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>>1830393Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
>useful youtube channelshttps://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelpainting :the antique hunter by Norman Rockwell
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.also check e-hentai
No. 1860373
>>1860342"How" you do something is more important that the "what".
Ex. Evangelion and Voltron are two shows avout kids piloting giant mechas but no one would seriously confuse the two as the same thing.
Ideas are honestly bot a big deal. Creativity is in the process, anyone can have ideas and most ideas by themselves are really not that novel anyways. Very creative and incredible things turn out to be really mubdane or simple when you reduce them to the basic idea.
No. 1860448
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>>1859402Good luck anon. I have the same goal but most covers in the industry are updating and going away from illustration to graphic design or flat art or stills from the tv/movie adaption. I think there are some markets but they’re niche. In YA you get Bowater knockoffs and SF/F you get great illustrators if you’re Sanderson but even his books are getting an “upgrade”. Your best bet is to get an in with an author.
>>1859824I missed blue lady, is there a thread on it?
No. 1860663
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>>1858874Reminds me of this Kojima type artist I follow, this subject matter is honestly a dime a dozen and you like what you like but you can more clearly see what's going on in this one
No. 1861122
>>1860690Anon's just mocking that one other anon criticizing the art without really knowing what she was talking about. She said it was like Kojima but Bani-chan (the twink piece artist, also the animator of The Greatest Living Show, kek at the anon dragging her art while comparing it to another one of her pieces) is clearly inspired by Amano instead. Takato Yamamoto is obviously a well-established artist and not really a clone of anyone else, the subject matter may be similar but the style is nothing like Kojima's.
If anon is serious then this thread is filled with retards.
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I don't understand how this artist has over 100k followers on Twitter. I know art is subjective, but it looks like all of their pieces took a total of 10 minutes to make.
No. 1861916
>>1861644do you really think moids care about quality?
>be moid>see le cute/sexy animu gurl>oooohhhh i'm gonna coooom>like and follow>repeatand of course there are also the troons that project themselves onto the drawing and say shit like "omg literally meee I'm a cute animu gurl"
No. 1862041
>>1861644Retards with no taste and possibly bots because lots of hack pay Meta for their content to be promoted
Social media in general favors no-effort no-thought content like this that is just coom and/or trendy
No. 1862069
>>1860690>>1860769No one knows what a scene is anymore. To be fair there's not many ressources on Japanese art scenes.
Yamamoto is affiliated that "eastern goth"/eroguro revival scene (angura ? I don't know how to call it) that was spawned in the 80s by Maruo & co. which is now usually lumped together with the rest of Japanese pop surrealism. Amano is not related to this scene as far as I know, and has more to do with fantasy artists. The only common ancestor they have is a few pieces of litterature at best. It's the same thing as comparing very different fashion subcultures together just because they're all edgy. More than one scene can use the same subject matter and concept, not everything that has a vampire on it is goth.
Bani is just apart of this group of people who like Dark Souls and Amano. On a side note I always wondered if she's just a little strange, or is she some sort of ana-chan weirdo like classicnymph ?
No. 1862117
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>>1862097it looks exactly like your average e-thot, he is probably badly copying a literal photo of a popular twitch titty streamer with OFs and putting anime faces on them.
Its just a copy of something else retarded zoomoids are trained to react to. Trend follow trend
No. 1862158
>>1862142Can you be a bit more specific/give an example of your problem or your goal for proportions?
In general though, as long as a given style doesn't break too many obvious proportional rules and is consistent in its own rules for body structure, it tends to look fine, imo.
No. 1862264
>>1860663I don't mean to sound like a sperg but learning one artist with a certain style doesn't mean that every other artist you deem similar is aping.
Your pic rel is Takato Yamamoto, known for his eroguro works, born in 1960, very well known. He happens to have an Instagram, but he's not new at all.
Ayami Kojima is self taught, we know what she worked on (many things, most notably Castlevania in 1997).
Yoshitaka Amano is the oldest of the three, was doing studio work in the late 60s before going freelance and developing his style. He's a fine artist, does gallery work and is extremely, extremely prolific. His Final fantasy work is most well known but his personal work and paintings for almost every other series are so much more impressive. The dates aren't to be a sperg just to show some time flow. Kojima is actually the youngest of the 3 that keep getting posted.
Not to rant but seeing nonas sperg about "Kojima clones" as if artists that are decades older than her or online artists who are clearly influenced by other artists relate to her at all is irritating.
>>1860690>>1861122>>1862069Might not have tagged everyone but thank you for actually having a brain. I don't know where this "Kojima" shit is coming from. She's one of my favorite artists but she's basically unrelated to these others.
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>>1862504i really hate this era
No. 1862548
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>>1862494But it didn't look like Kojima
No. 1862565
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Does anyone know where to get some procreate brushes for this type of sketchy, grainy lineart?the brushes don't have to be free
No. 1862618
>>1862553I hate to ride your coattails about this but they're fairly dissimilar aside from very mysterious subject matter and both having worked on games, both being Japanese.
I think nonas just have a problem with the insistent "eh, they're similar! I mixed them up!" When they're..not. I'm being pedantic, sorry but it's bugging me. The art posted in the other thread was so deeply Amano inspired that it's almost painful to see that misattributed.
No. 1862631
>>1860182Won't post a ton of detail since it's not directly art related so I don't know it's appropriate to discuss it here, but just wanted to give you nonna an update because major development: she just broke up with him + calling him
abusive + saying that she will keep the money from the fund me campaign she had made to buy him a bicycle for herself to move out (the campaign had gotten about $100 over the goal)
just wanna add some extra context that less than a week ago she was posting how one of the reasons she didn't want to move back to her parents' was because they would tell her to drop her "deadbeat" (she used the scare quotes) boyfriend kek also now she's saying her boyfriend just sits around and refuses to work even tho she was beefing with the random facebook woman the other day over him No. 1862718
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>>1859814What the literal fuck are you talking about stiff anatomy? Do you not see the lower half of the anime boys body? His tiny underdeveloped legs are fucking glued together. Looks pretty damn stiff to me.
I'm not redlinechan by the way.
And before you start spewing your verbal diarrhea about composition and style, I do think the drawing looks nice, and I do like stylistic art that forgoes realistic anatomy for a more stylized look. Doesn't change the fact that the artist fucked up the dudes legs.
No. 1862788
>>1862631Doesn't it amaze anyone else that so many artists online would rather beg for money to death than take AND FINISH (because a lot of them take like 25 commissions and do 4 of them KEK) Is it really so hard to be consistent with the thing you're supposed to be working at?
All that "i'm my own boss!1!" "i couldn't work a 9-5" "i can organize myself and it's so much more productive" for nothing, they're also shit as freelancers
No. 1862923
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while it's not bad art there is just something that infuriates me about this person's art style. the way they draw faces is sooo heinous to me and all social medias keep throwing it in my face. i can't stand looking at it to the point i had to block them from everywhere.
No. 1862935
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>>1862923I think it’s that they all have the same expressions and Stewie face shape, IMO the expression sticks out more on the Miku and Kobeni since since they’re characters I seen drawn with expressions.
No. 1862963
>>1862631Kek I'm happy she dumped him, maybe the stuff that facebook lady said about how easy it should be to get a job got to her after all. I hope she's not the type to get into relationships just because she's lonely and that she figures her situation out first now that she doesn't have to pay for him anymore
>>1862788Well, depending on what their current issue is it makes sense they wouldn't have the time to work, especially if they need a big amount of money. But a lot of artists do see it as a hobby and something that's not very serious
No. 1863004
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>>1862987apparently yes. i didn't know, their art look sm better with expressions i'm surprised
No. 1863016
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>>1862923its kind of strange shes suffering from sameface syndrome since her old art shows shes able to draw different face types?(even realistic) her landscape paintings are gorgeous though
No. 1863052
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>>1860218>i know i'd get called a pedo panderer and suchyou need to be a serious person! this wouldn't occur to somebody outside of this tiny sphere of the internet. pedophiles are attracted to any depiction of children regardless of the media. know that victorian pedos weren't any less disgusting about the sweet depictions of childhood from that era, but that doesn't affect the way a healthy person sees it.
immerse yourself in what inspires you, celebrate innocence and sweetness, and don't let pedo freaks nor the freaks on this website drag you down with sick thought processes.
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Recently, a Korean artist who draws art of butch lesbians became popular on Twitter. So ofc, trannies dug out her old tweets where she had rightfully expressed her anger about women getting assaulted by troons and forced her to issue an apology for it.
No. 1863228
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>>1863226Sad how she is giving out individual apologies to every other tranny who is dogpiling on her.
No. 1863232
>>1862554not a moid just a lesbian that enjoys dark hair?
also i like that she doesnt shoop her stubble into a blur
No. 1863290
>>1863273Making your career revolve around retarded social media apps is a big mistake. Artists didn't listen then and don't listen now even when all they post is feeding a machine learning algoritm.
As long as artists don't wake up they will keep shooting their own foots.
No. 1863299
>>1863226This is such deranged behaviour. That person found her butch artwork and must have immediately felt "bad vibes" as zoomies say and decided to obsessively comb through and translate all her tweets. I'm sure finding these was like early christmas kek this is so pathetic
>>1863273Yeah, if you need social media as an artist you have to make a very impersonal one and keep your other usernames hidden so no one will make the connection. It's best not to interact with anyone either, you can never know what following or replying to the wrong person could lead to.
No. 1863336
>>1863273i would just recommend having a side alt account to vent about troons or hiding it under a cover of irony even if you get called out just pretend not to see it or more better act like you are non binary!!1 and this is totes abuse!! , zoomers have a memory of a bird so they will soon move on to a more
popular target
speaking from experience never show your true feelings on ANYTHING do not back down from fear because thats what they want, be like the giga Stacey russian who stood against a tif and won
No. 1863343
>>1863336Just quit social media. It doesn't matter how based you think you are you are only a rat in a maze. Every excuse to stay there feeding the machine learning and getting addicted to outrage is just fedding Muskrat's game.
There is no art in social media, there is only content. Zoomers may be too far gone to realize this.
(derailing) No. 1863350
>>1862788In her case I think she keeps having technical issues with her drawing stuff, and when she put up emergency commissions people did tell her to make a go fund me. She has a bunch of fans that do genuinely see her as a
victim and just want to throw money at her. In her case it's ironic because she keeps floating between "I'm such a girlboss small business, my parents said I couldn't live from art but I such a girlboss selling stickers while also having a job" and "help I'm homeless again so I'm making a 4th go fund me".
I think her issue might be more that she decided she has to live in Seattle and is getting her butt kicked by big city rent. She has often made really impulsive decisions and doesn't seem to plan out the pros and cons of anything properly, so she gets herself into complicated situations.
>>1862963>maybe the stuff that facebook lady said about how easy it should be to get a job got to her after allDoubt it. She's just ridiculously sensitive about people giving her any sort of life advice and immediately goes on the aggressive. One person made a lighthearted jokey comment on her breakup post about it and she just kinda went "oh woops haha it's funny but it's not but it is", so she'll probably just pretend it didn't happen.
My prediction is that she will find another place and do pretty well for at least a few months, since she has the extra e-begging money and doesn't have to buy weed for the loser boyfriend, and go back to selling stickers and to girlboss posting.
The bad possibility is that she might immedeatly start spending way too much money on "little treats" with no future insight because she's slightly better off economically now and get herself back under the poverty line No. 1863442
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>>1863052I commented this in a another thread, but I love drawing little girls like picrel but I'm afraid of posting them, I don't want to attract the retarded pedos again.
It angers me that I can draw something cute and innocent without someone sexualizing it.
No. 1863496
>>1863226jesus christ on a stick, has there ever been any artist that had something similar happen and told them to fuck off?
asians shouldn't bend the knee to western mental illness
No. 1863502
>>1863299I used to be so gunho about interacting with people as well, and wondered why certain artists/people just post and go and don't interact with their followers. Well, as you can guess I no longer wonder. There's wayyy too much shit and drama. Especially on Twitter, good lord.
I want to start drawing GNC people, but I know it will attach the gendies, who think they are in good company. I would get them at my back door for drawing Roisin Murphy after her comments on puberty blockers on kids.
No. 1863506
>>1863336>>1863336At this point you even need a separate email account from main, too. As people have sussed out people's personal/academic addresses that are linked to a swerf and
terf account, like that Oxford professor.
No. 1863514
>>1863496It always reminds me of something said a couple threads ago:
Troons and other terminally online freaks love to go after women on social media because they know women are more likely to fall apart and bend to their will because not many people will back them up that readily. They're easy to attack.
Meanwhile, moids simply don't give a shit because one, they care more about continuing to create their perverted coomer shit, and two, they almost always have walls of horny whiteknights ready to back them up if shit happens. They'll never get deplatformed because their horny followers will always be there for them, meanwhile a woman is far more likely to be abandoned by her friends and followers because the care much more about maintaining a pristine "morally correct" image and "don't want to associate with bad people".
Being a woman on social media is fucking hell.
No. 1863790
>>1863578Anyone with a established presence should gtfou. Channels like proko and stuff like that should already be on their own sites out of youtube.
This will keep happening.
No. 1863800
This is the controversy that anon
>>1863578 was talking about btw.
No. 1863827
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>>1863823her art is honestly not that good
No. 1863835
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>>1863832Most modern fantasy artists are deadly scared of colors that arent black and neon purple/blue/pink for some reason. Older fantasy art used to be so colorful.
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>>1863836yeah older fantasy art was so cool at giving that ''adventure onto an unknown fantasy land'' feel, modern dnd art just feels like a bunch of adult cosplayers at a theme park.
No. 1863868
>>1863835But she doesn't even work on low saturation. Is always just grayscale.
I love old keith parkinson art too btw. I am not a dnd player but used to download the images and just stare at them and come up with stories.
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>>1863835Characters in old fantasy art look like real people. It makes for better immersion, gives more life. They also weren't afraid to make creatures or people ugly, even in the design sense. Modern fantasy keeps giving everyone stoic, chiseled Instagram model faces. Everyone has the silhouette of a knife, so angular. It also feels like less care is taken in modern fantasy too, there's not as much passion or time put in.
No. 1863932
>>1863873Some artists get really good results. Of course its not just adding a color layer and leaving it at that, it will never look very good that way, its takes more editing and overpaint to get to something acceptable but its a useful starting point. And very useful in concept art because it allows faster iterations when designing stuff.
>>1863910I really hate korean fantasy art. Its all souless samefaces. I am more into John Howe and Alan lee kind of stuff, even anime has some really good stuff sometimes but god, south koreans are so soul draining.
No. 1863963
>>1863945I agree. In general 90s anime is the bomb and i love slayers and loddoss war. Slayers and rurouni kenshin were my favorite anime as a kid.
art for jrpgs from the 90s used to look great too, its really in the 00s with mmorpgs that stuff got really boring and samey looking but looking at pictures for games like Brandish and Grandia are very nostalgic to me, i listen to old jrpg osts all the time.
No. 1864108
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I saw this pic by artist Jennifer Kennedy Tidd, apparently she stitches one memory for each day of the year! I really like this, would this be considered embroidery and how does someone learn how to do this? I want to make one too!
No. 1864408
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AI art for clout… Like how do people get away with this? Other than the fucked up anatomy, surely no one is fooled if they spend two seconds looking at this person's other pieces?
No surprise people lie on the internet but why do artists who obviously can draw pull this crap?
Aren't most artists against AI?
No. 1864454
>>1864451i mean seriously
>guys are all interestingly drawn according to their character >women all the same with the sole variance being their hair color >SAME exact body type amongst the women, probably what was considered hot to nerds at the time (being hot isn’t the issue, but rather that there are only hot women in this image with so many different types of men) second pic is kind of cool but it also just looks like really generic fantasy slop
No. 1864475
>>1863827She really has no business teaching art classes. All she ever does are grayscale studies of women's faces, and that's all her 'students end up drawing. They end up spending their time and money drawing gray slop and yet here she is claiming sycra bullied her? I dunno how much of that is true. It doesn't much matter now, they're both such old channels. People only ever talk about sycra in the past tense.
>>1863968SAO and then Genshin solidified the generic fantasy style. Now the smooth brained tortured styles and cluttered same baby face characters have their death grip on people, especially for coom.
No. 1864523
>>1864108That's so cute! I can't make out much detail on my screen but I can see she uses a lot of padding, and while that's not difficult to do, it can be a bit tricky until you have more skill with embroidery. There are a lot of bullion stitches (the ones that look like coils) and some detached buttonhole stitches (shopping bag in lower left) which are a bit harder to do until you're more familiar with embroidery. The leaves on the lower right hand corner tree look like French knots, and the the leaves of the hanging plant in the middle-left and a couple of others look like woven stitches, and the grass on the bottom left looks like rug stitch. These stitches are pretty straightforward and can give you impressive results, if you want to add texture to your work. She also uses a lot of satin stitch (what you probably automatically think of when you think of embroidery, lots of close-together stitches that look stripy from up close) and that's probably the stitch you'll start with when you learn embroidery.
There are tons of sites where you can learn to embroider, I recommend using Youtube alongside written tutorials because it's so much easier to learn embroidery by watching someone do it. Keep trying, don't use thread longer than your forearm, try not to double the thread while you're learning, pick up a cheap multipack of embroidery thread instead of using sewing thread, DO NOT USE METALLIC THREAD unless you really hate yourself, and don't worry if you mess up! You can use a hoop like she does, or embroider without one, but it's much easier with a hoop. Have fun nonna!
No. 1864696
>>1864406the virgin
>@kawaiisparklyartuwuvs the chad
>@asjdjasdjsja1257474 No. 1864800
>>1864510I don't have a problem with the diversity of the newer stuff. What I find bad is the very obvious trashy anime inspired clothes, the shitty gender special hairstyles, and the "queer" characters that are some variation of androgynous themie, some male character that looks like a woman both in phenotype and dress, and some cross dressing drag style male character.
Other anons are right, it's like they make ocs of cosplayers and not actual fantasy characters.
No. 1864823
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>>1862923seems this artist probably likes lain's art style
No. 1865083
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>>1864408This beats Emilie Autumn's "speedpaints" fucking kek
No. 1865090
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>>1865083>suggests putting "skin layer" through facetune as if that wouldn't turn it into a crusty jpg>you should only stick to one layer for some reason, no mention of underpainting or anything>uses photoshop only for adding overlays as if you can't do that with most drawing apps??>ibis paint and clip studio are so similar that they're included in one catergoryShe literally couldn't come off as more clueless about how that type of digital art works jesus christ
No. 1865095
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>>1865090The fucked up, unfinished eyelid in contrast to that obviously "finished piece" in the layer thumbnail
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>>1862923>the way they draw faces is sooo heinous to me and all social medias keep throwing it in my face. i can't stand looking at it to the point i had to block them from everywhere>2 days agoMaybe you should work on your own art instead of crabbing up other artists ask boxes.
No. 1865232
>>1865229It might not be a troll with their claim that they “finished a ton of pieces” for their return. Sounds like things are just starting!
>>1865231Anons can still call out anons for acting like sore losers.
No. 1865341
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Found this on Pinterest. What are your thoughts on stylizing bodies?
No. 1865371
>>18650831. trace outline
2. bullshit the ear
3. Paint the rest of the fucking moid
No. 1865440
>>1865095Kek tracing is alive and well. I look forward to more screen caps as proof that she uses AI to trace. Reminds me of tracing wars from the DA days.
>>1865282Could be why Proko and a few other artists are establishing their own online schoollso they don’t have to rely on YT. Hopefully he can get his channel back.
