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No. 1700596
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I am so fucking tired of women being held to the same standards as men in art. History has shown us women dont rape, kidnap, torture, and kill like men do, so why are women held at the same, if not higher standar than men?.
I will always be pro women drawing whatever the fuck they want, even if it's gross shit, same thing doesn't apply to men. If you think otherwise you are a retarded MRA that is desperately trying to pretend women are as bad as men. If women were as a bad as men we would have female jeffrey dahmer, women marrying little boys in middle eastern countries, men fearing going out late at night. I still stand that i would rather have a female shotafag artist than a female DDLG, Maledom, male-gaze artist. That bitch who wrote 50 shades did more damage to women than any female shotfag with 50 followers could do to boys. If women were as bad as men, as MRAs think, we would live in a more equal world, but we dont. Women fear men, men don't. Men are allowed to draw whatever disgusting shit they want and have a following, like mossa, women cant even draw a reverse harem gentle femdom webtoon without being called misandrist racists. The ''two wrongs dont make a right'' bullshit doesnt even make sense, because men make all the wrongs, yet women are the only ones paying for it. So yeah, I stand with women drawing whatever the fuck they want.
No. 1700672
>>1700644yeah, i think all male pedophiles should be shoot on sight, but i think women can like shota without being pedos, or if they do are they can get therapy and change. There is a reason why men commit 98% of crimes, even the trannies with ''uwu feminine brain'' still commit more sexual crimes than women. I don't believe men can change, they are all inherently inmmature perverted creatures. When i was 14-17 i was a huge shotafag, i obviously wasnt nor are a pedo, i just liked femdom and cute boys and there was NOTHING cattering to me, it was all either dorito chin bishies, roided freaks and tons and tons of maledom shit, and all the femdom was sissy shit or dominatrix women for scrotes. Eventually i grew out of it and started drawing my own shit, so from personal experience i can see why a woman would like shota without being a pedo. Men cant even get rejected by some girl without raging and going on a mass shooting spree, they are low iq creatures and i am honestly very offended i am getting put on the same level as the sex that pays to rape gorillas in makeup. I think female shotafags are either just into cute boys, or have been abused in some way or another, i dont think none are capable or harming anyone but themselves. Also, literally no woman is making a male version of lolita/taxi driver/pretty baby/leon the professional/gravure idols, so it's safe to say no woman has interest in the real thing, unlike moids.
No. 1700698
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>>1700688Have you looked into fantasy art nona? Many of the men pictured in painterly fairy pics are pretty and lithe without a lot of dorito face.
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>>1700690 I am not interested in 3dpd and western shows are shit. Videogames suffer a similar problem, too. Only dante and leon are attractive, although i hate their boring as fuck personalities, the rest are roided piggus, disgustingly old and realistic, or downright boring as fuck, so i intuitively end up liking the only fucking male characters in vidya that are allowed to have interesting cute personalities and designs, like pit/link/no9, who happen to be 'shotas'. Best example would be genshit, where there isnt a real ''shota'' equivalent, the ''shotas'' are on the same level as the flat girls, then it jumps straight into boring bishies and muscle pigs
>>1700697how about you recommend something then
>>1700698that's really fucking ugly, reminds me of those ai pictures where they turn the long haired fag from berserk into a 3DPD
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>>1700704Small genshin boys are a cute but don't you dare call Griffith a fag
No. 1700716
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>>1700704Why so hostile,
nonnie? And Genshin character designs are terrible. There is no variety at all. It's all over-designed, tropey garbage. If you are only looking for anime-style games, then of course anything outside of that style will be ugly to you. Personally, I like cute boys so I look at a lot of final fantasy and kingdom hearts fanart. There's also chinese video games(not genshin) that I play that feature lots of cute, feminine men. You just need to expand your horizons.
>>1700713Before a couple months ago, people were actually against shota here. Most of the talk wasn't even about nonsense like this and had many recognizable cows.
