/pt/ - lolcow general

So I wonder what happens when Raven hauls her skanky ass across the Pacific to meet up with a bridegroom she's never met, and discovers they have zero sexual chemustry together.

My theory at this time is the Love That Is Greater Than All Other Loves will not survive the first week, either because of lack of actual attraction, or because of Josh's circumstances / Raven's circumstances. They've both been lying off their respective asses.

Why didshe get loads of birthday shit that she can't take with her? surely a gift of american dollars or useful things would have made more sense

>>438438
Because she's a dumb whore. Seriously, she overestimates and exaggerates her intelligence.

>>438441
inb4 "haha i'm just tricking the haters with false infomation xD"

to the person in the previous thread asking how Rayray gets so many men interested in her: she is damaged and there are weird people out there who are interested exclusively in damaged/victim types. hero complex type shit. men become obsessed with her because she seems to be an eternal victim when they buy into her narrative (everything is always other peoples fault, she is always having huge life crises that normal people have once every decade lmao). she attracts these damaged people who want to fix or take care of her.

>>438446
She also opens her legs. The men she has 'fawning' after her aren't the smartest men around. It's very easy to manipulate stupid men with sex. Logan was a child, and Ryan and Josh are Neanderthals.

Side note: does anyone have the really long video about her and Logan's "story". It seems like she's deleted it. Not surprising since it probably made Josh uncomfortable.

Oh and also someone in the last thread said something about wondering if the people who are supportive and nice to her online and in her videos are farmers. The answer is yes, yes we are. I used to talk to her all the time just to get information. Don't really have the time for it anymore. But it seemed like she would tell anything to anyone if they listened. She would more talk at me than any sort of back and forth.

>>438446
I also think it has something to do with her image. A lot of stupid guys and girls tend to put you on a pedestal if you are alt looking. When I first dyed my hair an unnatural colour (we are allowed it where I work) the random comments I would get from men and the types that would hit on me were weird creeps. They would all try to name drop certain bands/shows and assume I was a certain way and try and treat me like I was 'different' when in reality I'm just some regular bitch with dyed hair. Sage for blogpost, but I think people kind of do this with Raven. Because of her alt look, and the way she stresses to them 'she's not like the other girls', these guys get suckered in. I have a feeling Ryan and Josh have some kind of alternative fetish.
Also, I totally was on Logan's side, until he started being all snarky 'I do what I want to do' and parroting Raven's bit about wanting to pay for her. Fuck you Logan haha, enjoy wasting your cash on this dumb bitch.

>>438557
Can't agree with this more! I have a fair few tattoos and bright hair and I have this one guy who follows me around my gym total goth ( works out in studded belts and cuffs he's perfect for RayPal ) but I'm very normal, People get weirded out when they meet my very normal very all American husband ( I'm British )

TLDR Weird guys are naturally attracted to alt girls.

I find it hilarious 3 people got her brand new phones and she sold 2 of them. The one she's keeping? Aint gunna fucking work over in the US.

>>438626
not defending her, but it will if you can put a sim in it.

>>438557
As an alt person I have experiencd the same. I have pircings, people think I like pain. I Hate pain. Or they think I'm kinky. I'm just plain Jane in the bedroom.

Now I don't want sound rude or offensive. Not trying to trigger or race bait. Do you guys have a Asian fetish or just an alt fetish?

In past experiences I know some half girls get no attention until they say they're half asian, and then guys are just blowing up their phone. Couple other girls I know get guys that come out of no where and ask for merriage and shower them gifts.

Now I'm not saying this happens to every girl. Just past experiences from some of my friends. Hope I understood the rules.

>>438653
>>438562
Sage goes in the email field.

>>438557
Unfortunately Logan isn't going to mature and gain confidence in himself until Ray Piggy leaves. For now he's still her puppet.

>>438446
Thanks for replying. White knight complex makes sense.

>>>/pt/438335

After the split, Logan appeared to make his own Logan Marshall account, with none of the telltale touches of Raven's interference.

But now the old Logan Sparks (Raven controlled) account has changed to the name Marshall and a deceptively similar profile pic. It still has pictures that are probably Raven's doing, and is public while the account he made is private. So if you talk to Logan Marshall with a community college listed for him, you're really still talking to Raven.

>>438557
I did lose respect for him when he hung out with her again, had shaved his beard, and appeared to be less grumpy (probably got words from Raven about last time)

I'm giving him just a little longer to come to his senses but if he stays in contact long after she moves, she'll be in the same category as Lainey of Onion fame - a victim turned accomplice.

>>438672
If he sends her money in America, or helps her to get back to NZ, he's toast. he needs to shut that gate. She's playing him off against Ryan for 'most attentive ex-husband' right now. This can go on for years if he lets it.

Did she not say Josh is going to spend 7-8k to get all her shit over to america?
If he doesnt have a bed to sleep on, where the fuck is he gonna get that money from? I know she said something along the lines of it taking a year or more, but honestly who would waste that money on (I'm assuming) useless material items?

>>438731
There's no way it could even cost that much to move it, just no way. There's also no way she can take the same amount of crap on the plane for $200. She's got plenty in hand right now with the two phone sales also.

Raven's leaving it there like an anchor, will get Logan to look after it and tend to it, and give him some reason to stay bound to her. And some kind of safety net in her mind, something that connects her back to NZ. Imagine if she keeps getting Ryan and Logan to buy her shit and add it to the pile. After all, Ryan owes her that cushion…

Joshua didn't get her a birthday present!

>>438743
did you see this somewhere?

>>438731
Shes full of shit or she doesn't know how to shop around. We have family from India that brought back almost their whole apartment (including packing for you, and unpacking when they deliver(also US based)) all for under 5k.

>>438745
That kind of white-glove service is expensive for sure. Raven isn't going to get it all lovingly packed by someone then unpacked at the other end. Even if she's dumb enough to try and take cheap furnishings, she still couldn't have that much.

>>438540

She wrote much of the story verbatim on her wedding page:

http://www.mywedding.com/ravenandlogan/stories.html

Photos that were in the video:

http://www.mywedding.com/ravenandlogan/photo_783700_23563161.html

What's the bet Josh disappears and goes off the radar, uses his new wages to move somewhere she doesn't have the address of, so she arrives and is stranded at the airport?

He's looking down the barrel of having to ship all that useless stuff and find a place to fit it all, on a courier's salary. Plus he's had more time to find out what she's like, including being hassled while he's at work by her phone calls. I think he'll do a runner soon.

Raven went with Ryan cuz he had all the time in the world to talk online with her. He bought her stuff. He was supportive.
Turns out he was a stupid useless piece of shit living out of his parents house.
She got bored of him. Accused him of rape, dumped him.

She went with Logan who was a highschool kid. He had all the time in the world to be around her.
They married, she made him get a job to support them. He was not around anymore.
She got bored. Accused him of having a porn adiction and dumped him.

She met Josh. He had all the time in the world to talk to her. He supported her online, gave her attention. She found out he had no home, made him get a job.
Now he works long hours… he is not around all the time anymore…

How long until she gets bored?

>>438668

Logan has always had his own account which appears in this screencap from Raven's birthday video >>435018 and others.

When Raven is chatting with Claudia in the Ugh video, she tells Josh that Claudia had sent a friend request to "Logan's old account" which she alone controls.

>>438757
How did I miss that? Too much milk at once in that leak.

It's a wonder that he let his mum talk to that profile and not know to steer clear.

It's very weird she still monitors that account and doesn't leave it alone already. How can Logan be ok with her impersonating him on a fake account, I'll never understand.

>>438744
she made huge deals how every one got her presents and spoilt she was by strangers and her ex's but NO mention of josh at all. if i was engaged and making a video about what i got the first thing i would talk about would be what my husband to be got me. but no word at all

>>438760
theres a good chance he doesnt know

>>438762
He didn't get her anything because she doesn't want money involved in their relationship silly! It's totally fine for her ex's to constantly give her money and buy her shit she's said she can't take with her even with them knowing she's leaving but Josh? Nope. He isn't husband yet so is put on the back burner until Oct 6th. and then all the thousands he makes as a FedEx guy will be spent on her. Don't you see, that's why Claudia only wanted Josh again?! Because of how much money he was making and totally didn't live with his mom!

Sarcasm aside, this makes her look even more awful than when she was with Logan and constantly bitching about not having money to buy food yet was always getting in new hauls and buying shitty clothes. I wonder if couchboy knows about that? Like knows if RayRay starved her family just so she could buy stuff she never wears or uses. I hope he is looking forward to all those wonderful home cooked meals of contaminated mashed potatoes and eggs she cooked since he supposedly wants her as a housewife. But then again, she'll be back in her America and will go to Taco Bell for every meal and eat on it for a week.

Josh used to actually be kinda handsome, Meth is a hell of a drug….

>>438777
That really him? O.O

>>438777
>>438780
watch out, slut whores! he's raven's!

>>438780
Yeah it's on his Facebook !

Speaking of that why would you trade Claudia for Raven bet he's kicking himself now

>>438787
Like the other anon said, Josh thinks he's gonna get some freak sex goddess. When in reality he's gonna get a mall goth grandma that can't even cook because of her "back" lmaoooo.

The move can't come soon enough guys.

>>438762
My bet is on Raven having a second birthday with Josh when she gets to the US. It will be lame and sad, just like that time Raven and Logan went to that swanky restaurant with the money from the sale of the kittens for their anniversary. Josh will also have to borrow his mothers car to take Raven to the nearest mall so she can force him to buy a bunch of useless American crap to replace her bunch of useless NZ crap.

>>438787

Claudia is a cutie, but honestly, she's the one who dodged a bullet. And her kid too.

As terrible as he is, I still feel kind of sorry for Josh since he clearly has no idea what he's gotten himself into. He's not anywhere near the same league of Raven's awfulness.

Ugh whenever she films herself at the mall grabbing her bags or packages from the sales clerks, she's SO RUDE!! She just grabs them and quickly walks away without a word. Not even a small thanks!

>>438822
and the clerk is clearly uncomfortable with her filming but she doesnt care. shes an awful person

>>438787
Giant almond eyes, olive skin, neatly groomed eyebrows and fresh, clean long hair. Meanwhile, he's moving on to a hag with saggy eyelids, disgusting clogged skin from not washing, sharpie eyebrows and 2-dollar bleached crispy hair. You earned it Josh! I hope you're excitedly waiting for your broken down mall goth to arrive in October! Let's hope you have a vehicle for her, are around enough to emotionally satisfy her insecure ass, have a house a bed and furnishing in a few weeks! I know fedex salaries are high enough that you'll be able to rent out a hotel room per night and save up for a home if you don't have enough time.

So i looked through her goth boys page for the first time. She has albums dedicated to quite a few of my friends and she has a picture of my bf when he was 16. Wild. I wonder if they know about ravens antics.
>>438626
I put an o2 sim card in my american phone when i moved to germany and it worked fine. But she's a vapid cunt.
>>438777
Fugg. I'm gonna put it up to good lighting and the right angle.

Only 4 hours left to bid on the unwanted gift!

https://touch.trademe.co.nz/listing/view/1424103148

I'm finally sitting down to watch (with adblock) some of her videos for the first time in ages and my god, I forgot how awful she is. Logan looks miserable. What a spectacle she must be, too; a greasy, unwashed, overweight, older woman wearing ridiculous tacky clothing with her boobs hanging out clomping through the mall with a teenager while she films the entire thing with a straight face. Absolutely wild.

>>438952

The S8 sold for $775 to the bidder who asked for the IMEI number.

It was given to her by someone in NZ.

>>439215

She was supposed to have cancelled a bid as requested.

She bought a case for the Note8, so she appears to be keeping it.

>>439219
she'll be shopping up a storm. trust. all very important stuff to go in the storage.

You know she's 'fooled' us all and the 6th isn't the day she's leaving. Bet it's a day or two before. She thinks she's such a mastermind

>>438749
>Then my 3rd and most recent husband stepped in to "save" me, making me think he truly was "the one". However- he ended up being just like my 1st husband, but without the hitting. He brought me here and stopped me from meeting anyone, going out without him, using a phone without him listening on the other end, talking to my son alone or even watching a movie with him- even if the three of us were in the same room! He put key loggers onto the computer to monitor everything I did and basically treated me like a wanton slut that needed jailing- even though it was him that couldn't be trusted. When my dad was dying and we went back to the States to help my mom, I caught him online looking at porn and trying to find other girls to have sex with. We had been married 4 months by this time! When I asked him why he would do this to me, he said it was because I had "changed". Of course I did! My dad was dying! Through the next 4-5 years, he kept on getting caught looking at porn and chatting up other girls, while key-logging and screenshotting me, stopping me from even having friends online. I was fed up and miserable. All I wanted to do was die. It just seemed that no matter how careful I was, or what I did, I never made the right choices and never came out on top, or even had it halfway easy. My life was always in ruins, with people wanting nothing more than to control me!

Farmers, this is who she's been staying with for the last month, per her wedding story. Who she's using in a "my exes are showering me with gifts" story to make Couchboy jealous.

>>439242

Never forget

>>12373
>>12471

>>439241

Screencap of her Expedia itinerary >>434748

>>439242
I like how that is all on her wedding website. How….romantic? Even her freaking wedding is a medium for her to complain about her life.

While we are on the topic, she and Logan are legally married, contrary to her attempt to cast doubt in her latest rant at us.

>>439267
'Raven's Story' clocks in at just under 5000 words, half of which are 'rape' what a diehard romantic.

I give it a month before Josh joins the unholy ranks of the sinister shadowy figures who just want to control poor innocent little Raven.

>>439389
vomit-inducing.
sounds like pedo/ephebophiles who are always on about how young girls don't LOOK young and so it's perfectly normal to be sexually attracted to them.

I was watching her latest video ( with Adblock of course raven )

My husband walks past and says, Fuck she's a train wreck

Best day ever

>I must confess- out of desperation and the need to urgently help him come here, I became a prostitute. It's something I will never, ever do again, and I hate myself for it. All this, I did for him, and how did he repay me? He left me for one of my online friends.

Holy crap. I didn't know she sold her body. I though ya'll were just joking about that. Wow. That really explains a lot. I'm totally 100% convinced (not that I wasn't before) that she's Borderline. There's no two ways about it. It's kinda sad.

>>439498
I… can't believe this shit is on her wedding site…..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z80rap5bhtY&list=PLj9C5ZUyNC5_kBK2A8-93hEIOfQ2F0S9g&index=4

Playlist won't show. But follow the link to see Raven admitting to killing and torturing small animals at 2:28 mins into the video

>>439504
Oh boy, thats the old vids which were in her old youtube ch.
She talks all about her childhood and first husband.
This is right when she got to NZ and was still in love with Ryan.
The rainbow rape story is there somewhere.

She will take it down once she sees it here, I would reupload if I could, but Im on my tablet.

>>439504
jesus christ i do wonder if shes just trying to be super edgelord it seems she embellishes everything in this story i couldnt put either past her honestly

>>439498
Is this CJ that left her for an online friend? I suppose a different online "friend" than he was married to at the time?

>>439504
She says she tried to commit suicide by taking triglycerides, albuterol, and iron tablets.

I get teenagers can be uneducated on this stuff but why throw in the detail that you tried to kill yourself with a dietary supplements, asthma meds, and I assume she means anti-triglyceride medication (or fish oil pills)

Makes me think she hasn't embellished, at least not consistently, because a bullshitter wouldn't leave that embarrassing fuck up in deliberately.

>>439504
This is Raven in all her glory.
How long untill we have a updated version of this series in her couch in USA?

>> I was taken advantage of, being extremely naive. I was also raped early on- not yet 12 years old.
>>One boy wanted to break up with me, and instead of just doing it, he set me up to be raped by his own brother. I was 13.
>>To cut right to it, I was raped by four guys that night, and got jumped and knocked unconscious by one jealous girlfriend at school the next day when the guys bragged about it.
>>a guy I was staying with (who had raped me in front of my friend
>>The girls who robbed me, broke my things, set me up to be raped and homeless.
>>One told me that if I didn't have sex with him, he would rape me.
So it is safe to say raven has never been raped. This shit is so fucking fake it makes me sick. She's such an awful just vile and disgusting person.

>>439657
yeah really all this bullshitting about being raped makes people who really were seem like theyre lying

https://www.youtube.com/user/LeonbergerLoverNZ/videos

This channel was listed on her Raven Sparks II channel. It's a channel
with videos of what pets she had at the time with Ryan and of her pets when she was with Logan.

>>439691
Her past with animals makes me incredibly sad. She doesn't deserve to have them. I wonder what happened to all the cats/dogs/rabbits/younameits throughout the years. I'm hoping they are being loved somewhere but that might be too optimistic of me.
>>439597
Yeah I believe she was talking about CJ

>>439657
Ok, I take it back, she definitely has embellished and then some.

>>439504
I started listening to the first part and 5 mins in its full of contractions. Claims she was hated at kindergarten because her Mum taught her how to read and write and the other kids didn't like it - 2 mins later 'my mum didn't know any England, she couldn't read or write. Get your story straight ray

>>439852
I know kids can be crule but cmon…. For -everyone- to hate her, even kindergarten children?? Give me a break. And ofc it's for some brilliant reason like "I was too smart for them" and not maybe like "they saw me kicking a cat", which I would believe more.

I couldn't get past the part where she said she would torture the animals first. I didn't think I could hate that bitch more than I already do.
I bet she would still hit her pets to this day when they annoy her.

>>439856
She is absolutely ridiculous.
This is why Raven is my favourite cow - she tries so hard to be sympathetic and the victim, but she will never succeed. She lies about absolutely everything, and even seems to convince herself of her own bullshit.
She wishes so hard she was a victim (all the lies about rape, bullying and abuse), but when people actually do talk shit about her, she seems absolutely scandalised that anyone could not like her or be on her side.
Every person in her life who isn't creepily obsessed with her has ended up disliking her, yet she can't see that the commonality in every relationship is her.

She's fundamentally unlikeable and a demonstrably bad person, so it's impossible to feel bad for her because she brings allllllll of this on herself.

Raven's udders may be saggy and old as fuck, but her milk is a fine vintage.

>>439856
I call bullshit on the kindergarten thing too. If they really did all hate her and it was anything to do with reading ability, it'd be more likely she teased them for not reading or bragged about it. I can't imagine kindy kids giving a fuck otherwise.

Also, it doesn't show that she is smart at all. Lots of average people were taught reading before kindergarten and lots of high iq people didn't learn beforehand or even had trouble to begin with.

>>439871
AND she also lied about it clearly, as this anon states:

>>439852

She can't keep up with her own bullshit lies.

>>439220

Let the last minute spree begin!

>>440277

He can keep Annabelle company in storage.

>>440277

Is this a weight loss device?

>>440282
Are the prices in NZD or USD?

>>440277

I hope Josh can find a place with a large enough stable for all of Raven's ugly unicorns.

>>440284

NZD. Current exchange rate is 1 = 0.72 USD.

