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Is v like 120 pounds or something
official weight published is 137lb, i might believe that since there's no way i'm believing that he's actually 5'10"
although he's part of the younger group who all seem to be shedding weight so who fucking knows
He looks that slim he’s probably 5’9 at least tbh no shorter
People are always surprised at how skinny bts when they aren’t wearing loose clothes
At first I was like "Eeeh it's not THAT bad" until they zoomed when she twerked what the fuck ???
I still have nightmares with that performance of "Side to Side" the youngest girl in IZ*ONE did, so fucked up
the rate is about 75% for south korean males aged 14-24
american influence strikes again
Great taste, anon - I like to listen to that song whenever I feel like it as well!>>81920
Because of You by After School is also pretty good
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17 years after their debut Jaejoong and Changmin still win in terms of attractiveness according to japanese netizens. Do you think that in 2030 anybody will vote for Jimin, Jk and Co.?
While I was a big DBSK fan when I was young, after Yoochun's toilet scandal, Junsu not paying his staff and now Jaejoong's "joke" there aren't many unproblematic members left but nevertheless I don't think that anybody could ever reach that level of success again, not even BTS. Being invited to american shows because inclusivity and kpop as a whole are trendy right now is nothing against the huge impact they had back then.
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I’m glad Natty eventually got to debut. It’s fortunate the cards fell so that she’s debuting at an older age than she was in Sixteen (though she’s still quite young rn.) >>81983
Yep. I’m still petrified at the comments Somi got under her high school graduation pictures.
DBSK/TVXQ status in Japan will never ever be topped by another k-pop group. They are just untouchable, no matter how problematic
the members get. The remaining two TXVQ could pack up in Korea and only promote in Japan and the money would never dry up.
DBSK/Kara/BoA had more impact in Japan than any other group/soloist. I can't see the likes of BTS even touching Kara's status even though they aren't a group anymore.
Sounds like a mix of LION, Senorita, and Blow Your Mind and I'm "here for it"
It's currently #9 on YT trending and was #10 about 30 minutes ago so it's being well-received. I bet being one of the last groups to have prepared a full MV and mini-album comeback before everyone went low/no activity since March is helping them a lot. Hopefully they gain more of an audience in Korea from this
Minnie is gorgeous and thick by KR standards
Is it me or are all these new groups (mostly boys) ugly as fuck?
Who the hell is MCND are they popular or nobodies? Never heard of them
He's been SM's dutiful servant for over 15 years now and THIS is his debut song? What a joke.>>82033
I hate the song, otherwise I'd vibe with it.
I agree cause the thing is these dudes aren't even pretty anymore. SHINee back in the day was pretty and so was many other male kpop groups. It's like these companies don't know what a pretty boy is anymore so they are putting a crap ton of filler in their faces and shaving their jaws in an attempt to make a bunch of uke, yaoi type boys but only koreaboos and Korean tweens think that that's cute. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks most of these boy groups are fugly now.
NCT were fine pre debut all they needed was just the stage make up and crap and now a lot of them don't look right anymore. They looked normal in person a few years ago when I ran into them one time when I was walking around in Seoul but now, oof
. The same goes for almost all of these new boy groups. Why scout attractive people only to botch them horrifically? Is it like a control thing?
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Holy shit armys on Twitter are going rage right now using the example of an NTH room operator being 13 years old as a reasoning why the 11 year old that posted online comments should be sued by Bighit lmfao
They're actually retarded lol
apparently a 12 year old was helping a bunch of bts anti trolls trend a sexual assault hashtag saying that bts assaulted someone (armys keep giving different stories so who knows if it’s even real). they’re saying that bighit sent her a cease and desist or just straight up sued her (again conflicting stories all over).
if this story is real, it is not comparable to another 12 year old operating a chat room where people his age are raped and exploited. kpop has rotted these people’s brains
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The song, and the album are pretty much what I'd expect from him. The vibe, and all is very him. Piano is 100% what I'd expect, and want to see from him. The only criticism that I have is that the album does show his vocal power, and range. There's no high notes, and big ballad. That was a bit weird for me. I'm pretty sure he wrote the lyrics, for Chocolate, so it's not like he was forced to pick some song SM had laying around. I think it took him so long to put out a full on (Korean) solo, is bc he probably wasn't interested. Dancing isn't really his strong suit. Not that he isn't good at it. He just usually flails his arms, and strips during his solo songs.
What a dumb thing to be upset over but they'd drool if he did this to Jimin or Taehyung.
I hope this won't make things too awkward between him and Jaehyun. JK's mental health would benefit from having more friends,since the rest of BTS have alluded in the past that he seems more like someone who prefers playing video games instead of socializing.
so they smashing then
lol but fr I’m glad junglebook isn’t in his room watching hentai all day
arent jungkook and jaehyun in some 97' line gc together ? i assumed theyre friends bc of that>>82701
when i first heard cl rapping in the beginning of Falling in love i swore she said the n word kek looked up the lyrics and apparently its not even anything close but it still sounds like it to me
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Taeyong is too good for nct and his artistic potential is being wasted there. He has the perfect face, amazing versatile dance skills, a unique rapping and singing style, and all these unreleased tracks he produced himself sitting around waiting for a solo album while he's forced to prance around with the rest of those fools in that flop group
His unreleased tracks:https://mobile.twitter.com/moonwalkwithten/status/1247946600674144256
I think him being a bully in school is worse than the scamming thing tbh
he also has no friends in nct so I would guess he's not a nice person now either
Taeyong has the stage presence, the face, and his dancing, sure, but he's not great at singing, his rapping has him sounding like he has a perpetual head cold–Mark, while ugly, has clearer diction and is leaps and bounds better in his execution–and his personality is hot garbage. And besides all that, wanting him to fuck you, anon, isn't enough of a qualifier for a solo. Go off, though!
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he has been /ourguy since this.
you must be new.
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odd looking yes.
how did you come to the tiny head conclusion though? its not as bloated as others, but in comparison….despite the bad contouring to make his head look diamond shaped….its not tiny. pic for reference
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You’re probably right. I barely know anything about NCT and might’ve just come across weird fan edited photos of him like pic related. I think it is the contouring now. >>82795
LMAO but I do feel bad for that fan
top post! best in long time!!!
i laughed tears. thanks anon.
if there were awards i would nominate
I think that might just be her natural chin anon.>>82774
I can never make my mind up about Taeyong he confuses me a lot. I really can't tell if he a decent guy or a scumbag.
Ugh, same here. I was listening to some underground-type Korean music and pretty much every comment was like "Who came here from RM?!?? XD" It wouldn't be so annoying if there were only a few comments, but why does everyone feel the need to type the same exact thing?
Btw, I hope things get better for you, anon.
I love Taeyong too anon! I agree with you that he's awesome and he's my ultimate bias. I do like him in a group though, I think it's good for him to gain more experience and it's better for his image right now considering his past "scandals" (I really don't care he was kind of a shitty teenager, don't try to prove me wrong I don't care). I totally see him doing more solo stuff in later years like U-know.
I wanted to share a nitpick unrelated to that. I was watching a reaction to G-idle's Oh my God (which I really liked although the arrangement was not the best) and I've noticed some people new to kpop are always so confused if they are seeing one or multiple people. I don't get this, I never had that issue with asians before lol like they look COMPLETELY different and sound completely different? Are people just dumb? Anyone else annoyed by this?
Wdym…Taeyong straight up sounds like a garbage disposal in some NCT songs>>82815
I just needa ask how is it that some of you anons can love people who are confirmed bullies? Like I tried getting into The Boyz and I can't even watch a performance now bc that kid Eric straight up disgusts me.
kek u wished, taeyong akgaes are really something else.
While he is a great dancer and has a nice face, his voice and rap are average at best and has not variety skills whosoever. gp hates him and he probably will keep getting dragged in scandals bcs his bully past.
He apparently hadn’t danced before joining SM, so if he trained to that level that must have warranted some status as a “favourite trainee”.
I don’t know why he is favourited to this extent though; I understand that a group needs a centre, (e.g. Kai is a centre, not necessarily being favourited but just fulfilling his role,) but that doesn’t explain why he has been allowed to do solo features, always has large verses in songs, is in almost every NCT U song etc. I like NCT but I can’t help but get salty at the fact that most members feel like backup dancers/singers when I watch their performances. Honestly if SM could find a way to put him in NCT Dream they would.
i guess cause he has stage presence.
thats the most important skill for performers
agree that ten is that groups best dancer
quite a few new ones coming up that (imo) overshadow the current famous ones though
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I kind of think so too, any other explanation just doesn't make sense, that was more than just accidentally botched (and he didn't even have a weak chin to begin with like e.g. Johnny). Is it because he's japanese? Or was it some odd punishment for something he did? It's like they wanted to sabotage him from becoming more popular. But why damage your own goods? He's probably beyond relieved that they managed to turn him back to look more or less the same as he did beforehand.
ten is miles ahead of taeyong in terms of dancing.
i'm glad he's in wayv now cause he deserves to have the spotlight on him instead of living in taeyong's shadow in nct.
can a nctfag explain to me why is yuta such a loner? he only seems to get along with mark but everyone loves mark anyway. sorry if this has been discussed before
Seems like SM realized that botching him up like this only brings bad attenion to the group.Correct me if I'm wrong but to me it seems like he participates more in their variety stuff and Vlives too ever since he got rid of the implants.I feel like SM kinda hid him for a while so fans and antis wouldn't ridicule them for having someone this botched.>>82856
Agree,idk why Taeyong gets praised as if he's some dance god.But as someone already mentioned,maybe it's because he came a long way from where he started.Didn't his company say that he was practically useless as a dancer in the beginning?I still think Ten is heaps better and what I would actually consider a dancer.
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this is an image board.
What kind of "graphic design is my passion" poster is this oh my God
Hwasa is bringing in quite some money surely RBW can afford decent designers
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She's starting to look like a bobble head though.She obviously lost weight for the solo because she wasn't this thin during HIP.
she honestly looks the same to me, she sometimes wears hip pads cause she has no actual hips of her own, that may give the illusion of a curvier body>>82908
no solo stans in the fandom but lots of people (ratmys) outside the fandom who only care about hwasa and shit on the other members
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Is it just me or I hate this face pose whatever’s it’s called it’s so smug and annoying
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Jungwoo's face confuses me bc there's not anything wrong with his features but I find him really unattractive. I can't identify what it is. In some pictures he looks like he's had way too much filler but I don't know if that's the reason why I think he's ugly.
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I agree he looks better here, I can’t pinpoint what’s different now (apart from him going through the chin ordeal).>>82933
I agree. Technically nothing wrong and he doesn’t really look botched or anything, but there’s something uncanny about him.
SM have really got to stop fucking about with their trainee’s faces (never forget what they did to Wendy).
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I expected this after that dispatch interview. I was surprised dispatch published that kind of PR from an alleged criminal that had no label at the time. idk why starship kicked him out just to let him back in but at this point they should just let him back in monsta x since I can't see his solo career going far.
Most moomoos have Moonbyul as their bias. A lot of the Korean fandom are lesbians, and obviously Moonbyul is a huge draw for them.
In the fandom popularity goes Moonbyul >Solar>>>Hwasa>>>>>Wheein, and for the general public it’s like Hwasa>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Solar >> Moonbyul >>>>Wheein
yeah, moonbyul is way more popular than the others within the fandom. she became the 3rd highest selling solo female artist with her solo album, youtube views mean nothing.
anon before me doesn't know what they're talking about
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Is Kai txt in heaven
Because SM wants to make the group name bigger than that of individual idols, like a brand of some sort like AKB48 or Premier League football clubs.
It's also a way SM can exert control over members and just dispose of them when they demand basic human rights, since nobody cares about NCT members the way they did when the EXO or TVXQ members left.
I know they're bitter than Jaejoong/Kris/Jessica/Luhan went on to have comfortable careers off their names alone that SM had no control over
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“Mamamoo natural qweens”
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Yeah no its not a filter, she fucked her eyes, nose and chin up
idols visit dr kim? color me shocked.
tbh though, quite a few of em wont have any other choice.
they diet themselves railthin. that excessive dieting affects the face. so they get fillers to not look sick. fillers lead to more fillers (and pillow face, no they dont naturally have puffy cheeks. those dont look like that). to counter the early signs of aging they get surgery.
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looks mostly the same to me. obv she could have had something done and most idols get fillers anyway, but I don't see it in that pic.
and yes you can change your whole face on snow lmao
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Seems most idols have the goal of just looking the same now its so boring. I miss when idols could have unique features. I feel bad for people who started following groups post like..2014.
You say that because Eunhyuk isn't dancing as hard as Mark–they just have different styles. If you observe a dance class and watch a choreographer do the same routine as a student, it's the same affect where the instructor has more flow and isn't dancing as hard as the student who has a lot of tension and force in each movement.
This 'style' of putting a lot of tension in every movement makes the untrained eye think "Wow this is really hard" whereas watching someone like Eunhyuk makes it look easy, which is where observations like your own come from. Point is that you can't really say that Mark "exceedingly surpasses" someone who is technically better. Look at 0:53ish and watch the arm wave. Mark's technique is sloppy but since he puts so much tension in his arms, his execution looks tight to the untrained eye. Whereas Eunhyuk
executes the movement perfectly but makes it look super easy because he's more fluid and relaxed in his motions.
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Why does she always make faces to look ugly
Lol you guys know she has quite a few chaebol sponsors from when she started out her career?
Probably the reason why Joongki got fed up and left, I don’t blame him tbh
The only angle and grimace that can make her look like her face isn’t drooping
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txt is ranked below verivery, how unfortunate :/
Im beginning to think TXT will end up flopping, they havent even been invited to major tv shows in korea like itzy has/did in their first year lol
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Why not post the english translation? brand reputation doesn't really mean anything, but i don't think they'll be very successful either. the only member i can pick out is the white one and it's not for good reasons.
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ouch, the fact that the dude you r talking about fans have to reassure that he will grow into his looks say a lot
Hes 18, he will only grow up to look worse
Actually scratch that, entire of TXT are unfourtunate looking, not even talnted to make up for their looks and even doni and coni was like ''I didnt know bts had a junior group'' when they came out on Idol Room
the worst thing is they think they're hotshit these days, i watched some v lives and they were talking them selves up like ''my singin has improved'' or ''im so handsome these days'' with 5 minutes of them staring @ their face on the monitor lol https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2019/02/theqoo-txt-teaser-dump.html
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Itzy are so damn ugly. I didn’t think kpop’s standards could get any lower.
