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No. 2523554
Beware of /tttt/ourists, who have been shitting up the troon threads in /snow/ lately. Report and ignore anything you suspect is written by troons.
ITT: Discuss the controversies and disagreements between fujoshi, yumejoshi, and himejoshi. Note: yumes and self-shipping aren't necessarily the same thing. Slashers and fujos also aren't exactly the same, though they heavily overlap.
Topics include:
>Whether there is a causal relationship between consumption of yaoi/slash and trooning out>Voyeurism vs. self-insertion>Yaoi men vs. bara men vs. 3DPD gay moids>To what degree does the fiction a person consumes need to comport with their real life ideologies and politics>Female creators' portrayal of male-male sex/romance vs. male creators' portrayal of female/female sex/romance>Do women read yaoi or slash as an "escape" from misogyny IRL>Can women be "porn addicts" and/or why are women held to higher standards of moral purity than men>Whether (or why) lesbians can/cannot be fujoshi>No True Fujoshi (i.e., does enjoying straight-with-extra steps shit like A/B/O, Mpreg, cuntboy, etc. make someone "less" of a fujoshi)>General moralfaggotryPrevious:
>>2428892 No. 2523748
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After the Windbreaker debacle, I've started thinking about how despite the stereotype thrown around about bl, compared to yuri/het anime which do the "draw a girl, all it a boy" bl manga/fujobait tends to have the most masculine looking crossdressing characters.
No. 2523788
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>>2523780Fwiw, pic is a gay okama that identifies as male like the other anon said.
I just thought it was funny how there's an effort to make them look as male as possible compared to yuri/het which seemed to be unproblematic when they do the same thing, but with "draw a girl, call it a boy/gender ambiguous" characters.
No. 2524292
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>>2523748All I see when I look at that is Jack from Patalliro in a modern art style kek. I wonder how much it would rock anons' worlds to find out that drag kabuki has been like, a formal profession among straight guys in Japan for hundreds of years (it's called onnagata).
No. 2525200
>>2523748but this is clearly a male design, his facial structure is drawn more angular and he is taller to emphasize his masculinity, if this was bl he would be 5'0 tall and have no body mass and just be dainty
>>2524292the bl series where the uke ends up pregnant, not helping your case
No. 2525203
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this feels misogynistic
No. 2525220
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>>2525200>if it was a bl seriesLike pic related? Okama crossdressers in bl series are still on average shown more as male.
No. 2525385
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>>2525220>>2525200A better benchmark would be to look at the most popular search for crossdressing+bl-genderswap and it seems to be about roughly even, with ultra-feminine borderline female ukes next to more typical looking males
No. 2525396
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>>2525385Checking the actual artstyles, I can't see this as anything but male.
No. 2525405
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>>2525396Here's another one compared to a harem protagonist crossdressing.
No. 2525446
>>2525203I will never not hate fujos who bring kids into the equation. Not an invested hate, but definitely a hatred leaning towards repulsion. I want to see two men bang each other or potentially have a relationship. Why do children have to be present?
I know it sounds like microwaved retardation but I still think it's a Japanese psyop to target BL fans with "if you project onto the uke, who takes care of the ship kids, you will be happy like them". Fuck outta here with that clownery.
No. 2525450
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>>2525446There’s just a lot of fujos with baby fever who want to see their OTP have kids, it’s not that deep.
No. 2525497
>>2525491>>2525493Think you're really overthinking a simple idea of "hehe baby version cute", it's not like they're going through the whole process.
It's like saying animal husbando forms are animal abuse because they draw feeding them human food and how dogs would be gross irl because they need to poop.
No. 2525505
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>>2525493Unironically laughed
No. 2525513
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>>2525203>getoswombI find her autism fascinating, but it is because of shippers like her that I stopped engaging with satosugu content. Which sucks because their dynamic had so much potential but western shippers have completely flanderized it. I got into Phaidei recently and at first it started with “I want to get him pregnant” jokes which was fine. I find it corny but it did not particularly bother me. But now almost every joke and fanart on twitter is centered around how Mydei is a woman. I have seen actual essays on Mydei’s fertility symbolism. It is pure insanity.
I do not know when everything went so wrong. It was not like this a few years ago. I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR2, but there was never this bizarre obsession with giving him a cunt or drawing mpreg art of him or analyzing his femininity. With a lot of popular fujo ships in recent years, almost every other piece of fan content now revolves around pregnancy, motherhood, and writing thinkpieces about how the bottom is a woman.
No. 2525532
>>2525521I don't really care if you think everything is retarded or if you weren't involved in the conversation to begin with, it's still a lot more retarded to ovethink it with irl complications when it's just a gachapon.
Its like the autists overthinking kids shows, there was no reason to think about how babies shit themselves. It's a gacha you spend 300 yen on cuz it's cute.
No. 2525542
>>2525486It's not my thing, so this is purely speculative, but I know some people enjoy looking at baby pictures of their celebrity crushes (in a non-pedo way, to be clear) so maybe it's the same with otakus' favorite anime guys? You do often hear people saying stuff like "he's my son," "baby boy," and "protect him," about their favorite male characters, so I think there's just an overall desire to woobify and cutesify stuff they like. It's weird, but to call it pedophilia or misogyny is a bit of a reach imo.
I've said this before, but it annoys me that everyone online these days feels the need to cook up some moral justification for their opinions. Why can't people just say, "Eww, that's weird to me," and move on? You're allowed to hate things on a subjective level, you know. Not everything you hate has to be secretly pedophilic, racist, exist, etc.
No. 2525564
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>>2525486They're just meant to be cute and a lot of people like infantilizing their favorite characters.
No. 2525570
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>>2525513>I remember Komahina fans on tunglr would joke about Komaeda being the heroine of SDR24koma manga started this actually
No. 2525576
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I've just realised that my post is in the threadpic, aw yeeee
No. 2525578
>>2525571Would you rather have
>le evil mastermind Stewie Griffinbaby
No. 2525599
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>>2525571>>2525578It's not even a Japanese thing, pic related is fucking everywhere. Some people just like dumb shit sometimes.
No. 2525632
>>2525628I'm not anti-anime, but more anti mainstream anime, but it's all saturated with gross pedoscrote fantasies anyway. I don't hate fujos unless they're really annoying and retarded with a giant
victim complex.
No. 2525651
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I'm not surprised this thread is over-analyzing baby chibis and saying they are a psyop or misogynistic when a large chunk of women simply find babies to be cute. It's the same vibe as Japanese women making cute custom plush dolls of characters.
Most anti-fujo stuff seems to just be psychoanalysis of things other women like to justify hate. I don't like bodice ripper novels or dark romance or lame het ships like raylo, but I don't care if a friend or relative likes that stuff.
No. 2525659
>>2525651Only one anon called it misogynistic, most anons are simply saying they're weird and ugly. This post is so ironic because it's ascribing politics to an opposing opinion and yet bemoaning the politics ascribed to
their opinion and preference… all while most anons with the opposing opinion were simply saying the figures were weird and dumb and nothing overly political in the first place. Women can also dislike things without attaching any sort of moralistic pearl clutching over it, some women just don't find anime scrotes as babies to be particularly appealing and it's fine to disagree and to spend your hard earned money on an ugly representation of a baby.
No. 2525665
>>2525654I liked
Baji but tbh I really just watched the show because the mc was a super retard.
No. 2525684
>>2525659AYRT I don't care if other women dislike anime babies and I don't like them either. I'm referring to
>>2525491 and
>>2525556 and the overall trend of overanalyzing things women like.
No. 2525704
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>>2525692NTA but do you only watch jojos, fist of the north star and bersek? the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair save for seinen where they exaggerate the characters physique to be a power fantasy for scrotes.
No. 2525719
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hairThey do this in case they wanna introduce a fujo love interest to get female fans.
No. 2525725
>>2525518I am convinced of this too. Many nu fujos and himes are just weird. All I see fujos on twitter talk about is wanting to get the male character they see as the bottom pregnant. And himes only talk about taking the strap or sucking it. They keep pushing straight dynamics into yaoi and yuri while simultaneously screeching about how queer they are. It is just frustrating.
>>2525570Kek of course, how could I forget this. It is crazy how despite the whole heroine Komaeda gag, no one was seriously writing essays about how he is a mtf tranny, even though Danganronpa had one of the most mentally ill fanbases at the time. Times really have changed.
>>2525602Sorry anon. Unfortunately jokes like this are pretty common in modern fanbases, and even though they're usually made by snowflakes who would cry about being misgendered or whatever they do not think twice before throwing insensitive shit into their memes.
No. 2525747
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>>2525704>the average anime boy has always been basically just a woman with short hair Japanese men have softer features, so cartoon styles there developed accordingly.
No. 2525794
>>2525688A baby existing is not heterosexuality with extra steps.
If lesbians adopt a child is that automatically make it no longer lesbian and instead heterosexual?
No. 2525803
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>>2525719It's nothing so serious, its because male anatomy is hard and moeblobs are easy to draw, which makes the fact that bl/fujobait takes the effort to make even traps masculine in small ways like shoulders and legs despite it being more difficult more noticeable.
No. 2525823
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>>2525688Is this bait? For better or worse, real gay couples IRL have kids. That doesn't make them straight with extra steps kek.
No. 2525828
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>>2525584You do realize than American companies do that too, right?
No. 2528523
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>Gengoroh Tagame
They know he draws scat porn right? Kek
Also the fucking irony of using an idolmaster character while pearl clutching
No. 2528575
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>>2528555What's the source? I guarantee the OP is a minor, a TiF, or both. These tards who virtue-signal about how bara is somehow morally superior to yaoi despite being 10x as rapey and having way grosser fetishes are all the same. I've met gay moids (actual ones, not TiFs) who prefer yaoi to bara because they're not into bears with lego heads, or they want something with some characterization and build-up instead of just "two fat hairy guys meet at the gym and rape each other. The end."
