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No. 247377

Please keep posts focused on women and female homosexuality! If you want to talk about attraction toward males it probably belongs in the bisexuality thread or questioning thread (check the catalog, they're usually not on the front page but I promise they exist!). Please ignore obvious bihet/troon/tradthot/etc rage bait as well. Running low on vintage pics so I hope retro is fine!

Topics of discussion may include but are not limited to:
>first crush?
>what’s your local lesbian scene like?
>cute stories about your gf
>favourite lesbian media? lesbian media you hate?
>coming out stories
>are there any cows you’d uhaul with?
>bitch about being lonely
>tips for coping with being lonely
>butch? femme? how do you feel about labels?
>top? bottom? how do you feel about those labels?
>what's your type?
>when did you know you were gay?
>which lesbian stereotypes do you fit? which ones don’t fit you at all?
>what were you like as a kid? tomboy? girly girl who made her Barbies kiss?
>what do you wanna be like as an old lady lesbian?
>get mushy and describe your dream relationship/date/etc
>best date/match? worst?
>how homophobic are your family/friends? is it woke homophobia or oldschool homophobia?
>dating app horror stories
>f/f fanfic recs (pls)
>everything we hate about every other online lesbian community

previous threads:
#1- >>>/g/132141
#2- >>>/g/174105
#3- >>>/g/200981

No. 247389

I think I need a shirt that just says butch on it

No. 247457

a bit OT, but it's so depressing to think that the "fem" girl wouldn't even be considered fem by today's pornified standards.

No. 247463

Moving to Colorado for a year. I’m so excited to go back to the bars and just vibe.

No. 247469

Why is lesbian dating so hard? I might as well be asexual.

No. 247470

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>>247457
Twitter would consider her full butch for wearing pants and no drag makeup. I've seen picrel described as 'butch vibes'

No. 247473

>>247469
What do you use? Are you trying tinder or irl?

No. 247495

>>247473
Not nonna, but I used tinder and tried using Her but there was so many troons I got scared off

No. 247524

when will bisexual lesbian-larping zoomer girls stop calling their crushes on men "comphet crushes"

No. 247543

>>247469
>>247495
Fuck same, nonas. started using tinder and her a couple days ago and god damn, So many obviously straight, quirky doe "bisexuals" who all think lesbian relations are just holding hands and making retarded tiktok's. The rest are either troons or he/they-lets. And for fuck's sake is everyone on this goddamn planed a fucking "pillow princess"?! I hope that one day we will find peace…

No. 247569

I wasn't into the online lesbian scene/community for years and now seeing it, it makes me incredibly sad that lesbian culture is now just ugly ass "cottagecore" bullshit and Mitski like for fuck's sake, you zoomers only like her and her mediocre music because she's an Asian woman and you're a fetishistic faggot.

No. 247573

>>247569
if not Mitski it's Hozier or Harry Styles who are even more mediocre but bihet LARPers claim them as their "comphet crushes"

No. 247574

>>247569
I don't think that online lesbian spaces were much more better in the past, maybe less overrun by trains but imo there never was a high quality stuff. Basically don't beat yourself up too hard for not being involved earlier.
>>247573
if these women are going to embarrass themselves by simping for a man, they could have at least choose someone who is not offensive to look at.

No. 247576

>>247569

She has a nice voice but I'm not sure if it's just the studio quality reverb or her voice anymore. It's clear 90% of TikTokers only like her bcuz stanning POC because they're POC = good uwu and as an Asian this genuinely gives me the creeps.

>>247573

Why do these people claim that Hozier's music is perfect for lesbians like…he's a man kek.

No. 247579

My unpopular opinion is that the more research I do on old school butch-femme subculture the more I dislike it and am glad we (mostly) evolved past that.

No. 247588

>>247470
I'm so bitter about the "women in suits" trend because I've always worn a suit to all occasions since I was 15 and been considered a freak for it, now you got all these kinsey 1 women having girlcrushes on top supermodels wearing pantsuits and calling it being a lesbian.

>>247524
Soon I hope nonna

>>247579
Don't think so, we just moved to "two femmes or two they/thems" instead and killed butches off completely.

No. 247590

>>247588
I mean lots of old school butches and femmes also looked down on butch/butch couples sadly

No. 247657

>>247576

Just studio reverb. Also yeah, it feels like they only like her and other current artists these days for those minority supporting woke points, that or K-Pop girl groups. Worse are the ones who go "mitski > therapy" like just fucking kill yourself already.

No. 247685

>>247543
Oh my god, honestly I found myself having no choice but to hook up with pillow princesses and honestly I feel I was maybe used for the gay experience. The only time I really ever experienced another switch/ top was a butch truck driver who was probably a bit too old for me but kek

No. 247704

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>>247685
The pillow princess discourse drives me nuts. Like obviously women are entitled to their boundaries and nobody should be forced but literally everyone except stone tops wants a partner that reciprocates and that’s not predatory or entitled. Even the mildest criticism of it gets you branded a predatory lesbian who wants to literally assault them. If a het male refuses to reciprocate because pussy is icky we’re allowed to call it dumb and make jokes about it.

No. 247711

>>247569
they like her because she makes music for break up/sad girl playlists. her lyrics are like instagram poems.

No. 247733

>>247704
My ex was like that, and it genuinely traumatized me. I made her cum like seven times, and when I asked if I could get something too, she just looked fucking disgusted. I started crying, she called me overdramatic and a rapist. This is just one example but it happened so many times. Ironically she was the ""butch"" in the relationship, you would think it was the other way around.

I know it's stupid but it kind of made me give up on women ever finding me attractive.

No. 247734

>>247733
Also as a clarification, I do not think the level of femininity is correlated to your pillow princessness, just the stereotypes people usually have. Like the "stone butch" label, is there even a "stone femme" one (=a femme who does not want sexual things done to her)?

No. 247736

>>247704
Fat men being lazy in bed too, shocking? No. Not really.
>>247733
It's not about you being attractive or not, your gf was just selfish and even mentally ill. Calling you a rapist whenever you disagree or want some attention is such a low blow and quite retarded since women can't really be rapists, no I don't care whatever anyone thinks it's just almost impossible. I hope you find someone that values you and cares about your pleasure

No. 247737

>>247736

What would your definition of rape be then? Would a woman who forcibly penetrates or touches the genitalia of someone who doesn't consent to it not be rape?

No. 247739

>>247737
Your gf asking something from you in bed isn't rape, her going on and doing the thing without asking and keeping on even when you tell her to stop or freeze up is rape. My opinion.

No. 247740

>>247739

You said "women can't really be rapists" as a general statement kek.

No. 247741

>>247740
>since women can't really be rapists, no I don't care whatever anyone thinks it's just almost impossible.
>almost impossible
I said almost impossible because rapes committed by women barely make %1 of actual rapes and even then it's usually because some teachers slept with a male student who was 16-17 which are absolutely terrible but nowhere nearly as violent and damaging as sexual crimes men commit which are so violent they usually cause permanent physical damage to women's health.

No. 247742

>>247740
Also are you a man or a newfag who discovered this site from reddit? Your writing style in both >>247737 and >>247740 really stick out and it's easy to tell you from other anons because you don't interrogate. I thought you were the original anon at first and tried the assure you you it isn't rape to ask your gf for something you want to try in bed but your talking points make you sound like a pickme or a mra crying women rape too who has no place posting in a lesbian thread.

No. 247752

>>247736
Yeah I know logically it's not me not being attractive (I know my ex was not some "sex bomb" on societys standards but I found her hot anyway).

I just feel like it's impossible to find a woman who likes my body as much as I like hers. I don't know if it's fetisization but I am constantly telling a gf how pretty and lovely and beautiful aaah she is because I genuinely think so, and always handsy with her body because I like female body so much…. Basically with women I'm like a teenage hormonal moid, idk what the hell is wrong with me. I have just never met a woman who likes me the way I do her, I feel like a freak. I even tried drinking spearmint tea to tone my libido down last time since it's so annoying.

Spoiler moid mention;
And I did basically give up, and I know it's haram (please do not strangle me) I did find someone who is excited by my body the way I am about women, a fucking moid. But now I do not feel anything like I did with women, I do not feel anything at all. That's why I am puzzled if my attraction to women is just a learned thing from scrotes, some fetishy stuff from porn. I do not know if it's normal to be so obsessed with women.

No. 247753

>>247752
Another add on to my post but I'm posting my waah woe is me whining just because I do not know any lesbians at all, I have no idea if it's normal to be this obsessed with women or are some lesbians like this too. Like I love eating pussy goddamn, bit if there is so many pillow princess lesbians not willing to touch a pussy then ???

No. 247754

>>247752
Well straight women are obsessed with men's bodies and admire their bfs so why would you being the same way with a woman be learnt behavior or a fetish? People are supposed to feel sexual attraction towards their partners and its normal, although women and especially lesbians are berated for it. Being in a lesbian relationship isn't a tiktok cottagecore dream where you only look at a woman's face and barely hold hands and giggle with each other. Yeah men have an easier time expressing their attraction but the women you've been with just sound like they weren't actually lesbians or perhaps they were shamed for their attraction. To add on, I'm sure you're beautiful if you found a man that thinks so and is obsessed with you since men have higher standards. Also don't overthink labels, you surely don't have to force yourself to be with a woman if you're happy with your bf and if you're unsure you could just try it out for a bit. I don't think you're going to get advice on the bf situation here but you could maybe post in the bi thread to see if someone has similar experiences where they're mostly interested in women but the relationship with men tend to be easier.

No. 247756

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>>247754
>men have higher standards
kek nonna

And obviously not looking for advise with muh naigell! Just do lesbians feel they are the embodiment of picrel too

Maybe I'm a man on the inside, time to go on T uguu

No. 247761

>>247756
There's a questioning thread in the catalog btw, you would probably get better responses there. But you're not a man on the inside you're just sexually attracted to women, that's how I feel about female bodies too. You just feel weird about it because lesbian communities are overrun with cottagecore uwu Kinsey 1 bisexuals.

No. 247762

>>247752
In my experience a lot of lesbians have had a lesbian relationship that traumatized them, more often than not it's being a servant to an unstable pillow princess who mentally abuses them and makes them feel like rapist for having normal sexual needs and desires. I seriously don't know why this is but so many that I've met have issues with their sexuality or fucked off to a miserable dead bedroom relationship with a moid simply because they feel too predatory for finding women attractive.

Whichever the case, it's not your fault and wanting sex with your partner you find attractive is completely acceptable. I wish I had a partner with a high libido, it feels like finding lesbians or febfems who aren't shamed into borderline asexuality is impossible.

No. 247766

>>247762
I wonder if the rise in acceptance of lesbianism has actually helped or hurt the lesbian community more. Since now women barely into women want to get into relationships with them, since being straight is boring and all women know men mostly suck

No. 247770

>>247470
They’re probably wrong in using “butch” since butch = lesbian but Zendaya definitely has a more masculine different vibe to her. I’m not sure if there’s a word that describes the way she carries herself outside of “somewhat masculine woman” even if she does have long hair.

No. 247771

>>247569
The lesbian (and bi woman) scene was always horrible, at least on tumblr. It always felt like one grand performance you didn’t miss out on anything. It’s marginally better or I’m just a Mitski simp.

No. 247797

>>247770
Androgynous? Some of her looks have more masculine elements like suits but she always wears make up and generally looks feminine.

No. 247813

>>247770
tomboy?

No. 247815

>>247752
I'm sorry about what happened to you, but this is the lesbian thread. Better to take this talk to the bisexual/questioning thread

No. 247817

>>247815
Ntayrt she posted this 6 hours ago and it's been settled.

No. 247819

>>247815
Not trying to start any fights but I posted it specifically here to get opinions from the pussy fandom. Ok now that I wrote it out I do sound like a troon trying to force my way into a women's locker room.

I just saw "pillow princess" in the first page of /ot/ and got TrIgGeRed and just HAD to post my sob story, I'm sorry, I should not have.

No. 247840

Besides being lightskinned, how is the woman in the middle "fem" exactly? She looks exactly like the other two women she's standing next to. Are they seriosuly implying she's more feminine because of her skintone? Jesus

Mods don't ban me for racebait, we're allowed to discuss stuff like this

No. 247842

>>247840
That's textbook racebaiting nonnie.

No. 247844

>>247842
Am i not even allowed to point that out? Jfc ive been here for like 4 years lmao i obviously know the rules. I'm not trying to bait

No. 247846

>>247840
Maybe in behaviour/demeanor? We don't know anything about these women outside from this picture. Sure, I too have noticed colorism even in lesbian communities and patterns of conflating dark skin with butchness even when it is not the case. But I don't think there's any point in getting worked up over one photo that we do not even know its full context.

No. 247848

>>247844
First of all I'm pretty sure nobody forced her to put on that shirt and that's simply her identifying as a femme, maybe she dresses in OTT frilly dresses outside of this photo to pass as femme by zoomer lesbian standards, we don't know. Secondly, does she even have lighter skin? Looks the same to me as the girls in the front, only she's wearing a white shirt and standing in the sun while the others are wearing black and have more shadows on their faces. It's a black and white photo so it's impossible to tell.

>>247846
It's such a retarded thing to get so worked up over anyway because like you said we know nothing about the context of this photo and I think it's in extremely poor taste to bring racebait brainrot in the lesbian thread of all places. There's a reason why it's a banned topic on Lolcow, it always ends up in infighting and uncontrolled spergery. Like someone thinking you can't be a femme if you're wearing a sleeveless shirt and jeans in one photo unless racism.

No. 247857

>>247762
I don't know any other lesbians but this has been my experience to a T with my exes. Bi but prefers men, none of them interested in reciprocating, all of them abusive and making me feel like a predatory freak for wanting them sexually, and the relationships ending and I feel like I'm gross and unloveable as I watch them go on to date men. I have never been with a woman who desired me as I desired her. I hope one day I'll find another butch who can love me the same way I would love her. Where do we even find each other nowadays? It's all bisexuals and trannies.

No. 247858

>>247857
not to be a bi apologist but the anon originally complaining about their ex not reciprocating was bi (i guess?)

No. 247860

>>247840
if you look closer, the femme is obviously wearing makeup and her hair is considerably more stylized compared to the self proclaimed butch women in the pic

To be fair,I get the confusion - the butch on the right doesn't show any particular masculine qualities at all - maybe she was a baby butch just starting out?

No. 247886

>>247762
>In my experience a lot of lesbians have had a lesbian relationship that traumatized them, more often than not it's being a servant to an unstable pillow princess who mentally abuses them and makes them feel like rapist for having normal sexual needs and desires.

then how strange that lesbians are so obsessed with hating each other and bisexual women. why are we all so miserable anons?

No. 247898

I'm just so fucking sick of (mostly) bi women or more like het women larping as bi who all seem to view same sex relations as only some sort of trend/fad for the aesthetics. There's also a lot of women who identify as lesbians more out of disliking men and less because they are attracted to other women. It's always some strange chaste hyperfem cutesy hand holding bff-like thing as if we're not real people who love and lust the same as any others do. I can't shake the feeling that I'm being used for my sexuality as some sort of prop and that I'll never be someones real lover. Maybe it's just a zoomer problem and hopefully things get better as we all grow and mature.

No. 247902

>>247898
oh god, reading this back and it sounds almost like an incel rant. That was not my intention, I'm just sad and lonely

No. 247906

>>247902
You don’t sound like an incel anon, don’t worry. I’m straight and even I know what you mean. I also know that you just unfortunately haven’t met the right person yet. You exist, so there are definitely real lesbians/bisexuals out there who will love you properly.

No. 247907

>>247898
Don't worry, I feel you. Like goddamn I just want a wife who I can love and cherish but also motorboat her boobas and give her a million orgasms, not hold hands in a bonnet

No. 247944

>>247898
yeah you do sound kind of incely but it’s a modern problem of dating more than anything that you need to hate other women for. modern dating is shittier than ever

No. 247948

>>247902
>>247898
Don't worry nonna, I think a lot of people here can relate, especially non-femmes. Personally I was haunted by all the times I was told "I would totally date you if you were a man" by bihets to the point I waited until I was in my 30's to even consider serious dating because at that age most cottagecore aesthetic "lesbians" have been weeded out. But on the other hand I've missed out on relationships and it's depressing how much experience I lack compared to the women who dated through their young adulthood.

No. 247962

>>247470
I know there are gay rumors about Zendaya but I never understood why, is this why? Because she wore a suit and her character on Euphoria fucked an MTF?

No. 247989

>>247907

>motorboat her boobas

Best thing I've heard today, same nonna

>>247962
Yep and basically any woman who talks about woman empowerment or advocates even the slightest towards having women in a strong position within society is now a "lesbian/wuhluhwuh icon uwu"

No. 248041

>TIFs still have XX chromosomes and female socialization!!
>FTMs have always been an important part of lesbian history!!
>why do you hate dysphoric and gender noncomforming women??
And I'll still never touch a FTM with a 10 foot pole, seethe. Sure, definitely not as bad as MTF trannies forcing their way inside lesbian communities where they've never belonged, but radlet TIFs and their entitlement are getting on my nerves. God forbid other lesbians don't worship your mentally ill self-loathing ass. "I know I'm biologically female and a lesbian but don't call me a woman teehee" fuck off.

No. 248042

>>247898
How does it affect you though? Dont date bi women then. I swear lesbian incels are crazy. I bet youve never even personally talked to any of these people or got to know them.

No. 248044

>>247962
Zendaya gives off lesbian vibes. She has no chemistry with men and in an interview the lady asked her ideal type of men or something and she kept using the world “people”. Aint no way shes not a lesbian.

No. 248046

>>247470
Zendaya is a tomboy and her character barely uses makeup. She has stud energy

No. 248047

>>248046
i'd say more stem than stud but yes lol

No. 248166

A high school friend of mine gave me gifts while we were in school and friends. A cake, teddy bear and chocolate at different times and different years. I didn't know I was a lesbian then, so I missed my chance to at least ask if she was giving me hints or if this was a strange cultural difference between us, as I never gave her any gifts back, except for a goodie bag I sent all my friends during COVID. Being Autistic didn't help any, and she was kind of spergy too, but not as bad. I could've had it all. Feels bad nonnas.

No. 248193

I've had a crush on my coworker who's also lesbian for around eight months but I don't think I have a shot. She also knows I'm lesbian too, but I think she's just friendly to me. I try to flirt by telling her she's cute, but I get lukewarm reactions. I also cannot tell for the life of me if she has a gf or not. I should just move on and download Tinder at this point kek

No. 248391

>>248166

Aw it's okay nonna. May you get that perfect chance one day.

>>248041

Same with "non-binary lesbians". I don't get it. I thought the definition of lesbian was a "homosexual woman".

No. 248480

Anyone else see the tiktoks of that one fake lesbian song by avenue beat? It’s the “lesbians” of tiktok time to shine but the song is based talking about them.

No. 248644

How would you react if a woman told you she realised she wasn't straight after hearing I Kissed a Girl by Katy Perry?

No. 248654

>>248644

Depends. If it's a clear trendy zoomer or something then I'd tell em to fuck off. If she explains and describes kissing girls or something maybe I'll take it kek

No. 248655

>>248391

Sorry for samefag just now but lesbian apparently means "non man loving non man" now. So basically bisexual nonbinaries count as lesbians according to that logic.

No. 248770

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I really need to go into dating since I'm in early college. All the lesbian girls are either ocd-autistic which I hate or giga normies. I get along well with east asian student since I like to teach them my language, but you can never know things about their love life. I was thinking about finding a girlfriend trought hobbies/fandoms but I know I will only find genderspecial or ultra autistic ones like in the past. Please nonnas help

No. 248779

>>248770
RIP sorry but that's basically all there is nowadays. Why don't you just go for normies? They're easier to deal with.
Also as a fellow autismo I'd like to know where you find non tranny autismo lesbians bc I've never met one who didn't eventually turn into a he/they.

No. 248794

>>248779
thank u anon for that hard fact. I never go for the normies since most of them are boring or non passionate about any subject or worst lazy rich meanies (fashion school in a nutshell).
Yeah I was surprised too by the autistic cis lesbian but they are quite normie-ish and into feminist politics and common lgbt stuff.
honestly I would like either a funny normie girl or a girl who as clear interest and are not OCD about everything ( I'm a fellow autist too but like I learn not to flip my shit it someone take a little too much space when we are working on bulky stuff ).
Funny thing, this evening I crossed a probably korean girl from my school near it and she kept making eye contact while her friend where talking. Idk if it was because I was carrying a fabric roll but it was so strange.

No. 248798

>>248794
To piggyback I feel like I've been meme'd into only noticing girls into alt styles or have colorful short haircuts bc my mind instantly thinks 'Oh she could be "qweer"' even if that just means they are bihet with bfs. Also I think a lot of time these girls are too young for me (like still in highshool). I don't take notice to most normie looking girls because I always assume she's probably straight. Honestly a shame I feel like I'm missing out on some hidden gems.

No. 248817

>>248779

I feel ya anon. Also lot of them troon out because their autism makes them feel out of place in society but they mistake it as a gender thing. That or other issues, and it's honestly sad. I remember liking this girl and starting a slight relationship with her back in 2020, then she ghosted everyone for three months and then came back a he/aer troon. I wanted to kms tbh.

No. 248922

>>248042
You need to learn what the word incel means before using it as an insult just because a lesbian said something mean and hurt your feefees.

No. 248960

>>247906
She 100% sounded like an incel though
>straight
go away
>>248922
She literally admitted she sounded like an incel but sure

No. 249015

>>248960
Nobody here values your shit bait, get your ass out.

No. 249027

Nonnas am I the only one who hates the word "sapphic"? Probably because it's been taken over by TikTok zoomers and Twittertards now, but I never liked the concept of it. Pretty sure Sappho was bisexual too.

No. 249029

>>249027
I do hate it for the exact same reason but I'd say you can't really be sure she was bisexual (or lesbian) because we barely have complete poems from her, instead we work with "fragments". Sometimes we can't tell the sexuality of actresses from our generation so it's not like anything could confirm Sappho's. It's a fight I personally wouldn't join.

No. 249045

>>248770
i'm about to graduate and in the same boat as you lol i'm so sorry. i'm too weird to get along with normies but too normie to get along with the genderspecials
>>248798
honestly i think i'm finally going to suck it up and adopt an alt look for this exact reason. most of my interests match anyway so it wouldn't really be larping. i think i'm coming across as like a horse girl or something right now
>>249027
i've hated it since its inception. kinda seems like it's going out of style though

No. 249055

>>248960
Go back to Twitter or Reddit.

>>249027
Not just you. Even when it wasn't a TikTok, Tumblr or Twitter thing it always irked me the wrong way. What's so wrong about saying lesbian or attraction to women that they had to come up with this?

>>249045
>too weird to get along with normies but too normie to get along with the genderspecials

Ah, same here nonna, sorry about that. One day, hopefully.

No. 249088

>>249027
I think it's a convenient way to refer to women primarily attracted to women instead of saying "lesbians and female-oriented bisexuals" or something, but it's definitely gained notoriety as a tranny dogwhistle which is disappointing. "WLW" sounds like a fanfiction tag so I'm averse to it kek

No. 249114

Can us nonnas just date each other tbh?

>>249088
Holey shit that is the best description of the term ngl. So that's why I never liked being called a wlw…

No. 249205

Do you think that all women who believe in that compulsory heterosexuality/identifying as whatever you feel like despite contradictions bullshit are all bisexual or do you think some lesbians? Like do you think it could be possible being fully gay is an easier pill to swallow if you believe you’re making a personal or political choice?

No. 249237

>>249205
maybe there is something to "comphet," i don't really know/haven't looked much into it but i do think people tend to take it too far and say they're lesbians with comphet because for whatever reason they don't want to say they're bi with a preference for women. maybe part of this is due to internalized biphobia and not having enough bisexual representation for bi women who prefer women. with the rise of troonacy the definitions of lesbian and bisexual have become blurred by certain groups because the truthful definitions of being exclusively attracted to women and attracted to both sexes offend them. i wouldn't call being fully gay an easier pill to swallow, more like just a different way some people cope with being same sex attracted in a homophobic world.

No. 249256

>>249027
nta but another word i hate that's all over tiktok is queerplatonic. "something in between friendship and romance" just say friends with benefits ffs.

No. 249258

>>249256
it's even stupider than that, it just means two kweerios who are friends with each other

No. 249267

>>247762
Oh god that is one of my worst nigthmares, being tricked by a bpdchan who tries to gaslight me into thinking that i'm evil for having normal human needs. I used to be a butch so even worse.

No. 249270

>>249256
I think they use it because "friends with benefits" usually doesn't mean you're genuinely friends. Just that you have one person who you regularly do casual hookups with instead of one night stands with lots of different people. Someone who will only text you in the middle of the night, instead of someone who is also actually your best friend.

No. 249347

>>249205
I believe I experienced "comphet" when I was a teen, as I would convince myself I was into men, but I would suddenly get uncomfortable and turned off once I had a real guy being interested in me in person. Slowly realized I had actually been a lesbian all along, and that's why I could never bring myself to date, kiss or get intimate with a man, even though in my head I would think about having a husband one day (this all prior to realizing I was a lesbian). I believe that was comphet.
But if someone has no issues being intimate with a man and they cry comphet, she's just a fraud.

No. 249389

Nonnas are there any lesbian spaces open for terfs these days

No. 249512

>>249347
This is the only way in which comphet is real and it's often not even a thing girls in the west experience unless they had some strong conservative influence or total lack of gay rolemodels.

No. 249543

Nonas how do you deal with lesbian loneliness? I feel so isolated and alone, I'm butch so I'm always doubly the odd one out as well. Everyone is straight and if they're not they're bisexuals with boyfriends, and I can't exactly openly advertise myself looking for other lesbians since our spaces have been replaced by trans groups and you get ostracized and beaten up for crimes of tervery if you don't play along. I don't understand where I can find other lesbians. Someone recommended women's sports but I suck at that, and I only meet straight girls at the gym. Like I said I'm butch and would be easy to recognize by fellow lesbians but it's like there are none around where I live and I feel so alone. It hurts. I'm so tired of living like a lonely shadow.

No. 249554

>>249543
It's fucking hard, I feel for you nona. How to meet normal lesbians has been addressed many times in the past threads so do check out the older posts on the topic. TL;DR is be in a city, use HER/bumble etc but swipe left on anyone even remotely annoying while including dogwhistles on your bio, go to meetups and suck it up. You have to sift through the annoying genderfucks and spicy hets if you want to meet real lesbians. It's just how it is and fixating on the challenging aspect will only have you sinking deeper into isolation.

It's easy as fuck to get bitter (I was bitter for a long time too) but you can't bring that energy into your new friendships as an opener. Sharing woes is great when you're a bit deeper into the friendship but don't establish them on doomertalk imo. Also, sometimes people seem like turbolibs with all sorts of qweer ideology but most of them only have a surface attitude in favor of it, due to ignorance/apoliticalness. You can easily talk to them about specific issues and find out most of them have no clue about the TRA behavior. For instance I'm in a mega-lib city and none of the lesbians I met think you have to like girldick as a lesbian, just that you ought to treat transwomen as women in daily life which is not a big ask. We already do that IRL in order to avoid altercation lol. The ones I deepened my friendships all only date "afabs" and are often horrified at the sick shit "terf" women go through. I've mostly been pleasantly surprised with the women I've met, though I was very picky with who I spent time meeting in person. Btw you can totally only swipe right on lesbians and express that you want to meet other lesbians in your bio, nobody will lynch you for that. Just don't tell people the reason you're excluding them (like when a bi/troon wants to be friends) and focus on the positive. You want to bond with other lesbians. Nobody is owed an explanation for that, trust me.

If you're serious about ending your isolation, you're gonna have to work pretty hard and keep motivated. I believe you can do it, though I know how hard it is first hand. Good luck out there.

No. 249578

does anyone know what happened to maxineharlow?

No. 249588

>>249578
No, I don't follow her so I didn't even know she'd disappeared. What do people think happened?

No. 249590

>>249543
I definitely feel the loneliness. I'm an unapologetic weeb and 10 years ago it was as easy as just walking to a convention group to find other lesbians or bisexuals to hang out with but now so many of them have trooned out or started dating men out of convenience, it's much easier to introduce a boyfriend to your parents. The rare "lesbians" (or at least those that identify as one) are underage yuri manga addicts or straight out transbians. I don't like hanging around normie style lesbians either because I'm an autistic nerd so dating apps or meetups just don't work for me as I genuinely can't connect with them. It would be nice to talk to someone about the woes of growing up a GNC lesbian and the baggage that it bears but the well-adjusted ones who have been dating the same girl since high school just don't understand where I'm coming from. The only people who seem to get it are those who identify as nonbinary transmasc genderspecials and they coped with it by picking up he/him pronouns instead.

Related but I'm more of a tomboy than a butch, due to this my coworkers don't clock me as a lesbian so they feel comfortable spilling out their homophobia and/or butchphobia in my presence. It's depressing to listen to jokes about ugly bulldykes and lesbians in general so instead of diving head first into conflict and making things awkward for everyone I just try to reason with them a bit and change the subject as fast as I can. Hearing peoples' unfiltered antigay statements like that makes me want to unironically rope.

No. 249697

>>249590
Tbh, i think back then in weeb circles being bisexual or a lesbian was a trend. Almost every girl was “i am bi :3 teehee girls are cute”. When you hang out with them, did you date any? Did any had actual serious same sex relationships that wasnt just hand holding? I don’t trust weebs even one minute. They all were just straight girls trying to look interesting to others

No. 249787

>>249578
What happened as in why does she not post often or??? I love her pls say sike.

No. 249822

>>249590
I feel this as someone who has been a geek my whole life. It sucks more when the actual lesbians or bi women that are around my age in these circles are either in a long term relationship already or they trooned out as an early midlife crisis (I can tolerate lesbian TIF/genderspecials as friends as long as gender politics don't come up, but they always inevitably foam at the mouth over JKR or whatever and I sure as fuck wouldn't date one). Sometimes I wish I came out a decade earlier since at least actual gay people in my hobbies were legit and not bored straight people.

No. 249960

>>249543
God, yes, I feel this so hard. It's so difficult. Every single woman I meet that I click with is straight or bisexual and taken, and all lesbians I meet don't mesh well with me… and then the bisexuals who aren't taken are always genderspecials or anti-terf. Sometimes I wonder if I really will be alone, and part of me wishes I could magically turn myself bi and date a man. It's so tough.

No. 250090

>>249960
>part of me wishes I could magically turn myself bi and date a man. It's so tough.
That's hella funny because a man will also not mesh well with you even if you were attracted to one.

No. 250248

I'm a tall sporty dyke. I've always played sport and have gone to the gym since I was 12. I'm 135lbs at 5'10 but always shock people with my strength. I play sport and feel like a bully. Like I'm too strong and too rough despite being non-confrontational, quiet and socially anxious in general and would never intentionally hurt anybody.

Hard to explain but I feel like I get punished for being physical and strong because of my sexuality. idk. I wish there was a safe outlet

No. 250252

>>250090
NTA but before I became more politically/feminist aware I used to be able to mesh with guys as friends, but not being into the moid aspect made feelings impossible, and I hated myself for that. I don't seek male friends anymore since my last male friends inevitably revealed themselves as coomers (which I guess is why if I woke up bi tomorrow I likely wouldn't date a man without extreme vetting, but past libfem me would) but I hate how it's easier to find a not completely hideous guy my age with similar dorky interests to drink with than a woman who is those things

>>249960
At this point I'd love to meet a GC/Febfem bi woman but a lot of bi women within my interests or on apps are woke "pansexuals", she/theys, have a boyfriend and want a gf on the side…Even rural areas have queerios on the outskirts

No. 250336

>>250248
You genuinely sound beautiful nonna, crush me, kek.

No. 250339

>>250252
You replied to a moid.

No. 250357

>>250339
Okay, well, I couldn't tell because it gave me pinkpiller vibes more than scrote vibes and at least I saged it lmao

No. 250369

>>250339
I hope you don't mean me just because I said a woman too political to mesh with fellow lesbians can somehow get with a man and be at peace.

No. 250438

>>249590
Late, yes yes, but I relate to you immensely. It's hard to find women with the same fixated interests as you once you're 30+.

No. 250968

A coworker I have said she was lesbian in some conversation we had. When I asked her about it she clarified she ment she's into both, bisexual. She's cute and if nothing else I was hoping to have friendship since lesbians here or in general have become so scarce. Her laptop is decorated with feminist stickers but she already likes one of our male workers. I wish bisexual women would just be more straight up about being bisexual than saying they're lesbian. It's not the same especially in the current world where we can't say we want a biological xx woman. I'm happy to not be interested in men but other days I think about how much easier (and more dangerous) it is to just marry some well off guy then live with him.

No. 250973

>>249205
>>249237
when i realized i liked women i thought i had liked men because of comphet. in my experience it does seem to be easier to be one or the other instead of trying to explain you are bi with a preference for women. so in a way I get it for newly bisexual or questioning women. however, i know a lot of straight women who use it to explain why they suddenly overnight have an interest for women when they've exclusively slept with or dated men.

sage for blogpost

No. 251041

no hate against bi women but it’s so disorientating when “lesbians” in radfem spaces realise they’re bi. like some of them spent hours a day arguing with tras about how they’re not attracted to males regardless of what gender they say they are, that lesbians don’t like dick and then they realise they’re bi and invariably get a boyfriend and started posting about having sex with that guy and how good it is. it’s kind of funny but also a curious phenomenon.

obviously not every former lesbian identifying bi woman immediately gets a boyfriend but i understand why it does happen - because they met some guy who awoke the opposite sex attraction within them i guess

No. 251045

>>251041
lol I follow a couple personal cows on radblr who have done this. It's funny because it's always the most loud, outspoken, aggressive 'lesbians' who do it. I get that sexuality is tough to figure out and I don't have anything against bi women who assume they're not into men because they haven't met an attractive one yet. But there's this very specific demographic of bi women who flock to radfem spaces and spend 50% of the year posting about how wonderful Nigel is and 50% of the year melting down about how they're really valid lesbians for real and we're all goldstar incels for questioning it.

No. 251052

>>251045
>the most loud, outspoken, aggressive 'lesbians' who do it

and funnily, this is where the most vehement biphobia comes from as well. which just proves to me that biphobic lesbians are projecting onto people who are perfectly comfortable being bi.

