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No. 2584462
As always, report and ignore bait.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>Does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real-life ideology and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying "straight-with-extra-steps" shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2523554 No. 2584498
I hope this thread discusses more yaoi and the like and not
irl 3DPD bullshit haha.. ha..
>>2584462You did good OP. You did real good.
No. 2585443
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>>2584750When it comes to Japanese stuff, I prefer original manga to djs. But as far as Western m/m goes, I prefer fanfic, because as you can see from what
>>2583370 posted, Westerners have shockingly shit taste when it comes to art styles, because they prioritize being ~yooneek~ over being aesthetically pleasing. Thankfully, if it's a fic, you don't have to see a shitty art style. That said, there are exceptions: I'm surprised no one brought up Teahouse yet. Into the Smoke has a decent art style, too. Check Please has a somewhat ugly art style, but the good writing makes up for it. Starfighter is hot if you can put up with the lore making no sense kek. Ride or Die has an art style that reminds me a little bit of Motorcity. But yeah the pickings are pretty slim when it comes to Western comics, almost everything is either badly drawn or full of gender nonsense. Or it's capeshit: if you're alright with cape slop, Midnighter and Apollo is good because it can be read stand-alone, as opposed to anything with Wiccan and Hulking which requires a bunch of background reading to understand what the hell is going on.
No. 2585519
>>2584750Reading wise (like with words only) I prefer fanfic because I'm reading about something I'm familiar with so it's easier to get immersed in it and it won't bore me to death hopefully. But manga and anime wise I do prefer original stuff because it feels like starting a new thing from scratch and it's exciting to get to know the franchise, story and characters. Doujins aren't bad but they're usually a bit too short for my liking and leave a lot to desire or too OOC and I just skip the dialog and look at the smut since they rush the way they get there anyways. I want a DJ that's like a fanfiction in story telling but with art that resembles the original franchise and is like multiple chapters but that's probably hard to make. So I just look at fan art instead lol. I'll say I get more invested in non-canon ships from things I watch because of the story being complex and long and them having great dynamics, so seeing fan work with them as a ship is pretty exciting. While original yaoi is the same boring settings and dynamics over and over again it's hard to get into it anymore. It's always
>school setting>band setting>office setting>CEO and some poorfag setting>bully and victim settingAnd so on. Banana Fish and Yuri on Ice had the right idea with an actual story happening around the ship and pushing them together, but the former chickened out on showing it and the latter wasn't as passionate as I'd like. I'm lame and I want a shounen slop tier yaoi story. That story about some kid who died in summer that was trending a while ago had potential but also chickened out. Tokyo Ghoul was rumored to originally be a yaoi but the writer chickened out and I can totally see it, it would've been better as a yaoi. No. 6 was cool but they separated at the end unfortunately. Zanyou no Terror had yaoi bait in it and it could've worked tbh but again they chickened out. Hell even Jojo chickens out on that and all the gay couples are side characters who die and we don't get enough of them to invest in them. I need my sense of grandeur in my ships PLEASE.
No. 2585650
>>2585565Exactly.
>You're sexualising MLM!1!1!I would rather eat my eat through a bag of rocks than watch 3d moids going at it, it's like watching wild animals on the discovedy channel, I can't will myself to look.
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it's over
No. 2585898
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>>2585650MLM is such a retarded term, and ironically it's rare to see actual gay men using it. The term only exists because the phrase "same-sex relationships" displeased troons.
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>>2584750I used to read both until fanfiction communities became overcome with gendies, now I exclusively read original works.
>>2585884I like both BL and het romance too, and have the same issue of finding many to be poorly written or featuring annoying tropes. However, cringe tropes in BL (yaoi logic and edgy rape shit) tend to make me less mad than the cringe tropes in het (mostly rooted in misogyny and remind me of bad shit I actually face in RL). It also helps that I started reading BL as an adult and am very good at filtering out garbage writing from summary alone.
No. 2585951
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>>2585882I saw the same post and also how the OP went out of their way to change the article title kek.
I think it's ironic that the article ended up on childfree, because the more the CPC attempts to punish and prevent women from having any sort of escape from the Heterosexual Nuclear Family, the more I think voluntarily sterilization will rise, even if women have to go aboard to get the procedure.
The BBC author has A+ tastes in ships, though.
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>>2585639>>2585692I wonder if I would've turned out different if I had never discovered Juxian Tang's site at 13 years old and read that Russian civil war story with necro shit in it.
No. 2586872
>>2586701Ngl I wonder if something else that's effecting it is the grey wave, the fact that there's more elders and less young people.
Women are primary caretakers for the elderly, if they're too busy taking care of their parents and grandparents, they're not going to have the time to date and take care of children at the same time.
No. 2587209
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>>2586701Well, yeah. Having kids sucks for women, pregnancy is hard on our bodies and we get stuck with most of the work of raising kids. It's not surprising that when we're actually given the choice, we have fewer kids or none at all. If moids want women to have more kids, they should be better fathers and actually raise the babies they supposedly want so bad. But a lot of natalist men don't actually want the work of being parents, they just want more humans to pay taxes and change old peoples' diapers. Just look at a purported natalist like Musk, who dodges taxes, hardly sees any of his kids, and whose tech companies have done fuckall to improve any of the crises caused by the silver tsunami. A lot of natalists are wealthy right-wing or libertarian men who
can help alleviate these problems, but would rather push the work and blame off on women like moids
always do.
Fuck, I forgot this was the yaoi thread. Uhhh… I like when hot guys kiss. Like in this picture.
No. 2587368
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Why do the Korean BL fandom and authors have a Morality Crusade against Piracy to the point of saying things like pic related?
I'm not completely without sympathy for the low pay situation artists are in, and the zoomer generation is too shameless about posting illegal scans on social media, but the legal readers act there can be no nuance on the subject and that the parent company can't be criticized ever for the reasons the BL manhwa is inaccessible in various countries (region locking, censorship, poverty and/or having a weak currency, etc). It's either pay up or GTFO out of the fandom.
No. 2587385
>>2587368i already a offered a explanation in the fandom thread but it's because the people who pirate manhwas are way more disrespectful to the authors than the people who pirate mangas, also manhwa reader post their pirating on the same platforms where the author can see it, like atleast have some common sense to not talk about pirating ur fav manhwa on twitter.
Also mangas are WAAAAAY more protected by the copyright system meanwhile webtoons and manhwas are not as much which is the authots feel this level of frustration.
No. 2587422
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Lately I've been encountering an annoying group of fujos that constantly virtue signal about how they are NLOF and don't care about the sexual content in BL and passive-aggressively shitting on anyone who doesn't make their reading tastes the center of their personality. I can lowkey deal with it when it's woke fujotifs that whine endlessly about "mlm representation" and "bad fetishizer cis fujos" on twitter, I expect such retardation from them. But it's so disappointing when a normie/terfy fujo friend who is outwardly chill reveals herself to be desperate for attention like this. Stop trying to imply I lack appreciation for good stories and characterization because I play BL games/read BL manga that you have just labeled "bad porn" (without actually paying attention to what their stories are actually about)? You're not better than me because you play more niche untranslated JP games/read fujobait shounen doujinshi and then lie about the level of sex content in them. Even more annoying is how these fujos are frequently found to actually salivate over sex scenes but then if you call them out on the hypocrisy it suddenly is "different"? I'm just so done nonnies
No. 2587444
>>2587386>>2587400a less dramatic way of wording this would be money discrepancies between thirdie countries making it more difficult to support artists ethically. A simple 2$ weekly episode token could be better used for daily necessities in countries with weaker currencies.
It reminds me how retarded webtoon is for locking completed comics behind a weekly paywall where you essentially have to wait a scheduled posting period for a work that's already been long completed
No. 2587612
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>>2587209>natalistOh…you're one of those people? What's preventing a baby from being raised in the community then having the onus be on the mom to do all the child raising? I'm not childfree nor an anti-natalist but I can understand why many women want to opt out of marriage and motherhood when the only choices they have is raising a kid and some moid's grandparents over being free to do whatever they want? but that leads to the existentialism of what is to begin of later generations once more and more women marry less and give birth to less? I'm sorry if this isn't bl related but to return to that, I'm kind of weird for loving two men having a family together? Like I know the appeal is to avoid that but that brain of mine really loves the little domesticities and comforts in life.
No. 2588008
>>2585519Damn nona are you literally me? Hard agree especially on wanting non-yaoi anime that just happens to have a m/m ship. I just want a series that has an interesting story AND a mc with a male love interest, is that too much to ask for? It's fucked up how many series rely on fujos to keep them relevant, but at the same time won't 100% commit to it and make the ship a proper couple, because they don't want to scare away the more ''general'' audience that's grossed out by explicit BL.
Not yaoi, but what G-Witch did was really insulting. For those that don't know, the anime had a main f/f couple and by the last episode they got matching rings, however after some time the official twitter made a post about their relationship being completely ''up to interpretation'' and basically denying its' canon status. Well, if it was a m/m ship, they probably wouldn't even have gotten the rings in the first place.
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>>2585519>I'm lame and I want a shounen slop tier yaoi story.Have you tried reading danmei or korean web novels?
Sure, their reputation is pretty bad, but if you're desperate then maybe its worth checking out a webnovel or two.
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>>2587222It's a guy with long hair
No. 2588646
>>2587422Moralfaggotry is a scourge in female-dominant nerd spaces. It seems like there always has to be an annoying pecking order in terms of least/most "
problematic" ships and fetishes. It's clown on clown violence, frankly.
>NLOFKek I'm stealing this
No. 2588654
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>>2587612One of what people? I have no idea what you're trying to say, I feel like I'm having a stroke while reading this. Are you ESL?
No. 2588664
>>2588654nta I assumed I was having a stroke kek. This is my 5th time reading her post and I'm still not getting it. (am now sleep deprived)
Okay tackled it again. I think she is saying why not have the community assist with parental duties
instead of/rather than the
mother do it alone? But if that lifestyle of not taking care of a child and/or the grandparents of another seems appealing, it makes sense to just choose to not bother.
