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No. 1700560

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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix

>useful youtube channels

>where to find art
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No. 1700596

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I am so fucking tired of women being held to the same standards as men in art. History has shown us women dont rape, kidnap, torture, and kill like men do, so why are women held at the same, if not higher standar than men?.
I will always be pro women drawing whatever the fuck they want, even if it's gross shit, same thing doesn't apply to men. If you think otherwise you are a retarded MRA that is desperately trying to pretend women are as bad as men. If women were as a bad as men we would have female jeffrey dahmer, women marrying little boys in middle eastern countries, men fearing going out late at night. I still stand that i would rather have a female shotafag artist than a female DDLG, Maledom, male-gaze artist. That bitch who wrote 50 shades did more damage to women than any female shotfag with 50 followers could do to boys. If women were as bad as men, as MRAs think, we would live in a more equal world, but we dont. Women fear men, men don't. Men are allowed to draw whatever disgusting shit they want and have a following, like mossa, women cant even draw a reverse harem gentle femdom webtoon without being called misandrist racists. The ''two wrongs dont make a right'' bullshit doesnt even make sense, because men make all the wrongs, yet women are the only ones paying for it. So yeah, I stand with women drawing whatever the fuck they want.

No. 1700627

>doesnt know about the queen
go back newfag

No. 1700644

> I will always be pro women drawing whatever the fuck they want, even if it's gross shit, same thing doesn't apply to men
Same here, i may get grossed out and laugh if what they draw is gross or ridiculous but i'll still side with them than with a scrote.

No. 1700646

Prepare yourself for the horde of twitter tourists getting angry at you kek

No. 1700672

yeah, i think all male pedophiles should be shoot on sight, but i think women can like shota without being pedos, or if they do are they can get therapy and change. There is a reason why men commit 98% of crimes, even the trannies with ''uwu feminine brain'' still commit more sexual crimes than women. I don't believe men can change, they are all inherently inmmature perverted creatures. When i was 14-17 i was a huge shotafag, i obviously wasnt nor are a pedo, i just liked femdom and cute boys and there was NOTHING cattering to me, it was all either dorito chin bishies, roided freaks and tons and tons of maledom shit, and all the femdom was sissy shit or dominatrix women for scrotes. Eventually i grew out of it and started drawing my own shit, so from personal experience i can see why a woman would like shota without being a pedo. Men cant even get rejected by some girl without raging and going on a mass shooting spree, they are low iq creatures and i am honestly very offended i am getting put on the same level as the sex that pays to rape gorillas in makeup. I think female shotafags are either just into cute boys, or have been abused in some way or another, i dont think none are capable or harming anyone but themselves. Also, literally no woman is making a male version of lolita/taxi driver/pretty baby/leon the professional/gravure idols, so it's safe to say no woman has interest in the real thing, unlike moids.

No. 1700675

What is the appeal in liking this art if it isn't because you're attracted to little boys lol

No. 1700688

i literally explained it on my post. Male characters come in two shapes most of the time, dorito chin bishie, and muscle pig. Some of us dont like those types, and our only alternative are ''shota characters''.

No. 1700690

Quite literally only true if you only consume anime

No. 1700694

irl moids (3DPD) are butt ugly though

No. 1700697

Kek true, but there's other art forms outside of anime and real people shows/movies/etc. I get it if you're a weeb and that's all you look at, but if you branch out, I promise you'll probably find something that fits the young, cute character type that isn't supposed to be a representation of a kid

No. 1700698

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Have you looked into fantasy art nona? Many of the men pictured in painterly fairy pics are pretty and lithe without a lot of dorito face.

No. 1700699

Can't you at least post something high res

No. 1700700

Sorry I got it off pinterest

No. 1700704

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I am not interested in 3dpd and western shows are shit. Videogames suffer a similar problem, too. Only dante and leon are attractive, although i hate their boring as fuck personalities, the rest are roided piggus, disgustingly old and realistic, or downright boring as fuck, so i intuitively end up liking the only fucking male characters in vidya that are allowed to have interesting cute personalities and designs, like pit/link/no9, who happen to be 'shotas'. Best example would be genshit, where there isnt a real ''shota'' equivalent, the ''shotas'' are on the same level as the flat girls, then it jumps straight into boring bishies and muscle pigs
how about you recommend something then
that's really fucking ugly, reminds me of those ai pictures where they turn the long haired fag from berserk into a 3DPD

No. 1700706

dorito chin, too muscular (the armor he's wearing has the appearance of bare muscles but green), humongous lanklet. please post a better example.

No. 1700707

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Small genshin boys are a cute but don't you dare call Griffith a fag

No. 1700713

Act harder like you're actually from here

I swear twitter tourists don't even pretend to integrate anymore. Zoomers are mentally ill. Most of this general is the example.

No. 1700716

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Why so hostile, nonnie? And Genshin character designs are terrible. There is no variety at all. It's all over-designed, tropey garbage. If you are only looking for anime-style games, then of course anything outside of that style will be ugly to you. Personally, I like cute boys so I look at a lot of final fantasy and kingdom hearts fanart. There's also chinese video games(not genshin) that I play that feature lots of cute, feminine men. You just need to expand your horizons.
Before a couple months ago, people were actually against shota here. Most of the talk wasn't even about nonsense like this and had many recognizable cows.

No. 1700720

She's just gonna say he has a dorito chin, too many muscles, and isn't 5 feet tall

No. 1700725

I dont like jrpgs, sorry. I dont understand why you are so mad, sorry i dont like the same fags you do, not like i have 525 animes and 385 videoogames with cute characters to choose from like moids. Isnt sora from KH a 'shota' too? so i dont understand what's your point , seems like you are sperging because someone else doesnt find the same characters you do attractive.

No. 1700726

>Dante and Leon have boring personalities
So you don't have a personality at all kek they're polar opposites and you put them in the same boat

No. 1700727

Just stop being a crab and go find your own sources of inspiration. Every single suggestion you just shoot down immediately. Go and be free! Dunno why you think only moids play vidya and watch anime. If you really only want shotas then go somewhere else to find shotas. There aren't shotas here.

No. 1700729

i just think they are boring
why are you so mad at me? you asked why a person not into 3DPD would be into shota characters and i answered, you didnt like my answer and started sperging about it when i didnt inmmediately like the things you recommended, which were the same things i was complaining about. Men have a bazillion pieces of media to choose from, so them gravitationg towards a generic loli instead of some anime girl with the same personality that's not a loli is more telling than someoe with extremely limited options to choose from.

No. 1700733

Never said I liked Sora in particular. And I'm not sperging, you literally said
>how about you recommend something then
Nta but I'm >>1700675 The person you're responding to is not me. People are just saying you're options aren't limited. It just sounds like you only like characters that look like shotas, which if thats the case, then just own it.

No. 1700735

I am NTA; were you the same anon doing this in the last thread? Just draw your ideal boy and make him an OC.

No. 1700740

i just like cute male characters and there are fucking none, i already spent my teenage years hoping from idolshit for women, to shoujo, to sports anime to no avail. I do like ensemble stars, though, probably the only gacha for women i actually do enjoy the art and character's personalities, probably because it feels like a genderbent version of something like im@s.
i already do, this all started because anon asked why someone that's not a pedophile would be into shota, i answered from someone who doesnt like 99% of male characters. I even used to watch harem shit for moids like onegai teacher because it was the only type of anime willing to make cute submissive male characters.

No. 1700745

Thread ruin

No. 1700766

sanest response

No. 1700774

The lack of actual salt is making me ill.

No. 1700781

What the fuck did I just walk into

No. 1700792

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Forgive me if this has been talked about but I keep seeing zoomers say they’re going to steal or take inspiration from ai art. Fuck ai art it’s equally as retarded but they really think they’re owning aifags with “stealing” the already shit designs and drawing their own shit art. Zoomers do the same shit with artists that are “problematic”, yeah i’m sure the creator of Ranfren is offended a 14 year old is claiming her OCs as their own. Lazy uncreative little shit heads that want shortcuts to the simplest shit, if you want inspiration open a fucking magazine or book or google images. Or go outside, I saw a cool ass old man with a parrot on his shoulder today and my mind was teeming with ideas from him.

No. 1700799

> the creator of Ranfren
what did she do? isnt she just an edgy tif, how did she offend her fellow edgy tifs?

No. 1700832

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There was a whole google doc callout but that's gone now but retarded ass shit. I could only find a doc from a fan that's responding to the callout but here's just my shitty rundown based on it.
>drawing the character Nyen completely pitch black therefore it's blackface
>art of an ouija board with a swastika on it
>one of the characters has a the same sweatshirt as nevada-tan
>using the n word in some way
>drawing racist "ratmen" asian stereotype characters, but were supposedly instead inspired by a mouse Touhou character
>something to do with pedo or incest art?
>retweeting porn of Randal
>drawing pedobear
>the character nana's design is transphobic

No. 1700836

fascinating, it's funny to see tifs eat echother alive. Would love to read the google doc callout, i wonder if its archived somewhere.

No. 1700887

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Samefag I dug through a Twitter thread and found more including a Russian translation of the original doc that's still up so I'll just screencap some of the shit. She posted or reblogged an image of a memorial for the bodies of native Canadian children found, in between two posts about yaoi shit. She also reblogged gore art of Randal. Isn't she a Russian of course she's had edgy humor. Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.

No. 1700905

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>Never let your art pander or be attractive to zoomies anons.
Reminds me of another dumb tiktok/twitter drama involving zoomers and a google document.

No. 1700908

you genuinely need ovaries of steel to be a female artist online, no wonder so many female artists become pickmes. Imagine having to walk on eggshells because your fanbase is all retarded terminally online women who are always on the look out to see you commit a mistake to hunt you down, horrifying. I am glad i never got into ranfren

No. 1700910

what happened nonny? what did she/he do to deserve a fucking 114 manifesto

No. 1700915

I hate that I recognize that artist, he draws furry bara shit right? Zoomers need to learn that to just assume that if an artist is a furry they're going to be weird in some way. Sucks that doc is also down tho I want to read it. Kogito posts his art on TikTok though so honestly what did he expect, weird to post your borderline furry porn shit on an app full of 14 year olds with such an insane algorithm that you can never control who exactly sees your posts.

No. 1700917


Here's the doc nona, I had a good laugh while reading it. It only serves as an incentive for me to stay as far away from tiktok as possible.

No. 1700922

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Except for a couple of things, the 'controversies' are very silly in my opinion. Typical zoomer behavior. But hey, at least she's not drawing lolicon or shotacon.

No. 1700925

holy shit, let me get my coffee ready

No. 1700942

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Thank you anon! This is amazing, I never thought I would see a furry artist respond to angry callouts from bored kids with screenshots from Talking Angela, or people mad because they think he's drawn incest art of Where's My Water characters. These kids got the wrong ages of the Talking Tom characters because they thought the age of the app Google gives you is the age of the character, that's how retarded TikTok kids are. To be completely honest though, he (she?) completely set himself up for this by posting on TikTok so I don't feel bad at all. You draw a bunch of lewd images and porn of characters zoomers will recgonize and be nostalgic for, on an app well known for it's young userbase, don't be surprised if they start chimping out over it.

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wow i am not even half-way through it and this makes me so mad. This poor woman got tons of shit for absolutely no fucking reason. I wonder why this happens? Mossa draws loli guro openly and he's still respected by the twitter community, meanwhile this poor girl cannot draw a fucking shitpost comic of some blob and a cocodrile without being called a pedo. Why is it always women, or artists that draw a content targetted at women, being called out and targetted?

No. 1700945

isnt the artist ESL? considering how skilled they are compared to the average western zoomie artist i can see them being completly oblivious to western faggotry. It's a shame she had to excuse herself.

No. 1700960

The trick is to not give a fuck. Online harassers are like animals: they can smell weakness.
Someone accuses you of being a zoophile? Laugh at them. Someone calls you a pedo? Oh, fuck off. And so on.
Oddly enough, it works.

No. 1700964

i understand, but i cannot imagine it not affecting your mental health in some way, i wasn't expecting the comments calling her a pedo/zoo to have thousands of likes… that's fucking depressing.

No. 1700988

Did you hear it from that guy who draws PASWG style street fighter fan art?
His works make my blood boil.

No. 1701085

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It started with referencing is ok. Then straight up copying is ok because no one owns anything. Then using 3D models/assets or photobashing everything is ok. Then tracing is ok. Then using premade brushes to stamp hands and eyes like you're Tim Buckley is ok. Now AI is ok as long as you act ironic about it, kek.

Not necessarily against most of these things it's just funny and I wonder how far it will go. Artists have never been more apable to learn and stunted by shortcuts and lazy tricks at once.

No. 1701294

HypnotistSappho is a tranny, nonna.

No. 1701300

>Springtrap pfp
>Woman that draws femgazey yaoi content
Why are fnaf fans so based?

No. 1701407

anon is probably deeply retarded and thinks the rise of ''female'' predators is actual women and not trannies. Female predators arent ''getting away'' with being predators, that's just a MRA lie. Female predators are treated even worse than male predators, that's why female shota artists get called out more than loli male artist and why >>1700917 got called a pedo for a shitty comic

No. 1701457

Do people still talk about wacom? I’ve had them for years but using other brands and stuff I can’t think of a reason why pen, not display, but the pen tablets cost as much as an iPad. Idk they feel like the apple of drawing tablets

No. 1701490

I dont really have much of an opinion on anything but I felt like sharing my observation that everytime I come across shota, by come across I mean being in a manga reader site and spotting a shota manga among all the other recently uploaded or popular manga, it's obviously male gazey and 99% of the time mixed with some older sister or big titty mommy character.

No. 1701498

Have you seen his twitter he’s a typical gay furfag he just got popular by exposing 12 years olds tiktok to furfaggotry

No. 1701506

I am just too much of a loner to socialize much so nobody even knows I am female.
Uploading fanart since 2006, never had a call out.

No. 1701507

I'm still using the wacom tablet I bought 10 years ago. They don't make 'em like this anymore.

No. 1701509

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It worked though. Which leads me to wonder if it is worth having that many followers even if they are all zoomies.

No. 1701519

Everytime I see people posting such accusations it's fucking instagram, which attracts IMO the same brainlets as tiktok. The central issue of both places is that they are much, much more mainstream and casual than other, more fandom centered places. Even twitter is way, waaaay more fandom centered than these places. Twitterfags are mostly hybrids with a political and a fandom oriented side. Instagrammers and tiktokers are just fullblown normalfags that don't even have a concept of fandom.

Artist is mainly a fujo I know. She's drawing sfw shipping art, mostly of Optimus and Megatron or some anime. Complaints I see a lot are "Why?", "BUT THIS IS A CARTOON!?!?", "Why are you showing me this".
This not only reveals that they don't know what a fandom or shipping is, they are also not aware of what algorithms are, since they are often asking shit like "Why do you want to show me this?", not understanding that it's not the artist that chooses to make a pic appear on some rando's timeline.
In short, it's stupid normalfags. This is why those places are shit since they throw all types of people together that should never meet.

No. 1701526

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i'm really curious to know where he's from
i legit believe gringos give more shit to foreign artist than they do their own. The exception is like, idk shitty discord servers with "inclusive" retards that eventually dox eachother over saying the wrong thing
but even them i feel like a lot of them HAVE to cover for eachother when they fuck up due to their contradictory and vague silent rules, otherwise they would have like fifty callouts each

No. 1701538

Why are 80% of female pose models wearing high heels or standing on their tip toes? Sometimes I feel like I’m better off looking at stock photos as reference

No. 1701550

This is 100% the case but it’s not a matter of foreigner vs non foreigner, people just love dogpiling. I explicitly remember one of the morons shitting on an artist for drawing a spiderverse character with “too light” skin later retweeting and praising ugly fanart (that their friend drew) of Zoro from One Piece with neon lemon yellow “racist caricature” tier skin. Both instances boil down to a matter of stylization but only one person gets a 10 million likes quote tweet callout for racism. It’s all arbitrary bullshit they want to play victim with. If someone they like does it, it doesn’t matter.

No. 1701565

yeah that's why people arent defending shota itt, only women drawing shota, which are extremely rare and when they do it's something like kuroshitsuji.

No. 1701642

I don't hold women in moid standards, I hold them in human standards. This isn't even about shota but if you find yourself looking at rotting mammal carcasses as reference to furnish your jjba toilet human fantasies, maybe you will benefit in staying offline for a while. Sure, women disproportionately do not harm others compared to men. But you can harm yourself from consuming degen shit kek. This is coming from someone who got exposed to moid lolisho rape of anime characters I watched as early as 10 yo. Which sent me to a rabbit hole of getting off to unhealthy rape shit I'm trying to wean off today. I'm not based just because I get off on things that men normally get off to kek.
Beyond that we're just some anons in an image board. We do not hold power to stop you or anyone else from doing what they want.

No. 1701644

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being a shotafag saved me from being groomed when i was a tween. If i were one of those DDLG/maledom freaks like most of my classmates were(some who were groomed) i would 100% have been groomed too. That's why i would rather women be shotafreaks than maledom/ddlg freaks/male-gaze artist. Realize how the hatred t's always towards women drawing gore/shota, never towards the women drawing bdsm/male-gaze art/ddlg/maledom shit, which has actually hurt people irl(women) and is way more normalized and accepted than women into shota, which are like one in a bazillion.

No. 1701654

It may have saved you from being groomed (lol) but it didn't save you from being a retard this isn't fujo chan you fag stop derailing the thread.

No. 1701664

it's not derrailing, i am talking about the hypocrisy between women being allowed to draw maledom/ddlg/male-gaze/bdsm because it's fetishes approved and normalized by men but people losing their shit when a woman draws gore/shota or art that doesnt pander to the male-gaze. Either women are allowed to draw all freaky shit(like men) or none.

No. 1701674

Also there's shota art that's just a youthful boy but otherwise not infantalized. And then there's just shota content that is specifically about getting off to them being minors.

Kek I don't like them too. Anons were just shitting on a pickme woman artist in the previous thread.

No. 1701678

A lot of terminally online women grow up liking shota, but most of them outgrow it. The ones that grow up to become shotafags have problems. And why is gore lumped in with pedoshit?

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how is gore different than shota? the absolute stacy drawing toilet dio isnt going to go turn men into human toilets, just like how yana toboso isnt going to go rape children. Women are capable of drawing the most heinous shit and not commit crimes. Men cant even play fucking videogames without getting their wires crossed and shooting people.
that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.

No. 1701688

I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything. That shit shouldn't be exposed to kids until they fully develop their brains in the first place.
>that doesnt change my point, one is way more popular than the other, one has actually hurt women, the other has like one anime(kuroshitsuji), and it's the least popular fetish amongst female artists. Pic rel is miles worse than a female shotafag, actually encourages abuse, and has 200k followers.
Then I suppose you're not really complaining about nonas shitting on shota here but more so the general culture. Again, I don't like them either. Though it's not the time for whataboutism. I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
Again, I'm not gonna mail your president to stop you from making that content if that floats your boat. I don't know about other anons, but my goal posting this is, if not to convince you, then others lurking to change their minds about it.

No. 1701697

People just think it's a guy because she doesn't announce she is a woman and is a degenerate it's pretty clear her drawings are fembrained and yaoi themed despite the degeneracy, if you're horny online but it isn't because of Leon Kennedy with a fat ass or something that makes it clear you're a woman people just think you are a guy. I can't be the only one that believes this, but again lolcow is retarded and some farmers thought that Lacryboy was a genuine scrote.

No. 1701705

>I don't think getting exposed to shota as a tween completely saved you from anything
believe it or not, it did. I used to expend most of my time on fb groups for retro games and anime so ended up developing friendships with older teens and men at 14, they would try to groom me and i would just respond ''ewww noo you arent my qte shota husbandoru!!!'''. If i was into ddlg shit i would have definetly been groomed into finding older men attractive and romantic, as many classmates my age did. I literally rejected all those faggots not because i realized how predatory it was, but because they werent my cute shota husbando(at the time), kek. I love you Kenny, thanks for saving me from gross men.
>I firmly believe something's wrong, either with yourself or the culture you live in, once you start associating mutilating humans as a sexual thing whether you're a woman or a moid, whether you act on it or not.
we are talking about fetishes, if you have any fetish there is something inherently wrong with you, normie couples have missionary once a month out of commitment for a reason. I never said guro wasn't wrong, just saying a woman drawing guro/shota is miles better than a pickme glorifying how her boyfriend abuses her, the latter has real life consequences, whereas the shota/gurofag isnt going to go murder men and rape children.

No. 1701722

My nona in christ. Anime shaped my artworks and tastes and I'm still gonna tell you there's plenty to criticize about it and it's community. I can argue you minors like us getting easy access to sexualized content (lolisho or otherwise, anime or otherwise) was the first step in the grooming pipeline. Hell, I didn't have to be into ddlg, I had my own shota husbando when I was a kid and yet I was susceptible to being manipulated if it weren't for my sister stepping in. In my case, getting exposed to lolisho content at a young age primed me to think children/girls and their vulnerability is desirable to be exploited. I'm glad you found a way not to get further exploited by males but it doesn't work that way all the time kek.

No. 1701727

I wasnt into lolisho porn like you, just into shota made for and by women, like south park fanart and kuroshitsuji. Always hated shota made for men, like boku no pico. Ofcourse you are going to become a pickme retard with raping fetishes if you grew up with pickme retard tastes made for and by men. That's why i am defending female artists being allowed to draw whatever they want, not lolisho specifically. Thankfully i managed to dodge both retarded female adoctrination propaganda like shojo, and male adoctrination propaganda like everything else. I am not going to deny i am a degen, but i am happy being a male ryona/femdom degen, and not a maledom/male-gaze/ddlg pickme retard. I am sorry you are the latter, i dont envy you.

No. 1701741

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Just found someone charging $90 for editing pokemon sprites, if I knew people are open to spent that much on them when I was 12 I would've gotten rich kek I used to do sprite edits all the time.
The only ok thing on this sheet are the portraits since they seem made fully from scratch, but that price tag is still too big considering their size and limited colors.

No. 1701802

What's the problem with you shotafags?
They behave like apes at the slightest criticism. It doesn't matter if you have never "touched a real child" in your life, you have questionable taste and deserve people to look at you strangely for that. So you better put up with it, because when they put you on the defensive like that you look like the men you criticize so much.

No. 1701818

The "original styles" rings a bell. Is this the Twitterfag with a large following all because he does nostalgic Earthbound-style sprites?His friend circle fucking sucks.

No. 1701825

The post just showed up on my recomended page so I dunno who that guy is, but yeah when I checked his page he has like 40k followers.

No. 1701839

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They were calling this CP? I'm out lol

No. 1701845

just checked and it's not the same guy but damn their styles are too similar

No. 1701885

They want to seem morally correct in some way by using their gender as a shield out of guilt for flicking it to little children

No. 1701896

You were attracted to shotas as a tween because they looked yoir age smart-ass.

No. 1701903


it's one thing to consume lolisho when you're a kid and eventually grow out of it when you become and adult. it's a phase.

what people are trying to say here is that if you're an adult woman who's still into lolisho then you're a gross degen because you should've grown out of it ages ago and even though you're not acting on it you're still getting off to/attracted by the representation of a child which is fucked up at the very least.

No. 1701926

no, i just hate you people jumping to say ''omg you are as bad as men, double standars!!!'' like retarded MRAs. I am not even a shotafag, i just defend women drawing whatever they like, and if freaks like >>1701684 are allowed to draw their disgustign shit, so should the 2 or 3 female shotafags and guro artists. I am just putting it in perspective, and female shotafags are genuinely the lesser evil when people like the author of 50 shades is given the green light to make it a movie. I repeat, more women have died thanks to pickme behaviour being pushed by media, than any child or male has been hurted by shota/gurofags. I will stop surporting female shota/gorefags when people stop defending bdsm art as ''a kink''. Until then, men deserve to be cosified too.
everyone else was into bishies so idk. kenny is canonically like 9 and when he was my husbando i was 14/15. do you think that agegap IRL would be normal? I just liked cute boys, shrimple as.
do you think yana toboso is a pedo? some women just like to draw cute boys, nothing wrong with that. Men drawing loli are 100% perverts, though.

No. 1701946


Women who draw/consume shotashit are weird and disgusting, they need to grow tf up and its okay to laugh at them imo. But the men who make and get off to the same shit will always be worse because they use it to justify being real life pedophiles, justify their warped beliefs that women expire when they reach the age of consent, and they will hurt a child eventually. So kind of agree with both sides here. Kennynona, why not project those feelings onto a grown up version of your husbando. There's plenty to choose from.

No. 1701954

The price is fine if people are willing to pay it. If you’re only charging $30 for something like the bottom left you should respect your own time and charge more for your art

No. 1701955

>why not project those feelings onto a grown up version of your husbando.
that's retarded, imagine if moids cared this much about some character's age. Most waifufags have waifus that are at most 15. At this point i have realized that no matter how you sugarcoat it, as long as you are female or drawing female gaze art you are going to be nitpicked to death like >>1701839 . So why not just say ''fuck it'' and do whatever we want, like moids? we are going to get judged more harshly anyways, so might as well just rip the bandaid and own it.

No. 1701975

Agreed. I'm sorry, but I just don't give a shit if some nerdy women like writing fanfiction or drawing fan art of South Park characters.

No. 1701996

i will genuinely only start caring for female shotafags when
1-people, specially women, stop justifying BDSM as a safe kink
2-mainstream media stops pushing gross maledom shit to women(fuck literally all romance shojo shit)
3-men actually start being scared of women and not only use the ''female teacher pedo'' boogeyman when they are trying to justify women being totes as evil as men
4-women stop being called out for the dumbest of shist that moids do on the dozen
until then, female shotafags drawing south park boys kissing is the lesser evil and hold less risk to safety than some pickme retard glorifying her boyfriend treating her like shit and saying to men ''see? women LIKE being choked!!''. If being considered worse than a shotafag helps a pickme stop drawing male pandering shit that actually hurt women, then so be it.