It's yet another case of picrel. Generally, women want to write slow-burn hurt-comfort stories where the characters don't even kiss for like 20 chapters, while men (regardless of sexuality) just want to write about 2-dimensional characters fucking out of nowhere. Yet somehow women are the evil objectifiers, while retards like Shencomix are heccin' based lesbian allies when they fetishize lesbians.
No. 2528578
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>>2528576In a way I do feel bad for these people on some level for that reason, like imagine skipping out on genuinely fantastic works of weeb lit like Rinko's games because she's a woman kek
Same goes for Harada since a lot of her manga is in my faves list, I'm just more of a VNfujo, ESPECIALLY since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.
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>>2528580>TiFs have extreme internalized misogynyAYRT, I felt it was misogynistic too. It also begs the question, how would they know the sex of the mangaka, let alone wether or not they're gay men. Before you know it they'll be demanding they print pink triangles on their works.
>>2528578Agreed. There are surely non-sexual mangas out there for these types, why can't they just focus on that? Since they want to uplift gay moids so much.
>since we're getting so much for fujo stuff this year.Happy for you, nona! /m/ has been talking a lot about that Hundred Line game and I'm not much of a VNfag but I'm considering picking it up because of all the noise here.
No. 2528588
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>You can't read yaoi by straight womenCan you read yaoi by straight men?>>2528587Goddamn it nonna I was about to post them and you beat me to it.
No. 2528589
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>>2528581Mind blowing that a man who openly writes about people playing with dookie because it gets his dick hard is held up as some kind of visionary activist artist, while a woman who makes a vagina sculpture gets arrested.
No. 2528713
>>2528589nippon:
>shotalolishit porn (irl and drawn) where little kids are being raped gored and beaten>"legal! it doesnt affect real life anyways "despite all the cases proving they do>figure of a kawaiified vagina>JAILthis case and the case about the sculpture of korean comfort women who were systematically raped by Japanese soldiers showed the blatant hypocrisy of Japanese "freedom" of speech laws.
No. 2528730
>>2525839op here. I thought it was so weird how other nonas didn't think it was a psyop. In the context of other countries, sure, it makes sense I guess if women have bany fever and content appeases to that. But we don't see that trend with women in
Japan. It's like they're trying to induce baby fever where there isn't any. I've seen kids pop up in BL content where the men are fetishized in some heinous ways that likely appeal to some weird fetish the author has, and then suddenly it's like
>And they have the uke breastfeeding the the children he was bred with in the surprise mpreg!Let women project onto ukes if they want to do that. I'm not here to bash that. I just think it's wild that this is something they'd include a page after rabid anal sex. We all know babies come from sex but dude show one or the other in fiction, not both. Isn't that how people get strange kinks? I don't know. It's uncomfortable to me.
>>2525688Nona nobody cares. But let's play devil's advocate. Some women like to portray themselves as a submissive man who lacks a vagina. A step removed, they can indulge in wild kinks without feeling like they, themselves, have to damage their real bodies to experience such a delight. Yeah, that sounds REAL bad. And according to others on previous thread, these women should put down their preferred way to indulge in order to satisfy the limited boxes of a heterosexual normalcy that you deem is more appropriate for them.
>It's just heterosexuality with extra steps. Just coom to straight porn instead ffsThe most common take. Very forward thinking.
No. 2528738
>>2528730samefag Forgot to say; I
am a fujo. I just hate another subsection of us kek
No. 2528820
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>>2528723>you say you dont like pedo Japanese media yet you still consume other non pedophilic Japanese media, hypocrite much?Are you implying that all Japanese media is full of pedoshit?
No. 2529100
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>>2529079Weeb fujos >>> Western fujos >>>>>>>>>>>>> Koreaboo fujos
Mainly a weeb fujo but I like some western ships here and there from capeshit (no idea how people ship cartoon characters together most of the time since they're not sexy at all) but almost every korean ship is godawful and so much of it is RPF garbage.
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>>2529105It's popular in China which gives it a pass kek
>their tastes tend to be badYeah because so much of it is stuff like Danny Phantom characters who aren't designed to be physically attractive at all. There's a reason why south park and gravity falls fanart was always off model as fuck and more resembled OCs.
No. 2529294
>>2529079>>2529093I must be particularly unbased bc I enjoy BL manga
and most of my slash OTPs are Westslop, like when it comes to original m/m stuff I prefer Japan, but with slash shipping I prefer Western media. So apparently I'm enabling Nippedo
and I have shit taste on account of shipping Westoid uggos kek. I don't really care for most Korean shit because I hate the art style, particularly the grotesque way they draw lips.
No. 2530644
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>"but remember that the ukes are not supposed to be women and girls"
No. 2530692
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>>2530644this is a random edgy twitter TIF obsessed with giving male characters vaginas and has an obvious detrans fetish. your point?
No. 2531891
>>2531421Because being a fujo is only associated with women and they don't want to be reminded of that they're women+it was considered cool to shit on fujos for quite a while
Since being a fujoshi has become trendy in recent years though they're trying to desperately prop up fudanshi (which is basically a super niche in Japan)
No. 2531940
>>2531421They are desperate for an identity to attach themselves to.
Same way some people won't shut up about being a Leo, someone who makes being an INFP their whole personality, how some people are about race, or how people will pretend to be autistic/have some disorder and then turn into huge crusaders and moralfagging on how others others shouldn't be using sperg in slang or some other very retarded shit.
They want to be special, they want everything into little boxes. They look at yaoi and hate that it isn't special and just for them. They don't want other girls to like the same things they like.
No. 2536596
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How exactly is this hypocritical?
No. 2536653
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The slight difference in dynamics between fujo and otome ships is kinda interesting, like how the P3 female protagonist gets shipped with Shinjiro while the male protagonist gets shipped with Ryouji.
No. 2536659
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>>2536617Most examples people post of "feminine uke" are from 20 years ago.
Nowadays there's a lot of variety and most generally look more masculine than the average anime male, look through the thread for examples like these
>>2525220Meanwhile male main characters from a male magazines and male light novels can look quite feminine if you look through closely (pic related was randomish stuff I read this week). Sadly due to stereotype, women are the ones told their characters aren't drawn like men.
No. 2536669
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For fun, here's isekai all airing pretty soon this year. Top are bl and fujobait, bottom are targeted towards men (and me, I'm watching bottom right).
No. 2536676
>>2536674All of them look male to me tbh, but maybe it depends on how used you are to anime styles.
Top right, anime girls don't have that type of jaw.
No. 2536687
>>2536676>>2536681Well obviously anime girls don’t have that jaw, anime girls don’t look like women either, it’s drawing one thing and calling it something else. That doesn’t mean the image above looks particularly male.
I don’t really see how anyone could see the bottom right as an adult male kekk don’t lie. That’s just being disingenuous, and talking to a normie who won’t give the argument a time of day would probably open some people’s eyes a little. But I don’t think it’s as harmful as real moid pedophilia though so I don’t care at all personally.
No. 2536693
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>>2536689And they're acting like isekai characters haven't looked like homogenized soylent twinks for the past decade
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>>2536693It's easier for elevens to self insert as and easier to animate.
No. 2536706
>>253668>>2536692>Well obviously anime girls don’t have that jaw, anime girls don’t look like women eitherThen what was the point in asking to begin with? You ask first it in anime terms, its given.
>>2536695Did you misread "Nowadays there's a lot of variety" as "there's no such thing as a feminine uke"
No. 2536747
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>>2536741>Shield Hero becomes weirdly gay Madoka after a whileIs it with this blondie? Only thing I know about Shield hero is based queen accuses scrote of rape.
No. 2536757
>>2536734Anime characters are deformed cartoons in most art styles where the male characters look like female ones with little dimorphism besides boobs.
The point of the genre is that it's a male with another male. I don't understand why yaoi observers or critics miss it. The uke isn't a secret pseudo-female or self-insert. We want to see a man by romanced by another man or take dick up the ass because it's hot.
No. 2536769
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>>2536765Well uh, I guess that appealed to some fujos since there's a surprising amount of works for it.
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>>2536765>Google itBro literally turned so gay from le ebil women that he sees them as pigs holy fuck my sides.
No. 2536786
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>>2536781Suddenly I’m interested in Shield Hero
he calls him father….
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>>2536790Hoping the situation will be like picrel then.
No. 2536797
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>>2536734I feel like this is a thinly veiled trap to get others to post BL with manly guys, kek. Whatever, I'll still bite
No. 2536799
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>>2536790This reminded me, Overlord gets fujo work between the mc and his nazi son.
No. 2536819
>>2536740Top ten signs the yuri lake has dried up, and they seek more providers. We cannot treat our dehydrated sisters with so much scorn. The poor things are doing all they can kek
>>2536734>but nearly every masculine trait makes characters less appealingI know this is lolcow, but sometimes you have to agree with yourself sometimes that, occassionally, women find men hot. That's just how it is. Not every woman is born a lesbian or even finds feminine traits hot. Masculine traits can end up creating a some degree of Ugly Bastard, absolutely. But in a fictional world where people don't look that far into a scrote's future, we bask in the glory of the Hot Male that is Masculine.
>broad shoulders, muscles monsters, sharp jaws, covered in scarsAs these things are glorious to me and my favorite characters are… well…
muscular monsters even.
>Why not just call the female character you designed female?This does happen! And in the material I consume, it's often the self insert of the artist playing wingman.
But I think questions like these are asked with the explicit purpose of being willfully ignorant, regardless of how many times we explain the whole thing to those of this angle. Some women just want to project onto a girly male. Some women want girly men to get fucked. Some want two muscle monsters to fuck. Dick in ass.
