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No. 2200110
You are nothing but a retarded whore unable to live without a dick in your mouth. You leech the money and energy from everyone around you. You should be sterilized you neglectful piece of shit. You can't take care of an animal, let alone a human being. Ok so happy your cat pissed on your textbook, it's not like you were using it anyway. I doubt you can even read. I think it's so funny that you brought it to class with and you couldn't even smell it until you got in the building. Do you know what that means? Your so nasty and disgusting it's hilarious. There is a reason you can't make friends. You pathetic piece of shit. How would you react if mom and dad cut you off? You refuse to hold down a job, you won't even do gig work. You just expect mom and your boyfriend to pay for anything and everything. Soon enough he'll get tired of providing for a skilless bpdchan. I hope he takes your cat's you don't deserve them. You won't boy them food, feed them, pay for their vet visits, you can't even clean the litter box. Your disgusting. Your nothing. You will always be nothing and unless you get brain damage and your personality makes a 180, you will never even realize how pathetic you are. You don't realize it do you? How much you cost our parents by refusing to work at your big age. Do you even realize how much money you could be saving by simply having a job? You don't because you are selfish and stupid. I always try to be nice to you because I know it must be tough to have pealed in the fifth grade, but really you shouldn't bite the hand that feeds. I hope your cat pisses on your bed next lmaoooo. You didn't care when it ruined everything in my closet, or moms, or all her rugs. The only reason we don't rehome it is because mom would feel bad if she made you sad. Really she always tells me how did she go so wrong with raising you, I always tell you that you made the conscious decision to be this way. You've always admired prostitutes and you've always been eager to please males. Never your parents, always a boyfriend. I will not support you when you are old. I will not support any children you shit out. I hope that when you realize how stunted your intelligence is, you remember me trying to help you. I want you to remember how you refused help.
No. 2201382
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>>2201378just woke up from my nap
(vain bitch) No. 2201532
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I'm really afraid I have bipolar or something because I just continually fuck shit up around me and the way I act cannot be explained. I always tell myself it's just because I'm an overthinker and have a lot of time to myself. Relationships are such a nightmare! They start and end within a few hours or days, I've only been able to date online because I'm so repulsive IRL apparently even though I think I'm just fine looking. I feel like everyone is lying to me. I feel really bad for blowing up at Alex but I just couldn't do it anymore, it just starts and stops and repeats and I hurt him and I feel like shit all the time and I swore that I'd start dating when I got to college but it isn't happening. What is wrong with me! I'm not normal, and I want to stick to something, but I have nothing tangible to stick to. Being online brings out the worst in me, I don't act like this in real life, I'm just anxious and sad and paranoid. I literally just want shit to be over and I hurt people in the process and it doesn't even work because they try and come back anyway. I have a boyfriend, I can't talk to you but I feel terrible for leaving you alone!!!!!!!!!!!
No. 2201661
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I can't understand a single sentence of your word salad. All you do is aggressively sperg online about shit no one cares about. You can't have a proper conversation with someone, not once have I ever seen you express gratitude or concern over another person. You're just another narrow-minded, self-centered autist and you think you're so funny but really you're just annoying. No wonder no one likes you and you have no friends. Get a clue and learn how to socialize because no one likes to be talked at. I'm not your mirror but you sure do try to treat me like one.
No. 2203690
I miss you guys. You weren't perfect, you were pretty freaking retarded, actually, but you were my friends. You watched me get abused and sat back, but now that I've been free for a while, I understand. You watched an angry unhinged man rampage and you felt bad and uncomfortable, you knew it wasn't right, you felt yourself getting hit by strays in the crossfire and you didn't know what to do. So you laughed things off awkwardly, you tried to believe that it was okay, your friends were okay, your friend isn't a cruel maniac and your other friend isn't suffering, it's all okay. It's okay. I understand. And you know what? If I think about it, every single one of you did stick up for me at some point. Not in grand heroic stands, but in small ways you cared for me and defied his tyranny. I love you all.
No. 2207421
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please help i've reconnected with a cute nerdy guy from high school and i feel like my feelings for him (romantic but mostly sexual) have resurfaced but i refuse to have sex with a man. I've fantasized about blowing him multiple times but i know that actually doing it would mean i gave pleasure to a man and that disgusts me. I need you to remind me how much men, especially nerds, suck. Don't tell me to go for it, i will just regret it, once i have sex with him i will forever have to live with that. Not having any experience means i can read y/n ff of my husbando and imagining having a good time, once i put that chubby, stinky, disgusting lumps of skin in my mouth i know i'll regret it and i will always think of that unpleasant feeling when masturbating.