Then she mentions it is cute that some BL has families and she likes that. NLOF
No. 2589528
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>>2588823If you actually read the comic you'd know that people
have tried to kill him for having red eyes and red hair. Also, the gods have strange hair colors and skin tones. Bast has dark grey skin, Osiris has green skin, Tefnut has blue skin, and Thoth has blue hair. They’re gods and it's Manhwa.
Also, speaking of Ennead, I'm blown away by the amount of xreader and hetslop on the tags for it. It's a BL story where the endgame couple is extremely obvious. Granted, it has way better female characters than most BL, so that's probably why people feel invested in hetships. Honestly, this makes me feel sympathetic for hetfags. The way I feel when I see a tag for a BL manga be full of straight shit is how they must feel when the tags for whatever normie slop they normally like is full of slash shipping.
No. 2589538
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>>2588073I was reading mission save the hunter just yesterday, I didn't check tags so I legit thought it was a regular shounen webtoon because I encountered picrel. I think you might like it
No. 2589571
>>2589528Sounds interesting actually. Idk how to say this in a non-inflammatory way but the balance with female and male characters while still being BL makes it higher quality imo. Like a form of more "serious" BL as a form of art and storytelling. Not saying BL shouldn't be silly, I love Yarichin Bitch Club so much, but the genre is saturated with funny hahaha weird random stuff so this is a breath of fresh air.
>>2589538Nice, thanks.
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>>2585519>shounen slopi find kr manhwa and chinese danmei offering more diverse and varied settings outside of the stuff you lsted. danmei especially does a lot of infinite flow and post-apocalyptic stuff where some of them are like solo levelling (but better).
for manhwa, one that comes to mind at the moment is My Guildmate Next Door (picrel). it revolves around an MMORPG so there's a lot of battling and levelling up, and in the middle there's slice of life fluff. not sure if that fits your idea of shounen slop.
there's another series called Dreadful Night where the MC tries to get out of an infinitely looping survival horror game, but he got entangled (figuratively and literally) with one of the game's NPCs.
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>>2589571If you can cope with the occasional
gratitutious male-male rape or are okay with reading the SFW version, it's worth checking out. The author clearly wanted it to be more than just a BL story, it's surprisingly cerebral and has interesting themes about atonement and jealousy. It's about pagan deities, so there's a lot of moral ambiguity in the comic, and all of the relationships are inherently incestuous because they're all descended from one major deity. There's just no avoiding that in fiction about Greek, Roman, or Egyptian mythology, sorry. It reminds me a lot of an American comic called Age of Bronze, which I also really like.
No. 2589685
>>2589528I'm not that empathetic for the Ennead hetfags when the author is pulling some crazy shit with SethNeph getting the fake BL fans crying
victim why people are hating on their straight ship in a fucking BL
But at least in the case of normie het stuff, the slash shipping never stood a chance or any canonicity that affects the straight couple endgame. In Ennead's case, the author has to pull a lot of crap out of her ass to make Horus and Seth make more sense than the straight ship
No. 2589854
>>2589685There are only two possible outcomes for this story: either the two leads end up together, or it ends in tragedy with Seth serving his sentence alone. There is as little chance of Seth and Nephthys being endgame as there was of Sasuke and Naruto being endgame, for the simple reason that Ennead is a BL manhwa and Naruto is a shonen manga. If someone wants to see a man and a woman settle down in a stable marriage with 2.5 kids and a dog, they should look in literally any genre besides BL. Do they genuinely think a BL author would throw over a hundred chapters of romantic buildup between the two leads in the trash just to stick one of them with his ex wife in the end? Genuinely if a BL author pulled something like that she'd probably have to go into witness protection kek.
As an aside, I don't really evaluate the quality of a fictional romance solely on how much "sense" it makes. I'm more interested in whether the romance makes for a compelling story or character arcs, and in some cases that can mean that the couple is genuinely unhealthy. Horus and Seth are not a healthy couple, but they're definitely compelling. Maybe it's just my personal taste, but as a reader I can't help but feel invested in
the way Seth pushes people away due to his pride, guilt, and unresolved trauma while (after the trials) Horus is unrelentingly kind to him, managing to break Seth's walls down over time. I guess I just particularly like the doting optimist + damaged cynic combination lmao. No. 2589909
>>2589854Because Ennead is a different sort of BL in that it's sort of like a serious novel, almost literary, I can't help but to judge the fictional romance if it makes "sense." HoruSeth has a lot going for it in terms of the dynamics and what's been going on so far, but in terms of what Seth had before with Nephthys versus now with Horus, which mind you it's only been about a month since he got rescued from Horus from the first caravans timeline wise, it's pretty pithy, especially because the author put a ton of het supplemental material for them back in season 1 and not with Horus.
I personally can't wait for Horus to finally tell Seth to fuck off and Seth is on his knees pleading for another chance because he's a massive retard.
>Genuinely if a BL author pulled something like that she'd probably have to go into witness protection kek.She's treading close though, kek. Hopefully the dead brother Horus will have some history with Seth
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>>2589909>in terms of what Seth had before with Nephthys versus now with Horus, which mind you it's only been about a month since he got rescued from Horus from the first caravans timeline wise, it's pretty pithyIf Mojito wanted the story to be about Seth and Nephthys' relationship, she wouldn't have chosen to start the story at the moment where Seth and Horus meet, or put Horus kissing Seth's hand on the cover. Or, think of it this way: Seth and Nephthys' marriage is pretty much the same as the mythology up until the mirror plot point. However, Mojito changed a
lot of the mythology to facilitate the relationship between Seth and Horus, because it's a BL manga and their relationship is the focal point of the narrative. In the source myth, the most they ever did was have hate sex. Yes, Mojito has a much more high-minded approach to her work than most BL manhwa writers, but it's still BL first and foremost. If her main goal was to reinterpret mythology, she would've written something more like Age of Bronze, where the m/m stuff is incidental rather than the focus.
>I personally can't wait for Horus to finally tell Seth to fuck off and Seth is on his knees pleading for another chance because he's a massive retardWhy would he do that? As far as I can tell, Horus is completely infatuated with him.
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>>2590160Slight blog but I've become more and more jaded about giving bl recommendations to fujo friends because they seem to have this herd mentality of just following what's popular, faking interest in it for some months and then complaining about not having enough stories that cater to their actual niche interests. But if I go to the trouble of remembering their preferences and recommend things they will actually like, they either ignore my rec until it becomes mainstream, or in the rare cases when they actually pick it up and enjoy it, act uninterested in chatting or posting about it because there isn't a big fandom for it. I miss the old days when it was common to post austisyic essays about your honest opinions about whatever niche manga/anime/book you were enjoying without expecting a "fandom" to validate you
No. 2590374
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I hate to cater to certain rabid antifujos, but I do think some fujos have somewhat of a cuck fetish stemming from low self confidence. Or maybe it's internalized misogyny after all. I've seen the premise of pic related way too often.
>the perfect handsome heartthrob rejects all those weak, normal women and gets hot and bothered for the manly male who can manhandle him properly!!
No. 2590385
>>2590374I think it's more like
> Omg, men are always chasing after women, but this guy isn't! He's into men!! But I see where you are coming from
No. 2590436
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>>2590374Women love a submissive man, of course it will be extra hot when he is physically smaller than the guy who could manhandle him so it's not just a choice for him.
Also fujos in Japan come across as putting their male characters through what men put women through over there, and the only type of people who can dish that out are other men. Or monsterboys. Or furry women like kaneoya sachiko kek. No. 2590441
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>>2590413Yeah, it seems like gap moe to me too.
>>2590436I threw up a little. Picrel also showed up as a banner to perfectly express my feelings.
No. 2590451
>>2589528>>2589854stfu, this is another one of those
>"the uke so beautiful (more than even women) that every male character has to fuck him when they see him"I hate this series because it introduced fujocoomers to egyptian mythology and they ruined it. like seth is described as being red-skinned (meaning he was very tanned) and for some reason the stupid author thought that meant ginger, it's also weird she made him the uke considering he famously tried to rape horus in one myth
>>2588638>It's a guy with long hairwho in one chapter also effortlessly passed as a woman
No. 2590453
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>>2590111>Why would he do that? As far as I can tell, Horus is completely infatuated with him.Giiiiiiiiiirl did you not see what happened int he latest chapter? Horus is so fucking pissed and he looks INCREDIBLE
No. 2590463
>>2590456I'm really confused how you interpret my post as being a tif, but okay. You don't know the context so shut up.
>>2590451Seth is described to have white skin and red hair in some papyrus text.
>>2590364I like Ennead but I get you though. The pacing is a slog and I keep getting eye-raped by that rape-ape foreign faggot character who turned out to be the rapist extraordinaire, Zeus
No. 2590490
>>2590463>Seth is described to have white skin and red hair in some papyrus text.Possible, Seth was consistently portrayed as a god of Egypt's enemies, even though they probably did not worship him in that way, but he was associated with everything the Egyptians considered barbaric and uncivilized
>>2590451Technically he raped Horus, but unbeknownst to Seth, horus stuck his hand in his anus, collected the semen and threw it into the Nile. Seth in turn plotted to humiliate Seth by throwing his semen on Seth's lettuce. When they then appeared before the other gods, Seth confidently declared that the kingship was his because he had humiliated Horus. As proof, he called upon his semen and a voice answered from the Nile. Horus in response called upon his own semen and a voice came from within Seth and he was humiliated.
No. 2590501
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>>2590493keep telling yourself that
No. 2590506
>>2589528I'm a fujo and I don't get all this hate over the het shit because did you read the story or what? Did you not see that it involves an uke that's already married with a woman and has a kid? They're shown kissing in the first chapters. This is that kind of BL where the author wants to explore the female characters as well and one of the boys is bisexual. So yeah you're going to see het moments like you have from the start.
>>2589631>>2589571The female characters are very well-written, it's unusual for a BL but imo that's what makes it stand out.
>>2589909>>2590453I fucking hate Horus in S2. I don't care if the rabid fans screech at me but he's annoying and the author fucked up the pacing in S2. It's like they have no chemistry. They're two characters that are on a different level and as the story is now they just don't work. Mojito wasted all those chapters with the bearded faggot when she could have properly explored the Horuseth ship.
