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General anime discussion, absolute destiny apocalypse edition
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Starting this thread with an extremely hot take. I watched Nana and I hated it. It's supposedly this very sad story about human relationships but all I saw was Nana K. being a dumbass and staying immature till the end. she supposedly sacrificed her happiness with a decent dude to be with an asshole who will support her financially but will probably won't give a fuck about her or the child and the child will end up fucked up. I believed that she would mature after fucking up with men that much or that she would be called out on acting so much like a dog but even though she was told off by her friends, I think she got away too easily with her bs. Probably the dynamics of the characters are shown better in the manga, and I know this manga is incomplete therefore the anime is too, but I couldn't understand anyone's point of view. Maybe it's a personality thing as I have seen people getting emotional on how impactful the series have being in their lives but I just can't get it. Due to this alone I may be missing something but for me it was just wasted time
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Hey I was just thinking about Utena earlier and I think my opinion is a rare one:
Ikuhara is not an LGBT champion, he's just another male artist who has a fixation on idealized lesbians (anime lesbians, still more idealized than real gay women) or otherwise non straight dynamics. This isn't necessarily because he's a pervert, otherwise he'd just draw some doujins and go into yuri hentai instead of using it as a storytelling tool to tell the tales of otherwise implausible dynamics like CLAMP does and other female authors who do fujo material. However, it's on record that he hated Mamoru from Sailor Moon for being the idealized prince charming trope which he broke down in his next work; I think it's interesting that he really loathed what is pretty much a straight female fantasy, one that is just as common but much more harmless than seeing gay women as fetish material. Hardly any little girl who grows up in love with the idea of princes needs it beaten or abused out of them to shatter the illusion like the cast of Utena, we just age out of it. Usagi's romance with Mamoru is pretty weak after the first season - but it's like that precisely because he kept getting written out in favor of an increasing number of characters. Ikuhara basically doesn't like what can be a perfectly fine and healthy fantasy of many girls while having a pretty strange focus on what he will never have or be (gay). As I write this, I'm thinking of that one bizarre interview where he recalls a girl who rejected him which involved him vividly imagining being an alien (or something like that) due to the extent of his feelings and I can't help but think he must have some strange ideas on what it means to love women. I'm not seriously positing anything bad about him as a person but it is food for thought. Take this with a grain of salt because I'm not gay either.
Even though I mainly complain about Nana K. here, in general I couldn't get the appeal of the story overall. It's a top rated anime/manga that very few people seem to have criticisms of, but I couldn't find many things to like about it(aside from the artstyle, Yasu and Nana K.'s friends who seemed like the only rational and chill people in the anime). I just don't understand how Nana K. got so little flack for her choices aside from "your choice sucks but if you love him whatever" without thinking long term.
Also the subplot about how Shin is a minor prostituting himself for money and how the Trapnest singer gets so attached to him even though she is like 23 doesn't seem to be brought up that much
. I also couldn't get how the two Nana's got so attached to each other esp. with Nana O. admitting she got Nobu to become Nana K.s bf so she would have her closer to herself
. I've seen people saying how they relate to the characters or the situations but all I saw was mostly dumb decisions by most of the characters.
>Does the anime have the scenes in the future when her kids are in primary school?The last episode shows Yasu, Nobu, Nana K., her one child and Shin many years later in a get together where it is unclear what Nana O.'s fate is but it's implied they are waiting for her to come back. Honestly, without having read the manga at all, I thought this was a sad story because Nana O. died at some point.
Well we could start making a collective one. Possible rules:>no movies>nothing released this year
If it's a list it could be infinite, but if it's a chart a bit more than 50 titles could be enough. I'd personally like it to include more post-2008 than pre-2008 anime, as the few already existing anime recommendation charts heavily focus on pre-2008, and a recommendation chart should make you discover new things
I personally would start by putting in:>Madoka Magica>Revolutionary Girl Utena>Kuragehime>Sailor Moon>Azumanga Daioh>FMA Brotherhood>Mononoke>Shin Sekai Yori>Shiki>Panty & Stocking>Asobi Asobase>Baccano>Psycho Pass>Serial Experiments Lain>Princess Tutu>Mushishi>Gankutsuou>Boogiepop Phantom>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei>Kino no Tabi
Disagreements and new entries are welcome, and for the chart to be complete we'll really need the opinion of anyone here who has watched 300+ animes
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Honestly most of the older /a/ recs worked for me. The lists that contain series like Gankutsuou, Utena, Madoka, Tutu, Haibane Renmei and all that. Ignore recs that list modern isekai.
Something more "recent" I cannot recommend enough that you might have already watched is Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu. I have never seen another person watching it and not liking it. It's the life story of two rakugo performers/hanashika through youth and old age, their arguments and issues, drama and a bit of history and a lot of thoughts on rakugo.
I also recommend Fune wo Amu (The Great Passage) if you want something super comfy and realistic with a bit of bittersweetness. It's an anime about a bunch of people creating a modern dictionary. This is the entire plot, but it's great.
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Can someone rec me animes similar to Vampire Hunter D? Older stuff from the 80s is fine as well as modern stuff
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I never watched it tbh because the characters looked too bitchy for my taste.>>258414
This. Ikuhara NEEDS a co-director to rein him in. He is super creative and artsy and great at depicting emotional scenes (see his Sailor Moon episodes too), but let him loose and you will get some pretentious semi-story that everybody gives up on understanding halfway in and maybe there isn't even a clear meaning behind all of it.
IIRC Revue Starlight was done by an apprentice of Ikuhara and this series is fucking awesome because it bears his traits and the artsy scenes but doesn't go overboard with all the symbolism and chaotic narratives that prefer interpretative variety over concrete storytelling.
Speaking of which >>258365
give Revue Starlight a chance, anon. If you haven't already.
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Ntayrt but I think the first season is good enough, at least to make it to the list. Although most of my favourite moments come from the shitposting on /a/ while it aired, I think it had an interesting premise that wasn't executed perfectly. Still a fun watch.
Some other anime I'd like to add to the list>Monster>Dennou Coil>Sonny Boy>Cromartie>Samurai Champloo>Haibane Renmei>Michiko to Hatchin>Kuuchu Buranko>Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita>Shinsekai Yori>Mob Psycho>Dorohedoro>Odd Taxi>Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken>Ergo Proxy>Aria>Heike Monogatari>Kaiji>12 Kingdoms (I remember someone here recommending it - it was really good and relatively under the radar so I think it would be a great addition)
Versaille no Bara
Shigatsu wa kimi no uso
Nausicaa, Porco Rosso
This, PP is trash
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Don’t mind me I’m just posting the most important camera shot I remember from s3
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Couldnt disagree more. His creativity is exactly what this industry needs. Utena movie which was mostly in his control was great. So was Penguindrum. Sarazanmai was fun, it mainly suffered from cramming too much in 12 episodes but I imagine things like episode lengths are out of his control. Absolutely agree on YKA being dogshit though, that show was borderline insulting for something that was trying to “““critique””” society and lesbians/yuri or whatever BS conclusions people came up with. With the reigns-on I guess his ideas do become more digestible but I personally love seeing the absurd things he can come up with and drawing conclusions from that.
Revue (TV show) was not bad but imo the script really lacked. Repetitions for the sake of repeating lines to seem “deep” instead of using those repeats to recontexualize the lines after something happened in the show. I also couldn’t bring myself to care for the main character compared to some of the other interesting girls.
The Revue film, however, was fantastic. An incredible conclusion to the TV show and I felt that every character was handled perfectly.
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Shocked and appalled people hate Yurikuma Arashi this much
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list needs to have Shirokuma Cafe (2012)
it's so good
I liked it.>>258482
Honestly I dropped Revue after 3 episodes. It was just dramatic nonsense, they dumped 100 characters on me at once with no build up and I'm suddenly supposed to care about them when I can't even tell them apart? It wanted the drama of Utena without any of the work of writing Utena.
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Most girls who read the manga like 15 years ago with me in middle and then high school wanted to follow Nana way more than Hachi because she had a specific goal, she seemed way cooler and stylish on the surface and she wasn't braindead so she was way more relatable by default. I loved the manga until the moment when Hachi decided to not abort. What I don't get is that while I don't hate Hachi that much it's never explained why exactly she's so fucked in the head. She acts like she has to be a cutesy obedient gf/stay at home wife which I guess makes sense as these are the expectations for Japanese girls from her time, but her family is way more normal than her and nobody ever pressured her into being dependant on men. She was already fucked in the head when she was "datin" the salaryman in high school, you'd expect some kind of backstory explaining how she got brainwashed into thinking she's worthless without a guy, even something simple and relatable like how she used to feel very lonely while growing and wants as many friends and loves ones as possible but nope. There's nothing.
I think maybe I should try to watch the anime to get some closure since it seems to stop right before the manga introduces even more characters and plot points that are never developed because of the hiatus. To this day I'm still wondering when Hachi will divorce Takumi the mega faggot and we just don't know. It's like Hachi is punishing herself for being a total doormat and a loser instead of getting her shit together once and for all because in the future scenes in the manga it seems like she and everyone else have considered that option. If we get a proper ending I expect something like Parakiss, where the MC and her main love interest don't stay together because this isn't working out between these two (and that's an understatement when it comes to Takumi and Hachi) but still.
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The anime is great imo, I haven't read the novels though so maybe it would be different for someone who has (I hear they made changes). By far the worst part of it is that it ends too early and nothing is resolved so the novels might help that.
Fuck I was so invested it it esp pic rel.
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Hachi hate is never based.
Its mostly cause the people who dislike her look down her actions without ever really trying to understand her as a character and reasoning behind her actions. Real world experience is needed to fully enjoy NANA tbh.
If Nana O., The girl everyone prefers, sees worth in Nana K., Then maybe its a look inwards people outta try
#REAL ONES KNOW THAT THE HATE NEEDS TO BE CAST ONTO SHOJIXSACHIKO, LEILA, AND TAKUMI INSTEAD#
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Mamoru was objectively a boring character. Ikuhara co-created and directed Wedding Peach too and there's no lesbians in it, the difference is the dudes in it (minus Limone arguably) actually have personalities outside being a love interest. For all I know he is a lesbian fetishist but let's not pretend writing Mamoru out wasn't a good decision for Sailor Moon.>>258450
Gunslinger Girl? Really? Season 1 maybe but Season 2 was gross pedo coom trash.
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I don't hate her as a character but I find her super frustrating. If she was someone I knew irl I would want to slap some sense into her. She's a retard and is surrounded by retards who can't control her. For once she was in the right when she stated she was disgusted with Shoji cheating on her and depressed and what does Junko do? She goes all "hm well sweaty maybe you're actually responsible for being cheated on! Think about his feelings!" how the fuck is Hachi going to move on with her life and be more mature if she's told retarded shit like that and constantly dismissed when she has actual issues and needs support? But that doesn't excuse what happened with Takumi and Nobu. No offense but Takumi's dick CAN'T be that good. As I said I started the manga like 15 years ago when I was a teenager and loved it, and now that I'm rereading this as an adult I realize how literally everyone in the manga is mentally ill and has temperature room IQ precisely because I have far more experience in life now. Except Yasu (maybe) and the drummer from Trapnest. I could sperg endlessly over the manga (and maybe the anime later if I find the time to start it) because I like it a lot but lord, the characters are so fucking stupid. Before I read this thinking "wow the characters are grown adults and mature, it's a nice change compared to other shojo manga I read" and now I'm like "why the fuck is this shitty brat talking about getting married and staying pregnant when she can't even keep an easy job?"
>REAL ONES KNOW THAT THE HATE NEEDS TO BE CAST ONTO SHOJIXSACHIKO
Nana should have dropkick both of these fags in the restaurant parking lot I DON'T GIVE A FUCK what anyone will say, they absolutely deserve it. Fuck when Ii reread the manga and saw Sachiko openly flirt with him and wearing high hills so she could miss the last train and sleep at his place? I wanted to strangle both of them. Fuck Sachiko.
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I wish I could find again that one source where it explained that Nana COULD be a Yazawa’s autobiography. She was friends with the two singers that voice the soundtrack and the manga have astonishing similarities to their “counterparts”.
When all is said and done, I believe all characters are at fault because they are young adults, in that weird place when you are both adult enough to take big steps but not enough to be “smart” with your choices and words.
Everyone’s stupidity is painfully relatable and that’s what upsets me the most, they are just how fresh 20s year old are.
I do not believe it is a manga about “consequences”, well in a sense, it is, but it’s mostly a love letter to their past selves and reflection on the mistakes everyone did in the past, both being not supportive and not there for them (in a sense, Junko was an awful friend to Nana once she got to live together with her fiancé. I get she wanted to slap some sense in Hachi, but she was just there to blame her and tell her “it’s your choice”. She profusely washed her hands off the needs of Hachi), both the self punishing that lead to everyone’s suffering (I believe Nana K. stood with Takumi because she thought she deserved the suffering after gaslighting herself into thinking she wanted to be the ~ perfect wife ~ for so long), staying after someone that just wants to live their life, giving up on everything for them (Yasu, Nobu), and so much more.
Not Takumi, thought. He’s just an asshole and deserves the rope, abusive fucker.
Ah and that pedo uwu too pure to exist uwu Leila. Do I hate her with all myself, she’s always pretending to be the poor princess victim while she 100% knows what’s happening around her, and if not, she’s double stupid and I hate her even more.
Wanted to add that it annoys me how Nana O. is loved when she’s as abusive
and stupid as everyone else, wanting to manipulate everyone’s relationships because she couldn’t decide to let go of the past and be honest with her feelings towards Hachi.
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it will never not be funny how much Nana makes people seethe even to this day
It's totally supposed to piss you off so I don't blame anyone for being angry, but it's so funny to me. What a great series lol
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i think he's hot sorryyyyy my least favourite character was nobu he needed to grow some fucking balls KEK
Nobu is a bit stupid and naive but at least he's not an abusive
bf so whatever.
Finally someone who hates shoji and sachiko. People love to excuse and shift blame on Nana k. And im glad Nana O. was ready to beat their asses cause ik I wouldve done it regardless of what Nana k. says.>>258564
I do agree too that the support for Nana k. always seems to be rooted in the other characters selfishness and not out of actual concern for nana k. Tbh nana k. Seems like the only one with pure motives most times.
Junko pissed me off so much. Her excuse of "Well, Shoji is also my friend" after she hid and basically tried to play middle man to nana k. about shoji cheating. She talked about it like she was trying to be a good friend to everyone except that she def sided with shoji as if she wasnt HS friends with nana k., Victim
blaming nana k.
Also I found her "more mature than you" persona annoying if anything her jumping into an engagement so quick at her young age already shows her credibility.
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The greatest troll of all: Ai Yazawa NOT FINISHING THE FUCKING MANGA
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I know absolutely nothing about Nana tbh so I can't participate in this discussion, I was too busy with other hyped series in 2006/7.
Speaking of good series has ANYBODY ever watched Mouryou no Hako? It was beautiful and well written imo and one of the few anime with a very strong and satisfying last episode that explained all of the mysteries.
You're correct, and that's why Hachi decides to stay with Takumi but I don't even get why she even forced herself to have a kid to begin with when she can barely take care of herself. If I were her I would have aborted. But then again I'm super different from her to begin with so I wouldn't even have been in that situation to begin with.>>258578>Finally someone who hates shoji and sachiko.
You're joking, I thought everyone else hated them. My classmates in high school would sperg with me over these two kek. What pissed me off when rereading the manga recently was that Junko and her bf were openly hanging out with Sachiko as if nothing strange happened here like. I forgot that ever happened before, it made me so mad when I saw it.>>258580
At least she has a very good excuse, unlike CLAMP and X1999.
