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No. 774141
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Lets talk about the origins of islam
After Jesus died and his cult grew far and wide throughout the Roman Empire and its surrounding areas, there were a lot of "interpretations" of what exactly Jesus was, he was a a savior but was he just a man, a God, the manifestation of god, the son of god, an essence of god e.t.c however the one interpretation that ended up being adopted by the Roman state was Nicene Creed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_CreedFrom that point on it was the Trinitarian belief that was accepted by the Roman State, Jesus being the son of god and the holy spirt aspect, but non-Trinitarian sects did exist and were often persecuted, the 2 most popular of these sects being the Arian and Nestorian christian sects, Arianism was common in northern Africa, Spain and and even Northern Europe, while Nestorianism spread Eastward into the Persian Empire, Central Asia and even on the fringe borders of China and as well as Arabia, now the Quran does mention Christians but identifies them as being Trinitarian and following a form of the Trinity literally no one followed, Jesus, God and Mary and that absolutely would not have been the case, at that point you would likely only meet a non-Trinitarian Arab christian in that region
now lets go the early Islamic conquests, now you see for 26 years the Byzantines and Persians were caught in bloody war lasting 24 years, Egypt was in ruins and the mesopotamia was devastated,
When the Arabs invaded the Romans did outnumber Arabs . But it wasn't 7 to 1. Those numbers mostly come from later Arab sources, which claim that the Romans had armies as large as 150,000 or even 200,000
However, this is very obviously preposterous, since the Romans were unable to raise even 30,000 during Justinian's reconquest just a 100 years before the Islamic conquests. So them claiming that they could raise 200,000 troops after an exhausting 26 year war against the Persians, is ridiculous. After defeating the Roman army at Yarmouk, the Muslims had basically a free pass to take as much land as he wanted, since they had destroyed the only proper Roman army at Yarmouk, and the Romans were unable to raise more troops to stop them but then local involvement is also a factor
It's likely that the Arain Christians would have seen the early Muslims as being closer to their theology then the Eastern Romans, and the Eastern Romans themself up until the 10th century referred to the Islamic states as being nothing more then a Christian heresy
how something seems to have happened 800-900 AD which made the caliphate rulers want to dissociate themselves from Christianity and their christian origins and differentiate Islam as a separate religion all together, The Hadiths are likely all made up and promoted by the state, if we remove them and leave only the Quran we end up with basically just a non-Trinatarian Arabized religious book
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No. 774239
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It may seem kinda unimportant but you know what was the initial thing that really just destroyed my faith in Islam, Language
I'm from a non-Arabic speaking country and like all non-Arab Muslims Arabic is venerated here, its considered a holy perfect language that has always existed, the language of Heaven its self is Arabic in Islam
And that never made any sense to me, nearly all of Gods prophets were Jews who spoke in Hebrew and Jesus spoke in Aramaic and suddenly Allah decides that now Arabic language above all else, and there's literally no defense Muslims have against this
Like this meme is comparing a naming convention In certain sciences to the fact that their was absolutely no reason to use Arabic
No. 774306
>>774220Think about how good it is for you in the long run.
>It’s going to be weird not fasting this ramadan.Do you live in a Muslim country or not? If not then treat yourself to some nice food.
No. 774318
>>774241>>774311I mean the historical Jesus was in all likelyhood a Jewish preacher and the Historical Muhammad was in all likelyhood an Arab Christian preacher
Feel bad for the real life Muhammad, he would have been digested to see his Christian sect separate to its own very Arab centric religion
No. 778590
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Reminder that the Niqab(that black trash bag) originated from Saudi Arabia in the 20th Century and the more fashionable all around Hijab you see libfem Muslims wear came from Egypt during the 90's
Islam is not our actual culture or traditional values
No. 778636
>>778635> I'd be less worried about her "surviving" and more worried about her going AWOL into a country where she may be isolated and controlled by an abuser who lured her there with fine promises. My apologies, thats what I meant by surviving, along with the fact how sheltered this woman is. The problem with her she is so desperate to live in a different country to make herself look "special" and brag about being a wife that she decided to cling onto some Muslim kid who is as sheltered as her, with adding of a philosophy from a man who claims that women should do nothing but sit at home and make children. That taking into account the fact that this guy is as sheltered as her, just much younger; he too does nothing but plays Overwatch at home and lets parent do all the cleaning and cooking without ever going outside.
The issue with her Is that she doesn't even have university education because of her own laziness, which is why I am concerned over her, a white woman deciding to start dating a teenager who is from an ENTIRELY different culture. How are the families in Saudi Arabia? Are they the same as in Philippines, where son is controlled by being mommy's boy?
No. 778638
>>778635Not that anon, but I want to ask a similar question (if you would be so kind).
My sister is married to a Saudi Arabian man and she’s talked for years about going over there for a second wedding ceremony or to visit with their child, but somehow it never happens.
I feel like he is probably avoiding the trip because my sister is white.
I’m kind of relieved she hasn’t gone over there, I don’t know if this is me being racist or if something bad could happen by them visiting?
I don’t know if she could “behave”. He doesn’t practice being Muslim (unbeknownst to his family) and she’s not Muslim at all, but she would wear hijab to be respectful at least.
No. 778639
>>778636Woah woah nta
But she’s almost 30 trying to date a teenager??
No. 778651
>>778638Honestly I can tell you that Sadui's are absolute shitheads with delusional beliefs of superiority, they treat their fellow Muslims like subhumans
https://archive.is/un6Mq
>Pakistani’s Are Our Slaves’ says Saudi Defence Minister
>Tanveer Arain posted a quote on Twitter, which shows the Defence minister referring to Pakistan as a slave country and saying that it will continue to remain a slave of Saudi Arabia forever.>The quote also said: “Pakistani Muslims grow beards to look good like us, but they look like they’ve come straight from the forest.”
Islam is built on Arab cultural Supermaacy, all non Arab cultures and peoples are inferior in the eyes of Islam and the only way a people become civilized is by embracing the faith of Islam and culturally castrate themselves into becoming like Arabs
No. 778688
Only just noticed this thread, I'm really glad it's here. I've already talked about my situation on other threads before but I'd like to have your input as well.
I still live in a muslim majority country but I'm planning to leave soon. I don't know what to do about my family. I love them to bits, they're wonderful people and despite being religious, they never tried forcing me to pray or wear the hijab. But I'm a lesbian atheist and I just can't stand this double life anymore. I know a lot of exmuslims tend to go no-contact like anon here
>>774220 but I don't know if I want to do that. I know it would destroy my mother for one, and that's the last thing I want to happen. Is anyone else in a similar situation? How did you handle it? If you keep your life secret, how do you deal with things like visits and events?
No. 779010
>>778590Not to sperg too much, but putting India instead of Bangladesh as the other Muslim-majority S Asian country is just lmao, and then on top of that using a woman in a wedding attire that is still very much worn by all South Asian women regardless of faith as the example is also odd. The Pakistani outfit it more accurate for all 3 countries and it is still commonly worn. Sorry, I've seen this meme thousands of times and it always struck me as odd. Also the irony in that the shalwar kameez (Pakistan's outfit) being a result of Islamic presence in the subcontinent afaik.
I'm a relatively privileged ex-Muslim in the sense that I have never truly followed the religion and my family doesn't give a shit that I don't pray, read the Qu'ran, or fast. It is pretty nice, but since I'm still in school I have to live with my parents and won't get to ~really~ live my lifestyle until professional school. I think what irritates me the most are the haram police type Muslims because you know 100% these retards have their own double life. They always do. Liberal/less practicing Muslims should piss me off in theory, but if the popularity of these types at the very least challenges the retarded orthodox lifestyle or presents an alternative for Muslims then Idc. I'd rather have progressive religious hypocrites then actual orthodox followers, because several generations of "practicing Muslim only on Eid" will lead to the religion dying out anyways kek
No. 779077
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>>779010I mean here's the thing, I despise Liberal/woke Muslims then I do most Pakistani fundamentalists
I'm sure if you're Pakistan you know the majority of the country still lives under fucking feudalism, the people are poor and illiterate and have no prospects of a better life and they have absolutely no reference for an outside system
parents often send their extra sons to madrasas where they get beaten to memorize the Quran in Arabic without even actually knowing the language and these filtrate religiously indoctrinated peasants often end up as Jihadists, so I have some sympathy for them
I don't have any sympathy for the upper middle class libfem Muslim in the west who talks about how totes woke Islam is and how oppressive the entire world is against poor Muslims uwu
No. 779264
>>779255Doesnt it depends on regions? I remember the Malaysia president sperging months ago on twitter because of something Emmanuel Macron said and he was like "we're tolerant and have a diverse population, everyone gets along with each other in Malaysia" but then he sais some crazy shit that made it hard to believe. I've been told Liban is pretty open-minded as a whole but it's the exception and the rest of the Middle East and Pakistan is just fucked up and they even treat non-Arab muslims like shit because they're not good enough or something.
From my family's observation abroad they told me that there are a few Christians and Jews in north africa who just never converted to Islam during the invasion centuries ago and in Algeria and Morocco things are more or less ok, but you can be fined if you eat in public during Ramadan before it's night. Not sure how that's applied, I've read a news articles years ago about some family in Kabylie (maybe in Bejaia) doing a BBQ in their own garden and being fined, no idea if they were targeted for being non-muslims specifically or because maybe they're Kabyle separatists (very unlikely since it was just over a BBQ, who knows). If any Moroccan or Algerian anon can correct me if I'm wrong that'd be cool though.