No. 251060

>>251041
Well, straight out of Dworkin's playbook in some cases. What lesbian even spends hours of her life arguing with a tranny on tumblr and ruminates on dicks? They're just traumatized hets.

No. 251257

nonnas I just feel so sad and alone all the time. It doesn’t help that I live in a majorly homophobic country so it’s hard as it is to find lesbians to talk to. I just feel like at this point I’m going to die alone and I wish so much that I find some guy who I end up being attracted to because at least it’s better than being alone. But I know even that is never happening because I’m literally not interested in any men irl around me. The only men I find attractive are like celebrities. As soon as a guy shows interest in me I feel like throwing up and can’t imagine being with him, even if he’s nice and attractive. I’m pretty sure I’m a lesbian but all these feelings are seriously fucking me up.

No. 251300

>>251257
Please just use the questioning sexuality thread, I beg you.

No. 251343

>>251052
Then all of the posters in this thread are bi by your logic.

No. 251381

>>247495
It's crazy how fast things have changed, i met my gf like three years ago on tinder, and back then you'd only see them every so often but now they're everywhere
I can't imagine what it would look like if I were to go in tinder rn, i think I would quickly give up ngl

No. 251472

>>247579
I think people go with the dynamics they're most familiar and comfortable with, which explains the subculture.

I don't know if this is naive but I do think most relationships have a decision maker/doer and then someone who lets the other person do stuff.

>>251381
Is a safer bet using fansites for girls love/manhwa/yuri? i just feel like at least you have something to talk about already if it's a hobby site, it's not upfront, it's less awkward, but you could meet girls like you there.

i know most shoujo ai/gl weeb spaces are full of men, but i think manhwa are at least more likely to be created and appreciated by women.

No. 251621

>>251472
Korean and Chinese wlw is definitely more of a female space.

No. 252074

Bi women have traumatized me into celibacy. I don't know any lesbians or febfems, so I guess I'll just be on my own now.

No. 252081

>>250438
I would kill if there was some kind of private forum or app or whatever for non-"normie" lesbians 25-30+ who want to find similar and aren't kinky queer liberals too. The women my age I'm attracted to find that stuff silly (which is their right of course but it leads to us not being compatible) and the ones who are that I see on apps are super immature, gendery/postmodernist, unattractive (I'm still dorky but I take a shower and wear fitting clothes at least lmao)… I know I can't afford to be picky so I'd be okay with someone who isn't interested in nerdy stuff but respects it, but at this point I'll stay alone…

No. 252227

>>252081
If you’re a lesbian looking for another lesbian, the chances are small. If you’re looking for another lesbian who likes the same stuff as you? Very difficult. I sometimes think you can have chemistry with someone you’re quite different to in interests. It’s sometimes necessary to adapt.

But yeah the internet is here so I’m sure there would be fansites to help you. What kind of nerdy stuff do you like?

No. 252250

>>252227
I agree on focusing on chemistry and not too much on hobbies. Focusing on long term life goals (family, living arrangement, job), politics, and attraction would be far more beneficial for people in my view. Hobbies/interests can be shared in time and you may even discover something new that neither one of you expected to enjoy.

But maybe that's just my bias showing because I met my girlfriend thinking we didn't have enough in common on paper and turns out, we were extremely capable of the full spectrum of being into each other's lives. I was kinda guarded on hearing about one of her hobbies for a bit but it's just sweet hearing her talk my ear off about it now. I'm not gonna participate much myself but I love seeing her happy and it's good that she has something she can share with her friends which will help her be social. I don't want to be her sole provider, even though sometimes I want to be the only person in her world from how much I love her.

Ultimately it's helped us to be a bit different.

No. 252268

How will my dumb fucking ass learn my place and stop crushing on straight girls? How? When? I get to know a girl, connect with her really well, bond over things, have great chemistry and she's straight. My heart is broken. I don't even know which is the worse option, her finding the worst moid who treats her like garbage or the best Nigel ever who can give her everything I'm incapable of simply because of my sex. I'm not at all surprised that so many young lesbians troon out because it's absolutely insufferable to be one. I've known I'm a lesbian since I was 14 but denied it for as long as I could, I tried to meme myself into dating men but they feel so foreign and unnatural to me it's impossible. I'm not even out to my family and admitting my sexuality to people is painful, I would give anything to just be reborn as a man so I could at least be in the romantic proximity of women and make her feel loved and appreciated.

I'm so tired of this, I hate being gay, I know it's such a tired old statement to bitch and moan about how much suffering it is but it truly is. The only thing I can take solace in is that at least I'm not abused by a scrote.

No. 252334

if you could choose one celebrity to come out as a lesbian who would you pick and why?

No. 252344

>>252227
>>252250
AYRT, I actually am open to being with anyone with different interests (all the women I've liked do) and prefer chemistry, it's just trying to make that happen is pulling teeth. I'm not into "fandoms" or anything anymore, more like original art/OC but those spaces are filled with "PoMos" which makes the "similar interests, not queer-politically, my age, AND attractive" like a needle in haystack. But then I'm immature compared to the more normie women my age which is why bonding over interests could be easier, in theory that is. But I also wish a 25-30+ non-queerio lesbian hobby forum or discord existed in general besides dating reasons ngl

No. 252355

>>252334
Ellen Page because it would be funny

No. 252359

>>252334
JKR for maximum drama

No. 252385

>>252344
Ok i get what you’re saying. Yeah it sounds like you’re in a difficult place and I have absolutely no advice. >>252250 had a cute anecdote though, like plenty of straight couples have different interests but one small thing they both like.

>>247569
I think I’m a little too late to seethe but she really made angsty 15 year old me feel understood with all the rage in her music.

>>252334
Amalia Holm

No. 252388

>>252359
Nah, anon. She would need to come out as non-binary or something for maximum drama. Pull a Trisha Paytas and confuse the fuck out of everyone

No. 252405

>>252359
it will just give the timmies even more ammunition to hate the tiffanies, many tims already accuse tifs of being "crypto-terfs" to keep them in line

No. 252457

>>252227
>>252250
To be honest growing up as a geek doesn't necessarily mingle with the so called normies due to the life experience typical to both demographics. I'm a functional person but have chronic depression due to being bullied for my eccentricity and ostracized and isolated to the nerd community that accepted me has affected both my character and world view to the point it's often impossible to have a meaningful relationship with someone who led an average life with its generic ups and downs. I can be cordial and make small talk with my coworkers for example and have good chemistry with them, but I would imagine them becoming frustrated at how I perceive things or even embarrassed by me liking weebshit. It's usually a normie party being judgmental.

>>252355
Ellen Page is a lesbian, isn't she? Her girlfriend dumped her just before she trooned out iirc.

No. 252490

Dumb question, but how do you get over the fear when someone finds out you're a lesbian?

I blurted it out to a coworker today that I'm gay and honest to god no one would really care, we even have an openly gay man as one of the upper team leaders so it's not like I could get in any sort of trouble. But I can't shake off the fear that something might happen since I do live in a somewhat homophobic country and lost people in the past when they found out. In general I'm comfortable with my sexuality but others knowing still makes me uncomfortable.

No. 252496

>>252457
i'm pretty sure ayrt means Ellen detransitioning and going back to calling herself a lesbian

No. 252557

>>252496
kek she would be my first choice too. detrooners aren't usually treated too kindly though but to have a celebrity detrans would certainly cause some discussion. i definitely wouldn't want jkr to come out as anything since lesbians have a hard enough time as it is without queen terf saying she's one of us.

No. 252598

are there any other places like this and /cislesgen/

No. 252605

>>251041
>>251045
not to derail but didn't terri strange do this

No. 252611

>>252605
not a lesbian but just aware of terri, and yeah, she though was an admitted "political lesbian" and then got a disgusting boyfriend who was horrific and had horrible values. like real trash, horrible person.

No. 252647

Do some women grow out of lesbianism ?

I’ve never ‘got’ men physically, never wanted them intimately even when i thought i was broken because i was supposed to! As long as I can remember having ‘special’ feelings, they’ve been for women exclusively, I only have desire for women.

But I still kind of find myself believing other people’s words. I was dealing with some self hatred and looked for some counsel from ‘traditionally minded’ people who said I just need to meet the right man, or I will grow out of it. And I hear so much about women who call themselves ‘sapphic’ and then end up with men. It makes me think that it will happen to me. I still subconsciously think I will grow out of it or be fixed by a man because that’s what I told myself for so long. Even though the idea of living life with a man seems disappointing and getting intimate with a man seems quite gross and unappealing in all cases, whereas it’s only women in my fantasies, and sometimes I find myself shipping women together, like I see shows with two women and I can’t stop thinking ‘they need to kiss rn!!!’

I just feel like a mistake, something undeveloped. Is this a normal feeling?

No. 252651

>>252647
No. You feel invalidated because some bisexual women think they're lesbians but then when they realize they're bi and can date men, tell everyone lesbianism is a phase. Again, some bi women, not all and they might not even be bi! They might be straight women who date women because they're less threatening and dump them once a man comes along. Don't let labels confuse you, date whoever you want unless you're scared it's going to put you in danger, then keep it lowkey or wait until you move to a more supportive environment. Lesbian women are the most common target for violence so if you're in an environment where you need to risk your well-being to be open keeping it a secret might be a better idea. Also most therapists don't know about lgbt stuff aside from basic tradshit or superwoke twitterthink so it might be a better idea not to base your identity off on what random people tell you.

No. 252652

>>252647
If you're questioning, bring it to the questioning thread. It's generally frowned upon to assume being lesbian is a 'phase' to grow out of, if you're feeling attractions to men then call yourself bi, there is no shame in being bi as long as you don't still pretend you're totally lesbian and still talk about how you want to be with dudes.

Though I relate to the feeling. Before I understood my own feelings I dated a guy in school because he had a crush on me and I thought I had to. Looking back it was awkward as hell, I didn't really let him touch me and I knew I didn't like him but he was the only person that asked me out so I felt like that was my only option. I still think to this day my family believes a man will come along and I'll be married to him like a good southern wife but I've always been adversed to marriage when imagining my life with a man. Obviously if you are looking for advice from these type of people they would tell you this, I can't tell you either way where your attractions lie, that's on you, but I will say don't just go with an option that is acceptable to other people.

No. 252656

I need it to be the weekend so I can go lick my girlfriend's abs. That's all.

No. 252661

>>252652
I don’t feel any attraction to men. Don’t want to do anything with them, fictional or real, they just look boring and a little weird. I wanted to like men for a long time because i wanted to be ‘good’ and not be told I’m gross, and even then i didn’t get attraction to men. If i saw attractive women or women with attractive figures i would look away and try to think of something else so i wouldn’t pervert myself. I’m not questioning, I think I’m just beginning to accept myself as a homosexual. Also, I feel like I’m not masculine enough to be gay. Like my family sometimes says women with short hair ‘look gay’ so because mine is long and i. like skirts i feel like a sussy gay impostor.

>>252651
That’s the thing, how do you know you yourself aren’t bi? For some of these women it takes like 30 years to ‘realise’, so could you say all lesbians could just be very very picky bisexuals? Or did these women just prefer women but choose to identify as Lenin until they found the right man? I hear so many people say that sexuality is fluid, but I’ve only liked one gender as long as i have felt attraction.
That being said i am kind of just playing the devils advocate here, i do believe a lot of these ex-lesbians were bi girls with a preference.

And definitely i wouldn’t be visible in any way, it’s not that I’m scared of violence, it’s more that other women may see me as an outsider/not one of them.

>>252656
Based, inspirational, and a reminder to all of us to workout kek

No. 252673

>>252661
>choose to identify as Lenin
kek

No. 252689

>>252661
>a lot of these ex-lesbians were bi girls with a preference
You mean all of them? Because being a lesbian and "turning to men" is just not a thing kek, when I lived in a homophobic shithole I preferred to just stay single rather than getting with a man. All of those ex-lesbians were bi all along.

No. 252697

>>252689
Yeah that's what I mean. It would either be that ex lesbians are just bi women who didn't admit it or sexual fluidity is real, which for me has never been the case, even when I resented my sexuality I was just celibate, even in my thoughts.

No. 252710

>>252697
NTA but the sexual fluidity thing literally just sounds like how bisexuality works. Bicycling is basically that.

No. 252719

>>252385
AYRT (late reply), it's tough, so I kinda settled that I won't find anyone. Technically I'm opening my horizons to non-lesbians, I'd love to date a "terfy/queer-phobic" bi woman/febfem that's my type and creative-minded like me too (especially if we could collaborate on original fiction), but then they tend to be too old or too young. I really wish I came out a decade earlier. I try not to be bitter but it's frustrating how half of my younger (early 20s) friends can score a date on Tinder relatively easy (and yes, I've tried that too and almost got catfished since I'm dumb with these things) but women my age are already in LTRs with their sweetheart.

>>252457
Heh, I relate a lot although I have autism/ADHD and other "cringe" disorders that affect things. I can LARP as normal pretty easy but I feel like a "how do you do, fellow kids" when it comes to the women I like who are the opposite of me and therefore chemistry-less.

>>252388
Sage for slight derail, but didn't Cathy Brennan say she was nonbinary as a way to troll? I'd prefer JKR not come out as a lesbian, because she isn't (and it would have both bad implications due to her being the "terf queen" and a domestic abuse victim), but it would be funny if she tried to play TRA's game and be "you know what, I have no gender technically, so I'm agender". Or even, "I identify as a man now you can't call me a terf since men can't be feminists".

>>252661
>That’s the thing, how do you know you yourself aren’t bi? For some of these women it takes like 30 years to ‘realise’
I've known some people like that and it's not the majority. You're probably young, so I don't want to be harsh, but in the last thread there was a similar girl who talked about how she only enjoys thinking about women but thinks not liking men is some mental block she can grow out of. Women who realize they're attracted to men later in life tend to have already known in some way but repress it for one reason or another, like guilt or being so attached to "lesbian" as a label. Sexuality is only fluid for bisexuals, some bi people feel like they're 50/50 but go to 90/10 and label themselves as something else during that period.

No. 252808

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I have such a painfully intense crush on my best friend, anons. She said that she feels the same way but we're at very different stages of life, so it wouldn't work. Ughh I wish she wasn't so perfect

No. 252814

Is Lesbian different from Not Straight?

No. 252815

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>>247457
>>247470
For real. Same with Kendall

No. 252826

>>252808
Is there no way you two can work to get to a place where you could be on similar stages in life? I can't help but root for shit like this nonita!

>>247457
Femme has completely lost its benign meaning, it only means a doctored, synthetic femininity (a la insta models with pounds of makeup and a totally contrived attitude) and every woman who is actually femme but just normal looking now gets gender dysphoria because they feel too masc to be femme. So stupid. I do think the gender-coded sublabels for lesbians is not really necessary anymore since we're not in a place where we have to conform to heteronormative dynamics every time.

Zendaya and Kendall are ever-so-slightly masculine sometimes, but butch?? lol. Zendaya in particular does have mannerisms that are not calculated in the delicate, hyper feminine way we're used to seeing from women in her status which is probably the main reason so many get "gay vibes" from her. Like she behaves in a blunt and kinda dorky manner often times. That and her utter failure to establish chemistry with anyone that she shares a scene with. I wouldn't say she has sexual chemistry with any women either though, she gives me asexual.

No. 252828

forever wishing i was gold star again. feel disgusting. do you ever get over it? i want to rope.

No. 252838

>>252828
You can get therapy if you feel like you've been assaulted but remember that everyone explores and sometimes does stuff they don't really feel comfortable with doing and blaming yourself or seeing yourself dirty isn't logical. You're not dirty for doing something literally every adult does, yeah it was a mistake but mistakes don't leave you dirty, they grant you knowledge. Now you're sure being with men won't work for you and that this is your identity. Most women have a harder time figuring out their sexuality because female sexuality is a taboo and trust me, most lesbians aren't goldstars because of how heteronormity is forced onto girls and how many women get sexually assaulted. Caring about goldstar status is almost like aligning with scrotes and how they don't want women who've been fucked or dirtied by other men, aka more knowledgeable about sex than the said scrotes. Yeah lesbians might choose not to date bisexuals and that's what goldstar term was meant to be used for, but you're not bisexual so it doesnt matter.

No. 252869

>>252828
I wish I was a gold star too. Technically I don't know if I "count" as one since whether SA counts depends on who you're asking, but the "discourse" about it still gets me really down and years of therapy never made that go away. I wish I knew what it was like to be completely clueless on what sex with a guy was like.

No. 252874

>>252869
I understand you're working on it still but I think you need to unplug from the "discourse" as you put it. I've never met someone who is obsessed with gold stardom (a version that excludes SA even, wtf??) and isn't a complete psycho. Your body can't be tainted by contact with men. This is scrote level thought and I seriously question any lesbian that bullies others for it, unless they're bihets parading as lesbians or something. As the other anon said, goldstar isn't for you or women who willingly participated in sex acts they didn't actually want.

No. 252887

it seems like a lot of lesbians are disgusted by non-gold stars

No. 252893

>>252828
>>252869
I'm a gold star myself but I honestly wouldn't give a shit if someone else wasn't. Figuring out your sexuality doesn't always come easy and people struggle with it a lot, as long as you're not one of those "Yeah I had long, fulfilling relationships with men and had consensual, passionate sex with them but then I realized I'm a lesbian" people then relax.

No. 252900

>>252887
Only troonsbians who fantasize about lesbians being women who never got fucked by men or straight men who only know lesbians as women untouched by dirty dirty men would care about goldstar shit. Given how common SA and wrong choices or exploration is, caring about this is stupid.

No. 252920

>>252874
AYRT, I don't engage in discourse and when it comes to online I autoblock hardcore radfems and people who post "if you ever dated a man even if it was holding hands with a guy in highschool prom for a week you're a bisexual", but I still find it hard when some lesbians actively brag about never being touched by a man. I guess it mostly depends on location/culture, so if someone was raised where arranged marriages were common, I could understand being proud of it, but most hardcore gold stars aren't.

No. 252936

Unpopular opinion but what a shame that lesbians aren't more feminine. There is nothing empowering about not shaving, cutting your hair short or wear ugly baggy clothes imo.

I went a couple of times in lesbian bars and there was barely any "normal" woman. Looks-wise but also psychologically. Same on Tinder. On the 5 dates I did I came across a sex worker and a bipolar. That's a lot. I have since uninstalled. I'm probably too judgemental but I want someone like me. Fem, good career and stable mentally.

No. 252941

>>252936
Go date bisexuals then, I'm sure you'll find your beautiful successful femme lipstick goddess there. It's okay to have preferences, I like femmes too, but this "ew why can't there be NORMAL women besides these ugly buzzcut feminist bulldykes!!" does make you sound hella judgmental and shallow.

No. 252943

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No. 252947

>>252936
>There is nothing empowering about not shaving, cutting your hair short or wear ugly baggy clothes imo.
It may not be super "empowering" in the sense that women's rights will be pushed forward if I do it, but speaking from experience as someone who was pressured by family to do these things or else I would be ugly or unwomanly, it feels a lot better to dress comfortable and not shave or cake my face with makeup.

I only like fem women too, but not hyperfeminine. You can still look fem or have a naturally feminine body type/demeanor without shaving or wearing makeup (which I highly prefer), since you can still have good hygiene and groom without those things.

>>252941
The butch4butch lesbians I know would also love to know where these masc buzzcut dykes even are, lmao. Even on TV most lesbians are mostly fem-looking.

No. 252955

>>252941
The sex worker one was bisexual and I guess in the bars some were also bisexual. That's not the point. And when I say feminine it isn't bimbo, just conventionally styled.

No. 252959

>>252947
I get what you're saying. But I feel like there's no in between. Either the style is very masculine OR alternative with dyed hair and too much make up - euphoria style. I don't know I just don't feel comfortable when going to lgbt spaces.

No. 252966

>>252959
It's probably because it's usually people who make their sexuality or politics their entire identity that frequent advertised "lgbt" spaces. I'm an "in between" and I don't go there for that reason, it sucks but if you really wanna meet a normal person who just happens to be gay or bi or whatever you're better off making friends in hobby spaces or meetups, obviously there will be maladjusts in there too but dating is about working to find someone in my experience

No. 252994

>>252966
Yes that’s exactly it ! Not sure about the making friends part tho, people are mostly straight. I guess I have to download Tinder again, depressing.

No. 253000

>>252936
Femmes exist anon.

No. 253001

>>252947
I wish i could meet hyperfem women. All the hyperfem ones are straight

No. 253067

>>252959
Pretty sure you just pay more attention to them because they stand out from the crowd, plenty of lesbians look like normal people but they don't catch your eye because they're not kweer activists with a billion flag pins and alternative clothing, and most of them don't visit LGBT places for obvious reasons. For example I look like a completely average woman to the point I always have to hear this "Ew why do all lesbians dress up so weird???" bullshit from people not aware of my sexuality.

No. 253068

>>252936
>short haired women who don't shave aren't NORMAL womennn!!!
Kek. You're probably pulling mentally ill people because you sound mentally ill too. How are women not glamming up or not fitting male gaze 24/7 abnormal? I shave and have long hair but I'd rather kms than talk to you.

No. 253073

>>253068
Dont be upset anon you know what they meant. The average woman shaves and doesnt go on autistic rants about how evil it is to shave

No. 253074

>>252936
I know how you feel anon. Theyre either radfem anti makeup types or TIFs. Theres no inbetween anymore.

No. 253075

>>253068
You sound mentally ill kek
Lesbians are allowed to prefer feminine women

No. 253079

>>253068
Well yes they're not normal meaning not conventionally styled. Also why shaving is considered male gaze ?… Having pubes while cunnilingus is a pain. And baggy clothes don't enhance the natural figure of a woman.

>>253067
Yeah I was talking about LGBT spaces, bars more specifically.

No. 253080

>>253079
This is such a gross post it makes me shudder reading it.

No. 253092

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>>253079
very obvious male bait, please nonnies stop responding to the moid

No. 253099

>>253075
You can like whoever you like but calling women abnormal because they don't fit your standards and constantly running into mentally ill people means you're not that healthy either.
>>253080
This.

No. 253108

>>253099
Do you know the definition of normal ? It refers to a norm. I said it was an unpopular opinion but damn I didn't except so much offence.
And if I don't have the same opinions as you I'm necessary a man, right. Ok nice lol !

No. 253121

>>253099
Im not the same anon. She meant normal as in the norm. Stop making a big deal out of nothing. The average woman shave and wears makeup and wants to enhance her shape which is what anon wants. Can you guys spend one day without sperging out about “BBBUT MUH MALE GAZE”?

No. 253122

>>253108
dont listen to the retards kek its very obvious what you meant. anons here cant handle lesbians who like women who are feminine and they make everything about men for no reason

No. 253125

>>253108
So short haired women and women who don't always shave are out of the norm? Have you ever seen women irl?
>>253121
My friendgroup consists of straight women and they don't wear makeup, do their hair or shave every day either. Yeah they'd do their makeup and style their hair if we were going out to somewhere fancy or there was an event but otherwise not really. It's not normal to be this obsessed with performative femininity. She's not attracted to women if seeing bodyhair or natural beauty disgusts her.

No. 253135

>>253125
Who talked about wearing make up everyday anytime or shaving everyday ? Not my fault you imagined some bimbo.

No. 253139

people gave this super oppressed femme enjoyer reasonable responses too but she's only interested in defending her shitty wording from her initial post. let her be, she's sad enough that her prospects don't have bald enough pussies for her delicate mouth.

No. 253145

slight change of topic but do you guys prefer when stories about gay people include homophobia or don’t include it? i’ve seen people praise that our flag means death show for not having any homophobia and i guess i understand why those stories are important for people but as someone who feels the crushing weight of homophobia every day and still struggles with internalised homophobic thoughts all the time i much prefer stories that include homophobia because it gives me hope and ways to envision navigating through it. that being said i try to avoid stories with super tragic endings but just reading or watching other gay people live and survive through homophobia is so much more useful to me than immersing myself in a fantasy where it doesn’t exist. i don’t think there is any right or wrong answer to this though so i’m keen to here other people’s opinions

No. 253146

>>253145
What kind of stories ? You mena in media in general ?

No. 253149

>>253092
that lady is like 13 heads tall

No. 253150

>>253146
yeah i general it could be anything -books, tv, movies, fiction podcasts, comics etc. i know the prevalence of stories with gay characters but no homophobia a relatively recent phenomenon but i’m sure it’s something that’s only going to get more popular as time goes on

No. 253151

>>253150
Oh then it depends on the genre I guess. The thing is shows mostly take place in Western rich environments, homophobia then isn't really a subject.

No. 253161

>>253150
I don't think homophobia shouldn't appear in media at all, but it's really nice to have more light-hearted representation too. I like watching sitcoms to unwind, for example, so I'd love a good sitcom with a lesbian main character whose sexuality isn't the butt of a joke.

>>253067
This. I'm pretty normal looking and when I go to lesbian events (especially outside of pride) 85+% of the women there look really normal. As someone who prefers butches it's honestly annoying how rare they are and how much competition there is for their attention.

No. 253163

>>253150
I agree. Media where homophobia doesn’t exist or het isn’t clearly the dominant sexuality is too disconnected from my reality imo. It doesn’t move me in the same way.

No. 253164

>>253145
I prefer when stories don't have homophobia. I respect that it helps you process your stuff but for me it does not help.

I like heavy subjects and hate romantic comedies though so finding a lesbian film/show that is both angsty but isn't about homophobia or lesbians being "crazy" (looking at you Duck Butter) or porny is like… yeah it feels impossible.

No. 253168

why do homophobic bisexuals feel entitled to calling themselves gay for their own comfort knowing perfectly well that they are lying and contributing to harmful ideas about homosexuality… non gold star anons: you unironically should talk to more bi people lol, you would find out your experience is more common than you think. lesbian means no dick full stop. if you've had any urge to experiment with the opposite sex you are NOT homosexual

No. 253170

>>253168
here we go again

No. 253208

>>253092
honestly i hate that most art online about wlw is always some infantile stuff like mermaids, fairies princesses and so on. it's always the same childish stories and images, there's something so unsexual and clinical about it

No. 253215

>>253168
have you considered that some lesbians don't want to be lesbian

like i don't get it some insane women literally go and mutilate their own bodies because they don't wanna be gay but straight instead and try to become men and that's understandable and something that people agree with, yes of course some women go and get their damn tits cut off etc bodyhorror shit because of homophobia, but somehow trying to become straight by having straight sex is completely unthinkable behavior

No. 253224

>>253135
>wants shaved long haired women with makeup
>well it's not a bimbo!
Retard.
>>253168
There's definitely a moid baiting, this is one of his posts along with calling lesbians ugly and unkempt. He's trying to start an infight, please don't fall for it.

No. 253225

>>253215
The type of gay woman who transitions like that is almost always a gold star. Partaking in het sex is not the same category.

No. 253228

>>253225
Stop trying to start infights. If you wanna bring bisexuals do it in the questioning thread or vent in the vent thread if you just want to vent.
>>253215
This is true and very sad.

No. 253241

>>253145
I am very similar to you, gay stories being depicted in a homophobia free realistic world only makes me bitter. Though if it is fantasy with magic and dragons and shit then I can read it fine. I guess with more realistic stuff I start projecting too much

No. 253245

>>253079
>Also why shaving is considered male gaze ?
I can't tell if you're dumb or a moid baiting, but do ever remember having your mom force you to shave because it's "gross"/"unladylike" and whatnot? And it's male gazey because moids tend to think being a hairless Barbie doll is peak attractive. Also I don't like crazy forest bushes either but I'd rather a woman at least trim than imitate a child and wax her crotch completely.

>And baggy clothes don't enhance the natural figure of a woman.

Ok? Women don't have to always look pretty for you either… Like I said in another post, I only like fem women too but I also like natural femaleness too (no makeup or waxed hair).

>>253145
It depends, however I personally find it cathartic when fantasy does have homophobia. I don't have full-on magic fantasy OCs but my worlds do have some form of -ism since I use it as an outlet to vent.

>>253168
I'm a "non gold star" because I was assaulted. Does that count as being "pure enough" or should I have just known better, lmao?

No. 253247

>>253245
It's a moid baiting. Please don't let it get to you anon. I was too assaulted and realize how you feel, I'm sure any woman would sympathize with such a situation regardless her sexual orientation so it makes sense only a moid would make such posts. Also, the moid has been shitting up this thread with hot takes all day, first it's saying only goldstars matter, then women having to look like idealized conventionally beautiful women media advertises and then shitting up on bi women.

No. 253253

people on here calling it moid baiting are repressed bishits lmao(bait)

No. 253254

obviously rape doesnt count you retards

No. 253264

Such small duck energy trying to fuck up intelligent beautiful lesbians, how pathetic and predictable.
Can we do lesbian history posts here too? Like kick ass scientists or artists, educators, etc

No. 253304

>>253225
partaking in hetero sex is way less major thing to do with your body than amputating your breasts and cutting up your genitals? you think taking hormones and permanently changing your body is a way more likely thing to do to partake in heterosexual society than trying to act heterosexual through sex?

No. 253305

https(:)//(discord).(gg)/(5B7VJPxR)

No. 253315

>>253305
What's this invite supposed to be?

No. 253332

>>253247
AYRT, honestly at this point I'm baiting back since I tend to backread and reply to posts I find interesting, lmao. Also I sage it too just in case

No. 253476

>>253474
im convinced that at this point the majority of males are gay with how obsessed with dicks you are.
No women cares or thinks about dick including straight women.
Men are the only one who think about sucking and taking dick all the time.
Trust me women don't want your inferior worm.

No. 253608

My girlfriend has this scrote friend who has said time and time again that he'd like to date her if she could like him. On top of this, I found out that he's been saying that our relationship won't work out and that neither one of us is capable of being healthy mentally, if we're together. She's told him to stop saying things like that and he apologized (recent development) but I can't stop letting this get to me. I can't ask her to drop this friend she's had for over a decade because I don't wanna be toxic and controlling but I also can't stand that this piece of shit who's fantasizing about her despite knowing she's a lesbian… I can't stop seething. WTF do I do? I can't help but think awful things.

No. 253610

Man, getting ghosted sucks

No. 253618

I need to go on a date so bad nonnies, I want walk around the park or have a picnic. Fuck it I'm about to use a dating app just to meet someone, I don't even care if it leads anywhere I just want to live put this fantasy rn.

No. 253627

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No. 253701

>>253608
wtf are they even friends for? he sounds horrendous. i'm sorry you're dealing with such a shithead, anon

No. 253740

>>253701
I guess their shared online communities and hobbies. I would never let someone like that stay in my life and I can't reconcile our difference in this matter. She said she'll drop him if I explicitly ask but it's not right for me to demand that and idk if she'd actually follow through at this point. I wish she just agreed with me, however selfish I feel about even wanting that.

No. 253784

>>253618
Me too nonners. I want to play scary arcade games and then have chips and beer by the seaside and have a snog with my hand in her hair under the pier whilst listening to Syd Matters.

No. 253788

>>253740
id hate to be one of those people but she is probably one of those bi women larping as a lesbian. From my experience ive seen this happen where the ''lesbian'' with the clingy male friend where they end up dating years later.

No. 253796

>>253784
Wtf nonnie I love piers and arcades lets go on a date ♥

No. 253804

>>253796
Nonnie I’m not playing you’d better be in Folkestone in July ♥ ♥

No. 253810

>>253788
I believe her when she says she knows she's a lesbian (as in, that she thinks that) but she doesn't have a long dating history and letting that guy sniff around is giving me really bad vibes.

No. 253813

Do you ever see someone either irl or on the internet and they just instantly "ping" as gay to you? Vidrel does that for me, maybe it's different for non-britbongs though

No. 253871

>>247377
things I would do w my gf if I had one:
go on road trips
go backpacking
shrooms
start a really bad girl band
take naps
rent airbnb in mountains and go skinny dipping at some waterfall
go for long walks in middle of night
make out by a nice bonfire or fireplace

what would you do?

No. 253889

>>253608
Confront him directly next time you see him. Command some respect.

No. 253901

>>253889
Another layer of absurdity is that this person is an online friend of hers. They've met in person before I came into the picture but I've never met him online or otherwise. She'll be offended if I question her motives but reading the post saying she's secretly bi and some unfortunate Reddit lurking in the subject has rotted my brain this weekend. I'm better off burying this deep inside and just letting her hurt me if she's gonna hurt me I think. She's madly in love with me and I don't want to play into the scrotecs hand by pushing her away. I saw her yesterday and I was too visibly sad and she seemingly has no idea what I'm so sad about. If she didn't connect the dots then I probably should just take that as a free pass to drop the topic.

No. 253906

>>253901
Then talk with your gf about it, how you feel uncomfortable. Your girlfriend isn't mentalist, give her a chance by expressing your feelings to her. Otherwise you'll end up resentful.

I would personally tell her to block him since I don't value online relationships+this guy clearly wants to fuck her. But that's a very personal opinion as I don't know you, her or the guy. But the first step is to tell her your feelings are hurt.

No. 253908

Sorry in advance and please help me out bc I'm probably (likely) socially retarded or something and overly worried about being in a relationship for the first time but it's bad that she's my aquaintance (that I have also have carnal relations making it gf but still kind of companion role) right? I mean I'm having a hard time thinking of things to do that differs from best friend that I have intercourse with. Were both exactly the same brand of antisocial sperg so it's currently satisfactory, but aiming to increase romantic skills would probably be good, somehow? We both don't want to do stuff in public for schizo reasons and practical ones so what should I do? I make her objects already and try to do services that she'll appreciate but should I try to get over the anxiety and do dating publicly? People do it because it's beneficial in some area over homophobia right? I don't want people percieving me in weird ways and I secondhandly work with children so I don't people maybe thinking I'm groomer aligned is sad, also neither of our parents are that positive about it. The only thing good I could think of doing it would be that my mother thinks I'm going to Troon out or kill myself and it might be reassuring to her that in not going to die a volcel even when she vocally hates female homos and will likely try to kill me immediately. Nonas has anything positive come from "coming out"/going public for you or what we're your motivations in doing so? 

Also more lightheartedly I've recovered from having surgery enough that I can lift her a little and am gaining woman induced strength. Feels good overall and everythings fine apart from aforementioned issue.

No. 253911

>>253608
It's one thing to have unrequited feelings for someone who you know isn't attracted to your sex full stop.. it's another thing to voice those feelings repeatedly. He's trying something there. I had male friends do this shit when I was younger and looking back I wish I had cut them off sooner because it's disrespectful for them to keep trying to plant that seed in your head. There's no grey zone where him voicing that over and over again is somehow innocent and not just passive aggressive horny male behaviour. Most people feel unrequited feelings at some point but he's handling it in a douchebag way.

