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No. 2584462

As always, report and ignore bait.

ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.

Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out
>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion
>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids
>Does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real-life ideology and politics
>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance
>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL
>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men
>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi
>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying "straight-with-extra-steps" shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)
>General moralfaggotry

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No. 2584465

The threadpic is a work of beauty

No. 2584498

I hope this thread discusses more yaoi and the like and not irl 3DPD bullshit haha.. ha..
>>2584462
You did good OP. You did real good.

No. 2584522

>>2582978
>>2582843
even though western artists have bad art and book cover trends I feel like their writers and writing itself are not that different than asian ones. For novels it’s best to look for recs on places like the m/m romance goodreads group and m/m romance books reddit where there are mostly adult women. it’s easy enough to avoid things you don’t like because goodreads users love to tag everything. authors I hear about the most are KJ Charles and Cat Sebastian (I have not read any of their works yet so idk) And I’ve been meaning to read Alice Winn’s In Memoriam sometime too.

No. 2584750

Do fujofags ITT prefer original works or fanfiction?
I can digest either honestly. I usually prefer content for my ships but some people have such appaulijg tastes that i'd be better off reading a non-consequential oneshot doujin

No. 2584753

>>2584750
i prefer a mixture of both especially if said original work is featured in the fanfic like on ao3

No. 2584772

>>2584750
Reminds me of harada. One shots are better

No. 2585443

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>>2584750
When it comes to Japanese stuff, I prefer original manga to djs. But as far as Western m/m goes, I prefer fanfic, because as you can see from what >>2583370 posted, Westerners have shockingly shit taste when it comes to art styles, because they prioritize being ~yooneek~ over being aesthetically pleasing. Thankfully, if it's a fic, you don't have to see a shitty art style. That said, there are exceptions: I'm surprised no one brought up Teahouse yet. Into the Smoke has a decent art style, too. Check Please has a somewhat ugly art style, but the good writing makes up for it. Starfighter is hot if you can put up with the lore making no sense kek. Ride or Die has an art style that reminds me a little bit of Motorcity. But yeah the pickings are pretty slim when it comes to Western comics, almost everything is either badly drawn or full of gender nonsense. Or it's capeshit: if you're alright with cape slop, Midnighter and Apollo is good because it can be read stand-alone, as opposed to anything with Wiccan and Hulking which requires a bunch of background reading to understand what the hell is going on.

No. 2585445

>>2584772
Harada is the best, and I will take no arguments.

No. 2585454

>>2584750
Both. Who am i to turn down good yaoi based on where it comes from?

No. 2585461

>>2585454
The problem (for me) is finding good yaoi. Not shitty gendie mlm garbage or weird bara scat porn.

No. 2585503

>>2584750
I like original works more, but in general I've never been much for fanfic.

No. 2585519

>>2584750
Reading wise (like with words only) I prefer fanfic because I'm reading about something I'm familiar with so it's easier to get immersed in it and it won't bore me to death hopefully. But manga and anime wise I do prefer original stuff because it feels like starting a new thing from scratch and it's exciting to get to know the franchise, story and characters. Doujins aren't bad but they're usually a bit too short for my liking and leave a lot to desire or too OOC and I just skip the dialog and look at the smut since they rush the way they get there anyways. I want a DJ that's like a fanfiction in story telling but with art that resembles the original franchise and is like multiple chapters but that's probably hard to make. So I just look at fan art instead lol. I'll say I get more invested in non-canon ships from things I watch because of the story being complex and long and them having great dynamics, so seeing fan work with them as a ship is pretty exciting. While original yaoi is the same boring settings and dynamics over and over again it's hard to get into it anymore. It's always
>school setting
>band setting
>office setting
>CEO and some poorfag setting
>bully and victim setting
And so on. Banana Fish and Yuri on Ice had the right idea with an actual story happening around the ship and pushing them together, but the former chickened out on showing it and the latter wasn't as passionate as I'd like. I'm lame and I want a shounen slop tier yaoi story. That story about some kid who died in summer that was trending a while ago had potential but also chickened out. Tokyo Ghoul was rumored to originally be a yaoi but the writer chickened out and I can totally see it, it would've been better as a yaoi. No. 6 was cool but they separated at the end unfortunately. Zanyou no Terror had yaoi bait in it and it could've worked tbh but again they chickened out. Hell even Jojo chickens out on that and all the gay couples are side characters who die and we don't get enough of them to invest in them. I need my sense of grandeur in my ships PLEASE.

No. 2585523

>>2584750
Both. It's easier for me to get invested in works that don't revolve around romance and have a greater plot. So fanfiction is great, but I also want to get spoiled with explicit pandering sometimes. I like VNs and one-shots and BL manga that revolve around a plot. It's like reading fluff after angst or enjoying something sweet after eating something savory, it's best to rotate between original works and fanfiction.

No. 2585525

>>2584750
You gotta use the original works in order to make the yaoi more believable. I want my 2D moids fucking while in character, you feel me?

No. 2585565

Yaoi is not representative of actual gay men, and this is a good thing.

No. 2585574

I grew out of yaoi but I'm not sure why. I read so much of it as a teen and in my early twenties. I try to chase that same yaoi dopamine high but I find myself annoyed by all the porn and just swiping through sex scenes to skip them, which just makes it boring in turn. So I dont even try to read yaoi anymore. I wish I could go back to pure yaoi brainrot tbh. Fujoshis have it good.

No. 2585634

>>2585574
I think because when we were younger the novelty and taboo of it being porny was exciting, now we're older and know better and want actual stories and writing before the sex but nope, they sex from the first page. Vidrel.

No. 2585639

>>2585634
Discovering explicit yaoi as a teenager legitimately changed my brain chemistry.

No. 2585650

>>2585565
Exactly.
>You're sexualising MLM!1!1!
I would rather eat my eat through a bag of rocks than watch 3d moids going at it, it's like watching wild animals on the discovedy channel, I can't will myself to look.

No. 2585692

>>2585639
Same tbh. It made me into being "sexually dominant" if that makes sense and kinda shaped my taste in men in a way.

No. 2585881

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it's over

No. 2585882

>>2585881
kek I saw this in the childfree subreddit. China will do anything but improve living standards so that people would WANT to have kids. dw it's a nothingburger

No. 2585884

>>2585692
I'm sure this happened to me too. While I still like BL, I'm more interested in het romance but not a lot of it resonates with me.

No. 2585894

>>2585574
That's fair tbh. When I was a teenager, I liked dubstep, but now I can't stand to listen to that slop. Your taste just changes as you grow up sometimes.

No. 2585895

>>2585881
so are old women still free to write gay erotica

No. 2585898

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>>2585650
MLM is such a retarded term, and ironically it's rare to see actual gay men using it. The term only exists because the phrase "same-sex relationships" displeased troons.

No. 2585901

>>2585899
incredible that you say that when it was Yoko Ono that first said it and it's also attributed as being derived from Zora Neale Hurston.

No. 2585915

>>2585881
Wonder why if this had something to do with what's happened to Genshin. Either way, arresting women and forcing them into hiding when pursuing their hobbies is going to have the opposite effect in convincing them to have children.

No. 2585943

>>2585898
>MLM
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism?

No. 2585950

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>>2584750
I used to read both until fanfiction communities became overcome with gendies, now I exclusively read original works.

>>2585884
I like both BL and het romance too, and have the same issue of finding many to be poorly written or featuring annoying tropes. However, cringe tropes in BL (yaoi logic and edgy rape shit) tend to make me less mad than the cringe tropes in het (mostly rooted in misogyny and remind me of bad shit I actually face in RL). It also helps that I started reading BL as an adult and am very good at filtering out garbage writing from summary alone.

No. 2585951

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>>2585882
I saw the same post and also how the OP went out of their way to change the article title kek.

I think it's ironic that the article ended up on childfree, because the more the CPC attempts to punish and prevent women from having any sort of escape from the Heterosexual Nuclear Family, the more I think voluntarily sterilization will rise, even if women have to go aboard to get the procedure.

The BBC author has A+ tastes in ships, though.

No. 2585955

>>2585901
What was it that Yoko Ono said first?

No. 2585961

>>2585955
Google "John Lennon n-word."

No. 2585968

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No. 2585969

>>2585961
Oh yeah I know about that

No. 2586065

>>2584750
I like both, usually the ships I really like are one sided canon so it's like half BL kek.

No. 2586071

>>2585881
It's such a shame because all the best fanartists nowadays are Chinese

No. 2586134

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>>2585639
>>2585692
I wonder if I would've turned out different if I had never discovered Juxian Tang's site at 13 years old and read that Russian civil war story with necro shit in it.

No. 2586601

>>2585951
So if we change how families operate, more women will have kids or no?

No. 2586701

>>2586601
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe the higher a society rates in gender equality, the lower the fertility rate is at least in the first world. For one women won’t feel pressured or forced into marriage and kids, nor will they need to rely on a man to meet basic standards of living. In my experience the main thing preventing women from having kids, besides cost, is that the vast majority of men are not suited to being partners much less fathers.

No. 2586872

>>2586701
Ngl I wonder if something else that's effecting it is the grey wave, the fact that there's more elders and less young people.
Women are primary caretakers for the elderly, if they're too busy taking care of their parents and grandparents, they're not going to have the time to date and take care of children at the same time.

No. 2586884

>>2586872
You’re absolutely right. I’ve heard of that especially in communities where it is expected for multiple generations to live together and all care is put on the wife. If marriage means you move into a home with your husband and expected to take care of him, his parents, and any children you may have, what is the appeal of getting married then, assuming you have the choice to be by yourself.

No. 2587071

>>2584750
they have different appeals. ships are basically “my delusion, my rules” sort of a middle ground between original BL and your own OCs. while original BL is more fixed

No. 2587209

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>>2586701
Well, yeah. Having kids sucks for women, pregnancy is hard on our bodies and we get stuck with most of the work of raising kids. It's not surprising that when we're actually given the choice, we have fewer kids or none at all. If moids want women to have more kids, they should be better fathers and actually raise the babies they supposedly want so bad. But a lot of natalist men don't actually want the work of being parents, they just want more humans to pay taxes and change old peoples' diapers. Just look at a purported natalist like Musk, who dodges taxes, hardly sees any of his kids, and whose tech companies have done fuckall to improve any of the crises caused by the silver tsunami. A lot of natalists are wealthy right-wing or libertarian men who can help alleviate these problems, but would rather push the work and blame off on women like moids always do.

Fuck, I forgot this was the yaoi thread. Uhhh… I like when hot guys kiss. Like in this picture.

No. 2587222

>>2587209
At first glance I thought this was het

No. 2587272

>>2587222
The middle panel definitely says man to me.

No. 2587278

Western BL (if they even dare to call it anything other than 'mlm' or 'queer romance) is so fucking cucked. You don't have to pretend to be a scrote or troon out for XX years until you publish your book about two mermen fucking each other. Own that shit. Moids are out there everyday, posting the most unhinged and disgusting porn involving women, and they don't even bother to hide it. Who even gives a shit if your Wincest with the serial numbers filed off story isn't 100% representative of actual fags getting STDs in dingy alleyways?

No. 2587368

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Why do the Korean BL fandom and authors have a Morality Crusade against Piracy to the point of saying things like pic related?

I'm not completely without sympathy for the low pay situation artists are in, and the zoomer generation is too shameless about posting illegal scans on social media, but the legal readers act there can be no nuance on the subject and that the parent company can't be criticized ever for the reasons the BL manhwa is inaccessible in various countries (region locking, censorship, poverty and/or having a weak currency, etc). It's either pay up or GTFO out of the fandom.

No. 2587385

>>2587368
i already a offered a explanation in the fandom thread but it's because the people who pirate manhwas are way more disrespectful to the authors than the people who pirate mangas, also manhwa reader post their pirating on the same platforms where the author can see it, like atleast have some common sense to not talk about pirating ur fav manhwa on twitter.

Also mangas are WAAAAAY more protected by the copyright system meanwhile webtoons and manhwas are not as much which is the authots feel this level of frustration.

No. 2587386

>>2587368
>poverty

im sorry but is gay porn the same as water, food and shelter? like it's not a necessity what are you and the others even on about.

No. 2587400

>>2587386
Wtf, how is she saying that? I felt like it was pretty obvious that TAYRT was referring to poverty striken people having little to no "luxuries" in their lives. Pirating shit at least makes their lives less miserable or whatever. Where did that anon say it was like food, water or shelter?

No. 2587422

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Lately I've been encountering an annoying group of fujos that constantly virtue signal about how they are NLOF and don't care about the sexual content in BL and passive-aggressively shitting on anyone who doesn't make their reading tastes the center of their personality. I can lowkey deal with it when it's woke fujotifs that whine endlessly about "mlm representation" and "bad fetishizer cis fujos" on twitter, I expect such retardation from them. But it's so disappointing when a normie/terfy fujo friend who is outwardly chill reveals herself to be desperate for attention like this. Stop trying to imply I lack appreciation for good stories and characterization because I play BL games/read BL manga that you have just labeled "bad porn" (without actually paying attention to what their stories are actually about)? You're not better than me because you play more niche untranslated JP games/read fujobait shounen doujinshi and then lie about the level of sex content in them. Even more annoying is how these fujos are frequently found to actually salivate over sex scenes but then if you call them out on the hypocrisy it suddenly is "different"? I'm just so done nonnies

No. 2587432

>>2587422
I'm not sure who they're trying to impress? Like it isn't a big deal to enjoy sex scenes, and it isn't a big deal to genuinely not enjoy them either. It's such a bizarre thing to virtue signal about imo.

No. 2587433

>>2587368
i don't really care for justifying piracy but i will continue doing it though

No. 2587444

>>2587386
>>2587400
a less dramatic way of wording this would be money discrepancies between thirdie countries making it more difficult to support artists ethically. A simple 2$ weekly episode token could be better used for daily necessities in countries with weaker currencies.
It reminds me how retarded webtoon is for locking completed comics behind a weekly paywall where you essentially have to wait a scheduled posting period for a work that's already been long completed

No. 2587446

>>2587368
A lot of east asians are unempathetic to westerners when it comes to translations. Culturally, you are expected to financially support creators as a fan and piracy is much less socially acceptable. But a lot of east asian fans or creators will just tell fans from other countries that they can't enjoy a series if it's not translated in their language or that it's not meant for you then. It reminds me of when Happy Elements went after translations of Enstars a while back and Japanese fans just told everyone else to suck it up. To be fair to manhwa authors they really need direct financial support in a lot of cases and want people to access official translations.

No. 2587504

>>2587422
Link them mangas drawn by Gengoroh Tagame or Fujimoto Gou—they'll change their tune then.

No. 2587612

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>>2587209
>natalist
Oh…you're one of those people? What's preventing a baby from being raised in the community then having the onus be on the mom to do all the child raising? I'm not childfree nor an anti-natalist but I can understand why many women want to opt out of marriage and motherhood when the only choices they have is raising a kid and some moid's grandparents over being free to do whatever they want? but that leads to the existentialism of what is to begin of later generations once more and more women marry less and give birth to less? I'm sorry if this isn't bl related but to return to that, I'm kind of weird for loving two men having a family together? Like I know the appeal is to avoid that but that brain of mine really loves the little domesticities and comforts in life.

No. 2588008

>>2585519
Damn nona are you literally me? Hard agree especially on wanting non-yaoi anime that just happens to have a m/m ship. I just want a series that has an interesting story AND a mc with a male love interest, is that too much to ask for? It's fucked up how many series rely on fujos to keep them relevant, but at the same time won't 100% commit to it and make the ship a proper couple, because they don't want to scare away the more ''general'' audience that's grossed out by explicit BL.
Not yaoi, but what G-Witch did was really insulting. For those that don't know, the anime had a main f/f couple and by the last episode they got matching rings, however after some time the official twitter made a post about their relationship being completely ''up to interpretation'' and basically denying its' canon status. Well, if it was a m/m ship, they probably wouldn't even have gotten the rings in the first place.

No. 2588015

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>>2585519
>I'm lame and I want a shounen slop tier yaoi story.
Have you tried reading danmei or korean web novels?
Sure, their reputation is pretty bad, but if you're desperate then maybe its worth checking out a webnovel or two.

No. 2588073

>>2588015
Is there art or is it all text? Sorry, I'm a visual person and prefer looking at pictures.

No. 2588102

>>2588073
Iirc theres a slightly ungay'd webtoon, not sure how much they cut out though.

No. 2588638

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>>2587222
It's a guy with long hair

No. 2588646

>>2587422
Moralfaggotry is a scourge in female-dominant nerd spaces. It seems like there always has to be an annoying pecking order in terms of least/most "problematic" ships and fetishes. It's clown on clown violence, frankly.
>NLOF
Kek I'm stealing this

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>>2587612
One of what people? I have no idea what you're trying to say, I feel like I'm having a stroke while reading this. Are you ESL?

No. 2588664

>>2588654
nta I assumed I was having a stroke kek. This is my 5th time reading her post and I'm still not getting it. (am now sleep deprived)
Okay tackled it again. I think she is saying why not have the community assist with parental duties instead of/rather than the mother do it alone? But if that lifestyle of not taking care of a child and/or the grandparents of another seems appealing, it makes sense to just choose to not bother.
Then she mentions it is cute that some BL has families and she likes that. NLOF

No. 2588823

>>2588638
>Being a pale-skinned ginger in Ancient Egypt.

Shouldn't he have been burned by now.

No. 2588849

>>2588823
nta Maybe he was a scholar who dyes his hair with rusted beetle shells. Very exotic.

No. 2589250

>>2588823
He's a god, so no.

No. 2589433

>>2588008
This sounds like what happened with Samurai Flamenco, the whole plot is about the two main male characters growing closer, if you erase that the story makes a lot less sense and the director still said there's nothing gay going on after the anime ended and was a financial failure. I won't elaborate because that would mean posting a lot of spoilers to explain what happens, especially in the last arc and how it explains a lot of what's going on since the very first chapter. The mobile game had the two main characters in maching wedding outfits after the anime ended so the director's statement seemed even more stupid than usual.

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>>2588823
If you actually read the comic you'd know that people have tried to kill him for having red eyes and red hair. Also, the gods have strange hair colors and skin tones. Bast has dark grey skin, Osiris has green skin, Tefnut has blue skin, and Thoth has blue hair. They’re gods and it's Manhwa.

Also, speaking of Ennead, I'm blown away by the amount of xreader and hetslop on the tags for it. It's a BL story where the endgame couple is extremely obvious. Granted, it has way better female characters than most BL, so that's probably why people feel invested in hetships. Honestly, this makes me feel sympathetic for hetfags. The way I feel when I see a tag for a BL manga be full of straight shit is how they must feel when the tags for whatever normie slop they normally like is full of slash shipping.

No. 2589538

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>>2588073
I was reading mission save the hunter just yesterday, I didn't check tags so I legit thought it was a regular shounen webtoon because I encountered picrel. I think you might like it

No. 2589571

>>2589528
Sounds interesting actually. Idk how to say this in a non-inflammatory way but the balance with female and male characters while still being BL makes it higher quality imo. Like a form of more "serious" BL as a form of art and storytelling. Not saying BL shouldn't be silly, I love Yarichin Bitch Club so much, but the genre is saturated with funny hahaha weird random stuff so this is a breath of fresh air.
>>2589538
Nice, thanks.

No. 2589577

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>>2585519
>shounen slop
i find kr manhwa and chinese danmei offering more diverse and varied settings outside of the stuff you lsted. danmei especially does a lot of infinite flow and post-apocalyptic stuff where some of them are like solo levelling (but better).
for manhwa, one that comes to mind at the moment is My Guildmate Next Door (picrel). it revolves around an MMORPG so there's a lot of battling and levelling up, and in the middle there's slice of life fluff. not sure if that fits your idea of shounen slop.
there's another series called Dreadful Night where the MC tries to get out of an infinitely looping survival horror game, but he got entangled (figuratively and literally) with one of the game's NPCs.