No. 779278
>>779255in my country there are 5000-9000 yearly targeted rape and forced marriages cases every single year
basically Pakistani men decide to cleanse the nation by targeting the few non-Muslim minorities we have (Christian, Sikhs, Hindus and even Shia and Ahmedhi Muslims) they abduct and rape the women of these communities, specifically young girls and force them to convert to Islam and once they legally became Muslim they can't go back, cause Pakistan has a death penalty if a Muslim converts to any other religion or irreligion, according to the UN around 5000-9000's of these marriage conversions happen every single year, and not once has our Prime minister has even addressed this, no instead that old ugly scrote talks about Islamophobia in France or the evils of western media
No. 779517
>>779278>no instead that old ugly scrote talks about Islamophobia in FranceWhen will people learn that the "islamophobia" in France is just generalized racism that's applied to north africans regardless of their religion? Your prime minister probably thinks this whole kidnapping and forced marriage situation is normal or even a good thing anyway, given how strict Pakistan seems. He should mind his own business.
>>779487That reminds me of the discussion in the unpopular opinions thread. In France that's exactly how it is, at least in theory. The law is specifically made in mind for Muslims though because women wearing the hijab is way more obvious than women wearing a small pendant of a cross that she could hide under her shirt, I barely see an jewish person wearing anything specifically jewish outside of very specific situations during their free time like when they celebrate holidays, and nobody gives a fuck about religions that aren't the three abrahamic ones or could even recognize potential accessories or clothing articles.
On the other hands these past few years some holidays' name are being more and more often replaced with more neutral names, I've seen some company emails talking about spring break instead of easter holidays recently. Are there any other countries where it's applied that way?
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>>779517>>779278Honestly the PM of my country is the biggest hypocritical bastard in our political history, he's also the most perfect example of a dumbass woke Muslim
He grew up uber privileged, Rich enough for his family to send him to Oxford and was a notorious Playboy in his youth(slept with probably close to a Hundred Non Muslim foreign women) he was the Captain of the Pakistan Cricket Team so he was megastar and lived a hedonistic playboy lifestyle, he was Married 3 separate times and is known to have multiple unclaimed bastard children
but in his mid 40's he had a religious epiphany and turned towards Allah and religion and has become a Edrogan supported recently(as most Urban Pakistani men have)
No. 779570
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>>779551Ew anon I'm so sorry. Is there a chance to oust him out of power? A lot of Middle Eastern men are roasting him for this statement but I don't know if men in Pakistan would really care considering it just gives them more power over women.
No. 780680
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>Muhammad: Every man should have a beard and not having a beard is a literal sin for men
Did Muhammad not know that the majority of the human population can't grow beards, South East Asians, Sub Saharan Africans, Indigenous Americans all just can't grow beards, like if I was a black Muslim man I'd leave the faith over this
No. 781088
>>780940Lmfao anon.
But yeah, no surprise that a religion founded in the Arabian peninsula during the 7th century would reflect exactly that. Too bad other muzzies don't get this.
No. 782080
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All the major cities in my country are suffering from mass riots right now, cause a Islamist leader who wanted to remove the French embassy from Pakistan(cause of the recent Hijab ban) got arrested and now his hundreds of thousands of followers and other Islamists from across Pakistan are acting a bunch of animals literally ruining the lives of everyday people
No. 782208
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Have you thought of al-Lat and al-‘Uzza
and Manat, the third, the other?
These are the exalted gharaniq, whose intercession is hoped for.
Happy Ramadan, ladies.
No. 782572
>>782080Reminds me of a pic, there was a comparison of a barely a hundred people protesting a motorway rape case other were people protesting wanting to declare Shia kafirs and there were around 200'000+ people plus protesting
I mean there's really no hope for Pakistan is there
No. 782573
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>>782572found the pic, I mean just compare the 2 its staggering
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god i wish pic was me. so mucb homework to do but i want to eat and didn't stash away enough food in my room.
>>782087not somali myself but I'm so sorry man. wtf is up with them jfc seeing somali exmuslims talk on twitter the culture seems absolutely fucked.
No. 789438
>>789397The thing is Neo-Nazis aren't a global threat, or even a minor threat
There aren't Hundreds of Nazi Coalitions thoughtout Asia, Africa and Europe that commit acts of Terror or full out civil war
neo-Nazis aren't beheading children in Moazambique cause they dont believe in an Arab Pedophile God, they aren't mass raping and killing Shia Muslim and Ahmediiyah Muslims
Liberals need to get it through their heads that Islam is the a far worst threat and social desease then any strand of white supremacy or nationalism in the world, it is reform proof and has oppression of others tied into its very foundation
No. 789455
>>789438Liberals will never get it through their thick skulls if they don’t even believe ex Muslims, or people who have been terrorised in Muslim dominated countries. They scoff at any mention of Muslim abuse towards Christians, because Christians are all white and evil and homophobic in their opinion. They need to read a book, for crying out loud. Muslim extremists embody everything they hate: greed, coloniser mindset, sexism, racism, homophobia, anti religious freedom etc. Europe should be a safe haven for people who want to escape the oppressive hell of Islam, while still practicing their religion and worshipping as is their god given right. But no, the problem is spreading all over the world like mould. All religions adapt to the changes of the modern world, but these extremists refuse, and kill anyone who tries. They are stuck in the medieval era.
No. 789513
>>789455A great Pakistani scientist in my country(who in all likelihood is a closet achiest) talked about this, for Muslims its a delusional belief that the reason they were colonized and conquered was cause they weren't Islamic enough, a delusion that all Inventions and innovations were actually Islamic, A cultural narcissism that far-surpasses any form of Euro-Centrism
Here's the article
>PETRO-GIANT countries of the Arab world may not be terribly well known for perspicacious scholarship or prowess in scientific research but their one-upmanship knows no limits.
>The United Arab Emirates is presently stealing the show: the Emirates Mars Mission’s successful July 2020 launch means it will rendezvous with the Red Planet in six months; UAE cities have spectacular skylines premiering the worlds’ tallest and most stunning buildings; and the world’s top airline is called Emirates. There’s every kind of futuristic gimmickry: the world’s first minister of artificial intelligence, 27-year-old Sultan Al Olama, was just appointed under UAE’s Centennial 2071 plan.
>Close on UAE’s heels are other GCC countries with Saudi Arabia having started the construction of Neom, a futuristic megacity deep in the desert bordering the Red Sea. Costing $500 billion upward, it will feature artificial rain, a fake moon, robotic maids, flying taxis, and holographic teachers. Qatar plans to spend over $220bn while hosting the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Twelve solar-cooled super-stadiums holding around 50,000 spectators each are nearing completion.
>Private scorn accompanies these humongous public spectacles. What’s Arab about all this? Expats flown in from around the globe run the show. They range from domestic servants to truck drivers and from famous architects to top-of-the-line space-travel engineers. The relationship is purely transactional: petrodollars buy brains, brawn and gadgets.
>Arab and Pakistani cultures remain self-congratulatory even eight centuries after Islam’s Golden Age ended.
>But, knowing the oil will eventually dry out, some GCC Arab rulers are realising that theirs is a road to nowhere. Beating the drum of past glories and education of the usual religious kind will doom them to remain consumers and supplicants. And so, at least at first glance, they seem to be doing everything right and are throwing tons of money at it.
>Education from the primary class to university is free in all state institutions. New Arab universities are aplenty with several US universities having Arab campuses to which famous foreign professors are lured with incredible pay packages. Laboratories are stuffed with scientific equipment and every kind of infrastructure is there for the asking.
>Is it working? Has a culture of learning and scholarship developed? Nature, a highly respected science journal, has effusive praise. A recent article in its Middle Eastern edition, ‘The Rise of Saudi Arabia as a Science Powerhouse’ describes Saudi Arabia as “West Asia’s second most scientifically productive country after Israel”. Other GCC countries have shot up in world rankings as well. The sole criterion used is the number of research papers published from universities.
>But with 20 different ways of getting your name onto a paper in the internet age, and with foreign visitors flown in just for lending their prestigious names to a paper, making large claims based upon small evidence is unwise. Nature’s normal objectivity was likely influenced by political and financial considerations. The astonishing conclusion of “science powerhouse” is unsupported by other evidence.
>Unesco’s Science Report, for example, was far more cautious. It observed that in most Arab countries, “the education system is still not turning out graduates who are motivated to contribute to a healthier economy”. University professors returning from teaching stints in GCC countries agree. They complain about the indifference, apathy, poor work ethic, and lack of curiosity among their students. Reading habits are undeveloped. Most students opt for ‘soft’ areas like marketing, banking and management with few going for more intellectually demanding and rigorous disciplines.
>At the heart of this is Arab attitudes towards knowledge and learning. Centuries after the end of Islam’s Golden Age (9th to 13th centuries), Arab culture is self-absorbed and centred on self-congratulation. Convinced that it possesses the only true religion and that Arabic is the most perfect language, it claims eternal monopoly over truth. That’s narcissism on a civilisational scale.
>Narcissus, as the reader knows, is a Greek legendary figure who fell deliriously in love with himself and disdained all around him. In anger the goddess Nemesis punished him by obsessing him with his reflection in the stream. So lovely was the bloom of his youth that he could not walk away from himself. And so Narcissus wasted away and died.
>A similar tragedy befalls cultures lost in self-love. They lose vitality because there is little desire to interact and mingle with other peoples or to move with the times. Many young Arabs today take this lazy route. They disdain intellectual pursuits, thinking that modern accomplishments are only a pale reflection of the foundational works of their Muslim ancestors.