Is she young enough to legit be naive about his nature here? In my early twenties I was legit that naive and I wasn't enjoying the attention, I just didn't see it for what it really is.

No. 253920

>>253911
Shes' 29. I just found out that she encouraged this thing in a mortifying way (that I won't air out here) a few years ago when she got dumped by her ex gf and wanted attention. Now I'm in fucking shambles. I want to throw up.

No. 253928

>>253608
So weird. It can happen to have a male friend crushing on you and shooting his shot, but him trying it over and over? I would be really uncomfortable and cut him off myself. And the fact he even tries to break you two up makes things worse.
Don't even know what to say, I don't understand why is your gf allowing him to be so disrespectful both to her, you and her relationship. She's either bi and keeps him sniffing around because she's half-interested, or she really needs to strengthen her self esteem and set boundaries.

No. 253929

>>253920
Ah shit, sorry, didn't see you already replied. So I guess it was the former… I'm sorry anon.

No. 253930

>>253608
I would honestly not stand for this and would confront the guy instead of my girlfriend if she's not comfortable enough to be direct with him. Even if they've been friends for a decade it's still extremely inappropriate behavior and very disrespectful. Agree with >>253928 too, she's either keeping him on standby or needs your intervention.

No. 253931

>>253920
>she encouraged this thing in a mortifying way (that I won't air out here)
She sent him nudes, didn't she. Welp, guess this settles the matter of her sexuality. Sorry you had to find out this way, but now her keeping him close despite his actions makes a hella lot more sense

No. 253958

>>253931
Please tell us that it isn't that anon

No. 253966

Right ladies. Bumble hasn’t worked out for me. I’m tired of being overweight and shit. I started lifting and eating clean. I’m feeling good, loosing weight and gaining muscle. I’ve loved strong woman since I was young (before I even knew what gay was). I’ll just become my own strong wife.

No. 253970

>>253958
It was not nudes and it was not the guy who instigated as far as she tells it so now my mind is not at all on this scrote anymore. She apologized for contributing to the lesbians being available idea and said that she felt wrong and gross when that exchange with him happened. She was in a really bad mental space at that time and I feel like maybe that was self harm for her. I'm choosing to trust her and if she hurts me someday, she hurts me. She said she has the same fears of me turning out to be bi and dropping her for a man someday. If I'm an idiot then so be it, I just love her too much.

No. 253973

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I've never had sex with any other girl than my gf and lately I've been fantasizing about having a hoe phase. I love my girl and I'm not even the kind of person to hoe around but damn, these fantasies are hitting rn.

No. 253975

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>>253871
oh shit this is so cute nonnie, it's gonna hurt but I will answer too

-go to the cinema/watch movies at home and spend hours talking about it
-go to museum together, and I take tons of photos of her and all the art pieces
-read in confortable silence in a dedicated comfy area
-take long walks together, especially in nature
-massage her head and play with her hair if it relaxes her
-furnish and decorate a living space where we can feel at home
-encourage eachother to do all sorts of weird art and crafts
-kiss her hands at any moment of the day if she's ok with it (it sound weird but I really love this medieval display of affection kek)
-cook her her favorite food

Feeling very maidenless today kek

No. 253979

>>253908
you sound very online, maybe surround yourself with less toxic content. i'm sorry your parents are homophobic, im sure that doesnt help.
I think your partner is supposed to also be your best friend. there are many different forms of intimacy, maybe you can build them up over time. also you dont have to do anything you dont want. sounds like you dont feel comfortable dating a woman even in your personal space, so it makes sense youre not comfortable being out in public. thats fine, maybe work on your inner acceptance and confidence first and then take some small steps.
btw its okay to be gay and work with children.

No. 253982

>>253973
Let's switch places. Fucking around is empty and boring as fuck, I want a gf.

No. 254030

>>253975
are you me nona? happy to know i'm not the only one into the autistic hand thing…

No. 254034

>>253970
why are you two even dating if you clearly don’t trust each other

No. 254035

>>254034
Who would trust a girl flirting with a friend who wants to fuck her. I think the anon is way too kind already.

No. 254047

>>254035
yeah but her girlfriend is also worried about her “turning bisexual” and leaving her for a man. they just don’t trust each other. even if one or both of them is actually bisexual that shouldn’t mean they should seriously fear them cheating or leaving them for a man

No. 254059

>>254047
I'm so happy that you don't have this anxiety but we've both been left for men before by late bloomer bisexuals and it's not so weird if you've been through that.

No. 254064

>>254059
if this has happened to both of you before it seems extra insensitive that she would keep being friends with this guy. i think you need to talk to her and explain what you’re feeling.

i was in a similar situation where i had some casual guy friends who were clearly trying to hit but as i was young and naive at the time (i was 19) i didn’t really realise it for what it was. i told my girlfriend about it and she was told me they clearly don’t have good intentions and are just biding their time so i broke it off with those guys because i ultimately didn’t value their “friendship” as much much as i valued my girlfriend and i also didn’t feel comfortable being friends with dudes who i realised are only sticking around on the off chance they could fuck. it also just wasn’t respectful to my relationship to my girlfriend. it’s different here because this dude sounds like he’s closer friends with your girlfriend but i think any self respecting lesbian wouldn’t keep guys like this around. maybe she’s insecure or maybe she’s secretly bisexual i don’t know but i know that i wouldn’t want to keep being friends with a guy who clearly just wants to fuck.

i used to be naive and projected my own experiences onto these guys. i used to fall for my straight friends and i was able to continue being friends with them whilst i got over my feelings so when i was younger and didn’t really know any guys (went to an all girls school) i assumed men would be the same. they’re not and i was in for a shock as i entered the adult world and realised that plenty of guys only act friendly with girls if they think they can hit.

No. 254103

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made me chuckle

No. 254132

>>253970
Sounds like a load of excuses on her side and the story seems inconsistent as fuck (now she sexted this guy, now it's another guy, now it was just looking for attention, now it's "self harm") and the trying to turn it around by saying "No actually I worry that you will drop me for a man" despite what's happening seems textbook bullshit. I've seen this before.
I got a bad feeling about this, and you probably have it too since you mentioned getting bad vibes from this, but I do hope we're both wrong and there's nothing going on between your gf and this guy. Did you settle the thing about this guy sniffing around and trying to break you up? Is she going to cut him off or stop his insinuations in any way?

No. 254144

>>254132
I appreciate your concern, along with all the anons honestly. She did level with him sternly and he said he will stop making any comments critical of me or us and he will drop any flirting attempt as well. It seems like he gets one second chance and if he fucks up, he's out. We had a long talk and I spoke up about every concern I have and let her have it basically. I do think this situation has red flags but we have had a remarkable relationship so far and I want to see if there will be another fuckup after I've made it clear I do not consent to being with a bisexual. Thank you so much everyone for giving your input, even though I'm making a dumb mistake in most of your eyes.

No. 254166

>>254144
Have you told her you don't want to be with a bisexual woman? Because that could explain the sneaky shit and maintaining an orbiter. A lot of bisexual women claim to be lesbian while they're in relationships with women and if she feels like she would he rejected by you if she was it could explain a lot of this. It just sounds like a hotbed for resentment. I hope you find peace anon.

No. 254179

>>254166
She knows. Her outlook on her past was that it didn't matter but for me it does, so there was some misalignment in terms of expectations on disclosure between us. We had a talk about all of it. Bottom line is neither one of us wants a bi partner and we agreed to confront the other if one of us has a late bloomer situation.

Also just wanna clarify on an earlier point made, it was my speculation that the sexting was self harm at a time where she was dealing with being dumped by her transitioning gf, not something she said as justification. Also there is only one guy involved in this whole thing, it was never multiple guys. Not sure what gave that impression. Again thanks a lot to the nonitas that chimed in regardless. It means a lot to get perspective and I feel stronger as far as facing future consequences go.

No. 254243

why can't the bi thread keep lesbians and especially goldstars out of its dicksucking mouth for even a second?

No. 254264

>>254243
Lesbians behaving like incels. Not even surprised. The amount of hatred yall have for lesbians is crazy.

No. 254265

>>254264
*bisexual women

No. 254266

>>254243
This is funny because most times I scroll past this thread, there's at least one post with the word bisexual/bi in it. Also, the first time anyone ever mentioned gold stars in that thread was a post from 4 days ago.

No. 254267

>>254047
Who cares if she leaves her for a man? How does this affect you? Its so entitled to care about this shit youre just as bad as men. Why does it matter if shes not yours anymore? Mental illness

No. 254268

>>254267
Are you okay

No. 254269

>>254268
I am okay. I just dont get why details of the person shes leaving you for even matters. I dont get why men and lesbians get mad about this kind of stuff

No. 254272

>>254265
cope harder but you're projecting ptsd from your ex boyfriend

No. 254274

>>254264
>Lesbians behaving like incels. Not even surprised.
you're in a thread of lesbians insulting them at large because i called you out for insulting them in your own thread. stay obsessed though orbiter

No. 254275

>>254267
the mental illness is you being pressed at other people's sexual preferences and constantly talking about how horrible men are while comparing lesbians to them at every chance you get just because some don't want to date bisexuals you lesbophobic creep

>>254265
yeah and it's the bis

No. 254277

>>254269
You don't get why men and lesbians get mad about being cheated on? Did you even understand what was being discussed or did you just drop by to insult lesbians

No. 254278

>>254059
it's more likely to happen because bisluts love to cheat on their girlfriends with men since 99% of them prefer men and the ones who don't only prefer women because they're tryhard feminists who hate men so just dump her

No. 254280

>>254274
>for insulting them in your own thread
Nta, but the post you're getting mad over didn't even insult lesbian women, she actually said the opposite (and again, that is the first time that goldstars were ever talked about in that thread). It's clear that you are purposefully misinterpreting that anons post to have something to be mad about, salty asshole.

No. 254281

Who said anything about bis being more likely to cheat? Anon was complaining about her girlfriend actively flirting with a guy she knows has a crush on her. It makes sense to anticipate cheating to anyone with an IQ above 80.

Stop playing victims.

No. 254282

>>254280
she accused lesbians who haven't fucked men of being psychos who harass lesbians who've fucked men (and who can't stop talking about it to lesbians for some reason even though it's "in the past" then act surprised at the response when they make it their entire personality and the focus of all conversation lol)

No. 254283

>>254282
She didn't, you just can't read.

No. 254284

>>254283
except she did say the gold star shit is psycho in reply to someone whining about fucking a guy. tell yourself whatever you need to cope

No. 254288

Can the trolls derailing fuck off? Please and thank you.

No. 254303

>>254282
well is she wrong, honestly? online lot of lesbians who are really into identifying as gold stars do exactly that. i remember how on tumblr non golstars used to get all kinds of dickrider, cocksucker etc messages and you yourself seem like a good example of this behavior when you call women bisluts and dick suckers. you behave like an incel and crying about lesbophobia wont change it

No. 254305

>>254267
>you're just like men for not wanting to be cheated on or lied to about your partner's sexuality
this is why we don't want to date you people. anyways…

No. 254350

Jojo Siwa gives me Jodie Foster vibes.

No. 254351

>>254303
an incel is someone who can't get a date and lesbians absolutely can, it's the bisluts invading lesbian spaces demanding a date from lesbians and calling us men and incels when we say no so reconsider

No. 254352

>>254305
>you're just like men for not wanting to be cheated on or lied to about your partner's sexuality
they think it's fine to casually call lesbians psychos just for openly daring to say they've never dated/fucked a man, and it's perfectly ok to call lesbians incel men every 5 seconds for having a problem with literal cheaters, but i can't call them a bisluts and dick suckers for those things or else they jump to the lesbophobe's/cheater's defense by saying >>254264 "lesbians behaving like incels. not even surprised" as their big feminist gotcha lol

No. 254355

>>254243
Because there are newfags/moids who intentionally try to start lesbian/bisexual infights. I don't care about goldstar shit and hate how it's brought up as a gotcha in every retarded infight. Literally a lesbian refusing to date someone because they've been dating men for years isn't lesbo/biphobia, it's a preference and lesbians probably know most of those girls will attempt to settle down with men later so wasting time on them is useless.
>>254303
You sound like one of those kiwifags who are upset lesbians won't date him to resort to calling them incels in a poor attempt to uno-reverse. Kek.

No. 254357

>>254350
elaborate?

No. 254360

>>254303
I'm a goldstar but I never judged let alone insulted non goldstars, yet I've faced some hostility when mentioning it. I think some people just have a weird inferiority complex towards goldstars, like we're supposed to never mention it or never feel some kind of pride in having figured ourselves out before having "tried men", or otherwise it means we're "putting down non goldstars".

No. 254363

>>254360
lmao i’m a gold star too and it’s not because I figured it out before men it’s because the few times men tried to be intimate with me I sperged out and left.

It was a literal “dad come get me I’m scared”

No. 254368

>>254363
Ayrt and same, it was a way to put it. It's just that some lesbians say they only figured it out after having had experiences with men.

No. 254380

>>254103
Has anyone ever gone on a date with these types? They're so present on online dating sites but I've never encountered anyone who has dated one for real

No. 254392

>>254380
No, because those types don't actually date women

No. 254404

>>254355
>be upset that women are called dick riders
>y-you're the moid!!! kiwifag!!

what the fuck is this schizophrenia?

No. 254411

>>254351
you know that acting like an incel has different meaning nowadays ie you act like a misogynist and calling women dicksuckers is exactly that. you are a misogynist.

but you know what since both of you >>254355 focus so much on the incel quip instead of what i actually said, that calling women dickriders and bisluts is indeed psycho (and dare i say it again, incelic) behavior, i kinda think that insult hit the target! hope you get dates soon(infighting)

No. 254413

>>254267
I know its bait but it hurts a lot to get left for a man, especially when a woman claims she was a lesbian.

No. 254418

>>254305
Except you are just like men for caring about the gender a woman leaves you for. Stop being gross and entitled. Bisexuals date both genders so who gives a shit? If she dumps you then it doesnt make her bisexuality any less valid. Some of you lescels are insane

No. 254419

>>254413
But anon isnt talking about a lesbian shes talking about a bisexual woman

No. 254420

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>>254275
No one wants you kek
I dont give a fuck if lesbians dont date bisexual women but if you date one and she leaves you for a man and you act as if it invalidates her bisexuality then youre just as gross as an entitled moid who rages. For people who whine about “MUH HOMOPHOBIA” so much you have no issue invalidating someones sexuality all the time and acting just as insufferable as straight people(infighting)

No. 254421

>>254272
And cope harder. Worry about the fact moids force you to date them lmfaoo lesbian now means “non woman liking non woman”. Worry about your own issues

No. 254422

>>254282
>>254277
A bisexual woman dumping you for a man isnt being cheated on kek
You truly cant read. All i said was it doesnt fucking matter if she dumps you for a woman or a man shes still bisexual and it doesnt make her attraction to women any less valid.

No. 254427

>>254422
Dear BPD-chan, the topic of discussion was a (possible) lesbian-identified bisexual woman cheating on her gf with her male friend. It's you who can't read.
You can also reply to multiple posts in the same post, you don't have to shit up the entire thread with your non-sequitur ramblings every time you browse it.

No. 254429

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Sorry to sperg but I'm so tired ladies, so fucking tired of the lack of decent (or actual) lesbians in my city, it's all either fucking troons (ffs even if you chopped your disgusting dick off hell no will I EVER want to sleep with a scrote at all, and no one is going to gaslight me into thinking this is acceptable, nasty ass incels) but the only other options is a specific type of butch lesbian I just can't stand (short/obese/dress and act like 13 year old boys and come with the same edgy "humor" and shit, like I went on a date with one but she didn't realize I'm just a pale af Arab and called some poor hijabi girl minding her business a sand ni**) like where can I find a cool, tall woman with nice arms who will let me eat her out and we can watch my awful turkish dramas and knafeh with?

No. 254440

>>254420
>>254411
>>254404
>>254422
Obsessed BPD-chans shitting up a thread that's not even theirs.
Stop crying about how leaving a woman for a man and cheating on her with a man is based in the same sentence you call any lesbian that rejects you incel. Kek.
Anon is right you really are cockbreaths because you simply can't keep cocks and men out of your mouth, everything has to be about them and you need to shit up threads about how it's so based normal that bi women will leave and cheat on lesbians with shitty men and that this totally doesn't mean lesbians can "invalidate" their true and honest homosexuality.

No. 254446

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88% of bisexuels are in a heterosexual relationship. It's then understandable for a gay person to not engage with bisexuals. Especially since with age, the social pressure to be with the opposite sex increases.

Before judging the fear of some lesbians, check the facts. Their fear is valid.

No. 254447

>>254440
It's a moid baiting once again. "You're just like genderbent incels!!111" is their go-to insult they love to throw around like confetti.

That said it's annoying when bis don't understand how hurtful it is to be left for a man, 90% of bisexuals are in a heterosexual relationship because so many have a lesbian bout in their 20's and then once their biological clock starts ticking or they leave college for regular work life with normies they swiftly marry the first Nigel they come across. So a lot of lesbians just don't see the point in wasting their time with them. Plus as someone who actually is dating a bisexual girl it's gross when she's gushing over sexy moids that I find hideous or tolerable at best.

No. 254448

>>254446
kek based for manifesting the source just as I mentioned the statistics t. >>254447

No. 254452

>>254440
>Obsessed BPD-chans shitting up a thread that's not even theirs.
Nta, but this is all happening because a lesbian anon decided to make things up and infight in the bisexual thread, and then the lesbian anon dragged it over here.

No. 254455

>>254452
Why do I feel like it's the same anon trolling both threads?

No. 254456

>>254455
Because it's a man and bi-tards fell for it and came here to screech. Kek. The same male poster has been shitting up this thread by creating retarded posts about how lesbians aren't normal because they have short hair and don't wear makeup or how non goldstars cant be lesbians even if they're raped.

No. 254458

>>254429
No advice to give but you sound cute nonnie. I hope you can find the cool, tall woman of your dreams soon!

No. 254486

>>254429
Come to Paris anon, I adore kadaif.

Now that I'm thinking about it. What's your typical first date anons and do you pay ? I like gallantry but not many women returned me the favor lol. Usually it's a beer in a seedy bar dressed in jeans. Which is sad. I think getting dressed and going to a nice place is so seductive.

No. 254519

>>254447
Is exactly that. Most of them don't think that homosexual relations exist before 25.

No. 254522

>>254452
a bislut was crying about how lesbians are mean to her for fucking a man willingly (which means she brought it up in the first place) and called goldstar lesbians psychos which another anon joined in with agreeing. so i asked why you bitches can't keep lesbians and goldstars out of your dicksucking mouths and you got triggered

No. 254523

>>254421
>Worry about the fact moids force you to date them lmfaoo
and you expect anyone to believe you're either not a moid or that fucking so many has done irreversible mental damage

No. 254526

>>254523
>you expect anyone to believe you're either not a moid or that fucking so many has done irreversible mental damage
Kek. I love you anon. That dumbass has been mocking lesbians the whole time but got so triggered when someone called her a dicksucker or whatever which is actually supposed to be a valid part of her sexuality.

No. 254527

>>254522
Keep twisting things, I guess.

No. 254530

>>254527
keep repeating this over and over because you're the actual one twisting things i guess

No. 254533

>>254527
Obsessed

No. 254572

>>254458
thank you queen, hope nothing but love and good arabic food for you
>>254486
very diff but I once dated a Native girl and she took me to her families potluck and it was so nice and fun for our second date after I paid for our first date. They kept on feeding me and I really loved the hospitality (also she had these amazing abs, like damn I miss her so much now)

No. 254662

i purposely moved seats today in class to sit next to a girl who smiled at me on Monday, what are u-haul rates these days?

No. 254682

>>254662
watch VaushV on YouTube

No. 254684

ALL WOMEN ARE LESBIANS. ESTROGEN IS THE KEY

No. 254695

>>254662
isnt this normal behavior lol

No. 254744

Have any nonnas here had issues with people befriending you to collect you? Like idk, being bothered by a reverse fag-hag, if that makes sense? I'm pretty sure a toxic friendship I just left had that going on and I didn't realize it until now. It pisses me off to think the other girl befriended me because having a lesbian friend might be seen as trendy.

No. 254797

>>254440
>>254447
>>254522

again, what schizophrenia is this.

once again i see the incel insults hit the target, hope you get dates soon you incelic misogynists and so on.
lescel meme is real sometimes, you can cry about lesbophobia but i am a lesbian myself and i actually do not date bisexual women myself either kek, i just can go on about it without throwing tantrums about it.
i can reject women without calling them cocksuckers and other unhinged INCEL LITE behavior, and i personally never even said anything about lesbians having to date bis, just that you don't need to insult women but you are so unhinged in your paranoia that just saying that mayhaps calling women dickriders is wrong it makes you lose your shit over it, which honestly is way more BPD-like behavior. the black and white thinking and all that, you know.

and funny thing that i have noticed during the years especially in online circles is that the most unhinged cockbreath insult throwing maniacs often turn out to be bisexuals themselves kekkkk

No. 254805

>>254797
> and funny thing that i have noticed during the years especially in online circles is that the most unhinged cockbreath insult throwing maniacs often turn out to be bisexuals themselves

literally this. i swear we were talking about it upthread but online it’s always the “lesbians” who are militant about their sexuality and misogynistic to bi women who turn out being bi. almost like they feel insecure in their identity and have something to prove lol

No. 254806

someone i’m mutuals with on twitter thought she was a lesbian for ages but then had a male sexual awakening and came out as bi. that’s cool and whatever but she had her awakening over ugly guys. like the main guy in hereditary who breaks his nose , and paul dano? i could understand realising you’re bi because of hot men but this i do not get.. unless these guys are actually hot and my gay ass can’t tell

No. 254812

>>254806
>unless these guys are actually hot and my gay ass can’t tell
Sorry to scooch itt, but no they are not

No. 254814

>>254797
If you really don't want to restart infighting, why did you write paragraphs worth of schizo rant? Why are you calling lesbians misogynistic men and incels just for disliking bisexuals talking over them? Back to the kiwifarms where you can lie about how lesbians are totally incels because you won't fuck them just after you cry about how lesbians don't accept you.

No. 254816

Who wan't to talk about something positive! What's your ideal traits in your current or future boo? Mine's toned bodies (for physical) and being funny and kind for the inner aspects

And since I am the same Arab anon from before who cried about my lacking of options of even just actual women to date, I guess this is something I have wondered about, but for those who aren't white or a minority in where they live (well double if we're including our sexuality) I know for example east asian gay guys are low on the gay dating totem pole, how do we feel as women the dating options are for us? I feel like sometimes I do get ignored and have been told to my face that, "will I be honour killed by my parents if I brought a woman home", which fucking rude first of all but I feel like that's been the question unasked with a lot of my dates both white and white washed

No. 254817

It'll be a lot healthier if people accept that consent does not require an explanation whatsoever and consent to being with a bisexual is the same. It is nobody's job to validate you or accept you as a partner. Hyper fixating on the insults or whatever is just a way to trap yourself in it. Nobody is entitled to the bodies of others and that includes not wanting a partner for any reason. If you feel insulted by the idea that gay people find hetero sex repellant, that is a you problem. It's a fundamental difference between bisexuals and "monosexuals", we aren't capable of being all that neutral towards sex couplings outside of our own. Many of us have traumas but also it's simply disgusting to us outside of that too. Some are less troubled by it, some more.

No. 254830

>>254814
>Why are you calling lesbians misogynistic men

that's your own insecurities speaking. i never called you a man, i called you incel like. i happen to be one of those people who thinks women can be misogynist too and i don't think women are good people by just the virtue of being women, and that women have some responsibility over their behavior. like i actually do think some bisexual women uphold lesbophobic things with their behavior like calling themselves lesbians while dating men

if you read that calling you a man that's your own damn problem and your own insecurities speaking. again and again, what i said was "calling women dickriders and cocksuckers is wrong and misogynist" and you throw a tantrum about it

No. 254832

>>254816
I like your energy anon. I wish I could say I'm super picky with personalities but for me I look for intense physical attraction first. If that's not there, I'm out. My attraction isn't for a narrow type so I just meet people and sometimes there is a magnetic draw, none of these women even look similar besides being slim and having nice skin. After the initial attraction I start to discern traits more and see if I can make a relationship work with her. Things I look for are an ability to function independently, ability to set boundaries and respect them, self confidence or at least an interest in self-care. Intellect and sense of humor are big too, I want there to be wit in our conversations. I look for tenderness less than I should. Sometimes I get stuck on a woman who is so cerebrally compatible but does not have the emotional bandwidth. Emotional connections are hard for me to forge due to fear as well, I hide myself sometimes. So a certain disarming force from my gf is a huge plus.

I was lucky enough to find someone who fits what I'm looking for and she has actually avoided dating for years so she could find someone she is truly invested in and impressed by. It's a little overwhelming to be told I'm exactly the kind of woman she has been looking for but it also makes me feel kinda proud.

No. 254841

>>254816
>I do get ignored and have been told to my face that, "will I be honour killed by my parents if I brought a woman home"
Damn this is one of my greatest fears if I ever get into dating. I'm not technically Arab (north african exmuslim, still live there), but I have always wondered how I'd be viewed by women who don't have a muslim background as I do. Especially since I don't plan on ever telling my parents that I'm gay. I can't imagine anything good coming out of that. I'm just gonna escape this country asap and hope that the distance and pretending to be a Spinster will be enough to keep them at bay. Did you ever have to deal with that? And for other anons, would my situation be a turn off to you?

No. 254848

>>254841
>Especially since I don't plan on ever telling my parents that I'm gay
Don't mean to be negative but I can imagine it'd be an issue for women who want a long term commitment. Having to pretend you're just a friend to your long term gf (or even wife) is hard and I don't think this "double life" would work for you either, they will find out at some point, unless you plan on cutting your family off.

No. 254852

>>254848
I really can't think of a better choice. I assumed it would be easier to hide since we'd be living in different continents. I know they'd never hunt me down if they did find out, they're lovely people who were victims of indoctrination. It's just that they're very old and frail and telling them that I'm gay is basically saying "Hey the daughter that you raised and love is going to suffer in hell for eternity". That would destroy them, I don't want to risk making them go through that. Cutting them off isn't much better either because I still love them very much despite everything. This issue has been on the back of my mind for years now, and it's only gotten worse as they age/get sick and need my help more. All I can do for now is prepare to leave and hope I figure it out once I'm more or less stable abroad

No. 254854

>>254852
NTA but it's extra hard to find someone in the west willing to live a double life like that, especially if you move to a city and not somewhere more rural. I personally would not date someone who needs to keep me a secret in any capacity. I want my partner to be fully out and able to include me in any reasonable activity like work parties or family functions. I'm an immigrant from a Muslim country, though grew up with a non-muslim family. It isn't your responsibility to coddle your parents but I get why you don't wanna come out to them anyway. Tough situation, you're totally right to just focus on relocating for now. Best of luck!

No. 254857

>>254832
Happy and proud for you also!

>>254841
I hope you focus on yourself and escape asap also! Check out Rainbow Railroad in Canada, they help LGBT people escape their own home countries, if you can write to them or similar organizations to help you? For me I was lucky in that while my mom is Christian but ironically more disappointed in me but thankfully she has come around, my dad who is Muslim didn't mind at all, but that's more for a sad family history, where his brother/my uncle who was gay was sadly killed for it back in the 90s.

But for me the situation wouldn't turn me off, I dated women who have had to hide it from their families, but they were low contact with them and I wouldn't want to ever pressure them into revealing themselves because I know how dangerous it can be but it would be frustrating (and was for me at times) I know to have to live your life hiding such a big part of it, sorry habibi nonna I don't have any solid advice really to give I guess but I hope your situation really does improve and you find love and acceptance wherever you end up!!

No. 254870

>>254830
lmao no several anons commented calling lesbians men, just as bad as men or simply categorising us as the same as men for caring about being cheated on and the only reason anyone called you dickriders and cocksuckers (which is supposed to be a valid part of your bisexuality anyway so what's with the shame?) is because bigen was busy calling lesbians who've never been with men psycho shit, nutters, moids and saying they harass women when clearly the opposite is true. now you're here with the "incel militant secretly bi" projection when it's actually bis who want lesbians to date them and flipped out because some of us said no

No. 254874

>>254870
This, tbh. Some bis are the real incels when they pull stuff and act like this towards lesbians. Also why do they even think dicksucker is an insult but also bring up how lesbians totally suck dick and are secretly bi? Kek.

No. 254875

>>254870
Stop lying. You call bisexual women whores, sluts, cocksuckers and made fun of their trauma they have bc of men but you think its wrong to say thats incel behavior? Your misogyny is disgusting.

No. 254876

>>254830
Based nonny. Unfortunately women here have no problems using incel words (like cocksuckers, talking about how women suck dick etc) just like moids but will get upset if you call them out on it. Just typical incel lite behavior

No. 254877

>>254874
No woman wants to be called a dicksucker its degrading and disgusting you misogynistic retard.

No. 254884

>>254877
You're ashamed of your own sexuality. Sucking dick is literally a part of your sexuality and it's not an insult because of that fact alone.
>>254875
Some bi women mocked lesbians who weren't "goldstar" because of abuse or wrong choices and tried to argue they must be bi too, since they fucked a man once. They also called lesbians psychos if they were goldstars. Anon called only those bi women cocksuckers, she didn't randomly attack everyone and even then, her calling them cocksukers isn't much different than bi women thinking most lesbians would fuck men because they themselves don't.

No. 254909

>>254884
>You're ashamed of your own sexuality. Sucking dick is literally a part of your sexuality and it's not an insult because of that fact alone.

idk anon, then by that logic a homophobic person call a lesbian a carpet eater or a gay man a cocksucker is just accurately describing their sexuality and you shouldn’t be offended. the point is i think many people don’t appreciate their sexuality being rendered in such crude terms and being used as an insult, no matter how accurate the term may be.

No. 254910

>>254841
my girlfriend is from east asia and from a very conservative christian family. she was straight up with me when we first started dating and said she can’t tell her family she’s gay. they wouldn’t understand and she’d likely be disowned. she actually broke down in tears to me like 4 months into our relationship because she didn’t think we would be able to get married and she didn’t want to disappoint me. now three years on she is planning to fully immigrate to my more liberal country where we will live together. not so sure about marriage yet - she said she’d feel weird if we got married and my entire family was at the wedding and she just had a few friends who knew she was gay, but i’m not too fussed.
really you should be honest straight away about this, especially if you think the woman you’re into is looking for a serious relationship, it’s just a waste of both of your time if you’re not. and don’t stay with anyone who says they’re okay with it but then pressures you into coming out

No. 254915

>>254870
>which is supposed to be a valid part of your bisexuality anyway

again with the schizophrenia. anyone who says calling women cocksuckers is wrong must be a bisexual evil witch bitch woman or whatever, you think lesbianism is some sort of political identity instead of a sexuality so you cannot accept that some lesbians like me disagree with you. you think lesbianism is some sort of political identity.

you are blaming me for shit i never said. all i said is that calling women dick riders is wrong and incel like, but because you think lesbianism is a personality or some sort of act you personally follow instead of just simple sexual attraction to women you cannot accept that some lesbians think differently from you! sorry polilezzie but it doesn't work like that

>>254884
plike here. polilezzie bullshit, if someone disagrees with you you cannot comprehent that they share a sexuality with you because you view sexuality as a personality and a political identity

No. 254916

>>254915
also, several anons said this and that, how the fuck am i responsible for what other anons say? well of course if you follow the idea of a mob that in a group you always must think the same then of course your thinking makes sense: i am not a singular person but a part of a group, and since my ideas aren't the same as yours i must be part of some "other group" like bisexuals in this case. you cannot see me as a individual because you are so much into the idea that belonging to some group of people means that everyone in that group must think the same. polilezzie shit.

No. 254917

Why is dicksucker or cockbreath even insulting to bisexuals? call me pussymouth all day, I am proud of it.

No. 254919

>>254917
oh now we're at the "i was just acting retarded" part of polilez bullshit.

i dunno you seem to think calling women dicksuckers is hurtful enough since you wanna use those words as insults towards other women, don't try to act as if you never thought you weren't trying to hurt others when you used those words. we live in a culture in which women are made feel dirty and disgusting about their own sexualities and reducing women into nothing but "dicksuckers" or "cockbreaths" is also centering those women around men, that they as persons are nothing but servants to males and their cocks.

and speaking of insults, rugmuncher was/is an insult that lesbians heard very often and lesbians were insulted for wanting to lick pussy but hey if being a lesbian is nothing but an online identity for you i guess you never ever had to hear those insults. like sure i "munch the rug" but still people who called me a rugmuncher used that word to insult me, to make me ashamed of my sexuality, to make me seem perverted etc no matter how that describes my real sexual behavior. they meant to insult and shame me, you meant to insult and shame others at least be honest enough like the homophobes who happily admit that they invent and use words like rugmuncher to insult others and don't try to act coy like "well how is calling women cockbreaths insulting anyone" fucking own it at least coward

No. 254920

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Everybody shut up and look at this

No. 254921

>>254920
That’s pretty cool

No. 254922

>>254919
Funny you're calling everybody in this thread a polilez when these screeds of yours are straight out of an Andrea Dworkin essay.

No. 254923

>>254922
never read her books but i guess you are familiar enough with her work to make conclusions kekkkkkkkk??

No. 254926

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>>254923
offtopic but andrea dworken never even been translated to my language now that i googled her smh should have been born 40 years earlier and i could have been a feminist scholar

ANYWAY let's talk about happy stuff i post granny dreams of life being together with your wife pictures

No. 254927

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No. 254928

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No. 254929

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No. 254930

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>>254929
i want this life so much

No. 254931

>>254930
one day this will be us anon

No. 254932

>>254926
>>254923
Excuse your ignorance, but as a lesbian it's pretty hard not to know what a feminist lesbian is and who their influences are.

Why? Because your types have invaded our community since the beginning of time to be the shining lights and anti-misogyny guard dogs for the poor minority of women who suck dick. Yes, straight and bi women tend to suck dick. Sorry that trigers your polilez spidey senses.

Keep writing essays about real lesbians being men lite or incels because lesbians are grossed out by their girlfriends lying about their sexuality and cheating, or because lesbians can beat lesbophobes at their own game by dishing out some deserved backlash, cheapshots or not.

