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No. 1860288

Previous: >>1830393
Discuss art and related topics such as:

-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art

SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!

Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn
https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon

>useful youtube channels

https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454
https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2
>where to find art
https://www.wikiart.org/es
https://artvee.com/
>other useful sites
https://film-grab.com/
https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing
https://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheel
painting :the antique hunter by Norman Rockwell
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.also check e-hentai

No. 1860342

Really basic question but how does one not get discouraged by someone else drawing something you were planning on drawing before you get the chance? At least I plan on making it in a different style but the concept will be the same…

No. 1860358

>>1860342
Remeber that noone gives a fuck as much as you. Execution is everything and if you have to cling to 'muh idea' rather than draw it you weren't that serious about it in the first place.

No. 1860373

>>1860342
"How" you do something is more important that the "what".

Ex. Evangelion and Voltron are two shows avout kids piloting giant mechas but no one would seriously confuse the two as the same thing.

Ideas are honestly bot a big deal. Creativity is in the process, anyone can have ideas and most ideas by themselves are really not that novel anyways. Very creative and incredible things turn out to be really mubdane or simple when you reduce them to the basic idea.

No. 1860448

Previous thread -
>>1859402
Good luck anon. I have the same goal but most covers in the industry are updating and going away from illustration to graphic design or flat art or stills from the tv/movie adaption. I think there are some markets but they’re niche. In YA you get Bowater knockoffs and SF/F you get great illustrators if you’re Sanderson but even his books are getting an “upgrade”. Your best bet is to get an in with an author.

>>1859824
I missed blue lady, is there a thread on it?

No. 1860467

>>1860215
I’m the same way, I’ve only used Medibang because I get too intimidated by more complicated programs, and by tutorials that tell you to use a bajillion layers with each and every setting possible. I feel like I’m failing somehow or not a good digital artist if I’m not using every tool possible in a program. I want to get better at digital so badly but I’m too comfortable with the simplicity of pen and pencil kek, it’s just so straightforward.

No. 1860475

>>1860467
>and by tutorials that tell you to use a bajillion layers with each
Thats retarded

No. 1860553

>>1860342
Just go ahead and draw what you wanted to draw. You can always say you didn't see the other piece in case someone tries to say you copied

No. 1860631

Anyone else struggles to keep a consistent style? I jump from realistic anatomically correct humans to moeblobs weekly.

No. 1860635

>>1860631
I wouldn’t worry about it, just practice and draw what you enjoy. Your style comes with practice

No. 1860663

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>>1858874
Reminds me of this Kojima type artist I follow, this subject matter is honestly a dime a dozen and you like what you like but you can more clearly see what's going on in this one

No. 1860668

Is 5787 × 8185 pixel resolution too large for an illustration of a character just standing with a very simple background?

No. 1860670

>>1860663
iI love how that artist draws faces and hair, too bad she only uses instagram so i cant see or dl her art. Fuck insta.

No. 1860688

>>1860670
It's a man

No. 1860689

>>1860688
oh what a shame, still nice style

No. 1860690

>>1860663
What's with the kojima this kojima that going on? Is it just some sarcasm going over my head? Yamamoto, Amano, the other artist I forgot the name of, they all only resemble kojima in a pretty broad manner. Amano and the artist I forgot the name of actually have similarities between each other and it'd be easier to mix up Yamamoto with Suehiro Maruo, which also doesn't resemble Kojima.

No. 1860769

>>1860690
I also don’t get it. They’re similar in subject matter but tonality, style and execution are very different between them. Yamamoto/Masuhiro have a clean graphical style with Yamamoto clearly drawing inspiration from woodcuts, it looks printed. Amano is dreamlike and loose, there’s something very ornamental about them, almost like fashion illustration. Kojima is a lot more realistic and structured, there’s a clear source of light and shadow. Yes they all broadly have the same motifs, flowers/vampires/night, but I don’t see how you could confuse one for the other. I also find it weird how people are posting them as if you can only like one variation on a theme and they cancel each other out or something.

No. 1861108

>>1860668
In my opinion yes. Why do you want that size?

No. 1861122

>>1860690
Anon's just mocking that one other anon criticizing the art without really knowing what she was talking about. She said it was like Kojima but Bani-chan (the twink piece artist, also the animator of The Greatest Living Show, kek at the anon dragging her art while comparing it to another one of her pieces) is clearly inspired by Amano instead. Takato Yamamoto is obviously a well-established artist and not really a clone of anyone else, the subject matter may be similar but the style is nothing like Kojima's.
If anon is serious then this thread is filled with retards.

No. 1861138

>>1861122
Is it surprising that this thread is filled with underages who act smug and don't know what they're talking about? Supposedly the vague mass of uncool artists known as "the west" is OBSESSED with Renaissance artists… when last time I checked it's mostly Japanese and Chinese artists who drool over the Renaissance.

No. 1861234

>>1861122
You don't keep repeating yourself as much as anon did unless you believed it. All bitch and no think, a dangerous combination.(infighting)

No. 1861583

>>1861138
It wasn't like this last year.

No. 1861644

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I don't understand how this artist has over 100k followers on Twitter. I know art is subjective, but it looks like all of their pieces took a total of 10 minutes to make.

No. 1861663

>>1861644
Memey/trendy subject matter + cute and simple art style

No. 1861665

>>1861644
terminal lack of taste

No. 1861680

>>1860689
I forgot their username but there’s an artist on tumblr that 100% skinwalks his style

No. 1861746

I am so tired of japanese artists deactivating. I gotta check on them every single week otherwise POOF they are gone.

No. 1861825

>>1861746
Make sure they are actually deleting and not just changing their username. I have seen this happen a lot.

No. 1861843

>>1861825
wait, how do you know if it's the latter? thankfully the one i am talking about is mildly popular so her art gets archived on boorus, but sadly all the links lead me to a deleted page.

No. 1861916

>>1861644
do you really think moids care about quality?
>be moid
>see le cute/sexy animu gurl
>oooohhhh i'm gonna coooom
>like and follow
>repeat

and of course there are also the troons that project themselves onto the drawing and say shit like "omg literally meee I'm a cute animu gurl"

No. 1862008

>>1861843
NTA but I usually type their name on google & usually at least 1 result is someone replying to them. Just click on the "Replying to @name" and it will sent you to their new name

No. 1862036

>>1861916
>>1861644
Yeah art like this is just slop basically. It’s easy to make, easy to consume, easy to understand. The simplicity in every aspect works in its favor.

No. 1862041

>>1861644
Retards with no taste and possibly bots because lots of hack pay Meta for their content to be promoted

Social media in general favors no-effort no-thought content like this that is just coom and/or trendy

No. 1862055

>>1861644
haven't tried to look up the artist, but my guess is that, if they just churn out pics like this, then they're probably consistent (both in regularly posting and in image content), which goes a long way for growing and maintaining an audience. I don't like anything much about your picrel, but I can tell there's a broad audience for its aesthetic and traits. It might suck to hear, but a lot of people (especially non-art ones) just want to see artists regularly post consistent work that appeals to their tastes pop up on their timelines, even if it's technically pretty mid or basic

No. 1862069

>>1860690
>>1860769
No one knows what a scene is anymore. To be fair there's not many ressources on Japanese art scenes.

Yamamoto is affiliated that "eastern goth"/eroguro revival scene (angura ? I don't know how to call it) that was spawned in the 80s by Maruo & co. which is now usually lumped together with the rest of Japanese pop surrealism. Amano is not related to this scene as far as I know, and has more to do with fantasy artists. The only common ancestor they have is a few pieces of litterature at best. It's the same thing as comparing very different fashion subcultures together just because they're all edgy. More than one scene can use the same subject matter and concept, not everything that has a vampire on it is goth.

Bani is just apart of this group of people who like Dark Souls and Amano. On a side note I always wondered if she's just a little strange, or is she some sort of ana-chan weirdo like classicnymph ?

No. 1862097

>>1861663
Trendy subject matter? All they draw is this same oc of theirs. Plus, cute where?

No. 1862117

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>>1862097
it looks exactly like your average e-thot, he is probably badly copying a literal photo of a popular twitch titty streamer with OFs and putting anime faces on them.

Its just a copy of something else retarded zoomoids are trained to react to. Trend follow trend

No. 1862142

Anons I'm so fucking bad at proportions holy shit. I know how to draw a normally proportioned human but for my art I want slightly more taller/longer humans but I always struggle with the head to body ratio.

No. 1862158

>>1862142
Can you be a bit more specific/give an example of your problem or your goal for proportions?

In general though, as long as a given style doesn't break too many obvious proportional rules and is consistent in its own rules for body structure, it tends to look fine, imo.

No. 1862230

>>1862142
Find an artist that draws with similar proportions and do master studies

No. 1862248

>>1862142
go back to perspective. When you do enough live drawing you get used to eyeing things a lot but then when proportions and style change you realize you haven't been measuring and things look inconsistent.

No. 1862264

>>1860663
I don't mean to sound like a sperg but learning one artist with a certain style doesn't mean that every other artist you deem similar is aping.

Your pic rel is Takato Yamamoto, known for his eroguro works, born in 1960, very well known. He happens to have an Instagram, but he's not new at all.

Ayami Kojima is self taught, we know what she worked on (many things, most notably Castlevania in 1997).

Yoshitaka Amano is the oldest of the three, was doing studio work in the late 60s before going freelance and developing his style. He's a fine artist, does gallery work and is extremely, extremely prolific. His Final fantasy work is most well known but his personal work and paintings for almost every other series are so much more impressive. The dates aren't to be a sperg just to show some time flow. Kojima is actually the youngest of the 3 that keep getting posted.

Not to rant but seeing nonas sperg about "Kojima clones" as if artists that are decades older than her or online artists who are clearly influenced by other artists relate to her at all is irritating.

>>1860690
>>1861122
>>1862069
Might not have tagged everyone but thank you for actually having a brain. I don't know where this "Kojima" shit is coming from. She's one of my favorite artists but she's basically unrelated to these others.

No. 1862276

>>1861644
cute colors, popular style/subject matter (kawaii pseudo-anime character with cat ears in egirl clothes), consistent posting, and interesting composition. many "technically" better artists have a huge issue with composition imo. at least in this piece, they made good use of the white space

No. 1862278

>>1862158
Hm maybe something like Amano or even the twink drawing from last thread since we were talking about that kek. Something that looks graceful and elegant, with maybe the torso and limbs just a little longer than usual. I don't have too much issue with stylizing bodies but when it comes to drawing the head it's always either too small or too big.

No. 1862281

>>1862276
>good use of white space
lmfao the stupid ugly tail breaks all the flow it could have and makes it really cramped and weird. It's only merit if having pastel colors so aesthetic cutecore pickmes can rt it and look pretty on their feeds.

No. 1862358

>>1862264
Yeah, you can really tell some people ITT only know about certain artists because of fandom shit on twitter, kek.

No. 1862452

>>1862281
>so aesthetic cutecore pickmes can rt it and look pretty on their feeds
Yes, that is the appeal of it and why the artist is popular. If you also start to make art that those girls can comment "omg literally me!!" under or use for their icons you will get the same engagement. Most artists draw only what they like or what other artists like, if you want a really big following you need to find something that you but also a broad majority of people can enjoy. That's why generic cute art and fanart or memeslop of any quality can get big numbers

No. 1862491

>>1862264
Twinkposter here, I’m glad I posted it and she sperged out because it generated some really good discussion

No. 1862494

>>1862264
I only said it looked like amano/kojima because she used it as an example of super original art, and i just told her that artist was yet another copy of a more popular artist. I just found it funny her best example of ''original'' art was a very mediocre copy of a popular artist.

No. 1862501

>>1862452
yeah, in 04119__snail case he is straight up producing ideas for of girls now. it's kinda genius tbh, they support him and provide him publicity, he gets publicity through them… the perfect mutualistic relationship. though the odd thing is that he was big before drawing coom art as well and didn't really need to, he truly is a degen i guess

No. 1862504

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>>1862504
i really hate this era

No. 1862516

>>1862504
I hate this so much.

No. 1862533

>>1862494
I posted it as an example of something I liked. And everything in art is influenced by something else, there’s nothing new under the sun.

No. 1862539

>>1862533
then post something more original than femboy vampire that's heavily inspired by a super popular artist kek

No. 1862545

>>1862504
who is the middle girl? she's so cute

No. 1862548

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>>1862494
But it didn't look like Kojima

No. 1862553

>>1862548
i just got her confused with amano calm down

No. 1862554

>>1862545
generic filtered thot n500 enjoy your fap session, moid

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No. 1862565

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Does anyone know where to get some procreate brushes for this type of sketchy, grainy lineart?the brushes don't have to be free

No. 1862567

>>1862565
It looks like the G-Pen from Clip Studio Paint.

No. 1862570

>>1862565
what a fucking ugly style its like the butt baby of adventure time and SU.

No. 1862618

>>1862553
I hate to ride your coattails about this but they're fairly dissimilar aside from very mysterious subject matter and both having worked on games, both being Japanese.

I think nonas just have a problem with the insistent "eh, they're similar! I mixed them up!" When they're..not. I'm being pedantic, sorry but it's bugging me. The art posted in the other thread was so deeply Amano inspired that it's almost painful to see that misattributed.

No. 1862620

Can nonnies recommend any artists like Kojima, Yamamoto, etc? I also really like Leyendecker's work too. I wanna find some beautiful styles and art to study and get inspiration from.

No. 1862623

>>1862618
i know they are different i just got their names confused, calm down sperg

No. 1862625

>>1862620
open pinterest

No. 1862631

>>1860182
Won't post a ton of detail since it's not directly art related so I don't know it's appropriate to discuss it here, but just wanted to give you nonna an update because major development: she just broke up with him + calling him abusive + saying that she will keep the money from the fund me campaign she had made to buy him a bicycle for herself to move out (the campaign had gotten about $100 over the goal)
just wanna add some extra context that less than a week ago she was posting how one of the reasons she didn't want to move back to her parents' was because they would tell her to drop her "deadbeat" (she used the scare quotes) boyfriend kek also now she's saying her boyfriend just sits around and refuses to work even tho she was beefing with the random facebook woman the other day over him

No. 1862639

>>1862539
The post literally said ‘post something you like’ not ‘post what you think is super original’ so you’re literally just putting words in my mouth.

No. 1862654

>>1862639
yeah, because i wanted to see what was the super original totally not generic art you liked, and it turns out it's a copy of an another artist and with a super simple generic composition

No. 1862709

>>1862654
NTA but god forbid someone like art vampire twinks on lolcow. farms, especially by an artist who can animate beautifully.

No. 1862713

>>1862709
you are free to like your femboys i just expected something good and original out of someone who was shitting on an artist for being ''generic''

No. 1862718

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>>1859814
What the literal fuck are you talking about stiff anatomy? Do you not see the lower half of the anime boys body? His tiny underdeveloped legs are fucking glued together. Looks pretty damn stiff to me.
I'm not redlinechan by the way.
And before you start spewing your verbal diarrhea about composition and style, I do think the drawing looks nice, and I do like stylistic art that forgoes realistic anatomy for a more stylized look. Doesn't change the fact that the artist fucked up the dudes legs.

No. 1862724

>>1862718
that looks nice but it doesnt have a tranny femboy with stockings in the process of transmitting aids so its automatically generic

No. 1862727

Why are the furries still malding about this here? It's over.

No. 1862788

>>1862631
Doesn't it amaze anyone else that so many artists online would rather beg for money to death than take AND FINISH (because a lot of them take like 25 commissions and do 4 of them KEK) Is it really so hard to be consistent with the thing you're supposed to be working at?
All that "i'm my own boss!1!" "i couldn't work a 9-5" "i can organize myself and it's so much more productive" for nothing, they're also shit as freelancers

No. 1862791

Nonas with long term art block, how did you get over it? I know for me a lot of it is no longer having my online audience, plus the idea of having to learn the algorithm/culture of whatever platform I join. I'm frustrated too because it feels like I'm relearning skills that used to be instinctual, like posing and composition. Idk it's just not as rewarding as it was in the past and I don't have the same spark for it.

No. 1862816

>>1862791
Stop using social media and all internet altogether unless necessary. Seek inspiration visually. The only aid you should have if you want to create is music, TV for white noise I guess if needed. But stop going online for awhile.

No. 1862923

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while it's not bad art there is just something that infuriates me about this person's art style. the way they draw faces is sooo heinous to me and all social medias keep throwing it in my face. i can't stand looking at it to the point i had to block them from everywhere.

No. 1862935

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>>1862923
I think it’s that they all have the same expressions and Stewie face shape, IMO the expression sticks out more on the Miku and Kobeni since since they’re characters I seen drawn with expressions.

No. 1862942

>>1862935
lol that's the perfect comparison

No. 1862943

>>1862923
Shinji Ikari if he started cosplaying instead of piloting the eva

No. 1862959

>>1862923
they look like they are all "special kids"

No. 1862963

>>1862631
Kek I'm happy she dumped him, maybe the stuff that facebook lady said about how easy it should be to get a job got to her after all. I hope she's not the type to get into relationships just because she's lonely and that she figures her situation out first now that she doesn't have to pay for him anymore

>>1862788
Well, depending on what their current issue is it makes sense they wouldn't have the time to work, especially if they need a big amount of money. But a lot of artists do see it as a hobby and something that's not very serious

No. 1862987

>>1862923
wait is this the artist of that russian rpg game? flesh blood and concrete , the artstyle is way too familiar

No. 1863004

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>>1862987
apparently yes. i didn't know, their art look sm better with expressions i'm surprised

No. 1863016

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>>1862923
its kind of strange shes suffering from sameface syndrome since her old art shows shes able to draw different face types?(even realistic) her landscape paintings are gorgeous though

No. 1863020

yeah, she sure is a good artist no doubt about that. it's just she chooses to draw characters in a hideous way, maybe she is stuck with it because she got popular with it somehow

No. 1863052

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>>1860218
>i know i'd get called a pedo panderer and such
you need to be a serious person! this wouldn't occur to somebody outside of this tiny sphere of the internet. pedophiles are attracted to any depiction of children regardless of the media. know that victorian pedos weren't any less disgusting about the sweet depictions of childhood from that era, but that doesn't affect the way a healthy person sees it.

immerse yourself in what inspires you, celebrate innocence and sweetness, and don't let pedo freaks nor the freaks on this website drag you down with sick thought processes.

No. 1863205

anyone have any recommendation for Chrome extensions for downloading twitter pictures?
there was a really great one for Firefox but it got fucked up after twitter made changes

No. 1863212

>>1863052
Quitting to depict kids in art has to be the pinnacle of sexualizing kids since it's treating them like a taboo subject

No. 1863226

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Recently, a Korean artist who draws art of butch lesbians became popular on Twitter. So ofc, trannies dug out her old tweets where she had rightfully expressed her anger about women getting assaulted by troons and forced her to issue an apology for it.

No. 1863228

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>>1863226
Sad how she is giving out individual apologies to every other tranny who is dogpiling on her.

No. 1863232

>>1862554
not a moid just a lesbian that enjoys dark hair?

also i like that she doesnt shoop her stubble into a blur

No. 1863255

>>1863226
holy shit i hate trannies and tranny loving retards. the artist seems so sweet and loves to engage w her followers, of course those degenerates would use it to their advantage to browbeat actual lesbians "back in line" over fucking male sexual violence. i hope the artist doesnt take it seriously but knowing gendies they wont relent until she draws digusting TIMs into her art. i know 41% is a fake stat but it should be real and higher

No. 1863273

>>1863226
It's shit like this is why I'm seriously considering creating a different account just for my art and fandom shit. Because, I don't want psycho troons, handmaidens and wokebros digging into my account for past gc/gc-adjacent comments or even going through my fucking likes to try and ruin me if my art ever trends. They never let a person post art in piece and ALWAYS try to ruin careers, especially if you are female. FFS, they are so fucking annoying.

No. 1863290

>>1863273
Making your career revolve around retarded social media apps is a big mistake. Artists didn't listen then and don't listen now even when all they post is feeding a machine learning algoritm.

As long as artists don't wake up they will keep shooting their own foots.

No. 1863299

>>1863226
This is such deranged behaviour. That person found her butch artwork and must have immediately felt "bad vibes" as zoomies say and decided to obsessively comb through and translate all her tweets. I'm sure finding these was like early christmas kek this is so pathetic

>>1863273
Yeah, if you need social media as an artist you have to make a very impersonal one and keep your other usernames hidden so no one will make the connection. It's best not to interact with anyone either, you can never know what following or replying to the wrong person could lead to.

No. 1863336

>>1863273
i would just recommend having a side alt account to vent about troons or hiding it under a cover of irony even if you get called out just pretend not to see it or more better act like you are non binary!!1 and this is totes abuse!! , zoomers have a memory of a bird so they will soon move on to a more popular target speaking from experience never show your true feelings on ANYTHING do not back down from fear because thats what they want, be like the giga Stacey russian who stood against a tif and won

No. 1863343

>>1863336
Just quit social media. It doesn't matter how based you think you are you are only a rat in a maze. Every excuse to stay there feeding the machine learning and getting addicted to outrage is just fedding Muskrat's game.

There is no art in social media, there is only content. Zoomers may be too far gone to realize this.(derailing)

No. 1863350

>>1862788
In her case I think she keeps having technical issues with her drawing stuff, and when she put up emergency commissions people did tell her to make a go fund me. She has a bunch of fans that do genuinely see her as a victim and just want to throw money at her. In her case it's ironic because she keeps floating between "I'm such a girlboss small business, my parents said I couldn't live from art but I such a girlboss selling stickers while also having a job" and "help I'm homeless again so I'm making a 4th go fund me".
I think her issue might be more that she decided she has to live in Seattle and is getting her butt kicked by big city rent. She has often made really impulsive decisions and doesn't seem to plan out the pros and cons of anything properly, so she gets herself into complicated situations.

>>1862963
>maybe the stuff that facebook lady said about how easy it should be to get a job got to her after all
Doubt it. She's just ridiculously sensitive about people giving her any sort of life advice and immediately goes on the aggressive. One person made a lighthearted jokey comment on her breakup post about it and she just kinda went "oh woops haha it's funny but it's not but it is", so she'll probably just pretend it didn't happen.

My prediction is that she will find another place and do pretty well for at least a few months, since she has the extra e-begging money and doesn't have to buy weed for the loser boyfriend, and go back to selling stickers and to girlboss posting. The bad possibility is that she might immedeatly start spending way too much money on "little treats" with no future insight because she's slightly better off economically now and get herself back under the poverty line

No. 1863351

>>1863343
AYRT but im a zoomer

No. 1863389

>>1863343
What do you suggest artists to do then? The one in question could start working on a comic and try publishing that I guess, but what are artists that don't have that option supposed to do

No. 1863442

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>>1863052
I commented this in a another thread, but I love drawing little girls like picrel but I'm afraid of posting them, I don't want to attract the retarded pedos again.
It angers me that I can draw something cute and innocent without someone sexualizing it.

No. 1863487

>>1863205
download hitomi dl

No. 1863491

>>1863226
>>1863228
AGAIN. friendly reminder Mossacannis is an open pedophile who draws little girls getting beaten and abused and is followed by professionals of the industry and NO ONE has ever called him out

No. 1863496

>>1863226
jesus christ on a stick, has there ever been any artist that had something similar happen and told them to fuck off?
asians shouldn't bend the knee to western mental illness

No. 1863502

>>1863299
I used to be so gunho about interacting with people as well, and wondered why certain artists/people just post and go and don't interact with their followers. Well, as you can guess I no longer wonder. There's wayyy too much shit and drama. Especially on Twitter, good lord.

I want to start drawing GNC people, but I know it will attach the gendies, who think they are in good company. I would get them at my back door for drawing Roisin Murphy after her comments on puberty blockers on kids.

No. 1863506

>>1863336
>>1863336
At this point you even need a separate email account from main, too. As people have sussed out people's personal/academic addresses that are linked to a swerf and terf account, like that Oxford professor.

No. 1863514

>>1863496
It always reminds me of something said a couple threads ago:

Troons and other terminally online freaks love to go after women on social media because they know women are more likely to fall apart and bend to their will because not many people will back them up that readily. They're easy to attack.

Meanwhile, moids simply don't give a shit because one, they care more about continuing to create their perverted coomer shit, and two, they almost always have walls of horny whiteknights ready to back them up if shit happens. They'll never get deplatformed because their horny followers will always be there for them, meanwhile a woman is far more likely to be abandoned by her friends and followers because the care much more about maintaining a pristine "morally correct" image and "don't want to associate with bad people".

Being a woman on social media is fucking hell.

No. 1863578

I just saw Sycra's channel was nuked, I know there was a controversy regarding him but completely forgot about it and forgot to download some of his vids, his stuff was pretty good. I'm pretty upset rn

No. 1863775

>>1863578
huh what the fuck happened?

No. 1863782

>>1863775
Pajeet hacked his shit and probably didn't get the ransom he wanted so he nuked it.

No. 1863786

>>1863775
>>1863782
Holy fuck, I just looked it up. Sycra basically got his channel hacked, held for ransom and then shut down.

No. 1863790

>>1863578
Anyone with a established presence should gtfou. Channels like proko and stuff like that should already be on their own sites out of youtube.

This will keep happening.

No. 1863800

This is the controversy that anon >>1863578 was talking about btw.

No. 1863823

>>1863800
I have gotten her channel recommended a lot but honestly i don't think her art is any interesting.

No. 1863827

File: 1705879188994.png (1.18 MB, 1490x814, too dark.png)

>>1863823
her art is honestly not that good

No. 1863832

>>1863827
Yeah. Hate to say it because she seems to be very regular and put a lot of effort but she seems very stuck in a rut. I don't know why she is so scared of color.

No. 1863835

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>>1863832
Most modern fantasy artists are deadly scared of colors that arent black and neon purple/blue/pink for some reason. Older fantasy art used to be so colorful.

No. 1863836

>>1863835
I love the art in the bottom panel. I want to go adventuring with that crew

No. 1863840

File: 1705880072711.png (1.77 MB, 900x1159, 1705644388153.png)

>>1863836
yeah older fantasy art was so cool at giving that ''adventure onto an unknown fantasy land'' feel, modern dnd art just feels like a bunch of adult cosplayers at a theme park.

No. 1863862

>>1863442
oh I love sarah kay's art! They always reminded me of strawberry shortcake characters

No. 1863868

>>1863835
But she doesn't even work on low saturation. Is always just grayscale.

I love old keith parkinson art too btw. I am not a dnd player but used to download the images and just stare at them and come up with stories.

No. 1863873

>>1863868
Why do artist use greyscale to color? IMO it never looks good and it feels like it hinders your art in the process, but maybe that's just my experience with the process.

No. 1863910

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>>1863835
Characters in old fantasy art look like real people. It makes for better immersion, gives more life. They also weren't afraid to make creatures or people ugly, even in the design sense. Modern fantasy keeps giving everyone stoic, chiseled Instagram model faces. Everyone has the silhouette of a knife, so angular. It also feels like less care is taken in modern fantasy too, there's not as much passion or time put in.

No. 1863926

>>1863786
This reminds me of when polymomo tea got his account hacked and youtube and Google did fuck all to get it back. He kept messaging them that it was hacked and they kept referring him to a form to fill out. He couldn't properly access the form bc he needed his email to verify but the hacker changed the email. He said he was on hold with customer support for a whole day and they never got around to helping him. Shows how little youtube and google cares

No. 1863932

>>1863873
Some artists get really good results. Of course its not just adding a color layer and leaving it at that, it will never look very good that way, its takes more editing and overpaint to get to something acceptable but its a useful starting point. And very useful in concept art because it allows faster iterations when designing stuff.

>>1863910
I really hate korean fantasy art. Its all souless samefaces. I am more into John Howe and Alan lee kind of stuff, even anime has some really good stuff sometimes but god, south koreans are so soul draining.

No. 1863945

>>1863932
older fantasy anime like slayers and lodoss are amazing, but once they started to get inspired by jrpgs instead of western DND it started to look soulless and boring

No. 1863963

>>1863945
I agree. In general 90s anime is the bomb and i love slayers and loddoss war. Slayers and rurouni kenshin were my favorite anime as a kid.
art for jrpgs from the 90s used to look great too, its really in the 00s with mmorpgs that stuff got really boring and samey looking but looking at pictures for games like Brandish and Grandia are very nostalgic to me, i listen to old jrpg osts all the time.

No. 1863968

>>1863963
Yeah they look gorgeous. SAO killed the fantasy anime genre forever.

No. 1864108

File: 1705894536100.jpg (342.95 KB, 1200x1600, 347625739_10222650749806603_12…)

I saw this pic by artist Jennifer Kennedy Tidd, apparently she stitches one memory for each day of the year! I really like this, would this be considered embroidery and how does someone learn how to do this? I want to make one too!

