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Truly the most tolerant religion
No. 3786
>>3784I hate Islam more then you can imagine, I want nothing more then its destruction and as stated I despite It with every fiber of my being but I will not reduce it into bland stereotypes, I woke up to how horrible the religion of the arab pedophile is by first understanding It
my journey to leave Islam came from the simple question of why I wasn't allowed to pray in any other language other then Arabic, what made Arabic so goddamn special that God almighty preferred it over all the other languages and that gave me the motivation to study religion but critically and through the research I became a pure atheist
What makes Islam always so uniquely awful is that unlike Jesus and Buddha, Muhammad ruled a state with completely authority for over 10 years, In this period Muhammad was a priest king with absolute authority, for Muslims this was the perfect society, all other societies would never come to close to the one governed by Muhammad and his followers so unlike other Abrahamic religions is not just a religion but also a political and social ideology; from banking, trials to literally how you should pee and treat other non believers, you'll find an answer for it in the record books about either Muhammad and his companions
No. 3788
>>3787Its beyond most cults though, there are Libraries worth of books based on Islamic law based on the Hadiths(sayings and doings of Muhammad) as well extended Islamic law based on his companions
for Muslims these laws are well the perfect laws from God himself, any sort of system will always inferior for actual Muslims
No. 3797
>>3793The Quran its self is shit though, unless you've actually read it critically its really hard to describe just how awful it is to read
see the Quran is the super summarized story of the Jews, the true story of Jesus, 3 random Arab prophets that appeared before Muhammad and of course the story of Muhammad and his followers and his tribe's battle with the Quraish tribe but none of this is in chronological order btw, so it will shift midway from the story of Moses to Muhammad, then to Jesus then to Abraham then to Muhammad again and even then this shift is not chronological either, so you'll have chapters about Muhammad when he was priest king and then the next chapter will be about when he was just describing
the whole thing is such a hassle to read and your not allowed to give it chronolectal order, its considered a form of blasphemy
No. 3899
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“ Teenage schoolgirls in Afghanistan have told the BBC of their growing desperation as they continue to be excluded from school more than three months after the Taliban takeover.”
The boys where all told that they where allowed back? But they said nothing about the girls. Lying pigs swore that this wouldn’t happen and that they where going to change. Of course, nobody believed them, but still.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59565558 No. 3912
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I hate living in an Islamic country while being an ex-muslim. It's so suffocating having to tiptoe around it, lest they fucking lynch you for saying anything out of line.
Just yesterday, I had a professor at college saying something about how 'men were sent as our (women's) protectors' like jeez… I wonder who they are supposed to protect us from? That's right, other men. I keep getting pressured into wearing a hijab by my family, saying I'll burn in hell and take them with me there by my whore-ish ways of wearing casual clothing.
Don't know if blogposting on this thread will get me banned so saging just in case.
No. 3935
>>3912As a fellow ex-muslim don't ever come to your parents, they will kill you or send you to Islamic school
probably the best option is to flee, Christian NGO's are your best bet
I have known women who were willing to pretend to be Christians and live in rural Argentina rater then Pakistan
No. 4658
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>>4646>it feels wrong and shameful to voice my critical opinion of Islam even in the modern feminist discourseI haven't deeply interacted with this aspect of feminism yet, but based on what I do know and where I've seen causes helping the most, I believe you'd be better off contributing to groups that directly support and/or are run by women who are already critical of islam instead of trying to convince libfem women of the reality of the situation. You'd just be wasting time talking at people who have no interest in changing their beliefs. The majority show support for
toxic religions like this to win internet brownie points and have no desire to actually learn or help women in the first place. For example there's the AHA Foundation (
https://www.theahafoundation.org) started by Ayaan Hirsi Ali who was forced to undergo FBM as a child and was going to be married off to a cousin until she escaped Somalia to Holland (her family was muslim). She worked her way up to being a member of Dutch parliament and has written several books on the topic in addition to campaigning against abuse suffered by muslim women. Donate to her foundation or ones like it, educate yourself further and only discuss the matter with those who seem to have more than half a brain cell.
No. 4660
>>4658(OT-ish)Although I agree with Ali (and she was the first ex-Muslim that helped validate my anti-Islamic views) is anyone else bothered by how her, like a lot of \our girls\ pander very strongly to the right until they integrate like an token minority?
I really dislike how the loss of these Feminist voices implies that these issues that they raise aren't bipartisan.