No. 1702022

When will anons realize genders flock together on social media and women have common sense to call out degeneracy, whereas men would rather partake in it

No. 1702029

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>women have common sense to call out degeneracy
except they dont, women never call out actual pedos or men drawing disgusting shit, they call out other women drawing mildly degen shit that's harmless. I don't care if pickme retards feel morally superior for calling out a girl drawing south park yaoi, i will always side with the south park fujo. Mossacannabis has 300k followers, where is his cancellation? but nah, those retards would rather cancell the ranfren TIF for drawing swastikas or that webtoon chick for drawing gentle femdom.

No. 1702035

Women only call out degeneracy if it's by other women kek. This talk happened one or two threads ago but moids don't care if you call them out on their degen shit because they're proud of it and often get their whiteknights to to attack you back while women tend to fold much faster if dogpiled on with accusations hence why we always see women fighting and calling out each other online for the most ridiculous shit and moids get to thrive with an actual following.

No. 1702036

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Could you recommend any low cost screen recording program? I'd like to record small snippets of how I draw hair or something. But my computer is shit and lags when I'm using heavy record software.
Extra points if the software have editing tools aswell

No. 1702038

how about obs? i use davinci for editing but dunno if its too heavy

No. 1702041

mossacannabis is followed by professionals like dave rapozza and other professionals too. Moralfagging over drawings only applies to women.

No. 1702044

Women call out other women because they are women spaces. Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do
OBS is free and you can control the size of your screen, so you can crop it to certain parts of your canvas if you'd like

No. 1702047

>Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do
yes they do, retard. There are a shit ton of female pickmes following that retard. He's also a huge artist, not a small coomer artist with 50 followers, he's followed by fucking professionals for god's sake.

No. 1702049

Okay then go make the callout post if you're so bitter so that women don't call out men. I'm just explaining to you why they don't.

No. 1702052


>Women don't follow these gross men, only other men do

Lmao you have a really innocent view of callout culture online then. Besides even if you don't follow them, one of the people you follow does and so their shit will appear on your TL because the algorithm will push it to you. In all of my years online be it on Twitter or Tumblr or whatever every time I saw a big callout rolling in it was women attacking other women with accusations ranging from reasonable to fucking stupid nitpicks nobody cares about, meanwhile moids with actual pedophilic fetishes get to freely advertise themselves, form a following or even get into the professional scene and almost nobody even lifts a finger against them. Women attack women because it's easier. Moids don't care about callouts because they're proud of their degeneracy and they know they have a bunch of coomer whiteknights to fall back on.

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You have been at this for like, days now kek, let it rest you obsessed sperg.

No. 1702059

Again, be the change you want to see in the world. If I have to keep seeing this take in this thread for weeks on end, then why don't you guys just do something about it? There's clear reasoning behind that moss guy being a pedo, and I'm sure women would be on your side. Men don't care though, so they won't listen. He'll keep his audience, but that's not womens fault

No. 1702060

Fair enough. It's still weird to thirst over fictional little boys because pedophilia is so normalized and partaking in something adjacent doesn't fix the problem? Pedophile men also lack a gender preference because their "attraction" is just destruction of innocence, so they'll probably get off to some nerdy girl's South Park fics too. But I agree that men drawing lolisho will always be worse, and that BDSM is inherently abusive.

No. 1702064

I hope this Mossacannabis fag goes the Shadman route and becomes a homeless heroin junkie kek

No. 1702067

it's literally not true though, specially not mossa, who outside of his baraag draws appealing sfw art. I have several female mutuals following him who mostly draw men. I don't see the point in cancelling a moid when everyone knows neither he nor the people that follow him care, people will always make excuses for male artists. Dragonmaid it's extremely popular with zoomer girls for some reason, have they ever stopped watching it or called out the moid author for his loli fetish? nah, they would rather callout lardasses thots with onlyfas for cosplaying the obvious pedoshit loli character.

No. 1702069

I'm not saying it's necessarily the women's fault that people like Mosscannabis exist, I'm just explaining why it's bullshit to say women have "more common sense to call out degeneracy" and that most women on the online scene are more willing to harshly condemn other women for shit that's usually meaningless or "offensive" than to turn on a moid who actually creates harmful content or behaves in harmful manners.

No. 1702071

lmaoo remember when that guy minus8 came out as a fucking pedo who fantasizes about irl children? it was at the same time as the kooleen drama, and art drama youtubers would rather make 30 minute sperging videos about kooleen's ''racist behaviour'' because she didnt want to draw uggos or something. None of them did a video on minus8 even though he's one of the most popular online animators. Cancel culture simply doesn't apply to men, that's why shadman was allowed to draw irl children getting molested for years without anyone calling him out.

No. 1702075

Tell your mutuals then that they're supporting someone like him. I'm not saying women don't commonly call out other women while not calling out men, but I'm just saying there are reasons why. And e-thots who cosplay underage anime girls suck, but women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general. Also, your posts are incredibly obvious because of your capitalization, nona.
You guys are right in that cancel culture doesn't apply to men. Women are easier targets because they have less power than men. But I still think both should be called out rather than just focusing on one or the other. I don't get why people are whining that women call out other women instead of men, when they should focus on just calling everyone out instead. Sure, this is the artist salt thread where you're meant to be salty about it, but it's redundant to see everyone say the same five things over and over without discussing any ways to fix it

No. 1702078

Tbf, minus8 having a pedo meltdown happens every year or so. He's as self-loathing as he is attention hungry. He's been posting the same Nintendo EPI shit online for 15 years so if he hasn't been called out by now, he won't ever be.

No. 1702080

shadman was only really called out for being a shitty friend to his newgrounds' friend groups. Especially when it has to do with Oneyplays. (this is a derail though, and not art related.) It's weird how much male degen artists are praised and never really in trouble

No. 1702086

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So, who is going to do the mossacannibalism call out post? I have access to his baraag and can provide screenshots, but I don't have twitter because I only publish on pixiv.

No. 1702089

Minus8 did that one disgusting Ankha animation right. Maybe I've been living under a rock but what does EPI mean?
I can name so many sick fuck male artists who get away with vile shit. It just confirms that callout culture in art/fandom spaces is a misogyny problem; it is only used to harass and silence women who were often victims of grooming themselves, once they hit the male-established expiration date where it is no longer socially acceptable for women artists to have a platform.

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you read my post about women cancelling thots for cosplaying kanna, while making excuses about the original source(made by a man) being totes wholesome and your conclusion is ''yeah, the thots suck!!''. You are the problem, nonny. People are complaining becaue only women are being called out, and not even for real reasons, just retarded nitpicks. Or do you seriously think the ranfren TIF did anything seriously bad to get cancelled over? c'mon, you are just justifying women gettig harassed, i have never seen a callout towards a woman be anything but nitpicks like drawing a brown character one shade lighter or some other equal retarded shit. Does anyone remember this girl? she got harassed for ''cultural appropiation'' to the point she deleted her account at some point. Imagine if twitterfaggots actually harassed lolifags with this much determination.
kek, literally no one is going to give a shit. People probably already know, it's not a well-kept secret.

No. 1702093

Do it yourself on a throwaway account. You have no presence or identity on Twitter so you have nothing to lose by exposing a freak. Turn off all Twitter notifications and be prepared to face a barrage of death threats because the worst thing you can do to a male is say no or criticize a fellow male who draws his jackoff material.

No. 1702096

>women don't have enough power to callout the men who make them in general
>cancel culture doesn't apply to men
>women are easier targets because they have less power than men

You're literally agreeing with them. If men get called out, people stop giving a fuck after 5 minutes and they still have loyal fans. Just look at men like Projared, or ZeRo (zerowondering) who admitted to sexting with and asking a 14 year old girl for nudes, left the internet, then backtracked 6 months later and said he never did it. They'll never reach their old success levels, but a lot of people don't give a fuck. If women get called out, everyone they knows goes scorched earth. It's the same reason why MtFs get millions of asspats everywhere they go, but nobody gives a fuck about FtMs. These women who call out other women for drawing shitty South Park yaoi but not freaky pedophile men who use literal CP as references because they are misogynistic handmaidens. Even if a woman wanted to call out somebody like Mossa, they'd be drowned out by his loyal coomers and pickmes. I also routinely see popular female artists (such as niceupdog) make vague posts about hating loli while regularly interacting with male artists who draw explicit loli porn of 10 year olds. I don't understand how the cognitive dissonance doesn't give them an aneurysm.

Just look at this from the last thread:
She said no NSFW and he drew softcore porn of her anyways. Do you really think it's worth it for her to tell him to stop and get his followers sicc'd on her, and possibly have her own followers turn on her?

No. 1702098

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EPI is coomerspeak for Early Porn Introduction aka the fetish for exposing children to porn. Minus8 is a popular artist for because of his simple, colorful style and obsession with Nintendo and other younger-skewing media. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with blending cute and sexy, but his jarringly kawaii pedoshit is the visual equivalent of a van full of candy.

No. 1702100

Thank you for the info but this pedo shit, basically a grooming fetish, makes me want to alog so bad. It explains so much about online spaces being infested with coomer pedo freaks who are constantly defended by their rabid fans.

No. 1702106

Remember that at the end of the day, loli, shota, zoo or anything 'degenerate' is ultimately just pixels on a page that have never hurt or groomed a single real person. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either miserable or jealous. You are valid for using porn to cope, and your favorite artists support your choice of self-medication. There is no such thing as a porn addiction.(bait/unintegrated)

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women arent doing this shit, it doesn't matter how much you try to compare male degeneracy to female degeneracy. We both know female shotafags arent drawing something as heinous as shadman/minus8/mossa, it's unfair to compare men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated to…this. That's why i defend the right for women to draw whatever they want, not shota specifically. I know women aren't capable of ever doing something as hideous as shadman unless they are pickme retards.

No. 1702115

We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain
Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with them, I'm just wondering why this point keeps getting brought up but remains stunted. Women tend to call out other women because (like many people on this imageboard for some reaosn), they're also more ingrained in "fandom culture" and talk about fandoms and art like it's politics. They take things too serious. But about the girl, she should mention that and his 100s of loli drawings. She could also mention him being a stonetoss supporter. There's many things, but I agree it would probably do more harm than good to her. Which sucks, because this should be considered sexual harassment to draw NSFW of the likeness of a real person without their consent.
>There is no such thing as a porn addiction.
What is this grand psyop kek

No. 1702118

>There is no such thing as a porn addiction.
>What is this grand psyop kek
that anon is either baiting or shitposting, what a weird af post.

No. 1702119

>We get it, women get called out more, shota is good and you like it but you're also not a shotacon, what else can we do about it or are you just going to keep complaining to complain
this board can be so dumb sometimes, i could repeat everything i say three times in bold letters and retards are going to misunderstand it anyways. I will repeat my points one last time. Women=/=men. Shota made by men=pedophilia, shota made by women=just cute boy shit like south park yaoi. BDSM/maledom/male gaze is worse than shota drawn by women, as it has actually hurt people(women) IRL. No, i dont condone all shota. No, i am not a shotafag, when i was a shotafag i was watching kuroshitsuji and southpark fanmedia(made by women), not boku no pico(made by men). Women never get called out for real problematic stuff, it's always dumb shit no one cares. Men never get called out and are allowed a massive following(even by industry pros) when they draw heinous stuff. People, specially some women, will make excuses to defend obvious moid shit(dragon maid) but then go harass women for doing the same thing(lardasses cosplaying kanna). From experience i am glad i grew up liking shota rather than misogynistic propaganda(kaichou wa maid sama, for example).

No. 1702120

Pretty sure it's ironic, kek.

No. 1702121

>men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated
nta but imagine having the guts to write this sentence just to whine/shitpost about people not liking shotas yet again, jfc

No. 1702122

lmao it's not about people not liking shotas, never was. Please learn to read. Also the >men drawing lolis raped and shred to pieces then urinated it's literally what shadman drew of the X-men underage actress.

No. 1702124

I agree with these points, and maybe others itt too but don't realize it yet. The whole infighting/callouts between women making problematic art feels like a smokescreen to deflect from men who are doing actual awful shit.
Probably but it came across as earnest or baity.

No. 1702125

>We both know female shotafags arent drawing something as heinous as shadman/minus8/mossa,
Nonna, I've come across more shota gurofags than softcore or vanilla.

No. 1702132

literally untrue, kuroshitsuji/south park BL has waaaaaaaay more fanart than shota gore. I checked gelbooru with filters off because maybe shotafags got real wild once i stopped following them, and there are only two pages and only ONE shota guro artist, of like the million of hyper realistic loli/woman guro artists. Stop lying just to try to win an internet fight, women will never be as bad as men it doesn't matter how many boogeymen you try to create out of thin air.

No. 1702134

What's wrong with anons agreeing with that post but still believing women aren't above criticism? I'm trying to find a direct post saying women are just as bad as men for liking degen.

No. 1702139

read last thread, there was a retard even blaming women for some tranny grooming children.

No. 1702152

Can we move away from the shota debates, it's literally only like 4 people engaging in this. Nobody cares, less than half the people in this thread actually draw anyway so it's not like their opinions will cause waves in the art industry anyway. Anyway, does anyone else despise procreate? I came back to Paint Tool Sai after ditching it for an iPad and it really wasn't worth my time nor money. I feel like paint tool sai is hardly used by anyone new, or anyone who's a non-asian artist. Procreate is so shitty and it takes up so much space that I can barely use it.

No. 1702159

I remember watching so many speedpaints on youtube of paint tool sai and being amazed. I was artistically obsessed with the selection tool and how it looked. I remember my first art program after MS paint was Paint.net, so of course getting the cracked Paint Tool Sai was like, touching gold for me

No. 1702167

There should be a fund to get a port of Sai to iOS. If it makes you feel better, Sai is still beloved by many Japanese artists. It's clunky and bare bones compared to almost every other program out there, but the brush engine is unmatched.

No. 1702188

I thought this was about the OddOnesOut at first.

No. 1702189

Ankha was zone.

No. 1702196

It is.

No. 1702201

Wait what? No one is saying his name with CTRL+F. I need a TL:DR because I don't know where to follow the replies.

No. 1702208

some artist drew that comic off oddsonesout netflix cartoon, the cocodrile and the white blob are underage so they were calling the artist pedo, even though the oddsoneout commented on the post

No. 1702210

Omg… Are people seriously calling two very cartoony drawings having maybe sex as being pedo material? This is so stupid. The people pushing that idea are fucking stupid.

No. 1702211

read the doc if you wanna lose the faith in zoomies, there were accussing her of pedophilia for drawing talking tom porn

No. 1702212

Yeah, I'm not interested anymore. This seems like some dumb virtue signaling without any actual proof of the person being a pedo. This isn't like Minus8 or Anubis. Twittertards really reach and attack anyone for the dumbest stuff.

No. 1702245

Do it nonna, make a list of all the popular artists/users who follow his accounts and post it here too because i’m interested. I think that if someone actually looked into ANY of these popular untouched lolicon moids and their followers they could find real pedos and connections, like what happened with the Giggly Goon Clown shit.

No. 1702268

The reason they're calling her a pedo is because the crocodile and "white blob" are the avatars of real people. The crocodile is one of the odd1sout friends he had in summer camp, meanwhile he himself is the white blob. It's like those coomers who draw porn of jaiden animations.

No. 1702372


I can literally sperg all day about how ass procreate is yet everyone is treating it like it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I hate how slippery the brushes are and how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures. people think they're hot shit for using such a weak ass program on an overpriced piece of machinery that can't even save files normally.
I also don't like how big professional artists touted it as being so accessible because it's "only $15" and people get suckered into buying an $800 piece of scrap metal and a shitty stylus just to say they have procreate and can draw with it.
But I think the thing I hate the most about it is how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch and making dumb tutorials on 'how to start an art/sticker business with procreate' making other, better resources harder to find.
There are way better free options out there and you can pry paint tool SAI and clip studio (though they're on thin fucking ice at the moment) from my cold dead hands. Fuck Procreate, and fuck iOS.

No. 1702394

OBS is very good and you can limit recording to specific fps (frames per second.) Lowering it to 3-5 fps might be better for performance and it will look better when sped up. Not sure if Canva has a watermark but I know they have a video editor but require an account. Seconding DaVinci if you can run it.

No. 1702395

NTA, but I personally love procreate. You don't need to come in here and try to tell people the art programs are better than others based on your personal take on it. For me, it's 1:1 and I like not having a delay. Also it's a one time purchase, they have great back compatibility for people who can't afford the newer tablets. Also not everyone has a desk area they can have a wancom on or an actual computer that can process photoshop and CSP. CSP is as bad as photoshop with charges. It is not free in the least bit.

No. 1702404

it's not even porn it's a goofy comic, james even commented on it

No. 1702407


Nowhere did I state Clip Studio was free. I swear, the reading comprehension is at an all time low.

It's good that it works for you, nona. It's the salt thread and I'm allowed to be salty about an art program. You don't need to come to its defense.

No. 1702408

i hate how procreate brushes only work on procreate

No. 1702421

Except everything you are saying is completely wrong.
>I hate how slippery the brushes are
Then adjust them
>how reliant it is on finicky hand gestures.
I've never used the gestures because any program that requires this, including phones, is garbage, so don't use it. It is not reliant on it at all, so I don't know what you are talking about. It's an accessibility option.
>how inundated we are now with 'procreate girlies' drawing shitty generic merch
You mean every single art program that anyone can use to create such merch

You just sound mad for some reason. These aren't critiques you think they are. You can have an opinion, but not when you're being personally mad about even something as simple as accessibility for people who could use it. Do you always use the talk-to-text on your phone? No, because you probably don't need that accessibility.

No. 1702461

Procreate may not be as robust as most paid softwares but it's 10 dollars. How much are you expecting out of software that cheap?

No. 1702479

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What are some mangas with incredible inking?

No. 1702487

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Another one I like. I realized I prefeer when mangakas use more western techniques.

No. 1702510

There are women only busses due to the problem of rape in Japan

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No. 1702534

yeah to shield them from moids, not other women. Genuinely what a retarded take.

No. 1702535

>called out for "propaganda imaginery"
lol. lmao, even

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No. 1702612

You seem so have some serious trouble understanding that the rape and pedophilia comes from men and not women. Children are also protected mostly because of males. There aren't cases of serial child rapists who are women, there are almost no serial killers who are women, women don't harass men on busses or schools, the vast majority of pedophilia cases come from men.

No. 1702655

I don't have any gripes with procreate, but the ipad feels horrible to draw on. The heaviness of the pen, the glass screen (yes I know you can buy textured screen covers but that's an additional expense on top of an expensive tablet), the super small drawing area. It's just an ass drawing tablet for the price, it's a tablet that wasn't made for artists and it shows. Apple is great at marketing though.

No. 1702671

You should always have multiple references. You can outline photos the same way you outline over a model too.

No. 1702676

And its meticulously updated.

No. 1702687

Don't know why the procreate platoon decided to show up and get mad at you, but I agree. It's garbage, and even if you do turn up the smoothing on brushes, the bounciness of each lines feel clunky to work with for me. I much prefer Clip Studio Paint and Sai to Procreate. Somehow, I even prefer photoshop over it due to all the filtering you're able to do.
What does this have to do with thinking pedoshit is bad for either gender?

No. 1702727

>What does this have to do with thinking pedoshit is bad for either gender?
I was replying to the anon who kept saying that rape and child abuse in Japan happens because of women, and that's why it's bad for women to be into some kuroshitsuji type shit. The fact is that women aren't the ones committing 98% of violent crimes, and women who actually abuse children are extremely rare. You can think that it's still bad but that won't change the fact.

No. 1702731


They came outta the woodwork after I shared a sentiment on procreate and proceeded to come to its defense because I don't like it. Feels like twitter behavior, but I'm not going to entertain it any further than that.

has anyone here tried bluesky for art? i don't have one and I'm sick of moving from one shitty platform to another but i'm wondering if anyone has any experience with it so far.

No. 1702740

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the new lol character literally a restrained girl. what the fuck. of course, people are already drawing her lewd and shit.

No. 1702746

The idea could make for a cool horror-themed character but the design they gave her is just coomer material

No. 1702749

What manga is this nona?

No. 1702750

I actually like the idea of a restrained monster girl.
But it's not what she is. They went 200% coomer bait with her. She is a 1000 years old vampire underage loli who walks by swaying her butt, moves by showing her feet, and has a cringe "uwu" personality. I really dislike her because she's wasted potential.

No. 1702754

The climber has a better art style despite being an older work for some reason.

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No. 1702760

This. The pose and face they chose for her tells it all.
They could have made her a guy but men wouldn't be interested in that

No. 1702814

her other drawings look ok, but in this one you can really see how everything crumbles apart from lack of fundamentals. rendermaxxing at its finest

No. 1702852

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Maybe cause it’s made 100% digitally now? Stuff like that can make some art look stiff in my opinion

No. 1702853

This shit has 2M views? Lol

No. 1702862

File: 1695243822366.jpg (355.73 KB, 1440x1280, 20092023060147.jpg)

It's a yt short, of course it has 2M views. Pic rel are their most viewed shorts vs their most viewed videos.

No. 1702864

Why tf is she barefoot, all the official images of her have some focus on her feet or toes. Shes got long monster claws on her fingers but not her toes? Cowards. She’s so painfully generic even has fucking booty shorts, besides the pillory thing but even that has no cool thought into it it’s just a boring edgy design that comes off more coomerish than monsterish.

No. 1702878

Fair point. But I wasn't talking about the stiffness specifically, more so the character designs and anatomy. Ths climber looks very realistic and has amazing detail, while innocent and everything after it looks animu but with some realism ans detail here and there.

No. 1702879

File: 1695245511321.png (447.12 KB, 1500x1070, kotteri chronicles of seven ci…)

I think the best example of Eastern and western comic inking styles mixing is kotteri

No. 1702991

wow is this thread is almost exclusively gonna be about fucking boring fetish infighting now(/ot/ rule 7)

No. 1703273

File: 1695284119087.jpg (250.63 KB, 749x1073, 1e4bcd74fd5c2e5d5917b9e7e34bd9…)

It's a little scrotey but Ran to Haiiro no Sekai.

No. 1703278

File: 1695284813367.png (196.23 KB, 1024x1473, img000021.png)

shoujo nemu

No. 1703308

>a little scrotey
The MC is a 10 year old turning into a grown up version of herself through magic and the way her brother and her old ass neighbor act whenever they see her rubbed me the wrong way. The art is very beautiful but I couldn't make it past the third chapter. Does it ever get better?

No. 1703320

Arguable. Major spoilers for the story The doctor moid becomes the big bad and dies but the japanese fans and maybe the author has such a soft spot for him because he keeps getting drawn in romantic AUs with the girl kek.

No. 1703325

Also despite sexualizing a still underage girl (not referring to the child version, she's like 14 or 16 when she transforms age) the story focuses on her actual growth as a human being depending less on magic. It's a good story, would be better without the weird fan service, kek.

No. 1703365

What manga? Looks cute

No. 1703682

is it mahou shojo? that trope is very, very old. Reminds me of creamy mami and its copies.

No. 1703689

File: 1695336504755.jpg (353.39 KB, 799x1200, FAAUYIGVIAELutH.jpg)

it's by ohishi masaru, sadly his manga doesnt seem to be translated anywhere

No. 1703759

File: 1695340563818.jpeg (1003.71 KB, 1170x1782, IMG_9148.jpeg)

The wildly different arms are sending me. I hope the commissioner gets a refund kekw.

No. 1703784

how the fuck do people paint so well and suck so much ass at anatomy? where the fuck do i learn how to rendermaxx

No. 1703795

File: 1695342329863.jpg (136.62 KB, 728x1047, 31728_vol1-chapter-1-when-we-d…)

This is cute ty

No. 1703823

That's not good painting. It's airbrush shading and dodge burn over flat colors with a shit ton of filters and effects. Look at it for more than a second and any appeal it may have had crumbles. The arms look like they're made of clay and the legs turn into a quirky lemon slice to hide the artist's inability to draw legs. The hat isn't even on her head the right way.

No. 1703838

It's still pretty in my opinion, and hides the imperfections pretty well

No. 1703847

File: 1695345548142.jpg (155.44 KB, 728x1037, 31728_vol1-chapter-102-comment…)

Anon.. how could you do this.

No. 1703855

Did the alligator bite off his penis or is thr blob female? I’m confused
I didn’t know she left the internet. Her work was a cool interpretation of Native Americans and I remember some actual natives stuck up for her.
You can import Photoshop brushes to Procreate anon
What are Western inking techniques compared to Eastern? I don’t ink but the mage manga you posted has been a fun read. Watching her ink traditionally makes me jealous.

No. 1704049

I'm still mad this artist got run off. By some bitch who would appear on an aryan propaganda poster too oh come ON, we can't ever have cool native art without the "my great grandma was a cherokee princess and this offends me!" people chiming in. So many natives actively praised the art style but of course every minority who disagrees with a twittertard is a token or something

No. 1704144

I was thinking the same thing when I reached that page. Truly a tragedy.

No. 1704149

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Mfw when

No. 1704177

I'm not an artist but I tried drawing something today on ibispaint and all it takes to make it look decent is using the correct brushes and blending modes (burn, overlay, multiply etc.)

No. 1704192

That's just an abuse of "add" blending mode

No. 1704218

It's not but I felt that in spirit. Being a fan of fancy lala myself! It's very whimsical.

