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Alternative title: "Mods please don't lock this one before it even starts" Edition
Dinara, aka Develv, 28, is an artist on DeviantART known for making fetish art of eunuchs. She often shares her account on the site with her sister, Elvira, 26, whose own account and username is Elveo. The lion's share of their infamy stems from their antics in the Russian art and fanfic community, and the site HolyWarsoo has been archiving their antics since 2015.
The sisters have a bizarre fixation on historical young boys who were the victims
of genital mutilation and sexual abuse by older men. They combine this fixation with a general disdain for other women, often making their eunuchs resemble fashion models, while actual women are drawn to be plain, unappealing and/or broad-bodied, at best, or strange, ugly caricatures with mannish features, at worst.
Points of interest:>Elv is known for editing actual Wikipedia pages to distort information, and match her and her sister's eunuch romance yaoi fantasies>Psuedohistorians in every way, constantly claiming that this or that woman or group of women were actually beautiful men (for example, Amazons or nymphs in Greek mythology actually being men all along) or not female-identified (Hatsheput being a trans man)>Both are intense apologists for the abuse and castration that eunuchs went through, claiming most of them were not victims, but "glorious, beautiful, innocent angels" and "figures of power". They enjoy writing fanfiction and drawing fanart of these historical figures, romanticizing their ordeals and completely reimagining their appearances>They defend pedophilia in general, and sexualize living boys who are CSA victims (Bachabazi), young Jewish men and boys, gay Middle Eastern men, MtF transsexuals, intersex people, etc under the guise of "appreciating male beauty" or "supporting love">They were homeschooled and raised in some sort of hypermisogynistic cult by their insane father, which may explain their internalized misogyny>They believe Jesus was a eunuch>They are staunchly against any depictions of Biblical angels or certain historical figures (mainly eunuchs) as anything but beautiful (often white-looking) otherwordly, feminine beings, in spite of the actual Bible and real life photos of eunuchs contradicting them>They love to post their own psuedoscience about eunuchs, trans people and intersex conditions>Elv once burned a book for not being gay enough, and both sisters complain that lesbians get too much attention while gay men are ignored>Both of them have racist views against non-white people, despite not being white themselves (they are Eurasian), and their father believes that the caste system was "great">Both claim to be against sexual content for being "impure", but love to draw fetishistic content (including BDSM) of eunuchs>Elv is obsessed with Tom Hiddleston and Nicolas Cage, and has made multiple edits of them to make him look more like women>They raise their cat on a vegan diet, and constantly shoop themselves to look like their eunuch drawings>Chronic sameface in all their art, possible tracing and fucked up anatomy to make their eunuchs look as "perfect" as possible
Currently, their main fandom is Detroit: Become Human, and most recently, Dev's work was featured in a fan zine full of fanart. They are still fascinated with eunuchs (especially Elv), still write their fanfiction, and still carry the same views as before. Discuss their antics here.
DeviantART #2: https://www.deviantart.com/devakami
VK #2: https://vk.com/albagoas
Tumblr #2: http://bagoastheeunuch.tumblr.com/
FicBook (fanfics): https://ficbook.net/authors/54924
VK #2: https://vk.com/elveoart
VK #3: https://vk.com/fatihfrumos
Tumblr #2: http://fatihfrumos.tumblr.com/
Tumblr #3: https://eovinmygod.tumblr.com/
Proza (her translations of various pieces of literature and history): https://www.proza.ru/avtor/elfira
Poetry.ru (her translations of Ottoman poetry): https://www.stihi.ru/avtor/fatihsultan
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0TKvCN11BWdEagxnl_OnJg
RuLit (fanfics): https://www.rulit.me/books/dlya-ego-udovolstviya-download-free-494361.html
HolyWarsoo thread, where most of their milk is collected, preserved and discussed (For those not fluent in Russian, please us Google Translate or DeepL translator: https://www.deepl.com/en/translator
- Russian anons welcome to translate!):http://holywarsoo.net/viewtopic.php?id=879
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Brian Dechart gave Dev some recognition, not knowing the depths of her depravity.
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Recent fanart of the Joker by Elv. Complete refusal to acknowledge anything non-bishonen about whatever male character she likes, as per usual.
