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No. 2245927

What is the 4B movement?
>4B (or "Four Nos") is a feminist movement which is purported to have originated in South Korea in 2019. Its proponents refuse to date men, get married, have sex with men, or have children.
"Female separatism" is another term that could describe this in English.
Discuss ways women can support themselves and other women while decentering and ignoring men in their own lives. Some starter questions:
>Are you 4B?
>Have you talked to any women in your life about going 4B?
>Do you plan on moving in with women instead of trying to split cost of living with a boyfriend?

No. 2245938

>Men hate us. There's no point in catering to them. They're gonna hate us anyway.

No. 2245961

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>>2245938
Comments on vidrel

No. 2245969

>>2245927
I'm glad that more women are becoming celibate, although I'm not sure how it took this long. It is SO easy to avoid engaging with males and there are no benefits to being acquainted with them.

No. 2245979

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Korea and China are at 6b. Also you guys have known about the 4b movement all year but waited until the nightmare scenario to happen to finally come to terms with the fact that your racist Nigel is also a sexist. You bitches are a joke and it’s why I laugh when you guys say this is a feminist board. how!?(ban evasion)

No. 2245982

>>2245961
This feels so good to see. I'm hoping this is what peaks women to troons as well. No more catering and coddling moids for any reason. Western 4B now.

No. 2245984

You guys are not leaving your scrotes I’ve been in g(ban evasion)

No. 2245992

Ignore the retarded baiters. Western 4B now.

No. 2246010

Sadly, most straight women will talk big shit about hating men but still have sex with men, marry them, have children with them, look the other way when they're being sexist etc. because either their Nigel is One Of The Good Ones or they're already spiraling down the radfem to tradfem pipeline. And that said, after seeing that 70% of white women voted for Trump in certain states I'm genuinely blackpilling so fucking hard realizing that so many women are domesticated and brainwashed to the point theyh would submit our rights just like that. I hope women of the future generations keep becoming more and more liberal and keep taking more leading positions at grassroots level to climb up and form meaningful connections with other women, something that has previously been sabotaged by childbearing concern for men.

No. 2246016

>>2246010
This thread is for the other 30%! We are stronger together than we are divided!

No. 2246019

>>2245984
>>2245979
>you guys
>you bitches
are you including yourself in your retarded generalization? because this might come as a shock to you but there are more than 5 people on lolcow who again (big shock, I know) have extremely different beliefs and lives from each other

No. 2246030

>celibate and a homebody to begin with
Pretty easy for me. It'd be nice if "celibate" became more of a mainstream label tbh.

No. 2246032

why not call it celibacy instead of 4b?

No. 2246036

>>2246032
Tbf sex with women would still be allowed.

No. 2246039

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>>2245979
reposting from another thread, I honestly believe a lot of stuff the about 5b/6b coming out of korea is made up at this point, it's one thing to remain celibate(that's not outlandish), but seeing claims about how they don't buy or use products from male companies or even interact with men just feel made up, cause unless you live in a women's commune you will have to deal with men if you work or want to interact with your family and I swear this is not racebait (I'm asian myself) but asian people in general can be quite superficial and have an obsession with aesthetics and this feels like just an extension of that, an aesthetic of radicalism, but nothing genuine

No. 2246043

>>2246039
Tbf I suppose it could work if you're a NEET kek

No. 2246069

praying with all my heart that it gets more normalized in south asian countries because we really need it

No. 2246077

Most women won't do shit. Feminism is only for "alpha women" who are the top 5-10% specimens of the female population. The rest are slave NPCs.

No. 2246109

>>2246077

So? Save yourself then. It's good to build a support community and offer help to those women who search for it. Offer a solution to those who need it. Even if all women can't be saved, even if it is 10% of women - it is something because you know you are not alone in your decision.

For all those using 4B as some kind of a revenge against moids - you will fail because you are putting the moid in the centre again. If you are doing it for your own wellbeing - then good.

No. 2246113

I've been 4B my whole life without even thinking about it. I'm glad there's a term for it now and that more women are joining in. I hope the number keeps growing

No. 2246119

>>2245927
>Its proponents refuse to date men, get married, have sex with men, or have children.
I've been doing this my whole life, not specifically for feminist reasons but because men are too fucking ugly and annoying to risk an unwanted pregnancy and STDs but no orgasm. Just straight up balding in their 20s and bright yellow chain smoker teeth. I'll keep ignoring them.