We don't exist for you - or the victims of men that you're whiteknighting - to escape the evilness of men which you just ranted about here like a safe space. Lesbianism isn't your radical feminist haven where we have to accept being stepped on because a man was mean to you once and lesbians standing up against your bullshit reminds you of it. Get help.

No. 254933

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>>254930
i can post more of this artist if you want but if you don't like them sorry for the spam but this is like my granny dream to have a wife to have fun with as a granny

No. 254935

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>>254932
>Keep writing essays about real lesbians being men

never did, you are letting your own insecurities speak again. blahblalbhalblah we dont exict to you blaablaa paranoia shit just because i said that calling women cocksucker is wrong take your victim shit and shove it up your ass idiot

No. 254936

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No. 254937

>>254935
>Keep writing essays about real lesbians being men lite or incels because lesbians are grossed out by their girlfriends lying about their sexuality and cheating, or because lesbians can beat lesbophobes at their own game by dishing out some deserved backlash, cheapshots or not.
Try harder.

In the future, avoid butting into /lg/ conversations that you're not a part of, just to use single words from them as an excuse to spam unrelated tirades for days, and then pretend to act surprised when multiple people tell you you definitely don't understand what was happening and only sound deranged.

That way you won't be warned by a mod for infighting once again.

No. 254939

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>>254937
perhaps multiple people are idiotic and at least it is me who actually has dreams of growing old together with a woman i love! report me again for saying that calling women cocksuckers is wrong lmao polilezzie

No. 254940

>>254939
I have to give you credit for how dedicated you are to projecting.

>>254440
Why does every BPD chan on this board type exactly the same too? I always get a good laugh from the frenzied low caps stan twitter girlboss hysterics.

No. 254941

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>>254940
bpd obsession kinda screams like projection, once again, black and white thinking. you cannot accept that people who share your sexuality could have different opinions from you

and i at least tried to bring this thread into more positive place with my art posts but i guess it is in vain! anyway

No. 254942

File: 1649373664861.jpg (295.24 KB, 693x1000, melaughingat.jpg)

>>254941
be happy and become a granny with your wife like i said this is my dream life to be fat and old and wrinkly and happy

No. 254944

>>254941
When at least three different anons can see the BPD in you from miles away, it's time to take your fingers off the keyboard for a second. Just one second.

And your self-righteous feminist lectures against lesbians - for not coddling bisexuals being lesbophobic - rest on your own inability to accept lesbians have different opinions from you on these subjects, and cries of "but I'm defending women from misogyny by calling you incels" aren't your get out of jail free card for literally just defending lesbophobes from backlash.

You do not even understand what the conversation was because your personality disorder wasn't part of it before it started bombing the thread to shreds with buzzwords.

>and i at least tried to bring this thread into more positive place with my art posts but i guess it is in vain! anyway

You mean by continuing to spam? The past 20 shitposts are yours.

No. 254945

>>254944
me: "calling women cocksuckers is wrong"
you: AAGAHGUHAHGAHAH BPD BPD INSANE ALSSADHSDGDSAJ

look i don't give a shit what you mentally ill women think, i know i am right: insulting women is wrong, no matter what great cause you have behind those insults, i don't create all these conspiracy stories inside my head about you or anyone else. i just say: insulting women with terms like cockbreath is wrong, never questioned are you a woman, never came up with these conspiracy theories of you being a kiwiperson or something, or being a person from some other thread

i just judged your behavior in this thread, called a spade a spade, you throw a tantrum, put words in my mouth, form whatever enemy image of me about me inside of your head

because i said calling women cocksuckers isn't very nice

lol

No. 254946

File: 1649374566296.jpg (597.75 KB, 853x1200, juliste3toonattu-1.jpg)

anyway i came back to post more art

No. 254947

>>254919
>you meant to insult and shame others at least be honest enough like the homophobes who happily admit that they invent and use words like rugmuncher to insult others and don't try to act coy like "well how is calling women cockbreaths insulting anyone" fucking own it at least coward
"hOmOpHoBiA iS bAd sO wHy ArE yOu BeInG hEtErOpHoBiC hYpOcRiTeS?"

No. 254948

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No. 254949

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>>254948
art

>>254947
unhinged. lol?

No. 254951

uNhInGeD HeTeRoPhObEs EvErYwHeRe!

No. 254952

>>254947
like you are not actually responding to things i say but things you think i say? my esl of course makes my words unclear but my point wasn't anything about heterophobia?

weirdoes you are

No. 254953

PrOtEcT cOcKsUcKeRs FrOm RuGmUnChErS!

No. 254954

File: 1649374868619.jpg (302.6 KB, 859x1200, kuningattaret.jpg)

>>254951
unhinged? lol. you are not arguing with me but with some imaginary person?

No. 254956

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>>254953
this is legit weird behavior like i might have beenb funny funny womaning here before but you are WEIRD

No. 254960

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Both of you shut the fuck up.

No. 254962

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i'm screaming because of this thread i was trying to find work from this one lesbian artist from my country but instead i found this many years old article from this one person i know in real life in one of my country's biggest newspapers talking about how she is a lesbian who fell in love with a man?

okay i gotta admit i understand why people are so paranoid but oh my god lol never thought that she would be like that

but i try to bring more happy things so more art

No. 254963

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No. 254964

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No. 254965

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>>254964
"for hygienic reasons i will become a lesbian"

No. 254966

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No. 254967

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No. 254968

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No. 254970

>>254968
oh yeah did you know smoking was seen as a lesbian thing one point so in old movie smoking woman was a dog whisle for a lesbian

rökande kvinnor är lesbiska

No. 254971

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No. 254972

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No. 254973

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>>254949
love this art, anon. keep em coming

No. 254976

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No. 254979

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No. 254980

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>>254979
this artist made a lesbian comic but i don't know if it is in english?

No. 255053

Ily, artposting anons.

No. 255082

Gf left her facebook account logged in and i read her old messages with her ex and now i want to kys. I hate myself for invading her privacy and these messages make me want to vomit. Why am i so stupid

No. 255084

Fina bilder, nonnisar!

No. 255092

>>255082
I prescribe you eat pussy. You're gonna be okay.

No. 255192

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at what point do you consider age gaps to be problematic in a lesbian relationship? 5, 10, 15, 20+ years? do you think is the same as heterosexual relationships?

No. 255212

>>255192
It's not the same as het age gaps. If both parties are past their 20s it's not really problematic imo, but while in one's 20s it's important to avoid age gaps bigger than 3 years imo. I personally don't like the idea of dating someone other than my peers.

No. 255215

>>255192
Even though I know it happens, I don't think women generally can be as predatory as older men dating younger women. But for example someone in their late 30's dating a girl in her early 20's for example is sketchy in other ways, it makes me wonder if she has some emotional problems that cause her not to connect with people her own age, not that she's outright exploiting the younger girl like a man would. But stuff like someone in her mid 20's dating a woman in her early 30's isn't problematic at all to me. It depends a lot of the context and their age group, like once you reach your mid 40's there doesn't seem to be a limit to how much older your partner is.

No. 255280

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>>255192
I'm 18 but mostly attracted to women who are 45-80. I don't think age gaps are inherently bad if the younger person is over say 25, so right now (even though it's my fantasy) I'd side eye the shit out of a 50 yr old lez who wanted anything more than a one night stand. I can't wait to get older lol, women only get lovelier with age

No. 255307

>>255280
Are you saying you would date someone up to 80 years old?!? Not judging I just couldn't see myself
dating anyone as old as my mom or older than my grandma. I'm in my early 20s and would probably only date someone in their early 30s at most.

I saw a video with a large age gapped couple they were getting a lot of flack because they wanted to have a baby. People were more mad about them wanting to have a baby with their age gap than they were about them being a lesbian couple which is kinda funny, no one bats an eye when there is a big age gap hetero couple and the moid accidentally gets the younger girl pregnant, if there's nothing wrong with that what's the problem with this?

No. 255332

>>255307
Probably healthier than basic age gap hetero couple where moid gets the girl pregnant to trap her or has a weird fertile young girl fetish and only uses her for that. Ew.
>>255280
You and me both, anon. It's one of the reasons I'm not afraid of aging, I see older women as beautiful and every sign of aging only adds to women's beauty.

No. 255344

any nonnas from Portugal here, how's the gay scene over there?

No. 255352

>>255344
Not from Portugal but it would be funny to be a lesbian from Lisbon. It sounds right. Or from Lebanon, or Lesbos.

No. 255370

>>255352
kek, love it

No. 255371

>>255280
45-80 ?! Do you imagine having sex with a women this old ?

No. 255381

imagine growing old with the woman you love and being a couple of 80 years old in your house accompanied by your pets

No. 255398

All the boob talk in the other thread got me thinking… I'm not really into boobs that much? Is it strange to be attracted to women but not particularly interested in a defining female trait. Like they're nice but I have no particular preference for breast size or anything. Maybe because I have boobs and see them everyday and I don't view them sexually just something that's there kek. I'm more attracted to gruff feminine voices or nice arms than boobs tbh

No. 255405

>>255398
I like how big boobs look aesthetically in clothes but it's hard to be aroused be actual nude big boobs? I don't know I'm olga tier muscley with big boobs and prefer small petite women so it's probably why, they're just a lot easier to play with and it feels more intimate to play with small breasts

No. 255416

>>255398
It's not weird, everyone's interested in something different. I'm a leg person mainly but I'm also obsessed with my girlfriend's breasts now, especially her nipples. The nipples for some reason are incredibly cute to me. I'm not into prominent butts because I have one, it's just not appealing to me lol. Generally I like women that don't look similar to me, I think.

No. 255419

>>255381
nooo anon…i want this so badly. i want our hallway to be filled with pictures of stuff we did together, and to slow dance in our living room in candlelight
>mfw i just realised im describing Ellie and Carl from Up if they were lesbians
>>255398
when i was growing up i remember being like 'omg booba booba' and now i still appreciate them, it's just a little calmed down. i do think we get used to our own bodies. anyway i've become a thigh enjoyer but if i really like a girl everything she does is attractive and looks matter less

No. 255426

>>255416
Lucky you anon, I'm a sucker for cute little nips too, everyone just focuses on size so much but something is especially arousing when you play breasts that very aesthetically pleasing in ways other than just size

No. 255428

>>255405
I feel this way about nudity too, I took a bunch of art classes and I don't really view a fully nude body as inherently sexual or provocative like moids do, it's literally just the human form. I think it's hotter if someone is halfway in their clothes if that makes sense. I saw this female firefighter in the store the other day halfway in uniform doing casual shopping and thought that was extremely attractive to me.

>>255416
I wonder if we're attracted to traits we don't have, like I used to want darker skin so bad and now I find tan skin super attractive. I'm also kinda average height and like taller girls, but I'm not picky about heights either.

>>255419
Yes personality makes or breaks attraction for me, it doesn't matter if they are cute if they are annoying. But their appearance can grow on me if I like their energy. I still do hope whatever physical traits I have someone will enjoy and i will enjoy hers too

No. 255435

>>255428
I've seen so many lesbian couples around town and on insta where they literally look like twins both in style and appearance so I think some are really into twinning lol. For some reason the twinning ones are usually dye blondes with tan skin or brunette mullet enbies.

No. 255439

>>255398
I never cared much for big boobs until I met my current girlfriend, now I'm obsessed with hers, I find them so beautiful and sexy. but in general I don't go around noticing women's boobs

No. 255572

>>255398
I'm more into toned butts and bellies/soft abs. The things a toned tummy does to me…

No. 255576

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I have a faint memory of this being discussed before but do you nonnies think you can be butch with long hair? I usually identify as butch due to having masculine mannerisms, way of dressing and all the other things but I like keeping my hair at almost waist length. I don't feel long hair is necessarily "effeminate" because plenty of masculine men like to grow theirs out but very often the classification seems to be based on hair length (I'm also a bit of a metalhead so I'm biased). I used to date a girl who had short hair and despite dressing and acting super feminine she was read as a "butch", does having long hair but otherwise masculine vibe just automatically make you "just" a tomboy or a futch?

I'm probably just insecure but I often feel like the cute girls I meet are borderline disappointed that I sport long hair because they want a Male Light complete with an undercut and a pair of gigantic biceps.

No. 255577

>>255576
Who cares. Just be yourself and stop worrying about labeling your style. You will find a nice girl one day, do not worry.

No. 255579

Is it just me or does everyone in /clg/ sound like a retard. Same with Lchat but at least they make a little more sense

No. 255584

>>255576
For me yes the girl you posted is "butch".

No. 255587

File: 1649607565912.jpeg (194.86 KB, 1557x2000, image.jpeg)

>>255576
Butch to me doesn't mean short hair and cargo shorts, it can be more of someone's mannerisms or they way she talks. Long hair length isn't always associated with masc/femme energy just as an example Audrey Hepburn characteristically had short hair and I doubt anyone would call her butch for it.

No. 255588

>>255579
what is /clg/?

No. 255589

>>255588
cis lesbian general on 4chan

No. 255590

>>255576
The hair alone doesn't make or break it but like you said to outsiders it can often be the very first thing they see. I'd never look at a woman in a dress with a pixie cut and think 'ah yes butch' but I feel like some men might manage to. It's a combination of things that come together.

Maybe getting ot but butch mannerisms and body language like in that pic.. I'm butch leaning myself and I sometimes get second hand embarrasment from how ott some womens masc body language is. Idk why I get like that but I do. It's not like I don't have a bit of it going on myself but sometimes it reaches a level that feels too put on?

No. 255602

>>255579
Because there are no lesbians left in that thread, it's the people who couldn't get into the discord server aka trannies and that one crazy bisexual tripfag

No. 255624

>>255590
i don't see how that pic is OTT

No. 255640

>>255590
idk, i date butches almost exclusively and i think it's kind of cute. it's a social signifier like any other, so it makes sense that they want it to be immediately noticeable - even when they're obviously playing it up i think it's more endearing than cringy
i'm not trying to condescend or armchair psychoanalyze you or anything but it sounds a little like you're worried other women will see you the way you see them.

No. 255642

>>255587
Yeah it often just feels like butches are expected to cut their hair short as some sort of a lesbian coming of age ritual. Like you have to either have the very short fuckboy haircut or become a full blown femme, there's no in between. Maybe it's all in my head though.

No. 255760

>>255576
butches with like. buns or braids in sportswear are very attractive to me.

No. 255794

>>255590
I've noticed the performative thing too but I don't think it matters that much. Femmes also do performatively feminine things, it's just a matter of some people finding those things sexy or endearing. Don't get in your own head about labels and outside perception imo, if you think it's too much of a larp then just do less and act the way you find comfortable. I promise you it's fine.

No. 255846

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I'm fucking tired of people policing what lesbians can and can't do. Why are we always living in other people's heads rent free? The only people that should be concerned with what lesbians are doing are other lesbians. Fucking exhausting.
Picrel whenever a lesbian mentions doing anything at all to men, bis, hets, troons, and normie women.

No. 255853

>>255590
I agree. It's so forced sometimes.

No. 256331

When do you think spicy straights will stop fetishizing being gay? I want it to end so badly. Is it going to end when they make normies start to hate lesbian and gays again?

No. 256332

>>256331
It almost seems a bit like blackfishing or asianfishing sometimes. If it was possible to call them out about it maybe things would be a bit different

No. 256435

>>256331
I'm more pissed at people using "lesbian" and "bisexual" like they're interchangeable words. No Becky, you can't call yourself a lesbian when you're very loudly into men as well, because this enforces the false myth that lesbians will indeed "turn around for the right dick" like the homophobes like to say.

No. 256570

>>256331
God I hope it's soon. Normies already hate lesbians and gays kek so it's not like that will change

No. 256749

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Related to the discussion above but god, I need to vent. I fucking HATE it when obvious bihets butt in to the discussion about LGB rights to act like bigoted straights. You know the type, the one who says shit like "I agree that Pride is unnecessary, gay people have enough rights already" and "I'm bi and I don't mind homophobic jokes tee hee" or "I'm bi and I agree that LGB people are encouraging dangerous heterophobia". Sis you have been dating men exclusively for the past decade and you're engaged or married to a moid so keep your fucking mouth shut. You have never been subjected to legitimate homophobia and this """hate from the LGB community""" you get for being """bisexual""" is because you're a straight person completely unempathetic and oblivious to the struggles gay people face and thus unable to understand the nuance in making an ironic joke about straight people to demonstrate what gay people have to deal with on a daily basis. Not because you're """bisexual""" (or more often "pansexual") and mean lesbians and gays and other bis are bullying you for no reason at all. Fuck off.

No. 256780

>>256749

it’s always these types that never shut up about how gay they are. babe, you’ve exclusively dated men and “wanna hold hands with a pretty girl <3”. maybe kissed a girl when you were drunk. give it up!

No. 256879

How can you tell whether you are attracted to someone or you just really admire them?
i thought i just wanted to be this woman's friend but now i'm psychoanalyzing a text i sent her. i think i'm might be infatuated to her.
btw i'm not questioning, i know i'm lesbian.
>>256331
>Is it going to end when they make normies start to hate lesbian and gays again?
no, it's when the generation that calls themself queer to look quirky gets to the marrying and starting a family age. then it's not cool to be lesbian/gay anymore.

No. 256960

Guys can you review my list of names for lesbians?

>dick dodgers

>woman enjoyers
>vagitarians
>lesleys
>rug munchers
>ellens
>carpet cleaners
>lady gardeners
>french
>pearl divers
>sigma females

Which ones do you identify with the most? I like pearl diver for myself

No. 256963

>>256960
There's a lesbian bar nearish to me called Pearls.

I like >lebanese

No. 256967

>>256960
They all sound like slurs scrotes would say.

No. 256969

>>256960
>>woman enjoyers
This. But when I'm feeling frisky .. pussy faggot.

No. 256997

>>256969
Lmao the contrast between woman enjoyer and pussy faggot you’re like the jeckyl and hyde of lesbians
>>256967
Yes but the one positive about being in a minority group is that you are allowed to say more slurs, and that is epic
>>256963
>Lebanese
Added to the list and that gave me a kek

No. 257005

>>256879
It's pretty easy for me to tell because I very intensely want to touch a woman I'm interested in(don't believe in the split attraction model so for me romantic=sexual). I've not really experienced the "Do I want to be her or date her?" thing either though so maybe I'm an outlier on this front.

No. 257041

>>257005
Do I want to be her or date her sounds like a weird meme tbh

No. 257418

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very nice flier i saw. i love butches in denim

No. 257519

The urge to cheat on my girlfriend consumes me more and more. My desire for her is extinguished. It has been 2 months now since we had sex. I've already crossed the line in some way by flirting with a few girls.

She's my first love, our personalities match, my friends love her and her friends love me. I'm afraid to ruin it all. I'm afraid to regret it.

No. 257522

>>257519
Don't act like a moid, communicate with your gf and control yourself dumbass.

No. 257526

>>257519
Stop being disgusting and just end the relationship.

No. 257533

>>257418
What is a butch denim party and why am I not there

No. 257538

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In your experiences, which do you think is more prone to hookups, butches or femmes? I really want to just hookup with someone to get this out of my system, but I'm also at odds about my monogamous feelings, I don't want to be just an 'experience' for someone. I wish it could work out and turn into a relationship after that, but usually that's not how it pans out.

No. 257542

>>257519
Just be honest and end it, I'd be so depressed if my girlfriend talked about me like this.
>>256967
Idk anon I thought pearl divers and lady gardeners were cute lol

No. 257550

>>257519
let her go, she deserves better than you

No. 257553

Would a partner getting turned on too easily turn you off? I feel like so little sets me off these days and I'm embarrassed.

No. 257574

>>257553
personally I find it hot

No. 257580

>>257519
Why don't you talk to her and tell her you want to be intimate with her more often? Cheating won't fix your relationship issues and it'll only hurt her. I don't think you care about her anymore since you think you're entitled to cheating so maybe you should just end it.

No. 257587

>>257580
Because oddly, I’m the one not wanting to be intimate not her. And I don’t exactly know why.

All of you tell me Im disgusting and that I should dumb her but its been years we’re together. I love

No. 257588

>>257587
*I love her.

I wanted to know if there was any of you who went through a similar experience and how you dealt with it. Not judgement.

No. 257599

>>257588
we deal with it by not being pieces of shit
damn I feel bad for your girlfriend. just let her go, she deserves someone that wants to touch her, doesn't want to cheat and make excuses for it, someone better than you.
>no judgement
then stop being so shit

No. 257603

>>257587
if you really love her then you would let her go

No. 257606

>>257588
you're flirting with other girls behind your girlfriend's back and contemplating cheating on her, did you really expect not to get judgement? fuck outta here with the victim mentality, your girlfriend is the victim here. break up with her if you really love her because as other anons said, she deserves better than you and you're wasting her time

No. 257612

>>257606
I get the hostility, I'm definitely not the victim. But some qualified advices would be great. I can't be the only one to have gone through intimacy issues in her relationship, right?

No. 257613

>>257519
>>257587
Do the decent thing and break the news to her now before it escalates to you fully cheating. Being consumed with those thoughts isn't something you can work your way back from or salvage esp as you're flirting already. Be mindful of how it would feel to be on her side of things, kept in the dark about this, your time wasted. Even that is insulting. There's a reason why you're being judged, it's because she's in a worse position than you right now, you're in a position to either really hurt her or be better than that.

It always sucks to end a relationship (first love in particular) but being cheated on goes on to affect that other person for years into their future. Leaves them with trust issues and sometimes image and self esteem issues that affect their future relationships too. It's kinder to end it now because wasting her time or letting it escalate is legit a really shitty thing to do to someone. This is bigger than just you and her. This is you contemplating damaging someone in a way that will stick with them. And you've already crossed lines. Like listen to the judgement because you need to hear it.

No. 257614

>>257612
Talk it out with her. Try to find the reason why you're uncomfortable, if it's because of a trauma or something then maybe get therapy? If you randomly lost sexual interest you're either no longer interested in her or have some other mental block. Your girlfriend is probably wondering why you're not being romantic with her anymore while you're trying to look for excuses to cheat on her and even hoping anons here would validate your desires to cheat. This is such a moid thing and that's why you're getting judged.

No. 257617

>>257612
Qualified advice? 1. Keep your legs closed with women that aren't your gf 2. Think of the problem, why aren't you intimate with her? Did something happen? Do you just not find her attractive anymore? 3. Sort this shit out with her like adults

No. 257635

>>257612
>qualified advise
stop acting like a scrote and break up with her
you already hurt her by not being intimate with her and not communicating, she probably already has some issues because of it you moid

No. 257652

Thank you for your answers. Before breaking up I'm going to question myself then discuss with my girlfriend as some of you advised. Because apart from this everything is fine, we have a good laugh, plans for the future and we still have romantic moments. So I can't just leave her.

No. 257658

>>257652
You said you've 'crossed the line' with others already so just make sure to be totally honest with her about that fact. You owe her that honesty but be prepared that she may be the one leaving you.

No. 257659

>>257652
>aside from me wanting to cheat and not touching her at all everything is fine!1!1!1
kek

No. 257661

>>257659
We're still touchy-feely, we just don't make love.

No. 257663

>>257659
Kek. Tragic.

No. 257665

>>257652
I do hope you sort it out, but written like this it sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. You may have plans with her, but you've been talking of how you've been flirting with other women and planning to cheat. You can't have both. If my girlfriend had this kind of thoughts about our relationship, I would prefer her being honest about it and breaking up rather than being blissfully unaware and living in a lie for the sake of future plans. So consider this, you should mention what you said here including the flirting with other women, then she will decide what she wants to do. As the other anon said, you owe her that honesty.

No. 257691

>>257587
So, love fades sometimes, if you think you found your good match be proactive. Try to take a break from each other whilst being entirely celibate for a good period of time, saving up your energy. Maybe get some time together to hike, or do something that gives both of you an adrenaline rush- because for some reason doing scary things can make things steamy too.

No. 257768

I was walking down the street with my gf, holding hands today. Some scrote yells "I'll fuck you and your bitch at the same time" at us. I was fucking livid and told him to kill himself as we walked away but we also wondered which one of us is the other's bitch. Weird day.

No. 257852

I really want kids someday with my gf but my country doesn't even allow women to use ivf or adopt unless they have a husband. I fucking hate it here

No. 257859

>>257768
>but we also wondered which one of us is the other's bitch.
kek. is it you?

No. 257869

>>257538
I feel like hookup culture doesn't really exist with lesbians and it's sad. I'm legitimately horny a lot of the times but I don't have the time for a relationship right now so I'm afraid of being u-hauled if I even make out with someone because that has happened in the past, even if I've made clear that I don't want a relationship. The one thing I'm envious of gay men is that they get to have a ton of sex with no strings attached.

No. 257883

>>257869
I live in an European country and have the opposite experience, I want a gf but I mostly meet fuckboys (fuckgirls?) and women that always turn out to have broken up recently and are only stringing people along for attention. Quite sad, innit

No. 257900

>>257869
I can't imagine being jealous of gay men and their std-infested asses but you do you anon
your best bet for casual sex tho is probably lesbians that are in open relationships, I see them all the time on dating apps

No. 257904

>>257859
We both agreed she's the bitch, actually. She says she likes being my bitch.

No. 257926

I confess: I love cavewomen.
Not real cavewomen. I mean Eep from The Croods was kind of a baddie but I digress
There’s this really tall and awkward girl from my old workplace. Romanian, doesn’t speak so much English. We’re the youngest there, most people our age wouldn’t work like this. And she’s so. Bloody. Awkward. Can’t make normal eye contact, can’t sit in a chair on lunchbreak without stretching her long legs in every direction. But she’s so comfortable with her gangly awkwardness, she reminds me of a cavewoman. She’s awkwardly taking up space and it reminds me of a cavewoman in a city for the first time. I can’t explain the appeal, but I became rather infatuated from afar, or close, as we sat opposite each other and she didn’t know how much eye contact was appropriate so she just stared straight at me like it was normal, no fear, but without vitriol. I think I adore awkward women. Especially when they own it so fearlessly. Gosh I want her to throw me ooga booga
Sorry in advance if this confession was bizarre and offensive.

>>257904
spicy

No. 257931

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>>257926
I get you
Ungaaa bungaaaa

No. 257936

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>>257931
my body is ready

No. 258004

>>257926
Nonny, she just sounds autistic. She probably has no idea she's coming off like a 'cavewoman', I can guarantee you that would be hurtful to hear. Like as a fellow autist I also love awkward women but come on, what is this lmao.

No. 258025

>>257926
>>258004
Nonnas maybe I'm desperate and isolated, but I honestly prefer if someone loved me for being a 'cavewoman', over thinking I'm a weird uncaring bitch for being a sperg.

No. 258033

>>258025
I guess I'm desperate and isolated too nonna. Weird girl appreciation is nice to see, even if it is kinda insulting.

No. 258143

Lately I’ve been seeing the opinion in online lesbian spaces that non-goldstars aren’t real lesbians. I only heard of this from bihets who complain of how evil and dickphobic lesbians can be but now on tumblr I see it a lot.

No. 258181

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No. 258232

>>258143
Enough. Shut the fuck up. Read the thread already.

Anyway what kinda flowers should I buy for my gf this weekend? It's out first spring together so I wanna be sweet.

No. 258242

>>258232
A big beautiful mix with lots of texture and a warm color scheme, I'm thinking white, orange, yellow, pink. Sunflowers, dahlias, daisies, wildflowers, carnations, sprigs of lavender, maybe black eyed Susans.

No. 258270

I was dating this non-binary girl (stupid, I know, but she was very beautiful) and then she ghosted me for no apparent reason. A few days later, I saw her wearing a pin of that green version of the lesbian flag that "gay" TIFs came up with. I'm so confused. I hope she isn't actually straight. I hate accidentally dating straight women. She looks completely female and dresses like a normal girl, so it is kind of funny and awfully sad to imagine that she considers herself a gay man.

No. 258271

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I'm going to suggest to my gf that we make lovers eye jewelry! I think it's so lovely and personalized and romantic, plus we can have a day where we make them together. I love her so much anons

No. 258273

>>258270
not the toothpaste pride flag.. i’m so sorry nonnie

No. 258274

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>>258271
That's a lovely idea! I've always wanted to do the same thing.

No. 258277

>>258273
Kek, that's a perfect name, it does look like toothpaste!

No. 258284

>>258271
That's so romantic, I'm sure she'll treasure the experience and the art nona

No. 258316

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A lesbian march is taking place in Paris today. Guess who was chosen to represent it? A Muslim and a man.

Everything is fine ! Crazy how we're going backward.

No. 258317

>>258316
What a joke.
How many out and proud hijabi lesbian muslims are there btw? Considering the entire religion is based on not saying no to men.

No. 258318

>>258316
>>258317
I seriously want to cry rn, they hate us

No. 258319

I'm getting lots of notifications of likes on HER, but you can't see the entire list anymore like before. Is that some sort of tranny defense mechanism? Also thoughts on dating while (chronically?) ill? I had a healthscare where I thought I was going to die, maybe still the case, still going through testing. If it's chronic I wonder if it would be fair to put a partner through that. If it's acute and I'm fucked, then I honestly don't want to die without ever having sex again, but I don't think it's fair to put another woman through that. Even if it's a one night stand, I can imagine it's still fucked up if your temporary bed partner dies not super long after. Unless they are a tourist I guess and have no way of finding out.

No. 258323

>>258316
Fucking hell I thought things weren't too bad in France yet but it seems I was dead wrong. This is depressing. Is there even one place in the world that isn't hostile towards us?

No. 258333

>>258316
This is ironic because hijabis are literally not allowed to wear hijab in france. There are muslim girls who can be lesbians, because msot people don't really change their religion but hijabis? Definitely not. It's almost like a mockery, not allowing Muslims to dress in the traditional way anf then only using a hijabi as a lesbian caricature, which most Muslims would be infuriated over. This feels like a move to enrage minorities more than anything.

No. 258334

>>258333
Eh, you can wear hijab in France. Only burqa and niqab are illegal.

No. 258336

>>258334
Sorry for the wrong info. It's still weird they picked a troon to enrage lesbians and a Muslim woman to do the same to brown people, though. Sure there are "muslim" lesbians as there are lesbians of any religion even though all ban same sex relationships but none are religious.

No. 258525

I swear this isn’t an incel larp troll post but does anyone else feel kind of inferior to men? I’ve had three girlfriends before and one of them left for a guy and the other broke up with me because she “felt like she wasn’t in a mental place where she can date anyone” and then started dating a man not even two weeks after. I know it sounds like I’m maybe a little damaged and bitter from previous experience but how many of us has had this happen to them before? I bet quite a lot. And it’s not even like I have to say anything here about how lesbian identity seems to be disappearing because everyone would rather date men or become one.
Not to sound all r9k but I wonder if it’s because I’m too soft or something. Groomed by male dominated culture or not, it seems like women tend to crave roughness and I’m just super full of estrogen. Maybe if I hooked up with girls without getting close to them I’d care less but it’s just not very me, it seems like a scroteish kind of attitude. Sage for retarded.

No. 258528

>>258525
Nonna, I think you've really just had terrible luck. I absolutely can't stand men, not their smell, or their voices, let alone the way they look (or act kek.) I'm not really into femmes either, I just can't stand men and want absolutely nothing to do with them, I don't talk to them and I don't go into their spaces.

I'm with a longterm gf and she feels the exact same way and has since she was very young. Please believe me when I say you've just had very bad luck with women. Rough women or soft women, I would prefer ANY woman over a scrote and I think any lesbian would tell you the same.

No. 258554

>>258525
I kind of think this is a view every woman has had in teenage years/ early 20s. And then as you slowly learn to love, trust and be proud of yourself that societal pressure to look up to men and think they're always "right" goes away. Reading pink pill etc also can help not feel below men.

And some lesbians (especially young ones) like to really adhere to the butch/femme (top/bottom)dynamic. So you might feel you have to put yourself in these boxes or else. Not all lesbians are like that and would like you however you are as long as you are the genuine you.

No. 258567

>>258525
I can sort of relate. I made the mistake of sleeping with several straight bicurious women in the past and they of course all went back to men. I've only had one real girlfriend who didn't go back to men and actually turned out to be a lesbian too. Of course you're never going to be good enough for a straight woman or a Kinsey 1-2 bisexual. Even a hook up hurts when they go back to men afterwards and I started to question myself, wondering if I did anything against their consent, since they weren't really into women apparently. Other times I stopped an encounter before it even got that far, because I noticed that she's probably just straight and wanting to ~experiment~. Right after that one of my best friends decided to transition and tried to encourage me to transition too, which caused me to cut contact. Now I'm mainly angry that scrotes have it so easy and they still fuck it up. Women put them on a pedestal and will go above and beyond for them, but even washing their own ass and doing nice things for women is too much to ask. They can't give women orgasms, but it doesn't matter, even when they don't know how to use their equipment and think oral is icky, most women just prefer them anyway. Even most bisexual women do, because they're brainwashed through female socialization and there's less societal backlash when dating men. My ex is the only other lesbian I have ever met irl and I still have difficulty believing other lesbians exist due to the isolation. Going to events doesn't help much either, because you just find AGP's, straight Aidens and 'asexuals' who love talking about BDSM for some reason. What helped me were books like the Well of Loneliness, because it helps to know this is a tale as old as time and it's not just me. It doesn't change that I'm practically a (partially voluntary) femcel, but it's something.

No. 258569

>>258525
Absolutely, I've definitely developed a fear of dating over it. It sucks to put yourself in a vulnerable position being emotionally involved with a woman when there's a chance she dumps me immediately for a Nigel. I don't have anything against dating bisexuals per se but with them you know there's a 90% chance of them treating you as a temporary solution until they find a moid to marry. I'm still haunted by the girl who said "If you were a man I'd date you" to my face years ago and it triggered my then tranny period.

>Groomed by male dominated culture or not, it seems like women tend to crave roughness and I’m just super full of estrogen.

No, I think they do sincerely want to date you and other women but it's made too hard to stay in a same-sex relationship when thinking about the logistics of having children and dealing with homophobia around you. Some of the women pick the worst fucking low value males ever just because they want to be accepted in society's eyes.

No. 258589

Sorry for asking but is there still a discord? If it has verifications I would love to get an invite link.

No. 258592

>>258525
The first girl I was ever in love with left me for a man and it fucking hurt. I'm dating a bi girl now who had never dated a woman before and she tells me a lot how she feels so lucky that I validate her emotions, put effort into doing special things for her, dress up when we go out together, I give her lots of compliments, and all these things she never had boyfriends do for her and it makes me really happy. There are women out there who appreciate all the great things that come with dating another woman, don't worry.

