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No. 187297
The Hartley Hooligans are a pair of sisters, Claire and Lola Hartley, born with microcephaly, cerebral palsy, dwarfism, epilepsy, and tons of other conditions. This basically means they are ultra retarded, can't walk, talk, or even move their tiny limbs in any useful way. Their appearance is somewhere between human and weird space alien.
The sisters are semi-famous due to Gwen, their mother. She loves dressing them up in goofy outfits, discussing and analyzing their every minor facial movement, sound, and bodily function. She even had the second baby despite that the girl would be staggeringly messed up. Their home state spends millions of dollars on a parade of therapists and special equipment that have had no noticeable impact on their potato lives.
So anons, do you think retards should be not only allowed to live and leech millions of tax dollars, but also to be praised for shitting themselves, making ugly faces, and not dying? Is the mom wrong to parade them around for internet likes or is she doing a public service by giving the world so much material for funny memes?
No. 187333
>>187297Its one thing to have a kid with downs or autism or cerebral palsy or any number of disabilities where they are compromised but otherwise capable of living pretty human lives.
this is just…something else entirely and makes me pretty sad. I especially don't like the mother parading them around in little costumes and making exhibitions out of them.
They're surprisingly old but I don't really think they have much longer to live, so that will be quite the shit storm.
No. 187346
>>187309Oh wow I didn't realise it had been active.
The way the mum parades these kids around is vaguely sickening. She's made these kids a spectacle so she can get asspats for deliberately not aborting some babies who aren't even capable of self awareness.
Once nature finally overtakes medicine and the goblins are allowed to die the mothers gonna lose her shit. I see divorce, a stint in a psych ward, and losing custody of her son within three months of the longest lasting girls death.
No. 187423
>>187411I wonder if she ever feels guilty about making such a selfish choice.
Maybe that's why she parades the poor little fuckers around dressed up and crows about all the progress she imagines they're making. Its as much about deluding herself as it is smearing her kids on any screen she can for attention.
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I wonder what his childhood was like…
No. 188016
>>187411>…ASNS typically involves cerebral atrophy and that it is progressive. That scares the fuck out of me. While I know the girls' prognoses have always been grim, I have become the queen of pushing it out of my mind – sometimes many times a day – because I am unable to process this harsh reality without it completely shattering me on a soul-level. I want to believe my girls are an exception to this rule because their heads are growing still & their development is progressing. Surely this cannot be a sign of atrophy or degeneration. I will hold out hope that they are setting a new standard for this diagnosis…On one hand, she's finally being open about it. On the other hand, her bullshit about them "developing" is just that, bullshit. Their brains are atrophying as we speak. Oh and this spokesperson for microcephaly stuff is ridiculous given the circumstances.
>they both continued to progress developmentally!>I got to hear Lola tell me ALL ABOUT why she DID NOT want to leave her BFF's & the game! MY GIRL COMMUNICATED WITH ME!Also, ffs:
>homeopathic allergy remedies>allergy-busting Young Living essential oils>chiropractor/applied kinesiologist No. 188018
>>188016yeah no they are not going to live past 30 tops.
if they have ever had a memory capacity or ability to perceive things, its just going to worsen and all that "development" will be out the window.
The brain can adapt to many strange circumstances, but this isn't really one of them.
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This is the data pool. It's really that small, and now researchers can add these two goblins to it. They literally have no future.
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No. 188544
>>188541kek
nah anon i agree with you
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I think if a pair of seagulls swapped with that family as their caregivers it'd make no difference to them!
I also believe the girls have little to no awareness of each other, far from Gwen's "sibling rivalry" "westside dwarves" BULLSHIT….I think their poor atrophied rotted brains CANT FORM MEMORIES OR OPINIONS!
The older they get its very clear to everyone except GWen they are rapidly deteriorating.
Especially Lola who was clearly at birth more affected than CLaire.
God I just wish they'd die yesterday!
Poor mites.?
No. 188898
I was amazed how similar this woman's story was to the Hooligans. Except this mother thought of her children's quality of life & is not a exploitative monster:
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a32064837TDLR: Had two girls diagnosed with microcephaly with simplified gyral pattern. First wasn't diagnosed until after birth and has lived at least 10 years. 2nd was was diagnosed while still pregnant & they aborted. Also have 2 healthy children.
I thought it was in informative read & may give a deeper insight to this Hooligan situation.
No. 189902
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this woman takes pictures and adds silly captions to her daughter being in severe pain from having her tiny arm poked with a needle
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and poor lola had several veins blow…
i think it's safe to say they do indeed feel pain and fear
No. 190206
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>>190192And yet she persists in sending these lies in a letter to her Dr each year. Walking… pfft.
No. 190228
>>190220She says she's pissed that he told them Claire would probably die within a year, but ignores that nearly
every other baby with these conditions dies quickly. It would have been aggressively unethical for him to tell everyone with a baby with this many disabilities anything else.
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No. 190235
>>188768"Westside dwarves"
>>188918This thread has given me a much needed laugh.
No. 190269
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Growing strong!
Healthiest I know!
So clever!
They love rap and wedding shows….
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They don't have anything to measure the atrophy against.
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>>190436Lola in that pot.
"They're not even sure if it is a baby". No. 190486
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Claire lost the ability to eat (this post is more than a year and a half old). And just as I thought, Lola gets tube fed as well. I guess hers gets pulled in and out.
No. 190526
>>190524there's this video where she's trying to roll over, like the first move a baby makes, 4-5 months old I'm guessing? and she does look around a little. but when you watch the 'walking' and 'crawling' pt sessions, she's not doing anything. she's has a young baby's level of sentience maybe? but then it's less, because even a young baby is quite interactive.
but also her brain is atrophying and getting more damaged each day, and she can't feed.
No. 190528
>>190524>>190526Watching the full "bubbles" video, Lola looks like she's having a reflex reaction to the sensation of the bubbles (or maybe she's having seizures?). When dad kisses her on the cheek she looks to have a seizure then for sure. Lola never appears to get used to the water or anything happening around her. She fails to notice Claire it seems.
Claire seems different, she does seem to have a sense of the people interacting with her and some desire to move her limbs. On what level, who knows? Does she recognise them as her parents?
I wonder who pooped in the spa after the shot ended…
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This is the single most disturbing and proof of abuse I've seen so far!!
The parenting equivilant of keeping your head permanently in the sand!!
That and then switch to all the zika interviews and letters to doctors about her thriving, normal girls with cheeky personality's….
I'm fucking speechless
This woman needs to be at least paid a visit by child services and mental health professionals!!
PS. On fb and YouTube 97% of comments under her microcephaly is fun you guyz interviews people say everything we are saying here!!
No. 190596
>>190537Claire might have something going on in there. In her various videos both in therapy and in the water she does try to move her legs, which isn't much but something. Gwen herself has said that she thinks the BSRs intellects to be around that of a 6-18 month old.
Even the video where Claire farts does seem like she might use her explosive ass to get a point across. On the other hand there's no proof at all that she ever recognizes anything other than pain.
No. 190652
>>190649oh my god anon, this is so unsettling.
creeping!!!! could she not just call it crawling or something.
it's even more disturbing seeing one this old. freaks me out, man.
No. 190662
>>190649I can't..I just can't.
I do feel more sympathy for them than the Hartley's to be honest. This child was born in 1980 so the pre-natal diagnostics weren't as good as they are today. And she didn't go and had another one of those. I really feel for people who end up with a child this fucked up. But I will never understand the need to broadcast your misery.
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That gilker woman is knowledgable but the same as Gwen and other crazy sped moms!
This thing is 24, wears diapers, non verbal,non mobile and horribly-as you can see disfigured!
Mom is all over her, constantly publishing very even for her unflattering undignified pics and telling people her daughter is such a normal sassy twenty something who's got a gtube and shits in her diaper….see a pattern with these moms
No. 190727
>>190578It's interesting how she colonises all these "awareness events / days": microcephaly awareness, dwarfism awareness, feeding tube awareness and so on. These goblins have a very specific condition and I realise it's only been diagnosed a minute ago, but things like microcephaly are just inclusions in that condition. She surely has realised that even when she didn't know the condition's name.
Her selling the wonders of microcephaly is the most disturbing to me. I guess she has to suffer, and subconsciously she'd like others to suffer too. Someone is going to keep a child alive despite everyone's best interest becuase of what she's currently saying in the media. If Claire could really operate that touch screen, I bet she would tap out "kill me".
No. 190729
>>190578sage for samefagging but:
how can she say the girl's heads / brains are "growing" if she never had them measured? also, Lola seizes constantly, how could you not get an EEG under those circumstances? she's been alive and seizing constantly for ten years.
No. 190738
>>190649this disturbs me more than the hartley kids… at least the potatos just sit there and do nothing… the way this girl moves doesn't even look human
she's like a fucking cryptid
No. 190751
>>190667>Gwen herself has said that she thinks the BSRs intellects to be around that of a 6-18 month old. She lies a
lot. I tend to think Claire is in the 0-6 month range myself, plus she has lost the ability to eat, which is telling that she's regressing. Lola's basically a plant. Sage for further samefagging.
No. 190759
>>190751When you see a video of that disgusting little gremlin Lola "eating" you can't help but wonder why they don't get her a feeding tube too.
It's weird, because when you look at earlier footage of Claire and then later, it really does look like she's progressing, at least in the sense that she's literally becoming more aware and capable. Perhaps it is possible that her brain isn't atrophying, or that it's. It doing so at a particularly fast rate.
Of course, hard to tell for sure when the mom doesn't get them the fucking tests. Seriously, what an asinine lunatic. If she thinks the girls are showing improvement, who cares what an x-ray says? And if the c-rays gave her good news, then she can brag about it. Kinda weird to call someone who slaves over two potatoes all day selfish, but it certainly applies to her.
No. 190845
>>190649>>190656People judging her on this are shit.
>"I have been caring for my profoundly handicapped daughter, Bree, for almost 34 ½ years now. Some people say it’s not Post Traumatic Stress disorder (PTSD) that I’m experiencing. Others tell me that, because I’m her mother it’s not a job, but my responsibility to take care of her.
>As I look back in retrospect on these years, I am amazed that I am even still on this planet and the only reason I am here is because of my beautiful little daughter.
>My daughter fought to be hereShe was two weeks overdue, and she was literally dying inside of me. The embolic fluid had turned green, she was totally wrapped up in the embolic cord and the Placenta was turning to calcium. Then when the C-Section was performed, it took her 20 minutes to breathe on her own.
>Within 2 months, we were told that our daughter had a syndrome call 4 P- or Wolfs-Hirschhorn Syndrome. It was not genetic, as both Walter and I were tested. It was just what it was." No. 190888
>>190759Lola the gremlin has definitely been tube-fed before
>>190486. It's through her nose so I wonder if they take it in or out, or if she's just feeding by mouth these days?
No. 190973
>>190649i understand loving your child and not wanting to let go of someone special, someone you brought into this world…
but this just seems like torture for them both.
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Wonder what the yards will have forced onto them for Halloween this year??
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Piss pants funny!!
Head command?!
Lights?!
Nope! There's noons in either girl!
Never has been!
Maybe AHS "pretty girls" this year?
No. 191018
>>190066Whereas it's actually "Kill me now you demented bitch."
>>190206I bet Dr Dobyns just screams with delight when he sees her letters arrive.
>>190229NO YOU BITCH YOU HEARD HER CLAIRE'S A PERFECT SPECIMEN
>>190379>changing people's whole perspective on life & loveSure, Jan. Whatever lets you sleep at night.
>>190744Brutal.
No. 191061
>>190975inb4 edgy..
i want to kill it. idk what it is, esp this picture. just wanna crush it until it dies. that would be more merciful than what gwen is doing to them so i dont feel too bad
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Holy shit! Lola's gone from ugly goblin to legit QT
No. 191113
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Claire and Lola Halloween 2016
I'm disappointed tbh
No. 191115
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This is about as cute as Claire can possible get. They probably had to shoot hundreds of pics to get her looking this good.
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>>191116Cmon dude look at her Claire could teach nuclear physics at Yale she's a genius
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Good lord. The taters look even more miserable than usual. I think Gwen enjoys humiliating them.
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>>191185Yep, they look like they're in hell, even the dogs look depressed.
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Saddest desperate genetically fucked
Pathetic… And if claire and Lola are an absolute dictionary definition of ASNS(rotting diesed brain useless spastics)???
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This is from Halloween 3 years ago where Gwen almost lost her shit on a 9 year old kid for saying Lola And Claire look like they're dying.
No. 191325
I'll never get over the time she dressed Claire like a chef and Lola like lobster. Lola was still recovering from chicken pox that almost killed her - she still had active sores all over her body but that didn't stop Gwen from dressing her up and cramming her into a stock pot. Lola straight up looked like a corpse that someone had dug up and dressed for Halloween.
On my phone and can't post the pics but here's a look at them in the previous thread:
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>>190845Sage for non-Hooligan but how come her daughter looks so severely worse than pic attached?
No. 191456
>>191230Why is she so unaware that other people might not have been exposed to such deformed bodies before? She expects everyone to see them and treat them just like any other kid when in reality, I'm sure a lot of people feel awkward around them.
I agree with the kid, they literally are dying. What a scary sight to see two underdeveloped children with their skin hanging off their bones, their limbs twisted in unnatural ways, their eyes practically rolling in the backs of their heads and their faces twisted into expressions of pain. That would terrify me as a child.
What an inconsiderate bitch.
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Just in
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:(
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>>191501That's certainly as good of an explanation as any. Here's Claire last Halloween, looking much less miserable.
No. 191533
>>191529I hope he had another costume and wore it to go to whatever fun party his friends were doing.
Who am I kidding, Gwen probably made him stay home to take more pictures with the tots that she won't post because they look awful on them.
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No. 191584
>>191577She can post about them in a way that accurately represents who they are while maintaining a piece of human dignity. There are other Facebook pages for severely fucked up kids that don't even approach the batshit insane delusions and casual bodily fluid talk of the Hooligans.
Personally, I think they should have put a DNR on the girls and let them peacefully die early on, but what they do looks like legal torture.
No. 191587
>>191477>>191480The kid may have actually seen some shit. I was about 8 and 11 when two of my grandparents passed away. We had to go into the hospices and say our goodbyes. Of course, sprinkle on some of that dramatic flair Gwen has, and it's even more exaggerated. I don't think it's too far of a stretch for a 9-10-year-old to know what it looks like.
>>191584This. I don't think Gwenners lives in the "real world". It's ironic how she's so holistic about treating the girls, but if the time came to resuscitate them, she would likely have it done.
No. 191611
>>191477I think humans instinctually know what death looks like, or he's seen movies or read books, or has seen photos of holocaust victims.
Poor kid probably thought these were normal little girls that the mother was starving to death.
No. 191669
>>191666I wouldn't doubt it. In one of the photos the only one beaming from ear to ear is the mother while everyone else looks like they're forcing themselves to fake it.
I can only imagine how awful it has to be to grow up being outshadowed by not one but two siblings that take up 99.9% of your parents time and the rare times you do get your parents attention, you're forced to have Claire and Lola tag along.
I mean for fucks sakes, he doesn't even have a hobby for himself. His mother has forced those little creatures into even that aspect of his life. If the parents want to devote their lives to Claire and Lola that's one thing but it's just cruel to force their son to throw away his childhood to do the same.
No. 191702
>>191230>WHO SAYS THAT SHIT?! HOW DARE HIM.>ONE INNOCENT COMMENTI think she's lying just on account of all the contradictions she makes about her emotions, like she has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. What does she expect from a nine year old who has never seen deformed, wall-eyed dwarves before? When I was nine I distinctly remember feeling uncomfortable being around severely deformed children and adults who had obvious problems, but even I had never seen anything like the Hooligan girls.
Sounds like she just needed a story to remind everyone, and maybe even convince herself, that she loves her little abominations.
>>191215They do look like they're dying here.
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Imagine going to the grocery store and seeing this fucking thing
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What's really worse, being one of these things or having to take care of one?
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>>191823Yeah, maybe we're a little too hard on the parents. Imagine 15 years of having to clear up the puke, piss and shit of those two hideous goblins…
No. 191877
>>191854>>191527they can't express emotion. she deliberately catches the smile-looking expressions but they are just expressions. watch a video of Lola and she has some charcteristic moves, head goes left and right, siezing and so on. the 'smiles' are just transient moments of mving their faces. she's filtering a LOT.
that said, I back-reaf the whole blog last night (it's short) and I feel a bit sadder for them now. she's trapped in this position and it's too late, and she really does love them as her children - selfishly though, denying them painkillers and so on because she thinks raw foods and essential oils will be better. imagine the misery of Lola's chicken pox without pain relief or, it looks like, and relief for her itching. they go to the dentist without pain relief. Claire has dislocated hips.
No. 191918
>>191877>>191880Part of me wonders if this crazy bitch is onto something re: not giving the sisters any actual medicine. Of course, it's torture for the girls, but seeing as neither should have made it to their third birthday, it could actually help.
Essential oils, chiropractors, all that shit? Superstition.
And it's crazy that she hasn't had their brains scanned. As was noted before, now they don't even have a point of comparison, so if the brains are changing in size, they won't know how much and how quickly.
No. 191944
>>191918Claire had scans early on, was assessed as pretty much cortically blind and at the level of a newborn. But Lola, who is noticeably worse, never got the privilege of a brain scan.
I'm with you, I think she's kept them alive by her own means. They constantly feed Lola raw fruits and veg and goats milk formula. Her body can hardly use all the food she consumes and she hardly grows, she just shits constantly. Even that seems a chore.
No. 191947
>>191944Do they even emote any kind of happiness? They definitely seem to emote pain or discomfort. The parents seem incredibly delusional, even if they don't have much thought going on, they seem to be suffering.