>>1865423What about comics? I think there’s more leeway and artist want to extend that to game and movie/tv characters which are realistically designed. I see a lot more anime/cartoon style for most everything and this example doesn’t make a strong case because they’re both stylized. It’s more of the same.
No. 1865610
>>1865472I'm the same way. I also see really pretty scenes in my dreams and want to recreate them but they always look like shit.
I wish there was a way to not only to capture the visual/auditory but like every sense in a moment. I love fog but no amount of fog artwork will represent what its like to be there in the moment. In the middle of the night with blinding fog, diffusing streetlights into an eerie orange glow, feeling the moisture, especially if it's hot. It's not the same dammit! I wish I could draw better but I also wish I could draw a feeling, if that makes sense.
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No. 1865671
>>1865341atp i feel people can do what they want so long as they aren't using muh style as a cope to stagnate. if it looks good then cool, if it doesn't i'll just ignore the artist
>>1865472i can vividly think of all kinds of things but the moment i sit down to draw my head blanks out. no idea why
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>>1865646she's probably insecure about her love of feminine men and trying to be quirky about it. i think her style's nice though.
>>1865657fujos are attacked on socmed all the time, so i believe it
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>>1865681Is that the pedobait from genshit? Ew.
I agree her technical style is beautiful. I hate her gross “draw a girl and pretend it’s a boy” thing, though. Even Amano’s androgynous men were intended to be male.
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there are so many good art tutorials on bilibili i never knew about my art has improved more seeing those meticulous tutorials with graphs and shit and numbers, than the slop western artubers make i know watching them is letting china spy on me but i dont care i want to get better at art also they have some pirated courses on there too
No. 1866133
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>>1866121dDo you speak chinese? Chinese artists are so incredibly good. /ic/ scrotes want Japanese jeans, I want Chinese ones. They always nail the ''realistic'' look without it looking plastic or boring. My biggest guilty pleasure is this Chinese artist, I just wish she wasnt such a pedo.
No. 1866142
>>1866125usually google translated shit but type in the basic online schools
coloso or class101 and discover through the recommended bar, im genuinely amazed how much better these tutorials are than the western ones ,theres also a telegram group too in which im in so that helps alot
No. 1866234
>>1865646I'm the anon who wondered if she was some kind of spiritual proana weirdo so I'm kinda relieved to learn that she's just a regular degenerate kek.
>>1865716Her "serious" art is what gets her compared to Amano, even moreso since The Greatest Living Show music video. It's not because of her anatomy choices but mostly because of everything else
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>>1866234As someone who used to ape Amano and grew out of it (he's one of my favorite artists to this day and some influence will never go away, but) it bugs me how in her own ass she is about it. It's not that you happen to have a style like Amano, it's that you modeled yourself and your artistic details against Amano's and were successful. That survey she posted "Hey your art reminds me of A–" is so gloating as if it wasn't a conscious choice to absorb his style and then roll with it. Of course people will compare the two, your influence is obvious.
Even the animation posted is very akin to Amano's 1001 Nights (which is on YouTube and easily available.
No. 1866292
>>1866121Tangential, but the quality of Chinese beauty tutorials knocks Western advice out of the water so I’m not surprised that extends to their art instruction as well. They have a meticulousness and attention to detail; they’ve distilled the art of making things aesthetically pleasing down to a science. Overall, East Asian cultures tend to place a higher value on aesthetics compared to Western cultures. You see this manifest in the way they put an emphasis on outwards appearance, not just for people but also for food, places, objects, etc
>>1866133Kek, I could immediately tell the artist of that pic was Chinese by the way they paint. Generally speaking, you can clock Asian artists by their nationality based on their art style
Chinese: Whether anime or realism, uses a painterly style that incorporates a wide range of colors (akin to impressionist painters) even if the color range is not true to real life
Korean: Can immediately clock by the facial features and proportions. The ones who draw anime-ish styles prefer more “realistic” stylized features. But all of them have that Korean plastic surgery looking face with the tiny v-shape face, overblown lips and chiseled nose.
SEAsian artists are a mixed bag of influences from East and West. Malays, Filipinos and Indonesians cop from animu and more recently Korean webtoon styles but there’s there’s also ones who draw in more Western styles (especially if they also imported gender special views)
No. 1866304
>>1866292Ayrt I wouldn't say that the "western" side didn't focus on aesthetics (I mean the period of romanticism proves how autistic they were about it) but the modern era ones are. the one thing I've noticed after art became "inclusive" western art quality decreased rapidly. even on tumblr there was a aesthetic (the pixel art soft colors and the chroma effect) but it slowly got corroded by gendies. I will not pretend that I don't still use some western art courses (mostly the old ones and pros) in Eastern art even a beginner is held to a standard and expected to improve when in the west they are way lenient
its my style1!! Argument I generally don't like piting one side against another since it doesn't make sense.but I do hate how they teach art in the west
No. 1866373
>>1866338>>1866348>mini art dark ageThat’s exactly what it is. Chinese and Russian art curriculum emphasizes rigor and foundation, so their artists are at least equipped to make interesting but technically skilled artwork.
In fact I would go as far to say that it’s not just the “muh style and inclusivity!!11l” plague that’s holding back the US (and by extension the West). Other countries are experiencing stagnation for different reasons. I don’t know about the quality of art education in Japan and Korea, and I can mainly speak to Japan since I’ve been a weeb the longest. But it feels like all the anime art coming out of Japan is so homogenous - all of it has the same rendering styles, the same bright, oversaturated colors and the same overcluttered designs. The bright color overdose isn’t just an illustration thing, it’s most obvious in animated media. It’s like dark colors are banned in anime. Hunter x Hunter 1999 vs 2011 is a textbook example of this phenomenon.
The hanko-e design philosophy in manga art always meant sameface was unavoidable to some extent but at least you could find a range of styles even within the same genre. But the Japanese design philosophy has always valued ease of mass reproduction, so the homogeneity we’re seeing now is the logical conclusion.
No. 1866393
>>1866373very nice observation! ive noticed the
anime blob style too but i thought maybe i was overgeneralizing it but it does seem anime is in great lack of..style? like even in retro anime and manga there was a style to a artist, like take the jk anime people are praising its style when theres really nothing new there? it just looks like usual shounen shit this problem is more egregious in the korean sphere (just look at the copypaste bl and isekai villainess style THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THE SAME ARTIST MADE THEM) its so consumer slop? i dont really know how to word it but ive stopped seeing unique styles too
No. 1866430
>>1866260nta, but you bringing up the artist's weird fujo tendencies doesn't suddenly make her art shit,
nonnie. people like you have nothing valuable to contribute when it comes to actually critiquing the art in question, so you attack the artist's character instead. good job.
(bait) No. 1866433
>>1866393Your observation about the blob-ification of anime is spot on. People praising JJK is hardly notable since it’s probably just clueless normies; JJK is babby’s first anime for this generation. I suspect the reason older anime art styles were more diverse was because artists of that time were more willing to cop inspiration from outside of anime. But around the beginning of the 2010s you start to see homogeneity settle in, which is also when it started to get obvious that artists were only drawing reference from other anime, leading to an insular environment. SAO is the Steven Universe of anime, the propagator of some of the worst visual trends in anime today - the blobby faces, the flat shading and coloring, the oversaturated color palettes
I don’t know as much about the Korean scene since I feel like manhwa (and distinctly Korean art styles) only started to enter the mainstream in the mid-2010s. Nonetheless, its a similar deal to the anime industry - prioritizing mass reproducibility and fast turnover - but with Korean beauty standards. That’s why most manhwa is like the fast food of comics from Asia. But I feel like we need to give the Korean industry more time to evolve and mature. BL manhwa is currently in its awkward YAOI HANDS 90s/early 2000s BL manga stage.
>>1866417I miss 90s anime art and handmade cel animation. The bold lines, the rich and vibrant colors, the heavy shadows.
No. 1866616
>>1866555If you want to be pedantic you can call them
both illustrations. OP (the artist) meant to compare illustrations against figurative realism and drew a poor example.
No. 1866654
>>1865341Nobody is putting a gun to your head saying you must draw semi realistic bodies over exaggerated ones. It's just that people that complain about exaggerated proportions do it bc most people that draw that way have poor understanding of anatomy in the first place and use style as a shield against criticism. Especially westerners.
If anything I think this artist made this picture to show that she does know how to draw better than the drawing on the right. She's pretty much just trying to prove a point to herself.
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i will NEVER be armtwisted by the ""shape language"" police into drawing fatties. i'm making this my sacred oath.
No. 1866887
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>>1866260yeah, but shes insanely good and i wish i could paint and draw like her. I normally dont like modern realistic digital art because it always look so stale, but she found the perfect semi realism look. Its really impressive she can ape the likeness of the actors so easily.
No. 1866895
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>>1866304>>1866304>>1866306what are you talking about? japanese artists always recommend morpho, loomis and hampton.
No. 1867023
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>>1866903Morpho is incredibly underrated. Its so fucking good. If i could start again i would do proko for absolute basics, then perspective made easy, then Morpho with anatomy for sculptors. All of my favourite artists, specially rkgk artists with really good anatomy, use morpho.
No. 1867110
>>1866895>>1866903Basics are basics whereever you go, so the obligatory Morpho, Andrew Loomis, Scott Robertson, etc are useful no matter what. What those anons are alluding to is a difference in attitudes towards art fundamentals in the US/the West versus non-Western countries. It's not like they're saying that East Asian artists have magical secret resources that make them git gud.
>>1867023How do you use Morpho to learn? Are you supposed to copy the forms to familiarize yourself with the forms and learn how to construct them?
No. 1867111
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lmao
No. 1867116
>>1867110>How do you use Morpho to learn? Are you supposed to copy the forms to familiarize yourself with the forms and learn how to construct them?Both. You have to both copy the drawings to familiarize yourself with the shapes then use it alongside anatomy for sculptors when doing studies.
>>1867111these are so ugly and uninspired, vivzietier
No. 1867279
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>>1867111The designs aren't the best and also bland as hell, but they're kind of cute in a Proffesor Layton way. The design on the pink one is revolting however
No. 1867343
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>>1867111>>1867279Basically picrel. They're cowards to draw women in other body types other than slim conventionally attractive or child.
No. 1867354
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>>1867343literally just OKKO and its dogshit waifubait designs. That shit was genuinely painful to watch because you could tell the artists were trying really hard to make waifubait, specially since the creator is a /co/ user, but the artstyle was so shitty only the big titty milf caught on.
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>>1867431thank god they scrapped this shit
No. 1867462
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i feel like avagado is going to troon out very soon, hes been posting more and more sissy fetish art (very predictable since most of his art is based on societal roles and mental illness)
No. 1867661
>>1867354I can’t get over how badly they did the female lead. The generic smug circle eyes, the stick arms that look detachable from her body, the pole-shaped torso with elephantiasis legs, the ugly color scheme, the fucking clothes. Her official art specifically looks so half-assed even in comparison to the other characters. She looks like an extra in a rick and morty rip-off that cost $5 to make. I caught one episode of this where she was the focus and it made me cringe hard from the shit writing and forced anime references
>only the big titty milf caught onA bit surprised because I’m always seeing /co/ moids thirsting over shitty designs in other media as long as they’re waifu-able.
Makes sense it’s her though, it’s hard to fuck up a sexy vampire lady with sleek black hair.
I find the green rat girl’s design cute tbh, relieved I haven’t seen her catch on as a “waifu” especially considering there was some shit in the show about her sniffing the purple dude(her father figure)’s clothes.
No. 1867671
dumb question but how many hours a day should i practice fundamentals? I know there isn't a concrete answer but I'm scared that if I only practice for less than an hour then the techniques won't stick with me, but if I practice for too long (like several hours) then i just end up doing grinding for the sake of grinding and I end up not learning.
>>1866133>Chinese artists are so incredibly good. /ic/ scrotes want Japanese jeans, I want Chinese ones. They always nail the ''realistic'' look without it looking plastic or boringhard agree. I had given up on art but after i discovered online chinese artists Ive become motivated to practice drawing again. Hopefully someday I will be able to draw like that
>>1866292>Chinese: Whether anime or realism, uses a painterly style that incorporates a wide range of colors (akin to impressionist painters)interesting observation.
Impressionism is one of my favourite art movements so I wonder if thats why I like chinese artists No. 1867794
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>>1866895https://www.brendanmeachen.com/soloartistThis guide helped me a bit, there's a newer version that's even better and if you know how to find pirated courses you'll know how to find it.
You don't have to follow all of DAB if you don't want to obviously but the fact he compiled a bunch of books and courses and explicitly mentions what topics to practice is good enough for me
No. 1867803
>>1866903This guy is going to make me cry, he's like me if I tried harder
>Studied CS>Ended up in grad school>Still got good at artNot going to turn this into a blogpost but wish I could be like him.
No. 1867892
>>1867661Never seen the show but from your descriptions it’s difficult for me to figure out the female MC. Is she the magenta haired one or the one on the far left? The green girl reads as a rabbit rather than rat. A lesson in how not to design characters.
>>1867666>666 kek his stubble looks more like acne. Gross. >>1867794Thanks. I found that link before and lost it. Structure like this helps a lot if you aren’t able to get good feedback.
No. 1867911
>>1866133I didn’t get it when you posted this one but when you posted this
>>1866887 I understood, very painterly. Weird that they look so different.
No. 1867919
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>>1867794This feels like its too much, you can achieve all of that with just morpho and perspective made easy+ tons of practicing. Something that opened my mind is finding practice accounts from japanese artists. They way they study is mostly doing figure drawing and focusing on specific parts of the body, like doing a whole sheet of feet/hands.
No. 1867922
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Also, maybe i am just picky but both Proko and the DAD guy are terrible artists. If they did all that just to end up drawing like this i dont see the point in following an schedule that autistic.
No. 1867951
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>>1867922Proko to me has always been for beginners to go hand in hand with soething like Loomis, and honestly is probably one of the better ones to learn from when you'r starting out, as opposed to say, artist salt favourites like LT and Ethan Becker or even Marc Brunet.
Sure he can't draw a kangaroo, but he's not the worst.
No. 1867981
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>>1867892>Is she the magenta haired one or the one on the far leftThe magenta one. It especially annoys me because (ignoring the ugly styles) her previous design in the pilot flowed a bit better. I understand simplifying designs for animation but man they made her (and the entire show
>>1867407) look completely half assed.
>The green girl reads as a rabbit rather than ratShe has a rat tail that's not as visible due to the black background, but when you said this I looked her up up to make sure I didn't get the species wrong so kek I agree
No. 1868005
>>1867981i think it also works better for a ninja, the new one doesnt even have the short sleeves and the bandages are just up there instead of on her forearms, plus the top being the only blue piece makes it look like some random color choice.
They removed too much imo
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>>1867407Sorry to reply again but I just saw the comments kek. I dare anyone watching this video to go to the 2:44 mark mentioned here.
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Why do people consoom so much markers when they draw the simplest things? She doesn't even blend or have the markers arranged by colors, I bet she doesn't even differentiate between most of them because they all look so similar. I see this kind of stuff very often…
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>>1868135Same. No matter how "well-drawn" it is I find it utterly boring.
No. 1868191
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>>1868179>a lot of recent cartoons feel like they were designed and boarded (because let's be real here, the western studios don't actually do much animation in-house) by people who have little to no technical love for the art of animation- I don't know what does draw them to it or motivate them, but it's not making drawings come alive imoBecause they dont like drawing, they only choose to become ''animators'' to spread their troon agenda. They only enjoy the ''fandom'' aspect of animation, not actually drawing/animating. If you check the animation industry cow threads you see all of these mentally ill troons calling eachother out for being
problematic, and when you check their portfolios it looks like something straight out a teenager's DA page in the 00s.
I know we have some industry fags itt get really upset when someone calls them out, but you dont need talent anymore to become a professional animator in the USA. All of the talented artists are working for european or japanese companies. You can look at 80s storyboards and they look 10 times more polished than what the average calarts troon can do nowadays with ctrl z and digital art.
I feel bad for 80s animators, they genuinely had a love and passion for drawing and they were constrained to work on shitty toy commercials, meanwhile modern animators have all the freedom in the world to potray magic, faggots,
poc, a serialized show without toy shilling, etc but 0 passion for art and animation.
No. 1868213
>>1868191yeah, I know. It's just so depressing, I'd rather 80s toy commercial shows than the current lopsided vanity projects you see, as at least having to sell toys seemed to motivate production teams to try and make them engaging and fun for their audiences.
Also, for the anons discussing improving anatomy/figures, gotta recommend using something like morpho/anatomy for sculptors (or whatever other anatomical form guide you prefer using) to help you create an animated écorché or figure study, you will learn so much faster (even just making rotoscoped breakdowns will help) and they can be really fun. Start as simple as you like and work your way up to more detail (the site bodies in motion is good photo reference for this sort of study).
No. 1868231
>>1868222so? who says going through 20 hour courses is a run in the park? everyone takes it at their own pace,studying art is mind numbing,bragging about 8 hour sessions is not a flex you think it is kek
>>1868202 generally its best to leave at least 2 days to let the info sink in and implementing into your muscle memory since some habits may be hard to beat (i struggled alot with drawing line width) good luck nona! keep at it!
No. 1868522
>>1867794Whenever I see shit like this and the resulting sped arguments around it I genuinely wonder if you people even like drawing. Treating art as a chore to do just to get better as a reward seems unsatisfying as hell.
Like this whole regimen feels no different than those people who slather hundreds of dollars of skincare products on their face to have good skin when they don't need all that.
It's like you're punishing yourself with art. People who desperately feel they need to improve with their art like this will never be content with what they create.
I know I'm going to be seen as a twittertard but I see art as something to do that relaxes me. That's the reward, not killing myself with studies like I'm in medschool.
No. 1868561
>>1868525>>1868522Yeah, I see those kinds of regimens pushed heavily on ic and the users there oftentimes talk about wanting to give up because they hate "the grind" so I have to wonder if any of them even enjoy the hobby and process in the first place. But that plan is an okay guideline or starting point for people who have no idea how to approach fundamentals, even if it's obviously too dense to actually pull through on your own with the given time schedule. The mentioned books and ressources are fine
>>1867343I'll never understand how this still happens. It's obvious that no one wants to draw an ugly woman I guess, but why is everyone so comfortable with drawing ugly men? I would not want to see those fuckers in any media. Hope this dies out when the aesthetic-obsessed tiktok generation makes it into the industry
No. 1868593
>>1868522No this is good,
nonnie. Art to some is a hobby, not a job. Some aren’t looking to improve so stuff like this is freaking noise and nothing else. If I wanted to grind countless hours to get good, I’d invest in my schoolwork than the very thing keeping me sane. Once your hobby turns into homework is the day one quits art for good.
No. 1868628
>>1868504>Makes me wonder how many of you drama orbiters can actually draw in these threads.Very few.
>>1868522There's also the issue that, as a working professional in the creative industry, making connections and building a network is practically essential to have a job and earn a decent income. Working as a Twitter commissioner is rarely sustainable. I think some of you guys should seriously consider finding a career outside of art with a solid safety net.
No. 1868685
>>1868632I don't mind fundies personally. I want to improve since most of my ideas sorely need it, but in the end, it's my hobby. Most forget that some have lives outside here—crazy, I know. Some of us work, have kids, and pay off loans. 30 minutes is the best we got. Some days have filler but I can't be arsed to add an odd gesture of exercise or two to my routine. Too busy with studies as is….