>>440282

For the price of 2 burritos, it had better be!

>>440288
wew boy and here I thought she was wasting a shit ton of money on a fucking doll. Well thats not to say its not nothing in usd.

>>440279

I bet she bought it for Josh since Chucky was his background image on Facebook when they met.

Someone please shoop his head onto the Chucky doll!

>>440293
I bet she didn't. since when has she given a single solitary fuck about anyone else.

>>440296
I bet she told him she loves Chucky movies since she is SO into horror and the 'proof' is gonna be that doll.

>>440503
>M

Jeez look at all this garbage. She's a classifiable hoarder.

>>439504
Wow, she tortured and killed small animals.
Jesus christ.
Serial killer in the making.

>>440503
Ratbaby leggings… pretty sure Emily Boo mentioned them recently. But you know, Raven totes doesn't know anything about that

Holy waste of petrochemicals, Batman. Where is she getting this clearance bin shite sent to at this late date?!

>>440515
Yep Emily has them, but Raven's not copying her you guuuys she obviously had planned to buy those leggings years before Emily did. Also size M? lmao yeah right, unless they run super large

>>440282
>>440282
>>440503
I thought she said in her bday video that she didn't wear leggings…?
lol@size medium fitting her too

>>440556
OH WELL THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THEN

>>440279>>440282>>440286
Just the essentials, yo

>>440568
Damn even on tiptoes her ass looks sad and flat.

shes so desperate to be emily!

lol she's got that body type that's very specific to fat Asian women and it's so unfeminine and unattractive even when they drop a lot of weight.

What I don't understand is why the fuck is she buying all this shit and she is about to move across the planet? Doesn't she SUPPOSEDLY have to spend $7k-$8k just to bring all of her stuff to the US? Why in the hell would you add more to the hoard?

This does not compute.

I took a quick gander at Dorian's FB. He and his gf moved in together and seem to be happy. They are super cute together.

Dorian living his best life post Rayray's abuse.

>>440593
Because she's a fucking idiot and all she cares about is material possessions.

>>440593

Don't be so hard on her, anon. She bought a suitcase!

She has a 50% off promo code for her viewers for contact lenses. She bought a pair for herself for $24 including expedited shipping.

She is on her way to get what will definitely be her last tattoo which will be her first on her right leg. She doesn't know when she will show it to us because she won't be depilating her legs until right before she leaves so that she can be as perfect as possible when she sees Josh in 8 days.

>>440885
wah wah no money left for excess baggage fees. help pls.

>>440904
Haha and the registration's due, isn't it? Plus the fees and admin of transferring ownership. Plus I bet it is very well maintained.

>>438770
>>438750

http://www.truckdriverssalary.com/fedex-driver-salary/

Sorry girlies, but I just have to address this, even if it is nitpicking.

I am a logistics load manager with a very well respected fleet and I can tell you that FedEx is one of the highest paid fleets in the world. The average FedEx driver's salary is around $70,000 annually, and drivers with seniority make upwards of $100000. However, these salaries are for long-haul drivers–not light delivery drivers (van driver). Even still, the light delivery drivers make a respectical average of $24.00 per hour, which is nothing to sneeze at. Also, FedEx drivers usually get annual rage increases on average of about $1000. Not to mention that both types of drivers earn very healthy bonuses and enjoy excellent benefits.

I would have to assume that he is a light delivery driver, that is unless he already has a CDL, which I highly doubt. It usually takes some time to get a CDL, and the timespan between her demanding he get a job and him actually landing this wonderous job from Elysian Fields was too short to earn his CDL in time to qualify for driving tractor-trailers. In addition to this, FedEx long-haul drivers need thousands and thousands of safe miles under their belts to even qualify for an interview–this of course being due to their high pay.

If Josh is indeed running for FedEx, then he is making good money. FedEx is also a very well respected fleet in the trucking industry. Some may still believe the stereotype of truck drivers being smelly, uncouth, imbecilic louts, but in reality it is not a job for losers.

TL;DR–Josh does have a very good job if he is indeed running for FedEx, and he won't be couch-surfing for very long.

>>440568
'Pay no attention to the stupid cat fur'
Then why not take a photo somewhere else or clean it up Raven?

>>440981
Sage for off-topic, but holy shit. That really isn't bad money, assuming there's probably decent benefits for full time drivers on top of it. Well well Gravy Ravy, looks like you lucked out with Couchboy.

>>440981
I was going to say it too.. My best friends hubby makes enough for multiple vacations and a fairly large house and she's just a bartender so he does fairly well off.

Sorry, logistics load managerfag again, but I forgot to add that if he is running for FedEx then there is no way in hell that Josh is using drugs. If they are anything like our fleet then FedEx pee tests randomly, and on the regular.

Sage

>>440981

The webpage you cite states

>Long Haul…This position, according to company employees, is meant for only owner-operators

He doesn't own his own truck.

>>440987

Agreed. My half brother works for a competitor and the drivers have great pay considering that the education level is low. It's not 100k. But the benefits are good. However the stress is high. You get followed by the tracking system and it is looked at regularly.

No time to piss away talking to anyone. You are always moving. Also yes they drug test the shit out of you. My worthless two cents.

>>440981
Are you challenging Raven to waste all his money?

He could be Fedex CEO for all I care, she will toss it all away in bad tattoos, fast food, unicorn plushes and funko dolls.

>>440981
>get annual rage increases
that's so raven.

>>441018

Can you please learn to read? Anon said that Josh is likely NOT long haul but a local driver doesn't matter because Fed Ex still pays well.

>>440987
I had thought his twitching was neurological maybe? He did do service in Iraq.

She moaned when Logan was working all the time and josh has only just started his job which means he won't be able to book holiday days off. Does that mean she's going to the US and then he's going straight to work the next day or same day?

>>440981

If he is working as a FedEx Ground delivery driver, he is working for a contractor and without benefits or PTO.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/FedEx-Ground/reviews?fjobtitle=Delivery+Driver&fcountry=ALL

She just posted her latest matching tattoo with Logan on fb (after buying matching shirts and socks with him on her birthday) This woman is unbelievable, surely she's taking the piss at this point. Joshua can't possibly be cool with this

>>441087
>>441087
Caps?

>>441089
This just tells me that when Josh rolls her ass out the door for not being a freak in the sheets like her pictures show then she'll be back with Logan in NZ.

Lord Jesus, this is the ride that never ends.

>>441089
She's mental can you imagine if Josh had a matching tattoo with Claudia?!

It'd be like that scene from saw 3 where the guy cuts the tattoo off his own neck

>>441089
Funny that on those Q&A she said that she would cover some of her tattoos with Logan, but not the matching ones because they were 'too many'.
And she just got another one?
BTW, why do those matching tattoos always look better on Logan? That 'tattoo artist' must really hate Raven.

>>441089

Can anyone verify that she posted it only on her Raven Sparks account and not on her Raven Bradley account?

It's almost as if she is trying to maintain concurrent separate identities with each relationship.

>>441093

But he has yet to get his ex-wife's name covered or his Raven finger tattoo as he promised.

>>440899

She bought a second pair of red contact lenses for $24 after buying a pair of red contact lenses for $47 >>440502

>>441089
This design is kind of cute, but too bad it's joining Raven's garbage clutter.

Raven seems to be really acting out since Josh got his job. She desperately needs attention and validation. Josh, I can't wait till you get this pig in your home (when you get one).

I'm ravens birthday video Logan buys a Harry Potter shirt, and a sort of similar one for raven but in a woman's cut. When raven goes back to the mall later with her other ex she has him buy the same men's Harry Potter shirt that Logan had bought himself. Idk I thought that was wicked strange..

>>441089
hers isnt straight

Anyone else think she's trying to cover as many of her leftover bare spots before she gets to the U.S. to create the illusion that she's not as fat? Like how she essentially just recently CONTOURED her neck, with tattoos.

She always thanx for the haters for giving her money and rambles on about how many views her channel has but they're all cat videos. Literally all her popular videos are the cat ones aside from the one about Cj which she stole from Emily any way. I do particuraly love how emilys channel shows up on her profile that must grate on rayray

>>441100

But one has a black background and the other a white background, so she just had to get both.

>>441107

The pic was not taken straight. She posted a pic of herself standing on her community account. Hers is a bit less detailed than Logan's and is missing the shadow near its base. It looks like a cross between Jack Skellinton and a Copypasta and as gloomy as Logan. I tried cropping it and reverse image searching but got nothing.

Do delivery drivers ride in the passenger seat though?
My husband worked for UPS after high school and while the job paid well with good benefits it was not an easy job. They expect you to bust some serious ass - no walking you run everywhere and you move fast, there's a lot of memorization involved and the quotas are very strict. If he's working in the warehouse as a freight loader it's hot and grueling with very few breaks, maybe enough time to cram and sammich in your mouth and chug a bottle of water before your boss is on your ass.

I can't see this as something long term for couch boy. Having a boss yell at you all day, then having a fat scary monster yelling at you at home all night is too much stress. Maybe it's just the accent but he comes across as boarderline retarded to me and there is no time to sit around and smell your fingers at FedEx. He'll be back at uncles nursery in no time.

>>441131
I figured the image was flipped since he was probably using the selfie cam.

Which is funny to think Raven demanded him to watch the video then and there, while he was DRIVING

>>441097
She posted on Raven Sparks on friends only. I don’t see the other account anymore, so it looks like it may be gone again. Josh posts to this account so he does see it.

>>441119
does she go outside like this??

>>441131

The reviews of the various FedEx positions are in line with your husband's descriptions.

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/FedEx-Ground/reviews?fjobtitle=Delivery+Driver&fcountry=ALL

>>441139

No way would he be using his phone and driving, a major violation of the rules of the job. That video was recorded right after he got the job, if not during his first week, while he was in training as Raven stated. Using his phone as a passenger is also probably against the rules, hence his telling her that it wasn't a good time for her to call. He was glancing down at his phone and did not speak which indicates that he was watching her video on the sly.

>>441165

She posted it a few hours later on her community page. Despite her apprehension about her hairy leg she is unable to resist compulsively showing-off.

She posted a new video talking about Logan and her among other things.

Saying how lolcow always came between them and they never had their relationship to themselves.
Is she dumb? Just don't look at the site Raven. No one was ACTUALLY interfering in your relationship. It's your stupid fat ass that checks here regularly.

Her entire new video makes it sound like she's just with Josh because it would be mean to leave him and get back with Logan. I know I'd be thrilled with that if I was Josh lmao.

I really hope that Dorian can talk some sense into Logan once Raven has left.

Sage for not contributing, but how in the fuck are people like her able to live a life such as this? I'm busting my ass day in and day out trying to survive. And this lady gets a free pass? God shes in for it when she hits the states.

Extracting the subtitles now so you don't have to listen to her blather and give her views.

highlights from the new video:

> complains that NZ wages are too low, despite not working a day in her life there and NZ minimum wage being higher than US.

> says she's gained a "little bit" of weight from starving herself. good one, Raven. all those anorexic people always gain weight too.

> says she is used to smalltown USA and that small isn't the problem, despite whining for years about how small NZ is.

> says her brother and sister don't speak to her, and that she hates Dorian's "stupid little fucking bitch girlfriend" and that she's a big part of why they're not talking. Raven, how can you not see that you're the only common denominator here?

> says her tailbone has magically stopped hurting and she wants to work.

> complains for a good five minutes about NZ's lack of junk food and how much better it is in America.

> reiterates that Josh likes bigger women. she is gonna get huge over there with the fast food and Josh feeding her.

> she seems really not excited about the US and keeps giving reasons as to why it won't be that great. seems the delusion is wearing off.

She contradicts herself 1000 times in this new video.

Btw Raven… I have 3 pistols and 3 Rifles and it's almost hunting season bitch!(calm down)

I've never heard anyone ever say NZ doesn't do spices lol. That's the thing cow, you can go buy chicken and spices and make "spicy chicken". I live in Sweden and I don't remember ever seeing spicy chicken anywhere? I just make my food spicy if I want it spicy.

This bullshit is also coming from a woman who thinks everything is uber expensive. She probably never tried proper food there in a "normal" restaurant. Like anyone would ever trust her for NZ advice, geez.

>>441232
She is spewing all this bullshit and you can clearly hear someone is in the same room. Does that person really agree with all her "facts" on NZ? "everything is bland" kek.
I watch a few NZ vloggers and their food doesn't look anything close to being bland.

Said what she earned from selling the phones is going towards the move.
I guess she made that video before seeing there's screenshots of her buying pointless bullshit again lol.

Complaints how hard it is living there, how hard it is to save up… And then goes to say everyone there has money and just throws it around. "I'm like, how do you have all this money?? But they just do"

No, they don't just magically have it. They earn it, hag. Work. Ever heard of that?

>hopefully I won't be looked at as a witch and then fucking shot or something

You are not Misty Day and this is not American Horror Story: Coven.

>>441238

Maybe relax

>>441232
Why is anyone allowed to be such a garbage human being? seriously… She acts like her shit doesn't stink. Sage for mico rant.

>>441231

So, Josh is a feeder and a BBW lover.
He will get her fat and miserable in no time. Just grab a popcorn and wait.

Funny how much she kept saying she is 'not as thin anymore'BITCH YOU WERE NEVER THIN, ARE YOU DELUSIONAL?

Also, now that she is 'not that thin', her tailbone does not hurt. But it did hurt before she got the surgery, right? Her logic makes no sense.

She is so regretting the decision. And if she thinks Josh is gonna let her stay in touch with Logan… just you wait Rayray.
That's your grave, and you just dug it.

Thanks for the summary, anon. Absolutely disgusting woman. I do wonder how Raven will react when Logan gets a girlfriend. No matter what, Raven will be furious. Just like Dorian, she'll be insulted and demeaned because Raven hates women. However, Josh doesn't seem like a cuck and I wonder how long he'll put up with Raven's insanely dramatic life.

>>441231
She sounds like she regrets leaving Logan but now its too late to go back to him because of josh. She admitted she is bad st saving money and the tattoo thing was bad planning so she was never serious about moving as we know. She also seems to be trying to talk herself into staying with josh? She could go back to her husband lol many couples get back together like that. She could put a 5 year relationship before a few month one. Must be hard to choose a plane ticket over your “love of your life”.

It also sounds like josh may be not as ok with Logan as Raven wanted, if Logan does move to the US raven isn’t into him visiting anymore. She was ok with 3 guys on her until she had to realize that most guys will be protective of their partner. Josh is just being polite at this point it was never going to be a friendly thing.

>>441232
Man, that vitriol aimed at Dorian's gf, who is like what, 16 or 17? If my mother talked like thatvand acted like that about someone I loved, she'd be cut out too. You don't keep cancer around.

Also, wtf is Logan doing?!! Holy crap dude, you were almost free. Don't let her back in the door, are you fucking insane??

>>441371
What about that girls mother? If I knew some 41 year old whore was talking shit about my child I would be looking for an address so i could personally deliver an ass beating.

totally agree. she has always disliked the girlfriend too, it's so pathetic. the only reason she's ever cited for the hatred and vitriol is the gf's "annoying voice" and that she was rude to Raven (and even then the only example was that she came into Raven's house without asking, when that's Dorian's fault for telling her she could).

she needs to be the only woman in Dorian's life and it's painfully obvious that's her reason for disliking the gf. she's so disgusting, treating teenage girls like absolute shit and calling them slut, cunt, bitch, etc.

you're hopeless, Rayray.

That video is gold! She sounds in love with Logan and sounds like shes regretting getting with Josh and wants logan back!

>>441181
She's also the one who chose to publicise their relationship, and relay the info from lolcow to Logan, who apparently doesn't live on the internet like Raven does.

>>441168
Why yes anon, yes she does.

>>441379
We would know nothing about either them if she didn't overshare constantly. Bitch, get off youtube and we wouldn't be able to interfere. Though our interfering is only talking garbage on a practically unknown part of the internet. She became obsessed with us and every comment drives her insane because this negative attention is the only part of her life where she gets the amount of attention she needs.

>>441371
I would certainly beat the fuck outta out of Raven if she was talking about my child. I could understand thinking your son's girlfriend is a brat, but speaking about this child as a peer shows how low her intelligence is.

>>441181
She couldn't resist showing up on kiwifarms, to start shit, either.

>>441382
Well of course lol. She can't pass up an opportunity to run her cock sucker.

>>441381
She also seems to make major life decisions around her haters. Her latest video sounds like she didn't think she'd end up leaving anymore than we did, but once she saw us point it out, she made it happen.

It's pathetic. She only cares what people think of her in all the wrong ways.

>>441248
Diana's last job, I think, was as a prostitute.
Think about that. Her last gainful employment was selling her flesh for money.

>>441384
this is so true. i feel like by saying she and Logan's relationship was real, she was trying to get a dig in like "see, even though you broke us up, what you said wasnt true!!!" but like…that just makes it even worse for her. we don't suffer from that at all, she just loses a husband she actually loved.

>>441388
She's in love with attention not Logan. She's changing her mind now that Logan is giving her more attention since she's moving. If what most of Raven is saying is truthful and I'm thinking it's somewhere in between. She does make him seem like he's the ultimate cuck.

In one of her recent previous videos, she points out that she and Logan talk all the time and hangout. Then in this video, she contradicts herself by saying they rarely speak or see each other.

I laughed so hard when she said she really needed the money from selling her S8. If you need money so bad bitch quit spending it… Fucking simple. I know plenty of people here have said the same shit. She is a walking contradiction.

>>441247
That $35 cupcake pillow is very important for the move though!

>>441244
I feel like she said that anniversary meal with Logan was the first time in her life she had been to an actual restaurant?

>>441396
I think Josh must have yelled at her for spending too much time with Logan now he is working 'all the time' to buy a new couch.

Does anyone else feel like in her latest video, Raven was trying to convince herself that she was excited to meet Josh? Like if she said it enough it would happen kek.

>>441391
Exactly. The more Logan is doing what she wants him to do, the more she suddenly 'cares' for him. Logan should watch it, he's about to escape here and shouldn't fuck that up - unless he wants to be miserable and poor forever.

>>441417
this is exactly how it sounded.
she sounded like she was really apprehensive and worried and finally realising that maybe putting your entire life in one random ass person's hand on the other side of the world is not such a great idea.
she kept coming back to how nervous she was, how she isn't sure Josh will like her, how she hopes they'll get along.

you know, Raven, this is why LDR people tend to actually take some time to get to know each other BEFORE moving to another country for the other person.

>>441231
>>441231

Final Thoughts Before Moving Back Overseas

All right, so this is just a kind of…this is just a kind of a retrospective chatty video that I wanted to make lets thinking about this earlier when I was driving to my tattoo appointments. I kind of wanted to make a video before I left here since I'm leaving in about 7 days now. I want to talk about this whole moving situation and how it affects me, what's in my head yada yada yada. I don't really know what I'm gonna say, where I'm gonna go with with this. I just know I just want to open my mouth and just let words come out.

