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This thread concerns creators, artists, voice actors and others who work or are connected to the modern Western American animation and comics industry, filled with cows, hacks, groomers, woketards and self inserters who all know each other and/or have dated.
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>>1725558Previous thread highlights:
>Noelle's feature groundbreaking gender woo woo fujo film is set to be released somewhere around 2023 >>1725604>Writer and producer for Duck Tales 2017 displaying creepy pedo behavior >>1725990>VivziePop focusing more on gay shipping then actual story and character development >>1734832>Hazbin hotel character sheets and scripts also got leaked >>1737650, >>1741280>Mindy Karling's Velma performs poorly >>1738589>Inside Job cancelled >>1741262>Long Gone Gulch has been dropped by an unnamed animation studio. >>1742518>To no one's surprise, coomer gemlin Justin Roiland turns out to be a sex pest and abuser >>1743064, >>1746225, >>1747951, >>1763842, >>1757348>Nonna explains the financial and commercial failure of 2017 Duck Tales >>1743869>TIF show cancelled >>1744036>Allegations against other prominent showrunners including Alex Hirsch, Joseph Barbera and Dino Stamatopoulos >>1744484>It all goes back to Flapback >>1748157>Dana Terrace(Owl House creator) got her fans to dox and harass a news anchor >>1748294>Adult Swim has ended its association with Justin Roiland and will be replacing him with an AI Voice >>1751644, >>1758258>Leaked first episode of the clone high sequel received with negative to mediocre reactions >>1755468>The writers of Proud House write children's dialogue as if they were speaking like Black Twitter users in real life >>1763031, >>1763294, >>1763507>Raye Rodriguez(TIF creator of Guardian Spice) admitted to casually browsing 4chan>An explanation given for Steven Universe's inconsistent writing >>1774074, >>1774222, >>1772589>Daron Nefcy (Star Vs. creator) is bad at allegory and geography >>1775770, >>1775844, >>1776238>Children's Shows Voice actors being weird and creepy >>1777808, >>1778480, >>1778520>Vivziepop being a fujo >>1786889>New Dreamworks film looks mediocre >>1791467>Not to be outdone by Dreamworks, Pixar announces a below mediocre film with an awful racial allegory >>1797660>After 17 years Lackadaisy finally gets a pilot, with excellent animation and story but mediocre voice acting >>1798503>Owl House ended >>1806906Molly and Noelle continue having the worst relationship
>>1792790,
>>1792814,
>>1807478>A Discussion of the impact of social media on the selection and promotion of certain content >>1806925, >>1806943, >>1806962
>King of the Hill, Rugrats, Phineas and Ferb and The Fairly OddParents Reboot all rebooted or renewed: >>1759181, >>1748058, >>1745462, >>1793753>Misc RebelTaxi/Pan Pizza Cartoon reviewer drama:>>1727626, >>1728018, >>1750483, >>1750751, >>1751860, >>1756773, >>1769884, >>1774005, >>1776190, >>1777780, >>1784361, >>1785149 No. 1811391
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CHristian Potenza was fired from Total Drama….for physically and sexually abusing his vaing students.
What is it with VAs and being degenerates?
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>>1811437>>1811419I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case
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>Fan comes out about bad experience with Invader Zim creator
>Creator attacks them for "being annoying"
>Fan is autistic and Invader Zim is their special interest
>Jhonen's white knights attack them
>Fan doesn't understand what they did wrong and is very upset and hurt
>Many people remember this incident and feel bad for them(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>>1811473Coward, she locked her shit.
No. 1811659
>>1811479 Not the ableism 💀💀💀
>>1811650Ofc a loser like you would use a slur against someone who stated they're autistic. Touch grass or better yet, swallow some and start choking on it.
No. 1811672
>>1811636furfag is definitely self posting
>>1811645>>1811648>>1811659>>1811664Take your ass back to TikTok where you belong. No wonder Jhonen doesn't like dealing with types like you.
No. 1811684
>>1811680Then this seems like a place to say this then.
Kill yourself. Not even a joke. Take a long walk off a short pier with a rope connected both to the bottom of said pier and your neck while drinking bleach like it's a cocktail.
No. 1811692
>>1811689Surprise, NOT a self poster but I see why you think that in your pea brain.
Also I've heard of lolcow from MANY places.
No. 1811701
>>1811684>>1811687>>1811692>>1811694>>1811698You aren't funny, your tumblr tier "kys" posts don't make you sound smart or threatening, just annoying and autistic. you'll never get the validation you're obviously looking for and if this is how you talk around normal people no wonder Jhonen thought you were obnoxious. the more you post, the more people are gonna laugh at you, so keep digging that hole deeper. sorry you got bullied for being autistic or whatever but you genuinely deserve it.
inb4 I get an overly worded "kys"
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>>1811698i hope you get cleared for FtM SRS.
No. 1811706
>>1811701 *You're
God, you people really do have 5 brain cells at most. Hope natural selection takes care of you!!! <333
No. 1811721
Okay I'm
>>1811686 and I changed my mind since jannies haven't shown up, nonas keep feeding the troll I wanna go make popcorn (if Dex doesn't tell me to choke on it or something equally retarded)
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>>1811709already screencapping all her posts, already have her confirmed email acc kekkkkk
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Looks like Dex (thekittykat280@gmail.com) is definitely a furfag after all. OwO indeed.
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>>1811739Beautiful, anon.
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>>1811745Was already on it. Enjoy anons
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>>1811750oh but how could you miss the ""kek"
nerd emoji"
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Marie Lum's kickstarter recently got me thinking about this comment on Facebook. It's about comics but it works for any kickstarter I think. Gotta wonder what she was thinking. Her audience is so small that her KS couldn't even surpass $100K.
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>>1811709of all of them this is my pick
No. 1811772
>>1811473Really wish we could’ve seen the initial reply to Jhonen bc this person is 100% omitting shit if they sperg like this
>>1811750 on an anonymous website, kek
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>>1811772Looked through her comments on her tiktok sob story This was allegedly related , does she not understand that Jhonen has been harassed by batshit IZ fans for most of his life? He’s almost 50 now and is probably over it.
No. 1811787
>>1811777People like her don't understand or care. They're autists, they don't have the capacity to give a shit about other people. Its all about catering to their speshul interests uwu and making sure they feel
valid uwu. Paper skin and glass bone retards who act like the world is out to get them because they refuse to pull their head from their ass and respect the boundaries of others. Like you said: JV is nearly 50 years old. If I were him I'd be tired, too.
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>>1811473You complain about muh ableism but say nasty things when anons call you out and unironically expect us to feel bad for you for expecting a grown man to put up with your teenage retardation LMAO you tiktok teens are all the same. Girl, Log off
No. 1811822
>>1811473From one autist to another, being autistic (especially high functioning) and having a special interest doesn’t make you any different from any other fan whether they’re obsessed or casual. You’re not a kid dying of cancer, we don’t need special treatment from creators. It’s doubtful they even have autism and a “special interest” because every kid on tiktok now claims to be the most oppressed autist with ~quirky~ SPECIAL interests and hyperfixations.
>>1811818Nonna you made me check the wiki and somehow I got to its forum and it’s just full of gender special kids kek
https://theowlhouse.fandom.com/f She’s still listed as female so probably just the fandom.
No. 1811835
>>1811830See
>>1811777. Dude is nearly 50 and going on about how "it was the only way to feel anything again uwu" like a teenage girl kek. He is just a manchild.
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>>1811834>>1811822ok some of these kids are adorable though. this one isn't milk
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>>1811836Nobody's making a concession though? This was unwarranted behavior from an autistic furfag and anons are being reasonable save for you just looking for a reason to be contrarian because.. what? Because its an imageboard and par the course? Take your own advice and ignore the replies you don't care for instead of shitting up the thread with your tard rage.
>>1811839>What have they/are they going to do? Track him down?You say that as if deranged fans don't do this exact shit to animators or content creators in general, especially autistic troons and furries.
No. 1811891
>>1811885>>1811877nonas please, it's ok to hate him because he's a moid while also acknowledging blocking an annoying spammy fan on twitter is not a nuclear action. why can't you both be right?
>>1811888nona, IZ came out in the mid 2000s and was massively popular, before 15 year old fans were even born. the creator of IZ was "famous" way before they came along.
No. 1811902
>>1811897I've never seen every reboot there was but they do generally have a track record of being ass. But the most important factor is time, shows made in a past era are going to be so jarring being updated to today's standards.
Mike judge was very specific with the comedy he made in that show and that type of dry humor is not really in shows today. I think they are going to play the comedy very "safe" and it will end up being lukewarm.
No. 1811947
>>1811885You really need to stop sucking this old man's dick, he is ridiculously immature and whiny lmao. Normal adults can log off and/or ignore their annoying fans. Please do leave it here. Defending him is sad,
>>1811888 is right.
No. 1811958
I can’t believe I missed the furry!
>>1811750We have dark mode here??
No. 1811967
>>1811947He is immature but whatever, I just think it’s funny to see a retarded 18 years old malding because she got blocked.
He’s not even that popular nowadays? Unless you actively look him up or whatever, so I don’t see what’s the big deal with getting blocked by him, she’s not getting blocked by Lady Gaga or some shit, It’s just a random artist that happened to create some iconic content at some point.
Maybe if she had dropped the subject in the farms then she wouldn’t have gotten mocked for being a retarded furry tranny autist.
No. 1811969
>>1811967Careful anon, the autists are awake.
>>1811913They don't care. I'm sure that tranny sent their goons here and that's why we have one or two spergs shitting up the thread and trying to make this into a holier than thou contest because they hate a geratric edgelord.
No. 1811986
>>1811748Speaking of, there's going to be a RWBY crossover with it. As everyone expected it looks awful because RWBY itself is fundamentaly shit. To add insult to injury, its a full length movie than some 40 min ova special.
Also Wonderwoman's chin lmfao.
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>>1812002>I wouldn’t want anyone to hurt themselves over lolcow.Then why bring that shit up? Kek just admit you want a bit of fun with the drama but you’re too scared of the “evil” farmers to post your lactose free milk.
The tranny is a literal who that threw a tantrum trying to get a personal army to give her asspats and to police a forgotten artist’s social media account. Absolutely no one gives a fuck about her sorry ass, she could kill herself right now and no one would bat an eye, so leave.
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Does anyone follow Kiernan Sjursen-Lien? The cringe neon autistic furry ITT reminded me of her. Currently works for Nickelodeon apparently, goes by Zakeno or THISNAPZ for furry stuff. Claims to have DID and constantly posts art by her “alters” on her main professional account. Apparently got a callout post for threatening some other artist with her industry connections and teaming up with a couple of other DID furries to psychologically manipulate them.
https://twitter.com/Richek/status/1646936322634919941 No. 1812223
>>1811986wtf, is this real? The animation looks like cheap AI, like those anime character filters from Snapchat or a mobile game from China. I hate it
>>1811419It's exactly this
No. 1812340
>>1812272agreeeeee
>>1812316but also this
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>>1811686Gotta say, this spergout has been an absolute joy to read.
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As the nonas predicted in the previous thread, Pen Pals Forever failed to reach its funding goal. The goal was set at $147,500 goal and only $96,955 was pledged.
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>>1813547Marie still plans on making an art book for it minus the production art.
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>>1813548I also don't get her excuse for not wanting to turn it into a webcomic. It would be much easier and flexible than directing an animated pilot and Webtoons would probably promote the shit out it.
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>>1813553Honestly a short webcomic in her style would've given it a lot of traction leading up to a kickstarter. Also I get animation is expensive but I still think it's crazy they needed $150k to make a 2 min episode.
>>1813587This. As another anon mentioned they're transformation girls but they're fighting against… what? Asking people to fund a show that's hinging on disabled representation with barely a story was never going to work.
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>>1812098sage bc it’s mostly useless and me musing, but I’ve been digging into this person via their alters account @THISNAPZ and jesus, this woman is severely mentally ill. On top of the stuff in the callout, combined with recent tweets, it seems like she is severely obsessed with being “cop murdered”, which makes me kek when you review pictures of her and realize she’s a tiny white girl who wouldn’t get touched for shit by law enforcement. It doesn’t seem like she’s credited for a lot of things in the animation sphere, I wonder what she’s on Nickelodeon’s payrollfor?
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>>1811698>Implying actual autists would defend/side with her self-diagnosed Twittard assWho does she think uses imageboards lmao
No. 1813939
>>1812098I wonder if you're the writer of that multi-page essay from an indigenous trans lmao.
>Multiple times early in my time staying at Ro’s, Ro would suddenly undress in front of me, exposing their breasts without warning or consent. I would be shocked and turn away in discomfort. Ro would see me turn away and be uncomfortable but respond with “Yeah by the way this is a ‘free the nipple’ household, get used to this” followed by a laugh. The more discomfort I showed each time they did this they would further tease fondle and flop their breasts in my direction. Never did Ro ever check for my consent nor cease when I would turn away. Ro would undress like this on a regular basis and in striking suddenness. Could be in the middle of a conversation or just moments after they come through the door. funny given how troons always say how it's not a big deal when little girls see their penises in changings rooms and just to get over it.
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>>1813939AYRT, that’s not me nonna sorry, I didn’t even read the whole callout because I have no idea who the other people featured in it are. Zakeno has been a personal cow of mine for a while due to shit like
>>1813856 and posting art by her furry “altars” on her professional account linked to her real name lmfao
No. 1814096
>>1813856Her timeline is HILARIOUS,
half sperging about her "alters" and half whining that she's dehydrated from smoking weed 24/7 and her kidneys are failing. Twiggy motherfucker is more likely to die from renal failure than "cop murder" kek
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>>1814096I personally love this post policing how other creators portray museums in cartoons
https://twitter.com/zakeno/status/1565935712196632576 No. 1814146
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>>1813553Decompress from what, drawing like two pictures for a tweet and setting up a Kickstarter which takes like 10 minutes? What is wrong with this woman
No. 1814540
>>1813547ok but $96k is enough for a 6-10 minute pilot????
is she retarded?
No. 1814683
>>1813547She raised an impressive amount, even if it's meaningless with KS's all or nothing policy. But It's insane that she asked for such a high amount for only 2 minutes of animation, with nothing to show but some hasty scribbles and not even any test animation. She and the studio she partnered with probably wanted to do it the big studio way, employing a full crew on union rates, but indie animation doesn't work like that. You need to be a jack of all trades and do more with very little.
Long Gone Gulch only raised $38,874 and they made a beautiful 20 minute short. Fucking Lackadaisy only asked for $85,000 as its initial goal. People make 2 minute shorts for free by themselves. You don't need big studio money to make a tiny little short, even though it might take years cause you can't make it a whole studio's full time job.
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>>1814683That's what I found weird too. She definitely wanted to do it the big studio way, which is really stupid for something that should be a passion project.
The "wah I don't like making comics" in
>>1813553 comes of as petty when she's asking so much for an original pilot with pretty much no actual concept work to show. She could literally make 4 panel gag comics to at least show the idea and it would be better than the ammount of work she currently has of them.
I don't follow her, did she ever even mention these characters before the kickstarter? You can't just poof some characters out of thin air and expect people to immedeatly care about them kek.
I feel like she might just be lazy and the reason she asked so much is that she wanted to pay other people to do the actual entire work for her while she just did a few storyboard shots and took credit for the idea.
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>>1814965>I don't follow her, did she ever even mention these characters before the kickstarter?No and that's the crazy part. She actually does have an original character named Biscotti who is the main character of an IP called Barrowdale Village Plaza. Instead she decides to make a Kickstarter for a group of brand new OCs and didn't even bother to give the new group of OCs an actual story.
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>>1814965>I don't follow her, did she ever even mention these characters before the kickstarter? You can't just poof some characters out of thin air and expect people to immedeatly care about them kek.She mentioned the characters a month before the Kickstarter and she only mentioned them a few times. But yeah they were pretty much poofed out of thin air.
And what nona said,
>>1814974, she already has a story that her audience is familiar with. My best guess is that she's too attached to that project to allow anyone else to work on it. Or she thought it wasn't diverse enough lol.
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>>1814974>>1814977>No and that's the crazy part. She actually does have an original character named Biscotti who is the main character of an IP called Barrowdale Village Plaza. Instead she decides to make a Kickstarter for a group of brand new OCs and didn't even bother to give the new group of OCs an actual story.I'm not trying to defend her, but it's not uncommon for animators and comic artists to choose the route of creating new original characters, even though they may have a personal attachment to their original characters. This is because studios can claim legal rights to characters created by their employees. To avoid this potential legal issue, it is prudent for artists to create new characters that they have full legal control of. This is a strategy that has been employed by successful artists such as Matt Groening and John K. By doing so, they are able to maintain creative control over their work and avoid any legal battles that may arise
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>>1814995I thought about that too, but she was going to do a kickstarted pilot with a small studio, so I assume she would have way more leverage than someone working with a big tv studio. Not to mention that she would be the one funding the pilot (as in the kickstarter was in her name) so I don't see how ownership would be an issue.
And still, in professional productions nobody needs to know your characters beforehand because the marketing is up to the studio/channel after the production is done
you still gotta show the studio some proof of concept and an actual concrete pitch tho, whereas with crowdfunding she is the one that has to market the show before it's even been made. She needed to either have a
really strong pitch
which would involve a lot of development work to already being done, or an already established audience for those characters.
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>>1811585i remember rebecca sugar saying she showed her art to Vasquez and he said it was shit and that she had no chance in the industry, kek. Johnen Vasquez is such a pissy faggot but it makes me laugh that everyone expects him to be ''uwu wholesome and charismatic weirdo that loves his fans'' when all he draws is edgy shit and hates corporate teen-goth culture. He openly states how he hates his annoying emo teen fans that are only into IZ. I also like the theory that he was bullied by Butchman when they worked on nickelodeon for being an autistic goth.
No. 1815115
>>1815032ok but her art IS shit and she didn't succeed, she was massivley subsidized despite consistent poor ratings. she worked well under pen ward, but on her own made a "kids" show that children hated and that most adults found nauseating to look at. she was in the right place at the right time (adventure time staff) to get nepo'd into having a show on a channel that had enough money to humour her for a few years.
i think some ppl itt don't realize how much beyond retarded shit jhonen used to get whenever he showed his face. it was like beatles fans, all these geocities green and black goths with a religious connection to something he drew in the late 90s. drawing random comic books isn't supposed to make you famous, and imo you're well within your right to be super pissed off about being famous when you just want to draw shit.
No. 1815116
>>1815032>everyone expects him to be ''uwu wholesome and charismatic weirdo that loves his fans'' This is what bothers me the most when people get mad at artists in general.
Just because someone does something artistic doesn’t mean that person
must be friendly 24/7 and always have their arms open to everyone and anyone that comes to them, and just because someone has done something artistic doesn’t mean they have to love that piece of art forever and ever.
Is Jhonen Vasquez an asshat? Yes he is, but no one has to interact with an artist to appreciate the art.
Social media has made professionalism die, and brings annoying problems to artists in particular because everyone assumes that if you have a Twitter, you’re part of the show and now you must dance for everyone all of them time on command, and you’re a bitch if you don’t do that, because how dare you create a social media profile to promote your art.
Like seriously, any boundaries between artist and fan got destroyed because now it’s so easy to just message JK Rowling or Jhonen Vasquez to say “h-hi h-how is the weather omgimsosorryforexistingbye” instead of thinking that hey, maybe these people are complete strangers, and you shouldn’t bother them like how you don’t want to be bothered by some literal who that wants advice on how to tie your shoes, when there’s millions upon millions of videos, books, tutorials, courses and pamphlets about how to tie your shoes.