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I should have added that they're into writing and drawing DBH characters as eunuchs as well. Dev in particular enjoys drawing gay porn of them. Remember, though, she is asexual
, and her art is of pure intent.>Connor-intersex in a very seductive-feminine image is just a fantasy, a continuation of the AU theme from the story "Androgin" and "Not Like Everyone." Special work, made to order. The full version in large size on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/dev_elv (not because I do not want to share, but because not all people are ready to understand and accept this type of beauty in young men, unfortunately. So , who wants to see the full version, please contact in private messages, I will send😉)
>"Connor had great difficulties, the society did not accept him as he was. It recognized only two sexes, male or female. There is no third. And so that society would no longer perceive him as defective, he chose a female image and a female gender only one by one However, inside he remained a guy whom only his twin brother, Richard, understood and accepted. Richard is his defender and his second, strong and courageous half. He is the only one who loves Connor and sees him as a boy. seen in connor not a phenotypic girl (maybe a trans girl or an intersex girl), and Connor was forced to accept it. He just wanted to live and enjoy life. He did not want to always explain to people who he is, why he looks like that, he was tired of fighting. go with the flow and tell people what
>For those who do not know, to avoid questions: Connor is a genetic man with testicular feminization syndrome, in which the male body externally has a female phenotype with developed mammary glands and hips.
>Other illustrations for the work of Androgin:>https://vk.com/wall-94786050_7350>https://vk.com/wall-94786050_7377>With Richard:>https://vk.com/wall-94786050_7885>Before going into a feminine look ( alternative version):>https://vk.com/wall-94786050_8099>Links to fanfiction in posts)
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Peep the tags on a fanfic Develv illustrated. Repulsive. Does she perhaps have a fanfic account we don't know about yet?
Story for the polyglots in here (illustration incoming): https://ficbook.net/readfic/7815955/21489879
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>Elv is obsessed with Tom Hiddleston and Nicolas Cage, and has made multiple edits of them to make him look more like women
WHAT? Source on that?
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OP here. I got it from here:https://holywarsoo.net/viewtopic.php?pid=2954499#p2954499>Early images (Byzantium) painted Jesus beardless and asexual. It was even believed that he could be an eunuch (whether spiritual, from birth it is unclear), but such a version was, and was accepted with pleasure by the sect of eunuchs in Russia.>Then the cult of masculinity began, and Jesus began to be painted bearded. Closer to the time of classicism, they began to portray it as powerful, powerful, with heroic features. And only Russian painting depicted him as a thin man with features close to realism of an ordinary and stern man, exhausted by austerities. Sometimes they also painted with a beardless youth, as in the icons of Good Silence (if I am not mistaken) and in the picture of Vasnetsov, where Jesus sits on the throne.>>898067
This I was wrong on. I thought pic related was an actual edit of theirs while scrolling through the past thread for recaps. Sorry to disappoint, lol
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I showed pic related to someone discussing the sisters and they told me that the description of their "eunuchs" sounded like people with Klinefelter syndrome
>Klinefelter syndrome is a genetic condition that results when a boy is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome
Symptoms that coincide with what their eunuchs are like
>Taller than average stature
>Longer legs, shorter torso and broader hips compared with other boys
>After puberty, less muscle and less facial and body hair compared with other teens
>Enlarged breast tissue (gynecomastia)
>Tendency to be shy and sensitive
There are some more serious ones such as
>Absent, delayed or incomplete puberty
>Low energy levels
>Difficulty expressing thoughts and feelings or socializing
>Problems with reading, writing, spelling or math
sage for non-milk
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Elv is such a crazy fan girl it snt even funny anymore
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Yeah but it doesnt happen when you cut a mans balls off right?>>899069
The pic at the top
Good lord, its about underage twincest…I'm gonna translate just the summary for now :
"Twins Connor and Richard loved each other very tenderly, hugs and kisses - was normal for them. But it never reached full incest, they didn't even suspect that something like that could happen between them. During a summer vacation, they didn't go with their parents to grandpa's summer cottage - a place surrounded by forest where their secrets are hidden, and where strange things happened to the twins"
Like I scrolled through the first chapter and there is a really weird sex scene between Brian and Gavin? (never played detroid idk who they are)
No it's genetic but i found interesting how similar they were.It almost seems like they took all the "positive" traits and left out the health issues
it's most likely a coincidence tho
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>>Byleist is older Loki's brother, son of Laufey. Jotuns are ancient gods, therefore incest does not make sense.
yeah nice try elv, theyre brothers but its nOt inCEST. I know your just horny
>there is a really weird sex scene between Brian and Gavin? (never played detroid idk who they are)
Gavin is just a dumb dick. He's not really a memorable character, but IIRC that's his only trait. The Brian thing is kind of interesting, though– there isn't a character by that name, but the voice actor for Connor is named Bryan Dechart. It seems like fans of the game would be pretty into him (like Dev apparently is, see >>897469
). It would be so creepy if Dev's online social circle wrote a real person into their fanfic. Btw, thanks polyglot anon! The Develv online universe is like a car wreck.