>>191928I feel pretty bad for this mother, though I feel like she's almost suffering some kind of Stockholm syndrome with her saying that he life got better taking care of her daughter. Bree doesn't seem to be in pain or suffering like the hooligans often seem to be at least, her mother seems to really know how to care for her? Sad that she threw her life away though.
No. 191949
>>191877Plenty of pics where Claire is "smiling" but never in the videos. Gwen might literally take 100 pics for each that contains a usable "smile" shot.
>>191944Shitting might be the only pleasure either of them ever get, but apparently even that's a colossal chore for Lola. Just look at the above pic of the dad "milking" her shit out. How fucking repulsive is that? She's so gross that I feel like an asshole admitting that she seems easy to despise, like a nest of roaches.
No. 192147
>>191666Scott seems to enjoy treating them like toys. Even the way he holds them makes it seem like he doesn't really think of them as living beings, which would be a pretty good coping mechanism tbh.
There's a video wherein he played peak-a-boo with the camera, using Lola. He'd hide her behind stuff, then pop her back into view. It seemed like he was having fun, but Lola gave zero fucks and it didn't look like Scott was doing it for her sake. It reminds me of the way people will play peak-a-boo with their dogs using a toy. Lola was the toy.
>>192050Gwen is so obsessed with their bowel movements.
No. 192156
>>192154*must smell like
Blah
No. 192184
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Recently Gwen was asked in comments of a fb post if Claire had started or would get a period.
Gwen's response was" whatever happens that's something I plan not to share and keep to our family"
Still laughing at that!!!
No. 192207
>>192184lol of all the things she shares, THAT'S what she draws the line with.
sensational
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>>192010This woman really is obsessed with their shit. And imagine going to Outback Steakhouse and having them next to you. You're already in a bad mood because you're at Outback Steakhouse, and then this family of vile gremlins sits next to you. Then the dad picks the ugliest one up and milks a rancid shit out of it.
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Whether its the goblins, the creepy creeper or this absolute minotaur of visual horror it takes a person of complete dedicated denial and narcissism to want,keep and care for these useless monsters.
Christians.
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Check out KAylis KRusade on fb if you need more delusional spassie hooligansesqe lols!
Crazy mom
Kid makes a rock look like James brown!
Mom has tonnes of pics and bids of her miracle NORMAL NOT BRAINDEAD NON TARD…
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>>192570What a beautiful affirmation of love that ceremony (and the honeymoon) would be.
No. 192757
>>192399It was time. I picked her up and held her above my knee, her diaper crackling softly over my hand. She opened her mouth ever so slightly and grunted, somehow both low and a whine, her bare feet chilly on my knees, her body odor a mingling of old cheese and sickly urine. I brought her close to me, her bald spots reflective underneath her stringy hair, and put my fingers across her stomach, a bloated tube covered by dry skin that hung loosely over her sharp ribs.
Her face contorted into a furious scowl as I rubbed my fingers in a circular motion across, her moaning getting lower as I moved, her belly rumbling as if waves crashed inside. I heard the wet beginning of a thunderous fart that turned into something as loud as a firecracker and much longer. The gastrointestinal fireworks continued, popping on and off, until her shit liberated itself with an angry, noisy surge, instantly giving her diaper a squishy, perceptible weight, filling the air with a sweet, enormously powerful stench that defied reason, a sulfurous aroma that seemed to contain all that was bad in the world. The shit poured out until ending with a lingering, dying fart, like the air leaving a balloon.
The Outback Steakhouse waiter nervously approached our table. The crowded restaurant had gone silent. "I'll take the check, please," I said as I mussed my daughter's greasy hair.
No. 192813
>>190649MEIN FUHRER
I CAN WALK
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>>192819Lmao @ "sibiling rivalry"
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>>192827They should seriously leave the two alone for an hour and see if Claire can send Lola to that great fart cloud in the sky.
No. 192860
>>192184It won't happen. Neither of these girls has enough body fat for menstruation. Especially Lola. The poor child is so wasted away that a period would sap what little energy she has.
Her wasted appearance is frightening. It's like the pic of that African child who had collapsed from hunger in the middle of a village. Only this is due to being born horribly disabled.
No. 192900
>>192860>>192767>>192767The physical therapist does do it, to the extent they can. They each have hypertonia (
http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/hypertonia.shtml ) which is why Claire's legs are crossed (the muscles keep getting tighter and have dislocated her hips. They put the rubber chicken into Lola's hand to try and open her grip a bit. Besides… essential oils and all that…
No. 192931
>>192388What the fuck? If you're in a restaurant and your kid starts taking a shit, you take them to the bathroom and hang out there until the kid is finished and cleaned up. You definitely don't sit there and take pictures of them squeezing one out.
Are they such dickbags that they don't care at all about the people around them that are trying to eat? Are they so used to the constant smell of feces that they've forgotten that other people don't enjoy it?
>>192893So Gwen's husband and son dared to have some father-son bonding that didn't directly involve her, and her butthurt response was to give her son an insulting nickname and pretend it wasn't offensive because it's supposedly a family name?
Gwen is such a self-centered bitch.
No. 192944
>>192931The mum at least seems like a definite type to scream about how her precious little beautiful baby angels deserve to enjoy Outback Steakhouse as much as anybody with a formed brain does, and demand an apology from anyone who complained for being prejudiced.
Personally I doubt social norms and politeness or consideration for anyone other than her agony-writhing gremlins and pity points. anything short of humouring her and coddling the daughters = potato hater
No. 192956
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Ugh…
"For the record, YES, one of them DID just shit their pants.
God Bless Lambert's Cafe, Home of Throwed Rolls!"
No. 193035
>>193021I've noticed at Outback Steakhouses they are either completely deserted or so packed there are people waiting for a table outside.
(sage for OT)
No. 193038
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My friend just posted this
Didn't even know they have a fundraiser
No. 193099
>>193058this seems like an attempt to prove to herself and the doctors that the disease is not degenerative.
It could work (highly doubt it will) but if it does, its quite certain that it will not be permanent as the atrophy gets worse.
No. 193108
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Eyes are ok.
Brain is diesesed and rotting away since birth.
Sight awful and terrifying at best.
Also notice how Gwen curses all medical people, realists or anyone who disagrees with her ongoing denial.
No. 193282
>>193041>>193047>>193058They both have Cortical Vision Impairment (i.e. it's brain-related not eye related). Claire was assessed as almost completely blind, which Gwen furiously debates. I doubt Lola even got the privilege of being tested.
Eagle Eyes ain't gonna help em.
No. 193368
>>193346You make a strong case here, except for the facial expression stuff, because Lola can only do dead-eyed nothingness and demonic anger, whereas Claire can do both of those plus happiness and discomfort.
Claire has also been spotted playing with an interactive toy (a toy for severe retards but still), as well as kinda sorta pushing her feet in a walker when a state-sponsored nanny places it directly on the ground.
I'm still going with Claire as the #1 Hooligan.
No. 193401
>>193346#teamlola
She's a ninja!
No. 193467
>>192893>God, we're sick.Yes, Gwen; yes you are.
>>192956Cal looks like the manifestation of the sufferings of Christ on the cross.
Not really, but it's a pretty profound expression and body language for a lad his age.
>>193402I love the one with the Pepe faces.
No. 193483
>>192931"Are they so used to the constant smell of feces that they've forgotten that other people don't enjoy it?"
Partially, but they also want to make everyone else share in their misery. That's part of the point of making their son and his friends interact with the taters.
No. 193487
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The comments on hooligans fb page.
I fuckin can't even
No. 193488
>>193368>Claire can do both of those plus happiness Does she though? Or are you - and I hate to use this word - anthropomorphizing her? She might look like she's happy, but unless she's doing it as a response to joy-bringing stimuli, we have no reason to assume it's any more meaningful than a newborn sticking up its middle finger.
>Claire has also been spotted playing with an interactive toySource?
No. 193548
>>193509She rolls her head around seemingly randomly. Occasionally her head syncs up with sounds or movements that would catch a normal child's attention. It could be pure coincidence.
I'll concede that she might have been intentionally moving the toy, seeing as how she was moving that particular arm much more than the other, but I have to wonder what she'd have done if the toy had been moved so that she'd have to use her other arm to "play" with it. I mean, she and the toy were placed in those positions. She didn't crawl over to it and start playing it. For all we know, Gwen saw Claire's arm spazzing, so she shoved the toy there. Gwen is delusional enough to create her own "proof" that Claire is sentient and then convince herself that it's true.
It's like when Claire "crawled." All they did was prop her up like a poorly constructed chair and then cheer when one of her random movements propelled her slightly forward.
>>193539You can watch the videos without logging in. If they're too long, the screen will get really light, but the video will remain visible and keep playing.
No. 193556
>>193548It's hard to tell whether or not the girls have sentience. As you point out, even the pics and vids that seemingly show them doing things could be pure coincidence, a few seconds whittled down from thousands of hours of activity.
You give Claire too much credit for walking, since she only pushes when her helper literally places her feet directly on the ground. Claire does try to move around in water, though, consistently seen in at least a few vids, but then again, that could still be more reflex than thought.
It would be easy for Gwen to post several different videos at once demonstrating their capabilities, but she doesn't, which makes me intensely skeptical about either having any thought at all.
No. 193587
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Lola on her day off homeschooled.
Spitting and dribbling like the useless spastic spooligsn she is!
God she's probably even squeezing out a stanky turd too!
Love these girls o mine!
#teengurls #divability #shit #shizer #poop #asns #hollowchildren
Loving every laugh!!!!
No. 193659
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This is Gwen talking about how realizing that Claire's hands have gotten worse and that any chance the girl had of using them properly is gone.
No. 193702
>>193690Even if she
can be happy, no fucking way she is. Happiness simply isn't a thing when you can't walk, talk, see properly, control your bladder and bowels, eat, or take medication.
No. 193728
>>193539I don't have facebook and I saw it. This page:
https://www.facebook.com/TheHartleyHooligans/videos/ You can watch Lola allegedly twitching to the sound of rap music.
No. 193733
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Exactly!
How can they be courageous and brave when they had/have no say in the matter or the capabilities to even grasp anything at all!!
Do you really think Gwen will ever snap?
No. 193771
>>193762She must not even remember what being in a room untouched by the aroma of hyper-toxic excrement (she mentioned once in the blog that Claire and Lola's shits smell far worse than a normal person's).
If one of the spuds dies soon enough, good chance they go for another kid.
No. 193816
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Of course press potato Gwen was a fucking teacher and hubby too!
Up there with middle class and christians as biggest assholes in society.
Its like all these pathetic quotes she stamps on pics of goblins, one a contradiction in itself.
A pic of a glazed eyed, contorted, post pox Lola with quote-"if I loved you less I'd talk about it more"
Its all she shouts and desperately tries to convince the world, south America butost of all herself!
I've a bad feeling the goblins might make it to 18 maybe 21…wtf then?!
No. 193916
>>193914>We give them choices and they touch our hands with the sides of their head. So cool!Yes Gwen, of course they do. Lola's just turning her head left and right all the time anyway, but sure, she's making choices.
>>193854The children with this condition have died at different ages. Allegedly some of them have lived till 30+
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No. 194004
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Ttly normal teen gurl!!
Like whatever mom if I could communicate with you or had the brain matter to do so I'd sooi be telling you to leave me alone!!
She's 15 and everything that goes with that age!
Teething, non verbal, non mobile, diapers, seizures, tube fed, atrophy, microcephaly, spastic quad cp, cortical(she's blind ffs!!).
My daughter is NOT HER LONG LIST OF DIAGNOSIS!!!
SHE IS ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT MAKE HER CLAIRE…..
Here they are:
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No. 194011
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>>193978You missed out the part where Lola shitted all over the dentist chair
No. 194013
>>194011Imagine one of those things screaming and biting you.
Shit out of a horror movie
No. 194014
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>>193978Imagine waking up to this ungodly creature screeching at the end of your bed whilst dragging its mangled body towards you on twisted, spindly arms.
No. 194057
>>194007Same here. Claire is more photogenic but if you watch the videos with her you see her face twitches constantly so it probably resembles nearly any expression through the course of a day.
And taking these to the dentist is like taking an animal to be vet, except your average cat or dog is probably much, much smarter.
No. 194064
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>>194014Shit anon, that's horrifying. Looks like SCP-106.
>pic related No. 194173
>>194168Yeah I'd say they can, or discomfort at least
>>189906. Although with Lola I'll wager it's just a bunch of sensations 24/7.
No. 194192
>>194182Probably without lignocaine. Gwen thinks her goblins are smart enough to feel happiness, love, disdain etc but won't acknowledge that they actually can feel pain.
By the looks of the shit milking photos they feel a lot of pain.
No. 194203
>>194192They definitely feel pain, otherwise they would just be dead-eyed all the time instead of visibly distressed. And they're technically not paralyzed as they have some arm and leg function, so they can hurt.
Pulling a little tooth out quick might not be especially excruciating, especially if it's already loose.
No. 194230
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"A poets soul"
No. 194234
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Typical teens loving the latest fashions!
PS. One just squeezed a huge lumpy shit out its sweaty asshole
No. 194473
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"Wanna see my pussy?"(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 194486
>>194011Do the Hooligans ever do anything beside pooping? Because according to what Mama Hartley says, they shit all the time… How is it possible to have shit inside
all the time ?
No. 194697
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Claire is a stylish, smart, sassy teen! PS her piss soaked diaper is loudly filling up with a warm lump of shit
No. 194743
>>194709Cerebral palsy is just one of the things they have.
Think of this: if anons here are projecting onto them that these expressions are of pain (something I don't totally agree with) then Gwen is projecting just as hard with her claims of 'smiles'.
No. 194750
>>194743But pain is a basic function that even the girls brings are capable of processing.
Emotions are too complex but sensations aren't. Pain, cold, hunger, and satiation are all within reason for them to be able to experience though.
No. 194754
>>194241he's graduating this spring, and i honestly think he's going to go to school and cut off all contact with his mom because of this shit (pun not intended)
all of his posts on insta about them sound so forced and the exact same. "you've inspired me to be a better person"
No. 194758
>>194756Nobody said every expression that happens to form on their faces means anything. People are even pointing out that most of the contortions are random twitching or myoclonus.
its pretty obvious that they're in pain in quite a few photos, usually Lola when she's trying to shit.
You specifically said people were confusing CP with random grimaces, it was pointed out that it's not a typical symptom of CP. What's your point supposed to be anon?
No. 194761
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>>194757he's most likely going to stick in kansas since that's where his gf is going to school too, but you can just see his discomfort when he's holding his sisters
pic related: him and his gf
No. 194804
>>194761At this point he'd just look better if he buzzed his whole head vs keeping it cut like that
That haircut is the third most retarded looking thing in that picture
No. 194810
>>194761He kind of looks like a young Macklemore.
Also, had he ever said anything negative about having Lola and Claire as his sisters? I've glanced at his IG before and pictures with the girls in them are just as wordy as his mom about how they've taught him soooo much.
No. 194816
>>194810that's what makes me think he's gonna just cut them out when he goes to college, the wording on his posts sound just like stuff his mom would say
but other than the few posts on his ig and the "letter" that he was forced in to writing, he doens't do much or talk about them much
>>194813my friend thinks the letter is fake and gwen wrote it herself lol
she says it for a few reasons:
- it's written in cursive in 2011, but it was already being phased out and taught less and less in schools and by 2011 less than 12% of teachers even had the ability to teach it
- the handwriting and penmanship is way too neat for a 9 year old, especially a 9 year old boy
- the use of the word utterly
No. 194841
>>194811From a chair or bed onto carpet? Nope. not even if they fell from that little height into concrete. Unless they landed awfully and have very weak bones or a bleeding disorder. (Clearly neither of them have a bleeding disorder or bones that fragile because they're manually handled all the time without extreme delicacy)
If say, the dad was throwing one of the girls up in the air and didn't manage to catch her she could possibly be injured badly enough that it's life threatening but I really don't think falls are as much of a risk compared to viral infections or further atrophy.
No. 194916
>>194914oh my fuck.
He's even doing the hands.
No. 195083
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The way the kids are treated makes me think about the way Walter ( dog with Mucopolysaccharidosis VI ) is treated by his owners. Of course the dog is higher functioning than the hooligans
No. 195089
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>>195068>>195084every picture of him & his gf featuring the hooligans, the gf looks uncomfortable, and at first i thought it was just her face because she kinda has one of those faces, but nope there's a genuine difference between pics of her with the girls and then pics of her with just cal
No. 195090
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>>195089pic of her & cal w/out the girls
No. 195108
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Just a couple girls who love their brother and are happy to pose for photographs with him before a beautiful prom night! In this picture a slurry of lumpy wet shit blasts out of Lola's sweaty asshole while Claire blasts a fart loud enough that a neighbor two houses over clearly hears it.
No. 195122
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his gf has a truck driver body and she's wall eyed, but what's most obvious is the discomfort in her face around the gremlins
No. 195133
>>195089>>194761>>195108Looks more like just an awkward/ugly smile with overplucked eyebrows to me. I don't see a hell of difference when I look at
>>195090 besides the body posing. In fact the way the boy is squinting and showing his upper gums he almost looks disgusted or uncomfortable that the bitch is sitting on him lol.
But see, when they're not holding the vegetables they have the freedom to sit on them instead and actually focus on themselves as a couple.
She's gotta be one of those ultra-religious famewhore girls anyway. Any girl with common sense and self-respect would do a 180 and nope the fuck away from this crazy family and their imposing shitdwarves.
No. 195163
>>194928She says Lola is allergic to Tylenol. I think she just diagnoses this shit herself.
But the Dr doing the Gtube did say he wasn't comfortable anesthetizing Lola.
No. 195948
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President Lola.
No. 195955
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>>195948I think Claire is more qualified for the job than Lola and I'm sure the American public will agree with me.
No. 196161
>>195955"Candidate Claire, manufacturing in the United States has long been in decline. Just last year another 50,000 manufacturing jobs were lost with expert saying is only gonna get worse. When you are president, what will you do to protect American industry and encourage the growth of new jobs?"