No. 1864113

>>1864108
This is lovely. Always wanted to learn embroidery, but i know i am lazy and have the patience of an ipad toddler.

No. 1864266

>>1864108
That's so cute! If you've never done embroidery/cross-stitch before, maybe try getting a beginner kit? I haven't done one in ages, but they're pretty straightforward, and surely there must be videos on them/techniques on youtube

No. 1864317

>>1863491
still gets shared around by the more popular twitter coomer vaguely "left" crowd with no issue whatsoever. It's so over.

No. 1864354

>>1864108
Adorable! I wonder if you point to each one if she remembers what the reason for picking that thing was. I kind of can't imagine remembering something from every single day of the year lol

No. 1864384

>>1862923
she probably looks exactly like that. since artists are self obsessed they either draw features which resembles theirs or draw themselves

No. 1864395

>>1864384
It's so true that artists subconsciously draw their own face/features and it pisses me off because I'm ugly so now all my art is doomed to be ugly because of it

No. 1864406

Hopefully this isn't off-topic but I'd like to talk about artist names ! After a long time in hiding I want to start publicly posting art and building a following again but I'm really struggling to pick a name. I was going to use a fairly normal surname from my country based on a suject I used to paint a lot but then I got recommended an artist who uses that exact name with the same spelling, she's not even from here kek but it made me wonder how she gets around using a full foreign name ? I can easily compose names in Japanese which I will probably do for some side account but as a main it would sound absolutely stupid, collabing with other people from here with some weeb ass name. Even if I picked English or German it would sound so chuunibyou but asian artists manage to do it regularly somehow, and everyone everywhere picks fancy french noble type names all the time too and they do just fine. So I'm curious anons, how did you choose the name you became known as ? Do you have a made up full name like an author name, do you just go by your username, or do you have a one-word nickname you use ? Is there a secret to not being ridiculous, but still being easy to remember ?

No. 1864408

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AI art for clout… Like how do people get away with this? Other than the fucked up anatomy, surely no one is fooled if they spend two seconds looking at this person's other pieces?

No surprise people lie on the internet but why do artists who obviously can draw pull this crap?

Aren't most artists against AI?

No. 1864426

>>1864408
Looking at the other work in that TL compared to the AI piece…people are truly retarded.

No. 1864427

>>1864408
Artists are against AI only when it's other people who use it

No. 1864428

>>1864395
Well, that face onisarashi draws is pretty ugly as well but her art gets hundreds of likes so it probably doesn't matter

No. 1864451

>>1863835
they both look bad in my opinion, they’re just two different forms of shit. the top is a tumblr queerio fantasy the bottom is a nerdy fat guy fantasy.

No. 1864454

>>1864451
i mean seriously
>guys are all interestingly drawn according to their character
>women all the same with the sole variance being their hair color
>SAME exact body type amongst the women, probably what was considered hot to nerds at the time (being hot isn’t the issue, but rather that there are only hot women in this image with so many different types of men)
second pic is kind of cool but it also just looks like really generic fantasy slop

No. 1864456

>>1864408
How can she seriously claim she drew it?

No. 1864475

>>1863827

She really has no business teaching art classes. All she ever does are grayscale studies of women's faces, and that's all her 'students end up drawing. They end up spending their time and money drawing gray slop and yet here she is claiming sycra bullied her? I dunno how much of that is true. It doesn't much matter now, they're both such old channels. People only ever talk about sycra in the past tense.

>>1863968

SAO and then Genshin solidified the generic fantasy style. Now the smooth brained tortured styles and cluttered same baby face characters have their death grip on people, especially for coom.

No. 1864476

>>1864456

Look how easy it is to do on Instagram. People will eat anything up you give them if it's trending, even if it's AI. Most people don't know what to look for and don't care.

No. 1864497

>>1864475
I believe her on Sycra, I don’t know why she’d lie, especially now. Males are seriously deranged. Take a man who lives his life online and they’ll be twice more deranged. I’ve had the exact same experiences with online-famous male artists; the overt friendliness, then the sudden turning on you and saying some of the most evil, sickening things over the way you worded something. For me, it’s the way she uses the full range of values for every material she renders, and her smooth edges everywhere with no large shadow shapes but high contrast between lit parts and parts in shadow make a really muddy composition. It looks uncannily smooth and polished, and her stuff is unimaginative. She seems sweet though, far from the worst ‘teacher’ on artist Youtube (Ethan Becker, ugh).

No. 1864510

>>1863835
idk i get the exasperation with tumblrshit hut i'd rather have a bunch of different fantasy races that shit where you can only get male human warrior, female human warrior (in bikini) and one (1) human wizard

No. 1864512

How does get one get back their spontaneity? I used to draw with ease and used to be able to allow myself draw without a solid plan in mind but I developed a strong critical inner voice and cannot 'just' doodle anymore and if I make any kind of a mistake, I feel terrible. Rationally I know that mistakes are part of the learning process but I still feel bad for making them. More of a psychological question, not sure if this is the right place to ask

No. 1864523

>>1864108
That's so cute! I can't make out much detail on my screen but I can see she uses a lot of padding, and while that's not difficult to do, it can be a bit tricky until you have more skill with embroidery. There are a lot of bullion stitches (the ones that look like coils) and some detached buttonhole stitches (shopping bag in lower left) which are a bit harder to do until you're more familiar with embroidery. The leaves on the lower right hand corner tree look like French knots, and the the leaves of the hanging plant in the middle-left and a couple of others look like woven stitches, and the grass on the bottom left looks like rug stitch. These stitches are pretty straightforward and can give you impressive results, if you want to add texture to your work. She also uses a lot of satin stitch (what you probably automatically think of when you think of embroidery, lots of close-together stitches that look stripy from up close) and that's probably the stitch you'll start with when you learn embroidery.
There are tons of sites where you can learn to embroider, I recommend using Youtube alongside written tutorials because it's so much easier to learn embroidery by watching someone do it. Keep trying, don't use thread longer than your forearm, try not to double the thread while you're learning, pick up a cheap multipack of embroidery thread instead of using sewing thread, DO NOT USE METALLIC THREAD unless you really hate yourself, and don't worry if you mess up! You can use a hoop like she does, or embroider without one, but it's much easier with a hoop. Have fun nonna!

No. 1864530

>>1864113
it's actually pretty easy, i picked it up after watching a couple quick clips on pinterest and I just look up how to do different stitches if i need them. you should give it a go with a beginners kit since it comes with everything you need so if you don't like it you aren't stuck with a bunch of supplies you aren't going to use

No. 1864559

>>1864512
Maybe try to set aside 30-60 minutes per day to draw freely and without erasing, it'll get easier with time

No. 1864592

>>1863336
>giga stacey russian who stood against a tif

Can I get a redpill or link to her mention?

No. 1864696

>>1864406
the virgin
>@kawaiisparklyartuwu
vs the chad
>@asjdjasdjsja1257474

No. 1864706

>>1864510
None of the females in the bottom piece are even slightly slutty. It's funny because in the tumblr shit the ''diversity'' only comes from the male characters, while the women are either cutesy generic girl or badass black woman with muscles, but not 'real' muscles, muscly body that attracts males, so barely toned.

No. 1864800

>>1864510
I don't have a problem with the diversity of the newer stuff. What I find bad is the very obvious trashy anime inspired clothes, the shitty gender special hairstyles, and the "queer" characters that are some variation of androgynous themie, some male character that looks like a woman both in phenotype and dress, and some cross dressing drag style male character.
Other anons are right, it's like they make ocs of cosplayers and not actual fantasy characters.

No. 1864809

>>1864800
modern fantasy feels too overdesigned

No. 1864823

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>>1862923
seems this artist probably likes lain's art style

No. 1864866

>>1862923
>>1864823
It’s not just the expressionless same faces, the girls all have those rotund flat childlike faces that give off lolicon art style vibes

No. 1864882

>>1864408
What's more delulu is this person deleted and hid all the accusation, only keep the comlpliment, locked Dms to not be called out. And after all still posting story on high horse.

No. 1864914

>>1864866
they look like the aliens from mars needs moms to me

No. 1864945

>>1864408
Not the watermark with shaky lines lmfao(not the zoomer talk lmfao)

No. 1865058

Has anyone else grown bored of that specific 'painterly' art style where it's just a portrait from above where the subject is supposed to look tired and droopy under harsh lighting?

No. 1865083

File: 1705990309997.mp4 (2.52 MB, 1080x1920, 1705990369874.mp4)

>>1864408
This beats Emilie Autumn's "speedpaints" fucking kek

No. 1865090

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>>1865083
>suggests putting "skin layer" through facetune as if that wouldn't turn it into a crusty jpg
>you should only stick to one layer for some reason, no mention of underpainting or anything
>uses photoshop only for adding overlays as if you can't do that with most drawing apps??
>ibis paint and clip studio are so similar that they're included in one catergory

She literally couldn't come off as more clueless about how that type of digital art works jesus christ

No. 1865095

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>>1865090
The fucked up, unfinished eyelid in contrast to that obviously "finished piece" in the layer thumbnail

No. 1865157

I really envy rkgk artists, they look like they have so much fun drawing. I dont know how to explain it, but seeing their art always inspire me to draw.

No. 1865210

>>1865157
i don't understand what a rkgk artist exactly is. it's supposed to mean "quick sketch" i guess but i only see "rkgk" title attached to clearly more processed works?

No. 1865211

>>1865083
This is so fucking stupid KEK

No. 1865214

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>>1862923
>the way they draw faces is sooo heinous to me and all social medias keep throwing it in my face. i can't stand looking at it to the point i had to block them from everywhere
>2 days ago
Maybe you should work on your own art instead of crabbing up other artists ask boxes.

No. 1865215

>>1865214
You must be very retarded to make a post like this. What is the correlation?

No. 1865216

>>1865215
Retarted? It was posted the same day anon here went out of their way to make a collage and post about how much they dislike the artist. Of course it’s them being a bitter samefag.

No. 1865217

>>1865216
*retarded not retardant kek

No. 1865219

>>1865216
Why would it be so? Are you aware that this is most likely an artist with lots of followers who gets asks/interactions constantly? Also, asks are not replied to/posted as soon as they are sent. So it's no proof, really. Also, why would the anon anonimously be more kind? They could just hatemail as normal KEK. You are either a fan of the artist or the artists themselves to be angry at someone talking about such a shitty artist with moidy themes.

No. 1865220

>>1865219
I'm sorry for being rude, anyways. I hate being so incisive. Please don't kill yourself

No. 1865225

>>1865214
Maybe you are on the wrong website, anon…

No. 1865226

>>1865083
And this is soon to be sold as a print, damn

No. 1865227

>>1865219
Going by their account history they don’t appear to get more than a couple asks a month. You’re just digging a deeper hole with such an overly aggressive reply to my tinfoil.

No. 1865229

>>1865083
Was it actually this music on the background of her video? If so, she is clearly trolling at this point.

No. 1865231

>>1865227
NTA but do you seriously not realize the irony of calling someone out for being hateful on a website dedicated to being hateful?

No. 1865232

>>1865229
It might not be a troll with their claim that they “finished a ton of pieces” for their return. Sounds like things are just starting!

>>1865231
Anons can still call out anons for acting like sore losers.

No. 1865236

>>1865232
Why would anyone who is not a sore loser hang out here?

No. 1865239

>>1865083
I burst out laughing when the painting layer showed up, how can she trust artists won't see through this? this must be a troll.

No. 1865240

>>1865210
It's also used for drawings that are made for fun or self-indulgent

No. 1865282

In case anyone knows or cares Sycra an old and popular art Youtuber recently got hacked and his account got turned into crypto propaganda kek. His account got taken down, and was among the biggest art YT channels on the site like Proko. This vid is pretty dire for the YT Art scene. Its scatterbrained but he says all educational art content will be gone in a few years and be out competed by larger content mills. Its clear that he means dead internet theory without saying so.

No. 1865341

File: 1706019806358.jpg (91.35 KB, 735x702, 1000007385.jpg)

Found this on Pinterest. What are your thoughts on stylizing bodies?

No. 1865346

>>1865341
Sage. It's cope for ugly retards. I hate it.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1865348

>>1865341
I get the point the artist wants to make, but it falls flat because tbe left example doesn't have realistic proportions either. It's like she's comparing apples and slightly different apples instead of apples and oranges.

No. 1865349

>>1865341
I think it's as good as the artist. She shouldn't have tried drawing her own example.

No. 1865353

>>1865341
It depends on what your goal is with what you're working on. The commentary in the image is silly, of course both are "totally okay to draw!!!" But whether or not the stylization serves your work is a different matter. If you're making an illustration with a detailed backgeound, lighting, architecture, etc, or if you're displaying more serious themes, of course stylized figures are going to look out of place. If you're drawing a cartoon, maybe realistically proportioned figures will look out of place. This is just another case of amateur artist trying to make a single image tutorial on something they don't fully understand yet.

No. 1865358

>>1865348
I was about to comment that too, it is a pet peeve of mine when people talk about realistic and stylized art and the only context the "realistic" example can be called so is when it is right next to a cubism piece.

No. 1865371

>>1865083
1. trace outline
2. bullshit the ear
3. Paint the rest of the fucking moid

No. 1865376

>>1865348
How is the left example unrealistic? Sure, it's trendy proportions but it is a real body type too. The problem is, people who draw "stylized" draw only the example on the right which suggests all bodies realistically look like the left example too.

No. 1865394

>>1865376
NTA but just the fact the left one has animu proportions, which irl would be children's proportions, render it unrealistic.

No. 1865423

>>1865341
it should not be done outside of animation.

No. 1865440

>>1865095
Kek tracing is alive and well. I look forward to more screen caps as proof that she uses AI to trace. Reminds me of tracing wars from the DA days.
>>1865282
Could be why Proko and a few other artists are establishing their own online schoollso they don’t have to rely on YT. Hopefully he can get his channel back.
>>1865423
What about comics? I think there’s more leeway and artist want to extend that to game and movie/tv characters which are realistically designed. I see a lot more anime/cartoon style for most everything and this example doesn’t make a strong case because they’re both stylized. It’s more of the same.

No. 1865472

I don't know if it's because of a case of hyperphantasia or part of my maladaptive daydreaming or whatever but do any of you struggle to actually sit down and draw what's in your mind instead of vividly imagining it? I've been trying my hardest to actually sit down and put my mind to the canvas instead of just contenting myself with transforming into an 'ideas guy' and not using the ability I cultivated for a decade, but when I draw it just doesn't doesn't get me that same whimsy even if it looks exactly like or very closely to what I envisioned. I get stuck in a loop of thinking about all the things I want to do and how happy I would be to do them then I never do it

No. 1865479

>>1865472
I feel the same way sometimes kek it's like I've already seen this in my mind, why waste time and draw it? I can only get over that if it's something simple or something I'd like to share with others. No one can look into my head and I'm bad at putting my ideas into words so it has to be through art

No. 1865481

>>1865095
The layer thumbnail is what she's working on right now, so all those splotches would look more coherent and normal as if it were, say, cell filled. This is actually a terrible example if you're trying to expose her for tracing.

No. 1865512

>>1865440
I agree that they look the same, I was mainly thinking of her fingerless hands and simple huge head, which fits the animation standards of "fast to animate four fingers logic" I think unless it is photo realism, most art is stylized in some form anyway.

No. 1865521

>>1865472
you really need to consider thumbnailing, trying to imagine my perfect image and sketching silly lines or shapes for the idea quickly before it "dissolves" helped me, also Pinterest boards.

No. 1865610

>>1865472
I'm the same way. I also see really pretty scenes in my dreams and want to recreate them but they always look like shit.
I wish there was a way to not only to capture the visual/auditory but like every sense in a moment. I love fog but no amount of fog artwork will represent what its like to be there in the moment. In the middle of the night with blinding fog, diffusing streetlights into an eerie orange glow, feeling the moisture, especially if it's hot. It's not the same dammit!
I wish I could draw better but I also wish I could draw a feeling, if that makes sense.

No. 1865646

File: 1706047545663.jpeg (198.27 KB, 1170x876, IMG_5380.jpeg)

?

No. 1865648

Just found out that an artist I loved back when I was a beginner now has moved nearly all of her content to Patreon and SubscribeStar making it nearly impossible to see her art without hitting a paywall. She sometimes posts some older complete pieces on Instagram but I miss the time where she'd post sketches and other WIPs on her Tumblr because it was extremely interesting to see her process and how she worked with shapes and details. At the same time that I fully support her getting that sweet cash because of how amazing her art is, I can't help but feel a bit sad that now I have essentially no access to her content because I can't really affort to pay +150 per month to get through her paywall (she has some cheaper tiers but in those you only get sketches and in very low quality). I feel so sad.

No. 1865651

>>1865646
They’ve drawn album cover art for troons, it’s really not that surprising

No. 1865653

>>1865646
as if her art couldnt get any grosser

No. 1865657

>>1865646
she's a fujoshi, what's not clicking?

No. 1865667

>>1862923
nah i love this artist, she seems genuinely cool wrt to where she pulls her inspiration from, super humble, etc. i also appreciate all young girls online that aren't pronoun obsessed (i really hope that doesn't come off as weird, i just know whenever i get nosy about what the youth are up to half of them are xe/fae/they these days and it makes me sad)

No. 1865668

>>1865657
traps belong in the pornsick moid category, not fujos

No. 1865670

>>1865667
isnt one of the characters in her game a tranny though?

No. 1865671

>>1865341
atp i feel people can do what they want so long as they aren't using muh style as a cope to stagnate. if it looks good then cool, if it doesn't i'll just ignore the artist
>>1865472
i can vividly think of all kinds of things but the moment i sit down to draw my head blanks out. no idea why

No. 1865674

>>1865670
uhh not to my knowledge? if you're referring to fear, blood, and concrete then the mc is just a gnc woman

No. 1865681

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>>1865646
she's probably insecure about her love of feminine men and trying to be quirky about it. i think her style's nice though.

>>1865657
fujos are attacked on socmed all the time, so i believe it

No. 1865692

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>>1865681
Is that the pedobait from genshit? Ew.
I agree her technical style is beautiful. I hate her gross “draw a girl and pretend it’s a boy” thing, though. Even Amano’s androgynous men were intended to be male.

No. 1865693

>>1865648
search her on kemono party

No. 1865699

>>1865692
what character from genshit isnt pedobait? kek

No. 1865700

>>1865646
YWNBA (you will never be Amano)

No. 1865704

>>1865692
were you one of those people sperging about the butches that one lesbian artist drew being "too male" a while back kek. it's art, it can be as stylized or unnatural as the artist likes. cat girls and dragons can get painted, so can "draw girl call boy/draw boy call girl"

No. 1865716

>>1865704
I mean it is the artist salt thread kek
>>1865681
Is this her art? It looks nothing like Amano. It just looks like she elongated him.

No. 1865720

>>1865282
The end of an era it's so jarring I had to look up and see for myself

No. 1865734

>>1865282
Fuuuuck, I just subbed to him a few days ago. I hope people will upload back ups of his videos somewhere, there's mainly old ones on yt

No. 1865735

>>1865282
i am 99% sure his content is backed up on the /ic/ telegram or cgpeers

No. 1865857

>>1865704
you sound like when lolicons try to justify their pedo drawings because ''it looks like a 12yo but its ackshually a 5000 year old dragon''.

No. 1865930

Okay, is this a bait for hell week to see who bites?

No. 1865937

>>1865648
She is a retard. Find a better artist to follow. Patreon is for grift.

No. 1866058

>>1865930
If it looks like an orange, even if you call it an apple, it's still an orange. You are free to see it your mentally ill way, but to everyone else, it's still an orange. Using excuses to justify how despite it looking like an orange it's actually an apple it's how we ended up with people tolerating shadman for so long.

No. 1866073

I'm not the one you're talking to. I'm not affected by this discussion. But this discussion has happened in ot for quite some time and it's led to unproductive infighting.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1866117

>>1865937
What's wrong with artists wanting to profit from their art?

No. 1866121

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there are so many good art tutorials on bilibili i never knew about my art has improved more seeing those meticulous tutorials with graphs and shit and numbers, than the slop western artubers make i know watching them is letting china spy on me but i dont care i want to get better at art also they have some pirated courses on there too

No. 1866125

>>1866121
I'm intrigued… what do you type to find art tutorials on bilibili?

No. 1866133

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>>1866121
dDo you speak chinese? Chinese artists are so incredibly good. /ic/ scrotes want Japanese jeans, I want Chinese ones. They always nail the ''realistic'' look without it looking plastic or boring. My biggest guilty pleasure is this Chinese artist, I just wish she wasnt such a pedo.

No. 1866142

>>1866125
usually google translated shit but type in the basic online schools coloso or class101 and discover through the recommended bar, im genuinely amazed how much better these tutorials are than the western ones ,theres also a telegram group too in which im in so that helps alot

No. 1866146

>>1866142
samefag but here https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1JF411Y7pB/?spm_id_from=333.788.recommend_more_video.0 try discovering videos through this krenz is pretty popular there

No. 1866147

>>1866146
krenz's videos are subbed on youtube

No. 1866234

>>1865646
I'm the anon who wondered if she was some kind of spiritual proana weirdo so I'm kinda relieved to learn that she's just a regular degenerate kek.

>>1865716
Her "serious" art is what gets her compared to Amano, even moreso since The Greatest Living Show music video. It's not because of her anatomy choices but mostly because of everything else

No. 1866257

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>>1866234
As someone who used to ape Amano and grew out of it (he's one of my favorite artists to this day and some influence will never go away, but) it bugs me how in her own ass she is about it. It's not that you happen to have a style like Amano, it's that you modeled yourself and your artistic details against Amano's and were successful. That survey she posted "Hey your art reminds me of A–" is so gloating as if it wasn't a conscious choice to absorb his style and then roll with it. Of course people will compare the two, your influence is obvious.

Even the animation posted is very akin to Amano's 1001 Nights (which is on YouTube and easily available.

No. 1866260

>>1866133
this is a by a fujoshi who ships 12 year old john with the terminator.

No. 1866292

>>1866121
Tangential, but the quality of Chinese beauty tutorials knocks Western advice out of the water so I’m not surprised that extends to their art instruction as well. They have a meticulousness and attention to detail; they’ve distilled the art of making things aesthetically pleasing down to a science. Overall, East Asian cultures tend to place a higher value on aesthetics compared to Western cultures. You see this manifest in the way they put an emphasis on outwards appearance, not just for people but also for food, places, objects, etc

>>1866133
Kek, I could immediately tell the artist of that pic was Chinese by the way they paint. Generally speaking, you can clock Asian artists by their nationality based on their art style

Chinese: Whether anime or realism, uses a painterly style that incorporates a wide range of colors (akin to impressionist painters) even if the color range is not true to real life
Korean: Can immediately clock by the facial features and proportions. The ones who draw anime-ish styles prefer more “realistic” stylized features. But all of them have that Korean plastic surgery looking face with the tiny v-shape face, overblown lips and chiseled nose.

SEAsian artists are a mixed bag of influences from East and West. Malays, Filipinos and Indonesians cop from animu and more recently Korean webtoon styles but there’s there’s also ones who draw in more Western styles (especially if they also imported gender special views)

No. 1866304

>>1866292
Ayrt I wouldn't say that the "western" side didn't focus on aesthetics (I mean the period of romanticism proves how autistic they were about it) but the modern era ones are. the one thing I've noticed after art became "inclusive" western art quality decreased rapidly. even on tumblr there was a aesthetic (the pixel art soft colors and the chroma effect) but it slowly got corroded by gendies. I will not pretend that I don't still use some western art courses (mostly the old ones and pros) in Eastern art even a beginner is held to a standard and expected to improve when in the west they are way lenient its my style1!! Argument I generally don't like piting one side against another since it doesn't make sense.but I do hate how they teach art in the west

No. 1866306

>>1866304
Some anons commented some threads ago how art courses in the west focus more on the expression and meaning and "originality" aspects of art and less on actual fundamentals…which is why we end up with shit-tier artists who are much more focused on the "this is my style!!1!!" excuse because it's probably what everyone in the art world taught them. "Everyone can be an artist! To be an artist you just need to create things and express yourself!"

No. 1866324

>>1866304
Ah, I didn’t mean to say that Western artists never valued aesthetics in the history of art - I just wanted to comment on current trends in the 2010s and 2020s. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the current crop of Chinese artists look to the old masters of past centuries for inspiration. But yeah, the American “we must be as inclusive as possible and you can’t criticize me because muh style!!11” attitude - in other words, valuing subjective experience and individual expression over trying to achieve an aesthetically pleasing representation of reality - was a blow to the Western online art scene. Individuality and deviation from the status quo is fine and good - or else we’d all end up as Sakimichan clones or only make Instagram girl / Korean plastic surgery face portraits - but the attitude is literally detrimental for development because it discourages working on fundamental skills.

No. 1866333

>>1865341
the 'more stylised' version reminds me of OK K.O.– I've noticed that that show's had a lot of influence on younger artists (even if they weren't fans or even watched it, elements of its shortcuts and character design show up in a lot of other fanart)

No. 1866338

>>1866324
>but the attitude is literally detrimental for development because it discourages working on fundamental skills
THIS! isn't it strange though? I mean both the Russians and Chinese art culture pushes a heavy emphasis on fundamental and the basic cores of art. Its truly sad though the west has potential but in the race of being the most inclusive their art has become a muddled mess.

No. 1866340

does anyone have russian/chinese art book recs? translated's great but non-translated's good too so long as there are images to copy, i can only read english

No. 1866348

>>1866338
it's not so strange considering many current western art teachers weren't taught the fundamentals properly themselves, with possibly even their own teachers not having that foundation as well due to the push for abstraction and art being able to be anything (not that that's an inherently bad thing, but taught poorly it just becomes self-absorbed and discourages trying to improve because your art was already at its peak before you started… or once you learned to fit a certain [but different to the classics] mould). It's basically a mini art dark age, which is a little wild to think about.

No. 1866373

>>1866338
>>1866348
>mini art dark age
That’s exactly what it is. Chinese and Russian art curriculum emphasizes rigor and foundation, so their artists are at least equipped to make interesting but technically skilled artwork.

In fact I would go as far to say that it’s not just the “muh style and inclusivity!!11l” plague that’s holding back the US (and by extension the West). Other countries are experiencing stagnation for different reasons. I don’t know about the quality of art education in Japan and Korea, and I can mainly speak to Japan since I’ve been a weeb the longest. But it feels like all the anime art coming out of Japan is so homogenous - all of it has the same rendering styles, the same bright, oversaturated colors and the same overcluttered designs. The bright color overdose isn’t just an illustration thing, it’s most obvious in animated media. It’s like dark colors are banned in anime. Hunter x Hunter 1999 vs 2011 is a textbook example of this phenomenon.

The hanko-e design philosophy in manga art always meant sameface was unavoidable to some extent but at least you could find a range of styles even within the same genre. But the Japanese design philosophy has always valued ease of mass reproduction, so the homogeneity we’re seeing now is the logical conclusion.

No. 1866393

>>1866373
very nice observation! ive noticed the anime blob style too but i thought maybe i was overgeneralizing it but it does seem anime is in great lack of..style? like even in retro anime and manga there was a style to a artist, like take the jk anime people are praising its style when theres really nothing new there? it just looks like usual shounen shit this problem is more egregious in the korean sphere (just look at the copypaste bl and isekai villainess style THEY ALL LOOK LIKE THE SAME ARTIST MADE THEM) its so consumer slop? i dont really know how to word it but ive stopped seeing unique styles too

No. 1866417

>>1866373
Just look at anime seasons the last few years. All the character images look the same. It does feel like the same artist as another anon said. I grew up with 80’s/90’s anime and there was variety in it. A lot of bold lines and a stark difference between mature and young character designs. Now all the female and male characters look the same age and squishy, like marshmallows. Do you think Lina Inverse would have the same personality if made today? No. She’d be a blobby witch trapped in an isekai video game world and we’d never see her mouth move due to budget constraints.

No. 1866430

>>1866260
nta, but you bringing up the artist's weird fujo tendencies doesn't suddenly make her art shit, nonnie. people like you have nothing valuable to contribute when it comes to actually critiquing the art in question, so you attack the artist's character instead. good job.(bait)

No. 1866433

>>1866393
Your observation about the blob-ification of anime is spot on. People praising JJK is hardly notable since it’s probably just clueless normies; JJK is babby’s first anime for this generation. I suspect the reason older anime art styles were more diverse was because artists of that time were more willing to cop inspiration from outside of anime. But around the beginning of the 2010s you start to see homogeneity settle in, which is also when it started to get obvious that artists were only drawing reference from other anime, leading to an insular environment. SAO is the Steven Universe of anime, the propagator of some of the worst visual trends in anime today - the blobby faces, the flat shading and coloring, the oversaturated color palettes

I don’t know as much about the Korean scene since I feel like manhwa (and distinctly Korean art styles) only started to enter the mainstream in the mid-2010s. Nonetheless, its a similar deal to the anime industry - prioritizing mass reproducibility and fast turnover - but with Korean beauty standards. That’s why most manhwa is like the fast food of comics from Asia. But I feel like we need to give the Korean industry more time to evolve and mature. BL manhwa is currently in its awkward YAOI HANDS 90s/early 2000s BL manga stage.