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Takumi def as an appeal to him looks wise but so does nobu plus he is nice. Honestly though even if Blast became popular at the time where hachi was preggo I don't think NobuxHachi wouldve lasted and she would still inevitably be with takumi due to limited options OR Nana O. wouldve def stepped in for Hachi further fueling the the otp yuri flames
What NANA characters would be worthy of a thread? The milkiest character?
Considering the connection to jrock, Ik for a fact that most of these characters would end up with a thread. But a particular hate boner for Nana K. Would make her containment thread way popular because half of the anons would be seething because she gets to live the celebrity husband and friends dream despite her flaws kek.
The milkiest character for me would def be Reira
Add Eizouken> I'd personally like it to include more post-2008 than pre-2008 anime
Agree. Everyone already know which classics are good, but nowaday it's hard to find good stories in a sea of trash
God Reira annoyed me so much, anyone care to further analyze the relationship between her and Takumi? The way I see it she is kind of the ultimate madonna (VS the "whores" he sleeps with) to Takumi, hence why he refuses to have sex with her despite her beauty, but when Nana K becomes the mother of "his" children she is replaced in that regard. That would explain why she potentially feels threatened by Hachi to the point where she gets Takumi to cheat on her.>>258582
Wait doesn't everyone hate them? I thought that they were deliberate ragefuel.
random thank you post to whoever was talking about golden kamuy in the last thread, I just started watching and love it so thx!>>258450
idk what kind of list this is supposed to be tbh but I tried to just write down anime that (as far as I can remember..) don't include disgusting fanservice and moe shit that I liked, regardless of genre:
Carole and Tuesday
Lady Oscar (or whatever it's called in English idk)
Sakamichi no Apollon
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Reira and Takumi def have a sort of Madonna Whore complex going on except the attraction is one sided.
It all boils down to the fact that takumi is a narcissist. I don't actually believe takumi really "loves" and its more of a control thing for his own benefit. Hachi is such a people pleaser and pushover, she serves as an ego boost for takumi and because of her loving disposition she also serves as a comfort to heal his troubled childhood wounds thus he places her on a pedestal, something reira could never be as she is a part of that cruel reality of his. Reira is stuck onto the long standing connection between her and takumi, she could have anyone in the world and the one she wants won't even look her direction. She seems obsessed with the chase. But for takumi, reira is but a tool for his desires. His desire to succeed and thus his reluctance to any romantic intimacy may be because he thinks that if he breaks her heart he would lose his ticket until his very lack of romanticism with reira is what will cost him TRAPSNEST something he has worked most his life for and thus he allows reira to cheat with him. His wishing for her to fall in love with another is so he doesnt have to risk further complications and wants it shoved onto someone else in a "clean" manner. Im sure that if shin was of age takumi would have had no problem pushing shin onto reira.
One could theorize that PedoReira and Takushit are another version of Nana O. and Nana K.
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add Banana Fish (2018) to the list>>258592
how have I never seen Rainbow? I feel like maybe I read the manga but I can't remember.
I liked it a lot. Maybe I'm simple, I just wanted Dino Golzine to die (did not care how)
and he did so I was satisfied.
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Banana fish was ok until shorter dies
then it gets boring, as if the author planned the story until the impactful scene of his death
and didn’t think about the rest much. I also hated that they introduced a new villain like 3 episodes before the finale. Was I supposed to give a fuck about him?
Ash is very cute though
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thought of another one: Sakamoto desu ga?
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i feel you anon, there are older series i'm really attached to and i would love to watch them again with my friend, but she's very used to newer ones and i don't want her to get bored
I need to give this one a try. Definitely agree with what you said, I love the art and the visuals but ultimately it's supposed to be an anime, a run time full of pure art and no concrete storytelling is not that enjoyable to me. Speaking as a person who willing watched the Hungarian Foam Bath and Belladonna just to be able to experience them.>>258539
Mamoru is bland but I wasn't really focusing on what his exclusion says about him or SM and was more pointing out what a male director thought about part of the creation of a female author's (pretty blatant) wish fulfilment piece without saying either is better than the other, just that for someone who likes yuri themes a lot he ironically wrote out a straight couple. Imagine if he had the creative freedom to use Mamoru himself to break down some of those tropes instead of waiting until Utena and there were episodes that showed Mamoru doubting his future with Usagi or something like that, that would have added an interesting layer to a romance about your past and
future love. Mamoru is okay with it for like all 200 episodes.
I don't think Ikuhara is this simplistic but there's an attitude you can see sometimes in Japanese media (and I'm not familiar but I wouldn't be surprised if it was found in older western media about homosexuality too) that's like:>Love is love!>Boys can love boys>Girls can love girls>Brothers can love their sisters>And adults can love children
Where homosexuality is just another taboo, used for fetish fuel or dramatic forbidden love storylines. There isn't really much thought about whether people in real life practice any of these things, and it certainly isn't being created with actual gay people as the audience, even if it's eg. an f/f couple in a work targeted at women.
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Here's a male focus list I saved from /cm/. You can choose what anime is lolcow approved.
I don't have enough friends I think. The few that are open to anime watch them since the early 00s so they know all old series I know.
But I wouldn't wonder if most people were impatient with old series. I never understood it, no explosions doesn't equal boring. It's about the content and what is said and revealed and how characters develop.
It's ironic because I actually find most modern series boring as shit. I don't understand how people can deem LogH or Lain boring but then watch the umpteenth isekai that is just a lot of BlahBlah where the hero explains how he'll rule the fucking kingdom by using his strategie game knowledge.
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>>258859>Ace Attorney right next to all the N+C visual novels
Fucking kek, I'm losing it. And whoever made this should add Vision of Escaflowne, 12 years old me had a crush on Van so it should fit whatever criteria used here.
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watch this show. it's good. has canon bisexuality and gay marriage, the plot so far is excellent (school setting with duels) but i just wanted to highlight my shock at such a relationship being addressed without a lot of sexual overture or incredible shock & disbelief.
still watching (first episode was so hype i wanted to come here and scream about it) so i guess we will see if they go /u/fag with it but i dunno, it's gundam so i doubt it.
…it's actually kind of like utena, i guess, but if anthy was the one rolling in with the sword of dios.
for the fujosisters: there are cute boys too.
Wedding Peach already does this, anon. All the girls get wish fulfillment love interests and only Dean got written out (and he was only in the epilogue so that was probably just a case of that not getting adapted than anything else). Ikuhara didn't mind any of them. Mamoru really was just that boring.>>258852
Yeah, I think this is more likely the case. Lesbians being used for a forbidden romance angle, not for some kind of "representation" rep or the real life implications.
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I've watched this recently and I liked it. The idea that people in isekai world can manipulate fate and make their own fanfiction into canon is both funny and interesting.
Also tbh I think the main couple of that show is pretty weak, so I'm not sad when Hitomi went back home in the end. I still feel like they were missing something since the whole "romance adventure" started with her got reluctantly dragged along the drama. /a/'s incel brain really hates Hitomi because of the ending and love triangle even though she wasn't solely responsible for it
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Magi is one of my all time favorites but the manga got so convoluted and weird towards the end and the ending felt so lackluster. I wonder if they'll ever finish adapting the end into an anime, even if I hated it, just because I love the series and want to see the timeskipped characters.
I tried to watch nabari no ou but that shit put me to sleep.
Also Aria is one of my favorites. Very comfy and relaxing.
Isekai was actually good before the web novel shit started. I loved Rayearth and Now and Then and others as well but yeah Rahxephon was awesome. Sad we aren't getting any isekai mecha anymore. >/a/'s incel brain really hates Hitomi because of the ending and love triangle even though she wasn't solely responsible for it
I loved the two main characters but I didn't see any genuine chemistry either. She was dragged along and he was the heroic fighter who buddied up with her to defeat the villain. I also think that the ending "I love him so much I decided to stay here despite that I hate this dangerous world" is a really corny ending that can only work with absolute peak writing and characterization.
I meant Escaflowne!
That said I just posted about Rahxephon elsewere and liked that as well. Albeit not as much as the original NGE.
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No one has suggested Samurai Flamenco yet?
I am obsessed with melancholic and silent post-apocalyptical series, due to a lack of a better word.
I mean anime like Casshern Sins, Girls' Last Tour or Houseki no Kuni.
I can only absolutely recommend them to everybody that likes stories that are dark-bittersweet and nostalgic but not edgy. If anybody has watched the latter two though you should give the manga a chance. Girls' Last Tour in particular only has like 20 more chapters or something and the last few are hit hard but in a good way, especially the art museum imo. People that read it know what I mean. But the anime adaption itself was perfect.>>258933>>258935
Agree I totally forgot to mention it. One of the very few series that genuinely surprised me from start to finish. The first episodes were awesome and down-to-earth in a way anime rarely are, but then THAT happened and I was too baffled to judge it I could only wait for the next episode but it had like one story-defining plot twist every few episodes after that, it was an experience of its own.
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ZETTAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU
ZETTAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU
ZETTAI UNMEI MOKUSHIROKU
watashi no taaaaanjou
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>>258987>I am obsessed with melancholic and silent post-apocalyptical series
This is exactly the kind of series I love. I think it's the existential nature of post-apocalyptic settings that I'm drawn to, not the "dark and edgy and everyone's killing each other" side of post-apocalyptic, or stories that are more about societal breakdown. Really this sort of setting is just another way to explore themes of mortality and meaning, but on a species-wide level in addition to an individual level. Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou has this vibe at times, though obviously it's mostly very peaceful and humans are going extinct only very gradually.
Have you seen La Maison en Petits Cubes? Not sure if the setting counts but it is very similar in tone to what you're describing.
Also reading the GLT manga made me think that the author has some form of depression
>>258987>I am obsessed with melancholic and silent post-apocalyptical series, due to a lack of a better word.
I mean anime like Casshern Sins, Girls' Last Tour or Houseki no Kuni.
have you watched kaiba? it gave me similar vibes to hnk, lots of loneliness and body horror
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anons please watch heike monogatari if you havent already
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So this is the one where Anno's not-the-good-kind of tism was showed the most. The characters in this anime monologued a lot. Right at the first episode already had the MC said her character to the viewers. The worst case was when some girl was exposed with her subtle bullying, what she did afterward? She fucking monologued in her head about how fucked up she was. I still enjoyed watching it but eventually this kind self-awareness started to annoyed me around first 10 eps. Not even Shinji in NGE monologued that much, he only did that in special circumstances.
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I watched/read Magi a while ago and enjoyed it a lot (though I totally agree about the end, it was convoluted af). But the other day I tried rewatching it and I forgot how cringe it could be>Aladdins introduction includes him, a small child, motorboating an old fat mans tits and asking him why he has oppai
my god lmao but I forgive the mangaka because it's an obviously clueless attempt from a female to appease male coomers, and she really made 99% of the male characters hot af which is a blessing. Still love SinCHAD and I enjoyed his spin off too.
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Personally I enjoyed the autistic monologues because teenagers taking themselves extremely seriously, overanalyzing things and making everything out to be way more important than it really is is pretty fitting.
My biggest gripe with Karekano was Maho and how she was portrayed as mature for being a 15 year old in a relationship with a 28 year old dentist.
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I want a replica of the rings they wear (black rose, TV or movie, I don’t mind) but can’t decide which fan made one by various sellers looks the best. I avoid the ones where the emblem is just a painted pink circle and black lines, it looks better embossed to me. And they’d better get the shape of the band right.
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Ooohh, I forgot all about his spin off! I started it but never finished it, maybe I should now kek.
Kouha is my favorite. Ja'far and Titus are right behind him.
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Basically.. the number 13 is super important in aot since from chapter 1 page 13 it foreshadows chapter 138 page 45. So we gotta look at patterns of 13.
From chapter 56 if you keep adding 13 it will lead you chapter to chapter of clues. Chapter 69 in particular has a panel of Levi where he is draw facing away from the reader. Without adjusting panels at all his outline fits perfectly against chapter 108's hooded figure. Both are positioned the same. Furthermore, coloured chapter 69 was released alongside the last chapter, Isayama implying this is an important chapter for clues. Chapter 69 is full of flower & crown symbolism. Flowers are associated with the Ackerman clan due to their name meaning "Ploughman" and crowns are associated with the Royal bloodline
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But there is more!
Chapter 107 revealed Historia is pregnant. Alongside this chapter Isayama selected from the Q&A section a hypothetical mixing of the Ackerman-Royal bloodline.
In the forest, Levi is often seen looking nervous and worried at the mention of "miscalculated children" and his popularity with women. He won't look anyone in the eye who mentions Historia. In ch 112 he even has an actual memory of Historia looking happy..
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We get this strange panel where the imagery usually foreshadows a plot twist…
There is another time Levi is missing during the Kiyomi meeting too.
>>259008>Have you seen La Maison en Petits Cubes?
Damn yes! And I should have mentioned it. Everybody should watch this IMO since it's great and short! Thanks for mentioning it. Not anime related but Petit Cubes gives off a similar vibe as To the Moon. If anybody is into calm pixel RPGs you should give it a chance.
>I think it's the existential nature of post-apocalyptic settings that I'm drawn to, not the "dark and edgy and everyone's killing each other" side of post-apocalyptic
Yes exactly. Dramatic edgy stuff usually pisses me off lol. It's sadly what's popular in the west, but I like the existential aspect way more. I even think it's more realistic.
Speaking of this, not a post-apocalypse but I think that the Magnitude 8 anime went down that path as well and it even has a good story with some big surprises. I liked it at lot.
I remember how anons were complaining about it back then because there was no mass panic like in hollywood movies, but then the Fukushima disaster happened just a few years later and the Japanese people were indeed disciplined and tried to get through this together instead of robbing stores or hurting others.>>259018
Kaiba is awesome and I think even underrated. Even Yuasa fans often ignore it but Kaiba and Pingpong are his best series/adaptions in my opinion. I legit cried two times watching Kaiba when I am usually pretty unemotional about anime.
Princess Tutu, Ousama Ranking, Jojo 2012, Mob Psycho and a lot of others I currently forget.
Some adaptions are simply better for going original (see Tutu or the comic->anime adaption Super Crooks) because the original is shit, has some grating content or is simply bad executed, some other adaptions are better because the anime looks better or because the series simply works better with music and animation (also true for Kaiji IMO).
people have been saying this since 2018 tho
it's just to piss off EreHisus
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i dont ship, but i knew it was supposed to be a mystery and i wanted answers. the clues were always there. now the levi simps will realize he was written to be a groomer
This is so stupid, please leave my man out of your theories. The only valid
and good ship is Ymir and Historia.
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i knew you are a fujoshi/levi simp. too bad two of isayamas main inspirations had royal bloodline/captains having secret babies together
levi is a groomer
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Who else thinks Evangelion is fucking garbage
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Frankly I liked it more when I rewatched it in my mid 20s. I liked the adult relationships and the general focus on their mistakes and choices. Not many anime with teen mc's have a well developed adult cast. I love Gendo as a character, he's really pathetic, stunted and retarded kek. I generally don't care about mecha because the big blocky designs put me off and I find them boring, but evas will always look and sound amazing to me.
I don't care about the muh symbolism and I'm not a diehard defender but I can see why it's so popular.
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It's a flawed series but I'd still recommend watching to it to anyone with a serious interest in anime as after all it broke new ground
Even as an Eva defender I don't blame you, 99% of males in the fandom are trash. In all my years in it I've only met a handful of decent men who weren't in it just to argue over waifus or who don't try to justify some of the series' creepier elements, and only one of those guys was straight, kek>>259325
Most kawoshin fans in my experience don't try to pretend Eva is perfect or above criticism like other parts of the fandom often do, but maybe my perception is skewed since I mostly just interact with a small portion of them. Japanese Eva fans are a whole 'nother breed of crazy tho, even the fujos who are way more chill in comparison
Same re: the sexualized shit. The moid excuse “n-no dude you don’t get it, you’re SUPPOSED to have asuka’s tits swinging in your face for the MESSAGE” is bs too, you can tell me a story about a pathetic hormonal boy without all that shit.