Keep in mind that a short period of time has passed from the start of S2. Seth is shown worrying for his family, chasing his past glory (failing), killing his former believers and trying to atone for his sins This all makes sense but the author left no space for Horus. We see him accompany Seth around only after the whole thing with the faggot god is over, which is a lot of chapters in. The joke that Horus is overly jealous is made over and over again. Then Anubis and the women come in, and Horus feels useless there because there is just no space for him. They run around temples, Horus is still kinda there. What doesn't seem believable to me is that Horus tries to fuck Seth several times, he rejects him and he acts all embarassed but like, why? It's been a month and there is no indication Seth even finds him attractive. Then bam, some time later they fuck hard in a magical fertility temple that makes them horny and suddenly Seth is in love (how? Seth was disgusted by gay sex the day before kek). Horus bitches non-stop because "waahh waahh the guy I've been fucking for a month doesn't immediately forget his raped/abused (by his brother) wife and kid AND is weirded out when I fuck him because I previously raped him" like what?? I can't understand what the author wants me to think because putting these two relationships on the same level is insane. It's unrealistic that Seth is torn because again, this is the guy he's been with for a month and fucked while high off fertility magic, and we also don't see their chemistry (because jokes and foreign faggot taking up half the plot) or Seth's internal monologue where he actively yearns for Horus.
And I get that the author will go for the "actually Horus and Seth were lovers/brothers in the past life so their love lives on now" thing but we have no hints about that in the story besides some very obscure and vague hyeroglyphs in S1. A casual reader isn't going to get that. There isn't like a moment where Seth feels like Horus is familiar, or that he's attracted to him, or that he seriously sexually yearns for him (beside the comment on his blue eyes ONCE) like we have with Horus. It feels one-sided and stupid. In a way the R15 version is better because there is romance instead of straight up smut where the characters barely talk, but it's still so late to introduce their relationship as a serious one on par with Nephthys's. Idk if the author meant for Horus so come off as this annoying ass fag that gets angry when the guy he's been with for a month doesn't fall head over heels for him. He feels like an immature angry kid.
No. 2590517
>>2590501that's not the the point being made
>>2590506the child is not his and there are more sex scenes of seth being raped by men than with his wife and if you find the female character in this crappy series "well written" then idk what to say
>>2590514>and are menmen who look like 13 year old girls and can get pregnant
No. 2590523
>>2590501>weak, emotional, pretty, gets sexually assaulted and takes after their mother>this clearly means they're a woman, there's no way a man could ever be weak, emotional, pretty, assaulted, or take after their mother.So a woman that takes after her dad and us an autistic bitch is a tually a man in the inside?
>>2590517>men who look like 13 year old girls and can get pregnantIf Seth looks like a woman then you must be only around trannies. Given what you think women are, that makes sense.
No. 2590531
>>2590375I used this fanart as an example because I just saw it and it reminded me of this phenomenon. But yes, exactly what you mentioned with
>I'm sure better examples would be older BL manga in which a female character is actively trying to get in between the main pairing for some reasonIt just seems awkward to me that when a lot of fujo artists and mangakas include women, it's exclusively so they get chucked by a man in some way or shown as otherwise inferior. I have dropped several mangas/doujins for the same reason.
Also before anyone misinterprets my point, I don't argue against any women being shown in yaoi at all, I just think the way a lot of fujos pick this way of involvement over literally anything else is weird.
>>2590381>a little sexy that the women (who crush on him) don't know the guy is a homo,Why is this considered sexy though?
>>2590385The image may have been a bit too vague of an example, yeah.
>>2590413As also a fujo, there are a million ways to show gap moe that doesn't include women this way.
>>2590415Yeah, that could be and is also a good point.
>>2590423>>2590430Leave the sassy empty comments on twitter if you have nothing else to say or don't understand what I'm saying.
No. 2590543
>>2590531Having a female fan club unaware of an actualy relationship is in everything, there's het(both shoujo and ecchi romcom), yuri, and yaoi that do it because it's an old trope.
It's not meant to be about cucking, I hate how prevalent "um..cuck!" is now, but to give a little bit of a two faced gap for the mc, that the public doesn't know their hidden feelings.
>>2590535Pretty sure of it was actually het, you wouldn't be pissing yourself seething.
No. 2590551
>>2590460nta Let's play devil's advocate here. Is there truly something wrong with a person enjoying het smut? Is there something wrong with a person enjoying het smut but both characters are drawn with penises? Likez sure,
>Just say you like het smut and make one of them a girlis an approach, but people are happy as-is, no?
No. 2590558
Honestly, I'm kind of interested, how would you give the impression of a man trying hard to act professionally at the detriment of rejecting romantic gifts, but unable to hide his reactions well when it comes to the guy he likes?
Replace them with grandmas and kids? Make everybody a gay man?
>>2590551Nta but if it was het smut, moids would be spamming the scenes of the mc getting SA'd and jerking off over egyption ginger goth war mommy and going "do women really?"
Fortunately they are not, as the characters are clearly men.
No. 2590560
>>2590551If fujos like
>>2590558 would admit it and not escalate their porn addiction grow, I would be content
No. 2590568
>>2584462Sorry for derailing, but damn this thread is too retarded.
Just use this shit for getting off if you are into it, otherwise ignore it.
You never see men arguing about the ethics of certain types of porn.
Why can't we let women just enjoy stuff? Most of this shit is tamer than even the most normie-scrote stuff.
I am not a fujo, but I will never understand women who are so against it.
It also makes moids and pick-mes seethe, so I think that it is cool.
No. 2590569
>>2590543I was literally thinking about what other word to describe it with because I don't like it either kek, but cucking is the closest. I understand when the focus/thrill is on the men having hidden relationships or muh 'b-but we're both boys!!' but I don't see the point of bringing in women into it.
>>2590547I explained what phenomenon I meant as best as I could, it feels like you're just acting dumb because you're feeling defensive at this point.
No. 2590576
>>2590453>looks incredibleNo, he looks very generic.
Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL. Sure, keep the Horus-Seth hate sex encounter during their competition, but keep true to the source material otherwise. The character designs are great, and so are many of the character arcs. Only Horus and Seth's romance seems hamfisted and very awkward.
No. 2590583
>>2590570>like fighting onlineSame pinch,
nonnie. Kek.
But overall, I am tired of policing women's sexuality and interests. Sure, it might not be my cup of tea, and some underage fujofags can get annoying. But, it is largely harmless, and a way for women to get creative and create media that is moid-repellant. That is a win in my books.
No. 2590586
>>2590576>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL.Well, it's better to just be honest and just say you like your het ship more than the canon than trying to moralfag your way into making everybody hate hetfags.
Its not like fujo don't say the same shit about some het stories, though in those cases they're simply told to fuck off.
No. 2590587
>>2590576I mean his rage is incredible
>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BL. No fuck off with that. It would’ve been fine as a BL if Mojito was a competent writer that didn't shove foreign faggot down our fucking throats and gets assmad when fans despise him
No. 2590600
>>2590586There are certainly stories where gay ships make more sense too. It is just that Horus and Seth's relationship does not develop properly, and it feels very forced and rushed. The author could have arguably done a better job on that.
I am not trying to moralfag, as I do not care either way. I do not consider myself a fujo or anti-fujo. I just like mythology-based media, and had stumbled upon the Ennead while browsing. It is certainly better than most BLs in terms of plotlines and character arcs, but Seth and Horus just do not seem very compatible. Seth had better chemistry with Nepthys.
No. 2590603
>>2590587Oh, I agree. I could get behind the BL concept if Seth and Horus had better chemistry. Sorry for offending you.
I also hated that bearded fag a lot. Fucking waste of space and time. The author could have devoted that energy to actually having a proper romance and courtship arc.
No. 2590616
>>2590600>>2590603Wait, now that I think about it, the author probably added that beardfag to create some sort of tension and jealousy. It was a very lousy attempt, and just called further attention to the fact that she had no proper way of showing just how devoted and madly in love Horus was without introducing a supposed rival.
Honestly, ahe could have just followed this route:
>Seth tries to coerce Horus into sex and succeeds as per original myth >Tension ensues>Horus wins the contest and is declared king of Eygpt>He has complex feelings about Seth, and chooses to exile him and punish him>Seth goes through a centuries long redemption arc>They cross paths from time to time and help each other out>They bicker and fight while slowly becoming closer>Weird hate sex or something idk>Seth ends up joining his court>Horus attains godhoodWhile we are at it, remove that Osiris brotherlover shit. You can have Nepthys cheat to conceive Anubis, but do not add those weird layers of brothercest and mpreg experimentation nonsense.
Also, actually show Horus be a competent ruler, and create conflicts surrounding that.
The reason while I mainly dislike the Seth and Horus dynamic is because Horus is too clingy, and Seth is the personification of battered wife syndrome.
No. 2590619
>>2590616>While we are at it, remove that Osiris brotherlover shitNo, tf is this nonsense. Remove the actual angsty
toxic drama? Go read Heartstoppers, fuck.
No. 2590626
>>2590602>write your own ficToo busy with work these days, and just shifted recently. I might end up doing it somewhere around December.
After thinking about it, I might go for a Horus-Seth ship where Horus actually has balls, and Seth is not passed around like a doll. Hetfics can get boring kek.
No. 2590630
>>2590619I just do not like Osiris' character design, amd think that stuff was unnecessary. Just have a good-old infidelity arc.
>HeartstopperEwwww nonna. I feel insulted.
>>2590621Unfathomably based.
No. 2590639
>>2590633That would just make it unrecognizable.
>racistHow?
I just think that the characters shoukd be written in a better way, and that the brothercest shit is gross.
>love triangle with two womenNow I know why fujos hate hetfags. Wtf nonna?
No. 2590650
>>2590643Sorry, I am retarded.
>>2590641Quite the jump there. How is yaoi and pedoshit on the same level?
No. 2590652
>>2590648I am not fine with any of it, kek.
I hate Hades and Persephone centric stuff with a passion due to the age gap.
