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Beware of /tttt/ourists, who have been shitting up the troon threads in /snow/ lately. Report and ignore anything you suspect is written by troons.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>To what degree does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real life ideologies and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying straight-with-extra steps shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2428892 No. 2523748
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After the Windbreaker debacle, I've started thinking about how despite the stereotype thrown around about bl, compared to yuri/het anime which do the "draw a girl, all it a boy" bl manga/fujobait tends to have the most masculine looking crossdressing characters.
No. 2523788
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>>2523780Fwiw, pic is a gay okama that identifies as male like the other anon said.
I just thought it was funny how there's an effort to make them look as male as possible compared to yuri/het which seemed to be unproblematic when they do the same thing, but with "draw a girl, call it a boy/gender ambiguous" characters.
No. 2524292
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>>2523748All I see when I look at that is Jack from Patalliro in a modern art style kek. I wonder how much it would rock anons' worlds to find out that drag kabuki has been like, a formal profession among straight guys in Japan for hundreds of years (it's called onnagata).
No. 2525200
>>2523748but this is clearly a male design, his facial structure is drawn more angular and he is taller to emphasize his masculinity, if this was bl he would be 5'0 tall and have no body mass and just be dainty
>>2524292the bl series where the uke ends up pregnant, not helping your case
No. 2525203
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this feels misogynistic
No. 2525220
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>>2525200>if it was a bl seriesLike pic related? Okama crossdressers in bl series are still on average shown more as male.
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>>2525220>>2525200A better benchmark would be to look at the most popular search for crossdressing+bl-genderswap and it seems to be about roughly even, with ultra-feminine borderline female ukes next to more typical looking males
No. 2525396
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>>2525385Checking the actual artstyles, I can't see this as anything but male.
No. 2525405
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>>2525396Here's another one compared to a harem protagonist crossdressing.
No. 2525446
>>2525203I will never not hate fujos who bring kids into the equation. Not an invested hate, but definitely a hatred leaning towards repulsion. I want to see two men bang each other or potentially have a relationship. Why do children have to be present?
I know it sounds like microwaved retardation but I still think it's a Japanese psyop to target BL fans with "if you project onto the uke, who takes care of the ship kids, you will be happy like them". Fuck outta here with that clownery.
No. 2525450
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>>2525446There’s just a lot of fujos with baby fever who want to see their OTP have kids, it’s not that deep.
No. 2525497
>>2525491>>2525493Think you're really overthinking a simple idea of "hehe baby version cute", it's not like they're going through the whole process.
It's like saying animal husbando forms are animal abuse because they draw feeding them human food and how dogs would be gross irl because they need to poop.
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>>2525493Unironically laughed
No. 2525513
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>>2525203>getoswombI find her autism fascinating, but it is because of shippers like her that I stopped engaging with satosugu content. Which sucks because their dynamic had so much potential but western shippers have completely flanderized it. I got into Phaidei recently and at first it started with “I want to get him pregnant” jokes which was fine. I find it corny but it did not particularly bother me. But now almost every joke and fanart on twitter is centered around how Mydei is a woman. I have seen actual essays on Mydei’s fertility symbolism. It is pure insanity.
I do not know when everything went so wrong. It was not like this a few years ago. I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR2, but there was never this bizarre obsession with giving him a cunt or drawing mpreg art of him or analyzing his femininity. With a lot of popular fujo ships in recent years, almost every other piece of fan content now revolves around pregnancy, motherhood, and writing thinkpieces about how the bottom is a woman.
No. 2525532
>>2525521I don't really care if you think everything is retarded or if you weren't involved in the conversation to begin with, it's still a lot more retarded to ovethink it with irl complications when it's just a gachapon.
Its like the autists overthinking kids shows, there was no reason to think about how babies shit themselves. It's a gacha you spend 300 yen on cuz it's cute.
No. 2525542
>>2525486It's not my thing, so this is purely speculative, but I know some people enjoy looking at baby pictures of their celebrity crushes (in a non-pedo way, to be clear) so maybe it's the same with otakus' favorite anime guys? You do often hear people saying stuff like "he's my son," "baby boy," and "protect him," about their favorite male characters, so I think there's just an overall desire to woobify and cutesify stuff they like. It's weird, but to call it pedophilia or misogyny is a bit of a reach imo.
I've said this before, but it annoys me that everyone online these days feels the need to cook up some moral justification for their opinions. Why can't people just say, "Eww, that's weird to me," and move on? You're allowed to hate things on a subjective level, you know. Not everything you hate has to be secretly pedophilic, racist, exist, etc.