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>>2589571
If you can cope with the occasional gratitutious male-male rape or are okay with reading the SFW version, it's worth checking out. The author clearly wanted it to be more than just a BL story, it's surprisingly cerebral and has interesting themes about atonement and jealousy. It's about pagan deities, so there's a lot of moral ambiguity in the comic, and all of the relationships are inherently incestuous because they're all descended from one major deity. There's just no avoiding that in fiction about Greek, Roman, or Egyptian mythology, sorry. It reminds me a lot of an American comic called Age of Bronze, which I also really like.

No. 2589685

>>2589528
I'm not that empathetic for the Ennead hetfags when the author is pulling some crazy shit with SethNeph getting the fake BL fans crying victim why people are hating on their straight ship in a fucking BL

But at least in the case of normie het stuff, the slash shipping never stood a chance or any canonicity that affects the straight couple endgame. In Ennead's case, the author has to pull a lot of crap out of her ass to make Horus and Seth make more sense than the straight ship

No. 2589854

>>2589685
There are only two possible outcomes for this story: either the two leads end up together, or it ends in tragedy with Seth serving his sentence alone. There is as little chance of Seth and Nephthys being endgame as there was of Sasuke and Naruto being endgame, for the simple reason that Ennead is a BL manhwa and Naruto is a shonen manga. If someone wants to see a man and a woman settle down in a stable marriage with 2.5 kids and a dog, they should look in literally any genre besides BL. Do they genuinely think a BL author would throw over a hundred chapters of romantic buildup between the two leads in the trash just to stick one of them with his ex wife in the end? Genuinely if a BL author pulled something like that she'd probably have to go into witness protection kek.

As an aside, I don't really evaluate the quality of a fictional romance solely on how much "sense" it makes. I'm more interested in whether the romance makes for a compelling story or character arcs, and in some cases that can mean that the couple is genuinely unhealthy. Horus and Seth are not a healthy couple, but they're definitely compelling. Maybe it's just my personal taste, but as a reader I can't help but feel invested in the way Seth pushes people away due to his pride, guilt, and unresolved trauma while (after the trials) Horus is unrelentingly kind to him, managing to break Seth's walls down over time. I guess I just particularly like the doting optimist + damaged cynic combination lmao.

No. 2589909

>>2589854
Because Ennead is a different sort of BL in that it's sort of like a serious novel, almost literary, I can't help but to judge the fictional romance if it makes "sense." HoruSeth has a lot going for it in terms of the dynamics and what's been going on so far, but in terms of what Seth had before with Nephthys versus now with Horus, which mind you it's only been about a month since he got rescued from Horus from the first caravans timeline wise, it's pretty pithy, especially because the author put a ton of het supplemental material for them back in season 1 and not with Horus.

I personally can't wait for Horus to finally tell Seth to fuck off and Seth is on his knees pleading for another chance because he's a massive retard.

>Genuinely if a BL author pulled something like that she'd probably have to go into witness protection kek.

She's treading close though, kek. Hopefully the dead brother Horus will have some history with Seth

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>>2589909
>in terms of what Seth had before with Nephthys versus now with Horus, which mind you it's only been about a month since he got rescued from Horus from the first caravans timeline wise, it's pretty pithy
If Mojito wanted the story to be about Seth and Nephthys' relationship, she wouldn't have chosen to start the story at the moment where Seth and Horus meet, or put Horus kissing Seth's hand on the cover. Or, think of it this way: Seth and Nephthys' marriage is pretty much the same as the mythology up until the mirror plot point. However, Mojito changed a lot of the mythology to facilitate the relationship between Seth and Horus, because it's a BL manga and their relationship is the focal point of the narrative. In the source myth, the most they ever did was have hate sex. Yes, Mojito has a much more high-minded approach to her work than most BL manhwa writers, but it's still BL first and foremost. If her main goal was to reinterpret mythology, she would've written something more like Age of Bronze, where the m/m stuff is incidental rather than the focus.

>I personally can't wait for Horus to finally tell Seth to fuck off and Seth is on his knees pleading for another chance because he's a massive retard

Why would he do that? As far as I can tell, Horus is completely infatuated with him.

No. 2590160

Tired of Ennead shilling. I bet it is a fantastic BL but man. Tired of seeing people talk about it like it's the only thing on the internet worth reading. (on other sites, SM, friends, etc) Overshilling kills it for me.
Same goes to that fucking TV head from deltarune. Seeing a lot of fujos drawing him and getting tired of the oversaturation.

No. 2590325

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>>2590160
Slight blog but I've become more and more jaded about giving bl recommendations to fujo friends because they seem to have this herd mentality of just following what's popular, faking interest in it for some months and then complaining about not having enough stories that cater to their actual niche interests. But if I go to the trouble of remembering their preferences and recommend things they will actually like, they either ignore my rec until it becomes mainstream, or in the rare cases when they actually pick it up and enjoy it, act uninterested in chatting or posting about it because there isn't a big fandom for it. I miss the old days when it was common to post austisyic essays about your honest opinions about whatever niche manga/anime/book you were enjoying without expecting a "fandom" to validate you

No. 2590364

I feel this is an unpopular opinion but most of the time I don't care about plot in BL at all. I tried reading Ennead and had to skim over pages and pages of plot because I couldn't bring myself to care at all. Now I'm trying to read Heaven Official's Blessing and for the most part I only fully read chapters that include the main couple, and for the rest I just read a summary. I feel like I'm missing out and wish I could enjoy the story, but I can't.

No. 2590374

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I hate to cater to certain rabid antifujos, but I do think some fujos have somewhat of a cuck fetish stemming from low self confidence. Or maybe it's internalized misogyny after all. I've seen the premise of pic related way too often.
>the perfect handsome heartthrob rejects all those weak, normal women and gets hot and bothered for the manly male who can manhandle him properly!!

No. 2590375

>>2590374
I don't know, in that specific case the train guy looks stupid in a cute way so I assume the appeal is that he acts like a shy, clueless loser in front of his crush instead of being calm, nice and professionnal. You know, gap moe. There has to be better example than this because it's obvious the artist is a suitfag and has a uniform fetish. Pairing up two guys together in that case means killing two birds with one stone. I'm sure better examples would be older BL manga in which a female character is actively trying to get in between the main pairing for some reason. My memory is pretty bad but I remember something like that in 10 Count at it made me dislike the manga even more.

No. 2590381

>>2590374
i don't think its that deep and its supposed to just be silly/a little sexy that the women don't know the guy is a homo, and likely one that can easily get bullied by other men. claiming any women that would like this is some cuck suffering from internalized misogyny is a huge leap, some women just don't like hetshit, and not everything is self-insert, even if they did.

No. 2590385

>>2590374
I think it's more like
> Omg, men are always chasing after women, but this guy isn't! He's into men!!
But I see where you are coming from

No. 2590413

>>2590374
>the perfect handsome heartthrob rejects all those weak, normal women
As a fujo I would've never interpreted this from that image at all. Sounds like you're projecting. The charm point of the image is the gap moe, that's it.

No. 2590415

>>2590374
Imo I think it is more often they are scared of (straight) men, and looking at two men together feels safer than straight romance where you would self insert as the woman. The handsome man rejecting women makes him feel more safe and likeable instead of being a humiliation. But I also agree hetstuff is often tiresome with the ancient gender roles, I wish there was more stuff where the woman is more in control, which is not dommy mommy coomshit targeted for men.

No. 2590420

>>2590160
This is the first I'm hearing about it bc I tend to avoid Korean stuff

No. 2590423

>>2590374
>the perfect handsome heartthrob rejects all those weak, normal women and gets hot and bothered for the manly male who can manhandle him properly!!
Are you familiar with the concept of homosexuality

No. 2590430

>>2590374
Or…maybe that guy is just gay?

No. 2590436

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>>2590374
Women love a submissive man, of course it will be extra hot when he is physically smaller than the guy who could manhandle him so it's not just a choice for him. Also fujos in Japan come across as putting their male characters through what men put women through over there, and the only type of people who can dish that out are other men. Or monsterboys. Or furry women like kaneoya sachiko kek.

No. 2590441

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>>2590413
Yeah, it seems like gap moe to me too.

>>2590436
I threw up a little. Picrel also showed up as a banner to perfectly express my feelings.

No. 2590446

>>2590436
This just looks like a furry tranny though.

No. 2590451

>>2589528
>>2589854
stfu, this is another one of those
>"the uke so beautiful (more than even women) that every male character has to fuck him when they see him"
I hate this series because it introduced fujocoomers to egyptian mythology and they ruined it. like seth is described as being red-skinned (meaning he was very tanned) and for some reason the stupid author thought that meant ginger, it's also weird she made him the uke considering he famously tried to rape horus in one myth
>>2588638
>It's a guy with long hair
who in one chapter also effortlessly passed as a woman

No. 2590453

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>>2590111
>Why would he do that? As far as I can tell, Horus is completely infatuated with him.
Giiiiiiiiiirl did you not see what happened int he latest chapter? Horus is so fucking pissed and he looks INCREDIBLE

No. 2590456

>>2590453
>he looks INCREDIBLE
>generic seme
it doesn't cost much to impress your future tifs(bait)

No. 2590458

>>2590456
Why are you calling a woman a tif for saying a man is attractive. Kys.

No. 2590460

>>2590458
If you want to see a generic male character fuck a feminized male character who can "pass" a woman, I have news for you. Your reading "het smut"

No. 2590463

>>2590456
I'm really confused how you interpret my post as being a tif, but okay. You don't know the context so shut up.

>>2590451
Seth is described to have white skin and red hair in some papyrus text.

>>2590364
I like Ennead but I get you though. The pacing is a slog and I keep getting eye-raped by that rape-ape foreign faggot character who turned out to be the rapist extraordinaire, Zeus

No. 2590467

>>2590460
I don't even like ennead but idc. Call it het smut or whatever you want. Not like het smut is bad anyway. I'm glad its existence bothers you tho.

No. 2590490

>>2590463
>Seth is described to have white skin and red hair in some papyrus text.
Possible, Seth was consistently portrayed as a god of Egypt's enemies, even though they probably did not worship him in that way, but he was associated with everything the Egyptians considered barbaric and uncivilized
>>2590451
Technically he raped Horus, but unbeknownst to Seth, horus stuck his hand in his anus, collected the semen and threw it into the Nile. Seth in turn plotted to humiliate Seth by throwing his semen on Seth's lettuce. When they then appeared before the other gods, Seth confidently declared that the kingship was his because he had humiliated Horus. As proof, he called upon his semen and a voice answered from the Nile. Horus in response called upon his own semen and a voice came from within Seth and he was humiliated.

No. 2590493

>>2590460
if it was het it wouldnt piss you off so much so idgi

No. 2590501

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>>2590493
keep telling yourself that

No. 2590505

>>2590501
>women is when submissive during sex
>this is the non-misogynistic interpretation of gay sex somehow

No. 2590506

>>2589528
I'm a fujo and I don't get all this hate over the het shit because did you read the story or what? Did you not see that it involves an uke that's already married with a woman and has a kid? They're shown kissing in the first chapters. This is that kind of BL where the author wants to explore the female characters as well and one of the boys is bisexual. So yeah you're going to see het moments like you have from the start.

>>2589631
>>2589571
The female characters are very well-written, it's unusual for a BL but imo that's what makes it stand out.

>>2589909
>>2590453
I fucking hate Horus in S2. I don't care if the rabid fans screech at me but he's annoying and the author fucked up the pacing in S2. It's like they have no chemistry. They're two characters that are on a different level and as the story is now they just don't work. Mojito wasted all those chapters with the bearded faggot when she could have properly explored the Horuseth ship.
Keep in mind that a short period of time has passed from the start of S2. Seth is shown worrying for his family, chasing his past glory (failing), killing his former believers and trying to atone for his sins This all makes sense but the author left no space for Horus. We see him accompany Seth around only after the whole thing with the faggot god is over, which is a lot of chapters in. The joke that Horus is overly jealous is made over and over again. Then Anubis and the women come in, and Horus feels useless there because there is just no space for him. They run around temples, Horus is still kinda there. What doesn't seem believable to me is that Horus tries to fuck Seth several times, he rejects him and he acts all embarassed but like, why? It's been a month and there is no indication Seth even finds him attractive. Then bam, some time later they fuck hard in a magical fertility temple that makes them horny and suddenly Seth is in love (how? Seth was disgusted by gay sex the day before kek). Horus bitches non-stop because "waahh waahh the guy I've been fucking for a month doesn't immediately forget his raped/abused (by his brother) wife and kid AND is weirded out when I fuck him because I previously raped him" like what?? I can't understand what the author wants me to think because putting these two relationships on the same level is insane. It's unrealistic that Seth is torn because again, this is the guy he's been with for a month and fucked while high off fertility magic, and we also don't see their chemistry (because jokes and foreign faggot taking up half the plot) or Seth's internal monologue where he actively yearns for Horus.
And I get that the author will go for the "actually Horus and Seth were lovers/brothers in the past life so their love lives on now" thing but we have no hints about that in the story besides some very obscure and vague hyeroglyphs in S1. A casual reader isn't going to get that. There isn't like a moment where Seth feels like Horus is familiar, or that he's attracted to him, or that he seriously sexually yearns for him (beside the comment on his blue eyes ONCE) like we have with Horus. It feels one-sided and stupid. In a way the R15 version is better because there is romance instead of straight up smut where the characters barely talk, but it's still so late to introduce their relationship as a serious one on par with Nephthys's. Idk if the author meant for Horus so come off as this annoying ass fag that gets angry when the guy he's been with for a month doesn't fall head over heels for him. He feels like an immature angry kid.

No. 2590507

>>2590374
>I hate to cater to certain rabid antifujos
Doesn't seem like it if you're taking a picture like this and making it about internalized misogyny when it's clearly just him doing his job and not taking gifts, then acting shy around a cute guy because he's clearly gay.

No. 2590509

>>2590501
>boycore
It's a tif?

No. 2590514

>>2590451
>it's also weird she made him the uke considering he famously tried to rape horus in one myth
Uke are also capable of assaulting and sodomizing others, cuz you know, they have a penis and are men.

No. 2590517

>>2590501
that's not the the point being made
>>2590506
the child is not his and there are more sex scenes of seth being raped by men than with his wife and if you find the female character in this crappy series "well written" then idk what to say
>>2590514
>and are men
men who look like 13 year old girls and can get pregnant

No. 2590523

>>2590501
>weak, emotional, pretty, gets sexually assaulted and takes after their mother
>this clearly means they're a woman, there's no way a man could ever be weak, emotional, pretty, assaulted, or take after their mother.
So a woman that takes after her dad and us an autistic bitch is a tually a man in the inside?
>>2590517
>men who look like 13 year old girls and can get pregnant
If Seth looks like a woman then you must be only around trannies. Given what you think women are, that makes sense.

No. 2590524

>>2590523
true or false, isn't there a chapter where he effortlessly passes himself off as a woman and no one suspects him?

No. 2590527

>>2590524
True of false, he's meant to be a god walking around a shitty locations where the only women men there see are half dead diseased slaves?

No. 2590530

Seems like noona actually tried reading it to get to the hetshipping and cried when there was rape lmao.

No. 2590531

>>2590375
I used this fanart as an example because I just saw it and it reminded me of this phenomenon. But yes, exactly what you mentioned with
>I'm sure better examples would be older BL manga in which a female character is actively trying to get in between the main pairing for some reason
It just seems awkward to me that when a lot of fujo artists and mangakas include women, it's exclusively so they get chucked by a man in some way or shown as otherwise inferior. I have dropped several mangas/doujins for the same reason.

Also before anyone misinterprets my point, I don't argue against any women being shown in yaoi at all, I just think the way a lot of fujos pick this way of involvement over literally anything else is weird.

>>2590381
>a little sexy that the women (who crush on him) don't know the guy is a homo,
Why is this considered sexy though?

>>2590385
The image may have been a bit too vague of an example, yeah.

>>2590413
As also a fujo, there are a million ways to show gap moe that doesn't include women this way.

>>2590415
Yeah, that could be and is also a good point.

>>2590423
>>2590430
Leave the sassy empty comments on twitter if you have nothing else to say or don't understand what I'm saying.

No. 2590535

>>2590527
ah, the "he's an alien/god/artist" excuse, anything to distract from the fact that you've been reading a het smut manhwa

No. 2590542

>>2590436
I agree but that wasn't even remotely what I'm arguing against nonna kek. I meant the instances of women deliberately being integrated into art and stories to "boost" those dynamics by basically throwing womanhood under the bus.

No. 2590543

>>2590531
Having a female fan club unaware of an actualy relationship is in everything, there's het(both shoujo and ecchi romcom), yuri, and yaoi that do it because it's an old trope.
It's not meant to be about cucking, I hate how prevalent "um..cuck!" is now, but to give a little bit of a two faced gap for the mc, that the public doesn't know their hidden feelings.
>>2590535
Pretty sure of it was actually het, you wouldn't be pissing yourself seething.

No. 2590547

>>2590542
Do you project yourself onto literally every female character in existence that you feel like this? How are women being thrown under the bus by a silly comic? What about that picture is degrading to women?

No. 2590551

>>2590460
nta Let's play devil's advocate here. Is there truly something wrong with a person enjoying het smut? Is there something wrong with a person enjoying het smut but both characters are drawn with penises? Likez sure,
>Just say you like het smut and make one of them a girl
is an approach, but people are happy as-is, no?

No. 2590558

Honestly, I'm kind of interested, how would you give the impression of a man trying hard to act professionally at the detriment of rejecting romantic gifts, but unable to hide his reactions well when it comes to the guy he likes?
Replace them with grandmas and kids? Make everybody a gay man?
>>2590551
Nta but if it was het smut, moids would be spamming the scenes of the mc getting SA'd and jerking off over egyption ginger goth war mommy and going "do women really?"
Fortunately they are not, as the characters are clearly men.

No. 2590560

>>2590551
If fujos like >>2590558 would admit it and not escalate their porn addiction grow, I would be content

No. 2590562

>>2590560
Or you could just log off.

No. 2590564

>>2590560
When will you admit that you really just want to see women get SA'd and are sad when its a man "taking a woman's place"?

No. 2590567

>>2590530
Kek, the fake BL fan is mad hetslop isn't the highlight and is chimping out

No. 2590568

>>2584462
Sorry for derailing, but damn this thread is too retarded.
Just use this shit for getting off if you are into it, otherwise ignore it.
You never see men arguing about the ethics of certain types of porn.
Why can't we let women just enjoy stuff? Most of this shit is tamer than even the most normie-scrote stuff.
I am not a fujo, but I will never understand women who are so against it.
It also makes moids and pick-mes seethe, so I think that it is cool.

No. 2590569

>>2590543
I was literally thinking about what other word to describe it with because I don't like it either kek, but cucking is the closest. I understand when the focus/thrill is on the men having hidden relationships or muh 'b-but we're both boys!!' but I don't see the point of bringing in women into it.

>>2590547
I explained what phenomenon I meant as best as I could, it feels like you're just acting dumb because you're feeling defensive at this point.

No. 2590570

>>2590568
They have a pathological need to browbeat women and this is their chosen method more or less (and i like fighting online so i guess im here too)

No. 2590571

>>2590374
>tfw might have been the first to rec this artist here
>now theyre getting posted as an example of internalized misogyny
It probably just stemmed from twitter and I'm overthinking it but either way I need to stop recc'ing shit.

No. 2590576

>>2590453
>looks incredible
No, he looks very generic.
Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL. Sure, keep the Horus-Seth hate sex encounter during their competition, but keep true to the source material otherwise. The character designs are great, and so are many of the character arcs. Only Horus and Seth's romance seems hamfisted and very awkward.