Horus and Seth are an incest pairing too, but I am still okay with that for the most part. I just think that the Osiris stuff ia unnecessary.
No. 2590653
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>>2590639>How?nta but you see variations of picrel show up a lot in east asian works
No. 2590656
>>2590653Okay. So the problem is that darker guys are depicted as more burly? Anubis got buffed up too to be fair.
It never really struck me as that racist, but I can see why other people might view it that way.
On an unrelated note, any nice yuri stuff with interracial couples? Give me recs.
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>>2590460Whats wrong with liking feminine men. Masculine men get boring after a while, i want a cute guy that dresses nicely and cute for me.
No. 2590669
>>2590654I can't understand reading Ennead if youre not okay with bl or god fuckery. You should have seen this coming from the "bl" tag" and the "god fuckery" from the first page.
I hate how people are try so hard to like things they don't actually like by cutting it apart in ridiculous ways, and then going "I like it tho". If you liked it, you wouldn't rip it apart in such a haphazard shitty way. There's criticism, sure, but this isn't it. This is just wishing you were reading a different comic, wishing you were in a different fandom.
No. 2590671
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>>2590560a fujoshi will portray a canonical male character like this, draw him pregnant, and be shocked when most fujoshi eventually ascend to troondom
No. 2590672
>>2590665Agreed.
It just seems like she is playing around with too many ideas at once.
I really like Seth's character and it sucks that he is constantly tossed around like a rag doll and molested.
I have not even read much BL, and Ennead only caught my eye because of the artstyle and the mythology theme.
I wish that the author had a clearer vision and treated her characters with more care. This manhwa had serious potential.
No. 2590697
>>2590671Oh, that's a cute guy-
>read filename>Sirius BlackKek. It still looks cute, but atleast give him a stubble lol.
No. 2590706
>>2590685Quite a leap to make.
>>2590694>NightwingIsn't that moid an adult? Wow, what a reach by that anon.
>>2590701Keeek
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>>2590709Lolcow's resident girl gang who keep the farms stubble free.
No. 2590728
>>2590724Cool. I prefer clean-shaven guys too, it is just that I associate Sirius with a slight stubble for some reason. Might be due to the movies having a butt-ugly scrite play him.
I hope that I did not attract the ire of the ump gang.
No. 2590753
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>>2590600I started reading Ennead when I was still unsure what genre it was (I am fine with both bl and het). This was way before it became mainstream, only 20ish chapters were fantranslated I think. I dropped it after following it for a couple months because despite loving mythology both in general and the author's take on it, I simply was not feeling the horusxseth romance and the author's attempts to "redeem" Seth just failed in my eyes. I'm still curious about how the story and worldbuilding will eventually play out but I refuse to subject myself to the Seth getting constantly bullied by npcs arc and that uggo bearded dude that gets so much screentime. I feel like the story became much less exciting for me ever since Seth's mask came off
>>2590551You worded this very badly but I won't start an infight and assume you don't mean that in a gendie sense. Anyway, IMO there is nothing inherently bad about exporting tropes from het smut into smut featuring two men, I don't want 100% realism in my smut and don't mind some idealized depictions of sex. I don't want to see gay hookup culture or characters swooning over a hairy bear character, I want to see similarly pretty or handsome men in bl and het smut. Even for the sex dynamics, I want to see similar things in both genres, like lots of kissing, foreplay, both partners being competitive in trying to pleasure each other, minimum amount of kinks (like I wouldn't care about roleplaying as a nurse or whatever but bdsm and other nasty shit is a no).
However, I'm comfortable with my own tastes to admit that some of my preferences in BL sex come from my being heterosexual and viewing the sex through the lens of a straight woman. I'm fully aware that the uke is a man, but I do find it more esthetically pleasing when he experiences some of the same sex related tropes as a woman would. A couple neutral examples would be the uke scratching and leaving scratches on the seme's back, or the uke being picked up by a bigger male and pressed against a wall during sex, etc. I have read and enjoyed lots of manga with smaller semes, but my monkey brain always gets excited the most when the seme is at least a bit bigger than the uke (picrel). Some fujos probably aren't affected by the cavewoman instinct of assigning big/tall = man = penetrative role as much as I am, but I really don't care much about this, and accept my tastes without putting any moral value to it. I don't view the simple act of slot A goes into slot B as something degrading, and I don't think an uke in bl smut and a female mc in het smut are same just because they both enjoy being penetrated during sex.
No. 2590759
>>2590682Zeus could disappear from the plot and it would stay the same, actually it would be better.
It kills me to see that she handled more characters in S1 (even more than S2) but despite that she still managed to give everyone the right amount of attention and even the Horuseth tension was a lot deeper even if they had less time to interact. We also had more insight on Seth's thoughts.
S2 has a lot more chapters but it goes nowhere with the characters and plot. It started off good with Seth getting punished and rolling around like a piece of shit, but as soon as Horus gets into the picture it's all a bunch of shallow jokes, interactions and hamfisted "progress". Speaking of Horus I hate how the fans treat him like the sad poor boy that can do no wrong but he's really a clingy selfish bitch with zero balls. He sneaks Seth, the female genocider, into a secret safe place for women and tricks their leader into curing him (the leader's daughter got impaled by Seth's men) all because he wants to fuck his ass. He has no balls to tell his mom he doesn't want to marry but gets mad when Seth tells him to sort that shit out and go do his job kek.
Anubis is the one character together with Isis that had a pretty well done character development, in a way he's what Horus should have been like. Too bad Mojito makes him sleep 80% of the time and has turned him into a retard. Still in S2 his character still progresses a lot more than the others even if he doesn't appear a lot.
Also the art is kinda ugly now. Seth looked a lot better at the start of S2 especially with his expressions and hair. Now the author just draws an undefined blob for his hair and he always has the same expression. And they look too much like fridges.
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>>2590753I like taller burlier uke, but thinking about it I also like het ships where the woman would be considered to be in the "seme" role.
I just like weak men tbh, and bl doesnt have the annoying "femdom but then actually wow reverse, now the guy is on top" trope.
tbh I wouldn't complain if there was riba in Ennead either lol, but I'm not going to complain that it isn't there or expect it. No. 2590791
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>>2590671Not really fair to use an art drawn by a they/them and screech at the transphobic lc fujos about how their tastes are allegedly exactly the same, even though lc fujos frequently shit on gendie art for being cringe and/or unappealing like
>>2590745 nonnie said. 98% gendies either commit crimes against color theory or fuck up the concepts of sexual diamorphism, they will frequently just draw a woman and call it a man or vice versa.
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>>2590788(Ayrt) I love emotionally strong and assertive (both in their overall dynamics and in sex) mcs in het stories myself! I just don't want her to tower over the guy, kek. I still enjoy stories like lovely complex but I won't be interested in seeing them have sex, lol. On the other hands I would go insane if beware the villainess (picrel) ever dropped a smut extra, lol.
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>>2590671related, all the "he has a dick and balls/I like seeing feminine guys" arguments disappear when fujos to decide who's the bottom
No. 2590902
>>2590759Seth isn't any better imo. He still went along with the woman temple thing and chimped the fuck out for no reason. He's still an
abusive piece of shit that appears to appreciate humans but really he's still an ass. He hasn't really learned a damned thing and just wants to go back to play house with his wife again. All he does is cry and pass out. S2 is bad and Zeus is a good reason for it because so much focus went to him and the sole reason he exists is to cockblock the plot or characters from progressing. He's a literal wrench in the clogs. And mojito expects us to think he gives a shit about his siblings? She didn't even develop him. Yes we're going to pity the monkey man that will go back and rape two of his sisters and fuck over his other brothers. So kind and caring.
No. 2590914
>>2590883Nta but shit you're right lol. I thought they were essentially self inserting their own vagina, but it makes sense if they're repressed bisexuals on top of that.
>>2590831MTE KEK. The one who thinks men can contribute to yuri and that lesbians will not only be grateful about it, but will also want to read it too. Fucking retard.
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>>2590671I really wonder if they really believe moids look like this
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>>2591032george was always the feminized dsmp member and this is how a large section of the fandom genuinely views him
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>>2590688How dare you Slade is not a fat old man, he's just an old man.
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>>2591085Very similar to RM from BTS, he was objectively the ugliest member and so fans resorted to making the "dom daddy" in most pairings
No. 2591119
>>2591043Wasn't there a huge chunk of his fangirls who tried to "defend" him from some lady who said he raped her because he's such an uwu soft boy? This shit happened like years ago though, i might be mistaking him for a different retard. I wonder what these people think of RPF/shipping, especially today when seeing porn of yourself is as easy as searching a phrase or two on xitter.
>>2591094I'll never understand why so many girls thirsted after them when they were still relevant. Not in a racebait-y way but all of the bts fags are hideous even after rounds and rounds of plastic surgery.
No. 2591135
>>2591119We’re going to get kpoopy redtexted for this but when my sister tried to get me into them the only fuckable or memorable member to me was Taehyung
hes hotter after the military, and goooooooooood I love his blond era. I love how much of a little slut he is, The rest of them (Jungkook I guess I could excuse being attracted to, just isn’t my type) barely are attractive enough to be the waiters of Benihanas, Namjoon and Hobi would be forced to be linecooks. These are the faces of anonymous sex offense perpetrators, how does nearly every woman on earth’s OVARY EXPLOOD enough to spend thousands of dollars on albums for pieces of plastic with shooped selfies and write furry rape fanfic of them
latter is EXTREMLY based however No. 2591140
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>>2591135>Taehyung He looks like he's the only one letting himself age naturally instead of forcing himself to stay 20 through botox and surgeries.
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>>2590576>>2590600>Seth had better chemistry with Nepthys.There are so many other goddamn mangas you could read if you wanted to watch a guy fuck his sister.
>Forced and rushedIt took them like 140 chapters just to actually kiss. I feel like I'm being gaslit right now.
>Ennead would have worked better if it was not BLThis is like going to a sushi restaurant and being mad that chicken nuggets aren't on the menu.
>>2590451I liked Egyptian mythology long before this kek. AoM got me into that shit when I was like nine.