>>1868561cowardice. It's mostly cowardice and a side of misogyny. Men can be ugly, balding blobs. but as soon as a woman gets gray hair, her life's over. The first time I saw this was when all the female news anchors were swapped out while the aging male host remained. You couldn't have older women on screen without facing backlash. It's weird too, because back in the day, an older woman's wisdom helped a tribe thrive or civilizations prosper. Eventually, everyone grew to hate the elderly, and by extension, older women, for being ineffective stock. Ditto for ugly, gnc, and other "undesirables".
As a result, female character design almost exclusively features buxom bimbos under 25 with the occasional flat chested pedobait. If you find something slightly outside of that selection, some of it is still painfully horny and sexualized. Muscle girls with boobs intact, "plus size" ladies who look more like supermodel was stretched wide, or the frumpy nerd who'd wind up hot anyway. There's no escaping this nightmare is there?
>>1868673couldn't have said it better. Still respect the grind and wish more new artists would stop being asses about it. Fundies won't hurt their families, but most feel as if they are being held hostage for it.
No. 1868707
>>1868216Ayrt it engaged more of my brain to learn all this technical stuff I didn't know much about before, especially the way I tried to cram it like a highschooler cos I didn't wanna spend 2 years drawing 1000 treasure chests as another nona was talking about lol. Meanwhile when I do commissions I'm running on the knowledge and muscle memory I already have, which burns me out just a little less. As
>>1868522 said though, following stuff like that to a T and treating it like a chore is gonna make it even worse. I was probably going about it the wrong way.
>>1868231>good luck nona! keep at it!Thank you, I hope I will
No. 1868727
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>>1868522It depends on your goal. If your goal is drawing
>>1868130 then you dont need to study. If you want to do something like pic rel, then you have to open a book or two in your life.
No. 1868729
>>1868589I would argue westoid artist aren't shit because they're lazy, but bc they're attention seeking narcs who want to use art to fulfill their self serving fantasies. Like that honey and absinthe woman who wanted to be a showrunner after just a few years of working in the industry.
They're chronically online retards who spent their teenage years creating self insert fanfiction and as adults they realized they could make a living doing the same exact thing.
They have no respect for art and honestly can't compare to self serving artists/hobbyists who create not with a desire to improve but just to create. If we bring up the example in the last thread with the anime vampire pic, the artist very obviously sucked at certain things but still created a visually pleasing work because she has love for what she does. Western industry artists do not and their shit always looks terrible bc of it.
No. 1868826
>>1868806 I posted
>>1868729, and I didn't mean that they aren't lazy, but that it is a laziness that has happened due to them being praised for doing the bare minimum. There is no reason for them to improve when they can shit out garbage art and get praised for it on social media.
Couple this with the fact that most industry jobs don't favor skill but connections, there is no point in applying yourself when that work will simply be overlooked. Most artists maintain a social media account which favors quantity over quality as well, especially Instagram, so there is so much that pushes them just to mindlessly create just to feed the algorithm rather than improve. It created this very disrespectful attitude towards art, turning it into a product to be consumed. As long as they make something popular that gets engagement and them praise, they don't care how it looks, and from that they don't care to improve. The Western sphere, especially the us, has essentially just become the fastfood of the art world.
No. 1868915
>>1868896I recently took a course from an industry artist and he said the market isn’t available anymore but also that we should all make friends in the class to have connections. Don’t know how that's going to help if the industry doesn’t want to let prospective artists in.
I would be curious to know your thoughts on Proko and other artist’s schools. Those seem better grounded; what you mentioned seem like all Youtube artists who cater to dramatics for views.
No. 1868985
>>1868896Same feeling, nona. This was especially bad during the pandemic. Every industry pro and their grandmother had a fucking 'workshop' you had to pay for, all for them to sit you down for 30 minutes to an hour to show you clips from a movie, and gloat about all their veteran friends in the field and MAYBE answer 3 questions.
Every single one of them wanted a piece of your stimulus check while they sat pretty on their credentials calling everyone else coming out of school or looking for work a sucker among their friends. I watched all this happen and became bitter too, but now with all the bullshit being exposed I feel like I dodged a bullet. Now
nobody in the industry is getting hired/or they're getting laid off kek. It sucks but i admit it's kind of amusing to see those same people bitching and moaning about how they're being robbed.
Feels so good to be independent and not reliant on 'the industry'to help them pump out 'content'.
I couldn't imagine why anyone coming out of school now would still wanna work in an unpredictable environment, but I suppose I can chalk that up to young naivete.
No. 1869025
>>1868896>Marc Brunet, Tyler Edlin, MewTripled, RossDraws Holy hell these asswipes coach so many naive artists into taking their overpriced courses, its so fucking infuriating. I've seen their courses they can't teach for shit
pirated of course kek i am not wasting 200 dollars on how to draw mangaish art, Marc Burnet concept art course is somewhat good but the rest is shit sure they can draw good but they can't teach how a line should be drawn. Popular artists shouldn't be allowed to make "schools" atleast not without having experience in the field and teaching experience too.
No. 1869050
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>>1869021just keep posting, eventually it will catch on if you are actually good
> I thought my art was decent but I guess I'm wrong if even a stupid doodle will get to 100 likes while my fully rendered drawings get 0.you mean like a meme doodle or rgkg?
No. 1869092
>>1869050Idk anon it's been years. I'm not saying my drawings are masterpieces but damn at least some attention would be nice. I don't think I'm THAT bad but idk.
>you mean like a meme doodle or rgkg?I mean literal meme doodles.
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I really don't see a significant a difference.
No. 1869187
>>1869157I get your frustration, but there's also nothing stopping your peers from learning their tools further on their own after gaining a baseline. I had to do that a bunch, especially when we suddenly started using Nuke to do compositing, and it teaches you to grasp new tools quickly and be flexible, as well as to have the discipline to practice and research the program
>>1869183so tired of 'tutorials' and 'tips' that are just hasty scribbles, one depicting the artist's preference as 'good', the other 'bad/pls avoid uwu'. It's so transparent and useless. If you absolutely must bitch about character design failing to be transferred over to humanisations, actually do something useful like breaking down the original and showing ways elements could work with human features.
No. 1869204
>>1869181The problem was that the classes taught useless shit. One time the teacher spent literally one hours just to explain how do use layers , and no, he didn't go into depth about layer modes or how to do masks or clipping masks. Literally spent one hour to teach the entire class that if you press this button a new layer shows up and that if you drag it up or down then the element goes in front of behind in the canvas. He didn't even brush over other layer-related features or tools to at least tell the students to "hey these are other features, you can try them out at home" he just spent one fucking hour going "this is a layer". The guy had four classes to give us, and instead of using those four classes to actually talk about important features or tools he just re-explained the most basic ass shit and ultimately just wasted everyone's time, and then for the final assignment he was mad that most of the class didn't "use the software to its fullest". Of course they didn't, the dude didn't even mention other features or tools.
I don't expect teachers to baby us, but if you're a teacher- even more a private school one where I'm paying a good amount of money to be there, I at the very least expect them to do their fucking job or at LEAST pretend to do their job.
No. 1869208
>>1869183It’s kind of annoying when they’re like
>yeah it’s not actually that bad there’s room for improvement I had an instructor discussing character design and they said sailor moon was awesome because the characters have hair that differentiates their designs/reflect their personalities but said Pokémon was bad in the same breath because (most of) the women have the same anatomical design
>>1869204One of my professors told the class that he learned photoshop on his own. A lot of students just think they can be spoon fed and then they spend half the class talking over the professor while they’re trying to show them how to do the most basic shit
No. 1869237
>>1869000Interesting. Thanks anon. I was looking late last night and did a cursory glance. I did notice their gallery stopped at 2022/2023 and assumed they were still giving classes elsewhere.
Re online schools: I know Proko, Smart School, and Ahmed Aldoori started one as well but I haven’t heard if any artists came out of those places. I hope they’re not all scams. I would love to see more ateliers in the US but that’s a pipe dream.
No. 1869315
>>1869287I would say it’s because 80’s/90’s anime came dubbed and a lot of the shounen/shoujo we were exposed to had blond(e), blue-eyed main characters. And the dubs tried to incorporate American cities though it obviously wasn't New York. Or you had Dirty Pair, Demon Hunter Yoko or Slayers and that was fantasy; no worries about race there.
Nowadays you have the next gen who can’t understand most Japanese women want to be pale and think all asians must be dark by default. It's going the opposite way now, funny enough.
I’m more surprised at K-Pop’s stringhold over anime/Japanese pop culiture. I prefer Jrock/pop , Jdramas/fashion and that never hit the mainstream like Kdramas and music and even manwha are today.
No. 1869335
>>1869315Nah, zoomers are too young to have been around during the time dubs insisted on shitty localizations. Also, how the hell do you look at someone named Usagi Tsukino or Naruto Uzumaki and their Japanese/Japanese-inspired settings and honestly think they’re white?
It’s exactly as
>>1869286 said, virtue signaling zoomers see white as the default. They’re used to seeing the world through the lens of muh representation so in their minds,
PoC must resemble the ugly ethnic caricatures that pass as representation in the West. When they see East Asian people drawing cartoons according to their own aesthetic ideals, their brains explode since they cannot fathom the idea that Asians don’t look like jaundiced gnomes with narrow slanted eyes nor do they want to resemble whatever Weaterners pass off as Asian “representation”
No. 1869418
>>1869335Naruto yes but Sailor Moon had complete different English names and powers too. There was a lot of debate back in the day and if you weren't online that would cause confusion because SM was heavily Americanized.
For Zoomies I don’t know what they think I’ve seen more fan art blackwash or racially stereotype as asian (the yellow skin and small eyes) than I have seen them drawn as white characters. Again because they don’t seem to realize Japanese like pale skin and that not just white people can be pale.
No. 1869425
>>1869183Both look like shit.
Plus, in the original design Tai Lung has an overbite, but in the "totally accurate humanization" it's reversed. What happened there artist chan?
No. 1869521
>>1869501I understand where the other poster is going but you are 100% right about this. I've seen retards fight about this before and they 100% think white features means white character. This is especially true when you get into character accuracy and blackwashing.
I've seen people vehemently defend usagi being white despite having a Japanese name and living in Tokyo bc she's blonde with blue eyes. And this isn't just mayo colored weebs but
poc as well. I've seen minorities argue that whites get "tons of representation" in anime because the characters are light skinned with light eyes/hair in a lot of anime and Manga. Westerners (especially US) see white as the default in anime, not Japanese.
No. 1869554
>>1869521Usagi’s portrayal could be because Naoko said Usagi isn’t a typical Japanese girl and acts very brash and emotional, with the assumption that she’s American. Not true but that could be why it has persisted.
>>1869501Yes I was there 3,000 years ago kek. I’m confused as to why Zoomers think like this, especially for more grounded manga/anime where it’s obviously set in Japan. FMA/Trigun I’d argue is more Euro/American based but I don’t think anyone talks about that anymore. Again I’ve been out of fandom circles so maybe it’s regressed.
No. 1869559
>>1869315>>1869418>Nowadays you have the next gen who can’t understand most Japanese women want to be pale and think all asians must be dark by default.>Again because they don’t seem to realize Japanese like pale skinI’m not really understanding you, is this an argument against darkening the characters’ skin? I feel like a lot of these people are already aware that Asians prefer pale skin and deliberately darken the characters to go against beauty standards, so pointing out Japanese prefer paleness wouldn’t really change anything except encourage these artists. Not the same but think about how some gyaru would tan their skin because that goes against Japanese beauty standards.
I don’t deny it’s dumb that there are people who think anime characters are white, when anime faces are highly stylized and closer to alien proportions than any racial group. But I think the obsession with paleness in general is ridiculous.
Even some Japanese people like director Shinichiro Watanabe are against the preference for paleness in anime. I remember reading peach girl, had terrible writing but it was inspired by the mangaka’s experience as a girl with tanned skin and how she got stigmatized and seen as a ‘slut’ for her skin. Also see how half-black Miss Japan got treated when she was little
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_MiyamotoAm Asian (not Japanese) but it’s too depressing seeing how darker women from my country are treated, told to bleach their skin when they’re little, and ignored in media. Even seen family members edit photos of their own newborn babies just to make the skin look unnaturally white.
So honestly I couldn’t care less about some zoomer kids on twitter drawing some anime characters brown, especially someone as iconic as Sailor Moon who already has a million accurate fanarts plus variations that change their characters into punks or gang members or some shit.
No. 1869675
>>1869559The character fanart is often ugly like other posters have pointed out because some western artists think most characters are white. I’m saying that modern fans might not understand they’re not white but asian which shows their bias. I agree it’s a bit silly because they’re alien anyways so it doesn’t translate to real life woth most designs.
Ganguro / gal is rebelling against Japanese standards agreed and I understand your struggles. Seeing Hana from Terrace House talk about bullying because of her natural skin and being half is what happens in a lot in asian countries.
I’m just tired of sailor moon reimaginings because they’re not creative.
No. 1869865
>>1869725>I think this character is white despite no indication of that>ugh another white boy???>>1869521Yeah they're so used to assuming white even when they don't have to? For
poc I understand always having to assume that and also disliking it, but for nonwhite made media I mean cmon. There are so many different hair colours in anime that blonde doesn't mean american. Unless they're specifically meant to be from the west, like Black Butler or that part of Jojo set in Italy, it's a safe bet to assume Japanese isn't it?
No. 1870120
>>1869911how much ram do you have
art programs use both vram (gpu memory) and ram
No. 1870141
File: 1706459175152.jpeg (555.25 KB, 828x613, IMG_7445.jpeg)
>>1869938Yes because I saw picrel and wanted to understand how she could feed herself and all that with just her feet. Didn’t make any sense to me even after I tried
No. 1870286
>>1870141iirc she usually has a friend she eats with and help her out throughout the story, she wasn't able to do everything on her own (smoking, getting dressed, etc)
although for those who can actually paint irl without their hands usually train for a long time so it's not unreasonable to think someone can do that
No. 1870437
File: 1706477547803.jpg (197.15 KB, 2048x1535, original oc donut steel.jpg)
>>1869183why would anyone take art advice from someone who draws like this?
No. 1870637
File: 1706496326964.jpg (92.49 KB, 827x946, toothless_dance_meme_by_tsaosh…)
Am I the only one who thinks Tsao Shin's art is souless? All of his gallery is full of shit like this since I remember, with one or two actually good fanart after 1 hour of scrolling.
No. 1870638
File: 1706496339773.jpg (113.62 KB, 877x609, performance.jpg)
>>1869911Like
>>1870120 says, check in preference>performance and see how much ram and vram Photoshop is using.
No. 1870640
File: 1706496491845.jpg (252.92 KB, 1280x802, 1365470635.tsaoshin_the_duel_b…)
>>1870637Wow you made me remember he used to draw like picrel. Cute art, not even once.
No. 1870688
>>1870680Some people do plateau for some reason, I’m not sure why. There’s this woman I’ve been following on tumblr for like ten years, and the stuff she draws now is identical(ly bad) to the stuff she drew back then. Sometimes she does old vs. new comparisons and it’s actually shocking to me how you can not develop at all over so many years.
That said, idk if this is you because I don’t know what you’re practicing with or how.
No. 1870741
>>1870704I'm in the same exact spot as you anon and also I share a very similar background to yours, and I'm equally as clueless. I have art that is considered good and that people are willing to pay money for, but I find it lacking for what I actually want to accomplish as a long term project. I hope me and you eventually find a solution.
>I'm practicing but everything I draw looks terrible and I can't even draw the stuff thats usually in my comfort zone without it looking like shit.This shit is legitimately crushing. I feel like I've completely forgotten how to draw lately. I've been trying to return to the basics and relearn how to draw a full body from scratch. I've been hounding shit from cgpeers, zlibrary, etc for a good while now, so I finally decided to crack open that folder full of books. I've gotten complacent, too complacent. I got comfortable in the crutches I used and the way I drew, because it was "good enough" to receive compliments and get commissioned for.
>I just wish I had someone over my shoulder to tell me exactly whats wrong and what I need to do but it's totally on me because I'm broke and cant afford an online art course.I would literally kill for this right now too. I would kill for any sense of discipline and routine and for a teacher/mentor to point out my retarded mistakes.
No. 1870764
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>>1870704you sound excessively harsh on yourself, you need to accept (by accept i mean radical acceptance of the truth, not simply giving up on improvement) where you are now to be able to improve. you could post some work in the art threads here? maybe you're better at perceiving and your skill will catch up soon like in pic rel.
No. 1870830
File: 1706515962580.jpg (221.09 KB, 2048x1535, fatty.jpg)
>>1870822Just the brushes they use tell you a lot. She's a fatfag into furries so it makes sense she's angry at women making men pretty instead of fat ones. I have noticed a lot of the artists who get angry at women drawing pretty boys are into ugly men themselves. Its very creepy they are trying to force their fetish onto people under the guise of ''good character design vs bad''
No. 1870848
I hate this video so much, this persons art is so insanely goddamn ugly and her teacher is looking over it and he's praising her so fondly. Why? I understand that sometimes art may look "ugly" to the untrained eye and elements of cartoon art that the average person can't appreciate or mistaken to be simple might actually be really impressive to people who understand cartoons. Like Gendy's work didn't appeal to me as an anime obsessed teenager but now as someone with a better understanding of art and animation I can see why he is considered a master…BUT this is almost totally garbage. I don't see a single redeeming quality in her work. Everything she draws is short and weirdly stout, it's all drawn like she's thinking completely in a 2D plane, even her life studies. Her art has been so deeply influenced by Tumblr and Steven universe it's like it's all locked in. Even when she draws real life people they still have these stubby proportions. Even if you look at Rebecca Sugar's art, one of her clear inspirations, rebecca's studies are based in 3d. She understands proportions and she clearly has a fine grip on her fundamentals. This person has none of that. Why is their sketchbook being shown off in this way? I can't believe she's in college for art. I feel genuinely bad for her, she's wasted her money. These people didn't teach her anything. Is this the future of art in the US? This is what young people are going to school to learn? This poor girl is on the same level as me and I've had no art education! SVA is supposed to be one of the really good schools why do so many of the students this guy interview happen to be girls. Its like every once and a while he throes in a boy for padding but thats messed up, I shouldnt imply anything like that, the guy probably just has mostly female students. I guess I'm a little paranoid about predatory male teachers. Anyway, yeah, this genuinely makes me sad. This just feels so bleak.
No. 1870876
>>1870869Humanizations are an autistic fandom thing. No one is humanizing characters to make good designs, most people humanize characters to fuck them, hence why most are bishies.
Also, a pet peeve of mine is when someone calls bishies ''boring''. Just because a character is attractive it doesnt mean they are boring. I find ugly male characters more boring since they are pretty much the norm.
No. 1870893
>>1870848Oh I watch this guy's videos occasionally to get ego boosts, and there's a far worse one filled with shitty pen doodles of FNaF characters while the dude just heaps the girl's art with compliments. This one looks decent in comparison, kek.
SVA is also the same school Vivzepop went to lol, I wouldn't expect much from it.
No. 1871009
File: 1706536072174.jpg (280.28 KB, 1112x1600, otonari_014.jpg)
>>1870932whats going on with all the underage retards defending ugly as fuck art lately? picrel is also a sketch and it looks polished
No. 1871039
>>1870848Doesn't seem too bad but
>>1870893is awful. I'm torn because it'd be pretty awful for the teacher to make videos just insulting his students work but all the compliments just sound so fake. Is this really what art school is now? I'm glad I didn't go.
