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No. 15330

Thread for when you're at your peak and need to vent, scream or sperg about troons, TRAs, or related topics but don't want to shit up or derail other threads.

In a world where women are shunned for standing up for themselves, banned from using the word "woman", have their prizes and scholarships given to men, get told to shut up and take the girldick, that their same-sex attraction is transphobic, that their kids should have their body parts cut off - it's hard to not go insane.

The fear of getting cancelled, fired or shunned by TRAs and friends around you is weighing heavily on a lot of us, lc is one of few refuges where we are allowed to be honest. So go on, scream into the void about troons all you want.

No. 15331

messed up making the thread a few times like the idiot i am, hope I got it right this time

No. 15361

>>15331
Close! Just link the last thread next time

No. 15481

I saw an anon say they didn't feel like the world was peaking like anons here have been saying it will for years. I think if you're from the US or Canada it will take a bit longer, you're sadly behind Europe with the troon stuff. We've already banned puberty blockers and HRT for minors in my country in because of the harm they caused and the backlash was non-existent, I think at most some tumblr and twitter troons were angry about it.
It's a massive relief that they're not giving it to kids here anymore, and it hurts my heart that it happens to kids in other countries. Mentally stunting them, castrating them and giving them permanent physically unhealthy bodies is so cruel, I genuinely think it's a massive human rights violation. I don't think most handmaidens understand what they're supporting at all, I can't imagine they're all evil enough to think it's ok.

No. 15488

>>15361
I knew I forgot something, my bad

No. 15489

>>15330
I think we should make terf shiba a thing, dogs who are know to dislike men still don't like troons and it would make the anime avatar weeb troons seethe kek

No. 15500

Reminder to myself that arguing with gender cultists is not a productive thing to do with my time because they are so deep in the ideology that they will never listen to science, reason or logic.

No matter how much compassion you come with, no matter how accommodating you try to be or any amount of using their language will ever reach them. Go talk to and warn normal people about their ways instead.

Shout out to any detrans nonas lurking the thread, it's not easy to get out of a cult mentality but you did it!

No. 15502

I wish I had peaked about troons and men before I picked my career path. I'm stuck in gamedev and its hell. I hate that I love what I do because it takes women and chews them up and spits them out until they troon out, pander to moids, or quit. Watching what happened to the Harry Potter game almost got me outted as a terf several times. I cried after realizing how much everyone in this culture truly hates women. "JKR deserves a bullet to the head." Was something someone said and no one batted an eyelash. It feels like thought police on the daily.
Okay sorry for vent. When I have enough money saved up I'll start an all radfem indie studio or something. Is there anywhere left in the states where I could do that and be safe from being sued for discrimination and troons wrath in general? Ah whatever. Pipe dream for now

No. 15505

>>15502
This reminds me of something Is aw recently, where a successful TiM concept artist talked about how he didn't understand the alleged discrimination against women in gamedev until he transitioned and all of his work dried up. I genuinely wanted him to neck himself because it's so stereotypical of men to not believe women until it becomes an issue for them. I'd be willing to bet money that he thinks he has it even worse than women because he's a TRANS woman.

No. 15506

>>15489
I agree because I literally owned the shiba plush in picrel when I was in a relationship with my TiF ex and had to throw it out after she violently stalked me post-breakup because anything I owned associated with her was so upsetting. Looking back, there were so many stupid things in that relationship that should have peaked me and I would like to change my associations with miss shiba plush to ones of trouncing troons instead of feelings of being terrorized by one.

No. 15507

>>15481
How are LGB rights going in your country? There's so much fearmongering from TRAs here in North America about how reducing trans rights is a slippery slope to making homosexuality illegal again.

No. 15511

>>15502
I'd throw my money at a terf indie studio so fast nona!
On the other hand, pandering to troons means they pay for your work, they are unknowingly giving their hard earned money to a terf. If they knew they'd seethe kek

As an industry pro, do you think a game dev studio that doesn't pander to troons may secretly be against it? Given how hardcore everyone panders to virtue signal now when I see a small indie dev that is just 100% silent on the issue I get my hopes up a bit.

No. 15512

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>>15489
>>15506
Terf shiba is our new queen

No. 15513

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>>15512
all shibas are terfs, not just in plush form

No. 15514

>>15507
I'm from Sweden so we are VERY embracing of sexualities, I honestly think there is no way gay people will lose any rights whatsoever because it's not even a hot topic here the way it is in other places.

The problem for the US (as I see it from here) is the homophobes are against "trans rights" exactly because they see it as gay (ironically a lot of trans people are trans because they're homophobic too). To them there's no difference to gay or trans, it's the same thing. So in a way they're right, that homophobic group would like to ban gay rights too.

Maybe I'm optimistic when I think that won't happen, but because the people peaking and actually seeing and pointing out issues with the trans ideology tend to be people who were in it themselves or who are victims of it (like gay people) who are very much NOT homophobes I think it won't happen. I think trans stuff will be banned not because of the rights homophobes, but because the left got fed up and don't want to see more children hurt.
This whole time the trans ideology has been painting themselves as victims of threats that don't actually exist, so I don't buy it.

No. 15515

>>15502
I've had the same pipe dream of an indie radfem game studio and also an indie radfem animation studio too. troon wrath about a game or media can end up being a free advertising campaign - hogwarts legacy being the biggest example but there was some indie game (heartbeat) made by a lesbian radfem couple and troons crying about it caused tons of people to buy the game.
>>15505
what's his name? I get the feeling his work probably dried up after trooning out because nobody wants to deal with working with a deranged troon male unless they have to

No. 15519

>>15511
ayrt
Honestly probably, at least in the US. I wouldn't say for sure since I haven't really experienced a studio like that but it's super easy to post about trans rights on social media so anyone who doesn't is just losing out on free woke points. Esp if they do post about women or LGB it seems likely? I've worked more in the AAA sphere of gamedev so I could be completely off the mark when it comes to indie politics.

No. 15522

Thinking about how trans ideology can't last no matter what they do. They decided everyone can be trans just by saying the words, and it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny or in law once people look into it.
It's not "what is a woman" that can't be defined, it's "what is trans" that doesn't have a logical answer. They're screwed by their own doings.

No. 15539

Back when I identified as trans, it was ironically a straight friend's very argumentative boyfriend who peaked me. I don't think he had any actual stakes in the discussion but he kept insisting that it didn't make sense for the T to be included in LGBT because it doesn' have discernable relation to the rest of the original acronym. As much as I argued for what I believed at the time to be the historical significance of troons to LGBT rights, his stance that troons were something separate that should be their own thing was undeniable. It really got me thinking.
It was a small thing in the scale of things, but getting that kind of reality check from a total normie who didn't have ill intentions aside from a known love of debate (almost to an excessive extent) was the start of it all looking back.

No. 15554

I really cannot stand my residual TRA/gendie "friends" anymore. I'm losing patience. Any discussion if moderately difficult topics, from historical issues to modern politics, are met with nothing more than a pathetic, "oh no,,,". The stress and anxiety that comes with confronting the real world is far too much for them, it seems, despite these topics being things that affect people they claim to care about. All performative wokeness that lets them easily pat themselves on the back for doing the bare minimum of not being an outright bigot about issues. And so, it doubly enrages me when the only politically-tinged topics that recur are those of "trans wins" or witch hunts against TERFs who they all proudly say they've mass blocked as a group. Very mask off behavior. So when it comes to issues of systematic oppression on axes of economic class, nationality, and ethnicity, it's too much for you? It's too much for you to care about the basic frustrations of women or lesbians? But trans issues you have no issue "boldly" facing full-frontal? Ironic, considering how you assert that transphobia is so severe that simple misgendering kills. I hate you. I hate liberals, and I especially hate lily livered white, middle-class liberals who have never had to and will never have to confront issues of systematic and generational abuse.
Troonism is the entitled coward's fighting front. These fools crucify themselves for self-gratification and even their trauma in troonism is as handcrafted as they believe their bodies can be.

No. 15556

>>15522
It becomes clearer ever day that transgenderism is just a fad. "This outfit is so gender" and such just means it's literally just a fashion statement for girls/fetish for males disguised as a revolutionary, rebellious thing.
Unfortunately it'll leave a lot of victims of the medical industry but at least we can be sure it'll pass eventually.

No. 15559

>>15130
> My four most important interests are populated by gendies.
> All the terfs in this Latin American country are polilez who won’t hide their distaste for bisexuals
Are you Brazilian, by any chance? Almost any nerdish fandom here is infested with gendies or alt-right tradcels, and even shitty normie fanbases like Big Brother or pop divas are full of libfems and HSTSs.
And about the “gender critical” bubble from here, it's just a bunch of polilezzies, goldstars and TEHMs acting edgy together against the “BTQIAP+” and then stabbing each other in the back a short time later. They’re so retarded and cultist that’s even funny sometimes, like the fact that they discovered MacKinnon is pro-tranny just last week and are crying about it. I imagine they'll commit suicide if they discover Dworkin's views on incest and bestiality, lmao.

>>7528
> changed her name to Noah, despite being Latin American
There are several "Noah"s here, it must be one of the most common TIF names along with "Bernardo".

No. 15561

>>15554
Get new friends nona. Perhaps do some light rants and make fun of people (acting like it's not them) who are just performative activists or who do the things they do, just make the target another group.
Like "I saw this gay gay who blocked all lesbians on sight saying they were triggering him, isn't that immature? Who blocks an entire group of people just like that instead of being open to meaningful mature conversation, only an idiot would act like that, he should grow up". Not the best example, but basically take exactly what they're doing but pretend it's someone else doing it to another group and ridicule that behaviour. If it backfires and they disagree with you keep in mind that you can always pull out the trans card: "but this gay guy was actually doing it to trans lesbians, he's totally being transphobic" kek

No. 15563

>>15561
samefagging but we need to go back to subtly socially shaming and conditioning these people. They talk about trans people? Don't reply, switch the topic, wait a bit too long with responding and only give unsatisfying unmeaningful answers that don't continue the conversation. If they switch to another topic, reward them with taking part in a fun conversation and attention, compliments and so on. Make it so they associate talking about trans things as being boring and not getting a response, while talking about other things gets them attention and a good time.

No. 15572

>>15561
>>15563
I'm going to be real with you, thid would work on my normie friends who don't already have deeply entrenched views on the issue between a surface-level belief that trans rights = human rights. But none of this is really going to work on my terminally online gendie/TRA friends– they're not Pavlovian dogs, as much as I don't respect their opinions on this shit. They're not stupid, they're just staggeringly priviliged with a victim complex from being trans, and you can never underestimate how far white troons will go with their mental gymnastics to believe they're in the moral highground. I wish it was as simple as a game of association, but it's not. I don't think even repeated and prolonged abuse from an actualy group of troons would peak these people.
I just need to leave.

No. 15580

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Trans didn't do shit until the '00 and they started to whine since gay marriage was legal since 2015. I swear if I hear another "is because of us that LGB rights were made"…

No. 15582

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>>15489
I like those stories where the dog is "transphobic" because they bark to men and it hurts TIMs ego. No, bro, they just can see you're a dude.

No. 15587

>>15582
same, it's nice to know that no animal ever respects gender identity and goes fully on what sex someone is, and they can always tell kek

No. 15589

>>15572
>I just need to leave
You're right, you really do need to leave nona! They have sick extremist views that quite literally include promotion of physically harming children. Every extremist of any side thinks they're morally superior and in the right, they will never change their mind and they're not ever worth being friends with. When I distanced myself from my woke TRA friends and my parents noticed I wasn't hanging out with them anymore I straight up sat them down and told them the truth that I can't be friends with extremists who want to harm children. It just goes against my morals. As a bonus they're now peaked and get the severity of trans views.

No. 15607

I've been trying to slowly peak my TRA boyfriend over the past couple months and despite having to dance around the gendie topic a bit, I expressed some of my viewpoints surrounding it and he surprisingly seemed to understand and agree with what I said. However around the same time I noticed that he uses this browser extension called "Shinigami Eyes" (https://shinigami-eyes.github.io/) that highlights whether a page online is transphobic or otherwise. I confronted him about it and what the criteria for "transphobia" was and of course it focuses mostly on feminists speaking up about their experiences as women.

What I don't understand is why the fuck doesn't something like this exist for other groups? Why isn't there one for general homophobia? Racism? ACTUAL Nazi shit? What about, and I may be asking for too much here, misogyny? Why is transphobia considered the worst thing on the planet now? Why are we virtually wrapping trannies up in protective bubblewrap? Fuck off.

I hope someday a talented radfem girly makes a browser extension that does this but for misogynists and anti-feminists specifically. Or if one already exists, please let me know where to get it.

No. 15609

>>15607
Good luck with the peaking nona. Maybe that browser would be useful in finding terf content to consume kek

No. 15610

>>15609
i actually installed it myself once i found out what the extension was called for that exact purpose lmao

No. 15611

>>15609
>>15610
Genuinely sounds like a good idea! If a site doesn't have a "transphobia" warning I'd get sus because surely they must then pander to troons

No. 15625

>>15607
dump him before he troons out

No. 15639

>>15607
The point of that extension is censorship, not protecting troon feelings. If a troon supporter inadvertently visits a terf blog, chances are it will be logical and rational and empathetic, not the comically evil pseudo nazism trannies accuse us of. It might peak them and prove how full of shit TRAs are, a worst case scenario for troon ideology.

That doesn't apply the other way around. Homophobes, racists and misogynists are not going to convince people to 'switch sides', seeing their posts is more likely to convince you of how awful they truly are. Like, lots of women don't realise just how much men hate us so it would honestly benefit them to be exposed to what men really say about us. It wouldn't benefit feminists to hide that stuff since it can only prove their point.

No. 15640

Positive vent, I guess?
I think a friend that used to be really into the TRA movement has started to peak. We are a very close-knit group of four friends, and three of us have always been very openly gender critical when we meet as a group while she would either argue for troons or just look uncomfortable. But when she got pregnant her discomfort during gender critical discussions seemed to start leaning more towards "I don't know what to think anymore" and now that she is a mother of a baby girl she seems to be slowly peaking, yesterday when we met up one of us had a long rant about the whole HER twitter drama and she just looked absolutely DISGUSTED the entire time. The time we met before that she let it slip that yeah, the gendie movement has gone too far and needs to stop but bit her tongue right after. We are pretty sure that she is on the verge of peaking, but she is also feeling a bit ambivalent since her close childhood friend is super into the whole TRA cult so we can't blame her for possibly feeling stuck right now.

No. 15645

>>15640
That's great nona! You have a golden opportunity to peak her now. I would try to peak her further by focusing on mother-baby things like troons getting into support groups for female infertility (when they're perfectly able to get a woman pregnant) and how male drug induced nipple secretion isn't in any way benefital for a baby and the men are doing it as a lactation and feeding fetish that the baby can't consent to. Imagine growing up and being told you as a baby were forced to suck a mans (who's probably your legal guardian) nipples, the absolute violation it would feel like even if you had no memories of it.
Maybe even share some screenshots of drag queens reading for little kids getting caught for pedophilia again and again… yet no pro-troon person is saying anything about it, surely if they wanted to keep kids safe they'd throw out the pedos the second they find out, but no they just let them keep going and pretend it deosn't happen. Or like reddit did, banned the word "groomer" so victims can't speak up at all and the pedos are protected.

I don't know how old her baby is, but you could also point out that mothers are claiming their kids are trans almost right after birth, but certainly at 2-3 years old. Does that make sense to someone who has a baby on her own?

But also focus on how you think people who are pro-trans aren't all super evil and that most of them have just been mislead by lies and had good intentions at the start, so she doesn't have to think her TRA friend is evil - just ignorant and mislead.

No. 15675

One of my roomates is leaving for a few months later this year so she’s subleasing her room to one of her friends without letting me know beforehand
But the person moving into the room next to me is a they/them TiF who does illegal tattoos and changed her name to one of the 3 “enby names.”
I seriously do not want to be made to play along with her gendie shit because she thinks she’s too unique and special to be a stinky girl but I think my best bet is to just ignore her entirely so I don’t get evicted kek. Advice is appreciated though

No. 15677

>>15607
There aren't extensions for those other things because, unfortunately, a high amount of programmers are trannies.

No. 15678

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anyone else notice the gradual shift from male/female and man/woman to "masculine" and "feminine"? why do trannies have to drag us all backwards

No. 15683

My cousin has gotten really in to gender stuff and it's driving me nuts, I know that MtF trannies are a million times worse but dear god I've wanted to bash my brains out being around my cousin all week. She's trans non binary (Tif) or whatever, and she frequently brings it up every five seconds, and is constantly on facetime with a genderspecial goblin who is also just a Tif. It's mostly just irritating when she gets on a roll of talking about this stuff, it's pretty clear she wants me to acknowledge it but I've been ignoring it and instead continue talking about whatever is actually on-topic. I had to listen to her and the goblin friend (who is autistic) rant about a coworker who is "totally transphobic" despite that coworker ALSO BEING GENDERSPECIAL AND CLEARLY AUTISTIC. I do not understand their gender rivalries with each other. They are all exactly the same, middle class girls who work at starbucks and have various mental illnesses and nothing better to do than compete with each other over who can invent the most family trauma from their parents asking them to pay their phone bills.

It's so sad to see what she's become, she's genuinely hostile and kind of aggressive. She immediately snaps at people and constantly complains, it's easiest to just say "okay" and move on so she doesn't have a meltdown. She has a therapist but it sounds like it's the kind that enables all this. The one funny thing though is that she constantly has freudian slips, she'll call the goblin friend by female pronouns and she referred to herself today as a woman rather than a nonbinary transfemme whatever.

On a separate note I live very close to San Francisco and am regularly there, the entirety of Mission District is a cesspool of trans shit. Yesterday I saw a really ugly one in an empanada place. He had purple hair and terrible fashion and looked like a man because he was a man. 'Ate troons, 'ate San Francisco, love me cousin and wish she'd go back to normal

No. 15687

>she's genuinely hostile and kind of aggressive.
The fact that this behavior is so common with troons really shows how the movement is led by moids, they learn from each other how this aggressive behavior is okay but anyone with a brain would understand that this isn't the way to convince someone of your stance or win them over. They're so brainwashed by this scrotey behavior.

No. 15688

>>15683
It's hilarious to me whenever I see a troon working at my local Starbucks and they're gone within a month. They all heard that Starbucks' health plan covered troon surgeries, but didn't realize that you have to be full time for six months or something like that. They legitimately think that you can sign up for surgeries the week after they get hired part-time kek.

No. 15689

>>15675
I think ignoring her is the way to go. Just minimum politeness so it's not obvious. It's better than having a male troon around but you could still take note of all the bad things she's doing and when, if possible take pics without her noticing (like if she refuses to clean up or keeps making a mess or something so you have it documented). Note down annoying troon friends she brings over too.

And big warning if she's a testosterone taking tif - if it's T-gel it could transfer over to you and give you health issues from skin touch (goes through clothes) so in that case don't get close to her at all. It's a personal question to ask if it's gel specifically rather than injections or whatnot, so I'd just make sure to not touch her or her clothes if she has the T changes of facial hair and froggy voice and so on just to be safe. Also don't sit in a sofa she's been in or such as well. Don't let her touch your stuff either.

No. 15690

>>15678
It's because of a few things.
First and foremost; transgender is mostly just a fashion trend and after a while the new people want to change it up to make it feel like their own thing, while essentially doing the same thing. Just like how it used to be all about "style", then "aesthetics" and then people moved on to "core". Same meaning, different words.

Secondly, it's "safer" and protects them against backlash. Wearing a suit once doesn't make a girl a boy but she can still claim it makes her more masculine without anyone being able to really disagree. And she still gets to be a cool oppressed trans kid becuse she's actually transmasc and not boring old cis.

But the worst part is medical practitioners are pushing it to protect themselves.
I heard GC medical people talk about it recently, how it's shifted from "treat horrible gender dysphoria" to "realize and affrim their gender goals". Meaning if you send an obvious delusional autist into having her breast removed and she later detransitions because it didn't help and now wants to sue - she no longer can, because they never claimed it was to "fix dysphoria", they only claimed to help her reach her goal of looking masculine and now she looks more masculine so she can't complain.

I also think they've started to notice people are peaking and are realizing you can't turn a man into a woman - but you CAN turn him feminine so if they focus on that part the pesky terfs can't complain and transwomen get to be seen as legit women if it's all about feminine gender steretypes. Anything to make it not be about sex and biology.

No. 15691

>>15683
Maybe dropping little not so subtle hints like "you used to be so happy and nice before the trans stuff now all you do is complain"

I've actually considered going to a therapist despite being in a good place mentally to complain about trans stuff just to see how they react. I know how to argue gender critical points for myself if they try to call me transphobic kek At the very least it would give them the perspective of having met someone negatively impacted by trans ideology.

I've also considered doing it as an experiment to see if they affirm me immediatedly if I come in as a undercover "cis" person saying I think I might be trans and then bringing up the fact that I was an autistic tomboy as a kid and making sure to mention all my would be red flags to see if they take any kind of note of it. See how far I could push it without having to make things up and without lying or acting, like would me saying "I just want to escape sexism" make them react? But I think it would be more useful if a journalist did it. Then again it would be interesting if a whole bunch of people did it to different therapists and they all were pushed to transition and we could use it as proof that "gender affirmation" has always been a scam and not therapy.

No. 15692

>>15330
I have an idea: use IMDb account to add new keywords to various movies about transgenders. For example, to a movie about a TIF I added keywords like “misogyny”, “grooming”, “sexism”. Anything hinting at the sexism (of the idea of troonism), how it hurts women and girls etc. will work. Now I’ll think about some “subtle” keywords for TIMs media, to hint it’s wrong and grotesque nature.

No. 15703

>>15692
Speaking of the word "grooming", are there other synonyms to the word? I'm ASL so idk all the terms in English but just the other day I saw a gay mutual who in every other aspect is a decent person, but he's completely brainwashed about trans stuff, say that you should NEVER believe the word groomer when it's used for ANY LGBTQ+ person. It shocked me (but not really, because it's what thd cult preaches) that he acted like LGBT people are all innocent 100% of the time. As if a gay or TIM has never groomed or raped a kid ever, and those kids are supposed to just shut up and never talk about their trauma. Point is, they've ruined the word and won't see it for what it is so I'm wondering if there are other words meaning the same thing that can be used to talk about it without them reeeing at the sight of "groomer".

No. 15705

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Looking up tips on any kind of storytelling, or what mistakes to avoid always now results in them smugly spitting out "don't forget to add gender representation, and if you're trying to justify an all cis white setting you're RACIST and a TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT you piece of trash". Why the fuck are they all advocating for tokenized representaion just for the sake of it? It's so gross to force yourself to write in a gender special themby or racial minority just for the sake of feeling progressive. And why exactly do I need to write in transwomen and transmen, you're saying they don't feel representated by regular men and women, huh? Now why could that be…

I've honestly at no point in my life even been bothered by an all male cast in a game, book or movie. Nor have I ever been bothered by an all non-white cast. A good story is a good story, I do not need to see myself represented at all.

And I'm not going to write in a gender confused themby just so I can confused people with the shitty use of pronouns. I think it's a lot safer to fully leave out all transness than to even try to please the trans crowd, if they think you're "on their side" they expect you to 100% submit to their every whim. And it's just going to age like milk and you'll forever have it in your finished work that you were simping for the child-castrating side of history. People studying your work in the future will have to do a little section of "this author/creator had problematic views that we have now outgrown as a society".

No. 15710

Gender has never been a spectrum.

Male and female are not opposite ends of each other. There is no vagina-to-dick spectrum where a short dick is "closer to being a vagina" than a long dick, or a vagina is "more dick than other vaginas" because the labia happens to be longer. So there is no spectrum between male and female to begin with. There are only 2 kinds of people, and sometimes they have developmental disorders that affect these 2 sexes differently simply because evolution isn't perfect. Being born with a disability doesn't make you non-human, and being born with a sexual disorder doesn't make you not that sex. It's SO simple, why are people acting like it's hard to understand?

There are 2 spectrums. One is female and one is male. They do not overlap at all, they are simply parallel and sometimes mimic each other. There is no third non-binary spectrum. There is no forth agender spectrum.

No. 15712

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I remember in the past that I believed the "true trans" and now I wonder if there really was a person who, before surrendering to the transition, tried to live in another way or to find a solution that alleviates their "dysphoria"

No. 15713

>>15712
There's plenty "repressors", as they call themselves, who spend years fighting the urge to troon.

No. 15714

>>15705

I deliberately avoid writing trans people into anything I write because it instantly dates it. They switch up what the "correct" terminology is every two years and then declare everything that doesn't use it is twanzphobic, even if it was "correct" when it was written. I just spare myself the grief by ignoring them all together.

No. 15715

>>15712
Even if an extremely small minority benefit more than they're harmed by trans medicalization (which is a metric fuckton and a burden on society and themselves and everyone who cares for them) that still doesn't actually make them change sex in any way shape or form.

I don't think there is ethical "trans care" that plays into the delusion at all. Every medical provider of surgery and hrt should be legally bound to tell their clients they can't change their sex, only their appearance. I think for those extremely few that are helped they're all old school trans who know they aren't ever going to change sex and are freely able to state so out loud and in public. Naturally they'd also use the correctly sexed spaces, and if they choose to appear in such a way that other members of their sex could be a threat to them then it's on them to find a solution for it. Like finding an alternative unisex bathroom. That's a struggle they chose to have.

No. 15716

>>15712
I don't think there are any studies proving trans medical care is better than other treatments/ placebo treatments. But of course they're not gonna admit that could be the case even when they're trutrans. There are plenty of detrans people who are no longer having dysphoria even though they legit felt it before. And the fact that trans care supposedly helps trans people by lessening/removing it too is proof that even TRA admit dysphoria is a thing that CAN go away and be managed. Because that is literally their goal and argument for transition. Meaning the same thing should be able to be achieved through other methods even in their brainwashed eyes. But even TRA don't want other ways to help trans people, they just blindly follow what they're told to say.

No. 15718

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These shirt should be read as "A person with homophobia is an angel without wings".

No. 15719

>>15718
An angel without wings is a normal human being, and humans with wings don't exist. So a woman without a penis is a normal person, and women with penises don't exist. The shirt is a self-own.

No. 15731

>>15719
Had the same thought "so they don't exist" kek

No. 15733

>>15607
there is a terfigami version of that extension for firefox.it flips the colors around.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/terfigami-eyes/

No. 15738

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trannies just drag us all back man. not looking forward to the barbie movie releasing because every libfem and troon i know is SO hype for more "femme" content huehue. fuck off retards

No. 15740

anyone else roll their eyes at pics of "passing" troons being used as a gotcha to "we can always tell" when they had to have a shit ton of the most expensive surgeries in the world, then slather their face in makeup to get to that point of passing at a glance, and that's still only if they were lucky enough to have been born on the smaller side of male and/or were abused by being put on puberty blockers as a kid
Like oof yeah you got us, totally passing, good for him, but now that I know for a fact he is male I can never unlearn that fact and will always know he's a man despite all those efforts so what was the point again?

No. 15742

>>15733
How do we know it's not a man trying to steal your info?

No. 15744

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Not a vent but the opposite really, but recent tweets like this give me so much hope

No. 15745

>>15744
Can any zoomers confirm? I'm late 20s and out of touch with the youth, but I've always hoped that trans would eventually just become lame and dated and die like any other fad

No. 15746

>>15745
Basically what I've noticed is that non trannies were just tolerating them because they thought trannies were just "born that way" like gay people, but the extreme misogyny and mental illness plus the contradictory statements made by trannies themselves are making normal zoomers really tired. The only people who really hated jkr were tras themselves. The vast majority of zoomers still like Harry Potter. Most zoomers (if they aren't misogynistic moids) are fairly supportive of lgb, but ive noticed that trannies make them annoyed. From disrespecting female athletics to being the porn poisoned boys they avoid in school, many of my normie classmates from highschool and in college are becoming increasingly put off by trannies. Actual gay zoomers (like me) are getting tired of spicy straights and bihets telling us we need to fuck trannies. Back when I had Tumblr more then a few of my lesbian mutuals just paid lip service to trannies on main while they complained about them on their terf sideblogs. Its not a tide turning but more like finally telling the spoiled kids no

No. 15747

>>15740
Yes and any photo editing done to it too. A photo is just a single moment and for lack of a better term, a photo flattens it's subject. The viewer doesn't get all the information from a photo. Any troon will be easily clocked in real life. Everyone gets on fat girls for catfishing through angles, so they should get on troons too.

No. 15751

>>15745
A few libfems have peaked but its mostly normies who were supportive but weren't fully aware who have turned against them and really troons themselves are the one's responsible, they act like massive degenerates and its very obvious for everyone to see

No. 15754

I’m so sick of trannies. They’re everywhere in my daily life and it just feels so inescapable constantly having to hear about this shit. I’m sick of hearing about hormones, I’m sick of hearing about gender, I’m so fucking sick of being around trannies. I feel like I’m suffocating under it. I just want it to finally end, I want to be free of this.

No. 15755

>>15754
My respite from going insane was realizing it's a religion/spiritual belief not based on (and in direct opposition of) any science. So I treat them the way I do religious people, with slight pity. I wouldn't yell in a christian or muslims face that god isn't real, I kind of just smile and nod and ignore their delusions. "You'll go to hell/genocide trans people if you do that" sure grandpa, let's get you to bed so I can go talk to other less insane people how tragic it is that you live your life in fear of a made up threat tht doesn't exist and attack others for it.

No. 15756

>>15755
samefag, it REALLY gets TRA annoyed when you point out gender is a spiritual belief kek but I like to drop it in casually here and there just so passing by normies who read it have a chance to realize that's what it is and now have words to use for it. Literally the ONLY argument they've given me back is "no it's not!!!!!" yet none of them offer an explaination or proof to me being wrong. It's especially useful to use it about they/thems who claim they're not their sex, it just becomes more obviously ridiculous when they're essentially claiming to not be human (because we only come in male/female)

No. 15764

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>>15751
>>15746
The world is healing

No. 15765

>>15744
>>15764
more of this please!

No. 15766

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The more people see how trans people really act the more they peak

No. 15768

I wish we had an easy to access resource with anti-troon science and how to deal with it.

Like how to deal with being asked to use pronouns in bio at work. You'd have easy access to both polite and appropriate arguments against it, as well as high quality science supporting your claims AND ones disproving theirs.
(As a side note, seems like the best action for this is to make them do an internal anonymous vote for if employees want mandatory pronouns or not. Most normal people vote no.)

People know there are only 2 sexes and that men shouldn't be in women's only spaces. But they lack the words to say it in fear of sounding like bigots or being rude, and trans ideology pretends to be scientific and most people lack the confidence to refute it. If those sources were easy to access it could help so many people feel confident.

No. 15771

>>15769
And UK nonas there's help re trans inclusive policies still relevant to adults. scroll down.

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/schools-resources-and-policies/

No. 15772


No. 15776

>>15744
Looked up this tweet because I was curious about the second tweet, and so many in the response tweets have children roughly the same age or younger that are openly fed up with the whole thing. Could change finally be coming?

No. 15780

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>>15776
I think so yes! Just like how hipsters were genuinely seen as cool for a few years but then became incredibly cringe until the trend died out, transtrending is getting old and unfashionable, and half of the people they meet who are trans are either awkward autist girls or coomer males, they're simply not cool people you want to be like.

There's also that restaurant saying that goes something like: "one happy customer might tell one other person about it if you're lucky, but an unhappy customer will tell everyone they know how shit the food was". Detrans people are increasing every day, and every one of them permanently peaks more people and exposes the industry. Once you've found out the gender wizard of Oz is a fraud you can't unpeak from the knowledge.

No. 15782

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sorry if I spam terf shiba memes, I meant to only make one but it's so cathartic and I get to look at cute dog pics

No. 15783

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No. 15784

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>>15744
>>15776
here are some replies if other nonas are curious

No. 15787

>>15782
terf shiba anon you are so blessed

No. 15788

>>15559
Not Brazilian but we’re neighbors down the south!
What you describe sounds very similar to what we have here, actually. It’s funny how the more internet access a South American country has, the higher the chance for pronoun fads and muh misgendering panic attack, such non issues that didn’t even have a name a couple of years ago, and now we have to revolve society around them.
> . I imagine they'll commit suicide if they discover Dworkin's views on incest and bestiality, lmao.
kek nonnie, true that. You’re right on the backstabbing tendencies. It feels kinda weird to see gendies destroying each other in one hand over petty flag discourse, and in then the other extreme, a handful of pollilezzies holding each other by the throat over gold starness when 99% are likely just traumatized hets. I do feel like Im losing my mind sometimes.

No. 15792

>Discover cool fun thing
>See fun content of said thing from fandom of thing
>Investigate fandom of thing
>Screeching trannies and genderlords everwhere
>Profound disappointment

Many such cases. Sad.

No. 15793

>>15792
the problem is you need to find those small hidden communities of the fandoms, the big mass is always trash

No. 15795

>>15792
>finally find a person that isn't trans and doesn't have a million contrived trans headcanons
>their blog is 50% braindead takes about evil terves and twans youth anyway
If anyone ever finds a fandom where nobody cares about this shit, please let me know. I will check out any piece of media if there's a chance I could talk about it online without encountering this.

No. 15796

I'm so tired of troons invading spaces for children especially little girls.
Tranny flags in every childrens store.
I wanted to take my daughter to the bippity boppity boutique but they have a moid working there now apparently. Disgusting neckbeard with makeup and a dress on doing little girls hair.
The women that yass queen these men upset me too.

No. 15797

>>15796
Do these women not remember how scary adult men could be to them as little girls? Not even threatening ones, but just your average adult man has this aggressive aura that women don't. And while far from all men working with children have ulterior motives they're still far more likely to have them, and the gender cult literally encourages and welcomes open pedophiles as long as they pretend to be some flavor of trans. I honestly think 99% of all men who want to work with children from the trans crowd are doing it for sexual reasons, be it pedophilia or for their own AGP validation.

No. 15798

I think I've vented about this before but… the whole "trans women are women" deabte is so meaningless! Even if we granted them the label, heck even if they were by some biological magic women, they'd STILL be a completely different kind of woman. They'd have NONE of the physical vulnerabilities of real women, and they'd be indistinguishable from men (despite in this scenario not being men) so they'd pose the EXACT same threats to real women that men do, and they'd need NONE of the unique protection from men that real women do. No matter how far you push the label woman to include them, it just never adds up - because women and men are biologically different. Men can never be women. Sucks for them, but they have to make peace with it on their own and leave women alone.

No. 15799

Made the decision to quit my job because my boss hired a troon (legit scary 6ft tall black dude with the broadest shoulders and deep ass voice) at a location where it would be just the two of us working and a back room area with no security cameras. Yeeaaahhh no. Now I'm stuck at a shitty minimum-wage position and I hate this world so much. I'm just so glad I found this place and don't have to feel as alone.

No. 15800

>>15799
Good call nona. Being alone with a moid like that is scary even if he isn't a troon, and statistically 50% of convicted troons are rapist so he's more likely to be one than your regular moid

No. 15801

I know I'm trash for watching him and it's a retarded take but I'm tinfoiling that Cinnamon toast Ken is transphobic/gender critical, because he's old kek and because I haven't seen him pander to troons the way all youtubers do even when he talks about topics directly involving troons.

The unwritten trans-ally law is as soon as a trans person is mentioned the youtuber has to take a moment to talk about how oppressed they are, how much they personally support and love trans people and that transphobia is super duper bad. I see this pandering in the most random videos not even about troons, so to have someone like Ken ridicule a troon without making it a troon thing openly (in a video about plastic surgery addiction) is honestly refreshing. He also talks a lot about how his wife updates him on internet drama/gossip so I'm also suspecting she's a secret terf, because it would be nearly impossible for someone to follow internet drama to not be in contact with troon content, and if she was a woke trans ally she'd force it onto her husband the way they all do.

My new hobby is secret terf/gc spotting kek

No. 15802

>>15801

Sage bc OT but I watched the same video and he accidentally misgendered the TIM like 2 or 3 times kek. I feel like he just doesn't care about the whole discourse. He is still friends and makes videos with Pewdiepie who has been a big edgelord in the past. With them being older and becoming parents they probably are just more focused on their family than stupid pandering to trans people on the internet.

No. 15803

i just want someone to explain to me why trans"women" are so special? what about them makes them so worthy of so much attention and praise and deference, like they are gods? why are their imaginary rights so much more powerful than anyone else's on this earth? no one can ever tell me why these people need so much protection in society? they're men who wake up one day and decide that they were born in the "wrong" body. it's not the same thing as race, which you can't change. whatever shit they go through in life they typically bring on themselves. i see how trans"women" behave. they're either mentally ill perverts, raging misogynists, or sexually deviant gay men who like baiting straight guys into having sex with them. there's so much propaganda in the media to present these people as being persecuted or that they've been around for a millennia (that two spirit bullshit) that it's insane.

No. 15804

>>15803
White, male autists with connections to big tech and big pharma, who constantly scream about how they'll kill themselves if they don't get their way Now Now Now. By caring about the tranny, shitty men, handmaidens, and the otherwise uninformed get to feel like they're wonderful, respectful individuals and conveniently ignore all of the other world issues going on because the twans snowflakes are all too happy to get the attention instead. And will shriek very loudly if they get anything less.

No. 15806

does anyone else think about making "bathtub hrt" but just selling placebos or sugar pills to make a quick buck? I think about doing it to help pay tuition and filling it with fake reviews and update pics. It would be cool ig but I don't want to slip up and get killed by a deranged troon. Any nonnas have advice? condolences? words of wisdom?

No. 15807

>>15782
>>15780
These are cute.

No. 15808

>>15801
>My new hobby is secret terf/gc spotting kek
Which other youtubers do you think are sercretly gc? I desperately want to believe Michelle McDaniels is, she just doesn't feel the drama is worth the trouble.

No. 15811

>>15808
I 100% think Michelle McDaniels is a terf, but in the normie way. I don't think she'd go on lc or anything, but she's already said pronouns are hard and silly and refuses to back down even when called out on misgendering. She's the kind of person that sees troon stuff and goes "lol no that's fucking dumb" and then goes on with her day. For troons that's the worst kind because she takes no bs and won't try to cater to them in an effort to be nice, they've got nothing on her.

I think because she's black and muscular she's probably been called manly enough time by troons that she rolls her eyes at them by default, she was never under the illusion that they're all "uwu innocent lil' beans that can do no harm to their fellow girlies".

No. 15812

>>15802
Love that he kept the misgendering in the video, even pointed it out with a quick "oopsie sorry", and that his audience is edgy enough that no one gives a shit. It almost felt like a subtle message saying "look we misgendered him because we don't see him as a female and we're still not getting cancelled". As if he's testing the waters and showing others that it's fine.
I really hope it stays that way and he doesn't have to grovel at troons feet and beg for their forgiveness in a week. We need more people to just ignore the troon tantrums. It almost makes me feel like his videos are a safe space knowing I won't be burned at the stake for being a terf lmao

No. 15813

>>15806
i often dream about scamming troons out of money but I'm too scared about getting caught to actually do it

No. 15814

>>15803
I rememeber reading that in the US a surprising amount of conservative rich people were "secretly" behind funding trans shit. And troons really are a gold mine for them.
>you get to replace females in power with men pretending to be female
>meaning you can ignore all female specific needs and only focus on what you as a men want
>you get to have the troons as medical cash cows for LIFE
>if you disagree with the troons, you can just cut their medical funding/access and they'll go away due to health complications
>you get to push sex stereotypes harder
>you get these gay men to appear straight (and if you're secretly into men you can now fuck them and still not be gay)
>you get to say gay men don't really exist/they're not real men, because they're trans
>you get to sterilize minority groups and mentally ill people, who happily sign up for it by themselves
>you get to control the population, both in "quality" and size
>you get to push and perform inhumane wanna-be-god medical experiments on humans you dislike
>you know it's a leftist topic so you get to watch them fall apart over it making your side stronger
>once it falls apart you get to blame it on the left and pretend you were against it all along
>Even after it's fallen apart, the troons are still your medical cash cows and the unwanted people still sterile

No. 15819

Forever infuriated about people blindly accepting literal opposites when it comes to troons.

Are they being genocided, or are they passing flawlessly because "you can't ever tell what is in someone's pants"?

Are they a super small minority, or do school classes where 70% of the kids are trans make sense and they're all valid?

Does wearing a dress mean a boy is possibly a girl, or do clothes not have anything to do with gender?

Can they make up their fucking minds, or better - shut the fuck up if they don't have anything logical to say.

No. 15822

One of the biggest trans shills I know got called out for making and selling inclusive content showing POC, trans and enbys when he's a "cis white (gay) guy" and thus earning money on their imagery. He's being pretty salty about it trying to prove himself as an ideal ally and using his gayness as a shield. I feel bad for him but he got himself into it, and he's throwing women under the bus in favor of AGPs anyway so idc. The trans crowd will NEVER be happy no matter how much you cater to them and they will always despise gay people, he's just not figured out he's catering to people who hate his guts yet.

No. 15830

Instagram has figured out that I'm some flavor of masculine woman because of my likes and who I follow, so now they've decided it's appropriate to pelt me with ads for binders (including binding swimwear? The last place I want my breathing and movement impaired is the open water) along with ftm body builders and their 'advice' posts on how to build a masculine physique. Why the fuck would I follow the advice of someone who's essentially roiding? It's obnoxious because it feels like it's encouraging poor self image, I'm already being inundated with memes about how much easier it would be to give up and just get on gear, and now I'm being shown women whose performance enhancing drugs are not only considered more socially acceptable, but prescribed.

No. 15835

>>15830
>Why the fuck would I follow the advice of someone who's essentially roiding?
Not even essentially, they're literally on anabolic steroids (assuming they take testosterone). Absolutely insane that they think they're in ANY position to talk about any kind of health when they're so fucking delusional and self hating they chop off healthy body parts and take extremely damaging drugs for the aesthetic of looking as not-female as possible. In reality they can't escape it, they don't get male bodies they just get roided damaged female bodies. Their bodies are just as female and womanly as the danitiest weakest pink loving girly girl. They can cry about the binary not being real all they want, but it's never going to change reality.

No. 15837

>>15784
This is sooo refreshing to see. I would just love to see these gender loons try to screech at and prosecute children for wrongthink, which of course would just end up peaking more and more people. Love to see it.

No. 15838

>>15806
Most of these troons are sexually deranged perverts. You could probably sell your own bath water and they'd buy it up. You could probably even just say it's your bath water and then just sell them plain soapy water kek.

No. 15842

>>15784
>>15837
I recently heard someone say about their own teen children that they were perfectly fine using pronouns for their trans classmates, however they didn't feel comfortable at all actually refering to them as the wrong sex. So basically in their mind they think "some boys go by she/her, I just have to remember to use it for those boys" rather than "that person is a girl, therefor I should use she/her", and the same for girls going by he/him or anyone going by they/them. It's funny to me that after all that preaching these kids still just see it as "some people use the wrong pronouns" and it changes nothing about how they actually view them.

I know it's a vent thread but I would LOVE it if more nonas posted little wins like this they come across, it gives me so much hope to see people peaking

No. 15845

>>15842
Something that I noticed from the younger ones (tweens and teens) in my family is that at first they accepted the trans shot. Then little bit by little bit, their “trans” classmates started getting on their nerves by having meltdowns about their gender and pronouns being “disrespected” by their teachers (one had an explosive violent tantrum because a teacher put her on the girls side for a gym game) that they just got tired of it. That and they saw a bunch of retarded shit done by trans activists on the news and internet that made them pissed off with them. Kids really do not care about tranners and just see them as a nuisance most of the time, and I’m glad they’re proving that just by existing. It’s sad that kids are getting indoctrinated into this bullshit, though, since I can clearly see that the “trans” kids I come across are usually socially withdrawn, don’t have many friends, and have severe behavioral issues that are all being overlooked so the parent could let them live as their “true self”.

No. 15846

>>15793
nta but sadly I have noticed that both TIMs and TIFs tend to be far more over represented in alt and niche communities.

No. 15848

>>15845
ugh i wish I could live as my true self and have people pander to me. Inside my head I'm a screaming asshole toddler that melts down when I don't get what I want but I made myself integrate into society with the help of family and therapy. I swear there are so many stupid fucking reasons to troon out but one of them is just refusing to be a functioning human being. They probably accept all the medical harm they do to themselves because at least they can have others take care of them because they actually are too sick to do anything. Can I identify as retarded so that I can get a pass to be a degen sometimes? I promise that is my TRUE SELF

No. 15849


No. 15850

>>15784
i wonder if my age group (twenties) is too far gone kek

No. 15855

>>15850
I think not, people's brains aren't fully developed until their mid-late 20s, so that happening + this group starting to have children on their own puts the trans ideology in a new light. It's one thing to be 18 and assume a 3 year old can totally know their true gender self, it's another to see your 3 year old daughter smear shit on the wall one day and then call a dog a kitty and throw a tantrum over having to wear socks the next, suddenly you realize kids are not that smart and aware of themselves. And suddenly the thought of men in dresses wanting to give her a lap dance and tell her to insert tampons becomes a real threat to her safety

No. 15857

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Stolen from another thread, but this is fucking hilarious. "Cis is a slur" has been a thing for years already so fair game really

No. 15858

just wanna say that i fucking hate trannies!!! i cant stand them anymore!! thank god that i have peaked.

No. 15859

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Nonas what is the most stupid/silly thing you used to believe about troons before peaking?

I'll go first I thought that study about "trans brains are closer to the other sex's brain than their own" was true because I saw it on tumblr. Of course I was maybe 15 and didn't know how to read a scientific study correctly in the first place, I never tried to read it myself and just let tumblr groom me into thinking it was legit valid proof because "surely someone has read it and is being truthful about it". Jesus was I naive and gullible. I don't think anyone in my tumblr circles had actually read it lmao

No. 15861

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>>15859
I didn't think they were real women but I believed they always existed through out history, but the more I actually read about them, I realized it was all just young boys being raped in misognystic societies and eunuch administrators or priests

No. 15862

>>15859
I don't think I ever actually believed any of it, I had a couple of trans friends already before the rise of tumblr so I didn't think all too much about it and just happy they found a way to be happier with themselves. But I could never convince myself they were 100% man or woman because I could still see male/female behavior in a lot of their reasonings. But I did fully buy into the "b-b-but I just wanna peeeee" argument for a while.

No. 15863

This woman I became friendly with via a fandom just announced her 10 year old daughter is "trans and pan". The girl just came out as "nonbinary" last year. It's honestly disgusting to see her daughter going down this path and how the fuck does she know what being pansexual is at 10?? If I actually knew this woman IRL I'm not sure what I'd do, because my first instict would be to report her. That's beyond creepy imo.

No. 15864

>>15859
That trans people are so rare I might see 1 or 2 in my lifetime, that all mtfs had surgeries to get their weiner cut off before taking their place in a womans bathroom, and that ftms never had surgeries of any kind just used the gel or whatever to grow their clit if they were kinda pervy in the agp type way. I also believed there were a LOT of medical and psychological clearances needed in order to begin transition and that the first step was to work with a psychotherapist to try to work on other underlying issues first…

No. 15868

>>15863
If a 10 year old is "coming out" something has gone very wrong. Kids should just be kids and not worry about the definitions of their dating preferences that they haven't even finished developing at that age

No. 15869

>>15859
That being trans was the mental disorder known as "gender dysphoria", people who just felt like they were born in the wrong body, when in reality the largest portion of trans people have always been the AGP who do it for a fetish. I think it may only have switched recently over to ROGD possibly being the largest group, because before girls were rarely trans at all and now it's the trendiest disorder to have.

No. 15870

>>15869
I hate the "born into the wrong body" talk. It is deeply disturbing that "gender dysphoria" is treated with hormonal injections and surgeries. These procedures are supposed to alter your body closer the shape your mentally ill mind wants it to be. Which is so, so wild to me.

Why is this so widely accepted? Shouldn't we be teaching kids to accept and keep healthy the bodies they were born with? If you look in the mirror and have suicidal ideation because you can't stand the shape of your body, the solution should be therapy that gives you tools for self-acceptance.

No. 15871

>>15859
I took their word for it that srs results "look just like the real thing" and are perfectly functional for sex. Then I saw pictures of the typical surgery results…

No. 15873

>>15870
>If you look in the mirror and have suicidal ideation because you can't stand the shape of your body, the solution should be therapy that gives you tools for self-acceptance.
They do give therapy for EVERY other body dysmorphic disorder, just not for trans people. Imagine if an anorexic went into therapy and all the therapist said was
>"yes, you know your body best, you really are fat! Of course we're going to help you reach your body goals through invasive surgery so you can finally be your true self. Do you want your stomach closed up and a lipo suction as your skinny-confirmation?"

No. 15876

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>>15857
Now every troon is saying "Cis has never been a slur", but they love to ignore picrel or any merch saying "die cis scum".

No. 15877

I got questioned if I would date a TiF today in front of the whole group chat (I'm straight). Wondering if they're suspecting I'm crypto somehow. Don't think I dodged it well. Sure felt like the times my family would ask/make sure I believe in God kek. I usually don't talk about feminism at all online outside of lc. Just keep it offline so I don't know how they would think to sus me out

No. 15878

>>15876
The trans movement has always been pushing for "misgendering" being bad, to the point that many of them want it to be illegal. Yet from day 1 people who do not believe in gender ideology or that they don't have a gender and do not identify with "cis" (which if anything would make them "agender" according to the ideology) are ridiculed and told they are wrong about their own gender identity. It doesn't add up. Calling someone who doesn't identify as cis by that word is no different than calling a transwoman a man, by their own rules and logic.
Either misgendering is an awful act of violence and hatred, or it's not. So which one is it?

No. 15879

>>15877
>Don't think I dodged it well.
What did you say and how did they react nona?

No. 15892

>>15879
I definitely wanted to say no I would never, but I first tried to ignore the question and pretend I didn't see it. Then someone else mentioned my name followed by "would you date a trans man. One with a vagina." I tried to play it off really casually as if I don't think too hard about such things so I said "I dunnoooo I guess I would have to meet them first." One of the people asking me this is a HSTS so I don't know what his angle was. The others in the chat are all women with no gendie label as far as I'm aware. After my response, the HSTS said he always sees everyone say they accept trans people but do not accept them as a romantic or sexual partners. No one else said anything and I ignored the comment. Eventually the subject changed. Idk if it's enough to be excommunicated and I'm worrying over nothing. I should mention this was an adult group chat about fictional 2d husbandos so it felt really out of left field. And again, I really don't mention feminism or my level of misandry at all even when it's relevant to the conversation. Just hold it all in so I don't slip and vent on here. Kek maybe I should have asked if a relationship between me and a TiF is even considered straight since they joke I'm the straightest person there and also I never seen a TiF in a relationship with another woman label themselves as straight kek not even Ellen Paige. Do HSTS's even consider themselves straight? He honestly is such flamboyant a gay guy I forget he has the tranny label kek. Hell maybe I should have asked him if he would date a TiF himself

No. 15894

>>15892
>Then someone else mentioned my name followed by "would you date a trans man. One with a vagina."
Oof, definitely sounds like they were trying to get you to confess your sins. But if no one else said anything it kind of sounds like the troon alone was attacking you, and perhaps some of the others also thought it was a rude comment. If you're close to any of them you could test the waters by venting in private that it was such a weird and gross private question to ask out of the blue, especially in front of a group of people. You don't have to bring up transphobia, it would be equally gross if someone started asking how much you'd want to date guy because they have dicks.

Next time you should defend yourself by saying something similar in front of everyone, point out that it's a personal sexual question and not at all appropriate in this setting. Don't let him get away with doing shit like this.

No. 15895

>>15877
I'm straight and I would say no because I'm not attracted to vaginas. If that makes me transphobic, I would remember them that they force gay people to like vagina/penis in a quite homophobic way.

No. 15901

I was in voice chat playing a game on discord the other day with friends I had made on a server recently. We were all a group of women, then a troon from the server joined us. We were all chatting for a while, then I made a comment about my boyfriend. Soon as I'm done talking the troon starts going off about how much men suck and women are better. I'm all for cracking jokes about men but it was so hard for me not to tell this deep obvious man voice to shut the fuck up. The disconnect is giving me whiplash. Everyone else kind of laughed it off and passed around some general "men suck" jokes but I swear I could feel the energy change. We didn't speak about it afterward but it really felt like at least a few of us were just tiptoeing around it.

No. 15903

Had a peak win today nonas, my boss clocked and pointed out a troon staff member after a client meeting we had. He has little to no knowledge about the troon debate and simply just stated his opinion that the more they try they just look more like men because it highlights that their features aren't actually female. He really didn't sound resentful or anything, just the casual way he said it and "misgendered" the troon because to him it was just neutral facts gave me so much hope. So glad I'm not working at a chronically online woke pandering place kek

No. 15912

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a jfashion wearing tif I stumbled across on tumblr is forced to detrans because being on t basically almost killed her. she had to get a hysterectomy too because of what seems to be issues caused by t. this is depressing - a mentally ill misfit girl going through puberty has body dysmorphia, develops an eating disorder, has medical professionals convince her to troon out over the course of many months, and the complications from the hormones have caused her so much suffering. why is this shit being encouraged? attached link for anyone who wants to read. I genuinely feel bad for her.
https://vaulted-ceiling-painted-sky.tumblr.com/post/712067280608034816/im-making-a-major-life-change-im

No. 15915

>>15912
>she had to get a hysterectomy too because of what seems to be issues caused by t.
All females on testosterone HAVE TO get a hysterectomy within a few years because of the health complications related such as vaginal atrophy and cancer. It can literally kill them of they don't. I'm pretty sure most of them aren't even aware of it, especially not the enbys who take it just for the aesthetic.

No. 15920

>>15915
holy shit that's insane, yeah I don't think many people know that. I didn't even know until just now. they don't really tell troons about bad side effects before giving them hormones, I doubt this girl would've gone on t if she had known how damaging it is

No. 15921

>>15920
To be fair, cardiovascular issues don't happen to all trannies. There's just a significant probability.
Vaginal atrophy, however… Yeah. I know some trannies apply estrogen cream to keep the vay jay working, but I don't know if the method is viable long-term and/or if it causes more complications down the line.
Doctors and trannies themselves need to be upfront about that shit.

No. 15922

>>15330
I'm apart of a group of artists in a small, nearly dead fandom on discord. When gender ideology swept the lands, over half of them went and trooned out or gender specialed themselves.

Okay, whatever. It's not like I'm super close to them. I'm just there for fanart. Because it's so unavoidable in this group, I talked to at least one TIM very casually. This TIM considers me a friend, but I just am friendly, so it's not mutual. They have a super temper like most moids, but it's not directed at me so I don't think about it.

Christ was I wrong about that. Don't be like me and even talk to trannies. I am serious.

Just two days ago, he suddenly sends me a flurry of discord DMs. Apparently he was broke, no job, living with his black boyfriend in one of his mother's properties (squatting it?) and he just had a huge screaming fight with her on the phone. The mother is religious and her husband died, so she needs the money from these properties she inherited to sell. Out of her good graces, she was letting her trooned out son and his fucking boyfriend live there, despite it being against everything she believed in. What a kind fucking mother to put up with all of that when her worthless troon clearly doesn't even care about her, or if she lives or dies.

So the mother gives him 60 days to move out. That's pretty generous considering what happened. He posts the e-mail she sent. She doesn't curse, she is patient in it, and it ends gently on a Bible verse.
In contrast, he is full, high testosterone seething and ranting at her in his e-mail and it's x3 as long. He admits he just screamed and abusively railed at her on the phone, calling her a religious bigot and saying she is a stupid monster. He then has the audacity to say he's abused and he's the victim. He does not have any capacity to see what a loving parent she's been to him.

He messages me at 2 am, saying he's having nightmares about this because he and his bf are going to be homeless. Then he messages me again an hour later saying the same thing. All trannies are in a mindset of self-harm. All of them. You treat them like crazy cutters and severely mentally unstable individuals, even if they can put up a face of "normalcy" sometimes. It's like watching someone shoot themselves in the foot, then cry and rage they're bleeding everywhere, blaming other people for their actions.

I was always "peaked", never liked these self-harming crossdressers. However, I have never been openly GC. I feel as though I've "peaked" in a different way, where I now know need to be openly radfem and GC. I have no tolerance for this.

No. 15923

>>15922
I feel you in some way nona, I'm a part of a niche hobby that's 99% female and infested with handmaidenry and virtue signaling to the point where I frequently consider disengaging with the community aspect, although I can never bring myself to do it owing to its community-driven nature.

A few mid-sized, not insignificant creators did do sponsored content with Hogwarts Legacy, though, so there is marginal hope that not all of them buy into gender ideology.

No. 15924

I’m so tired of Trans everything. Even with this new submarine story, trans people are somehow making it all about them and how they need to build more submarines and forcibly send transphobes out into the sea that way. And you know they mean literally everyone. This is happening even in discords i participate in.
Would cheer me up to see more Terf Shibe memes if anyone has em. Also wanted to ask, what do the green, pink and purple colors mean? I am crypto on twitter but see a lot of radfems with said colors. Maybe i can draw some shibes in those colors and post them here

No. 15925

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>>15924
Not sure about the pink color, but purple, white, and green are suffragette colors.

No. 15926

I'm so fucking mad right now. Just saw a promo for a tranny film that's going to be released in my country, about an indigenous """""third gender""""" (effeminate gay men who take on feminine gender roles, as usual) and they even mentioned that retarded excuse about "third genders" being the same as trans and existing before colonization, because that makes it sound more legitimate and not just an imported gringo thing. Of course they existed before colonization, you retards. Retarded and restrictive gender roles have existed for millennia, women have been treated as subhumans for millennia, men have been forbidden from "acting like women" and vice-versa for millennia.
It's so crazy seeing this insanity unfold on my own TV screen. I always thought it would be contained to the US. I can't believe people here are so indifferent to it and just let it happen because they think supporting trannies and gender ideology is a good harmless thing. They think it's just people wanting to crossdress.
The saddest part about all this is that it's never going to pass. It's only gonna get worse or we'll just go back to the status quo of society never actually challenging gender roles and sexism which are the whole reason both "third genders" and troons are a thing. A lot of people are fed up with tranny shit but they don't think about the actual reasons this is happening, they just think it's "wrong" for a man to be effeminate and for a woman to be masculine, or they think it's wrong for either to pretend they're the opposite sex, that's the deepest reasoning people have for being against transgenderism. When this troon era ends it's NOT gonna get much better, especially for women. Seeing that ad on my TV has made me so depressed. I don't even know how to tell people here what's wrong with it. These TRAs have the resources to advertise this lunacy as they please, I'm just a random woman with few friends and contacts.

No. 15927

>>15926
Maybe it's because I'm an American, but don't worry too much about it. It's scary, but not the end of the world. The trans movement has a short lifespan. Maybe 15 years tops, but people can refuse it in about 7 years if they're smart and are watchful. Not sure what country you're in or the culture there. If it's very traditional and conservative it's not going to go far or spread very quickly.

What will happen, is first it'll be unleashed and people will not even know what it is. They'll just think it's an LGB person thing. If it gains any traction it'll start to grow and sadly that's when the victims pile up, after a short period, maybe 5-7 years, normies start to really catch on. People start talking when their daughters want to cut off their breasts or their sons are suddenly being groomed. Once it becomes public knowledge, there will be massive backlash. You'll see upheaval unlike you've ever seen before and very publicly too. People are unironically threatening to blow up Target or any corporation that dares to have a trans logo. It's getting very serious. All of America is aware it's a form of child grooming and preying on mentally ill and autistic people now.

I know it sounds bad, but it's ironically dying here, so it's spreading around the world before it dies off, like some kind of cancer. Everyone knows what it is now in America and is super hostile to the mere mention of trans. I just was talking to a boy at college who was leftist, but was anti-trans for example and was just open in casual conversation about being against it. That never used to happen here.
What you can do is start telling everyone you know about it really early so they are equipped to deal with the insanity and push it back. Showing the medical gore of trans people and detrans stories is very effective. It's the only way.

No. 15928

>>15927
Thank you nonna, that really helped calm me down. Knowing that the tranny phenomenon is going to die down in a few years is relieving. My main concern now, though, is that this could cause the wrong kind of reaction, a right-wing backlash. I hope that doesn't happen or doesn't get too bad, probably not.
And I have actually tried to talk about it with my parents first, but my mom just thinks I'm worrying too much, and my dad just took that chance to reveal his homophobia, missing the entire point of what I was saying. So now I feel like I have no one in real life to talk about this with.
I knew a couple of therapists who helped me when I was younger, one woman who helped me in high school with my self-esteem, and seemed to be critical of porn and to realize how it affects girls, and a man who helped me get over my own gender confusion (he made me accept that I can be a woman and not be feminine, among other things). I wonder if I could schedule an appointment with either of them, or even casually chat with them. I wonder if the female therapist has become a supporter of gender ideology or if she is critical of it, I know tranny propaganda is aggressively targeting medical institutions and the medical community, especially in the field of psychology.

No. 15929

>>15925
This is what I meant, thank you!

No. 15932

>>15927
You're right, troonism is a symptom of the collapse of moral and civil values in society. It is just one of many moral failings that we are witnessing. With the end of this era, society will be reborn and we can strive towards a better future.

No. 15933

>>15932
this some tradtard shit

No. 15934

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>>15924
>Would cheer me up to see more Terf Shibe memes if anyone has em.
Ask and thou shall receive

No. 15935

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No. 15936

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No. 15938

>>15936
lol I love this one

No. 15939

>>15936
beautiful nonna.

No. 15940

>>15933
I'm actually a socialist and would be considered far-left in much of the wes.

No. 15947

My tif acquaintance hung up a trans flag in her room and when I visited her I noticed it wasn't ironed and asked if she was going to. Apparently it's some unspoken rule between troons that you aren't supposed to iron it? Why on earth hang some crinkled mess straight out of the bag you just bought for $30 on your wall just to fit in with unwashed dirty moids who only didn't iron it because they're too lazy/don't know how? If my community was represented by a flag you can't be bothered to put in slightly more effort to make look nice I would not be having good feelings about that community. But that sounds pretty similar to their whole MO, doesn't it?

No. 15950

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>>15947
>wtf, this is true
Males are mentally impaired, istg.

No. 15951

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>>15923
Thanks, nona. Your post really made me feel a lot better. You're basically the only one who's consoled me on any of it and only people here know my true thoughts on it. I feel like that's the space a lot of us are in with the current climate. I hope that can one day change when I'm open as gender critical.

It's really scary to be woken up to strange 3AM discord alerts to a mentally disturbed troon screaming about his own problems, especially when you have other friends you'd worry those messages are from. Apparently he has threatened to go kill himself in front of his mother and he's suspiciously offline. Like all of them, he suicide baits. I am avoiding appearing online on discord because of it. I'm just a really sensitive person and I didn't deserve such a sudden trauma dump. Nobody does. Who cares about my feelings on it, right? I'm sure that fan group is consoling him too lol. I might just stop talking to all the people in that tiny fandom, but I don't know what to do. Just collecting myself atm.
I just have my nerves shot between having to deal with judgmental relatives for the upcoming holidays in America and I did not need that from him or literally anyone.
You ever notice men and especially TIM troons never ask or question how real women are doing? No "hey, how are you? Can I talk to you about something personal?" I fucking loathe men who do anything remotely close to that. I am not his "mommy", "girlfriend", or even friend and I hate men who unload their personal baggage.

It just shows you how completely narcissistic and self centered trannies are. Also, I am sorry your community is full of handmaidens. I am starting to wonder if the best cure for handmaidens is just to be the first to be openly gender critical. I think a lot of women close to peaking or have quietly peaked will follow you. If they all hate you, then you should actually double down. That is at least the idea I am getting.

I genuinely hope you find peace in your fandom and if you don't, you find one better for you. Here is also a highly artifacted meme I made for you and as thanks. It's been through the washer and dyer three times, but I still find it to be good.

No. 15956

>>15745
late and incoming long blogpost, but i graduated high school not too long ago, and i can say from experience in a majority black/hispanic area that most nonwhite normies especially have started openly trashing on troons in many ways. there was a TIM teacher who looked ugly as fuck—pale scraggly hair with a huge bald spot, massive adams apple and a tall, lanky frame, etc etc—and girls openly made fun of "her" to ""her"" face by the time i was a senior kek.

on the non-normie side, even my gendie friends/acquaintances thought things like the hogwarts legacy boycott were retarded. although one TIF did say something about how "sad" it made her that the person who made a series she loved "wanted her dead" which nobody in the group responded to lol.

but overall, i do get the feeling that most normies especially think it's all fucking stupid. the one GSA meeting i went to was full of extremely autistic white girls, with like 2 token hispanic she/theys and one TIM. half the meeting was cringe icebreakers where they said incredibly embarrassing things about themselves, but when it came time to discuss their "bad experiences" they cited being made fun of by other girls for being gendies, which even at the time (still not fully peaked) seemed silly to me.

i wouldn't say the youth are necessarily peaking, but i also think the number of zoomers who genuinely believe in the shit we see on twitter/tumblr irl are extremely limited in the majority of working class communities. i'm going to a more white & upper class college in the fall, and even from orientation alone i saw WAY more gendie shit than would ever have been tolerated at my high school, including calling women "womxn" and only addressing everyone with "y'all" to be inclusive. but even the latter was called into question by a black girl in my smaller orientation group later in the day, which everyone agreed was silly and unnerving. in the end normies truly do hold the line

No. 15958

samefag as above, but here's my troon vent for the day.

one of my friends for the past 13+ years (kindergarten to now) trooned out a year or two ago and has recently tried extra hard to be the "celtic forest goddess" of his dreams. shit like dying his hair red, wearing a flower crown and hideous green lipstick to prom, the whole nine yards. the dress was also bought from amazon, of course.

in any case, he recently had a get together with some other old friends because he's leaving to another state for college, and we were nightswimming, so obviously all were wearing swimsuits with coverup shirts and such. unfortunately neither the suit top nor t-shirt he wore covered up the disgusting pokey nipples of his fake rubber tits, so we had to see them all night. and because he has no idea how to actually wear womens' clothes, they were hanging low and close together like a strange inhuman uniboob. the goodbye hug at the end sent a genuine shiver down my spine feeling them on my chest, eugh. as did the patronizing high-pitched voice he put on.

but even with all that, i got home and had to fight back tears, because this was my friend of 13 years. he's done some weird shit in the past, sure, but mostly in the autistic socially unaware way. i never could have expected the hard AGP pivot. what was once a good friendship grew into a strained one, where i was the token "woman" to ask for fashion advice or to alter/mend his shitty amazon finds. i'm trying to look on the bright side, but 13 years down the drain hurts no matter what. i shouldn't have to look forward to an old friend leaving just so i don't have to hear as many weird comments about women.

No. 15962

>>15951
>Apparently he has threatened to go kill himself in front of his mother and he's suspiciously offline. Like all of them, he suicide baits. I am avoiding appearing online on discord because of it.
Don't just accept it nona, tell a discord mod in private that you think it's manipulative and unacceptable behaviour and that rules have to be made about it.
Arguments to use for anyone in this situation:
>it's extreme emotional blackmail to post about wanting to commit suicide or to trauma dump
>if for no other reason, it can be "triggering" to others who are stuggling
>it's not on anyone else to fix "her" problems
>the ONLY thing that can and should be done is for the person to go to the mental health ER, immediately. No one in the discord can do anything about that anyway (assuming no one knows each other in person)
>if there are minors around, who in their right mind would think putting someone's suicidal behaviour on kids is ok? doesn't matter if the troon in question is a teen too, the end result is still the same
>it's making people want to leave the group because of how uncomfortable it makes them

If the mods refuse to implement rules against suicide baiting and trauma dumping then prepare a public statement saying you asked the mods for exactly that and they refused, and as a result you feel this discord isn't safe and you feel you can't be part of it anymore and will therefor leave at the end of the day. This gives people time to say goodbye or for you to keep people's contact info outside of the discord.
If you're lucky the troon will feel called out and be upset enough to leave the discord (I've seen it happen several times kek). Other people who agree with you may come forward. If people think it's stupid and are against you, then you only have more reason to leave anyway.

Even when you can't call out troons directly you can target their behaviours and make sure to signal it's not fucking ok. Don't let them get away with things.

No. 15964

File: 1687700975165.webm (7.24 MB, 858x536, Better Than Chocolate - 1999 M…)

So this a scene from the 1999 indie-produced lesbian comedy film 'Better Than Chocolate,' which explores the queer scene in Vancouver, so it seems like academic libfems have been always like this.

No. 15965

>>15933
Maybe she meant because of how oversexual and pornographic current western culture is? Since that is immoral to an extent, and it's a huge contributer in why troons exist. As well as misogyny and it never going away because people refuse to be decent people.

No. 15966

>>15964
I hate troon fake high voices so much. This scene is retarded qnd trying too hard to paint troons as victims. And they even attack the based woman physically for daring to stand up to the troon. Almsot as if they're saying "accept us or you'll be punished" which isn't a good look but to them it is kek. When in reality if this happened, the troon would beat the woman on his own and won't need anyone to save him because he's a man with a bigger stronger body. And people would probably still stand against the woman who is the real victim here.

No. 15977

>>15740
>Like oof yeah you got us, totally passing, good for him, but now that I know for a fact he is male I can never unlearn that fact and will always know he's a man despite all those efforts so what was the point again?
Thinking about this, it's just so true. You can't actually pass if you're openly trans, once people know they know and you're no longer fooling anyone (unless you pass so well they still don't believe you at all, which is like a one in a million case at best).

No. 15978

Me and my friend went to a convention this weekend and she commented about the obvious minors/childen wearing asexual pride pins. She said it was silly, because kids naturally aren't suppose to be think about sex or sexuality at that age. And when we went home she opened up abt how kids nowadays are so obsessed with gender instead of just being kids, and that a lot of kids who are non conforming gets sucked into the whole trans thing. She even mentioned detransitioners. I ranted about these things myself on my private socials and she never commented on it until now, which really surprised me because she seemed like a libfem type, uses pronouns in bio and has a lot of gendie friends but she basically agreed with all of my points. I think she just found relief to find another person to talk about it without being crucified by the gendies that shes surrrounded with. Don't give up nonnas, there are a lot of women who think like us but are just afraid to be open about it.

No. 15979

>>15978
Epic win nona!
>she commented about the obvious minors/childen wearing asexual pride pins. She said it was silly, because kids naturally aren't suppose to be think about sex or sexuality at that age
I even see many adult women call themselves ace now because of the "sexual liberation of women" with constant insta-thot and onlyfans culture has made women think we should actually all be hypersexual at all times, that it's normal and healthy and women have just always been supressed and not allowed to be the super wild sexual degenerates men were allowed to be all along. It just wasn't ever true, women have a lower libido than men on average, which makes full sense given how our bodies works when it comes to pregnancy and periods. It's not abnormal to not be that into sex, or only into it like one day of your period cycle, or only with the right person. Those are all SO fucking common for women. But of course troons come along and act like the slutty degenerates they want women to be and act like that makes them the real females, and the real women are some weird abnormal asexual variation of women. And the only women who call themselves ace are woke by default and therefor have to accept that they're now a queer minority.

No. 15980

Last year I finally dumped a male autist friend over his troon views. He was one of those woke leftist gamer guys who had troon friends and who think they're the holy feminist savior of the world. He hated terfs and acted like transwomen are real women, as they typically do.

I just wonder how me finally leaving impacted him and his views, if at all. Did losing his ONLY real female friend (and he knows I'm not a right leaning conservative, science denier or anything he disagrees with etc) in favor of protecting his males-pretending-to-be-women friends seem worth it? Did he somewhere in his mind rethink and wonder why if he's such a feminist did the only biological woman take so badly to his views she fucking left him for good? I know these people all know what sex someone is even if they won't admit it. He's straight and chronically single so "losing access" to the real females might actually affect him and make him think.

I honestly don't think he went there though, I think he just labeled me a bigoted terf that he just had to convince I was wrong and mislead by internet lies. Surely I must agree that lesbians should shut up and take the girldick, surely if I just think about it more logically will I see that putting a serial rapist who came out as trans literally one day ago in women's prison is the only fair and right thing to do. After all, men might rape or harm him in male prison, and that would be so unfair to this poor innocent "woman"!
But I still hope in a few years, when the trans ideology has collapsed further and his friends start detransitioning, or start changing the narrative to "well we always knew us transwomen were a variation of men biologically duh we totally never said we were real women" that he finally grasps what he did and what he stood for. I think it will take until the first of his troon friends detransitions.

This is pretty stupid and ramble-y but I would apprecaite some support nonas.

No. 15982

>>15979
Reading this made me think back to when I had sex for the first time, and I was really unimpressed by it. I was a late bloomer and mostly just had it with my then boyfriend because I was tired of being the token virgin in my friend groups (I was about to turn 18, my friends were roughly the same ages). When I brought up to my friends how I just couldn't understand how something this meh could lead people to cheat on each other, break promises and whatnot, their immediate response was "maybe you're just into some specific kinks and don't know it yet?" and sent me links to different kink forums. When I didn't seem too keen on the idea they started pushing that I might be asexual and wouldn't leave it alone until I went along with it just to make them STFU.
This was in the late 2000's. This shitshow has been brewing for decades, it's just even more in the open today.