>>2590453Please no spoilers I'm a poorfag and I don't have access to the newest chapter yet
>>2590616Kind of a digression, but can I just ask: is rape justifiable if it's self-defense, like a rape-or-be-raped situation? Because
Horace only rapes Seth during the trials because Seth tried to rape him first.Anyway, I agree that Ennead is flawed, a lot of its detractors just seem upset that the story isn't as generic or formulaic as they want it to be. Honestly the think I dislike the most about Ennead is the retarded love triangle with Foreign God, specifically because it's the most generic, cliche thing about the comic. Also I find Foreign God incredibly annoying and unfunny personality-wise.
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>>2591189I'm going to send my flying purple hippo to your base to shower you with kisses
No. 2591210
>>2590759>Zeus could disappear from the plot and it would stay the same, actually it would be better.Agreed. He's the Jar Jar Binks of Ennead.
I've fucked up trying to post this three times. Kms>>2591204>I find it so funny that no one likes Zeus.He doesn't even fucking belong there! It feels like he's literally just in the story to get in the way, be annoying, and rape people out of nowhere. Which I guess is also what he does in his own mythology kek
No. 2591225
>>2591119>2014 fangirl lore mode activateIt's because they produced their own music at the time in a no-name company so they stood out as underdogs compared to all the big name companies.
Rapmon, Suga, and J-hope were the core 3 who invented BTS and the main producers, so even though RM and JH look like frogs the 3 of them were the actual brains of the group and already partook in underground rap subcultures in Hongdae or whatever so they actually had experience producing their own music and freestyling in front of crowds in competition with other rappers years before debut, so they weren't just going to step down from performing just because they looked ugly. It was their company (Big hit) who pushed them into an idol group when it was originally a rap quartet — there was a 4th guy but he had chronic insomnia so stepped down — and after BTS's first idol album came out Rapmon actually showed it to his rap friends and they laughed and called him a sellout kek. Also there was drama from established rappers because idols are considered lesser, and so these (older and WAY less popular!!1!) rappers did not support BTS, which turned BTS into martyrs to their fans kek.
Anyway Jimin and JK were established as dancers because all idol groups need dancers, and V and Jin were the main vocalists and "visuals" because all idol groups need models for product promotion and attracting fans. Sorted. Overall, promotions were going steady but they were mostly only known outside of Korea because idol groups in general were considered kind of lame and for kids in Korea, luckily Rapmon knew English so he made international promotions a lot easier because he could talk with fans which meant more fans could connect with their favourite idol. Wow! Then 1D split and all the 1D fans flocked to BTS. It was mostly good timing. Unfortunately those fans brought their retarded fanfic tropes along with them and daddy dom retardation was one of them.
Anyway in general the Korean entertainment industry will force its celebs to get botox (even if it means in the back of a van) but the thing is is that the body may react badly (especially if its cheap botox). Jimin looked the most frog-like because he had a bad reaction to it to the point of his face looking bloated, so he became dysmorphic and an ana-kun, but then got popular because of his abs but he was still considered a butterface. Even early on (2014-2015 time) if you were a fan and claimed to be attracted to RM you were side-eyed for lying and assumed to just be saying it for attention kek.
Thanks for reading I will gladly accept my no kpop ban.
(no kpop) No. 2591232
>>2591222Tbf look at China now, they're straight up arresting women.
Fujos are always going to be on thin ice because they're not interested in fucking men and are instead drawing men together, it's not just seething yume that want fujo gone entirely, if bl can be censored using any method it will be censored. It only gets by because of anticensorship (which yeah, sadly the lolicons want that too. For themselves and not fujo, but sadly anticensorship uncensors both) and profit.
No. 2591237
>>2591119>I'll never understand why so many girls thirsted after them when they were still relevant.It's because of psychological data-marketing based on mental health using cult-like tactics.
Yes im serious, when they went viral is when they relied on mental health marketing and traumabaiting the most.
just a example
>BigHit Entertainment made a survey for BTS fans to answer. The first questions were ok but the last part seem to be personal. Some people say that BigHit is profiting over fans' mental health issues by releasing BTS' Love Yourself series. Opinions? No. 2591255
>>2591227>>2591222People have brought this up many times before. Fujos aren't a hivemind, and there's been LOTS of discussion on both sides of this debate concerning the differences between Western and Eastern fujos.
>>2591235I think they're subscribing to the slippery slop fallacy. They erroneously think that banning loli is a "gateway drug" to totalitarian crackdown on all NSFW content. Personally? I find loli evil and repulsive, but I also think art should only be a crime if a child (or anyone for that matter) was exploited in the making of it. This is one of those things we need to combat with cultural shame, not the law. Shame needs to be brought back in a big way, both in Japan and the West. I want to live in a world where people are too
ashamed to put up giant tiddy billboards in the middle of Tokyo, or wear gimp suits in public at pride parades. The healthy reaction to pornified shit in a public place should be disgust and ridicule.
No. 2591268
>>2591255Samefag, I just realized I wrote
>slippery slop fallacyOn accident lmao
No. 2591274
>>2591260Sure and China is just going after the bad porn.
Do you really think that's how things would really work?
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>>2591274I absolutely hate the precedent in East Asia for lobbying against the freedom and livelihoods of female artists, but I can’t act like I actually care that Danmei itself as a genre might cease production, it’s the most boring shit imaginable to me. I only see damei that look like clones of heaven’s official blessing, and hof already bored me out of my mind and I find nothing appealing about it. I truly don’t see how westerners who have plenty of BL options from different countries (were absolutely spoiled now that thailand is producing glorified pornos with fleshfaggots) are getting into danmei, screams major yellow fever to me, so many husbandofags would spend thousands of hours and dollars obsessing over and building shrines to Bhutanese stoning
victims because they’re Asian. Though for nonnies who are into Danmei, what got you into it? Is there a specific reason you prefer it over the BL from Japan, Korea, etc?
No. 2591305
>>2590506I agree with most of your criticisms but
>fucked while high off fertility magicis a cope, because if the temple were the only reason they'd had sex, then he would've fucked the magic ghost lady in there, too. Also I think Seth rejecting Horus has more to do with his own insecurities than it does an actual lack of interest. He's so troubled by all the shit he's done and been through that he assumes Horus' affectionate gestures are due to pity, or Horus underestimating his strength. And also as other anons have pointed out, he feels guilty about cheating on his wife.
Seth could have actually worked through some of these personal problems, but instead Mojito wasted a bunch of time dicking around with Foreign God and all of his nonsense. The bit where Seth is sick and runs away only to get sold into slavery is particularly aggravating. It completely interrupts the story progression seemingly just so we can have another series of gratuitous
rape scenes. Plus why the hell would Seth tolerate Foreign God hanging around after that? The story would have made more sense if
none of that happened, and instead Foreign God just showed up at the temple with the caravan while Horus and the blind lady were caring for Seth.
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>>2591299Samefag but I’m also curious about how prevalent Husbando Sex tourism to Korea, Japan etc. is statistically, it’d be a pretty funny reversal on how East Asian moids pillage SEA as one of the most common demographics of Johns. I’m curious especially if the recent popularity of kpoop and slash for shounen slop in third world countries like India and Mexico inspires some Stacys to take the pilgrimage to oppar-paradise.
No. 2591316
>>2591299I like danmei, though I also like bl in general, Korean and Japanese too (I havent gotten around to reading other types lol)
Personally, I like the dark and twisted but still really silly kinda humor, the stories are interesting but aren't too long and I like how crass some of plots can get despite how censored to eloquency the characters are, I actually like the cultivation and political fuckery. That sort of evil zombies taking over the world, I eat that shit up.
Tbh I might just be easily satisfied, I even gobble up isekai (nonbl ones included) novels and stuff like ORV too which I feel like would filter most with the amount of time spent spell casting and setting up meta lovecraftian book shit.
No. 2591332
>>2591299HOB is the most boring of MXTX's work imo. I like danmei for its varied genres and subject matter which I find more expansive than JP gen anime (excluding gen manga). It basically tackles everything under the sun (with some exceptions e.g. modern politics) and adds BL romance to it. I think most westerners find danmei appealing for the historical/cultural aspects, especially the cultivation and court drama/political intrigue stories which are not as frequently explored in JP and KR BL.
I enjoy JP BL manga but most of the recent published work is just rehashing of old tropes and cliches. There are so many great artists but they aren't that great as storytellers, and as someone who values a great story over great aesthetics it loses out to danmei in that aspect.
KR manhwa is fun (I love melodramatic soap dramas) and I see it as the fast food/fast fashion equivalent of BL. There's a lot of slop published, but even some of the slop is so bad that it's good. On the plus side you can see the stories to the end within a year or two.
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>>2591222Because it was an all or nothing law, retard. That's like wanting to make a law that bans only hentai for moids, sounds amazing in paper but no law makers is going to make an excuse for women despite not raping or hurting men in any way because most law makers are moids. China has porn outlawed but Azur lane makes bajizillion dollars despite having characters like this while danmei authors are arrested for drawing yaoi. Korea also has anti pornography laws but they made Azur Lane. You seem to think a law would stop moids when even banning all pornography like in china and korea doesnt stop them from raping.
No. 2591362
>>2591355if they managed to pass a law in the west that banned
all pornography men
and pickmes would make sure images of women being raped still classified as "high art" so only art that sexualizes men would be affected by their law
No. 2591473
>>2591467so you'd rather be okay with men drawing all those fucked up toddler art as long as that means you are able to 16 year old doujins?
Wow, so that other anon was right that fujos are on lolicons side.
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>>2590374Late but omg there's a yuri version
No. 2591479
>>2591473wow so you side with the Japanese law makers? who are mostly male? probably men who have assault women or were creeps? so lc antifujos are on the side of old Japanese creeps?
thats what you sound like.
No. 2591496
>>2591473>>2591483Nta but you're the one who should just take the L tbh.
The moment it was pointed out how these laws go you lost
>inb4 slippery slope fallacyIt's not a slippery slope if it's clearly happening right now in another country.