Claire sit in her beanbag with a microphone placed in front of it. "Ughhhennn
loud lengthy fart"
The audience claps politely.
"Candidate Lola, what say you?"
Lola stares blankly head for 30 seconds. The buzzer rings and the audience claps.
No. 196521
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>>193980challenge accepted fampai
No. 196655
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>>195084>>195089>>195108When they know you're #teamClaire but make you hold Lola anyway
No. 196694
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>>196685This picture's from 2011. I doubt Gwen was plucking her 9-year-old's eyebrows, so we can safely assume they're naturally thin.
No. 196926
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>>196726>>196733i don't follow this thread, but I assume Lola is the lesser cross-eyed one, again challenge accepted
No. 196977
>>196926Id give her a smaller chin
Usually children have small chins
Great work tho
No. 198384
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Caption This
No. 198440
>>198411Never.
The first thread started out as that, but slowly evolved to just getting rebumped by probably the same guy sharing their unfunny shit about the kids. This thread has met the same fate.
No. 198538
Decided to take a look at their blog and post an excerpt from Gwen's most recent entry. If it's already been posted and I just didn't catch it, then my bad.
Oct 22.
"On Monday of this week, I got a call from Genetics in Kansas City saying they had a diagnosis. I almost couldn't catch my breath. A DIAGNOSIS, y'all!!! Should I say it a third time? THEY HAD ANSWERS!!!!!!! They told me they'd figure this whole thing out, and THEY FREAKIN' DELIVERED.
Scott & I were found to be carriers of this gene defect (it is an Autosomal Recessive gene, resulting in a 25% chance of this occurring each pregnancy, as we suspected), and both girls presented with the ASNS gene for Asparagine Synthetase Deficiency. It apparently causes most all of the girls' diagnoses, and the one picture I was able to see of another affected child could have passed for a Middle Eastern, male version of Claire at age 4. The newborn baby picture looked IDENTICAL to my girlies' noggins/faces/chins/ears/head shapes! This appears to be what we have been searching for all these years…
I will be curious to hear if the other lab in Boston confirms this result and/or finds anything else. It certainly feels good to know more, but it also feels a bit scary. There are 12 known cases of this in the world, though there are probably others who are still undiagnosed as our girls were prior to Monday. I am not aware of any other cases in the U.S. I read online the incidence is <1/1,000,000 worldwide. My girls are rare, yo. I already knew that, but holy shit. […]
I read that ASNS typically involves cerebral atrophy and that it is progressive. That scares the fuck out of me. While I know the girls' prognoses have always been grim, I have become the queen of pushing it out of my mind – sometimes many times a day – because I am unable to process this harsh reality without it completely shattering me on a soul-level. I want to believe my girls are an exception to this rule because their heads are growing still & their development is progressing. Surely this cannot be a sign of atrophy or degeneration. I will hold out hope that they are setting a new standard for this diagnosis & that they will be giving hope to other families who are diagnosed with this condition down the road. My online research found a family with 3 affected individuals with ASNS who lived into "the third decade of life." That gave me hope. Hope is literally ALL I NEED at this point. It is all I have EVER wanted & needed since day one. […]"
Make of this what you will. If it's been posted before I'll delete the post, just let me know.
Full entry:
http://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/2016/10/weve-got-answers.html?m=1 No. 198542
>>198538Yes it has been posted but I think it was at end of the old thread. Leave it up here, I say. See also
>>188020 which is literally the known data pool for this condition. These girls have brains that are atrophying and getting more damaged each day.
No. 198574
>>198542I see. I was hoping it'd get some discussion going aside from image macros of the sisters by now. I don't lurk her facebook either.
Her denial is worse than I thought. I mean, they have seizures all the fucking time and they have cerebral palsy. How could what little is left of their brain NOT be wasting away at this point? It's just painful to read through that she wants them to suffer for decades more. She'd probably go nuts if they passed away and she didn't have any more ways to mommyblog about their bowel mishaps.
(Also no idea why my post replied to 3 different posts but w/e)
No. 199259
>>199193these things look to be in a major state of discomfort and confusion at all times. if they do have some very small, minute ability of understanding, then it's extremely limited and all they know is pains, confusion, fear, loud noises, uncomfortable fabrics.
i say we make a petition to euthanize these poor things out of their misery.
No. 199294
>>199193why tf did she tell the dog to give her a kiss after telling the dog not to lick the other dog's dick
like wtf you just saw it do that and you still want it to lick your child's face
No. 199415
>>199261I keep imagining Lola as this poor thing that has no self awareness at all and if just in constant pain that she is unable to understand because she lacks the ability to use her brain to do anything more than reflexive actions. Imagine a life where you can't think, have no self awareness and are in constant horrible pain with no ability to express your agony. That's no way to live. I know it sounds cruel to some but I agree that her dying in her sleep would be for the best.
The mother is in denial so she gives her daughters the personalities she envisioned for them. She probably had this idea of what her kids would be like if they were normal and it's all she can do to keep from totally going off the deep end. She'd be better off with Reborn dolls. If her daughters die i wonder if she will go that route.
No. 199422
>>199415She claims that Lola loves wedding TV shows and Claire is into princesses. So yeah, she makes up personalities for them.
The girls look visibly worse than they used to. Look at the Halloween pics this year. Both faces contorted into miserable expressions. Normally she posts a ton of pics of them but this time no close ups, more pics of the dogs than the girls. Their lives are just pure agony.
No. 199540
>>199515Oh my god, I couldn't even get through this. He looks absolutely loopy.
This thread is so sad on all sides. Like, it's horrible for the parents to have brought kids like this into the world when they had a choice, but it's also clear that they're deeeeep in denial.
Like the Hartley mom ascribing personalities to her daughters when they're barely even sentient. She obviously wants to see them as normal girls, but it's ruining her non-fucked-up son's life. Sad all over.
No. 199566
>>199193When the dog licked Lola, she moved her mouth the same way she did in the video of her drinking from a water fountain. Ngl, I kinda hoped Lola had some degree of understanding that she was drinking water, but I guess it's just a reflexive response to having something touch her mouth, reminiscent of the rooting reflex.
>>199515He's severely retarded, but he's not pure potato like the Hartleys.
>Truly I'd love to hurt and Jill this vile nonhumanOh look, you're severely retarded too!
No. 199817
>>199515I'm no neurosurgeon but that looks like a mini seizure, esp the eyes rolling up and twitching
He can't draw a dinozaura while he's having a seizure lady
No. 199830
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>>199415Apart from the discomfort of hypertonia and stuff like that I doubt they're in constant pain
Seizures must suck but they probably aren't aware of pain, don't really have memories and can't think enough to fear, dread or dislike anything
Kinda a blissful potatoey experience. And they're better loved and taken care of than most kids.
No. 199842
>>199830I mean, maybe. But they have no value of life. It's an unfair existence. And their mother could have prevented this and didn't.
They're already here so killing them would most certainly be a crime which I don't condone.
But it should have never gotten this far to begin with. She knew they would be this way and didn't care. I'm truly sad for them.
No. 199854
>>199830Maybe. But in that last video Lola is clearly intensely uncomfortable at best.
Ask most people what it means to be be human and you'll get a lot of answers. To love, to think, to philosophize, to serve God, whatever. They are only human in the strictest technically sense. It's horrible.
No. 199871
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>>199193My fav part was when the dog started licking her mouth and she opened wide for that suckling reflex, effectively frenching it after he "licked the weenie"
No. 199879
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>>199842Well she didn't know the first one would be a tard, but indeed she chose not to scan for the second one. She left it up to god or something from what I remember, then had the scan when it was already too late (?) Someone correct me please I literally don't remember
No. 199888
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>>199869>>199854Their humanity (however you wish to define that) is what holds their worth.In fact the hartley hooligan's humanity is the only reason they're being kept alive.
Dolphins are better able to love, think and serve seaman and yet we allow the japanese to eat them on the regular. Your humanity is not measured by how clever, loving or altruistic you are. It's just that you happen to be a human, and so have the legal privileges which come with humanity. It is illegal to kill them simply because they are human.
Furthermore, worth is a subjective thing. To their mother they are worth the world, and as sad as that is, that's enough.
No. 199907
>>199896This was already posted
>>190649and
>>199892>>199889these don't belong here, this is a Hartley thread, not a general disabled children/adults thread.
pull it back.
No. 199916
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>>199889This poor kiddo doesn't have what the hooligans have. He has microcephaly. From just watching him, he seems aware of his surroundings and the strange sounds you are reffering to are vocalisations. Microcephaly can range in severity quite a bit, there are mocrocephalic people who can even hold conversations, have jobs and learn to read.
He's nowhere near as bad as the twins, I would like to know why you think his parents (?!) should be killed. It's a very odd sentiment and I hope you're ok. At least explain your edgy opinion.
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>>199915Go to bed raven/kiki
No. 200012
>>199830I think there is
some pain response. See
>>189902 and
>>189906.
Also there is a vid with Claire kicking in the pool. But her life looks like shit, especially in the background of the latest fb video. Lola to me looks like she just looks left then right then left again all the time. Like, she jumps a little, and turns her head. It's like every stimulus is brand new to her and she computes nothing.
No. 200016
>>199879correct anon, see
>>190578 for the evidence post-birth, Gwen also writes about pre-birth and not getting any further scans after discovering her small head size.
No. 200403
>>199830>epileptic hereIn all honesty, seizures aren't painful. If anything, they would probably give the taters some kind of disconnection to the real world. You are pretty tired afterward, so it's probably one of the only workouts they get, other than the therapist coming along. It's kind of scary coming back to sometimes because people tend to move you to a safe spot and you get even more disoriented.
But pain? Nah. Sometimes I'm sentient (see what's going on, but am trapped in my body) and you get a weird feeling (known as auras). I too doubt they're in much pain when seizing.
Sorry for blog. Just POV from someone who sometimes seizes.
No. 200716
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Just two normal girls, rooting for their favorite team with the fam!
Claire is currently enjoying a nice long piss after some rippling farts while Lola prepares to projectile vomit on the back of some soccer mom's head.
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Whos this bitch think she is cucking our Cal?
No. 201241
>>201235it's student voted pageantry. not cucking… yet
he looks like a smushed sculpture of Jensen Ackles, however.
No. 201246
>>201235Delet
That guy is so ugly in comparison
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Nothing quite like holding a disgusting, drooling gremlin squeezing out a lumpy shit before your fun high school dance!
No. 201628
>>201576Oh my god this fucking picture. I cannot stop laughing. Gwen is so totally trolling her son.
When he gets married, he and his bride will be forced to each wear a Hooligan in one of those baby backpacks so everyone watching Cal exchange vows will also get to see Claire and Lola shit, fart, vomit and seize throughout the ceremony.
When Cal gets his college diploma, the Dean will hand it to Claire because really she's taught them far more than any college class. She deserves recognition, too!
First day on the job Cal will look up from his desk, sniffing the air. Wafting over to him is the smell of rancid shit and feta cheese and he will run to the bathroom to hide. He'll stay there until the coast is clear, or so he thinks. He returns to his desk to find Gwen has set up Claire on her beanbag in his cubical and is snapping pictures of her grimacing during a seizure.
When his first child his born both will be in the delivery room because who knows more about life in diapers than this dynamic duo.
If he is unlucky enough to die before them, say, in a car accident, both girls will be posed in his casket for the duration of the eulogy. When Lola or Claire finally bite it Cal will be dug out of his grave so his sisters can be crammed down into that hole in the ground with him.
Seriously, Gwen could not have made it clearer that her son is merely a prop in her veneration of her daughters without forcing Cal to tattoo both their names and faces on his ass.
No. 201649
>>201628lol fuck
get out Cal and cut contact with your family for your own good.
No. 201653
>>201628LOL!!!!
Can Cal even recognize the smell of shit anymore? After spending his whole life with the aroma of human excrement in the air he might be immune to it.
If he gets married during their lifetime, guaranteed the spuds will be part of the wedding. But he's 17 or 18 so if he gets married at 25 then decent chance he'll be an only child by then.
No. 201654
>>201628You know it's lucky she didn't force him to let his sisters tag along to the dance because "They deserve to experience it too!" and then force people to dance with them.
You should she'll drag them to his graduation and would probably try to force the principal to give the oldest one an honorary diploma as well.
No. 201785
>>201576Claire looks so frickin' yellow.
Has anyone thought what is going to happen if one of the girls dies? will ever Gwen stop? she is going to have another poor child?
No. 201826
>>201785>>201821I can almost bet that she'll try for another sick child once the sympathy for the death of one wears off. People like her absolutely crave the attention once she has it and after one passes she'll push the other into the spotlight even harder to make up for it until she deems it 'ok' to announce that she's trying for another child (and secretly hoping it'll be sick as well). If she gave birth to a healthy child it would end up as forgotten as Cal.
After they both die, heaven help Cal because if she's too old to have kids she'll be pressuring him to have children no matter what his age.
No. 202014
>>201628>Seriously, Gwen could not have made it clearer that her son is merely a prop in her veneration of her daughters without forcing Cal to tattoo both their names and faces on his ass.No kidding.
http://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/p/claire.html
>Claire's page on the HH site>6 pics in total>all show her clearly>NONE include Cal or Lolahttp://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/p/lola.html
>Lola's page on the HH site>5 pics in total>all show her clearly>NONE include Cal or Clairehttp://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/p/cal.html
>Cal's page on the HH site>8 pics in total>5 include Claire and/or LolaOf the 3 pictures that DON'T include Claire or Lola
>1 is his shadow-blackened silhouette. You can't even tell that it's him>1 is a fairly shitty picture of him playing basketball>ONLY 1 picture shows Cal clearly and without the shit-monsters No. 202021
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>>201892>that scary 'eating' thing she's learned I'm pretty sure it's something akin to the rooting/sucking reflex that infants have. It's instinct, rather than a learned behavior.
I found this picture from when she was 4. She was doing the same "eating" thing back then.
No. 202066
>>202021Damn I fell for Gwen implying she learned it. I don't know much about newborns but your comment caused me to actually read, and:
>Rooting reflex – This reflex begins when the corner of the baby's mouth is stroked or touched. The baby will turn his or her head and open his or her mouth to follow and root in the direction of the stroking. This helps the baby find the breast or bottle to begin feeding. This reflex lasts about 4 months.Maybe she had that, if so it's gone.
>Suck reflex – Rooting helps the baby become ready to suck. When the roof of the baby's mouth is touched, the baby will begin to suck. This reflex does not begin until about the 32nd week of pregnancy and is not fully developed until about 36 weeks.She's got that- sort of, in that she doesn't seem to swallow much.
No. 202069
>>202066Also to say, she doesn't wait for the roof of her mouth to be touched (per the reflex description). Lola starts faint sucking motions even when someone's hand goes near her head, like in the snoop dogg video:
https://www.facebook.com/TheHartleyHooligans/videos/vb.111342938969247/808589249244609/ or the spa video. Just maybe, there's an aspect of learning or adapting to repeat this motion when something approaches her face, but it's slender. Gwen tries to make it sound like it's only when the bib is on or the water fountain is running but that's not true.
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How disturbing.
No. 202099
>>202069That's why I said I'm pretty sure it's something
akin to the the rooting/sucking reflex, rather than saying that's what she's actually doing. I don't know what to call it, and "the - attempt to eat anything near your face because your shriveled brain understands on an extremely primitive level than you need sustenance to survive - instinct" doesn't roll off the tongue very well.
Even if it
is a learned behavior, it's so imprecise, hence Lola continuing to make sucking motions even after there was no longer anything near her face, like she doesn't understand that something needs to actually be inside her mouth for her to eat. It's "There's a thing near my face, and I make this movement, and then my stomach hurts less."
>>202096>gifted at dwarf wranglingDwarfs are easy to wrangle if they're incapable of moving from wherever you put them.
>shitting myselfGwen needs to shut up about her gross poop fetish.
No. 202116
>>202099Well-explained, and I missed the 'akin' first time around, sorry
>"There's a thing near my face, and I make this movement, and then my stomach hurts less."What a life.
No. 202141
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It reminds me of the film The Boy where this lady has to pretend a doll is a normal human boy. Have they ever had a babysitter?
No. 202197
>>202196Samefag but I missed
>>202014 which just makes it even sadder. I mean Cal could just not want his stuff published on the website but even then that's still pretty sad to see.
No. 202216
>>202014This is so sad. I truly hope Cal gets some psychological help when he leaves Gwen's home.
Also, I was sceptical bout the girls expressing some kind of emotion but I saw this video and… that some real suffering. Wonder if Gwen feels somewhat guilty.
No. 202557
>>202216That's terrible. At least the girl in
>>190649 can actually move herself.
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>>196912This.
Imagine having a 200 dollar prom dress and you're just about to leave with your bf to your prom and then his batshitinsane mum shows up with the horrors. Your bf gets visibly embarrassed and whispers to you, once again, "I'm so sorry, Kaka…"
Then, his mum sticks a kid with no bowel or gag control on your lap drooling all over your new dress and makes you pose for a bunch of pictures.
You're there pretending to be okay with it, but in your head you're fearing for your dress.
This happening every time you go to his house or any noticeable event. Like when your neighbour has the christening of his new cat.
No. 202693
>>201628>>201826Something that concerns me is that if the taters were a result of poor genetics, it means Cal could carry the gene too, right?
This poor boy may have to resort to adoption if he doesn't want a tater of his own.
>>201749>(with a special super tiny set for Bok) Won't lie, I giggled.
No. 202704
>>202693Could you imagine how his mother would rant about him online if he decided not to have children because of the risk? I mean she humiliated him in the past over his sisters so just picture what she'd say about him when she started pestering him for grandkids and he declined.
I mean, if this genetic defect ran in my family even if you needed two people with it to make a baby like them, I wouldn't risk it to begin with and go childless or adopt a healthy baby.