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>>1815115She did succeed, though. She's by far more succesful than him, that is a fact. It's not good, but her show is probably more successful than Adventure Time at this point.
>all these geocities green and black goths with a religious connection to something he drew in the late 90s.Lol you are one of them
No. 1815240
>>1815119>her show is probably more successful than Adventure Time at this pointpure delusion. i've never ever seen AT but that show is
still shitting out spin-off after spin-off and generates fan discussion and content. it influenced most tv animation since every show tries to be loreshit now. steven universe came and went and died hard.
No. 1815255
>>1815139it's actually even funnier than that, he was constantly saying "I'M NOT GOTH" and complaining any time someone used the word "goth" bout his art/characters
even though he is friends with a shitload of famous GOTHS
No. 1815285
>>1815115I don't like the show's art style either and the writing was often messy, but Steven Universe was measurably successful. Five seasons, a movie, and a spin-off is pretty good considering that most shows in the age of streaming struggle to get more than three seasons. It was nominated for a bunch of Annies and a couple of Emmys. Zim itself only had two seasons (though it did win one Emmy and one Annie.)
Although I'm not sure it's fair to try and quantify the success of the two shows, since they benefit from very different kinds of success. Steven Universe was often recognized for its music and diversity, where Invader Zim was praised for its art style and humor. Steven Universe's popularity was more conventional for a continuity-driven primetime show, i.e., mostly in the limelight while new episodes were airing. Zim on the other hand was more of a slow burn, gradually building up a cult following that peaked in the late 2000s.
And I have to give Rebecca credit for taking it in stride. I think a lot of people would've given up on a career if their hero ripped them apart like that. There was even a major character in Steven Universe, Peridot, who was an intentional nod to Zim, and how Rebecca always wondered what it would be like if he had a redemption arc. Like… the guy said she had no future, and she not only persisted, but continued to be inspired by him. There's a lot I don't like about her, but I have to respect that.
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>>1815032Is there even any proof of this? The closest I can find is this comic she drew of encountering him. Sugar is a huge fan of ZIM, wrote a foreword to the art book, and, like nona said, Peridot is inspired by ZIM.
No. 1815328
>>1815300haha wtf this makes her look even worse than the original piece of gossip sounded
why would you draw that
No. 1815367
>>1813999lmfao i know her irl and she's been posting dance videos where it's super disjointed and she's like "oh this dance has my alters in it" it kind of breaks my heart.
it sucks because she used to be so sweet and she is really talented but after a while shit got super out of control. she needs a real therapist who can actually help her.
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>>1815104I'd rather have one successful show that was actually funny and is still fondly remembered, rather then be known for crap like SU which is hated mostly by its own former fanbase.
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>>1812098No way, that's zakeno??? I used to follow her back in the dA days, what the fuck happened
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>>1815407Invader Zim stills holds up to this day despite only lasting for 2 seasons and has more merch and probably made nickelodeon more money tan SU in Gir hot-topic merch alone. SU is dated and forgotten at best, or hated on a schizo degree by their target audience at worst.
Does anyone knows why this happens? I noticed with my favourite cow, lily orchid, that despite being the target audience of shera and SU he still ended up developing a seething hate-boner towards it. It's so funny to see these autismos nitpick the shit out of stuff thats literally tailor made to appeal to their agenda.
No. 1815484
>>1815470she was going through a lot of shit before. she really is a sweetheart and she puts a lot of heart into what she does.
i wish the best.
No. 1815497
>>1815484Getting off the internet would be a good start.
>>1815492This is true. Imagine how batshit the fandom would be if IZ had come out in the age of tumblr.
No. 1815506
>>1815497I used to follow a few tags because oldie fans had some pretty cool fanart, but all the Fuji tumblr kids started filling them with ZimxDib fanart and shit like that.
So it definitely HAPPENED, but not at the level of like SU or Homestuck. Speaking of the latter, why does it seem like Homestuck has faded into nothingness?
No. 1815517
>>1815483>Does anyone knows why this happens? I noticed with my favourite cow, lily orchid, that despite being the target audience of shera and SU he still ended up developing a seething hate-boner towards it. It's so funny to see these autismos nitpick the shit out of stuff thats literally tailor made to appeal to their agenda.Here's an example, Imagine if someone like Critikal turned out to be cheating on his girlfriend. It would probably spark a brief discussion on Twitter, but ultimately, no one would care. On the other hand, if someone like Curtis Conner or Danny Gonzalez were caught cheating, there would be a huge uproar, and it could potentially ruin their careers(we saw this IRL with Joss Whedon and Ned Fulmer). Cancel culture is driven by leftist expectations. The more people expect of you, the easier it is to get canceled for something trivial. For example, if you present yourself as liberal or a progressive ally, people are more inclined to react strongly to any misstep or mistake. On the flipside, using nigger is a part of the Tarantino brand. It all comes down to how you present yourself and the expectations you create for your audience."
No. 1815529
>>1815506Good question. I have seen people saying it “didn’t age well” and that it’s “
problematic” but I never got into it so I have no idea what they mean
No. 1815654
>>1815492i agree. i was the anon saying jhonen has every right to avoid his fans at all costs, because they are INTENSE, obnoxious, and literal children. look at
>>1815407 i'm 29 and that room freaks me out. imaging being 48 and having to speak to a banquet hall full of other people's children who are obsessed with you. you SHOULD be pissed off about having to do that.
No. 1815736
>>1815576>half a decadefive years kek. you're cute
he doesn't write or draw those though, it's his IP but he doesnt like…make every issue of a comic kek
No. 1815785
>>1815782samefag, the thing with that dude is that he doesn't have to do anything to make a living.
>>1815686 guy wants to stay indoors and paint stuff for fun, and would have been happy to never attend a con again after 2003. dude does very rare appearances to shut people up and in return gets stalked.
No. 1815792
>>1815790twitter's not a real place, are you offended by shitposting now
i commend anyone shitposting to that dour shithole
>>1815788once product is purchased the transaction is complete. the peeps who made it dont have to anything more
No. 1815814
>>1815809nta, i was the one she calls a stan
ty for being sane
i worry for everyone if it's considered ok that the reward for being good at your job is hundreds of underage chris-chans desperate to show you their sonichu comics and get you to publish them and then marry you.
No. 1815821
>>1815815and you realize there is more than one defending him too, right? kek
>>1815814 >>1815809
>>1815606 are all different IP addresses
No. 1815850
>>1815825calling a large group of people badly-behaved isn't fansite posting though
crazy assholes bothered a moid a lot, yeah he's still a moid but two things can be true. those assholes are v. crazy.
No. 1815936
>>1815813Was the main selling point of Steven Universe even supposed to be representation in the first place or did they start pandering once they gained fan traction? Sure, it always had diversity but looking back at the pilot it was just some subpar western magical girl show with no direct reference to idpol. Fast forward a few years later and you get that weird anti-racism psa (why would someone against mixed-race couples be fine with gay marriage…?) Not to mention Rebecca Sugar started ID’ing as a TiF into the show’s run.
You could make the same case for
Voltron but let’s not go there.
No. 1815952
>>1815936Do she/they's even count as TIFs?
Anyway, with the show's reputation and her being a spicy straight I'm surprised she didn't do an Alex Hirsch and become really loud and obnoxious about CN censoring her or whatever.
What is she even up to nowadays?
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>>1815790True. Maxwell Atoms experienced success with a black comedy kids show around the same time (Grim Adventures), and he doesn't use Twitter, just Tumblr. From what I can tell, he's generally pretty laid back and nice to fans.
I'm not saying that's a requirement, and I totally understand becoming a bit of a dick after being creeped on for so long, but when you create art for children and weirdos, you do kind of have to be ready for how those demographics engage with art. Don't create a children's series for a major Network if you don't want it to be your legacy, and don't use Twitter if you know that being there will open you up to fan interactions you dislike.
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>>1815789this was literally my first thought. I have to think there were zero female writers working on that show. it's disturbing to me how most of the people who know about the blatant fetish fuel in it completely brush it off as a harmless kink outlet for the freaks in charge. then again, I'm assuming those fans are moids, so what do you expect. for those who are curious, here's a list of the grossness throughout the series
https://imgur.io/a/pZlNi No. 1816160
>>1816059we get it, moid bad because edgy
According to his voice actor, recording started this last week for John Redcorn of King of the Hill. So far all showrunners are returning except the obvious Luanne and Lucky situation. I don’t believe in God, but if he’s up there…”Please don’t let them ruin my lawn.”
No. 1816187
>>1815936SU started pandering hard after "Jailbreak" with Garnet being made up of two lesbian gems to where fans then started to heavily defend the show no matter the bad/boring writing that continue later on the show's run. I laughed when Rebecca went from coming out Bi to then coming out that she's a "Non-Binary woman" like that was going to help save her poorly written show.
Gotta love how after the show was done, Rebecca and Ian started to badly retcon the hell out of the show; like gems are now "solar-powered robots", the Diamonds didn't "kill anything" and that Steven "never" forgave the diamonds when that was bullshit as they poorly showed that he's ok going to them for shit, the Crystal Gems are "hippies" despise Garnet and Pearl fought in a war and the amount of fighting they did in the show, etc. Feel free to add on
No. 1816196
>>1816192I feel like I’m going to be in the minority here but I miss when girls could be unapologetically girly. Every female character nowadays is either gender special or “not like other girls”.
It’s okay to be girly! It’s okay to like fashion! (Also I know Totally Spies is fetishbait now that I’m an adult but as a little girl is could’ve cared less because I didn’t know.)
No. 1816220
https://youtu.be/ctlz0R1tSZEWish teaser is out
I appreciate that they’re attempting to stylize the animation a little more but they didn’t commit to it enough. It looks cheap, like something that would have been direct to dvd 15 years ago.
No. 1816400
>>1815032>i remember rebecca sugar saying she showed her art to Vasquez and he said it was shit and that she had no chance in the industryAny source aside from some he-said-she-said? All this edgy shitposting to cover up hurt fee-fees and a sense of entitlement. Artists don't owe their retarded parasocial fans anything, at least Jhonen isn't a groomer with no sense of boundaries like the majority of cartoonists these days.
>>1815116>>1815782>>1816285Fucking this.
>>1816161Butthurt parasocial stans care apparently kek. Sure is sour grapes in here.
No. 1816507
>>1816324maybe they ran away to wyoming to live happily ever after
>>1816485massively so. i don't think anon has met his true and honest fans. they go way too far on a regular basis
>>1816458tragic that the bar's so low for men, but even if i hated his paintings and comics i'd stan for the guy because he actively dislikes and tries to push away his underage creepers.
No. 1816515
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>>1816196its just another side of the same coin really. In totally spies it was really annoying because all of them acted like bimbos. The best ''girls'' cartoon will always be PPG because they all had very distinct personalities and didnt act like walking stereotypes even when they were girly like bubbles or blossom. Also they actually kicked ass and looked legit powerful.
No. 1816540
>>1816516The star in the movie supposed to be the same star all of the other Disney characters wish on, so I wonder if this is going to somehow involve crossovers and the teaser is so dull because they’re still trying to hide that element?
Agreed that their attempt of Spiderverse stylization is weak, I can’t believe how fucking bad and incomplete it looks.
No. 1816550
>>1816549>totally spieshas always been a huge money maker so i bet it will end up having another 7 seasons like the original
>clone highpeople were actually hyped up for this and they are pandering pretty hard to tiktok and twitter zoomies, but it will probably suck.
>tiny toonsprobably the worst out of all of them, the animation looks extremely cheap and obnoxious and literally no one wanted more tiny toons. Animaniacs was cancelled pretty soon after and it looked better, so i bet this one is dead on arrival. Also fucked up they made babs and buster sibling considering there are so many fucking scenes of them kissing in the original. They also leaked the pilot a while ago and it sucked.
No. 1816562
>>1816160I'm kinda nervous about the king of the hill revival. I hope it being current year doesn't mean it's gonna suck. But I trust the writers not to fuck it up.
>>1816397NTA but to be honest when they try to make less stereotypically girly female characters it's always framed as if they were doing it for feminist brownie points and it usually ends up being a coolgirl stereotype in itself. It just doesn't feel genuine, and many times they're not very relatable to real GNC women (at least, not to me). And trying to turn the stereotypically girly characters that, although flawed, we've grown to love over the years into that new stereotype, is kind of annoying. Idk if that's what anon is referring to but that's how I see it.
No. 1816567
>>1816550>They also leaked the pilot a while ago and it sucked.The whole time I was watching it I was wondering “who is this for?” it seemed too timely and written just to get people talking on the internet. Drag has always been a big part of Looney Tunes canon but twitter is going to go nuts over that subplot
>>1816558They shed them up and moved the setting to college too.
No. 1816758
>>1816680Don’t.
If you must, be prepared to struggle for a while.
Things are a mess right now. Too many artists, not enough work. I’ve never seen so many of my peers unemployed at once and some of these are people that were in high demand just a couple of years ago. It feels like we’re entering a dark age. I’m optimistic that it won’t be this way forever but it’s hard to be hopeful sometimes.
No. 1816764
>>1816680She's right
>>1816758But also if you're still in school this might not be the case forever but things are a mess right now. I see friends getting laid of left and right both in games and animation currently.
I don't know if you're looking for advice but go to events and meet people, your network is honestly what gets you consistent work. I know this is said over and over but it's true.
>>1816758yeah I don't think it will be this way forever but it's bad for sure. I've been pivoting to games but it's not any better recently. I just take any work I can get
No. 1816794
>>1816680>games, shows, commercialsThe three you listed are completely different exepriences, work-wise. Storyboarding alone is very often outsourced; my friend does that for commercials and it's his secondary job because there are months where he can make a lot and there are months when nothing comes at all. In general, facebook groups are good place to look for first jobs / agents that would secure you more work (and take a cut but it really is much safer bet when you dont have enough connections yet).
As for animating; I work in gamedev and there's a lot of work for 3d animators, much more than for, idk, concept artists which everyone wants to be. There are also a lot of smaller studios that do both outsourced jobs for games and commercial work; depending on your skillset you could also work in a marketing agency (especially if you'd be able to do things like motion design). I have zero knowledge about how it is working on animated shows but knowing so many animators and none of them having any experience like that could be kind of telling on how much work is available out there (although there are not a lot of animated shows produced in my euro country so if you're from USA maybe it's a little different).
In general I'd say as a marketable skill, 3d animation is definitely the way to go.
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>>1816926have you seen the fucking fish? kek cant wait to see this fucker speaking with its realistic cgi. Future children are going to be so devoid of creativity, at least its easier to find older media now.
No. 1816996
>>1816192I thought the spies personalities were:
The smart one (Sam)
The girly one (Clover)
The sporty one (Alex)
They seemed like a watered-down PPG to me, though the amount of times I watched Kim Possible I still can't figure out what Kim's like other than being good at everything and cheerleading.
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>>1817059check the trailer it does speak alongside the crab and they look cursed
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>>1817062This looks so bad holy shit
No. 1817288
>>1816544It's not a metaphor for sex you degenerate, it's a metaphor for
any kind of interpersonal relationship. Steven literally fuses with his dad at one point ffs.
No. 1817294
>>1817288They said Peridot can't fuse because she is ace
Fusion as a concept in that show got muddied bc it had too many metaphors in it
>it's a relationship>it's sex or at least sexual Pearl blushes at Sugilite's fusion dance and calls Stevonnie fusing inappropriate>it's another person>It's a baby iirc it's referenced in Three Gems And A Babysorry was just involved in a lot of SU discourse
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>>1817294Well, that's retarded. First off because "ace" isn't a thing (cope), and second because that's a total "Dumbledore is gay" move, i.e., an afterthought. Rebecca and several other of the people working on the show drew ship art with Peridot. Rebecca drew picrel.
Again, Steven fused with his dad, and also with himself (recall his human and gem halves fusing in the finale.) Unless you're going to try to argue that Steven Universe endorses incest, it's obviously a metaphor for
any kind of relationship. The showrunners muddied the water with the sort of things you mentioned (sexual dance moves, Pearl being scandalized, etc.) but that's what it's supposed to be as far as I can tell.
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>>1816515This shit has always
triggered me with how off it looked and felt (ADHD-like). You could sense the male aggression of the writers through the screen.
No. 1817511
>>1816946What a sad fish.
>>1817001This is what 'BUT NOW FOR ADULTS!1' does to properties. It's not even Darker and Edgier, it's Darker and Bleaker, just like your adult daily drudgery, geddit?
No. 1817518
>>1817494There
is an animation thread on /m/. Ever since before the /m/ purge.
No. 1817578
>>1817334Like
>>1817321 said, I think this is an issue with writing inconsistency. The fact that people can't even agree on one of the most important metaphors in the show speaks to that. If it is sex (which I still argue it isn't exclusively) then why do many of the fusions in the show occur between people with zero romantic connection? Again, do you seriously think that Steven is "having sex" with his dad and the gems, who are basically his de-facto mothers?
The metaphor is a confused mess regardless of what it was intended to be.
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>>1817580Oh, are we living in 2009 again? Because that response is so millennial it hurts
No. 1817596
>>1817576This isn't true kek
>>1817564Exactly, I kind of applaud PPG for not pushing feminine characters as inherently weak.
No. 1817600
>>1817589nta but that's still a thing with kids today
Also why the fuck are you guys still sperging about this, is the milk that dry? Fuck.
No. 1817609
>>1816869Peter Pan again?? Just let that story die already. God I fucking hate the remakes, why can’t they use the concepts they have for the remakes and apply them to new ideas?
>so you know Peter Pan, right??>yee>why don’t we make a story about… about a guy who lives in a world of fantasy>okay?>and this dude, he has to fight against a bad dude>oh nice>and that bad dude is actually a space pirate, but not really! The “space pirate” is just that dude’s dad trying to wake him up!>oh charming>and this girl enters the world to try and wake him up too and she gets saved a lot by the fantasyland dude>perfectThat’s it, insert Peter Pan references and you got an Oscar winning movie.
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>>1817549>you are a pussy lmaoI have no problem with horror (love Hannibal) or characters beating each other up in battles (watching Dragon Ball as a kid didn't
trigger me in the slightest), but there is just something offputting in cartoons like this one. Bad, aggressive slapstick on steroids combined with limited animation and the caricature, uncanny valley character designs that makes it unpleasant to watch. It's male-targeted to the max.
>than them getting tied/inflanted/transformed/other fetish shit Only because you are familiar with these fetishes and have a compulsion to notice them everywhere. You only have yourself to blame for that.
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>>1817628PPG even had an episode making fun of basement dweller male fans
No. 1817648
>>1817643Yeah, idk what planet that anon is on that PPG was for males. I liked PPG as a kid and so did every other little girl I knew, and there was crazy merch/PPG clothing for girls specifically. Blossom seemed to be the common favorite.
Feels like some "I personally speak for all women/girls, we only like specific soft things, anything else = male-targeted"
No. 1817713
>>1817610this is 100% a moid fedtrollposting.