>>1866417
I miss 90s anime art and handmade cel animation. The bold lines, the rich and vibrant colors, the heavy shadows.

No. 1866457

>>1866430
>so you attack the artist's character instead. good job.
NTA but that artist is an actual pedophile. Like drawing an real child with a real grown man pedophile. I think their milk was posted last thread but I can't remember.

No. 1866476

>>1866433
>shadows
Watching Frerien made me realize how lazy anime is now. Sometimes the backgrounds look hand painted (which is a plus) but when characters walk under trees the effect of scattered light is a 3D filter slapped on so it reads as flat, there are no contours to the shadows and doesn’t move along the form.

No. 1866480

>>1865341
I don't get this question. Except for photo-realistic art, all art is stylized in some way. Some of you sound like you haven't even touched a pencil in your life

No. 1866555

>>1866480
>>1865341
Yeah the word is 'exaggerated', not stylised. What a dumb question and discussion.

No. 1866616

>>1866555
If you want to be pedantic you can call them
both illustrations. OP (the artist) meant to compare illustrations against figurative realism and drew a poor example.

No. 1866654

>>1865341
Nobody is putting a gun to your head saying you must draw semi realistic bodies over exaggerated ones. It's just that people that complain about exaggerated proportions do it bc most people that draw that way have poor understanding of anatomy in the first place and use style as a shield against criticism. Especially westerners.
If anything I think this artist made this picture to show that she does know how to draw better than the drawing on the right. She's pretty much just trying to prove a point to herself.

No. 1866870

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i will NEVER be armtwisted by the ""shape language"" police into drawing fatties. i'm making this my sacred oath.

No. 1866887

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>>1866260
yeah, but shes insanely good and i wish i could paint and draw like her. I normally dont like modern realistic digital art because it always look so stale, but she found the perfect semi realism look. Its really impressive she can ape the likeness of the actors so easily.

No. 1866890

>>1866333
its a really ugly simplistic artstyle that even a toddler could recreate, so its bound to attract lazy or underage artists

No. 1866895

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>>1866304
>>1866304
>>1866306
what are you talking about? japanese artists always recommend morpho, loomis and hampton.

No. 1866903

>>1866895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy_4g-jTkgY

i watched this the other day and really felt i was about to discover the secret lost cheat code of learning how to draw known only in the forgotten islands of the four seasons. (he recommends morpho and robertson.)(learn2embed)

No. 1867023

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>>1866903
Morpho is incredibly underrated. Its so fucking good. If i could start again i would do proko for absolute basics, then perspective made easy, then Morpho with anatomy for sculptors. All of my favourite artists, specially rkgk artists with really good anatomy, use morpho.

No. 1867110

>>1866895
>>1866903
Basics are basics whereever you go, so the obligatory Morpho, Andrew Loomis, Scott Robertson, etc are useful no matter what. What those anons are alluding to is a difference in attitudes towards art fundamentals in the US/the West versus non-Western countries. It's not like they're saying that East Asian artists have magical secret resources that make them git gud.

>>1867023
How do you use Morpho to learn? Are you supposed to copy the forms to familiarize yourself with the forms and learn how to construct them?

No. 1867111

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lmao

No. 1867116

>>1867110
>How do you use Morpho to learn? Are you supposed to copy the forms to familiarize yourself with the forms and learn how to construct them?
Both. You have to both copy the drawings to familiarize yourself with the shapes then use it alongside anatomy for sculptors when doing studies.
>>1867111
these are so ugly and uninspired, vivzietier

No. 1867279

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>>1867111
The designs aren't the best and also bland as hell, but they're kind of cute in a Proffesor Layton way. The design on the pink one is revolting however

No. 1867288

>>1867111
This reminds me of that meme in which all female characters skinny and conventionally attractive while every man is either a shapeless fatty blob or and old man.

No. 1867307

>>1867279
dont compare that revolting overdesigned coomer shit to professor layton

No. 1867317

>>1867307
Layton has the same issue where 99% of the females are young and pretty but males get more variety

No. 1867339

>>1867317
yeah but at least the women dont have balloon titties. The shapes and everything is done better too, this thing just looks bad and amateurish regardless of the coom >>1867279

No. 1867343

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>>1867111
>>1867279
Basically picrel. They're cowards to draw women in other body types other than slim conventionally attractive or child.

No. 1867345

>>1867343
I wanna see the opposite in a show, all women are diverse and the men are all eye candy

No. 1867354

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>>1867343
literally just OKKO and its dogshit waifubait designs. That shit was genuinely painful to watch because you could tell the artists were trying really hard to make waifubait, specially since the creator is a /co/ user, but the artstyle was so shitty only the big titty milf caught on.

No. 1867402

>>1867111
These all suck. Reminds me of skullgirls

No. 1867404

>>1867354
>>1867354
The purple guy looks like sexyman bait

No. 1867407

>>1867404
good eye, he literally was meant as one.

No. 1867409

>>1867404
>>1867407
he's very ugly

No. 1867431

>>1867407
Cartoon network is like purgatory at this point.

No. 1867435

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>>1867431
thank god they scrapped this shit

No. 1867440

>>1867345
same nonnie.

No. 1867462

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i feel like avagado is going to troon out very soon, hes been posting more and more sissy fetish art (very predictable since most of his art is based on societal roles and mental illness)

No. 1867468

>>1867462
he already did tons of tranny art before. He's the banksy of weebs with his 3deep5u art. Its kinda funny how zoomer weebs make fun of ''phone bad'' boomer memes then share avagado's art thats basically the modern version of those comics.

No. 1867473

>>1867407
He looks like pearl

No. 1867509

>>1867462
Ugh, this is so nasty.

No. 1867626

>>1867462
He's a great animator and songwriter (I believe he makes music under the name Nulut), I know his art is kind of Facebook tier but I think having an appealing art style with clear messaging isn't a bad thing. He conveys concepts well imo. He's definitely super into crossdressing though, he's been posting shit like this for years.

No. 1867635

Is it a bad idea to share my "problematic" edgy art if it's in contrast to my regular art?
It's not fujo lolisho proship or whatever people say now, but could be cancelable to the right person. I don't want to deal with any nonsense because of drawing some kaneoya sachiko-adjacent stuff.
Should I make a separate account for it and protect my current audience?

No. 1867649

>>1867462
Art like this always give me the feeling that the artist is a pedophile.

No. 1867661

>>1867354
I can’t get over how badly they did the female lead. The generic smug circle eyes, the stick arms that look detachable from her body, the pole-shaped torso with elephantiasis legs, the ugly color scheme, the fucking clothes. Her official art specifically looks so half-assed even in comparison to the other characters. She looks like an extra in a rick and morty rip-off that cost $5 to make. I caught one episode of this where she was the focus and it made me cringe hard from the shit writing and forced anime references

>only the big titty milf caught on

A bit surprised because I’m always seeing /co/ moids thirsting over shitty designs in other media as long as they’re waifu-able.
Makes sense it’s her though, it’s hard to fuck up a sexy vampire lady with sleek black hair.

I find the green rat girl’s design cute tbh, relieved I haven’t seen her catch on as a “waifu” especially considering there was some shit in the show about her sniffing the purple dude(her father figure)’s clothes.

No. 1867666

>>1867407
I swear to God, being attracted to Tumblr sexyman characters ought to be a test for diagnosing autism in women. I can’t fathom how else someone would be attracted to these cartoony, inhuman-looking, often uggo characters like the purple dude.

No. 1867671

dumb question but how many hours a day should i practice fundamentals? I know there isn't a concrete answer but I'm scared that if I only practice for less than an hour then the techniques won't stick with me, but if I practice for too long (like several hours) then i just end up doing grinding for the sake of grinding and I end up not learning.
>>1866133
>Chinese artists are so incredibly good. /ic/ scrotes want Japanese jeans, I want Chinese ones. They always nail the ''realistic'' look without it looking plastic or boring
hard agree. I had given up on art but after i discovered online chinese artists Ive become motivated to practice drawing again. Hopefully someday I will be able to draw like that
>>1866292
>Chinese: Whether anime or realism, uses a painterly style that incorporates a wide range of colors (akin to impressionist painters)
interesting observation. Impressionism is one of my favourite art movements so I wonder if thats why I like chinese artists

No. 1867685

>>1867635
If you post on twitter, you can always mark the media as sensitive (so it's not displayed unless you click on it) and mention whatever the drawing is about. Usually you would want to have different accounts if the art/topics are drastically different since most of your current followers won't care about it and the ones who do may not follow you if your account is a mixed bag, but marking it as sensitive might be an ok middle point.

No. 1867732

>>1867671
one hour is enough tbh, it does not matter how long you practice it matters that you do it regularly enough to stick in, so focus on doing something at least every day rather than how long, if you would like to step up your game, maybe do a one hour at day and one hour at night.

No. 1867783

>>1866903
Now this is peak Vtuber design.

No. 1867786

>>1866142
What's the telegram group

No. 1867794

File: 1706220361443.jpg (1.91 MB, 1280x20850, n2RnBSS.jpg)

>>1866895
https://www.brendanmeachen.com/soloartist

This guide helped me a bit, there's a newer version that's even better and if you know how to find pirated courses you'll know how to find it.
You don't have to follow all of DAB if you don't want to obviously but the fact he compiled a bunch of books and courses and explicitly mentions what topics to practice is good enough for me

No. 1867803

>>1866903
This guy is going to make me cry, he's like me if I tried harder
>Studied CS
>Ended up in grad school
>Still got good at art
Not going to turn this into a blogpost but wish I could be like him.

No. 1867812

>>1867803
You can. His art isn't even that good. You can draw like him as long as you learn how to abuse color adjustment layers and the airbrush tool kek

No. 1867846

>>1867794
>all this to get good

Whelp, guess I'll never improve…

No. 1867892

>>1867661
Never seen the show but from your descriptions it’s difficult for me to figure out the female MC. Is she the magenta haired one or the one on the far left? The green girl reads as a rabbit rather than rat. A lesson in how not to design characters.
>>1867666
>666 kek his stubble looks more like acne. Gross.
>>1867794
Thanks. I found that link before and lost it. Structure like this helps a lot if you aren’t able to get good feedback.

No. 1867911

>>1866133
I didn’t get it when you posted this one but when you posted this >>1866887 I understood, very painterly. Weird that they look so different.

No. 1867919

File: 1706234442157.png (2.64 MB, 2066x1742, practicee.png)

>>1867794
This feels like its too much, you can achieve all of that with just morpho and perspective made easy+ tons of practicing. Something that opened my mind is finding practice accounts from japanese artists. They way they study is mostly doing figure drawing and focusing on specific parts of the body, like doing a whole sheet of feet/hands.

No. 1867922

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Also, maybe i am just picky but both Proko and the DAD guy are terrible artists. If they did all that just to end up drawing like this i dont see the point in following an schedule that autistic.

No. 1867937

>>1867922
Why are you taking a meme so seriously? Just because someone fucks up a doodle sometimes doesn’t make them unskilled overall

No. 1867951

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>>1867922
Proko to me has always been for beginners to go hand in hand with soething like Loomis, and honestly is probably one of the better ones to learn from when you'r starting out, as opposed to say, artist salt favourites like LT and Ethan Becker or even Marc Brunet.
Sure he can't draw a kangaroo, but he's not the worst.

No. 1867959

>>1867922
I'm worse than him at human anatomy but i can draw a much better construction from imagination than that. It looks wonky and amateurish. That's what happens when you only make studies and never draw properly kek.

No. 1867981

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>>1867892
>Is she the magenta haired one or the one on the far left
The magenta one. It especially annoys me because (ignoring the ugly styles) her previous design in the pilot flowed a bit better. I understand simplifying designs for animation but man they made her (and the entire show >>1867407) look completely half assed.

>The green girl reads as a rabbit rather than rat

She has a rat tail that's not as visible due to the black background, but when you said this I looked her up up to make sure I didn't get the species wrong so kek I agree

No. 1867998

>>1867981
The green girl is just amethyst and peridot combined kek

No. 1868002

>>1867354
I hate the 'sexy dumbbell' school of female character design so much

No. 1868005

>>1867981
i think it also works better for a ninja, the new one doesnt even have the short sleeves and the bandages are just up there instead of on her forearms, plus the top being the only blue piece makes it look like some random color choice.
They removed too much imo

No. 1868006

>>1867981
>simplifying designs for animation
I'm sick of seeing this excuse when it comes to western/american animation tbh, the pilot design was already simple as fuck and would be easy to animate. Hell, the tabard/skirt and longer ponytail would have helped add visual interest and flow to her movement, but no, too hard I guess

No. 1868032

>>1867981
I always thought this show looked stupid even before looking too deep the female designs. Even the dudes manage to look stupid. I never even believed it was a real show for the longest time because it didn't look simple as a deliberate professional design choice, it looked simple as in amateurish and badly made. It looks like what you'd find in a middle schooler's sketchbook but in like a bad way and none of the charm. Nostalgic but in a kind of weird and simultaneously familiar but unfamiliar way. Maybe I'm just a schizo though, I never paid enough attention to this show to form an extremely strong opinion

No. 1868034

>>1868006
I agree, but this reminded me I got hired to do some character design work for a 3D animation and was asked to avoid adding dangly/flowy bits and stuff that'd get wrinkled a lot. Does something like that apply to 2D too? Somehow I can totally imagine some cali animator groaning about animating the blue flaps, but would that seriously be that much of a hassle?

No. 1868059

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>>1867407
Sorry to reply again but I just saw the comments kek. I dare anyone watching this video to go to the 2:44 mark mentioned here. We need more shame in cartoon society

No. 1868083

>>1868059
These types of comments always feel like a joke I'm not in on, I don't want to believe anyone actually thinks like that

No. 1868108

>>1867981
>I understand simplifying designs for animation
the original design was already extremely simplified. Cartoon network would make a whole show about stickman figures just to cut cost.

No. 1868130

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Why do people consoom so much markers when they draw the simplest things? She doesn't even blend or have the markers arranged by colors, I bet she doesn't even differentiate between most of them because they all look so similar. I see this kind of stuff very often…

No. 1868135

>>1868130
I am so tired of ''pretty girl'' art. Give me mounstrous girls, weird girls, anything but instathot face with a poker face.

No. 1868139

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>>1868135
Same. No matter how "well-drawn" it is I find it utterly boring.

No. 1868142

>>1868139
thats AI though

No. 1868179

>>1868034
ayrt I can see why, for something low budget especially, you'd want to avoid cloth/other components that require physics sims or special rigs to animate properly (cheap or simple 3D productions have a lot of limitations really when it comes to remaining in scope, for example a lot will avoid rendering with SSS, which is why skin can look flat or dead), but in 2D the blue flaps really shouldn't be too much of a hassle considering the level of stylisation at hand. I'm a 3D artist at the moment, but I started as a 2D animator and a lot of recent cartoons feel like they were designed and boarded (because let's be real here, the western studios don't actually do much animation in-house) by people who have little to no technical love for the art of animation- I don't know what does draw them to it or motivate them, but it's not making drawings come alive imo

No. 1868191

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>>1868179
>a lot of recent cartoons feel like they were designed and boarded (because let's be real here, the western studios don't actually do much animation in-house) by people who have little to no technical love for the art of animation- I don't know what does draw them to it or motivate them, but it's not making drawings come alive imo
Because they dont like drawing, they only choose to become ''animators'' to spread their troon agenda. They only enjoy the ''fandom'' aspect of animation, not actually drawing/animating. If you check the animation industry cow threads you see all of these mentally ill troons calling eachother out for being problematic, and when you check their portfolios it looks like something straight out a teenager's DA page in the 00s.
I know we have some industry fags itt get really upset when someone calls them out, but you dont need talent anymore to become a professional animator in the USA. All of the talented artists are working for european or japanese companies. You can look at 80s storyboards and they look 10 times more polished than what the average calarts troon can do nowadays with ctrl z and digital art.
I feel bad for 80s animators, they genuinely had a love and passion for drawing and they were constrained to work on shitty toy commercials, meanwhile modern animators have all the freedom in the world to potray magic, faggots, poc, a serialized show without toy shilling, etc but 0 passion for art and animation.

No. 1868202

>>1867794
I tried to speed run this within a year once after seeing it on the proko podcast or something and got so burnt out jfc. Taking it real slow now and I'm not much better atm, but still

No. 1868213

>>1868191
yeah, I know. It's just so depressing, I'd rather 80s toy commercial shows than the current lopsided vanity projects you see, as at least having to sell toys seemed to motivate production teams to try and make them engaging and fun for their audiences.

Also, for the anons discussing improving anatomy/figures, gotta recommend using something like morpho/anatomy for sculptors (or whatever other anatomical form guide you prefer using) to help you create an animated écorché or figure study, you will learn so much faster (even just making rotoscoped breakdowns will help) and they can be really fun. Start as simple as you like and work your way up to more detail (the site bodies in motion is good photo reference for this sort of study).

No. 1868216

>>1868202
You got burnt out by doing a course? I could only imagine if you had to work with art and had to draw for 8 hours+ everyday. Kek.

No. 1868217

>>1868216
nta but studying art is miles more draining than just mindlessly drawing

No. 1868218

>>1868217
Makes sense. Working is often not mindlessly drawing, though.

No. 1868220

>>1868218
Professional artists already went through courses and all the pain of grinding to be able to draw 8hrs a day. You are comparing apples to oranges.

No. 1868222

>>1868220
I'm saying that because i work with art and draw 8hrs+ every day, and i have not done any courses or grinding. I got better through working. That's why i say that working is not mindlessly drawing, because i wish i would mindlessly draw while i work.

No. 1868223

>>1868222
ok good for you, that doesnt mean doing courses is easy

No. 1868231

>>1868222
so? who says going through 20 hour courses is a run in the park? everyone takes it at their own pace,studying art is mind numbing,bragging about 8 hour sessions is not a flex you think it is kek
>>1868202
generally its best to leave at least 2 days to let the info sink in and implementing into your muscle memory since some habits may be hard to beat (i struggled alot with drawing line width) good luck nona! keep at it!

No. 1868289

>>1868216
did you ever do art in your life

No. 1868293

>>1867794
Is there a printable version of this? I really wanna give it a shot but I need it physically or else I'll just forget.

No. 1868306

>>1867922
No one uses for imagination construction. Just figure drawing/gesture

No. 1868377

>>1868289
probably not. 90% of these threads are amateurs with dunning kruger syndrome lol

No. 1868403

>>1867981
Oh wow yeah they really dropped the ball hard. Her pilot design reads as fighter immediately and the final version looks like modern girl who works out. No sense of her power or skill from a glance.

No. 1868488

>>1868130
tiktok effect. people want to LOOK like they're into the thing, they don't actually care about the thing itself.

No. 1868504

>>1867794
>radio runner guild
Big fucking kek do you'll not know that this guild was constructed by a giga /beg/ artist who filtered himself before completing the first round of his own regiment? Makes me wonder how many of you drama orbiters can actually draw in these threads.

No. 1868522

>>1867794
Whenever I see shit like this and the resulting sped arguments around it I genuinely wonder if you people even like drawing. Treating art as a chore to do just to get better as a reward seems unsatisfying as hell.
Like this whole regimen feels no different than those people who slather hundreds of dollars of skincare products on their face to have good skin when they don't need all that.
It's like you're punishing yourself with art. People who desperately feel they need to improve with their art like this will never be content with what they create.
I know I'm going to be seen as a twittertard but I see art as something to do that relaxes me. That's the reward, not killing myself with studies like I'm in medschool.

No. 1868525

>>1868522
No you’re right, picrel is a retardedly drawn out process and entirely unnecessary. Let me guess, these are all courses this dipshit created? And nonnas just fall for it kek

No. 1868548

>>1868525
Not even, redditfag picked every single /ic/ grind meme and threw it together without understanding or being able to complete any of it.

No. 1868555

>>1868522
It's just a hobby for you then. Maybe some people want to make it into a profession and there is nothing wrong that.

No. 1868560

>>1868555
Nonna professionals don't do this either. They value efficiency over a retarded long winded list that takes too long.

No. 1868561

>>1868525
>>1868522
Yeah, I see those kinds of regimens pushed heavily on ic and the users there oftentimes talk about wanting to give up because they hate "the grind" so I have to wonder if any of them even enjoy the hobby and process in the first place. But that plan is an okay guideline or starting point for people who have no idea how to approach fundamentals, even if it's obviously too dense to actually pull through on your own with the given time schedule. The mentioned books and ressources are fine

>>1867343
I'll never understand how this still happens. It's obvious that no one wants to draw an ugly woman I guess, but why is everyone so comfortable with drawing ugly men? I would not want to see those fuckers in any media. Hope this dies out when the aesthetic-obsessed tiktok generation makes it into the industry

No. 1868589

>>1868522
The irony of you saying you draw just to relax when the whole reason why the guide was posted was to help nonnies who wanted to improve their fundamentals after roasting Westoid artists for being shit in the art industry

No. 1868593

>>1868522
No this is good, nonnie. Art to some is a hobby, not a job. Some aren’t looking to improve so stuff like this is freaking noise and nothing else. If I wanted to grind countless hours to get good, I’d invest in my schoolwork than the very thing keeping me sane. Once your hobby turns into homework is the day one quits art for good.

No. 1868628

>>1868504
>Makes me wonder how many of you drama orbiters can actually draw in these threads.
Very few.
>>1868522
There's also the issue that, as a working professional in the creative industry, making connections and building a network is practically essential to have a job and earn a decent income. Working as a Twitter commissioner is rarely sustainable. I think some of you guys should seriously consider finding a career outside of art with a solid safety net.

No. 1868632

>>1868593
That's fair, but this attitude is the reason for the overall decline in quality that nonas were talking about kek you're all free to do as you want of course but I wouldn't say that fundies even feel like homework. Even if the subject is new or difficult it should be fun to explore

No. 1868639

>>1867794
drawabox seems like such a scam. scam on your time and effort.

No. 1868656

>>1867794
These "draw 100" challenges are such a waste of time and only appease autists who can only comprehend things in videogame logic. Draw 100 treasure chests to learn perspective? You'll learn how to draw a treasure chest, but not much else. You should structure your study after what your end goal is. If you want to learn perspective for environments, then draw fucking environments. Trace over a photo and figure out where the horizon line is, where the vanishing points are. Redraw the photo yourself after you understand it. Then try drawing it with a different horizon line and see what happens. Try adding new objects to the scene. After you can do this with photos, try doing it in a real room. Try moving around and seeing how the room changes. Complete this exercise a single time and you will be leagues better at perspective than some mouth breather who drew 10,000 chests.

No. 1868673

>>1868522
Idk about other people in this thread, but I already have a full time, nine to five, >40 hours/week job so I have zero desire to grind art after a day of work. If you’re in school for art or you want to make it your full time job, then yeah you should be putting pencil to paper but that “you must grind away to gif gud” mindset sounds like a recipe for burnout. Work smarter, not harder.

No. 1868685

>>1868632
I don't mind fundies personally. I want to improve since most of my ideas sorely need it, but in the end, it's my hobby. Most forget that some have lives outside here—crazy, I know. Some of us work, have kids, and pay off loans. 30 minutes is the best we got. Some days have filler but I can't be arsed to add an odd gesture of exercise or two to my routine. Too busy with studies as is….

>>1868561

cowardice. It's mostly cowardice and a side of misogyny. Men can be ugly, balding blobs. but as soon as a woman gets gray hair, her life's over. The first time I saw this was when all the female news anchors were swapped out while the aging male host remained. You couldn't have older women on screen without facing backlash. It's weird too, because back in the day, an older woman's wisdom helped a tribe thrive or civilizations prosper. Eventually, everyone grew to hate the elderly, and by extension, older women, for being ineffective stock. Ditto for ugly, gnc, and other "undesirables".

As a result, female character design almost exclusively features buxom bimbos under 25 with the occasional flat chested pedobait. If you find something slightly outside of that selection, some of it is still painfully horny and sexualized. Muscle girls with boobs intact, "plus size" ladies who look more like supermodel was stretched wide, or the frumpy nerd who'd wind up hot anyway. There's no escaping this nightmare is there?

>>1868673

couldn't have said it better. Still respect the grind and wish more new artists would stop being asses about it. Fundies won't hurt their families, but most feel as if they are being held hostage for it.

No. 1868707

>>1868216
Ayrt it engaged more of my brain to learn all this technical stuff I didn't know much about before, especially the way I tried to cram it like a highschooler cos I didn't wanna spend 2 years drawing 1000 treasure chests as another nona was talking about lol. Meanwhile when I do commissions I'm running on the knowledge and muscle memory I already have, which burns me out just a little less. As >>1868522 said though, following stuff like that to a T and treating it like a chore is gonna make it even worse. I was probably going about it the wrong way.

>>1868231
>good luck nona! keep at it!
Thank you, I hope I will

No. 1868727

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>>1868522
It depends on your goal. If your goal is drawing >>1868130 then you dont need to study. If you want to do something like pic rel, then you have to open a book or two in your life.

No. 1868729

>>1868589
I would argue westoid artist aren't shit because they're lazy, but bc they're attention seeking narcs who want to use art to fulfill their self serving fantasies. Like that honey and absinthe woman who wanted to be a showrunner after just a few years of working in the industry.
They're chronically online retards who spent their teenage years creating self insert fanfiction and as adults they realized they could make a living doing the same exact thing.
They have no respect for art and honestly can't compare to self serving artists/hobbyists who create not with a desire to improve but just to create. If we bring up the example in the last thread with the anime vampire pic, the artist very obviously sucked at certain things but still created a visually pleasing work because she has love for what she does. Western industry artists do not and their shit always looks terrible bc of it.

No. 1868780

>>1868727
I hate that the cat is rendered more realistically than the woman.

No. 1868785

>>1868727
i thought she was listening to some weird 1984 audio book kek

No. 1868786

>>1868780
how do you want her rendered? its fine

No. 1868788

>>1868786
The same as the cat and the room.

No. 1868794

>>1868788
but it is kek

No. 1868795

>>1868780
It’s not? It just has fur. That cat is stylized as fuck

No. 1868801

>>1868729
I agree, the decline of quality in the Western art sphere can’t be chalked up to westoids being lazy and not willing to grind. The criticism earlier wasn’t just directed towards the “muh style!!11” attitude. The valorization of deliberate ugliness for political correctness, the push towards abstraction, the putting of individuality on a pedestal, the tendency of social media to reward narcissism - all of these are producing a crop of artists who are making ugly or derivative work.

No. 1868806

>>1868801
and you think all of that has nothing to do with laziness? I say this as someone who prefeers western artists over asian ones, but the average western artist is lazy as fuck and unwilling to learn beyond making stick figures.

No. 1868826

>>1868806 I posted >>1868729, and I didn't mean that they aren't lazy, but that it is a laziness that has happened due to them being praised for doing the bare minimum. There is no reason for them to improve when they can shit out garbage art and get praised for it on social media.
Couple this with the fact that most industry jobs don't favor skill but connections, there is no point in applying yourself when that work will simply be overlooked. Most artists maintain a social media account which favors quantity over quality as well, especially Instagram, so there is so much that pushes them just to mindlessly create just to feed the algorithm rather than improve. It created this very disrespectful attitude towards art, turning it into a product to be consumed. As long as they make something popular that gets engagement and them praise, they don't care how it looks, and from that they don't care to improve. The Western sphere, especially the us, has essentially just become the fastfood of the art world.

No. 1868890

>draw on ibispaint
>my art is reasonably okay, i can sketch easy
>draw on procreate
>my art is terrible, i can't even sketch nicely
Why is this? Seriously. Ibis is free, yet it's so much better. I've been thinking of getting a waicom tablet, but I'm not sure if it's worth it because I already have an ipad and apple pencil. I used clipstudio, and I feel like my art quality was actually the best with it, but I feel like im improving on ibis as well..

No. 1868896

>>1868826
>Couple this with the fact that most industry jobs don't favor skill but connections, there is no point in applying yourself when that work will simply be overlooked.
I became bitter about online art communities when every industry artist said this exact thing, yet still pushed their expensive courses on newbies as if more than 1% of anyone buying a course has a chance of getting an industry job. The only industry artist who was honest about how difficult it is to actually get in was Feng Zhu and he closed his school for that reason. Marc Brunet, Tyler Edlin, MewTripled, RossDraws etc. etc. They're all still preying on the false hopes of newbies like the vampiric scumbags they are.