No. 2590577

>>2590569
>I don't see the point of bringing in women into it.
Maybe because women are half the population and hot men with female admirers is a very common and mundane scenario? Do you prefer the “there are no women around and all men are gay” type BL instead? What is the problem if the women are portrayed respectfully?

No. 2590580

>>2590562
Ntabut this isn't twitter.

No. 2590581

>>2590560
What makes a person happy makes them happy, but I believe your demands are a bit unfair. Why not just assume that fujos like het smut featuring two men (homosexual hetero porn) and this phenomenon is called "BL"? That way you can reach a middle ground internally instead of forcing people to rename their preferred material to something that describes them less accurately.
Holy shit I sound like I'm talking about gender kek

No. 2590583

>>2590570
>like fighting online
Same pinch, nonnie. Kek.
But overall, I am tired of policing women's sexuality and interests. Sure, it might not be my cup of tea, and some underage fujofags can get annoying. But, it is largely harmless, and a way for women to get creative and create media that is moid-repellant. That is a win in my books.

No. 2590586

>>2590576
>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL.
Well, it's better to just be honest and just say you like your het ship more than the canon than trying to moralfag your way into making everybody hate hetfags.
Its not like fujo don't say the same shit about some het stories, though in those cases they're simply told to fuck off.

No. 2590587

>>2590576
I mean his rage is incredible

>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL.

No fuck off with that. It would’ve been fine as a BL if Mojito was a competent writer that didn't shove foreign faggot down our fucking throats and gets assmad when fans despise him

No. 2590590

>>2590571
I remember when you did and I even commented that I knew her too and love her for other fanart she did, so you don't need to worry. Criticising is not the same as hating.

No. 2590593

>>2590580
nta Hey, you know she is an older comp user; we used to log off of the profiles on our operating system instead of leaving it on sleep kek Not everything is a socmed reference!

No. 2590594

>>2590590
Saying someone must have low self esteem and internalized misogyny is a little more than critiquing, I'd feel bad for the artist if they knew that's how people felt about what she drew.

No. 2590596

>>2590580
…do you think twitter invented logging on and off? Are you 12?

No. 2590597

>>2590596
Do you know where you are?

No. 2590600

>>2590586
There are certainly stories where gay ships make more sense too. It is just that Horus and Seth's relationship does not develop properly, and it feels very forced and rushed. The author could have arguably done a better job on that.
I am not trying to moralfag, as I do not care either way. I do not consider myself a fujo or anti-fujo. I just like mythology-based media, and had stumbled upon the Ennead while browsing. It is certainly better than most BLs in terms of plotlines and character arcs, but Seth and Horus just do not seem very compatible. Seth had better chemistry with Nepthys.

No. 2590601

>>2590586
>though in those cases they're simply told to fuck off
nta The quintessential fujo experience. We have grown numb to it.

No. 2590602

>>2590600
No one cares write your own fanfic.

No. 2590603

>>2590587
Oh, I agree. I could get behind the BL concept if Seth and Horus had better chemistry. Sorry for offending you.
I also hated that bearded fag a lot. Fucking waste of space and time. The author could have devoted that energy to actually having a proper romance and courtship arc.

No. 2590606

>>2590601
Even in bl and fujobait, fujos are told to fuck off and the vice versa, fujos are misogynistic for not letting others speak on behalf of fictional women lmao.

No. 2590607

These type of retards also fill danmei fandom where they insist it would be better if one of them was a woman and endlessly whinge about it ad if they don’t have 99% of media already, genuinely just fuck off. You can’t even let women with different tastes have one tiny slice of original media made for them without screeching. I have no patience for this breed of people.

No. 2590614

>>2590600
>Seth had better chemistry with Nepthys
Havent read it in a long while so I might have had this wrong, but hasn't a part of her been stuck in the dark mirror dimension for most of the series?

No. 2590616

>>2590600
>>2590603
Wait, now that I think about it, the author probably added that beardfag to create some sort of tension and jealousy. It was a very lousy attempt, and just called further attention to the fact that she had no proper way of showing just how devoted and madly in love Horus was without introducing a supposed rival.
Honestly, ahe could have just followed this route:
>Seth tries to coerce Horus into sex and succeeds as per original myth
>Tension ensues
>Horus wins the contest and is declared king of Eygpt
>He has complex feelings about Seth, and chooses to exile him and punish him
>Seth goes through a centuries long redemption arc
>They cross paths from time to time and help each other out
>They bicker and fight while slowly becoming closer
>Weird hate sex or something idk
>Seth ends up joining his court
>Horus attains godhood
While we are at it, remove that Osiris brotherlover shit. You can have Nepthys cheat to conceive Anubis, but do not add those weird layers of brothercest and mpreg experimentation nonsense.
Also, actually show Horus be a competent ruler, and create conflicts surrounding that.
The reason while I mainly dislike the Seth and Horus dynamic is because Horus is too clingy, and Seth is the personification of battered wife syndrome.

No. 2590619

>>2590616
>While we are at it, remove that Osiris brotherlover shit
No, tf is this nonsense. Remove the actual angsty toxic drama? Go read Heartstoppers, fuck.

No. 2590621

I like whem the uke is feminine because the other male character will prey on them like men prey on women, but oops! It's a guy! And friendly fire is on and they sabotage themselves by doing so. Preferably if the feminine uke isn't intentionally trying to resemble a woman. Less self-projection and more getting off to a straight guy accidentally bisexual-ing.

No. 2590626

>>2590602
>write your own fic
Too busy with work these days, and just shifted recently. I might end up doing it somewhere around December.
After thinking about it, I might go for a Horus-Seth ship where Horus actually has balls, and Seth is not passed around like a doll. Hetfics can get boring kek.

No. 2590630

>>2590619
I just do not like Osiris' character design, amd think that stuff was unnecessary. Just have a good-old infidelity arc.
>Heartstopper
Ewwww nonna. I feel insulted.
>>2590621
Unfathomably based.

No. 2590633

Ennead should just scrap the toxic racist misogynistic backdrop and take place in modern day. Scrap the incest gay lover stuff because that's yikes and have him set up with Nepthys and Isis as a love triangle in high school. Much better.

No. 2590635

>>2590607
>tell fujos to fuck off from non-BL media
>"Go make your own faggot genre"
>Fujos create, consume, and discuss BL
>hetfags consume the faggot genre and tell fujos to fuck off and crybully when they're not tolerant of het in BL
It's so tiring

No. 2590639

>>2590633
That would just make it unrecognizable.
>racist
How?
I just think that the characters shoukd be written in a better way, and that the brothercest shit is gross.
>love triangle with two women
Now I know why fujos hate hetfags. Wtf nonna?

No. 2590641

>>2590568
>let people just enjoy stuff
lolicon logic

No. 2590643

>>2590639
its a joke

No. 2590648

>getting mad at gay incest porn involving gods
I imagine these are the same people who are fine with Hades x Persephone

No. 2590650

>>2590643
Sorry, I am retarded.
>>2590641
Quite the jump there. How is yaoi and pedoshit on the same level?

No. 2590651

>>2590641
nta but are you incapble of having nuance, is it only black and white with you people

No. 2590652

>>2590648
I am not fine with any of it, kek.
I hate Hades and Persephone centric stuff with a passion due to the age gap.
Horus and Seth are an incest pairing too, but I am still okay with that for the most part. I just think that the Osiris stuff ia unnecessary.

No. 2590653

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>>2590639
>How?
nta but you see variations of picrel show up a lot in east asian works

No. 2590654

>>2590652
I'd rather Osiris than Anubis and Foreign Moid. At least a psycho yandere makes a better plot device than a braindead dog and Zeus

No. 2590655

>>2590653
>east asian
even western artists do this i dont know why though

No. 2590656

>>2590653
Okay. So the problem is that darker guys are depicted as more burly? Anubis got buffed up too to be fair.
It never really struck me as that racist, but I can see why other people might view it that way.
On an unrelated note, any nice yuri stuff with interracial couples? Give me recs.

No. 2590658

>>2590655
porn addiction

No. 2590659

>>2590654
None of them are okay, but I agree that the beard moid sucks.

No. 2590660

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>>2590460
Whats wrong with liking feminine men. Masculine men get boring after a while, i want a cute guy that dresses nicely and cute for me.

No. 2590662

>>2590656
none in which at least one of the characters is not slightly masculinized, one way or the other

No. 2590664

>>2590660
there why is 99% of yaoi involves them being paired with a conventionally masculine male

No. 2590665

>>2590616
Overall Mojito fucked up and prioritized Seth getting raped and that hairy ape. She fucked up further with the hetshit with the mirror thing. That woman needs an editor

No. 2590667

>>2590662
Still, any recs? I am kind of intrigued now.

No. 2590669

>>2590654
I can't understand reading Ennead if youre not okay with bl or god fuckery. You should have seen this coming from the "bl" tag" and the "god fuckery" from the first page.
I hate how people are try so hard to like things they don't actually like by cutting it apart in ridiculous ways, and then going "I like it tho". If you liked it, you wouldn't rip it apart in such a haphazard shitty way. There's criticism, sure, but this isn't it. This is just wishing you were reading a different comic, wishing you were in a different fandom.

No. 2590670

>>2590664
Or maybe it's because that way authors can appeal to both women into cute and cool guys. Manwha filters the fuck out of me because its always two ''cool'' samefaced dark haired guys. Same reason why harem shows for moids always have the same 5 popular tropes. It's just trying to appeal to the widest demographic.

No. 2590671

File: 1751645601116.png (1.14 MB, 736x920, sirius black.png)

>>2590560
a fujoshi will portray a canonical male character like this, draw him pregnant, and be shocked when most fujoshi eventually ascend to troondom

No. 2590672

>>2590665
Agreed.
It just seems like she is playing around with too many ideas at once.
I really like Seth's character and it sucks that he is constantly tossed around like a rag doll and molested.
I have not even read much BL, and Ennead only caught my eye because of the artstyle and the mythology theme.
I wish that the author had a clearer vision and treated her characters with more care. This manhwa had serious potential.

No. 2590673

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No. 2590674

>>2590671
>fujos draw ugly old characters as cute bishies
hello based department

No. 2590675

>>2590673
so are you going to name your self aiden or eli?

No. 2590677

>>2590671
Do you just hate beautiful things? Why do you seethe so much when women choose to make ugly men prettier?

No. 2590679

>>2590675
Nobody is going to join your troon cult here, fuck off.

No. 2590681

>>2590675
try not to out yourself as a kiwitard

No. 2590682

>>2590669
I'm not the anon who hates incest. I think god fuckery is hot. But based on the story, Anubis and Zeus just mucks it up narratively.

No. 2590685

>>2590677
your the assholes who make a doujins of children raped by old men, you have no right to comment on beauty

No. 2590688

>>2590685
samefag, In one of the previous threads fujos were bragging about how hot they found the idea of nightwing being raped by old fat men

No. 2590691

File: 1751646201017.gif (148.91 KB, 236x260, meds.gif)


No. 2590694

>>2590688
Oh wow… i dont really care tbh. Nightwing isnt a child and I've seen far worse than that from yume and men.

No. 2590695

>>2590688
Ohhhh so thats what you’re mad about, someone defiled your precious husbando so you have to make your mental illness everyone elses problem.

No. 2590696

>>2590672
>This manhwa had serious potential.
That's the tragedy in all of this. It had great potential to show how high brow and intelligent BL could be. But with the meandering plot, the inclusion of questionable characters and concepts, her writing with her pussy, etc degraded that potential. It's still enjoyable with its intrigue and showcasing the lives of the gods, but I think a second draft or an editor would’ve helped it achieve that greatness

No. 2590697

>>2590671
Oh, that's a cute guy-
>read filename
>Sirius Black
Kek. It still looks cute, but atleast give him a stubble lol.

No. 2590698

>>2590696
Maybe she will clean up her act with a printed version. One can hope.

No. 2590699

>>2590696
I really hope one day mojito takes her med and releases some definitive edited edition of Ennead, the beginning was genuinely so well written and it’s just sad seeing her struggle afterwards. She has the talent she just needs a good wrangler.

No. 2590701

File: 1751646430926.webp (66.02 KB, 720x480, Nightwings-Butt-Collage-Featur…)

>>2590688
>the chad fujo
>writes all male characters getting raped, doesnt care about neither 3DPD or fictional moids feelings
>the virgin antifujo
>cries at the thought of her husbando being raped by an old fat man in the head of another woman

No. 2590702

>>2590697
Do you want the ump gang to jump you lmao

No. 2590705

>>2590701
so you admit you'll draw ugly fat men and get off on it? interesting

No. 2590706

>>2590685
Quite a leap to make.
>>2590694
>Nightwing
Isn't that moid an adult? Wow, what a reach by that anon.
>>2590701
Keeek

No. 2590707

>>2590671
I can understand this complaint when they draw male characters with big hips (or god forbid breasts) but this literally just looks like an emo anime boy with long hair

No. 2590709

>>2590702
>ump gang
What

No. 2590713

>>2590707
Hot men are illegal to jerk off to anon, only chaste heterosexual desire where the woman is drop dead gorgeous and her below average man who can’t even make her cum is allowed.

No. 2590714

>>2590705
The hot part is the bishie being humilliated by being raped by an ugly man. Sorry it hurts your feelings your husbando is being raped and humilliated.

No. 2590715

Nightwing is for public use btw

No. 2590718

>>2590699
S1 is amazing, bar none. But you know shit's getting bad popularity wise when the Koreans and Japanese are selling their rare merch on the secondary markets

No. 2590720

>>2590707
Nta but the face looks like a woman.

No. 2590723

>>2590715
No lies detected

No. 2590724

File: 1751647119781.jpeg (27.05 KB, 440x309, ump gang.jpeg)

>>2590709
Lolcow's resident girl gang who keep the farms stubble free.

No. 2590727

>>2590720
if a woman had that midface, jaw and chin irl she would be called mannish and ugly be for real

No. 2590728

>>2590724
Cool. I prefer clean-shaven guys too, it is just that I associate Sirius with a slight stubble for some reason. Might be due to the movies having a butt-ugly scrite play him.
I hope that I did not attract the ire of the ump gang.

No. 2590731

>>2590720
It's an anime-esque art style.

No. 2590732

>>2590720
He's got an androgynous prettyboy look about him in that fanart that fujos gravitate towards imo

No. 2590733

>>2590728
Tbf it feels like the picture is of teen runaway Sirius and not 40 yo Sirius

No. 2590737

>>2590733
You are right. My bad.

No. 2590745

>>2590727
If you'd show that image to anyone who doesn't know the context, they'd think it's a woman. Feminine bishies still look like men, but that's literally a face of a woman. Hate how dishonest some of you are just to argue.

No. 2590747

>>2590745
some of you just hate beauty and want all men to look haggard and ugly like arthur morgan

No. 2590750

>>2590747
No I don't.

No. 2590751

>>2590750
Yeah, sure. Go sperg about how female characters in AAA games are too manly too while at it.

No. 2590753

File: 1751648162884.jpg (2.29 MB, 1713x2738, 1000038662.jpg)

>>2590600
I started reading Ennead when I was still unsure what genre it was (I am fine with both bl and het). This was way before it became mainstream, only 20ish chapters were fantranslated I think. I dropped it after following it for a couple months because despite loving mythology both in general and the author's take on it, I simply was not feeling the horusxseth romance and the author's attempts to "redeem" Seth just failed in my eyes. I'm still curious about how the story and worldbuilding will eventually play out but I refuse to subject myself to the Seth getting constantly bullied by npcs arc and that uggo bearded dude that gets so much screentime. I feel like the story became much less exciting for me ever since Seth's mask came off

>>2590551
You worded this very badly but I won't start an infight and assume you don't mean that in a gendie sense. Anyway, IMO there is nothing inherently bad about exporting tropes from het smut into smut featuring two men, I don't want 100% realism in my smut and don't mind some idealized depictions of sex. I don't want to see gay hookup culture or characters swooning over a hairy bear character, I want to see similarly pretty or handsome men in bl and het smut. Even for the sex dynamics, I want to see similar things in both genres, like lots of kissing, foreplay, both partners being competitive in trying to pleasure each other, minimum amount of kinks (like I wouldn't care about roleplaying as a nurse or whatever but bdsm and other nasty shit is a no).

However, I'm comfortable with my own tastes to admit that some of my preferences in BL sex come from my being heterosexual and viewing the sex through the lens of a straight woman. I'm fully aware that the uke is a man, but I do find it more esthetically pleasing when he experiences some of the same sex related tropes as a woman would. A couple neutral examples would be the uke scratching and leaving scratches on the seme's back, or the uke being picked up by a bigger male and pressed against a wall during sex, etc. I have read and enjoyed lots of manga with smaller semes, but my monkey brain always gets excited the most when the seme is at least a bit bigger than the uke (picrel). Some fujos probably aren't affected by the cavewoman instinct of assigning big/tall = man = penetrative role as much as I am, but I really don't care much about this, and accept my tastes without putting any moral value to it. I don't view the simple act of slot A goes into slot B as something degrading, and I don't think an uke in bl smut and a female mc in het smut are same just because they both enjoy being penetrated during sex.

No. 2590755

>>2590707
I honestly just thought this was Envy from FMA before I read the filename.

No. 2590759

>>2590682
Zeus could disappear from the plot and it would stay the same, actually it would be better.
It kills me to see that she handled more characters in S1 (even more than S2) but despite that she still managed to give everyone the right amount of attention and even the Horuseth tension was a lot deeper even if they had less time to interact. We also had more insight on Seth's thoughts.
S2 has a lot more chapters but it goes nowhere with the characters and plot. It started off good with Seth getting punished and rolling around like a piece of shit, but as soon as Horus gets into the picture it's all a bunch of shallow jokes, interactions and hamfisted "progress". Speaking of Horus I hate how the fans treat him like the sad poor boy that can do no wrong but he's really a clingy selfish bitch with zero balls. He sneaks Seth, the female genocider, into a secret safe place for women and tricks their leader into curing him (the leader's daughter got impaled by Seth's men) all because he wants to fuck his ass. He has no balls to tell his mom he doesn't want to marry but gets mad when Seth tells him to sort that shit out and go do his job kek.
Anubis is the one character together with Isis that had a pretty well done character development, in a way he's what Horus should have been like. Too bad Mojito makes him sleep 80% of the time and has turned him into a retard. Still in S2 his character still progresses a lot more than the others even if he doesn't appear a lot.
Also the art is kinda ugly now. Seth looked a lot better at the start of S2 especially with his expressions and hair. Now the author just draws an undefined blob for his hair and he always has the same expression. And they look too much like fridges.

No. 2590762

>>2590745
I don't think that many people are blind.

No. 2590772

>>2590745
>If you'd show that image to anyone who doesn't know the context, they'd think it's a woman.
Got bored and showed it to my friend, she thought it was a man and then said that she didn't recognize it as Sirius Black until she looked it up.

No. 2590788

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>>2590753
I like taller burlier uke, but thinking about it I also like het ships where the woman would be considered to be in the "seme" role.
I just like weak men tbh, and bl doesnt have the annoying "femdom but then actually wow reverse, now the guy is on top" trope. tbh I wouldn't complain if there was riba in Ennead either lol, but I'm not going to complain that it isn't there or expect it.

No. 2590791

File: 1751649193908.jpg (1.14 MB, 1079x2138, 1000038666.jpg)

>>2590671
Not really fair to use an art drawn by a they/them and screech at the transphobic lc fujos about how their tastes are allegedly exactly the same, even though lc fujos frequently shit on gendie art for being cringe and/or unappealing like >>2590745 nonnie said. 98% gendies either commit crimes against color theory or fuck up the concepts of sexual diamorphism, they will frequently just draw a woman and call it a man or vice versa.