No. 2210323
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>>2210318The first one was saying "there's more than two of us the autism stuff isn't even about me" or something like that, here are the two other deleted posts, shit collage cus I'm on mobile.
(do not reply to posts in gioyc) No. 2210339
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Another deleted schizo post. The Dr poopy skittles anon is in on it too??
No. 2210403
>>2210301I have absolutely no fucking idea why you linked my
>>2210276 post to the random schizo rant below it, or what the fuck went on in this thread after it, but you all should be heavily medicated. What the actual fuck.
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To confused anons, there are apparently two anons antagonizing a rape victim they know IRL. I've been screenshotting posts like crazy but this is the most relevant one. Their names are Rhiannon and Janelle and they're apparently very schizo and harrass newfag nonnie outside of her house over her telling her friends the moid they're obsessed with raped her.
No. 2212547
I don't understand how you see anything physically attractive or beautiful about me. I was botched, and will likely need surgeries and other treatments to counteract how my face has little to no definition now, how I have a weird slight double chin, the strain the misplaced fillers put on my jaw causing bulging neck tendons, the long philtrum (which i've always had but looks worse with my botched features), etc. I look like I have downs or something. I guess it's because you're still young and in your idealistic phase where you can accept or at least not mind ugliness in your partner and see them with rose colored glasses because you love something about them that's not their face. I'm sure you'll wake up someday and realize you weren't that attracted to me after all, and will wonder why you were ever with a 2 like me when you could've pulled an 8 or 10. You insist that you find me beautiful but to me it comes off as part of your virtue signaling personality where you feel you're supposed to say or think those things. I don't know how i'll ever afford the surgeries or corrective treatments without taking on a second job, and that in itself stands in the way of me marrying and moving in together with you and finally closing the gap with this LDR for good. Men have it so easy. You could be as ugly as I am and still pull 10s, but you're actually beautiful, making me feel like a beast in comparison. I love you so much and want this all to work out, but i'm on the verge of feeling hopeless and suicidal again thinking that i'll have to continue living like this because for women, looks determine their success more often than not. You keep saying "You can just quit your job and fly over here, i'm making enough money to take care of us both easily, I just want you here with me" which is sweet, but unrealistic. I wouldn't feel comfortable not making my own money, even though lots of other women would jump at the chance. I fear that you'll meet someone else more cunning and charming than I could ever be, and i'll lose you forever. So should I really just throw caution to the wind? If I weren't so ugly, then i'd be a different person. I remember myself before. I was at least a 7, not outstandingly beautiful, but average cute. The girls you tend to find attractive look like I used to. I wonder if you still see some of that in me.
No. 2212697
If I could go back to 2013 knowing what I know now, i'd have never gotten involved with your Nosferatu looking hobosexual ass. Wouldn't have spent all that money trying to keep you and buy your affections, I would've been done with you the second your ass had the gall to open your mouth to me and string me along like all the other girls who fell for your shit. I wasted so much money and time trying to make you happy, to make you love me more, when I should have loved myself the most. I wouldn't have gotten the irreversible fillers, I would've gone to a dentist who didn't fuck up my teeth, would've gotten braces sooner, would've opened a high interest savings account, and been so much better off for it today. A decade later I have almost nothing to show for it all but problems upon problems that I can't afford to solve. I hope you're miserable but I know that you probably have another victim somewhere. Wonder when they'll catch onto you posting the same 4 pics of you from when you were 18 lol. You bald ass raggedy bitch. Talking about how you hate humans when you're the one who fucked over anyone who showed you any kindness or leeway by continuing to be a useless POS bum who lovebombs other girls online while leeching from a partner. No, mania is not a fucking excuse. Some people are just fucking rotten and need to be under the ground like the compost filth that they are, at least then you'd serve a purpose, you fucking thumbdicked faggot of a pedo. You're one of the most disgusting scrotes i've ever had the displeasure to know.
No. 2215399
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Don't fucking talk to me anymore. I'm done trying so hard for you and you and you. It's obvious you don't want to be in my life so I no longer give a shit.