No. 202795
>>202216Lol.. what a fucking waste of time to give these girls "physical therapy". That was no crawl or attempt to crawl. That was Claire being held in an uncomfortable position while her noodle wrists bend different angles and she stares half-blind in mute horror at the shrill voice of Gwen, and the chill touch of the ham. No functioning memory makes sure that she will be confused (if she even has the capacity for that, truly) til her blessed end, and final escape from Gwen's wicked, sadistic clutches.
This is vile, indeed,
No. 202947
>>202823This seems to be a theme with that family. They're more content to just ignore everything and keep the girls alive for FB likes than actually investigate their condition and how their progress is over the years. I mean, if it were my kid and I was getting all this shit for free, I'd damn well make sure they got all the scans and tests they needed to ensure my child had a full prognosis, not just "I have a sick child, they're totally fine though even though I haven't even gotten them scanned for brain deterioration."
This is the kind of thing that leads to one of them dying suddenly and Gwen just going "Well I had no idea it was coming!" until they find out the girls had been rotting away slowly after their autopsy… if Gwen even allowed one.
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They are in constant hallucination
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>>204021Why in the fuck would they post this picture, Christ almighty. They're so desensitised to the absolutely vile shit these little imps expel every day that they forget how repulsive this is for any normal person to see.
The face scabs, the stringy patchy hair, the scrawny, spindly limbs and body…this is the most goblin-esque I've ever seen any of them look. Truly scary stuff.
No. 204145
>>204136They really are Eraserhead irl. If something like Claire and Lola came out of me i would be horrified and tie my tubes.
You guys are so funny though. The maymays this thread produces has me in stitches!
No. 205444
>>204951that was Claire (the older one).
and given that, my money's on Claire going first.
No. 205457
>>204991Same here. Partially to see the shitstorm, partially because those things have been tortured for 15 and 10 years and every second they're alive is inhumane.
My money is still on Lola because her health is much more fragile overall. She weighs less than half of what Claire does and needs oxygen if the windows are left open for an hour.
No. 205468
>>205444Oh, the older one is Claire? Damn, I thought she was Lola this whole time. Usually I just see them as "the sisters" because they make me really uncomfortable when I try to read up about them.
The mother on the other hand, lady is batshit.
No. 205570
>>204991 and
>>205458, I'm right there with you anons.
>>205462Fucking THIS.
>>205473This too.
No. 206491
>>206481You use a clean nipples every feed but we never had more than five in the house with three children because they take less than a minute to wash.
Gwen doesn't need loads, two each for the girls would be plenty.
No. 206518
>>206491Claire hasn't fed on her own for years; they use a Gtube for her.
This nipple is out of production forever and ever, and her little monster can't feed from anything else. Lola can't survive an anesthetic so no Gtube for her. She has teeth as well. I just find it interesting Gwen's saying "enough nipples!", aren't her girls going to live forever?
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>>206523not the same anon but
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>>206525TPN would be a major risk and I doubt Gwen could find a physician who would be willing to go there, given how she has been so vehemently opposed to meds and tests. First, she'd need a central line (Broviac), port or PICC line placed. A peripheral IV can't be used. It has to be a central catheter (a line going to the heart). A PICC could be placed at the bedside in some patients but NO WAY with Lola…have you seen the pic series where even a needle stick for bloodwork was complete and utter hell? She would be so likely to dislodge the PICC, and they aren't ideal for TPN anyway…so that would mean surgery for a Broviac or port placement. Now let's move onto the need for sterility…what can I say with this feta-handed shit goblin? She'd get sepsis faster than flies on shit. I don't even want to think about it.
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>>206570yeah, she's so far off being able to participate in any of that. her blood flow for the sample wasn't even normal.
No. 206594
>>206584These children's problems have nothing to do with the age of the parents. It's a genetic risk that both parents happened to carry (aginst all odds).
What you're referring to is the risk of having a Downs Syndrome baby, which increases with age. Educate yourself or at least~ read the thread.
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Lola (the one on the left, I think) sort of looks normal here. This pic gives you a glimpse of what ~could've been.~
No. 206751
>>206703 They both look more hideous as they age.
All of the above is why the smart money is on Lola croaking first. Tremendous feeding problems, needs to be put on oxygen regularly, sleeps only a couple hours a day, allergic to everything but goat milk and green vegetables, face contorted in a state of constant agony.
In contrast, clear sleeps all the time, doesn't always look like she is in the middle of hell, and simply takes her nutrition through a tube in a process that apparently causes little to no trouble. She will bury her sister, or more accurately, sit there farting and shitting while someone else does it.
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I feel like claire would look like Maddie Ziegler if she was normal
No. 207006
>>207004I went back and watched a lot of older videos and it's her gumming reflex. she really has been doing it forever whenever something gets close to her mouth or chin. honestly I think it was her first time drinking out of a water fountain because they…just never thought about holding her to a water fountain before. Wait wait now that I'm thinking about it im pretty sure there's an older video of them on vacation when she does it in a park or at the beach maybe? of course for the likes it's he first time that or Gwen has a goldfish memory too.
My theory on the nipples is that Lola can't grip on to them because they're too slippery especially with all that spit and slobber going on. The ones she uses aren't as slippery looking and probably have more of a grippy outside that's easier to latch onto and doesn't slide
No. 207010
>>207006Yeah if you watch the Facebook vid with Lola drinking from the fountain (the Youtube one is gone). She does her mouth-open-close thing when she's waved in front of the fountain (something near her face). Then when the water makes contact with the inside of her mouth she clearly changes to swallowing mode.
https://www.facebook.com/TheHartleyHooligans/videos/vb.111342938969247/767885709981630/The bottles are used to feed her goats milk.
No. 207144
>>207110Infants consistently react to stimuli. They recognize faces. They cry when they're hungry. They reach for things and desire to interact with their surroundings.
These taters do none of that. They have the intellect of a potato.
No. 207207
>>207144Lola does her weird mouth thing when things are near her face, which is a reaction to visual stimuli, and both of them cry, though the crying is always weirdly sporadic, as you can see in the video. For several seconds they'll make weird crying sounds, tense up, and maybe tear up a bit, and then just… stop. Face goes slack. Sounds cease. Eyes dry. It's like there's no permanence. They don't need to calm down. As soon as the bad thing (physical pain) stops, their reaction stops.
There used to be a video of Claire "playing" with a toy, but I think Gwen removed it. Claire was making distressed sounds and movements that kind of lined up with the toy's sounds. It might have been coincidental, or Claire might have enough awareness to suffer from certain sounds.
Neither has ever shown any semblance of joy.
Their intellectual capacity is higher than that of a potato, but not by much.
No. 207222
>>207207The video with the toy you're thinking of is on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/TheHartleyHooligans/videos/vb.111342938969247/751862274917307/. It's also worth considering the pool one. I think Claire has
some of the things that a very young baby has going on. She's built a bit different from Lola, e.g. she doesn't seize constantly.
No. 207347
>>207224Imagine you've got kids or you're babysitting, and you take the kids to the amusement park, they get on the carousel, and Lola and her entourage pick the horse right beside you. How do you explain that one?
And then when the kids you're with say honest kid things about Lola, that she looks like a baby, is she ok?, etc, and you and them get chewed out by psycho Gwen.
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>>207526IF YOU NEED INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW TO STEAL CHROMOSOMES, CHECK OUT THE ENCLOSED INSTRUCTION BOOK
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>>208282I thought the exact same thing. The neckbeard with the autistic son was originally a local news piece from the part of the UK I'm from- it made national news?! Gwen must have been seething with jelousy
if you're interested in this family you should read up about Jaxon Strong
>>>/snow/208060 No. 209603
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Jaxon Strong's parents make this lady look sane
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No. 210864
>>210827And Jaxon's parents
>>208060 are kind of evil. It's not as funny as Hartley land.
No. 211457
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Looks like they raised enough money to get the Eagle Eyes. Let's see a legit video of Lola communicating then, Gwen.
No. 211886
>>211833Look at Lola in the above pic. Really, look for a moment. Then look at her in any other picture. She has the awareness of a gerbil, if that. There is nothing even resembling standard human intellect in that brain of hers.
Giving her Eagle Eyes is no functionally no different than giving a dog a piece of chalk and asking it to explain quantum physics on a blackboard.
No. 211910
>>211895> I thought Lola and Claire have cortical blindness. How the hell can this sort of facilitated communication work with people who cannot see.Cortical blindness can be partial.
Gwen says they've both had their vision tested, and they're both extremely near-sighted, Claire more so than Lola. But they're not blind. Supposedly.
No. 211950
>>211910I thought I've seen somewhere Gwen wrote she really didn't know how much Lola could see, but I can't recall which page it was on.
>>211895There's a good explanation of cortical blindness on the Jaxon Reality page:
>although the eye itself may be fully functional, there is no way for the brain to translate that raw visual data into meaningful shapes and forms: the process we call "sight."…
"CVI is brain based; there is damage or atypical structures in the visual pathways. Visual processing is compromised to varying degrees. The eyes get the image and the brain perceives it, however it cannot categorize the information or sort the information. The brain cannot label it or put meaning to it. This is why glasses do not fix the problem."
…But…but (you ask), Dr. Brittany said that oh yes he CAN TOO! see things because she watches his eyes "going back and forth and things" during Mickey Mouse! What is this heresy?? The issue with this observation, Lisa notes, is that "children [with cortical blindness] may look at objects, frequently. Looking at an item does NOT mean that they are able to interpret it."
https://www.facebook.com/jaxonstrongtherealityJSRE/posts/679087595599760 No. 212254
>>212184When you subtract the edgy or 'ewwww' posts, talking about the girls
is a way of talking about Gwen, because she is the one broadcasting their lives. I personally can't wait for the Eagle Eyes fuckery to begin.
That said, since discovering the Jaxon Strong case here (300K+ followers, $200K+ scammed) I'm inclined to see Gwen in a more warm and fuzzy light. I think she acts out of delusion and that she does love her taters even when she's faking their milestones. Five likes on an Eagles Eyes post is nothing compared to what the Buells are doing.
No. 214531
Last thing because I realize
>>214525 may be confusing. There are people with microcephaly who are high functioning. The brain has an amazing amount of flexibility and will work abnormally to make ends meet. It will quite frankly rewire itself. These kids are absolutely retarded. They will never function. They do have the intelligence of a 6 month to 1 and a half year old child. They are conscious. They can feel their health deteriorate with age. They could live a life of conscious suffering into their 20's while at the same time never gaining the ability to function. It is so awful.
No. 214563
>>214525Only Claire had measurements and neurology done. She's the one you're talking about with the 6-18months estimate, and that's only an estimate. She looks and acts <6months. Lola has never been measured or scanned, ever. So there are no estimates at all.
>the medical doctors who work with themWhose ass did you pull that out of? They don't work with any doctors. The recent doctor images on the blog are purely from the genetic testing they had done. They have a kinesiologist and they use essential oils for
everything.Sme of us have actually read the blog.
No. 214735
>>214563Essential oils. So in other words, they get
nothing when sick. I'll give these gremlins this much, they're resilient as fuck.
No. 214752
>>214735No, they get to smell like herbs and spices when they're sick.
Seasoned potatoes.
No. 214771
>>214566Encephalopathy or anencephaly?
I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
No. 214859
>>214771Encephalopathy = ongoing damage to the brain (caused by the disorder they were born with). It's something that happens even as they grow. They'll never get smarter.
There's not much out there about it but
>distinct form of severe encephalopathy associated with congenital microcephaly and progressive brain atrophy.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3820368/ No. 217858
>>217604>Pockey loves herself some melons! She makes those motions if you put anything near her mouth. She's on video doing it to their dog's tongue right after it had licked their other dog's dick.
>(She gets that from her father ~ Ha ha!) Is.. is that a joke about him liking tits? Ugh, Gwen has no filter whatsoever.
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Well I just finished reading all of this. I'm disgusted by the family, and the sisters invoke a natural human react of revulsion, but more than anything I feel pity.
These humans exist, but they're barely human. They don't have lives. All they seem to cycle through is physical pain, physical fright or fear, physical hunger, and the rest is nothing. Nothing at all. They're just one step above being fetuses, except fetuses have potential to become something sentient.
Can you imagine such a life? You can't, because it's nothing but a series of blankness, lack of consciousness, and negative sensations that come and go. How the fuck can you allow these beings to exist? I realize a mother's bond can make them delusional and they want to protect their offspring above all, but this is just horrific.
No. 218182
>>218141Awesome reference.
The spuds have had eagle eyes for a couple weeks and not a word from Gwen about Claire's awesome genius or Lola's sassy personality. Looks like they flushed $3k down the toilet
No. 218619
>>218602If one were to defend Gwen I think that would be the best way to put it. The doctors told them that each spud had only a year to live so it's safe to say she never thought she was signing up for 15 years and counting of this.
Also, Lola never sleeps more than a few hours a day, which means Gwen is in a constant battle with sleep deprivation. I despise the way she treats those things like gross little dolls for her amusement but I don't totally blame her for being somewhat deranged.
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The Hooligans will be on abc tonight. 12.27.16 ~ Just a heads up that our family will be on Nightline tonight on ABC at 12:35-1:05 am ET/11:35 pm-12:05 am CST!
No. 222945
>>222935Dead on. Now only if she'd have another lucid moment and admit that Lola doesn't understand a word of English, much less a cuss word, then she could get started on the road to mental recovery!
And how can you "spoil" a disgusting creature that can't do anything other than shit itself and suck down fruit goop?
No. 223474
>>223380My money is she looks around randomly like that
all the time. She's obviously not 100% cortically blind, apparently red is a common colour to be able to see and respond to. So I'm not surprised she noticed the red on the tshirt.
There is no way EagleEyes is a therapist-only task. Sure, the free PTs they have to have can use it with the girls, but there are no limits on who helps the child. In fact, a parent or sibling would want to be involved because there can be some actual communication between them.
http://opportunityfoundationofamerica.org/eagleeyes/main/ You'll see there are many examples of family members operating it with the child (video related).
Predictions for 2017: Eagle Eyes mentions diminish even further; Claire passes away of whatever is making her yellow; Lola keeps twitchin' along.
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another gem
>> "they really want to be here"
No. 223671
>>223605> On ABC, she said the doctors told her that if they had another kid, it's be perfectly fine when she had Lola. Didn't she say before the doctors told her there was like a 75% chance another kid would have microcephaly? Yes, she did and it's on her goddamn blog. That's one of the reasons why we all think her having Lola was even more selfish than when she had Claire. The balls on this woman.
> They asked him if he ever felt like Claire and Lola got more attention and he said "yes, sometimes." but he also said he didn't care…Poor kid. Fuck, that's just heartbreaking. It's obvious he's so checked out now and is probably just counting down the days until he can move on from this hell.
No. 223678
>>223600Bullshit for ABC to let that go. Claire's "walking" is with the tater strapped into an elaborate device with her damn feet moved by the theapirst! She's no more walking than a man strapped into the seat of a jet is flapping his arms and flying.
Someone needs to photoshop top hat tap dancing Claire.
No. 223765
>>223605>>223666No thunderous farts and milking shit out? Completely unrealistic.
I feel so bad for Cal, hope he'll gets that scholarship and runs far away. There is thought a possibility that Gwen doesn't let him go because that would mean one tard wrangler less in the house.
No. 223793
>>223666Gwen, referring to Lola drinking from the water fountain: "It's like the most normal thing she's ever done."
Lola makes those motions when anything is near her face. She's on video doing it to a shoe, the dog's tongue, and Gwen's arm. So the "most normal thing she's ever done" requires only the most cursory understanding that [object near face] + [mouth movements] = [less pain in belly maybe]. Wow, so normal.
And fuck Gwen and Scott for trying to blame Cal for their decision not to abort. 7-year-olds are dumbasses, and you don't make life-altering decisions that will certainly result in a great deal of suffering for a newborn just because your naive idiot child wants to "meet" the baby.
No. 223797
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>>223793bet he regrets that one, amirite?
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Graveyardgirl and hooligans, separated at birth?
No. 225265
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>>225084>Because shoving your kiddies into costumes for laughs is treating them as people?Except that it's only for Halloween?
No. 225280
>>225265Isn't one of them a teenager? How do you say she tries to treat them like normal people when she's dressing up a teenager each year for Halloween? That's not very
normal is it?
No. 225313
>>225280I'm a different anon.
Anon, it's Halloween, look at the picture not only Lola and Claire wear costumes, it's the whole family, that's normal.
No. 225519
>>225313The normal humans are wearing graphic tshirts and shorts/jeans.
The girls' are on the same level as the dogs, costume wise.
No. 226546
>>226422Cause they're flesh sacks that can only feel pain, startled, hungry, and the cessation of those sensations.
Forcing a mindless meat puppet into human poses to fulfill your sick fantasy of having a real little girl who meets the criteria for a person is twisted as fuck.
No. 226630
Anonymous now No. 226629
>>226546Exactly. If they're going to keep the girls alive, they should treat them with dignity. A list of things that don't constitute dignified treatment:
1. Blogging about their bowel movements
2. Dressing them up in embarrassing costumes (i.e. any costume)
3. Forcing them to "participate" in games and activities they don't understand on any level
4. Describing their intellectual and physical capabilities in outlandish exaggerated ways that have nothing to do with their reality
5. Forcing your healthy child to shoehorn them into to his social and scholastic activities
And so on.
No. 226684
>>226630I'm surprised Gwen hasn't got into legal trouble after all these years. Or has she? I mean it's not like the blatantly abusive treatment of Claire&Lola is kept secret within the household; she put on her own public-access freakshow on the internet. Then again I guess child protection services wouldn't know what to do with the potatoes either so welp.
But I find it surprising to say the least that no one told her ever that giving out such explicit information about their children on the internet is like, kind of unacceptable. I don't know law stuff but I would have guessed that if a child cannot consent or disconsent something like that because they lack faculties or whatever, the default thing would be to assume no consent.
sage cause I sound like sperging but I'm just legit puzzled
No. 226710
>>226684You're not familiar with the world of mommy blogging I take it? There are parents putting their children's lives on the internet everyday, some of them for hundreds of thousands of dollars return per year.