No. 15983

>>15982
>their immediate response was "maybe you're just into some specific kinks and don't know it yet?" and sent me links to different kink forums.
Eww wtf people aren't even born with kinks, they develop them so that doesn't make sense to begin with. Like did they fully seriously think you were gonna go like "oooh! I finally get it, I can't get off unless I see a man squeeze ketchup all over his body while we do it! Thanks guys!" fucking dumb

No. 15985

An update on this if anyone cares kek >>15892 >>15877
I did what >>15894 said and decided to ask someone I'm closest with in the chat and she agreed it was a really random question. She told me she thought it was a "tricky situation" that made the chat feel really awkward. It felt like a pretty guarded convo with her at first because no one wants to admit to potential terf crimes kek but we did both agree that being into TiFs something simply not for us. She told me that she later pm'd the HSTS that she thinks some women will be into both men with dicks and men with vaginas but that she herself is not one of those women. She said he responded that he understands and so far the chat has gone back to regular husbando posting. I still don't know why he even asked. Maybe he got rejected irl and wanted to take it out on some women he knew idek. I do wish I was stronger and could stand up for myself as usual

No. 15986

>>15985
That's a great start nona! Even if you don't feel brave enough to say it in a group, make sure you vent to her at first sight of the troon doing something weird again, or if he does it to someone else make sure to pm that person directly to let them know you're on their side and the troon was in the wrong

No. 15991

I've been encountering so much troons these days, all of them being tims, it's really starting to take off where I live I guess. I don't think I've seen a single tif lately, but it might be that I just register them as lesbians or gnc women. I had met some troons before, mostly the young drug fueled hsts kind, but seeing all those old transvestite living their fetish in broad daylight is unnerving, especially in places where I thought they would not appear.

The other day I was at a very specific seminar related to religious studies, and didn't notice him at first.
In the afternoon some people left and the organizer made a comment about how we were now between women; that's when I scoured the room and noticed that the very fat long haired person in front of me was actually a tim. Since he was fat and old he "passed" as a very ugly looking woman to an untrained eye, but the hands, jaw, unisex name and weird tone were a dead giveaway. I tried to ignore him, and I don't know if he was emboldened by the fact that no one seemed to have cloacked him, but he kept turning around and staring with a dead eyed serial killer look that contrasted so much with the cutesy soft voice he was parroting earlier. Fortunately I didn't have to engage with him but this moment really peaked me even more. I've seen a ton of even more disturbing looking, depraved perverted transvestites on here, and this one was dressed normally at least. It may sound dramatic but I just had that gut feeling of uneasyness and unsafeness, that I don't usually have when I pass by troons (I usually just pity or mock them) : I really felt the saying "a wolf in sheep's clothes" and was disturbed by this encounter. I feel so sorry for women who have to spend time and interact with tims, mainly those clearly predatory agps, because of their work or studies, and especially in countries where you cannot express any critical view against them.

This whole situation feels like overreacting, but his presence alone made everything "click" in my head. Has anyone else experienced that ? I still don't want to be hateful, but it really dawned on me that I had to be more courageous, peak everyone around me and fight so that those kind of people are not normalized and don't end up teaching my kid or using women washrooms. It's hard being outspoken about this issue in the academic world, but thankfully my country isn't brainwashed like North America.

No. 15994

I just want to say thank god for this community. At this point I'm coming out as a TERF publicly. It's the only way we can combat this, we need people to SEE others speaking up. I just removed myself (I was told I was going to be removed anyway) from a Facebook group that was a random fandom, had absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely close to the trans issue. But was told not sucking tranny D in the comments section was grounds for removal.

The funniest part though is how serious people get…over FB groups kek none of this matters in real life but people are acting as if what they do in places like Facebook is reality. But even saying you're a TERF is enough for them to freak like you're spamming KKK imagery to the group.

No. 15995

>>15994
samefagging to add, this was a meme group and recently a man had joined and started posting multiple "memes" DIRECTLY relating to his sex life with his wife, who is seemingly unaware he's posting these memes across several groups (so thousands of strangers are now getting intimate details of their sex life). One even included what someone questioned was a picture of said wife, to which this disgusting moid replied "narc" (as in don't narc on me and tell her). That complete violation of this woman's privacy is not only allowed, but encouraged and laughed at by other moids in the group. But me daring to write one level headed comment about how I don't believe transwomen are real women and I'm evil and removed. You gotta love it!

No. 16004

Have any of you experienced cotton ceiling (Being forced to fuck trannies if you're lesbian)? And if you did, could you share your experiences? I was on the lgbt sub and they seem pretty adamant about genital preference being "totes valid!"

No. 16013

>>16004
>being forced
you mean rape
>genital preference being "totes valid!"
because it is, it's a retarded phrase but saying it IS valid is a workaround to not offend twans and woke people while still allowing gay people to be gay (and for straights to not date trans people either), it's bad when they say it's NOT valid because that's massively homophobic and predatory

No. 16014

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kek

No. 16015

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2 zoomers in my personal life told me they hate trannies. they even said “trannies” too

No. 16016

>>16015
(samefagging) the gif didn’t work because i’m a mobilefag, but the “crowd cheering” sentiment is exactly how i feel

No. 16017

>>16015
>2 zoomers in my personal life told me they hate trannies.
I'm so glad zoomers are starting to switch lanes because they have to share spaces with so many narc troons
and at the same time millennials who are finally having kids of their own switch when they realize their little toddler can't tell a dinosaur from a cat and can't possibly know what gender roles mean at that age and that "Lilith" with the beard was a bit too excited about teaching your baby girl about inserting tampons with a bulge visible through his skirt.

No. 16028

>>16014
Hey Shiba nonna love your posts, have you ever thought of posting them on twitter or ovarit>

No. 16029

>>16028
no i don't have the time and energy to post them in several places (that i don't even use tbh) but I highly encourage everyone to steal and post them everywhere and making their own terf shiba memes

No. 16031

>>16029
You can post them on ovarit at least.

No. 16032

>>16031
just post them yourself if you use it

No. 16033

Considering what a good psychological persuasion of parents is that can counteract "would you rather have a dead daughter or a trans son"?

Would you rather have a daughter upset that you made her wait until she was a mature adult, or would you rather have a daughter upset that her parents let her body get mutilated as a teenager?

No. 16036

I just read on the news that a school nearby will be adding menstrual product dispensers in the male washrooms which will cost up to $17k. Apparently 75 of 80 student respondents were supportive of this. But really… what a waste of money. I wonder what creative pranks teenage boys will do with the menstrual product.

No. 16039

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This is going to be a fucking blogpost, I'm sorry but this is the only place I have to scream into. (and if you saw this appended to the old thread… no you didn't.) I don't know how to handle this. I really don't.

It's not my girlfriend who I'm worried will end up going down the transition tubes on a neverending dragon chase. It's her best friend since childhood. This is a woman who blacks out the nonbinary stereotype bingo card: shitty home life as a kid, got stuck as the caretaker for a family member as a young adult, hit puberty early and started getting the typical sexist bullshit just as early, bi but convinced it's not queer enough, genuinely highly intelligent but not emotionally intelligent enough to realize being arrogant about that alienates people, was a self-described Mom Friend up until gender started happening, short and overweight with a mid-90s dyke aesthetic, pursuing a career in STEM-adjacent things without grad school, loses her shit about misgendering to her friends but also won't correct people when they say "she" and not "they" at a goddamn renaissance festival (AKA possibly the safest place outside a trans event to get practice in doing that), has started to refuse to show up to my gal's family gatherings because Granny has dementia and will call her a nice young lady and Fellow-Nerd-Girl Cousin will ask naively and bluntly what's bothering her when she does the flinch-then-scowl routine, uses "they" and "she" but without explaining who has the rights to use which and when and where… you get the picture. Let's call her Tiffany for now, I need a name because too many female pronouns makes the story confusing and like hell am I using "they" while posting here.

This is someone my love called her sister and meant it, who moved in with her family for several years. She genuinely cares about her, and so does her mom, but only she knows why Tiffany isn't coming around as much anymore. She brushes it off with "she's busy with work" when her mom asks, and she's obviously trying not to be hurt by this, but… I can tell she is. Worse, it's obvious that she's hurt by how much of Tiffany's life now revolves around Being Trans and Being On The Right Side Of History. Those are apparently the major foci of conversation when they do talk, now, as opposed to things like the hobbies they (used to) share or how both of their lives are going. It's to the point where it really seems like she avoids talking about Tiffany, now, but when we first got together she'd be mentioned as much as anyone else's close family would.

The way she just curled up in her chair, withdrawing physically from the conversation when her mother asked if Tiffany would be coming over for dinner too or not… it hurt to see. She'd admitted to me separately that they'd been talking less over the past few months, and that it's only partly because of how exhausted Tiffany has been due to work and her own third-shift hours.

I'm worried that she's lost her sister to the cult, and I don't know how to help her grieve for that relationship when the time comes where it is irrevocably severed. We're not SUPPOSED to mourn when someone's "true self" is a self-absorbed asshole who cares more about being right than being a good friend, and we're not SUPPOSED to be hurt if we end up discarded along with a previous identity, but what the fuck else can anyone do in a situation like that?

No. 16042

>>16036
Fucking waste of money. I hope the boys ruin that thing in less than a week to prove how useless and stupid it was

No. 16043

>>16039
>She brushes it off with "she's busy with work" when her mom asks
Why though? She should tell the mom exactly what is going on and her concerns about it. The more people who peak and understand what is going on is better for society and for the individuals harmed. It would help to have her mom know about the literal cult mindset these people have and that bringing it up to Tiffany would only push her away further. If she can't save Tiffany she can at least get a bigger support group who understands.

If/when it all finally falls through it might help to let Tiffany know it's ok if she ever detransitions. In the moment she'll feel offended and enraged which is why I suggest doing it if/when the relationship has already gotten pretty "bad", but years down the line in the future when she realizes it was all a mistake she'll remember it and might eventually reach out.

No. 16053

Nothing more obnoxious than the bihet white woman who looks like a completely normal white woman but identifies as nonbinary while living in one of the most liberal states saying she feels so scared like she needs to get a gun in the face of the supreme court's LGBT ruling today.
You're planning on buying a house with your husband (who you get all defensive about despite being "so gay") this year in a bougie neighborhood. Shut the hell up.

No. 16054

>>16036
>>16042
Boys can't even have mirrors in their school restrooms because they destroy them let alone a menstrual product dispenser for their confused daughters who continue to use the girls restroom anyways…..

No. 16057

>>16053
it's her 'partner', not her husband

No. 16061

>>16057
I didn't think the whole "calling your significant other partner" thing was that big of a deal (even though I didn't want to do it myself), but then a gay man told me he was against it becuase it allows people to pretend he's straight. So instead of saying "your bf/husband" people would say "your partner" to him so they wouldn't have to think about the fact that he's gay, and partner sounds less romantic too just furthering the not-gayness. After he said that I realized I had only ever seen straight people use the term "partner" and now I think it's stupid.

No. 16064

>>15925
this has been hijacked by genderspecials as the "genderqueer" flag within the last 10 years or so

No. 16066

>>16064
Unfortunately yes, although the colors are pastel in comparison. But I'm pretty sure it's well-known on twitter as a terf thing when you use the colored hearts in your username

No. 16068

This may be an odd complaint but I hate it when genderspecials use fish or animals changing sex as some kind of proof for humans being able to change sex. Because no, the fish didn't change from one sex another, it was always both. The thing that happens for those fish is that only the characteristics of one sex are "active" at one time. It produces sperm for a while and then as it ages switches over to produce eggs, both happening naturally as intended by nature in the body it was born with. It didn't change sex anymore than a teenager going through puberty is changing sex, it just grew to express what was already there.

Human men do not naturally have their sperm turned off to suddenly grow ovaries, not even pumping them full of every female hormone in existence can cause that to happen to them. The only traits men get from HRT are male traits - enlarged moobs and a different fat distribution. The same things happens to men who happen to be naturally born with for example higher estrogen. Everything that happens is determined by their male genetics.
Same with human females, they're not suddenly instead growing a pair of sperm producing balls when pumping them full of male hormones. You get female traits such an enlarged clitoris or a dropped voice, which would also happen if she naturally was born with more testosterone than is usual. Men do not have an enlarged clitoris no matter how feminine they are, it's an exclusively female trait no matter how much they want to cry about it now being a micro peen. It isn't. Men also do not have a female voice that was forcefully dropped to sound like a frog- I mean more male. They have male voices that can be high or low.

For something like snails, multiple sexes can be active at the same time. That is not possible for humans because we did not evolve to merge the 2 sexes we come in and have them both work at once in the same individual. Then there are animals like bees where 99% are infertile females - yet they're still female and capable of laying unfertilized eggs. Doesn't matter that they're not fertile - we know they're female because their body plan is the kind that evolved around the large gamete production aka eggs.

I just find it so stupid that they're even trying to use animals as a justification for transness and transition, it comes off as "well if humans evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys, check mate terfs!". Bro no, they're a different living being that evolved to be that way while we evolved to be this way.

No. 16069

>>15979
Rant here but Stupid pick me libfems have always existed. It's like a genetic thing or something. When my great-grandmother was fighting for women's fights you had all the "burn the bra" free love groups which sexualized themselves and pressured women into sex under the guise of equality and feminism. My grandmother talked about how it went against everything they had fought for when they wanted bras that wouldn't sexualize them.

Its always those who want sexual moid attention vs those who don't in feminism. Handmaidens and actual feminists.

No. 16086

>>16068
It's like trying to claim that you can cut your limbs off and it'll grow back just like a starfish or a lizard's tail. Or that we can fly just because birds can kek. Or produce venom just like those venomous mammal species.

No. 16088

Nobody asked kek but here are some of my favorite stories to use to peak/explain troonism to normies

>Emperor's new clothes

We can all tell their sex, but everyone has been told the correct thing to do is to pretend we only see a woman rather than a bearded man calling himself a little girl who's a lesbian. Everyone is pretending and lying while telling the emperor what a lovely brave woman he is, and noone is brave enough to tell the truth.

>Wizard of Oz

He's the promised Cure to Every Problem and everyone fully believes in it - perfectly mirrors trans health care and transition. Only at the end is it revealed that he has been a fraud all along, and that the real Cure was within themselves, that they were all fine the way they were.

>Little Red Riding Hood

There are people (mostly men) who are predators trying to dress up in friendly ways to get the trust of kids. The rainbow colored, queer, inclusive, sex educational videos for kids aren't as innocent as they may seem to some. They work hard to make you think they are, but if you see any signs of teeth (pedophilia, sex focus, breakdown of boundaries) it's because they want to fucking eat your child. Pedos usually do their best to hide that they are pedos, so when something gives obviously pedo-vibes… it just IS a pedo. There have to be SO many red flags they cross to become like that, literally only a pedo would do it.

No. 16093

>>16088
you didn't ask for me to springboard rant off of your post either but:
>Emperor's new clothes
yeah. i'm always amused by how easily tras break their own rules if the troony in question isn't a friend, or if the space is private enough for them to get away with it/feel like they can "speak freely". mind you, this disrespect usually only ever happens to aidens (kek), but it's still been frequent enough for me to notice. it's like everyone knows you're a woman using he/they or they/them or whatever and the moment you fujosperg is the moment you get shit-talked in private.

anyway it's crazy how much of their movement stands on everyone being too kind to tell the truth, openly

No. 16096

casually chilling on lc in a room with people who would cancel me out of their lives if they knew my opinion on troons kek

No. 16098

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>>15947
>>15950
I admit I love the "room tours" videos for some inspo (even if most of them are inspired by the same Korean room and Ikea furniture) and found one of a girl between 13-18 with a trans flag near her bed.

No. 16115

An artist I looked up to for years just came out as a TIF after a hospitalization for a manic episode. So disappointing.

I wish I understood why this stuff was so appealing to seemingly every single nerdy/creative person. Where does the idea that LARPing as the opposite sex will cure your mental health issues even come from and how come nobody sees all the blatantly miserable troons out there and concludes that it isn't true?

No. 16117

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Someone should tell them that those Wikis meant shit and Woodstock have always been male, just that he has a female name in Norwegian and Finish translations.

No. 16120

Just found out the person who started the "Mitski had a sex slave/is a sex trafficker" is a TiM. I'm so fucking pissed because the internet really let this disgusting agp moid slander and harass Mitski so he could get sound cloud streams and he recieved no backlash. I'll refrain from a-logging but I'm truly exhausted with scrotes

No. 16121

currently listening to a tim talk about how he cheated on his partner with a tif who was also in a relationship during an orgy with no protection. might end it all.

No. 16136

Long blogpost incoming, sorry but I'm getting more and more fed up every day.

I am sick of so many friends and even a close family member turning into raging handmaidens overnight. I don't even know when it all started but all of a sudden I started noticing people being much more vocal about the whole gendie bullshit and even bringing up the topic in completely unrelated to it conversations. Completely boycotting favorite streamers the moment they say a single slightly transphobic thing, non-stop screeching and info-dumping about the newest "bathroom bill" and how it's SO GENOCIDAL, all of them make sure to write their she/they pronouns everywhere and of course they all resort to calling anyone who disagrees with them TERF, saying how it "makes them uncomfortable" and caping for trannies like their lives depend on it.

The thing is, I've never believed in troonism - ever since the whole tumblr era a few years ago I thought that the whole thing is just a delusion and that it screams mental ilness to me, but I wouldn't really say it bothered me. During a conversation with a chronically online twitterfag (who's the biggest handmaiden I know) about some random TiF I stated my opinion (in a much more diplomatic way than I explained here mind you), but what was the response? I was lectured in a pretty condescending way and called names. That's when I knew I can't really voice my opinion freely without being called a bigoted TERF or getting cancelled, so I resorted to going crypto and playing dumb, acting like I don't really know what the whole trans debate is about.

And that's exactly what peaked me. When "educating" you these sleazy idiots will do their best to exaggerate every single struggle (kek) the troons go through, they will lie that there hasn't been a SINGLE case of violence by trannies against women, they will only show you the top 1% of most shooped photos and carefully ignore all the other atrocities. But after doing my own googling and browsing the threads here I can no longer remain neutral - now every time I see a troon or a handmaiden cape I can't help but feel exasperation and annoyance by the snowflake behavior.

And the best part? I DON'T EVEN LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE TROONS ARE AN ACTUAL PROBLEM. I'm in a small ass dirt poor shithole that's currently dealing with so much shit that most normal people who aren't online 24/7 don't even know what the fuck "trans" means - we're not very advanced with LGBT in general, mainly because we have much more pressing issues to deal with. Inflation and political corruption are the worst they have been in years and we can't even keep up a government going, but instead of the actual problems the TRAs proceed to screech about troons getting misgendered in restrooms in the USA which is literally on the other side of the world. Why the fuck are we all suddenly supposed to lick the asses of entitled moids who jerk off to all the attention? Who think that the pain after eating a spoiled sandwich is their totally existing period? Who contemplate suicide the moment they see a random good looking woman in the grocery store? No thank you. At this point I have seen so much disgusting shit by these "brave and stunning" degenerates it's not even real. Abominations. But unfortunately too many of my (ex) friends would cancel the living shit out of me if they ever find out about my opinion.

Once again sorry for the blogpost, but this is the only place where I can actually voice my frustration. I'm thankful for this thread, now I feel much better!

No. 16139

I knew a tim who admitted to me that his chronic illness is made worse by his low testosterone and hormone treatments, and that he would probably be back at full health without them. He works very little, mostly mooches off his parents, and is trying to get on benefits. I think he admitted this because he was trying to get sympathy for being willing to sacrifice his health to look exactly the same but it had the opposite effect on me. It makes me angry every time it crosses my mind and whenever I bring it up to someone I watch them peak a little right before my eyes. His problems are 100% self inflicted.

No. 16145

>>16120
He pretty much disappeared from the internet afaik and was/is a schizo laughing stock to literally everyone, even the TRAs. Pretty sure he went to jail for a bit, unrelated to the mitski fiasco. I am in similar online circles that he was, we were mutuals for a while and talked briefly before the mitski shit went down kek.

No. 16169

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These people are retarded

No. 16170

>>16169
Tras hate black women so much. If tras had to argue for Tims without calling black women Manish they'd die. Black female tras will see black moids and the right calling them gorillas and male trannies then parrot that same sentiment to protect the feelings of racist white moids. Unreal

No. 16178

A very woke guy is trying to court me while obviously not knowing I'm a secret TERF and it's such a massive turn off to hear him talk about trans people. And you just know he thinks anything he says about it makes him look good and righteous, when in reality it does the literal opposite. I could never date anyone so delusional they support harming children irrevocably, and I'm not gonna be one of those "I can change him" women either kek

No. 16183

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The world is healing(vidrel had 100k likes)

No. 16184

>>16170
Maybe I'm just sheltered and lucky but I never heard black women being called mannish/masculine as often as I did when I started dealing with gendies. I'd heard about the Michelle Obama thing when I was younger and it was obviously racist and had nothing to do with the hurt feelings of men in dresses. It's so inappropriate to draw these comparisons, I find it shocking they can't see that.

No. 16187

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i posted about this on the TiM thread once, but i’m losing my fucking mind and need to rant about it again. i work at a coffee shop and we have this 70+ year old man who comes through all the time. i vividly remember three years ago the back ledge thing by the rear windshield of his car was absolutely filled with trump merch, as well as an abundance of american flags. i hated when he would come through because he was super nice, but having to look at his tacky and cheap looking shrine would ruin my mood. i started working at a different location for a year and a half and when i came back, my coworker, we’ll call her annie, was telling me about this customer we have that occasionally cross dresses. imagine my surprise when i realize its this trump-obsessed military veteran.

over the past six months, he has decided that he’s trans and has started trying to assimilate into being a woman. he calls himself “olivia.” when he first told us in december, i was pretty peaked at that point but my co-workers are also caring and empathetic people, so one of them sent him a text (has always had his number for a reason i can’t remember) that he’s always welcome at our coffee shop and we support him. who could’ve guessed it would open the can of worms that followed. some more about him:

> brings us plastic bags filled with random shit including hairties and opened bags of pads, saying he “finished his period and doesn’t need them anymore”

> will inform us when his periods have started and ended, literally will give us random dates like “olivia had her period january 1-6”
> sometimes in these bags he’ll include a card addressed to all of the employees that work at that specific location (we only employ females), and the inside of the card will be literally filled front to back with ramblings
> once, one of those ramblings was about how his “girlfriends” would text him that they “woke up with blood all over their sheets because they started their periods”
> greets us by saying “hey gorgeous” and before he leaves he always says “bye, love you”
> handmaidens from various parts of his life (the employees of the tanning salon he frequents and his barber, that’s it) have made a facebook group where they can share cute stories about him and his nail lady can post photos of his pedicures for all to see
> invited annie, she joined, but the handmaidens always want to plan outings with the tranny to take him out to lunch and that’s where annie draws the line
> has mentioned my car’s pink fuzzy steering wheel cover every single day for the last three weeks and talks about getting himself one. pls don’t
> is a recovering alcoholic
> wears pink gloves in the winter but otherwise puts in 0 effort to appear female

one day last week i saw him walking up to the window. i always try to have his coffee ready to go to minimize chatting, but i was a little slow because he started telling me about how he was wearing a sports bra under his shirt in public for the first time, “but no one can tell really so it’s fine.” then he said something about how he should just get over it and feel confident enough to wear a t-shirt!!! 90% of our shifts are worked alone because we’re just a tiny drive through kiosk, and it’s really hard to set boundaries in that situation because these people know where we work and they know that we’re alone. also in a weird area of town with lots of addicts and general sketchiness. so i just kind of go “oh wow!” because i don’t want to enable but i also want to stay alive. the next day he was wearing a t-shirt and made sure to immediately inform me that he was wearing the bra again, and how proud he was of it. i cannot take it much longer nonnies

obviously i’m beating a dead horse by saying this but it’s so disgusting that all we are to men is periods and bras. i haven’t even worn a real bra in years because they’re fucking uncomfortable. i had to start the pill at age 14 because my periods were so irregular that it was affecting my quality of life. it’s so bizarre to look at a wrinkly, bald, delusional man 50 years your senior and realize that he truly thinks he’s the same as you.

picrel is one of the cards he wrote to us. blocked out identifying info. he dropped it off when he came through after coming out to us, so i guess this was his thank you? good luck deciphering it

No. 16189

>>16187
Nonna, is there any way to report this? All of this behavior sounds completely and utterly unhinged and creepy and I genuinely worry about you and the safety of your co-workers. This reads as bordering schizo behavior.

No. 16190

I think I'm getting close to peaking.
My friend that I've kept for the longest time is ftm, bi, and is now dating an mtf lesbian. I don't know who is more disrespectful here, using trans logic. I was recently educated by the ftm friend that "transwomen were always women, and they're no different than cis women" when I had asked them if they knew any cis lesbian content creators.
So if trans people were always the gender that they say they are now, then isn't this relationship invalidating BOTH of your identities? Why did you get your tits chopped off and your womb removed just to date someone who is invalidating your special gender because they see you as a woman? Isn't it also homophobic to date a lesbian when you say you're a man?

I fucking hate how spicy this straight relationship is. I hope my friend stands up for themselves and realize they just didn't want to be sexualized for being a woman, and that being a woman was always ok. It's just that filthy fucking scrotes prey on women and can only see them for sex and try to make it how everyone sees women. I wish they only got a breast reduction and not removed all of their breasts. It's going to hurt seeing them in even more pain from the T years down the line.

I don't care what happens to the mtf. Disgusting fucking mentally ill coomer only pretending to be a woman to take advantage of mentally ill women.

No. 16191

Does anybody else here have gc friends/loved ones that still respect pronouns and if so do they try to police your pronoun use? I've had mixed results. One friend respects pronouns but doesn't bother trying to correct me and never has. One got upset because the guy was her friend and she said she felt like she had to come to his defense. I have a third friend who has no problem with me "misgendering" randos and will do so himself but he does have one ftm friend that he him's for some reason.
>>16187
This is nightmare material, I agree with >>16189
you should report this or at least try to sus out if any of your other coworkers are uncomfortable with this, someone has to be. Maybe you can unionize against the guy lol. The card's pretty tough to decipher on the second page, him referring to himself (or I guess "Olivia") in the third person is wild and reminds me of In The Darkroom and classic reddit tims, referring to their hersonas in the third person. The fact that he has a fan page is also nuts.

No. 16192

>>16189
>>16191

ayrt here. i honestly think my boss wouldn’t give a shit if we refused service to him. she’s a 60-year-old woman and she’s owned and ran the place for 20+ years. once when i was working with her, we served a TiM who was desperately trying yet epically failing to pass. when she handed him his drink, she went “here you go sir!” and he said “it’s ma’am” in the most pathetic, small little voice imaginable. she didn’t even say anything, just looked at him and eventually he drove away. she turned to me and said “that was a dude, you know.” that was pre-peak so i was put off by it then, but i’m laughing just thinking about it. she’s so based

annie and i have had quite a few conversations about trannies before. she’s kind of a used-to-do-drugs-but-now-loves-home-improvement-projects-and-takes-mushroom-supplements type of millennial while i’m a terminally-online-since-nine-years-old-and-it-shows zoomer. we both seem to tiptoe around the subject a bit. her political views could probably be described as left-leaning, but the kind of left-leaning you’ll find in midwestern america. we both agree that he takes it too far and that the period shit is especially fucking weird. she used to work with special needs individuals, both children and adults. she has an abundance of stories about having to deal with elementary-aged boys aggressively jacking off in front of their fellow children in class. i think this honestly just doesn’t phase her because of all the other crazy things she’s seen and had to do

i’m not going to lie to you ladies about the state of my town. tranny pandering hivemind has infected the people here and if word got out that i worked at a “transphobic establishment,” i would be fucked. the coffee shop is a part time for fun gig as i’m a photographer the rest of the time. also very heavily involved with the local diy/downtown/artsy scene, and if i got outed as a tranny hater, i would be excommunicated. i’d genuinely probably have to move away to find work. it’s really funny because every tranny i’ve met in this town is absolutely batshit balls to the wall fucking disgusting and horrible. this experience here with olivia is actually the least threatened i’ve felt while in regular contact with a TiM

it’s pathetic that i’m that scared of what troons will do, but i’ve weighed my options and unfortunately holding my tongue seems like the best thing to do for now

No. 16193

>>16061
It pisses me off whenever straighties and bihets use it. It's like, what are you afraid of?

No. 16195

>>16194
>>16187
Holy fucking shit what the hell is wrong with men. I think you should call the police

No. 16197

>>16187
What if he shows up with a gun one day?

No. 16198

>>16183
>"i have to be real careful with this one"
>roasts trans people by stating facts
kek thought she'd be a bit more handmaideny from that first statement

No. 16199

>>16187
god this is terrifying nona

No. 16204

>>16197
ayrt. i know he sounds absolutely unhinged, but i don’t think he would do that. obviously you never know with unwell people like this but he genuinely, sincerely sees us and the tanning salon girls as his close friends

No. 16207

>>16204
I'd legit look for a new job just to get away from a person like that. He went from extreme Trump-lover to trans with a period-BLOOD-fetish in a short amount of time. What if he decides that the blood doesn't have to be a period, just has to be blood from a woman - the ones whose opinions threathens his fetish. Ones who "betrayed" him when he saw them as "friends"?
>i don’t think he would do that
Well nona did you think that the trump-loving old man would ever trans out? Has he not proven already that his mind is fickle, delusional and entirely occupied by a sick and fast growing fetish he's not afraid to force upon others?

No. 16213

Recently I had the great misfortune of having to listen to my gf's het-partnered libfem friend going on and on about how they're gonna have to flee their state because her fugly horse-faced boyfriend is basically anne frank and they're gonna get shot and killed if they stay there for one more second. The entire conversation made me want to peel my skin off but I couldn't say a word because even tho my gf is an epic evil terf as well, she doesn't want to upset her friend or risk losing her. All this woman's problems will end the second that unemployed loser takes off his skirt but I can't point that out even though it's obvious to everybody else. She's dealing with actual harassment from random scary ass men at gas stations because this dude wants to wear his anime girl gear outside, that's fucked up. I can't imagine putting my gf in danger just to satisfy my own wants. I don't like her but I hope she gets out of this.

No. 16214

>>16207
okay you’re so right FUCK. i hate that we even have to discuss this shit, let alone having to genuinely consider leaving the best job i’ve ever had because of trannies. i hate that i’ve minimized the situation in my own brain in order to cope with it. i hate that people would call /me/ the bad guy in this situation for being mean to an uwu poor old trans woman who’s suffered her whole life and is finally her true self!!1! god damn it. i feel like i’m going crazy sometimes

No. 16215

>>16213
not to take over your post nonna, but it reminds me of what’s happening in my town. a local TiF and a TiM partnered up to start an “organization” to fund emigration for trannies. they just feel sooo unsafe here in america that they need to fuck off to another country. they’re both chronically ill NEETs who e-beg, the TiM being the worst of them. had the unfortunate displeasure of conversing with him once and he couldn’t stop talking about his $10,000 breast implants which look fucking horrible. he’s such a cow, he’s single-handedly divided the local queer community with his bullshit. for example, he thinks trannies who don’t try to pass aren’t real trannies, meanwhile he’s 50 years old, balding, bony and greasy. the fake tits are the only thing he bothered trying with.

i really hope your gf’s friend can gain some self respect and leave. exactly like you said - how can you endanger someone you love and not think twice? he’s going to ruin her fucking life all in the name of cooming? moids truly do not care about anyone but themselves

No. 16217

>>16214
I think you did the right thing with engaging as little as possible without being directly rude to him to get on his bad list. Make him think you're just super boring and not worth talking to so he forgets you exist.

No. 16218

>>16191
>Does anybody else here have gc friends/loved ones that still respect pronouns and if so do they try to police your pronoun use?
My gc friend will use the preferred pronouns for troons only if they're able to admit what their real sex is. So she doesn't affirm delusion, but she'll play along if they admit it's a made up character i guess.

I've really changed my mind on pronouns. Started out handmaideny, thinking we should respect them because it doesn't hurt anyone. Then had my terf phase of thinking we should always use the right sex pronouns to not muddle language and meaning of words. While I do still think that's mostly true, now I've realized the policing is often derailing the conversation and I want to respect that some people use it out of habit to protect themselves and their jobs. As long as we're able to have meaningful discussions about the topic I'm fine with them using the wrong pronouns, and they have to be fine with me not using them.

No. 16235

>>16218
Ayrt
>I've realized the policing is often derailing the conversation
I completely agree with you. Early on when I peaked I would kind of roll my eyes at people for she'ing obvious men but I realized pretty quickly what an asshole move that is. What's the point of that, anyway? Me calmly using correct sex pronouns in a non-malicious, matter of fact way proves my point a lot better than acting like a snotty child.

No. 16256

All of the obese troons in my neighborhood decided to wear crop tops recently. Yesterday, I saw two of them with huge very hairy guts hanging out of their too small booty shorts.

No. 16264

>>16215
>Feeling unsafe in America

Where are they going to take other trannies? To Middle East?

No. 16273

>>16264
I'd donate all my spare money to a refugee exchange program where we trade TIMs for women from misogynist countries.

No. 16304

The amount of times my woke friends bring up troons unprompted is astonishing. It wasn't in any way related to the conversation, they're not trans themselves, and they never do it for any other "oppressed" group of people. It's one thing to see it online but when your friends do it to your face it just hits differently… Holding my tongue on it is hard. Trying not to make a negative facial expression is hard.

Does anyone have a better word than "woke" for this? "Ideologically captured"? I feel like both are a bit too politically loaded and a lot of people who do it aren't woke in any other aspect so the word doesn't really make sense. I need like a casual insult-y word that's like "weeb" but for people who cape for troonism. Troonaboo? Nonas please help lmao

No. 16306

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I wish I could tell to this person that these terms were way before than Trans people started to appear everywhere and they're porn fetishes. But nah.

No. 16307

>>16306
I’ve seen this with “BoyPussy”, nasty term but gay men have been using it since forever, but now it’s “denigrating for trans men”, “objectifying ftms”. They take over terms and then whine about them being problematic or not inclusive enough. Truly a cancer.

No. 16311

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Trans people should learn that's how celebrities act, to do not being lynched because "they haven't done enough".

No. 16315

>>16311
These poor celebs are just ruining their own future legacy. Like how people today look back and "cancel" works by "problematic" people of the past, people are just gonna look back and say "he was a decent actor at the time, but he supported the child mutilation movement and even made his own child be part of it"

No. 16316

>>16315
Samefagging but just think about how we now feel about people who strongly advocated for lobotomy at the time. It was supposedly safe and helped poor vulnerable people, it was a modern medical intervention they blindly trusted, but in reality it ruined their lives completely and it was obvious after seeing just a single victim of it.

No. 16328

There’s a couple of gender specials in the latest group of new hires at work, and this is the first time I’ve encountered an entirely feminine presenting they/them in the wild. She’s got wannabe manic pixie dream girl energy… she just came in to tell us about climbing a tree before work. What the fuck, this is such goofy bullshit. I’m afraid our upcoming LGBTQ “training” is gonna be so frustrating to sit through. It feels like all the older ladies are gaslighting themselves into being nice. Sucks to watch.

No. 16332

I have a good TRA friend in medical school who always tells me when we catch up about how she's doing so much work with gender affirmijg care and such in her campus activities. This is because I used to be nonbinary (she knows that I've since detransitioned, though). And I just have to be all… uhh… okay… and find an inoffensive way to listen nicely.
I know I can't say shit because one of her other close friends is married to an AGP who came out as a troon like a week after they got married so there's no way she wont take criticism of troonshit personally.
Disturbing that she's in medical school and will directly enable access to self-mutilation, though.

No. 16333

>>16332
why do so many nonas continue to have friends they are deeply at odds with? it's not like you're reliant on this person for anything, right?

No. 16334

>>16333
NTA but most of us are left leaning and we will unfortunately have friends who will consider troon rights to be an actual issue.

No. 16341

>>16333
Lots of us were handmaidens/casually supportive of troons ourselves at some point, we know they could change their minds and that the trans trend will pass one day. It's all mostly lip service, they say troons are women and that no one can tell a difference, but we know they can. We all can. Troon ideology literally cannot win, they've built their movement on lies and harmful actions and only get to continue as long as people stay ignorant. A peaked person can never go back, and more people are peaking every day.

Some friends should be left behind for your own mental health, but some are worth hanging around and are possible to peak. You just have to figure out which one applies to you and your friends.

No. 16343

>>16334
>most of us are left leaning
This is one thing TRAs don't get. They do NOT know their enemy and it will cause them to fail kek

They think their biggest enemy is old, white, Christian, right leaning/conservatives. They've dubbed them karens and terfs because they hate women, but they sure as fuck don't act like feminists are the true enemy. They instead act like they themselves are the true feminists, and the terfs are evil people in disguise but not "real" feminists. They still don't even get that poc are LESS accepting of troons than white people. They don't get that gay people are fed up with their homophobic views. They don't get that women being vocally fed up with troons are more often left leaning because those are the ones who had to deal with troons first hand.

No. 16361

>>16343
>They don't get that gay people are fed up with their homophobic views.
Lesbian bars. Just: lesbian bars. Trannies made them go extinct because they flock to anything "lesbian" for the aesthetic. You go looking for pussy and meet a sausage party.
Funny thing is, I used to be sympathetic toward trannies when there were so few of them. There was always a couple of local trannies of either sex. We mutually acknowledged our differences and coexisted without the "let's talk about trans issues" crap. The resident fakeboi wannabe was slaying lesbian pussy. The resident MTF tranny was sipping cocktails in the corner. Sure there were arguments, but no one actually cared. They knew lesbian spaces belonged to female homosexuals. We knew it, too.
Then the hysteria began and guys started trooning out en masse. Even implying trannies are not women became haram. Most MTF trannies used to be attracted to men, now the "transbian" crowd is everywhere I go. Butches had gone borderline extinct. Something went wrong.

No. 16367

>>16361
It makes me sad to read how things were before. Showing my age a little but I wish I could've lived before all this, or at least had a young adulthood or something before it. I came out directly in the middle of this troon crisis and it has been never ending bullshit ever since. Sometimes I even wish I hadn't publicly come out or tried to find community, but how do you ever meet someone if you don't do that? So now I'm one of those people like >>16332 with friends that are sort of 'left behind' and anyways, it feels awful to cut a friendship off based on something so goddamn stupid. It feels like it should be a non issue but it is. I'm so sick of it.

No. 16396

When an Aiden talks about hard is to get testosterone, I want to point out the risks of having high testosterone for your ovaries, but I know they do not listen.

No. 16417

>>16361
I despise troons, but the decline of lesbian bars can't be attributed to troons online as they've been on a decline since the 2000's; its instead driven by financial factors. Gay male bars, on the other hand, act as casual hookup spots and gay men on can spend more time and money in these spaces, as they typically have fewer familial obligations. The spread of "queer" identity was simply the final nail in the coffin for lesbian bars. Additionally, other third spaces, such as small live music venues that host independent acts, are also withering away.

No. 16418

>>16417
My local LGBT bar used to have dedicated gay and lesbian days every week. Like, say, you knew Thursday was a lesbian day, so you went in knowing others would be there to dance and hook up. Then more and more troonies started showing up, fewer and fewer actual lesbians attended, and now it's just a queer bar with only dick on the menu 24/7.

No. 16474

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Kudos for the artist for not using a female body for the evil terf, but I wish the TRAs have the same energy for the bigoted and homophobic men.

Oh wait, they're TIMs most of the time, so they're welcomed in their circle.

No. 16475

>>16474
TRAs are wolves amongst us? how accurate

No. 16476

>>16475
Wolves are way better than that. They're a tight family, no brainless wolves following an "alpha" like people think in general. Even rats are better than TRAs.

No. 16491

This one troon I know seems incapable of writing a woman that isn't:
>DDLG bait/manic pixie dream girl shit.
>"Cunty Bitches"
>Woman struggling with "femininity"
I need him to 41% so bad nonas.

No. 16495

i got super into an indie music artist and i have this irrational fear that she’s going to turn out to be a troon because there’s lots of freaks tinhatting about it all the time i wish i just didn’t care but i’ve connected a lot to the music and the idea of it being by a male makes me extremely sad

No. 16505

>>16491
Once a troon had me read his OC fiction and it was just him being the saddest most persecuted person in the world, getting supernaturally transformed into his petite blonde OC (he's a fat neckstubble troon irl) and then brutally killing a woman who was mean to him along with all of her friends and family (he told me afterwards that the girl was based on one of his childhood bullies). Disgusting shit, cannot lie.

No. 16507

>>16474
Why are they so fucking obsessed with us? We're the most reasonable haters of troonism and even if they disagree with us, the basis in misogyny was always empathizable to me even when I was a TiF myself. It makes no sense that a fraction of this performance of hatred isn't directed towards like, cops, or pedophiles, or conservatives, when they're the ones taking the most effective IRL actions contrary to the trans movement.
I can't see it in any way other than them taking some sort of sadistic delight in trampling the one group that they know they have the power to lynch and persecute while being praised as the blameless victims. It's gross.

No. 16526

>>16096
i know your pain too well, nonnie

No. 16547

>>16507
You said it yourself. Women are an easier target to blame rather than point the moids or bigoted men.

No. 16548

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>>16474
I think the message is that trans people are wolves in sheep's clothing out to harm people kek

Remember how nazis had skulls on their uniforms? And how ironically appropriate that was because they were evil and killed innocent people? I literally cannot believe that troons keep representing themselves with predatory animals like sharks and wolves, making art with violent slogans like "kill/punch women" - they're like textbook kids media villains!

I'm gonna art sperg since this is the vent thread anyway: You can tell the artist is bad and/or stupid because they fundamentally do not understand what they're saying with this image (or they're secretly a terf themselves trying to make troons look bad on purpose, which I doubt). You have a GIANT wolf/werewolf which is perhaps THE most classic image of deception there is thanks to the little red riding hood. Not only is it deceptive, because the wolf is typically depicted as a male literally dressing up as a female (grandma) specifically to harm a real girl. So the artist could not have chosen a worse animal to represent trans people. Or for a terf - a more appropriate one.
But werewolves transform - like trans people! So it's a perfect allegory, right? But the artist failed to take into account that werewolves were humans who then transed into monsters that harm and kill innocent people. The harm werewolves do come specifically from being transformed. So again, shit choice to make if you want to make trans people not look like evil predators.
But even outside of that the wolf is GIANT and harming a much smaller and clearly helpless human. It could have been any monster or even a giant human, and it would still be saying that trans people are big, scary, and dangerous.
And of course it's not insignificant that the wolf is literally black in color. Black in art typically represents bad/evil, so to make it black just makes trans people look even more like the villain. And it's even worse for these people who are in the "woke" crowd, because making the darkest black creature be a giant monster is… pretty racist. And the victim is partly brown too, which it didn't have to be as it's clearly an artistic choice. So the artist is choosing to make the victim - or in their eyes the true evil villain - a black/poc human. They literally chose to make the one being murdered have brown skin. While also making sure the true darkest black is associated with the violent perpetrator.
Every choice the artist made works against them and they don't even know it, and that's why they're a shit artist. They wanted to make themselves look edgy and strong to scare women who think differently than them, but all they're doing is making themselves look stupid and violent.

No. 16550

>>16507
These questions are the exact ones that start to peak women. If they want to "protect trans kids" why are they literally protecting pedophiles? Like sure, not EVERY troon is a pedo, but why is it that every time a troon is outed as a pedo they keep getting protected and excused for it? Why do platforms ban words like "groomer" when that only protects pedos and harms their victims and tell them to not speak out? And these victims ARE the trans kids they claim to want to protect.
Why do they want JKR dead when all she did was write a book series and open a women's crisis centre? Why do they not have that energy for the actual lawmakers and politicians? You know, the people who could actually make real change for trans people. Why can't I name a single male person who is as hated by trans people as JKR is, when most of those people in power are male?

No. 16555

>>16548
I love you, terf shiba.

And imagine even if the werewolf is white over a black background: "Are you telling us that white trans people are better than BIPOC trans people??".

You're right, this is another description of "Trans people won't be peaceful until everyone believe in them, so peace is not an option while they brainwash kids and make women the evil while ignoring bigoted men".

No. 16564

>>16548
Love and appreciate your posts shiba nonna, I feel a bit spoiled cause I feel your work deserves to be seen more by others.

No. 16565

>>16474
>>16507
There's a crime manga I read a few months back. One of the chapters featured a misogynistic man who would go out of his way to inconvenience women in any way he could. However, he turned chicken if a man was nearby. I think this explains why troons harass and focus on "TERFs" i.e any and all women specifically, because they are afraid of men and think that picking on women is easier.

No. 16567

>>16565
Isn't it sad how the image would have worked better if the "evil person being devoured to protect the artist's trans friends" was labeled as "bigoted" instead of "terf"? It would have worked for both bigoted men AND women, but no, it has to be the evil terf while bigoted men do more damage. But since bigoted men also are TIMs…

No. 16594

>>16547
I'm telling you this not cruelly but as a point of reference for the future: sometimes rhetorical questions are used as an opener and frame for an ensuing statement. You can often identify this when somebody answers their opening question at length in the ensuing statement.

No. 16595

>>16548
I love terf shiba, I wish that she could become widespread and recognized as a dogwhistle (pun not intended… maybe?)

No. 16617

>>16564
>I feel your work deserves to be seen more by others
Terf shiba anon here, I hope people steal and post terf shiba wherever they want, and make their own terf shiba memes too!
>>16595
>I wish that she could become widespread and recognized as a dogwhistle
Made me kek, good pun nona! I want troons to seethe every time they see a real cute little shiba walking down the street, because they can and do smell their male pheromones no matter how much surgery or makeup they've gotten. Dogs really are terfs!

No. 16631

ok not that anyone is waiting with bated breath to hear more, but i’m the coffee shop anon with the 70 year old TiM customer. last week my coworker, annie, brought up troonism kind of casually and i just decided to be totally honest with my opinions. turns out she was basically peaked anyway but was too scared to talk to me about it because she didn’t want me to think she was a bad person. it’s so fucking relieving. i can’t even explain how good it feels to have an irl friend i can discuss gender shit with. we’ve been discussing it sooo much the past few times we’ve worked together. i share a lot of the shit we talk about here and she’s 1000% peaked now, if she wasn’t before. we’ve both been holding our opinions in from everybody in our personal lives for so long. the biggest weight has been lifted off my shoulders, as dramatic as that sounds. being surrounded by handmaidens and TRAs does genuine damage to your brain i think. makes me feel like i’m hiding this terrible secret about myself, when in reality, being able to finally talk about it out loud just cemented my beliefs even further. i genuinely think so many more people would peak if we weren’t at risk of losing our fucking jobs over the simple act of questioning transgenderism

No. 16633

>>16631
Love that for you nona! This year has felt so much more peaked in general, like I can hear the distant rumble of a peaking thunderstorm coming. My favorite thing about peaking is that people really can't go back, once you know you know!

No. 16634

a leftist bookshop i went to today had copies of Females by Andrea Long Chu and it made me fucking homicidal

No. 16636

>>16617
I love the stories were animals are not buying their TRAs shit and treat them badly equally. Is quite sad because you know they were abused by men in the past, and then you have TIMs crying over a dog trying to attack him because it's afraid of men, and TRAs are like "why hasn't that dog being put to sleep?".

No. 16653

>>16495
It probably doesn't help you but she will always be a woman no matter what she does to her body.

No. 16654

>>16548
I love when nonas sperg out on here. They are always interesting reads and show how diverse our community is. "Terfs" come from all walks of life.
Anyway your analysis was really poignant and fun to read
I've always been a cat person but I really want a terf Shiba now

No. 16657

>>16617
I'm a crypto terf and I have a TRA friend whose dog completely hates men. A fully transitioned TIM acquaintance of mine who is a good friend of hers was in town several weeks ago, and they went over to her house to spend time with her animals. When the TIM was talking to me afterwards, he gushed about how nice my friend was, and how she had given him treats in the car outside ahead of time to make sure he made a good impression on the animals. Talking about how cute they were, any mention of the man-hating dog, who is by far the best looking of my friend's pets, was conspicuously absent.
Made me kek a bit, because when I first went over I a) had no issue with that dog and b) had not needed coaching ahead of time on how to approach the animals. If anything, his worst trait was that he was overly affectionate without realizing how large he was, which is cute. I've been over with other female friends too and this has always been the case regardless of how familiar he is with the woman.
As much of a bleeding heart TRA my friend is, sounds like she still at least subconsciously knew that the TIM would be clocked as male by the dog and made efforts to prevent an awkward situation. And it still didn't work because the TIM admitted to me later that the dog had been actively aggressive and hostile the entire time he was there.
Dogs really are the biggest TERFs.
>>16636
It can be this, but dogs also react with hostility to men even without a personal history of abuse from them because they pick up patterns of anxiety in their owners.
This similarly why it's been proven that dogs aren't actually racist as some people like to allege– they're reacting to prejudices or anxieties in their owners.
When it comes to men, I see it as a tell of how even handmaidens actually feel about men, ln a subconscious level at the very least. There's a history of domestic violence from men in my friend's family, and while none of the men are around anymore and my friend's dog wasn't around for any of it + came to thrm from a reputable breeder as a puppy with now history of abuse… He still recognizes men as people who make his owners anxious and identified the TIM as a man, regardless of how true my friend's insistence that she perceives him as a woman are.

No. 16665

>>16631
laxatives, either crushing the pills up with a mortar and pestle or broken up pieces of those chocolate laxatives. combine covertly with Buffalo Bill's brew.
you do the math.

No. 16671

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So you'll be the "boring gender" while cis would be "the cool gender".

No. 16674

>>16657
You made me remember that ep of King of Hills where Hank asks for help to a repairman to fix the water heater and he was angry at his attitude, so Ladybird attacks him. The repairman think she attacked him due racist reasons (he was Afro-American) and made Hank believe the racist was himself because he made Ladybird attack him.

Almost all the ep later, there is another repairman with the same hollier-than-thou attitude and Ladybird attacks him, and Hank realized he's not racist, he just dislikes repairmen that do not listen to him. At the end of the ep the first repair man (Mack) think Ladybird was going to attack him, but Hank asures him she attacked an Scottish-Irish repairman and for his propane gas company he promises that she's not, and turned out that she wanted some rubs and loving from Mack.

So yes, even if there are no abuse behind, dogs do tell when someone has bad intentions. Hell, sageblog but my neighbor's boxer barks at everybody except me and she let me pet her. She even growled a man that was following me to ask me for money.

No. 16714

>>16657
>As much of a bleeding heart TRA my friend is, sounds like she still at least subconsciously knew that the TIM would be clocked as male by the dog and made efforts to prevent an awkward situation. And it still didn't work because the TIM admitted to me later that the dog had been actively aggressive and hostile the entire time he was there.
Kek even in the best of circumstances the dog still knew! And that's why we stan queen terf shiba! The honesty of animals is amazing and pure. Troons really go against nature in every way, trying to deny reality and reshape their biology all in vain. I can't imagine the amounts of copium they need to inhale on the daily just to get through the day, it sounds exhausting.

No. 16716


No. 16717

>>16671
>homogender
you know this is an attempted "gotcha" joke based on homophobia, it's supposed to look ridiculous and unreasonable because surely everyone against troons must be straight white men, gay people couldn't possibly be agains troons extremely homophobic and bigoted views!

These people always fail to take into account that GC people don't buy into gender at all, that it doesn't fucking exist, it's not a physical thing… it's nothing but a spiritual/religious belief based on sex steretypes. There is no cis- or homogender because gender isn't real. Get your gross religious sex stereotypes out of our faces, we do not want them. I'm fully open to freedom of religion and their right to believe in gender, but they have to admit it IS a relgion and not based on science or facts and it has to stay out of schools.

It's like saying "i don't believe in god, i'm an atheist" and them going "oh wow you're going to hell for that, aren't you scared of satans wrath??" bitch no i don't believe in hell because it's part of the religion, what is it you don't get about that?

No. 16718

I gotta tell you anons about a troon I saw the other day. I saw a group of girls all in goth-ish fashion styles, I only saw them in periphery without paying that much attention. It still stuck out that one was noticably larger and bulkier, had a very unfortunate big ugly face with a giant skull. They sat down at the table next to us and not until I saw the shrek lookalike open its mouth and heard the deep man voice that came out and realize it was a troon. I was honestly a bit relieved because for a second I almost thought a real woman had to look that ugly kek. Once I had heard the voice I looked at him closer and immediately the male features were obvious. He had fishnet stockings and wore a jacket to try to hide his wide shoulders but it sure didn't help. I think he even had the typical troon choker necklace.
It's like a little lightbulb moment clocking someone, suddenly the disproportionate features all make sense.

No. 16747

TIMs have no idea how clockable they are online just by how they type.

No. 16765

>>16747
It's sort of incredible how well some of them affect their sickly-sweet 'trying too hard to sound female' voices into their text.

No. 16766

Rant incoming
I have to work with this TiM for a project and holy shit he is the most annoying person on the planet. He totally expects me to hold his hand and walk him through how to do everything, and is extremely manipulative. It is truly as though he doesn’t know that google exists, and will ask me questions about the smallest, easiest things.
And he has been messaging me multiple times a day about just random shit that he is doing, how his day is going, and on and on. I tried to respond at first because I do need to work with him, but now I am just ignoring him flat out.
The saddest part is that he is “one of the better ones” that actually recognizes that he is male and can never change that, and doesn’t try to hide that he is trans because everyone can tell he is male at first sight.
The good part is that one of my friends met him and it totally peaked her, although she was 90% of the way there anyway

No. 16789

>>16747
Tifs too! I didn't even think that much about male/female different writing styles before, but then troonism happened and somehow troons of both sexes end up being super steretypical in how they write. Half of them really do try to be "themselves" and end up sounding exactly like the sex they are, and the other half try to mimic the other sex and get it wrong 99% of the time.

I really think part of trooning out involves fundamentally not understanding that the other sex is different than you. These people think they can be/are the other sex (or nonbinary) specifically because of this delusion and lack of understanding the differences, so it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. A person who understands that males and females are different and then respects that would simply never troon out in the first place.And then this lack of understanding leads to funny little quirks in both sexes of troons, like having their writing style give away their sex without them getting how or why.

No. 16793

>>16766
>He totally expects me to hold his hand and walk him through how to do everything, and is extremely manipulative.
I hope you can be stern and put your foot down, tell him you know he knows how to use google and that you don't have time to do his part of the work for him when you have your own work to do.
If you can't do it directly at least make sure to shame him every time he asks a simple question, pop in lines like "do you seriously not even know the very basics of this?", "our professor/boss has made us use this method in several projects already, you should know it by now", "why don't you google it and see if you can figure it out, I'm busy working on my part".

Make sure you keep receipts like screenshots if he admits/pretends not knowing how to do something and then in private use it to tell the teacher/boss that you had to do all the work for the project, and also to tell/show your closest classmates/coworkers how lazy and manipulative he is.

It's especially effective if he claims to not know about something and forcing you to do it for him, if it's something you know he's done before in projects because it will make it obvious that he either lied and was manipulative on purpose, or he cheated in those previous projects. He comes out looking bad either way.

No. 16848

Peak first world problems here, but this really fun horror rpg I've been playing recently has a tim in it. I was kinda hoping it was just an instance of people transwashing an ambiguous character, but nope. The horror game that takes place in the forties has a troon in it. I really didn't expect the dev of the game to bend the knee to trannies, but here we are. The troon is easily the most obnoxious character too, very blatant wish fulfillment/self insert fuel. The troon is 18 and barely legal, is explicitly described to look underage, has practically everyone and everything in the game thirsting after him, has a female character whose only purpose is to be madly in love with him, and of course is the most dainty and waifish of the cast. He also has a bunch of 'quirky' and 'meta' dialogue (in a horror game, mind you) that isn't even remotely funny or interesting and just ruins immersion. His backstory is that he was groomed from infancy to be a girl and liked it. Honestly, it could have been an interesting character if all the troon shit was removed- it would still be a bit lame because trap shit, but I could at least overlook it. This character has also attracted a ton of gross troons to the fandom, and now even basic conversations can be intruded upon and turned sexual. There's even a man in the fandom, a hulking ugly fully grown man who loves to dress up as the troon and show the pics unsolicited. All it takes is one bad troon, I guess. Since this is an anonymous imageboard I don't see why I can't just namedrop the game I'm all pissy about: It's Fear and Hunger 2 Termina. The troon is Marina. Fuck you Mr. Dev for trooning up your otherwise awesome game.

No. 16850

>>16631
I’m happy that you’ve found an IRL peaked friend to share your feelings with! I have one IRL friend who I can kinda be honest with, but she still expresses some TRA views. I’m always reminded of the part in the book “The Handmaid’s Tale” (fuck Margaret Atwood for caving to troon pressure on Twitter) where the narrator uses the word “Mayday” to suss out whether her shopping partner is part of the cult or part of the resistance. I wish that there was a secret handshake or something that we terves could use.

I used to work at a coffee shop where this gross boorish moid was a regular customer. He used to come in, act like he owned the place, demand special treatment, and flirt with/casually touch us young female employees on the shoulders. I don’t think any of us liked him, but the other girls laughed at his jokes and did the whole fawning thing, probably as a defense mechanism. The coffee shop was a new struggling business so I guess none of us wanted to cause trouble by bringing this to the owner’s attention or straight up telling the guy to fuck off. I can’t imagine how much it would have sucked to deal with a similarly creepy customer but not be allowed to say anything without being accused of troonphobia.

After I quit the coffee shop, this moid somehow got my phone number (I’m not sure if one of the other employees gave it to him or if he peeped the employee contact sheet hanging up in the back room) and texted me something like “I’ll be thinking of you in ways you can’t imagine”. So I texted him back “You are a fat fuck and nobody likes you. I am blocking your number.” and he texted back something like “fuck u bitch ur ugly anyway”. It felt soooo satisfying. I hope that whenever you get a new job you can do something mean to make this tranny feel impotent rage.

No. 16852

>>16850
>So I texted him back “You are a fat fuck and nobody likes you. I am blocking your number.”
lmao nona

No. 16884

>>16848
LOL I could immediately tell what game it was just from the first third of this. FWIW, it's not clear that Samarie is an actual person. She still manifests in Marina's epilogue art the narratige for it requiring Samarie to be dead… So you can at least twist that offensive aspect of Marina's character into something less insulting. NGL, I'm not that mad at Marina's existence in the game. Given FaH's content it's not like I expected it to have decent stances.
Context for other nonnas, this is duology (so far) of games that are very heavy on sexual violence. It's up to interpretation how fetishistic that actually is, and to a degree I do think it is useful towards the oppressive atmosphere it tries to generate. But I'm not going to be shocked at troom depravity in it because it's a series where half the enemies overall have their penises hanging out and engorged, your characters can get raped in any number of unfortunate circumstances, and the first game even had anal bleeding as a status effect.
Just seems odd to mald over troon shit in this sort of game.

No. 16952

>>16884
Well, the reason I mald is that it's out of place and the troons it attracted to the fandom are extremely creepy. I guess I kinda imagined the dev would just be your run of the mill edgelord, but the dichotomy of including graphic and extremely disturbing content to a game plus trying to be very progressive and virtue signaling is just offputting. It's not in spite of the violent and disturbing content, but instead bolstered by it. Basically, it creeps me out a ton that it attracted not just your average every day edgelord, but instead troons who enjoy this kind of sexually violent content, likely uncritically, along with aggressively demanding access to women's most important spaces. It's not the biggest issue in the world, but it does upset me quite a bit to see those people.

No. 16974

tif i know is so basic in her tifness that it makes me mad. why are they all EXACTLY the same, right down to the retarded sexuality labels that are basically just straight/bihet but relabeled (she calls herself a "masc spec" lesbian i would be willing to bet she's never seen another woman's pussy in her LIFE)

No. 16988

>>16306
these terms are used by themselves, porn twitter accounts with troons use them because the first to be treated as a fetish are them.

No. 17003

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>>16474
>>16548
From that horrid image: Rowling did said "Lupin's condition of lycanthropy was a metaphor for those illnesses that carry a stigma, like HIV and AIDS”, so technically trans people are full of HIV and AIDS???

No. 17025

>>16974
>why are they all EXACTLY the same
Because it's a social contagion and a fashion trend, it's why those "tif charts" are scarily accurate

This is the most common tif I see (trans and enby, both look exactly the same):
>short hairstyle, but not TOO short so it can't be something like a buzzcut or full shave
>50% chance on dyed or bleached hair
>is noticeably overweight
>wears baggy tshirts and hoodies, typically black but the longer she's been a tif the more feminine images and color she adds
>baseball cap and army shorts on sunny days, serving a "lost little boy aesthetic"
>hasn't gotten her tits amputated yet, may wear a binder but even if she doesn't she's convinced just a baggy hoodie makes her pass and look fully male
>has one of two childish manners: she either acts like one herself, or talks down to others as if she's explaining something to a child
>does not know how to interract like an adult (or with age appropriate maturity)
>just started T and has a tiny bit of facial hair coming in, it looks patchy at best
>voice has started to sound froggy
>mild autistic or adhd symptoms, may or may not be aware of it herself

No. 17027

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>>17003
It will never cease to delight me that troons can't stop loving the Harry Potter fandom so much. They've spent years calling JKR a terf nazi monster, saying she is literally killing trans people, that she should die for her transphobic crimes. They literally BEGGED and threatened the whole world with fists raised and tears in their eyes not to play Hogwarts Legacy, to burn her books, to denounce her fully and never give her any money or listen to her at all. They literally think she is and openly call her "transphobic Hitler".

But they STILL can't stop themselves. They love her books, the love the movies, they love the HP world and fandom. Even when half of them are claiming she is genociding trans people (and they full heartedly mean it) the other half still can't let go of this one fandom. No matter how much they hate her, how proudly trans they are, and claiming supporting her is killing trans people… they can't give up this one thing for them.

They can drink all the copium they want and claim to not support JKR and just support the fandom but ultimately they really love her work and keep asking for more content of it. Like this one wants to see more of Remus, the character JKR created, because they love the character and can't give him up even after being told by their own trans community that it's trans genocide to support her. They keep her and her work relevant by always bringing her up.

No. 17061

>>17025
oh man when i said "tif" i actually meant *enbie. you still described her pretty well though, minus all the surgical stuff

No. 17064

>>17061
the surgical parts are just a question of time really, they all creep closer towards getting all the surgeries. enbys cut off their breasts to look more "gender neutral", but they've yet to explain exactly how a mutilated female body is more neutral and less female

No. 17079

>>17027
It's because of this I want owls to be the official terf symbol kek

No. 17089

>>17079
We have terf shiba and terf owl, united in the fight against troons

No. 17090

>>17027
Speaking of which (or witch), I feel like the day Emma Watson peaks is gonna be a big day. I pray she'll speak up about it but I fear she's pandered too much to have the courage for it. But as JKR wrote "it takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends". I hope she'll follow it.

No. 17093

My me friend/coworker asked me to go shopping with her because I'm into fashion and she wants to develop more of a personal style but our TIM coworker invited himself and is coming with us and asked me to help him with his "makeover". He literally doesn't present at all as a "woman", uses a male name, and just vaguely alludes to his ~dysphoria~. I genuinely have no idea how to get out of this I'll probably just make up an excuse day-of but I was really excited to help my friend get some cute outfits

No. 17094

Hey nonas, I need some advice. Extremely frustrated by some things being said by two of my TIF friends— one no effort enby and the other that I can only describe as a very typical TIF but with no medical intervention. They’re talking about public perception and how bad it feels to be “perceived as a woman”. I got over that shit a long time ago and it feels so gross to hear. I KNOW it’s the same feelings misogyny imprinted on me when I was their age/going through the same thing, so I really like to hope that me not caring about perception or identity and being somewhat gnc sets a good example.
Actual thing need advice with: latter friend said something about how she is perceived as “effeminate”. She’s not effeminate at all. She clearly means female. I told her that she doesn’t come off as feminine at all— she doesn’t. She just looks female, because… of course she does. She is. How the fuck do I communicate that concept to her without a) being branded as a bigot or b) triggering her body image issues?? It just feels so bad to not be able to share this with her. I want to help so badly. I may have a little bit of a savior complex kek. If it’s a lost cause just tell say so. Mostly just needed to vent I think. I hate gender ideology and what it does to autistic girls.

No. 17095

>>17094
Maybe not the answer you're looking for but you could ignore the masculine/feminine thing entirely and take the "no one actually gives a shit about you or spends even a fraction of a second thinking all the things you think they're thinking" route. The good ol "do YOU think this much about random people you pass on the street?" I know it doesn't address misogyny at all, but maybe you can encourage some humility and comfort in her own skin at the least. I read a story a while back about a mother who pulled her daughter out of the cult by taking her on trips to the outdoors and focusing on activities that utilized her body as a useful tool and not an ornament. Maybe a similar approach could work here. Don't engage with the gender stuff at all, encourage a utility based mindset, and maybe embarrass her a little for even caring what others think, and hopefully with time she might come to the realization you actually want her to have on her own.

No. 17102

>>17093
Can you try telling your friend you'd rather just go the two of you and reschedule? You're not friends with this guy, he invited himself even though it made you uncomfortable and you only watned to go with your friend and it's reasonable to only want a strictly professional relationship with some coworkers who you are not close with. I would avoid leaving your friend alone with a TIM, that's just cruel and she might secretly not be into him being there either. You do NOT owe this man pretending to be a woman anything. If he gets mad at you over it at least he won't bother you about it anymore. And to be frank even casual handmaidens can admit that a bearded man who goes by their male name isn't very trans kek

I'd just talk/text her something like "Honestly I really just wanted to go with just you, just the two of us. Could we cancel it and reschedule? I'm not even close with Guy and would rather keep it that way and not hang out with them after work. If you wanna go with Guy I can hang out with you on another day though". If she's ok with it you can make up an excuse for one/both of you like some family thing you have to go to came up so you cancelled it for now. Then you two pick a new date behind his back, don't tell him about it of course, and if he asks just allude to "maybe some other time, nothing is decided".

No. 17103

>>17094
I like what >>17095 said here
>maybe embarrass her a little for even caring what others think
I don't know their ages but subtly point out how incredibly childish, vain and self-absorbed it is to be obsessed with how other people view you. Because it is!

If you're brave you can point out that telling a woman (you) or just talking about it within earshot of a woman, that it's gross to be percieved as a woman is really mean and misogynistic and women get shit on enough as it is. Then when they naturally jump to saying you can't possibly understand what they feel like as trans/nonbinary you tell them "YOU'd never understand since you're enby/trans, and NOT women. WOMEN have to deal with SO much misogyny just for being ourselves, including from trans people who think even being perceived as one of us is gross. I wouldn't be grossed out if someone thought I was nonbinary or trans or even a man, something for you to think about."

If that's too direct for you, you can do things like join the discussions by seemingly agreeing with them but you change everything to being about just things women struggle with, since that's your perspective. Like "it sucks being a woman because people expect you to be feminine ALL the time when most women aren't", "some dumbasses even think women HAVE to like makeup, when plenty of women are tomboys or just want to dress comfortably and not give a damn about their looks". So literally just keep saying these obvious feminist points about women. Hopefully something will eventually click within them.

No. 17250

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Please someone do a "fight for women rights".

No. 17251

>>17027
And I bet some of them bought the Hogwarts Legacy, but hide their stream thing for the "let's find who bought this transphobic game so we can attack them" page. They even added a trans character and his name was supposed to mean "Sea siren" but people were offended for the SIR-ona.

No. 17254

>>17251
In one of my fandom discord groups most people were saying they're not playing the game because it's transphobic, a few of us were saying we wanted to play it and got side eyed really hard for it. I play innocently dumb every time the topic of troons come up so they think I'm just ignorant and not a gender critical terf kek

Flash forward to a few weeks ago when I hung out with my friend in person and find out despite him very clearly saying "no way, not interested in playing it at all" in public he did secretly play it and liked it, and he told me so did another girl from the group chat who had also denied it.
I know both of them are still unpeaked, but it made me feel so good knowing they were just lying about it because they understand the backlash they'd get. Hearing him say that people were stupid for complaining about the name etc was great. That's step 1 to peaking, to see how ridiculous they act and only pretend to go along even though the doubts are staring to appear in your mind. Eventually they'll be pushed far enough to peak and I can't wait

No. 17255

>>17254
I love also how many of these TRAs used the ending so people can stop playing the game. Most of the fans were there when the "Snape killed Dumbledore" and "Voldemort killed Snape" was so common, that spoiler wasn't going to make people stop playing the game to find how it happened (plus the small quests).

No. 17257

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>>17251
I hate males for inventing misogyny, if only because women’s self hate is expressed in a way where I’m now forced to look at this retarded shit everywhere. Especially when it’s fic after fic of PiV sprinkled everywhere in my yaoi. Nobody’s browsing through the m/m tag actively wanting to read about a limp arm skin roll fucking a dry pussy. Not my yaoi! reeee

No. 17260

>>17257
>MFW not even BSD is safe.

No. 17263

>>17257
>Not my yaoi
This is me every time I see one, or even both characters in a slash pairing I like drawn with mastectomy scars. I’d think it was obvious I’m not here for PiV, dammit!

No. 17264

>>17263
There was a secret in Fandom Secrets about how OP dislikes when authors leave their Trans fics untagged and of course TIFs came claiming "PIV IS STILL GAY!!". No, TIF, is not.

No. 17266

A friend and I gave our friend a couple of velvet pumpkins with a male and female skeleton carved in each as a birthday gift, when I pointed out (since we gave them to her separately) that they were a pair someone made a "how heteronormative" as a passing joke and my friend immediately went "OH NO! Well I decide that they are trans now! A beautiful trans couple!". I could feel my soul leaving my body.

No. 17296

>>17263
Why do yaoifags prefer seeing buttsex? Is there a reason? Because it's taboo?

No. 17317

>>17296
not a fujo but they just don't want women to be involved when these men degrade each other, not rocket science

No. 17399

>>17296
AYRT. Good question KEK I guess I just enjoy seeing men in vulnerable (and sexual) situations

No. 17401

Idk what to do anymore! I got on Tumblr as a preteen and immediately fell into trans stuff because I was a nerdy fandom-brained autistic GNC lesbian who had a history of abuse at the hands of men. I was a themlet for years until the cognitive dissonance was too much, but the thing is literally all of my (female) friends over the last decade have trooned out and wouldn't understand if I said I'm just a normal lesbian and not some boyish celestial spirit or whatever the fuck.

So many of them insist they're true and honest men (despite being the most gender conforming women ever) and admit they are only trans because of yaoi, then they date predatory men and pretend it's uwu gay. Idk how I ever fell for this shit or why I believed they were "gay" like me considering that even at my trooniest, I only dated other Aidens.

It hurts realizing my whole friend group who I grew up with is homophobic, it hurts that they all get so uncomfortable when I say even the mildest things like "same sex attraction" instead of "same gender attraction," it hurts knowing they are why I struggled to accept that I'm a lesbian, it hurts so much I wish I could unpeak, but I have tried and tried and tried and I can't.

I'm also extremely resentful that instead of addressing my trauma history and underlying mental health issues, all of my therapists just affirmed affirmed affirmed my dissociated metaphysical body hatred bullshit. This shit is just escapism on steroids and it makes me so upset, I swear it's like some modern lobotomy shit. I quit therapy and refuse to go back. Fuck them for telling me I was trans when there were so many other explanations, like gee, I wonder why a bulimic teenage girl who cuts herself after years of being beaten and sexually assaulted by men might feel uncomfortable with her body. They should have their licenses revoked, all of them. I was vulnerable and they just made everything worse. I hate them so much. The worst part is every therapist I had was a woman because I'm afraid of men (which should have maybe also been a sign that I obviously am not one, ffs) and they still did this.

On the bright side, my mom makes me feel more sane, she's GNC and always told me a woman can be anything, and now I feel bad that I didn't listen because everyone kept telling mr she was twansphobic and abusive. We've made up and are closer than ever but I'm still so so upset that I put her through so much. I cry about it often still. I drank the koolaid and it's all so fucking evil. I was a child! I'm just so angry and hopeless. I haven't really spoken to many of my friends in awhile and I can tell they think it's weird that I am so distant now, but I just can't deal with their obvious internalized misogyny and homophobia and inability to critically think about anything.

Sorry this is so long, I haven't ever admitted this anywhere and it's been stewing for over a year now. I feel like I woke up from a long stupor and still feel so groggy and confused. I am so angry and hurt and idk where to put all of it, it just boils over inside me and makes me feel crazy.

No. 17403

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Already skeptical of trans stuff but this whole “protect trans children” was the tipping point to my peaking. My mom works at a preschool in a very liberal state and they have at least 5 kids who identify as trans or non binary, 10 years ago that number was zero.

No. 17404

>>17401
I'm sorry you had to go through all that nona!
>It hurts realizing my whole friend group who I grew up with is homophobic
Realizing your friends were terrible and misguided all along really sucks. Letting go hurts, but in the end you'll be so so much better off without them. They're in a literal cult mindset, you were lucky and strong to be able to get out of it but they can't get there themselves until they want to on their own. Until/if that happens they'll only drag you down with them and harm you further. It's NOT your job to save them. If you're going to distance yourself from them anyway (which you 100% should) then you could drop in a last "I'm going to/have detransitioned". If they ever come out of it they'll possibly know you're a safe peaked person too, you know? And if not at least it'll keep their cultist minds away from you as you're now a tainted detrans non-believer.

You need real friends who actually accept you for real and won't drag you further into delusions. So glad you have your mom! It's not entirely your fault you didn't listen before - trans ideology is a cult and they wanted you to cut her out of your life, so of course they'd tell you lies to make you not trust her when you were vulnerable and traumatized. I'm sure your mom doesn't blame you and is just happy to have you back.

