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ITT:A thread for open/closeted ex-Muslims and or Muslims who are questioning their faith
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>>2431490We ask ourselves this question everytime. Just like being born with FAS, none of of us chose this.
No. 2432618
>>2432590it's childhood indoctrination and fear of being isolated from everything you know, plus patriarchy instilling the idea any mistake a woman makes (or really us existing) is a grave sin but men are easily forgiven and need to be catered to.
>>2432606huh i never felt embarrassed as a kid for crushes for religious reasons, only felt bad since i was a loser. islam didn't seem to have much about sexual guilt, but pressuring about sex within marriage and no premarital sex.
No. 2433290
>>2432543Same
nonnie, I hate all of the cooking bullshit that women are forced to do because men are lazy as shit. Watching my aunts slave over the stove cooking meals for their fat lazy moids radicalized me. And these same women are also fasting and working full time jobs. Of course the fat moids won't even clean up their shit afterwards. And the women cope by saying, they will be rewarded for this servitude. A lady I know has a lot of moids come over to her house for iftaar and makes her daughters cook and clean. I hate how moids in my culture don't learn to cook for shit.
No. 2435463
>>2435414I can't recommend this path but I understand where you're coming from. You could lie to your parents, use filters and shoop to make your husband-to-be look more acceptable to them, ask him to lie about being Muslim, or pretend that he's Muslim but Iranian or something and that's why he's white. Will any of these things work in your situation?
And not to be a bitch or anything but it might be better to wait until Ramadan is over to make massive life choices like this, the constant starvation and praying isn't going to help you make an informed decision.
Good luck getting out of wherever you are. I hope things improve for you soon.
No. 2435947
>>2435414What's your country's law regarding it? I'm sure different countries have different laws even if all are muslim countries. Just look it up. Maybe yours doesn't need parental approval to get married.
Can't you find another way to escape tho? Studying abroad is a good to leave and when you're in a non-muslim country there's a better chance of finding a non-retarded western moid and you can marry him more easily there. You won't need parental approval there. I mean if you still want to marry.
No. 2436194
>>2435414Go to an university abroad, to a western secular country.
Avoid Sweden.
No. 2437029
>>2435414western muzzie moids desperate for brides may exist, but you coming from abroad they may see you as lesser or easy to abuse. like another nonna said going to school abroad and then using one of them maybe as your ticket to citizenship and out.
marriage as escape doesn't seem like a good idea though.
No. 2437063
>>2435953She sounds like narcissist who is jealous of you while also seeing you as an extension of herself to control.
>And if I have a thought that is different to hers on this, or talk about living apart from her to remind her that I will not always be around to be her punching bag, her knee jerk reaction is oh you're a crazy feminazi and there must be a male involved.Stop telling your mom your beliefs and plans. You need to focus on long term strategy and making her paranoid you're a "whore" and will leave will only make her try to control you more. Try to limit engagement. Dr. Ramani's channel on youtube is about dealing with narcissists.
>I just want to scream at her that she's a stupid brainwashed pickme. But I know that is unfair when she didn't ask to be born into a muslim family in a third world country.It's not unfair at all. She may be indoctrinated but there is a possibility to realize that your beliefs are hurting your children. Yelling at her is obviously a bad idea and only will set her off to try to control you more.
No. 2440113
>>2435953OK so you need to learn to be quiet and keep secrets. When you've mastered that, learn to use your mother's batshittery for your own benefit. Since she does everything possible to crush you, tell her the opposite of what you want, eg tell her you want to live at home forever and she'll probably encourage you to move out. It's tiring, but you can make it easier for yourself by not telling other people all your hopes and dreams and then being surprised pikachu when they ruin all your plans.
>>2435488This is true and if you keep up the act for a few years you can get a divorce and fuck off to live your own life. Men like that will think you're too indoctrinated to contemplate that. You could even fake your own suicide after the divorce if you're worried he's going to tell your parents (or you could just pretend you're an orphan with no family just in case, moids are retarded and you can shoop yourself into another person so your real family won't recognize you from your photos).
There are many cons to this, though, he's definitely going to get violent and controlling and probably won't let you get a job or an education. You can get around this with the internet but it's not easy. Pretending you can't speak English and can barely understand English helps, as does wearing a hijab- or burqa if you chose not to go the Kim K route- so he can 'humiliate' you by forcing you to go outside uncovered as punishment.
Tldr any moid who orders a mail order Muslim thirdie bride is buying a fetish punching bag so he can batter all her hopes and dreams into the ground. Escaping your shithole through marriage is not going to be easy but if it's literally the only path available to you it's better for you to sell yourself as a submissive ultra religious saint so he can attack your religion before he resorts to attacking you.
Going abroad to study (avoid Sweden and the UK) like
>>2435947 said is the best option, but I understand that your parents or country might not allow that.
No. 2444754
>>2444270You might be overthinking this. Why do they need to know that you've cut them off? Tell your family what they want to hear. You've made so many pious Muslim friends at uni, your degree will get you a job that pays enough to support your husband and family, your sister and cousins would be super safe studying abroad, etc. You don't need to sperg your heart out, you know? Lie until your sister and cousins are safe. You don't need to make it elaborate or anything. Stick to a few points that are easy to remember and make sure they're all things that your family wants to hear. If you have to complain about something, complain about the food.
Keep in touch, but not daily. Tell them that you need to study. That's what you're there for, they should be able to understand that you're busy. There's no need to sever contact completely, and if you do cut them off suddenly with no warning, they might send someone after you to drag you back home. Maybe do a video call every so often for a few minutes in a spot with dodgy wifi. They'll see that the connection is shit, so it's plausible that you won't be able to chat very often. Turn off your read receipts. Send pics of your high exam scores sometimes so they know you're studying and doing well. If you give your family a reason for your absence now, they'll be more likely to believe you when you finish your degree and come up with another reason to continue to cut contact with them.
Seriously though, learn to lie, and learn how to not overshare. You'll get through this.
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>>2444270>Nonnas I can't do the final step, I'm at a point where I can safely cut them off - I'm at a uni in europe, I have a long time visa (til the end of my degree) and I have a job that pays me enough to get through my bills. I don't believe you're fully there, I would say you need a permanent visa/citizenship situation before you're fully in the clear. You've done good for yourself but you want as near 100% security before being open like that.