No. 2590804

>>2590791
The same character is drawn with a goatee two pictures over, how womanly and feminine.

No. 2590808

>>2590714
this is why you all fujos end up trooning out

No. 2590810

>>2590671
>>2590791
not to compliment a they/them but her art is pretty. I support horny women drawing art for horny women

No. 2590813

>>2590808
nonna you messed up your word order during your insult

No. 2590815

>>2590808
If you don’t have an argument and are just throwing your blocks in the daycare because you’re upset just say that next time.

No. 2590819

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>>2590788
(Ayrt) I love emotionally strong and assertive (both in their overall dynamics and in sex) mcs in het stories myself! I just don't want her to tower over the guy, kek. I still enjoy stories like lovely complex but I won't be interested in seeing them have sex, lol. On the other hands I would go insane if beware the villainess (picrel) ever dropped a smut extra, lol.

No. 2590821

>>2590815
do you draw or read doujins that involve fat ugly men?

No. 2590822

>>2590808
Instead of having a tantrum you could write your het smut slice of life AU where nightwing and your self insert have consensual wholesome sex after marriage. No one is stopping you, getting angry at what other women do with your husbando is cringe.

No. 2590823

>>2590821
Nta but nobody is going to give you recs for that, go back.

No. 2590824

>>2590822
I'm trying to save you from trooning out

No. 2590825

>>2590821
No, that must be you since you’ve been throwing a tantrum over women drawing bishies this whole time. You sure think about fat men a lot for someone who supposedly hates them.

No. 2590827

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No. 2590829

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>>2590671
related, all the "he has a dick and balls/I like seeing feminine guys" arguments disappear when fujos to decide who's the bottom

No. 2590830

>>2590824
Tbh you sound like the closest to trooning out right now considering what you think women are.

No. 2590831

This is that “YWNBAM” girl from moidfarms isn’t it? Must be really sad spending your every waking hour thinking about TIFs to that extent.

No. 2590832

>>2590751
I don't play games like that either.

No. 2590833

>>2590824
Maybe you should stop projecting. You are the one that thinks woman=weak, submissive and raped, everyone else just enjoys cute submissive men.

No. 2590834

>>2590827
nta but this is such a self-own

No. 2590837

>>2590829
The bottom has 70% of the screentime during sex scenes ofcourse i want him to be the bottom so i can see him cum and moan.

No. 2590840

>>2588664
>nlof
lmao. What's a true fujo then? I don't want it in every story but it's nice, that's it. Sometimes it's better if the story ends on a vague note.

No. 2590841

>>2590834
Its funny to see men get raped by ugly bastards.

No. 2590842

>>2590791
>crimes against color theory
kek

No. 2590845

>>2590837
I don't think they get that most fujo don't self insert into the focus of the porn, but are rather enjoying the focus of the porn as well, the focus of the porn.

No. 2590850

>>2590840
To me, nlof should only be used for fujos like the heartstopper author who shit on the genre and distance themselves from it just to prop up their own BL.

No. 2590852

>>2590850
Yeah, she's pretty clearly one. Just own the fact that you like drawing two men kissing. It's okay.

No. 2590855

>>2590845
A lot of western and chinese fujos definitely self insert. That's what happens with fanart constantly and ends with the drawn character being completely ooc.

No. 2590859

>>2590845
I personally don't self insert into porn/r34 stuff because I'm just there to see two attractive men fuck. If it's a relationship, that's a little more variable.

No. 2590864

>>2590855
I don't count about half of those because they're so easily clockable as yume that really just want in on the community and label (Brujo). So, most.

No. 2590870

>>2590864
I really wish they would just go be yumes, they even have a cute little label for themselves now what do they still need us for?

No. 2590883

>>2590855
i think some chinese fujos are just closeted bisexuals, which is why they draw so much cuntboy shit. Makes sense considering being homo in china is outlawed. Absolutely no straight person draws cuntboy or futa.

No. 2590896

>>2590831
It sure sounds like her

No. 2590897

>>2590824
This is not twitter, nona, we don't like troons here

No. 2590901

>>2590850
I know this isn't controversial to say here but it's so funny and stupid that the heartstopper girl and the red white and royal blue girl both pretend to be bisexual and nonbinary to avoid accusations of cultural appropriation. I know you'll get crucified if you point out they're lying but like, I know for a fact that everyone who's ever heard them claim to be these things knows they're lying, even the girls who would never even want to call them out because they're telling the same lies lmao.

No. 2590902

>>2590759
Seth isn't any better imo. He still went along with the woman temple thing and chimped the fuck out for no reason. He's still an abusive piece of shit that appears to appreciate humans but really he's still an ass. He hasn't really learned a damned thing and just wants to go back to play house with his wife again. All he does is cry and pass out. S2 is bad and Zeus is a good reason for it because so much focus went to him and the sole reason he exists is to cockblock the plot or characters from progressing. He's a literal wrench in the clogs. And mojito expects us to think he gives a shit about his siblings? She didn't even develop him. Yes we're going to pity the monkey man that will go back and rape two of his sisters and fuck over his other brothers. So kind and caring.

No. 2590914

>>2590883
Nta but shit you're right lol. I thought they were essentially self inserting their own vagina, but it makes sense if they're repressed bisexuals on top of that.

>>2590831
MTE KEK. The one who thinks men can contribute to yuri and that lesbians will not only be grateful about it, but will also want to read it too. Fucking retard.

No. 2590944

>>2590841
It's ironic, this is absolutely not a serious porn addiction.

No. 2590977

>>2590788
Sharing is caring nonna. What's the source?

No. 2591014

File: 1751658832017.png (1.63 MB, 1899x685, 4568531.png)

>>2590671
I really wonder if they really believe moids look like this

No. 2591015

>>2590977
NTA but kawaii no wa ore de aru

No. 2591023

>>2591015
How long until it gets posted as a way to crap on female authors here kek.

No. 2591032

>>2591014
THAT has to be a genderbend version the fuck

No. 2591043

File: 1751660525426.png (1.15 MB, 2048x1314, GtTxfy0WEAAn4p3.png)

>>2591032
george was always the feminized dsmp member and this is how a large section of the fandom genuinely views him

No. 2591046

>>2591014
They don't because it's not real. Are we gonna police fantasy settings for having elves and dragons in it or anime characters with pink hair?

No. 2591062

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>>2590688
How dare you Slade is not a fat old man, he's just an old man.

No. 2591081

>>2591046
but it's fan-art of a real person

No. 2591085

>>2591043
>>2591014
you could write an article about the fact, pre-face reveal Dream was mostly portrayed as a top (like 70%) in fanworks, but once he did reveal his face he's only ever portrayed as a top now, like 99% of the time he's draw as this hulking, muscular giant.

No. 2591094

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>>2591085
Very similar to RM from BTS, he was objectively the ugliest member and so fans resorted to making the "dom daddy" in most pairings

No. 2591119

>>2591043
Wasn't there a huge chunk of his fangirls who tried to "defend" him from some lady who said he raped her because he's such an uwu soft boy? This shit happened like years ago though, i might be mistaking him for a different retard. I wonder what these people think of RPF/shipping, especially today when seeing porn of yourself is as easy as searching a phrase or two on xitter.
>>2591094
I'll never understand why so many girls thirsted after them when they were still relevant. Not in a racebait-y way but all of the bts fags are hideous even after rounds and rounds of plastic surgery.

No. 2591124

>>2591119
he groped a girl a few years ago, but the weirdest thing is that george leans into the fetishism, he makes gay jokes and innuendos and he doesn't seem to care even if he is the "bottom" in these pairings, because he still has simps who give him hundreds of dollars in his streams

No. 2591135

>>2591119
We’re going to get kpoopy redtexted for this but when my sister tried to get me into them the only fuckable or memorable member to me was Taehyung hes hotter after the military, and goooooooooood I love his blond era. I love how much of a little slut he is, The rest of them (Jungkook I guess I could excuse being attracted to, just isn’t my type) barely are attractive enough to be the waiters of Benihanas, Namjoon and Hobi would be forced to be linecooks. These are the faces of anonymous sex offense perpetrators, how does nearly every woman on earth’s OVARY EXPLOOD enough to spend thousands of dollars on albums for pieces of plastic with shooped selfies and write furry rape fanfic of them latter is EXTREMLY based however

No. 2591140

File: 1751667044046.png (558.82 KB, 600x450, 5CNvygB.png)

>>2591135
>Taehyung
He looks like he's the only one letting himself age naturally instead of forcing himself to stay 20 through botox and surgeries.

No. 2591146

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>>2590576
>>2590600
>Seth had better chemistry with Nepthys.
There are so many other goddamn mangas you could read if you wanted to watch a guy fuck his sister.

>Forced and rushed

It took them like 140 chapters just to actually kiss. I feel like I'm being gaslit right now.

>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL

This is like going to a sushi restaurant and being mad that chicken nuggets aren't on the menu.

>>2590451
I liked Egyptian mythology long before this kek. AoM got me into that shit when I was like nine.

>>2590453
Please no spoilers I'm a poorfag and I don't have access to the newest chapter yet

>>2590616
Kind of a digression, but can I just ask: is rape justifiable if it's self-defense, like a rape-or-be-raped situation? Because Horace only rapes Seth during the trials because Seth tried to rape him first.

Anyway, I agree that Ennead is flawed, a lot of its detractors just seem upset that the story isn't as generic or formulaic as they want it to be. Honestly the think I dislike the most about Ennead is the retarded love triangle with Foreign God, specifically because it's the most generic, cliche thing about the comic. Also I find Foreign God incredibly annoying and unfunny personality-wise.

No. 2591159

>>2591146
>Please no spoilers I'm a poorfag and I don't have access to the newest chapter yet
nta, but can you just pirate it?

No. 2591161

>>2590840
People who are chill instead of being virtue-signalling moralfags. Imo an NLOF is someone who insists that she cares about "representation" and doesn't want to "fetishize" gay men, when it's obvious she just likes reading about hot guys in love like the rest of us degenerates.

No. 2591163

>>2591159
The site I usually use doesn't have the latest chapters in English, just Korean.

No. 2591189

>>2591146
>Age of Mythology player
Based ♥

No. 2591190

As a kid in my first fandoms I never understood why it was such an evil that fujos supposedly fetishised gay men. Billions of moids fetishise gay women, actually cause harm via assault, corrective rape, but nobody bats an eye.

No. 2591199

File: 1751669065167.png (276.28 KB, 384x445, hippo.png)

>>2591189
I'm going to send my flying purple hippo to your base to shower you with kisses

No. 2591204

>>2591201
I find it so funny that no one likes Zeus.

No. 2591210

>>2590759
>Zeus could disappear from the plot and it would stay the same, actually it would be better.
Agreed. He's the Jar Jar Binks of Ennead.

I've fucked up trying to post this three times. Kms

>>2591204
>I find it so funny that no one likes Zeus.
He doesn't even fucking belong there! It feels like he's literally just in the story to get in the way, be annoying, and rape people out of nowhere. Which I guess is also what he does in his own mythology kek

No. 2591217

>>2591210
>he's literally just in the story to get in the way, be annoying, and rape people out of nowhere
To be fair that sounds very close to the source material

No. 2591222

>>2591190
and yet fujos in japan sided with male lolicons

No. 2591225

>>2591119
>2014 fangirl lore mode activate
It's because they produced their own music at the time in a no-name company so they stood out as underdogs compared to all the big name companies.

Rapmon, Suga, and J-hope were the core 3 who invented BTS and the main producers, so even though RM and JH look like frogs the 3 of them were the actual brains of the group and already partook in underground rap subcultures in Hongdae or whatever so they actually had experience producing their own music and freestyling in front of crowds in competition with other rappers years before debut, so they weren't just going to step down from performing just because they looked ugly. It was their company (Big hit) who pushed them into an idol group when it was originally a rap quartet — there was a 4th guy but he had chronic insomnia so stepped down — and after BTS's first idol album came out Rapmon actually showed it to his rap friends and they laughed and called him a sellout kek. Also there was drama from established rappers because idols are considered lesser, and so these (older and WAY less popular!!1!) rappers did not support BTS, which turned BTS into martyrs to their fans kek.

Anyway Jimin and JK were established as dancers because all idol groups need dancers, and V and Jin were the main vocalists and "visuals" because all idol groups need models for product promotion and attracting fans. Sorted. Overall, promotions were going steady but they were mostly only known outside of Korea because idol groups in general were considered kind of lame and for kids in Korea, luckily Rapmon knew English so he made international promotions a lot easier because he could talk with fans which meant more fans could connect with their favourite idol. Wow! Then 1D split and all the 1D fans flocked to BTS. It was mostly good timing. Unfortunately those fans brought their retarded fanfic tropes along with them and daddy dom retardation was one of them.

Anyway in general the Korean entertainment industry will force its celebs to get botox (even if it means in the back of a van) but the thing is is that the body may react badly (especially if its cheap botox). Jimin looked the most frog-like because he had a bad reaction to it to the point of his face looking bloated, so he became dysmorphic and an ana-kun, but then got popular because of his abs but he was still considered a butterface. Even early on (2014-2015 time) if you were a fan and claimed to be attracted to RM you were side-eyed for lying and assumed to just be saying it for attention kek.

Thanks for reading I will gladly accept my no kpop ban.(no kpop)

No. 2591227

>>2591222
shhh this is the cope thread, don't say things that will upset the weebs.

No. 2591232

>>2591222
Tbf look at China now, they're straight up arresting women.
Fujos are always going to be on thin ice because they're not interested in fucking men and are instead drawing men together, it's not just seething yume that want fujo gone entirely, if bl can be censored using any method it will be censored. It only gets by because of anticensorship (which yeah, sadly the lolicons want that too. For themselves and not fujo, but sadly anticensorship uncensors both) and profit.

No. 2591235

>>2591222
More like fujos don't want to be jailed for drawing men kissing while lolicons don't want to be jailed for literal crimes. Doesn't mean fujos support lolicons.

No. 2591237

>>2591119
>I'll never understand why so many girls thirsted after them when they were still relevant.

It's because of psychological data-marketing based on mental health using cult-like tactics.
Yes im serious, when they went viral is when they relied on mental health marketing and traumabaiting the most.

just a example
>BigHit Entertainment made a survey for BTS fans to answer. The first questions were ok but the last part seem to be personal. Some people say that BigHit is profiting over fans' mental health issues by releasing BTS' Love Yourself series. Opinions?

No. 2591247

>>2591161
Why fetishize real gay men anyway? The reality is often less attractive than the fantasy but so many libfem antifujos insist we like two ugly hairy moids slamming their cocks up their asses? I will admit, a lot of it is retarded but that's your brain on faghag handmaiden slop.

No. 2591255

>>2591227
>>2591222
People have brought this up many times before. Fujos aren't a hivemind, and there's been LOTS of discussion on both sides of this debate concerning the differences between Western and Eastern fujos.

>>2591235
I think they're subscribing to the slippery slop fallacy. They erroneously think that banning loli is a "gateway drug" to totalitarian crackdown on all NSFW content. Personally? I find loli evil and repulsive, but I also think art should only be a crime if a child (or anyone for that matter) was exploited in the making of it. This is one of those things we need to combat with cultural shame, not the law. Shame needs to be brought back in a big way, both in Japan and the West. I want to live in a world where people are too ashamed to put up giant tiddy billboards in the middle of Tokyo, or wear gimp suits in public at pride parades. The healthy reaction to pornified shit in a public place should be disgust and ridicule.

No. 2591260

>>2591235
nta but that bill in Japan would tackle anything that contained sexualized images of children, you could draw as much dirty stuff as you wanted but nothing with children

No. 2591262

>>2591247
Agreed. I rarely come across 3DPD slop I find appealing. Mainstream gay porn is full of fuggos that only got hired because they have big dicks or lots of muscles. It's nearly impossible to find two live-action guys who are actually beautiful. Plus normie porn is moid-centric in that there's typically little romantic build-up or foreplay, they just go directly from bad acting to cringey rough sex.

No. 2591265

>>2591260
See my other comment, I think a lot of lolifags used the slippery slope fallacy to manipulate non-shota BL artists into siding with them.

No. 2591268

>>2591255
Samefag, I just realized I wrote
>slippery slop fallacy
On accident lmao

No. 2591271

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>>2590813
>All troon out, you fujos will

No. 2591274

>>2591260
Sure and China is just going after the bad porn.
Do you really think that's how things would really work?

No. 2591275

>>2591232
There are plenty of fujoshi dating and marrying men, and even having kids though. Fujoshi being accused of things that aren't real isn't uncommon but arresting them because they spread degeneracy instead of getting married and having kids is stupid because they're producing and publishing BL on top of dating/marrying men and sometimes having kids. But then again it's China.

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>>2591274
I absolutely hate the precedent in East Asia for lobbying against the freedom and livelihoods of female artists, but I can’t act like I actually care that Danmei itself as a genre might cease production, it’s the most boring shit imaginable to me. I only see damei that look like clones of heaven’s official blessing, and hof already bored me out of my mind and I find nothing appealing about it. I truly don’t see how westerners who have plenty of BL options from different countries (were absolutely spoiled now that thailand is producing glorified pornos with fleshfaggots) are getting into danmei, screams major yellow fever to me, so many husbandofags would spend thousands of hours and dollars obsessing over and building shrines to Bhutanese stoning victims because they’re Asian. Though for nonnies who are into Danmei, what got you into it? Is there a specific reason you prefer it over the BL from Japan, Korea, etc?

No. 2591305

>>2590506
I agree with most of your criticisms but
>fucked while high off fertility magic
is a cope, because if the temple were the only reason they'd had sex, then he would've fucked the magic ghost lady in there, too. Also I think Seth rejecting Horus has more to do with his own insecurities than it does an actual lack of interest. He's so troubled by all the shit he's done and been through that he assumes Horus' affectionate gestures are due to pity, or Horus underestimating his strength. And also as other anons have pointed out, he feels guilty about cheating on his wife.

Seth could have actually worked through some of these personal problems, but instead Mojito wasted a bunch of time dicking around with Foreign God and all of his nonsense. The bit where Seth is sick and runs away only to get sold into slavery is particularly aggravating. It completely interrupts the story progression seemingly just so we can have another series of gratuitous rape scenes. Plus why the hell would Seth tolerate Foreign God hanging around after that? The story would have made more sense if none of that happened, and instead Foreign God just showed up at the temple with the caravan while Horus and the blind lady were caring for Seth.

No. 2591310

>>2591265
so they were manipulated?

No. 2591311

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>>2591299
Samefag but I’m also curious about how prevalent Husbando Sex tourism to Korea, Japan etc. is statistically, it’d be a pretty funny reversal on how East Asian moids pillage SEA as one of the most common demographics of Johns. I’m curious especially if the recent popularity of kpoop and slash for shounen slop in third world countries like India and Mexico inspires some Stacys to take the pilgrimage to oppar-paradise.

No. 2591315

>>2591299
from what I understand, the reason danmei and flowery language became popular in china is because of the ever increasing chinese censorship. anything that was outright obscene wasn’t just taken down but you'd get a fine. but if you ever uploaded drawn gory pictures or anything with children, you ended up in a chinese labor camp (a moid artist suffered this fate and the entire internet celebrated it), but it seems that even the tactic of flowery language doesn’t work anymore.

No. 2591316

>>2591299
I like danmei, though I also like bl in general, Korean and Japanese too (I havent gotten around to reading other types lol)
Personally, I like the dark and twisted but still really silly kinda humor, the stories are interesting but aren't too long and I like how crass some of plots can get despite how censored to eloquency the characters are, I actually like the cultivation and political fuckery. That sort of evil zombies taking over the world, I eat that shit up.
Tbh I might just be easily satisfied, I even gobble up isekai (nonbl ones included) novels and stuff like ORV too which I feel like would filter most with the amount of time spent spell casting and setting up meta lovecraftian book shit.