Dick in ass. That is a preference. I sure as shit do not want to read manga where there is a gaping vaginal angle or women being abuse. I want my men to fuck, and I want them to be men.
No. 2536864
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Why do autists expect realism from anime, its literally japanese cartoons. No one would say the same about west shit like adventure time, where all the humans and humanoids look exactly the same regardless of age or sex. They have to be baiting because i dont understand how you can exercise your suspension of disbelief for characters with blue hair color, cat ears, neon pink eyes and magical powers but you expect hyper realisim from everything else.
No. 2536869
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>>2536853Its the same cope moids use to accuse women of being lesbians for liking kpop and shit. They have been feed misninformation by hollywood moidslop that women want men who are 20 years older, fat, bald, rugged and roid muscular so their small pea brains short circuit when they are met with the reality most women like attractive young men that adhere to similar beauty standards as women. These antifujo baiters are doing the same thing, seething that women like cute submissive men instead of wanting to be the submissive cute ones in the relationship. Its pure coping.
No. 2536873
>>2536834>I'm simply saying the pallet for masculine expression is so limited (sans fashion) that if you choose forgo these traits you will end up with a female character design.I wholeheartedly disagree! If this isn't bait, rhen I'd be more than happy to indulge you. I like to delude myself into believing that the opposite of masculinity isn't
femininity, but basically? Skeletor or orb. Either a character becomes androgynous (lack of any defining characteristics - a skeleton or massively obese), or they are masculine. You can add effeminate characteristics to a male to broaden your scope
if you want, but it isn't necessary. I don't see how the "pallet" for feminine expression is any better? I think they're equally flexible. Even when throwing out fashion, which characters completely in the nude, you have a lot to work with. It's just that sometimes the main media appeal doesn't mention this. You just end up with, what… shota, twink, and bara? There's more you can do than this.
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>>2536617>Sorry I don’t participate in this threadClearly, because if you did, you'd know that your question has been answered a hundred times before. Lurk moar. Next.
No. 2536914
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>>2536887Oh okay I thought you took Skeletor to a whole different direction.
Though tbh,
I like my male characters more on the meaty side and not feminine, please don't kill me. No. 2536932
>>2536864>autists>dot eye gif>where>humans are all the sameWTF IS THIS BULLSHIT FUCK YOU
YES I EXPECT A FANSTATICAL WORLD WITH A NONSHIT ART STYLE
No. 2536933
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>>2536930He literally has abs. You are insane
No. 2536937
>>2536933It's fine, Laios nonna doubles down really badly if you push it.
If its fat to her let it be.
No. 2536939
>>2536933 If he weights 210 then he is ~20 pounds of fat. Compare that to a 120 lbs even at 10% he only has 12 lbs of fat
He also has tons of useless muscle which might as well be fat.
Also being attract to it is literally zoophilia
No. 2536940
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>>2536933He looks like a fridge. Roidbodies are disgusting and look obese.
No. 2536942
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>>2536939Not every guy can be clamp character tier skinny
No. 2536950
>>2536943Sharp jawline = male. katakana = male, hiragana = female.
If they speak in katakana then they are
robot No. 2536960
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>>2536948It's so tiresome, ask not to kill and look what happens kek. They can't help it at all.
>>2536952Posting Genshin is just shaming yourself tbh.
No. 2536975
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>>2536967I'm sorry, after reading the GI thread I can't stop laughing
No. 2536976
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>yet another battleground for muh bishies vs muh wholesome chungus fatties sperging
>autists will memorise the most obscure trivia about the most obscure Japanese cartoon but "people have different tastes"/"if you have a specific fetish most people around you probably don't share it" is just too difficult to comprehend
No. 2536978
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>>2536973There was a girl who thought she was a lesbian for thinking he was cute without knowing the context of the show
No. 2536982
>>2536968Where lol?
Arcane? Please, take it. Far, far away where I can't see it.
No. 2536991
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>>2536988Sure why not.
>>2536989That's fuckin gross nonna.
No. 2536994
>>2536991>Sure why not. see? it wasnt so hard. Continue gooning to fatties then
nonny.
No. 2536995
>>2536988Nta but
>so you hate waffles?Everytime, someone mentions they like something different and these spergs have to self victimize and spray shit at everyone, then cry and cry about how bishies are oppressed and how people misinterpret their male trait hating love for femininity as liking women.
Liking bishies is perfectly fine, nobody would think you like women if you weren't constantly sperging out over muscles. The problem is you.
No. 2536998
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>>2536994Cool thanks
>>2536996I have a smelly neet boy fetish, so that does tie into it sometimes since they're malnourished from never leaving their room.
No. 2537008
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To offer an olive branch to the pro ana boy fujos, I'll admit that a lot of BL artists really can't draw muscles.
No. 2537009
>>2537007Women have eyes. Men will call
you fat.
No. 2537012
>>2537009>women have eyesyou are calling fridge bodies fatsos not fat so you clearly need glasses
>men will call you fati dont give a shit what men think
No. 2537013
>>2537012Then why bring it up as a gatcha? Was I supposed to care what men think? Going back on it now is stupid.
But you're right, I should have said
most women since you have some sort of mucky ana infection going on.
No. 2537019
>>2537017Defending men? You're the one constantly bringing them up. I like what I like because I like it and I just find it retarded that a single picture of abs is worth sperging out.
You seem to be doing this because "men, men, men! Men say this, men do that, why can't you be like men? Uh, actually I don't care what men say about me!"
Man, shut up.
No. 2537022
>>2537020I'm not giving a new retarded definition for fat that includes "not fat" just because you need it to keep sane.
I'm not asking you to call your bishie attraction anything, fair is fair, so fuck off with your "I'm too autistic to handle preferences I don't like so it must be known as a degenerate fetish".
No. 2537028
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>>2537025>>2537027The only thing that's degenerating are your brains, seems like you dont know what fat actually is so hope this helps.
No. 2537061
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>>2536914Not involved in this fight but it reminded me that brits call this body type ''brick shithouse'' kekk
No. 2537200
>>2537195The starving child in question
>>2536940 fatfags act like this and then wonder why anons take the piss on them and bully their fat husbandos when they call anything that isnt morbidly obese starving
No. 2537204
>>2537200Nta that guy is muscular. I think anon is talking about the schizo who thinks
>>2536933 is fat. That person is probably baiting.
No. 2537227
>>2537212You're baiting or insane. That's what 90% of the men in
>>>/g/507540 look like.
No. 2537228
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Someone get a mobility scooter for this morbidly obese man, he clearly doesn't know what a salad is!
No. 2537233
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>>2537227no? those guys have a waist. Are you really so blind you think picrel is comparable to that fatty. Anons posted a guy with a similar build to that fatty and everyone called him fat
>>>/g/545748 No. 2537265
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this feels pedophilic
No. 2537311
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>>2537233Anon this image is obviously shooped. Look at how his neck bulges out at the waterline, how his nipples are two completely different shapes, and how they edge of his chest is all weird and ripple-y.
No. 2538857
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Why is it so hard for antifujos to understand that 2 men are better than 1? its so simple and yet they seem completly oblivious to the fact that maybe women dont want to see pussy in their porn.
No. 2538892
>>2538880Instead of gambling the chance of a woman that is not you taking 80% of the focus, you get a man in frame either way.
Tbh when masturbating, don't you focus in on stuff like chest, face, dick anyway? More dudes just means more material.
No. 2538914
>>2538888I'm not a TIF
>>2538890>>2538892Eh, not how I enjoy it. I don't really watch/read porn much anyway. I just look at it for fantasizing ideas sometimes.
>>2538910I could never date a bi guy, just a total turn off even in fiction.
No. 2538959
>>2538910Obnoxious blog but as a bifag I would
never date a bisexual man, I've met 3 of them against my will and they were ALL creepy annoying perverts.
No. 2539074
>>2538880i really dont get this line of thinking. you never could have fucked the cartoon anime boy in the first place
>>2538890got called autistic in a previous thread for pointing this out
No. 2540788
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This is fujoism in a nutshell. performing mental gymnastics to prove that a fanon mlm ship has chemistry but will shit on canon ships, artificially projecting their sexuality onto fictional characters who are canonically straight and then thinking that heterosexuality in real life is boring because it doesn't compare to the fictional romances they imagine as gay.
No. 2540821
>>2540803Fact is any canon pairing is forced to be slow to fit into the pace of the story while other relationships aren't as tied down by plot, they're free to have more natural chemistry.
It's not like it wasn't the case with Hinata/Sakura, Rukia/Orihime, Frog/Gravity (though the author did his damndest to kill that one off), Rei/Asuka/Mari, every harem anim will have people with nothing better to do continue to complain about canon ends for years.
Canon pairings as the most popular are rare and only really happen when there's only that allowed.
No. 2540849
>>2540380>>2540689They're the most autistic moralfags I've ever seen in my life. Half the time I don't even know what they're so
triggered about.
No. 2541213
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fandom discourse thread bingo
No. 2542011
>>2541213That's more of a bingo for
this thread than for fandom discourse.
No. 2542015
>>2540788Did you not actually look at the posts you screencapped and posted?
>performing mental gymnastics to prove that a fanon mlm ship has chemistryThe second panel is literally criticizing people who ship two characters who have never interacted and don't have chemistry just because they're hot. The person is evenhandedly criticizing and agreeing with fujos on different points. Damn some of you are so belligerent you can't even recognize when someone agrees with you on something.
No. 2542652
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>>2536881>This is so autistic, monsters arent masculine either because they arent real Wow. Instantly aggressive? They can be masculine
because it's fiction. If you slap a six pack and massive pecs on cthulhu, it's masculine. But we can pretend that isn't the case if it makes you feel more comfortable. That is simply how I prefer things.
