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>>>/ot/1852408 No. 1868024
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Nonnas, why do you think TIFism (especially Type A in picrel) is so common in fandom? It's like over the last 10 years every fandom has gone from mostly bi or bi-identified women to mostly TIFs.
No. 1868038
>>1868024I think it mostly comes down to escapism and lack of having a concrete identity; I have bi female friends who don't relate to stereotypical "bi culture" or other bi women they meet, and being "cishet" isn't cool so socially conscious straight women feel bad for being "boring". So when they relate more to male characters or BL (written by women), dislike most female characters and M/F, instead of being a fujo/BL fan they feel like they must not be women after all and nonbinary or a "gay transman". But I notice some GL fans in my circles have drank the "nonbinary AFAB" koolaid so I think it's mostly trying to be cool and LARP as oppressed labels.
Even on Livejournal in the 2000s there were jokes about how "there are some yaoi fangirls who go to far and try to get sex changes", and that did happen, but it was an outlier. I still managed to find 5x more women pre-Tumblr than transman/genderqueer/TIF types.
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>>1868024i will never get over the loss of bex taylor klaus. when will the transing of lesbians stop.
No. 1868290
>>1868038You just reminded me of these two troon cows from way back in the day, Ginsengteacat and the other was a religious nutter who went after fujos ala Paki-chan. I remember that the second one made tons of art depicting herself as a man because she hated being a woman so much, this was in like 2005 so way before the gendie retardation took off. Ginsengteacat used to shove hairbrush handles up her ass in the bathroom because she was an uke and then wrote about it in detail.
>>1868176God she looks rough. Has her forehead always been that massive or has the gender-affirming balding kicked in?
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>>1868290Looked her up and it's so weird seeing the standard schizo gendie existing back in 2011? Her art is fucking funny tho
No. 1868314
>>1868024The differences between Type A vs B is that Type A only identifies as NB/trans in an attempt to escape the worst parts of being female but also retain their femalehood (they want to have their cake and eat it) whereas Type B was usually GNC/homosexual from the start, so identifying is the terminal result of being alienated from their gender for so long. Either way, both are screwed by the oppressive constraints of femininity but statistically speaking heterosexual non-GNC women are more common than GNC/homosexual women, so woman-lite types are bound to be more abundant. Type C seems to be moreso a product of the current social environment where privilege = evil and not a personal hangup over being female a la Type A/B.
Despite what wokies might suggest fandom is still by and far a very “female” activity - it replicates a lot of the same behaviors and dynamics of female-dominated social circles irl - which would explain why it attracts normie non-GNC heterosexual women who decide to become women-lite. It’s not that Type Bs/GNC women and lesbians don’t exist in fandom, but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that fandom is a hostile place for women who are GNC/lesbian and not in a trendy way. Case in point: the lesbian butch x butch artists who get hounded to draw futa or moid gaze coom shit.
No. 1868324
>>1868290>GinsengteacatOh my God I haven’t heard about neo-classical-neko for so long, you just opened a floodgate of memories. Her brand of unrepentant weebery a la PT is making me feel nostalgic. Cows just don’t make milk like that anymore. At the very least, Ginsengteacat was relatively young (in high school in 2011) so her behavior could be excused by immaturity. Did she ever grow out of it? I think the last sign of her being online was in 2015.
Zerodomon was another fakeboi from the DA era. So it’s not like these women never existed back in the day, but they were the exception to the norm and they didn’t have a mainstream ideology to enable their delusional thinking.
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>>1868346yeah my troon radar already went off when i saw her in arrow years prior and noticed her name. it might sound mean/irrational but going by bex instead of rebecca was a red flag for me.
liv hewson who starred in santa clarita diet and yellowjacket trooned out as well. of course she has a history of eating disorders but OBVIOUSLY they were only signs of her being trans.
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this is just a regular fit man.
No. 1868458
>>1868425aside from voltron, free fandom was pretty wild too. i distinctly remember one bnf translating things wrong on purpose to give certain things more of a rin/haru vibe because they didn't like mako/haru and didn't want there to be anything in the show/movies/ovas that could be taken as a mako/haru hint. didn't fencer-x also translate certain passages from the novels about makoto in a way that it could be interpreted as him being suicidal? either way, the whole rin/haru vs mako/haru ship fight was exhausting. not to mention how often people misunderstood the characters to fit their own agenda. rin is
abusive, makoto is
abusive and codependent, haru is a spineless uke woobie who can't do anything by himself, etc. i feel like i have to rewatch it sometime so i can look at it with fresh eyes and form new opinions.
No. 1868471
>>1868429>>1868439Can someone who was into Voltron back then explain what the deal was with Sheith? I know a lot of the shippers were some of the annoying proship types but I never understood what made it so "
problematic" in the first place. I saw some people say it was a creepy age gap between a 17/18 year old and a 25 year old (even though similar ships like Akuroku or Lawlight were considered fine years ago) and they're basically brothers, but others said that the ages weren't directly confirmed or Dreamworks implied they're around the same age and the brothers is basically a headcanon. I also saw a lot of anti-Sheith types cheer on Shiro being given a dead boyfriend and marrying some random minor character guy because it "sunk the ship" even though canon has never stopped people from writing fics (see Harry/Hermione).
No. 1868481
>>1868471Basically klance shippers made sheith out to be the most
problematic ship to ever set sail because like you said, there was an age gap (mind you keith was 18 at the beginning of the show) and in the show one of them says something like "he's like a brother to me". So to the fans on the opposite of the ship war, an age gap + brother figure = pedophilic incest ship so it gave them a feeling of moral superiority to ship klance over sheith kek
No. 1868484
>>1868471It was a classic nurturing character (Shiro) paired with a more erratic, brooding character (Keith). Pretty common in one form or another, think of how Katara was Aang's rock in the modern era as an example (though Aang was much happier than Keith). I'm pretty sure the ages weren't known early on which certainly helped. I knew Shiro was older but thought it was more like 18 years old vs 20.
The biggest retards by far were the ones who thought Lance would go gay. He was always blatantly going to pair with Allura or Pidge before they changed her from girl in disguise to full blown gender nonconforming androgynous.
No. 1868492
>>1868458>fencer-x shenanigans with her anti-makoharu/pro-rinharu agenda>that time she blocked all Japanese IPs from accessing her scans site so doujinka couldn’t find their doujinsAhhh, I forgot about the MakoHaru vs RinHaru ship wars of 2015-2016. By and large Free was a pretty wholesome anime, nothing
toxic or
abusive or edgy to be found there. But the MakoHaru vs RinHaru ship wars was another textbook example of people weaponzing SJW logic to use as ship war fodder. Iirc unlike Voltron, the ship wars were pretty self-contained within the fandom though. What made Voltron such a dumpster fire was that the fans had an unprecedented level of access to the creators, which made them feel brazen enough to demand they change the story to their whims.
Side note but interestingly Voltron and Free were the first fandoms to have notable large-scale, fandom-wide M/M ship wars. I always associated wank-inducing ship warfare with M/F pairs (Harry/Hermione vs Harry/Ginny vs Dramione, Kataang vs Zutara, Ichigo/Orihime vs Ichigo/Rukia, Tai/Sora vs Matt/Sora). You’d have M/F and M/M butting heads (Sasunaru vs Sausaku, F!Byleth/Edelgard vs M!Byleth/Edelgard and F!Byleth/Dimitri for the rare F/F vs M/F example) but M/M fandom wank was usually top/bottom discourse like the perennial SasuNaru vs NaruSasu debate.
No. 1868510
>>1868425Any from any c-drama/danmei. The character loves art and calligraphy and isn't a fighting master? Is a TIF!
Western fans ignoring that men were used to learn about art and calligraphy and be able to have education back in the old China, while women couldn't do it because they were used for house chores and sex. Hell, even in the lore of Mulan, the biggest danger for her wasn't being killed by the huns, it was to being discovered as a woman trying to fit in the army.
No. 1868511
>>1868484>I'm pretty sure the ages weren't known early on which certainly helped.i still remember when they went up to the voice actors during autograph sessions, shoved their phones in the va's faces and interrogated them on the ages while filming them. they were basically questions like "how old is shiro? would you say 20??" and the voice actors would be like "huh, yeah, sure?" and then they'd ask keith's age (16 or 17, i don't remember exactly) and the voice actors agreed again. then they uploaded that shit on twitter and proclaimed that the voice actors had said that keith was a minor and shiro was an adult and therefore sheith was pedophilia. for me, that event marked the beginning of the end for fandom as i knew it. it all went downhill from there.
>>1868492kek, fencer-x is honestly such a cow. she's pretty boring now but i still remember when she published her book under her author pseud blayre delecour.
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>>1868471Keith was a slut and Shiro would fix him with his dick.
No. 1868554
>>1868552It was because Allura turned out to be a teenager and Shiro turned out to be canonically gay.
It’s not even like it was a ship with any chemistry or scenes to begin with though it was pretty much just a side ship to Klance to keep Shiro away from Keith.
I was into Lotura personally though, they should have had tons of elf babies.
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No. 1868604
>>1868492Ehh, Homestuck had some big ones like Gamzee/Tavros vs Karkat/Gamzee vs Tavros/Vriska or Eridan/Sollux vs Eridan/Karkat. I guess the difference there was that every faction was fighting at once.
>>1868520Confirming ages was the worst thing the Voltron writers could have done. They should have stayed as vague as possible about how old the characters were to avoid fanning the flames.
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I just saw a youtuber i hate with a tshirt of my favourite obscure show. Nonnies i am not ready for him to drop a 2 hour long poorly researched video about it and fill the small fandom with zoomers. I love that show so fucking much and it has my husbando on it, and i just know my husbando will be catnip to these zoomies. I am not ready.
No. 1868797
>>1868789i would rather not say but its very old. It feels like every niche cartoon i like is becoming popular out of fucking nowhere lately. I hate it so much.
>>1868792kek i am surprised rebeltaxi hasnt done a video on it.
No. 1868824
>>1868809>Is it okay for straight women to write about lesbian relationships, similar to how lesbians write about relationships involving menWhy wouldn't it be
>why isn't it as widespread as say the whole lesbian fujo phenomenon?Straight woman care less about F/F content than any other dynamic because it's gay and involves no men. Straight fujos can be explained through there being men and lesbian fujos can be explained through it being gay content (people are probably gonna debate if they even exist to begin with so let's just assume they do). Yuri for straight women is basically multiplying 2 aspects they're less likely to be interested in with shipping so obviously straight himejos are practically non-existent.
No. 1868846
>>1868809Ngl I don't care for yuri in the slightest but when I tried thinking of an isekai plot for fun it turned out to be one.
Stuff like that has to have the right characters, I guess.
No. 1868863
>>1868809I honestly believe that everyone should write whatever they all want to write as long it has a meaning.
I'm sick of people believing that your creations have to be a 1on1 mirror of yourself. It's basically why you have retards trooning out, because then they also assume that all the media they consume must also be an exact mirror to what that person believes.
I don't get whag causes thay menthol Illinois, but it's getting obnoxious at this point.
No. 1868865
>>1868520It makes me think now if the correct maneuver would be to only confirm an approximate range of ages. Still invites agecourse especially if bitter shippers choose to envision the greatest age gap possible, but it also could be something like an X system, like 1X, 2X, 3X, 4X, so on. I don't know, I think voltron spawned legitimately the most terminally online way of looking at age gaps. Not only do half the arguments do not fly in real life, it's like the butthurt shipper's golden bullet to killing a ship you don't like. Two characters in their mid to late twenties or early thirties have an age gap are are in close contact with each other because they hold the same job position or are in the same adventuring group or whatever? Aw, well, fuck. Might as well be a 40 year old trying to get in a 14 year old's pants. Shoehorn in a little parental coding and sibling coding and you've got a surefire way to just call anyone who ships your NOTP a pedophile incest supporter. And then you go and see said pedophilic incestuous ship, and it's 2 complete strangers that are 25 and 30 or something.
No. 1868879
>>1868865>it's like the butthurt shipper's golden bullet to killing a ship you don't like. Two characters in their mid to late twenties or early thirties have an age gap are are in close contact with each other because they hold the same job position or are in the same adventuring group or whatever? Aw, well, fuck. Might as well be a 40 year old trying to get in a 14 year old's pants. Shoehorn in a little parental coding and sibling coding and you've got a surefire way to just call anyone who ships your NOTP a pedophile incest supporter. And then you go and see said pedophilic incestuous ship, and it's 2 complete strangers that are 25 and 30 or something.I remember seeing this type of age gap discourse over Overwatch characters. I never got into that series either so I have no idea if some ships really were what they were accused of being (doubt it), but it was so weird to see "X is a
problematic grooming ship" and I would check wiki and the characters in question were like, all in their 30s and above. I get that "legal" age gaps can still have ethical issues in real life with maturity and life experience differences but I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of adults over 30 can be groomed.
No. 1869135
>>1868846It wasn't one of those Isekai stories, but a fanfic with an AU setting. The main character was a gender-nonconforming gay woman who had a group of friends that kind of resembled a harem, but it was more like a close-knit circle of pals. They all hung out and did stuff together, but there was only one of them that she got physical with (though I never really pictured them making out or anything like that).
What threw me for a loop was that this was during my fake lesbian phase, and I was so deep into it that I didn't even question my own feelings, even with all the signs pointing to the fact that I might not be gay. It wasn't until I had my epiphany that I realized I wasn't actually into girls. I'm glad I figured that out, because being a lesbian comes with its own set of challenges, and I didn't want to mess with anyone's feelings just to find out that I wasn't actually into them. Good thing I got that sorted out before third base.
>>1868950It's instinctual, but they dismiss it as their nature. Oh, of course I, a "gay trans man" (straight girl with extra steps), would only like BL/YOAI; it's hardwired. By this same logic, countless women who stumble upon fluffy yuri slop are quick to call themselves bi or true and honest lesbiabs because, Lord forbid, a straight woman enjoys the romance of orientation. This mentality ruined me as a young woman, and it was not until the events mentioned that I pulled through the dirt and into the sun. Fuck the nu theory of comphet and the masterdoc for all of it because, before then, most female dominant spaces were free of this crap. Now it's brimming with he/him nb lesbians who tote like girls but barf at the sight of puss puss. The real ones are waning by the number as the older, saner ones just fuck off.
On a less gay note, I recalled Turning Red's consensus split between those who loved the movie because of my muh rep and those who hated it because they couldn't relate to MC. I know some farmers have differing takes on the film, but I came out kind of lukewarm. It wasn't anything special, but the whole thing set off a culture war thanks in part blatant and utter autism.
No. 1869138
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It’s all tumblr’s fault
Tumblr stagnated our expectations of female characters and representation so badly
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>>1869138The thing is that "badass" characters Interpretons by fandom (whether male or female), genuinely make the characters lamer. This is because these are people who don't have a true understanding of what makes someone truly badass or tough. They have them wear leather jackets and try to act tough, and give them a "no-nonsense" attitude, but actually come across as severely autistic and rule in real life. It's all really superficial and dated.
No. 1869191
>>1869159what do old-school, out-of-touch executives get out of these? More pink bucks and brownie points? And it's quite weird that most of so-called "strong" female characters, despite their supposed empowerment, come across more as insecure scrotes than genuine women. Instead of teaching young girls they can accomplish anything, most of their "messages" are girlbossing their way into self entitled bitchdom, straight up criminal acts, and demoting femininity in favor of fake manufactured aesthetics. Deviance to the norm are pushed back in favor of corporate mandated libfem crap. That panel encapsulates everything wrong with modern character writing and all it's superficial nonsense. Jfc, the dialogue cringes my insides like i'm reading shitty yaoi doujinshi with a poor scanlation. to whoever wrote this, I hope your car gets towed. Don't ever wanna see this again.
sorry for the rant, nonnies…i'm tried.
No. 1869199
>>1869159I felt like I was having a stroke or a prank played on me reading those speech bubbles kek
You're right about badasses though. There was this video on youtube years ago about GoT and the way popculture was fixating on badass moments and characters from the show, always think of it when the topic comes up. 'Badassery' often flattens/cheapens characters because it's just blatant spectacle (sometimes with a very nasty undercurrent too– I guess it'd rub me wrong less if it was just about cheering for cool guys walking away from explosions, rather than calling a character a badass for setting someone else on fire and smugly staring off into the middle distance as the screams die down).
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>>1869159Jfc that pic. Words, words, words. Would it kill comic book artists to split it over a few panels?
That comic also had this weird af "Holy Menstruation" line. Who says that? Who would think that's good? The whole thing feels like it was written by a faulty AI
No. 1869210
>>1869200haha silly anon, sounds like you think comics are some sort of illustrated visual medium and not a vehicle for text boxes. Rookie mistake.
That comic was a real fever-dream, can't believe it got published. iirc the author was pretty cowish about it as well at the time
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>>1869207Surprisingly not, it was not written by Gabby Rivera, who won a bunch of awards for memoir as a plus-sized, Latinx butch woman. She was basically given this character and free rein to do whatever she wanted, and she gave us this mess amd the backstory she wrote for America Chavez was just absolutely hilarious. So, Chavez comes from a universe outside space and time, populated entirely by lesbians (though how they reproduce is never explained). When she's separated from her mothers, she finds her way to Earth as a pre-teen and basically sees a bunch of brown people being "Latinx" and goes, "Oh, that looks cool, I’m that now." I'm not kidding, that's her actual backstory
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>>1869214I Googled her and she looks exactly what I'd expect someone who'd write that comic to look like. Also who wears a shirt with a quote by themselves? How vain are you?