Also dont talk yourself down or feel too bad about not ‘getting’ Eva, its not even half as complex as it comes off or people make it sound. I still liked the story and characters, but it’s definitely overanalysed and presented obnoxiously for something quite straightforward.
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I think this is turning out quite well, we're having more recent anime than any other list, a lot more variety and there's no utter dogshit (that I know of…)
Now if I'm not missing anything too obvious I will proceed to graphic design this list to the best of my abilities. This will take days…
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I would add
- Sagrada Reset (has anybody watched this? Even on /a/ it had good threads back then)
- Mouryou no Hako (pretty and top tier dark mystery with handsome dudes)
- Sora yori mo tooi Bashou (the Antarctica anime with young women/older teens, it teaches you a lot of stuff and it has great moments, please watch it, also has 0 fanservice)
- Space Brothers (anime about ~30 year old adults that become astronauts, super down-to-earth and correct, it's interesting seeing how astronauts are trained. All that with great adult characters and a bit of live-and-death drama)
- I second Kyousougiga
- and Barakamon
- Noein (great sci-fi/action/romance drama with particular but pretty art style, it's the girl who tries to save the bf here not the other way around)
- Kaiba (this is very particular though so not sure how others feel about it, to me it was fucking great)
Maybe others have watched these as well and can agree or disagree to not make the list too random and subjective.
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this list is making me wish there were more recent delinquent anime
I have this non-shoujo and non-josei list I compiled from things I've watched and things I've witnessed others talk about. It's a list of anime that (may) appeal strongly to women (female gaze basically, whether intentional or not), but I'm not sure about the quality of all of them or what nonnies think of all of them. Still a work in progress.
Reasons for being on this list include things like female protagonist, relatable themes, non-fetishistic portrayal of female relationships, non-coomery female designs, husbandofag and/or fujo appeal, and/or female creator(s).
Also, there may be some titles that have already been mentioned (I want to know whether my list is accurate too kek, sorry). Please let me know what you think of it and add to your list whichever anime you think is good enough.
>Sakamoto desu ga?>Mushishi>ACCA>Ascendance of a Bookworm>Thermae Romae Novae>Kageki Shoujo>Mononoke>Kuuchu Buranko>Maiko-san Chi no Makanai-san>The Promised Neverland>InuYasha>Cells at Work!>Dorohedoro>Kuroshitsuji>WataMote>Wotaku ni Koi wa Muzukashii>Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun>Net-juu no Susume>Mob Psycho 100>Sonny Boy>Samurai Flamenco>Wolf's Rain>Ikuhara works such as Utena, Mawaru Penguindrum, Sarazanmai>Madoka>Hands Off Eizouken>Aggretsuko>Moomin>Vampire Hunter D>Trinity Blood>The Cat Returns>Shounen sports anime (Tennis no Oujisama, Kuroko no Basket, Haikyuu!)>Jujutsu Kaisen>Fullmetal Alchemist>Mahotsukai no Yome>Beastars>Aria the Origination>D.Gray-man>Haibane Renmei>Ousama Ranking>Little Witch Academia>Kiznaiver>Houseki no Kuni>Gintama>Gundam Wing>Escaflowne>Promare>Samurai Champloo>Jigoku Shoujo>Koukyuu no Karasu
I also have a few manga in this list which I didn't mention here but it'd be cool to have a lolcow manga rec chart as well.As for why I'm excluding titles that are technically categorized as shoujo and josei or otherwise explicitly targeted at women, it's because I was trying to prove a point to someone else
Great list anon, I love almost everything I've seen here. A couple I haven't checked out yet.>a list of anime that (may) appeal strongly to women (female gaze basically, whether intentional or not)>Reasons for being on this list include things like female protagonist, relatable themes, non-fetishistic portrayal of female relationships, non-coomery female designs, husbandofag and/or fujo appeal, and/or female creator(s).
This is what I was kinda hoping the LC list would be geared towards, since it would make it distinct from every other "anime rec" image chart
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>>259587>Mahotsukai no Yome, InuYasha, Madoka, Houseki, Koukyuu no Karasu not marketed primarily to women
That's news to me.
There are things on the list that didn't appeal to me even though I watched part or all of the series: Promare, Aggretsuko, Ascendance of a Bookworm, Kageki Shoujo, Maiko-san Chi no Makanai-san, Cells at Work!, Wotakoi, black butler, d gray-man, Net-juu no Susume, Eizouken (sorry I can't want anime about mangaka), Koukyuu no Karasu
Some I just didn't watch to begin with and probably won't in the future: Thermae Romae Novae, ACCA, Moomin, The Cat Returns, Shounen sports anime (except I did once watch All Out! which was very female-gazey
), beastars, gundam wing (saw SEED though)
The rest I watched and enjoyed to one degree or another.>>259594
It was so weird I liked it. Felt like someone wrote down a recurring nightmare or something.
I see, I haven't watched/read it but it's there mostly because it doesn't seem to be male gazey and because according to some polls, its reader base in Japan is mostly female.>>259587
Just realized that Princess Tutu is not on there, I don't know why I didn't include it. If it wasn't a mistake, I probably thought that it was aimed at women just like Michiko to Hatchin (and the point was to make a list of anime that appeal to women but aren't classified as "for women"). But then Escaflowne is also on there so idk what the fuck I was thinking.
Of course both of these anime are great and if I had to make a list of female-oriented anime I'd include them first as some of the best examples.
>>259598>Some I just didn't watch to begin with
Personally I only genuinely liked ACCA from your list.
Thermae Romae is more of a niche thing if you are into historical shit like me, Beastars starts awesome and the first half is worth a read or watch and somewhat concluded, but the end of the manga was imo so bad it retroactively killed all attachment I had to the early part and I agree about shounen sports.
SK8 was amusing and I really enjoyed it but I wouldn't put it on any rec list.
>>259598>That's news to me.
They're obviously made with women in mind, but they're technically shounen, except for Kokyuu no Karasu because it's original anime, it wasn't published on a magazine so those categories don't apply to it.
The reason I made that list was because there was some scrote saying that "there is no good anime for girls" and aside from some universally critically acclaimed shoujo and josei manga/anime like Rose of Versailles or Cardcaptor Sakura, and aside from the scrote obviously using his own male taste as an objective measure of quality, a lot of female-oriented (or female-gazey) stuff is outside of the categories of shoujo and josei, for example Kuroshitsuji which is published in a shounen magazine desspite being notorious for its fujo fandom and the author being a massive fujo as well. And because of this, it's easy to miss all the anime and manga that are actually for women or for both men and women but technically belong to the "not for girls" category, hence why people think animanga for women sucks. That's what I was trying to prove with that list.
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Does Natsume Yuujinchou count? I believe it's published in a shoujo magazine and I think it would fit alongside Mushishi. Also baits shipping certain characters (pic rel). It's one of my favorite series and I just want more people to watch it tbh
may i request someone add a short one-two line summary to these. or better yet can there be like, a google excel spreadsheet…
actually i think i'll set one up but modify the fujo one that's floating around (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZXjnojmty5vuaR_t49wjA2q8Sf51g-29O6xHmR8fQXQ/edit#gid=1315514520
) anticipate it later nonnies
i enjoyed it a lot tbh. was a pimply awkward lonely teenager in highschool and i could actually relate to shinji.
i still enjoy it now but i guess that's because unlike a lot of the thread i've been watching anime for pretty much ever/don't moralfag over cartoons
Your lie in april and mawaru penguindrum are DUMPSTER FIRE who the fuck keeps reccing them? explain yourself at least, your lie in april is just incel protag x tragic manic pixie dream gf + abusive
parent apologism and mawaru penguindrum is nonsensical scrote lolishit
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I also recommend>Kemono no Souja Erin
Very charming adventure/fantasy. Starts off more aimed at children but the show matures as the protagonist does>NieA Under 7
Niche oddball SoL about a poor college student and an alien with Yoshitoshi ABe character designs>Kanojo to Kanojo no Neko: Everything Flows
This destroyed me. About a young woman entering the work force and her cat that she's had since childhood>Chi's Sweet Home
Not sure if it's what you're looking for but it's adorable. Dumb kitten gets up to wacky hijinx>Hanasaku Iroha
Coming-of-age workplace comedy/drama>Fumetsu no Anata e
The manga kinda fizzles out but the anime is still very good. Very contemplative and melancholic vibe, somewhat similar to Mushishi though it's more plot-driven
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Is there a link where we can submit anime suggestions? We can show the results and pick out what's recommended though there are a lot of good ones in this thread. Adding The Ancient Magus' Bride since no one mentioned it.>>258378>no movies>nothing released this year
Aw I was gonna suggest Studio Ghibli films and Romantic Killer.
NTA but me too, I'm the one who asked at the beginning of the thread.>>259619
I would like a chart in image format like those that are always posted on anime boards, but putting all the information in a spreadsheet first and letting us contribute to it with our own short summaries would be nice
content warning: incest
is all that needs
help why are there so many moralfaggots in this thread. look at this: >>259646
it's cartoons on a screen they aren't going to kill you
Is this moralfagging? The reason a lot of people picked it up is because a girl being bought and bethroted to an old monster guy sounded creepy, and wanted to see where it goes, it's part of the marketing.>>259646
It has one maybe needless bath scene in the beginning, but it emphasizes more that he sees her more like a pet and not a "woman". It moves past the premise pretty fast and just focuses on the girls personal growth through her new experiences while also learning more about magic dude.
Not everyone is a degenerate that's turned on by large age gaps and teenager x adult ships like you are. It's a totally valid
concern and also, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging that Japan has a problem with the normalization of pedo- I mean, "ephebophilia". Sorry that someone saying it's creepy offends you. Also the series literally starts with the protagonist being sold at an auction as a slave so yeah, it's way worse than just an age gap.>>259646
He's a very old monster (non-human, though IIRC nobody knows what he is exactly) but if I understood correctly, he still has a very immature mind and is still struggling to learn how to behave, feel and think. Though the ways in which his mental immaturity manifests are pretty reminiscent of relationship abuse, I found that pretty questionable and how the protagonist still likes him after he throws his tantrums out of jealousy
. It's definitely sending the wrong message, but if the goal was to make the audience scared (this series has horror elements as well) then the author succeeded because the fact that Elias is not human and therefore doesn't possess human morality is terrifying on several occasions. One time he also tries to eat her because by nature, he eats humans
But aside from that, there is absolutely no sexual shit involving the MC, that I remember. I don't think the dude even feels arousal. There's a noticeable contrast between his non-human behavior and his human-like appearance, or how a human male would act. But it's easy to interpret all that as a metaphor, kek.
But that's about the only thing I found questionable. I loved the show otherwise, so much so that I didn't want it to end. I still gotta watch the OVAs.
>>259740>Crystal Princess segments
Literally obligatory transformation scene in every single ikuhara anime… thats like saying you didn't "get" the zettai unmei mokushiroku scenes kek
Penguins didn't mean much they either reflected the mental state of their respective character or were in the background keeping things lighthearted while the story got serious
I think people try to read too hard into things and end up confusing themselves>>259781
I wouldn't be surprised if she just read what some anon shitposted and decided to parrot it tbh
Himari is a middle schooler playing a dominatrix
Lie>it's lolicon crap
Lie>her brother is indeed in love with her. Does it matter if they're blood related or not? It's still incest.
And this is the part where you go back to where you came from, you clearly don't belong here
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i love utena and sarazanmai but yuri kuma arashi + mawaru are terrible imo. yuri kuma especially – there's no real plot cohesion, it's just a bunch of high-pitched girlies whining on about the invisible storm and bears and whatever (plus a lot of fanservice that just feels awkward)
like utena's rife with metaphor but i feel these metaphors exist for the sake of communicating things about the story and not for the sake of simply being…a metaphor, which yuri kuma suffers from.
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In regards to the list, can we throw in Sabagebu, probably the best show of 2014 aside from Nozaki-kun
>>259628>Madoka is original though so it's technically nothing.
well. i think madoka was made to have cross demographic appeal – the actual show lacks male gazey crap – but it's obvious from promotional materials like this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f-OZMKiJ5Kg
that they're expecting cashflow/fan money from scrotes(lolcow.farm/info)
Sorry to poo-poo your taste and I didn't hate the show but it's just a lot of cute/quirky girls doing cute/quirky things in my opinion. It's also kind of like if Higurashi When They Cry
was just about the club games they played and nothing else.
Why get mad that someone is different than you? I enjoyed the first chapters, but if it fetishizes the dynamic later I'd regret bothering. I enjoyed Made in Abyss before and quit for such reasons. And yeah, shamefully, I didn't see it poorly at first until it sunk into my oatmeal brain that the author is a fetishist. I enjoy manga and anime that explores dark concepts, yet I've my limits when it blends too much into real-life degeneracy. >>259699>>259705
Thank you! I was very happy to see this takedown. I'll give the series another chance. I probably would have discounted the premise completely if it had been written by a man or something.
>>259876>I disagree with someone's entry on there so I want to point it out
see:>No arguing in comments! Don't reply to anyone, don't vaguepost, just…comment.
contradictory comments are okay (like, in the strong female lead section, someone might remember a quality of the lead that does
flesh them out if the person who inputted the series has called them weak) but don't try to bait anons into replying/complain about them liking something. the sheet's not meant to be a space for active discussion, we have the thread for that.
I think there should be a suggestion to mention whether the author is female.>>259876
It says that you can make corrections if someone got something blatantly wrong but don't add shows to shit on them, or argue with others in the comments. I'd say if you want to discuss why something shouldn't be on the list, you should do it here so we can all discuss whether to leave it there or not, or just to share your thoughts.
Nichijou, Yuru Camp, Fruit Basket, Chihayafuru, Hanamaru Kindergarten.
I used to watch Skull-Faced Bookseller Honda-san when i wanted something short, chill and funny to get my mind off things and relax, as if i watched some small sitcom.
You can also try watching a pokemon movie of one of your favorite generations, tends to help me.
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Tonari no Seki-kun was pretty innocent and wholesome, the episodes are short and i like how funny and cute it can be while still being a very light hearted show
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Tokimeki Tonight too, it's an older series and sometimes the characters are very loud, but everyone has their own personality and i found it very enjoyable aside some episodes where they tried to get a bit serious
I tried to like it because I love the OST and the setting, but it felt like an annoying otome to me.
I don't have a problem with the age gap and the guy being a monster, I even think he's interesting. But after a while I was annoyed about how every magical character keeps praising MC for existing and most of the running time is spent telling me how super special she is when she barely does anything at all and is mostly just the passive wallflower kind all of these series seem to have. She was also a slave that was bought btw. making it feel even more like a self-insertion dime novel.
I think they wanted to attract the live action audience with this. Considering how popular CSM is and that capeshit isn't much different from battle shounen plus CSM referring a lot of western movies and having some more serious aspects (compared to genki shounen like OP, MHA, DB etc.) they probably thought they could get people who are usually not into anime into watching that too, increasing the popularity.
But I also think it failed. The lack of expressions is annoying sometimes and the endless CGI is glaring and ugly. If they really cared they would have drawn over it at least but they just use the raw CGI and that never works. Good counter example is Ousama Ranking 21. The complex fighting scene between MC and his giant dad was done in 3D and animators basically just traced the movements later and it looks top.
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I never EVER see anybody talking about this but Nami yo Kiite Kure was one of the best comedy anime I watched in years.