>This is delusionary. Science and learning came from all humankind and existed in civilisations long preceding Islam. Ancient Babylonian and Egyptian science started 3,000 to 4,000 years ago and the Chinese, Indian and Greek civilisations were extremely fertile as well. Relatively speaking, science in Islam was a latecomer that began with the translation of Greek works about 150 years after the death of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). Muslims added many new and brilliant ideas but their science is just one part of pre-modern science.
>Some signs of hope are finally emerging in the Arab world. The abject failure to modernise — except very superficially — is making GCC countries realise that insularity won’t work. Several are moving up the learning curve and absorbing universal values by allowing wider media access and more personal freedoms for citizens, particularly for women. While the trend towards recognising Netanyahu’s Israel smacks of defeatism and sells out Palestinian interests, the decrease in anti-Semitic propaganda augurs well for all.
>Bucking progressive trends in the Arab world, Pakistan is busy manufacturing new narcissistic illusions. Lacking the will to address urban chaos (as in Karachi) or to generate significant employment, it seeks solace through concocting a Turkic-Islamic past and heaping adoration upon the fictionalised Ertugrul drama series. Now watched daily by millions, it is a new form of escapism.
>Evidence for a further closing of the Pakistani mind is starkly visible. Absent from our school curriculum is the study of world history, philosophy, epistemology, or comparative religions. In PTI’s Single National Curriculum, rote learning has massively increased, as has religious content. The brains of our schoolchildren are being programmed for a world other than the one they live in. No. 790185
>>790177I mean the only guy I've been with as is a Kurdish Ashiest, even then I get harassed by Pakistani guys for being a "western whore"
Muslim men literally kill their daughters, cousins and sisters if they dare to be with any type of non-Muslim guy
I have broken off contact with my family and live in another city, my brother's cool with it, my dad doesn't wanna talk to me(which is for the best) and my mom literally is just emotionally blackmailing me and sometimes violent
some of my cousins Pakistan and even in the UK however would literally kill me, the penality for leaving Islam is Death
In Pakistan the state literally kill you if you take another religion other then Islam, tell me one on-Muslims country that has this legal state mandated Punishment
No. 791907
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>>789513>our one and only ideology is Islam. We do not subscribe to other ideologies like Marxism or Liberalism because Islam is a total package that covers every area of our lives and both Liberalism and Marxism are unreconcilable with Islamic views.>all man-made ideologies and forms of government conflict with Allah's words. Someone got mad at me for saying you can't be Muslim and Feminist at the same time due to Islam being the only source of true justice. They called me a salafi for saying that.This is the ultimate problem with the Islam, it and Muslims see Islam as being perfect, It can't fathom using other philosophies or other world views to improve its self, Muslims around the world actually believe that 7th Century Arabia under the rule of Muhammad was the most Ideal and perfect society on earth, so adult men could marry children, adult men could have multiple wives, they could have a Harem, they were allowed to legally beat their wives and you could cut someone's hands for stealing and Muslims have to believe that this was the perfect society even down to the economics and how state government be handled, this is why I'm fine with the Chinese colonizing with the Muslim world cause they know that Islam is a stupid illogical religion and I hope that they suppresses it
No. 792445
>>791056I mean it's new as in it is within living history for many older women who remember it not existing and then suddenly it did. My grandma never heard of it in her youth and never wore it, yet my youngest aunt (her youngest child) grew up with it in the early 2000s as wahabism grew in our country. In just one generation, it became normalized.
It does have some real historical roots, but it was culturally revived in the 20th century across the globe. It's not a new thing in human history, but it wasn't as prevalent as it is now today.
No. 793002
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Exiled Iranian feminist discussing the UN’s election of Islamic Republic of Iran to its commission on the status of women. as well talking about European Feminists who leave Muslim women behind
https://twitter.com/AlinejadMasih/status/1385545480210456576 No. 793017
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What do you anons think of european media like these? Stories of girls leaving/surviving islamic regimes? Do they do it properly or are they too romanticized?
No. 793033
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>>791056where are all the burkhas in traditional indian art? where are the burkhas in ancient egypt? and so on
No. 793034
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>>791056also, here's iran before the revolution.
No. 793035
>>793017there are Muslim women who survived all the bullshit of extreme Islamic extremism portrayed in Bredwinner and Swallows of Kabul
However I relate mostly to Persepolis, the lynchian banality of living in a country that's stable in a sense i.e not in Civil war, has laws and a working government but where women will be state mandatory be raped before being executed and thieves get their arms cut off, where native and even foreign culture is suppressed to make room for the 7th Century Arabia
No. 793079
>>793056I'm not from the Middle East and neither is my Husband, were both from Pakistan
however I'm Balti(Tibetic people living in Pakistan) and my Husband is Afridi Pashtun, most people don't assume were born middle eastern people or Pakistani
most people assume I'm East Asian and that my Husband is Polish, both of our features, I mean race is varied in the middle east, then just what are considered brown people
No. 793095
>>793079I was answering specifically about the region anon mentioned, Pakistan and India seems to have people who can have very different looks from what I've seen and they're not Arabs so there's that.
When I was in Japan I had a lot of Indians and Pakistanis who thought I was one of them, they all had varied skin colors and facial features, and as for myself I look stereotypically Moroccan so who knows how they tried to guess. Some Japanese guys also couldn't guess correctly where I was from but in that case I doubt they think about Maghreb as a whole when they see tanned foreigners first. My black, Caraibean friend showed pictures of me to an Indian coworker who was sure I was Indian, but my friend thought I was white just because I was kinda pale and she never saw any north Africans before me. Usually when I see weird inaccurate comparisons or people guessing wrong it's just because they're exposed to certain stereotypes or aren't that familiar with the other person's culture or country.
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>>793095both Pakistan and India are meme nations, the founders of the Pakistan were not even from the regions from modern day Pakistan, not 1% of the population spoke Urdu but it was chosen as the nation language cause of the founders of the Pakistan spoke it, Pakistan was basically the Idealized society of a bunch upper class Muslim men who envisioned a perfect society where people would give up their national languages, cultures and identities and just be Muslims, (they were wrong and we the state ended up committing an ethnic genocide)
The Nation is literally kept together by Islam and that's it, without Islamic Identity we'd end up like Yugoslavia times x100, cause even with Islam we still all hate each other and should never have been in one country in the first place
No. 793133
>>793056>pale as fuckyes and no, most Italians are definitely unequivocally white but they're also distinctly "darker" than northern europeans
t. italian of irish descent who constantly gets asked if I'm foreign bc of my complexion
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>>793160I mean most Italian American actors who have lived their entire lives New York look like they could pass for middle eastern imo, I mean James Gandolfini looks like my Punjabi Father just without the beard
No. 793201
>>793043This is so true, and sjws had spergouts when the movie prince of persia had white dudes casted as persians because they thought persians were supposed to be arab (lmao).
Ive seen a lot of persians who could pass as spanish/greek etc or even just a regular ass white person.
No. 793667
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Vent about my brother
My brother used to have same doubts about Islam as I had, he was the person I confided in but then something happened, he did leave mainstream Sunni Islam and became a devout follower of Ali al-Sistani(A very Influential and very old shia Cleric in Iraq)
now every action in his life is decided by the sayings and writings of a 90 year old man and his devotion is Insane, he has s ring with Sistani's face and he kisses on it, he started cutting himself on Ashura cause Sistani said cutting yourself "lightly" is a valid form of appreciation for Imam Hussein
Its fanatical and it pisses off everyone, me and my parents cause he Insults Abu Bakr and Umar
No. 793714
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>>793667NSFW/NSFL this is what cutting yourself on Ashura looks like
Shia Muslim men go out on the streets and mutilate themselves, they slash their backs with knives, they cut their heads with swords sometimes literal boys are forced to do this and even some women partake in this in their homes, they beat their chests for tens of minutes until their red and bleeding
and all of this is just to mourn a dead Shia saint
No. 793759
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>>793714for those who don't know, the defining event of Shia Islam was the execution of Hussein ibn Ali
The Grandson of Muhammad, he was betrayed, executed and and all his friends and loved friends were killed right before his eyes, the themes of sacrifice parallel with certain sects of Christianity but even more extreme
it eventually leads to a form of holy self mutilation called Tatbir(google it if you dare, NSFL content) to remember him and thus become closer to Allah
to destroy and mutilate ones own body to gain closeness with God
No. 793766
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>>793764there were certain extreme sects of Christians that have performed ritual holy mutation, priests and monks in the Orthodox still perform ritual flagellation, pic related is a man who crucifies himself to form closeness with god
but nothing really Trumps Shia Islam's mutation rituals
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>>793759>>793714Shia Punjabi Women Performing The Ritual, they don't go as extreme as the men, they beat their chest to the point of tears and cut their wrists but usually nothing more then that
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x61q5xb No. 793772
>>793764catholics in latin america (mostly famously mexico) and some parts of the philippines will reenact the crucifixion/torture of christ every easter with the works, bloody people up on crosses real thorn crowns and others will carry crosses after being beaten bloody with barbed whips and do all this other crazy shit
I think ritual mutilation might just be a thing that humans just do
No. 794425
>>794414Are you Punjabi by any chance ? cause this happens a lot within Punjab
Ashura is worse as I've witnessed it with my own eyes, the multination men do is vomit educing, while the women do what you described but to an even more insane extent
screaming the name of Hussein, beating themselves in the breast area, hitting themselves in the fact and all in a general mad state
No. 795314
>>795211Most are mild, yeah, there are some with extreme views, but it's not even about that, these specific women I saw, many of them live westernized lives, they're just deeply religious, or in many cases desperate, many of them had chronic illnesses that nothing could cure so they came to believe it was a jinn. Like, one of them arrived in a brand new Audi wearing stylish clothes, fancy watch, earrings, her hair in a bun - a complete western style woman that you would see in a Gucci boutique, and then she just put a hijab on in the hallway and went on to beat her chest an hour later and scream bloody murder. Two of the women weren't even muslims, they were Serb sisters who'd come because their family kept having misfortune, so they thought someone had jinxed them. The imam accepts everyone and anyone, it doesn't matter who you are as long as you pay. It was wild and surreal. So, it's more of a collection of desperate and unwell people who've exhausted all their possibilities rather than deep religion.