No. 1704275

Awww nonna please stop using burn and add layers right now, that hurt to read

No. 1704324

You know, I just got ibispaint for my phone, and it's so much easier than a non-screen tablet. Between that hand-eye coordination game and lousy brush settings I pinned the reason my art previously looked bad (line quality was crap and squiggly.) I notice eastern artists like using layers on blending modes to paint, whereas western artists are more prone to painting manually on one layer.

No. 1704441

tbh half this image looks like free downloaded brushes from Clip Studio (the prism effects, water effects). you could start there lol

No. 1704444

Use backlighting. Super easy: drop in a layer of shadow color on a multiply, linear burn, or darken layer. Then erase the edges for the light. It doesn't matter how crappy your drawing is, if you shade with backlighting, it'll look cool. Add light bloom on top for extra coolness. Rendermaxing is all about making light look really bright, and you can't do that without darks. Most people are afraid to shade with really dark colors.

No. 1704456

How do people lack so much quality control when it comes to commissions? The general style isn’t really for me but I can see why people would like it, but not fixing the character’s right arm/hand feels so inexcusable with how jarring the difference is. I’d be embarrassed to present this to someone who paid me.

No. 1704523

No. 1704791

>>1703759 reminded me of picrel. Does copy and pasting a glitter texture and adding another layer for effects really takes you 3 hours?

No. 1704793

File: 1695435909727.png (561.3 KB, 576x770, Screenshot_20230922-232145~2.p…)

Samefag I forgot the picture kek

No. 1704801

I don't actually use them, I just listed them as examples lol. But I do use them when I'm working on an already existing drawing that I want to change the colors of.

No. 1704815

this looks good. what am i suppose to hate about this?

No. 1704850

No one told you to hate it, just that it's funny minimal changes were made despite it claiming it took another 3 hours to make left look like right

No. 1704883

NTA, but I don't think you understand how long rendering takes. Not to mention just base lines and colors with minimal shading or anything took her 45 minutes. She works slow from the looks of it. Artists usually do these side-by-sides anyway as a way to help themselves keep track of speed progress and share it.

No. 1704886

Still funny

No. 1704967

those don't look like minimal changes, looks like the artist put actual effort into the reflection of the dress

No. 1704968

does accuracy training actually work? it seems a bit insane, but i have seen many pro asian artists shill it

No. 1705186

tldw but it looks like he's doing some basic observation drawing exercises. What's insane about it?

No. 1705191

It's not funny when you're the one who can't grasp basic art and no one agrees with you.

No. 1705274

Yes, but it's not just an asian artist thing. I'd recommend picking up a book on observational drawing. There's this technique that he's doing where you find the negative space and basic shapes to map out the drawing. You measure the length between shapes (or things like eye, nose, etc.) and that will help you make sure everything is proportional.

No. 1705317

Yes it is. People don't have to agree with you always.

No. 1705441

You mean sight size or working from bargue plates? Those are classical atelier methods and I’d say yes they work.

No. 1705626

Thoughts on the dollightfull video? I think she's a little bit rusty, and the paint job incident is a bit sad. Especially considering that it was sooo preventable kek but overall the doll looked nice in the end imo

No. 1705632

her designs don't appeal to me and her high pitched fake voice is obnoxious. there's a lot more talented doll creators than her.

No. 1705659

Saged for slightly off topic but my goodness they destroyed Cleo de nile. One of her legs is supposed to have mummy-like bandages but instead it looks like self harm scars. I still wonder who thought it was a good idea the new designs of mh

No. 1705706

Looking at a lot of Dollightful's dolls you can visibly see the paint strokes used to change the skin tones. It's so thick and uneven and the nails she makes always look like garbage. She is pretty good at doll clothes, too bad she doesn't just focus on that. I really like Poppen Altelier personally because she's just a sweet lady making doll customizations and selling them with the help of her mother who makes the clothes sometimes. I think her mother is a professional seamstress? I also like Poppen because her doll customizations are so varied, I thought she did an amazing job with this one.

No. 1705786

I like her

No. 1705787

File: 1695524510946.jpeg (1.07 MB, 1170x1843, IMG_5189.jpeg)

Drawing an irl teenage girl as an instagram baddie is so bleak

No. 1705791

I haven't liked any of her recent videos. Shes really dropped off lately. Shes pandering to her fans super bad now, and none of her customs seem truly authentic. Like she just wants to make something to get views.

No. 1705807

I have no idea who the girl is but the drawing doesn't even look like the reference.

No. 1705812

I have become so desensitized to this art style. Everything looks the same. Its just people copying off eachother in an endless loop.

No. 1705814

i liked it, dollightfull is the only doll ooak creator i like, the rest are always making drag queen looking dolls or chasing trends instead of making their own characters

No. 1705831

her dolls are so rushed and sloppy as of late, whats the point in drawing concept art if you're going to slap unplanned & unfitting clothes on it half the time? she got me into ooaks but now I watch better artists like catmeleon

No. 1705848

I really used to like her pokemon series and in particular charlotte copperchain. I haven't watched in years now though, mshe kind of fell off I don't know what happened. She's okay though compared to like the drag doll artists. She's not glaringly so-bad-it's-offensive or shitty, there's just some better more talented people to watch or follow on instagram. She's just kind of washed up and that's not a crime or anything. I think anons are okay if they like her.

No. 1705857

Explain why

No. 1705911

File: 1695540182411.jpg (270.9 KB, 1220x1714, [18-03-19] 975837465347964928_…)

Does anyone know of more artists that post their studies?
pic rel is by @Af_Cf_

No. 1705932

So Michie/Twisted Disaster made a new update video and as per usual, she says some ridiculous shit and being melodramatic. I notice that in EVERY update/video she does, she always feels the need to talk about how something traumatic happened to her, how her previous year was "just awful" and waffle on taking forever to get to a point and thinking she's "uwu quirky" while doing it. One of the stupidest things she says in this video is her actually feeling the need to bitch and lecture her viewers that if you become a freelance artist, you can't quality for unemployment. No fucking shit, who the fuck actually believes that you would be able to get on unemployment as a freelance artist. She also calls herself a professional freelance artist and I have to wonder if "professional" is even accurate. The bitch takes forever to finish commission work that can span for year waits and while she does do artist alley at cons, I just have a hard time believing that she has swarms of people lining up to buy her derpy-tier looking merch. I just don't know if I would personally call her a "professional" but maybe I'm just being petty.

Another annoying thing she said in the video was how she said she doesn't like asking for things when it's like, I just don't believe that. I can believe that she probably doesn't like asking for things directly but I feel like she's one of those people who just tries to be boy when she wants something and tries to plant the seed in her much younger friend's heads.

On that note, I've been thinking that aside from Holly Brown, most of her friends are barely entering their 20s (and seem to mostly be troons), I can't help but feel that reflecting on her old video about toxic friendships where she mentioned that she realized her friends from school that she grew up with were all "toxic" and "horrible", I can't help but wonder if maybe she was the one projecting and that she can't handle being around people her age because they won't be as likely to be afraid to call her out on her lazy ways. That they won't tell her what she wants to hear and can even be blunt but to her, that just means they're being "mean".

It's just something I started to think more about after watching a few of her streams and hearing how her much younger friends treat her with this air of naivete and not being as blunt about things. Well with the exception of her TIF/Troon friend "Swayer" who clearly acts like an asshole in a pathetic ploy to come off more like a man. Anyway sorry for blogpost, I just find TD to be an enigma kek.

No. 1705933

>tries to be coy when she wants something

No. 1706025

File: 1695556362203.jpg (Spoiler Image,915.57 KB, 4096x3638, kisaniyav.JPG)

>one of tomatomagica’s recent artworks
I don’t get it, is this not a loli…? I guess I just assumed she’d hate this kind of stuff

No. 1706029

genuinely what did you expect

No. 1706031

File: 1695557676967.png (1.78 MB, 1647x1717, small bean uwu.png)

Semi related but I can’t stand this artist. Her whole identity is just being a pickme, and built her entire following around being an internet shut-in’s dream gf. I honestly wonder if her bf emotionally abuses her, since all of her shit comes off as a massive cope + needing validation from other men.

No. 1706040

I mean I get it’s more obvious with her newer art kek, but I knew her for her pandering tumblr-era art and her hateboner for sailor moon (where she shat on it for showing teen girls naked during transformation and anime usagi’s relationship with a college guy), so I thought she’d be consistent with her basic standards despite the coombrain

No. 1706046

Wait THAT tomatomagica? The one that drew those cringy ass lovelive "redesigns"? What the fuck happened??

No. 1706056

i genuinely dont understand the point of pickmes, i am an ugly autistic retard and i have plenty of unwanted moid attention why would anyone willingly want to pander to them? they are all ugly and not worth it anyways.

No. 1706057

File: 1695561211776.png (692.98 KB, 1280x1060, 92bf668a3b5e210286784e49fc7c37…)

WAIT this is her old art?! holy shit i have hope then, kek. Interesting how she went from tumblirina steven universe disney mix to something that could easily pass as the art of some professional japanese illustrator. I wonder how it happened, her old art is so…western…looking.

No. 1706059

internalized misogyny

(forgot to sage)

No. 1706074

File: 1695563841108.png (10.31 KB, 505x211, scott.png)

I can fix her.
Also, ironically, women eat this shit up too. Yes pic rel is a meme. But it just shows how huge the couple market is for pickmeish #relatable content.

No. 1706076

File: 1695563920103.png (5.47 KB, 600x161, think-with-forms-6-lines-2-2-7…)

How can I improve at form drawing and perspective? I'm doing these exercises where I do crossectional drawings of simple household objects and I'm really struggling with them, I never know how wide the circles should be

No. 1706082

File: 1695565396085.jpg (316.92 KB, 2200x2933, design-your-own-mug-1116513_l.…)

like here. how do I know what the size of the base should be? or is it a matter of just practicing until you get a sense for it?

No. 1706108

>is it a matter of just practicing until you get a sense for it?
Unfortunately yes. When you're drawing and applying these guidelines it's not just about what you see but also what you can assume or know. In your example you can't see the entire base, so you will have to go off of a size that would make sense with the upper part. You already know it's a circle in perspective and that it's similar in size to the upper one so that's what you have to draw

No. 1706257

Pickmes with boyfriends are even sadder to me because clearly being picked is not enough

No. 1706298

at that point wouldn't that just be an attention whore?

No. 1706370

File: 1695588152124.jpg (238.62 KB, 750x712, comic.jpg)

Total tinfoil but I keep wondering if the boyfriend is real or just a character she made up to build her comics around, since that’s basically her entire online brand. She’s posted photos of herself, but never anything with him. I get exaggerating some moments for humor/clout, but sometimes I just can’t believe stuff like picrel lol

No. 1706373

She posted a pic of shadow silhoute of her and her boyfriend before. Some anon here claimed that she was able to find a pic of her boyfriend through investigating on instagram but she never posted.

No. 1706448

The boyfriend is probably just ugly or painfully average so doing a face reveal would ruin "the pretty anime boy who loves you" appeal of this content. That said, this dialogue sounds ai generated.

No. 1706464

Best website to sell physical art products Nonnas? Using Etsy is a struggle since everything on there is buried in Amazon crap now. Tia

No. 1706473

I think this has happened with a lot of artists because mainstream internet has become so much more coomer-oriented. It’s sad.

No. 1706510

Plus I'm sure with places like etsy, seller fees don't help. You could make your own site, though you'd have to handle all the marketing yourself.

No. 1706535

I want to start seriously learning how to draw to make art of cute and hot men but 1) I feel ashamed to try especially since I'm still a beginner artist and 2) I don't know where I'd get good reference images. Nonnas who are masters as objectifying men and/or shamelessly horny how do I reach your level? I'd prefer to draw softcore art but would probably learn how to draw dicks well eventually.

No. 1706552

I love drawing hot demon guys. A good source to practice is michael stokes' photos. Watch out if you venture too far you'll eventually find NSFW but on the surface it's just suggestive muscular men, 11/10.
Have fun with your journey nona

No. 1706617

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No. 1706642

gay porn

No. 1706645

I really am so burnt out from looking at all the same shit all of the time. Everyone tries to monetize it as well, there's nothing wrong with making bad art but thinking you're going to get famous off of bad art that you only ever copy off of other people who actually have any semblance of originality is tiring. I find myself going back to a lot of rudimentary Japanese artists, I'm not a weeb but at least it always evokes something sweet or calming. Im getting really bored with looking at the same stupid thing over and over without end.

No. 1706670

It’s just really fucking weird how pickmes like this will draw porn of themselves and constantly reference how much they look like little kids (who soooo don’t like it at all omg)

No. 1706676

Even if I thought this, I wouldn't post it lmao.

No. 1706708

have you considered opening an instagram shop? Mine does pretty well, tho you have to do your own marketing.

No. 1706961

interesting, guess i'll be drawing amputee porn with this then
thank you although i really do not want to see the buttsecks if i can avoid it

No. 1706979

Found this croquis channel that's focused on male poses, hope it helps nonny.

No. 1707057

this is very helpful, thank you so much!

No. 1707127

File: 1695661612454.jpeg (164.51 KB, 941x706, D69BB13C-12E9-4213-B50E-F71917…)

I rly like following @pikatstudies! Even tho she’s a programmer at Riot! she still takes art classes and continues to build her portfolio thru her studies.

No. 1707157

How do you manage promoting art and making it? I hate being the retweet and follow!!! type of artist I don't like pumping art to have followers and I have some art accounts(fandom alts) which are popular but I hate getting the engagementgendies I just want to post art let people enjoy it and piss off not keep promoting it and being engaged with very dm I get. I feel like someone like me wasn't made out to be the content creator type..how do you all nonnies manage being a pr manager and a artist?

No. 1707166

Ot but this is so pathetic and narcissistic oh my god, how can people be into this trash?

No. 1707170

Yet people are drooling over it in games like BG3 when NPCs do it. It just seems like romanticizing self-fic. Self-instering isn't really new, look at Twilight. Not really sure where the narcissistic part comes in when that's the intention. Art involving yourself doesn't make someone a narc, either.

No. 1707187

i always though pika was a tranny

No. 1707198

I am struggling to ''draw for fun''. I can sit and grind for hours but once I try to sit and draw for myself I struggle not knowing what to draw, I cant come up with poses or anything interesting to draw, any tips?

No. 1707231

My bad, should've clarified what I meant by narcissistic. It's not the art itself but wanting someone to say bullshit like that to her because she wants it to be a reality that someone would dedicate their lives 100% to her. I know man bad but I think that line of thinking is retarded regardless of gender. But tbh I do find self-inserting weird, too.

No. 1707237

I've been struggling with this too nonna. Honestly, if you have more fun grinding or doing studies, try concept art work. It's really fun if you take different things you want to study (like an animal, an article of clothing, or a model/person) and combine these ideas into one. You can try and use your imagination to come up with a design. It's also been helping me a ton by making up my own story and trying to draw scenes from it. Approach it little by little. If you want to study characters one day, come up with character designs that day. If you want to study environments, come up with environments that tell part of your story.

No. 1707352

File: 1695680123162.jpg (51.01 KB, 623x287, 20230925_160648.jpg)

Luxesbytes/vani is at it again but this time on bluesky. What a fucking idiot.

Did she think that because it's invite only she could dump her twitter and leave like nothing happened?

>calls herself kid.

>is in her mid 30s, nearly 40 kek

No. 1707354

I don’t really think it’s assholeish for an artist to not tell someone who their manufacturer for an item is, but apparently it is according to annoying zoomies. I don’t even care the reason for gatekeeping, I just like seeing people having fits and leaving 20 comments because they can’t do even simple google searches on their own, which is the minimum amount you will do if you’re actually serious about having charms or plushes made or whatever.

No. 1707382

File: 1695681754564.jpg (257.1 KB, 1500x1125, IMG-20200202-195112.jpg)

I love his art. I still have a beat up little book of his that I got when I was 13 and treasured so much

No. 1707385

Every time I see an artist claim she looks super young and gets confused for a kid, it's only because of their height and the way they dress so older adults can't tell. They never actually look younger than their age, idk why they try to do that so often.

No. 1707406


Anyone know her alts? I heard she got like 2 or 3

No. 1707437

lol what gave you that impression? Her twitters and twitch are free of gendered stuff as far as im aware and always seemed female presenting to me

No. 1707718

It's a lot easier to be creative within a frame, so give yourself a more narrow frame to work within. Instead of having a vague idea like "maybe I'll draw a summery girl" you make up specifics like "a blonde girl in a long dress eating ice cream while leaning up against her bicycle".
If that's also too hard to come up with, take a photo or artwork you like and make something derivative of it. Copy the pose or vibe but imagine it in a different context and outfit that you like better. Drawing "for yourself" doesn't have to mean "100% from my own brain" it could just mean making cute fanart of something you like.

No. 1707881

File: 1695734536767.jpg (141.88 KB, 1250x423, FDJyWirVgAAEa0U.jpeg.jpg)

Have you nonas seen the recent discussions on twitter about this weird webcomic called Sinfest? It's drawn by a man and used to be a daily comedic strip until he discovered terf talking points, which lead to its downfall according to prior fans of it. It seems like an insane rabbithole to go into, all the panels that I've seen shared don't resemble anything like a plot kek

No. 1707883

It has terf talking points but mostly the poster "white right wing" with super religious undertones. It's odd, is the author even white himself?

No. 1707884

Yeah I saw it on Twitter too. You should post some of the funnier panels lol. He has a lot of weird shit about alien immigrants too and seems obsessed with them. His panels about immigrants are so bizarre that it almost feels like satire especially the one with the crying alien kid.

No. 1707889

isn't he Japanese-American

No. 1707900

He considers himself a good immugrant and divides immigrants into 2 categories : bad immigrants who are drawn as aliens or some weird apocalyptic insect-robots and the good ones such as superman and that DragonBalls goku guy.

No. 1707909

File: 1695738645960.png (95.02 KB, 740x250, FNWOlrtVgAkBuot.png)

Right, it seems to me like he went from radfem points into alt-right shit and I haven't seen enough to get a feeling for what is going on in his brain and if he's even thinking about the real world or just too terminally online and wrapped up in delusions. It's also interesting how this comic has changed, in the beginning it was very different

No. 1707912

File: 1695738880674.jpg (48.58 KB, 650x265, F6iZXpvWYAACI0T.jpeg.jpg)

Random old comic I saw. Apparently these are the MCs but I don't really care to read more about it kek

No. 1707913

File: 1695738923654.png (809.42 KB, 941x600, 1693494196306.png)

While he's an extreme case, he's not unheard of. A lot of formerly left-leaning people switching to the populist right after the mainstream liberal gaslighting regarding addressing troon issues. Their logic being, "if they're being dishonest about this issue, then they are likely lying about everything." A lot of radfems and socialist in general are falling down this pipeline as well, I'm talking about life long communists praising Tucker Calrson. for e.g Kajsa Ekman (who wrote an excellent book regarding the state of prostitution and how it functions in Europe), but at the same time, she retweets and posts literal Russian propaganda and thinks Putin is justified in invading Ukraine.

No. 1707916

The war in Ukraine has caused some Europeans to be left leaning economically but right socially. Just because she supports Putin doesn’t mean she isn’t a communist, she just hates NATO

No. 1707921

Damn, I remember Sinfest before the author went down the radfem rabbithole. It was mostly just silly gag a day shit and was alright but I never really followed it. Then one day he started a whole plot about how the patriarchy is like the Matrix. That's when his fans turned on him. It also pretty much consumed every aspect of the comic and he started doing overarching plots and increasing the scope two fold, completely abandoning any semblance of humor or lightheartedness.

Really reminds me of an Dave Sim in a way considering both fell into radical rabbit holes (but Sim went the opposite route) and both are what I'd consider quite talented artists.

No. 1707956

File: 1695745028069.jpg (191.33 KB, 697x1280, comic1.jpg)

I think the Sinfest comics have been really on point.

No. 1707957

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No. 1707967

File: 1695746370094.jpg (146.06 KB, 1250x423, 2023-09-08.jpg)

This one is good also.

No. 1707970

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No. 1707971

although some of his comics are batshit crazy i really like how he colors also frankly glad hes calling out what a plague troonism is

No. 1707973

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Forgot to include the best one based on that arrest of the autistic girl in the UK who told a police officer "You look like my lesbian grandma" and they dragged her out the house crying and screaming to put her in jail.

No. 1707982

Am I the only one tinfoiling he's female? I don't know if I'm just being pessimistic but I doubt moids will understand radfem talking points like surrogacy, pornography, pimps and johns as much as he does.

No. 1707987

This isn't what is happening in classrooms at all but those backpack alt-right nazi shit is. This is so retarded. No winder twitter loves it. Its now an alt-right safe haven.

No. 1707992

He's allegedly married to a feminist woman.

No. 1707994

fair enough, the other way I can see is a woman hassling her nigel about it, kek.

No. 1707996

Or more possible, she's writing the stories and he's just illustrating. Its possible he's also easily molded by his girlfriend.

No. 1708006

In this possibility, I hope and glad she's safe under his name but also I hope he'd stop pandering to reactionary anti-woke crowd.

No. 1708049

I wanna make some paintings of my friend's pets and I wanna know exactly what I need for it to not look like shit. I have painted before but I just used paint, canvas, and brush. Pretty simple but I wanted to know if I needed other stuff that I'm not aware of.

No. 1708132

Genuinely nauseating to look at. I remember her being groveling after that one call-out post circulated about her old incest and loli drawings, saying things along the lines of “I-I promise I’m not like that now! I was 13 I didn’t know any better and I was groomed!!” Those must have been crocodile tears because she is absolutely shameless about it now.

No. 1708140

The termianlly online pickmes who make being short their entire personality are often some of the most crusty looking bitches who are just under if not average height. They want to be uwu irl legal lolis so bad.

No. 1708148

Probably been asked a million times before but do you guys have any advice for a first-timer on how to get commissions? Is it just a matter of making good art, offering commissions, and just hoping someone notices and asks for one? Also, what payment processor do you use? I have a paypal account I made years ago so I might go with that since I’ve heard it’s what most people use, but I’m wondering if there’s better options. Also, kind of worried about revealing my identity and potentially running into tax problems so any tips about that would be great.

I’m thinking I might try to appeal to people who want their OCs drawn. For anyone here who gets commissions, what are you usually asked to draw?

No. 1708179

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Artists are so entitled and whiny. This is why you are being replaced with AI lmao

No. 1708180

i dont get it did they steal the baby?

No. 1708188

??? Do they not give a deadline to the client? Do the clients buy without a deadline?

No. 1708203

A lot of it really is just posting your art and making it clear in your profile that commissions are open. And making a commission sheet to show people your pricing and what you're able to do/won't do. If you have art mutuals who can repost your commission sheet/art that helps attract new customers but it'll be a slow process at first until you build up an audience. I used to use PayPal and it was fine, but my commissions are a bit different as I make crafts/physical items versus illustrations so now I just take commissions over my own website/square. Again, a bit of a different beast for me but I get a lot of OCs and characters from video games/anime/etc. that people like. Good luck, nonna!

No. 1708215

Yeah, I've built my art presence on instagram, I don't have like 1k followers or anything, but I have a small circle of "regulars" who always like and comment on my stuff. I also engaged a lot with posting stories and talking to my followers a bit. I put myself out there and was able to get some commissioners, though I haven't been as active recently. Luckily, I did get that golden client where they can't draw themselves and want you to draw their OCs all the time kek. He's great. I did get commissioned by this scrote to draw nsfw, but it was a decent price too so worked out. He is incredibly patient as well. I hope you can find some clients nonna, especially dedicated, understanding ones. I use Paypal myself for payment. I have taken cashapp before kek

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There are so many mediocre artists out there with TONS of engagement, viewers, and followers…How the hell do people do it?

This artist has 15k+ followers…averages around 200 viewers on twitch every time she streams…and this art got 11k likes.

How do I reach this level of engagement?? I'm so bitter

No. 1708272

keep posting as much as you can. social media has turned art into a commodity so much as so that even the process is becoming a commodity (through tiktok).
its not for everyone so pace yourself accordingly, nonna

No. 1708376

I've done several commissions and I don't get this mindset from artists at all. If I took a whole month to finish a piece I'd be embarrassed as fuck for being so slow. If it's your primary income I get that you may need to secure clients beforehand, but then you should be extremely clear with when their timeslot is and when they can expect the work. Unless the art actually takes a whole month to finish because it's so detailed, but if it's just a "life gets in the way" kind of thing you're just being a dick. If you want people to take art as a serious job then treat it like a serious job and not a hobby you do here and there when you feel like it.

No. 1708397

Sell your soul and draw things that are popular, flavor of the month trends and popular ships.

No. 1708411

Exactly. It's a nice looking drawing of a fire emblem character in a wedding dress, I think there has to be some luck involved but it's clear why that would blow up on a site like twitter. The original tweet from march 2022 even got 21k likes. That artist is also a Vtuber, so the amount of viewers that anon mentioned makes sense to me since it's not just silent drawing but somewhat engaging content. Interestingly her insta and tumblr seem to be pretty small in comparison, I guess the twitter/twitch audience just doesn't care much about the quality of art beyond seeing their own waifus in whatever way

No. 1708442

I also have noticed these kind of people engage with the comunity A LOT and try to make as many friends as they can/join servers. Since most people in these groups feel a bit pressured to share the art since it was many by a friend, it breaches out quickly.
I recently started a Twitter (yeah, I know) and often see outright bad artists get +100 rts on their stuff and it's all because they became friends mostly with people who have +4k followers

No. 1708524

Usually the people bitching about clients pestering them for faster progress than 12 months are the kind of e-beggars masquerading as "artists" who sell shitty $30 emergency commissions with a sob story to pay rent (which they spend on new shiny fandom merch) but then ditch the commissions due to "mental stress" after getting the money. And since the amount of money spent is relatively small the client eventually gives up rather than attempts to fight it. It's a very common hustle. Actual professionals making real money with commissions (think $200+ per piece) know what's at stake and don't try to pull a fast one.