No. 2246123

>>2246039
It can work. I'm in compsci and have mostly male classmates and three male lecturers. I haven't spoken a word to any of them yet (In fact, they avoid me. Thank god) and if I do, it'll only be college related so whatever. Only males I interact with are my dad and faggot brother. It can't be helped. But I never speak to my male cousins or uncles. Even at shops, I go to the self checkout, or stand in the queue where there is a female cashier. I mostly shop online though.

No. 2246150

>>2246113
Same here. Honestly, it's more comfortable for me due to me being attracted with women throughout my life. I just hope this movement will be more well-known

No. 2246168

>>2246150
>>2246113
I mean I've actually practiced it unintentionally, I've had a few relationships that never worked out but I live with my brother because neither of us can afford to live on our own, I'm curious how 4b deals with the fact that many koreans are forced to move with their parents due to the economy

No. 2246178

>>2246168
I do wonder about the issue of family. I like them too much to cut them out.

No. 2246187

>>2245979
My exact thoughts lol. I support 4B and all, but this happening due to election day screams New Years resolutions lmao.

No. 2246197

>>2246178
My point wasn't kist about family, I just really wonder how anyone can afford to live on their own and the korean economy and housing crisis is even worse than the west, it made me think a lot of this is just larping

No. 2246214

>>2246168
It's crazy how much home ownership impacts your view on men and relationships. In my country, most young people pin all their hopes of buying property to splitting costs with a partner, it seems completely impossible otherwise. So for women, a man is a golden opportunity and their best chance at financial security.

But for me, because I own my apartment, men only represent massive risk to both my finances and my quality of life. Being in a relationship that progresses to living together or combining finances or having kids could absolutely destroy the security I have (whether it's because of divorce, rising expenses, needing to upgrade to a bigger home, the guy turning into a financial liability due to secret gambling or drugs or something). I'd like to say my 4B lifestyle is purely for feminist reasons but a lot of it is just practical materialism where I'd rather die than split assets with a man who could take half or fuck it up.

No. 2246222

I am a mom who married young and threw away my career goals to start a family with a scrote for "romance". I fell for the psyop and I tell all the younger women or women my age I run into NOT to have children, marry or even move in with a scrote. They are evil and there are no exceptions only variations of slightly less evil ones… It is too late for me, I know, I got divorced, domestically abused. I did everything for him and walked away with nothing. Barely survived and demonized for not putting up with his shit

No. 2246231

>>2246214
In my country almost everyone has to live with their parents, even though that wasn't really a thing a generation ago, it's just the economy and inflation just got really fucking bad

No. 2246255

I've always known that I would be 4b even if I didn't know the term. I've always been a man hater and I only tolerated my female friends male friends. I've known since I was a little girl that I would never tie myself to a male. I've always held childfree and antinatalist sentiments. If I ever felt the urge to care for a child I'd definitely open my home to daughters only. I want to try to transition to 6b4t, and I'm pretty good at not supporting misogynistic media. I hope 4b gets more popular with young women, and hopefully more of us start to turn our backs away from males entirely. I cannot help any of the women in my life, at this point, the only woman I can look out for is myself. All my female family members are pathetically tied to shitty males via children and one-sided emotional bonds. All I can do is guarantee my safety, happiness, and well-being. If any of you have young women or girls in your life, please try and steer them towards chosing themselves and 4b over male approval and misogyny.

No. 2246262

>>2246222
Sorry you had to go through all of this. I hope you're doing better now.

No. 2246268

Ngl I don't have much faith in western women to pull of 4b because South Korea's virulent misogyny is on a whole different level. It does disillusion a lot of women to the myth of male chivalry and supposed gender equality - and even still in Korea, a lot of women date and marry.
But small degrees of separatism is always possible - centering your bonds with other women, supporting other women, reading feminist texts for conscious-raising. The thing is, this takes community to do. Individual actions won't mean much without scale.
The key is also to prioritize other feminist women instead of just any woman. Many women won't go 4b no matter how bad it gets, and some will use 4b and other feminist women as free resources while they're waiting for their nigels. It's hard because we're working against both men and large numbers of women.