You are speeding, definitely. There's no case for child protective services here at all. The children are I a clean home with clean clothes and organic food. They are not left hungry or dirty. Gwen's just insanely delusional is all.
If you really want to upset yourself read the Jaxon Buell thread here…
No. 226735
>>226630Actually, Lola is hungry almost all the time. Some believe her chronic hunger is one of the reasons she sleeps so little and for such short durations. She needs a feeding tube like Claire but Gwen has refused because there is no way Lola could survive the sedation needed for the procedure.
Puréed veggies are not calorie dense enough for her to gain or really even maintain weight. If you've seen videos of her eating, she spends a lot of time working her mouth in that automatic gobble motion she does whenever anything goes near her mouth, and it takes a very long time for her to swallow even the smallest amounts of food. Were it not for the goat milk they get down her she'd have starved to death long ago. As it stands now she's so emaciated she looks no different than dead, starve children thrown into pits during the Holocaust.
This doesn't invalidate your response - Gwen isn't deliberately starving Lola and parents have the right to make complicated moral decisions about the medical care their kids receive. There's no abuse or even neglect. But Lola is hungry. Chronically. And since it seems to interrupt her sleep and since she spends a good portion of her days screaming, it's a good bet she experiences the pain of chronic hunger.
No. 226736
>>226716Yeah sorry I didn't make that clear. Mommy bloggers are abhorrent.
>>226735I had forgotten about the raw fruit and goats milk diet. Lola lacks enzymes to digest some foods though, or so Gwen thinks.
Where is the info from that she's hungry all the time? I thought her lack of sleep is neurological?
No. 226800
>>226735Woah. This never occurred to me but it makes perfect sense. If accurate, then it shifts the perspective of the whole thing, because in Lola's case, they really ARE torturing her (even if the intentions are "good") just to keep her alive. Positively ghoulish.
I don't know shit about medicine, so I don't ask this question in an "edgy" way: is it possible that Lola could have a feeding tube installed with little to no sedation? Obviously, the pain would be extreme, but they already take the girls to the dentist for teeth pulling with no anesthetic, and if she could survive a feeding tube installation, her quality of life would likely massively improve.
No. 227103
>>226750Claire is a severely disabeld child, but Lola is so much more so, to where she's only partially human in a way. She can't eat what you and I can. Apparently she can't even tolerate a Tylenol nor would she survive an anaesthetic. She seizes a LOT.
To me the things that are harsh are to leave her without pain relief during dental or while she's ill (like when she had the chicken pox for weeks). While I agree goat milk and raw veges and fruit don't seem like a full diet, Claire has made it to 15 and Lola to 10, very unexpected ages for their respective conditions. The goat milk at least is raw and it's fresh, they get it from a farmer. I personally think raw fruit and veg is really harsh, and cooking some of it would be easier for the girls to handle.
Your assumption that Lola is starving is projection just as much as when Gwen says she is smiling. Lola is in a constant state of neurological overload where her twitching and reacting never changes. She can't sleep because she has a barely human brain that is in constant motion. The mistakes were made in the decision to have a second child but the idea that Gwen is abusing her daughters, she certainly tries not to I think. She's just nuts and she stays awake with Lola round the clock.
No. 227147
>>226684The girls aren't beaten or molested. Their diet isn't nutritious or caloric enough imo, but they're not at risk of starving. Their bodies and home are clean. They're given physical therapy and taken out to restaurants and basketball games instead of being covered in pressure sores from being left in a crib all day. Despite Gwen's love of woo, both girls have somehow survived far longer than they were expected to. CPS has no reason to get involved.
>I don't know law stuff but I would have guessed that if a child cannot consent or disconsent something like that because they lack faculties or whatever, the default thing would be to assume no consent.When it comes to pictures of minors online (not counting stuff like child porn), it's the right of the parent/guardian to invoke/revoke consent. It is fully within Gwen's legal rights to post those pictures and stories. To the best of my knowledge, even if the girls weren't borderline braindead and demanded that Gwen stop posting pictures of them, they'd have to prove to a judge that she was damaging them by doing so, and they still couldn't stop her from telling embarrassing stories about them unless the stories were false.
Anyway, it's not like it'll ever negatively affect them. You might as well be saying it's wrong to have a garden blog because plants can't consent.
No. 227198
>>227103Saying that Lola is starving isn't projection, but a reasonable guess of what is happening to her based on information available.
She is fed a few dozen calories of fruits and vegetables a day, and her face is in a constant state of agonizing pain, in contrast to the feeding tube equipped Claire, who just looks like a fucking brainless tard. Lola looks much more emanciated than Claire and her refusal to sleep could be the equivalent of an infant saying she is hungry.
No. 227220
>>226800 The operation itself is painful, as any operation involving inscisions are. But the real problem would be the aftercare and general care of the wound and tube itself. Even (relativly) healthy people can get terrible infections and burns from the stomach acid so Lola's very limited immune capacity will be probably be overwhelmed.
So as you can guess, there's a whole plethora of additional problems to the operation itself.
No. 227302
>>227198Lola's a dwarf, Drwalnut. She hardly grows bc her pituitary gland, among other things, is malfunctioning. But it's just super obvious to you that her parent abuses her through starvation tactics. Go back through the pics and blog posts and learn about how Lola has gained weight.
I don't see how the raw goats milk hurts her but I totally agree that raw fruits and veges are not the nutrition powerhouses some people assume they are. In fact they can be hard to digest. It's concerning that she never gets a legume, I wonder if Gwen has ever stopped to think about the importance of protein and EFAs and various minerals and what she's feeding the girls. While their diet is very 'clean' and the goats milk is grass fed, I still think there will be nutritional gaps. A proper nutritional formula at least part of the time might help them.
No. 227369
>>227302I don't think anyone is saying Gwen deliberately starves Lola, just that her fucked up condition basically means she's in a state of perpetual hunger and that keeping her alive does nothing but guarantee constant pain.
Go look through the vids featuring her. Not the pics, because by Gwen's own admission she takes dozens to get individual shots where Lola looks "normal". In the vids she is always looking like she's in awful pain, the exception being the one of her in the vibrating chair, and that's just because her deformed brain likes the feel of heavy bass.
No. 227385
>>227147Agreed. Also what people don't realise is that these potatoes hardly have any muscle tone, which makes them require even less calories and makes them look spoopy.
Although I do agree lola needs a tube. Can't they use localised anasthetic?
No. 227593
>>227385Apparently no, the dr said he wouldn't risk anything with her. I don't know if local is viable for a gtube instertion though anyway. Lola has had and still has a nasal tube at times. She is able to ingest by mouth most of the time unless she's sick I guess.
In the Eagle Eyes video, it obvious Claire has some consciousness and is not quite the vegetable she appears to be in other pics or vids. I don't believe for a second she is moving the cursor with intention nor does she even notice she has control, but she can see at least some colours and shapes. She seems upset and restless then she sees the puppy image and gets excited looking at its face, until she is tired again. Claire has something going on but I doubt she'll have the skills to articulate herself on that thing.
No. 227610
None of us armchair tard wranglers know for sure if Lola is starving or not, but there's a case to be made, so it's an educated guess, not a random one. Her pained expressions could be the result of neurology, pain from her host of medical issues, hunger, or a combination of those.
IMHO Claire shows no sign whatsoever of understanding shit in the Eagle Eyes video. It mostly just proves that she isn't completely blind, something also demonstrated over the years by all the pics Gwen has posted over the taters staring at bright lights.
It's a nice thought that that machine could give Claire and Lola a "voice," but it just ain't happening. All these videos and pictures and not one has ever displayed evidence that either spud can understand a word of English or make a conscious decision of any kind.
If Eagle Eyes gives Gwen something to do, great, though I suspect that the EE people are mostly interested in testing the device on the most severely retarded kids possible.
No. 227771
>>227610Claire did seem to me to react to the part of the screen that had the dog on it, but with cortical blindness it could be the large amount of yellow in the dog image that is attractive. Claire has stacks more going on than Lola, which the pool kicking and rolling over videos do show.
Btw, Claire gets the walker and her physical therapy as in their state its provided in lieu of school.
Did anyone else notice the dark circles under her eyes? They look quite bad, the left one was black eye level.
No. 227817
>>227428Claire appeared attentive to the bright colors on the screen, especially from the drawing program, and kept turning to face Gwen, even after Gwen moved from one side of her to the other. Claire showed some awareness of the outside world. That's… weirdly heartwarming.
On the less heartwarming side, we've got
-Gwen pointing at the screen and making a clicking sound with her mouth in at attempt to make Claire look at the screen again. It's the same clicking you make when trying to get a dog's attention.
-"I think sometimes she looks sideways like that because she's using her peripheral vision." wat
-Gwen claimed Claire was smiling (she wasn't), and Lola was envious of all the attention Claire was getting and was impatiently waiting for her turn to use the EE (Lola was making her normal scowls and grunts).
-There was a game where you're supposed to look at a picture of a dog. All 3 times Claire supposedly looked at the dog, she wasn't even looking at the screen! But maybe she was looking at it with the eye we couldn't see? Girl is walleyed af.
No. 227825
>>227302Jesus, no one here thinks Gwen is starving her child with malice or that she even has better alternatives. Her best option was not to have Lola but since that's off the table, she likely has few options.
She loves Lola and I have to think that if she felt Lola would survive a stomach tube insertion or could tolerate more calorie dense food, she'd have a tube in her or would be pouring protein shakes into her. The girls' both have nightmarish digestion issues and Scott has to essentially massage poops out of both of them so it's safe to say that they don't have many options with a child this ill.
Lola, who is indeed a tiny dwarf, is around two feet tall. She does have very little muscle tone but her system burns glucose at a higher rate due to all the seizures. She may need fewer calories due to muscle wasting but her seizures may balance that out. A healthy two-foot tall child should weigh between 14-18 pounds. Lola ranges from 10-12 pounds. Let's assume she is no longer growing so she doesn't need as many calories as a healthy two-foot child, which would be about 50 calories per pound of body weight, but due to her seizures and inability to sleep that she burns calories at a decent clip. Let's say she only needs 40 per pound - that means she needs 400-480 calories a day to break even. It is very hard for Gwen to achieve that with goat milk and veggie purée, and if Lola can perceive hunger, then she likely feels hungry quite often.
But just because there seem to be few options, that doesn't mean Lola isn't suffering. She is. How much she perceives her suffering is unknown but Lola is a portrait of physical misery.
>>227369Are you saying Claire doesn't have seizures (looks like it autocorrected to "sisters"). She definitely has them. Gwen's video of Claire crying is really just a seizure. She had fewer than Lola, who seems like she has dozens a day, but sadly she does seize often herself.
Also, to address the notion that Gwen's excellent care has resulted in the girls living longer than expected. There may be some truth to that but there isn't enough data to say for sure. This genetic defect is so rare it's only been detected and tracked in a handful of families and two of those families had/ have children who are in their teens. Gwen's care cannot be said to be the reason the girls are still alive still, especially given her reliance on woo treatments like essential oils. It may just be the luck of the draw.
The CPS alarmism only has any basis in that perhaps Gwen shouldn't share so many details about her daughters online. Possibly so but they have zero perception of strangers' opinions. Gwen has a gallows sense of humor, is delusional and is very weird. But her daughters receive the best care possible within Gwen's desire to keep them alive at all costs.
No. 227827
>>227825Damn, I misunderstood that and I did think Claire didn't have seizures.
That 'peripheral vision' thing was a complete joke. This is really a toy for Gwen.
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>>227825"Lola is a portrait of physical misery."
Yep. I can't believe anyone outside of Gwen herself would contest this. Just look at a picture or video of her. There are tons of severely disabled kids out there without looks of hellacious suffering permanently plastered across their faces.
Just look at this pic. This is a 10 YEAR OLD GIRL. She weighs 10 lbs and her limbs are contorted into weird positions. She needs her dad to pick her up and rub the shit out of her guts. She can't talk or comprehend the meaning of any words. If you believed in reincarnation, she's the form you'd expect someone like Hitler to take upon rebirth. Gwen zealously promoting Lola's "happiness" and normality is itself looney bin level crazy.
No. 228024
In some defense of their decision to have Lola (and I can't believe I'm doing this) at the time Clair was not as bad off as she is now, and as they did not have an actual diagnosis to the cause, they didn't realize that her brain would continue to atrophy and her condition would be increasingly worse. I'm not saying she was well off, the CP was setting I n and contorting her limbs and she spent most of the time with the blank, dead eyed stare, but she was still somewhat cute. Of course they also probably did not expect Lola to be worse off than Clair, which she clearly is and has always been. She has never been cute and has constantly howled in misery and she has never had a decent quality of life. Gwen undeniably loves those girls, but sometimes loving them to the fullest extent means loving them enough to let them go, and that is the point they are at. I don't see how she can even stand to be around Lola. She is always screeching and squawking and she looks like a goblin of some sort. Not to be edgy, but it would be all I could do to not toss her down a flight of stairs just to shut her up. Lola's birth was supposed to be a healing experience for them after the tragedy of Clair, instead it was the funeral for Gwens sanity as that was the day she slid into complete denial and she has never returned. And Gwens sanity, much like the girls health will only continue to deteriorate and their ultimate demise will feed the bats in her belfry and if she is not committed Scott will spend the rest of his days caring for her crazy ass.
No. 228280
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She looked like your average microcephalic baby. In their defense, they believed that she was going to learn and grow, not regress.
I grew up with a microcephalic kid and although he is definitely mentally retarded and will always need assistance, he can speak, cook his own food, wipe his own ass and even hold a job. He's still human. He has interests, hobbies, likes and dislikes.
Microcephaly doesn't automatically mean that you're a puking potato goblin. Gwen probably thought Lola would be okay.
No. 228521
>>228280That is one cute baby
>>227920Claire deffo seems to be able to 1-notice movement and 2-colours, like in the swimming pool video
Lola doesn't seem to see tho
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>>228546I don't think she has awareness as in she has the ability to actually think to herself "i have to close my mouth i don't want to drown"
As far as I understand it's just a "reflex" hence why babies do it even though they have no understanding of death or drowning. Pic related
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>>228302I'm not sure, but it almost seems like her eyes worked in her early years.
No. 228837
>>228546I saw some tv programme about babies swimming and how they can have their mouths open when they're underwater. I googled because someone else explains it better than I could:
"When a baby goes underwater the two main responses are the ‘gag reflex’, which is when water gets in to your babies mouth the epiglottis closes and stops water from entering the windpipe. That’s why you often see picture of babies swimming underwater with their mouths open. This reflex can last up until your baby is 18 months of age". It's called the Mammalian diving reflex.
THEN there's a site that says "simply a sign that he or she is relaxed, and instinctively, he/she will likely not choke on or swallow the water".
The one that's got her lips pressed tightly together might be experiencing some instinctual fear reflex thingy (medical term). She might've swallowed water in the past and it freaked her out.
No. 228922
>>228835The girls suffer from a genetic condition called Asparagine Synthetase Deficiency, and one of the hallmarks of the condition is that brain mass decreases the older the sufferer becomes. Eventually every little skill these girls may have - focusing their eyes, being able to move their limbs on their own, etc. - will be lost as their brains diminish. It will continue until even the brain stem deteriorates and involuntary reflexes go with it and they die. We've seen it with Claire - she used to be able to eat and swallow but lost that ability as she got older. They both looked almost okay as babies but the older they get the worse things will be and the worse they will look.
And yeah, when they had Lola, they'd had no idea that they were carriers for ASD and that ASD would result in even further brain atrophy. As of this time last year they were operating on the premise that one day Claire could be taught to move in a walker if she had enough physical therapy.
But now Gwen knows her daughters are never going to improve, will likely die before their 20s and will deteriorate badly before that happens. It's almost a form of torture to keep forcing Claire into all that physical therapy when any skill they manage to wrench out of that poor child's body will be lost almost as soon as it is learned. It will be interesting to see if Gwen ever permits herself to admit that her daughters are on a downhill slope determined by their genetic conditions and no amount of essential oil, useless light therapy, and assisted communication and physical therapy will change it.
I personally don't think that will happen. The day Gwen accepts her daughters' brains are slowly turning into vegetable purée is the day she buries them. I don't think there is any way she can continue to care for these children - Lola especially - without lots of hope for the future.
I personally think Claire is more sentient than we realize. Not by much but she reacts to situations in a way that indicates a small part of her is at the helm. When they took blood for the genetic tests, she was visibly upset until the needle was inserted. After it was inserted, she felt no worse pain, stopped reacting with fear and fell asleep. She has very minor situational awareness - she generally can tell when Gwen moves near and away from her. She also has an expression of mild anger or irritation that she displays independent of seizures. It's like she's baring her upper teeth in a sort of mini-snarl. It's not an expression of pain or a toilet grimace. She gets irritated and wrinkles up her nose and shows her teeth. But that's the extent of her sentience, if I'm even correct and not reading into her behaviors, and she'll eventually lose all of this as her condition deteriorates.
No. 228967
Gwen has admitted that regularly, actually several times a day she pushes the truth of the girls situation out of her mind. I can see how when they were younger, and still presented as somewhat normal, it would be painful to imagine them dying. But now, as they barely appear human, you would think she would rather that their painful existence not continue and they be released from this thing she refers to as a "normal" life. But since everything is about her, and not them she denies their reality and glosses over how they actually feel and needs them to continue to live as the pain of losing them is too much for her. Honestly, she has to have lucid moments where her view of Clair as a perfect, perky little teen and Lola as a sassy diva dissipates and she sees them as they really are, gnarled, twisted little goblins, who have no perception of their reality, to the point that it's almost impossible to classify how they feel. Most of the time they look agitated and confused. Sometimes fearful, which I believe fear is an instinct, so they could actually feel that as I believe they do have basic instinctual reactions. But as to them learning, retaining and remembering anything, there is no way they are capable of doing any of those things. Even Lola's gobbling is the basic newborn suckling reflex and nothing more. That is why it is so difficult for her to "eat", she can't take actual bites and chew, just suckle and swallow. That's why she appears to be starving, if you have ever watched her "eat" you will note that 90% of whatever she is fed ends up on the floor and she projectile vomits…Gwen has to shove the spoon half way down her throat, literally gagging her with a spoon. She is actually only capable of drinking bottles, but Gwen can't admit that, Lola has to have something else she is capable of doing, again helping her to be normal. If she could think of them and not herself she would want their suffering to end.