No. 1868915

>>1868896
I recently took a course from an industry artist and he said the market isn’t available anymore but also that we should all make friends in the class to have connections. Don’t know how that's going to help if the industry doesn’t want to let prospective artists in.

I would be curious to know your thoughts on Proko and other artist’s schools. Those seem better grounded; what you mentioned seem like all Youtube artists who cater to dramatics for views.

No. 1868920

>>1868896
https://fzdschool.com/ His school is still open. Do you have his interview? I’d like to hear it his thoughts.

No. 1868985

>>1868896

Same feeling, nona. This was especially bad during the pandemic. Every industry pro and their grandmother had a fucking 'workshop' you had to pay for, all for them to sit you down for 30 minutes to an hour to show you clips from a movie, and gloat about all their veteran friends in the field and MAYBE answer 3 questions.

Every single one of them wanted a piece of your stimulus check while they sat pretty on their credentials calling everyone else coming out of school or looking for work a sucker among their friends. I watched all this happen and became bitter too, but now with all the bullshit being exposed I feel like I dodged a bullet. Now nobody in the industry is getting hired/or they're getting laid off kek. It sucks but i admit it's kind of amusing to see those same people bitching and moaning about how they're being robbed.

Feels so good to be independent and not reliant on 'the industry'to help them pump out 'content'.

I couldn't imagine why anyone coming out of school now would still wanna work in an unpredictable environment, but I suppose I can chalk that up to young naivete.

No. 1869000

>>1868920

FZD school closed last year. Their site is still operating but if you do a little digging you'll see there's no way to enroll, and a quick Google search will confirm they've shut down. I don't know why it was done so quietly, but they haven't updated most of their socials since 2022.

No. 1869021

I'm so tired of doing art and no one ever seeing it. I know I should do this for myself but it's normal to want some praise and opinions on your work. I've tried multiple sites, tried using popular tags, commenting on other people's work, following other artists but at most I get 3 fucking likes. It's like I'm screaming into the void every time I post something and honestly it's exhausting. I thought my art was decent but I guess I'm wrong if even a stupid doodle will get to 100 likes while my fully rendered drawings get 0.

No. 1869025

>>1868896
>Marc Brunet, Tyler Edlin, MewTripled, RossDraws
Holy hell these asswipes coach so many naive artists into taking their overpriced courses, its so fucking infuriating. I've seen their courses they can't teach for shit pirated of course kek i am not wasting 200 dollars on how to draw mangaish art, Marc Burnet concept art course is somewhat good but the rest is shit sure they can draw good but they can't teach how a line should be drawn. Popular artists shouldn't be allowed to make "schools" atleast not without having experience in the field and teaching experience too.

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>>1869021
just keep posting, eventually it will catch on if you are actually good
> I thought my art was decent but I guess I'm wrong if even a stupid doodle will get to 100 likes while my fully rendered drawings get 0.
you mean like a meme doodle or rgkg?

No. 1869067

>>1868890
Could be due to stabilization differences between programs. Maybe adjusting that in Procreate could help, but I've heard other artists complain about it feeling bad too

No. 1869071

>>1868135
Pretty girl will never die. every new medium will create it’s own pretty girl art

No. 1869078

>>1869071
its so tiring

No. 1869092

>>1869050
Idk anon it's been years. I'm not saying my drawings are masterpieces but damn at least some attention would be nice. I don't think I'm THAT bad but idk.
>you mean like a meme doodle or rgkg?
I mean literal meme doodles.

No. 1869103

>>1869092
NTA but that's normal for better or worse. Silly memes are way faster to consume than actual art and people are more prone to rt/share them due to "haha so relatable #me". I would stay in one or two plataforms max and don't stop posting, eventually people will notice you (also keep in my most sites "ban" new accounts, you will need a month of interacting with others until the site finally decided to show your posts to others). And even if it makes you angry, those dumb doodles can be used as a weapon, don't feel discouraged if they get more traction than your actual art since they can act as free promo if they spread lots.

No. 1869104

>>1869092
what kind of stuff do you draw, original stuff or fanart? what kind of style?

No. 1869125

>>1869021
try joining discords and be active. Give feedback to ppl who are asking for it when you can, ask for feedback yourself. Leave reactions and comments when you see something you like. Social media isn't single player, you gotta find your community out there, gl nona!

No. 1869126

>>1868560
I agree, art skills don't need grinding it needs understanding, and so it happens that practising that understanding gets you results, people practice but they need to understand how forms turn In space, why shapes are eye-pleasing and how colours and light work, understanding is half the professional journey and mimicking the effect is the other half.

No. 1869128

>>1869025
Marc Brunet is such a hack, his latest video stole tppo's idea and thumbnail even tho he complained when whytmanga did something similar to him a few years ago.

No. 1869154

The discussion on what is better or worse regarding how to get good, reminded me of this video I saw recently. Yes the guy didn't get absolutely amazing, but he made good progress for someone who spend 3 years I'm assuming doing other things outside of drawing. Not to mention, he was essentially able to draw what he wanted to for the vast majority of time.
I think this kind of thinking is a nice medium between wanting to just have fun but also get better; rather then focusing on grinding fundies for 2 years straight, draw the thing you aspire to be good at, look at what could be better and what the artists you like do, and improve through that.

No. 1869157

This is more about design than art itself but fuck it there's art involved and I need to let this out before I go joker mode.

Man I HATE art and design schools so fucking much, mainly private ones. It's just so clear how the school doesn't really care about teaching you shit and instead just wants to use you for money and also to promote itself since they use the "best student projects" for self promo. I'm in a design and art school as a transfer student, I already know how to use most main tools for a regular design career such as the Adobe ones and etc, but my classmates don't know how to fucking open Photoshop because the school only gave them FOUR classes on it and expected them to know how to master the softwater on their own and then the teachers complain to them about how their Photoshop work is shit even though they weren't given enough classes to even learn the basics. Then when it's time for an event, the teachers and coordinators run around desperate for students to hand over their best work so that the school can showcase it all and promote itself for poor ignorant newbie students.

I'm just here because I just want my fucking diploma, but man I hate this. Every single fucking school is like this, none of them care about the student actually learning a technique or a software.

Sage because no milk only salt.

No. 1869174

>>1868685
No I get why women are drawn that way but I can't fully put myself into that position to make such a huge difference between genders. I would struggle if someone told me to draw an ugly or old woman because I have very few references to designs like that in my mind but if someone told me to draw an ugly or old man I would still struggle despite having plenty of reference material available because I just don't want to do that. Thinking about it now, I guess it all just boils down to heterosexuality kek the moids drawing those designs aren't attracted to men and that's why they don't care

No. 1869178

>>1869126
agree, I feel like a lot of people who come to this thread saying that they're struggling with the fundie grind/have been grinding for years with little improvement need to look more at how they're understanding the task at hand rather than assume that they already know. I see a lot of comments that read like the author has poor observational skills, which are hampering their attempts to learn (which is fair, online tutorials in particular often don't involve the topic in any great detail, and that's lens through how a lot of self-taught artists learn)

No. 1869181

>>1869157
Tbf no kind of college or similar school is supposed to teach you basics like you're a little kid. You're expected to put at least the same amount of or even twice the class hours into your self study phases. The profs and teachers don't care about you but they also don't have to

No. 1869183

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I really don't see a significant a difference.

No. 1869187

>>1869157
I get your frustration, but there's also nothing stopping your peers from learning their tools further on their own after gaining a baseline. I had to do that a bunch, especially when we suddenly started using Nuke to do compositing, and it teaches you to grasp new tools quickly and be flexible, as well as to have the discipline to practice and research the program

>>1869183
so tired of 'tutorials' and 'tips' that are just hasty scribbles, one depicting the artist's preference as 'good', the other 'bad/pls avoid uwu'. It's so transparent and useless. If you absolutely must bitch about character design failing to be transferred over to humanisations, actually do something useful like breaking down the original and showing ways elements could work with human features.

No. 1869190

>>1869157
>went to community college and had a bunch of graphic design courses
>department instructor was strict (submissions timed, automatic zero if you don’t send anything by deadline), would pay students to TA and help out classmates
>could work in the computer room at any time as long as a seat was available, staff let me unlock the room and use it on days with no class
I transferred to a four-year school, same type of program with required art electives
>1/2 classmates never show up for class
>computer lab is available 1.5 hours three days a week, I got kicked out once for being in it at 7pm
>everyone just wants to base their projects off of anime, like one student who only makes designs based off idols/magical girls and some other guy doing his senior project on chainsaw man
>instructors either act way too “hey fellow students I also have a 50pg phd paper to write and just call me by my first name” or just sit at their desk and try to avoid any discussion with students unless you walk up and demand they look at your stuff

No. 1869204

>>1869181
The problem was that the classes taught useless shit. One time the teacher spent literally one hours just to explain how do use layers , and no, he didn't go into depth about layer modes or how to do masks or clipping masks. Literally spent one hour to teach the entire class that if you press this button a new layer shows up and that if you drag it up or down then the element goes in front of behind in the canvas. He didn't even brush over other layer-related features or tools to at least tell the students to "hey these are other features, you can try them out at home" he just spent one fucking hour going "this is a layer". The guy had four classes to give us, and instead of using those four classes to actually talk about important features or tools he just re-explained the most basic ass shit and ultimately just wasted everyone's time, and then for the final assignment he was mad that most of the class didn't "use the software to its fullest". Of course they didn't, the dude didn't even mention other features or tools.

I don't expect teachers to baby us, but if you're a teacher- even more a private school one where I'm paying a good amount of money to be there, I at the very least expect them to do their fucking job or at LEAST pretend to do their job.

No. 1869208

>>1869183
It’s kind of annoying when they’re like
>yeah it’s not actually that bad there’s room for improvement
I had an instructor discussing character design and they said sailor moon was awesome because the characters have hair that differentiates their designs/reflect their personalities but said Pokémon was bad in the same breath because (most of) the women have the same anatomical design

>>1869204
One of my professors told the class that he learned photoshop on his own. A lot of students just think they can be spoon fed and then they spend half the class talking over the professor while they’re trying to show them how to do the most basic shit

No. 1869235

>>1869208

I hated being in a class that involved anything with a computer because I was always sat next to some bum ass on their phone the whole lecture and then they turn to me asking about shit that was just covered. If youve learned the basics of one paint program you've learned most of them and you can do it in an afternoon if you were actually interested. School was such a grift, I hated how much my generation was pressured into going through it for every little subject that didn't need a degree.

No. 1869236

>>1866133
Is there any specific tutorial that shows how to achieve this painterly style and realism?

No. 1869237

>>1869000
Interesting. Thanks anon. I was looking late last night and did a cursory glance. I did notice their gallery stopped at 2022/2023 and assumed they were still giving classes elsewhere.

Re online schools: I know Proko, Smart School, and Ahmed Aldoori started one as well but I haven’t heard if any artists came out of those places. I hope they’re not all scams. I would love to see more ateliers in the US but that’s a pipe dream.

No. 1869238

>>1869236
For the realism I'd say just regular studies. Study, study, study. For the painterly style..judging from a closer look the artist seems to use a textured acrylic-like brush without much blend. I think it's more of a matter of finding a similar brush and practicing with it until you can create something with a similar level of blending and contrast.

No. 1869254

>>1869183
this is a nitpick because I'm a weeb but I cannot STAND when normies refer to anime characters as white by default. When a white character is in anime they will almost always have a big nose, blue eyes, blonde hair and from either America or europe. They're so clearly and stereotypically white

No. 1869280

>>1869000
Yeah I was honestly thinking of enrolling but the option to do it had been removed from their site and from reddit posts asking the same question, apparently it wasn't a mistake and it had closed. If only I'd thought of doing it a few months earlier than I had, ugh

No. 1869282

>>1869174
lol, Nonna, I draw all my guys the same but I’m more than happy to doodle a fat old lady or some buff tomboy.

No. 1869286

>>1869254
It's because THEY see white as default so when they try to virtue signal about that they're just whining about a problem they are a part of

No. 1869287

>>1869254
It pisses me off because they cant fathom that these countries are mainly homogenous and white people arent the default. Like, oh sure, a dude with slightly tan skin, black hair and brown eyes named HIKARU is totally white.

No. 1869315

>>1869287
I would say it’s because 80’s/90’s anime came dubbed and a lot of the shounen/shoujo we were exposed to had blond(e), blue-eyed main characters. And the dubs tried to incorporate American cities though it obviously wasn't New York. Or you had Dirty Pair, Demon Hunter Yoko or Slayers and that was fantasy; no worries about race there.
Nowadays you have the next gen who can’t understand most Japanese women want to be pale and think all asians must be dark by default. It's going the opposite way now, funny enough.
I’m more surprised at K-Pop’s stringhold over anime/Japanese pop culiture. I prefer Jrock/pop , Jdramas/fashion and that never hit the mainstream like Kdramas and music and even manwha are today.

No. 1869326

>>1869238
brush type is not enough the artist knows a lot about planes of the face and uses them, and that will give you this look in any type of brush.

No. 1869335

>>1869315
Nah, zoomers are too young to have been around during the time dubs insisted on shitty localizations. Also, how the hell do you look at someone named Usagi Tsukino or Naruto Uzumaki and their Japanese/Japanese-inspired settings and honestly think they’re white?

It’s exactly as >>1869286 said, virtue signaling zoomers see white as the default. They’re used to seeing the world through the lens of muh representation so in their minds, PoC must resemble the ugly ethnic caricatures that pass as representation in the West. When they see East Asian people drawing cartoons according to their own aesthetic ideals, their brains explode since they cannot fathom the idea that Asians don’t look like jaundiced gnomes with narrow slanted eyes nor do they want to resemble whatever Weaterners pass off as Asian “representation”

No. 1869397

>>1869183
With how shitty this person did Tai lung I can only imagine how terrible human interpretations of the other characters would be. Po would probably just be a fat guy with vitiligo.

No. 1869418

>>1869335
Naruto yes but Sailor Moon had complete different English names and powers too. There was a lot of debate back in the day and if you weren't online that would cause confusion because SM was heavily Americanized.
For Zoomies I don’t know what they think I’ve seen more fan art blackwash or racially stereotype as asian (the yellow skin and small eyes) than I have seen them drawn as white characters. Again because they don’t seem to realize Japanese like pale skin and that not just white people can be pale.

No. 1869419

>>1869397
He’d look like Jack Black. That means the mantis would look like Seth Rogan. Gross.

No. 1869421

>>1869418
Adding- I think we’re agreeing on the same point but coming at it from two different views.

No. 1869425

>>1869183
Both look like shit.
Plus, in the original design Tai Lung has an overbite, but in the "totally accurate humanization" it's reversed. What happened there artist chan?

No. 1869431

>>1869425
Samefag I meant to say underbite I'm fucking retarded

No. 1869444

>>1869078
it's fun. let people draw what they enjoy to draw. weird to get so hostile about it

No. 1869501

>>1869418
But even back then in the mid-2000s, kids were clowning the shitty localizations and 4Kids tier edits. You’d have to be a dimwit living in white bread Bumfuck, Nowhere to earnestly believe that Sailor Moon and her pals were 100% true and honest Americans. In middle school everyone who was remotely into weeby stuff had some inkling that the anime on American airwaves was butchered or censored. That’s why Tokyopop and Viz came out with things like the 100% Real Manga label and making a big deal of not flipping the books to emphasize the authenticity (and thus Japanese-ness) of their manga. Zoomers missed the era of shitty localizations so them believing that anime characters are white is 100% hubris and Americentrism/Eurocentrism.

No. 1869521

>>1869501
I understand where the other poster is going but you are 100% right about this. I've seen retards fight about this before and they 100% think white features means white character. This is especially true when you get into character accuracy and blackwashing.
I've seen people vehemently defend usagi being white despite having a Japanese name and living in Tokyo bc she's blonde with blue eyes. And this isn't just mayo colored weebs but poc as well. I've seen minorities argue that whites get "tons of representation" in anime because the characters are light skinned with light eyes/hair in a lot of anime and Manga. Westerners (especially US) see white as the default in anime, not Japanese.

No. 1869554

>>1869521
Usagi’s portrayal could be because Naoko said Usagi isn’t a typical Japanese girl and acts very brash and emotional, with the assumption that she’s American. Not true but that could be why it has persisted.
>>1869501
Yes I was there 3,000 years ago kek. I’m confused as to why Zoomers think like this, especially for more grounded manga/anime where it’s obviously set in Japan. FMA/Trigun I’d argue is more Euro/American based but I don’t think anyone talks about that anymore. Again I’ve been out of fandom circles so maybe it’s regressed.

No. 1869559

>>1869315
>>1869418
>Nowadays you have the next gen who can’t understand most Japanese women want to be pale and think all asians must be dark by default.
>Again because they don’t seem to realize Japanese like pale skin
I’m not really understanding you, is this an argument against darkening the characters’ skin? I feel like a lot of these people are already aware that Asians prefer pale skin and deliberately darken the characters to go against beauty standards, so pointing out Japanese prefer paleness wouldn’t really change anything except encourage these artists. Not the same but think about how some gyaru would tan their skin because that goes against Japanese beauty standards.
I don’t deny it’s dumb that there are people who think anime characters are white, when anime faces are highly stylized and closer to alien proportions than any racial group. But I think the obsession with paleness in general is ridiculous.

Even some Japanese people like director Shinichiro Watanabe are against the preference for paleness in anime. I remember reading peach girl, had terrible writing but it was inspired by the mangaka’s experience as a girl with tanned skin and how she got stigmatized and seen as a ‘slut’ for her skin. Also see how half-black Miss Japan got treated when she was little https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Miyamoto

Am Asian (not Japanese) but it’s too depressing seeing how darker women from my country are treated, told to bleach their skin when they’re little, and ignored in media. Even seen family members edit photos of their own newborn babies just to make the skin look unnaturally white.
So honestly I couldn’t care less about some zoomer kids on twitter drawing some anime characters brown, especially someone as iconic as Sailor Moon who already has a million accurate fanarts plus variations that change their characters into punks or gang members or some shit.

No. 1869675

>>1869559
The character fanart is often ugly like other posters have pointed out because some western artists think most characters are white. I’m saying that modern fans might not understand they’re not white but asian which shows their bias. I agree it’s a bit silly because they’re alien anyways so it doesn’t translate to real life woth most designs.
Ganguro / gal is rebelling against Japanese standards agreed and I understand your struggles. Seeing Hana from Terrace House talk about bullying because of her natural skin and being half is what happens in a lot in asian countries.
I’m just tired of sailor moon reimaginings because they’re not creative.

No. 1869723

>>1869236
The artist anon posted makes a shitton of non-digital traditional studies.

No. 1869725

>>1869183
Why is this retard calling him white aren’t they literally all from fucking China

No. 1869865

>>1869725
>I think this character is white despite no indication of that
>ugh another white boy???

>>1869521
Yeah they're so used to assuming white even when they don't have to? For poc I understand always having to assume that and also disliking it, but for nonwhite made media I mean cmon. There are so many different hair colours in anime that blonde doesn't mean american. Unless they're specifically meant to be from the west, like Black Butler or that part of Jojo set in Italy, it's a safe bet to assume Japanese isn't it?

No. 1869911

why is my photoshop lagging so much when i try to draw on anything bigger than A4 file? is my pc really that bad, i just bought a new graphics card last year

No. 1869916

>>1869254
the big nose anime stereotype is kinda funny because in the west a small nose is associated with instagram white girls, and a big nose with anyone non-white which is why you'll often see complaints from twt genderspecials that in fanart a small nose "whitewashes" a brown or black character. i guess because japanese people have less defined features they think anyone who is non-asian has a big nose?

No. 1869938

Apologies for the weird question, but has anyone tried drawing with their feet before?
Not a fetish thing or whatever my hands are just slowly becoming more unusable and I want to continue my passion even if I had to relearn tools and wanted to see if any nonas had a tip or two

No. 1870108

>>1869938
A few threads back a girl that drew so much she kind of broke her wrists so she continued to draw with her feet got posted, maybe you can look her up.

No. 1870110

>>1869938
I know of two paralyzed artists that painted with their mouths, either holding a brush with their teeth or using some kind of rig

No. 1870120

>>1869911
how much ram do you have
art programs use both vram (gpu memory) and ram

No. 1870125

>>1870108
Probably kauchama who has recently been called out for grooming (having a strange codependent relationship with a 16 year old for a few months while she was 20) kek

No. 1870141

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>>1869938
Yes because I saw picrel and wanted to understand how she could feed herself and all that with just her feet. Didn’t make any sense to me even after I tried

No. 1870143

>>1870141
You have a fetish for this don't you…

No. 1870150

>>1870143
I think footfags are gross, I’m just a retard and was bored one day

No. 1870195

>>1870141
That’s a fictional character from a porn game, I’m gonna assume reality does not function the same as some guy’s amputee fap material

No. 1870286

>>1870141
iirc she usually has a friend she eats with and help her out throughout the story, she wasn't able to do everything on her own (smoking, getting dressed, etc)
although for those who can actually paint irl without their hands usually train for a long time so it's not unreasonable to think someone can do that

No. 1870437

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>>1869183
why would anyone take art advice from someone who draws like this?

No. 1870561

>>1870437
I'm starting to think this is a full-on doomer don't help me I don't want help thread. genuinely, what's wrong with either of the examples from this artist enough to make you apprehensive on their credentials?

No. 1870637

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Am I the only one who thinks Tsao Shin's art is souless? All of his gallery is full of shit like this since I remember, with one or two actually good fanart after 1 hour of scrolling.

No. 1870638

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>>1869911
Like >>1870120 says, check in preference>performance and see how much ram and vram Photoshop is using.

No. 1870640

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>>1870637
Wow you made me remember he used to draw like picrel. Cute art, not even once.

No. 1870652

>>1870637
I can't blame him too much for appeasing to a braindead audience to make a living. It probably takes less effort for him to draw generic cutesy fanart portraits than it would to paint full-on narrative scenes. It is extremely lame though.

No. 1870680

Im doing all of the stuff everyone keeps telling me to do. Why am I not improving at art. Is it possible to get any better independently? My art has plateaued at such a terrible fucking spot and I feel so disgusting about it. I don't want to do art anymore. Its been a few years now I'm still at the same place maybe worse off than before and I'm feeling like I'm not meant to be an artist. I've tricked myself into thinking this was the only thing I was good at and wanted to do but now I'm not sure either of those things are true and I feel sick. My skill is that of a sixteen year old Twitter artist. What's even the point anymore?

No. 1870688

>>1870680
Some people do plateau for some reason, I’m not sure why. There’s this woman I’ve been following on tumblr for like ten years, and the stuff she draws now is identical(ly bad) to the stuff she drew back then. Sometimes she does old vs. new comparisons and it’s actually shocking to me how you can not develop at all over so many years.
That said, idk if this is you because I don’t know what you’re practicing with or how.

No. 1870704

>>1870688
So basically for me, I started doing art when I was really young. and that started with mimicking the art in the pokemon manga and Arina tanemura's art. Eventually I got into how to draw manga books. I'd borrow them from the library and I feel like that's the last time I ever successfully studied art. I'd continue drawing the same way until I discovered I could make cartoons as a job around the age of 15 or so. I wanted to go to calarts lol so I studied a lot during this year long period. By the time I was 16 my art improved again. But not that much. I realized that I really didn't know how to study art. When I was 17 I watched a bunch of art tutorials on youtube but still lagged behind at improvement, I'd always get discouraged by how ugly my practice looked and revert back to drawing whatever was comfortable. Then I got a job and started doing commissions at the same time, I ended up totally burned out for an entire year and I just didn't draw. When I came back to drawing at 19 my art was so ugly and it hasn't changed since, I'm 22 now. Every character is 3 quarter view or just too ugly to show. Backgrounds look like they were drawn by a 12 year old for a middle school art class and I am just at a loss. So lately I've just tried my best to practice regardless of how I am feeling for at least 30 minutes a day but I'm noticing that I genuinely think I just don't know how to study. Lately what I've been doing every day is drawing gestures from reference photos, going through loomis (reading and drawing diagrams), and studying the art of the artists that I enjoy the work of. I just pick out the art that I like from them and try to draw a 1:1 version of it. But I feel like I was here before and I didn't improve then, why would I improve now? I just wish I had someone over my shoulder to tell me exactly whats wrong and what I need to do but it's totally on me because I'm broke and cant afford an online art course. I mean, I've been self taught my whole life and I'm realizing that might be more to my detriment than to my benefit. I'm stuck at this point where I'm practicing but everything I draw looks terrible and I can't even draw the stuff thats usually in my comfort zone without it looking like shit. Idk if I'm screwing myself or if this is just part of improving. Sorry for the blogposting, I just wanted to give you an idea of what I'm doing. I'm seeking advice on what I need to do in order to not be like that tumblr lady. I'd post my art but its too humiliating.

No. 1870727

>>1870704
Well, it sounds like what you’re doing now is good (loomis, gesture) but it sounds like what you’re lacking is actually analyzing what you are drawing or what you are copying. When you draw something and it comes out shit, sit and stare at it until you realize the issues and make notes about that directly on the page. When you study other artists, don’t just copy 1:1, try to summarize their style by figuring out the traits that make it distinctive and take notes on that. I did both of these things in conjunction with a bit of loomis over the summer when I was 19 after years of not drawing/stagnation, and catapulted my skills forward what seemed like several years worth of progress. But it was all about heavy analysis. You can’t improve if you aren’t figuring out what you’re doing wrong.

No. 1870741

>>1870704
I'm in the same exact spot as you anon and also I share a very similar background to yours, and I'm equally as clueless. I have art that is considered good and that people are willing to pay money for, but I find it lacking for what I actually want to accomplish as a long term project. I hope me and you eventually find a solution.
>I'm practicing but everything I draw looks terrible and I can't even draw the stuff thats usually in my comfort zone without it looking like shit.
This shit is legitimately crushing. I feel like I've completely forgotten how to draw lately. I've been trying to return to the basics and relearn how to draw a full body from scratch. I've been hounding shit from cgpeers, zlibrary, etc for a good while now, so I finally decided to crack open that folder full of books. I've gotten complacent, too complacent. I got comfortable in the crutches I used and the way I drew, because it was "good enough" to receive compliments and get commissioned for.
>I just wish I had someone over my shoulder to tell me exactly whats wrong and what I need to do but it's totally on me because I'm broke and cant afford an online art course.
I would literally kill for this right now too. I would kill for any sense of discipline and routine and for a teacher/mentor to point out my retarded mistakes.

No. 1870763

>>1870688
Thanks anon,maybe I havent been analyzing my work hard enough, I'll try and find a place to post my art maybe for critique so I can get a second opinion in case there are things that I may miss. (I've tried /IC/ but I havent found it helpful) I've tried to go online and ask my irl friends but they all know so little about art there as clueless as me. If anyone knows a good forum or subreddit or discord that offers free critiques and stuff plz let me know!

No. 1870764

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>>1870704
you sound excessively harsh on yourself, you need to accept (by accept i mean radical acceptance of the truth, not simply giving up on improvement) where you are now to be able to improve. you could post some work in the art threads here? maybe you're better at perceiving and your skill will catch up soon like in pic rel.

No. 1870767

>>1870741
Nonnie never have I related so much to another artist, the complacency, thats the shit that will kill you dead and it's so hard to break from. If we both feel this way though maybe it's normal. Maybe the part where we suck at drawing is part of the reeducation process as shitty as it is. I'm rooting for you! Hope we can become better artists!

No. 1870791

>>1870141
Awe, I miss playing KS. This was a surprisingly good game that I was worried about trying considering the origins, but it's pretty wholesome compared to other dating sims.

No. 1870809

>>1870561
That thing looks horrible, like a shitty adoptable. Why would you take design advice from someone who cant design?

No. 1870822

>>1870437
gotta love when you can see barely any of an artist's art and still have a pretty good guess of their fetishes and potential tif-ness kek

No. 1870830

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>>1870822
Just the brushes they use tell you a lot. She's a fatfag into furries so it makes sense she's angry at women making men pretty instead of fat ones. I have noticed a lot of the artists who get angry at women drawing pretty boys are into ugly men themselves. Its very creepy they are trying to force their fetish onto people under the guise of ''good character design vs bad''

No. 1870848

I hate this video so much, this persons art is so insanely goddamn ugly and her teacher is looking over it and he's praising her so fondly. Why? I understand that sometimes art may look "ugly" to the untrained eye and elements of cartoon art that the average person can't appreciate or mistaken to be simple might actually be really impressive to people who understand cartoons. Like Gendy's work didn't appeal to me as an anime obsessed teenager but now as someone with a better understanding of art and animation I can see why he is considered a master…BUT this is almost totally garbage. I don't see a single redeeming quality in her work. Everything she draws is short and weirdly stout, it's all drawn like she's thinking completely in a 2D plane, even her life studies. Her art has been so deeply influenced by Tumblr and Steven universe it's like it's all locked in. Even when she draws real life people they still have these stubby proportions. Even if you look at Rebecca Sugar's art, one of her clear inspirations, rebecca's studies are based in 3d. She understands proportions and she clearly has a fine grip on her fundamentals. This person has none of that. Why is their sketchbook being shown off in this way? I can't believe she's in college for art. I feel genuinely bad for her, she's wasted her money. These people didn't teach her anything. Is this the future of art in the US? This is what young people are going to school to learn? This poor girl is on the same level as me and I've had no art education! SVA is supposed to be one of the really good schools why do so many of the students this guy interview happen to be girls. Its like every once and a while he throes in a boy for padding but thats messed up, I shouldnt imply anything like that, the guy probably just has mostly female students. I guess I'm a little paranoid about predatory male teachers. Anyway, yeah, this genuinely makes me sad. This just feels so bleak.