>In the end I can't seem to be able to disown them, I can't leave my sister like this and my younger cousins knowing that if word got out all the other women in my family would suffer.It sounds like you're doubting your judgment that being too openly exmuslim would be dangerous to your younger family, but you are right they would make you an example of what not to be, and try to control your other family members. Remind yourself you are complying for their sakes so they can also have the potential options of getting out.
>Anons how do I do it..?>>2444754 gave good advice, I'd say learning to say less and disconnect from them through keeping conversations more shallow and short may be good. Try to go low contact, if full no contact may be too nuclear.
No. 2447496
>>2447408Why would it be weird for muslims when she's considered a great figure in the religion, the rest of us can recognise it as strange but it's really the same as naming your child mary who was also a child. These people aren't thinking clearly.
>>2444754>>2447430Thanks both of you, Yeah I think I'll live it a few years more til I've got my feet a bit more grounded. I'm mostly friends with other non-muslim women so it's not as if I'm closeted all the time and feeling like I used to, just the usual paranoia. My grandparents are conservative and my parents had to fight with them to let me and my sister study the courses we wanted so I know it will be a gotcha but it's only 3 years and a lot can happen then.
No. 2447506
>>2447408Thank you for the explanation, nona. That's fucking foul.
>>2447496This has been discussed in other threads, but christians generally know Mary to have been an adult. Her age is never definitively stated, she is married (and therefore assumed to be an adult), and in all art depicting her, she is a grown, older woman.
It's also common to refer to her as "mother" Mary, and while this is because she's Jesus's mother, she also takes on a maternal role for those who include her in their religious experience.
Nowhere near the same as a 6-9 year old little girl being forcibly married and raped.
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Is it weird I daydream about a normal life? Dating, pre-martial sex, white wedding with music and alcohol, having kids with a normal non-muslim guy, never forcing my future daughter to wear the hijab, letting them have hobbies (music, painting),etc? I hate being a closeted hijabi, I hate how other people pretend to know what I'm going to say and assume my opinion on things and I can't explain to them why. Unless I win the lottery, my situation isn't going to change anytime soon. Thanks to this shit economy, I might never make enough to leave and I'll be too old to enjoy anything.
No. 2448042
>>2447335Well, the name gives me CSA vibes because it was the name of a person raped as a child. You wouldnt name your child Lolita, would you? Sorry to other anons named Ayesha out there.
Its funny you should mention Mary. Ive always associated Mary/Maryam with matriarchs or female CEOS/politicians.
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can't even vent to my mom about end of semester stress without being lectured on how I need to turn to god and nothing else matters. I hate no having anyone I can really speak to. I hate ramadan, every year it's the same bullshit
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>>2447858I'm grateful that my parents won’t force me to get married (Im considered too old for it anyway) and that I'll inherit enough to live comfortably. but Im in the same boat as you, I often find myself daydreaming about romance, kids and the security and romannce that westerners often take for granted. my only hope is that my country eventually has a secular dictator who can help it develop and crush the Islamists, that would materially benefit all the women in my country
No. 2452500
>>2447496>just the usual paranoiaHere's a tip that will really really help you out: always act like you have nothing to hide. If you keep obsessing over keeping secrets you're going to act weird and tip them off, or you might be so preoccupied with keeping your secrets that you could end up accidentally letting something slip to the wrong person. Pretend you're an open book with nothing to hide, and just don't talk about the things you want to keep private.
Since your grandparents are conservative and your parents aren't, you might be OK. I don't want to be morbid here, but they might not be around for that long, and even if they are, they might not be able to exert their influence too strongly, you know? Unless you have overly zealous family members who want to go out of their way to be batshit crazy, you're probably not at risk while you're doing your degree.
The important things right now are studying and placating your family. If you do well at uni, of course you'll want to get a job in your field to use the gift your parents gave you. If you get a good job, of course you can't come back home that often (but you do have to call them and send them nice gifts and money to give them a reason to let you stay in your job instead of being married off to a geriatric scrote in the middle of the countryside with no hope of escape). If you're still a good little Muslim girl while you're unsupervised at uni, your family won't have as many qualms about sending your other female relatives away to study- it's not like you did anything bad, after all. Your grandparents are unlikely to ever change but the rest of your family might maybe become slightly more normal about female education and autonomy eventually.
If they're being very insistent on making you come back home, tell them that you want to work hard and save up enough money to take the whole family- especially your grandparents- on Hajj. Or on any other pilgrimage that they want to do but haven't been able to do yet. You have a much better chance of getting your way if you tie it to religion somehow.
Unfortunately you're the test subject for this, so you need to paint the best possible picture of your student life. It's stressful but you're going to improve your family's lives in so many ways. You might even make the rest of your family back home ease up on the surveillance, since you're not under watch 24/7 and you're fine.
>>2452019Bloating and constipation. Maybe she'll be grossed out enough not to ask more questions.
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I'd just like to remind everyone that the islamic concept of heaven is literally just men getting to eternally have sex with big-breasted beautiful virgins, have slaves and own their own mansion.
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I love reading post from Muslims in the UK. Especially Desi ones, someone commented not even unmarried cousins should do iftaar parties. I forgot about that mahram bs exsited and even you’re supposed to cover in front of male relatives you can marry.
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I had flashback to the way my strict muzzie dad used to treat any kind of outting ever. We'd go to the seaside to just watch the waves and nothing else. And he'd choose the worst stinkiest spot to avoid people "seeing" us. Then if someone sits like 5 meters apart of us he throws a temper tantrum over it, how dare they exist as the same vicinity as us and perceive our existence? Haram. So we'll go back home. He even threatened people walking on the sidewalk with a ladle he was cooking with (worst cooking in the world btw) because how dare they walk on the sidewalk where he forced us to sit while he cooks and plays pretend camp??!! Haram. He wouldn't let 12 yo me swing in the park either because "the men will see you!!!". I'm glad he's dying and suffering from diabetes complications, his lifestyle catching up with him.