No. 2216279
I'm watching you post about your new clone girlfriend so your last clone ex girlfriend will read it and seethe. My god dude, you are 40 years old! I've never been so grateful to have noticed your behavior before even stepping a foot into it. I noped the fuck out of there despite being your youngest target. I have no idea how these women fall for it, you couldn't be more transparent and predictable. I still love to watch it. It's funny to see in the similar cycle, my name will come up in yearning as if we knew each other and you speak to others like we're lost soulmates. That is SO WEIRD. I will always just watch from the shadows with my popcorn and you will never hear from me again. I mean it's already been 6 years, when will you have enough longterm exes to forget us speaking? You are retarded. You're like if any alcoholic episode from Intervention was given millions of dollars. It was also really nice to see you get fired from the space program. It's satisfying to see it all from a very far distance. You will always miss me because I am exclusive, I have set standards and no amount of money works because I don't want anything. DEEESGUSTAAANG
Reposted to add: YOU ARE BALDING SO BADLY HAHAHAHA oh my god! You could have infinite money and there isn't a thing God could do to fix that. It bothers you to wits end, you go to extreme lengths to hide it and if anyone brings it up even jokingly, you sulk for a week. I hope you cry every time you wash your hair and more comes out into your hands. EWWWWWWWW! One of the things you kept saying, as if touching male hair isn't disgusting and makes me retch, is "how soft it is". It's soft because it's thinning, you foul beerpig. Good lord you are going to be the most liquishit-type dude in his 50s. You will die 25 years before your father did. You will die yellow and in pain because of your drinking. The amitriptyline will eventually do nothing except affect your heart further. You will die fat, ugly, alone, bald, and poor. Every women between our meeting will revel in your death similarly to how I will. You are a stinking, rotting tooth loser. This has to be my favorite irl TLC show by far. Keep it comin', man.
No. 2217368
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wouldn’t it suck if you were a rapist and a rape defender and everyone knew who you were and what you did to your victim? even when you were wearing masks because you got called out and have to hide your ugly faces?
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No. 2218837
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it’s begun
No. 2220822
>>2220263She sounds based and you sound jealous. Nothing wrong with a woman using a moid as a workhorse so she can do nothing all day. That's their intended purpose.
You should aim to emulate her instead of being a pathetic hard working pick me.
(vain bitch) No. 2221394
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janelle wilkins no one needs to lie about you. you and your rapist boyfriend are openly posting degenerate shit on instagram. am i supposed to pretend someone that is into their boyfriend dressing up as a dog and doing that shit in bed isn’t beastiality? is that why you’re dating a man who rapes innocent little virgins? because he was the only person degenerate enough to tolerate you? you know you would freak out if someone forced you to lose your virginity while you were crying and whimpering and trying to get him to stop. you would never be okay with that, so why are you okay with it happening to me? why does a woman in her mid thirties get to smugly talk about how she benefits from a man abusing me when i was twenty and getting it out of his system so he could be whatever you want to claim that five foot tall deadbeat is as a partner to you now? what kind of mental illness is that? why do you think you can call me a liar and then benefit from him needing to treat you well or you’ll confirm my story? do you not understand that everything you have is built off of my corpse? i never agreed to lay my life down for you people. my life is mine. my body is mine. you do not get to rob it and then benefit from that robbery forever after. i’m not a punching bag a stress ball or a flesh light. i am a person.
No. 2221666
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Stoners should be stoned. Your opinion does not matter hippie
No. 2222268
>>2210408You mixed up multiple people. The @jessi_rihanna, @poopyskittles, and @drsweety303 accounts were, indeed, burner accounts made initially with the sole intent of harassing a single woman. The entire story is extremely convoluted but the proof I received were enough. There is a reason those three accounts have never been attributed to a single living person in spite of their popularity and followings, and had you followed them or seen many of their often quickly deleted tweets with pictures or screenshots of their browsers, they ran their accounts from virtual machines and only used messaging chats like signal. Many of the posts you saw were not hers and were just being pinned on her. I know it's easy to see a lot of this and just throw it all into a melting pot, but I have had conversations at length with the purported schizo and she was telling the truth. The entire debacle is very sad and disturbing actually, but it all originates from one man who gathered some extremely like-minded, sociopathic online friends. A ton of posts were wrongfully attributed to her, and the guy who created the JR account posts here as well, and surely doesn't intend to stop. The woman, who is by all accounts telling the truth, has had many parody posts made deliberately mocking her situation. I still talk to her, albeit not frequently, but she does not post here about her situation anymore at all and a scroll through the last couple threads and a brief message correspondance confirmed this to me personally. Her explanation of the sequence of events that led to her finding out she was genuinely stalked, entirely unbeknownst to her for multiple years, definitely fragmented her for awhile I believe but she is doing much better especially now that she has the missing pieces of what happened. The whole thing is nauseating. I don't really know how to end this rant except to say that there are more posts mocking and parodying her than there are posts she's actually made. I am not her keeper (or her speaking in third person, if any of the resident schizobaiters try to accuse me of that) but in passing I saw so much inaccuracy that I couldn't help myself. That woman is not arguing with any of these confusing spergs. She is absolutely a
victim and as an advocate I suppose I felt the need to defend in her absence. It isn't my story to explain and all of this is likely meaningless to you or anyone in passing, but I work in opsec and I have seen a few cases like hers before and it's a wonder anyone who has been violated in such a way can go on after a man has dedicated years and many hours to hurting them. That's all I have to say and sorry for replying.