>>1869223It's gringx nonna. Please try to be respectful
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>>1869214>Gabby RiveraOh yeah, miss "do not dare to call me a white latina because I'm a latinx and I hate white people. Did I mention I hate white people? I'm a latinx!".
>>1869210I still remember when certain board trolled her with picrel. After they find out, the mail responses were closed.
No. 1869283
>>1869214jfc, the word latinx makes me want to a-log so hard.
>>1869138Reminds me of the whole "a badass female character needs no help, has all the guns and is stoic as fuck" the whole stoic personality is my most hated tbh
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>>1869404The thing is, even in male power fantasies, there's still a struggle, and they have to face stronger opponents and overcome them. I notice that troons, enbies and modern writers always have their characters effortlessly beat their opponents and state how badass they and we are supposed to buy it, to the point where it comes across as childish.
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>>1869214So she's a weaboo but from "Latinx" culture?
No. 1869437
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>>1869414That bottom right panel is giving me "I'm heckin
valid and you will let me in the women's bathroom" troon energy.
Here's some other shit from DC.
At this point I'm convinced that comics are being funded by the big film studios to throw as much crap at the wall and if it does well on Twitter then they can make a movie from it. One single Manga does better than the entire Western comic book industry. It's no way profitable.
No. 1869448
>>1869416The best example is Harry Potter and to this day I feel like I'm taking crazy pills whenever I see people IRL talking about le ebil JK Rowling.
Like. Girl. You all were in lines to watch the movies and you all consoomed all of the merch of Harry Potter until one day, JK Rowling, the absolute queen, decided to say that she didn't want to ignore biological reality even though
*she still supported troons. And now everyone is saying that she literally killed trannies or that she's basically Hitler like. What?
So now you're not allowed to even reference it casually because, it's like a switch activates something in these people's brains to say a weird discourse about how JK Rowling is literally evil and how trannies are totally right about mutilating their own bodies and promoting their bullshit.
Like, what are they all going to do with the merch, the inspiration, the references, the tattoos, everything?Harry Potter is so fucking iconic that it's like getting mad at people for drinking water. But activism is making a bunch of sheep struggle to enjoy whatever they like for the sake of… I don't even know, for the sake of being seem more righteous?
In conclusion, I feel like we will never be better as a society until we don't learn to separate activism from our lives, because this shit is what makes people make fun of Bible thumpers and other insane fuckers that wish to live in the past and so on.
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>>1869442The worst part is that there are Indie comics that are legitimately as good as manga, but they don't get enough attention because they aren't set in the big mainstream universes. and the authors usually don't want to lose their intellectual property, so they don't want to work for them either.
No. 1869458
>>1869437>At this point I'm convinced that comics are being funded by the big film studios to throw as much crap at the wall and if it does well on Twitter then they can make a movie from it. see point
>>1869226 from a lizard brain capitalist perspective, it kinda makes sense. The movies make hundreds of millions of dollars already (with some recent exceptions), and they have a nearly endless amount of story arcs to choose from. The current comics were already not doing well, so they hoped to attract more younger readers by bringing in various new writers who were popular in the YA scene. However, these writers ended up creating essentially power fantasies that only appealed to their type of upper class liberals and despite winning loads of awards, the comics didn't sell well.
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>>1869450It's odd. It seems like the US is obsessed with Superhero stuff. Indie stuff gets pushed out by that fixation. Italy and France do loads of cool comics over many genres but very few actually make it to English. I had only learned recently that WITCH was an Italian comic book. I loved WITCH as a kid, I want more cool magical girl stories. Manga is a thing but it's a coin flip if it's going to suddenly have weird horny shit in it.
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>>1869462Didn't it have to do with the comics code making superheros the go to comic type?
No. 1869510
>>1869450>The worst part is that there are Indie comics that are legitimately as good as manga, but they don't get enough attention because they aren't set in the big mainstream universes. and the authors usually don't want to lose their intellectual property, so they don't want to work for them either.Why is the western comic industry so fucked? Genuinely. Everything I hear about it is fucked, even when it comes to webcomics these days. It feels as if comics aren't taken seriously here and western publishers are either idiotic or don't care, and obviously nobody wants to sign their darling IP away to a retarded megacorp. Here in the west it's either used as fastfood entertainment or as a means to push the latest representationslop that isn't even well done. Not that the manga industry is perfect, obviously, I think a lot of people in this thread are weebs enough to know the fuckery that goes on behind the scenes. But if the bar is in hell and western comics can't meet that, kek. If I wanted to make a comic, webcomic or even manga I'd be utterly blackpilled right now. Every major publisher or webcomic platform seems to have some major hitch or other.
Not to mention I think it's beginning to get into a vicious cycle. Nobody wants to read western comics because they automatically assume it's going to be capeshit slop and of lower quality, and so on and so forth. Why take a risk on an indie western comic when you can read a manga?
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>>1869505This explains a lot. Crazy how a country built on free speech can have this level of censorship. Imagine crippling an entire medium for family values or whatever.
Also rule 13
No. 1869523
>>1869437I think it stems from a couple of related reasons.
First is that the current environment does not encourage somebody who cares about their art to tie it to a corporation. These jobs suck, the pay is crap, the security isn't there, you have to deal with whatever Twitter thinks of you on a given day, constant whisperings, and the big companies are risk adverse which means you have to write the newest Batman reboot instead of getting your own title. It's much more rational to get a stable job in something else and draw a webcomic or publish your writing on Kindle Unlimited as a side hustle. As a result, media companies are now forced to scrape the bottom of the barrel and get some of the worst writers and artists imaginable who somehow still carry the "professional" label.
The second is just how many factors contribute to the above risk adversion. These are media companies with a format from yesteryear, facing challenging economics, with a very poor talent pool. They know they aren't going to be getting many pop culture defining runs like Gwen Stacey dying or The Killing Joke out of what they have to work with. Instead they cast the widest net they can and let the (bad) writers go crazy because maybe the comic will at least catch the eye of a popular LGBT blog or something. This will go on until they have confidence in their normal readership, which will never happen because the normal readership already lead these companies into economic crisis decades ago even when it was larger and it has become overburdened with political infighting and exhaustion over an ever increasing number of reboots, reimaginings, and limited time events meant to draw media hype.
TL;DR current comics quality is to be expected because it's a predictable playbook used by companies that should have folded 15+ years ago.
No. 1869551
Honestly why would Americans really give a shit about comics when they have fucking Hollywood giving them plenty of movies and TV shows with a variety of genres and target demographics, which can be excellent, horrible or anything in between? To be honest if nowadays' American comics are still indirectly influenced by this
>>1869505 and directly influenced by
>>1869523 while American shows and movies aren't yeah no shit people are going to just watch the movie adaptations. We made a comparison between American comics and manga, but I'd say in Japan the reverse is true, you have plenty of more or less successful J-drama out there but Japanese people can just go buy whatever magazines or manga for very cheap anywhere, buy long manga series for very cheap in second hand stores fairly easily, read the first volume, then the second one, then their third, etc. and there are a bunch of different genres and stories, both good and bad, some directly pandering to specific age groups and/or genders so manga are more successful there. And many dramas and anime are manga adaptations too.
At the end of the day it's also a matter of what's competing against American comics in America as well, not just abroad. Here in France most TV shows and movies suck ass on average and very successful French actors and actresses are known to get work in American movies at some point like Marion Cotillard, Omar Sy or Sofia Boutella and you're more likely to find people who like American or British shows and movies here from my experience. Meanwhile, European comics here are fairly successful, and we're the second biggest consumers of manga in the world right behind Japan because we've been getting anime on TV in the early 90s and they were way better and more fun than the local TV shows for kids back then despite the crazy horrible dubs and censorship.
No. 1869831
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cant they just compliment authors who draws and writes well normally.
No. 1869883
>>1869831She just drew orcs and dwarves in a way that they look like orcs and dwarves.
The fourth image isn't even a guy, just a skinny elf woman. Talk about jumping into a show for popularity's sake.
No. 1869887
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>>1869877Do you really expect the dwarves to be the pretty boys?
No. 1869891
>>1869881I recently watched lotr for the first time and loved it, and liked Gimli a lot because he was funny but he wasn't a fanservice character posing half naked feet first in the movies like the dwarf in the tweet so it's so really a good comparison imo.
>>1869887No, and I also didn't expect some twitter dumbass to find them hot and "so gender" either yet here we are.
No. 1869996
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>>1869831This is a satanic transhumanist propaganda that I refuse to fall for
No. 1870027
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This is why you should not be a fandom artist and try to focus on issues that are beyond our debts. You can't create artwork about the suffering of an ethnic group and then post some funny yaoi the next day.
No. 1870210
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>>1870027This conflict is just a perfect showcase of how out of touch these people genuinely are. Regardless of how you feel about it, we can all acknowledge that this is serious and something you can't make light of. I'm sure these people think they are taking it seriously, but they are so out of touch and soft that they can only see this conflict other then from a warped perspective influenced by years of fandom brain-rot. They use fandom names, form para-social attachments with media figures, and make corny fan-art of anime characters going "#FreePalestine" and not even comprehend how awful this ends up seeming.
No. 1870218
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>>1870210I don't have words to describe the emotions this makes me feel
No. 1870227
>>1870210The fucking Ultraman fanart… How are they not at least a little embarrassed? The last time I saw this much autism and disrespect during a horrible event was when there was that one terrorist attack in Norway in 2011 and Hetalia fans wouldn't stop posting art of the corresponding character crying or getting shot like the actual
victims just a few hours later. For some reason I thought it wouldn't happen again after the backlash the "artists" received back then.
No. 1870293
>>1869437no tim looks like this
>>1869448and what jkr said is so tame. many male authors have said and done more perverse shit, even about troons, but shes an easy target because shes active in social media and her (former) fandom is kinda insane. reminds me of the hate train against vivziepop or tara strong except theyre genuinely kinda stupid, like i dont think youre actually doing the right thing by calling out "
problematic" celebrities when you only do so to women and allow men to get a pass every single time.
>>1870210this is so cringe, theyre so self centered. imagine recording yourself drawing and having fun from your comfortable spot but this time is g-good! its for a good cause! doing nothing has the same effect, youre not a savior and you dont need to be the savior in a conflict of this magnitude.
No. 1870310
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Will and Caleb have been replaced by imposters
No. 1870320
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>>1870210Political soapbox fanart has always made me uncomfortable regardless of the "side" it was on. It was weird and inappropriate back on Deviantart and it's still weird when self-proclaimed leftists do it now.
No. 1870325
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>>1870293It's also very self-centered, they can't just make posts about how innocent women and children are unnecessarily suffering. They have to somehow make it conform to their adopted social values, so "autistic Palestinians" are suffering, "queer Palestinians" are suffering and "black Palestinians" are suffering. It has to be filtered through an axis of oppression that they care about or think makes them more oppressed
No. 1870331
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>>1870210It does make me wonder how war propaganda artists felt back then. Was it just a job for them or did they truly believe that their war posters were for the greater good.
I can't bring myself to draw something for the genocide, it makes me feel so awkward and guilty like wtf am I actually doing? Do people that make insta activist posts ever feel the same way?
No. 1870360
>>1869138Somewhat related but how can someone make a female character appealing to fandom? I feel some kind of existential dread when I'm working on my characters and I just know that even if my work was good and whatnot none of them will get attention because they're women and fandom doesn't give a shit about female characters.
>>1869159>>1869200Tumblr's imprint on media.
Probably the lowest point in comic books
>>1869214I kind of get this panel but isn't it weird to lump all Latin American countries and say "ah yes they're my people!"
No. 1870366
>>1869414Why can't writers be normal about female characters what did we do to deserve this.
I was watching an anime and it just made me so miserable how the male characters had their own clearly distinct personalities and the female characters were mostly just…there, which was enough for people to cheer for being progressive enough.
>>1869437I think it's just in response to the political landscape online, comics got criticised for being a "boys club only" or whatever. You can see the huge dip in quality at around 2016~ especially in Marvel then at some point DC started getting Marvel's big writers and now they're having the same mess Marvel had.
Of course criticise any of that and people accuse you of being an incel fanboy
No. 1870370
>>1869510I remember reading on some art discussion that it's better to turn your story/comic into a game rather than make it into a comic.
Honestly as hard as making a video game is, I've come around to the concept.
No. 1870376
>>1870360>fandom doesn't give a shit about female charactersI feel like this has been changing in recent years. It is true that a lot of women in popular media used to be flat or badly written and would therefore get ignored, especially when you consider that a lot of media mostly centered male characters that got all the development. Female characters are liked the same as male ones if they have an appeal, be it relatability or design or depth. But
>>1870368 is right, don't go out of your way to make something you're not personally interested in just because you think it might succeed in pandering.
>>1870370Games will always make more money than comics, people love an experience and reading is too tiresome for zoomies. That's why webtoons now have this dumb scroll format where you only get one panel at once
No. 1870383
>>1870360>Somewhat related but how can someone make a female character appealing to fandom?Don't bother, just focus on making your characters good instead of appealing to a theoretical fanbase. In fandom it's always "damned if you, damned if you don't" when it comes to liking or not liking certain female characters. If a female character is assertive and tough, it's sexist to feminine women or people will only pretend to like her for the sake of "step on me" memes. If she is dainty and feminine with no personality outside of a male love interest, she'll probably have a weird circle of white knights that think you're sexist for not writing 5k word fanfics "fixing" her like fandom fixes flawed male characters. If a female character is well-received (among women or men), it's only because she's conventionally attractive and that's bad. If a female character is morally grey or an antihero, that's bad because it portrays women as evil and her motives will be interpreted in bad faith compared to a male character that does the same. Etc etc.
>>1870378I was recced this video on Youtube algorithm years ago and watched it out of curiosity. Just a warning, it's by an annoying "genderqueer" TIM but I thought he made some good points if you ignore the trans content.
No. 1870384
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>>1870378Ah, yes, the 'anti-queer assimilationist' argument. gay people who believed that being a perverted degenerate was inherent to being gay, It was mostly gay moids (and maybe 5% of pretentious identity-obsessed lesbians), and now I guess the troons are included as well.
No. 1870402
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>>1869200>>1869159holy shit this is so cringe. All i want is a female badass heroine like pic rel. Why do they have to make everything cringe? just make a woman who stabs a lot of people and leaves bloody trails behind like Beatrix from kill bill. Make her whine about how moids scratched her car and make her rescue some cute guy and she's already far more relatable and likeable than those characters
No. 1870415
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>>1869996The push for dadbods always felt fabricated. I will never fall for it.
No. 1870438
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>>1870210This is just the twitter version of those deviantart ‘remember 9/11’ pics
No. 1870452
>>1870409Kind of funny but she's known for constantly practicing varieties of faces and trying to make sure that races and characters are distinct from each other.
Compared to the average anime, it's not particularly same face at all, at least imo.
No. 1870458
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>>1870452Anons here are delusional when it comes to "good art" I will never forget the thread where people were defending a TIF's art that was the stuff of horrors because of the bare basic perspective.
Dungeon Meshi is mostly cute anyway
No. 1870467
>>1870383I saw another video by him about Barbie, didn't expect to hear a man's voice (and honestly didn't want a man talking about feminism and barbie), just closed his whole channel when I saw "they/she" in his description.
Horrid world
No. 1870538
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>>1870531Fwiw, it's Balder Gates fanart.
She could have made the female characters uglier though.
No. 1870606
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>>1870459>>1870531as anon said this is fanart of the cast of the classic 90s western fantasy rpg baldur's gate 2. her ocs for dungeon meshi look like this.
No. 1870623
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>>1870320Why you made me remember this fanart?
No. 1870700
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>>1869877i mean dungeon meshi also has bug-eyed prettyboys if you prefer that
No. 1870827
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>>1870823The eyes seems nice to me, I guess I just have garbage taste in art.
No. 1870850
>>1870378>>1870384>>1870405Just because some people have appropriated the gay assimilation theory in bad faith to justify degeneracy doesn't mean it's not true. Gay people are constantly being told that people are fine with them "as long as they don't rub it in their faces" i.e. give out any signs of being homosexual like talking about their spouse with gendered terms, hold hands in public, kiss or make any mentions of their sex life. Just talking about your wife as a lesbian or even worse, about what kind of women you like is very often considered on par with marching around in leather gear screaming about how hard you kweerfuck each other. Homophobic people want to be able to see you as a straight person so any reminder of your sexuality breaks that fantasy and makes them feel threatened (because homosexuality inherently makes you a predatory rapist remember), so gay people practically have to tip-toe around the issue to make the scared straight feel safe. That's why it's called assimilation. I'm saying this as someone who bought into the "that applies to just those
other gay people who are justifiably called out as perverts!" meme but with age I realized that it's really
any signs of homosexuality that unironically
triggers them.
No. 1870865
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>>1870834you're better off talking about it in the manga thread nonna. the pincher attack between "the girls she drew aren't ugly enough" and everything else was so silly, kek.
No. 1870991
>>1869551Hot take maybe but I wish France had something like the anime industry. I think if successful comics were consistently adapted into animation at least some of them would become hugely successful worldwide and have huge fandoms. A shitty animated series like Ladybug has worldwide success yet many good stories with decent market potential remain unheard of beyond the borders.
Also I don't care/know much about Radiant (it's a manga but whatever) but it embarrassed me a lot that it needed Japan to be adapted.
>>1870415most based tweet
No. 1871052
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>>1869831I looked through the comments and qrts of op and boy are there some copers. Scrotes praising the artist specifically for drawing ugly men to people implying that only fujos like pretty men and picrel. You just know people would mald if she drew them conventionally attractive instead.
No. 1871182
>>1871093She got popular, is the problem I guess.