No. 1700729
>>1700726i just think they are boring
>>1700727why are you so mad at me? you asked why a person not into 3DPD would be into shota characters and i answered, you didnt like my answer and started sperging about it when i didnt inmmediately like the things you recommended, which were the same things i was complaining about. Men have a bazillion pieces of media to choose from, so them gravitationg towards a generic loli instead of some anime girl with the same personality that's not a loli is more telling than someoe with extremely limited options to choose from.
No. 1700733
>>1700725Never said I liked Sora in particular. And I'm not sperging, you literally said
>how about you recommend something then>>1700729Nta but I'm
>>1700675 The person you're responding to is not me. People are just saying you're options aren't limited. It just sounds like you only like characters that look like shotas, which if thats the case, then just own it.
No. 1700740
>>1700733i just like cute male characters and there are fucking none, i already spent my teenage years hoping from idolshit for women, to shoujo, to sports anime to no avail. I do like ensemble stars, though, probably the only gacha for women i actually do enjoy the art and character's personalities, probably because it feels like a genderbent version of something like im@s.
>>1700735i already do, this all started because anon asked why someone that's not a pedophile would be into shota, i answered from someone who doesnt like 99% of male characters. I even used to watch harem shit for moids like onegai teacher because it was the only type of anime willing to make cute submissive male characters.
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Forgive me if this has been talked about but I keep seeing zoomers say they’re going to steal or take inspiration from ai art. Fuck ai art it’s equally as retarded but they really think they’re owning aifags with “stealing” the already shit designs and drawing their own shit art. Zoomers do the same shit with artists that are “problematic”, yeah i’m sure the creator of Ranfren is offended a 14 year old is claiming her OCs as their own. Lazy uncreative little shit heads that want shortcuts to the simplest shit, if you want inspiration open a fucking magazine or book or google images. Or go outside, I saw a cool ass old man with a parrot on his shoulder today and my mind was teeming with ideas from him.
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>>1700799There was a whole google doc callout but that's gone now but retarded ass shit. I could only find a doc from a fan that's responding to the callout but here's just my shitty rundown based on it.
>drawing the character Nyen completely pitch black therefore it's blackface>art of an ouija board with a swastika on it>one of the characters has a the same sweatshirt as nevada-tan>using the n word in some way>drawing racist "ratmen" asian stereotype characters, but were supposedly instead inspired by a mouse Touhou character>something to do with pedo or incest art?>retweeting porn of Randal>drawing pedobear>the character nana's design is transphobic No. 1700887
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>>1700832Samefag I dug through a Twitter thread and found more including a Russian translation of the original doc that's still up so I'll just screencap some of the shit. She posted or reblogged an image of a memorial for the bodies of native Canadian children found, in between two posts about yaoi shit. She also reblogged gore art of Randal. Isn't she a Russian of course she's had edgy humor. Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.
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>>1700887>Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.Reminds me of another dumb tiktok/twitter drama involving zoomers and a google document.
No. 1700910
>>1700905what happened
nonny? what did she/he do to deserve a fucking 114 manifesto
No. 1700922
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>>1700910Except for a couple of things, the 'controversies' are very silly in my opinion. Typical zoomer behavior. But hey, at least she's not drawing lolicon or shotacon.
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>>1700917Thank you anon! This is amazing, I never thought I would see a furry artist respond to angry callouts from bored kids with screenshots from Talking Angela, or people mad because they think he's drawn incest art of Where's My Water characters. These kids got the wrong ages of the Talking Tom characters because they thought the age of the app Google gives you is the age of the character, that's how retarded TikTok kids are. To be completely honest though, he (she?) completely set himself up for this by posting on TikTok so I don't feel bad at all. You draw a bunch of lewd images and porn of characters zoomers will recgonize and be nostalgic for, on an app well known for it's young userbase, don't be surprised if they start chimping out over it.
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>>1700922wow i am not even half-way through it and this makes me so mad. This poor woman got tons of shit for absolutely no fucking reason. I wonder why this happens? Mossa draws loli guro openly and he's still respected by the twitter community, meanwhile this poor girl cannot draw a fucking shitpost comic of some blob and a cocodrile without being called a pedo. Why is it always women, or artists that draw a content targetted at women, being called out and targetted?
No. 1700960
>>1700908The trick is to not give a fuck. Online harassers are like animals: they can smell weakness.