>Most women find physical masculine traits disgusting(things like beards, super roided bodies, rugged faces, balding or very short hair, body hair, etc) that is an objective truth. >MostNonna… LC isn't an accurate representation of the world…
But honestly, I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say with this post? The things you listed as masculine traits are moreso things that happen to moids. I am in agreeance with you that it definitely feels like a psyop to insist that women that're into bishies are "lesbians" though.
No. 2542761
>>2536881Never heard of coding? Monsters possess traditionally masculine features like aggressive, muscles, and deep voices. Is it that weird for straight/bi women to find monsters attractive?
>most women find physical masculine traits disgusting(things like beards, super roided bodies, rugged faces, balding or very short hair, body hair, etc) I'm begging you to go outside, nonna. Women don't share the same preferences in men besides a few overlaps like hygiene, bone structure, and hair.
No. 2543283
>>2542652I mean it's true, if you look at what's overwhelmingly popular and proffitable with women its always young fit men that are hairless and ''feminine'' think kpop, LADS, kdramas, bishies, pretty boys etc. I dont know why you are trying to deny the fact that most women are attracted to pretty men instead of faggot looking tryhards. I am sorry
nonny but you are in the minority.
No. 2543311
>>2543283Nona, its a nice bubble you're in and I'm part of it but it's still a bubble.
Lets be realistic, 90% of women have no idea what the fuck LADS is.
No. 2543327
>>2540788I don't believe fandom hates hetslop and hetshippers as much as it claims to when gendies are running the whole show. I promise you that woman could have any number of misogynistic barefoot and pregnant tropes and half assed writing but if she was a trans man or a gendie it would instantly become a 10/10 ship for so many people kek
Fandom is mostly straight women. I don't know why fandom got memed so long as a queer space when women have to constantly be on the back foot to enjoy anything fujo or hetshipper. Autism.
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>you think normalfag women dont have standards?
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Pretty accurate
No. 2544210
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The toxic yaoi tag on tumblr makes me buy into the ugly male psyop.
No. 2544246
>>2544210Why do I get the vibe that the artist can't handle actual
toxic yaoi with bishies instead of ugly round blobs who say rude things to each other kek
No. 2544250
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>>2544238Yes.
>>2544246muh fetishization
No. 2544254
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>>2544250billford is the safe edgy version of billdip featuring featuring fat hairy uggos
No. 2544267
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>>2544254Agreed, I was never into shipping gravity falls characters but at least billdip fujos drew them as cute boys instead of ugly balding scrotes kek.
No. 2544280
>>2544275t. ugly scrote enjoyer
even comparing billdip to billford fanart has bill humanized into a pretty bishounen vs a ugly dying of old age scrote.
No. 2544286
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>>2544282Small dicks, billdip Bill would never.
No. 2544489
>>2544280nta but
>the characters in this ship have actual history with each other which gives them more chemistry and gives you an actual reason to ship them>reee but the fanart isn’t bishie enough!1!1i’m a tourist in this thread so forgive me for even having to ask but are all fujos this retarded on purpose
No. 2544586
>>2544541Nta but I genuinely believe that it happened like this:
>A fangirl has hobbies and genuine interests>Other men and women target her for this because these people want to be bullies and pick an easy target >Sometimes it's moids looking to hate on an easy female target>Sometimes it's other female nerds who do this because of the whole "recognition of the self's negative traits through the other" and then projecting that self hatred onto the other, like how fat people with EDs will hate on other fat people but normies don't give a shit.>The online becomes saturated with these bullies>Coincides with the internet having less forums so everyone is lumped together on the same websites (see the phrase "this post broke containment.")>Irony poisoning settles in where no one actually likes anything they're partaking in because that means it hurts less when being targeted for bullying/harassment>To be inauthentic is the best defense mechanism >To cope with this total lie they really push the narrative that they actually like [Thing that only someone selfhating would like, like being trans or being attracted to ugly men] and everyone else should too because misery loves company and if they're gonna be unhappy then so are you.You can tell tifs don't actually like these baldfat moids because I see them in the comments section of BL manga and webtoons either reviewing the comics, or arguing with each other over who is the more true and honest gay man. I saw one tif, under a mid webtoon, commenting "I'M SO FUCKING GAY" and a second one responding "You sure about that sweetheart?" Like kek both of you are straight women reading a comic for straight women, stfu.
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>>2544578Why wouldn’t you just ship billdip then instead of the ship with a guy in his 70s
No. 2544622
>>2544612Fujoshi was always a nerd hobby meant for people already invested in comics.
Interpreting canon was always a huge part of it, the fact it's slowly getting lost because "so autistic ugh" is very sad.
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>>2544522>>2544586Tifs really do have a superiority complex over "liking" ugly fat old men. I think they are insecure about being a straight woman and have low self-esteem so they nlog over liking uggos as if it's a badge of honor. The same tifs try to show off how much they like bara and other gay male things to prove how gay they are. They're also mostly fat and short and doughy themselves too
>>2544578Why do I have to be convinced to draw a better version of a canonically ugly old character?
No. 2544632
>>2544622Should add, this was swperate from the GF shit but it's pathetic that, instead of actually going at it from a "which dynamics are better/what has more effort" it's just calling each other tifs and moralfagging about pedo/fat.
It's all so lame.
No. 2544667
>>2544632>complains about moralfagging>is the one moralfaggingI mean you are doing the exact same shit you are complaining about. Just let people enjoy their yaoishit in peace, everything was so peaceful and people would ship ugly 3dpd, characters that hated eachother and characters from opposite universes before the tif plague. Some of the most popular yaoi ships from when i was a teen on DA would be considered
problematic now(ZaDr, kyman, sebasciel, sasunaru, gonxkillua, etc).
No. 2544687
>>2544683If you don't actually give a shit about nerd shit you aren't a nerd, that's not moralfagging, that's just a fact. It's not even really a bad thing, being a nerd isn't particularly that big of a deal. You just like the look.
>Trying to dictate how others enjoy something is the reason why modern fandoms are so boringThis part is hilarious considering the context tbh
No. 2544699
>>2544682I am nta but as someone who was in the gf fandom back then, it definetly was the ''safe horny'' version of billdip. GF released during the transitional period between wholesome chungus tumblr fangirl autism and the tranny moralfag infestation. Bill was one of the very first ''tumblr sexy man'', back when tumblr was cringe and free and women had fun turning random characters into pretty bishies. Then the moralfaggots started claiming tumblr sexy men were bad ackshually because they promoted hegemonic white beauty and the whole anti shit started, thus young girls in the fandom who were pretty much bullied for liking bishies started gravitating towards safe, tumblr acceptable ways to express their heterosexuality.
>>2544689>physical qualities of the characters would you play an otome with ugly characters, be honest. Would you seriously be able to look past the physical qualities of a character and play ugly shit like validate? because if you can understand why otomefags dont want to date ugly vitiligo trannies, then you should be able to understand why someone doesnt want to waste time reading about ugly characters, specially since there is already a similar dynamic in the show with less repulsive looking characters.
No. 2544710
>>2544689I'd argue most shounen ships had more than just "hate propping up hot characters fucking each other".
>>2544699>would you play an otome with ugly characters, be honestNta but that wasn't her point. In an otome game, you're not just smashing the skip dialogue button in order to get to sex right? You read through characters, think about the dynamics, the charm points. Brushing that as not important because "they're hot so idgaf" is boring and leads to shit discussion because all you got is a jpg and "mine hot> tif uggo".
No. 2544717
>>2544714So the only difference for you between a good otome game and Validate are how hot the characters are?
You seriously think writing wise, it's all the same? Doesn't seem like you like otome much at all, in that case.
No. 2544730
>>2544720nta but this was more concerning shipping in fandoms where the media wasn’t hand crafted for your sexuality and and calling out the retardation of saying things like this
>>2544267 anw
No. 2544737
>>2544734>Otherwise these people wouldnt have problems shipping yurishit or shotashit or anything else they arent into. Why do you keep bringing this up as a way to catch people? My point to begin with is despite arguing for Dipper, you were just complaining about tifs and moralfagging about being attacked instead of actually talking about Dipper or any of the dynamics involved between him and the pyramid.
Atp, I'm not sure you
can actually talk about it because you're avoiding it so badly.
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>>2544738>But we both know you wouldnt play shit like validate no matter how good the writing is>no matter how good the writing is>goodAre you fucking serious.
No. 2544743
>>2544740*was
oh no i made a typo, i lost the internet slapfight.
No. 2544747
>>2544741>Because you keep claiming ''muh x dynamic is better'' but it's almost the same dynamic with different characters.Never did, this thread is public.
>If you think dynamic is all that matters then why do you have such a problem with people shipping billdipper instead of billford? I don't.
>Bill literally posseses Dipper in an episode, you cant get more yaoibait than that.I wanted this the whole time. The lack of this is what I was complaining about. If people want to argue ships, argue on dynamics and not on if its pedo/tif.
No. 2544752
>>2544747Ok but the original anon WAS claiming billford is better than billdipper because billdipper is pedo or some shit.
>>2544275>>2544746How do you even bishify an old man? the reason why shit like south park can get bishified its because the characters are basically stick figures. You can add kyle's hat to a generic anime boy and then it turns into kyle. With ford and stan you actively have to make them look old for them to look like the characters, and not everyone is into old men.
No. 2544757
>>2544750>>2544752They're two different characters, aren't they? Argue why Dipper has more to back it up instead of bringing up trannies.
Other anon should argue why Stan or Ford or whatever has more to it than just "reeee dipper is child". I'm just tired when ship arguments are the exact same moralfagging "tif uggo pedo" argument over and over across different series.
That it feels so shallow, was my original point.
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>>2544757I dont have to defend my taste i just like it because i do.