>>2455042A bit off topic but seeing these Arabic Islamic words spelled with English letters is so cringe to me. No one knows what that means if they're not a muzzie. Translate it or something. But knowing muzzies, they're too retarded to pull out a dictionary because education bad.
No. 2456237
>>2456206Can't say specifically but it's a middle eastern country with muzzie majority and sharia law. So this retard was acting out extra and it makes no sense at all.
>>2456233True. That adds another layer of cringe to me.
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Twitter muzzies are so retarded and annoying. You can’t post your iftaar meal becuase Gazans are starving. I understand posting things out of bad faith but good damn no one said anything when Chinese Uighur Muslims were being oppressed during Ramadan. No Twitter muzzies said stop doing blah blah becuase South Sudanese Muslims are being killed by North Sudanese. And the comments are even more retarded than the op.
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>>2456541Some more retarded comments
No. 2456552
>>2456519oops, yes I am.It wasn't like that for me at start. I was the elder and at the time the only child, so he'd play football with me and let me ride bicycles but I was too bad at it, lol. And he used to help me with my homework. Once my brother was old enough, he started doing that with him instead and telling me to stay at home and clean and cook with my mom. The sudden shift was very aggravating and disheartening. Ofcourse it eventually escalated to physically abuse to force me to do those chores, being locked outside of the house under the scorching desert summer sun at 1 pm doing farm work, no food or water or any entertainment until I'm done, or else I get slapped and punched and burned with cigarettes. Not saying the rest of my siblings weren't abused, but I had it worst being the elder and a girl. Doesn't help he divorced his first wife after she and her children ran away from his abuse, which I witnessed all as a 5 yo, and he was very angry and wanted someone to let it out on, and that was me. I spent my childhood serving him rather than living normally, and looking back, it gave me an overachieving complex where I was trying to appear normal at school and very embarrassed by it all, I wanted to get the best grades to make it seem like I'm doing ok, and I legit had mental breakdowns and got violent with my classmates and siblings at home whenever things didn't go my way. He left me alone around my teenage years, but it was too late and the damage was done, so I spent those years depressed and suicidal and almost self-harming using pens and stabbing my arms and drawing all over my body. I want to say I'm doing a bit better as an adult, but I still feel the shame of being abnormal, unhuman, monstrous, not being able to think, act or look like a normal average person from a normal average country. Even in my middle eastern shithole country, I stand out too much and people always were able to tell, which is what caused me shame throughout my school years. Sorry for the vent but I really hate the way I had to live so far. I feel not even a therapist or any drug can fix this.
No. 2456876
>>2456543Is no one gonna talk about the Somali guy saying shit like
>ajam dalit'Ajam' which literally means mute and is a insult used on people that don't speak muh superior Arabic language and 'dalit' meaning the lowest caste in India's caste system, the "untouchables". And then calling her a
>Canaanite queenWtf is this Araboo retard doing? It's reminiscent of all the white supremacists on /pol/ being Latinos
No. 2457436
>>2456552I'm so sorry he put you through that. Fuck that moid. I hope his decline is painful and I hope you can find some opportunity to tell him that everything he's going through is his fault and that his first wife and kids are living happy lives because he's not there any more.
You were never a freak. The way you acted because of what your living turd of a father put you through is what made you stand out. There are a lot of tells that you probably didn't notice but which would have really stood out to anyone who worked with kids, and to the other kids around you. For example, things like being a control freak over unimportant things would make you seem weird to other kids, who might understand you being upset if your homework was all crumpled up but wouldn't understand you being anal about how your pencils were organized. Body language like being overly tense, holding your breath randomly, being twitchy and overly alert, are things that you can't hide as a kid and honestly you probably didn't notice you were even doing anything like that at the time. Since you were being beaten and burned you probably tried to hide your injuries as much as possible and you might not have done the best job at it, which again would make you stand out, because people- especially kids- can sniff out when someone's hiding things.
It's all the little things like that that made you think you have a beacon on your head announcing that you're a retarded freak of nature. You've convinced yourself that you're some sort of monster so you're trying to compensate for something that's not even real. You're a normal human with a shit father who doesn't deserve you. Therapy will help, but only as much as you allow it to. You're holding yourself accountable for all the shit your father spewed at you because he's a retard. You need to learn to stop clinging to this idea of you as the ultimate piece of trash and your dad as the dictator of your achievements and personality. He wouldn't care if you lived or died as a kid or as an adult. Stop caring so much about his opinions to the point that you can't separate it from your sense of self.
>>2457271Wtf are you on about? The far left doesn't support ethnic cleansing. They bootlick anyone who isn't white, including China, and they hate Trump and therefore love China, but they don't support ethnic concentration camps. The far left generally don't touch anything that goes against one of their pet causes though, so if China is en vogue, they won't mention Uyghurs, and if China is no longer fashionable, they will. It's why they don't mention the abysmal way women are treated in Afghanistan- it's a brown peepol country with a very woke and traditional non-white religion, so everything they do is wonderful and enlightened. Acknowledging that it's a shit country would be a social death sentence.
And none of these idiots reads anything they reblog, they just keep spamming everyone with articles that someone else shared and links to donations that are suuuuper legit and can't actually explain the topic that they're fired up about because they don't even understand it.
No. 2457676
>>2457436Yeah it's frustrating to be called racist when I say Islam is a misogynistic religion. They will screech about how Christianity and Judaism is also sexist. Which I agree, they are. But they have been (for the most part) wrangled by secular law. I can't think of a single Christian or Jewish majority country in modern times that legally can kill you for being an apostate or not conforming to the religion.
I also get pissed when they conflate Islamophobia with racism. I am legitimately scared of Islam as the religion wants to give me less rights than animals. I have no issues with Arabs, Africans, Eastern Europeans, and Southeast Asians.
It just pisses me off. Islam isn't a fucking race, it's a backwards ass belief system that should have been secularized centuries ago.
No. 2459725
>>2455042I don't get what Gair Mahram is supposed to be?
What in the tweet implied that theyre not wearing their hijab?
Or is the issue that you are not supposed to hang out with guys at all?