The original anon going "THIS IS WHY AI IS REPLACING YOU!!!" is a retarded cryptobro refugee though and shouldn't be interacted with

No. 1708526

>this weird webcomic called Sinfest
Man it hurts to realize you've been around long enough to remember when Sinfest made the shift from an iconic 4-panel gag comic with risque humor known by literally everyone online into the feminist format and faded into obscurity. It was a huge uproar in the online artist circles back then and it feels weird to realize it was more than a decade ago iirc.

I think the initial feminist narrative was pretty good and he reflected on women and our struggles pretty adequately for being a man, to the point I even wondered if the strip was being ghostwritten by a radfem girlfriend or something, but then he started slipping again towards the antivaxx conservatoid deep end and made the comic just a less white supremacist version of Stonetoss. Which honestly reflects what happened to a lot of online gendercrit spaces. His art is still amazing though.

Yeah, it's grim. At least I've seen some ex-altrighters openly reject their ideas and apologize for falling into the pipeline as vulnerable teenagers so I guess you lose some and you gain some.

No. 1708537

You weren't lying. He is batshit crazy. All his recent comics are about the great replacement and international Jewish conspiracy, far-right conspiracy theories. He makes as much sense as transgenderism.

No. 1708608

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Jesus christ the last time I read Sinfest it was still just about how prostitution and sex work dehumanizes women and now he's deadass drawing unironic comics about the great replacement conspiracy, anti-Ukraine and climate change denialist shit. What a waste of talent. His art is so good and he has great storytelling skills and they're spent on this. What the hell happened?

No. 1708611

He's not wrong tho.

No. 1708675

His comics now follow a short storyline. OP posted the follow-up with the two gay men. She was a surrogate for them and realized too late she wanted the baby while the gay men disregarded her as soon as her job was done.

No. 1708686

Is that byleth from fire emblem in a wedding dress? Making content of waifus is an easy way to get following, if a bit mindless if you yourself don't like it

No. 1708721

I think you're on the wrong site

No. 1708943

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>makes the most basic furry design you can imagine
> Do not color pick
> Do not reference
> There will be consequences

Why are furfags like this?

No. 1708969

Every time I see big, obnoxious watermarks on generic OC art I get the urge to make a collage of identical characters. The fuck are they going to do? Send the dog police after me?

No. 1709009

shotafag? kill yourself(a-logging)

No. 1709022

Do it kek. Especially if the artists are cows who will screech bloody thief at other characters that resemble a facsimile of theirs.

No. 1709024

The face looks like random blob of brown colors from afar due to the design and low contrast I need to zoom in and turn on my brightness to discern it properly

No. 1709066

Right at first my brain tried to see this as a horse not a dog, with the right ear being the horse's snout

No. 1709081

Nonnies who have ipads for drawing, what kind did you get? Like what size, storage, price, etc. Did you get an older model or shell out for something newer? Did you buy new or used? I’m a poorfag so getting a used/refurbished one is tempting… I’ve never had an ipad before though so I’m not sure what kind to get that would be best for drawing. (I do have a small screenless drawing tablet but I wonder if I’d do more digital art with something more convenient.)

No. 1709122

I have a 2nd generation ipad pro. It still holds up really well and I haven’t really had a desire to upgrade from it.

No. 1709149

I have one of the new iPad Pro's, with a 12.9" screen. I think given the choice you should go for the same size as me, it's decently big that it never really feels too small. I think if I'd got the smaller one, I'd feel like it's just slightly too small. I use Procreate and it's freaking awesome. It also records your process passively so you always have a timelapse you can export, I think it's nice if you post your art on social media or just think it looks cool to see it sped up.

No. 1709162

Hey did any of you watch this. It pissed me off so bad that I thought about overweight Twitter trannies dying. But I know they still exist. So my day is just ruined now

No. 1709167

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> I thought about overweight Twitter trannies dying
why not all? popular twitter art troons either turn out to be diapurfurs or pedos puppychan

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Every now and again this artist goes on some angry rant about other artists stealing her outfit designs or copying her art. But then recently she's even said that crediting her for style inspiration isn't "classy"? I've never heard of an artist getting pissed that someone credited them as an inspiration lol

No. 1709197

furries are something else
>be furfag into inflation
>commission some dude to make you an inflation suit
>dude fucks up the patterns of the suit
>he resells it and the furfag commissions him again
>fuck it up for the second time
>resell it again
>furfaggot gets angry because there are now two similar inflation latex suits with the same generic blue/red/white color combo

No. 1709203

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why are all popular wester twitter artists so fucking bad at art? i dont wanna start an east vs west debate, i know there are tons of talented western artists, but the popular ones are always so terrible at art compared to japanese artists who have less followers but are miles more talented.

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Really it's not just troons. It's mostly just bored fat teenage girls online.
I'm thinking of what this anon >>1700944 said:
>Why is it always women that draw content targeted toward women being called out and targeted?
Because it's mostly chronically online teen girls starting drama over fucking nothing, which is really a shame. Do you think a single one of those South Park profile picture accounts are run by someone with a penis? They're not even trannies. Well a lot of them are, but they're TIF/fakeboi/ftms.
People really need to stop giving a shit about what kpop stans and other worthless retards say on Twitter. Stop giving weight to it, these people haven't even graduated high school. I feel like all the YouTube drama channels that have cropped up since the mid 2010s are really contributing toward letting those types get their way because they include screencaps and sentiments regurgitated by them. They have no soul and parasitize everything.
They are vile, worthless people. And before you say "they're just teenagers" I would not have done what they do online as a teenager, and none of my friends would have. They are not going to "grow out of it". They never do. All these nasty Twitter ftm 15 year olds are going to either get really fat and move from place to place in hovels with other trannies for the rest of their lives while e-begging, or kill themselves. They will never contribute anything valuable to the world. Why are so many teens furries now? Fuck Gen Xers and Millennials for giving their kids unrestricted internet access

No. 1709205

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What's your opinion on Ohuhu markers? I own about 50 copics and I love them but I'm thinking getting some Ohuhu ones for practice drawings.

No. 1709206

Full offense to that woman, but her art is not unique at all. Unless someone was tracing exactly, her drawings are so Tumblr genetic that I wouldn't be able to tell her apart from other random artists.

No. 1709210

Such an insane situation. There are two streams with or about Chippledipple on his second channel, TomDark. I found them to be kind of interesting, in one of them he "debates" some guy who made a video saying Tom was spreading misinfo about the situation but when pressed he immediately folds and starts saying he was tired and didn't really think about it and says he's sorry kek twitter is just full of braindead people that say things without considering consequences because they never experience any. They don't live in the real world, they have no idea what the shit they are saying actually means and most of the time they don't even care if something they are complaining about really happend. Every so often I see callouts and then someone asks "What did they do? Where's the proof?" and no one answers but the accusation itself, even though it's baseless, is already heavy enough to force an apology

No. 1709213

i mean its goes both ways you also find some godawful art in the east thats popular too, most Popular western artist never improve? theyre stuck making the same suldge theyve making since it gets them follows i mean look at cyraine and ross fundamentally sure the illustration looks good but you cant get past the holier than thou attitude they have(aka kooleen) these artists cant understand that what may be good for them wont be for others look at naoki hes in the same sphere but he never changes the artstyle of the pieces he gets just corrects them to look good

No. 1709217

I know this is the salt thread but the art is fine. It's nothing amazing, but the general composition and colours are pleasant, and 15k followers really isn't that much.

No. 1709220

everyone involved its such an insufferable talentless faggot, but at least it's funny as an outsider

No. 1709221

Must stem from insecurity because her art is generic as fuck and she knows it

No. 1709225

Which part pissed you off nonnie? I was unaware of this drama and I just watched. Fractal county was such a douche and the misogynistic wojack shit was disgusting, but kek at him laughing at a fat fetish tranny.

No. 1709253

Kek that's true, I was surprised I hadn't heard anything about this or puppychan on here. It seems like those were two bigger situations in the community

Western artists oftentimes get popular for their personality or looks, not only the actual art. It's also just a completely different environment with very different influences, so the art that's made looks different. I'm kind of jealous of weebs and anyone who grew up with anime because their art started out as at least somewhat appealing while I was trying to imitate ugly ass tumblr and deviantart slop because I just didn't know anything else and as a kid I couldn't tell how bad it was

No. 1709263

they're good.

No. 1709357

Honestly I noticed the average western artist blows up because of memes, not much else (maybe coom and yet memes still top it). In every fandom I've been in you have very talented western artists with 1-5k and then people who post shitty but consistent doodles with the meme of the day/week with 30k or more.

I don't see this happening with asian communities, first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create. In the west if you're not grinding daily (which implies lower quality art) I've found that people get bored and constantly unfollow. Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.

It's not that western artists are shittier, it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.

No. 1709447

Draw with jazza has a video comparing them with copics if you haven't seen that/got your question after watching that

No. 1709454

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> Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create
nayrt but my mind is always blown by the level of detail and patience of most jap artists, these people will spend 8h MINIMUM on a single piece and take care of the tiniest details, it's really something to think about.
Whereas most western artists that blow up that you talk about, their art is so subpar it would be an offense to even compare them to a jap artist.
And I say this as someone who's been on pixiv for 15 years, in Japan being able to draw is something that is considered normal.
Given how much the west's artists and people in general have their dopamine receptors fried because of social media, seeing artists who really pour in effort to their work gives me hope
But those who get bored and unfollow aren't a loss anyway, you want people to follow for your art, not flavor of the month memes/art . And here I get to another subject: drawing popular stuff because that's what gets you followers. But that's another topic for some other time

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I have noticed that Japanese artists never stop practicing either. Aruurara is by all means a pro, but you see him streaming his daily figure drawing sessions and talking about the new drawing books he picked up. A bunch of Japanese artists also have side accs where they post their studies, I don't think I have ever seen that with a western artist asides Pika, they normally settle on a shitty style and stagnate. How bleak, at least we aren't on the tumblr steven universe era anymore, although it's still less cancerous than the mspaint doodle of anime girl doing something quirky era that were are witnessing right now.

No. 1709495

There are plenty of professional western artists that do exercisesdaily, but you're all online and most dint stream due to them already having jobs that pay them and usually, likedisney,own everything they produce as long as they are signed up with the company. They don't have the luxury to just stream and show their work. They aren't allowed. Otherwise you're stuck with tumblr westerners who draw for fun and less about showcasing practices. If you're just looking for anime/cartoony work from western artists, you're going to have a hard time not just finding fan twitter anons who post on picarto sometimes,but those tend to just be draw dumps/request streams.

No. 1709502

Most anime artists are also hobbists with a fanbox at best. Aruurara has never done professional work besides having a fanbox. You will never see those uber popular twitter western artists actually practice or strive to be better and get out of their comfort zone.

No. 1709513

Probably because they don't get engagement from posts like that like Japanese artists do either. I don't see sketches and the like getting as much attention on the US side of twitter ever. The closest you get is messy adoptables. People like the end result which sucks because I personally like seeing a whole page of patchy and half-done torsos or eyes. I like seeing the practices, but overall that won't get you the attention you want. A lot of people save that stuff for portfolios, which you can see on websites vs twitter, or for hardcover portfolios. They don't waste their time posting their progress online.

No. 1709515

No offense but there's also plenty of Japanese artists who've draw in the exact same style for many years and while good aren't exactly amazing on a technical level. Just look at how much officially released manga has barely above decent art.

No. 1709524

Thats why it's so easy to spot a Japanese artist lol They all migrate to the same style. Comiket has the same look in almost 80% of the mangas.

No. 1709527

>first of all they don't seem to care as much about meme shit. Secondly they have a lot more patience when it comes to letting artists create.
Asian artists definitely fold harder than western artists under pressure, so in my headit must be that their fandom encourages experimentation. Ah, my favorite artist is drawing for a completely different interest now? Splendid, instead of throwing an entire autistic tantrum of "why aren't you drawing X anymore??" I'm going to support them. You know? Feels like they have stronger support systems. I don't know how to describe it, they just do shit. They just draw things. Not to say there's no fandom drama or petty bickering (there is, lots) but they seem to stick together for most of the time. They don't just exclusively seek out memes and shitposts to retweet. They see something they like they pass it around.
>Meanwhile my japanese followers will follow me for years and still interact even when I completely changed the subject matter of what I post kek.
I have a mixed bag of friends from different asian fandom regions and one of the most surprising things they have told me recently is that they usually make the jump from twitter to other platforms. Meanwhile in the west we build a platform on somewhere else (tumblr, newgrounds, etc) and make the jump to twitter. What does that tell me? I don't know. I feel like twitter is far more successful when you bring in an audience from somewhere else and have them boost your ratings. Then your art actually appears on people's pages… It makes me curious now. I'm going to ask some of them to see if they agree with these notions now.
>it's that the western audience is shittier. Plus it makes our artists less motivated to try or improve when they can shit out Reimu drinking grimace shake in a white void in mspaint and get 50k likes.
Agree completely, unfortunately. And it's been this way for a hot minute now. It's demoralizing. You can make something really good and even if it gets a very good amount of reshares with compliments, it will always be overshadowed by some meme or humorous thing you did. And it made me think, why not make shitty memes and shitposts to bait people into following you and then post what you want? After all it's common knowledge(?) nobody gives a fuck about your original content before you build an audience on fanart. Some of my more popular friends did this exact method and it worked for them. Somehow it feels like you're holding a net out, you'll fail to catch the people that just want their daily consoom dose to-go (they always unfollow in the end), but you'll catch those that genuinely like your style.

No. 1709541

About your first point; yes and no. Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags to make sure it only ends up visible to those that want to see it. For example I'm a fan of a joseimuke game, and the fandom for those that ship BL and those that ship yume exist entirely outside of one another. And yes, they get very upset if you fuck up your tagging and your yume fanart ends up on BL timelines.
Secondly it's more common for artists to make accounts just for one fandom, so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.

No. 1709555

Good Western artists are probably fleeing social media more and more often, I used to follow many of them in some older fandoms years ago on tumblr and twitter and they stopped posting as often as they used to because they all got annoyed or even harassed at some point by the kid of "artists" who just doodle some unfunny memes and call it a day, and they almost all made private twitter accounts so they can just occasionally shitpost with their friends. Some of them earn money thanks to art so they just post from time to time about commissions and post some art once a month at most and leave asap.

No. 1709557

>Japanese fandom is absolutely autistic about tagging your art with the 'right' tags
NTA but god, I saw this happen a few months ago. I follow this one JP artist (whose entire page is her art of a game series) who did a collab with a popular Vtuber, drawing her with the MC of said game because she started to stream it.
DeepL only could get me so far, but from what I understood looks like the artist tagged the art wrong and she had an avalanche of angry people barking at her on her askbox, so much it remains closed today and her account was locked for a bit. She also received some "waah waah we follow you for [game], stop drawing the Vtuber, we don't care" messages.
It surprised me a lot, specially since she's kind of a profesional artist, I thought people would be more respectful.

No. 1709564

They freak out if they even find out a vtuber is dating someone. Japanese fans are crazy a lot of the time, they don't even see artists as human. At least western audiences tell you to take a break now which wasn't the case years ago when producing daily was an utmost must over your mental health. You have mangakas passing out trying to meet unattainable deadlines. This is why the ones who do have social medias posts usually far between. I don't know why asian fans in general froth at the mouth over stuff. You do anything fan theory away from canon and they freak the hell out.

No. 1709594

Oh wow, I only marginally remember that. Admittedly I don't do ship stuff anymore so that makes sense. Thanks for correcting me. Does anyone happen to know how Japanese fandoms differ from Korean or Chinese fandoms?
>so once they move on they just stop posting there and you have to hope you happen to find them again.
How does that even work? It feels so hard to get the twitter algorithm to pick you up if you're just starting from scratch, am I just stupid?

>and they almost all made private twitter accounts so they can just occasionally shitpost with their friends.
No kidding. Nobody wants to deal with social media anymore. I even see some non artists here and there commenting and/or complaining that everyone's gone insular. Everyone's got some little private this or that with like 5 to 10 to 20 with no moderation and trusted friends just shooting the shit now.

That's disappointing..

No. 1709612

NTA but on your first point, they just do. I have noticed often they don't care about followers/likes as much as we do, specially if they're just a hobby artist. So they just open the account and post about their new fandom, become mutuals with other accounts that post the same stuff as them and that's all. Honestly is kind of how in Tumblr people make (or used to) sideblogs for each of their fandoms and aesthetics.

No. 1709614

I actually prefer tag autism and I think a lot of fandom drama would be diminished if everyone properly tagged their shit and filtered out stuff they don't want to see and just stayed in their respective lane. Can you even blacklist tags on twitter? Centralized algorithmic social media is a plague.

No. 1709627

I actually prefer tag autism and I think a lot of fandom drama would be diminished if everyone properly tagged their shit and filtered out stuff they don't want to see and just stayed in their respective lane.
This. It's the smallest most miniscule effort at being courteous to tag your shit and I don't get why people act like you're asking them to jump to the moon if you request proper tags.

>Can you even blacklist tags on twitter?

You can mute any word so it doesn't show up on your feed so yes. I've muted ships, series and characters that I don't want to see and it works great, but a lot of aloof artists just don't bother with tagging and I guess it's fine if you're a small artist but when your art consistently gets 200+ retweets it would be polite to add at least a tag for the ship and the source. A lot of people like to browse the algorithm feed because the chronological feed gets clogged up by a lot of unrelated casual tweets so your art might show up for them even when they're not following you.

No. 1709631

I don't know if you posted that image as an example of some "super intricate 8+ hour art piece" or the subpar one because it's extremely mediocre with broken anatomy, unbalanced composition, flat shadows with nonsensical folding.

No. 1709641

most anons ITT are weeaboos, they think soulless anime art with strange rendering is good

No. 1709658

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I posted because it's visually pleasing with a nice level of detail, if I wanted to post an 8hr+ one I'd upload something else
You can post something you consider better if it's not to your liking, if that's mediocre than I don't want to see western mediocrity
Wouldn't call myself a weeb but the soulless anime art you're refering to is probably the ultra generic cute/moe style which is prevalent everywhere nowadays, which I'm also not a huge fan of regardless of how pretty or shiny the colors are,pic related

No. 1709661

anons ITT are gonna nitpick no matter what, the most generic anime shit artist is still miles better than the twitter popular western artist

No. 1709664

This video feels like watching high schoolers fight. I've just gotten way too old for absolutely retarded twitter bouts like this and chippledipple gets way too invested in the """trolling""", it's clear that despite playing the "cool centrist who just makes epic maymays" role it gets under his skin real bad and that's why he keeps lashing out. He was honestly asking for it for constantly picking on mentally ill and chronically online people for attention, like what the hell was he expecting to happen? Play stupid games and win even stupider prizes. Scrotes who poke the hornet's nest with low effort rage bait and then cry about being bullied are pathetic.

No. 1709673

Two countries with different tastes. Same way I hate picasso but love money. I absolutely hate the sameface look most Japanese art has. Everything looks like love live, genshit, or pokemon generic kawaii. Same way you probably feel like everything looks like disney/pixar over here. I don't think a Japanese artist is innovative or unique for drawing the same think everyone else in Japan draws.

No. 1709679

It's hilarious this was posted as some sort of amazing art piece when anons ITT were shitting on an artist for daring to have more then a hundred followers for drawing generic fanart here >>1708270 just because the artist for the first one is Japanese doesn't somehow make it better.
Also if we're talking general 'cute' artists that just draw cute girls, there's significantly better artists around then what you've posted.

No. 1709680

>the most generic anime shit artist is still miles better than the twitter popular western artist

No. 1709682

lurk moar there are tons of japanese artists who dont draw moeshit, just like how there are tons of western artists who dont draw calarts/pixar blobs

No. 1709684

>I hate picasso but love money
Sorry, I laughed

No. 1709793

this post is so funny when compared to places like the CSP marketplace where people buy and sell collections of pre-drawn hands and a traceable 3d versions of anything you could ever possibly imagine. there are so many prefabricated assets it seems like a lot of them are allergic to actually making art. but yeah every "jap artist" out there spends 90% of every waking moment honing their craft and creating magnificent compositions from scratch

No. 1709826

yeah and when they do use them it looks bad, none of those asset flip artists make it

No. 1709851

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Yeah except only people who don't know how to do digital art and professionals who make their own 3d models and stamp brushes use those type of crutches. One is trying to find a shortcut because they don't know how to draw and they're too lazy to learn how to, the other is most likely in a time crunch.

No. 1709854

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Maybe you should try Harvest Moon or Rune Factory games Nonna. They're all mostly drawn in chibi or a more simple art style, and the boys are drawn just as cutesy as the girls. All the games have different art styles so maybe someone will strike your fancy

No. 1709856

Unrelated to the discussion but I used to love Avogado's art so much, but now I feel like their art is predictable and cliche. It used to feel more real before.

No. 1709860

CSP is used by comic and manga artists who need to churn out work as fast as possible, this isn't the same as discussing non-comic art and illustrations where most artists are not going to use those tools.

No. 1709866

Claudia (real name of the Ranfren comic author) is canadian. Didn't know she was a TIF now.

No. 1709876

AYRT and yeah, there's only so many angels and metaphors for abuse and depression before it starts to get same-y. His colours and compositions are still nice (although a bit more simple and less intense and visceral) but it feels like his conceptual strength is running a bit low and he's just using the exact same themes over and over

No. 1709882

Do you nonnies have any other doll creators you particularly like?

No. 1709904

Here's Etellan who I peronally think has improved since her older videos as she used to abuse facial blushing to the max but as has gotten better in her recent vids and has some unique dolls too.

No. 1709909

I’m just hung up on her right shoulder missing and right breast is higher than her left. Other than that it just looks generic but if you’re a fan it sells.

No. 1709927

Can't stop thinking how her clavicle bone might be misplaced or how that and her chest seems to be overtly detailed compared to other body parts but thats a given since her chest is THE focal point of it all

No. 1709941

If you’re gonna draw boobs you need to get the skeleton right. I had to double check for the clavicle hut you're right. It’s just small lines lmao. Who is that ecchi Aussie artist? She could learn from him.

No. 1709952

holy shit I recognize this artist because there are a billion callouts referencing him on twitter

No. 1709953

Give us the milk if you aren't going to sage nona

No. 1709959

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Oops, fair. I only saw it in passing but browser history came in clutch

No. 1709963

Oh my god she's still around??? Wasn't she brought up in a previous artist salt thread for being weird

No. 1709968

CSP is used by illustrators as well, and you can absolutely trace in non-comic art and illustrations. plenty of people do. you just won't notice it if they're not terrible at art, which is a form of selection bias.

No. 1710068

I said that.

I didn't realize that autocorrected from Monet LOL

No. 1710103

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Fascinating how pedo OC, similar designs and scamming thousands out of customers are on the same level for these people

No. 1710126

Most Japanese art is soulless coomshit these days. The only way you can get popular on Japanese social media is by drawing Blue Archive characters or porn.

No. 1710164

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>Most Japanese art is soulless coomshit these days.
No, only in moeshit anime. There’s plenty of good Japanese art and even famous Japanese cartoonists in our modern day that create super charming art like pic related

No. 1710165

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Nona I beg you to go look at the Westaboo thread in /m/, it's all mostly Japanese artists with massive galleries of goofy fanart. Just because you're seeing one type of art doesn't mean it's all like that, kek what a fallacy you have there

No. 1710168


i feel like there's two big sides of japanese art, the one that is just same faced anime girls with huge boobs, and the one with a lot of different motiffs and full of soul

No. 1710191

Anon don't listen to people like >>1710165 because they can't clearly understand the difference between art for a gallery (your pic) and husbando yumejo shit posted on twitter
>Inb4 some angry baiter says it's all the same
I'm not even going to waste my time explaining this to hobbyists with no real career that use imageboards for gossip occuring between nobody artists on twitter

No. 1710199

Nona, I'm >>1710165 and I was replying to >>1710126 saying Japanese art was souless and was typing my reply before >>1710164 even showed up (my wifi is abymally fucking slow). Actual gallery art is obviously better than fanart, there is no debate and anyone who thinks so is a actual retard.

Unless you misclicked, in which case that contempt was well directed

No. 1710202

I think I'm just sleepy it's 5am here sorry

No. 1710203

Happens to the best of us

No. 1710214

OT and a completely retarded tangent but if I had a dollar for every time i’ve seen both of their art taken and slapped onto a shein quality shirt or print or made into a DIY Y2K kawaii zoomie shit keychain I’d be a millionaire. Swear I’ve never seen artists just stolen from as much as them, not that they probably care kek they’re so big.

No. 1710284

It's a gendie girl nonita

No. 1710351

i like their pastel set, the main one doesnt have any light shades at all
they don't blend as well as copics (some colors are especially bad) but for the price i can't complain

No. 1710459

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The yumejo artists have more skill than those gallery artists used as example. Just because goofy with bed eyes isnt hanging in a gallery and being used to launder money it doesnt mean it requires less skill than painting the same shitty blob with sameface in a void like that guy on the left. I genuinely dont understand disliking anime sameface but then liking some boring ass art just because it's hanging in a gallery.