So, uh, first of all, I'm moving very soon. I didn't think it was gonna happen. Most of you guys didn't think it was gonna happen. But it is happening. It is gonna happen. It is a shock to the system because I didn't think it was gonna happen. Yeah, I mean…I've got a cupcake scented cupcake pillow this is adorable, sorry, I just…I'm, like, sitting here smelling it! [pic related] Um…I've been trying to go home for so long, and I started thinking it was never gonna happen, you know. I wanted to go home, just to go home. I wanted to go home when my mom had a stroke. I wanted to go home to start a new life with Logan, and shit just kept happening and happening, and I was, like, thinking to myself, I'm never gonna see America again, I'm never gonna be back, I'm never gonna go home ever again, I'm gonna die here, and it wasn't a very nice thought, but I was trying to come to terms with it.

And then we found a sponsor for Logan, and it became a reality again. Um…Logan and I are kind of bad about saving money so we kind of would go, like, spend heaps and not save, and trying to get our tattoos done before we left and, you know, little things like that. We weren't spending our money too wisely and…um…more time passed and passed, and shit happened, and…and then, as you know, we split up. I have a bit to say about that as well. I was hoping to do it with him, but he still does not like being on camera. It's not that he doesn't want to do shit with me, he just…he's not a camera kind of person, and so I guess I'll…I'll briefly touch base with it myself because I'm not gonna force him to be on camera. But in that video I had said basically we were…we couldn't make it work, we just…it was better this way. We just wanted to go our separate ways.

But…uh…maybe we just got used to each other in the end, and it wasn't like love, you know. There was a lot that was said that we both felt, we both thought. And now that enough time has passed, we've been apart, we've been away from each other, we're able to, I guess, separate the truth from what we were thinking was going on. And I know that part doesn't make sense to lot of you guys…but…uh…the truth of the matter was that we actually did really love each other…um…he has told me that he loves me. I mean, we're not together. We don't live together. We don't see each other. We see each other sometimes. We don't see each other often. We don't really talk, you know, he does his own thing, I do my own thing. He has told me that he's not interested in any other girls. He doesn't want to date. He doesn't want anything to do with anybody else. He misses me. He loves me. And he regrets that we just kind of called it quits like that.

We were both really frustrated with where we were in our lives at the time, and that one decision to just kind of give up and walk away because we weren't so sure we had anything to fight for. You know, having lolcow and everybody constantly on our case, never having our relationship to ourself, it kind of gets in your head. You're not sure what's real, what isn't…and are we together because we were used to each other, because we've fought so hard to be together? Or was it because we actually loved each other? We had no way of knowing until we separated. Once we separated we realized, you know, if anything, it cleared up what we had was real, and we did love each other, we do love each other, whatever…

That fateful day that we just mutually gave up at the same time and walked away is the day that's changed both of our lives, and…Our marriage is over, and I'm moving without him, and it's just…it's kind of…it's a really weird feeling because I have this new future with this new person…well, with Josh, you know, with a new guy, and I'm gonna be going over there, and I'm gonna be starting a whole new life back home, not the way I envisioned it, not with…I've got nothing to do with my son, I'm not having my husband, it's just…it's…it's going home, but not in the way I thought it was. It's…it's almost like those stories of, you know, wishes, you know, you get granted three wishes, and you might wish for a shit ton of money, but you only get it because, like, a relative has died or something, like things don't work out the way you envisioned them. You might get the end result the same, but your path to that end result, this is never the way you think it's gonna be, and so this is the way my path has taken me.

Um…Logan has said he…he is still interested in going to the States, and his sponsor said he would still be willing to sponsor Logan, so there's a possibility he will move to the States and we can still be friends or whatever, and, you know, that's cool.

He wants to come visit. He told me just today, actually, that he would like to come visit, probably next Christmas, and so that's something…I don't know how it's gonna of work out though, because I know…I'm pretty sure Josh would go out of his way to make sure Logan knows that Josh and I are together and be on me and everything, and I couldn't…and I wouldn't push him away just to spare Logan's feelings because that would be disrespectful to Josh. And it would cause problems with him if I was, like, "No, don't be all over me because Logan's here," that would just look bad. And if I was, like, all over Josh in front of Logan, that would be disrespectful to Logan. So it'd just be a big mess. It's kind of easier if Logan doesn't visit now that I know he doesn't want to move on. He's not gonna be coming with a girlfriend, he'd just be coming. It would be a bit awkward, so I don't know how to handle that.

But it's a sad but also very good feeling to know that our marriage was real. We were together because we did love each other. He did actually love me, because now that he's free he could do whatever he wants, he could be with whoever he wants, he could date around. I can't stop him, obviously, I mean, I've got no rights to him anymore, but he's not interested, and the only thing he says is that he misses me, and he loves me, and he wishes we had worked a little harder. But there's nothing that can be done about it now. I wouldn't just say, "Sorry Josh, I'm not going to go," cuz, I mean, that's not fair to Josh…and, you know, we met…we got together with Logan's blessing. Maybe Logan didn't think it would go this far. Maybe he…he didn't think he'd care. But at the time when he gave me the go-ahead to start dating around, we were both still frustrated and just angry with each other, so I said, you know, "I'm gonna get a boyfriend. If I'm…I'm gonna move, you know, I want to start dating, I need to start dating, or whatever." And he was like, "Go ahead." And I kept asking him, "Are you sure, are you sure, are you sure, are you sure." And he was sure. We thought he was sure, but I guess he was sure at the time, not so sure afterwards.

But nothing…there's nothing that can be done. We can't go back in time. And even if we could…um…I'm moving, you know, I've got my new life set up, and that's just the way it is. That's what's happening, that's…that's…this is where my life is going now. I'm just glad that I know that my marriage was real. It's a nice thought to end on. My marriage was real, love we had for each other was real. It wasn't fake. I didn't fight and sacrificed for nothing. I did it for love. And, you know, it is what it is now.

Now I have this new path ahead of me. It's scary because, contrary to popular belief, I don't expect America to be the way it was when I left. I know it's changed. I'm actually scared of getting shot because, like, everybody gets shot over there.

So Josh lives in this small town for the moment. The place that he's gonna be getting is…is elsewhere, but the whole area is kind of small. It's smaller than the area I'm in now. I've lived in small towns. I've lived in Alapaha, Georgia; and Crescent City, Florida; Welaka, Florida; Palatka, Florida. Really, really small places. Tifton, Georgia; San Mateo, Florida. I mean, these are like tiny, tiny, tiny places, and for some of them I just look like a metalhead. For other ones I looked kind of like this, not as extreme, but I still did look very different, so I know the kind of reactions I get in small towns, and it depends on the people, the age of the people.

I've been on call with Josh when he's gone into stores, and he's gone into places, and I've heard the way that the people there treat him. And he's really outgoing and friendly, and they're very outgoing and friendly. And he has assured me they won't treat me badly, and if they tried to he would stick up for me which…that's all I need, you know, there's no…even if I changed my hair color and change my makeup, there's really no hiding all this, so why change anything, you know? They're gonna have to either accept me for how I am or don't, but there's nothing I could do about it. This is…this is me, and I'm going to a small town, and I've got to prepare for lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of stares. But at the same time it might be lots and lots of attention, and I might just meet some cool people. Um…aside from that I'm worried about getting shot.

I'm not worried about not having anything to do because in America you can drive and find something, it's not a big deal. They still have Walmart. They still have 24-hour places. They still have the places that I like. So, I'm not the same person I was when I left there, to where I'm gonna want to go party and dancing and getting drunk all the time. I'm not, as much as I would, in my head, I would like to. I know physically I couldn't handle it, probably have a fucking heart attack or some shit, be in the hospital with alcohol poisoning just trying to drink, so that's not the kind of life I'm trying to go there for.

What I want to do is just go. My days with him are gonna be just cuddling up in front of the laptop. I don't even want a TV. I just want the laptop, watching movies all day and just being with him, me homebody with him. He's a homebody, I'm a homebody. I just want to be a homebody with him, have a peaceful, quiet life with him. I'm not into anything else, I'm not looking for anything else, so it doesn't matter to me if I'm in a small one-horse town, that really has nothing…I'm not ignorant, I'm not stupid, I did look into the town, I did ask some questions, and I don't mind, I don't care, you can always travel. I don't want to fly anywhere, but we can always drive.

My thoughts on New Zealand now that I'm leaving. There are…there's good and there's bad about this place. I still hate it here. I just…I don't like change. I've never been able to handle change very well, and I think that's problem I have with New Zealand. It's not as such New Zealand itself, it's just that I don't like change. This is a foreign country to me, and it kind of fucks with my head a little because they speak English here so, you know, I think it would be easier if it was a foreign country with a different language, then I'd have a constant reminder I'm in a foreign country. I know that sounds really fucking stupid, but like, if I were to go back to Germany I no longer speak German so I'd be completely lost, but it would be like I'm in a foreign country, things are different​. But here, it's like, everybody speaks English, and there are some things that are similar to America, and it's like…it's like a brain tease in a way because I expect more things to be familiar but they're not. Things are done very differently here, but it's like, it shouldn't be. Like, you look around, there's mountains in the distance, I could be in El Paso, you know, when you're up on the mountain you're looking over the city, that could be El Paso. I mean, trees, water, that could be Florida. You know, there…there's a lot of the…the landscape that's very similar to places I've been to in the States, so you could…you could fool yourself into thinking you're…you're still in the states, you know.

But the food is bland, even the fast food places from here that are from America, McDonald's, Burger King, Carl's Jr., Wendy's, they're different. They don't have the same menu. Denny's, you know, not the same menu, not the same price, it's not the same cheese, not the same anything even though it's the same brand, and so that fucks with you as well. Well, it fucks with me, these things fuck with me. Maybe they shouldn't because they're very simple things, but they do get inside my head and they do fuck with me, and that does make life hard, has made life hard for me here.

Um…there are some nice people here like there are some asshole people here. Just like in the states, there's a lot of assholes there, but there's a lot of nice people there. I still think the scenery is beautiful but I'm…I'm an indoor girl, I'm a city girl, so I don't really like nature.

I don't like the food still, I hate the peanut butter, so like peanut butter, the very, very few peanut butter flavor things you find here sucks. The food overall is very bland. I remember like my first few months here looking for spicy chicken, and there's like no spicy chicken, they just don't do spice, they don't do flavor. It's…it's all really boring, really bland, and that's been a struggle I've had the entire ten years I've been here is trying to find a brand of like potato chips or meats or something. Even you go to the deli and you get the precooked chicken, you know, there's just…there's just no flavor on anything.

And the prices, the fact that the rent starts, you know, an average of like 400 a week…yeah, it's just so hard. You can't get ahead, you can't save, you can't really do anything because there's just not enough money. Everything closes so early so there's usually only one shift which means you make less money. Taxes are so high, cost of living so high, that's the kicker here, that's the big thing here that has made living here so fucking difficult.

I am gonna miss the Clothing Warehouse, though, cuz I found so many bargains and deals. The Clothing Warehouse! I love that place so much, that's like my number one place I'm gonna miss, the Clothing Warehouse!

And it is pretty easy to get credit here, it's pretty easy to get approved because of the fact that if you miss a payment they fucking go after your ass like right away.

Another thing is people throw money around here like nothing. I mean, if you get, like, something you want to sell, you could charge a disgusting amount and somebody will buy it, so that was just…wow! I was given the go-ahead to sell my…the S8 that I got from my birthday because I don't need three phones, and I was able to sell that for a pretty penny, and that's going towards my luggage because my excess baggage is, like I've mentioned before, $800, so I really need the money…um…but you go to America, and people aren't gonna pay the kind of prices that they pay here without blinking an eye. It's like, "Oh, what $1,200? There you go! 500? There you go!" It's like, how the hell do you have a bunch of money? But they do somehow, there's a lot of like old, old money here from what I've been told, old money, and people just have money somehow.

I guess that's about it. I'm really excited to start my new life. Of course I'm scared because I don't have family over there anymore. I've got people that are like family. But like, my mom…I want to go see her of course, but she won't even know who I am. My sister and brother don't talk to me. That's all. So I'm going over there, my entire life is gonna be in Josh's hands, so I've got to trust that he's gonna take care of me, you know, in every way, not just financially. We've discussed the financial shit, and I've made it very clear to him I don't want to just live off him, to be a burden. He is not concerned, he's not worried about it. He would prefer I don't work, but if I did work it will probably be, he said, like a work at home thing will probably be best for me, so that would be cool.

I'm struggling right now because I wanted to go over there skinny and sexy. I can't get my head around the fact that he doesn't like skinny girls. He likes girls that are my weight or bigger, and so the way I hate myself, everything I hate about me he loves, which can be good, but it's hard when you've been led to think one way your whole life, to think somebody else likes something different.

And since I've put on this little bit of extra weight I'm not freezing cold anymore. I used to not be able to warm up. So I've got a normal body temperature now. My tailbone doesn't hurt me anymore. I can sit and I don't have to fidget. My back doesn't hurt, like, I've got enough of an ass now again to lift me up off my tailbone so I'm not just sitting on bone anymore. And…and you might remember months ago I was complaining my tailbone hurt so much I couldn't sit I couldn't lay, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't do anything. Um…my tailbone's fine now because I've got a butt again. I've got boobs again, not much, a little bit.

And my periods aren't debilitating like they were. Like, they hurt for like the first day, or it hurts…for like the first day, I need a hot water bottle, but I'm not bedridden anymore, and I haven't bled as much. It's been pretty tame.

And I don't understand because I've only put on, like, five kilos. Well, five kilos to me sounds little, but when you put in pounds it's a bit more, it's about ten pounds I've put on. And I think it's because actually, my diet since I've been here, because I've been leaving more than usual, but I've been living off of frozen cherries, just flash frozen cherries, and I'll have the occasional take-out or buy a steak or something. I had bananas and these, like, oranges, Manalos is what they were, they're really, really sour like lime mixed with orange or something.

But for the most part I think what's happening is I'm starving myself, and so when I do eat my body's just taking it all and it's just…and it's just put on lots of weight, and I'm not happy with the way I look. I'm actually quite miserable with the weight I put on. Josh is happy with the way I look. And my body is responding to the weight gain in a much, much better way because I don't hurt anymore, so I have to make the decision: vanity over comfort. And it's pretty sad to say that I actually have to think about that. Do I want to be in agony and freezing cold and sick and in pain with my periods and all that just to lose 10 pounds? Or do I want to stay at a weight I'm not really happy with to feel better, especially with the guy that I'm with prefers me that way? I mean, I can't wrap my head around it. It's a very hard decision. It should be easy but it's not, especially since I've gotten made fun of for my weight so much; it's made this decision really, really, really hard. It's not healthy to, I mean, to lose too much weight obviously. But I wasn't exactly skinny to start with, but my body wasn't happy with it even so, which is just really weird for me. So I don't know what to do. I'm probably gonna go over there and then work on losing weight because I'll be able to eat, like, proper meals more often. I won't be starving myself anymore and my, you know, I'll be out and about doing stuff, and my weight should regulate again.

Super stoked to meet him at the airport and to see him, especially with that height because he's so fucking tall. I have a thing for tall guys. It's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be so strange to touch another guy and to start a life with another guy. But I feel like I have known him my whole life almost because we talked so often, and we know so much about each other. And it'll just be surreal to kind of finally be face-to-face with him and look and touch this person that I've had this relationship with and just to be able to physically be there with him.

And I know there's a lot of you guys that want to see that, too, you that are gonna be watching and tuning in. And I'll do my best to show you what you want to see and whatever which is our meeting and us together and our first sit-down. He suggested doing a Q&A, so I guess I'll drop a mention that if there's anything you're gonna want to ask us you can do the usual. You can message me, you can email me, or you can leave it in a comment. And once we're together we will sit down and make it…make the video together. Like, about…maybe, how did you feel when we first saw each other? How was your first night together? Do you have any plans? Things like that I've been asked already, so those can go into Q&A, if we do one if we get enough questions to make a Q&A, if that makes sense.

So yeah, uh…a lot of people have asked about Dorian. I don't want to go into why we're not talking, but we're not talking at all, and I fucking hate his stupid little girlfriend. She's got a big part to do with us not talking, and I'm not even going to go into that because I'll probably get the cops called on me for saying shit I shouldn't about some stupid little fucking bitch. But suffice it to say, she has ripped apart our family because she's a fucking cunt.

Um…so yeah…so my life is just gonna be me and Josh, me and Josh, me and Josh, me and Josh, and trying to find my way, try to live life again, join the real world, and be back home. It's gonna be hard.

The hard thing about leaving here is gonna be never seeing Logan again. That is something I'm struggling with a bit. I've told Josh all this so you know none of this is a secret from him. I don't keep secrets from him. It is gonna be hard because I had always thought that we were gonna be together forever. And when you put so much time and effort into somebody and you think that you're always gonna be with them, it is very hard to go on a different path. I never pictured myself split from him, much less with somebody else, much less going back home and being with somebody else, you know, so all this has happened quite quickly, and it is a lot to deal with.

I've told Josh I'm gonna really need support during this time because probably when I go over there there'll be moments when it hits me, and I'm just probably gonna break down crying. I'm just gonna be really overwhelmed. And especially being a person that doesn't like change, it's gonna be really hard for me to adjust to at first because, you know, before it's like, "Oh yeah, heehee! I'm gonna move, I'm gonna be with you, we're gonna be together, oh I'm going back to America! Haha!" But then as it gets closer it's like, wow this is really happening this…this is happening, this isn't just a, "Yay! Haha!" This is like a, you know what, next week I'm gonna be in America, so it kind of changes a little in your head. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing, it just…reality is just kind of hitting right now, like it didn't hit before. It still didn't seem real. It seems very, very real now, obviously, so there's…there's a lot of emotions going on even now, and I'm still here, so in a way it feels like nothing's changed because I'm still here.

Being on the plane and being there with him, it's not like I'm just gonna go visit him and then I get to come back here or…or whatever. I…I'm there, I'm gonna be living with him. He's gonna see me at my worst. There's no "getting to know each other visiting" kind of period. It's like, from the moment we see each other face to face, that's it, we're together. And we're gonna have to deal with everything that comes with that, so that's a big step. That's a scary step. And so obviously we have to have a lot of faith and love in each other to want to take that step. So, you know, there's that, and a big move like that's scary to start with, but especially starting a new relationship when you never thought that you would ever be with anybody again, that's scary. And I have a lot of faith and hope that this will work out and we will get along like we do now, and I'll finally have a good relationship.

Logan, it was good. It was just different. But, I mean, a relationship with someone that likes the same stuff I like, and we could just talk and talk and talk and that can, you know, interact with me a bit more and not stop me from posting online and doing stuff. And we're not gonna give away, like, highly personal things, but just who wants to be in that part of life with me while I have it, because I'm not gonna stay online forever. I'm gonna wean myself away after the initial…maybe up to year or so of posting, you know, "I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, we're going here, we're doing this, we're doing that." This is, you know, if I run out of things to post about, then I run out of things to post about, cuz I'll have a life, like, I keep saying that, I'll have a life, so I won't need to be online posting this kind of shit. And I don't know…all the best for the future, I guess.