No. 1870851

>>1870848
Not only ugly but insanely unpolished. I have seen ugly art that has merit to it, this shit is just the result of never opening a loomis book and never getting out of your comfort zone.

No. 1870869

>>1870830
I can understand being frustrated over humanisations being overly bishie-fied and losing their original traits/essence (because I am both a sped who prefers fanart to be more on-model and because turning a character into a hyper generic 'handsome' anime man is kinda boring imo), but she doesn't need to then push her version as being superior, especially since her 'bad' example wasn't even that extreme in regards to what she's railing against. I like monstrous/ugly character designs (both female and male), but yeah, it is weird when people try to push that in regards to self-indulgent things like fanart, and this artist is pretty transparently into certain fetishes (first I'd put money on is some form of biting/vore due to how the mouths have been drawn in the couple pics posted) and values their presence in art higher than others having fun with their own tastes. Pretty common with the intentionally ugly art crowd, who also like to think of themselves as superior stylistic rebels or some tripe.

No. 1870876

>>1870869
Humanizations are an autistic fandom thing. No one is humanizing characters to make good designs, most people humanize characters to fuck them, hence why most are bishies.
Also, a pet peeve of mine is when someone calls bishies ''boring''. Just because a character is attractive it doesnt mean they are boring. I find ugly male characters more boring since they are pretty much the norm.

No. 1870881

>>1870876
kek true. Also sorry, should have been more specific, but what I meant by a boring bishie/handsome man is the kind that would be generic even within anime/manga, not the concept of attractive male designs/bishies as a whole (I like them as well lol). Regardless, there's no point in making a dumb 'tutorial' about one being good or bad compared to the other when you could just scroll past or make and post the art you enjoy.

No. 1870893

>>1870848
Oh I watch this guy's videos occasionally to get ego boosts, and there's a far worse one filled with shitty pen doodles of FNaF characters while the dude just heaps the girl's art with compliments. This one looks decent in comparison, kek.
SVA is also the same school Vivzepop went to lol, I wouldn't expect much from it.

No. 1870932

>>1870851
>sees sketchbook
>ree how unpolished
Anons please

No. 1870944

>>1869938
Yes you can, it takes a lot of practice first. In my country there is an society for artists who can't use their hands, so they paint with their feet or mouth. Haven't tried myself though, good luck to you nona!

No. 1871009

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>>1870932
whats going on with all the underage retards defending ugly as fuck art lately? picrel is also a sketch and it looks polished

No. 1871014

>>1870848
I know Scott pilgrim gets flack but Steven universe really did ruined a whole generation of women

No. 1871015

>>1871014
and voltron

No. 1871039

>>1870848
Doesn't seem too bad but
>>1870893
is awful. I'm torn because it'd be pretty awful for the teacher to make videos just insulting his students work but all the compliments just sound so fake. Is this really what art school is now? I'm glad I didn't go.

No. 1871065

>>1870680
>>1870704
I'm sorry nonny. The same thing happened to me around your age after dedicating my life for my art, I plateaued after a break and found myself disgusted with my art and abandoned it altogether because I didn't know how to study art properly. All art books were so overwhelming in their detail and clearly meant to be studied with guidance, not just picking one up and trying to make heads or tails of it by yourself. It took me a 5-year break to be inspired to do art again, and I started developing my skills in leaps and now I feel like my skills are constantly getting better. Sometimes you get so stuck in something you've done since you were a child that you can't adopt an adult mindset for it so a break learning a completely different media (crafts, 3D modelling, graphic design etc.) would probably do good for your self-esteem. That worked for me.

>I just wish I had someone over my shoulder to tell me exactly whats wrong and what I need to do but it's totally on me because I'm broke and cant afford an online art course.

I know this feeling nonny. When I had an older professional showing me the ropes as a teenager I was developing so fast but once they left I was alone and things became so difficult and confusing.

No. 1871069

>>1870848
it's killing me that she leaves so much space in so many pages

No. 1871078

>>1871065
>Sometimes you get so stuck in something you've done since you were a child that you can't adopt an adult mindset for it so a break learning a completely different media (crafts, 3D modelling, graphic design etc.) would probably do good for your self-esteem.
Actually this advice is that some art professor's give themselves!,I've done art school although it is helpful for someone to guide you it's also best to discipline yourself to become a teacher! James gurney did a fantastic podcast on this! I am someone who can burn themselves out doing one thing too much so I make sure to try out different art mediums all the time. I would recommend keeping one art medium just as therapy (for me it's sculpting) whatever you do do not let it become a goal to improve use it as a creative outlet to relax yourself. Nowadays because of social media we feel like we should show off our all crafts and compare how we stand next to others but it's necessary to keep things to oneself for oneself own happiness.good luck nonnas!

No. 1871084

>>1870848
Art schools nowadays only care about accepting as many students as they can to generate profit. As long as someone can draw figures, even if they are ugly figures, he or she will be accepted. It also doesn't help that a lot of American art schools had mass cancellations of teachers back in 2020. Some of them were for justifiable reasons (i.e. sexual harassment, abusive behavior) but there were many that were extremely petty. At my school, I had teachers cancelled over being white and making bad jokes and for supposed "transphobia" because they didn't understand trannies. It seems like teachers now have to tiptoe around their students to not offend them.

No. 1871089

>>1871009
Looks polished or is it your preference in art? The video that was posted has a fanbase for this type of art. Your sketches look just as rough, I wouldn't call them polished at all. Not defending the moids art, but there is a audience for that type of look. Mostly its a lot of American and Latin America fans. Moe lovers need not apply.

No. 1871090

>>1871084
That's why so many schools have disappeared like some Art Academy schools. For-profit is a death trap.

No. 1871104

File: 1706546972976.png (944.03 KB, 1224x816, totally the same.png)

>>1871089
>Your sketches look just as rough, I wouldn't call them polished at all
please make an appointment with the ophthalmologist if you think that girl's chicken scratches are the same as art by professionals

No. 1871133

>>1871104
NTA but I think you’re comparing apples to oranges here. The sketches that you’ve posted take on a realistic expression, while the other sketches >>1871009 are very cartoony. I’m not a huge fan of that art style, but if you’re just looking at it from that cartoon angle, then the sketches are technically pretty decent.

No. 1871136

>>1871133
it doesnt matter because we arent comparing the style, but how messy and scratchy the linework is

No. 1871143

>>1871136
I think you’re overstating how bad the line work is. It looks pretty OK from my perspective. You’ll notice in the realistic sketch that was posted that line work isn’t some super neat, single-lined sketch.

No. 1871149

>>1871136
You are comparing the style though. You keep posting caps to compare sketches to it. You've now posted two different styles, and sketches at that, not even the style in which the artist rendered the images as a finished image. All I did was point out that your idea of good art seems biased not in talent or structure, but whether or not you like the look of it. It's just a personal preference because you don't have any actual knowledge in why you think it looks bad. That's why your caps of animals and anime don't hold up as an argument.

No. 1871159

>>1871143
This thread will go to great lengths to defend the ugliest tumblr shit kek sure anon if you think some tumblirina chicken scratches are on the same level as sketches done by a professional thats okay. Live in blissful ignorance.
>>1871149
No. I wasnt. I was comparing the linework. Thats why i compared the begginer tumblrite animal sketches to the professional's animal sketches. I posted the first drawing as an example of polished linework, not of artstyle.

No. 1871171

>>1871159
nta but i also thought it was about art style in the first post kek, mainly because i don't think it's possible to make the art style of that sketchbook look good, even the fully colored stuff in the video looks bad to me, like its another artist falling for the shape language thing were they just draw too many shapes that do nothig for their characters
>>1871104
is that thing on the left corner a monkey?

No. 1871175

>>1871159
I would suppose the inverse—you’re too busy getting high off the smell of your own gas that you are overestimating your ability to judiciously assess artistic technique. I already said the tumblr-esque sketches weren’t my thing, but you’re so intent on bashing the style that you assume anyone who is telling you that the technique isn’t shitty is head-over-heels for the art style. >>1871009 evidently shows some degree of technical ability, whether or not you like the style.

No. 1871178

>>1871171
>nta but i also thought it was about art style in the first post kek
yeah because most of you dont bother to read
>>1871175
You are stupidly retarded you are literally quoting my post where i used >>1871009 as an example of good linework. You dont even know what i was talking about because you are a fucking retard that doesnt bother to read. Go back to tiktok cocomelon retard. I will take my ban, i fucking hate you, you retarded newfags.(infighting)

No. 1871181

>>1871175
It looks like shit. Look how awful the only character who isn’t posed 3/4 to the right looks kek. This is just a weeb who can mimic things okishly as long as it’s from a specific angle.

No. 1871185

>>1871181
thats by a japanese artist

No. 1871190

>>1871185
Ok and a shitty weeb or otaku if you prefer

No. 1871195

>>1871178
>You are stupidly retarded you are literally quoting my post where i used
Are you not >>1871104? It’s not my fault if you aren’t being clear on what you’re referring to, because the post that I quoted definitely is not saying that >>1871009 is good line work. Or you’re trying to switch up your argument because I already informed you that both pieces were technically experienced.
>newfag
The only newfag here is you. Tard raging/alogging over a random on the internet? Kek, keep convincing yourself that everyone here is new just because they can see through your attitude. I’ve been here since before /ot/ even existed.

No. 1871202

>>1871195
> because the post that I quoted definitely is not saying that >>1871009 is good line work
oh my fucking god, i literally said ''picrel is a good example of linework'' you are mentally handicaped at this point. Go back to watching the thomas engine, this forum is for people that have reading comprehension above 3rd grade level.(infighting)

No. 1871206

>>1871202
You are (presumably) >>1871159, and >>1871136, responding to >>1871133, which is me responding to >>1871104. What are you trying to do here? If all you’re going to do is argue, then maybe that is a sign that you need to turn off your device and take a breather. Your behavior (if you aren’t trolling) isn’t normal and frankly unhinged.

No. 1871215

>>1871210
Thats not me. You have to be trolling because i refuse to believe someone can be this stupid, but also this is lolcow, so everything is possible.

No. 1871216

>>1871210
Being able to draw from different angles isn’t a style dipshit

No. 1871221

was not expecting a 'muh style' argument to come out of that unfortunate showcase of some random artist's exceedingly mediocre sketching skills kek

No. 1871222

>>1871206
Go open a book, for the love of god. You are literally intigating an infight because of your lack of reading comprehension. I refuse to believe you read '' picrel is also a sketch and it looks polished'' while using >>1871009 as an example and thought ''she said this is bad!!!11!!'' when i said the literal opposite.

No. 1871225

>>1871221
Anons ITT have the reading comprehension of glue sniffing chimpances.

No. 1871237

>>1871222
I’m not instigating an infight, it your language that is incredibly abrasive. If you’re >>1871009, then just know I was not speaking to you directly. You have to understand that this is an anonymous website, I don’t have the ability to track down every post you’ve made.

No. 1871240

>>1871237
my post was literally in response to another post that was quoting that post. If you are truly and oldfag(doubt so) you would have read through the entire row of quotes, which would have made it clear who posted what.(ok just move on)

No. 1871247

>>1871240
So what I quoted >>1871206? Can you reference which posts you’ve made?

No. 1871250

>>1871247
i though you were an oldfag? its seriously not that hard to follow the thread of the conversation unless you are clinically retarded(or a newfag). I bet you didnt even see the tumblirina sketchbook video so you commented without even knowing what i was talking about.

No. 1871255

>>1871250
Clearly you’re not acting in good faith. I was trying to be nice to you but all you’ve done is act like a sperg and derail the thread. I’m going to end this here and move on. I don’t care about this weeb shit as much as you believe.

No. 1871263

>>1871255
Because you started sperging and infighting over a post you didnt even bother to properly read. 99% of this thread infights wouldnt happen if anons bothered to read the post before making a stupid comment. You were accusing me of calling an artist mediocre/bad when i literally said the opposite, you also didnt even bother to read the posts i was responding to, which would have made it crystal clear i was responding to an anon who posted some TIF's sketchbook that looked very messy and unpolished. Please learn from this experience so you dont embarass yourself in the future.

No. 1871344

>>1870932
I think anon's main issue and what she means when she says "The sketchbook looks unpolished" is that the girl in the video's linework was just really at a true art novice's level which is not good if you consider that she's going to a pretty expensive art school. I get your frustration though, sketchbooks should be ugly, focusing on having an instagram ready sketchbook shouldn't be your worry when you're still just really starting to study. I think a lot of new artists feel a bit ashamed of their sketchbooks starting out when they really shouldn't be. I think what's causing concern in this instance is mainly the linework. It's very light and scratchy. It looks like she's drawing from her wrist rather than her shoulder. All of her lines, on top of being light and scratchy are super short and lack reinforcement. It's just not confident work. This is something that I do myself and am trying to break away from so it's really obvious when I see another artist with the same problem. It's not so much that anons are mad at Sydney, her only crime here is being overly influenced by steven universe, which happens to a lot of young artists. Her main job is simply to learn. People are more horrified at the school. All of the artists entering this school are at way different levels which means they probably don't have any standard for entry which means a lot of the kids that enter are gonna be taking classes they just aren't ready for and they are not really going to take anything away from them really. That poor girl with the five nights at Freddy's art was like a year in and still had the art skill of a 6th grader. I will give Calarts this, at least they have a consistent standard for entry. SVA is just robbing starry eyed high schoolers at this point.

No. 1871353

File: 1706560152038.jpeg (89.13 KB, 850x1209, svgkI1N.jpeg)

If the weeb/cartoon spergs were threadbanned 90% of the infighting would go away. You're never gonna git gud if all you do is draw anime. Do any artfags here make assemblage or collage art? Picrel is one of my favorite artists.

No. 1871355

>>1870848
I was looking over Sydney's instagram and her art just hasn't improved at all. Her art style just changed slightly. I don't think she's landed an industry job. Also she's nonbinary now.
https://www.instagram.com/simeone.art/
https://sydsimeone.wixsite.com/portfolio(this is an imageboard)

No. 1871372

>>1871355
This will sound pessimistic but I think the honest reality is that some people never get "better". Their artistic skill reaches a maximum then flatlines. The ability to visualize 3D spaces, intuitively understand color theory, and use hand to eye coordination is variable. Some people are naturally better at this than others, and everyone has a different capacity to hone these skills. I think almost everyone has the capacity to draw "well" (as in, learn the foundations), but not everyone is going to be able to reach Michelangelo or art master-levels of "well", if you catch my drift.

No. 1871382

>>1871355
>>1871372
You also have to realise that some people just don't want to improve and just do art as a fun side hobby. The girl just makes mostly fanart and doesn't seem to be wanting to do any with the few ocs she does post, as well as that she's working in animal welfare- so while it's a loss it's definitely not the worst thing that could happen for her previous skill level. Shame about the they/theming though.

No. 1871411

>>1871382
That's true, but apparently this person went to art school? I would think that someone who goes to art school is doing so for professional/networking reasons. But lots of people in art school are not artistic prodigies.

No. 1871452

Multiple times on previous threads people have asked how to use croquis cafe, and nonas reply “just pirate/torrent it”, and I’m so sorry for being a retard right now but how the hell do you do that? I’ve researched to no avail. Im desperate. Please, any kind souls out there… help a starving retarded Nona… pls…

No. 1871453

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>>1871078
>>1871065
Yess do sculpting.
If anything sculpture allows you to be more abstract with your pieces than drawing does. There's tons of artists out there to get inspiration from, and you can use sculptures to your advantage in 2d art to help you better understand perspective.

No. 1871455

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Anyone remember Ava's Demon? I remember some people here said the writer went down the gendie rabbit hole which is a shame

No. 1871458

>>1871453
Sculpting is a great exercise, I started doing it and having fun with a fresh media I also learned a lot about how objects work in 3D and was able to apply it to my illustrations. Trying out different mediums is a great way to learn something you grew blind to after being stuck in only one of them.

No. 1871465

>>1870893
"I wanna work at cartoon network and create my own cartoon"
Exactly as I said>>1868729
This is why western art is going down the crapper.

No. 1871468

>>1871452
Doesn’t seem to be on any torrent sites actually, at least the ones I use

No. 1871503

>>1870848
NGL I said "Hi, I'm Francis" when I heard that stock sound.

Talking about sketchbooks, some of those Calarts sketchbooks are quite inspiring.

No. 1871517

>>1870876
NTA. Tired of guys being consistently unattractive while every other female character a sexpot on legs. There's already plenty of ugliness in real life; why bring it into fanbases when escapism is the whole point? I prefer muscular yet attractive men, but I don't go about dictating what should or shouldn't be drawn.
>>1871455
Her art style screams Tumblr, but I had no idea she stoop that low. moreover, wasn't there other drama about her too? Like the time she got cancelled for not having enough gay in her comic? or the other times when shipping drama got out of hand? then someone accused of her of pedobait because of that one apple pic. Regardless, caving in must've been of her way of redemption, or a botched attempt at one.

No. 1871717

>>1871455

That's crazy I literally just saw her streaming on twitch the other day. It seems like her popularity has really died down and she's not as relevant as she was during tumblr's peak. My issue with her is just that her comic hasn't really made much progress and most of it is a slog to read because the characters are insufferable.

No. 1871762

>>1871455
I remember she had a mental breakdown over an insistent stalker. Glad she keeps on drawing, tho I've never been a fan

No. 1871874

>>1871455
man, it's so weird to think of how big ava's demon was back in the day on tumblr, it was like a proto-lore olympus in some ways, but then it just suddenly dropped off the radar. I never really followed it because I never saw anything about the actual story that interested me, but thought it was cool to see a webcomic on the site that was more ambitious with its rendered art style compared to the usual cell-shaded style or even just flats or lineart that were more common.

No. 1871893

>>1871452
just use alternatives if you cant pirate

No. 1872040

I figured out why I don't like my personal lolcow's piece. It's the fucking pillow shading. There's a strong light source behind the characters, but there's nothing indicating it on the characters. It looks so fucking bad.

No. 1872056

I want to be able to print my linearts on paper and color them with markers and watercolors without the printer ink smudging. Does anyone know of a cheaper black&white printer that uses pigment based ink? I'm really tired of tracing my sketches. I just want to print the lineart and start coloring.

No. 1872076

Anons who do commissions, do you prefer to use a platform to get commissions (such as Artistree, VGen), a Discord server (either your own or an art/commission server) or do you prefer to use no platform at all and just do it the old way through your account? I want to start doing commissions and I've received advice from people mentioning all three of those methods and I don't really know which one to use. I'm not very confident on using my own social media profile to market my commissions because my following and engagement aren't the most impressive right now so I feel like it would flop and lead to nothing.

No. 1872085

File: 1706633512807.jpg (294.45 KB, 1000x1414, tumblr_75c153ae6c16b85d0d5beb7…)

Anybody familiar with projectTiger, an artist who has been drawing one illustration every day for now almost 10 years? Link to her Tumblr: https://www.tumblr.com/ir-dr

I first followed her when she had just started and to see how long it would last and sometimes still see her illustrations on my dash. I'm impressed she's still at it to this day with seemingly never having taken a day off, yet I can't help finding her art style still very amateurish and that it has been stagnating for years. For a 10 year daily progress, it's honestly not that interesting. Makes me reflect that it's not just about drawing daily, but also about studying and wanting to improve your skills. Or not, maybe she's happy with her current bland tumblry style. Though I could never imagine it.

No. 1872091

>>1872076
I prefer to use my email. That way I keep my Discord private for commissioners that think we can chat and I don't trust a platform to get commissions. Ko-fi seems like a good alternative, but all the communication must be via email.

No. 1872142

>>1872085
This is good, what do you mean by amateur? Is there any terminology you can use to back up why you are saying that about this piece for something with no outlines, this is exceptionally good with all the excess detail. I don't understand how some anons come in here and complain about art, but provide no fundamentals to explain why.

No. 1872170

>>1871353
90% of the infighting would go away if this were actual drawthread And not a bitching about people who draw thread.

No. 1872184

>>1871717
>>1871874

Why would her popularity remain the same? She took a very very long hiatus.
Her older style was cuter though, honestly think she could have been a webcomic visionary. I loved when she'd animate intense scenes or the end of a chapter.

No. 1872242

>>1872085
considering she makes these in a day thats very impressive

No. 1872251

>>1871874
Honestly so many webcomics go down that route. Pretty much no one gives a shit about series like HINABN, Penny Arcade, VG Cats, HIIMDaisy/Cucumber Quest etc anymore

No. 1872255

>>1871452
If you can’t torrent on places like cgpeers go to /ic/‘s archive or some other site with file sharing like vk and use search terms like “model” “reference” “folder” “new masters academy” “pose”

No. 1872394

File: 1706654647216.jpg (56.18 KB, 960x720, triangle dilemma.jpg)

>>1872085
If she is making these everyday I can't blame her for not improving. Same thing happens to artist who decide to abandon their original style and enslave themselves to the algorithm. It's the classic triangle dilemma.

No. 1872462

File: 1706659656943.png (207.53 KB, 814x426, ppp.png)

ANONS what type of paypal account should i make if im going to take commissions and such? business or personal?

No. 1872490

>>1872462
Business. Easier for taxes.

No. 1872491

>>1872462
is that your own art? very cute! I also draw my own plushies

No. 1872499

>>1872491
yeah, i did it in 5min with my touchpad on paint, thanks nonnie i bet your art is really cute!
>>1872490
ok thx anon

No. 1872606

File: 1706673157806.jpg (109.7 KB, 540x764, tumblr_6f690fe9b70ff18e478fa79…)

>>1872085
Taking a quick look at her stuff I'd have to diagree. She might have found her comfort zone, but these look really good. It's not technically perfect but its very cute and she clearly has a good grasp on color, backgrounds and perspective, composition, and stylization. And of course being able to put this out in a day requires a very high level of skill and knowlege too. I think it's important to remember becoming the "very best" isn't the only endgoal for art, its totally fine to find a spot where you're able to pump out art that looks "good enough" as long as it enables you to make the work you want. If her goal is to make cute vocaloid drawings every day, she's doing a fantastic job at it and I'm happy for her.

No. 1872629

>>1872462
Business. Always make sure in use the Invoice option and do NOT let the customer send you the money just like that. Sometimes some customers send it as "gifts" for the fee, but if you get caught doing commissions, Paypal will freeze your account.

Send the invoice to the commissioner first, then work when it is paid.

No. 1872653

>>1872040
Post it?

No. 1872679

File: 1706684191929.png (172.37 KB, 890x692, 1687167509035.png)

1. how is picrel plagiarism?
2. what materials do you use to render like this?

No. 1872683

>>1872679
Photographs and use of a model's likeness can be copyrighted so it's probably best to credit them where applicable.
As for material it looks like traditional ink and watercolour.

No. 1872690

>>1872606
I'm very impressed she's pumping out illustrations daily I really hope she doesn't get burnout. Good for her!

No. 1872696

>>1872462
Do not use business of you're a eurofag unless you have an actual business. PayPal will find out as soon as you can't give them your company code and will fuck you up. Sadly we have to deal with giving costumers our real name.
It seems it's generally fine if you're a burgerfag though.

No. 1872716

>>1872679
Artist?

No. 1872717

File: 1706690119623.jpg (120.83 KB, 850x788, __manjuu_oklahoma_and_oklahoma…)

>>1871452
I found this one on an archived /ic/ thread, no luck on torrent search sites. Download the files with 100% availability first, there where around 20 when I checked. Hopefully someone will come online who has the rest of the files, through at this point I'm starting to lose hope.

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:3b61d6fae9ce9758dcb81b11fc057b6f60367415&dn=Croquis%20cafe&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.auctor.tv%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3A451%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.skyts.net%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.moeking.me%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fopen.tracker.ink%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fexplodie.org%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fuploads.gamecoast.net%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.tiny-vps.com%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.theoks.net%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftamas3.ynh.fr%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fretracker01-msk-virt.corbina.net%3A80%2Fannounce

No. 1872748

>>1872696
Really? I'm euro and made a business account and was never asked shit. That was years ago though, I recently remade my account to be personal and noticed Paypal looks completely different now.

No. 1872796

File: 1706700210726.png (1.34 MB, 1286x1968, virgin.png)

>>1871517
>Like the time she got cancelled for not having enough gay in her comic
Wasn't even that, she got harassed for having no asexual characters and being "acephobic" because one lesbian kid called her older brother a virgin nerd lord. I remember some people actually being MAD that the obvious gay character, Gil, wasn't going to be aroace.

No. 1872847

>>1872748
Same, but it has to do with how my country handles self-employment. If you tell paypal you're an actual type of business you will need according documents to prove that

No. 1872969

>>1872690
She’s been doing it for years, I imagine it’s probably a habit it for her, like opening social media daily for most people.
Honestly what I want to do.

No. 1873092

>Excited about making a game with my own pixel sprites, backgrounds, characters and style
>The time comes to advertise it
>I realize I have to suck up to unsufferable moids into porny vns and boring uninspired pixel games
>They won't even respond or feature me because it's not about some titty waifu and it's not medieval or stardew valley style
Sigh

No. 1873119

>>1873092
Did you not have a specific demographic in mind when making it? It sounds like your concept wouldn't appeal to that group, so try marketing on your own social media

No. 1873122

File: 1706727257821.png (1.4 MB, 1692x1416, thisguystinks.png)

>>1872085
if you want someone amateurish and stagnant, you should look at the Questionable Content guy lol (2011 on left, 2024 on right). +$10K in Patreon monies right here folks

No. 1873146

Anyone here follows the artist iuciferic? I used to find her art pretty interesting and followed her for a while, but after she started to do nothing but promote her own webcomic nonstop I got annoyed and unfollowed.

No. 1873166

>>1873146

i almost followed her once because i really liked her mecha art but then i got a bit weirded out by how she draws female characters almost always looking like young teenagers with a samey-looking smooth baby face and even came to the point of having a female oc who's "secretly 50 but ages slowly so she looks young", while her art of adult male characters looks a lot more varied and age accurate. gave me "doesn't know how/doesn't want to draw older women and thinks only young girls are beautiful" vibes at best and lowkey creepy vibes at worst.

i don't think she's milky though. at least i've never seen milk of her.

No. 1873234

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>>1873146
Her art looks so weirdly soulless. It's so clean and devoid of emotion, maybe it's also because she seems to rarely draw backgrounds and keeps everyone in blank voids. The stoic old man/cute girl shit doesn't help either

No. 1873253

>>1873234
webtoon style

No. 1873266

>>1873234
Her art has gotten insanely better in my opinion. Did she do a purge of her old art or something, I could have sworn she used to draw that white guy on the right with comically large manboobs?

No. 1873318

>>1873266
She still draws men with gigantic manboobs tbh just not that specific OC anymore. I haven't noticed that much improvement on her part? Unless you're talking about her Armored Core and Gundam art which yeah looks amazing, but her art featuring humans looks pretty samey to me.

No. 1873323

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>>1873318
From what I remember, it used to be even worse than that. "Insanely good" in reference to how shit her art used to be. It's generic now, but I'd prefer that over her old stuff. Sadly, I can't post it because it's all gone, but I think a couple of threads back she was mentioned. Also, she did delete all her old work, even her webtoon. It's all been paywalled behind her Patreon.

No. 1873324

>>1865058
Late reply but yeah. Sometimes I do feel bad for artists who put a ton effort into their pieces only to get overlooked, but sheer technical skill doesn’t stand out when everybody who’s that skilled is drawing the same thing. It all blends together for me and feels like I’m looking at the same piece over and over. Probably why I tend to prefer art with a more graphic style, because the focus shifts away from how detailed the painting is more towards color, shape, composition, stylization, and subject matter.

>>1865472
This is why I like to draw without a plan sometimes, or with a very loose idea of what I’m aiming for. If you’re trying to recreate an abstract idea/feeling perfectly you’ll always be disappointed, but if you don’t start with super specific expectations then you’ll get to discover the drawing as you’re making it. I also apply this to writing. I do need an outline to not feel completely lost, but I leave it vague enough that I can come up with new lines or scenes as I’m drafting/editing, so then it becomes a slightly different story than the one I envisioned, which keeps it exciting for me

>>1867666
Tbh sometimes I’m attracted to the occasional tumblr sexyman character and I cringe so hard at myself kek. I think it’s something about how the expressions are simultaneously intense and easy to read, which breaks through autistic face blindness to help people connect to the characters easier.