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That sloth creature that always side eyes people? Nah pretty sure it’s Ryujin
I feel bad for Yuna, she aged 10 years since she debuted…. Botox is not even gonna save her when she hits 25. I’m not gonna sit and lie but she was cute when she debuted, unfortunate looking before debut and she returned to that stage lol
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If you want know how idols really look like unedited and in motionhttps://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2018/04/enter-talk-its-random-but-i-always-feel.html>IT'S RANDOM BUT I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE THIS EVERY TIME I WATCH KNOWING BROS>Since they don't edit/filter their videos, I think that you can clearly see the guests' visuals on it. For celebrities who always looked pretty or handsome (especially idols), when they appear on Knowing Bros, their image on screen comes out so realistically that sometimes, I go "huh?… is that how the XX I knew look like..?" Especially idols, when they appear with their weird hair color.. On stage, the images are all filtered and they have stage makeup on, they suit their hair but when looking at it realistically, their visuals decrease a bit… Personally, I think that Twice and Exo are the ones who looked the best.
And imo Itzy were by far the most shocking. Even their uniforms seemed cheap, they really looked like a bunch of weird fangirls in a school talent school. Of course their skin texture is still smooth because they're super young but a couple years of idol lifestyle will transform that and their hair to shit too, on top of their already (below) average bone structure.
I also found all of Seventeen and many in Wanna One really ugly but I haven't seen all episodes, so maybe there are more (or even worse) groups out there.
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Samefagging but Ryujin was jaw dropping gorgeous during Dalla Dalla, nowadays she looks bloated
Thank you. I think the habit of dancing as hard as possible has been a huge practice in recent years because one way to distinguish yourself in the industry is to have a challenging dance along with your song. Imo kpop is to the point where the dancing is more important, or at least just as important, as the music.
Personally I am sick of the emphasis on dancing. I've grown up a dancer for all of my life and initially got into kpop because of the dancing, but kpop being this 'package' of singing, dancing, and visuals ended up giving more importance over time towards visuals, concepts, and dancing as opposed to singing and music. The industry as a whole is devoid of any personality for me because of todays' generic music, strict reliance upon choreography & lack of natural showmanship(?), and the oversaturation of groups and releases.
I now can see why Koreans haven't regarded idols as musicians and have a stigma against them. Even a group that started out self-composing like BTS ended up buying songs from Western producers and becoming extremely generic over time. Idols fundamentally will never be actual musicians imo because their personas and catalogue are tightly controlled by the company. Slightly OT personal story but I was in a lecture where a professor of a famous Korean uni said that Lee Sooman has some two-hundred page guide to creating and marketing groups to different audiences/countries across the globe. I've since looked it up and I think NCT and the concept of Neo Cultural Technology is basically built around this (but NCT fans might have differing opinions). There's no doubt in my mind that other companies would do the same if they had the ability (money) to do so.
The only thing that might restore a bit of hope in me is more bands and artists who improv on stage with little to no choreography. I'd try k-indie for something more refreshing but the majority of it bores me to tears.
sage for possible OT but when i did hi touch with txt i thought soobin looked worse (puffy/bloated?) irl but the rest looked ok, beomgyu looked unexpectedly good
but i havent followed them in a very long time so i dunno
The itzy girls arent drop dead gorgeous. they just have decent faces and idk why jyp wants to make them look worst with piss blonde hair that doesnt flatter their skin color.
they shouldve just sticked with dark brown and added highlights. besides, it fits the ~girl crush concept~ better.
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she looks like min hyorin
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So whats the deal now is Somi trying to get a Kardashian style reality show to try and build her brand now?
I remember coming across the 1st ep. Man, that whole fake crying at her school(like when you're truly crying your main priority wouldn't be holding the camera filming how moved you're) and acting as if she's the most important one there was so annoying.
I used to be neutral towards her but that video really changed my mind.
Do people (like the general population not twitter spergs) even care about her anymore? I feel like to me her hype has run its course.
It seems her solo getting delayed 8,000 times only for it to be released and be extremely lackluster was the final nail in coffin.
Seems like her videos (which are essentially just vlogs) get 1M views within less than a day, that's more than many idol groups could dream of getting for a music video. Plus she also stars in commercials, so she's probably making good money but she's not at the level of fame her dad wants her to be.
I also feel really sorry for her. The same fate is probably awaiting Wooyoung and that new underage halfu girl too. Never happening but I wish there was a law banning minors from working in the entertainment industry.
This video confirms my initial thoughts that Taeyong should absolutely not be a rapper. Not only is his rapping tone grating on the ears but his singing tone isn't all that bad. With some proper training he could be a decent sub vocalist and actually give Jaejoong vibes like he did in this video (and like LSM intended when casting him).
Also, I'm not a fan of NCT in the slightest but every song feels like Mark and the boys jfc. He's really not that talented to warrant him getting as many lines and as much screen/center time as he does. There's plenty of SM idols in other groups who aren't pushed as hard but are more talented than him imo. Can someone tell me what even is the cause of him being the favorite? He's kind of ugly and short tbh and his dancing is overrated as I've explained here: >>83078
. I'm pretty sure it's not due to money alone because Chenle of NCT Dream is wealthy af but Mark still was the favorite from what I've seen when he was in Dream.
I totally agree. Their group chemistry and potential is the best out of the NCT subunits so far and I can’t imagine what it will be like when all the 00 guys leave. Mark leaving was already sad. Their singles have more variety and every member is a great dancer/performer, especially considering they’re still young.
Thinking about NCT’s trajectory in general, they really didn’t use their initial momentum to its fullest. I hope 127 revisits that Limitless concept, and I want more interesting U singles with less utilised members (but that will never happen…)
No, they're just gonna be put in another NCT unit. No group separated from NCT or anything
Sm isnt planning on satisfying fans LOL
They want this project to work, fans dont be as stupid as to believe SM listens
They've wanted this unit/rotational/graduation concept ever since Super Junior came out.
And from what I know SM is planning on debuting a separate BG soon.
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Shes aging real hard for her age is what Im saying lol
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This. Irene is literally the same age as SNSD yet considered a "goddess" while the latter are getting called has-beens since 5 years already (meaning since they weren't even 25 yet). What's so wrong with letting people debut at 20+? Agencies should just stop releasing idols' ages and you'd have people unknowingly fangirling/fanboying over 30+ year olds. As long as you're not so old that you can no longer dance properly it shouldn't matter.
They're just way to obsessed with the concept of being a student. On that note, since Song Hye Kyo was mentioned >>83099
I recently read that she and a bunch of other big actresses basically only got famous because they were known as "ulzzangs". People would even come to their school to take pictures of them.>The earliest known use of the label has been attributed to a group of three high school girls Song He Kyo, Lee Yu Jin and Han Hye Jin who collectively became known as the "Eun-Kwang Ulzzang Trio", named after the school they attended together in 2000. All of the three eventually went onto pursue modeling and acting careers.
I always thought that at least actresses and actors in Korea would start out normally, like through theatre or acting school, yet even the highest paid and most prestigious celebrities only got their career thanks to their looks.
They're all so plain looking….
Least they could be is good actresses for all the hype the get.. some effort plz.>They're just way to obsessed with the concept of being a student.
Noticed that, look at all the hype Wonyoung gets despite not even having entered High school yet.
South Korea suckz, their lookism issue is real and terrifying.
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Since your favourite song etc. was asked quite often already…anons, what's the worst kpop song / group / idol in your opinion? (excluding Seungri and all the other criminals of course, otherwise the answer would be too obvious)
On, idol, bwl, bts first two albums simon says, kick it umpah umpah
Jimin, namjoon, jhope, jungkook, taeyong, lucas, taeil, irene, joy, jennie, taeyeon
ok you might hate these ppl
but the only contender for objectively worst idol on that list is taeyong
and only for his shitty behavior too
like theres too many nameless, talentless background characters jumping around to consider
Agree. I feel all the idols I baned are trash but if i was to rank them it would be taeyong > Lucas > jimin > namjoon.
Taeyong is a horrible person that keeps getting special priviledge from sm even though hes ugly, untalented, big headed and has a horrible voice
I don't know if this counts because the group is so off the radar that hardly anyone knows that this song ever existed but here.
Funnily enough this song failed to gain any attention so the group underwent a complete transformation to sell sex instead.
I don't know many of the newer or less popular groups, so I can't judge them.
beat me to it lol. Also Mr. Taxi and Idol. You could probably name all of Super Junior's discography too but being weird is their brand, so…
U-Kiss, Lovelyz, Oh My girl, Twice
Shindong, Sunny, Kevin, Amber, Hyerin, N, Ravi, Hyuk, Jin, Jhope, Ratmon, Whasa, Yeri, Umji, Dahyun, Chaeyoung, Johnny, Sohye, Shuhua, Chaeryeong
Their groups would be better off without them. An idol's job is singing, dancing, being pretty, thin and charming. Some are so entertaining that they can get away with not having any talent, some are pretty enough to cancel out their lack of talent and personality and some are so talented that people don't really care about them not being attractive but the above don't have any redeeming qualilities. Some are simply useless and some might have it all but are so obnoxious that you still hate them.
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Haechan and Doyoung in background of NCT dance practice lol.
I think what’s so atrocious about Banana Allergy Monkey is that OMG isn’t some nugu group and their company is decently well off compared to most others. You see groups with no chance promoting stuff like this >>83291
and you kinda expect it out of them, but you’d expect better from B1A4’s sister group. (Well, that and everything else about the song and MV.)
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Literally just haechan being haechan
dude lol why are you in your feelinga
there was literally a picture from 4 months ago where she looked 22 and im the one nitpicking lmfao
if i was nitpicking i wouldnt submit photos its a critical thread bro
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yuna debut > yuna 6 months later>>83237>the industry chews up and spits out young girls like crazy
I'm a vixxfag and even I'm ready to admit Ravi is one of the worst rappers in kpop, sometimes his voice works well enough but in worst cases his parts sound like a completely different, much worse song had just started out of nowhere. Vixx never would have needed a rapper imho. His solo music is abominable too. I can think of maybe 2 songs worth listening but rest is garbage and every song sounds the same, and it doesn't exactly help he autotunes his voice to hell. I've seen even other vixx fans complain about it. As far as kpop rappers go his personality doesn't seem to be that awful, he seems like ok guy who just has awful taste in everything (his yolo tattoo is a good example) but the standards are not exactly high there. He's a pretty good dancer and has a hot body so I guess he's got at least that, but so do many other idols lol.
But why N and Hyuk though? I thought N was among the fans one of the more popular members, is undeniably the best dancer in the group and has stage charisma. He can't sing at all but he has pleasant enough voice so no one seems to care. He used to be obnoxious when he was younger but you don't really see that from him anymore, now he's one of the more likeable members imho. His looks don't fit to the sk beauty standards at all though, I'm not familiar with how the sk fans feel about it but at least in the western fandom you only see people complimenting his caramel skin and talking about how hot he looks in drag lol (I agree). I think he's gotten more handsome with age, which for idols is rare. I guess he looks like a basic twink who grew up but that's kinda my type lol
Hyuk on the other hand is one of the blandest idols I've seen both looks and personality wise + he's sometimes rude to other members so I kind of get it, however I personally think he has a pretty good voice that should have been better utilized when they were at their prime. He's an ok dancer too so I wouldn't call him useless.
If I had to name another close to pointless member in Vixx it's Hongbin, he has the face that perfectly fits to sk beauty standards but that's literally all there is to him, he's weakest member talent wise and seems to loathe being an idol. Wasn't at all surprised when he got drunk and insulted idol music on livestream. He has done close to nothing with his life but one crappy pepsi commercial song and livestreamed video games since Vixx hiatus started, I guess his plan was to become a full time streamer before that scandal happened but now he can't do even that. I kinda feel bad for him cause he seems like a very unhappy person, he's said he's aware he's the weakest member and feels bad about it but couldn't he just find a normal job and leave then. He wasted his youth in an idol group, he could have become an actor with that face if he had gone that route, he's been even in some dramas I think but now I don't see him getting any roles for a while.
it's my first time posting here so yell at me if i fucked something up, i just see so seldom anyone mention vixx here so i had to vent lol
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nta but she looks completely fine and her age, blonde hair just makes most kpop idols look shit and washed out in unedited pics>>83288
It's entirely because he looks like jaejoong's alien twink brother. I hate how kpop replaces their popular idols with walmart brand versions of them, yg and sm are the worst at this
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I was a fan too in the past and I pretty much watched all shows/interviews they participated in but even back then I basically had to force myself to like those 3. I think the main reason that sums up my dislike for them is because they're pathetic.
Pretty much for the same reasons that you wrote. Did you see him on Show me the money? That was so hard to watch, he acts as if he's tough shit but he just doesn't have any talent whatsoever. He also seems angry most of the time, which combined with his lack of skill makes him appear even more arrogant. Plus I can't stand his face.>N
Also arrogant, seems like a petty bitch. He can't take jokes and talks way too highly of himself (maybe him saying he's the best/the most attractive is just a joke but it doesn't come across as charming at all…) He acts so desperate for approval, it's just really offputting. Example: when they went to Jeju island and he was pissed because the owner of the restaurant they visited obviously didn't know them, that was so cringy to watch, why would you ask for free food when you're basically a nobody? I also find his face creepy because it's so small and round. >Hyuk
He's pretty much the opposite of them but also absolutely not likable. I remember that the members got asked about solo activities and when it was his turn he just laughed awkwardly, because he's got nothing going for himself. Imo he's one of the useless idols. Neither goodlooking nor overly talented nor an entertaining personality.
Ken acts obnoxious at times but so do many idols. Leo is weird (maybe even an ass irl) but he attracts fans meaning he does his job and Hongbin just never stood out too me in a positive way but he acted serious most of the time, so he's at least not annoying. My opinion about him vastly changed tho after that drunk rant, pretty pathetic too. I agree with you about him being unhappy, all of them probably have huge regrets, they likely will have to work normal jobs in the future. Many wonder why Vixx never really succeeded despite their bodies, interesting concepts and good vocals, but imo it's because of the members itself, mainly their personalities. I don't even think that the way they act is something that was assigned to them by their agency, it's just that they themselves aren't likeable enough to get a big fanbase, they simply lack star quality. Sad because the songs weren't bad, but they just weren't meant to make it, they were doomed right from the start.
I didn't keep up with any of them after their disbandment, what are they doing now? Ravi makes "music", Hongbin streaming and the others?