Someone accuses you of being a zoophile? Laugh at them. Someone calls you a pedo? Oh, fuck off. And so on.
Oddly enough, it works.
No. 1700988
>>>/ot/1700040Did you hear it from that guy who draws PASWG style street fighter fan art?
>>>/ot/1699849His works make my blood boil.
No. 1701085
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>>1700792It started with referencing is ok. Then straight up copying is ok because no one owns anything. Then using 3D models/assets or photobashing everything is ok. Then tracing is ok. Then using premade brushes to stamp hands and eyes like you're Tim Buckley is ok. Now AI is ok as long as you act ironic about it, kek.
Not necessarily against most of these things it's just funny and I wonder how far it will go. Artists have never been more apable to learn and stunted by shortcuts and lazy tricks at once.
No. 1701407
>>1701294anon is probably deeply retarded and thinks the rise of ''female'' predators is actual women and not trannies. Female predators arent ''getting away'' with being predators, that's just a MRA lie. Female predators are treated even worse than male predators, that's why female shota artists get called out more than loli male artist and why
>>1700917 got called a pedo for a shitty comic
No. 1701506
>>1700908I am just too much of a loner to socialize much so nobody even knows I am female.
Uploading fanart since 2006, never had a call out.
No. 1701509
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>>1701498It worked though. Which leads me to wonder if it is worth having that many followers even if they are all zoomies.
No. 1701519
>>1700917Everytime I see people posting such accusations it's fucking instagram, which attracts IMO the same brainlets as tiktok. The central issue of both places is that they are much, much more mainstream and casual than other, more fandom centered places. Even twitter is way, waaaay more fandom centered than these places. Twitterfags are mostly hybrids with a political and a fandom oriented side. Instagrammers and tiktokers are just fullblown normalfags that don't even have a concept of fandom.
Artist is mainly a fujo I know. She's drawing sfw shipping art, mostly of Optimus and Megatron or some anime. Complaints I see a lot are "Why?", "BUT THIS IS A CARTOON!?!?", "Why are you showing me this".
This not only reveals that they don't know what a fandom or shipping is, they are also not aware of what algorithms are, since they are often asking shit like "Why do you want to show me this?", not understanding that it's not the artist that chooses to make a pic appear on some rando's timeline.
In short, it's stupid normalfags. This is why those places are shit since they throw all types of people together that should never meet.
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>>1701509i'm really curious to know where he's from
i legit believe gringos give more shit to foreign artist than they do their own. The exception is like, idk shitty discord servers with "inclusive" retards that eventually dox eachother over saying the wrong thing
but even them i feel like a lot of them HAVE to cover for eachother when they fuck up due to their contradictory and vague silent rules, otherwise they would have like fifty callouts each
No. 1701550
>>1701526This is 100% the case but it’s not a matter of foreigner vs non foreigner, people just love dogpiling. I explicitly remember one of the morons shitting on an artist for drawing a spiderverse character with “too light” skin later retweeting and praising ugly fanart (that their friend drew) of Zoro from One Piece with neon lemon yellow “racist caricature” tier skin. Both instances boil down to a matter of stylization but only one person gets a 10 million likes quote tweet callout for racism. It’s all arbitrary bullshit they want to play
victim with. If someone they like does it, it doesn’t matter.
No. 1701644
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>>1701642being a shotafag saved me from being groomed when i was a tween. If i were one of those DDLG/maledom freaks like most of my classmates were(some who were groomed) i would 100% have been groomed too. That's why i would rather women be shotafreaks than maledom/ddlg freaks/male-gaze artist. Realize how the hatred t's always towards women drawing gore/shota, never towards the women drawing bdsm/male-gaze art/ddlg/maledom shit, which has actually hurt people irl(women) and is way more normalized and accepted than women into shota, which are like one in a bazillion.
No. 1701674
Also there's shota art that's just a youthful boy but otherwise not infantalized. And then there's just shota content that is specifically about getting off to them being minors.
>>1701664Kek I don't like them too. Anons were just shitting on a pickme woman artist in the previous thread.