No. 2246285

>>2246222
I respect you for having the guts to say that I feel like it's taboo but I think you are just awake. It takes a lot of self awareness and humility to not just be a crab in a bucket. Too many women act that way and give others bad advice and try to clip young women's wings. Or shout them down and tell them to grow up and deal with oppression (try to bring up any issues with the gynecology field around a gen x woman and she will scream until she's red in the face that you are a stupid little girl and need to just deal with it or even wish cancer on you and mock you)

No. 2246858

>>2246222
Even "good" marriages seem so tinged with resentment if you just scratch the surface. It almost feels like a good marriage is one where the wife is financially cared for but has to, throughout the marriage, deal with being emotionally neglected, betrayed, lied to, deceived re; their partner's sexual predilections and habits, and sometimes cheated on. That's why so many of these women cope through religions that teach them to be pathologically selfless and externally forgiving and humble; because underneath that self-imposed indoctrination lies a ton of bitterness, but religious women are terrified of doing or saying anything that might make them seem feminist, because feminists are equivalent to witches (old, decrepit, infertile, mean-spirited, grotesque, anti-life, evil) in their worldview

No. 2246872

>>2246268
I don't think that 4B will do well in the West. Most of South Korean women are atheist and most of American women are Christian and religion is the first brainwashing tool that teaches girls to hate themselves and worship men.

No. 2246935

>>2245927
I think we should focus even more so on solidarity among women irl. The US election is just another great example why we can't rely on moids in any way and should look out for eachother first and foremost, instead of wasting our energy and altruism on moids.

No. 2246973

>>2246935
Now that's pretty impossible, just look at this thread, or any social media, or anywhere really.

No. 2246995

>>2246858
Sorry for blogposting, but I am religious (catholic) but I have never been in relationship with a man. I have met only one truly upstanding, selfless, caring and religious man (my dad) in my life, but that is it. Jesus recommended being celibate for a good reason, most men are way too deep in their sin, but tbf I met plenty of selfless extremely caring women.

No. 2246999

>>2246995
Your religion is only made to punch women down and keep them at home to raise their family. You'll never find a sane catholic man.(infighting)

No. 2247030

Seeing a lot of 4B posts but I don't have confidence that these people will go through with it tbh. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt so. 3DPD forever

No. 2247034

>>2246268
>South Korea's virulent misogyny is on a whole different level. It does disillusion a lot of women to the myth of male chivalry and supposed gender equality
This. Honestly, the ideal of "gender equality" does more to hold western women back than anything. It obfuscates the truth about men: that male violence is biological and misogyny is a universal male value. Men feel no kinship towards women, but we project our own good will onto them. And they're never going to change. The least we can do is let them wallow in their own filth all by their lonesome.

No. 2247037

>>2246999
Nta but so is 4b only a thing for atheist women? It's not going to get that large, then.

No. 2247040

I'm naturally 4B by being born into a muslim family and refusing to get married, but at this rate I'll be a virgin for life. Honestly, very few women can handle being 4B and we're better off discussing the best way to financially take care of ourselves.

No. 2247045

>>2246999
>Your religion is only made to punch women down
Most catholics in first centuries were women, it used to be an egalitarian religion, as Jesus said sexes are equal. Paul the murdered went against Jesus's teachings and because men are sinful that's the version taught by catholic priests nowadays. Women in middle ages in Europe had way, way better position than in Ancient Greece for example, in part thanks to christianity.
>You'll never find a sane catholic man.
Will you find a sane man in general? Men are more sinful and cunning than women in general. 4B all the way tbh.

No. 2247046

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>we’re going 4B even though we all had this time to do so and called other women retards and femcels for saying to separate from men
This is never going to happen, most women don’t like each other and are very happy and content on maintaining that status quo. They’re too addicted to males, defend them tirelessly and the western 4B women (who pale in comparison to the real ones - the Korean women who actually curated it and had their ideas taken and mashed up into pieces from greedy materialistic western feminists only addicted to identities, titles and the internet) are not real 4B, they are only angry and trying to play power plays with men just like how female hetties get pissy in their little squabbles with their retard nigel and start acting passive aggressive to them (but oh no no don’t you dare ever begin to hate him), not because they actually care what happens to women. Most women don’t care what happens to other women at all and even if it seems like they do and they’re the ones behind the organization and upkeep of social and civil movements and institutions it’s inly to be seen as likeable, agreeable and for the community, if they really cared about women we wouldn’t be in this predicament because women finally grew up and put their big britches on. Community and togetherness is the death of women and when people want community, women always have to pick up the pieces and keep things together into one neat shit pile even for other women. You really only have yourself and other very few women not as a community but as people to speak to and share ideas and read their ideas, most women here are fully hypocrites and it’s funny they made this thread even though they are completely two-faced and have called every woman for telling them to stop fucking scrotes “ugly” and “can’t get a man” as if that was the point we were making. Good luck trying to pull women away from their little nigel blankie they will placate themselves with until apocalyptic times. Fuck you, fuck feminism, and most importantly fuck scrotes. None of you are genuine, none of you are real, none of you ever held these beliefs and ever thought about it for a long time, most if not a good majority of women will never be 4B/separatist and hell even be a feminist who actually actively cares about women instead of trying to cater to men and the world and fight to be the most agreeable and liked women of the masses. This was never to be liked, approved, I’m not trying to be liked or validated for the shit I say I just want women to stop being hard headed retards and actually listen to my thoughts even if they seem negative. If a woman starts calling me every cope out insult in the book like “antisocial reject” or “NEET” for properly and realistically speaking about the dynamics between men and women then I know for a fact I can’t like you or talk to you. Most women don’t give a shit about you, are not your friend, and hell won’t even give you the day to listen to you and love patronizing you as if you’re some little girl while their brains are ironically still stuck in girlhood. I hate everything and everything is doomed beyond words