(vain bitch) No. 2223111
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your faithfulness is undeniably a bit romantic
No. 2223120
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My mom was wrong, all her "whorish" sisters ended up marrying rich dudes and living lavishly and now travel around the world while her righetous, save-myself-for-marriage self will likely work until her death whilst living in a shitty house because she didnt want to be a golddigger. And she hammered that mentality into my brain since I can remember. Growing up I was grateful she never forced me or even recommended sticking to any feminine beauty ideal other than basic hygiene and grooming, but in perspective she wanted be to remain as different as I humanly could from her more feisty sisters who slept around, this is why she lost her shit when my younger sisters were into fashion and makeup and dates and bullied them not to be "whores" and stick to working/studying. Even the most sucessful self-made women in my family dont live even a fraction of the luxury my gold diggers aunts have, its so fucking depressing
No. 2223389
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>>2223377my leo is in venus i like buying things for people
(vain bitch) No. 2224387
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You are a human trash bin
No. 2225487
You're such a dumb fucking asshole and I cannot believe I still hung out with you and wasted my breath on the psychopaths you call "friends" and make excuses for. You call your "best friend" from school dumb because she's really monotone and quiet. You let her idiot boyfriend move into your house that you treat like a cult compound, then you were shocked when you could barely kick him out without grief from your mom when he started leeching. You dated a nasty bitch who hated you SOMEHOW, for 9 fucking years, you never could tell that she was awful, she tried to isolate you from family/friends, then yeah she cheated on you and you now waste your time stalking her reddit page. Your new girlfriend is infinitely fucking worse. Sure, she has friends and a social life, she's outdoorsy and screams at men! She's so cool! She won't isolate you right? No, she claimed your fuckin house as hers, moved her damn family in, and her sister is just as catty and horrible as her. I am so utterly sick of their bipolar nonsense - one day they're all nice to you and talking about how much they love someone, and then the next they're talking about how lame and stupid and shitty someone is, how much they hate people's boyfriends or girlfriends, and endless dramatic shit. Your inability to filter out drama and spinelessness when it comes up is disgusting to me. You have a chain of people who have all come to the same conclusion: they're done with the shit-talking gossip group, they have some meltdown ONE TIME because one of the two girls goes after them, and then they're excommunicated because your bitch girlfriend stops liking them and blocks them everywhere. I cannot believe you're this fucking spineless.
No. 2226117
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this could be us kicking his ass but you’d rather be schizophrenic
No. 2226130
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I hate driving. Everyone is an asshole and doesn't respect they are driving two tonne death machines
No. 2226149
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>>2199864I'm a hobbyist photographer, and while I think my stuff is pretty good, it's hard to get recognized for it among people that aren't peers. Idgaf about Instagram numbers, but it's odd, I feel like there should be more to the presentation of my work, than me just uploading it online for my friends.
No. 2226531
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You won’t know how much you fucked up until it’s too late. You may forget about me and what you did but one day you will wake up and realize that the emptiness you have been running from all your life is a gaping chasm now. And the trite interactions and distractions you have been using to fill that void won’t be enough anymore. In that moment you will become painfully aware how there is nothing left for you, and everything in the past that could have filled the void you yourself pushed away. You will always be miserable. You will not know happiness. You only have yourself in the end. And I cannot wait for that moment to come
No. 2226534
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i can’t wait to see my friends again later this week we always have such a good time together. it was so fun partying with some of them this weekend and i’m so happy about all the different plans i have this next month. it’ll be so fun on halloween and this weekend and then another party the next weekend then friendsgiving and holiday stuff. yay!!
No. 2226662
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I left my ex who was a year older than me for a man who is 9 years younger and I have no regrets KEK I’ll never feel bad for this decision or for fucking younger men. The seethe from losers sustains me.(vain bitch)
No. 2226724
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Shut up already
No. 2226809
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I don't know about you, but I don't invest in any energy at all into creating conspiracies or armchair diagnostics about everyone I've ever encountered and pretending they're all unhappy or something. Being vain and annoying is something I've just accepted as the human condition.