No. 795337
>>795314An exactly phenomenona happens with in my Country, mostly rural northern Punjab and Rural Sindh, lot of exorcisms of supposed Jinns, Hindus priests occasionally join in as well for extra help to exorcise the Jinn
We also have Pir Fakirs, holy saints who are supposedly blessed and are claimed to do incredible things like cure blindness, fly, talk to God directly e.t.c they have devotees and shrines built for them
However these people are rural peasants who can't even read and most middle class people don't believe in this shit, they instead try to go for more Arabized islam which they call more rational Islam, in the end I kinda have more sympathy for the rural peasants cause their peasants and can easily be manipulated, middle class Pakistanis who have knowledge about the outside the world and choose to LARP as Arabs are not any better IMO
No. 795537
>>795337Hindus priests
Jinn is an islamic belief isn't it, why do they do this
Also i thought hindus and muslims dont like each other much
No. 795561
>>795537Well in the rural areas so many pre-Islamic Indo-Aryan concepts and beliefs have mixed in with Islam that its hard to tell what's what, Hindu Brahmin priests of the upper caste usually are considered somewhat Holy by rural Muslims and are either asked for help with black magic(that people very much still believe in, in those areas) or for certain holy rituals
As for Hindu Muslim relations, the rural areas of Sindh and Punjab were so backward that most Muslims in those didnt practice Islam right and so Belief would intermix, but now more then ever with the rise of television Islamic evangelicals and even a limited online presence, these villagers learn true Islam and they've increasingly turned against their former Hindu neighbors, this is something the Pakistani government is complaint with and actually promotes to an extent
No. 795671
>>795561So whatever chance was there of coexistence is again gone
Also do hindus have black magic stuff and not just rituals
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>>795680The history of the niqab and full face veil In Pakistan is also interesting, while Muslim women of the upper class used to have full face and Body coverings, poorer rural women of the Punjab, Kashmir, Sindh wore Shalwar Kameezes for the purpose of practical work and manual labor they had to do
However for the past 50 years now, many women and even young girls are starting to wear more full face and even niqabs, this is also happening for rural woman
>>795671Pretty much, all the supposed tolerant and diverse aspects of Islam that liberals and Muslim apologists like to drag on a about, came from the fact that majority Muslims were completely ignorant to the faith, now Muslims are actually learning about the faith due to access of technology and their following Islam the way its meant to be followed
No. 795984
>>795314That's crazy.
I get it more now, it's the pay to get in type of bullshit, makes sense.
We have a lot of bosnians here and they tend to be really mild, the only hardcore practicing muslims I've met have been albanians. Straight up I know some girls that disappeared from face of the earth after marrying because their husbands don't let them leave the house anymore.
>>795486I know from personal experience, my grandma was hardcore into braco like 15 years ago kek
No. 801740
>>801734Samefag, I'm not lookin forward to Eid cause we usually have to go to our parental grandparents house and its always cramped asf, as most of the entire family is present
Its even worse on Bakra Eid cause we have to watch so many Cows get butchered, the village reeks of blood and entrails, and its even worse in the cities
No. 802821
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>>802792Name one sect of Christianity that outright states the primordial language of Heaven its self is Arabic, name one sect that states you have to only pray in one specific language only
you have to literally dress by the standards of an Arab In Islam, you have to believe that Arabs at the time of Muhammad after being converted were the greatest group of Humans who ever lived and will ever will live
Think of it like this, when a people group are converted to Christianity they are fundamentally changed but the religion its self is changed and evolves, it takes on aspects of the native peoples cultures, an example of this would be how in most Bible Translatatons people will use the Name of their former highest pre-Christian God for well God, which connects them to their pre-Christian culture, in Islam everyone calls God Allah, its not even a name, its just Arabic for "The God" but Muslims around the world will use Allah cause Islam is built on Arab supremacy
Look at pic related, Christian Nigerians vs Muslim Nigerians
No. 803064
>>802821Idk why, but I really feel like these sentiments are not totally accurate and you're giving Islam far too much credit than what it deserves. I'm not Nigerian so I cannot comment on the different cultures and ethnic groups in Nigeria and how religion influences the people. However, this Arab worship/influence shit over every single Muslim majority nation or ethnic group is being overstated in terms of practice. I'm sure Muzzies believe whatever gobblygoo about Muhammad and Arabs and whatnot, but in practice? Muslim majority countries have to some degree (depends on whatever original cultural practices a group had and I guess on region since
>>801874 mentioned how the Levant went through a lot of Arabization) mixed in their indigenous stuff with Islam. Like the anon
>>795561,
>>795337 mentioned this Arab-weeaboo attitude is a relatively recent phenomenon in Pakistan (and will inshallah die down eventually). In regards to dress, this hijab and burqa shit is also a recent phenomenon (Paki expert anon can you confirm lmao). Idk, I do not like the doomer attiude that every pre-Islamic or non-Islamic thing in Muslim majority ethnic groups is wiped out or going to be wiped out. I'm of Pakistani descent and I don't see shalwar kameez being replaced by abaya anytime soon. At best, you just see women who do war hijabs wear them with native clothing. The men are probably going to replace their shalwar kameez with western clothes rather than whatever the fuck Arab men wear. "Khuda" and "parvardigar" are also words used to refer to a god (those are Persian in origin rather than Arabic). The wedding practices are closer to Hindu Indian rather than Arabs (minus Nikkah and shit). Even some of the the misogynistic practices like jahez/dowry aren't Islamic lmao. Have Pakistani brides even demanded mahr in the past (Pak expert anon pls also confirm this lol)?
Again, this could be a regional thing. I'm sure cultures that were already misogynistic pre-Islam had no problem adopting Islam and making it work lmao. I'm interested in seeing how much this lip service to how awsum Arabs are uwu translates into actual cultural change bc I have not seen it among the Pakis I'm around.
Sage for turbo Paki sperging
No. 803126
>>803064might be unrelated since im an indofag and not middle east, but yes i agree that this "arabization" is overstated, or at least a very new phenomenon (i'm assuming its rise in popularity began with puritan sects like salafis). despite being the largest muslim population in the world, indo muzzies still retains a lot of its original hindu-buddhist traditions, because the islam that came to us in the middle ages integrated instead of eradicating local cultures
indo is becoming more and more arab-influenced though, which is sad. not sure if i should sage but just in case.
No. 803196
>>803126As a closetd ex-Muslim in Pakistan, I can't speak of other regions but this fear is not overblown, like a quarter of girls University girls wear the Niqab cause its apparently more "Islamic", and you also have WhatsApp and facebook spreading salafism and whabhism, talking about how we mispronounce words and that we should use an Arab accent for certain words
It's not just old farts that get radicalized but also young men and women
No. 804358
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This is the first day I actually did the ramadan the legit way (not a sip of water) and my mother thought I was secretly eating today because I took longer in the shower instead of immediatly showing up at eating time. Like as if I was gonna stop my routine mid-way. if I was snacking in the shower why would I do so close anyway
No. 804501
>>804497you would understand if you were a
poc from a muslim country.
unless you actually are, then gl getting rid of that brainrot.
oh and btw its kinda funny that you refer to allah, a god from an arabian religion, as unwashed considering arabs always had perfect hygiene practices and taught europeans to wash themselves.
(cc si y'a des maghrébiens ici)
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>>804475inshallah you idiots will have more than one braincell one day
No. 804733
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Any other lapsed Ahmadis on here? Feels like a pretty niche experience because they’re not exactly popular with [other] Muslims (picrel from Amnesty International)
No. 804786
I’m
>>804784 and disregard everything I said about this thread.
>>774239This meme is so great and funny tbh. Not a janny loser but this thread can stay.
No. 806917
>>806178Khair mubarak nonita. I celebrated with some butter chicken, naan, and a nice glass of wine.
I may be an atheist but I'm not going to turn down an opportunity to have fun.
No. 809622
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I hate my country and I hate Islam so fucking much
No. 818928
>>818914me too.this is why I posted her.Haven't hatewatched someone like this in a while.What I hate the most is how many people,and especially young girls, are "educated" and "inspired" by her. The shit I've seen defending her views are terrible. Her and women like her are the reason the serious issues within Islam can't be addressed and people keep suffering.
I never expected to be the person who would say "go back to your country if you like it so much" but here we are.
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sage bc idk if anyone cares,but I found the video of her saying that you aren't expected to wear a hijab in muslim countries and that they respect your lifestyle.And the "shade" she throws at France as if the law isn't for all religions
No. 823787
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From the Dumbass Shit thread, I'm sure this applies to most of us here
No. 823801
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How did you guys become ex-muzzies? I actually started doubting my faith at the grand old age of like, 11 kek. Makes sense because I got molested by the man who taught me Quran so it already fucked with my perception of religion then I discovered what atheism was on the internet and was like, 'Oh yeah, that makes sense.' and that was that. It wasn't a big deal for me. Of course, it's a secret as my mother has expressed, in seriousness, that she'd kill her child if they did not believe anymore. Plus, living in an Islamic state, it's much easier to just fake being religious, for safety.