No. 229049
>>228972>Gwen goes on to say how grateful she is that today Lola is still here Yet she didn't bother getting Lola vaccinated in the first place.
And no, it has nothing to do with the vaccine being risky for someone as unhealthy as Lola. For one thing, Cal contracted the virus shortly after Lola did, meaning none of the Hartley offspring were vaccinated. Gwen is opposed to the chicken pox vaccine, period. Secondly, chicken pox can fucking kill a child as unhealthy as Lola, and nearly did. She was almost guaranteed to come into contact with the virus at some point, so failing to get her vaccinated not only could have cost her her life, it also guaranteed she'd suffer from the rash and probably other symptoms like fever, and there was an added risk of infection from the blisters.
There was no reason for Lola to suffer like she did. Gwen and Scott can go fuck themselves.
No. 229091
>>229049I was thinking about how at-risk the girls are for catching bugs with strangers coming into the home for the Eagle Eye. Also Cal could bring home any kind of virus that is passing around the high school. Gwen really needs to vaccinate herself, Scott and Cal to decrease the chances that they become ill and pass the illness to Lola and Claire. A head cold will probably kill Lola. She lost almost all her subcutaneous fat with the chicken pox and never gained any of it back. She has no wiggle room anymore.
I know Gwen loves her kids but she really has set herself up as the brave mama who defied the evil doctors who told her to abort or that Claire would die as a baby and now has a mellow teen and a sassy preteen who love life. Such a woman cannot defer to medical science and vaccinate herself or the healthy members of her family in order to keep the unhealthy members safe. She knows more than anyone else. She best thank god every day for herd immunity but I bet she sees all the people who passively keep her kids healthy as being sheeple for getting vaccinations.
Poor Cal, being sick when Lola was sick. You know no one had time to care for him much with Lola being a non-stop pox gremlin for weeks.
No. 229230
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>>229162In costumes that suggest Lola's imminent death no less.
No. 229340
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>>229337Gwen still has yet to post a video of Lola using eagle eyes! I can't imagine, her eyes are all over the place! It's kinda scary to watch in the videos how they roll back in her head or they just roll around like a cartoon character.
No. 229426
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>>229382She really is your typical 15 year old! I certainly wouldn't want to get on her bad side, in this picture she looks like she is ready to bite Gwens hand off.
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Just your typical healthy American preteen girl! 10 lbs, two feet tall, cortical vision issues, can't speak, can't walk, can't hand properly, has gigantic pants shitting episodes at Outback Steakhouse, projectile vomits, only eats purred veggies and goat milk, bald spots, seizures. How nice of Gwen to keep her alive!
No. 229534
>>229502Salt from sweat, and the general idiot is slowly decaying skin and insides.
Fun fact, a lot of diseases apparently have characteristic smells. maybe feta cheese is the distinct stank of the genetic shit show affecting the turd goblins.
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>>229534The one in the middle is making a Claire face!
No. 229566
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>>229541Of course they're happy. Just look at the happiness! Just pure joy 24/7. The girls are so grateful to be kept alive so they can have more awesome experiences.
No. 229581
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>>229568I feel like this picture is the closest we'll ever see of what Claire could have looked like if she was born normal.
No. 229584
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>>229581I feel like this picture shows it more.
No. 229613
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Gwen posted this on her IG. It was taken 2 months after they'd all gotten chicken pox.
No. 229615
>>229502The "hands smelling like feta" doesn't have to be down to poor hygiene. Your skin and breath can change smell as a result of infection and sickness. Liver failure, diabetes, cancers etc all can make the patient smell differently.
I doubt their mother would chase up this with a doctor though
No. 229618
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A VERY rare photo of Lola not looking like she's in horrific pain
No. 229654
>>229618I don't follow this thread so sorry if this is common knowledge, but I can't for the life of my figure out her anatomy in these pictures. What bits are her legs? Why does it look like she's got more than two legs on her right hand side? (The left of both pictures)
Sage for non-contribution
No. 229785
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>>229654Here's an idea of how her feet and legs bend/are positioned, anon.
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>>229785The Hooligans got a lot of mileage out of posing their goblin during this round of Monopoly.
No. 229990
>>229502Gwen says on her blog that it is because Lola crams her fists into her mouth all the time. Clenched fists drenched in saliva equals bacterial party time.
>>229583This. Sick, sad and wrong. Fuck Gwen.
>>229613Jesus fuck, Lola legit looks like a corpse!
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Found something while searching on reddit. I guess Gwen keeps everything together with her crazy, ironically.
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Weird, I always thought that Claire's superpower was explosive gas and Lola's was projectile vomiting several times the distance of her own height.
No. 231235
>>231225I just saw a video of Claire using eagle eyes and it was ridiculous. She's had all this tape on her face which detected her eye movements and those movements created designs on the computer screen. Basically she was just forming a bunch of meaningless swirls as her eyes darted aimlessly over the screen and even that she could barely do. She kept looking off to the side while Gwen tried to get her to look back at the screen.Then when she did finally did coax her back to where she was supposed to look, Claire's eyes would just go down to the bottom of the screen. Gwen kept resetting it, but she complained that Claire was getting "stuck" at the bottom as if was actually consciously interacting it.
The girl had no idea what was going on and had no interest in that eagle eyes contraption at all, but as far as her mother was concerned she was friggin michelangelo creating the next great work of art.
No. 231239
>>230969Ugh, those girls repulse me. I know it's not their fault,nor their choice to be born the way they were, but it's not a cockroach's fault it is the way it is either, but we're still filled with revulsion when we flip on the light and see one scurrying away. It's the same with these two little cretins. The feeling when I look at them is a visceral disgust. Especially the little one, Lola.
Her mother makes it so much worse by showing off their most repellent moments and she seems to go out of her way to choose the grossest descriptions as if the pictures werent' bad enough. Like when her husband "milks" the shit out of Lola's gut. Does she really think that's cute or funny? She doesn't realize that the way she so proudly portrays their shitting, farting, vomiting etc. turns people against her and her little spawns.
Everything she does is so obnoxious, like when she feeds Lola and brags about how amazing she is because she clucks her tongue when she puts the bib around her neck. Then she slurps down the strained mush that her mom shovels into her gullet and makes those repulsive noises…it fucking enrages me. it's like a violent car wreck..it sickens me but i can't look away.
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>>193934Something's up with this. I get the feeling Gwen is doing something to promt a response from Lola. I could be wrong, but you know the way people 'communicate' with their pets by prompting them to make a certain noise? (petting a certain way, pulling tail, ect)
The fact that this is just an audio file increases my suspicions that Gwen is possibly pinching, pulling limbs, or removing food from Lola to illicit a 'conversation', or to give the impression that she is purposefully communicating with her.
No. 231247
>>231236I think they're both potatoes, but believe it or not, I actually think Lola sometimes seems more aware than Claire, not that that's saying much and I think that eagle eyes will be useless for both of them, but Lola can sometimes cry, scrunch up her face if something seems to bother her and occasionally will turn her head in the direction of a sound she hears, while Claire just seems to stare off into space at nothing most of the time.
I think that although Lola was originally more profoundly affected than Claire, because the condition causes the brain to atrophy, they get progressively worse the older they get and since Claire is five years older than Lola, that's five more years she's had for her brain to shrivel up and rot.
I think another reason that lot of people believe Claire is slightly better off that Lola because Lola looks so much worse. I've seen a few pictures where you could almost tell what Claire would have looked like if she hadn't been born with this syndrome, whereas Lola barely looks human most of the time. There are instances where she's looks like something you'd see in a horror movie based on an HP Lovecraft story.
No. 231249
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>>208060>>208060>>208060there was a thread started on Jaxon and his disgusting parents. Some really good questions are raised, but the whole thing is incredibly sad.
I cannot for the life of me figure out how CPS are not involved.
IIRC, they stopped taking him to the doctors because 'doctors don't have all the answers'
Pic related; Jaxon dosed up on strong opiates to stop him from screaming in pain.
You should read his article on Steemit:
https://steemit.com/life/@sarah.riedel/jaxon-strong-exposing-the-realityand the parent's heavily filtered, edited and moderated fb page:
https://www.facebook.com/WeAreJaxonStrong/I hope his parents happen upon their thread here, because they can't get it removed. Really don't want the tread to die- people who donated money to them have the right to know about this. The child is so clearly in pain and misery between fits.
No. 231267
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>>231261For a start, he's got cortical blindness. Meaning his eyes are working fine, they just don't send messages to the brain.
But even in low-light, dim, indoor shots…etc… his eyes don't react and pupils are pinned (constantly undialated)
pinprick pupils are a sure sign of opiate use
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>>231261When eyes are half-lidded, the eyes will dilate. He still has tiny pupils
No. 231304
>>231246Those are Lola's regular grunts and whimpers. The recording gives the false impression that Lola was responding to Gwen because Lola's vocalizations MOSTLY occurred when Gwen wasn't talking, but it was nothing more than dumb luck.
There are multiple videos of Lola whimpering and grunting without being goaded into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3W9iMKNx4Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiRG_nQTvdQ No. 231344
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>>231326iirc some edge-lords in the previous thread suggested that because the potato couldn't ascertain the difference between a spoonful of baby-food and an erect penis, could it be considered sexual assault? I mean, if we're looking at it philosophically.
If a tree falls in the woods (If the crippled mutant rhythmically sucks anything placed near its lips, and your dick just happens accidentally to be there…) does it make a sound?
I think there's actually a clip where lola starts sucking off the dog's mouth in anticipation of food. She must be hungry most of the time, because the slightest movement will
trigger the reflex
No. 231435
>>231344Yeah Lola looks real fuckin' happy. Bang up job Hartleys.
At least Gwen doesn't do it for the money. Her blog has no ads and even though she wanted everyone to buy Lola bottle nipples and pay for the Eagle Eyes that's not what the site is for. On the other hand, the taxpayer foots the enormous bill for those things to have a therapist move their limbs around and shove iPads in front of their faces ("school"), which allows them to have a swimming pool and take annual overseas vacations, so they aren't totally innocent.
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>>231261Not only is he strung out but they put makeup on him (concealer under his eyes, some lipstick on his mouth and cheeks to make him look less corpselike)
No. 231493
>>193771That's because the brain is actually involved in digestion. It does things like release hormones and tell the intestines to contract and move the food along. They're probably forever bloated and constipated as the food moves along so slowly, but at the same time it's not digested properly giving this several days to week old smelly half digested poo diarrhoea when it finally DOES come out
Must be pretty grim smelling. Old diarrhoea.
No. 231503
>>190206Does this bint not realise that doctors say that for all cases in order for the grieving process to be less harsh? If 20% of kids undergoing a surgery survive, the doctor will tell the parents to expect the kid to die. To tell them their kid will live is just cruel and will give them false hope, but indeed 20% will actually live.
All those miracle babies and HAR HAR PROVED THE EVIL DOCTOR WRONG parents really irk me. Not to mention that evil doctor is the reason their crotch goblin is even alive and well enough to potato another day.
No. 231553
>>231267Some people's pupils don'the dilate.
On the other hand, this creature is probably in horrible agony and keeping him doped up is the most humane thing to do.
No. 231580
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Dr. Lola Hawking went about as well as everyone here had guessed. That disgusting turd has no more understanding of the Eagle Eye system than a chimpanzee has of calculus. How Gwen or Scott resist the temptation to throw that thing in their swimming pool I'll never know.
No. 231595
>>231503It's the same thing with Jaxon's parents. Their kid wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the doctors' intervention, but instead of being grateful to them, in every interview, every news story, they make a point of saying how wrong the doctors were about Jaxon's, not only with his life expectancy, but how he's done so many things that they never said he'd do…but the reality is that other than not dying, the doctors were pretty much right about everything and just like the Hartley girls, he can do almost nothing, but in his parents' minds he walks, talks, plays piano. It's interesting how the parents of these type of kids have so much in common. It's like a syndrome that they all get. Like Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy in reverse. Munchausen parents fake their children's illnesses in order to get attention for themselves…Parents like Gwen Hartley and the Buells get attention by trying to show everyone how healthy and normal their non functional kids are.
No. 231675
>>231614I've never found myself having decisively negative thoughts about a disabled person until I came across these two.
It's hard to pinpoint why. Something about them is beyond creepy, to the point where I think, yeah, someone should throw these in the pool or stick them in the freezer. I feel guilty thinking that but I think above anon put it well in that it's probably a biological reaction to seeing something so deformed and useless. And yeah, their mom turning their miserable lives into a freak show doesn't help.
I know they're probably too stupid to have feelings like this but something about them strikes me as hateful. Crazy, I know.
No. 231684
>>231675>I've never found myself having decisively negative thoughts about a disabled person until I came across these two. It's hard to pinpoint why.
That's how I feel. I can honestly say I've never felt revulsion at deformities or severe disabilites, but I cringe when I'm scrolling /snow because I'm preparing myself for the sight of one of these kids. I feel bad about it though. They can't help the way they are and I blame the parents for making me feel repelled by the, - dressing them up in costumes, TMI about their stinky hands etc AND HAVING ANOTHER WHEN ONE WAS ALREADY A CABBAGE.
In general I don't find children "adorable", but find it in my heart to feel sad for kids who suffer. These two though, I can't even do that.
Possibly if the parents didn't make them internet personalities of sorts, if I saw a picture of them I'd feel sad, but over exposure to them and seeing them in motion…it's too much.
No. 231701
I just want to say that I LOVE all of you so much…so why don't I marry you? Haha…but seriously, several months ago I stumbled upon the Hartley Hooligans. Initially I thought, well isn't that sweet, these little disabled girls, and they have this somewhat normal life. As I spent more time on the blog and watching the videos it began to become very clear to me that they were in fact not somewhat normal, nor anywhere that. As I read the comments on the various Hartley sights, all of these people agreed with Cuntzilla and constantly praised her. In my mind I'm thinking this can't be so. Is the whole world, besides me, crazy…there must be other people somewhere who see this for what it is, and acknowledge the insanity. I began my quest for the truth and wound up here. It's like you people are in my brain. These are all thoughts that I have had. I'm not a cruel, edgy person, and I love children, but it would take all that I have to not toss Lola down some stairs, off of a cliff….perhaps down a dry well?…..yes?….each time I read something that crazy bitch pens I want to go to Kansas, ring her bell and drag her into the yard for the ass kicking she deserves. Naturally I shouldn't go there anymore, but it is the most fiery, explosive train wreck I've ever encountered, and I cannot look away. Her relentless projection, the continual need to try and make us believe that there is actually something going on in their tiny brains, the talk of faces and vomit, Lola can "eat"…..it goes on and on….So I just want to thank all of you for helping me to maintain my sanity in this situation, and keep it up!
No. 231837
>>231296Yup. Claire hates being forced to sit close to Lola. She spends most of this video doing her best to contort her body away from Lola while baring her teeth in her annoyance/pissed off expression.
https://youtu.be/0UwEQTME0oI>>231675Christ, I've imagined what it would be like to babysit Lola. I too wondered if she would even react to being put in the freezer or pinched. I wonder if a person could wave a pencil or spoon in front of her face to make her work her mouth for hours on end. It's a cruelty I didn't know I had in me. I'd never do such things. It is not Lola's fault she is like this and she deserves gentle treatment until she finally gets peace through death. But I sometimes look at her and see a little monster I want to torment and it shocks me to realize how unkind I feel towards this barely human but complete innocent child.
In short, fuck you Gwen, because if that mess of a child outlives you her life will be a hellscape. If people who are ultimately sympathetic to Lola find themselves wondering if she would fit in the crisper drawer, I can't imagine the responses from low-paid nursing home workers tasked with caring for her.
>>231722Neither girl has a body weight sufficient enough to support menstruation. Claire is 15 and even though Gwen swore she'd never discuss it if it happened, there are zero physical signs that Claire is experiencing typical puberty.
No. 231891
>>231725Whoa now, Gwen did the fundraising for this herself, afaik she said she needed $2500, I don't know if that was each or combined. Unfortunately she reached that financial goal, whatever it meant. The foundation appears to give them away but only if you qualify, perhaps Gwen negotiated her way to buying in.
I really feel the foundation should have said no to these girls having them on technical grounds. They do claim to do this. Perhaps Gwens fantasy is catching when she is on the phone to you daily about it.
No. 232035
>>231923Yeah, this is the one…it's the same one another anon linked to earlier in the post about how Claire seems to want to get away from Lola and how she contorts herself as far away from her sister as she physically can and then let's out a loud, disgusting fart.
Gwen's reaction is to laugh and act like it's a fucking accomplishment : "Haha, did you all hear that, she totally ripped one…haha, she's smiling." No, Gwen you delusional bitch, she isn't smiling and BTW, we all get gas on occasion,but most of us try to keep those parts of our life private, but this nut thinks we are supposed to find these gross bodily functions utterly charming because they came out of her little pinhead.
That's another thing that irks me about this woman; how she claims to want people to think of her daughters as normal, but can you imagine the mother of a normal 15 year old girl posting a youtube video of her daughter loudly farting? The poor girl would be humiliated and the mother would rightly get a ton of hate for publicly embarrassing her kid. Not that I think Claire is capable of being embarrassed-my point is that Gwen is a hypocrite to keep insisting on how normal and "perfect" she is, while showing her in the most sickening light possible.(There's a post earlier in this thread showing a letter that Gwen wrote to one of Claire's early doctors where she literally uses the word perfect to describe her daughter, so I'm not putting words in her mouth.)