No. 2544775
>>2544752I'm other anon, I find it better when characters have an established history with each other prior to the show's canon. And what
>>2544768 says about it all coming from supplementary material made it more of like a fun secret to unravel. nothing to do with character ages or them needing to be cute boys
No. 2544776
>>2544767Just sounds like its kinda boring then.
>>2544768>Supplementary materialLike… with grunkle fujobait or just like normal story that gets interpretated as such?
No. 2544780
>>2544775Not into Gravity Falls myself but I get that, there's something about digging that feels really fun when you get a good gold nugget of info.
Once, I found a full on brocon subplot hidden in 4-5 short side stories where one kissed the other (on the hand but still) that was a good day.
No. 2544783
>>2544776No one shipped Bill and Ford before the book came out, the amount of “reject tradition embrace modernity” memes I’ve seen comparing billdip to billford as well as them taking the aesthetics from billdip (such as using human Bill designs that were frequently used in fan art while the show was running) just tells me that they’re repackaging the same ship but with a guy in his 70s instead of a 12 year old.
Them constantly tagging it as “
toxic yaoi” also tells me that their shippers are into safe edgy (NO UNDERAGED, INCEST OR OVERLY
PROBLEMATIC SHIPS) while trying to larp as an edgy fujoshi.
Also Billdip just gets much much much better fanart. Really telling that the original anon had to call women pedos in order to cope with having gendie blobs.
No. 2544790
>>2544789It’s pretty much the same thing as Bill and Dipper, nothing that I would call actual bait but enough to where shippers can come up with something.
There aren’t really western kids cartoons that have fujobait.
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>>2544804blue lock, though more because the first fujo ship became irrelevant.
No. 2544816
>>2544814he’s the cutest one though…
I dropped blue lock when the pros got introduced because I’m not that into sports manga (friends at the time begged me to read it).
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>>2544828Never watched/read it but the doujins are hot as hell.
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Imagine being more based when you were 12 kek
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>>2544848>I did watch it because of the doujinsI honestly wouldn't be surprised if that's most people overseas kek.
Only sports anime I've watched in full is sk8 (I'll be watching season 2 if it ever comes out) but I wanna watch initial D at some point since someone said it's similar in format to sk8 and I like the soundtrack (not sure how big it is fujo wise though).
No. 2544863
>>2544855Ngl I gave MFGhost a try and it was a no from me, maybe Initial D is better.
I've watched/read a fair amount of sports but I'm ashamed for not watching Slam Dunk or Oofuri yet. I've been meaning to, but I've never gotten around to it.
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>>2545143I assume they are into yaoi, where the uke is hyper feminist, but they will call it a "femboy". Both fujos and moids seem to be obsessed with calling child rape
victims "femboys" for some reason.
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why are fujo women more mentally ill on average than female yurifags?
No. 2545326
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>>2545143Men literally contributed to the first yaoi magazine and had their own illustrated porn magazines, why do zoomers always make this shit up
No. 2545449
>>2545143>tranny vtuber Why
>>2545435Bakudeku wasn't the only ship as people here seem to make it out to be to begin with, for some reason nobody ever mentions KiriBaku.
No. 2545492
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>>2544828Oofuri is better imo
No. 2545500
>>2544804Like, in terms of popularity, or just when the characters were introduced?
>>2545496>>2545449Bakudeku was probably the "first" thing people shipped in BNHA but I always preferred Kiribaku because Kirishima is hotter and less annoying than Midoriya kek. Plus I prefer Bakugou as a bottom and Bakudeku shippers make him the top 90% of the time.
No. 2545513
>>2545500>Kirishima is hotter Fuck no he’s got shark teeth
I don’t think anyone in BNHA is hot but Kirishima is definitely not hotter.
No. 2545542
>>2545540Probably.
You don’t see that many fighting game fujos outside of Japan though….
No. 2545570
>>2545561So in order to be a trap a character has to always be crossdressing in your opinion? Eh I guess that’s consistent enough for me to agree that it’s not appealing to most fujos then (there’s still gonna be some who are into it though just because there’s so many fujoshis).
To me a trap character can just be a character who crossdresses and looks like a woman in one scene (ie: lelouch could fall under trap) but I also get the argument for your definition of it.
No. 2545573
>>2545570>lelouch is a trapwild take
nonny kek
>>2545572yeah but its still not porn
nonny wtf kek
No. 2545579
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>>2545573>wild take nonny kek Anime said it originally not me kek
No. 2545590
>>2545583>There is a reason why moids dont jack off to lelouchDude there’s gotta be some moids who jerk off to lelouch crossdressing (they were super into this character in the video after all)
But fine I’ll accept your terms on what qualifies as a trap.
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>>2545513The shark teeth are part of what makes him hotter you philistine. It contrasts with his kind and sweet personality. Also he made his lame quirk into something cool on his own, unlike Midoriya whose idol walked into his life, gave him superpowers, and became his personal trainer.
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>>2545527Shoco's Kiribaku djs are kino.
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>>2545592I don’t like Deku either but shark teeth are hideous
>>2545596Maid outfits are way more popular with fujos over ballgowns kek, name any popular semi fujo character and they’ve definitely been drawn in a maid costume.
No. 2545614
>>2545606>and being emasculatedThat’s debatable since characters like the blend s guy are pretty smug about it.
>Are you an angry trapfag or why are you so pissed.I’m not pissed and I’m not into traps intended for men, I just think there’s more overlap of it in fujo spaces than people here would like to admit (for some reason, I don’t see the issue personally with having one of them crossdress for fanservice).
No. 2545620
>>2545615Official manga art wise, they're hotter than the JJK guys.
I'm sorry but Gege wasn't much of an artist.
No. 2545639
>>2545635You could have said HXH and I’d be willing to give it some leeway because of hair down Hisoka but
>dr stoneGirl what are you smoking
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>>2545639I got a thing for black scars, idk
No. 2545672
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>>2545629 Sometimes being here is like being trapped in a mental asylum
No. 2545679
>>2545625Season 1 and JJK0 looked meh, the second season looks really good though. I know the third season will have the same character designer so it should look good as well. I just hope they won't make Higuruma ugly.
>His art alone sucksHis art is very good for action scenes but it's all chicken scratches, and even his hand writing is unreadable at times. I know that a lot of people joke about how he should draw a BL manga because of the fujobait you can find in some scenes but it wouldn't work at all with his art style, especially when the canonically hot guys in JJK look wonky half of the time. I enjoyed the manga a lot but some of the covers look like shit to the point where even Gojo fangirls were laughing at the volume 26 cover and I don't see myself buying an eventual artbook.
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>>2545710Legit, and such a shit opinion at that. Shark teeth characters are the cutest
No. 2546173
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>>2545720Depends on the character's overall cuteness. Left makes me close my browser while right is my beloved ♥
No. 2546188
>>2545195That's because men who are into femboys
are pedophiles.
No. 2547489
>>2547473Uke ≠ femboy.
As someone mentioned, Bakugo was an uke in KiriBaku. He is not a femboy.
No. 2547991
>>2547984>muh female authors muh female genreWhat do you get out of lying. Genuine question what do you get out of being a lying piece of shit. Do you yurifags even watch Yuri content or try to consume it?
Most Yuri content is fetish bait for mods and the small percentage of women who consume it are pickmes like yuripedo who got doxed.
The only normal Yuri I saw was in Korean but Korean Yuri is very small genre. Meanwhile Japanese Yuri…..no comment.
No. 2547996
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You know what's funny women they to control each other's sexuality and shake each other for every thing case in point the women molding at fujos.
Meanwhile some of these anons white fathers are jerking off to disabled Asian girls and no one cares.(weird spamposting/racebait)
No. 2548050
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>>2548042Yeah what I'm saying is a lot of them aren't fanservicy like that at all. I don't care about fujos either they're fine, I'm not one of the anons sperging about them
>>2547993I forgot to answer this but Bloom into You/YagaKimi is a pretty popular one, written by a woman, no fanservice.
No. 2548086
>>2548075Nta, "pure" is not right but "filtered" might work.
As anime goes, the fact that it's gay men but also written by women makes it so it's inpalatable for the majority of audiences.
It filters pretty much everybody out but women and few gay guys, so the end result might be the most "purely one sex" in its demographic.
Women will read moid loli hentai, men will read shoujo and yuri, but both types probably find yaoi disgusting.
No. 2548266
>>2547984people always say this as cope but there are so many men who love yuri. there is an entitre group of TIMs so obsessed with yuri they think they are lesbians. it may have started as for women but a lot of yuri now is coomer shit for moids.
>>2548238i was convinced by those idiots years ago to check it out as i was told it was totally not yaoi, it was a horror thriller. i like horror and dark themes. i don't care if others like it but it's just rape yaoi lol. i don't see how anyone could enjoy it and not also be into yaoi/bl.
No. 2548327
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>>2548313Give me your best loveydovey recs.
No. 2548364
This is about books but this gay moid is complaining that m/m romance books written by women are better liked and more popular among women than books written by other gay moids.
No. 2548402
>>2548364This video is funny purely bc I’ve read the other authors he’s mentioned and they’re not as popular simply because they’re not as romantically fulfilling. There’s very little development for the romance in “They Both Die At The End” compared to the female authors he’s mentioned, and I’ve only read TJ Klune’s werewolf series but again the prose kinda took away from the romance being developed (my opinion tho ik plenty of anime fujos who loved that series but he’s also ‘
problematic’ which plays a bigger role than the dude speaking claims). I also think his claim that people accused him of writing CP because fujos can’t handle the male characters wanting each other sexually is crazy. RWB, AFTG, and TCP are series that make the sexual attraction between the characters pretty clear and they’re pretty popular and have consistent fan bases. It’s possible he just wrote about anemas and fujos found that gross kek.