>It's male-targeted to the max.he's trying to say the most ridiculous stuff to prove we'll agree with anything insane as long as it's from another "feminist" or whatever group he thinks women secretly have
>Only because you are familiar with these fetishes and have a compulsion to notice them everywhere. You only have yourself to blame for that.this is le based infiltrator sNeAkInG iN to le girl 4chan to puppetmaster our weak vaginabrains just like he told everyone on supremegentlemanforums.coom
No. 1819088
>>1817622I actually have faith in this, cause the problem with modern (non-storyline based) cartoons is that there doesn't really seem to be a premise. Take Kids Next Door, it's about a bunch of kids acting like spies and engaging in spy tropes. It's simple enough to state and it would be easy to pitch. Ed, Edd n Eddy is about three friends who terrorize their neighborhood with get rich quick schemes to buy jawbreakers. Again, very simple. You could keep going on and on with Rugrats, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Spongebob Squarepants, The Wild Thornberrys. They all have very consistent themes with strong character archetypes that play off the main premise. Rugrats is always about babies doing shit. Wild Thornberrys is always about animals. The only shows without a unifying niche would be slice of life shows like Hey Arnold but even then that tried to consistently portray inner city kids and the relationships had in a very diverse and close knit neighborhood partially emulating real life.
But think of Adventure Time, Clarence, Summer Camp Island, and Craig of the Creek. What the fuck are these shows. You could do a marathon of a random mix of these shows and people would think they were watching the same show. They're just animals/people doing things and you have really no idea what to expect with each episode. There is no premise to these shows. Every show tries to be Seinfeld for kids but without any real interesting interaction or relatable social experiences because these are shows for kids. There is no attempt at traditional storytelling in these shows where each episode could be remembered as the 'hey remember that episode where X happened'. It's now just a vehicle for general jokes, humorous dialogue and anime references.
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>>1815119SU was watched mostly by stunted adults who need their opinions validated by a cartoon in a network meant for 10 year olds. it was even worse with Owl House
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this dude is getting cancelled for grooming or zoophilia eventually
No. 1820583
>>1817585Agreed. A total lack of any kind of sex drive is nearly always a symptom of something else, not the condition in and of itself. If it doesn’t bother someone to be totally uninterested in sex then it’s not something that needs to be fixed IMHO, but literally everyone who identifies as “ace” admits to having sexual feelings. They just claim they don’t find other people sexually attractive, kek
Really it’s just an excuse for awkward teenage girls to opt out of the pressure of self-objectification, and terminally online autistic NEETS to justify never having to go outside and develop social skills.
No. 1821423
>>1821238Blackgryph0n married Sweetie Bell’s VA that he’d known since she was like 14 or something the (this came after years of rumors about him having something with Michelle Creber because of how weird and close their “friendship” seemed considering their age difference but she’s gay)
The girl he ended up marrying has a dad who is apparently also a VA and made a post to IG on his official account about the fact that he wasn’t invited to the wedding for vocally disapproving of the relationship. A bunch of prominent bronies (and even a couple of the other shoW VAs) rallied against him and anyone who criticized the relationship, and several of them (including Saberspark iirc) attended the wedding. This is what I gathered from tweets at the time but that fandom has always had a weird relationship with the cast, particularly the underaged members.
No. 1821725
>>1820568Honestly, considering how full of himself he's gotten the last couple of years it wouldn't surprise me he's gonna have a grooming case sooner or later. The quality of his videos has dropped significantly since he decided to have this more improvised vibe to them and really gives you the impression that he loves the smell of his own farts.
However, this isn't the youtuber thread, so better take the discussion there.
No. 1822252
>>1820508The problem isn't adults liking cartoons, it's them liking cartoons to an obsessive level, creating obnoxious adult-oriented communities and cajoling the show runners into making changes
they want to see. They can't just relax, enjoy the show, acknowledge that they can enjoy something without it being tailored to them, and move on.
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>>1822049Looks really cool, though the premiere is going to suffer from the fact that it aired on television and is hard to find on streaming. Wikipedia says it's on HBO max, but when I search "unicorn" (the only part of the title I can remember) nothing comes up. Had to watch it on an illegal streaming site.
The art style is really cool, I like it a lot; you can really see the influences, like Tezuka and the Fleischer Brothers. The animation is nice in general (to be expected with a Genndy project.) Some of the VA performances aren't the best, but it's not intolerably bad. The setting is really nice, too; it's steampunk without being obnoxious about it; it's just a somewhat futuristic version of the 1800s, like in Howl's Moving Castle. Minor nitpick, I dislike that the female lead's name is "Melinda" and not something more timeless and fantasy-sounding. The show's name is also kind of bland and difficult to remember like I said before. Super minor stuff though.
It's so, so nice to see something that isn't Beanmouth style for a change. I almost forgot what an actual nice art style looks like in TV animation.
No. 1822283
>>1822259Really excited for this. Tartakovsky's Work, for me, is never the bare minimum in story-telling or animation- although maybe because it doesn’t have much competition in the first place.
Have to agree with the artstyle anon.
Idk why but most art styles, including invader Zim, suffered a little being animated in a modern setting, but for some reason Tartakovsky's art style doesn’t
No. 1822331
>>1817596and it was made by Craig McKracken who is married to Lauren Faust, a rare male creator who I found never moidified the cartoon and it was so good to grow up with. On that note I love that Frankie from Foster's is inspired by Faust and also created by Craig, throwback to that episode where she goes on a date and asserts all of her boundaries to that dickhead man.
They just don't make cartoons like they used to and there's more and more predators out there now behind them.
No. 1822375
>>1822327Grey DeLisle continues to use the Azula whenever she can get away with it, lol.
So, this episode was entirely set up. And the difference between the Unicorn Warrior's designs and everyone else's really throws me off. It does a pretty bad job of explaining why Melinda's memories haven't come back. I hate these types of plots. I always want them to get the plot to be "we need to get our memories back" but it's always "our full memories aren't going to come back, how will we ever defeat the villain". And not loving forward to teh love triangle with Emma/Melinda, Winston and the blue Elf.
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>>1822327> it felt like 2 minutes of story and 18 minutes of nothing expositionisn't that how genndy shows are in general lmao
No. 1822518
>>1818169lel
All I wrote is that to see the fetish shit you need to be familiar with these fetishes. Unlike you, I'm not, so I don't get
triggered.
(sage your shit) No. 1822525
>>1822375Anon, I think you should watch the second episode before you decide that there's a love triangle going on, because
Winston literally dies at the end of it. I think the whole point is that Copernicus was forced to wake up when he shouldn't have, thereby giving people the souls who couldn't handle them (hence Emma not allowing the other consciousness to completely take over, and Alfred being a kid without discipline.)
No. 1822550
>>1822259>melindai mean, tons of medieval women were named tiffany
melinda doesn't sound jarring
madison or breighlee or some shit like that would be stupid
No. 1822676
>>1822518>>1822259>>1822327Are you guys kidding me? The character design for it looks like shit. I absolutely hate when pretentious western artists try to do "anime" look-alike art while completely missing the mark and ending up with a weird distorted big eyed disney light look.
This is not it.
No. 1822680
>>1822679anon literally wrote
>you can really see the influences, like TezukaI just think that his best work, style wise, was samurai jack and maybe primal.
This one looks disappointing.
No. 1823216
>>1822824You're right I think, it's supposed to be weird that they're posessing random people, because
I think the girl is the main protag, and this first episode shows that she isn't comfortable with this reincarnation/possession thing, she is struggling with having the identity of the girl she possessed trying to come out sometimes(?) sorry if that made no sense kek. I kind of like her being the protag and not wanting to be a part of the save the universe stuff spoilers for spoilers in case someone hasn't seen it yet
No. 1823245
>>1822327I found this unexpectedly interesting, this feels like a fresh breeze after so many shows last few years being mainly focused on being "relatable and inclusive" above anything else. Just an interesting story and concept doing it's thing, while I understand the critique of it being mainly fluff I kinda enjoyed getting a feel of how the world looks and using he environment as an explanation as to why they don't really question why a robot is rolling around the streets. Seems to be a lot of focus on "show, don't tell" and not treating the viewers like idiots and autists by over explaining everything. My main issue though is how the humans look and are animated, the animation in the wedding scene felt really cheap most of the time imo, and I hate the Betty Boop look on Melinda.
Now I only watched the 1st episode, maybe my opinion would change if I took the time to watch the upcoming episodes.
No. 1823317
>>1822331NTA but PPG did have some scrotey coomer things in it such as Miss Bellum's innuendos and Sedusa.
>>1820568Guy lusts after little cartoon "goth" girls of course he's a groomer type
No. 1823542
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>>1823209the new designs are hideous the original designs for harriet and frida were fine, but i guess with those they wouldnt appeal to zoomies
No. 1824548
>>1823581Yeah, the wizard dude being the true villain is pretty obvious. I’m guessing the show will probably end with the warriors’ souls finally being put to rest and their hosts learning some kind of lesson after all of it. Hoping there’s no romantic endgame since genndy ain’t very good at writing those.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought the fox lady was gross kek.
No. 1825306
>>1822327meh the artstyle looks goofy
blue elf guy is hot thoughi wish they would finish symbionic titan already.
i miss my husbando lance… No. 1826028
>>1822651>And why did waking them up early mess everything up?anon…this is what we're going to find out over the course of the show
like..this is what the show is about
No. 1826033
>>1826028>>1825565Anon
>>1822651 feels like a product of our "here and now" culture, where every piece of info about the show needs to be laid out as soon as possible.
No. 1826072
>>1825565>The writing shouldn't be dumbed down just because you're too retarded to pick up on extremely obvious cuesIt was explicitly stated in the second episode, which I hadn't watched yet. So you're being an asshole just to be an asshole, have fun with that.
>>1826028>anon…this is what we're going to find out over the course of the showYes, and if I had watched the second episode I would have known that. My mistake on only watching the first one and judging off that. I've just seen a way too many shows that setup a lot of things and paid off on none them. Anyway, second episode was great.
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hmm
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>>1827058wtf tell me this isn’t true…
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>>1822327I like the concept but not a fan of rubberhose. At least westaboos are latching onto the show kek. Picrel.
No. 1830087
>>1827215This is a pretty well known thing within animation, a lot of shows that don't sell toys well get cancelled. I think a similar thing happened to the green lantern show because the fanbase was primarily women and they didn't think they could sell toys to them which is confusing
A storyboard artist did a comic about it years ago I think it was giancarlo Volpe?
No. 1831009
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I was honestly expecting Elemental's to do pretty poorly, but damn this is on a whole other level, look like It's a disaster for Disney and Pixar.
No. 1831056
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>>1817062This is so fucked up it's primo kek material. I might just rent it from the library in a few months and fast forward to the cursed bits just to have a good kek
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>>1831009The cope in that comment section is crazy
>I-it's not a flop it just wasn't marketed well>Well it's post-Covid so no one goes to movies anymore!>W-well this isn't counting 3D and 4D sales, it's gonna make $500M!The movie simply looks like shit. I wish they'd go back to Pixar movies being a collaborative effort rather than handing the reigns to millennials who have a (boring) story to tell
No. 1831111
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>>1831033While I appreciated the fact that the episode had some actual plot development, I found it difficult to enjoy because of the underlying misogyny. It seemed to me that Vivziepop and Brandon Rogers have a deep-seated dislike of women, with jokes kuje the nurse being retarded, an mother who was insulted in every way, and Stella's character being undermined by her own brother (who was also a sassy gay-coded character). Even Striker, received more depth than Stella, which was really frustrating.
In my opinion, Vivziepop's portrayal of female characters is even worse than the usual sexist male creators(who usually just ignore or sideline them)
No. 1831116
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>>1831016If you've played the source material, you'll know that they're actually in the Forest Temple.
(sage your shit) No. 1831132
>>1831033Long review below.
Just watched it and it's a huge improvement over the garbage that was the last one. Thank god we saw a recurring villain actually return… only 5 more to go.
Once again the female characters are nothing more than accessories to remind us that the boys are in fact sad. Only Millie is even remotely likeable and she only has three personality traits:
-moxxie
-good fighter
-cowgirl
Every other female character is retarded, flanderised or rude to the point where it's not even funny anymore. Just as
>>1831111 said, even striker has more development than women we've seen for 5× the screen time.
Fight scene was way easier to follow than the motion sickness inducing shit from the previous episode. They were more dynamic and easy to follow. The transitions between both fights was a bit annoying sometimes but not unbearble.
I didn't really care much for the Blitzo segments of the episode. He shouldn't have been there past taking Luna to the doctor. If he was going to be there, we should have seen glimpses of him doing things that were plot relevant. That and he shouldn't be surprised that Stolas is able to get hurt: he knew the significance of holy weapons back in season 1. It's the exact reason why Striker was a threat in the first place. It would have made more sense that he said he thought it wouldn't be as bad. He knows it's possible to harm a prince but this is the closest to death he has gotten (that we know of knowing Viv's recent retcons).
That being said the amount of Blitzo×Stolas in the last few episodes has been tiring. We already know about their relationship in excruciating detail it shouldn't be so prevalent that every other character (with the exception of Moxxie and Octavia) get sidelined to talk more about it. The idea of Stolas' last words being 'Blitz' over his own daughter is such utter bs. We're supposed to be under the impression that his daughter being under threat was a sore spot for him considering his reaction to Striker's goading. If that's the case, he'd outwardly say he would miss her and inwardly regret not seeing Blitzo in his final moments.
Once again, the series has potential. The amount of effort and work going into it shows. But the character writing is inconsistent (if even present), the jobs the group do aren't shown and the world is haphazardly put together. The writing staff really need to take another look at their material and re-evaluate what they're doing.
No. 1831199
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>>1831033more "sad gay babies uwu" plot line. so boring. when striker was torturing stolas, of course vivzie had to use it as an opportunity to tell us the degenerate shit stolas and blitzo like to do in bed. her fujo writing is so embarrassing.
they haven't picked up a job in who knows how many episodes now. and why is stolas basically the main character now?? i hate him so much. he was unironically more likeable when he was only known as the arrogant perverted asshole that the main characters only need around for his book. i actually liked this show early on but now i only hate watch it. i expect hazbin hotel to be the same for me.
No. 1831209
>>1831199Agree. I liked the early episodes where it was focusing on individual jobs and the core IMP group (like Murder Family, or I liked C.H.E.R.U.B. especially.) But it's reeeeally gone downhill now that every episode is focused on sad gay boy relationships or how apparently literally every character has
abusive dads. I'm bummed, I really liked the first few and keep hoping it'll go back.
No. 1831262
>>1831009This isn’t even out until next month, how are they able to figure this out? What are these numbers based on?
I do think it will flop, nothing about the premise is intriguing. It just looks like Zootopia without the marketable furry characters.
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>>1831009they leaked the whole movie plot recently. Its so lame its funny.
No. 1831353
>>1831199>>1831209Agree. First season wasn't anything amazing, but it was pure, chaotic fun with interesting ideas. I hope this season gets the criticism it needs for them to go back to the formula that made the show popular in season 3.
Like what is her plan? Are Stolas and Blitzo going to get together in the end of the season? What would that mean for the show's dynamic? Would that be the end? If they wanted fans in on the shipping they really missed the mark on what makes shipping fun; it's the pining from the fans, the hints (or what could be interpreted as), the will they/won't they, discussing theories with other fans etc. I'm not the shipping type but I have sometimes gotten into ones because the community surrounding it is fun. Having it shoved in everyone's faces is tactless and boring. She should just have made her ship stuff on the side instead, or just cut it out of the show and release it as "cut material" when the show is over or when it's taking longer to release a new episode to keep the hype up.
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>>1830261Apparently Eugene from Try Guys will be portraying the gay love interest in the film. In the original comic, the character was a blonde, arrogant knight drawn in a gender-ambiguous style(a big early indicator of Noelle's fujotroon tendencies). However, with Eugene's casting, they have changed the character's race to Asian.
No. 1831761
>>1816221Is this based on a fairytale? The imagery with the stars and the donkey looked so familiar I think I read something similar as a child.
Anyway the world looks so inviting I love the mix of the forest and the medieval inspired town but I do hate Disney's 3D stylization. The potato noses and weird eyeshapes is so unappealing
>that donkey voicegranted I haven't kept up with all the recent animated films but what's wrong with cute characters with cute voices? they did the same shit with the live action pikachu movie where they gave a cute character the grossest voice imaginable. My tinfoil is that they are trying to pander to the manchild geek crowd by giving them a character they can relate to or they want to give a famous male actor a role just for the sake of it. The depressing part of the latter is that there are so many female voice actors who are specialized in cute voices and I feel like they are being robbed roles with these sort of casting decisions.
On a less cynical note I kinda understand why they didn't go with a high-pitch squeaky voice since that can get graining to listen to but there are so many other options when it comes to cute voices. As a kid I hated when cute characters had male voices so I do wonder if children are going to like this character. Personally I find this voice so off putting that I'm not going to watch it unless my country's dub completely changes the voice (which I doubt they will)
>>1816234>it would’ve been cute if it had been a girl or woman’s voice so they could’ve been like sisters from another speciesI love this idea unfortunately Disney hate their reputation as a company that makes girl movies so they are to pander to little boys. Besides Disney already explored sisterhood with Anna and Elsa so it will be a few decades before they attempt to do that again
No. 1832054
>>1831761>Is this based on a fairytale?It’s an original story. The star character is supposed to be the same star referenced in all of the OG classic Disney movies (Pinnochio, Peter Pan etc) so I assume they’ll drag a bunch of crossovers into it somehow
As for the goats voice I think they’re trying to be “subversive” lol
No. 1832149
>>1831033I just watched this and it's a little better than the last one but it's still very badly paced.
The initial kidnapping scene is so awkward? For some reason there's some long pauses between some voice lines and not much emotion in them. Striker's entrance was very quick and kinda anticlimactic. It's suppoed to be a chaotic action scene but the music isn't very strong, some scenes are super fast while others are too slow, and no one besides the main characters reacts much, which is weird because Striker breaks through the window of a restaurant full of people (actually upon rewatching the sound effect of people being scared is there, it's just too low).
Some shots are just bad composition-wise. You can tell sometimes they want to show a cool pose/movement/expression but the character is on the side and there's just too many details on the screen. Like the scene where Moxxie fights with the other demon at the gas station, it's an action scene where the character make a lot of cool moves but you can't tell right away because it's too quick, the animation is choppy and everything is fucking red and orange.
Striker's character was very good and mysterious in the first episode he appeared in but he was pathetic in this one (also the VA is different, couldn't get Norman Reedus again I guess) and his defeat was lame. I expected to see him around more, maybe even have some of the previous episodes be a build-up to his appearance now.
Also someone needs to tell Stella and Blitzo's VA that they don't have to literally scream every sentence. But yeah, as other anons said, way too many mysogynistic jokes from NLOG Vivzie. You can say "it's a joke!!" but it's too much at this point, they've been repeating the same bitch/cunt/whore jokes for two whole seasons, yet there isn't one "misandrist", faggot or tranny joke.
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>>1832149>You can tell sometimes they want to show a cool pose/movement/expression but the character is on the side and there's just too many details on the screen. Like the scene where Moxxie fights with the other demon at the gas station, it's an action scene where the character make a lot of cool moves but you can't tell right away because it's too quickI agree that their issue is that she is essentially copying scenes from better animated works without comprehending the core principles that make them effective. If you intend to create an action scene in an animated work, it is crucial to understand these fundamentals. which include things like squash and stretch, anticipation, and timing.