No. 1710461

I feel like people who say "all modern west art is inferior to east art" and vice versa just don't look art outside of social media

No. 1710467

that scrote's art always gives me bad vibes. i distrust men to meaningfully understand the complexities of girlhood and don't like when they draw little girls

No. 1710468

No one is saying that ITT at least, even japanese anime artists appreaciate classical western art. I can't think of a single modern western artist I like though, but that's because I don't like modern western aesthetics like that plastic splashart look.

No. 1710474

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>i distrust men to meaningfully understand the complexities of girlhood
no way his shitty drawings have ''meaning''. I really dislike modern gallery artists, they are all so gimmicky. The dog reminds me of this. I have seen artists with <1k followers post more meaningful and moving art, and the didn't have to explain it to you nor were hanging in a gallery. What a scam.

No. 1710476

Of course someone like you would be triggered this much, not surprised.

No. 1710478

I’ve felt weird about his art too tbh. Before I knew a man made them, I thought they were a woman’s art because it always seemed to feature girls, but when I learned he was the artist, it felt strange but idk why.

No. 1710481

No one is triggered, it's just dumb to disregard art just because it's not haging on a gallery. I am sorry but those examples posted are ugly and uninteresting.

No. 1710482

Sure goofy-chan

No. 1710485

I am not a goofy yume but i would legit kms if a goofy fucker was more skilled than me, those gallery artists need to step up

No. 1710487

By your logic I should always see those shitty pixiv broken anatomy art I see all the time in high regard huh? It's so retarded even to have this discussions both East and west has good and bad artists

No. 1710492

If you aren't capable of seeing the skill past the subject you are just a wannabe elitist. Those examples in particular are not only very low skill but also incredibly boring. At least i can appreaciate the anatomy skill of some turbo coomers, I can't say the same thing for anachans hugging and weird girl blob in the void. It's fine if you like them, but they arent better just because they are handing on a gallery.

No. 1710502

What I'm about to say us subjective and I shouldn't even reply because I know almost everyone itt is a twitter tier artist, a hobbyist, or don't give a fuck, but in the end there's more than one audience for art out there, gallery art is a niche with its own art lovers and has nothing to do with pixiv fan art etc. which is also it's own niche. The art world is so big with so many things in it like a tree diagram or a river that goes through different paths or whatever, gallery artists are not going to be jealous of pixiv artists or viceversa no matter the skill or how many viewers your post has because both people even if they are artists, participate in completely different communities with their own wishes, needs and rules. To compare both is dumb, because there's a bunch of shit behind all kinds of art other than "style = bad" and to reduce it to that is just not fair to any kind of artist out there. You can disagree whatever

No. 1710504

>Coomers are better
Do people in this thread really?

No. 1710510

Can't believe how retarded some of you are, or is this obvious bait

No. 1710515

Look, I just prefeer skill>some gimmick style, so I am going to appreaciate some coomer who put in the time to learn Hampton and Vilppu over some guy with a boring style and low skill. If you like the weird dog guy or the anachan artist that's fine, but I won't hold them at a higher regard just because their art is on galleries. Balthus is a gross unskilled pedo and his shit is hanging on galleries, it's not a metric for being a good artist.

No. 1710520

Thanks for reminding me everyone in this thread thinks like this

No. 1710524

are you a gallery artist? i don't understand why anyone would be that pissed off that people don't kiss the ground gallery mainstream artists walk on

No. 1710526

Sorry but I'm not going to keep this conversation going when I already know all responses are going to be skewed, biased and inflammatory and terminally online just like in every other thread on here, I don't think fanart is inferior to gallery art in any case, just two different things that have no business being compared to each other, but people still will no matter what because no one really gives a shit besides people who do give a shit, so suit yourself

No. 1710530

>calls out people for being terminally online
>on a niche imageboard

No. 1710534

I don't want to infight nonny, because in the end none of what I say matters and will be taken out of context or something else entirely

No. 1710535

Lolcow isn't as niche as you might think, not after creepshow or the kf fiasco

No. 1710565

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Fine art is such a joke. If these were digital drawings posted online, they'd get lost in the sea. But because they're painted on 10ft canvases, it's fine art. There are super skilled fine artists, and then there's people like this who got lucky. Check out Fuyuko Matsui's work, it actually stands out.

No. 1710572

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they are trying to pass lolishit as fine art now too kek this dude got to work with pharael williams in a music video just because his loli drawings get hanged on galleries, how bleak

No. 1710591

fascinating how elsewhere anime crap appears in galleries, in Czechia everybody in the academic world of art would laugh at this and probably bully the artist for life kek

No. 1710594

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Fucking museums overseas bring this shit to be exposed as fine art. I bet they would laugh at the idea of making an exposition about actual anime but ironic shit like this gets a full exposition, kek. The critiques are hilarious too
>mesmerize through an unsettling combination of innocence, carnal knowledge, beauty, exquisite artifice and arrested movement

No. 1710608

the male artist's art is charming when you first see it, but if you have seen one of his pieces you have seen them all. They all look the same. I'm not too familiar with the female artist but the small sample I have seen of her work bores me

No. 1710609

I'm talking about people like >>1709454 There's other facets of art. To say you don't like any western artist at this point just means you haven't sought out others or even looked at different mediums. It's hard to describe modern art as "eras" because there's so many art styles and so many influences. You could branch out more though. But what do you mean by "plastic splashart look"?
God I hate male art from any country. I watched an interview of this one popular American artist from the 90s and he compared his collage art of playboy nude cut-outs as something comparable and influential to Andy Warhol's work. Was even funnier to me because I hate Warhol's shit too

No. 1710614

>You could branch out more though
feel free to recommend me stuff if you want, i like highly skilled art though
>plastic splashart look
lol splash art

No. 1710622

Sorry, when I hear splash art, I think of generic league of legends stuff kek. If that's what you're talking about, yeah that sucks. I'm a game illustrator and that's basically standard for a lot of online games. But what's funny is that half of those illustrations are by asians or people who come from an eastern country. But I could recommend some good artists if I got a sense of what you like. Highly skilled is pretty broad.

No. 1710632

stuff like rockwell, dean cornwell, leyendecker, nc wyeth, mead schaffer

No. 1710697

>Devin Korwin
>Syd Mills
>Phil Hale
>Sidharth Chaturvedi
If you're looking for more anime/stylized I like
>helium_raven on twitter
Most of their styles are realistic, or at least trying to be. The last one, I can't tell if she's eastern or western because she has a big western following and draws a lot of western musicians. I'm sure there's more too, but that's a start. Most people who draw realism nowadays stick to ArtStation, Instagram, or sometimes even stay strictly traditional. You won't be able to get someone who captures the old-timey essence like the artists you mentioned though.

No. 1710699

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Samefag, dropped the pic. Picrel is Chaturvedi, he mostly does concept work and fantasy stuff though

No. 1710708

This is so depraved and cursed. That quote is killing me though lmao

No. 1710733

thanks anon really liked sidhart and chatuverdi, always loved phil hale, but not a huge fan of the rest. helium_raven art is pretty but i dont think i can follow someone who glorifies rapists, her style is a bit too messy and stiff too so i will pass, sorry

No. 1710734

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I'm >>1710199 and admittedly I was thinking of stuff like Patrica Piccini's dolphin man (picrel) or Louise Bourgeois or Alexsandra Waliszcekwa when I said gallery art was better than fanart, but all you make really good points nonnas.

No. 1710764

These are two very good examples of creative and passionate "rudimentary" artists. Japanese people have really mastered the art of making simplicity and childlike pieces look cute and loveable.

No. 1710768

I fucking hate these obvious pedophile dogwhistles.

No. 1711061

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Her art is supposed to be really uncanny and disturbing, it's all about exploring where humanity stands with animals and technology and how we're constantly shifting the environment for both and the ethics of it.
For example, why do you feel uncomfortable about this genetically modified finger baby when you yourself may own a pure breed animal. It has nothing to do with pedophilia, she's just a weirdo.

No. 1711068

Sorry to samefag and OT, but the dolphin man was probably inspired by a hypothetical surgery to put dolphin fetuses inside women and that's probably some fucked up cross breed.

No. 1711189

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if an american artist had drawn this it would had been posted in the bad art thread and we would have anons saying that it looks like the girl is missing a chromosome. I dont even hate his art but I doubt he would have gotten famous on an international scale if he wasn't japanese. The art world has a mystified image of japan where they describe japanese fine art as "childlike whimsy but eerie" no matter what it looks like

No. 1711192

THANK YOU ANON this shit ugly

No. 1711206

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This spanish artist is like the long-lost cousin kek. Honestly these kind of art is only impresive because they're drawn on giant canvases, the actual art is just mid.
Galleries are full of despotism, have enough money or a some connections and you're automatically considered a fine artist, everyone knows that. Of course there are still actual artists here and there, but the majority of them are just famous because money.

No. 1711207

if scamming people out of thousands is being weird yes

No. 1711219

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You're right and I don't know what anons are talking about. Design-wise his art is solid but it's also so fucking generic and it's obvious people like it just because it's "cute". And that's perfectly okay but it becomes embarrassing if you claim to like it because it's somehow magnificent in quality when it's actually just the same frowning blob over and over again.

On the topic of moid artists coming accross as creepy through their art, I fucking hate when stuff like picrel gets praised as this super deep fine art dealing with the complexities of humanity. The guy who painted picrel is an old dude and yet most of his paintings like this feature young women. When I saw this in a gallery I immediately got a bad feeling about it but nobody else seemed to notice. If you want to make body horror art or art dealing with your "trauma" like he said in an interview he did, why not make it about your moid body instead of painting the same vaguely young girl half naked? I'm so done with male artists.

No. 1711222

Is that gallery art? It looks like your typical pastel/charcoal introduction exercise a 16yo had to do for class.

No. 1711229

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Or something like pedo Hans Bellmer's stuff

No. 1711253

>i dont think i can follow someone who glorifies rapists
Nta, but what?

No. 1711270

This is fetish art 100%. It's so weird to me how people can't differentiate between very obvious fetish content/sadistic fap material and regular grotesque shit.

No. 1711295

pretty much all male musicians have slept with underage girls, david bowie raped a 14 year old

No. 1711300

Does anyone else get demoralized that your art can be immediately attributed quality/lack of quality based just on nationality? It's like this for other pieces of media obviously and doesn't just applies to the Japanese, but just by your nationality people either gets put you in a box t,wo artists of identical still, one gets a podium and a megaphone (daring visionary!) and international appraise and the other is some obsolete tryhard. Maybe it has something do too with how each individual country values art, but admittedly I'm not too knowledgeable. Admittedly I don't mind positive stereotypes (eastern european artists are always dark and broody) but coming from a country that has no positive art stereotype I just kind of feel left out. Seething, perhaps. I don't stand out because of my nationality, in fact I'm expected to try harder and go above and beyond for a crumb of appraisal. There was a topic of discussion on twitter at one point a few years ago that third world artists were "cheating" the market by charging cheaper because we have undervalued currencies… sorry? What would you like us to do? It's not our fault.

No. 1711302

is all you need to be a fine artist to have a quirky unique style that's easily replicable? this shit is like nfts

No. 1711304

this is such obvious fetishism, notice how there is barely any art depicting men like this

No. 1711333

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No. 1711348

weakest fujoshi

No. 1711353

Repulsive moid fetish shit and childporn. I don't see the difference between fine art childporn and pixiv childporn, topkek

>Do people in this thread really?
Yes >>1710515 they apparently do anon; you are correct people in this thread really. What good is "skill" if it goes towards moid fetish, the humiliation of women and girls and child pornography?

You felt weird and strange because you know in your heart that its voyeuristic as a grown man to feature female children in your "art".

No. 1711355

>What good is "skill" if it goes towards moid fetish, the humiliation of women and girls and child pornography?
to steal from them and use it to draw gay porn and femdom ofcourse

No. 1711356

I hate it when an artist is really skilled but looking at their gallery it's all just a bunch of genshit. What a waste of time. You can always tell when it's genshit because all of it looks the same. I deliberately ignore/don't like any art with it because I'm sick of seeing it. I have some art friends who are in too deep I had to mute, it's like a fucking plague and I wish it'd die.

No. 1711360

That's really petty honestly, let them enjoy their shitty gacha game. I genuinely wish there was a franchise i was obssesed over so I could have something to draw without worrying much about it.

No. 1711364

She's just blocking the content she doesn't want to see, how is that petty? It's way better than people who go out of their way to complain to you for drawing X thing at least.

No. 1711365

I really wish I could unsee this old pedo fossil moids shit from you nonna. I'm looking at this moids art and seething. Why do we as a society even have laws against child porn at this point? How do freedom of childporn "artistic expression" artfags justify this?

Laws against childporn are a larp for males. Child abuse being a taboo is a larp for males, child abuse itself is a larp for males. What's the point if you can make it anyway, and distribute it freely if you call it "art". I can't even bring myself to post it, sickening.

No. 1711366

It's petty to be this angry about it, genuinely dont get the Genshin hate even though I don't play it, I will take it any day over minecraft/fnaf/fortnite and other popular games.

No. 1711376

She didn't sound that angry

No. 1711383

Aomeone tell the weakest fujoshi to take breaks

No. 1711390

not even god can stop her

No. 1711413

I mean if I liked an artist but all they drew was something I was sick of I would be dissapointed as well, I think it's reasonable. She's most likely exagerating with the wanting to die part, honestly it's just social media, blocking/muting doesnt matter.

No. 1711415

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Does anyone have examples of inspiring progress? I am feeling really down right now about my art skill level, and I need some motivation.

No. 1711431

if she was really dedicated she'd learn how to draw with her other hand.

No. 1711442

Thank you for speaking the truth. She's definitely missing some chromosomes by the way.

No. 1711448

I'd say she has one extra unnecessary chromosome instead

No. 1711484

all for to draw generic genshit porn…when does dedication turn into retardation? is her whole livelihood relied on art?

No. 1711489

File: 1696095168282.png (26.37 KB, 584x269, omg.PNG)

You would never understand

I don't think so, besides commissions and a patreon that was started some time last year there has been talk about classes unrelated to art.

No. 1711495

still what kind of day classes requires this much hand strain? if shes hurting this much wont that effect the other thing too? why is this shit so romanticized? this isnt the quirky hehe she thinks it is, just take a damn break

No. 1711498

This, having that much injuries because you draw is insane. That's not dedication. If they want to be able to draw a decade from now, they need to take some serious rest and treatment for their hands.

No. 1711505

i was gonna say based but she draws cuntboys so eh

No. 1711514

I really don't think the classes alone are causing the strain, drawing has to be worse than writing. I don't remember if they ever talked about what's actually going on with their body though, maybe it's generally prone to injury. But the issue is, how do you take a long break from it if it's something you really want to do? If it's a condition that'll never fully go away then there's not much of an alternative

No. 1711525

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Talented artist to pedobait panderer sure is something to be proud of. Yep.

No. 1711527

Sadly once it has happened there's no way to stop it the best you can do is to rest braces and trying to cope since art isn't her income source she doesn't need to worry for money ,as for art finding methods that cut down drawing rather than extending it like doing not so detail art and using photobashing or filters her condition mostly got worse by her coomer addiction and consistently posting(quanity over quality).I don't find this dedicated I find this you reap what you sow always maintain your hands and eyes since those are vital for a artist

No. 1711528


You're right in that I'm not actually that angry. I'm just sharing a salty thought. However I'm referring to wishing the genshin trend would die, not myself.

No. 1711535

from soulless to soulless

No. 1711560

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what the hell is wrong with coomers. it was just a mcdonalds commercial

No. 1711564

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Its perplexing how much of a clusterfuck this one ad caused, you had /pol/tard scrotes trying to make this into a big event by saying this was a attack on wokeness by having a straight "white" couple, coombrained tranny pedos screaming like chimps that there must be porn made of this, coomer artists banding together to bring their degenerate fantasies to fruition and ofc many videos by retards commentating on this situation with the most spineless opinions, what the fuck happened.

No. 1711565

the fact you can tell this is made by some westoid. shadman did irreparable damage to the western art community

No. 1711572

why is her head so huge

No. 1711574

There's another take to this: that this is actually "propaganda" for the Japanese to start dating, marrying, and starting families to get their population back up.

No. 1711577

i genuinely don't understand how people can unironically think a mcdonalds ad is going to raise the birth rate

No. 1711583

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There's been a lot of talk about anime featuring more family content for this reason and it doesn't seem completely impossible, but depicting a family in restaurant ads also isn't anything out of the norm for any culture.

No. 1711585


They are retarded if they think that would work as if the billions of generic "wholesome" romance mangas and animes didnt already exist and was constantly consumed by the population.

No. 1711588

God I hate when people draw peppa pig faces on a semi-realistic/detailed body, it looks so bad. Some people manage to blend the animu head with the body a bit, but this man didn't even try

No. 1711592

The right answer is probably just that McDonald's competes with family restaurant chains in Japan and markets accordingly. The smarter scrotes try to be, the stupider they become, it's insane

No. 1711594

Idk why they think depicting a cute family eating their food would put them at the same level of places with food other than burgers and nuggets.

No. 1711596

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>The smarter scrotes try to be, the stupider they become, it's insane
Ikr? Put any media in front of a scrote, and there's a 99% chance the point is gonna fly straight over his head. Just look at how they missed the point by admiring Patrick Bateman. Did any of those retards even read the book?
I hate art like this because it perfectly demonstrates how coomers see anything at all: just ass and titties. The coomer didn't even bother sexualizing the mother character with the body type she actually has, and these types of artists NEVER stay accurate to characters they sexualize. Coomers obsess over, jack off to, want, and dream about ass and titties, so that's all they fucking draw even if it doesn't match how the character actually looks.

No. 1711599

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It's fucking insane, rightoids just came up with some hoo-hah about "wokies" ~triggered~ by a mcdonalds ad featuring a straight couple with a kid because someone made a joke about the Japanese birth rate propaganda and everyone just took it and ran with this forced as fuck controversy and now they're drawing coomershit porn of it to own the imaginary "libtards" living inside their heads. Literally nobody was offended by this fucking ad but retards stuck in their anti-SJW era looking for outrage don't care. I fucking hate scrotes and I hate weeb /pol/ scrotes the most.

No. 1711897

anon if you're still here, do you know what her main income is? i can't imagine many jobs that allow you to work with limited hand usage. asking because hand injury is a genuine problem i fear, i do computer work as my day job and i worry about injuries (i'm nowhere near as bad that girl though)

No. 1711899

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Kek artanons on this site are a breath of fresh air, its rare for artists to see reality as is. picrel related

>The coomer didn't even bother sexualizing the mother character with the body type she actually has
Its not about her, or depicting her honestly or any woman or female at that, its only about coom; in this case hyper muscular homoerotic but simultaneously obese woman with pitiful arms and neck but huge man-sized bobble head coom. The original art is a woman but this "woman" is a obese transvestite based off of the proportions.

No. 1711901

The chimerical combination of muscles you would only see at a low body fat combined with fat thighs/tits and then tiny birdlike skeletal arms always triggers me like pick one.

No. 1711998

I'd feel bad for her injuring herself over and over due to excessive drawing if her "haha lmaoooo i can draw a masterpiece with my foot and with a stick guyssss haha" didn't sound like massive humblebrag attempts to make herself seem "cool" and "skilled" when all she draws is cuntboys.

No. 1712129

Retarded males will look at this weirdly proportioned woman and claim it's good art and then screech about some tumblrina drawing their waifu obese, racebent, and hairy. Pot calling the kettle black. It's the same shit. Of course because we live in a patriarchy, no one is making youtube essays about how coomer male artists are polluting fandoms and have art as poorly drawn as "sjw" art. I hate that they sexualized this wholesome ad.

No. 1712212

Agreed. Real gore comes in the form on making humans in to skin suits, purses, mutilation.. This is just fetish 100%, gore fetish trophy killing manipulation into furniture.. Like jfc. There's no other way to look at this. No one who likes gore does this shit. The CLOSEST this comes if in the form on movies like The Collector, and even then it's to displace the bones and skin and not for erotic reasons, more mad science. This image isn't even that.

No. 1712223

What pedoshit? I just went through the media tab and most of the characters have tits, not even drawing teens being suggestive. Do you just equate moe art to pedos for some retarded reason? At least post an example of the stuff you're even talking about. The artist is also a girl, she's drawing kemono type and monster girls.

No. 1712224

Momokun said she's cosplaying this. Be warned, you guys might get a cross-thread update.

No. 1712239

Don’t have the cap now because I saw it the other day, but some scrote was already calling for the child to be drawn like this too.

No. 1712242

File: 1696180452426.jpg (Spoiler Image,531.88 KB, 1447x2047, [23-09-25] 1706279129593881045…)

where do i even start with rendering, anyone got a course rec? i want to paint like pic rel

No. 1712243

I can't tell if this is bait or a serious inquiry.

No. 1712244

why bait, kek. its very well painted

No. 1712276

Do studies from photo references. They look like they're using candid photos that were taken in flash

No. 1712288

Is this sportacus kek

In al seriousness, the fur and some other textures like the the leather hat(?) seems to be photobashed. The rest looks painted with a shit ton of color correction and filters. And I think I'm also seeing a noise filter

No. 1712295

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Any of you ever take a step back just to be amazed by the unrelenting stream of drama in the "art community"? Especially the "commentary" part of it. Goddamn, it's like Youtuber or Twitter artists can't stop getting into unnecessary squabbles of drama with each other. Don't these people ever get tired? I thought making art was supposed to be relaxing KEK.

No. 1712302

i am honestly more scared by the amount of pedos in the art community it feels like every day you wake up to a google doc of some guy(often tranny identifying) grooming some poor child

No. 1712314

Honestly yes but it doesn't surprise me. Most online artists are advanced level aidens or some flavour of megagendie, they're always going to be a gang of narcs cannibalising eachother over retarded shit

No. 1712347

She posted it today (it’s in her thread) and it’s exactly as bad as you’d expect.

No. 1712668

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holy shit, anons are right its depressing as fuck women cant exist without being sexualized. women arent making porn of the husband, how bleak.

No. 1712688

I’m going to sperg about the animation because I thought it was a still image. After viewing it I cringed. The animation itself is really amateur, only a few looping frames against a static background and I felt bad for whoever made it. Japan is supposed to have better animation, are they falling behind like USA animators? Sad if true.

No. 1712693

I swear we've already had a infight about this in this thread or towards the end of the last.

No. 1712747

It's cute and more soulful than the trash that gets pushed as advertisement nowadays. I imagine it had a very limited budget since its done for twitter, and considering it's both modern advertisement and twitter advertisement at that i think it's pretty good. I enjoyed the one with the monsters more though, it was really cute and the looping felt more natural.

No. 1712756

Anon, it's supposed to be a looping twitter gif, not an animated short.

No. 1712936

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anons do you have any recs for western comics with nice/interesting visuals? i'd prefer original stories but hero stuff is good too ig

No. 1712950

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bernie wrightson frankenstein

No. 1713009

Mf spoil this nonnie geez.

No. 1713012

Aaah man this is reminding me of Darling in the FRANXX. You know, the anime with the very very subtle sex metaphors (doggy style). Yeah Japanese citizens sure started fucking after that show aired lmao

No. 1713017

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It's furry, but Blacksad's art is nice and neat. The facial expression are superb as the artist was a former Disney animator.

Though a little warning if you plan to read it for the story: its female characters are shit. They're either just girlfriends, dead, or dead girlfriends. The art is great though!

No. 1713023

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Check out the works of Craig Thompson—his paneling is very creative and often strays from the standard "square, rectangle, square" type of paneling most Western comics do. His linework is very impressive too.

No. 1713065

instead of this overcomplicated shit, she could stretch, do arm and wrist strengthening exercises, and get more physically active in general. You just know she leads a life of bed to kitchen. Artists will complain about developing tendon and wrist problems but grip their pen like it’s about to make a break for it, shrimp-sit for hours, and have rolled shoulders so severe, it would make a boxer jealous.

No. 1713094

Unfortunately nothing new, /co/ scrotes found some animated Barbie commercial from the 70s and all the pedos and shadman wannabes flocked to it.

No. 1713102

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Inb4 “that’s just an evil dead reference” yes but why does this drawing of a little girl put so much emphasis on her body by having it be drawn more realistic and almost giving an upskirt shot? It’s the biggest red flag when an artist draws a child with a realistic body but a cartoony face never ignore it anons it’s always a pedo art style. I am in support of giving cartoon little girl guns however if they could actually shoot moids.

No. 1713111

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the black order brigade and the hunting party (picrel is the cover art) by pierre christin and enki bilal. they're both standalone but thematically related comics from the early 80s that were considerd landmarks in the history of franco-belgian comics. then writing and art are beautiful and there was a good english translation, dunno if it's still in print but it's on libgen.

No. 1713121

Might want to get your glasses checked, at least back up what you mean. What about it was amateur kek at least provide a valid reason when its fundamentally wrong what you're saying. There was nothing wrong with the animation. Do you even animate or draw??

No. 1713127

Quoting you and referencing the other replies. Everyone said commercial so I was expecting more shots and better animation. Another anon said it’s a gif for a twitter ad which is not the same as a commercial. That’s why I was sperging. As a gif yeah it’s not bad but I wouldn’t call it a commercial. Something like the FREE! commercial is what I assumed it would be like hence the disappointment.

No. 1713156

being simple =/= amateur. that's like saying you cringed at a good artist, that you feel bad for them, and that they're falling behind because they posted a 20 minute sketch instead of a refind piece they spent weeks on. cope

No. 1713227

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do you call these amateurs too?