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>>1701678how is gore different than shota? the absolute stacy drawing toilet dio isnt going to go turn men into human toilets, just like how yana toboso isnt going to go rape children. Women are capable of drawing the most heinous shit and not commit crimes. Men cant even play fucking videogames without getting their wires crossed and shooting people.
>>1701674that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.
No. 1701688
>>1701644I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything. That shit shouldn't be exposed to kids until they fully develop their brains in the first place.
>>1701684>that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.Then I suppose you're not really complaining about nonas shitting on shota here but more so the general culture. Again, I don't like them either. Though it's not the time for whataboutism. I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
Again, I'm not gonna mail your president to stop you from making that content if that floats your boat. I don't know about other anons, but my goal posting this is, if not to convince you, then others lurking to change their minds about it.
No. 1701705
>>1701688>I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anythingbelieve it or not, it did. I used to expend most of my time on fb groups for retro games and anime so ended up developing friendships with older teens and men at 14, they would try to groom me and i would just respond ''ewww noo you arent my qte shota husbandoru!!!'''. If i was into ddlg shit i would have definetly been groomed into finding older men attractive and romantic, as many classmates my age did. I literally rejected all those faggots not because i realized how predatory it was, but because they werent my cute shota husbando(at the time), kek. I love you Kenny, thanks for saving me from gross men.
>I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.we are talking about fetishes, if you have any fetish there is something inherently wrong with you, normie couples have missionary once a month out of commitment for a reason. I never said guro wasn't wrong, just saying a woman drawing guro/shota is miles better than a pickme glorifying how her boyfriend abuses her, the latter has real life consequences, whereas the shota/gurofag isnt going to go murder men and rape children.
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Just found someone charging $90 for editing pokemon sprites, if I knew people are open to spent that much on them when I was 12 I would've gotten rich kek I used to do sprite edits all the time.
The only ok thing on this sheet are the portraits since they seem made fully from scratch, but that price tag is still too big considering their size and limited colors.
No. 1701839
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>>1700905They were calling this CP? I'm out lol
No. 1701903
>>1701644it's one thing to consume lolisho when you're a kid and eventually grow out of it when you become and adult. it's a phase.
what people are trying to say here is that if you're an adult woman who's still into lolisho then you're a gross degen because you should've grown out of it ages ago and even though you're not acting on it you're still getting off to/attracted by the representation of a child which is fucked up at the very least.
No. 1701926
>>1701802>>1701885no, i just hate you people jumping to say ''omg you are as bad as men, double standars!!!'' like retarded MRAs. I am not even a shotafag, i just defend women drawing whatever they like, and if freaks like
>>1701684 are allowed to draw their disgustign shit, so should the 2 or 3 female shotafags and guro artists. I am just putting it in perspective, and female shotafags are genuinely the lesser evil when people like the author of 50 shades is given the green light to make it a movie. I repeat, more women have died thanks to pickme behaviour being pushed by media, than any child or male has been hurted by shota/gurofags. I will stop surporting female shota/gorefags when people stop defending bdsm art as ''a kink''. Until then, men deserve to be cosified too.
>>1701896everyone else was into bishies so idk. kenny is canonically like 9 and when he was my husbando i was 14/15. do you think that agegap IRL would be normal? I just liked cute boys, shrimple as.
>>1701903do you think yana toboso is a pedo? some women just like to draw cute boys, nothing wrong with that. Men drawing loli are 100% perverts, though.
No. 1701955
>>1701946>why not project those feelings onto a grown up version of your husbando.that's retarded, imagine if moids cared this much about some character's age. Most waifufags have waifus that are at most 15. At this point i have realized that no matter how you sugarcoat it, as long as you are female or drawing female gaze art you are going to be nitpicked to death like
>>1701839 . So why not just say ''fuck it'' and do whatever we want, like moids? we are going to get judged more harshly anyways, so might as well just rip the bandaid and own it.