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He honestly looks like a hag. How come people find him attractive. Fuck it, most of nct looks like shit.
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I don't think he's as horrible looking as many on lc make him out to be? There are many uglier members, at least he looks like a man
While we're already talking about nct's looks, Lucas without makeup looks easily a decade older…?
the makeup they do in sk really is impressive.
they go fro looking like in your pic to flawless.
either its really the make up (cause they still look good abroad on stage away from asian filters) or they get stuff done by doctor kim before going abroad. (maybe one of those botox+filler injected everywhere in face in micro doses)
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Why do idols always want to look like everyone else
cause beauty standards?
who btw is that?
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Nta but when sperm did a show in vancouver one of mark’s canadian friends posted this
Too bad the pressure got to her too. I thought she looked fine before but i don't blame her, really.
I wonder how she feels about being the least favourite member in mamamoo despite (imo) being the most talented one. She's too much "the girl next door" and too introverted and awkward compared to the others (ok maybe not moonbyul but she has the lesbian fans).
On top of that, her bff is the most popular member with a bunch of cf offers, tv appearances and a successful solo.
I'm sure that kinda makes you doubt yourself so insecurity probably caught up to her…i might be totally wrong but i feel like hwasa will be like the cl of the group and even leave eventually to go solo.
Wheein has anxiety and never liked being in the spotlight. mmm's agency asked her to promote her solo on shows and she refused, she's rarely on vlive/fancafe or whatever, even the members say her vibe is more like that of an indie artist.
mamamoo is one of the only groups I believe are actually close, like Wheein and Hwasa have been best friends since middle school. So I don't believe that Hwasa's success made her feel insecure and get ps, it's most likely some other reason
btw I'm this >>83065
anon, I didn't believe it until I saw her in motion with no filters on, and now I agree that she got something done to her chin and eyes. Too bad, I always thought she was the cutest one. Hopefully she stops now while she still looks okay
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>>83372>the makeup they do in sk really is impressive
Yeah it is, I want to know how they do it. There are many idols who look quite a bit older without makeup while in the west it's the exact opposite. There are also many idols who fooled me into thinking that their skin is smooth af, until you see how acne ridden they actually are. Korean makeup is supposedly so much less than western makeup but I think it's actually be the opposite, tho it doesn't look cakey either.>>83382
I'm sorry but to me he looks unfortunate with or without makeup.
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was posted few threads ago.
posting again to get barefaced all together (to avoid future going through all threads)
sure its not just the makeup (and lip lining)?
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Nobody can beat incel Chanyeol kek>>83397
Yeah why would a male idol get lip fillers, is that something fangirls care about?
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On the topic of nct and makeup, i don’t understand how their stylists managed to make a normal looking teenager look this busted
are there any idols we know for sure got lip fillers? (before after pic that evidently shows different lips and isnt due to makeup)>>83398
from when are those pics?
Yeah it's lip lining and that duck-lip pouting he always does for some reason>>83395
It does look cakey but but also very greasy on top>>83400
Lmao wtf he's so ashy. And that blue eyeliner is a huge no-no
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I mean unless they're doing too much too fast like Hyuna it's hard to tell because of makeup. I simply have a hard time believing that this is what the natural lips of asian males look like. Monsta X Hyungwon's "sassy" drinking gif also always reminds me of Kylie Jenner having to drink with a straw because she's lost all sensation in her lips thanks to too many fillers…
>from when are those pics?
2013, when he was in that jungle reality show.>why incel?
Because he looks looks like a greasy basement dweller?
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Getting lip injections has only been a very recent trend amongst some gangnam unnies, most idols still have smallish mouths, so it's a weird coincidence that more than one guy in a single group has gigantic ones, especially since they're known for copying black trends and pandering to the US. Also there's a huge amount of western guys who are "gay" for Jimin, so him having bj lips is even more suspicious…
Sadly Hyungwons lips are real
They look so nasty and weird lmfao
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what happened to hyuna totally trying really really hard to gain weight and her posts with her weight or diet were just her showing this for fans who are concerned? she doesn't have the super tiny waist that makes other idols (like blackpink) so noticeably skinny, but how does hyuna still get away with this with so little concern? is it because her fans would defend any of her moves just proving how carefree and unique she is? the amount of them defending this saying it's a completely healthy meal for an adult woman, or that she probably eats 6 or 7 of these in a day is embarassing
mmh if you look at baby pics/predebut (i know im a ratmy blah) they always had big lips. combined with lipstick/gloss doesnt look like lipfiller at all
also their stylists keep concealing them to make them look smaller
lip fillers arent even that popular with female idols, koreans dont dig the jessi look
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idk looks pretty thick to me
im just saying that koreans dont prefer kardashian lips and generally have fuller lips than westerners
ive also seen kpop girls having concealed lips which, to me, seems like a weird stylistic choice
>>83419>small mouth preference
never heard that, when, who said that? maybe just one or two?
arent those pre-determined by their agency?
they dont fully dissolve
if and how much they mess up the face depends on various things such as ability of injector and individuals biology which will determine if and how the stuff will migrate and dissolve. or not.
you ll have to be a bit more precise if you wanna know something specific.
there are also reports that they start dissolving bone. there was a korean youtube vid on that.
cant find the vid atm.
anyway, with all the kpop craze and the related ps there are lots of people including doctors uploading vids on it.
in one a doctor said that fillers on chin and nose can lead to it starting to eat into the bone. china has published a paper on it in 2018.
if this is due to bad quality material isnt mentioned.
it seems as though fillers are more popular than surgery. fillers do dissolve.
not sure what yutas chin looks like atm
anyway, the intended injection doesnt necessarily stay where one wants it, it can migrate.
worst part is, you need to dissolve that stuff rather quickly. it can bind with tissue (can, doesnt always). when that happens, its gonna stay for a long long time.
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I don't understand how this is 'bad' aside from the intentionally silly lyrics/concept. If there were average lyrics and a safe concept this would be a decent song imo.>>83401
YooA from Oh My Girl is the only one I can think of but I'm surprised there aren't more bc lip filler is big among the Gangnam Unnie crowd these days.>>83434
Tbh Jimin is cute without the kpop styling. But I definitely do think he's had something done to his nose after seeing these pictures.
as that girl hasnt got her mouth closed, it could be an upper lip lift.
those reshape the upper lip and make it larger. can lead to constant open mouth though
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An Asian Youtuber pretended to be a trainee on IG and apparently some thirsty kpop stan sent this to someone in reference to his fake account. Made me think of the children who go to kpop concerts barely clothed because they think that oppa will notice them and make their Wattpad fanfics come true.
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Lol your prayers were answered anon. Looks like Mark will be back with dream now too
They meant a redebut, not SM fucking up another unit system.
The graduation system was perfect, too bad whiny stans ruined it.
Damn bunny boilers lmfao
This makes no fucking sense.
So all those new trainees are going to be added to Dream?
Fuck my hopes for a new GOOD bg from SM then.
Nct fans are insufferable.
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I always thought Jaejoong's face is very slim and v-shaped for a guy but Taeyong takes it to another level, he looks downright gaunt (like The Scream). Plus Jaejoong and all the other "originals" (the guys SM uses as inspiration for NCT's ps) already looked a least a bit like their nowadays-selves naturally, they weren't given a completely different face.>>83473>Fuck my hopes for a new GOOD bg from SM then.
You realize that they'd be born in 2005 or even later, right? Stanning the current NCT Dream is weird already but being excited for an even younger group…
No, that's the opposite of what's happening. SM has explained this really badly.
What's happening is this: NCT Dream will now have fixed members (Chenle, Jisung, Renjun, Jaemin, Haechan and Mark) but those members will rotate based on the comeback. So one comeback might just have Chenle and Jisng, another might have Haechan, Jaemin, Chenle and Mark and another might have all the members. No new members will be added to Dream and no members will leave.
Basically it's just SM trying to get around not always having Haechan and Mark in the group when they're busy with 127 promos.
Here goes another failed project.
This is somewhat what happened back in the day when Elf’s refused a rotational unit (think in 2006 ish) and SM had to comply because the riots went to far.
But this time SM fucked up because they could’ve just created a different unit for those old dream members and kept the Dream graduation concept.
It’s a good way to introduce kids into Nct.
Dumbasses took it as they would make the kids leave permanently lmfaooo.
Sm is failing.
Investors are mad as fuck rn probably.
Prepare for NCT’s downfall next year.
>>83486>You realize that they'd be born in 2005 or even later, right? Stanning the current NCT Dream is weird already but being excited for an even younger group…
I guess people can't like music for MUSIC then? I don't even stan to the younger groups cause its weird, but I enjoy their music.
I loved Shinee and EXO. All I want is for SM to create a new group that has listenable music again so that I can extend my spotify playlist. >>83489
Oh then I guess my faith is restored lmao thanks for explaining!
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Does anybody else also think that Taemin has an eating disorder?
He debuted super young, so at that time the "naturally skinny" excuse might have valid, but even back then the group talked about dieting. Later for his solo debut he went down to 57kg.
>“I have the tendency to gain weight easily and I can’t really do any diet at all. My trainer made me try dieting and exercise but I think somewhere along the line, it was miscalculated and I ended up losing a lot of weight.”
How can you miscalculate that? Just stop if your weight goes too low?
In Sperm he's "in charge of dieting" in the group and Baekhyun even told him he has to eat.
There are so many eating disorder rumours about people who are much heavier than him, yet he always get's away with it despite being open about restricting. The most bullshit excuse I heard was "He prefers being skinny because dancing is easier this way!"…
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Now it's slightly better but a couple years ago his arms looked worse than Lisa's and Rose's.
the way i see it:
in order to be in the business you gotta have a certain look/features.
having a defined face seems to be one of the main things for guys.
taemin puts on weight in his face fast.
so for shoots, comebacks etc he will try to get low in bf (hence loose the weight he put on during japan touring or whatever) and ending up very skinny but showing jawline.
btw. there was a post about him seeing depressed in an ig post. was that real or a fake?
here they talk about taemins weight loss. for cb
doubt its ed, just industry standards being met.
But why should the industry standard be so much stricter for him than for all other idols? He makes even the skinniest girls look big next to him.
Plus farmers constantly worry that X female idols or Jungkook whose weight is completely within the normal range are anorexic, so I just wondered whether that might be the case for much more skelly Taemin too.
you didnt read what i wrote.
its not about a number on the scale.
its about visible facial features.
he genetically gains weight quickly in the face. in order to get a jawline (to look good for cbs etc.) he needs to go low.
he aint ana. he just adhering industry standards.
and this pic >>83505
must be more than just a few years ago. his body couldnt reach that/look like that. he has aged.
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beginning of first sperm tour he had a full face. he eats. he likes eating. but industry doesnt like big/fat faces. industry wants jawline.
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>>83515>he eats. he likes eating.
Said every stan about every idol ever. Doesn't matter that Taemin himself says that he doesn't. Also fillers are a thing (especially on him) and idols constantly lie about their "fat" faces to justify the fact that they're starving.
His arms are a bit better now, but overall not much. He's still much more skelly than thin female idols (or that idol trainee in this pic). He collaborated with Hara and Sunmi who are both know to be amongst the thinnest yet his legs were still skinnier than theirs.
If his weight is considered fine acoording to you, then so should be all other idols too and we never need to have the weight/ed discussion ever again.
i dont care about idols weight.
talking less about ed would be a plus.
for all idols its either: ed or confirming to industry standards. their face (and body) is their money maker anyway. so in the end…..why bother discussing it. i find the topic lacking milk.
>fillers are a thing
i find that topic way milkier. please continue.
I agree with you anon, but I do think taemin is one of the few idols that actually enjoys food when he gets it. (I do think he has fillers in that pic though)
do I think he has an eating disorder? yea, but I think it's also him trying to adhere to that weird androgynous body type he's working with rn. We know he's already bound to have a smaller frame because he's dances but I think his schtick (?) is what's keeping him so thin.
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Nah, those are/were 100% fillers.
got more pics or comparison?
that one looks as though it could be angle, lighting and makeup…..
(it does look ducky though…)
I actually think they don't look too plastic and I can appreciate them not being all skelly.
The song is better than their debut too.. but it's kind of obvious they're gonna be nugus forever
thats way worse and seems to be a something they're luring fans into
Make them believe the original members will stay, keep it for 2 comebacks, put new trainees into the unit
make the original members slowly leave then BOOM
Now they're goo goo gaga over the new trainees
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he has always had lips like that
Any new NCT units formed won't have the Dream name. The current members + Mark will be the only ones who will be listed as part of NCT Dream, but they can also be shuffled into other U-style units if needed. At least that's what I understood kek.
It's a mess regardless and absolutely nowhere near as efficient as the AKB system; if SM really had the balls they'd hold a Senbatsu and give center to whoever sold the most covers instead of shoving Markyong everywhere (Taeyong has lots of fans so he probably would still get center, but it'd be fun to watch Jaehyun/Ten/Renjun/Winwin's fandoms fight too)
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Anyways some milk on a new gen group member, Seo Woobin from Cravity>>83494
I saved this picture on the left a while ago, just incase it'd be buried, its when he just joined Starship ent and they started filleting his face so he'd fit beauty standards
Its sad how there are barely any natural faces on new gen idols despite them debuting so young.
Txt members also had hella plastic surgery but thats another post
but holy crap it shows how good some of those dr kims are.
im really curious how the aging is gonna go…
they seem to do more and more to their idols. tech is getting better and better…but skin is still skin….
please post the txt ones!
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txt is actually a case where they looked nice before debut
terrifies me what bighit did to them
atleast give them a natural job :/
they were only 16 ish when they debuted.
1 maybe nose
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yeah i looked at several pictures, beomgyu had his buccal fat removed, fillers for flat nose, eyelid surgery and aegyo sal, all that accompanied with extreme weight loss (he's 53kg at 170 ish)
Taehyun had braces and his teeth laminated, eyelid surgery, nose done especially around his nostrils, buccal fat removal as well (explains why they look gaunt)
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Guys, Nct Dream will disband… lmfao.
They'll disband after their comeback on the 29th.
I dont get anything, its giving me aneurysm.https://pann-choa.blogspot.com/2020/04/theqoo-nct-dream-after-new-promotion.html
Because LSM is also hellbent on pushing Markyong for whatever reason. AKB and Johnny's groups also have extremely popular members like Rino Sashihara, but even she hasn't always won center positions every year the way Taeyong has. Also they're not afraid to demote or bench members - the girl who shaved her head was pretty popular, but she got pushed to an obscure unit as punishment (fucked up thing to do imo) and had to work her way upwards again.