Saying that everybody is obese even though the elves are specifically thin and the dying makes people automatically thinner, and saying it's soulless when for the elf that was posted that's the point is actually funny.
And then shitting on tumblr noses but also complaining about the characters aren't ugly enough?
It's almosy like they're just grasping at whatever let's them hate on her.
No. 1871187
>>1871173Nta but I think the point is he isn't actually fat, he's just another race that looks like that.
Would you rather dwarves be thin?
No. 1871204
>>1871198>>1871193>>1871189All this seething just because you dislike the artstyle. This also doesn't have anything to do with fandom discourse, you're just mad some people enjoy something you don't but I don't get why you're so insistent on defending your opinion when it's a matter of taste. Just let it go, you act like a twitter user trying to find something
problematic to harp about
No. 1871208
>>1871204White knights are the one that started kek
>>1870814 >>1871162
>>1871182 >>1871187
and you keep going and going about your retarded manga because god forbid someone says anything bad about it. Your mangaka draws fat ugly moids get over it.
(infighting) No. 1871214
>>1871208What are those posts replying to?
Are those posts fandom discourse or some someone moaning about her retarded tastes even though nobody cares?
No. 1871227
>>1871214when someone says something you like is ugly you have two choices
>ignore itthe only good choice
>start sperging about how anons are ackshually hypocrites that dislike everything and white knighting the artistyou did this, therefore you started the sperging
(infighting) No. 1871241
>>1871239>>1871213I managed to go to sleep fir the night, wake up, and still see you bitching about how you dislike this manga.
I'm sorry to have to reveal this to you… but you're the sperg right now. Please, just shut up.
No. 1871265
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i don't understand why AA got so popular with TIFs
No. 1871275
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>>1871271most of uchikoshi's fans were male autists before AITSF got popular for its porn addict tho
No. 1871322
>>1870421beards and facial hair in general is such a mistake. Who told moids they look good like this.
On topic, but the excessive swearing is the biggest turn off in modern day games. Most of the translations for RE2 remake and FF16 were really off from the original japanese text. They just wanted to make the characters swear for the western audience.
No. 1871330
>>1871275When I heard about him the first time it was on tumblr in 2012 because of 999 and the ones talking about this game were seemingly normal fujoshi… except most of them either came out as TIFs later or as asexual. They were into AA as well which is why I started following them in the first place. They're also the same girls I saw getting into Dangan Ronpa back when the only translation was on Something Awful right before it was put behind a paywall and they suddenly went from "oh this looks like a fun, quirky murder mystery" to "this game is
problematic because it shows that the pure and innocent transgirl deserved to get killed and depicting the "gay defence" in court in a fictional story is bad"
No. 1871339
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>>1871265picrel
>>1871271true, secondarism runs rampant in the genre this way, you get to technically experience the story and solve the mysteries ahead of time if you want (lol)
on the western fandom topic tho, Higurashi retains a majorly male weeb audience, with some female (usually animeonly) artists here and there, while Umineko, unsurprisingly, is TiM central (4chan-oldfag-to-twitter-tranny pipeline anyone?)
No. 1871365
>>1871350nta but the character designer for the first game (and somewhat the unofficial co-writer) is Kumiko Suekane, who worked for Capcom for a few years before quitting and working for herself. She had a huge influence on the story and the characters' backstories, which had a direct impact on the sequels, such as Edgeworth being as young and Phoenix and being his childhood friend, and thus Phoenix becoming obsessed with him ever since they met, Mia being a recurring, very important character instead of just dying to make Maya a suspect, the cases being related to each other instead of being separate stories that just happen one after the other, etc. At the same time she was making a shit ton of doujinshi about Kakashi/Iruka from Naruto, Mustang/Havoc from FMA, two of the playable guys in FF12, and later Barnaby/Kotetsu in Tiger and Bunny, some Haikyuu stuff and some Granblue stuff. When the first game on the GBA got very popular she made the other devs look at the fans online and they all mostly saw yaoi shit so Shu Takumi, the writer, tried to push to make things canon but Atsushi Inaba, the producer back then, told him no.
And she also published some BL manga under a pen name I can't remember, including one that clearly reuses one of Phoenix's unused designs for the uke and Edgeworth backstory for the seme… So it turns out that she ships Edgeworth/Phoenix, and not the more popular Phoenix/Edgeworth. iirc the title is Retsujou but it's been a long time since I read it.
No. 1871431
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>>1871392Same with Heather from SH3. A lot of women on team silent helped create both her look and personality. I really thank them for that. Their idea was to give her freckles, the slight wave in her hair, her outfit design, etc.
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>>1870227I thought that as well. I can understand the original pics with people or flowers or animals, but anime characters?
No. 1871469
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>>1871265-It's a VN with zero skill required to play
-The games have been several times over the last decade on different platforms
-Wrightworth and Klapollo are popular M/M ships
-Most of the major female characters and villains are well-written (IMO) so fans of that characters get something out of it too (there was a decent bubble of F/F shippers back in the day for ships like Franziska/Adrian)
I was fine with the fujos in the fandom since a lot of them wrote the best fic in the Livejournal era, and the popular M/M ships like Wrightworth are given fodder in-canon like
>>1871365 said. I think the fanbase getting infested with TIFs and the "Chihiro is trans" truthers from Dangan Ronpa fandom ruined it, I can't even search for fanart without seeing people draw 20-something lawyers as 300lb they/fae/hes with vitiligo now.
No. 1871487
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>>1871469i unironically miss spamming fan art on /v/ back in college when dual destinies came out
No. 1871557
>>1871507Good point, honestly. I may have rose tinted glasses because coomerism wasn't as rampant in 2008 as it is in the 2020s and I wasn't as critical of that stuff (I hated the shota though), but it felt more simple back then even though there was occasional drama and wank. The constant memes about Gant being a sex offender were obnoxious and in awful taste (I hated it then and I don't miss that now), but I enjoyed having a space where I didn't get lectured on being offensive and
problematic even though a lot of kink meme content went too far.
No. 1871592
>>1870850was in an official subreddit discord where a number of the members were lesbians or at least SSA. One of them definitely admired ladies but couldn't express it. She gave a few winks and nods, but the rest were clearly read between the lines. The fact that it was a supposed "queer" friendly space made it all the more upsetting because it was evident she was tiptoeing around Tims and Tifs, who wouldn't give her the time of day if admits to liking pussy.
>>1871507I stopped playing AA quite some time ago. It was a decent game, but was the fanbase truly that bad? The worst I've seen is Phoenix and Edgeworth Smut, but real Shotacon? Don't tell me they've been lewding kids jfc.
Anyway, my condolences, Nonna. It must be frustrating to discover fewer and fewer spots in today's webscape, as braindead kids will certainly fuck it up. So many these days demand the old guard to give up their ways because lord forbid you like spicy yaoi content. Wished I was born in like 1980 or so because the 2000s hit different. the knits were closer and the folks more so. Things were more interpersonal back then. Like any era it has it downsides like all the unchecked insanity, but it sure beats todays centralized internet where the only main sites are cancer.
No. 1871606
>>1871592She's talking about the Phoenix Wright Kink Meme on Livejournal in the 2000s, it used to have very few limits on what content to request/prompt and I do remember there being shotacon prompts. The new one today doesn't allow that but now the fandom is just full of trans headcanons and handwringing over how certain ships between adults are
problematic. I didn't love the old days but fandom today feels worse.
No. 1871607
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>ctrl+f
>0 results for dragon age
I miss bitching about solasfags…
No. 1871623
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>>1871607Dragon age feels so stale now that baldur's gate is out.
No. 1871707
>>1871623>>1871607bg3 is just poorly written compared to dragon age, which is unreal because da is what gets so much heat. i feel like people only like bg3 so ardently and uncritically because it's a chocolate bar in a drought. i am loyal and patient!
da4 will be an utter mess though…
No. 1871716
>>1871494Clay isn't even a character kek I don't get how he got so popular when Dual Destinies got released. The writers should have made him relevant before the last case so
his death could have an actual impact on the players and not just on Apollo. Like, maybe make him show up from time to time so him and Apollo have phone calls or go chill after work and get drinks together to complain about work or something, even something small like this would have been enough.
No. 1871736
>See a "body headcanon" lineup of female characters>The daintiest and prettiest one is given a dickI guess TIMs got mad enough times at handmaidens hcing a masculine female character as a trans woman that now they're full on gaslit into doing it to the most ultrafeminine ones to feed their delusions. Too bad 6ft2 Tiffany with porn addiction will never be a 4ft5 slender, sophisticated princess.
>>1871507As someone who was at her most active in the AA fandom in like 2009 I don't really remember it being particularly degenerate or obsessed with porn? I don't remember seeing any Ace Attorney porn at all to be honest, the worst I saw was jokes about Mia's tits. But then again I didn't hang around /v/ but rather some Livejournal communities that just discussed the game's events and theories.
No. 1871749
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>>1870421>>1871318From the vivziepop Thread
No. 1871759
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Has anyone else noticed that older female characters paired with younger male characters are often either portrayed as something creepy or made into a point of disgust or a joke?
No. 1871769
>>1871736>See a "body headcanon" lineup of female characters>The daintiest and prettiest one is given a dickI thought it was just me kek. I've been seeing it a lot now. I think I'm going to start aggressively making pussy jokes about extremely feminine girl ocs and characters now kek, because this is some turbo level cope that I can't even conceive of. The average mtf can't even look like a regular woman, why the hell and where the hell did this psyop come from that they're the delicate 4 foot nothing girls that are hyperfeminine (and are the brunt of "straight" rape fantasies)?
I blame Bridget, somehow. I think the overall ego of the brickfaces has been vastly inflated and now they think they can be dainty and feminine kek
No. 1871804
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>>1871507Is the Van Zieks controversy still going? I left the DGS fandom the second the official localization got announced because I expected the policing to get even worse (it was already terrible with a 10-person fandom, so I couldn't imagine how it would get when all the rest of english AA fandom played i). But after playing it and seeing how much they mellowed him and some characters down compared to the fantranslation I thought people were gonna be more open about him.
And yeah it's really funny how he always ranks 1st-2nd in JP popularity polls but in the west they crucify you if you do as much as interact with someone who likes him keek
No. 1871805
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Why have TIFs latched onto Griffith out of all characters?
No. 1871808
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Woke otome fans who draw BL of the male characters even though everyone hates it suck. A game was review bombed on amazon for featuring a side character in love with a dateable dude, it's performative. They'd get mad if people drew BL characters with women
No. 1871870
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>>1871843most women who seek out otome games are not interested in seeing their fictional boyfriends be interested in men, the ones who do have just internalized that straight is bad and cope by saying ''omg x character is so ghey and has more chemistry with y character than the female main character''like pic related lol. I don't mind BL but i don't think it has a place in otome games and companies thinking fujo bait: easy bucks are off the mark.
No. 1871888
>>1871808otome characters are always so fucking shit and
abusive i would rather see them put other men in cages
No. 1871897
>>1871888Just because there were a handful of characters like that doesn't mean they all have the same
abusive personality
No. 1871966
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>>1871944just the top rated but it's commented upon in most the reviews
No. 1871984
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>>1871934The same I wonder when I read this thread. Granted, it feels like when people adopt a dog based in a movie and adoption has its dark side, but still.
>>1871808>>1871870I do remember in Amnesia, both Kent and Ikki had a "charming" closer friendship and in one of their ending, they both "go to the beach to do some maths".
No. 1871986
>>1871808I don't see what's wrong with it if it's just fanart they do for fun, as long as they don't argue with other fans over how canon and gay her favorite pairings are. A lot of yumejoshi are also fujoshi so it doesn't surprise me that some girls would do that.
>>1871835nta, I haven't seen any of this all that much, I blocked some people on twitter very fast when I saw them arguing over it and I keep seeing art of DGS1 and 2 but only from Japanese and Chinese artists who like the story and the characters for what they are.
No. 1872068
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>>1870210This is the worst one I've come across.
No. 1872070
>>1871986Glad to hear that, right now my only exposure to DGS are 3 JP artists I have been following since 2017, but the eng fandom back then was terrible. It was small, so pretty much everyone knew eachother or had seen you around at the very least so it was kind of divided into people who liked or were neutral towards Barok and people who hated him.
It was really annoying to participate in the fandom, most people were in the anti-Barok side and would dogpile you if you interacted with someone on the other side, so you had to pick your poison.
I also remember this one fakeboi in the anti-barok side who lived in the US but was a part… some jp culture or something and due that she thought she was the leading light on DGS/jp culture & policied people all the time kek She was my personal cow back then, her DGS art was so ugly and full of self-inserts in the characters.
No. 1872072
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here we go again
No. 1872073
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Fandom slacktivism needs to be studied, out of touch doesn't even begin to describe it.
I think the reason this current thing was kicked so into high gear compared to the previous ones is because our little "rebels" are disagreeing with the american empire for the first time, and are shocked the world isn't seemingly bending over to their will as usual.
If anything, at least their shows twitter SJWs aren't as nearly as important or powerful as they'd have you believe through bots and journos amplifying them. Remember the Hogwarts Legacy witch hunts? 2023 best seller lol
No. 1872090
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>>1872083Looks like they did so yesterday and OP had to re-upload the drawing kek
No. 1872095
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>>1872090I just can't take this seriously lmao, now twittertards will make picrews supporting random causes and will add flags and shit.
What's next? Adding the Palestinian flag to the lgbtqwerty flag?
No. 1872102
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>>1872090The artist even kept the watermelon.
No. 1872114
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I'm so tired of constant discourse about the sexuality of fictional characters and the weird internalised misogyny of girls who insist on pretty male characters being gay and mocking M/F content. It gets even crazier when the author says a character is bi and fans retcon him as gay because he isn't "masculine enough".
No. 1872115
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>>1872072Which straight woman peed on her cereal to hate straight fans of a fictional character?
>MLM TRANSSo straight women too.
No. 1872118
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>>1872093>>when i saw it i was so happy and literaly jumping around because idk i like seeing drawings of fictional characters supporting palestineThe jokes write themselves. The idk, the way he likes it because it's fictional characters and not because what it represents… I feel so bad for people in the war, while they're getting their lives ruined and life-long trauma (and that's the best outcome), people are doing couch activism for likes on social media.
I thought I was free of it, but since yesterday I have been seeing artists I follow do the same. While I'm sure some of them actually care about what is happening, it feels in bad taste to draw your favorite character "supporting" whatever instead of doing actual activism and help. They keep sharing ORGs under the drawing's replies, but I'm sure no one has actually donated anything. This will be same as Ukranie, everyone will change their display name to whatever emoji they say it's in support for [XYZ] and then forget about it after some months even if they're still in war. It's really sad.
No. 1872124
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>>1872068These people may have good intentions, but holy fuck, they desperately need someone (anyone) to forcefully bring them back to reality. This goes beyond being distasteful, it's outrageously and laughably offensive.
No. 1872125
>>1872118NGL I thought the last one was Dazai and my first thought was "Why do you want a suicidal moid for activism? The man could go there to get a woman and die themselves together like his expy did".
Sageblog but I remember when the 2019 riots happened in my country and guess what: No one prayed for my country because "Is common in LaTam".
No. 1872129
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>>1872072Nobody tell her this is in Astarion's early cutscene directions for motion actors, or that VanOrd called him bi in one of the early access twitch streams before they made everyone pan.
No. 1872135
>>1872124>These people may have good intentionsthey don't. They don't care about the war they only make this art because it's what's currently trending on social media.
>>1872125>when the 2019 riots happened in my country and guess what: No one prayed for my countryclout chasers will find one real event that they latch unto to prove how good hearted they are. Then they will call everyone who doesn't talk about it 24/7 awful people. Then they will start meming the event into a spectacle and make tasteless posts and art that in no way is helping the
victims or spreading awareness all in the name of being progressive. These people don't care about social injustice and will therefore not talk about other events (I doubt that these people even read the news). They just want to tokenise other people's suffering to prove how progressive they are
No. 1872137
>>1871805Headcanoning an infamously brutal rapist as a TIM and then saying readers should stop projecting
toxic masculinty on him, all without a hint of self awareness is at least extremely funny. His rape of Casca was so vicious she didn't speak for years, is this really who they want as a "transfem"? Amazing.
No. 1872145
>>1872138Kek, no way. Doesn't he murder and mutilate women due to his womb envy? Astonishingly honest, I guess. I agree the AGP who wants to skinwalk women so bad he murders them is something trannies would relate to, glad we're all on the same page kek. I just don't understand how someone could know this and still think he I mean she is heckin
valid uwu.
No. 1872149
>>1872114I think I put female communities and fandoms on a really high pedastal because the video game fandoms I was in were always populated with disgusting guys who I ignored. I was always super giddy in the early 2010 era to meet girls who share my interests (note: I'm from an eastern european village, anime was not a big thing here and the internet was in the facebook era).
So seeing all the not-so-subtle ragging on straight female fans is just sad to me. This hot guy is not
toxic and talks about his feelings? He's gay, even though that has been a female fantasy a hundred years ago already.
No. 1872153
>>1872145>Doesn't he murder and mutilate women due to his womb envy?Yes kek, but you have to respect "her" pronouns because "she" is an okama who wants real women to suffer and die just for having the audacity of existing and
who killed himself because he's a gay guy so he can't get pregnant before the story started. The lack of self-awareness is amazing.
No. 1872159
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>>1872155Sylvain and Astarion are crack for aydens
No. 1872221
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>>1872135>>1872144After this, I'm quite sure they only care the dead Palestinian or the bombing situation: A journalist went to watch football and is happy while the whole country is in flames? SHAMEFUL!
What is next? Celebrating the date when the Black September killed the Israeli Olympic athletes in Munich '72 when Paris '24 starts?