No. 4661
>>4658>FBMWhoops, meant FGM. Wanted to add that you can sometimes reach liberal white women by catering to their supposed concern about "intersectionalism" and asking where actual (ex-)muslim women's voices are in their discourse. If they're going on about how islam is
valid and it's everyone's right to practice what they want you can say that's great, but then why is it so hard to leave the faith? What does it mean when someone's chosen practice infringes on women's freedoms? Why are there so many outspoken ex-muslim women such as Ali and Maryam Namazie who are now being labeled as provocative all in the spirit of wokeness? It's hard to argue that women being beaten, tortured, mutilated and relegated to slavery under religion is totally cool because everyone deserves to believe whatever they want. It's far from just extremists engaging in these things. There has to be a boundary in that sort of dialogue or else I guess everyone should just be allowed to become pedo rapist murderers (which unsurprisingly, a lot of muslim men are). Namazie and Ali both signed a manifesto during the Danish cartoon riots that has a fantastic intro btw
>After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism. Straight from the pens of those who have lived it themselves and not just decided to weigh in from the comfort of their liberal paradises where they get to spew whatever propaganda they please.
>>4660This kind of bothers me about gc and radfem discourse in general, like with Abigail Shrier (author of Irreversible Damage, which discusses the problem with transing children) being hosted on the Joe Rogan show and a lot of our beliefs having overlap with the far right. They're definitely not in line with feminist beliefs overall but sometimes they're the only groups that will entertain ideas like this and provide feminists with a broader platform. Overall I think it's probably a good thing that the message gets spread and reaches women it wouldn't have otherwise, but there's also that risk of catering a little too hard and providing concessions in the hopes of being given handouts and benefits from the more powerful community.
No. 4663
>>4646western radfems really can't let women in the global south have one moment to highlight out struggles before they try to frame themselves as being in equal position, like I remember when afghanistan fell to Taliban and I saw radfem accounts tweeting about how this could happen in the west as well and their proof was some 4chan screenshots, like anon the west will never experience the level of Islamic societies, It may something hard for you to comprehend but Islam isn't just simply misogyny for the sake of misogyny, its a comprehensive belief system that is completely secure with its self, it has no doubts about its own civilizational superiority
>>4658>After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamismwhile all three are bad and I'm not going to make an argument which is worse, there's a huge difference between Islamism and the ideologies, namely that Islam isn't just a political ideology, it is complete civilization guide, for Muslims the perfect society already existed
It was the thiefdom Muhammad had established, in it Muhammad was a priest king whose every decision came from God its self, for Muslims this was the perfect society and so Islam in its natural state will always revert to 7th century arabia as a model, cause Muhammad and his companions(who are the greatest and most perfect human beings, who will ever exist according to Islam) most of those men were rich slave owners and rapists who taken their slain enemies wives and daughters as their own and they are for Muslims perfect human beings in every way
No. 4703
>>4683>>4686Its something many ex-muslims are uncomfortable with but what choice do we have, I have spoken to lesbian ex-muslims, liberals and out communists who have had align with the rightwing simply cause every mainstream leftist party and group in the west is so hellbent of defending Islam, they think any criticism of Islam is on par with the worst forms of racism, our lives are quite literally in danger at times cause the punishment for leaving Islam is death, it is the responsibility of either the state or ghazi(Islamic warrior) to murder me, If they know I have left Islam
I mean I'd love to hear what the radfems propose as another solution, that can help people recognize our struggles and realize how fucked up the religion of the arab pedophile truly is
No. 4713
>>4708Islam is not the religion of "brown and black people" it is the religion of arabs, its a religion made by and for arabs, it should never have ever existed, let me tell you something about Islam
>your only allowed to pray in Arabic, if you pray to god almighty in your own tongue, its considered less holy and disrepsftful to god>you pray to arab shine, the kabba existed before Islam as a meeting place for pagan arabs>you have to dress by the standards of an arab>you have to groom yourself by the standards of an arab>take arab namesIslam is 100% an arab supremacist religion
No. 5833
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I've spent the last 20 years of my life in hijab and modest clothing and I feel like I've wasted my youth. Rarely had friends, never had a boyfriend, and I still live with family. I've been daydreaming about the life I could have lived had I never worn the hijab.
It's hot as hell in my city and I can't do much about it. God, I wish I was normal.