No. 1871065
>>1870680>>1870704I'm sorry
nonny. The same thing happened to me around your age after dedicating my life for my art, I plateaued after a break and found myself disgusted with my art and abandoned it altogether because I didn't know how to study art properly. All art books were so overwhelming in their detail and clearly meant to be studied with guidance, not just picking one up and trying to make heads or tails of it by yourself. It took me a 5-year break to be inspired to do art again, and I started developing my skills in leaps and now I feel like my skills are constantly getting better. Sometimes you get so stuck in something you've done since you were a child that you can't adopt an adult mindset for it so a break learning a completely different media (crafts, 3D modelling, graphic design etc.) would probably do good for your self-esteem. That worked for me.
>I just wish I had someone over my shoulder to tell me exactly whats wrong and what I need to do but it's totally on me because I'm broke and cant afford an online art course.I know this feeling
nonny. When I had an older professional showing me the ropes as a teenager I was developing so fast but once they left I was alone and things became so difficult and confusing.
No. 1871084
>>1870848Art schools nowadays only care about accepting as many students as they can to generate profit. As long as someone can draw figures, even if they are ugly figures, he or she will be accepted. It also doesn't help that a lot of American art schools had mass cancellations of teachers back in 2020. Some of them were for justifiable reasons (i.e. sexual harassment,
abusive behavior) but there were many that were extremely petty. At my school, I had teachers cancelled over being white and making bad jokes and for supposed "transphobia" because they didn't understand trannies. It seems like teachers now have to tiptoe around their students to not offend them.
No. 1871104
File: 1706546972976.png (944.03 KB, 1224x816, totally the same.png)
>>1871089>Your sketches look just as rough, I wouldn't call them polished at allplease make an appointment with the ophthalmologist if you think that girl's chicken scratches are the same as art by professionals
No. 1871133
>>1871104NTA but I think you’re comparing apples to oranges here. The sketches that you’ve posted take on a realistic expression, while the other sketches
>>1871009 are very cartoony. I’m not a huge fan of that art style, but if you’re just looking at it from that cartoon angle, then the sketches are technically pretty decent.
No. 1871159
>>1871143This thread will go to great lengths to defend the ugliest tumblr shit kek sure anon if you think some tumblirina chicken scratches are on the same level as sketches done by a professional thats okay. Live in blissful ignorance.
>>1871149No. I wasnt. I was comparing the linework. Thats why i compared the begginer tumblrite animal sketches to the professional's animal sketches. I posted the first drawing as an example of polished linework, not of artstyle.
No. 1871171
>>1871159nta but i also thought it was about art style in the first post kek, mainly because i don't think it's possible to make the art style of that sketchbook look good, even the fully colored stuff in the video looks bad to me, like its another artist falling for the shape language thing were they just draw too many shapes that do nothig for their characters
>>1871104is that thing on the left corner a monkey?
No. 1871175
>>1871159I would suppose the inverse—you’re too busy getting high off the smell of your own gas that you are overestimating your ability to judiciously assess artistic technique. I already said the tumblr-esque sketches weren’t my thing, but you’re so intent on bashing the style that you assume anyone who is telling you that the technique isn’t shitty is head-over-heels for the art style.
>>1871009 evidently shows some degree of technical ability, whether or not you like the style.
No. 1871178
>>1871171>nta but i also thought it was about art style in the first post kekyeah because most of you dont bother to read
>>1871175You are stupidly retarded you are literally quoting my post where i used
>>1871009 as an example of good linework. You dont even know what i was talking about because you are a fucking retard that doesnt bother to read. Go back to tiktok cocomelon retard. I will take my ban, i fucking hate you, you retarded newfags.
(infighting) No. 1871195
>>1871178>You are stupidly retarded you are literally quoting my post where i used Are you not
>>1871104? It’s not my fault if you aren’t being clear on what you’re referring to, because the post that I quoted definitely is not saying that
>>1871009 is good line work. Or you’re trying to switch up your argument because I already informed you that both pieces were technically experienced.
>newfagThe only newfag here is you. Tard raging/alogging over a random on the internet? Kek, keep convincing yourself that everyone here is new just because they can see through your attitude. I’ve been here since before /ot/ even existed.
No. 1871206
>>1871202You are (presumably)
>>1871159, and
>>1871136, responding to
>>1871133, which is me responding to
>>1871104. What are you trying to do here? If all you’re going to do is argue, then maybe that is a sign that you need to turn off your device and take a breather. Your behavior (if you aren’t trolling) isn’t normal and frankly unhinged.
No. 1871222
>>1871206Go open a book, for the love of god. You are literally intigating an infight because of your lack of reading comprehension. I refuse to believe you read '' picrel is also a sketch and it looks polished'' while using
>>1871009 as an example and thought ''she said this is bad!!!11!!'' when i said the literal opposite.
No. 1871237
>>1871222I’m not instigating an infight, it your language that is incredibly abrasive. If you’re
>>1871009, then just know I was not speaking to you directly. You have to understand that this is an anonymous website, I don’t have the ability to track down every post you’ve made.
No. 1871247
>>1871240So what I quoted
>>1871206? Can you reference which posts you’ve made?
No. 1871353
File: 1706560152038.jpeg (89.13 KB, 850x1209, svgkI1N.jpeg)
If the weeb/cartoon spergs were threadbanned 90% of the infighting would go away. You're never gonna git gud if all you do is draw anime. Do any artfags here make assemblage or collage art? Picrel is one of my favorite artists.
No. 1871453
File: 1706566542850.jpg (72.04 KB, 540x537, Screenshot_20230812-084022_Ins…)
>>1871078>>1871065Yess do sculpting.
If anything sculpture allows you to be more abstract with your pieces than drawing does. There's tons of artists out there to get inspiration from, and you can use sculptures to your advantage in 2d art to help you better understand perspective.
No. 1871455
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Anyone remember Ava's Demon? I remember some people here said the writer went down the gendie rabbit hole which is a shame
No. 1871465
>>1870893"I wanna work at cartoon network and create my own cartoon"
Exactly as I said>>1868729
This is why western art is going down the crapper.
No. 1871503
>>1870848NGL I said "Hi, I'm Francis" when I heard that stock sound.
Talking about sketchbooks, some of those Calarts sketchbooks are quite inspiring.
No. 1871517
>>1870876NTA. Tired of guys being consistently unattractive while every other female character a sexpot on legs. There's already plenty of ugliness in real life; why bring it into fanbases when escapism is the whole point? I prefer muscular yet attractive men, but I don't go about dictating what should or shouldn't be drawn.
>>1871455Her art style screams Tumblr, but I had no idea she stoop that low. moreover, wasn't there other drama about her too? Like the time she got cancelled for not having enough gay in her comic? or the other times when shipping drama got out of hand? then someone accused of her of pedobait because of that one apple pic. Regardless, caving in must've been of her way of redemption, or a botched attempt at one.
No. 1872085
File: 1706633512807.jpg (294.45 KB, 1000x1414, tumblr_75c153ae6c16b85d0d5beb7…)
Anybody familiar with projectTiger, an artist who has been drawing one illustration every day for now almost 10 years? Link to her Tumblr:
https://www.tumblr.com/ir-drI first followed her when she had just started and to see how long it would last and sometimes still see her illustrations on my dash. I'm impressed she's still at it to this day with seemingly never having taken a day off, yet I can't help finding her art style still very amateurish and that it has been stagnating for years. For a 10 year daily progress, it's honestly not that interesting. Makes me reflect that it's not just about drawing daily, but also about studying and wanting to improve your skills. Or not, maybe she's happy with her current bland tumblry style. Though I could never imagine it.
No. 1872184
>>1871717>>1871874Why would her popularity remain the same? She took a very very long hiatus.
Her older style was cuter though, honestly think she could have been a webcomic visionary. I loved when she'd animate intense scenes or the end of a chapter.
No. 1872394
File: 1706654647216.jpg (56.18 KB, 960x720, triangle dilemma.jpg)
>>1872085If she is making these everyday I can't blame her for not improving. Same thing happens to artist who decide to abandon their original style and enslave themselves to the algorithm. It's the classic triangle dilemma.
No. 1872462
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ANONS what type of paypal account should i make if im going to take commissions and such? business or personal?
No. 1872499
>>1872491yeah, i did it in 5min with my touchpad on paint, thanks
nonnie i bet your art is really cute!
>>1872490ok thx anon
No. 1872606
File: 1706673157806.jpg (109.7 KB, 540x764, tumblr_6f690fe9b70ff18e478fa79…)
>>1872085Taking a quick look at her stuff I'd have to diagree. She might have found her comfort zone, but these look really good. It's not technically perfect but its very cute and she clearly has a good grasp on color, backgrounds and perspective, composition, and stylization. And of course being able to put this out in a day requires a very high level of skill and knowlege too. I think it's important to remember becoming the "very best" isn't the only endgoal for art, its totally fine to find a spot where you're able to pump out art that looks "good enough" as long as it enables you to make the work you want. If her goal is to make cute vocaloid drawings every day, she's doing a fantastic job at it and I'm happy for her.
No. 1872629
>>1872462Business. Always make sure in use the Invoice option and do NOT let the customer send you the money just like that. Sometimes some customers send it as "gifts" for the fee, but if you get caught doing commissions, Paypal will freeze your account.
Send the invoice to the commissioner first, then work when it is paid.
No. 1872679
File: 1706684191929.png (172.37 KB, 890x692, 1687167509035.png)
1. how is picrel plagiarism?
2. what materials do you use to render like this?
No. 1872683
>>1872679Photographs and use of a model's likeness can be copyrighted so it's probably best to credit them where applicable.
As for material it looks like traditional ink and watercolour.
No. 1872696
>>1872462Do not use business of you're a eurofag unless you have an actual business. PayPal will find out as soon as you can't give them your company code and will fuck you up. Sadly we have to deal with giving costumers our real name.
It seems it's generally fine if you're a burgerfag though.
No. 1872717
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>>1871452I found this one on an archived /ic/ thread, no luck on torrent search sites. Download the files with 100% availability first, there where around 20 when I checked. Hopefully someone will come online who has the rest of the files, through at this point I'm starting to lose hope.
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No. 1872796
File: 1706700210726.png (1.34 MB, 1286x1968, virgin.png)
>>1871517>Like the time she got cancelled for not having enough gay in her comicWasn't even that, she got harassed for having no asexual characters and being "acephobic" because one lesbian kid called her older brother a virgin nerd lord. I remember some people actually being MAD that the obvious gay character, Gil, wasn't going to be aroace.
No. 1872969
>>1872690She’s been doing it for years, I imagine it’s probably a habit it for her, like opening social media daily for most people.
Honestly what I want to do.
No. 1873122
File: 1706727257821.png (1.4 MB, 1692x1416, thisguystinks.png)
>>1872085if you want someone amateurish and stagnant, you should look at the Questionable Content guy lol (2011 on left, 2024 on right). +$10K in Patreon monies right here folks
No. 1873166
>>1873146i almost followed her once because i really liked her mecha art but then i got a bit weirded out by how she draws female characters almost always looking like young teenagers with a samey-looking smooth baby face and even came to the point of having a female oc who's "secretly 50 but ages slowly so she looks young", while her art of adult male characters looks a lot more varied and age accurate. gave me "doesn't know how/doesn't want to draw older women and thinks only young girls are beautiful" vibes at best and lowkey creepy vibes at worst.
i don't think she's milky though. at least i've never seen milk of her.
No. 1873234
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>>1873146Her art looks so weirdly soulless. It's so clean and devoid of emotion, maybe it's also because she seems to rarely draw backgrounds and keeps everyone in blank voids. The stoic old man/cute girl shit doesn't help either
No. 1873323
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>>1873318From what I remember, it used to be even worse than that. "Insanely good" in reference to how shit her art used to be. It's generic now, but I'd prefer that over her old stuff. Sadly, I can't post it because it's all gone, but I think a couple of threads back she was mentioned. Also, she did delete all her old work, even her webtoon. It's all been paywalled behind her Patreon.
No. 1873324
>>1865058Late reply but yeah. Sometimes I do feel bad for artists who put a ton effort into their pieces only to get overlooked, but sheer technical skill doesn’t stand out when everybody who’s that skilled is drawing the same thing. It all blends together for me and feels like I’m looking at the same piece over and over. Probably why I tend to prefer art with a more graphic style, because the focus shifts away from how detailed the painting is more towards color, shape, composition, stylization, and subject matter.
>>1865472This is why I like to draw without a plan sometimes, or with a very loose idea of what I’m aiming for. If you’re trying to recreate an abstract idea/feeling perfectly you’ll always be disappointed, but if you don’t start with super specific expectations then you’ll get to discover the drawing as you’re making it. I also apply this to writing. I do need an outline to not feel completely lost, but I leave it vague enough that I can come up with new lines or scenes as I’m drafting/editing, so then it becomes a slightly different story than the one I envisioned, which keeps it exciting for me
>>1867666Tbh sometimes I’m attracted to the occasional tumblr sexyman character and I cringe so hard at myself kek. I think it’s something about how the expressions are simultaneously intense and easy to read, which breaks through autistic face blindness to help people connect to the characters easier.
>>1867919>The way they study is mostly doing figure drawing and focusing on specific parts of the body, like doing a whole sheet of feet/handsInteresting, bc when I started getting more serious about drawing this is how I naturally gravitated toward learning. Nowadays I feel overwhelmed thinking I need to learn everything at once and barely even draw anymore. I should just go back to my old method…
>>1868130Probably a combo of the other answers and an addiction to collecting art supplies, which can be entirely separate from actually creating art
No. 1873332
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>>1873166NTA but it’s funny you mention that because I could’ve sworn she got mentioned in a past thread and it was this
>>916442 There’s a couple replies calling anon stupid and one agreeing, but I wonder what the response would’ve been if that “female/male characters I like to draw” image was posted ITT today.
Also maybe I’m reaching but I find picrel a tad
sus lol. It’s subtle enough for nobody to accuse her of anything, but the choice to draw the crotch line outside the leotard + that ‘buttcheek hanging low enough you can see it from the front’ detail is typical coomer shit and this just looks like a kid to me. Granted there’s moids drawing way worse blatant shit so I’m not calling for her head, but the subtleness creeps me out too.
No. 1873333
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>>1873323Twitter only shows stuff until 2022, but her full pieces and older work looks much more appealing. Maybe working on that webtoon made her simplify her drawing for too long and now she can't break out of that. Also a bit uncanny how every face/expression looks basically the same
No. 1873334
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>>1873234I thought her webcomic and OCs looked cute because it felt very found family/adoption type of story which I do like but then she started to draw the girl aged up and make pics of them together with slight shippy vibes and it turned me away immediately kek.
Pic rel, it's that one Veil panel meme that was initially for character ships and couples. Sure, maybe she meant it in a platonic/"she's the light of his life because she's his daughter" but I got weirded out on spot.
No. 1873338
>>1873332
>the choice to draw the crotch line outside the leotard + that ‘buttcheek hanging low enough you can see it from the front’ detail is typical coomer shit and this just looks like a kid to me.this, fucking this. yeah she's not super coomer level so i won't get the torches or anything but to me it always felt
sus as hell how she'd draw that character looking like a pre-teen and put her in those high line leotards and also always make sure to make her breasts apparent when possible like in
>>1873333. in the end it's her ocs and she does whatever she wants with them but it doesn't change the fact that it has subtle coomer vibes.
No. 1873343
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>>1873332I diagnose her with normie/vanilla straight woman that's into size difference but also a weeb that's heavily influenced by coomer art which she doesn't question or think about because it's literally everywhere and therefore the style choices seem normal to her. It's like passive coombrain, she might not be cooming but she's replicating art people would coom to
>>1873334I would've never guessed they were supposed to be in that kind of familial relationship
No. 1873402
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>>1873343The way her chest is pushed all the way out like that looks so unnatural.
Yeah the way she drew picrel, I'm just thinking, she really didn't need to draw the gargantuan man and her at crotch height, like he doesn't really need to be there at all, honestly. Size difference is a slippery slope because it's all about the proportions of the characters and she makes it weird.
Also, she's got he/they pronouns on her bio, so…I'm not really surprised.
No. 1873420
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>>1873408Nah girl this is some borderline loli shit, fucking disgusting.
No. 1873681
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>>1873146>>1873234>>1873332>>1873402are you sure "she's" a woman, it says he/they on their account
No. 1873694
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>>1873681Anon, a he/they on twitter who's obsessed with anime men is 99% guaranteed to be a TIF
No. 1873874
>>1873681I know how you feel, I also thought that artist was a moid when I saw the DDLG near loli shit and the other coomer designs on her page. But like
>>1873704 said she's a woman who just went enby. That OC of hers is 100% her self insert because she's based off her real appearance (or at least her heavily idealized appearance)
No. 1873939
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Do you study nonny, or do you ''just draw''? I mostly just study because most of the time i dont feel inspired to just draw, and i wonder if there are nonnies who just draw but that find it hard to study.
No. 1873942
>>1873908For seeking quick feedback, it helps. But when tracing as exercise or practice, a bit of Brain power is needed to comprehend the figure, subject, or shape of an object. On top of that, training your arm to maneuver it's way to a clean, smooth line. Reference alone works, but I'd argue if you're not breaking it down, you don't learn as much as someone who can look at it trace the figure in their head. I do agree that beginners and non artists toss out the tracer allegations like candy, especially the kinds where they've never experienced tracing as a learning tool. Even the old masters embraced it, something which alot of burgeoning artist (younger zoomers) don't get.
We live in era where using the same art style could risk cancellation, blacklisting, and ire from the "art community". Who am I kidding, community's generous–they're a Mafia. A Mafia bent on suppressing wrongthink through any means nessasary.
No. 1873957
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>>1873946NTA but not even korean artists are safe now…
No. 1873967
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no thanks
No. 1873970
File: 1706797950395.png (3.77 MB, 3500x1645, jeff the killer is fat and i w…)
>>1873967holy fucking autism i was expecting generic animu boy with a beer gut, not deathfat jeff the killer kek. Its always the shittiest artists that feel the need to lecture everyone else.
No. 1873973
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>>1873967I wanted to post in the tinfoil thread but it works here as well, there is a mass psyop for us to accept and be attracted ugly fat men and I refuse to fall for it.
No. 1873975
File: 1706798425102.jpg (41.8 KB, 951x589, fuck no.jpg)
>>1873967i will not be gaslight into drawing piggies i will keep drawing my men fit and buff ,my pen my choice
No. 1873983
>>1873970KEK amazing. he's like a thumb with teeth
>>1873973the gru fuckers must be so happy
No. 1873984
>>1873975At this rate this should become a banner lmao
Stay strong nonnas!! We will not succumb to the ugly fat moidfuckers!
No. 1873990
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>>1873967This shit is so obnoxious. Why can't they enjoy their fat guys without acting so superior about it while trying to rope others into their types and fetishes? It reeks of 15 years old but they're like all above 20. Just stupid.
No. 1873997
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>>1873990They are like this but unironic kek. I remember when we used to mock this comic as a neckbeard fatguy cope, but now autistic 30yo womanchildren believe it unironically. I have noticed a lot of modern artists are really narcissistics, they will really hunt you down until you turn your twinks into fat tifs waving the palestine flag.