No. 2247050

>>2246999
Catholicism is literally retarded and they only honor the Virgin Mary because she didn't have to be a whore to give birth to Jesus. And obviously it was written in the Bible that she so totes wants to fulfill God's mission. Bear in mind she was supposed to be 14 in the Immaculate conception, of course scrotes would write her that way. She's like the perfect gracious forced birth rape victim.
>>2246995
Only converts are this devout. If you were Catholic from birth and made to endure your entire schooling from preschool to university under Catholic tutelage you would know intimately what a load of horseshit it is. Do you even know how to pray the rosary without a guide? Drop and give me hail holy queen right now no bullshit, bet you don't even have it memorized

No. 2247053

>>2247045
To add to this, most people preaching and leading the masses were women as well (historically)… fuck Paul for murdering them and going against Chirst's teachings.

No. 2247054

i will go 4b if my boyfriend and i ever split up. we are young, so it is likely, but he is the loveliest man i have ever met (all the men in my life were abusive be it to me or other family members or friends, only had one ex who was an abusive cheater etc. i say this for context) and i know its a rarity and i dont trust that i could find another like him.

i think some women may fear going 4b if they have jobs they cannot support themselves with. i worry because i am an english major but i would never rely on a man. i think im lucky because if i help care for my mother she may house me forever. i guess thatd be the only way, if i do happen to struggle

No. 2247066

>>2247050
I was born and raised in catholic country, I don't think I was taught once about the virtue of Christ and the point of his teachings, we were only taught dozens of different long prayers we had to memorize or some dumb schizo ramblings unrelated to Christ tbh. It actually made me atheist at some point until I read the New Testament in its entirety and read up on historical context behind it.

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>>2247037
nta but 6B4T does advocate for escaping religion as one of the T's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6B4T_movement), but I'm not sure if that is actually being done on a large scale, especially given picrel where despite a trend in non-religious people, religious women (46.9%) far outnumber religious men (26.2%) in SK

No. 2247070

>>2247046
Honestly true. Most women are beholden to men, even the picky ones have their type of strange. It’s always odd to see a highly selective female go for a 2/10 brocoli-haired bespectacled weirdo nerd who bullies and teases her “with limits”, and still hates her fundamentally. But that is the harsh t, women don’t want to fight but just force men to love and keep them only.

No. 2247077

>>2246995
Anon are you joking? You sound brainwashed.
> Jesus recommended being celibate for a good reason
> Jesus
Your life is being led by a “man” anyway

No. 2247078

>>2247034
Males are in-born redpill by nature. Sexism starts on the playground, not during high school dating years or in adulthood.

No. 2247081

>>2247070
>But that is the harsh t, women don’t want to fight but just force men to love and keep them only
That is basically feminism at its core, you’re so right kek

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No. 2247093

>>2247077
It is being led by a God and my own way of thinking. I think you anons are making a mistake when you berate religious women and try to exclude them from 4B, especially from a religion as comparatively tame and egalitarian as catholicism. Lots of feminists in SK are christian too. Not everyone has to have the same reason for picking celibacy, for many women religious feelings could prove more powerful than hate on half of the world's population. Logically I know men are sinful and evil, but there needs to be a feeling behind this too to be fully effective.

No. 2247096

>female solidarity
Lol, lmao even.
This thread couldn't go more than a couple of posts before calling women out as retards and whores that don't deserve sympathy. Any movement will end up bogged down into superiority complex and moral competition.

No. 2247098

>>2247081
Yes, if you notice most feminist women they just boil down to gender equality, cannot quote dworkin, and most imporant issues are dismissing slut shaming and making sure older women are considered hot and objectified too. The NLOG ones in the feminist movement are just playing tomboy and doing skills, all performance for men in hope to have stuff in common with them, get attention and be seen as “more human”, and loved. The endgoal of most feminism is to get men to see them as “more human and lovable”, not hating and dissecting male nature.