In NCT's case LSM would rather slit his own wrists than stop pushing Mark and Taeyong for one hot second; if he wants NCT to be a brand bigger than its members he needs to give other members a chance to do shit in songs and promos too
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I'm so confused. Who said that first part in the screenshot?
Well. I actually liked some Dream releases so this is actually disappointing.
I don't think so, I think it was some desperate kboo who actually fell for it.>>83451
I prefer this to the new GGs that are painfully trying too hard to do the badass girl crush concept. Not only are they being smart by moving from a fleeting male fanbase towards appealing to the female demographic, but they're also doing it in a respectable way, not resorting to the typical girl-crush or sexy-concept. Imo they're a success story among older groups who fail to keep the momentum & hype going surrounding new releases–whoever has designed their last three comebacks deserves a ginormous bonus.>>83461
I'm the original anon, FUCK YES I'm so happy. I'm not happy that they'll prob be in 127 or WayV from time to time but it's a smart decision because if they get moved to bigger sub-units they'll have hardly any lines. Though it kind of sucks that Mark is going to be in Dream again bc the other members finally got the chance to shine after he left.>>83486
It's only weird if you stan based on age (aka you're a pedo) or you expect to have a crush on the members. I don't 'stan' groups like that personally so I have no issue with being a casual fan of Dream. It's not weird to appreciate talent or music, and NCT Dream is the most listenable of all the subunits. I'm a fan of Shinee and they caught my eye initially because they remind me a lot of Shinee. NCT Dream is the only NCT subunit I have any faith in like >>83492
said. Every other unit has deadweight members and tragic releases.>>83490
How is the 'fixed' NCT Dream worse than a graduating unit? Kfans were already petitioning for them to be a fixed unit. The graduation system doesn't work in Korea, see: After School and Nine Muses who had so many lineup changes that their group promotions became obsolete.>>83494
Eh I feel like the number of fans for the kids who were on PD X 101 is going to outnumber the fanbase for the other members. That name is awful as well.
A slightly OT question but does it ever turn out that a group with members who were on a show like PD101/48, The Unit, etc gain fans for the members that were not on the show? I've only seen these groups (CIX, Weki Meki, gugudan, etc) regarded as "[famous trainee's] group" which seems like it works against the group as a whole.
I've learned not to trust 'dancers' who critique kpop groups on Youtube because the majority of them are kboos who teach themselves kpop dances and maybe go to the occasional hiphop workshop. I actually knew of a girl who went to some hiphop classes in Korea at 'famous' studios seen on Youtube; she was actually really good to watch but knew nothing about other dance styles or technique.
On the other hand, even if they are classically trained (10% chance that they are), I also grew up as a company dancer and I knew of girls who danced alongside me and made it to the pre-professional level despite not being pleasing to watch. IME some people that I trained with were technically dancers who had danced for a long time, were capable of difficult skills, but weren't good for whatever reason. They could do the same thing as this person, say that they made it to the pre-professional level, and convince you that they have the authority to decide who is a good dancer and who is not meanwhile they're not that great to watch themselves. Given that, I'd need to see this person dance before I consider their opinion as anything valuable.>>83550
How would Taeyong win center positions consistently though? From what I've seen of non-Pann comments, he has a terrible character and reputation in Korea.
isnt the japanese one just girls?
i dont see that concept working with guys.
there are many male rotational groups in jpop
they just dont apply an akb48 graduation thing.
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taeyong was tied with lucas and ten in superm's cover album sales, he definitely wouldn't win
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apparently the cravity kids copied, 3 exo MV's….
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that was early stage of buying.
see pic for sales
no name is in black is group album
I don't get why she (or bp in general) have so many female fans, that's not even normal aegyo anymore, she straight up talks and acts like an obnoxious retarded 5-year-old. What's appealing about this to teenage girls, wouldn't they prefer somebody who's actually funny but also a bit mature to look up to? She's by far not the among the prettiest idols either?>>83571
Everybody has heard this already.>>83573
Why would they think that nobody notices that?? Gravity is also an Exo song, their group name sounds like a mix between that and cavities, what a genius idea…
>>83564>How would Taeyong win center positions consistently though
That's what I'm saying, if SM really ran NCT like AKB he'd be shoved aside too. Center position wouldn't be a guaranteed thing for him like it is now. >>83573
The song was straight ass, what would they gain by doing this?
If NCT held a senbatsu the winner would basically always be one of the WayV or Chinese boys (probably Renjun or Ten, they're the most popular in China) due to sheer numbers.
Limit it to Korean votes either and I guess it'd be between Jaehyun, Taeyong and Jungwoo each time.
He's getting there, he's had magazine features every month for the past few months. Anyways his covers always sell out first in both korea and japan>>83579
welp whats hard to understand is….. why did they do this when no one asked
sorry nobody except nctfags understand this retarded concept
they asked for another fixed unit with the graduated members.
korean fans who are their target audience are really mad rn
nobody asked for them to stop Nct dream fully???? wtf.
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As far as I understood, this is their debut song? Meaning they started out today? Yet they already have crazy stans spamming their videos… Feels like kpop stans are getting worse and worse.
I read some of the comments regarding the mv issue and so many kpop fans are too dumb to understand why plagiarism is a bad thing>leave them alone, they just debuted
How old does a group need to be for others to be allowed to criticize them…?>nobody owns [insert whatever] concept>so what if they took X as inspiration
"Taking inspiration" without asking is simply a crime, it's not like in school there you can quickly copy your friend's homework, somebody put genuine effort into something to get paid, you can't just take that.
G-idle also very clearly copied but fans don't get the issue. Same with Momoland and that russian group back then.
anon, they are not stopping dream. stop relying on pannchoa's shitty translations, she routinely mistranslates stuff and this is another example of her getting shit werong.
dream will continue as a fixed rotational unit, which basically just means sometimes haechan and mark won't be involved in promotions because they'll be doing 127 stuff. that's it. that's all this means. it's not hard.
NCT Dream aren't disbanding, Pann-Choa just can't read Korean and is bad at translating.
People who actually can read Korean have already explained that all that is happening is Dream will be continuing with the original members and there will no longer be graduations, i.e exactly what the fans asked for.
>>83553>Every other unit has deadweight members
If you aren't "stanning" groups than why does it matter if they have deadweight members? If the music is consistently good (it isn't tho) than what difference does that make?
And lets not act like all the dreamies are extremely talented, they just work really well as a group.
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Ok conspiracy time for the crazy ones
Apparently, the face on the ball from ''cast away'' is under scrutiny from various conspiracy sites.
There is a theory involving that (warning)
Many high ranking politicans and celebs were involved in the skinning of a childs face, and they use the Wilson ball as a nudge towards each other like a ''joke''
There was a picture of Jay z, Ellen wearing the wilson face on a hoodie, some talk show host had the wilson ball face on his wall.
Now you might be thinking what it has to do with Kpop but…..
Lo and behold the intro to Woosung ''Face'' with the Wilson ball.
''I like your face, your red stained cherry lips''
Yall think KPop be into this shit? Theres a picture of LSM at a free mason thing (You can search it up easily) and the whole YG having underage prostitues…..
yah enough posting for today.
Stanning imo involves becoming interested in the personalities of the members. Not all of them are exceptionally individually talented but I appreciate the group and the cohesion they have as performers; I also prefer to look at a group with 5-6 members instead of however many 127 has. I don't think there's any exceptions to a group theoretically not 'needing' anyone beyond 7 members. Any number past that is redundant, not that there aren't deadweights in groups of 7 members and below. But generally deadweight members muddy the performance, can't sing/rap so they're unpleasant to listen to, and get camera time that could otherwise be utilized on the more talented members.
A good example of this is The Boyz, who I wanted to like because I think a handful of members are attractive and decently skilled, but the seven other members take up the majority of camera time and detract from the time that the potential-star members could have in songs/videos/variety/etc. I genuinely think this holds back a number of large groups and that a majority of the groups would be better off with seven members at most.
I've reduced LOONA down to five members before in a theoretically ideal line-up (though my opinion doesn't mean shit lmao) and I could probably do the same with The Boyz and other unnecessarily ginormous BGs as well. The only exception to the seven member rule might be Seventeen, but I don't know much about them.
SHES not even ugly you’re overreacting lol
Even if she was she still has a successful solo career and talent
Not many can say the same
Also Snsd is crumbling except for Yoona with her acting gig and China, Sunny is LSM niece she’s set for life and Tae
ok, enough of the repeat posts.
for next thread (in 700 posts) lets use that gif and make it a 'scammer is ourguy' edition
then its settled.
i thought that was a caucasian (left side) in the pic before reading your comment…….
is that the theme for the makeup?
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Jimin got a headache from (barely) stirring coffee and sugar… how anemic and weak is he? Lmao it reminds me when I was anorexic, even though he said in a recent Vlive that he is eating so much because muh Corona virus, pandemic, eat healthy!!!!
you that ban evading ratmy again?
the one that loves to talk about this jimin dude. go to spam thread.
? I'm not, why does it makes so many people mad that someone wants to talk about bts instead of ntc lmao it's not like they are some obscure nugu group, obviously there are a lot of anons who are interested in them.
Anyways back on topic, I don't know how he manages to pull out concerts when he is like this. He also said that he keeps on getting weaker and weaker every passing year… ok anachan.
Yeah cause at age 24 you get tired from whisking coffee and water
He’ll be in for a shock when he enlists then
Better blame it on “aging”
yeah…they are on ana diets and at are worked hard. (thats why idols are on fillers.it hides a sunken (mainly due to diet) face.)
aging sets in earlier.
I don't think it can be applied to every idol or every member on bts, clearly this is a specific problem with him and it seems to be the worst case in the whole group, RM who is older and has been on the same schedule and I guess the same diets, did the thing in 1-2 minutes and way faster.
Jimin was the most muscular member, now his legs and arms look like sticks, worse than suga's. He barely has any muscle now.>>83631
Lemme go back to where I came from
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For Loona: Kim Lip, Heejin, Hyunjin, Chuu, and then the last member is a toss up between Choerry/Jinsoul/Olivia Hye.
For The Boyz: Hyunjae, Younghoon, Juyeon, Juhaknyeon, Sangyeon.>>83606
Hyoyeon is under fire atm for putting her apartment double its initial valuation after she appeared on some show. Idk what she even does, I think she does some projects with SM the Station but that's it. Yuri hasn't been in a drama since 2018 and she had a solo over a year ago that literally nobody asked for. I have no idea what Sunny's doing but her face looks off to the point that I immediately thought "holy shit she has a whole new face".
Imo it's rare to see a celebrity truly 'retire' because the majority like the attention and aren't content with money like we assume. They want the fame to continue which is why so many of them become cringey past their career's prime.
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Sorry for the terrible screencap, this is what happens when you take a screenshot of an IG video on your computer. Here's a better view, it's sad that they've fucked with their faces so much. Sunny definitely had a buccal fat removal which took any charm she had away and now she looks like Raina of After School.
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She also had her nose done and did something to her eyes as well. Definitely had a jaw shave but that could have been the 'before' picture I used. Shame because I used to think she was so cute.
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Found this on AKP
Explain Wonhofags xx
No lol BoA is from SM
IU is from Loen.
Good videos, on white background and isolated like that the difference in talent is really easy to see, so nobody can really argue about the uploader just being biased. But all the comments I saw were only happy that Yuta got ranked high, nobody being salty…?
I wish they did Bts and were brave enough to put Ratmon and Jin in the F rank lol>>83657
Lol but I get why you thought that, since IU usually hangs with SM artists
I didn’t even realise this was sunny until your reply, christ.>>83596
idk about this tinfoil specifically but I swear there must be so much more dark shit like burning sun happening right under everyone’s kpoppie nose. Some of these idols are definitely getting sold to sponsors or something…
what is he doing?>>83695
i liked her pre dr kim look.
and i agree, in the west its the same. just check out LA. mega boobs, bimbo blonde etc. its a look. i call it the LA look
to get that 'model' look maybe?
see bella hadid. 'how to look mid 30s when you're in your 20s'
oh well, they all got the money to do whatever is necessary to age 'gracefully'
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To look more mature? I suspect Joy had this procedure done, even after weight loss post-Happiness she used to have a round full face until Peek-A-Boo era happened
Very interesting video, also nice to see that many fans at least seem to level-headed enough realize that they're also guilty of doing that or rather that they too feel victim to their marketing scheme. I tried to summarize it because it's very long.
"Why is Blackpink so popular although there's no music?"
>you get no personality content, personal questions are always very calculated, so how can you say you love the girls?
>individual members are promoted over the group, you never see them together -> actually genius marketing, super low effort
>they're not selling music or personality, but the ultimate self-insert fantasy
>theory: they never intended for BP to be a long lasting group, they instead cash in on the influencer wave by selling a fantasy: they're pretty, wear brands, party in luxurious places, don't sleep in usual idol dorms
>they have different archetypes and this business model only allows for one of each to be there
>Rose: indie girl who sings and plays guitar, raised in Australia, long blonde beach waves
>Jennie: Blair Waldorf fashionista with an attitude, some hate her but fans love her because of that (people get furious if you say she's not that fashionable because that would mean you take something very essential away from her)
>Jisoo: visual-next-door unlike the others she appeals to the korean audience
>interesting: many Blinks are also Ariana Grande fans and what is she known for? many impersonators
>they're the most popular thinspo atm, body image issues amongst fans
>explanation for the popularity of "Liskook": shipping is also part of self-insert-fantasies, but usually only within groups
>when it comes to BTS fanfics it's usually Jimin (because he's sm0l, loves to cry and starve) who serves as self insert for girls with Jk as the love interest, the latter's part is usually the bad boy turned good guy
>why is Lisa the best self-insert? she's a foreigner, more "relatable" because kpop stans also aren't the most popular in school, young girls are usually insecure about their looks and experiencing their glow up through Lisa, she's also quirky but people praise her for it. She's also badass and wears boyish clothes, she's not like the other girls, but she also does aegyo, meaning the best of all, she's every girl. Her real personality is very ambigious, she's clearly playing a character, never shares anything personal on instagram, no captions, lots of blank space to insert yourself into. Everything you know about her is that she loves dancing, the rest is up to your individual imagination. The girls don't follow anybody, not even each others, you don't find out anything about their actual personality or interest.
>But! by buying their product (often not music related), you can feel closer to them
>people love to complain about YG, but why would they change the strategy if fans keep supporting anyway?