No. 1701996
>>1701975i will genuinely only start caring for female shotafags when
1-people, specially women, stop justifying BDSM as a safe kink
2-mainstream media stops pushing gross maledom shit to women(fuck literally all romance shojo shit)
3-men actually start being scared of women and not only use the ''female teacher pedo'' boogeyman when they are trying to justify women being totes as evil as men
4-women stop being called out for the dumbest of shist that moids do on the dozen
until then, female shotafags drawing south park boys kissing is the lesser evil and hold less risk to safety than some pickme retard glorifying her boyfriend treating her like shit and saying to men ''see? women LIKE being choked!!''. If being considered worse than a shotafag helps a pickme stop drawing male pandering shit that actually hurt women, then so be it.
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>>1702022>women have common sense to call out degeneracyexcept they dont, women never call out actual pedos or men drawing disgusting shit, they call out other women drawing mildly degen shit that's harmless. I don't care if pickme retards feel morally superior for calling out a girl drawing south park yaoi, i will always side with the south park fujo. Mossacannabis has 300k followers, where is his cancellation? but nah, those retards would rather cancell the ranfren TIF for drawing swastikas or that webtoon chick for drawing gentle femdom.
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Could you recommend any low cost screen recording program? I'd like to record small snippets of how I draw hair or something. But my computer is shit and lags when I'm using heavy record software.
Extra points if the software have editing tools aswell
No. 1702044
>>1702029>>1702035Women call out other women because they are women spaces. Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do
>>1702036OBS is free and you can control the size of your screen, so you can crop it to certain parts of your canvas if you'd like
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>>1701802You have been at this for like, days now kek, let it rest you obsessed sperg.
No. 1702060
>>1701955Fair enough. It's still weird to thirst over fictional little boys because pedophilia is so normalized and partaking in something adjacent doesn't fix the problem? Pedophile men also lack a gender preference because their "attraction" is just destruction of innocence, so they'll probably get off to some nerdy girl's South Park fics too. But I agree that men drawing lolisho will always be worse, and that BDSM is inherently
abusive.
No. 1702075
>>1702067Tell your mutuals then that they're supporting someone like him. I'm not saying women don't commonly call out other women while not calling out men, but I'm just saying there are reasons why. And e-thots who cosplay underage anime girls suck, but women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general. Also, your posts are incredibly obvious because of your capitalization, nona.
>>1702071>>1702069You guys are right in that cancel culture doesn't apply to men. Women are easier targets because they have less power than men. But I still think both should be called out rather than just focusing on one or the other. I don't get why people are whining that women call out other women instead of men, when they should focus on just calling everyone out instead. Sure, this is the artist salt thread where you're meant to be salty about it, but it's redundant to see everyone say the same five things over and over without discussing any ways to fix it
No. 1702086
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So, who is going to do the mossacannibalism call out post? I have access to his baraag and can provide screenshots, but I don't have twitter because I only publish on pixiv.
No. 1702089
>>1702078Minus8 did that one disgusting Ankha animation right. Maybe I've been living under a rock but what does EPI mean?
>>1702080I can name so many sick fuck male artists who get away with vile shit. It just confirms that callout culture in art/fandom spaces is a misogyny problem; it is only used to harass and silence women who were often
victims of grooming themselves, once they hit the male-established expiration date where it is no longer socially acceptable for women artists to have a platform.
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>>1702075you read my post about women cancelling thots for cosplaying kanna, while making excuses about the original source(made by a man) being totes wholesome and your conclusion is ''yeah, the thots suck!!''. You are the problem,
nonny. People are complaining becaue only women are being called out, and not even for real reasons, just retarded nitpicks. Or do you seriously think the ranfren TIF did anything seriously bad to get cancelled over? c'mon, you are just justifying women gettig harassed, i have never seen a callout towards a woman be anything but nitpicks like drawing a brown character one shade lighter or some other equal retarded shit. Does anyone remember this girl? she got harassed for ''cultural appropiation'' to the point she deleted her account at some point. Imagine if twitterfaggots actually harassed lolifags with this much determination.
>>1702086kek, literally no one is going to give a shit. People probably already know, it's not a well-kept secret.