Detransitioners are starting to gain traction and sue medical practioners and if you're feeling up for it you could try it too. Look up and contact Beyond Trans if you're interested. They may also be able to get you in touch with real non-affirming therapists who see the dangers of trans ideology and affirming. At the very least I hope you could email your previous therapist or doctor and tell them how you feel, let them know they hurt you through sheer negelct and stupidity. Because as you said, how the fuck did they not take ANY of your very real traumas and problems into account?? That's really gross. Just don't make any threats or anything kek I trust you're smart enough not to.

I know we don't know each other but I'm really rooting for you nona! I'm mad that you got hurt and I'm happy you got out of the cult. You can beat this, you can take your life back! Come back and spam in this vent thread any time you need to, it's what it's here for. Good luck nona!

No. 17406

Recently I found out that the webmistress of a fansite I loved as a child has trooned out. She has not gotten any surgeries, she's just deep into gender ideology and believes she's a gay man in spite of being with her husband since her teens. Now she's obsessed with Tranny Fantasy XIV, she claims it's the game that made her discover she's trans because her character is a catboy and Haurchefant is gay for him.

It's sad and disappointing but I am not surprised at all because she was misogynistic AF towardsmany female videogame characters.

No. 17410

>>17403
>"neither of my children is cisgender"
Becasue their confused mommy-daddy groomed them into an ideology. Those kids are at best going to grow up to hating their mom and at worst be messed up beyond repair and it will be all her fault.
>"would prefer them to be dead"
They never said that, no one ever said that. Even the most conservative people or gender critical terf has ever wanted the "trans kids" to be hurt - everyone has always just wanted them to be healthy and happy, and to not get abused through transition.

She's the kind of person who will never back down because she is literally sacrificing her kids' lives to the ideology. To be able to live with herself she can't ever admit what she's doing is wrong, it takes an incredibly strong character to be able to do that and most trans parents are narcs or mentally ill.

No. 17439

>>15330
Anyone else tilted that the Barbie movie has a troon in it? It’s not just the fact that there’s a TiM barbie, the movie is very “men can’t do shit while women are underestimated and forced to deal with so much shit”. TiM Barbie implies he was once a Ken, but “became” a Barbie. How come TiM Barbie isn’t retarded like all the other retarded Kens. It just screams “actually trans women speshul and always the same as women. their male socialization has absolutely no affect on how they act, think, and feel.” Also the fucking voice and adams apple made him instantly clockable.

No. 17453

Vid rel was interesting and even brought up medical misogyny being proof that women tend to get auto immunities. And I was following along until it said even trans women have autoimmune issues too, I should have seen the red flag when he said "identified". He already said in the first part of the video how men get them too kek.

No. 17522

>>17453
>it said even trans women have autoimmune issues too
To my understanding they do, because they take estrogen and that's a cause for autoimmune issues. Some detrans men have talked about how they're now permanently fucked up from auto immune stuff because they took estrogen. They could have been healthy if they hadn't chosen to take drugs not meant for their bodies.

No. 17523

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Just learned a dev that I looked up to for years but never really followed is a fucking troon. Feel like this whole fucking time I've been living a lie. All it took for me to realize was playing one fucking game in my Steam library because I was bored and now I'm questioning everything. I must have been fucking retarded at 13 if I really thought this shit was peak writing. Picrel

No. 17524

>>17439
Are you fucking kidding me? I thought it was bad enough that they let a troon be a Barbie, but they actually acknowledge it in the movie?

No. 17529

>>17524
They don't. The character is in like two, perhaps three pretty quick scenes and he had maybe five lines in total. Still stands out like a sore thumb though.

No. 17543

>>17524
Nah, hes barely has any scenes. Also there is scene where the ceo says they are for female empowerment bc they have gender neutral toilets, which was satire so Greta def knows about the co-op of feminism by trannies.

No. 17546

>>17543
>get a tranny to act in a movie that makes fun of trannies
Greta is a genius.

No. 17550

>>17439
Who was the tranny barbie or what did they look like? I don't remember seeing them in the movie.

No. 17551

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>>17550
It's Hari Nef

No. 17577

I'm having to join discord servers because of the twitter thing. Every single one of them makes you state pronouns and I'm having to get more and more creative to avoid that shit lol.

>>17522
Oh definitely, video mentions medical transitioning being a part of it. But I feel it really just threw that "trans wimmin too btw" in for tra brownie points.

No. 17578

>>17577
>very single one of them makes you state pronouns and I'm having to get more and more creative to avoid that shit lol
Some ideas
>I haven't decided and it feels like a lot of pressure, but unoffically just call me she/her for now (to avoid them assuming that means they/them)
>My native language doesn't do that so I don't really get it I'm just a woman
>I don't want my native culture to be erased and americanized and we don't do pronouns, in our culture it's a sign of being a colonizer oppressor to have pronouns in your bio (you can use this even if you're american but have roots to any other non-english speaking country.)
>I want to be anonymous online so I avoid pronouns
>I need to think about it and will add them later (and just never do it)
>I'm too old for pronouns, you kids have fun with it though
>omg people still do pronouns?? ok millennial, you want some avocado toast with that lol
>uh we stopped doing pronouns in middle school…

No. 17580

>>17578
Thank you for these! I just sidestepped it for now and said "woman" somewhere. I like the angle of pretending to be unaware though. So far it's impossible to nparticipate for some servers that make you get pronoun roles to get access but I can bypass the written intros like the ones you typed. I hate how saying "I don't care" and tras will interpret it as they/them kek.

No. 17667

>>17580
One thing I've done in a group setting was to reply "Just regular female ones." in a pretty dead pan voice. I tried to communicate that even though I sort of participate to not cause trouble, I don't use their language (by avoiding saying "she/her" which is what they want) and I remind them that there's a regular normal way to use the words that we all know. It lets other gender critical people know that I'm not in the gender cult. Yet at the same time I could just be "uneducated" and I did pretty much give my pronouns so the TRA can't really call me out kek
This was face to face though, people are less likely to want to start a fight irl and just move along.

Saying she/her (or any other combo) in the way they expect and want is like saying "amen" and confirming "yes, I believe in the Gender Cult, yes I will play by the Gender Gospel Rules" so it throws people off when you do it differently. Doesn't have to be a big change, just "wrong". Break their rituals.

Breaking their rituals just enough to throw them off is a good way to start to peak people. They rely on these rituals for comfort and it keeps them from thinking because they just follow the scripts. Same reason we have greetings, just with more ideology. Like if you say "good morning" and the other person doesn't greet you back you feel something is off, they didn't do the social interaction "correctly". Eventually you'll stop saying good morning because you didn't get socially rewarded for saying it so you stop seeing the point of it.

No. 17668

Advice needed, nonas. A guy that I’m seeing is starting to talk about being non-binary. When my longest relationship ended I managed to barely escape being a transwidow, which made me wary of potential gender-special males. The current guy in question is an exception.

Alas, I can't help but feel for him because he's been through a lot of trauma, coming from a very conservative country with a fucked up family. I’ve always been attracted to androgynous and GNC people; that’s what made me attracted to him in the first place. God, how I miss the days when men sported long hair and eyeliner without being ensnared by the spinny skirt quicksand. Why can’t men just be pretty men anymore?

I'm crypto, and wonder if there's any way to gently and slowly but surely make him spit out the troon pill? I think that trying to peak him with TRA atrocities/activities will sound off alarms in his head. I think the safer route consists of more obvious and palatable ideas, like showing him that being sensitive and experimenting with fashion and makeup (or lack of) doesn’t make anyone less of a man or a woman. That creating a billion more labels is just giving into and furthermore upholding gender norms; it’s far more ~stunning and brave~ to stand your ground as a man that simply enjoys self-expression; anyone can do anything; etc. We're still very young (20), so I try to hold onto hope. Any suggestions? Similar experiences or success stories? Appreciate you all.

No. 17669

>>17439
The entire movie pissed me off. I loved barbie as a kid and I like Margot Robie but it was offensive in so many ways. It didn't hold men accountable for their own actions it infantilizes them which absolved them of responsibility despite having a mildly sympathetic cause (kens aren't rapists like real men are). I knew that they wouldn't get feminism right so it pissed me off that they tried at all instead of just being fun.
I'm pretty sure that the troon barbie was supposed to be not a troon in universe but that was only my reading. Why would a created doll ever be trans? Iirc it was supposed to be a fluke that barbie connected with the woman who played with her at all.

No. 17671

>>17669
Idc as long as it keeps breaking records and making scrotes mad I’ll keep supporting the Barbie movie

No. 17675

>>17669
I mean it literally stated that men created and were responsible for upholding the patriarchy, and that it benefits all men even the useless ones despite benefiting the ones in charge the most. Not sure how deeper a pg13 movie can go?

No. 17685

>>17669
I didn't hate the movie despite the "baby's first feminism". Knowing they had casted a troon to play a barbie i expected muuuuch worse and for it to have a bunch of troon pandering. I don't agree with the anon who said it implies he was a Ken-to-Barbie, he was clearly casted to just be a regular barbie. But if you were to judge the movie as a TRA you'd have to deem it transphobic for always saying girls and women without including gender neutral language, with the exception of the one mention… from a greedy corporate CEO kek

Barbie has always been a feminist icon with a "girls can do/be anything" message so while it does suit the brand I also would have preferred just a silly adventure movie without the feminism. I did like how it called out the fact that her original message had been corrupted and she got blamed for womens problems instead.

No. 17710

I work in higher education and it’s sooooooo grating how practically every single time I get an email from someone (faculty, staff member, student) or look up someone’s profile on a university website I am confronted with their pronouns. It’s like everyone has declared their allegiance to a fucking cult and it drives me crazy.

I don’t put my pronouns in my email signature (never have, never will, nobody in my workplace has ever questioned me about it. I’m definitely in the minority by (not) doing so) and I’m guessing that 90% of the people who do include them are doing so because they’re good polite liberals who have been told it’s the right thing to do, and they’re scared of what will happen if they don’t follow the herd. I can’t wait for the day when this troon shit is recognized for the social contagion that it is and we’re allowed to openly TERF on main.

No. 17712

At first I didn't really understand why some people were calling this atrocity a cult but jesus christ it's a perfect description. Just a few years ago no one even mentioned this shit and then all of sudden boom - so many of the women I know turned into handmaidens in the blink of an eye. And of course they're all terminally online twittertards and they all use the very same phrases, the brainwashing couldn't be more obvious. The only thing I don't understand is how do you even fall for this crap in the first place? Did they just collectively lose all of their braincells the moment the pandemic started? Because I really can't imagine how fucking brainless you have to be to hear about the "trans genocide" or see some rapehon's selfie and be like "oh yes this is totally a woman just like me!". Clown world.

No. 17716

>>17712
>https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/are-we-in-a-500-year-religious-revolution
>https://www.thedistancemag.com/p/gender-identity-is-a-new-gnostic

If you’re in a reading mood, these 2 essays really put stuff into perspective nonnie. Tl;dr as educated Western liberals rely less on “traditional” religions to teach people about right and wrong, wokeness has crept in as a replacement for a moral compass, and transgenderism has emerged as the most extreme sect of this new woke religion. Especially for liberal white people, white privilege is treated as a replacement for Christian original sin, and you can’t identify out of being white (unless you’re Rachel Dolezal) but you can identify out of being “cisgender”, thereby eliminating some of your evil privilege.

No. 17770

Have there been any similar social contagions in modern history like the troon/woke cult movement we are going through right now? How did they disappear from the public eye?

No. 17913

>>17770
Anorexia/eating disorders. Like for example asian countries where they had virtually 0 cases suddenly had a massive boom of young girls having eating disorders all at the same time, all because they had reported on eating disorders in western countries in their local media.

Being skinny wasn't always the ideal, then suddenly it was. Suddenly you were "bad" if you're not skinny. If you didn't agree and said you think some curves look better you'd be ridiculed because obviously skinny was objectively sexier and everyone could see it! And during that time EDs had a boom.

Being trans wasn't always the ideal, then suddenly promoting it was. Suddenly you're boring and basic if you're cis. If you don't believe in trans ideology you're objectively wrong because everyone can see trans is totally real! And now there's a trans boom.

People become blinded by the current group think.

No. 17915

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>>17770
I can't think of anything on this scale (probably because troons latched onto legitimate social justice movements for legitimacy), but pic related definitely rings true kek

Or maybe something like the hippie/counterculture movement of the 60s?

No. 17916

>>17770
Maybe lobotomy?

No. 17918

how to cope with knowing your friends want to destroy their bodies in the name of “self-love”when all they’re really doing is maladaptively responding to body image and identity issues

No. 17919

>>17918
samefag put sage in the wrong field, my bad

No. 17920

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Trans-formers are machines, no homo sapiens, Tim.

No. 17921

>>17920
they're too late we already claimed

No. 17922

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>>17921
Perfect pins from sane people to sane people!

No. 17923

>>17922
lol so now it's okay to support a company that is paying dust to artists on there to own le ebil terfs

No. 17926

>>17915
These graphs don't hold up in arguments with TRAs because the logic when they say that [insert trans variant here] has always existed is that the reason why we see so many more now is because they trans people finally have the language/safety to be openly trans. So yes, to them, in 1883 there absolutely were just as many troons as there are today, they were just all repressed and unaware of it.

No. 17932

>>17926
No arguments hold up with TRAs because they're delusional, but that graph is just a bit of a joke about how nb seemingly came into existence the moment emo faded away. I think we can all see how emo kids of the past translate into the genderspecials of today.

Anyway if they bring up the whole
>We always existed!!
nonsense you can always ask them how they existed without killing themselves as a child due to a lack of gender affirming treatments kek

No. 17933

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TRAs using the hashtag meant to display misogyny towards women to promote their mediocre art is peak online activism.

No. 17936

>>17915
>>17926
It's gonna be so funny to watch the enby trend die out (pretty sure it already is on the decline as people are peaking more every day) and then watch them explain why there suddenly isn't a new enby-variation. They'll probably just say it's because people are hostile towards them again though, but they'll fail to see at that point it will be 50% former troons and TRA who peaked who are hostile.

No. 17937

>>17932
>nonsense you can always ask them how they existed without killing themselves as a child due to a lack of gender affirming treatments kek
Good point kek amazing how they all managed to "always" exist with this excruciating gender dysphoria, and according to them going from maybe 10 to a million troons in 2 years is totally natural and they're all valid trans people. And all of them will kill themselves if they don't get life saving trans health care - so where were all those millions suicides before? Unless they want to argue it was easier to be trans/enby before modern times?

No. 17938

>>17918
Challenge them on it any way you can

No. 17939

>>17933
nothing troons love more than cheap, tacky, mass produced worthless trinkets made by poor workers and unpaid labor

No. 17951

>>17716
I had never realized how similar the TRA movement and Christianity are and also how esoteric their mantras sound. Absolutely devoid of logic but not chanting their mantras is basically social suicide. This also explains why the hadmaidens I was talking about in my post use "cis" (or their favorite "cishet") as something offensive and shameful kek. All the time I hear them say stuff like "ew I don't want to look cishet", "you're cis, you have it so easy so be happy you're not living in constant fear of getting hatecrimed", "trans people's existence is threatened every day, cis people are sooo spoiled and privileged" and so on. This whole circus has even come to a point where they are putting troons' feelings before our relationships. Calling me, their friend and relative, a bigot for not kissing the asses of random twitter trannies who say shit like "I will slice your throat open if you're a terf and don't take my girlcock".
I got a bit carried away but yeah, thank you for the essays nonni, they gave me some insight and explained some things I was thinking better than I ever could.

No. 17960

>>17933
>Using Sailor Moon characters to be misogynistics when Naoko create them to show women power without moids help

Classic.

No. 17969

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Posted this in the regular vent thread first but figured it fit better here.
I was a tomboy as a teen in the mid-to-late 2000's, when it was pretty popular for boys to look a bit more feminine, so I would occasionally be mistaken for a moid, this also happened a lot online because I apparently "wrote like a guy" (I still don't know what that means). And every time I got mistaken for one I felt this weird feeling of empowerment, like "haha, you thought I was a MAN? FOOL!", but I couldn't quite point out what it was that I enjoyed so much about it. While I have figured out that what I'm feeling is like gifrel, it makes me wonder if that is what some tifs and gendies think makes them not women.

No. 17978

>>17969
I personally often enjoyed the fact that I was assumed to be some intelligent dude, one of them. Me being a woman confirmed both that they were sexist and that their sexism was stupid and wrong.

No. 17994

>>15788
Nayrt, but are you from Argentina, nonita? The every-radfem-is-a-polilez thing is true here, too. Would be really interesting to know if you are actually from here since I'm bi and I don't think I want to get too involved with activist groups if they hate bi women so much, kek.

No. 18010

>>17951
>I had never realized how similar the TRA movement and Christianity are
Nta but I've noticed people who are religious are way more likely to buy into the trans ideology. The individual can even be atheist themselves, just being brought up in a family or culture where religion is valued seems to be enough. I'm guessing if you were brought up in an environment where they consciously or subconsciously teach you that "blind faith in things you don't understand" is good and the natural state of humans it rubs off on you whether you like it or not. Same reason people who have left a cult is more likely to end up in yet another one, they were primed for accepting those thought patterns. So having come from a Christian background makes it easy to fall victim for a movement that functions similarly.

It's true on a wider scale as well, the nordic countries are seen as pretty "woke", some of the most supportive of LGBT stuff in the world, feminism etc… they should be like Canada and be a gender hellhole, but they instead were among the first to roll back on gender care when Canada doubled down. The main difference seems to be the general lack of religion and instead a belief in science. These are my own observations though, I could be wrong.

No. 18012

>>17969
I use my nickname since always and people think I'm a man until they notice I'm a woman in my portfolio. I feel like that gif.

No. 18024

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Two online acquaintances of mine from different circles came out as TiMs. I'm SO frustrated.

No. 18025

>>18024
kek the image is so true! If troons knew how much almost every single person in their life is lying to them they'd be shocked, even more so if they knew how many of their friends are secretly terfs/gender critical and talking about them behind their backs. It's what happens when you try to live a lie and want everyone to play along.

I had a falling out with a male (autist) friend recently but just before that he had expressed distress over one of his (very few) female gaming friends being kicked out of the group for "transphobia" towards one of the poor innocent troons in the group (who had naturally acted like an ass to her). Some others wanted to let her back in to the group, and my friend was mad and upset they wanted to take the transphobe back in just a year later. It delighted me to hear the others didn't care that much and wanted to let her back. And it delighted me to see her obviosuly-peaked-female posts that got her banned in the first place, knowing she was secretly a terf in their pro-troonery gaming group for ages before she snapped and they found out.

No. 18026

>>15801
It's CTK-anon again, disappointed to see him apologize for an old troon/trap joke in a recent video. At least he also said "saying a racist/transphobic joke doesn't mean you ARE a racist/transphobe". Still sad to see him cave in to pressure, but maybe the previous video mentioned where he makes fun of and misgenderes a troon got him backlash and he felt like he had to say it all to cover his ass. I only half listened to the long ramble but I'm pretty sure he still didn't say anything like "twaw", which is still the expected thing to say for an ally so I'm still thinking he's a lot less woke than he pretends to be (and hopefully most youtubers are.).

No. 18071

>>18026
>hopefully most youtubers are
Honestly I think most content creators actually are, ESPECIALLY veteran youtubers.

No. 18073

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Had to unfollow this lesbian ig account today. Posted this dumbass shit about a man ID’ing as a butch lesbian and how much of a woman it makes him feel like. I wish I could go off in the comment section. It’s almost impossible to find lesbian positivity accounts that don’t post trannies. Absolutely disgusting.

No. 18136

>>18073
I wish social media at least had "secret" dislike buttons or something. It's annoying to be silenced because the homophobic child-chopping cult will go after you if you express minor disagreement. Currently I will mark as not interested and report the post, knowing full well nothing will actually come from it but at least I'm doing something lol

No. 18137

>>18071
I wish more celebs, be it old school ones or new social media ones, came out as gender critical and spoke out against the OBVIOUS lies the TRA are pushing that are actively harming children. Instead they performatively support it. They're all gonna look like such idiots, in maybe 10 years supporting "trans health care" for children will be looked at as someone today would have looked at "pushed diet pills and stomach surgeries on anorexic kids" and they can only pray people in the future will have moved on from cancel culture by then or they'll be out of a job real quick.

No. 18146

>>18024
I always wonder how my online they/them female friends would react if they knew how I really feel. I've been peaked for years and afaik they've never suspected once.

No. 18147

I laugh my ass off every time some troon starts complaining about how he's so ~discriminated against~ or ~endangered~ in the US so he's planning on emigrating. Dude where the fuck are you gonna go? The only people who go along with your delusions are equally deluded terminally online liberals from rich western countries who have no actual problems and spend their lives on twitter. If you try to come to my country you will get beaten up by moids who see you before you even get off the plane kek. And don't even think about calling the police, they'll most likely join the fun so it's in your best interest that they don't know.

No. 18148

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>>18146
I content myself that we probably agree on the same things if I break it down enough but the terf word is too scary to discuss anything. I want to peak a TRA friend so bad, she's so close yet so far… We got into a convo where she somehow understands lesbians into "afab ftms" but cant understand that lesbian means homosexual female and won't date tims lol.

No. 18149

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>>17994
AYRT, I am, actually! Fellow Argentinian bi, are you single? Don’t break my heart.

No. 18152

TIMs are actually right that a ton of TIFs, especially they/them girlies, hate them and cannot detect terfy talking points to save their lives. It's funny to me more than anything, but also frustrating because it's like they're so close, but so far. At this point, TIFs are just nerdy women who self segregate by sex–I haven't heard a male voice on call in years and it's not even intentional, I just hang out in TIF-heavy online spaces and they are very female only kek. A lot of them honestly only seem interested in pronouns as an aesthetic thing, I've met a few irl and they all tense up if you use the pronouns in front of normies because it's just an online larp and they know it. Most of them aren't even GNC in any meaningful way, they're just fandom-brained women who are scared of men and don't talk to them, so their idea of gender is totally distorted by anime and other media. But they hate everything about TIMs, they just don't know it because TIMs are conceptual to them. Like so you hate incels, pathetic men, coomers, pedos, uwu animu catgirls, and sex pests who bother lesbians, but support TIMs? Nah. They support them in name only; it's easy to support people if you don't actually know anything about them. I just think it's hilarious that TIMs are constantly whining about the lack of asspats and saying they think TIFs don't see them as women deep down, and ime that's sooo true. Good, you love it to see it, seethe harder, go Aiden go, etc.

No. 18154

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>>18152
Actually chudcel, youngshit trans women are hot and should shove their fun bags in my face immediately.
Why be scared of the trans girl when you can take her out on a date
Why be scared of men when they make decent friends(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 18166

>>18154
A mod ought to delete this post.

No. 18169

>>18166
All other male posts stayed up, even the ones called anons foids or retarded females so I doubt it.

No. 18177

>>18169
handmaiden whose brain has been taken over by sperm to act as a female version of a moid is a femoid. complaining about women calling women who spam that they're normie because they suck cock retarded, is retarded

No. 18193

Ngl it's kinda funny to me when a troon or TRA hate-reads and get so incredibly emotional about it that they just HAVE to post something

No. 18196

>>18193
They just have to insert themselves and remind us of their own existence, ahahah.

No. 18219

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>>18149
AYRT, sadly I'm not single, but I'm not in a stable or serious relationship either, lol. Kinda complex to explain here, tbh.
But if you'd like to get in contact, I would love to! I've been trying to meet more radfem adjacent womem/gc/terves, but it's been a bit difficult. Not to mention that most rad-leaning women I've met have no idea what Lolcow is, or don't know about Radblr either, kek. It would be refreshing to talk to someone with whom I have at least a bit more in common with.
No idea how we could get in contact, tho. Maybe a throwaway email would work? I guess it's kinda risky, but the nonnies in the friend finder thread have been doing that.
Quería dejar un meme argento pero sólo tenía pic related a mano, rip.

No. 18232

>>18219
Yeah, I wish meeting other likeminded people wasn't as hard. Troons/handmaidens probably rejoice at that but ironically it just means those evil terves will still exist, only pretending to be nice to their face and/or befriending them as a last resort for socialization. They'd freak if they knew how many of their lovely friends are gc. I know we're out there, just gotta find a way to socialize. Art anon from above really nailed the average situation (ily art anon)
And sure! Friend Finder thread it is!

No. 18284

Troons have turned me more rightist politically. Before I was fully leftist, all my opinions were from tumblr and I didn't get why anyone would have any right leaning opinions. It took troons to realize the left has just as many lies, misinformation, misogyny, violence and hatred for people who look or think differently than what they approve of. Now I'm just in the middle somewhere, I understand that both sides just see the worst parts of each other and I understand that both sides are right in some things and wrong in others. If I had seen leftist troons for what they were from day 1 and that's all I ever saw, I for sure would be on the right to oppose them. Like how I only saw the wildest rightist people.

No. 18288

>>18284
i don't think that makes your opinions right leaning anyway? that's just libfem rhetoric for everything bc most of the dyed hair sjws have bpd symptoms thus black/white thinking + a need to serve men hence why their sense of self comes from tranny activism. like "omg you said a man can't become a woman out loud, you're such a rightwing trumptard for not caring how men feel!" then the ben shapiro types hijack gender crit to make it seem to other men like not worshipping misogynistic troons IS rightwing so they can claim women are on their side, like we must belong to men no matter what..

No. 18305

>>18288
>i don't think that makes your opinions right leaning anyway?
No, but they're comparably more "right" than before, and I can actually see and understand some real rightist arguments now rather than dismissing them as "ignorant hateful lies". Like I get why they want guns when the government seems so untrustworthy and want to take your kid away if you don't sterilize them with hormones, I even get why they dislike the LGBT if all they every see is TRA, troons and depravity.
I'm somewhere in the middle, and I don't think I'll ever be able to venture far enough to either side to ever call myself left or right. I've seen too much of both sides.

No. 18307

When will this end. I want to engage in fandom nerd shit again without having to bite my tongue. I am so fucking sick of talking to "genderfuck fagdyke queer goblin" women with shitty fashion who think they're out-gaying us all by dating a man. Is this because we made fun of straight people too much? So now they literally cannot bear the idea of being heterosexuals who enjoy dick in vagina sex and so they have to call it gay bottoming. I really enjoy fandom, I love fanart and meta and cosplay, but I cannot stand 90% of the people involved in it now because it's unavoidable. I really thought we'd all collectively realize this was a phase just like being emo but no, people in their 30s are still on this he/they shit and it's making me crazy. A woman I'd been enjoying talking about fandom stuff with talked about trooning out last week because "why would I read so much yaoi unless I wanted to become it" God make it stop. I feel so autistically annoyed about this. I wish I could un-peak sometimes.

No. 18311

>>18307
I feel your pain nonna and I totally agree. I just became obsessed with an anime and I want to make friends in the fandom to talk to about my favorite character but he attracts a ton of TIF fans who headcannon him as a FTM and I just…don’t want to subject myself to listening to any of that bullshit.

No. 18314

>>18307
>>18311
this is a big reason why i don't engage much with fandom at all anymore. it would be useful if there was a secret crypto signal to use across fandoms so it'd be less difficult to find other peaked women to make friends with. like an emoji in the bio or something maybe?

No. 18315

I'm so sick of trannies at fandom events. There will be zero line for the men's restroom, and these disgusting men insist on using the women's when it has a line out into the hallway. I'm tired of having to walk to bathrooms that are farther away just to feel safe.

No. 18321

>>18152
TBH with time, I'm realizing that the women I need to stop interacting with aren't necessarily TRAs but rather women who spend too much time with men. It's so true that a good few TiF heavy spaces are essentially rad-leaning female-only spaces, it's just that the inhabitants haven't realized it because TERFism is so demonized that they'll never come close to knowing what it actually entails.

No. 18326

>>18307
Yup, same group that's obsessed with headcanons, cosplaying, larping etc… yet they can't see trans is just another costume for them.
>>18314
It's not much, but any time I see a fandom person without pronouns in bio it peaks my interest, it's SO rare that the person has to be a little bit crypto.

No. 18345

So last year I found out my cousin came out as trans. I guess he decided he was tired of working dead end jobs to support his partner and the 4 kids they had together and came out as trans and walked away from them to live his best trans life.

And now I find out my 12 year old niece, who's now living with her father, after her mother who was previously raising her and her brothers on her own, lost custody of them due to mental illness/depression, feels like she's a boy. And of course her father who gained custody of her, and works as a programmer in liberal media, thinks that's all perfectly fine.

This trans lunacy is coming close to home and I hate it.

No. 18354

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"This drawing has a lace with pink blue, pink and white! is the trans flag!"

I know headcanons are for fun but come on…

No. 18358

>>18345
Sorry nona it's never easy to see trooning in the family. Best thing you can do is inform (peak) and give the rest of the family access to accurate information about troons. I always recommend using genspect for struggling parents/family members, and general feminist/female struggle points for more casual peaking. Like how they larp periods, tell tomboys they're not real women unless they perform feminine stereotypes, how autismgender, bugself/faeself are accepted as real trans, how males want babies to suck their nipples etc. How most male troons 80-90% "were" straight men and now say they're lesbians and invade female spaces and changing rooms.

No. 18359

>>18354
I will never forgive troons for ruining the color combo. Even after troons are rightfully exposed as a cult it will then instead have the sex pest cult tag for a while so then we still won't be able to use it.
The only good thing that flag has done is make it so I know who and what to avoid so I don't accidentally support child mutilation

No. 18360

>>18345
This scenario is one of my biggest fears. My brother has 4 kids that are now in their teens and I'm so scared of any of them coming out as troons, I used to think the fact that they're extremely normie and living in a small town would make them safe but even that doesn't seem to be enough anymore.

No. 18362

>>18360
talk to them about troons and see how they react. you could talk about how sad it is that trans people don't allow girls to be masculine or boys to be feminine (because if they are they HAVE to be trans or enbys) just like how conservative people do the same and that you think both sides are stupid

No. 18366

I am so tired of handmaidens. I just wanted to watch a video where crazy fundies get trashed and of course to "offset the harms shes done" by purchasing from the fundie the handmaiden donates to the mermaid organization. Ye sure offset the harm done by purchasing from a misogynistic pos by giving money to misogynistic pedos, great. They barely even mention trans people and she donates to a trans charity because of the "violence" they have to face every day. How about the violence women face everyday? sexslavery? being treated like property in a large part of the world? disproportionate poverty? femicide? no? yet we have to help the "trans kids" by pumping them full of hormones because some evangelicals rant about how women should be submissive, makes total sense

No. 18368

>>18358
I'm not especially close to either of them, it's a big extended family and I live out of state so I only see them one day every few years at family gatherings, but I'm trying to carefully peak mutual relatives that I see more often. It does make it more real when it's people you've known for decades and know more of the behind the doors stuff from the family grapevine.

The TIM cousin is obviously AGP to me. Acted like a typical straight man until coming out in his mid 30s. Conflicted between wanting to cringe and feel sorry for him. I guess at least his transition has been limited to cross-dressing/pronouns for now. I feel sorry for the mother of his kids though, she has a big heart and clearly loves them very much, but the 3 kids with him and 3 with her previous boyfriend is a lot to handle. Not that they need an AGP in their lives but 6 kids is a lot to raise on your own.

For the niece though (ok, looked it up, 2nd cousin is the technical term, and think of her as the generation below me due to the 20 year age difference), I really hope she ends up okay. It's so obvious to me that the first thing you should be looking into is the trauma of losing her mother… Her older teenage brothers were hiding her mother's mental health struggles to try to avoid losing their mother and most of us didn't realize the extent of things until pretty much the point that she lost custody. Going through that in the formative pre-teen years is obviously going to have major effects. Unfortunately it's hard to trust the Canadian mental health institutions, etc to investigate that line of reasoning with their blind affirmative care policy. I hope her dad is not so naive as to believe this is anything but a phase that she can grow out of as she overcomes the trauma and that he's more skeptical than he's letting on and just going along because he thinks as long as its just a social transition, it's harmless… But I don't really know my second cousin's dad, he wasn't in a relationship with her mother for very long. I'll have better luck by trying to go through mutual relatives (parents, aunts, grandparents) I think.

My brother works in tech and most of his colleagues are in the Bay Area. Four men out of like 50 at his workplace came out as trans in the past few years. Not sure how much of that is a Bay Area thing, or an autistic tech worker thing, or a social contagion, but it sure is a lot more than the 0.5% or whatever that is claimed.

No. 18369

>>18314
They'd catch on too quickly I'm afraid, they're super obsessed with sniffing out cryptos to the point they think you're a crypto if you have search turned off on your Tumblr blog, if you have a Hogwarts house in bio, if you use the Labrys flag, etc. Like >>18326 said, no pronouns in bio is a good way to find cryptos (or a TIF who doesn't want to talk about it.)

No. 18370

>>18360
Small town only counts for so much when it comes to these things. I live in a small town and there's still a LBGTQIA2+ lawn sign on every street. I don't get the sense of much militant TRA activity here like you might find on some university campuses, but there's still the well meaning but misguided allyship especially within the local newspapers, school boards, etc. that seems to permeate the political and media class and trickle down to teachers, mental health organizations, etc throughout the country.

Best you can hope for is your brother is peaked and his kids are well adjusted and side step all of this. I think there are hints that the broader societal winds are turning, but until then I guess you have to take it into your own hands.

It's not really a topic I want to talk about with my relatives, but I guess they have to be peaked somehow.

No. 18375

>>18368
>I'm trying to carefully peak mutual relatives
>The TIM cousin is obviously AGP
That kind of makes it easier then, tell mutual family all about AGP and what it is and throw in any examples you know he is doing, but without ever saying it's like him and let them draw their own conclusions. Like if he's mostly cross dressing and you know he's worn the programmer socks you could explain that the high socks are a porn thing they do because they want to look like little cartoon girls they fetishize. It's very rare that any woman (who's not a massive weeb anyway kek) ever wears knee high socks so you know he didn't get it from the women around him but from porn he watches.

No. 18376

>>18366
>she donates to a trans charity because of the "violence" they have to face every day. How about the violence women face everyday?
This pisses me off to no end because WHAT fucking violence are they talking about? They're statistically one of the LEAST attacked and killed groups on earth with like 400 at most getting murdered globally a year (and from reading news we know some of those were killed by other trans people). If you're a TRA this is fucking great news for them, but yet none of them acknowledge how safe it actually is for troons and keep painting them as victims.
They're like flat earthers crying about falling over the edge of the earth, you show them an actual photo of the earth being round so they can feel safe and know they won't fall off and they just scream that it's a lie and the edge threat is real. There's nothing we can do for them because they're so delusional.

No. 18377

Since a few of you seem to be talking about peaking extended family, here are some peaking thoughts.

If you're peaking women, bring up sexism and female issues and how troons perpetuate and larp them at the same time to get off to it.

If you're peaking men, sports is usually a topic they find interesting so talking about how men who can't win pretend to be women so they can win will usually work. Also bring up how they as straight men would be expected to date a bearded transwoman with a dick, and if they don't they're transphobic.

If you're peaking kids, make sure to tell them that gender stereotypes are stupid and they can do anything they want and that won't make them less of a boy or girl. A girl with short hair is still a girl. A boy doesn't turn into a girl if he wears a dress for a day.
Explain that some people have a religious belief that gender exists and that it's part of their religion to say and think that it's NOT a religion, because to them that's just "the truth". So if they encounter it in school or from friends it's because that person is religious and you do NOT have to agree with them because none of it is based on science or facts. Point out that even many adults fell for it, but that you don't think they will because they're actually smart kids who think for themselves. It will make them feel smart and trusted and less likely to fall for it.

No. 18387

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>>18376
This is one of the things that peaked me hard honestly. I was a nice proper TRA and mindlessly repeated the whole "trans women are one of the most at-risk populations for being murdered" talking point when I was a teenager and a woman on Reddit very simply replied, "That's not true, you've been misled." So I looked into it and was just so shocked at how low risk they are. Even the sites that cape for troons have a hard time stretching "32 in the US (out of 1.6 million) in 2022" to sound like a genocide. Especially when you realize the vast majority of them are killed by men in the context of prostitution, and the fact they lump in GNC people to inflate their numbers. They're counting on the fact that most people will rely on mental schemas about LGB people being vulnerable groups since they are obsessed with pretending we're the same. And picrel is from a source that actively capes for troons, so it's really telling even they can't argue they're the most oppressed people ever. I will say I have seen some brown/black trannies seethe at the wannabe anime catgirls for being extremely low risk and pretending otherwise, but it's still treated as "relative to me" rather than "relative to literally everyone they pretend to be oppressed by."

No. 18388

>>18377
The breastfeeding/pregnancy fetishes are an easy way to peak moms in particular. I've watched women literally recoil in disgust when they first hear about it. You don't even have to point out they're fetishes, if you just tell (or better yet, show) them these men whining about wanting to breastfeed babies, they'll draw their own conclusions because none of them behaved that way about their own pregnancies/breastfeeding.

Also men know they're degenerates even if they pretend they don't, so if you just point out that self-identification laws mean any bepenised loser can access any bathroom/changing room with their wives/moms/daughters/sisters, they'll all automatically think of a man they know who is perverted enough to say they're a woman to gain access. In the words of a male family member I peaked, "Anyone who thinks men wouldn't do that doesn't know men."

No. 18392

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Seeing troons irl is just so comical. I was at this gaming event and got absolute whiplash hearing someone refer to this 6'2 neanderthal with a hulking brow and disgusting scrote shaped nose as "she". He was very thin and was wearing a cinched waist top close to picrel with a bright purple floral pattern at the bottom that looked so unfashionable, I was almost embarrassed for him. He had stringy estrogen curls and poorly done smokey eye make up. To top it off, he wore a powder blue and brown knit beanie, probably to cover his widow's peak hairline and bald spot. Like I'm really expected to pretend this absolute loser of a moid is anything close to female? I was already afraid of using the restroom in such a place.
There were other troons there, but I point this one out specifically because I realized he was in the event's discord channel with an extremely photoshopped/facetuned photo of himself as his profile picture and I laughed myself to sleep

No. 18422

>>18388
>"Anyone who thinks men wouldn't do that doesn't know men."
I've seen so many people say it's ridiculous to think anyone who isn't a true honest trans would ever claim to be trans "because it's so hard for trans people", like how naive and stupid can you be? All a degenerate man have to do is literally to say "i'm trans" and then get unlimited access to women's spaces. Of course men will do that, men go in to abuse women even without being allowed so why wouldn't they make it even easier for themselves. Interestingly though, the argument used to come up A LOT, but I haven't seen it at all in the last 2 years or so.

Whenever my handmaiden friends brought up the argument I would ask them "Do you think there are more innocent transwomen in the world, or more cis men who lie and intentionally hurt women?". They've been told trans people are a tiny minority so obviously there are more cis men, and it allows them to accept that we can't just accept troons in women's spaces, but they don't (yet) have to face the thought that those groups are actually the same and it doesn't (yet) put the blame on the troons. So it's a nice way to make them think logically, without having to out yourself as a terf or push them so far they shut off.

No. 18434

>>18392
I feel for you anon, I hope they get rid of them or make them use the gender neutral toilet or something instead.

No. 18454

i’m so fucking angry about all of this. i peaked a couple months ago and luckily my sister turned out to be a crypto, but i’m surrounded by TRA people at my school. i’ve also learned that arguing with them is fruitless. i got told yesterday that i’m a right wing lapdog and that me saying ‘listening to trans people is what made me peak’ is a dog whistle. these people have their fingers in their ears and are screaming lalalala when we’re genuinely trying to reason with them. i still have never gotten a clear answer to the ‘what is gender’ question, without using stereotypes, circular definitions, or saying it’s a feeling. and i think that’s what will keep me peaked. why am i losing friends because i said jk rowling shouldn’t get death threats? why am i being roped into fetishes that these TIMs love to engage in? god, the fetishes are the worst part. i used to be friends with a couple TIMs and they all agreed that all TIMs have degenerate and depraved fetishes and that they hide them from cis people to seem more normal. they said this in front of me because i am a detransitioner (desister to be honest, due to where i was living i couldn’t pursue medical transition. thank god) but i was also licking troon boots back then so i was one of the ‘good ones’. i’m so sick. i hate that i was tokenised and led to believe such a lie for so long. i feel honestly stupid to have ever believed i was trans. at least i see the light now nonnies!

No. 18479

>>18454
>i got told yesterday that i’m a right wing lapdog and that me saying ‘listening to trans people is what made me peak’ is a dog whistle.
lol it's literally just the truth! If troons acted and looked the way they say they do, few people would peak. But they don't look like beautiful fully passing petite little girls who just happen to have been born with a dick which has now been replaced with a fully functioning totally real vagina. At BEST they look and sound like a glammed up drag queen, srs is really rare (and reading their own words they go wrong 99% of the time) and the majority of them have "euphoria boners" from doing anything they consider feminine and want to have sex with "cis" women only. And they all act, think and talk like any other man. Or if it's tif, like any other woman.

>these people have their fingers in their ears and are screaming lalalala when we’re genuinely trying to reason with them.

You really truly can't reason with a cult member, and it's NOT your job to save them nona. If they ever see the light it will be when they themselves are ready for it. The best thing you can do is to distance yourself from them for your own good and peak casual supporters or people who are mostly unaware of troons. Start with family and friends. I like being honest to these people, and exaplaining the whole cult aspect and that my woke friends would never speak to me again if I said "female sex-based rights are important" because they're literally in a ideology that mimics a cult.

No. 18489

>>18454
Like the other anon said, you cannot reason with them because it's a cult mentality. Think about when you believed you were trans–would you have listened? I know I didn't when I thought I was. I dismissed counterpoints wholesale and was absolutely unwilling to even entertain any dissent until my 20s. I wasn't raised religious, so I wasn't able to see it at the time, but they are operating from a religious cult mindset that believes fully in something unprovable and metaphysical. If you step out of line, you'll be destroyed, and you know this, so you gaslight yourself and contort your thinking to fit what you wish was true. The reason you cannot make them see is because they are stil trapped in this mentality, and there is no way to pull them out of it. You cannot save people who don't want to be saved, and you cannot reason people out of a position they did not reason themselves into. But it's a good way to burn yourself out and be ostracized by the same people who may very well peak in a few years. Just focus on fostering connections with likeminded people and peaking people who are reachable.

No. 18492

This company I work for, we're doing this event with our playerbase, right? Someone in the company wrote us an email saying: "To everyone (but especially our femme/female presenting team members) be careful about accepting friend requests. I do my best to make sure players know that our discord is not a dating site, and there are going to be a lot of lonely, and generally masculine/male presenting gamers that are looking for love in all the wrong places. If that happens, please let me know and I will take care of it. Its unfortunate that this is the case, and, it's a reality that becomes more prevalent the bigger the playerbase gets." Fucking "femme/female presenting", cant even say "women", cause we have fucking troons in our company. Fuck these faggots.

No. 18493

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Got so annoyed I have to sperg about it somewhere without shitting up any threads. I know I shouldn't even use Reddit, but I just popped in to check something and this was the first thing I saw. You just cannot fucking avoid this shit online, it's everywhere. POTS is infamously understudied and dismissed due to medical misogyny. More than 85% of sufferers are female, typically young adult women. It's almost funny how obvious sex differences are, and how cognizant they clearly are of this (why are transmascs the ones with POTS? Fascinating!), but it's also just infuriating because they are actively making it harder to acknowledge and address illnesses that affect women by refusing to even be called women. Like this isn't something small, I've watched the literature for POTS pivot from being woman-centric to adding a billion disclaimers about how it's totally not a women's issue at all (which doesn't actually help get research done because doctors still see them and treat them like women–that is to say, like they're hysterical and stupid.) So now you cannot even talk about it in any online community because they'll rush to Aidensplain how it's so harmful to call it a women's issue.

Plus this meme is just annoying. First, women do take spiro for acne and other reasons, stop trying to make it a TIM thing. Second, POTS is something involuntary, whereas TIMs choose to go on hormones for their fetish. Third, it takes 5-11 years for most women to get a POTS diagnosis, whereas TIMs can get prescribed HRT the same fucking day they walk in. Even when TIFs try to show solidarity with TIMs, this is all they can come up with? "We both like salty foods because I have an incurable autonomic disorder, and you want to be a kawaii catgirl!" Fuck off. Like I know this is just some retarded munchie-heavy genderspecial micro-community and it should not induce this much rage in me, but after a flare up this morning, I am just extra irritable. Stop ruining pickles! Reeee

No. 18494

>>18492
TBF nona, men on discord will try to milk any and all feminine-looking profiles on discord for coom-worthy content without giving it much thought wether the account owner has a penis or not.
I've seen so many young heterosexual men do the e-naughty with the worlds most obvious troons kek, and then have total meltdowns when the troon exposes themselves.

No. 18501

Still so filled with rage over a troon who tried to tell me sex based women's rights are transphobic and then cried to his friends that I unfriended him over it. He's legally allowed to have his shitty gross misogynistic opinions I just don't want anything to do with him as a result.

No. 18502

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Someone submitted this secret to F!S and my first thought was "Oh OP said 'women' instead of 'people with uterus'. Cannot wait to see the trannies go 'acthuali'".

No. 18574

>>18494
Kek I always find it funny when misogynistic incels get catfished by troons.

No. 18653

>>17710
Same anon here. I’ve realized that at this point, putting your pronouns in your email signature in higher education (and probably other woke workplaces ig?) has become the 2020s equivalent of saluting the flag during the Pledge of Allegiance, or standing up for the National Anthem at a baseball game. There’s no material effect whether you do it or not, but it’s a very publicly visible demonstration of whether you’re onboard with the current fashionable ideology or not. (The 2 examples I cited, the pledge and the anthem, probably aren’t as much of a big deal anymore, at least in woke states, but I’m sure that showing your loyalty to American patriotism in that way was a much bigger deal during the Red Scare in the 1950s.) And just like saluting the flag, there are probably plenty of people who think it’s bullshit but do it anyway because it’s easier to go along with the current ideology than risk getting called out for not following the crowd.

While I’m on the subject, land acknowledgments at the start of events in higher education are basically a woke secular version of an opening prayer. Land acknowledgments don’t actually do anything (other than make rich white educated liberals feel a little better about their white guilt), much in the same way that Christian prayers at the start of a meeting don’t actually do anything (if you’re in a meeting you’re not actively engaged in following Jesus’ commandments to feed the poor, for example). If universities actually cared about helping Native Americans they’d give them all free tuition, or give some of their precious campus real estate to a local tribe, for example.

No. 18657

An artist I followed posted a "pro transmac drawing" and one of the comments said "as long it doesn't hurt no one (even yourself), it should be a problem". Way to ignore all the health issues and parents making their kids trans for woke points.

No. 18663

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They are so retarded I don't even know what to say at this point. Like how do you even come to this conclusion. Grim

No. 18670

>>18657
what's not hurting anyone? the drawing or people's "transmasc-ing"? Because I'd argue both can hurt.

The drawing can hurt the same way a drawing glorifying nazis can hurt, it promotes a sick evil ideology (both of which experiment on children).
A person claiming the transmasc label, which is a purely ideological/religious label, also hurt people by promoting the evil ideology. A normal woman would just put on her hoodie and go out, the ideologist sees it as a ritual to have more "male gender essence" and demands everyone else plays along.

No. 18671

>>18663
>this is the fault of terfs
lmao idiots
i wouldn't be worried about posts like this because they're only preaching to the choir and circle-jerking. normal people don't give a fuck about their whining and anyone who actually looks into terfs quickly find out it's all lies

No. 18678

>>18663

how long until the TIMs find this post and cannibalize the OP alive for daring to suggest that sex-based oppression is real when men larping as women are the Only oppressed women kek

No. 18690

>>18663
They’re pointing out that tumblr is massively aggressive against people talking about sex based oppression AND that people use terfs as an excuse to be sexist… if it weren’t for the conclusion that people’s sexism is somehow the fault of evil terfs, this would be a great post pointing out how people hide under social justice to bully and mistreat women.

No. 18695

>>18670
I think the commenter said that "as long you're discovering your gender doesn't hurt yourself, is ok", but we have seen enough problems with TIFs to know they're hurting themselves.

No. 18696

I’m still friends with so many tifs from my troon days and what sucks is I love these people dearly and think they are great, but the shit they say about gender and dysphoria is so retarded. So much of it is just hating and feeling uncomfortable with misogyny and probably 90% of their problems would be solved if they broke free of gender roles and beauty standards. It’s so painful to witness and so hard to keep my mouth shut. I don’t wish I could unpeak because I feel so thankful that I know and am proud of being a woman now, but damn was it easier to just close my eyes and pretend this stuff was normal. I really wish these people could learn to love themselves as they are without all the mental gymnastics.

No. 18700

Has anyone thought of using the term "cis4cis lesbian/wlw"? I've been thinking about that. I wonder if there is a way to say you don't date troons in the least overtly offensive way possible. I know that anything that isn't outright kissing their ass 24/7 is offensive to troons, but I mean to just normies. Cis4cis seems like such a non controversial term. You are using their own terminology, their own language, and not even saying female exclusive. I don't think a troon could possibly argue against it without looking batshit insane when trying to get you in trouble with the normies. I bet it'd piss them off too; being offended and excluded but without that coveted victim status. You aren't saying anything remotely "insulting" to trans people, so they couldn't possibly claim victimhood. I don't even want to argue with them, I just want to exist and not be bothered and hounded by them.

No. 18701

>>18700 it makes a lot of sense to use it but at this point its kind of like painting a big red terf target on your back since troons hate the idea of any woman being even remotely sexually unavailable to them. apparently people have been banned from dating apps for having it in their bio, so yeah, probably not the way to go unfortunately…

No. 18702

>>18700
Like the other anon said, you get banned for doing this on dating apps. Normies are so disconnected from this discourse they wouldn't even know how to sympathize and troons would accuse you of dogwhistling and enacting licheral genocide. Literally the only way to stay female-only is to be a T4T TIF, funnily enough. The people who run the apps are not normies, they are deep in this conversation, so really the only sympathetic ear you'll get (aside from lesbians) is from normies who are plugged in enough to understand this is a thing but who aren't already poisoned with "it's just like saying you'd never date a black person" style rhetoric.

No. 18704

>>18702
I fucking never wish the word 'dogwhistle' got popular. Everything is a dogwhistle now. I've been accused of it for the most random shit, and not even like, questioned just outright demonized. I don't even know what the fuck I did. It happens all the time. I'm pretty sure these people just use the word 'dogwhistle' to harass whoever they feel like, funnily enough, it's usually minorities they harass. So progressive of them!

Referencing this >>18663
This is an example of this bullshit. They get pissy about women wanting to be treated like human beings, so they shut them up by crying wolf. Then, naturally, women are blamed for the actions of shitty men. It's always the woman's fault somehow. There's not even a direct connection made; they just say the TERFs did it. I can't wait until all this shit blows over. If it's any consolation though, I've seen even my liberal groups pipe down a little about troons. Just a little bit. I've seen even the most troon crazed groups have little moments of doubt or gaps in attention. I've heard whispers of discontent in even the most heavily troon dominated areas. We may finally be free of this shit. I give it 2 years.

No. 18707

>>18700
The superstraight term was an attempt at this, it started off as someone's joke but people kinda went "huh, that IS a pretty good term to ask troons to back off without having to overexplain myself". But of course TRAs started a shitstorm about it and also added that it was homophobic for good measure. You can't win unless you're a tranny yourself.

No. 18716

>>18695
the problem is the "gender exploration" is really just "wallowing in insecurities" which does harm them

No. 18717

>>18696
I know the pain nona, many of my friends would literally ignore everything good about me and throw me in the trash if I told them my views on troons.
I sometimes try to redirect their anger closer towards the truth, little by little. If they talk about transphobia I will try to switch it to "they're not even really transphobic, they just hate women and femininity". Or point out things like "honestly i think they've never even heard of trans people, they're fuelled purely by homophobia because they see them as gay people. Otherwise they'd just see a neutral man/woman who they have no problem with." I only do it in private conversations with them, never in a group

No. 18720

>>18700
>I know that anything that isn't outright kissing their ass 24/7 is offensive to troons, but I mean to just normies
Do not ever bother to seem pro-troonism if you're just saying it to normies. They'll only think you're 100% in on the trans train then, it keeps them silent if they're questioning it themselves and they'll avoid you because you're "one of the annoying woke ones". Just say you're a lesbian who dates women. In general the best strategy is to act as if you're a mostly clueless normie yourself. Only if they ask can you start to reveal things like how you don't want to date people with dicks and that saying you have to is homophobic.

No. 18721

>>18704
>I've heard whispers of discontent in even the most heavily troon dominated areas. We may finally be free of this shit. I give it 2 years.
I think it will snowball and go REALLY fast at the end and we're only in the beginning. Of course every country is different and the US and Canada will drag in on for longer because of how deep you are in it. All the detrans cases are starting to solidify, surgeons will panic and close down soon enough kek

No. 18727

i just saw a tiktok of a scrote sperging about "nonbinary liontheys" which is just maned lionesses with excess testosterone. he's essentially implying human females with pcos aren't women but are actually NoNbInArY instead. if i hadn't already peaked it might have been the thing that did it for me. this shit is so fucking stupid, i can't believe i used to believe this retarded TRA bullshit and i don't know how people are still falling for it.
the scrote who made it also has "feminist" in his bio, of course.

i'd post it for context but i keep getting an "unknown file extension" error when i try.

No. 18730

>>18700
Maybe you should write in your dating profile that your favorite book is Harry Potter, or mention what Hogwarts house you belong to. Hopefully that will keep the genderspecials away from your profile and attract fellow TERF or at least normie lesbians.

No. 18731

>>18730
It requires at least a minimal interest in HP but it's a good idea to have the house in your bio. If a troon/TRA comes directly at you like "that's a dog whistle for transphobe terfs" you play full on normie who hasn't even heard the term dog whistle before and call them a weird conspiracy theorist.

No. 18741

From seeing the peakening happen more and more like watching detrans people roast the trans community and starting legal cases against doctors, watching people like Helen Joyce and hearing JKR stand strong, seeing sportswomen like Riley Gains speak out against men in their sports and seeing even men agree and calling those men cowards and cheaters…
I've started to reach the point where I can truly just laugh at troons and their antics.

No. 18777

I wonder how long troonism will take to die down in niche hobbies that have a lot of autistic people, which are the spaces they really caught on in early on and still full of diehards for the cause

Will gaming and crafting circles ever be free?

No. 18780

I had an introductory meeting for my new job today, halfway through, the hiring manager goes "pronouns are really important to us here" and we all had to share our pronouns. Damn it. I was hoping this wouldn't happen but the company is more woke than I thought. I'm worried about my coworkers' opinions if they find out I detransitioned. ugh.

Most everyone in my life is fully onboard the trans train, there's just no escape. I know so many people (almost all women) who identify as nonbinary and go off about how hard it is when people misgender them because they "want to be seen as just a person, not as a woman" and all the allies nod along. Some of these women have also had the gall to say shit like "trans folx like us" to me, and act like we had similar situations. Fuck no, I was on t for years and it fucked with my health, I changed my documents and everything. This is literally just a larp for them which they can drop at any fucking time. My sister identifies as nonbinary and is in an open relationship with a no-effort trans "girl". I met the guy and had no idea he identified as trans if it weren't for the she/her pronoun shit. She complains to me about him sometimes, like apparently he flies off the handle at every little comment (had a breakdown when she suggested a different shade of nail polish), wants to be a lesbian housewife, lives with his nesting partner gf, no full time job, and has a history of random casual sex with men on grindr. It takes all my restraint not to scream about how toxic this asshole sounds whenever she tells me about him. I can't even vent to my boyfriend because his response is always like "just be kind." I'm just so tired.

No. 18783

>>18777
>I wonder how long troonism will take to die down in niche hobbies that have a lot of autistic people
It's been discussed before but autists are the ones to go in 100% thinking it's all true, but then among the first to peak/peak the hardest. The majority of outspoken detrans people are on the spectrum, and statistically they're only like 10% of all trans people at most (still a big over-representation as they're only 1-2% of the general population).
Might be part of that black/white thinking they're said to have. So I think it will be fine save for small clusters of extreme autists that will take a bit longer, and those groups are the ones that would be real life full time furries and vampires even before the trans trend was a thing.

The ONLY group that will never change are the trans parents that irrevocably harmed their own child(/ren) in the name of trans. They can't ever admit to themselves that they did that because the reality of it is too cruel and hurtful. They're the real long-term danger. Those kids love their parents (think Jazz Jennings) and working through the trauma and admitting they were never trans and instead hurt by their parents "supportive" action is near impossible for a (mentally delayed through puberty blockers and hrt) child. And admitting it directly to those parents who made their child's trans identity their whole life is so hard most of them would rather pretend to be trans their whole lives than admit it was all a mistake.

No. 18784

>>18780
>I'm worried about my coworkers' opinions if they find out I detransitioned.
I think it would be a good reality check for them to meet a detransitioner. Just be honest and open. You can explain how you were hurt and groomed into it without directly saying that's the case for everyone who's trans. But still never say bs pandering like "twaw" and "but other trans ppl are valid". Casually talk about how you were lied to when they said tomboy traits or disliking sexism mean you're not a woman etc

No. 18792

I've been trying to be more social and joined a D&D server. Got on voice chat with a handful of "women" to discuss starting a "girls' night" game. I was expecting a TIM or two of course but the server seemed pretty normie and skewed older so I assumed it'd mostly be actual women. But nope, everyone but me was a TIM, and when I spoke someone said "whoa there's an AFAB here, I didn't think cockless girls played TTRPGs" and people started acting weird at me.

Reminded me of a decade ago when I was the only girl in a Magic: The Gathering club. In other words, very othering with a constant undertone of sexual harassment. Moids is the same no matter what they call themselves.

No. 18793

>>18792
>everyone but me was a TIM, and when I spoke someone said "whoa there's an AFAB here, I didn't think cockless girls played TTRPGs"
jesus christ, I hope you nope'd out of that group and never went back

No. 18794

>>18792
I don't get why they even want a "girls night" when they all know it's all men. They don't get any of the "pros" of hanging out with real girls, all they get is another boys night

No. 18795

>>18794
It's because they all share pornified concept of womanhood that only they find desirable. It took me awhile to realize this, and I only noticed from watching Tumblr TIMs, but it's because they know that when actual women have a "girls night," they just watch movies and have normal fun conversations. But when TIMs have "girls night" they talk about having yuri pillow fights and making out with each other and squee about their breeding kinks. They're all larping together in their anime fantasy, and they are the only people who will actually validate this because real women are repulsed by it. It's why they're so often "T4T" and insist on tranny superiority, they know we are not the same and they hate us for it.

No. 18797

Not necessarily a vent but recently at work the TIM wasn’t there and it was so nice. Me and the other younger women my age reminisced on dolls we played with and dress up games we played and it was really fun and natural. He will always try to butt into conversations like these and dominate them and immediately suck the air out of the room because he never shuts up about himself or his male as fuck interests. It was so fun to just talk to other women about stuff we loved in our childhood without him constantly talking about being trans or how quirky he is for being “a girl that loved Thomas the tank engine” or whatever. It never fails to astound me how awkward trannies make everything and how narcissistic they are. They really are typical males who constantly bulldoze over women and demand to be the center of attention. It’s just such a breath of fresh air whenever they’re gone lol.

No. 18800

>>18792
Not surprised TIMs like TTRPGs. They're already roleplaying 24/7.

No. 18801

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>>18783
Speaking of autism and troons, get a load of this reddit post.
As you can well imagine, the TIMS that now dominate that sub came out in full force with scolding, patronizing dissertation length comments using Orwellian language to try to gaslight OP… a lot of stuff about how "biology is actually really complex" etc etc.
And they actively were trying to gaslight OP into thinking she's a TIF because she doesn't understand what "feeling like a woman" means.

No. 18802

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>>18801
This is the new mod of that sub, which some of you might remember from back when it was a chill as fuck sub with the Daria picture…. as of today the post has been taken down but this person annoys the shit out of me and has ever since they took over the sub - basically they harassed the administrators until they allowed them to take it over.

No. 18803

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>>18801
>>18802
Along with endless paragraphs of "eDuCaTe YoUrSeLf SwEaTy" was what is possibly the single dumbest fucking comment I've ever seen on Reddit.
I know I should have posted this in the Reddit hate thread but it's close to bump limit, might repost in the new one.
But frankly the whole thread pissed me off so badly I couldn't sleep last night… yes I am Mad on the Internet

No. 18804

>>18801
God, you can tell she's an autistic woman by the way she just assumes it's her own fault she can't force herself to not see a woman as a woman, even I did (subconciously) when I was a TIF, and they all saw me as a woman too. We all know, you're just not allowed to say so, and even then, we'd slip up all the time. It's sheer, unadulterated larp and I hate the fact she's walking on eggshells to try and gaslight herself into truly believing, not even just tolerating, some psuedo-religious idea about gendered souls.

>>18803
Actually this really is a perfect analogy because it's so unrelentingly retarded that you'd have to be the dumbest most controlling motherfucker alive to actually insist people tell you your hair is naturally pink when you know damn well you dyed it.

No. 18805

I spotted my first fellow TERF in the wild yesterday, she was wearing a “Make Women Female Again” hat in a grocery store. If you’re reading this, I love you based queen.

No. 18806

I'm trying to socialize but this niche animu WhatsApp group I'm in brings up pronouns and shit every two hours I can't fucking bear with it, especially when people answer with "she/her! They/he!" YOU SPEAK SPANISH. why are you talking about the core of your identity in fucking English, maybe because it's a made up American shit and not an actual concern you'd naturally have? Why do you complain about "terfs" and "misgendering" like they're such important matters to you… But there's not even a word for that in your language? It's a fucking ideology import you ate up because as a latinamerican you have that inferiority complex vs burgers. I know I'm retarded but it ruins my mood so bad.
I can't be open about this anywhere, I made a tinder and had to set for putting up a dogwhistle as my description ("hmu if you agree with jk Rowling) since otherwise my account will get banned; no biters, of course, and every woman my type (alt short haired girl) has "no binarie" on their profile. I'm not attracted to normie looking women. This fucking sucks. Seeing people my age, who I otherwise constantly try to befriend, who I could be SO CLOSE WITH otherwise, nearing 30 and asking newcomers "(what are ur pronouns (eyes emoji)" makes me want to kms. You're all yaoi shippers in an idol game WhatsApp group. 99% of you are women. Oh my god. Groups related to my other hobbies arent much better. I'm gonna die alone aren't I.

No. 18807

>>18804
Yeah, there were a few comments along the lines of, "Yeah, people can't really control how they're perceived by others and we're just being polite" from other users. (you know, typical Autistic "pointing out the Emperor has no clothes") but they got attacked brutally of course.

No. 18813

I'm finally cutting my Aiden and TRA friends out of my life. It took months of tolerating them outright disrespecting and condescending me for it to come to this, and I'm ashamed that I let it go on this long. A lot of that had nothing to do with my detransition and more with them just being immature assholes (huge shocker frim those types, I know) but I guess one plus side of waiting this long after my detransition to snuff out tthe relationships is that I won't be suspected of crypto TERFism.
I'm only keeping one friend who a) has logistical justification for being the only one able to reach me anyways and b) was consistently caring listening to me talk about my feelings regarding detransition and my relationship with womanhood. She's been a positive light in my life for a long time through dark periods and Ihope that in continuing to talk about my experiences, I can peak her s little or at least get her to realize that she's not nonbinary, she's just an autistic woman… Unlikely, but this is my small fight.

No. 18814

>>18813
I'm happy for you nona, best of luck with peaking her and enjoying your freedom from the lot of them.

No. 18829

There is a troon that comes into my job sometimes and today he went off on how Obama is a porch monkey and his wife is a troon. He was expecting me to laugh along but I could only stay silent. He's the classic gigahon agp stereotype. I hate how troons are always the first to mock black women like Michelle Obama isn't masculine at all she's quite feminine really, I guess her dark skin is enough to make her a male in their eyes. He once asked my coworker if she could tell he was a tranny and she said yes because he still has a male body kek.(racebaiting)

No. 18830

>>18829
>Obama is a porch monkey and his wife is a troon.
Not even American but what the fuck does this even mean?

Coping mega racist white troons and moids in general always try to argue black women are "masculine" and less than women. It's a racist larp that hopes to pit women against each other and reinforce the default position of rape apes as it's fetishized white supremacy. All males try to reinforce this racist larp too even if it means treating their own family and closest friends as subhuman. It shouldn't be paid any attention to at all and even dignified with a response. These insane racist males aren't trying to have a conversation; they know black women are women. They're trying to reinforce and dignify their casual inhumanity and subhuman fetishes.

No. 18831

>>18830
Nta but "porch monkey" is a term that originated in the southern US I believe, and it's supposed to imply that black people are all lazy and just sit on their porches all day (and the monkey thing is just the normal black people = monkeys racism). The tinfoil that Michelle is a man has been around since Barak was president, and it was near exclusively perpetuated by racist white men and they still haven't let it go, not even after they started trooning out en masse.

No. 18840

Even though I live in a pretty liberal city, I hadn’t really ran into many TIMs, but I had my first experience with one the other night.
I went to a party and there was this fairly attractive, masculine-looking, guy with medium length wavy blond hair tied back in a low ponytail. He was dressed in a t-shirt and cut-off shorts. I think he might have been on the shorter end, but I don’t remember.
Ngl, I was sort of interested in him until I asked one of my male enby friends his name and they said it was “Emily” and that “she’s, like, one of the hottest lesbians in [liberal city]. There’s no girl that can resist her”.
It’s so retarded. That’s a dude. That’s just a normal skater-looking dude that calls himself Emily. He gets girls because he’s a good-looking guy.
I know my friends are TRAs/sip the enby koolaid, but jfc. It’s weird because besides the troon thing, I like to think my friends aren’t complete idiots? How can they tell me with a straight face that this guy is a lesbian?

No. 18853


No. 18870

I wish it was possible for me to live alone in this city. I am so paranoid all the time that my housemates will find out that I frequent lolcow and radblr and listen to podcasts like RedFem. I was listening to a video yesterday and my phone buzzed and my stomach literally dropped thinking it could be one of my housemates having overheard it and asking me what I'm listening to or something. All my friends are deep in queer ideology and would absolutely disown me if they found out that I consume such "hateful extremist content". I'm moving out soon but I'm going to be moving with a friend who is deeply deeply invested in trans activism; despite the fact that she listens to and agrees with me on the most mild and self-censoring grievances I have with the community, I know that if I go too far she will probably consider me such a genuinely innately hateful and contemptible person that she wouldn't want to live with me. I feel like I'm trapped. I keep having nightmares about my close trans friends finding out about some of my feelings and views and being so hurt that they can't even look at me anymore. I don't want to hurt them, but the trans community and some of its politics and ideologies have hurt me so much that I can't ignore it anymore. I don't even hate trans people and empathise with dysphoric people a lot, but I can't keep pretending that the trans community doesn't produce some of the most hateful, violently sexist people and ideas that I've seen in my life. I can't keep pretending that thinking trans women belong in women's sport is a normal idea. I can't do it anymore. I love my friends so much and I'm terrified of hurting them but the abuse I've been through at the hands of a trans woman and the pure, vile misogyny I've witnessed has changed my life forever. I can't do it anymore. I don't know if I can peak my friend, I don't think I can. It's one step forward, two steps back. I'm afraid and in despair constantly. I don't know what to do.

No. 18879

>>18870
nona, i feel your pain immensely. i lost all my TRA friends at once when i was in the midst of peaking and stupidly thought that maybe they’d have some sense if i asked them about JK rowling’s essay. but no, they shunned me and kicked me out of the friend group. i promise you, being alone is so much better than being with those freaks. i was also under the assumption that they’re intelligent, thoughtful people but no. being intelligent and being pro troon is an oxymoron. that’s like saying a flat earther can be reasonable. i promise you, you will find people that understand you and resonate with you and you won’t feel censored or like you’re going to be witch hunted just for having this opinion. most normies secretly do have a problem with trannies, and just hide it for fear of looking ‘’bigoted’’. i promise you the most normie woman ever will always be 100x more fun and thoughtful and nice to be around than your average troon.

No. 18880

>>18840
I think for both sexes of troons there's this idea that even if they're an ugly guy/girl they'll make a hot version of the other sex. Like the girls think they're too masculine so they'd make a hotter guy, and the guys think they're not manly enough and that it means they'd make a cute girl. In reality only good looking people are good looking, and they'll look the same regardless of trooning out or not. Although as we've seen taking all those hrt drugs can definitely make them all look way worse. But in general like with that guy people just see a good looking guy with longer hair, no one actually sees him as female.

No. 18890

It's insane to think I'd still be a handmaiden if my friend hadn't peaked me by showing stuff from lolcow. To be fair I still saw troons as mentally ill people and that gender wasn't real but I didn't realize just how far the delusion went and how harmful the ideology truly is on so many levels.

I even remember in the beginning I thought the things she said often seemed unnecessarily mean and strangely rightist all of a sudden. It honestly really helped me come around when she showed me videos made by trans and gay people making fun of the woke trans left. Only then did it fully click for me. Even though people like Blair White are still not ideal for insisting trans is a real thing or whatever it still really helps to have them as a bridge to sanity. "Listen to trans people/poc/oppressed groups" was still the only correct thing to do. Any white or cis person was demonized and you just stayed away as if they were dangerous, afraid to even hear them out because it would all just be bigoted lies anyway. But when a trans person said it themselves, or a gay person, or a black person, and they say the literal opposite of what they "should" say AND it all makes sense it just opens up your world view.

No. 18898

Nonnies, do you know or have any theories on how the tranny trend started and escalated? Is there a patient zero that started it? We can all blame it on tumblr and the pandemic but even then there has to have been something that started and fanned the flame.

No. 18904

I'm 98% sure that if I told my TIF friends what I really think, they'd drop me and tell everyone we know that I'm an evil fascist, but the 2% possibility that they'd consider what I have to say and understand that I'm being completely reasonable haunts me.

No. 18905

>>18898
It was a slow movement that started decades ago, but it only escalated recently because of niche internet communities.
I honestly think tumblr did a lot of harm by practically inventing the gender "spectrum" and non-binary identities. And that's where the female social justice part of it started that's so harmful. It started at least 10 years ago though (the pandemic didn't have much to do with it at all imo other than of course more kids being more on social media and getting groomed, but the whole movement was already going strong).
Then places like 4chan and reddit spread the AGP and coomer degenerate parts of it in their corners to males.

No. 18906

>>18904
you're the one who should drop them nona, find friends who you can actually give your perfectly reasonable opinions to without fearing they'll think you're a literal facist

No. 18912

>>18898
There were trannies before Tumblr, including AGPs and other particularly offputting ones, but as someone who was there when it really took off, Tumblr was definitely ground zero for making it a trendy bandwagon. Specifically the popularization of being nonbinary in 2012. I remember it vividly, and it was very, very stark, almost overnight. The Tumblr girlies ate that shit up, and I never thought it'd spread like it did because it was such a specifically Tumblr phenomenon back then, but here we are.

No. 18916

Having a very "troons ruin everything" day. So sick of every youtuber trooning out over coom. I want the whole world to know how degenerate they are

No. 18923

>>18904
Mine said that they didn’t necessarily disagree with me about gender but since gender wasn’t abolished yet the only way they could survive in this world was to keep being TIFs

Granted this was almost a decade ago and I’ve said nothing about it in years and just let them assume I’ve drank the Kool-Aid, with one of them deciding that I’m agender and me not caring enough to argue. I’m pretty sure now they’d call me a fascist and ditch me if I told them what I thought.

No. 18924

I’ll try not to give too many details as to not imply location or actors, but something hilarious happened… If positive venting is such a thing.

>chatting with friend, who belongs to a local, closed off community for fans of a piece of media. Tells me a recent story:

>fan club decides to meet for a special occasion
>meeting scheduled to be at a themed place about the media. Media is family friendly, so parents actually take their children to the cafe sometimes.
>event organizer decides to invite a friend (male) who is not part of the fan club.
>tranny
>arrives wearing fishnets, a skirt so short half his ass showed, and massive plaftorm heels
>discusses being a whore with members of the fan club
>friend tells me at some point he drops something and when picking it up his skirt is so short she can actually see his balls inside a thong, which makes her disturbed
>everyone in the meeting is uncomfortable but keeps it to themselves, because tranny
>two weeks pass
>the place complained to the event organizer
>parents complained to the event organizer
>event organizer cuts tranny off for good, apologizes to members, says tranny had never dressed like this and only presented as male until that day, doesn’t understand what happened but he’s probably a genderspecial
>fan club sets a dress code and bans discussion of gender from the group

My friend has been committing increasing wrongthink since then and more shamelessly. I’ve noticed a pattern where meeting an AGP tranny in the wild tends to really get under people’s skin and fast track them to peak, which is fucking hilarious. (The same thing happened to me). Mashallah this keeps happening. Also I feel sad the event organizer was blamed for the troon’s actions, but I’m glad she had it in her to cut him off and prevent that from happening again.