>way too many mysogynistic jokes from NLOG Vivzie. You can say "it's a joke!!" but it's too much at this point, they've been repeating the same bitch/cunt/whore jokes for two whole seasons, yet there isn't one "misandrist", faggot or tranny joke.Most of the homophobic jokes in the show come from designated "bad guy" characters who are one-dimensional and quickly get beaten or killed. Meanwhile, pretty much the entire cast makes misogynistic jokes, and I'd be willing to wager that probably one-third of all the HB's jokes are based around misogyny or just straight up insulting women.
No. 1832287
>>1831009I don't know how this thing got approved, any person could see the idea had no potential and the execution just made it worse
>every characters is both ugly AND visually boring>trailer just depicts it as a standard romance start. No tension point or reason to want to see what happens next>both characters look one dimensional (sassy fire lady and dumb friendly water guy)What's the fucking plot besides these two get together?? Kids don't like romance stories and thats all this was marketed as. How did they screw up this bad?
No. 1832382
>>1832330I think another part of it is that those studios aren't really trying to create a groundbreaking or inspirational story for the ages. Just a fun movie that kids will want to watch on repeat because it's easy to understand.
Ironically that's part of what makes the classic Disney movies good: simple and fun.
No. 1832463
>>1831296lol gives the same vibes as the "I like the word moist" parody video, it's just too corny. Why would they even play the crying game to begin with I can't think of any scenario where it doesn't feel forced
>>1832287From the trailers I got the impression that it's a sociodrama(and a boring one) with fantasy elements which doesn't appeal to kids at all. At least if they had gone with a more romcom route then maybe some kids might have been interested in it. Or maybe if they had played up the fantasy elements and had created a magic whimsical world instead of going with an modern urban setting. A magic world might had made the "elements don't mix" world building more passable too since you could devide them into magic tribes or countries
and it would have made the racism allegory more subtle but then people would had compared it to ATLA.
The concept doesn't look like something that appeals to kids but at the same time it looks too juvenile to appeal to adults. It's hard to judge when the movie isn't out but the marketing hasn't done much to convince anyone
No. 1832579
>>1832212I don't agree with the implication that the show isn't homophobic simply because the gay jokes are only being made by antagonists. The gay characters border on being offensive stereotypes. I'm not trying to be all Twitterbrained and accuse everything I dislike of -ists and -isms, I'm just pointing out that it's clearly written by a sheltered, spoiled womanchild who hates women and obsesses over gay men without ever having actually met one, or even caring to give the character personalities beyond archetypes.
That said, I think anons in general have harbour way too much hostility for women who write gay male characters regardless of the quality of the writing. Vivienne obviously deserves to be clowned on for her shitty, cliched writing, but it's gotten to the point where anons accuse literally every woman who writes about gay stuff of being a fujoshi. Are women not allowed to write about certain things? Say what you want about fujoshis, as terrible as they are at writing men, their shit is still a million times better than any attempt a scrote has made to write for lesbians. Brokeback Mountain was written by a woman, is
she an evil fujoshi?
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>>1832579Stop giving Vivienne "credit" for writing the show, this is hugely influenced by Brandon Rodgers who is the co-writer and voice of Blitzo. All of his YouTube videos are exactly this shock-humor of "I'M GAY AND SEXUAL" with lots of sex toys and punching women and kicking babies (props). Vivzie just adds the theater kid musical songs but all the humor is Brandon.
No. 1832796
>>1832579Discarding the opinions of retards going "le ebil fujos" at everything, the issue isn't that she and Brandon write gay characters, it's that they do it horribly leaning a lot on the "yass queen" and "I'm gay and horny sex joke sex joke sex joke" type of characterization. And not only do they write about cringy tumblr-tier sad gay bois, they do so by also inserting a ton of misogynstic jokes in between which are intirely unnecessary (actually they would be necessary if the show was an actual edgy offensive adult show, but it's not, it's a mild juvenile story with sex jokes and curse words every two sentences which refuses to do any offensive shit unless it's women). Not even fujos hate female characters so much. Personally I wouldn't call her a fujo, she's a NLOG faghag who goes along with the openly misogynistic faggot co-writer.
>I don't agree with the implication that the show isn't homophobic simply because the gay jokes are only being made by antagonistsNo, the fact that only the antagonists make offensive gay jokes says a lot. If the antagonist says it then you know it's seen in a bad light, but if the protagonists (who border on self-inserts at this point, look at Blitzo being the same as every Brandon Roger character) make woman hating jokes all the fucking time when it's not even necessary then you know the people writing this are misogynists. As I said before, if a show is truly offensive for the sake of being offensive, then you would see it being offensive and edgy to everyone, like gays, trannies, men,
poc, white people, straights, children, whatever. But this show is literally just offensive to who Twitter and the average zoomer see as gross, so (white) women and children above all. The demons are shown not having morals, killing children and punching women going whore/cunt/bitch, but when it comes to the gay bois in arranged marriages with EVIL GROSS women and the troons they're suddenly acting like morals exist? The views of the writers come through very clearly.
No. 1832914
>>1832579Based nonna. Honestly I find the tumblr smol sad gay boi to be the most unbearable shit in media written for women. It doesn't annoy me as much as lesbians written by men
because I am one but honestly it is so tired and outdated. I wish someone who actually knew about nuance outside of 'gay character sad because x' taught Viv how to write. At this point keep her under supervision everytime she puts pen to paper.
Not trying to derail but the yaoi/bl fandom is infamously misogynistic because a lot of women who read this shit hate themselves, society's expectations of them to perform femininity and the way that women are constantly sexualised. They become fujo faghags to live vicariously through non-existent men who are written like teary eyed women for other women. Actually meeting LGB people irl would probably save a lot of these women/girls from this pitfall. It's like those weebs who've never spoken to an asian woman before and genuinely believe they're like anime girls.
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Not really milk but Julia Pott (creator of summer camp island) got married to Ravi Ullman (phil from phil of the future). Not much milky about them other than her husband being an actor in the NYC hipster scene. He also dated alia shawkat, brenda song, zoe kravitz and Sarah steele.
No. 1833284
>>1822375Anon, I'm
>>1822525 and I want to apologise for clowning on you about the love triangle thing. Just watched the most recent new episode, and you were totally right. I'm never going to stick my neck out for a scrote's writing ability again.
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I got some milk about Viv and merry gang of cringelords.
I was at the Hazbin wrap party at the animation studio that did some work on it.
>The gang of them rocked up and literally didn’t say hello to anyone for half an hour. Just came and took selfies with the cut outs of the Hazbin characters then went out in the balcony and talked amongst themselves.
>Viv was really sweet and lovely but I have never seen anyone wear a more mismatched outfit. She spent the entire night non stop taking photos. Spent 50% of her time staring through the phone taking pics or vlogging the group on a digital camera. Stuff like getting the group to dance for the camera and singing really performatively. You could tell they don’t get out much.
>Sam the background lead was obnoxiously aloof and had this deranged “I’m the hottest girl in high school” persona. The irony of all that being she looked dishevelled. Hair was a total mess, makeup was scuffed, she was wearing a shaggy coat that looked like it smelled. She spent the entire night rigor mortis in a weird fucking pose like a barbie doll so the coat could drape off her arms in a particular way. It truly felt like watching a high schooler who thought they were better than everyone parade around in front of a bunch of adults.
>Idk who it was but during the speeches people made, there was one girl in the posse that was so awkward she kept loudly interjecting to yell stuff. Half the audience was visibly cringing and laughing at her the further along it got. Like Viv she also seemed like a sweetheart but just had absolutely zero social skills.
All in all they were the maladapted, socially stunted animation types you’d expect them to be. No suprises there I suppose. I hold no ill will against them, just find it funny how much they fit the stereotype to a T.
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>>1832590>>1832796NTA but even though I don't disagree with the notion this show's downhill had a lot to do with this ugly faggot's presence in it you are both delusional if you really believe it was all him, it's most likely that he fueled and enabled vivzie's fujoism and misogyny and in turn vivzie enabled Brandon and allowed him to have a successful show for once in his whole damn career. I mean look at
>>1833326 clearly this bitch apart from being ugly doesn't go outside enough she's gonna fawn over any hideous dicklet that gives her 0.1 seconds of attention lmao you seem not to know pickmes enough. Plus shes a fan of both shuwu and Blair white. I doubt their misogyny is subconcious or an accident.
>>1833286>Although I think there's nothing wrong with being a fujo as long as you're self aware about it and you don't use it to express misogyny. It's just like any other fandom/hobbyWhy do fujos have to derail to defend the honor of fujoshit every damn single time in this website in every damn thread anons try to point out the obvious coomerism and pornsickness induced misogyny and pickmeism being a fujo does to one? Get lost we don't care You Are Not Like Other Fujos, if you are so fixated with defending fucking yaoi past 16 you are likely a gigantic fucking loser. I bet many of the anons itt calling out Noelle and Vivzie have been or still have fujo tendencies themselves, me included, and that's why we can pin point where their behavior emanates from and we cringe hard about it. Being fixated with trying to defend something that's in the end of the day a porn genre makes you look like a terminally online loser. It's moid tier behavior.
No. 1833421
>>1833385And why do you feel the need to scream "fujo!!!" even when everyone has already said the same shit a hundred times? Anon was right, some people are labeling every misogynistic nlog faghag a foojo when in truth fujos can enjoy their hobby while writing actual good stories and not hating women so much. It's a simple fact but you seem to have a problem with that. Inb4 you start shitting yourself and linking every tumblr fakeboy you know, you have a thread for that in /ot/ and fujos have their thread in /m/.
>>1833403I think she's just too busy with mourning and handling her carreer so she hasn't been able to record new voice lines.
No. 1833566
>>1831033I just wish she'd write a decent female character or develop the ones she already has. Hazbin hotel maybe has some hope since it got picked up by a studio, but maybe that's wishful thinking? I just get the feeling that she really is that quintessential millennial faghag who will try to offend everyone but gay men and troons, like an almost 2010s buzzfeed/tumblr type stereotype of a faghag.
All the talk of millennial writing has me thinking when we're going to see videos talking about gen z writing, because I wonder what the recurring things will be when they enter the industry and start pitching their stories. Like millennials have the quirky one liners (or is that gen x?) and the "I hate my parents"/"I was bullied for being x race" plotlines, what's going to be the equivalent that will be coming from the older crop of gen z?
No. 1833582
>>1832579>Brokeback Mountain was written by a woman, is she an evil fujoshi?There's a difference between writing about gay people and using them as dolls to make yourself happy. A fujo only thinks of their own happiness when writing because their primary interest in gay people is through fandom shipping. That's why fujos hate women who get in the way of their ship (ie: their happiness playing with their dolls)
It's easy to tell the difference between the two if you've spent any time in a fujo invested fandom.
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>>1833606Yes his wordplay is garbage compared to the melodies and lyrics in classic Disney films. Under the Surface has the worst rhymes ever, and We Don't Talk about Bruno is so bad that even one breadtube adjacent video essayist made fun of its culminating line "time for diiiiiner!"
No. 1833833
>>1833606Omg thank you. I think his lyrics are annoying as fuck and I don't think they work in the settings of the movies. Surface pressure was the worst Disney song I've ever heard, it's just so cringy, annoying and tiktok-y?
I absolutely hated his work with Hamilton (both the songs and his voice) and to this day I don't understand how it got so popular at the time. Some super bad lyrics of that musical are still stuck in my head because of how terrible they are.
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Helluva Boss Episode 6 Leak, Once again, Vivzie reduces Millie's character to nothing more than her relationship with Moxxie and her role in protecting him. I don't even get she's trying to convey through these two. Millie, a tough and strong while Moxxie, spends most of his time being kidnapped and appearing helpless.
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As much as I would love to blame it on Brandon's bad writing he seems to keep everyone stupid in his skits viv on the other had seems to go out of the way to make sure woman are stupid and worthless and below the male Species. you can see it in her old work way before Brandon. Was there a reason to write this stuff like this?
No. 1834390
>>1831100It's more about the fact that Dinsey is a corporation and you can't really do anything without upper approval and keeping the stockholders happy. This is strange because the "safe" projects are not really making them money. Even back in the day, Chris Sanders literally had to make Lilo and Stitch in secret because it was "too weird" for Disney and he got fired while working on Bolt because his direction was too strange. I think everything is especially bad these days because it's the rich af creepy woke kids that can afford CalArts and SVA that are getting studio jobs and their existence is so hollow they can only see the world through their fetishes or woke internet trends.
>>1831356 Right she reminds me of Holly Brown in that they both clearly don't give a shit about fleshing out a good story, they just want to make gay porn of their OCs.
>>1831620 The only issue with toon boom is how media made with it is so generic and looks the same, plus there is a lot of tweening to save time. Read The Animators Survival Kit and get some of Aaron Blaise animation videos, you do not need software to learn, in fact, it hinders learning in a lot of ways.
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The leaks from the episode 12 (which is season finale, while we are currently on episode 4) shows that the season will end with Octavia storming off in anger after learning that Stolas had been taking antidepressants in secret. The way the scenes are framed seems to suggest that Octavia is being portrayed as unreasonable for being angry at Stolas for lying to her and also cheating on his wife.
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>>1835307You're not wrong, but I find it interesting how wish fulfillment-driven stories aren't criticized nearly as much when they're authored/drawn by men. Yet people lose their shit and suddenly care about ~artistry~ the second a woman does the same thing (Twilight is a good example of this.) I'm not saying women should be immune to criticism for wish fulfillment, but at least hold men and women to the same damn standard.
Obviously major projects with commercial intent and lots of people involved (like Viv's shows) are fair game to criticize for wish-fulfillment among other shitty writing choices, but anons scream at (non-TiF) women for even just
enjoying yaoishit or drawing it for themselves. How is that an issue of "writing quality?" It sounds to me like puritanical tut-tutting at women for having a fetish. Like… why. I want to know the actual reason why anons have so much vitriol for what amounts to bunch of female geeks just being kind of cringe. It's clearly something more deep-seated than "muh writing" or concern-trolling about how if someone looks at yaoi she'll immediately saw her tits off.
No. 1835402
>>1835382You speak truths, anon. Every other show is 80% made to appease the writers fetishes and desire to have females sexualized and objectified left and right, to the point it’s disruptive and detracts from the watching experience. I can live with one woman squeeing about her yaoi OCs.
>>1835399J. Vasquez was/is celebrated for trying to disobey the studio and the audience expectations and just do whatever the fuck he wanted to his show and ideas.
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>>1835390Pretty sure that’s just speculation/wishful thinking. I would be shocked if someone at A24 wasn’t trying to rein her in somewhat but they also probably realize that her uwu gay shipping shit is a huge part of the appeal to the online fan base that made them realize the show was worth picking up in the first place. Hopefully they find a balance, I think it has potential once they tighten the plot a little
>>1835402>J. Vasquez was/is celebrated for trying to disobey the studio and the audience expectations and just do whatever the fuck he wanted to his show and ideas.I haven’t seen IZ since jr high but his stuff was considered genuinely “edgy” for its time though wasn’t it? I ageee that people are harder on female creators but HB and HH aren’t pushing the envelope or defying expectation to say anything new or do anything groundbreaking with their stories.
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>>1835283>>1835382It's a bit strange that you're bringing up misogyny when we're criticizing Vivziepop. Cause the most frequent complaint in this thread is how the female characters are undeveloped. Hell It would be one thing if they were just one-dimensional, but the amount of times the main cast uses derogatory terms about women is kinda upsetting, and it's okay to focus on a main gay male relationship, but it's not okay to ignore blatant misogyny. It's especially wrong to brush it off as a non-issue compared to insults against the gay males.
picrel is her admitting she sacrificed any potential character development of Millie by prioritizing Biltzo and Stolas
No. 1835566
>>1835283This. I swear every time I open this thread it's people complaining about vivziepop's indie work not catering to their own demands and interests and instead being her self-indulgent project. It would be understandable if people were dropping
valid criticism about the structure, design or overall writing of hazbin but every time it's "AGSFAGSDFS WHY IS THE MOST ATTRACTIVE MALE CHARACTER A HYPERSEXUAL GAY PROSTITUTE HOW DARE THIS RETARDED FUJO DO THIS AARRGH WHERE'S MY DEDICATED HUSBANDO CHARACTER" over and over again. Except this time people are licking J. Vasquez's asshole like he was a creative genius totally not showcasing his fetish all over the screen instead of the worst lolsorandumb sellout of the 00's. JTHM was the onceler of 2005.
No. 1835759
>>1835550Sorry if it seemed like I was defending the show's poor female representation– I wasn't. To go back to the Twilight comparison, Stephanie Meyer was terrible at writing women, and the book has a lot of her misogynistic Mormon nonsense baked in. But two things can be true at the same time: a piece of art can reflect a female artist's misogynistic beliefs, but misogyny can also be a major motivator for critics, particularly male ones.
I was speaking more generally an this phenomenon, and I clarified several times that it wasn't about Viv specifically. She definitely has an issue with writing female characters poorly, which is a shame because I think some of the initial concepts for the characters had potential. It's very easy to imagine a character like Charlie being really fun when written by someone with actual skill.
I think the OTT fanservice of HB really screws up the tone. The theme park episode gave me whiplash, because one second we're soberly dealing with serious issues about family and marriage, and the next we're Superjail in hell. They're trying to do the Rick and Morty thing of weaving in character drama, but it wasn't exactly well executed there, either, and R&M's writers are way more talented than Viv and Brandon. Bojack horseman pulled that off pretty well, but that's because it was the focus of the show, and the comedy was very secondary (and also typically relegated to characters other than Bojack). Plus the show built to that sort of thing; it revealed Bojack's history slowly. HB has no restraint and just heaped a bunch of sad backstory for a character we barely know on us.
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>>1835550I really don't know why people keep bringing this up and think that a female creator owes them female-focused stories or else they're gender traitors or handmaidens or fujocoomers or whatever. Focusing on male characters isn't synonymous to having badly written female characters, it's just a different mindset. She creates works about characters that are appealing to women and mostly women only, they just aren't explicitly female. Hazbin wasn't a calculated effort to bring in viewers who want female characters and it never branded itself as such so it's a weirdly bitter point to even bring up when the supposedly badly written female characters even barely exist. I wouldn't want a character like Angel Dust (since he's the one the thread seems to constantly seethe over) to be one, it would be a tired, male-gazey trope to see a woman be coomerized and sexualized like he is.
>>1835762Let's be real most of the time the "ree why are the female characters so bad and the focus is on fujoshit" is a codeword for "I can't self-insert or waifuize anyone so I hate it", especially when you're bringing
John Kricfalusi as the shining beacon of having "reins on your fetish". The absolute brain fried lack of self awareness is stunning.
>>1835955And hazbin is an independent project, not a mainstream TV channel show. So what's your point?
>>1835960I don't know how people are accepting of Totally Spies being a thinly veiled fetish show yet fully overlook Ren and Stimpy.
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>>1835980Thus far, pretty much every female character have been insulted in the cruelest and most misogynistic manner possible, except for Millie, Octavia, and Loona. This is often presented in a way that is intended to be "funny", even when it involves insulting and offensive remarks towards young girls and mothers. Meanwhile, any insults directed towards the main characters are framed as unacceptable and deserving of punishment or hate.
No. 1836001
>>1831768ayrt and I see what you mean but
>This looks like a list of completely normal things that are fetishized by pervertsthat's literally why they're paraphilias lol
No. 1836024
>>1836008Oh shit you're right, I didn't read properly. Though my point still applies, Angel Dust isn't much better with the stick body and beanmouth face and crazy hair that look the same from all angles.