No. 2460139
>>2459757It's not as easy as that, most of them are under surveillance 24/7 and the ones that aren't are too mentally stunted from the trauma of being raised by retarded parents to do anything to improve their situation. It's mostly the latter tbh. I completely understand your frustration, these women at uni are given an opportunity to forge a life for themselves but they all talk about family drama and marriage non stop. It's depressing when the few who speak up about not wanting to settle down and raise a family get dogpiled by the tradthots who make being a Muslim housewife their entire personality. These same retarded tradthots piss themselves when any of their male relatives looks in their direction because they're all violent scrotes, but they have to be the best crab in the bucket anyway.
It's especially depressing when these women are too smothered by religion to be able to move away without completely cutting off their entire extended family and risking their lives in the process. The women at your uni are probably worried about whether their future moid will let them leave the house alone or have a job and their useless retarded family won't exactly be a place of refuge.
If you're in/have been to Bradford you know how mad it is, all the Muslims congregate there and there are zero Muslims in the surrounding areas, they don't visit, they don't live there, it's all pricey but a Muslim or ex Muslim woman could potentially fuck off to like anywhere else in Yorkshire and live out her days in peace, of course it's not that simple but it's absolutely possible. They all live like rats in the shittiest place in the UK surrounded by screaming druggies and schizo family members, no wonder they all go mad, but none of them seem to want to move away from it all. I really don't get it. There's nothing there for them except more stalking, screaming, batshit crazy druggies shooting up in alleys, and enough takeaways to feed a continent. They're not going to be missing out on any of life's positive experiences if they decide to leave No. 2462129
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>>2462125Purpose. It drives all things, even god
No. 2462130
Remembered the retarded Quran classes where they'd make us read the same verse over and over in unison and slowly until we memorized it. Most boring cult activity, 0/10. I alway fell asleep during these and my teachers either thought I was possessed or I had anemia. I did have anemia lmao. But the truth was I stayed up all night to watch cartoons and slept at 3 AM, had to wake up for school at 6 AM, and took a long nap when I returned home after lunch at 3 PM till 6 PM. That's why I was always so sleepy.
>>2462125The director wants it this way.
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>>2462134It's sort of like a big clock. Picrel is the mechanism (which is natural and brought about), god is the clockmaker, people are the cogs, embellishments or moving pieces
No. 2462167
>>2462162You genuinely believe someone created us? You dont find that weird?
I cant fathom the idea of someone creating the universe. No need to make a whole philosophical argument about it, I still cant understand the very idea of a creator. I just dont. It doesnt make sense.
Someone made the universe? I dont get it.
No. 2462308
>>2430952>>2430952this thread is exactly why you don't raise ur kids in the west. ur all pathetic and obsessed with islam. psyop
victims.
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>>2462125I also have a big problem with the idea of God
People who believe in God often bring about the argument that a world so perfect and well "thought out" can't have emerged out of nowhere
BUT I don't get how they
>can't fathom a world so perfect wasn't created by someone >can fathom a being so perfect as to create such a world has not been created No. 2462603
>>2462595This argument annoys me because the world (nature)
isn't perfect. It's amazing, but it's far from perfect. There is a staggering amount of evidence that evolution aims for "good enough" at the very most, not "perfect."
No. 2462641
>>2462632It's interesting how many quirks of female reproductive biology exist to
fight sperm, and it's because human gametes have an usually high incidence of catastrophic defects and chromosomal abnormalities. It's believed that about 40% of sperm are completely non-viable. So the uterus and vagina are basically a gauntlet to murder all the tard swimmers, which is theorized to be part of why humans are one of the few animals to have periods.
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I feel like my mom has gotten more religious this ramadan and she's been sending me weird texts. She knows I'm off at college and I'm not reading my quran as often. A part of me wants to practice to make it seem like I'm not losing my religion and she doesn't have anything to fear. I just need a few more years of school and a job to be free. I can see the end but the days are grinding me down. She talks about sending me off to an-all female "study group" and I fear her. I fear her killing me in the name of religion. She talks about how school isn't as important as the hereafter and all my worries over my exams are meaningless. There's no one around me I can talk to, except for small pockets online.
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>>2452000as much as it sucks to be lonely, I'd rather be alone than be with a sexist skinny fat, muslim moid
No. 2463713
>>2462641>So the uterus and vagina are basically a gauntlet to murder all the tard swimmers, which is theorized to be part of why humans are one of the few animals to have periods.I had no idea of that lol it's so funny
Also I thought all mammals had periods
No. 2463742
>>2463713A lot of mammals have periods, as in they form the endometrium and then they get rid of it to make it again later, it's just that a lot of animals reabsorb the tissue and blood instead of expelling them like humans do.
>>2462641Didn't they recently discover that the "stronger sperm is the one that wins" is a myth too? The uterus and vagina kill all unwanted sperm and then the uterus sends signals to the chosen sperm. Most fertility issues are because the moid's sperm is awful and gets killed off (rightfully so). So really moids don't have a choice, they're not meant to.
No. 2463839
>>2462595>can fathom a being so perfect as to create such a world has not been createdExactly.
Think about how big the universe is. Then think about a "creator" and imagine how big
it would be to be able to make the universe.
Isn't that fucking crazy?
No. 2467159
>>2466885iirc even if it's the fastest religion in Japan it's not the local population that's concerned but a tiny minority of immigrants from other Asian countries who don't fit in at all, like Indians, Pakistanis, Indonesians, etc. I doubt islam will be spread within the Japanese population because from what I've seen they're more superstitious than religious, local beliefs are way too different from abrahamic religions so I can't really imagine the average Japanese guy converting the way white guys in the west do. The few Japanese christians are a little bit insane though so nothing's impossible. Going there was amazing for me, I loved going anywhere I wanted, eating whatever I wanted and not being looked at like I'm alien from outer space but there were a few times were some of these people from these minorities ruined my day by walking up to me in the middle of the street, asking if I were from their country and trying to take me to their restaurants by screaming that the food is halal as if I give a fuck.
>>2467102>same things happening in france where islam is spreading. hate it.I don't think there are reliable statistics about that in France because of local laws, but you have to keep in mind that most muslims are from former French colonies that aren't nearly as strict with islam as the middle east so you have plenty of people saying they're culturally muslim, they try to fast during ramadan and avoid pork but they smoke, drink alcohol, have sex out of wedlock and pretend they don't, women use makeup and dress however they want, go to university, etc. Ironically the younger adults are either way too into islam because they have a complex over being born and raised in France and not really knowing their grandparents or great grandparents' country or don't give a single fuck about religion even if their parents are muslim.