An interesting comment:
>I’d argue that Jennies favouritism also gives a self insert aspect to Lisa. It gives a “mean girl” to Lisa’s “underdog”, even though Lisa’s the most popular member as long Jennie continues to be favoured it gives Lisa stans more to relate to.
Would explain why the favouritism is so extremely blatant and continues even after repeated critism.
Others also pointed out that Jennie stans love the idea of her only acting lazy because she's supposedly depressed - and the glorification of mental illnesses is a huge problem nowadays amongst many teens on the internet.
I would think that buccal fat removal isn't a thing in Korea because Koreans like soft faces/not-angular faces. People don't get cheekbone filler but rather filler into their cheeks–I've never had filler so don't ask me for any more detail than this. I'm shocked that Sunny even had buccal fat removal but she probably was trying to get a 'smaller' face overall bc she's so tiny.>>83700
It's a thing for people who want more angular faces but imo it's useless unless you have an angular face already. Baby-faced people have softer faces because it suits their natural facial harmony and procedures that go against that will fuck up your face.>>83720
This picture makes me sad because until now I'd forgotten how she was genuinely so cute and beaming with 'joy' (pun intended) when RV debuted. She suited the cute maknae role really well on stage; Yeri being added probably made her cute maknae act obsolete but Yeri definitely pales in comparison to the energy that Joy had in their debut.
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Lol jikook stans are delusional as always they refuse to see the reality that taekook is real unbothered, slaying, and thriving.
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I love 2NE1 but Bom is looks straight up like current Tana Mongeau here. :(((
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lmaoo today armys were mad because some fic writers decided to post about the members worst traits. they even created blocklists with everyone who joined the bandwagon.
no one is allowed to criticize bts or say anything negative about them. they're perfect beings and if you don't agree, armys are going to report you to bighit so they can sue you lmao. https://twitter.com/luvnamgis/status/1250429374957883392?s=19
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maybe that's why armys are mad
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when are stans going to understand that they never actually treated them as humans? they're either worshipped as gods that do no wrong and are honest with the way they're presented to the public or are reduced to their fans' fantasizes and seen as fanfic characters
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this is just plain weird, maybe if you simply enjoyed music you wouldn't be debating over feeling connected or disconnected to people you don't know? fuck companies that promote and encourage this alienation and fans that follow it like sheeps
i mean i personally think you have to be really pretentious to write lists like this about people you dont know and then excuse it with ' i was talking about their fictional personas not their actual personalities' without explicitly stating that in your original post
If the title had been 'how i like members to be portrayed in fic' or smth the backlash wouldnt have been there
idk self-proclaimed cynical psychoanalysts like this annoy me even more than delusional fangirls
if this was posted on here, no big deal
but claiming to stan someone and then continually picking their public personas apart and feeling superior to anyone falling for company propaganda
all while amassing their following by exploiting said manufactured romanticized image in their slash fic…not exactly what id call enlightened
Lmao what variety charisma does namjoon have; not even his fandom likes him let alone the average person. He's just remembered for his leader position and english fluency.
As a matter of fact Jimin doesn't have a good variety personality either. He fades into the background in Korean variety. And those cringey American hosts give him the spotlight just because their producers told them so; they're fed all the retarded inside jokes the fandom has like mochi and whatever.
Tldr; all bts suck at variety and fans remain dumb. Iaw >>83762
these type of fans trying to come off as sound and sensible are as – if not more – insufferable as the delulus
its always the 30+ crowd thinking they are so much more mature than the average fan because they stanned the bsb in the 90s and have gained insight into the industry shenanigans
but theyre still mouth breathing on twitter.com
Lmao are you really siding with the ratmies who need block lists because this triggered
them too much?
It's not like young fans admit that they like them for things other than their music either, you have preteens "analyzing" their every move, thinking their lyrics and mvs are truly deep shit and they'd of course never ever admit that they see their oppars as love interests…
All ratmies always act higher than thou yet think exactly the same "i like them for their music" but at the same time also "i get offended if anybody says they're not the soft babies i want them too be
my main issue i have with the tweets is the weird excuse of 'Im talking about their personas! Not their personalities!'
like if you criticize someone on your public account, stand by it
you cant run your mouth on twitter and then defend yourself by stating that youre only analyzing them as fictional characters, that doesnt make any sense since fictious persons can be molded after your own ideals anyway, e.g in fanfic
imagine ppl sperging about idols on here putting a disclaimer like *im not talking about them as a PERSON, but as as a CONCEPT kek
also blocklists are just an easy way to bully accounts you dislike by putting them on a list with the "actual offenders" even when they are not involved in the issue at hand
so enough twitterfagging, i'll see myself out
remember who it was?
please post link?
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I think it was this one, I would post a better picture but you need a subscription to actually read the article
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this part was the main cause for the outrage
saying he lacked intelligence for speaking broken english
there are many other reasons it's clear he lacks intelligence.
i saw this on twitter. the whole thing is hilariously cringe on both sides. armys never fail to deliver on the unintentional hilarity. the "i'm criticising their fictional characters" doesn't really fly when one of the criticisms is "knuckle tattoos" which the dude literally has in real life. i also think this debacle reinforces the fact that the widespread normalcy of publishing rpf in kpop fandom is unhealthy and just plain weird, but that ship has well sailed now and its not like they are ever going to stop.
as an aside, i hope kook continues getting the worst tattoos possibly so that judgemental armys heads eventually explode from cognitive dissonance. funny how people were always desperate for him to get tattoos to fit his image/persona/fantasy and then when he did, they were the "wrong" ones.
the best part of it all is the:
worst personality trait = knuckle tattoos
as though tattoos are a personality trait. topkek
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>>83810>looks and acts like an airhead
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Although I think YooA is stunning now (in my opinion), her transformation is absolutely insane. She needs to give her doctor's info to the rest of the kpop idols who have been botched.
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All this sperging about hyungwon & jimin apparently having gross fillers but yooa’s lips are just as bad
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To further add to my opinion that she doesn't look Korean at all. If I hadn't seen this picture and someone said that this is a Chinese actress, I would believe it, no question.
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yooa’s band mate is giving her a run for her money in the lip injections department. everyone looked good in this teaser except for mimi (who’s pictured). i think her hair looks great, but her lips and colored contacts don’t suit her imo
I noticed that too, it seemed like everyone else was natural for the most part up until now except for Yooa, but Mimi must have tagged along to the clinic with her. Hopefully Jiho and Arin don't get anything done.>>83819
Korean men react horribly to feminists which is why there are no openly feminist idols. It could be career suicide if an idol were to be revealed as a Megalia user for instance. Some have been in controversies for exhibiting suspicions of 'feminist' behavior–Naeun with her "Girls can do anything" phone case and Irene who read an extremely popular "feminist" book surrounding a Korean woman's depression and experiences with sexism (which has since been made into a movie because it was so popular). Jihyo was in a controversy used the term "oong aeng oong" a while back which is supposed to be the sound of a mosquito but recently feminists use it as a term for when men speak (lmfao). People who want to witch hunt assume her usage comes from the latter and now label her as a feminist, the same way that a celebrity might be haunted by some phrase they used that Ilbe users might say; an example is like if a man positively mentioned terms like "sexual market value" and "Jordan Peterson" you'd immediately recognize them as a member of the manosphere. But obviously being a feminist isn't as bad as being an ilbe user, esp considering how poorly women/girls are treated in SK–men are just so out of touch that women who want basic human rights and equal treatment seems like oppression to them.
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they used so much photoshop theyre not even human anymore..
Sulli was but between whatever was happening to her personally and the abuse Korean men gave her for calling out racism and sexism along with the lack of mental health care in Korea she's no longer with us. That's why many female idols try to hide their political views. >>83764
And speaking of variety skills the last groups I've seen that can do a variety show well are Exo and some of the members of Red Velvet and I don't think it's entirely the idols fault. Companies told idols to stop acting silly and to focus on being "pretty" instead. Sooyoung from SNSD got told to stop making fun of the one white lady who spoke Korean poorly on a TV show even though it was a popular gag to do back during I think the Oh era or the Gee one. It seems like companies are more strict with their idols behavior starting around 2014-15. NCT wouldn't have been glared at by their staff on V Live if it was like 2009ish rn.
That's a part of why Blackpink's and Oh My Girl and many other groups variety skills are summed up to "I'm cute". I can't see them doing what SNSD used to do like distorting their faces and putting on ugly make up for a laugh. The gag was that they were pretty but look how silly they can act/look.
Of course the personalities of recent idols also attribute to the lack of variety skills. Exo Showtime still makes me laugh and I haven't been into them in years.
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Definitely no icon but I think Seolhyun is a closet feminist. It makes sense after years of objectification as an idol who had a lot of pervy male fans.
I think the retreating of idols into VLive and Youtube bubbles for company-produced shows is a major factor; earlier idols appeared on TV shows watched by the general public like Star Golden Bell or Strong Heart and felt more free to mingle with fellow idols.
Now companies can just force a group into its own bubble on a Run BTS or Blackpink House, where they don't have to step up and improve their social/variety skills & can just stay in their cocoon shut off from the wider Korean variety show scene. It's why BTS seemed funny on their own shows or Bangtan Bombs but were total duds on Knowing Brothers where watchers aren't clued into fandom in-jokes.
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Im a moron and new to kpop and I feel in love with the cheeriness and peppy vibes of ITZY, but now I see they aren't that good, mainly just average honestly, do you guys have cheery energetic girl group recs?
Bboom Bboom also had such great vibes too but as far as im aware momoland just got worse afer it.
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Reverse search gave me this https://twitter.com/_jimintoday_/status/1250580099667070977
Seems to be a real add kek Did they run out of money?
Ten is not popular anywhere outside Thailand, and Renjun isn't terribly popular at all. Lucas is most popular in China but Jaehyun is by far the most popular in the group. If I had to guess the top 5 ranking I'd say
>>83857>It seems like companies are more strict with their idols behavior starting around 2014-15.
Which is interesting because imo companies in general became more lax in regards to looks, weight, training etc. I think that back then they simply assigned every idol a more individual "personality" than they do nowadays and had them practice that. There's an old SNSD interview in which they said that SM trainess have to come up with one new talent every single week, so that they do well in tv shows. They just focused a lot on that and it paid of because it gave idols the chance to shine individually and get their name out to the general public. For example Heechul would be a nobody if it wasn't for the dozens of variety shows he was in. I think the girls of RV are definitely not bad personality wise, but if you compare what SNSD, Suju etc did back then, to Irene saying her hobby is ironing…it's just a lot more boring. And like >>83866
said because of V live and Youtube they can still make money and keep the fandoms happy with much lower effort.
I hate the cutesy act of many idols nowadays, while girl crush concepts are absolutely trending, it seems that many of them took a step back, I haven't been able to finish a single BP video because their voices and fake shy/pure behavior is so grating. "Human Chanel" who supposedly dated an Exo member shouldn't giggle and hide behind her hands when somebody mentions kissing, that's just unrealistic.
A couple years back it was also considered normal and a-okay for female and male idols to be on shows together and to interact with each other in a friendly manner. Just imagine if a variety program put BTS and BP or Twice in one room…their fans would go beyond mad. Idols of different genders being friends became unheard of too.>>83860
That's because they're "ugly" and therefore them acting funny is seen as a cope. People only accepted SNSD and the other 2nd gen girls because they were pretty, ugly girls will get hate no matter how they behave.
they literally released a Skechers CF yesterday, plus Winwin had 2 individual CFs (for sunscreen and some makeup artist thing) and another lipstick one with Kun I think. Lucas also has some deal with Burberry which is why he went to Fashion Week last year
Just because you're not looking out for wayv doesn't mean they're not getting anything
He might be the most popular Dream member in China but no he isn't popular there in general. I think idols like Lay and Luhan created a stereotype that all Chinese idols grow these obscenely large fanbases in China out of thin air and Kpop fans buy it because they're ignorant to Cpop but it's not true. Taeyong and Mark have bigger Chinese fanbars and they don't even promote there.>>83895
And that's not much. They've only had about a dozen since debut counting all the individual members CFs. Also, as far as I can remember Winwin has only gotten one solo CF, the makeup CF was part of something all four members who weren't already with Carsian were in.
>>83900>implying follower counts are a reliable way to judge popularity>on a site so notorious for fake followers even government officials have gotten in trouble for it https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-life/fake-it-till-you-make-it-fake-followers-boost-chinese-celebs/article/3014536
There was nonstop infighting on Weibo for weeks because Winwin's fans bought fake followers when Lucas started gaining new ones from Keep Running lol. Cfans are insane, and buying votes and followers for your idols is very common over there, it's an open secret.
>Lucas has the most followers, followed by Ten and then Jaehyun.
Jaehyun made his account a month ago while Lucas and Ten have had theirs since October…
Taemin has less followers than both Ten and Lucas on Instagram, does that make him less relevant than them?
Who are the deadweight nct members to you?
Imo it's only Johnny, every other member has something to offer musically or dance-wise but him. I don't know why they gave him so many lines on their new album because his voice is cringy and monotone
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i like her and aoa so much. they seem truly kind and i like how they aren't awkward about some of their members leaving. they're one of the only groups who don't feel the need to show off their friendships but that makes their group dynamics seem much more genuine. not to mention them openly supporting feminism and lgbt. stan aoa anons
It looks like those female Jungkook edits armys be doing I’m actually crying
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Who are this people? They look exactly the same
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Their faces are distinct while their bodies are blurry. There is an app that does that & messes up with people's faces sometimes lmao.
Pretty sure that's what's happening there.
If the company's the one that used the app though it'd be sad.
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21 year old Heechul approaches you at a nightclub, what do you do?
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Hitomi looking dangerously skelly and of course all the insta comments are praising her "abs".
Abs are not literal crevice-line indentations in your stomach that are signs of physical deterioration and starvation. Incredibly sad for Hitomi.
imagine stanning a man who is into underage teenagers. The users here are more milky than the idols.
Dedicating a so called ''kpop critical'' thread where you sperg only about the same 1-2 groups and nitpick to hell while the idols you stan are literal garbage filled with shit.
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man his jaw just freaks me out
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They could’ve just used botox to make the muscles a bit smaller instead of sending him to Wendy’s surgeon. This kind of major jawbone reduction was way too drastic and now he will have to keep getting shit done to his face to stop it from sagging.
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he actually used to look like his brother which is crazy cause now they look so different
It’s a joke love.
Ur the only one sperging, atleast detect their sarcasm fool.