>>1835989I know, but Vivzie made him look like an angel and according to her script he has an army of female only subordinate angels with vagina names.
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>>1835985Why tf is Darla Dimple there? Helluva boss could never be cats don’t dance.
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>>1835985>>1836074kek yeah she really made no effort in making her carbon copy of Darla dimple look unique did she?
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>>1835987The disproportionate usage of misogynist language is a fair critique, but I think it's more about the need to be edgy and most English language insults being centered around bitch/whore/pussy/cunt etc in general than a conscious decision. The stories do have a lot of female characters though and they're not badly written or offensive IMO, just pushed aside. If anything I feel like they're played too safe and nice which makes them milquetoast compared to the male characters that are allowed to go crazy and be
problematic and that's why they seem "badly written" to people.
>>1836074>>1836077I'm pretty sure her character is meant to be a homage, not a ripoff per se. IIRC Cats don't dance is Vivziepop's favourite film and a huge inspiration to her work.
No. 1836120
>>1836108>most English language insults being centered around bitch/whore/pussy/cunt etc in general than a conscious decisionUh? There are
several insults that are not centered in misogyny and are used quite frequently too, like asshole, motherfucker, dick, etc. It is really not necessary to only use words like "bitch" and "cunt"
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>>1835987I thought you were kidding. Clitorissa, Pusscilla? Really?
No. 1836219
>>1836108Nonnie if you don't want to see others shit on the show you like, don't bother with the thread. It's kinda sad seeing you so desperately defend HB. It's declined in quality vastly from s1 and it's pretty unlikely that they'll salvage it.
Here's a bulletpointed list as problems nonas in thread have with the show:
>poor writing>blatant misogyny>underdeveloped female characters>too much shipping bs (faghaggery)>stolas>blitzo>millie is an accessory to moxxie>inconsistent animation (especially in the mafia episode)>immature humour (not even vulgar, just straight up garbage) There's more but I'm too sick to bother with more of this.
Not saying you can't talk about a show's positive aspects but don't shit up a thread with blatant cope. It's annoying at best. No. 1836221
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>>1836201>>1836024What's weird is that in the Bible, almost all angels are listed as male, except for two unnamed female angels mentioned in the book of Zechariah, along with some in non-canonical biblical texts.
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>>1836108>but I think it's more about the need to be edgy and most English language insults being centered around bitch/whore/pussy/cuntThis is simply untrue. Fuck, fuckface, dick, dickhead, motherfucker, dumbass, asshole, faggot, tranny, there are A LOT of insults available. Instead they often use cunt/bitch/whore, specifically with women too. They even make them up and they're sex-specific like "titty haver", seriously? How can you not see how misogynistic they are?
>the stories do have a lot of female characters though and they're not badly written or offensive IMO, just pushed aside.How are they well-written? You say they're deep but we don't see them do shit, so at this point all this perceives depth is just headcanon. The writers need to actually show us the female characters' depth instead of going "yeah she's super strong!" or "she's depressed and has a tough sad past" on some Twitter post or narrated in the span of one minute during an episode that's otherwise filled with male character development. Hell even the episode featuring Millie's family that takes place in Millie's hometown is focused around fucking Moxxie, Striker and Stolas. There were so little Millie scenes and she had to share one with the tim brother, how insulting is that? Kek and all of her scenes across the series are just her going batshit and killing everyone every single time. Not a hint of character development or depth.
No. 1836488
>>1836201I don't think Vivziepop is trying to create a 1:1 of bible lore with her badly written fiction or anything, but this is so fucking stupid to anyone with even a passing understanding of christianity. Sure, Adam is a biblical entity a lot of people are familiar with, but he never had anything to do with angels. There is an actual cited leader of the armies of heaven, who is the archangel Michael, a sexless spirit, and in the catholic tradition specifically, the high general of Michael and the angelic armies is actually the Virgin Mary.
Instead of drawing on any of that for an ounce of original inspiration, she used her ignorance as an opportunity to make another source of in-show misogyny for no good creative reason. Amazing.
No. 1836506
>>1833833all of hamilton sounds like cringe 90s "educational rap"
motherfucker should have stayed at the electric company where his hack ass belongs
No. 1836601
I recently rewatched some old episodes from Season 1, and I must say that they are vastly better when the show didn't take itself seriously and focused on the comedy and actual plot , which made it more enjoyable. However, one thing that remained consistent across seasons 1 and 2, both the good and bad episodes, most stories gradually progress from point A to point B to point C, but HB often abruptly shifts from point A to point C sometimes in 15 seconds. It's really jarring, and I think Vivzie needs to take a writing class or something, as rewatching some episodes becomes tedious. Also, I have to admit I'm not a fan of the voice direction for some of the characters. Despite the fact that the show has talented actors, but are given accents they can't perform or made to say things that don't match their voices. Fucking, Funimation did better job voice directing.
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>'Elemental' Projected to Earn $40 Million Box Office Opening, Ranking Among Pixar's Lowest
Perhaps this could motivate Pixar to prioritize producing actually good stories.
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>>1837477Kids and adults love buying plushies of middle-aged men for $40!
It's sad that Pixar can't find it's footing again. Onward, Soul, Luca, and Lightyear we're forgot "flops."
I think Turning Red did well overall and will be remembered.
I wish they didn't make a movie every year, it used to be special when they released a new film every 2/3 years.
Coco and Inside Out were hits, I just wonder why Pixar/Disney won't stop making tons of live action reboots and forgettable IP every year when it wastes their money and everyone's time.
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>>1837619Even though it was very simple, I did like the message of Soul. Precisely one scene, where he remembers just sitting in a cafe eating a cake while it rains outside as one of the most fond memories of his life, even more precious than some of the 'achievment' ones. That unimportant but nice moments are what's worth living for (that simple thing helps me when I feel like shit about not doing enough).
I didn't really enjoy much of the movie's comedy and designs though. That plushie is funny as shit.
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>>1839457Nta, I just don’t get why everyone tries to pander to them when they’re so racist, like yeah, they’re a bunch of people but still.
Plus, Disney could just have their own Disney Asia or something like that so they could make their own Asian versions of movies, so they all stop being mad for not being catered to, while letting those that are not fragile snowflakes enjoy shit.
Like, idk, if it wasn’t for that weird Asian censorship that has to exist in Disney in particular, I think movies would be vastly different, maybe stories wouldn’t be so boring or writers would be able to be a bit more creative.
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Least misogynistic Helluva Boss fan
No. 1839713
>>1839709They don't realize the problem isn't an
abusive woman, the problem is every woman is either
abusive or has the depth of a puddle.
No. 1839864
>>1839622>I just don’t get why everyone tries to pander to them when they’re so racistIt's China
>while letting those that are not fragile snowflakes enjoy shitAlmost nobody likes forced inclusion,
worldwide>If it wasn’t for that weird Asian censorship that has to exist in Disney in particular, I think movies would be vastly different, maybe stories wouldn’t be so boring or writers would be able to be a bit more creativeI'm pretty sure asian censorship is not the only cancer currently killing creativity in recent productions, hell, i would imply nepotism, gendies and retarded identity politics are the main problems
No. 1839899
>>1839709She’s such a weird character like I can’t bring myself to hate her.
She was forced into this dumb marriage as much as Stolas was yet the show does acknowledge that.
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Unicorn Warriors is great. the blue guy's a fuckin dick, i love it.
No. 1840041
>>1839508Honestly he really needs to just let it go and maybe salvage aspects from it for future projects. It's probably daunting trying to start from scratch but it's so painful seeing artists get stuck on one project out of this stubbornness to let something fail. This is all based on a webcomic that he started years ago when he was young and on tumblr. I get that he really cares about it, but creatively, things weren't meant to be. It looks like it would be a nightmare to animate and is really kinda a western Jojo ripoff.
Also he really didn't think through his public perception when putting things in his Youtube videos. Especially in a climate where saying one thing out of line can get you removed from a production. It seems really naive of him to say offputting things on his public Youtube channel, and expecting to break into an industry of very sensitive people. I think he has skill and like his 90s/2000s edgy aesthetic, but his attitude hasn't changed since he was 18 in it really shows.
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So, I read the first two and last two chapters of Pan's comic, and it's not very good. The art would be fine if It was just illustrations, but as actual characters, the characters move like they're underwater(awkward and slow). Additionally, it's hard to differentiate between IRLs and the organics(the humans are multi-colored in this world), and the story doesn't have a strong foundation for a good plot.
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>>1839508I just feel bad for him, his dream animated show concept is very "10th grade creative writing prompt" and it just doesn't have much appeal because it's all over the place. He's self deprecating and embarrassing to watch as a YouTube reviewer too. Maybe if Pan was a better artistic craftsman he could pull Loki IRL off but his humor and art style is just too underbaked. Helluva and Hazbin look much more polished and from a specific auteur.
IMO Pan could break into the industry proper but would probably be dropped just like Roiland because he's a coomer with no raw talent.
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Am I the only one who actually likes the clone high reboot? I think they did a good job in addressing the sexism with joan vs cleo. I don't even mind the new designs accept harriet who looks like deviantart OC. Frida has the gives no fucks artsy vibes done well
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Vivziepop addresses her refusal to accept criticism 1/2
No. 1840843
>>1840841Basically "keep your mouth shut and kiss ass if you don't want to get blacklisted."
Fair enough but for those who aren't interested in finding a job in the animation industry these tweets mean nothing.
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>>1840357Hahaha what the actual fuck?
This is just an incomprehensible mess and so incredibly ugly.
No. 1840964
>>1840841>if you can't fathom that bad faith, misinformed, or incorrect takes on media could POSSIBLY existIs it really bad faith, I mean really? Is it bad for me to maybe,
maybe suggest that if your self indulgent projects contain an ample amount of misogyny to accompany the gay men and no developed female characters, that you should do some introspection as to why? Maybe do a little thinking why you're okay with misogyny and not the 2000s tier fanfic writing? No? Blacklist time?
I wonder what prompted her to sperg out like this, but at the end of the day she'll just make another rehashed poor gay wittle babies episode, and it'll be really good this time I promise. Also Adam is GREAT character design.
>>1840894Kek incoming coomer backlash. Also I didn't see the trans flag either, maybe it was also censored in my country or the place where I was viewing it?
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Can I just say that I dislike the look of Andrealphus (easily Vivziepop's worst designed characters thus far), and he's like the fifth sassy gay male character who undermines a female character. It's frustrating that Stella can't even be an over the top villain, as her sassy gay brother(who is identical to her husband) has to one-up her.
I swear if we get Andrealphus's backstory before Stella's then I'm gonna to lose it.
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>>1841300Your post made me realize that some of Viv's best-character designs were created when she had a specific direction to work towards. For example, the Goetias were inspired by the Lesser Key of Solomon (although it's likely she did nothing more then a simple google search) and she had something to work off of, resulting in more interesting designs.
No. 1842010
Two big shots from Pixar got fired (laid off), both were on the Lightyear movie but they did a LOT of stuff for the company before then. Angus MacLane was with the company since Gerry's Game and worked of every animated movie and TV special.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_MacLaneAnd Galyn Susman, who was with the company since 1990 and was the new mom who saved Toy Story 2 according to the YouTube video (and I've heard about the mom who saved Toy Story 2 after it was accidentally deleted many times just never connected this before).
No. 1842812
Lord Bung(SCP Confinement guy) has ended the series and deleted his channel, for those unaware he got addicted to painkillers. trooned out and defended his friend who was accused of grooming and rape
https://archive.org/details/lord-bung/ Archive for his videos. Includes the leaked ep 8 which is literally just softcore porn of his self-insert and the female characters swooning over him.
No. 1842843
>>1842028That's why I don't see the point of these remakes. Do people really see themselves giving these remakes rewatches like how we used to rewatch our favorite animated Disney movies back in the 90s to early 2000s via VHS tapes? lol
They're all soulless in comparison to the animated classics.
No. 1842846
>>1840593Curious. What would you do to improve Harriet's design? I don't disagree with you, the colors are tacky and she just doesn't feel authentic for the show and as you, makes her look like a DeviantART oc.
I personally would give her a stylish looking bandana and just change the outfit color scheme because the outfit isn't bad per say, seems preppy inspired but the colors are what ruin it. I'm thinking making the shirt cream colored, shorts black or brown, and off white socks.
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>>1842846just make her hair black and simplify her outfit
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>>1842812I saw discussions of this online and people kept saying this guy made "4 minutes of softcore porn!!!" And it was extremely misogynistic and a self-insert etc, which lead to him deleting the channel.
But the clip is like maybe 2 minutes of cartoon nudity, and is very Superjail + sex comedy. The generic guy is literally slipping around a random government facility naked while of government agents (?) shower naked and try to help him while falling on his dick, and a buff woman gives him naked CPR. It's too sexual with all the blushing to be OTT like Superjail but I can definitely see the Warden slipping around naked in an endless shower scene full of naked women and men who somehow are all having sex with him accidentally.
Maybe the fandom is just a lot of kids and "Puriteens" and this joke doesn't land/ is out of character for the series.
No. 1843009
>>1842915I was ready to agree with you on this but it's not played as straight comedy like something like superjail would do it. All of the characters are horny and grabbing their crotches and masturbating just from seeing the self insert character naked. It's really weird lol it definitely made me uncomfortable to watch in a way Superjail never did.
Did he really delete the channel over the backlash from this clip? I never paid much attention to him, but from what little I know this does seem out of nowhere for his work
No. 1843022
>>1843009Samefag but I looked into it a little more and discovered why people are actually so mad at this beyond it being just kind of gross
Apparently Lord Bung has been "working" on this episode of Confinement for 4 years now all while still bringing in patreon money and promising the new episode was coming. Then after 4 years this is all he provides, gets criticized bc it's shit, and then leaves the internet over it, having effectively run away with 4 years of patreon money meant to fund the episode. Wild lol
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>>1843029>>1842915https://files.catbox.moe/n9ztom.mp4vidrel is the full scene btw, this took 4 years and cost 150'000+ Dollars
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Noelle is looking rough these days
No. 1843518
>>1843452god fucking dammit, i wanted to call her elliot page to take the piss then i saw
>>1843433 and thought oh well, the joke was too obvious but it's actually backed by ellen. they all turn into quasimodo medieval shinjis that eat raw offals in puddle water behind the church
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>>1840841I think the reason she's upset is that most of the criticism comes from people who actually enjoyed the show and praised the first season, but are critical of the writing of the second season and she can't ,orally fault any of her detractors, accusing them of being homophobic Christians.
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Stella is possibly the worst handled female character I've ever seen, she's just an evil "bitch" that the audience is meant to hate, she's not a fun evil villain either, she's just abusive and stupid. And with the introduction of Andrelphaus, Stella now becomes the secondary to push her brother as the bigger villain. So there can't be a woman as the main adversary of the cast, because she also only does this for a man, not herself. I wouldn't mind if she had been petty for petty's sake. But now she's doing it because a man told her to?
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Is zakeno truly an intersex? She's been a cow that I followed for a while, but never ever she mentioned being intersex before. I only remember trooning out and going on hormones. She's been posting a lot of concerning things recently 1/2
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>>1843760She was mentioned in this thread earlier,
>>1812098>>1843783I suspect doctors don't know what to do because she fucked her health up with HRT and possibly refuses to treat her or she refuses to get treatment herself (just a speculation of mine based on multiple stories of these people making strange, "gender affirming" or whatever, demands for their trans status).
I find it suspicious that she tries to push a contradictory narrative, where some tweets state that she has been denied care altogether, but then literally the next tweet is about being experimented on (picrel)
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>>1843840How "bad" you have to be so even your psychotherapist threatens to quit?
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>>1843843Months old milk, but I don't believe it was uploaded here. There is clearly something wrong with her and nonnas who have mentioned above following hew for ages will agree that she massively deteriorated.
I can't seem to attach the video on here no matter what, so I'll leave this link where you can see her strange facial and body movements better
https://zakeno.tumblr.com/post/715418079332614144/sorry-ive-been-gone-i-got-burnt-out-so-bad-i No. 1844198
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picrel (which has been shared a lot on twitter) was very clearly made by a Helluva Boss fan who enjoyed the first season and thought it was much deeper than it actually was, but even they can understand the obvious flaws of season two's writing and the character assassination for the sake of BlitzxStolas
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So recently Matt Williames, who's one of the lead animators for Netflix's Klaus, retweeted Matt Walsh's new documentary. And a lot of these Nu-Animators started ostracizing him for it.
No. 1844898
>>1844559Matt Walsh is a sexist douchebag catholic tool and I hate that there's no one on the left saying common sense things like "a woman doesn't have a penis", so reasonable non-bigots are left turning towards this moid. Also LOVE how no one is calling this artist a
terf and sending him death threats, which definitely would have happened if this was a female artist.
No. 1844935
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>>1844198I can’t stop laughing at thus.
No. 1845292
>>1844898Thats how rightoid grifters thrive. They see some ultraliberal nonsense like troons then leverage that but presenting some "dissenting but not too spicy takes" to drag the moderates towards them. At which point they try to slowly ease them into their batshit ideologies until they have a new cultist ready to hand over $$$ and give them infinite attention on social media.
The irony of all this being the EXACT behavior trannies pull is a irony lost on them
No. 1845317
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>>1840593>>1840597Sage for a Clone High sperg
I think it doesn't understand the humor of the original and it's jarring to watch. A lot of the humor is dated (the pumpkin spice/duckface/kylie jenner lips episode is something you'd have seen in like 2016) or simply lul so random. It's much more fast paced and on the nose which on one hand seems to be pandering to tiktok zoomers but on the other they routinely poke fun at them in a out of touch 'parenty' way (like the joke about zoomers not knowing what books are). I found the pop culture montage from the first episode cringe. Of course the original did have its weak moments like that too but the parts that were actually good balanced it out. The reboot has more misses than hits and the new characters are bad in every way. The idea of Frida replacing Cleo in a sort of generational gap way where the most popular at school isn't the hot Stacy but a quirky cool girl is a nice concept though and I wish the 'lul it's not the 2000s anymore!' aspect relied more on things like that instead of telling us directly that the x genre of music is not cool anymore or whatever. They'd still need to redesign the new characters though, aside from being ugly, they don't even look like they're from the same show. Picrel still sucks but it's so much better than what we got.
No. 1845698
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>>1844198This 4chan screenshot is also getting shared.
No. 1845833
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WTF is this shit!
No. 1846088
>>1845292>>1845326>>1844898THIS! LOL
I hate how normal people are so afraid of pushback from unhinged mentally insane troons they just leave the field wide open for neonazi grifters to peddle their insane bullshit by masking them with entirely sane and normal takes like "men arent women".
No. 1846322
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>>1846237nta but I think she's confusing lord bung with transgirlnextdoor, they have somewhat similar art-styles and are both asian TIMs who trooned out due to their obvious porn-addiction.
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>>1845933>>1846062>>1846138you might be on to something, the main staff writer for this entire season was a woman by the name of Siena East who only has one short film writing credit for this gig(and some work on buzzfeed). She seems exactly the type to joke about white men but also lust after them
No. 1846381
>>1840593>>1845317Sperging more about the designs, but the new designs are a good lesson in color design and how it can make the show more cohesive.
All of the original designs have very minimalist color design - skin color, black and/or white, one or two neutrals like brown or very desaturated blues and greens, and one saturated focus color.