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Yeah its um…off putting coming from her especially, considering her and her sister sees everything in their wierd fetishized lenses
Arthur is just rlly socially awkward and its obvious plus, his hear lenght srsly makes him feminine? Come oooon
His thin body? The guy is malnourished for gods sake
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I love how almost everyone in the comments agrees that elsa does not look like a boy here. She just looks like regular elsa but with shorter hair
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Lol how is Elsa supposed to be a dude in this?
Love how Elveo went apeshit when someone told her Elsa looks the same and only looks a teensy bit like a boy
>>900762>I also removed makeup
Didn't know men woke up with bright pink eyelids and white eyeshadow at the inner corners of their eyes.
To be honest, it's like they have no clue what "androgyny" even means. They're completely enraptured with hyper-femininity (as much as they may dislike actual women). They literally just draw women, remove the breasts and say "Behold, a man of beauty and youth!". I know their standards for men aren't that high, considering the crush on the guy who played Loki, so why can't they just look at actual androgynous male models and work from there?
For two sisters who are obsessed with male beauty, they sure suck at portraying it.
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Sorry for bad quality. I cant find good quality pics
I dont know why elv is insistent in drawing radu like an eunuch when he probably isnt
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Its houseki no kuni levels of bad
Well they did admit that they hated heteronormativity, which sucks for them cuz thats the vast majority, no wonder theyre so hateful
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Oh my god…I watched that Russian cartoon as a child…the reason why Kai looks like a boy is because HE IS a young boy drawn for little children…Also way to call out modern art…..the most famous male character from soviet cartoons, Karlson, is far from anything androgynous lmao
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they both basically did the same thing with these two pictures, but elv did it better by not giving loki an over feminized face and make up. though i'll have to admit dev did thor justice by not drawing him as a woman lol
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I was the anon who's thread got locked. Thank you for opening another thread, I'm glad to see people are still talking about these two. Also props for compiling everything better than I ever could. >>903718>>903723
Is it just me, or is Thor's face the same in all three of these pictures?
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suppose to be different kind of races but im not exactly sure why it comes off as racist…
that's the thing, there is no black guy, only a Hindu one.
Why are there two white 'eunuchs' and no black one?
Honestly I kinda do see some racist tones in this, not for how she portrays the races themselves (although I do agree they all have white features) but because her "non-ideal" race eunuchs are all sitting down or hunched over with closed off body language, whereas her oh-so-perfect dreamed up ayran goddess eunuch is in a tall, graceful, and 'open' stance.
Even if the bottom right one is white, she obviously sees him differently from her "ideal" for some reason.
Maybe that's all just tinfoil, but that's the impression I first got when I saw this.
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I'm honestly amazed these two haven't gotten into Mo Dao Zu Shi. It has exactly the kind of aesthetics and history-inspired politics-filled plot that these two cream themselves over. Then again, if it's not historical figures, they seem to be more into funny-looking white men.
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Still shilling the patreon
Elv has also been posting selfies recently and sperging about her "love for the East" and how it started in India. She has actually been pretty active on Instagram recently.
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When you draw a girl but say its a dude kek. I cant read the fucking reply chain on this post anymore…
I feel like i lose my braincells whenever i see her 12 paragraph descriptions and replies
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Mehmed the Conqueror killing John Sphrantzes.
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Elv blames 14-year-old rape victim
for (allegedly) trying to kill his rapist.
Dev must hates the word 'woman' but draws one exactly in detail>>951279
Gross. "Bought and sold" should never be apart of some uwu romance fantasy
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>>Ethiopia was the source of eunuchs to the Ottoman Empire, although it is hard to find information on their lives and personality, moreover their appearance. There is a historical stereotype that black eunuchs were “ugly” and “hideous” on the contrary to beautiful women of harem - which is just a racist lie of European travelers of the past eras (even and especially such as Richard Burton who recorded the stories of 1001 Arabian Nights, and John Lewis Burckhardt, Eldon Rutter and many more).
Ironic considering dev is doesnt like blacl eunuchs.elv drew this btw
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tbf east Africans have some Semitic admixture, which leads to lighter skintone and or more Caucasoid features
NTA, but this isn't really true of South Sudanese people (Ethiopians are a different story, though), so it's kind of unfitting to use a picture of Anok Yai for this.
Africans just have more than one phenotype, there isn't really anything "Caucasoid" about it, any more than the reverse is true for European people.
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Sorry but thanks to the skincolor it looks like that one white german model that wants to be black…..I jsut cant unsee
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I wonder if Develv knows that eunuchs peed themselves alot cause they couldn't control where their pee went and there even is a saying in China that goes "As smelly as a eunuch."