I'm looking forward to this journey, looking forward to it, but I'm also a bit scared. I would be an idiot if it wasn't scared. But I'm not scared so much that I don't want to go. I do completely want to go. I just…I'm worried because I don't look the way I thought I was gonna look as well, like, that whole thing I was talking about earlier. I just um…I wanted to go there and be hot, be my version of hot to where I thought I looked my very best for him, and I don't feel like I am that, so I'm really scared that I'm gonna go, and he's gonna be like, "Ew..uh…what…" you know. But I know the opposite, he prefers me how I look now.

And then when we first go home and I shower and take off my makeup…I don't like to wear makeup at home. I prefer just to have nothing. I don't wear makeup unless I'm making a video, taking pictures, or going out. And so he'll see me without makeup on a lot which is also what he prefers, so the way that I prefer to be is the same way he prefers me, so it should all make sense in my head. I've just gotta …like, I've got to get, like, my brain on straight. I just I haven't met somebody new in so long I…and I…I have such bad self-esteem I think so bad of myself. I just…I don't wanna project that onto him, you know, it's not good, so I'm trying change I trying, I'm trying, trying, trying.

I'm mostly scared about flying, though, because I am terrified of planes. I'm terrified of flying, and I get claustrophobic, and so I'm gonna be in this fucking plane…my itinerary says fucking 35 hours which is a long time, a long, long time.

This is exciting. This is scary. This is overwhelming. I'm not naïve. I'm not blind to things. I've got my eyes open. I know both the positive and the negative, what could happen, and all I can do is just get my head on straight, think of why I made this decision in the first place, listen to Josh because he, you know, reassures me obviously, trust in him that somebody out there could actually love me and want to be with me, with even the way I look, and my age, and all this other…my weight, and all that shit and…um…believe that I can actually be happy and have a future.

And I will get to be back home again. And I know it'll be vastly different, but it helps that I'm not going to El Paso because El Paso will be a harder change for me because it'll be what I remember clashing with what it is now. I've never been to South Carolina so I've got nothing to compare it to, so that'll make life a lot easier. And I know, like, prices and things, restaurants and stuff vary state to state. I've lived in, you know, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, been to New York, and lived in El Paso and in New Mexico, so I've got to experience, you know, a few changes. Even between El Paso and Dallas there's differences, so being somewhere that I've never been, but on the East Coast which I prefer, the east to the west. It'll make the transition easier being in a small town where everybody's really nice. Hopefully I won't be looked at as a witch and then fucking shot or something, but…um…here's hoping for the best, here's for a good future.

Thank you guys for being with me through all this and for listening to me babbling. I don't even know if I'm going to upload this or if I'm going to cut it or what, but I just um…I'm looking forward to it and I'm super scared. I don't want to fly. I just wish I could just go BLOOP! and I'm there but..um…I'll catch up with you guys again. This is probably gonna be the last video that I make before I leave because I'm leaving in like seven days, so I don't know what else I could possibly make a video about before I go, so this is probably the last time I see you until I'm boarding the plane and blah blah blah. But I won't be uploading that obviously until I'm already there. So take care and I'll see you guys on the other side.

>>441499
this screams "regret" to me. she may have not had the passionate, love-that-is-more-than-other-loves she was craving, but marriage doesn't have to be about that. being comfortable is love too, even if you don't have mindblowing sex every night.

i think it's normal to feel wishy-washy before a big move, but i think even her delusional ass knows she's fucked herself by ditching logan for some dude she barely knows (and probably cheated on logan with). she's going to be in a totally new, unfamiliar environment with some guy she met a couple months ago. it's going to be a huge adjustment for someone as unstable as her. i predict it goes poorly.

>>441231
Lmfao she's full of SO much regret! Raven is the dumbest person since Lainey. What the fuck kind of person throws away a 5 year long intimate relationship for someone they've only known for a few months and never seen prior? Rational people in a LDR visit one another a few times before they decide to move in together–especially across the world. What an idiot!

>>441499
Her not saying exactly what caused the rift with Dorian is interesting. Usually she has no discretion. Was she imitating Dorian online too?

And how basic is she that everything she talks about for NZ comes down to fast food and a bargain clothing store. Not exactly major kiwi exports. No insight on the culture or politics. They just had an election, no?
Did she ever explore NZ much? Even if you don't want to go on nature walks or cook your own food, what about any of the live music scenes, what's that like? The goth scene? Things you'd think she'd have opinions on, good or bad.

And it's hilarious she thinks she put on weight by starving herself.

>>441549
by starving herself she just means “not eat all day then binge uncontrollably because i’m so hungry.”

since she had weight loss surgery you’d think she’d understand how this shit works, but wonder’s never cease i guess.

>>441549
I really think there is no big "reason". I think she told him it was her or his girlfriend, and he chose his girlfriend. I think if he'd done anything bad she's have said right away - since when has Raven been one to shy away from ANY story that can make her the victim?
I think Dorian cut contact over the jealousy bullshit she's spewing about his girlfriend and she wants to make it seem like it was her choice and his fault, so she says she "won't talk about it".

>>441544
And at least Lainey was a young teen when she got with Grease. Raven is fucking 41. Jesus.

>>441549
I was thinking the same thing. How sad your life is that you hate a country because they don't have "spicy chicken" lol.

I don't understand Logan. If they didn't get matching tattoos I would think she is lying about Logan still "loving" her and wanting her back. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe he really is borderline autistic so he thinks he loves this hag? Lol please Logans mom, do something, call a priest or something.

>>441499
Oh my god the regret is so sweet, I'm sure even Josh will be able to detect if after watching this video. Raven, you threw away your marriage to someone who actually cared about you to go and sleep on a couch in some Podunk town with a guy who fetishises your fat pictures and could not care less about you as a person.

the regret is the sweetest milk of all for me.

>>441571
pretty sure hes finding tattoo pictures he likes and shes saying 'oh i like that too i'll also get it'
he recently got a mimikyu pokemon tattoo and then she also got it even though she doesnt like pokemon and mentioned she didnt know who it was until she googled it

>>441571
Nah, he's trauma bonded. He needs therapy and a deluge of early 20s poontang.

>>441582
I dont want her to change her mind though. As much as watching her destroy her life through mere immaturity and boredom makes me cringe, it seems like Logan will never recover his chance at life if she doesn't go.

It is pretty appalling that she married someone so young, and then taught him that if your marriage has a rough patch, you should just bail. Why get married at all then?

A week my dudes!!

>>441594
I agree that he's acting so weird because of psych issues associated with Raven. She acted like his mother more than his wife, and there are Oedipus issues all over their relationship. The breakup must be pretty traumatic for him in a lot of ways. Logan has been a stand up guy in all of this. There's the makings of a pretty decent man there, I think, if he can shed Raven's skanky ass. It's too bad that man has been stunted by the association with Raven. Hoping she doesn't change her mind about going to the US. And that his mom keeps standing in his corner.

>>441594
Yeah, I guess you are right. I forget sometimes that he was 16!!!!! was she lured him in. Jesus fuck.

She needs constant verification it's kinda sad because it means she'll never really find true love only temporary infatuation

>>441603
Ugh, it's soo awkward that they talk like that over comments. Does everyone on the internet need to know that you want him to call you that more often? And then his defensive answer… Jesus, so unnecessary. The entire thing.

>>441603
This is..sad. Lmao jfc.

>>441604
Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks his reply was a bit defensive. Maybe he's getting annoyed and tired of her and the idea of seeing her as the day of reckoning approaches lol.

She blames lolcow:

>…that one decision to just kind of give up and walk away because we weren't so sure we had anything to fight for. You know, having lolcow and everybody constantly on our case, never having our relationship to ourself, it kind of gets in your head. You're not sure what's real, what isn't…and are we together because we were used to each other, because we've fought so hard to be together? Or was it because we actually loved each other? We had no way of knowing until we separated. Once we separated we realized, you know, if anything, it cleared up what we had was real, and we did love each other, we do love each other, whatever…

But if it weren't for her need to constantly be in a relationship (to which she readily admitted in Part 10 of My Story https://youtu.be/SazDMqen96U), she would not have rushed into dating Josh and set herself up in a situation from which she believes there is no turning back.

And unlike all of the previous times she rushed into relationships, she was not in a life-threateningly desperate situation. Her only reason to rush into this relationship with Josh is her desire to leave New Zealand.

When she was approved for weight loss surgery she said that it would "lighten my mood about New Zealand. I would remain forever grateful to the system and to the country" and "even if I never get to move back to the states, it would give me a better quality of life here because I would actually have a life."

https://youtu.be/LddGj__WDdQ

>>441549
Her refusing to speak about Dorian makes me wonder if his gf/her mother threatened legal action against Raven. She mentioned in her video that she didn't want to speak about it, because she might get in trouble. Then there is a jump in the film right around when she's speak about his gf - we all know this bitch is too lazy to edit without good reason.

Also, if I recall correctly from the video where Raven leaked private text messages of Dorian and his gf, the gf is very smart and mentioned taking legal action against Rayray because she was a 40 year old woman bullying and harassing a teenage girl.

I also vaguely recall the gf's mother being pissed at the situation too.

Makes me wonder if Raven will go back to harassing the gf once she is in the safety of America. It wouldn't surprise me. Poor girl.

>>441607
we this and we that and we the other … nah Diana, this one is all you. You realised you fucked up, you have regrets, you want to walk it back. Logan hates you lol.

>>441499

>the way I hate myself, everything I hate about me he loves, which can be good

Raven, you dense motherfucker, have you not learned ANYTHING from Ryan?

He will get you morbidly obese, your already nonexisting self esteem is gonna drop, you will be a couchbound frigid asian granny.
He will watch porn, he is gonna cheat on you. All of your """""""hard work""""""" with the weight loss is going to waste.

And god forbid you try to loose weight, if Josh is realy a feeder and a BBW lover, he will sabotage every attempt.

>>441612

Is this confirmed the same girlfriend?

I wonder why she abandoned her look book haul video that she was so excited about putting together?

>>441599
OMG, I laughed way too long and way too loud at this. I was imagining it spoken in Raven's voice.

I'm still giggling.

I'm just in awe of a woman who is willing to give up the beauty and splendor of Christchurch, New Zealand for Dogpatch, USA. I'm an American, and I love the USA, but c'mon. You already haveva life in this paradise, and you are giving it up for a dying little town in the American South? It just boggles the mind.

>>441673
but they have shit take-away food, anon. I mean look at that fucking picture - not a taco bell in sight. barbarians.

>>441544
That's hilarious, she's clearly mad about her decision to break up ! She seems so sad, almost on the verge of tearing a little bit, and keeps bringing up Logan.

The way she talks about how she asked him if he was sure about her dating makes me think she was trying to get Logan into fighting mode or something and steal her from Josh (who she wouldn't have cared about hurting since he lives in the US and doesn't send her money)

I can't believe she doesn't see how rude it is to publicly rant about her failed marriage, say that her ex is still in love with her and on top of that wants to get him to visit her not even in her own home, but her new beau's place. That bitch would go ballistic if Claudia even left a comment on something about Josh, let alone go see him or let him spend money on her.

Raven is the master of delusion. She publicly broadcast a video with her ex calling her stupid and then claims he loves her. Incredible.
I'm gonna bet he tells her he's not interested in girls because he knows she'll call crying and be a general pain, boy learned coping mechanisms.

I'm having some trouble uploading images that Dorian and I (his girlfriend) want to share to clear up any mysterey as to what happened between us and his mom. If there's a more experienced user who would like to contact us to get the images please let me know.

In short, there was a police filing against her after she physically attacked Dorian. At this point she had kicked him out of the house (which he had signed the lease for and rented with her because she couldn't afford it on her own) and he had simply gone back to collect his things because it wasn't worth figthing her on the rent issue. She is on a police watch-list in Christchurch and I believe that if she comes near us or we have reason to file another report that she will be detained and issued another restraining order. She begged us not to contact the police after the fact, after many threats of legal action, because she realised that though she said "without Dorian I don't care what happens to me, if I can't have him no one can," (obviously not a direct quote but similarly along those lines, implying that she would not care if she went to jail for phyicalling harming her son.

Since then we happily live together in our own place, I'm still in school because I love studying and he is currently studying as well to widen his career options. Everything's going really well and we mostly just laugh at her. However because she brought it up again in a video we figured we might as well show someone the whole story that she's carefully vetted for her purposes.

I know you guys proyally know how to find facebook through either ravens or Dorian's. If someone would like to message me I can send you all the screen shots and explanations.

>>441677
and lately he's seen exactly what happens when Raven catches wind of one of her playthings having other interests with Dorian and his girlfriend.
of course he's not gonna want her to think he's interested in dating/seeing other people, she's an insane, jealous piece of shit.

it is possible he is still affected by her as well - she is extremely manipulative and emotionally abusive, and he was with her from a young age and for many years. that will take a lot of getting over, especially with Raven hanging around keeping up the manipulation tactics (trying to force rivalry with Josh and Ryan is obviously the latest strategy).

>>441683
I'm so sorry for what Raven has put you two, and especially Dorian through. No one here had any doubt that whatever happened between them was Raven's doing. If you want to post more screenshots here, feel free. If not, I hope someone with an FB account can get the full story, because it should be shared.

It's really great that you two are happy and able to move on, and shows maturity beyond your years.
All the best for the future from a sappy Anon.

>>441683
I wish you both a happy, drama-free life in beautiful Christchurch. I do have a question though. Does Dorian have any desire to go to the States? Does he have dual citizenship? Are you ultimately going to stay in New Zealand? Just being snoopy. Thanks.

>>441683
You are clearly having a more positive impact on Dorian's life than his own mother could ever have. Bless you both and kudos to Dorian for escaping Raven's abuse.

>>441683
if you’re trying to upload more than one screenshot at a time you can’t, but you can make new posts with just the images in them.

sorry to hear about what’s happened between you. we knew raven is a piece of shit but confirmation is always nice. i hope she fucks off to america and leaves you guys alone for good.

>>441683
It is very brave of you to speak up and we all appreciate it.
You seem like a good influence for Dorian and I think we're all very happy to hear he has you, finally someone who cares for him.

I talk to Logan daily and she's so fucking manipulative. He still says he "loves" her but it's too late to get her back because she's for sure leaving. I hope he can move on. Oh and yes rayray, I'm a girl.

>>441604
Honestly it's best she's out of both of your lives. You do not need her toxic ass around you or anyone else. She will just drag you down to her lonely pit in hell just for shits and giggles.

>>441699
Honaaaay, spill more tea!

>>441683
I mean we all pretty much knew she was a piece of shit but this just confirms it. Good luck to both of you. Hopefully a willing anon gets those receipts.

>>441683
We are rooting for you and Dorian! Thank you for helping him through such a difficult time.

>>441702
I don't want to say too much because he's honestly so sweet and I value him as a friend. It just pisses me off that she lies to much and continues to control him. I think she's either lieing about him not talking to other people or she really has no clue that he is.

>>441707
He probably told her he doesn't so she doesn't go crazy on his ass. Don't worry, if you don't wanna stay stuff you don't have to. Just try and help him escape her grasp lol.
So she is 100% leaving?

>>441708
Last time we talked about her he said she was. Who knows if she will actually leave but I hope to god she does. He deserves better than her, and I can tell what this is doing to him. I've been trying to lightly bring it up by getting him to talk about how he's been, and he seems to be adjusting quite well. We don't talk about it often, but I'll try so that maybe he can see that he can do better. He's not as bad as some people on here think he is, he is really sweet and he's done a lot for her ungrateful ass. And you wanna know what's the worst part? He thinks their relationship was mostly great (this is his first relationship and love, literally robbed from the cradle).

>>441712
wow.
for what it's worth (and I'm sure you know this) most everyone views their first love through rose tinted glasses and puts up with a lot of shit from them. hopefully time and distance put things into perspective for him (and hopefully a few more years and he'll no longer be weirdly racist/sexist, which os the only things people here really criticised him for).

it would be so much better for everyone if Raven just left.

>>441715

I haven't heard any racist/sexist things from him so I can't comment on that, but yeah I also told him the same about 'first loves' from my experience. He works like 40+hours and doesn't have that much time for himself. It saddens me to know she sat on her ass while he worked those kinds of hours. Working full time + overtime hours at the age he was when they met to now is not a good way to spend your youth. She literally took that from him. He will be so much better off with her gone, so I really do hope that's the last time they talk.

>>441717
Of course you don't have to tell us if you don't want to, but is Logan's family helping him detox from her? I'm assuming they are jumping for joy now that he's away from her.

>>441722
He hasn't talked much about his family, but I'm pretty sure he's living with them again and knowing how much they disliked her, I think they're pretty relieved. I can ask about that stuff and get back to you guys if there's anything you guys want me to ask. Just nothing TOO assertive or invasive, please. I don't want to make him uncomfortable or suspicious why. He doesn't like social media.

>>441724
You certainly don't have to ask him anything on our behalf. We respect his right to privacy.

I think most of us are just hopeful/concerned that he gets away from her permanently.

It's also fun to hear the truth, as opposed to the way Raven spins reality.

>>441725
Exactly. And Raven obviously reads here so I'm afraid she's gonna be on him now, knowing that he is talking to another human being lol.

>>441724
Don't feel obligated to give more info unless you personally want to. You owe no one an explanation. But your side on the whole matter is greatly appreciated. Feels refreshing to have the truth come out amongst all her lies.

>>441728
This. It's probably best not to ask him anything for some time because Raven will be hounding his ass to try and figure out who he's been talking to. He'll cut contact with you to shut her up. She lurks here a lot so be careful.

Has anyone contacted Dorians gf?

No one has contacted me (Dorian's gf). Feel free too.

>>441717
Coming from a mother's perspective all I can say is that he was still a child when she took him and he was, at that time, as moldable as Play-Doh. Children are VERY susceptible to manipulation and coercion. His racist/sexist views were spoonfed to him by his mother/wife-Raven. As he spends time away from her he will mature and develop his own opinions and personality. Just look at kids who go into University, they almost always go in with a set of beliefs and opinions that do a 180 by the time they graduate. He will be okay. I just want whisk him away from her until her lard-ass boards that plane-and then release him safely back into the wild.

>>441740
I shot you a friend request on my throwaway Facebook.

>>441733
Thanks for looking out for me guys. I'll be more careful, but I'm pretty sure he talks to a few other female friends from his town, too. I cant imagine her successfully weeding his friends out after her getting a divorce with him. But if you're reading this raven, fucking have the decency to leave him and his friends alone. YOU chose to leave him. Not the other way around. Don't say this is a mutual thing because that is a LIE. He didn't want you to leave, you can quit your bullshit. At least let him have his fucking friends because we actually care about him, and will when you're long gone.