The new designs have zero neutral colors outside of the skin tones, and 5-7 equally saturated, bright "focus" colors. If they replaced even half of the random ass colors with neutrals it'd look better, why the hell did they go so crazy with it?
No. 1846558
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>>1845317I think the real ussies is that most of the writers are millennials who don't know what Gen-Z really is like, and only sort of exposure comes from isolated instances on twitter and so this is what they think zoomers talk and act like.
No. 1846626
>>1846586A fib is a another word for lie. 'just got took' means 'just got scammed'. 'just got took' could also mean 'just got beaten up' but given it's clone high and talking about simps, I think scammed is the more appropriate meaning, but idk, I didn't even watch the original.
Fib hasn't been a popular word since actual boomers. "just got took" is boomer/gen x. So 'no fib' should be 'no cap'. I don't know what the zoomer equivalent of 'just got scammed' is.
No. 1846763
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>>1844559These replies are fucking embarrassing kek. Also gotta love the mid art shilling in the QRT's.
>>1844565I don't think he's done for. No one is threatening to kill him or call his employer. If he were a woman, then yeah, he would be.
No. 1846831
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>>1846646>>1846725Its wishful projection, anytime I see millennials fetishize HOW "LGBTABC" are compared to previous generations I'm reminded of picrel.
No. 1846904
>>1842976>no one repliedit's over.
>>1843458I unironically think it might be a factor
No. 1847076
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>>1811748They made Clark cute… Maybe I'll watch it after all.
No. 1847263
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>"it’s not bad writing you're just homophobic!"
>vivziepop liked this tweet
Oh, fuck off. I don't know why they're acting like 'qUeEr tHeMeS" are new in the show either, every episode from the beginning is full of male characters saying gay shit the entire time. But fuck me for expecting a wacky workplace comedy set in Hell instead of fujo cringe shit, right?
No. 1847277
>>1847156damn that style looks terrible. the og comic was terribly written but at least it had its own style (though that extremely 2010s tumblr style ages poorly).
this shit is atrocious
No. 1847366
>>1847310To be fair didn’t production on it start years ago? It almost got shelved when Disney bought Fox
>>1847334THEY CALL ME STAY-CEEEE
No. 1847752
>>1847263She’s upset that people want substance and a good plot rather than some stupid fujo shipping shit.
I hope someone takes the idea of hazbin or helluva but makes a better show without the shipping. And watch Viz seethe
No. 1847753
>>1847263She’s upset that people want substance and a good plot rather than some stupid fujo shipping shit.
I hope someone takes the idea of hazbin or helluva but makes a better show without the shipping. And watch Viz seethe
No. 1847772
>>1847263She’s upset that people want substance and a good plot rather than some stupid fujo shipping shit.
I hope someone takes the idea of hazbin or helluva but makes a better show without the shipping. And watch Viz seethe
No. 1848021
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Is anyone else following the Oye Primos drama?
>Disney puts out a new baby show centered around a Latina
>She lives with her one thousand cousins in one house in "Terramoto Heights" (Earthquake Heights). One of her baby cousins is named "Cuquita" (slang for pussy). The whole show has piss filter and its title is gramatically wrong.
>LATAM people start clowning on this show, Disney pulls the theme song out of socials
>The staff starts to seethe
>The main voice actress puts out this piece of shit video on her instagram
No. 1848046
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>>1848022I love seeing these people fail at their shallow attempts at diversity
No. 1848171
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>>1848021Using the excuse of not wanting to learn Spanish because that's the language of "colonizers" while speaking in English, its like a fucking parody
>>1848046someone made this edit.
No. 1848175
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>>1848021The creator really seems upset over this.
No. 1848190
>>1848021What truly bothers me aren't the stereotypes, the yellow sky, the names, or even the poor Spanish, even if that is a bit
triggering. It's actually the responses the cast gave. How can you be proud of your roots if you dismiss Spanish as simply a "conquistador language"? Spanish is a language of both the conquered and colonizers; it came from strife, and the people of Latin America made it their own. They take pride in their regional differences and in speaking a tongue that goes back to ancient Rome. That's why disrespecting the language, which is a key part of many Latin American countries and our culture, is so offensive. The way we speak Spanish is really important. That's why "cookita" became a thing. And I understand that many of the showrunners didn't feel safe appropriating the culture and language as children or teenagers, and that's why, as adults, they may not have the best command of Spanish. But another thing that not only bothers me but others is when people use Spanish for a product like they aren't trying. They just use their heritage for profit with the minimum effort because now it's more cool to be Latino than it was before. So, if you think Spanish is a bad language because it was imposed by the Spanish conquistadors and you can disrespect it as much as you want, why try so hard to use it in English, which is a native American language?
No. 1848214
>>1848190And they seem to ignore that Spanish had its roots from Latin, but also from Persian, Portuguese, French and even more because… Spain was also conquered too.
So is not a language that came from the evil roots of Latin to delete indigenous languages like they want to show.
>>1848021>Terramoto HeightsFor some reason I thought it was a Chilean show.
>>1848131Cuquita is a toy made for girls, so she didn't thought the slang thing.
No. 1848220
>>1848021>nooo you can't correct me because it's you guys' fault you were colonized please stop making fun of me on twitter and isntagram>new diaspora war is bornIf I were to describe this show, it would be as if somebody made the word "latinx" into a show.
>>1848201Yeah, I see a lot of resentment being taken out unfortunately. There's a lot of anger in USA latinos commonly speaking over or thinking that they're better than their latam counterparts, and then the LATAM latinos call them detached white gringos living the good life. Endless cycle of screaming at each other. Sperg vent but yeah I'm from latam and some american latinos just seem to hate whatever the fuck we like. There's a big divide on what is or isn't considered good representation for us, that's how you get shows that are "hola! let's go out with mi amigos from mexico!" vs "badass ultra-buff mexican luchadores fighting to the death"
We tend to want VASTLY different things from shows and media.
No. 1848230
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>>1848220>If I were to describe this show, it would be as if somebody made the word "latinx" into a show.KEK samefag this is the official pitch apparently
No. 1848231
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>>1848230>latinxNobody in latam uses or identifies with this fucking word, you have already alienated yourselves
No. 1848240
>>1848175I think there's nothing wrong with American born Latinos creating a show for themselves about their unique experiences. I sympathize with feeling othered as a minority growing up in a white country, you grow up alienated from your parents' culture and also American culture. There's nothing wrong with exploring this.
The backlash seems to be because this was marketed as Latin Representation, when it's clearly just an American story with Latin characters.
No. 1848255
>>1848235I don't really understand her and other LatAm immigrant kids' persepctive in the US. Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the US and there are ethnic communities in big cities everywhere, especially for Mexican immigrants and subsequent generations. They have the opportunity to go better their language very easily if they're insecure. Media for Spanish speakers is easily accessible as compared to other cultures. I don't get why people like her are so whiny. I'm from a small country with MAYBE 30,000 immigrants dispersed throughout the US (and I'm not sure how many of them are 2nd gen or more removed). Finding friends to talk to and media to consume was very hard when we immigrated in the early 2000s.
If she's making simple grammar mistakes go watch movies or tv shows! Speak to your parents and relatives so they correct you! Lazy grammar mistakes are not linguistic evolution, ffs.
No. 1848257
samefag but I forgot to say, I'm not critiquing you
>>1848235 nonnie, I forgot to attach her berating a person here
>>1848175 for correcting her grammar mistake. I totally agree with the points you made in your post.
No. 1848334
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fucking lmao
>>1848175That's a voice actor not the creator. Speaking of the creator's accounts though, I looked for Natasha's Twitter and it's gone and her Instagram is now private and she's also a she/they kek.
No. 1848360
>>1848334The cast and the author just need to get over themselves. It’s just a dumbass cartoon to watch on Sunday’s while waiting for the Loud House to start, I wouldn’t be surprised if the show were to get compared a lot to that one.
Treating a silly show about a huge family as this political statement that will change the world and how Latin America is viewed by the gringos is just retarded.
Why butcher the language? Why make poor decisions for the nickname of a character that will obviously get misinterpreted in at least a latam country?
Those are things that just shouldn’t have happened, we’re talking about a Disney show, a show made for a huge ass corporation that shouldn’t make any mistake because I’m sure that team has at least more than 11 people working to make it a thing, at least 11 heads should be able to notice how the show feels very like this meme
>>1848171And not like something that people would relate with.
No. 1848365
>>1848334I just don't get why couldn't this be a show set in a latino neighborhood of the US since the creators and VAs are from that culture.
Like, ok you are from the diaspora and that's why the show matters to you, so just make the show in a setting that matches your upbringing and trauma or whatever instead of telling latinos what their culture is
like?
(sage your shit) No. 1848366
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>their sh*thole country
Huh, so much latinx pride
No. 1848388
>>1848365They're supposed to be in México? I thought the neighborhood was set in California
>>1848366Apparently that was supossed to be a sarcastic response to Trump talking shit about LatAm countries, wich explains the hashtag but it feels weird because she didnt even use quotation marks or literally anything to indicate sarcasm
>>1848175This is also annoying as fuck considering how projects depicting different cultures and their language are so criticized for not doing enough research yet something as basic as the spelling of two words doesnt matter because "muh colonizer language" while speaking Englis, what a fucking Joker
Also it's disrespectful to just call it "colonizer" despite all of the differences and slang that LatAm countries developed over time
I also can't believe a company like Disney would allow their employees the freedom to act like toddlers and start shit on social media because people were being mean like wtf i swear they were more restrictive with other shit
No. 1848393
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I know we're here for the salty animation infight but here's a positive story of a actual underdog Diego Molano who made a Latin American animated series. He worked as at a WB Mexican restaurant and became a 31 year old Titmouse intern before pitch Victor and Valentino, it had 3 audience-loved seasons on Cartoon Network.
https://www.animationmagazine.net/2022/10/the-creator-of-victor-and-valentino-reflects-on-the-evolution-of-monte-macabre-exclusive-art/When WB merged with Discovery they pulled all of Victor and Valentino off HBO Max, and there was an uproar.
No. 1848406
>>1848365>>1848388>>1848239The show is set in California. You can see the back of the Hollywood sign in the last few seconds of the theme song vid.
This interview with Natasha Kline was just released (don't know when it was recorded) and she said the following:
- She knows Oye Primos is bad Spanish. It's bad because Tater doesn't speak Spanish.
- Natasha speaks Spanish badly. She couldn't "understand what her grandmother, who mostly spoke Spanish, said all the time." But despite that, they were very close.
- The show is supposed to be set in the 90s and she talked about how bad the smog in LA was back then. So I think the yellow filter is supposed to be smog.
- Her dad is from Tennessee, her mom is second gen Mexican, born in America. Her grandmother is from Mexico City. So, technically, she's not jewish.
- She grew up in someplace called Fontana, California. The neighborhood in the show is supposed to be like the neighborhood she grew up in in Fontana.
I don't understand why she didn't just say 'Oye primos is not grammatically correct because Tater barely speaks Spanish' and made it clear the show was set in California not in Mexico. That would have cut a lot of the criticism off at the knees. Instead she made a two paragraph rant about how bad it was to criticize bad Spanish and then privated everything.
No. 1848480
>>1848160Why is it wrong to say she's Jewish? She's in California, after all. The last name Kline isn't latino at all, it's Dutch-Jewish. There's nothing wrong with stating she's some kind of Jewish-Latinx-Gringo-Valley Girl hybrid.
>>1848021The really funny part to me is the random claiming of being native american. I'm just going to say I don't believe at all she's native american lol. She's probably "Native American" like how most Americans are, which is they have a drop or two of blood and claim the entire indiginous population in America as their ancestors.
No. 1848484
>>1848232>Latinos are underrepresentedI am so sick of Americans thinking they must represent every single group of people under the planet, then doing it very poorly to the point where it's offensive.
Does she think everyone south of the border doesn't have their own television shows and media? What's a telenova? There's so much representation for latinos and real latinos know where to find it.
No. 1848743
>>1848214>And they seem to ignore that Spanish had its roots from Latin, but also from Persian, Portuguese, French and even more because… Spain was also conquered too. So is not a language that came from the evil roots of Latin to delete indigenous languages like they want to show.
Sage for off-topic but this is true of pretty much every language. Why do English speakers eat beef, poultry, and mutton (words with Latin roots) but those foods come from cows, chickens and sheep (Germanic roots)? Because modern English was born when the French-speaking Normans conquered the Old English-speaking Anglo-Saxons, and as the feudal overlords they were the ones who got to eat the meat while the peasants starved. In South Asia, "Urdu" is a Turkic loanword that literally means "military camp," because it was the polyglot language spoken by ordinary people in the orbit of the Moghul conquerors. Knowing this stuff (about any language) should make people more empathetic for the hardships faced by ordinary people throughout history.
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I’ve been kinda following the Primos drama. While some of the critiques are warranted, a lot of them are also fucking retarded and obviously come from terminally online Twitter people. Pic related is an example.
No. 1849093
>>1849011Yeah like
>>1848366 being sarcastic, she quotes Donald Trump’s Make America Great slogan in the hashtags. Some things seem like people reaching, but I do enjoy the woke on woke crime kek. I can’t wait for the inevitable LGBT character in the show to see how it’s portrayed and see how people react to that.
No. 1849146
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>>1849011A lot of the Mexicans on Twitter were saying they just get devastating and gruesome earthquakes. They were really fucking mad about the earthquake part and she must not know anything about any natural disaster south of the border to name it that. Also, "Oye Primos" was proven to be from Google translate, so nothing in this post was actually wrong.
Here's a picture of where "Tater" lives. The more latam learns about this the more outrage there is.
No. 1849150
>>1849146Why is she hanging out in the attic that is filled with Fiberglass insulation everywhere.
Oof that gets me to cringe!!!
No. 1849229
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>>1849146It was probably not the best thing for Disney to depict a child in an unfinished fiberglass attic. I wonder if they'll get in trouble for this?
No. 1849251
>>1848239>>1848480ayrt my bad, i didn't know she was jewish and thought this came from race-obsessed neckbeard types. grade updated to a perfect 10/10
>>1849146lolll i love this, crazy latinx libfems really give you matter to psychoanalyze huh
No. 1849265
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The creator finally responded to some of the backlash. I have no idea why Disney let's this particular creator of this show and her cast off their leashes, but it makes them such funny western animation cows. They respond to almost all the backlash they're getting.
>come on guys, our crew has been told our WHOLE lives WE aRe NoT eNoUgH!!
>latam clowing on us = death threats
>I really did live under a piss colored sky in LA
>I love my haters
>I am literally Tater
>this is my story of my many cousins, such as Nacho and Cuquita, and I lived in a fiberglass attic
No. 1849276
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>>1849265Latino teenagers making dumb memes about them is literally giving them PTSD, kek.
No. 1849308
>>1849265those people can never be happy… why does disney have mediocre shows made by people who piss themselves and crumble apart when their reprezentayshun work is criticized and then post an edgy ~vent comic~ about it like they're 13yo and on tumblr
the incompetence, the narcissism, the immaturity, disgusting, this coddled womanchild deserves to feel all of her unwarranted distress
No. 1849312
>>1849265I understand why the idea of making a self-serving story, and it being seen by the world sounds amazing.
But I don’t know why she couldn’t just create something else. I’m sure that those into arts are immensely creative, why couldn’t she just make a separate character? Why tell her own story? What makes her think that her particular story is relatable enough to others?
This is what I don’t really understand about these movies and cartoons all made based on the childhood of a random literal who artist that decided that they’re so interesting, that they all must tell the world about how mom wouldn’t let her go to a concert or how dad wasn’t around.
Like, yeah, kids relate to those things, but is it really that hard to write the wacky stories of a wacky alligator that goes to school with some kids and has to pretend to be a human? Or the story of a space captain that’s 10 years old and travels the universe in order to find the best cereal that has ever existed?
The sitcom format is definitely very useful as a structure, but I can’t even begin to imagine how tiresome it must be to come back from school and having to watch some annoying child on tv getting bullied or having family issues for 30 minutes.
No. 1849328
>>1849265Tumblr ruined a whole generation of westerner artists and animators.
>This is the story if ME ME ME MEEEJapan keep winning I guess.
(sage your shit) No. 1849333
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>>1849312There’s nothing wrong with making characters or stories inspired by your personal childhood but at least make it interesting. I think most cartoons I grew up with revolved around main character that would get bullied.
It doesn’t help that we generally have an idea of where these people are coming from and we saw how this mentality came to be.
No. 1849343
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>>1848046sage for Super OT, but the creator of this comic is actually an anti-semitic neo-nazi and he looks exactly what you expect him to look like.
No. 1849355
>>1849328if we’re generalizing, japan routinely works their artists to death for peanuts and makes cartoons normalizing pedophilia and incest. don’t be fucking stupid.
>>1849265honestly i hope her show fails just because her art is so repulsive looking
No. 1849361
>>1849343Even a broken clock is right twice a day, just because someone shares a great point the person did doesn't mean they support everything they do.
Sorry for taking it further OT, just fucking tired of every time someone shares a meme or a decent point about a subject someone has to go "UHM BUT THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY A NAZI".
No. 1849395
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>>1849265Back in my day people's self-inserts looked like more beautiful, cooler versions of themselves, not just as repulsive and dumpy. Pic semi-related, I'm sure the hideous designs aren't helping the backlash.
>>1849146Yikes. Imagine having lived like this and sticking it in your show as if it's something to have been proud of.
No. 1849419
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>>1849372>>1849343Its a cliché at this point.
No. 1849431
>>1849343Why does it matter? It's true.
>>1849265Holy shit, that child pic if her looks like that schizo ana unicorn cow
No. 1849481
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kek
No. 1849529
>>1849395>Back in my day people's self-inserts looked like more beautiful, cooler versions of themselvesis this supposed to be a good thing? why female characters always have to be pretty like why are you all so damn pressed about girl characters being ugly
also based on the way you type alone am i wrong if i assume you are a kiwifarms user or perhaps a redditor
No. 1849554
>>1849529Nope, don't use either. But as
>>1849538 said most people don't like looking at ugly caricatures and most people don't like seeing their ethnic group being portrayed as hideous abominations.
No. 1849615
>>1849265>"Traumatising"Clearly not a
POC, she needs to have gotten her ass whipped as a kid like the rest of us, maybe then she'd learn what tRaUmA really is
No. 1849670
>>1849375I get what you mean. A lot of the controversy around this show seems really performative.
>Terremoto heightsThis feels like such a performative thing to be offended by. Yeah, it't technically a bit politically incorrect (in the literal sense) but it's not that offensive to be so angry about.
>CuquitaEven the people posturing being offended about it admit that it doesn't mean vagina in every single hispanic country.
>Reeee racist caricatureEvery time there's an ugly show or drawing made for diversity point and people accuse it of being "a racist caricature" it always feels so silly and sjw tier logic to me. Some styles are just ugly on purpose, I don't see people whining about Clarence or the Thornberries being racist white people caricatures
it's also funny how the concept of "internalized racism/homophobia/misoginy" only starts existing when it's convenient for bandwagoning against mediocre cartoons or comics made by "minorities" kek, not talking about the nonnas here but about e bandwagons in general.
>shithole countriesIf you have any long term memory, it's obvious the shithole country thing is an ironic comment on trumps words. It was weird to not add "" around it, but people are misinterpreting it on purpose so they can be offended.