No. 1874079
>>1873939 i study to draw something specific. if i have an idea in my head and want to excecute it i’ll look up resources to learn how to draw it properly. i think this is the best method because it isn’t completely draining for me
>>1873970he suffocates people to sleep in his rolls kek
No. 1874168
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>>1874156>>1874146I feel like your problem is that you see anime faces as 2D planes rather than simplified 3D faces with volume
No. 1874462
>>1874364I meant more in tiktok
>>1874433They’re also pretty into the fandom as well, they convinced me to continue watching an anime that I ended up making fanart for
Idk the fact it’s a ship just makes me want to disappear. I know they’re going to tease me about it, actually if they don’t that’ll be more embarrassing
No. 1874525
File: 1706837068858.jpg (3.69 MB, 2000x3509, junosongs.jpg)
I hate this moid's obvious musclegirl/feet/lesbian fetish, his basic art, his terrible designs, his constant virtue-signaling, and his lame videogame music fan lyric videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xP7BQ4vKps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6J49bryPd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qNqucUelgIt's all so bad and painfully mediocre at best, but fandoms slurp up anything I guess
No. 1874854
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>>1874846I loooove y2k to early 2010s manwha style, it really is so beautiful. I also preferred reading them as a kid when I wanted something corny because I thought they were sweeter. Looking back the style is kind of funny but I loved it.
No. 1874858
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>>1874854Twitter would call them real eaters or something because sincerity isn't in trend, I say they are lovers across past lives okay. I remember getting toward the end of this translation that was uploaded and crying because I thought they wouldn't end up together and it took ages for the final chapter to be posted
No. 1874927
>>1874867I think terminally online artists exist no matter what age- I remember being a tumblr teenager and interacting with 25-30 year olds who got into the same stupid spats online, vagueposting, ship war block
problematic artist callout nonsense I’d see my 15 year old mutuals participate in. I also remember being 15 and bullying a then 22 year old for kinning a 10 year old kek. That was nearly a decade ago, so even if they’ve (hopefully) changed now they’re all solidly in their millenial years. It’s definitely not a zoomer only thing, it’s just something associated with terminally online young/young-ish people in fandom spaces.
No. 1874983
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>>1874869>can confirm it's her self insert. She's a petite black french girl IRL.I’m so confused, she uses he/they, calls herself trans and gay(for men?), but still self-inserts as her female lolibait oc who she also draws as a sexualized busty woman getting handled by comically large, masculine men
No. 1875209
>>1874983The two lower pics make me want to fucking retch with the way she drew the girl still looking like a kid while being grabbed by multiple men much bigger than her.
>I’m so confused, she uses he/they, calls herself trans and gay(for men?), but still self-inserts as her female lolibait oc who she also draws as a sexualized busty woman getting handled by comically large, masculine menLmao sounds like the typical case of her simply viewing women as a sexy toy for men even if it means sexualizing her past identity as one.
No. 1875594
>>1875586
>How do you nonnas handle drawing fanart for shows with a rabid fanbase?I usually just avoid drawing pieces that rely on memes, popular headcanons or shitposts. I used to draw for a fandom that was completely filled to the brim with nutcases, and I had two accounts. In one account I pretty much only posted drawings that were typical easy to consume, funny meme/shitposty content, while on the other account I posted more "serious" fanart. The "serious" fanart account was more peaceful by a LONG shot. Of course, rabid fans are ultimately unpredictable, but you'll most likely have an easier time if you just focus on drawing more serious, non-meme/shitpost/fandom headcanon-related art.
>And if you post art online, do you feel like follower count is and indicator of skill on average?Absolutely not. Because the same way that someone can have a large fanbase because they are an amazing artist with great skill, they can also get a large fanbase for other factors, most importantly if they know how to cater to a fandom or a specific group. If they're very popular, charismatic and most importantly they create content that's "fandom food" aka content that the fandom can easily eat it up such as the previously mentioned meme/shitpost-y art, then their overall skill matters little because people will be following them for factors other than artistic skill. It's why you sometimes see those western twitter online artists with weirdly high follower counts even though their art is shit tier- they most likely either draw shitposts that your average normy/fandom brainrotted user finds funny and wants to share it or they cater to a specific group and said group eats it up (such as catering to the
POC or LGBT crowd).
So no, follower count isn't a reliable indicator for skill.
No. 1875724
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Don't care for this guy and I hate that he keeps getting recommended to me, it's not like he has 0 talent but his stuff is just so…ugly.
No. 1875728
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>>1875724His portraits are especially unappealing
No. 1875834
>>1875724I liked his art and the way he uses his art materials until he drew a TIM for Women's Month awareness. There are two days and a month for Kweers and his answer for the backlash he got was "be kind". No, bro, we are not to be kind when you drew a moid when there are tons of women that made history.
>>1875728Funny how Ellen looks more full of life than she's now.
No. 1875932
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The tif kakyoin artist @brujoAri is trying to make a webtoon now kek.
No. 1876080
>>1876051>Early 2000s romanceIt’ll just be a generic romance with a corny AIM confession scene, an unfunny “pager = dealer” joke, and maybe one page with a bunch of
trigger warnings at the top for “era accurate violent homophobia” when a one-off bully calls the obvious girl a faggot. Lame.
No. 1876403
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does anyone know similar brushes for CSP?
No. 1876442
>>1876267>redefine the role of background characters>challenging coming-of-age movie norms>while teen protagonists do [bla bla paris popstars football], Kate and Alex embark on their own unique stories>departure from the regular narrative where school dance signals the end>defying conventions of traditional coming-of-age storytellingJesus christ kek did she really have to repeat basically the same thing 5 times?
You can tell a story’s going to be shit the moment descriptions of it focus on tropes(whether to gush about what beloved tropes it has, or to brag about how it’s not-like-other-stories). Just tell us what your story’s fucking about
No. 1876958
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>>1876747Most calarts artists come in extremely talented and come out with connections and taught to cheapen out. Many can and still do draw very well, but it never reflects in their commercial products. Even when making webcomics they can't take off the industry habits
No. 1877212
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>>1877173Something something Rcarts. Although I don't think it was Calarts doing the downgrade, but her own ego.
No. 1877220
File: 1707064848508.png (548.08 KB, 858x626, CarrieLu.PNG)
>>1876958This is actually by Shelby Cragg who from graduated Ringling and
>>1876747 is from Carrie Lu who thankfully doesn't seem to have lost any skill going to Calarts.
https://curielu.weebly.com/ No. 1877238
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>>1877212yeah, rcd's main issue was her ego. i followzd her cow anttics and she had a huge attitude.
if you looked at her graduation film compared to her classmates' it was way below standards,and her art just kept getting lazier. but she always posted shit saying her art was perfect and she was better than everyone else.
No. 1877250
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>>1877244yeah her traditional art was good but she mainly did self-portraits lol
also here's the previous year for comparison
No. 1877258
File: 1707067853202.jpg (Spoiler Image,6.83 KB, 198x254, pov youre a bee.jpg)
>>1877256you havent seen this one have you
also she works at a animation studio now kek No. 1877260
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>>1877256i don't much like msot of disney/pixar either. but this art is ugly and tumblr tier. there are strikingly original and skilled artists out there. this ain't it
also picrel and most of her output) was fanart, not original designs. these are adventure time characters
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>>1877238>>1877241>>1877250I still wonder what happened in her ego that made her think "oh yeah, I'm doing better".
>>1877256>>1877258Or picrel, the last nail of the coffin with
No. 1877263
>>1877258>>1877260>>1877261You don't need to spam me with different variations.
I honestly doesn't bother me. I'm not going to go out of my way to look for this type of art, but it's not 'ugly'. If you didn't tell me who the characters were, I honestly wouldn't know and just take it as designs too. They aren't award-winning, but they are visually interesting which is a big point in animation/art.
No. 1877264
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>>1877256 Both Pixar and rdcart SU ass babies are ugly as fuck. Cartoons already look that ugly, so i dont know why you are pretending as if rdcart designs are unique and one of a kind.
No. 1877265
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Does anyone have any tips on how to get back to drawing? I used to draw a lot as teen but have no proper foundation like knowing how to do studies and what not, I broke some bones in my hand a few years ago and was working full time so i just stopped, and never picked up a pencil ever again lol, I guess what hinders me the most is that i feel extremely mediocre and incompentent for my age, i give up on trying to draw again because i don't have the skill level to bring the images to life on paper, i feel like i'm missing that middle school web unbeatable confidence that even the most atrocious anime girl with huge eyes and dorito chin art made you so so proud.
No. 1877267
>>1877263no one's spamming you, different anons replied at the same time because most people do find her art extremely ugly. different strokes and all
i find her art offfensive on the eyes but i'll admit i have conservative taste.
No. 1877440
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>>1876958I feel like this is slowly happening to pollovy, all the grunge has been sucked out of her art at this point.
No. 1877500
>>1876747I was waiting for jury duty once and a guy next to me told me he had applied there
eight times. (I also applied but didn't get in and I thank my lucky stars every day for this.)
>>1877220Oh god I think I saw Shelby around when I was there. There were always some weird kids who cosplayed Homestuck for Halloween.
No. 1877625
>>1877220Carrie dropped out from Calarts according to her websites.
I really love her art and designs. Some are simple for animation yes but looks so appealing.
No. 1878035
>>1877461I know right? It's like there's a bot in this thread posting the same topics over and over.
>Guys how do I gain more followers on my art socmed and make tons of money??? Spoonfeed me please should I draw furries>How do I get good at art??? I've tried nothing and I can't come up with anything and I want to kill myself!!>Why are Chinese/Russian artists so much better than westoids?? >Nonnies how do I replicate this person's colouring style?? pls help I desperately need to rip them off without studyingAt least the AI art subject and lolicon whiteknighting don't appear as much ITT as they used to.
No. 1878118
>>1878035>>1878039That's why I feel like there should be a FAQ added to each new thread but also at the same time sometimes it leads to new conversations about topics that haven't been covered (I've read through every artist salt thread kek, so I'd know). Although the Chinese/Russian art thing has only been brought up more often in the past 3 threads iirc
>>1877957Pure, unadulterated ego, I want to be as good as art as I humanely can while having art in general be reduced to a side hobby amongst many. I find putting aside a couple hours a week to do study consistently helps, having no regular friends probably does too.
No. 1878161
>>1878056Same, that's also why I can't fully get into popular media like genshin or something. Beyond the awful fanbase those men have already been drawn in every position imaginable
>>1878118I feel like bringing up chinese artists has mostly just been an excuse to whine about mgong again. It's always farmers bitching about how she's good but her subjects are bad and she's pathetic for wanting actual engagement beyond likes. It all reeks of jealousy kek just sit down and spend 10 hours drawing each day without talking to anyone the way she's probably been doing for the last decade and you'll get there too even if you don't have the same genes
No. 1878291
>>1878239>mgongI mean even as a long time fan of hers I was still quite digusted when I discovered her pedo art and it hurt more since I've taken inspiration from her if you're comparing her with shadman (who literally drew cp of actual children and had actual cp) with mgong (who has drawn toddlercon and pedo art with her cuntboy oc) sure the severity doesn't compare but will it change the fact they've both posted porn with children in it? No.just because she's a woman it should be treated as a fetish and not degeneracy? There are many other artists like mgong you can take inspiration from
aka the artist she copies from.just go on bilibili and youll find numerous ones with the same style I'm not going to put her on a pedestal just because she draws good and I'm not going to moralfag someone over liking her art its pretty and well painted but you have to point out it's hard to enjoy after you know her degeneracy would you say the same for the scrotes who draw lolishit but have good technical skill?
No. 1878303
>>1878239the only things that freaked me out about mgong wasn't even just her art with uncensored kiddie porn, but more her written posts where she speaks with her fansbase detailing scenarios of how her oc preys on children. the last drop to me was one where a fan of hers detailed a full kiddie porn with mommy kink scenario and mgong kept praising it and saying how hot it was and expanding on what other things her oc would do to children in her story.
are there anons who shit on mgong out of jealousy? oh for sure. but that doesn't change the fact that it is undeniably disgusting that she publicly goes on and on about how much she finds sexual child abuse situations hot and then draws literal comics of her oc molesting kids. mgong isn't as bad as shadman and many other moids who engage with cp out there but her being a woman and an amazing artist shouldn't take from the fact that she's a disgusting person and that it's completely
valid to feel saddened and upset with that revelation.
No. 1878418
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Im really genuinely curious how do other nonnies see art?Like how does your eye travel when you make or see a art piece because I can't seem to visulize it fully at all like I cant see a full piece as is only snippets(one of the reasons I can't detect a mistake unless I zoom out until its a small thumbnail, traditional takes time ) I know composition helps in this but I'm really curious how other artits plan it? Are there tips? And what are some of your favourite compositions?
No. 1878448
>>1878418Drop the initial idea, keep refining until it feels right. Step back, adjust, correct any most . When the canvas is so zoomed in your eyes see pixels, I think it’s about time you zoom out and take in the forest first.
That's my take, Nonna. I’m not you, so it’s on you to figure what’s holding you back.
No. 1878672
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>>1878612It's extremely possible, there's been examples in prior threads of a challenge where artists draw semi realistically and then slowly make their art cartoonier/more chibi-like. Artists like MihifuHi also do a mix of both in their regular art.
No. 1878678
>>1878674I was thinking about it because anons said that once they started drawing more realistically they stopped being able to draw anime. Thankfully it hasnt happened to me, but i was also never good at drawing animu. I just like drawing tons of stuff but i tend to draw my women realistically and my men more animu kek
>>1878672mihifuhi is still animu though
No. 1878706
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So I was just screwing around, looking for stuff on Pinterest and stumbled across some… admittedly really nice-looking art (but it had some tell-tale signs of being modern). I found the artist's portfolio site and started looking through their stuff. A bit of yaoi, a bit of yuri, but all with this vintage, turn of the century look to it. Then I found picrel and it suddenly struck me: troon. I looked them up on Twitter, and sure enough, she's an aiden. What a fucking travesty, 'cause this lady (her name is Marlowe Lune) is really, really good. Too bad she's retarded.
No. 1878854
>>1878801uniforms are hot
>>1878823those are the absolute worst. There is also the Xirian tier mental gymnastic gold medal winners who try to spin old cultures being pedophilic and mysogynistc into actually being ''pro LGBTQ+''. The best thing about being a female historyfag is that i can watch all the death and suffering imposed upon moids and laugh at it, so why moralfag? the least war veterans deserve is being potrayed as kawiwi moe boys for female pleasure
No. 1878883
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>>1878769>>1878874Reminds me of when burgers went after Sachiko just because she was a military plane sperg
No. 1878898
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>>1878883I will never forgive twitterspergs for this. You dont know how incredibly happy i was that there was another female planefag in this world and that she was one of my favourite artists. I am so tired of women getting moralfagged to death when moids literally turn tanks, planes and guns into waifus and give them nazi motifs and no one gives a shit.
No. 1878937
>>1878874You remind me of my old bosses calling a greatcoat "fascist", lol
>>1878883Wow no love for the Junkers?! Or the Flying Fortress?!
No. 1878947
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I encountered this IG reel and I couldn’t help but be taken aback by this person’s amateurish (to put it bluntly) level of skill. She doesn’t primarily post art, but all of her drawings are the same 3/4 view girl heads. She says her dream was to be an animator, but it looks like she’s never opened a copy of Loomis. It’s not a crime to not be a Leyendecker or to draw for pleasure, but if you were truly serious about a career in art then wouldn’t working on the fundamentals be a no-brainer from the start? Yeah it sucks to be unemployed and directionless after graduating college but if anything there’s no better time to study the fundamentals when you don’t have full time obligations like school or a job.
No. 1878948
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>>1878907BRO don't even get me started on people who sob about Orientalism. I love that movement.
No. 1878954
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>>1878947to be fair you dont require skill to be an animator in the USA. Pic rel is an aniamtor even though she cant draw for shit, and dare i say draws worse than the example you posted.
No. 1878973
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>>1878954Seems like a case of TIF/gendie induced art rot - she isn’t the cream of the crop but its apparent she at least has a bare minimum of skill to work in a career that requires drawing. If she stopped drawing foul cartoon porn I’m sure her artwork would automatically improve leaps and bounds.
Meanwhile, the person I shared draws stuff like this…It feels like something a 13 year old would post on Deviantart. Again, it’s not bad to be unskilled but it’s clear this person has no interest in improving on a technical level.
No. 1878999
>>1878973how old is that artist? this girl
>>1878954 is 30.
No. 1879425
>>1878874To be honest I agree about this, I don't think drawing uniforms or even being inspired by the Schutzstaffel ones is anything to phone home about and I don't look twice at people doing it because I don't care but
purposefully making it an actual SS uniform complete with the insignia to portray nazis in a flattering way
is trashy and juvenile, it makes the artist look like an edgy contrarian looking to twigger le libz to milk for exposure through outrage.
No. 1879528
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How to git gud with drawing facial expressions?
No. 1879549
>>1879528Study from real life/photos (yourself with a mirror is also good), and also from media/artists that you like the expressions of (eg ref from films with acting you like for the expression you want, and take note of how an artist conveys expressions on their characters). Avoid copying 'sticker' expressions that are basically slapping emoji features onto a face. Understand the anatomy of the head/skull before you try to push expressions further, especially if your style isn't super cartoony and loose (even if it is, learn it anyway). Also always keep in mind that the whole body is part of the expression- personally I like to always at least include the shoulders when sketching- and things like slight head tilting can really help sell your characters' 'acting'.
Brace yourself for your early attempts looking awkward as fuck, especially when referencing from real life. imo it's very easy to draw a pleasant-looking neutral face and much harder to idk draw someone realistically screaming without it looking laughable when you're just starting out. Expressions were a hard spot for me, so I know the pain kek
Good luck anon!
No. 1879680
>>1879669God knows. When I drew mainly men who were hot to me, a bunch of gay guys followed me.
Probably anime bishies? I was drawing scrawny but Western-styled illustrated dudes.
No. 1879801
>>1879711>>1879669Draw what
you like Nona. If you like it, there’s definitely other women out there who enjoy it too. Even if you think your own taste is niche, that just means women who like the same type of men as you will be even more eager and hungry to see you draw their type.
No. 1879835
>>1878769I feel this in my soul.
>>1878898Same. I'm into WWI aeroplanes, and the one planefag that loved the Red Baron enough to make a comic about him is a troon who neatly on her page explains that she doesn't want to interact with people who wrongthink, or in any way, shape, or form post about anything remotely related to Germany during WWII because that makes us nazi fetishists, and they make her sick.
I also like pilots from WWII, but my fav is German. Don't get me started on the historyfags that like German pilots from WWII, they're all about shipping Hitler with Goebbels and often into guro (no judgement but it's not my thing), but their bio says '
TERF DNI'.
These people have made it so that I'm afraid to talk about or share my hobby in online spaces where I used to be able to meet fellow historyfags. It's tainted my love for the Red Baron, since I now have to associate what could have been a fun thing with her illustrations and by extension this entitled troon attitude.
It's literally more important for them to engage in their strange religion with fellow worshippers, than for them to find other people into the same niche shit, without considering what effect this has on their niche as a whole.
No. 1879950
>>1879425whats the different between making a reference like
>>1878898 and just drawing an accurate portray? i personally dont want to own the libs or anything i just like history and i dont see the point in making a ''hint'' vs just drawing it accurately. Some people think everyone is in constant contrarian mode and i find that baffling, reminds me of those trannies that purposefully blackwash characters just to be contrarian and attentionwhoring as if anyone cares they draw a black and morbidly obese version of miku.
No. 1880804
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>>1879848She made a whole apology post over it. Twitter retards were freaking out over this post (
https://twitter.com/sac_macaroni/status/1684770361429401600) in particular.