No. 18925

>>18924
I've noticed a similar pattern of people going from staunch tranny defender to "umm that was weird…" once they actually interact with TIMs, not just with normies but even with TIFs. The only way you can support TIMs is if you've never interacted with them before or if your only interactions with them have been brief and superficial (and you just so happened to interact with one who knows better than to start babbling about girlcock). This is why I absolutely do recommend people "listen to transwomen," once they do they hear everything they need to hear and see everything they need to see. It happened to me too. It's like Paris Syndrome but with trannies kek

No. 18927

This trans bullshit has only served to high light to me how big of a difference there is between me and my straight friends and family members. I see them all supporting troons and queers in a kinda awkward out of touch straight person way. I can't entirely blame them for it, but I know they're just self-interested straight people. I don't have any issue with it; I just wish they'd be honest about it. I think it's actually caused long term damage in how they have lied to themselves for so long. I hate how isolated I feel now. Before I still felt like I was mostly normal and generally accepted as just another person, I didn't feel so different from everyone else. Now I just feel like I'm separated from all my loved ones by an invisible wall. I still regularly hang out with people, but I can never be open or honest with them anymore, I don't trust them. They're all extremely pro-trans save for a few mildly skeptical ones. I can never communicate with them how trans people treat gays and bisexuals away from the general public's view. I've actually been in a violent and dangerous domestic abuse situation with an older family member, and oddly enough, it feels a lot like that. A problem I hide from my friends for reasons I can't describe. I won't say a word about this to any of my loved ones. I'll just wait for it to die, because that worked out before when I was a kid, why not now? I see the cracks forming anyways.

I could show the people close to me how trans people are treating gays and bisexuals, and maybe some would even believe me, but they won't ever stop being sympathetic to them until they are burned by it. I don't want to start any drama with my friends anyways. I'm friends with all moids, mainly because I'm just very masculine and into male dominated hobbies. Autism, and all. They don't understand what it's like to be biologically female and the threats that are present. They think tims are just tragic oppressed women because they've never been sent homophobic hate speech or rape threats. I trust them, but I don't really expect them to be very understanding. There are mainly two people who are the most openly pro-trans, and I've actually been afraid of them trooning before, but luckily nothing happened, and now I see it being far less likely. Crisis averted, I guess. I think having a social life and actual biological females in your life you talk to might discourage trooning in males, but maybe I'm just naive or self important. I've had two people close to me troon out before and even a brother who gave warning signs, but I think that myself and my social circle might've made it out of the troon trend with only two casualties, which is actually quite impressive.

No. 18928

>>18927
I find the first part interesting in how different our experiences can be. For me it's mostly bisexual and asexual people I know and met that are heavily pro-troon while straight and gay people are the ones that are uncomfortable by them because the trannies won't stop harassing us. Like every time it's brought up that I wouldn't date a transman I get told it's transphobic to have a "genital preference" at worst or "so you have a genital kink?" at best by my bisexual and asexual friends, and when I tell them it's nothing I can just "get over" to save someone else's feelings I just get this empty look and them going "what's the big deal?" because they genuinely don't understand how I can only like one thing and not the other. I have getting some, but not quite as harsh, comments from some pro-troon straights but they have one thing in common: they are in long-term relationships so they haven't been on the market as troons have been taking over so they don't understand how fast people are to call you a transphobe for not wanting to suck the girlcock or whatever tif equivalent there is.

No. 18931

>>18925
gonna blogpost real quick the fact that people support troons until they actually talk to them and realise it's a coom thing is hilarious. being in a ffxiv data center server/fc headed by a TIM who used massive titty mods on his self-insert character was something that weirded me out from the get-go and definitely fast-tracked me peaking, even if i just thought i was being an evil bigot and needed to stop wrongthinking in the first place kek.

No. 18932

>>18931
NTA but TIMs also accelerated my peaking when I interacted enough with them online.
I was a turbo-coomer myself too, unfortunately I had a porn addiction for a very long time and was a pickme and troon supporter. I even tolerated and liked some futa and tranny porn, it was that bad. But not even I could stand the level of mental illness and porn obsession as those scrotes who every single day, all day long, talked about sissification, turning into a "slut", shared their nudes, demeaned themselves calling themselves and each other female terms, were into pedo shit, and so on. They showed me on their own that it is a fetish and that their fetish is entirely based on misogyny and pedophilia.

I coped with the facts so many times, telling myself I wasn't being understanding enough to them and that they're just suffering a lot and depressed so I should tolerate their sex obsession, until I finally got sick of it all and then it clicked: they're just like any other male, especially incels.

No. 18933

>>18898
What I would like to know is how the hell it spread from Tumblr to the mainstream. We all know Tumblr played a part in it, but it's still a mystery to me how a bunch of terminally online girls making new genders up for fun ended in trannyism being officially promoted by medical institutions worldwide.
>>18916
I was reading an article about an airplane crash that happened in my country, and ended up watching some videos about airplane accidents. I would've never realized that the owner of that YT channel recently trooned out, if it wasn't for the comments, since he has such a male voice making no effort to sound female. He has a side channel where he uploaded this video about his autism.
Gruesome plane disasters are such a stereotypical male interest kek.
Every moid with a strong interest in something troons out I'm so sick of it

No. 18935

>>18933
>but it's still a mystery to me how a bunch of terminally online girls making new genders up for fun ended in trannyism being officially promoted by medical institutions worldwide.
It's insane really, and it makes me feel scared for other areas. What other pop-culture pseudoscience have reputable institutions adopted for no reason without us knowing?

Trans ideology followed the previous big social justice topic of race. Then they basically just swapped the talking points to be about gender. People had already been primed to accept critical race theory as truth so it was easy to convince them to accept it again in a different context. Racism is accepted as bad, so surely transphobia is just as bad if everyone says so. (You can see other movements such as the "fatphobia" movement use this tactic too, they now unironically say fatphobia is actually rooted in racism.)

We also have to remember they didn't start out as insane as they are now. They gradually moved the goal post. Initially it was just "We have gender dysphoria and to help alleviate it we transition to the other sex.", nonbinary wasn't a thing, demigender wasn't a thing, transwomen weren't women, gender wasn't a spectrum.
It's why it doesn't matter what people do to accomodate trans people, because it will never be enough for them no matter what. If we could perfectly replicate a working female body medically and let them all have it, they'd just insist they get transplants from real women instead, that they have a legal right to access to our real female bodies.
The moving of the goalpost is also why it's SO easy to get someone to fall into the trans trap. You can pick and choose how far down the cult you go for each point and it doesn't matter that the points contradict themselves. It's extrememly common to hear a TRA or troon say "trans women are women!" only to in the next breath say "well of course we know we're not biological women, nobody said that you idiot". You can't argue with them because they literally don't use any consistency or logic and they don't even care to try.

I'm someone who thinks dialogue is important. But you really can't do that with TRA. All you can do is listen, take what they say and show it to others and talk about them that way. By FAR the best way to peak people is to just have them see what trans people are actually saying and doing.

No. 18936

>>18924
>If positive venting is such a thing.
We need more positive venting, I love to hear about people being peaked

No. 18937

>>18935
>What other pop-culture pseudoscience have reputable institutions adopted for no reason without us knowing?
AYRT, I just realized that the reason this happened is not because of Tumblr, or at least, that wasn't the main reason and, at most, Tumblr was a propaganda platform to indoctrinate those terminally online girls with an ideology that already existed before.

Someone in the MtF thread recently shared this:
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers
So there was already support for trans ideology in those institutions through powerful degenerates with tons of money to promote their fetish, completely separate from Tumblr retardation.
Let's also remember that transsexuals were a thing even in the 20th century, so they've been pushing for "trans rights" since then (but as you said, gradually moving the goalpost). The only thing Tumblr contributed was gullible idiots to propagandize, Tumblr girls weren't the ones pulling the strings or convincing whole medical organizations and even the government to promote gender theory in the mainstream. They merely just helped spread the word among young people on the internet. There were definitely tranny propagandists on Tumblr spreading the ideology in the early days.

>Racism is accepted as bad, so surely transphobia is just as bad if everyone says so

Don't forget how the LGB movement was co-opted by TRAs. People were starting to accept gays and lesbians, then troonies realized they could piggyback off of that, so they added themselves to the LGB. It's just like being gay, they say (even though being gay just requires accepting yourself as you are, and being trans involves mutilating yourself and pumping experimental drugs into your body)

No. 18943

>>18937
I'm sure there are plenty of gross fetishes moids are ready to hard core back as soon as they see the opportunity to do so. They saw they could do it with the trans ideology and they took their chance. And a whole bunch of other fetishes followed like ageplay, pedos, furries, kinksters of all kinds are now claiming some kind of trans label. And they're getting away with it because TRA welcome ALL self-identification with open arms. It will only hurt them in the long run though. Normal people do still think pedophilia is gross and despicable, when people see TRAs welcome them in it ruins any credibility they had. Only people who have been in for so long they turn a blind eye to the pedos are able to withstand it, and people are rapidly beginning to peak.

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>>18933
Because those 'terminally online girls' were teenagers who went to college, got careers, and spread this stuff. They confronted their professors and banded together with fellow Tumblrites. They wrote dissertations on gender and connected with other transgender studies people who had been there since the 90s. They entered academia, the non-profit sphere (this is a huge one), corporate. Remember for years the average tumblr user was basically a nerdier pinterest user, not a shutin. Basically, they grew up and spread their ideology.

The internet part of this really started with the feminist blogs and livejournals. Before that, transgender theory was limited to academia, and transgenders online were mostly MIT guys with an intense crossdressing fetish. "Intersectional feminist blogs" wanted to bring the theory into the mainstream and livejournal and nerdy spaces were a great way to do that. "Intersectional" means you can't just talk about women, you have to talk about every group, including trans. There were some early influential trans blogs in the intersectional sphere - check out archives of "TransGriot", who I think is HSTS. Julia Serano's book "Whipping Girl" also became gospel in these circles.

Tumblr finished what Blogspot and Livejournal started - take third-wave intersectional feminist and digitally spread it to the masses, especially nerdy spaces. Picrel is from 2009, a black woman asking a black MtF how women can support 'transwomen.'

No. 18950

>>18945
samefag but you can find the link here: https://transgriot.blogspot.com/2009/03/monica-speaks-at-womanist-musings.html?m=1

> I see womanists as being far more willing to accept and embrace us as friends, get to know our issues, and intelligently realize that we have many things in common.


One of the more interesting things here is the willingness to call themselves by the label 'transwomen', which is verboten nowadays, and the idea that MtFs and women "have many things in common," not that they are the same thing. If the trans had kept this same attitude (we're not the same thing, we just have common interests) and recognized that not every branch of feminism needs to include, let alone focus on them, then none of this would have happened. They could have happily stayed with the libfems and focused on ending violence against prostitutes while radfems would basically just focus on women and not really pay attention to them. But of course, even in these halcyon days they can't help but hate anyone who calls out that the medical industry claiming to 'create' women is misogynistic:

> Feminists, and particularly the radical feminists are still clinging to the 'hate on transwomen'. screeds uttered by Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, Mary Daly and others.


And here's one that reads very differently in 2023. As shown by this thread, this works very poorly if the 'transwomen' are misogynistic and don't care about women's issues. Which, frankly, seeing this person complain that there's a branch of feminism that doesn't focus on transwomen, shows me even in 2009 they were just pretending to be down with the cause because they needed libfems on their side.

> One is form friendships with transwomen. You'd be amazed how much you do have in common with transwomen and how much we desire to be full partners with cisgender women.

No. 18954

>>18945
>Julia Serano's book "Whipping Girl" also became gospel in these circles
I don't understand how any supposed feminist could read that and see a thoughtful work by an oppressed minority instead of an entitled perverted moid whining

No. 18957

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One day we will have to confirm that no matter how sympathetic the expressions of gender dysphoria are, they have no sense in logic.

The agreement of ‘passing’ as a goal for these men are founded in very simplistic, uncharacteristic models of “women” that are dyed by THEIR OWN perspectives of women. The beautiful, naked, exaggerated thinly form of woman.

Show a picture of a facially and body-heavy hair, like one of our natural genetics or developments like PCOS. Of our big shoulders, feet and muscles. You will see no sympathy and acknowledgment; it’s not their picturesque woman, which they claim as proof of their strived female sex. I am done of this lie.

No. 18958

>>18957
Their whole movement is based on reinforcing sex stereotypes while pretending and claiming to do the opposite. They can't win even if they get their way because if nothing is gendered they can't be male, female nor gender-neutral. If for example a dress isn't "for women" tims have no reason to wear them, it wouldn't make them look "more female" than other men, give no gender euphoria, no skirt go spinny, no help in passing. A tif couldn't refuse to wear it to look "less female" or wear it while pretending to be "a heckin gender norm breaking boy in a dress uwu".

If you can't ever tell what gender someone is or what sex or their chromosomes, then their truly exists nothing to base their movement on. How can gender euphoria exist if no one can tell anything about gender? "I feel like a girl/boy" would mean nothing without gender stereotypes.

No. 18959

Just had a flashback to years ago when I had become friends with a guy who later turned out to be an nb-troon who sexually assaulted me. He vented a bit about how a girl he'd hang out with got upset with him and accused him of trying to use her when he just innocently wanted to cuddle (the way autist troons think girls are just up for cuddle/touching you at all times) and how I was better than her because I offered to sleep over at his place "on my own accord". He hardcore baited for it until I asked to be polite (I was dumb I know but he was a close friend at that point) and I found out the other girl had done the same but then actually called him out for it saying it was really his idea all along.
Not until now after cutting ties with him did I realize what a red fucking flag that was, especially since he had no other real female friends (just troons) and I never heard about the other girl ever again so she must have ditched him just like I eventually had to do too. He manipulated me to do what he wanted just like he'd done with her, then he praised me when I took the blame thinking it was my own idea all along. I feel really gross realizing it.

No. 18960

>>18959
samefagging but now I'm wondering if he told me red flags like that on purpose to see how/if I'd react, and when I didn't "get it" he knew I could be easily manipulated too

No. 18965

I’m worried that my relative is going to troon out. She’s a gnc (maybe butch? idk what the criteria for that are exactly) lesbian who’s clearly autistic but afaik isn’t diagnosed. She’s described herself as a feminist and for a long time I just assumed she’d be radfem-leaning because she’s a late 30’s gnc lesbian in the medical field. But I recently came across her Pinterest board on ‘feminism’ and it’s 99% trans shit with an emphasis on TIFs and how uwu valid they are. There were a bunch of truly braindead pins about Disney’s Mulan being a transman and the song I’ll Make A Man Out Of You being some kind of transmasculine anthem because
>it says u must be swift as the coursing river it doesn’t say u have to have a penis to be a man!!1

At a recent visit she looked visibly, quite over-the-top uncomfortable when we were discussing sexing pets in the context of accidental litters, like it pained her to know that we were associating testicles with maleness and the capacity for pregnancy with femaleness. I hope I was imagining it, but she really was curled up on the couch with a face like she was smelling something foul, and constantly clearing her throat like she desperately wanted us to change the subject. She’s never been squeamish about sexual stuff before so I doubt that was it. I swear if this relative troons out I’m grey rocking her until she snaps out of it. She’s far too old for this.

No. 18967

>>18965
Can you be direct to her about the dangers of trans and how they prey on gnc girls and women? Or at least with the rest of the family so if she troons out they know exactly what happened

No. 18968

>>18898
>>18905
>I honestly think tumblr did a lot of harm by practically inventing the gender "spectrum" and non-binary identities.
Those weren't all invented on tumblr though, the concept of genderqueer has existed long before tumblr.

On online spaces I think livejournal and deviantart fandom and furry communities were the first places the current type of trans community started to develop, when compared to the usual creepy lonely agp males who had some small forums and the common gay trannies. Sure you had the creepy agps and so on in furry spaces too but from there you got bunch of younger people and teenage girls to participate in this shit, like you had the animal avatars so you know I guess imagining you are different sex goes with that and furries are pervert degenerates so trannyism is pretty much given. At deviantart you had the proto-aiden fujos, and at livejournal you had small social justivce groups and fandom brough these all together.

No. 18970

>>18968
kind of off topic but here is an infamous example of bunch of proto-troons and their fandom insanity from early 00s kek (pretty much everyone in this story that is referred with he/him pronouns is a tif, it seems the video maker removed any mentions of that lmao)

No. 18971

>>18968
They may not have been patient 0 of nonbinaryness but they invented the form of it that got popularized. Where else could you see demiboys and faegender girls pop up in hoards before tumblr? Where they were expected to be treated as real men or non-women simply for saying they weren't ever a girl, and pushing for it to be a human rights issue? Where pronouns were a sacred ritual? I don't think taking testosterone and chopping your tits off while still claiming to be a nonbinary genderless person who doesn't want to look male at all but who loves frilly dresses, somehow was treated as normal and reasonable in many other places. Tumblr absolutely made up the rules as they went and kept pushing until it is what it is today.

No. 18972

>>18970
i actually found the original story but like i said, kind of off topic, but an example that this insanity has existed for a long time

>at the busstop, hojo met me in a labcoat. hojo was, i knew by now, actually a girl- not a transexual, just a girl

>i myself have always been squicked by personal displays of affection. it comes part in parcel with being asexual.

http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/mee.html

No. 18973

>>18968
Does anyone remember the name of that Deviantart emo fakeboi with the weak chin who’d post shirtless pictures with her breasts blurrily edited off and socks stuffed in her pants? I want to say Aki-something but that’s so common that Google isn’t helping. This was back in ye olden days when these girls would pretend to be real honest gay male (often part-Japanese) prettyboys and would deny being trans when asked. Gaia online was full of them back then, but Aki or whatever is the one that sticks out most clearly in my mind.

No. 18975

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Fide (International Chess Federation) bans trans women from women's chess tournaments.

Redditors are losing it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/15syv2g/fide_effectively_bans_trans_women_from/

No. 18977

>>18975
>Trans women desperately need visibility and safe spaces like those, I'd say even more so than cis women
>trans people also face hardships, playing and otherwise. Possibly more hardships than cis women in public.
This shit makes me so mad. Doesn't change the fact they grew up with male privilege and reaped the benefits that it had to offer. Meanwhile girls were discouraged and ridiculed for having interest in a male dominated field. It's not like there's a shortage of troons in STEM fields like CS and engineering either.

No. 18978

>>18977
>Doesn't change the fact they grew up with male privilege and reaped the benefits that it had to offer.
It's also just not true that they as men need more visibility and face more hardships than women. But if they're gonna say cis women are soooo oppressive and mean give them their own trans space then so they can be safely away from us. They could argue gay men and mentally delayed people face unique hardships, but putting the gays and disabled men in the women's section to protect them from other men is not the solution nor fair to women.

Glad they banned them tho kek we love to see it

No. 18985

>>18975
Nature is slowly, slowly healing.

No. 18989

>>18975
>testosterone gives men more energy
>more muscles means more vigor
>can compete in chess for longer periods of time
>there are more rare men at the higher extreme of the bell curve than women, because intelligence is fluid and testosterone gives them the energy/vigor/nlog-entitlement to encourage them to intellectually challenge themselves
>men in general are smarter by 3-4 iq points because of this (i cant remember if this is due to the center of the men's bell curve being skewed right, or because men's average is overall raised by autists at the higher extreme)
>trans women benefit from this
>trans women shouldnt compete in womens chess

sidenote:
<women need to substitute this energy/vigor/nlog-entitlement by building true confidence and motivation, rather than one supplied by hormones
<socialization still plays a role which causes women to doubt themselves (as proven by studies, women perform worse when in the presence of men, to any bpers reading)
<thus a womens chess tournament should be female-only to encourage women to play, not discourage
<to build raw confidence, motivation
<and only the greatest of women (arguably greater than men in spirit) are able overcome this
<thats why most of us are midwits and losers

No. 18996

>>18989
Just say that women are less likely to have started playing chess as kids or encouraged to play chess. Not that complicated. Trans people should only be allowed to compete with their bio gender though because otherwise makes no sense.

No. 19006

I'm so fucking tired of troons ruining everything. They basically ruined my life by grooming my 12 year old self into thinking I was a true & honest man and not a gnc woman who had been sexually abused. They told me to lie to doctors. I feel like I lost 8 years of my life stuck in this cult and echo chamber, I lost my breasts, my skin texture, my singing voice, so many of my friends, I developed endo, PCOS and addictions (because after several years of medical transition, all troons still know deep down they will never be born with the chromosomes they wanted and all you can do is chase the perfect camouflage harder and harder, so you mimic it in addictive behavior too).
I was part of the problem of "ruining everything". I see it now more than ever, every fucking thread on every fucking social media that exists, they have to make it about them one way or another, or handmaidens and chaser coomer males (and everyone else who's scared of being cancelled) have to shoehorn in a heckin valid disclaimer to include troons even if they're talking about a completely unrelated hobby. I hate this retarded psyop so much, I hate my friends trooning out when they perfectly saw how much it ruined me and how miserable I was when I was there, I hate people defending "top surgery" and poisoning women with hormones as casual fun things that are totally reversible.
I hate it so much when people tell me to "just ignore it" and look elsewhere. I already quit most social media because I don't want to run into it. I don't even wanna talk about it, I never bring it up with anyone who's not close, it's not like I'm trying to campaign for how I'm feeling about this. I can't install enough browser extensions and blacklist enough words everywhere to shut them up, they always have to find a way somehow to make it back, because gender is all they have. It's their entire identities, life plans, interests, it all revolves about how trans and kweer they are, how much degen sex they're having and how "gender" this or that is. How can it be all they ever talk about? It's so fucking bleak. It's like they've had all personality and humanity sucked out of them. They have no hobbies outside of "gender" and consuming media. I feel both like I'm one of the sane ones and like I'm going insane when around them. And having to pretend I'm okay with it or at the very least not say anything is exhausting.
I can't wait for it to die off as a fad, but I'm not excited to be the one all my former friends - who ghosted and blocked me when I came out as detrans - come crying to because I was right and I'll be the one to understand. It's already begun happening and I want to disappear. Even after years of coming to my senses it's like it keeps getting worse. And I was already ashamed to be one of them in the mid 2010's. This decade is gonna see a fucking tidal wave of women groomed into believing their internalized misogyny/SA/homosexuality/autism meant they were men as teens coming out in droves with this irreversible medical trauma and damage. And there'll be no support, no community, no financial help to go back, there was never any of this for these women that wasn't a front for a fridge temp IQ politically-motivated TPUSA campaign, asking them to put the clown nose on and parade.
The real "trans kids" that need protection are these women, and it breaks me that inevitably a lot of them will cave from the pain of detransitioning and kill themselves. I'm refraining from doing it so that no troons or moids can ever use my still-lukewarm corpse to make a point.

No. 19008

>>18996
Don't argue with a moid. Just report.

No. 19012

>>19006
Sorry you had to go through all that nona, I really am. I hope and believe you can find peace and happiness even after all that some day. Detrans people speaking out, even in anonymous places like this, is what made me realize I can't just be a quiet bystander to all of this and I've been peaking people around me since. I obviously don't know you but I see you, and I see other girls and women hurt by this movement, and I'm angry and sad on your behalf.

No. 19022

>>19008
im not a moid and that person isnt arguing with me

No. 19025

>>18996
>less likely to have started playing chess as kids
that sounds like such a cope

No. 19034

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>people calling this moid "a queen"
>"I'm a lesbian but I swing both ways when it’s funny" so homophobic but so funny!"

And they call themselves more "progressive"?

No. 19035

I'm always looking out for cryptos especially from my country. There's an lesbian anthology in the works but when I checked the members they all kept saying wlw, sapphic, GL. Half are he/they lesbians. It's so over.

No. 19038

>>19034
This is clearly just some fetish power fantasy he has and nothing something he's actually doing. And even if he did, "man in a dress acting inappropriately" isn't the "gotcha" he thinks it is, it's just "weird uncle acting like a sexist pig as usual but in a dress this time"

No. 19053

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This is so true, I'm tired

No. 19054

>>18954
Gigahon screeds became gospel in feminist circles for some inexplicable reason

No. 19055

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>>19034
if you didn't know this already, this is ripping off a very popular existing joke.

No. 19058

>>19006
I feel this so much. It's been painful to see friends start down the path of medical transition after I disclosed (in vulnerable detail) how years of testosterone wrecked my body. It's also been profoundly insulting to see friends larp a trans identity when all they changed was pronouns. I've had to unfollow friends who kept posting brainless propaganda about how "trans kids" need to be medically affirmed at all costs, and how detransitioners are a right wing psyop. Do they think my case was a one-in-a-million exception? Why are they so slavishly devoted to this ideology?

No. 19066

It makes me genuinely upset to see so many young women trying to run away from reality by deluding themselves into being she/they, he/they, they/them or whatever is coded as "not a woman!". I usually saw these in weird autistic profiles, but now I've seen in so many profiles of women in their early 20s that look like normies. The amount of talented artists that I used to follow that suddenly are "not women anymore! I'm totally a he/him!" is ridiculous. I don't feel angry at them as individuals, but I feel upset that "not being a woman" is the new solution being sold to them.
I empathize with them, I used to hate the reality too, I wished it would be different and I understand how tempting it sounds to just change a pronoun and think it will fix some of the problem, but it won't. Running away from reality won't fix anything, it will only make it worse over time. I used to pretend I was male on the internet and on online games, until this day I won't say my gender unless it's necessary. It was a pleasant experience to "run away" from things for a moment, but it's a very limited, it's not a solution by any means, it's a copying mechanism at best that is short lived.

No. 19072

>>19066
>it's not a solution by any means
What is then?

No. 19073

>>19072
What do you mean?

No. 19075

>>19073
>I empathize with them, I used to hate the reality too
>used to
>It was a pleasant experience to "run away"
>it's not a solution by any means
I'm asking about your solution.

No. 19084

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i'm so tired of gender holy shit these boring faggots

No. 19085

>>19084
Why Leon exactly? This is a new kind of husbandofaging. As if some cop in some apocalyptic world has the time for this bullshit.

No. 19088

>>19075
I started accepting reality as much as it hurt, because I knew not being a woman wasn't an option. So many things in my life I wished could be different, I still hate many aspects, but I've learned to direct the hatred where it's deserved and it's not on what I am. The problem isn't being a woman, it's the men who abuse us, it's the culture that makes us hate our bodies, it's the lack of proper support for our needs and so it goes. I can still hate the reality without hiding from it, accepting it doesn't mean enjoying every aspect of it. I don't have a solution, that's why I empathize with them, I understand how they got there, I understand it's frustrating, but clinging to a delusion hurts more long term. It's like being high, yeah it's great for a few hours, but when reality comes back it's dreadful and depressing, makes you want to go deeper and deeper into the hole.

No. 19093

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>>19085
he's straight woman bait i guess that's why

No. 19094

>>19085
>>19093
Holy shit, are you me? I genuinely considering posting this exact image on lc yesterday. I'm so tired of seeing Leon with a pussy, "he is so gender" or whatever. People who go by they/them are usually the most obsessed on gender I've seen.

No. 19096

>>19093
Atyrt, your picrel so goddamn cringe I'm dying. I'm bi but I also unfortunately find Leon hot and he unfortunately appeals to the common denominator so ofcourse genderspecialfags are gonna latch onto him.

No. 19100

>>19034
>Lex

Of course. Reminds me of when I saw a TIF on there looking for a woman to act as a "beard" for her bf

No. 19113

>>19084
Most sane leonfag

No. 19119

>>19066
Me too nona. I'm now strangely proud to never have rejected the label of girl/woman through all this. I was always a tomboy and got diagnosed with autism as an adult, I'm a prime target basically. I think there's something beautiful in never having given up on females, of always knowing we're good enough as we are and that running away from yourself is impossible no matter who you are. I see now that the "evil terfs" I saw in my handmaiden days were just tired girls and women, doing their best to keep people like me safe from harm, all while getting insulted and villified. I regret every single activism post I reblogged or liked back on tumblr.

I have a lot of compassion towards those who got lured into transitioning and still made it out the other way. It takes a lot of strength to go against the cult once you and all your friends are in it, you suddenly have so much more to lose. Even just admitting you were wrong (which I as a handmaiden also had to do) can be super fucking hard. That's why I don't think "exploring gender" for kids and teens is as harmless as people try to make it out to be. It's also a lie, because you're not exploring gender at all. You're really just experimenting with fashion and presentation. It's not that hard to say "I'm not really into the semi-goth style anymore, I'm trying out cottage core now" but to say "actually my entire world view was wrong, I know I was super adamant that you call me Dave and that I'm a boy but please go back to my real name, I was wrong about everything" takes so much introspection, humility and bravery. Because that's embarrassing to admit. And you have to do it to EVERYONE, including everyone who told you that you were wrong and that it's just a phase, and people who sacrificed their own friendships to protect you. And that's before anything medical is even part of it yet.

No. 19147

tumblr is such a goddamn cesspit. saw a post where a TIF pointed out that someone was being """twansmisogwnistic""" but was concerned about a grown man in his late 40s hitting up a barely legal TIM for sex while in an open marriage. cue the TIMs in the replies being "barely legal is legal" and criticising the TIF for not caring more about their fake oppression than a guy dating someone half his age. funny how they say people can never tell who is/isn't trans and yet TIMs are always jumping TIFs for not caring enough about them and having problems with their disgusting behavior

No. 19157

Perhaps not as pressing as the trans issue but I feel like it's all connected… I think the next social contagion for girls that should be looked into is that SO many girls claim to be asexual. I see comments about "as an aroace person…" and they've all got thousands of likes and comments agreeing. Girl unless you were a trans victim who was put on puberty blockers as a child, and then wasn't given any replacement hormones whatsoever and is now incredibly mentally stunted as a result I highly doubt that's true. You've just been told that female sexuality is the same as being a horny slut 24/7, that you gotta be "sex positive" and that the natural repulsion to it isn't super common, enough so for most societies in the world to have sex as a taboo topic. Like if prostitution is icky to you you're told you're slutshaming and incorrectly saying sex work isn't real work, some gross twisted shit like that. Either you're a terrible slutshaming bigot, or you're just a valid ace person.

A lot is from the same thing as the tifs come from. Girls trying to escape being seen as sexual objects for men, with a touch of hatred for all the other girls who are sluts (and thus making YOU seem like a slut too, how dare they). You're deeper and more special because you only care about personality. I'm not sure if it actually plays a role, but I'm not discounting that it could also be a medical issue happening from something we're not considering, like perhaps childhood obesity also later greatly decreases libido in the adult.

It can't JUST be stress and insecurity that causes it because pretty much every generation has had that. Other generations went through fucking war and still made it out with functioning sexualities, you know? The last generation that went through the eating disoder era still made it out. There's clearly a social contagion aspect to the ace epidemic too. A big part is that these girls are told being asexual is natural and valid, just like how being gay or trans is, rather than an extremely unnatural uncommon medical condition that should be looked into if it's true. But then 90% of them still go on to say "oh I love reading smut, I just don't want to do the sexy things myself". You ain't asexual then, because you enjoy and seek out sexually stimulating things. Just because it doesn't involve others directly doesn't mean it's not sexually motivated.

No. 19161

It's frustrating how tifs wants to have the cake and eat it too. Oh, so you're a man now and want to be perceived as such? Then don't throw a shitfit whenever you're not invited to a girl's night. I've helped out with three different bachelorette parties and all three times there was some tif stomping their feet and complaining about how left out they're feeling and that we should just ignore traditional rules so they can take part (with of course us relenting every time because it's not worth the arguing), but the moment anyone at the babyshower brought something for specifically the parents (like a giftcard for a spa evening, in one specific instance) the very same tifs throw a fit about how it's tradition to only give gifts to the soon-to-be-born baby so it's wrong to give something personal to the parents.
Like…how do you want it? Do you want keep up the rules when it comes to traditions, or do you want to break them? You can't say you're a man with your flaky neckbeard and still demand to be invited to women-only activities. I know part of troonism culture is to be entitled af, so I shouldn't really be that surprised, but still.

No. 19168

>>19157
It's not like being asexual requires you to take hormones and chop of your tits

No. 19169

>>19168
Yet. People are now chopping their tits off and taking cross sex hormones to be more "non-binary". If you're asexual you're not going to use your uterus or boobs for a baby anyway, why not yeet it and be free from periods and uncomfortable bras? Boobs are sexualized a lot so trying to "desexualize" themselves by having them removed isn't far away

No. 19173

If mtf troons are "weaker" than other men due to hrt and that makes it "fair" to compete with women, shouldn't there be a push for disabled men to compete with women too? Wouldn't that be also be "fair"? Oh and boys. Boys are weaker than men, so they should be allowed in women sports too right? Totally "fair"?
Same for female spaces. A troon risks violence from men and so wants to be protected in female spaces where he doesn't belong. So why shouldn't disabled men and boys demand the same? If a troon "isn't a threat" and "at risk" among other men than why shouldn't these also vulnerable to mens threat groups also invade female spaces instead?
I don't doubt that's where we'd end up if we let this go on. All female spaces would be filled up with males.

No. 19175

>>19161
They give themselves away with their logic. They're women through and through, just NLOGs with extra steps.

No. 19177

>>19161
Really annoying how every time there's some sort of "women in x" visibility boosting campaign it ends up full of TIFs. When asked they'll usually say that it's because they still experience misogyny… Which is true, but isn't it evil TERF rhetoric to say that sex-based oppression exists?

No. 19185

>>19177
Tifs don't get called out enough for still using female spaces, while they're still somehow loudly asserting tims belong in female spaces and sending them to men's spaces is unreasonable. Shouldn't you as a "man" only be in men's spaces then? Why aren't you insisting you get condoms for tifs, the way tims want binders and tampons? They want male priviledges and to still access to female spaces, just like tims huh

No. 19192

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Not that much of a rant but it's always creeped me out how all tifs seem to have obvious porn addictions. Even the ones who posted on farms like Rita seemed to be pornsick. I think this is because of the testosterone and other mental disorders they have.
On the spoilered pic, trans identitified women have posted their pictures and begged men to play along their very pornsick humiliation fetishes.

No. 19193

>>19192
I wish someone would send it all to their handmaiden friends who all insist THEIR troon friend is just an "uwu innocent autist trans". If they truly were innocent they wouldn't have trooned out in the first place. There is NO way to convince an "innocent autist" he's a troon without enticing him through porn, and if he's the kind to act meek and innocent it's almost guaranteed to be loli/pedo adjacent things that made him troon out.

No. 19200

>>19192
it's fucked. A good blackpill of their degeneracy is when you search the detrans tag on tumblr, 99% of it is shat up by degenerate TIFs who want to be misgendered and called girls instead of community for actual detrans women. I harbor such a deep hatred for them, I hope their porn addiction hits them with the consequences.

No. 19201

>>19192
My friend stumbled upon a former tif friend of mine on a sex site, on her profile she was bragging about how she could fit a fanta bottle in her "boypussy". True degeneracy.

No. 19204

>>19200
It's no consolation to know you aren't alone, but… you aren't. They've found an especially hideous way to keep people in the cult. And this may sound like eugenics but hear me out: since true validation for your average Tiffany McPornbrain would be dying of AIDS just like "Lou" Sullivan, we should respect their choice to be demented bugchasers and withhold modern medical treatment when they achieve the ultimate proof of kweer manhood (seroconversion).

No. 19207

>>19201
That actually makes me sad for her. I hope she doesn't get taken advantage of by someone with ill intentions
>>19200
Absolutely disgusting. I'll never understand why they so badly wanna be misgendered though, I've never seen similar behavior in tims, maybe these tifs aren't as willing to be seen as men(at least sexually) as they pretend they are?

No. 19215

>>19192
Lol I saw this sub two years ago. They were saying they want to be raped.
This is who I got grouped with because I mentioned that I hate dick suckers and womanhood and made someone sperg all over the website neurotically about "ftms" while I have nothing in common with those females that are exactly like any other woman on earth. Imagine getting this mad and accusing me of the things I said I hate while all other women do those things. I used to engage with this girl on other website who made up a lie about me being a "self hating ftm" bc of me saying blackpilled things while I never even hated myself or mentioned desire to transition or never identified as trans while she's a self proclaimed "male brained" perverted woman. Then I got a bunch of neurotic messages from gc bitches who shit themselves at the mention of ftms and started taking how actually I am not manly but the most feminine weak woman they ever encountered. Kek. Absolute obsessed retards and all these people who got mad at me for being blackpilled in my life turned out to be evil hypocrites or sluts. And what's funny about the the women who were ok with bp is that at the same that time suddenly started getting pissy about it they were turning into masochistic sluts. I remember this one misandrist who one day got mad about me and then it turned out that she had a priv acc where she talked about hooking up with males kek(cocksucker chan autism)

No. 19217

>>19215
Are you that anon who calls everyone c*cksuckers?

No. 19220

>>19217
Not to start a fight but sucking on male genitals is a real thing done on a mass scale by human females and I have a phobia of this extreme sodomy so technically calling that people shouldn't be controversial of doing it isn't seen as controversial

No. 19222

>>19220
car hook car door hand hook car type of sentence

No. 19274

>>19222
It doesn't change my point

No. 19291

>>19207
>That actually makes me sad for her.
Don't. She is also a furry that molested my friend, sexually harassed another friend of mine for a long time and stalked me when I cut her off the moment I heard about these things. She is an absolutely rotten nutcase.

No. 19295

I was hanging out with my friends again and trans rights came up unfortunately. They all love to loudly voice their support for trans people and I just kinda wait for the topic to die down. I'm sick of hearing about them. I want to avoid trans people as much as possible. I can't even find it in me to hate them, because I just don't have the energy to hate people. None of my friends are trans and they don't know hardly any trans people (is that really a surprise? If they did they'd wanna avoid them too). I hate being reminded that I'm the only one attracted to the same sex so with trans people routinely harassing the LGB it makes me super uncomfortable. If I ever get asked about it I'll just pretend to be an ignorant and enthusiastic ally. I'll just lie through my damn teeth and make shit up. I'll say that the LGB and T are actually mostly separate because trans people prefer to be seen as independent from the LGB and identify as queer because identifying as straight, bi, or gay is uncomfortable for many of them. I'll say that trans people actually dislike being in women's restrooms and prefer the gender neutral stalls. That they actually aren't attracted to cis people and all want to date each other. I wish it were true honestly. I wish they would just go and be by themselves instead of forcibly including everyone just to bully them. Maybe if I have to deal with an actual troon again I'll be a supportive "ally" but keep making mistakes. I dunno. I wish I could avoid them all. It really is true that trans people hate the LGB though. They hate our group and hate our behavior. I've been harassed by trans people just for being same sex attracted. I could never tell them that though. I could say that trans and gay people prefer not to be lumped in together and that trans people find it offensive and reductive and that calling their sexual orientation queer is more proper. Maybe this could work? I could say "Yeah, ofc I support trans rights! I think it's great that our area accommodates their need for gender neutral restrooms and I think it's great they want to be their own independent community!"

No. 19303

>>19207
>I'll never understand why they so badly wanna be misgendered though, I've never seen similar behavior in tims, maybe these tifs aren't as willing to be seen as men(at least sexually) as they pretend they are
If I had to guess, I'd say it's because sex and humiliation are the same things in their minds, and femaleness and humiliation are also the same things in their minds, so they want to be female when they're having their crappy porn brainrot sex because it's more humiliating but otherwise they want to be taken seriously and respected as people which is why they identify as male

No. 19304

>>19291
Omg wtf. I feel so bad for your friend, I hope your friend hasn't been too traumatized by it. That woman really is sick I guess.
>>19303
Your theory does really make sense, thanks anon.

No. 19310

>>19201
On one hand I don't want to shame women who are forced to do sex work, on the other I want to expose tifs that choose to do degenerate shit and post in online to their friends and family so they can intervene. In what way is that "living your true male/non-woman self"? You're mentally ill and need to get off the internet.

No. 19311

>>19295
>If I ever get asked about it I'll just pretend to be an ignorant and enthusiastic ally.
Advice to all lesbian nonas: Don't do this. Or at least sneak in some "well of course they're valid BUT lesbians don't ever have to date anyone with a dick and it's homophobic to force them to even consider it". Otherwise they ARE going to use you as proof to others and say "my lesbian friend said she would date trans women, so that means they're valid real women". Other bitter lesbians will hear it and assume you're a handmaiden, troons will assume you want to date them etc…

I find if they're brainwashed enough they usually think 90% of troons eventually get srs (even though it's the opposite and nearly non of them do) so you can usually get them to think it's reasonable for lesbians to only want to date post-srs troons with "vaginas" so they can't really accuse you of being transphobic. For the very casual straight handmaidens "would you really date a dickless man? With boobs?" sometimes works for them to get it.

And also reward your friends any time they're critical of troons bs even if it's minor. Smile, show interest and let them subtly know that they said something good. Tell them thinking critically is really healthy and good for them to do, that they're really smart for doing it etc.

No. 19312

>>19304
I hope so too, we aren't very close so we haven't talked about it since it happened (this was back in 2016-17). But I feel a lot of guilt because I was a handmaiden at the time and introduced the tif to the group, she had some issues but none that wasn't too far off from the others I hung out with at the time. So glad people weren't afraid of telling me about who she really was so I could kick her to the curb.
>>19310
Oh no, she isn't doing any sex work. I should have used the term hookup site rather than sex site…

No. 19313

>>19311
>And also reward your friends
Sorry nona, but I can't stop imagining someone giving their friend a piece of candy whenever they criticize troons now lmao

No. 19316

>>19311
AYRT
I should specify what I meant to say: As an ignorant ally I would think of things to say that sound supportive but are actually ignorant. I can't think of any examples, but maybe slipping up like accidentally saying "women and trans women" or just subtle things. Or maybe even that would be noticed. My whole social group is pretty hardcore progressive when it comes to transgenderism. Even one of my friends thinks it's fine to harass people over raising legitimate sexual harassment concerns for bathroom access with tims. So it's pretty bad, but again, none of them are trans so far. I also think that some trans people are a bit wise to the "yasslighting" and hugboxing they get but they don't fully get it. So it just slowly gets under their skin. Especially when it comes to being asked if you'd date a trans woman. I could say "Oh no trans women are too valid and stunning and brave and I don't think I would be able to make "her" feel truly happy. The love between trans women is so pure because of how well they understand each other!" That's a heavy exaggeration but hopefully gets across the point of what I'd try to do. I'm really not a very eloquent person.

No. 19324

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>>19316
>"Oh no trans women are too valid and stunning and brave and I don't think I would be able to make "her" feel truly happy. The love between trans women is so pure because of how well they understand each other!"
Okay no but I think this is perfect. They get to celebrate cheating with each other and "stealing yo man" and breaking up relationships all the time, picrel but they're constantly posting things like this, as long as they call it "t4t" so I think allies can get away with saying they support t4t relationships too. I know TWO girls whose boyfriends trooned out and both the men cheated on them with other troons. One girl walked away and lowkey wrote it off as him coming out as gay but the other is still with hers, 30 years old and just hanging in there I guess.

No. 19339

Does anyone else who used to be friends with TIFs noticed if they were traumatized by any porn or sexual media or looked up such things on purpose? I remembered one of my former friends at school (who became a TIF at a time when we both knew another TIF too) told me she watched Boku no Pico, I don't remember if she looked it up herself and was curious or someone "challenged" her to see it. Apparently it's one of that shock media (in that case, pedo/shotacon as well) that people used to watch for the shock value or because someone told them to check it out not revelaing what it's really about. I never knew the context of that event and she never discussed it in detail but I wonder if it could have been one of the things that traumatized her on some level.
I also know that due to discussing some matters with the second TIF (who came out as trans earlier than her and who was FTM when she became genderfluid later) she used to see some weird images of deformed genitals online (?). Once she brought it in discussion with me too (I think it was because we talked about trans issues back then or the surgery that children with some dysfunctions go through and the ethics of it).
Then the other former friend, that FTM TIF (it was because of hear that I properly learned of the whole trans thing), she used to follow various ecchi sites on Facebook when she was ~13. Idk why she did it, she never spoke about it and one can think it's more associated with teenage boys. Strangely even though I'm repulsed by sexual stuff a lot I never asked her about it and never considered her inferior due to that (guess I tried to forget it, thinking it's some niche things she might not care a lot and the trans thing was more important at that time).
It's only years later and after they distanced from me (which is better even though I didn't think so when I was younger) I notice how bizarre many things were and how they could have been purposely groomed.
Not media rated but it makes me think of how that FTM TIF also claimed to date some random guys online, sometimes from far away countries too.

No. 19362

>>19339
You're describing a regular 2000s kid with unrestricted internet access. Most girls in my class watched that shit, none trooned out.

No. 19368

>>19324
lmao I love this
Troons really do deserve each other, let them cheat and be pornsick with each other and set the clueless normie women free

No. 19372

>>19316
I got it nona! I think you should find better friends though, or peak them asap.

No. 19373

>>19339
We know that there's a whole section of tifs who trooned out from sexual trauma, detrans victims often talk about how it directly affected their choice in trooning out because it made them hate their female body.

While not exactly the same, as a teen my trooniest female friend (who eventually came out as nonbinary) was weirdly obsessed with yaoi and irl gay porn, but in a different way than my other fujo weeb friends. The "normal" fujo friends would just read smut manga and fanfics, they wouldn't openly admit to watching actual porn and at least seemed pretty shocked at the idea when the other girl brought it up. I was the odd one out who wasn't into it at all and I never wanted to know more.

No. 19376

>>19169
I think you’re on to something, anon. I know several women who are pursuing medically unnecessary hysterectomies because they “won’t use it anyway” and find menstruation annoying. Not especially painful, just a nuisance. One is a lesbian who’s very enthusiastic about her wife and their sex life but also identifies as aroace. I’m not sure how the others identify but they’re all dating men. I’m all for women having full control over their reproductive capabilities but the way some people think they can treat their bodies like Mr Potato Head is really disturbing.

>>19324
Is she/they code for actual woman?

No. 19380

>>19376
she/they means actual woman in that post

No. 19381

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i love how easy it is to clock troons solely on music. i clock them within seconds on lastfm and it’s laughable how male they are even in music taste. they always listen to other tranny artists with “loli” in name or anime on their cover art

No. 19382

I was messaging a handmaiden friend (not a close one) and I'm wondering if she could have picked up that I've peaked because I told her I have a preference for cis women
when we're both bi and used the LGBT acronym instead of LGBTQXWK. Am I just being paranoid? She hasn't replied but I often don't reply to her, it's just how our friendship is. I don't like hiding how I really feel from people especially when it's an issue that affects me as a SSA woman but I feel like I have no choice, neither IRL or online unless I want to be cut off from everyone.

No. 19383

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>find book titled Rad American Women A-Z in waiting area of business
>I bet there’s a troon in it
>yup

No. 19386

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Does anyone here actually get chills or some kind of deeply disturbed physical sensation around troon lingo? I was looking up on Twitter how they were linking lolcow threads here (you should search lolcow.farm on twitter occasionally because mad trannies even post 2X here sometimes), then saw how how much they use the word "gender euphoria". Even typing that creeps me the fuck out.

They'd make everything about "gender euphoria" and when they're sad, it's "gender dysphoria". They'd take unrelated characters, some of which I'd like, and go "this gives me gender euphoria". It's like they're in a cult and have been deeply brainwashed to think in gender 24/7 and it feels like watching a literal insane person from a distance, but nobody else sees it. I don't want them near me. I don't want them liking the same anime characters as me. I don't want them liking the same cartoon characters as me. I don't want them to be anywhere but some locked down island away from normal civilization.

Why can't they just admire a pretty boy male or a nice female character? Why do they want to wear their actual flesh? They feel like skinwalkers, like Buffalo Bill. It made me actually scared some troon might be doing that to me. These people are dangerous.

No. 19387

>>19376
>I know several women who are pursuing medically unnecessary hysterectomies because they “won’t use it anyway” and find menstruation annoying. Not especially painful, just a nuisance.
Those women are stupid as fuck and don't know their bodies. Having periods regularly is important for women's health, even just going on the pill to stop it for prolonged times gives women health problems down the line as they age. Iirc one of the risks with hysterectomies is early dementia. Like wow congrats you didn't have to deal with an annoying period for 2 decades of your life but now you can't remember what your family looks like and no one but paid staff ever goes to see you because you make them uncomfortable with your demented ramblings. Hopefully the staff will be an actual female and not an incel tim who wants to take advantage of your confused state, but there's no guarantee and even if he does no one will care because you insisted he's a woman who belongs in your space.

No. 19388

>>19386
Sometimes it's good for troons to read what real women in their lives actually think of them. How women only pretend to see them as women to be polite even though we all know they are men, how we mock them behind their backs over how bad they look and how little they pass. How most of us "evil terfs" peaked from interracting with troons like them, even though a lot of us were handmaidens and allies before. That the most supportive brainwashed ally, even the ones who are coming out as a new form of nonbinary every second week, eventually peaks and turns against them too. History will not remember troons kindly.

No. 19389

>>19386
Doing things like this, collages/memes highlighting how creepy, weird and stupid they are to mock them helps keep you sane. It's like when you just screencap some dumb shit they say and silently post it and then troons report it for "transphobia" kek literally all you have to do is point at their own words and actions

No. 19390

I’m applying to a job at an agricultural research university which makes a big fuss about being inclusive, and of course their DEI page features almost entirely greasy white men in ill-fitting sundresses. Because awkward, badly dressed white male nerds are the most oppressed and underrepresented minority ever, naturally. At least the group I’m applying to doesn’t appear to have any trannies and the application form only allows us to choose between Mr. and Ms. Enbies and xenogenders need not apply.

No. 19412

>>19157
Women have a greater tendency to be sexually reactive as opposed to spontaneous, and I think this is the main driving force here. It explains why many of these aro/ace claiming girls will eventually find themselves in sexually active relationships and still identify this way, because they think that since they don't "see another person and feel aroused" that they don't experience sexual attraction. That they merely feel interested in having sex in isolated moments. I've seen that claimed, "You're not any less asexual just because you have sex sometimes!!" It is of course ridiculous, but finding your place on the spectrum of LGBTQ+ appears to be the current counter-culture revolution, and this is an easy way for a fundamentally straight woman to hop along for the ride (and of course commonly switching to they/them). That's the real root contagion, minority status as accessory.

Another driving force is acknowledging the madonna/whore dynamic of female sexuality in our culture. It isn't all "female sexuality = horny slut 24/7" like you said, the other path is "chaste and discerning and waiting for true love." I'd argue that second path is much more common among the actual women I've known in my life, even if they believe "sex positive" things. Because it's always different when they're talking about other people and not themselves, and they don't want to fuck like that. "I think other people should do whatever they think is best for them" is all they are saying in that case. The most popular opinion maybe of all time. But as we know all that noise and BS leaves a young women coming into her sexuality inevitably confused. It's an "unwinnable" situation, and a young woman seeking male validation is culturally encouraged to choose one of those two paths to attract certain kinds of male attention. When a woman might not want that, claiming "asexual" to escape it probably feels right for them at that time. People have to respect these minority labels right now or get dogpiled. I see it as a woman's words alone not being enough, and using the words of a thousand others to fill in the space for defence. More evidence is that religious women get married all the time and feel completely sexually unfulfilled and devoid of desire, because their ability to engage with this part of themselves was permanently damaged. Take a look at ex-Mormon spaces for more reading. It isn't just that their lawfully wedded moid is terrible, their psychology was attacked at a vulnerable time.

Last point, I think a certain amount of people really are asexual and there isn't anything wrong with that, as you suggest. This is nothing close to as damaging as the trans delusion, these people simply either start fucking or they don't. There's no associated medical component required or encouraged unless enbie-ism enters the picture. I have a close friend who could date but doesn't, out of total disinterest. She gives the basic set of reasons, but has no desire for a family or partner. She doesn't use the word asexual but we're well into our 30's now and she hasn't changed - the word doesn't seem inappropriate for people like her. It is a noble thing to realize what you want and not live on a life-script autopilot, having kids you regret. The social contagion element confusing an increasing amount of women about themselves is a problem, when it is already hard enough to understand a reactive sexuality. And this is a man-hating board, an asexual woman is basically living life identically to a heterosexual woman who has stopped engaging with men. Good.

>>19387
Actually you sound like you don't know anything about women's bodies and frankly like a cud-chewing moid. The regularity of the period itself is not important long-term, but the hormonal cycling is which will (supposed to) proceed regardless of menstruation. IUDs are mostly safe the up to 10 years they can be inside a woman before switching it out for another 10, and the associated risks are not of the down-the-road variety. They stop the menstruation too, pretty common knowledge among adult women and a popular choice. Interesting you don't seem to know that, easily fact-checked. A hysterectomy is the most extreme form of sterilization, far from necessary for most women pursuing voluntary sterilization, and the increased risks from all forms come from specifically removing the ovaries - where critical hormones are produced. Heart disease jumps startlingly up 33% (the number 1 cause of death if you care to play in reality) and the increased early dementia risk you fear-mongered is 8%. A disease with very complex proceedings that you can only decrease but not eliminate your risks of, and without family history you cannot make much of an estimation of likelihood. The bilateral salpingectomy is the safest form of female sterilization, carrying no known negative long-term effects and still dropping your ovarian cancer risks to nearly nothing, and that is what a doctor is actually likely to recommend a woman who they are allowing to pursue this. This process is far more restrictive than what troons go through getting hormones and shit, not to mention actually important considering it is being requested by women who don't want to make babies by accident or have a real medical concern.

Sage for length

No. 19414

I cried last night when I tore down a pro trans safe space badge from my dorm corkboard last night and saw it was put up by the women's and gender department. They are supposed to be fighting for feminism right? Who will protect me if they won't. I'm pretty lucky that because my school is so deeply into trans shit that there are a quite a lot of peaked male students and some male profs because of the absolute delusions some tims here have. But the few women that go here are all she/they or he/they/it (wtf?). I want to vent more but I fear being found out and I'm so close to graduating that I can't "come out" as a terf yet.

No. 19418

>>19414
Could you email the women's department and the peaked professors and let them know how you as a real female feel that they won't protect you? You can set up an anonymous account so they don't know it's you. (You can even mention you set the account up out of fear of getting kicked out just for raising concerns for the safety of females) These people aren't going to be handmaidens forever, even if they'll reject your message right now in the future they'll look back horrified at what they did. Perhaps it will plant a seed of doubt in them.

No. 19431

just blogging but there’s a TiM that comes into my work regularly who i’d kind of befriended before i peaked. after lurking the mtf threads (and mtf reddit) i realized how they really are all the same. this one was an alcoholic for years, had a brain injury at some point, married a woman and got her pregnant, and then trooned out before the kid turned 1. it truly pains me that whenever he comes in all my coworkers fall over themselves complimenting every fucking thing about him. i’m pretty sure it’s because they feel uncomfortable and are trying to overcompensate for being freaked out by him. the silver lining is that one of my coworkers regularly accidentally misgenders him in front of him lmao. someone actually posted his picture on the mtf board a long time ago.

No. 19432

samefag but it’s truly so exhausting to not have anyone to talk about this bs with. i have two friends who tend to agree with me, but they aren’t that passionate about anything so it always feels like i’m giving a TED talk when i bring anything up. also my nigel is so non confrontational/complacent that i think he thinks i’m just a maniac when i vent. he doesn’t give any signs of trooning out but i still worry about it constantly and have made it extremely clear that i have zero tolerance for troonery. how do you all cope? is venting here the only option we have? everything feels so bleak. trannies in my city are like flies on dog shit and i want to move eventually, but it seems like there’s no place left that isn’t infested. the few places that might be slightly better are just cesspools of conservative retardation so you’re just picking between two evils.

No. 19447

It just kind of hit me that this social contagion wouldn't have been possible in the past because teenage fashion didn't exist and they had little to no say in what styles got popular. Teenagers just had to transition into adult cloths from children's clothes. It's so strange that it's one of the driving forces behind this movement, just clothes and fashion.
It nearly always starts with clothes for the small kids, it's either a boy who wants to wear a dress and is told "only girls wear dresses" or a girl who doesn't want to wear them and is told she should want it because she's a girl.

Or well… this WAS the case until recently, now we can see tiktoks of parents bragging about what a good parent they are for purposely only using gender neutral language and they show videos of themselves clearly coaching their child to say they're the opposite gender. It's so obvious when the parent is coaching them I wonder why they're not called out more, like you'll hear them say "do you like sitting still, boring, calm games, dolls… oooor do you like fun! running around!! being adventurous!!! Yeaaahhhh!!! See HE agreed, HE only likes the fun BOY stuff!!" there was clearly only one correct for the child to answer to that question.

No. 19448

>>19157
IMO people who aren't interested in sex exist for real so you can't say that "asexuality" is some dysfunction. I am one myself although I dislike the terminology strongly because they made it into some kind of orientation and I disagree it should be one. I guess something similar would only count as dysfunction when someone wants to be dexually active but something is stopping that person, like trauma or insecurity. I agree that some girls who identify as asexual in youth grow up to be in sexual relationships but that just shows how meaningless it is to make it an orientation and pressure teens to identify as LGBTQP buzzwords. In my opinion it happens because they think that unless they're interested in being porn objects or talking about sex 24/7 the conclusion is they must be asexual if they don't fit the hypersexual normie standards (which is wrong of course).
I know I can sperg about it for a long time but it really makes me angry how they made "asexuality" into an orientation and made it "queer". Since some people aren't interested in sex I'd say they are prone to have less problems in life in the field of sex and/or romance because they're not into sex which gives one new responsibilities and new concerns etc. And yet the queer idiots (including troons) want to do what they can to manipulate these people and make them their handmaidens. Every sane asexual who is against hypocritical shit like "you can watch porn and be asexual" or "you can have sex and be asexual" is shunned in the supposedly "asexual" communities. But I guess they don't lose anything because these communities are troon-pandering shitstorms and your casual hypersexual normie lingo communities.
It exists for real but it's rare and the LGBTQ ruined the popular perception of it (also the self-identified "asexuals" ruin it too, due to the queer connection). I even started to be disgusted by the word "asexual" because I saw more and more people associate it now with the queer idiots.
I agree a lot with what >>19412 said about this topic. The real asexuality wouldn't be a danger, it's harmless and not affecting anyone beside the person who has a sexless life. What ruined it and the perception of it by those who learn about it is the queer association and (what I want to add) the push for people to describe themselves with labels.
>>19432
Relatable. Even though I have online friends who agree with me on this topic I have no one like that irl. And even though I live in a country where the troons are still something niche, the libfems and LGBTQ supporters keep making it a bugger issue. It makes me depressed to see many young adults around my age and teenagers too who support them, not always loud but being ready to criticise women who speak against trannies. I even had a misfortune of going to a school when teachers made everyone use the trans name of some TIF student when I was growing up.

No. 19467

>>19389
kek reminds me of back when otherkin was trendy - there was a tumblr that would just screencap retarded profiles or posts from the otherkin tags and just post them on her own blog, no commentary or edits. Just screencaps. Her inbox was FULL of these weenies claiming they're gonna kill themselves over her blog and that she was evil incarnate for doing it.
100% guarantee all of them are troons today.

No. 19536

I posted in the vent thread a while back about seeing TIM graffiti in women's restrooms. That graffiti is long gone, but today I saw a different one saying something along the lines of "A trans woman peed here- you're in a safe space" in the same building and I couldn't help but to think about how self-serving it truly is. Do they want applause? An award for being such a strong, stunning and brave soul?

Most women are only in public restrooms to do one thing - use it. There is nothing that is remotely unsafe about women's restrooms. Nobody thinks too deeply about it. If TIMs really cared about "being able to use the right bathroom", they'd advocate for more gender neutral bathrooms (so that people who have "other identities" outside of male and female can use them as well), but they don't. Because, in the end, it's all about invading the spaces of women. It's a fetish and I don't understand how handmaidens still can't see it.

That being said, sticker scrapers, markers and wipes to remove graffiti are now key staples in my bag.

No. 19552

My best friend from highschool trooned out a few years ago and even though I never really stopped peaking I really tried to be respectful of him. I spent years thinking "ok well 80% of troons are agp brony freaks but some tims are just normal people right?" This guy has been my best friend for over 10 years, and he KNEW that I was raped by a coworker a month ago who had cameras set up, and I've been having a breakdown over the idea there could be revenge porn of me online getting raped. So me and my" friend" were having a conversation and he starts whipping out incel talking points, saying women should have empathy for the fact men who have done nothing wrong feel creepy, that women's suspicion is at fault for the "crisis of male loneliness". I tried to explain to him that if a woman is at the point of feeling NO empathy for men she's probably been extremely hurt and it's for our actual survival, and he starts getting all pissy, insisting he's never been creepy to women and not having empathy is always a bad thing period end of story. I go "I thought you were a woman, not a man?" and he's freaking out saying "well I lived as a man for 25 years, I get the experience of both, not you". I thought male socialization wasn't real? You get to call me transphobic if I reference you having been a man, but you can use it as a gotcha to make rape victims look bad whenever you want, in a conversation about rape? Telling me I don't get to talk about my own experiences, or be afraid of men when it's been less than two months since it happened? He even started freaking out and saying being a man was a prison because "he constantly was threatened with extreme violence if he didn't conform to the expectations of masculinity" Did he forget we were both loser friends together in highschool? No one was threatening him with extreme violence for looking like Shinji Ikari. All he whined about in hs was not being able to get a gf, he never mentioned being afraid of violence a single time. It felt like the most gaslightey infuriating fights I've had with ex-boyfriends where they're trying to make you the crazy emotional woman, while they use lots of big logical emotionless words. Only men act like that. Only men think a woman having a lack of empathy is a crime, but not extending that same empathy towards women is just "logic and reason". I'm just so angry and betrayed and I can't even talk to anyone about it without being labeled a bigot. And I can tell he went to talk shit about me to one of the "cis lesbians" he's trying to fuck and she sided with me, because he out of nowhere switched up from angrily ranting at me and victimizing himself to "I'm really sorry and you're totally right, I hope you still feel safe being my friend but I understand why you wouldn't" Ugh. No I don't.

No. 19566

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>Explaining in a chat about women body stuff.

>"EXCUSE ME, BUT WOMEN ALSO HAVE X AND MEN HAVE X".


>MFW I cannot say that's how human anatomy is or else I'll be labeled as "Terf".

No. 19570

>>19566
it's like saying "so this dinosaur lived 230 mil years ago…" and them going "um excuse me but GOD created the earth, and dinosaurs are fake" like you just can't have a normal intelligent conversation with them because they so strongly believe in their silly things and are only there to insert their own religious views. They don't even care about the topic at hand and want to change it to gender religion at all times.

No. 19577

>>19570
Exactly. If was another chat I would have answered with other stuff, but I would have been reported and I have no one to rant about how ridiculous it was, except in here.

No. 19579

I just came back from a girls sleepover where a TIM was present and oh my god. I fucking hate TIMs but I always thought this particular person was retarded but generally harmless. But jesus christ hes so disgusting. Greasy stringy hair and unwashed yellowed teeth aside hes so ugly I can barely stand to look at him. The whole night he would not SHUT UP about being a tranny and how hawd life is for him. I can't stand it. He uses all his money on coomer shit and would rather take DIY hormones tham shill over some money. He constantly turned every conversation into sex and about his tranny girl orgies. All the handmaidens yes qweened him and I just got so sick of it. He smelled like onions as well.

I can't do this anymore, I hope the bath bomb estrogen rots his balls off.

No. 19582

>>19579
Nona get better friends, they sound awful. What if they had insisted you share a bed with him and "it's fine because you're both girls"? These girls would leave you alone in a locked room with him, pretending he's safe because he's a girl when he's really a coom sick man who could hurt you. They’re not real friends. I would honestly have said I'm not comfortable with how sexual they're all making it (but they'd all know it's aimed at him) and gone home instead. At the very least please being it up with your friends afterwards how uncomfortable you were, you don't even have to act openly transphobic they'll still know who it's about and chances are they kinda agree.

And tell all your female friends about what happened too. You can start off with "this one girl was making everyone uncomfortable… she's trans actually btw…". If there's one thing females are good at it's socially gossiping about which men suck.

No. 19583

>>19577
Rant about troons as much as you want here, it's what the thread is for!

No. 19588

>>19582
I will genuinely refuse to occupy any space with that manlet around again. One good thing is I noticed some of my usual handmaiden friends getting uncomfortable with his coomer comments towards us. He tried to imply me leaning over my friend to show her something on her laptop as 'Yuri bait'. It's actually unbelievable how Tims are able to turn any normal interaction into porn. The thing that was the kicker is that he kept trying to imply that the Barbie movie is troon media and would get aggressive when any actual woman present tried to argue otherwise. I can bet good money that his nonsense peaked some of the girls there because oh my god. It was that bad.

No. 19598

these fuckers are like locusts jesus christ. i feel so hopeless and like i will never be able to find a girlfriend because there is no where to go to find sane lesbians. the dating apps are FULL of trannies and gendies. i'm so sick of seeing them on bumble or her i want to scream. just fuck off! fuck off!! i literally came across one calling himself a "she/it" and a "goth queer poly transfemme furry" and i'm supposed to welcome these degenerates with open arms into my community. no, i don't think so. in a perfect world where they never encroached on women's spaces and lesbian communities i wouldn't give a fuck what they did but by their very nature that hypothetical is impossible. i hate living in a woke city.

No. 19599

>>19583
And I thank you for that.

No. 19601

I can't believe that this whole time, those people were being homophobic to me. I used to be so confused why I couldn't make real friends in the "LGBTQIA+" groups I tried to join. I would meet all these tifs and they were always weirdly hostile towards me, I would try to befriend them because I thought they must be similar to me (am gnc and gay) and are part of my community anyway, but no they would always be cold and the mtfs would be super gung-ho about befriending me. I didn't realize it then because I genuinely thought these people were telling the truth about themselves (don't yell at me, I was a teen), but I do now. It's because they were all straight people in costumes, probably not even bi, and they responded to me the way all straight people do. The women rejected me and the men fetishized and pursued me. That was what peaked me, the whole "you can't say no to me that's transphobic" thing. It hurts my feelings, looking back. I was young and stupid and desperately needed community, they all lied to my face basically and occupied what should've been a safe place for me. In some cases it wasn't an occupation but more of a trap they made. I'm embarrassed and I regret so much ever being around these people.

No. 19602

Heard the story of that detrans woman Kasey. The one who got bullied on twitter for losing all her hair. I heard her story and it was fucking heartbreaking. She had insane fundie parents who forced her to be super girly and straight and when she began developing feelings for other women she started having mental issues due to her homophobic parents. She transitioned and only then was allowed to finally cut her hair and be "straight" for girls. She said wearing masculine clothes just felt right for her and she was fast tracked into medical transition as a child. After detransing she said she just wanted to run away from all the trauma around her birth sex and not be forced to be a straight feminine woman. She even asked her mother when she was doubting her transition if she would rather accept her as a masculine lesbian or as a straight trans man, and her mother said she didn't think she could ever accept her as a lesbian. It hit really hard. I can't believe she was allowed to go through such abuse with nobody intervening and now a bunch of larping straight girls bully her for it for no reason other than their own egos. It really resonated with me too. I've felt like I was meant to be a straight guy, and like my loved ones would accept me more for it. Except my dad I guess, he's always been really supportive of me. In a way, hearing her story helped me resolve some of those feelings, but her story never should have fucking happened to begin with. It was evil. How could they do this to a young traumatized girl?

No. 19604

>>19588
>He tried to imply me leaning over my friend to show her something on her laptop as 'Yuri bait'.
Bring that up in private with you friend, it's a perfect peaking opportunity. If any of your friends pick his side then stop being friends with them.

This goes for other anons in similar situations. You are literally telling them as your friend that a male, a man, made you uncomfortable (typically sexually) and they excuse the man for it? That's shitty behaviour. And they might put you in dangerous situations with those men who have proven that they are perfectly comfortable sexually harassing and bothering females. And like that guy did, he saw your normal interaction and assumed and insisted it was sexual in nature. What if you tried to show him something instead of the friend, and he decided it was sexually aimed towards him and he acted upon it? He's not safe, and if your friends support him they're actively putting you in risk of danger. Real friends worth having don't do that.

No. 19605

>>19601
>>19602
The whole trans movement is built on extreme homophobia, always has been. In all societies where there's been a "third" or trans gender it's always been gay males who were deemed too feminine to be real men, sometimes the opposite for masculine women too but they were often just ignored. Even when it was just "I knew from childhood" troons that's still just internalized homophobia, because they were taught at an early age that they didn't act "correct" according to their sex and somehow got the idea that they should have been the other sex all along. They were gender non-conforming, and people fear that because they associate it with being gay.

No. 19606

I called a mental health hotline the other day and ended up chatting for quite a while with the woman on the other end. I could tell she was choosing her words very carefully when I explained how I was detrans, but when I said I've seen it evolve in the past 15 years and completely boom "like a trend", she actually sighed, laughed nervously and said "yep, you said it, that's the word". She turned out to be a former school nurse and "trans kids" really fucked with her, she peaked organically. When I shared the hopelessness I feel in society as an ex-tif who was heavily medicalized she basically went full-on GC and told me to look into what some Nordic and other European countries are doing (rolling back "care" for minors after actual evidence it doesn't help has started to come in). I'm genuinely convinced many more women are uncomfortable with what's going on than we think and it's a massive emperor's new clothes situation. I hate that it's such dangerous terrain to tread during a conversation when you're trying to parse if someone is GC too, but the relief when you both realize you're safe venting about this to one another is everything. Helen Joyce is spot-on, it's all preference falsification and pluralistic ignorance.
Bless that volunteer. I was so scared she'd be a handmaiden who'd gaslight me about le poor troons during a crisis. If you're on here I love you, I felt so much better after that call.

No. 19609

>>19601
Thank you for sharing this, I am straight and GNC and I've been through the same thing in hobby & fandom spaces that were supposed to be very 'open' and 'welcoming'.

It's even more fucked up when it happens in LGB spaces, being a lesbian with a tiny dating pool is bad enough on it's own, but having to face homophobia in your own spaces? Damn.

No. 19615

I've learned that the most prominent TRAs in my online circles are all virgins kek. I've seen radblr call TRAs virgins a lot, but never interacted with that many that closely to understand myself til recently. Plus all the recent Tumblr polls indicating the majority of users don't date or have sex. Ofc this group can easily say "hearts not parts" when they don't engage in any part touching themselves.

No. 19617

>>19615

I've thought for a while that part of the reason for the asexual explosion is because it's the only way for people to police their sexual boundaries without getting cancelled.

No. 19618

>>19617
sa. Makes sense to me. I think the same about the sex repulsed label, too–it's vague enough where you could either be actually traumatized or you're just trying to assert your boundaries in a TRA landscape

No. 19620

>>19606
>I was so scared she'd be a handmaiden who'd gaslight me about le poor troons during a crisis. If you're on here I love you, I felt so much better after that call.
If you ever talk to her or someone like her again, tell her! These people are in direct contact with troons and detransitioners, they can make a real difference but they need to know people support them and that they're right to have the confidence to speak up

No. 19622

I had a dream that I was again in my high school. I was in some classroom with people who I can't tell if they were based on my former classmates or some random people. But there was one new girl and she was introducing herself. In the classroom there was also my Math teacher (a woman) who used to be my class teacher when I was going to that school. Suddenly the new girl started saying something like she doesn't feel that she's a woman and she wants to elaborate a bit about her gender identity. Then the Math teacher joined and she started saying she knows where it's going and she has an important thing to tell us. Then the teacher started talking about how years ago she used to accept this position (trans acceptance, gender stuff to some extent etc.) but since then she had changed her mind. I was pleasantly surprised.
The thing is, the teacher from that dream about my former school was supportive of trans people and probably still is in real life. That reawakened some sad memories for me. I live in Poland AND YET I got to meet trans people as a teenager and the school from my dream allowed a TIF to socially transition. I knew her back in middle school and we went to same high school too and this is where she could go full blown publicly with her trans identity. This is fucked up, imagine living in a country where trans is a super small minority (like everywhere to be honest) and yet you got to be in school where the principal and some teachers affirm shit like that outside some friends group (who would do that because I was in one which I'm ashamed of but then I guess it was like being groomed by peers). Even though we had no pride events etc. I still find it crazy how everyone was addressing this girl by a male name. Other students, teachers. Because they (school staff) said so. I remember briefly an incident when in the beginning of our first year said Math teacher told my class something like "we got a trans student here, respect the name etc.". There wasn't really any discussion about it but I wonder what others really thought on their own. Really fucked up when I look back at it (I peaked while finishing school when the TIF wasn't around there anymore).
Now I wish something like my dream would happen - that this teacher and others would peak at some point in their life, the sooner the better. I have no contact with them anymore.
Sometimes I want to write an email to that Math teacher who tutored my class and tell her how I feel after what I went through. That this trans thing spoiled my teenage years, that I was living a lie, that I'm bitter towards the people in charge who allowed this. But I got some irrational fear that my parents will get involved, even though I'm adult since some years. I just feel angry at the people who allowed this, who harmed the trans-identifying student even if she would like it and who harmed others who were somehow brainwashed by the "authority" that the school is supposed to be. They wouldn't cherish the students taking drugs for example, would they. And yet they openly accepted something very harmful and fucked up.

No. 19624

SiriusXM radio is so ideologically captured nonnas. Yesterday they played “Smooth” by Carlos Santana on the 90s station, and afterward the DJ announced “Carlos Santana said something really bad recently. He’s supposed to be a guest DJ on the station in a few weeks but…idk, we’ll see about that.”

Being a good TERF, I knew the DJ was referencing a recent concert where Santana said “… a woman is a woman and a man is a man. That’s it… whatever you wanna do in the closet, that’s your business. I’m OK with that." What an absolute monster. (Btw Santana made a groveling apology for his comments a few days later. Which goes to show that you should never back down and apologize to trannies. In their eyes, once a sinner, always a sinner.) It’s interesting that the DJ didn’t mention exactly what Santana said, only that he said something “bad” - I wonder why that is? Maybe the DJ knows that it’s ridiculous to condemn Santana for such a milquetoast statement, but he was asked to denounce him by his supervisors?

Another time I was listening to the Tiktok radio station, and they randomly gave a shoutout to Dylan Mulvaney - the DJ was like “I just wanna tell you about this content creator - Dylan Mulvaney - she’s super relatable with her dating struggles!” I’ve never heard the Tiktok radio station just do a random promo for any other Tiktoker like that.

I wonder if there’s a tranny or an extremely devout handmaiden pulling the strings in the upper echelons of the SiriusXM boardroom?