No. 5835
>>5834I've tried and failed to go back to school. It's so hard to get a higher paying job.
I refuse to join the military or get into sex work.
No. 5855
>>5835Part time work at retail, close to paying off credit card debts. Flunked out of school at age 25. Still live with family, no friends, borderline NEET life
looking to gain a remote work tech job
No. 6155
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I was wondering if you anons could answer me some questions.
>What should you (and others) expect from dating a moid with an extremely muslim family (down to them thinking anime promotes violence and shit, etc)?
>What you generally should expect when someone in your family is dating a coomer from Saudi Arabia "that doesnt believe in God" but has extremely religious family?
I will mention the biggest red flag first:
>He convinced her to leave her first ever job because of him. She lasted only 2 months. For 2 years now all she does is sits in moms basement playing vidyas at 2i.
>He also distanced his gf from her friends and family. To a point where he would start rage spamming everytime she goes afk for like, 3 minutes or something (saw myself), he also talked shit about her friends.
>He is also Jordan Peterson biggest fan and has daddy issues, proudly screams how he is a sociopath
>They both lie whenever they are travelling to meet. The first and only reason he met her first was to have sex, kept talking about sex on Discord server after that.
This woman is not perfect but i am genuinely worried about whatever the fuck is happening. No one deserves to date an abusive person, especially if its a man.
No. 7526
>>7444Most Muslim women do hold hands and kiss before marriage, lmao. Even my hijabi friends date.
You could talk about how Muslim women are being killed for not wearing hijabs but instead you choose to bring up how being promiscuous isn't allowed as if that's the kind of thing any woman who's in danger cares about.
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Cp front page
No. 7872
>>7841What the fuck are you yapping about? The nona here
>>7444 talks about how the Muslim community has such dogshit sexual double standards that many are kissless virgins that are indoctrinated into thinking that even the mildest premarital contact is for whores who marry men that are ran through at best and have participated in immoral sexual degeneracy at worst. How did you take that post and turn it into "omg isn't it sad that Muslim women cannot be promiscuous." Please spare us the anecdotes as well. Obviously, the experiences of Muslim women varies as some are Muslim in name only and can do whatever they want versus full on niqabis that are barely allowed to leave their house. But to act like Muslim families overall don't try to keep their daughters experiences with possible suitors as limited as possible is dishonest lmfao.
I love how you bring up "hijabs" as if the forced modesty that women go through, whether it be forced veiling or going as far as restricting their participation in public life because they don't want their daughters to become "whores." Dumb ass
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Desi Muslim moment
No. 9514
>>4646Think the porn part is bs since much of the poor countries don’t get internet
Think pornhub said even Uk views more porn then india
No. 9522
>>9515Let me explain as someone who lives in an oppressive country, the majority of the population can't be bothered to protest and risk their own lives over any social injustice(as truly awful as it maybe)
Be it an ethnic majority is being oppressed, or lack of freedom in expression and even sterilization and ethnic cleansing
As long as the state functions and provides for the majority people will bare and live with it, but when the state starts failing and the inconveniences are too much, well that's when the majority starts rebelling and whatever appeals to the masses will end up replacing the old order
Even the Islamic revolution was spurred by the economic failures of the Shah and how miserable average Iranians were suffering
No. 9546
>>9515>but why1. it's far from their only grievance. just look at the country they live in. and you have an incorrect, simplistic view of things. most of them disagree with how women are treated. also note that many religious and conservative people don't like the state dictating what women in their family are allowed to do. but these young men instead have progressive views. you will find iranians aren't that religious.
2. it's men who riot, kill or beat up the authorities. young men willing to fight are punished most harshly because they are the only threat to the regime so they must be squashed before they become organised and armed and backed by foreigners. everyone else is easy to break and make them go back to complying. when it comes to protests actually doing anything, it is usually when they have a core of ideologically motivated violent young men making it happen. ukrainian neonazi nationalists are a big reason for the regime change in ukraine in 2014. the protests would be nothing without them. note these same people murdered opposing journalists and civilians. these are people who won't disperse just because of some punishment. so you need to kill some right away.
see this from 2014, state media of a western country admitting but trying to downplay such people's extremism (because they liked what happened).