(derailing, lack of integration) No. 1872248
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>>1872124>>1872118the more things change the more things stay the same
No. 1872273
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>>1872171Kek I saw an interesting take about that, this person was complaining about some mascot in a power ranger suit photoshopping himself onto the flag
No. 1872276
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I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FUCKING MEME EDIT BEFORE I ENLARGED THE PICTURE I'M GONNA CRY. How do they not see how disrespectful it is??
No. 1872359
>>1872319I am genuinely baffled how fandom became so tied with politics, and I blame gamergate for it. Of course you can find earlier events of fans standing up for a cause, but you can see a significant shift in fandom culture in the west around 2010.
I can't take it seriously because I separate entertainment from real life issues and somebody talking about serious issues on the same account they post weird brony kink fanfiction drives me insane.
And you'd think- oh, of course those are the total nutcases, just avoid them
nonnie and touch grass. But nowadays fandom discords have roles for pronouns, sexuality and identity and game update accounts I followed started giving PSAs on Palestine when they didn't tweet about Ukraine or women's bodily autonomy, fuck off.
No. 1872449
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>>1872124On Reddit the Undertale sub just has an implosion over the Israel/Palestine confict and why Ukraine posting was allowed but not that. Just let games be game ffs. They're silly monsters it makes you look like a top goober if you can't enjoy a game without thinking about that.
No. 1872463
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How is this lesbian? Disgusting and came up randomly(not fandom related)
No. 1872477
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>>1872463Act like a moid in Tumblr:
No. 1872543
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>>1872124Noury is a Gazan woman and Gojo yumejo who lost her eye after the school she evacuated to was hit by a tank missile. Her friend wants to send her pictures of her husbando and sunflowers to cheer her up. Most of the art people have drawn for Noury is sweet. I can't say anything nice for the other pictures though. Zoomers are repeating "Hello Kitty Says ACAB" all over again, they never learn and they keep fandomization conflicts for clout.
No. 1872550
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>>1872543Same anon, even if the #FreePalestine art is coming from a good place it still comes off as tone deaf. Yeah, Cartman would support Palestine, he would use it as an excuse to commit hate crimes kek.
No. 1872635
>>1872550Cartman supporting Palestine feels like in The Passion of the Jew when he used the Passion of Christ to exterminate Jewish people.
>>1872576I remember this video: Each time there's a thing that women like it, women get bullied for it. From The Beatles, Star Trek, anime, Twilight, etc… It feels like women cannot enjoy stuff without moids or conservative critique them, and now we have NLOG TIFs claiming the "ugh those gay fetishists" or "old women cannot enjoy stuff. Once they're 25, they must get a house and a family and leave the fandom to us" (I wish I were lying about the last phrase), ignoring that women do work in the same stuff they fangirl a lot.
No. 1872694
>>1872124the ace attorney characters arent even eating watermelons, theyre doing it wrong!!
>>1872171its so insensitive. the people who get to see this have already chosen a side, their opinion isnt going to change because miku is holding the flag.
>>1872550what the fuck, THIS is the character you picked for activism fanart?
i feel so bad for the
victims of the war. i know random chronically online nerds overseas cant do much, its all up to the governments, but at the very least dont use an ongoing tragedy as the goodness olympics because you just have to prove how good of a person you are. the watermelon was a symbol that meant something and now its a cutesy badge you put on your display name to show youre on the right side!!! so tone deaf.
No. 1872698
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Both of these are cringe. Right is a response to left, they're right about the "decent woman" shit being stupid though
No. 1872706
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>>1872698it feels weird how some people in fandom shit on boring straight stuff only to come up with the SAME SHIT, but now its totes gay
obviously they wouldn't insert onto the kind twink and keep thinking about the poor little traumatized violent massive ape and also has a phrase you can get from a mental health page on instagram
The shitting on the "decent woman" thing when it just got changed to a dude with more words instead of making an interesting concept for a female character is so dumb kek
No. 1872855
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Sad.
No. 1872867
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>>1872698Bad boy and sensitive person that wipes his ass and forgives all his sins by ''fixing him'' is literally the oldest form of ship dynamic. It makes me laugh and it doesnt matter how many cultural changes there are, women are still drawn to this shitty ship dynamic regardless of if they are TIFs, very leftleaning or tradthots.
No. 1872871
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>>1872068>>1872124Lest we forget, just a few months ago, some of our fujo users were drawing cutesy gay fan-art of "Hamas-kun". This was after mass rapes and massacres had been reported. These "fan arts" in my opinion, come from the same place of being terminally online and in denial of reality, with a heavy dose of porn-induced brain-rot. They can't genuinely or seriously engage with things, as they are so poisoned by fandom discourse.
No. 1872878
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>>1872871IB users have been making satirical ''x-tans'' for years. Japan made isis-tan in 2015.
No. 1872879
>>1872861His older skits from 10 years ago were actually funny. I still love his The Room video.
>>1872871jfc. Shit like this is actually moid-tier. I hate porn-sickness and brainrot.
No. 1872897
>>1872890You have to expect some edginess on an anonymous imageboard. Don't give me this "women are supposed to be better than men" bullshit. Nobody was making fun of the
victims in those posts anyway.
No. 1872899
>>1872891Heltalia didn't have a character named Hitler-kun IIRC
>>1872897NTA but she's got a point. It's usually moid tier coomer shit to take something as devastating as war or terrorism or diseases like COVID and Ebola and turn them into animu fap bait. No one is "making fun" of the
victims but they are sexualizing their suffering. I'd hope anyone who's an adult could see how it's degenerate edgelord behavior and not something worth defending, but this is lolcow after all.. half of y'all didn't manage to shake the 4chan NLOG stench off.
No. 1872906
>>1872899again, whats wrong with women having an edgy sense of humor? why should women be ''better'' than men and not make edgy cartoons, even though we arent even the ones who star wars?
>Heltalia didn't have a character named Hitler-kun IIRCthey are based on countries during ww2
No. 1872913
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>>1872909Its funny how female socialization is so strong that even in board made to bully women, on a thread to talk about how politics ruined fandom for women, we still have women trying to shame other women for not abiding to social norms designated to put all the weight of morality on women. Hamas-kun and Israel-kun work extremely well as satire because, while men have been doing edgy jokes for years, women are pulled down on the level of men, who commit 90% of crimes, just for making edgy jokes on a site that's centered around making fun of women.
No. 1872915
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>>1872913NO, YOU ARE NOT A BASED FEMINIST CRITQUTING SOCIETY, YOU ARE A TERMINALLY ONLINE PORN ADDICT
No. 1872920
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>>1872915I am not a feminist. I am just tired of women being expected to care. Fandom for women is shit because women are expected to give a shit and stop everything they are doing to care about every single war, tragedy, and minority being opressed. Meanwhile moid fandom drama is ''this character got nerfed'',''this person was caught cheating'' or ''this retard is gatekeeping a translation''. Your shame technique doesnt work in a image board full of autistic women that are already pariahs, go back to twitter.
No. 1872926
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>>1872871Lest we forget, I have those images saved.
>>1872913Based. Israel-kun and Hamas-kun are extremely tasteful compared to what moids create. Even in a vacuum they are tasteful. It's the culmination of seeing two enemies and just going "now kiss"
>>1872915They don't even fuck
No. 1872932
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>Based. Israel-kun and Hamas-kun are extremely tasteful compared to what moids create. Even in a vacuum they are tasteful. It's the culmination of seeing two enemies and just going "now kiss"
moids were making sexy 9/11 fanart kek
No. 1872943
>>1872855imagine buying these and then unpicking the tranny flags
>>1872926dump or link the og thread pls, I didn't get the chance to save them
No. 1872959
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>>1872950I also find them tasteless and I've always loathed similar art and concepts, but do you know where you are…? You've made your point there's no more reasons to drag it out. Also everyone in this imageboard is automatically terminally online, it's a gossip site dedicated to gossiping about online weirdos. You can't get more terminally online than that.
No. 1872989
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i dont know why so many nonas are taking offense to humanized countries when its not really a new concept i mean haven't artists been drawing humanized countries for a while now? (just look at old axis art pre WW2 also which were drawn during the war) i mean hetalia existed? its not like nonas are drawing killing themselves just doing the typical fujo tropes i really dont get how its offensive?
No. 1873014
>>1873012why does it
trigger you so bad
(take it to /meta/) No. 1873064
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>>1872989Women always get shit on for drawing war related fanart. Kaneoya sachiko had to apologize to her western gendie fanbase for drawing wwII airplanes. Meanwhile men turn guns/boats into waifus and no one gives a shit. Moralfagging has killed fandom/art spaces for women and i am so fucking tired of it.
No. 1873106
>>1873096i agree i dont get how a fucking pokemon (aka a animal) can be trans??
unless they're one of those degenerates who see them as humanoids how did the trans brainrot ruin so many things that you have to portray your fetish on a bootleg animal?
No. 1873188
>>1873167I very highly doubt that, just look at
>>1872871 and tell me the OP wasn't trying to create her own personal spank bank material.
(infighting) No. 1873329
>>1873233wait…really? jfc, thought it was satire until I looked it up. Fuck fifty shades for casting this curse upon the whole book industry because I can't go several steps without falling into a pit of repurposed AU fanfics.
semi unrelated, but does anyone get tired of scrotes deeming fifty shades as the pinnacle of female sex fantasy? I've seen the women like rape fantasies meme far too much and i'm going insane over it.
>>1873265I barely watch Netflix but did hear one show about
suicide based on a book. It didn't originate from Wattpad, but the whole thing screamed 2deep4u teen angst. and they had the gall to air several seasons despite only one book and some tapes.
then she came back as a ghost, because why not throw everything at the wall till it sticks. It was 13 reasons why. Season 1 was aight before it slid into a ditch and went on the deep end.
No. 1873375
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>>1869138>>1869159>>1869200>>1869414>>1869437I believe this stems from writing crafted by people who have absolutely no understanding of violence in media or the actual act of violence. However, violence is necessary to to bring to life their petty revenge fantasies against all the "jocks" and other people they think wronged then,
No. 1873434
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>>1873421It got a reboot this year. I'm kinda mixed on the new art. The old stuff looked much better immo but I'm hoping this means a continuation on the cartoon. It was cancelled way too soon.
No. 1873454
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>>1873434>>1873436Warning! Taranee got made into a FtM(I think?) in the reboot. Best to let it go.
Sometimes dead is better.
No. 1873458
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>>1873454She was the timid cute dork who was literally too nice for her own good. Why the fuck did they turn her into a no nonsense serious 'badass'?! that feel so fucking racist for some reason.
No. 1873465
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I'm just gonna post this because there's Witch talk and I can finally use it
No. 1873471
>>1871481Manfra still carries a lot of bad stereotypes but it's justified. Reno Lemaire's Dreamland was the poster child before Radiant and is still credited as the first one to prove the viability or french manga, but the early volumes looked like absolute dogshit. Then there were quite a few uninspired shonen series which created an idea that all manfra is ugly bootlegs. Too many people underestimated the challenge of writing manga, especially shonen which is wrongfully considered easy due to its "universal formula", and used dated tropes and half-assed designs, there was also a tendency to skinwalk the style of particular authors. I think there's some guy who ended up admitting that trying to ape famous shonen was a mistake and he wasn't serious enough but I forgot who it was. And now even though there are more people with decent mastery in classic manga technique, they tend to have unappealing art styles and don't think much about aesthetics overall which is a very bad idea when you go straight to tankobon and need to get readers to pick up your book among Japanese series that already got a headstart from prepublication and get shilled everywhere, so they don't get a fandom.
Another fairly popular series was City Hall, featuring famous authors with powers in a steampunk alternative past setting. Talli which I mentioned is more recent, it's a fantasy manga with a female lead and it looks pretty much perfect but got killed after 3 volumes because it didn't sell well enough.
>>1871714I don't know about Lastman and I refuse to give it even a chance because I want Vivès publicly executed but I think it was marketed as just "manga-inspired".
>if it were published by a Japanese publishing company first and then published in France later I would have called it a mangaThis is objectively the right way of seeing things but I'll stay willingly hypocritical until manfra has a real space for itself like manhwa does, and that might never happen due to many years of poor decisions. Honestly when I say it "integrates" I'm thinking of a bunch of volumes aligned in a bookstore. I don't want to hammer down a nail that doesn't stick out, so if I believe something is up to the quality standards of any prepublication magazine and being French is its only crime I'll turn a blind eye and consider it proper manga anyway. I don't want to blame authors for editors' nonsense and weird marketing tactics.
If french manga gets a revolution it will probably be digital and independent (and hopefully carried by people who can actually design characters !)
No. 1873598
>>1873210For me, it really depends on the state of the fandom, eg how old it is, how popular it is, if it's long-term or recently become popular again, and general age demographics. Some new shit attracts good authors who have some experience and a better grasp on storytelling, but other new shit draws in people who think group chat fics are a good idea and are only interested in pumping out generic, ooc smut (as in, the character names could be swapped out for literally anyone else). I tend to have better luck browsing fic for older fandoms or ones with more established authors interested in the themes and concepts of the canon rather than just pure shipping and headcanon/fanon (not saying shipping is bad btw either).
>>1873257Pretty much. You can tell that a lot of newer fic authors have never read anything outside of the most generic YA/booktok hype reads and their own fandom's fic that's a regurgitation of those same stories/tropes. Not saying you have to read highbrow big brain literary books or anything to be good, but having more experience reading more varied fiction (and non-fiction) will give you a greater well to draw from while you write whatever indulgent fic your heart so desires. I'm also not asking for fic to be super deep or novel-worthy, but as someone who enjoys writing, it only gets more fun the more tools you have in your toolbox, so to speak, especially once you start figuring out what ideas you really like to explore/engage with.
Would also help if people read books on writing rather than just relying on internet personalities shitting out 'writing advice' videos that are just them poorly parroting something they read off of a shitty, over-summarised article. But I get that that's a big ask for something that's just a hobby so eh.
No. 1873601
>>1873329>scrotes deeming fifty shades as the pinnacle of female sex fantasyhonestly found this kind of charming about some of my male friends in a book club group I'm in, they thought 50 Shades was peak (published) female degeneracy and had a pretty rude awakening when we started reading/discussing some of the popular booktok 'spicy' and 'dark romance' books. It was pretty funny kek
As for the rape fantasy meme, unfortunately there's a lot of popular published works that aren't helping the stereotype at all. It's a very visible… kink? trope? sexual interest? and I think it's a component of erotica (or even just romance) that won't be going away anytime soon thanks to being so thoroughly ingrained in the dna of those genres
No. 1873624
>>1873458see
>>1869138 these people are unironically more racist then anyone in the 90's and 2000's could comprehend.
No. 1873661
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I started uncontrollably laughing when I saw this.
No. 1873667
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Black Battler but not like, the actual character black Battler just Battler but black.
I like how a lot of them use Japanese characters when Japanese probably either don't know or don't give a shit about palestine.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 1873668
>>1872913this is so childish. If your first reaction when called out is
>but…but look at them, they did worse ! you aren't old enough to post here. No one should make ocs out of genocides you retard, men or women. Being edgy isn't a form of feminism, not everything is a liberation act. Women in Palestine need freedom more than your little need freedom to create dumb and generic anime boys.
No. 1873685
>>1873454She's not a tranny, she's still a woman. They just made her a sporty butch wearing a sports bra. Good god.
>>1873674Paki-chan just wants to sperg about porn addiction again.
(stop giving attention to attention whores) No. 1873699
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My friend asked me to draw Israel Griffith after she posted Hamas Guts
So here you go(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 1873702
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>>1873699Here’s hamas Guts, by the way.
(attentionwhoring after repeated bans and farmhand notice) No. 1873888
>>1873454She's not trans but you never
>>1873375You could never pay me enough to pose on the ground like that as a "token hire" I'd rather kill myself. This is so humiliating.
>>1873329>but does anyone get tired of scrotes deeming fifty shades as the pinnacle of female sex fantasy? I've seen the women like rape fantasies meme far too much and i'm going insane over it.Unfortunately for whatever reason extreme/sexually taboo themes are popular in female-dominated spaces (like fanfics and romance books written by women for women, webtoons, yaoi, even on here)
I don't get it but if you say anything you're vanillia
No. 1873892
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>>1873774This reminds me of Team Four Stan of all things, they had a series that would pull in millions of views for every episode and make them a bunch of money, and all they had to do was do funny voiceS over some anime and point out some clihe tropes. but they progressively took themselves more and more seriously and it leads to this cringe curve where the early episodes are cringy because of the comedy and the last episodes are cringy because of how seriously TFS were taking themselves.
No. 1873893
>>1873233I hope this doesn't come off as mean but I don't understand why people try so hard to push (East) Asian and India/Desi representation. For those people representation starts and ends with "they have the same name/colour/features as me and eat the same food as me". Why don't they just watch shows from their parent's countries?
I could never take Indian-Americans or Korean-Americans complaining about representation seriously, bollywood and kdramas are HUGE.
I understand African-Americans because of slavery so they're cut off from Africa (unless they recently immigrated).
I have people from my country who also go on and on about representation in the West and if an American show features someone from our region/country people celebrate it, it's so fucking weird we have our own media yeah currently the industry is shitty but it's embarrassing.
Tumblr again?
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>>1873893I've vented about this before, but the thing about "Indian representation" is that it's like saying something a statement like we need "European representation," because it encompasses so many cultures, people, and histories all at once. For example, in India, there are several languages and regional film industries, and the vast majority of people understand this, even literal uneducated peasants. However, for some reason, when someone from South Asia goes to the West and receives an upper-class education, they seem to lose this nuance. I had to explain to my visiting niece that the vast majority of people in our country didn't like Obama (due to the bombings), and she was genuinely shocked by this. She also seemed to think that all conflicts in our nation were started by the British, citing a video from AJ+ as proof.