Anyways, I hate how most internet communities of ex-muslims are filled to the brim with scrotes, a whole sausage-fest. And even if they're similar to me, they're still men and our experiences are vastly different. I hate the ex-muslim subreddit because of this.
I don't come on lc anymore much, but I'm happy to see this thread.
No. 823847
>>823801My parents converted because they didn't want to be murdered or beaten for being Serb sympathizers. I was a little dumb and said out loud in class that my dad didn't believe in god one day. I got beat up that day after school, what beliefs I had until then I completely lost.
I don't get it. Many people here have Serb family members. Most of us do - we lived in the same country together for 50 years and people on both sides used to be normal. Everything turned to shit because of politics and my whole city became extremely religious over night. Now half of them are suffering quietly because they are too scared to say anything and the other half are LARPing Turkaboos trying to be the Most Muslim because they hate themselves and their culture. It is sad and shameful.
No. 826362
>>823801It just came naturally to me anon, i somehow just never had a spiritual calling to respect the religion that's been taught to me since my earliest memory. Even as a kid i thought memorizing verses and praying 5 times a day was an orchestrated chore. And i was put through islamic school until i was 14, kek.
I agree with you on the second point, i guess it's just a scrote thing though. Being ex-muslim to them probably just means more sex and booze than anything else. It's not like they were at a disadvantage in Islam anyway, most abrahamic religions are patriarchal.
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>>804507Me.
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 839727
>>823801>How did you guys become ex-muzzies?I was taught a completely different version of Islam to what reality was or I simply blocked the bad parts out, as a child/early teen I had a version of Islam in my head that was close to today's Protestantism or spirituality, I only was taught about peace and treating others how you'd like to be treated, caring for animals and plants and everything living, and for the history part it was mostly biblical folklore and I was amused with it.
Grew up and I was disillusioned by reality, my disillusion started when my grandparents pressured my parents to dress me more "modest" when I was just 10, I was a tomyboy and the idea of wearing long skirts and not go out to play the few times I was allowed to was very bothersome, being forced to wear hijab and learning about how brutal and unforgiving Allah is, how those peaceful Muslims were talking about kafirs and not believing in basic science because it's from kafirs.
my mother probably noticed and she gave me books to read by ex Muslims who returned to Islam again, I did more research on my own and my breaking point was probably meeting a non-practicing Christian guy online during my mid teens and being so in love with him and realizing how it was impossible to be together, I would be disowned on the spot if they knew that I was in love with him let alone sending him nudes, I was expecting a punishment from Allah but nothing happened, I walked into sin and nothing happened, it made me miserable more than anything knowing that I'll never have him or have a healthy sex life but it was what solidified my doubts because all the scientific and theory aspects were so far removed they were easy to make me feel like I might be in the wrong.
I considered converting to Christianity because I was so scared of living without a God but in time I realized that I didn't need a God and that Gods and religion were the source of all misery.
Ex-muslim communities are filled with people who are going from one extreme to the other, most of them are into identity politics and degeneracy, they're mostly male because males have more free choice and women often get married to their cousin or the first suiter if they were suspected to be rotten, males however can walk away and be independent and face less ordeal, and those males usually are very misogynistic and not that different from Muslim men except for that they don't keep their porn to themselves and share it to the public, they can't change what they were taught all their lives, that women are objects and subhuman, either covered and owned or stripped and owned, for them it is a man's world, and many many convert back to Islam or Christianity after they have had their rebellious phase and are welcomed back with open arms,if I ever end up with a man I'll never go with someone who came from a Muslim background, ever.
No. 905383
>>900302did you necro a thread just to call someone a whore? idiot muzzies must be so attentio-starved.
anyway ninja mommy is a megacow and hypocrite to boot. infidelnoodle made a video on her that's not on her channel anymore but I found it mirrored in another channel (vidrel)
No. 940045
>>940043I understand, I don't blame the rural illiterate peasant population for being the way they are, they live in a completely feudal society that hasn't progressed in over 1000 years
I despise the urban middle class muslims more, they have knowledge about better systems and how flawed Islam is and yet instead on confronting the reality of the billions of faults of the religion of the arab pedophile, they instead create a fantasy and distort the truth
"No Muhammad was a feminist" "No Muhammad wanted to ban slavery" "no all the slavery practiced by Muslim states was actually better then being a free man in europe"
just pure distortion of the truth
No. 1907990
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Not entirely sure if reviving this thread will get me banned or not, but how are my fellow ex-muslims planning to spend this year's ramadan? I've started a new job that'll have me on my feet while I'm on the clock, plus I'm gonna have to walk an hour for my work, I'm really not sure I'll be able to take all this while fasting but I'm too scared to try and get a sip of water sneakily. How do you guys usually do it?
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Funny how careful you have to be online, even on this site. You can be banned very easily for even implying terrorism is real and still happens. Or how it’s a super effective method of censorship. Sometimes I fear we will never be able to move on. Liberals bent over so much over the past few decades they have handed the reins to Muslims. And now if we get too famous or popular, we can be harassed for not being “good representations” of the religion. God I wish I was born to irreligious parents.
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>>1908207I'm thinking of going the water-fasting route too, the tap water from the toilet will have to do if I can't sneak water. Also, I completely forgot about how it absolutely obliterates any sleeping schedule with suhur and shit, I'm so not looking forward to that. Let's get back to each other after the month has passed to see how we held up, kek.
>>1908245>"the eating disorder" month.Too real. If you have any troubles with food, this just exacerbates it so badly. And the month of the worst, most inconsistent sleep too. Good luck with your midterms!
>>1908162I wish so too. I feel like a whiny, broken record sometimes online whenever this topic comes up, because nobody but people who've lived this can truly understand what it is like. Like us existing is a hinderance or some sort of blight to the 'cause', you get what I mean? Only other exmuslim women, or in some cases ex(insert other religion) women can get it. I feel like it's also because of referring to ourselves AS 'exmuslim', instead of our current belief, like atheist or whatnot. It's because the past of being a muslim is, even if we don't want it to be, a crucial element of it. But they just wouldn't get it.
No. 1909463
>>1909217No, depends on a lot of things. I've been a "token" in school long ago and during my internship before graduating and was treated like a total outsider by people who didn't know shit about me, my culture, my opinions and would assume a lot of dumb shit about me based on my looks only. The reverse happens with fellow north africans where I am, they automatically assume we're bffs until they find out I don't celebrate anything, never remember any dates, eat everything except pork so idgaf if something's not halal
I do eat pork but not in public, then they treat me like people in public transport treat homeless crackheads who yell at themselves and may or may not have a knife in their pocket. I have a gen X coworker right now though who assumed I was going to be like this with her though and was relieved when I didn't insult her for eating during ramadan or drinking beer after work and in her case she has fucked up health issues.
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Since we're here, does anyone irl know of your ex-muslim status? How do you feel about it and how'd they react? I guess this would apply more to women living in muslim countries, but there can be circumstances where even while living in a non-muslim state, you have to hide it. I've never shared it with anyone in my life, it's too risky and dangerous. One friend of mine probably knew though, I got too honest with her, but we've drifted apart for other reasons so essentially, nobody knows.
Kind of a vent, but it just feels so hopeless, and I feel like a fraud. It hurts to know nobody actually fully knows this important part of my identity. That the people I love would never associate with me again if they knew. I've just never once felt at home. Always having to keep up an act, especially because Islam is so entrenched and a core part of a muslim's life.
No. 1910042
>>1909936On my paternal side, everybody played pretend anyhow since my paternal grandfather died, so none of them were really Muslim. And on my maternal side it didn't play a role much because the family split into pieces due to inheritance disputes after my grandparents died. Basically all my life was pretend at my paternal grandmother's house.
My parents never raised me with Islam even though they both were, and we had to play pretend, not to be Muslim per say, but my Dad explicitly said to me when I was 9 to never tell my grandma that I would eat fries and ham and the school canteen. But the rest of my aunts and uncles also played pretend every time they were near my grandma, and would still go hide to smoke their cigarettes like teenagers and drink plenty of alcohol and smoke doobies when they'd meet up without my grandma. The pretend game was mostly to keep the peace with my grandmother. Later in life I had reconnected with cousins on my maternal side, I had a similar discussion with a cousin that was 7-8 older than me about eating pork being about upbringing (as if it was not a religious upbringing thing), and I noticed that on my maternal side, they took the faith more seriously. But due to the split in the family it never really led me to being shunned or looked at poorly. I am thankful enough that it never was necessary for me or my family to be close to other relatives because I live in Yurop and we've made external contacts through school, etc.
I never liked pretending, and I never liked the role I was attributed in that family anyway - I was "miss Deutschland" or "miss Manga" because we moved to Germany and because I loved manga at the time. I was never my own person in that family, and I wasn't called by my first name by my grandparents because of the letter "r" being inpronouncable for them (as they couldn't speak the language of the European country they moved to well, if at all), which made me even more dissociated from any relation with them. So when my parents divorced due to my father's violent behavior, and after father died, I lost that side of the family without regret. I've been marginalized my whole life anyway so I don't see what keeping appearances would bring me.
No. 1910535
>>1910101Nope, but I see where the false equivalency comes from (due to Germany and Turkey's history). I'm born in a Yuropean country and so are my parents. My grandparents are from one of the many countries of Africa that were colonized by the European country I was born in.