No. 19625

>>19624
Same anon, I just googled it and SiriusXM was founded by a tranny, Martine Rothblatt. It all makes sense now.

No. 19626

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>>19624
>Which goes to show that you should never back down and apologize to trannies. In their eyes, once a sinner, always a sinner.
Yup, never apologize for stating the truth. Why would you want to appeal to and appease the insane child mutilation fetish cult anyway? I know the picrel is cringe but it's true. Being called a "transphobe" means nothing because I've seen what the troons cheer for and I AM fully against it. Their disapproval when I say "sex based rights are important" or "children can't consent to mutilation" is only more proof that I'm right.
The troons will find a new target and forget about you soon enough anyway, and all the GCs, TERFs and normal sane people will only be disappointed in you for backing down like a coward.

No. 19627

>>19626
Yeah I've seen "reformed TERFs" who apologize profusely, out cryptos they used to be friends with, call it a cult, and some even start transitioning, and they're still carrying around that scarlet letter forever. There is absolutely nothing you can ever do to appease them.

No. 19629

im an mua and a troon i worked with got posted in the ftm thread ew ew ew

No. 19630

>>19627
The funny thing about that is how many TIMs openly admit to how they used to be alt right/internet neo nazis but the cult never seems to bat an eyelid at that

No. 19632

>>15330
nonnas my friend just told me yesterday that her boyfriend thinks he might be a "sissy". They live together and she needs his money to be able to afford rent. What do?

No. 19633

>>19632
Well step 1 is to mentally prepare for the breakup with her gross pornsick boyfriend. If he "thinks" he might be one that means he's already consuming the content and have been for a while. He's not gonna stop. If she isn't aware of how bad it is, send her some sissyporn stuff from the mtf threads as examples. It's also the kind of fetish that ALWAYS escalates if indulged. It's also a kind of humiliation fetish, meaning it requires other people (be it her or done to strangers by leaving the house) to partake in it.

She should get a job (possibly behind his back) to be able to support herself, or ask her parents/family if they'd be able to help her out with housing.
Depending on the situation (like say if she only needs his money to finish studying for a year or so) she could give vague excuses and pretend to "have to think about it" or "it will take time for me to get used to" and then basically put it off for as long as possible. She should mentally to herself take it as a breakup without telling him, but while leading him on for a while longer to use his money. Naturally she shouldn't spend any money on the relationship during that time, like no buying a new fridge or game station together, no trips, save all the money she can.

No. 19634

Oh nonnás, this is not a vent so much as it is a triumph. I was emboldened by having a fellow TERF at my side so this is a call to stand by your sisters in blatant solidarity against the troon menace.

To set the stage, my friend and I are both Very Tall Women standing in line waiting patiently to buy fruity bitch beverages and snacks for a girls night, where we will undeniably disrobe and whack each other with pillows before practicing kissing.

>Jk we got white girl wasted and watched Bluey


From behind us pipes a lispy moid voice: "seriously, they go out wearing THAT and I'm the one who gets misgendered??" I sneak a peek over my shoulder, curious who this faggot is talking to, hackles already raised because I've realized the hubris in wearing a red flannel shirt to a store known for being entirely Red and have been approached by customers several times already, quit assuming my employment, shitlords.

>wispy moid with a wispy combover in a boho sundress and last season laceup sandals, revealing his hairy painted toes

>wearing the sookiest pout I have ever seen on an human being who wasn't under five years old
>arms crossed defensively across his bony chest, which has thankfully been graced with a recent wax, unlike his horror toes

The devil rose up in me, ladies. I leaned in, just enough that I could continue to look down my nose at the little bugger. "And yet, we're both effortlessly 1000x more feminine dressed down than you'll ever be, MA'AM" and snapped back around on my heel. I might've tossed my hair a little.

My friend, being a TERF Wellington, laughed in that delightfully toothsome British way thats just so DERISIVE and I heard his sandals slapping away indignantly, maybe to find another line, maybe to pick up a pink princess rope from the sporting goods section, who really cares.

One more for the Trans Genocide, I'm Doing my Part!

No. 19635

>>19634
kek this post is so british

No. 19638

"I'm a trans guy that loves to dress and act fem"

You're a girl trying to be a femboy. It's really sad that now girls do not want to refer themselves as "women".

No. 19639

>>19634
You sound vaguely southern but I'm glad there's more than one terven bong ITT, this island has been feeling extra lonely lately as a "wlw" surrounded by libfem queers. Love from the north x

No. 19641

>>19634
kek your writing is so extra

No. 19642

>>19638
>Feminine presenting "gay transboy" who spins in a dress asserting she is totally breaking gender stereotypes
>Masculine presenting "lesbian transwoman" with a full beard and male clothes insisting he's a butch tomboy lesbian
And now they're dating and calling it queer, it's the most toxic relationship you've ever seen.

No. 19643

One of my friends I've known for ten years is calling herself trans after dating a non-binary man. She's claiming to be "healing from dysphoria". She's never had any problem showing off her body and has even enjoyed public nudity. She's a survivor of multiple sexual assaults and has some form of PTSD. But since she met this guy now she can pin her problems on being trans.

Sometimes I ask myself why I'm so angry about this movement. If some people with severe mental illness need to take hormones to feel better, it's no problem to me. I'm willing to compromise on including them in public life under their label so long as they acknowledge sex and don't prevent people from organizing under the banner of female sex. But what's truly driven me out of my mind is the fact that accepting this ideology has led to almost every woman I know calling herself some flavor of trans and distancing herself from womanhood. They're no longer interested in feminism but in trans rights. And they, of course, want to spread the gospel to other "eggs." The lack of rigor and scepticism in the definition of 'gender identity', 'dysphoria', 'euphoria', makes it so anybody who wants to be trans can be, and there is no mechanism to interrogate this. Call yourself non-binary, genderfluid, a fem gay trans man, a butch lesbian trans woman. Nobody is allowed to say "you don't seem trans to me, are you sure about this?"

When gay marriage was the battle of my day, this didn't really happen. Straight people who befriended gay people didn't start claiming to be gay. Maybe a few adopted the bi label in the myspace days or on forums, but overall people were honest about their orientation and what they thought it was. Being gay was randomly distributed in the population, not something that appeared and spread in clusters. None of my gay friends asked me to consider if I was gay, because they trusted that I was aware of my own sexual experiences and had the competency to label them. Meanwhile, trans people apparently need a guide that tells them everything from "a vague sense that something is wrong in life" to "not liking your body sometimes" is a sign that you're actually trans and didn't know it. If being trans is innate and powerful like being gay, why do people need to be coached into being convinced they're trans with these vague, munchie-like descriptions?

And my remaining female-identified friends are of course, down with the cause. Sometimes, when it's just two of us, I catch signs of dissent, because everyone who's been around actual trans people IRL notices the high likelihood of bullshit and drama happening. It never leads to anything more, though. Some of them are even "experimenting with gender." I'm going to have no female friends left at this rate. And it's politically problematic. It distracts from real issues affecting their lives, like women's issues, to focus on issues that have literally nothing to do with them, like puberty blockers (none of them have kids or are kids) or bathroom laws (as "non-binary" women with no sex dysphoria, they'll use the female bathroom anyway) or JK Rowling (she's British and they're not, so she has no power over their country). It's luxury politics to the max. But I guess it's less harrowing than dealing with abortion issues.

No. 19644

>>19638
i hate gnc trans people. don’t get why they don’t understand it is impossible to be gnc while trans (as gender is ultimately based on sex)

No. 19646

>>19634
I read this in a British accent kek

No. 19650

>>19643
I feel like the whole trans movement requires more and more victims at all times. They can't just "be" trans, they have to trans everyone around them. And they'll still never be "trans enough", there's no end - just more trans. There's always another surgery, more HRT, or unlearning another internalized -ism, another memory to retcon into having been trans all along, another flag to put up, more science to deny because it doesn't fit the narrative, another terf to fight.
And it requires them to BE victims, you have to teach them to be in "fight or flight" mode at all times so they don't think and just blindly attack. There is no trans genocide but a large part of them actually believe there is. They literally train these people to commit suicide if they don't get what they want, or at the very least to threaten to do it.
And once you've finally learned all of the trans gospel - it changes again. You spend years saying gender and sex are separate only to realize that means transwomen are still the wrong sex to be in the spaces of the female sex - so now you have to instead change it to that sex isn't real anyway, but also you CAN change sex and some males are females because they say so.

Whoever started the transmovement deeply, deeply hates trans people and wanted the worst for them.

No. 19656

>>19638
They just want to sexualize themselves because they've been groomed into it, but at the same time they're (rightfully) disgusted by the idea of being objectified for being female, so they solve this cognitive dissonance by pretending to not be women in the first place. Plus they think it's so subversive to objectify a (wo)man.

No. 19658

>>18989
>men in general are smarter by 3-4 iq points because of this (i cant remember if this is due to the center of the men's bell curve being skewed right, or because men's average is overall raised by autists at the higher extreme)
Actually, from what I've read on the topic, women are slightly smarter on average than men. Also, there are more male geniuses than female, but there are also more male retards, so yes, there are more males on both extremes than women. Still, the average woman is smarter than the average man by a slight margin.

No. 19659

I cannot fuckin stand AGPs. I’m at the lesbian bar rn and full bearded ass men are in where twerking on each other. The fact that there is a lesbian bar in my town is already so rare but it attracts AGPs like flies to shit. I hate AGPs

No. 19661

I was tomboy growing up. Now as an adult I love and enjoy feminine things. But it's not that I "became more feminine" it's that instead of me glaring at dresses and makeup thinking they were vapid and beneth me, I instead started seeing those feminine things as neutral. I can wear a dress now, because it's just a dress and I like the design. It's not me "expressing femininity", it's just wearing another garment. There are other feminine things I still don't have any interest in, the fact that that's "supposed" to say something about my "gender" is just… insane. This is such a normal experience yet there's a whole movement out there that has pathologized it so girls like me get their breasts cut off as teens. And that movement has captured governments all over the world. How did we get here?

No. 19662

I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but I don't believe in "male/female socialization" the way it's typically presented in trans and GC spaces like here.
I don't think if you tell a boy to just be nice, only give him dolls to play with and to expect him to sit quietly etc that he'll just grow up more effiminate. He'll still just grow up a normal boy (who probably hates his boring parents). Same with girls who are expected to be tough, they're still just girls.
There are gc women saying some troons are ok because they had "female socialization" because they were abused into trooning out at age 5. That literally makes no differenc, he's still a boy who grew into a man.

I used see way more of it on lc which makes me hope people have outgrown this way of thinking. To me it sounds like very early peaking thoughts. Like when you're still slightly handmaideny and trying to accept a few troons you know personally, and still feeling afraid of being called a terf.

No. 19675

Explain to me how gender identity is a more useful or relevant way to categorize a species than sex. Fucking explain it to me. I receive NO meaningful information from your "gender identity", aside from a very basic assessment of your mental health, which is obvious from absolute state of your appearance anyways. For how much longer can the emperor wear no clothes? Do you really believe you can erase reality? You don't even pass in TEXT. You're beyond repugnant. For how much longer? And when it all comes tumbling down, who will be held responsible? You're erasing all the words used to describe us, but you'll find a way regardless. A man's accusatory finger will always find a woman. Always.

No. 19676

When I was a handmaiden and preached trans rights, my father acted like I was totally retarded, but the second he started using Reddit suddenly it's "trans women honestly are so marginalized they have a right to be violent against TERFs" like what the fuck. Now when I say things that are TERFy he acts all scandalized and suspicious of me, like bitch you didn't even support gay marriage until Obama did but now you wanna come after me like I'm some bigot? I'm a lesbian and he thinks lesbians have life on easy mode too, he's also pro-life and jokes white women deserve to be murdered, etc. I already knew this was a movement that caters to men who hate women, but if I wasn't already peaked this would peak me again.

No. 19679

>>19662
socialization isn't just how your parents raise you though, it's also how those around you and society as a whole treat/perceive you and those of the same sex. i agree that socialization alone isn't going to supersede biology, but it still plays an important role. tbh i don't even see how the opposite can be argued, a lot of the behaviors and insecurities associated with women are a direct consequence of how they're treated and what's expected of them. and men can definitely get worse than they naturally are if they're encouraged to behave like violent rape apes.
>There are gc women saying some troons are ok because they had "female socialization" because they were abused into trooning out at age 5.
i doubt lc would agree with this take though, i think some gc women just pity transed children because obviously they aren't at fault the way their parents or adult troons are. trooning out early just means you've experienced the genderspecial treatment longer than other troons, it doesn't mean people actually believe that you're of the opposite sex. it's like when trannies whine about how they grew up GNC so they don't have a male socialization. yes they do, the socialization of a male who was bullied at school.

No. 19681

Apparently one of my high school classmates is now a they/them TIF and another one is most likely a TIF in the making (calls herself queer and is vocally pro-trans). I hate this shit.

No. 19684

>>19679
>i doubt lc would agree with this take though
when I first started using the gc threads on lc maybe 2-3 years ago this was a take I saw commonly pushed. I don't think anons thought they were women at all but they acted like they had been neutralized since they hadn't gone through male puberty and "passed" fairly well as kids. At least I think that was the take, I wasn't ever on that side

No. 19685

>>19675
>Explain to me how gender identity is a more useful or relevant way to categorize a species than sex
You're right, there is NO fucking reason that gender (which in my opinion doesn't even exist in the way they're defining it) should be used over sex. THEY are the ones who pushed that the 2 are totally different things, so then fine have your religious view that your gender-spirit doesn't match your physical bodied sex - but the rest of us do not have to agree, validate or take part in it. The only laws and rules around gender should be under religion, and those laws already exist. Their right to be religious weighs equally to our right of not being religious.

No. 19686

>>19676
It's so scary to see people get brainwashed like that, it's why you have to start to peak people before it happens. I'm sorry that your father is homophobic nona

No. 19687

Started reading a book on autism that was recommended to me and in the first page I get

> I had an eating disorder that had ravaged my digestive system, and gender dysphoria that made me resent how other people saw me, though I didn't yet understand why.


Look it up, author is a tif. Heartbroken that “how other people saw me” got interpreted as “gender dysphoria” and not just sexism. And of course the eating disorder, almost every tif I know has or had an eating disorder.

No. 19688

If girl and woman doesn't mean females then there are no sex based rights. They don't exist at all. I'm so scared to lose all sex based rights. JKR was right all along

No. 19693

Does anyone have a list of celebs/brands who are against troons? Even just a minor statement like "puberty blockers are bad" is enough. If they apologised and took it back then fuck them, but people who have a spine and haven't backed down. It would be nice to know a few safe people whose content you can consume and support.

Maybe I should go into a trans space and ask who's transphobic so I know who to support that way kek

No. 19696

I went into a 'radical' (their words, not mine) local bookstore yesterday naively thinking I might find some cool feminist books or something. What, dear nonnas, did I actually find? A million fucking books and zines on trannies (and commie shit kek). The section labeled 'feminist' had about three different books and if I remember correctly, two were written by men. They had stickers, and one of them was about defending 'bodily autonomy' which was clarified to mean abortion AND transitioning. Because an actual lifesaving procedure is totally the same as getting big mommy milkers in a last ditch effort to stop yourself from 41%ing. Found a woman-specific bookstore in the same area, but googled it and they have a ton of IG posts pandering to troons. Women are literally allowed fucking nothing. I hate liberal cities.

No. 19700

>>19696
Go back and take photos so we can laugh at the books and zines kek

No. 19702

I guess this is more of a question then a vent. What would you say to someone who’s a TIF that’s peaking but is afraid to go through with detransition? I have a long time friend who’s so so close, has confided in me about being uncomfortable, realizing she made a mistake. She’s been a TIF for a long ass time (since middle school) and has always been really nonconforming so it was a given she ended up this way. On top of which a very anxious person. Luckily she hasn’t done much to herself so no zipper tits. She was on hormones for a while but quit like within a few months but her reasonings as to why were all cope sounding. I am not sure what to say even tho I saw it coming. She’s had other people tell her she’s wrong and that it “happens”. They are all creepy TIMs or TIFS that give me just BPDchan vibes. I don’t hide that I am a radfem but am quit about being a “ebil terf”. I am super worried for her. I am just not sure what to say.

No. 19704

>>19702
This is a case where being gentle and understanding will probably be best, pushing her too hard any way might scare her. Just let her know that she should prioritize her health and happiness and that anyone who tries to make her feel badly for trying to reconnect with her body has an agenda and isn't acting in her best interests. It sounds like she just needs to know someone is on her side and won't vilify her for detransitioning. Just let her know you're there if she wants to talk about it more, and that she can take things at her own pace. She might not have much sense of autonomy/agency if she's been constantly told who she is. Someone who gets swept up in this stuff so early likely isn't used to making their own choices without peer pressure. If she detransitions, it has to be because she wants to, not because anyone swayed her into it, or else she'll be succeptible to just going right back.

No. 19705

>>19704
That sounds like the best bet, thanks nonna. She’s my friend and always will be. Before this she was just my fellow tomboy in arms. It hurt her more then helped which I think she sees now.
I just hope she chooses to care for her and be herself over what some silly propaganda is saying. She’s had some TIMs be really creepy to her and one even molested her which I think is a big play in her current state. Her TIF friends are really mean to her which is sad to see (I assume worse in private as this is what I see publicly and the few hangs out I have been invited to/went to). She lost contact with our old friend group for them expect for me. I hope she knows we all still care… I worry for her and I don’t like being out ward about my terf stance but I want her to be safe, happy and healthy.

No. 19706

>>19705
You sound like a good friend, and honestly I think what you're doing is already the most effective thing you can do. It seems like she already sees, but is just struggling to accept, that the people she's surrounded herself with lulled her into a false sense of safety with lovebombing and constant empty validation. Once she understands they'd eat her alive for stepping out of line, even if it's for her own safety, she'll also realize who her real friends are–the ones who care about her and have cared about her all along. Lonely, insecure people get carried away with this just like any cult, and knowing they have a support system to "go home" to is the best thing you can do for her. Wishing you both the best nona.

No. 19708

>>19467
Can I be an otherkin? Like trans shit is driving me so insane I may as well dissociate and be a fucking squirrel. It feels so innocent now looking back at it

No. 19710

>>19702
Let her know you'll still be her friend no matter what she chooses. Maybe suggest she watches detransition content/interviews to see if she can relate, pretty much all detransitioners are peaked and end up talking about how they were just tomboys, or gay, or groomed etc so it will rub off on her further while there's also the comfort of knowing she's not alone. If you've got the time you can scout out one you think applies to her specifically (female tomboy close to her age) but act like you just stumbled upon it. I know Benjamin Boyce has a ton of interviews with detransitioners on youtube.

No. 19711

>>19708
I'm terf-gender, TRAs must respect my gener identity or they are transphobic bigots. Come with me squirrel-chan and let us kick some nuts out of female only spaces

No. 19718

i just saw a woman on tik tok say the phrase “misogyny affected people.” are you fucking serious??? misogyny is literally, by definition, prejudice against women. WOMEN. not “people.” not trans women. i’m so fucking mad

but in better news, one of my internet friends (who’s a lesbian) posted a tweet asking why it’s not okay for lesbians to have genital preferences. she of course had to sugarcoat her completely acceptable question to make sure nobody was offended by it, but i messaged her and essentially said that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. i told her that the only people who say it’s unacceptable are terminally online idiots. we chatted back and forth for a bit and i guess she had seen a reddit post where someone was pissed off about the “transphobia” in that new movie, bottoms.

idk if y’all have seen it yet but i thought it was fucking great. i especially loved that they didn’t pander to trans people at ALL. like, they didn’t mention transgenderism a single time. i haven’t seen the post but i’m pretty sure the scene this reddit post was referencing was when the two main characters are talking about a girl one of them has a crush on. they’re joking about how that girl has a boyfriend, with a penis, and how much she must love his penis. something like that. it was supposed to be a funny bit where two friends poke fun at one another for being interested in straight women, but of course the trannies are up in arms about it because “some women HAVE penises!!1!” i cannot tell you ladies how amazing it was to not see a single hulking scrote dressed in women’s clothing on that screen.

side note: there’s an extremely fucking attractive androgynous women in one of the leading roles, and they didn’t they/them her. she was still a woman nonnas!! it was so fucking beautiful and refreshing!

No. 19719

I was looking at the About section of a feminist library in my city any came across the following sentence:

>Any ‘women only’ events organised at the Library must be inclusive of all self-identifying women, and we ask groups to make this clear when promoting events. No group is permitted to organise events contrary to this at the Library.


I wish things weren't like this

No. 19720

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>Steve Harwell (Smash Mouth) died yesterday
>Most TRAs: Only remembering for this.

No. 19721

Nonas I'm boiling right now thinking about how I ended my friendship with a nonbinary troon over him thinking male troon rapists belong in women's jail because they're soooo vulnerable to violence from men. He'd go insane lengths to argue why his shitty gross stance is the morally correct one because if a troon says he's a woman, he just magically is and real women are bigots and evil terfs for thinking otherwise.
My friend confided in me yesterday about having been raped in the past, and it reminded me of all the disgusting takes that guy said all over again. He'd defend this rapist too, if he just put on a skirt and lipstick. It makes me so fucking mad to think about it. Sometimes I even worry ending the friendship over one statement was too drastic of me but then I remember all those things he said and the real life consequences his ideology is having on women, and him really not giving a shit about real women.

No. 19723

I met a cool lesbian through radfem/ rad aligned spaces that all things considered is kind to me and a wonderful friend. She's however a TIRF and Anarchist and I can't stand that side of her own politics and how she capes for Troons and gay men still more then I do. sighI wanna meet a girl with similar niche interests who doesn't fucking do that!

No. 19727

>>19723
Would you be able to peak her? Like can you at least start to get her to think that while troons are tooootally valid, they of course have to have the perfect-magic-neovagina-surgery because you can't force lesbians to like dicks. Saying lesbians like dick is homophobic and if she's truly a lesbian and not a larping bi she should get that.

One idea is taking a deranged obviously fetishistic male no effort agp transbian screenshot and saying someone is mad at you for saying you can't be attracted to that person as a lesbian. Really mention how the homophobia is negatively affecting you. If you can get her to think AGPs are using trans people to hide their fetish that's a step in the right direction. You want her to start thinking "some" troons are bad and just fake trans. That gives her an in to hate and see flaws in some trans people, because they're not trans at all - just fakers who are actually harming real trans people! Eventually if she keeps following that path she'll see it's all of them.

No. 19728

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Thinking about that time someone on a group chat I was on was talking about having cysts form in their mouth on their 'period'. Later found out that that person was mtf transgender. I don't know why but that made me angry. They seem like an okay person otherwise, that just made me uncomfortable.

No. 19733

>>19727
She capes for Homosexual troons ( of the gay and lesbian variety) and was herself a TIF and still ids irl as a he/ him lesbian. She already doesn't think straight troons are "valid" but praises homo ones for muh gender abolition ( even if there gender non conforming for bull shit sexist reasons).

No. 19736

I work at a university and today we had an “introduce yourself” meeting for employees and nobody stated their pronouns, even the employees who’ve given pronouns unprompted at previous meetings. Maybe nature is finally starting to heal.

Inshallah maybe by this time next year people will start taking the pronouns out of their Zoom screen names and email signatures.

No. 19742

>>19736
We love to hear it! I find it so fucking silly in meetings or videos where everyone states their pronouns or they all have a tag with it visible on screen and they're all obviously just normal people with normal pronouns. And the few times there's a gendie there… you could already tell from looking at them because somehow "being my true self" looks identical to all other "true selves" in the cult.
>even the employees who’ve given pronouns unprompted at previous meetings.
I love to do the "wrong" thing and not follow up with my own pronouns when they do that. If they call me out and tell me to state my pronouns I'll word it in an obnoxious way like "just normal female ones". I do have the benefit of being ESL though kek

For nonas who have been forced to have pronouns in your bio/signature at work, have you tried just silently taking them off after a while to see if anyone reacts? After a few weeks if you have normie coworkers (often older males will think pronouns are stupid) you could casually mention it to them and that no one reacted and hopefully they'll do the same.
I think the way I'd go about it is asking something like "hey remember pronouns in bio they made us do? Do you think those are actually important?" and if they say anything that can be seen as sceptical you can go ahead and tell them "I accidentally removed mine a month ago and forgot about it and nothing happened, so I think it's fine without them". If they instead went "yesss omg they're so important transwymon r wwmon!!1!" then just drop it and find someone else kek

No. 19746

>>19720
I only knew him for Smash Mouth and the most popular songs but now that's depressing. Shit.

No. 19748

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Oh no, the "men are afraid that gay men treat them like women" returned badly.

No. 19750

I’m going to a niche meet up for an animu rhythm game tomorrow and it’s mostly chronically online zoomer based. Dumb but I feel like the anxiety of being asked for my pronouns trumps a bit of my excitement kek. I don’t know anyone and I’m going all alone but also I got no hopes of making friends or anything because I’m an evil female supporter (gasp) and I don’t think a horse or a rooster can experience the same things as a mare or a hen (oh no) so that’s pretty defeating. I hope I can still have fun even if it’s me by myself pretending I fit in.

No. 19756

>>19748
Well females are afraid that the trans males (who directly invade and try to take down female only spaces while knowing they're male) will treat them the way other shitty space invading males always do or worse.

And the "cis" males are afraid the trans males will hurt their daughters, gfs, wives and mothers with their gross fetish, or indeed to try to rape or force them to perform sexual acts they don't want to do. I don't see what's so confusing about it.

And that's not even touching on how infuriating it is to either sex that trans people deny reality and are anti-science which is literally harming ALL of society.

Funny though… why is it the "cis het" men they are confused over being "threatened"? Is it because they know men can easily overpower a weak tif despite all the hormones in the world, meaning "cis men" in particular have nothing to fear from tifs? That a "cis man" is at least on the same level as a tim so he has no reason to ever feel threathened by either variety of troon? Hmmm.

No. 19757

>>19750
good luck nona, play a dumb normie who doesn't know about pronouns if you can

No. 19758

I'm just putting my gender ideology predictions here because I'm 99% sure it's gonna happen in the next few years or so. As troons become more and more public with their depravity and people see more and more bullshit they can't ignore, I'm fairly certain we're going to see an increase in 'true trans' people. It's just an ideological self defense mechanism. Like cutting off an infected arm, but the rest of the body is infected too, just not as obvious. They'll tell us that all the crazy weirdo trannies on social media aren't really trans, but still be told that we can trust most trans people because they're the ones who are "really trans". Basically, the only troons that are allowed publicity are going to be the ones who are better at hiding their degeneracy, like Blaire White or whatever. Gender ideology won't be any less toxic, of course, it'll just keep it mostly behind closed doors and try to appeal to the public now that the mess has been swept under the rug. I'm probably gonna feel compelled to believe them, but at this point I think I'm wise to this manipulation tactic. I'm very weak because of my empathy but even I can only be fooled so many times. It's still gonna be tough not to crack when someone is so good at pretending to be in a state of immense distress, but I now know just how good narcissists are at faking emotions and entire backstories. It's fucking chilling how well they can adapt and effortlessly fake such strong emotions all to manipulate other human being by exploiting one of their most fundamental traits. We're pack animals and we evolved to have empathy in order to survive and there's an entire group of people out there that can hand craft personas and backstories purely to manipulate that. I'm not gonna buy their bullshit anymore though.

No. 19759

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I know Musko isn't the best person but he does have a very big reach and a lot of influence so him tweeting against the gender cult makes me hopeful. I feel like techbros who follow him are a group of people who unless they're wearing programmer socks has been unaware about the trans ideology because they don't normally listen/care about women and children. So if he can get them riled up over it that's a step in the right direction

No. 19767

went to a shopping center for some stuff. there was a cafe with one table a mtf and ftm troon sitting. it looked like they stared at me walking past then even looked at me taking an escalator down. it just disturbed me to even think the mtf fat ugly ass classic troon would look at me or another woman and think "I wanna be her!" I feel schizo saying they were looking at me but it was way too coincidental seeing them looking one angle then again.

No. 19768

watching a streamer play a game in the customization part of it, and a viewer coming in like "make it white, pink and blue! transify that shit!!" like shut the fuck up with your gross child mutilation cult. the streamer was about to do it too, but the game fucking crashed lmao it didn't want that trans shit in it kek

literally no one else in chat was saying anything about the trans shit but this one person, so i'm hoping it means they weren't on board but they all know they can't say anything without getting banned for twansphobia. normally everyone would do some mandatory "omg yasss trans ppl are so valid" so to see total silence from everyone else was refreshing

No. 19769

>>19768
I can't even understand why they picked pink (a color it used to be a "manly" color), white and baby blue (a "feminine" color). Would it be because it used to be x color until society made them the opposite? (blue = boys, pink = girls)?

No. 19770

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I don't play games much these days but I was kind of interested in Starfield until I learned how it panders to gender ideology. There's no mention of male or female anywhere in the character creation screen. You get a choice between two "body types" and "walk styles" which are just labeled 1 and 2, and at the end you pick your pronouns (and of course they/them is an option). It's retarded because they're still acknowledging there's only two sexes but I guess using the words male and female would hurt tranny feelings. And men and women walk differently because their bodies are different, so it makes no sense to mix a male body with a female gait. Anyway, this isn't that important, I just won't play the game, but it creeps me out to see these ideas being shoved even into escapist entertainment. Apparently Baldur's Gate 3 pulls similar shit. Any nonnas interested in these games, please pirate them.

No. 19773

>>19769
Yeah the trans flag is because "baby pink is for (trans) girls" and "baby blue is for (trans) boys". It's funny how even the flag reinforces rigid gender stereotypes, almost everything they do is so regressive while they claim to be progressive.

No. 19774

>>19770
I so badly want game developers to stop pretending this is helping anyone. Erasing female bodies from video games after we just got them is so insane. Sure you CAN have it…. but don't you dare call it "female" or associate it with cis women you terf!
But it is funny that almost all of the games doing it does a "option 1 or 2" sooo literally still a binary choice, based on the two sexes. I would like to think it means some or most people involved don't give a shit about trans people and just pander because it's in fashion right now. It's not often they have a real "trans body" that's like a puberty blocked eunuch with their typical longer limbs and fat torso, or a short curvy broad hipped woman with a mutilated chest with the typical "dog ears".

Even if you were trans, you'd usually want to play as the opposite sex. You don't want to play as an effiminate-walking-style male with a huge square jaw and bad wig hulking over the female npcs. Enbies literally mutilate their own bodies permanently for a disordered fashion statement, I don't see why anyone would want to pander to them in the first place. It's like all of it is just a big ad for plastic surgery.

No. 19775

>>19774
> I would like to think it means some or most people involved don't give a shit about trans people and just pander because it's in fashion right now.
Wouldn't surprise me if game developers decides to stop listening to troons' twitter freakouts now that they saw how little it affected Hogwarts Legacy's sales, despite the massive smear campaign and autistic spoiler spreading.

No. 19777

I wish so badly I could go back in time and stop myself from every becoming exposed to tranny ideology as a young teen on tumblr. It fucked so badly with my sense of self and I feel like I’ve had a decade of my life stolen from me. There were so many times I disagreed with it but stayed quiet or was basically bullied into ignoring my beliefs about sex being immutable and mattering and I feel like it made me weak and unstable. I really had to rely so heavily on cognitive dissonance to function in those spaces but I thought that’s where I belonged because that’s where all my weirdo nerdy female friends were who made me feel loved. It’s just so crazy to think back on that crap and how much it took from me, but especially in terms of time I could have been using to actually build a stable identity and sense of self, and reconciling the trauma I’ve experienced as a female and genuinely healing it. Even when I thought about detransitioning multiple times, each time I would feel so scared of excommunication or that I’d be “betraying the trans community” or labeled a transphobe and the fact that I was wrong about myself for so many years that I would just dig my feet in deeper. I’m so happy that I’ve woken up and see this shit for what it really is, but I have so much regret for the time I’ve lost. I’m so thankful for the brave destransitioners who showed me it was possible to come back to myself and disagree with the madness.

No. 19779

>>19775
Hogwarts legacy was such a godsend, thank you JKR for all the work you do proving how insane these people are. I'm so happy HL did incredibly well and was liked by everyone, and I'm thrilled they're making a new potter series based on the books as well.

>>19777
I feel you on that, my (admittedly very tame compared to others) handmaiden days back on tumblr are so embarrassing to look back at. Even when I thought "I don't really agree with all of this" I'd reblog things to not stand out and to be a "good ally". I wish I hadn't helped spread it at all, even though my own blog was super tiny and non that popular. But what is done is done, and if I hadn't been on tumblr and seen it all first hand I might have been even MORE susceptible to buying trans ideology as part of LGBT rights. I wouldn't have seen it go from "we're just born in the wrong body" to "we're biological men despite being female because sex isn't even binary" etc… I think slowly seeing vulnerable autists and lesbians troon out one after another in real time helped me peak. Without having been part of it I wouldn't understand the issues as well as I do today, or perhaps not have as much compassion for detransitioners who I now find amazingly strong for essentially making it out of a terrible self-harming cult.

No. 19784

Nonnas, today my Nigel tried to pull a 'not all trans' card on me during a discussion about sick fucks on the internet even though he is well aware of my terven feelings. I had to ease it down with saying, yes, of course not all trans, but the ones crowing and crying loudly about MUH TRANS RIGHTS and MUH TRANS KIDS are all rotten to the core. So, you know, all of the ones that the internet produced since the mid aughts.

I am worried his online friends are influencing him, what a damn shame if that is the case.

No. 19787

>>19784
Peak him more nona. Show him the drag queen pedos, the AGPs masturbating in women's restrooms, troons winning in female sports etc

No. 19793

Made some friends at a con and now I see one of their closest friend has “if you’re a terf I genuinely want you to kill yourself” on her profile and I know it’s just words on a screen but the association with irl really just makes me feel like shit.

No. 19795

I hate tims so much. They're so fundamentally removed from womanhood that their delusion is laughable. If they really were somehow women born into the bodies of males they would shut the fuck up and thank their lucky stars they got to be male, maybe send some money to a women's shelter. They've been given the privilege of being male, of not having to fear being preyed upon, and in the case of AGPs/transbians they are lucky enough to be straight too. I would fucking kill to have all that privilege and power. They have no idea what it's like to be a woman and they never will. I won't even say they had the audacity to discard their manhood because they never fucking did to begin with. They keep their manhood, both literally and figuratively. They flaunt it and use it as a cudgel to punish the women who they deem 'out of line'. I fucking hate troons so much nonnas. I have to see their hideous hulking frames when I'm out and they've infiltrated my social circle and I just keep my mouth shut. These freaks are the farthest thing from women possible. I hate that they have so much privilege and power but have the sheer nerve to pretend to be oppressed while they are actively oppressing real women, especially lesbians. I still reserve a little pity for the HSTS, especially the ones who were bullied or groomed into trooning out as kids. They're not women, they're abused boys. I still feel a little sympathy for them in the sense that I get what it's like to be jealous of straight people. But I can never, ever see them as women. Also, they do still show general moid behavior, unsurprisingly.

No. 19797

>>19793
If I made friends at a con and I discovered that they hated "TERFs" or any person that knows men can't be women, I would cut them off. I don't know what your next move is gonna be, but I get very particular when I choose my friends. I'd rather be alone than make friends with a tranny or a supporter of trannies.

No. 19800

>a chat talking how mental health and its illness have been destroyed by Internet
>biting the tongue to mention about gender shit and how suddenly everybody and their mom are trans.

Each time

No. 19804

>>19795
>If they really were somehow women born into the bodies of males
If they were somehow a subcategory of women who were literally in every single possible way indistinguishable from men (like they claim), they'd still be the exact same threat to women, children and other men that normal men are. But that could only happen if sex wasn't real, so that's why they claim sex isn't real, not binary, a social construct etc
They pretend we can't ever know what person can impregnate and what person can get pregnant, that it's a magic lottery and either could happen to anyone. It just doesn't add up.

No. 19805

>>19797
Understandable; the ideology isn’t really escapable and even my family has bought into it, I’ve been mostly alone for around 10 years strictly befriending people who are ignorant about the issue but have not much in common with me, and my mental health has suffered terribly because of it. I need to learn how to live within society and suck it up because I’m really craving that human contact and feeling of belonging.
I feel like the prisoners who are willing to feel like shit around cruel inmates just to not be in solitary confinement. I wish I could be like some of you nonnies in this thread who can have gendie friends and everything, be critical of it, but not let the anxiety of it consume them. Or like you who would be okay with being alone. Both interacting with them and being alone are dogshit options honestly, but at least at cons I can have a little bit of fun. I don’t know.

No. 19806

>>19805
This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona. Make a game out of it and then you can come and went/report to us here on lc so you can regain some sanity. Change any details you're worried about so they won't know it's you if they against all odds find the posts.

Use light peaking methods if you see the opportunity, like if they question any trans thing in the slightest and go with it to encourage them to keep questioning it. Some tifs are critical of tims, or have trutrans views that can be built on.
Ask normie straight family members/friends if they'd REALLY date a same sex person who hasn't even transitioned, inform them if they say no that trans people think they're a transphobic bigot but that it's wrong of them.

Also I think asking people who know trans people "would you still support X if he/she/xe detransitioned?" is helpful to make them think that it's a possibility. Make up a recent detrans acquaintance if needed as a reason for you asking, say all their TRA friends left them even though they're the same person (because that's always what happens).

No. 19810

>>19806
Not silly at all! Thanks nona, I think these are actually pretty doable. One time people brought up the popularity of this trans headcanon for certain effeminate male character, and I was able to say I didn't share it because it seemed like sexist stereotypes (the character sews and likes dolls), with people around me agreeing. I hope one day they fully make the connection. Thank you anon!

No. 19817

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>>19806
>This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona
Make your own secret terf spy sona everyone kek

https://picrew.me/ja/image_maker/185483/

Mine is a young fashionista woman who acts sweet to troons faces but she secretly despises them. She'll give them backhanded compliments and make comments that make them cry of dysphoria in the guise of being an uninformed but well-meaning ditzy normie, but she's actually well informed about all troon issues and has a secret terf chat where she roasts troons on the daily with her friends. She dyed her hair an unnatural purple/blue color to seem more innocent to troons and always encourages tims too go further in their transition just so she and her friends can laugh at how ugly and stupid they are. They see it as a favor to all women when they get troons to sterilize themselves and thus taking out their degenerate genes from the market.

No. 19824

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>>19817
weeb furry woman who plays dumb when people bring up genders

No. 19826

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>>19817
When talking with troons or TRAs, I like to pretend I'm even more autistic than I actually am, and therefore have an excuse for saying their rhetoric makes no sense.

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>>19817
>>19824
>>19826
I love these kek

My terf-sona is a pink haried high school girl professional gamer and streamer who is openly transphobic. Everyone loves her because she's cute and feminine so she gets away with it. Her fanbase will shut down any attempt at cancelling her in a matter of seconds.

>>19826
>When talking with troons or TRAs, I like to pretend I'm even more autistic than I actually am, and therefore have an excuse for saying their rhetoric makes no sense.
lmao I've done this a number of times too, they get really pissy about it because so many of them are autists too so they hate it when you use it against them. "Sorry but my autism makes me only believe in science and logic" makes them seethe as they try to stammer out that troonism is totally based on science (easily disproved) and logic (lmao bitch where) and not just a religious faith based ideology (which they can't because it is)

No. 19829

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>>19817
This was fun.
My TERF-sona became a doctor because she wanted to improve women's experiences with healthcare, make people's lives easier and because she found the job fascinating, albeit challenging. She's secretly a TERF because she doesn't want to lose her job so she's respectful towards them, but still finds subtle ways to annoy them because "you shouldn't hide your biological sex from doctors, it might cost your life". She and her colleagues earn a ton of money by selling hormones to troons and while she thinks some of the surgery results are horrifying, she is interested to see how far the whole thing will continue and how it will potentially improve science

>>19758
It seems plausible the trutrans crowd will increase.
>There are plenty of detrans people who are no longer having dysphoria even though they legit felt it before. And the fact that trans care supposedly helps trans people by lessening/removing it too is proof that even TRA admit dysphoria is a thing that CAN go away and be managed.
To me gender dysphoria seems like the nocebo effect. If you want to learn more about it, I suggest watching Helen Pilcher's speech, it's on YouTube. Or you can search it online. Basically a person is conditioned to expect a negative response from an experience. I saw cases of people saying "my dysphoria became worse since I realized I am trans" or some of them showing no signs of dysphoria until they learned about the concept, very bizarre. Gender dysphoria, as a concept, is hard to pinpoint because like any emotion is just a negative response to certain stimuli and these people attribute it to gender. While it could be literally anything that causes this response. Are you sure it's not just bias?

No. 19830

>>19829

This happened to me. Reading TIF stories made me feel disgusted about my body because they shared similar backgrounds to me, but rejected their female bodies. There were a bunch who were your usual tomboys, gamers as kids, and then they were talking about how much they hated their hips and thighs and body shape. Over time my 'ideal' body changed from a more 'feminine' one to a more 'androgynous' one because of the way TIFs spoke about their bodies with such disgust. I stopped reading anything TIFs wrote and my dysphoria went away. It's fascinating, I think trans people can function as subcultures with their own particular beauty standards, so if you hang around TIFs too long, you end up adopting their beauty standard (androgynous, thin, lank) instead of the mainstream culture's.

Unfortunately because most scientists seem to take gender dysphoria at a surface level, I don't think we're going to get any research on it that isn't just affirming the existing narrative. There's not going to be research on people like me who developed dysphoria very quickly because of constant exposure to TIFs and then had it go away once I realized what was happening and stopped reading that content.

Does anyone else get the impression that a lot of the scientists that research transgender issues don't even know any trans-identified people? So none of their studies investigate anything interesting you'd observe from watching TIPs. What is actually happening to TIMs when they claim they get periods? What changes would TIPs report if they were given placebos instead of hormones? Does sexual orientation actually change with hormones (testing with blood flow, not self-report)? Instead we get the zillionth underpowered study on 12 kids (4 of who dropped out) who report that puberty blockers made them 1 point happier (out of 100).

No. 19838

>>19830
>There's not going to be research on people like me who developed dysphoria very quickly because of constant exposure to TIFs and then had it go away once I realized what was happening and stopped reading that content.
That's ROGD via social contagion, it's one of the few things that actually has been studied and is talked about a lot by gender critical professionals. So there's hope!

>Does anyone else get the impression that a lot of the scientists that research transgender issues don't even know any trans-identified people?

Oh absolutely. They don't know shit about trans people other than surface level and the sweet facade they've been force fed. It's often very clear. Like for example, go into ANY male trans space and euphroia boners and AGPs are everywhere. Troons literally saying "I only feel like a girl when cooming, and then afterwards I'm a boy again until I'm horny again, am I still a valid transwoman and not just a fetishist?" and then fifty other troons agreeing that it's totally normal and valid and they all feel that. And then researchers still say "it's not about sex nor a fetish and no one is turned on by being trans, that's bigoted propaganda" like bro just listen to them for 5 seconds-

But on the other hand, I remember seeing trans people shut down studies on trans people… from about 7 years ago! They've been actively shutting down science and studies because they've always known it would be harmful to them for people to actually know what's going on. The fetishists have always known it's a fetish and don't want it exposed. So there HAS been plenty of interest in studying it, but they get shut down… by trans people. But it's still very much possible those studies do exist and are just unpublished, people waiting for the second the tides have turned enough that they can publish it without losing their jobs.

No. 19839

>>19838
Trans people talking poorly about people who have historically studied and supported trans people, like Zucker and Blanchard, just because they don't go full affirmation, is one of the craziest things about the movement. These older studies are so useful for the reason that they were made before 'gender identity affirmation' became the liberal political prerogative, so they reveal a lot of interesting things.

I do think the truth will win eventually because you can only ignore the consequences of reality for so long. There are already a fair amount of studies on TIMs in sports showing that they retain advantages over women, even if they can't be competitive with men anymore. Even this (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202200173) paper, which is pro-gender identity, is asking people to realize that sex is binary, not a spectrum, and to stop spreading this misinformation. You can take this to anybody and they cannot call it a dogwhistle because they're bending over backwards and affirming gender identity, just saying it has nothing to do with sex being binary.

I don't believe in 'mass peaking' or 'the tides are turning'. I think it will be a few people at a time chipping away at this, some news about detransitioners, some papers coming out like the above, and this will slowly change people's minds. The fact that radfems have not shifted goalposts, that many radfems know trans people in real life or even used to identify as trans, and that they continue talking to people despite the attempt to make 'biological sex' into a poisonous untouchable term will have an impact. The more normies become aware of and agree with these talking points, the more the activists will have to either change their language and backtrack, or go full crazy and lose normie support. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

No. 19841

If Argentinian anon is still around here please check your email! I’m a dummie & took me until now to reply but I’d love to chat!

No. 19843

weird synchronicity with the TiM thread today. went into my first class at uni today and we were immediately sorted into groups, one of the people in mine was a TiM who told me i was "clocky" with the tone of a gay male giving a backhanded compliment. i told him i couldn't be clocky because there was nothing to clock and he and a handmaiden sat out of the group work for the rest of class. this isn't the first time i've heard a TiM say this to me, is it a 4chan thing or something? i'm very obviously an actual woman so is it some form of negging?

No. 19844

>>19843
he probably thought he was complimenting you by calling you a troon, expecting you to be like "omg i luv transwomen thank you so much"
that or he's trying to insult you because you're a woman and he'll never be one so he's jealous

No. 19853

I hate it when otherwise gender critical women think passing troons should use the bathroom they "pass" for. Like have you seen the gigahons who confidently claim they pass? And the curvy aidens? They're quite literally delusional about how they look and what they are, that's why they're trans.

And for their own sake, it's cruel to force trans people to hyperfocus even more on their appearance as the opposite sex when that's literally at the core of their mental illness. Teen girls will feel like they HAVE to get a mastectomy to pass because only then are they allowed in the male bathrooms. It just becomes a prize and a goal.

And it's not fair that males being made uncomfortable or violent over an mtf in their bathroom is therefore used as an excuse to make him go to the women's bathroom. That's just males not being able to handle other males looking different. If the males were homophobes and a gay man came in and it made them uncomfortable and violent, should the gay men then go into the female restroom instead? What about disabled men? Why is it up to women to solve and protect a purely male problem?

No. 19854

>>19853
samefag, but if they're genuinely so mentally ill they can't handle "just peeing" in their proper sexed space, then they should find and use the (typically gender neutral) disabled toilets since they're disabled by their mental condition which qualifies to use them

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Guaranteed that the same sign on the mens toilets is not present

No. 19862

>>19806
>This gonna sound silly but pretend you're a secret spy nona
Time to do my terf spy duty and report my troony findings kek
So I'm in a mod group of ofter overlapping fandoms, a few mods from each one, it was created to make sure mods could keep tabs on problematic people crossing over the groups.
Now the funny thing is through joining this group I've discovered some of these mods are incredbly whiny and immature. It's to the point I don't think they should even be mods because they go in assuming every interaction is a micro-aggression and end up causing more drama. These people clearly have their own mental issues. And of course the main whiny people in there cape for troons above all else. Some of them are nonbinary themselves.

It's both bitter to watch them be anti-women and kids pawns, but also hilarious to watch them act like whiny babies over non-issues. I also enjoy the fact that while they threathen terfs there's one right in front of them just silently making fun of them and they have no idea I'm even there kek (I also suspect at least one other mod is a terf, but I haven't dared ask her lol).

Today's encounter has one of the whiniest most pro-troon mods in there crying about someone saying Richard Ayoade is a great comedian (since he's just been labeled a terf). This mod guy is clearly so pressed on it and is reeing over that other person "spreading HATE" in a server. All RA did was review a book, my dude you're losing sleep over a book review from the other side of the world. All because that guy MAYBE stands up for women's rights and doesn't think men should go into women's spaces…? Jesus your life is pathetic lmao

No. 19894

Absolute win nonas! My sister who I haven't seen in a while came to visit and it turns out she's a full on terf, we ended up spending hours talking about the harms of trans ideology. I can't stress enough how nice it is to be able to freely and openly talk about it all to a person who fully gets it

No. 19899

>>19894
This is amazing anon! I feel so lucky, my sister is also the terfiest. It honestly feels so good, a breath of fresh air.

No. 19905

i'm so glad i have found this space. my only friends are online from a fandom we all joined pretty young and like 99% are fully on board with the gender craze, if they aren't some flavor of nonbinary they're fully supportive allies. i love them and their presence and i enjoy talking to them as they're the only social interactions i get apart from my family, but man it's impossible not to roll my eyes when they start to sperg about shit like "x is a trans icon!!" or "neopronouns are so valid uwu". i always had my doubts about what being trans truly meant, i quickly outgrew the belief of nb identities at like age 13 and thought that only dysphorics were the real trans (if you don't hate your body why transition and potentially ruin your quality of life?). of course i have to keep quiet because i don't want social death, but i'd love to know if at least one of my friends share some of my thoughts. i can't be the only one.

i'm rather young and i hate that this virus has started to poison the minds of even younger, more vulnerable girls and boys. i hate subreddits like traaa that make it obvious it's just a fetish and/or a trend and basically advertising it to naive teens. i hate websites like pronouny that put so much weight in mere words, because if someone calls you a dude even though you aren't one you must CRY AND COLLAPSE. i hate boys thinking that if you're nerdy and quiet and like pink it means you're actually a trans catgirl! or if you're an alt girl with uncommon interests that means you're not really a woman, you're some demiboy genderflux clowncore otherkin world salad. i hate people making their super speshul gender their whole identity and reason of being, and thinking they suffer more than actual marginalized minorities. the other day i saw someone on twitter saying that terfs stole the genderwhatever flag colors (purple white green), but they had "14 year old" in their bio and that made me feel relieved for a second, only to be worried again… fourteen year olds shouldn't be saying this shit and adults shouldn't be encouraging that either.

what made me completely peak was looking at an ex friend who became nb because longer hair makes you not a man apparently. since then he made his whole personality hating terfs, being trans and opposing transphobia. outside of that, he's pretty privileged! he comes from a well-off family, he's a straight tall white man, literally checking all the boxes. he was one of the few friends that was from my country, which has a pretty bad wealth gap, and seeing him thinking he has it so bad because some english terf says biological sex matters while i'm a working class woman with lesser opportunities by default is so rage inducing… once again, the privilege! he's so happy to shut down gc women and tell them to not make things about themselves, for him they're the worst evil on earth since it's the only thing he'll get "discriminated" on.

to end this block of text, i am a pretty girly girl but i have some male-dominated interests. i am happy to be a girl, liking certain things don't make me less of a girl, and it's pretty disheartening to see how other girls adjacent to my friend group are rejecting the label for really superficial reasons, when we are already so sparse. there's like three of us left, counting myself, because the rest thinks they're all a xe/xem nonbinary. like yasss girl, this is your true self girl, even if you didn't interact with certain people online you would still feel this way! nope, it's not a phase mom!

No. 19907

>>19905
>of course i have to keep quiet because i don't want social death, but i'd love to know if at least one of my friends share some of my thoughts. i can't be the only one.
This was me until a few years ago. I was very young and I'd just come out of an abusive religious environment, I accepted my friend group's beliefs at face value because I didn't want to be anything like my homophobic family and because I desperately needed their support. I had literally no one else after I came out, they were my only friends and it felt like they were the only ones would accept me or even care about me. In hindsight I feel like they weren't any different than a predatory church scooping up a 60 y/o alcoholic. I learned really fast that I had to just stay quiet and listen and repeat back anything they said because all of my organic takes on feminism were, surprise surprise, trans exclusionary because my upbringing was extremely misogynistic and I recognized that it was because of me being materially female. And after so long of the fire and brimstone routine, it was reeeaaal easy to accept and repeat the "small" stipulation that "lesbians need to at least give transwomen a shot and date them and not all transwomen even have a penis so it's okay really and no one's gonna force you to date them anyway". After all I'd already accepted once that I was evil and a sinner and destined for hell. Sure, I could be a genital fetishist. I'm disgusted at myself looking back but I can see at the same time how easy it was to manipulate me and I hate them for it. I've posted before how disheartening to realize exactly how much homophobia I was dealing with without realizing it. I was already hurting and it feels like they took advantage of me.

No. 19909

>>19905
Vent as much as you want here! I'm also so glad lc exists, all of my online friends would cancel me and never speak to me again if I said anything super mildly against trans people. Heck one guy blocked me for saying "hogwarts legacy looks fun, can't wait to play it". That simple line made him think I'm an evil bigot.

Since you're young you could try the "no social reward" method on your friends if you want to peak them. Basically try to never reply to any trans stuff they say, and instead just immediately change the topic. You want to cut off the social reward they get from talking about trans stuff by never reacting to it. They're all in this phase to fit in, if you start making them feel like they don't fit in they'll eventually try to adjust and change. Basically ignore all trans stuff, and whenever they talk about anything else you reward them with fun conversations and compliments. You should point out things like "it's so nice to talk to you about (chosen non-trans topic, like movies or games or whatever) your takes on it are so fun and interesting".
So when they say something like "reee trans people are so oppressed right???" You just say something like "I saw this fun movie from my childhood the other day, it's about X…". At MOST you start with "Right. Anyway I saw this movie…"
Like they get a 1 word reply agreeing so they can't be mad at you for disagreeing.

And if needed also casually give little excuses like "idk i just don't like talking about depressing political things and hearing about people getting oppressed
is bad for my mental health rn".

If/when you have to reply to the trans stuff you keep it as short and boring as possible, and you don't say what they "expect" you to say. Like never use the common phrases like "transwo/men are wo/men" or talk about things being "affirming" or call things "cis". If you're asked for pronouns you don't say "she/her", you say something like "oh just like normal female ones thanks" so you're technically answering them, but not using the cult words they want. It makes them confused kek

No. 19910

blogposting, i'm worried about posting too much info in case i get sniffed out by a lurker but oh my god i cant take genderspecial bullshit anymore. im studying in a foreign country rn and there's a she/they lesbian TIF in our dorm who i was under the impression was reasonably chill until i found out she's a vehemently anti-terf gendie and dating a greasy TIM that she gushes about all the damn time. she's been inducted into this little clique of people that have been stirring drama and defending this autistic moid that's done some grody-ass shit towards some women in the dorm while declaring others every damn -ism under the sun in order to get people to avoid them. this one moid in particular has been getting called transphobic for some random reason (probably harry potter-related, he's a giga-normie who believes in separating art from the artist which they dont like). i would be more understanding if this was like, a terminally online younger zoomer engaging in all this shit and tolerating it, but this TIF is approaching thirty and being besties with a raging misogynist who has forced himself on women and twisted the truth to make her look like the bad guy. i can't tell who hates women more at this point, gendies or moids

No. 19916

>>19910
Just distance yourself from them nona. Maybe make friends with the terf-guy and the women the tim did shit to and let them know you're on their side and don't buy the lies.
That group of people are shit and start pointless stupid drama, they'll drain your mental health and energy in no time. Doesn't matter if they call you a terf and hate you, you'll never see them again once you're done studying lol

No. 19917

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>OP is ranting her moid cousin destroyed her dressed

>this mf asking her if she was a trans woman because "TRaNSphOBiA"?

No. 19922

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Nonas how much do you think shows like Steven Universe affected the troon start? In particular enbys. It was huge with gendies on tumblr and I remember cringe af video clips of fans crying telling the creators "I wish this had existed when I was a child so I could have had the nonbinary representation" through their sobbing tears, just because Rebecca Sugar chose to make the 100% clearly female characters "not female" since they're an alien race from space.

No. 19923

>>19922
Steven Universe was just a symptom of a bigger issue. The gendies already existed or the show would have crashed and burned before being "discovered" by gendies.
Also ironic that you used the image of the one gem voiced by a man for your 100% female example. 99% of them do fall into your framework though.

No. 19924

>>19923
Well duh, of course I used the most gender special one in the example. He literally didn't show up until the last episode but the male part is human and not gem though. It's still an all female species except Rebecca Sugar is an nlog who resents women so they can't be female and are ennys instead

No. 19925

I want to go to graduate school but I am so afraid of being stuck for years in a lab with labmates and an advisor part of this cult. Higher education/academia seems to be completely inundated with all this stupid nonsense. It seems inescapable and it makes me discouraged about continuing my education. Every time I see pronouns under a potential advisor's name, I get nervous about contacting them.

No. 19926

>>19925
If I may give you some hope nonna, grad school is not all bad. I'm working with mostly older professors in a liberal arts field and they truly don't care about pronouns or gender stuff beyond what the university makes them acknowledge. Unless you go into hopelessly infiltrated fields like women's studies, I think you'll be okay. Try to look for older people that don't have time to deal with gender bullshit and tune out the gender discourses. Don't engage with that crap as much as you can and give noncommittal answers. So far in my experience I have had no problems with that. Plus, international students are usually better about leaving political conversation behind closed doors, so I'd suggest looking for friends/labmates in those circles.

No. 19927

>>19926
Thank you nonna, I needed to hear that. My field is biology, which has unfortunately drank a lot more of the gendie koolaid than other related fields, but probably not as much as fields like women's studies, like you said. You're right that a lot of the professors probably just put pronouns because they have to (I have had to in the past as well), but the scary part is not knowing. And there's no way to ask directly, so I am just trying to look for any signs or clues that I can to avoid getting accidentally stuck with a crazy. I will definitely look for older people with international students.

No. 19928

>>19927
>biology, which has unfortunately drank a lot more of the gendie koolaid than other related fields
That's such a sad sentence, it should be the opposite since biology works directly against troons. But I guess that's why they want to rewrite it and disprove it

No. 19929

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>>19927
Oh, nonnie, another thing. I am studying in a university town so ofc you know they go crazy for troon stuff, but I'm not in a super liberal state. The non-students around me, even in towns further away, care less about that. Having the option to socialize with people other than uni students will also help you, I think. Though the boardgame group I go to in another town has a dude that asked for my pronouns at first and then makes stupid "FroGs ArE a GenDeR jokes. You'll find these people everywhere but just make sure not to indulge in their antics while not drawing attention to yourself. And I gotta say, sometimes it's fun to be an undercover terf so I can relay gendie-tendies' antics to my terf friends. I know we're in different fields, but if there's anything else I can help you with for grad school matters, let me know! You can do this!

No. 19930

>>19917
idiot redditor equated mentally underdeveloped adults with being a tranny, great self-own. See, we don't even need to retaliate, the marshmallows roast themselves

No. 19932

>>19928
It's really sad, and I am hoping it will change in the near future. Part of me feels like I should go pursue grad school just to be one of the non-crazy people who still cares about truth in science.
>>19929
I really appreciate nonna, you have helped me feel a lot better about it. I have been looking at out-of-state schools for that reason as well. Good luck with your studies too!

No. 19934

I used to think terms like amab and afab were pretty lame and still do for the most part, but now I find them really amusing and like to use them a lot more because of how much it makes tims seethe. Funny how not even tifs seem to mind it. It directly acknowledges biological reality in an overtly woke manner. Replacing man with amab for some reason just makes the sentence sound so much funnier and a million times more patronizing. It's literally perfect. It allows us to group ourselves as females while also having a veneer of wokeness. They usually accept it too and won't freak out at you unless it's a large group of tims. I see that tims often embolden each other by their numbers and are more likely to harass and threaten people online and via lawsuits and such, so in casual social settings where no tims are present it's usually a safe bet.

No. 19936

>>19934
I used to try to use afab/amab but when post like "using amab is just a way for terfs to say boy without saying boy" kept appearing I realized there's no fucking point in doing that either. They keep changing the goalpost so no matter what you do you're always fucking wrong and they're right. So now I just use the words the normal way, usually man/woman in normal conversation but male/female to gendies so they can't go "um akshully some women have penises" because I said "female" and that clearly excludes male troons, while also inclduing female tifs, so shut the fuck up.

No. 19937

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Troons start as eggs.
They're in a small little enclosure where they can't interact with the outside world at all, and the world can't see them. At best they hear whispers of the outside world through the egg shell, but they can't see anything and confirm if it's true or not. This is where they form all of their ideas and opinions, from their oh so small closed off tiny space where their only focus is on themselves.
Then the egg cracks, and they hatch. Their ideas are now out in the chicken pen. All the whispers are now out in the chicken pen, but they all have the same ideas and opinions. They can't fly, they can't leave their safe cage of privilege and they don't want to. They all cackle about the same things over and over. They have free food, shelter, protection. They fear the outside world.
In the outside world lurks the terf foxes, they would gobble them up if they were set free. The foxes just want to survive and feed their young fox babies, they follow the laws of nature. They scratch up troon ideology because it's natural. The chicken troons do not fear the farmer who bred them to be fat and stupid, and chopped up for dinner. Every day they peck themselves to death, and the farmer eats a few of them. The terf foxes are free.

No. 19941

Lately a friend of mine socially trooned out as a theythem and started to bind, I tried to express my concern with shit like "are you sure you want to give yourself back pain, rib pain and breathing problems just for aesthetics?" and she went "Well nonna you used to bind too!"
I didn't ever bind my body, I wore compression stuff because my piece of shit ex was telling me I was obese, so with compression stuff I knew exactly how much space I took. Yes, I was young and stupid, that's not the point, but the she went
"You were traumatized, but I'm doing this for myself! I'm happy!"
And that's when I realized that either tifs are doing it to cather weird looks and weird attention, like the Ezra bitch who sure as he will still wear feminine dresses despite being disfigured or they're totally nullyfying themselves. When I compressed my body, I wanted to be small and didn't want nobody to notice me (I was thinking shit like that if my bf thought that I was fat, then everyone was thinking that) and they're doing the same exact thing but they deluded themselves into being happy. I wasn't happy and they won't be either.
I still have some empathy, in fact I know that the world isn't kind to women, but I kinda relate to them in some way and I hate that the world is telling them to dissociate themselves from their body because boobs and being female bad. They don't want to be men, they don't want to look like their dads, they don't want to look like women, period. I know this isn't something new but I can see where they are coming from and I can see the psych damage and the difference from treatment. The world tells women they are fat but no surgeon will cut off all fat (except for money hungry butchers), the world tells women that they're women and women are bad but mutilation is tax-paid and encourage. I want this bubble to burst.

No. 19942

ANOTHER one of my exes has trooned out, I hate him so much and I just want to scream “you are nothing but an uninteresting, unoriginal, unfathomably stupid moid and you will never be a woman” at him. I can’t wait for him to realise that the reason he’s single is because he’s shit and not because he was “in the closet”. He’s a porn addict (ofc) and I’m glad he broke his dick with his addiction and can’t cum anymore, I’m glad his parents think he’s a failure because he is, I’m glad he works a shitty minimum wage job because he doesn’t deserve any more and wouldn’t put the effort in to get out anyway. I’m glad he’s just making himself more unappealing by transitioning

No. 19943

>>19942
I love your energy nona kek
Had a troon friend (enby, didn't transition at all but insisted he's trans) who when I met him I wished better for than his sad lonely neet life. Fast forward to him sexually harassing me and "coming out" as a troon and now I'm rejoicing in knowing his life is sad and that it will always be sad. And it's all his own fault, he could turn it all around but I know he won't because he's busy wallowing in his troon-pity.

No. 19945

If the world was going to end tomorrow I would go out on a huge misgendering spree all over town and go out in a blaze of TERFy glory. On a more down to earth note, I'm thinking of quitting reddit and I'm sorta just slowly edging more and more into blatant transphobia. I wanna see how far I can go until I get the ban hammer. If I get bored then I'll just go on an online misgendering spree. Social media has really lost its luster anyways, it's just not as cool as it used to be and I've picked up better hobbies.

No. 19949

>>19945
>I'm thinking of quitting reddit and I'm sorta just slowly edging more and more into blatant transphobia.
Love that for you nona, reddit is trash. Not an attack on you but in general: you know how brainwashed they are on the trans topic, why wouldn't they be brainwashed about other things - that you as a part of reddit just take for granted because no one there is questioning that thing either? That's just an unhealthy dangerous place to be.

Would love to hear what transphobic things you've gotten away with so far!

No. 19950

>>19943
thank you nona kek, I can’t help but find it hilarious when moids squander any bit of potential they had by being retarded. I’m sorry you ex did that to you, he’s a useless waste of space and deserves the worst in life, and sounds like he’s gonna get exactly that!!!

No. 19952

>>19951
Nona, you need to be clear with him. He's emotionally blackmailing youvand it's unfair and imoral.
You gotta tell him his bad mental health is not for anyone else but him to sort out, with mental health professionals, and the way he literally put his life on YOU was unfair and inappropriate. It shows a lack of personal boundaries towards you (as you are still essentially strangers and you had not approved of being his mental support in any way) and as such you can NOT stay in contact with him because he went past your boundaries and it's harmful to your own mental health to have someone act like that and tell you they'll kill themselves. Let him know you will unfollow him and won't answer anymore and that you'll block him if he messages or bothers you further after this.

No. 19953

>Be me
>Have an instagram account where I post art
>I follow back whoever follows me
>Big mistake
>Troon follows me
>The whole package deal, a retarded chronically online TIM with gross fetishes, no friends and probably schizo
>But he makes nice art
>Follow back and like his posts occasionally
>All of his stories are insane schizoramblings
>Only read a few and skimmed through most
>His whole personality is being a troon with weird fetishes
>Was abused as a child very badly so that explains why
>feelsbad.jpg
>One day he randomly messages me
>I reply amd I'm polite and respectful to him
>Keeps messaging me about random stuff
>At the beginning we just talk about art, our favorite shows, normal stuff and it's nice
>Then
>His schizoramblings get worse
>He posts fetish art exclusively
>Never sent him pictures of myself or other personal info but he sends me selfies (not nsfw thankfully) and he's ugly as fuck
>fuckthisshitimout.jpg
>Say I might delete my account
>Threatens to kill himself because I'm the only person who was nice to him and he feels like he doesn't have anything else in life anymore
>Almost does it
>guilt.jpg
>Say I reconsider it and won't do it even though I hate his ass but I'm still trying to be polite cus I don't want to be the reason someone dies even if it's a disgusting troon
>Now I'm stuck with him
>Can't switch to another account cus I use this one to talk with other artists and wanna continue posting art under this name

Advice? I'm currently thinking of talking to him for a bit and then start ghosting

No. 19954

>>19952
Samefag, just reposted.
I really want to do that but at the same time I'm feeling guilty because I'm probably the only person in his life who treated him well. But you're right. I will talk to him for a bit just to calm the waters, then tell him I don't want to associate with him anymore and then ghost. If he still bothers me I'll block. Thankfully he doesn't know my main accounts so he can't message me there either

No. 19957

>>19953
Oh breastie…you gotta block, ghost, cut all contact. He is not good for you. Trust me. I (during my handmaiden days lol) dated a hon who was also very mentally ill and attached himself to me for validation. You will feel so much better if you block, cut off contact, ghost. Give him NOTHING. He’s just another fucking moid who wants a woman to mother him. That is not your responsibility to take care of, or any random woman he finds.

No. 19959

>>19957
Seconding this, just block him nonnie >>19953. If he makes an alt account to stalk you, just block his alt accounts as well. It's not your responsibility to keep a mentally ill person from killing himself, it's his responsibility to get proper mental help. Also if he dies that's one less insane troon in the world.

No. 19960

>>19949
AYRT Now it's important to note that I'm doing this in more neutral subreddits so it gets more of a lukewarm reception rather than outright hostility, since the reddit shitmins can't be everywhere all at once when they're too busy beating off to lolishit. But I've not gotten so much as a warning for this. I've explicitly stated that single sex spaces are important especially for female people. I've said that removing all language around pregnant mothers is messed up, I've said that misogyny only harms biological women, that biological males consistently abuse and attack biological females of all ages. I'vs also posted studies on the harms of lupron in children and stated some of the long term side effects. I also said that transwomen should leave lesbians alone and just date each other. I guess it's just a matter of the site being so big and spread out that they really can't enforce this. The admins still lock posts that get a little too aware, but people are noticing and getting more and more frustrated. I think in more terminally online areas, people are starting to show increasing dissent. The female only subreddits are still up and unbanned, there was even a troon who got banned off twox for trying to brigade femaleantinatalism. I really wanna see an explosive shitshow go down and I feel one brewing.

No. 19961

>>19954
>I'm feeling guilty because I'm probably the only person in his life who treated him well.
It's not on YOU to fix HIS problems. You aren't his therapist. I mean you don't think there's a reason others haven't been nice to him as an adult? Like him having gross fetishes, forcing strangers to care for him, blaming them and suicide baiting if they dare to mention leaving?
>But you're right. I will talk to him for a bit
Do it nona! He doesn't deserve to force you to baby his grown fetish ass. If he sorts himself out, drops the fetishes and the schizoshit to act like a normal human one day - only then could you potentially be "friends" on equal footing.

No. 19962

>>19960
love that you got away with so much there, reddit turning on troons would be massive

No. 19964

I'm so angry and fed up with woke mothers nonnies. My 13 yr old daughter fell into the trans garbage a couple years ago and was identifying as a gay boy. Thank God she woke up earlier this year and now realizes how insane tranny shit is. When she was still identifying as trans her school counselor attempted to facilitate a secret name/pronoun change. Thankfully I found evidence pretty much immediately and raised hell. It didn't matter though. Every school official I spoke with, including the superintendent, backed the groomer counselor. This morning I decided to out the counselor in a Mom's group on FB for the area I live in. I instantly got dog piled. Every single woman who replied was defending the counselor for secretly transing kids and acting like I was a horrible mother for not affirming my daughters delusion. I fucking hate these people so much. They won't understand or give a shit until tranny shit negativity impacts them or their loved ones. I'm just so happy my daughter woke up and realized she's a girl that just doesn't give a shit about traditional femininity. I have a lot of fun with her now making fun of lunatic trannies and shitting on their ideology. This will definitely be her last year in public school.

No. 19966

>>19964
Jesus Christ anon, this sounds genuinely terrifying. I sometimes snoop around this thread (despite the fact that where I live there are basically 0 troons - small town in Eastern Europe), and almost every story makes me feel so uneasy. I feel so bad for women who live in heavily liberal-leaning places, I hope you find a more suitable form of education for your daughter. From the side perspective, of someone who doesn't have to deal with this at all, this is reeks of genuine cultist behavior and attempts at recruitment.

No. 19967

>>19966
It was the darkest and most rage inducing time in my life to date. The crazy thing is, I don't even live in an ultra liberal area. It's pretty moderate, even somewhat conservative. The brainwashing runs deep and the public school system in America is fully captured by tranny ideology. Teachers and counselors can socially transition kids and it doesn't matter if the parents object, they'll do it anyways. Only option is to pull the child out of public school. My daughter has told me that TONS of girls in her school are identifying as trans, nonbinary and whatever else. She has seen 13 year old classmates already wearing chest binders to school. It's definitely a cult. I'm glad to hear that troon shit is nearly non-existent where you are. I really hope it stays that way!

No. 19968

>>19961
>>19959
>>19957
Okay, I blocked him. I feel much mote relieved now.
Also I love the word "breastie" kek. I'm going to start using it

No. 19969

>>19968
NAYRT I'm glad you did the blocking. Never let anyone abuse with suicide threatening/baiting. If the troon tries to continue to harrass you, just screenshot any evidence of that in case it crosses over the line of offence. Please stay safe.

No. 19970

>>19968
Good job nona!!! You did the right thing!

>>19964
I'm not surprised terminally online moms dogpiled you, even if it's of course disgusting. Hope you updated them saying your daughter is happily a girl again and was never trans lol
I still think you did the right thing with sharing it, so lurking worried mothers can see they're not alone. So glad your daughter got out of it! If you/her feel like sharing it would be interesting to hear what she says about her changing her mind. Like what made her realize it, what she thinks could help other girls in her position etc
(and if you ever go back to updating the moms in that facebook group you could even inform them of what she said. Would be interesting and funny to go "my 'trans' son-daughter thinks you're all insane and are mad at you for trying to let an adult lure her and other kids into harming her through transition to fuel your own egos)

No. 19971

>>19970
Oh I definitely mentioned that my daughter grew out of her trans phase and is happy being her true self now. A brainwashed Mom told me that, "Kids don't grow out of being trans, that's not a thing that happens." I asked her to explain the explosion of detransitioners then. She of course claimed they don't exist and that suggesting they do is just fear mongering. The women in that group have swallowed every single lie presented to them about transgenderism. One woman even said I should be sued for "spreading false information" about the groomer counselor lol. But, if I even somewhat opened the eyes of at least one parent then it was worth it to post there. My daughter told me it was a slow progression of little realizations that got her to drop the trans shit. She realized that all the girls her age who are into this all look, dress, act, speak, and behave exactly the same. She noticed that they all act cringey as hell and are completely obsessed with transgenderism and pretending to be gay boys. She began to notice a feeling of discomfort when her friends would refer to her with her fake name or male pronouns.

During the time she said she was a boy I would drop little facts and bits of information to her. It could never be too much at once, or she'd get irrationally angry. I worked the health angle hard. I have PCOS and told her how disastrous high testosterone levels are for women's bodies and minds. I showed her my thinning hair and prickly chin before plucking it one day. Both of her grandmother's talked to her about their cancer battles and surgeries. One had breast cancer, the other cervical cancer. I also told everyone in my family and my husband's family that they were not permitted to call her by anything other than her real name and proper sex pronouns. So she wasn't getting any affirmation from me, her father, or family. It took her about a year to wake up. At this point she can't stand tranny shit and told me she cringes any time she remembers how into she used to be. I am beyond happy and relieved.