Having that said it really does bring their art in a whole knew perspective.
I admit my understanding of castration/eunuchs is not amazing, but doesn't it usually mean just removing the balls? And not necessarily the dick. Wouldn't they still be able to pee normally as the testicles aren't necessarily for the bladder to work properly? If it is the case they remove everything I could see that. But you can still see the sausage in some of Develv's pictures.
Saged for musing about how eunuchs or male anatomy works.
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JFC DEV I CAN SMELL THE FETISH FUEL FROM MILES AWAY
>>Boys can wear dresses as well as girls can wear men's clothes. In addition, androids are gender-fluid
RK800 (Connor) and his twin RK800-60 in brotherly friendship, art for April ART challenge.
what difference does it make? ever heard of death of the author? dev can say these are guys all she wants but doesn't look like it to me.
they're absolutely lesbians who are too scared to come out because of their psycho religious family.
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>Two of my favorite characters together; the symbol of DBH is >Connor; the symbol of eunuchs and androgynous beauty is Bagoas, known as the male lover of Alexander the Great. Past and future. Human and android. Eunuch and sexless AI.>Strong, and at the same time soft, sophisticated personalities capable of love and friendship.>Dangerous and cunning agents in the service of the mighty of this world.>I think if they met in the same universe, they could become best friends😊
>I portrayed them together on the advice of my friend and in honor of 1,000 subscribers in my group. By the way, here: https://vk.com/albagoas
>P. S. They are both MALE!!!
This fucking crossover…
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So someone asked elv about this
Im pretty sure she doesnt wanna watch cuz "iT doesNT hAve enOUGH gAY in iT" or some shit like that
I havent personally watched but i read some reviews and i heard for the most part is that its fairly accurate, changing only some things but still faithful enough. You guys can correct me if im wrong in this one
Oh yeah i heard that too
But she probably just in it for mehmed and radu or something, but doesnt she just think that they were just his male lovers and not rape victims
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Arent these two suppose to be radu and vlad? Like…their brothers. This confirms she definitley draws porn of them
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Im not the only one that thinks this looks bad right?
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This is by far one of the worst anatomy ive seen from them thus far
Also elv just spergs about hermaphrodites and how they are perfection incarnate and obviously she hasnt seen a real naturally born hermaphrodite
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I see what you mean
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Same anon that posted this
I recently saw this comment and they are spitting straight facts. Develv always had this perverse undertones in most of their work. From the scarce clothing, themes, body types, sexual situations and sometimes nudity it shows. They hide under the veil of calling it innocent, pure and beauty to hide their fetishes. Once they get called out on it they bullshit their way out of it cuz they know deep down that theyre perverts too
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I cant help but look back at this atrocity
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I keked so hard
They apparantly have a twitter
Honestly they might be, even in the smutt they draw >>963268
, dicks remain wholly absent
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Something i found on twitter
Kill all whamen
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It's totally innocent, you guys are the perverts, this is not a fetish at all
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Yes very innocent and pure. Your a pervert if you think its not
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I found this on their twitter. I wish i didnt. Im cringing hard
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First time I've seen them paint a dick.>>973866
The consensus is yes.
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Did she burn this book too?>>973880
Dont we all anon? Id pay to see the look of horror on their faces when they realize the truth but we all know that theyll be in denial and continue to live in their fantasy world
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Like this actually happens in gay weddings. *ignoring the description above
Holy tone-deaf, Batman.
Like it's a good sentiment but the execution (heh) is completely tasteless.
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I didnt even realize that pride month is coming. I am dreading at what kind of bullshit theyll say and draw next
The pic is a crossdressing sherlock with watson
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Pretty old but i love how they unknowingly deny that theyre basically drawing women
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Whenever I see devs art of eunuchs in dresses and shit I keep thinki,g of those bad "call me emperor" ads where it has a dude in a dress.
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Kek anon. I can totally see the resemblace
Pic is unrelated, i just think this doodle is stupid and ugly
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Elv draws the Serpent, Adam and Eve.
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30 of May, 2020.
Deva is ecstatic about actor playing Hank (old detective) in Detroit jokingly saying that he "would marry Bryan if he wasn't married already" (Bryan Dechart is the actor playing protagonist in the game).