I'd rather leave the details up to interpretation because I don't wanna dox myself in any way shape or form, due to my family being a large one with second and third degree branches everywhere in the world.
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I hate this fat retarded faggot so much.
No. 1912612
>>1911740I am so sorry anon. This was the one thing I never budged on, all my friends wear a hijab, all my female family members do too but I refused to since I was a kid, even now I keep peer-pressured into it, but I genuinely loathe that piece of shit so much. I am so sorry, I hope you have the safety to take it off one day, I know that day will come. When your outside appearance reflects your actual belief, or lack thereof. You're not weak, don't think that. I wish too, we weren't born to Muslim families, but these are the cards we've been dealt with.
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I'm dreading it so much… I know everyone will become this ultra-religious idiot during the month too. How much can I feign interest in their diatribes. Might be able to get out of taraweeh this time because my workload is crazy right now. I have to get out of here, I genuinely feel suicidal when I think of the possibility of having to spend my entire lifetime here, always pretending.
>>1918907Waterfasting, plus I will sneak in some snacks, I have to wear a mask at work so I wouldn't have to worry about anyone smelling food on my breath. We discussed it a bit above too, wishing every exmuslim nonna good luck!
No. 1923951
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I fucking hate Ramadan. I always cook and clean. I have to tolerate being around little kids because my family thinks I’m a natural with them and then they make jokes on when I’m getting married and having kids. I’d rather hug a tree with my car than marry a Muslim man. Everyday I wish for a better paying job that allows me to leave the fucking state. I wish I was as far away from these people as possible.
No. 1925618
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My mom keeps pushing me to visits family in the old country but I fear she’s trying to leave me behind. She says it’s an opportunity to meet old family and see my estranged father, whom I have no contact with and no desire to visit. She told me it was two weeks and now she’s wants the trip to be a month. I keep telling her no but she refuses to budge. Im getting worried. I wish I had my own money and a social life. I would have moved out long ago if I was more normal. I wish I was normal, that I was never born into a Muslim family.
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Living in a muslim country as an exmuslim, it feels like I might as well not exist. Everyone I have ever known sees me as a muslim, I am a muslim in everyone's eyes. Then aren't I one, effectively? No one knows this about me, so it may as well not exist. I just wish I could become a muslim again somehow, I feel so isolated from everything around me, I don't even feel real. Putting up an act 24/7, always, never slipping up, I am so tired, I've never once felt at home, or like I belonged. I don't feel a connection to anyone I've ever met. Friends. Family. I hate being poor, I want to get out so bad. I just want to live normally. I hate how Islam is such an all-encompassing religion, it follows you everywhere, you can never find a reprieve. All the shit you've been taught, reciting something when you step out the house, when you close all the doors, when you step into the toilet even, fuck. Praying 5 times a day, it's so hard to keep it up when I do not believe in it at all. I've wasted so much of my life, the one chance I'll get in this world, doing things I do not believe in. I'm so tired, anons.
No. 1928492
>>1928487It's that very thing that makes any sort of progress or reform difficult. The final word's been said and if you're a true muslim you can't contest it. America's interventions in the Middle East didn't help with this, destroying any secular movements and it's just fucked it up more…
>>1928489Thank you, I am very serious. I'm happy for you friends. I really don't want to waste any more of my life here.
No. 1928542
>>1928528Seen so many around me who got married just so they could fuck. Like, how is that any better? My 20yo coworker just married her boyfriend so they could halalify their relationship. Hope the best for them though. Also very funny of them to say this, when that is the exact thing Islam promises them in heaven, no? Endless sex with virgins and endless rivers of wine, fucking primal.
One the other hand, women getting pressured into marriage when they don't want to marry, though that isn't strictly a muslim-only problem. But Islam is sex-obsessed.
No. 1930876
>>1928487That’s why I am still sympathetic to communism despite its flaws. It’s one of the few political tools that create mass literacy and elevate women out of the broodmare position. Imagine if Muslim countries could effectively nationalize and use their own resources for themselves.
I think this is why Islam caught on with modern leftists after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It helped create a powerful push against American dominance and attempted divinity after being colonized
No. 1932703
>>1927784My therapist must be a one-in-a-million then, she's a white women who doesn't get into politics past basic feminist ideas of abuse bad and has some experience working with South Asians. Try finding older therapists or those who don't seem ultra woke, you can ask them about themselves in an initial call or session.
>Therapy is bullshit anyways and the real solution is to leave a shit situation and get to live normally.Once you leave
abusive or shit situations is where PTSD and stress starts to creep in and therapy might help some people. I don't want to deny the truth by saying it's easy to find a therapist or that the money couldn't be used in better ways for some people, but it might be worth it if your insurance can cover some of your sessions.
No. 1932726
>>1927995Not sure what ethnicity you are but even if there are a lot of you, maybe you can avoid those parts. America is a big country and American Muslims are usually more assimilated than places like the UK.
>>1928443>I hate how Islam is such an all-encompassing religion, it follows you everywhere, you can never find a reprieve. All the shit you've been taught, reciting something when you step out the house, when you close all the doors, when you step into the toilet even, fuck.Islam is most likely Muhammad's OCD rituals so makes sense why it's so encompassing.
No. 1932808
>>1932672I have. I took the study visa route to go to a european country. I also had to work beforehand to save up since europe is expensive af. It's long, but it's the safest path, especially since there's a lot of social aid for students. As for my relationship with my parents, it's complicated I guess? They're good people, but I don't have the heart to tell them about myself. I know it won't do any good anyway. So I call them semi regularly and visit them sometimes, still pretending to be muslim. It's much easier than pretending all the time at least.
>>1928443Ugh, this hit too close to home. I'd been pretending for so long I've lost my sense of self. When I left the religion back in high school, I focused all my energy on escaping. I picked a major that's in high demand in Europe even though I wanted something else, and studied my ass off to have good grades to get accepted in a uni there, no time for social life or hobbies. I became a shell of a human, and extremely anti social because I didn't dare get too close to anyone since I only knew muslims.
Now that I finally reached my goal, I honestly feel lost. I have no passion for my job, and it's difficult to make new friends as an adult, let alone as an exmuslim immigrant. I'm just hoping that this is something that time will fix. For now, I'll try to enjoy being able to breath easier. I wish you all the luck to also leave soon
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>>1935077The 'inshallah' and other -allahs seem to be just a meme. I'm not going to lie, and this is gonna sound so bitter, but I really dislike when anything Islamic become ~trendy~ on the internet. The algorithm pushes so much of 'relatable muslim content' at me too.
No. 1936786
>>1936675On the /r/exmuslim subreddit about 6 months ago an ex-Sunni user posted:
>I live in the UK, and for the past three years, I have noticed that the Adhan has been growing louder. In the first year, you could only hear it if you were outside and approximately 300 to 500 meters away from the mosque. However, recently, I have been able to hear the Adhan from my bedroom, even with the windows closed, every day during midday and on Fridays. Remarkably, my house is located 1 kilometer away from the mosque. I have heard rumors that there are plans to increase the frequency of the Adhan to five times a day. If that were to happen, I would seriously consider relocating to another city. During my 15 years in the UK, I have lived in five different cities, and this is the first time I have encountered the Adhan. It brings back memories of my homeland, where numerous mosques simultaneously start their call to prayer to the point where you can understand what they are saying No. 1937035
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So I don't know if it might be an unpopular opinion, but I believe the only tool that can counter Islamism (especially in Muslim nations themselves) is nationalist dictatorship. I've talked to Saudi mutuals who've told me how much freedom they have compared to previous generations and the leader of Saudi Arabia justifies it through a sense of nationalism, saying 'we are returning to our true selves' Something like this would not have been possible a decade ago and this was the case in the past with our nations as well, most of us had secular nationalist dictators who were overthrown by the CIA and that led to 'democracy,' which in turn led to the rise of Islamists in the first place.
No. 1937047
>>1936763How the fuck do you not know what "inshallah" means in the
ex-muslim thread?
No. 1937048
>>1937035Islam was originally designed to unite the various petty tribes that inhabited the Arabian peninsula, so it made special effort to become a homogenizing force. In areas where Islam was introduced through conquest, the rulers posited Islam, and the Arabic language, as a unifying undercurrent that connected the various people's that caliphs controlled. In a lot of ways, the various peoples that the caliphs conquered lost their pre-Islamic national identities and were subsumed into the pan-Arab identity that we see in the MENA countries today. It's interesting seeing how extremist wahhabism groups like ISIS make special effort to destroy pre-Islamic architecture, art, and traces of unique identity across the countries that were once under their control. Things that come to mind are the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan or the Roman temples in Syria. These extremists want to destroy our links to the past. So I think there is a lot of truth when you say:
>Nationalism is the only way to counter Islamism.Would it be aghast to teach Coptic, the continuation of the language of the pharaohs, to Egyptians? Or introduce Punic traditions to the citizens of Tunisia, or Phoenician etymologies to Lebanese places? To revitalize the Berber traditions in Algeria and Morocco? Although most of the MENA countries have shared a common Islamic history for centuries, there was a great deal of time before Islam where each of the MENA cultures were unique and very separate. The caliphs, and later, the Ottomans, needed Islam to unify their empires, but I don't think that Islamist politics need to continue into the modern age. Just my two cents on the topic.
No. 1937049
>>1937035What you’re saying isn’t really new or novel, that’s how Arab politics works. During the 20th century Arab nationalist dictators gutted or neutralized Islamic movements in their countries. Think Nasser vs the Muslim Brotherhood. It’s why the US accusing Saddam of 9/11 was jarring, he probably hated al qaeda more than conservatives Americans do.