No. 1713286

I've been really depressed lately because I feel like there's no way to get my art out there. I KNOW likes shouldn't matter but it's my dream to make drawing my main income and I can't do that if literally no one sees it… I see all the time artists with the same skill level or worse have ton of followers and engagement, so it's not like my art is shitty. I'm genuinely confident I can do even better, it's just that I feel like no one even gives me a chance. I have seen some advice about "reaching out" but how do you do that? Only a big artist could boost my art and there's absolutely no fucking way I can befriend someone of that status or that they would even pay attention to me once they see I have like 30 followers. I tried instagram challenges, trendy hashtags and everytime I look at the post statistics there's almost zero people who see my art. It's so frustrating because whenever I post it simply gets drown in the thousands of artworks that are posted every hour.

No. 1713298

>my dream to make drawing my main income
Then apply for illustrator jobs and stop wasting time on instagram.

No. 1713301

Unless you are drawing porn or a webcomic, social media popularity doesn't have much impact on whether you can get an illustration job. It may certainly help you get more opportunities, but there are many insanely good artists who have very small followings. >>1713298 is right. But if you want popular artists to notice you, draw fanart of their OCs.

No. 1713303

I'm not saying I want to be a viral artist, I don't care about that but I'm thinking about the opportunities you get from having a bigger audience. I know a lot of artists got discovered through their social media accounts

No. 1713308

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Why do the mom and daughter look like copy-pasted moeblobs with the same proportions, while the dad looks like an actual adult? This is something that I observe rather often in animanga, particularly in moeshit/cgdct anime - males have normal proportions but all female characters are noseless, bug-eyed moeblobs. Am I being too nitpicky and retarded if I am upset over something like this?

No. 1713310

Being able to make a living with your art is a one in a million chance, anon. It's a dream worth chasing I guess but you also have to be realistic. If you want to do art for a living then get a job as graphic designer/artist or illustrator and develop and build your own brand on the side. I got a job in another field altogether because I'd be burned out drawing corporate art all day instead of stuff I actually like, and save all my creative art for my personal time.

Going viral isn't enough either, your piece might get like 50k likes yet get you no new followers at all. Making friends with more popular artists is the most efficient way to move up, but they can absolutely smell it when you're only approaching them for clout because you're not the first or the last one to do so. Instead of going for the people who already have a gigantic following, make friends with rising stars on your own level. You'll form way more authentic and fulfilling relationships and once you grow in popularity you're both sharing an audience you can promote each other to.

No. 1713311

It's not just you. The only exception I have in mind right about now is Gosho Aoyama's Case Closed where the women look like adults.

No. 1713312

>dad looks like an actual adult
"Adult" would be pushing it. The dad looks like he's fifteen years old in the face. But that only adds to why I don't like anime so much. Their faces are very frequently like the art world's version of unflavored, mass produced tofu squares. Completely fucking bland, way overdone, and only appreciated by people with shit-tier taste. I don't even see how people can disagree with how poorly designed the mother is for the ad. The fact that her face is identical to her small daughter's just says it all.

No. 1713330

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if you had bothered to open any art program you can see that the mother and daughter dont have the same proportions on the bases on them having the same hairstyle why wont they? theyre related, its just a cute short ad

No. 1713331

Stop coping, you purposefully traced wrong just to mislead but they literally look the same and have the same proportions

No. 1713354

their faces are both moeblob and similar, but not the exact same. the kid has rounder cheeks and a way smaller skull, larger eyes, shorter philtrum, shorter distance between nose and eyes, and longer distance between eyes and eyebrows. moms neck and shoulders are also proportionately larger, even if you shrank their faces down to the same size.

tbh i think the real uncanny part is that everything else aside, the mom and kids face SIZES are basically the same. the overall sizes of their faces are way closer than the face proportions. and the moms skull is huge compared to her face, even the porn artists are drawing her with a bigger face.

No. 1713355

The dad looks like a generic 15yo shonen manga protagonist though.

No. 1713361

lol still looks the same. I don't get what you're trying to prove with the outline.

No. 1713365

why are we being so pressed about a MCDONALD'S advert? why don't you guy redline and critique Ronald Mcdonald or complain about how the Hamburgler is proportionally a child and bring into question why a child is being vilified for stealing food if we're going to be autistic about it.

No. 1713367

kek the way you intentionally drew over the actual lines on the mom's face to prove your point
animoids are mentally ill

No. 1713398

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She doesn't share much about her personal life on twitter, she has only vaguely talked about being on jobhunt in march and then about not being able to work due to injuries back in april 2022, around the time when she was posting about commissions and patreon. Last I saw was this tweet about some classes. There have to be other circumstances with this person though, don't manga artists and people like Kim Jung Gi draw for hours each day without developing such issues? I know the former have assistants that take care of some parts, but even with that help there is still a lot of work done every day

No. 1713400

Did you do this on a phone or are your lines always this bad?

No. 1713409

some people have weak bodies

No. 1713438

When correcting mistakes on your sketches, is it better to erase the mistake area and redraw it completely from scratch, or is lassoing the mistake then sketching the corrected version on top effective too? For reference I’m trying to get better at anatomy and proportions. Like if I drew a shoulder too high up and I’m fixing it, should I erase the entire upper arm and redraw it completely? I’ve noticed redrawing takes me a few tries but lassoing and sketching on top is faster.

No. 1713440

Erase, otherwise you aren't learning anything, you're just editing.

No. 1713480

i did this in like 2 minutes sleep deprived so excuse the shaky lines kek but my point stands although the proportions are different as this nonnie pointed out>>1713354 the faces are copy paste ,anime artstyle suffers making the women look like children but in the end its just preference to style personally i dont like the moeblob look i dont know why this simple ass ad is causing this much outrage

No. 1713492

Right now is honestly a terrible time to try to live off an online art presence. Paypal is getting more bullshit fees by the day, not to mention the risk of getting your income locked for whatever random reason they decide. Patreon isn't doing great either from what I see, and ko-fi has its own share of issues.
At the end of the day your entire income will be dependent on sites that seem to all be in a form of turmoil right now.
And that's not to get into the fact that there's a global recession brewing (or already happening depending on who you ask) and one of the first things people will drop is any financial contributions to art content like commissions, merchandise etc.

No. 1713545

Plot twist they all siblings

No. 1713577

Coomers will always pay for custom porn. That's an avenue.

I agree with you. It's fake outrage.

No. 1713580

That's true, but once money gets tight they are probably going to keep supporting artists they already know instead of new ones. And it didn't sound like anon wanted to draw coom anyway

No. 1713589

>mcdonalds make a very creative loop animation for an ad even though they dont have to
>political spergs, coomers, nitpickers, schizos and trannies all join to shit on it for the dumbest reasons
all of you would be calling fido dido's commercials boring, soulles and lazy because they dont have backgrounds or something. I am just happy we got an ad with a little bit of effort instead of some shitty political statement or just people consuming the product, least these bazillion dollar comapnies can do is contribute to the world being a lil less soulless by paying artists instead of celebrities and trannies

No. 1713592

yes and no and I'm speaking from experience. A lot of people prefer a variety of artists and instead use specific ones who draw specific fetishes instead of using one artist for everything. I'm just using it as an example and will agree, as I've seen it happen to friends, that their PayPal are more susceptible to being locked due to drawing this, especially if you get the wrong person to be a douchebag and that doesn't even need to be a customer to report the account. Never, ever put donation links to Paypal, I will 100% always stand by that and make a separate Paypal for your business stuff. Just thought I'd put my two-cents in about how recession won't matter and then add in my big about the financial part.

No. 1713593

>Coomers will always pay for custom porn. That's an avenue.
Sure, but that solves only part of what I meant. There's still the issue that you're fully reliant on some websites that could implode at any moment, or fuck you over with new fees (something both paypal and patreon are currently doing).

No. 1713602

Lower the opacity of the sketch and draw over. That way you can see your previous mistake, and use it as a reference for the correction. Erasing it completely starts you over, and you're likely to just draw the same mistake again.

No. 1713603

You don't really have a choice, unfortunately.

I see it as a bank transaction fee like when you take money out of an establishment you don't bank with. It's just a transaction charge. For me, PayPal isn't that much, right now. The thing that does bother me is the transfer fees. I get the behind-the-scenes reason, they are actively having to allocate funds from one bank to another because the money isn't just magically digital, but the added fees on top of the transaction fees bother me, especially when it is increased vs the number of people who use the website. I don't know if it's because the website has to do the transaction for you on their side, plus they charge the "labor" of hosting the site. That's another thing, they pay their staff and because websites like these don't get donations, they take a part in hosting too. Not that millions of users aren't well over enough people to host the website for probably a few decades, but I don't see these sites imploding.

If they keep raising the prices, then I'm going to get upset because the number of users that rely on these sites should make up way more than enough for all these fees to not be raised when you take into account the cut the company is probably getting. They probably excuse it as a reason to keep low pay employees active because cost of living when in reality it's the PayPal hire ups that are just greedy. Like every company.

No. 1713607

>I am just happy we got an ad with a little bit of effort
Why are you happy about ads at all kek the consoomer mindset is crazy and it's insane how much weight americans especially place on ads, to the point where they can become pop culture and memes

No. 1713614

This wasn't an American ad. I don't even know why you are bringing this up. Americans are trying to make this an American issue and political and it's fucking stupid. Japan does ads like crazy too, they promote way more to consumerism than I see most places in America.

No. 1713616

i am not american and the ad isn't american either, i am just happy these big corporations are at least supporting artist. or would you rather have the left ad?

No. 1713631

Thank you anons i'll be checking them out later!

No. 1713634

I don't want ads at all

No. 1713635

ok but they are going to be made and exists anyways regardless of if you want them or not, so they might as well be at least creative and have effort put into them

No. 1713639

That's not a good enough reason to say the ad is bad.

No. 1713646

>Kim Jung Gi

he's dead, anon. drew himself to death like Kentaro Miura

No. 1713649

Ronald Mcdonald is the mythical terf who's killing black trannies ofc, spiders Georg style

No. 1713652

They were just supporting the BTLM thing. They are two different posting countries too, but same company. America wants brownie points and Japan is obsessed with traditional families and wanting people to have kids, so it will have an ad with both.

No. 1713658

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A tranny scrote (like usual) to be more specific

No. 1713660

Which is crazy because the mother is literally just a version but older.

No. 1713662

they're pedos

No. 1713663

i hate coomers

No. 1713664

Yes, anon, I got that. I'm just pointing out the pointless reason to sexualize her when there is a carbon copy. Especially if anyone draws the girl with a sexualized woman-type body with tits and all. Then it's literally just the mom.

No. 1713668

i honestly dont think they coom to it anymore i think they just get the dopamine from seeing booba and porn because its so normalized

No. 1713669

Well, for starters men are likelier for rape 14 year olds than 24 year olds

No. 1713670

coomtards and especially trannies arent known for having much logic or morals, cause if they did they wouldnt be coomers lol

No. 1713671

Left > pedobait japanese cartoons

No. 1713672

Thanks for the daily reminder of why men are subhuman, even in their psychology.

No. 1713673

I'm just pointing out that it doesn't matter that there is an adult version for them to sexualize bc what they want is the child version. Look at the op. Sees an obvious child character and wants porn of them immediately. Fucking degenerates.

No. 1713674

All the examples of stunning inking in the thread are making me want to learn, are there any good resources for (traditional) inking? I only own some ballpoint pens and shitty years old microns, I'm willing to invest more into it but I have no idea where to start. Recommendations for supplies to buy? Any tutorials or processes that might help me figure this out? My lines always feel shaky. I've been told I need to slow down to improve them but then it just makes everything feel stiff.

No. 1713677

What kind of inking are you wanting to practice? Like with felt tip pen, brush, nib? Maybe you could pick up one of each and just try them out to see what you like. If you want brush and nib I would recommend buying a natural hair brush and some India ink (both can be found at art stores). Japanese inking nibs are cool too, you can find those in stores or online. I used to love inking with a brush. Just grab some paper and go nuts with it, your shakines will improve with time! I wish I had some specific tutorials for you but honestly it's just practice (I know, I know).

No. 1713678

Anyone can draw anything with the help of a computer, nonners. Art is only valuable when precious, and something you can screenshot is not one of a kind.

No. 1713686

Thanks nonita! I used to love inking with a brush a lot during school actually. Granted I was shit until my teachers gave me the advice to slow down kek then that gave me the issue of having stiff lines. I'll do some shopping around this week!

No. 1713693

Sure! Oh I just wanted to add, since you mentioned stiffness in your lines. I think that may be improved just by perhaps changing how you hold your arm/hand while you draw. You want a relaxed posture and larger, sweeping gestures across the page, not small movements with finger/wrists. Practicing gesture drawing can really help with this. You could even try gestures with ink if you're feeling spicy. Sorry I'm not able to look up anything atm but I'm sure youtube has some videos on hand/arm posture while drawing! And don't forget to have fun nonita~

No. 1713700

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same as you nonny! i wish i wasnt poor/talentless/retarded

No. 1713701

It says people like Kim Jung Gi tbf, and both of those at least made it to 47 and 54 while drawing every day. Their deaths didn't exactly stem from wrist issues

No. 1713707

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There's a client who wants me to draw her oc whos arab and has a hijab, but also wants a nude version of her. I'm going to get in trouble with the sjw, aren't I?

No. 1713708

thats probably a tranny larping

No. 1713732

100% sure it's a girl because her page is all pink and has they/them in the bio kek

No. 1713743

Tell the client(who's probably a troon)that you're uncomfortable posting the NSFW on your public account and will only send it privately.or better…reject the commission so your ass won't get cancelled

No. 1713767

trannies are even larping as fujos nowadays

No. 1713787

What are the chances of my dumbass getting cancelled? I already drew some nude version of other characters but since this one is arab and is wearing a hijab… I don't know.
Also I'm not popular or anything, but I don't want to play with fire either lmao

No. 1713804

all pink sounds like something a tranny would do as well though. and they know how they/them is associated with being used by actual females so they might choose it to larp better too.

No. 1713810

Is the commissioner themselves hijabi? If yes and it's just a regular nude you're probably fine because it shouldn't be too disrespectful, but if the person isn't muslim and you feel uncertain about this then say no. Getting a callout because of it seems unlikely to me, but you can always apologize and say that you weren't totally sure, did it for the money anyway and hoped the commissioner had no bad intentions and so on. If you don't post about it yourself it's unlikely to get out anyway

No. 1713821

no seriously religious hijabi is going to commision porn of a character, sure there are hijabi artists but these women are going to do normal art and not draw porn. if an actual hijabi is commisioning porn then i'd assume she's an unstable muslim-larper type and someone you do not want to involve yourself with. you don't need to give a reason for not drawing something, you can simply say not to a request. Would you feel comfortable drawing nun porn? Commisioning sexual art of religious women who specifically dress to desexualize themselves is creepy.

No. 1713822

I don't wanna give too much info because I don't want to out myself kek but from what I've seen, the client seems to be a dark skinned FtM (idk why I attract these kinds of clients but moving on) so I'm not sure. I'm gonna ask anyway and in case they say no then I would not post the nude version. Thanks for your insight nona

No. 1713825

Not salty but I love how many fandoms have their own October challenges, it’s cute and I get to see my favorite less popular characters drawn if they’re lucky enough to be put on the list.
Just say you’re not comfortable drawing a religious character NSFW.

No. 1713840

Reading comprehension anon. Go back and watch the Free advert. It’s just like whar you posted. The gif is not a commercial.
Before the moe blob invasion anime characters actually had differing features so at a glance you could tell and adult from a teen or a child.
That manga (top left) is drawn really well. I saw a video of hers and the process is time consuming. NTA but I am not that patient.

No. 1713877

>mangaka posts doodle instead of detailed masterpiece
>omg japan is falling behind! I feel bad for her. Amateur lol

No. 1713958

You can’t tell the difference between a sketch and finished piece? Yikes.

No. 1713964

does anyone have any tips, resources or places to look for jobs in animation?

i need to learn how to storyboard since that seems to be where a lot of the jobs are but as an autist i dont know how to learn without being handheld what to do for it and it seems like that is where all the jobs are. but I'm having trouble finding actual listings because everything that pops up is indeed but I heard they just steal job listings from websites so it is useless posting or filling out applications there.

No. 1713970

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not only that but she's factually wrong that japanese animation is getting worse, it's actually getting better for some reason

No. 1713971

oh shit was also going to ask how do you nonnies study anatomy, because i am struggling with that

No. 1714039

Proko's anatomy stuff on YouTube because I'm basic af and new to taking anatomy seriously

No. 1714049

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I’ve seen that comparison, terrible bait. the left tweet was from fucking June 2020 when basically every company was virtue-signalling for black people.
If you check the Mcdonalds twitter today, their latest tweet (September 18) is the pikachu happy meal. I scrolled through the media tab for a minute and still haven’t found any virtue-signalling.

No. 1714104

once a tranny cocksucker, always a tranny cocksucker

No. 1714108

Do you just copy or what do you do? I have no idea how to study besides copying the drawings

No. 1714125

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>Ever since she was young, Komichi Akebi has always adored sailor uniforms, even going so far as to ask her mother to sew one if she succeeds in getting into her mother's alma mater, Roubai Academy. And thus, when she gets accepted into the prestigious school, Komichi is ecstatic. However, much to her surprise, the middle school no longer uses sailor uniforms as its dress code—making Komichi stand out from her schoolmates. Despite this, Komichi is granted permission to continue wearing the traditional attire.
>With renewed confidence, Komichi meets fascinating classmates as they experience school life together. Under the colorful shower of blossoming prospects, an exciting tomorrow awaits them!

How the fuck do you cope nonny? knowing that some generic ass CGDCT that doesnt even have a gimmick like ''cgdct but….insert hobby'' got a manga and an anime adaptation with this level of animation? it always made me sad that Japanese artists can come up with the most retarded, boring, overdone idea ever and get to publish a manga and later get an anime adaptation. Is it even possible to achieve anything but vague internet fame from being a western comic artist?. It makes me so fucking depressed to think about it. I feel like I have been sabotaged for being born outside Japan as an artist. I can only aspire to develop some western fanbase that's probably going to cancel me the second i dont choke on tranny dick. It's so demoralizing.

No. 1714235

Isn't this the braindead"wholesome" anime with the schoolgirl fingernail clipping and foot sniffing? Shit like this gets and keeps audiences because scrote weebs and otaku are fascinated by crossing their fetishistic obsessions with their idea of purity. Also, this clip looks impressive until you realize the animation is still choppy and full of shortcuts and effects to make it look better than it actually is. I've never seen this show but I guarantee the animation quality tanks the second there isn't a teenage girl's body to focus on. Japan's anime industry lives by constantly churning out flavor-of-the-month shit for a fast turnaround. It's all about squeezing money out of the audience. I'd be surprised if this episode took more than a week to animate.

French and Belgian animation mogs the fuck out of the best Japanese anime anyway. And their stuff isn't made using sweatshop animators living in crowdfunded tenements, earning less than 15yo konbini clerks while working twice the hours.

No. 1714246

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Robaato trying to fight the artist who they hired on to do the pokemon movie lol RJ Palmer

No. 1714247

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Robaato_art is notorious for never, ever meeting deadlines then blames everyone else every time.

No. 1714250

moid on moid callout will never not be funny

No. 1714254

>Is it even possible to achieve anything but vague internet fame from being a western comic artist?. It makes me so fucking depressed to think about it.
It's tough but comics is hell for creators no matter the nationality, so if you're in it for fame and not sheer love you're wasting your time. You could get your work adapted into a TV show like the walking dead, or look at more recent animation projects like Vivziepop's work and Lackadaisy have gotten. Homestuck is a multimedia project and more than simply a comic but does (despite all the setbacks and bullshit) have video games and a huge fanbase. You could pivot from comics into animation like Jhonen Vasquez did.

No. 1714262

i know its not easy even in Japan, but it at least feels like there is hope… i guess i will just upload my comic for myself and block the trannies that will eventually follow

No. 1714276

>Quality animation
>Anime girl "dramatic running"
That first person run cycle of the first few seconds looks like a spastic with chronic multiple sclerosis. Anime shit is thoroughly in need of touching grass if anyone thinks that's what running looks like in the first person, whether it's a underaged teenage girl or a full grown pedofile man running. What good is any animation if it's all for the fetish of pedofile males? Don't stress over this anon, the most egregious thing about this is that such pedofile shit is normalized.

No. 1714282

Its obviously supposed to be exaggerated, the whole anime is "overanimated" . I dont care if its pedophile shit or whatever it enrages me that if this pedo could have an anime series i could have too….if the west wasn't so shit

No. 1714294

it's taken years if not decades of dedication for most successful mangaka to reach that level. And while the success levels for western comic artists doesn't necessarily lead to shows, it still takes similar time to build a following. the japanese manga to magazine and anime pipeline is much more steady, and their market is healthier to a degree, but you have to remember japan's insane work culture and hours.

No. 1714385

this thread is so full of stinky weebs lmao(shitposting)

No. 1714395

True, I feel like the way they release comics wouldn't even work in other countries. Not only because the demand is lower in general but also because it would be impossible to find people who are willing to make 20-30 pages bi-monthly or monthly to have them published in a magazine. But it's not like western webcomics won't go anywhere, isn't Lore Olympus about to get an animated show despite the comic being trash? Just make simple slop based on something that people are already familiar with and make it look appealing. Also continue working on it. A lot of comics are started and abandoned after a few months, but if you push through you're bound to get readers

No. 1714407

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I'm a pokemon fan so sorry for sperging out but RJ Palmer ruined the live action movie for me with his super shit gritty "real life" takes on pokemon that completely miss the fucking point of the designs and what makes pokemon appealing. He even influenced them to male squirtle act like a stupid waddling toddler and treecko a motionless gecko staring at you through the window. That's not how those pokemon look nor act, they're agile intelligent fighters like wtf I swear he's not even a pokemon fan and hiring was a huge mistake

he's the embodiment of pre-sonic of the sonic design controversy

No. 1714413

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Do any of you know about this? I saw someone unrelated talk about this person getting "literally killed" by antis because they got her fired from her animation job(?)which made her spiral, but I can't find much more info because she seems to have moved accounts. The account is full of degeneracy, to the point where it feels like some kind of joke, so I can imagine why this stuff could get her fired if she was working on a kids show or something

No. 1714433

>25yr old child
>chronically online
>who woulda thought
We are hitting retard levels we haven't seen also , I remember her totally angst vent comics she lost her career over kiddie ships kek how embarrassing

No. 1714452

Interesting, are they still available somewhere? I feel kind of sorry for her because she seems genuinely mentally ill and I understand the stress that callouts cause, but why was she posting that shit in the first place when it can be connected to her real name and job?

No. 1714455

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I don't know why they were called antis, seems like it's just the worst friendgroup to be in

No. 1714468

Because they (the friends) made it into a pro/anti thing to get other people to throw tomatoes and harass her. It all just seems like a weird way of punishing her for not joining in their in-group drama.
I know the shipping stuff is degen, but I honestly feel bad for her for the same reasons as the other anon. She is not mentally stable. All the scrotes in the animation industry draw the same things as her or worse, and/or deliberately put their fetishes in children's shows (even some women are like that, like Rebecca Sugar). Kyle didn't do the whole callout on her because he was "so concerned and uncomfortable", by the way. He's just an obese, male Regina George with a personal axe to grind.
Biggest mistakes were talking to mentally ill "fans" on Discord, and letting her shipping stuff be public.

No. 1714510

?Why are so many teens furries now?
I've thought about this myself because even though I'm in my 30s, I've noticed that there are a lot of teens into the furry fandom and it's wild to me since when I was a teen on the internet back in the early 2000s, it was no where near as common to see furries. My guess is just well, social media. Teenagers are on sites like Amino and Twitter and furry art is bountiful on these platforms that teens spend their time on.

No. 1714518

Don't know anything about this but
>calls self 25-year-old child
I feel like if you draw any of these things, you should be blacklisted from making animations targeted toward kids regardless. I don't care if it's elements in a story you're making, that's fine, but if you have a twitter where you unabashedly talk about liking kids while trying to get into an industry geared towards children, then you're disgusting

No. 1714520

Nonnas, I have something I wanna get off my chest, just a bit of salt but I'm sick of popular artist cliques, seeing the same people on my feed and their rabid adoring fans.

I'll be the first to admit jealousy, but looking into what they do, and going so far as pledging to some of their patreon pages to study them for a month, I'm not doing anything different to what they are doing. I just want people to read my comics about my OCs nonnas, I just want to be well off and I'm tired of popular artists being uppity about who they outwardly like and follow and deign to reply to. I know it's a trust thing and once you hit a certain amount of people, you have to be careful. Part of me is glad social media is crumbling so you don't see as much of this bullshit anyway. I don't need commentary about logging off/not worrying about shit. I do plenty of that already. I just wanted to vent about how insular and stupid it all is.

No. 1714521

So as an artist who is not about the gender bullshit and has no patience for it but wants to start a new art account on Twitter and possibly try to make new friends, is it possible to find some success and/or make friends online as an artist who actually doesn't validate troons and non-binary? I'm a bit hesitant to take the plunge because I know that gender ideology has infected and plagued many of the online art world.

I don't intend to talk about gender critical stuff on my page, at least not a lot safe for maybe sharing a few things some radfems on Twitter post about ridiculous things being said by troons though I also want to make it clear that I don't validate "preferred" pronouns neither.

I'm just curious is all because it does sound like social suicide lol.

No. 1714523

just say youre esl thatll save you(i did the same kek)

No. 1714529

She gets into the drama here. Warning anons that it's long, but comprehensive and as screenshots.
@Atherist is her main account

No. 1714537

It's just an ad. If it's not your cup of tea, that's fine. It's fine to me tbh. not outstanding, just fine.