No. 2591328

>>2590664
so its fine if it’s trap x trap?

No. 2591330

>>2591328
No because then they'll just say that kind of stuff is for TiMs

No. 2591331

>>2591328
nta Uke x uke is pretty hot tbh.

No. 2591332

>>2591299
HOB is the most boring of MXTX's work imo. I like danmei for its varied genres and subject matter which I find more expansive than JP gen anime (excluding gen manga). It basically tackles everything under the sun (with some exceptions e.g. modern politics) and adds BL romance to it. I think most westerners find danmei appealing for the historical/cultural aspects, especially the cultivation and court drama/political intrigue stories which are not as frequently explored in JP and KR BL.

I enjoy JP BL manga but most of the recent published work is just rehashing of old tropes and cliches. There are so many great artists but they aren't that great as storytellers, and as someone who values a great story over great aesthetics it loses out to danmei in that aspect.

KR manhwa is fun (I love melodramatic soap dramas) and I see it as the fast food/fast fashion equivalent of BL. There's a lot of slop published, but even some of the slop is so bad that it's good. On the plus side you can see the stories to the end within a year or two.

No. 2591338

>>2591337
Go back to /cm/

No. 2591340

>>2591337
>inb4 banned for saying the truth

No. 2591345

>>2591337
nonna delete this now and you may avoid the incoming redtext

No. 2591346


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>>2591222
Because it was an all or nothing law, retard. That's like wanting to make a law that bans only hentai for moids, sounds amazing in paper but no law makers is going to make an excuse for women despite not raping or hurting men in any way because most law makers are moids. China has porn outlawed but Azur lane makes bajizillion dollars despite having characters like this while danmei authors are arrested for drawing yaoi. Korea also has anti pornography laws but they made Azur Lane. You seem to think a law would stop moids when even banning all pornography like in china and korea doesnt stop them from raping.

No. 2591360

>>2591337
Not the first thing I'd consider. Lowest I can go these days is twink x twink. Something about featureless bodies is a turnoff. I might've agreed when I was, idk, 14?

No. 2591362

>>2591355
if they managed to pass a law in the west that banned all pornography men and pickmes would make sure images of women being raped still classified as "high art" so only art that sexualizes men would be affected by their law

No. 2591405

>>2591355
Anti-porn laws also tend to be either weak or under-enforced. That's how you end up with dumb shit like the tiny censor bars in hentai that don't cover anything besides like, a single fold in the frenulum, or like, one quarter of a clitoris.

No. 2591447

>>2591362
True. Even on tumblr, despite porn being banned on there, I reported some degenerate BDSM shibari photo and it still didn't get marked as porn because it was considered artsy. Ngl men really do deserve to suffer for the shit they've put women through and keep re-enforcing. Why is it that I can't even browse a female website without being reminded of male degradation of women because a pickme is brainwashed enough to think she's cool for reblogging it? That's why I'll always support fujoshi because it's the only community that men can't stand and the focus of degradation is never on women. Fujos have standards while a pickme is detrimental to my mental health kek.

No. 2591460

>>2591355
>Because it was an all or nothing law
It was literally against the sexual portrayal of children. you could literally do whatever you wanted with adult characters. How could that be a problem?

No. 2591467

>>2591460
It was the potrayal of anyone underage not lolicon. So women who want to draw doujins featuring haikyuu husbandos who are like 16 would have been targetted too.

No. 2591473

>>2591467
so you'd rather be okay with men drawing all those fucked up toddler art as long as that means you are able to 16 year old doujins?

Wow, so that other anon was right that fujos are on lolicons side.

No. 2591476

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>>2590374
Late but omg there's a yuri version

No. 2591479

>>2591473
wow so you side with the Japanese law makers? who are mostly male? probably men who have assault women or were creeps? so lc antifujos are on the side of old Japanese creeps?
thats what you sound like.

No. 2591483

>>2591479
stop strawmanning you retard and just take the L

No. 2591496

>>2591473
>>2591483
Nta but you're the one who should just take the L tbh.
The moment it was pointed out how these laws go you lost
>inb4 slippery slope fallacy
It's not a slippery slope if it's clearly happening right now in another country.

No. 2591511

>>2590374
How can you get cucked by a cartoon. Wouldnt you also get cucked by the female characters if that was the case?

No. 2591520

>>2591473
Men are going to do it anyways need i remind you its banned in korea and chine and scrotes there draw it anyways? if laws were enough for men to stop being degens multiple pedo rings sharing cp in the dark web wouldnt exist.

No. 2591523

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>>2591511
No you don't understand anon, one day we will experience the Dimensional Merge prophesied by CWC and every anons' husbando will reach out of the drawing Take On Me style. Then we fujos will be the fools, because the objects of our desire will be too busy banging each other to embrace us. We must all prepare for the coming Dimensional Merge by only viewing solo porn of the guys we like, lest our 2D husbandos cuckold us with other 2D characters after we've become 2D ourselves.

No. 2591524

>>2591496
your siding with lolicons

No. 2591525

>>2591523
I believe, nona

No. 2591527

>>2591524
Lolicon shit started as a way to drive fujos away, by being an anti youre siding with them too.
Or maybe, just maybe, two seperate groups can be forced to agree on one thing while also hating each other.

No. 2591529

>>2591524
nta but how do you explain blue archive and azur lane, porn is banned both in korea and china and those games still exist. Men literally dont go to jail even if they posses real cp(kyle carroza) you think the authorities are going to jail moids who jack it off to cartoon children.

No. 2591530

>>2591523
What if I have a husbando(s) and also BL ships that don't include him? Where does that leave me when the Dimensional Merge happens, wise nonna?

No. 2591531

>>2591523
What if I have a husbando(s) and also BL ships that don't include him? Where does that leave me when the Dimensional Merge happens, wise nonna?

No. 2591534

>>2591531
threesome

No. 2591536

>>2591524
my siding? with lolicons??
Japanese fujos sided with their own self-interests and have nothing to be ashamed of

No. 2591538

>>2591531
What if my husbando is canonically a slut to begin with

No. 2591543

>>2591531
>>2591538
You will be sentenced to the Cuck Chair to atone for your sins

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>>2591473
>>2591467
Think for a minute about picrel.
He is 17.

No. 2591620

The reading comprehension is godawful ITT, jesus.

No. 2591625

>>2591620
It's funny. I cone here when I want to feel like I can prove a point and be right, even if I am arguing with a brick wall that repeats its arguments every other week. No I will not say which side I'm on.

No. 2591628

>>2591625
Gonna pretend it's mine, thanks.

No. 2591640

>>2591612
antis on twitter will say youre a literal pedophile if you think he's hot kekkkk

No. 2591719

>>2590902
Yeah but at least Seth is getting raped left and right for it. There is some sort of progress from the start of S2 in terms of his character. I agree though that the progress sucks because now he's just a damsel in distress. Mojito's attempt to make readers empathise with Zeus now is fucking pathetic.

>>2591305
I didn't mean to say that the only reason Seth fucked Horus is because of the fertility magic, just that the author used it to speed their relationship up in an unnatural way because she couldn't do it normally (she preferred to show faggot god instead you know). It all felt hamfisted in and I'm not the only one that felt that way.

>>2591146
It's forced and rushed because the author didn't use those 140 chapters to peoperly lead up to them kissing and fucking. You know full well she used them to shove FG in and have Seth be gangraped by random ugly men. And when Horus appears there's either FG or Anubis or plot that take away the attention. It's like the author wants me to think that Horuseth is shallow or something.

No. 2591850

>>2591719
I still like Horus a lot regardless of what's been happening. The issue the author being disrespectful to her own character. It almost feels like she regrets making him the LI, but we all know it would be career suicide if she changed the ship. It's really not his fault that mojito has been cockblocking him into having an actual believable relationship with Seth when she thinks adding XD humor and Zeus and Anubis unnecessarily into the mix. Also she made Seth a very unreasonable and very het guy. No amount of "bisexual" will change how he seems more pussy attracted. S1 she seemed like a genius but S2 is just trash all over.

And no one fucking likes Zeus. His fans are some of the most insipid, most illiterate people you'll ever meet. Only retards like him

No. 2591913

>>2591719
>>2591850
Look, I think a lot of these criticisms are fair. But I just don't think the plot going off the rails in a few places means that their relationship is "rushed" or that Seth is "clearly" straight. Those are the exact same arguments scrotes use whenever a gay ship is made canon in non-BL media. The relationship between the characters isn't going to work out until Horus learns some self-respect and Seth works through all of his guilt and trauma. I think those two arcs are the core of the story even though Mojito often seems to get distracted by other things. I think we're generally in agreement that more character development has to happen before the characters can "work" as a couple. But in my opinion, that's just the natural trajectory of the story, and not some kind of "proof" the characters are forever incompatible.

I think maybe you guys are too accustomed to stories where the characters gradually fall in love, kiss, fuck, and then live happily ever after. But there do exist stories where characters try to pursue a relationship, it doesn't work out, and then they get back together later in the story after they've completed their arcs. Louis and Lestat in the Vampire Chronicles books would be an example of that. And honestly? When it's done right, it can be way more compelling than a more "straightforward" romance with less conflict. I'm not saying its being done right in Ennead, because as we've established there are a lot of dumb digressions, but I'm still willing to wait it out and see what happens.

No. 2591933

Are hetship anons seriously out here arguing that a woman "belongs" with her ex-husband who brutally abused their child? How can you honestly claim hetships are more "feminist" than slash when the ships you like are often just as ~unhealthy~ as the ones fujoshis like?

No. 2591980

>>2591933
while i wouldnt make the assertion that hetshipper=antifujo (so i dont want to speculate on hetshippers as a whole) from everything antifujos have said in this thread they actually would prefer to ship an abusive heterosexual couple over an abusive m/m couple because at least it would be a woman being directly abused and not a male, who is a female surrogate in their mind. they view abuse of women as natural, and any abuse of a male as the writer/readers secret desire to see women being abused.

No. 2592232

>>2591933
There is a specific brand of hetshipper that revels in their ship being "problematic" (only if the man is the unhealthy one of course) yet constantly tries to call out fujos for being "hypocritical" for enjoying male abuse but not female abuse. Meanwhile these hetshippers will call their content feminist for "exploring dark themes in female sexuality" yet the only theme encouraged to be explored is female abuse.

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>>2590685
>>2590688
>children
>Nightwing
Dick Grayson didn't become Nightwing until he was a grown-ass man though

No. 2592259

You don't see men arguing that other men should not like lesbianporn.
Why we as women feel so compeled to control what other women like or not?
This is so borish.

No. 2592283

>>2592259
I'm honestly sick of tired of anything women enjoy put under the looking glass whilst men get to do whatever the fuck they want. Like, why is this even thing? I like my shit, you like yours. Let's go on our on own lanes in peace. People shouldn't be obligated like what others like? That's so fucking retarded, jfc.

No. 2592293

>>2592259
>>2592283
Finally some sanity. I'm a fujo and never understood the shit-flinging from all sides. I don't care if someone doesn't ship what I ship, it's not real so why should it effect my feelings so deeply? We all share a common ground and that is that women as consumers are an after thought, nobody is going to fight for our interests in media when we're so busy arguing with each other over scraps.

No. 2592300

>>2592259
At least in weeb circles moids call each other cucks for liking yuri kek

No. 2592360

>>2592300
It's retarded behavior and we shouldn't do it either. You cannot be cuckolded by a drawing because it's impossible to fuck one to begin with. Are you getting "cucked" by a celebrity crush who gets married? No, because you were never in a relationship with that person in the first place.

No. 2592366

>>2592259
>>2592283
It’s never going to stop unless women in the Western fandom stop trying to prove their taste is the most righteous and feminist of them all. Specifically in western fandoms, because from what I know, this stupid shit is only really prevalent here. Some anons even do it here. I’ve said it before: it’s just back-and-forth policing over what others like, based on what they deem “un-feminist.” I personally don’t care if women enjoy BL, GL, hetships, toxic maledom smut, or femdom, but some anons clearly care way too much about what others are into.

No. 2592371

>>2592366
I find calling any of this "feminist" absolutely retarded. It's cartoon porn.

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>>2592366
>>2592371
Agree. We are our own worst enemies sometimes. I don't view whatever things I happen to enjoy as morally superior to shit I dislike. For instance, I'm repulsed and annoyed by furries, but I'm not going to pretend my cartoon porn is somehow more ethical than their cartoon porn. I just don't share their taste and find them kinda cringe, but they're free to do what they want.

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>>2592476
>I just don't share their taste and find them kinda cringe, but they're free to do what they want.
That's how I feel about it too.
What annoys me more is the weird attitude where if you don't enjoy something that is the norm, you're a puritan, prude, pickme, etc. Stop finding ways to moralize this shit already.

No. 2592517

I couldn't live in a world where morality dictated what I liked. If that were the case, anything not vanilla het would be a sin to enjoy. And I like vanilla het IRL. In fiction I am a filthy 2D moid gobbler of yaoi. They are not the same. If a woman enjoys women being abused in fiction then whatever man. I'm still gonna enjoy my feminine uke x masculine seme holding hands in my flowershop AU tumblr cringe.

No. 2592529

>>2591311
Not an immigration officer in either of the three, but it heavily depends on your definition of husbando sex tourism. Like, would an Indonesian kpoop fangirl going to SK so she can molest random DJs and hongdae fuckboys count as sex tourism? If we include SEA and China stacys then korea would probably be #1 tbh. China has literally no cultural export outside of shooped xhs thirst traps, vidya or labubu (kek), and Japan still has a lot of normie tourist appeal. Most of the people you see are just regular tourists, even in the major cities. You'll rarely see a Lorena/Venus/Himezawa/Gaya or any other old school /snow/ type visa gaijin waifus, or at least the types of women who WOULD be a japan cow 10 years ago prefer to go the Dania route and visit for vacay just to pump and dump rando hosts/ugly band guys. I heavily doubt the actual statistics are higher maybe 25% for all female tourism combined, I thankfully have no ties to SK so I don't have any personal anecdotes but I imagine their numbers are insanely high. Kinda funny considering how psychotic korean men are, I guess yellow fever is one hell of a drug.

Slightly OT but I love the recent resurgence in vintage Venus milk, it's so fun to talk about her weeb days

No. 2592580

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>>2592259
>You don't see men arguing that other men should not like lesbianporn.
You do see that though.

No. 2592599

>>2592580
why do weebs have to take everything to extremes like this? two girls together is hot if you're a straight guy, why all the psychoanalysis

No. 2592603

>>2592599
Waifufags are just kinda like that, it's the same reason they have autism attacks if their waifu loses in a harem anime.

No. 2592805

>>2592580
The writing style in this infographic reeks of autism. Also it's weird how it conflated cuckoldry with raceplay. I feel like most moids into it are polyfags and swingers who just let their wife/girlfriend pick the guy.

No. 2594175

>>2592259
I got pummeled on the other farms because being a fujo is unfemanist since "youre self inserting into a male"
Wtf I'm not self inserting at all… I cant even read y/n fics cause putting myself in the universe feels weird.
I kind of suspect theres a certain narcissism at play where you have to visualize yourself in the story in some way, but also demand everyone else do that. I dont really understand why else someone would care if other women read about gay guys.

No. 2594417

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>>2594175
>Kiwifarmers thinking they're in a position to decide what is or is not feminist

No. 2595492

>>2591299
>Though for nonnies who are into Danmei, what got you into it? Is there a specific reason you prefer it over the BL from Japan, Korea, etc?
I just don't care about comics or fanfics and want an original story, preferably without vomit-unducing tumblr-flavor writing and with a semblance of plot, and danmei fills that need. I was a really sad fujo before discovering it.
It's awesome danmei exists if you're like me, although I don't know how much you can really explore it if you don't know Chinese, I feel like they only translate some dogshit popular among 14 year olds like hof kek

No. 2595495

>>2594175
>>2594417
Kek was it YWNBAM?

No. 2595647

>>2595495
Yes…

No. 2595653

>>2595647
Nta but she is the resident fujosperg who keeps going on about pregnant men when I have never seen that in a yaoi. I have seen it in the summaries and tags of M/Ftm fics on ao3 though which are tagged as M/M. Which means she goes on ao3's M/M section often enough to remain eternally pissed off about it. It's a shame she comes here to sperg about it instead of just going directly to the comment boxes of the fics she hates.

No. 2595654

>>2594175
They literally think like trannies that cannot watch any form of media without self inserting topkek. I bet they also think in ''feminine female'' erasure and get angry when their self insert has a personality instead of being generic kawiwi meek tardwife

No. 2595674

>>2595654
Nta there's also the aspect of men being upset with images of themselves being degraded (despite them all being porn addicts themselves) and then pickme women caping for them. YWNBAM anon comes across to me like she is making a show of it on KF because she wants men to see her defending them from ebil fujos.

No. 2595677

>>2595674
anons posted about YWNBAM she's actually pissed because she feels cucked by fujos >>>/ot/2550990

No. 2595679

>>2595677
Kekkkkk I can't even imagine being so fragile about a fictional moid getting dicked. Holy fucking shit that's funny. All her posts ranting about other women are fueled by her childhood husbando taking it up the ass.

No. 2595688

>>2595679
It's genuinely so pathetic it reminds me of when i was like 12 and it used to sent me into a fit of rage to see my cartoon husbando fall in love with a female character. I cannot imagine being over 18 and still feeling pissed over that cringe shit.

No. 2595690

>>2595674
>defending them from ebil fujos.
i doubt moids are getting triggered from fag porn considering how much gay memes are popular like gachamuchi and fem(pedo)boy shit ,tbh it sounds like a cope from fujoshis

No. 2595691

>>2595690
Men literally cried over some shitty medieval game making the characters fags

No. 2595692

>>2595690
Kiwifags are that insecure, though.

No. 2595698

>>2595674
Pick me types on KF are so strange since it’s one of the areas on the internet that even if they simp for you temporarily they’ll immediately turn on you once they get bored and start doxxing.

No. 2595699

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>>2595679
That post where she got mad about Zoisite from sailor moon being gay will never not be funny to me
As if Zoisite isn’t one of the most stereotypically gay looking characters out there kek.

No. 2595705

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>>2595699
Also just to piss off YWNBAW chan, Mamoru should have gotten with that gay alien from the movie and prince Demande should have fucked his little brother.

No. 2595707

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>>2595698
Never forget about the final boss of kiwitards pickmes that was permabanned for sperging about null allowing a man hate thread on kiwifarms.

No. 2595709

>>2595707
>paladinboo
is that the kfuser that got banned because she posted her tits or something?

No. 2595711

>>2595707
>>2595709
>post COVID reg dates
>retardation
Oh no who would've thought

No. 2595712

>>2595707
For people who shit on fakebois they sure do self hate as much as them kek.

No. 2595715

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>>2595712
she's perlythings levels of ugly i almost feel sorry for her because she was always sperging about ''ugly tumblr landwhales'' complaining about coomshit in videogames yet she's incredibly ugly looking, just with opposite politics. Something about ugly people bullying others for their looks always gives me a chuckle.

No. 2595717

>>2595712
i mean both are the same side of being chronically online

No. 2595720

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>straight women love straight shit
Then why is most of AO3's top 100 gay ships kek
>It's unhealthy for a straight woman to like gay male sex, it's a sign of her outlooks on her object of attraction and her own sex being warped.
This is so schizo my fucking sides, part of me almost thinks she has a fujo side deep down and that's why she's so intense about hating it.