>>441747
Yeah I'd also like to say he's been nothing but super kind to me since I've known him. Never once came off as a dick, not even a little bit. He is way more of the shy/cutesy type. I don't know why, but I think maybe Raven is one of those people who bring out the worst in people. She makes him out to be an asshole, like her, who "hates all women", and all that crazy shit she spews, but I can tell you right now, with less of her influence on him, he definitely does not represent anything she made him out to be. I just wanted to clarify that. Thanks all

I hope this is just me being my usual sceptical self but… Isn't it a huge coincidence that just as Dorians gf posted here, Logans friend did too…
I believe this really is his gf. Don't know about logans friend tho….

>>441762
Fuck anon, thanks so much. We may have been bitches about Logan from time to time, but for the most part, we all knew he was a child and understood what affect she was having on him. I'm happy to know he's a good guy and I hope you and his family and other friends can really help him break free from her death grip. He's an okay looking guy and could find himself a sweet girl around his age and have lots of fun! He doesn't need the baggage of a functional 41 year old much less a disgusting animal abusing cow such as Raven.

I love the details you provided and want more details, but it's best if you don't post about you or Logan on this site for awhile. At least lay low until Raven leaves or until Logan is able to de-brain wash.

>>441775
I have all of our conversations viewable and undeleted but I really don't want to screenshot anything for his privacy and mine. It's just a coincidence that we both posted same day.

>>441754
Plz post deets, anon. At least Raven already hates Dorian's girlfriend and there's no way she can manipulate him so the milk is free!

>>441778
Nah don't worry, you don't have to prove anything. Everything you said we all kinda knew already.

Btw this is totally old news but how come Logans mom allowed him to get married? I mean he was underage and needed their consent, right?
I know this was probably discussed but damn there's a lot of threads…

Patiently waiting for the anon who contacted Dorians gf to spill some milk…

>>441780
Most of the details are in threads that no longer exist in the grandmother sites of lolcow. I don't remember the entire story, but pretty sure Logan's mother tried to get Raven arrested and tons of other drama. Trust me, they didn't let Logan go without a fight. I think it all amounted to Logan doing what we wanted.

>>441683
You're a wonderful lady and have done so much good for Dorian. Really happy and proud of you two! So glad you're living your lives without Raven. I wish you guys the best of luck!

>>441712
You're awesome for teaching Logan that he is worth so much more than that stupid rayray. You're doing him wonders and I thank you for that.

>>441683
I'm in my 30s and am absolutely disgusted someone as old as 40 would insult a child. Don't be offended because I even see 20 years as kids. I'm sorry you had to put up with someone as vicious as Raven, but you're an absolutely amazing youth. Most older women wouldn't deal with an insane mother and leave their boyfriends, but it seems like you've introduced him to a better life. You're on the right track and continue to focus on your education. Even if the job market is difficult for those with degrees, it really enriches your life. Sage for sounding like a grandma, but good for you! I could never imagine talking to someone as young as you the way Raven had, but you certainly held your own. Good luck and enjoy life!

>>441792
Thanks guys, I just hope he believes me when I say that stuff.

>>441775
That smelly smell.

>>441781
Same
>>441740
Did anyone make contact with you. If they still haven't I will.

>>441780
They waited until Logan was 18 to legally get married, and had a commitment ceremony before it. Logan’s parents eventually gave in enough to be at the wedding but there was a lot of tension up until he was an adult.

Her excuse at the time was that plenty of kids at his age were getting married and pregnant so it isn’t a big deal. Note that she is OLDER than his parents, and she had Dorian pretty young so there is merit to that. Doesn’t excuse the pedo logic, I’m sure his parents wanted him to do better than them.

I'm so pumped for these screen shots I'm gonna scream

>>441780

Have you read this?

http://www.mywedding.com/ravenandlogan/stories.html

>>441762

So they are now divorced without abiding by the 2-year separation requirement?

When Logan proposed she played by the rules.

>… just because I said yes, it didn't mean we were going to run off and get married the next day (besides, I was still in my forced "two years of living apart before you can fie for divorce" stage they make you go through). [sic]

FB anon here. Dorian's girlfriend messaged me; here is the conversation thus far.

>>441856
None of her pictures have gone through yet, but I'll post them when they do.

>>441837
>I went to sleep happy and excited, thinking I was going to meet a really hot 16 year old the next day…flirt a little…and that was it.
He was able to come over, so I sat in my room for ages getting ready- hiding until I was as perfect as I could get. I was actually really nervous! When I was finished, I opened the door and they walked in. As he passed me, I just stood stupidly in awe and amazement. He looked even better in person than he did in his photos! His arms were muscled. He was a head taller than me. His voice was deep. This was no kid! Not to me anyway. This changed things considerably. Now I was uncertain and scared…far more shy than before, and more than a little depressed. As we put our attention into Dorian (we were both shy, and Dorian was a good distraction), I snuck many quick looks at Logan.
My heart ached for him! He fit every single thing on my list of the perfect guy…and he was sitting right across from me.
: taller than me, younger than me (I like younger guys, as I don't feel my age and am considerably younger emotionally than I should be- but I do not and have not ever gone after anyone as young as him. My limit was 25-30), thin, pale skin, dark hair, long hair or an interesting cut, blue eyes, accent, alternative, has tattoos and/or piercings, no glasses or facial hair, hairless (I discovered later that he shaves it all off, but in the end it's same result)…Not to mention he is of the same mindset as me. He thinks like me about most things, and can agree with my disgust for most things other people seem to love. He's mature beyond his years and has proven that time and time again.

Reading this made me put the phone down multiple times to stare at the wall and wanna die. Holy fucking shit, this is disgusting. Age differences aren't a problem like say a 24 year old with a 30 year old for example, which is 6 years apart, but THIS?!?? I just. NO.

NO.

My favorite part in this is Raven founding it out and the video rant that is about to come.
This is milky

>>441860
Thanks anon. Also, "holy shit" was the appropriate response. She threatened to silt her throat!? I just…..holy.shit.

Stay strong Dorian and gf, you're almost free!

>>441860
What the actual fuck.
And the thing is, it's not even that surprising. Like it's surprising to find out the details, but in terms of what Raven is like, there's nothing out of character. She's so disgusting.

I can't wait for her to go to Couchland so that all her NZ victims can get on and have better lives, and hers will continue to spiral downwards into feederism and paranoia.

I cannot believe the audacity of her demanding Dorian and his long-suffering girlfriend to go to the States with her! For what?! To share a shack and couch with a stranger in a foreign land in a rundown hamlet in the middle of nowhere?! Wow….just, wow.

>>441791

I am really glad to hear that Dorian is doing so well, and that the two of you are happy. I don't even know you guys or Logan, but I do think Raven has been a terrible blight on literally everyone around her, and I so hope Logan can get away from her as well. It is great Dorian is going back to school and trying to build a good life. It sounds like he has found some stability and blossomed, and I hope the two of you continue happy together.

>>441864

I have read this before, and it still is as gross and disgusting as the first time. Yeah, I know Logan was of age, and that this was all legal. Legal does not mean ethical or moral, you fucking sow.

Are Dorian and Logan in contact? Maybe Dorian could help Logan deprogram too.

Completely not surprised that she was on Dorian's social media impersonating him.

Having grown up with a BPD mum, though not as extreme as this, I really sympathise with Dorian and his girlfriend, and hope he can undo a lot of the damage of his upbringing.

>>441683
Dorian is going to be so much better off when she leaves. Good on him for making a life with you in NZ, and for studying.

>Blog: as a kid who stayed in contact with a parent like this far too long and paid the price, the best thing is a clean break, get some therapy support right away, and never listen to another word she says.

Alright, I took all of her individual images and compiled them all into 3. Hopefully these aren't too big to upload. I censored all names/images that weren't Raven's.

These are messages between Dorian's girlfriend and Raven's old account that she deleted.

Messages between Dorian's girlfriend and Raven's second account, which is why Raven's messages aren't deleted here.

Aaaand messages between Dorian's girlfriend and Raven via Logan's account.

>>441916
>>441914
>>441913
Oh yeah, sorry for the breaks between some of the messages. I compiled them exactly as she sent them.

Oh man. Can't wait for the epic video/rant that's coming when she sees this

>>441864
>no … facial hair, hairless (I discovered later that he shaves it all off, but in the end it's same result)
Creep confirmed.

Oh man am I ever ready for Raven to blow her top over this. Delicious, delicious milk incoming.

>>441913
Almost thought she might be a troll when she said Raven requested Cheetos for dinner instead of food or a smoothie, lol

Pretty mature considering all the horrid shit coming from Raven.

>>441933
Don't get your hopes up. When she knows we're anticipating the response, like when she accidentally realised that playlist of milk, she does her freak out off camera and then pretends it doesn't matter.

She also seems very reticent to bring their attention to the situation with Dorian because of fear of legal consequences, which would fuck up her escape trajectory.

>>441864
Honestly, if it was reversed and it was a 41 year old man talking this way about a 16 year old girl everyone would flip their shit and he would be arrested…

>>441944
Lmao there's parts of the story in the original link where the police did show up at her doorstep multiple times so…

>>441946
Didn't do much good if she still ended up marrying him when he turned 18. At some point she should have been a responsible adult and made him stay away instead of being a disgusting waste of a human being.

To the poster who talks to Logan- do you know if the story about Marmalade being hit by a truck was factual? The video she made shortly before the poor kitties death featuring him and talking about how upset she was that she couldn't take him to the US and his subsequent sudden and tragic death with several artistic photos of the corpse had many of us very concerned.

Dorian's girlfriend is willing to answer whatever questions we have. Posting screencap because relevant. Forwarded >>441959, will post her response when she gets off work.

Off-topic, but she's really sweet. I know I'm just echoing everyone's sentiments but I'm so happy for her and Dorian. Also lol, I bet Raven foams at the mouth knowing Dorian found a cute ~alt~ girl with more ambition in her left finger than Raven has in her entire grotesque body.

No wonder Dorian wanted to stay and be with his girlfriend and her family. Ms Dorian sounds stable, smart and kind. Her family must be very supportive and level headed to raise such an articulate young woman. I can only imagine Dorian meeting them and realising how fucked up his own home life at Raven's rearing was.

And Dorian would never tell Raven that there was a problem because it would have set off one of her screaming tirades at him. It's easier to nod and say yes than wake the saggy bipolar dragon. Same with Logan. I think he just agrees and says what she wants to hear to make her shut up and go way.

Good luck, Couchboy Josh! You're going to need it.

raven's whole M.O. is to pose as other people in her life online. how do we know its not her.

>>441980
Unless Raven created dozens of Facebook accounts just to connect them over the course of several years and hoarded pictures of someone's entire life, it's definitely not her.

>>441980
Lmfao, this person said she was at work… You think Ravens lazy ass would ever say that? lol

>>441981
I've known people who do this.
Unlikely, but not impossible. Seeing as she sits on her ass all day she would have the time..

>>441981
I've known people who do this.
Unlikely, but not impossible. Seeing as she sits on her ass all day she would have the time..

>>441980
and Raven does not use a single one of those profiles to bash herself. it's simply impossible for her to do so.

>>441987
>>441986
>>441988
You're giving her far too much credit. Let's be realistic here. Also, Raven is totally incapable of convincingly changing her typing style.

Here are some responses to a few questions.

>>441966
Question: what does Dorian think about Raven divorcing Logan and moving in with some random bumpkin from America?

>>441966

As aside anon thanks for relaying and doing so in a respectful way.

A guy raised by Raven got lucky enough to get with a nice, smart girl - warms my crusty heart. You'd expect him to be used to chaos and pick a girl with problems. Instead, he found a girlfriend ten times more mature than Raven herself.

I'm wondering if Dorian and Logan are in touch at all? Didn't seem like they were very good friends but it would be hard for them both to be in that situation.

>>441995
If it is possibly. I would like Dorian to shed light on the truth on her many versions of his upbringing.
She always tells the tale from her eyes, with a lot of abuse, rape, drugs, homelessness. In the back of my mind I always wonder 'WHAT ABOUT DORIAN? WHERE WERE YOUR SON?'
If it is too traumatic, please ignore me.

If he knows something that she is deliberately lying about righ now (with the whole divorce from Logan/relationship with Ryan etc), and could comment, also.

We appreciate you guys taking your time to come her, you don't have to answer anything if you don't feel like it.
Thanks.

>>442034
Yeah, I would like to know too if there is any lies that you specifically know about?

Kek at her being "nice" in those last messages but calling her a bitch in the latest video.

>>441959
I can't answer that because I don't know, honestly. I'd ask but I'm not sure "hey did your cat actually die by a truck" would be something he would be comfortable talking about. Also I'd like to point out I think the fake accounts of Logan are now deleted. I don't think he even knew she was controlling them. I know this because I messaged one to test and see and all I got back was an insult and block. It's pretty crazy.

>>442047
good on you for fielding a weird question with discretion, and considering Logan's feelings.

>>441997
Yeah, I second this. Interested to hear what opinions that Logan, Dorian and you have about Josh?

>>442057
Especially since Josh claims to have tried contacting Dorian at some point and called him "disrespectful."

>>442063
I can imagine
>uh, hi Dorian, I'm your new dad
>yeah whatever

Thanks for answering questions here! Don't feel pressured though. I wouldn't share tooo much until she actually leaves NZ in a few days. She's crazy and the type to try and control Logan and Dorian as much as she can before she goes.

Ugh my post looks weird lol… sorry, first time actually posting here.

>>441591

Agreed. After her windfall from selling the phones she offered to buy him a tattoo as a farewell present. He chose the design and she decided to get a matching tattoo, just as on her birthday she bought shirts to match his shirts.

The design itself could be symbolic of the effects of their relationship: hollow soulless eyes, no mouth with which to speak up to her, no hands and no legs with which to be autonomous or to escape, instead rooted in place with blighted bare branches.

Sage for tinfoil hatting.

>>442068

Leave the name and email fields blank. If you are not contributing milk, sage your post by typing "sage" in the email field.

Ok, and what does sage mean? Thanks.

>>442073
It is used for stuff that isn't direct information about the thread topic, for example giving commentary or rants or whatever. Using sage doesn't bump the thread, so it is a polite thing to do when not providing new information.

Do we have any clues as to how frequently Raven checks lolcow? She had Kiwifarms bookmarked, but not us, right?

I'm curious how long it will take her to find out the happenings here kek. Hopefully not until after she moves.

>>442086
With Raven, no doubt it's on the daily. She might be busy with moving and packing so there's a possibility of this being Raven-free for awhile.

>>441683

You are a dote. Raven didn't deserve it but you still approached her with respect and politeness.

It's utterly gross that she call you such terrible things even if they were true, which they obviously aren't. But plenty of us have worried about Dorian (and Logan) because we understand how damaging his upbringing has been, wondering if he'd be doomed to repeat terrible patterns simpy because he's never been given any life-tools to succeed.

You are obviously doing all the things he needs whilst giving him the security he's never known. Everyone's said the same and we really wish you both all the best. You have more going for you in your little toe than his ghastly mother has ever had, and that means you're building your lives on a solid foundation. But we realise it doesn't come without pain. Really, I hope for everything good for both of you.

>>441995
Wishing Dorian and his girlfriend the best! If you two ever need inspiration or any sort of support you're welcome here and you should check out the Margaret Palermo topic. Her daughter married a boy in Japan to get away from her and they're really happy despite Margaret's endless attempts to try and ruin their life.

Compiling the questions so far:

>>441997
> Question: what does Dorian think about Raven divorcing Logan and moving in with some random bumpkin from America?

>>442034
> If it is possibly. I would like Dorian to shed light on the truth on her many versions of his upbringing.
> If he knows something that she is deliberately lying about righ now (with the whole divorce from Logan/relationship with Ryan etc), and could comment, also.

>>442041
> Yeah, I would like to know too if there is any lies that you specifically know about?

>>442057
> Interested to hear what opinions that Logan, Dorian and you have about Josh?

>>442086
> Do we have any clues as to how frequently Raven checks lolcow? (if Dorian knows how paranoid his mom is, maybe he knows this)

I wonder if ravey knows Josh's grandma still keeps in contact with Claudia on Facebook….

I bet that wouldn't go down well

Here are her responses to a few more questions. At some point tomorrow I'll be censoring/posting the screencaps Dorian sends and whatever insight he decides to share.

>>442347
Thanks for this, anon!

>>442364
this girl seems like a gem. Dorian seems to have found someone who is the opposite of raven, and I think that is fucking wonderful. All the very best to them.

>>442364
OH BOY THE FAKE SUICIDE MILK FROM DORIANS POINT OF VIEW, THANK YOU LORD (and the lovely girlfriend)

Hearing all this stuff with Dorian makes me even more glad she miscarries all the time and can't reproduce.

>>442364
What does Raven DO all day? Does she have hobbies. Where does the money even go.

I saw a video where she told Dorian "You're more asian than me!" referring to his appearance (then Logan said that's not how genes work, kek) she made a comment about his hair too. Did she tease him about his heritage/skin? She worships blue eyes and wears contacts daily. Does she bleach herself too or is it all caked makeup and photoshop

When Dorian got kicked out, how did he manage? He knows he's not responsible for the miscarriage, right? I hope he doesn't carry any guilt about the "draino." She just can't admit her own flaws, and couldn't accept she's just too old.

>Does she really have a tailbone issue or she just pretends to be a cripple in videos?
>Who's gonna get stuck with her hoarder pile of useless crap?
>What do you guys think of Ryan and why is he letting her stay with him?
>Do u guys look at other cows here?

Like others asked, are there any lies we take for granted about her. For ex, we assume she's half German, but that could be some snowflake shit. She said she has a bunch of ~secrits~ and puts out misinformation. You guys read here, do we pretty much see the real deal?

>>442388
Lastly just some comments. She might be back. It seems she's gone for good, but if she doesn't like it there or finds flaws in Couchboy (very likely: he's more willful and she may not be able to break him, plus they don't even know each other) then she'll cry RAPE and fly on her broom back to NZ ASAP. Hope you guys are prepared and really go restraining order on her ass. Hope you guys can reach out to Logan too. He may not have enough time to detox and get over this hag. Like I said, I think she'll be back. She's clearly regretting the Couch migration.

also feel free to post at the farm anytime, even under Anon for fun. Ranting here might be therapeutic. Raven is a tried and true old milk cow, one of our best.

>>442364
Being disowned is fortunate, in this instance. Even though it may feel bad for now.

What I love about this flood of info from the others involved is it will drive Raven that little bit harder to actually get on the plane, at a time when she looked like she wanted to backpedal.

>>442393
damn anon, this is why she's lovebombing Logan (as much as she's able anyway). how depressing. he really needs to get out there and date; she seems to have sworn him to chastity or something.

>>442373
YES the suicide deets!! Please and thank you Dorian! No detail too small or too petty.