No. 258607

>>258589
discord is for peasants, queens use the bathroom wall.
>>258592
she sounds like a very lucky lady

No. 258618

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>>258525
>does anyone else feel kind of inferior to men?
No, never.

No. 258817

>>258618
Based. We are superior.

No. 258836

tonight i randomly remembered the time when my girlfriend and i went to a gay club together, were acting all coupley together and a random lesbian at the club thought i was a straight woman and told me this much. and i was like “no i’m gay this is my girlfriend” and she was completely shocked and did not believe me. i guess looking straight ensures me safety and whatnot but it’s annoying when other lesbians don’t even believe you

No. 258857

>>258836
she was trying to make you feel bad on purpose there's no reason to approach a woman just to call her straight kek

No. 258878

>>258836
Maybe she was trying to get at your woman. "Looking gay" isn't even a thing anymore due to larping "queers", I never assume anyone is gay at this point.

No. 258987

>>258525
I don't think men are superior. However I always wanted to be a guy. I remember being 5 and wearing suits in my room imagining I was a gentleman. 20 years later I still daydream about being a man.

But I know I will never be a man. So I prefer to look feminine.

No. 259067

>>258987
oh god, you are me

No. 259104

i really hope i don’t get labelled a fag hag for this but does anyone else feel like this site is getting progressively more homophobic? i don’t harbor any misconceptions about gay men but it’s just annoying when women on here act like gay and bi men are more degenerate than straight men. moids are moids but to single out gay men for the exact same shit that straight men do and act like it’s worse is dumb. especially when straight men are the majority of men and by that metric inflict way more harm onto women than gay men. or maybe anons on here view harm done to men/boys as being somehow worse than harm done to women. idk but it’s concerning. especially as i feel like lesbians get viewed as being “on thin ice” just by association.

No. 259109

>>259104
Yes, and it has the stench of black and white teenage polilez bullshit. I don't have the need to cape for gay men but I don't have the need to really hate them either because I've sometimes found more solidarity with them than with straight women for example. Sure there are catty misogynistic gay men but just as much there are plenty of lesbians who aggressively cape for AGPs and LChat staceys who have a solid hate boner for any GNC woman. To me straight/bi men are the worst option but putting gay men in the same category is being dishonest in my eyes. Despite everything they don't have the same incentive to abuse and oppress women as female-attracted men do.

>especially as i feel like lesbians get viewed as being “on thin ice” just by association.

Ditto. It's obvious that those anons have it out for lesbians as well and consistently try to throw sly spergfits about them, but instead of claiming them as pedo degenerates they always try to force that "why are mean goldstars always bullying me, a bihet" infight even in this thread or bitch about "ugly manlike yaoibrained pornsick TIFs" when talking about tragic butches who were pressured into transitioning. Not to mention how they clearly hate troons for their association with homosexuality, not because they're psychos appropriating LGB and female spaces.

To be perfectly honest it's why I've lost more and more interest on this site. It's exhausting when the topic seems to come up more and more and you know no matter how nonchalant they try to be about it you know there's unironic homophobia hidden behind it.

No. 259110

>>259108
right and i don’t trust these straight women who claim to totally support lesbians meanwhile they’re spouting homophobic vitriol towards gay men. and the lesbians and bi women who back them up on this i pity. i think it just sucks because i will always feel a kinship and solidarity with all women including straight women but i feel like they can never really “get” homophobia. meanwhile gay men tend to understand homophobia better but don’t understand misogyny and how that intersects with homophobia. meanwhile irl the only other lesbian i know is my girlfriend so i feel like there’s no one else to bond with on this

off topic but i was recently chatting with my best friend who is a straight woman because her younger sister has come out as bi and non-binary and i was trying to explain the appeal of gender nonsense to non-straight women, especially younger girls and my friend just couldn’t get it? i was trying to explain how lesbians and bi women can feel alienated from other women and get pushed away because of the whole predatory lesbian thing but my friend just didn’t get it. she’s a big lgbt ally but i guess there’s some things she doesn’t get, just like i don’t really understand her being straight.

No. 259111

>>259104
I've had very bad experiences with "queer" and especially bisexual men and I'll of course speak up about it here because I can't talk about it anywhere else. Gay men are always seen as perfect angels too, even though they're the reason Aids epidemic killing millions like how bisexual men are largely responsible for stds getting transmitted to bisexual or straight women.

No. 259119

i need some advice. i feel like i’ve fucked up but i don’t know how to go from here. so essentially my girlfriend and i were together for one year in the same place and then due to covid were long distance for two years. in 3 days time i’m moving to her city so we can be together which is of course the perfect time for things to go to shit. we were chatting tonight about possibly getting engaged which is something we’ve discussed before. she asked if i had mentioned anything to my parents yet and i told her no. my reasoning for this is we haven’t even been in a proper physical relationship in 2 years and my parents are quite homophobic. they’ve come around a bit but i told her i would rather wait until we’re living together and settled and my girlfriend has more opportunities to come around and meet my parents and get to know them better. also out of all my cousins and siblings who live in my country, none of us have gotten married yet so i would be the first. it feels daunting.

she stayed with my family once towards the end of the first year of our relationship but i feel like they didn’t get to know her that well. i brought up to my girlfriend tonight that back then my parents had doubts about us as a couple because my girlfriend is not out to her family and can’t be. they are extremely conservative and from an east asian country which isn’t exactly the most progressive of places. and my girlfriend fears being disowned if she does come out which is why she’s planning on building up a stable career and life in another country before telling her mother but she’s also said she’s worried the shock could kill her mother and she’s not being hyperbolic here. now i didn’t explain all of this to my parents but they were a bit concerned because obviously they had envisioned for me a future of getting married to a guy and meeting his family and what not and the idea that me being a lesbian means the likelihood of homophobia preventing that is something they would have never expected for me and my future. also i just get the sense they don’t approve of her as a partner for me.

i thought this was fine but my girlfriend texted me a few hours later basically saying this comment specifically hurt her deeply. she said she could tell she wasn’t welcome when she came to visit and now she knows why. she said she understood why i didn’t tell her at the time to protect her feelings but she would have preferred i told her. now she’s saying that she’s too busy to talk to me and she’ll pick me up from the airport when i land so we can discuss this more but she doesn’t want to talk to me until then. i can’t help but feel like this is extremely childish of her. maybe i should have told her all the way back then that my parents didn’t approve of her but i didn’t because ultimately i don’t want my parents approval and i didn’t want her to feel like she needed to gain it. also i was 19 at the time and it was my first relationship. for the record my girlfriend is 3 1/2 years older than me and has had other relationships before. i don’t want this to be an excuse for my behaviour but i literally came out to my parents and extended family including my grandma for her. it put me in a situation where i felt emotionally vulnerable and subject to all sorts of annoying comments from my family about how they think it’s a phase they need to wait out and how i’m actually bisexual and will eventually get married to a man. it’s something she hasn’t had to endure because she’s not out to her family. idk. i would never pressure her to come out and have been very understanding if there’s times she can’t call or can’t see me because she has to do something with her family but it feels like she’s punishing me for my family not being accepting enough. even though we’re literally both experiencing homophobia.

anyway i don’t know what to do. she says she doesn’t want me to apologise to her but i feel like that’s the only thing i can say. also this happened 2 years ago and i can’t change the past

also my girlfriend was always pretty adamant that she didn’t want to get married and i kind of changed her mind on it but i also said tonight that as i’m only 22 it feels a bit early to get engaged and now she’s getting pissy and upset with me because i’m showing some reticence towards getting married, which is something she’s not too keen on anyway.

i feel like i should give her space and try to manage my emotions but i can’t already tell i’m going to be a wreck when i get off that plane.

No. 259121

>>259119
also i forgot to mention but she told me if she knew my parents didn’t approve of her she wouldn’t have stayed with my family in the first place. i could tell that talking to me was making her annoyed so i didn’t press this but i think if she hadn’t have met them it would have completely soured their opinion of her possibly beyond repair.

i just don’t know if telling her that what she’s experiencing now is what i’ve experienced since we first started dating. i know and have come to peace with the fact that her family will never approve of me as a partner to their daughter and i’ve extended her that grace but it’s like she can’t do the same for my family.

i don’t know. i guess i will give her space and try not to be too much of a nervous wreck

No. 259128

>>259109
>"why are mean goldstars always bullying me, a bihet"
rent free

No. 259136

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>>259119
I'm not sure what's the "fuck up" here, but I see you're feeling bad about your situation and it's very hard for you. I feel like I'm getting two storylines here.
First one is that your gf is hurt that you haven't told your family about you two moving together, and that you didn't tell her about the hurtful comments your family has made about her. When it comes to the family comment, I think all you can do is say sorry and maybe reflect on why you feel responsible for managing others' feelings (I assume you didn't tell her to spare her from feeling bad). (I realize you said she doesn't want you to apologize - it's not unreasonable to ask her what other action you could take for her to feel heard, understood and feel better). I think this moment is not the time for you to defend your decisions. Yes, you may have perfectly rational explanations which you feel should make her understand - and they could make her understand, but what they won't do is undo her being hurt. Just be there for her and validate her feelings (it's ok she feels one way - and it's also ok you feel differently), and try not to take it personally. It doesn't (or shouldn't) mean that she thinks you're a bad person or a bad girlfriend. However, I hear that she set a boundary with you: she doesn't want to talk to you until you see each other in person. This sounds like a boundary that is hard for you to accept, and honestly, you should be open with her how that makes you feel, without being accusatory, and what would you prefer. Maybe not talk about the conflict yet, but still be in contact?

The second storyline are your grievances with your girlfriend. I'm hearing that you sacrificed a lot for her by coming out, and that you're disappointed her family is not accepting of you. These are very valid feelings and are very much worth discussing, but maybe at a different time, when you two aren't both in high arousal state, maybe even trying to "one up" the other in terms of being hurt. When people argue, I think it's important to keep in mind a singular issue, otherwise the argument gets confusing and messy easily.


Basically what I'm trying to say is: most conflicts are not about the specific things that happened but more about the feelings and thoughts that they trigger. When it comes to conflict, I like to try and use non-violent communication skills. It can be hard sometimes but also so rewarding, especially in a relationship (both person must be willing to try to use these skills though, and not fall into fallacies).
I believe you two can get past this situation, and that you can stay true to yourself while listening to the other person. Best of luck, anon.

No. 259142

why must we talk about guys on a lesbian thread lmao… no hope

No. 259144

>>259136
thank you for this well worded response. i couldn’t sleep without getting this somewhat sorted so i sent her a message and then we had a chat about this. we’ve dated for long enough that i know she likes to do this when she’s mad - go radio silent until she feels better. that’s really hard for me to do so i’m glad she went against her own preferences to talk to me.

i do realise that a lot of what i initially posted about was me making excuses and venting so i really tried hard to listen to what she wanted to say.

as it turns out she was planning on proposing to me as soon as i arrived in her city and my more flippant comments made her think i wasn’t committed to her or something. in hindsight it seems so obvious but i honestly am still in disbelief that she loves me that much. i think it was this insecurity in myself that made me reject even hoping we’d take the next step in our relationship.

anyway i’ll spare you the details but we talked for a while and got things straightened out (lol) so to speak and i think we’re better now. it’s now nearly 4am and i think i can sleep soundly.

No. 259160

>>259142
Why do we try to shut up other lesbians whenever their posts include mention of how other gays can feed into a negative view of gays in general and come back to hurt us too. Health, stigmas, social overlaps. Things that we are affected by. That's usually still relevant to the thread tbh. Being a lesbian doesn't mean pretending that men don't exist.

There's a difference between say bicurious anons shitting up the thread with 'omg I think I like a man all of a sudden, lets discuss' and what you're so upset by here. I mean anons often act like this is the relationship advice thread (which it's not) but nobody complains, we're chill.. no nitpicking.. General talk about gay community stuff though is considered a no go? How does that make sense?

No. 259169

>>259104
>>259109
Yep and yep. It's been happening for a little while now, which is really fucking annoying, and there's been a weird conservative bend happening at the same time. The two don't have to be related, but both viewpoints embolden the other to appear. So we get people shitting on gay moids and ftms for the completely wrong reasons under the guise of 'based troon/manhate.'

I only keep tabs on a few threads here anymore, because the blatant baiting/astroturfing that gets genuine responses and support is lame as hell.

No. 259176

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Now that we've established that Sam and Cat were a lesbian couple, which of the pair do you see yourself as in a relationship?

No. 259236

>>259111
speak your truth, nona! moids are moids.

No. 259273

>>259160
Yeah, men make up 50% of the world population and a lot of us have to deal with them on a daily basis and seeing how the lesbian experience of an interaction with a man is very different from a straight woman's it's appropriate to talk about it. I can't talk to my straight Nigeltending female friends about how I see men and their presence and have them understand me. Even my girlfriend is bi so she doesn't fully "get" me.

>>259169
I wonder why it's happening tbh, sometimes it sounds like a purebred scrote or an edgy cool girl and sometimes it sounds like those domineering twitter sapphics who pretend to love women while crying into their pillow for never being able to marry Jungkook. Either way I don't trust them at all when they say they're "okay with lesbians", especially how often their masks slip off.

No. 259309

>>259110
I once tried explaining the predatory lesbian issue to my friends who were lesbian, straight and bisexual respectively and only the lesbian understood what I meant. The straight and bisexual women didn't get it at all, they sincerely assumed that women could just compliment and touch each other all they wanted and never be considered rapey because that's the reality for them, not for lesbians. They didn't have to deal with being considered a rapist for existing in the same locker room growing up.

The same goes for the appeal of trooning out for GNC homosexuals, only gay people seem to fully understand the mechanics behind it. While I will always unconditionally defend women's rights and feel physically safer with a woman than a man, I still don't fully trust straight women when it comes to LGB issues. The people I see caping for trannies the most are heterosexuals, both men and women, because they don't have to deal with the full consequences.

No. 259383

I'm probably going to be flamed for asking this but is it weird to be embarrassed by not being able to fit into the same clothes as my gf? I always hear lesbians bragging about having twice the wardrobe of straight girls and whatever but I was born cursed with a flat chest and I'm like 10cm taller than her so we just can't wear the same things.

No. 259469

Anyone struggle with what you're attracted to vs what traits you want for yourself? It's stupid because I know you don't have to have a different dynamic for a relationship but I find the differences kinda cute. Like I find muscles and tomboy aesthetic hot but I am also into working out so would it be weird to find a gf like this as well?

>>259383
You don't have fit in all her clothes nonie, if you want you two could share a couple of pieces like oversized jackets or jewelry.

No. 259478

>>259469
>Like I find muscles and tomboy aesthetic hot but I am also into working out so would it be weird to find a gf like this as well?
Why would that be weird? I know that the opposite aesthetics thing is trendy and cute, but it's normal to think having some things in common is attractive. You don't have to be complete opposites, that would actually be weirder. You could workout together! Why would that be a bad thing?

No. 259485

>>259478
It wouldn't be, I just think it would be nice to admire something I don't have (or vice versa) Kinda like height differences, I don't care too much about it but it would be cute to be held by someone taller than me and she liked me for being shorter if that makes sense

No. 259523

Gals i had my first time recently and kinda feel stupid and in need of advice
So like i scratched my partner's insides to blood
she said that she didn't mind and she prefers when it hurts a little bit but uh well
I kinda do mind and it does bother me…
Do condoms help or they get torn by nails easily? Or idk maybe it really is alright to stratch someone to blood if she doesn't mind?? It sounds unhealthy as hell to me but uh maybe I'm wrong??

No. 259525

>>259523
Trim your nails short and be careful next time. A tiny bit bleeding does happen to some but you shouldn't be scratching the shit out of her. If you don't like trimming nails then you can use a toy or your mouth ofc.

No. 259526

>>259525
Ty! I'll give trimming a try.

No. 259635

lesbian girlies

No. 259957

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>>258319
It's not looking good. Can someone please help me on the ethics of this? I honestly don't want to die without ever having sex again, but I don't think it's fair to put another woman through that. Even if it's a one night stand, I can imagine it's still fucked up if your temporary bed partner dies not super long after. Unless they are a tourist I guess and have no way of finding out. I don't even know how I'm going to attract anyone, I lost so much weight and muscle, I look like a ghost with a slightly yellow tinge. I'm honestly even considering contacting the lesbian escort agency, I hate that my brain even went over that as an option, but what if I don't even get to have a PCHP? I keep getting more bad news after doctors say "oh it probably won't be that bad".

No. 260000

>>259957
I think you should go for it. You want sex and there is probably a woman there who would want that with you. Don't have sex with the ones that cant handle the situation, be with the ones that can. Also, a one night stand isn't obligated to be kept in contact with. If things don't go well they aren't going to be impacted the way you're thinking if they know at all. I've had people I've known for relatively brief interactions suddenly die and while it isn't pleasant you're able to move on while appreciating the role they played in your life.

No. 260016

>>260000
Quads, so you must be right. Thanks anon

No. 260041

>>259957
agree with other anon, just go for it.

No. 260167

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>>259957
I hope you make it nona. Don't leave us.

No. 260277

>Know only a few other lesbians who haven't trooned out, the rest are """bisexuals""" in long-term straight relationships
>One of them is an obvious straight political lesbian
>Is an actual femcel obsessing over men because they don't find her desirable but "it's okay because I'm a lesbian!"
>Has had multiple boyfriends in the past and used to identify as fully heterosexual
>She's an ultrafemme, lowkey disgusted by butches and GNC lesbians and doesn't know how to keep her fucking mouth shut about it, thinks she's oppressed for "not looking like a lesbian"
>Can't go a day without bringing up how she's the most lesbianest lesbian that ever lesbianed, a lesbian lesbo
>"I would date a trans woman no problem because trans women are women!"
I'm seething so hard nonnies, lord give me strength not to snap for the last time. This thread is literally the only place where I can assume there are other gay women listening.

No. 260345

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I started to follow a smaller celebrity on social media and find her irresistibly pretty and she have a shy/akward charm and personality but is not a doormat. She very rarely post stuff or interact with fans, but commission art sometime. I was thinking about doing a drawing of her for her birthday but it's super cringe right ?
She is like the only celebrity crush I ever had who is active now and not 30+ years ago.

sage for shit blogposting

No. 260369

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>>260277
>She's an ultrafemme, lowkey disgusted by butches and GNC lesbians and doesn't know how to keep her fucking mouth shut about it, thinks she's oppressed for "not looking like a lesbian"
I hate this oh my god. Fucking where? Where is this magical land where society respects butch lesbians more than conventionally feminine women? Where is this secret lesbian island where butches get all the positive media representation and femmes are reduced to punchlines? Is that where all the butches are hiding? Is that why I can't find any non-trans butch women on dating apps? Are they all living on the secret butch supremacy island?

No. 260386

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I'm trying to see how quickly I can get myself banned from Lex because that app isn't even good for shitposting. It's all deranged troons, slightly less deranged ftms, and really young she/theys who would probably be disgusted by actual sex with a woman, and almost everybody is overweight and/or fugly. My profile is blatantly TERFy without actually using the word and I still get random trannies like picrel messaging me. Maybe if I succeed here I will move on to trolling on Her but I don't want some creepy troon dev to hold onto my IP and account details.

No. 260400

>>260386
I feel like i had a stroke reading this what is this person trying to say?

No. 260506

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>>260277
>She's an ultrafemme, lowkey disgusted by butches and GNC lesbians and doesn't know how to keep her fucking mouth shut about it, thinks she's oppressed for "not looking like a lesbian"
Oh god. I can't express how much i hate those kind of woman

No. 260517

>>260386
What does your bio say anon?

No. 260538

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>>260167
Realistically I have a great shot due to my age and prior fitness level, but I'm just scared shitless either way due to how much I've deteriorated in just a couple months and how much seems to be affected.
>>260277
>She's an ultrafemme, lowkey disgusted by butches and GNC lesbians and doesn't know how to keep her fucking mouth shut about it, thinks she's oppressed for "not looking like a lesbian"
>"I would date a trans woman no problem because trans women are women!"
What the actual fuck.
>>260369
Oh god the Lword did butches so dirty. All we got was a troon who ended up sleeping with a man and Ivan who ended up being poly and trying to get with straight women. Shane barely even counts as some form of masc and they did her dirty too. People who complain about butches, are living in the past, which they weren't even a part of. The 40's/50's were a weird time from what I've read and femme4femme was rare in working class communities for a while, but that hasn't been the case since the 70's at the very least. Ruby Rose as Stella in OINTB was thrown out real fast, the other butch Dominga "Daddy" Duarte literally went to prison for being a pimp and getting one of the women killed after pressuring her into it. She also got other women in prison on drugs. Which is worse than whatever most of the other women in prison did. Let's also not talk about Big Boo and what they made her do with the dog and why Lea Delaria has some weird hatred of other butches (idk if she's even actually butch). They consistently do butches dirty.

No. 260561

>>260517
Not about to dox myself but I more or less wrote "I hate men". Considering just nuking the whole venture by making a post about JKR for the lulz.
>>260400
Your guess is as good as mine. I think he means he's going to attempt some sort of fertility ritual on a chaser he's been talking to but who even knows.

No. 260563

Is there significant difference between a butch/dyke/stud/tomboy? I feel like they're all describing the same 'look' more or less

No. 260565

>>260563
I guess it depends on the context. When I say "butch" I mean anything that's not outright femme, but it varies for a lot of people. Some consider anyone with long hair or makeup as femme for example even if they dress very masculine, and some consider them tomboys. Studs are practically classy butches.

No. 260569

>>260561
>but I more or less wrote "I hate men"
Lol that’s not terfy. Bihets and trannies say that shit all the time and still constantly worship dick.

No. 260578

>>260563
Butch is a lesbian identity or description and refers to a (considered by general society) masculine manner of dress and behaviour. It's more than just an aesthetic or 'look'. This shouldn't be misinterpreted as "butches have to act like scrotes", which isn't the case, but a femme with short hair is a femme with short hair, not suddenly butch. I don't know how "dyke" describes a look? Tomboy can refer to women of any sexuality, usually children, implies that it's something you grow out of, usually not seen as masculine as "butch". Often used by people who believe that "butch" is a dirty word and they think it refers to fat ugly women who don't know how to dress well; it feels like a cowardly copout. People who call everyone who wears a suit or has short hair "butch" are retarded too and should stfu, because that's not how it works.
>>260565
Stud refers to black butches specifically, it doesn't mean "classy butches". Butches can be classy too.

No. 260606

>>260538
> Let's also not talk about Big Boo and what they made her do with the dog

i can barely remember what happened in oitnb but i don’t want to know what this refers to

No. 260634

How do you navigate sex when you're both traumatized women? I can find barely any literature about this online. We never want to make each other uncomfortable, are terrible at initiating and follow through, and both experience varying/low sex drives due to past shit. I feel embarrassed asking about this but I've been too embarrassed to bring it up anywhere else.

No. 260667

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>>260538
>Oh god the Lword did butches so dirty.
Have you seen any of the reboot yet? They made Shane fall in love with an AGP. Finley is cute though so I'm still watching.

No. 260723

>>260667
I thought it was an isolated hookup? Did they actually make them fall in love? Pls no

No. 260810

>be visibly gay
>make friends w straight girl
>dont even mention being gay
>she starts immediately talking about how she might be gay/gay topics like "comphet"

Have y'all ever experienced this? i feel like it happens to me every time. Like, I am not your therapist or the lesbian task force. I do not care

No. 260837

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Pride month is one month away. Have you anons prepared your nuclear bunkers yet?

No. 260856

>>260837 Here the nightmare starts again, fuck. And like every year i ask, is that hard to make pride +18 for god's sake? So you can have all the kinky shit,the beer sponsorships and all police you want (idk you nons but personally I wouldnt take any child to an event with a lot of police presence and many drunktards,kinky degeneracy aside idk in your countries but in mine that is a recipe for a disaster) but no, is all about the greediness. The sponsors of PrideTM want to have as many potencial consumers as posible. I can't think of a more money-hungry event that pride and is nauseating.

No. 260873

>>260837
>>260856
If you're not in a big city, it's probably fairly easy to avoid, if you stay off of social media. I hope there are some nice documentaries or movies playing with not too much genderspecial stuff though.

No. 260885

>>260837
This kink at pride shit has put gay rights like decades back in conservative countries. Because of it, for the average normie homosexuality is associated with sexual degeneracy and not idk just two men living together. But westerners will never get it and will always push to be as sexually explicit in public as possible because of their own coomerdom. Even just 18+ restriction or leaving the kink stuff at bars could help but nooo. Everyone HAS to see naked men in bdsm gear wearing dildo hats

No. 260937

>>260723
Shane fell super hard unfortunately. They also added one true butch to the series but she's old and annoying and kind of an idiot. The L Word only "improved" in terms of shoving even more trannies into storylines.

>>260634
You need to work on trust first. Don't set up expectations of sex (or later, orgasm) from touches and just focus on going as far as you can handle. Talk to each other, a lot. She will need reassurance and feel bad for it, so will you. But looking in her eyes you'll find reassuring her comes easy, and she will feel the same. Imo stop escalating as soon as one of you starts getting in her head and learn to communicate that effectively. Sometimes you will misread or fail to speak up but you need to be patient and focus on feeling safe. Just support each other and slowly explore intimate interactions that feel good and safe. Trust comes first, there is no special technique that will make sex easy.

No. 260947

>>260810
Yes, this has happened. Usually when a girl has told me she’s bi or gay or something it’s because she’s letting me know she’s available, as it leads to other things, or she’s trying to relate. I don’t get why you’re pissed off.

No. 261072

>>260937
the one butch side character they added was played by Ellen Degen's ex and was questioning for like half the season lmao.

No. 261075

>>260386
Me again, I've finally succeeded in copping a ban. All it took apparently was asking a troon who was reeing about women posting things related to the Roe v. Wade vote "why [he] was so mad about women posting things related to a current event that directly affects them on an app with a large female userbase", and probably putting the word 'lesbian' in my bio and calling the troons who messaged me 'bro'. Avoid the fuck out of Lex unless you wanna see girlcock, bussy, and tenderqueer extremism.

No. 261076

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>>260386

lex has banned my burner accounts 20+ times. i dont care. i spammed their servers w accounts and set location to coordinate in antartica.

No. 261077

>>261076
>tfw no lolcow gf to troll troons with

No. 261078

>>261077
yeah girly i wrote it in python : )

No. 261079

>>261075
lex is community modded if you didnt know, which i find hilarious. direct democracy type shit where if enough people report your account you get insta-banned.

No. 261080

just occurred to me that you can probably automate the process and get a bunch of bot accounts to spam report an annoying tranny

No. 261082

I don't troll on Lex but keep it around to laugh at the cringe. I wonder if it'd be fun to have a dating app cringe thread separate to the current apps thread? I'm a bong and so far my whole experience with Lex has been

>ethically non-monogamous kweer (currently single and solo poly) who loves vegan food here for pals. talk to me about mitski and heartstopper. i'm disabled, fat, femme, anarcho-communist, neurodivergent and have autism. btw i have never been with a woman (aka birthing folk) before but would like to try it… maybe we can hold hands?

No. 261084

craziest thing i saw on lex was someone looking for a surrogate

No. 261091

At least Lex lets you block trannies without having to report them. HER doesn't even let you do that, you have to send a report in order to block someone which would out you as a terf. That being said Lex is purely a schadenfreude platform for me.

No. 261122

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>>260937
They made her go from Quiara to an AGP? While I hate that Quiara constantly pressured Shane into having kids together, when it's been clear Shane is extremely terrified of that, at least she was an actual woman and quite hot.

No. 261128

there is these agp+lesbian plotlines basically everywhere in "lesbian" media, but i rarely see gay men paired up with aidens, or god forbit straight women or men paired with trannies. it's so obvious this all is just about dickpushing.

No. 261129

>>261128
A gay man being paired up with an Aiden happened in the original Lword, right? Went from butch Moira to gayden Max and it made no sense.

No. 261132

>>260937
Thank you anon, I really appreciate your advice ♥

No. 261133

>usually wear femme or potatos sack tier outfit at school
>one day I decided to wear a 3 piece suit with a pant instead of skirt because my ass is too fat for it now.
>litterally get compliment from all the bi and lesbian girls I know of in my classroom.

the search for butch lesbian is real

No. 261154

>>261133
How? I feel like everyone stopped liking butches and became femme4femme the moment dating apps became a thing.

No. 261170

>>261122
I'll never forgive them for making Shane bi.

No. 261188

Last night I had a dream that I met a beautiful girl at the store and she found out we had the same hobbies and asked for my number. I then had another dream that I woke up and still had her number so I messaged her about the crazy dream I had but then I woke up from that dream too… she looked like a young Rashida Jones lol.

No. 261290

>>260538
Don't know your exact situation ofc, but fwiw nona, I've spent the past three years caring for someone with cancer in a possibly similar situation (bladder, stage 3, she's very young for it + in otherwise good shape), and while the decline was very sharp/awful/shocking/fast and chemo/immuno made it especially grueling, she's in a much better place now. I'm rooting for you even if you did remind me how angry i am about oitnb's terrible, terrible choices

No. 261308

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>>261170
The writing was on the wall already tbh from the beginning (gif related), but I hate they went that route anyway. I think Ilene Chaiken hates any kind of gnc or slightly masc lesbian and has made it her lifegoal to give the shittiest representation ever.
>>261290
I'm sorry for reminding you, kek. Thank you! I had another test procedure done today, they've taken some biopsies and the waiting game is starting again. I think they want to do a Whipple procedure, but are still looking at how much to remove. I hoped to get away with a simple resection, but of course not kek

No. 261311

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>>261290
Also I'm glad the person you're caring for is doing better now! She's lucky to have someone like you caring for her and I hope things get only better!

No. 261369

There’s this podcast I listen to and admittedly it’s not high quality enriching content but today the one of the (gay male) hosts was making fun of the other by calling her a lesbian. It wasn’t just one throwaway comment it was like a running joke. It stopped me in my tracks and literally not one of the brain dead fanbase called them out on it. It just made me so depressed nonas. I’m 33, I dealt with that kind of shit all through grade school, high school beyond. Being seen as a joke because I’m a gay woman. Obviously I’m just going to stop listening to the podcast and move on but it was kind of a gut punch.

No. 261370

>>261369
yeah, it happens a lot. you'll be a lot happier if you just stop consuming things made by non lesbians. even within our community there are shitty actors (like handmaiden) but it's better than being mocked by people with no skin in the game.

No. 261375

>>261370
Thanks nonnie, you are right. Do you listen to any podcasts from non handmaiden lesbians? Any nonas have any suggestions?

No. 261431

>>261154
Idk my school attract strange normies so it coule be it. It's kind of funny I had to dress like a marlene dietrich cliché to have girls attention

No. 261434

>>261431
It's not a cliché when it's extremely rare. GNC women seem to be rarer in the 2020's than 1920's and practically nobody likes it anymore anyway.

No. 261472

>>261133
completely OT but damn nona, where'd you cop a three-piece suit that actually fits and did you get it tailored? i am envious (and i'm sure it looked great)

No. 261474

>>261133
>the search for butch lesbian is real
you’re not kidding. It took a long time for me to realize my attraction to women because feminine women are everywhere, but I love butches dammit!!

No. 261479

>>261472
Got it from my grandma, it's a cheaper 80's office lady ensemble but this time I had to swap out the skirt for a custom made formal pant (no ready to wear pant will ever fit me well). Honestly I'm lucky because the vest stop at my waist, and the jacket is curvy enought for my hips. Honestly a 3 piece suit off the rack can't really work for any woman who is not build like a runaway model. Appart from this jacket, the only that fit me is one I did with a custom pattern.
>>261474
True! There really need to be some kind of revival in butch fashion that is not just man sportwear or skater boy stuff thrown on a woman.

No. 261480

>>261474
Women who love butches also seem extremely rare tho. Many at most just like a femme in a suit.

No. 261542

>>247377
I am so lonely I can't bear it. Haven't been with anyone since before covid. My life is passing me by and I've never truly been in love. Each night I spend alone is a reminder that I'm wasting time. Years have passed I'm still waiting for my life to begin.

No. 261649

Made it to my 30s a virgin. Dated but never had a GF (shout out to comphet. had some scary moments with men). I feel like I can’t be arsed with dating? I just wanna lift heavy then go home and watch anime and dumb soppy movies. A gf would be nice, but i’m already so tired of online dating, if anything I’d rather meet someone without the dating, just start off as friends.

ngl nonnas if I was forever alone I don’t think It’d be all that bad? sage for rambling

No. 261683

>>261649
How did you even go along with online dating? I am 24 and a virgin and honestly I don’t even want to try to date because I am too ashamed and feel like nobody will want to deal with this mess

No. 261684

>>261649
I'm in a similar boat, and I hate online dating too. Idk I feel like all the women I'm compatible aren't on the apps anyway, I don't want a normie Tinder lesbian I want a weird introverted cat lady.

No. 261687

>>261683
I wouldn’t worry about it. Online dating if full of tims, gender specials and handmaidens anyway. Oh and spicy straights looking for threesomes
>>261684
i feel you. i want a gnc terf gf to be cat mum with.

No. 261689

>>261684
I found my dorky cat lady love on HER. I actually thought she was too shy or nerdy for me and I was too GNC for her but turns out we're a perfect match. We went out as friends but we immediately fell in love lol

No. 261690

>>261687
NTA, how gnc are we talking and how many cats do you want? I have plans on how to catify the house and place shelves all over the place and make a catio. just kidding, I wouldn't dare, but kinda sad we're all lonely on here though

No. 261699

My gf always wants inside my jacket (while I'm wearing it), has anyone else experienced this?

No. 261703

>>261690
nta but I think you're my soulmate, I wanna catify my whole house too. My dream is to have the house set up so that there are general areas but also closed off sections for guest cats (in case they don't get along with my forever kitties). My local shelter has foster programs that I wanna volunteer for.

No. 261723

>>261649
>>261689
Honestly I'm close to getting the HER app but I'm a dummy who never used dating app before. I'm scared to put my real face but I guess I'm going to change my hairstyle and crankup the snow filter for the pic so tim would be too autistic to reconize my face on my work social media.