Some of the controversy is also ironic because it feels like it's basically people from Latin America being offended by a show for pandering to USA latins because… it doesn't represent
them. I get that animation is almost monopolized by the US and Japan, so it can be annoying to grow up constantly seeing american perspectives thrown at you, but it's not US americans fault other countries don't make enough cartoons about themselves.
The show pitch being so focused on race sounds woke, but I don't doubt a bunch of it is her throwing random pandering stuff at the wall to please whatever disconnected suits might be reading it so they'd pick up her show.
A lot of the issues people point in this show to me feel like they should have been the responsibility of someone doing quality control. The earthquake thing is more about political correctness and industry standard than being actually offensive, and It makes sense the creator herself could be unaware of cuquita being slang in some hispanic countries, but disney being an international conglomerate definitely should have had someone from the South America branch tell them to change it.
The voice actress being allowed to run around posting weird sjw tier defenses also points to a very weird lack of disney control.
>>1849498Agree with this. I think it looks kinda ugly, probably mediocre, and the lack of company PR control makes me think even disney doesn't care about the show, but it's really innocuous. Your interpretation of her saying oye primos is something I tought too, and it would be an interesting take on it.
>>1849395Where are the ginger ponytail and brown haired girls from? (I know villanous and el chavo)
No. 1849722
>>1849670>Some of the controversy is also ironic because it feels like it's basically people from Latin America being offended by a show for pandering to USA latins because… it doesn't represent them.>A lot of the issues people point in this show to me feel like they should have been the responsibility of someone doing quality control.Yes but also there's been weird twitter arguments between latinos and diaspora latinos/chicanos (?) about what is and isn't latino for some time already. The whole "mario is making fun of mexicans because of the clothes", the weird speedy gonzalez thing, the last encanto argument, gentrification problems in mexico, the netflix post that got shat on for presenting a bunch of gringos and going "yasssss latinx repppp!!11!!"
And now Disney shitty marketing to grab as many wokepoint as possible instead of ensuring that the show got properly marketed as "representation for latinos born/living the usa"
>even disney doesn't care about the show100%
I also think the main problem it's that people in LatAm don't have a full concept of diaspora or just don't get that anything referring to "latinos" in the USA isn't really about us, wich is why they also use a different definition for what a "latino" is
No. 1849738
>>1849395Most of the characters on the right look like coombait made by pedo scrotes, you can tell this pic was made by some moid (or pickme at most). How is that a good thing?
I get that beanmouth is cancer but there's nothing wrong with characters being "ugly". The designs on the right could definitely be improved, but they don't need to be perfect waifus for pedo moids either. A lot of protagonists in older cartoons weren't exactly pretty but they were still relatable and funny. Most of them were male so of course nobody cared.
>>1849529What this nonna says it's true, there's anons here who automatically hate female character designs that are ugly on purpose, just because they're female and unattractive. It's not surprising, considering what imageboard this is.
>>1849488Both sides in this retarded drama are full of clowns. Everything that could be said about the creators has already been said (I hate privileged liberals who think they can speak for all of us but fail to do even the bare minimum research, too), but cartoon fans are mega autists who seethe at anything, especially the male ones. And Latin American cartoon/anime/video game autists get extra mad whenever a creator makes a mistake, especially if the creator is American. They will never let this go and I believe that the creator got death threats, there's no shortage of petty retards out there.
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>>1847263what's funnier is that she tweeted this today completely out of nowhere. this wasn't prefaced with anything else. actual children handle criticism better than her at this point. she really cannot see past her own self indulgent fujo cooming. lmao
No. 1849766
>>1849670It's because Mexicans are upset that the show is fuck ugly and stars ugly characters even though it's American and based in America, the same way Chinese netizens freak out every time Hollywood casts a conventionally unattractive Chinese person for a movie. They refuse to accept being "represented" by an average or ugly person, despite the average person being not that great looking everywhere.
Look at all the memes of attractive coomer characters, those are what they want to project onto.
>>1849395>>1848171Tbh I feel like this is how almost every country ever thinks, I've only really ever seen Americans/British/Canadian people try to cope with being fat and ugly by being "proud" of it. I'm willing to bet that if the show had a cuter style far less people would be enraged. It's also funny seeing Mexicans cry that they should make a show about obese pink American children going through school shootings because Mexico's obesity rate is high as fuck and they have the highest percentage of obese children in the world. They're desperate to play
victim and cry about representation just like Natasha Kline and American SJWs do, just in a different way. Terminally online people exist worldwide, and they want to make everything about themselves even when they're not the target demographic.
No. 1849795
>>1849775NTA and yeah most of those characters aren't directly coomer, but the meme itself is stupid. "Grr why aren't young girls in children's cartoons attractive!" is a pretty coomer complain to have. I don't see brazilian moids complaining about Monica not being pretty enough.
"her design is like that for a reason" not saying you're wrong but constructing specific scenarios that justify your coombait characters being blatant coombait is a classic moid trick nonna, just sayingI think some anons here might see these characters as coomer bait because they spend too much time on /co/. I could definitely imagine co moids sexualizing the whole upper row of characters and maybe bottom right, sadly.
No. 1849800
>>1849795but the meme is not indicating anything about how attractive or fuckable the characters are. this is reaching. it's obviously pointing out the differences in artistic styles.
off topic but some of you guys have coomer moids living in your heads rent free. you will be hyper critical of any female character with even the slightest hint of sex appeal because it might make some moid somewhere coom from it. newsflash, moids will sexualize a wooden plank. it doesn't matter what the design is. there's a difference between critiquing a female character that is basically half naked, with no personality and exists only to be coombait and being so upset over a pretty character. it's such an annoying american thing to do.
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>>1849738>coombaitDude. Half of those are normal designs for children's shows and the other two are in cartoons for older audiences. I'd seen an image that had some better designs like La Muerte and Xibalba in it too as cool Hispanic designs but I couldn't find it again so I just grabbed a different one. The point isn't that the characters need to be perfect waifus, the point is that the ones on the right are ugly caricatures.
No. 1849819
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>>1849814Anon you can’t defend Mex designers when the majority of the country had coomer tier shows for adults and kids. La hora pico and la escuelita come to mind and everyone watched those as kids and thought it was normal. Our culture is just riddled with weird sexual jokes and lives off making young girls uncomfortable. The ads in Mexico when you go to any public place is all sex shit and porn just to get more customers in and no one bats an eye because it’s funny to moids
picrel “normal” shit you see here
No. 1849820
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>>1849697>>1849738What's next, are you going to say that any design that has a bit of a curve or breasts is created by a scroto pedo?
La próxima vez vaya a decirle coomerbait a su abuela
>>1849800Based nonna
No. 1849822
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>>1849819granted ads like this pop up regularly in the US and UK. Picrel is from 2016 (UK). It's a gym advertisement. There's a ton of English rapey ads from the past 5-10y.
No. 1849834
>>1849819>la hora pico>la escuelita (who tell you tohse shows was for kids too) These shows were broadcast at night, I guess the problem is your parents for letting you watch such things.
Double entendres and albur have always been part of Mexican humor that lately has degraded to being rather unfunny. Also how pathetic of you to believe that every Mexican believes those ads are normal and not just sick jokes. Y no querida esos anuncios tampoco están en cada esquina no se de parte de México seas.
(mamona que no sabe como hacer sage) No. 1849835
>>1849821my argument isn't about who to blame. what i'm saying is that you shouldn't shit on every pretty female character or prevent yourself from liking a pretty female character because some moid will coom from it. i'm not going to place effort into worrying about what moids make/consoom because i have no real control over that and otherwise my worries would never end. because again, moids will coom over anything, even things that don't even have a sex.
all i'm saying is that you shouldn't label a pretty female character as nothing but coombait when you don't even know anything about the character and are just making that judgment purely on looks and just because she's pretty. do coombait only characters exist? absolutely. but not every pretty female character is just coombait.
No. 1849934
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>>1849873>>1849875Well, in the late 90s and 2000s, there were plenty of Western cartoons with appealing art styles. As a kid, I didn't even see a distinction between anime and western cartoons. However, it was around the early 2010s when things changed. The popularity (and let's be honest, low budget) of shows like Adventure Time and later, Steven Universe, changed the entire direction of Western cartoons. Suddenly, we had shows that looked like they crap, but you couldn't complain because it was "muh style". They started inserting their pett, personal issues on everything, and the worst aspect IMO was the focus on lore, which required the characters to act like idiots and never ask question anything, so a backstory that could be explained in one conversation dragged on for 5 seasons.
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Can we have a discussion about the issues of Translation and an ever increasing trend of political insertion by a handful of California liberals within the industry? Before delving into this issue, it is essential to understand the approach taken by older dubs such as 4Kids, these translations had their flaws, but their purpose was to localize the content and provide a cultural equivalent for a very young western audience. Though they may have faltered at times, their reasoning was understandable. On the other hand, modern translations seem to be nothing more than a means for untalented writers to impose their political views on imported Japanese media.
I think the best example of political interference by translators would be Viz Media intentionally changing the gender of a cross-dressing male character into a TIM and making a female character who uses an archaic male pronoun for samurai as a TIF.
https://kotaku.com/one-piece-yamato-kiku-trans-wano-eiichiro-oda-chapter-1849053700https://www.themarysue.com/yamato-gender-identity-in-one-piece/ No. 1849999
>>1849856Isn't Big City Greens the actual best performing show on Disney? I think SoL has appeal to kids (especially the younger ones) because it's just funny characters doing funny high jinks and you can watch any episode in any order and you get the funny random high jinks you want.
I'm more confused by the trend of cartoons starting off pretending to be an episodic random show for at least an entire season before they reveal they actually wanted to be story focused all along except they're still triying to be kinda episodic (bonus points if they get cancelled in the last season so they need to speed run a whole thesis worth of lore and character arcs for the conclusion). I know it's probably the suits forcing the episodic format, but I think as a kid I would be annoyed because I wouldn't know if I could watch the show randomly or not, and if I did like the story I would feel frustrated by episodes that are supposed to be set during an important event but where the characters are just goofing around and ignoring the alien bomb that's going to explode the world and they're supposed to be stopping.
No. 1850175
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Someone just leaked this on 4chan. It's official. Viv fired the entire Hazbin pilot voice actor cast.
No. 1850298
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>those Mexican characters are soooo ugly
Looks accurate to me(racebaiting)
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>>1850432This is what Angel Dust's VA said. From what I understand if Viv had hired him for the show he could've joined the union anyways so it doesn't seem like that was exactly why everyone was recast.
So far there's only three confirmed VAs, Charlie's (Erika Henningsen) and Amir Talai who seems to be voicing either Angel or Alastor. Leslie Kritzer is also confirmed, will likely be Rosie. A few other names floating around but everyone named so far is Broadway.
No. 1850488
>>1849954I really think this could be it's own thread,
nonnie. Anime is just not western animation and even 4kids dubs do not count as western animation, though. It could be posted in the anime thread in /m/, but talking about specifically bad politicized translations or the troonification of manga/anime by the recent influx of TIM "translators" could warrant it's own thread. Maybe make one? I have a lot of content I could contribute.
>>1849999>cartoons starting off pretending to be an episodic random show for at least an entire season before they reveal they actually wanted to be story focused all along except they're still triying to be kinda episodicSomeone in the industry actually explained this. Higher ups want you to play it very safe with the early parts of a series, so the creators go in with very simple premises. If it's successful, they begin to give the creators more slack and they're allowed to have more creative freedom.
No. 1850527
>>1850523Make a translation/translation critique thread then? This is specifically like a cartoon thread and those in western cartoons. Not everyone who’s in western animation or comics has anything to do with anime and a lot don’t even watch it/like it. Almost none of these Californianites even know Japanese, much less a second language. Translation work in manga and video games is also totally different.
Just because there’s overlap doesn’t mean it’s the same thing. Yes, voice actors get work wherever they can. Entertainment industries tend to be centralized in California, Texas, and only a few other states, but translation and what’s wrong with Japanese is it’s own beast. Just make a new thread in /m/.
No. 1850599
>>1849395The uglification of cartoons is not a new thing, but yeah, it's more specifically American. That's why I've always hated Cartoon Network for the ugly shit they've been putting out. From there it has started infecting other networks/animation companies. There is something mentally wrong with Americans with their pushing disgusting caricatures into kids' cartoons. Something this ugly should be forbidden from being targeted at minors. It's the very definition of '
triggering'.
>>1849529So for you there is no middle ground between 'pretty' and 'puke-inducing'? Like, idk, looking normal?
>>1849738>there's nothing wrong with characters being "ugly"There absolutely is. See above.
>>1849816I wonder whether the crap 'Western' animation we often see these days is not a result of that - the artists being exposed to butt-ugly styles when they were growing up? As an inference that floats around the Internet has it, anime styles became more and more absurd and divorced from reality as new otaku animators entered the industry and started to draw in the style they were exposed to as children/teens. The outputs of that vicious cycle looked more absurd and alien with each iteration. The same phenomenon might be occurring in 'Western' animation as well.
(sage your shit) No. 1850664
>>1850599>I wonder whether the crap 'Western' animation we often see these days is not a result of that - the artists being exposed to butt-ugly styles when they were growing up?Not really. The young showrunners of today were exposed to ugly Rugrats and Ren and Stimpy as much as they were beautiful Sailor Moon and Batman the Animated Series. The "bean mouth style" is actually the streamlined animation-friendly version of Rebecca Sugar's personal style, and for some reason it became the norm to work from.
Adventure Time, Flapjack, Chowder, and Regular Show all had wildly different art styles. None of them caught on as the standard.
No. 1850755
>>1850401I'm so lost as to when Deviantart: The Show is even coming out kek. Isn't this only supposed to be like 8 episodes or something? Seems like a weird choice budget wise to go from cheaper non-union yputuber VAs to full
union Broadway talent… Her excuses are full of all kinds of holes kek.
No. 1850977
>>1850175That's pretty shit. While I do know that a lot changes between a show's pilot and series, where things can be kept consistent is best. For example, Adventure Time's pilot featured bpth Finn and Jake. Imagine if by the series start we changed their names, designs and VAs after developing a fandom. It doesn't matter what media you're into, diehard fans
hate different actors playing their beloved character because the actor
is the character.
For someone who relies so heavily on Brandon for HB I thought she'd realise that.
No. 1851005
>>1849670>people from Latin America being offended by a show for pandering to USA latins because… it doesn't represent them. >it's not US americans fault other countries don't make enough cartoons about themselvesAre you mentally retarded? People outside the US make a stink when woke artists create americanized ethnic shit because the entire moral high ground of these cartoons is their claim of representing and including voices and experiences other than those of north americans. What bothers us is the hypocrisy, if these artists owned up to the fact that their woke bullshit is pure american colonialism and that they are making no effort to include foreigners, and straight up said "sorry but it's not US americans fault other countries don't make enough cartoons about themselves!", everyone would shut up.
The entire world has been consooming north american media for like a hundred years now and (other than academic pseuds) never complained about the fact that it uwu centered american experiences. Nobody complains about misrepresentation in anime either, because anime makes no pretense of inclusion.
No. 1851060
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Lol some of the criticism this Primos show is getting is so stupid. They wear cheap sandals!!!
No. 1851293
>>1851005>experiences other than those of north americansThis show didn't claim that, tough? It's about 3rd or 4th generation US hispanics living in California. They're not supposed to be a "non north american" perspective, the diversity points they get is for being non-white and having a cultural identity crisis or whatever (specifically because they are
not "non-north american").
What you're talking about would apply for something like Coco, Encanto, or Victor and Valentino that is actually supposed to be set in Latin America. I have seen people talk about those show in a kinda "muh representation" angle, which is pretty darned weird and white saviour complex as they'd call it, but there's a difference between "representing" a diaspora community from within your own country and "representing" an actual different country
which they feel the need to do because the US takes personal offense at the idea of other countries also having entertainment industries that can make their own content I guess No. 1851364
>>1849265It's all self indulgence PR that is used to shield stories from criticism. Primos is really REALLY (really u gaiz!) based on her real life experiences and can't be critiqued because she really did have those experiences and it's really really reallllll. If it wasn't real then people could push for choices like making a character trans or making the family rich, but because it's based on her REAL life then it's shielded from criticism (like she was an unfortunate looking little girl who barely spoke Spanish so the main character has to be ugly and use bad grammar!)
Similar to the Pixar Elemental PR story that "it's based on my REAL LIFE, I'm actually making an allegory ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE." But the story sucks and the elements living together in a city is a crappy premise, so it doesn't stop people from hating on bad art.
(sage your shit) No. 1851493
>>1851427Same goes for "living crowded".
Makes them sound so disconected. I'm not even 3rd world, but it's very common in my region for poor people to live in even worse conditions than that, with five or six people sharing a room.
No. 1851538
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>>1849775>literally only one of those characters is coombait and that's the pink one top rightThe top middle one is obvious waifubait.
I also wanna point out that whoever made the pic is an absolute retard because the El Chavo girl (Paty) is the designated pretty girl that all the boys are attracted to. Like that's her whole point, of course she's going to be pretty. For copyright reasons, La Chilindrina couldn't be included in that show, but if she was, she would've had a much bigger role than her.
The pic just has an extreme amount of nitpicking, and this nitpicking is very suspicious and looks like a coomer moid did it (also there are, in fact, pretty girls in the cast of Oye Primos). It's even more telling that they chose Paty over La Popis, the other girl in El Chavo Animado, probably because she's not pretty enough kek. And again, it's reinforcing the idea that cartoon girls aren't allowed to be ugly for some reason, while male characters are. There's no reason to get so fucking upset over ugly girls being portrayed in a positive or neutral way in media, unless you're a. a pedocoomer, or b. it
triggers your own body dysmorphia. It's not even that bad, just the typical beanmouth shit. Retarded-ass drama blown out of proportion.
>>1850599>Something this ugly should be forbidden from being targeted at minors. It's the very definition of 'triggering'. Most people who grew up with El Chavo del 8 (the original live action one) love this character despite her being ugly by design. It's not going to traumatize kids to see a mildly ugly character on-screen. Were kids traumatized by the Rugrats being ugly? Were kids traumatized by Ed Edd n Eddy? Were girls traumatized by Helga in Hey Arnold? Fuck off, stop being a fucking baby lmao.
No. 1851545
>>1851544Then your problem is just the beanmouth art style of Oye Primos, which I think we all can agree is pretty bad.
If the designs were the same but the show had a more appealing art style like all those old cartoons, maybe this controversy wouldn't have been so big.
No. 1851581
>>1851545Nta but when I say Primos is ugly, what I really mean to say is that it's simultaneously bland, generic,
and unappealing. There are shows like there with kind of "gross" art styles (EEnE, Rugrats) but those styles were very distinctive and interesting in their own right. You're not going to mistake Klasky Csupo for anything else, and even if you don't like the style itself, you have to respect that it was trying to do its own thing instead of playing it safe. Beanmouth is like if mediocrity spread like a cancer. It's cheap, broadly appealing, and easy to make merchandise of, so a bunch of studios keep retooling it for their own IPs and/or hiring artists who work in that style. It's classic corporate studio nonsense, where everything starts to look the same because suits are terrified of taking risks.
I'd honestly take a show that was intentionally ugly in a novel way over more generic beanmouth shit. That's why I respect that Unicorn Warriors show or whatever it's called. You might not like the style, but it least it doesn't look like everything else. I'd even say the same for Viv's crap– it's written terribly and I generally dislike the character designs, but at least it's not a slice-of-life, coming-of-age story in beanmouth style.