No. 1880826
>>1880804Oh my fucking god I hate these people. But drawing kids with zipper tits it's totally okay and educated!!1
I wouldn't know what I would do if this ever happen to me. Are you at risk of losing job opportunities for things like these?
No. 1880948
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>>1880933NTA but she generally seems like a meek person and I can't imagine being bitched at for years on end about something you thought was incosequential by retarded burgers would be good for you. It's not her fault Kenichi brought TIFs over to her account just because he happens to look like Will Graham
No. 1880982
>>1878948This, omg. I love orientalist art and want to do some myself but keeping up with what is and isn’t
problematic is tiresome. I just wanna draw cool stuff not be lectured.
No. 1880986
>>1880929nta but i've had the same issue every time with new twitter accounts even after interacting with others for months
twitter is just a black hole
No. 1880987
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>>1880926This is sadly the case for anyone who draws cute men nowadays. They attract TIFs who want to skinwalk their OCs.
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>>1878706Some of her stuff is nice sure but ultimately she's just another gendie who can't keep troonism out of her art, picrel is the birth of venus with zippertits
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i know its pathetic but seeing artists that mog me artistically at my age depresses me. I try to turn it into inspiration but part of me cannot stop thinking about all the wasted time.
No. 1881080
>>1880239kek
>>1880476for fun i usually do 30 minutes to an hour max on a character drawing or short doodles, i never finish or render anything. by studying that would mean practicing anatomy or other skills with repetition like gestures or exercises from an art book.
No. 1881152
>>1881054why do the neck and the head on venus look so fucked lmao
also i just noticed the fucking pubes/belly hair and the tranny scars. disgusting.
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>>1881152>>1881149To be fair, while the art is awful, the original is pretty fucked too lmao.
No. 1881370
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So I was listening to Twisted Disaster's (Michie) latest stream and I just had to "nope" out because of the usual bullshit that she spews but this one in particular really annoyed the fuck outta me. In her recent livestream she mentioned how she had to go to the ER because of something that started with her not getting her period in 3 months (which was understandable), of course with her feeling the need of a eminder that she's "AFAB" but she also mentioned how when she went to the ER, she said that for once her doctor didn't say that her problem was because she was fat (obese, let's be real) but after seeing a recent photo of how she looks, she's fucking delusional thinking that her weight has nothing to do with her health problems, especially with her periods. I find it ridiculous how she likes to act like she has control over her weight but then admits to having super sugary Starbucks drink every other day (she says "treat" but she says that a lot), how she eats Oreo soup (puts Oreos in a cup with milk and eats it with a spoon once it's soggy), and even eating plain frosting out of the can. And I wouldn't feel the need to talk about this if she wasn't so in denial of her health situation and I just can't believe how she really doesn't think that her constant snacking with little to no exercise (at most she stretches) has no bearing on her health problems that seem to pop up every month (she always has some story to share about how she got sick). It's just some real big far-logic if I'd ever seen it.
But the thing that really got me to click out was when she said she called herself "nonbinary" (I guess she "came out" now) and how she was "living assigned as the female gender" but no longer is. I know that I shouldn't be surprised at hearing this kind of retarded nonsense about the gender bullshit but I had to do a mental double-take hearing it coming from her, a grown ass woman in her 30s.
With all the health problems she has that are related to her being a woman, a female regardless of how she "identifies" from her fucked menstrual cycles and ovarian cancer scare (that thankfully was benign, I think she's annoying but I don't wish cancer on anyone), I just cannot wrap my head around how someone like this can believe they are anything but a woman. Then again she calls "female" a "gender" and most of her friends are retarded zoomers who with all except like one, are troons or "nonbinary" and I guess it was only a matter of time before she fell down it too.
Anyway rant over, I apologize for the length but I just had to vent about this. Every time I try to give her the benefit of the doubt, something stupid has to pop up kek.
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>>1881383TBF, I think this was a "stamp rally" event, not a full con show but I get you. She did share that she sold a lot at the cons she did do recently. Picrel is what her setup looked like at one of the previous cons she did, looks a bit more lively in comparison but it's her quality of art that is just well, I can't say I would be compelled to buy from but I'm sure it appeals to others.
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Any based chinese speaking nonnas happen to have a pdf copy/download link of these books?
Thanks in advance!
No. 1881825
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>>1881731AYRT, the reason why I sometimes listen to her livestream backlog (I don't tune into them live) is mainly for background noise when I'm driving to work and she's one of the few artists who's around my age (I'm 2 years older than her) and I am a darkly-inclined nerdy person myself. It's tough to find other artists around my age who make commentary content and talk about fandom topics while tying it to art. TheStarFishFace is the closest I can think of and while she's nowhere near as annoying as TD, she doesn't upload all that much. So I just try to sit through TD's livestreams and ignore the BS she spews. She sometimes says some okay things but lately she's been saying all kinds of retarded BS that is fatlogic related (the aforementioned health problems that are undoubtedly tied to her obesity) and now this "nonbinary" stuff.
I don't disagree with you that her art is deviantart-core fodder and hasn't improved. Her doing all these fancy color tricks does nothing for the overall quality but again, as far as livestreams go I just ignore it since I'm not looking at the screen anyway since I'm driving kek.
But believe me, I would love to find some other artists who are in their 39s who make this kinda content but there aren't a whole lot.
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I haven't checked on her in years but wtf is this lol
No. 1881926
>>1881882ah, I knew who that was instantly omg
I like some of her reviews but her style is something is atrocious to me
No. 1882056
>>1881980Wouldn't call myself an older anon (I'm assuming you're talking about 30+), but traditional artists tend to ease into digital art a lot better than vice versa. Learn the hotkeys and learn to adjust brush settings, and that's about all you need.
Blend modes and gradients are crutches, and rendering digitally for me is a lot like painting with gouache.
No. 1882184
>>1881825Hey michie-nona. I was wondering when you were going to show up.
I don't understand why you would listen to absolute shit like this for years. Listen to something that will enrich and add to your own life or art skill. I get hatewatching and that this is the art salt thread but there's nothing to really bring to the table about her. Wouldn't it be a better use of your time and attention to focus on something better? She's been doing the same art for ever now kek. You don't have to put yourself through that, you don't deserve it.
No. 1882284
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I dont understand shitter. I just made and account, got instantly shadowbanned and no one can see my replies. How do i break from this fucking curse? I replied to an artist doing a DTIYS and asked my friend to see if it shows up, it doesnt. How do i know if my account is only temporarily banned or permashadowbanned? I didnt do anything wrong, i have been interacting with my feed and following artists i like. I just want to get commissions.
No. 1882295
>>1881882I usually like her vids, but the ones with her cringey husband are the ones I hate the most.
The first video I remember years ago was when both of them were doing a collab with another artist couple (it might've been DoodleDate?). Her husband thought it would be knee-slappingly hilarious if he talked with a Cookie Monster voice all throughout the video.
The 2nd video I remember was a collab between him and Kasey where it was like a reverse of picrel. He drew while she narrated, and in the end she had to censor the whole pic because he drew a huge penis because that's top comedy I guess.
Anyway I'm glad such collabs are rare.
No. 1882321
>>1882295I remembered doodledate being such a cute channel until I saw an anon post that the moid drew coomery lolibait stuff
>>1588111 inoffensive women Youtubers tend to have an annoying Nigel for some reason
No. 1883050
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>>1882184AYRT I know, I know, I really shouldn't be watching her anymore at this point. It's just that like I mentioned before, she's closer to my age and some of the things she has shared/talked about that were nostalgia related, I could totally relate to. Her art leaves a lot to be desired but back then and even with the streams, I just ignored it because it was clear she was never gonna improve the quality of it (that isn't just coloring/linework like she always feels so proud in) but I stuck around just for background noise. In the beginning she wasn't that bad but then she started featuring her gendie-tard friends and the quality of the streams started going down. I still watched since she didn't always feature them but towards the later end of 2023, she has been saying all kinds of ridiculous crap with no pushback from her friends (since they're young gendie tards anyway). I've been able to jhust listen and eyeroll whenever she said something dumb but this last stream just gave a mental aneurysm lol
And don't worry, I do watch/listen to other content that is much more enriching, it's just that sometimes I need that "junk food" content (kek) and for that, I like listening to commentary speedpaint style videos where they talk about fandom and/or storytimes but whenever I would search for new ones to listen to, the artist is usually 16-23 and it just takes me out of it because at my stage in life, I just can't really relate with people this age anymore. That's why I held onto Michie since every now and then she would say something relatable.
Hope that all makes sense.
>>1882861>Chris Hong>Cosmic SpectrumAYRT and I checked them out, I love Cosmic Spectrum's art style, it's beautiful and definitely more in my alley of personal taste in aesthetic. She seems nice and I'll definitely check out more of her videos
Chris Hong, while her art is cute and I adore that she does a lot of traditional work, it's not really the kind of content I'm looking for as I was looking for more commentary type videos but thanks for the suggestion nonetheless.
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>>1883437Muh style is not an excuse to have shit line weight or art in general, anon. She can't even colour the line consistently. Just because you have stylised art doesn't mean you get a pass on have shit and unappealing art.
Where have the artists in the art salt thread gone?
No. 1883486
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crosspostinf from the animation industry cows thread. I have noticed there are a lot of talentless people with no experience that want to create their own indie animation shows lately,also 'flimpo' is such a retarded name for a studio.
No. 1883487
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>>1883486and this is how they draw kek who the fuck wants to see something animated by these hacks? vivzie and lackadaisy are only popular because they offer unique styles and the animation is fucking amazing
No. 1883489
>>1883486I'm a sucker for mixed media animation (as they implied) but everything else looks like something from a schoolastic graphic novel.
>>1883487The background studies/tests aren't the best but they're cute, everything else is disgusting but then again you don't have to know how to draw super well to animate (it is ideal though)
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>>1883490> everything else looks like something from a schoolastic graphic novelWhy would you assume this is a compliment?
No. 1883544
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Has anyone tried Naoki Saito's 3 month improvement method? I don't know which artist to choose to study from. I like way too many, but I can't find out that draws exactly how I want to.
No. 1883649
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izumi_is_blah (and her other alt izublah on Discord/Twitter) constantly traces and uses AI for clout (she's been doing this for a long time now). Even her commission sheet is blatantly AI art.
And a lot of people she interacts with are also art thieves (like the user CptCaption who has an entire discord channel full of stolen VN commercial Japanese art that he traces and tries to pass off as his own… and Izumi was there doing that, too).
Plus… Amagimon (now called mr_van and KuroArc) annihilated his whole art Twitch channel because he was caught stealing Megami Tensei art assets, and was modifying them and stealing them.
Honestly, I consider it a moral failing to use AI or steal from others (AI or otherwise). They're benefiting from stolen work and helping it grow. It's repulsive.
No. 1883664
>>1883602I mean as far as indie projects go, it's mediorce at best. See vidrel in comparison to
>>1883486 , similar team numbers, production time and experince the only difference is that The Lovers team was filled with people who were actively trying to get the best animation out as possible
Sad that TIMs are latching on to this No. 1883669
>>1883664>Sad that TIMs are latching on to thisWhaaat?? Nooooo. But then again considering its premise ("
toxic yuri" with an Asian protagonist) it was bound to attract kind of TIMs who want to larp as those.
No. 1883682
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(didn't realise the video was auto-linked fml)
>>1883664Samefag, one of the team members being Tanjeronie, which christ if there was an artist I'd be jealous of, it'd be her. And she's only 18? Christ. (Picrel isn't her best but it is my favourite, after the shots she animated in the trailer)
>>1883669Yeah, it's really unfortunate. Just avoid any discussion of it on Twitter as I've been doing.
No. 1883712
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>>1883649God, this girl is shameless.
I see what you mean anon, her commission info looks like purely AI or a bad paint-over to cover it up.
All the time and energy she spends trying to unAi-ify these images, she could just learn to paint, lol. Laziness is one hell of a drug, I guess. Not sure why so many ppl are following this scammer.
No. 1883738
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>>1883649>>1883712Actually, a lot of izumi_is_blah's art seems suss. Definitely AI or traced in some way. Even her most recent comic she posted appears to be traced AI art.
For instance, the bra strap here disappears behind her shoulder, and yet another bra strap around her arm.
It doesn't look right at all. No actual artist would make such a silly mistake.
No. 1883744
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>>1883649>>1883738This comic, you mean? Yeah… it's awfully stiff and unnatural-looking.
Geezus, people like this are awful. The value of art doesn't just come from a single image but the hours of practice and drilling needed to get the skills to make that image. No matter how skilled or detailed/whatever AI art is, the fact that a robot without inspiration made it using a database of human generated art makes it much less inspiring in my eyes.
No. 1883758
>>1883738I am a bad artist myself, but the brownhaired girls hand being wrapped around the white haired girls arm and then grabbing her own arm doesn't make sense to me position wise. I think it would be better if BH girl had her arms around WH girls arm or if they were both around her torso. The mix annoys me.
Also, bad at light, so is it me or does that rectangle of light on WH's stomach not make any sense. I'm trying to think where is that light coming from and idk.
No. 1883793
>>1883649>>1883712>>1883738>>1883744>>1883750>>1883758>>1883784Good input from others so far.
I've been an artist for a long time, and I agree a lot of izumi_is_blah's pieces are full of abnormalities if you carefully look it over.
Regarding the May and Bridget piece, I wish it was just a simple armband, but… IMO the strap on one of the girl' really does look like it's attached to the bra. So I think it's strange overall, and doesn't make much logical sense, and it has some fairly obvious telltale signs of AI (such as: usually weird elements that don't make a whole lot of sense, blurriness to the image—no brushstrokes, etc, melty lineart/shading, backgrounds and bizarre anatomy like extra limbs/fingers, or other bizarre artistic choices, etc)—All of which I'm mentioning are just some examples of things that AI often produces lazily, and it's often flawed or stiff/soulless in the worst ways.
And I think the "shininess" could be an attempt to do a particular light source, however the light source looks really wonky and abnormal (something I see common in AI art, or AI-assisted artwork, or bad AI paint-overs, since an AI bro isn't really an actual artist with a developed critical vision/attention to detail, so you can't really expect AI bros to know something looks odd when they themselves can't draw it/visualize it in their heads like a good artist would.
I think it's just super deceptive especially when this person (izumi_is_blah) is "taking commissions."
Plus, when multiple artists tried to ask for a video process from Izumi, she vehemently tries to get out of it, or tries to shift blame onto others for even asking.
To me, the longer someone stares at AI art, you cannot help but think it looks painful and strained; since it steals real artwork from others… chops them up and splits them into meaningless fragments.
Since real artists (generally) train their eye to look beyond that, and see if the piece makes any sense, and flows well. As an artist's main skill is observation.
Well, those are my thoughts about it, anyway.
No. 1883826
>>1883810Definitely agree with you there! I don't see the appeal to retouching an AI image, though. As when I look at a piece of art made by a human, I am seeing a collection of their experiences and inspiration. When I see AI influenced art, I think "Well, it has this soulless and uncreative… uncanny valley type-feeling."
Since just retouching a boring AI image is lazy and lacks the human element and creativity, it just doesn't feel the same.
Not great that izumi_is_blah is trying to pass this retouched AI as handmade, either.
The comic by her is also extremely rigid, idiotic and comes off as uninspired.
No. 1883876
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>>1883870Samefag, but I went to look more in to their art, and anons aren't posting wips and stuff. This is the same sketchy lineart that's cleaned up just barely on top of most of the examples.
No. 1883888
>>1883870>>1883876i noticed everyone has different opinions about this.
some say it's retouched ai which is a possibility.
one says it’s likely traced ai art, and that is also possible, too.
i personally think it is ai in some way, because i agree that’s it's super stiff and not well executed.
izumi's drawings also look like chicken scratch and just plain bad, and her attitude towards other artists is meh (I've seen her around on discord art channels before). she also pretends to be japanese but she isn't, lol.
also, i'm sure some of the anons didn't share wips or sketches from her because they probably thought ppl would just go to their page, and analyze it for themselves.
No. 1883904
>>1883894not really, but you can have your own opinion about it, that's fine. to me, however, using ai is not ethical in any shape or form. also, have you seen how most ai bros talk? they don't have much care for the actual craft of doing art for enjoyment or fun in a creative way.
they just want pretty soulless pictures fast with little to no effort. it just feels lazy no matter how you look at it, and it's devoid of all soul and creativity. i rather appreciate real artists who actually love to draw with passion. an artist draws to impart emotions into a canvas the same way a writer does.
creating is part of the human experience, and letting a robot do it for you seems like you're denying yourself the human experience which is kinda sad.
also, i've seen other art styles similar to izumi by other artists, but none of them were this stiff and artificial. so i'm not surprised ppl think it's ai, or ai influenced.
No. 1883938
>>1883914not true, i don't think every art i see is ai, this particular one, tho… yes, it probably is "ai influenced," and the person associated with it is friends with multiple art thieves and previous offenders (as was mentioned by the original anon who first brought it up), and izumi has a history of harassing people over trivial things, she even has another alt that she harassed ppl on… and others that she had deleted in the past when karma hit her. she even chased more than one japanese off twitter as she was spamming them rude comments and harassment in english about a fictional character (bridget in guilty gear)
why, do i know this? i've seen her around on twitter during the drama, and on various art discord servers.
she's a terrible person, and a horrible liar. there's no reason to be defend this person.
No. 1884603
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>>1884582Nah it's not HolyRavioli, it's just fanart of her characters by a different artist МАНЫЧ! (Picrel is though)
No. 1884631
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I feel bad because normally I’d love to support people making shows for young girls but I hate the style so much. I blame steven universe and craig of the creek. I wish more indie creators attempted interesting styles instead of imitating the stuff in the mainstream.
The “queer sailor moon meets x” description is also a turn off but I’m assuming that’s for marketing purposes (has that ever been an effective marketing tactic?). At least it seems to have more effort put into it than pen pals forever
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wheelsandroses/wheels-and-roses-tv-pilot No. 1884641
>>1884639forgot to mention, i agree with the previous anons who spoke here.
i also took a look at izumi's other alt - izublah, and she is definitely a
toxic person, for sure.
so if she's not an art thief, she's that, at least.
No. 1884752
>>1884631oh, this is going to be horrible because:
Founder of the studio is theyby
Two of the characters are theybys
In the intro video of the kickstarter, she spends 20 seconds talking about some Indian charity she's is going to donate too before she gets to pitch
She says she was inspired by magic girl anime and sports anime (fuckin weebs), so why is the art not anime inspired. cause she is a lazy and/or a shit artist
She loves roller derby and troons took over roller derby way earlier than everything else they've infested
There is zero mention in the kickstarter page of any actual lesbians in the core characters, so it's highly likely the queer stuff is the just the enbys and the gay dads. (and why is it always gay dads. lesbians are much more likely to have kids than gays)
The only description of the actual plot is that the characters "build meaningful relationships and explore who they are as individuals" and "we’d also like to show our characters’ lives, to get a better sense of their different lived experiences." ok, then.
Some of the character descriptions sound like they work-shopped to death by a DEI group
>Kinda surrounds herself with mean friends who only care about "being cool" >very community centered, she knows most people in her neighborhood and vice versa>Due to trauma surrounding trust, Bree doesn't easily operate as part of a collectivenobody talks like this.
Things that bother me on a personal level:
The mc who does not have the special powers the rest of the world has but manages to win anyway - i hate this plot so much
Wtf are swords doing in a sport. That seems completely ridiculous and dangerous. Does sports anime usually have weapons.