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i had to laugh
Omg right? I just rewatched Unpretty Rapstar 2 and thought it was so cute how the members were found in the audience supporting Jimin during semifinals.
Seolhyun could’ve gotten cocky with her popularity and being considered “Suzy’s rival” but I honestly think she seems so sweet and down to earth like the other members. >>83819
I have to add Jimin’s “I don’t wanna be a wilting flower, I’m a tree” on Queendom was so powerful and I think related to feminism but I don’t wanna tinfoil in a language I’m not native in. Again I’m not saying she’s an icon but I think about this a lot lol.
Sorry for the AOA sperg but they’re not mentioned here a lot and I love them
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Ratmys are so delusional when it comes to their oppars' plastic surgery. Remember when everybody joked that V must be Baekhyun's little brother? How come the latter still looks similar to his younger self while V got a completely new face? Your chin and jaw at 24 won't be thrice as wide as when you were 18-20 while your nose shrank, that's not how aging works (unless you lost or gained a significant amount of weight, which he didn't). It's not like he debuted as a child and is 50 now, he only went from late teens to early 20s. I don't understand why it's so important to fans that BTS are natural, can't they just be content with the way he looks, plastic or not?
i dont get why…???
what is it supposed to achieve?
Worst thing, he made himself known by calling himself the son of Baekhyun and Daehyun.
Calling “Baekhyun sunbaenim hurr durr” his mom and Daehyun his dad.
It was the most bizarre thing.
i know bts fans use the “they struggled sooo much” spiel over bts getting plagiarism controversies early in their career but they definitely tried clinging to other boygroups like bigbang and exo in the beginning, talking about looking like or wanting to be like members and using memes and challenges from those groups, one of their early youtube videos was them all singing taeyang’s eyes nose lips. it’s really not a big deal but it’s annoying that armys are too delusional in thinking it never happened, so any rookie group saying they admire bts or posting covers are just clout chasers to them. if another group posted a video all singing a bts song in stupid voices or being really dramatic they would have their career ended, but bts doing it to taeyang is cute and them being innocent fanboys
kpop fans in general talking about idols struggling is so dumb to me. i don’t mean the genuine abuse that goes on, i mean fans whining about “they didn’t start off popular!!” when within 3 years a group is doing arena or stadium shows. there are so many musicians who will never get any real recognition after 5+ years, but to kpop fans it’s heartbreaking if a group doesn’t win a meaningless trophy or get whole variety show segments to themselves after a year. not being popular is a dark past or a struggle to some of them, it’s laughable. it makes sense when they prioritise popularity over anything else but it still comes off as a fake sob story so you won’t criticise their poor oppas who had it so hard
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Oh, I didn't know that, I thought fans came up with it, but I found the source.
Ironic that nowadays ratmys say that calling Jin "mom" as a joke is hurtful, meanwhile V simply says it about his senior.
I've seen armys do this with several rookie groups. It doesn't matter that they covered other groups as well, they only need to even mention bts and they're called clout chasers.
But when it's txt randomly having bts members in their vlives and shit, it isn't an issue, it's just that bighit family bond uwu
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Looks a lot like this before/after pic of a Disney star that got jaw filler
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I remember that they had so many controversies and media play back then…
>Ikon's Bobby releasing a track and Rat claiming he's dissing him, all netizens say it's obvious that the song is not directed at him and that Rat is only trying to get clout.
>Rat winning a best rapper poll and even back then people said it's because ratmys are always spamming. But the ifans comments are all about how amazing BTS is - in 2014! Meaning their suffering and nugudom really didn't last long.
>Saejagi accusations because their sales exploded in just one night. http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/05/pann-bts-and-sajaegi-suspicions.html?m=1
>when winning against Exid V sang Big Bang's Loser and apologized by saying it's his fav song and that's why he sings it all the time>when Vixx won they tried to get screentime by making "funny" faces>at the Ladies Code memorial V sang and danced while the girls were close to tears
And when BTS won… >1. [+6,017, -1,843] Yes, next sajaegi>2. [+5,248, -1,343] Where are the digital points~~~~?>3. [+5,050, -1,345] Sure now show us your receipts~>4. [+4,139, -1,060] Congratulations on winning but please show us proof that your albums aren't sajaegi.>8. [+1,338, -282] Don't even know who they are but sajaegi>10. [+1,208, -364] Sajaegi BTS, show us your receipts!
Fast forward to Rat making grand speeches about some groups cheating while they win fairly…
Besides, they debuted in 2013 and just one year later already placed 3rd in most sold kpop albums of the year, beating out SNSD, JYJ and TVXQ. The "nobody came to our concert" story they always tell was probably their very first which is completely normal. Only BP and TXT were famous right from the start, other groups even from the big 3 also struggled in the beginning.
They basically did everything they now accuse others of doing.
I really don't see the resemblance between Daehyun and him. And he only looked like Baekhyun from like one angle that made his chin appear pointer and smaller. >>84007>at the Ladies Code memorial V sang and danced while the girls were close to tears
Did he? That's disgusting wtf makes me hate him even more
Speaking of plagiarising SM, their forcing TXT to interact with BTS in awkward vlives is such an obvious attempt to recreate the "SM Town" marketing.
Most SM artists generally are comfortable with each other (within the group is another issue, but as a whole SM groups get along with other SM groups) which further attracts company stans & Big Hit wants that slice for themselves too
Sadly most armys only pity stan TXT and they have very little public recognition so BH is stuck because they can't mediaplay interactions between two successful "brother" groups
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This is fucking horrifying.
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I was curious too, so I looked it up. It basically isn't true. It's from a random post on allkpop. Apparently Sistar won MCountdown the day after Ladies' Code's accident and he was just stupidly congratulating them. It wasn't a memorial or anything like that, no one was crying, he wasn't even really singing or dancing, just jumping like a retard. It was the day after the accident, so there is that.
The Loser thing was a much bigger scandal, which should tell you something.
I remember this show and the attitude was definitely very solemn, so this was pretty inappropriate.
Nowhere near the same thing as dancing around at a memorial though.
The "BTS got accused of sajaegi!" shit is so dumb honestly. Literally any group that wasn't SM or YG got accused of sajaegi around that time. Off the top of my head I remember it happening to SISTAR (multiple times), Infinite, Teen Top (multiple times), VIXX, B1A4 and Block B.
SISTAR got way more and way harsher accusations than BTS ever did.
Fromis_9's best song is DKDK though
To the original anon >>83881
If you like ITZY or any girl crush group you're best off going back to the OGs of the concept aka the original "ugly" BlackPink, 2NE1. 2NE1 has the best catalogue of upbeat, catchy songs imo, but they might sound a bit dated/obnoxious if you're not above the age of 15 and/or familiar with late 2000s/early 2010s pop music. I also like f(x) for upbeat electropop.>>83902
I'm not a fan so I'm not biased towards one member nor am I super familiar with them. But from my observations, U is rotational I think, but Dream is fine, best lineup is the current one with Haechan and no Mark. Haechan should be kept in Dream imo.
That only leaves 127 to judge, and my opinion is that a number of the members are literal eyesores so much that their 'talent' does not make up for it. See: Taeil (good singer, awful dancer), Mark, Jungwoo (even though he's supposedly a visual?). Yuta might be included but I think his dancing is one of the best in the group and his singing is decent enough, and his face can be rescued with some revision work. Then you have Johnny who is just there (aka untalented, no purpose) so he gets the axe. Lastly, huge controversial opinion but Taeyong should be eliminated as his past of bullying and scamming reflects a huge character issue that harms the group. That leaves: Jaehyun and Yuta (
only maybe after surgery), then Doyoung (I suppose but he's also a horrible dancer and kind of freaky looking as seen in >>83946
So that means NCT needs to be filled in with at least 2 to 3 members. This isn't that bad because SM should have access to packed global auditions where they can find guys who have visuals and then hone their vocal skills. But since this is what NCT looks like, clearly that ain't working. SM's best bet is to beg that guy at Cre.ker Ent to come back and promise him a bonus and a raise so that they can scout and train actual visual members. I refuse to believe that tiny ass Taeyong is the best 'visual' of this generation; they can do better. LSM just has some weird obsession with him and Mark (who is ugly as sin and is a living, breathing contradiction of LSM's past quotes about visuals and 'pretty kids').>>83903>>83905
It's because this thread is full of NCTfags. How is NCT 127 even so popular that we have a number of obvious NCT fags? They're ugly af for the most part and the only actual visual member is a manlet. And NCTfags–don't respond like "b-b-but Jaehyun!!" because that side profile is wretched and you know it.>>83929
Shinee is and has been over tbh–love them but we're better off accepting the truth.>>83995
Jaw shaves can look good on some people like Hyoyeon and Jessica but non-Asian tourists who go to Korea need to stop w them.>>84003
I was an ARMY back then (for like a year) and fans did come up with it, but he used it to clout chase afterward.
he lusts after underage teenies just like some of his sj compadres. he has been filmed doing this.
stop your cope.
this is total crap.
…..that someone even bothered……
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Did the bone structure of Taehyung's nose magically undergo a complete transformation too? I wasn't aware turning 24 could transform a wide bulbous nose tip to a small pointy one.
He's had work done. It's very obvious.
no way, mandibles grow in your early 20s enough to change your face, and noses shrink. everyone knows this! and eyes sometimes enlarge!
not to mention that cheeks become even puffier (while overall bodyfat is reduced). its the salt! its definitely not fillers. that this happens mostly to south korean idols and they live in the country with the most plastic surgery is totally coincidental. correlation doesnt mean causation.
both baekhyun and v got shit done like everyone else in the k-entertaiment industry, end of discussion>>84031
heechul is definetly a pos that thirsted over 15 years old sohee (also didnt sunny say he made gay rumors about himself to get closer to female idols or was this a fever dream of mine?) but wtf, anon
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Nah Mark shouldn’t be eliminated. He’s SM’s best case right now: good dancer, rapper, decent singer, untainted reputation, english speaker. He’s not ugly at all. No top tier visual but at least his face is characteristic (big eyes juxta chiseled cheeks, you don’t see that often in kpop males rn) But they should really stop giving him weird bleach hair colors and light pink foundation
love western pics. shows just how filtered asian ones are.
mustachio needs thicker eyebrows drawn….
horribly written anon
you need to cite claims you make to academic sources, and you also need to rely less on rumor posting
biggest flaw are the serious gaps in logic you make and your fundamental misunderstanding of the word pedophile, as well as the word grooming
His skin looks really good tho?
I wish he tried gaining a bit weight, his cheeks always look way too sunken in for such a young guy
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I think it’s just how his face/facial bone structure is? He seems to have always been at a normal weight
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the skin blurring that goes into kpop vlogs is fucking embarrassing. they all have it too.
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his nose looks the same
lol they are both millenials
gen y starts in early 80s ends in mid/late 90s
dont even want to read further after that
The “everyone got accused” argument is dumb because there was clearly an influx of sajaegi in the industry around that time.
Some big ones just didn’t get caught and those who didn’t got huge flack.http://netizenbuzz.blogspot.com/2015/10/gary-touches-on-issues-of-sajaegi-and.html
lmao, i love how jk's is just the knuckle tattoos.>>83845
they look so bad… they used so much photoshop but they look quite old and it's just not doing them any favors. only v looks semi presentable….
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They're so delusional, absolutely mental. One comment also said "Your ribs showing is actually healthy"???
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Jb fucked up his hair. Btw i hate how some fans treat their idols like "uwu baby, he/she baby",it's so annoying. Bambam said today he saw some negative comments about his new hair and a bunch of fans be like "oh poor baby don't send him hate comments pls".
taken from a made up list in 2014 where jin was 22 and the list stated he would date 2002 liners- aka 12 year olds
so romeo wore an ape drape?
thats news to me….
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i figured out why naeun gets to keep her black hair.
she has a large head and other colours will emphasize a bobblehead.
what i dont get yet is why she keeps proclaiming to be into 'manly men'.
can anyone solve this?
they're not allowed to on bon voyage bc they're technically working. >>84135
Honestly, I think they just can't stand seeing non-asians in kpop.
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It's weird how SM couldn't get more decent trainees so they didn't have to shove Mark around the units. I really don't understand it since SM is popular and you'd think they have a lot to choose from.
JB just wants to look as ugliest as possible. He's willingly pushing away his stans.>>84120
She looks like Michael Jackson here wtf. She was so cute in WGM
Their intention was never to make Nct famous from the get go.
I guess the original members are supposed to be a test version for them.
To see what fans like.
Wonder if any of the Nct members slept around with sponsor since they aren’t that famous they must have some loose money outside of Nct promotions?
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Lol no, she’s pretty in every hair color
I mean before she got a nose job to look like Haneul Lee lmfao
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I assume Yuta does nowadays.>>84146
Aside from the race component (bc Lana is half Korean), they're more jealous of a girl because she could potentially come in contact with their biases and ruin their self-insert fantasies. Tbh it'd be hilarious if Lana did actually meet male idols and exposed their thirsty asses because a number of Korean men will become absolute animals around foreign women.
They’re so confident it’s embarrassing
(Can’t find the OG YouTube link sorry guys)
Alex got called racial slurs and was made fun of by jealous international fans. Articles created for pr don't count.I don't understand why some of you want this narrative that everyone is ~uwu jelly of the pretty white girl in Korea~. There's some fans using her as a self insert, some fans are jealous, some fans think she's just ugly and other people are neutral. Same for Alex. This thread gets super race bait-y whenever Lana is mentioned.And it's weird cause Lana isn't even popular in Korea so I don't understand this weird projection when it comes to this girl.
Sometimes it sounds like the people who self insert want everyone to be jealous of her to further the fantasy.
umm no, she looks terrible in that pic despite a ton of filters.
is that pic before or after nosejob? i cant tell
if she is in the industry she wouldnt 'expose' people from it.
those guys have more than enough foreigners fawning over them to care.
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Are you jealous or what?
The delusion and nitpicking is real
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they look just as bad as this photo posted on one of the company's official instagram though…
Yep, new KPOP stans are really in denial when they say Alex didn’t get racism online
Not from Knetz, most Knetz were like “Why is someone as pretty, yadayada as her trying to make it in Korea’s horrible idol industry” but she got shit tons from dumb I Netz
Not saying Lana deserves it, but like…. wasn’t she saying how she purposely made her eyes more asians but slanting them for photos?
Girlie has some serious Koreaboo issues
Tbh I thought YooA was Chinese/Taiwanese when I first saw her and I was surprised to find out she's Korean. She doesn't look very Korean imo.>>84110
I don't think she speaks Mandarin. She's a koreaboo who's hyperfixated on making it in kpop, so why would she know Chinese?