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>>2591511No you don't understand anon, one day we will experience the Dimensional Merge prophesied by CWC and every anons' husbando will reach out of the drawing Take On Me style. Then we fujos will be the fools, because the objects of our desire will be too busy banging each other to embrace us. We must all prepare for the coming Dimensional Merge by only viewing solo porn of the guys we like, lest our 2D husbandos cuckold us with other 2D characters after we've become 2D ourselves.
No. 2591527
>>2591524Lolicon shit started as a way to drive fujos away, by being an anti youre siding with them too.
Or maybe, just maybe, two seperate groups can be forced to agree on one thing while also hating each other.
No. 2591536
>>2591524my siding? with
lolicons??
Japanese fujos sided with their own self-interests and have nothing to be ashamed of
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>>2591473>>2591467Think for a minute about picrel.
He is 17.
No. 2591719
>>2590902Yeah but at least Seth is getting raped left and right for it. There is some sort of progress from the start of S2 in terms of his character. I agree though that the progress sucks because now he's just a damsel in distress. Mojito's attempt to make readers empathise with Zeus now is fucking pathetic.
>>2591305I didn't mean to say that the only reason Seth fucked Horus is because of the fertility magic, just that the author used it to speed their relationship up in an unnatural way because she couldn't do it normally (she preferred to show faggot god instead you know). It all felt hamfisted in and I'm not the only one that felt that way.
>>2591146It's forced and rushed because the author didn't use those 140 chapters to peoperly lead up to them kissing and fucking. You know full well she used them to shove FG in and have Seth be gangraped by random ugly men. And when Horus appears there's either FG or Anubis or plot that take away the attention. It's like the author wants me to think that Horuseth is shallow or something.
No. 2591850
>>2591719I still like Horus a lot regardless of what's been happening. The issue the author being disrespectful to her own character. It almost feels like she regrets making him the LI, but we all know it would be career suicide if she changed the ship. It's really not his fault that mojito has been cockblocking him into having an actual believable relationship with Seth when she thinks adding XD humor and Zeus and Anubis unnecessarily into the mix. Also she made Seth a very unreasonable and very het guy. No amount of "bisexual" will change how he seems more pussy attracted. S1 she seemed like a genius but S2 is just trash all over.
And no one fucking likes Zeus. His fans are some of the most insipid, most illiterate people you'll ever meet. Only retards like him
No. 2591913
>>2591719>>2591850Look, I think a lot of these criticisms are fair. But I just don't think the plot going off the rails in a few places means that their relationship is "rushed" or that Seth is "clearly" straight. Those are the exact same arguments scrotes use
whenever a gay ship is made canon in non-BL media. The relationship between the characters isn't going to work out until Horus learns some self-respect and Seth works through all of his guilt and trauma. I think those two arcs are the core of the story even though Mojito often seems to get distracted by other things. I think we're generally in agreement that more character development has to happen before the characters can "work" as a couple. But in my opinion, that's just the natural trajectory of the story, and not some kind of "proof" the characters are forever incompatible.
I think maybe you guys are too accustomed to stories where the characters gradually fall in love, kiss, fuck, and then live happily ever after. But there do exist stories where characters try to pursue a relationship, it doesn't work out, and then they get back together later in the story after they've completed their arcs. Louis and Lestat in the Vampire Chronicles books would be an example of that. And honestly? When it's done right, it can be way more compelling than a more "straightforward" romance with less conflict. I'm not saying its being done right in Ennead, because as we've established there are a lot of dumb digressions, but I'm still willing to wait it out and see what happens.
No. 2591980
>>2591933while i wouldnt make the assertion that hetshipper=antifujo (so i dont want to speculate on hetshippers as a whole) from everything antifujos have said in this thread they actually would prefer to ship an
abusive heterosexual couple over an
abusive m/m couple because at least it would be a woman being directly abused and not a male, who is a female surrogate in their mind. they view abuse of women as natural, and any abuse of a male as the writer/readers secret desire to see women being abused.
No. 2592232
>>2591933There is a specific brand of hetshipper that revels in their ship being "
problematic" (only if the man is the unhealthy one of course) yet constantly tries to call out fujos for being "hypocritical" for enjoying male abuse but not female abuse. Meanwhile these hetshippers will call their content feminist for "exploring dark themes in female sexuality" yet the only theme encouraged to be explored is female abuse.
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>>2590685>>2590688>children>NightwingDick Grayson didn't become Nightwing until he was a grown-ass man though
No. 2592366
>>2592259>>2592283It’s never going to stop unless women in the Western fandom stop trying to prove their taste is the most righteous and feminist of them all. Specifically in western fandoms, because from what I know, this stupid shit is only really prevalent here. Some anons even do it here. I’ve said it before: it’s just back-and-forth policing over what others like, based on what they deem “un-feminist.” I personally don’t care if women enjoy BL, GL, hetships,
toxic maledom smut, or femdom, but some anons clearly care way too much about what others are into.
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>>2592366>>2592371Agree. We are our own worst enemies sometimes. I don't view whatever things I happen to enjoy as morally superior to shit I dislike. For instance, I'm repulsed and annoyed by furries, but I'm not going to pretend my cartoon porn is somehow more ethical than their cartoon porn. I just don't share their taste and find them kinda cringe, but they're free to do what they want.
No. 2592491
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>>2592476>I just don't share their taste and find them kinda cringe, but they're free to do what they want.That's how I feel about it too.
What annoys me more is the weird attitude where if you don't enjoy something that is the norm, you're a puritan, prude, pickme, etc. Stop finding ways to moralize this shit already.
No. 2592529
>>2591311Not an immigration officer in either of the three, but it heavily depends on your definition of husbando sex tourism. Like, would an Indonesian
kpoop fangirl going to SK so she can molest random DJs and hongdae fuckboys count as sex tourism? If we include SEA and China stacys then korea would probably be #1 tbh. China has literally no cultural export outside of shooped xhs thirst traps, vidya or labubu (kek), and Japan still has a lot of normie tourist appeal. Most of the people you see are just regular tourists, even in the major cities. You'll rarely see a Lorena/Venus/Himezawa/Gaya or any other old school /snow/ type visa gaijin waifus, or at least the types of women who WOULD be a japan cow 10 years ago prefer to go the Dania route and visit for vacay just to pump and dump rando hosts/ugly band guys. I heavily doubt the actual statistics are higher maybe 25% for all female tourism combined, I thankfully have no ties to SK so I don't have any personal anecdotes but I imagine their numbers are insanely high. Kinda funny considering how psychotic korean men are, I guess yellow fever is one hell of a drug.
Slightly OT but I love the recent resurgence in vintage Venus milk, it's so fun to talk about her weeb days No. 2592580
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>>2592259>You don't see men arguing that other men should not like lesbianporn.You do see that though.
No. 2594175
>>2592259I got pummeled on the other farms because being a fujo is unfemanist since "youre self inserting into a male"
Wtf I'm not self inserting at all… I cant even read y/n fics cause putting myself in the universe feels weird.
I kind of suspect theres a certain narcissism at play where you have to visualize yourself in the story in some way, but also demand everyone else do that. I dont really understand why else someone would care if other women read about gay guys.
No. 2595492
>>2591299>Though for nonnies who are into Danmei, what got you into it? Is there a specific reason you prefer it over the BL from Japan, Korea, etc?I just don't care about comics or fanfics and want an original story, preferably without vomit-unducing tumblr-flavor writing and with a semblance of plot, and danmei fills that need. I was a really sad fujo before discovering it.
It's awesome danmei exists if you're like me, although I don't know how much you can really explore it if you don't know Chinese, I feel like they only translate some dogshit popular among 14 year olds like hof kek
No. 2595690
>>2595674>defending them from ebil fujos.i doubt moids are getting
triggered from fag porn considering how much gay memes are popular like gachamuchi and fem(pedo)boy shit ,tbh it sounds like a cope from fujoshis
No. 2595699
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>>2595679That post where she got mad about Zoisite from sailor moon being gay will never not be funny to me
As if Zoisite isn’t one of the most stereotypically gay looking characters out there kek.
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>>2595699Also just to piss off YWNBAW chan, Mamoru should have gotten with that gay alien from the movie and prince Demande should have fucked his little brother.
No. 2595707
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>>2595698Never forget about the final boss of kiwitards pickmes that was permabanned for sperging about null allowing a man hate thread on kiwifarms.
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>>2595712she's perlythings levels of ugly i almost feel sorry for her because she was always sperging about ''ugly tumblr landwhales'' complaining about coomshit in videogames yet she's incredibly ugly looking, just with opposite politics. Something about ugly people bullying others for their looks always gives me a chuckle.
No. 2595717
>>2595712i mean both
are the same side of being chronically online
No. 2595720
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>straight women love straight shit
Then why is most of AO3's top 100 gay ships kek
>It's unhealthy for a straight woman to like gay male sex, it's a sign of her outlooks on her object of attraction and her own sex being warped.
This is so schizo my fucking sides, part of me almost thinks she has a fujo side deep down and that's why she's so intense about hating it.
No. 2595739
>>2595733Yeah, yuri is usually considered "pure" and yaoi "rotten" hence fujoshi=rotten women.
It's not like it's rare for bl to get into the dirtier one night stands/grindr aspects of romance either, its annoying when people act like bl is all just Sasaki and Miyano.
No. 2595760
>>2595748I mean I guess they're not wrong there kek (and I say this as a fujo)
>>2595750>But is she even a yurifag?No she likes het that's focused on the woman with the man as her accessory.
No. 2595768
>>2595752thought so. I just hoped she was one because better than whatever hypocritical mess that is.
>>2595760kek, I'm really into fictional femdom but politicizing it is so weird to me.
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>>2595775She's unintentionally really funny
No. 2595784
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>>2595780I think the main people claiming yuri is somehow more "realistic" than yaoi are pick me gendies, I don't think moids give a shit outside of it playing into their "women are the real degenerates" larp.
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Nothing says feminism like getting arrested by the CCP for not pumping out enough kids amirite ladies.