No. 19972

I told someone I define a man as someone with a Y chromosome, and they sent me this video saying "so you consider this a man, really?" What do you nonnies think? I am not sure how to feel about these specific cases. Are they women or men to you? What definitions of male and female do you think are the most concrete and clear-cut to use? Sorry if this is not the right thread for this, I'm not sure where else to post it.

No. 19973

Whoever the terf lady at the lifedrawing was, you're fucking based.

No. 19974

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>>19972
Chromosomal anomalies are to be expected, so it doesn't negate the argument that women are XX and men are XY as a basis. It's like saying "human's have 2 hands" and someone showing a picture of someone born with a deformity that gives them only one hand as a "gotcha". No, that's just a rare anomaly that went a bit wrong during the developmental stages - perfectly natural disturbance that comes with evolution. All intersex conditions are sexed anyway. For example you can have a woman who's got accidental internal non-working gonads - you can't have a male with accidental internal gonads because they're supposed to be there for him. He's just a normal guy - so that condition is exclusively a female anomaly.
Ask the person who sent it if they think a disabled person is not a human, since they're also a developmental anomaly.

Also point out that intersex isn't trans, has nothing to do with being trans, and most intersex people do not like incorrectly being called trans - nor are most trans people intersex in any way.

For CAIS it's about the developmental pathway - of which there are only two. If AS A FETUS a body had a Y but it never activated to the Y road and instead it just kept going to the X road - you get the rare XY female. A female who has a useless Y attached to them by accident, which comes at health costs. The Y didn't do it's Y job of being a Y but the Y's job is still to turn you onto the male Y road. Just like you sometimes get people with just one hand. Saying that "humans have 2 hands" somehow isn't a correct general statement is still a dumb bad-faith take. Enjoy my beautiful illustration of it.

If you want another way to define a man say "adult human male". Adult = fully grown, human = our species, male = the sex that produces the small gametes (sperm, the other being large gametes aka eggs).
Ask the person if they know how humans reproduce and how they'd define the two groups if not with male and female.

No. 19975

>>19974
samefag, the reason the myth that "everyone starts as female" exists is because the "default" road you go onto if you just keep going (but don't start on) is female. They're still 2 distinct roads - one no-sex-yet dirt road and then the main female X-road where it actually develops female. So someone who takes the Y road has never touched the female X road or "started female", because they instead turn to the male Y road at the exact point they would have gone over to the X road.

No. 19976

>>19972
Just because some humans are born without legs doesn't mean the species isn't bipedal. The exception does not disprove the rule. Ask them why it's more important or useful to categorize people based on gender identity vs sex. Gender identity is unique to the individual and can be expressed in any way they choose. Their gender identity should not affect how they are treated in any way. However, it is important and useful to distinguish sex. We have different organs that require different medical and personal care. We respond to some medicines differently. Our bodies have different processes and it is important to be able to identify and understand those processes within ourselves, and communicate effectively with others who share those experiences. Prioritizing gender identity over sex confuses everyone, obfuscates the important differences between us, and encourages adherence to restrictive gender roles which have historically been used to oppress both sexes in different ways.

No. 19977

>>19972
On top of what the others said, for me if you were socialized as a female since birth (or basically birth for those who got their genitals messed with) that’s good enough to include you in women’s spaces. There are no trans people who were socialized as the other sex since birth

No. 19978

Just found out some good news and had to share!
There’s been a girl I’ve been acquaintances for a while who had been trans identified for longer than I knew her. She would even go so far as to call her own vagina a “bussy” and was very aggressive to anyone who “misgendered” her even though she made no attempt to be less feminine.
I just looked at her social media after not hearing from her for a while to find out that she has detransitioned! (Thankfully she only ever “transitioned” socially so no effects from HRT to recover from.) She still has “she/they” in her bio but she has at least stopped calling herself male pronouns and is now openly a lesbian :)
My heart is glad for her that she’s going in the right direction.

No. 19982

>>19953
People who hold you accountable for their suicide like this are always better off out of your life. Take this from simebody who was suicide baited for months on end by a troon and then completely turned on once he was fine.

No. 19983

>>19977
I don't believe they count. Femaleness is biological. The female socialization is sort of like a non-optional side dish that comes with it. Males who are socialized as female since birth are an anomaly, but they still retain their male traits. This has actually been studied. Males cannot integrate into female society and that was proven by John Money's cruel experiment. The boy had his genitals mutilated from birth and was told he was a girl, but was never able to actually become a woman and eventually reverted back to being a man, then committed suicide due to the trauma.

No. 19984

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>be me
>artist for big fandom
>acquire moderate following and engagement. Known for drawing niche ship. Engage with other enjoyers
>end up bonding on this topic with mtf tranny that doesn’t seem a paraphilic mess like most of his contemporaries and has a boyfriend so not a transbian
>he projects on the ship (m/f ship) but lots of people in fandom do that so try not to make anything of it
>Be open about history of identifying as Aiden and giving it up, he seems to still treat me with respect. Try to have good faith
>planning to get the cock chop, lives in Tranada
>repeatedly says he’s scared and knows it will be the hardest recovery of his life but that “it will be worth it”
>time passes
>genuinely care about tranny as a person, send him article about complications on Canadian tranny penis chop surgeries so he has the information out of concern
>get called a terf in fandom places over not bootlicking
>cock chop happens
>even send him a fucking “get well soon” doodle and check on his health, despite what happened
>the boyfriend starts trooning, goes from he to they to she to hormones in 3 months
>tranny doesn’t initiate contact unless I talk to him after the retarded terf allegation shit
>eventually nuke art profiles as retarded fandom drama escalates. This shit isn’t worth it
>two months since exiting shitter
>learn from remaining fandom friend that tranny is tweeting about how he’s sad that the “only good artist” for the niche ship is a “freaky terf” who “tried to stop me from getting bottom surgery”

This is what I get for having good faith in trannies. Lesson learned. His twitter was also full of copium posts about how it’s soooo much better now that his “husband is his wife”. My friend blocked him. Don’t bond with trannies, don’t become friends with trannies, don’t let your female socialisation fool you. Don’t fucking bond with troons

No. 19985

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>>19983
I don’t think being socialized as female was the traumatic part, nona…

No. 19987

>>19984
I'm sorry that happened to you, nona. You did what you could. I'd do the same and risk it for a close female friend that would want to do something drastic. You'd assume they know you better by now to have more coherent thoughts about it and not just be a bigot.

No. 19988

>>19983
I agree with this. "Socialized as male/female" does not in any way, shape or form make a man a woman, or a woman a man. Not even "closer to the other sex". That's like saying all women raised in the western world are "more like men" compared to (for example) strict middle Eastern countries where their gender roles are enforced harder. Because the Western "free" female socialization is the same/closer to their male socialization.

Female/male socialization is imo kind of a misguided myth pushed by both TRA and feminists. What it comes down to is a mix of gender stereotypes, natural variation between thr sexes, and sexism. We don't treat male/female kids the same because they ARE different. But there's also unfair sexism. Neither treatment makes the child change sex.

No. 19989

>>19985
I think the part where they cut his dick off as a baby and then lied to him his whole life and forced him to do girly things was also pretty traumatic nona.

No. 19990

>>19977
One could argue a lot of gay men were socialized female since birth if they come from open families who let them be gay and I sure as hell don't want them in female spaces.

You can't really socialize a male as female because BEING female is what makes the socialization female. You can tell a male to worry about his period bleeding through his pants and give him pads but it will still do fuck all to him understanding what having a period is like because he can't ever have one. He will never know what it's like to have another sex exist that is bigger and stronger than him on average, and to have that sex sexually desire your sex and becoming violent over it and risking impregnating you. You can tell him about it, but it's not the same as living it. You can't even socialize a child to be an adult - they have to actually grow up to be it.

No. 19991

>>19978
I love hearing happy stories! A lot of detrans people start out by going to they/them before fully accepting they're just normal men/women. As much as I think they/thems are stupid the only good thing about it is that it lets trans people detrans easier one step at a time

No. 19992

>>19989
NTA but I think anon meant that being "socialized as female" as a male isn't inherently traumatic, as if male biology would somehow be inerently incompatible with female socialization (i.e. stereotypical upbringing given to female children). (And thus implying that females are somehow more compatible with female socialization, which is obv bullshit. Hell, you could even argue that female socialization is inherently traumatic in some respects, especially the parts where you are taught to think of yourself as lesser than males and to always put your safety and comfort below theirs.)

No. 19993

>>19984
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are NO normal troons. Stay away from them at all costs.

A man who is delusional enough to think he is or can become a woman, and ignores the millions of women saying he can't and to stop coming into our spaces isn't a good person. Some of them were good people, or aren't AS insane as the unhinged AGPs - but that doesn't take away the fact that to be a troon you must first lack a respect for real women's boundaries and that's where they'reat now. If a man respects women, he doesn't troon out no matter how much he feels he should have been born one. Just like how a good person doesn't ever punch a child no matter how much it deserves it from being a little shit. They're mutually exclusive.

You can't save these delusional cultists, you can only stay away and peak people who aren't in the cult yet before it's too late.

No. 19997

Is one of the reasons that so many girls transition and claim to be gay men because being a GNC straight woman is harder than being a GNC lesbian? Perhaps the same might also apply to GNC men. I saw this in the r/detrans subreddit and it made me think
>Why is it that people are fine with the idea that you might be GNC and gay (in my case, a butch lesbian), but are completely bewildered if you're GNC and straight?
>In my teen years, I heard it a lot, especially playing ice hockey in a girls league. "Oh, it's OK that you want to wear men's clothes and have short hair and whatever else. You're just gay."
>But I'm not. I've never been attracted to a woman.
>And then it kind of got in my head like, "Well if wanting to look like this means I'm gay, I must be a gay man, because I'm obviously not a gay woman."
There's no doubt that there are always going to be AGPs/AAPs but perhaps with how so many women are into yaoi they might subconsciously see themselves as men because they can't simply see themselves getting into a relationship with a man unless they're very feminine. There are so many straight TIMs, so maybe the same also applies to TIFs but because they aren't so perverted about it, it goes unnoticed. So they try to convince themselves they're lesbians or bisexual, but it doesn't work so they transition. In tv, masculine girls that end up getting in a relationship with a man end up giving the things they like and wear dresses or makeup at the end or maybe they're not even that masculine to begin with. I think the association so many have with GNC people being homosexuals is making this issue worse.

No. 20002

>>19909 ayrt, thanks for the tips nona. i already avoid engaging with trans related content as much as i can, i ignore things like out of context memes and when someone includes it in a conversation (i.e characters from x franchise), i just cling onto another subtopic. in every space used to describe myself like bios and stuff i don't put pronouns, i just say i'm a girl straight away and i'm sure others know how to refer to me, even though i wouldn't know since the whole point of using pronouns is for when you're not there. i even avoid using individual they/them and the zee/zem-like bullshit, either by "cluelessly" using he or she, or by using names only to the point it sounds kinda dumb, but i can't bring myself to use terms i don't believe in. i don't know if i come off as an unaware normie or as a mean bigot, but if they doubted my "allyship" they would've stopped talking to me, right?

i don't know why i get so worked up over what is an exclusively online larp for many, when the movement has allowed for worse issues to develop, but anyways, i still get angry at this phenomenon. i know they're better than this, so why does my gender not impact the person i am but yours does? why is calling yourself catgender so alleviating for your alleged dysphoria? the online friends i'm the closest to are regular males and, fortunately for me, they stop at being a bare minimum supportive tra ally. if any of them just came one day and said that they were a cute she/they transbian egg this whole time i would just quit, i would be done. i already cringe when i have to use opposite sex pronouns for people i'm not really close with.

also, once again, it's an online personality gimmick for most but god, even through text and profile pictures and usernames they're so clockable. like i'm pretty sure they don't believe they're the label they gave themselves.

No. 20005

Nonas, I’m so sad right now. I’ve felt myself growing more and more distant from my trans friends and have in the past accepted it as necessary since I’m an entirely different, peaked and detransitioned person now. But the reality of losing a lot of my friendships is starting to hit me and I feel so sad and alone. So many of my friends are trans and I don’t even know how to make new friends at this point. Social media is such a pain and I’m crypto irl. To be honest, I don’t even want to lose the friends I have now, but I find myself rolling my eyes constantly at gendie and queer ideology shit they say, so it’s not healthy in the long run. For me or for them. Ultimately I’d like to make new female friends I can fully be myself with, while also keeping fond memories of my times with these old friends and having it fade naturally rather than dramatically. I think it tears me apart that these people I’ve loved, trusted and shared so much of my time with would never accept my beliefs and would turn against me if they knew how I really felt and would stop seeing me as a person and someone worthy of respect so quickly. The things I believe aren’t even that radical, just single sex spaces are necessary and puberty blockers are retarded and dangerous, but that shit is guaranteed social ostracization at this point. I know in the long run it’s better for me to cultivate friendships with like minded people and that is a goal of mine, but I just feel really sad tonight and I’m grieving the potential and probably eventual loss of friendships that were really important to me. Pray for me that I find some peaked or normie friends soon lol

No. 20006

>>19984
I have to work with a tranny and I felt so bad for him when he told me he’d made an appointment to get his dick chopped off, but other than saying “umm okay just be sure that’s what you really want to do and be aware of the risks” what the fuck was I supposed to do? If I said “hey maybe you should go to therapy instead of cutting off body parts” he could’ve reported me to HR (we work for a very woke company) and maybe I would’ve been fired for transphobia. So now he’s had his dick chopped off - I’m just waiting for him to either get a new job or 41% himself. I’m never gonna try to be friendly with him more than the bare minimum required by our jobs. I worry about him (why do women have “I can change him” energy toward damaged men?) but since there’s no such thing as a sane, well adjusted tranny - deep down they’re all screwed up misogynists, if we were friends it would only be a matter of time before I said something that would cause him to cancel me, he’d try to skinwalk me, or he’d try to sleep with me or reveal his deranged fetish thoughts to me.

No. 20007

>>20005
There are so many ways to make new friends! Join a club or hobby group IRL - you will meet normies who touch grass and don’t care about gender shit. Since you’re detransitioned, it’s basically like you’re saying “I stopped going to church, but all of my friends still go to church every week and I’m so sick of hearing about God and Jesus and the Bible all the time.” Just make new friends who don’t go to church.

Join a hiking club, a choir, a gym, start taking ice skating classes or painting lessons - anything, and you will meet people and make friends.

No. 20008

>>20007
Thanks Nona! Seeing you say it so simply makes it feel a lot easier. Even just venting here helped. I’m starting college soon, so I hope I’m able make some new friends there!

No. 20010

>>19997
To some degree yeah that probably plays into it a little bit. It's sexism and homophobia as usual. A lot of them probably found it offensive over the years to be called a lesbian when they're straight. Then suddenly their friend group started rewarding queerness and they have this "people always think I'm gay" trump card that pushes them into popularity and further down the troon path. And if they troon out they get to keep being straight while they themselves and the world thinks they're a gay man dating (real) men. And they'll of course go "oh I AM gay, just not the way people thought, such logic, much intelligence" and use it as further validation for trooning

No. 20011

>>20005
Here's my suggestion if you don't want to drop them entirely- if you feel comfortable, try lightly broaching some less controversial takes with them, such as the ones you've mentioned. If they're actually your friends, they'll still stick by you, and I know this because I've managed to pull it off. While I doubt you'll be able to say ALL of your viewpoints, it's amazing how people can hear you out and not end your social career so long as you phrase things as if you're looking out for them, which to be honest, you are. People are much more amenable than you think, and as you said, if it doesn't pan out, you've always got college.

No. 20013

Is there any new statistics on how many troons detransitions? I talked to a friend that is a bit ambivalent on the troon topic (I think she's pretty close to peaking though) and when I mentioned that I wish more detransitioners got platforms to speak without being harassed or interrupted she said
>but isn't it only, like, 5% that detransition?
Both you nonnies, and I know that the numbers are more than likely way higher (especially recently), but are the any official ones?

No. 20014

>>20013
Without looking up the exact studies iirc think they're now saying it's 8-13%, but pretty much everyone involved agrees those numbers are too low compared to reality

No. 20015

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>>20013
from statsforgender.org
I find it interesting that even trans organisations found that it was 13.1% yet the "less than 1%" myth still exists.

My math is painfully bad lol but if only roughly 25% aka 1/4 even report that they detransitioned it should be around 4 times higher right? 13x4 would be 52%? If that's true then… oof. That's painful to think about, like are half of them already over it but keeping their mouth shut as new trans people + allys appear?

No. 20017

>>20015
Considering how many stories there are of detransitioners being treated like shit or told they're wrong by their clinicians or psychiatrists when they open up about realizing they made a mistake there's no wonder a lot of them cut contact with their clinics. If more detransitioners got help and support from healthcare I think there would be easier to make proper research. There is also a lot of troons that only transitions socially that are hard to count into these statistics…and let's not forget those that have gone too far and realize there is no going back and accept their fate of having to be some sort of walking in-between freak - not really detransitioned but also not really a troon. I really wish we had some more tangible numbers so we could just kill off that myth.

No. 20038

>>20017
>Considering how many stories there are of detransitioners being treated like shit or told they're wrong by their clinicians or psychiatrists when they open up about realizing they made a mistake there's no wonder a lot of them cut contact with their clinics.
Yeah, literally WHY the fuck would you ever want go back to the doctors that encouraged you into mutilating your fucking genitals and chest? It's like going back and expecting your abuser to heal the trauma their abuse gave you for you, instead of correctly assuming they'll just further the abuse and try to gaslight you into thinking you weren't even abused. Like it says on >>20015 the only people who go back are the ones who didn't really detransition (yet) and still identified as some flavor of trans (usually they go by nonbinary as a stepping stone before they fully realize trans isn't a real thing) or they have to be super brave and mentally stable enough that they can contact them as a "because it's the right thing to do" kind of thing. Or if they plan to sue them (which they 100% should, to any lurking detrans nonas - sue the shit out of any healthcare provider who allowed this for you no matter how "minor" you think your case is).

No. 20040

>>20029
>I empathize with them because I've been there, that's why I hate what they've become.
This is so true for many of us. It's not a surprise that the people who are the most against troons are gnc people, gay people and such because they're the ones getting erased by troonism.
For a feminine stacy ally all troonism does is confirm that she's totally a better and more of a girl than the tomboy girl from her class. Just like she always thought the other girl being a tomboy means she's not a actually real girl, she's at least a demiboy, an enby or maybe even an actual trans boy. And she's acting like a boy so she must be a lesbian - ew! Oh but she's a boy now, so "he's" straight and not an icky gay, phew! Still won't date her of course because stacy knows tomboy is actually a girl.
For the tomboy who just wants to exist she's being told everything she does is proof she's not a girl because she likes boy things - which cancels out physical reality and makes her a boy. She's not allowed to even exist as herself anymore and all she did was not being into makeup and liking football. She is kicked out of womanhood over the crime of not being a stereotype, and then she's paraded around as proof over how woke and inlcusive stacy is of trans people.

No. 20041

I'm laughing at the fact that agender people looked at the trans stuff, they heard all the "everyone has a gender" preaching and went "huh I don't think I have a gender actually" and then they use that… to identify as a trans agender person. It's so insane that they would come to the dumbest conclusion possible, it's like they're saying "oh so the emperors clothes are just made of see-through plastic! He's totally not naked even though we can see his entire dick and he's shivering from the wind" like how are you so close yet so far?

No. 20046

>>20041
I've graduated from the TRA cult last year and it's now more and more visible to me that the ideology thrives from not questioning any shit considered as progressive in their canon.

No. 20053

I've been upsetting this straight TIF by saying I hate bald men and making other man hate-lite comments kek. She loves to notallmen but gets mad whenever someone implies she's not like other men

No. 20055

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Oh yeah, JK Rowling leading the evil genocide in their paranoid mind.

No. 20056

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>>20055
God the TRAs are so fucking manipulative and weird about JKR. She’s isn’t even really a TERF, all she said was “sex is real and it’s important we have laws to protect the female sex”. I remember the tweet that was like “sleep with who will have you” that she made and the TRAs immediately were like “wow so she doesn’t think trans ppl have ppl that want to sleep with them.” As if saying “your partner should consent” is at all a bad thing and that trans people are above consent.

No. 20057

>>20029
I could've written this word for word, I know most people's distress is towards TIMs but TIFs generate such an offensive reaction on me. All of my years wishing women didn't have to wear revealing skirts to school or be enforced to look pretty to men because "women can do anything", it's stomped and spit on by this rhetoric where this wish for equality is discarded in favor of "if you don't want to be forced to show legs and be sexualized… you're actually a man! Because obviously, women couldn't possibly be challenging their place in the kitchen". It's so disgusting. Like I never had hope on men, but seeing women be e this is so despair inducing.

No. 20058

>>20056
And she was most vocal about women's rights, but of course TRAs would go "me me meeeeeee!".

She has better things to do that leading a genocide and even then, I haven't hear the news about dead trans people in the street, but I have hear tons of tras being in jail for pederasty… mmmmm.

No. 20059

>>20055
The good thing about it is you can literally show people what Rowling said, and then show the unhinged death threats and tweets like this to prove how braind dead the trans cult is. They're not even trying to look intelligent or to twist her words, the straight up make shit up she never said and that goes directly against what she said. Because people know who she is it's been easy to peak people by showing them how troons treat her like she's Hitler simply for… standing up for female rights. It's very telling.

No. 20060

>>20057
>Like I never had hope on men, but seeing women be e this is so despair inducing.
Same, and seeing them actively campaign for men to come into female spaces because that's part of their troon cult is a bigger betrayal than sexpest men advocating for it. The tifs themselves will throw all women under the bus just to keep their larp up

No. 20061

Before I peaked, I didn’t know what exactly JK Rowling said to piss everyone off but I blindly assumed that she was being super misogynistic and cruel, but I looked at the tweets and she’s just saying that the female sex is vulnerable and should be protected. I was shocked, I thought she said some shit about killing trans kids but it’s just “hey bio women are in danger and need to be a higher priority right now” and they hate her cause they aren’t on top of the world ???

No. 20067

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Read this morning a Substack post from blog I subscribe, sharing stories of how transgenderisn targets children or teens and young adults. This one speaks about one mother's feelings about Disney as a corporation and her son suddenly becoming a TIM.
https://pitt.substack.com/p/disneys-dreams-shattered?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=374402&post_id=136683995&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=25cq5h&utm_medium=email
Thanks to one link in the comments I got redirected to another blog with a series of posts detailing how the trans issue became a thing in medical industry, how it's pushed and promoted. Includes some really interesting findings like what I added for picrel (taken from part 3).
>Part 1
https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/all-aboard-the-human-rights-campaign-and-the-making-of-transgender-industry-leaders-part-i
>Part 2
https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/all-aboard-the-human-rights-campaign-and-the-making-of-transgender-industry-leaders-part-2
>Part 3
https://www.the11thhourblog.com/post/all-aboard-the-human-rights-campaign-and-the-making-of-transgender-industry-leaders-part-3
Recommending that PITT Substack blog and the one I linked below too, I hope some posts will help someone you know to peak. I already peaked years ago but I keep finding new horrifying facts.

No. 20069

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texas anon here and i just need to rant/blog. they just repealed sb12 which was a bill that would ban doing drag in front of minors. ‘queer’ texas is predictably jizzing themselves in celebration of being able to continue being perverts, because not being able to do drag in front of kids is Basically Genocide. the main figure doing the work to get it repealed is a drag queen named bridgit bandit (a drag queen who is actually female kek). so while the criminalization of abortion goes completely unrivaled, every fucking ‘qUeEr IdEnTiFiEd’ person, most women, and a ton of woke males have done absolutely everything in their power to get sb12 overturned. i hate it here but i don’t think most places are much better.

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>>20069 samefag but i just got to my favorite part of the article actually describing what sb12 was going to do and it’s incredible that THIS is where people draw the line - being banned from ‘simulating sexual acts’ in front of minors. i don’t even personally have a big problem with drag in general (it’s complicated for me but i’m not here to blog about it) but it all just REEKS of trans propaganda/grooming. and ofc the main people talking about it are troons/gendies.

No. 20071

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Detrans female (i belive she was a a child/teen victim groomed into it) likening using the preferred pronouns to offering an alcoholic a drink. I think she's right, playing into their delusion is just enabling them in the moment. Same when an anorexic calls themselves fat, you don't go "yes, absolutely get a liposuction you totally look obese". You're helping to kill them and harm their friends and family too by doing it.

I know some anons use preferred pronouns for trans friends/people around them to not out themselves as terfs but I strongly recommend starting to call them by their real pronouns behind their backs. Not in a mocking way just in a matter of fact way. See how it feels to be honest about it with other people. I always call trans people by the correct sex pronouns around family and at work since they're all normies and no one has batted an eyelid over it. Even if I say things like "he's trans so he wears dresses and makeup" no one has gone in to correct it to "don't you mean SHE".

No. 20072

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Idea for anons who carry markers and such, this is a great way to fix any trans flag you see out and about

No. 20077

>I'll try to give a concise, complete, and clear definition of "woman" as soon as someone can give me a concise, complete, and clear definition of "chair"

A chair is a human construct, but a woman (read: female) is not. A female is a member of the species which, under normal development, would carry the eggs. How you choose, or society expects you, to express yourself or live your life is wholly irrelevant to that fact. The term 'woman' being stripped of all meaning does a disservice to everyone. It is important that we are able to communicate effectively about our bodies and lived experience within those bodies. There is a medical need to classify our bodies as they contain different organs which require different care. There is a social need to classify our bodies as we have been mistreated on the basis of our bodies for the entirety of human history. There is no need to define "gender", as "gender" is something which can be expressed in any way one chooses. Gender is a social construct. Sex is not. We advocate on behalf of sex because we experience sex based discrimination and violence. If you wish to advocate on behalf of "gender" based discrimination and violence, go ahead, but you have no right to hijack and push us out of our own movement.

I have no expectation for trans people to see the light, but normies with no skin in the game who speak on high about these issues boil my blood. And it's frequently gender nonconforming women who do it! Conservatives have absolutely ruined all possible discourse regarding this issue, and now everyone thinks that WE'RE the ones advocating against gender nonconformity when that couldn't be further from the truth. It's all so tiring.

No. 20078

>>20029
i am not gnc but tifs also provoke a different reaction in me compared to tims. almost all of them reek of internalized misogyny, they worship all things male and it makes me just so uncomfortable, how can you hate women this much when you still count as one? they're always so ready to attack a woman and to erase female-only experiences, only to include tims that don't like them and will leave them behind, but absolutely all the people around them see them as women with a severe case of nlog-ism. like a woman can't even talk about her experience with abusive male gyns and medical misogyny, something exclusive to FEMALES, without having to put a disclaimer first saying that tifs have it oh so much worse. you never see this energy towards men.

No. 20082

I remember several instances of trans people crying on TV about people calling them "it" or something similar, and now we have nonbys going by it/its and even more stupid pronouns that are fully accepted. So those initial troons were nonbinaryphobic dicks by insisting being called an "it" is hateful or dehumanizing

No. 20084

>>20069
>>20070
At the end of the day, it all comes down to male fetishes.

Tranny shit, porn and pedophilia are all related. If you ask a tranny or devout TRA why it's wrong to ban drag shows around children, you'll probably get an answer along the lines of:
>Because drag queens and trans people aren't bad people and you're labeling them as dangerous freaks when you support banning them from being around children
But then if you bring up the fact that drag is meant to be a sexual hobby for adults and it's not just a funny little way for people to express themselves, or ask them why they want children to see "simulated sexual acts" that are explicitly meant for adult shows, many of them might go:
>Well, sexuality is a totally normal thing for everyone, including children. Exposing children to sex does not harm them, it helps them find their gender identity! Stop denying their natural sexuality!
which """curiously""" is the same argument pro-porn degenerates and pro-pedophile activists use. You'd get the same result if you asked a troon why he wants porn to be accesible to children. After this argument, depending on your response, they try to argue that, ACKSHULLY, objectifying women, pornography/prostitution, and/or pedophilia are normal, or even good, which no sane person would ever think. Nor would anyone sane think that allowing horny scrotes to parade around kids while wearing massive fake tits and hyper-exaggerated womanface that looks like a parody of porn actresses would not negatively affect the kids' psyche and their views around women.

The other day I went down a rabbit hole on Reduxx and read a bunch of articles about pedophiles who have tried to prove that "consensual" child-adult relations are beneficial. Unsurprisingly, many of them are now very influential transactivists and troons, and today are supporting the medical transition of pre-pubescent children. It's nothing but a bunch of mentally ill males (it's ALWAYS males) trying to justify their fetishes in the most convoluted ways so society won't judge and punish them properly. Maybe they're not actually that delusional and are also trying to convince themselves that what they're doing is not wrong so they won't off themselves, but I don't know if I should place that much faith on them. (Also, fun fact: they often complained about mothers and feminists protesting against their efforts to normalize pedophilia)

Again, troonism is inherently related to pornography and prostitution, which are a direct result to the commodification of sex and the dehumanization of women (misogyny) and children (pedophilia) for the benefit of adult males, and a troon's views on these subjects reflects that. I think we ought to use this knowledge to our advantage more aggressively if we want more normal people to stand against the censorship and troon influence in our institutions. A lot of these average mothers and fathers feel utterly powerless against troons, and many don't even know what's happening around them because the troon-positive media is very careful about the way they present facts, all we have to do is educate, agitate and then organize. Then we can start attacking tranny arguments with actual facts (for example, debunking the 41% myth that trannies will kill themselves if their delusions are not validated, of which there exists absolutely no solid proof and in fact other studies suggest the opposite) when they try to say things like it's anticonstitutional to allow adult male perverts to show up wearing their fetish costume in front of kids, or that trannies suffer from a special condition because they were born with a brain of the opposite sex so you have to allow males in the women's bathroom. People need to DEMAND for this to stop. We outnumber them, so even if we didn't have the evidence that trannies are just lying about having been born trans (which we do have, as well as plenty of evidence that they're just fetishistic degenerates) we could force things to happen if we organized and fought together.

No. 20085

>>20084
>it's anticonstitutional to allow
*not allow
Sorry for the reposts and mistakes

No. 20087

>>20084
>which no sane person would ever think.
On this site alone it's still a stretch to consider degrading het shit degrading and you'll be gawked at and your post will be considered bait by the moderators if you say as much since they seem to ban based on consensus rather than reason. This site is not as "free speech" as it touts. There is no place for unfettered speech for women de facto, but I do digress.

I agree with your analysis somewhat which basically boils down to ranking which are the bigger threat and the core of the threat of troons which is rapists/pedofile males > trannies/male rape biology > drag queens. But you lose me with the "mothers and fathers" spiel and "outnumbering them". If you don't fit into the heteropatriachy you don't "outnumber" anyone. Trannies fit into the heteropatriachy because they uphold strict gender roles and stereotypes. They adhere to strict gendered rules just like the average mothers and fathers you speak of even if they claim otherwise and a male wants to call themselves lesbian which is just oxymoronic. Their rigid gendered behavior is literally the same shit mothers and fathers embody and push for.

>A lot of these average mothers and fathers

I don't care about average mothers and fathers. I don't care about parents period, why should I? "The average mother and father" literally uphold the gender roles that troons use to justify what a male and a female is in the first place e.g pink = female, blue = male. It's far more insidious than this but that's a basic example. They are not allies and never will be. The heteropatriachy isn't an ally, if anything tradtards/redpill moids want to uphold gender roles just as much as troons but they want rape to happen on their violent male terms while troons want rape to happen on their cross dressing violent male terms. Both despise lesbians and women thereby extension female children, period.

"The average father" is literally a male so their opinion on troons (as the primary contributor of them and tranny chaser) is discarded and by biology they are a predator. They are also a contributor of troonism through political power, law making and economic power, fetishism, pedofilia and all the things you described as harmful which are male caused and enforced by heteropatriachy and male biology like pornography and pedofilia, and yes, gay moids are pedos too and part of patriarchy. Child rearing doesn't suddenly abscond you from criticism nor make you an ally of human rights. I'm sick of repeating this, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Troons wouldn't exist in their current state in the first place if heteropatriachy didn't set the rigid rules of what is male and what is female through backward gendered stereotypes that reinforce and justify the rape and abuse of women and girls. Troons are a byproduct of heteropatriachy.

>for the benefit of adult males

Adult is a odd caveat here, iirc in Spain boys aged 12-14 created deep fake pedofile porn of girls aged 11-17. Young males are also predatory and there are many examples of male biology affecting male children too just as there is countless evidence of heinous troon behavior.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66877718

No. 20089

>>20084
The whole section about asking TRA about drag shows is on point. They change the goal post to whatever benefits them in that very second, which is why it's so infuriating to talk or listen to them. Their arguments are nothing but illogical double-think.
You can't change THIER minds, they're literally in a cult. You have to instead inform everyone around them and expose what the cultists are in fact saying and doing.

No. 20090

>>20087
>On this site alone it's still a stretch to consider degrading het shit degrading
literally what? all i see here is people who are against it and find it gross, are you talking about some odd kink thread lol
>But you lose me with the "mothers and fathers" spiel and "outnumbering them"
>I don't care about parents period
nta but i sure won't read the rest of what you wrote then lol

No. 20107

>>20090
I'm talking about /ot/ and the multitudes of male worship threads but I would not step foot in such a unholy place kek.

>nta but i sure won't read the rest of what you wrote then lol

Ok trad legend.

True pain is when the only people who also hate troons are tradtards that literally uphold the same gender roles, and behaviors troons use to justify their misogny.

No. 20109

>>20107
I don't know how such braindead retards found this hidden forum and mistook it for them, but whoever linked it and advertised it as a dump for "average fathers and mothers against LGBT degeneracy" essays can rot.

No. 20112

>>20107
>True pain is when the only people who also hate troons are tradtards that literally uphold the same gender roles
bad luck with your community then, most people against it are gays and "non conformists" who are fed up with being lumped in with their degeneracy. Troons being for gender roles (while of course claiming to not be) is almost always brought up as a reason why they're retarded in every anti-troon space i'm in

No. 20135

>>20087
AYRT
>On this site alone it's still a stretch to consider degrading het shit degrading
You're probably talking about specific things that a lot of lolcow users who aren't radfems don't consider to be related to what I said. I meant those who think porn or the other things are okay are not sane. If you think the average lolcow user is insane because of this, then so be it. But I wasn't even talking about free speech on lolcow.
>But you lose me with the "mothers and fathers" spiel and "outnumbering them"
Whether you want it or not, there's a lot of parents who are concerned about tranny shit and don't want to see their kids (especially their daughters) being sucked into the tranny cult. If you want to stop something as powerful as the tranny lobby you'll have to work together with the "heteropatriarchal normies" who represent the majority (thus outnumbering TRAs) and agree with you on this one, you cannot do it alone. This doesn't mean that you're abandoning your ideals and principles, or that you support the patriarchy. It also doesn't mean you're becoming a tradfag. Parents want to protect their kids from a predatory cult and I think that reason is enough to form a temporary alliance with them.
>They adhere to strict gendered rules just like the average mothers and fathers you speak of even if they claim otherwise and a male wants to call themselves lesbian which is just oxymoronic. Their rigid gendered behavior is literally the same shit mothers and fathers embody and push for.
>"The average mother and father" literally uphold the gender roles that troons use to justify what a male and a female is in the first place e.g pink = female, blue = male.
Then this is the opportunity to try to educate them on that, make them realize that troonism was able to thrive because the foundation (gender roles and stereotypes, misogyny, sexism) had already been laid. Not that all of them will listen or change but it'll at least open the eyes of many. You can't expect total change and a feminist utopia to happen overnight. It's also a chance to show everyone that hating trannies is not just a right-wing thing, this is a chance to take that position back from true tradfags.
>Adult is a odd caveat here, iirc in Spain boys aged 12-14 created deep fake pedofile porn of girls aged 11-17.
I know moids can be violent and fucked up even from childhood, especially when exposed to porn, but I was talking in a general sense because male children are also targeted by male adults. This is just you being a nitpicking faggot for the sake of it.
>if anything tradtards/redpill moids want to uphold gender roles just as much as troons but blah blah blah
The average parent is not a terminally online redpill tradtard. Although it's true that most parents do enforce gender stereotypes either knowingly or unintentionally, there's a wide variety of opinions held by the general population. Some are more tradfaggy than others. Many have good intentions (support their GNC, gay or lesbian children, etc.) but need help to realize what they're doing wrong. Society works the way it does because people do things without realizing why they do those things, making them extremely susceptible to propaganda and manipulation. Making everyone who's not your specific favorite flavor of radfem into your enemy is not the way to achieve things. You may not destroy the patriarchy and gender stereotypes with this fight, but at least you could stop TRAs from enforcing even more abuse, trauma and censorship. You could stop a lot of women and girls from being targeted by the butchers in the medical industry, being raped in female-only prisons and shelters, being sexually harassed in public bathrooms, being separated from their loving families to be lured into the claws of pedophiles, etc.

This all-or-nothing stubborness of yours and other autists on this board is part of what makes you both miserable and unsuccessful as activists. So, what is your solution, then? Keep coping and seething about things you can do nothing about? Argue endlessly about who's the purest most enlightened radfem on the site/world? Keep shitting on other women? Do nothing? Become so blackpilled you commit suicide? Kill all males? Enforce complete sex segregation at a worldwide scale? What even is your goal, realistically? And if you have no realistic goals, or at least none that you believe you can achieve in your lifetime, why are you trying to discourage those who do want to make a difference right now and engage in real-life activism that could improve the lives of many women when they see an opportunity? This thread is about trannies, so I made a post about trannies, not one about every single thing radical feminism is about.

I won't even reply to the retard claiming that I'm some tradfag who linked lolcow on other sites or came from tradfag places, all because I said you need the help of average people with kids to fight back against the tranny lobby IRL which is true. I don't even let my sister see when I'm browsing here.

No. 20137

>>20135
>This all-or-nothing stubborness of yours and other autists on this board is part of what makes you both miserable and unsuccessful as activists.
Nta, I fully agree with you nona. Some radfemmy nonas have gone way overboard and are out of touch with reality so all they have is seething online in unhelpful ways.

No. 20138

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I think this illustrates in a simple way how trans people are regressive and have a limited view of male/female and think "male traits" can only mean you ARE a male (or non-binary).
Whereas most people know females can also have male traits but it doesn't in any way make them less female or more male, they're still just "female with male stereotypical traits"

No. 20144

>>20138
TY for posting this anon, this image and your comment very succinctly phrase what I've been trying to get through TRA's thick skulls.

No. 20145

>TIF majority community
>TW: suicide mention TW: blood TW: feminism TW: food TW: bugs TW: breathing
>TIM majority community
>Check out this shotgun I just bought from Tor to blow my brains out with because I can't rape (lesbian) my waifu with my massive gock

No. 20148

>>20138
to accept the "trans view" you have to accept that "male and female traits NEVER overlap".
Because if wearing a dress, having boobs (typically fake implants for males), and playing with dolls MAKES you a girl - then a male can't ever do it, or it would mean he's just also a girl (or nonbinary) and thus again only a girl does it.
Normal people know some males have the human traits that we've just labelled as stereotypically feminine, but that it's normal because they're all just human traits and doesn't in any way make them female.

To accept the trans view you have to also accept that "sometimes the traits overlap, but in that case you're nonbinary and it's a separate identity from male and female".
Again, normal people know any human can have any mix of human traits and that it doesn't effect their gender/sex. The fact that these views are opposing doesn't bother TRA because they've already accepted doublethink and dismissal of logic to reach these views.

And then a third stance you have to accept for the "trans view" is that "gender is a collection of traits, having mostly female traits MAKES you a girl but you can have a few male traits too".
But they can't ever specify how many traits you need to be trans or not, or when those traits suddenly make you trans. In fact they will also proudly say "the traits don't matter at all, you always just know/feel your own gender".
Normal people know the trans view doublethink is both illogical and dangerous. Normal people also know they can't argue with someone who is deep in doublethink delusions.

No. 20158

I made a troon impersonating twitter account once out of boredom, I recently used it to call out a local anime convention's official twitter account (biggest one in my country) for following a person that's making homophobic remarks to people while starting fights (he was a she/it troon of course) guessing he's been/is part of staff or has been an artist alley seller or something that made the official account follow him in the first place because the con only follows about 400 people.
I checked today and the official con app followed me from the call out tweet, but they also still follow the homophobic troon.
The con itself is super vocal about being inclusive and LGBTQ+ friendly with 0 tolerance for hate. Guess troons are exempt and can be as vile as they want though. The fact that they follow a troon who just called them out just for being a troon is funny in itself. So woke.

Anyway gonna keep tabs on the real troon as my personal cow.

No. 20161

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tifs who present as 100% quirky feminine girls and call themselves enbys are so fucking annoying and stupid, way worse than the dysphoria tifs imo

No. 20162

>>20161
the nerve of demanding everyone denies the physical reality that you're a girl/woman and pretend you're a magical non-sex/gender being and then turning around and saying other woke people are weird for actually trying to being inclusive lmao

trust me i have no respect for the "lil enby queen" and none of you will ever be "valid"

No. 20165

Y'know what, fuck this. I'm done. I'm ghosting my friends. They're all aggressive TRAs and normally I just disassociate when they talk about gendershit but they just announced they're inviting the most militant and unhinged libfem I know (I'll call her Ally) to our Halloween party. One girl in the group just broke up with an abusive TIM and when I tried to peak Ally about it (she fucking hated this guy before he trooned out) she just lectured me about how he is way more of a victim. So yeah I'm sorry, I'm not gonna be in the same room with a battered woman and some fart sniffing suburbanite telling her to shut up about her trauma. Also I've said some barely crypto shit to everyone in the group at this point so I know once they start talking to each other they'll put two and two together.

It just sucks because I've known these women since fucking elementary school and this is the dumbest shit to end several lifelong friendships over but I can't do it anymore

No. 20166

Gonna take my blogpost pissfit here cause it's not needed in snow obviously. But god dammit I hate the sports troons and their supporters. They're all so god damn entitled. They demand special treatment in a field where there can be no special treatment. They should be fucking grateful they can even play sports or do anything remotely athletic instead of pretending to be oppressed. I'll never get to do any of those things because I wasn't lucky enough to be born with full use of my legs. It's not as bad as it sounds and I'm not too severely affected by it usually, I can manage it, but still. I've accepted that there are many things in life I'll never get to do and I still find my own ways to enjoy life and I'm grateful that I can do that. These men built like brick shithouses that whine about not being allowed to cheat and even physically attack women in sports are the most insufferable fucks imaginable. They should be grateful they can even be in a race or be able to do any of this stuff even recreationally. But it's only natural for moids to be ingrates. Those women they cheat against are genuinely hard working and gracious people who don't deserve to be publicly mocked like this. I can only imagine giving up so much of my life just for a chance to win only for it to be stolen. Being able to play in your choice of professional sports is not a human right. It is a right afforded to women and only women because they deserve to have a choice. Talk about first world problems to complain about an event made for women not catering enough to men. Not everyone gets to play professional sports. It is a privilege and not a right. They're so god damn pig-headed that they won't listen to anyone telling them that. They just want special treatment. To reiterate, I'm jealous they even have the physical ability to do basic physical things they take for granted as able bodied men on top of being able to compete in sports with other men. I'm convinced that the men in dresses who can't win against other men just aren't trying hard enough. Maybe if they dye their protein shakes pink it'll be gender affirming enough for them to nut up and compete with the men.

No. 20167

also coming to blogpost because it isn't milk, but there's this huge hulking white tim at my university i see around campus, and of course I specifically always see him in the compsci/informatics building. Funniest part is he's muslim larping too. I think muslim women are going to be the least tolerant of letting men in their spaces lol so I hope they put him in his place

No. 20168

>>20165
maybe leave your contact info open and one of them may reach out on her own?

No. 20169

It’s kind of wild that a troon I know got a hysterectomy at 20sh and claims it helps her own her parents/not be forced to have children, but you can also just not have kids like any other childfree person who makes the choice without invasive surgery? She’s not even straight either, so it’s not like they are with someone that would even impregnate her. But overall the biggest punch that she failed to mention in her posts about it that blew up is that her mom was adopted. It just comes off as jumping the bandwagon to try to be as “trans” as possible.

No. 20170

>>20165
Do it nona! I just heard someone say you can't actually change a cult from within, your ONLY option is to leave. It's the same with your friends, they're part of a cult and IF they leave it will be on their own and only then can you go back to being friends. They're already siding with awful abusers, pedos and fetishists… simply because they said they're women now. That's all it took! They're not good people to be around. Imagine if you have kids and they agree to watch them (or you could already have kids I don't know your age or life lol) but they wouldn't even think twice to leave your small daughter alone with a euphoria boner hulking cat-ear "woman". If they see the same troon lurking around a daycare they wouldn't care, because "it's just an innocent woman". If they knew an abused woman who's afraid of men they wouldn't warn her if there's going to be a troon present, because again "it's just a poor oppressed trans woman" - they've thrown out all safe guarding for a group of men where sexual crimes are at higher rate than even normal men.
It's time to find better friends.

No. 20171

>>20166
Same nona! Sport troons don't care about the sport or even about winning (because then they'd want a fair game or it's not a win - like beating a toddler in chess isn't fulfilling) all they care about is humiliating and beating women

No. 20173

my best friend from middle school is now going by he/him/they/them pronouns even though they do nothing to present as male. it's so embarrassing and i cannot bring myself to talk to them anymore as i feel like im constantly walking on eggshells. i hate this ideology so much, i just miss my friend and wish she would stop embarrassing herself.

No. 20174

some anons are so ignorant when it comes to troons, especially tifs. you'd think glancing at the tif thread would keep them informed but I guess that's not what they read here. they have this vision of it being "not that bad", but no it IS that bad

No. 20176

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I really fucking hate troons

No. 20177

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No. 20178

>>20176
Sounds like sex cult brainwashing, where women are told they must fuck random men they don't want for the greater good. Like the Children of God cult.

No. 20182

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>>20161
I deliberately do this so they know that I always think of them as women (or men if I’m doing it to TIMs).

Either I’ll say, “she goes by they/them” when I know they can hear me or I’ll “forget” what her pronouns are (“she—sorry, THEY. THEY. Not she. They. Oh my god I’m so sorry, I keep forgetting it’s they”) to troll them without normies calling me twansphobic kek

No. 20183

>>20182
Based

No. 20185

I realized today that the people I know IRL that trooned both have some severe illness or neurodivergence
>TIM, super morbidly obese since childhood, obsessively religious and coddling parents, obvs closeted gay and permavirgin because of their size
>TIF, fluctuated from obese to anorexic, overly coddled by parents, too autistic to have a normal job, bullied in school but also developed a massive superiority complex to normies, addicted to internet microblogging communities, loves using their poor health to earn attention being a victim

No. 20187

>>20176
>you don't HAVE to to be sexually attracted to someone in order to have sex with them
Ok homophobic rapist but maybe ask yourself WHY you're trying so damn hard get people who do not want to have sex with you to still have sex with you. Is it perhaps because you're a nasty piece of shit who lacks respect for even basic boundaries? Hmm…

No. 20188

>>20182
Based kek I love sneaky terfing

I don't even sneak around with it, I always misgender troons around normies as soon as the troon is out of the room kek "HE's trans so HE goes by she/her sometimes. Anyway HE said this….) so far I've been called out 0 times and they just go along with it and use he/him since we're talking about a man. It's a lot more clear what we're talking about when I say "He calls himself a lesbian and expects lesbians to somehow sleep with him"

No. 20189

>>20185
Weird how that's always the case huh it's never mentally stable happy people who troon out, is it?

No. 20190

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>>20161
Idk if this is the right thread for it but since Izzy is an enby I hope it's ok for me to complain about her here.

She keeps they/theming herself in videos and it's as cringe as it sounds. We get it, you think you're not like the other girls. It sounds stupid and confusing when she adds "they said" literally about herself just to flaunt her totally real and valid nonbinary-ness. Despite all the makeup you're fucking see-through girl.

Watched one of her videos now and she is calling out a discord for being toxic becuase one person clearly used board speak calling herself an "oldfag". She's pretending it's just a slur like she hasn't been on these nerdy boards a billion times to scope out info for videos and knows that it's just board culture. She's so two-faced and performative. But I guess that's typical of girls like her who think they're not even girls, since girls are too icky and boring (unlike her!!!1!).

I miss quirky girls who were just quirky and not fucking deluded from ideologies.

No. 20193

>>20176
>>20177
I really fucking hate people who say sex is an activity. We're not baboons or bonobos, sex has consequences, and the entire rambling this person posted sounds so fucking rapey and preachy too, these people shouldn't have a platform to begin with. It angers me so much.

No. 20194

>>20190
>She's so two-faced and performative. But I guess that's typical of girls like her who think they're not even girls, since girls are too icky and boring (unlike her!!!1!).
All they\thems are like this

No. 20195

>>20193
yeah and if it was "just an activity" no one starts arguing that you should have sex with people you aren't into without being a massive fuckin mentally ill creep

No. 20196

>>20194
>All they\thems are like this
Honestly anytime I see a bad take on any social media platform it's from a trans person (typically male), like clockwork. The only good thing about it is that you can spot that people have worms for brains before even interacting with them just from seeing pronouns in their bio. The more tags and pronouns the worse the person are. It's like they can't even pretend to be good reasonable people.

No. 20198

Not a rant but two of my (female) coworkers peaked and it was such a relief to hear their opinions on how things are starting to go too far. I work in a fairly left-leaning area so I wasn’t expecting that at all

No. 20199

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>>20198
NTA but same with my workplace… I live in a northeast city that has a mix of OTT liberal progressives, conservatives, and normies, and I work in an environment of all women and one normie gay man… it’s genuinely my safe space.
Our manager is in her 40’s/50’s and she has no filter, which makes it so me and the other zoomers/zillenials can say shit like, “Did you see that guy in a dress? He creeped me out” without worrying about getting fired kek

No. 20200

>>20198
Good to hear it nona!! Make sure to agree and join in every time you hear them talk about it to let them know they're right to question it all

No. 20201

Someone tried starting shit with me on twitter over the most average opinion ever, I checked the profile out and of course it's an autist troon… who regularly wears a female "anime" face mask, and he wears it out to events among people and real girls. I'm so horrified and digusted. I've never blocked anyone so fast nonas

No. 20205

This is an apology to the trans woman who trusted me with his selfie years back before I had peaked. I said you were cute, but that was a massive lie. I'm sorry I lied to your face when you looked like absolute shit and you were lightyears away from ever passing. I always saw you as the man you are even when I was being a handmaiden ally. I genuinely feel bad that I just played into your mentally sick delusions. I can only hope I didn't push you further into harming both yourself and all real women. Lying was wrong, playing along was wrong. Sorry.

No. 20207

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>Terfs are Nazis
>Not learning about what gay people had to endure during WWII and even after, only to learn it from Youtube.

Do they really think the SS would have let lesbians join their army against poor trans women?

No. 20212

Anyone else had disappointing interactions with people who are against all the trans stuff but for shallow reasons?
For example, I was talking to a friend who was also partial to making fun of troons but who then said it wouldn't be an issue if/when technology is advanced enough for them to magically morph into indistinguishable XX women. I argued that it's still awful even if they weren't hideous and mutilated, because they're predatory and fetishistic men on the inside, and just kinda got
>wow anon you're taking this really seriously I didn't want to have a discussion about this
in response. I just find it disheartening when people are apparently only troubled by trannies for being grotesque and apparently don't care anymore if they "pass"

No. 20215

>>20212
I think they shut down the discussion because you really had a valid point to something they hadn't thought about. They may have been hurt in the moment but it's given them a new perspective.
But I also don't think they were necessarily just being shallow either. I'm saying this because as I read your post "magically turn into the other sex" sounds like an ideal solution that trans people would want. Obviously impossible, but as a magic thought-experiment it works. I don't think I would have thought of it much further than that and gone "sure IF they could magically actually change sex that wouldn't be an issue" but your argument shuts that down because as you said they'd still be the same person at heart - a gross predatory AGP fetishist who only did it for a fetish. Suddenly I can now see that "what if we turned all these sexist predatory men into sexist predatory women and allowed them into women's spaces" isn't actually a good solution on any level. I'm by no means a shallow transphobe either, I just wouldn't have thought of it further! I'm actually happy you posted it for the extra perspective (and so I can shut the argument down too if it ever comes up!)

I think if you keep being nice to the person and just lightly encourage and peak them they'll come around. Like instead of JUST shutting them down and disagreeing you can soften it by going "yeah that's a good point, that would have worked! ….although maybe it wouldn't really be a good thing for a predatory man to be turned into a predatory woman for a fetish after all oh well it was a nice thought".

No. 20216

>>20212
Yeah, I know lolcow isn't a feminist site, just feminist (or more likely misandrist adjacent). But I still get disappointed how some anons are stuck with beauty culture. Some even have TRA levels of wanting to control how other people think when they're into unhealthy shit, kek.

No. 20219

A big fuck you and go to hell to every single "lesbian" with a troon boyfriend I've ever had the displeasure of meeting, both online and irl. Especially the ones that called themselves butch/femme couples. I wish I had been more confident in the past and told them to fuck off right away but I had just come out and thought every single thing I said or did was problematic. Now I don't talk to any of these people and I have no idea what I'd do if I met someone like this again. The nerve of it is astounding. I don't know how they're not more ashamed of themselves.

No. 20221

>>20219
They're all wanna-be oppressed handmaidens so they're thrilled to be able to call their straight boyfriend a girl and themselves a lesbian. I think calling them out for lying and being straight people larping as gay will make them call you a transphobe in the moment… but then the second they inevitably break up and she'll look for reasons to blame him she might remember and tell herself "HE insisted and made me lie about being a lesbian" and it will push her into peaking. Idk I'm being too optimistic but I've seen so many loser ex bf stories and people who used to be handmaidens who didn't realize until afterwards what was really going on

No. 20315

>>20219
I pity dated a troon during my handmaiden days. It was mostly long distance so I was in that stupid relationship for almost two damn years. I feel so hard for handmaiden lesbians who were like me, with 0 boundaries and TRAs screeching “TRANS WUMEN WOMUN!!”. It could have been worse but I feel so retarded for lying to myself.

No. 20323

On my studies I had to chose a second language and chose one I didn't learn before (beside trying on my own since a few months). Today after the second class I resigned from that and I'll change the group. One reason is my level is not high enough yet to actively participate in the class but the second one is a TIF in the class.
There's this student who's female too but she goes by a name of a certain star (I mean astronomical object here) and demands to be called by that name and male pronouns. She has no pride or troon merch but it's obvious she's a TIF when she speaks. Unfortunately, the teacher uses that name when speaking to her or referring to her and addresses her in male form.
Today after the class I stayed for a while alone with the teacher (also a woman) and explained why I want to change groups: because of my level and because of feeling worse due to what's happening with that TIF. I explained to her it seems irrational to me and I have trauma from school when I was groomed by certain peers and teachers into supporting the trans thing (long story short: there was a TIF student too that others had to address by male name; used to be my friend but I realized how fucked up it was). I told her this situation makes me anxious because many young people nowadays have mental health issues and they deserve real help instead of their delusion being validated. I also mentioned the issues associated with transgenderism like cases of abuse, men being able to access sex-segregated spaces of women, the general irrationality of that etc. Luckily this discussion went better than I expected. Maybe it's also good I don't live in a country where troons rights are endorsed (however, I live in a big and rather Liberal city so it's a mixed bag and queer activism is big in certain circles). However, I wasn't really satisfied by this talk. The teacher listened to me and she said how she thinks I might not be fully right. She said she knows the controversial troon things from media very well (crimes, etc.) but maybe it's not that bad if addressing someone in a desired way makes them feel better. She thought so. And then when I said I met trans people myself, irl and online and I read a lot about it and their community she mentioned knowing trans people too, also in the past among the students of our university. Her stance was basically that it's not a probelm to speak to someone as they want to. She also said she doesn't make a difference if some student is a man or a woman, all that matters to her is that we'll participate in the class and do our assignments. She didn't really care when I briefly mentioned that the guy who made the troon flag is problematic and that he's quite really a pedophile and yet no one wants to mention the problematic origins of the troon community (other than this flag too of course).
Near the end I went on telling how it's still not right for me and even if I knew this language more than I currently do, I wouldn't go to a class that makes me feel that way it does. I told her it's not acceptable for me and I need to protect my peace of mind too.
I decided to change groups for sure to get away from that situation and she was OK with it as it was my decision. But I'm still bitter than even though otherwise she seems like a nice, kind and funny woman she's such a massive handmaiden. Absolutely outraged me today and made me feel despair for what awaits my uni and region/country in the future.

No. 20327

I just found out a troon I met at an anime convention who made me uncomfortable is infamous online and even had a lolcow thread, I'm in shock, I never thought I'd run in to a real life cow (or bull rather)

No. 20328

>>20323
Despite her being a handmaiden right now just talking to her and bringing those things up might make her curious enough to look more things up and peak. She could have gone full terf a year from now, you never now what seeds you planted

No. 20332

>>20315
>It could have been worse but I feel so retarded for lying to myself.
You did end up coming to your senses and peaking though, don't be so hard on yourself. I used to pretend troons totally looked like women and no one could ever tell (tumblr told me this so it must be true) and I'd argue with my conservative friend about it. We're still friends and I've admitted to beign wrong about it all now of course lol

No. 20338

>>20315
Ayrt because I also used to be a handmaiden and feel similarly about it, guilty and stupid for being so easy to manipulate. The women I'm talking about had a past history of regular "cis" boyfriends that I ignored because "some lesbians are late bloomers". All of them were in irl relationships and spoke about having an active sex life. I am fairly confident that you are two entirely different classes of people and I don't hold any ill will towards you. I'm sorry my post brought up bad memories.
>I feel so hard for handmaiden lesbians
Most of us are fucking desperate for any semblance of community or acceptance so it's easy for them (predatory straight people) to take advantage of this. It's so fucked up. I always felt so out of line and like I was unwelcome in my own "community", I thought it was because I was holding onto my family's conservative beliefs and that I just needed to try harder to integrate. Now I know it was just regular homophobia.

No. 20340

>>20328
I want to believe she might change, it would be great, but how I know that will happen? She said to me she knows very well of trans crimes, troons participating in women's sports and the main controversial issues and yet she choses to "respect" them. Idk what she will do with the informations I gave her. When I was speaking about some stuff I had in mind some Reduxx articles I read but not sure if she's going to discover them as she mentioned one day not knowing English as good as most people do now. I'm worried the anti-trans stuff she might come across will be the usual conservative stuff, not nuanced enough and might not change her. At least for now.

No. 20343

>>20340
Anon you also have to consider if she openly misgenders a trans student she can literally lose her job and get death threats from trans people. To be woke and still know that bad stuff is unusual, so it's possible she knows that stuff from other terf friends who will push it further. Or perhaps she got curious and is only starting to peak. She seems to me to be the kind of person who will jump ship as soon as it becomes more publicly known what the trans cult does to people, but for now she's in the middle. It's extremely rare that someone who has started to see how the trans cult works to get more woke - they always and up peaking more and more.

No. 20344

>>20343
The thing is, I didn't specify yet my country but I will say most people don't accept troons here either. It's a very niche thing although it's growing in popularity with zoomers and LGBTQ and everyone concerned with their affairs knows the topic of course. But I agree that she is in danger if she would protest - at least in danger from some of the other workers.
BTW today I had a joined class with that TIF's group (different subject) and the professor (a different woman) called the TIF a woman and strangely she didn't protest… Maybe she was too scared (the student) but who knows if she's planning to report it somehow or not.
I hope though it's as you say and the first teacher is on her way to peak.

No. 20352

>>20344
I hope the second teacher keeps correctly calling her a she kek

No. 20373

Honestly fuck every spouse and gf/bf whose partner suddenly transes out and they just agree to pretend to now be a gay/queer couple despite not being the brainwashed/pornsick one. Your partner is having a mental crisis and by doing so is being extremely homophobic by insisting your straight relationship is now suddenly gay. It's disgusting and you need to tell them that. If your relationship falls apart because you refuse to pretend to be gay then it was never going to last in the first place because the other person is a delusional mess.

No. 20391

I wish the mass peakening event would HURRY up,
I'm sick of being misunderstood by friends and feeling crazy because I ask questions about my beliefs.
One of my friends grilled me on my views with barely any attempts to understand where I'm coming from, and now I've probably lost a precious friend, I feel so numb and alone.

No. 20393

>>20391
Probably not so precious if she does that to you on the basis of an ideology that doesn't even apply to her. When I had a discussion with an online friend who argued that trans people shouldn't be viewed with scorn because "they don't hurt anyone", she was very receptive to information proving the contrary, and did not lash out at me whatsoever. And this isn't a "dear lifelong friend", she was just an online friend. You deserve better. If not trans ideology, be assured that that friend would be throwing you under the bus for some other popular ideological belief vaguely based in virtue or virtue-signalling. Are her priorities not clear?

No. 20396

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Only trannies can say the most pedophillic pornsick shit and get away with it. Imagine the outrage if a female artist wrote this

No. 20397

>>20396
Major projection kek. These trannies refer to themselves as "girls" and dress like little dolls.

No. 20398

>>20396
I have been wanting to a-log all morning after seeing people online saying he "ate" and clapping for this freak.

No. 20399

>>20396
I don't know how this isn't mass peaking people tbh. It's literally just a pathetic male who plays dress up and larps as a tumblr girl throwing a jealous fit that the straight men he wants prefer cute, delicate women even if they have pubic hair so he's calling them "beasts" and "slugs" in attempt to make them seem gross.
Also:
>"stop trying to punch down"
>is literally a man telling the uppity, non-submissive women he doesn't like to shut the fuck up
kek he's right, he is having a "MALE MOMENT"

No. 20400

>>20391
Agreed. It's wild that we have to censor ourselves because of how many people have bought into the delusion that men in wigs = real women. I was recently speaking to a friend who I peaked and she was saying she could never talk about any of this (and "this" was pretty mild, mostly pointing out how misogynistic the whole TRA movement is) in front of her other friends because they'd dump her for being transphobic. It's sad that women will go to bat for fetishist men instead of hearing other women out about their concerns. At least those of us here know you aren't crazy and I'm sure some women IRL just hide their true feelings on the matter.

No. 20402

I'm sick of every single hobby or interest group being taken over by troons. When do you guys honestly think this whole opinion shift on genderism is going to happen? I can't take it anymore it's like trying to dance around flat earthers or young earth creationists. Even normie clubs are full of clueless "progressive" handmaidens in my country. Is critical thinking dead

No. 20403

>>20396
who is this scrote and why does he keep getting posted? this is the same as what every other transwomen says.

No. 20408

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>>19984
Guess what, it’s me again, with another story about how all troons are the same, except I’m still friends with the TiF in this story, because unlike the male troon, she hasn’t called me a terf or done shitty sassy vague tweets. Here goes nothing:
>be good friends with tif
>she they non binary who lets strangers “she” her because she knows she looks and speaks entirely female, but requests getting they themed by friends
>however unlike most she theys, she’s actually a bisexual butch, with a lean for women, and actively gnc, which we bond over
>very self aware for a she they, knows her biological sex, relates to experiences of womanhood, even more of an avid man criticiser than I am, understands desistance and why gender is personally upsetting
>despite all this still a they, cannot comprehend it but comply with request because we actually have very interesting discussions on a myriad of topics, share music etc
>self aware enough she makes fun of an ex friend ftm troon who was in her own words “a little bitch boy” and “his entire identity was being trans”
>end up discussing identity surprisingly little
>still easily the most sane person of gender I have ever interacted with
>still an archetypal tumblrina like most of them are though- unironically into supernatural and destiel, musical theatre kid
>discussing same sex attraction/sexual orientation shit
>says she thought she was a lesbian and was confused about it. Relate to that, as I was also fed the “bisexual is being on the fence” line
>says its was actually because she can’t “conceptualise herself as a woman in a relationship with a man”
>it suddenly dawns on me that this is all internalised misogyny, even though she’s told herself otherwise, because the reason she can’t “conceptualise herself as a woman in a relationship with a man” is because the woman is conceived as inferior in most heterosexual relationships, and her solution to this was not going “oh well I will try to find a decent moid and kick him to the curb if he’s an asshole” or “well I will date mostly women despite being bisexual” (she’s a kissless virgin because autist, which may be part of tiffery) but “I will change my gender that will surely work”

This happened two days ago, but I’m still thinking about it. I have known Ye Olde HSTS transexuals that I’m not nearly as troubled by, but at this point I genuinely wonder if there is a single troon that doesn’t end up proving belonging to the autism, porn sickness, self hatred, escapism, or a combination thereof mold (including me before detrooning). It fucking breaks my brain. How can there be a demographic where every single member is so homogeneous despite varying degrees of self awareness. Fucking mind boggling. I still like her, but I feel like I need a couple days to process this.

She also got upset cause of a schizo rant I did about most autist nerd women like me succumbing to nonbinaryism. Like, you want to relate to me as a woman despite disowning your womanhood? Make up your mind!!! I don’t understand the thought process here!!! If you’re not a woman how am I supposed to relate to you woman to woman???
It’s so hard to find female videogame loser nerds nowadays. I’m fucking despairing nonas

No. 20409

>>20396
I’m so glad I have coarse hairs on my pussy that I was born with rather than having a Cronenbergian pus oozing flesh construct haphazardly carved in by a back alley Thailand butcher, a fact that makes this moid seethe so hard he feels compelled to make a pornsick post rambling about it like he’s having a stroke. My pussy will always exist there, without effort, and he’ll keep shitting himself in envy, and so it shall always be. Gotta love it

No. 20410

>>20396
Seeing the amount of handmaidens defending him and yass queen'ing him is depressing. This being one of the few websites where people can call out his posts for what they are freely (misogynistic) makes me feel so lonely and hopeless.

No. 20411

>>20393
Her stance is that everyone should be able to identify as whatever they please, and express themselves however they want. She would tell me it hurts no one to share and call people what they want to be called. But when I brought up issues like sports and single sex spaces she either says she doesn't care or that I am prejudiced for generalising.

Of course in an ideal world we could identify and transform into whatever we wish and I am all for people being their authentic selves, but I'm saddened that expressing concerns on how it may affect or contradict other things and pointing out scientific facts is 'wrong' and 'bigoted'. Even when I am sympathetic towards people who do do identify as trans. It honestly feels like we are speaking two different languages.

I am terrified of expressing these thoughts to any of my other friends, I know everyone in my social and professional circles believes in this trans stuff. It may be cowardly but I don't think I can handle being ousted by everyone.

No. 20415

sage for non milk but random tinfoil. I was on the clock app and ran into another tim model named dalton dubois who was on the runway for diesel. It made me think about this boom in tim models being shilled everywhere like (referring to last name) jones, manson, schafer, consani, etc. and how in a way this might be the start of history repeating itself, specifically in ancient greece where in plays it was only men who got to hold female roles while the women were expected to be barefoot and pregnant. Men get to/are encouraged to woman face while women are pushed to the wayside. I also noticed a pattern of male designers propping up tims but not female designers like sandy liang, simone rocha, iris van herpin, etc. and I hope they don't cave in. Support female designers! Feel free to call me a retard for the tinfoil, I hope i'm not right and just a retard too

No. 20417

>>20408
>How can there be a demographic where every single member is so homogeneous despite varying degrees of self awareness
Mentally sane people don't think they are something they physically aren't (or that they're not what they are). That just doesn't happen, they're incompatible. You ONLY get mentally ill trans people, there is no other variation, and they've all been fed the same lies that made them trans. We've known for a long time that mental illness is socially contagious.

No. 20418

>>20415
honestly i wouldn't underestimate men's homophobia and the outrage they'd cause if all the women were replaced by men. part of the reason troons exist is because they're all raging homophobes, they've done nothing no lessen the homophobia in society and have only made it grow more

No. 20421

I cant wait for the mass peak event. I already feel like most normies are peaked but too afraid to say anything bc of the rabid gendie mon

No. 20423

>>20421
I REALLY want to believe we are starting to feel the winds of change, even if it comes in the form of occasional weary sighs. Some people I know that would vehemently defend troons are now instead kinda physically twisting and turning and not giving straight answers when caught in any conversation that isn't 100% pro the gender identity madness, they are obviously not fully peaked but they are probably at least starting to question parts of it or at least getting closer to the fence. And once the questioning of their ideals starts it's usually just a matter of time until they peak. Hell, one friend that is still extremely pro-troon actually made a joke about men pretending to be women to get into female spaces, it was the most self-aware I've heard her sound when it comes to gender politics in years.

No. 20424

>>20421 >>20423
Hopefully, sometimes I loose hope though. Like yesterday on tiktok I saw a random non influencer girl who was in some funny video dog piled on the accusation that she’s twansphobic and that she said that she doesn’t support Tim’s in female sports and spaces, but with no proof video or screenshot. And the few people that did go like wait…..I that’s not a bad take were also dogpilled. The girl that was accused though is taking the high road in telling these tra’s to touch grass and not apologizing which I like to see. But seeing the rage at even the accusation of being a terf was disheartening but maybe in a sense that could peak people idk

No. 20426

>>20421
As soon as normal people hear what troons say and do they're against it. It takes grooming to become a handmaiden and most adults aren't primed for it like kids who spend hours on tiktok, or coomer moids who spend it on hypno porn.
>>20423
>Some people I know that would vehemently defend troons are now instead kinda physically twisting and turning and not giving straight answers when caught in any conversation that isn't 100% pro the gender identity madness
I love that, you can see their brain gears turn kek. I hope you're gently encouraging them to peak more!
>>20424
The biggest change isn't tiktokers… it's that real life pediatricians and therapists are starting to speak out, trans health care clinics for kids are now closing because of the risk of getting sued by the kids later on, laws are made to stop trans people from playing in women sports etc… the changes are happening!

No. 20427

>>20415
>sage for non milk but random tinfoil
this is a vent thread, no need for milk just scream and spam your heart out

No. 20429

>>20426 looking back on what you said you’re right, it’s just that my angle with the tik tok thing is that there is still a lot of room for peaking to happen socially. Glad that systematically this troon shit is starting to get shut down, I wonder though if it would make the cult even more violent as a result to see their kingdom fall. It would be nice to see some autogynophiles in the U.S gov like Richard Levine fall out.
>>20427 I copy pasted my vent from almost posting to the Tim thread on snow which is why I said I don’t have milk but opted to post here instead, but Ty for letting me vent

No. 20430

>>20426
>I love that, you can see their brain gears turn kek. I hope you're gently encouraging them to peak more!
I usually don't really do or say much, I sometimes play dumb and ask questions or simply speak on my stance on slacktivism. When people start to realize that the stands the movement takes keeps contradicting itself, and that it's not even a matter of different people having different views but actually one and the same person saying one thing followed by something that doesn't comply with their previous take, the headscratching will do most of the work for me. And if they still stand wholeheartedly with troons despite it all they're not much to keep anyway.
Tbh I don't really expect anyone that has peaked at any level to become terfs or fully adopt my views and opinions, I'm happy if they just realize how weird it all is, are realistic about the dangers of playing too much into their delusions and - most importantly of all imo as things stands right now - are simply just not scared to voice their opinions on it, even if it's behind closed doors.

No. 20433

Maybe it comes across as me not being different from gendies by “getting a kick out of “”confusing people””, but I dress extremely masculine and go by a stereotypically male name irl. Around fandom spaces where Aidens populate, they immediately ask for my pronouns or outright assume “male” (understandable because of the name I use), but I like seeing their faces when I go “oh, no, I’m a woman.” Like, they preach ‘don’t assume gender!” ‘things aren’t a binary!’ But they’re shocked when a woman acts ‘unwomanly’ and doesn’t jump to another stereotype-based category.
And when the topic of “what’s up with your name though? I feel like I’m misgendering you haha!’ comes up, I go “I just don’t believe doing things stereotypically associated to men (even wanting to use a masculine name) makes you actually a man, I’m just a woman who does what I want.” I can tell some of those people kind of have a lightbulb moment. It’s very delulu of my part but I hope it gets someone to think one day. Or maybe I’m not doing nothing lol.

No. 20435

>>20402
I feel this so hard, it's taken over all of my hobbies. I grew up in a rural community where my family were the only nonreligious ones and everyone thought we were bad people on principle and I had to deal with teachers asking me why I hated Jesus in elementary school and shit. It makes me so sad that the skeptical and progressive online communities I used to find refuge in were the same thing all along with a different religion.

At this point, I'm not optimistic that there even will be a shift in opinion. People just keep proving that critical thinking goes out the window the moment the bullshit is coming from someone they like.

No. 20436

>>20433
>But they’re shocked when a woman acts ‘unwomanly’ and doesn’t jump to another stereotype-based category.
I don't think thinking it's fun to "confuse people" for a second like that is wrong in of itself, but gendies have this smug idea that they ARE the opposite sex, or both, or sexless, etc… which they clearly aren't. So it's just not the same because they get off on a delusion, while someone like you is just playing with stereotypes. You're also directly proving their ideology wrong in a realistic way.

>>20435
>I had to deal with teachers asking me why I hated Jesus in elementary school and shit
lol I'm from scandinavia and I've only met a handful of religious people here in total, ever. It's even a kid "joke" here to as soon as anyone uses an expression like "omg" the kid will smugly go "I don't believe in god" as some kind of "gotcha". I've noticed so many detrans (and who are still trans) people come from very religious upbringings, I think religion primes people for non-critical thinking and believing in unscientific things, and that it has greatly contributed to the trans movement.

No. 20437

>>20430
>Tbh I don't really expect anyone that has peaked at any level to become terfs or fully adopt my views and opinions, I'm happy if they just realize how weird it all is
Me too nona. I genuinely just want them to stop literally mutilating and harming children and mentally ill people, and to get keep men out of women's spaces for now.