No. 2548404
>>2548364God forbid women make more money than moids at
one goddamn thing. And this isn't even just the case for gay shit, the whole romance writing genre is female-dominated, because as you can imagine, most of the customers are female and women know how to cater to other women. This guy is also just clearly seething with jealousy that whatever slop he wrote didn't sell as well as Heartstopper. Newsflash idiot: fiction writing is not a meritocracy. The Fifty Shades books are literal Twilight fanfics with the serial numbers filed off, but they sold gangbusters. I don't think Heartstopper is particularly good, either (I can think of several better gay graphic novels written by women) but I have to imagine it did better because it was actually marketed. I've never heard of this guy or his shitty book about a heckin'
valid kweer latinxxxx and now that I know he's a jealous misogynistic prick, I'm definitely not going to read it.
There's an author I like, Ngozi Ukazu, and she's a straight woman who writes m/m, but twats like Aceves don't dare criticize her, because she's Nigerian and she outranks them on the progressive stack kek. It's a shame that's what it takes, though.
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>>2548364>The guy who promo'd onlyfans to his teenage female audience wrote a F/F seriesInteresting!
No. 2548410
>>2548364>there's nowhere near the amount of lesbian novels written by menLmao, the amount of lesbian porn or lesbian fanservice in media? Men don't read romantic novels
>waaaah this was written by a women, so problematic!! you must self-flagellate for being a straight women writing a romance novel and kiss ass at all times for anything jealous kweer authors and the woke mob criticize you for!Okay cool can gay men stop with the misogynistic drag queen shit then or stop calling each other bitches and fish and cunt?
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one of my old personal cows is a fujo cosplayer, she has been wearing lingerie and skimpy outfits for almost a decade and claims that thee cosplay's are of male characters and she seems to really believe it. so to fujos who claim the uke is absolutely not meant to be a woman, apply the same reasoning here?
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She's seething again
No. 2549990
>>2549958this is what the
>>2545306 original post was. learn how to read chain replies retard. anyway, could you answer the question? why are fujos (FYI fujos are XX female) more likely to be mentally ill coomer trannies than the average hime (also XX females)?
No. 2550037
>>2549990I like gay stuff on the side but never thought about becoming a man nor slapping a troon label on myself. There's other reasons like misogyny or lack of good countermeasures over wanting to troon out. If BL could lead to TIFs, why is it that most japanese fujos are still women while younger gens in the west troon out at higher rates? Even if they do exist in places like japan, they're so rare that no one can know until they dig in deeper.
>>2549992She's probarly a seething hetfag who's favorite husbando got shipped with another guy kek.
No. 2550178
>>2549990More women are into yaoi than women are into yuri. More women, more variety of people into it.
Trans representation as a sex is also several times more likely to actually show up in yuri than it does in yaoi.
No. 2550198
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>>2550197Any examples? The only ones I know are the artist for a samurai manga (forgot the name) that was bait but not actually yaoi, and the artist for Meet me at the Food Court, but that artist draws yuri fanservice cgdct.
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>>2550198The author of "I'm in Love with the Villainous" is said to be either trans or intersex and it does have a mtf in the story, but that's yuri this aspect of the demographic doesn't count.
No. 2550246
>>2550234"You wouldn't know about my example" isn't an example.
>>2550202I think things should be fair. If people are bringing up tiktok cosplayers, random tweets, and no name "examples", then how come 40-50% of the yuri fandom isn't fair game?
No. 2550285
>>2550201I can remember a few more
> Yuu Watase: identifies as "X-gender" which is Japanese version of nb, author of Fushigi Yuugi, comically enough is ok with she/her in English > Gaku Keito: TIF, author of "Boys Run the Riot"> Shou Arai: "FtM//FtX, agender, intersex (Turner syndrome), and pansexual" as per bakaupdates, wrote "At 30, I Realized I Had No Gender", married to her "gay man" assistant which I'm pretty sure is another TIF> PESUYAMA Poppy: nb, wrote "Until I Love Myself: The Journey of a Nonbinary Manga Artist"> Asuka Miyazaki: another X-gender self-hating lesbian who made a manga literally named "X-gender". Probably the only one I found who wasn't into BL at all No. 2550309
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>>2550285Samefag, just found out that author of "I want to be a wall" (asexual libfem fujos on twitter are constantly shilling this) added troon flag to her bio, I always knew this was coming considering how cringe her fujo self insert in the manga was.
>>2550302I'm not surprised either kek. It's always the ones with internalized misogyny
No. 2550324
>>2550319Still "
the only true" fujos who trooned out
No. 2550327
>>2550324None of them seem like they just did fujo though? Fushigi Yugi was shoujo and had yuri too.
This seems much more likely that they used Twitter too much tbh.
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>>2549879if anything the only scrotes I see that get pissed off at yuri are schizo waifufags that cannot see their waifu showing affection for someone else even if its another woman because its "cucked". In a way, moids sort of have their own version of yume vs fujo slapfights kek
No. 2550563
>>2550285>Gaku Keito: TIF, author of "Boys Run the Riot"For the very few pages I've seen of this manga I'm not surprised if that's true. I bet the MC is her self-insert, and if that's true it's safe to assume the mangaka is a massive retard. There's a scene in the manga where the PC starts sperging outside because her male friend/classmates don't want to hang out with her as much as they used to, they're all starting puberty, growing older so the boys only want to hang out with each other. So she starts sperging that she's just like them for real, removes her skirt in front of them outside, notices she has blood on her hand and it's the start of her period. Obviously the guys rightfully freak out and run away after seeing this schizo undress in public to prove she's physically just like a guy but we're supposed to feel bad for her. Later she gets a part time job in a restaurant and the boss tells her she's hecking
valid, stunning and brave an he can relate to her struggle because he was born and raised in Japan but is Korean and he has to hide that to avoid racism.
>>2550285>intersex (Turner syndrome)iirc Turner syndrome is when you only have one X chromosome instead of two, it would still very obvious she's a woman and most likely a very short one too depending on her medical treatment when growing up.
No. 2550605
>>2550576I think it's not that deep, they saw vocal millennials online talking about troon rights at a time when everyone saw them as harmless gay men who transition to have an easier life, then it became a lot more mainstream because of gay marriage becoming legal in the US and several European countries around the same time so activists focused more on trans rights and Bruce Jenner trooned out very publicly. When you're young you're more likely to believe what older people will tell you, you're most likely educated to believe older people learned more things than you and know what they're talking about, they wouldn't talk out of their ass otherwise, right? So zoomers are less likely to look for info and sources on the matter even if they're curious because they'll believe they're already educated on that topic. I noticed a lot of zoomers, including anons here, will tell you they only peaked after a period when they were TRA or at least didn't have strong opinions on the matter. I'm not trying to insult zoomers, it's just part of growing up and applies to many other things in general.
>>2550586According to what I've seen online, yes. Especially with the Blue Archive anime and the male MC/self insert being a cute young man to prevent yurifags from believing they're the target audience, allegedly.
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>>2550717He's not handsome though, he's really generic. If he looked like a twisted wonderland bishie moids would kill themselves. He's meant to be plain and non threatening. Fun fact he's the only human male character in BA, ba pedos are so insecure they had to make all the other male characters furries or robots.
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>>2549959>This is what she's seething overI genuinely think she's heavy on the spectrum
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>>2542017you don't want to play this game since the average fujo has the same bmi as the average male lolicon
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>>2550037>She's probarly a seething hetfag who's favorite husbando got shipped with another guy kek.Seems like it's this one kek, interestingly not the first person I've seen seething over Zoisite from sailor moon being gay.
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>>2550993As if sailor moon villains aren't more fun when they're campy as opposed to generic monster of the week characters or generic love interests for the senshi like in the manga
Sorry I'll take Zoisite and Fisheye being okamas and Mimete being a crazy fangirl over "miracle romance" any day of the week.
>the first bl manga was made at least a decade before sailor moon ever releasedTwo actually, the first BL manga is from the 70s.
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>rather than the super-cool superior males the comic was intended for.
Hetalia was pretty clearly always intended for women and gay guys who like moe.
>Countryballs is superior to hetalia
This is just a retarded take
No. 2551408
>>2551015>self-hating wet blanket fujoshi, rather than the super-cool superior malesAnd we're supposed to be the misogynists according to this obviously autistic pick me hetfag?
>>2551394If Junjo Romantica is too
problematic for you, then you should be filtered out of anime
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>Real life fujoshis can actually be pretty gross in their treatment of real men gay or straight
Thousands of men are scared to go outside after a fujo said they looked gay
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>>2551394Videos make memes like this so eyeroll worthy, yuri fans immediately shit on yaoi and fujoshi to make themselves feel better by comparison.
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>>2551451my reaction when a moid has to feel 1/100th of the sexualization and harassment a girl does
No. 2551470
>>2551461Nta but "you should be filtered out of anime" and "you're a facist" are at two incredibly different levels.
I'm pretty sure anon just meant that if
that is enough to freak you the fuck out then anime in general is probably going to freak you the fuck out.
No. 2553621
>>2553617Pretty sure there's a "yurislayer" chart specifically made to piss himejoshi/yurifags off.
Iirc they didn't forgive Kyoani for having a male love interest in Hibike Euphonium and they either pretend he doesn't exist at all or crap on the story.
No. 2553628
>>2553617I have only seen fujos start to be straight up misogynistic. A female character close to the MC will either become a flanderised turbo-shipper according to fanon or an absolute “bitch”.
Acting like this is a universal thing is disingenuous. I’m sure you’ve seen how in some fandoms all male characters will be liked to varying degrees since they’re shippable while female characters either don’t exist (fine by me, you like who you like), flanderised or are demonised by shippers (what starts to get grating). There’s nothing wrong with hating on a character but
personally it upsets me when specifically there is a sexist edge to it and sometimes it’s like they enjoy all piling on her. I just don’t understand how you can also be a woman and still be ok with calling a character, however fictional, a whore for example - if the character had
actually done something wrong it would say a lot about you imo but still understandable. But when they haven’t it really is uncomfortable.