No. 1851585
>>1848046Nazi-can meme strikes again
“mejorar la raza“ indeed
(sage your shit) No. 1851720
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>>1849993>They have decent lore about gems and Homeworld and the diamond leaders, but instead of giving more lore on them, its wasted on the crew's personal issues and Beach City shit with the main lore having to be either rushed, half assed, and/or retconned in the most dumb way.What are you talking about? The 'lore' of Steven Universe turned out to be paper-thin. Its vagueness created an illusion of a deep history, but ultimately it turned out that there was absolutely nothing there, like the Diamonds never encountered intelligent life before Earth, so they never committed genocide.
(sage your shit) No. 1851863
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>Now, speaking to The Hollywood Reporter, Stevenson (a trans-masculine, non-binary author who uses he/him pronouns) has spoken about using the character of Nimona as an outlet for his own battles – and why the upcoming Netflix series will keep hold of the “transness” at the heart of its story.
>“She is a character with a lot of pain and anger at her heart, and that’s why she exists,” he said. “When I made her, I was doing it for my own catharsis.”
>Starring opposite Nimona and the exiled gay knight Lord Boldheart, is the latter’s ex-boyfriend, Lord Ambrosius Goldenloin. The sub-plot of Boldheart’s exile at the hands of a former lover, an event which forces him to question the very society that once championed him, is yet another aspect of the feature that queer viewers of all backgrounds may be able to relate to.
>“It’s about who we really are versus who we think we are, who we are trying to be, and who we say we are,” Stevenson said.
>On the state of the world that Nimona is being released into, Stevenson has said that the story, even to him, has taken on a brand new meaning. While there’s never enough stories about queer acceptance and chosen family, the current global political climate has shown a shift towards a less tolerant way of thinking.
>“I don’t think that any of us expected the state of the world and current events to unfold exactly the way they have,” Stevenson admitted.
>“I think that [Nimona] has always had this transness and gender fluidity at its heart, but there are lines that have new meaning now, even from the first time I heard them recorded.”
>The futuristic fantasy comic about the shapeshifter was published as a graphic novel by HarperCollins and won an Eisner award in 2016.
>Nimona comes to Netflix on 30 June.
No. 1851928
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Noelle's comic about her decision to wear a dress to protest drag ban and also how she totally looks like an attractive man now and not a malnourished woman who looks like she's suffering from withdrawal.
No. 1852010
>>1851981there is something to be said about how the narratives around self discovery used to be road trips, starting a band, making friends and that kind of thing. whereas now it's being alone in your room scrolling and online shopping.
dressed up in super cute art though!
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>>1852021The Brothers Grunt?
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>>1851928Something I noticed with all TIFs, is they always come back to a dress as a form of rebellion. They're trying to make some statement like they're still so manly, even if they wear a dress.
It comes off more desperate, like they start to learn mens clothing is really drab and not fun, just like moids themselves. They retrospectively gain appreciation for womens fashion, but by then the T has taken ahold of them so they have gross body hair and bad hairlines, along with gross scars for breasts. It's just like OP's pic.
>>1810463Look at how truly happy and healthy she was before, just being a lesbian.
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>>1851928This is literally every normal person on this planet, but if course since Noelle is a super special NLOG she has to write vacuous comics to show that this is a very deep part of transitioning and nobody else but troons do it.
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>>1849934Its see a little more complicated then that. basically the early 2010’s saw a shift in media priorities, cartoons with a focus on action and or serialized story telling were slowly purged from networks because they weren’t seen as commercially viable anymore to a new generation of kids more interested in the internet. The very last generation of kids to grow up on scheduled tv had just aged out of the target demographic market, so their viewership didn’t count. Among those shows lost in this media purge, included Symbionic Titan, Teen Titans, Thundercats 2011, Tron Uprising, and DC’s Young Justice. At this point most kids don't really care about Cartoon Network or Nick or Disney proper in the age of streaming and youtube kids. most major cartoon networks just flood their channel’s airtime with the cheapest cartoons they have and call it a day.
No. 1852343
>>1852164Yes! When I saw the video I tought it was a distorted meme edit because of how cheap it looks. That's probably the worst frame in the whole thing.
On the rest of the video I tought the animation was decent, but the writting feels cringy and outdated at points. "This is the part where you run" is the type of corny line marvel get made fun of, and the moment from the thumbnail feels cringy too
have people even used the word "metal" to describe things in the last 10 years? and looks even uglier in motion (you can see the shape of her teeth morph while they're visible?? I don't care if she's a shapeshifter, that's fugly and looks like a cheap animation error)
No. 1852423
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>>1852374This is literally just a furry OC design, I can understand and may even forgive some of her fujo tendencies but I draw the line at furry shit.
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>>1852374I've never seen someone preemptively cope so hard before a release. telling your audience how to approach something or feel about it when you make nothing but self indulgent shit is so arrogant. "be mindful of expectations" comes across as condescending. all excuses to not have to explain why this episode had such a shit story. she can't even remotely hide that she's incapable of handling any criticism.
and what's funny is that an episode like this could have worked if it had centered around loona and building her character. maybe helping her get over her inferiority complex. maybe have loona start as insecure of the kesha character but warms up to her as a friend. (also the kesha character had no point. it was a character created just to have kesha and her lines with all the cursing were cringe.)
but no, can't make time to give any of the female characters development. viv just had to shoehorn in blitz to tell us again how quirky and uwu gay he is and totally cool guise!!! what an unsufferable character.
No. 1852536
>>1852374Honestly the episode is very inoffensive compared to the agony that is s2. For someone who (I'm assuming) has done no VA work kesha did fine. Seeing the way Luna was in this episode just rubbed in how absolutely flanderised she is in s2. She went from misunderstood awkward teenager to dgaf asshole so quickly.
Partially convinced this episode is incomplete because s2 has no lead in. No 'closure' on Ozzie's or even a reason why they pretended everything was fine. If you're going to have a series finale, it needs to have an emotional end that feels tense. This took what Ozzie's did and finished it on a uni party with a dash of "Blitzo is miserable". This show isn't episodic so it can't try the 'return to status quo' route between finales and openings. Might not be the best episode but it's basically peak fiction compared to the recent Moxxie episode.
No. 1852637
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>>1852374I know I'm nitpicking over CREDITS but I'd be annoyed if this was my name.
No. 1852701
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>>1852442This is Beelzebub? Wtf, I just thought it was a reskin of her stupid furry oc. It even matches the die young video.
No. 1852865
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>>1852374Okay so, previous episodes established Stolas fucking an Imp was seen as scandalous and taboo, but no one seems to have an issue with Vortex(hellhound who are supposed to be in a lower social caste then even imps) dating one of the rulers of Hell.
No. 1852884
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>>1852701This character is the most over-designed sparkledog ever put to animation, completely insane how these disparate elements made it into this show.
So let me get this straight:
This is the Queen of Gluttony, "Bee" AKA Beelzebub.
She's a canine of some kind, maybe a red fox, and has four arms, pink transparent wings, hot pink and teal hair bangs with a mini black crown, and has a lava lamp-like honey glob mane and tail - and the honey inside is also pink and teal. She's got exaggerated antenna on top of her huge hot pink striped fox ears and two long single under-eye lashes.
OH and her whole color scheme and body changes when she's in her bee-form, which is much more orange/yellow/red and she gets insect eyes.
The queen-dog-fox-bee-ruler is also singing about cotton candy and giving away cotton candy at her beehive party. What does cotton candy have to do with bees or gluttony? Bees don't make cotton candy, canines are not known for interests in cotton candy, so really the only association is her hair is pink/teal like cotton candy. Mostly people think of cotton candy as junk food, as it has no nutritional value so is that why it's associated for gluttony? Basically "cotton candy is pointless." Just like this show.
No. 1852968
>>1852374Petty nitpick but does anyone else laugh at how basic bitch the music in this show is with all the vapid pop music? I'm just really surprised how there doesn't seem to be any rock or metal in this show considering the shows aesthetic. which seems edgy inspired and you'd think there would be some electric guitar involved in it.
On one hand maybe Viv just wanted to subvert that expectation by having music that you wouldn't expect in a show like this and I supposed that's kinda endearing. But on the other hand I'll admit that I'm a rock fan and not all about this club pop music (it's okay in moderation lol).
Anyway it's a small nitpick that isn't that important. It's just something in the back of my head when I'm watching this stuff and music is featured.
The episode itself, waste of Loona's character. It had promise where it was clear that Loona has self-confidence issues and this would've been a good opportunity to have her work on it by trying to be a bit more social and possibly make one or two new friends besides Tex. i mean it feels like she did with those scruffy hell-hounds but still having Blitzo shoehorned in was so obnoxious and took away from what should've been a full Loona episode. Like what is it with Viv and her female characters? Why can't she commit to giving them a proper flesh out? And now it feels too late considering how Loona is being portrayed in season 2.
No. 1852971
>>1852902Believe me anon, I feel the same. I know a lot of anons have a hate-fist for this show and I can understand but part of me still finds it endearing because of how the show is somewhat DIY, it's kinda inspiring.
But there's no denying that Viv sucks at writing her female characters and it doesn't make any sense. She could be writing into them things she has experienced as a woman but no she has to put all the focus on Blitzo, Stolas, and Moxxie while shoving Millie, Loona, and Octavia to the side and it's so aggravating. How many of Blitzo's "i'm so lonely" spheal do we have to sit through? We get it, can we focus on someone else now for awhile?
It's just a shame because the world of Helluva Boss has creative and fun potential.
No. 1853015
>>1852865That's what I thought too! Like everyone was shitting on Stolas in that one restaurant episode because they find out he's sleeping with an imp (and it's the thing driving the main villain too) and that's apparently shameful, but Beelzebub is dating a hellhound (considered low class since they serve imps too, Vortex is the hellhound of a succubus) but that's fine? And she has imps at her party and worries about them? Kek you can tell Viv just wanted her to be good because she's voiced by her idol. It doesn't make sense that a ruler of hell is actually a genuinely good person because it's been established at the beginning of the show that everyone is a fucking asshole, and it's also a big plot point in Hazbin.
Also everything in this episode felt wasted. Beelzebub got introduced but she spends way too much time singing about cotton candy and then her lines are all shallow and full of curse words. She's just there, she doesn't do anything important in the episode despite being a major character. Loona is also kinda there, she's insecure at the beginning, then she has fun, then it's about fucking Blitzo again. Even Beelzebub is worried about the poor gay boy Blitzo and his "vibe" when she shouldn't give a fuck. And what did this episode clear up? Nothing, we already knew Blitzo was sad, we knew Loona was insecure, we knew she secretly cared for Blitzo. This episode just badly introduced a new character that will most likely not return.
No. 1853020
>>1852972>Basic Tumblr kidOh yeah, you're right anon kek. But it's weird because I'm a year older than Viv and during our high school years, genres like nu metal, Nickelback, and pop punk mislabled as "emo" was popular and while dance pop and edm was popular in the late 2000s, I'm just surprised that she hasn't thrown any of the former in the show as I assumed she probably was into that stuff as well lol.
>all the rings feel the same to meAgreed, generic pop music and all. Differing the music could help with that to make them feel individual and distinct from one another.
>>1852981Lol right but I do think that having differing music could help make the rings feel different instead of blend together.
No. 1853112
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The queen of taking criticism, would bet this is in response to a redesign being one of the top results when you search "Beelzebub"
No. 1853213
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>>1853194This was first until just recently, I'll post the next one that's at the top now
No. 1853214
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I know the current thing is the new furry design but I found this
No. 1853215
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>>1853213And here's the new one at the top
No. 1853246
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>>1853230KEK like yeah its on brand but damn this design really is stupid. I can see why they’re mad.
No. 1853254
>>1853246it really does look like sparkledog #4772893 kek
how do you even get "bee" from this at all?
>>1853215honestly I'm a fan of this one
No. 1853336
>>1853214Isn’t Erin Frost the character designer that got pissed over Vivienne “detransitioning” one of her trans imp designs by changing its horn colors
>>1853215This is cool but idk if I could picture it in motion singing a Kesha song
No. 1853344
>>1853320>So is the issue that Kesha was contractually obligated to write music for a certain label, and that contributing music to the cartoon violated that? Why the hell would she write the song, record it, and have it set to animation before realizing she was breaking her contract? Doesn't make sense to me. I’m confused by this too. IIRC she has to finish out her contract at her label (she was trying to leave it early) and as a result of the Dr Luke legal battle she was forbidden from doing anything outside of the amount of albums she had to fulfill due to her contract so either her team fed Viv’s wrong info, they thought they found a loophole, or they had given her the green light and then something changed shortly after recording. I might be getting some of this wrong, the Dr Luke/Kesha thing is its own rabbit hole. A proper timeline would be helpful here.
>Also just voicing the character in a non-singing capacity probably would have been fine, so why was all of the voiceover replaced?It wasn’t, she’s still credited for the spoken lines, just not the song
>And why does she want her involvement with the show swept under the rug entirely? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but this doesn't add up imo.Maybe because of the timing of the release? Right after she settled the suit out of court? Or to draw attention away from the fact that someone involved fucked up and the fact that she recorded a version of the song in the first place could be damaging to her legally?
No. 1853347
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>>1853246>>1853213>>1852884>>1852423Everyone saying this is a bad design needs to understand that "overdesign" and "sparkle dog" defines her style. A lot of people complain about how her hell is "California but red", but we should all be really grateful she's stuck with red/black/white color schemes a lot in hell. When she has access to neon colors she does terrible designs. Just look at her old artwork.
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>>1853214I remember Vivz said people were complaining the bulge wasn't more prominent so she made it bigger. Trannies and chasers don't know what they want.
Also I hate that character because it's yet another male character that take attention away from Millie. People couldn't stop focusing on the fact she has a trans sibling when it was supposed to be about her backstory. The episode "she" shows up in has.
>Striker, a male fan favorite>this tranny>Moxxie overshadowing her as always>obligatory Blitzo AND StolasThen they finish that episode up by putting her in a bear trap.
No. 1853362
>>1853112Does she ever get tired of seething? She has to learn to be more humble if she wants to keep whatever fandom she has left so she can continue with her show, and she REALLY needs to understand that she promised the show to be one thing in season 1 just to deliver something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT in season 2 so of course her watchers are confused and frustrated.
But that would require her to put her giant ego on the shelf and reflect for five minutes.
No. 1853404
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>>1853105They were very cheesy imo, she still put a lot of attention on some male characters (her darlings obviously) and had some gay pairings. The female characters often felt like self-inserts and 2 dimentional. She had a lot of scene wolf female characters and at some point she got in trouble for drawing what seemed some borderline bestiality (gay) and… this but yeah, it was all shit just like now, except now everything has to be gayer.
No. 1853405
>>1853404>>1853105Samefag, animations like these didn't feel fujo-y at all, but maybe it's because they were thesis films and she had to contain herself idk.
I think it's funny how her autistic obsession with partying and owls goes way back kek.
No. 1853410
>>1853404>in her sick pedo way XDWhy is it that tumblr fujo creators, a very niche group of people, always out themselves as shotacons or pedophiles? This reminds me of how Omocat, more a western game dev cow/former tumblr comic cow, just made a whole damn comic about shotas and sold "SHOTA" shirts in her early webstore.
I think the creator of Twelve Forever was also not just a shotacon, but an open female pedophile. They apparently just recently took down Twelve Forever merchandise from an official webstore. It's like people are so slow to catching on with these creators.
No. 1853417
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The absolute cope from Vivzie stans! Like, do they really think Viv has ever heard of the Divine Comedy, let alone would reference something from it?
No. 1853428
>>1853410I don't think she's a shotacon or a pedophile, iirc she was underage herself when she drew these. My point was that she has shit taste and is still stuck with cringy/edgy early internet "humor" and cheap Tumblr ship dynamics. She refuses to write well and prefers these 2D character archetypes (both male and female) because they're good for fanfiction and shipping but not for an actual show, and she just doesn't take criticism so she doesn't improve. She also seems to be following trends to attract the average twitterfag/ex Tumblr user hence the shift from trashy YA straight ships to faggot humor and gay boys.
I imagine she's seething over her Hazbin mess being rewritten into a hopefully good show.
No. 1853466
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>>1853425It’s real, someone on /co/ linked the court records during the pedo callout. I can’t find that link now but I found this one, I think it’s the same suit.
https://trellis.law/case/19smcv00330/cartel-entertainment-llc-et-al-vs-puny-entertainment-llc-et-al No. 1853478
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>>1853466Same anon, here’s a screencap confirming it’s the correct case number: 19SMCV00330
No. 1853623
>>1853476>>1853472Are we talking about Omocat? Pretty Boy was about a shota and her game Omori was about almost entirely shotas. It's been a long obsession for her.
>moralfagWhat the fuck? So it's okay these people are open shotacons and makes shota shirts? If they were men and open lolicons you'd be upset. You have fujo brainrot.
>>1853452I think it's just a Hollywood/LA thing. I noticed this in western animation circles with men and women. They all have dirt on one another.
No. 1853644
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>>1853425>>1853423I don't know if this has been posted before, but this is from Julia Vickerman's old tumblr. Like all pedophiles, she fixates on a certain age range. Hers seems to be 12 for herself and 14 for boys.
It's probably not shocking someone making a show called "Twelve Forever" might be a little too obsessed with preteens. The whole show is about not wanting to grow up and the main villain is "The Butt Witch" a play on "Butt itch" from growing pubic hair during puberty.
No. 1853815
>>1853644Is she still working in the animation industry , specifically is she still working on kids shows ?
If she is , I'm a bit annoyed since people have been blacklisted for far less disturbing crap.
No. 1853848
>>1853640my experience with film animation is there's a ton of really conservative religious men working there who don't have socials
there's normies they are usually just staying quiet/living their life
No. 1853909
>>1853816Same
>>1853848You’re correct. Adult men/women with families, houses and right leaning politics. I may not agree with them but they’re smart to keep that shit off of social media at least
No. 1853947
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>>1853909>>1853816>I still believe this wasn't her finding the boy attractive in a pedophilic sense>I will die on this hill.I'm so sick of these obvious animation industry people lurking these threads, going to bat for their creepy friends. Specifically Vivziepop, Vickerman and Noelle. There's plenty of evidence they all have severe issues.
How is congratulating child molesters not pedophile behavior? How is dancing with someone's little boy and saying she wants to date them okay? Why are you supporting someone that uses language like she's having an "underage magical week"? Do you like defending someone that calls children hot? Fuck off.
No. 1856565
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>>1816699I never watched Martin mystery as a kid because I thought it was too scary.
Brb I’ll watch it for the hot guy with monsters and weird stuff.
And yeah only the weird kids aka horny boys who see women as wank material only see what they wanna see. Albeit yeah the writers could’ve been disgusting fetish writers themselves with the questionable choices of clothing and what’s going on sometimes.
But it’s complete bullshit guys trying to ruin a girly cartoon by calling it “fetish fuel”. If men get kidnapped multiple times, tied and has a cloth on his mouth “normal” action/spy genre. If it happens to a woman “omg it’s my fetish, that’s hot” ridiculous.
Stop trying to ruin girls cartoon it’s not for you weirdos never was. Maybe those few “fetishes” was like 10% of the shows. Episodes like “Forward to the past” “beauty is skin deep” or “another evil boyfriend” and 90% of the show had no fetish. Males are just being disgusting males.
>>1820568And I blame basement dwelling guys like saberfart who think like this.