It's the first time in ages that I have seen an adult female main character who acts like an adult woman. It's a down-to-earth series about a woman getting the chance to become a late-night talk show host for a radio station after she ranted about her ex with the station manager when she was drunk. He considers her funny and recognizes the talent she has so he asks her if she wants to do a radio show.
There is no fanservice (besides some male asses that get groped IIRC) and the MC Minare is imo well written and multi-faced.
I think many farmers would like her because she's is often badass and brutal but depending on the situation she can be a whiny bitch, envious, full of herself, nice and genki or just get wasted and act like a drunk hobo and she has moods. And an ex she is really angry at.
I am so happy I gave it a chance because it felt good seeing a rare anime about adults with jobs that doesn't draw them like kids or inserts any stupid pandering. Plus the show is comfy imo. No serious drama, it's funny and it felt surprisingly wise a lot of times.
Sorry for the text wall lol, but this place here is the only space where recommending this might make sense. /a/ is full of coomers they aren't interested in women like the characters of this anime.
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i went into AKebi-chan no Sailor-fuku totally blind thinking it was going to be a cute slice-of-life about the main girl… I guess it was, but the entire thing was just loli fan service. fucking every episode had a detailed foot shot, not joking
you should add it to the spreadsheet
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I have a thing to nitpick here. I really hate the office business clothes and general clothes that are worn in anime with adult protagonists. I know these are the current normie japanese trends, but I feel like older anime at least had more fashionable or quirky stuff going on. I know japan still has a lot of really fun fashion subcultures but it seems like no one is taking advantage of it and every character older than 20 is out there dressed like a fucking grandma. In anime catered for a female audience you'd expect to see something cooler and more inspiring but there is nothing like that
Fashion in anime is horror even though there is a good reason for it as >>260118
But it's one of the main reasons I can't watch school stuff. I don't like it when no character can show any individuality because everybody has to wear those stupid school uniforms all day.
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I remember google image searching the title and deciding not to watch it based on the facial expressions the MC was making in the screenshots. I got the vibe someone involved was a pervert even if the show is fluff.
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They have uniforms at office jobs. Brutal>>260328
Moid post? or you just never saw a shoujo manga page of any decade and respectively a fashion magazine page with very same outfits. Fashion is not only a teen subculture thing.
It's just nobody cares for shoujosei anime, that's why we rarely see it. When we have it - there are normie fashionable women or women with "weird" fashion: lolita and traditional kimono in kuragehime, alt/punk and gyaru in nana, lolita in wotakoi, gyaru in aggretsuko even
>>260372>something you hate
95% of all anime>describe why you hate it
"Because it bores me" is essentially the reason for all of my dislikes. >>260401
I instantly like an anime more if the characters aren't wearing the same stuff. Big plus if each of them even chance the clothes throughout the series. Characters wearing the exact same thing is so common for all kinds of animated media that I already wondered if it was some budget issue when I was still a kid.
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the title alone gives me JK culture vibes. The fact that the manga was published in a seinen magazine tells me everything I need to know. Shame because I like how soft the colours aremaybe I'm just paranoid but something about the way she is drawn that reminds me of 70 lolicon art
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It makes me sad no one is talking about Akiba maid wars this season. It’s definitely one of the best animes of the year.
>>260082>Considering how popular CSM is and that capeshit isn't much different from battle shounen
I've actually been thinking about this and it just makes me more confused. Apparently the director decided to make the anime more serious to make it more appealing to non weebs, but capeshit is absolutely not serious and is about the most mainstream stuff there is. Capeshit-adjacent battle shounen is already a pretty popular genre, how did he think this would make the series more normie appealing?
To me, even the few moments that still seem like they're supposed to be jokes feel off to me. I'm not sure if it's the director's fault or if it's the VA's delivery still flabbergasted that they really had the lead VA in such a hyped up major production be some random literal-who sony music guy with no voice acting experience
>>260455>maybe I'm just paranoid but something about the way she is drawn that reminds me of 70 lolicon art
It's moeshit, and loli and moe both came from pedophile otaku wanting to fuck underage anime girls. At one point they were even synonyms. That's why it reminds you of old lolicon.>>259832
Ok who took the star off Golden Kamuy? Just because 1 fag thinks it's boring it doesn't mean it's not loved by a lot of anons here. I haven't read or watched it but I can tell it's one of the most popular and recommended series here.
Would you recommend it nonny
? The premise sounded somewhat interesting to me but being about maids made me assume it would be moidy (I didn't look further into it). What did you like about it?
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It’s not moidy at all and focuses on all the maids and their relationships and how they grow together. There’s lots of references to old anime like ashita no Joe.
>>261059>Ok who took the star off Golden Kamuy?
It wasn't me but I'm personally ok with it not having a star for the anime. They really fucked up with the soundtrack at the beginning and it misses the mark sometimes. The manga should get a gold star though.
I want to know who the fuck gave chainsawman a 5/5 rating? It hasn't even finished airing, come on.
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Why? Because she likes dressing cute and is fighting her hardest to defend her best friend and co-worker who motivates her to be the best maid she can be? Have you ever had friends nonna? Stop letting men ruin things for you.
What is this cope? Did it really have to be the frilly maid scenario? Easily could've been office workers, restaurant staff, or idk maybe cafe workers who aren't dressed as fetish bait. >>261120
is right. It looks scrotish as fuck and the series clearly serves as ryona and other fetish fodder for moids to coom over. Its a scene where these two are beating the shit out of each other, tf is the swelling and blood? Big deal that its basically yakuza x maid. Humor is shit and only going for it is the animation. Just cause it has female protagonist and characters doesnt mean they were made for us.
>>261172>she likes dressing cute
Dumb excuse. She's a fictional character not a real person, she was created by someone who decided that she'd have to be wearing a fetish maid outfit while boxing, and when you think about it that way you have to wonder what was the author's intent, because it sure as fuck isn't something that attracts a primarily female audience. Also the way the characters are drawn >>261172
also says a lot about the kind of audience it's aimed at. It's ok if you're a woman who personally enjoys that crap but don't pretend it's not for moids and don't complain when someone else says it. If it really isn't that bad, you could say something like "the coombait is easy to ignore" or "it's very tame compared to other moeshit shows" and it would be more accurate and probably make someone else curious enough to watch it.>>261153>>261159
Those two should be in the manga section tbh.>>261166
So it's a "so bad it's good" recommendation? Funny, but idk if it really belongs on the rec list
Yes everyone knows anime is only for BOYS and not girls, after all we're not allowed to share interests such as… stories told through the use of animation.
Are you 5 years old by any chance?
You mistake having a simple plot with good directing. He’s not good as a director and his ideas are mediocre or stolen.
He’s quite the Michael Bay of manga.
I watch anime to take my brain away from that location
Not sure if this is off topic for this thread.
But I think it's interesting how unwilling a lot of feminist spaces are to welcome geeky/anime-nerd women.
There are female friendly anime, all failing bl too, but they just insist on putting all japanese media under the misogynistic umbrella.
I think it's a pity that women into japanese otaku culture are both berated by males in the hobby and also females from the outside.
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men make porn of everything. literally what r34 is. i'm not gonna give up on my hobbies just because men are degenerates. there is more to my interests than the shitty porn men create from it.
This is so retarded, it's like telling people to stop listening to music. Animation is just a type of medium. >If there's female characters in it it's all coombait
You're implying that the female existence itself is inherently perverted.
Nta but it's more like the female existence in anime,
a genre spearheaded by the most pornsick freaks on earth that struggle to see women as humans.
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That post is bait
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Any of you watched Vanitas no Carte?
I've caught up to the manga and watched the anime and enjoyed both. Lots of pretty boys and cute scenes (and debatable fujobait).
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I'm watching City Hunter and boy I fucking hate Ryo being a lecher, but I can't wait to get to this episode.
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I feel like it's way too straight to recommend to any exclusive fujos despite the fact it strangely seems to market itself as fujobait with the op and ed animations. Think the crowd that would enjoy it most are any nonas who dabble in both het and fujo content.
Anyway I love Vanitas so much, I went in pretty blind to the kind of show it was but never ever has an anime made me hornier than all the scenes with Vanitas getting his blood sucked
I have super low standard but I can kind of "apreciate" that at least
CSM treats consent like an implicitely understood concept by having Denji ask to grope women and not even triying to sleaze around the conditions the women set. Any other shounen would have him just literally sexually assaulting every single woman around him as a joke
I 100% agree with the part about killing characters. CSM makes me feel like Fujimoto is one of those guys that thinks nobody has ever killed named characters before so he thinks he's being sooo smart by introducing 20 characters at once and then killing 19 of them in 5 chapters, and then doing it again, and then again, and again… and by the 50th time he does it it's just really annoying. It doesn't even have shock value because he does it so much.>>261321>Just like in some of the most celebrated movies, the story matters very littleNonny
I'm sorry but what movies are you talking about? Movies still have plot, and having a confusing plot is still considered a negative for a moviespoiler for slightly ot sperg and for assuming what you mean but when I think of "most celebrated" I think of stuff like Taxi Driver and that's not about "visual over story" that's a character-driven movie where the events are tought out to serve the characterization. CSM still has the battle shounen thing going on so I don't think clusterfucking the plot so much works for it imo
Afaik capeshit is super serious which is the main reason for why it's so terrible. You have people in skin-tight colorful cosplay costumes shooting badly done CGI lasers and hulks and magical vikings and shit fighting with them but all of it is taken deadly serious and it's edgy and filtered to brown or blue'ish shit because colors aren't serious enough. >>261371
I don't give a flying shit who else likes my stuff. I might like most of the stuff in from the early recommendation posts in this thread but I also like TTGL, KlK, CSM, DMC, GTO, Azazel and Excel Saga and nobody can do anything about this. Hell, I liked the Bastard manga. Men don't sperg around and tell others what anime they are allowed to like based on the gender why should it be a thing for women
see i really hate it when casual fans/newfags try to speak as if they know anything about anime. just stfu
kind of sick of the shit taste in this thread in general. if a show isn't boring as fuck het romance then you boring retards complain…fuck off to the genshin thread or something
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I felt it was a pretty aggressively bisexual but it leans more to the het side.
Truly a very horny anime yet not in the way most anime is, without nudity, pantyshots, etc. but with good build up, voice acting (Hanae Natsuki did such an amazing job), OST, and visuals in general. Vanitas alone would be a reason to watch it. Him having a whole episode where he loses his shit over his feelings was so much fun to see after all the teasing he did. The chemistry between many of the characters is great, even the side characters are mostly fun.
I go back to rewatch some scenes (the blood sucking ones mostly) from it quite often.
Not a fan of him as a character since I think he's such a brat but I'm so glad for this female-created manga where Jeanne is actually pretty proactive in the relationship and the pairings actually
touch each other, moid anime and especially straight pairings are written so emotionally and sexually constipated in that retarded way Japs are. Also, I'm rooting for Domi, poor her.>>261435
People took KLK way too seriously, I watched it as it aired when I was 16 and the first half was a blast. Satsuki best girl.
I agree. I get what he was going for but I don't remember like 90% of the characters that were killed. It felt like Akame ga Kill where at some point you realize everyone is going to die so you stop caring. The only good character death that actually made me feel something was Aki__
. I think CSM would have been better if Aki was the main character and the core of the story was his arc instead of Denji's.
Also I feel like people praise CSM for its originality, but to me it feels exactly like Devilman and Tokyo Ghoul but worse somehow. Makima's backstory and motivation is just Ryo's but now it's a sexy dom woman.
Even after she did the things that made everyone hate her I still didn't care and thought she was based ngl. But that's also just because I didn't give a fuck about anyone because they were all badly written, shallow two dimensional characters and not because what she did wasn't evil of her.
The real reason why I hate her is just because the mangaka obviously has a fetish for femdom and Makima has been on his mind since he was a teenager because she is the embodiment of it. Feels disgusting to like a character the creator himself has most likely masturbated to countless times.
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Maybe I am the only one but Hyouge Mono is an absolute masterpiece among anime IMO.
It's also funny as fuck and the only fanservice it has are hot sexy vases and tea bowls.
It's a shame nobody is licensing the manga, not even France has an official translation afaik.
She wouldn't be considered so evil if it weren't for the reason itself being unexpected to fans prior to its reveal. Just wait.
I still think she's cool after it lol
>>262043>fandoms seem to move on so quickly and people want to latch onto the next popular thing
I dont know why I didnt notice something so clear until I read this. Its like there’s a solid fanbase while something is airing or if the manga is going through an insane arc and then poof in a few months people moved on.
Shows nowadays seem to play things safe too for an audience they’re guaranteed to get, which helps people jump from show to show together
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It’s already out nonnie
. I’m glad to see best boy finally get animated. Bluelock has been promising so far.
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Oh I've definitely been enjoying BL this season, its been a while since we had casual manservice. This match with nagireo and the megane has been very fun so far
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Be hype for this match! Megane-kun doesn't deserve the bullying for being a dummy. He can't help it. There are other megane-kuns who outshine him though. The match itself is really good, and it's not even the best match in the series. The series kinda goes haywire but so far I've been enjoying it. People are predicting this to be the next Haikyuu since the JP FIFA 2022 used BL as inspo for their uniforms. Granted, a lot of the relationships in the series aren't that great other than nagireo. I don't think I can see that happening but it's nice to see them grow into incredible soccer players.
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you guys don't get shows, you guys get nitro+chrial
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Dramatical Murder was truly a phenomenon of it's time. I remember the game being genuinely weird and memable when the anime came out it just took itself way too seriously.
I was very depressed at the time but watching this terrible anime made me genuinely cry with laughter. The animation was rough and awkward and the dub voice acting was so funny it sounded abridged.
What is your favorite bad anime nonnas?
True, sports fujobait has been beaten to death. I still enjoy it but a different trend needs to hurry up and take over. Nips always wait until 1 thing blows up before ramming 34908450 versions of it down your throat AFTERWARDS, instead of taking different risks themselves>pretentious fujob8 psychological show
Now that's what I'm looking for
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>>262255>What is your favorite bad anime nonnas?
For enjoyment, probably code geass it's a really shitty show writing and animation wise, but man is it hilarious laugh at and fun to watch on top of that
For pure 'what the fuck is this' type of vibe probably abunai sisters.
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The creator hates women and gays though
nta but probably Chainsawman author mentioning he was reading Living Dead by Asada Nemui (or Sleeping Dead depending on translation)
There's a compelling argument that he ripped off character designs from it for Chainsawman 2 (like he basically genderflipped the main characters). I feel like I saw something about it in the manga thread
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rurushu was such a great protagonist to watch, he was pure entertainment.
>>258519>The anime is great imo
are you joking? quite possibly one of the worst anime i've ever watched from start to finish.
like, there was such an interesting premise too–but all the character motivations were retarded. the only thing i really liked about it was the court politics aspect, wish that had been more focus.
they totally shafted the female MC. idk if that was just the adaptation or what. total waste of time
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my eternal husbando !!!!!!
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i just……..love him….. sm…. we need more clamp anime boys
Disagree, first of all it’s an interesting sci fi world, where it’s not all about mecha or battle cosmoknights and it’s not a space opera. I like a lot of its ideas: climate change for an eternal summer, foldable underground city, concept of EVAs, which is unique and horrific, some clever tricks NERV would use in monster of the week battles.
It brings tokusatsu and kaiju into anime and doesn’t make it goofy, but use their rules, ideas and aesthetics more like midcentury cheap military monster b-movies (which very first kaiju movies was). So it wasn’t just funny special effects then, it relied to scifi literature aspects more and I like that.
Eva also tells us about your regular cast of scifi rescue mission - and doing it in detail. In anime (or in most of military scifi honestly) we could have either oh so brave heroes or just brutal-gar-manly-man-trauma. It shapes a portrait of a soldier, telling us what exactly made them like that and why are they doing what they are doing.