>>1867919
>The way they study is mostly doing figure drawing and focusing on specific parts of the body, like doing a whole sheet of feet/hands

Interesting, bc when I started getting more serious about drawing this is how I naturally gravitated toward learning. Nowadays I feel overwhelmed thinking I need to learn everything at once and barely even draw anymore. I should just go back to my old method…

>>1868130
Probably a combo of the other answers and an addiction to collecting art supplies, which can be entirely separate from actually creating art

No. 1873328

>>1873323
i read some of her webcomic back when it was still free because i thought that the main girl character looked super cute but then i got a bit creeped out by how she would draw the girl sometimes as a child with slightly revealing clothing and then would age up said child character into a busty goddess-type with skimpy clothing. call me a pearl clutcher but i don't know, it just gave me vague moid vibes. i also felt a bit uncomfortable with how she often draws child-looking girls with big older muscular men. i don't think she draws nsfw or anything of the kind but again i just felt bad vibes and noped out.

No. 1873332

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>>1873166
NTA but it’s funny you mention that because I could’ve sworn she got mentioned in a past thread and it was this >>916442
There’s a couple replies calling anon stupid and one agreeing, but I wonder what the response would’ve been if that “female/male characters I like to draw” image was posted ITT today.

Also maybe I’m reaching but I find picrel a tad sus lol. It’s subtle enough for nobody to accuse her of anything, but the choice to draw the crotch line outside the leotard + that ‘buttcheek hanging low enough you can see it from the front’ detail is typical coomer shit and this just looks like a kid to me. Granted there’s moids drawing way worse blatant shit so I’m not calling for her head, but the subtleness creeps me out too.

No. 1873333

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>>1873323
Twitter only shows stuff until 2022, but her full pieces and older work looks much more appealing. Maybe working on that webtoon made her simplify her drawing for too long and now she can't break out of that. Also a bit uncanny how every face/expression looks basically the same

No. 1873334

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>>1873234
I thought her webcomic and OCs looked cute because it felt very found family/adoption type of story which I do like but then she started to draw the girl aged up and make pics of them together with slight shippy vibes and it turned me away immediately kek.

Pic rel, it's that one Veil panel meme that was initially for character ships and couples. Sure, maybe she meant it in a platonic/"she's the light of his life because she's his daughter" but I got weirded out on spot.

No. 1873338

>>1873332

>the choice to draw the crotch line outside the leotard + that ‘buttcheek hanging low enough you can see it from the front’ detail is typical coomer shit and this just looks like a kid to me.

this, fucking this. yeah she's not super coomer level so i won't get the torches or anything but to me it always felt sus as hell how she'd draw that character looking like a pre-teen and put her in those high line leotards and also always make sure to make her breasts apparent when possible like in >>1873333. in the end it's her ocs and she does whatever she wants with them but it doesn't change the fact that it has subtle coomer vibes.

No. 1873343

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>>1873332
I diagnose her with normie/vanilla straight woman that's into size difference but also a weeb that's heavily influenced by coomer art which she doesn't question or think about because it's literally everywhere and therefore the style choices seem normal to her. It's like passive coombrain, she might not be cooming but she's replicating art people would coom to

>>1873334
I would've never guessed they were supposed to be in that kind of familial relationship

No. 1873402

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>>1873343

The way her chest is pushed all the way out like that looks so unnatural.

Yeah the way she drew picrel, I'm just thinking, she really didn't need to draw the gargantuan man and her at crotch height, like he doesn't really need to be there at all, honestly. Size difference is a slippery slope because it's all about the proportions of the characters and she makes it weird.
Also, she's got he/they pronouns on her bio, so…I'm not really surprised.

No. 1873408

>>1873402
Part of me really REALLY wants to believe that she just suffers from naive normie disease and that she thinks that they look like a cute "oh look father and daughter moment he just bought her a gift!" type of deal but. I can't help but sense near DDLG from some of her art. I think it's on her account but there's a drawing she made of that young girl with a huge male that's supposedly her biological father and he's just grabbing her face and cradling her in a way that stands on the very thin line between "sweet" and "kinda creepy".

No. 1873411

>>1873402
This looks like loli pedoshit. It makes me sad to see so many women into ddlg fetishes.

No. 1873420

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>>1873408

Nah girl this is some borderline loli shit, fucking disgusting.

No. 1873424

>>1873420
how come the girl's face has essentially 0 definition and rendering? it looks almost unfinished lmaooo

No. 1873425

>>1873420
every day i lose faith in women

No. 1873432

>>1873420
disgusting

No. 1873433

>>1873402
>>1873420

It's definitely a fetish of hers to draw little girls interacting with gigantic "sexy" looking adult men. It's worse because it's not even the case of her drawing adult women who just happen to be short- the female characters that she draws look specifically like children which just makes the whole thing stink of concealed ddlg/coomerbait fetish. It's just sad. Her art may look generic but it's passable, to see it being wasted in this level of crap is just sad.

No. 1873446

>>1873433
Her style isnt impressive, she aint no mgong. There are thousands of artists with her exact same style on twitter. Its the most generic animu style ever.

No. 1873449

>>1873446
i'll give her 0.1 in credit since she's a western artist with passable mediocre anime art compared to the flurry of literal shit on the online western artist scene. still a waste though, because her mecha art is genuinely really good.

No. 1873456

>>1873420
Not to tinfoil but the artist's obsession with beefy men and her having long braids with a similar shade of brown as this girl really makes me think it's some self-insert thing, like she wants to be surrounded by older men 4x her size who take care of her. It reminds me of the saagelius artist who's over 30+ and has a thing for old men over 40, but always draws them with '20'-something small flatchested girls. Why can't these grown women self-insert into their fantasies as women their age? Why's it have to be DDLG shit? I mean I know the answer, but damn this shit is sad to see.

No. 1873466

>>1873456
Because women into older men dont love the wrinkles, greying hair and prostate cancer, they love the weird ddlg pedo age gap dynamic. Thats why these women into old men never draw these old men with old women, its always with dainty coquette nymphettes that look max 16yos. Female sexuality is being ''desired'' thats why so many of these women draw older men lusting after their self inserts.

No. 1873468

>>1873466
The problem isn't on loving wrinkly old men or "hot" old men, the issue is the artist portraying herself as a little girl nymphette with said older man instead of just portraying herself as an adult woman. I don't give a shit if you have a self-insert OC that's just for you to ship with older guys, but if you portray yourself as a pre-teen little girl surrounded by massive muscular older men in a near DDLG situation I'm gonna call bullshit.

No. 1873469

>>1873468
But these women literally never draw hot old men with hot old women. They arent into the old men, they are into the ddlg pedo dynamic.

No. 1873530

>>1873402

Also is she standing on a crate or something? Kek. She's doing the most (or the least) to get that height lined up the way it is. She should stick to the mechs.

No. 1873681

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>>1873146
>>1873234
>>1873332
>>1873402
are you sure "she's" a woman, it says he/they on their account

No. 1873694

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>>1873681
Anon, a he/they on twitter who's obsessed with anime men is 99% guaranteed to be a TIF

No. 1873704

>>1873681
I used to follow this person before she enbied out. She posted her selfies before and she is 100% a woman.

No. 1873708

I found this tweet
>pro artist tip: take your old twink anime boy ocs u made yrs ago and
redesign them but make them fat / big / buff…you will not be disappointed
Why the fuck is everyone hating on skinny beautiful bishounen and wants to draw the most grotesque looking men AND forcing it on everyone's throat like "ew you draw twinks". It's all hairy bearded "dadbod" gross looking men

No. 1873712

>>1873708
>hairy bearded "dadbod" gross looking men
almost every time I see this shit it's by some squat hairy tif who's projecting hard and/or very insecure and makes very… crusty looking art. Some normal women are into more bara bodytypes in their art, but those tend to be drawn more 'appealing'/idealised, so it's whatever, and they seem to be content to stay in their lane. Trying to convince people to change their ocs to match your interests is always pretty weird, but especially so when you know they're just trying to surreptitiously get you to make coom fodder for them.

No. 1873726

>>1872796
>the word virgin is acephobic
>omg you're allonormative
Asexual people are so annoying kek

No. 1873733

>>1873708
Always feels like they are trying to show off much they loove moids since they are that ugly irl and that's why I always laugh at that shit kek I've never seen the same happening with female characters because men don't have any shame about being attracted to very idealized versions of women

No. 1873737

>>1873733
moids don't cancel and call each other out based on what they draw, honestly that's one thing that we could learn from them

No. 1873766

>>1873708
I dont know why these people want to force their weird fetishes onto other women. My tinfoil is that their dopamine levels are fucked after so much derranged porn so a pretty man becomes ''boring'' to them and they have to find new fetishes to self induce on themselves to get off again, like moids. Its not a coincidence all this fat/bara/dadbod thing started to become a thing in the late 2010s, early 2020s. Meanwhile women in the 2010s were happy with their twinks and pretty men.

No. 1873874

>>1873681
I know how you feel, I also thought that artist was a moid when I saw the DDLG near loli shit and the other coomer designs on her page. But like >>1873704 said she's a woman who just went enby. That OC of hers is 100% her self insert because she's based off her real appearance (or at least her heavily idealized appearance)

No. 1873908

I hate when people misuse the word "tracing". Tracing is when you draw directly OVER someone's else drawing or a photo, not looking at a photo and drawing it on paper as you see it. It's actually a fucking huge difference because the first one is super easy, while the second one actually trains your eye and requires more skill. I don't know why people pretend it's the same thing. By that logic, is any study based on a photo considered tracing?

No. 1873919

>>1873908
Only children think referencing is tracing.

No. 1873939

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Do you study nonny, or do you ''just draw''? I mostly just study because most of the time i dont feel inspired to just draw, and i wonder if there are nonnies who just draw but that find it hard to study.

No. 1873942

>>1873908
For seeking quick feedback, it helps. But when tracing as exercise or practice, a bit of Brain power is needed to comprehend the figure, subject, or shape of an object. On top of that, training your arm to maneuver it's way to a clean, smooth line. Reference alone works, but I'd argue if you're not breaking it down, you don't learn as much as someone who can look at it trace the figure in their head. I do agree that beginners and non artists toss out the tracer allegations like candy, especially the kinds where they've never experienced tracing as a learning tool. Even the old masters embraced it, something which alot of burgeoning artist (younger zoomers) don't get.
We live in era where using the same art style could risk cancellation, blacklisting, and ire from the "art community". Who am I kidding, community's generous–they're a Mafia. A Mafia bent on suppressing wrongthink through any means nessasary.

No. 1873944

>>1873939
Artist? Sucks it got cropped

No. 1873946

>>1873944
@PM_611a

No. 1873947

>>1873939
i struggle alot with this(although for me its opposite i fall down the study route too much to actually draw a full piece) its been a while that ive completed a full illustration than drawing studies and searching courses to horde all day its truly a never ending loop until i have a commission in the end i think it all falls down how you manage your time and keeping check of your art boost time (for me its midnight) its truly tiring..

No. 1873948

>>1873939
I very rarely study unless it's a group activity at my work. I work in the video games industry and been drawing for almost 10 years, I have evolved and learnt things just by jumping straight into drawing and learning my mistakes after. I do have Aspergers syndrome and learn really quickly when I do stuff on my own but struggle when being taught so that's probably a part of it.

No. 1873952

>>1873947
same. I almost never move from the lineart phase, mostly because color is something that doesnt come naturally to me, meanwhile the only thing i have ever been praised for is my lineart skills and how clean they look.

No. 1873957

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>>1873946
NTA but not even korean artists are safe now…

No. 1873959

>>1873952
share the secrets nonnie i want to be good at line work

No. 1873965

>>1873959
use a thin brush and ctrl z a lot lol

No. 1873967

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no thanks

No. 1873970

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>>1873967
holy fucking autism i was expecting generic animu boy with a beer gut, not deathfat jeff the killer kek. Its always the shittiest artists that feel the need to lecture everyone else.

No. 1873973

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>>1873967
I wanted to post in the tinfoil thread but it works here as well, there is a mass psyop for us to accept and be attracted ugly fat men and I refuse to fall for it.

No. 1873975

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>>1873967
i will not be gaslight into drawing piggies i will keep drawing my men fit and buff ,my pen my choice

No. 1873980

>>1873973
definetly a psyop

No. 1873982


No. 1873983

>>1873970
KEK amazing. he's like a thumb with teeth

>>1873973
the gru fuckers must be so happy

No. 1873984

>>1873975
At this rate this should become a banner lmao

Stay strong nonnas!! We will not succumb to the ugly fat moidfuckers!

No. 1873990

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>>1873967
This shit is so obnoxious. Why can't they enjoy their fat guys without acting so superior about it while trying to rope others into their types and fetishes? It reeks of 15 years old but they're like all above 20. Just stupid.

No. 1873993

>>1873973
Kek, isn't that supposed to be a joke? Saw similar posts some time ago with equality dumb bodies.

No. 1873997

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>>1873990
They are like this but unironic kek. I remember when we used to mock this comic as a neckbeard fatguy cope, but now autistic 30yo womanchildren believe it unironically. I have noticed a lot of modern artists are really narcissistics, they will really hunt you down until you turn your twinks into fat tifs waving the palestine flag.

No. 1874000

>>1873993
Alas, it could be shitposting but Poe’s Law exists, and it’s not too far from reality

No. 1874015

>>1873993
yeah pretty sure it's a variation of the 'this is the ideal male body. you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like' meme, figured anon was just using it to demonstrate her point regardless

No. 1874050

>>1873967
i'll take old man enjoyers over fat fucks any day, at least a grandpa can still look classy and handsome but this just makes me puke. it's unironically worse than some barafag art i've seen

No. 1874059

>>1874050
neither are good. fatfags are nasty and always come accompanied with fetishes related to oddor and grossness, and old man enjoyers are into the pedo age gap/ddlg. I miss when women were into pretty boys and the old man, fatshit degeneracy was left for gross gay moids.

No. 1874065

>>1874000
bro what? im pretty sure that was one of those “this is what gamers will look like by 2040” pictures originally. its very obviously a joke.

No. 1874079

>>1873939
i study to draw something specific. if i have an idea in my head and want to excecute it i’ll look up resources to learn how to draw it properly. i think this is the best method because it isn’t completely draining for me
>>1873970
he suffocates people to sleep in his rolls kek

No. 1874104

>>1873939
I'm the same as you. I love doing studies, but most people find them boring. I used only to post anime drawings and then I grinded on my art skills and now I can't draw anime anymore. I post only once every 2 weeks and it performs like shit but at least I'm focusing on advancing a skill I love.

No. 1874122

>>1874104
>I used only to post anime drawings and then I grinded on my art skills and now I can't draw anime anymore
hows that possible? anim requieres skill so i dont understand how you became unable to draw anime

No. 1874146

>>1874122
Nta but I understand the experience. After grinding realism for a period of time it took me a little while to get comfortable with drawing stylized works again, because I had to think about how to incorporate the style with the new stuff I was learning

No. 1874156

>>1874122
nta but it can be awkward to try drawing anime faces in particular, since (at least in a lot of common styles) they're kind of blank/lacking a lot of detail that you might get used to after doing mostly realistic studies/portraits and it can feel off to not include them… or you add them anyway and miss the mark kek. Bodies are way easier to stylise though imo

No. 1874168

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>>1874156
>>1874146
I feel like your problem is that you see anime faces as 2D planes rather than simplified 3D faces with volume

No. 1874271

>>1873234
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME, NOT HER

No. 1874292

>>1873234

I'll never understand how people are attracted to her art. Sure her mecha art is nice but it's obviously not her focus unlike her OCs and some human characters from AC, and her human character art always looks so flat and boring. Almost no backgrounds, the rendering is either barely present or just boring, the poses are stiff, the expressions are uninspired, even the character design is honestly kinda shit in her OC art. I just don't see anything in her pieces that I could perceive as eyecatching in any way because of how painfully boring it looks.

No. 1874348

>>1874292
The average follower of an art account isn't someone with a critical eye. They just like seeing something pretty on their screen.

No. 1874364

I started drawing a ship fanart but now i’m so embarrassing to post it. My friends follow my art account including some guy i used to like, so i started posting more on insta
I never thought that shit would be so cringy

No. 1874433

>>1874364
Make a new account and block everyone in your contacts or general circle. You don't want to mix real life with fandom shit

No. 1874462

>>1874364
I meant more in tiktok
>>1874433
They’re also pretty into the fandom as well, they convinced me to continue watching an anime that I ended up making fanart for
Idk the fact it’s a ship just makes me want to disappear. I know they’re going to tease me about it, actually if they don’t that’ll be more embarrassing

No. 1874525

File: 1706837068858.jpg (3.69 MB, 2000x3509, junosongs.jpg)

I hate this moid's obvious musclegirl/feet/lesbian fetish, his basic art, his terrible designs, his constant virtue-signaling, and his lame videogame music fan lyric videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xP7BQ4vKps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6J49bryPd8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qNqucUelg

It's all so bad and painfully mediocre at best, but fandoms slurp up anything I guess

No. 1874762

>>1874525
Tbh it's not terrible and for cartoons, the muscles are in the right place. The faces with the bodies is just jarring in some of them. I personally appreciate muscle women being drawn and for kicks, this seems funny to me.

No. 1874767

>>1874525
Top right drawing made me puke.

No. 1874840

How do you identify what country an artist is from based on their art?

No. 1874846

>>1874840
there's a particular anime manhwa style that's very very obvious korean, lots of colors and good use of light usually means chinese, cutesy anime is almost always japanese, realistic/semi-realistic kinda grunge style is russian, anime but going in a slightly cartoonish style with darker skin tones is south-eastern asian, tumblrcore/gendie stuff is american, super cartoonish and stylized in an interesting way is french/gobelins etc

No. 1874854

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>>1874846
I loooove y2k to early 2010s manwha style, it really is so beautiful. I also preferred reading them as a kid when I wanted something corny because I thought they were sweeter. Looking back the style is kind of funny but I loved it.

No. 1874858

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>>1874854
Twitter would call them real eaters or something because sincerity isn't in trend, I say they are lovers across past lives okay. I remember getting toward the end of this translation that was uploaded and crying because I thought they wouldn't end up together and it took ages for the final chapter to be posted

No. 1874867

>>1873990
Tbf I noticed all zoomers, specially zoomer artists act terminally 15 and stuck in their tumblr phase. No matter if they're 25 at this point.

No. 1874869

>>1873456
I used to be online friends with her years before she started her webcomic and can confirm it's her self insert. She's a petite black french girl IRL. She always used to complain about being small and being mistaken for a child because of her size and how "adult women can be petite too" which with hindsight I can see it as the thinly-veiled Ariana Grande smoll bean lolicon LARP it was. I don't have caps so take it with a grain of salt as always but that was my experience.

No. 1874871

>>1874867
I notice a lot of tumblr millennial are exactly the same, they can't move on or evolve from acting like they're teens on tumblr. Their sense of humor, their vaguely condescending wannabe-celeb way of interacting or posting online, everything is kind of suspended in the past. I can always tell who can't let go because they still talk, meme, and act like its 2014. It's very sad watching someone never evolve past 17 years old when they're almost or past 30.

No. 1874874

>>1874871
Fully share your sentiment nona. Fandom spaces promote a kind of arrested development in my opinion, and if you're an artist you are even more susceptible to it because it's not completely your choice to stay on social media or not if you want to get your art seen/work. It doesn't help that fandom post 2010 skews young and adults 23+ in the space are actively criticized as to their belonging in it, not to mention the ones 30+. There is an incentive into keeping yourself at the same level of maturity as you were younger in order to fit in and reach the young adult audience. But even if that's the case it's not a choice either, if you have to be terminally online because of your art career the lack of real-life, outside-world interaction will prevent you from maturing whether you like it or not.

No. 1874882

>>1874874
I now see 25-35 year olds evolving their vocabulary and posting style to try to fit in with 16-22 year olds as well so you get this kind of mangled medley of vocal ticks and learned phrases they pretend to only use ironically because they're trying to get younger people to like or interact with their posts, and it just looks like it was generated by a bot. They're honestly the most boring and uninspiring people alive but they can't ever stop referring to themselves as "the blueprint" of humor because they used to get 5000 notes on stupid tumblr posts and almost all of their online content is mimicking other tweets and memes and pretending it's their own. They aren't genuinely funny people and you can tell everything they do is artificial and honestly kind of echolailic. I don't understand why they think they sound or look cool or funny, its actually SO embarassing to be getting so close to 30 years old and you're still incapable of sincerity and use Stan twitter memes mixed with tumblr cringe.

No. 1874927

>>1874867
I think terminally online artists exist no matter what age- I remember being a tumblr teenager and interacting with 25-30 year olds who got into the same stupid spats online, vagueposting, ship war block problematic artist callout nonsense I’d see my 15 year old mutuals participate in. I also remember being 15 and bullying a then 22 year old for kinning a 10 year old kek. That was nearly a decade ago, so even if they’ve (hopefully) changed now they’re all solidly in their millenial years. It’s definitely not a zoomer only thing, it’s just something associated with terminally online young/young-ish people in fandom spaces.

No. 1874935

>>1874927
Oh god don't remind me about vagueposting, it's so pathetic and hilarious that it's generally 28 year old men engaging in it. Balding and being a catty fag on socials, just irritating and futureless.

No. 1874954

>>1874525
This art really be pushing my fight and flight into overdrive. So much cursed energy distilled into like…wth is this? At least that one gnc chick looks fine. Can’t say the same for everything else kek. And are some of these redesigns? Say what you will about the poke girls but this giving off some tumblr redesign vibes.

No. 1874983

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>>1874869
>can confirm it's her self insert. She's a petite black french girl IRL.
I’m so confused, she uses he/they, calls herself trans and gay(for men?), but still self-inserts as her female lolibait oc who she also draws as a sexualized busty woman getting handled by comically large, masculine men

No. 1874997

>>1874983
I remember unfollowing her after such an out-of-the-blue fuck terfs tweet kek

No. 1875156

>>1874525
except for the troons i really like these, i love when muscle women look like actual muscular women

No. 1875209

>>1874983
The two lower pics make me want to fucking retch with the way she drew the girl still looking like a kid while being grabbed by multiple men much bigger than her.

>I’m so confused, she uses he/they, calls herself trans and gay(for men?), but still self-inserts as her female lolibait oc who she also draws as a sexualized busty woman getting handled by comically large, masculine men


Lmao sounds like the typical case of her simply viewing women as a sexy toy for men even if it means sexualizing her past identity as one.

No. 1875464

>>1874983
> trans gay men
>self insert is a big tiddy anime girl with a loli streak
lol, kek even. I'm straight, but why are straight people like this?

No. 1875586

How do you nonnas handle drawing fanart for shows with a rabid fanbase? And if you post art online, do you feel like follower count is and indicator of skill on average?

No. 1875594

>>1875586

>How do you nonnas handle drawing fanart for shows with a rabid fanbase?

I usually just avoid drawing pieces that rely on memes, popular headcanons or shitposts. I used to draw for a fandom that was completely filled to the brim with nutcases, and I had two accounts. In one account I pretty much only posted drawings that were typical easy to consume, funny meme/shitposty content, while on the other account I posted more "serious" fanart. The "serious" fanart account was more peaceful by a LONG shot. Of course, rabid fans are ultimately unpredictable, but you'll most likely have an easier time if you just focus on drawing more serious, non-meme/shitpost/fandom headcanon-related art.

>And if you post art online, do you feel like follower count is and indicator of skill on average?

Absolutely not. Because the same way that someone can have a large fanbase because they are an amazing artist with great skill, they can also get a large fanbase for other factors, most importantly if they know how to cater to a fandom or a specific group. If they're very popular, charismatic and most importantly they create content that's "fandom food" aka content that the fandom can easily eat it up such as the previously mentioned meme/shitpost-y art, then their overall skill matters little because people will be following them for factors other than artistic skill. It's why you sometimes see those western twitter online artists with weirdly high follower counts even though their art is shit tier- they most likely either draw shitposts that your average normy/fandom brainrotted user finds funny and wants to share it or they cater to a specific group and said group eats it up (such as catering to the POC or LGBT crowd).

So no, follower count isn't a reliable indicator for skill.

No. 1875724

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Don't care for this guy and I hate that he keeps getting recommended to me, it's not like he has 0 talent but his stuff is just so…ugly.

No. 1875728

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>>1875724
His portraits are especially unappealing

No. 1875729

>>1875728
He looks so smug

No. 1875737

>>1875728
Ellen Page?!

No. 1875742

>>1875728
Ellen page looking suicidal even in a drawing kek

No. 1875743

>>1875728
fuckking kek why

No. 1875760

>>1875464
Because being straight is too boring for pornsick internet people

No. 1875834

>>1875724
I liked his art and the way he uses his art materials until he drew a TIM for Women's Month awareness. There are two days and a month for Kweers and his answer for the backlash he got was "be kind". No, bro, we are not to be kind when you drew a moid when there are tons of women that made history.

>>1875728
Funny how Ellen looks more full of life than she's now.

No. 1875858

does anyone else think Adam Duff/Lucidpixul comes off as pretentious in his constant lofty 'lessons from on high' attitude with all the fluff and metaphor? I used to watch him when I was younger and now I feel like it's all shallow pretense masked as 'inspiration' for younger artists, I'm competely jaded.

No. 1875886

>>1873234
…would

No. 1875890

>>1875464
>>1874983
At risk of outing myself as str*ight, i don't see the problem with this.(lost newfag)

No. 1875891

>>1875586
One thing I can add to prev nonas response is that you should also keep nsfw fanart on a separate private account if you make any. Porn can always attract weird people but if the fanbase is bad there will be weirdos who see it randomly and develop a grudge against you because they had to see something they don't agree with. They won't block you, but if you ever post a joke that doesn't land or anything that can be misinterpreted it'll be over for you because those same people will jump at any opportunity to get you now that you're on their bad side.

No. 1875909

>>1875834
>a gay man in a relationship with another man wished he were a woman because he fulfilled "wifely" duties in the relationship like cooking
>woman's history month
These idiot handmaidens istg

No. 1875932

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The tif kakyoin artist @brujoAri is trying to make a webtoon now kek.

No. 1875950

>>1875932
Samefag, it seems like she is constantly asking for advice or for her followers to write her characters for her. She also seems to get butthurt if there is any criticism of her ocs whatsoever. If she does pull through and starts one, I wonder how that will play out.

No. 1875992

>>1875932
at least she's finally calling the character's her OC's rather then being kak and jotaro.

No. 1876012

>>1875950
Her following for them is huge, so any project she starts about them is going to succeed. At least at first, maybe people will stop reading after a few months if her writing sucks and her social media will dry up if she only focuses on it and doesn't post it anywhere but comic platforms. I wonder if she even has a story to tell though, seemed like she always said no when someone asked her if she'd make a comic

No. 1876045

>>1876012
Thats the thing, I think she gets a high when she posts because she’s a NEET and posts stuff all the time and gets tons of attention, I wonder if she will be even happy working on a comic since she would have to put time aside for it kek. Tbh I wish her ocs were lesbians /normal straight couple then I’d feel inclined to like her work

No. 1876051

>>1876012
Her story is supposed to be some “early 2000s romance” but with tifs. It’s definitely gonna hit for the zoomers but I feel like it won’t be anything special.

No. 1876080

>>1876051
>Early 2000s romance
It’ll just be a generic romance with a corny AIM confession scene, an unfunny “pager = dealer” joke, and maybe one page with a bunch of trigger warnings at the top for “era accurate violent homophobia” when a one-off bully calls the obvious girl a faggot. Lame.

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No. 1876403

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does anyone know similar brushes for CSP?

No. 1876420

>>1876403
Some texture brushes, a regular round brush and a low opacity hard round brush with anti-aliasing turned off? Just make your own and play around with the settings until it fits

No. 1876442

>>1876267
>redefine the role of background characters
>challenging coming-of-age movie norms
>while teen protagonists do [bla bla paris popstars football], Kate and Alex embark on their own unique stories
>departure from the regular narrative where school dance signals the end
>defying conventions of traditional coming-of-age storytelling
Jesus christ kek did she really have to repeat basically the same thing 5 times?
You can tell a story’s going to be shit the moment descriptions of it focus on tropes(whether to gush about what beloved tropes it has, or to brag about how it’s not-like-other-stories). Just tell us what your story’s fucking about

No. 1876449

Yada, yada, yada- Lavendertowne sperging but this was a mostly based video coming from her. And her doctor redesign is kind of hot

No. 1876472

>>1876442
Well the small comics she's posted so far haven't been about much either, so it'll probably be simple slice of life stuff. But she says in her bio that she doesn't speak much english so I hope when she does she writes in her native language and lets someone translate for her or something

No. 1876508

>>1876449
I am amazed that she lives off art and has never improved

No. 1876747

Is an old video but I couldn't help but think how Calarts used to be THE art school that most artist aimed to before… Everything.