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>>246715999$ percent of problems with muslim could be solved if any government just put its foot down. there’s not much they can actually do, the communist states all enforced forced assimilation and the muslims all accepted it. When they tried to fight back, they were beaten down and again had to accept it
picrel are hijabs being publicly burned
No. 2467246
>>2467233I was going to say that but you were faster than me. If we keep using France as an example then the forced assimilation absolutely will never work because if its history with the former colonies French muslims are usually from. If anything I wonder if these countries would have been a lot less religious if they weren't colonized in the first place and if the local populations weren't coping and trying to preserve their identities with islam, as opposed to catholicism as it's practiced in France. And a lot of attempts at assimilating 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. gen "immigrants" from muslim families reek of racism because people who are perfectly integrated in society and even atheists or christians will be targeted so that pushes some of the younger generations into focusing a lot more on islam. I won't go into details because that's complicated, long and boring to read and there aren't any reliable official stats and data on the matter because the law anyway besides some books in which a few witnesses and writers will give their own personal experiences. I'm sure this could also apply to other western countries, I keep hearing about how the majority of muslims in the UK are also from former British colonies but Pakistanis seem to care a lot more about islam on average.
If we're still talking about Japan then maybe the government could be a lot stricter with visas for people from India, Pakistan, Indonesia, etc. at some point if it deems it a problem but it seems they would rather be strict with western expats and immigrants instead unless they have a specific set of skills. The government is usually right wing and I really doubt Japanese people would enjoy to see people they consider foreigners telling them to stop eating pork and drinking alcohol, this would make sense to me if it happens in a few years.
>the true solution is slow integration into western values throw media indoctrinationIt doesn't work either. No amount of movies, tv shows, music, documentaries, ads, etc. subtly showing that the average muslim in a western country should fit in will be enough to compensate for your neighbors, classmates of coworkers treating you like an outsider or throwing racist insults at you because they assume your religion based on your race. That's why accusations of islamophobia work so well by the way, it's often used to talk about actual racism so when someone uses it to talk about how someone had the audacity of eating in front of them during lunch break in the middle of ramadan others will take this silly type of accusations a lot more seriously than they should.
No. 2467501
>>2467246>I wonder if these countries would have been a lot less religious if they weren't colonized in the first place and if the local populations weren't coping and trying to preserve their identities with islam,People assume it's a progressive leftist meme that Muslim radicalization is very recent, but it's actually true. Radical Islam has only been a thing since the Napoleonic era, and it was in response to just getting repetitively kicked in by western powers. They tried other copes like pan-arab nationalism, and those failed too, leaving the islamist cope remaining.
The humiliation of Israel being founded, the failures of Socialism and Ba'athism, and the Arabian version of hillbilly rednecks willing the lottery with the Saud dynasty getting oil wealth, is what has amplified islam into this all encompassing political ideology. You can throw in the Pakistan/India conflict and the rivalry there as an added bonus, with Pakistan being dependent on Islam for its entire identity and existence.
For most of history Islam has been considered the "easier" and tamer of the Abrahamic religions. Much of the early appeal was the legalistic simplicity, which appealed to people at a time when Christians were slaughtering each other based on slightly different interpretations of a vague trinity. Christians were wildly more intolerant of minorities in their territories while Islamic societies allowed Copts and Jews to thrive for the most part. Ashkenazi jews teetered on the edge of total extermination and the European Sephardic jews for the most part got bullied into converting or fled to Muslim countries. The Druze stuff wouldn't at all be tolerated in Europe, as soon as divergent sect there appeared like the Cathars, the Christians all united to exterminate it.
I do think the appeal of hardline interpetations of islam will collapse because most of those humiliations are gone. Already since the Great War on Terror it does appear to have softened a lot.
No. 2468153
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>>2467233>>2467246not really. The martyr myths were actually spread by the cia. Most of these retarded islamists wouldn’t have been able to tie their own shoes without the training provided by the us. my country managed to silence all Islamic opposition when we had a dictatorship (which the cia helped to remove). to defend our humanity, we need a strong state that uses force. afghanistan could have been like pre-war iraq if the us had never meddled and provided the mujaheddin with guns and bombs
No. 2469284
>>2469109The Japanese in general are wary of people who convert to "exotic" religions like Islam or Mormonism. They have a history of weirdo cults bombing train stations and doing mass suicides, so the average citizen will always side-eye and keep those converts at an arm's length away. Also like
>>2469156 said, they will NEVER give up pork and alcohol. That's been ingrained into them since prehistory and they're not going to stop because an invisible skydaddy religion with a bad reputation tells them no.
No. 2469535
>>2469511I'm in a somewhat similar situation, but not exactly. She's intelligent, however her entire life she's been mentally (and often physically) abused by her father simply for being a girl, such as wearing the scarf since she was around 10, not allowed to wear pants (her father has also criticised her wearing colorful maxi skirts), wasn't allowed to have a phone til she graduated high school while her older brother got it when he was 15 and the same brother was allowed to study overseas while she wasn't, yet for some reason she still says she's a muslim and no matter what I try to tell her, she goes back to it. Prays a lot even though nearly none of her prayers have come true, her parents are no better than they were. The first time she ever went to a cinema was with me, to watch an animated film because I was leaving the country. She also says the same things, she wants to get married so she no longer has to live through the life her parents have given her. What can you do for women like this? They have never lived a happy life, they have nothing else.
It's mostly because I've never taken religion seriously that it was easy for me to begin seeing the flaws and hating it, not for someone like her who sees it as a refuge. I want all muslim women to be free. (even as a kid I would pray to allah that I'll pray 5 times a day and read the quran everyday if I stopped having the same nightmares, and every night I'd have them so I never could seriously pray because it never did anything lol)
No. 2469686
>>2469535ayrt, yeah my friends situation is super similar to what you described, except shes pretty much a caretaker for her siblings too, along with a bunch of family drama in general. she hasnt been able to get a license to get around easily either, so she's reliant on her dad and brother to get around. being around her sucks because we bond over how stifled and restrained we feel in our households, but after we both talk about it she always finds a way to tie it back to how we should just remain religious and keep praying or whatever. i care for her a lot, probably my closest friend on campus since we have so much to talk about outside of all that & we're studying the same thing but its just hard for me to be around someone so genuinely absorbed into this religion.