No. 1873920
>>1873893>I don't understand why people try so hard to push (East) Asian and India/Desi representation. For those people representation starts and ends with "they have the same name/colour/features as me and eat the same food as me".this, some nonna(maybe in this thread) pointed out that most things in media with "indian/east asian rep" just has stuff that's already there in the cultural zeitgeist and doesn't actually have stuff that justifies it as being representative of a culture.
i think it can be done well sometimes, i didn't mind the Indian spiderman in spiderverse bc it was a fun exploration of how an equivalent to spiderman would fare in different cities with different architecture, but the "chai tea"/"naan bread" argument is so fucking annoying and so so so overdone, there's probably more white people correcting white people on the usage of "chai tea" than indian people correcting them. there's probably a racist out there that knows the Mahabharata better than any Indian Hindu diaspora.
but these creators try to make characters that are "iconic" and notable on basis of their rep rather than the character themself rather than working with them as a character so you just get nothing characters that are a dime a dozen and every reptards don't remember that well. plenty notable black characters exist, because they were thought of as humans and characters first before "representation" that people would gush about and would get awards before being forgotten.
No. 1873951
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>>1873920I think you may be referring to a post I made in a previous thread regarding this creappy book called the Jasmine throne, again nothing about the book is "Indian" because it's just various vague aesthetics and some common cultural know-how that has entered the cultural zeitgeist. All I got from that book was that it was written by someone very ignorant of South Asian histories and cultures, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. 99.9% of people in South Asia would not care, what I personally take issue with is the fact the book was being lauded as telling an "authentic Indian" story by a queer Indian author. The writer is a British Indian woman. this idea that you can comment on culture, even your own heritage, without actually doing any sort of research, and it gets praised as authentic by these morons is offensive to me.
The worst cases of these would be people like xiran, who basically spread absolute BS like picrel. I don't think they believe they are lying either, they are just that in denial of reality.
No. 1873956
>>1873374>>1873377>>1873601>>1873888Always with the spice. As someone on the vanilla side, finding any erotic f/m books that isn't riddled to the brim with kinky dad talk is forcing me to quit erotic romance altogether. could it kill a scrote/pickme to write a tender vanilla romance book where the sex is free of dildos and chains? I don't wanna read your creepy fetish manifesto hiding behind a veneer of "sex positivity" (read: degeneracy).
>>1873930Saw a f/f artist cave and add dicks into her body poz piece thanks to the TIM backlash. Nothing short of miracle that the rest haven't caved yet. Another took the he/him enby pill, because I guess being gnc means something kek. And their art was cute too but just had to ruin it with gendie shit.
Likewise female f/m artist are slowly turning their art "gay" to appease the TIF crowd and wind up adopting "non-binary" for a get out of "cishet" jail card. If that doesn't work, turn the other cheek and draw exclusively coom bait for moids. it's getting increasingly rare to find a single decent female artist in a sea theybies and wueers. What happened? Just yesterday fujos could congregate in niche forums about their interest while moids stayed in their lane. Now it's free real estate to invade every fandom and demand free entry cuz my boypuss or girldick. Growing tired of this shit.
No. 1873958
>>1873951ayrt, yes, that's the exact post!
>99.9% of people in South Asia would not carethe 0.1% that would care would be zoomers that despite insulting USAmericans that think USA is the whole world or judge the rest of the world through the lenses of America, still are more concerned with US politics than their own.
No. 1874002
>>1873958>>1873963Are those the same types screeching about “oppression” despite being part of the upper class? Yea know, the same affluent types with nothing to lose? It’s kinda odd that so many SJWs turned out to be rich kids and not actually lower class who know what real oppression looks like.
Man, imagine being an Indonesian
nonny who’s rich well off neighbor spends most of her time online trying to cancel people for the hell of it. Must suck kek. Like sincerely.
>>1873972 Lmao, exactly. More reasons to pick it up over whatever’s popping off recently.
truly vindicates my love of sexy monsters and aliens lol>>1873985Could be out of the loop, but why has y/n popped off over the years? Almost a third of search results on any fanfic sharing site’s devoted to it. I can’t seem to find much else without some wrangle measures in place.
(derailing) No. 1874010
>>1873956>>1873985Agree, hell, I'd even be less bothered by all the kink shit if all participants were 100% into it instead of one party (always the woman) having it forced upon her or coerced into it in some fashion, and if the kinks weren't all degradation/misogyny-based (I know some might argue that all kink are those things).
>>1874002I don't know why y/n or reader-insert fanfics have had such a large boom in popularity lately, but I do know that I'm sick of seeing them all the time as the majority result for most of the characters I like kek. I wonder if it has anything to do with self-shipping not being as openly mocked recently? I remember seeing self-shipper positivity posts and similar crap on tumblr and twitter a while back. I've also noticed a lot of these fics could have any character's names swapped in or out and still read the same, so maybe it's a way for people to track a kink's tag or whatever and read what comes up regardless of fandom, only needing to google the character's appearance instead of actually being a fan? Plus if you're into it it's probably superior in the self-indulgence department than regular shipping fics idk
No. 1874024
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>>1874002>Are those the same types screeching about “oppression” despite being part of the upper class? Yea know, the same affluent types with nothing to lose? It’s kinda odd that so many SJWs turned out to be rich kids and not actually lower class who know what real oppression looks like. I mean, they tend to be leftists. I was literally part of a communist group in University, and we were all upper-class kids essentially LARing. We talked a big game, but none of it actually made any sort of impact. Most of the actual big workers parts were basically ethno-nationalists, and we were also lying because we were liberals pretending we weren't.
(derailing/racebaiting) No. 1874025
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>>1874024meanwhile this is what the relevant workers party look like, actual working class people and some socialism, but also promoting social conservatism and a ton of ethno-nationalism, like they won't let you join if your not from a specific ethnic group.
(derailing/racebaiting) No. 1874036
>>1873956It’s so fucking annoying every time I look for content of an m/f ship there’s a hundred posts by unfunny zoomers going “they’re T4T!” or “they’re actually yuri!” Are these people so afraid of liking a basic het ship they need to jump through hoops to prove a man and a woman kissing is actually “totally gay?”
And if it’s not that, then they turn it into pegging. I don’t even hate pegging but it’s so unfunny at this point, if a woman is written with any hint of agency that means she’s basically the man sexually according to Twitter.
No. 1874037
>>1874024I find it hard to believe that you were in a communist group since most student unions are banned
if you're paki that is but off campus groups do exists I went to a art school and we had a lgbt group which had fucking animal Kinners and troons but I guess that's the case with every art school in the world
(derailing) No. 1874069
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>>1874052You can't blame us, fandom does all the work giving us stuff like this (IDF made an Israeli superman-esque and people started to draw their spidersona kicking his ass).
No. 1874092
>>1874081the third gender still exists in pakistan lol but not as in twans is
valid!! progressivism but as in abnormalities kek so literally stating them as mentally ill and most of these troons are trans "women"(these men are accepted mostly due to superstition its believed that if they curse you misfortune may befall you or a pregnant womans baby might die) trans men dont even exist here at all if they are most of the time its women who were forced to become men because either of their sexuality or due to having no working men in the family not because they can but trans men (aka women) are treated far worse than a hijra, and these notions existed before the english came mind you (Mughal times) i really dont understand how western gendies think they know better than the actual people living here,desi culture is NOT progressive
(derailing) No. 1874093
>>1874092The word we use for them(khusra) is literally corruption of an Arabic term meanting "to remove" and it's used for intersex people, gay men and eunnchs interchangeably
and your right about south-asian misogyny being the worst, it's hindu ultra-misogyny x Islamic ultra-misogyny.
(derailing) No. 1874107
>>1874100I mean kinda, in ultra-misogynistic societies they were never viewed as women but as lower form of men, the only example of a society where these third genders were used for the sole purpose of sex, were the muxe in Zapotec society, as women weren't allowed with in male communes and the Faʻafafine in Samoan society, which were just a bizarre custom where families with too many sons would have one their sons basically be made to "become a woman" so that he couldn't inherent land.
the vast majority of the eunuchs were just orphan boys or boys sold by their families.
(derailing) No. 1874113
>>1874093this, these men make heinous jokes with such glee but no you can't say anything about them. it's like they see racial issues SA immigrants or tourists may face and then decide then on that bc they're such
victims no one can tell them anything and that gives them free reign to make the most heinous jokes bc it's "fair" and a "joke" even though they're most likely upper/middle class men from their own country which their ancestry can be traced back to and of favourable castes.
also, they're so weirdly hung up over female kpop fans, specifically the idea of a SA kpop fan marrying some SK moid bc of it. It's obviously a retarded dream bc duh SK males, but it's a dream usually underaged girls will have, imagine being this caught up with what tastes a teenage girl has when most SA moids dream of manipulating a white girl into a relationship just so you can brag that you slept with a foreigner and say shit like "6000 mein russian".
(derailing) No. 1874114
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>>1874092>>1874078>>1874107This reminded of this NB bean comic, about how she struggles explaining her LARP to regular people, also claiming colonization is the only reason we have for the Gender Binary
meanwhile in reality
>The "third gender" term from Hawaia, Māhū, is a male to female identification used by (primarily homosexual) males who teach hula (they were allowed to perform in some temples that women weren't), and were known to "always be available for sexual conquest by men"; It is a role for gay men who act as performers and sex objects for other men>The "third gender" term from central america, muxe, is a male to female identification used by (primarily homosexual) males who dress in "female" clothes or otherwise behave "like women". They do jobs associated with females. It is a role for homosexual and GNC males.>The "third gender" used in Samoa, fa'afafine, is supposedly an identification used by males to signal "being between male and female", but the term itself means "in the manner of woman". So, once again, it is a male to female identity. Fa'afafine are known to do housework, care for families, and only having homosexual sex (sex with other men). It is a role for homosexual males. No. 1874274
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>>1874257Fujos keep fandoms alive and everyone knows that
No. 1874290
>>1874276They're more likely to make discussion and fanart, I guess?
At least, thats what I've seen it with more niche moidy stuff. Yume tend to jump in later only when it's clear it's not scrote minded and coomers tend to jump from series to series too quickly.
No. 1874332
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>>1874224It was on his old Tumblr FAQ. Note that he identified as a man then, but now doesn't of course.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200808012527/https://doubleca5t.tumblr.com/ No. 1874345
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>male character dresses like a grandpa on a retirement house
>omg such mother vibes!!!
what is the obssesion with modern fandom to call male characters 'mother/wife/babygirl'.
No. 1874351
>>1874346its the first time i bring it up schizo chan
>>1874347but i dont get it, he isnt feminine at all he literally dresses like a grandpa. There is nothing ''mother'' about him.
No. 1874363
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>>1874356>He doesnt look remotely feminine nor dresses like it.Be serious….I'd agree if you posted someone else but its fucking Nazuna he's one of the most feminine characters in the game
No. 1874366
>>1874360He's not feminine in the slightest.
>>1874363whats feminine about that? all the enstars characters dress in slutty clothes lol. Some of you sound like tradthots or moids sometimes.
No. 1874386
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>>1874382the designers just dont care about what modern men think its gay, because they think anything but jeans and a black tshirt is gay
No. 1874390
>>1874366>He's not feminine in the slightest. Are we seeing the same anime boy? Describe to me how he isn't feminine cause
>>1874363 looks like a slightly tomboyish anime girl. I'm sorry but he has anime girl face.
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Im honestly thinking some of you guys assume it's an insult and get defensive when your husbando is called feminine because in what world is this not a feminine looking boy?
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>>1874392What? No. How does a anime boy look like David Sylvian? I didn't mean to be rude, but I just can't see how Nazuma looks like anything but an effeminate man or at the very least, doesn't look feminine. I can't see it. I have seen masculine looking anime boys but Nazuma just isn't it.
No. 1874405
>>1874403Again, thats how you perceive it because whats feminine to you is whats feminine to moids. Femininity/masculinity is dictated by men. Men wore croptops and short shorts not too long ago, but nowadays its ''gay'' because men say so. Its just so tiring that male characters get ''feminized'' just for not being roidpigs wearing an old tshirt and sandals. Also funny how you cherrypicked a david sylveram photo with short hair kek
>>1874404and? thats not roidpig, anons are allowed to dislike those traits in male characters kek
No. 1874408
>>1874405And
nonnie, my point was that if people could shit on the husbandos too, they would.
Having more than one word to insult somebody is remarkable, but let's not pretend it's not the same bullshit.
No. 1874414
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>>1874408you are just making shit up
nonny. toji is an ugly character design you cannot except all women to like him when he's literally built like a hobbo. You seem to take nonnies disliking your taste in husbandos as a personal attack. Its funny because more nonnies were into toji than anons saying they disliked it.
>>1874412pic rel
No. 1874426
>>1874422literally all enstars boys are feminine according to men.
>>1874425because he's a male character, and men cannot be feminine.
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>>1874414>pic relI don't see how that looks like an anime boy. Not even playing bad actor here, but I just don't see it. I mean this with no ire or hatred. I especially don't see how Nazuma looks like David Sylvian. He doesn't have a square jaw. I'm saying this as someone who has the most feminine girly looking husbando imaginable. So much so that I can pretty much change his gender interchangeably without any dissonance. I just don't see how Nazuma isn't anything but a really effeminate looking man. Like, if you compare pic related to Nazuma you can tell there's a way to draw a masculine boyish looking anime young man. Enlighten me, what about Nazuma makes him look masculine to you?
No. 1874434
>>1874427imagine being sick and the person taking care of you is too busy shitposting on the farms about anime boys kekw anon go take care of that person
>>1874429He has the same fashion+long hair. He was super popular in Japan for his pretty anime looks too. Ofcouse no one can look anime, duh, i am referencing to the style of fashion+hair. Again, whats feminine and what isnt changes every decade according to moid tastes.
>Enlighten me, what about Nazuma makes him look masculine to you?he's a man, he cannot be feminine. Men have censored lots of games for having ''feminine'' men, which was basically just men that werent actual roidpigs. So its retarded to play their game when they will think every single enstars boy is feminine and gay anyways lol.
No. 1874445
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>>1874437kek thats literally the opposite. They think feminine/masculine is a feeling. Woman liking bugs and frogs? totes masculine therefore men. I cant believe lolcow of all places believes in that bullshit. Men cope and seethe and send death threats to publishers every single time they release a female character that isnt ''''feminine'' aka makeup wearing bimbo with a baby face and squirrel voice. The sexism in videogames thread is filled to the brim of examples of moids censoring male characters and replacing them with actual textbook examples of roidpigs because they deemed them too ''feminine''.
No. 1874452
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I genuinely dont understand what i am saying that is so insane. No one has been able to disprove that femininity is not made up bullshit by moids. Moids found pic rel too feminine and its why the devs had to change it.
No. 1874456
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And remember when moids used to shit on link and cloud for being ''gay'' and ''feminine'''? I am so tired of moids dictating what is and isnt feminine. Every single character made for women is feminine and gay to them. Any woman that shows any emotion besides bimbo no brain happiness is masculine to them. Genuinely why play their game?
No. 1874469
>>1874465exactly, because they get off to the perceived 'femininity'.
>>1874451my favourite boy is shu, and he gets transed out because god forbid men like dolls and fashion, thats feminine and therefore it means he's a girl! literally every single enstars character is feminine because men dont dance, sing, dress cute and gaybait, thats ''feminine''.
No. 1874474
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>>1874456>remember when moids used to shit on cloudNo because I’m a millennial boomer and back in my day squaresoft didn’t give a fuck
No. 1874480
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>>1874469>exactly, because they get off to the perceived 'femininity'.and that's why these types of moids transition at far higher rates, J. Michael Bailey termed it "paraphilia induced pseudo-bisexuality" that said I do think some modern fujos are showing similar symptoms.
No. 1874489
>>1874480Its funny because you are ''against'' trooning out but support the idea of femininity/masculinity being innate and not something you are socialized into and that's ever changing accourding to what moids think its feminine/masculine.
>>1874485then why are you labelling them according to what moids think its feminine/masculine?
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>>1874483
I am not the anon you are thinking I am. I have posted shu tons of times before and complained about the fandom trooning him out because of his '''''feminine'''''' interests.
No. 1874498
>>1874491Thats your opinion then, not some universal truth.
>>1874494Because the world is run by men for men. Men are the ones that stopped wearing short shorts and croptops when THEY deemed it as gay. Women have loved ''feminine'' men forever and it has never stopped men from calling them faggots. Every single thing a woman likes, from actor, to boy band, to husbandos, gets labelled as ''feminine'' by men. Men used to wear pink and skirts and make up before, but now its ''feminine'' because men say so nowadays.
>>1874495sure, but a male character being nurturing doesnt turn him 'feminine', its what i am trying to say.
No. 1874517
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>>1874512I genuinely have no idea if anons are just being contrarian or if they genuinely think femininity/masculinity is innate and not some bullshit by moids to shame moids they deem inferior as them and also make it 'okay' and 'not gay' to fuck said moids. Will smith is my favourite famboy babygirl btw.
No. 1874538
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>>1874528He isnt my oshi, but these anons would call my oshi ''feminine'' too. They arent really different from the TIFs who trooned out Arashi and all of the twitterspergs who come up with troon headcanons for GNC characters.