No. 2247116

>>2247093
NTA but if you are religious, you cannot be a feminist. religion is made by men for men.

No. 2247124

>>2246010
Maybe the bit about women being solipsistic and lacking nuance are true. Everytime a female experiences lmale kindness” notice how she switches back from her sulking “hate men” phase to liking them and being non-celibate again. Also the fact low iq women who managed to tie down a “soulmate” or compliant effeminate cuck think because her story turned out good, this must be the experience for every other woman and no one can contradict her. And women who got abused or have different path are doing something wrong. So antifeminist for “soulmate fantasy”. That is bullshit. One’s self-experiences don’t dictate for you to try and write all women’s conditions that way. Maybe that’s why women shouldn’t make laws. Or policies. Oop.

No. 2247126

>>2247078
AYRT, and totally. I work around little kids and the difference in behavior between the boys and girls is absolute doompill material.
>>2247070
>women don’t want to fight but just force men to love and keep them only
If there's anything I'd like to accomplish in my life, it's to disabuse as many women as possible of the "I can fix him" complex and the myth of romantic love as a whole. It's one of the strongest mental blocks holding women back.

No. 2247149

>>2247093
Why are you even posting on LC? As an ex-catholic I don't understand why anyone practicing this religion would even bother posting here kek

No. 2247159

>>2247093
Kind of funny that celibacy is the goal but if you do it wrong it doesn't count.

No. 2247162

>>2247098
Yeah, pretty much, all to be liked and appreciated by men and they’ll allow the mentally deranged disgusting ones (trannies) into our spaces and let them destroy it because tehee~ just one of the gworls!! God I fucking hate these people

No. 2247168

IMO the biggest obstacle of the 4B movement in the U.S. isn’t religious programming, but rather leftist culture. Conservatives / the right are like wolves, upfront about their contempt for women. But liberals / the left are like foxes, repacking their desire for women’s servitude under a progressive veneer.

It isn’t uncommon for women who grow up in religious backgrounds to leave, especially as they wise up. However, I live in a very progressive, urban area with a lot of educated professionals - the type of blue stronghold that’s exactly what the right imagines when they think of out of touch urban elites. The amount of women I know irl who have drunk the “Hookup culture is empowering! Sex work is empowering! Open relationships are empowering!” Kool-Aid is enough to make one throw their hands in despair. Women are so brainwashed so crave male validation to the extent that desiring male validation is rebranded as empowerment. Did Millennials and Gen Z learn nothing from 2nd wave feminists? I thought the takeaway of the free love movement and the sexual revolution was that women becoming more sexually available benefitted men more than women.

No. 2247173

>>2247116
I mean, catholicism has been created by a God, and not a man. I consider myself feminist and I have been 4B my whole life. I think it should be encouraged for women to join 4B movement no matter the reason, be it financial security like some anons ITT or religious reasons. We need to stick to this together instead of infighting.

No. 2247195

Yeah this 4B movement only worked in Korea and China not because women collectively love each other and “support sistas” and want to be girlboss geniuses bs BUT because men gone full mask off there and refuse to even use the “love and romance soulmate” lies to trick women into marrying them anymore.

These countries patriarchy are just a few hairs away from becoming Afghanistan, honestly. Most women can delude themselves and tolerate if the moids breadcrumb them and mention something about “love” every now and then, but the korean and chinese moids don’t even do that, they just straight up robotically demand and try to enact subjugation from those women, so the true male nature is plain to see.

Sometimes knowing how bad and redpill male mindset and natural behaviour is can cause women to collectively band together and try to push back against patriarchy. You have to show and prove the redpill techniques and manosphere exposes to female masses. But tradthots and altright porn stars, prostitutes see the redpill handbook crap and still like it even more, really low iq cuckqueans.

No. 2247197

>>2247149
I like talking to other women. I have been here for about 9 years at this point, at lowest points of my life nonnas helped me a lot. I remember the OG man hate threads too (to this day idk why they were banned by the self-harm admin), those were great and led to me becoming more conscious of my beliefs.

No. 2247199

>>2247168
>IMO the biggest obstacle of the 4B movement in the U.S. isn’t religious programming, but rather leftist culture.
Agreed. And what's worse is that young girls are being groomed from a young age to crave internet validation from men by becoming egirls. OnlyFans is the most common side hustle for women struggling due to the realities of late stage capitalism. It's hard to do any kind of separatist movement when you rely on men for your sense of self as well as your income. But how I see it is that not every woman has to, but every woman that can should. Birth rates are already down and it only takes a trickle in the bucket imo for the effects to become visible. ESPECIALLY in terms of so called "male loneliness".