Deva is convinced the actors are in love and draws them (not the characters but actors themselves) intimately hugging, and tags both actors on Twitter. The text goes:>"I would've married Bryan…" said Clancy Brown on QD stream and made Hank/Connor fans and LGBT+ part of DBH fans really happy! So, I imagined that if they got married in an alternative universe? Just imagined… so sweet>#DetroitBecomeHuman #DechartGames
People tell Deva it's in bad taste to tag real people in your ship stuff. https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1266849770523377664?s=19https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1266833263781281792?s=19
Deva starts to find excuses:
>These are not real actors, I wrote that this's just a fantasy from an alternative universe where they didn't meet their wives, but married each other. It's just like a movie, not real people. They are actors and know that this is just imagination, not reality. So.
She even accuses Bryan of liking inappropriate tweets.https://twitter.com/MorphanScout/status/1266828944155820035
She deletes the tweet and reposts it without tags, rants about it in russian with her friends on Twitter, and it seems to be the end of it… https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1266843389875511296?s=19
But not quite.
15 of July, 2020
The fandom may have forgotten about that one tagging story a month and a half ago. But Deva hasn't.
She creates a sudden thread about "desturbing heteronormativity" in Detroit fandom while she was "attacked" for one "innocent art" wich she doesn't even ship. Yes, it's about that art with real actors. https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1283355718993633281
The "het couple" she rants about is literally Bryan Dechart and his wife Amelia who also played in Detroit. They have their own tag #dechartgames for their gaming streams and it no longer has any relation to Detroit game itself beyond that the main part of fans have come from Detroit fandom.
So yeah. That "het couple" is fucking real, they are married people and have zero obligation to post about Detroit in the tag they've made for their own streams.
But that's such injustice for Deva! How dare people appreciate these two heteros when she has to repost her gay RPS art because she's not allowed to tag the actors? Obviously it's because the fandom is homophobic! And Deva's in a hurry to tell everyone about it.
Fandom reacts. https://twitter.com/deviantpiper/status/1284539148716605440?s=19
Deva goes berserk. Enemies are attacking her behind her back! Homophobia! Heteronormotivity! The horrors!https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1285117894892777476?s=19
Shit hits the fan, Deva gets personal messages, whines and changes the narrative, the art is asexual and aromantic now, it is absolutely innocent and therefore you're homophobic.https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1285141274756911106?s=19
How dare people draw these two married people and tag them with their personal tag, it's heteronormative!https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1284913392042405888?s=19
Deva defends gay rights! Sexual orientation is very important. (And that's why she draws two heterosexual married men as a married asexual aromantic gay couple). https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1286204171868225536?s=20
… and Deva turns full sjw reciting some bizarre blog (its author has long rejected their beliefs).https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1286663600090701827?s=19
26 of July, 2020
Finally Deva closes her Twitter and rants about how she is such a poor abused artist in a toxic
And likes these absolutely crazy replies (use translation option) about Bryan and Amelia's marriage being fake and that Clancy would marry Bryan for real. https://twitter.com/pta131/status/1287347621502373893?s=19
Then she replies to Bryan's tweet, whining how she was abused by bad fandom, apparently not realizing that he won't see it since her Twitter is private and he doesn't follow her.https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1287443511902527488?s=19
29 of July, 2020
Faithful fans has licked Deva's suffered ego and she opens her Twitter. https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1288210435397652480?s=19
But the war is not won yet.
She goes to the ultimate arbiter. Bryan himself.https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1289158318301147136?s=19
He doesn't write her anything, just sends links to his later tweets which basically mean "you shouldn't care about something someone on the internet thinks about you". Deva is convinced he's made these tweets just for her.
Suck it, haters! Now Deva believes she is bff with Bryan. The end.(namefag)
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Deva comes to comments under the tweet dedicated to Amelia and her character (keep in mind that it was actors' marriage anniversary recently and people are making lot of posts and art for them).
Deva insists that Amelia's character is not important and is just a prostitute. https://twitter.com/DevelvDeva/status/1283337245059997696?s=19
It happens at the same time when Deva rants on twitter abiut how heteronormative the fandom become and everyone ships "Brymelia" while Deva was forced to repost her Bryan/Clancy rps art.
(Amelia's character, android Tracy, is deviant and has self-consciousness while being used as sex-doll in brothel. If anything it's sex slavery, not prostitution.)
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These people are reading so much into the lives of these actors for no reason over a slash ship. Assuming things about this marriage they have no way to know or verify, truly crazy
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They fucking DEMAND that the actor likes and comments on their very sensual ship art and go cry to their followers if he doesn't? How delusional are they?
It's been months that they're obsessed with DBH, a mediocre game that came out more than a year and a half ago. They preach about it being pro LGBT and whatever when there's like one lesbian couple and literally none of the homoerotic content between two main characters like they somehow see. At this point they're worse than any fujo I've ever seen.