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>>2525486They're just meant to be cute and a lot of people like infantilizing their favorite characters.
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>>2525513>I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR24koma manga started this actually
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I've just realised that my post is in the threadpic, aw yeeee
No. 2525578
>>2525571Would you rather have
>le evil mastermind Stewie Griffinbaby
No. 2525599
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>>2525571>>2525578It's not even a Japanese thing, pic related is fucking everywhere. Some people just like dumb shit sometimes.
No. 2525632
>>2525628I'm not anti-anime, but more anti mainstream anime, but it's all saturated with gross pedoscrote fantasies anyway. I don't hate fujos unless they're really annoying and retarded with a giant
victim complex.
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I'm not surprised this thread is over-analyzing baby chibis and saying they are a psyop or misogynistic when a large chunk of women simply find babies to be cute. It's the same vibe as Japanese women making cute custom plush dolls of characters.
Most anti-fujo stuff seems to just be psychoanalysis of things other women like to justify hate. I don't like bodice ripper novels or dark romance or lame het ships like raylo, but I don't care if a friend or relative likes that stuff.
No. 2525659
>>2525651Only one anon called it misogynistic, most anons are simply saying they're weird and ugly. This post is so ironic because it's ascribing politics to an opposing opinion and yet bemoaning the politics ascribed to
their opinion and preference… all while most anons with the opposing opinion were simply saying the figures were weird and dumb and nothing overly political in the first place. Women can also dislike things without attaching any sort of moralistic pearl clutching over it, some women just don't find anime scrotes as babies to be particularly appealing and it's fine to disagree and to spend your hard earned money on an ugly representation of a baby.
No. 2525665
>>2525654I liked
Baji but tbh I really just watched the show because the mc was a super retard.
No. 2525684
>>2525659AYRT I don't care if other women dislike anime babies and I don't like them either. I'm referring to
>>2525491 and
>>2525556 and the overall trend of overanalyzing things women like.
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>>2525692NTA but do you only watch jojos, fist of the north star and bersek? the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair save for seinen where they exaggerate the characters physique to be a power fantasy for scrotes.
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hairThey do this in case they wanna introduce a fujo love interest to get female fans.
No. 2525725
>>2525518I am convinced of this too. Many nu fujos and himes are just weird. All I see fujos on twitter talk about is wanting to get the male character they see as the bottom pregnant. And himes only talk about taking the strap or sucking it. They keep pushing straight dynamics into yaoi and yuri while simultaneously screeching about how queer they are. It is just frustrating.
>>2525570Kek of course, how could I forget this. It is crazy how despite the whole heroine Komaeda gag, no one was seriously writing essays about how he is a mtf tranny, even though Danganronpa had one of the most mentally ill fanbases at the time. Times really have changed.
>>2525602Sorry anon. Unfortunately jokes like this are pretty common in modern fanbases, and even though they're usually made by snowflakes who would cry about being misgendered or whatever they do not think twice before throwing insensitive shit into their memes.
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair Japanese men have softer features, so cartoon styles there developed accordingly.
No. 2525794
>>2525688A baby existing is not heterosexuality with extra steps.
If lesbians adopt a child is that automatically make it no longer lesbian and instead heterosexual?
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>>2525719It's nothing so serious, its because male anatomy is hard and moeblobs are easy to draw, which makes the fact that bl/fujobait takes the effort to make even traps masculine in small ways like shoulders and legs despite it being more difficult more noticeable.
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>>2525688Is this bait? For better or worse, real gay couples IRL have kids. That doesn't make them straight with extra steps kek.
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>>2525584You do realize than American companies do that too, right?
No. 2528523
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>Gengoroh Tagame
They know he draws scat porn right? Kek
Also the fucking irony of using an idolmaster character while pearl clutching
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>>2528555What's the source? I guarantee the OP is a minor, a TiF, or both. These tards who virtue-signal about how bara is somehow morally superior to yaoi despite being 10x as rapey and having way grosser fetishes are all the same. I've met gay moids (actual ones, not TiFs) who prefer yaoi to bara because they're not into bears with lego heads, or they want something with some characterization and build-up instead of just "two fat hairy guys meet at the gym and rape each other. The end."
It's yet another case of picrel. Generally, women want to write slow-burn hurt-comfort stories where the characters don't even kiss for like 20 chapters, while men (regardless of sexuality) just want to write about 2-dimensional characters fucking out of nowhere. Yet somehow women are the evil objectifiers, while retards like Shencomix are heccin' based lesbian allies when they fetishize lesbians.