No. 20438

>>20437
>I genuinely just want them to stop literally mutilating and harming children and mentally ill people
The sick thing is even suggesting we pause or delay* these things just to make sure the person is REALLY sure makes them fume with anger and call you a nazi bigot. They're so hell-bent on harming people, it's honestly really scary. It scares me that the phrase "trans women are women" made people more than willing to harm real women, even though they all KNOW those men aren't women. Ideologies are scary.

*I don't think anyone should actually be allowed to "transition", they could be allowed to make some body modifications but it doesn't in any way relate to them "becoming" another sex or person, nor does it allow them access to other spaces, and them understanding that and making the decision while they're mentally well and adults is vital.

No. 20440

>>20435
"Peaking" reminds me so much of when I started not believing in God as a teenager. The whole concept of a gender identity is religious and belief-driven. Gendies will know this deep down which is why they manipulate people to believe you are an evil bigot for not believing a man is a woman.

No. 20443

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What is happening in Palestine/Israel is horrible, but treating USA like "the unsafest place for trannies" is funny but not ha-ha funny.

No. 20444

Sometimes I wish I could unpeak and just be brain dead, clapping like a seal for troon stuff like the others. But I know I can't unsee it all and I truly don't wish to unknowingly and accidentally support the awful harm of children they're doing. If they knew they wouldn't either, but they're too far into the ideology to listen to reality. Being peaked in a woke space is just so uncomfortable and depressing

No. 20446

I keep overhearing, especially teens talking about how they are hust going along with trannies bc they dont want backlash, and that they will never view them as women/men, but are just being polite.

No. 20448

>>20446
Where do you overhear them?

No. 20450

File: 1697771501454.png (15.61 KB, 700x182, oral to women cunningulus.png)

>How to perform oral sex on women
>"the act of performing oral sex stimulation on people or bodies with vulvas"

PICK ONE!

I couldn't remember the name of oral sex on women, that's why

No. 20453

>>20446
I've heard parents say that their teen kids said similarly. They'll use pronouns "to be nice" but they don't see it as changing anything. They think like "that girl uses he/him" and "that boy wants to be called she/they/them".

No. 20455

>>20446
i have the same anecdote. not really the young teens demographic but all of my friends are like this and we're 19/20, they'll use preferred pronouns/gendered terms because they don't want to cause conflict or seen as transphobic irl but in private they'll make fun of trannies and see them as their sex. some adults online post about how their kids think it's dumb but have to go along with it. this is probably the case for most normie zoomers, only troons and TRAs/handmaidens delude themselves

No. 20456

>>20448
Just out in public, like on the train or cafés

No. 20457

>>20450
>people OR bodies
..Zoophilia? Necrophilia?

No. 20462

>>20440
Yeah, I do think you have to believe insome level of spirituality in order to buy into people just being "born" into the incorrect body, i have get to see a neurological study of the differences between cis and trans individuals that accounts for a) neuroplasticity re: socialization/conditioning and b) a difference between innate gender incongruency vs simply having basic body image issues.
I'd genuinely like to see a comparison between the brains of people who suffer from body dysmorphia and those who are trans to conclusively prove whether or not transgenderism is just a subset of body dysmorphia TBH but I don't think a neutral study would ever fly as the question itslef would be considered transphobic.
And at the end of the day, that's the root of the issue, isn't it? The trans issue is so dogmatically policed that true scientific inquiry into its actual validity is not permitted. To circle back to you comparison, it really does throw back to the time when you'd get persecuted by the church for studying the curvature of the Earth.

No. 20465

>>20456
I hope people keep gossiping about it out and about so TRA and troons who are out and about hear it first hand

No. 20466

>>20462
>TBH but I don't think a neutral study would ever fly as the question itslef would be considered transphobic.
Yeah, reminder that trans people have been shutting down even "neutral" studies on trans people for at least a decade. Studies that in theory would actually help trans people, but it would also expose things like them not literally being the other sex, nor more similar to it, and that AGP is a fetish etc. AGPs in particular are really aggressive in shutting down studies on AGPs of course.

No. 20474

>>20057
One of my favorite series, I won't reveal the name of it, has a side character that had to disguise herself as a man because of plot reasons. The story takes place in the 17th century where this is incredibly common. Because she tells people to refer to her as a man TIFs keep screeching how she's great trans rep. Some of them even recommend the series to each other just because of the trans character not because they're not interested in the plot. Tims are degenerate but I dont give a shit about moids, meanwhile Tifs are so misogynistic and homophobic even in a subtle way. Whenever I see one suggesting that women are superficial beings which is why they aren't one, I want to a-log. They support Tims even though Tims hate their guts, while throwing women under the bus.

No. 20485

>>20450
>"very simply put"
>overcomplicates it to the point where it is nonsensical and meaningless

No. 20487

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Good try, bro, but back then parents would beat their kids if they were gay. Now parents try to make their kids trans so they couldn't have gay childre- wait.

No. 20488

>>20474
I don't know if we are in the same country, but 10 years ago there was a tv soap opera called "Pampa Ilusión" about a company town dedicated to extraction of saltpeter and all the problems that lead to the decline of its sale thanks by the invention of synthetic alternatives.

Anyway, there was a character called Inés Clark that discovers the reason of the exile of her dad, so to avoid to be arrested, she disguises herself as a male doctor, in an era that there was still misogyny and all. I think everybody that calls her a "TRANS REPRESENTATION" are spiting in the face of many women that had to disguise themselves as men or use male nicknames to do works that they were forbidden to.

No. 20495

Sometimes I wonder what would have happened if I was just a better friend. I guess I don't really miss her that much because it's been such a long time. We used to be best friends. We were too young to know what was really happening around us. I didn't understand what was happening to her at that age. I knew what sexual abuse was but I didn't understand the subtleties until much much later. I don't think I could've done anything to save her. I didn't understand the warning signs. Both tifs I knew growing up had really messy home lives and one of them was abused a lot. The other was more sheltered and upper class but had to deal with severe emotional abuse from a man who treated young girls like they're his personal therapists and emotionally blackmails them to make him feel better about himself. Funnily enough, I think if he had survived he might have trooned too since he always had the tim warning signs with being a spicy straight, pretending to be feminine to disarm people and being an emotionally blackmailing narcissist. Thank god he died I don't think I could have dealt with an abuser who threatened to kill me fucking trooning out and pretending to be a perfect delicate flower absolved of all wrongdoing. Whenever a tif troons out it's because she was abused and treated like shit as a child. Whenever a man troons it's to get away with abuse or for narc fuel. And as an aside I really hate seeing young school age boys being trooned out. It's a form of conversion therapy and unfortunately people can be very cruel to gay people. Their parents probably want to spare themselves the embarrassment of a gay kid so they'd rather have a mutilated one instead. The parents are often religious conservative nutjobs. I hate the people who proudly brag that they'd disown their kid if he or she was gay. Conservatives, fundies, and trads are fully condoning this child abuse and mutilation cult behind closed doors.

No. 20496

>>20487
The real fucked up thing is that they ARE actually doing all that now. It's like trans people heard the accusations and wrote everything down to actually do it.

No matter if the parents were against or supportive of their gay kids, they didn't sterilize them once they found out. They didn't chop off healthy body parts of their kids. They didn't give them drugs to fix their "wrong" gay bodies.

No. 20498

Two troons are talking about bestiality and giving animals prostate exams… we are at a public train station with children around. How is this normal now? How are these porn sick freaks considered the good guys?

No. 20499

>>20496
No, they made them go to Conversion therapies to see "they're straight" or just kick them off their homes. These trannies are lucky people would help them without problems, back then these kids had no one (even after the infamous Riotwall thing).

No. 20500

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I love Eliza Mondegreen, she's a fave terfette of mine to follow. Anyone else have any faves you follow that make you feel better about it all?

No. 20501

>>20500
For context, she went "undercover" to EPATH (European Professional Association for Transgender Health) conference to see what they said.

No. 20516

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I’ve been very quiet and meek about publicly sounding offensive but if they do some shit about Carrie actually being a trans queen I will be so fuckin mad, cause that’s my comfort film and the period bullying scene is something I experienced irl

No. 20517

>>20516
This is one of the only movies that portray a female experience growing up (bullying, periods, being meek and taken advantage of). It is so refreshing but of course troons have to take over any little thing that women find relatable and powerful. It’s really insulting and misogynistic to shoehorn a moid into one of the most iconic female character roles in horror.

No. 20518

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Today I learned about that retarded “I, joan” play written and starred by two trannies that’s basically hamiltonesque fanfic for twanz rights!!!! Where Joan of Arc is a nonbinary transmasc troon and even though I am peaked, it feels sometimes like I reach a new level of despair with these things. Picrel is the repugnant costuming. Sometimes it feels like trannies can reach heights of sex stereotyping that even your average religioid doesn’t reach

No. 20520

>>20517
There are painfully few horror female antagonists. Carrie was a girl that I could relate to, someone who had very female specific religious trauma. I do not want to see this fucking changed into some tranny “the evil terf bullies me so I get revenge” bullshit

No. 20521

>>20518
I see a lot of
"Joan of Arc was a non-binary! She dressed in men's clothing!1! Transmasc!"
When Joan wore men's clothing because it was layered and would take longer for the guards to disrobe her and rape her. It was a deterrent more than anything.

She was a religious fanatic and probably would have had these hedonistic trannys burned at the stake with her. Don't Trannys hate religion? Why do they gotta take one of the few women in history, no matter how religiously insane, and steal her for themselves?

There are some that suggest she wasn't burned at the stake for trying to start rebellions and opposing the English, but because she was a tranny. I shit you fucking not.

No. 20525

I know we're on LC but anons being like "straight men will never be on our side because they all secretly want to fuck troons" they really just sound exactly like troons. People really aren't all secretly thirsting for troon-dicks, like how deranged do you have to be yourself to actually think that? You really have to be chronically online and only lurk porn-addicted spaces to ever come to that conclusion. The trans movement is run with a few powerful AGPs at the top, but we all know most supporters are female handmaidens - not males. We all know half of the TIMs force their way into female spaces to only date real lesbians because not even them want to touch other "lesbian" troons (the other half does end up in gay t4t poly groups tho kek). Men not caring about women's rights because they're sexist, or don't care since it doesn't affect them personally does not equal them wanting to suck troon dick.

No. 20526

>>20516
That's so stupid! It's a movie about female development specifically, most horror movie characters could just swap sex and it would change nothing of the plot but Carrie is literally centred around her being female. I bet that's exactly why he wants it tho, so he can pretend he relates to "becoming a woman" even though he's a man.

No. 20527

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have some terf shiba anons xoxo

No. 20528

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No. 20529

>>20527
I love how shiba has "she" in the name, makes it the perfect terf dog

No. 20531

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>>20527
>>20528
I love you terf shiba!

No. 20538

>>20521
There are many real people/characters being called non-binary for representation while ignoring the real reason why women or men, in some cases, had to disguise themselves of the opposite sex. The sexism and misogyny and homophobia is rampant in that cult but no one seems to care.

"What do you mean men?" Alan Turing, father of modern computer science, sometimes is called a "trans woman" or "non-binary" because he used hormones treatment and a chemical castration… Except it was against his will and because he was prosecuted in 1952 for homosexual acts, and the hormone treatment was an alternative for going to prison.

No. 20547

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Oh cry me a river, most of you do find that "being trans is cool" or "you don't need surgery to be trans" or use it as fetish.

You made the cake, you eat it.

No. 20548

you know how when people in their 40s-50s get together they start talking about how music these days sucks and they miss the good old days, but then they have to part ways and resume living in the present world with "kids these days and their crappy music"? and they just have to put up with it. this might be a bad analogy but is that all we are? we have a little corner online to talk about how crazy this phenomenon is, but if you actually are outspoken about something that should be obvious, you might put yourself in danger. then you occasionally find someone who thinks the same way and you have to be secretive. i am so sick of people plastering this shit everywhere. i was looking at pictures on an old tumblr account and their most recent post was those run of the mill anti-terf disclaimers i.e. "do not interact if" lame shit. it didnt even have anything to do with the content they were posting, since they mostly reblogged pictures. like no matter what, somebody's coming in to be a stick in the mud by bringing up trans shit. im so sick of it. i dont think the past was ideal but i dont see us moving forward any better. before, it was rampant homophobia and misogyny, now it's covert homophobia and extreme pigeonholing of women into even weirder boxes, all packaged neatly as progressive. is there any indication that the tide is turning and we'll be able to be open and honest without backlash? is the hijacking of feminist spaces by trans activists irreversible?

No. 20554

serious question: why do we not go into troon twitter, reddit, tumblr and shit all over their spaces like they do to ours? i know we just get blocked because women aren’t allowed to speak anywhere, but i think we (as in gc women in general) need to start imposing ourselves on them. if for no other reason than so women who are still handmaidens but starting to side-eye the movement can see that there are TONS of us out here.
i think the main reason they have the upperhand is because they are constantly shouting down women, taking over our spaces, etc and we don’t even really try. we find dark corners and seethe in private. it’s easy for people to think they’re right when theirs are the only voices being heard and the alternative is conservatards. if it weren’t for jkr’s bravery and lc i’d never have peaked.

No. 20556

Troons and handmaidens outnumber us in online spaces and many normies won't support us publicly even if they agree because they're afraid of being called transphobic, losing their jobs/friends, etc. There is maybe some hope on Twitter depending on what circle you're in but Reddit is a lost cause. All the jannies are TIMs with no lives and mod almost every big sub.

No. 20563

>>20554
I agree with you nonnie. why do we let them silence us when we can silence them? raiding here is not encouraged but still…

No. 20570

>>20554
>>20563
You two go ahead and do that then. Just like >>20556 is saying, they and their supporters are everywhere, way more than us and absolutely dangerous when they get their eyes on you. The lengths they are willing to go to figure out your identity and how to absolutely destroy your life because you don't agree that twaw. I'm not taking that risk, but I'm not gonna stop you if you are willing.

No. 20578

Why go through the process of trooning out and destroying yourself if you're just gonna cook and clean for your much older moid? Get pimped out by your moid at parties and clubs? Beg to the world that you could be a house "husband"? Hang around women's spaces and participate in stereotypical feminine hobbies? Play one-up games with other women online like a midwestern housewife who doesn't get out much? Ready to not-all-men at the drop of a hat like other women? Wear skirts, purses, makeup, and dresses? Dare to say that I might not be a woman bc I wear men's clothes on occasion and don't shave? You're gender roles on steroids. You're the keeper and protector of gender roles. You are not changing the world. Your parents are fine with your whole lifestyle but just think you behave a little weird. You're embarrassing.

No. 20580

I’m really worried about my brother trooning out. He’s a NEET with pretty severe autism who spends all his time online and I know for a fact is purchasing sex toys online. He seems like the perfect target for troonery.

Both of my parents are tranny agnostic so I’ve been slowly airing out my grievances with troons to them. I hope that if he ever troons out they tell him no. Personally I want to protect him from the dangers of becoming a TIM but I don’t see him that often and I can’t figure out a way to start the conversation without being super awkward.

No. 20581

>>20580
All I can think of nonnie is for you to go feminist and regularly complain to him about porn and the sexualisation of women is vile and abusive and feminist issues. A big thing with troons is that they are all porn sick. If you can try to help him away from degeneracy maybe it will protect him

No. 20582

Mom came into my room the other day to talk to me about something…
My brother has trooned out and will be coming to thanksgiving as a woman. Typical failmale no life no job no friends terminally online behavior.
She was devastated and says that we need to be supportive to him. She was really upset about not knowing and felt like she is a worse mother because of this and she begged me to not laugh and be supportive when he comes dressed up for Thanksgiving because some of my relatives will probably make negative comments so I have to be supportive. It broke my heart to see how sad she was, saying she didn't even want to go for the meal because she was so nervous about everything and how she would be devastated if anyone said anything about him. I tried to talk to her about all of this sort of stuff and that she doesn't have to stand by and let him chemically castrate himself and be laughed at but she is adamant that we just need to let him be "who he is"

I don't know what to say or do, I feel like I'm just going to burst out laughing when I see him and she will be so hurt. If he follows me to the bathroom I am going fight or flight. I wish mom didn't have to b sad and stressed out over this.

No. 20595

>>20582
I'm so, so sorry for you and your confused mom who obviously loves her son. You don't have to feel obligated to indulge in your brother's LARP. Maybe show your mom some substack articles explaining troonism?

No. 20596

>>20580
Same. Pretty worried about mine. If he does troon I'll just cut him off. He's autistic, loves porn, thinks women live life on "easy mode" because they can just have toms of sex on tinder and falsely accuse guys of rape. He also thinks homophobia is fake and has been openly homophobic in the past and still now doesn't like gay people much. He thinks lesbians have it easy because they can just do porn and is jealous of women because they're in porn. I have kept trying to tell him to stop fucking watching porn and MRA horseshit but he won't listen. He freaked out over being 5'8 and he also just refuses to take care of himself. He's pretty antisocial and practically lives online, has at least 1 irl tim friend. I swear to fucking god he is just about the most susceptible person to this. I'm surprised it's not happened already. I'm already disappointed to have an incel and possibly AGP brother but I don't think I could stand to ever call him a woman. I don't know how he went down the incel MRA pro-porn pipeline other than just porn and internet addiction. He's sick, but he's still my brother. The incel to troon pipeline is real and both us and TRAs at this point acknowledge it.

No. 20598

>>20596
If he troons out you will cut him off. So maybe to him and ask him if he loves you. If he does he needs to stop the porn and mra shit because it's hurting you and if not you don't want to know him any longer. If he does not care just distance yourself so you are ready to go when the inevitable troonage happens. Maybe an ultimatum is a possible solution.

No. 20601

I am currently watching the unpersoning or whatever the fuck of Sarah Brightman on twitter because she's pulled a JKR and dared to like 'transphobic and racist!!!!!!' tweets. Final Fantasy XIV trannies and handmaidens are already doing the whole 'hurr durr Answers and Dragonsong wasn't sung by anybody!!!' shit along the lines of the retarded Hatsune Miku making Minecraft instead of Notch spiel.

Sadly, she took the coward's way out and claimed she was hacked before deleting her socials, so good on her for opting to just avoid this shit, but it would have been far better if she stood her ground. I am already tired of people in my social circle frothing about it, including one handmaiden screeching that Sarah's opinions means that she wanted people to die.

No. 20603

A friend sent me a text privately calling me out for making a joke about having short fingernails as a lesbian earlier today in a group chat that contains zero trans people

God I can't wait for the day when I no longer have to walk on eggshells 24/7 because of this nonsense

No. 20604

>>20603
What was the rationale for calling you out? I don't get how it'd be inherently exclusionary when TIMs can (be) finger(ed). Even the "lesbians having short nails jokes are racist against black women because long acrylics" shit makes more sense.

No. 20605

>>20584
>Trannies might try to counter this saying the genocide has happened many times before and that they're lucky it hasn't happened again yet.
Nah they think it's actively happening right now (despite 0 proof of it). They're crazy conspiracy theorists at heart, I mean they even think men can turn into women, they're not known to be the most intelligent and logical people.

Although some of them actually make the argument that the "genocide" is trans people committing suicide, which is so fucking dumb. In that case trans people are the one committing the genocide on themselves kek

No. 20606

>>20554
I support anyone speaking out in public, but I know for a fact that I'll loose my whole online reputation and will get banned everywhere if even just like a tweet about Harry Potter because that's "too transphobic". I hate it and it's dumb as fuck, but I instead make sure to peak every person irl around me and explain and show what they're like online and how brainwashed they are. I've considered making alt terf accounts but I don't have the energy to argue with deluded strangers online when the conversations I have irl have actually made changes in people around me.

>>20582
Nona do everything you can to explain to your mom that it's not her fault and she's a great mom, but that not supporting your brother IS the nice thing to do because he's delusional and on the path to life long medical harm. Tell her you absolutely won't support your brother pretending to be a woman when it puts EVERY real woman in danger to have males around, and that lying to your brother that he can be a woman is cruel because it's NOT true. When she is sad and distressed assure her lying to her son is not the answer, and that you as the daughter turned out just fine so she can't be a bad mom. Show her detrans videos, Benjamin Boyce has plenty of interviews with them on youtube. Maybe get her the book "when kids say they're trans: a guide for parents". Support and peak her. Don't let her become a mom who permanently harmed her own son through letting him transition, she will NEVER fully recover from that. But she can recover from her delusional son hating her in the moment for not giving him what he wants right then and there.
That goes for you too, if you have any kind of love for your brother you can't support him medically harming himself - for the rest of his life.

No. 20607

>>20596
I lucked out so much, I used to also be worried because I also have a loner autist brother but it turns out he fully peaked on his own (he never bought it to begin with) and thinks troons are a potential danger to democracy. My male autist friend on the other hand trooned out (to an enby) and I had to cut that gross moid out of my life because I began to fear he'd actually hurt me through his troonery.

I find the 2 of them an interesting comparison because they happen to be the same age, grown up in the same town/culture with similar lives but they came to the opposite conclusions.
There's a level of autist who really doesn't give a shit what other people think (such as my brother) and who remain factual even if the topic is controversial and the argument is against his own side (he has no problem admitting men are more violent, or the shortcomings of his own autism).
While the other level of autist (such as the enby) is more social and cares a lot what his (99% online) friends think, who is hellbent on supporting the "right side" and "doing what's best for the most people" like he's always trying to appease people and he bends and stretches facts until they're just lies so he can fit them into his own narrative. There's always a kernel of truth in what he says so he can insist to himself that he's being factual and logical when he's not. He thinks he can't ever be wrong because he's too smart.

Sometimes I wonder if a part of the difference is… me. My brother grew up with a loving supportive sister, while the troon did not have any sisters and he hates his family. So my brother knows I'm not living on easy-mode, nor am I a brainless sex object, nor a walking stereotype. Some troons seem to literally never have talked to a female who's not their mom.

No. 20610

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I like to think gays are wearing HP costumes now as a silent sign that they're peaked and sick of troons

No. 20613

Jesus fuck I was looking forward to an actual video of people detailing this common pipeline, only to experience whiplash hearing this girl narrating say "Maybe you're just trans! this is how trans girls describe it!". YOU ARE LITERALLY SEEING IT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES- INCELS ARE BECOMING TRANS WOMEN, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MISS THE PROBLEM THAT YOU ARE LITERALLY WITNESSING!? AAAARG. Stop choosing to believe that these poor misunderstood incels uwu are actually widdle trans women fucking HATE handmaidens.

No. 20614

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>>20610
Imagine being this dense that seeing kids dressed like Hogwarts students for only one night gives you anxiety.

No. 20616

>>20610

I honestly see every normal pride flag and Harry Potter item as a silent protestation, even tho I think most people just aren't online enough to really know what's going on. But it still makes me smile, either they're against all this or just lucky enough to be ignorant about a lot of the BS.

No. 20618

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y’all i’m sitting in my car in my small-town-downtown and there were people passing by in their costumes, so i watched as they did just to see what everyone was. then out of the corner of my eye i see this horrible fucking wig, and as i turn to look closer i realize it wasn’t a man trying to be funny. it was a tranny. two, actually. they were both hobbling down the sidewalk. i took a photo to show my roommate and i didn’t even notice til i opened the photo but look at how this man is wearing his fucking tights LMFAO how retarded do you have to be to let crotch fall in between your thighs and just walk around like that??? the more i look at it the more i realize that the skirt he’s wearing probably wouldn’t even cover his fucking penis from the front. i don’t understand why there are so many trannies in this town i can’t take it anymore nonnas

No. 20619

>>20582
I'm so sorry. I would truly not know how to react in the same situation. He is undeservedly putting your mother through so much,

No. 20622

>>20613
Here's hoping she peaks soon, the more handmaidens expose themselves to incel males (both varieties) the more likely they are to see those males for who they are. I hope she doesn't end up too traumatized though, because sadly, peaking as a handmaiden often involves getting traumatized to some degree.

Also I don't hate them unless they actively spout misogynistic shit at women, in cases like these I think they're just being overly nice and also very naive about male nature. Most of us have made the same mistake before.

No. 20629

>>20614
scary terf kids frightening adult troons kek

No. 20630

>>20618
love it people post and shame their local troons so we can laugh at them too kek
stay safe though nona, glad they didn't catch you sneaking a pic

No. 20632

>>20618

Lamo the gusset on his tights and his actual crotch are in two different time zones. That's so embarrassing- for him tho, I'm having a great time laughing at it kek.

His lumpy pixie friend with prison guard sneakers is pretty funny, too. I wanted to tell a troon in a "normal" outfit that they have a hilarious costume, but I didn't get a chance this year.

No. 20635

>>20630
i was a bit scared for like 1 whole second but the one in the wig kept touching and “fixing” the wig hair as he walked by - which is funny because the whole reason i noticed the shitty wig in the first place was because there was a giant portion of his real, dark hair sticking out on one side of his forehead, hence me originally thinking it was shitty on purpose. i genuinely think the one in the fairy costume was at least mildly retarded so i wasn’t too worried about him lmao

No. 20640

I feel like it is so useless trying to explain gender critical views to gendies, no matter how hard I try it feels like we are speaking two different languages and it is so frustrating.

I really can't wait for this mass stupidity event to be over, but honestly I lose hope that the tide will turn because of how much much tra stuff permeates every single large social media platform.

We really need like a beloved and relatively young celebrity or trendy content creator to speak out against the gender ideology for people to really think critically about it. If it was someone zoomers and millenials looked up to they'd be less likely to dismiss them because they're old or out of touch.

No. 20641

i'm again unable to sleep thinking of all the gross men i knew in the past who i discovered years later that they trooned out and i felt sick. i know what they did but i can imagine they're out there just getting asspats for free and enjoying every second of not being responsible for what they did because "it wasn't really them who did it."
i feel like it should be law that TIM trannies can only date other TIM trannies. they consider themselves "the real deal" so by their flimsy logic, they should have no problem with it. they should not be allowed anywhere near real woman. i don't care what or who they are attracted to. they'll fuck anything

No. 20643

It still fucks me up knowing that the surgeon who did my mastectomy went on to open a clinic with another surgeon who does nullification procedures. I learned this about two years ago while reading through the srs thread on the other farms, and I still think about it every week. It really drove home for me that these people are morally bankrupt. Customers (and we are indeed treated as customers and not patients) can just get their genitals hacked off or scooped out with very little to stop them.

It also fucks me up that when I called the surgery scheduling center to schedule my hysterectomy, they told me "oh, you know they can just do a hysterectomy at the same time as your phalloplasty, so you could have it all done at once". They just fucking assumed that I was all-in on getting an agonizing arm graft genital surgery like it was no big fucking deal. I got the hysterectomy to prevent my uterus from going septic inside me, after years of intense cramps from taking testosterone.

I feel used by the medical system. I feel like I can't trust doctors, I can't trust my own judgement, and I can't even trust the people closest to me because everybody around me had this attitude of "hey, if that's what you feel like you need, go for it". It eats me up inside that other people are going through this, but I'm too ashamed to be public about it. I was an adult when I transitioned, I thought I was making sensible decisions for myself, and I was mislead because it seemed like the entire medical community supported transition for people like me. This whole thing started with me telling a counselor that I had body dysmorphia around my sexed characteristics, and that my personality seemed wrong for my gender. I wish I could take it all back. I want to move on, but trans stuff is everywhere and it's still celebrated, and I can't help but think about everyone who is going to these same clinics and getting the same treatment I did.

No. 20645

The group chat started venting about trannies which shocked me but I didn't join in kek. Why? I guess they're newly peaking and my real views would be too extreme

No. 20646

>>20645
Smart move tbh

No. 20647

>>20643
I’m so sorry all this happened to you. It was terribly disturbing to see that farm thread you’re talking about too re: phalloplasty. I have no idea how can anyone see that as the real thing.

No. 20649

>>20645
You should have joined in! At least say you agree and leave it at that so they don't worry you're a rabid TRA judging them in silence. Just tone down your views a bit until they've peaked more

No. 20650

>>20632
>I wanted to tell a troon in a "normal" outfit that they have a hilarious costume, but I didn't get a chance this year.
I think it's a good comment to make at any troon who's dressed in female clothes. Pretend you're a normie who thinks it's a man doing it as a joke, maybe even throw in a "oh I love men in drag, it's so funny" backhanded compliment as you walk by

No. 20652

>>20640
>I feel like it is so useless trying to explain gender critical views to gendies
It is, because they're in an actual cult nona. It's literally like telling a religious person why you think god isn't real. They're never going to listen to you, they'll only get out if they get curious on their own. Focus your energy on normies/peaked people instead before the cult gets to them too.

No. 20653

>>20641
>i'm again unable to sleep thinking of all the gross men i knew in the past who i discovered years later that they trooned out and i felt sick.
Yeah I found out the people who sexually assaulted me have all trooned out since then and it's gross to think they get praised and protected for being "poor vulnerable women" when they're such pieces of shit who harmed real women

No. 20654

>>20643
Nona please sue the shit out of the people who medically abused you. It's not ok on any level that they took advantage of your distress, or that they keep doing it to others. They're now counting on your silence from shame about the harm (that they caused you) to keep doing it to more people. They're sick and need to be stopped, and you deserve any and all monetary compensation you can get from this abuse. I don't know you but I'm angry on your behalf. I hope you know your life isn't ruined, that you're still worthy of love and happiness but that this shouldn't have happened to you. Please contact all the detrans support groups you can find and ask how to go about suing surgeons and for support. I've shilled genspect and beyond trans before, but please check them out if you haven't.

No. 20655

my boss is being openly transphobic on the phone kek based

No. 20663

Someone wrote “fuck yeah” under radfem graffiti on campus. We’re gonna make it nonnas

No. 20664

>>20647
It is super disturbing to see the surgery results and all the things that can go wrong with it. Patients are basically guaranteed to have at least one complication (urethral stricture or fistula, wound separation, or the tissue straight up dying) and it takes nearly a year to recover from the multiple procedures even if things go right. And it doesn't even look like the real thing. There's so much toxic positivity in trans spaces around this. They tell each other their results look totally "cis" even when it looks like a swollen thumb or a fleshy water wiggler. I already had low interest in phallo but it dropped to 0% after seeing all those pictures.

>>20654
They are currently being sued by two women who were transitioned as minors, who are a way better face of this movement than I would be. I do plan to go back to the clinic and tell them I detransitioned so at least they'll have that on the record. They need to know.
I've been following the work of Genspect, and I've also been thinking about contacting Beyond Trans and seeing if I can maybe join their support group. I check in on reddit's detrans sub from time to time, but idk if it's worth it to make an account just to post there and if I'd get anything out of it. I wish I had a support group irl, even though I have sympathetic people in my life, no one really gets it and that can feel quite isolating at times.

No. 20666

>>20663
that is so cute, everyone should do this

No. 20667

>>20664
>They are currently being sued by two women who were transitioned as minors, who are a way better face of this movement than I would be
Nona you don't have to be a public figure about it at all, it's not about some kind of activism - they hurt YOU and you deserve some kind of closure on it. They deserve to be sued by EVERY person they hurt. Trans people do their best to ignore and silence detransition stories, only people who actively speak out in public become somewhat known so I don't think you have to worry too much about attention or "being the face" of anything. But if you wanted to be an activist minors aren't the only risk group, so are gay people, victims of abuse, mentally ill people and autists. Every group is an important part of this big mess and they all deserve representaion. I absolutely think you should see if beyong trans has some support for you. Good luck nona, I wish you all the healing!

No. 20668

A Facebook group I'm in for interior home design requires fucking trigger warnings for any harry potter decorating posts because JK Rowling is an EbIl TeRF and it might upset trannies. I wanted to punch a wall seeing that. Side note I wasn't even into Harry Potter ever but now I'm ready to be a full on supporter kek

No. 20672

>>20563
i guess i just mean the colloquial ‘we’ as in why do we women stay in our own spaces (until those just don’t exist at all) when they stomp around wherever they want. i used to use reddit a lot just for like hobby stuff and i even backed out of half of those subs because of the sheer magnitude of troons shitting up every aspect of the things i like. but when you go to their subreddits? absolute hugbox haven. for me personally, just seeing small comments here and there from peaked women ended up making me think before i started to peak myself. i think a huge part of why everything is so horrific is because they’ve successfully frightened everyone into either bowing at their feet or staying silent. it makes it seem like if you think what’s happening is fucked up, it’s a you thing, because no one will say a word. obviously i don’t have the answer and i’m not going to put myself publicly on the line either, but i think we as women do need to stand up where and when we can, even in the smallest ways. i know i’m just preaching to the choir here. just had to vent.

No. 20686

I think as a terf/gc it's important to be open with having been a handmaiden/accepting of troons(/or even trans) in the past. Especially in a casual silly way like "lol can't believe i actually used to think not liking dresses made girls boys/nonbinary, god how cringe and dumb i was as a kid haha" so it's seen as 1. an ok thing to grow out of and 2. not a big deal to change your mind. Like it's not this massive big betrayal of trans people and a huge decision to make, it's just you growing out of your silly teenage trans phase because you're now more educated and your brain has matured.
So rather than pointing fingers at others who are currently in it you point it at your past self so they can silently realize it themselves.

No. 20689

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>So you mean cisgender people exploring?

No, they mean people realizing their mental illness fucked up their bodies.

No. 20690

>>20668
LOL I said it here >>20614

No. 20691

>>20689
How the hell does one "explore" an irreversible surgery?

No. 20693

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>>20689
I hate these people and their stupid ass cult. They groom insecure kids (and adults) into getting permanent dangerous unnecessary drugs and surgeries with the promise that it will help them "be their true happy selves" and when it naturally doesn't work they turn around and spit in their faces saying "you were never trans, this is your own fault". They're so fucking evil and vile and refuse to even acknowledge they've done anything wrong.

On the other hand if they want to play that game, they've been saying there's no harm in letting people "explore their gender"… but if a person got unwanted permanent sterilization and now no longer has breasts from "exploring" that is fucking harm right there! They want to have their gross fucksplat gender cake and eat it too. This proves they see "cis" as a slur. It's not harm to them because the person it happened to was cis in their eyes. They don't give a fuck about even having safety precautions that makes sure "cis" kids don't get transed because they think that will delay some trans kids from getting hrt and surgeries. Not prevent, just delay. They really think if a "cis" kid gets hurt so a trans kid can get drugs faster it's worth it becasue they were just "cis" anyway. Obviously it's all bs and no person is really trans especially not kids, but looking at it from their twisted ideology lens you'd expect them to still want no kids to get hurt - but they don't give a fuck. Given how harmful transistion is I'm not sure they even give a fuck about the supposed trans kids either.

I don't know why it always shocks me that they say such evil things when they keep doing it literally every day.

No. 20695

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>>20693
Not mention also that non-gender conforming people exist? And I talk the men and women that use/like the stuff from the other sex while maintaining their gender, not those "agender/non-binary" twats??

You would think trans people would be more compressive with detrans people since they shared the same "pain", but they're picrel: If they're miserable with their illness, everybody should be miserable like them. No exceptions.

No. 20699

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>>20693
Your post made me realize the Beast is a perfect metaphor for Troonism. It preys on children and needs their essence to survive. It runs away from adults and thus relies on manipulation. 'Your daughter will die if you extinguish the lantern/Your "son" will commit suicide if he doesn't get the surgery' and it's body is militated to the point of horror.

No. 20703

it’s so satisfying when i clock trannies instantly over discord or in online discussions where they don’t even bring it up or show their face. i always end up being right lmfao they can’t even try to act female in terms of behaviour, it’s all so artifical and they act like how an AI robot would think women behave

No. 20706

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I’m tired about this shitty cult and I hate that I don’t know any rads irl I can hang out with.
I’m going to this event with a group where 99% of them are TIFs. I rarely have money to spare and go to cons and just so happens there’s a “gender identity and cosplay” panel. And I’m going to have to sit there and listen to the whole thing lest I wake any wrongthink suspicions. I wish I could ask the obvious females who will be giving the talk: “can you define your gender identity without relying on stereotypes? How does someone know they’re a woman if womanhood can’t be defined? Would you still be trans in a world where sexes were equal and sex stereotypes weren’t imposed upon little kids?”
So sick of this. I wish I could hire someone to hand over tranny coloured stickers with the theysaythisneverhappens website so they’ll accept it, and they can just google it when they’re home lol. Ugh ugh ugh. I wish I knew people I could run away with during the panel and laugh at the Not Like The Other Girls bullshit outside, but that’s not happening. Sex stereotypes are such a ~*~trigger~*~ for me, I fucking hate how it’s been normalized that females self harm and mutilate their healthy bodies because they don’t fit a socially made up idea of how dainty and obedient women should be. No one does! Technically everyone is non-binary already! Stop being fucking stupid already.

No. 20707

>>20706
Why do you have to attend the troon panel? Couldn't you use the troon panel time to go get coffee or check your emails on your phone in the con lobby or something? Like just tell your TIF friends that you can't make it to the troon panel because you need to call your grandma or something.

Unrelated, but I've realized that I feel particularly bothered by the TIM I work with (who I regularly have to spend time alone in a room with) because it's like I'm living in the book "1984".


“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I'm regularly alone in a room with a male coworker who's mentally ill enough to have gotten his penis cut off, yet I'm not allowed to say this in this manner (with this phrasing) to anyone - not my woke coworkers, my woke friends, or my woke family (I also have a TIM relative). Like instead of saying "I am concerned that my male coworker is so mentally ill that he got his own penis cut off, and I'm concerned for my own safety having to regularly be alone in a room with a mentally ill man" I'm supposed to be all like "My beautiful female lesbian coworker got surgery to make her outsides match how she feels inside and I'm so happy for her - she is so brave for being herself!"

It's like I can clearly see that 2 + 2 = 4, but since The Party has decreed that 2 + 2 = 5 I'm not allowed to say that it equals 4, or else I'll be forced to undergo punishment/reeducation (shunning, maybe getting a talk from HR/the DEI office, or getting fired).

No. 20709

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>>20706
Back in my old days you did a crossplay because you liked the character so much, you wanted to be SAID character, not its gender and returned to be yourself after the event. I can't believe now doing a crossplay meant you're a TIM/TIF in disguise.

No. 20710

>>20706
Right before the panel just tell your TIF friends that you’re hungry so you’re gonna get a snack from the restaurant next door to the convention center, then text your friends something like “Darn, this line at the sandwich shop is really long, I’ll probably be waiting here for 45 minutes! I guess I’ll catch up with you after the troon panel!”

Tbh, any friends who you have to live in fear of unfriending you if they ever find out about your wrongthink aren’t really your friends. You should definitely prioritize making friends with some non genderspecial people.

No. 20713

>>20699
Yes, he really is! I'm guessing a lot of media in the nearish future will have similar themes of children being lied to and harmed and parents/caretakers helping through manipulation… basically I think this big medical scandal is/is going to making people "rewrite" what's happening into horror stories becuase it's the only way they can secretly express their distaste for it without being cancelled irl, even though it's such pure evil things happening right in front of our eyes. Kinda like how JKR wrote a bad crossdresser/troon into her book.

No. 20714

>>20706
Have you tried playing a dumb normie ally who 100% buys all troonism? Like treat these girls as if they know nothing about being girls, act surprised any time they say anything that relates to females only, whenever you bring up a female only experience yourself make sure to word it like "YOU wouldn't know this since you're not a girl and that's so valid but for us GIRLS it's like this…"
And if they try to say they know becuase they were "treated and seen as girls" you tell them it's not the same because they were never truly girls (because they were actually boys/nonbinary the whole time) and that for REAL girls it's different.
But you have to be fake nice and supportive the whole time. If they argue against you you kindly explain that it's just their internalized transphobia speaking.

No. 20715

>>20707
>I've realized that I feel particularly bothered by the TIM I work with (who I regularly have to spend time alone in a room with)
Can you request to work in a different room than him?

No. 20733

>>20706
>Would you still be trans in a world where sexes were equal and sex stereotypes weren’t imposed upon little kids?”
When I was close to peaking I asked this same thing to a lefty MtF troon who had just "come out" as trans and he said something like "probably not" and his response sounded quite confused lol, I think this is a good question to ask trannies, especially those who are willing to listen to your arguments or answer curious, non-hostile questions (I've mostly seen TIFs have this attitude)
>because they don’t fit a socially made up idea of how dainty and obedient women should be. No one does! Technically everyone is non-binary already!
GOD this. So fucking retarded. No woman is the perfect image of femininity, and most women don't even think about some of the "masculine" preferences or traits they have which would make a genderspecial question her identity.
Some troons however go as far as to claim that "cis" women also suffer from gender dysphoria and also get the same surgeries or wear the same clothes and makeup that TIMs do to affirm their femaleness, but of course that's mostly when it comes to MtFs and not FtMs.

No. 20734

I notice people start they-themming everybody by default these days and I find it annoying because there are legitimately times where I am unsure whether they are referring to multiple people or not. Hell, I'm guilty of doing this sometimes too in order to blend in. I feel like people could tell I'm a terf if I have the audacity to assume that a woman is not a woman because she dresses a certain way. It's almost like people find it offensive to be called a woman these days, but so few people actually take the time to take a moment and think about this?

I also notice people using they/them when referring to singular animals and it's stupid, animals have no concept of gender identity and they don't give a shit, you're all making it so confusing for no practical purpose. They gotta stop imposing human social constructs onto animals.

>>20703
Sometimes you can even tell from their profile pictures and screen names, like when TiMs overcompensate and choose names like 'princesssparklewhatever' and have cutesy pink cartoon/anime pfps

No. 20736

>>20734
Using they/them to mean "he or she" is normal and the basis to why genderspecials want to claim it's a normal pronoun. It isn't, because it's like a step above and literally takes on the meaning of "he or she (or it)". I wouldn't do it to "respect" anyones pronouns but using they/them normally isn't something to be upset by.
I agree about animals tho, whenever someone calls an animal they/them I make sure to use he/she just to annoy them, even if I don't know the actual sex of the animal kek

No. 20737

>>20734
>>20736
In my country they introduced a third alternative to gendered expression some years ago, it was only to make it easier to say and write instead of having to go he/she or they/them when the gender is ambiguous in a situation, and sometimes they/them just simply doesn't work grammatically or just sounds off in our language. Of course thembys latched onto it and are confused why they can't add it to their passports.

No. 20743

>>20734
At my very woke workplace (like 90% of employees have pronouns in their email signatures) I always assume pronouns as a microaggression to these fucks whenever I’m communicating in an email about a person. Maybe I should up the ante by refusing to ever write “they” and exclusively write “he or she” to trigger people even further.

No. 20748

I can't stand being around TRAs anymore but also can't stand being around most radfems. It feels like everything having to do with TRAs is black and white, you either need to love them with all your heart or hate them to hell and back. The emotional intensity around it has burned me out. I wish I could block ever having to see anything about trans content, either for or against, again, but it's not possible. I blacklist as many terms as I can and somehow I still get recommended youtube content about 'gender expression in shojo manga'. My fantasy at this point is to make a forum where you're simply not allowed to talk about trans issues or gender identity (or being a male) at all. Don't bring it up, I don't care what your position is, I am just tired of hearing about it from any angle.

The only place I've found any sort of peace is a relatively normie radfem server where the members aren't obsessed with theory. It's nice to talk about normal things, occasionally vent about gender stuff taking over a scene without being called out for it. And especially seeing them work towards their goals and succeeding. But I'm also very aware of the fact that the spaces I feel comfortable in keep getting smaller and smaller, more and more private, and it makes me sad.

No. 20753

>>20748
Wow nona I could've written this post word for word (except the secret normie server, so jealous). I hang out on both lolcow and ovarit to get away from all the transpandering weebs in my gaming/anime discord servers and I have had quite similar experiences in regards to people being too intense over their beliefs. I still find your average radfem way saner than your average TRA, but it might be because I follow somewhat selectively and avoid the more young and chronically online radfems on tumblr and tiktok who are confused about their world views and the goals of feminism overall. TRAs, on the other hand, chase me down to the ends of the earth no matter what I do. Despite generously blocking and avoiding the weird trans people in the servers I'm in (or them committing social suicide themselves on their own by calling everyone, even the be kind crowd, transphobic and abusive over little stuff), I can't avoid the non-peaked woke weebs that flex their allyship at every chance they get. I'm so tired to death of trans memes…

No. 20759

>>20753
I left ovarit pretty quickly because I found a lot of peaked previous TRA were now doing the same toxic insane shit as "radfems" tbh. Same style of non logical arguments and insults. Combined with the other older radfems it was just a toxic cesspool. The second you had a slightly different opinion you got mobbed and insulted and when you hit back they would ban you while the ones that started it could just go on just like a sub on reddit. If you lurk for the info and memes its ok but there is too much stupidity on ovarit.

No. 20761

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>My friend: This user hates terfs

>Me:

No. 20765

>>20748
i hate the Marxist spoonie radfems. collect your disability in peace, no one means you when we call trannies retarded or spergs

No. 20766

>>20761
Oh I feel that. My friend has a tumblr dni for "terfs, racists and pedophiles." Do you seriously think those things are on the same level, christ.

No. 20767

I'm half-venting, half-asking for advice here. How do I stop being so annoyed about trans stuff all the time? From friends being unable to mention HP without going "b-but I hate that evil bigot JKR, don't worry!" to feeling on edge when I see AGPs in the wild, I feel like I can't escape from any of it. I'm not on social media so it's not even an online issue. I know it's good to be aware and I'm glad I'm not mindlessly supporting trans stugg, too scared by the 41% statistic so dare committing a thoughtcrime. But I can't compartmentalize those feelings. I'm tired of having to nod along when girls tell me they're he/hims or call the obviously male members of my class Lily or some shit. Now that I've seen dozens of posts where TIMs admit to feeling jealous and angry toward women, seething with rage at seeing women live in their natural bodies, I feel scared when I see them in public now. One sat next to me on the bus yesterday (he also smelled really bad..) and all I could think of was those posts. I feel so angry when I see TIFs because all I can think about is how they've been lied to, how these hormones are dangerous and not properly regulated. I'm annoyed that at a time when I'm figuring out my sexuality and realising I like women, I can't go to LGBT events because they're all about the inverting your penis / getting a mastectomy crowd. I know I sound so aggro, but that's the problem, I don't know how to just chill out instead of constantly getting upset at the misogyny of this movement, and the irresponsible doctors and healthcare providers, and all the other issues. It's got to the point where I don't even want to speak to TIFs now because I'll be biting my tongue, and that feels unhealthy. I don't like feeling this way. Thanks for reading if you did

No. 20769

Today I saw (and hid) a video from a ftm showing off her "once in a lifetime" thrift store cop, an "AIDs protest shirt". I can't fathom what she thinks AIDs has to do with her life. That epidemic didn't even affect her generation, let alone target her demographic. Wearing it seems so ghoulish to me. >>20767 you're not alone in feeling tired of being angry but it's hard to think of an alternative.

No. 20773

>>20767
Let me know if you figure out an answer because I'm in the same boat! I try to ignore troon stuff as best as possible, but that's hard to do when there are 2 genderspecials in my workplace (sometimes the AGP TIM comes into the women's bathroom at the same time as me), 90% of the emails I receive at work contain pronouns, signaling my coworkers' allegiance to the cult, and I have a genderspecial family member. Also, my anime husbando gets headcannoned as a TIF all the time, so I have to filter through boatloads of fanart of him with tit chop scars and fanfics about him with a vagina. I have zero openly TERF friends IRL so there's nobody in my life I can talk to honestly about this with in person. I'd really love to never have to think about trans crap ever again but it's in my face without me even having to seek it out.

No. 20775

>>20748
I think most of us feel similarly. We all just want to this shit to stop and to never have to talk about gender ever again. Honestly my solution has been humor, instead of getting upset and hateful of all troons it's so much easier to just laugh at them and move on.

But I do think it's a process, a lot of people need to go through the extreme black/white emotions for a while before they can calm down about it. I'm not upset with recently peaked people for working through it, it can just get a little intense.

No. 20776

>>20767
>friends being unable to mention HP without going "b-but I hate that evil bigot JKR, don't worry!"
I think one option here is to push on it further. "I read/loved HP as a kid so hearing the JKR stuff surprised me so I wanted to read what she said with my own eyes… I actually don't think what she said was that bad and I kinda agree with it".
If they push for it and say that you're wrong she's totally bad ask them to kindly explain it and show it by using proof. You can even frame it that way from the start by acting confused. Just add something like "can you please explain why it's bad because I honestly don't get it? to me it also seems like protecting sex-based rights is important too?".

Another way to frame it is to pretend you only just now read the text she wrote. Make it like a confession.
"Hey have you read the text JKR wrote that made her infamous among trans people? I actually just read it for the first time. Honestly until now I kind of just pretended I had read it because I just thought what she said was super evil and hateful because everyone told me so. I'm so embarrassed I did that, I don't know why I acted like I had read it when I hadn't. Anyway she's actually literally saying trans people are vulnerable and needs protection, I was in shock! I thought it would be an attack on trans people but she's like defending them, I feel like the internet lied to me about her. What are your thoughts on it?"

No. 20777

This is such a minor complaint but dear god is it pathetic when games give you body options that are like "body A" and "body B" and they're just male and female. It's literally the two sexes just made more complicated because now I have to spend the rest of the game remembering which of A/B is which when you could just have labeled everything "female/male" or girl/boy. We have words, just use them!!!
I hope in the future memes will be like "you know a game is old when the female and male bodies are called A and B for no reason" or "confuse your millennial grandma by wearing a boy shirt, she'll think you're her grandson now"

No. 20778

>>20776
My friend did the first option when she hung out with a group of people, and it honestly ended with two out of the three went home and read it and the next time they met they were kinda "…you know what, I actually agree with her" and argued with the third person that refused to listen to reason. If you stand your ground and ask them to either provide proof or ask them if they actually read it (push that they need to read with a "clear mind" if they are the more emotional type) they tend to come back to you scratching their heads not being sure what to believe, which is the first step to them possibly peaking.

No. 20780

>>20613
I'm pretty sure this person is a TIM nonita

No. 20781

Thanks everyone for your replies, I'm actually really surprised other people feel the way I do. I thought I was the crazy one for feeling so intensely.
>>20773
Sorry to hear about the TIM in your workplace. What annoys me about all this is that I've made a really conscious effort recently to quit most social media and spend less time worrying about political issues and just live my life instead. Yet it feels like I can't escape from this incredibly "online" movement in the real world. I got lucky though because my best friend feels the same way about it, although it made me realize how little the average person knows about hormones, surgery etc. Not in a condescending way, I just feel like "gender affirming care" is so vague that knowing what actually happens — and the side effects — is what peaks people.
>>20776
Haha this actually happened earlier this year with me and my friend. I just pretended I didn't get it. "Why don't you like JKR? Oh she's transphobic? What did she say?" And you know what, my friend couldn't tell me a single quote. She just said she was nasty to people on Twitter and that I'd understand if I saw her tweets. It's a good idea though, I guess since I'm so non-confrontational and I'm also in a very liberal college it feels scary to say the "wrong" thing. Some people are braver than me, I guess.

No. 20785

>>20781
We all struggle with this so much because we are sane people in a world that throws an enormous amount of insane bullshit at us. There is no way anyone who sees the truth can be ok with this.

It will change eventually. We all just need to be a little more patient and keep speaking truth without fear when we can and it's safe to do.

No. 20788

>>20777
Kek I can totally see this happening, with how shitty kids like to be and how thin-skinned gendies are there will definitely be memes with kids smearing on clown makeup and wearing bedsheets as dresses prancing around falsettoing about girlhood to piss off their gendie relatives.

No. 20790

>>20788
lmao imagine granny coming in on her walker crying about how her grandkid misgendered her

No. 20797

>>20788
I can't wait for the pendulum to swing back around and the next generation's youth rebellion.

No. 20800

>>20734
I also find this super annoying. I've started going out of my way to say he or she too, or just assume female and then add "or he, i guess". For animals I usually use it unless it's someone's pet then i'll just guess.

No. 20806

>>20766

I feel like two out of every three people who follow my tumblr for my silly fandom memes has a TeRvEs bEgOne DNI.

And one out of those two is a TIF with "small/tiny/lil/boy" as part of their username! How do they not get that apart from rappers with "Lil" in their name or the ACTUAL Wee Man, men do not generally go out of their way to bring attention to how physically slight they are? How can you claim to be a man when you fail on the GROUND floor?

No. 20808

>>20781
>She just said she was nasty to people on Twitter and that I'd understand if I saw her tweets
If this happens you have the option to follow it up the next time with having tried to look it up but not finding anything. Asking "can you please like send me the tweets because I didn't find anything. I don't use twitter that much so idk how it works".
Most TRA will just parrot what they heard, they haven't seen or read anything she's said. They won't admit it but it WILL internally embarrass them to get called out on it when they know they don't have actual quotes or proof. If you're lucky they'll even go on to try to find those supposed evil tweets but the best they'll find is like "merry terfmas" and it will rattle their brains a bit.

No. 20809

>>20797
Same, it's gonna be so funny to see the adult-babies get bullied by kids because they can't tell a male from a female

No. 20810

>>20809
I was recently at a not crowded bar in a rural American state, and the musician emceeing made a mild joke about trannies (something something "use whatever bathroom you identify with") and then she looked at me and was sorta apologetic. I was wondering if it was because I have dyed hair and tattoos, so I look like the "angry SJW gendie" stereotype? I didn't know how to tell her "nonono it's cool! I'm not one of them, I thought your joke was based!"

No. 20813

I've lurking and learning for sometime now, i used to be really against Terf, i was really in favor of trans people but them, this year everything change.
I hated watched a video of Brett Cooper with some of mine liberals friends, 1 of them is a TiM.
The video was ''The Trans Movement is hurting young woman'' and i agreed with Brett Cooper during the whole video. I was in shock of how much i agreed and i start to hate myself for thinking that i was a ''Bigot''
Then, i had already found this place, Crystal Cafe, i start to lurking here into the Terfposting, i started to lurk around /2x/, to seek more LGB people talking about this.
The amount of ''free speech'' we DON'T have is insane. the amount of normal people, parents, kids, husbands and wifes getting their life destroyed by this thing that i can see now acts like a cult is insane.

All the hate i put out against J.K. Rowling, all those years shaming a woman for nothing.
All those years feeding into the internet money machine of "Trans Politics" by hating on woman, by hating on people i couldn't understand…

I was 15 posting about being "non binary", i'm almost 26 now. I almost fell down this habbit hole.
I was a minor when old trans people we're getting into my dms, talking about how sweet i would look as a boy, that i only loved dressing as one because i was one.

All those years the place i had trust myself in, the place that sells itselfs as a ''We love all, You have to love yourself'' has made me hate being a woman. They had me broken into pieces.
To see those people acting like they're not selling a cure to people who are hurt, to see them acting like they don't know what they're doing… this fills me with anger.

I was not afraid of having a opinion before, i used to laugh and thing that people deserve to lose everything if they're right wing or think in a diferent way as me and my friends do.
but who i was? just a mean person. just a evil person.

No. 20814

>>20813
sorry for my english mistakes, i just need somewhere to vent about this. also, i was writing this to post on cc but change idea in the middle since this place is more focused.

No. 20817

>>20814
Good of you to be able to break yourself free from the brain washing. That is a hard thing to do. Well done nonnie.

No. 20819

>like chiptune music
>find artist with female name
>first thought is that it's probably a guy
>have literally never been wrong, it's always an AGP coomer with an anime girl avatar and a porn twitter
I hate that these cookie cutter creeps are training me to never expect an actual woman in my own hobby. It feels like I'm now buying into the stereotypes that make this hobby full of dudes in the first place.

No. 20822

I've spent years siding with TRAs, hating on TERFs and forcing myself to accept trans ideology but I always knew deep down that something was wrong. I could never get behind trans headcanons, or read any stories with trans people in them. It always gave me the ick, and every time I tried to accept someone's trans identity, it just felt like a forced acceptance, like I was just humouring their delusions and deluding myself in the process.

I think the most insidious thing TRAs have done is equate transphobia with homophobia and racism. I can see it for what it is now, a way to manipulate gay people and poc into joining their cause, because if you don't you're just as bad as a homophobe/racist. That's how they got to me.

No. 20823

>>20819
I've been making chiptune and working with 8bit hardware mods since I was 15. I found the community so punishing for a girl when I was younger and ended up using male names whenever I put music online. Seeing TiMs take over every tech related niche I've ever cared about is genuinely devastating in a way that I'm usually too exhausted to articulate other than to other women who've experienced it first hand. I cannot stress how much I relate to you nona, thanks for posting about it. It's so easy to spot them too just by their names, aesthetics, sensibilities online.

No. 20826

>>20822
Same. I think most people who eventually peak have this experience of finding some things weird/off but TRAs and trannies drill into people's head that any doubts or questions are wrongthink. It's insane how fragile they are when you actually put thought into it because they basically require everyone to stay in their little echochamber. You can't question anything and if you do they'll accuse you of being transphobic or that your line of thinking is LITERALLY genociding trans people and label any dissenting opinions as TERF/genocidal rhetoric and beg you never to engage with them unless it's a strawmanned version of their arguments. Even at the height of my handmaiden days I always found the "genital preferences" shit disgusting and thought the whole concept of transitioning and people's anecdotes of "realizing" they're trans came off as enforcing gender stereotypes but you have to keep your head down and pretend the contradictions don't exist lest you want to be excommunicated and labelled a fascist bigot. Their whole thing is predicated on lies whether it be about the opposition's views, straight up rewriting history, down to their own identities. I peaked last year and even though there's more pushback now I'm honestly blackpilled about the whole thing, maybe centrist and right-leaning spaces will be fine but leftists would never take a step back.

No. 20827

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i got in an argument with a tim (first mistake) on tiktok (second mistake) after he gave me a short-lived glimmer of false hope (third mistake) that he was genuinely open to listening to my perspective after asking what exactly my views are and how i got into radical feminism. im not the best at debating by any means, but i managed to hold my own and not shift my stance at all while he gave nothing of substance. after repeating myself several times, it came down to picrel where he says minority and marginalized are not interchangeable but then proceeded to act like they were synonymous/mutually exclusive anyway. im so tired nonnas. they'll never believe misogyny is real. men are beyond saving. i dont wanna blackpill but between this and living with men who dont listen to me anyway it's hard not to just give up.

anyway, his (@shes.a.gunner) reposts are entirely first-person shooter games and he's so painfully male it genuinely feels like a psyop.

No. 20828

>>20819
I know 2 trannies IRL named "Claire". Recently, on 2 separate occasions, I read an online article about a nerdy subject by a "woman" named "Claire", and upon further investigation both authors turned out to be 2 separate trannies. One article was about a science fiction movie, the other was about a video game. I'd love to read articles about nerdy subjects written by actual women because at this point the name "Claire" is a red flag for me.

>>20826
This. I've been a lifelong registered Democrat, but when I told my mom my true feelings about transgenderism her first reaction was "So you're a Trump voter now?!"

It took a while to get over feeling hurt at being accused of being a conservative, because being a liberal was a huge part of my identity for a long time, but at this point I just tell people that I'm a centrist, and that yeah maybe there is something to the old adage that we become more conservative as we get older. I don't really share my GC views with IRL friends, but I express exasperation with the ubiquitousness/ideological tyranny of "woke shit" (by which I mean trannies) and I haven't gotten any pushback for it. Maybe it's OK for a woman to be vocally opposed to wokeness if you introduce yourself to new friends as a moderate/apolitical, because then there's no expectation for you to be onboard with liberal identity politics.

>>20827
Back when I was newly peaked I used to spend time arguing with troons online, because it's fun triggering them, until my Nigel pointed out that I was being sort of cringe by stooping to their level. Now I spend less time arguing with them because honestly, getting memed into cutting your own dick off and then realizing you've ruined your own life and lesbians still won't date you is the biggest self own.

No. 20829

>>20813
Me too nona! Plenty of us were on the woke side and supported trans people before we peaked when we saw what they really are. It's insane how their lies spread so far and wide when none of it is true.

No. 20830

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"but we know they existed, and we know they loved."

Press (x) for doubt.

No. 20837

>>20830
>"countless romances told between the lines of police records"
I don't think having old police records of a man dressing up as a woman to perform a fetish and to harass women was romantic back then either, neither does it involve love of any kind.
Do troons even feel love for others or is it just pure narcissism? Because you have "lesbian" troons who exclusively fuck other troons, aka men who they claim to have no attaraction to, simply because their sexual fetish is stronger than any love connection they could feel to anyone else.
You even have fakeboys who date each other to be their dream yaoi couple. They don't even seek out love, all they want it validation for their twisted fetish.

No. 20840

Nonas I'm curious, what made you peak? Was there a certain event or interaction that pushed you over the edge?

No. 20844

>>20840
i grew up on fandom tumblr. i got curious and clicked on a TERF blog after being warned about it… and the rest was history after taking time to think about it. i never really saw transgenders as what they said they were before, i just thought of them as sad gay people who wanted to integrate as much as possible into society. boy did that change

No. 20845

>>20706
Just wanted to thank everyone who replied to this; I arrived a bit late so I could miss the gender euphoria on cosplay talk kek; there were NO people. Like, 40 people tops overall. This venue typically holds a couple of thousands, and I arrived at a peak time. I wonder if the shitty panel helped, I thought it'd draw gendies since they're so into their fandom, but its probably less popular than they make it seem to be. I hope they won't do it again kek. Thanks again lovelies.
I wish I could do without my gendie friends but it's impossible to be in fujo circles and not be willing to put up with them, all the girlies believe theyre ukes.

No. 20847

>>20845
Why was attendance unusually that low? Is the con's attendance on a downwards trend? Genuine question. I can't imagine anyone would willingly want to hear cosplay gender spiel anyway, merch sellers and special guests like VAs are the main con attractors.

>I wish I could do without my gendie friends but it's impossible to be in fujo circles and not be willing to put up with them, all the girlies believe theyre ukes.

I used to be those cringe normie haters before but because all of this troon shit I have never been more grateful for my normie irls. I seriously can't tolerate fujo TIFs. Luckily I have an irl fujo friend that I met in elementary that I can sperg out about yaoi with. Sorry for you nonna.

No. 20849

Had to sit through some bullshit lecture on fucking gender identity. At least it wasn't too long but it sucked. Guy basically said that male and female children are assigned different gender roles and should naturally conform to the gender roles, and if they don't, they're transgender. Not even joking. According to this retard, you're trans if you don't conform to your assigned gender roles. As the cherry on top, he included the two-spirit non-binary shit which was basically just past people's "acceptance" of homosexuality with a huge asterisk next to acceptance. I miss the days of them just saying that anyone who identifies as trans is trans, because at least you could opt out of that stupid bullshit. They need to stop trying to forcibly include everyone in their batshit insane cult I am so sick of all this gender bullshit. They just can't leave anyone alone. I wish people would stop trying to enforce this shit.

No. 20850

>>20840
10 years ago I had a friend, and he introduced me to a friend of his, who gave me a very creepy vibe from the moment I met him. I told my friend that this man creeped me out, and I guess he relayed this back to the creepy guy, so the creepy guy announced his plans to cyberbully me because I found him creepy. Then he went to jail for selling drugs. When he got out of jail he was a troon, and he apologized for attempting to cyberbully me - he said he only did it because he was struggling with his gender at the time. A few months later he died of a blood clot caused by taking estrogen without medical supervision.

There were a lot of other little things that made me peak but this was probably the most noteworthy incident. My peaking was entirely due to interacting with trans-identified people and witnessing how much transgenderism goes hand in hand with narcissism, depression, sexual trauma, autism, internalized homophobia, self-harm, etc.

No. 20851

>>20847
My theories are: there was a free entry con happening simultaneously, the panels there had more weeb specific themes, and it was the second time ever this con had been hosted. I attended another one marketed to the same demographics just 15 days ago, on the same venue, and the attendees were on the thousands.
Fun moment was, the presenter, one of the gendie panelists, spoke to a little child cosplaying Naruto after her performance, and used male pronouns towards the child (estas cansadO?/are you tired?). The little kid went (si, estoy cansadA/yeah, I'm tired). The presenter was taken aback and started apologizing. And /now/ the kid was weirded out lmao. So much for not assuming gender. Whatever. Bunch of idiots.

No. 20852

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>>20837
Even more sad that sometimes the fakeboys are just lesbians or bi in denial, so dating a "gay man" make them feel better because… ?

>>20840
The fact many times it felt like walking on eggshells rather than having a normal conversation in Tumblr. And I was there when certain girl tried to make herself as "trans woman" and sprout the "You don't need gender dysphoria to be trans".

>>20849
>Guy basically said that male and female children are assigned different gender roles and should naturally conform to the gender roles, and if they don't, they're transgender.

That man missed the point of being non-comformist gender or he still think "if man, he has to hunt. If woman, she has to cook. If the kid do otherwise, is not a real man/woman".

No. 20859

>>20840
I was an outspoken TRA for many years as well as a socially transitioned enby. I had many nonbinary and TiF friends. Close interaction with TiMs for thr first time ina friendship setting peaked me without them doing anything to me. Everything about TiM existences just makes it apparent what a joke womanhood is within the trans movement and they were deeply uncomfortable, mentally regressive people living in a forced delusion. That everybody else had to conform to. The fact that they were considered normal and socially adept by my peers was too much cognitive dissonance and I desisted within the year and fell into TERF ideology while trying to understand the crawling in my skin they made me feel.

No. 20862

I have what o define as "gender dysphoria" and through having it I figured out that gender roles are biological which made me feel hopeless, I don't fit neither with terfs of trans movement(with which I never interacted neither now any trans people) for obvious reasons but terfs at least have more critical thinking but they were always extremely unfair to me and a hypocrites who hated me for what they call being male brained but then worshipped actual males or used to taunt me on other platform by telling me how feminine they think I actually am and it's foolish to think I am not feminine (I never even identified as trans) like if you're a cunt but then wonder why I hate being a woman who's socializing with women then… Anyway, female and male bodies are two different roles, gender roles. To be aligned with a female body mentally you must become feminine. It's just a fact, even female sexual especially heterosexual role is inherently feminine which means psychologically you have to become feminine and soft to have it, it's a submission basically. I used to project masculinity onto womanhood and thinking it can be masculine but it can't. Not having your mind aligned with your physical gender is seen as a disorder but to align it I have to become feminine psychologically and when I do it doesn't last long also my positive attitude towards sex doesn't last long, it turns back into sex phobia very quickly and I became masculine again. There's no other cure to GD besides conversion to femininity for me which burdens me, I don't know if other women realize they are mentally what I am not very aligned with and what I am supposed to become to like womanhood which they deny(deny that we have to be like this mentally to be OK with womanhood)… Cause they deny gender roles are biological but then act like them. Even having hetero sex as a woman is the most inherently feminine thing ever plus submissive. Women also reinforce gender roles while socializing with eachother but don't even realize it. I think it would have been a common logic that male and female are a different roles plus male and female are SEXES so a sex roles, feminine and masculine role. Female biology is also centered around motherhood. All people do masculine and feminine things but there still are biological gender roles especially in sex and a person not mentally aligned with their biological sex will show a mental signs of it, dissociate and other shit like that. Women and men are different, not wanting to be a woman for me means not wanting to be feminine sexually especially, not wanting to be submissive, not wanting to be servile and nurturing. I wanna be given these things from another person instead.
I believe sex is real unlike the trans movement which is full of sexual degeneracy, paraphilias, women who wanna be gay men lol(I'm a hetero woman who wants to be a hetero man), fetishist's etc. Even ftms are all very gender conforming , maybe they are just coping of they have some actual gender issues. But if someone has them then they won't have piv sex as it would trigger them, so are they self harming? Since gender roles are biological I believe many people might be not aligned with them but the only treatment is something controversial to say out loud. So why are GCs lying to me that gender roles aren't biological when I express my uncomfortableness with my biological sex? They accuse me of sexist sex stereotypes meanwhile those stereotypes are often facts, femininity and masculinity can be defined with certain words and qualities. The way my GD manifests the most is sex phobia which gets me punished by people a lot and told I'm bigoted, I see many women like me and we tend to be punished and cursed put by women for not acting mentally feminine. I also very insanely intellectually oppressed amongst other women. So why terfs only argument is often that "gender roles aren't biological"? It's the most obvious thing in existence. Even something as reproduction proves it.

No. 20866

>>20862
What? Learn to type, split things into paragraphs at least. This thing is unreadable.
> Anyway, female and male bodies are two different roles, gender roles
Female and male are sexes, not gender roles. Gender roles are socially enforced, you're not born with a pink bow and ingredients for sandwich because you have a pussy. The idea that women gotta be pink and cook IS a gender role. Not her being of the female sex.
> To be aligned with a female body mentally you must become feminine
dogs don't wear skirts or shave their legs and are still female bodied.

The rest of your shit was unreadable. Redact better or stfu

No. 20867

>>20862
Ok blackpill-chan, go back to your thread.

No. 20871

>>20840
I think I never fully bought into it since I was exposed to the whole concept fairly late, or had a bit of a "not my business" kind of mindset since I first thought it was a very uncommon thing and that some would inevitably grow out of it - like how claiming to be bisexual was the hot common thing among teens for a while in the mid/late-2000's. Also, because I had been struggling with the concept of femininity and how I wanted to express it on and off for years after growing up a tomboy and how society viewed me as a woman, I felt in a sense I could understand where they came from in the most surface way. When I noticed the amount of troons suddenly skyrocketed and gender discussions started to become prevalent in the most ridiculous ways I kinda started scratching my head feeling "…nah, this shit ain't right…right?", luckily I have a few friends that felt the same way and we all steadily peaked together. Lolcow however made me peak even more because it helped making me stop shaming myself for my feelings regarding the subject.

No. 20872

>>20862
If gender roles are purely biological then why are they enforced by society? Does having a baby automatically make you nurturing and servile when plenty of mothers have been neglectful, cold, uncaring or cruel? You say you don’t want to be servile and nurturing but according to you that’s biological and thus you’re like that by default. If someone doesn’t want to be a mother what solution do you propose exactly?

No. 20876

>>20840
I got social contagion'ed by fandom Tumblr as a young (autistic lesbian) teenager and was sealed in an echo chamber of fellow themlet women for like a decade. All it took was a single evening on a TERF blog to peak. It took like another year to come to terms with it though. I also realized that there were several years of low-grade cognitive dissonance that I just ignored. Like I found a bunch of old journal entries where I was distraught over the logical inconsistencies, but whenever I had those feelings, another TIF would just convince me it was in my head. But my previous wondering probably made it easier for me to peak. I'd also never interacted with a TIM, so seeing their shit after I started peaking was the real final nail in the coffin. Funny enough, because I'm trusted, I was able to get a lot of my old TIF friends to re-identify as women just by gently repackaging radfem talking points in a way they'd find palatable.

No. 20877

>>20840
It wasn't one event but I started lurking radfem Twitter in late 2022 and it was a growing process from there. I think I peaked within a couple months, it was basically a back and forth between "yeah the TERFs are right about x and y, but not all trans people are like this" until I reconsidered my mindset on gender & sex all together. I have a gender abolitionist perspective on things now (and actual gender abolition not that 8 million nonbinary microlabels shit) so TRA or not I'd find upholding gender categories as harmful and would designate people by their sex instead. But it was fairly easy for me to understand radfem talking points in the beginning because even in my handmaiden days I took issues with tranny shit like calling gay people "genital fetishists", not actually seeing gaydens as real men internally (I noticed how every "mlm" complaining about yaoi was literally a straight girl and most irl gay men don't care), found trans headcanons in fanfic/art annoying, and how basically every women's explanation for ID'ing as nonbinary was just disliking misogynistic gender norms. Troons becoming increasingly more delusional also fed into it like them claiming they had periods or that there's no biological differences between males or females (sports discourse). I remember even back in 2017-2018 trans stuff didn't make much sense to me but I didn't dive into it much because I was scared of wrongthink. I sent an ask to a TERF blog about how I found it weird that lesbians were expected to ID as bisexual if their partner came out as a TIF, and if they didn't and broke up instead they were called transphobic even though it'd technically be the opposite since it's respecting the TIF's identity. I didn't check the blog again to see the response but honestly if I did and continued lurking I would've peaked years ago.

No. 20879

>>20850
What a story nona. I don't want to celebrate a person dying, but it feels better knowing there's one less creep out there who died due to his own stupidity.
>>20859
I don't think trans/TRA realize just how many "terfs" were on their side before. They seem to think their enemies are mostly conservative old people who just don't understand because they were raised on transphobic lies. That if they just force teach their trans ideology at school everyone will become open and tolerant. But most of us grew up alongside this gender ideology, we fully/mostly bought into it and were often outspokenly trans/TRA before peaking. I think they will fail because of this reason, because a trans person can (and most likely will) peak, but you can't really trans a peaked person.

No. 20880

>>20862
I think your problem is that you assume you know everything. You call things "facts" when they're clearly not facts at all. This is incredibly typical for teens so I'm gonna assume you're young (also often goes up in your early 20s). Your way of thinking is actually very immature (but typical for your assumed age so that's not an insult or attack on you). Your perspective will widen with age and experience and my best advice is to chill. Stop thinking about gender shit, and go do real things with your life instead. Literally do anything else that will distract you from it. When gender dysphoria comes up, ignore it and stop letting it fester in you. You're a whole person, not just a feeling in the moment.

If you're not young, imma put my bet on you being autistic because of your rigid thinking pattern. It's not a bad thing to be an autist but you have to be aware of these flaws so you can work on overcoming them (while a normie non-autist may grow out of it easier without having to work much on it).