We also have a lot of female characters, their thoughts, stories, motives. It’s realy rare in scifi kek. We have three female scientists, one female military officer of a high rank, two female soldiers, who are also kids. And they all have believable personalities despite being also a fan service bait. It’s not like Gunbuster “Ima pilot bc idk”.
So if you are not a fan of, idk, shows like star trek, you can still enjoy depicting of characters and their relationships - they basically gave some meat to regular cardboards
Wow do you read all fiction that way
Like, believing author thinks the same thing a character saying Oof
>>261482>see i really hate it when casual fans/newfags try to speak as if they know anything about anime
Yeah everyone knows that only SJWs who don't watch anime or are new to it can be critical of it, and that never pointing out rampant perversion and misogyny in 90% of anime is for cool girls like yourself. Retard.>if a show isn't boring as fuck het romance then you boring retards complain
Strawman of the century that not even you believe, kek. She's right and you know it. It's not a personal attack, it's just the truth and you can enjoy even scrotey anime while acknowledging it.
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Google shit before you open your mouth.
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Is Bocchi the rock any good or just vapid moetrash for moids? I keep seeing it a lot these days
Love-potion-like power. Main character (teenage stright male) used in on a man with glasses (adult straight police detective), and detective used it on his own wife. Ranting character is a selfish social media influencer. She said that police guy obsessing over MC is hard to take, and she was called a homophobe by guy's wife. Later she admitted she want to use this power on rich men and that's why she sided with MC.
This manga is average, nothing special but not as bad as 1/10 reviews says.
I had the same skepticism but I ended up loving it when I watched it
Definitely worth a shot imo
the nostalgia is insane, I can't hate them. I sing the english sailor moon theme song under my breath when I'm really stressed out With secret powers oh-so new to her
… straightens me right out
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just finished re-watching millenium actress. i forgot how beautiful the animation is in this movie and how much i love chiyoko, especially at the end where she admitted she was interested in the search for this man itself and how it made her feel and gave her something to live for idk, i just think it's such a beautiful movie about youth and what it means for a lot of people.
every year i re-watch tokyo godfathers for christmas and millenium actress is free on roku so i figured why not. Perfect Blue and Paprika are really good satoshi kon movies, but I personally prefer tokyo godfathers and I've decided after revisiting it millenium actress
Probably one of my favorite anime movies ever. I love seeing the whole scope of her life, I feel like there aren't many anime that can appreciate the later year's of a person's life, let alone a woman's. Has one of the best endings ever, it will always stick with me.>>263297
I agree, it's a super normie opinion of which satoshi kon movies are the best (sorry, >>263294
you are probably just emotionally well adjusted, don't let us get you down lol)
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Does anyone know Toutotsu ni Egypt Shin/Oh, Suddenly Egyptian God?
The episodes are very short but I like this comedy anime, also because ancient Egypt is one of my interest. Looking forward to 2nd season.
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I always liked it personally. Not a huge fan of diaper butts but I like everything else about it, including the awkward expressions and weird anatomy kek
It changes with every part, there’s no fully consistent style. Personally I didn’t like how 5 & 6 looked but I loved 3, 4 and 7>>263488>I have a gut reaction to anything jojo related
Literally me with Chainsaw Man right now. Not even Narutards were this annoying
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I've been watching some of it but it's a bit boring to me. I think of those short episode cutesy G-rated SoL comedies that I've checked so far the only one that somewhat hit the spot for me was Welcome Chitose-chan
I really like Toutotsu ni Egypt Shin's art style though, and I love their paper thin square arms kek
If you simply want a more fashionable protagonist I have some recommendations.
Real Clothes-it's a very old 1990s feel josei. She starts off as a style-less saleslady to dressing up and climbing the ladder in their department. What I love about this author is the research in her works. It's very educational even mentions fast fashion and the struggle to compete with it, kek.
Her main character for another work Oishii Kankei is also fashionable but she's a chef and wears casual outside of work.
Dunno if this helps you but I hope it helps someone out there wanting a vintage feel josei.
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it's one of those semi-realistic uguu shows, this is how they treat an actual problem like alcoholism. even if the reason why the character became an alcoholic is realistic, the narrative treats it as if it's so cute and quirky even though she's causing actual trouble because of her drunkard antics and barely has any money because she spends it all on booze. a weird moe romanticization of alcoholism where nothing is done to help treat her addiction and instead they're like "hey alcohol will take all your problems and anxieties away"
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anyone like dungeon meshi?
reading it makes me feel insane because i almost never ever ship hetero pairings but the manga's elves are all canonically androgynous/feminine and it drives me nuts. i can't help but to pair them up with the girlies. even though every single one of my ships is entirely impossible.
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here's another screenshot i've been staring at like an idiot lately. it's extra stupid as the guy here has a lot of ship tease with another dude (which i love, but y'know)
If I could tell the Canaries apart I would ship them but I can not so I do not.
Yes I like Meshi but this belongs in the manga thread, nona. Anime will come eventually but it's not here yet.
Why the hell is Trigger
in charge of the anime, I they go with they usual hysterical style it's going to be so bad.
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Spoilered cuz of the WORST scenes in berserk . Some moid made a figure of it . I get that berserk Is a good manga but man you have to fucked in the head to make this…
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He drew this. If you look up "miura loli" on twitter you can find the other page that continues it as well as stuff about his favorite loli waifus and how he would have his mangaka friend fax him pics of his waifus to motivate him.
This is so disingenuous, as if cp wasn't allowed until recently in Japan. As if risqué child models aren't a thing and as if moids don't hurt real girls there.
He also drew a nude little girl straddling Guts and trying to kiss him in Berserk.
I wish this was true but with underage gravure existing and japan's culture of shaming victims
/not reporting sexual crimes you can't really trust those statistics or that argument.
I recently saw a tiktok of a high school exchange student in japan, and her classmates told her to get used to being molested on the train because it was normal. Japan doesn't have low rates of sexual crimes, it has low rates of people reporting it.
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Can anyone recommend me some animanga with well written female antagonists? I am a huge fan of Makima but recently I have been thinking that her motives aren't particularly interesting. I also dislike how she gets sexualized by everyone - whether be it Fujimoto, the animators or the fanbase.
Some personal favourites of mine are Higuchi from Freesia and Altair from Re:Creators. Ozen from MiA and Sanakan from Blame! are good too but they are minor antagonists.
I like female villains who are able to fuck shit up without their sexuality being involved. It is a little infuriating how many female villains(including Makima) have to seduce the MC. And upon defeat, they turn into some sort of a waifu.
The villain from the original Last Exile doesn't show up much, but she fits your description iirc.
Also Benten from Uchouten Kazoku. Moids often seethe at her because they don't understand her.
iirc it got posted in one of the older anime/manga threads on here you may find it if you look through them>>264287
I never saw this image before and it’s an awfully poor attempt at mental gymnastics to justify this shit.>chart presented as fact to make a point with no clarification on how the data was compiled>calling it “libido buffer zone” as if consuming such media and getting off to it isn’t a choice>acting as if normalizing sexualization of children “isn’t hurting anyone”
I knew what a pos he was from some scenes and how he wrote casca alone, but thats disgusting on another level. I still enjoyed the parts of berserk that don’t get off on misogyny, but ew fuck him.
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Can't believe they named the main character Slut. if Gundam Mercury is a Utena homage then I swear to god someone involved is bitter about a certain something that happened in Utena…
pic not related
Higurashi and Umineko but please read the mangas or vns instead of watching the animes
Also heard the promised neverland be praised for this but haven't watched myself
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Anyone watched the final episode of Mob Psycho 100 III? The ending is so precious and wholesome.
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nonas should i give Kill La Kill a try? it seems just coomerish but i'm willing to go through that if it's good
if you like Studio Trigger
then yes. I don't regret watching it but I'm not gonna watch it again.
nah, just look at the sakuga comps on youtube if you like trigger
animation. The animation is so incredibly crappy for most of the show, and they stretched out the bare bones story when it could have easily been wrapped up in 12 eps.
I watched it when it was airing and I can hardly remember what it was about
Mako was a fun character but that's about it
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now that I see it, I can't unsee it
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some more Inspirations for character designs
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Bowie's Goblin King was the inspiration for Bastard's Dark Scheider, which in turn, was the inspiration for Hunter x Hunter's Silva.
Have you seen other Trigger
shows? If you dig them then you'll probably enjoy it.
Personally I fucking hate Imaishi's style, I literally couldn't stomach anything he touches from TTGL to KLK. Even Promare was underwhelming.
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It was oddly under-animated. Felt strange.
I lol'd at the final scene being reigen's birthday
. what a nice treat for reigen
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Interesting you recommend this anime. I just picked up the entire series other day at a used store for $9. It’s obviously a Chinese bootleg/copy but idgaf.
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I hope Reigen's manga gets an adaptation.
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Just finished code geass and loved it outside of the scrotery they put in to hinder how truly gay it was. Wish i watched it when it was airing but unfortunately i'm a zoomernon
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The old one is good (movie included), because the director changed things a bit to create a darker/more serious atmosphere. New one is more loyal to the source iirc and doesn't have that, so it's pretty average imo.
Also potato Kino's design >>> Kuroboshi's coomer Kino design.
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(Sorry for CSM autism but I got really disapointed and this is the only place for me to post this)
What are anons' final impressions of chainsaw man anime? I thought it was really underwhelming and the whole "cinematic" approach was just not a good idea. I honestly wanna know what movies the director has been watching for him to think that "cinematic" is when there's no comedy or when the comedy is shit because the timing and delivery suck and when every color is muddy.
This might be stupid of me, but I've been bothered for a while that modern anime is often too "clean" and over detailed and doesn't experiment visually, and I thought chainsaw man would be the anime that could bring a more experimental and less clean style to the mainstream and maybe even start a trend, which would not only make anime more interesting to look at but also probably easier for the animators. Then the actual anime comes out, and not only did they do the exact opposite and do the most visually bland rotoscoped clean thing ever, but even the whole narrative aspect that made CSM feel original (the chaotic vibe) is removed. It really saddens me because I remember seeing an article about how even animators with decades of experience were having a hard time with modern anime wanting autistically detailed animation all the time. It's like MAPPA has a contract with the devil that if they don't force themselves to make 20 rushed adaptations every year and make the animators lives as hard as imaginably possible he will take 20 years out of their lives and murder their children. My fault for having high expectations.
Also, it's so weird to me how you can change the tone so much in such an overly faithful adaptation. If the director really wanted the anime to have a completely different feeling it makes no sense to adapt it almost panel for panel. At that point it would make more sense to just make shit up. This is exactly why people hated anime Kobeni. He took a character completely meant to be laughed at and changed absolutely nothing about her, but tried forcing the viewer to take her more seriously. Another thing is Himeno. I think the director thought Himeno didn't get enough time in the manga before being killed, so he wanted to give her a bit more screen time to make her death have more impact, which is fair enough, but he does this by having a bunch of flashbacks, showing her bumbling around her apartment and focusing multiple EDs on her, which actually adds NOTHING and just feels a bit preachy. If he was so desperate to make Himeno more fleshed out he could have made anime only scenes of her actually doing stuff with the other characters. A lot of animebros would have probably gotten really mad at this for being unfaithful, but it's what makes more sense to me with the approach the director took (which is already pretty unpopular anyways).
Tinfoil: this is the fault of those 2 hour youtube essays for making MAPPA think the main appeal was the 2deep4u story, so they thought it was a good idea to throw the whole dark humor and chaotic vibe completely in the trash and just make a super serious adaptation to focus on the plot.
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Nonnies, I haven't watched anything new in ages beside Mob Psycho. I'm tired of seeing male propaganda. Is there any recent anime who is worth watching?>>265923
It's nice but extremely slow.
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I enjoyed Koukyuu no Karasu from this season. First two eps are a little underwhelming but it picks up after a while.
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When CSMfags discover their coomer rip off manga/anime actually sucks.
I'm gonna steal your mindset as a coping method.
Especially for Makima's voice btw. I don't like every single anime woman sounding super young either, but the way moids reacted so strongly to Makima's va (and only Makima) was defenitely coomer kneejerk reaction. At least now we don't see barking retards everywhere.>>266138
MAPPA didn't need to make it suck even harder
I've learned my lesson nonnies: I am never having artistic hopes for seasonal shounenslop ever again.
An entire fanbase huffed so much of their own farts they unironically made themselves believe they were all reading something "greater" than shounen. So getting your average shounenshit anime adaptation and seeing all the flaws stand out harder is just funny as fuck.
The anime also made me realize how low CSM's rewatch/reread value is once you know the whole story.
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>>266841>I can't help but think Chainsawfags are retarded. As an animeonly, the anime was fine. I truly doubt it was so bad that they need to collect signatures for a new anime.
I agree. I knew zero things about it beyond what the trailers showed. I didn't want anything more than some mindless action, violence, and gore and I got what I wanted. I dunno what's up with scrotes needing to argue that it's deep and meaningful. The only message it has is "sex is better with the people you know deeply" which is presumably absent in all the other crap like this. It's far from deep but scrotes are retarded and need to be told not to be diseased sluts.>>266795
kek of course they hated her, she sounded perfect; dismissive and reserved.
It was a joke. I'm not actually making serious tinfoils about anime series kek>>266841
It's definitely different to watch it as an anime only because it undeniably has production value, so I guess when detached from the manga it's just a bit bland and has some bad CGI. For manga readers the deal with it is that it genuinely (I promise this isn't autism overanalyzing) has a completely different mood, despite being almost completely accurate, so it's jarring to watch.
As other anons have said, CSM's plot was never "the most greatest thing ever made" like some people made it out to be, so when you adapt it in a super serious way that makes the focus go to the plot, then you're left with just "another shonen", which is fine, but very
underwhelming. It's just weird to see a show get so overhyped and MAPPA putting so much production value into it just for it to be such an average bland show.
Speaking of /a/ spergging, what's been tripping me up lately is how I now can identify /a/tards in normie sites (insta, mal, etc) by them using retarded terminology, like calling the CSM anime "dishonest" (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean, who the hell describes fictional media like that?), and I've seen some guy unironically call it "chainsoy man". I've only started checking /a/ recently for the spergy CSM threads, were /a/ users always this identifiable?
Yes. Anyone born in the 80s/90s has scene the masterpiece of Record of the Loddess War. myself included. Saw it back on 2001
It's makes me so nostalgic for hand drawn animation. I cant get into much new anime because the assault of cgi.
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I'd watch CSM if Denji was hot, but he isn't alas
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I never gave a shit about CSM but I tried to watch it because there was so much pochita fanart everywhere. I love this stupid little dog so much. I couldn't make it past halfway of the first episode though, it was just so fucking boring. I was going to pick it up again because I just love pochita so much but my friend told me pochita dies so I'm glad I didn't try again. Fuck csm.
Pochita is a cutie but yeah he dies pretty much right away, I'm sorry nona. I was kinda hoping he would come back to life eventually but it seems like that won't happen.
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just report the bait, ladies. if this is normal fighting for the thread, then I'm glad I rarely open it. can't imagine being so insufferable and delusional cause a woman likes something silly and mindless, must have 0 friends on and offline.
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Why are some nonnas seething over Denji hate? I thought being critical of animanga that caters to cumbrains is normal around here.
>>267041>CSM doesn't even have thatNonny
, that meant that the other anon thought that aspect was very weak, not that it's literally not there, you're being obtuse.
>which is basically every moid ever anyway
I actually get this. Almost every single shounen has gross pervy characters, Denji not constantly groping unwilling women or creeping on random women not only makes him less gross than the majority of perv characters, but also better than a considerable ammount of real life
teen moids that every girl is forced to deal with at some point. His pervyness is cringy, but the anime/manga being self-aware of it and there being worse moids in real life (as in, society treating it like a normal thing) makes him feel more harmless to me, especially when compared to shit like Mineta.>>267129
The endings were very nice, and they all had very cool animation. It was a weird decision in terms of resource distribution, though.