It's a shame, because as it's been discussed on this thread before, there was a time a while back where some pics of Claire would catch a glimpse of her looking almost normal or at least what she could have looked like if she hadn't been born without that pair of defective genes.
But Claire has deteriorated so much in the last few years, that now with her bulgy, wall eyed-stare, jagged-toothed, rictus mouth and nasty, sulphurous farts, she's almost as hideous as her troll of a sister. And Gwen really does seem to try her hardest to show them both in the most awful way imaginable. So she claims to want people to see them as normal kids, but it's like she has an ulterior motive to try and make them seem hateable, so that she can defend them from the " ignorant haters" and then come across as some kind of super, awesome protective lioness of a mother. Damn she really disgusts me.
Wow, this has turned out to be a longer post than I originally intended. Sorry, didn't mean to write an essay and I hope it's not too rambling or hard to read, but sometimes that awful woman just brings out the "rantiness'' in me.
No. 232120
>>232089It's such a huge waste. A waste of time, waste of resources, waste of energy. The eagle eyes system wasn't made for girls like the Lola and Claire, it was made for children and adults who are extremely physically e limited, but who are mentally intact and need a way to communicate with the outside world. It would probably be ok for kids who are mentally slow, yet still aware and interested in what's going on around them. If Lola and Claire have any awareness, it is on such a basic level that their only concerns are their immediate physical needs…i.e., if Lola's hungry, she wants to be fed, if Claire is cold she wants to be warm. Neither one has the interest or the ability to paint pictures on a screen or to make a computer generated pig dance. At best, eagle eyes is useless for them best and at worst it's probably torture.
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A dream Gwen had recently (from her blog) this is so sad
"During this dream, I was walking behind many of my family members. It was almost like an out of body experience. It was as if I was in another realm, watching life unfold while observing from behind. It felt like I was seeing our lives from the outside in vs. the inside out. It was dark outside, and light snow was falling. Everyone was dressed warmly. I looked at & studied each person as they interacted with one another, smiling, laughing, enjoying the winter night out. Everyone was happy and acting silly. It was then that I noticed Lola… she wasn't being carried, she was walking while holding the hand of a family member. She was the exact size she is now, but she was walking. She wasn't walking "normally;" she was sort of stiff-legged, almost prancing lightly over the ground. Her hair was braided in a Heidi braid over the top of her head. I instantly knew it was her. I could recognize that darling little head and those cute little ears from a mile away. Claire was not in the dream. My whole focus was solely on Lola, and I could not take my eyes off of her and the fact that she was mobile. It was both touching and fascinating, all at the same time. To see her upright and moving, to see our family member bending down SO LOW to grab her tiny little hand for support, to see her feel so free… it was incredible"
No. 232237
>>232201 It's part of whatever weird syndrome she has where she prefers those two potatoes to her normal son and she favors the sicker more messed up spud over the one who doesn't so much resemble a constipated goblin.
Plus I think she feels more guilty about Lola because she had no idea Claire was going to come out that way, but she went into her next pregnancy knowing full well what could happen.
No. 232293
>>232257That is exactly the problem most have with Gwen….it's her delusion and insistence that maintaining their dignity is her top priority , however anyone who follows her knows that their dignity is the last thing she maintains. She just commented to a woman on her FB that she wouldn't talk of their puberty as it is important to protect their privacy in regard to that matter….but I guess that privacy in regard to a teen girls bowel movements is a different matter, that's the business of the entire world. Their dignity is the farthest thing from her mind. It's all about her and all that she gets out of it….a little undignified joke at their expense.! Of course at the end of the day when they finally do die it will be the end of Gwen. She us devoted the past fifteen years of her life to literally flipping veggies and when they are gone she won't know what to do with herself. She used to be attractive but now since she doesn't have time to care for herself, she is over weight. They need a night nurse for the ugly goblin Lola, but they only have a nurse for I think four nights so she is up all night the other nights. I am sure that her devotion to the girls has taken its toll on her marriage. Scott is devoted to Gwen, but even he has to grow tired of her delusion. He works six days a week and I'm pretty sure it's not all financial. And it would be a relief to many of us were she to admit the truth and to be honest about how she is actually emotionally handling her life. I love when she says she's letting the girls personalities show through, but it's not their personalities but rather how she would like to imagine they would be. Her life is unfortunate, but she took a bad situation and made it worse when she decided to go on and have Lola and for that she doesn't get my pity. No doubt she when the girls go, and they will die eventually, what's left of her mental health will be gone…prognosis for her future, NOT GOOD!
No. 232327
>>231837I think those thought processes are entirely human. Literally everybody gets disturbing, intrusive thoughts, but this in particular is a kind of grim spectacle that has gone on for so long and is so absurd that you really do want to poke the potato to see if it's real.
And perhaps Gwen's delusions are a product of having to shove those perverse thoughts so far down inside her, that she becomes a grinning maniac of optimism who lives in a world where she really does have normal teenage daughters, and she won't be caring for them for the rest of her life. The doublethink is real with her.
(I prefer to believe they are animatronic puppets from a body horror movie)
No. 232329
>>232257Gwen's older posts used to be a lot more candid about the nightmare that is those pathetic girls' lives. She has always included a heavy dose of fantasy and projection on her best days, but the older stuff often includes ruminations on his brutally difficult the experience is.
Now, she still talks about what sweet, spunky, tap dancing little geniuses they are, only she leaves out the stuff where they inconvenience her life or are in serious pain.
No. 232469
>>231595>Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy in reverseHoly shit, that's spot on.
>>231837>wondering if she would fit in the crisper drawerMy sides!
>>232053Same here. That picture distresses and unsettles me, as well as saddens me; they look so alone and vulnerable, and there Gwennie is, chuckling away and laughing like it's super-cute and normal and FUNNNN!!11!1! As
>>232257 says, it's not normalizing their situation but setting it
way back.
No. 232716
>>232708As a soul-believer, no.
The "soul" is who you are. Your actions, your capability of thinking, your self awareness in this world.
They just happen to be like a robot : They function because there's something that stimulate them, not because they want to.
(I mean, for example, smiling : You smile when you're happy, yes? They just smile when some bowel movements are going on, no matter happy or sad, it's an automatic process)
No. 232725
>>232257Thank you for sharing anon. I agree with the others that Gwen is denying them simple acts to preserve their dignity. She post all the time about their shit and even took a picture of one of them blasting their shit all over. There was another where they naked on the couch with only towels to shield their nudity.
Disabled should be included in the family and not hidden in the basement like monsters, but the way Gwen parades her daughters around is disturbing.
>>232371This sounds like Gwen. She's always sugar coating their painful existence. Will have to read this, anon.
No. 232768
>>232724This is what I think too.
Totally unfair and beyond human understanding.
No. 232916
>>232530>>232566>>232724the urges to harm Lola in this thread bother me. I kind of think she's cute.
the mother, though. I have urges to twist her into a ball and cut out her tongue and eyes. just… fuck. how evil, I don't even believe in evil but how fucked up do you have to be NOT TO SEE their pain.
No. 234812
>>232916It disturbs me for feeling that way. I don't want to have cruel urges against someone who hasn't done me any harm and who literally has no ability to do anything to anyone, but dang it, I do have those feelings. Sometimes I really feel sorry for Lola, but I admit there is a dark little part of me that gets enraged when I see her twisted up face and body and I want to just make her stop existing. I am not saying it is right, but it's the way I feel. I agree with your feelings about the mom though. Gwen deserves all the hate she can get and that goes double for Jaxon Buell's parents. I've said it before, but I really think the way that the parents portray their kids does have something to do with alot of the negative feelings about them. Though the Buells are even worse than Gwen yet more people seem to feel violent urges towards Lola than to Jaxon, so there's definitely something about Lola herself that ignites those feelings. She just looks so WRONG. Not just ugly…lots of people are unattractive physically,even deformed, but something else shines through in them that makes one overlook their physical flaws, but the thing about Lola is that even though she's innocent in the sense that she cant help how she is, there is nothing positive that comes through about her she's just a big bowl of wrong.
But back to what i said about it being the way the parents act… there's a family in Brazil that had a daughter that was born with anencephaly. Her name was Vitoria. She lived for two and a half years and her mother and father didn't make a circus freak out of her like the Hartleys and the Buells do with their kids. They just showed her a lot of love and affection and I never, ever felt anything but sadness and compassion for that little child. So yes, the way the parents act has at least some impact on how people view the child.
I've included a link to a video of Vitoria with her dad…The love he had for her was so sweet. Compare that to some of the videos of Scott Hartley where he makes a big joke out of Lola, such as that world's smallest ninja video, where he manhandles her and treats her like she's a toy for the family's amusement.
No. 234861
>>231661That's one of the things that seperates us humans and animals.
Reading about the Jaxon case, Gwen is practically a saint. So what if she comes off as looney in her posts; she's not hustling the pro-life lobby for donation or hiding the extent of her children's seizing and suffering, plus her husband still works. It must be a relief for he to pretend normalcy for a while, but I'm sure she knows. Gwen's "delusions" are what has kept her going for so long. Do you think the Buell's could handle a single Jaxon for 15 years, much less two of them for ten years?
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>>234906They both have their moments - both equally make me feel nauseas. Sometimes reading this thread and thinking about the feta cheese smelling hands actually makes me want to be ill.
Claire disgusts me with her big bulging eyes, Lola looks so troll-like it induces an almost rage. Not trying to be edgy.
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>>234924Does anyone know why Claire's eyes are so bulgy? In some pictures they look like they are ready to pop out? Would that make her vision worse? Also anyone notice how much Claire despises pictures?! That sure does not stop Gwen from posting unflattering pictures of her.
No. 234932
>>234861>>234916The Buells are disgusting….there is a video of Jaxon in some stand up contraption and he is literally seizing throughout and she's sitting there " you're having so much fun aren't you buddy"…I can't stand them. Maybe she can take a piece of her massive forehead and donate it to Jaxon. Death would be a blessing and complete mercy for that poor child.. I just hope that once he dies, his shithead parents lose their platform and go far, far away…
As to Lola, I couldn't have put it any better myself. She's never been cute. She doesn't look human, but rather like some half goblin, half troll fantasy creature you'd find in Lord of the Rings. Add to the fact that every move she makes, her attempts at "eating", screwing up that heinous little face to cry….ick…. all of it makes me want to toss her down a rickety staircase! THe more popular Gwen has gotten, the more deluded she has become. She has a much larger audience to convince that her girls are a normal teen and preteen….meanwhile in even the last year the girls condition has deteriorated and they look worse than ever. I understand her need to lie to herself, it's the only thing preserving her "sanity", but she just takes it too far. Lola fails miserably at Eagle Eyes because she's hungry….and to prove it Gwen can touch her chin and she will start her newborn rooting and suckling reflex, I mean her hunger reflex….
No. 234938
>>234924The likeness is uncanny…
>>234931To say that Clair hates pictures would indicate that she has a clue to what's going on, and she doesn't…I think she comes off like that in pictures because the resting derp bitch face is just her face and she just can't help it. It's kinda like when she gives Gwen "side eye"….wtf….how the hell can Gwen tell. Her eyes are always shooting off to both sides, Linda how Lola's are rolled up into the back of her head all the time, but Gwen thinks she's looking up at her. What I want to know is how the hell they get their eyes to do that….that's some special ocular talent there…flexible eye muscles.
No. 234959
>>234932 I'm sure you've seen that video where Gwen puts the bib around Lola's head before feeding time and Lola immediately starts doing the thing with her mouth. Gwen says she's that knows what's coming and proclaims "She's amazing!" I sit there staring at the screen thinking, what the hell is amazing about her and does Gwen really think has any idea what's coming because she can root like a newborn?
Has Gwen really not noticed that she does the same thing every single time her face is touched? She does it when her mom wipes her face, did it when her father kissed her cheek when they were in hot tub, she even did it when the dog licked her. Gwen told the dog to kiss Lola and when he did, Lola opened up her mouth and tried to suckle the dog's tongue. It annoyed me that Gwen scolded the dog for that. It’s not his fault that Lola doesn’t know the difference between a nipple, a spoonful of fruity mush or a dog’s snout.
>>234938Well, I don't know if Claire hate's pictures but I swear she really seems to hate Lola. Maybe it's because she still has reflexes and basic instincts and being repulsed by Lola seems to an innate trait that doesn't require a lot of thought. Maybe I'm reading too much into her behavior, but I still think Claire instinctively feels revulsion when her mother forces her to sit next to her sister.
>>234924I agree with both your points…that whole thing about Lola's hands smelling like feta cheese is absolutely nausea inducing. I want to shake Gwen and scream at her "Stop telling the world about your daughter's gross traits, it makes people hate her even more than they normally would, you stupid cow!!" And as revolting as Lola is, that doesn't mean I find Claire charming and adorable. She has her own unique ways of being repellent, with her buggy eyes and glassy blank stare.
I am thinking of the video that showed Claire crying, supposedly for one of the first times ever, according to Gwen.I dont know what was worse, that ugly, sickly, hiccuping cry or the way her expression went completely blank immediately afterwards, while her eyes went back to nearly bulging out of her head.
No. 234961
>>234958if you say so. Personally I think they look like a goblin had a baby with an overweight rat.
I think Lola does have the same issue as pugs going on with her eyes though. Are they ever not bugged out?
No. 235087
>>234959You make a lot of good points about both girls. Lola is so repulsive that it does only take the most basic of instincts to turn away from her. No wonder her sister puts her in choke holds and arches her body to get away from her. The same thing about Lola's eating, and yes I've seen the video where "Lola loves to eat", and she starts rooting when the bib hits her chin and then we watch as Gwen shoves a spoon half way down her throat, because she can't actually chew, just root and suckle, and 90% of the food comes spilling back out of her mouth. Yes, she's "amazing" Gwen. Kinda like in Lola's Eagle Eyes video where she's completely un engaged and not the least bit aware of what she's doing, and every time she fussed and, well, acts like Lola, you can hear her idiot mother saying "oh, are you hungy, (not "hungry"), because "hungy"is what we say to ten year olds…ten points to Gwen for Lola's dignity! I could go on til the cows come home, or those monsters die…whichever comes first.
As to Clair, while she's not as instinctly as annoying as Lola, she's not without her traits. Perhaps we find Lola so unsettling because she has literally, never looked human. From the day she was born she looked like something you'd find beneath a bridge in a Nordic fairy tale….Clair was at least somewhat cute at one time, but unfortunately, as the disease has clearly progressed, so has her appearance gotten worse. The flaccid jaw with the protruding teeth, that insect like body and finally, the dead eyed stare. most of the time she appears as if she doesn't even know she exists, let alone that she's aware of what's going on around her.
Lastly, and this is unrelated, aside from the physical therapists, (because I can see how physical therapy probably helps them feel better. At least it does Clair. As with most things Lola looks like that is as uncomfortable as existing is for her), but as far as the visual therapy, including Eagle Eyes, and school teachers, that's all a waste of time. There is absolutely no brain development or learning of any kind happening with those girls, and there never will be. They are going to continue to regress, mentally and physically, until they are drooling, google eyed, contorted balls of flesh. Kinda like now, but way worse.
No. 235113
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>>235087Gwen posted their new portrait pics. For all the flack Lola gets for being an ugly piece of shit, Claire can look just as bad. She looks more offputting here than ever before. And this is with the work of a pro photographer who took god knows how many pictures. Every day they are kept alive is an act of cruelty. It's crazy that Gwen won't free these girls from their physical and mental torment.
No. 235123
>>235119She has no stereovision, so her eyes don't work in stench. This can happen to non-potatos but it is usually corrected by surgery at a young age.
Literally euthanizing them would be illegal. They could, however, leave them alone for a few hours, or not treat them if they got sick. Another alternative would be to attempt procedures which would greatly improve their quality of life but hold a high risk. That way even if they lived at least their lives won't be pure torture.
No. 235132
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No. 235143
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>>235113Cal really looks ready to fly the coop here. I can't say I blame him. There is absolutely no joy in his eyes at all.
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Throwback to Claire's birth when Gwen didn't look like a slice of crazy pie.
No. 235156
>>235123Thanks for the eye explanation. As to euthanizing the girls, Gwen would not, nor could she legally off these two. As I understand it hey cannot be left unsupervised, EVER, as a seizure or reflux could finish them off, so hat appears to be their best shot. The other thing is with Lola being as frail as she is, she could fall ill with something and that could spell the end for her. As has been said before, the unfortunate thing with them is not that they were born (except for Lola…shoulda never happened), but that they survived. TTje only thing that "asshole dr. Was wrong about was that they wouldn't make it past a year. Everything else, no cognitive abilities, poor vision, failure to thrive, etc, was spot on. This as we all know has led to a quality of life that most wouldn't wish on someone they strongly dislike, let alone LOVE! Unfortunately, as Gwen is so selfish, she would rather that they survive and continue with this non-life, instead of finally finding peace and release from their living hell. I agree with what another anon posted up-thread, once the girls go Gwen has the remainder of her breakdown, and if the co-dependent Scott doesn't bail, she has a caretaker, otherwise it's a strait jacket and a padded room. Wonder if Cal will continue to visit?
No. 235164
Speaking of Cal, I love how Gwen explains Clair's condition and the decision to have Lola, as correcting their self centered, massive egos, and not taking things for granted, like Cals childhood, and all of his developmental milestones…they do this by having not one, but two SPED spuds, thereby negating the rest of Cals childhood as they have to devote 100% of their time caring for two people who will never give anything back, besides a shit filled diaper and a heavy dose of "side eye", in exchange for what appears to be a really good kid. I wonder if it will ever occur to her, especially now that he's about to graduate, and presumably leave home, that she has wasted Cals entire childhood and that's time that she will never get back. Hopefully, once he gets out of that house and in a normal environment, he will be able to see that he actually grew up in the freak show wing of the circus, and normal people don't think nor do they behave like his batshit crazy mom.