No. 2595721

>>2595715
This woman isn't ugly imo

No. 2595723

>>2595698
>>2595707
Kiwifags aren't quality men. Not a single one is worth simping/NLOG for. Some women just like to walk into the most hostile and disgusting places and trick themselves into thinking that those men's opinions matter. But I digress.

No. 2595725

>>2595721
I wouldn't call her pretty but I also don't think she's incredibly ugly, you can definitely tell she's got mental issues from her face alone though.

No. 2595728

>>2595720
Let me play a little Mad Libs here. Wonder if it'd go down as well with her coomer moid audience.
>It's unhealthy for a straight man to like gay female sex, it's a sign of his outlooks on his object of attraction and his own sex being warped.

No. 2595729

>>2595728
To be fair it's kiwifarms and they're all homophobes so they might agree with her.

No. 2595731

>>2595729
They might turn their noses up at actual lesbians (whom they don't find attractive/who don't perform for them) but you'd be hard pressed to find users on that site who don't think lesbian porn is hot and somehow doesn't fall into the 'straights watching gays is just cuckery/self-insertion' argument.

No. 2595733

>>2595720
>Yaoi is all about men being superior and their relationships between each other being more "equal and pure" than if they were with "over-emotional weak wahmen"
Yet 90% of yaoi is men being raped and cry-orgasming about it? Fujos love crying men.

No. 2595736

>>2595733
Yeah I think she's confusing yaoi with yuri.

No. 2595739

>>2595733
Yeah, yuri is usually considered "pure" and yaoi "rotten" hence fujoshi=rotten women.
It's not like it's rare for bl to get into the dirtier one night stands/grindr aspects of romance either, its annoying when people act like bl is all just Sasaki and Miyano.

No. 2595740

>>2595739
>its annoying when people act like bl is all just Sasaki and Miyano.
Tourists have been trying to convince people of this for a while now, I unironically see fakejoshis sperg about not wanting to see rape scenes.

No. 2595748

>>2595736
I love it when male yurifags call yuri "purer" than het or BL—they're basically admitting that any relationship with a man involved is tainted by default.

No. 2595750

>>2595736
Funny thing about that, I thought her logic about centering men being bad makes way more sense if she believes yuri to superior to both 3D and BL. But is she even a yurifag?

No. 2595752

>>2595741
>>2595750
She touched on yuri and seems uninterested. She just wants cute straight men for herself and fujos get in the way of that.
>>2555147

No. 2595753

>>2595750
Don’t think she is, she’s just a yume experiencing generational asshurt over her husbando getting his anal cavity explored by penises.

No. 2595757

>>2595715
Hope she grows out of it

No. 2595760

>>2595748
I mean I guess they're not wrong there kek (and I say this as a fujo)
>>2595750
>But is she even a yurifag?
No she likes het that's focused on the woman with the man as her accessory.

No. 2595768

>>2595752
thought so. I just hoped she was one because better than whatever hypocritical mess that is.
>>2595760
kek, I'm really into fictional femdom but politicizing it is so weird to me.

No. 2595771

>>2595768
I don't think it's a femdom thing for her (kiwimoids would flip a tit if it was)

No. 2595775

>>2595771
is there anything redeeming about her?

No. 2595779

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>>2595775
She's unintentionally really funny

No. 2595780

>>2595748
They say yuri is "pure and kawaii" but at the same time "realistic" while bashing bl as "rotten and violent rapefests" while at the same time calling it "unrealistic because of how feminine it is". Make it make sense.

No. 2595783

>>2595780
>Make it make sense.
The translation is wahmen bad and they should be collectively punished whenever they deviate from what i want them to do.

No. 2595784

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>>2595780
I think the main people claiming yuri is somehow more "realistic" than yaoi are pick me gendies, I don't think moids give a shit outside of it playing into their "women are the real degenerates" larp.

No. 2595786

>>2595721
whatever you say paladin boo

No. 2595787

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Nothing says feminism like getting arrested by the CCP for not pumping out enough kids amirite ladies.

No. 2595789

>>2595787
>I hope banning women from showing off their sexuality will motivate women to openly show their sexuality.
That that's totally how it works, definitely not the opposite where women will close themselves off even more and hunker down in secret groups farther away from men.

No. 2595790

>>2595787
Wow….real women having their lives being ruined and thrown in jail over something as inconsequential as gay smut is good for them, those stupid fucking bitches wouldn’t know otherwise would they?….I genuinely hate pickmes like this. Women being harmed is feminist because she needs it to coom…

No. 2595791

>>2595789
It's legit the most backwards logic possible kek, does she really think the CCP won't target yume games next?

No. 2595794

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>>2595720
>the fact to you female characters being loved by men is self inserting says a lot
really ironic coming from the person that thinks women cant like yaoi without selfinserting. I wonder what hetships she likes. The original poster didn't even say that, she was criticizing her assumption that fujos self insert not that hetshippers are self inserters. Literally projecting. The best shoujos always have yaoibait because the authors are based and want to give the reader the peak fanservice experience.

No. 2595796

>>2595787
What if i read yaoi not to insert myself into the yuke character, but to see cute boys kiss? Then what? How is that any different from men wanting to see straight women kiss each other? Why is nothing being done to regulate coomer shit targeted to males? Literally doing mental gymnastics to justify their chronic pickmeism. Also, the yaoi ban seems more like China wanting to limit any homoerotic media from being associated with them. Not only are they misogynistic in trying to suppress a medium popular with women , but it's also equal parts homophobic to want to surpress this content.

No. 2595797

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>>2595794
I think she likes Ahiru with Fakir or Mytho because her schizo ass thinks it's NTRing Fakir and Mytho (even though that never happens in the anime…)
I hate that she likes one of my favorite anime kek.

No. 2595800

>>2595787
The average chinese man is putting kittens in a blender they deserve to be cucked by gay cartoon porn.(racebait)

No. 2595804

>>2595797
>Hellsing
>GTO
>Appleseed
>Black lagoon
>fate
Holy shit all of these have insane amounts of fanservice or lolishit, not counting that Samurai X is drawn by a convicted pedophile. She's more concerned about muh yaoi than the sexualization of women and kids by disgusting scrote, what a feminist.

No. 2595806

>>2595791
not that she is one and still not sure if she's just some pretentious sexless basement dweller but ironically enough I see similar rhetoric from libfems. many have such a martyr mindset that they think the act of practicing their sexuality - coincidentally in what usually is a mostly conformist way - is an act of rebellion and not doing so is repressed in a way. what a strange, creepy type.

No. 2595807

>>2595797
Bro what…she’s so schizo she’s managing bring her seething about fujos into one of the few straight ships worth giving a shit about? She just allows herself to be cucked out of that by the fujos living in her head? Jesus Christ.

No. 2595810

>>2595804
She's like the bizarro rightoid version of Addy claiming that big titty anime girls are empowering kek.

No. 2595814

>>2595690
Nona please consider the term Fujoshi and its origins. Originally, fujoshi present in fandoms in early y2k internet were loathed as public enemy number one, prior to the gendy crisis, because they "ruined" everything by seeing it as gay. This kneejerk response from moids is very much still present. Go into any male dominant space and say
>Ok but what if X and Y made out
and you will, I shit you not, receive death threats. It is funny as hell.

No. 2595815

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>>2595810
I like that she put a trigger warning for gayshit in anime she likes but didnt mention the samurai x guy being a pedo or hell girl having tons of loli fanservice. Does she really consider herself a feminist or is she one of those irony poisoned kiwitard pickmes?

No. 2595816

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>>2595813
It's half genuine homophobia half believing that women do this as a humiliation ritual against them personally.

No. 2595817

>>2595815
She posts in feminism and man hate threads a lot so I guess she does on some level?

No. 2595818

>>2595813
The term fujoshi itself was created by men on 2chan to suggest women into gay ships were “ruined for marriage”. It’s a reclaimed insult now but misogynistic men absolutely seethe about it to the point they coined a term. No, you will never have a feminist anti-fujoshi angle because the origins of it are anti-feminist to begin with.

No. 2595819

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>>2595797
>Bleach
I bet she doesn't even ship ichiruki. I bet she ships that shit ichihime.

No. 2595820

>>2595819
Can anyone look into her posts and see this actually? I wanna know if she has even 1% of basedness in her or if she’s truly a lost cause.

No. 2595821

>>2595818
ayrt Exactly. Men hate fujos and I think their seething is amusing. Less a cope from fujos and more of us acknowledging that our 2D interests lives rent free in moid brains as some form of threat.

No. 2595822

>>2595817
So she's basically like libfems and thinks sexy women drawn by men for male consumption is empowering.

No. 2595824

Curious though; how many fujos here are into male-centered ryona?

No. 2595826

>>2595824
LC definitely skews edgy so i’d wager about half, possibly more. The general fujo population has a more normal distribution of how extreme they like their content.

No. 2595827

>>2595819
Every girl who ships Ichihime is has a huge obsession with controlling what other people are into because they have basic ass taste.

No. 2595828

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>>2595824
It's called reverse ryona, nonny

No. 2595829

>>2595828
I refuse to use that term because it implies women are the default abuse objects.

No. 2595831

>>2595824
I love it I'm even starting to get into amputees because my OTP has so much fanart of it

No. 2595832

>>2595829
Ok thats based i respect it.

No. 2595838

i dont consume fujo content, but does there exist an equivalent of the titcows that infests male-centric hentai/porn in BL? it would just be very epic if the characters had extreme body proportions (15 inch dick, 7 feet tall etc)

No. 2595841

>>2595838
Err…korean semes with the stanley cup shaped dicks i guess? I really hate it though…

No. 2595844

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>>2595816
Even if this were true, what's wrong with women being sadists?

No. 2595845

>>2595844
It makes men seethe when they are the targets of what they inflict on women.

No. 2595847

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>>2595844
It hurts his fee fees
>>2595838
Okane ga nai.

No. 2595850

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>>2595824
I won't deny it.

No. 2595852

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>>2595824
Me. BUT I'm also a yume into that, 2D men are so cute when they're hurt in general. I don't care if that's considered "edgy" or whatever.

No. 2595854

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>>2595838
Korean webtoon uke

No. 2595858

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No. 2595867

>>2595824
Teehee me

>>2595838
KEK all I can think of are korean webtoons where all the editors are in competition with each other to produce the best selling manhwa so they will do whatever it takes to stand out. It creates some interesting variation I will admit, however sometimes it just creates the seme equivalent of a barbirusa boar where the dick is so big it kills the mood because it's unrealistic kek.

No. 2595872

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>>2595797
So basically women exploring their sexuality through media made by women for women is antifeminist and self hating and women should only explore their sexuality through moid power fantasy shonen slop with female characters that look like this? very feminist indeed. It's always the same with antifujos, they shit on the rare medium that's dominated and targetted to women and praise disgusting moid slop.

No. 2595878

>>2595854
>>2595858
>>2595847
>>2595841
this is so fucking funny

No. 2595881

>>2595854
I love the boot print on his ass where is this from

No. 2595887

>>2595872
Tinfoil but I feel like these women like self-inserting as the fanservice characters because they feel like they don't deserve their husbando otherwise.

No. 2595891

>>2595887
not tinfoil, a lot of these women admit that they are more turned on by the idea of being attractive to a man than by the man himself. it's honestly sad but i don't care since they use their own hang up to bash women who don't have that kind of neurosis.

No. 2595893

>>2595787
She managed to come to the wrong conclusion in a way that's so retarded it's impressive. No, women don't read raunchy BL manga because they're suffering from internalized misogyny and are too embarrassing to think about having actual sex with men, it's precisely because they find good looking men hot and want to see hot guys fucking each other for their own personal gratification. And if we're talking about the fujo who actually buy BL manga, anime or games you have to be a little shameless to buy physical copies in stores so I doubt these women give a fuxk what anyone else could say about them and their love lives.

No. 2595897

>>2595891
>more turned on by the idea of being attractive to a man than by the man himself.
this is based if they refuse to compliment their bfs and always make things about themselves in the most selfish way possible

No. 2595900

>>2595897
nta but not really, that just sounds like a nun's concept of what femdom is.

No. 2595901

>>2595897
It never is, they're the type to fully wax their body hair all the time and worry about their facial expression during sex and get anxiety over not looking sexy enough for him.

No. 2595902

>>2595887
>bautiful men with beautiful women just as god intended
that phrase makes me believe she's one of those fauxbisexual with pornbrainrot due to the normalization of female sexualization. Any 'straight' woman who claims to like sexualized women is completly brainwashed by men and porn. No wonder she's pissed at women who enjoy their sexuality without the inclusion of male approval.
>>2595897
That's not based that's just being a bimbo.

No. 2595903

Why does yaoi make so many people seethe but no one gives a fuck about yuri (other than moids using it as AGP fuel)?

No. 2595907

>>2595902
>>2595901
>>2595900
i knew a girl like that who basically wanted her bf to worship her and he was seething and insecure that she never said anything nice when he posted selfies of himself and was basically just using him for ego boosts

No. 2595909

>>2595903
Popular is le bad

No. 2595910

>>2595903
jealous of our fanworks

No. 2595912

>>2595903
Yaoi:
>gay sex (gross)
>women like it (they should be bullied)
>some stuff seems cool outside the gay bit and that's really annoying (let me invade)
>a lot of fujoshi are really fucking retarded (tbf this is true)
Yuri
>lesbian sex (not real)
>cute girls are cute when they do cute things (easy to watch)
>Yuri is everwhere (can't really avoid it)
>yurifags gave the moral highground (minority status)

No. 2595914

>>2595907
someone getting their ego boosts from a dumpster fire isn't based. I wouldn't say it's that bad but it's still kind of pathetic and degrading in a sense.

No. 2595915

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>>2595903
Female sexualization is accepted and seen as ''artistic'' and pure, while male sexualization is seen as dirty and porny. It's why that kiwifag pickme has no problem by Kube Tito drawing big titty monsters for his male audience to jack off too but the microsecond a guy is sexualized for the female viewer she throws a tantrum. I hate fauxbisexuals so much, they are the final boss of pickmes, the kind that allowed pedophiles like David Hamilton to get away with publishing legal pornography under the guise of ''art''.

No. 2595917

>>2595903
Because it gets blamed for causing the troon epidemic by some uneducated radfems unfairly, when imo it's the fault of ftm influencers like Jammy Dodger and Buck Angel who even let them know trooning out was a thing. Secondly, it's men who hate the fact that men on yaoi are often pretty boys and they hate seeing women desire anybody who doesn't resemble a them. Then you have other women who act as the purity police who don't want women to have fun. They are also in the same camp of women who think they are superior than other woman for having a "nigel", quotations on that because such women will brag about their moid but he will treat her like shit. This isn't specifically about yaoi though, but women are oftenly the only ones who aren't allowed to have fantasies and desire and always be cemented in reality, whilst men get to have all their desires and fantasies catered to through multiple mediums of media. The bottom line is that women aren't supposed to desire anything but being bang maidens with no souls.

No. 2595924

>>2595917
>it gets blamed for causing the troon epidemic by some uneducated radfems unfairly, when imo it's the fault of ftm influencers like Jammy Dodger and Buck Angel who even let them know trooning out was a thing
kek nonny dumb middle schoolers aren't even learning about those people they're watching shit like My Hero Academia and Ouran before accidentally googling a bunch of mpreg and titchop fanart

No. 2595931

>>2595917
Can you really call yourself a ''radfem'' if you would rather blame women trooning out on erotica drawn by women than the years of systematic abuse by men, the current hyper sexual society we live in and female socialization? reminds me of the anons on the FTM thread that constantly post about how TIFs ''ruined themselves'' and ''would have been cute butches'' as if perpetuating the sexualization they tried to escape is somehow not promoting gnc women to troon out.

No. 2595932

>>2595917
>Because it gets blamed for causing the troon epidemic by some uneducated radfems
I still don't understand the logic of this argument but it's ok I don't need to because it's based on delulu vibes and not actual stats or any scientific framework

No. 2595940

>>2595903
Yaoi is the main nerdy thing women are into, it’s basically in the same zone as people putting ‘white’ in front of women to spew a bunch of misogynistic shit
Yuri comparatively isn’t that popular with men

No. 2595943

>>2595940
lesbian porn is one of the most watched porn categories.

No. 2595946

>>2595943
It’s not really Yuri though since it doesn’t have characters or a story. Which tracks because men are just interested in nutting and the type of men who fetishize female emotions are usually disturbed autists and troons.

No. 2595949

>>2595946
Yurishit is popular with men though, utana and meguka are considered ''classics'', which we both know wouldnt happen if it instead was yaoi. Yurishit is just more normalized so unlike yaoi people don't see it as weird and it can be shoehorned into most mainstream anime(like gundam).

No. 2595950

>>2595949
Those men fit into the “autists and troons” category though. A normie moid would not give a shit about lesbian love he is just jerking off. Plenty of normie women love gay love stories like brokeback mountain even if they aren’t fullblown fujo autists though.

No. 2595957

>>2595950
>Those men fit into the “autists and troons” category though.
and they are still men, it's so weird to try and make them a different category of men when they are indeed moids and prove moids do like yuri.

No. 2595961

>>2595957
No one is saying men don’t like yuri, they’re saying that not as many men like yuri compared to how many women like yaoi. Which is true. Most nerdy men prefer the waifufag route.

No. 2595964

>>2595932
The logic behind it is that the people who make this argument don't understand that it's been popular with a lot of young women and girls for decades before the troon boom of the 2010s. I think it's fair to say that maybe it can provide some inspiration, but it's the same way that some tifs troon out to try and impersonate the emo boyfriend of their dreams. That inspiration or fantasy couldn't be chased without them knowing it was something that they could chase through education provided by trans influencers on youtube who often got a ton of traction in the early days because trans stuff was still novel and a mystery to a lot of people.

No. 2595966

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>>2595961
Most waifushit still has yuribait. So i dont know whats your point, you can look at any harembait shit and you will find at least one yuribait scene.

No. 2595968

>>2595966
The fantasy here is always the mff threesome, either way the point is in an power ranking of autistic interests men have vs ones women have, yaoi is way higher on the women's list than yuri is on men’s.

No. 2595973

>>2595943
Lesbian porn and yuri are two separate things.

No. 2595974

>>2595968
You keep making excuses, first only autists and troons liked yuri even though lesbian porn is incredibly popular with normie moids, now obvious yuribait isnt yuribait ackshually. Men love yurishit, that's why they made utena, kobayashi, madoka, akebi san, gundam witch, that villaines tranny anime. All incredibly mainstream anime that are considered ''classics'', something that wouldnt be given to any yaoibait anime(maybe except for devilman). Yuri is so normalized women will watch yuri anime for the ''plot'' but no man would ever watch a yaoi anime no matter how good it is.

No. 2595977

>>2595940
I think even if yuri isn't as popular with men, it is definitely a lot more normalized in content in comparison to how yaoi is treated.
I guess it's the difference between yuri being a medium sized fish in a large pond and yaoi being a slightly large fish in a small pond. Yuri is still way more "popular" in that its everywhere and has a much lower standard to what counts as "yuri" (insert that yuri is in the grass quote here).
Meanwhile yaoi is treated as more controversial, with creators even going as far as denying something has any fujobait because they don't want their work to be connected to bl.

No. 2595981

>>2595974
You keep bringing up anime but thats only one type of media where you see yuri as popular. Open your eyes a little bit, lesbian media outside of animeshit is largely targeted to women, not men (outside of video games which pander to the same type of man that anime does). Meanwhile, yaoi fandoms are the biggest fandoms in basically every womens fan space where it isn’t systematically suppressed. There is a certain type of man that has a deep rooted interest in lesbian love stories. On the other hand female interest in yaoi is far more diverse and widespread, basically cropping up in any media where two men have a relationship of any kind. Yuri is normalized from the top down by moids because they hold power but yaoi is more popular with women yet can’t push through because women don’t have access to the top.