No. 20881

tif friend of mine basically expressed she wishes she could be comfortable identifying as a woman. decided to shoot my shot and tell her i used to feel the same way. not expecting a full peaking but hoping to free her from the confines of gender identity. wish me luck nonas

No. 20882

>>20881
Good luck nona! Tbh I feel like this often works, especially if you tap into why you/she felt uncomfortable identifying as women. A lot of TIFs are just traumatized by patriarchy and jumped on the fad to cope, but I notice a lot coming around. I hope she listens to you.

No. 20883

>>20840
i kind of felt like the black sheep because i had suspicions about the whole trans thing. i wanted to be supportive but it felt off to me and i never really believed in it. it was mostly watching my friends transition and googling more about top surgery because i wanted to know how it worked. i also saw the south park clip where the troon surgery happened kek. i didn’t understand why trans people had to get these invasive horrible surgeries, i thought couldn’t they just dress like the opposite sex? and the trans movement got more and more confusing, it went from being a gender dysphoria thing to a contagion where anyone could have it and get hormones and surgery no matter their dysphoria. and it was so contradicting to me. i would watch people like kalvin garrah and although being a troon it helped peak me a little. i think the tipping point was watching my longtime friend get hormones. i didn’t like seeing her change and it felt odd. this weird lingering feeling about troons kept on until i found lolcow and the skirt go spinny video completely peaked me

No. 20884

>>20879
AYRT, yeah. This is especially apparent in the conflict between r/detrand and r/actual_detrans. The trans-run detrans sub decries the one actually run by detrans individuals as being secretly run by and infested with TERFs because they can't conceive of formerly trans individuals now espousing ideas critical of their movement. Yes, the detrans reddit used to have a heavy TERF presence years ago, but that's no longer the case and they refuse to see it. The fact that troons have to have a chokehold on detrans forums of discussion to be able to tolerate really makes them seem like a cult.

No. 20885

>>20881
I like to bring up how i as a fully "cis" person feel/felt: extreme uncomfort with my body (ED + self harm), how I hated forced gender roles and I never fit into them. As a kid I even insisted on playing the male roles when playing house etc, always buying clothes from the male section.
And i finish with "you know, none of these things were a sign I'm trans, because I'm cis. This is actually a normal cis experience."
It really gets their gears turning, a lot of the time they don't realize just how normal of a female experience this is because the trans ideology has lied to them so much.

No. 20886

Personal cow of mine desisted and is back to having she/her in the bio. She was one of those "trans men" that presented as a feminine woman and made no attempt to transition in any way while also complaining that gay men only liking dick is transphobic. All her trans and dysphoria tweets are gone now, her account just looks extremely normie (liking/retweeting posts abour exes and people's selfies). Wonder if she realized how retarded she was lol.

No. 20888

>>20880
It's an observable fact just as most women being dick suckers into degradation, submission and sexual filth which makes womanhood unbearable. Being ok with womanhood = being ok with all this dick sucking filth and feminine sexual role, you have to become it psychologically. And yes women being dick suckers is an easily observable fact.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 20889

>>20862
You sound black pilled and especially disgusted and appalled by heterosexual women and much hypocrisy of womens behavior when criticizing trannies. I can see where some of what you are saying comes from but your ESL vent is probably best suited to black pill discussions. Gender roles are enforced, not inborn but I see what you are arguing. Some of the bizarre responses you are getting just willfully ignorant. You specifically mention het sex in an example of women as upholding a feminine gender role which is submission as an inborn response, so >>20866 anons response of "dogs don't wear skirts" is idiotic. I've seen many anons act as if gay males having sex is abhorrent and humiliating while not leveraging the same argument to women when they do the exact same thing lel. Delusion.

No. 20893

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Any gamer: Well, the game was quite mid and the gameplay was fun but not to be in any category.

TRAs: BECAUSE ANTISEMITISM, ROWLING IS A TERF, LOL KARMA!!!

No. 20895

>>20888
Wild troon spotted

No. 20896

>>20893
Was the game mid? If seemed very popular at the time, and the switch version was only just released the other day. I was thinking of picking it up so I can innocently sperg about how fun it is to my seething woke friends

No. 20897

>>20889
They are inborn first but can be enforced too but it doesn't change the fact that gender roles are biological, why a woman can't be the penis in hetero sex and man the vagina? And our whole body is designed around our sexual role in reproduction, feminine or masculine. Sex is gender. Women okay with their sexual role are mentally tapped into femininity which is a different role than masculinity and feels differently psychologically, there are two groups of traits and qualities that are used to describe femininity and masculinity. Women facial appearance is even softer than men, cause they are feminine and male faces are masculine aka not soft. It's just so obvious, especially in sex and reproduction these roles are inescapable physically neither mentally. Sex roles are biological but they are the same as gender roles to me. I came to this conclusion after trying to be masculine role as a woman especially sexually and not being able to be it especially mentally because of my biology. And when I try to like female sexual role in heterosexuality I find myself stepping into feminine, nurturing and soft role of a servant and then get pissed off that I have to be this way mentally while I don't enjoy this. Women all the time say that they love things in sex just cause it's a male pleasure or say that they get off on being desired. There's a pattern here. Most ftms are gender conforming, I don't know why but they just are. Same with detrans women, so many of them are pregnant or mothers now. I have even seen bizzare comments like: "my friend used to be gnc but didn't transition" and now that friend is a mother. Wow how gender non conforming of them all! Motherhood - the most feminine role ever

No. 20898

>>20896
There are many comments regarless it was mid, other found it fun and others quite boring, so it depends on you.

Which also makes me laugh because TRAs always ask for a trans character, the game delivered a TIM called Sirona (an Irish female name), but they weren't happy because it sounds like SIR-ona. You cannot please these people.

No. 20899

>>20896
NTA it was fun to play, but it's nothing groundbreaking. It's easy to put hours into it but it somehow feels soulless while also visibly having a lot of passion put into it's creation, but I played on ps4 so my experience has a lot of limitations (however I love that all the characters actually look like young teens and not short adults).

No. 20901

>>18284
I personally feel more moderate in my opinions since 2018. Trans was a triggering point but I've shifted on a lot of things. I'm more open to religion, I'm against unrestricted internet access to kids, I support sports and jocks and everything that is actually hands-on, I think we should build more prisons and put more rapists in prisons, and more liberals should be mocked for their support of ugly freaks, violent criminals, terrorists and the overlap of them. Maybe I would have been more radical in 1990 but I feel old-school in current year.

No. 20903

>>18704
>I fucking never wish the word 'dogwhistle' got popular. Everything is a dogwhistle now.

it's because of Trump and Trump derangement syndrome. Everything he said was a dogwhistle and oh god, we are just moments away from total American fascism!

No. 20904

>>18977
Co-sign! Girls, especially working class girls, need help more than any troon. If anything, these people always try to push working class girls away from STEM and into "sex work" because they are PMC snobs who think we aren't good for anything else. That's why corporations love troons and hate real working women.

No. 20905

>>20897
You sound like a schizo. If you don’t want to have sex with men, don’t have sex with men. While it is true that women have vaginas and men have penises, and women’s bodies are evolved to carry babies, you’re not obligated to do any of those things. Humans also have legs, but you’re not obligated to become a marathon runner just because you potentially could be one. Hopefully you live in a country where you have access to birth control and abortions, and nobody should be able to force you to date a man or get married or get pregnant if you don’t want to. There are plenty of women who lead happy and full lives being celibate. There’s nothing wrong with focusing your life on advancing your career or traveling or hanging out with friends if you want to. You honestly sound like you need to get off the internet and go to therapy. Or at least find a hobby - try painting, playing a sport, going on hikes in the woods, etc. and spend less time thinking about biological sex and gender roles.

No. 20907

>>19997
I think so. I got the same type of comments growing up. I hated makeup and the hijab and always prefer (western) men's clothing. I got shit from all sides. I used to spend my teen years flopping between being aroace or a possible lesbian. Eventually I came to the conclusion I prefer women's friendly company and I am attracted to men, on my own terms. My only advantage is being born 1996 and coming of age before I could do anything permanent.

No. 20908

>>20538
it comes from the same people who think Iran is a bastion of trans progressiveness, even though most "trans" people are forced into into (it's illegal to be gay in Iran)

No. 20909

>>20525
I know what you mean and it's a cringe idea. I think it comes from the thought that if this group of perverts become powerful enough, then all perverts of all fetishes can force their fetish onto normal women under threat of firing or social ostracism. Female dignity runs at odds with male fetishes

No. 20910

>>20748
I try to be the same. I hate this shit and I hate thinking about it. It's all censorship or propaganda or stupid shit. I wish everyone was normal

No. 20911

>>20759
A lot of women left or become less active. I usually go to vent. Some stuff is more popular than others like whining about pronouns as opposed to talking about doing the legal work of helping prostitutes. I often have my comments removed for using "bad words" Like I once called Lizzo a mammy, which she is, and I got my comment deleted. I wish there was more room for ideological diversity.

No. 20912

>>20840
2015, the way people worshipped Jenner and mocked Dolezal. I thought both were cringe but I only got yelled at for one. Later in 2017, I got introduced to terf tumblr and had some fun. I left in 2020 because of the drama and later stumbled here in 2022.

No. 20913

troons ruined this song for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz6XZIk9tuw

it's clearly a song about internalized homophobia but they're in the comments trying to make it all about them

No. 20916

>>20913
Of course trannies cannot unsee how is about homophobia when they're the most homophobic group.

Besides that song is from '98, back then there wasn't a flux of TRAs like now, but homophobia was still recovering from the AIDS stigma.

No. 20917

>>20905
You avoided facing the fact that my biology only allows me to be in a feminine role and called me a schizo for just trying to prove my point by analyzing the reality everyone can easily perceive, apparently thinking makes you sound like a schizo. I wake up in this female body everyday and live in it.

No. 20926

>>20916
>of course trannies cannot unsee how is about homophobia when they're the most homophobic group
I live in a fairly gay friendly country so growing up the only insults to gay people I heard were schoolground insults by immature kids. Actually being against gay people was seen as incredibly cringe and bigoted, you'd have to be a religious freak to come to that conclusion. Fast forward to modern day troon times and they're so openly homophobic it's shocking. I had honestly never encounered this much awful and open homophobia until troons came along, and they get no pushback for it in their own circles. They all claim they're not homophobic, while proudly holding up their "suck my girldick or die lesbians" signs. It's insane.

No. 20928

One thing I think is "healthy" about lc is that we're not a real community and it's all anonymous. Some people swap their gender ideology out for an extreme terf/radfem ideology (or other, but this is lc so they're more likely here) when they peak, instead of doing the work to free themselves of the ideology groupthink. I just don't think it's healthy for victims of ideology to jump onto the next ship (even if I obviously have terfy opinions myself kek). It's likely not even their genunine feelings and thoughts then, they haven't actually realized what made troons bad and just want a new ideology to worship so they can go on without having their own thoughts.
Unlike places with usernames you don't get stuck in a "role", you don't have to feel pressured into backing up your words from months ago even tho you changed your mind since then. You can express yourself freely and grow from it.
I'm just rambling lol I think it was lucky that I ended up peaking around lc instead of jumping onto some twitter terfdom bandwagon.

No. 20929

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Is this a troon thing? I'm sorry I have successfully managed to ignore the trans movement despise being online everyday. Why do sexual people have the urge to suck dick or anything that resembles dick or this act, it's such a piglike urge, maybe I am really asexual. But fuck, all these lesbians or trans identifying women (I don't know whatever it's called I'm not big into it) want their "dick sucked" kek. Since I'm writing this I must say that I was living under a rock because I didn't realize how many people are into trans ideology and identify as trans and shit like that. It's such a common thing, why do humans do this? I never see any answers to this and I bet if you asked you would be cancelled.

No. 20930

>>20928
this is true for a lot of people and I think it's a meta-problem for the human race. Another form of preference falsification? I'd rather argue online than be stuck in an echo-chamber.

No. 20931

>>20929
sorry in advance for my spergy response but i was thinking about this yesterday and now i feel like dumping my nonsensical thoughts here. of course i’m autistic and can’t speak for the rest of the population, but i understand sucking dick if it’s a real, actual dick. as humans most of us do have sexual urges and desires and we want to have pleasurable sexual experiences with our partners. i’m guessing that this is a byproduct of porn/female socialization tho as most things are. women feel compelled to give blowjobs because it’s expected of them because most men have rotted their brain with internet porn. and i’m sure women have internalized that and convince themselves they enjoy doing it.

lesbians aren’t immune to the pressures of the patriarchy, even though they aren’t attracted to males and their genitalia. so my best guess is that for them it’s a power thing - they equate penis with dominance, therefore the person sucking the fake penis is the submissive? idfk. it kind of rubs me the wrong way because i understand why lesbians would use a strap on. penetration can feel good, especially if you’ve got a woman fucking you right, but as an honest-to-god bisexual woman myself, i don’t think oral sex on a strap on would do anything for me at all. i’d be turned off from it actually because why, as a woman, are you wanting to do this extremely exclusively male thing that gives you 0 physical pleasure and also degrades me? weird

as for the trannies it’s always because they want to force their penises onto and into women in order to feel validated as the totes real lesbians they pretend to be. they see that women use strap ons and to them it serves as a proxy for their actual penises. because if a woman is only attracted to other women, why would she be putting something shaped like a penis into her vagina!!1!?? she clearly loves dick so why won’t she fuck me and my girl penis??? some of them might be so retarded that they don’t understand why a strap on =/= a real penis in a lesbian woman’s eyes, but mostly they just fetishize women in general (which is why they’re trannies in the first place) and are obsessed with the idea of forcing their dicks into women who want nothing to do with men

No. 20932

>>20928
it's sad seeing people jump from ideology to ideology without examining their issues. you see it with detrans women who go from TRAs to radfem ideology to conservatism.

No. 20937

>>20917
Let's say gender roles are biological, ok so what then? Some people can't see (biology) so we built glasses (technology). Do we have to do something just because it's biological? No. Also you know there's things like evolution right, so something that happens now may not in a million years. It's also natural for many animals to kill each other but humans have laws against murder. It doesn't matter if something is biological or not, it matters if you want to do it or you don't. You might be horny (biology) but that doesn't mean you'll have sex if you don't want to. Just do things you like and don't do things you dislike and stop thinking about whether it's feminine or masculine or a gender role.

No. 20938

>>20928
This is very insightful

No. 20949

>>20931
Tbh I understand sucking dick too. Every other animal licks each others genitals and stuff before mating. I feel like it’s pretty instinctual.

No. 20972

>>20949
>"hurrdurr other animals do x"
so what? we're not those other animals, and you're resorting to troon level logic of "fish can change sex so that means humans can change sex too". Apes don't suck dick and they're our closest relatives. Even if they did, they also fling their own shit around and walk on their knuckles which humans don't so it wouldn't mean anything. You being pornsick with a kink doesn't mean it's "instinctual" just like how it's not "instinct" for a man to want to wear a dress and jerk off in it just because it turns him on.

No. 20973

>>20931
You speculating about lesbians and how they "equate penis with dominance" is very homophobic you dumbass autist. The simple reason why tifs specifically want to have their strap sucked is because they're obsessed with gay porn and yaoi. The trans community has sold them the lie that anything trans is "just like the real thing". A skin tube sown onto your crotch is a real dick, a strap on is a real dick, a prosthetic is a real dick, a big clitoris is a real dick. It's just a way to further their own deeply mentally ill obsession and deluded fetish that they're real men. They're also virgins/outcasts a lot of the time without much real experience, so they watch gay porn/yaoi to get off and hence they're used to seeing a dick that's not their own get sucked off. They're already used to just being the "viewer" and not actually feeling the pleasure.

No. 20978

A gorgeous, unapologetic butch girl I knew and admired for years trooned out. I feel like this world is going crazy and there's no escaping this shit. I destroyed my life with it more than 10 years ago and it took years of irreversibly mutilating and poisoning my body to come to my fucking senses. Why my friends can't see what happened to me and all start hopping on the troon train now when they were literally all regular/GNC people at the time is beyond me.
I have no place to vent, nowhere to air out my frustration and anger at the entire world, at the groomers who told me to lie to doctors and not mention CSA, at those doctors who greenlit my self-harm, at the surgeon who almost killed me with sepsis and left me permanently deformed and traumatized with the memory of near-death slipping in and out of consciousness. I feel so fucking sick of having to be nice and never scream at how insane and irresponsible this all is. I feel so unheard and lost, I can't recognize myself in any community anymore even though I see other detrans women find solace in other ideologies like >>20932 said. At least they can pretend they're healing or campaigning for a cause without really thinking about it, I just think it's all fucked.

Troons have ruined my life and continue to make it hell every day. I'm seeing two therapists, I go to an addiction clinic because I had to find a shit way to cope, I'm trying my fucking hardest to reach out and get help and there's still days like these where I feel like this entire meme has fucked my life up so bad there's never gonna be any going back. I'm never gonna be the woman I wanted to become as a little girl, I just feel like some sort of frankenstein abomination.
I refuse to end things because I don't want them to win but holy shit it's so hard.

No. 20984

>>20978
Anon, I don't have any insight to give you, but I just wanted to share that I am so sorry that happened and I admire your resilience. You could have chosen to become a recluse or double down on the hormones and surgeries, but instead you're taking action by going to therapy and working to get better. You're clearly stronger than the things that happened to you so please keep going. Wishing you much happiness in the future.

No. 20987

>>20973
ayrt, your response is very interesting and makes a lot of sense. all i know about tifs is what i’ve learned from the tif thread here. i was a one direction girly and i definitely got into gay fanfic, as many other stans were, but that was pre tranny epidemic. i’m so glad that was before trooning out was popular because i hate to think about what i might’ve turned out like

also in my defense, i did not proofread my post because my meds had just kicked in (which is why i wrote a wall of text in the first place), and after reading it back now i did not at all come across how i meant to. saying lesbians equate penis with dominance is not at all what i meant to say. what i was trying to get at is the idea of a “top” versus a “bottom.” in a heterosexual relationship a man is automatically assumed to be a “top” because he’s got a dick. i know a handful of women in my own life who claim they are attracted to other women but still are clearly affected by male sexual expectations of women. i feel like wanting another woman to suck their strap is something these people would do because they don’t know how to have sex with women

what i should’ve said instead is that often, the person doing the insertion into another person - whether it be penis, fingers, whatever - is seen as the dominant person between the two. really i’m talking about a very small subset of lesbians, the ones who i think are the type to want another woman to suck a plastic penis instead of actually just having sex with each other - the ones who are clearly still wired to think about men in bed, even when they’re with women. because that’s the only reason i personally can imagine any woman wanting another woman to “go down on her.” unless they’re a penis envying tif kek

No. 20988

>>20828
I think it's ridiculous that we equate not buying into gender bs with being "centrist" or right wing. If anything I believe being gender critical is an inherently left-wing idea. To believe our birth sex doesn't dictate anything but our reproductive organs, that we don't buy into implicit gender roles is a notion ideologically opposed to the regimented gender roles of the right.
I'm as left as they come, and peaking didn't change that. It actually enhanced it.

No. 20989

>>20988
>If anything I believe being gender critical is an inherently left-wing idea. To believe our birth sex doesn't dictate anything but our reproductive organs, that we don't buy into implicit gender roles is a notion ideologically opposed to the regimented gender roles of the right.
It's sad because the left /did/ endorse this before but then trans epidemic happened. Now if you take any issue with a man identifying as a woman because wearing dresses and makeup gives him ~euphoria~ then you're transphobic. The thing is a lot of troons and TRAs themselves recognize that "gender-affirming care" relies on stereotypes that should be dismantled but it makes trannies feel better and they won't 41% so we have to uphold them.

No. 20990

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I think I’ve officially peaked. What the fuck. Why are they celebrating the humiliation of women????

No. 20992

So disappointing to discover that one of my childhood friends (who was a tomboy) is now a tif and the other one is a libfem who is into polyamory and poledancing even though we believed in feminist ideals as tweens.

I am also blown away by the lack of self awareness by tras who accuse gender criticals of being fascists or cultlike even though their movement checks pretty much all the boxes for both. It's so hypocritical.
Sometimes I listen to the radio while driving and they would often talk about trans issues, I remember one woman calling in to voice her concerns over men in women's prisons and the host immediately dismissed what she was saying as irrelevant and quickly moved onto the next subject.

The amount of times people proclaim that 'women are sometimes born with penises' with a straight face and no hint of irony is mindblowing. It's straight up gaslighting.
I hate how words have no meaning when it relates to sex, gender and sexuality. If words can mean whatever we want them to, and word definitions can be changed on a whim then doesn't that render language meaningless?! Why is it gatekeeping when it comes to the definition of 'woman' but not something like 'athlete' or 'neurosurgeon'?

I remember how much they ridiculed people like Rachel dolezal and Olli London, but would turn around and insist 'oh no gender is totally different and untouchable!! It just is, dude trust me!!!!'
People argue that being trans isn't a mental illness then why do need insurance to cover the pills and procedures? It's dishonest to peddle these extreme body mods as life saving surgery.
Is it just about clothes? Like a subculture? Gay people don't need clothing or body mods to become their true selves, why are they grouped together and treated the same? In fact trans people are coddled and handled with kid gloves, and nobody finds it strange? It makes me cringe whenever my handmaiden friends fawn over an unexceptional trans person, they're clearly doing this because the person is trans it's so pathetic.

The goalposts keep moving, in fact they are harder to reach than the fucking golden snitch.
And it's definitely to do in part with how simple concepts are now overly complicated and indefinable.

I peak every damn day nonnas

No. 20993

>>20978
Sorry you had to go through all that nona. Vent here as much as you want. I think your voice is super important, it might help save someone if you created a twitter account to write about your experiences. You can be anonymous and only say as much as you want yet get your story "out there" so you don't carry it all in silence. Follow a few other detrans people too. The fact that they literally told you to lie about CSA and that you almost died is fucking awful and I don't want that to just be silently swept under the rug so trans people can keep going "less than 1% regret rate! No one is speaking out so it must be true!". I hope you're suing doctors, therapists and everyone involved.

No. 20994

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>>20992
>The amount of times people proclaim that 'women are sometimes born with penises' with a straight face and no hint of irony is mindblowing. It's straight up gaslighting.
I think the only appropriate reaction when someone says this to your face is to look at them like they're insane and give a dumb excuse to leave immediately. Don't engage with the conversation at all, yet make it obvious that you think they're crazy. It is literally not worth having the conversation at all because of how deeply brainwashed they have to be to state that so the only way to save yourself from headache is going "well i gotta go work now bye". You didn't say anything bad so they can't directly accuse you of being a terf and get you in trouble because they have no proof. Yet the social "backlash" and feeling humiliated from someone clearly signaling they think they're crazy will frustrate and embarrass them.

If there's a third person present look at them and roll your eyes or shrug in a way that says "lol here they go again with their crazy talk" so it looks like you're 2 against one. Normal people will obviously agree with you and feel the same kek. If the TRA calls you out you just kinda go "oh no no it's nice that you have opinions anyway gotta go work bye"

No. 20995

>>20993
Thank you. The idea has been in my head for a few years, but I have to stay anonymous for my safety (public career) and it's much easier to accuse an anonymous testimony of being a lie. I'm in touch with a nonprofit to write about certain aspects of my experience just so it's out there with the entirety of the facts as accurately as I can remember it, but our stories get picked up by people who also tend to be extreme misogynists/racists/etc. Besides sensible radfems, no one left-aligned ever amplifies our voice - it's extremely rare that those who also support troons aren't also trying to either speak over us ("it's only 1%!" misinformation) or silence us. I don't wanna be associated with the fash or various types of political retards, but it's not my choice - I think I'll leave a lengthy disclaimer about how this is just me detailing my story and leaving it out there for all to see and make their own opinion of it, not acting as an ideologically motivated piece. If anything, it should just be proof none of it is safe, especially not for under-21's or anyone struggling mentally.

I've been thinking of suing my surgeon and getting chest reconstruction with the settlement money (I won't fight in court, I just want him to realize the damage he's done to a profoundly troubled woman, and get my money back). It'll be long and frustrating - I've been trying to find a medical lawyer to no avail, and I have to pay to get my case file back from the original clinic and the public one that did the emergency surgery for sepsis. The psychiatrist who wrote the HRT letter has been retired for a few years but was notorious for never saying no to anyone, including minors. His damage is done and he'll die rich with no consequences - all I can do about him is never forget evil people like him exist and rebuild myself better guarded.
I'm thinking of writing the endocrinologist a letter detailing the extent of testosterone's harm on my body now (physical and mental prejudice). I just don't know if I should wait to find a lawyer and write it together to make it clear I'm suing her, or just a strongly worded letter so she may begin to lose sleep over what she did to all those teens with no oversight over the past 15 years.

No. 20996

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No. 20997

>>20990
hope this peaks more women. not just the battery itself but all the trannies and handmaidens reacting to it saying "based" or "deserved". these people are so out of touch that words and protests are violence but apparently this isn't. i'll be cheering on as troons keep losing more "rights", why people still extend them any sympathy is beyond me kek

No. 20999

>>20990
They openly show again and again how much they hate women and people won't bat an eye, equality is a lie.

No. 21000

>>20876
Please tell us what you’d say to them, I have a couple “NB” friends that will vehemently deny they are women but Im starting to talk to them on other RF subjects and they agree with me!

No. 21002

>>20989
exactly. And now it has all these people skewing conservative because they don't like trannies. Makes me want to a-log, especially seeing conservative lesbians pushed out of their spaces by troons thinking the right will save them. Newsflash, they're coming for you too, your ideological safe haven isn't with the right. They do not care, the most they'll do is prop you up as their token.

No. 21004

>>20885
Every time I've tried this the person I'm talking to has just decided that I'm trans too and in denial, sadly

No. 21006

Recently talked to my normie friend about trans stuff and she basically agreed with everything I said, it was basically us circlejerking over finding trannies weird and annoying. I opened up to my other friends about it too and while they weren't entirely on board, the discussion was pretty chill. I don't expect any of them to peak but I managed to squeeze out of them that none of them actually see trans people as the gender they claim to be, they just use pronouns as a nicety and because they don't want to get in trouble over that stuff. Also ranted to my sister about how nonbinary was dumb awhile ago because I saw she had she/they in her Instagram bio and she changed it to she/her recently lol.

>>21004
Why are these people so attached to the gender paradigm that they project it onto others? It shouldn't take more than 2 braincells to understand that disliking gender roles doesn't mean you're trans or uncomfortable with your sex itself, it just means gender roles are retarded. Must be annoying to deal with, sorry nonna.

No. 21009

>>20995
>I'm in touch with a nonprofit to write about certain aspects of my experience just so it's out there
That sounds great nona glad you're doing that.
>I've been thinking of suing my surgeon
Please do sue them, women are far far less likely to sue, and these people know that so they feel safe preying on girls and women when they know they will only either blame themselves or they'll be like "i just want him to say sowwy and pwomise to never do it again uwu" no matter how badly they fuck them up. Nah girls, sue the shit out of those predatory bastards.
>I'm thinking of writing the endocrinologist a letter detailing the extent of testosterone's harm on my body now
I would start writing it all now as best you can, but then maybe save it at least for a while so if you find a lawyer they can help you go through it and perfect it with you before sending it. If you haven't found lawyer within like a year then just send it as is so you don't just forget to ever send it.

No. 21010

>>21004
If they're like that you probably have to be clear with them, but that involves being "transphobic" so you can't be sneaky about it at all, which makes them want to ghost you for being a bigot.
So in that case rather than convincing them personally, you should instead talk shit about agp and predatory trans people. It should be about individuals so if they try to call you transphobic you can lean on it just being one person "pretending" to be trans when he's clearly just a gross agp fetishist who wants to prey on kids and women (which they'll later find out is the vast majority of tims but they're not ready for that).
So instead of "all tims are gross predators" you find one single case and go "look at this disgusting woman abusing kids, she's giving trans people a bad name. honestly, i think it's just an agp fetishist who's not even a REAL trans woman - HE's a gross fetishist and it's hurting both the victims and trans people that HE acts this way and pretends to be trans"

No. 21011

Used to be friend with a TiM.
He got a "boyfriend" who only appear to fuck him, gifted this dude a guitar, a PS5 controller and a spider man suit, got in debt because of the gifts, sells the computer his father gave it to him for his 18 birthday.
The dude breaks up with him, makes out with this TiM best friend in a Halloween party, a girl, so fucking pretty it hurts, using the spider man costume. They post pictures together and all.
Sadly, has not become part of the %, but after all i saw him do, I wish he did, I fell terrible for saying this, but this is just something stupid he has done, one day I will spill more of the evil things.
They're all the same, they're man. Evil, evil.

No. 21012

I have to say, I have not peaked so much since the trannies in my discord group chat stopped being active, one of them was "venting" about wanting hormones and finding out the her doctor was in fact, not a real doctor.
I don't know nonas, I feel blessed for finally being able to see this shitshow for what it is.

No. 21013

Nonas how long ago did you peak?
Or to frame it differently, how long ago were you still pro-trans/handmaiden a TRA or trans yourself?

I think I was still a casual handmaiden around when the pandemic started, so I peaked over 2020 (weirdly, peaking was not related to the pandemic). So it's only been about 3 years since I peaked.

Whenever I see pro-trans people of all kinds I get slightly smug because I know some of them will have switched side just a year or two from now. They think it will "never happen to them" but it will, they'll peak. I was there myself before peaking so I know they think they couldn't possibly ever even come to understand how anyone could be so "evil" and "bigoted" as to be against trans people. And I can't wait to give them a virtual hug and jokingly ask "what took you so long?" when I welcome them to the peaked side. I'll also hand them their appointed personal terf-shiba kek

No. 21017

>>21013
I'm >>20871 so I've already said my piece about how I peaked, but I don't think I fully peaked until maybe 2017-2018? It was a very gradual thing so I can't put my finger on it.

No. 21024

Today I am absolutely fucking livid. A troon allegedly got knocked down and told to die on my campus by some shitty moids and what followed was an avalanche of concern emails from faculty and administration about how hate has no place in the school and here are a list of counseling resources and you are loved, blah blah blah.

What upsets me about this is that for the rape and other assault reports, it gets the usual copy paste resources and assurances in the same email, but since a sacred troon got hurt this time, STOP THE PRESSES, time to send 20 emails about providing help and happy fee fees.

It just makes me side-eye the troons waddling around to classes in cat ears, pleated skirts, and Wish striped thigh eyes even harder.

No. 21025

>>21013
I also already discussed it here >>20876 but I think there were several mini-peakings starting in 2016 that I couldn't really accept until late 2020. I also didn't mention it, but I initially didn't "get it" around 2012-2013 and it took all my friends AND my (irl) girlfriend becoming TIFs for me to buy into it.

>>21000
Your mileage will vary depending on which TIFs you talk to. TIFs who don't want to be seen as men and actively hate men because of trauma are easier to reach than the hardcore "I'm a fagdyke genderfreak" types. If your friends are agreeing with you about some RF talking points, that's a good sign though, and means they're probably more like the former.

These ones are very easy to reach by saying you were (or considered identifying as) NB because you were uncomfortable with gender roles and felt like you were denied humanity for being female. If you have specific examples, even better. Many of them will recognize themselves in what you're saying. If they're receptive, you can say a lot of the online discourse was destructive to coming to terms with yourself because they conflated gender roles with gender and made it "uncool" to just be a woman.

I'm autistic and so are a lot of other TIFs (or they want to be/think they are), so that's another easy entry point. Autistic women are underdiagnosed and expected to mask their symptoms, but often chafe against gender norms enough to be punished for it socially without understanding why. Many TIFs also have this experience–they are easy to tell apart as the ones who say they were always "bad at being girls" and struggled to relate to other girls. I tell them I have no internal sense of gender and many autistic women don't, but the idea that this means I'm failing the woman test is just repackaging what people told me my whole life in a "progressive" package. If they're receptive to all this, sometimes I also eventually bring up being a lesbian and how hard it is to accept your attraction to women when you're told that you're bad and gross for categorically not liking dick, but you have to be really careful with this one because a lot of TIFs are programmed to defend TIMs like their lives depend on it despite never once interacting with TIMs, much less having sex with them.

You have to go slow and feel out how the person you're talking to is receiving it. If they start trying to argue with you, you have to just say you get where they're coming from and back down. A lot of times, it's just literally the first time they're hearing something like this from someone they trust and it sort of shatters the echo chamber they're in. Some will feel very threatened by this at first, but then a few months later quietly change their pronouns back. You shouldn't expect full-blown peaking, but if you have the right approach, you will notice them being more comfortable calling themselves women, talking about their female experiences (like periods), and complaining about men more often. Just be patient and make it obvious they can come to you if they start having doubts.

No. 21027

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I love how a stupid meme makes the TRAs cry more for "trans erasure" than for gay moids being misogynists.

Then again, we are talking about the furry fandom on its own.

No. 21031

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>>21027
Not going to post the whole rant but it ends with "we are animals and gender is constructed by colonial society and blah blah blah". I'm sorry to tell you, bro, but we are animals that both female and male have differences, and one of them is a female has a vagina and a male has a penis. No, intersex people still count and no, genetic problems still fall between a female problem or a male problem.

No. 21038

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STOP TRANSWASHING HISTORY

No. 21039

>>21038
Considering he would be an AGP now, I think it fits him.

No. 21040

one of my friends trooned out and i feel so disgusted with him. he was a nerdy guy but he was the last one i expect to troon out. now he wrote in his sns bio ”i give syrupy footjobs” and i gagged so hard. sir your family literally follows you… they want to be women so bad, they claim to be women so bad but act like a fucking anime girls or porn caricatures. i remember the innocence i had around troons naively thinking they wanted to live their life, i can’t imagine having it now. they make women peak even more

No. 21041

>>21024
That's some bs honestly. I would send an angry email back about it and talk to all the females around you too to peak them.

No. 21042

>>21031
If sex wasn't binary and gender is fluid like they all claim surely there would be a bunch of "vag-enis" and "pen-ainas" that are fully functioning mixes of the two sexes… instead we only get broken, non-working, messed up versions of vaginas and penises that went wrong in development to the point that we can classify exactly what and where it went wrong. In every single case.

No. 21043

>>21040
>>they claim to be women so bad but act like a fucking anime girls or porn caricatures
Because that's what they see us as, nonna. They think women are lolicon hentai characters whose only purpose is being sex objects. They don't deserve sympathy in the slightest.

>>21038
I mean, he was a weirdo who prostituted himself, had sex with his slaves, wasn't loved by anyone, tried to force an entire Empire to worship penises, killed people during orgies and killed doctors because they told him they couldn't change his genitals, so… Yeah, he's like the first AGP in history.

No. 21048

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Intersex people: Please do not use us for your samples, we have not the same conditions:

TRAs:

No. 21052

>>20996
Next threadpic should be another TERF Shiba meme.

No. 21060

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>>20972
I was replying to >>20931 on the “sucking strap being porn brainrot vs sucking dick being instinct” topic. Save your hurrdurr shit and learn to read before replying.
“I understand why humans would want to lick another humans genitals, every other animal is wired to engage on basic foreplay, I don’t think it’s entirely porn brainrot” doesn’t equal “I think humans SHOULD want and MUST lick penises, it’s 100% free of criticism and free of patriarchal influence in all cases, natural means it’s automatically good”.
>You being pornsick with a kink
Oral sex isn’t a kink, it’s literally ingrained in our brains unless you’re a species who strictly mates by force, and it’s not comparable to men cumming to pink bows and long hair. Oral is actually the preferred way for orgasm for women on the receiving end even if they don’t consume porn. How’s that a kink? involving erogenous body parts on sex is literally the opposite of a fetish.
Now, should women involve themselves with males and make them feel good when they make up 98% of rapists and porn consumers? That’s a whole different sentence and not what I was commenting about. (Answer is, they shouldn’t. I was merely saying I understand it and don’t think the want for it comes strictly from porn)
> Apes don't suck dick and they're our closest relatives.
Thanks for being so retarded I now have this cursed on my history. Guess someone’s been giving pornhub memberships to bonobos.

No. 21064

>>21060
>Oral sex isn’t a kink, it’s literally ingrained in our brains
you still sound pornsick to me tbh, most women i know find the thought of sucking dick gross and the ones who do it only do it to match their moids expectations from porn
i mean by all means act like a bonobo if you want to, the rest of us will act human

No. 21065

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>>21040
Unfriend him and let him know it was because he posts his gross fetish stuff in public. And as always, tell all your female friends about it so they can peak too.
The best peaking method really is to have people interact with or show them what troons do/say when left on their own. So many handmaidens start peaking the second they get to know a troon, even if it's just some subtle doubts at first.

I knew this troon online in my friend group and he was truly hideous and male looking - stringy dyed red hair with a terrible hairline, no chin + overweight in the male beer belly way. I was sort of fake-nice to him and felt both like I was doing my "good ally"-part but also a bit guilty for lying to his face and saying he's pretty. He was always SO entitled, we were not close at all and he'd still tag me in public being like "nonaaaa please get me this rare item in the game!!!" and I had to then stop my own day to grind that shit out to give to him for a few hours just because I couldn't say no without looking bad (he knew it would take hours). Then all I'd get was a simple "thank you" and he'd go back to not speaking to me. He also begged me to make him free art since I was the artist of the group, and he'd make additions and changes that made it take even longer. He was the first troon I ever "knew" so before that it was easy to play mind games and pretend I would totally see these innocent transwomen as real women and be the best ally ever. But the second I had to interact with him I had to start facing I would never not see him as the male he was.

No. 21071

I’m so fed up with all this idk. I wish I could just tell everyone i know to unfriend me and block me right now because I don’t support this trans shit I never really did and I never fucking will and furthermore I’ll always think you have a shit smear for a brain if you believe anyone can change sex at will. I’m so sick of seeing anything about it and I just don’t know how this is ever going to end because the money in medicinally transitioning and detransitioning people is too good and policy especially in the US is always going to follow the largest profit. Women’s safety and dignity is has been and will remain a nonissue so it doesn’t even matter how much we organize or highlight how this damages us. Nobody gives a shit, they’d always rather make a bunch of perverts and mental cases comfortable. God

No. 21079

Fuck you fuck you fuck you to those stupid heterosexual assholes who had the nerve to lecture me about my OWN sexuality and my OWN identity and offer to dm me "resources" to fucking neo-queer academic articles circlejerking over polilez zines from the 90s saying umm actually men have always been part of the lesbian scene and have always inserted themselves into the culture, so I guess I should've just shut the fuck up, huh? What the hell do I know? My only credentials are same sex attraction, unlike these enlightened thinkers who overdosed on theory until they entered a new age of existence as enlightened genderfluid lesbisexuals. It's like they can tell, they sniff out the actual gay people specifically to pile on and bully and make sure they know that they better stay in line or else they'll be one of those evil gays that everyone hates and are worse than straight people actually. One time I had a problem with someone saying "public sex is queer" and got completely shat on and sent yet more condescending links, all because I was lame and uncool enough to "think of the children". FUCK YOU. I never could have prepared for this type of bullying in my life, I only lasted as a handmaiden for a year and I wonder how I didn't snap sooner.

No. 21083

>>21079
we have come full circle from homophobic people saying being gay is inherently degenerate and that is a BAD thing…to gays being normalized to most of society…to being gay is inherently degenerate and that is a GOOD thing!! i really hope the LGB separates from the TQ+ shit more and more but the kweer community loves to verbally abuse anyone who slightly deviates from their standard. ironically the people who preach diversity the most are the most sensitive to diversity in thought.

No. 21084

sad that janelle monae is such a handmaiden. she genuinely is such an amazing artist with such a unique style. her first two albums are so good and i love love love how she talks about racism/misogyny through like a scifi space opera. genuinely sad to see so many people fall into the libfem "sex work is sex positivity/gender is a feeling" trap before becoming a radfem. a lot of us made it out though perhaps there is some hope

No. 21088

>>21060
Defending a violent, psychologically breaking act in which women faces and face expressions look deformed or like a fish or duck just cause you think animals do it? Dick doesn't even fit into a human mouth and it literally bruises it + only ever serves men

No. 21094

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Saw this TIF and it makes me sad how porn rooted she is, to the point she thinks she's an addict (but is ok, men masturbate, right?) and that her mother is an evil transphobe so if her mother try to use a parental control block, she's going to cry she's being abused. Nor seeing mental help because "evil doctors cannot respect my pronouns".

I'm hoping she's not getting "help" from other TRAs, specially AGP ones claiming they're going to be her "new mom" now.

No. 21129

>>21071
>I’m so fed up with all this idk. I wish I could just tell everyone i know to unfriend me and block me right now because I don’t support this trans shit I never really did and I never fucking will and furthermore I’ll always think you have a shit smear for a brain if you believe anyone can change sex at will.
Same, nona, same! But I'm not american nor canadian so I'm a little more positive since my country is rolling back "gender care" for minors and journalists are starting to question transition more openly here. However since I'm a terminally online loser most of my friend groups are hyper woke insufferable people when it comes to certain issues, like troons. It never stops to shock me how they can be reasonable and intelligent people in 99% of cases but as soon as trans is mentioned their brain drops to an IQ of about 40. It's like talking to a stubborn toddler who is convinced that their own shit will be the most delicious meal and no matter how hard you try to stop them they just cry and call you evil while still trying to gobble it up.

The existence of secret gender criticals like you and me gives me hope. How many more people in my group are silently banging their heads against the wall in frustration, pretending to be woke to not get crucified? There are a few who go silent during trans debates, I'm suspecting they're not fully honest about their stances. And I wonder how many of them will end up peaking just a year from now.

No. 21136

>>21129
>>21071
Nonnas please, I am begging you to get off the internet and find some IRL hobby groups to make some normal non-woke friends.

I used to be just like you, most of my friends were into anime and nerd shit and super woke, and one day I decided to self-cancel by posting something blatantly TERFy on social media. Part of me did it just because I wanted to see what would happen. A bunch of people unfriended me, some of whom I'd known for years, but my life's gotten so much better since then. For one, I don't feel like I need to hide myself and my opinions for fear of being unpersoned, because it already happened. Number two, plenty of people didn't unfriend me, so I know that those people either tacitly agree with my views, or they're not terminally online enough to care one way or the other about trans stuff. I've prioritized deepening my friendships with those people since then, and I've tried out new hobbies where I've made new friends, and twanz rights and woke shit practically never comes up in conversation when we hang out.

No. 21153

Sucks when you meet another friendly woman online and then you look at her bio and it says they/them. Sigh. Thank god I'm esl so I can at least fall back on "oops pronouns and english hard" when I "accidentally" misgender her

No. 21154

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oh yeah an extraterrestrial non-human that can regenerate said something that is not related to his own planet! how woke!

No. 21156

Gendies are so entitled, just watched a youtube live and one commenter was SO mad another person didn't agree with non-binary being a thing and this person angrily goes "um can we deal with this person saying non-binary people don't exist????" as if they were being genocided by the statement. Other people have other religious believes than you, chill out. They got the person banned just for disagreeing with their gender religion. I can't even imagine a christian coming in to the chat like "umm this person said god isn't real, can we deal with them and ban them???"

At least the streamer just told the person to stop talking about "it" because it "wasn't productive" and made no mention of gender or being an ally, which is typically the case. I'm hoping it's a sign they're a crypto terf but too smart to jeopardize their following by saying anything anti-gender openly. Probably not, but a girl can dream lol

No. 21157

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>>21156
>Non-binary thing doesn't exist.
>ARE YOU SAYING WE SHOULDN'T EXIST? DON'T YOU KNOW WE ARE IN A LITERAL GENOCIDE IN THE USA RIGHT NOW? ARE YOU A TERF??

Jeez, talking about grasping at straws to be the victim.

No. 21159

>>21157

>I am an atheist. I don’t believe in God

>ARE YOU SAYING CHRISTIANS DON’T EXIST? Are you saying Christians should be genocided???

Any time anyone mentions troon shit, just replace the word “trans” with a religion of your choice, and it immediately becomes clear how cult-like it all is. I hope that eventually the trans trend dies down, but apparently feeding Christians to the lions in ancient Rome didn’t discourage (all of the) people from converting, it just bolstered the cause by creating martyrs. I think transgenderism will die down once more states/countries ban transition for minors, and more doctors and hospitals and insurance agencies stop performing/paying for surgeries because they’re worried about getting sued. But there will always be quack doctors in Thailand or Pakistan or wherever who are willing to do whatever surgeries people want for the right price, and there will always be bathtub troonshine brewers. Like, people know meth and heroin are bad for them, but people still make and sell those drugs, and people still buy them every day.

No. 21162

>>21159
>I think transgenderism will die down once more states/countries ban transition for minors, and more doctors and hospitals and insurance agencies stop performing/paying for surgeries because they’re worried about getting sued.

Nah, those stuff make them martyrs in this "cis patriarchal monowhatever" world. The one way I see the transgenderism dying for real is when both boys and girls learn that they can do break the genderism without mutilating their own bodies (aka girls can be tomboys and boys can do 'women stuff') and that nothing /no one can tell them what to do or think. But as long there are quack doctors and adults spreading shit like >>21154 related, I don't think it's going to die any time soon, and that's what scares me of most.

At least emo phase is seems like a joke about the "I'm so sad, I want to kms" because no one takes that seriously, but the trans phase is seems so horrifying with the "gimme surgery or I'll become in the 41%" because people will flip and "research" to show they're serious.

I know is stupid to compare emo with trans, but since I'm an old anon, I do remember how emo were popular back then and faded slowly. Trans phase seems to stay and now you cannot be against it because "that makes you a bigot".

No. 21170

I lurk my friend's tumblr, and every so often she'll reblog a murder fantasy or unhinged strawman about "terfs" and it's just, for fuck's sake.

No. 21174

>>21159
>Any time anyone mentions troon shit, just replace the word “trans” with a religion of your choice, and it immediately becomes clear how cult-like it all is.
I think it's really important to point out that trans ideology really is a religion/spirituality when you peak people about it. The word cult makes it seem like there's an evil leader controlling them so I use the word carefully at first. It just makes it more clear how deeply these people have faith in the nonsense and why they won't question the super obvious illogical things (like non-binary people existing), and then once they get it you mention how it works as a cult that harms people but they can't see it because they're in it. I think literally doing what you said and replace the word trans with a religion seriously is a good way to demonstrate it.

No. 21175

>>21162
I agree with the other anon, it will die down a lot from the surgery bans because the bans come from and with public awareness. Kids can be stupid, but many of them are catching on to how illogical it all is. Girls still know their pornsick male trans classmate is a guy, and they know the female adhd autist trans classmate isn't a real boy. Once they've been told it's ok to not indulge those obviously mentally ill people they're not going back.

>>21170
Can you call her out on it? Or pretend to vent and complain about someone else reblogging violent shit against women/feminists specifically so she hopefully feels called out without you saying it's her

No. 21176

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>>21175
Thing is that these kids can be stupid as hell, but they're also smart enough to know if someone disagree with their tranny shit, they can just cry how poor of them are of having bigoted parents/relatives/friends and they'll have a mob to support them/send them money/"be their relative instead". And these days the image you have in social media matters more than think "no one of these people know me at all" like in the old days. Not mention also that there are already people trying to put their kids into trans ideology and are worried their kid do not understand (picrel).

You can show them how cultish/brainwashing/dangerous their thinking is (and they're), but they always cry back with "at least I'm not a bigot/terf".

So even if you ban the surgeries, they'll still find a way to make it public they're banning it for the "literal genocide", not because it harms kids.

>>21174
That's true, but they take offense when you compare them with religion. "This is who we are!" they yell, while shunning the detrans peo- wait.

No. 21178

>>21176
>Thing is that these kids can be stupid as hell, but they're also smart enough to know if someone disagree with their tranny shit
As someone who is a secret raging GC terf and still a beloved member of several violently pro-trans groups I can tell you that no they are not smart enough to tell, they have no idea they're besties with an evil terf kek
I know you're feeling very doompilled right now anon, but my country is one of those that are putting up bans and now talking about the negative effects of trans medicalization - of course the trans people here cry about it being transphobic, but few people give a shit when all the science and evidence speak against them. Real kids were permanently harmed, people don't trust them anymore.

That pic is so depressing, her young mentally disabled kid is in distress and she is only thinking of herself. I honestly think the vast majority of trans parents aren't mentally fit to be parents, they're just too mentally ill and the effects on the child are too damaging. Time and time again we see a trans parent's kids also magically happens to be trans! All 5 of them, wow what are the odds!

No. 21179

>>21176
You're doing the mistake of thinking you can peak TRA and trans cultists. You can't, they're literally currently delusional and in a cult, so you're wasting your time and energy by talking to a wall. Only the cultists who are curious and start doubting the cult will start to look up more info and peak, but they have to reach that point on their own. Most of them will eventually peak, it's just a matter of time - but they can't be forced to do it. It's NOT your job to peak them, it's not your fault they got sucked into it.

You need to focus on people who aren't already in the cult, inform them before the cult gets to them. Point at the cultist acting like that and say "look they won't even listen when I ask all of these logical and reasonable questions, instead they resort to violence and that's why people are scared to go against them". Inform your parents and grand parents, and they will in turn talk to their peers to spread the word that way. Talk to the young kids in your family and tell them the gender stuff is all a lie that their school or friends might try to sell them (and tell them you know they're too smart to fall for it, it will make them feel proud and want to go against the gender stuff). E-mail people in authority in protest if trans people are allowed in female spaces. Give them sane logical arguments against trans people.

No. 21180

>>21156
Enbys will 9/10 times reply to "non-binary isn't real" with
>"oh so I don't exist then????? clearly I do and i'm an enby so you're wrong!!!!"
like girl please the only part of you that doesn't exist is a functioning amount of braincells. they always throw out these bad-faith dumb ass arguments that will only take up your time and lead nowhere because they will continue to act dumb about it

No. 21188

I stopped talking to my mid 20s NEET shut-in TIM online friend (knew him since he was a gay teenager) for like five days because he literally would not spamming me with TIM-related media, discourse and lyrics from TIM artists while ignoring my message about something else. He still spergs about gay celebrities but complains about gays being transphobic daily, since he got ignored on Grindr as an effeminate guy in the past. What did he do when I regained some energy from my break and checked his messages? Say he tried to commit suicide by choking himself and passed out at 6AM. He told me he did it because he stumbled upon TERF Twitter making fun of how the TIM on Doctor Who looks, so he feels like he's stuck inside waiting to die and he'll never pass. That's some self-awareness at least. He's told me for years now he won't go outside until he gets a hair transplant (wear a hat) and laser hair removal (wear clothes), paid for by his dad's eventual huge pension. He said part of the reason he wants to pass is because he's scared of being hate-crimed (and he was aggressively approached a few times when he identified as gay, but women get aggressively sexually approached all the fucking time, speaking from experience). Dysphoria is where his self-awareness ends. He's 6 foot 4. He can defend himself from words. A woman can't. Passing as a woman isn't life on easy mode. Dysphoria is the magic word protecting him from even the most gentle criticism and encouragement to do anything, like getting therapy. It's dysphoria's fault he can't make any changes. He said he'll ask his ass gender clinic for therapy next week, after his mum blamed the puberty blockers they negligently prescribed on triggering his mood swings (he has diagnosed bipolar). I'm sure that will really help! Not!

He insinuated I was overreacting about how serious the situation is, after egging a reaction with his suicide threat. It's a little creepy how he does that. It reminds me of narcissists gaslighting. He has said he thinks he has narcissism. He started bitching about radical feminists for causing him to try to die and then went off on choice feminists, so I asked which feminism he agrees with, and he responded "Not sure, actually." If I say what I really think, he'll play victim about me being a TERF or some such shit and pretend he doesn't know what else to do (even though he has endless options), go kill himself and blame me in his suicide note. I told my therapist about this and she said it's basically abuse.

No. 21191

>>21188
Stop talking to him, it's not your job to save him.

No. 21203

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delulu is not a solulu

No. 21217

I want to distance myself from the trannie I had become friends with.
I post something about Harry Potter and he start sending me messages about how I shouldn't be giving money to J.K. Rowling.

I want to be petty and post things that cannot get me "exposed"
Only my close friends know that I'm a terf and they had openly talked to me about being afraid for my safety if this comes out.

I put myself in a very liberal friend group since I was young, it would be social suicide and probably would hurt on my work too.

But yeah, they're 100% the ones who are suffering for they life's.

I miss being able to say that I love being a woman without having to make man feel included.

No. 21218

>>21170
Now she's calling gay men faggots. In an enlightened way, in which she, a gay man is transgressively reclaiming the word.
What a meme.

No. 21219

Just watched GMM and Stevie stopped Rhett and Link a few minutes in to "correct" them that the girl featured in the videos is a they/them. It was so annoying I stopped watching the video. This fucking mass-delusion is so exhausting. It's even more annoying the two of them left the church and lost their faith because they realized it wasn't true and was hurting people - only to now promote this harmful shit instead.

I wonder if Stevie would suck girldick since she's a lesbian, or if she's too transphobic at heart. I wonder if Rhett and Link would fuck the ass of a troon and suck his dick, since they're straight and "transwomen are women". Do they really truly think calling what they saw was obviously a female like any other female a "they/them" matters and is the right thing to do?

I'm just so disappointed in them, and creators who pander to troons in general. Once this is all over, do they think people will forget and forgive them for directly promoting and giving money to places that literally mutilate children? What makes them think it won't be like when all old youtubers did "comedic blackface" because it was seen as ok, only to then got cancelled over it 10 years later?

If you're a cryptoterf creator I think the only way to do it would have been to "misgender" the girl the whole episode, and then put a pinned comment in the comments below "correcting" it with some "oops, we missed that she uses they/them so sorry but we loved her videos" which can then easily be deleted if needed and it doesn't impact the actual video. That way it will also be less embarrassing for the girl featured when she in a few years from now peak and realize how embarrassing it was to have gone by they/them. Which I guarantee will happen.

No. 21220

>>21218
you should post screenshots of her posts, she sounds like a cow and we're thirsty for milk here lol

No. 21221

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>>21203
fixed it.
it's genuinely so fucking evil to promote hrt as a magic solution to people's mental problems

No. 21223

>>21203
Shit like this makes it obvious that most troons are autistic man/woman-children

No. 21228

I can clock trans people easily online at this point by looking how they portray themselves along with their hobbies. Trans people always try to push an image. The whole shtick with boy / girl / lesbian / gay in their usernames. They will always write something like "just a gay boi living life" or "you probably guessed im a huge fag at this point!!!". For TIMs they constantly bring up 1) being a "lesbian" or a "girl" and 2) will not ever stop making edgy sexual jokes.
I also can't stand gendie humor. you guys know what I'm talking about? It's like every person of gender will have the same ironic, self-aware, weeby, safe-edgy sense of humor. Drives me up a wall.

No. 21230

I was just thinking about the fact that suicide is socially contagious, and trans people are the ones spreading the lie that trans people are at high risk of suicide (even though they weren't at a higher risk*) so the few trans people that do commit suicide… most likely did so literally because other trans people put the idea in their head and told them "yes it's reasonable to feel suicidal over people not calling you a kawaii anime girl". THEY spread the gender dysphoria, THEY taught them to be paraphilic, THEY made them suicidal, THEY killed them with their ideology.

*except the ones that go through with the "life saving" srs surgery that makes them end up more likely to kill themselves according to studies.

No. 21231

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Tired of trans people online asking to be my friends because they like my writing and then throwing a shitfit because they didn't know about me being detrans & GC. They always act like I said a bunch of slurs to their face and then told them to kill themselves. It's not my fault you had a false version of me in your head.

No. 21238

>>21228
I have noticed this exact same thing. It's so blatant, the way they all find excuses to speak in third person, like "I'm the type of man that", "You might be thinking, what is he bla bla bla", "You know me, I'm [male name], the guy that bla bla bla".
TIFs gender themselves and each other more than any man.

No. 21243

>>21231
They have to face having liked a detrans/gc person's work when often in their mind only super old conservative christians are against trans people, it's a reality check for them to have to face someone who was negatviely impacted by trans ideology. It makes them panic in the moment but I'm sure at least for some it's planted a seed of doubt in their minds now that they've seen the "less than 1%" really exists.

No. 21248

>>21238
Holy shit the talking about themselves in third-person is so obnoxious. I've seen 5+ TIFs at this point draw an idealized picture of themselves and write something along the lines of "the silliest guy you've ever met!".
It would be pretty easy to go stealth as a man online, just have a dragonball pfp or something. But I guess you couldn't talk about your mlm himbo ships and your heckin' awesome rats and mushrooms and tarot readings

No. 21249

I love committing microaggressions against TIPs and TRAs by casually referencing Harry Potter plot points in conversation, and by wearing my Harry Potter shirts and accessories and not giving af. I'm not even that big of a fan of the original books and movies but I hope that me saying stuff like "This is just like that one scene in Goblet of Fire!" without following up with the requisite "…but JKR bad!" rejoinder makes them seethe.

No. 21251

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>>21248
>But I guess you couldn't talk about your mlm himbo ships and your heckin' awesome rats and mushrooms and tarot reading

Never once I have seen a moid, except few gay ones, taking tarot or horoscope or zodiac sign seriously, even stuff like altars or pagan witch crafts are seen as a womanly/stupid thing to do, so that's also a big way to recognize a gay moid and a MLM Tif.

No. 21252

I hate how conditioned I've gotten to flinching whenever anything HP-related is brought up, I've been in so many normie situations where people aren't even aware or care about troon-gate so it's obvious normal people don't give a shit about "JK BAD!!!" because they aren't terminally online. Been in so many lectures and normie conversations where Rowling/HP is brought up as an example of a random franchise in imaginary scenarios (like making some sort of list of popular books or characters) where literally no one gave a shit except for me that would tense up and be fully prepared for the "…but JK" part. It's a great reminder that these babies are actually a pretty niched community, they are just so fucking loud and annoying they feel overwhelming, because regular people out in the real world couldn't actually care less - for better or worse.

No. 21253

>>21252
The "JKR is a disgusting TERF and I don't support her, TWAW and protect trans kids" spiels people do before talking about HP are definitely an online-only thing. None of my irl friends even knew about the trans stuff meanwhile the fuck JKR stuff is a necessary ritual on Twitter. A lot of TRAs genuinely can't comprehend that their politics are a terminally online thing, which is how you had people claiming that the majority of Hogwarts Legacy sales were from le ebil TERFs and their allies spite-buying to own the trannies or whatever.

No. 21254

>>21253
You are so lucky. I've had 3 friends do the "JRK bad!" spiel In Real Life (well, one was on a phone call) when discussing Harry Potter. I love these friends but I wish they weren't handmaidens addicted to virtue signaling and parroting the woke opinions they've heard on Tumblr. Maybe they don't actually believe it but they're assuming I'm a TRA (I have colorful hair, tattoos, and piercings so I guess I look the type), and therefore they feel the need to denounce JKR in front of me for fear that I'd otherwise disown them for being a TERF?

With the phone call friend, I was basically like "Oh hey I gotta go now, bye!" and then hung up when she started ranting about JKR. With one friend, when she brought up "but JKR bad tho!" I was like "Ummm… okaaaaaaaaaay…???" and then there was an awkward silence for a second until one of us changed the subject. With the other friend, I basically just said nothing and and started talking about a new topic. This friend is kind of a sperg so she probably didn't even notice what I was doing kek

No. 21256

>>21254
Tell me about it, I have a friend that is always "I'll unfollow any person who post Hogwarts Legacy/Harry Potter because trans kids and bla bla bla", but she never once has unfollowed me when I posted the HL's glitches.

How saw that they put more effort for the poor TIM feels than actual women's problems, something JKR have done a lot.

No. 21257

>>21254
>>21256
Damn I guess I lucked out with my friends being apolitical normies then, that seems annoying to deal with. Were your friends always the activist types? Mine never posted stuff like that aside from BLM because of all the social pressure around it.

>I have a friend that is always "I'll unfollow any person who post Hogwarts Legacy/Harry Potter because trans kids and bla bla bla", but she never once has unfollowed me

No backbone even kek. I thought buying the game was literally genociding trans kids?

No. 21258

>>21249
I'm 26 and I never read HP, should I start?

No. 21260

>>21257
And funny thing is how the ones that were the louder were the TRAs doxxing people playing HL even if it was a stream to donate to a Trans Org. "Protect trans kids" my ass, they just want to whine about a writer that do understand how moids act being tim or not.

>>21258
It is good but it gets darker, so if you're more into happy stuff, I would recommend you the first two books.

No. 21261

>>21219
I used to watch them when I was younger, this is disappointing but not surprising.
>It's even more annoying the two of them left the church and lost their faith because they realized it wasn't true and was hurting people
I think this is probably part of it, at least it was for me. I had a lot of guilt and fear that I was just carrying harmful internalized beliefs, despite being gay myself. They might be looking to "make up" for their past.
>>21256
>>21254
I had a former TiM friend do this to my face as well and I straight up asked him if he read the essay he posted and he said no!! Asked if he could name any transphobic tweets, same answer. The conversation ended there, I think he was embarrassed lol.
>>21260
>it gets darker
I always loved that aspect of the story, the part of growing up where you realize adults don't always have your best interests in mind, when you start seeing the corruption in the government and authority figures. I genuinely hate when people say that HP was never good because it is good, that's part of why they're all so obsessed with it still.

No. 21264

>>21261
Totally. In the movies is more noticeable how the characters grow up and the story shows how nothing is pink glasses in the wizard world. The ones that complains about HP not being good for that reason are the ones that didn't get what you wrote.

No. 21265

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>Had a hard day, want to listen to some audios
>Takes an hour to finally find M4F with good tags and script
>Get everything ready and start playing it
>The female voice with the girliest way of speaking I've ever heard starts playing
>Wait did I misread the tag?
>I didn't
>It's a TIF
>Night ruined
I'm bi so honestly I wouldn't have given a fuck if I really misread F4F as M4F but the fact it was a tiffany bishie wannabe completely ruined the mood and it made me even angrier that another girl in the comments got disliked to hell because she asked the tranny to tag her shit properly with "T"M4F.

No. 21266

>>21252
Why is it ok for people to hate HP when nothing is it is transphobic other than JKR but it’s ok to like media that’s created by racists ? As a black women this always upsets me and when people tell me it’s problematic to like HP I bring this up and it always shuts them up

No. 21269

>>21266
The argument troons make is that
>other racist authors' views don't spill into their work unlike JKR who has antisemitic (goblins), racist (house elf slavery thing, Cho Chang's name), and transphobic (boys not allowed in girl's area at Hogwarts and her other book) elements in her writing
>the other authors aren't millionaires advocating for their racist views with a large platform or whatever so supporting JKR actually leads to harm
Both of them are dumb because JKR obviously isn't some racist nazi but a lot of people didn't care about the TERF shit so TRAs started exaggerating everything to see what could stick in order to make the book look really bad. And a lot of people don't apply the second argument consistently because the FNAF creator was known to donate to Republican's but when this is brought up they give him a pass for whatever reason.

No. 21273

>>21269
What I find really frustrating about people claiming antisemitism in her use of goblins is that her imagining of goblins is a SUPER OLD fantasy trope, but people are acting as if she made it up.

No. 21274

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Imagine being so dense that teens (one of them being trans) handle JKR's "bigoted words" than an adult.

No. 21275

>>21273
And Cho is a quite common surname in China (Zhuo) or Korea (Jo).

I think they also hate her for saying that period are something women do and is against the usage of "people that menstruate, people with ovaries", so of course for TRAs is also a hate speech.

No. 21276

>>21274
How bored do you have to be to argue with zoomers over this shit kek. I understand teens being super involved in useless virtue-signalling politics because it's all that shows up on social media now but if you're older than 21 you should be removing that brainrot from your life. It's like they think for every one Harry Potter plush someone buys it equals one troon death.

No. 21279

>>21276
'Remember, kids, "separate the art from the artist" only if said artist do not think like ME.'

No. 21311

>”transphobes” are not feminist
Are you kidding me you fucking looney trooney? Because having to include men in everything we do or say is so feminist right? How much further can you stray away from feminism than that? I hate men so fucking much.

No. 21312

>>21274
How’s this pea brain going to explain away John Money?

No. 21313

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I can't fucking do this shit anymore, These were all crossposted on crossdressing and femboy subs and the handmaiden mods do fucking nothing and BAN concerned women in the comments, This might actually make me kms I can't fucking live in a world where every single one of my hobbies is infiltrated by men who are forcing me to act on their fetish by just existing. I HATE TRANNIES I HATE AGPS I HATE MALES.

No. 21318

(vent) idk if this is the right place for this but i'm a relatively young adult zoomer who'd been aware of/supportive of trans shit and in the trans community i guess since i was pretty young. i'd always been a lib feminist and due to giving the benefit of the doubt i took everything the trans community spew out and their censorship onboard, and i was ftm for a year but now i'm detrans. enby for a quite a long time but i peaked recently (due to so many reasons, mostly you guys so thank you). it's also partially because of the difference of the way that mtfs get special treatment vs ftms, it's just repackaged misogyny where ftms are insignificant lol. i want to reclaim my identity as a 100% woman as a form of protest against this bullshit.

however, i feel like the only way to get any footing peaking other people is to keep up the enby thing, otherwise people won't take me seriously. it's hard to get away from this shit as a leftist semi-online (i don't really use social media) zoomer with terminally online lefty friends.

i'm seriously sick of this shit nonnas and i don't want to have to grow up with it. i'm so fucking envious of older women who can distance themselves from this easier. i feel like this will inevitably get shoved down our throats more and more. i'm tired of seeing people brainwashed into bending over backwards for this cult with almost religious fervor.

i guess my only option is to go secret terf because although i feel weak for it i can't bear to lose my friends and connections over how i feel about this. i'm autistic and study something computer related which is infamous for having floods of mtfs and ftms, i feel like no matter what i do i can't escape this. and i feel even worse because i've been caping for them for so fucking long i deluded others into doing the same. i desperately want to undo this. i'm fucking distraught. i know it's my fault but it's what people like me are taught to do or we're bigots. the left have a serious problem with censorship and black and white thinking right now. i also hate the fact that right wingers seem to be the most vocal about this opinion because now everyone thinks terfs must be right wingers. no.

i'm educating myself on radfem theory and trying to learn how to spread my message whilst sugarcoating it for the sake of people actually listening but it feels ridiculous that i have to. i don't trust other leftists right now especially leftist men because i've noticed they're obsessed with mtfs because cooming is their number 1 priority (so i guess they have that in common because they're both men). it feels like every conversation regarding womens issues i have somehow needs to cater to the imaginary mtf in the room. it's like narcissistic abuse on a huge scale. i'm conflicted because i occasionally do meet mtfs who seem like alright people who don't want to make everything about themselves, but i consider them a minority. i am losing my mind over the fact that people have to call some 50 year old agp scrote in a dress who molested children 'she' or they become the problem instead of the literal fucking male sex offender. fuck this i fucking hate men. i hate the internet.

any advice from other zoomer nonnas would be highly appreciated, i feel like i'm a rare case in my generation. i wish it was as easy as disconnecting from it all but it feels impossible.

No. 21320

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>>21311
Is like this patch I found. That's not the women symbol, but you cannot expect that from a rip-off from China.

No. 21321

so tired of people trying to gaslight me about trannies. they aren't living in my head rent free, they're fucking everywhere. in all my hobbies, in every online space, i live in a conservative southern state and i've started to see them irl. a tif came to fix a lock for us once. tiny woman (shorter than me!) with a scraggly pube beard and gages. name was keith or kyle or some shit. you looked so stereotypical it made me kek and also GAG when i noticed that gay sticker on your car. just kys

No. 21328

>literally in the fucking emergency room
>wife is with me, has been she'ing and her'ing me the whole time
>trying to explain what's wrong but the doctor is dazzled by my glorious buzzcut
>"what are your pronouns?"
Nonas I fucking laughed. I should give him some credit, it helped snap me out of my spiral, but omg. It sounds like something out of a cartoon. He looked so confused too.

No. 21331

>>21266
Some of them do rally to ban ALL media not made by puritans of the trans gospel. Do not read unless it's a book approved by them, do not watch movies unless approved by them, do not look at a drawing unless approved by them, do not think unless your thoughts are approved by them. Actually, just don't think at all!

No. 21332

>>21273
It used to REALLY worry me that these people said "clearly the goblins are meant to be jews and nothing else than jews because only jews are ugly, greedy goblins and we all know it" and all of them went "yes totally makes sense, jews ARE goblins" rather than the appropriate "excuse me but what the fuck, you're the only people who think that because YOU apparently see jews that way when the rest of us just like fantasy creatures".
Then the current war conflict started and all those pro-trans people are happily supporting the genocide of jews they pretended to protect. Go figure.

No. 21333

>>21318
Absolutely the right place for it nona! this thread is literally for venting and spamming about any troon stuff that bothers you

So glad you peaked, that's a hard journey to make! i was a handmaiden myself before i peaked.
Honestly there is nothing stopping you from just lying and telling your pro-trans friends you're still non-binary, while being clear with your family (and any friends you trust) that you've peaked and you're just a woman. Tell them the truth, that you're still pretending to be enby to your friends because you know they won't trust you if you're not trans but you still wish to gently help them to see reality like you did. New people you meet will just know you as a woman of course. If your pro-trans friends ever question it, just make an excuse like you feel femme that day and you like to be stealth so you don't mind people calling you she/her etc. Or you don't feel safe telling that stranger your true gender. Something like that.

If you do this I would also advice to keep trans social media without using your real name at all so your real life is strictly separated. Ideally you want no trace from real life to trans social media.

>i also hate the fact that right wingers seem to be the most vocal about this opinion

Honestly, that's not true. Most vocal people are (and have always been) feminists who aren't right-wing at all. People just don't listen to them. But also don't fall into the radfem trap of just adopting all of their talking points. Think for yourself!

If you want to peak friends, find any gossip topic your target friend might like and find a lolcow thread that relates to it. Bad art threads for artists, celebrity thread, maybe a cow like Pixilocks if they're alt fashion or think disorder-fakers are interesting (you could say pixie annoys you because she's faking autism and you're an autist so it hurts you). Just warn them that the site is fun gossip but people can be a bit aggressive and rude (transphobic) but to just ignore it and move on because they're just anonymous and baiting for infights (probably the way you yourself saw it when new here if you hadn't fully peaked yet). If you can get them to stick around they'll eventually peak, that's almost guaranteed. At first you send them juicy screenshots of the thread(s), do it now and then and after a while when they're used to it you can send the link.

No. 21336

>>21318
I'm a zoomer too and was depressed over how every hobby space online and space with "progressive"/"woke" space was flooded with troons. You're not weak, it feels crazy to be isolated.


My advice? I would slowly ghost your woke friends. If they would hate you for reasonable beliefs, then they aren't your friends. Also woke people tend to constantly inflight as you probably already know. Try to make normie, apolitical friends irl.


You said you're semi-online, but stop using Discord or troon-infested groups for whatever computer-related subject you study if you're doing that. Going crypto is frustrating and some gendie might always blow up on you any minute. You don't have any obligation to spread the message or save anyone or even be well-versed in radfem theory either. No one actually thinks the 50 year old man in a dress is a woman, so find smaller places online and irl that don't cater to the delusion. Good luck and forgive me for Reddit spacing.

No. 21337

>>21328
Hope you're okay by the way nonna.

No. 21339

I can't fucking stand the current pseudo-theory about AGP being formed in anti-TRA spaces. I'm thinking of people like phil illy (i'm sure some of you are familiar) or really the myriad of self-styled sexologists (mostly young undersocialized men) talking about we should coddle AGPs and treat it like a sexual orientation instead of what it is (a paraphilia) because the poor babies might feel bad and really troon out. Even if i have a generous interpretation of fetishism in relation to trooning out (people can be fetishists And victims to social contagion or gender-related neuroses or struggling autists) it's infuriating. Whatever the cause, whatever the space, male sexuality has to be accomodated even if it ruins them. It's crazy they even think it would fly with somewhat conservative mothers. Like these are not your leftie handmaidens if they get the shadow of a suspicion you're a pedo or predatory or just a little creepy they will voice it. And if you mock their attempt at rehabilitating their fetish they go 'oh so you want to control all dress'. No, i don't care if you feel like wearing a pink skirt but i won't act like it's not painfully embarassing to see a grown man indulging in his fantasy in public, even if it's harmless. And i won't act like it's not part of a continuum of creepy behavior and not just a few 'bad apples'. It's like they can't even see how bizarre publicly indulging in AGP is to anyone with common sense or modesty (including closet or repressed AGPs).

No. 21340

>>21318
What >>21336 said about ghosting your friends is good yet hard advice. You don’t have friends any longer, you have allies. With real friends, you can discuss your ideas and even disagree. With allies, independent thought against the orthodoxy is not allowed. Thinking of it this way made it easier for me to let go of these people from my past. It hurts and feels lonely to start, but trust me that you’ll even more lonely if you pretend to be something you’re not.

No. 21348

A old friend of mine, a woman was dating a dude who uses ''all pronouns'' and it's ''trans'' considers himself ''a woman sometimes'' so now this girl, who i hold a lot of heartbreak for, just got worse by saying that she is ''bissexual'' and post wlw things on her twitter about dating woman or using ''her'' in her tweets about this dude who does not want her anymore.
it's so fucking cringe.
and gets worse by seeing her liking his comments on other woman tweets (twitter show you tweets your friends liked sometimes) and god, what a cringe situation, suffering from a fake trannie.
I hate those fucking things, i fell disgusted by it. DISGUSTED.

No. 21354

I was forced to give my pronouns today, I feel gross but I can't have them suspect I'm a terf or they might actually hate crime me

No. 21355

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Does anyone else remember this terrible comic being passed around online? It was actually a mini-peaking moment for younger me. I remember thinking that no "trans woman" would ever look like a normal women like in the cartoon lmao. There's another picture with a cis gay man and a bisexual "trans man" and "non-binary individuals" kek

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