I don't know honestly, it's pretty disappointing.
Imo nothing wrong with finding obnoxious characters cute or hot but when people get defensive like this it smells like butthurt newfags to me. I find plenty of characters with horrible personalities appealing but it doesn't stop me from shitting on them as characters or the shows they're in.
There's this new breed of anime fans which are so used to coomershit that if they encounter anything slightly "self-aware" it somehow becomes exempt from criticism.
CSW is same old, same old, except this time the mangaka has a femdom fetish instead of being into ryona and the usual groping. Meanwhile zoomers that are barely 18 and ageing out of entry level stuff they watched so far are eating it up because it's slightly quirkier, ironic and it feels more mature. Coincidentally lc gained a lot of users that fit into this demographic so it makes sense that people are suddenly butthurt about it here kek
I think that was a perfectly appropriate post, considering when women like male anime characters they like them for either their really positive traits that are rarely found in irl men, or ridiculously villainous characters which are totally unrealistic but can also be totally appealing because even villains can have great personality traits.
Meanwhile, if Denji is your husbando, well let's just say you won't have to try hard to find a Denji in real life at all which kind of defeats the point of falling in love with an idealized fictional character. Not saying women should date those types of men at all, but out of all magnificent anime husbandos it's totally fair to shit on someone for having shit taste.
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Never speak to who?
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they'll be happier without you
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Anything that interests you this season nonas? Hikari no Ou seems okay so I'll give it a try, and I'm also watching Vinland Saga S2.
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I loved Sugar Apple Fairy Tale, don't judge me.
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I'm going to watch Trigun because I just have to. Hikari no Ou looks interesting so I'll check it out. I read the tomo-chan manga but I don't know if I want to watch it lol. I will probably try Buddy Daddies (don't see it on your list) because it looks like fujo bait and I like to stay in touch with my fujo roots even though I don't do ships anymore.
I don't get why you think she's annoying. She's just a normal girl. I like that she is confident in pursuing her dream. >>268460
Haven't seen Buddy Daddies but I heard it's straighter than SpyxFam.
I'm salty over Trigun, I actually like the animation and Vash's design is very nice but the dialogue is so exagerated and generic. Idk if I can keep watching it.
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Is anyone watching the Nier anime? Is it any good?>>268326
I wanna watch pokemon lol
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Just watched the first episode here are my thoughts:>first ep follows the start of the game very closely>switches between 2B pov and 9S pov>pacing blends action scenes with quieter scenes seamlessly>dialogue feels about as "anime" as it does in the game>establishes and contrasts the differences in 2B's and 9S's characters through dialogue and action>the 3D models are trying their best not to look distracting>A1 Pictures delivers average modern day animation quality in the anime industry>music taken straight from the original game sounding phenomenal as a background soundtrack>2B's lolita dress looks as pretty as always!>they flash her butt twice (I think?) in the fight scenes but it's subtle enough>ends with pods puppet theater similar to how they talk to each other in their sequences in game and then another puppet theater with 2B and 9S explaining how the game has several endings in a comedic tone
Overall it looks quite similar to the game in terms of atmosphere, visuals and tone so if you liked the game definitely check it out! So far though it's just more of the same. I'm hoping they'll expand upon the story further and not just retell it directly even if that would make it less of a faithful adaptation.
But also even if you haven't played the game but you're into dystopian stories give it a try! I think this series will be welcoming to newcomers and old fans alike.
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I've watched the first two episodes of Koori Zokusei Danshi to Cool na Douryou Joshi and it's cute as fuck especially Himuro, I love blushy, easily flustered guys
. If you like romance animes I would highly recommend. It's technically not part of a specific demographic (the manga is a webcomic) but it's basically josei. So don't worry about it being scrotey.
I find it so weird that people were shocked by this. I know Banana Fish had that in the story but I don't even remember the specifics at all.
I personally like stories with sexual abuse and trauma because I can relate.
Thank you nonnie
, I'll check it out! I never played the game myself but I did watch a full playthrough (unfortunately it was Cry's and I've yet to find another playthrough that's just as good) and I adore the story. Sooo happy to hear they kept the game soundtrack, it's amazing!
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So many random isekai this season but I'm happy Saving 80,000 Gold in Another World for My Retirement got an anime. It's so slow so far the manga is a lot better. I'm watching the handyman one and the other one I forget the name of because it's so dull. Last season was better
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tfw no yuki onna (male) co-worker bf
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I can't tell if Vinland Saga season 2 is sucking ass or if I'm just bored because I read the manga and know what's going to happen. The massive downgrade in animation is distracting as shit too. Thanks MAPPA.
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Any other nonnies watching this? I didn't like it at first, the 1st episode is truly gross, but then I saw a clip where it talked about periods and tried it again. The scenes where the characters act like normal sisters/friends are so enjoyable. I wish it was a normal anime about siblings growing closer without the gross pedo coomer wish fulfillment and fanservice.
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Moid fetish shit, but with a cute color palette, no thanks. I'm guessing they want this anime to be like Galko-chan but with a tranny moid to appeal to other trannies and pedos.
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Wow how nice, I am so glad they aren't using their time on other projects.
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That's what they did in one of the episodes, switching from a normal bikini in it's manga to a shameless coomer shit. I can only wonder how worse it's gonna get, so I am not watching it.
Why would you even waste time watching something with a premise like that nonnie
… Have some standards and respect for yourself.
I'm starting to feel like weebs who are severely obsessed with the 2000's moe anime revival have such low standards, and I know a ton of them lurk here. You have to learn how to filter through moid shit kek
I'm sorry nonnies, I know it's shameful but I ended up liking it. I couldn't get the OP out of my head, and liked it after giving it another shot. I like the non-coomer parts, the character designs are very cute, the colors are very pretty, and the animation is done with that new technique of tracing CG so it's really nice to watch. I can ignore the coomer stuff, and honestly I'm a huge weeb who enjoys pretty much everything.
I'm mostly just sad at the wasted potential, it could have been a cute friendship show.
you know. i think a creator making a few throwaway comments (jokes) about liking forward women and happening to write
a forward woman in his manga doesn't automatically make it a fetish. if anything, maybe you're dealing with some internalized misogyny by assuming a women who is virtually not sexualized in series (there's one scene but that's very uncomfortable to see, after the great Reveal) is actually just a fetish character lol. would you think she was a "femdom fetish" if she were a guy. would it be "ooooh i can't like makima now because the author admitted to enjoying mean men and now he's spoiled for meee haha :( x"
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It sucks when a character you really like is fetish fuel for the mangaka and his self insert MC, but it is what it is.
Stop trying to blame women by crying "internalized misogyny" for stating facts. He didn't just "happen" to write her that way on an accident.
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The top one is from the second season and the bottom from season 1. While I actually remember it looking better I think the art style is very similar during these non-action moments, but I noticed season 1 was less saturated in color, even outside this random screenshot that's happening during the dawn. The stronger colors make s2 look "cheaper" in comparison.
Season 1 also had a lot of pretty and wide nature shots while season 2 didn't leave this impression on me yet but it's only 3 episodes in.
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I just finished another rewatch of Utena. Currently forcing my husband to watch Adolescence with me and I forgot how much I hated the movie. The visuals are beautiful but changing Anthy into a more sociable, happy girl rubs me the wrong way. In the series she was far more withdrawn from her peers for a reason. She's just a very complex character and she's written like that for a reason.
Late answer, but I was a huge fucking fan of Jojo since the I followed the 2012 anime weekly. Read almost all of the manga content within a month or so and was into a bunch of the characters, but the later parts somewhat killed my interest at some point and I absolutely hate the current artstyle and how much the later parts drag on, so I stopped after 7 and after I lurked in the part 8 threads for a longer while.
For me Jojo worked the best when it was shorter and more comedic/trashy and had proper beefcakes, alias Part 2. Still enjoyed the manga of 3, 4 and 6 a lot but it wasn't the same and I got tired at some point and the anime versions felt even slower. Not saying newer parts are worse, only talking about my personal taste.
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Think in the end the season weaker as it felt like at first.
Still enjoying Revenger (like the action, wacky parts and the dues, especially the archer) and Vinland Saga s2 and I even prefer the anime version of ep. 1 here. The respective manga chapter was quite shallow and slap-sticky and I think that a tragic introspective approach worked much better for a series that starts with slave trade.
Everything else is mixed. Hikari no Ou ep. 1 was perfect, but 2 suffered from an absolutely horrible direction but I hope it was an exception, because the story, mood and world intrigue me.
Buddy Daddies 1+2 were a massive disappointment even for someone who didn't expect much. I didn't expect it to be anything but het, but I at least expected decent action and funny chemistries. Instead it's about a never-ending screaming brat, two guys that only talk to each other if they complain and the wacky action of a saturday's morning cartoon. Ep. 3 have some good scenes that prove that it could be so much more though.
The shoujo series with the elf guy looks pretty, but I don't like kabedon-tier romances so I dropped it.
Tsurune s2 is also super pretty but feels like a Free clone just with another sport.
Kaina and Trigun have potential but I don't like the CGI and the latest Kaina episode was irrelevant IMO. Trigun has the engaging MC, Kaina has the interesting worldbuiding.
What surprised me was the Judo anime Mou Ippon. Nothing spectacular, but I like artstyle and designs and the girls seem rather human instead of being moe ughuus.
I hate how forced the "please love her she's so adowable littol daughteru awww" little kid in buddy daddies feels
Lmk if the other anime originals are worth watching as more episodes release nonna my schedule is too crazy right now to juggle a lot of stuff this season
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I haven't watched the new Trigun, but did they replace Milly with a middle aged moid? I haven't seen her in any of the trailers and I'm kind of disappointed if that's the case.
Also all the gundamfag nonnies should watch Gundam Wing if they want to watch a gundam series. The writing is shit-tier like every other gundam but the cast is actually geared towards women and isn't just moid-pandering.
This and the lack of chill episodes is my big complaint about the series so far, not even the CGI (which is cool for the action and BGs but bad for certain other things).
I really hope she will be part of it and just be introduced later, it would be a too odd choice to leave her out for no reason. Maybe the OC(?) guy dying or going home and being replaced by her would make sense, but no idea if it's what they are going for. Since an OC seems quite fishy.
I also wish there were some episodical parts at first like in the old anime. I kinda hate that they spoiled the twist right at the start because back then it was a huge reveal I didn't see coming after watching what was basically a chill wild west action show so far. There is no room to breathe in the new series but it's probably fault of the modern audiences that call everything filler if it doesn't progress the mainplot for a few minutes.
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Blue Lock was super educational this week
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If you mean Relena, she's actually a badass honestly. I don't think a single woman in the series is moe at all anon? Picrel was my favorite until the middle of the series.
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sage cause not sure if this belongs here on in the manga thread but im getting so impatient for the pluto anime adaptation. i hope it finally gets released this year as its been in production for 6 years and its the 60th anniversary of the original astro boy anime so the timing would be perfect. it was confirmed to be about 95% complete as of last may, so i wonder how much longer theyre going to wait to release it.
the 1980s version of astro boy was one of my favourite shows growing up so it brings much nostralgia.
also, cant wait to see husbando epsilon animated lmao
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Thank you kind nonnas. I forgot to mention the serie name and upon checking it I realized I also wrongfully called it as gundam wing. That’s my bad. The one that I watched was mobile suit gundam: the witch from mercury (picrel).
I’m very relieved to hear about the gundam wing series from you. I definitely look forward to become more familiar with that one.
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Asobe Asobase is the best anime ever. No coomer shit plus troon hating moments.
I personally like the aesthetics and direction. The characters are alright, I wouldn't call them exceptionally deep, but they work well in the context of the story. And coom aside, I think the atmosphere and imagery are the main appeal to most people.
Eva does have some cringe moments, sure, but I can look past that. Can't blame other nonas for hating it, though.
I was a teenage girl when I watched it and I rewatched every scene with kaworu and shinji many times because fujo tendencies.
I also liked rei because she seemed emotionally closed off and did her job (relatable). sometimes it’s affirming to see people not happy and not getting along well so you know you’re not alone in feeling upset or having interpersonal problems (big themes for teenagers lol).
I don’t know why an adult would be a fan though.
Thank you, I sometimes feel like I'm the only person who thinks this with all the brotherhood autists kek. I watched both series side-by-side and the only thing I liked about brotherhood was Isaac, and he was dead in the very first episode.
2003 had its filler moments but the stuff the writing team came up with was just cooler. Tucker was horrifying, they didn't make the woman-murdering serial killer a joke character, even Ed got way less insufferable the longer the show went on which was great. I liked the way they handled the homunculus, too. The skull thing was just cool.
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I hope you enjoy it nonna! Gundam Wing isn't perfect by any means, but I enjoyed it. It's definitely one of those shows that would be ruined if they remade it or it aired today.
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I just watched a video about these girls and found out the story is actually about straight romance for men. I hate it here. Moids don't deserve tomboys.
Is that Tomo-chan?
Sorry it wasn’t yuri, nona, but it was a pretty cute story. It strikes me as the type of manga that would get a horrific anime adaptation. I will not be watching.
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It turns to crap with the whole (unironic) Romeo x Juliet subplot. Some fights are really cool, but the ending is pure retardation. The only people who like it are nostalgiafags who saw it on TV many years ago. It didn't really age that well. >>268314
Gundam 00 has the sweet spot of being an AU (therefore requiring no knowledge of UC), having a compelling story and nice graphics.
Worst Gundam since Gundam Age. I hope this travesty is soon forgotten. Pandering to yurifags always, ALWAYS turns shows to total shit. It must be because the writers don't even need to try - the pandering is enough to bring in cash of starved yurifaggots and other CGDCT-loving scum. >>258933
It doesn't feel the same not watching it real-time with /a/. Not recommended.>>260106
Cheap shows, cheap designs.>>261804
I agree. It has a nothing-burger of a story, but it attracted a dedicated fanbase by coming out at the time when there was much novelty concerning anime and people ate up whatever was available. It had a unique climate and style. Especially when all you were familiar with was DB and (maybe) Eva. The (bootleg) OST/song compilation is absolutely gold though.
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It's not a good binge-watching show - the second half loses the craziness of the early episodes. Though there are still some funny moments.
For a really fun show in the sentai climate I recommend sCRYed.
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He can only love Gundam.
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The concept is cute imo (adapting silly greentexts) but it's a shame that it's a given the main character would be a little girl with a moe voice
Also kekking at the retarded comments, 90's, really?
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Nonnas, what's your opinion on picrel, is it worth watching/reading ?
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Finished it myself recently for the first time, no nostalgia on my part. It definitely shows its age with pacing and writing choices but if you're a shounenfag like me
you'll still find it entertaining. I still think its overrated in the community but the chemistry between the main cast is great and its kinda cool to see how Togashi's writing evolves over the course of the series.
I think most people say the manga is slightly better but I wouldn't know
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i'm watching nana for the first time ever, nonnies. i'm enjoying it immensely but at the same time the story feels so raw and real that i feel like finishing this show is genuinely gonna fuck me over. the fact that the manga isn't finished and probably never will be only adds to it.
i'm at the part where hachi takes nana to her hometown to watch the trapnest concert btw.
I watched it a long time ago on TV when I was in middle school and loved it. I think it's great until the arc with Sensui
ends, then it feels like someone forced the story to persist and it turns out that it was the case with the original manga.
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Urobuchi delivers again. Place your bets on who betrays who in the finale.