I am so happy, first Venus escapes Margo and does well with her new man, now Dorian escapes Raven and is doing great with a lovely young lady. Excellent news.

>>442388
Apparently Raven says she has nothing to do but play Facebook games all day. Which would explain some of the fake accounts (so she can send herself stuff for the game missions). I didn't even know FB games were still a thing?

Last "conversation" between Raven and Dorian in which she literally says she would slit his girlfriend's throat if she could. wew lad

>>442436
What a piece of shit, somebody should expose her in a youtube video

>>442436
holy FUCK. why is she so fucking possessive over her son??? she’s actually jealous of his girlfriend. what a sick pathetic piece of shit, guess i shouldn’t be surprised when she’s talking about “hot 16 year olds.”

Wow… All this talk about wishing she had aborted him (once again), and how she can't wait until he's all alone the world, etc. She sounds like a bipolar 14 year old. I can't believe that's actually a mother speaking to her child like that. Terrifying that psycho people like this can become parents. And the revoltingly disgusting way she talks about sexual things with him, just scarring. I could go on. This is just sick. I can't believe I used to be a fan (due to how unique she still looked at that age, I thought it was bold). I mean, it's been a while since I've become put off from her but this just tipped the ice berg over. I don't even know what's worse from her -all the previous severe animal abuse she's openly admitted to on video, or raising a child in this way, or even…honestly I'm just shocked. Makes my overly conservative mom seem like a flawless angel compared to this nauseous bs.

>>442436
>because trust me trash like that doesn't stay around forever
Oh, I trust your judgment there, Ravey. You would know that trash never stays Mrs. 5-marriages.

>i cannot WAIT for the day you're all alone in the world and you realize just how much you fucked up, and trust me that day will come!…Everyone needs family, and you just lost yours.

Couldn't have put it better myself. We've all been waiting for that day, but it will be you who will have nobody. YOU lost your family forever; your son is young enough to build one. You're alone in the world, and burned down your bridges for some couchbum that lied to you about some major stuff before you even met him. Nice priorities.

>I would slit your whores throat for what she's done if I could.
As disgusting as it is for bat grandma to say this about a 16-year old, it's laughable in another way. She is so deluded about what she can do. She always speaks like she's so tough and apathetic and hard, but the mere opinions of internet meanies control her whole life and hurt her feefees. She's weak as shit. Between the obesity, bad food for decades, osteoporosis (asian females are more susceptible, Ravey-kins!), age, never lifting a finger or going out, she's physically weak too. She couldn't murder anyone. A lively healthy 16 year old girl would kick her ass in an attack.

>>442436
I know it maybe doesn't mean anything from a random anon online but… Dorian, we are with you and cheering for you. We can only imagine how hard it was having this monster as a mother. We are all truly sorry, but also very happy you found someone nice that can let you begin to heal.

I wonder what excuse she will make on her rant video. We knew she was sick and insults people with no filter, but this is just another level. And it's her fucking son…

>>I did my best with you

Kek, I guess her best is never giving up her mall goff style, never having a job and feeding her son with one piece of cheese?
Raven I hope you rot in Joshs hands and you are never able to come back to NZ. You are terrible and deserve the worst.

And just in case you do, don't believe in any of the things she said Dorian. It's not normal at all for a parent to react like that. Or for that matter, any human being. You do deserve all of the love you have, and you definitely won't be alone with a loving partner like that. This will be a brand new start for you.

>>442447
"We knew she was sick and insults people with no filter, but this is just another level." Exactly. Well said.

>>442436
Ho-ly fuuuck..
Poor Dorian. Your mother is a sociopath. Absolutely mentally ill and shouldn't be raising children.

>>442436
Funny how a woman who has erotic pics of her spread all over the internet and has admitted to be a prostitute thinks she can say a damn word about a 16yo young discovering her sexuality. Fuck you, Raven, you're not entitled.

For Dorians gf > we dont judge you, even if it is truth. You've proved yourself a better person than Raven will ever be.

>>442436
Just… wow. I am actually speechless. Absolutely unforgivable, she truly is a monster. She only thinks he is "selfish" because he no longer tolerates her shit, good for you Dorian. Please stay the hell away from her! All the best to you and your girlfriend, she seems great.

>>442406
She was verging on tears in her last vid where she just realized his/her feelings were real. According to witnesses (Dorian's GF/FB anon) he does love her and didn't want to end it. When he said he wouldn't date, it wasn't just to shut Raven up. He won't be up for dating for a while, and he's really stunted anyway. She keeps repeating that shit, "He says he'll never love again," it's clearly important to her, she enjoys being his only love. She doesn't want him to sully himself with a SLUT while she's off making mistakes.

And couchboy IS a mistake. They've never even met, he's already lied to her a lot, and is capable of throwing away an engagement like it's nothing. He's a man closer to her age so he'll be harder to control. The reasons she stated on why he was perfect were 90% superficial. She even admitted they were already arguing, and he wasn't even happy about the one-way ticket. It's like a tacky Second Life marriage between those two. It's doomed to fail. Now it's just a matter of when, and can Logan snap out of it in time.

Often people don't believe a relationship is over til one party moves on. So Raven still feels connected to Logan, thus the tats, matching clothes, insisting he move to the US, asserting that he'll not date anyone else. Christ, he's even following her orders about never talking to Dorian, his friend since he was 16.

Alright, incoming screencap dump. Dorian came through. 1/4

2/4

3/4

4/4

Dorian and his girlfriend, I'm rooting for you guys. Legit. I'm rooting for Logan too.

>>442463
I will say this: I had always felt bad for Dorian but now I see I don't have too.
You guys are awesome, and are leaving all that shit behind and will have a great future.
Thanks for sharing, thanks for telling the truth.

Now is #saveLogan program

>>442466
I feel bad that he had to suffer such a shit childhood because his mom is a psychotic whore, but I'm happy that he's got a much better life now and is finally free.

#FreeLogan

>>442460
My favorite parts:

> Confirmed that Raven took control of Dorians facebook page without his permission during the "fake suicide saga".
> Confirmed she lies about how bad her life actually was for self-pity attention seeking.
> Confirmed she cheated on Logan MORE THAN ONCE.
> Confirmed she uses Ryan for things and money, and that he did not rape nor kept her captive like she said during the "CJ saga".
> Confirmed she is a patological liar.
> Confirmed she fucked up Logans mind pretty badly (like, who the hell marries a boy younger than her own son and than asks him to 'daddy up' and beat his stepson?).

Again - Dorian and the lovely girlfriend - you guys are awesome, we wish you the very best.

sorry for samefagging
But also:
>Confirmed she copies Boos tattoos ideas.

>>442460
Dorian, being a mother I have this overwhelming desire to give you and your girlfriend a big, warm hug, and assure you that everything is going to be alright. Trite as it may sound I'd want to bake you some cookies and pour you a big glass of milk, lol.
That freakish wreck of a woman will be gone very soon. She has no right to refer to herself as a mother. She is a vicious bitch who miraculously whelped out a gem of a son. Do not allow a tittle of her vitreol to sink into your heart or mind as truth, hard as that may be. My heart bleeds for both you and your girlfriend. That bitch is a monster; I am sickened by the filth this bitch spewed at her own child.

Dorian, for the love of all that is decent and holy–latch onto the good in the world, and know that most people are decent and loving, and hold onto your girlfriend and your friends because they are your true family.

If you ever decide to have children of your own please remember never to repeat the travesties inflicted upon you by that bitch, Raven. That, and the living of a happy, peaceful, stable life with a loving partner by your side would be the greatest comuppance of all.

>>442436
Hoooooooly shit. is she trying to compete with Margaret Palermo in the most horrible mother contest? I'm not even sure who's worse at the moment. What kind of parent says that to and about their child and the person they love who has been nothing but nice to her Ms. Piggy looking ass?

I hope that she gets more than a rude awakening when she moves to the States. I hope the bitch becomes homeless. She deserves so much worse than living without a roof over her head.

Dorian and lovely girlfriend, please don't let a person like that get you down. Even if she is your mom, it's fucking wrong what she said. She's projecting her own flaws and problems onto you guys because she is the one who's an entitled bastard. I wish you two the best of luck and all the love in the universe!

>>442436
Fuck. I never want to be so mentally deranged that I spit such unexcusable vitriol at my son. I'm so so sorry for Dorian having a mother like this.

Dorian, I hope you don't internalise any of that shit. None of this is your fault. You didnt choose your parents, and as much as your gf seems wonderful, you are good enough on your own too, so there's no need to fear the future either way.

>>442460
I hope she does stay in the states. It seems like it would make life better for a whole bunch of people who surely don't deserve this shit, Dorian and his lovely girlfriend only for starters.

Sigh… I'm going to go hug my kid.

>>442463
I am so fucking impressed by Dorian (hoping you read that). It's incredible how well adjusted you are despite all the abuse you faced since your birth, and let's be honest, Raven is downright abusive towards everyone around her.

Being a narcissist kid is no joke and good on you for getting free of her clutch and finding a proper gf to support you.

Also good on the gf for not bailing out of this ridiculous shitshow, even though I wouldn't blame anyone for it. You're a saint and proper wife material. It warms my cold cynical heart to see you guys sticking together against that fucking slime boss Raven.

>>442463
H o l y shit, nothing beats seeing people actually escape their shitty life and have such a proactive stance. Atleast not on a /cow thread, GG GUYS GO BE HEALTHY YOUNG ADULTS.

(Sage for no contrib)

the guy she had on facebook before josh was called Eddie, he's the one who catfished her when she posted that video a few months ago ranting about it as if it happened years ago, but really it was recent. she was just as head over heels for him as she is for josh now.

>>442459
Logan's friend here, she's full of shit when she says he's not going to be talking to other girls. Just saying. But let her believe whatever her crazy ass wants, I guess.

It's 4am in my part of the U.S. and I cannot yet go to sleep due to the deluge of cold, creamy, grade A milk that floweth forth. Thank you so very much Dorian and Girlfriend.

To reiterate: we farmers are all on your side, and we want nothing more than for you two to be safe and happy. Please, never EVER feel pressured to answer any questions that make you uncomfortable in any way, or for any reason for that matter. In fact, you could tell all of us to fuck off right now and we would understand and be grateful for the answering so many questions already (your answers have cleared up so much for us, and we thank you for that). Also, please be careful, i am serious. Raven is going to lose her shit, i imagine, when she sees this.

I do have a few questions though: do you know whether or not Raven has been officially diagnosed with BPD? Has she ever sought help in any capacity? Also, Dorian, did Raven ever beat you as a child?

Thank you again.

>>442478
To remember is to live again > Eddie story starts at 06:58

>>442471
I can't agree with this enough !

I'm not a mother but I just want to give you guys big hugs !

You're both awesome it's not easy to make it ( I moved out at 16 ) and I definitely didn't have a mom like raven dragging me down, It's amazing that you had the courage to set the record straight and finally break free ! I genuinely wish you and your gf the best !
You guys are adorable!

>>442482
wow, she's so cut up over it even though she was clearly with logan at the time.

>>442484
Yeah it's the first time I've watched that video and by her timeline she was very clearly cheating on Logan…

And now Dorian has confirmed it, I wonder how she'll try to explain it away this time…

>>442486
Poor Logan, roped in at such a young age, and then once he's grown up a bit more, she cheats on him and runs off.

Is Dorian still willing to answer more questions? I was curious about the start of Raven and Logan's relationship. She claims you (Dorian) were constantly asking her to look at Logan's pictures and to meet him, but I'm pretty sure all of us here call BS on that and it was in fact her who pursued him. Could you shed any light on this?

Also, is it true she made you take nude/semi nude photos of her at any point?

If you are too uncomfortable answering anything then no worries, you've already provided a lot of insight and for that we're grateful!

>>442486
she'll claim we made it all up somehow

Question for Dorian
> I know this is old, but I always wanted to know the truth about Ally - the 'foster' girl Raven and Logan wanted to adopt.

This may be old news but the photo of her vag that was floating around?

For someone who has to constantly protest that they aren't a slutty whore, This seems an odd reply…

>>442512

Yes, the tribute pics are old news.

NSFW!

https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/tribute-starbl00d-339115
https://xhamster.com/photos/gallery/tribute-to-starbl00d-339535

>>442512

She also submitted nudes to this site but angrily demanded that they be removed after she got together with Logan.

https://scoptophilia.blogspot.com/search/label/Raven%20Starblood

Oh Dorian. I am so sorry you went through all of this.

Even though she likes to pretend it was horrible for her, it seems you bore the brunt of her terrible decisions.

And to add to her mother of the year award, she tells her exes not to help you should you ever need it, and they agree!? I hope karma wreks her fatass.

Dorian and gf, if you ever need help with something, please do not hesitate to ask us. I think most people on here are happy to help you, should you ever need it. Please never give those fucking assholes the time of day ever again.

People love to complain about the younger generations. But you two prove that younger generations are so kind, caring, and smart. The world is better for you.

>>442393
>cry RAPE and fly on her broom back to NZ ASAP<

fuckin keeeek! I hope Dorian and gf slap her fatass with the law book should she try.

>>442463
The picture of Dorian and his girlfriend makes me smile. I actually can't believe he's come out of this okay. I would be an absolute mess if my mother treated me the way Raven has treated him. Those messages she sent were absolutely disgusting!!! To think that this evil woman wants another child!? What, so she can abuse it like she did Dorian? Wtf

>>442517
I wasn't referring to the photos as such but her own reply to them, I knew about the photos just not her approval of men openingly jacking off to them

>>442463
You two are so cute I just want to cuddle you both! I know life is tough and you're young in difficult circumstances but keep trying your best. You two are young and even if your relationship doesn't last forever enjoy each other and set each other up to have great lives together or apart. Just have a lot of fun.

I'm so sorry for Dorian. His mother let all her boyfriends abuse and she's probably the cause of a lot of issues he'll continue to live with. Not only that, but she goes around wishing he was aborted. She really is the worst cow aside from Margo. I can't WAAAAAIT tills he gets to America. She can eat all the words she so cruelly threw at Dorian.

I love the milk but I'm kinda scared she'll do something since they helped US, her wost enemies -eyeroll-

I wonder if Josh reads here and if so, is he scared? Lol. She said he has no problem fighting the haters but I haven't seen a word from him. Probably because he has a job so he has no time for Ravens nonsense. Wonder how much his work bothers her lol.

So she's said twice now (that we know of) that she wishes she had him aborted? Unbelievable.

She posted some random picture YESTERDAY evening and Josh commented too late apparently (9 hours ago as it says) and Raven was not happy about it kek. Is Josh really such a cuck??

>>442537
Oh how this has changed from the original comments!!

I think whichever anon called him not showing up at the airport might be right on the money! It's so awkward

>>442534
She said she forbid Josh from coming here because she feared 'our lies' would get to him. But she said his brother came here once to have a look at it when we're talking about their mom and the couch.

Also
>>442535
Not twice. I've lost count, multiple times in facebook and youtube rants. She ended up deleting most of them.

>>442537
I thought he just posted late because of time zones and him having a job now

>>442552
Let's not forget: job she made him get to buy a new couch.
This is textbook Raven, she finds useless man who can be online with her all day, but then she decides they need to work to provide and gets angry 'cuz they are not around all the time anymore.
She then looks online for another useless man, and repeat.

>>442555
She wants validation, attention ect, but ALSO wants a provider. She isn't capable of thinking of anyone else outside herself and wants to be entertained 24/7. Can't possibly fathom that the reason they aren't there all the time or lose interest is because they are tired from working. She's selfish and just wants it all. I cannot see what she'd provide as a partner in a relationship at all. Sure she compliments them for a short while when she's on a love high, but the compliments are all very shallow, mostly things to do with physical appearance. Woman is an absolute nutcase.

>>442563
That's true. She's one of those people that live for a new relationship. When everything is fresh, everyone is nice and trying their best to please eachother, your partner is interested in you and asks you questions about yourself (I mean she lives for that, talking about herself is her hobby) and when the heat goes down and they get comfortable with each other she just starts being worse than ever and demanding shit without giving anything back.

I hate raven. I really do not "hate" any other lolcow, I dislike a lot of them but it's just petty but raven? I actually DETEST her. reading what she did to Dorian made me fucking sick. I hope she dies. Sage for rage.

>>442594
You aren't alone. I used to only browse this site for years without really commenting until I found Raven's thread. I actually couldn't believe her drama was real. It's unbelievable that she is so far removed from reality that she treats people the way she does. I can't wait till shit falls apart for her in the states. I want her to get her bad karma back. Her poor son. Poor Logan. I even feel sorry for that Ryan bloke that she's using. Sure he's an idiot, but Raven is a serial liar. Who knows what shit she's spinning to him?

Seeing Dorian and his girlfriend has honestly made my week. They look so happy and stable, despite what that vile cunt of a so-called 'mother' has put them through. I want them to do so well in the world, I can't even begin to describe how much good they deserve.

Raven, I hope you read this and see that you are less than the shit at the bottom of a dumpster. Your job as a mother is to love and protect your baby, you CHOSE to do neither.

>>442600
It still grinds my gears that this is the same bitch that wanted another child. I don't get it. She sounds like she absolutely despises her own son. She's a bad parent, what makes her think a second child would be any different?

>>442601
I also wonder this. Does she realize that babies require work? Like, a lot of work? And time? And money? All things she does not like giving up for other people, regardless of age.

>>442594
Same anon, raven is one of those people id laugh at if they ended up dead. I’d hate onision in the same manner if he didn’t take care of his kids (I think he does somewhat at least)

I really hope we get a rage video before she leaves. Wonder if anyone told her about what's happening here (or if she checked on her own).

This seems awful to say, but I'm so happy Raven had those miscarriages and isn't able to have children. A child does not need to go through the trainwreck Raven is. She is the scum of the earth and a terrible mother. I don't think she deserves to be called "mother" tbh. Call her an Incubator. That's all she did really for Dorian.

In this video she talks at length about what a bad and abusive mother she has been, admitting that lolcow was correct, and says that she has apologised to and patched-up her relationship with Dorian.

Did she lie or is she simply unable to correct her behaviour?

Samefagging but I'm also happy to hear Dorian is doing well. Still, as anybody who was raised by abusive parents know, it's a process to manage, it's not just "a you move out and it's over" situation. . Sounds though like they are both willing to use the mental health system and that's good. Understanding all the ways your crazy mother fucked you up can take years.

Raven is wrong, she assumes someday Dorian will need family, meaning her. She's not understanding that he's making his own family right now, with his girlfriend, friends, and others who care. That's your family dude, not some crazy cow who gave birth to you.

I have a kid and there are no circumstances under which I would ever say anything like that to him, and I'd help him until the day I die if he needed it. So Dorian didn't have a real mother and he shouldn't feel bad if he decides never to speak to her again.

>>442658
That video is 2 years old, try to not make it misleading next time.

>>442664
not that anon, but meh, the 'weightloss adventure' bit should have made it obvious it was old. sage your nitpicking next time.