No. 2553641
>>2553628>I have only seen fujos start to be straight up misogynisticThen you haven't been around long. People to this day
still despise Orihime and Sakura. Shoujo
still has the "evil woman that gets her just deserts", even men will go on a "that fucking bitch" sperg out everytime another woman or mam enters the picture in a romcom or harem.
Because it's normal to fight for a ship and not like other ships. It's always been a part of shipping culture. What's new is the need to morality it into "misogyny/homophobia" when really it's "Your ship has no chemistry", "I don't like gay shit", "That's not my self insert".
No. 2553644
>>2553641>Orihime and SakuraWhere are these from?
>even menWell… duh? Moids are not exactly the paragon of being non-misogynistic kek. Of course moids are misogynistic to female characters as well.
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>>2553609I feel so diconnected from some fujo "friends" because of this. They fully deny the female character hating by fujos, and even the more self aware ones handwave it as "something only 12 year fujos do". I saw a discussion about this on fujochan too where these exact points were being made along with "it's misogyny to criticize fujos", but in the same breath they admitted that they only dislike the "useless whores", not the ass-kicking girl bosses. They do not understand that they have not moved beyond their 12 year old mindset, they just learned to use feminism to mask it.
Personally I have found that women who engage in every type of media (with the strongest focus on female oriented media like shoujo josei bl) tend to not engage in such weirdness as much. I used to be a shoujo manga reader/otome gamer only but have made a lot friends in BL fandoms in the last couple of years, and I've found that almost everyone above a certain age has issues with the portrayal of female characters in media. The more well-adjusted ones learn to curate their content by avoiding obviously misogynistic bullshit works and still read/watch/play stuff with interesting female mcs, but the ones who actually have an internalized blanket hatred of women go like "I will never watch an anime/read a manga/play a game with a female mc" They try to convince others that it's because
>"female characters are sexualized!!"While completely ignoring any recommendations that don't have sexualized female characters. Or they give the recommendation a cursory glance then constantly nitpick at every perceived flaw of the female characters while shipping the male characters together. These people are still stuck in their tumblr era of "het relationships are icky" and it shows. Even as someone who frequently drops manga/anime/games because of sexist and poorly written het relationships, I find their pearl-clutching behavior super fake and annoying, especially when they do this to shows that aren't even about romance. Why are you looking for gay sex in a sfw comedy anime about high schoolers doing club activities? Just read some nsfw bl and get it out of your system.
Before anyone fails reading comprehension and starts coming at me for "hating women for enjoying bl" I literally just finished watching 2 guys kiss and say sappy shit to each other in nu carnival 5 minutes ago. I just don't think my tastes puts me above other women in some stacymeter scale and see other genres for what they actually are, both good and bad.
No. 2553651
>>2553633The fujo in the fandom I'm in take a "that is canon, this is for fun" approach to it and are as much fans of the female characters as they are the men, even doing fanbooks for both sides. It's very "that is that and this is this."
Then again, it's on the niche side and not as fotm, which is where most of the retarded beef is focused at.
>>2553644>Where are these from?…It's a nerd thing shippers know about.
Two female love interests, one wins and gets called a bimbo, a whore, a stupid excuse for a character with no chemistry, no personality, fat tits Mary sue, the other girl should have won. Happens every time.
No. 2553672
>>2553656It's actually funny, nobody denied some fujos do it, but that its a part of shipping. A husbandofag
agrees that she does it, yurifags do it, it's happened in het plenty, but they specifically said that
only fujos do it
>>2553628, that
only fujos
hate women and everybody else just
loves female characters despite anybody on this site for more than a minute can tell that's not true in the slightest.
What type of self hate is needed to go "yup, I'm a fujo and fujos are the ones that hate female characters"?
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>>2553656>some fujo "friends">The more well-adjusted ones>the ones who actually have an internalized blanket hatred of women Obviously I am talking about one specific and loud subset of fujos. I am not ashamed of myself or my other fujo friends who don't act cringe.
As for the woman hate? Yeah it's universal. But the misuse of feminism to hate one female characters and justify their preference for gay sex? That's not something woman-hating men or yumes do.
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>>2553609>by being more canon than it isWhat if it's less canon though
No. 2553772
>>2553672I am just talking about my personal experience. I don’t doubt that all kinds of people engage in misogynistic behaviour. However, in
my experience, I have seen a
disproportionate amount of this behaviour be perpetuated by fujos/shippers. Thus far in my life I have not “yet” seen a yume or yuri stan call a woman a whore but have seen quite a couple of yaoi fans do it. I’m sure they’re out there! That is just my experience - I’m sorry if it goes against what you believe or have experienced but it still doesn’t discredit what I’ve seen. It’s why I feel as though it’s disingenuous to act like there isn’t at least maaaybe slightly more fujos that partake in misogynistic behaviour than other kinds of fans. Like at least a little, right?
>only fujos hate women and “everyone else loves female characters”If you’re going to make an argument, don’t deliberately misinterpret what is being said when you know that isn’t the case. It’s a waste of time. You’re not stupid.
>>2553664>Why are anons treating female characters like irl women that can be affected by misogynyJust as you’re allowed to dislike characters, you’re also allowed to dislike the treatment of characters. No one’s saying that you need to go to jail for it, just that sometimes things can spoil someone’s enjoyment in interacting with a fandom. If something being fictional were grounds enough to never give a fuck about it then why would all the fandom discourse threads on here exist kekk. Truth is, it’s relevant to a lot of us on here.
I mostly am bothered by the things fandoms do to fictional characters in the same way it would if they were real people, though I acknowledge that it’s not the same for everybody. I don’t like when moids treat fictional female characters with misogyny, whether that be by sexualisation or just fandom treatment, just like real women. I don’t like when loli/shotas are sexualised, even though they’re not children being abused, just like real children. I probably wouldn’t like if someone was racist to a fictional character either, just like real people. I don’t think something has to be real to say something about you. But that’s just me.
No. 2553910
>>2553772>Thus far in my life I have not “yet” seen a yume or yuri stan call a woman a whore but have seen quite a couple of yaoi fans do it. I’m sure they’re out there!Yup, they're as out there as misogynistic fujo are.
>Like at least a little, right?Nope.
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>>2553664I think it's strange. Additionally, a lot of female love interests are written so poorly I can't
help but hate them. I won't go out of my way to critique them for something I don't find objectively true, but most of the time I pretend they don't exist at all. Like Sidon's wife. I'm sure she's sweet as a muffin, but I just don't care kek.
Didn't feel like buying BoTW twice so I actually don't know shit about her.I've very rarely met a fujo who outright hated on a female character due to being female. I don't doubt it happens, I'm just more accustomed to them genderbending her, ignoring her existence, or making her the
wingman.
No. 2554304
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a fujo will look you straight in the eye and say without any hint of irony that the one at the bottom is a "male character". It's no wonder they troon out so quickly if they seriously believe that this is what men can look like.
No. 2554817
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>>2554304>It's no wonder they troon out so quickly if they seriously believe that this is what men can look like.The funny thing is that this is who modern yaoi TIFs are happy to look like
No. 2554849
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>>2554817>tifDo tifs like her works? I actually am not too sure about where they lie on it, I'd figure they're too spiteful and cynical for tifs.
No. 2554921
>>2554850they see themselves in Mamiya because he's an ugly rape
victim with substance abuse problems, ignoring that the author's fetish is making pathetic men suffer
No. 2555147
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My favorite anti fujo
No. 2555156
>>2554041ayrt shut up shut up shut up shut up I can't unsee it shut up shut up
>>2554115Not really. I'm more into the designs and the general world buildling lore. Afaik BOTW2 is dogshit in writing, but again, I didn't play it. Making derivative works based on something that is bare bones is part of the fun for me. But I
guess Ganondorf is written alright in Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. Zelda too, though. But, see, I don't hate Zelda or Ganondorf. I like them. A lot. Characters like the Zora prince in TP, or the dynamic of Link's family in WW is nice to me. So, to some extent, I think they can be seen as… neat?
Well written, maybe not. It's not going to move ideologies or have you questioning your own moral compass, but I enjoyed it.
What I enjoy =/= what is well-written, though. Hope that answers your question.
>>2554122This is a beautiful way to word it!
>>2554145It was hard to critique Homestuck ship dynamics back in the day because of this. I
am a fujo, but they ended up disregarding my problems with some het ships due to that. I don't see how that fucks up my credibility; if fan content writes a bitch character to be a woobie, I'm going to have a problem with it. Male or female. Cronus Ampora and Kankri Vantas come to mind.
>>2554304This art is really bad…
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>>2555156>shut up I can't unsee it Alternatively…
No. 2555165
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>>2555147I wanna know how hard she seethes whenever she sees the best sellers on toranoana's women section
No. 2555184
>>2555175I think her internal logic is that fujos are basically female incels while yumes are stacies with 50 billion boyfriends
In reality both are nerds and if they do have a boyfriend he's likely also an otaku. Obviously there's exceptions to this and there do exist typical "Stacy" yumes and fujos but they're definitely a minority and even the pretty ones are more likely to be jirais.
No. 2555236
>>2555203Based and accurate. Why the fuck do people need to be at the center of every fantasy? Like damn can I just watch a man strip or do I
have to fantasize me being there physically to touch him with my hands??
No. 2555239
>>2555236Almost everytime I self insert I end up getting mad anyway
I played an eroge and self inserted as the girl topping during a yuri scene and then starting raging hard when the girl I thought was hot had sex with a man later in the game. It's kinda random with otome and me though, sometimes I self insert and sometimes I just like to ship the characters.