No. 261726

>>261703
Haha, it's probably quite common to want to catify the house for lesbians, right? If you're going to foster kittens, it would be good if they are around your forever kitties though, so they can learn how to cat right. It would even work on adult cats. At the shelter we had an older grandma cat who would act like an example and had a mellowing effect on all the other cats. Somehow they all got along and it helped with a lot of their behavioral problems when they would first get in. Some closed off sections should be doable though, would also be good for quarantine purposes for the first week or two, depending on what kind of fostering you're going to do. Or if you get a FIV positive cat.

No. 261757

>>261723
who the fuck is tim

No. 261758

>>261757
I mean TIM's lol nonna

No. 261858

Maybe this is just in my area but why is every lesbian on tinder a stoner. I get ghosted a lot of the time when I say I don't do any kind of drugs. I honestly just hate dealing with high people and I could never have a girlfriend that smoked weed constantly.

No. 261861

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How do you deal with family member's passing by homophobia? Not even always directed towards you. My mom is generally an accepting person (I'm not really out to her but hinted at it and suspect she knows) but every so often will make jokes or remarks about lesbians and it kind of stings every time. Like she's pretty traditional so when she saw Jojo siwa dancing with another woman on Dancing with the Stars and said she thought it was 'unnatural' for the competition because all the other contestants were man/woman. She also believes strongly that kids should have a mother and father, not two mothers or fathers and doesn't think they could be raised right. I've never told her that if I ever wanted kids it'd be with another woman, it somehow makes me feel like I'd be an incompetent parent if I ever did want kids one day. I have other family members make fun of lesbians' sex preferences which always makes me wince like heterosexuals don't do disgusting things too?? Idk I just feel embarrassed everytime it's brought up like I'm the butt of the joke

No. 261923

>>261861
i used to think i wouldn’t invite them to my wedding but i’m just going to elope lmao

i moved away from my family and only keep in touch by calls. i never share more than i need to.

No. 262038

I want to dye my hair but I don’t want people to start asking my pronouns. It’s bad enough introducing myself by my nickname cause nobody except my parents and boss has called my by my birth name in about 20 years.

sage cause i’m just whining at this point. let me be weird and gnc in peace.

No. 262057

>>262038
What color do you want to dye it? Unless you get it cut weird most normies won't suspect you're trying to be gendery, a lot of straight girls I see have colorfully dyed hair nowadays.

I think makeup and clothes affect this though, I wore and oversized jacket and colored lipstick together once and someone had to confirm my pronouns were female kms

No. 262186

>>262057
ayrt. like a slicked back mohawk? sides are shaved in tight. and the kicker is my fav colours are green, blue (the danger hair colours) or purple.

I’m so ducking angry for you nonna. how is it lesbians have been gnc for literal centuries but it’s only of note when it’s done by non-binary/tif kids. If i wear green lipstick i don't want to be they/them’ed. I want to look like Jolyne Jostar.

No. 262222

>>262186
god it was green lipstick. I don't want to hate the color now either because I [thought] it looked cool

No. 262229

>>261861
I'm sorry you're going through that anon. My mom used to be sort of similar when I was a kid but after I came out to her when I was 17 (quite a few years ago now) she seems to have relaxed a bit with her views and is a bit of a "who cares if you're gay or straight" person. It's always possible for people to change or make exceptions I guess, but you should never feel pressured to come out or anything if you don't feel comfortable. Just remember there are lots of people out there who will understand and respect being gay and it's just a shame those voices are being drowned out by the kweerios right now.

No. 262278

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We need more lesbos

No. 262286

>>261861
>She also believes strongly that kids should have a mother and father
How do people unironically believe this when most fathers barely spend time with their kids and screwing their mistresses instead. I've never met someone raised by two moms who said they were neglected.

No. 262315

>>262286
There's nothing wrong with single moms. I've seen masculine guys who were closeted from both their parents. Men act hyper-masculine to hide their desires away, these are the same men who compare dick sizes and talk about them more than us, and they decide to talk shit about us. Pakistan where being gay is haram, they watch alot of gay porn. this triggers me. Men place women in different hierarchies when we do more or equal

No. 262317

>>262316
go back to 4chin with your faggy fetishes

No. 262318

>>262317
avg crystal cafe user

No. 262339

>>262038
I'm embarrassed of my nickname now because I worry it makes me look like a gendie but I also haven't gone by my birth name in five years kek. Just do it anon, people will always make assumptions about you. And you're right, >>262186 lesbians have always been gnc. We're the blueprint, they're copying us. So don't let them take your self expression just because you're embarrassed you might be associated with them. We do it better lol

No. 262343

Internalized lesbophobia and somewhat explicit What is the actual difference between attraction and objectification? How many women are you allowed to be attracted to before it gets gross and a cliché? Is it bad to not have a type, but have very broad interest, from high femme to even SOME TiFs, various bodytypes? Is it objectification and degrading if you want to go down on a woman, but wouldn't want them to go down on you (I'm not completely touch-me-not, just a weird hangup)? I don't want to transition, but I also don't want to perform femininity because it makes me feel like an AGP and look like one (imo). Dressing gnc makes me feel like I actually look like a woman, because the contrast brings out my feminine features. Meanwhile if I do anything feminine, I feel like my ogre bonestructure comes right out. Same thing with short hair, I actually think my face looks more feminine and soft with short hair and less harsh and sharp than with long hair. Is not wanting to perform femininity internalized misogyny? I feel like a gross hypersexual scrote who is just larping as a feminist. How can I shit on scrotes, when I'm basically seen as scrotelite anyway and I have a very high libido? I never use misogynist cuss words iirc, I don't comment on women's bodies irl or even online really, except something vague like "oh she's beautiful". I would never talk about "owning" someone and I'm not a jealous type afaik. I don't watch porn, I've never been interested in actual porn, there's enough mainstream media which is already borderline softcore. I'd be fine with a completely monogamous exclusive relationship, but I think my sex drive is too high for that and it would've been better if I were asexual, because who the fuck would want a gross horny simp around all the time? If I were actually attractive, I would totally want to be some sort of stripper for women exclusively or even an escort (I saw something about a lesbian escort bureau on the news) and I feel like a scrote over it. I wish I could nuke my libido and become asexual. I almost feel like the polilez are right and it's better to be a cottagecore asexual, because it's hard to marry feminism and my scroteishness.

No. 262362

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>>262343
>because it's hard to marry feminism and my scroteishness.
Maybe you need to step back from feminism a bit? I read your whole vent and I've had most of those feelings too. When I spend too much time thinking about radical feminism (and especially if I'm participating in radfem communities full of straight women) I end up with this weird OCD about my sexuality where I obsess over rooting out the 'problematic' parts. It's not healthy.

I don't think you sound like a scrote at all. I think you sound like a normal lesbian. Thought crime isn't actually a thing you know? You're never going to be scrotelike just for being attracted to women. Men are disgusting because they turn their thoughts into shitty IRL behavior like leering and harassing. And then patriarchy enables that shitty IRL behavior and makes it worse. It's not even comparable to you like, seeing a woman and privately wishing you could go down on her.

I'm so sorry you feel this way. I wish I could type more but I'm stoned and barely functional, I just wanted to make sure someone replied. I wish I could give you a hug.

No. 262366

>>262362
I think I've internalized it on top of the religious conservative and TRA stuff. I had supposed other lesbians in radfem spaces send me links to polilez articles, it all honestly sounds very similar and has blended together. I've left all radfem online communities quite a while ago and I try to avoid general lesbian communities too, because that is either filled with TRA's or more conservative types who think butches give lesbians a bad name and should transition already. I feel like because of the gnc/butch thing I have a bigger responsibility to root out the problematic parts, because we have such a bad reputation already. So now every time I realize I feel attracted to a woman, my mind immediately goes down the list of how I'm a fucked up gross predatory monster and I probably traumatized her with my presence, I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but it does feel that way. I know realistically speaking thought crime isn't a thing, but I remember that back in the day there was discourse about how it feels like thought rape if someone does have private thoughts like that and that it's fucked up and objectifying either way. What even is the difference between leering, staring and just looking? I try to glue my eyes to the floor or ceiling, but then I catch myself looking anyway and sometimes I think I do stare because I'm trying to get my gaydar to work and wonder whether it's just a straight woman with a spicy haircut or maybe a lesbian too. Sometimes I've complimented other women on their arms or hair and maybe that's harassment? I usually try to get away as soon as possible afterwards I probably look like a tard running away so I don't make anyone uncomfortable, but maybe it feels threatening and predatory anyway when it comes from someone like me. Your stoned thoughts were very coherent and I do appreciate you taking the time to type all of that out. Thank you.

No. 262380

>>262343
>>262366
I'm pretty similar to you, I nearly almost medically transitioned (didn't in the end, but did socially transition before moving away/disappearing). It's very tempting to take on the burden of all society's bigger problems on yourself when you begin to see yourself as male-adjacent via gnc-ism or butch-ism, especially when lesbians are shooting into hypervisibility and it's getting even harder (and weirder) to actually identify with non-traditional femininity. But I think disconnecting from radfem spaces, and really all radical thought spaces, is a good place to start. One thing I realised as I was going through a lot of similar thoughts to you was that I would always have these problems, but the more exposure you have to this kind of discussion, the easier it is to really hone in on the intricacies them and find these little shards of glass in yourself. And another thing that I had to remember is that there is so little out there about lesbians or lesbianism, so it's hard to get a read on what other lesbians actually think/feel. Certain things do make me feel like a horrible freakish predator, but then I have to ask myself: am I the only person to ever think this? Do straight women think this sometimes? Do gay men? The mind is a lonely place - it's difficult to imagine other people are not so different to yourself. But that's just my advice.

No. 262398

>>262380
I never wanted to transition really. When a fujo ex-friend transitioned when we were teenagers, I reacted really extreme to it, so it's never been an option to me. Though it doesn't matter, because people have always compared me to men anyway and everyone from christians to TRA's think I should've been a man, conservative lesbians would prefer if I'd transition, so I wouldn't give the community a bad name and add to the stereotype of the "mannish" lesbian. I don't necessarily take all of society's bigger problems on myself, but I'm worried that my existence makes other women uncomfortable and that's the last thing I would want. I've not really met another lesbian since my ex (and I dumped her to save her from my horrible monstrous predatory ass, but she turned out to actually be into women), even when going to progressive spaces. Actual bi women seem rare too. This is going to sound insane, but it makes me sometimes doubt whether others even exist. I see it online, there are some tv shows and movies, a book here and there, women on dating apps who only want to chat, but irl there's nobody. Straight women seem so unbothered, they hug each other, give each other compliments, stare at each other all they want and it's fine. Meanwhile I haven't shared changingrooms with other women since late primary school. The mind might be a lonely place, but irl is not much different in my experience. I'm not even sure whether those "other people" exist. I've come across gay men in passing, but never chatted for longer than 15 minutes. The guy who I knew for a decade and who I thought was gay, ended up being bi, so I'm completely ignorant.

No. 262408

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This is such a retarded question but would this still be considered somewhat femme or just tomboyish?

No. 262468

>>262408
imo it reads as more tomboyish but it's mostly because of her vibe, tattooes, body type and the hand in the pockets, she is cute!

No. 262472

>>262408
if her hair was in a tight braid or ponytail i’d jump her bones ngl.

No. 262484

>>262343
>Is not wanting to perform femininity internalized misogyny?
Even if a fear of femininity in presentation does come from a place of internalized misogyny, I think a lot of women are simply afraid of experiencing misogyny from other people because of the way they look, which imo makes it completely fine to want to avoid it. Feminists before us fought for the right for women to have more freefom over their bodies, clothes included. Also, if anything, I think being gnc is very beautiful and admirable. I'm very femme myself and sometimes I do wonder if I dress how I do because I've been brainwashed by society, and I admire women who don't try to fit into that mold and just do what looks best to them.

>I don't watch porn, I've never been interested in actual porn
I actually did/do suffer from porn addiction and it really just worsens everything. I've always loved and admired other women and their bodies and absolutely hate even getting compliments from men, but it makes me feel just as bad as any man when I would objectify porn actresses or just fantasize about having consensual vanilla sex with other women. I hate being objectified myself but I also am terrified of objectifying other women even though I don't think my own thoughts would be disgusting if another woman thought of me that way. It's just an all around upsetting and confusing experience sometimes, but there are definitely other lesbians who have high libidos, I hope you can find someone who would be happy to be with you.

No. 262485

>>262343
>>262362
>>262380
Different anon but getting into the radical feminist lesbian scene on tumblr really helped me accept my identity and gnc'ness. I've never interacted with straight radfems and I don't want to, I don't think I could find a community with them and I find a lot of them veer too quickly into trad territory. How are you gonna call yourself radical while advocating for heteronormativity? Radfem lesbians are great, they've helped me accept my high libido, hairy legs, and broad interest in women at large. Radical feminism is very beneficial for all women, and radfem lesbians are good for the soul.

No. 262486

>>262484
Samefagging to add, not wanting to perform femininity is not misogynistic. The imposed restrictions and standards of femininity as dictated by men is what's misogynistic, and wanting to exist as your natural self in comfortable clothes with an easy to maintain haircut is definitely not misogynistic in the least. If some women want to perform femininity, that's fine, but femininity is not synonymous with womanhood, it is something that's expected of us.
Anon, I recognize a lot of myself in what you're saying and I can tell you carry a lot of guilt and shame. Please trust your heart and body. None of what you're describing is wrong, it's only homophobes that have a problem with what you're saying. Being able to self describe this as internalized lesbophobia is the first step towards healing. There's nothing wrong with you at all.

No. 262487

>>262343
Fuck, sorry, samefagging one last time.
I am also a horny simp. I have a wife who I love and I could cum just from eating her out. When we first got together we were having sex like three times a day. I am foolishly over the top in love with her, and before we met I also had thoughts of wanting to strip for women, serve them, be used by them. Now that I'm in a stable, loving relationship I no longer feel like a desperate horny little freak because I've learned that mutual attraction actually exists and it's not just me acting like an incel. We've both had past sexual trauma that can make things hard for us but we're understanding of each other and we make each other feel safe.
Other lesbians exist and they're horny for you as well, I promise it's a fact. It's going to get better. Please don't be afraid to put yourself out there because I guarantee you will feel so much better meeting other women like you. Nothing has helped me like finding community with proud, established, gnc lesbians. Just keep looking until you find them, whether online or irl.

No. 262506

>>262485
>>262486
>Radfem lesbians are great
>radfem lesbians are good for the soul
Nona, all I've gotten from radfem "lesbians" are polilez articles and constant shaming. There's an approved gnc uniform, but anything more gnc or overtly masculine than just being lazy, is seen as male aligned. You're also still expected to perform some femininity to fit the uniform and there is a list of approved behaviors that comes with the uniform. Handing a tissue to a femme or opening the door? You're upholding heteropatriarchy, infantilizing her and oppressing yourself! Getting sent Bev Jo articles and podcasts, where she talks about how anyone can choose to become a "Lesbian" and having her kiss Terri Strange's ass. You can have a sex drive, maybe once a month, but you HAVE to let other women go down on you or you're basically a trans man already! If you're attracted to overt femmes? You're practically a scrote, that's male gazey, go think about what you've done! Attracted to TiF's? Straight to the gulag with you! You can only find other enlightened radfem "Lesbians", woman-identified-women attractive and whether it's a butch or a femme, they uphold heteropatriarchy and aren't true woman-identified-women. Also if you're not an open terf everywhere, you're not even a true "Lesbian" don't you know?! Nah I don't think I can be around radfem "Lesbians" (you have to capitalize the l don't you know? To signify how you're better and different from those "lifelongs" who didn't CHOOSE to be a Lesbian!!). They even tried to pressure my bi friend into identifying as a lesbian, because if you know you're bi, you must be a disgusting slut who is open to men, you have to call yourself a lesbian to signify you're not open to men! Can't just call yourself febfem! I swear straight radfems are more sane than them and any actual non-polilez lesbians run away very fast and don't last long in such an environment.
>>262487
>Please don't be afraid to put yourself out there because I guarantee you will feel so much better meeting other women like you.
Well radfem Lesbians aren't like me, because I didn't choose any of this and I don't want even more pressure to hyperanalyze everything I do. I'm glad you found happiness and all that, but those radfem communities are a minefield. I'll have to look in other places which aren't explicitly radfem.
>>262484
>and sometimes I do wonder if I dress how I do because I've been brainwashed by society
Humans have been painting their faces and decorating themselves since the very beginning. I think even if we were on a planet with just women or with no patriarchy or whatever, you'd still have women who would dress in what we consider now feminine. Crows like shiny things, humans can like shiny things too and put it on themselves. I hope you'll recover and will no longer feel shame from it. I lucked out, but it's difficult to avoid porn in today's society™ and even mainstream media seems to be full of borderline softcore stuff. it's not your fault!
>I hope you can find someone who would be happy to be with you.
I feel like I'm too late, I don't know how long I have left, whether I can even recover and I'm probably spending the rest of my 20's in treatment and what if I need chemo and it'll wreck me even more? I'm already not very attractive, have low confidence and a femcel attitude, so I've kinda resigned myself to the fact that I'm probably going to stay alone. I don't even want to go on dating apps anymore, I'm gross skinnyfat and look like a junkie teenage boy since I lost weight, full of bruises and a sickly skintone. I feel guilty anyway for not having my priorities straight. Why is this the thing that bothers me when there's so much other shit about life I'll be missing out on? It makes me wonder if I deserved this, for being this messed up. Like karma for being a coomer.

No. 262678

>>262506
What you wrote about radfem "lesbians" is so spot on. I actually came out feeling worse about my sexuality after spending a few months on the radfem scene. I remember talking about extravagant fashion purchases with one woman and I mentioned getting expensive designer boxers as a treat and she flipped the fuck out on me telling me I'm gonna troon out and I'm a misogynist for preferring male styles of underwear. Absolutely batshit insane and that's the tip of the iceberg for the mad shit I heard from these women. I agree with a great deal of their politics but you could not pay me to hang out with radfems again. I don't even want to label myself a radfem or radfem adjacent, lest I attract more polilez freaks.

No. 262733

i want to be like 19 bmi before I start dressing butchier

No. 262734

you girls have radfem circles? damn, I struggle to find a lesbian triangle around me I can't imagine having options for cliques

No. 262754

>>262734
Finding radfems who larp as lesbians is easier than finding actual lesbians somehow. I even went to a party in a progressive area a couple months ago and the only technically lesbian women I saw, were TiFs with a beard and everything. Every androgynous woman I came across was a straight Aiden and thought I was one too for just being a babyface butch. The only person I came across who was actually into women, claimed to be asexual, while also talking about going down on women and playing choking games with her friends. Though I don't know if she meant an actual woman or an AGP, because she was sitting next to one. I feel so fucking out of touch, they were older than me, practically millennials, but they were acting more like zoomers than me the zoomer. I feel like a fucking boomer in comparison. A gay guy took pity on me and was the only one who actually recognized me as a normal butch woman. I think I maybe saw one butch4butch couple leave early on from the corner of my eye. Why is it so fucking difficult to find other lesbians? They're not with the radfems, not with the queer TRA's, I feel like everyone is already coupled up and hiding in their bunker in pure bliss.
>>262678
They also freak out if you want to read about lesbian history, because they are deadset on the narrative that true lesbians didn't exist before them and that they invented being gnc. Sharing fucked up articles with a religious undertone some polilez writers were theologians, there's a reason polilez lesbophobia is similar to what religious nutjobs preach is fine, but please don't read about female masculinity or lesbian history, because that is icky!! Their politics are fine on the surface, but for some reason they want to control the tiniest details because of the "personal is political" thing, everything is under a catholic-guilt-like scrutiny. It's how you just know they're not really lesbians, because if they were, they'd know that we are already hard enough on ourselves and don't need even more of that shit, we already got enough shit from religious conservatives and all sorts of lesbophobes screeching about how we're wannabe men over a clothing item.

No. 262833

This may be a unpopular opinion here, but polilez can go to hell. They're not my alies, or my friends let alone possible partners. (untreated) Cluster b women are already a rampant problem in the lesbian dating scene or just the lesbian spaces in general, i don't need straight cluster b women shitting things even more because they're bored.

No. 262834

>>262678 that is why i stopped associating myself with radfems and feminism as a whole too. Is just not worth it in the long term

No. 262841

>>262506
I'm sorry my suggestion wasn't helpful anon, I didn't mean to bring back any bad memories for you. I've never had this experience before honestly, the radfem lesbians and bi women I know are really nice understanding people and are strongly critical of the type of behavior you describe. Maybe I was wrong to suggest seeking out a certain group, I more meant to look for other women who are proud of their sexuality, who value and center other women and their autonomy. I hope things get better for you. We don't deserve the harsh scrutiny we receive.
>>262754
>>262833
I'd never heard of them before this thread, is this like a new tier of separatism? "Choosing" to be a lesbian because you hate men? Why not just be celibate, I don't understand this.
>>262733
Fuck that.

No. 262854

>>262833
I hate that sexuality is tied to political identity, ffs. I don't like associating with the lgb community sometimes because it's so tied to other politics. I get that it had to be in order to have like marriage rights and to not be killed in the streets, but making it revolve around every othe aspect of your life is crazy.

I live my life in the closet mainly because of this and never bring up my sexuality unless its relevant because I don't view it as my whole personality, literally just as who I want my partner to be.

No. 262866

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>>262841
Sheila Jeffreys, Julie Bindel, Andrea Dworkin, Mary Daly etc. are political lesbians.
>Political lesbianism originated in the late 1960s among second wave radical feminists as a way to fight sexism and compulsory heterosexuality. Sheila Jeffreys helped to develop the concept when she co-wrote in 1981 "Love Your Enemy? The Debate Between Heterosexual Feminism and Political Lesbianism"[3] with the Leeds Revolutionary Feminist Group. They argued that women should abandon support of heterosexuality and stop sleeping with men, while encouraging women to rid men "from your beds and your heads".[4] While the main idea of political lesbianism is to be separate from men, this does not necessarily mean that political lesbians have to sleep with women; some choose to be celibate or identify as asexual. The Leeds Revolutionary Feminist Group definition of a political lesbian is "a woman identified woman who does not fuck men". They proclaimed men the enemy and women who were in relationships with them collaborators and complicit in their own oppression. Heterosexual behavior is seen as the basic unit of the patriarchy's political structure, lesbians who reject heterosexual behavior therefore disrupt the established political system.[5]
Many of them never slept with women or even dated women, but still claimed to be lesbians, like Dworkin (love a lot of her writings, but she was a polilez). The ideal lesbian to them doesn't sleep with women, but just has a friendship and does some handholding once a month. It's also btw why Julie Bindel tried to convince JK Rowling during that lunch that she could choose to be a lesbian. That sadly enough wasn't a joke. It's not a "new" tier of separatism, is the original kind. "Lesbian feminist" is generally code for polilez and "Lesbian feminist" theory is ironically enough vehemently lesbophobic. A lot of radfem "lesbians" aren't actually lesbians, but people don't notice that when they just reblog memes and some fun quotes, but never read where those came from. Picrel some online polilez retardation, sorry for the shitty collage.
>>262833
A polilez as a partner sounds like actual hell, being constantly shamed for your sexuality and actually being attracted to your partner.

No. 262870

>>262866
Dworkin was together with Jan Stoltenberg though. Did she really id as lesbian?

No. 262874

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>>262870
Yeah she did claim she's a lesbian and she also sperged out at a lesbian conference for actual lesbians, called them nazi's for not accepting her as a lesbian iirc

No. 262881

>>262866
Do polilezes date lesbians without disclosing their "celibacy" (being straight) and then proceed to shame their partners for having sexual attraction? Is that why I see a few vehemently ashamed lesbians around the site? With troons and polilezes it seems impossible to even begin to find a girlfriend.

No. 262882

lmao almost threw up at the gym. how’s everyone else’s day been?

No. 262886

>>262881
Date, become friends, generally a lot of "lesbians" in radfem spaces are actually polilez. There's this constant claim that they have all the lesbians and soooo many gnc ones, but actually it are mostly just polilez and actual lesbians end up leaving after a while, with more internalized lesbophobia than before. Which is really messed up, because many join those spaces after coming from lesbophobic TRA spaces where butches are constantly asked if they want to troon out. To instead going to radfem spaces where you are also constantly accusred of wanting to troon out or are called misogynistic for just being gnc, by supposed other gnc lesbians. Being around them in any way shape or form is soulsucking. Then there's also conservative lesbians who think butches give lesbians a bad name and should transition, so that lesbians aren't associated with being gnc or female masculinity anymore. There's really no fucking way to win.

No. 262893

>>262886
That's so weird I didn't know polilez acted like that or said those things because I never interacted with any of them before, I just knew they are fake lesbians. This is disheartening to hear. I'm approaching past an age where it's kind of embarrassing I've never even dated but I also don't like the idea to go to a lesbian bar or club because I don't want to drink or be in a loud space. I don't even know any lesbians that exist around me though there has to be some, I'm in a city. Feels bleak.

No. 262898

>>262866
>>262874
Awful, I hate seeing this. Thank you for the write up and collage, and taking the time to explain this to me. I had no idea this was going on. Blogging a little but it's been very difficult to come out of an extremely sheltered Christian upbringing (literally was not allowed to go to school) and land in the laps of various groups who don't have my best interests in mind, and then find out there's even more layers of this shittiness. Every day it feels like there's a new way to deny that same sex attraction exists and is unchangeable and degrade people for it.
I'm very disappointed to hear this about Dworkin in particular. I started reading her work recently, she was saying a lot of what I was feeling and that was comforting. I still think what she had to say has value, but still. Very disappointing. Again, why can't they just call themselves celibate or asexual?

No. 262903

>>262898
AYRT, yeah same with the sheltered upbringing. I went to a school where parents had to sign a declaration promising that their kids aren't gay kek. Everywhere I turn I run into a wall of lesbophobia. A lot of Dworkin's work is still good and valuable though, don't have to throw everything in the trash. Just a thing to keep in mind. Some of the other writers I mentioned though, really did only write polilez bs and nothing useful. Polilez feel like they are the true lesbians and "lifelong born this ways" still uphold patriarchy, so aren't true lesbians in their opinion, which is why they won't drop the act and just say they're celibate.
>>262893
It's not embarrassing to not have dated yet, I feel like it's common when you're SSA that it can take quite a while. I've had one relationship in my teens and I feel just as inexperienced as ever. Idk if lesbian bars and clubs even still have actual lesbians or any women who are actually attracted to women. So you might not be missing much. You could try dating apps, but I've not had much luck with that either. I might just be ugly and uninteresting kek, but many just want to chat and never meet up.

No. 263000

Anyone see Crush on hulu? The director is a she/they and in the reviews it says it also talks about gender topics. The main character looks like a stereotypical art hoe and says the "queer community" so I don't really want to watch if its some new age queer shit.

No. 263093

>>263000
I was afraid of the same thing but was pleasantly surprised to see that the main character explicitly calls herself a lesbian several times. While there is queer/gender bs, it's not too bad one character is a T-voiced themlet and the ex of one of the love interests, but she's just a side character. There isn't much other than that. I wasn't a big fan of the movie however. Most of the jokes didn't land. The plot is kinda meh. It has weird pacing, it starts off slow then shit happens too fast at the end, which I guess is typical of a romcom. There's also a weird focus on a very PDA straight couple who are the MC's best friends and they're constantly shown fully making out. It was really jarring and kinda nasty imo.

It's cute and watchable enough for a romcom, but you shouldn't expect much from it

No. 263168

i get big polilez energy from the "lesbians" here who complain about fags and faghags. they always keep going on about how homosexual men are deranged hypersexual sluts but lesbians just have 3-4 partners during the life time uwu pure sexless beings and they honestly can't understand that lesbians might feel offended by homophobia even though it's not directed at us, like they see no big deal with hating homosexuality. like lesbians are ok because we just hold hands and cuddle or whatever. and i have met tons of annoying misogynist gay men so i am not thinking that fags are cuddly menlite but i just cannot imagine a gay person handwaving homophobia as a nonissue .

No. 263180

>>262754
>I feel like everyone is already coupled up and hiding in their bunker in pure bliss.
That's literally every actually non-trooned out lesbian that I know personally. They're with their long-term girlfriend away from everyone else, never wanting to interact with any other gay person outside of their bubble because why the fuck would you in this time and age of kweer brainrot.

>>262866
>>262833
>>262886
Hundred percent agreed on all of these posts, polilezzies can go fuck themselves. They only muddy the waters and make it miserable for all genuine lesbians. The amount of bitter hatred they have for specifically butch lesbians and depressed Aidens is both heartbreaking and enraging.

>>263168
I doubt they ever said they were lesbian, most of them are just heterosexuals who claim to be "fine with female homosexuals" only because it's easier for them to dismiss and ignore due to like you described, lesbians not being taken seriously by anyone. One of them even has had several spergouts tinfoiling how a HSTS will seduce/has seduced her Nigel so she definitely has a chip on her shoulder.

No. 263268

>>263168
Even if I don't feel personally offended at the homophobia towards gay men, it still worries me because in the end we're all the same to (religious) conservatives. You're either seen as predatory, asozial or as a brainwashed victim in need of reeducation, no matter whether you're a lesbian or gay man. Yeah sure, there are gay men who hate lesbians or are vindictive, but there are also enough straight women who hate lesbians and are vindictive, so not a great argument. Why do they even care about what homosexual men do in the bedroom? It literally doesn't affect anyone. Whatever is annoying about gay men is because they're men, not because they're gay, but homophobechans are somehow convinced that the gay part makes everything worse.
>>263180
I get why they hide in their bunkers, but not all of us are coupled up and some of us could use some sane friends!

No. 263281

>>263180
at least one of those posters said that they were a lesbian in the tranny thread

>>263180
sorry but i find it kinda funny how people keep saying that polilezzies feel this big hatred towards butches when what i have seen they constantly have displayed this performative and fake love for butch women and their path to lesbianism many times seemed to involve shaving their heads etc like where do you see this butch hatred

No. 263287

>>263281
though i'd like to add that these same women did always insult transmascs though so like i said, their love for butches always was performative but maybe it's just some tumblr radfem circles where these women would flip out at other tumblr radfems mentioning wearing make up and other stuff kek so while their love for female masculinity didn't come from a sincere place they didn't show love towards feminine women either? though i guess they only loved female masculinity when it comes to outer appearance but when it comes to behavior they always acted like real proper women are meek, non confrontational, behaved (in stereotypical) feminine ways while (stereotypically) masculine behavior was demonized like women in their heads couldn't show sexual desire because that is manlike, or women couldn't be aggressive because that means they are fake women or moidish for example because women are always meek, nurturing and good?

like there were these weird rules of behaviors like female masculinity is ok when it comes to clothes and hair but femininity is approved when it comes to behavior

No. 263290

>>263268
Yeah it's quite obvious they're not hating gay men because they're misogynistic but specifically because they're homosexual, especially when they suggest they're "worse than straight men" which makes them definitely sound like larping, homophobic scrotes. I remember when my old LGB friend group involved an archetypal misogynist gay twink with pussy envy snapping at women and while it was annoying as fuck and I even slapped him once for it I would much, much rather deal with that shit than a straight incel. At least he wouldn't rape or sexually assault me and straight men don't back him up so we're on almost equal grounds, and I can somewhat understand his trauma while straight men become spree killers for not having a bangmaid. And besides, like mentioned, letting any kind of homophobia be normalized directly affects lesbians as well.

>>263281
>>263287
It's been discussed a number of times in this thread. Just go to any polilez-infested place and you see people either calling butches ugly and disgusting (like Lchat) or being more discreet about it (like Ovarit) in the fashion of treating them as gender traitors. At the same time those people go against the trans rhetoric by claiming that people should be comfortable not performing traditional gender roles but then lowkey shame butch lesbians while treating them as male lite and potential rapists. The worst I've heard some anon mention was doormat butches on Ovarit saying that they'd never touch or harass women in the female bathrooms unlike male troons. Like what the fuck kind of feminist space conditions you to say something like that?

No. 263291

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>>263281
On the surface they pretend to care about butches and they might even call themselves butch, but there's more to being butch than having short hair and dressing in a lazy way. Polilez have a gender neutral uniform, but they disavow female masculinity and still skew more towards femininity. Whatever the fuck Terri Strange or Sheila Jeffreys wears cannot possibly be considered masculine. The moment you actually want to look handsome or dapper, get a proper haircut, you get shit for it. You're not allowed to be chivalrous and you're not allowed to date femmes or be attracted to them. They can't decide whether the femme or the butch is the victim in that situation even. Sometimes they assume the butch is exactly like a male chauvinist, other times they assume the femme is oppressing the butch and isn't a real lesbian. It's also a form of classism, polilez are generally (upper)middleclass bihet women, an actual butch is horrifying to them due to the working class connotations. They can't even pretend it's just about the butch-femme coupling, which they think is heteropatriarchal, because if two dapper butches would be dating and being chivalrous to each other and dressing up for each other, that's just as bad to them. Because don't you know, we're all supposed to be sexless or else we're exactly like men?! Even suggesting you're actually attracted to your partner and you're trying to look nice for them in any way shape or form, is just too much!
>>263287
Oh yeah the hatred towards lesbians who wear make-up and skirts is a lot more overt, but that's because they're not afraid of pushing you to transition. They won't admit it, but I think polilez definitely played a hand in butches not feeling welcome in the lesbian community nor within feminism. They encouraged the isolation of butches at a critical time when the medical industry first started preying on butches and trying to push for transition. Now polilez are acting like a cult, constantly screeching that they are a safe space for butches, having their minions all over claim that butch women are on their side, when they're actually extremely lesbophobic and butchphobic. I feel like they even ruined the reputation of butches, because I've seen F4F lesbians complain that butches are against their preferences and presentation, when it are the polilez who hate femmes. You're right, ironically enough they seem to love female socialization when it comes to behavior, a strong assertive woman scares them, no matter what you look like. Or the only strong assertive woman is allowed to be their ring leader and the rest has to bow down to them.
>>263290
>The worst I've heard some anon mention was doormat butches on Ovarit saying that they'd never touch or harass women in the female bathrooms unlike male troons. Like what the fuck kind of feminist space conditions you to say something like that?
I've even seen some say that they don't mind conservative lesbophobes harassing them in the bathroom, as long as it keeps the TiMs out. Since when do TiMs look like butches? Also if they still try to kick you out after hearing your voice and everything, they're not uwu concerned radfems, they're lesbophobes.