No. 1874547
>>1874528Trying to claim femininity is inherently masculine instead of just saying it's okay for men to like feminine things is weak and gay. It
is feminine, there isn't anything wrong with being feminine. Men can have feminine traits, women can have masculine traits. We don't have to try to transform the meaning of the word to our fragile sensibilities.
No. 1874631
>>1874556That's exactly what it is. I even see like celebrity men who try to dress (albeit very shittily) in a more "feminine" way and they rave about how it's askhually soo masculine because they're too fragile to handle being called feminine. What's
wrong with being called feminine? If you aren't a misogynist it doesn't matter.
No. 1874678
>>1874673You are the one obssesed with what moids think though. I dont think Nezuna is feminine but you are dead set on calling him feminine because what you define as femininity is dictated by men.
>The only characters in enstars that would be considered feminine are the ones in ra*bits, some of the cuter first years, and the ones with faggy personalities like arashi and shu. No one called characters like chiaki, kuro, or even the "neutral" boys like eichi, subaru, etc. feminine.again. TO YOU. i dont consider any of them feminine because i dont let men dictate what is feminine. A man cannot be feminine. What makes a men feminine? tell me, and i can give you 10 examples of men doing the same things decades ago where it wasnt considered ''feminine'' to do so.
No. 1874686
>>1874684I don't really care.
Okay, they're not feminine. They're faggy boys wearing faggy clothes doing faggy things. Better? Case closed.
No. 1874687
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Behold, the least feminine male on earth. The absolute state of shitsemble stars players.
No. 1874707
>>1874704I'm not bothering with whatever you're talking about.
This is unironically, just reminding me of this "antigenderfag" that wouldn't stop posting cuntboy.
No. 1874717
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95% of bully x victim ships, whether they are same-sex or opposite-sex based, are just excuses to have the most obscene kink-based smut fics.
No. 1874721
>>1874717bully x
victim is peak
No. 1874723
>>1874678Dictionary definition of feminine: having characteristics that are traditionally thought to be typical of or suitable for a woman
So it does not matter if the one who has such characteristics is a man or a woman or not human at all. It matters if it aligns to the social construct or not. Feminine is the adjective closer to femininity, while female is the adjective closer to woman. So yeah, a guy wearing makeup or a skirt can be called feminine, cause these things are seen as feminine. That being said I don't really know enstars and pretty boy being flirty is a rather low bar for getting called feminine.
No. 1874727
>>1874723>Dictionary definition of feminine: having characteristics that are traditionally thought to be typical of or suitable for a womanagain, whats considered feminine is flexible and its entirely dictated by men. Men 40 years ago whore sluttier clothes than anything nazuna has ever worn. Women in japan have also almost always sported very short hair while women in the west were ostracized for wearing short hair because it was 'masculine' it completly depends on what the moid in charge dictates.
>So yeah, a guy wearing makeup or a skirt can be called feminine, cause these things are seen as feminine.so, is a man wearing a kilt feminine to you? even though its the manliest shit ever in scotland? you are just proving my point that what is and isnt feminine depends on personal bias and culture. There isnt such a thing as femininity or masculinity that is objective.
No. 1874768
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heres the rest of rabbits mistaking nazuna for a woman and only realizing hes a guy once they grope him btw. hes supposed to be read as very feminine
No. 1874779
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>>1874768The irony when they look as feminine and cute as him… gachashit writing
No. 1874780
>>1874768Which story is this? So I can look it up (Not doubting you, I just like my feminine men kek)
>>1874684Kaoru, a man hater, canonically flirts with him when he mistakes him for a woman because of his feminine body/face. It’s okay to acknowledge Nazuna is feminine, he looks and likes things that are traditionally associated with femininity. What is not okay is thinking that this must mean he is female (troon HC bs).
No. 1874784
>>1874768Fwiw, I will keep to
>>1874686 and will consider them la la homo boys rather than feminine.
No. 1874807
>>1874721I'll never understand the hate behind bully x
victim ships like Bakudeku. They're just like hero x rival ships to me.
No. 1874809
>>1874807nta but i dislike it if the
victim is a girl because it reminds me of the "he only bullies you because he likes you" excuse teachers use
No. 1874810
>>1874809Victim x bully when the
victim is a girl aren't too bad, if only they didn't tend to back out of it after a tiny bit.
No. 1874811
>>1874687Kek I will never not find it hilarious albeit annoying as fuck how much cute, effeminate anime boys unironically
trigger autists. It's like the ultimate rage potion.
No. 1874916
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I hate both though and no one looks attractive in skimpy clothing.
No. 1874926
>>1874687That's right, he's the most masculine male on Earth! He's peacocking for women! Also looking youthful = masculine trait, it signals their desirability to women.
>>1874556But those definitions are cuckqueed,
nonnie.
>>1874768They all look masculine.
>>1874916It's true that it looks stupid tbh, but i also find it kinda endearing on male characters kek This at least should be an option you can choose.
No. 1874936
>>1874257Tumblrification of the internet.
You used to be able to avoid fujos by staying away from certain websites but not anymore since redditors started incorporating tumblr elements.
No. 1874969
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>>1874452LOOK AT WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US
No. 1874984
>>1874036I don't even understand where the t4t shit came from. Feels like it's an elaborate fetish people got bullied or memed into liking. Also it's not even only zoomers sadly. Tired of seeing these 30 plus cringe attractors acting high and mighty for being spicy straight.
>het ship… but the guy has a vagina and the girl has a penis! checkmate! give me a medal!Like no, I don't care and you have shit taste I'm sorry and I'm not obligated to be into it. How do troons ruin everything? You go to m/f, shit's garbage. m/m? shit's garbage. f/f? shit's turbo garbage. Literally your only recourse is to make up an excuse about dysphoria or something. When I go into a tag I don't want to be surprised by spontaneous and unwanted gay or het content when I'm not fucking looking for it.
No. 1875008
>>1874717I love how words have no meaning to these people. Enemies implies there's an equal level of hatred between the two people and they act accordingly. A bully and a
victim is just that—a bully and a
victim. These two tropes are hardly comparable kek, how retarded
No. 1875055
>>1874717>95% of bully x victim ships, whether they are same-sex or opposite-sex based, are just excuses to have the most obscene kink-based smut fics.You are absolutely correct. Nobody ever deals with the actual issues that caused the bullying. Or why the
victim would ever get together with their bully in the first place. These ships run on porn logic.
>>1874733> or do most enemies to lovers just don't have an enemy dynamic?Enemy to lover is vast and contains multitudes. It ranges from two people who casually banter with each other but are otherwise friends and get along fine to someone who murdered the other person's family, dog, pet bird, most of their friends, got them fired, burned down their house, aborted their child, kept in them in cage for months and tortured them, stole their car, and ate all their candy.
No. 1875147
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>>1874965no, anon. Everyone knows fashion, looking cute and pink are feminine because men say so! but lets ignore that all of the other characters, even kuro, would be considered effeminate to moids. Kuro is feminine because he makes costumes and likes sewing and thats a feminine trait!
No. 1875158
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still none of you can tell me why hes feminine. Seriously, thanks to people like you its why we have all the problems of modern fandom
>female character isnt a bimbo? then shes masculine!!
>male character likes sewing and clothes? totes femboy and actually an egg about to crack
>female character is asseritve? then that means she wears the pants in the realtionship and pegs moids
all of you sound like this sperg
No. 1875161
>>1875140>>1875147I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt, but is the whole fandom this deranged?
>>1875158Being completely honest about the Mario movie, I was a bit sad they didn't have any of her super smash bros moves (at least of what I could remember) it would've been fun seeing her throw random shit or use a Toad to block something.
No. 1875165
>>1875163Because you're still pissy about it when nobody cares about your gacha boys, it's a bit deranged.
Hiding gacha autism behind other shit, it's still gacha autism.
(just report and move on) No. 1875166
>>1875147> feminine traitKeyword trait vs whole presentation. If your presentation reads as female because you look and “behave” by society’s standards of femininity (>>1875158 this is NOT to say those standards are necessarily okay) then you are feminine. A woman with a buzzcut, no makeup, thick muscles and cargo shorts will be read as masculine because society perceives those traits as masculine (NOT to say this is the same as being a man). What do you not get?
>>1875140The game hints as the sakumas being vampires but because the game is based on reality you know they aren’t vampires. You know males still can’t turn into females so Arashi can’t be female. He likes make-up and acts fruity so he fits society’s definition of feminine (a socially determined category), though.
No. 1875170
>>1875165i dont even like nezuna.
>>1875166again, all enstars moids would be effeminated gay lors to men. I miss when we used to make fun of moids who projected their insecurities onto male characters by calling them 'feminine' nowadays it feels like everyone, even people supposedly against troon stuff still catters to men's opinions on what is and isnt feminine.
No. 1875176
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>>1875171he's not my husbando, again. And none of you can tell me why hes feminine. All of you are on the same level as trannies. I am so tired by zoomie faggots and their obssesion with being feminine/masculine and gendering absolutely everything. You sound like dobson kek
No. 1875182
>>1875177again, because it has nothing to do with me liking or disliking the character, it has to do with fandom and how they have to force their tranny agenda onto everything. My original post
>>1874345 was about it, until the tradthots jumped in to call him an effeminated faggot just because he isnt a muscle roid in worn out gymwear i guess
No. 1875201
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>>1875193again what is and isnt feminine completly depens on your personal bias. Men think any woman that doesn wear make up is butch as masculine, meanwhile what you think its butch is most than likely different. Men though pic rel was too masculine, do you think shes 'butch'?
>>1875195so i guess the trannies that pass are women then?
No. 1875204
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I profusely apologize for their behavior anons. I promise at least 3% of enstars fans are functional.
No. 1875205
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>>1875201all of you sound like this moid kek
No. 1875216
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>>1875205Well shit, I guess we just will never understand your heightened enstars brain,
nonnie.
May you spread this knowledge further on other platforms and not here, we tradthots are too brainwashed by men to understand the true husky manliness of enstar men.
No. 1875218
>>1875201>so i guess the trannies that pass are women then>trannies that passwhat a leap lmao- we're talking about a highly stylised drawing here, not real humans. all trannies are identifiable as their sex because they cannot escape the reality of biology and sexual dimorphism, no matter how they botch themselves or what hormones they take
>Alloyshe's got plenty of feminine features and is blatantly female, anyone who argues she needs to be prettied/thotted up is a bottom of the barrel retard and best ignored kek
No. 1875220
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>>1875216again, its completly subjective. You migth think its feminine, i dont. Same reason why moids cope and seethe every time a female character isnt wearing 3 layers of makeup and a pink dress. You are only being a contrarian because i play a game you autistically hate. If instead of my post i posted a twitter ss of some tranny saying that nazuna is a girl actually and transfem all of you would start agreeing with me. 4chan /v/ levels of brainrot going on here.
No. 1875223
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>>1875218>she's got plenty of feminine features and is blatantly female, anyone who argues she needs to be prettied/thotted up is a bottom of the barrel retard and best ignored kekso you agree what is and isnt perceived as femininity is completly subjective then? alloy was super controversial for being too 'masculine'. You dont agree with those moids, dont you?
No. 1875230
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kek moids were also seething because she had a ''beard''.
>>1875229exactly! what is and isnt feminine completly depends on personal bias. None of you would call her 'butch' but moids dont consider her feminine at all. Like seriously i never expected to have this conversation in lc of all places, the newfag plague is very, very obvious.
No. 1875246
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>>1875235What is femininity to you? What makes a man feminine?
And how comd a man whose body and presentation is so feminine it gets him mistaken for a female by other characters, who wears things socially associated with femininity, who likes things socially associated with femininity (cute things, little rabbits, pastel colours, small animal accessories, soft music’ etc) somehow not feminine?
No. 1875250
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The current success of Hazbin Hotel, even by people who disliked it, is a good illustration of why authors having creative freedom isn't always a thing. I do think restrictions have to be put on to create a cohesive story. Anime and manga have a very similar track period where editors forced creators to have restraints, with juvenile/pervy humor and have proper pacing
picrel are basically the confirmed changes that Kishimoto admitted that he was forced to add in by his editors.
No. 1875251
>>1875245see, now that i posted men saying the same you agree that it is a made up shit.
>>1875246again, whats feminine about those things? is alloy masculine because she isnt into pink and rabbits and doesnt wear make up? also, google also said that women are those who consider themselves women regardless of having vaginas or not KEK its almost as if the definition of words is always changing according to what benefits moids
No. 1875256
>>1875243> men used to wear short shorts and fucking croptops not too long ago, and it was considered normal.> used toAnon learns about social constructs
>>1875241> whats so masculine about shorts? you are the reason zoomies think 'genderfluid' aka just wearing all kind of clothes, is a real thing.You’re ironically playing right into zoomies genderfluid delusions, thinking that masculinity and maleness are bound to each other. Even if you don’t like it, even if you throw tantrums about it, masculine is the term for things socially associated with men (not the same as having cock and balls) and femininity is also very real. Saying it isn’t is denying the socialization females are forced to go through. We are socialized to be feminine, meek, spinning on a skirt, while men are socialized to be masculine, outspoken, rowdy, assertive, play tough. Is that not real? Is women’s oppression enforced by making us wear goofy skirts and makeup not real because (spins roulette) Ireland men wear skirts and visual kei men wear make-up so somehow those aren’t at all traits socialized into females now?
No. 1875257
>>1875250Sometimes it works out, sometimes the editor fucks up a lot.
Kishimoto got lucky, but I've also seen cases where they sex things up even though it was unnecessary.
No. 1875261
>>1875223I don't agree with your particular schizo babble, no. But if a lady passed me in the street looking like Alloy, I'd recognise her as female and not particularly butch/masculine. Please go outside and do some people watching, and try not to listen to the little man apparently living in your head.
Also just because some of the most retarded and pornsick moids shit themselves over her appearance, doesn't mean that was how normies reacted (even, gasp, normie moids)
No. 1875269
>>1875256i never said masculinity and maleness are tied to eachother, i just said its a bullshit made up concept, again, what dont you understand?
>masculine is the term for things socially associated with men (not the same as having cock and balls) and femininity is also very real.so is alloy masculine then? why? because she doesnt look like a pornstar?
>We are socialized to be feminine, meek, spinning on a skirt, while men are socialized to be masculine, outspoken, rowdy, assertive, play tough. Is that not real? Is women’s oppression enforced by making us wear goofy skirts and makeup not real because (spins roulette) Ireland men wear skirts and visual kei men wear make-up so somehow those aren’t at all traits socialized into females now?you are not only propagating it even further but also projecting onto a male character who isnt even real.
> Ireland men wear skirts and visual kei men wear make-up so somehow those aren’t at all traits socialized into females now?scottish men in kilt are feminine now? according to who, you? even though they are literally tradionally masculine in that country?
No. 1875270
>>1872072I just saw a 30 year old woman with 1500 followers tweeting
>the game ALLOWED you to date a gay manWhat compells someone to be such an NLOG?
No. 1875286
>>1875250in general, a lot of people think the best thing for creativity is boundless freedom, but actually having constraints (set by yourself and/or other people such as an editor or director) can improve both the overall process (as you have to engage in more problem solving and know the boundaries of what you're making) and obviously the end product. The problem with a lot of online projects is that they take a long time, have massive scope creep, and have little to no constraints over what can be done or included.
I do find it impressive though when a creator can still put out something coherent though when their work is heavily altered by editor demands, with dbz/Akira Toriyama being a popular example.
No. 1875287
>>1875282then you also agree with me that masculinity/feminity is subjective kek. You are so dead set in being right you are literally agreein with me but in a very pissed children way.
>>1875283so you agree with moids that alloy is masculine because she isnt wearing make up and pretty princess clothes like nezuna?
No. 1875302
>>1875291your hatred towards an autistic game fried your brain so much you are agreeing with moids just to 'own' someone who plays said game. If you disagree that alloy is masculine then you agree with me that what is and isnt feminine/masculine is completly subjective.
>>1875296i am saying literally the opposite. Why cant fashion and cute things be 'masculine'? men used to wear dresses and make up a long time ago, what makes it feminine now?
No. 1875345
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>>1875315>>1875292>truly wondering what story he had in mind without Sasuke involvedThat would be Kishimoto's samurai 8, where he had been granted greater control and without any constraints. Essentially, samurai 8 embodies what Naruto would have been like, traveling to various villages and going on wacky adventures
this interview goes more into it but I'll post the most important parts
https://naruto.fandom.com/f/p/2421257698017422741
>Kishimoto didn’t actually originally intend for that kind of setting. Originally he intended to focus on various missions that Naruto went on, meeting 4-man cells from other villages. The teachers of the 4-man cell would be Kakashis rival. But after discussing this with his editor, he was told there wouldn’t be time for such a slow-paced development, so he needed to come bring all these characters and villages out at once. You’re going to make a tournament. Kishimoto said he can’t do it and if he did it’d kill him [not literally], but he was told to do it even if it kills him. That is how the Chuunin exams arc came about. That was what he was forced to do. But even now he wish he could do his original idea about focusing on missions.>So he found it really difficult coming up with so many new characters and their designs in one go with no material to go on. So he asked for some designs from his editor to help, who saw a really weird looking keychain (?) and made drawings based on that, and that’s where Gai and Lee’s etc designs came from.>At the time he was just making these things up for the excitement and suspense, but didn’t pick up on what to do with some of these threads long-term until later. Basically he was making it up as he went. Even with Sasuke’s backstory, at the time of the Wave Arc, all that had been thought out was that Sasuke had an elder brother who had done something bad, and that was it. Kishimoto admits the planning was very hazy at this point. However, at the point where Itachi is actually introduced, Kishimoto had decided to secretly make him a good guy, but the reason he did something bad was because of circumstances. Kishimoto also says that although he introduced the Sharingan as being able to copy moves, the premise on what the Sharingan could do changed drastically over the course of the storyline.Here he's asked about Sakura
>On Sakura’s popularity & character - Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. >Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine. No. 1875366
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>>1875363lc users wish they were him
No. 1875388
>>1875380>It's usually just for virtue signalling purposes and so they have an excuse to show their ship isn't a lame "cishet" dynamic, same with how people used to say "my ship isn't het it's bi4bi" when they'd get shat on for liking M/F.In my fandom they heterofy m/m ships shipping the boys with women or the other male character genderbent as a woman and then say "b-but it's bi4bi!! stop calling it a heterosexual ship it's bisexual erasure!!!!". It's straight aligned unironically
triggered by being excluded from the cool rainbow kids club so they conduct all sorts of 7 layer 5D chess gaslighting strategies to make a straight ship not straight. It's nothing as "noble" as virtue signaling, it's just hurt feelings and insecurity.