No. 235222
>>235219Read the thread, the girls can't handle painkillers (Lola especially), so what makes you think she could possibly handle a feeding tube?
We're basically jus the waiting for the little feta goblin to die already, as bad as it sounds
No. 235225
>>235219According to Gwen they have been advised by a children's anesthesiologist that he didn't believe she would survive going under for the surgery, thus the reason for not giving her a feeding tube. I completely agree with you that she would be better off with one. She is clearly not equipped to actually eat as she doesn't know how to chew and swallow, she's just using the rooting/suckling reflux, which is why most of what she is fed, if it's not from a bottle, she nds ip on the floor. Of course, they inquired about the feeding tube when she was much younger. Who knows, they may get a different opinion know that she's older and has gained some weight? Of course Gwen won't go down that path as it takes away from her delusion and the Lola story. As far as pain meds, she says that the girls have seizures from things like Tylenol and Benedryl, so that's out of the question too. As has has been said many times over, the only relief these two will ever have is death. Harsh, but true.
No. 235241
>>235222Does an NG tube require sedation? I know she'd die under anaesthesia or with a muscle relaxant but could they just stick a tube down her nose and pump in a feed?
It's kinda sad that these girls didn't just die in utero or shortly after birth. They could have slipped away peacefully instead of being shoved in costumes and paraded around as if their fucked up little pain festival is something to be proud of and encourage others to join. The youngest one looks like death warmed up all the time anyway and her guts would have to hurt since she's basically got gastroparesis.
No. 235250
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>>235200Would you milk my shit out?
I'd milk my shit out.
I'd milk my shit out HARD
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 235289
>>235277Wow that's sad. Gwen is literally starving her supposedly beloved little gremlin just so she gets to feel like a super great mummy.
When the girls finally get to die I bet Gwen makes a huge shitshow proving how self absorbed and mentally ill she is.
No. 235299
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Lola with her NG tube. This girl suffers more in a week than most do in a lifetime.
No. 235418
>>235143he's not even trying to fake his smile omg
i'm surprised gwen posted this/didn't make him do more
No. 235427
>>235222giving them painkillers may kill them, or it may help with their constant pain. sedating Lola for a feeding tube will either kill her, or make her able to get enough nutrition not to be constantly hungry.
it's a win win, really. either they die or their situation improves slightly. either would be good
No. 235430
>>235407I too have posted before, you want to bash her against a wall and I can't think of a better plan than a flight of stairs…either way we both want her to go away…what does that say about us? Seriously, for whatever reason she repulsed me to my core, and I like kids, but somehow I don't see her as a kid. Perhaps it's the constantly looming presence of Gwen, trying to convince me that she is a typical child when she is barely human. Believe Me, I don't want to have these murderous thoughts about her, but I can't help myself, that thing repulsed me at every turn. Look at Mrs POcket doing Eagle Eyes, she could be awesome but she's hungry….did any of you pick up on the EE video where Gwen says she's been sneaking food in between, yet the camera never stops? Are we suddenly all as retarded as her and Lola? I guess if we are on her FB we are, her supporters are bigger morons than she is. I look at baby pics of her with that crushed little head and dumbo ears and I think why dear lord is she even here? She hasn't had one day, lord even an hour of existence not marred by pain and misery. The earliest pics of that heinous little goblin show her screwed up little face in a form of crying. She's completely disgusting…sometimes I wonder if Gwen didn't have an abortion and it survived……
No. 235456
>>235435Are you my head bashing partner in crime? If so, I think we are saying the same thing, that little beast would be so much easier to take were it not for her cunt of a mother proclaiming her every normal virtue vs what what we can all can clearly see…a seriously compromised person who should not even be here experiencing nothing close to a human existence.
>>23447As to your opinion of Scott, as to what I have said before, the guy works six days a week and continuously travels to art shows, and I don't think it's just for the money. I don't know if he's co dependent or if he just follows that crazy bitch to maintain some semblance of sanity in their home. He may be a decent guy who recognizes that the genetic horror that they call daughters isn't only on her, but for the love of all that's holy, that bitch is crazy and goes way too far. Let's talk about my husband the shit whisperer (what other woman is going to take him seriously?) After all these years, he and Cal have to recognize that she is teetering on the edge, and one wrong word will send her over, and suddenly they are the main yard wranglers….I think they just keep it together any way they can, and if that means spending hours searching for a a lost rubber chicken, so be it. Who knows what's going to happen when the girls die. She's undoubtedly gonna blow her last gasket, Cal will be away at school, and maybe he can finally commit her crazy, yes fat, ass to an institution of his choice'
No. 235562
>>235557>exploiting her children is just her way of coping!Those comments. I'm
triggered.
No. 235854
>>235491>>235486>>235472we're gonna bash the evil mom. that way
the little potatoes can finally get some pain meds and feeding tubes. it might kill them or it might not but honestly if crazy-ass fucked bitch wasn't in charge anymore they'd be better off either way
No. 235868
>>235855>>235854>>235486>>235472>>235465Sage your shit edgelords.
Was there legitimate proof that the girls can't have pain killers? Like from a real doctor? We know Gwen is into the woo.
>>235164Spot on. Can must be very remorseful about his sisters. Caring for them, Gwen probably gave him no attention. You all remember the post Gwen made about Cal saying retard. The stuff she made him do as punishment was extremely degrading. I imagine his childhood was like this.
http://www.thehartleyhooligans.com/2011/05/suckerpunched-by-r-word.html?m=1 No. 235925
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The littlest one supposedly has the same disease as the hooligans. How?
https://www.instagram.com/wifeymommyrn/ No. 235928
>>235925From the blog,
http://thejoyofjules.blogspot.ca/- Just shy of 18 months old
- Crawling everywhere and getting into trouble!
- Loves to smile and giggle :)
- Loves eating cottage cheese with sissy and Grandma :)
- Loves avocados, cheese balls and sushi!
- Pulling herself up to stand!!!
- Loves playing with her siblings, her cousin Mayci and pulling her hair too ;)
- Likes drinking out of Mommy's cup!
- Responds to her name and babbles back! :)
- 20 pounds, 32 inches
She's so much better off than the Spooligans. I hope she'll be okay.
No. 235987
>>235925>>235928Seriously, how is that possible? I realize that different people can have the same diagnosis and yet be impacted differently, for example if you've ever seen people with Treacher Collins Syndrome, they all all have similar characteristic facial malformations to a certain point, but some just have slightly off kilter looking faces, while on the other end of the spectrum is Julianna Wetmore who was so born so badly deformed that she had almost no recognizable human facial features.
However, this little girl who the same syndrome as the Hartleys seems to have absolutely no resemblance to them or to the pictures of the other children that were part of the study on the syndrome, nor does she seem to have nearly the same physical and cognitive impairments. She's apparently a bit developmentally delayed-18 months old and just learning to stand, doesn't speak yet, but compared to the Hartleys, she's worlds beyond them. Just looking at her I'd never have any idea there was even something the matter with her. When Claire was younger, she looked much better than she does these days, but even then it was still obvious that there was something wrong with her her and poor Lola was always a pathetic little goblin/potato hybrid. In the study of ASD affected children,a pear-shaped head was listed as one of the traits, while this girl has a perfectly normal head shape. It's crazy that she could have the same genetic defect as Claire and Lola.
It's really sad because even if she hasn't been as badly impacted as them, it is progressive, so if the diagnosis is correct she's probably got a pretty bleak future ahead of her. I hope that since she's obviously not as bad off as the other kids with it, maybe the progression and cerebral atrophy that it usually brings wont be as severe on her either. Maybe she'll be lucky and will have some good years ahead where she can enjoy life before her brain shrivels. God that's got to be a terrifying thing for her parents to find out. I'm sure they weren't expecting such a horrid diagnosis.
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No. 236032
>>232371I didn't think that anyone would ever find a way to make me sympathize with Gwen, but you did it anon. On the other hand, viewing Gwen like this is probably as self-deluding as her viewing Lola as a quirky teen. Whatever works to make us feel better about the world.
>>234872This but with stronger words
>>234959It's for the best that Gwen DOES tell the world about the gross bits, feta cheese and all. If she stuck entirely to her bizarro pageant world of inappropriate costumes and 'quirky teen' roleplays then it would be a far gross misrepresentation of their condition. The last thing you want are potential mothers looking at pro-microcephalic propaganda without any of the downsides shown. It's better that potential mothers see Gwen loving her charges (I can't say children) and working to support them despite all of the brutally disgusting stuff rather than imagining that having one of these babies is going to be a world of sunshine.
Perhaps Gwen is also secretly getting by everyday by imagining it could be the last with 'her girls', since you can't speak ill of the dead.
No. 236267
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A glimpse…
No. 236284
>>236265Not me, though I've tried to make myself see Lola as a human being, I just can't. The best I've been able to do is once in awhile I can envision the hell that must be her entire existence and sorry for her, but most of the time I still find her repulsive.
Like we've discussed before, part of that is her mother's doing. For example this video. I'm not even sure why it bothers me so much. It probably shouldn't…Gwen isn't really doing anything that terrible here, she's not giving gross details about Lola's stinky feta hands or recounting with unbridled joy one of Claire's sulphurous farts, but when she tells Lola to " get those tears out" and to "get that fist and suck it"…for some reason it irritates the hell out me. Combine that with the images of the twisted little goblin that she's cooing over and the ghastly keening cries emanating from the unfortunate creature, I become enraged to the point where I want to grab it by those emaciated, gnarled legs and slam it against the nearest hard object until it stops moving and making noise.
No. 236305
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My fav type of potato
No. 236353
>>236284I didn't say human.
It may happen to you too, one day you are peering at your 100th pic of Lola and you somehow see a cute side to this drooling goblin.
No. 236729
>>235407Actually, antiabortion people generally use stories like this as an example of victory for their side, and make these women out to be selfless martyrs whose examples everyone else should have to follow. In that world, they only consider it "extreme" if you don't support a life of the mother exception. Thinking women should be forced against their will to make little Lolas and Claires is pretty standard among that ilk.
The reality, however, is that when parents choose to keep these children, it's actually extremely selfish. They have the kids and doom them to a short miserable life of suffering because for the time being it's easier than dealing with the grief of making the decision that's clearly best for the kids.
I wonder how she will feel when one of them dies. Like, if she will continue to live in her fantasy bubble or if she will end up regretting having them.
No. 236827
>>236778That's disgusting. I think that no woman should be forced to remain pregnant against her will, but to coerce or guilt women into bringing these barely functioning potatoes into the world is beyond repugnant. And who does it help?
The kids themselves that are born this way have no life. The best one can hope for Lola, Claire and kids like them is that they aren't in any pain. They certainly get no joy out of life, despite how much Gwen talks about how much they love rap and all the other things she deludes herself into pretending the girls enjoy. So a life of dark, meaningless days spent staring into space is literally the best scenario for babies like that.
If their nervous systems are functioning just enough to transmit pain signals to their shrivelled brains then they are likely in pain all the time. Some say they can't feel pain, but Gwen mentioned Lola cutting a tooth not long ago and being "fussy" so they almost certainly do experience pain. Hell, Jaxon Buell has almost no brain at all and he appears to experience pain, so it apparently doesn't take an intact cortex.
Gwen may claim to love her life, but what about the people around her? She insists her son Cal adores the little spuds, but what's he going to say? That he resents his sisters and wishes they were never born? Gwen flipped out on the kid for once uttering the word retard when he wasn't even talking about them. You think he's honestly going to tell her how he feels? Not likely. But the odds are that he feels some resentment towards his sisters and it wouldn't surprise me if deep down he was seething with rage.
This woman chose to have these kids, but do these anti abortions nuts think that women who are forced to have similar children are all going to fall in love with them. Many will wind up abandoned to the care of the state to be warehoused in orphanages and if you've ever seen footage of these overflowing orphanages where unwanted, sick and disabled children are shoved off to, you've seen visions of hell on earth.
So yeah, let's convince or better yet, force women to bring these severely ill, non functional kids into the world. It'll be so wonderful for everyone involved.
No. 236842
>>236825I was going to post about that, but just never got around to it. But yeah, I got annoyed at that exact same part. She ridiculed the idea of spraying to kill mosquitos and sarcastically said "let's please spray the entire country with pesticides…so that nobody can have a kid like that." She said it in a way that made it sound like everyone else was crazy for being scared to have kids like Claire and Lola, as if the difference between them and healthy children is negligible.
Her delusion is so enraging…of course people are scared to have children like that. They should be scared to have babies that will never talk, never walk, who can't communicate at all except for occasionally letting out a strangled, animal-like cry. It IS a bad thing to have children who for the rest of their lives, will be dependent on others for their most basic needs. Lola can't even have a bowel movement without help. Gwen may have created a pink cloud world for herself where everything is awesome and explosions of shit are amusing interludes that should be shared with everyone, but most people would be devastated to have kind of life or to bring children into the world who must endure that kind of existence. And that's what it would be, not living, but enduring.
Yes, it IS the boogieman and she and Scott can deny it all they want, but kids like Claire and Lola are every parent's nightmare and rightly so. They aren't slightly handicapped or mildly retarded, they are severely, savagely malformed, nonfunctioning beings destined to a life of brutal suffering until death mercifully comes for them.
So no, Gwen, it isn't wrong or crazy to want to spray the entire country to kill mosquitos to avoid having babies like THAT!
No. 236910
>>236827I'm with you. I'm pro-choice regardless of context (obviously not late term unless it's an extreme situation like this), but to be antiabortion even in this context is especially disgusting. Like, if you want to bring your deformed eternally suffering children into the world, you do you, but don't push that fucked up agenda on the rest of us.
As for Cal, I highly doubt he's as down as Gwen thinks. He's most likely pretty neglected, honestly, since obviously the girls take up pretty much Gwen's entire life. I actually feel really bad for him.
>>236842>>236825That's the thing about a lot of parents who have kids like this that really fucking gets me. They act like their child's severe health issues are nbd and there's something wrong with you or you're selfish if you're terrified of the idea of having one. Like yeah, I'm pretty scared of the idea of having a child with extreme deformities that severely negatively impact their quality of life and make raising them even harder, what an awful selfish parent I'm gonna be.
No. 236932
>>236922……….."blond" gf……………..?????? what is this neo bullshit
cal's obviously normal
No. 236956
>>236922Cal seems to be a very good kid. He's almost an over achiever. Maybe because because he's so neglected by his parents, especially his mother that he feels he has to try extra hard to get her attention. Some kids respond to lack of parental attention by becoming rebels and some like Cal, go in the opposite direction. Or perhaps he realizes that his sisters will never be able to do anything so he tries extra hard as a way of compensating for their severe shortcomings.
While has certainly done well so far, that doesn't mean he doesn't harbor resentment towards his parents and sisters.
Another reason that Cal pushes himself so hard might be because he can't wait to start college and get as far away from home as possible. All his parents' probably money goes to the girls' care and it's doubtful that they can afford to pay for his tuition. The Nightline segment mentioned that he's hoping to get a basketball scholarship, so he has to work that hard in order to get into a college and be away from the nuthouse he was raised in.
Gwen seems to think that Cal is happy, but let's see where he goes to college. I'd be willing to bet he wont be going to a school close to home.
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>>236932I knew there was something fishy about the Hartleys.
No. 237137
>>237065I'm hesitant to label someone racist over the use of the word blonde in this context. I'm black and not the least bit self-hating, but I'm pretty much exclusively attracted to blonde men, so if a person I know is dating a blonde, I tend to highlight the fact that they're blonde when casually mentioning them. Like "—'s new blonde boyfriend". I know there's some racist people on this site, but I think it's best to not to jump to conclusions over things like that. There's a difference between saying "blonde" vs. "white" or "Aryan".
Anyway, back on topic- I'm really curious how Gwen would react to this thread if she were aware of it. I kind of hope she never finds it because the poor lady has enough problems already and the pity fest her followers would throw her would be too cringey for me to handle.
No. 237185
>>237137Yeah, calling anon's use of "blond" racist is the height of ridiculous.
As for Gwen and this page, it has been speculated that she does follow it. There have been a couple times where posts on here were followed by posts on her page that were suspiciously close in theme. I seriously think she would dig the attention more than it bothers her.
No. 237693
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Kawaii Claire
No. 237795
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She's having so much fun!
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No. 237801
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I'm looking at pictures of Claire over time and starting to feel really sad for her. It's clear that she has deteriorated so much.
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Those poor, twisted little feet.
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Do you think Claire would have had a better chance if it weren't for Gwen's selfish choice to have Lola? Lola is very obviously the favourite child. I wonder how much Claire is ignored in favour of Lola.
No. 237923
>>237859How do they express wants or needs, they can't move their head up or down, squeeze a hand, Gwen thinks they are doing a good job with eagle eyes, to me it looks like they have no eye control and Gwen keeps saying they
triggered it with their peripheral vision, we all know how wonky those kids eyes are! They had the screen shoved on their face, for christs sake! They still managed to look away!
No. 237965
>>237923Their wants and needs are whatever Gwen says they are and chooses to believe they are at any given moment. When Lola was doing her eagle eyes or NOT doing it actually, Gwen decided it was because she was hungry since she was doing her rooting reflex, even though she does it whenever her face is touched. But when the kid was on her back trying to suck up her own fist and super rooting on it…her mom just says ''get that fist and suck it'' instead of actually feeding her.
When they were in the hot tub Gwen cooed, "Lola loves the bubbles"even though Lola's expression didn't change one iota. For all Gwen knew, Lola could have hated the bubbles or have been scared to death of the water, but Gwen wanted to believe that Lola loved being in the hot tub, so she spoke for her and decided how she felt, which is something she always does.
I mean has Lola ever actually done anything to express a preference for rap or any other kind of music? No of course not, but Gwen thinks it's cool for her to like rap therefor "Lola loves rap."