No. 9568
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I think many people(even the one's who are cautious about Islam) greatly underestimate Islamists, they are politically savvy and know how to put on a good face to appease western liberals while furthering their own aims, some people are aware the Muslim Brotherhood but there are many other groups such as Jamaat-e-Islami the imrcusa and others whose main goal is spreading a pro-Islamist message and making life easer for all Muslims, they have more then enough money thanks do donations but most importantly they have the approval of western liberals which allows them to further their aims, cause they know how they present themselves, The Afghan Islamist is a bearded illiterate mountain peasant but the Islamists from these groups are often highly educated and can be doctors or engineers and their daughters will be going to universities as well, for western liberals it might seem too good to be true and that these people could help spread a more "tolerant" image of Muslims, but what they don't understand is that those Islamists fundamentally despise them and want nothing more then to spread Islam and make it the dominant religion in every space and in Islam you are allowed to lie and deceive people as long as its for the sake of Islam of spreading/protecting Islam
a great example would be the guy who who threw two shoes at Bush, in his western interviews he talks about being anti imperialism and knows how to keep his mouth shit, and people agree with him, and then he'll tweet in Arabic about how "beating your wife is completely justified cause Muhammad said so", etc…
No. 9574
As a non-muslim, I ask why do so many muslims seem to averse to reforming Islam? Especially since most of the discomfort people have for it is the misogyny & anti-homosexuality of it. Christians reformed their religion, you can find many Churchs with LGBT flags on it (ignoring the pro-trans trend going on.) but you'll never see a LGBT flag in a mosque etc. Of course liberal muslims exist but they are greatly outnumbered.
>>9568>make it the dominant religion in every space seems like their plans are working bcs with the way things are going islam will replace Christianity as the dominant/main religion since the women give birth to so many kids.
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>>9574It will still take many generations for that happen in Europe but it might happen if neo-liberalism continues to be the dominant political system in Europe
>muslims seem to averse to reforming Islam? simple, the Quran says your not allowed to change any aspect of Islam and how deviate from how Muhammad practiced the faith
Some would say the Quran has moral problems, others will say it has scientific errors, but theologically it is very consistent. If you read it cover to cover, you'll know exactly what it's trying to get you to believe: there is one God and you need to believe in Him and the his Messenger who was the greatest human being who will ever exist
The same cannot be said of the bible. The bible has at least several authors, ultimately with very different views, there's very secular, existentialist stuff; there's poetry; there's boring/disturbing sacrificial law plus calls to realize that actual mercy is more important than boring/disturbing sacrificial law. So ultimately, there's a lot of freedom to decide what you think.
the biggest fundamental difference between Islam and other religions is that Muhammad ruled a state for 10 years with limitless authority, for Muslims that state was the perfect utopia deemed by God, thus is would be the responsibility of any believing Muslim to make their state like that
No. 9621
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They do this to people who are simply the wrong sect of Muslims
No. 9752
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Another moment of Muslim moids justifying death in the name of the holy pedophile
No. 9753
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Someone, please find the women for me, I found one woman so far. (Picture was taken at an anti-quran burning demonstration, because one Swede hurt their feelings.)
No. 9760
>>9753I don't want to seem like I'm defending these moids, but women do also participate in these events as well, just not as violent or have their own self segregated protest spaces
like this is a woman's protest calling for the beheading of the cartoonist who drew Muhammad
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>>9760forget picrel
>>9762again from the perspective of a believing Muslim this is a proper response, the Quran is not just a Holy text, for Muslims it is the undisputed word of God
it is written in the language of Heaven its self, so to burn it or harm it you are insulting and waging war on God
No. 9767
>>9760Thank you for the info, didn't know that, the muslim women I've met so far in my country would fit your description.
>>9762Sry, sleep deprived, meant that guy.
No. 10918
>>10393>It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: >“The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’ He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’” No. 11815
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Why more don't become leave Islam(spoilers its cause of the death penalty)
No. 11851
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>14 year old autistic British boy brings a copy of the Koran to school on a dare
>One of his friends accidentally drops it, damaging it slightly
>Kid gets suspended from school
>Cops investigate it as a 'hate incident'
>Kid gets death threats, has to go into hiding
>His mother is forced to apologize and beg for forgiveness in front of a group of men at a local mosque while wearing a hijab
How on Earth is that happening in a western country?