No. 2247209

>>2247093
I don't get why it has to be anti-religion tbh. It still achieves the same outcome if you are celibate for religious reasons. Just don't go full on tradthot in a few years.

No. 2247216

>>2247209
It makes Nonna feel stronger to say they're low iq and not in line with the movement. It's only for cool kids, that's how these things get popular, right?

No. 2247233

>>2247093
I’m sorry but you sound so cartoonish. Maybe I watch too many religious horror movies KEK

No. 2247238

>>2245969
Non stop propaganda from birth

No. 2247239

>>2247209
>I don't get why it has to be anti-religion tbh
Because every single religion is a construct invented by men to enforce social control over women, and they are all fundamentally misogynistic. If you're celibate for religious purposes, you aren't 4B, you're just a religious celibate. 4B is explicitly a rejection of men for the purpose of female safety and liberation.

No. 2247241

>>2247209
Like anon said religion is made by men for men, so this movement surely doesn’t make sense for you ??

No. 2247248

>>2247241
>>2247239
Okay, so this movement is basically dead in any nonathiest state as soon as it was considered. What's the point of this thread, other than larping?

No. 2247255

Is it possible for me to be 4B if I am married? I don't ever bring my husband along with me anywhere, I never introduce him to women, me and him work together at our business, but I essentially don't share a social life with him whatsoever. Is it hypocritical to try and encourage 4B? I never speak about him unless asked. Would it be more beneficial to lie? I also want to know what types of volunteer organizations may make it likely to come into contact with other like-minded women. Thank you.

No. 2247258

>>2247255
Did you even read the thread description?

No. 2247259

>>2247209
The majority of major religions were created to benefit men, did you not post earlier about how "sinful" Catholic moids are? They make the rules to control their women and do whatever they want. Your celibacy for god is not the same as women doing it to escape the patriarchy.

No. 2247260

>>2247255
No. Obviously not. Nonna wtf

No. 2247263

>>2247248
>What's the point of this thread, other than larping?
Now you just sound mad because nobody else here is using skydaddy for the purpose of being single.

No. 2247265

>>2247255
The very definition of 4B includes not dating or marrying men, so no, but 4B is only one example of a way you can practice female separatism. "Perfect" separatism is achievable for a select few. Other women will reasonably look at you funny if you preach 4B and not practice it, but it would make sense if you practice other things like building community bonds with other women and encourage other women to prioritize more women in their lives.

No. 2247267

>>2247258
Duh, I've been aware of the 4B movement for a while. However, I want to spread awareness of it because I feel like it's best option for women as a whole. I volunteer and contribute to the community around me and I feel like even at outsider aligning with these values is better than nothing.

No. 2247269

>>2247248
>Okay, so this movement is basically dead in any nonathiest[sic] state
Yeah, but because women raised in religious environments are victims of some of the most thorough scrotoid brainwashing ever devised by "people" with g-spots up their assholes. Not because the meanie feminazis are alienating them.

No. 2247272

>>2247255
No, but you can still support the movement. We can't afford to dilute the definition for inclusion. But you are still valuable if you are willing to value other women.

No. 2247276

>>2247259
I am celibate because I think all men are sinful and gross, my belief in God is only a part of my choice. It's not just catholic men who are misguided and gross, every male is. They literally spoiled catholicism from first centuries. First catholic masses were attended and led by women until men discovered it could be used as a powerful tool to futher their agenda. I am a feminist and supported women in need plenty, stayed celibate in life.

No. 2247277

>>2247265
>>2247272
Understood. This is helpful as I don't want to use the wrong terms and I agree it would dilute the definition.

No. 2247278

>>2247276
Stop trying to insert your skydaddy into everything. We should include male gods in 4B too.

No. 2247279

>>2247263
I wasn't the original anon, more than one person can see how making it into a competition is an easy way to make a movement look like a joke.

No. 2247282

>>2247278
It was some other anon who brought up religion and dunked on religious nonnas first. But ok time to exclude SK feminists too since many are christian.

No. 2247285

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Religious women will never give up god or men. Refocus your energies on the women who will listen

No. 2247286

I don't like religion either but one anon practicing hers in a flavor that presumably isn't misogynistic isn't something worth trying to moralfag over. 4B is a list of 4 requirements, if she's doing those things then yeah she's 4B. Adding silent rules doesn't really do anything except turn it into another social game.

