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No. 205289
>>205288Samefag, i hate how the genre was originally about deconstructing cliches but turned into its own cliche. Now villainess books don't show how female characters in otome games are written without depth, the villainess origin is just used as a tool to make boring cookie cutter MC's more sympathetic.
To make it worse the female lead character gets turned into the cliche that used to belong to villainess characters.
Even when novels like kill the villainess try to give all characters depth, readers start treating the female lead characters with the same misogyny that used to be given to the villainess characters.
No. 205293
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Is HameFura worth watching? Was it the first series in the "Villainess" niche that popularized this "genre"?
I know the fanbase is full of scrotes because muh cute girl and muh yuri harem, but other than those two things is it fine?
Also how close is it to actual otome tropes?
When it was new and exploded in popularity, I was happy but also felt weird about something otome-related becoming so well-known, it was kind of icky. The last time I felt like this was when WataMote came out and every cringe weeb in my language was joking about it, and that one also has a huge, gross scrote fanbase. I don't even know if the LN was written by a woman or who the main audience is supposed to be.
No. 205302
I don't understand the villainess trope in the first place, I heard about that angelique game but that's pretty much all of it? An entire genre spawned over one old otome game? Pretty much all otome games focus on the protag + the boys, I've never seen any rival or anything like that… this gente actually reminds me more of over the top kdramas and telenovelas that grandmas love to watch kek
>>205293And this one, I don't think I've seen any popular otome game feature so many girls. Very bizarre
No. 205309
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>>205302>I heard about that angelique game but that's pretty much all of it? An entire genre spawned over one old otome game? Angelique is not just "one old otome game", it's THE original otome game. I haven't played any games in that series, but that one anon did say that there
is a villainess in the first Angelique, and that this villainess genre started as a parody of that specific game, which I assume is relatively well-known by non-otoge fans, hence why the villainess parodies are not otome parodies, but Angelique parodies specifically.
Funnily enough, in an improved re-release called Angelique Duet, you can play as the rival.
>Pretty much all otome games focus on the protag + the boys, I've never seen any rival or anything like that…There are some games that have rivals, like Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side and Storm Lover, but from the looks of it, modern (2010+) otome games don't have them. Probably, in part, because there aren't any dating sims anymore, either, and all otome games are now just VNs, so there's not much you can do with a rival character if there's no gameplay to take advantage of it.
>And this one, I don't think I've seen any popular otome game feature so many girlsTMGS used to have 4 rivals, and there are a few otome games that have one female love interest, but yeah. I wonder if HameFura was written by a male, that would explain it and why it's so popular. Having half of the main cast be female when the setting is supposed to be an otome game is indeed pretty weird.
No. 205333
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>>205309Not in otomes but I have seen this trope in shoujo mangas/animes like yuka in 12 kingdoms.
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Concentration of malice or Depths of Malice.
She is a true villainess. I really like that she avenge everyone who rubbed her in the wrong way.
I love a good story with a badass female. It's very hard to find tho
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I just read this to completion cause it was thankfully only 4 volumes and while the story itself was kinda frustrating to get through, the ending was satisfying and cute.
>>205293So it's apparently written by Satoru Yamaguchi which sounds like a moid. I know this is a late reply, but I wouldn't recommend it. I remember this being my first step into the villainess genre and I was desperate to find something better after a few chapters.
No. 453764
>>453486Are there actually any villainess games anyway?
I've looked through vns and that never seemed to be a true aspect in the way they depict in these isekais and stuff
No. 512107
>>205288Your Throne and Death is the Only Ending for the Villainess are probably the best of the genre. I like Sister, I Am the Queen in This Life as well, but a lot of it is veritable misery porn.
>>205294Being a Villainess is Pleasant and Comfortable do it pretty well.