No. 2555987
>>2555199Being a shipper or generic non self-insert romance fan is just like playing with dolls. Writing every single romance story with a self-insert just makes them boring instead of having characters with interesting dynamics.
>>2555903She's big mad her husbando takes it up the ass in most fanworks
No. 2556336
>>2553649politicizing a women’s taste in anime is already retarded. I’m not a fujo and am a big female character fan myself but there’s honestly nothing wrong with a woman not being interested in female protagonists. it doesn’t mean they have “internalized misogyny” or whatever, it’s just a preference. disinterest is not hate. I’d rather people were just honest about their disinterest instead of trying to fake it. personally speaking when I want female protags I don’t bother with anime because it’s usually just moeslop or romance
>>2553644genuinely pointless to talk about weeb shit with someone who doesn’t even know who sakura is
No. 2556512
>>2556413I respect this. My guess is that you'll have to first either find 2D moids attractive or find a 2D moid that looks insanely like a girl. What I think psyops most borderline fujos is art quality. The sexier the art, the more it can fuck up your tastes. I used to HATE
cuntboys. Now I have a single handful of exceptions. Very,
very specific exceptions (aliens) that're closer to true hermaphrodites than anything. Like… insects? A fried of mine got meme'd into
fucking ovipositioning moids of all things due to reading some raunchy (and high quality) fiction. Not my thing, but the world's your oyster with the right gateway drug.
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>>2556974Well, it's not like it was a consensual love story either tbf. It's a spiteful and sad story.
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>>2556993He's a depressed mad scientist fuck up that never took care of himself, he's the same age as the uke.
>>2556984 No. 2557063
>>2555147>A yuricuck would make content for yuri-shipping womenYuricucks are sexually repressed males who cannot actually relate to women because they live in 2d worlds and rightfully feel awkward talking to lesbians. Also I have never read a sex scene written by a yuricuck that I ever felt was actually arousing. There's really no mood because they've never experienced a relationship or sex before. Yuricucks need to get a new day job and meet someone even if it kills them.
Honestly the only himedanshi I actually felt "got it" was this one (confirmed) bi animator about 10 years ago now (who I think nuked all his stuff) that made an animation to this piano-instrumental music, and the story was about a woman and a (female-looking) tree spirit. The video was really emotive to me because it was about keeping the tree spirit alive after construction cut down the tree for commercial buildings. The woman saved this near-dead spirit and they had an intense and healing cohabiting relationship before the woman took the tree spirit to somewhere she could be replanted and live on. The himedanshi himself was deeply repressed though and was an "x-jenda" (mtx) with a boyfriend and then he desisted before the word desisted was even a thing in the west. It seems only himedanshi with life experience of homophobia and same sex relationships are actually capable of producing a yuri work with any substance. Honestly have no idea where he is now but I hope he's doing well.
No. 2557084
>>2555156>they ended up disregarding my problems with some het ships due to that.Kek lemme guess, you had some run-ins with militant DaveJade autists. They woobify Jade
so bad, and flanderize Dave. The men who ship it just want to self-insert as coolguy Dave with nerdy tradwaifu Jade, and the women who ship it just want to self-insert as Jade because they want to fuck Dave. That's not everybody who likes it, obviously, but the overly defensive people specifically are like that.
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>>2556413>I want to join inI mean… I guess the guys in yaoi are fantastical enough that you could theoretically get something out of it if you don't usually prefer men? But like other anons have said, if it was something you'd actually enjoy, you probably would have already gotten into it organically.
t. fujo
No. 2557099
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>>2556336>politicizing a women’s taste in animePattern recognition isn't "politicizing", totally-not-a-fujo nona. Someone's consumption of media doesn't have a direct 1:1 correlation with their irl behavior, but you can still make guesses about a person's general mindset if they are obsessed with something specific and let their obsession leak into interactions with other people. Slightly off-topic but the biggest pickme and tranny apologist I know is also continuously shilling eroge and "queer" media so it's not like I'm claiming fujo = bad, other genre enjoyers = good. The specific type of fujo I'm describing seethes at the existence of women even outside of an anime context and makes her women hatred obvious. To give more insight into my annoyance, here are a few examples of fujos in my close circle who claimed "I totally am feminist(tm) but it's just MUH preference to shit on female characters for existing"
>bi bpd chan who shat on her gf incessantly for liking non fujo media not vetted by her and in the end cut ties with us for not enjoying conflicts in everyday interactions (she acted like an infighter on lolcow 24/7 and sperged out over nothing) and also in media (she dropped stories if they didn't have a toxic dynamic)>hair-trigger temper social failure who liked to brag about being a "real fujo" for not liking anything other than BL and made it her mission to subtly neg at anyone enjoying other genres and sabotaged group viewings if they were not her taste. Also turned into a crazy proshipper or crazy antishipper on different occasions, if rapist hot in her eyes = poor blorbo never did anything bad, if rapist not her type = anyone liking that character is rape applogist and disgusting. Also loved to use bitch/slut/whore etc for both female characters and real women she didn't like>fujo TIF that whined about feeling dysphoric when looking at female characters and claimed she had to only read bl / shounen with hot men because she was a "gay man" and was too manly for other female-oriented media. Loved to draw titchop art of her fav character with a pussy thoughThere are many more examples but I'll stop here because I'm a wagie who has to return to work. So yeah, call me a fun police or whatever, but I just want to enjoy my bl in peace without fujos around me acting uppity about it and treating me like a traitor whenever I enjoy any other genre.
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>>2557380(AYRT. This is a reply to everyone who responded. Thank you all. Rereading it, my post sounds like bait, but it was a completely sincere question. Perhaps I shouldn’t have mentioned yaoi since my question really pertained to 3DPD ships (although of course in fanart they become 2D)).
When I was a preteen I participated in many fandoms, some of them obscure, which either featured or were entirely centred around m/m ships (South Park, Sherlock, Yuri on Ice and AoT were among the more popular ones). Certainly on some level I enjoyed m/m ships, perhaps more for the evident (canon) emotional/homosocial/homoerotic connections and tensions between the characters rather than for any imagined sexual relationships; but I think I was to some extent pretending to like them more than I did so as to fit in with almost every other girl in those fandoms. I read more self-insert fiction (usually fluff) than slash fiction. As for f/f, there weren’t many ships that interested me, for whatever reason. The only two that come to mind are Pearl/Rose and Alphys/Undyne. I have always had a strong preference for women, but as I said I am attracted to men, too. I was confused by this throughout my teenage years and even considered myself a lesbian at one point, because despite my attraction, I didn’t (and still don’t) desire PiV or typical heterosexual sex. So for a while I tried to snuff out my attraction to men and therefore also my enjoyment of m/m ships so that I could ‘legitimately’ call myself a lesbian. Yes, I was that neurotic.
I’ve distanced myself from fandoms altogether in recent years because I now have more important interests towards which I dedicate most of my energy and time. I almost feel embarrassed whenever I browse tumblr, Ao3 or /m/ threads because it feels so juvenile to enjoy what is at the end of the day self-indulgent escapism. But almost invariably, the female friends I make irl are into all of that stuff, and get so much out of it, and I don’t respect them any less for enjoying it. So I wonder whether I should stop considering myself as being above fandom and shipping, and indulge in it once again - this time without any misgivings about my attraction to men, with more confidence in my illustrative and literary abilities, and having come to accept that it can just be a bit of fun (that is, it won’t necessarily distract me from achieving my irl goals). But I certainly don’t want to come across like I’m forcing or faking an interest just to become closer to my friends. At most they have been the catalyst for me to start thinking about shipping again.
Incidentally I began watching Twin Peaks two nights ago and I don’t think I’ve ever been more obsessed with a ship than with Truman/Cooper kekSorry for the blog post. I will take a ‘No1Curr’ ban if the mods see fit. But perhaps my ‘outsider’ perspective will provide more variety to the discussions itt. Thank you again nonas
No. 2557791
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picrel won bl of the year and is getting an anime adaptation, this is just pedophilia
No. 2557823
>>2557791Bit nitpicky and it doesn't really matter but it didn't win "bl of the year". It won the "next generation award". Bl award for comics was something else.
>>2557809>I would love for you to try and explain the premise of it to a normie and watch in real time as you clock how weird it actually is.That could be said for most anime and bl as a whole, tbf. Mushoku Tensei won anime of the year.
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>>2557791It could be worse. I remember, years ago, after I introduced my mum to kissanime she once told me she was surprised that a recent anime she'd watched had incest sex in it between a guy and his younger sister. I was 19 and sitting there looking like picrel because I realised I hadn't briefed her that anime wasn't all like Ouran High School Host Club (her starter anime).
No. 2557879
>>2557099I think your problem is that you surround yourself with the mentally ill, probably because you're mentally ill yourself. None of my own fujo friends are like this, maybe you should make friends who aren't hippies.
Also, female characters aren't people, it hurts literally no one to say mean things about them. And words aren't violence. Check this out: Sakura from Naruto is a bitch whore slut cunt. Now look outside: the sun didn't just crash into the Earth because I said that. Female babies are being systemically murdered in India because of dowries, and you're sitting here crying about how people are mean to Chinese cartoon characters and say yucky words. Get a fucking grip and grow the hell up.
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>>2557881There's a new spinoff.
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>>2557836Pretty sure it won in a publicity subcategory, a "watch out for this artist" type of thing.
No. 2557937
>>2557879Agreed, nobody has any moral obligation to like a character. This is our hobby, we don't have to like well-written female characters either. Also character bashing towards annoying characters is funny most of the time, people are too sensitive nowadays.
Inb4
>Most male characters fujos like aren't well-written either, why not just fix the female characters in fanfiction?The point is that we want to see guys fuck. Most fujos are attracted to men, so we are attracted to male characters. Try asking a male otaku to focus on male characters and see how that goes. Yet we have some obligation to like female ones.