No. 2595986

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Tbh it's hard to say yaoi is even popular with women since antis are pretty loud and it's pretty much been shot down at most opportunities it has had.

No. 2595989

>>2595981
3DPD gay shit is also targetted at gay men, what are you talking about. Bareback mountain was directed by a gay scrote for gay scrotes. Also there are a lot of fetishistic lesbian movies made by men to jack off to, the troon brothers that did the matrix did a lesbian movie once, David Hamilton was a pedophile who used to make softcore lesbian pornography for other men and killed himself when he was accussed of raping the girls he photographed. Every single western cartoon from the last decade has a lesbian canon ship(korra, adventure time) because fetishized lesbianism for men is more accepted since it's less threatening than yaoi for women.

No. 2595992

>>2595986
The antis are loud and aggressive precisely because its popular. And numbers don’t lie, most ao3 fics are m/m, most female authored doujins are m/m, most female created ship art is m/m. The original media sphere is obviously mostly het but the amount of m/m manga, asian dramas, novels, etc are still a decent amount considering the barriers gay media faces with homophobic male execs.

No. 2595995

>>2595992
Yeah but we are not talking about fanart, we are talking about canon. Yuri is definetly more popular in canon than yaoi, which is why fujos have to write and draw so much stuff to fill the gap. Yuritroons dont have to lift a finger to have some of the biggest franchises pander to them.

No. 2595996

>>2595995
I think we ultimately have different ideas about what popularity looks like to begin with so I don’t think this conversation is gonna go anywhere.

No. 2595998

>>2595996
Sure. I just wish yuri was actually unpopular so i could watch things with mostly a female cast without being jumpscared by lesbian sexualization.

No. 2596000

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>>2595998
Nta but for a second I felt you were being a little extreme but then I remembered this actually happened to me the other day with Necronomico Cosmic Show.

No. 2596004

Essentially, TMD except for 2D. That's my platform as a fujo/yume, and I'm sticking to it.

No. 2596007

>>2595972
>Yuri is still way more "popular" in that its everywhere
How? Even yuri fans agree that yaoi is more popular.

No. 2596010

>>2596007
The difference is that yuri is thrown in for men like sprinkles on the cake but for women yaoi is more often the entire cake, so there are way more actual yaoi fans than yuri fans even though you see yuri more often.

No. 2596011

>Most iconic BL ship is probably Stucky (or some other MCU ship) from a multi billion dollar movie franchise
>Most iconic yuri ship is Madohomu
Yeah I don't know if I'd say yuri is more popular you guys.

No. 2596012

>>2596007
I would argue that lesbian baiting is more commonplace in anime, or at least popular anime like shounen. Moids also insert what fetishes they're interested in so you're much more likely to see, say, a harem anime with yuribait than with yaoibait. When 99% of anime being discussed on SM is CGDCT or random moid slop, it pops up more regularly in common spaces, even if most fanfic writers and fanartists are female.

No. 2596013

>>2596010
are we only counting canon ships out of curiosity

No. 2596014

>>2596007
Basically, check the anichart for any given season and you'll usually find a lot more yuribait/yuri shows/yuri couples than there are bl.
This season alone has a few, while when it comes to bl one doesn't want to be connected to the word bl and the other is vague bait.

No. 2596015

>>2596014
Most people play gacha instead nowadays

No. 2596016

>>2596011
But is Stucky more of a 'thing' in mainstream fandom culture? It sure doesn't have the canon backing that MadoHomu has nor the creators constantly teasing it.

No. 2596019

>>2596013
Im speaking about the fans themselves and their priorities. We all know about the legion of migrating fujoshi who hop from fotm to fotm solely for the potential shipping, there is no such phenomenon with yuri fans. Its like the free bread that you get at restaurants: not many people would go out of their way to order it but its thrown in because its either eaten or it sits there because its inoffensive. No one is getting mad at the free bread. Yaoi is like pineapple pizza: you only get it when you order it but there's still legions of people pissed off it even exists at all.

No. 2596021

>>2596016
I think more normies know stucky over madohomu kek, I'm talking about pure popularity instead of hints anyway because BL's always less likely to be canonized.

No. 2596022

>>2595903
Yuri is even more niche than yaoi I assume. When I hear about yaoi in the wild it's women talking about their favorite pairings or BL manga, tropes they like or dislike, etc. but when I hear about yuri it's usually fake fans comparing it to yaoi all the time, talking about the 2 or 3 same pairings all the time (homumado and utena/anthy), or straight men talking about how much they like yuri if one of the girl is a futa with a huge dick. And in all the comic book stores I've been to the yaoi section was way, way bigger than the yuri one, or the few yuri manga sold were shoved in the yaoi section to not waste space on other shelves.

No. 2596025

I think it can be summarized like this, yuri: too normalized to bother, yaoi: too controversial to honor.

No. 2596027

>>2595915
>for his male audience to jack off too
You mean for himself? Not that it's any better but he seems like a genuine coomer and not like he adds fanservice for marketing reasons. Shout out to the anon who compared his tastes in women to Jamaican men.

No. 2596029

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>>2596022
Yeah it is kinda strange that most yuri fans like the same 15 ships (at least in western fandom) while seeing two unrelated fujos with the same OTP is pretty rare.

No. 2596035

>>2595828
ayrt I also don't use that term because of the implications that women are the default. (Also I don't consume that material so I'm clueless kek)

No. 2596042

>>2595986
I deadass do not understand where these people think "yuri is niche" get this idea from. It is tainting everything moids ingest. Especially harem content; the women WILL have a groping bath scene. Are these nonnas high

No. 2596043

>>2596042
No one is shipping girls from highschool of the dead though kek.

No. 2596044

>>2596042
And no one fucking cares about those girls groping breasts. Its a one off meant to titillate the male viewer, there isn’t even the notion of a relationship between the girls themselves. Again its a fetish akin to footfaggotry in that context. There is no point to it besides the visual. A joke scene depicting male homosexuality isn’t yaoi either. They both involve shipping or some kind of relationship between the two characters in canon.

No. 2596045

>>2596044
This. By their logic golden time is a yaoi anime kek.

No. 2596046

>>2596044
Depends on who you ask. Depends on the media. Depends on the dynamic. There is entirely too many variables. Nobody cares about it definitely, but I am telling you, the people that ship the characters and draw or commission the characters doing things to each other to anydegree, get no flack. And it's commonplace.

No. 2596055

>>2596046
In rare circumstances I could see it happening, same with yaoi ships where it's just a one off gay joke in the anime (ie: Maou sama) but it's definitely not the norm.
Most yuri fans are into the same 15 heavily implied/full on canon ships while fujos have way more variety in taste.
It's true that in western cartoons lesbian ships are more likely to be canon but those are in no way that huge fandom wise.

No. 2596060

>>2596046
It gets greenlighted more often because moids don’t get the ick from it like they do yaoi. Even if they don’t personally care for lesbians they will greenlight it to cast a wider net and even woke points in the west. They don’t greenlight gay males as often because it personally disgusts them enough to sacrifice potential female audience. There is way more yaoi manga in existence than yuri. There is more m/m romance books than f/f. Close to the ground in more basic media where the fans are, you can see clearly which is more popular . But you’re looking only at what floats to the top and gets past the suits into mainstream, higher budget media like anime and games where less risks are taken and less variety is allowed. It is two different things to take into account and you’re only looking at one.

No. 2596073

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So what I'm getting is that its like a pyramid where yaoi is at the bottom while yuri is more able to float to the top?

No. 2596076

>>2596044
If that were the case then shonenshit wouldnt count as fujobait. Be for real, plus most of the time isnt even just groping there is straight up kissing(kissxsis) and similar shit. If a man gropped another man in an anime it would be seen as yaoibait, but since female sexualization is so normalized it takes full on fucking for yurishit to be considered ''real yuri''

No. 2596077

>>2596076
>If that were the case then shonenshit wouldnt count as fujobait
Depends on the shounenshit? I don't think shows like death note are despite having a large fujo following but shows like Owari no Seraph and Kuroshit run entirely off of fujobait.

No. 2596078

>>2596011
>one is a fanship and the other is a canon ship
yeah i wonder which one is more accepted and popular in the mainstream

No. 2596079

>>2596078
To be fair everyone and their mom debates if Madohomu is fully canon.

No. 2596080

>>2596079
It's very obviously canon, they are just never going to kiss because japanese are super weird about that. When i was a teen i watched a haremshit ecchi show because i liked the artstyle and even thought they showed pantyshots, bouncing tits and other coomshit every 5 seconds the kiss at the end up the anime was shown through the shadow of the characters. I dont know why japanese people are like this.

No. 2596084

>>2596078
Yes, we’ve discussed this a thousand times, one is more acceptable in the mainstream, the other has more actual fans who give a shit despite being held back.

No. 2596086

>>2596084
Samefag, every single seven seas license has people screaming and crying over not getting yuri licenses while they churn out 6 BL licenses in the same announcement. You think seven seas is artificially pushing BL manga for an agenda? No, it’s because one sells way better and is in more demand than the other, simple.

No. 2596102

>>2595826
Despite average lc user being edgy I suspect that it's way less than half. Every time there is a discussion about ryona a good portion of the posts seem to have suspiciously similar wording and I've seen convos immediately come to a halt the moment a spergy anon gets banned, even though she was allegedly speaking to multiple people. The discussions on the fujo thread also gives me the impression that many of them also might just flex liking it in a performative 2edgy4u manner, the most thriving convos seem to be between nonnies who are more autistic about some specific trope or hot male bodies in general.

No. 2596119

>>2595989
nta but brokeback mountain was originally written by a women. what are you even arguing against? you keep being up porn but the point being made is about actual pairing investment which is of course still female dominated because the romance genre and shipping in general is female dominated. it’s like >>2596084 said where what’s acceptable (because it’s easy to ignore) isn’t necessarily what has more diehard fans.

No. 2596131

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>>2596102
>many of them also might just flex liking it in a performative 2edgy4u manner
I had this feeling too, you can tell from how they talk about it. No attraction at all. I've seen it discussed more authentically in threads like the husbando hornyposting thread.

No. 2596351

>>2596102
Nta but personally I don't talk about my male ryona interests online because even I can acknowledge that it's weird to talk to a stranger about it even if it is anonymous. I've spoken about it 1 on 1 in discords though when the opportunity arose. I've only ever used to yaoi thread to share recs and discuss different tastes. Basically keeping it SFW.

No. 2596691

>>2596014
>while when it comes to bl one doesn't want to be connected to the word bl and the other is vague bait.
Which two are these?

No. 2596736

>>2595986
like 70% of the fics on Ao3 are m/m anon

No. 2596740

>>2595903
Because it's (unfortunately) a man's world, and men are titillated by f/f but repulsed by m/m. Simple as.

No. 2596750

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>>2595841
>korean semes with the stanley cup shaped dicks
Any Korean nonas willing to write a BL hockey manhwa??? Please and thank you

No. 2596762

>>2595887
If that's true it's profoundly sad, but it tracks with the sort of thinking you see from handmaids who think Sabrina Carpenter is "empowering" and fantasize about being her.

No. 2596786

>>2595736
>>2595739
>>2595748
>when male yurifags call yuri "purer" than het or BL
It's incredibly chauvinistic, and obviously derived from misogynistic ideas of female purity. Moids don't see lesbians as having their own sexual agency and desires, they see them as pure eternal virgins putting on displays for male enjoyment. I rarely see fujos using the same type of rhetoric to describe yaoi.

>>2595752
>She just wants cute straight men for herself
But they're not real? She's not going to "have them" for herself regardless of who they're drawn fucking. I will understand never why het shippers, employ this line of reasoning. If your husbando is putting his dick in a female character, that character still isn't you, it's another drawing. You're being "cucked" regardless of whether the drawing he's fucking is male or female. By this logic, only solo and POV stuff would be not "cucked."

No. 2596890

>>2596786
>But they're not real? She's not going to "have them" for herself regardless of who they're drawn fucking.
That's why the "cucking" insult doesn't even make sense. You can't be "cucked" by a person who doesn't exist.

No. 2596909

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I feel like as long as she posts we'll never run out of material

No. 2596914

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>they see them as pure eternal virgins putting on displays for male enjoyment
Eh, this is true even for yuri meant for women (pic rel) it just comes with the way the genre is set up.

No. 2596924

>>2596740
KEK put some femboy trap shota in front of them and they forget what yuri even is

No. 2596947

>>2596914
>one girl is taller than the other and has short has
obvious heterosexuality with extra steps

No. 2596948

>>2596924
femboy and trap are the same thing nonny, the latter is just forgotten because it triggers trannoids.

No. 2596954

>>2596947
They're all still very obviously women though

No. 2596958

>>2596948
Had to cover all bases y'see

No. 2596962

>>2596954
nta but that’s obviously that’s a joke
>>2596750
so this is why hockey is so popular with m/m novelists

No. 2596986

>>2595903
Yaoi absolutely dominates female-heavy fandoms in a way that cannot be compared to anything else. This inspires rage from men because fandoms are nerd spaces, and men still believe nerdy stuff is their domain, and so they see fujos as intruding on their sacred nerd haven. Especially because men are very sensitive to gay males in their media and treat anime men as aspirational badasses, so when they see a woman saying Bakugou takes it up the ass, they lose their shit. There are also plenty of female fans who don't like yaoi and are just fed up with its inescapability (and the assumption all female fans like it) and become resentful, but I don't think this is the core driver of yaoi seethe. Yuri, on the other hand, is unpopular with women, but it also doesn't really offend women as much as yaoi offends men. So there's no one to really get mad at yuri. It is also exceedingly niche despite it being popular to canonize F/F ships. Just look at the femslash ships that are actually popular with women and you'll realize none of them are from Japanese media (with the singular exception of MadoHomu) because anime yuri is so sterile and bland it inspires no love, much less rage. Basically, yaoi makes people seethe because it is popular and seen as threateningly unavoidable to people who dislike it. This is not the case with yuri because it is just not popular enough to threaten anyone.

No. 2596998

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>>2596986
>so when they see a woman saying Bakugou takes it up the ass, they lose their shit
Would they be okay with Bakugou dicking down Deku then?
>Just look at the femslash ships that are actually popular with women and you'll realize none of them are from Japanese media
Are we counting 3DPD or no
If no then I think the ONLY yuri ship popular with women is Madohomu.

No. 2597001

>>2596986
nta and this is almost a non sequitur, ironically the fact that men hate yaoi seems to be a sore spot for antifujos ive noticed. they usually respond with some manner of "you wish yaoi made men seeth!" like there isnt plenty of evidence. i think the fact that men hate yaoi is frequently misinterpreted by antifujos as fujos claiming their cartoon porn is more "feminist" when its just pointing out men are too fragile to see their straight male characters do homo shit

No. 2597003

Scrotes (especially shounenfags) are so bothered by yaoi ships because so many of them self insert into the generic protagonists and take offense to fujos writing/drawing them as gay. It's always the same arguments too, done in the same 'well actually here's why I'm right and you're wrong so let me get back to sperging about how many guns an anime spaceship has on it or if Goku could deadlift God and you go back to the kitchen' kind of way.
>it's not canon!
I don't give a fuck.
>it's disrespectful to the original creator!
I don't give a fuck.
>it's objectifying men!
I don't give a fuck.

No. 2597009

>>2597003
>it's disrespectful to the original creator!
The only shounenshit creator who probably cares is Ohba kek

No. 2597013

>>2597009
I imagine that most creators (especially those who speak a different language than the majority of their fanbase) don't care about fan works so long as they get paid. Fanart and fanfic is free advertising. It'd be one thing if retards were spamming the creator of One Piece with explicit yaoi and threatening to kill him if they didn't make Luffy/Chopper canon but that doesn't happen.

No. 2597016

>>2597013
I'm talking about doujins yeah, I really doubt most mangaka give two shits about it (or probably read it in the case of the HXH guy)

No. 2597022

>>2597016
I know that, at least by US copyright law, creators have to he very careful about acknowledging fan material because they can get sued if it's determined that they used that material in their own works but it has to be pretty specific and clear cut. Not sure how it is elsewhere. I know that Araki of JJBA has admitted to reading DJ of his series, and he's even gone on record that he's watched a couple of JJBA related let's plays (and found them incredibly annoying kek).

No. 2597026

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I don't think this necessarily comes from antifujos specifically, but I don't understand the expectation that fujos have to be "fair" about what content they tolerate or enjoy.

No. 2597027

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>>2597022
>admitted to reading DJ of his series
I'm not a Jojo fan but the most popular ship was kind of a bizarre choice to me, everyone who's into it says they barely interact kek.

No. 2597030

>>2597013
There are creators that are flattered even if they don't care about bl because they believe these fans truly like their works a lot if they spend time and energy drawing the characters that much. Some of them even go to conventions and buy bl doujinshi, trying to not get caught and I even saw a tweet once of a Megaman fan and fujoshi who said the only time she refused to sell anything to someone was because the person was an official character designer for the games and it embarrassed her.

No. 2597032

>>2597027
Eh, they interacted a fair amount (by JJBA standards, which has never been great about character relationships, at least until Part 7 or so when Araki made an effort to sell Johnny and Gyro as actual friends instead of quirky weirdos who hang out in each other's general vicinity guided by FATE), and Part 3 was the most popular in and out of Japan for a really long time, so I get it (plus they're arguably the most conventionally attractive men in said part). It does help that CLAMP shipped them hard back in the 90s too.

No. 2597034


No. 2597036

>>2597027
>Caesar/Joseph more popular than Joseph/Caesar
Best news I've heard all day.

No. 2597045

>>2597027
Jotaro is just such an insanely boring and flat character I dont really care about any of his ships jotajosu is alright though

No. 2597070

>>2597045
He's boring as a protagonist but I liked him a lot more in the next parts.

No. 2597106

>>2596998
They hate Deku to begin with because he ended up being a faggy nobody teacher.

No. 2597241

>>2597027
There are some aspects other than the interactions. Like rumors about Kakyoin originally being planned as a female character and Jotaro's LI or even girlfriend but that was scrapped. So some fans ran with that and shipped them anyways. They're aslo both the same age and maybe to some fans they're the hottest of the Starcursaders so they ship them for the aesthetic. It helps that Kakyoin's bio in the manga describes him as an effeminate man and he has the fashion sense and personality to support it, so fans love the contrast between him and Jotaro. Jotaro getting angry about his death and beating Dio up for it is probably another factor. But I agree they're boring even though I shipped them when I watched part 3 lol. Other ships from part 5 onwards are way more interesting.

No. 2597795

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>>2597034
A-arigatou

No. 2597802

>>2596962
>so this is why hockey is so popular with m/m novelists
Have you seen the average hockey player's butt???

No. 2597808

>>2596909
Whenever someone gets this tilted about something this unimportant, I have to wonder what their life must be like. Human beings only have a finite amount of energy and hours in the day, and she's spending it on yelling at women who like gay cartoon porn.

No. 2598382

>>2596947
nta And clearly any lesbians who date taller women with short hair are straight deep down inside, tits be damned. And while we're at it? If you date a man with long hair you are automatically a lesbian. Don't deny it. He can have a beard but so can a woman.
This is how you sound to me kek

No. 2603412

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>fujo artist has NTR fantasy where they yume their husbando but secretly fuck with the top behind their back
>also imagines their husbando as a submissive cuntboy
why do some fujos even do this all this convoluted shit just to end up with what is essentially het porn?
if you want to see your husbando getting fucked at this point wouldn't it be easier to just go full fujo and not self insert?
ah and i never got the cuntboy shit too, what's the point of feminizing a male character (especially if they're masculine leaning) if they're going to be (biologically) female anyways? i thought the appeal of feminizing male characters was reversing their traditional masculinity, wouldn't making them cuntboys only feed into the female-submissive stereotype?