The team working on the show is all women except for one random ass white dude. Why couldn't they find a woman to compose. Is he sleeping with someone, is that why he got hired. but then he's not attractive, so, idk.
No. 1884802
>>1884631I'm so fucking tired of this wave of western cartoons that always follow the same formula.
>calarts/SU art style>"inspired by (insert big popular 90's anime, usually shoujo genre)">the "inspiration" is either just a cheap copy of the story or a copy of the anime's tropes>enby/troon shit or low effort gay romance>the most boring character designs known to manI don't want some ugly ass enby magical girl Sailor Moon knockoff derby cartoon, I want a fucking derby cartoon. If you claim to be "inspired" by sports anime then why not try to make your own damn sports anime and actually stick to the inspo source?
No. 1884840
>>1884803nta, but personally I don't like kickstarter projects that include charity/non-project expenses– all money should be going towards production/fulfilment of the project. kickstarter projects have enough trouble with scope-creep and fund mismanagement, adding charity feels unnecessary especially before you even hit your goal.
Another thing about the intro video: I thought it was an odd choice to have some finalised animation of a couple shots of people mostly standing around, yet the Magical Girl- one of the key selling points of the pitch- transformation was a sketchy animatic. To me, this makes it look like you're pitching too soon (same with the lack of pre-production art aside from a couple examples) or aren't prioritising the right things to help sell your pitch.
No. 1884856
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How do you deal with large followings? Like over a thousand followers? Do you just post shit and go?
No. 1884890
>>1884856>>1884858Just don't think about the amount of people looking at your posts if that's something you're nervous about and it'll be fine, but if you want to avoid any trouble you better say as little about yourself as possible. Only talk about the stuff you're interested in and don't let yourself get pressured into anything. No one online has any power over you and you need to remember that.
Reply to comments in a polite and kind way if you want to receive more in the future, it encourages people to interact with you. I only answer comments from strangers if they follow me, their profile doesn't turn me off and I have something to say besides "thank you". If they are under 18 I remove or block them and if they post or like anything degenerate or annoying that I happen to see at a glance I also block them. If it's something particularly annoying or offensive to me I'll block their entire following as well, I usually do that as preventative measure when I see someone engage in stupid callouts too. Even on my 10k+ accounts I rarely got dms, but I answered all the ones that were sent by mutuals who wanted to talk about something or followers who had simple questions and ignored the rest. If you're in a fandom you shouldn't go out of your way to engage with non-artist accounts that post memes and such. Those are usually the people that have enough time on their hands to start drama. Generally limit your time on social media to a few hours and stick to those limits.
No. 1885240
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Kind of irrelevant but I get really tired at the disconnect between "I like drawing for fun" and "I want to improve my art" in art communities and the ensuing shitflinging that happens when someone dares to recommend how to improve just because it looks daunting or "unfun"
This comment describes how I feel best about it. You should still cook obviously but you won't be on the same level as professional chefs but there's nothing wrong with that! I think the best comparison is between making scrambled eggs vs French omelette or omurice vs fried rice with eggs.
No. 1885407
>>1884856Doesn't variations of this question get posted often? The general advice seems to be to put on a professional face, don't talk too much about yourself.
I'd go a step further and say that if you want to highlight interactions but stay on the safe side idk make them up yourself? Sounds a bit sad but on insta send yourself questions and answer them, no one knows who sends those questions anyway except the account receiving them. It allows you to be like "I can't answer everything sorry". Not sure what the twitter equivalent of that would be
No. 1885416
>>1885114It's a pitching tactic, you use proven properties that can convey the broad concepts and potential aesthetics and storytelling of your idea. From my experience, a lot of people go for the closest thing that is similar to their idea but is well-known, rather than something lesser-known that's closer to what they're trying to do. I've also seen some people change their original idea and pitch to make it better fit their 'x meets y'/'x inspired' logline, which is pretty dumb
>>1885284'It's probably just because they want to fund a pilot to shop around to networks/streaming services and kid's shows are more likely to be bought than a more unique/interesting adult (or even teen) show that'd be seen as too risky (especially if there's no audience already attached to prove the success of the concept)
No. 1885519
>>1885509not saying that anyone would actually buy and produce it, just the motivation- western animation still has a stigma of being something for children for the most part, so that market is usually a safer bet. Besides, a lot of people in animation aren't really in it to tell a good story with good visuals/animation, they want to be cool like the creators they idealised and get their show on the same big networks they watched as children.
And for what it's worth, from what I've heard anyway, established IPs can be a pain to work with thanks to creative constraints and sometimes be more expensive to produce due to rights and all that.
No. 1885697
>>1883649>>1883712>>1883738>>1883744I will never understand women who draw moidpandering coomshit like this. It's genuinely upsetting to me to think that someone representing the gender being objectified, fetishized, dehumanized, raped and assaulted since birth would produce this kind of content unabashedly.
As for the AI accusations, they don't look AI produced to me, but traced AI is a possibility because for example in
>>1883738 the bloom style lighting is a signature AI model look and it honestly looks like it's just painted over with no fundamental understanding of how it actually works and blends. For someone who's otherwise skilled in creating a detailed composition and for example, knows to make the bow in the bra look three dimensional in its shape, to make the hands look detached and way smaller than they should is very curious. Another telltale thing is that everything she draws looks very different and there's no consistent style between drawings, her wips also look traced having been rendered in full detail and clean lines, no layered rough sketches like artists usually have in their drafts. I might be wrong about everything but having seen quite a bit of tracers in my life it's definitely suspicious.
No. 1885954
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>>1885716You'd be shocked at the amount of actual female artists who draw this garbage. I actually knew one personally IRL, coincidentally she was also a tracer.
I'm not sure about AI specifically in this person's work but it has some telltale signs of tracing such as weirdly placed lines and details that make no sense but have been copied from the source image. There are also drastic shifts in her skill level across drawings and she has real trouble making her characters interact with the environment, like doing a pretty good rendition in foreshortening but everything else in the background is fucked, or one piece might have an almost professional level lighting planning while the other one is middle school level pillow shading or really badly blended shadows. Her style also changes across drawings a lot, so I'm lead to believe that some of it is traced, some is AI with touch ups, and some is original. Someone had posted this in the maid Bridget image's replies so make of it what you will. It's honestly depressing that AI has offered a new way for grifters to make money but I'm also glad that more awareness is being raised in detecting them.
No. 1885966
>>1885880>cool monstersGenerally basic design principles should be enough, especially if you want more stylised or surreal monsters, but if you want to at least lean on realism I recommend really getting to know animal anatomy as well as comparative anatomy. Understanding anatomy, behaviour, and how to twist and break it will help sell your design as believable, and then including higher concept ideas or symbolism can add interest and link creatures to the rest of your project. Moodboards are your friend. Use the purpose of your monster to guide your design, and figure out how you want other characters to interact with and contrast/compliment it. Look into things like silhouette and shape design, but adhere to both more lightly the more realistic/grounded you want a creature to feel. Find art/artists that inspire you and study them to work out what you'd like to take from them to incorporate into your own work, as well as figure out what features from animals, objects, aesthetics, and folklore/myth really appeal to you to help strengthen your creature design's identity. Most of all though, have fun!
(I'll leave the human character side of things to other anons kek)
No. 1886157
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>>1885959"Harder to even prove it"
Yeah totally
No. 1887189
>>1887111My best friend is like that, she always asks me for ideas, so what I lack in talent she lacks in ideas you could say, and we kind of help each other like that.
So maybe get a creative friend to help you out.
No. 1887192
>>1886993I wouldn’t say they’re intrusive but yeah. I also get really annoyed that my parents never supported me.
Won’t stop me learning but I also get jealous of people who improve so quickly when they put their mind to it
No. 1887214
>>1887179Maybe you should get into RP groups or DnD or something. They are usually full of people with creative ideas (also degens and freaks of course, it's never easy to find someone you click with) but maybe you can make lasting friendships there so you won't have to worry about getting taken advantage of. Or check out itch.io game jams, there are always at least some teams searching for artists.
Last year I felt the same way you do, I was even getting desperate enough to browse the tapas forum for collab requests but never contacted anyone because entering that kind of creative relationship with strangers seemed too difficult. It only got better for me after I found a new game I became passionate about making fanart for. It helped me realize what aspects of characters I like drawing the most and I ended up designing my own. Now I'm never running out of things to draw
No. 1887509
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>>1884419How? Aside from obvious silly mistakes (that take a few minutes to fix from anyone even trying) I don't have anything solid. "It's too good to be true" or "this gives me a funny feeling" or "you've produced too many master-quality works in too short a time" are the best I've got.
No. 1887840
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Does anyone know of artists with super detailed styles? I really wanna do some master studies to improve at rendering.
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>>1887840Why not skip the middleman and just do texture studies
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Do any anons here know of any good custom lineart brushes for ibis, or maybe even good settings for the standard brushes? I tried searching on pinterest but most of them are no good and better fitted for messy artstyles.
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>>1887840I would go with Charles Bargue for rendering studies.
No. 1889534
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I still wish lolcow had an art thread, or atleast a discord where people posted work. Still boggles my mind that 4chan anon is able to have serveral while we can't have one.
No. 1889543
>>1889534same
nonnie. i have no idea where to share my art to ask for constructive criticism.
No. 1890016
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>>1889830Art pages that solely consist of copying other people's anime drawings are only appealing to people who don't draw or make art in general. The fact that the channel you posted has a video of a drawing this shitty, as well as AI videos leads me to believe that this guy 100% just feeds prompts into AI image generators and copies them.
No. 1890299
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shit >>>>>>>>>> power gap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moid artists who only draw with an alias ink brush and ugly or no colors and blank background and walls of internet poisoned coomer text whose only "artistic value" is a sense of anatomy and form to draw women with porn proportions to rile up their thousands of equally degenerate followers. As specific as this archetype is they're all over the internet like bugs, picrel has got to the the poster child. Even some coomer artists do things with color or light or composition or environments that you could extract a little appreciation of beauty from, but shit like this is picking up a pencil for absolutely nothing but propagating pornsickness and internet retardation. Whenever I catch an accidental glimpse of one I'm filled with disgust because these scrotes are mind body and soul just pure filth.
No. 1890335
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How do you color study? It's something I really struggle with. I can copy an image and make the colors look like the original, but that's not what I want. I want interesting palettes. I try following palettes sets, and while the colors look good, it looks pop arty. I want to get interesting colors, but not fuck up the character's color scheme to the point it's unrecognizable. Does that make sense?
No. 1890353
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Can anyone recommend good furry artists who don't fetishize animal parts? I love anthro animals but I'm uncomfortable with the sexualization of animals characteristics that seem to dominate the furry community. Anyone feels the same? Pic unrelated.
No. 1890387
>>1890299ew I’m always going to hate this disgusting fucking coomer moid. He needs to be put down. ‘hahah it’s just a joke! it’s just a joke’ it’s never a joke kill yourself his “art” is a hundred times more repulsive than straight up hentai.
god I hate him so much. the art is just shitty enough that it’s recognizable among the flood of over rendered Japanese porn art (which is kind of neutral enough to ignore). the “humor” relies on knowing what shortstack goblins and bad end orc hentai are. you have to be so far gone, if you’re so far degenerated irs over for you and you’ll never be able to go back. gotta love the /v/ memes whining about games not having enough titties in them. all the video game/meme humor injected into it makes it so much worse somehow. his drawing of bayonetta was so repulsive, his obvious mommy/pregnancy fetish truly distills the male psyche to its core, “what if I had a mommy I could nut in?”. like ‘dnd pregnant elf slut alignments’. was a pregnant elf slut not enough, you had to do some funny epic meme about it? all the fetishes target the same male human slug who expects to be serviced but calls it femdom. I truly wish I could bludgeon myself about the head and forget I ever saw them.
sorry for blog but my ex used to like and retweet this guy a lot and always say it was a joke like, I can’t believe I was dumb enough to believe him. Every time I feel bad I remember this guys degenerate comics and am glad he’s out of my life No. 1890396
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>>1890353>Can anyone recommend good artists who draw cute ecchi-style anime girls but don't fetishize them? I love the exaggerated figures, small outfits, and big eyes/hair but I'm uncomfortable with the sexualization of the drawings that seem to dominate the community. Anyone feels the same? Pic unrelated.How you sound. You're looking for not-sexual images in a coomer/fetish community. Just accept what furries are. Non-sexual furry art doesn't exist because to furries the animal parts are hot. It's not even worth digging through all the coom to find the people who aren't publicly posting their jerkoff material (but probably still post it on a secret alt account)
No. 1890403
>>1890353yoginnnnnn on twitter
I don’t know any others but you can probably look through her following. For reference I strongly dislike the pic you posted kek
>>1890396There is non sexual furry art though, as well as non sexual anime girl art. Not every anime girl is a sparkly pink homunculus in retard clothes
No. 1890427
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>>1890403I think it’s so funny that furries have convinced people that’s true. It used to be a joke that they would repeat that line to defend themselves over and over and every time their secret diaper furry pictures or similar would get leaked. The only nonsexual anthro stuff is for children and even that isn’t always safe once you go online. Something like Beatrix Potter is ok, but that’s not the kind of anthro art furries are making.
No. 1890542
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>>1890497@Takn_6333 I just really like detailed backgrounds
No. 1890928
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>>1890312Alias means a hard pixelated edge. It's commonly in the specific brand of moid artist whose media tabs are just line drawings of womens' bodies on grey backgrounds. It's so visually gross.
No. 1891031
>>1890396Why the hostile response kek. Anon probably just meant anthros in general and not the subsection of furries that draw YCH gangbangs or whatever.
>>1890335You literally answered yourself, your goal in color studies, and studies in general, is to learn what works and not just copy the entire thing mindlessly. You should probably read James Gurney's Color and Light to have some understanding the way light works to supplement your palettes.
No. 1891144
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>>1890353I don't know much about ovopack but from the art I've seen none of it seems to be creepy.
No. 1891160
>>1890353>>1891144Also it really sucks that furries have hijacked every anthropomorphic iteration of an animal and placed it under a furry umbrella. You can't say you find anthro-ised animals cute or neat in concept without a furry insisting that means you are one. They intentionally include everything under the sun in the furry umbrella just to make their degenerate community look better. Liking argonians doesn't make you a furry, nor does liking ancient Egyptian deities, nor liking Beatrix Potter. Beatrix didn't even have a concept of furries whenever she was making her cute animal art she was just making cute art for children. It doesn't compare to some degenerates fursona, which they draw erotica of in its feral form.
You can create/enjoy anthro animal art without it being "furry art" despite how much the furries insist otherwise, they are not one in the same.
No. 1891275
>>1891160Agree- I'm a fan of xenofiction, which is literature written from a non-human perspective (animal, alien, or even machine), and it's very difficult to talk about the genre without people assuming furry shit (to be fair a lot of them do like them). I just like it because it's an interesting writing/thought exercise and can explore ideas in a way that using a human pov might struggle with (plus it's interesting how it's historically helped animal welfare, such as with Black Beauty).
Furries try to claim everything innocuous related to animals/anthro characters because they want the halo effect of that positive thing to help obscure the more rotten parts of the community, or are just speds who think if they like something then it must relate directly to every other thing they like or centre their identity around.
No. 1891323
>>1891079same
nonny, finding references suck because most are so boring. I was thinking of dl sims 4 and seeing if i can build my own bgs with cc to study from.
No. 1891466
>>1891093Thanks! I was thinking of this, but could I get in trouble because I used a reference that doesn't belongs to me in a drawing?
>>1891323That's such a good idea kek
No. 1891476
>>1891393 inspired me to mention my own little personal lolcow so might as well go for it.
There's an artist I used to follow who's pretty well known in a gacha game fandom. She's no 100k follower behemoth but she sits at a comfortable 20k-30k (forgot the exact number) and has a fanbase to fall back on. Her art is fine. But to me she became a lolcow the day it got out that she got that following of hers by drawing some of the most decrepit coomer content imaginable, ranging from regular moid shit to disgusting fetishes like morbid obesity. She got a lot of followers but also got a ton of shit for it because her art clogged categories for certain characters so it was almost impossible to search for art of some of those characters without coming across at least one piece of hers featuring them looking like a landwhale getting mobraped.
But to be honest the part that annoyed me the most wasn't even her disgusting coomer art but rather her attitude because she's a strong contestant for the world's biggest humblebragger, to the point she often RT's those cringy ass vent posts of smaller artits lamenting that their art gets no attention when her doodles alone can rank up to 200 to 300 likes, only for her to say "guys ;w; i get so depressed when my art gets less than 200 likes i feel like i'm not good enough!!!!". She constantly goes on and on about how she wishes she was "truly skilled" and wants her art to "do well online" just to get some sympathy posts and pats on the back from her followers. Recently she has decided to throw her art style out of a window and just tries to copy Alfons Mucha's style and compositions instead but without studying any of his pieces, so the end result is a shitty looking bootleg.
She's not extremely milky, at least not in public, but I enjoyed seeing the fandom drama that surrounded her nonstop. I just wanted to finally get to talk about her because this shit has been going on for 5 years now and not stopping anytime soon.
No. 1891580
I feel like my rendering skills are so behind my drawing skills. I used to think they went hand in hand, but after seeing really good skilled artists with shit rendering skills and really skilled painters with shit anatomy skills i realized they are separate and one skill doesnt determine the other. I recently picked up rendering and i am so behind my rendermaxing friends kek god help me
>>1891466>That's such a good idea kekkek thanks anon. Now where do you learn how to make environments like this? i imagine it must be trial and error but i have 0 taste. Sometimes it makes me sad the sims is such a normie game because i am dying for building game with modern graphics.
No. 1892038
>>1892018Nta but that
nonnie is saying that she lives in some country where art is seen as a waste of time and is treated as such.
No. 1892056
>>1892026In his Manben, he explains all the backgrounds are photos he can take and then use photoshop to trace them. The problem is how to place the characters in the perspective so they don't look off.
In DeviantArt you can find free-for-copyright stock images so you can trace the backgrounds without problems.
No. 1892128
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This isn't an attack on this lady but I just can't see how getting no sales makes you want to quit an art community entirely.
It just seems unfathomable to me that your entire base in this community was on people finding your art important enough to buy. Not everyone has money. A lot of artist understand a majority of their following is people who will never buy from them. Especially ones who create artisan works that sell for high prices for a single piece. I think bjds would be included in this. It's a feat that she managed to get a full body resin doll of her own sculpt yet she's upset that others didn't want to buy it. The doll was priced at $600. That's not a small chunk of money. I think she set her dreams too high. She could've made a simpler doll set at a lower price. Hell theres some dude who sells dolls he didn't even sculpt himself and he gets buyers.
And to add onto this she only had around a 2,000 follower base, a 2,000 follower base and she set up a pre order for a $600 doll. And now she's leaving the community. She should just build a community showing off sculpts of her personal dolls. I'm sure eventually she would've gained a big enough following to obtain a buyer base and then could've tested the waters on a pre-order doll and got backers. She was aiming way too high, and fell on her ass and now she wants to quit. What a waste.
No. 1892134
>>1892128You made me remember this collector and how much she spends in BJD. I think 600$ for that doll, which will takes tons of time to repaint and all sounds a bit ambitious. Most of the BJD I have seen being sell as butter are ones with human skin tone, not one from the Eiffel 65's video music. Probably she should have aimed to doll re painters, not collectors, imo.
If she wants to get rid of that doll, at least do an auction?
No. 1892144
>>1892128What an unappealing doll mould, that elbow joint looks awful in particular. It looks like a shitty Zelf and Monster High hybrid.