No. 2247290

>>2247199
>It's hard to do any kind of separatist movement when you rely on men for your sense of self as well as your income.
Ironically, the aforementioned woke urban/educated/progressive female demographic is arguably in the best position to attain financial independence. However, they're also the most insulated from men's control over women. How many of them would still eagerly back hookup culture if they got pregnant via unprotected sex and could not access an abortion? How many would support sex work / OnlyFans and the porn industry if they had to do survival sex work for a living? So many parrot "I support sex workers" but drop their facade as soon as actual women who've done sex work mention something bad about the industry or the type of patrons you are forced to encounter.

No. 2247295

>>2247279
Actually samefag this time, but specifically the "enlightened euphoric atheist" joke that everyone got sick of a decade ago. Why you would want that to be connected despite it being so heavily mocked because of how pretentious it was, I got no clue. I mean, come on, "skydaddy"? What's next, flying spaghetti monster?

No. 2247300

>>2247278
KEK anon based and true

No. 2247310

>>2247277
Love you nonny. Female solidarity.

No. 2247317

>>2247282
Do you really think a radical female separatist movement is going to be Christian just because it's one of the popular religions in the country. Retard kek. This is like saying all American radfems must be Christian because it's the leading religion in the states.
>>2247278
Based

No. 2247326

What are some ways nonnas can support female solidarity and women in their communities?

No. 2247332

Why is there a Muslim and a cop in the op?

No. 2247339

>>2247317
Half of Korean women are christian, recently a post made by Korean roach went vital, he expressed how men need to punish women who have short hair, go to church and a bunch of other traits. Some prominent Korean feminists are christian too. It's just silly to me, trying to exclude women who are grossed out by moids, hate them and actually stick to 4B because of their religious beliefs.

No. 2247341

>>2247278
This is a great idea. All male gods are false idols and must be smashed!

No. 2247344

>>2247339
Fair, I guess I made assumptions about what might be true and read your post in bad faith. Sorry about that.

No. 2247348

>>2247339
>trying to exclude women who are grossed out by moids, hate them and actually stick to 4B because of their religious beliefs
This isn't a kindergarten playground, nobody's being excluded here. We're just suggesting that women who adhere to patriarchal religions that hate women and put men on par with God are going to have a hell of a time reconciling that with radical feminism. You can't hate men and worship them at the same time.

No. 2247355

>>2247348
>You can't hate men and worship them at the same time.
Well said!

No. 2247367

>>2247348
Isn't it a sin to consider man on the same level of God? Any worship other than that for God is considered idol worship and is bad, no?

No. 2247370

>>2247367
HOLY SHIT nobody fucking cares about your theology lesson

No. 2247372

>>2247339
Sorry for samefagging, but Korea actually has this conflict too, as many 4B Korean feminists are christian, and many view religion as oppression. On individual scale, we (as in christian feminist women) do not view God as male or female, He is a being beyond our comprehension. And same for Jesus, Jesus was depicted as on a border between male and female as early as in middle ages (the wound as vagina), he never engaged in any evil male deeds as men do, he never had sex, never had kids, he worshipped women, which back then women were treated as cattle, his own mother was forced to be married and give birth at 14. When we pray to God we don't pray to a male, or female, we pray to something beyond that. I understand it might sound weird and whacky, and I totally get how non-religious people view this as male worship (after all God is often depicted with a beard and all that), but we do not treat it that way.

No. 2247387

>>2247355
As an atheist I personally don't care. God isn't real and why should I care if they worship a fictional man. I care when they worship REAL men. I feel like as long as your love for God doesn't inadvertently make you a huge pick-me, then who cares.

No. 2247406

>>2247387
Compounding on this, but if your fictional moid worship like husbandofaggotry makes you less likely to have sex with real men then who cares. I accept husbandofags and Jesus is the OG husbando.

No. 2247407

>>2247367
What an amazing coincidence that all major religions have a human male as the representation of God and His (never Her) will! And can you believe that these religions also (purely coincidentally!!) bid women to be submissive domestic workers/sex slaves for men on pain of damnation, social ostracization, and death?
>>2247387
>why should I care if they worship a fictional man. I care when they worship REAL men
They are part and parcel both in practice and by definition.

No. 2247408

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Thoughts on husbandos?

No. 2247410

>>2247408
They're still mostly voiced and created by real men.
this is the main reason I don't consider myself a true feminist, I like my escapism too much.