No. 1702096
>>1702075>women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general>cancel culture doesn't apply to men>women are easier targets because they have less power than menYou're literally agreeing with them. If men get called out, people stop giving a fuck after 5 minutes and they still have loyal fans. Just look at men like Projared, or ZeRo (zerowondering) who admitted to sexting with and asking a 14 year old girl for nudes, left the internet, then backtracked 6 months later and said he never did it. They'll never reach their old success levels, but a lot of people don't give a fuck. If women get called out, everyone they knows goes scorched earth. It's the same reason why MtFs get millions of asspats everywhere they go, but nobody gives a fuck about FtMs. These women who call out other women for drawing shitty South Park yaoi but not freaky pedophile men who use literal CP as references because they are misogynistic handmaidens. Even if a woman wanted to call out somebody like Mossa, they'd be drowned out by his loyal coomers and pickmes. I also routinely see popular female artists (such as niceupdog) make vague posts about hating loli while regularly interacting with male artists who draw explicit loli porn of 10 year olds. I don't understand how the cognitive dissonance doesn't give them an aneurysm.
Just look at this from the last thread:
>>1697604>>1699034She said no NSFW and he drew softcore porn of her anyways. Do you really think it's worth it for her to tell him to stop and get his followers sicc'd on her, and possibly have her own followers turn on her?
No. 1702098
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>>1702089EPI is coomerspeak for Early Porn Introduction aka the fetish for exposing children to porn. Minus8 is a popular artist for because of his simple, colorful style and obsession with Nintendo and other younger-skewing media. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with blending cute and sexy, but his jarringly kawaii pedoshit is the visual equivalent of a van full of candy.
No. 1702106
>>1702100Remember that at the end of the day, loli, shota, zoo or anything 'degenerate' is ultimately just pixels on a page that have never hurt or groomed a single real person. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either miserable or jealous. You are
valid for using porn to cope, and your favorite artists support your choice of self-medication. There is no such thing as a porn addiction.
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>>1702106women arent doing this shit, it doesn't matter how much you try to compare male degeneracy to female degeneracy. We both know female shotafags arent drawing something as heinous as shadman/minus8/mossa, it's unfair to compare men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated to…this. That's why i defend the right for women to draw whatever they want, not shota specifically. I know women aren't capable of ever doing something as hideous as shadman unless they are pickme retards.
No. 1702115
>>1702092>>1702111We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain
>>1702096Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with them, I'm just wondering why this point keeps getting brought up but remains stunted. Women tend to call out other women because (like many people on this imageboard for some reaosn), they're also more ingrained in "fandom culture" and talk about fandoms and art like it's politics. They take things too serious. But about the girl, she should mention that and his 100s of loli drawings. She could also mention him being a stonetoss supporter. There's many things, but I agree it would probably do more harm than good to her. Which sucks, because this should be considered sexual harassment to draw NSFW of the likeness of a real person without their consent.
>>1702106>There is no such thing as a porn addiction.What is this grand psyop kek
No. 1702119
>>1702115>We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complainthis board can be so dumb sometimes, i could repeat everything i say three times in bold letters and retards are going to misunderstand it anyways. I will repeat my points one last time. Women=/=men. Shota made by men=pedophilia, shota made by women=just cute boy shit like south park yaoi. BDSM/maledom/male gaze is worse than shota drawn by women, as it has actually hurt people(women) IRL. No, i dont condone all shota. No, i am not a shotafag, when i was a shotafag i was watching kuroshitsuji and southpark fanmedia(made by women), not boku no pico(made by men). Women never get called out for real
problematic stuff, it's always dumb shit no one cares. Men never get called out and are allowed a massive following(even by industry pros) when they draw heinous stuff. People, specially some women, will make excuses to defend obvious moid shit(dragon maid) but then go harass women for doing the same thing(lardasses cosplaying kanna). From experience i am glad i grew up liking shota rather than misogynistic propaganda(kaichou wa maid sama, for example).
No. 1702124
>>1702119I agree with these points, and maybe others itt too but don't realize it yet. The whole infighting/callouts between women making
problematic art feels like a smokescreen to deflect from men who are doing actual awful shit.
>>1702120Probably but it came across as earnest or baity.
No. 1702372
>>1702152I can literally sperg all day about how ass procreate is yet everyone is treating it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I hate how slippery the brushes are and how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures. people think they're hot shit for using such a weak ass program on an overpriced piece of machinery that can't even save files normally.