No. 2595794
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>>2595720>the fact to you female characters being loved by men is self inserting says a lotreally ironic coming from the person that thinks women cant like yaoi without selfinserting. I wonder what hetships she likes. The original poster didn't even say that, she was criticizing her assumption that fujos self insert not that hetshippers are self inserters. Literally projecting. The best shoujos always have yaoibait because the authors are based and want to give the reader the peak fanservice experience.
No. 2595797
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>>2595794I think she likes Ahiru with Fakir or Mytho because her schizo ass thinks it's NTRing Fakir and Mytho (even though that never happens in the anime…)
I hate that she likes one of my favorite anime kek.
No. 2595814
>>2595690Nona please consider the term Fujoshi and its origins. Originally, fujoshi present in fandoms in early y2k internet were loathed as public enemy number one, prior to the gendy crisis, because they "ruined" everything by seeing it as gay. This kneejerk response from moids is very much still present. Go into any male dominant space and say
>Ok but what if X and Y made outand you will, I shit you not, receive death threats. It is funny as hell.
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>>2595810I like that she put a
trigger warning for gayshit in anime she likes but didnt mention the samurai x guy being a pedo or hell girl having tons of loli fanservice. Does she really consider herself a feminist or is she one of those irony poisoned kiwitard pickmes?
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>>2595813
It's half genuine homophobia half believing that women do this as a humiliation ritual against them personally.
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>>2595797>BleachI bet she doesn't even ship ichiruki. I bet she ships that shit ichihime.
No. 2595821
>>2595818ayrt
Exactly. Men hate fujos and I think their seething is amusing. Less a cope from fujos and more of us acknowledging that our 2D interests lives rent free in moid brains as some form of threat.
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>>2595824It's called reverse ryona,
nonny No. 2595844
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>>2595816Even if this were true, what's wrong with women being sadists?
No. 2595847
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>>2595844It hurts his fee fees
>>2595838Okane ga nai.
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>>2595824I won't deny it.
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>>2595824Me. BUT I'm also a yume into that, 2D men are so cute when they're hurt in general. I don't care if that's considered "edgy" or whatever.
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>>2595838Korean webtoon uke
No. 2595867
>>2595824Teehee me
>>2595838KEK all I can think of are korean webtoons where all the editors are in competition with each other to produce the best selling manhwa so they will do whatever it takes to stand out. It creates some interesting variation I will admit, however sometimes it just creates the seme equivalent of a barbirusa boar where the dick is so big it kills the mood because it's unrealistic kek.
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>>2595797So basically women exploring their sexuality through media made by women for women is antifeminist and self hating and women should only explore their sexuality through moid power fantasy shonen slop with female characters that look like this? very feminist indeed. It's always the same with antifujos, they shit on the rare medium that's dominated and targetted to women and praise disgusting moid slop.
No. 2595902
>>2595887>bautiful men with beautiful women just as god intendedthat phrase makes me believe she's one of those fauxbisexual with pornbrainrot due to the normalization of female sexualization. Any 'straight' woman who claims to like sexualized women is completly brainwashed by men and porn. No wonder she's pissed at women who enjoy their sexuality without the inclusion of male approval.
>>2595897That's not based that's just being a bimbo.
No. 2595912
>>2595903Yaoi:
>gay sex (gross)>women like it (they should be bullied)>some stuff seems cool outside the gay bit and that's really annoying (let me invade)>a lot of fujoshi are really fucking retarded (tbf this is true)Yuri
>lesbian sex (not real)>cute girls are cute when they do cute things (easy to watch)>Yuri is everwhere (can't really avoid it)>yurifags gave the moral highground (minority status) No. 2595915
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>>2595903Female sexualization is accepted and seen as ''artistic'' and pure, while male sexualization is seen as dirty and porny. It's why that kiwifag pickme has no problem by Kube Tito drawing big titty monsters for his male audience to jack off too but the microsecond a guy is sexualized for the female viewer she throws a tantrum. I hate fauxbisexuals so much, they are the final boss of pickmes, the kind that allowed pedophiles like David Hamilton to get away with publishing legal pornography under the guise of ''art''.
No. 2595924
>>2595917>it gets blamed for causing the troon epidemic by some uneducated radfems unfairly, when imo it's the fault of ftm influencers like Jammy Dodger and Buck Angel who even let them know trooning out was a thingkek
nonny dumb middle schoolers aren't even learning about those people they're watching shit like My Hero Academia and Ouran before accidentally googling a bunch of mpreg and titchop fanart
No. 2595940
>>2595903Yaoi is the main nerdy thing women are into, it’s basically in the same zone as people putting ‘white’ in front of women to spew a bunch of misogynistic shit
Yuri comparatively isn’t that popular with men
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>>2595961Most waifushit still has yuribait. So i dont know whats your point, you can look at any harembait shit and you will find at least one yuribait scene.
No. 2595977
>>2595940I think even if yuri isn't as popular with men, it is definitely a lot more normalized in content in comparison to how yaoi is treated.
I guess it's the difference between yuri being a medium sized fish in a large pond and yaoi being a slightly large fish in a small pond. Yuri is still way more "popular" in that its everywhere and has a much lower standard to what counts as "yuri" (insert that yuri is in the grass quote here).
Meanwhile yaoi is treated as more controversial, with creators even going as far as denying something has any fujobait because they don't want their work to be connected to bl.
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Tbh it's hard to say yaoi is even popular with women since antis are pretty loud and it's pretty much been shot down at most opportunities it has had.
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>>2595998Nta but for a second I felt you were being a little extreme but then I remembered this actually happened to me the other day with Necronomico Cosmic Show.
No. 2596014
>>2596007Basically, check the anichart for any given season and you'll usually find a lot more yuribait/yuri shows/yuri couples than there are bl.
This season alone has a few, while when it comes to bl one doesn't want to be connected to the word bl and the other is vague bait.
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>>2596022Yeah it is kinda strange that most yuri fans like the same 15 ships (at least in western fandom) while seeing two unrelated fujos with the same OTP is pretty rare.
No. 2596046
>>2596044Depends on who you ask. Depends on the media. Depends on the dynamic. There is entirely too many variables. Nobody cares about it definitely, but I am telling you, the people that ship the characters and draw or commission the characters doing things to each other to anydegree, get no flack. And it's
commonplace.
No. 2596055
>>2596046In rare circumstances I could see it happening, same with yaoi ships where it's just a one off gay joke in the anime (ie: Maou sama) but it's definitely not the norm.
Most yuri fans are into the same 15 heavily implied/full on canon ships while fujos have way more variety in taste.
It's true that in western cartoons lesbian ships are more likely to be canon but those are in no way that huge fandom wise.
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So what I'm getting is that its like a pyramid where yaoi is at the bottom while yuri is more able to float to the top?
No. 2596102
>>2595826Despite average lc user being edgy I suspect that it's way less than half. Every time there is a discussion about ryona a good portion of the posts seem to have suspiciously similar wording and I've seen convos immediately come to a halt the moment a spergy anon gets banned, even though she was
allegedly speaking to multiple people. The discussions on the fujo thread also gives me the impression that many of them also might just flex liking it in a performative 2edgy4u manner, the most thriving convos seem to be between nonnies who are more autistic about some specific trope or hot male bodies in general.
No. 2596119
>>2595989nta but brokeback mountain was originally written by a women. what are you even arguing against? you keep being up porn but the point being made is about actual pairing investment which is of course still female dominated because the romance genre and shipping in general is female dominated. it’s like
>>2596084 said where what’s acceptable (because it’s easy to ignore) isn’t necessarily what has more diehard fans.
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>>2596102>many of them also might just flex liking it in a performative 2edgy4u mannerI had this feeling too, you can tell from how they talk about it. No attraction at all. I've seen it discussed more authentically in threads like the husbando hornyposting thread.
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>>2595841>korean semes with the stanley cup shaped dicksAny Korean nonas willing to write a BL hockey manhwa??? Please and thank you
No. 2596786
>>2595736>>2595739>>2595748>when male yurifags call yuri "purer" than het or BLIt's incredibly chauvinistic, and obviously derived from misogynistic ideas of female purity. Moids don't see lesbians as having their own sexual agency and desires, they see them as pure eternal virgins putting on displays for male enjoyment. I rarely see fujos using the same type of rhetoric to describe yaoi.
>>2595752>She just wants cute straight men for herselfBut they're not real? She's not going to "have them" for herself regardless of who they're drawn fucking. I will understand never why het shippers, employ this line of reasoning. If your husbando is putting his dick in a female character, that character still isn't
you, it's another drawing. You're being "cucked" regardless of whether the drawing he's fucking is male or female. By this logic, only solo and POV stuff would be not "cucked."
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I feel like as long as she posts we'll never run out of material
No. 2596914
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>they see them as pure eternal virgins putting on displays for male enjoyment
Eh, this is true even for yuri meant for women (pic rel) it just comes with the way the genre is set up.
No. 2596948
>>2596924femboy and trap are the same thing
nonny, the latter is just forgotten because it
triggers trannoids.
No. 2596962
>>2596954nta but that’s obviously that’s a joke
>>2596750so this is why hockey is so popular with m/m novelists
No. 2596986
>>2595903Yaoi absolutely dominates female-heavy fandoms in a way that cannot be compared to anything else. This inspires rage from men because fandoms are nerd spaces, and men still believe nerdy stuff is their domain, and so they see fujos as intruding on their sacred nerd haven. Especially because men are very sensitive to gay males in their media and treat anime men as aspirational badasses, so when they see a woman saying Bakugou takes it up the ass, they lose their shit. There are also plenty of female fans who don't like yaoi and are just fed up with its inescapability (and the assumption all female fans like it) and become resentful, but I don't think this is the core driver of yaoi seethe. Yuri, on the other hand, is unpopular with women, but it also doesn't really offend women as much as yaoi offends men. So there's no one to really get mad at yuri. It is also exceedingly niche despite it being popular to canonize F/F ships. Just look at the femslash ships that are actually popular with women and you'll realize none of them are from Japanese media (with the singular exception of MadoHomu) because anime yuri is so sterile and bland it inspires no love, much less rage. Basically, yaoi makes people seethe because it is popular and seen as threateningly unavoidable to people who dislike it. This is not the case with yuri because it is just not popular enough to threaten anyone.