No. 1714542

Holy shit, that Jera discord drama is insane, these people are all unwell. Making a note to myself to never join any servers

No. 1714552

>it all circles back to proship vs. antiship drama
modern internet fandoms were a mistake

No. 1714555

About her getting fired from her job, I have to say she reaps what she sowed. Who would openly talk about liking lolisho, incest etc on a public Twitter account? Not just her, but everyone in general need to be more mindful about what they post on social media since just in a few minutes your boss can find your account (everything is connected: emal, phone, old links…) and the reverse, anyone with your acc can find where you work/your identity. Twitter has locked/private accounts for something.

No. 1714570

And the pro/anti discourse circles back to disliking someone and needing a reason to make others hate them too

No. 1714588

They were going to have a sonic situation without him. Him and tyson did better than studios could. He didn't run it lol having a hyper realistic pokemon movie was a mistake to begin with, but without these 2 artists it would be like an 80s creature feature. Also RJ did the art/concepts. He wasn't a lead, just worked in the movie as a creative consultant/concept artist and designer. He didn't tell the riggers how to animate or the studios how to use his designs.

No. 1714610

I mean plenty of male industry artists can do that shit without ever getting shit on for it. Unless men get the same consequences, it's over the top.

No. 1714634

Male artists on the Rugrats drew child porn of the characters as a haha funny joke. The fact is, men will NEVER be held to the same standards as women. John K is a literal abuser but Ren and Stimpy will never not be praised among the moids. JK Rowling is the worse woman in the world for stating her opinion (and not abusing anyone) Not defending this artist's degen interests, but the moid who went after her had ulterior motives. Can assure you he wasn't "DEEPLY uncomfortable" at all.

No. 1714638

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>discovered that the creator of Ren and Stimpy was a fucking pedo
>Steven King basically wrote CP in the book 'It'
>the artists of Spongebob drew porn of the characters behind Nickelodeon's back
>now just discovered that the creators of Rugrats made CP art of the characters, who are BABIES.
Males seem to be incapable of being fucking normal about their creations. Seriously, it's like you can't even trust a male that makes art for "innocent entertainment", because he always has sinister motives behind it. Even when a male makes darker forms of art, he always cranks the edginess higher than it should be by making it just disgusting instead of fascinating. I fucking hate males in anything that has to do with art. Cartoons, portraits, theater, acting, whatever. They always bring their unnecessary degenerate bullshit and can never EVER keep it the fuck away.

No. 1714645

The irony is that most of the hate that jk rowling gets is from women and trannies (abnormal moids) not even regular moids. It's depressing because it basically proves that many women would rather throw one of their own under the bus for a weird mutilated she-scrote. This also applies to pretty much any female creator when she makes a mistake. Even she-ra creator who chopped her own tits and is part of the same fucking camp, she got backlash for accidentally saying something that could be interpreted as being racist, and is despised by multiple trannies and lesbians for making catradora "toxic".

No. 1714661

exactly. they especially hate jkr bc she can't be bullied or silenced or erased. they can't get her fired from her job, they can't sue her into bankruptcy because she's too rich, they can't erase her legacy becuse she had such a huge influence in popular culture and her books are famous all over the world, they can't deplatform her because she's too famous.
the whole TRA movement isn't actually about advocacy. it's just repackaged men's right activism, the only goal is bullying and silencing women. and so she represents the ultimate enemy.

No. 1714670

I don't know why your singling out males. Rebecca Sugar drew worse porn of Ed and Double D than anything Hillenburg did.

No. 1714677

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The guy who fired her from his show did it to save himself, she was just in an unlucky spot because she befriended and then unfriended some mentally ill people over discord that had learned too much about her real life and developed a grudge while not working for people she was friends with that could've shielded her. The other people who call her out also make exceptions for themselves and their friends when they do the same things they like to call others out for, it's insane.

No. 1714682

People just draw porn too. Not all of it has to have secret tendencies hidden. Pretty sure a lot of people drew just "random dick here" at some point.

No. 1714685

Rebecca Sugar seems to be one of those examples of female art degens, but it seems to me that they're still less common than the male ones.

No. 1714731

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Nah his coomer ass is the reason they made sonic-"realism"-pokemon instead of making them look cartoony like they usually do but with better texture. I think they made a lot of pokemon look disgusting that would have been cute if they were just themselves but in 3D. I strongly believe barbie as an adaptation made it so big because it exactly captures barbie in real life and isn't a dark disturbing retelling of barbie like 99% of like adaptation movies are now.

No. 1714745

Didnt the faggot that made magi sword try to fuck her and when she refused he doxxed the shit out of her and got her blacklisted?

No. 1714760

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whats funny is that out of all people, its the magisword faggot calling her out, you know the guy with a kids cartoon where the female main character looks like this and all the female characters have boobies for no reason? he's the epitome of that meme where the female character is sexy and the male character is always goofy with a very cartoony design

No. 1714761

Seems like it. He would do things like offer to let her stay at his place before suddenly turning on her.

No. 1714765

The same people that hate Rowling are the same people that defend LOTR and Lovecraft. Women are held at autistically high standars for no reason other than the notion that women are supposed to be ''better than men'' and sexism.

No. 1714768

rebecca sugar drew weird edd ed and eddy porn when she was still a teen, it's not the same as grown ass men drawing porn for a shows they are working on. The rugrats guy actually went to jail for molesting children, and the spongebob porn book has a few pages missing, which makes me think they skipped over all the gross sandy misogynistic porn to save face

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Also, the Loud house guy drew incest shota comics and still got hired by nickelodeon to make a children's cartoon

No. 1714772

God it's suffocating trying to start an art career as a woman. "Successful" art moids think they're entitled to pussy like we're all living in the jungle where tha alpha male gets to have a harem when he wins. It's actually amazing that a lesbian like Noelle got as far as she did in this industry, even if she's gone full gendie now. It's 80% office politics and praising the right males, 20% art.

No. 1714780

pedo shit aside i hate 99% of "good" animation. Yes the animation is smooth but it just looks bad. She moves in a weird way. Animation doesn't have to be realistic but the stylisation looks like shit. It looks like it pains her to move why does she jitter so much? Its obivously animated by talented people but something about it looks so soulless

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that's why i envy Japan too. Yes, yes, I know it's misogynistic too, but you aren't really tied to a studio or a clique of people, so you can form your own group with your female friends like CLAMP. A lot of female mangakas work alongside their childhood friends and i find that really sweet, though luck finding a western female artist that isnt delulu into gendie bullshit and a womanchildren with little to none commitment and responsability, though.

No. 1714795

Kek that would be funny. Do you really do this??

No. 1714819

He was a concept artist hired. By the studio. He didn't leverage them to look like this, they planned it to look like this and saught out someone who has adapted versions they were looking for. Even what you posted doesn't support your tinfoil he's to blame.

No. 1714820

In a perfect world, they would fire anyone, male or female, who makes public NSFW art of characters from the kids show they're working on.

No. 1714822

Nta, but why do your cartoon crushes stop being relevant when you turn 18? It's not wrong to ask draw porn of them. They are fiction. You can't say it's okay for kids to draw porn or minor characters but the second they turn 18, no more drawing anything porn you grew up with or your a pedo? This is the whole point of anons explaining why fiction is just fiction. Not everyone who draws porn of childhood characters is in to real children.

No. 1714825

i don't know, maybe i'm in a different boat, but when i come back to characters i had a crush on as a child, i end up no longer liking them. their written maturity is too childlike for me and i end up liking adult characters. i think this is the same for some others who move on to liking older characters instead

No. 1714826

I believe this is only true but for women, anyways i just think its unfair to put rebecca drawing cringe shit as a teen pre-SU to a convicted child abuser. Moids can never keep things in fiction, they always have to go and kill women because they saw it in an horror movie. They should be judged harsher than women for it because there is an actual risk of them hurting people, unlike wome who are just cringe and have the mento illness

No. 1714833

What if you liked older characters as a kid instead and wrote/drew about that instead?

No. 1714859

The same reason your irl crushes stop being relevant as you become an adult. It's not the worst thing in the world to remember your childhood crush fondly but it's definitely weird as shit to be an adult drawing porn of 2D minors

No. 1714863

i dont like my childhood crushes anymore but if i had to settle for ugly husbandos like tumblr sexymans or that richard ramirez guy from spiderverse just ebcause they are the only adult male characters i would off myself, they are so ugly

No. 1714868

>richard ramirez guy from spiderverse
GAH! Kek

No. 1714871

I mean, not all adult male characters look like that though? I didn't say don't have crushes, I just said it's weird to be an adult drawing porn of 2D minors

No. 1714879

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Why do Japanese artists love to draw every fucking character into looking like some tall, scrawny teenager? I understand it when the character is meant to be young and has that scrawny build, but they do it for characters that are not or wouldn't look like that. I've seen them do it to Eric Cartman in fanart. Felt nostalgic and took a peep at some humanized art of HTF characters, and the Japanese always draw the soldier bear to look like this anorexic eighteen-year-old that can't even lift a machine gun. In what world would a soldier that's strong enough to kill anything look like picrel?

No. 1714882

See this is some shitty logic. You should be able to draw whatever, just because other sexier versions of adults exist doesn't mean now an over 18 person must focus solely. Anons are finally slowly understanding.

No. 1714883

I hate that, I hate how it’s so hard to find artists that can draw appealing characters that just happen to have muscles drawn in a nice way. It’s like handsome characters can’t have muscles, as if there was a strict canon to follow or some shit. I feel this about most of my husbandos that are always drawn like skinny legends or retarded femboys, it’s only a few artists that take a few minutes of their days to draw muscles.

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i dont know but i think it's charming and funny as fuck, men draw female characters like bimbos with balloon tits let japanese horny women express themselves

No. 1714888

Not into shota but I love kids in animes but can't stand them IRL, and sex-wise I had a tentacle phase and a necrophilia phase the dead moid won't go soft and literally can't hurt you, idk why this isn't more common tbh but there's literally no appeal whatsoever to actual, real tentacled animals or corpses. Fiction is fiction.

No. 1714894

Thin men with bishonen faces are based. Just go look at western art if you want your musclepigs and fat men so much.

No. 1714899

>musclepigs and fat men
I'm just confused as to why japs always draw characters as teenagers with eating disorders when they canonically or would most likely look like the "musclepigs" and "fatasses" you say. I get the style for characters that actually are skinny and young, but then they make characters that are canonically rather ugly, chubby, or strong into that little box and always looks so dumb. It's like looking at fanart of Rose Quartz on the Japanese side of art, and seeing nothing but a super skinny version of her. I get that it's "just art", but it's so bizarre how that particular body type is so shilled.

No. 1714901

Kek this is not normal and you should be ashamed to admit this.

No. 1714903

The slider scale of reference for male bodies ITT is really telling of how limited your tastes are.

No. 1714905

Ignore those people, you can't have a genuine conversation about art here anymore without someone going
>well just go look somewhere else
>no matter what women do, men will always be worse
They all cut off any attempts at starting a dialogue
It's probably just the same person from before who believes the only body types for men are either borderline little boy or roidpig
There's some Japanese artists who are really good at drawing other body types, but they don't draw in your typical anime style. Most Japanese people who draw in generic anime don't bother to learn more than a handful of bodytypes in fear of drawing something "ugly" or with too many personal/definable features

No. 1714906

Japanese people tend to like thin bodies more, American people like muscular bodies more. Both groups of people are more likely to draw characters they like in ways they think look good. Beauty standards are just that, it's life.
>It's like looking at fanart of Rose Quartz on the Japanese side of art, and seeing nothing but a super skinny version of her.
Not really, because Flippy is just a cartoon bear with a similar body to the other cartoon animals. Humanization doesn't have to equate to realism, especially when the entire premise is silly, brightly-colored anthropomorphic animals who die and come back alive.

No. 1714909

You seem a bit irate a hyperbolic, half-joking statement about musclepigs and fat men, but are fine with saying a young man with a thin body looks like an "anorexic teenager". Please stop being sensitive and hypocritical, nonnies, it's not as mature as you'd like it to be, kek.

No. 1714910

Honestly that's why I can't get into anime characters that are shilled as attractive. They tend to be the same 3-5 body and face templates in different cosplays, especially in fanart.

No. 1714911

>Not really, because Flippy is just a cartoon bear with a similar body to the other cartoon animals. Humanization doesn't have to equate to realism, especially when the entire premise is silly, brightly-colored anthropomorphic animals who die and come back alive.
Well, that is true. I guess it's my personal taste because when I imagine a soldier that's been in many wars and is strong enough to rip faces off with his bare hands, I don't think of a body type that doesn't look particularly strong.

No. 1714912

Don't know if you're trying to imply we're the same person, but I'm only one of those anons kek, and I'm just weighing in on my opinion. Admittedly so, this conversation is a bit redundant in this thread now though

No. 1714913

Nta, but they're are other dynmanics to this that I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you. I'm with the anon that fiction is fiction. I hope you've never liked a single anthropomorphic character as a child or adult like Beast, Simba, any characters in Beastars or any undead chatacters reanimated and existing. For a lot of older anons, might be Billy from Hocus Pocus. Doesn't mean they want to fuck a corpse or an animal.

No. 1714915

I mean when you catch almost every anime version style of South Park depicting the canonically fatass Eric as a six feet all, super model thin, "bishonen", you get a bit impatient with people who act like anything other than that style is garbage.

No. 1714916

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why do you wanna police how people draw eric cartman of all things? who cares? its fanart, people are allowed to interpret characters however they want

No. 1714917

I get that, but it's another thing to imply that women who find bishonens attractive like underage boys.

No. 1714918

Agreed, the "um the fictional character you like is problematic" thing is a waste of time. Are we going to make cartoons real? Is there any chance of someone on Twitter jumping into the screen, canonically having sex with the cartoon character and altering the course of the story? No? Then why should I give a fuck

No. 1714919

More men should be fat-shamed and have their representation erased from the public sphere.

No. 1714921

Just like with drawing chubby or muscular characters as super skinny, and super skinny characters as obese, I think it's weird when people stray so far from what that character looks like, or most likely would look like. If you're gonna draw a character, but change soooo many things about that character's appearance, why even draw them at all? It's like when westoids draw Junko Enoshima as this really fat, deeply dark-skinned girl instead of, you know, how she actually looks.

No. 1714922

Samefag as >>1714905 but I was talking about one anon in particular, not everyone
I mean, if you like something controversial, you should at least get a backbone when people admit they don't like it.

No. 1714928

>I mean, if you like something controversial, you should at least get a backbone when people admit they don't like it.
What do you mean by "get a backbone"? Anyone can like or dislike anything. I'm just confused on why it's important, because some people seem to make it their entire life to be hopping mad about strangers online liking some cartoon they don't like or think is controversial. At the end of the day, it all comes down to "I don't like it" or "I like it", and you can't argue someone into changing their own personal taste. Just seems pointless.

No. 1714929

we are talking about anime humanizations they are already as far away from canon as they could be, kek

No. 1714932

I'm moreso referring to all the muscly/hypermasculine man fans who accuse any woman who likes bishonens/feminine anime men of being pedo/ephebophiles

No. 1714934

Then I suppose I did exaggerate, and I take it back. I still feel like the model-thin body type being forced on characters that just aren't is still rather silly to look at.

No. 1714935

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I think it's like taking Po from Kung Fu Panda and making him a human twink; it just doesn't make sense
Yeah it is all opinions based. There's just many anons itt that take it as a personal attack when people don't like a very obviously controversial theme in art
Don't think anyone in this thread is doing that, but I do agree that that's pretty stupid

No. 1714936

Wasn't implying you were the same person, just responding to both of you. It's just kind of weird to be fine with insulting other women's tastes and low-key calling them pedos, but then get bothered at something as small as the word "musclepig".

No. 1714938

I'm sorry that it's weird as shit to be an adult drawing porn of characters that are depicted as minors, but it is. Nothing wrong with drawing minors, I just think you're a weirdo if you're compelled to draw porn of characters that are depicted as minors.

No. 1714942

Rose quartz from Steven universe is a humanized female being so it's also weird to change her character design like that. It's like, just draw skinny characters then..

No. 1714944

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit, no one's mad at the word roidpig and I never called them a pedo. Love yourself

No. 1714949

Only you said "roidpig", and I never said you personally called anyone a pedo. You're clearly so bothered you've surpassed poor reading comprehension and jumped staight to illiteracy. You are entitled to an obesity fetish, nobody's judging. Just stop malding at other women for not liking the same, hope that helps.

No. 1714951

what about people drawing jotaro lewds

No. 1714960

I can tell you that I don't engage. I literally post what I want and don't even touch the gendie topics. Yeah they follow me but I don't really interact much outside of limited commentary. I don't even have my gender in my bios anywhere. At the end of the day literally no one cares unless you make it an issue. And if someone else tries to make it an issue you ignore them like moids do. You shouldn't fear posting if you aren't giving them any ammo to begin with. And if your goal is to just post your art, that's just about anyone is going to care about anyway. Good luck nona!

No. 1714967

lore olympus follows the plot of sexy billionaire romances with a tumblr appealing artstyle and I'm surprised more western artists don't fill this niche. It gets a lot of hate and made fun of like those kinds of romance novels but they keep raking in the dough.

No. 1714968

Literally. Furry characters drawn as human is so up to personal interpretation and taste, it's a non-issue. Imagine if someone got mad over a humanized Donald Duck wearing pants or not having webbed feet.

No. 1714970

NTA but depending on the type of art, especially if you draw fanart, someone will eventually ask or comment on some fanart you made like calling the guy a woman instead because they think he's "totally trans." If you draw subjects that are more niche or not humanoid focused at all like landscapes, you have little to worry about.

For OG nonna, just don't talk about gender at all and avoid anyone with a shit ton of descriptors in their bio or characters that are common to be transwashed like Yamato from One Piece or Naoto from Persona. I've met at least one other woman that I talk to sometimes about our mutual interest and there seems to be no interest for gender topics at all from her. Good luck!

No. 1714972

This has been me, as a kid and teen I crushed on adult characters who even in a fantasy world wouldn't (and shouldn't) look at me twice, and now when I come back to them that disconnect doesn't exist anymore to interrupt kek

No. 1714976

They're also weird unless it's like the versions where he's an adult because he eventually does become one naturally. Like when people draw lewds of teen and kid Naruto when the adult one is right fuckin there

No. 1714980

The adult Naruto sucks. A lot of people do prefer the hyper active version that more fun and giddy on purpse because its endearing. Not because they want to fuck the child version. Minor characters are always, always depicted with bigger personalities. That's why people like those characters and why so much story revolves around them.

No. 1714982

Nta but I totally agree. So many anime out there are animated weirdly and I hate the unnatural movements and body language, which is unfortunate because usually the way it looks visually speaking is nice and has nice colors and clean lines etc. but the movements can ruin it. Western animation suffers less from this but has the opposite issue with the designs and colors not being that good, especially in 3D or flash animation. Hand drawn will always be the best.

No. 1714983

Have you not seen the messy shortcuts outside of squash and stretch in 2d animation in the west? Anons really have no idea what you're talking about.

No. 1714985

i consider art like to basically be gijinkas but of already human characters.

No. 1714987

Fr. And fire anyone who makes "adult jokes" in kids shows because imo that's retarded. And the "it's for the parents!" excuse doesn't work, my parents turned the tv off and yelled at me to go to my room whenever an adult joke played in a kids show, because sane parents know better to not let their kids be exposed to adult themes at a young age. Early porn exposure fetish and all that.

No. 1714990

Nta but just don't watch shit modern cartoons and video games, plus don't take tumblr's opinions on what's hot because they're all retarded. Watch shows you like and crush on characters you genuinely like. That's what I do and I'm happy with my current husbandos, all hot adult males from cartoons aimed at older kids and teenagers that I used to love as a kid.

No. 1714993

Ot and nta but this fan art is very adorable! Who's the artist? Do they have a pixiv or deviantart? I want to see their interpretation of the rest of the group lol

No. 1714996

What do you mean? Sorry I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not an artist or that deep in the animation discourse, I just like reading the rants and discussions here.

No. 1715002

Your critique is exactly why I said squash and stretch. You have no actual professional basis around what you're talking about. Japan is known for shitty shortcuts in animation all the time, in fact, it tends to get pointed out consistently more than Western animation when it comes to drawing 2D, especially frames. I'm not going to spend my time explaining everything, but if you think Japanese animation is superior somehow, you need a reality check. Both have strengths and weaknesses based on who is animating and the company, but neither is better than the other. Also the anon mentioning jittering that you replied to has no idea what actual jittering is in animation.

No. 1715003

No. 1715014

Oh, I see. But I still like the way anime looks on average compared to a western show, and western shows that look decent usually have anime influence on them. But at the end of the day they all outsource to korea and china, and some even outsource to india for 3D stuff so whatever.

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No. 1715016

You're the only one malding kek roidpig, musclepig, no one cares, they're all the same thing. You said "low-key calling them pedos" and now are claiming people have an obesity fetish. Sorry someone insulted your type in anime boys I guess
It's insane. What's even more crazy is why so many kids shows are centered around toilet humor and butt/twerking jokes. Teen Titans Go especially had this problem

No. 1715017

Take your meds, seriously. Only crazy people get this pissy over nothing.

No. 1715019

The call is coming from inside the house retard

No. 1715021

What a pathetic response.

No. 1715022

Exactly. Ignore all hype, fandoms are cancerous. Consume only what appeals to you and be happy.

No. 1715027

because it wasn't even a discussion to begin with lol you were only assuming people were arguing against you, and then calling people who told you you were wrong out for malding

No. 1715028

Agreed, I think Japan has more of a base "friend group" (as in actual friends, not nepo stuff and politics) culture when it comes to passion-related work like manga. It doesn't feel forced with them.

This is just kind of autistic, maybe log off. It's fan art for a reason.

No. 1715030

I don't even know what you're talking about. It just sounds like you got offended at something random, and revived an infight from hours ago to rage more. "Roidpig" or "musclepig" or whatever are not slurs, and not every anon is whoever you've been arguing with for weeks.

No. 1715033

>uwu most embarrassing behavior!
go join a church

No. 1715041

Seriously, that anon would never come here again if she knew about Ko-chan, or just looked at some of the threads in /g/.

No. 1715058

You just reminded me of the Flaky gender debate I was way too invested in as a teen. It was obvious to me she was a girl but I didn’t like when most gijinkas made her so girly because I read her as more of a tomboy. I know now that the Japanese artists just want to make their art cute and don’t care about being 100% accurate and they also draw characters in the Japanese ideal. That’s why they draw fat characters skinny or dark skinned characters lighter. The deliberately making her gender confusing and the pandering to fans shit in HTF was retarded, I guess they found the fan fighting over if Flaky was male or female funny. Today they’d use the same reasons as to why people were confused about her gender, her design not being pink or having eyelashes, to be a reason why she’s actually a tranny or gendie.

No. 1715060

>I know now that the Japanese artists just want to make their art cute and don’t care about being 100% accurate and they also draw characters in the Japanese ideal.
This. So many western people online seem unable to wrap their heads around this even today, lmao.

No. 1715080

More like go back to twitter

No. 1715086

>all hot adult males from cartoons aimed at older kids
can you give examples? because most modern cartoons have such a repelling style i cannot imagine unironically liking them, let alone wanting to fuck the characters

No. 1715101

This is probably a showpiece trailer they put their money into and the actual anime looks like dogshit. Happens all the time. But that said, yeah, I haven't watched anime in years because of this. It's not worth it, it's either CGDT or some shitty isekai/villainess/romcom that only relies on fanservice and scrote pandering. And I'm not saying this to be an edgy contrarian because I love anime, but the industry has completely lost all the dignity it once had.

>it always made me sad that Japanese artists can come up with the most retarded, boring, overdone idea ever and get to publish a manga and later get an anime adaptation.

Only now it doesn't even have to be a manga, most of them are light novel adaptations and straight out clones of an idea that has been regurgitated every single season for the past 2 years.

>I feel like I have been sabotaged for being born outside Japan as an artist.

I feel this a lot, anon. I sometimes want to punch a wall thinking about how unfair it is that some scrote in Japan created a lazy, shitty light novel about ogling a girl's boobs that reads like it was generated by a poorly worded chatgpt query yet scored fully animated adaptation out of it, a possibility every weeb on the planet can only dream of. I'm not even from the US so I have even less of a chance to gain any sort of a step beyond making a digital comic, and even if I was, it's next to impossible to get a decent animated show if you're not Noelle Stevenson or a boomer moid who worked on The Simpsons once.

No. 1715109

>This post
Was I transported back to 2005 or something? Anon sperging about "everyone only drawing scrawny twinks!!!" and Happy Tree Friends fanart? Go to /co/ to jerk off to your precious hypermuscular space marines.

No. 1715139

>Go to /co/ to jerk off to your precious hypermuscular space marines.

No. 1715142

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>This is probably a showpiece trailer they put their money into and the actual anime looks like dogshit.
I dont know why some of you are so salty at this fucking anime looking so good, kek. The anime is animated beautifully, and it has like 10 pages on Sakugabooru. For reference, kimi no na wa only has 5 pages. I don't know why but there has been an explosion of boring CGDCT with extremely polished and well done animation. Outside of pic rel there is also onimai and the new IM@S anime. Thank good that sakugabooru exists, so I don't have to watch boring anime only for the SAKUGA.

No. 1715151

Posters here are salty because very good animation was wasted on softcore pedophile fapping material.

No. 1715152

Samefag. Legit, smelling toenail bits? Leg length competitions? The manga was so obviously written by a man. I fucking hate it when men write anything involving teenage girls. They should all castrate themselves than do that shit.

No. 1715153

Yeah, i am salty too, but it's retarded to be like ''reee it isnt even good reee its shit'' when it's objectively really good animation. I though Japan was running out of money, so i am kinda amazed at how literal CGDCT shit is able to get such quality of animation. I imagine at this point the anime industry is completly run by passion-driven otakus who just want to draw cute girls.