No. 11919
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guess her location
No. 11920
>>11919from her POV her logic is sound, Muslim families are usually connected, if a man dies then the connected family(who are already related) will look after a widowed woman(though she'll never be allowed to leave the house again)
I have said it before and I'll say it again, Islam on a civilizational, state-based and household basis functions, that's why its so dangerous
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I hate libfems so much sometimes
No. 11942
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>>11929Yes I’m an islamophobe. What are you going to do about it
No. 11946
>>11920Who told you widowed women in Islam aren’t allowed leave the house ever again lmao ????????
It’s only 40 days after her husband dies to make sure she isn’t pregnant and to grieve as she sees fit.
After those 40 days she’s allowed to go wherever she wants.
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>>11946>Who told you widowed women in Islam aren’t allowed leave the house ever again lmao ???????? that's the case for most Muslim families though, while on paper she is technically allowed to re-marry Islam's tribal inclinations will force her to dependent on her family
Plus Islam has a very very retarded rule that makes re-marrying harder, its that adopted Children can never ever be the children of their adopted parents and calling someone mother or father if their not actually your mother or father is a grave sin and so adopted children can't even be given the same legal or inheritance rights, the reason for this rule is cause Muhammed wanted to marry his own slained adopted son's wife, which people protested as it was considered incest to marry your son's wife, so he changed that rule and said God ordered him to
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>>11946>only 40 daysas they say the bar is in hell
No. 11959
>>11946>It’s only 40 days after her husband dies to make sure she isn’t pregnant>to make sure she isn’t pregnantlmao how the fuck am I supposed to take that shit seriously? Muslim men are such deranged coomers that they're worried their wives will find someone else after they died. Aren't they preparing their lives so they can get a harem of virgins as soon as they die anyway?
>>11949>its that adopted Children can never ever be the children of their adopted parents and calling someone mother or father This shit put my cousin in some real deep shit until very recently. My aunt adopted her from our country of origin when my cousin was a baby and her bio mom dumped her to an orphanage because she had her out of wedlock or some shit, and my aunt was too stupid to notice that she was only treated as a foster parent and not as an adoptive parent by the Algerian government, which means my cousin only got her French citizenship a few weeks ago.
No. 11989
>>11919"Women are treated as Queens"
This can literally be disproven by watching the news in most Muslim majority countries. UK (I'm gonna guess this bitch is from the UK because the most retarded Muzzie takes always come from there) Muslim women always post this type of retarded shit and it truly makes you wonder why they don't go back to their "Islamic societies." Oh wait, it is because even they know deep down they would have to give up most of their freedoms that they grew up with.
>>11958Idk about Somalia, but from my knowledge the Pakistanis in the UK came from a ass-backwards part of Pakistan + they got to form their ethnic enclaves which caused them to double down on their retarded cultural practices and not properly assimilate. I'm a Burger of Pakistani descent, and while I wouldn't say Pakistanis here are enlightened intellectuals, there are less horrific incidents here with Pakistanis (i.e. no grooming gangs and all that nonsense). Plus, a lot of the Pakistani diaspora in the US come from the educated professional stock. Idk fam, France did have a lot of terror attacks from these Muzzie men going wild, but there really is something wrong with UK Muslims.
No. 12002
>>12001I don't wanna seem like I'm defending Islam or whitewashing these actions, but this can be partially be blamed on the Americans
Islamists existed everywhere but in the 20th century they didn't know how to organize themselves and most importantly didn't know how to fight, the Americans however were paranoid of "communism" and helped train and facilitate these monsters
Almost every active Islamist group from the Maghreb to South East Asia can be traced to the Soviet Afghan war, where thousands of young man went off to fight the Soviets and were trained in gruella warfare, they came back to their home countries as heroes and helped train young Islamists in how to fight actually fight a state, plus creating essentially a global network of linked Islamists
No. 12010
>>12005you can look it up yourself, Egypt, Afghanistan and Syria with their sub-par militaries managed to put down Islamist revolts with not much effort because the Islamist were disconnected and didn't know how to fight in guerilla warfare
If it were not for the United Stated then Islamists would never be a threat to any state or region
No. 12041
>>12037its not complicated, my father explained it like this, most Muslim states relied on slave armies, who would ended up becoming local warrior elites, so most of the Muslim world didn't develop proper militaries like the west
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MamlukThis is still engrained in their cultures, my father has worked with arab milarites and he told me that they are in an awful state in everything, structure, leadership, troop morale and quality of soldiers, its how a small band of rebels could overwhelm the Syrian and Iraqi armies and take large swarths of land
now I want to state again this would not have been an issue if America didn't teach their predecessors how to fight