No. 1876858

Leaving this for some sketchbook inspo.

No. 1876958

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>>1876747
Most calarts artists come in extremely talented and come out with connections and taught to cheapen out. Many can and still do draw very well, but it never reflects in their commercial products. Even when making webcomics they can't take off the industry habits

No. 1877173

>>1876958
From what I've seen Calarts seems like the ultimate art skill destroyer. I've never seen a single artist who went through Calarts and managed to keep their art from getting absolutely shitted up.

No. 1877212

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>>1877173
Something something Rcarts. Although I don't think it was Calarts doing the downgrade, but her own ego.

No. 1877220

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>>1876958
This is actually by Shelby Cragg who from graduated Ringling and >>1876747 is from Carrie Lu who thankfully doesn't seem to have lost any skill going to Calarts.

https://curielu.weebly.com/

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>>1877212
yeah, rcd's main issue was her ego. i followzd her cow anttics and she had a huge attitude.
if you looked at her graduation film compared to her classmates' it was way below standards,and her art just kept getting lazier. but she always posted shit saying her art was perfect and she was better than everyone else.

No. 1877239

>>1877173
Not necessarily a loss, but art school pushes you to draw differently. Almost everyone I followed who went to one started developing in ways I just didn't care for. When art is a hobby you can fully focus on what you enjoy, when it becomes a career you're basically forced to develop styles that can get you a job. And since modern cartoons are oftentimes ugly the animation majors tend to develop ugly styles too

No. 1877241

>>1877212
Wow I didn't realize her style was so normal at one point

No. 1877244

>>1877238
june one is actually really good, what a shame she wasted her talent for internet good girl points

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>>1877244
yeah her traditional art was good but she mainly did self-portraits lol
also here's the previous year for comparison

No. 1877256

>>1877250
>>1877238
Whats crazy to me is that a lot of people ITT would rather complain that this art is ugly and tumblr-tier, but in the same breath complain that Pixar and Disney all look the same. I love these designs too.

No. 1877258

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>>1877256
you havent seen this one have you also she works at a animation studio now kek

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>>1877256
i don't much like msot of disney/pixar either. but this art is ugly and tumblr tier. there are strikingly original and skilled artists out there. this ain't it
also picrel and most of her output) was fanart, not original designs. these are adventure time characters

No. 1877261

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>>1877238
>>1877241
>>1877250
I still wonder what happened in her ego that made her think "oh yeah, I'm doing better".

>>1877256
>>1877258
Or picrel, the last nail of the coffin with

No. 1877263

>>1877258
>>1877260
>>1877261
You don't need to spam me with different variations.

I honestly doesn't bother me. I'm not going to go out of my way to look for this type of art, but it's not 'ugly'. If you didn't tell me who the characters were, I honestly wouldn't know and just take it as designs too. They aren't award-winning, but they are visually interesting which is a big point in animation/art.

No. 1877264

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>>1877256
Both Pixar and rdcart SU ass babies are ugly as fuck. Cartoons already look that ugly, so i dont know why you are pretending as if rdcart designs are unique and one of a kind.

No. 1877265

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Does anyone have any tips on how to get back to drawing? I used to draw a lot as teen but have no proper foundation like knowing how to do studies and what not, I broke some bones in my hand a few years ago and was working full time so i just stopped, and never picked up a pencil ever again lol, I guess what hinders me the most is that i feel extremely mediocre and incompentent for my age, i give up on trying to draw again because i don't have the skill level to bring the images to life on paper, i feel like i'm missing that middle school web unbeatable confidence that even the most atrocious anime girl with huge eyes and dorito chin art made you so so proud.

No. 1877267

>>1877263
no one's spamming you, different anons replied at the same time because most people do find her art extremely ugly. different strokes and all
i find her art offfensive on the eyes but i'll admit i have conservative taste.

No. 1877269

>>1877267
>conservative tastes
no anon, you just have working eyes. Rdcart was so ugly she even got dogpilled by fellow tumblrites.

No. 1877275

>>1877265
i am on your same boat, i started drawing at 20yo after not drawing since elementary school. Somethign i did that helped me a lot was taking drawthread requests and drawing characters i liked. Whats your end goal?

No. 1877285

>>1877265
following speedpaint and art tutorials on YouTube will help a bit to get back into art. it is cliché but practicing again, like min 30 minutes to one hour a day will help you a lot. everyone starts at art at some point so don't let your age or your current skills hinder your progress in art anon

No. 1877287

>>1877267
I don't mind ugly art, but I also find Picasso in that same realm of ugly if that's the case.

No. 1877289

>>1877265
Start from an intermediate level and go up. I always love shilling this book, but RockHe Kim's Anatomy guide just went on sale for people in the US if you want to buy it. You can also find it online. Other books like Color and Light are good as well. But In my opinion, it helped me to get back into art by studying more and wanting to hone my craft.

No. 1877337

is 3 paintings a day enough to improve my art at a quicker pace? i want to make the most out of all the free time i have right now. ive been really slacking these past 2 years. wondering if theres anyone thats been in a similar situation

No. 1877339

>>1877337
how do you make three paintings a day? wtf

No. 1877341

>>1877337
Depends on if you're doing those three paintings with the idea to learn from them or if you're just doing them for the sake of doing them. If you're doing those paintings with the idea to learn from them, then sometimes even a single painting is enough.

No. 1877357

>>1877339
nta, but once you get comfortable with a medium it isn't too crazy to knock out a couple paintings in an evening, especially if they're studies or fit on a watercolour sketchbook/canvas pad

No. 1877379

>>1877357
oh you mean studies? i though she meant full finished pieces which is fucking insane in a day. I personally have a very hefty studying schedule because i started late and want to catch up, but its mostly 'short' quick studies, like 30 min figure drawing.

No. 1877440

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>>1876958
I feel like this is slowly happening to pollovy, all the grunge has been sucked out of her art at this point.

No. 1877454

what do you nonnas think about chinese artists? they always seemed to be at a different level than westerners or even nips, some of the rendering techniques I see some teenagers or early 20s chinese artists use blows my mind

No. 1877457

>>1877440
Based fellow Pollovy fan. I've noticed this, too. It's kind of disappointing. Her art and animations are/were so good, but the art she's been posting lately is so boring. The thing is, they are still good and interesting to look at. But not nearly as colorful and expressive as what she used to draw. Posting this vid just cuz I like it

No. 1877461

Why is there always someone in this thread asking how to get back into drawing/how to git gud/how to get followers and where or someone bringing up "chinese artists" randomly as if they all had the same style. I know there are certain elements they share but it's all been talked about in this and previous threads. Just ctrl+F

No. 1877494

Has anyone ever thought about making a youtube channel? I specially like channels like moriah elizabeth and sibo that just try different art trends, i find them really fun. If i had the funds to afford a camera i would try.

No. 1877496

>>1877454
Boring dumb lame.

No. 1877498

>>1877494
everyone starts somewhere, lots of people start with their phone camera.

No. 1877500

>>1876747
I was waiting for jury duty once and a guy next to me told me he had applied there eight times. (I also applied but didn't get in and I thank my lucky stars every day for this.)
>>1877220
Oh god I think I saw Shelby around when I was there. There were always some weird kids who cosplayed Homestuck for Halloween.

No. 1877501

>>1877454
The male ones are fucking shit and boring, the female ones are amazing. It makes me so jealous that Mgong is my age and already that fucking good.

No. 1877557

>>1877501
> the female ones are amazing.
I should've been more specific, the best art I saw was oftentimes from women

No. 1877625

>>1877220
Carrie dropped out from Calarts according to her websites.
I really love her art and designs. Some are simple for animation yes but looks so appealing.

No. 1877776

>>1877501
It's the same case with Russians. I swear the girls whip up some of the most beautiful works. Even fanart their stuff is crazy good.

No. 1877784

>>1877557
its funny how moid chinese artists have the most soulles generic almost AI generated type of art, while the women draw amazingly but often have weird fetishes

No. 1877911

>>1877501
How old is she?

No. 1877957

What's your reason for art? What makes you continue to draw instead of giving up?

No. 1877958

>>1877957
I like doodle

No. 1877963

>>1877957
I'll die if I stop drawing completely

No. 1877969

>>1877957
two years of fucking around with ai art and i realized that unless this shit could literally read my mind it would NEVER be what i wanted it to be. also:
>practically nobody is drawing the thing i want in the way i want. i'd explain but i'm not trying to attract the local whiny schizoid
>i'm getting older and older (25 this year – that's not OLD but still) and i want a chance to draw these things i'm thinking of before i lose interest in them
>i need a hobby that isn't consumption or playing around in someone else's sandbox: art is perfect for that
>i scored a great screen tablet for cheap like three years ago and it's basically brand new because i've never used it. i will get my money's worth this year
>it's just fun. feeling my brain recognize new patterns is fun. i look at someone now and i'm subconsciously trying to break them down into boxes and shapes kek

No. 1877981

>>1877969
>practically nobody is drawing the thing i want in the way i want. i'd explain but i'm not trying to attract the local whiny schizoid
now you really gotta explain yourself kek

No. 1878023

>>1877981
Probably about twinks again

No. 1878035

>>1877461
I know right? It's like there's a bot in this thread posting the same topics over and over.
>Guys how do I gain more followers on my art socmed and make tons of money??? Spoonfeed me please should I draw furries
>How do I get good at art??? I've tried nothing and I can't come up with anything and I want to kill myself!!
>Why are Chinese/Russian artists so much better than westoids??
>Nonnies how do I replicate this person's colouring style?? pls help I desperately need to rip them off without studying
At least the AI art subject and lolicon whiteknighting don't appear as much ITT as they used to.

No. 1878037

>>1878035
its not like those are common sentiments amongst artists, no, it must be one single schizo

No. 1878039

>>1878037
Reading comprehension, for the love of god. Saying "it's like there's a bot" means "posters are bringing up the same repetitive topics over and over again multiple times over the lifespan of one thread".

No. 1878040

>>1878039
>comes to art thread
>why are artists talking about art related stuff ree

No. 1878053

>>1877957
Nobody (including AI) is making the shit I want to make exactly the way I want it made, and also I'm a maladaptive daydreamer due to a chronic need for escapism so I literally could not stop fantasizing about making a long-term project if I tried. I'm a poorfag and can't commission people either.

No. 1878056

>>1877957
No one draws the things i like. I think if i were a moid i would have never gotten past picking up a pencil because there isnt a single niche that isnt already covered for them.

No. 1878118

>>1878035
>>1878039
That's why I feel like there should be a FAQ added to each new thread but also at the same time sometimes it leads to new conversations about topics that haven't been covered (I've read through every artist salt thread kek, so I'd know). Although the Chinese/Russian art thing has only been brought up more often in the past 3 threads iirc
>>1877957
Pure, unadulterated ego, I want to be as good as art as I humanely can while having art in general be reduced to a side hobby amongst many. I find putting aside a couple hours a week to do study consistently helps, having no regular friends probably does too.

No. 1878161

>>1878056
Same, that's also why I can't fully get into popular media like genshin or something. Beyond the awful fanbase those men have already been drawn in every position imaginable

>>1878118
I feel like bringing up chinese artists has mostly just been an excuse to whine about mgong again. It's always farmers bitching about how she's good but her subjects are bad and she's pathetic for wanting actual engagement beyond likes. It all reeks of jealousy kek just sit down and spend 10 hours drawing each day without talking to anyone the way she's probably been doing for the last decade and you'll get there too even if you don't have the same genes

No. 1878164

>>1878161
>an excuse to whine about mgong again
Nta but this is so real, at this point I’m convinced that all the hand-wringing about her is just sour grapes. There are so many more degenerate moid artists (like that guy who got jailed by the CCP who legit deserves to rot in a jail cell) worth publicly shaming yet anons here hyperfixate on the fujo with a fat cubtboy fetish who has god-tier art skills every single time.

No. 1878166

>>1878164
It just reminds me of the rei_17 discourse again. Sure maybe her behavior is kinda trash but at the time to me it felt like a lot of the hate she was getting was from people jealous of her art imo

No. 1878167

I don't know what the fuck happened kek it feels like lately I completely forgot how to draw. I spent the entirety of september, october, november, december and early to mid january drawing up a storm and now I'm just gone. I don't even feel burnt out though is the thing, I just put my pen on the canvas and I legitimately can't draw a single person standing. I want to draw so badly what happened??? I guess I have to go back to grinding my fundies or something

No. 1878171

>>1878035

>Why are Chinese/Russian artists so much better than westoids??

kek those are my favs. bonus for the people asking about how to get as good as those artists while forgetting that chinese/russian artists are that good because instead of whining 24/7 they just put all their time into practicing and studying until they reach near perfection.

No. 1878216

>>1877911
a nona in the previous thread said she is 22

No. 1878239

>>1878166
>rei_17
Haters gonna hate and crabbers gonna crab, especially if it’s a talented young woman. But with rei_17 iirc the drama was mostly around her talking smack about other artists and characters. But for mgong, the anons here disguise their jealousy under moralfagging. Yeah she has fetishes that aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but the way anons talk about her, you’d think she’s as bad as shadman.

No. 1878243

>>1878171
Also they never consider that spending 100% of your time in the anglosphere being able to speak just one language you'll only ever see the creme de la creme of foreign artists. A lot of popular Chinese and Russian artists are notorious for tracing, photobashing and copying because due to the brutal soviet teaching methods they're forced to grasp for straws to succeed, they also have so much schizo drama most people aren't aware of because they don't speak their language and both countries are largely walled away from the rest of the internet, you can't even access most Chinese social media sites. Even though they do have high levels of talent 90% of the hard on for "non-western" artists is confirmation bias, exoticism and obsession for anime coom.

No. 1878247

>>1878171
>>1878035
>>1877461
>>1878118
The solution for this is Lurk More. When making new threads it's a good idea to link to relevant discussion in the previous one. It's up to the reader to catch up or not. Report posts that ask to be spoonfed the same old topics over and over.

No. 1878273

>>1878243
>A lot of popular Chinese and Russian artists are notorious for tracing, photobashing and copying

nta but this is real. there was one russian artist that i used to follow when i was younger (sadly they changed their url at some point and i was never able to find their stuff again) and every blue moon or so they actually showed how they often traced and painted over some photos and for their more intricate pieces they photobashed nearly the entire thing before painting over it. in the end they still could prove that they were skilled as fuck but it was clear to me that day that many of those god-like chinese/russian artists actually use many different methods to obtain that level of perfection that isn't just raw skill.

No. 1878291

>>1878239
>mgong
I mean even as a long time fan of hers I was still quite digusted when I discovered her pedo art and it hurt more since I've taken inspiration from her if you're comparing her with shadman (who literally drew cp of actual children and had actual cp) with mgong (who has drawn toddlercon and pedo art with her cuntboy oc) sure the severity doesn't compare but will it change the fact they've both posted porn with children in it? No.just because she's a woman it should be treated as a fetish and not degeneracy? There are many other artists like mgong you can take inspiration from aka the artist she copies from.just go on bilibili and youll find numerous ones with the same style I'm not going to put her on a pedestal just because she draws good and I'm not going to moralfag someone over liking her art its pretty and well painted but you have to point out it's hard to enjoy after you know her degeneracy would you say the same for the scrotes who draw lolishit but have good technical skill?

No. 1878303

>>1878239

the only things that freaked me out about mgong wasn't even just her art with uncensored kiddie porn, but more her written posts where she speaks with her fansbase detailing scenarios of how her oc preys on children. the last drop to me was one where a fan of hers detailed a full kiddie porn with mommy kink scenario and mgong kept praising it and saying how hot it was and expanding on what other things her oc would do to children in her story.

are there anons who shit on mgong out of jealousy? oh for sure. but that doesn't change the fact that it is undeniably disgusting that she publicly goes on and on about how much she finds sexual child abuse situations hot and then draws literal comics of her oc molesting kids. mgong isn't as bad as shadman and many other moids who engage with cp out there but her being a woman and an amazing artist shouldn't take from the fact that she's a disgusting person and that it's completely valid to feel saddened and upset with that revelation.

No. 1878342

>>1878161
>It's always farmers bitching about how she's good but her subjects are bad and she's pathetic for wanting actual engagement beyond likes
honestly 90% of this thread feels like perma /begs/ whining at more skilled artists for being able to draw whatever they fuck they want. i really don't think cringe yume behavior or fujos fujo-ing out is good or interesting art milk, it's just bitterness and nitpicking

No. 1878376

>>1878291
has she ever drawn shota besides that last piece that was more focused on the fat cuntboy than on the shota? to be fair i would rather she draw shota shit than what most female pickme artists do which is draw women getting abused and raped. She's a step above saagalies and most female nsfw artists who draw ddlg shit, women getting abused by ''badboys'' and big titties for the moids.

No. 1878379

>>1878376
NTA but in the past she did draw some shota/toddlercon. She always deleted he posts at some point though. She only became more "bold" with her shota interest very very recently because some years ago she'd try her hardest to hide or get rid of evidence.

No. 1878380

>>1878379
meh, still dont care. If yana toboso can manage to live her life without diddling children and get a job at disney i am willing to get past mgong's degeneracy because her art is honestly that good. Plus, like i said, most NSFW female artists draw worse stuff.

No. 1878418

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Im really genuinely curious how do other nonnies see art?Like how does your eye travel when you make or see a art piece because I can't seem to visulize it fully at all like I cant see a full piece as is only snippets(one of the reasons I can't detect a mistake unless I zoom out until its a small thumbnail, traditional takes time ) I know composition helps in this but I'm really curious how other artits plan it? Are there tips? And what are some of your favourite compositions?

No. 1878434

>>1878418
sillhoutte

No. 1878448

>>1878418
Drop the initial idea, keep refining until it feels right. Step back, adjust, correct any most . When the canvas is so zoomed in your eyes see pixels, I think it’s about time you zoom out and take in the forest first.
That's my take, Nonna. I’m not you, so it’s on you to figure what’s holding you back.

No. 1878499

>>1877173
I think it was SCAD for an artist I follow many years ago. They would draw in a very clean anime style that was honestly really good for their age, but within a year of going there their style got a lot more tumblr and boring.

No. 1878612

Do you think its possible for an artist to have different styles? like both handling realism and very stylized art. Having to settle down for one single style scares me.

No. 1878672

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>>1878612
It's extremely possible, there's been examples in prior threads of a challenge where artists draw semi realistically and then slowly make their art cartoonier/more chibi-like. Artists like MihifuHi also do a mix of both in their regular art.

No. 1878674

>>1878612
You don't owe anyone shit. Maybe some days it's cartoony. Some days realistic. Maybe a mix of both in off days.. doesn't matter as long as you enjoy the craft kek. Don't have much of a style but acquaintances swore I have one. Goes to show art style is kinda a fingerprint and just a mask to wear.

No. 1878678

>>1878674
I was thinking about it because anons said that once they started drawing more realistically they stopped being able to draw anime. Thankfully it hasnt happened to me, but i was also never good at drawing animu. I just like drawing tons of stuff but i tend to draw my women realistically and my men more animu kek
>>1878672
mihifuhi is still animu though

No. 1878687

>>1878678
Honestly based nonna. Sick of ladies being drawn as owo Loli faced bimbos but every single guy is diverse, distinct and most importantly normal looking.

No. 1878690

>>1878678
>mix of both
I was talking about when he renders objects and food in a semi-realistically way

No. 1878698

>>1878672
Lmao why is Kyubey eating eggies?

No. 1878706

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So I was just screwing around, looking for stuff on Pinterest and stumbled across some… admittedly really nice-looking art (but it had some tell-tale signs of being modern). I found the artist's portfolio site and started looking through their stuff. A bit of yaoi, a bit of yuri, but all with this vintage, turn of the century look to it. Then I found picrel and it suddenly struck me: troon. I looked them up on Twitter, and sure enough, she's an aiden. What a fucking travesty, 'cause this lady (her name is Marlowe Lune) is really, really good. Too bad she's retarded.

No. 1878716

>>1878706
there are thousands of artists with this exact same style, all tifs sadly

No. 1878719

>>1877957
It's the only thing I can do. Otherwise I have nothing going for me.

No. 1878740

>>1878380
agreed. Most female artist draw worse and don't hurt nobody. no point in moralfagging over artwork and fantasies that only exist in their head or on the pixels it's drawn on.

No. 1878756

>>1878716
AYRT, fucking pathetic. I saw the rest of this lady's portfolio and it's more of the same "hahaha I love history I'm going to draw women in riding clothes cause Im sooooo troon" shit.

No. 1878769

>>1878756
I fucking hate how most female historyfags are TIFs into Frenchoid history or complete moralfags who will crucify you for drawing an anime boy in an SS uniform.

No. 1878801

>>1878769
>will crucify you for drawing an anime boy in an SS uniform
Why would anyone want to do that, you’re just telling on yourself

No. 1878823

>>1878769
That and pick-mes who pander to trad moids.

No. 1878854

>>1878801
uniforms are hot
>>1878823
those are the absolute worst. There is also the Xirian tier mental gymnastic gold medal winners who try to spin old cultures being pedophilic and mysogynistc into actually being ''pro LGBTQ+''. The best thing about being a female historyfag is that i can watch all the death and suffering imposed upon moids and laugh at it, so why moralfag? the least war veterans deserve is being potrayed as kawiwi moe boys for female pleasure

No. 1878874

>>1878854
nta there are so many other uniforms to choose from… ss uniforms arent even terribly unique or fashionable or novel, just edgy and makes the artist look trashy

No. 1878883

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>>1878769
>>1878874
Reminds me of when burgers went after Sachiko just because she was a military plane sperg

No. 1878891

>>1878874
ok i will draw school uniforms is that better

No. 1878898

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>>1878883
I will never forgive twitterspergs for this. You dont know how incredibly happy i was that there was another female planefag in this world and that she was one of my favourite artists. I am so tired of women getting moralfagged to death when moids literally turn tanks, planes and guns into waifus and give them nazi motifs and no one gives a shit.

No. 1878899

>>1878874
nta but kek it's just a uniform. there's a difference between drawing a piece of clothing just because it looks stylish (because it was literally designed to be stylish) and drawing pro-nazi trash. grow some thicker skin.

No. 1878902

>>1878899
she sounds like the type of twittersperg that gets angry when people(women) draw police uniforms because 'ACAB'

No. 1878907

>>1878902

I love when these people start moralfagging on literal clothes because if that's the case then oops sorry you need to stop drawing royal outfits now, because they're evil colonizers and oppressors. also you gotta trash the whole art nouveau and baroque and rococo aesthetics because they're for aristocrats aka they're for evil rich people of the past.

No. 1878937

>>1878874
You remind me of my old bosses calling a greatcoat "fascist", lol
>>1878883
Wow no love for the Junkers?! Or the Flying Fortress?!

No. 1878947

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I encountered this IG reel and I couldn’t help but be taken aback by this person’s amateurish (to put it bluntly) level of skill. She doesn’t primarily post art, but all of her drawings are the same 3/4 view girl heads. She says her dream was to be an animator, but it looks like she’s never opened a copy of Loomis. It’s not a crime to not be a Leyendecker or to draw for pleasure, but if you were truly serious about a career in art then wouldn’t working on the fundamentals be a no-brainer from the start? Yeah it sucks to be unemployed and directionless after graduating college but if anything there’s no better time to study the fundamentals when you don’t have full time obligations like school or a job.

No. 1878948

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>>1878907
BRO don't even get me started on people who sob about Orientalism. I love that movement.

No. 1878954

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>>1878947
to be fair you dont require skill to be an animator in the USA. Pic rel is an aniamtor even though she cant draw for shit, and dare i say draws worse than the example you posted.

No. 1878957

>>1878954
also kek i just realized the weird fucking texture she puts on all her art now its so it doesnt get scrapped by AI. Imagine being that confident when you art looks like that.

No. 1878973

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>>1878954
Seems like a case of TIF/gendie induced art rot - she isn’t the cream of the crop but its apparent she at least has a bare minimum of skill to work in a career that requires drawing. If she stopped drawing foul cartoon porn I’m sure her artwork would automatically improve leaps and bounds.

Meanwhile, the person I shared draws stuff like this…It feels like something a 13 year old would post on Deviantart. Again, it’s not bad to be unskilled but it’s clear this person has no interest in improving on a technical level.

No. 1878999

>>1878973
how old is that artist? this girl >>1878954 is 30.

No. 1879024

>>1878999
I’d guess 22 or 23? Still young, but young people these days have access to more art education resources compared to 10-15 years ago.

No. 1879282

>>1878947
What's her @?

No. 1879287

>>1878948
You're giving me flashbacks of back when I was in a fandom for a JRPG series and the games had a player class named "Dancer" with some of the most beautiful outfits in the entire series and most designs were based on oriental culture but the fandom loved to moralfag over it and call it racist and cry orientalism even though one of the outfits was based off greek-roman dancing cloths.

No. 1879382

>>1878801
Not gonna lie, bad guys really do have the best uniforms.

No. 1879423

>>1879287
I remember when I played Ragnarok Online and they had a dancer class called wearing an arabic belly dancer outfit that really I loved. I couldn't imagine the moral outrage it happened today, especially because her advanced class was called "gypsy".

No. 1879425

>>1878874
To be honest I agree about this, I don't think drawing uniforms or even being inspired by the Schutzstaffel ones is anything to phone home about and I don't look twice at people doing it because I don't care but purposefully making it an actual SS uniform complete with the insignia to portray nazis in a flattering way is trashy and juvenile, it makes the artist look like an edgy contrarian looking to twigger le libz to milk for exposure through outrage.

No. 1879528

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How to git gud with drawing facial expressions?

No. 1879534

>>1878883
Holy shit this is literally just Hetalia, some of the characters look even similar kek.

No. 1879536

>>1879528
Do you have trouble holding a pencil or something? What are you even asking

No. 1879537

>>1878883
Great Britain is a cutie fr.

No. 1879549

>>1879528
Study from real life/photos (yourself with a mirror is also good), and also from media/artists that you like the expressions of (eg ref from films with acting you like for the expression you want, and take note of how an artist conveys expressions on their characters). Avoid copying 'sticker' expressions that are basically slapping emoji features onto a face. Understand the anatomy of the head/skull before you try to push expressions further, especially if your style isn't super cartoony and loose (even if it is, learn it anyway). Also always keep in mind that the whole body is part of the expression- personally I like to always at least include the shoulders when sketching- and things like slight head tilting can really help sell your characters' 'acting'.

Brace yourself for your early attempts looking awkward as fuck, especially when referencing from real life. imo it's very easy to draw a pleasant-looking neutral face and much harder to idk draw someone realistically screaming without it looking laughable when you're just starting out. Expressions were a hard spot for me, so I know the pain kek

Good luck anon!

No. 1879551

My color skills are awful while I'm pretty good at drawing.

Is it useful to start studying paintings relying on color picking? Otherwise I think I can't accurately guess the colors.

No. 1879556

>>1879551
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but no. Don't color-pick if you know you're bad at guessing colors. This is how you will improve. Force yourself to learn and improve from your mistakes.

No. 1879565

>>1879556
You're right. I never want to try it because I know I fail, and feel like there is no improvement that way. But I must persevere to see some eventual improvement.

No. 1879576

>>1879565
believe in yourself anon! try to frame it as getting colours close enough to what you're studying, rather than matching them exactly. Then, once you're done, look at your choices and analyse both images to work out if you're leaning too warm or cool, too saturated/desaturated, and if you're in the right value range so you can correct yourself as you go next time. No one has to see these studies either, so don't be afraid of them turning out meh, and it might also help to pic subjects with limited colours (eg paint a lemon in a blue bowl instead of a full landscape scene or idk a leyendecker)

No. 1879661

>>1879576
Thank you very much for the encouragement and advice. I will do my best, because I know colors used properly make everything much more interesting!

No. 1879669

nonnies, what could a pinup artist do to make guys appealing to women? speaking about myself lol. I want largely female following but I hate insta and paywalling…

No. 1879680

>>1879669
God knows. When I drew mainly men who were hot to me, a bunch of gay guys followed me.
Probably anime bishies? I was drawing scrawny but Western-styled illustrated dudes.