Raven has seen lolcow and all the updates.

>>441980
lol of course, wouldn't expect anything less.

>>442680
Any more sauce on this, anon?

>>442682
I'm Dorian's girlfriend aha. I've sent the screenshots via Dorian to the anon who is helping us use lolcow via facebook so they'll go up whenever the anon is active again. I speak for both Dorian and I when I say thank you for listening to this side of the story also. It's been pretty lovely for him to find that the people who dislike his mom don't dislike him-He's always afraid because she's made so many enemies in christchurch that people will hate him too. It's been nice to see support and actually kind, even helpful messages here.

>>442686

You should check out https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/ They have a lot of info for dealing with people like Raven. I wish you two the best!!

>>442686
Thank you for coming on lolcow and sharing your side of the story. I think I can say that pretty much everyone who's followed the Raven saga thus far wants the best for Dorian. He's been through so much with that leech and you've been such a positive influence in his life. You're seriously the best!! I also wish you guys the best!! <3

>>442686
One of the reasons we find Raven reprehensible is telling Dorian she should have aborted him. We never hated him and despite an occasional anon crit (we can be hateful bitches. That's what this site is for), we still, as a majority, would never blame Dorian for Raven's actions. Even when Logan would read Raven's scripts on camera, we truly never even disliked him. Dorian isn't close to horrible person material and seems to focus on his own life. You two are welcome here if you need to vent about the things Raven has done. We're grateful that you shared stuff we have no right to. And don't get discouraged if you get an anon hate message every now and again. There's always a queen cunt lurking in our mists.

Here are the screencaps of the message Dorian received today from Josh's account.

>>442698
>>442698
>dorian never had to photograph the abyss
THANK FUCK. I really needed to know that wasn't true, the poor guy has suffered more than enough without that horror.

also top fucking kek at 'Josh', who absolutely doesn't read here and writes exactly like Raven.

>I wish you'd been an abortion
>I'm going to tell everyone to cut you off
>badmouthes the fuck out of the poor guy every chance she gets
then
>you destroyed your relationship with your mother!
this bitch, wew

>>442698
Cry more you fat bitch, why don't you fake your death again?

>>442698
question: why does she have such a vendetta against dorian's gf? even if that stuff were true and his gf left him why does raven rabidly bring this shit up every fucking time? it's literally none of her business, especially if she apparently disowned dorian.

>>442698
She takes yet another opportunity to claim a teenage girl is a whore. Fuck this woman hater. Keep reading, Raven, you fuck. You deserve all of our hate. I'm going to watch Josh react poorly to your fatass surprising him with your move/burdens. You call a kid a fucking bitch on your channel and expect her to let you own the narrative? You're just angry that a pretty alt girl showed your son that women aren't fat disgusting slobs like yourself. Choke on Taco Bell, cunt.

>>442664
Is that you, Raven?

>>442698
Raven already has control of Josh's social media, confirmed

No wonder Josh is less than excited about her imminent arrival. He's seen some of the truth by now.

He can't even do a day's work in peace.

Laughing my ass off at "Josh" saying no parent/child relationship is perfect and it's all in the past.
Bitch, this goes so far beyond normal imperfections I can't even express it. All parents make mistakes, but repeatedly telling your son that you wish he was dead, that he's scum like his dad, that he'll never amount to anything - that's no mistake. That's malicious, cruel, manipulative trash.

And to blame your child for how your relationship is completely ignore someone your responsibility as a paren to be the fucking adult one.

Raven, I'm so glad you're reading all this, you hateful, spiteful hag. Enjoy knowing that his girlfriend has had more of a positive effect on his life in months than you have ever had. You deserve all of this, you pathetic excuse for a mother.

>>442712
She's like a virus. Infects all your social medias and it spreads if you get exposed to her.

>>442707
Because she’s young and has her whole life ahead of her, his girlfriend has shown Dorian that is true for himself too. All Raven wanted for her son was to get on welfare and do nothing, just like her.

>>442698
It sucks that them speaking here has caused further harassment to them, it was to be expected and I’m sure they knew that. But, damn. Thank you guys for speaking out for us and for yourself, hopefully when she leaves you won’t hear from them for a long while.
There’s a reason why she is on here and you haven’t done anything wrong for speaking out.

>>442698
Let us not forget that in her most recent video, published only THREE days ago (9/28), she says the following:
>So yeah, uh…a lot of people have asked about Dorian. I don't want to go into why we're not talking, but we're not talking at all, and I fucking hate his stupid little girlfriend. She's got a big part to do with us not talking, and I'm not even going to go into that because I'll probably get the cops called on me for saying shit I shouldn't about some stupid little fucking bitch. But suffice it to say, she has ripped apart our family because she's a fucking cunt.< (Gravy, 24 min into the "Final thoughts before moving back overseas" video)

But Gravy, then you say to leave it in the past? Or is it that, because of your restraining order YOU can't speak on it (aka lie and control the message), therefore no one else is aloud to get their message and should respect "that shit that happened in the past needs to stay that way", hmmm?

Seems a bit hypocritical demanding the past is the past, seeing as how you were the one to bring up Dorian and his gf in your latest video.

Please tell me you've blocked the "Josh" account.

>>442698
Lol I thought Josh wasn't allowed on lolcow? Hi Raven. It's clearly you, drop the charade. It's flattering that you care so much about our opinion of your honesty, but no, you broke your oath to never speak to them again. Also very sad your white knight can't even come to your defense in his own words, by his own volition. Instead you hijack his FB and use him as a channel for your vitriol. Sad. What's he good for then?

Also lol you have no right to judge. This girl cuddles or some shit, okay. You were literally a prostitute and talking to two men behind your husband's back when he wasn't allowed to fap. Even now you're living off a man's paycheck without contributing. The more you judge her, the worse YOU look, having done 100x worse.

Also Josh in case you're listening: Is this how you imagined yourself at middle-age? Letting some fat old bitch you never met have full access to your FB so she can yell at her adult son? You'll never have a son yourself but you'll be raising a child, Raven's all yours now.

>>442707
She lost control of Dorian after the GF. He's standing up for himself now, so obviously his gf brainwashed him! Why wouldn't a grown ass boy drop his job and whole life to move to bumfuck hicksville and live on taco bell in 1-room motels while his mom flirts with and fucks a stranger. She blames the gf entirely for his sane choice to stay in NZ.

She doesn't even want to bring him out of love. She's just a pussy, scared of living there by herself. Like the child she is, she wants her hand held. So hardcore and dark-souled, muh unicorns, muh plushies! She wants her son to take care of her and validate her Twilight story RP. Now she only has the net for that; she has no friends left (that haven't fucked her.)

And yeah she's extremely jealous of this girl's youth, beauty, likableness, she has a job, etc.

>>442726
She can't comprehend women and men being friends so she's probably blowing shit like that out of proportion. It doesn't matter, because unlike Raven, Dorian's gf is not spending all day every day putting her personal life online and screwing people over. If it weren't for Raven putting everything in excrutiating detail online, neither of them would have any of their private life made public.

>>442463
Oh my god, Bless you two. This makes me so happy to see that you both are there for each other no matter what. Thank you so much for coming forward, I'm sure you guys will be successful!

>>442698
While I realise this is Raven, it is very disturbing the way she has used partner after partner as "proxies" to abuse Dorian.

Keep your head up, mate.

>>442698
Well, Raven is being super cautious because she knows she can't speak directly to them, restraining orders also aply to online chats.

>>442723
I love that Raven’s favorite thing to call other women is “cunt”. Because no one is a bigger cunt than she is.

>>442728
Yeah I agree with this. I'm pretty sure he hates Dorian's gf because she has helped Dorian out of a bad situation and Raven HATES losing control. She liked to control Dorian, the amount of times I heard her say MY son. She sees him as her mere property. She also hates any woman more attractive than herself.

>>442698
If that really was Josh, him and this waste of life deserve each other. Josh, if that really was you, I don't feel bad for you. She's going to ruin your life and you'll deserve it, and it's a good thing her uterus is a toxic swamp and you two can't create more children to use and abuse. Gross. Raven, the only good thing you've ever done with your life is Dorian, lol. If you DID abort him, then you would be entirely worthless. Fuck you, Raven and potentially fuck Josh too if he actually thinks it's okay to do what you did to Dorian lol.

>>442775
she's also always been a fucking weirdo about other women generally. like she is just automatically jealous and hates other women, it's really awful.

i'm so glad she never had a daughter, with what Dorian went through as a male, I can only imagine how she would have treated a girl. she's so fucking awful.

>>442790
I feel like she would've purposely mutilated a daughter's face to try to make her ugly.

>>442463
You are both so amazing and I'm so happy for you both. I know I'm just an anon on the internet, but I truly wish the best for you guys. Dorian, I am so sorry you had to live and grow up with such a piece of udder shit mother. I am on your side and so thankful you have such a wonderful woman as your girlfriend. Keep fighting and don't stop, you deserve all the happiness in the world.

^ I agree. Keep your chin up Dorian! We're all rooting for you and your gf.

>>442698
Blantantly Raven's writing

>>442899
Raven must be dying from the inside right now.
She wants to talk about it, but she can't.
She can't release a video while she is in NZ or she will get arrested.
So, she will arrive in the states consumed by rage and highly torn by it.
Josh is thinking she will fuck him, nah, she will record a rant kek

>>442900
How would she get arrested though? Unless she makes a threat. I'm just curious. But yeah I'm surprised she hasn't already made like 2-3 explosive videos about this.

>>442902
I'm not. It's the same as when that playlist of videos was accidentally public. She will pretend to be calm and nonchalant about it, and until she can hold it together enough to do that, she will hold her tongue.

In this case, it also depends on whether she wants Joshie to know. Josh might have given her a password to his account, but does he know she spoke to her son that way with it? Will he want her meeting his family if this is how she gets? Will she want everyone to know her own son has given information to those evil irrational haters about her lies?

She won't respond until she's cooled down and figured how to twist the story. This one is a doozy so it could be a while.

>>442904
because dorian’s gf took out a restraining order against raven. if she contacts them then a call to the cops will get her ass arrested.

>>442911
I am not fully convinced she has his accent tho. Imo, it might be that she just copied and pasted what she wanted to say and made Josh send it.

Can't wait to hear what the excuse for her finding out will be now. Did a friend stumbled upon lolcow again? :D

>>442911
I'm not sure if she took control of his facebook, remember when just recently scorned him for not liking her pic fast enough?
Maybe she just gave him a text to copy and paste.

>>442915
kek anon
same thing
same time

>>442911
I can't wait to see how she's going to twist this story around. Dorian made it very clear she is a liar and that he has been abused by her. See rayray, being a shit person will catch up to you.

>>442916
She still wants actual Josh to look at her stupid pics, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have his password as a "sign of trust".

If he actually cut and paste that filth, what a shitty guy.

I'm still confident she won't reply until she can pretend it doesn't faze her.

>>442921
You are giving her too much credit.
I think she have already recorded something, and maybe even uploaded it privetly.
She won't release it untill she is out of NZ.

She will probably make a vid about Dorians lovely gf, with screencaps of whatever she thinks proves she is a "cunt".
Because thats all Raven does when she feels attacked, she launches her ad hominem mode.

I'm so proud of you both for not rising to her bullshit. It's obvious that Raven was the one who wrote that message but even for argument's sake if it was Josh, who the fuck does he think he is? He's not his father, he's barely his mother's boyfriend. I'm glad Raven is frothing at the mouth over this, she's a spiteful, vindictive washed up hag with nothing going for her except a couch and Taco Bell.

Dorian, you are a wonderful young man and your girlfriend is just amazing. I wish you both nothing but happiness in NZ.

>>442925
I don't know why she thinks "your -whatever she is- is a slut" is a good enough argument against everything she ever did to Dorian? It does not erase the fact that you're a horrible piece of shit, Raven. You don't deserve to be a mother, you hag. I'm soo happy you lost the only good thing you ever had. You will never have Dorian back, enjoy your miserable life, fat and being cheated on in the US. Safe travels!

>>442925
Will be interesting if she goes that far, given that it burns her bridge back to NZ. Wouldn't put it past her.

The countdown begins. 4 more sleeps until the Beast leaves New Zealand.

I fucking love that we farmers are more excited about the move than her and josh put together.

>>442935
We are excited for the same reason they are not: it is a mistake.
Everyone's realized by now.
She cheated on Logan, the only guy who fought for the right to be with her, who puts up with her shit, who works extra hours the get her all the stupid $200 plushies she wants, damaged to the point of loving her and getting a freaking portrait of hers in his chest.
All that for a twitching fedex driver who lives in his moms couch and won't even get her little name tattooed on him and is already forgeting to like her pictures.

>>442941
No but Josh is ALWAYS there remember

He's her knight in shining armour, He's always around to defend her whenever she needs it!

She must be so drove over how quickly this changed, I honestly don't think it's the job, I just think he's already bored of her drama and he hasn't even met her yet, I wouldn't be surprised if his family have freaked out knowing how quickly she's moving over and that's changed his mind too.

Either way there's no way josh was smart enough to realise what he was getting himself into but he might just have realised at the point of no return.

The level of disinterest on his part and the level of try hardness on hers is pathetic, I met my husband online and moved to the states and we spoke every single day, If he'd have made that face when I showed him my ticket i wouldn't be married to him!

>>442969
She wanted a knight in shining armour and all she's gotten is a meth head in tinfoil

>>442998
top kek

Is anyone else getting "sorry content not available" when trying to view her Raven Bradley facebook page?

>>443018
Yep, me too.

Compare the regret she expresses in her latest video to the regret she expresses over ending her relationship with Chris (husband #2) in her My Story #10 video which she filmed in 2013 after being with Logan for over a year.

She attributes her need to be controlling on having been abused and controlled by her exes.

>I do feel really really bad for what I've done with Chris. In a lot of ways he was the best, but in a lot of ways he obviously wasn't because he he hurt me a lot. He was really abusive and really controlling, and I just think that I wasn't really emotionally ready for a heavy relationship like that. And I was really unfair to him and, well, he's moved on now and he has a wife and he has two kids and everything. I missed how it was back then, you know, there's a lot of things that I wish I would have done differently. I would have grown up a bit more, not been such a cunt. I mean, you see how immature and stupid I was back then.

>And here I am with a guy that's, what, three, four years or more younger than I was at my youngest and, yeah, my youngest during all this, and he's able to handle it. You know, he was 16 when I got with him, and he's like already having to be a dad, and I'm doing…I 've had all these relationships I've been in where they take my freedom away. I've ended up becoming like that, and it's like, "No, I don't want you going to school. No, I don't want you having friends, damn sure no female friends. I want your passwords to everything and blah blah blah," you know. And everything that we do is, like, I know everything that goes on in his life, you know. Granted, most of it he has given me just to try to calm me because he honestly is like, "I have no interest in cheating on you or anything, so if I have no interest in doing anything wrong what's the harm in giving you my information?" So that's his way of thinking about things which is a very mature and good way, and it does help me with all of my issues, it helps me quite a bit.

>But the thing is, is that, like I said, he is younger than I was when I was a mom and a wife for the first time and everything, and he is able to to handle this relationship, and I wasn't. I was really immature and I was really selfish, and I did a lot of hurtful things, and if anything I wish that I could at least just take that back and, you know, not have caused Chris unnecessary pain, although he did plenty wrong himself. I just, you know, I have trouble remembering the bad, I always remember the good and what I've done wrong, not what other people have done wrong. And so I guess I need to work on that I guess.

>But..um…yeah, my life's really gone to hell a lot worse since I left him. It's been a non-stop struggle, worse than anything else, and I do kind of in a way think it was because I left him. It's like I get non-stop thinking bad karma from that, so I kind of wish sometimes that I had never left. And I remember things or sometimes I'll hear songs that we used to listen to and it's like, I remember that and it'll just instantly transport me back to when I was like 19 and we're in Florida and we're going to the, you known to the flea market and getting books and stuff, and I don't know…I had a young protective husband with me and it was just…I had my little boy and he was actually a cute little boy, not this brat he's become and stuff. And I don't know, I just miss it when life was a little bit simpler, and I wish I had been more clear-headed to actually take advantage of it back then instead of just like being a stuck-up self-destructive bitch, you know. I wasn't a very good person when I was younger, and that's why as I'm older now I've tried really hard to be a good person because I know I have a lot to make up for.

I'm calling it: she's gonna end the thing with Josh, not return to the US, and try to get back with Logan. The question then is, will Logan take her back, despite knowing she's literally cucked him, at least emotionally, and possibly physically with Ryan, and with 2 different men, at that.

SPOILER: I think he will.

>>443040
Lets not forget the video she would post calling Josh a rapist and or abuser.

>>443040
I think this too. She is so predictable honestly.
Love the way you dance for us rayray <3

She's changed her name back to Sparks on her main profile…oooh dear…I really want her to go though! Leave Dorian to flourish and Logan to be set free! Plus Christchurch is a lovely place, she doesn't belong there!

Gonna have to get that Joshua tat covered. Thankful that Dorian and his gf are protected by law from her.

>>443055
I wonder if Josh called things off.

That letter to Dorian using his account would be a dealbreaker to a lot of people; I wonder if that really opened his eyes to what/who he was dealing with. But yeah, although I think she will call off the trip, I wish she'd gtfo of NZ. No one there deserves her. Hell, Josh doesn't deserve her either (unless he actually did send that letter, in which case, game on), but at least she'd be away from a group of people she's harmed by pretty much any definition. And he has resources they don't.

On her Instagram she has been buying hundreds of dollars of makeup. First one there is a KVD vault collection from last year, worth around 150$ usd. The 5th pic is a set of a recent Sephora haul, a bunch of stuff I would eyeball around 200 at least. A bunch of kvd kipsticks, foundation, and eyeliners. She got brushes and maybe a mascara applicator?

>>443055

Which profile?

She has always used Sparks on blood.upon.my.soul.

She changed her name on Vv.Raven.vV to Raven Bradley (Sparks) from Marshall-Sparks in August.

>>443061

Why does she have or need two Instagram accounts?

I'm keeping an eye on her youtube.

I never noticed this on her profile before

Ole' racist ravey strikes again

Also can agree with anon on this profile her name was never Bradley, She has to go now there's no way she can stay after all this has come out..

In regard to the makeup/crazy spending I wouldn't doubt if she'd got a NZ credit card and is just running it up thinking they can't touch her when she's back in the states..

>>443075
"i have zero tolerance for ignorance, abuse, harrassment blah blah blah"

Oh Gravy, if you actually had zero tolerance, you wouldn't spew nothing but that crap towards other people

>>443040
Logan and I sorted things out. We love each other, our love is true, lolcow cannot get between us, no one can, I'm calling it quits with Josh, we weren't meant to be. I will ask for a refound on the tickets and Logan and I will move back together.

rate my fic.