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>>2596986>so when they see a woman saying Bakugou takes it up the ass, they lose their shitWould they be okay with Bakugou dicking down Deku then?
>Just look at the femslash ships that are actually popular with women and you'll realize none of them are from Japanese mediaAre we counting 3DPD or no
If no then I think the ONLY yuri ship popular with women is Madohomu.
No. 2597001
>>2596986nta and this is almost a non sequitur, ironically the fact that men hate yaoi seems to be a sore spot for antifujos ive noticed. they usually respond with some manner of "you
wish yaoi made men seeth!" like there isnt plenty of evidence. i think the fact that men hate yaoi is frequently misinterpreted by antifujos as fujos claiming their cartoon porn is more "feminist" when its just pointing out men are too fragile to see their straight male characters do homo shit
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I don't think this necessarily comes from antifujos specifically, but I don't understand the expectation that fujos have to be "fair" about what content they tolerate or enjoy.
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>>2597022>admitted to reading DJ of his seriesI'm not a Jojo fan but the most popular ship was kind of a bizarre choice to me, everyone who's into it says they barely interact kek.
No. 2597802
>>2596962>so this is why hockey is so popular with m/m novelistsHave you
seen the average hockey player's butt???
No. 2598382
>>2596947nta And clearly any lesbians who date taller women with short hair are straight deep down inside, tits be damned. And while we're at it? If you date a man with long hair you are automatically a lesbian. Don't deny it. He can have a beard but so can a woman.
This is how you sound to me kek
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>fujo artist has NTR fantasy where they yume their husbando but secretly fuck with the top behind their back
>also imagines their husbando as a submissive cuntboy
why do some fujos even do this all this convoluted shit just to end up with what is essentially het porn?
if you want to see your husbando getting fucked at this point wouldn't it be easier to just go full fujo and not self insert?
ah and i never got the cuntboy shit too, what's the point of feminizing a male character (especially if they're masculine leaning) if they're going to be (biologically) female anyways? i thought the appeal of feminizing male characters was reversing their traditional masculinity, wouldn't making them cuntboys only feed into the female-submissive stereotype?
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one thing I've noticed about 99.9% of bl is that they never properly represent the "aesthetic" of gay men. Even the wokies who claim to want to portray "realistic" gay characters ultimately end up imitating heterosexual male characters. gay men aren't just men who have sex with men, they have a completely different aesthetic and culture. even the macho tops are incredibly flamboyant and raunchy and they're open about it. what's Interesting is some heterosexual women also find gay culture (like drag) appealing because it's unashamedly gaudy and tacky. but I've never seen a bl work that has even depicted a gay male aesthetic.
No. 2604854
>>2604846the men in BL do not act like IRL gay or heterosexual men tf are you talking about? the men in BL act like how women
wish men would act, theyre not realistic to any type of man
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>>2604846Here is a flamboyant somewhat muscled gay man who is recklessly promiscuous, wearing a croptop and holding a purse, who got ditched in a forest after giving a guy who picked him up at a gay bar a blowie in a car and called a faggot. Is that gay enough for you?
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>>2604846Because fujos aren’t the same as faghags
Normie faghag women are into stuff like drag shows while fujos just prefer regular crossdressing.
Fujo culture is a lot closer to that of male otaku culture ie:”character A is sooo moe” rather than depicting actual gay male culture.
Could be different for some slash and RPF shippers though.
No. 2605167
>>2605163Yeah I don’t like it either
Women don’t make “ANNNM! OSHII NA~” noises every time they take a bite of food but I don’t see nearly as many people complain about that
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I hate that fujoshit is so rampant in fandom. No, I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the ship.
No. 2606376
>>2606365>I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the shipAre they
actually saying that or are they just making inane comments like "[Character B]'s husband is so cute"? I know shippers can be annoying but most of the time you can literally just ignore it.
No. 2606413
>>2606365>I don't want to read about how an husbando looks better with dick up his ass by some ugly fag under the comments of posts that has nothing to do with the ship.Honestly, I agree with this. And I'm a huffer of BL. Sometimes I like my yume stuff, or even solo pictures of a character. But I had posted a male character that I was proud of and immediately was told
>I bet Character A could bend him over and show what a real man does with a sword.Or something to that effect. Like, shit man, I love watching dudes Do The Do but can we exercise some self control? kek
No. 2606431
>>2604846>they never properly represent the "aesthetic" of gay menIt's not meant to be realistic, and only retarded Westerners claim that BL is "representation." Everyone else understands that it's just a genre of fiction women write for other women. Harem manga/anime is even more unrealistic and misogynistic, but I don't see antifujos squawking about that.
Fags are not helpless little damsels that need women/TiFs to defend them, yet for some reason, it's very rare for them to complain about yaoi themselves. Why do you suppose women are more invested in this moral crusade than the actual people they purport to defend? All this shit is just a false moral pretext to bully and condescend to other women,
in defense of men no less.
And not that it matters anyway, but most gay men are
not super effeminate, and in fact flamers are unpopular among gay men despite their high visibility to normies. Grindr is full of men saying "no femmes" (and no, that doesn't refer to gender identity, it specifically means no flamers). The average gay guy might be a little more GNC than a straight guy, but few of them run around toting purses and wearing high heels.
No. 2606485
>>2606478>characters get drawn in maid outfits because there's a literal joke for May 10th sounding like "Maid Day"Doesn’t that prove my point then if fujos are putting out droves of fanart on maid day kek (plus I see a lot even when it’s not maid day)
I’m also including stuff like playboy bunny costumes, seifuku and wedding dresses that you see a lot of BL fanart of.
>BL thing being the most popular fetish for fujos no?I meant within BL spaces, obviously BL is the base fetish for female otaku.
No. 2607795
>>2595715Is that paladinboo's real face? What i am looking at
>>2595674>YWNBAM anonWait, she posts here? There was a long derail in Shondo's thread between her and Shondo's now banned oldfag that made me believe she's a farmer
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>>2608250>Also do you feel consooming media about anal sex makes you more or less likely to try receptive anal and/or pegging with a moid irl?What the fuck lmfao makes me glad i am not a 3DPDfag.
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thoughts?
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>>2609752The angsty drama kino i didnt know i wanted
No. 2609780
>>2609723Holy shit I can't
wait for the moid seething kek
No. 2609796
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>>2609787nta but why are you lying, there was a scrote that started a smear campaign against LADS purely out of seething moid hatred. He accused lads fans of raping some cosplayer scrote and everything.
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>>2609796lads isnt bl though,when has there been any amount of outrage against yaoi recently? i really think they dont give less of a fuck and its just delusion to convince yourself youre "owning" the moids by watching/reading two fags fuck.hell just be honest that youre into a fetish without making it some faux "feminist" thing when its not.
No. 2609825
>>2609810Ohhh you're right, sorry nona. I forgot that
>>2609723 was a serious documentary about the problems women face in society
No. 2609827
>>2609823Take a chill pill I'm
>>2609780 and I literally just want to see their bewildered reactions
No. 2609836
>>2609823Nta but tbh I have seen men bitch about The Summer Hikaru Died being gay and wishing it was a Song of Saya adaption instead.
Also a while ago a bl vn got popular, it got a lot of men complaining on how it was shovelware only popular because the LGBT community.
There was also the Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 kerfuffle.
No. 2609878
>>2609836>Wishing it was a Song of Saya adaptation insteadAre they absolutely fucking retarded? The story would be a million times shittier in a movie/TV show format (for a start, how would they adapt the multiple endings in a way that doesn't feel like a "muh multiverse" copout? Would they just adapt one and skip a bunch of content?) and they'd have to tone it down significantly if a
real child was on set. Song of Saya isn't high art or anything, but there are REASONS why visual novels can often go crazier with their writing than movies or TV shows. Stupid ass moids.
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>>2609823>she wasnt there when free was released and /a/ had a massive meltdown>she wasnt there when yoi outsold most animu and there was some scrote that tried to claim that the looney tunes dvd mogged the foojos>she wasnt there when blizzard made soldier 76 a fag>she wasnt there when the kingdome come made the main character a fag and moids had to resort to moralfagging to cope about itI can't imagine being so angry at fujos and yaoi you unironically defend rapeapes who throw chimpouts at the slightest thing. These facts really make you mad for some reason.
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>>2609960I honestly miss when moids would just say yaoi was faggy and gross, now they all try to claim yaoi is
triggering. I've read so many scrotes claiming yaoi is the same as their gross loli hentai just because they want women to be treated like them, even though women aren't treated like possible child diddlers because of objective statistics and not the porn they consume. Most moids nowadays could rival tumblr's strongest snowflake with how quick they are to jump to moralfagging.
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>>2609960Them trying to paint pic related as evil underage child porn was insane, especially since didn't it have het sex scenes beforehand?
No. 2609977
>>2609883>>2609888I am a sleep deprived retard who assumed they were seething about this
>>2609723 not being a Saya adaptation instead KEK
No. 2610006
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>>2609971Ugh these characters are fuggos in the game but the fanart is so kino it's not fair.
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>>2595824Made me think about how MDZS donghua pushes it into ryona territory and how much I really love violence and horror in my BL.
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>>2610011God damn what is it with these moids
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>>2610047(Nta)
Nonnie in arms we have the same pdf… ♥
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>>2610051It's a pretty interesting book. It makes me rage though, especially since lolicon moids love to talk about how women infiltrate and ruin all the ''boy's clubs'', meanwhile they infiltrated and ruined comiket with their garbage.
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I'm working on a BL project and sort of wish I were into Omegaverse. But I don't like MPreg or super hard-set roles. I recently learned about Sentinel/Guardian stuff, which seems it could be fun to play around with, though. Anyone familiar with it or have thoughts about it? pic unrelated
No. 2611722
>>2610383I hate when that happens! I'll look into those titles. I've been interested in the infinite flow genre, so I thought the concept of S/G would fit in with it, too.
>>2610852LOL spoiler is true. The concept of incubi could easily be worked into it. Turn blueballing/dickstupid into something only sex with other men could cure.