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>>2528576In a way I do feel bad for these people on some level for that reason, like imagine skipping out on genuinely fantastic works of weeb lit like Rinko's games because she's a woman kek
Same goes for Harada since a lot of her manga is in my faves list, I'm just more of a VNfujo, ESPECIALLY since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.
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>>2528580>TiFs have extreme internalized misogynyAYRT, I felt it was misogynistic too. It also begs the question, how would they know the sex of the mangaka, let alone wether or not they're gay men. Before you know it they'll be demanding they print pink triangles on their works.
>>2528578Agreed. There are surely non-sexual mangas out there for these types, why can't they just focus on that? Since they want to uplift gay moids so much.
>since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.Happy for you, nona! /m/ has been talking a lot about that Hundred Line game and I'm not much of a VNfag but I'm considering picking it up because of all the noise here.
No. 2528588
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>You can't read yaoi by straight womenCan you read yaoi by straight men?>>2528587Goddamn it nonna I was about to post them and you beat me to it.
No. 2528589
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>>2528581Mind blowing that a man who openly writes about people playing with dookie because it gets his dick hard is held up as some kind of visionary activist artist, while a woman who makes a vagina sculpture gets arrested.
No. 2528713
>>2528589nippon:
>shotalolishit porn (irl and drawn) where little kids are being raped gored and beaten>"legal! it doesnt affect real life anyways "despite all the cases proving they do>figure of a kawaiified vagina>JAILthis case and the case about the sculpture of korean comfort women who were systematically raped by Japanese soldiers showed the blatant hypocrisy of Japanese "freedom" of speech laws.
No. 2528730
>>2525839op here. I thought it was so weird how other nonas didn't think it was a psyop. In the context of other countries, sure, it makes sense I guess if women have bany fever and content appeases to that. But we don't see that trend with women in
Japan. It's like they're trying to induce baby fever where there isn't any. I've seen kids pop up in BL content where the men are fetishized in some heinous ways that likely appeal to some weird fetish the author has, and then suddenly it's like
>And they have the uke breastfeeding the the children he was bred with in the surprise mpreg!Let women project onto ukes if they want to do that. I'm not here to bash that. I just think it's wild that this is something they'd include a page after rabid anal sex. We all know babies come from sex but dude show one or the other in fiction, not both. Isn't that how people get strange kinks? I don't know. It's uncomfortable to me.
>>2525688Nona nobody cares. But let's play devil's advocate. Some women like to portray themselves as a submissive man who lacks a vagina. A step removed, they can indulge in wild kinks without feeling like they, themselves, have to damage their real bodies to experience such a delight. Yeah, that sounds REAL bad. And according to others on previous thread, these women should put down their preferred way to indulge in order to satisfy the limited boxes of a heterosexual normalcy that you deem is more appropriate for them.
>It's just heterosexuality with extra steps. Just coom to straight porn instead ffsThe most common take. Very forward thinking.
No. 2528738
>>2528730samefag Forgot to say; I
am a fujo. I just hate another subsection of us kek
No. 2528820
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>>2528723>you say you dont like pedo Japanese media yet you still consume other non pedophilic Japanese media, hypocrite much?Are you implying that all Japanese media is full of pedoshit?
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>>2529079Weeb fujos >>> Western fujos >>>>>>>>>>>>> Koreaboo fujos
Mainly a weeb fujo but I like some western ships here and there from capeshit (no idea how people ship cartoon characters together most of the time since they're not sexy at all) but almost every korean ship is godawful and so much of it is RPF garbage.
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>>2529105It's popular in China which gives it a pass kek
>their tastes tend to be badYeah because so much of it is stuff like Danny Phantom characters who aren't designed to be physically attractive at all. There's a reason why south park and gravity falls fanart was always off model as fuck and more resembled OCs.
No. 2529294
>>2529079>>2529093I must be particularly unbased bc I enjoy BL manga
and most of my slash OTPs are Westslop, like when it comes to original m/m stuff I prefer Japan, but with slash shipping I prefer Western media. So apparently I'm enabling Nippedo
and I have shit taste on account of shipping Westoid uggos kek. I don't really care for most Korean shit because I hate the art style, particularly the grotesque way they draw lips.
No. 2530644
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>"but remember that the ukes are not supposed to be women and girls"
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>>2530644this is a random edgy twitter TIF obsessed with giving male characters vaginas and has an obvious detrans fetish. your point?