I also don't like how big professional artists touted it as being so accessible because it's "only $15" and people get suckered into buying an $800 piece of scrap metal and a shitty stylus just to say they have procreate and can draw with it.
But I think the thing I hate the most about it is how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch and making dumb tutorials on 'how to start an art/sticker business with procreate' making other, better resources harder to find.
There are way better free options out there and you can pry paint tool SAI and clip studio (though they're on thin fucking ice at the moment) from my cold dead hands. Fuck Procreate, and fuck iOS.
No. 1702407
>>1702395Nowhere did I state Clip Studio was free. I swear, the reading comprehension is at an all time low.
It's good that it works for you, nona. It's the salt thread and I'm allowed to be salty about an art program. You don't need to come to its defense.
No. 1702421
>>1702407Except everything you are saying is completely wrong.
>I hate how slippery the brushes areThen adjust them
>how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures.I've never used the gestures because any program that requires this, including phones, is garbage, so don't use it. It is not reliant on it at all, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's an accessibility option.
>how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merchYou mean every single art program that anyone can use to create such merch
You just sound mad for some reason. These aren't critiques you think they are. You can have an opinion, but not when you're being personally mad about even something as simple as accessibility for people who could use it. Do you always use the talk-to-text on your phone? No, because you probably don't need that accessibility.
No. 1702479
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What are some mangas with incredible inking?
No. 1702487
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>>1702479Another one I like. I realized I prefeer when mangakas use more western techniques.
No. 1702687
>>1702372Don't know why the procreate platoon decided to show up and get mad at you, but I agree. It's garbage, and even if you do turn up the smoothing on brushes, the bounciness of each lines feel clunky to work with for me. I much prefer Clip Studio Paint and Sai to Procreate. Somehow, I even prefer photoshop over it due to all the filtering you're able to do.
>>1702612What does this have to do with thinking pedoshit is bad for either gender?
No. 1702731
>>1702687They came outta the woodwork after I shared a sentiment on procreate and proceeded to come to its defense because I don't like it. Feels like twitter behavior, but I'm not going to entertain it any further than that.
has anyone here tried bluesky for art? i don't have one and I'm sick of moving from one shitty platform to another but i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with it so far.
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the new lol character literally a restrained girl. what the fuck. of course, people are already drawing her lewd and shit.
No. 1702750
>>1702740I actually like the idea of a restrained monster girl.
But it's not what she is. They went 200% coomer bait with her. She is a 1000 years old vampire underage loli who walks by swaying her butt, moves by showing her feet, and has a cringe "uwu" personality. I really dislike her because she's wasted potential.
No. 1702760
>>1702750This. The pose and face they chose for her tells it all.
They could have made her a guy but men wouldn't be interested in that
No. 1702852
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>>1702754Maybe cause it’s made 100% digitally now? Stuff like that can make some art look stiff in my opinion
No. 1702862
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>>1702853It's a yt short, of course it has 2M views. Pic rel are their most viewed shorts vs their most viewed videos.
No. 1702879
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>>1702479I think the best example of Eastern and western comic inking styles mixing is kotteri
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>>1702479It's a little scrotey but Ran to Haiiro no Sekai.
No. 1703320
>>1703308Arguable. Major spoilers for the story
The doctor moid becomes the big bad and dies but the japanese fans and maybe the author has such a soft spot for him because he keeps getting drawn in romantic AUs with the girl kek.
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>>1702749>>1703365it's by ohishi masaru, sadly his manga doesnt seem to be translated anywhere
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The wildly different arms are sending me. I hope the commissioner gets a refund kekw.
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>>1703278Anon.. how could you do this.
No. 1703855
>>1701839Did the alligator bite off his penis or is thr blob female? I’m confused
>>1702092I didn’t know she left the internet. Her work was a cool interpretation of Native Americans and I remember some actual natives stuck up for her.
>>1702408You can import Photoshop brushes to Procreate anon
>>1702487What are Western inking techniques compared to Eastern? I don’t ink but the mage manga you posted has been a fun read. Watching her ink traditionally makes me jealous.