I've always had such a soft spot for her and Seolhyun. Both are so pretty and sweet (without being annoying), never had any scandals (Naeun never dated in 9 years since she debuted) besides falling for a predator like Zico or getting death threads because they did something slightly feminist (imo Seolhyun definitely is tho lol). They would have deserved being in a group like RV with nice concepts and many female fans and not being lusted after by "uncles" before they even turned 18…
And I think Naeun still looks pretty (a lot fresher and younger than your average male idol her age who debuted that long ago). You have to keep in mind that the makeup style for idols completely changed, back then during "We got married" they were allowed to be a lot more natural and tan, now they're stark white with red lips, of course she's bound to look different.>>84135
The argument of non-Korean East Asian or SEA idols being a-okay but not non-Asians (or halfus like Somi) because "kpop is for Asia" is flawed since kids in Korea or other Asian countries don't need Asian representation because most people in their countries are Asian anyways. Nearly everything they see on tv is Korean, there are hardly any country there natives have so much representation. The people complaining about this and hating on that Russian girl are Asian Americans who probably have no idea how living in Asia even is like. They're only bitter because they think they "deserve" being an idol and meeting their favs more than her. Besides, if Asians are allowed, then what about people from e.g. India or Israel? They look probably even more white than Lana but hey at least they're fully Asian? If you say this they usually claim they meant only East Asians. So what about Thai idols like Bambam or Lisa?
The idea that different Asian countries are somehow an unity who all share the same/a similar culture is actually more racist… Most Koreans dislike other Asians but tolerate Japanese, Chinese, Korean American or Thai idols because at least they look somehwat similar (the latter only if they bleach their skin), that's literally it, there's no deep connection between them because all Asians gotta stick together or some shit lol. If anything, people from eastern Russia probably share more similiar values etc with Korea that somebody who looks the part but grew up in the US.
>>84201>never dated in 9 year
oh lord, are you one of those delulus that believes that?
she has been with plenty guys.
APink has a rep as the girlgroup that gets around. probably the most vocal reputation in this cause it goes against their sweet and innocent concept.>fresh and young
she and jennie give similar vibes
naeun just plays up the innocent part more.
She never publicly dated or had any other scandal, you dumbass. Compared to your BTS oppars or whatever who manage to fuck up multiple times per year that's definitely a feat considering that her group has been around for nearly a decade. >she has been with plenty guys. APink has a rep as the girlgroup that gets around.
And you know that because…? When they debuted all but one of them were underage, how about we don't assume that all female idols must be secret sluts when they've never done anything to provoke that accusation?
Maybe some Apink members are in a relationship but they're smart enough to date quietly, they've never been in the news for being rude or doing saejagi or anything negative, their biggest crime is an unlucky nose job, there's hardly any group less deserving of such criticism than them.
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I say it again, there's no way that Johnny is born in 95, that's not how a 25yo asian looks like. The only somewhat goodlooking member is Jaehyun, the rest looks tragic with and without makeup. I don't get why they don't just use a filter or slap on some foundation, is that really so difficult for men?>Jaehyun has great skin tho
I was waiting for his skin care routine but apperantly its all genetic, he doesn't do anything.
>>84225>>84228>looking bit rough there
i dont see it, they look like normal mid 20s (with good skin or good skincare)
this isnt shot making it look natural(got some blur), res isnt high enough for that…still, even irl they ll look normal and not 'tragic'.
maybe your standards are too high? humans will be humans. or maybe you have been believing the filtered images too much?
>>84201>never had any scandals besides falling for a predator like Zico
Really though, I’m still so pissed it had to be golden phone headass Zico. Idek what she saw in him. Ik it’s not my business but she racked up all that criticism over him.
I also love Naeun and am impressed by Apink’s durability in the industry, I think we have similar taste
Ok maybe they're not that rough but the video definitely shows how ugly most of them are >>84228
Johnny, Taeil, Yuta, and Jungwoo are such eyesores
They're just ugly, filter or no filter
NTA but Apink has quite the reputation for the opposite. They’re known as the longest running group to never get into dating scandals. The only dating scandal that did happen with the group is that one with 1 girl and an X1 member that was BS, and that other scandal where they apparently played LOL or something with the Exo members when it was proven to be a streamer.
Where’d you get the notion that they’re supposedly known for dating around?
91 liners were allowed to postpone until this year since the law was set last year.
Jin will definitely not be able to promote overseas this year and he will enlist the latest June next year.
I've seen dumb armies say he can postpone his enlistment until 2022 but it's not ttrue lol.
Even Suga will have to enlist next year.
I think Exo will do fine with solo activities
Once Xiumin is back this year he will probably continue with some musical auditions, Kyungsoo will be released December but he only enlisted for his acting career, so he could film the AWTG film series.
The remaining members not enlisting (excluding Lay) this year will go on and do a temporary sub unit I hope (the SKY unit please lol).
I think Exo is past having to continue to do 9 member promotions.
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I came across this pic of G-IDLE's Soojin and almost didn't recognize her. She looks so much better with less heavy makeup and plumped up lips. Unfortunately I feel that she's being turned into another Hyuna, and is continuing to go towards the direction of trying to look sexier even if it doesn't suit her.
Exo's fanbase is also more spread out, while BTS's fanbase overwhelmingly favors the youngest three. Exo has Baekhyun, Chanyeol, Kai, Lay and D.O who all have very big, enthusiastic fanbases, so they can afford to promote without a few members. But BTS's fans basically favor Jimin, JK or V, and it's very obvious. They should be OK while the other four enlist, but when it's time for the youngest three to enlist they're going to be in trouble, assuming BTS haven't already fucked up by that point.
they look like normal mid 20s guys.
who ever said idols were pretty?
its just hyped up with the vast majority.
its well known.
i am the anon that has posted in older threads about heechul and taemin being well known playboys while others were actually arguing that they were gay.
talk with some industry people. apink having plenty lovers is not a secret in those circles. girls talk ALOT. please dont tell me you actually only go with what discord or the occasional angry fan burps up?
its such an open 'secret' there was at least one blind about them.
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Was checking out the #ShallonLesterIsOverParty (crazy bitch is finally getting exposed) and saw this bullshit in one of the top posts. Who's "our" lol? Soft/pretty boys were always around in pop culture till about two decades ago and it's finally making a comeback due to numerous factors
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Imagine Jin in the military…. he won’t survive lbr probably goona do public service
I would too tbh
damn this is tragic, she's only 18
her body is ana chan tier, im suprised (and glad) that kpop stans arent acting like the usual retards
If I was a Korean man I would 100% go for public service
I would lie about being depressed if I had too
It was about a year after Dream's debut if I remember correctly. A fansite got upset and leaked DMs he'd shared with her after he sent another fansite presents. There was stuff with him saying he didn't like Taeyong in the DMs, him flirting, telling her his schedules, and so on.
Then a bunch of other fansites and a few sasaengs got angry because he'd been fucking around with them too and telling them it was just them. Someone released recordings of phone conversations she'd had with him and though the actual conversations were pretty boring it was definitely his voice.
Lol my ass he will
I bet these guys will postpone it til they cant no more.
There are many idols that have gone public service and kept their image
No doubt they would do anything for a easier service and Armys would defend it cause "muh South Korea number 1 boy group!1!1"
Jin, RM and Jhope will probs be the ones serving well
It's Doyoung that tells sasaengs off. Sasaengs got really mad at him a while ago for spotting them waiting outside (for Mark, I think) and going back inside to snitch on them to the manager.
Yuta apparently swears at sasaengs and flips them off pretty often too.
Sm needs to stop their obsession with Nct.
They already ruined it when they turned 127 the SEOUL TEAM into some fucking stupid Bts wannabe group.
They are 5 years into their debut. Shit like this wont work in Korea … they shouldve targeted Nct in other Asian countries and atleast made a sub label for them because their stupid promos are messing w other SM artists
Cant believe Sm's 20 year old reign was ruined by Bully & company
Have people all of a sudden forgot the English songs Soshi had and JYPs fixed obsession towards the US which led G Soul to train for 15 years for an overseas debut
Ppl think it just started w Bts
Gee and Nobody had a weird niche success in the states as well
I'm from Europe and Kpop was deffo a thing around 2010 until it faded
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Jhope's sister is quite pretty so how tf did he end up being so ugly.
It's definitely gotten worse lately. There's a difference between giving a group an english song and sending Baekhyun, Taemin and Kai to basically debut in the US despite not knowing a lick of english. Chances are that SNSD's korean fans also listened to that english song, that's not a lot of effort, the Sperm debacle on the other hand… Monsta X interviews/performances are also hard to watch, it's obvious that they're only seen a second, less successful BTS. And Red Velvet in their cutesy uniforms in the US… lol just weird.
I don't get why LSM didn't just go the same route with NCT as he did with EXO: japanese fans are so loyal and China has endless money, cater to them instead of America. By saying WayV is the chinese NCT subgroup they basically blocked all the other members from having a legit career and earning money there.>>84406
Creepy af eyes, the same filler stuffed cheeks as him and a piggy nose…? I don't even want to know how she looks like unfiltered.
I’ve been enjoying SM’s downfall to be honest. Watching them push NCT so hard just to see them fail every time and not even win music shows is so satisfying. SM is a terrible company who mistreated SNSD and fucked over exo.
I feel like SM has really missed the boat over the last four or five years. Twice, Blackpink and BTS have been enjoying massive success both domestically and internationally while SM is scrambling in the background to get some action. Yeah Red Velvet is popular but not like Twice or Blackpink.
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On the one hand I agree but I also doubt that they'll ever change the way they treat them. If anything, if SM goes down completely they'll take the idols with them.
Remember when Taeyeon started crying because she was groped on the airport due to no bodyguards? Meanwhile NCT has probably more security than members… https://twitter.com/ngocanhle258/status/1215897399316475904
This always makes me wonder how rich/influential nowadays idols' parents really are.
Lately I read somewhere something about Exo fans only being annoying because they really never get anything and thinking about it, that's so true. The only variety show they're sometimes on is Knowing Bros and their own show was 7(!) years ago. And then you see that all NCT subgroups constantly upload vlogs, have interviews in the US etc. Baekhyun even made his own yt channel (filming himself this his phone…) but because unlike for NCT this is not included in his schedule, so he hardly gets time to do that on top of solo stuff, Exo and Sperm. They might joke about NCT getting treated better but I'm sure that they actually feel quite bitter about it. It's no surprise that BTS fanbase is so big if they get content nearly on the daily and
excessive promotions. Especially teens who could potentially become new fans really want stuff like lots of selfies or personal videos.
I don't really know that much about RV but if Twice has so many comebacks every single year on top of hardcore pandering to male fans, of course they stand no chance. And while BP wore only the most expensive brands since predebut, attracting lots of little girls, Wendy has to walk around wearing a carpet…
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Is Itzy considered to be a successful rookie group? I’m curious how they’re doing as the successor to Twice’s smashing popularity. Their videos are popular on YouTube and stuff but are they actually selling well, developing a fandom, making a good place for themselves in the industry etc?
honestly i’m pretty sure most of these idol’s parents own a few buildings or are successful doctors and not ultra rich. what type of rich person would allow a company to make their child to wear a bright green bag as clothes and have no body guards.
if sm cashed in on the interest i got a boy and call me maybe had, snsd and exo would have stronger western presence and exo couldve possibly blocked bts from gaining many international fans. nct has no hits that stuck with the gp meanwhile exo and shinee we’re making double their numbers in their second years after debut. if lee soo man wanted an akb that bad, they should’ve turned nct 127 into korea only and made a whole new american unit that had native speakers and mixed koreans. >>84442
i feel like jyp buys bots for their music videos and do a little sajaegi or however you spell it, but for the most part they are doing well. twice didn’t make it huge until cheer up and tt, so itzy is doing amazing with icy and wannabe sales. i just wished they knew how to sing, then they’d be the whole package lol
Then again SM idols have more longevity with their talent and GP popularity.
I think that's better than being a flash in the pan "nations group" that gets replaced every generation.
They let the reins loose once they are out of Korea.
Goes without saying: YG idols are the biggest sluts. Yes, that does include BP. Especially Jenny.
Then what follows is the rest of companies. The majority sleep around a lot. A LOT. The boys more than the gals. Mostly cause the boys sleep with their groupies and I have not heard that from the gals. I am not talking about the screaming groupies you see on TV. It is the star fuckers. If they are famous, they will be sought after. Quite a few are models.
Take exo: no surprise here, Chanyeol is famous. Baekhyun doesnt mind getting hands on. Sehun has mixed rumors. Some are saying he might not be exclusive to men. I am using the word rumors here as I have not heard of first hand confirmation. The rest is confirmed.
Suho is a total sweetheart and his manners are more refined. Xiumin is famous too, gets around.
What has been said in ex-idols vid, the thing about it being a zoo is true. They have sex with many other people, often industry related. Most are one time hook ups. The part of them having multiple girlfriends and sometimes boyfriends is also true. Some, very few, have recurring hookups in certain cities. Others screw someone new each time they are in a city for a concert.
Having no layover time and a tight schedule, they use blacked out Escalades to screw in. Go to LA, the need for black Escalades for Kpop boygroups is well known in the industry circle. Being exclusive with their current girlfriend is not a common sight.
for enough money everything can work out in the companies favor.
Be very critical of such incidents. They are ore likely true than false. Most things never see the light of day. Saseangs have the list of fuck buddies the idols have. Most will never be posted.
it says in what I wrote>>84448
Sluttiest is always a bit open to definition and can vary. From what I heard I would say Chanyeol and Suga.
Are you the same anon from another thread that said Taemin had a thing for foreign groupies and the milk was from an old tumblr page filled with lies lol
Get Outttttt I beg lol
The Korean industry is dirty but what you're saying isnt true. Well to some extent ofc but.
Atleast spill real milk
Dont come in here with fanfic material
Lee Joon said that.
He said the Korean industry is an "animal kingdom"
Think it's on Netizenbuzz
So who's NOT a slut? Or is sluttiness pretty much guaranteed when you put male idols and easy stalker pussy together (unless the idol's gay I guess)?
How about idols with weird tastes? You always get Western celebrities with weird shit like they can only get off if two women are taking a dump on them or something so I assume there must be idols with weird shit like that too.
I know Suho isnt
He seems pretty thirsty and shit but he is pretty religious
Also Exo members seem like the few idols who dont sleep around except for a select 2 members
Probably because they dont need sponsorships and stuff in exchange for selling their body.