>>2469557moving out is way easier said than done though, im 20 and still stuck here (though it could be way worse so i cant complain).
>>2469607you're right, it just sucks to see her be so smart and dedicated to her studies knowing that most of what she sees for herself in the future is marriage & staying attached to the family that she complains about so much.
No. 2472074
>>2472051Nta. That's why I call it the eating disorder month. Starving themselves then binge eating. Even when I'm not one of them and have to keep it a secret, I had to follow their retarded rituals, and years ago one day I got insane constipation and stomach aches and had to go to the hospital. Turns out my body just can't take the whole staying hungry for too long then eating tons of heavy food in one session then doing round 2 and 3 shortly apart of each other (that being dinner and suhur), so I had an excuse to sleep in and to eat a proper healthy diet, and also eat less and alone away from them. That saved me for all the next Ramadans. This year my siblings already knew the truth and didn't care, and my dad would sleep until it's time for iftar, so I cooked for them and had some snacks. I got protein bars, dates, fruits, a few spoonfuls of sambosa filling and any sambosa I wrapped but broke apart so it doesn't go to waste. My brother was kind enough to help me with the cooking and preparing the table, and especially frying because I'm too sacred of it, lol. Not saying it was easy because it isn't, but getting to eat and sleep on my own accord did make it easier.
No. 2472713
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she forgot about the slavery
No. 2473082
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>>2472775>>2472861Sometimes it's a mix of beef and pork, but I think it's more commonly just pork
No. 2474156
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muslim moid's obsession with sexual slavery
No. 2474366
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>>2472729Just wait 'till you try supreme pizza. That's where it's at.
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did any of you grow up with your parents telling you to 'cover up' when guests came over, even though you were already wearing full clothing?
No. 2475590
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I don't want to sound like a pickme, maybe it's just my muslim upbringing, but how the hell do women go out like this?
I've been shopping for cute swimsuits for my first vacation at the beach without my family, and this looks like I'd honestly just get moids staring at my ass and boobs when I just want to chill at the beach.
I really wanted to get a cute bikini but the thought of pervy stares is making me second guess my decision
No. 2475663
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>>2475590there are options for 2 pieces with more coverage, they're just a bit harder to find. Try using terms like 'sports bikini' - also, you could get a nice beach skirt or shawl to wear over your bikini if you'd feel more comfortable. Those are great for walking around the beach.
No. 2475665
>>2475632tankinis are fine for this
you can also wear a bikini bra top under the tankini top for extra coverage and support
No. 2475724
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I hate western leftists like this so fucking much, literally every foreign observer noted that women were treated in subhuman conditions in muslim countries (with rare exceptions), and vice versa, muslim moid explorers would often complain about how non-muslim women were all considered loose and immodest
No. 2476366
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>>2476362here's a link to the proposal, it's 40 miles out from dallas
https://epicccp.com/ No. 2477482
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lmao, even euslims in turkey have gotten sick of western and paki muslims
No. 2478111
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I’m so fucking pissed, I can’t even sleep without getting angry. This bullshit happens in a lot of Muslims countries and you have stupid muzzies saying it’s a cultural thing. FGM isn’t banned in this stupid fucking religion and neither is child marriage. Everyday I’m reminded of how barbaric this religion is, and how muzzies will defend this shit while living in Britain or the U.S. They will say this rarely happens or whataboutism to the max.
No. 2478233
>>2478111I sadly heard of so many cases of family members holding down little girls to get raped on their "wedding night". This is also something that moids who complain about their male circumcision don't get: these little girls are sewn shut, only to be cut or ripped apart again when they get married, being in the most brutal pain imaginable during their "first time" (of getting raped). And after they gave birth (if they didn't die during it) they're sewn shut again!
In this girl's case however there was no chance for the original injury to heal after only 2 weeks, meaning they raped a surgical wound, it's a miracle she didn't die from the shock of pain.
And I'm supposed to hear about this and not hate men?
No. 2478401
>>2475916I don't think that's really true at all. European nations have been laughed at by the Muslim world for giving women so many rights for literally centuries. You can find old commentary like in Schopenhauer's work talking about how the Mahemotan faith regards the Christian world as insane for the rights they afford women. It goes back further than this, the Romans were bewildered at how often the Germanic chiefs listened to their wives, only ever took one wife and how the women there appeared to be their own independent people.
Before the Dehli Sultanate the Hindu nations of the Subcontinent seemed to have more women's rights too. Indians who know their own history know that as the muslim occupations set in the fashion there became more prudish and restrictive.
Really the country that's most improved for women's rights is China. They were easily the most restrictive of all, keeping women cloistered up in harems and also crippling their feet. I don't think anywhere else on earth has ever mutilated women to the extent the Chinese did.
No. 2478453
>>2469511>>2469535Super late but please look into cult deprogramming, specifically for cults like MLMs and Mormons, where the members are basically integrated into normal life but still can't leave the cult.
Whatever you do, NEVER explicitly state your beliefs- the more you push, the harder they pull. Be there for your friends, mention things outside of religion, talk about life in a hopeful but realistic way whenever they start to doom spiral. Talk about how you'd like to travel, study, work for yourself, if it's safe to voice these thoughts where you live. Take up a hobby that's easily accessible and cheap and that your friend can get into as well, it'll give your friend something to do that's not related to religion or being Cinderella. When they start going on about marriage, sow the seeds of doubt over whether their future husband will be better than their current family. It needs to be a slow and very gentle descent into reality, otherwise you're going to lose them completely and might find yourselves in danger over it too.
If you notice your friends becoming more vocal about their faith it could be a sign that the deprogramming is working. They feel horror and guilt for doubting the undoubtable so they make up for it with preaching.