Anyways I feel a little sorry for this lady but god I hate people who only go into hobbies for only money because you're not really doing it for the sake of the hobby itself, you're just trying to run a buisness competing against people who are more experinced than you and know what people in the scene want.
Anyways if she wants that doll taken out of her hands she should spray it all white and do an auction like
>>1892134 nona said.
No. 1892615
>>1891935I feel this on a deeply personal level, nona. I was born in a country that doesn't give a shit about art and that the only way to go up in the career is through literal nepotism or shameless bootlicking to the point you nearly have to sell out entirely. I studied in prestigious art schools, I don't mean to brag but I was at the top of my class, my had support from my family and friends and even teachers all my life- and even then I was still seen as lesser than my fellow highschool friends who chose to follow more "valued" careers. They were doctors, lawyers, engineers, IT workers, psychologists and I was just one more artist. I could see in people's eyes that they thought I was some poor delusional individual insisting on living a dream that has a dead end because art has no place in my country.
My work was still worth nothing in my own country, the pay was absolute garbage and I'd never be able to sustain myself financially be it freelance or with a stable art or design-related job. Many times I thought about changing careers entirely. The only reason I didn't give up was because I managed to move to a different country that does value art and where I can actually follow with my career.
Being and artist or designer born in and living in a country that doesn't value art as a career is one of the most depressing scenarios possible. Everyone and everything is against you and your success and you need to fight like a dog to get a crumb that other careers would reach much more easily. I hope you're able to move to a better place in the future, nona.
No. 1893053
>>1893046>>1893044she deleted some posts. there was more and all she could do was string cuss words together and insult them for being a "dumbass American". Also, she said for people to send her proof of the accusations when shit like
>>1873420 is on her twitter lmao
No. 1893065
>>1893053I love when those people always use the same deflecting methods, because it just shows how they're 100% aware of what they're doing but they're in denial. It's always the "dumb Americans" that "ruin artists' fun" and she even has the gall to ask for proof when the proof is her own art and therefore she'll never acknolwedge it even if it's thrown directly at her face.
>>1893058Lmao femgaze? The only femgaze is her own because no femgaze content has those disgusting Big Old Man With Little Coquette Girl dynamics. I wish she'd at least own up to her act and tag her art for what it is aka lolicon/dom daddy little girl fetish.
No. 1893254
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Is Tumblr even a good place to post or look at art anymore?I'm bored to hell with it.it's not like it use to be,it's dying really fast.barely any engagement with anyone.im thinking of moving to bluesky
No. 1893289
>>1893254I'm not a popular artist at all, but I get some engagement. However you wont make it far unless you draw trannies or fanarts (or both)
The only thing that's keeping my tumblr blog open is the regular commissioners I have
No. 1893515
>>1893490>AI shows up, people freak out, "oh shit it'll destroy the industry!", people eventually stop caring about it save for insecure artists, repeat.This never happened, nobody "stopped caring". It only got worse and people have been warning everyone about it for years. AI is an actual threat to multiple industries and their integrity, just think about the tinfoils about Disney's newest movie Wish being written by AI. Nobody can prove otherwise and if they could pull it off, what's stopping other studios doing the same? In the worst case scenario big media conglomerates will be able to drop hours and hours of slop to push anyone who's actually doing something by hand off the market and ultimately entire jobs will start disappearing completely. It'll be used to replace humans doing creative things, not the tedious and time consuming tasks that could be automated for machines because art has no value to these people.
And not only the industry side of it, it's already being used to create political unrest and traumatize women with deepfakes that are getting better and better at a staggering speed. People saying that "AI will be nothing more than a funny toy" are dangerously optimistic about the outcome and probably won't realize the full effect until it hits them personally like all those retarded techbros shitting their pants over their prompts being "stolen", legislation regarding AI art should be strict and preventative instead of the slow moving reactionary maneuvers being done now.
No. 1893764
>>1892168Based.
Plus the doll is fucking ugly for the price. You could get a monster high with cat hears and that would be way more cheaper to customize.
No. 1894041
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Why don't americans give a shit about their artists? It's insane that every single generic moeshitter artist in japan gets an artbook but the only Dean Cornwell artbook was extremely limited and now its 300usd on ebay. So many of my favourite artists are American(personally they are the best artists) but so few have artbooks or high quality scans, or even small biographies remembering them. It's so sad, it's hard being an Americanboo because it feels like I care more about American culture than actual Americans.
No. 1894043
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>>1894041a bit of a vent but it makes me angry that if i search albert beck on google all the pages are about some faggot therapist no one gives a shit about
No. 1894129
>>1893858If you're on digital
>draw image up to the hands>take phone picture of your hands in correct position, angle, and perspective (go far from the camera if it's too warped)>slap photo into layer>trace hand into line workAnd if it's drawing on paper
>take phone image>put phone at max bright>trace lightly the outline of the hands (becasue touching the phone will move the image)And then be mad that it still looks funky and there's no way to make it better somehow…
No. 1894130
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>>1893858Draw them a lot. Follow some of the simpler tutorials you can find by googling or looking on pinterest to get a feel for it, then do some photo studies or check out Hogarth. Fill a few pages with hands, use the timed mode from line of action if you want. Pick your favorite manga or comic artist and study how they do it, just try to redraw their hands and then attempt to draw them on your own in a similar way
No. 1894203
>>1894143I'm new to tabling, but I have connected a lot with more seasoned artists. From their experiences and looking up things, it has def gotten much more competitive because:
>A lot of people took up art over the pandemic>AI/Art Thievery not getting checked well or at all>Certain regions are extremely hard to get in over locals (Cali, Texas, Florida)>Saturation of similar/flavor of the month characters and series due to trend hopping (ex. Vtubers, Genshin, JJK, Spy Family, etc)>Tables are ridiculously expensive, as is honestly everything>People not staying in their lanes (ex. Genshit stuff seeping into gaming tournaments, anime in comic cons, etc)So, a lot of factors at play. Really wishing I could've jumped in like a decade ago
No. 1894220
>>1894041There's this one American artist that became like a weird meme in the art community with everyone rushing to study from him. He's really good but that's about it.
Yeah you're right it's actually weird.
No. 1894451
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>>1893858I'm not good at hands but if you understand the gesture of them then you don't have to worry as much about the details. Unless you are creating a very realistic piece. But I also tend to struggle with proportioning them correctly and end up oversizing them so that my figures look like starter imvu avatars. You should try hand gesture studies to help make them look more fluid and natural.
>>1894060Me too. I also struggle with clothing because I draw bodies and then clothes over them, and most times I'm so proud of the figure I drew I don't want to cover it up with clothes. I'm my worst enemy.
No. 1894572
>>1894220>>1894234Loomis, most likely.
>>1894041The older Dean Cornwell book is hard to get, but the newer one by Illustrated Press has good quality repros in it and goes for $45 retail. Also maybe you're having a difficult time finding shit for him because you're leaving off his last name.
https://www.artnet.com/artists/albert-beck-wenzell/ No. 1894746
>>1893254I got used to it so much I cannot concentrate to make other accounts on other platforms, I only search the favourite characters fanart and don't click "for you" tab and trends, just dropping art and reblog some husbandos with rambling.
I fear Twitter, I think I don't have enough skill to post into more 'official like' platform. I am considering to make acc on DeviantArt.
No. 1894873
>>1894572oh my god i had no idea there was a new one thank you
nonny!!!
No. 1894920
>>1894041You probably need to use narrower definitions to find the art you’re looking for, like lowbrow, advertising illustration, magazine/fashion/editorial illustration. There are and were tons of different styles of art used in America. Museums in the US usually sell books related to artists, like the National Museum of American Illustrators in Rhode Island and the Yale New Haven Art Museum.
I do get your frustration though, I tried requesting an instructional drawing book that was published by a traditional art school’s founder, it’s been out of print forever and was supposedly only available in Penn State’s library and my uni library couldn’t get it from them.
No. 1895203
>>1893515imagine caring about disney in 2023. i hope they do start using ai for everything, that company has been creatively dead since forever. seek out better media. also
>Nobody can prove otherwise and if they could pull it off, what's stopping other studios doing the same? Icreative integrity. if it's some massive corpo then you should assume they lack that kek
>In the worst case scenario big media conglomerates will be able to drop hours and hours of slop to push anyone who's actually doing something by hand off the market and ultimately entire jobs will start disappearing completely.live musicians weren't made obsolete by synth music, paper mail is still a thing despite emails being way more convenient, all important conversations generally take place in person or over the phone despite text messaging being a thing, horses were not slaughtered in droves because we all started using cars, etc. stop being scared of new tech
>It'll be used to replace humans doing creative thingssee the above
>traumatize women with deepfakes this is the only bad part of your post. then again men have been removing women's clothes in photoshop and copy-pasting their faces over porn clips and imagining them in disgusting ways since the dawn of time so i dunno
No. 1895208
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i just started drawing (seriously) this year and fabric's kicking my ass. i feel too brainlet for morpho. and while i'm here:
>post your work
>how long have you been studying art
>what tools/books/etc. have been useful to you while learning
>do you have any tips?
No. 1895241
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fuck nonnies i just want to be good at rendering. Drawing while sucking at rendering makes making art so incredibly difficult and kinda boring. I wish i could understand rendering, it's driving me crazy.
No. 1895250
>>1895230>all technological innovations are good!didn't say that. i gave those examples to show nobody is going to lose their livelihoods because of ai shit. if they do, then to be very fucking honest, they weren't worth anything anyway – their "creative output" was essentially on par with ai generations. see the difference between your average cute girl/tumblrshit queerio artist and someone like, yoh yoshinari. one can be replaced and exists in spades, one is an industry legend
>we can, so we should!didn't say that
>who cares about people losing their jobsnobody has except the shitters (and even then: i'm not quite sure)
>and quality of media going down you can't blame ai for this, it's been going on for decades
>and misinformation running rampanthas always happened
>“progress” above everything! not what i said
tl;dr learn how to read
No. 1895254
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>>1895250take yoshinari's name out of your filthy mouth, AItard.
No. 1895278
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>>1895276You can actually see how photography affected art. You dont see art in magazine covers/advertisement anymore. Anon needs to open a history book.
No. 1895287
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>>1895257>nta every artist can be easily replaced by AIas someone who regularly plays around with stable diffusion, bing, nai v3, and other image gen tools, and has
also trained multiple loras: this is just incorrect. the shittier the artist the easier they are to replace. the better, the harder. there is NO imagegen tool currently out that can replicate picrel on any level that matters, and i know this because i've tried. it's just too complicated for the ""ai"" (these tools aren't actually intelligent btw, they can't actually think) to grasp. someone like dross? absolutely.
>>1895278there's nothing special about drawing a 1:1 to something that exists…this kind of proves my point, why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a picture. with ai art: why pay someone to draw you an uninspired image of an anime girl on a white background when you could get it for ten seconds, for free? there were also discussions on (hyper) realism earlier in the thread
>>1889916 No. 1895307
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>>1895287>why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a pictureOh my god anon, you're so right you know. It's not as if artists doing advertising actually contributed to art history (specifically American art) and it looks much more appealing than a photo of a product in a white void covered in text. I wish I was as cynical as you, anon.
Also, did you not read what the first nona you replied to said?
No. 1895308
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>>1895291it being 'boring' isn't even the point tbh…the point is that it's
replaceable. easily replaceable. you can't actually go out and photograph a witch in a bathtub full of blood (naturally, anyway), but everyone can photograph a house, hence why photographs are used in magazines. most artists can't render or draw at huang's skill level. like, i doubt you or this
>>1895297 anon can kek.
ai can't either – picrel is something from naiv3, widely considered to be
the best thing out right now for replicating styles. this is what decades of research and effort have led to – and even the leaps we've seen (and are seeing) in the field now are less "programmers are writing better code and the software's improving" and more "we finally have the hardware to run the software." but anyway: you see it's unable to grasp huang's work.
and i do respect artists…the good ones. i don't care about grifters who realize they're no longer able to push slop because these tools output content roughly on their level.
No. 1895332
>>1895331oh my abd it is AI, i see not difference between
>>1895308 and
>>1895287 to be honest, both are over-rendered turds and pretty boring to look at. You can definetly do the bathtub witch thing with AI if you are willing to use photoshop. It's not really that unique.
No. 1895357
>>1895343nta but doing something like that with AI is possible. I have played with AI and if you are willing to expend 20 minutes photoshopping you can do something that looks exactly like that
>dl 3d program and make 3d background>run it through img2img>boom you get the background>use 3d program to quickly model the witch girl >run it through img2img>boom girl is done>do the same for the moid>photoshop it all together on ps>presto you have generic animu painting n2514525people dont talk enough about img2img but it would surprise me if a lot of people were using it because its insane the amount of stuff you can do with it in comparison to normal text to img AI.
No. 1895414
>>1895287>why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a pictureKek it’s a beautifully stylized drawing of a scene, and this is what the AIfag has to say, as they proceed to post a picture of an anime girl sitting in a bloody bathtub as “unreplicatable genius”
They really love being walking stereotypes kek
No. 1895622
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>>1895287Tell me you did not just say that about still life works. A human rendering of a still life image will always be more charming and imaginative than a photograph. This is no hate to photography but humans paint what they perceive, not what is there.
No. 1895626
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Who are some good creature artists ?
No. 1895743
>>1895633idk about 20 minutes to get the gist of it and then improve as I went and studied. Folds and drapery are mostly about tension points and direction, as well as how much and what kind of material is present. Don't overthink it anon, just use plenty of references and do breakdowns of the folds you see and analyse why they're formed the way they are. A lot of artists also use shortcuts and generic folds/drapery as well, since you mostly just need character art to look convincing rather than accurate/a full 2D fabric sim kek. You'll get there.
(for context as well I started as an animal/creature artist and had learned a lot of the basics of folds and 'drapery' intuitively while doing that, so it wasn't so hard when I switched over to drawing human characters in all their clothed glory. everyone learns at different paces and has different art backgrounds that can help or hinder them at different tasks, so don't stress if clothing feels like arcane bullshit while you're learning)
No. 1896144
>>1895257>nta every artist can be easily replaced by AiMy "Norman Rockwell" generations from Stable diffusion still look like yassified beady eyed airbrushed pixar sludge from its inception but okay, tech illiterate corporate shill. Anime shit was already inbred and identical with same face, I'll be glad when it's completely made redundant by its own consoomers. My ultimate hope is that anime and manga art will have some semblance of individualism to it's fucking characters and even premises after twenty years of absolutely near none save for a few somewhat distinct artists.
>>1895308Your thought process appears to be mentally retarded. Anyone can't photograph a animu in a bathtub, yeah because animus don't exist irl weeb but guess what? they do on the fucking internet in abundance and are scraped regularly. Unlike distinct artists works being stolen I say good riddance to generic samey anime sameface art like the shit you've posted. Millions of hentai will be scalped and scraped in the dataset to remake the dog shit you posted.
Good stylized realism is rare for the reason you claim your not like the other animus anime isn't; next to no one's good at stylized realism. Recreations of Rockwell are Disney, Pixar sanitized, yassified catastrophes. AI models will never create a decent Norman Rockwell because artists can't even do the same in order for AI models to scalp and reproduce. As for your anime shit kek, I think you yourself know how easily that will be recreated.
No. 1896171
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I saw my old oc art and painfully thought I wouldn't have given a shit about them if old me was another artist, I still draw them, in fact working on a project for them but I have always been judgmental with how unappealing a lot of oc characters look. I guess that was why I wasn't popular kek.
>>1895208My only tip is to actually have fun and work on dorky ocs or fan art too, to apply things you learned.
No. 1896195
>>1896171I'm a bit jealous of people who are passionate with their ocs, I couldn't make consistent ones and even scared to draw my self-inserts so yume wasn't an option for me. For some reason I love one note characters who don't even have any confirmed appearance to make stories with side and main characters. Closest to OCs would be making family members of canon characters. Ugh.
Sage for salt.
No. 1896294
>>1896171NTA
All I draw is oc bullshit, because I love it and people are starting to love them too, I am just really stubborn about my characters and the comic they're in I'm making, because fanart bores me to fucking tears.
No. 1896517
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her colors look better but damn.. now it just looks like that alegria corporate artstyle. nitpick but the tangents bother me a bit
No. 1896537
>>1896517There's absolutely no way. You're sure the right is the newest one? It looks awful, like you said those tangents make the piece (especially the legs, wtf is going on there KEK) so unappealing and the entire thing has zero depth in a way that looks weirdly accidental, especially considering how well the left does it.
Also, can you even consider that a study? Assuming it's from a real reference, I feel like you wouldn't learn anything 'studying' in the style on the right.
No. 1896773
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>>1862923Jesus Christ that Madotsuki one is so bad. I had to fix it or it would have given me nightmares. Mado phone home
No. 1896811
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>>1896773Your edit is not good, sorry. You inspired me to do my own.
No. 1896843
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>>1896838yurucamp, her old flesh, blood and concrete work was her pinacle in terms of art
No. 1896848
>>1896831>norman rockwell>leyendecker>dean cornwell>Udo Keppler>maed schaffer>Charles Dana Gibson>Samuel Ehrharthere is my artvee account:
https://artvee.com/members/randon/following/ I dont know if any other nonna uses artvee but i would be super into exchanging accounts. I would love to see nonnies fav artists and collections.
No. 1896884
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how many of you use screen tablets versus regular tablets? i’m thinking of switching to a screen tablet but imo it’s kinda expensive and i feel like i draw just fine with the regular one i’ve been using for years. anyone who upgraded did you notice a change in your art and productivity?
No. 1896991
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>>1896985one of my favourite artists has some of the ''better'' ocs and i still struggle to care about them. I dont know, they feel too 'personal' in my opinion. Is it possible to genuinely care about others oc? or do people just pretend to like them to get art back and be part of a community.
No. 1897012
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>>1896991AYRT, I personally do like some ocs (picrel being one, even though the creator is a personal cow) but it's very dependent on the quality of the available writing, if the concepts explored in that are new or uncommon, and if the person making the art is doing more than putting them in a patterned/colour void background (i.e animation, games, comics, full illustrative pieces) and general quality of
those. Characters that are just fanfic tropes or overly gendie bore me, no matter the quality of the art and I hate seeing the same four or five things being explored in horror ocs (it's either FNaF inspired, traumacore inspired or slasher inspired these days and it's such a big turn off for me)
No. 1897054
File: 1708576978438.png (1.3 MB, 603x1544, miku.png)
>>1896884I use a regular table because I don't like certain features in digital art, so I prefer to do it traditionally and then retouch it. With a screen tablet I feel I'm not going to use it fully, but if you do all your work in a tablet, I say buy a screen tablet.
Picrel: when the AI art "draw" better than the artist.
No. 1897062
>>18970541. different art styles
2. ai miku has baby hands and also the lighting is awful and her hair is beyond fucked and her headphoes don't make sense
No. 1897076
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>>1896985In my end it's just angsty BL I do not give a shit about.
>>1896195The word "self-insert" really ruined so much drive for creativity.
No. 1897077
>>1897065Same. At least in the description of his profile he admits that is AI art. And like
>>1894764 mentioned with DA, Pixiv is also getting tons of AI art, but at least they're tagged as such.
No. 1897090
>>1895899Well that makes me think she could be so defensive for ai for a reason she won’t admit kek.
>>1896985There’s was always someone trying to sneak in their porny OC into a SFW artist space. As if there’s not already a million places someone can post their furry bara or bimbo goth girl. Thank god i’m not a fucking furry.