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The ending to that arc pissed me off especially because I feel like the build-up to it was 10/10 and the story was growing more complex in writing, but then the final fight dragged on with Sensui's schizo 8 personalities thing and then Yusuke's O MY DEMON DAD MY SPECIAL BLOOD
Its ok though since YYH mistakes led to his magnum opus HxH>>274106
Loving this so much. You just know Usui has a fucked up history/dark secret and I'm really looking forward to finding out more
I was about to say Hana Yori Dango but then I looked it up and it’s from the late 90s… Then I thought Hell Girl but that’s 2005.
Maybe try FLCL? Saiyuki is another one that might be good (they just redid it too).
dating anywhere between 2000-2009 in no particular order:>Trinity Blood ('05)>.hack//Sign ('02)>Chrono Crusade ('03)>Madlax ('04)>Kaleido Star ('03)>Gensomaden Saiyuki ('00)>Boogiepop Phantom (00)>Blood+ ('05)>Paranoia Agent ('04)
i know you said no sci-fi, but if you change your mind, these three are excellent imo>Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo ('04)>Ergo Proxy ('06)>Kino no Tabi ('03)
i tend toward edgier stuff, but if you end up sticking with any of these, i'd love to know your thoughts!
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>>274272R.O.D: Read or Die
Ironic, maybe just stop watching anime altogether because it's too>scrote media
You're so clueless.
I'm not sure if you mean y2k as in the year it's made or as in the overall aesthetics/feel of the anime so some of these may not fit:
welcome to the nhk (this one is kind of scrotey but not too bad)
hamtaro (more of a kids anime but still cute)
Don't mind it nonnie
, lc has been invaded by animecore/webcore/y2k fresh weebs for a while now and they only consoom anime because it fits the aesthetic they're going for, plus they're still incapable of critical thought due to probably being underage.
I miss LC's population from just a year ago.>>274556
Seconding this, it's such a slow burn and I always felt like the pace didn't really pay off well in the end.
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Is this legit?
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I love gay Kyoani stuff, how does Tsurune compare to Free? Is it worth a watch? I see that there’s 3 seasons now and a movie. I’m so out of touch these days with anime, I didn’t even know this one existed until today.
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So I finally watched "The Girl Who Leapt Through Time" and I really liked the first half. I liked watching Makoto fuck up multiple times, and then go back and fix it, or go back and dodge mishaps, ace that quiz, etc. I really hated the romance subplot though. I would've rather she kept messing up in geometric proportions so that by the end of the film, she had to run around the city in a "perfect run", so to speak. I also HAAAAATE the animation style (don't get me wrong I like the character designs) because every time it zoomed out on someone, they just became a gangly-proportioned, faceless blob. I couldn't believe that critics compared it to Ghibli films, when at least Studio Ghibli doesn't do that. Blegh. It's from 2006 so I shouldn't complain about the romance stuff, seeing as that was the style at the time. I loved Makoto, though, she's a great character: completely flawed, totally acts like a teenager (I loved how fast she texted, that was perfect), isn't super kawaii or a Mary Sue, is a pushover, loves exploiting her time leaping… I wish more anime protagonists would mimic her personality.
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I'm still reading Busu ni Hanataba wo./A Bouquet for an Ugly Girl though I'm super happy to hear that it's getting an anime adaptation in the future. It's rare to see a plain-looking female lead who is also relatable in the romance genre with a handsome guy and I hope they do it justice since romance anime for girls don't get that much appreciation. I'm just so tired of scrote romcom garbage being produced every season. Last romcom anime I enjoyed was Romantic Killer.
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Saw the new gundam Mercury and I really liked it! Someone said it feels like utena in space and it really does although the mc can be a bit Mary sueish but I'm hopeful for the future after the last episode! Also guel too he has a stupid hairstyle but I really like him!.
1.anime industry is run by scrotes who are actual weebs and only want to see waifus
2.meanwhile doramas are dominated by female-centric series and it's more profitable for shoujo and BL manga to be adapted in live action
Probably because the people making dramas know that their target audience has always been women. People making anime still think their main target audience always has to be men, and still think only male-oriented shows will sell well.
I think japan in general still hasn't figured out women are the biggest consumers? Or maybe they don't want them to be, or think it only applies to material goods. Maybe when all the old japanese male executives in the industry retire or die things will change.
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Just my opinion but I think that they know that tons of women are into shounen nowadays, the genre as involved to be a bit more open to female audiece and there is tons of money to make with just the slightest bl teasing
Oh nonna I'm late but love this show so much and now I want to rewatch it again. It's one of the most underappreciated shounen classics there is, it was big when it came out but for some reason it was forgotten and it's never even gotten a reboot.>>275003
And speaking of the legend, he's the only shounen author scrote that deserves to breathe.
This. Glad someone agrees. Honestly a lot of unfaithful adaptions from the past turned out to be better than the source in my eyes. Not sure if Tutu's manga was there before the anime, but the anime is 100 times better. I also think that Boogiepop Phantom is better than the new one, hell even Kino no Tabi was much better. I cannot even name any instance in which a remake was actually superior. From what I heard the new Shaman King was also somehow worse.
Also, 2003 FMA had that wonderful Russian song that makes me emotional till this very day.
The only show this season I would recommend if the other person isn't against samurai or somewhat serious stuff.
Now this sounds weird, but I like that it's serious but unspectacular? So many series with plot try to stick out hard these days by forcing in twists, wild genre mixes that fuck up the narrative or shocking scenes. Like I LOVED Fena the Pirate Pricess at first but then the series decided that an adventure is outdated and low IQ and they had to throw in shit that was never hinted before (and get rid of the based pirates) and it went to shit.
This is my issue with the new Trigun too. I love the old series because it took the time to show me their world, the tragic fates of fathers that lost their families, daughters that lost their parents, people that need money and a lot of funny and wacky shit on top of this.
Anyway, what I like about Revenger so far is that it doesn't try to grab people's attention much. It's a silent series that sticks to its idea. The characters are endearing, the story is interesting and fun, no supernatural stuff, just drug conspiracies. And instead of pretending to be deep they throw in idiot action like Doc wrecking his clothes every episode or Kurima's screaming, it's hilarious. >>274272
Noein was something I enjoyed a lot. Besides other series that were already mentioned
I feel sad about it but it seems that girly stuff for adult men have replaced girly stuff for girls. I am in dire need of magical girl anime, josei and general shoujo so that I am currently watching a bunch of old anime that I skipped or missed in the 00s.
I also fear that cute girl seinen or modern CGDCT shows, moe shit, whatever you call it is selling well while shoujo doesn't. Not as anime at least. The thing is that the people that buy expensive BDs and merch aren't usual fans that enjoy a series, they need to be more to spend money on this. Those are usually otaku and otaku buy when they are horny for a waifu and shoujo aren't pandering to them. I mean you even see it with women to some degree, hell I love a lot of anime but to be honest if I look at those I spend money on it's the series that have husbandos or pairings that am into.
No idea why they aren't daytime shoujo anime anymore though. Anime that rely on quotes and don't need BD sales. Are children not watching anime anymore? What are girls in Japan watching?
Ok he hit his legally assigned fiancé or whatever lol
Oh shit I did misremember! I thought it happened offscreen but I just rewatched your clip and he shoves her to the ground and trashes all her shit onscreen. (Shoving versus hitting not a huge difference imo but ok.) He’s textbook abusive
. The show treats it lightly and it actually pissed me off. I was triggered
I admit it.
NTA but I started Futari Wa so that I can watch the new season that just started I know you can watch them in any order but my autism tells me I should at least watch the OG first out of respect
but anyway my work schedule fucked me over and I never got around to finishing it in time. Its really fun so far though and it reminds me of the days I used to watch nothing but magical girl/shoujo anime when I was younger. So cute.
Thank you. I was fine until they started to redeem his character with no attention to his previous actions.
Imagine you’re suletta; could you ever get close to a man who treated your friend like that? I could never. (Do they get together after all? I dropped it.)
I haven't watched the show yet, is that his actual name? KEK
Also, question to the witch from mercury nonnas, I watched the prologue and it didn't feel like anything super special and I was a bit off put by the ammount of technical words/lore thrown at me in so little time.
Do you think the show is better than the prologue or is it about the same? I know the prologue was shown at some sort of gundam event so I was hoping it was made expecting viewers to already know gundam (I never saw any gundam before)
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This is his name actually which isn’t much better
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what do radfems think of utena? all discussion i've seen of the show has been from gendies (actually in the only utena server i know of, which is absolutely so rife with gender specials that you HAVE to have your pronouns in your display name kek, and they're always like "ummm radical feminists like utena xD? did they miss the point of the show")
I followed Utena fans around 2011/2012. While I don't recall any of them being radfems they did lean more towards radical ideas and analysed the show from that point of view, rather than a gendie point of view. They where all women too.
But that's a decade ago so I don't know how that has changed.personally I have always preferred the manga over the anime but the manga has zero fans
I find all the designs in this new gundam hideous as fuck tbh its like they’re trying really hard to be unique that it just ends up ugly
Even the uniforms are shit
- Odd Taxi
- Ousama Ranking
- Girls' Last Journey
- Sagrada Reset
- Shouwa Genroku Rakugo
- Fune wo Amu
- 86 Eighty Six
- ID Invaded
- Planet With
I liked that one about the magic tanuki family a lot … Uchouten Kazoku: The Eccentric Family
Nice change of pace from the usual anime but still very weeby and had some pretty scenes
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Samefag: also Hozuki's Coolheadedness
was good. I rarely like comedy anime but it was funny and even when the humor was a little too Japanese for me the hell lore was really interesting.
the majority of anime have always been scrotey but I too think it's getting worse every season. The only newer shows I can watch are generic shounen like Dr Stone or Tokyo Revengers and I used to not like that genre at all. It's just that everything else is much worse and I'd rather have an anime with very few to zero important female characters than shows where every female char is just designed to be wank material for moids.
I've mostly stopped watching new releases and stick to older shows or rewatch my favourites
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No. It's just pretentious ecchi. Any good plot it might have had is behind a wall of long boring pseudo deep conversations that drag on forever, and it is ridden with fanservice and female sexualization. I never liked the tryhard SHAFT directing style either. Just watch an episode and you'll see if you like it, they're all the same.
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Saw something a while ago saying to go into School-Live! blind so I did just recently and it's pretty good.
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Long rant/review for violet evergarden, minor spoilers ahead
I finally watched violet evergarden (only the series not the movie) and first of all, it was a slog to finish it. This should have been an anime that hits the right spot for me cause I love drama but I didn't care about any of the supporting/episodic cast, their tragic backstories came across as incredibly shallow to me and I think they tried too hard to make it emotional with the sad soundtrack and flashy animation when they only had less than 20 minutes of screentime… seriously. I know it's important for violet's character development but it was so forced, especially the episode with leon, like what was even the point of his character. I don't think it makes any sense but it almost feels like they manipulate you into feeling sad instead of feeling sad as a result of the good storytelling? Kinda pointing to you like "look look isn't this so sad and tragic". Also cause I'm the mood to rant, I HATE how overplayed the mom on the deathbed trope is like holy shit please come with something else for the drama please. Apparently everyone cried at that episode while I was rolling my eyes at the very cliche scenario, and the ending was extremely predictable. Not just that moment, a lot of the scenes are predictable like oh yeah this character is gonna compliment violet and blush cause she's pretty. The forced sexual tension between cattleya and benedict was so out of nowhere too, their characters don't even have any relevant arcs, why am I supposed to care about their beef.
Another problem, the worldbuilding. So we are in this fantasy world inspired by early 1900s europe, violet wears an edwardian dress and… the characters are eating yakisoba takeout with chopsticks in one episode? And literally everything else feels like such a mess, some characters wearing typical period dress meanwhile others like cattleya with some sort of weird coomer tits out modern clothing. And then there's benedict almost dressed like a modern queer with high heels who does drag on the side, even though he's straight. It reminds me of how westerners depict japan with weird sexualized kimonos and exaggerated geisha makeup, that's how tacky this european inspired setting is.
Now the good parts, well as expected the animation was beautiful, kyoani did a good job as always. In fact i think it's the animation itself that makes people believe this series is much better than it seems, cause it almost a case of style over substance. Yes, it's shallow but hey look at how pretty they animated this crying scene, this will make you emotional right? Also I did enjoy violet's character, even though it was ridiculous for a thin frail kid to be stronger than multiple adult soldiers but that's anime power scaling for you. Much to my surprise I actually got invested in her relationship with the mayor and that's where it was obvious the series was written by a woman (who probably liked clamp growing up lol), it definetly had a feminine touch. The age gap is still gross, but I appreciate the fact that the mayor still respected violet and wanted her to be free and from violet's pov, I understand why she'd get so attached. And I really liked the scene with the brooch, it was so romantic. This is a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine lmao don't judge me but I kinda like how the mayor is a "lost lenore" to violet in a way. It's more common for women to get fridged for manpain, not the opposite.
So yeah that pretty much concludes my review, for me it's a boring series with some genuinely wholesome scenes and lovely animation but for someone who isn't familiar with cliche drama tropes or someone who is more sensitive it might be a tearjerker. It's not poorly written, I can see they had good intentions (and some meh execution) but it's without a doubt overrated and they could have skipped over unnecessary scenes. Heard the author was inspired the clannad and I kindaaa see it in her overdramatic writing, but imo she didn't quite catch the magic of clannad.
I felt like the child-soldier angle was not appropriately explored or depicted and that's most of what I think about when it comes to violet evergarden. I realize if the show actually got into the nitty gritty of being a child soldier it would completely eclipse everything else but in my head that already happened.>>276039
oh that might have been me, I'm glad you like it. I usually read synopsis but I went in blind on that one because I was told to and I definitely enjoyed it more that way.
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Nonnies how was houseki no kuni translated in your language? In my language the gem girls are referred to with "she" but then I checked the English version (I should stop assuming that the English translation is better) and it was the gender special "they" that was used.
"They" was used to avoid freakouts about pronouns from what I understand since there's still a lot of bitching about whether the gems should use guy or girl pronouns.When they turn into Lunarians they all start using female pronouns, wonder how the English translation is gonna handle that.
Also I hate how it ended. Like yeah sure there's a few more chapters but where the hell does the story go from here? Enma got what he wanted, the Lunarians and Gems escaped all consequences for their evil actions. Phos is so depressed she went into a coma for millions of years.
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Welp. How do we feel about whatever the fuck that was
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I'm with you. Nothing I've watched in the past 5 years has that magical feeling to me anymore. I guess I'm finally a jaded oldfag. I just wish I could watch Spirited Away for the first time again.
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i started rewatching school rumble
have you watched summer wars or the girl who leapt thru time?
those two movies always rekindle that magical feeling for me…(besides ghibli stuff)
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aku no hana and shinsekai yori!!!!!!!!
Not everything that fits the themes is super good, you might want to filter by rating as well. But at worst it's average. The best stuff in it is probably Ping Pong for psychological and Rakugo for drama.
Should I update it with shows from 2011/2012? I just remembered 2011 was a big year for anime, but idk if you were still watching by then.
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I like both, but the villains (sans Greed) are so much better done in 2003 vs Brotherhood. Father is not an interesting antagonist at all.
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It was published in a male-targeted magazine - your criticism is totally off. It's like complaining that a women's TV channel has fashion and diet programmes.
It's actually perfect the way it is, when you look into the subtext. A shy guy moves to a big city and meets women, some of them potentially into him, yet he chooses his robot-girlfriend in the end. This is too funny in a dark way. >>276094>I used to be a big weeb kek
You never were if you think you're>growing out of anime
Also, watch Gasaraki. >>276049
KyoAni choosing style over substance is like saying that water is wet. I never understood the simp following that studio has. >>275350
Too many to name. I also believe that asking for recs should be banned. /a/ forbids it and for a good reason.