No. 2227584
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You and me, alwaaaays foreverrrrr
No. 2228924
You always complain about people being inauthentic and ascribe that to liberalism or being neurotypical. Coupled with this complaint is telling people that you're always trying to be more authentic even if people react negatively to it, whatever the fuck that means, and say that your blunt nature is because you're neurotypical. You are once again, for like the thousandth time, complaining about how this is a personal and collective culture of avoidance. Oh, how are we supposed to do the work if we aren't authentic, if we don't have tough conversations? Can you be any more transparent, you stupid bitch? I know what you're doing. Here's the deal: I think you are the most inauthentic, fake person I have ever met. You are not autistic. It's just a convenient excuse for your incredibly shitty behavior. Your unempathetic ass goes around calling yourself an empath. That's psychotic considering you're the most self-centered bitch I've ever had the misfortune of meeting. That's why I'm avoiding you - because nothing good will come from interacting with you. Yes, it's unfortunate, but you are a liar and a snake. I think you like smelling your own farts and get off on tricking people into thinking you're so deep and intellectual. You're a liar. Stop marketing yourself as a spiritual guide. You act like you're above the religious household you left, but this pseudoscientific woowoo garbage, lying to people and saying you have dreams about deities and see your ancestors and have psychic visions - ? You're adjacent to religious nutjobs, not separated from them. Stop abusing your twink boyfriend and stop stealing spices from the grocery store you stupid bitch. And stop acting like you give a shit about genocide, you barely can feign interest for people that actually exist in your community, you selfish freak. Think about it - you want me to say this to your face? Because the cat's going to be out of the bag if you really coax me into saying exactly what I want to say. You don't know what you ask for when you ask people to talk about difficult things. You seem to think that the reason people don't do this kind of emotional work with you is the other person's error. No, it's intentional. Nobody with any self respect would try and forge a bond with a self-obsessed liar like you. Especially after you've already thoroughly lied to them by embellishing your own personality. I would be a fool to even consider giving you another chance in hell.
No. 2229532
I stopped contacting you because you are exhausting. You scream when you speak, you cry at the drop of a hat, you are a grown woman with two grown sons and you still act like this. Of course your son treats your pickme ass like shit, you're a woman too you retard, it's a miracle the other one is normal with how insane you are. It's not normal to order a sharing platter with other people and then season the food on the platter to your preference without asking, that's why nobody wants to share with you, retard. It's not normal to have hysterics in the bathroom because the bus driver didn't say hello. There's no mystery here, you drive others away. You clearly have several deeply rooted mental health issues and it's great that you're working on them but editing yourself on Tiktok to look like a blurry 16 year old and getting into fights with other mentally ill retards online isn't exactly helping you address your issues. I've met less exhausting and more emotionally mature toddlers. I can see why your husband snapped and I hope you leave his drunken retarded ass behind but I know you won't, and that makes me worry, but there's nothing I can do to make you see sense, so I might as well stop speaking to you altogether before you treat me to another 3+ hour rant about how your in laws are mean and ugly and stinky and wear old fashioned clothes and that's why your perfect moid husband beat you and accused you of cheating. I'd give you a pass if it only happened once, but it hasn't, and I'm not equipped to deal with that. Fun get togethers should not involve unannounced therapy sessions being screamed out at the top of your lungs in a public place while you comment on other customers' clothes, children, toilet visits and food in a similar tone. Shut the fuck up for once in your fucking life and see if that helps you brain switch on.
I'm not here to play messenger to your other friends either. Speak to him yourself about how annoying he is or shut up and bear it. I'm not a therapist. You don't get to decide what I want for myself, you don't get to poke fun at my insecurities and laugh at me then cry when your retarded sped brain misunderstands something I said. Bitch, you were unbearable back then and I stuck with you, that's how you fucking treat me? If you didn't have the emotional skills of a brick I'd have left you high and dry long ago. I've had good times with you but a lot of it felt like babysitting. I'm done now. Until you can act appropriately with your friends in a public setting, I am fucking done. I wish you all the best but holy shit do you need help.
No. 2230100
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I think it's funny that white racists will sperg that black people bad because something something loud on subways and public acrobatics in Japan, while pretending not to see the evil shit they do the moment they have free reign in any part of the world. It's also funny that it's comfortable for some anons to throw women of other races under the bus for cheap laughs, but the moment things go south, "Woah! Woah! Too depressing, don't bring that up!". Absolute clown world shit.
No. 2230616
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Self comparisons to Kfed… Rose… Papi from the proud family… meanwhile, the disgusting invalid was really just
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the more anons complain about dick the more i feel like talking about it. i'm going to start horny posting more often now.(vain bitch)
No. 2232485
>>2231206Unless anon was confirmed moid I don't see why they should be redtexted in this thread
I will never understand mods