Cue video blaming everyone and everything else for her shitty decisions and foul behavior toward others…and her getting back with Logan…

>>443080

I rate your fic a 5/10. Airline tickets are gunna be a fucking BIATCH to get a refund on so…. yeah

>>443082
she won’t get a refund. she’ll get a credit with the airline at the very most.

>>443099
>>443082
Won't stop her from trying and ranting, she is the queen of refunds ( http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/countrywide-transport/norcross-georgia-30071/countrywide-transport-rude-unresponsive-false-robbery-liars-theft-they-took-the-mon-276952 )

>>443080
6 /10 from me.

try: josh cheated on me / dumped me, logan has stepped up, someone else paid for the ticket anyway so lol.

>>443107
I wouldn't be so sure, She booked through Expedia and they're well known to be an utter nightmare to get refunds through, The t&cs are ironclad and she's already stated that she's flying with different airlines through the trip which normally voids you of most of your rights.

>>443110
Actually it's pretty easy to get refunds from Expedia now. They've become a huge company and ass kiss their customers. I was visiting Cali this summer and there was a small leak in the hotel. Long story short, they completely refunded me and found a new hotel for me. Took them over an hour talking to the hotel's manager but they succeeded.

However, airplanes don't work in the same way lol, there is a strict cancellation fee option with an additional charge. If she selected that, then she can receive a total refund if she changes her mind. She probably didn't though. And airline credit is only given if the airline was at fault (like arriving so late that you miss your next flight, etc.)

Y'know how there was some speculation that Josh was getting high on his mom's couch?

Maybe he actually was and cut back or had to quit for the job. I'd assume it was only a casual thing. And maybe the drugs were part of why he felt that vile beast was a good idea. Now that he's sobering up he's realizing the mistake/giving her less drug fueled attention. He seems much more 'sobered' up at least, even if not in the literal sense

>>443113
Holidays are protected differently though if they're in a package like you said, I tried to move a flight I booked with them last year and they wanted to charge me £200 plus the cost difference of the new flight

It's been over 2 months since Raven's "Joshua" tattoo. Where's Josh's "Raven" tattoo? Lol…
He also stopped religiously liking her social media posts, and pretty much completely stopped liking her Instagram posts. It seems he's lost that initial interest.

>>443117
Interesting, sorry you experienced that. I went to Hawaii as well this summer though and once again had an easy time moving hotels and changing my plans throughout my package deal. It was almost a joke, so I do believe they're improved a lot since last year. I can't be sure though, of course. It's also worth noting that Expedia is international and each place's rep may be a little less understanding, etc.

Having said this, in no way do I believe Raven is getting a discount. I'm sure she planned for no cancellation and has to go through with this now.

>>443121
Yeah, it seems the initial novelty of Raven has wore off… Or the drugs have wore off, either way his interest in her has dwindled dramatically.

>>443121
Josh and CJ booked the tattoo artist together, they will have it done like… any given time now… maybe like… soon.

>>443121
Probably because he has a job now and can't be online 24/7, which is why she is getting agitated with him (hence the photo where she called him out for being "late" on commenting kek).

I appreciate all the speculation and all the milk but god damn it makes me scared she's gonna stay and haunt Logan forever lol. Hope she comes up with a ranty video soon, telling us how she's really leaving…

>>443113
i just cancelled a flight that i booked through expedia (american airlines) and did not get a refund, only a credit, and not for the full amount of the flight either.

if she goes full hysterical customer mode she MIGHT get a refund but airlines usually don’t give a fuck. they aren’t retail and will get business no matter what.

>>443136
Full hysterical mode… sounds like someone we know…

>>443040
She could. I mean it's not like she paid for those plane tix herself so she probably doesn't care how expensive it is to just back out of a flight like that.
And sadly Logan would probably take her back.
I hope his mom intervenes more heavily if that happens.

>>443075
>In regard to the makeup/crazy spending I wouldn't doubt if she'd got a NZ credit card and is just running it up thinking they can't touch her when she's back in the states..
I wonder how this even works. It would be funny af if she was doing this and it caught up to her.

>>443136
Shoot :( Darn Expedia. I did sound very angry each time though (on purpose, lol) so maybe that played a small part, who knows. And yeah, I agree with you.

>>443134
I mean there's for sure a small doubt, omg that would be bad haha. But considering aaall the trouble she's gone through for this, it just makes sense for her to leave.

even if raven does cancel, let’s face it, she’s going to try to pretend she’s in the states for like a month to keep the haturZ guessing.

>>443127
>>443128
>>443131

I agree with all of you haha. He's backed off significantly. His life isn't defined by Raven, but for some reason she thinks it should be. I can't believe she gets so salty when he doesn't like like her post fast enough. He also replied in a defensive way so maybe he's finally getting sick of her.

I do wonder though. Is Raven seriously this dense and doesn't see through his lies? Like how they have to find a new place even though he apparently had one lol… How he hasn't gotten that tattoo. How he's been backing away from her. Does she really believe he's genuine and genuinely in love with her? Damn… lol.

>>442915
Found her excuse…


Fixed, ty!

>>443060
>>443066
my mistake Raven Bradley profile is still unavailable though - what will dirty grandma do next…

So… Raven bought the ticket and uploaded that vid on september 16th.

I really think Josh was not expecting to leave his momma couch untill it 'got real'.

No credit crack head won't get a place for his LURVE.

Every time I read her 'wedding story' I'm struck by its resemblance to a story in a shitty true romance magazine. It is the nonstop, mentally ill ramblings of a next level tacky dumb-dumb.

>>443193

Brilliant. He so does not want her there.

>>443193
Raven is so lucky she has lolcow sleuths to do her critical thinking for her. If not for the anons who figured out all of Josh's bullshit, she would have been moving there blissfully unaware that she was getting a oneway ticket to Josh's mom's sofa.

I still think she'll go, because she has such a hard time admitting she was wrong about anything, and she's been selling their "love" and this move sooo hard. I think she'll go just to not have to back down from that.

However, even if she doesn't, either way will be milky as fuck. I can't wait to hear the lies she comes up with about Josh to excuse if she doesn't go, OR the inevitable meltdown if she does go.

Excuses for the spending. In her mind spending money now is going to make her self sufficient.

>>443080
>>443040
Urgh I'm pissed because I bet that's what gonna happen. I knew they were both getting cold feet and the honeymoon phase was over pretty fast, but she probably lost her last marbles when she saw Dorian's gf spilling the beans.

For all the love I have for them, I honestly wish they'd have waited till she was in that damn airplane. I bet she ranted and ranted about it to Josh who saw was a goddamn awful person she is and made him post that stuff.

I wonder if Raven wasn't self sabotaging her trip anyway, she was being a huge asshole rambling about all the men loving her. It's crazy how old she is and yet so transparent, even middle schoolers can be more subtle.

I can see that vid clearly.
>Lolcow ruined my life
>Josh wasn't strong enough
>He lied and was abusive (probs referring to the problems they had a while back, fat chance she'll let that slide and not use it against him)
>Gonna stay in NZ but it's so awful I'll still try to go to the US with Logan
>For now we decided to put off the divorce but we'll see if we live together again (ie in 2 weeks) and he's not allowed to talk to girls in the meantime anyway

>>443199

tbh i want her way gone from logan, so maybe less sleuthing at this point

>>443200

Seriously, Ravey, your narrative skills are non-existent.

Everything in the world is high drama to this retard.

>>443200
>I just can't put that on him

But it's OK to put it on a 21 year old kid who she's browbeaten and mentally abused for 5 years. Gotta love her ethical and moral code.

Here are a few more answers from Dorian and his lovely girlfriend.

>>443193

She bought the ticket around August 25th, six weeks before her departure date.

>>443193
This is amazing! He clearly doesnt want her there, isnt ready to leave him moms couch at all! He's backed off majorly. I almost feel sorry for her. She'll ogo of course, gotta prove the haterz wrong hasnt she but shes going to be stuck in a very lonely drug addled hostel life. His family love Claudia and she'll never compare to her

>>443224
>she's worried about the consequences of saying something else actually attached to her name because of screenshots<

Gravy, you should be worried. We are documenting all of your bullying and harassment. Ain't nothing we'd like more than to provide receipts for the police.

>>443200

She brought money so that Josh wouldn't have to buy her makeup, clothes, or PADS? There's something I wasn't actively wondering. You have to love cows who volunteer so much weird tmi shit.

>>443224
>All I ever said was hey "I made a new friend" because I was excited that I made a new friend

jfc. I come to this thread to get bitchy not sloppy lol. So many hugs to you, Dorian.

>>443245
I second that, the thought of a son being happy they've made a new friend and their mum deciding to seduce their friend….ugh. So sad.

>>443224
I cannot say how much I'm sorry that you had to go through it, Dorian.
I wish you the best, with your lovely gf, with your school and future.
Congratulations for stepping out of that fat hag claws of abuse.
Be brave, be better!

Seems like she is just hell bent on destroying Dorian any way she knows how. Physically, emotionally and mentally… He couldn't even make a new friend without his mom taking that away from him. I'm disgusted that someone is capable of doing half the things she has done to her son. Honestly I am really hoping she does go through with the move so he and his girlfriend can be safe and happy with no chance of ever seeing her again. Dorian and his girlfriend, we all stand with you! Stay strong and don't let her bring you down to her level with her petty ass drama. You are stronger, smarter and better than her.

>>443200
>a small part time job

wait what? why is this the first she ever mentioned this?

in b4 a handjob is still a job

>>443280
Small part time job as in Ryan and the johns who gave her the phones are paying her for sex.

>>443247
not just that … the way it's phrased. it speaks to his loneliness and difficulty making new friends because of cyclone fuckwit deciding to hag around all over the place and drag him along. heartbreaking stuff.

It really upsets me that because ravey has made so many enemies in Christchurch that dorian gets tarred with the same brush. i really want her to leave so everyone can just get on with their lives. i've been to Christchurch multiple times - it's an amazingly arty city hit hard by the quakes…which oddly raven never mentioned…my sister lived there throughout the earthquakes and found an amazing do it yourself community and lots of love…i guess raven was just indoors playing facebook games the whole time…

>>443280

Earlier this year she mentioned having "a small job that I love."

>>443224
Damn… I'm sorry you were abused like that, Dorian… No child deserves that kind of a childhood. I'm really happy you're in a better period now. I admire your courage and ability to be a kind human after years of… This. Truly, I'm proud of you.

I was reading her wedding blog yesterday with the details of her looking at Logan for the first time… It made me sick. The way she was describing a 16 year old boy, a boy younger than her own son… She is disgusting.

I hate the way she was talking bad about Logans mom because Logans mom was younger than Raven and Raven couldn't believe she is not being respected, since she is older.

Raven you beat your son and mentally abuse him, fake your own death, tell lies 24/7, date a 16 year old… But god forbid someone disrespects an elder. Geeee… Now that's a sin.

>>443116
I used to be fucked up half the time and I couldn't even go through with party plans or continue conversations I started while fucked up once I was sober for even a day or two lol. If Josh actually was just strung out while getting all serious with Raven and is now sober for work, it would explain a lot. I can't get his reaction to the ticket out of my head. Even later on the porch he seemed so fucking defeated and uncomfortable. I wouldn't be surprised if he's so overwhelmed and repulsed once she gets there that he just goes back to using lol.

sorry if this has been discussed - but has she ever mentioned the earthquakes in her vids/updates…cos it seems like she's so self obsessed and petty that natural disasters arent on her radar.

>>443321
The only times I remember her mentioning the quakes is in relation to how many amenities she can't get in Christchurch and how much she hates it.

I am from Christchurch and lived there during the quakes, and I can't imagine talking about it like that, as though it's just an inconvenience to HER. Everyone is inconvenienced, Raven, and you got super fucking lucky that your house, family, pets were all okay.

>>443321
She sometimes says something on fb. Nothing big enough to note, I think in a video she brought it up but more about damage of one a year or so ago. I am not local so I don’t know if she brings it up as often as they happen or just when it’s big.

>>443321

She made several posts on her Official Raven Sparks Facebook page and posted a couple of videos which are now private or have been deleted.

>>443328
my family live there, and it was a big fucking deal - a lot of people with ptsd - so in some ways i'm confused she didn't dine out on disaster. but anyway the place is getting back on its feet and will be 100% better without her…so i pray she actually leaves.

I really don't think she'll leave. Why? Because she's a narcissist who would be losing control of Logan as well as her son (even though she doesn't actually control him, as long as she's physically around she knows she can make him uncomfortable). There's no way she can let go of that control. She will desperately claw her way back in with Logan and will stay with him for a couple of more years until a better white knight comes along. Thing is, she's rapidly ageing out of the dating scene. Sorry Ravs, no matter how young you think you look a 40+ y/o woman's worth on the dating scene is nil. She'd be smart to look for an older man but of course she's not smart.

>>443477
I am really torn because I agree with this, but on the other hand I also think she WILL leave because she's so narcissistic.
She needs to prove the haters wrong, that's why she does everything she does in life. She needs to be right about Josh, and I don't think she knows how to handle admitting that they were never in love.
Unless she can find something to lie about Josh so she doesn't feel like it's her failure (he cheated, he lied, etc etc.) then I think she has to go because she can't handle the haters being right again.

>>443496
True. I think she will go because if she stays, she opens up conversation about her cheating on Logan with Josh and another dude. If she goes, that story line kind of dies.

>>443194
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING. In Australia, there's a magazine that mostly elderly women buy for stories and crosswords. It's named 'that's life'. If you send in love stories or stories about your life, you can get $200. Sage for blogpost, but my babysitter growing up was an old lady who used to buy the magazine, and I used to read the stories in it. Often they are sent in by white trash women, with titles like 'I ended up marrying my boyfriend's brother!' complete with photos. Even as a kid I would cringe at the way they wrote about true love ect…the first time I watched Raven's video and recently read her wedding story, I was reminded of the way those stories were written. Trashy and drama filled.

>>443544
I think she enjoys being gossip fodder. She probably thinks she's on the same level as celebrities who are constantly written about in trashy magazines , and it makes her feel important and like people are obsessed with her. Raven… just a reminder that those celebrities don't self submit and then have a million messy public reactions after the fact. Keeping giving yourself asspats and convincing yourself that you're making money off of us , though.

>>443544

Haha, yeah, I'm glad I wasn't alone in noticing this. She's definitely old enough to have checked out those magazines as a kid, they were way more popular back in the day. True Romance and True Confessions were the big ones in the US. They're so out there. It's always unwanted pregnancy, wrong baby daddy, rape, or screwing someone you shouldn't.

Most wtf story title I ever saw: Carnival Rape Date.

Ravey definitely missed her calling.

Catching up. Too fucking angry to say much.

Except this.

Raven somehow, against all the odds, actually did have something good to her name. Dorian. Despite all her fuckery, all the men, all the guilt, blame and drama.

Unfortunately, she doesn't know real worth if it smacked her in the face. And fortunately, she's not some,self-apointed arbiter anyway.

Dorian honey, this is not a place known for "nice." But I truly hope you can free yourself from this vile woman and all she has inflicted. Your gf is a diamond, the two of you are great, but you alone define yourself. And you show more maturity, kindness and manners towards your mother than she's ever shown you. You're absolutely the bigger person.

I really truly wish you only good from hereon in. It's not easy to get over having the responsibilities of the world dumped on your shoulders and, if you ever find yourself struggling, please reach out for help. You are a very valuable human being - never, ever forget that.

>>443477

As if an older man would publicly go for this fat slob covered in ink with a face full of holes, don't think so. She is stuck looking for people trashier and more retarded than she is.

I forgot…

Dorian and lovely GF - you know Raving will release some kind of attack on you.

Don't worry about it, especially not in terms of any support you may have got from here. I have no doubt you acted out…but what your fucknut mother needs to realise is that kids act out FOR A REASON.

It's incredibly sad that her repulsive behaviours have left D thinking he'll be tarred with the same brush. No doubt we're going to hear all about how you beat her, screamed at her, strangled her. I doubt I'm the only one who'll think "he should've squeezed harder."

No way can you be unscarred from it all though. If it IS Couchie trying to shut you down, he should be thoroughly ashamed of himself; he's nothing to you, just the latest side-prick. Nothing to do with us or milk or gossip; you just have a right to be heard. The theatre for that is YOUR choice, not hers or her latest neanderthal. If anonymous people here help you speak, then so be it. If we don't, then so be it. This is about you and what's right for you and your life.

>>443606
This is so true. Decent older men who would be willing to take care of her probably prefer women without all the shit on her face and body, and her shit face/body in general. With some class, and without the shit personality. She wants considerably younger men, but younger men only want an older woman who's willing to take care of them. It's clear she isn't the person to do that, what with her utter lack of work ethic and morals, y'know, her fucked up "tailbone" and all. Gravy is fucked.

>>443081

The Love That Was Greater Than Love tirned oyt to be The Love That Was Smaller Than My Need For Fluffy Unicorn Shit.

She probably thinks she's being clever - everything with Couchie is fine but she's sending us on a wild-goose chase. She never got the memo most of us don't read this obsessively….just when we're on the lavvy.

If she 'n Couch Potato do go tits-up, wonder if she'll spin it as "too intense, we loved each other too much." Barfsome to anyone who doesn't treat life like a ten cent shitty romance booklet.

I hope she fucks off tho. NZ, Dorian and Logan have done enough time.

>>443247
It's also so predatory that a mere casual comment of "MILF" had her zero in on a kid, using the advantage of an adult woman's knowledge about male insecurities and especially teenage boy insecurities, to ensnare him.

>>443293
It makes sense that she's sugarbabying… well, it explains the phones.

Maybe she's findomming.

>>443615
All the money she spent on bullshit could've gone towards advance rent or extra bond to make up for Couchman's credit rating in the rental market. If I were Josh, I'd be pissed.

Then again, if I were Josh I'd be changing my name and moving to Mexico about now.

The thought of Raven toting a two-year supply of sanitary pads across the world. I fear she won't leave purely because of the amount of garbage she's proposing to pack.

>>443617
This is a good point, anon. Raven is a predator. The average woman upon finding out her son's friend thinks she's a MILF doesn't immediately scheme and plot to find a way to ensnared him. Most women would probably cringe a bit learning such information - they certainly wouldn't find it so flattering that they'd do their solid best to fuck a minor younger than their son.

She's such a sewer person.

>>443679
True. Surely it would have made more sense to save the money and buy pads in the US? It's not like they dont sell them there

(Saged)

It really warms my cold heart to see all the encouraging and loving paragraphs of support here towards Dorian and his gf. It goes to show this isn't about bored bullies. There are multiple reasons why Raven has garnered all the negative attention that she has, and obviously people here are sensible enough to recognize good from bad. Good luck D and gf, stay strong and as another anon said, you're definitely the bigger person here :) Good on you.

>>443700
it's the language of someone who acquires things compulsively. her priority in this move is acquiring as much shit as possible, as if the things will somehow prepare her for this change.

>>443707
put 'sage' in the email field (see like I have here). it's not needed to say it in the post too.