No. 1715158


Even though the account was public, they only knew it was hers because she told them about it privately. You can argue whether that is a good or bad idea but if the first thing you do about being told about something in confidence is to go and tell other people- nevermind all the other shit that followed- that should be the first sign you are an untrustworthy piece of shit lawl

oh yeah and all this spiraled from someone not wanting to fuck someone. If Ang didn't draw porn that literally every other dude and woman in animation does or has done in some point. This is really just weaponizing pro/anti-ship content and tbh as long as your content isn't directly tied to your job or work draw whatever porn you want on the side it doesn't matter.

The only time you should lose your job is if you hurt someone else or if it is publically tied to that specific brand. But creating under a public alias that people only knew about because you told them in confidence? Should be fair game to do whatever you want.

oh and… all this from not wanting to fuck someone. It wasn't about protecting the children it was at the end of the day about an ego

No. 1715188

kek omg nooo she drew two characters kissing she's literally a child molester

No. 1715195

She also drew Marceline kissing Finn, which was well into her professional career. Yeah comparing her to convicted pedophiles is a bit much but so are your examples. Stephen King was literally bleeding cocaine, and the whole thing independent of that part reads like a weird schizo dream. However your Hillenburg example is the weirdest and most out of place. What makes what he did any more different than what Rebecca Sugar did? None of the characters in Spongebob are children anyway? Why are you extrapolating on "missing pages"?

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No. 1715204

Also what's the name of the Rugrats guy? I can't find info on any Rugrats creator going to jail.

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No. 1715241

I only ever saw disconnected manga pages on Pinterest and thought the art was not only cute, but really competent; how delicate the girls were, the wrinkles in the clothes, the different poses. Then I actually read the manga and one of the very first chapters was the toenail clipping scene. What the fuck. Previously I thought that maybe the artist liked drawing CGDCT the same way someone loves to obsessively draw skateboarding maids in ankle-length dresses but after that fucking scene, you just couldn't read the manga without seeing a thin pedo veneer smeared all over it.

No. 1715246

since people are saying he's the creator, he isn't a creator but he did direct several episodes.

No. 1715261

i wasnt the retard saying he was the creator though, i said he was an storybaorder.

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same, i almost got tricked into watching/reading it because the style seemed very feminine. He has that japanese AGP style, like hisashi eguchi.

No. 1715289

Japanese agp style completely captures the essence of cute though so its forgivable

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kek, agreed. it's funny how you can tell when a japanese author is agp, they have a weirdly cutesy style that doesn't feel too sexual at first glance.

No. 1715325

This whole drama makes sense once you realise a large proportion of the people who made call outs on here were TIMs or teenage girls

No. 1715366

Jesus this thread is so infested by moids it's unreal.

No. 1715375

Actually the new trend is to draw husbandos with massive pecs…

No. 1715383

>everyone that disagrees with me is a moid
The animation is nice even if it's not up to your snob standars, way more than a shitty CGDCT anime deserves

No. 1715384

I hate when they draw pecs like boobs, it's so disgusting

No. 1715388

It's just more troon projection. A few years ago it was all the rage for them to draw their husbandos with pinched waists, zippertits and hairy cunts. Now it's all about flab and pecs that look like ovoid Eiken teats rather than actual moid pectorals.

No. 1715394

why do all porn artists fucking suck at drawing. just absolutely garbage at making appealing/erotic art. idk

No. 1715396

When you're addicted to porn and having an orgasm all the time, it kind of takes your brain away from everything else, including focusing properly on any art skill.

No. 1715406

I love drawing sexy males I love drawing their cute faces contorted in pleasure, their impossibly sexy bodies, perfectly sculpted cocks… nonnies….

No. 1715409

How can i be like you… how do i get better at drawing hot guys. please… its so hard.

No. 1715415

nonnie living her best life

No. 1715426

I’m so horny for sexy men 24/7 I am drawing them and thinking about them all day, I am highly motivated. But my practical advice is that I study a lot of classic capcom artists.
I love my life I love existing.

No. 1715440

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Maybe I'm oversensitive as someone who has been both overweight and has had a ED + body dysmorphia, but if an artist drew me as significantly larger than I am and posted for everyone to see I may literally have killed myself in pure terror and humiliation. I hope those girls either never find out or that they have such high confidence it doesn't bother them.

No. 1715441

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But how do you draw perfectly sculpted cocks? Real cocks aren't very perfect looking…
Picture unrelated

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hahahaha… foul

No. 1715449

I'm talking about older cartoons, not modern ones. And no I can't give an example because they're too niche and I posted about some of them before and I don't wanna end up avatarfagging accidentally.

No. 1715450

she drew them as if a coomer would disgusting hopefully they never find this

No. 1715451

never thought i would see a fat fetish female artist. really weird to make people fatter than they are.

No. 1715453

it's like she doesn't realize being a large girl can be "traumatic" and having someone point it out, highlight and exaggerate it is pretty much just bullying even if she herself thinks she's just making silly cartoons. Using real people and putting like 1% blur on the face as if that makes the person unrecognizable seems so rude too

No. 1715454

muh exaggeration and stylization

No. 1715461

>Moid art

No. 1715462

Long and smooth, a bit of a curve on the belly. Ideal head to shaft proportion is ~5-6 “heads” tall (lol). The glans should be round, nice cleaved chestnut shape. A modest slope to his corona. The frenulum and foreskin are important as well, most of your time rendering should be spent here. One thing I find that makes cocks especially aesthetic is making this area more red in hue compared to the glans, which is a bit more purple. His balls gotta be nice, smooth, and weighty while still looking supple and suitable for a slapping.
Cocks gotta be leaky and shiny too, dripping with excessive precum to show his desperation. In the same vein, it’s necessary to show the man’s face looking broken in pleasure (but never make him ugly, as a male’s face is also always meant to be beautiful for the audience to admire). It’s important to show both his throbbing cock alongside with what it is doing to him mentally. That’s eroticism.

I need to draw a sexy man getting his perky ass slapped and shooting loads of thick sperm right now.

No. 1715463

Damn nona, I really want to see your art of hot men with slappable balls!

No. 1715471

i'm sure nona's drawings are great, but it would be so funny if her art skills were terrible after that detailed description

No. 1715480

I have been drawing sexy males for the majority of my time on Earth. My power will only continue to grow.

No. 1715482

Kek. Please join us on the doodle board sometime, anonita.

No. 1715488

I'm sorry but, do people really think this is cute and well-done? The frames may be well-rendered but the movement is choppy and nonsensical. Look at when the girl ties up her hair, I literally can't tell what kind of movement the arms are supposed to be doing. They're moving but it looks like the girl is having a seizure and she can't remember how to tie her hair. They spend so much time on the clothing folds and hair strands but the animation itself isn't very good.

No. 1715495

I have recently started requiem vampire knight, and it is good

No. 1715496

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>men with slappable balls!
KEK I died

No. 1715497

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Forgot picrel

No. 1715507

Damn I wish I could draw hot men all the time. Instead I have to draw commissions of ugly genderspecial ocs…

No. 1715523

Same nona.
The men I draw looks good but only in two angles and with 3 hours of just tweaking the face ugh

No. 1715527

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No. 1715530

seconding requiem vampire knight,, its really nice and interesting.

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Yeah, it reminded me of this gif kek I'm sure every frame looks good by itself but the movement is too much to be natural. Also what the fuck is that bit with her strand in her mouth?

No. 1715560

I am in a fortune position in which I can dedicate hours of my day to my craft and passion.
Men should be drawn in such a way where the viewer made subconsciously aware he is a merely a flesh piston to deliver countless cock strokes to his wife. Nothing is more an appealing than a man with thick quads and a tight ass (the anatomical center of cock propulsion). I study anatomy obsessively to draw his fuck muscles.
It’s my goal as an artist to send the world a message that men exist to be pleasure objects.

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I'm sorry guys let me just rant a bit. W.I.T.C.H. was one of my favorite series growing up and the one thing that I appreciated the most was the lovely art but the style of the reboot is so damn lackluster… I know the og style had an anime influence but it still looked unique! And obviously the anatomy was better, the coloring was better, the rendering was better. This drawing might work for fanart but for a published edition it sucks. The composition in particular throws me off, it looks awkward and cheap. I also don't like the way their faces are drawn, just taking away all the character. A big point of W.I.T.C.H. was that every girl looked unique. Also Taranee's pose really fucking bothers me. I'm not saying this particular artist is bad it's just that this doesn't hold to the same standard

No. 1715579

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>flesh piston
>supple, slapable balls
kekkkk this is why I keep coming back to this imageboard

No. 1715582

I think this looks super cute

No. 1715583

Yeah ok I'll hide this thread now

No. 1715591

you are totally right anon. my other gripe with the reboot apart from the the blandness of the style (in comparison) is why did they suck all the life out of them ? they look like dull ghosts, bring the tan back ! ugh i hate it. it's not an interesting artstyle but it's not really ugly either which honestly makes me more upset

No. 1715593

Whos that girl with white hair? I don't remember her.

No. 1715595

Have you considered doing requests in the /g/ husbando thread?

No. 1715601

I’ve never considered it before but now I am.
Thank you for your appreciation.
You reject my vision now but one day you will reflect on my words and realize I am right.

No. 1715602

It's just a very average artstyle that doesn't stand out. It's not offensive, but kinda stiff. And yes, they made a lot of changes to their personality and switched some things around, Taranee is now a mean jock, Cornelia is woobified and Hay Lin is the nerd ugh… also Will is an actual ginger now and took away her tan. The redesigns are pretty generic too. Taranee is probably the biggest offense to me personally

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I find Taranees style cuter in the reboot than the original but apparently the story is completely different from the original…

No. 1715622

I think that's supposed to be Elyon?

No. 1715635

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Bleak but late to Stephen King, everything he's made has women being raped and/or victimized as a plot point. The rest are news to me though. The Spongebob one cuts real deep, Stephen Hillengburg must be rolling in his grave.

Its the same old tired song and dance.

>Men in animation draw the same kind of content all the time get to keep their jobs get to put it into mainstream media and be praised for it

Other pedofiles get to get away with it -why can't I!?

>It just feels unfair, why can't I publicly be a pedo!? uwu

>This is the equivalent of revenge porn(kek), people exposing my fictional/private kinks(of child abuse) publicly

I'm a pedo who put my pedophilic work out into the public for other predators and in doing so victimized children but I, the distributor of child pornography am the victim! uwu

Lesbian detected

No. 1715637

Bait detected.

No. 1715664

This appeals to the level 99 neet otaku who has been isolated from women for so long that they've forgotten what it looks like when they eat.

No. 1715680

I try not to hate on anime, but it's so hard not to hate so much of it.

No. 1715696

>lesbian detected

No. 1715700

It's just bait, ignore

No. 1715715

I think Hay Lin looks cute, and I know that hair like this is trendy at the moment, but I cannot help but immediately think about the "the token Asian girl with a random streak of colored hair" trope

No. 1715717

kek i like to copy from real people too(normally old cons) but why the fuck would you post it online? that's the shit that you keep to yourself or upload without the ref attached, how creepy

No. 1715719

it's good but it's literally this, there is so little to animate they overcompensate by making everything bouncy. Personally, i really like it, but i can understand its not everyone's cup of tea, however you cannot deny it's well done, that's just cope nonny

No. 1715728

That girl moves like those ai-interpolated 60fps videos kek

No. 1715731

No way they gave my girl Taranee the stupid zoomer broccoli haircut… Also her skin is borderline gray. I agree the og art is much better.

No. 1715732

ikr, couldn't they have used those movements for a scene that actually deserves the effort?

No. 1715738

some of you are some retarded, that's the joke

No. 1715743

I'd be so mad if someone gave me more of a waist definition than I have and gave me sexualized ideals to make my bigger body be more appealing.

No. 1715745

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Original artist is best known for picrel, I guess it could cause some problems in the current year kek.

No. 1715755

gross what the fuck, couldnt they hire any artist that wasnt a fucking coomer for their comics made for girls?

No. 1715770

They really calling anyone an artist these days

No. 1715785

>seething scrote posting schizobabble
How original

No. 1715789

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I dislike anime at times for these type of art tropes along with others, but the amount of western animation geared towards older audiences looks pretty slim (especially outside family guy clones), so I just read manga instead. Boom, no more weird animation

No. 1715796

Why does Taranee look like an ftm he/they now? In the original comic she was just as girly as her friends.

No. 1715804

Believe or not but Skydoll was shilled as a feminist comic back then, because it featured sex liberation themes (weird sex scenes) and matriarchy kek.

No. 1715805

Huh? She looks like a normal sporty looking girl. The way you described it I expected to see tranny art when it looks normal. Was it the sports bra you mistook for a binder

No. 1715812

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She likes to exaggerate conventionally unattractive features, look at picrel of her drawing of herself in the Spiderverse style. Her nose isn’t that crooked irl. Even when they’re not there, for example the woman on the left doesn’t look like she has that belly or ass. (And also as other anons pointed out she’s made them look sexier at the same time fsr) It’s not wrong to exaggerate but she’s either naïve to how publicly posting these looks assholish or she’s doing a mean girl move. Like if she’s going to make a lesson out of this at least use stock photos or a movie for an example, at least those are actors and not just totally random normal people. If she chose celebrities she could have made the caricatures as mean as she wanted and no one would’ve cared.

No. 1715815

She's still cute, she just looks way different compared to the rest of the girls. In the original she had a nerdy thing going on and dressed in bright colors.

No. 1715816

feminist is just a scape goat to sexist porn and get away with it nowadays

No. 1715817

she's kind of a mediocre artist

No. 1715822

kek she made herself look so much uglier
i vividly remember that at some point the art of W.I.T.C.H. started getting more and more sexualized and it made me feel uncomfortable. it sucks because i always found the characters very relatable and for instance irma, will and cornelia reminded me of other girls from my life. they weren't trope-y and had very realistic problems

No. 1715888

>It’s my goal as an artist to send the world a message that men exist to be pleasure objects
Based, not enough males know this.

No. 1715891

I thought that post was meant to be sarcastic, am I missing something??

No. 1715907

File: 1696450707129.webm (1 MB, 576x1024, wtf.webm)

I dont use tiktok, can someone tell me whats up with monialynn? this is beyond creepy what the fuck, i though it was an edit

No. 1715911

is this bitch really glamorizing grooming right now or is she disturbed by the fact who she liked were pedos

No. 1715912

What part do you find creepy? And where are you following her if not tiktok kek don't tell me you like her art

No. 1715913

She seems horrified by that fact, not glamorizing it. This is the discussion we had upthread.

No. 1715917

i just saw it posted on a cringe tiktok compilation kek. i dont know why but it feels creepy to me

No. 1715918

i understand why i find it creepy its the ''i actually had a CHANCE'' part, it's very poorly worded

No. 1715924

There's a w.i.t.c.h. reboot??? Man, the art style looks tumblruan gendie woke-esque with all the horrible facial features, wrong weird skin tones, and terrible fashion sense. Why did they make Cornelia and Irma darker? And as another anon said, why did they make Teranee gray? And is the platinum blone supposed to be eleon?

No. 1715926

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I've seen that exact phrase used as a form of joke-coping about youtubers getting exposed for having talked with underage fans, don't know why she decided to make it this dramatic animation because it shifts the tone too much and makes the intent unclear. Her other art is about her DBH oc being with connor kek I'm always so baffled by women who draw these coomshit proportions and emotionless faces. It always feels like they are memeing themselves into this stuff because that's all they see online

No. 1715928

So they could animate all these unnatural movements but not mouth shapes that match the Japanese language pronunciation kek

No. 1715936

I read the entire comic but I don't remember it getting more sexual? But I remember in the early chapters Irma used her transformation to go on a date with an older boy which was weird. And I always thought their transformations making them appear older was strange, as well as their relationships being mostly with boys older than them who go to college by the end of the comics while thd girls are still in high school. I also remember the art style changing because of another artist taking over who had an ugly code lyoko knock off anime art style and it was painful to look at.

No. 1715939

I think she literally thinks she's being woke and inclusive by doing this. Like she's saying "I saw these fat women as inspiration and made them look sexy and curvy when we all know normal people wouldn't do that to these fatties, and look how not-perfect I am admitting to being with my crooked nose, aren't I nice and humble and inclusive".
I think she's just so woke she's gone all the way to rude performative asshole

No. 1715944

Now this example is a lot different than the other two above. There are more frames here, making the movement smoother for sure but again the movement is just so odd and wrong. Still not very well-done despite the number of frames and good rendering. Animation is about the movement, not about how many details there are in a frame.

Same. I used to watch a lot more anime but now I haven't seen one in years. Everything is catering to gross ugly coomers and the stories are boring. Plus the average style seems to be going to shit, I'm so tired of retarded-looking moe anime girls making random noises every two seconds.

No. 1715957

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But it is whimsical and nostalgically childish. Definitely not an exclusive style or attribute to japaneee artists, personally I think Yoshitomo Nara’s work looks like old school Scandinavian cartoons.

Either way, I only posted the Japanese gallery artists >>1710164 to show that the generalization of all Japanese art being sameface anime coomer art wasn’t true. Not to say it was superior to western art or to highlight those artists as flawless.

No. 1715999

The chicken nugget example is technically well animated but it's way too noticeably an example of what >>1715664 said but not specifically for women, for everything. It reminds of that story about Miyazaki telling the Spirited Away animators to make dragon Haku leaving the river look like a dog shaking of water after a bath and getting triggered because the animators didn't know what a dog leaving bath looked like.

I can see how someone could appreciate the animation of those things, but it makes me think that the animator are wasting their skill making scenes way too bouncy and jerky for no reason when it could have looked better with less effort.
And I hate when shows noticeably do your vidrel. It comes of as "pandering" in a way.

No. 1716040

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What is up with Cornelia’s eyebrows though

No. 1716068

This looks so generic. Like these tumblr cute art styles, easy to look at but so damn boring cus everyone looks the same. They butchered them and if that white haired girl is really elyon then it's worse than I thought.

No. 1716079

I actually think this is really cute. It's better to me than modern kids animation styles, and appeals to the rise in popularity of anime in the west. It will be good for kids

No. 1716083

You really can't beat the graphic novel style but it's too detailed for animation I guess

No. 1716086

Why isn't Irma and Will tomboys anymore? Why does it have to be Taranee who's a tomboy? because she's black? why isn't hay lin a weird girl with an alien aesthetic? I don't like this. They probably created it to compete with winx club season 9 reboot.

No. 1716089

Omg they gave Irma lipo and top surgery

No. 1716092

Goddayum they look so similiar to each other now. At least in the original you could see subtle differences between the girls' faces (Cornelia's face being longer, Hay Lin's eyes smaller). But now, they all have the "generic cute face".

No. 1716093

Legit, the fuck. Irma's literally supposed to be "thicker" than the rest of the girls.

No. 1716094

reminds me to how they ruined Monster High by making all of them into cutesy filtered tiktok/insta models, awful, just awful

No. 1716097

why do black characters often get such weird desaturated skintones? it looks so weird.

No. 1716109

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I like Olivier Ledroit‘s art. The story is pretty much moid edgelord bullshit so fair warning. He also worked on Wika.

No. 1716110

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I hate how much they changed their character design. Hay Lin and Will have the skintone of printerpaper, Taranee looks ashy, Irma looks happy go lucky and Corneila has perment dipples now. Also hate that Hay Lin is now an Asian hair streak trope.

No. 1716149

I had a friend who specifically fell in love with this series because irma was "big boned" and so was she, that's how I was introduced. She was also funny and her weight meant alot in the series because it never detracted from her character. It's weird seeing them change basically the whole essence of her kek

No. 1716153

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They MASSACRED my girl who tf is that platinum blonde Elsa bitch with the spiral perm

No. 1716195

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anyone following this? i dont know if it's true or the artist is making it up for attention, but wild if true

No. 1716206

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he's asking for money so this have to be fake right? but also why make up something as retarded as getting doxxed for using a ms paint tool bar when being a higurashi fan that's also a ginger enough? weird stuff

No. 1716255

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I can believe it, they draw that ms paint animecore shit zoomers are big into but attracts the most insane fucking people. But at the same time they’re not taking the precautions like privating, not posting pictures of themselves, and not taking commissions which could open them up for scams like any normal person going through this situation would. Just shows what Twitter does to your brain.

No. 1716304

Hmm I don't know nonny but after taking a look at his profile I think this shit is fabricated.
And, I could be wrong but I don't think the drawings where made on ms paint, and there's the fact that all of the drawings are in poor quality so you can't see the pixels clearly.
Sahed for tinfoiling.

No. 1716629

What are anons' favorite ways to organize art inspirations? Stuff like references, favorite paintings, drawings in styles you want to achieve, that kind of thing. Pinterest is alright now that you can sub-section boards but it compresses the images and the braindead zoomer "OMG WHAT IS THIS" comments can get pretty annoying, not to mention that stuff you upload can get taken down at any time if it's deemed mature content. I also just download stuff to my hard drive + use a big pureref file but I worry for my storage space. Sorry if this is an autistic question I just like organizing things

No. 1716631

They butchered Hay Lin who the fuck is that… and that is not Elyon either they always iron out the cool designs into the most boring generic shit

No. 1716636

Elyon was my girl and they gave her a full lacefront I hate this

No. 1716637

I honestly hope they don't make Taranee a they/them. but I totally see it happening because she was the nerdy tomboy in the group.

No. 1716641

But she wasn't, she just had short hair. All of them were a degree of "tomboy" except hay Lin and Cornelia

No. 1716649

you don't get nonny, Taranee was the one who was good at math and that's a boy thing!!!

No. 1716672

its fake, animecore bitches are one of the most attention whorey people you can meet also i dont think theyre doxxing (if its true) just for the artist using a toolbar in their art i think its probably some other bullshit they are being harassed for, animecore artists are canabalize each other all the time or it could be they were trying to le 4chAN EDGEY

No. 1716675

Because the autistic weeb /beg/ scrotes in this thread think more movement = better animation and get personally offended every time someone doesn't think brainless malepandering anime waifu shit is the pinnacle of art. Seriously, this thread is so fucking chock full of men and they don't even bother to hide it. They're even more annoying and lacking of taste than the salty tiktok artists who come here to post petty drama of an artist they're jealous of. And on the off chance that it's actually scrotebrained women, then shame on them.

No. 1716678

>For OG nonna, just don't talk about gender at all
AYRT and see the thing is, I sorta want to make it vocally known that I don't support gender bullshit at all. I know this would be social suicide online but I want to put a line in the sand of being an artist who openly doesn't support gender ideology. The stereotype is that artists have to just accept trans bullshit and I want to be an example of just because you're an artist doesn't mean you have to support that.

Again, it's not like I intend to blather on and on about how stupid gender ideology is, I was just thinking of making a disclaimer pinned tweet or picture and letting it speak for itself.

No. 1716680

Is it just me or is Taranee drawn weirdly sexualized with the skintight clothes vacuumed to her body and pronouncing her curves? The way this artists draws her has bothered me since I saw the first promotional images because everyone else is portrayed as a normal teenage girl while Taranee is given this strangely sexy flare when in the original she was the nerdy brainiac in contrast to her more confident witch form.

Overall I find it so strange that they picked such a subpar artists for the job because the original comic was so known for the lively, intricate art style that going from that to the flat, deadfaced webtoon aesthetic seems so cheap. I doubt they gave a shit about making a good tribute since the purpose is to cash in on a nostalgic property.

No. 1716686

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>I find Taranees style cuter in the reboot
I have to respectfully disagree

No. 1716688

Limit yourself to a short spiel, not pinned, just make it very clear and then leave it at that and not mention it again. Keeps it classy

No. 1716690

>Is it just me or is Taranee drawn weirdly sexualized with the skintight clothes vacuumed to her body and pronouncing her curves?
No, I have to agree. It gives off intentional troon vibes
The befores are a lot cuter to me, they could have toned down on the yellow skin but the style was so much more unique and iconic

No. 1716693

>What is up with Cornelia’s eyebrows though
oh my god she's doing the wiggle brow trend

now THIS is superior cartoons kek Little My, my beloved

No. 1716695

File: 1696493691954.png (314 KB, 396x401, susan.png)

Adding on, I really don't get what they were thinking with Will's mom

No. 1716698

Samefag to wonder why the fuck every "artist" in this post was written in plural as "artists", I have no idea how it happened but I guess autocorrect had its hand in it. I'm not a retard I swear

Good to know I'm not the only one kek, they're supposed to be like 13 so it feels so weird to have her look like such a pandering bombshell. It feels like the artist wanted to make her some fetishized "sexy strong black woman" stereotype and it feels inappropriate in contrast to how she was in the original. I don't think that's intentional, they just picked the wrong person for the job.

KEK what the fuck??? I'd love to know the reasoning behind this change, I know whitewashing is such a meme but if this isn't a clear example of it then I don't know what is. It's like they're trying to troll us.

No. 1716699

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Looking at some more pages, damn, you are onto something. What possessed them to turn a shy nerdy 13 year old girl into this?

Also the new artist @GiuliaAdragna on twitter said Taranee is her favorite redesign lol

No. 1716700

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Why did they uglify Cornelia so much? What are those brows and weird mouth, she looks like an alien. She was so pretty in the original too. She also doesn't have blue eyes and the brown eyes don't look the best in that design, all the other girls kept their eye color. Why does it seem like they were kinda virtue signaling with this… F for Elyon and Cornelia fans.

No. 1716701

Samefag, noticed they changed Will's eyes too. All the changes are ugly imo. One of the worst redesigns I've seen, very 2020 discontinued webtoon style.