No. 1875392
>>1875366I think i'm about to become an enstarsfag because of him, i will blame you nonnies
>>1875386Kek did that nonna get banned?
No. 1875412
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>>1875396Nonnie, there’s an event where one of the twins (abused by his father to the point he has to beg for food/money on the street) tries to kill himself by jumping off a building. The red haired character looks under his little brother’s bed looking for porn magazines and asks him what’s his taste in porn, makes dick jokes (“Ibara having a snake in his pants”) and there’s picrel. There are bodies of an hero’d students post-Eichi’s regime buried near the school AFAIK. It’s definitely oriented to young adults
No. 1875454
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Sokka being sexist was obviously shown as being in the wrong and him becoming better was a character development for him.
No. 1875457
>>1875454You already know it's going to be trash.
I've heard they changed many other story elements. Not even going to bother watching.
No. 1875466
>>1875454Here's what the director had to say about it.
>Sokka is a beloved character in Avatar: The Last Airbender. He's also known for a bit of comic sexism, at least in the very early part of the series. Ultimately, he grows quite a bit over the course of the story, but the reboot's creators nevertheless plan to change the emphasis on some of the parts of his arc they feel haven't aged quite as well.>One way or another, the live-action adaptation's creators seem to have their own ideas about how to approach the story. Speaking with IGN in a separate interview, showrunner Albert Kim echoed some of the points made by Ousley and Kiawentiio.>"There are certain roles I think that Katara did in the cartoon that we didn't necessarily also do here," Kim said. "I mean, I don't want to really get into a lot of that, but some gender issues that didn't quite translate from the cartoon.">"With Sokka being quite abrasive in the early part of the show, Kim said that Netflix wanted to guard against him being perceived as outright unlikable.>"Yeah. So we had to guard against that kind of stuff," Kim explained. "And so, those are things that aren't really changing a character as so much as updating them a little bit. And in terms of plot points, yeah, there was a lot of things that we, in the writer's room, we put down, 'These are the mileposts that we're going to hit'…We knew where the big story would begin and end. No. 1875475
>>1875205it is hilariously pathetic how the only difference is the thick layer of make-up and the customer service smile. Peak male retardation and face blindness. Wasn't there a scrote outcry over this character being gay too ?
>>1875345Thinking about reading this, I love Kishimoto's art style but could never be assed with Naruto knowing the writing is shit (and all the hot long haired dudes die apparently, which is actually even more of a deal breaker and the true reason I never picked it up as a teen, kek)
I don't feel too bad for him though when pretty much all Jump authors get bullied by editors into changing their stories and still manage to write something ok, even if it really sucks. None of this means much considering the enormous success of Naruto anyway.
On a side note Demon Slayer doesn't get enough slander for its terrible pacing and its overall surface-levelness.
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No. 1875701
>>1875514They’re probably doing that thing where they cast a vaguely Asian or brown person for every non-black
poc role kek.
No. 1875741
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>>1875711>>1875720Not mention also that fans will never, ever, learn about not founding any project that do not reek as scam for "representation".
Picrel. You would think people learned to do not give money to any project but here we are.
No. 1875744
>>1875741I wonder where did this lumping of kweers and
poc come from? Is it because they're the opposite of a straight white person? Still, why is sexual and gender identities grouped with races and ethnicities as if they're on the same level or comparable.
No. 1875749
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>>1875711I mean they do sometimes, but they're never very popular (or good).
No. 1875778
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>>1875749it makes me laugh when gendies make VNs, the datable options are always so fucking ugly. Why the fuck would i play a vn to date a bald fat moid or a moid that looks like he jacks off to loli feet?
No. 1875785
>>1875685Idk I actually kind of agree with this post. Fandom, just like real life, reflects all the retarded aspects of our society and unfortunately that includes racism, misogyny, etc. I can only speak for myself, but being a
POC in fandom is exhausting and one of the reasons I tend to stick to my own little bubble of the various fandoms I'm a part of. Though it kind of sucks that the media that does attempt to represent me is horribly written pandering garbage. That Validate game is so disgustingly offensive that I don't know how it was allowed to even be seen.
No. 1875796
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>>1875744I don't want to blame Tumblr's US-centrism, but I blame Tumblr's US-centrism for showing that "only white straight cis moids have privileges". Like if other
POC cannot have privileges in their own countries.
See the Washington Post's new about why Argentina didn't deserve to win the World Cup for being a "white country". Argentina do not pick their football players for being white. They pick their football players for playing good.
No. 1875798
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>>1875778I was expecting a fanmade videogame like Dream Daddy, but mfw is an official Nintendo game.
No. 1875801
>>1875798no fucking way, is it? last time i checked the page it seemed like a shitty indie game made by tumblrtards
>>1875796kekw unrelated but i hate that ugly haircut so much and i hate football players for popularizing it here reee
No. 1875803
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>>1875798I looked for the source and it linked it back to Nintendo Store. No way I'll pay almost $72 for that.
And could be worse, I have seen moids with these haircuts and they're so ugly!
No. 1875830
>>1875785I agree that fandom can be exhausting for
PoC, but not for the reasons wokies believe
>absolutely no nuance regarding race and privilege outside an American context>”representation” limited to politically correct pandering garbage or caricatures so offensively ugly they circle back to being racist>always used as a pawn for some wokie’s agenda (esp WoC) but as soon as you express or do something to the contrary then you’re excommunicated>Eurocentrism everywhere hence why the “all anime characters look white” takes still live on No. 1875836
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So, regarding the whole "masculinity/femininity" debate, I'd like to give my perspective. My brother goes to an amateur boxing club, and I drop him off there. Now, here's the thing, the teenage boys and young guys in their 20s are very attractive there because they are young, have low body fat, and are fit. I swear, half of them could be male models. I think the same thing applies to male soldiers. My father(who served in the special-forces) showed me pictures of his training and the members of his unit, as well as soldiers from other countries they worked with and they were also, all young and attractive men.
I think there's an issue we have caused by media where we due to the narrative of action movies, we see steroid-ridden middle-aged men as the "peak of masculinity" when that reality isn't the case IRL.(derailing)
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>>1875836You made me remember how Japanese people recognized Björn Andrésen in Midsommar. The same actor that inspired many shoujo/yaoi comic back in the '70s. You would have never thought that old man made authors draw him in each manga.
No. 1875884
>>1875685It's funny because as a "
poc" the people saying shit like this are the one who ruined fandoms for me. I like escapism, I like talking about stories and characters, writing, gameplay, etc. and not be reminded during my free time at home how everyone hates me for being born with slightly more melanin and a bigger nose than the average European and don't want me to have a nice job or a nice apartment.
No. 1875903
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Ugly moid propaganda is real.
No. 1875913
>>1875903eh, gojo's pretty and all that but a lot of people are tired of seeing him and his googoo eyes all the time. Bet a lot picked Senshi because he's not-gojo, or because he's nice and would cook them dinner kek. These polls really don't mean much because most people are just jumping in for fun or trying to 'win' against a popular character's fandom. Sometimes a character has enough non-fans they could lose to a show in one of these polls.
>>1875910Sans has had way too much influence on a bunch of women when it comes to what they find attractive (though you could say that for a lot of undertale characters tbh), you can always pick it from a person's art and current faves
No. 1875960
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>>1875903Why do uggo men likers act so smug about their shit taste? I couldn't care less if they are into unwashed, fat manlets but many of them sincerely believe that they are doing something groundbreaking by liking ugly fatties as if this isn't already the norm in the real world.
>>1875913>These polls really don't mean much because most people are just jumping in for fun or trying to 'win' against a popular character's fandomThis explains it. I feel women who do not like Gojo constantly feel the need to pit him against their husbandos. I remember once Knyfags were comparing Uzui with Gojo and they all agreed that Uzui is superior because he has 3 wives(so heckin based!) unlike Gojo who is a loser virgin kek.
No. 1875976
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>>1875965>>1875960So I understand people have different tastes, I like tall fit guys being stoic, some people are more into pretty boys, like picrel, some women will prefer guy on the left and others guy on the right but both are hot in their own way, that said that this 'attraction' to fat, hairy, bald men is one part the issue of fangirls who ended up dating these ugly men, another part is some misguided social activism allegedly against cis-hetro euto-centric beauty standards, and there might be also be a certain level of propaganda and psy-op as well.
No. 1875987
>>1875981Kek, are you drinking deer right now nona?
>>1875983I have to agree, one of the posters here has a bishie Jojo avatar.
>>1875960 No. 1876009
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>>1875230Unrelated but this level of detail reminds me of this Simpsons bit. It's well passed the point of diminishing returns on detail.
No. 1876014
>>1876007Honestly the reactions in the comments of the poll are all saying shit like
>>1875960 posted in her picrel so even though it's a "joke poll" people are still using it as an opportunity to brag about liking fat hairy men and how "hairless twinks" (i.e. normal anime men) aren't attractive at all.
No. 1876066
>>1875685I love not being a Westoid. I can engage with fandom in my own country and all of a sudden the whole "
poc like me :(" discussions disappear because it's just foreign Western media to us at the end of the day. Only problem is they're homophobic as fuck.
Istg people need to stop looking up to Western media as the default or a saviour that will represent them perfectly or whatever. Please engage with international media what's the point of globalisation and the internet.
Unfortunately the US-centric rhetoric is infectious and takes over any space
>>1875711They do and it gets mocked by everyone, including the people they're trying to pander do. That is even if it gets off the ground.
No one like their stuff, not even themselves.
Their worldview is so narrow but admit
>>1875903Isn't it obviously a joke or they're contrarians. If you want more proof checkout the amount of edits/fanart/YN fanart for each character. JJK's popularity unironically depends on that blue eyed fucker.
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I'm not sure if this might be an unpopular opinion, but I genuinely believe that SK webtoons represent the epitome of any form of media. consider this, when was the last time you read a korean series that didn't rely on 100 sets of tropes right from the first chapter? Korean webtoons cater purely to our lizard brain, providing instant gratification to their brain-rotten audience. They lack substance, way what you want about "woke western comics", at least have interesting ideas and are doing something innovative.
No. 1876126
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>>1876123don't forget shit perspective.
No. 1876155
>>1876116This is missing the sudden korean patriotism.
Ngl I laughed when I was reading this romcom and it suddenly went into a completely uncalled lecture about the reunification of Korea. Like its cool, I learned something new, but what?
No. 1876184
>>1876174Hey, so they get reincarnated or teleported to the past. Thats how the story goes on. The female lead after she gets killed two of these options happen:
1. She gets teleported to the past and tries to make the cold husband who killed her and left her for another woman fall in love with her and beg for her, then they end up together and this time the husband loves her.
2. She gets reincarnated and has to start over from the beginning or she gets transported into another world.
Also its not just the husband in many cases its everyone around the female main character just abuaing her and she has to win the hearts and approval of all those people.
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>>1876174nta but reincarnation, I read this crappy isekai-medieval story that involved the execution of an entire young woman's family by the emperor. When she dies, she's transported into the body of her 12-year-old self. Her goal is to influence politics and the future emperor to prevent her family's execution. also, the future emperor is forced to disguise himself as a girl and is considered effortlessly beautiful and attractive. He's even considered more beautiful than the female main characters.
No. 1876204
>>1876144>it never goes beyond a vague aestheticIt's simple. Behind every run-of-the-mill uninspired fantasy world is an author who can't be assed to either open a book to learn about history or go outside to learn about the present world. No one wants to take on the full challenge of being a writer anymore, they just learn to draw and panel and that's it. They underestimate how much knowledge you need to write something decent.
My tinfoil is that this is the reason stereotypical fantasy, and isekai and video-game based stories in manga/anime became so popular lately as well… As we know, authors care less and less about actual writing and instead rehash other otakus' tropes. Having a story where the entire setting is a giant trope, is very easy for them. No need to even look out the window, who needs a topic to write about anyway ? You can just set your entire story in a bootleg of a bootleg of a bootleg of your favorite vidya, isn't that great ?
No. 1876206
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>>1876204I enjoyed a few of these series, but after reading a couple of them, the rest started to feel redundant because cause it's like you said "a bootleg of a bootleg of a bootleg of your favorite video games" so, so I don't understand the appeal. The same goes for all the villainous stories.
No. 1876217
>>1876204>As we know, authors care less and less about actual writing and instead rehash other otakus' tropes.That's nothing new, it's just way more obvious now. You always had obvious inspiration here and there like Bleach and JJK being inspired by or similar to YYH because YYH is a huge classic, that's normal. Then you have shit like isekai shojo manga that are directly inspired by Angelique because the author is into that game or into otome games in general (which is why the whole "villainess" archetype is now a thing. It's from how there's a rival in Angelique games). And then others will see how successful that new manga is and will copy it without even knowing what it's about. In another thread months ago, I don't remember which one, an anon talked about how one such manga was made by a guy who explicitly said he never played otome games and didn't know anything about them even though his story was based on that specific genre. The anon was complaining that promo art for the manga or the anime adaptation focused too much on the cutesy female characters and not enough on the bishonen love interests, so that explained it. Then you have the shit ton of heroic fantasy manga and anime inspired by Dragon Quest. Like "omg I got killed by truck-kun and got reincarnated in a world that works just like a JRPG" and it's fucking Dragon Quest. Clearly the characters never get transported into a bootleg version of Spira or Ivalice or the Pokemon world. The one exception I can think of is that one BL manga about a guy getting murdered and teaming up with the villain of his favorite JRPG before the game starts because the "villain" vaguely reminded me of Dark Schneider's alter ego, the useless shota in Bastard. I don't remember the title.
Speaking of Bastard, most fantasy anime, video games and manga in the 80s and 90s were inspired by Dungeon and Dragon but were still their own thing. Bastard is this but also inspired by heavy metal and was a dumb battle shonen manga with fanservice, Slayers felt like a parody at times while also have a more serious plot, Final Fantasy always had batshit crazy plots and melodramatic characters since the very first game, etc. And what would count as isekai back then wasn't just a shitty pretext to throw some bland self-insert in a Dragon Quest like setting. There were many genres and audiences. Magic Knight Rayheart is a fun shojo manga with mecha. Escaflowne clearly targets multiple audiences and has a serious plot. The 12 Kingdoms sometimes feel like horror depending on the novels/arcs and was inspired by Chinese mythology, etc.
No. 1876234
>>1876217> one BL manga about a guy getting murdered and teaming up with the villain of his favorite JRPG before the game starts because the "villain" vaguely reminded me of Dark Schneider's alter ego, the useless shota in Bastard. Hey anon what's the-
>I don't remember the title. Dammit.
No. 1876239
>>1876209>Like "omg I got killed by truck-kun and got reincarnated in a world that works just like a JRPG" and it's fucking Dragon Quest. Clearly the characters never get transported into a bootleg version of Spira or Ivalice or the Pokemon world. The one exception I can think ofEh, there's quite a few, but it always takes like, 100 chapters of "how to scam the locals/system and get rich as quick as possible" before it turns out the world was on top of a turtle the whole time and people turn into turtles and fly into space instead of dying.
I remember one where it was only if you read the book you get
>oh btw the world is actually a small chunk of dying earth, theres no such thing as space, aliens exist, the magic beasts are all artificial creations created by a crazy bitch and most of our native culture has been destroyed, here's a list of all the races genocided from a race war. No. 1876272
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Needlessly politicizing husbandofagging will never not be funny to me.
No. 1876274
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>>1876273Considering OP said they're going to block all white people who follow them, I presume they just mean liking their posts without following them?
No. 1876284
>>1876283>that black yumes aren't getting asspats from the fandom communityThis one
>or if they're mad at white yumes for husbandoing black characterBut also sometimes this one, though they also get mad if white yumes don't yume any black characters.
No. 1876286
>>1876265which were the first ones you ever read
nonnie? for me it was Bastard, which is by the same guy that did Sweet Home, i read the second one too but dropped it bc i couldn't keep up with releases, but from what little i read, i still preferred Bastard.
No. 1876287
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>>1876116In the early days of the internet, my only exposure to Korean comics were the 2spooky ghost stories with the GIFs and the funny ones from pic related. How far they've fallen
No. 1876292
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>>1876287Manhwa used to be really pretty too back when it was still following the manga format of printing in b&w, now it's all garbage tier plastic art. So sad what could've been
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Now that I think about it I'm kind of curious how exactly they know who's a white husbandofag.
>and make more f/o imagines posts that are clearly intended for white people
I feel like this would only be the case if your husbando is a nazi boy into aryans.
No. 1876297
>>1876281Right? Like what the fuck is the "selfship community", just a bunch of narcissists with delusions of dating anime boys? Why should they support each other anyway
>>1876294I kind of wish she'd make direct callouts, this is so vague and the beef would be so funny to witness
No. 1876300
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>>1876291>wtf do they expect us to do then? They're just kinda the type of person who's always mad about something the whiteys are doing in regards to husbandofagging of all things.