No. 2247411

>>2247410
But they're fictional

No. 2247414

>>2247407
But to what end? The purpose of the movement is to not have sex with men. If being a Jesusfag makes you less likely to have sex with men then what's the problem. As long as you don't donate to any Christian organizations it shouldn't be a problem.
>>2247410
I see this as more of an issue. It's hard to be an ethical consumer under capitalism but it would be good to avoid support men financially where you can.

No. 2247415

>>2247408
I love cute fictional guys. It’s so funny watching all these moids rush to cosplay him because he’s so desirable.

No. 2247416

>>2247408
yumeism is not 4b fujoism on the other hand…

>in b4 what is clearly a joke gets redtexted

No. 2247418

>>2247416
kek, some anon unironically believing that would be funny though.

No. 2247424

>>2247408
Worshipping males of fictional Is still bad. God you bitches are actually ridiculous and bastardize 4B, the original 4B they strictly made their stance AGAINST anime and all fandom/media slop that especially includes men. You people don’t read and are only here to derail and bait

No. 2247427

>>2247424
Okay link some reading materials here then instead of complaining. I'm open to changing my mind.

No. 2247429

>>2247407
I do not, God has been a bird, a burning bush, it is beyond our comprehension (never showed Himself as an actual person), but for people of the past I guess it was easier to depict Him as an old man, even though He is beyond things like sex.

Jesus preached that women are equal and they have the same rights as men do, He did so in times when women were not considered human and treated like cattle. Masses in first centuries were led by women. After Christ left murderer Paul (a guy who murdered a bunch of early christians) decided that women should be lower than men in church, going against Christ's teachings. Christ warned that men are sinful and greedy and the church will become corrupted by them, and that is exactly what happened. So sorry for derailing this hard but idk I think it's a fascinating topic. While I agree that systems created by men are oppressive, including the institution of church, Christ's teachings were very egalitarian which at the time was unheard of.

No. 2247430

>>2247424
I think yumes that are celibate can be 4B though, I don't think they should be excluded as long as they keep the yumeism on the low

No. 2247434

Ofc when it comes for westerners to get rid of their dangerous for the mind consoomer slop they rather kill themselves than abstain from it, just like having casual sex with the ugliest motherfucker that came from out of a sewage dump. Westerners seriously think the anime, video games and music they listen to are personality traits and descriptors or what makes them full, actualized human beings. How sad, you think playing a video game is the equivalent of somebody being righteous, kind, intelligent, passionate, mysterious etc. things that actually make somebody a person and not shit made by 200 suit-and-tie scrotes just for men to play and then have you weirdos try to turn into something that was achksually made4thegurls because it’s a male. Get rid of that shit and you’ll magically see how trash it is and how clear your mind will become, it’s all drenched in scrotum influence

No. 2247437

>>2247424
Agreed. Same type of shit when troons jack off to lolicon, claim it’s not real, then later end up raping kids.(baiting)

No. 2247438

>>2247434
What about media made by women? Not all media is drenched in scrotum influence.

No. 2247439

>>2247429
Not everyone is a christfag. Women being non religious speeds up progression. Sadly, I know too many religious women love to stand by their man because jesus.

No. 2247444

>>2247438
A lot of media by women still do male-worship and delude other women with the males they write being kind by simply acting like women irl, when in reality males would never be anything other than degenerate. Just because it’s a female-written fantasy cope fiction about men being kind doesn’t mean it’s right.

No. 2247446

>>2247437
Bait harder.

No. 2247449

>>2247424
Calm down it’s just a 3d model

No. 2247450

As much as I encourage this, lolcow is an awful place to try and get this movement off the ground.

No. 2247454

hello normie women are you interested in 4B, it's about female liberation. oh but you can't watch tv shows, play games, listen to music, consume media of any sort or believe in any religion

No. 2247455

>>2247438
A lot of women actually aid in reproducing scrotum consoomer slop, romance novels and films have served that function quite perfectly along with toxin-filled makeup and feminine hygiene products. Even if the most innocent appearing of content made by women they perpetuate the grossest stereotypes unfortunately. I’ve watched a few anime shows as an example for you weebs that were made by women, a classic one is Sailor Moon and even in a show filled with female characters it still has the most scrote appealing tropes and messages because without it, they couldn’t market it to anyone else besides women. InuYasha was also made by a woman and even though it’s a decent show, it has shit loads of crap in it that’s just straight up garbage and especially her other anime, Urusei Yatsura which is like a travesty when you actually manage to understand anything that happens in that show. The male MC in that show is basically a fucking rapist and so are the other males

No. 2247459

>>2247455
Purity spiralling like this is the exact reason 4B will never succeed in the west.

No. 2247463

>>2247454
sign me up



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