No. 263304

>>263290
>lchat
>polilez place

LMAO what? what lchat have you been to, from what i remember they surely don't identify as feminists and aren't big on politics, they're just bunch of high femmes who hate everyone who isn't a skinny high femme if they're not moids larping. they invented the word bislut for fuck's sake what polilez uses that kind of word and they have no tolerance for non-goldstars at all, again, what polilez is like that

like lchat is bitchy and butch hating as fuck but calling them polilezzies??

No. 263306

>>263304
>they invented the word bislut for fuck's sake what polilez uses that kind of word and they have no tolerance for non-goldstars at all, again, what polilez is like that
That sounds like a textbook polilez anon, just a different variety from the "concerned" tradthot radfems on Ovarit.

No. 263308

>>263306
i always thought political lesbians were the kind of women who choose to be lesbian and simp for bisexuals and women who have sex with men and call themselves lesbians

like on lchat they used to have long threads about tumblr queers and calling them polilezzies, now lchatters are polilezzies, polilezzies are everywhere and i have no idea anymore who they are supposed to be

No. 263310

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doubleposting, honestly i am just rambling here like i don't disagree with you guys i know what you mean. i also used to feel bad for being attracted to more feminine women like i am some scroteish predator or that i just have a moid taste because i like femmes or whatever.

at the same time though i felt like i am supposedly giving in to the patriarchy because i care what i look like, like yeah it felt like that unless you dress like hoboish slovenly middle aged woman like sheila jeffreys you are falling to the traps of femininity or something. i am not butch or femme the way i dress really varies a lot but when i dress more masc i want to wear nice shoes and nicely fitting clothes. though it is kinda impossible for me to look properly butch anyway, my body and face is too feminine and i end up always looking femme if i am not wearing frumpy baggy clothes and then i just look like an old auntie playing dress up. i'm just bitter i don't have more androgynous look

No. 263317

>>263306
Ok no you can't just call everyone that's being shitty polilez. The women on Lchat are explicitly nonpolitical, their orientation is not fabricated and it's not related to radical feminism. They're shitty and bigoted/self-hating I agree but that's not what polilez is.

No. 263319

>>263310
Yeah, when I was deep in radblr I used to feel bad about being attracted to feminine women and also wanting to look attractive in the eyes of other women, because it felt like I am giving in to patriarchy, am shallow and should only be attracted to womens souls or whatever. It felt like lesbians are supposed to live out the perfect political purity fantasies of straight radfems all while they themselves did barely anything because they don’t want to face repercussions, “personal is not political”, “I hate men as a class not as a person”. But god forbid a lesbian meekly expresses sexual attraction to women on her personal blog

No. 263323

>>263308
Polilez hate proud bi women. Febfem and not sleeping with men isn't good enough for them, they want bi women to larp as lesbian. They think calling yourself bi is a political statement which indicates you're available to men. They only like bi women who are polilez and call themselves lesbian. Majority of Lchat always came across as more conservative assimilationist, they think butches give lesbians a bad name and want us to transition so lesbians aren't being associated with being butch/masc anymore. They act like we're all that's standing in between societal acceptance. They also think butch=fat and if you're skinny you must be a tomboy kek, lots of coping. There are some polilez, bis and rf's on there, but it's not the majority afaik. They're absolutely insane on Lchat thinking Ruby Rose looked better in dresses and long hair btw.
>>263310
I'm sometimes jealous I'm not curvy or petite kek. We all got stuff that works for us or doesn't.

No. 263332

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>>263310
Anon wear what you want, as for that picture there are plenty of more feminine famous terves as well. I know she is straight but just look at Posie Parker.
>>263323
>Polilez hate proud bi women. Febfem and not sleeping with men isn't good enough for them, they want bi women to larp as lesbian.
This reminds me of Julie Bindel, I like her work but she once wrote an article about how she thinks bisexuals don't exist. I guess she is in denial of her own feeelings. Sad.

No. 263339

>>263332
yeah i just used that picture as an example of the weird slovenly radfem uniform that some of them wear and expect others to wear too, as if if you spend more than 5 seconds while throwing an outfit together you're the patriarchy's slave and caring at all for your looks is some sort of betrayal of the feminist agenda. and i don't mean like you gotta slather yourself with make up but just wearing nicely fitting, clean and non wrinkly clothes with your hair nicely cut and not in some permanent awkward stage

No. 263341

>>263339
Their attitude is dumb, there should be no uniform. I get being sick of patriarchal beauty standards but grooming yourself and caring about your looks is simply a fundamental human thing.

No. 263343

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>>263341
>>263339
KD Lang would already be too much for them. Omg a suit! Coordination, she thought about her outfit for longer than 2 seconds! Way too, dapper, off to the gulag!

No. 263498

>>263291
Based post and an excellent breakdown. Don't have much to add besides thanks for writing this. I always sensed a bad vibe from people who were so offended over butch/femme dynamics and accused them of being a "glorification of heteronormative gender roles and rebuilding of the patriarchy", thus implicitly framing butches as adjacent to men, and I often wonder why they choose to take that stance. Are they mad of butch/femme couples having what they don't have, i.e. a polilez lacking a Nigel? In other words, because due to not being actually attracted to other women they remain a sexless being living in celibacy and demand others to do the same?

No. 263504

While we're sperging about polilez has anyone noticed the rabid OTT hatred for top/bottom/switch labels in radfem circles? And do you think it's related?

Labels can be really cringy and I'm not trying to defend Tumblr tier 'uwu I'm bottom so I'm smol baby' stuff. But I really feel like most women have a preference? Exclusively topping or bottoming is rare but in all of my personal relationships and among every actual homosexual female I've spoken to it hasn't been a perfectly equal 50/50 Dworkin approved split, the most common seems to be something like 60/40 with one partner who slightly prefers receiving and one who slightly prefers giving. I see lesbians get told they're acting like gay men for using the labels and I don't think that's fair. Frankly I know that bottoms exist and I know that I'm not compatible with them, whether we're allowed to use the labels or not doesn't change the fact that the trends the labels describe exist.

No. 263506

>>263291
>>263310
>>263319
thank you for writing this GODDD it's exactly how i've felt for years to the point i've had to discuss it in therapy recently. i started using radfem almost like as a way to cleanse myself of my big bad evil lesbian thoughts about gasp feminine women/wanting to be attractive to women. it's just lesbophobia

No. 263511

>>263504
They unironically wrote sex guides in the 70's about how to have lesbian feminist sex and everything has to be perfectly 50/50. They would consider 60/40 to mean that one partner is oppressing the other somehow and giving into heteropatriarchy kek. It's why they were called sex negative. They claim that it's just because of not liking the kink stuff and sex work or whatever, but the real reason they were called sex negative is because they were so puritan. Preferably they didn't want you to have sex, but if you did have sex, it had to be along very strict guidelines. The kink resurgence of the 90's seems to be more an overreaction to the sexlessness of the 60's-80's and the becoming taboo of butch-femme. They view top-bottom more like a kink thing, like hardcore d/s than just a preference. They also don't want you to use the terms top-bottom because they believe they originate from gay men. Just like how they don't want women to call themselves homosexual or gay, only lesbian or woman-identified-women. They also think that it's a roundabout way of butch-femme, at least how they view butch-femme. They think they are both oppressive roles forced on someone, instead of just a description of how someone is. It doesn't matter that it's removed from gender and you can have a butch bottom and a femme top, they just don't like it and assume it's oppressive and male-aligned. If you do have a preference in either direction, they think it's some sort of sign of internalized misogyny and something you have to work on. They also think that being a top is a slippery slope to transitioning kek.

No. 263513

>>263317
hm i don't fully agree because plenty of l chatters sperg to death about how butches are man wannabes upholding unequal patriarchal gender roles to oppress "normal" feminine women like scrotes do, the femme4femmes there base their sexuality on being pure from anything that reminds them of men which is basically everything (their focus on men when talking about lesbian relationships is obsessive like a polilez) and they write essays bashing butches because "butches make lesbians look bad". that's political

i've even seen some start to bash femmes and say being feminine is just so normal it doesn't need its own word and femme was invented by butches. they think polilez only means bashing femmes for wearing makeup but they do the same thing to butches for not wearing it because it "aligns them with men"

No. 263517

>>263504
>I see lesbians get told they're acting like gay men for using the labels and I don't think that's fair.
I seriously think that's a part of the obsession with desexualizing lesbians, even in straight relationship people have varying preferences with sexual behaviour. Leaning towards being more dominant or submissive isn't some BDSM degeneracy, it's just how things tend to be and I hate how some people act as if everyone sexually healthy is just a strict 50/50 when that's never the case.

>>263511
>They also think that it's a roundabout way of butch-femme, at least how they view butch-femme.
Agree. My girlfriend is femme and definitely the more dominant one than I am as a butch, and it's clear it's them projecting their manhate (or more precisely in their case, hatred of masculinity) to butches once again. Butches are evil, violent, oppressive rapist male lites to them and they treat lesbianism as some fun girl club filling whatever emotional hole they're trying to patch up.

>>263513
This.

No. 263529

>>263504
lesbians who use top/bottom terminology remind me of gay men who call themselves goldstar - it's kinda weird and not really as applical. Back in my day, a top would be called a stone butch and a bottom would be called a pillow princess and so if you were neither you'd be referred as nothing, you'd just be a lesbian kek

No. 263536

>>263291
>femme/butch

don’t you lesbianons realize that those terms are just perpetuating heterosexual gender stereotypes? kek

No. 263538

>>263529
It's useful because most people aren't perfectly 50/50 and it can definitely lead to incompatibility. Stone or pillow princess means 100/0, top or bottom means something in between that and perfect 50/50. Stone also means you don't allow ANY touching back and pillow princess means you won't do ANY touching. It's a lot more extreme than how people understand top/bottom. I actually like that they separated it from gender, because butch bottoms and femme tops are a thing. I think it also became a thing because of dating apps and the disappearance of lesbian bars, it's just a way to make sure you're compatible, like listing love languages. You don't have to date the only other lesbian in town anymore and just pretend like not being compatible is okay. I also hate this idea that there's the antifeminist label obsessed stone butch + femme pillow princess and the perfect 50/50 wonderful "genderneutral" unproblematic uwu normie lesbian who is perfect and doesn't need any labels.

No. 263539

>>263536
You sound like the kind of person who will call a het relationship queer because the scrote is an agp

No. 263540

>>263538
nonnie, a top IS 100% giving, like how a bottom is 100% recieving. Anything else is verse, hence why I referred them as stone(butch) and pillow princess

No. 263541

>>263540
nta but I think this must be a regional and generational thing. In my area a top would be a lesbian who prefers giving but is still comfortable being touched, switch/verse would be a lesbian that is around 50/50 or has no preference. A stone butch is 100% giving only and doesn't want to be touched at all.

No. 263544

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>>263529
gay men have always called themselves gold star, there is an old joke that gay men who were born through caesarean section are platinum star because they're never touched a pussy in their entire lives

does anyone even have source for the tumblr claim that goldstar started as an insult, i only ever have seen whiny tumblr types to talk about it

pic related, some of you might not have even been born yet when this was added

No. 263553

>>263544
lmao i’ve seen the tumblr squad call gold star a slur cause it invalidates comp het lesbians. i’m comp het too and i’ll call myself gold star cause i’ve literally only kissed one man and it was during a game of dares and we both came out years after. he lives abroad with his husband now kek.

No. 263554

>>263539
no, doesn’t it make sense that you’re still abiding by gender roles? one woman acts out what we think a man is and another woman acts out in a submissive role, it’s incredibly offensive wtf

No. 263556

>>263538
I agree with this, sexual preferences are important when dating so I think these labels have some sort of use. On the other hand, I don't like lesbians (or gay men for that matter) who make their entire personality being a top or bottom, who don't understand that most people don't act in a 100% dominant or submissive way all the time within their relationships.

No. 263564

>>263554
>one woman acts out what we think a man is
You can't possibly say that, you know what men are like, right? They would never be as caring and chivalrous as a butch, they will never be able to empathize with another woman like a butch, they will never be able to pull off masculinity like a butch. Men rape, abuse, neg, expect their girlfriends to cook for them and do everything for them, won't wash their own asses, don't listen to their girlfriends and won't go down on them. Why the ever loving fuck would we ever want to act that out? You have no idea how fucked up it is what you just said and how misogynistic it truly is what you just said. Butches have a sensitive soft side a man would never have, not the way a woman has. If you want butches to transition, keep saying it's exactly like being a man or acting out what a man is. If you don't want that, then shut the fuck up, you know nothing.
>another woman acts out in a submissive role
There are strong dominant femmes who could kick anyone's ass, there are femmes who only top butches, there are femmes who only date femmes, but a fucking lesbophobe wouldn't get that.

No. 263566

>>263554
I think you're getting butches confused with drag kings there, nonners. Either that or you're completely retarded but I'm giving you the benefit of doubt here. I'm butch, I do not abide by gender roles because they're fake and gay. I simply wear what I like, have my hair cut how I like, and do whatever hobbies I like. I do not stop to think "would a man do this?" because I have an actual life. I assure you no butch is cross checking themselves with moids to follow male gender norms.

No. 263575

>>263554
this being your idea of what a feminine lesbian and a masculine lesbian is is what's offensive lol

No. 263578

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No. 263589

>>263554
did you even read the thread kekk people like you were just talked about

No. 263601

>>263554
Are you a polilez

No. 263604

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ladies(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 263618

>>263604
Delete this shit

No. 263624


No. 263666

Now I feel weird for wanting to both receive and give in the same session. It takes like an hour or two sometimes but I usually wanna do both lol.

No. 263679

>>263601
I'd bet good money she is.

>>263666
Give and receive what, head or strap? Or both? Either way you're not weird. My wife and I give and receive head nearly every time we have sex. Strap both ways not so much as I'm physically disabled and overcoming a big illness but we have done it a fair bit in the past and I'm sure we will in the future. I've also done it with a couple other partners. It does take a few hours and a lot of stamina but it's good fun. Don't let people meme you into being either top or bottom, stone or not. For the longest time I felt like I had to be the stone top because I'm a butch and no woman would want to do those things to me anyway but it's simply not true. I think there are more versatile lesbians out there than pure tops or bottoms.

No. 263687

I'm in my early 20s and I prefer to date older women. They have their shit together and are genuinely supportive and can take a joke. Unfortunately they're not really in my league because they're afraid of being seen as creeps, which I understand. I just want a gf who isn't a woke snowflake or troons out 2 weeks into the relationship.

No. 263689

>>263666
Same here, although there are times when I want to be especially dom or sub. I definitely don't identify personally as a top or bottom and I'm fine with that. It also depends really on my partner's preferences.

No. 263691

I'm 21 and almost(?) a virgin. How can I find a gf? I know this is a stupid question question but I live in a homophobic country and I don't know any bi or lesbian women irl. They are a lot of online communities and stuff but I don't know if online dating is smart.

No. 263692

>>263687
No offence, nonny, but do you have mother issues? 'cause I sure as hell do and in my late teens and most of my twenties I also preferred to date older women (most over 40) for their "maturity" but it was all a big cope. I've made my personal and professional life quite awkward by jumping into bed with any older woman who nurtured me in any way shape or form and mentally it kinda fucked me up too. I hope I'm wrong about you and I don't mean to offend you but I don't want to see anyone go down a similar path to me. I relate to not wanting a wokie or soon to be troon gf though. Just hang in there, love strikes when you least expect it.

No. 263694

>>263692
It's okay nona, I appreciate your concern though! I don't believe I have mother issues, I had a good and present mother during my childhood, and overall never have felt like I needed the sort of nurturing, in fact that tends to make me feel belittled at times.
Maybe it's all just me not wanting a woke troon who calls everything problematic or someone who's entirely dependent on me kek. Idk anymore, I'm waiting though lol

No. 263698

>>263666
>666
kek, but people talking about how a concept exists and isn't the most horrible thing on the planet, doesn't mean you're suddenly weird for feeling like it's not for you. You're completely normal, don't worry too much about it.
>>263679
>For the longest time I felt like I had to be the stone top because I'm a butch and no woman would want to do those things to me anyway but it's simply not true.
Which is why labels can be actually useful, because that is an assumption people still make. At least if someone has "pillow princess" in their profile I'll know to avoid and I have to indicate I'm "versatile", otherwise I will be put into that "stonetop" box anyway. Even without words like stone or top being in use, they will still project stereotypes from the 40's on butches, so actually having the language to explain what I am and what I'm not is useful. When I was younger I didn't even know what pillow princess, stone, butch, top or bottom was so I was just wondering why I was constantly treated like that and I just had no words for what was going on (I'm ESL and grew up sheltered).
>>263692
How does one know they have mother issues? Asking for a friend.

No. 263704

>>263694
Aight, sorry for sperging. Glad you had a good mother. Dating older lesbians is definitely safer politics wise. My wife and I are both 30 and the lesbian group we hang out with and go on outings with is mostly older couples as a way of keeping out wokies. It's a sad state of affairs that I don't trust lesbians my age until they've said something "transphobic", but you gotta insulate yourself from handmaiden shenanigans.

>>263698
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of labels. Without the word "butch" I wouldn't have met so many of my friends. I just feel that LGB circles can pressure people to adopt them too fast, now more than ever which is why zoomers go through them so quickly and have like a 100 past labels before finishing puberty. I used to think I was a stone top but now I just say "top leaning" as I can only bottom for someone I'm heavily emotionally bonded with because I have capital I issues about it (dysphoric, nearly trooned out, say no more). I also grew up ESL and sheltered so I get what you mean about the importance of defining yourself.

I'm mother issues anon and for me what helped is deeply examining my attraction to older women. Don't focus on the physical, but the emotional. Are you seeking comfort? Do you feel a deep satisfaction from the most simple acts such as cooking for you, looking after you when sick, etc? Also, if you interact with your mother still, is it because you want to? Or because you feel duty bound? If you still live with her, think about moving out, would you truly want to see her still? Honestly though, it's not that easy working it out. I only pushed my mother halfway out my life two years ago, I'm 30 now and still falling back on old habits and letting my sense of "duty" rule my brain so I end being a sucker that sends her thousands of pounds because she's hitting me with guilt trips.

No. 263715

>>263704
>now more than ever which is why zoomers go through them so quickly and have like a 100 past labels before finishing puberty.
Seems like that generally happens with the ones living in more progressive areas, I feel like a different species of zoomer sometimes kek
>but now I just say "top leaning" as I can only bottom for someone I'm heavily emotionally bonded with because I have capital I issues about it
Yeah I get that. I consider myself a submissive or service top generally, which maybe makes no sense, it does in my brain. Factually speaking I'm versatile, but I also can only bottom for someone I really trust. Once that trust level is reached, I'm completely fine with 50/50 usually.
>Do you feel a deep satisfaction from the most simple acts such as cooking for you, looking after you when sick, etc?
Hmm not really, I rather prefer cooking and doing stuff for others. I grew up without a mother, don't really know her and last spoke to her on the phone almost a decade ago. That role was taken up by other female family members since I was an infant and they did just fine. So personally I don't feel like I missed anything, but the mother figure is really revered in society. I'm practically hardcore ghosting her, because she won't admit she's an addict and won't acknowledge the reasons why she lost custody in the first place. So I wonder if that still leads to mother issues.
>I only pushed my mother halfway out my life two years ago, I'm 30 now and still falling back on old habits and letting my sense of "duty" rule my brain so I end being a sucker that sends her thousands of pounds because she's hitting me with guilt trips.
Ah that sounds rough, I guess I'm not missing much then kek. It's a lot easier to cut off someone you barely know anyway. Alternatively I do have a sense of duty to those female family members, but they generally don't guilt trip me or ask me for anything. It's more that I'm grateful they were there for me and they keep telling me to not get them a mother's day gift and instead save my money kek.

No. 263722

I feel like I've been such a faildaughter lately that coming out to my parents is the last thing I deserve to do. Like if I was successful in every other aspect of my life I could afford to let my parents down in telling them that I like women and I'll never give them grandchildren but right now informing them on this aspect of my true self would be like hammering the final nail in the coffin of their expectations of me would be so cruel as to give them a heart attack

No. 263739

I feel like I can't talk to lesbians I know about my body image issues because to a lot of them having a thin androgynous body is the goal. Just because I hate men doesn't mean I'm not jealous of girls with curves

No. 263767

>>263739
It might be a goal because of the fashion possibilities, but I always felt like curvy women are also more popular with lesbians attraction-wise.

No. 263805

i fucking love gerri from succession and deborah from hacks. the other day my gf asked what my type is and i said women who are nice to me and take care of me and she said it sounds like i want a mommy and i guess i can admit it.. i have mommy issues i love older women. luckily my girlfriend is three years older than me and takes care of me well

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>>263722
I'm sorry nonnie, I feel this too, even though I'm not in a culture that has strict expectations to have kids. I'm the oldest girl of my siblings and I still feel like I'm the least accomplished, I'm not dating anyone rn so I don't feel like a 'normal' 20 something and I'm stuck in a shitty retail job while my siblings have more career oriented jobs. I know my parents would want grandkids eventually but I'm holding my breath they don't expect any from me soon. It's hard to not want to disappoint your parents but you have to remember you don't exist just to please them (or anyone)

>>263805
I don't get why wanting a partner that is nice and to take care of you is mommydom stuff… Isn't that what you should want in a partner? I would get it if like you wanted a gf that did everything for you, but I would try to take care of my gf whenever she needed it & vice versa, I wouldn't expect one of us to do everything unless she was better at it and liked doing it more. Though I get the older attraction thing, I think I could date someone a little older than me (like early 30's at max, I'm in early 20s) I think this comes from just being attracted to people who have their lives more together than mine though

No. 263940

>>263931
>I don't get why wanting a partner that is nice and to take care of you is mommydom stuff… Isn't that what you should want in a partner?
You're right, it is. The problem is, people with mommy issues or something of the sort were deprived of that affection from a female parental figure as a child, and in adulthood may have problems with differentiating between romantic feelings or wanting someone to fulfil that emotional role. It's easy to be attracted to older women because of that.

No. 264016

Venting: navigating dating apps is a fucking nightmare. I'm pretty introverted w/ nerdy interests like playing video games, drawing, etc. It makes me feel like women are totally out of my league if they're not advertising that they're into the same stuff on their profile. I feel like if I match with some of them they'd just see me as a pathetic terminally online shut in (which is true). I genuinely feel inferior. I get matches and I know I'm not unattractive, I just never get pinged back by the people I'm really eager to pursue. It just feels like I'm destined to be alone. I'm tired

No. 264033

is it true butches do get harassed on the street? bc my mum told me not to cut my hair/dress how i want cause she's scared it'll happen to me and it's made me feel like i have to be feminine (even tho you still get harassed that way tbh but being butch seems more dangerous). idk what to do

No. 264055

>>264033
Can't speak for all butches, but I do get a fair bit of shit. I will say it depends on the area, where I'm from is… kinda scummy kek. The worst harassment happens there and it's even got violent a couple of times but if you live in a liberal leaning area you should be fine. You'll get annoying people singling you out and asking your pronouns because they think anyone GNC is a tranny but it's better than being called a dyke.

No. 264071

>>264016
>It makes me feel like women are totally out of my league if they're not advertising that they're into the same stuff on their profile.
My gf felt this way before we met IRL but it worked out so incredibly well. If your profile is too focused on hobbies and not your personality then that could contribute to your lack of ideal matches. Throw in something unexpected about you. Something that will break the mold of what one expects from "just a nerd shut-in". The less "starter pack" your profile, the more likely you'll land someone. Everyone looks like an NPC on these dating apps so anything atypical does grab attention.

No. 264080

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Sorry for the super retarded question but how do you protect yourself from std if your hooking up or starting a new relationship ?Obv most of the nonnas here who are sexualy active are in couple so it's not much of an issue for them. I only did stuff where I had no risk of std transmission longtime ago but now I'm a bit worried since I'm trying to date again. I know about the technical stuff ( dental dams or diy alternative ) but wondered how it actually roll out irl.

No. 264102

>>264080
I remember they used to give out dental dams for free at a local lgbt centre I went to in my youth, I also remember hearing alot of jokes about them "so has anyone in history ever used one of these things" and sticking with that theme I never ended up using the stash of free ones I had on standby. Even went through a sleeping around phase and I found nobody was thinking of barrier methods when it got down to things.

If you're dating with no overlaps you could just test at the beginning of dating

No. 264103

>>264080
>but wondered how it actually roll out irl.
Not quite sure what you mean by this but my advice is to just be upfront about it and tell whoever's trying to get into your pants that you won't do anything without protection. Most women are pretty chill, although occasionally surprised as lesbians can be pretty lousy about using protection. You will get a few who laugh you off but just tell them to GTFO. No woman is worth getting the clap for. I recommend using condoms in all situations as they're cheaper and easier to come by and once you know how to turn one into a dental dam you can do it quick enough to not ruin the momentum in the bedroom. Plus you can get the flavoured ones if you wanna try to break the awkwardness and make oral more fun with one. Most see it as overkill but I used to put a condom over my fingers too during sex. Fingernails can retain a lot of germs over the course of the day anyway so I dread to think about adding sex to that equation. I would make a habit of getting tested regularly too. When I was sleeping about I would get tested every 3-6 months depending on how many women I'd slept with. You should be able to find somewhere that can do that for free. Most countries have schemes to test people for free to try and lower STD/STI levels. Godspeed, anon.

No. 264174

>>264103
tbh just the name dental dam surely did not helped it to be commonly used. interesting to know how it was
>>264102

Thanks for the advice nonnies, since we don't see that stuff in sex aid and the online stuff is on the same level of text book explaination it help to have people talk about it more in context. Tbh I'm lucky the STD testing system is good in my country.
Also
>Most see it as overkill but I used to put a condom over my fingers too during sex. Fingernails can retain a lot of germs over the course of the day anyway so I dread to think about adding sex to that equation.

Do peoples don't regulary use nail cleaning brush ? As someone who get my hands daily covered in ink and paint this scare me

No. 264177

>>264174
I always use a nail cleaning brush but from what I've seen from past roommates and sofa surfing it's not a common thing which is why I was adamant about using protection on fingers when I was single. Thank fuck I'm married now, just thinking about when I used to sleep about makes me want a hour long shower.

No. 264179

>>264174
How many times have you gone into a public or private bathroom and seen a nail-cleaning brush next to the bar of soap?

No. 264180

>>264033
Sometimes, it depends on the area like >>264055 says. Usually it are just nasty looks from old people and mothers who feel like they have to protect their children from the scary dyke kek. It rarely gets violent, but it's possible. In liberal areas you're a lot safer, but you will be aggressively assumed to be a TiF from both political sides and one will constantly ask your pronouns and the other thinks "woman" is an insult and not a statement of fact. I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense, but they will legit try to use "woman" as an insult and it feels very misogynistic to try to turn a normal word into an insult.
>>264080
When I was younger I didn't even know there was protection needed for lesbian sex because sex-ed acted like lesbians don't exist. Only straight people, gay men and trannies. So I was an idiot, but a lucky idiot. Even if people make fun of you for it, insist on using protection.

No. 264210

>>264080
How topical I just found this

No. 264500

>>264210
lmao the dental dam make me want to use them as slingshot pretty hard

No. 264539

>what's your type?
My dream girl is
>butch
>like just comfortably masculine in manner and dress
>works an office job or something where she often wears suits
>also willing to wear the couple's outfits I make/pick out for us
>yumejoshi
>or at least nerdy enough to understand my husbandofaggotry
>smarter than me
>an attentive listener
>likes when I sing for her and pack her lunch
>strong, able to pick me up and carry me
>very affectionate
>slightly extroverted
>suspicious of the government
>lets me go down on her every day

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>>264500
I never knew wtf a dental dam looked like I thought it was something more like pic rel where is goes over your lips. That honestly is more appealing than the rubber sheet those look so clinical and unsexy it would kill the mood super quick. It does remind of those stretchy exercise leg things though I think I would just play with them like that the whole time kek

No. 264590

>>264556
I've actually put my custom mouthguard from my boxing days on as a joke to break the ice around safe sex with a few women lol. I find that as long you have a partner you can comfortably laugh with and doesn't take themselves too serious in general that it's never too awkward in bed. Women that try to be "smouldering" and sexy the entire time are doomed to have a crappy experience. Sex can be silly! It's ok to laugh about it! Laughing about it usually leads to better communication, and better communication usually leads to better sex.

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>>264590
While I was looking these up I found they have fang ones… ngl it might look stupid but it could be fun to play with different teeth shapes
I agree it should something fun to explore with someone and not take too seriously. I think it's one of the reasons why I'm not keen on hookups if I just met the person like that day. I'm too much of a introvert to really let myself loose around someone I just meet. I used to be envious of people who can jump into connections like this but I guess I'm just not like that? I'd rather wait and feel safe with someone I trusted.

No. 264651

>>264539
>lesbian and husbandofag
I've seen so many women like this and they always end up with men or keep talking about men to their girlfriends. Weird.

No. 264663

>>264651
I'm a fujo but my girlfriend is a husbandofag who finds IRL men repulsive. She just asks me to cosplay as her husbandos all the time and I'm fine with it kek

No. 264668

>>264650
>I'm not keen on hookups if I just met the person like that day. I'm too much of a introvert to really let myself loose around someone I just meet.
One thing I will forever regret is how the ~community~ in local gay bars told me to experiment and sleep around as a baby dyke. I'm painfully autistic and couldn't sleep with a random without being drunk and/or high (which naturally led to addiction problems) and as someone who struggled with being both butch and gay I got stuck in a cycle of:

>crave romantic and/or sexual companionship to tell me I'm not a bad person for being homosexual and GNC

>need booze and/or drugs to talk to people though
>end up having one night stands that do nothing to give me the companionship and acceptance I crave
>feel disgusted by my sexuality and try to supress it by not going to gay bars and meeting up with my friends who support my sexuality
>become lonely and depressed and unsure about my identity
>rinse, repeat

Sorry for the blogpost but I just want to say that waiting around for the right person is so, so, so worth it. I'm happily married now but if I could go back in time and do this all over again I would never have casual sex and only sleep with the girlfriends I had a real connection with.

No. 264678

>>264663
cute bisexual couple

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No. 264682

>>264678
>t. anon seething about not living the lesbian weeb dream life

No. 264705

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>>264539
I would have questions about how the husbandofaggotry works for you specifically, but you had me until the last point.
>>264668
NTA but how it went for me
>be only butch in town
>part of emo groups, where it had become popular for everyone to claim they're bi
>became designated person to experiment with, get ego boost
>most decide it's not for them and immediately go back to men
>lonely, feel unattractive because of aforementioned and just want connection so keep allowing being used for experimenting
I'm still not sure if I've ever had sex with someone who was actually attracted to me and not because I was just available and visible. I feel like I've been really lucky not to catch anything from that time of my life. Now I feel so emotionally stunted, more avoidant and while I'm far from a virgin, I still feel like I haven't had any real experience. At the same time I've also let myself get strung along by straight women who used me as some sort of celibate female boyfriend, until they got an actual one and it took me a while to pick up on how much of a simp I am. Bit of a mindfuck.

No. 264710

>>264682
I’m not seething. Be who you are. It’s ok to be bisexual ♥

No. 264775

>>264705
>became designated person to experiment with, get ego boost
AYRT and I know how you feel. "Bi" women often view butches as the stepping stone between heterosexuality and homosexuality and end up treating us atrociously. Every butch I've ever met has always had at least one bisexual woman horror story. The last bi woman I dated mindfucked me so bad I put my foot down and swore not to date another one. People can call me biphobic all they like, but when you're GNC it can be a very different experience with bi women.

No. 264777

>>264705
>you had me until the last point
Is this a personal objection or an ideological one? Sex is important in my relationships and my ideal woman would have the same values. Plus I just love eating pussy, what else can I say.

No. 264797

>>264539
hmm my dream lady is probably

>low femme

>soft spoken
>long, dark, curly hair
>strong nose but big eyes
>deep brown eyes
>soft body type, esp cute thighs
>wants to go to church together
>kind of shy
>likes when i take control but tries not to show it
>shorter than me
>likes the outdoors and will nap in a meadow with me
>nice singing voice so we can harmonise as we clean
>weird but not ashamed
>will sperg about folklore and the paranormal with me
>himejoshi
>loves cats
>wants to start a family
>book lover

No. 264806

>>264539
I'm manifesting her so hard
>butch or gnc
>strongfat? enjoys lifting and being active but soft tummy/thighs, not a gym rat
>spergy, able to monologue about her interests for hours while I relax and listen to her voice
>desires quiet rural lifestyle
>childfree but wants many cats
>outdoorsy
>not vegan
>loves when I cook for her
>shorter than me and likes being little spoon
>420 friendly
>not pretentious
>likes listening to me sperg about occultism and spooky stuff
>high sex drive, comfy with both recieving and giving

No. 264809

>>264539
The most important thing to me by far is having similar personality and interests so
>nerdy af
>openminded to trying new things, willing to go out of her comfort zone to experience new things
>polite and well-intentioned towards people and animals
>loves cats
but when it comes to appearance I'm way less picky. Honestly as long as we get along and have chemistry then that's way more attractive to me, but I do tend to have patterns in who I've dated before.
>mid length hair, around shoulders or shorter, preferably curly/fluffy
>strong fashion sense, can be either androgynous/masc or very femme, having a personal style in itself is attractive to me
>chest on the smaller side
>brown eyes
>slim, but some chub is fine, especially around the hips/butt
>cute face, big smile

No. 264819

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As young as I can remember how I think my adult life would have been, I never saw myself living with a man. I would like have a child or two but always live with a female, a sister or a "friend". Idk why it always appeared naturally like that in my mind, I always wondered if it was the same for other lesbian ?
>did you remember how you projected your adult life as a child?
>Did you saw yourself living with a man ?

No. 264826

>>264819
When I was 6, my male best friend and I decided we were getting "friend married" when we were older and living together. Of course we didn't know back then that "friend marriages" weren't a thing so we never got joined together in holy matri-homie. Aside from that I was generally terrified of my future. To this day I don't really know why. My only guess is that I was starting to realise I was "different" from the other girls and my brain tried blocking it out. By the time I was 13 I did know that I didn't want a man in my life but I didn't really want a woman in my life either. Thing is though, as a butch I've really struggled with female friendships my whole life. I was always the weird nerdy tomboy that none of the other girls could relate to so my experiences are usually different to more gender conforming women. I'm also autistic so naturally I was more inclined towards solitude. I did think about having a child, I thought it would be nice but I didn't want to do the deed with a moid and didn't know sperm banks existed back then. I always just assumed I would be comfortably alone until I got together with my first girlfriend and realised that I do enjoy companionship after all, with the right people. I'm now 30, happily married and my wife and I hope to start trying for a baby in the few months, fingers crossed.