Jay Park. The ex JYP rapper. Heard he is a creep and has no bed skills.
Obviously Seungri is a creep too and has no bed skills.
I cannot remember any fetishes at the moment. I have not heard about the sort of wild stuff western celebs get into, sorry.
From the groups and names I mentioned I would say Suho is the least slutty one. I heard DO and Chen are not as bad as the rest either.
Dont wanna go OT but no
Fornication (sex outside of marriage) is a violation of the 3rd precept of the 5 precepts
Some say sex outside of marriage is ok but casual sex isnt idk
Suho doesnt seem like a religious nut tbh so he is probably not a virgin but deffo not like Chanyeol sleeping around lol
not the same anon but i've heard from both korean friends and western friends who live in korea that a lot of sm and yg dudes will basically have sugar babies on call. they keep them hooked up with gifts and in return the girls keep their mouths shut, since the money they'd get from telling dispatch wouldn't be anywhere near as good.
apparently it's not uncommon for these girls to be non-koreans (of all nationalities but a friend said eastern european's pretty common since a lot of eastern european girls in korea are in the sex trade anyway) since it means their korean won't be as good and running their mouth to the press will be that little bit harder.
I can confirm this.
Some also have sugar babies abroad. Those are the regular hook-ups when touring. At least for that specific city the girl lives in.
I am that anon: >>84446
Wow this is so tmi but I would never be able to fuck a celebrity/idol. To be real (regarding men) most of them probably have poor bed skills due to selfishness/not having to put in effort and all of them have bloated egos. The people who sleep with them probably don’t get anything out of it unless they’re the type >>84466
that just get a kick out of star fucking. Then again I’m also not a casual sex person…
Chinese Exo line?
There are only 3 Exo M members left
And 2 of them are no longer promoting in China and have relationships wo who are you talking about?
Former members? I can see Kris doing that shit.
job comes with a lot of stress.
One way some try to handle it is with sex.>poor bed skills
Most guys bed skills are nothing to report home to. Some have managed to get a good reputation but you never know if a girl gave the guy a good review because she is a fan or not.
nothing juicy, they said most of the big bang guys were regulars in clubs and had several girls on the side but that's not really a surprise or even news i guess.
i know a girl who took korean classes with some some cube trainee who was on produce (neither of us watch produce so i couldn't tell you which one it was other than that obviously he wasn't korean, sorry) who apparently said next to nothing all semester and then asked her out at the end even though she'd never spoken to him. she said no though so it's not a very interesting story. i guess the only semi-interesting bit is that she's pretty sure she was at least five or six years older than him because he was in his teens.
Lol you have to be JOKING
Lai Guanlin learnt Korean from a private tutor
Atleast make it believable.
Basically go with: Are they Chinese? Yes? Then they are being asked out by rich Chinese girls.Irrelevant if Exo or another group. Exo has been the most targeted though, due to their popularity in China. >They are no longer promoting in China
I have little patience for this. Please use your brain. These girls are loaded and are free to spend as they wish. Such time is also spent as holidays, whenever they please, in Korea. >Kris
ALL of the Chinese Exo line
The Chinese line all left 6 years ago except Lay.
Stop being retards and if you're gonna spill fake shit here make it believable.
Only Lay promotes in China
And Chen + Xiumin are both clean plus in long term relationships.
I am that anon: >>84446
The noona fetish is a real thing for more than just the occasional idol. >>84457
Sorry, forgot about that. Talking about dumping on someone made me discard it.
Closest I have heard is that Kai likes celebrities. I have not heard of any political figures.
That trainees and idols can/are sold off is true. I don't have names.
In that video of Taemin with those foreign girls he couldn't talk to them at all without Hara's help. The things they said while with Sperm are all rehearsed, same for BTS talking bits during concerts. "I love you fans!" does not equal being able to hold a conversation.
Seriously all of you bitches are thirsty af. Somebody claims that idols are willing to fuck around and you immediately jump on it. How would anon know? Sehun being into women and Suho not being a stuck up prude is only wishful thinking on your part. BTS can likely fuck around when overseas but they'll only choose models or discreet expensive prostitutes.
Ok for RV
Yeri has a thing for more masculine rapper guys. She went on several dates with Yang Hongwon. She doesnt like idol guys and she tries hella hard to be edgy and different. Shes rude when she is around her close friends and a queen B. Other members rarely get into it so theres not much on them other than what's common knowledge.
But expect a scandal soon.
Doyoung is a huge dick and is dating Taeyeon. Hes a try hard. Taeyong is really disliked by many idols and that's why he has this weird "awkward cutie" persona. But he is quite reckless BTS.
Haechan tries to get with nugu idols his age but fails because of his looks.
Jeno is really bitchy towards WayV members and acts like hes superior from other Nct members.
Jaehyun is really desperate to flaunt his friendship with top tier idols and really into his looks. Some might call him self absorbed.
Alot of them are disliked BTS.
This is common knowledge from insider Twitter.
Pretty lighthearted though. I'm not into industry secrets
It was mentioned that Red Velvet members are dating rich business men. No idea who and how many.
NCT: Not really. Taeyang, Doyoung and one other struck my friend as dumbass juveniles.The one other I cannot remember, it was not Mark.
Nicest down to earth groups were named as Ateez and Monster X.
I am that anon:>>84446
It's easy to debunk because this shit has been debunked over and over
No one is saying that they dont fuck around
We know they do
But these claims of "I know so and so and they told me this happened and that so and so management gets him groupies" like??
Two anons got caught in a lie rn
Yall need to stop this fake rumor spreading that's been on the net for 7 years.
Dont say your spilling milk and come here with shit that's been on "Kpopsecrets" retarded ass tumblr blog
The fact that a twitterfag like >>84446
got you guys believing a rumor from 3 threads ago that got rehashed from Kpopsecrets
I am that anon:>>84446
The opposite is reported. Enough for me to say it is legit.
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So ugly, she can't even model anymore… Who thought this was a good idea?
He went to a performing arts school right?
Yeah most idols dont even attend school. They just come for entrance ceremonies, graduation and pictures.
Cause it is lol
If yall want to find out about gossip be it fake or not just go to old AKP threads.
Or go on the side of Twitter filled with unhinged Korean sasaengs
You fake tea spilling anons should at least try to make your rumors sound more believable. You're better off finding an audience for your fanfics on Wattpad.>>84505
She's lucky to be well-off with industry connections. No doubt that's helped her become a model over much more glamorous-looking Asian girls.>>84509
It's honestly wild to me how different they all look compared to a lot of other groups/girls who all have the same plastic surgery and the only difference is styling or hair colour. Though it's more noticeable among boy groups imo.
I've been looking at a lot more 'rookie' groups and it's such a noticeable thing
is anything to go by I don't think jimin's stamina would be very good lol
I actually don't mind that.I know they get flack for not having any proper visuals but I'm tired of these cookie cutter Dr. Kim clones with their creepy 1000 yard stares and botched noses.>>84529
are you ok?He's probably the type who couldn't even get it up because he's so insecure about everything, especially if he turns out to be as small as his hands.Guys who act like they're hot shit usually don't have any skills in bed and I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of those guys.
This thread has gone off the deep end… stop thirsting, or at least sage>>84383
Honestly I think there really is something unusual about Haechan, Mark and him have both been in the limelight a similar amount of time but Mark seems well-adjusted. Haechan is kind of off, the fact that he was supposedly talking to all these fansites with older women when he was a minor…
I feel like there should be some regulations about all these minors being thrust into the idol industry. It really fucks with them.
Suho being clean is for real tho
He doesnt seem to indulge in bogus stuff
She's not ugly but she's very lucky to be a Blackpink member, with her baby face and 5'2" height she wouldn't ever be allowed near high fashion otherwise >>84495
This is absolute fucking bullshit anon, come on you can make up better stories than that.
- The Yeri and rapper rumour + all the other shit was made up by salty Pann bitches because Yeri dared to talk to their oppars. Her not being able to sing doesn't mean she's a horrible person who hates her friends or something like that, stuff like this is what led to Sulli and Hara leaving this earth.
- Jaehyun doesn't even mention other idols in public and barely takes pictures with non-NCT members, how on earth is he "flaunting" his friendships when they mention him first? Are you implying Big Hit is being paid by SM for Jungkook to talk about Jaehyun or something?
This Kpop "gossip" is so shit it made me defend fucking NCT, and I hate NCT!
Korean sasaengs do have actual info, but you'll have to pay good money for it and know enough Korean to converse with them (if it's free or cheap it's probably old news or fake).
Their most accurate info is pretty mundane anyway - mostly about comeback dates/concert tours info. Dating news and contact info is a 50/50 thing on accuracy
I never bought any info myself but a friend (I'm so sorry kek, but this time it's true) bought Blackpink concert tour info off a sasaeng, who told her the correct dates a week before the official announcement
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Change of topic you delulus
Pic related, how can anybody brainwash themselves to such a degree??
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Well Chungha is being called out for cultural appropriation
seriously….where are these thirsty ratmy coming from
can we get these fake insider fanfiction writers back to ao3 please
if you wanna sperg about your oppa being good in bed just go to ao3 or wattpad
I am this anon: >>84502
Zico, Mino, Yongguk, Xiumin…
have not heard anything positive about the NCT boys so far.
the people constantly complaining about what people talk about on this thread will forever be a thousand times more annoying than people “thirsting over their oppars”
shut up man
Bang Si Hyuk is really delusional
He casted all of Txt for their visuals but they legit look like Jhope prototypes except for Soobin but that dude is plain as vanilla can get
considering his new song trended so hard because he got some "woke queens" to dance with him gives me little hope that he's gonna be treated like the POS he is
on another note did anyone see that toilet yoochun is charging 70 USD to join his new fanclub lol
I read that txt doesn't have any positions because they were trained to be good at "everything", can any of you pedo txtfags confirm this? What kind of bullshit is this supposed to be? Of course all companies try to teach all idols everything but nevertheless every person (yes, even bigshit idols) has a speciality. No idol was ever known for being just good, they have fans because they're either good at dancing or singing or rapping or being beautiful (and that doesn't mean that they have to be completely shit at all the other things). How arrogant to think that they're above all this.>>84581
Somebody should take one for the team and see what's included in this kek
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best i could find, im sure there's other pics out there
I believe he wanted to cut his jaw into a V-shape and make be some aegyo shit type rapper. BH is a really repulsive company, I don't get it how those ratmies don't see it.
I'm glad Beenzino didn't agree upon in. It has a really nice face, how could you even think of destroying it like that??? But we have TXT guys who have agreed to look as plastic monsters so there will always be much easier and ready to do everything sellouts.
Really funny how BTS whole motto is "Love yourself" when they have done ps and can't even lead a normal life since they have to be filmed almost 24/7. Everything is pretty normal, right?
Are you retarded?
Beenzino was already a respected solo act by 2011
He’s a SNU graduate, top rapper and everyone 8n the industry respects him what would he gain by joining Bts.
Stop your stupid conspiracy theories in the thread,
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Beenzino said Bang Pd approached him to join his label if he got a jaw reduction surgery (ironic seeing how fugly Bts are)
But here was his response
“During my underground days a producer came to me and said this
If I work with him all my wishes will come true
The last thing he said was the punch line
I could join him if I just got jaw reduction surgery.
I don’t need your bullet proof
Like that, I declined to be your boy”
He never intended on debuting with Bts and Bang Si Hyuk thinking he’d accept the offer is even more hilarious.
i'm talking about the weird gossip and talking about who is bad in bed and has small dicks>>84267
suga and jimin are like 5'5-5'6 maybe even 5'4
I'm going to be sick…>>84376
Speaking of new GG, did pictures come out yet? Does the group have a name, are all they still under SM rookies tier? >>84402
It's getting so bad that I'm starting to see kpop on local news channels. Shit has got to stop, no one watches it except boomers on their way to taking their kids to school.
dude looks absolutely fine as far as im concerned, jaw surgery would have turned him into a plastic monster>>84599
jhope has a small build, if anyone has a monster cock in bts its probably V
Sm is still debuting them
But they’re keeping everything under wraps
For hype I am guessing
its crazy that BH is going around promising established musicians all these dreams if they just cut up their face
imagine the pull they have towards desperate kids and who think cutting off their face and pumping them full of fillers will make them a star
also where are the parents of half of these trainees, like what half decent parent would let an agency cut into their kid's face for a chance to be a star…its honestly so gross
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To rest the height debate
Here is Bts next to 180 cm Bae Yong Joon
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Beenzino might be a little ugly facially (definitely not an Rat's and Jhope's level tho), but he's very tall and a lot more manly looking than BTS meaning they would've looked like shit next to him.
In the end he's the one winning: kpop is mostly listened to by literal kids, while him and other rappers are the most popular amongst young korean adults. He's probably more known to the general public than individual group members but also not to the point there he get's mobbed. Plus he can date in peace (even a foreigner), he always only get's the most positive comments. When have you ever seen mid 30s men writing something so positive about a person who's not an underage female idol? lol
Good for him because he's got decent facial structure.
Why do so many Koreans insist on hacking up their faces? Their natural faces are so much better
Yeri will be the first to start scandals in Red Velvet, I am not suprised. >>84499
Also not suprised the rest of the girls will be dating rich business men, they wouldn't mess with male idols as much. 100% Irene will eventually marry/ be caught with a chaebol.
i agree if benzeeno is telling the truth bh is bordering on predatory the way they try to reel in talent
but sm making their underage members undergo ps prior to their facial bones even settling through puberty is also super fucking skeevy…not to mention they probably need parental consent for that right, so that means these kids have some fame hungry parents too
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Samefagging but the fucking audacity for him to tell a good looking young guy (Beenzino was a hot thing during his underground days trust me) to hack his jaw off when he looks like the humanized version of a snot
lol what a human pile of lard
there were pics of him waddling around with some gangnam golddigger 1/2 his age…must be nice flaunting the money his plastic herd is reeling in for him
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Sm never made an underage idol go through PS
It’s true they do force their idols (often guilt tripping them and lowering their self esteem for them to agree with going under the knife)
But Jisung have a nose job Is stupid
His nose looks different depending on the angle but if you know Jisung his nose has always been tiny
The image on the left is from 2015 when he was 13.
I think she looks only model-ish with heavy makeup and photoshop. She cannot pull those experimental, unconventional looks, like is the second one a legit vogue cover?
I'm low key happy that lisa is getting so much attention because of that chinese show cause it might start humbling jennie a bit.