It might be a good idea to go to a touristy part of a more secular Muslim country like Turkey, where there are lots of Muslims who don't give nearly as much of a shit about Islam. Obviously, avoid the backwards rural areas of these countries. If your friends can see that it's possible to live a normal life in a Muslim country as a Muslim, without the bullshit they've grown up with, it might push them to escape from their situation, even if they don't make it out of the cult at least they're not in the thick of it.
No. 2478792
>>2478365Gonna sound "like the other ex-muslims" with this but oh well. To me, it was sort of an instinctual thing. Ever since I was a small child, I really wasn't convinced with the whole religion and god thing, it just made no sense and was ridiculous. And the extreme life circumstances I had to live through because of both, Islam and the culture, made me just resent it all. But I was afraid of trying to challenge it or prove it wrong because I didn't want to get killed, lmao. I never practiced the rituals, except in some point of time where I was 12 or something and felt like I was too old to not believe and practice and tried to force myself into it to the point of OCD, but I ended up burning out and deciding it's not worth it and I just don't have the heart to do it, not my fault. A part of it was also that I desired normal people stuff and a normal life like what I saw on TV from western shows growing up. They had many things I wouldn't even dream of and couldn't ask for. And I also enjoyed music and singing and art in general dearly, but was told I'll be burned in hell and tortured for it and for not loving Quran instead. That alone made me choose what I actually love over any religion and god. I got heavy into science by 15, and I remember a friend telling me to not dive too deep into it or I'll end up an atheist (lmao), but I didn't care and kept getting into physics, astrophysics, biology and evolution the most, causing me to discover the big bang theory and the origin of species which to me made more sense than all the bullshit they told us at school. Then I discover nihilism and other philosophical schools which helped me balance my thoughts better, and I eventually "left" the religion that I wasn't even a part of to begin with. I got happier and stress free ever since then. I can enjoy whatever I want with 0 guilt and feel slightly normal. The misogyny and unfairness towards women made me also doubt and hate the religion even more, and I got into feminist stuff online that exposed and criticized the religion for what it is, which helped affirm my decision even more. I also stumbled upon "The Delusion of God" by Richard Dawkins which was a fun read, lol. There was a local writer who used to be a sheikh but after debating atheist, he turned into one because he got convinced of their points, and his books are also very satisfying. He had to flee the country eventually and died in a foreign country, but at least he died free.
No. 2479158
>>2478632>parents are fine with you lusting after kafir menNot at all. But I would rather they believe that I am unsuccessfully lusting after white guys who are not attracted to women who look like me than find out that I am a lesbian.
Nobody can tell I’m not straight not even queer people.
No. 2479235
>>2469511it's unlikely she's going to leave. women are less likely to become atheists; the social programming and childhood indoctrination, pressure to believe and raise children into the faith, and fear of isolation if they leave is much stronger than it is for men. talking about marriage young is a red flag, i don't think you can overtly change her mind though. you could vouch for libtard muslima girlboss behavior perhaps, or be a "bad", loose muslim but do not bring up doubts. i'm raised in the west and most of my female peers here are more culturally muslim and won't say they're disbelievers, though a few women (more unconventional) honestly told me they don't really believe but will never openly say it. you can probably guide her to have better standards in men and that they aren't shit, like share stories like "someone i know was almost set up with this guy, but he followed a bunch of models on instagram" (kek this happened to my sister) or "istagfirullah, did you hear how many muslim men still watch pornography?"
the thing is, she's not necessarily wrong that marriage is "freeing" for women, because they can leave their parents home and they are no longer seen as a worry for their parents because they don't need to obsess over her virginity. but rushing into marriage will further entrench you into being pressured into having kids and having them meet the family, raising your kids being micromanaged by your parents, etc. Maybe you could encourage her to do well and choose a genuinely good man for a husband for the sake of her children or some shit. sorry i'm not that helpful, i feel sad reading your post and hearing your distress.
No. 2480140
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>>2475724meanwhile muslims
No. 2480636
>>2479710There’s a good chance you will get disowned for marrying a non Muslim man but there is also the possibility they will accept you once time has passed.
It’s completely joever for me once my parents find out I’m a homosexual but I’m willing to repress my sexuality for the time being because it’s nice having my family and a connection to people of my ethnic background in my life.
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>>2447613Well he wasn’t the only one as it was universal. Princess isabella got married at age 8. John A MacDonald married a 10 year old. Gassy jack married a 12 year old native girl . Conquistadors too k girls as young as 8.
Moids did this in all cultures until pretty recently now that it’s taboo. Just look at modeling , anime ,manga,tv, movies today so many of the girls being sexualized are far from 18. We even celebrated sweet 16 and quincinareas to this day. Back in the 90s your average teen didn’t wear inappropriate clothes like today. It’s like moids are still getting their rocks off knowing full well they can’t touch them
I don’t believe any moid that says he likes older women. Given the chance they’ll go younger . It’s in their cave man dna
There was a Swedish documentary on this called brainwashed
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I hate muzzie moids. Context thiisMuslims girl at a Korean airport were roughly bumped into by a large old Korean scrote. Then the old man started to yell and act aggressive towards them. This is the comment with the most amount of likes. That Korean scrote would’ve still acted the same way regardless if another moid was with those girls . Mahrams don’t do shit but reinforce misogynistic ideology known as Islam. Funny though that most women are likely to be murdered or assaulted by moids they know rather than moids outside their family. In so many honor killing cases it’s literally male relatives who kill their wives,daughters, and sisters. So much for protection.
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>>2486037Most American states allow child marriage and pretty sure polygamy is practiced in Utah, There’s fucked up parts about America too.
No. 2486093
>>2486066>Why are so many muslims moving to non-muslim countries and spreading woman-hating culture?It's what it's always been: money, economic opportunity (the educated immigrants, usually less religiously extreme, can get richer and the extremely poor ones can still have a better standard of living), and political instability/corruption in their homeland governments. The super religious will call westerners kafirs and not socialize, living in multigenerational households but that can be better than back home with even worse options.
>We already lost roe v wade and now there are swathes of muslim scrotes and their handmaidens moving into the country, it's horrifying.Most Muslims vote blue because they see Republicans as racists who hate them. They're not responsible for the American religious right that lead to Roe v. Wade's demise. The American religious right and manosphere is influenced and wants Islamic-country conditions here, but they do hate Muslims at the end of the day. Muslims in politics are usually democrats. Indians are trending more towards the Republican party.