>>1876297>just a bunch of narcissists with delusions of dating anime boys?Seems so.
>Why should they support each other anywayI guess it's one of those things where as long as you don't have the same husbando (since they all hate sharing and refuse to interact with people who have the same husbando on their very long list) that you're allowed to support your friends or something?
>I kind of wish she'd make direct calloutsSadly I have yet to see a direct callout, just a bunch of vagueposting.
No. 1876306
>>1876305Nah it's definitely not the same. Men are genuinely jerking off to meme fetishes, women are virtue signalling and getting a little dopamine rush from pretending they're quirky enough to lust after nonsexual ugly characters rather than being a basic bitch who likes bishies. You just have to check the ao3 stats to know.
Unfortunately the lust for old male characters (like Sherlock blerghh) is real. But even then I assume they have to reimagine them as hotter than they are in order to write them. Even cute moids get written as hotter than they are a lot of the time.
No. 1876308
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>>1876305We had Pocket Bishonen in the pre-tumblr days and almost every male character there was conventionally attractive. You even had to take a quiz in order to capture the character, so basically you had to actually know him in his actual media than some cultural osmosis shit people nowadays do
No. 1876309
>>1876300I don't really get the hating sharing/other people interacting with your husbando bit.
Like, don't many have canon love interests? It's not like you're going to actually end up with them. Isn't it done for fun?
No. 1876332
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>>1876304Since the beginning of the internet people have more often fought over who gets to be 'the one true wife' to the husbando, just look at deviantart Sephiroth wars. If anything it's chilled out a bit since now people just get the 'DNI' as opposed to active internet wars.
No. 1876334
>>1876305Women were always settling for ugly moids; it’s just that Tumblr sexymen are a flavor of ugly moids for autistic girls and NLOGs. At least some of the earlier Tumblr sexymen like Onceler or Reigen, I can see being appealing to the average person, but Tumbly sexyman is practically synonymous with old/fat/inhuman/ugly at this point
>>1876326They only appear similar on the surface - getting memed into liking some flavor of the month fad. But the muscle mommies, tomboys and goth girls are all still conventionally attractive women.
No. 1876337
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>>1876305>like i dont remember women lusting after ugly characters pre tumblrSnapewives, Invader Zim yumefujos, etc etc. I think tumblr was def more into the uggos though, probably just comes from a lot of the women on it being into contrarian nerd culture.
>>1876309I think a lot of them just ignore the canon love interest?
>>1876326Goths and tomboys are drawn pretty sexualized.
No. 1876347
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>>1876341AND DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT SHARING ANY OF HER HUSBANDOS
No. 1876354
>>1876347Jeez, is she trying to make a private army?
>AbuI guess he's cute but he has literally zero dialogue.
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>>1876358Depends on the yume, I personally don't get why you would have more than one husbando but people in the 'selfship community' like to have full on armies.
Can't speak for other people but if someone had the same husbando as me I'd actually be more excited to discuss them rather than go all schizo posessive, but I guess that's kind of what happens when you all like the same guys from basic bitch idol gachas.
No. 1876363
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>>1876340i mean, these women are actual fatfags kek at least the super annoying vocal ones like pic rel
No. 1876370
>>1876347I like how her "spouses" are gacha game bishies and a cool woman, and the rest of her list is weirdos and cookies. I bet those top choices are her actual husbandos and the rest are just characters she likes
>>1876362same, my husbando is popular but I love all his fans (even the fujos) because they have great taste
No. 1876376
>>1876370>I bet those top choices are her actual husbandosEh, she changes her main husbando like every week so I doubt it.
I think people just husbando gacha characters because they're popular and not because they actually like them most of the time.
No. 1876388
>>1876381It's probably different with gacha.
When a character doesn't actually have much of a character or is paywalled, you make up for it with numbers?
No. 1876421
>>1876300Sounds like she's mad that her posts aren't getting enough notes or having as many followers and pulling the race card for it. I tend to interact with fandom people who post the same things I do, if someone's husbandos are from series I don't care about wtf am I supposed to do but just passively like the post? Especially if her list of husbandos
>>1876347 are from popular series and refuses to share them.
No. 1876604
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>>1876241>truck-kun killed me and now I'm reincarnated in my favorite Square-Enix JRPG that shall not be named, I can shoot destructive laser beams from my butthole to kill and the evil goblins and fuck all the hot blond elves with big breasts!!1!I fucking despise how Isaeki's have interfered with the representation of elves. they have reduced them to a porn category, as you mentioned, where they are portrayed as blondes with big tits who exist solely to be romantically involved with a dull main character or to be sexually assaulted by monsters drawn by porn-sick mangekas.
No. 1876607
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>>1876597Benefit of the doubt, they might mean the tomboy tan, where they're very tanned everywhere except a perfectly shaped swimsuit area
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>>1876607I hate this because the swimsuit is also always a school swimsuit.
No. 1876667
>>1876607AYRT, speaking purely on the physical traits, I guess I still don't get the hate. I think sporty brown girls are cute, and again as a brown woman, I actually don't mind when people like brown charas (temporarily tanned or just in general). Tan lines are kind of just par for the course if someone is active anyways, so it can go hand-in-hand if you like women like this. I also wanna point out that I personally find muscles on women attractive, and it's a huge plus if she's someone I can share a hobby with, in this case: working out, so again I don't understand hate against women who choose to get abs and stuff. Also, the whole "muscles/deeper voice/cusses/spiky short hair = boy" being listed in that image is so
sus to me lol. God forbid a girl is rowdy and can stand up for herself, or has muscles/a deeper voice/scruffed-up hair because apparently that should only be for boys or whatever. Maybe I don't get it because I'm a lesbian and find all those traits endearing, especially because most of those I can relate to or they're ones I also find attractive. Hell, I've met a good number of other lesbians in relationships with these traits as well, so it's wack to me to assume this type of girl is only ever the fantasy of cumbrain channer moids. The image really lowkey feels like a reverse of those "Me vs Other Girls" where the "Other Girl" is hyper-feminine, except this time it's about more "masculine" girls. The only
valid thing to point out really is that it's cringe as hell when loser moids fantasize about cool girls like these liking them and turning into tradwives for them. Then again, they tend to do that with every type of woman, really.
No. 1876684
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>>1876678Benefit of the doubt, but they also just look like typical one piece swimsuits you'd see some swimmers use.
No. 1876705
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>>1876692This, pretty sure the image was made on 4chan by 4chan, so it's more that they're specifically from the standpoint of seeing the stereotype nonstop and getting tired of it, like pic related.
No. 1876752
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>>1876740Ngl I feel like somebody would start something and it's offtopic anyway, I'm sorry.
No. 1876757
>>1876727objectively most media period is complete garbage. books, movies, tv shows, video games, fanart, etc. it's all a lot of trash. sometimes that trash is prettied up (genshin impact, bauldr's gate 3, etc.) but trash remains trash.
>>1876735yeah, isekai is honestly a great example of sturgeon's law, for every show like 12 kingdoms you have 1000 more "i was a loser and then i got transported to a world where magic is represented by video game uis and this hot girl who wouldn't spit on me normally is in love with me and i got a harem?!" shows
No. 1876765
>>1876755feminine boy≠femboy, tbf.
Despite how the word came about, yeah. Things changed and people stopped saying trap.
No. 1876777
>>1876773Nonnie did you read what I was replying to
>femboys in my head are otokonoko (astolfo, bridget, etc. characters who i can't tell are male by looking at them)If this is the definition we're going by, then trap and femboy are the same and both are different than a boy that simply has what modern society at large would consider to be feminine.
No. 1876798
>>1876795Ntayrt but
>pc term for trapSo it's a word that got mutated into being something else and is now getting further mutated by moids.
No. 1876802
>>1876801Then tell
>>1876755 that she's wrong, I guess.
No. 1876816
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>nooo femboy actually means trap like astolfo it doesnt mean any man that isnt a roidpig to moids!1!!
>meanwhile moids(derailing)
No. 1876829
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>>1876824the account is by a pickme. This is what happens when zoomies become obssesed with gender and labelling everything, nowadays link and cloud and any male character that isnt a roidpig is a fucking femboy thanks to zoomies
No. 1876835
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bishies are femboys too, actually. Any male character that isnt baki levels of roided shall be turned into a femboy, no male character left unfeminized and turned into a porn category for men!
No. 1876840
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I still have no idea why some of you are so angry. It doesnt matter what (you) think, most weebs in the modern anime fandom think Cloud/Link/any non roided male character is a femboy. I fucking hate zoomers, we cant even have cute male characters designed to appeal to women anymore, no, they have to be turned into something else to appeal to moid's fetishes.
No. 1876954
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>>1876829>>1876816Kek if you're somehow still into pm you should be talking about the stupid drama instead of this femboy shit. I don't play anymore and unfollowed everyone who does, but I still see some of it randomly. I'm glad I never interacted with anyone in it, I've rarely come across such a rancid fanbase. Half of them are male coomers that use reddit and the other half are terminally online zoomers. Picrel is from a week ago when an artist was bullied out of twitter for drawing a character that canonically doesn't like to show skin in a bunnysuit. It really doesn't make sense to draw him like that, but it also doesn't fucking matter. The OP goes on about how if you absolutely MUST draw him, the least you can do is include his scars! Which have never been seen because they don't exist on his new/current body kek
And the shipping discourse… Oh my god. Everyone gets shipped with everyone, they don't even have to interact much to each other it's enough if the idea seems good but some ships are considered
problematic because
checks notes I Don't Like It. Saying Sinclair can't be shipped with anyone because he's minor-coded, same with Don Quixote but she's also autistic and delusional (so too mentally ill to date anyone!!). Heathcliff can't be shipped with Hong Lu because he's poor (which is an interesting assumption to make about him) and the other is rich (or used to be at least), but that doesn't matter if you ship Hong Lu with Yi Sang, Gregor or literally anyone else (they've all been dirt-poor at some point). You can't ship Gregor with Yuri because they are clearly familial, etc. All this moral posturing about fandom while actively playing a game made by people who fired a woman at incels' request because they were mad the summer id wasn't sexy enough. You can't make this up
No. 1877064
>>1876970i did a double take when i saw Shu
plus Mika. made me kek. Like does she imagine herself as the third wheel?
No. 1877147
>>1876954Yeah for real, how are there still people playing that shit that aren't coomers from 4chan/reddit? Every woman I know dropped that game after they fired a female artist because incels attacked her for censoring the game (the culprit was a male artist drawing a character in a covered up outfit).
Every female artist I followed nuked their account for that fandom and I haven't seen it since then. I feel bad for playing some korean games because I think they enable their incel community.
No. 1877259
>>1876337>Becomes completely shy and submissive in bed.Lol, goes to show that these so-called simps don't actually rough and tumble and confident tomboys—it's more like as if they have a fetish for "correcting" unfeminine characters' behavior through the mystical power of their diiiiiick.
Istg these fantasy posts often emphasize the "oh she's secretly girly but is too insecure to show it and secrely wants to be a tradtoth" blah blah blah. You just know that the idea of a "full" tomboy intimidates them too much.
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>>1876305The “original” sexymen were basically just bishies filtered through a Tumblr-cartoon style. They were pretty much all slim guys with cute cartoon faces. People were mainly surprised people were attracted to these characters because they were often gijinkas like Bill Cipher or that clock guy, or came from unsexualized media like the Onceler. It annoys me to see people calling any ugly guy a Tumblr sexyman when back in the day, the discourse was people calling 14 year old girls “
problematic” for liking tumblr sexymen because they were all “skinny white guys”
No. 1877297
>>1877279agree, and imo there are far fewer true tumblr sexymen then people make out there being- neither Gojo nor Senshi, to use that poll as an example, really count because they're either already pretty (Gojo) or just a liked character from a fotm anime (Senshi). They're not manic enough characters with odd designs and loud/flamboyant (and slightly pathetic) personalities, and the attention around them lacks the frothing autism of other tumblr sexymen.
(DA also had its own weird 'sexymen' interests, with a lot of onceler stuff originating there as well as characters like Zim etc)
I could be wrong though, but I just don't think the term applies to any old popular male character on tumblr. They've got to be more stiking than 'dwarf with cartoony eyes', and there be autistic slapfights over whether bishification or presenting them as they are in canon is the correct and true path to enlightened fanart crafting kek
No. 1877300
>>1877279I'm just tired of everyone always being mad at women and girls for liking stuff at this point, and for making us fight against each other.
>I like guys with [insert random characteristic]>noooooooooo you can't like guys like that! It's not okay! It's actually cringe, unbased and harmful and it makes people think that you're [insert random insult or word that always has a negative connotation when it's used to refer women]>I like female characters that [insert random characteristic]>nooooo you can't like that! It's actually sexist and/or unbased because liking that makes you [insert insult or word that when it's used to describe women, has a negative connotation]Just make it stop already.
No. 1877311
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>>1877297Lel I used to like Invader Zim as a kid so I remember that stuff vividly. People would even try to make him look like a cute anime boy. Zoomers toss around the “sexyman” meme but they’re missing the heart of it, which was girls really shamelessly turning weird characters “sexy” (by the standards of 15 year old DA weebs). Zoomers are too irony poisoned to get it, which is why they slap the name on any random uggo
No. 1877319
>>1877311kek god this kind of art takes me back. just everything about it, beautiful.
I think part of the 'slapping tumblr sexyman on any random uggo' is partly to try and make the character seem more popular than he actually is, as if there's the same horde of ravening fangirls behind him as eg Bill Cipher had, and not just a handful of fans enjoying their niche pick within a decent-sized fandom. Bit insecure, honestly.
No. 1877327
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One of my personal favorite series that I enjoy reading when I'm feeling down is Gokusen. The series revolves around a woman who was raised to be the heir of a Yakuza family but decides to give up that life and become a school teacher at a school for delinquents and hijinks ensue. throughout the series is the unrequited romance between an 18-year-old delinquent main male and the 23-year-old protagonist. They end up dating in the last chapters, after he has graduated, and I believe it was handled well. However, if it were to be released, I could imagine the massive backlash it would receive from Western fans who might accuse the author of being a pedophile.
No. 1877373
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>>1877360Personally, I never witnessed this with Bill, but I believe you. My experience was with San from Undertale. There was an insane discourse that if you ever drew Sans as white, thin, or with average height, you would basically be accused of being an actual fascist or Nazi. Like obviously, everyone is entirely entitled to their headcanon and whatnot, but no these people insisted that Sans was short, fat, and black. If you didn't draw him that way, you were labeled as a racist who followed Euro-centric beauty standards.
No. 1877376
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>>1877360This, also the whole ''why are straight womenc caring about husbandos instead of female characters reeee'' from trannies
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>>1877373I can kind of understand the thinness/height complaint, as like 60% of Sans' character design is him being stout (and his brother being a beanpole), but also who cares kek- fanart is for having fun. Did they have any particular reason for him to have to be black, other than the usual fandom activism shtick? Almost every time I see a non-human character get aggressively fanon'ed as black, the reasoning behind it is often pretty sketch if not outright racist, which is unfortunate. Also have a fat bill kek
>>1877384Yeah Homestuck honestly has had a fascinating amount of influence over online culture its not funny, so I wouldn't be surprised. It definitely would have effected Undertale, as iirc there was a lot of fan-overlap there
No. 1877397
>>1877384Never got the deal with homesick, even when I was prime age for it. It felt annoying.
Then again, I remember being into Paranatural and look how that shit turned out.
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>>1877405I stopped years ago but from what I remember, it went on a really boring arc full of hiatus, then tranny mode and also introduced a black blind cripple x Muslim lesbian love.
No. 1877616
>>1877376Because the female characters are badly written, uninteresting, or are irrelevant compared to the other male characters. It's not that complex.
I do agree with the point about shipping, I don't understand why fans have this compulsive need to ship characters then get into fights about it.
No. 1877884
>>1877616Yeah, I'm not a shipper or yume but I still end up with more male favourite characters on average because there's just more of them that line up with my interests/aesthetic tastes compared to female characters. Sometimes it's not even about the female characters being badly written/uninteresting/irrelevant compared to their male cohorts, it's just that the ones present wouldn't grab me even if they did have the most depth and best writing out of the cast.
Either way, there's no point linking a lack of interest in female characters to things like tumblr sexymen because that phenomena is all about their fans being attracted to them and, well, fanatics about it. No shit the average fangirl doesn't treat female characters the same in that context kek
No. 1878003
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No idea what this new drama is, but Galefags are the worst part about this fandom
No idea how they don't implode over Astarion being canonically racist
No. 1878024
>>1877616Nice misogyny
I hate how supposedly "female" fandom spaces bend over backwards to hate women and pretty men
No. 1878038
>>1878033NTA but where did
>>1877616 mention anything about attraction. The whole post is about how female characters are written, which includes personality
No. 1878107
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>>1876155reminds me of this
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Your a degen, good to know
No. 1878363
>>1878003honestly, i find the whole fandom annoying as hell. i KNOW the game is for selfshippers, but i hate seeing everyones ugly tavs shoved everywhere, all over the place. i'm a wyllstarion shipper through and through, and i have to suffer with scraps- but thats fine.
i do see fans excuse astarion being racist by pointing out that basically aaaall the origin characters are racist- which is like, lol, true.
No. 1878400
>>1878260They don't actually make that much money.
Adaptions are usually cheap and cut and edit so much apart it's more of an interpretation and the ln is usually just as cheaply produced, some stay free to read.
Some authors still have their day jobs/find the ln business annoying enough to want to go back to their day job.