You can actually see it with Saudi now. What’s his face is playing up Saudi nationalistic sentiment and a somewhat reduced wahabi sentiment.
But imo Arab countries aren’t that bad. Pakistan on the other hand needs a whole restructuring from the ground up.
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I despise Islam and Judaism so much. Both Islam and Judaism are evil, child-mutilating religions than need to be banned in Western countries. The Islamic false prophet Muhammad Abdullah is one of the most evil people who have ever lived.
No. 1937097
>>1937078because "communism" that's it, delusional Islamists did exist, but they were led by molvis and mullahs with no sense of tactical knowledge rather complete blind faith and they were crushed with in weeks, with barely a mention in most newspapers, but cause the US was so terrified of "communism" they funded, worked with and helped spread Islamist ideology, they helped facilitate Jihadist networks and gave them training and tactics and most deleterious gave them the ability to enter the mainstream politics
hell the vast majority of Islamist militant groups can be linked to the Soviet Afghan war, the CIA set up networks in Madrasas for foreign volunteers to be sent to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, these men were from across the Arab world and even South East Asia, they were trained in irregular warfare, insurgency and formed their own groups in the conflict, one of these groups being Al-Qaeda
when these men returned home they were treated as heroes in their countries and had a great deal of influence, thus they started their own Jihadist groups with in their country for their glorious Jihad, these groups eventually spread and then form their own separate groups, only recently thanks to local authoritarian rule were most of these groups finally crushed.
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>>1937111I’m not Pakistani. You’re either a Jew or a Muslim, both of those groups are equally savage and barbaric. The world would be much better off without Islam and Judaism.
No. 1937125
>>1937114lol the ADL is literally an arm of Zionism. Zionism is an extremist ideology that has nothing to do with Judaism.
The problem isn't Judaism or Islam in general, the problem is extremism. There are plenty decent people in the world who happen to practice Judaism and the same goes for Islam. The violent extremist crazies are the problem for ex. the Taliban. Ofc the US/CIA propped them up too go figure.
No. 1937143
>>1937125The only thing that has curbed religious extremism in all religions is the advancement of society. When society doesn't advance and people don't become more free, educated, and empathetic, extremism remains. It's not because religious people are actually super nice kind and totally normal, it's because society doesn't let them get away with their
abusive cults anymore. Laws are created that say men and women are equal and that you can't beat them or your kids in the name of religion. Laws say women and kids need education and you can no longer trick them into following horrible religious rules. Any society that did not advance still has rampant extremism and will continue to do so until they change.
No. 1937145
>>1937114Thinking or saying cuhrazy things
in private is irrelevant. Most people say/think things in private that they wouldn't say publicly, who cares? That's not unique. Also I have no way of verifying how you were raised but if you're being honest, an impartial statistical analysis can't be developed based on one person's subjective experience. Anyone who's lived in the world knows shitty people exist in every strata of society regardless of race, religion, creed, etc. If your environment was limited to living with a certain group of people and that's all you've known and a lot of them were shitty to you, then naturally you'd grow up resenting them thinking everyone in that group was shitty bc that's all you've known - it's subjective.
>making doctors mutilate their children's genitalsIf you're talking about circumcision there are supposedly practical/hygienic reasons for doing it. The veracity of these claims is up for debate. Idk and don't care, I'm not a scrote.
No. 1937164
>>1937145It's not very private when you force that shit on your children, who then either force that shit on their own children or have their lives ruined by the way they were raised. Something truly private would be if these people would let their kids be kids and would let them choose what they believe in as they grow up and become adults.
>Anyone who's lived in the world knows shitty people exist in every strata of society regardless of race, religion, creed, etc.True, but the way people become shitty and enforce their shitty views will differ depending on these criteria. I expect men from different religions to be horrible people by default but they won't show it the exact same way depending on the religion and where they live for instance. And I'm not a scrote either but circumcision relates to my first point, why do it to your newborn son instead of letting him choose when he's a grown man and can get an appointment at the clinic by himself after all? I'm not sure if FGM also counts because it seems to depend a lot of other criteria and not just on religion and you have to take sexism and pseudoscience (men believing that the clitoris won't stop growing until it's mutilated, typically) into account.
No. 1937191
>>1937185I agree with you, it's easier said than done. My parents were still somewhat reasonable when it came to food and would feed us meat even if it weren't halal because buying halal meat where we live used to be difficult and they prioritized our physical health too. But I know that's not the case for all kids so you have some of them who barely eat anything in their school canteen. But then they didn't want us to interact with kids who weren't muslims and there's nothing anyone could do about it.
>I don't miss being a kid lol.Me neither kek, it was so fucking awful. I will never understand anyone being nostalgic over their childhood or teenage years because all I did back then was study at school and have no freedom whatsoever.
No. 1937339
>>1937125I'm not well-informed on Judaism so I can't say anything about that but the problem
is Islam. Islam just isn't compatible with modern sensibilities. It's considered sacred text that cannot be changed and is the true word of God and it only reflects 7th century Arab. The problem is the religion and the things it preaches. If you think the same about Christianity and any other religion, I wouldn't argue with you because I'd agree. There are good people who happen to be Muslims, but they're good despite being Muslims, they would be good even if they weren't Muslims.
No. 1937761
>>1937048Nta but I agree with everything you said. It's really sad to look at those countries that are obviously not arab trying to delude themselves and the rest of the world of their arab identity, when they can't even speak the language properly after ages of colonization, because it's not their native tongue and they still slightly uphold their previous identity in a way or another. This shows in superstitions and traditional clothing, as well as cooking sometimes. For example, Moroccans still believe in witchcraft and practice it, despite it contradicting their Muslim beliefs. The Levant and Turkey (ironically) still don't wear hijab and practice art and music despite claiming to be Muslim, even saudis have beliefs in legends from the past that contradict islam, believe in some superstitions like wearing specific necklaces made of paper with specific writing to ward off evil in some tribes, and making alcoholic drinks in ramadan as a tradition (it's not alcoholic when just made but after sitting in the fridge for a few days it turns alcoholic, it's not banned and people can keep it in their fridges in secret, it's a meme on social media for a reason), Bedouins also seem to be the least people to follow the religion with their traditional clothing and living style where men and women used to hang around each other with no one screaming "HARAM!".
No. 1937969
>>1937495>Why would you go to another country, supposedly escaping your religion just to bring it over?>I guess youre still living with your parents? Sending positive vibes.Yesmy parents immigrated to America, I was born here and still live with them. I decided due to a mix of obsessive guilt and suicidal ideation, otherwise I would not have done it during Ramadhan. I felt guilty at the idea of moving out before telling them because it strained my view of them.
>>1937742My parents don't push their religious views onto anyone like most Muslim immigrants, except their own children. But most religious faiths and ideologies push for childhood indoctrination.
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>we aren't even allowed to wear backpacks anymore
No. 1938662
>>1932682>>1932808Thank you, I'll give it more thought. Will probably go the study route as well if I can save up enough money. I don't think I can live with the guilt if I cut off all contact with my parents. I feel like it would haunt me one day.
Also, anyone else worried about the rise of racism and 'anti immigration' sentiments in most developed countries? Alot of the people who hate islam spreading in their country also just hate arabs and brown people, not just the religion.
I'm scared that by the time that I'll have to choice to leave and be free, it wouldn't be as safe for people like me anymore and I'll have nowhere to go. Maybe I'm being too paranoid but I'm so worried about my future. Maybe I should plan to go to a random country in south america or asia. Not sure where I would be tolerated though.
No. 1938772
>>1938766This shit makes me so fucking mad. I wish I could do something to help all these poor women and girls. I feel so bad for that little sister. Fuck that moid cousin. Disgusting hypocritical misogynistic pig. People like him shouldn't have been born.
The whole thing about calculating when she had sex is pathetic and gross. What's wrong with these perverts? They're obsessed with sex, it's on their minds 24/7.
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>>1938813>>1938902haven't read the book, but American feminist Phyllis Chesler wrote a similar book about her time in Afghanistan, her Afghan fiance seemed very progressive, he talked to her about Frantz Fanon, Foucault and colonial oppression, and when she arrived in Afghanistan, her husband showed his true colors (this was in the 60s, when it was still a kingdom) but luckily she had enough feeling to catch on and the day her husband started his BS, she was plan to leave and get out of there in 5 months .
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>>1938251>>1938673It really is completely unnatural for any human being to be alive, this kind of thing would have been unheard of even in my Muslim country, but then I don't think you types are even concerned with actual traditional Islam, they have stripped it from their own indigenous culture and heritage and now think that being 'Muslim' (not Sunni, Shia) is in itself an identity
No. 1945344
I hope this is okay to talk about here. To preface, we are of Caribbean descent with 0 background in Islam/mainly Muslim countries.I have a niece who is my age (late 20's) who was with this Muslim moid, and she just flipped in a second. She has good education, university level, good job, nice friends, but the moid she was seeing was very adamant on her converting to Islam for her to continue the relationship, and she did it.. I don't understand how, or why. She also dropped the whole Islam is a feminist religion and converted. She would come to family dinners and get together often and she just vanished for a while. I was very upset because I thought perhaps he was holding her away from us. Luckily, they ended the relationship and she reverted to being non religious, but I guess it's a semi vent/question, how does this happen and how can I approach people I know if they are in same predicament who are ready to convert without it coming off as "racist" or islamphobic..?