Not that anon, but I gave up watching Summer Wars halfway through. It was an unpleasant experience.
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is a bit too cheesy and overdramatic - not my first rec for something Ghibli-like.
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Once you start asking for recs, rec requests are spammed, all discussions is ruined and people who want to discuss things leave while lazies who can't be bothered to research shows proliferate - it becomes a positive feedback. This is the future you chose, I guess.
>This isn't the hardcore anime thread for terminally online otaku
How ironic, typing such things on an imageboard. You lack self-awareness.
None of that shit will happen. This is not a fast paced imageboard with tons of new people coming every day. Nothing is going to happen because 1 person asks for recommendations.
Seriously, go back to 4chan. You clearly don't belong here. >>276467
I'm sure it's an autistic 4chan moid.
>>276467>like the comicbook guy in the simpsons
Lmao it's true.
Is this the same guy that was defending male written porn games and fetishes in the fujothread? Sure seems like it.
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I'm just this gross on the inside - what the hell have you expected from browsing an imageboard? Who do you think congregates here? TikTokers? >>276469
Encouraging leeching behaviour (that's what humouring rec-seekers is) is just like feeding attention-whores attention. You'll learn soon enough where it leads.
Idk what that anon is being smug about anyway since /a/ has been a shithole for the past 5 years at least. Gone are the days of a half decent board that actually had it's own culture.
In the end this thread is better simply by the virtue of being on a female imageboard, I don't care if nonnies ask to be spoonfed or get reccs since this is one singular thread anyway.
I think that's all it was, to become a god. The thing in the flask was some kind of alchemists' creation, but I think that's the extent of how much it's explained.
Dante's goal isn't some revolutionary amazing one but seeking out eternal life and screwing everyone else over for it is coherent and fitting with the brothers' personal goal that started their journey.
Plus, I preferred the idea that you could bring people back, but it only led to misery and torment to do so. Everyone who brought someone back ended up regretting it or causing more pain.
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Giving reccs to a nonnie
is like giving them to a friend who will then come back to discuss said anime with you. We're a tiny community and don't have to be unwelcoming in order to preserve the "quality" of the thread, because it simply isn't filled with retards (mainly moids).
Anyway nonnies I really recommend Sugar Apple Fairy tale if you want some cute romance. And Shall is so pretty and pleasant to look at.
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Started season 5 of Aggretsuko and I just don't know whether I can keep going bc I just hate Haida so much. Especially knowing that he and Retsuko end up getting married. Just hate that his creepy obsession with her has been rewarded with a relationship
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your brain is rotted from posting on /a/ too much, many such cases
Adding on what other anons said, I don’t know how old any of this is but here we go
Do It Yourself
Dragon Dentist (movie)
After you. Not your safe space.>>276545
Star Driver is kind of crap. The FABULOUS gimmick wears off fast and there is nothing underneath, like a well thought-out plot or memorable characters. The only thing it has going for it is that it lampoons kinda sorta Utena in places.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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I'm late but I just saw Children of the sea and loved it, I'm so mad that I couldn't see this on a big screen. It was so beautifuly animated and scored, a great exeperience ! The story felt quite rushed at some moment so I will try to read the manga next, I would still recommend it of course
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I was disappointed by it. It tried to be ART in the final moments, but it just come off as 'artsy', if not a bit tryhard, and lost the plot in the process. It feels disjointed as a result - the first half being a conventional narrative centering around supernatural/magic realism mystery and SoL, the latter half went full into a 2deep4u SEA THE ORIGIN OF LIFE, look at all the SYMBOLISM!, animation-over-content mode. Borderline pretentious.
I think even Evangelion had more cohesion and more justification in doing so when pulling off something like that.
Anyway, when it comes to sea-related anime, I greatly enjoyed Lu Over the Wall.
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Going to see this in cinema. Wish me luck.
Please stop interacting with the /a/non!>>276494
I'm sorry I mentally wrote this off earlier but it was legally free in youtube where I'm from so I tried it out. It's not free from obnoxious shoujo tropes but it was actually pretty cute and sweet enough to melt my sardonicism.
Pluto is a storyline from Astro Boy rewritten/redrawn by Urasawa, IMO it feels way more like Tezuka’s characters in an Urasawa story. I haven’t read it in years scalped my manga when moids were paying over $100 a volume hehe
but I thought it was fine, it’s pretty melodramatic if you’re into that.
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loved it so much as well, it was stunning. i love the manga a lot so i was so amazed with how well the film was able to translate daisuke igarashi's style. i hope more of his works will be animated
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what's wrong with tezuka? i just started watching 2003 astro boy and i'm really impressed by it.
yeah I'd probably like it, I literally just snap-judgement filtered it based on the tezuka association >>276806>what's wrong with tezuka?
as I said I'm a hater so I'm sorry for offending any fans itt but I think his style is ugly disney-inspired garbage
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i don't really get it, so you simply just don't like his artstyle? i think his art is so cute imo
Yes. Don’t really like the stories either but they’re for kids so I’m not that critical of them. Don’t really want to read manga with such a strong western influence. I think he’s wrongly credited as the father of manga, I know he’s an OG but it’s not like he invented it and other mangaka were just as influential in shaping the evolution of manga/anime if not more so (most early shoujo authors in terms of art and Go Nagai in terms of stupid tropes for example).>>276831
Yeah basically. I have my little gripes but it’s pretty much a personal taste thing.
So for someone who hasn't watched any would it be best to just watch season one and skip the rest?
I liked the idea when I saw the trailer but never ended up watching it.
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This is getting an anime. I can't wait! The trailer looks stunning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gquRl13WryU
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Gyakusatsu Kikan just gets creepier on every rewatch by the year. The reality caught up to the fiction and the only way out is escapism.
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I watched the first episode of Sugar Apple Fairy Tale and I’m surprised that I like it so much, but please tell me the MC becomes an adult before they do romantic couple stuff. The animation is good and fairy man is so cute, it just throws me off that he’s one million years old and she’s a 15 year old child. I’m going to guess they don’t wait since she specifies early in the episode that 15 is an adult in their country. Ick. I don’t care if the male is attractive, it’s gross pedo shit.
This is anime aimed for 15 year old girls. Of course not unfortunately,
but I can't confirm for you. I imagine it's one of those shoujos where they don't do any more than princess carrying and kissing. But it pissed me off that she's all like "I'm actually 15, an adult in this country". Girlie, you SHOULDN'T say that…
I imagine they only did that so she can start a business legally but nothing would be lost of she was 20 and just as naive and sheltered.
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Episode 2, yikes. This was written by an adult woman (I think.) Obviously, scrotes do so much worse, but it hurts more when it's a woman. I guess I just sadly expect this kind of shit from men at this point. I thought all women hit an age (20s) where they look back and realize this type of thing is fucking gross.
Damn tho that moid really does sound like the simpsons comic book guy KEK
Honestly I don't care because women aren't stupid or predatory like moids, girls reading fiction know it is fiction and read it for that very reason. And he doesn't look old or act old, so I don't think this would give them any ideas about dating older men. Old men don't look like Shall, and Shall doesn't look like an old man.
Many cute love stories have this 100 years age gaps with supernatural beings like Inuyasha, Kamisama Kiss, Natsume Yuujinchou, Hotarubi no Mori. Cute anime boys are not real life moids.
I've read the novel. It does elaborate on the ending more (in the anime it's quite ambiguous what happened). I still don't find it believable that ChatGPT could have some much sway over people's minds. Or perhaps I put too much trust in rationality. >>276972>teaching
Anime is entertainment and escapism. I do not like how you try to introduce mission creep into a medium that is near and dear to me. >>277094
And not to mention books you are forced to read at school as well.
Eh I care about minors getting over-representation in media and unrealistically having the mind of an adult essentially. It's moreso a criticism I have with women being invisible the older they get. Nothing exists in the vacuum. Even if you say girls know better, it doesn'tchange the fact that patriarchy loves women and girls who can't decide for themselves. This is from someone who guilty pleasure reads older male age gap romance stories.
But my bigger issue is how the Anne isn't allowed to be a mean girl, all her mean decisions are made for her so she can still be a good girl at the end of the day.
I mean this is an anime aimed at teenagers. Most anime is, so of course they're going to be over-represented and are not going to act like the dumb kids they actually are.
I think you're expecting it to be something it just isn't. Like why do you want Anne to be mean? She's assertive and stands up for herself, she doesn't need to be "mean". Seems like you are projecting your personal dissatisfaction with life onto it, and then got disappointed because the show doesn't meat your standards?
. Chill kek. I even posted I liked it lmao.
We can both be critical and enjoy things. I simply don't agree with an anime aimed at teenagers suddenly can't allow themselves on having more depth (on presenting girls expressing more emotions outside of being kind good etc). I'm also referring to the part where a villain essentially has to do the sad melodramatic choice to push shall away. Which just coincidentally fits with her state of mind how she feels unwanted by shall in worry that he still likes his first owner.
Besides, teenagers will consume media even if it's not starring someone explicitly their age. Let's just agree to disagree. It's a fun show, has all the pitfalls of a shoujo tropes whether we like it or not.
he's dubbed the 'father of manga' mainly because of how prolific his career was immediately postwar. go nogai et.al. would not exist without tezuka, since they were still kids who grew up reading his manga in the 1940s/50s.
year 24 group + nagai are apart of that 2nd generation, obviously very influential as well but not the progenitors
I think you guys are forgetting that those fantasies are so common, in part because girls see it everywhere. No one said he looks or acts "geriatric" just that he's an adult with a 15 year old girl, which is enough to be predatory irl.>But these are fictional men>There's nothing wrong with girls liking handsome young men
Yeah, but not all girls who like this kind of stuff in fiction manage to keep it separate from real life, and I don't blame them because media can affect us in a lot of ways, especially when you see the same implicit messages everywhere. Ideas can be learned from media too even if you're not aware of it or it's not made explicit. There's a lot of real 20-something moids who take advantage of teen girls who think it's ok to have a handsome adult boyfriend and because they think real moids are as innocent and pure as the men in their fantasies. Obviously not all girls are naive like this and they know better, but a lot of them unfortunately have to learn through experience. Would you say there's nothing suspicious about a manga like >>221238
said though this isn't an attack on this anime, it looks cute and I actually want to watch it, but I just wanted to clear that up and there's nothing wrong with being critical and honest about the stuff we like. Also I don't see why the love interest can't be the same age (at least physically) as the girl. He is hot tho I'll give you that.>>277110>Anime is entertainment and escapism
Since when does entertainment not have the power to influence people's ideas in real life? Personally, I do not like how you try to imply that the contents in anime cannot be analyzed and criticized even a little bit just because you're too emotionally attached to it. All fictional stories are biased in some way, I don't know what you have against others not wanting to take them at face value.
I hate your communist China censor mentality.
YOU MUST NOT ENJOY
Some impressionable girls will do drugs, date old men or have unprotected sex, because they saw it in the TV drama? Some lost boys with no proper parental figures will do drugs, do crime and become school shooters because they saw it in vidya? I COULDN'T CARE LESS. Why should I take responsibility for other people's fragile minds and room-temperature IQs? Why should I coddle strangers or act like a homely matron towards teens? I'm not getting paid for that. I'm not a busybody trying to save the universe, I have enough of my own shit to deal with. I'm not going to treat teenagers like mentally-handicapped children either - the law surely doesn't when it sets the age of criminal responsibility at 10-13!
You know how to crack down on grooming? By arresting groomers and serving harsh prison sentences to pedos, not misdirecting the public into thinking that by restricting certain elements in media THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING. They ain't doing shit.
If you wanna petition for a more comprehensive age rating system for books or shows, do that - I'm not against it. It's something that I would even very much welcome when it comes to books, so I don't have to read content I don't like. But appealing to the good old 'think of the children' argument is just manipulation and covert support for censorship on your part.
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Is the anon pearl clutching in the room with us right now.
I just found out about this movie and I'm curious to watch it! I vaguely remember much from the original series but I have been trying to get back into it.>>277735>I think this is all just dumb pearly clutching tbh. Anime is a niche, shoujo manga is a niche within a niche. Most girls don't watch anime, the amount that could be influenced by this is tiny.
And yet all the fakebois trooning out from yaoi.
>>277810>And yet all the fakebois trooning out from yaoi.
If you're going to shit on anime and blame it for real-life stuff in an anime thread, go somewhere else. You clearly need to vent, just don't do it here.
And for your information, girls trooning out because of BL manga had not been a thing ever (not even in Japan - where gay manga/anime romances targeted at women originated from and gained enough following to spawn several manga magazines, uncountable number of doujinshi, games, drama CDs, live-action dramas etc.) until the medical establishment started to push it and made a business out of it. You might as well start blaming Disney and the American animation industry for the existence of furries. Why don't you?
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This is an old comment but god you are so right. That shit was fire and I'm sick of this dumbass.
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Gotta admit, I really liked Tomo-chan back when it was still running. Is the anime worth watching? I don't want to experience another deep, painful disappointment like it was the case with the Horimiya anime.
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I couldn't stand the pedo dog. Otherwise a 8/10 show.
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No way anon, you just unlocked a memory for me, I can still taste those choco eggs. I had collected all the toy surprises.
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What other official meme dubs are out there, aside from Ghost Stories and Devilman?
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can someone rec an anime with strong female friendships? i checked the rec sheet here >>259832
but didn't see anything.
moebait is fine i guess but i'm really wanting something made by a woman & aimed at women. no romance as the focal point, just women/girls behaving as people. and not…women stereotypes either, please no shows where all they do is cook and go shopping for shoes while giggling at a baby's pitch.
Sadly it's very hard to find anime that is specifically aimed at women, created by women, and focused on female friendships, because a lot of anime/manga with those themes and/or female-made, are technically shounen or seinen, or have no clear target demographic. It doesn't help that good but obscure shoujo/josei manga that's not about romance rarely gets anime adaptations, and even the romance ones are getting more live action than animated adaptations now. So finding a specific anime that meets all your requirements: created by women, specifically for women, with strong focus on friendship between women, and especially without stereotypical female gender role shit, is near-impossible, if not impossible to find.
You may want to check out the female friendship media thread for non-anime as well as anime:>>203003>>182721
Have you watched Haibane Renmei? Azumanga Daioh?
There's also Michiko to Hacchin which was made by a woman who wanted to create an anime specifically for adult women to watch after work. But I haven't watched it so I don't know how strong the female friendship themes are. There's also Carole and Tuesday which looks pretty good in terms of scroteyness but that's by Shinichiro Watanabe, which you may not like.
Aria the Origination is a series I've seen recommended around here, and even though it's based on a shonen manga, it was created by a woman.
Another beloved anime around here is Hands Off Eizouken, but the fact that the original creator is a pedo scrote
might turn you off big time.
Hibike Euphonium, I havent watched either because I don't do moeshit, but apparently a lot of nonnies liked it.
And if you're really desperate and can stand stereotypical girlyness, unironically watch magical girl anime aimed at girls. Most PreCure shows are pretty good and generally don't pander to the adult scrote fans. They also don't tend to have any sort of romantic plots, it's all about the power of friendship. The downside is that it's for little girls and not adult women so you won't get a lot of mature themes from it. There's more anime like this and for older female audiences, but I don't know if you'll like it because it involves stereotypical feminine activities.
btw I don't know if any of these anime are on the rec list, but they should be.>>277735>most girls don't watch anime
You realize a lot of, if not most young girls in Japan watch anime for kids and little girls, and that even teenage girls can watch shoujo stuff on TV unlike us who have to look it up online, right?>shoujo manga is a niche within a niche
Not in Japan it isn't. Girls in Japan read a lot of manga (although not always shoujo because shoujo magazines' popularity have been in decline and shounen manga is now trying harder to pander to female audiences).