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>>2486153I call mandela effect or pedobased internet scrubbing tbh
No. 2486172
>>2486145This is why I'm not looking to the west when considering places to escape racial oppression. If anything the next World War will result in civil battles and mass deportations. And the main people to blame are the mass amount of religious muslims that decided to not assimilate.
>>2486154>>>And if the United States government didn’t destabilize a fuck ton of countries there wouldn’t be so much immigration."This line of thinking is still hostile to the countries you want to enter and only justifies my fear of immigrants from Muslim majority countries. Where is this line of thinking for the countries that are on the Asian and African continents that overtook each other and enslaved civilians? Not to mention this still doesn't justify moving into our countries and spreading islam. In fact plenty of the immigrants moving to the west and making influential decisions on laws come from wealthy families. They are actively choosing to make things worse for the women and children who had nothing to do with the actions of men because we are not them. Because we were foolish enough to have empathy for a group of people who literally follow a religion that justifies raping non-believing women.
And regarding the cruelty of Western colonizers only we(women) are going to be harmed for decisions we had little to power to influence.
Western men will just go along and get to indulge in pedophilia and enslaved wives. This mindset that we "owe you" is purely a religious power play to guilt trip Non-muslim women into letting violent cancers destroy their lives.
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>>2486172What Muslim politicians in the United States are making things worse for women. I’m only aware of the Muslim women in the House of Representatives like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib who lean very left and have never used their power to go after women’s rights. I just looked this up there’s only 5 Muslim politicians and they’ re all Democrats. None of them are against women’s right in the slightest. Just like it was stated earlier it’s American born Christian fundamentalist who vote against women’s rights and played a part in dismantling Roe v Wade.
No. 2486189
>>2486145>nta but things weren't this bad for at least a decade ago, my dad tells me he's "worried for the muslims in Europe"I'm talking from an American perspective, I'm not as familiar with Europe's situation except a lot has to do with Europe bringing in poor, less educated refugees vs. America filtering for educated and richer immigrants, and Americanization is a stronger force because we are a country of immigrants. I do know the UK specifically is super fucked because of the economic state of the country and housing crisis, as well as the ethnic enclaves and grooming gangs where both the grooming gangs and UK cops saw the rape
victims as subhuman.
>what muslim men don't understand is the only reason they can pull their shit is because they live in liberal society'sThese Muslim men know this but don't care and actively enjoy taking advantage of it, if Muslim men stuck to abusing their own instead of outsider women (like other extremely
abusive and controlling religious groups, like the Amish) they wouldn't get this much outside hate. But crimes like the grooming gangs and harassment of white women is publicizing their evil (natural as most white people won't be intimately familiar with abuse dynamics in Muslim-majority cultures).
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>>2486215Think it’s coincidental, as Christian Africans have a younger birth rate. There wasn’t a swarm of immigration until now due to americas 20 year war on terror
We talk of ptsd soldiers but not mentally fucked up civilians coming over.
But it’s basically the “fate of empires” by John sir glubb. The west basically had its 500+ year reign and now it’s the decline
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>>2486066Keep in mind their western born kids aren’t gonna be as strict as their parents but the way liberal values are they aren’t gonna subscribe to it either.
Wests birth rates have been falling since the 70s after the pills invention and women finally able to work , divorce and have bank account. But in order to pay for our retirement, disabled , free healthcare etc. we need tax payers .
So migration is needed , we had Latinos and Asians but now that they have fallen that leaves india Middle East and Africa left to pick up the slack.
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>>2486299>migration is neededIt literally isn't. Just because there is land or spaces not filled by the current population doesn't mean we have to fill it with people who literally refuse to assimilate to the culture that made the country advance in the first place. If anything the world needs to be down-scaling on the first world population to decrease pollution and over consumption that leads to toxins overrunning manufacturing countries.
If it were reverse and North America, Europe and East Asia were overfilled with people who were migrating to the global south without assimilating the tune you have would be completely reversed and we know it. After all Muslims are
victims until they're the majority and then everyone has to follow their customs or risk physical harm.
(derailing) No. 2486412
>>2486405And how did this line of thinking benefit the U.K, Germany, France, or Dearborn Michigan? This weird "owing" that we seem to have to a religion and culture of people who only want to use our countries for monetary gain is literally a counter to the reason of letting them in.
I have no issue for women who want to escape Islamic countries and assimilate with ours, it's the fact that most of the time it's their ugly scraggly bearded scrote cousins and handmaiden wives who seem to migrate here.
(derailing) No. 2486438
>>2486418>Nta but kek imagine a westoid country saying this before destabilising and destroying your country This annoys me to no end, there are about as many muslim countries pay-pigging the west than those who have been occupied and destabilized. Egypt and Saudi are two that come to mind. And the Muslims who have committed the most horrific crimes in western countries, like the Pakistanis in the UK, come from countries that were for a long time propped up as western allies.
Even the secularized muslims come into the west blaming the west for everything. Are you really going to tell me your people bear absolutely no responsibility for the state of your own countries? Saudi Petro-Islam, Ba'athist nonsense and dumb shit like the Iran Iraq war are entirely of your own doing.
(derailing) No. 2486446
>>2486418Would it not make more sense for that country to just ban westerners and protect its people instead of trying to extract the other but with less resources?
I'm lost on how your comment doesn't justify my point. Muslims and co. are deliberately moving to the west to spread Islam, extract wealth from the common people(regardless of if those people had direct power in what their country's government had done) and harm the women and children. We're not getting women who moved here to build a life after their village was blown up by foreign soldiers. We're getting the vengeful sons and daughters deeply brainwashed by their religion who only view the natives of the country they go to as lesser beings who will suffer and their descendants may be prosecuted against or harmed once Muslims grow enough in population to influence the laws.
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>>2486446>country to just ban westerners and protect its peoplebecause the west is known to respect other countries laws and totally doesnt invade under the guise of "freedom" and doesn't rape brown children and women at all and definitely doesnt arm the same extreme fundamentalists(even the white ones) which in turn ruin both sides at alllll.
(derailing)