No. 1945359
>>1945344>How does this happen?I think some people are just naturally easy to convince of things like conversion because they don't have much religious belief to begin with and they're easily convinced of anything. Converting to any religion to match your partner's religion is more common than you'd think.
>How do I approach people?Don't bother. These are the types of people that need to learn the hard way and find things out for themselves. You could tell them x, y, and even explain z to them and they'd ignore you until the cows came home. Sometimes you have to just let people figure shit out on their own time and be there for them when they finally realize their mistake.
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It's honestly funny how butthurt Muslim tend to be over the loss of Spain. I guess it just reminds them of the fact that most European nations militarily surpassed them centuries ago and they can't really do much about it but claim oppression.
No. 1947446
>>1947360A friend of mine has, years ago. She had an online friend who was willing to RP as a prospective husband 'as a prank', learnt HTML to make a fake Muslim dating website with like 3 pages in a language that one of her other online friends translated for her, and convinced her parents that she had found a wealthy husband abroad. His profile had photos of Mecca and expensive cars and houses that she'd taken from the internet. The husband himself was a random photo from a birthday party that she'd chosen because there was a woman in a hijab in the corner. This was in the late 90s and her parents were very gullible, so it worked. She went to a different country, changed her name, and spoke to her parents once a year. She always called from a payphone because her nonexistent husband didn't let her use their house phone for such expensive calls. She slowly lost contact with them.
Turns out that her family got a bit suspicious about the lack of contact when the internet and phones became more common, her parents still had the computer that she'd used and got one of the younger family members to go through it. Most of the sites she had accounts on were gone at this point but she got email notifications saying she'd gotten messages on the sites that were still up, that she hadn't logged onto for years, telling her to call her parents and come home. She was really shaken up about it. She googles herself every so often just in case anything comes up and it normally doesn't but her parents have since put her information online asking people to find their daughter. Luckily they used her old name and said she was in a different country, but she's been absolutely devastated that they found all this stuff on the computer after 20+ years. She's got workplace adjustments in place in case she gets kidnapped. It's a stressful enough situation that she's considering making a fake obituary for herself saying she died some years ago in the hopes that they'll fuck off.
When you leave, cut and dye your hair, buy clothes in styles and colors you'd never wear normally, change your eyebrow shape and get glasses if you don't already wear them. If you do, get different frames. That's cheaper than surgery and gives you instant results. Changing your name might be a bad idea since there's a public database of changed names and ironically you'll be easier to find. Avoid all social media at all costs. There are plenty of Muslims in France, you won't be the only one there with your name. When you're able to, get rid of any electronics you brought with you from home, in case they're bugged.
Find a job ASAP, ideally one that isn't public facing so you have less chance of being recognized. Doing sewing on the side is a good idea.
If you're worried that your parents suspect something, find an event to get excited about that takes place after your planned leaving date. Make plans for the event, talk about what you want to wear, who you're excited to see. You can say that you're saving up for it if your parents are suspicious of your savings.
If you don't have a social media presence, or any pictures of yourself online, it's actually a lot harder to find you than you might think. Just be careful and constantly google yourself to keep on top of the situation.
No. 1947457
>>1947446NTA but thank you for sharing your friend's story. It's actually insane how much women have to do to escape these situations. It's like being in protective services from
abusive spouses. I wish your friend nothing but the best.
No. 1947776
>>1947446Thank you for this, I hope she's doing well and safe. What a brave woman. It's terrifying to think that just want to live on your own terms can be such a lifelong struggle depending on where you are from.
>>1947669It is a somewhat generic name and it isn't common. I think I'll keep it if it's easier in the long run.
No. 1951530
>>1949188They're what you'd call the cultural muslims, even though it's difficult to reconcile and feels terrible it's just not possible for everyone to let go of something they've lived with their whole lives. I wish things are better for them but it's a situation where you're going not only against your parents but also pretty much everyone you know.
>>1948816Aw good you're free now
nonnie No. 1953123
>>1953118What a disgusting and horrible thing to say. I’m so sorry
nonny. I hope you can get away from him soon if you haven’t already
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>Destroying your own history and heritage to own the West.
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Ramadan's coming to an end, finally. I was so, so low energy the whole month, I barely got anything done except the bare minimum at work and all my personal projects were on hold. Eid mubarak to my ex-muslim sisters! Eat delicious food!
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Eid Mubarak nonna's
No. 1957840
>>1957736Thank you
nonnie, hope you have a good day
No. 1957939
>>1957734Mostly Bengalis and some Pakistanis
>>1957802Yeah, but then it'd be a big deal and those motherfuckers would use it as gossip material for the next 20 years. I guess she didn't want to cause any conflict
>>1957811Kek yeah, a lot of them talk about cousin incest as if it was the normalest thing on the planet. If you say something against it, they call you "whitewashed" KEK
No. 1957981
>>1957962y know I used to make fun of older people who viewed muslims as some invaders because yea, there are 2-3 in schools whatever but now I can see the invasion.
I live in Europe, the majority here of people is christian and schools are shutting down to celebrate the beginning and end of ramadan, this fucked up the calendar of the holidays and the non religious/christian parents (there are not other religions here) couldn't take the day off to take care of the children at home.
In schools there's shit like "Omg respect your muslim friend, don't eat in front of them!"
In churches, priest are "blessing" muslims. Cults are exclusionary by definition, if you recognize muslims in churches, then religion doesn't mean shit anymore.
When muslim randomly stop working to pray, it's all good. If I take a 2 minute break it's a problem. Muslims and smokers can go out, I can't.
I'll give them a pass for introducing more halal alternatives though, pork is gross anyway.
No. 1958034
>>1957962>>1957981This is terrifying. I live in a part of Europe
the balkans where a part of the population is muslim by default but we never meddle with each other's holidays, customs, or business. But a completely christian country like the UK? I don't want to sound islamophobic/racist or any of that retarded shit but it's alarming how quickly some weu countries are bowing down to islam. I've never fully brushed off my older family members who were very openly against the immigration of muslims and it's becoming more and more reasonable to me to think that way. Why is it that their customs are to be respected if they're the ones moving into a new country and not the other way around? Seeing people online bitch and moan about how non-muslims should respect dumb shit like ramadan (like you mentioned with not eating in front of muslims) and the like is really getting under my skin.
No. 1958130
>>1958107Exmuslims can be Islamophobic, it's justified. Also Islam isn't a race anyways, so it doesn't matter if someone is "islamophobic" anyways.
t. An exmuslim arab
>inb4 the self-hate accusations It's a good thing to hate a bad thing.
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>>1949188Sad tbh. Reading r/queermuslims was genuinely depressing. Queer [x] religion here are fucking dumb anyway. Either you admit you're a sinning homosexual or bisexual or repress 'til you die. You can't be both "queer" and Muslim at the same time. You just can't.
No. 1958409
>>1940859This is pretty fucked 'cause the hijab's main purpose is to cover hair because seeing even a strand of it is too erotic and makes men want to rape women or whatever the fuck (a Muslim moid genuinely said this to me). So the hijab was made ~to protect us~ because apparently—telling men not to rape for some random reason is just to difficult for them.
So what? Is a damn toddler’s hair also too erotic for men too? Is that what they're implying?
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>straight up defending Islamic slavery
No. 1962781
>>1961706I don't know if there really is a God or not. But this quote kind of helps me cope a bit:
“If there really is a God, then we should seek to forget Him, to raise up men who will to do good for goodness’ sake, not out of fear of punishment for their bad deeds. How can someone give alms to a poor man with a clean heart when he believes, and has an interest in believing, that there is a God who keeps score in heaven, who looks down and nods in approval?” — Henrik Pontoppidan
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For the anons who live in Islamic countries, do you know any other ex-muslims personally? Or does anyone know about you being one? I've met one exmuslim, though I feel like my boss is one too because he really teeters the line of blasphemy often. The other is a woman I've gone out with a few times, she's the only person who knows this about me and it feels really freeing.
Also I've been interested in learning more about the different pagan customs that got incorporated into Islam despite Islam being so strictly monotheistic, if any anon knows any good material on it.
No. 1966269
>>1966137I only have a now online friend who I used to go to school with who knows about this. I try my best to not expose myself so I don't get in 'legal' trouble, i.e. beheading.
Not sure if it's pagan, but I think the concept of envy and the evil eye exists in islam. I live in islam central country, and people believe if you like something and don't say "mashaallah" it will get ruined somehow and force other people to say it and make a scene out of it. They also claim any illness or problems in their lives must be a result of someone envying them. The ways to get rid of that differs from culture to culture. "My country" uses things such as washing oneself with the leftover coffee of a cup the person who envied them drank from, writing quran verses on a paper with saffron as an ink and soaking it in water and reading mantras on it then drinking it, smothering oneself with olive oil while reading quran, getting water spat on by a sheikh, and other retarded shit. Moroccans use the blue hand with an eye on it and other stuff. Idk about other cultures though.
No. 1967151
>>1966137I had 3 friends who were all hardcore lesbians but also hijabis, and they always talk about how they want to take it off and do 'haram' stuff. I'm willing to bet that atleast one of them doesn't believe anymore, or at the very least will arrive to that one day.
I never opened up to them about it though because I'm very paranoid about it, and we're not friends anymore.
Honestly it's quite easy to tell sometimes, they're almost always upper middle class/ high class where I live.Be careful though nonnies
No. 1969276
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>>1967160>>1967182Like Muslim has no right to call anyone an idol worshipper when they do act like this for a stone-idol that was built before Islam even existed.