No. 2603417

>>2603412
Chinese twitter, man. Not even once.

No. 2603418

>>2598382
Pretty sure that nonna is mocking YWNBAM anon from kwf who says that about taller male/shorter male yaoi

No. 2603423

>>2598382
Some of you are really painfully retarded

No. 2603654

>>2603412
This honestly just sounds like weird neurotic lesbianism with 800 extra steps.

No. 2604846

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one thing I've noticed about 99.9% of bl is that they never properly represent the "aesthetic" of gay men. Even the wokies who claim to want to portray "realistic" gay characters ultimately end up imitating heterosexual male characters. gay men aren't just men who have sex with men, they have a completely different aesthetic and culture. even the macho tops are incredibly flamboyant and raunchy and they're open about it. what's Interesting is some heterosexual women also find gay culture (like drag) appealing because it's unashamedly gaudy and tacky. but I've never seen a bl work that has even depicted a gay male aesthetic.

No. 2604854

>>2604846
the men in BL do not act like IRL gay or heterosexual men tf are you talking about? the men in BL act like how women wish men would act, theyre not realistic to any type of man

No. 2604858

>>2604846
Read more bl because do you really need a fucking chart made of all the flamboyant gay men that the mc met on grindr/at a gay bar? Goddammit it.

No. 2604884

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>>2604846
Here is a flamboyant somewhat muscled gay man who is recklessly promiscuous, wearing a croptop and holding a purse, who got ditched in a forest after giving a guy who picked him up at a gay bar a blowie in a car and called a faggot. Is that gay enough for you?

No. 2604923

>>2603423
Considering the opposition, can you blame em? Puts us on defense all the time imo

No. 2605003

>>2604846
>>2604854
Good. I don't want to see actual fags in my BL. They're fucking disgusting and hate women.

No. 2605053

>>2604846
I dont find flamboyant gay men attractive. Most people arent reading bl for the "authentic" gay experience I just want to see two hot guys kiss

No. 2605059

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>>2604846
Because fujos aren’t the same as faghags
Normie faghag women are into stuff like drag shows while fujos just prefer regular crossdressing.
Fujo culture is a lot closer to that of male otaku culture ie:”character A is sooo moe” rather than depicting actual gay male culture.

Could be different for some slash and RPF shippers though.

No. 2605115

>>2605059
Tbh anime men in general don't act like actual men. Can you imagine a guy unironically looking and acting like Yugi in real life? Or Deku, Shinji, Spike, Yuji etc? It seems like its fine when in normal anime men and women act different from irl, not sure why fujo are forced to different standards.

No. 2605125

>>2605115
I could see a guy acting like Shinji kek

No. 2605133

>>2605125
Shinji is actually a pretty realistic teenage moid.

No. 2605141

>>2605133
>horny, suicidal and bisexual
Pretty much

No. 2605163

>>2605125
Well whatever, point still stands. I just hate the "fujo can't write men!!" talking point.

No. 2605167

>>2605163
Yeah I don’t like it either
Women don’t make “ANNNM! OSHII NA~” noises every time they take a bite of food but I don’t see nearly as many people complain about that

No. 2605195

>>2605167
Females are just females but not being faithful to the riches of the homosexual man's emersonian mind is a crime.

No. 2606365

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I hate that fujoshit is so rampant in fandom. No, I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the ship.

No. 2606370

>>2606365
What’s up YWNBAW chan

No. 2606372

>>2606365
I'm a fujo and think you're retarded but that pic is pretty funny, so thanks for that

No. 2606376

>>2606365
>I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the ship
Are they actually saying that or are they just making inane comments like "[Character B]'s husband is so cute"? I know shippers can be annoying but most of the time you can literally just ignore it.

No. 2606379

>>2606365
>an husbando
Sorry I don't speak French. Can you translate into English please.

No. 2606391

>>2606376
I've seen like two different shipping slapfights happen under post that had absolutely nothing to do with shipping that devolved into "X loves Y more! He's totally his husband" fujo powerscaling contests, which prompted me into making my post. Comments like that are also annoying, and yeah I'm aware you can just mute and block (I do plenty trust me) it just annoys me that I have to do this myself instead of people respecting fandom etiquette and sperging about their own ships in their own spaces.

No. 2606413

>>2606365
>I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the ship.
Honestly, I agree with this. And I'm a huffer of BL. Sometimes I like my yume stuff, or even solo pictures of a character. But I had posted a male character that I was proud of and immediately was told
>I bet Character A could bend him over and show what a real man does with a sword.
Or something to that effect. Like, shit man, I love watching dudes Do The Do but can we exercise some self control? kek

No. 2606416

>>2605059
>while fujos just prefer regular crossdressing
there is no regular crossdressing, it's always agp-tier

No. 2606431

>>2604846
>they never properly represent the "aesthetic" of gay men
It's not meant to be realistic, and only retarded Westerners claim that BL is "representation." Everyone else understands that it's just a genre of fiction women write for other women. Harem manga/anime is even more unrealistic and misogynistic, but I don't see antifujos squawking about that.

Fags are not helpless little damsels that need women/TiFs to defend them, yet for some reason, it's very rare for them to complain about yaoi themselves. Why do you suppose women are more invested in this moral crusade than the actual people they purport to defend? All this shit is just a false moral pretext to bully and condescend to other women, in defense of men no less.

And not that it matters anyway, but most gay men are not super effeminate, and in fact flamers are unpopular among gay men despite their high visibility to normies. Grindr is full of men saying "no femmes" (and no, that doesn't refer to gender identity, it specifically means no flamers). The average gay guy might be a little more GNC than a straight guy, but few of them run around toting purses and wearing high heels.

No. 2606432

>>2605059
Speak for yourself, I'm a fujo and I've never cared for crossdressing in BL.

No. 2606437

>>2606416
Doesn’t matter it’s still the most popular fetish among fujos, can you name a single male character with a bit of popularity who hasn’t been drawn in a maid outfit?

No. 2606441

>>2606432
You’re the odd one out then.

No. 2606473

>>2606437
Ntayrt, fujos are not the only ones drawing fanart of guys in maid outfits. Why not just point out the popularity of BL titles with cross dressing, like Love Stage?

No. 2606476

>>2605059
>fujos just prefer regular crossdressing.
>Fujo culture is a lot closer to that of male otaku culture ie:”character A is sooo moe” rather than depicting actual gay male culture.
Nta but true. I have never watched an episode of drag show but when I find a male character cute I want to appreciate him in every form including genderbends, crossdressing, and seeing him cry. You can't do that to 3D men without defying the laws of physics, activating the latent tranny gene, or getting the police called on you. 2D is superior to 3D for these autistic reasons.

No. 2606478

>>2606437
>it's still the most popular fetish
characters get drawn in maid outfits because there's a literal joke for May 10th sounding like "Maid Day", I would consider the whole BL thing being the most popular fetish for fujos no?

No. 2606483

>>2606478
>I would consider the whole BL thing being the most popular fetish for fujos no?
Anon probably means besides BL itself.

No. 2606485

>>2606478
>characters get drawn in maid outfits because there's a literal joke for May 10th sounding like "Maid Day"
Doesn’t that prove my point then if fujos are putting out droves of fanart on maid day kek (plus I see a lot even when it’s not maid day)
I’m also including stuff like playboy bunny costumes, seifuku and wedding dresses that you see a lot of BL fanart of.
>BL thing being the most popular fetish for fujos no?
I meant within BL spaces, obviously BL is the base fetish for female otaku.

No. 2606489

>>2606365
Good, suffer. I delight in hearing you guys seethe with envy over how popular slash is in fandoms. That's what you get for being so bitter and entitled.

No. 2606533

>>2606365
Personally I'd rather hear this autism over the retarded ddlg garbage that plagues het ships.

No. 2606548

>>2606533
Or just keep shipfaggotry relegated to tags

No. 2606624

>>2606365
i think anything that degrades or humilates men is based. antifujos just aren't on our level ig

No. 2606845

>>2606365
sucks 2 suck

No. 2607284

>>2606548
complain to elon musk idc

No. 2607795

>>2595715
Is that paladinboo's real face? What i am looking at
>>2595674
>YWNBAM anon
Wait, she posts here? There was a long derail in Shondo's thread between her and Shondo's now banned oldfag that made me believe she's a farmer

No. 2607827

>>2606624
based and correct

No. 2608250

Fujochans who like RPF, do you prefer your bias being the top or the bottom?

Also do you feel consooming media about anal sex makes you more or less likely to try receptive anal and/or pegging with a moid irl?

I just recently got into some fandoms where most of the smutfics are m/m… trying to understand it and maybe convert so I don't have to go hunting for the rare m/f fic…

No. 2608257

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>>2608250
>Also do you feel consooming media about anal sex makes you more or less likely to try receptive anal and/or pegging with a moid irl?
What the fuck lmfao makes me glad i am not a 3DPDfag.

No. 2608260

>>2608250
No, i have no desire to ever engage in anything anal related with anyone.

No. 2608277

>>2608250
>Also do you feel consooming media about anal sex makes you more or less likely to try receptive anal and/or pegging with a moid irl?
when i started having sex i took a sabbatical from reading m/m fic b/c the idea of anal put me off so much at that time. ive since gotten over it, but I would never try anal or pegging

No. 2608462

>>2608250
The hell is a "bias?" The character/person you like more? I'm not into RPF but my preference for who tops is something I base on the characters' personalities, not on which character is my favorite.

No. 2608463

>>2608462
I think it's a newish fandom term that started with kpop

No. 2608487

>>2608462
>>2608463
Yeah, it basically means your favorite, aka who you are “biased” to. Another way to think of it is as the kpoop equivalent to “oshi”. I mainly see it used in reference to real people like kpoop idols and not 2D.

No. 2608514

>>2608250
I’d rather you didn’t force yourself because I feel like that’s how we get fake bl “fans” who don’t actually care about the bl aspect

No. 2608851

>>2608487
Huh. Maybe I'm just weird, but I tend to like both characters in a ship equally or near-equally. Like I'm mentally going through all of my ships in my head, and it's genuinely hard to pick a favorite guy in most of them. It's probably because my methodology for picking a ship is 50% "do I like their dynamic" and 50% "do I really like both of these guys." I guess this is why I'm a frog fujo kek.

No. 2609723

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thoughts?

No. 2609752

>>2609723
I want to see men die in childbirth

No. 2609761

>>2609723
it's pretty funny they are subjecting 3DPD to this shit

No. 2609762

>>2609752
Fucking KEK

No. 2609766

>>2609752
>>2609762
>I want to see "people who get pregnant" die in childbirth

No. 2609778

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>>2609752
The angsty drama kino i didnt know i wanted

No. 2609779

>>2609723
abo shit is gay and 3dpd men are not yaois

No. 2609780

>>2609723
Holy shit I can't wait for the moid seething kek

No. 2609781

>>2609723
Do they show the knotting part at any point or is that in the bluray extended edition

No. 2609782

>>2609766
Men aren't people so it's fine

No. 2609787

>>2609780
why would they care?? i think anons dont realize how little moids care for this stuff and just want to parade consuming gay porn as some "feminist" fighting against the moid shit when this is the most libfem shit to do

No. 2609792

>>2609723
Does this have the alpha rape gangs? People always bring up mpreg but never the rape zombie hordes that are usually held back by bathroom stalls.

No. 2609793

>>2609787
I don't think they "care" in the sense they won't campaign for it to be removed or anything, but I feel like the straight moids who see it will react with disgust and that's funny enough

No. 2609795

>>2609792
I hope they include the Alpha Growl because that's one of the funniest tropes

No. 2609796

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>>2609787
nta but why are you lying, there was a scrote that started a smear campaign against LADS purely out of seething moid hatred. He accused lads fans of raping some cosplayer scrote and everything.

No. 2609800

>>2609723
Shout out to the Supernatural fandom being degenerates on Livejournal 15 years ago and inventing omegaverse you girls are the funniest fucks ever.

No. 2609802

>>2609795
I hope the actors are hammy af. Tbh the idea of a heat scene by itself is killing me.

No. 2609810

>>2609782
>>2609787
who gets pregnant in reality?

No. 2609823

File: 1752873951991.gif (11.88 KB, 90x90, 1749607626074.gif)

>>2609796
lads isnt bl though,when has there been any amount of outrage against yaoi recently? i really think they dont give less of a fuck and its just delusion to convince yourself youre "owning" the moids by watching/reading two fags fuck.hell just be honest that youre into a fetish without making it some faux "feminist" thing when its not.

No. 2609825

>>2609810
Ohhh you're right, sorry nona. I forgot that >>2609723 was a serious documentary about the problems women face in society

No. 2609827

>>2609823
Take a chill pill I'm >>2609780 and I literally just want to see their bewildered reactions

No. 2609830

>>2609810
The geniuses at Fujo U are working around the clock to make ABO real, you ungrateful swine

No. 2609836

>>2609823
Nta but tbh I have seen men bitch about The Summer Hikaru Died being gay and wishing it was a Song of Saya adaption instead.
Also a while ago a bl vn got popular, it got a lot of men complaining on how it was shovelware only popular because the LGBT community.
There was also the Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 kerfuffle.

No. 2609842

>>2609836
No one in their right mind would adapt Saya no Uta and put it on Netflix.

No. 2609878

>>2609836
>Wishing it was a Song of Saya adaptation instead
Are they absolutely fucking retarded? The story would be a million times shittier in a movie/TV show format (for a start, how would they adapt the multiple endings in a way that doesn't feel like a "muh multiverse" copout? Would they just adapt one and skip a bunch of content?) and they'd have to tone it down significantly if a real child was on set. Song of Saya isn't high art or anything, but there are REASONS why visual novels can often go crazier with their writing than movies or TV shows. Stupid ass moids.

No. 2609883

>>2609878
>they'd have to tone it down significantly if a real child
Anime adaption, I meant that they would rather that than Summer Hikaru Died, which is an anime that's been coming out recently so fwiw, no real children would need to be involved.

No. 2609888

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>>2609878
>>2609883
>live action Saya No Uta adaptation

No. 2609947

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>>2609823
>she wasnt there when free was released and /a/ had a massive meltdown
>she wasnt there when yoi outsold most animu and there was some scrote that tried to claim that the looney tunes dvd mogged the foojos
>she wasnt there when blizzard made soldier 76 a fag
>she wasnt there when the kingdome come made the main character a fag and moids had to resort to moralfagging to cope about it
I can't imagine being so angry at fujos and yaoi you unironically defend rapeapes who throw chimpouts at the slightest thing. These facts really make you mad for some reason.

No. 2609956

>>2609947
Also moids created lolicon to get back at fujos. But moids don't seethe at yaoi you guys they totally dont care, moids are the logical gender akcshually.

No. 2609960

>>2609956
Moids seethe at yaoi and hilariously so. I mean, it's all online bullshit but it's really fucking funny to see turbo virgins sperg about how Free is the devil's anime or how a woman writing about da homos makes him feel uncomfortable. I honestly just imagine Classic Chris Chan every time I read a post from a moid about yaoi, and I kek every time.

No. 2609969

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>>2609960
I honestly miss when moids would just say yaoi was faggy and gross, now they all try to claim yaoi is triggering. I've read so many scrotes claiming yaoi is the same as their gross loli hentai just because they want women to be treated like them, even though women aren't treated like possible child diddlers because of objective statistics and not the porn they consume. Most moids nowadays could rival tumblr's strongest snowflake with how quick they are to jump to moralfagging.

No. 2609971

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>>2609960
Them trying to paint pic related as evil underage child porn was insane, especially since didn't it have het sex scenes beforehand?

No. 2609976

>>2609971
They are starting to sound like the evil feminazis that they used to complain about topkek

No. 2609977

>>2609883
>>2609888
I am a sleep deprived retard who assumed they were seething about this >>2609723 not being a Saya adaptation instead KEK

No. 2609993

>>2609723
Blegh I despise a/b/o and I think it's retarded but I guess if the studio thinks people will watch this, then they're welcome to make it.

No. 2610001

>>2609956
Is this actually true? I don't doubt it one bit, I've just often heard this mentioned in passing without any kind of source.

No. 2610003

>>2609723
I read the producers and writers of this are millionaire twin sisters so it has super high production values. So based if true. Also saw chink moids were already trying to ruin their reputation by saying they were dating each other. Not even out and they're already seething.

No. 2610004

>>2610003
Not to defend the moids but I think those dumb rumours have existed for years.

No. 2610006

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>>2609971
Ugh these characters are fuggos in the game but the fanart is so kino it's not fair.

No. 2610011

>>2610004
>moids were already trying to ruin their reputation by saying they were dating each other
Not to be a boomer but the same thing happened to the sisters in the band Heart, and they were so pissed off about it they wrote the song Barracuda. Moids stay losing.

No. 2610018

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>>2595824
Made me think about how MDZS donghua pushes it into ryona territory and how much I really love violence and horror in my BL.

No. 2610025

>>2610003
Whats the name of this thing?

No. 2610026

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>>2610011
God damn what is it with these moids

No. 2610047

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No. 2610051

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>>2610047
(Nta) Nonnie in arms we have the same pdf… ♥

No. 2610058

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>>2610051
It's a pretty interesting book. It makes me rage though, especially since lolicon moids love to talk about how women infiltrate and ruin all the ''boy's clubs'', meanwhile they infiltrated and ruined comiket with their garbage.

No. 2610136

>>2609723
I like omegaverse but dramas are so fucking cringe.

No. 2610138

>>2610136
Very brave of you to admit to that.

No. 2610141

>>2610138
I've always been told that I'm brutally honest.

No. 2610300

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I'm working on a BL project and sort of wish I were into Omegaverse. But I don't like MPreg or super hard-set roles. I recently learned about Sentinel/Guardian stuff, which seems it could be fun to play around with, though. Anyone familiar with it or have thoughts about it? pic unrelated

No. 2610383

>>2610300
>Mfw I wrote out a huge post to this but my browser crashed and now I have to go to work
I will be back nonna…. Just know that I love how sandbox-y esper/guide is because it's a fantasy background setting and when done well it can be super entertaining, as long as one is "the magic user" and the other is "the one who regulates that magic," anything goes. I've read B Class Guide and loved it, and 2 others I'm reading are Profundis, and Bloodbound. Kyaaah

No. 2610832

>>2609956
I've been hearing that rumor for years, but I highly doubt it, because graphic child pornography has existed in Japan for a while, even before the modern manga boom. I think those industries certainly overlapped, but Japanese fujos and lolicons were simply following the Japanese tradition of making child pornography, and despite any perceived moralism, Japanese fujos and lolicons have collectively stood together, resisting any attempt to ban child pornography.

No. 2610839

>>2610832
>I've been hearing that rumor for years, but I highly doubt it
People have been posting evidence in both this thread and the fandom thread since yesterday.

No. 2610852

>>2610300
I don't even know what the S/G thing is so I'm very sorry I can't help there, but I have read a few BL omegaverse doujins and fanfictions that had no M-preg. Maybe, you could write some omegaverse story that has the omega on some faulty pills that ever so conveniently gives him a heat but makes him infertile kek. Not really that crazy since irl fags are basically rutting animals anyways

No. 2610872

>>2610832
The creator of cybelle and the guy behind comiket admitted it themselves. What a holy cope. The first loli magazine published in comiket began before the child pornography boom of the 80s. Women couldn't push lolifags out of comiket because the event coordinator was in favour of lolishit. Why do antifujos always find a way to blame women for moid's crimes.

No. 2611722

>>2610383
I hate when that happens! I'll look into those titles. I've been interested in the infinite flow genre, so I thought the concept of S/G would fit in with it, too.
>>2610852
LOL spoiler is true. The concept of incubi could easily be worked into it. Turn blueballing/dickstupid into something only sex with other men could cure.



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