No. 264838

>>264819
When I was a child I wanted to become a plant or animal researcher who travels the world and goes on adventures, yes I'm a sperg. I didn't really think about children or marriage. I did self-insert as the guy in some movies, which didn't mean I want to be a man, because most men in those movies aren't like irl men at all, I just really liked the actress. At some point one of my friends got her period early and everything changed, she wasn't allowed to play outside anymore and suddenly everything was about her preparing to become a good wife and mother. I freaked out and had 2 weeks I told everyone I was a boy because of it when I was 7. When I was explained in detail how pregnancy works, I decided I never wanted to get pregnant. Family members started freaking out that I wasn't growing out of being a tomboy and almost sent me to their home country for some sort of femininity training, I managed to luck out and avoid it. I started pursuing other girls when I was 13 (though most came to me)? I insisted I was straight though, because I was basically told that lesbianism is an immature thing you need to grow out of and nobody stays that way. Which was kinda stupid, since I stayed gnc, it was obvious what I am to everyone else anyway. The lesbophobia and some mild conversion therapy made me feel very conflicted, because while I never saw myself living with a man and never wanted to, I did want to be accepted, to be (seen as) mature, so sometimes I did wish I was straight. Especially when my father started making thinly veiled threats.

No. 264843

>>264826
Nonnie! I read this thinking this would be a sad tale of solitude but hearing your happy ending made me ♥ hope your baby comes out healthy, I'm sure babby will be extra loved with two mothers. I am really excited to do that in the future too.
Honestly I found your post quite relatable. For me, as a little kid it was
>cutting my hair really short because long hair was annoying
>wearing boyish clothes
>sometimes calling myself a boy (i am so glad 'trans kids' weren't accepted around 2011-2014
>being friends with mostly males but wanting very strongly for girls to accept me
>having one female friend who i was way too possessive over
>feeling guilty about hugging girls and avoiding contact with other girls
>never thinking about a future with a man but wanting a 'best friend' who i stay with forever and live with, pretending to be the husband of my best friends just for a giggle
Except for me, at puberty, I didn't think I was homo. I thought
>'kind of weird I don't find men attractive and I think of women like a man would', but it will probably sort itself out by the time I'm…18? Yeah! I'll like men one day!
And I remember in school many people used to call me slurs and I didn't know why. So I chose my male friend and convinced myself I liked him, except when he got romantic i just felt disgusted and avoided him permanently, all whilst having a secret 'involvement' with this other girl (who was a blatant lesbo in retrospect kek). I also watched tutorials on how to act feminine, wore skirts, pretended to like things my friends liked, and it kind of worked for a bit! I felt like I was going to be accepted into girl world. I just wanted to stop being seen as a weirdo/not one of the girls/masculine.
These days I have only just started allowing myself to wear clothes that are more comfortable for me, like I can wear more masculine clothes if I feel like it, and don't feel the need to pretend to like different things. I now know that because I'm a little different I think my life may be a little lonelier, but I'm not pretending to be someone else anymore.
>>264838
That's kind of sad anon. I think it's pretty normal for young lesbos see see themselves as men because they don't see other lesbians in real life, so liking women makes them feel like a man. I don't know where you grew up but it's heartbreaking that a little girl loses her childhood for the perceived responsibility of womanhood. I hope you're not in that environment anymore.

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>>264843
>I think it's pretty normal for young lesbos see see themselves as men because they don't see other lesbians in real life, so liking women makes them feel like a man.
I unironically cope by reading books by butch authors where they explain in detail how x character in movie is actually based on a butch and not a man, so if you identified with that character, you still indirectly identified with butchness or something adjacent to it. Maybe it's a retarded cope and butchwashing, but it works for me. I did pick up things from those men in movies and shows, because sometimes I did admire them, but someone like Gomez Addams is not exactly a source of toxic masculinity, so I think I'm fine. I still don't feel connected to womanhood, because I grew up in an environment where that meant straight housewife and it was always tied to reproduction, fertility and femininity. At the same time I've never actually felt like a man or truly wanted to be a man, because I started hating them pretty quickly and got upset when I was introduced to the concept of transitioning for the first time. I just feel like a butch female.
>I don't know where you grew up but it's heartbreaking that a little girl loses her childhood for the perceived responsibility of womanhood.
Biblebelt, it was genuinely shocking. It felt like living in a place where everyone is Carrie's mom (Margaret White picrel). The whole neighborhood was speaking shame of her getting her period early, as if she caused it herself through sinning or something.
>I hope you're not in that environment anymore.
I'm not in the most extreme part anymore, but also not exactly a liberal area. Though I don't know if I'd enjoy a liberal area either with all the pronoun stuff and I don't want to be interrogated about my gender (expression).

No. 264850

>>264843
I'm glad I could show you there can be light at the end of the tunnel! Also nice to know I'm not alone with wanting to be a mother. I feel like modern lesbian circles are slowly becoming against the idea of having children. From my experience a lot of women will turn it into a political slapfight and insinuate you're a misogynist for it. I don't mean women who simply don't wish to have children (I have plenty of friends who don't and I get it), what I mean is those who ideologically oppose it and are the types to post on r/childfree about how much they hate kids.

>>264846
Drop the butchwashing book links, I could do with some copium. I've always had periods of obsession with movie men since I was a tween where I've either been like:
>"Whoa, he's literally me! Except he should be butch instead!".
>"Whoa! I want to be him! Except butch!"
I also went through a phase of wanting to be called Johnny. Not in a troon way, but in a cool, butch way. Kinda still do, ngl.

No. 264854

>>264846
wtf? i don't get why there are places where girls are made to feel guilty for their biology. and when women go along with stuff like this it's extra sad.
i get not feeling connected to womanhood. it helped when i found a circle of dorky weird girls to be feral with, and a sports coach who was a masculine woman and mother who lived on her own terms. if i grew up somewhere like that i would have hated it too. i think 'biblebelt' means america? i always assumed america was really fair to women and that you had freedom, so it was sad to hear some people grow up like that. but yeah i know i would hate being around pronoun people too. it's a fine line kek
>>264850
the r/childfree types creep me out tbh. motherhood is very admirable, you're helping build society, and it's not like you stop being a human who does other things after motherhood, especially if your partner is supportive.

No. 264875

>>264854
>i think 'biblebelt' means america?
nayrt but yes, specifically it's the middle and southern half of USA (hence the "belt") and it's basically where Christian and "conservative valued" rednecks live. In major cities this ideology isn't as strong compared to more rural areas, but still most places in the south are full of Christians who will think you're a sinner if you aren't basically the reincarnation of mother Mary. I also live in the south but I lived closer to a city and had a breadwinner working mother so I didn't experience it as bad as the other nonna, but being in Christian spaces can be especially isolating.

No. 264903

I really wish I realized I was a lesbian sooner. I was convinced I was bisexual until my mid-20s, and I dated a bunch of men, had awful sex, and coped by watching solo female porn all the time. Now I have a girlfriend and actually orgasm during sex and never feel the urge to watch porn. It was only so hard accepting myself because I've always wanted children really badly. Not sure how I'll figure out ivf or adoption in the future but I really just still can't believe how delusional I was for so long.

No. 264907

>>264080
Sorry but whats the point ? there are very little chance to get std and the dental dam are gross and a pain in the arse.

Just be careful if you have cuts in your mouth.

No. 264929

>>264850
>Jack/Judith Halberstam - Female Masculinity
>Jack/Judith Halberstam - A queer time and place
>The Butch Woman Inside James Dean or ‘What Kind of Person Do You Think a Girl Wants?’ by Marie Cartier (her theory is that he hung around butch women and based his characters on them, because he was gay himself).
I was given a gender neutral nickname which I still prefer, so I get it.
>>264854
>>264875
Other countries which seem progressive have biblebelts too. I basically moved with catholic family to an area with the equivalent of FLDS or Pentecostal types. All the women had to wear long dresses and skirts, long hair is very important to them etc. My family is conservative too, but holy shit biblebelt places are on a new level. They even caused my family to walk out during mandatory (because of school) Christmas church service, because they implied Mary is a whore, like no woman is safe from scrutiny, not even fucking Mary.

No. 264933

>>264710
Honestly if gay men were larping as anime girls together with no interest in IRL women I would think that's the gayest fucking thing I've seen, it's no different with lesbians. Don't know why so many anons choose to die on the "liking unrealistic cartoon men means you love and desire actual men" hill when they probably wouldn't have a problem with anons simping female characters created by and for men.

>>264705
>>264775
Yeah personally my experience with bi women has been being treated as "male lite" i.e. someone they don't quite see as a woman but a more emotionally available version of masculinity. It's painful to listen to them gush about men that you can never become and you know they're most likely longing for the muscular, tall Nigel that they'd be proud to date and show off. I mean I absolutely understand why bisexual women end up with men out of convenience, it's much easier since you don't have to deal with homophobia anymore and having children is much easier, but they shouldn't act all hurt and offended when lesbians don't want to date you and don't start whining about how much you hate straight sex and miss having a girlfriend. You made your bed and now you have to lie on it.

>>264819
I had this weird thing where I subconsciously knew I was a lesbian but saw myself growing up to a straight marriage because I didn't even know you could have an alternative in my bumfuck conservative town. Yet at some point in my teens I realized this "husband" that I had made up in my head was actually myself and "me as the wife" was the girlfriend that I had dreamed of.

No. 264934

>>264663
>I find gay men attractive and my girlfriend finds men attractive
You're bisexual. I hate women like you who keep getting in lesbian spaces just to talk about men or faggots, fuck off.

No. 264950

>>264826
good luck for the baby ! If I ever find a wife and have a stable life I would love to have biological kids, but I'm freaked out because I would like to have a donour of my specific ethnic group or my wife's one and that probably difficult.

No. 264963

>what's your type?
Mine is
>A cute femme who likes cute things and lets me be her prince
>Likes artsy stuff
>A weeb and a fujo
>Has a similar life situation and lifestyle as me (stable white collar job with a college/uni degree, mid to high income, reasonably functional in everyday life, preferably a goldstar)
>Likes to joke around, bonus points for a dry sense of humor
>Likes spontaneous adventures and new experiences, enjoys traveling
>Loves animals
>Has a regular or high sex drive, dead bedroom is one of my worst nightmares
>Hates men but isn't an embarrassing sperg about it
>Supports me when I'm going through a tough time
>Is intelligent enough to be able to hold a conversation
>Has her own life and ambitions outside of the relationship
>Gets along with my friends
>Overall just not a crazy overly attached BPD-chan like my ex

No. 264965

>>264539

>cute features

>likes weird things and/or hearing about them
>wants to go urban exploring
>not super into any kind of astrology/tarot/other stupid spirituality shit
>weebfem & likes GL
>alternatively i'm kind of endeared by the thought of a normie gf who doesn't know what i'm talking about but is charmed by it. probably just like the fantasy of it more than i would irl though
>enjoys amusement parks
>those pointy canine teeth
>talkative
>pretty thighs and nice boobs
>not uptight and doesn't care what random strangers think
>wants to suck on my fingers and have me praise her

it feels indulgent to even type this out

No. 264967

>>264934
Anime isn't real.
>>264933
>I subconsciously knew I was a lesbian but saw myself growing up to a straight marriage because I didn't even know you could have an alternative
Yes same here. I was totally defeated by the idea that I'd have to marry a man because I knew from the start I could never love him. I'd be like "maybe it'd be fine if we were just really good friends…" kek. I feel grateful to have grown up in a relatively progressive area so I had the opportunity to date other girls and realise it doesn't have to be that way.
>>264965
I check all of these boxes lmao. Let's date

No. 264973

>>264950
Thank you! I'm incredibly nervous but also very excited and already knee deep in baby books kek. My wife and I have the exact same problem with donor ethnicity. When we were still trying to work out the specifics of when to try and where to have it done, etc, we tried finding someone who was my special blend of mutt but to no avail; and my wife was looking for months. I did try telling her I don't mind using someone who isn't a perfect match, but I can understand how she feels. We're now going to do reciprocal IVF because it feels more natural that we're both involved in the process; thankfully finding a donor for my wife's ethnicity is easier.

No. 264974

>>264967
>anime isn't real
Then why aren't there gay men who lust after anime girls? Gay men who are obsessed with yuri? You might be bisexual and that's fine but bringing up men you find hot, whether fictional or real, in a lesbian thread is inappropriate.

No. 264975

>>264934
Ugh i get so annoyed by ‘lesbians’ who can’t stop talking about men from books/anime. I hated myself for so long for not being attracted to the male form, or anything resembling a man, so I was so happy to find women who feel the same way. Someone is attracted to drawings of children, would you not think them a pedo? So why is being attracted to a drawing of a man not being attracted to the male form? You’re either biphobic, hate men too much to admit you may be attracted to them, or feel too ugly for a man so pretend you never wanted them anyway. To an outsider, someone who doesn’t use this website, they would think that someone who shlicks to a drawing of a man is obviously attracted to men. But some people here get so hostile about being told they’re not lesbian that no one wants to call them out. And with more posts about this here, I think people are going to get tired of it.
Then there are bisexuals who try to tell us that you can be attracted to the male form and be a lesbian as long as ‘it not real!’, and will come into spaces made for women like us to tell us we’re wrong. Just be who you are. Ok, so maybe you hate men. That doesn’t make you a lesbian. Being bisexual is fine, but lesbianism is not a political statement or a refuge from you issues with men. I just want to be in a space where I’m understood and there are people appropriating it.
I wouldn’t say a man who dreams of fictional men and has figurines of anime boys is straight.
Also, if you want to dress up as an anime boy because it feels more ‘you’, please go ahead. I’m happy to see butch acceptance in this thread. But if you’re attracted to males, fictional male included, and want to sperg about their bodies or how sexy they are, please leave.

No. 264976

>>264974
>>264975
Preach. We need to chase these fujos out on sight.

No. 264978

>>264975
>>264974
>>264976
Contain your sperg and dilate, samefagging retard. One anon mentioned in her "dream girlfriend" post that one of her qualifications is to "be a yume or at least understanding of her being one" among multiple others and you fucking lose your entire mind over that one part and write these exhausting, extremely projecting paragraphs about how your lesbian larp fantasy is ruined by fujos when the original post wasn't even about fujos but husbandofags.

No. 264981

>>264978
>samefagging
Damn, already at the samefag conspiracy level of dilating? That sucks. Also fujos and husbandofags are two sides of the same coin.

No. 264982

>>264975
THANK YOU. It's a bi meme, a total bi meme. If youre just shipping male characters without getting off to the porn I can at least understand that you're choosing to consume media that doesn't mistreat women or some shit but active husbandofagging and masturbating to men all day and calling it not real attraction? Copium.

No. 264983

>>264978
I'm the OP of that dream girlfriend post and I find it very funny how many anons derailed to scold me.
>>264975
None of the people defending fujos or yumes ITT were gushing about men or the male form or trying to convince anyone that they should be attracted to men, fictional or otherwise. It's literally just you samefagging and shitting up the thread. You are the only sperg here.

No. 264984

>>264983
It's telling when none of the posts mentioned anything else but "I want a yume gf" or "my gf and I are fujos" in passing yet these weirdos go on graphic schizo spiels about anons being biphobic fake lesbians masturbating to men and their male bodies and wanting to have sex with them and do their damnest to derail the thread even when the discussion is dead. Imagine being that insecure about your sexuality, I know enough straight girls simping for anime waifus without ever being able to touch a woman IRL to know that fiction doesn't necessarily mirror your real life preferences.

No. 264986

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>>264983
>I'm a fujo but my girlfriend is a husbandofag who finds IRL men repulsive. She just asks me to cosplay as her husbandos all the time and I'm fine with it kek
I want you to reread this sentence about you masturbating to men all the time and letting your gf pretend you're a man from her animeys and reflect, dear bi4bi anon.(derailing)

No. 264991

… Anyways, what were your first dates like? In middle school I invited my crush to come with my family to an amusement park. She was really nervous about the rollercoasters but agreed to ride the big one with me if I held her hand. Neither of us really acknowledged it as a date at the time (or at least we still thought what we had was just a totally normal female friendship), but after I actually asked her out in high school, we would joke around that that was the real beginning of our relationship.

No. 265010

>>264991
>tfw I've never been to a date
All my relationships sort of started on their own without proper dating, unless of course you count us hitting it up as friends at first and just going to do stuff as friends etc. I feel like this happens a lot with lesbians, like you just sort of grow together.

No. 265073

Interesting to see how anons asumed the stuff about the fujo anon. Attraction is really seen differently from people to people.

just wanted to talk about some stuff on attraction to male, your warned

I mean it's stupid to act like lesbian are blind and can't say was is an attractive male. Unless you have sexual or romantic desire toward them irl I don't really think it mean a lot. As a kid/teen I was comphet and acted cute/be flustred around them because I was an autistic weeb who tough that it was the only way to befriend them but I would never dated or have sex or have sexual toughts about them. It's not because you find some lad physically attractive or aestetic that you want to fuck them (ot but tbh would love to be vetting dudes to do match making for my het friends). I don't know a lot about fujo or husbandofag and I don't really understand getting horny at some twink dude fucking but I do get why dude acting gay is thrilling to some, it's "spicy"/ rebellious since it's not socially approved (but for female it appeal to coomer).Tbh I do find het obsessed over irl mens like jerma facinating since he does not fit any standard but is some kind of sex icon to a lot of people, I like joking about is dump truck with friends but would not want a piece of that cake obv. At the end being lesbian is about exclusively having sexual and romantic feeling toward irl female, if you fit the definition idk why you would be bi for other trivial reasons.(lesbian thread)

No. 265091

>>264978
>>264983
>>264984
not involved in this fight but isn't the whole point of yume is that you're in love with or attracted to the character and want him for yourself? so it's like husbandofagging. if it's just platonic feelings then they aren't yumejo, just simply a fan of that character?

No. 265098

i feel like all my favorite lesbian things are always being cancelled for being “terfy”. i already don’t like most lesbian media currently because i feel it appeals a lot to a certain crowd. older lesbian media or older lesbians are now apparently problematic and i don’t feel like being ostracized because i read social studies by fran lebowitz.

No. 265146

>>264967
all of them, anon… you're tempting me

No. 265241

>>264975
I agree so much. Whenever I go to online spaces for lesbians and see bisexual women sperg about men they wanna fuck, I remember my bi exes who would tell me the men they wanted to fuck as if that's normal. They're either straight and hate men too much or feel too ugly to date them so try to get with lesbians instead.

No. 265243

random anecdote: when i was a kid and weeb i used to read yaoi and bl because i was surrounded by fujos and every time there was sex scenes between the guys in the comics it made me so uncomfortable, i just thought reading it was awkward as hell and i thought to myself like oh no… am i a homophobe because i don't really enjoy that much seeing two males having sex like my friends do… lmaooo hilarious on the hindsight

No. 265264

>>265243
Bisexual fujos and straight women itt will tell you you're not a lesbian if you don't like yaoi and liking lesbian media means you're the same as an evil moid. Kek.

No. 265275

>>265243
>>265264
God you have your autistic containment thread in /ot/, why do you keep derailing this thread with this vendetta? It seems you're the ones more interested in sperging about yaoi and anime men than some anons talking about their dream girlfriends.

No. 265279

>>265275
You can't come to lesbian thread, talk about male characters and get upset people don't like it. Even this anon >>265073 got redtexted. Go to bi thread.

No. 265282

>>265275
i just wanted to tell a funny story in the midst of the fighting that's all

No. 265320

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>coming out story
So I was not coming out, but found out. In the worst way possible.

>be me, 13, hormones are raging

>i was mildly obsessed with mermaids ever since the tv show h20 came out when i was small
>so i doodle mermaids in my spare time
>think…what if booba…BIG BOOBA
>lennyface.jpg
>pretty much the babydyke version of the sketching scene from 'turning red'
>i cut out my booba mermaids and hide them in my schoolbag to look at later
a few days later
>my older sister is being a b word so i steal her tie and hide it in my schoolbag for the keks
>mum says i know you have it give it back or i'll scalp ur bahookie (ass whooping in scottish terms)
>i don't lose my cool
>she approaches my schoolbag
>i freak out a little too much 'MUM I'LL GIVE IT BACK NO'
>i give the tie back
>and my mum says 'what are ye hidin in there?'
>am covered in sweat
>she opens my bag as i freak out and procures my artwork
>'we need to have a talk about this'
>she shuts the door and we have a talk in another room together
>why did ye draw THIS? are ye gay?
>i am making some crazy excuses on the spot:
>i just…love art haha
>it's like societal commentary on how women are viewed (cringe)
>it's a present for someone?

in the end the drawings are binned and we never talk about it again. but i think since then my mum always kind of knew, and it was probably the most mortifying moment of my whole life. please tell me someone else has a more embarrassing story

No. 265324

>>265320
>it's a present for someone?
Kek this is so hilarious. You sound so chaotic.

No. 265338

>>265320
I think it's normal for girls to do this. That had to be a really embarrassing situation for you, but nice job on the attempted saves.

No. 265360

>>265320
anon this has me sobbing. do you still like mermaids?

No. 265367

>>265320
One time I'd just seen how anime thighs are drawn (please forgive me for my previous weeby indiscretions) and I just drew them (no body or head only thigh) all over what I assumed was my notebook, turns out it was the classmate who sat next to me's notebook. Unfortunately she too was a lesbian so she thought it was some weird flirting, I think I passed away for a bit because it's a blur what happened next but I ended up dropping that class. You are not alone.

No. 265382

>>265320
awh nona I hope you find the selkie woman of your dreams lmao

No. 265388

my mother found my reddit history when i was 12 lmaooo

No. 265394

>>265320
You remind me of my butt collection phase when I'd just cut out pictures of girls butts from magazines and hide them

No. 265408

>>265320
I insisted I was straight to family while being a tomboy who pastes pictures of attractive women everywhere (bedroom walls, closet doors, school locker, school agenda, etc.), drawing big booba anime girls and I didn't hide anything, except my exgf, but it was obvious what was going on. I was wondering why people called me a dyke when I'm obviously the straightest straight who ever straighted, which straight doesn't dance with a girl at the school dance while wearing a suit and top hat? I think it's pretty cringe that I brought girls up to my coomer tier bedroom from back then. I don't know if I was too autistic to feel shame, but my family doesn't believe lesbianism is real anyway. They only started freaking out real bad when I turned 16 and they started to get suspicious that I might not grow out of it kek. Some family members have accepted it by now, because I'm such an aggressively obvious case.

No. 265412

>>265394
all I can imagine is a little nonna protecting her girl butt pic cave like some rat

No. 265413

>>265394
>be you
>trip
>spaghetti falls out of pockets
>your plethora of butts fall out your pocket
>your great wealth of butts is guarded by the great dragon Smaug in a deep and hidden cave (shaped like a butt)
>you squirrel away your supply of butts in a tree for the winter
>>265412
I’m HOWLING at the imagery of the ass rat kekekek
>>265367
That sounds embarrassing enough to make me feel better lol
Anime thighs are supreme and I understand your interest
>>265408
Idk if we’re the same person here, right down to
>why every1 calling me gay??
It sounds like you were kind of a player though, hopefully the rest of your family accepts you.
>>265360
Not since that day, very tragic lol
>>265382
if i did i would be good to her and never hide her skins

No. 265417

>>265413
I was a player, but not by choice. Many wanted to experiment with me because of being very visible, but most went back to guys. I had a very bad success rate. Now nobody wants me kek.

No. 265421

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>>265408
LMAO i was also very insistent about being straight but i guess my dad suspected something when i begged him to buy me a ranma ½ book with this exact cat girl ranma in the cover, like my dad was just like "really? you want this?"

No. 265425

>>265417
Dw nonna we have a very small dating pool, you sound like a legend, top hat especially.

No. 265435

>>265425
I wish I could get my autistic retard confidence back, now I only have it temporarily in the gym or with sports.

No. 265602

Spent the weekend hanging out with a bunch of lesbian and bi female friends and had fun. We're all pretty squarely friends though so there's a weird sadness in knowing that even amongst a decently sized group of women, none of us had girlfriends or wanted to get with one another. We're already such a small minority, and then within that we also need to find the few people we have chemistry with. Still, it was fun to have conversations about girls we liked, or banged, or dated, or wanted to date.

No. 265641

>>265602
Are…all lesbians like this? Never making moves? I hope the memes aren’t real…

No. 265656

>>265413

Massive(butt)ly funny, ty 4 kek

No. 265662

>>265641
the focus wasn't on "not making moves" kek it was the fact that none of these people are compatible with each other relationship-wise or have romantic chemistry, even if they're all friends. just because two lesbians know each other doesn't mean they want to date each other. i don't know how you could have possibly read that as lesbians don't make moves

No. 265696

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i know i should not be angry but, when i was 12 i had this little middle school "girlfriend" and my older sister found out one day, and decided to tell our very religious single mom. she took me to her room and grieved in front of me, crying about how unnatural it was. i remember it weirdly vividly and i even asked her why it was wrong.

now 9 years later my sister comes out as bi & is dating a butch lesbian

>rage

>i don't really care if she was repressing or whatever she still threw me under the bus

No. 265736

>>265696
Average bi woman behaviour tbh.

No. 265737

head over hills w my hot bi roommate…. we’ve been hanging out together for like a week straight since I started summer break. like all day and all night. soooo fucking pretty. she looks like a mix of catherine zeta jones and rooney mara. i literally get wet just looking at her and she’s always wearing just a bra and boxers.

No. 265738

>>265737
Begone, moid.

No. 265740

>>265738
how is she a moid for expressing sexual desire….(samefagging)

No. 265741

>>265740
You're very obviously samefagging and honestly I'm an idiot too for responding but that post you wrote very clearly reads like an AGP trying to be "one of the girls" and initiate detailed sex talk because you've been coomditioned to think that lesbians act that way. If you wanna infiltrate this this thread to see if your shenis can still get hard after the titty skittles then I suggest doing your homework and learning how real homosexual females actually talk and act.

No. 265743

>>265741
you are retarded and very wrong but keep schizo-posting ig

No. 265744

>>265743
Thank you, I will. ♥

No. 265745

>>265737
This will not end well, I can guarantee it lol.

No. 265746

>>265745
maybe…. but she’s cute and im having fun(samefagging)

No. 265748

>>265738
>getting wet by looking at her
>she's 24/7 in bra and boxers
Samee. It sounds weird, even if she's not a man, why does she get wet when she looks at her gf? Why would a woman wander naked?

No. 265750

are u seriously asking why I get aroused when I see an attractive woman? we are literally on the lesbian thread…

also she isn’t ass naked her pjs are just kind of revealing and idk some women just enjoy showing off

No. 265790

I never thought I was into butches, but I'm currently spilling my spaghetti as a hot butch lesbian stays at my house. She's insanely smart, tall, and sporty. Being around her makes me want to get my life in order. She's a distant relative so nothing will happen

No. 265792

>>265790
Cousins by chance…lovers by choice… #farmersonly

No. 265797

>>265790
De/g/enerates….

No. 265822

Did the bisexual thread put a hex on this thread or something?

No. 265826

>>265822
Will this thread ever stop constantly talking about bisexuals and the bisexual thread?

No. 265827

>>265826
Will some farmers ever get the sticks out of their asses and learn to take a joke?

No. 265887

>>265741
typical polilez pearl clutching, lesbians that arent reserved and practically ace are akin to moids, hmmm? whats moidy about her post, specifically, enlighten me without pulling out seething lesbophobia. Plenty of women have come into this thread before and said they saw a hot woman they would like to preform sexual favors on her. Is it that she mentioned being turned on at her instead of going straight to describing her fantasies of sexual acts that triggers you so? Women have described much crasser to a positive reaction, which leaves me to believe the problem is with you and your delicate (paranoid) sensibilities. What is the "good" lesbian statement when a woman confesses her attraction? "Omg girls are so pretty!!"? Or "i want to braid her hair and hold hands!!"?

No. 265949

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I was such a comphet when I was younger it make me want to kick my formerself in the jaw.
Also if it was not shit enought I have no "gaydar" and the only girl at school who show interest in me is bi and cheated on her boyfriend with girl.
I wish I was not a stupid autistic lesbian.

No. 265976

>>265887
There's no good or bad lesbian, you retard. That post literally reeks of agp coomer and we had a few trannies when it was posted so anons thought it was made by a male. There are a lot more graphic posts that don't get banded like that because they're obviously made by women, not a man imagining two women. Women and men write sexual stuff differently. Thinking lesbian women get wet whenever they see another woman is scrote-like, so is imagining a hot woman hanging around naked to please him and give him boners.

No. 265977

>>265887
Doubleposting/samefagging because I just saw this but the agp literally samefagged so their sexual fantasy gets attention, see this where he >>265745 replied to himself two times and then got redtexted. It's literally a very obvious larp.

No. 265987

>>265976
>>265977
being able to recognize patterns makes you a polilez uwu

No. 266035

>>265976
well the samefagging is definitely indicative it's a moid but besides that specifically imagining a hot woman naked is actually normal kek

No. 266036

>>266035
tbh as a true and honest female i once had to change my knickers after speaking to a girl i liked for about five minutes so it could just be a hormonal lady kek

No. 266087

Is autist gymrat anyones type? like full on spergy autist too. just wanna gf who will watch jojos and raise cats with me.

No. 266093

>>266087
gymrat are such an interesting subculture. Jojofag too, and spergy as hell. What type of cat do you like ?

No. 266099

>>266087
Are you me? Are we going to make it?

No. 266101

>>266099
we’re gonna make it brah (sis)

No. 266105

>>266101
Will you be my wheyfu?

No. 266158

>>266035
Ayrt, he didn't imagine her naked which would be normal, he wrote about how the girl paraded naked in their house(classic male fantasy) in such a scrotish way. You can feel turned on by your gf or an attractive woman you're interested in but most women know lesbians don't just hang out in our panties and practice homosexuality in a performative way you'd see in lesbian porn made for straight men.

No. 266191

>>265887
Imagine having poorer pattern recognition and social skills than me, someone with terminal ass burgers. If you wanna talk to the AGPs that occasionally try their luck here then go ahead. But people like me that can tell the difference between moid fantasy and lesbian reality will continue to clock their obvious LARPs and tell them to GTFO, no matter how much you screech "polilez" at us. Seethe.

No. 266201

How do you all feel about sex toys? A part of me really resents the fact that some people believe women NEED toys (especially strapons) to have sex. That being said if anyone has any recommendations I'm sort of contemplating trying them out. I've only used external vibrators because penetration isn't super pleasurable for me honestly.

No. 266205

>>266201
32 single virgin here. (man that’s gross). i am very pro-sex toys. self or with a partner. i’m scared of them cause they’re so powerful but so many women swear by clit suckers. i ended up giving mine away.

I don’t know how toys feel like with partners. but i could never masturbate acoustically. putting my own fingers in myself feels like when the doctor does it. or like trying to tickle myself.

No. 266212

>>266201
I think toys are fine occasionally but I wouldn't want a partner that wanted to use toys every time. Esp a strap, I only want penetration around my period. I'd honestly be concerned if a partner was obsessed with only using the strap. If you want to use a vibe at the same time you could both lay on top each other between it kek

No. 266219

>>266201
When I'm with a partner strap-on play just isn't high on my list of things to do usually. Like anon above I mostly crave penetration close to or even during my period so I go solo with a toy. I can't personally be arsed initiating strap-on play with a risk of blood. Thanks body lol

I used to like Tantus toys alot but where I live now customs rates make them too pricey for me, I switched to Lovehoneys own range of silicone toys. Both have a decent range of harness compatible toys or offer bundles where you can buy the set together.

No. 266250

My gf doesn't enjoy penetration (and hates toys kek), so we don't use them. I like it a lot more… lots of skin to skin contact. I've honestly never used a strap so idk how they are, but like most anons here I'm only really into penetration a great once in awhile.
I've used vibrators on myself and I like them well enough, but I could take or leave them honestly.

No. 266258

i am not a male but please continue insisting I am. it is funny when people are confidently wrong.

No. 266261

i admit to samefagging…. yes it’s retarded but every time I post on here some paranoid repressed bisexual accuses me of being a dude because I find the female form arousing : /. I was just defending myself what can I say(:/)

No. 266266

>>266261
What are you so pressed about go eat pussy and relax

No. 266269

>>266266
you’re right thank u

No. 266292

>>266266
Because it's a male and he got exposed. Why else would he write a classsic straight mal fantasy and then reply to his own post then reply to that reply, kek? He saw no one interacted with his cheap fantasy so he tried to make it more believable.

No. 266309

I love women I love boobs I love women's shoulders I love women's hands I love women's wrists I love their stomachs and the happy trail that can appear on them I love strong calves and I love unbridled and unashamed laughter and I LOVE WOMEN SO MUCH! I spent so long not allowing myself to express this but I love being gay!

No. 266344

>>266201
With my gf we quickly bought sex toys. A strap but also bondage and a whip. It's ok but the installation time is annoying kek. It's less spontaneous. My girlfriend craves penetration tho so she loves it.

Also quite embarassing but using a strap quite worsen my dysphoria about having a penis.

No. 266346

>>266344
>Also quite embarassing but using a strap quite worsen my dysphoria about having a penis.
wait what

No. 266348

>>266346
Since little I wanted to be a boy. Then porn kinda fed this dysphoria - since it's mens POV. And finally yeah using a strap on a woman doesn't help to fight the dysphoria !

But no worries I know I could never be a man.

No. 266350

>>266348
Oh thank god I thought you meant it gives you dysphoria for having a penis. As in being a man larping as a lesbian.

No. 266353

>>266350
Kek i'm ESL sorry

No. 266363

just giving my two cents to this conversation: I haven't used toys during sex (have tried alone), but fingering is good / usually slightly involved. I also like tribadism, and clit rubbing. haven't noticed any particular craving or aversion to penetration, lesbians / bi girls on the internet seem more autistic about this tbh. Just going for expression of love & max orgasms, not a sex theory number chart/ sex toy praxis, lul.

No. 266364

>>266363
and not to be too graphic but:
eating a girl out while I grind on her leg until she comes & she then devotes attention to me >>>>

No. 266373

>>266292
what exactly would convince you, aspie? a timestamped karyotype? a personal vocaroo? profiling AGPs is your r