No. 1879701

>>1879669
Do you not have any preferences yourself? You're not going to get an objective opinion on what women like on lolcow of all places. Draw what you like most or look at the stuff the people you follow draw and then what kind of people follow them and such. But I don't get why you're approaching it like that. Like, I'm sure Kooleen has a majority female fanbase but I don't think you want to draw like her

No. 1879711

>>1879701
her art's not my cup of tea. I know she jokes around about it but c'mon, it still dull kek. But if you wanna know, AIRT I like beefy guys with pretty but still rugged features. long hair is optional but anything shorter than neck length is instant pass. Only like body hair for seasoning. Seen far too many bara art where the guy looks like a sasquatch than a human. but like, I also kinda like bishes as long as they got some meat to them.

No. 1879728

>>1879669
If you don't know what to draw, throw everything at the wall until you see what sticks. As long as it doesn't look like TIF art you're fine.

No. 1879741

>>1879711
What the hell, we have similar tastes kek what's keeping you from just drawing and posting that? Once you build up an audience you can ask them for opinions on what other things they'd like to see

No. 1879801

>>1879711
>>1879669
Draw what you like Nona. If you like it, there’s definitely other women out there who enjoy it too. Even if you think your own taste is niche, that just means women who like the same type of men as you will be even more eager and hungry to see you draw their type.

No. 1879820

>>1878874
>ss uniforms arent even terribly unique or fashionable or novel

Hugo Boss designed them. That explains it.

No. 1879835

>>1878769
I feel this in my soul.

>>1878898
Same. I'm into WWI aeroplanes, and the one planefag that loved the Red Baron enough to make a comic about him is a troon who neatly on her page explains that she doesn't want to interact with people who wrongthink, or in any way, shape, or form post about anything remotely related to Germany during WWII because that makes us nazi fetishists, and they make her sick.

I also like pilots from WWII, but my fav is German. Don't get me started on the historyfags that like German pilots from WWII, they're all about shipping Hitler with Goebbels and often into guro (no judgement but it's not my thing), but their bio says 'TERF DNI'.

These people have made it so that I'm afraid to talk about or share my hobby in online spaces where I used to be able to meet fellow historyfags. It's tainted my love for the Red Baron, since I now have to associate what could have been a fun thing with her illustrations and by extension this entitled troon attitude.

It's literally more important for them to engage in their strange religion with fellow worshippers, than for them to find other people into the same niche shit, without considering what effect this has on their niche as a whole.

No. 1879848

>>1878883
Is there any proof anyone freaked out about these? I don’t remember any drama from them being on her Deviantart and I’m from the mid 2000s livejournal Hetalia gen.

No. 1879911

>>1879848
It was on twitter and tumblr, there was a big blow up about it around 2018/2019 iirc and some retards attacked her directly, causing her to apologise for it. I don't have the time to look for the caps but I'm sure other nonas could.

No. 1879950

>>1879425
whats the different between making a reference like >>1878898 and just drawing an accurate portray? i personally dont want to own the libs or anything i just like history and i dont see the point in making a ''hint'' vs just drawing it accurately. Some people think everyone is in constant contrarian mode and i find that baffling, reminds me of those trannies that purposefully blackwash characters just to be contrarian and attentionwhoring as if anyone cares they draw a black and morbidly obese version of miku.

No. 1879955

>>1879669
sexy clothes, a fully dressed boring guy does nothing for me

No. 1879967

>>1879425
Except it is possible to accurately draw a military uniform without making it a trashy edgy reference. Any human being with a minimum of brainpower should be able to tell when an artist draws a uniform/a military theme just for the hell of it/with no ill intent or when they actually have the intent to be edgy and provocative in a trashy manner. Maybe the artist drew the SS uniform because they just wanted to study it as a piece of clothing, because Big News, the Nazi uniforms were specifically designed to be visually pleasing and stylish and it shouldn't be a crime to admit it because they're just clothing. Now if the artist is going out of their way to draw focus to the swastikas or purposefully drawing scenes and situations in poor taste with characters wearing that uniform, then yeah, it's shitty.

No. 1879973

>>1879967
> the Nazi uniforms were specifically designed to be visually pleasing and stylish and it shouldn't be a crime to admit it because they're just clothing.
contrarian chans will tell you they are actually ugly and trashy even though pretty much everyone agrees they are the most elegant and recognizable military uniforms.

No. 1880089

>>1879911
>2018/2019
Ooh ok, I definitely would have missed that. Kind of shitty for them to go after her for something that old.

No. 1880199

Because of depression I find motivating myself to draw difficult growing up and still now. How much daily or weekly drawing would you say it took you to reach an intermediate level? How much of that was art pieces for fun versus dedicated studying?

No. 1880239

>>1880199
no one here is above begginer level, sorry nonny

No. 1880343

>>1878883
I could understand a sexy SS being edgy but this is so tame. It includes all kind of countries during ww2 and has a focus on the military tech. It'd be like calling girls und panzers edgy. And where does the line end anyway? If drawing ww2 germans is too much because of their atrocities, why aren't the colonial era england and france off limits? Or the vikings or the aztecs? Or any civilization that had slaves, including china and egypt? Nazi girlies on dA in 2009 just made you roll your eyes. Comes to me as just an excuse to bash female artists as always

No. 1880476

>>1880199
What do you consider an art piece for fun vs one for study? And how long on average would you say it'd take you to finish either?

No. 1880600

>>1880343
A lot of those moralfags will come with the excuse "WW2 is much more recent than all of those eras and there are still nazis today!" but then start whining about generational bigotry and harping on and on about generational debt and colonialism also still being relevant to this day- but let's all be honest here, those people love some colonizers and monarchist eras because they were aesthetically pleasing. The same way the SS and most nazi uniforms were made to look good, so were things such as Versailles and the french monarchy outfits from the revolution era, or the typical British monarch eras such as Victorian. Those people just love to cherry pick what "evil" looks better and "acceptable" in their books. It all boils down to the same things as ever: moralfagging, and bullying female artists to control what they can and can't draw.

No. 1880804

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>>1879848
She made a whole apology post over it. Twitter retards were freaking out over this post (https://twitter.com/sac_macaroni/status/1684770361429401600) in particular.

No. 1880826

>>1880804
Oh my fucking god I hate these people. But drawing kids with zipper tits it's totally okay and educated!!1

I wouldn't know what I would do if this ever happen to me. Are you at risk of losing job opportunities for things like these?

No. 1880920

how do you not get shadowbanned from twitter? i just made an account and got instantly shadow banned

No. 1880923

>>1880804
Why the fuck does she care so much? German military uniforms are historical anyway

No. 1880925

>>1878883
>>1878898
It makes me mad too. Women need to stop bowing down to these gendies. Who tf cares what they care about historical planes and uniforms. They want history censored or something?

No. 1880926

>>1880923
her fanbase is mostly tifs, sadly

No. 1880929

>>1880920
I think new accounts get shadowbanned basically as soon as they are made, you have to interact with stuff so they'll undo it. And you can't just tweet either, it has to be some interaction with others

No. 1880933

>>1880926
Sounds like her problem. I would just ignore them

No. 1880948

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>>1880933
NTA but she generally seems like a meek person and I can't imagine being bitched at for years on end about something you thought was incosequential by retarded burgers would be good for you. It's not her fault Kenichi brought TIFs over to her account just because he happens to look like Will Graham

No. 1880982

>>1878948
This, omg. I love orientalist art and want to do some myself but keeping up with what is and isn’t problematic is tiresome. I just wanna draw cool stuff not be lectured.

No. 1880986

>>1880929
nta but i've had the same issue every time with new twitter accounts even after interacting with others for months
twitter is just a black hole

No. 1880987

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>>1880926
This is sadly the case for anyone who draws cute men nowadays. They attract TIFs who want to skinwalk their OCs.

No. 1881041

For those that do commissions, how do you price for color when it involves mutliple characters or something like a comic? Is it the same all across the board or do you price more for each character/panel? What's fair?

No. 1881054

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>>1878706
Some of her stuff is nice sure but ultimately she's just another gendie who can't keep troonism out of her art, picrel is the birth of venus with zippertits

No. 1881057

>>1881054
this is really ugly, why do all troons draw the same

No. 1881061

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i know its pathetic but seeing artists that mog me artistically at my age depresses me. I try to turn it into inspiration but part of me cannot stop thinking about all the wasted time.

No. 1881071

>>1878948
Kek I took an art history class a couple semesters ago and the professor completely glossed over Orientalism and said it was racist and not really worth learning about and we moved on. I went and looked at some of the pieces and I was pretty disappointed we didn't even cover it because they were very beautiful to me. Even the textbook for the class barely went in-depth. I honestly wonder why

No. 1881073

>>1881061
I feel the same sometimes but if you let that discourage you you'll only end up wasting more time. For every good artist your age there are countless bad ones. And most of the good artists got to that point because they put in the time. If you spend like 3-6 years studying and improving in some capacity you'll reach a point at which everything you make will at least be presentable and then you still have the rest of your life to keep going. It sucks that some people managed to do that at 12, but you can't change your past anyway and those good artists also feel mogged from time to time. In the end it should just be something you enjoy doing for the sake of it

No. 1881075

>>1881061
I know you probably know this already, but don't get caught up in that headspace if you can help it. I'm assuming a lot about an anonymous stranger on an imageboard, but since this is an art-focused thread, I'm sure it's safe to say that you love art and it's fun for you. You do your art for yourself. It's so unfair to compare what you do to someone else. It's a a long and progressive journey of the way you express yourself, so don't do your feelings a disservice by comparing what sparks joy for you to anyone else. Be gentle on yourself.
>tl;dr keep your head up nonny

No. 1881080

>>1880239
kek

>>1880476
for fun i usually do 30 minutes to an hour max on a character drawing or short doodles, i never finish or render anything. by studying that would mean practicing anatomy or other skills with repetition like gestures or exercises from an art book.

No. 1881081

>>1861680
Found them; it’s hagushka. Shame so much of their art is just fanart.

No. 1881126

>>1881073
>>1881075
i am mostly sad for the wasted time. I started lifting because i want a strong back to draw until my very last breath so i am a bit sad i wasted my youth being depressed

No. 1881149

>>1881054
I can't stop staring at that neck and head kek wtf

No. 1881152

>>1881054
why do the neck and the head on venus look so fucked lmao

also i just noticed the fucking pubes/belly hair and the tranny scars. disgusting.

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>>1881152
>>1881149
To be fair, while the art is awful, the original is pretty fucked too lmao.

No. 1881204

>>1881061
I know it sucks, and I feel much the same. I was pretty unlucky to have unsupportive parents and a turbulent academic life which strained my artistic process, but all you can do now is make for lost time. Think of it this way, you've already wasted this much time, would you want to waste more? No, right? Now you have to be the best possible artist for yourself. Everyone's lives are different, you cannot reasonably compare yourself to people who had better or worse starting lines than yours. This is a lesson I am still learning the hard way, but unfortunately moping about and not facing your fears and difficulties head on only prolongs unnecessary pain.

No. 1881205

>>1881054

Why does everything she renders look like mud? Everything has this sepia shit tone to it, I guess to make it look vintage bit it just muddies all the colors.

No. 1881214

>>1876472
Sage because tinfoil but brujo's spanish is so weird, almost as if it was an english-spanish translation instead of the opposite. Any spanish speaking nonas please tell me you've noticed it too

No. 1881370

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So I was listening to Twisted Disaster's (Michie) latest stream and I just had to "nope" out because of the usual bullshit that she spews but this one in particular really annoyed the fuck outta me. In her recent livestream she mentioned how she had to go to the ER because of something that started with her not getting her period in 3 months (which was understandable), of course with her feeling the need of a eminder that she's "AFAB" but she also mentioned how when she went to the ER, she said that for once her doctor didn't say that her problem was because she was fat (obese, let's be real) but after seeing a recent photo of how she looks, she's fucking delusional thinking that her weight has nothing to do with her health problems, especially with her periods. I find it ridiculous how she likes to act like she has control over her weight but then admits to having super sugary Starbucks drink every other day (she says "treat" but she says that a lot), how she eats Oreo soup (puts Oreos in a cup with milk and eats it with a spoon once it's soggy), and even eating plain frosting out of the can. And I wouldn't feel the need to talk about this if she wasn't so in denial of her health situation and I just can't believe how she really doesn't think that her constant snacking with little to no exercise (at most she stretches) has no bearing on her health problems that seem to pop up every month (she always has some story to share about how she got sick). It's just some real big far-logic if I'd ever seen it.

But the thing that really got me to click out was when she said she called herself "nonbinary" (I guess she "came out" now) and how she was "living assigned as the female gender" but no longer is. I know that I shouldn't be surprised at hearing this kind of retarded nonsense about the gender bullshit but I had to do a mental double-take hearing it coming from her, a grown ass woman in her 30s.

With all the health problems she has that are related to her being a woman, a female regardless of how she "identifies" from her fucked menstrual cycles and ovarian cancer scare (that thankfully was benign, I think she's annoying but I don't wish cancer on anyone), I just cannot wrap my head around how someone like this can believe they are anything but a woman. Then again she calls "female" a "gender" and most of her friends are retarded zoomers who with all except like one, are troons or "nonbinary" and I guess it was only a matter of time before she fell down it too.

Anyway rant over, I apologize for the length but I just had to vent about this. Every time I try to give her the benefit of the doubt, something stupid has to pop up kek.

No. 1881383

>>1881370
The fat fuck gendie with a mask sitting at the most sad looking booth table I've ever seen. Seriously, this is the type of booth people run past because there is nothing to look at and you don't want to get stuck in an awkward conversation with the person there and buy a shitty $6 pin out of guilt.

No. 1881408

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>>1881383
TBF, I think this was a "stamp rally" event, not a full con show but I get you. She did share that she sold a lot at the cons she did do recently. Picrel is what her setup looked like at one of the previous cons she did, looks a bit more lively in comparison but it's her quality of art that is just well, I can't say I would be compelled to buy from but I'm sure it appeals to others.

No. 1881684

File: 1707414242596.png (1.11 MB, 869x876, 9438753.png)

Any based chinese speaking nonnas happen to have a pdf copy/download link of these books?
Thanks in advance!

No. 1881725

sometimes I wonder what the main accounts for some of these twitter fandom accounts are because oh my fuck, they come out of nowhere with incredibly beautiful art

No. 1881731

>>1881370
i dont know how anyone is able to sit through any of this idiots videos she is so fat she is out of breath after a sentence or two. and her art is below mid, uninteresting, deviantart core garbage

No. 1881825

File: 1707422189882.jpg (209.96 KB, 2048x2048, GETV0oFbMAA0-6F.jpg)

>>1881731
AYRT, the reason why I sometimes listen to her livestream backlog (I don't tune into them live) is mainly for background noise when I'm driving to work and she's one of the few artists who's around my age (I'm 2 years older than her) and I am a darkly-inclined nerdy person myself. It's tough to find other artists around my age who make commentary content and talk about fandom topics while tying it to art. TheStarFishFace is the closest I can think of and while she's nowhere near as annoying as TD, she doesn't upload all that much. So I just try to sit through TD's livestreams and ignore the BS she spews. She sometimes says some okay things but lately she's been saying all kinds of retarded BS that is fatlogic related (the aforementioned health problems that are undoubtedly tied to her obesity) and now this "nonbinary" stuff.

I don't disagree with you that her art is deviantart-core fodder and hasn't improved. Her doing all these fancy color tricks does nothing for the overall quality but again, as far as livestreams go I just ignore it since I'm not looking at the screen anyway since I'm driving kek.

But believe me, I would love to find some other artists who are in their 39s who make this kinda content but there aren't a whole lot.

No. 1881831

>>1881684
look up 中国美院 名师教学 头像入门 (the name of the series) on anna's archive. if you want the head studies specifically look for things with 头 in the title

No. 1881882

File: 1707424373183.png (605.5 KB, 834x621, lol.png)

I haven't checked on her in years but wtf is this lol

No. 1881924

>>1881882
Jesus christ that looks like bestiality

No. 1881926

>>1881882
ah, I knew who that was instantly omg
I like some of her reviews but her style is something is atrocious to me

No. 1881929

>>1881882
>TwoNakedDegeneratesExchangingTheirPetsForSexualPleasure.jpg

No. 1881935

>>1881882
Still have no idea how Kasey got popular, her whiny attitude always annoyed the shit out of me

No. 1881980

Is anyone else an older anon who's been drawing for awhile? I feel like digital art is very complicated for me and I don't really understand things like rendering/gradients/ blend modes. Do you ever feel the need to learn these things and incorporate them into your art to keep up with contemporaries? Or do you just stay in your lane?

No. 1882020

>>1877969
you sound so pretentious

No. 1882056

>>1881980
Wouldn't call myself an older anon (I'm assuming you're talking about 30+), but traditional artists tend to ease into digital art a lot better than vice versa. Learn the hotkeys and learn to adjust brush settings, and that's about all you need.
Blend modes and gradients are crutches, and rendering digitally for me is a lot like painting with gouache.

No. 1882080

>>1881980
I'm an artist who is currently 33 and I get you to an extent anon. I do know my way around digital art when it comes to inking and coloring though in the latter, I'm pretty outdated since I still ink and color in Paint Tool Sai while it seems the hot new software people use now are Clipstudio Paint and Procreate. Anyway while I can do an okay job with inking and coloring digitally, I was never able to get the hang of drawing digitally. I don't know why but I absolutely suck at drying digitally and I've been trying for years to get it down but I'm just too used to sketching traditionally so I mostly just sketch with pencil and paper and then ink amd color said picture digitally.

No. 1882084

>>1881370
>Nonbinary
I'm not surprised about this tbh. She's the total definition of the spicy straight. I know she claims to be bisexual but I personally have my doubts. She's been with her husband for a long time and in her little gaggle, she's considered the boring one because she's a woman in a straight relationship amo g retarded gendie zoomers. Her relationship with artist Holly Brown was really just an excuse for her to feel more justified talking about "queer" topics. And holly in the end of their relationship trooped out and she was one of Michie-s last friends who was not gendie so it seems like she's trying to play catchup. She's not as bright as she thinks she is and she's full of self esteem issues.

No. 1882086

>>1881980
Just pirate some videos or books that have info on how to use the software features. Nobody’s brain turns to putty as soon as they turn 30

No. 1882184

>>1881825

Hey michie-nona. I was wondering when you were going to show up.
I don't understand why you would listen to absolute shit like this for years. Listen to something that will enrich and add to your own life or art skill. I get hatewatching and that this is the art salt thread but there's nothing to really bring to the table about her. Wouldn't it be a better use of your time and attention to focus on something better? She's been doing the same art for ever now kek. You don't have to put yourself through that, you don't deserve it.

No. 1882284

File: 1707452217629.jpg (58.19 KB, 651x655, 1655432159386.jpg)

I dont understand shitter. I just made and account, got instantly shadowbanned and no one can see my replies. How do i break from this fucking curse? I replied to an artist doing a DTIYS and asked my friend to see if it shows up, it doesnt. How do i know if my account is only temporarily banned or permashadowbanned? I didnt do anything wrong, i have been interacting with my feed and following artists i like. I just want to get commissions.

No. 1882295

>>1881882
I usually like her vids, but the ones with her cringey husband are the ones I hate the most.

The first video I remember years ago was when both of them were doing a collab with another artist couple (it might've been DoodleDate?). Her husband thought it would be knee-slappingly hilarious if he talked with a Cookie Monster voice all throughout the video.

The 2nd video I remember was a collab between him and Kasey where it was like a reverse of picrel. He drew while she narrated, and in the end she had to censor the whole pic because he drew a huge penis because that's top comedy I guess.

Anyway I'm glad such collabs are rare.

No. 1882321

>>1882295
I remembered doodledate being such a cute channel until I saw an anon post that the moid drew coomery lolibait stuff >>1588111 inoffensive women Youtubers tend to have an annoying Nigel for some reason

No. 1882349

>>1881924
I'm not getting that at all. I'm getting more "nude family photo" because not like cats have clothes. Nudists are going to nudist.

No. 1882354

>>1882284
Did you verify your account via email or something when you signed up? If you just got your account it might be something like that.

No. 1882362

>>1882354
yeah, i did verify it.

No. 1882861

>>1881825
watch chris hong or cosmic spectrum, theyre both younger but leagues more qualified to be talking about art than michie, and NO troon or gendie shit in either of their videos, leave her behind.

No. 1883017

>>1882284
someone once told me that twitter shadowbans all new accounts as a measure against spambots n shit and to get it to come off you need to start posting stuff and overall "behave" like a normal account. it sucks but it is what it is.

No. 1883050

File: 1707512520627.jpg (199.1 KB, 1294x1000, GBOTK4zaYAAqgFY.jpg)

>>1882184
AYRT I know, I know, I really shouldn't be watching her anymore at this point. It's just that like I mentioned before, she's closer to my age and some of the things she has shared/talked about that were nostalgia related, I could totally relate to. Her art leaves a lot to be desired but back then and even with the streams, I just ignored it because it was clear she was never gonna improve the quality of it (that isn't just coloring/linework like she always feels so proud in) but I stuck around just for background noise. In the beginning she wasn't that bad but then she started featuring her gendie-tard friends and the quality of the streams started going down. I still watched since she didn't always feature them but towards the later end of 2023, she has been saying all kinds of ridiculous crap with no pushback from her friends (since they're young gendie tards anyway). I've been able to jhust listen and eyeroll whenever she said something dumb but this last stream just gave a mental aneurysm lol

And don't worry, I do watch/listen to other content that is much more enriching, it's just that sometimes I need that "junk food" content (kek) and for that, I like listening to commentary speedpaint style videos where they talk about fandom and/or storytimes but whenever I would search for new ones to listen to, the artist is usually 16-23 and it just takes me out of it because at my stage in life, I just can't really relate with people this age anymore. That's why I held onto Michie since every now and then she would say something relatable.
Hope that all makes sense.

>>1882861
>Chris Hong
>Cosmic Spectrum
AYRT and I checked them out, I love Cosmic Spectrum's art style, it's beautiful and definitely more in my alley of personal taste in aesthetic. She seems nice and I'll definitely check out more of her videos
Chris Hong, while her art is cute and I adore that she does a lot of traditional work, it's not really the kind of content I'm looking for as I was looking for more commentary type videos but thanks for the suggestion nonetheless.

No. 1883338

>>1883050
I really like that picture, she looks so pretty.

No. 1883425

>>1883050
this style is so fucking ugly, why is the line weight so inconsistent?

No. 1883437

>>1883425
It's a style.

No. 1883441

>>1883437
a very ugly one

No. 1883478

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>>1883437
Muh style is not an excuse to have shit line weight or art in general, anon. She can't even colour the line consistently. Just because you have stylised art doesn't mean you get a pass on have shit and unappealing art.
Where have the artists in the art salt thread gone?

No. 1883480

>>1883478
>Where have the artists in the art salt thread gone?
I have noticed there is an influx of obvious newfags who defend very shitty tumblr artstyles for some reason.

No. 1883485

>>1883480
Yeah, it comes off really annoying and cope-y to me personally. As well as the newfags constantly asking basic shit like that one anon who was confused how a furry artist used purple on a multiply layer to cell shade kek.

No. 1883486

File: 1707547607375.mp4 (10.05 MB, 576x1026, studio flimpo.mp4)

crosspostinf from the animation industry cows thread. I have noticed there are a lot of talentless people with no experience that want to create their own indie animation shows lately,also 'flimpo' is such a retarded name for a studio.

No. 1883487

File: 1707547722655.png (2.48 MB, 1186x1750, muh indie animation studi.png)

>>1883486
and this is how they draw kek who the fuck wants to see something animated by these hacks? vivzie and lackadaisy are only popular because they offer unique styles and the animation is fucking amazing

No. 1883489

>>1883486
I'm a sucker for mixed media animation (as they implied) but everything else looks like something from a schoolastic graphic novel.
>>1883487
The background studies/tests aren't the best but they're cute, everything else is disgusting but then again you don't have to know how to draw super well to animate (it is ideal though)

No. 1883490

>>1883489
But would you watch something that looks that bad? Like I said, stuff like vivzie/lackadaisy are popular because their styles are unique and stand out amongst the sea of calarts garbage. Why would anyone be drawn to something that looks so devoid of artistic vision?

No. 1883491

>>1883486
>>1883487
unsurprising tbh, most people getting into mediums such as animation aren't really in it for the art (or pushing the medium) or even just to tell a good story, they're in it for vanity reasons. They don't need to love art, they just need to love themselves more (hence why everything they make always relates back to them or involves self-inserts or personal fetishes)

No. 1883492

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>>1883490
> everything else looks like something from a schoolastic graphic novel
Why would you assume this is a compliment?

No. 1883544

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Has anyone tried Naoki Saito's 3 month improvement method? I don't know which artist to choose to study from. I like way too many, but I can't find out that draws exactly how I want to.

No. 1883558

>>1883544
Not sure what that course entails but you could always break down each artist's method and style into notes and see which ones your goals align with most and then you have a handful to study and blend from.

No. 1883560

>>1883558
You have to pick one artist you really like, regardless of skill, and study them for 3 months, it sounds interesting. I mostly study from books, so doing master studies and stuff sounds like a nice change of peace. The problem is that you are supposed to choose one artist you really like, regardless of what they draw and their skill, but I can't choose. I guess if i cant pick one by tomorrow I will just go with Mgong.

No. 1883562

>>1883486
>making the protagonist of your art project and artist/art student
terrible idea. Artists aren't as interesting as they think

No. 1883602

>>1883486
I don't mind small studio projects but I wish there was atleast a standard to these just look at old pilot cartoon episodes some have unique styles but they're all consistent in quality. But let's see how this show turns out hopefully not a gendie brag fest

No. 1883646

>>1883602
I dount it's even going to get funded in the first place kek

No. 1883649

File: 1707567907462.png (1.33 MB, 2560x1390, izumi_is_blah.PNG)

izumi_is_blah (and her other alt izublah on Discord/Twitter) constantly traces and uses AI for clout (she's been doing this for a long time now). Even her commission sheet is blatantly AI art.
And a lot of people she interacts with are also art thieves (like the user CptCaption who has an entire discord channel full of stolen VN commercial Japanese art that he traces and tries to pass off as his own… and Izumi was there doing that, too).
Plus… Amagimon (now called mr_van and KuroArc) annihilated his whole art Twitch channel because he was caught stealing Megami Tensei art assets, and was modifying them and stealing them.
Honestly, I consider it a moral failing to use AI or steal from others (AI or otherwise). They're benefiting from stolen work and helping it grow. It's repulsive.

No. 1883664

>>1883602
I mean as far as indie projects go, it's mediorce at best. See vidrel in comparison to >>1883486 , similar team numbers, production time and experince the only difference is that The Lovers team was filled with people who were actively trying to get the best animation out as possible
Sad that TIMs are latching on to this

No. 1883669

>>1883664
>Sad that TIMs are latching on to this

Whaaat?? Nooooo. But then again considering its premise ("toxic yuri" with an Asian protagonist) it was bound to attract kind of TIMs who want to larp as those.

No. 1883670

>>1883664
The difference between something made for the love of art vs something done for a quick buck/tiktok clout.

No. 1883682

File: 1707570146832.png (4.08 MB, 2048x1230, image_2024-02-11_000137507.png)

(didn't realise the video was auto-linked fml)
>>1883664
Samefag, one of the team members being Tanjeronie, which christ if there was an artist I'd be jealous of, it'd be her. And she's only 18? Christ. (Picrel isn't her best but it is my favourite, after the shots she animated in the trailer)
>>1883669
Yeah, it's really unfortunate. Just avoid any discussion of it on Twitter as I've been doing.

No. 1883712

File: 1707573266320.jpg (1.26 MB, 4000x4000, F98gpBTXYAALfbo.jpg)

>>1883649

God, this girl is shameless.
I see what you mean anon, her commission info looks like purely AI or a bad paint-over to cover it up.
All the time and energy she spends trying to unAi-ify these images, she could just learn to paint, lol. Laziness is one hell of a drug, I guess. Not sure why so many ppl are following this scammer.

No. 1883738

File: 1707576098234.jpg (879.05 KB, 2919x4096, izumi_is_blah.jpg)

>>1883649
>>1883712

Actually, a lot of izumi_is_blah's art seems suss. Definitely AI or traced in some way. Even her most recent comic she posted appears to be traced AI art.
For instance, the bra strap here disappears behind her shoulder, and yet another bra strap around her arm.
It doesn't look right at all. No actual artist would make such a silly mistake.

No. 1883744

File: 1707576862740.jpg (2.04 MB, 4000x4000, izumi_is_blah comic.jpg)

>>1883649
>>1883738

This comic, you mean? Yeah… it's awfully stiff and unnatural-looking.

Geezus, people like this are awful. The value of art doesn't just come from a single image but the hours of practice and drilling needed to get the skills to make that image. No matter how skilled or detailed/whatever AI art is, the fact that a robot without inspiration made it using a database of human generated art makes it much less inspiring in my eyes.

No. 1883750

>>1883738
Looks more shinier than the bra in general so could just be an armband

No. 1883758

>>1883738
I am a bad artist myself, but the brownhaired girls hand being wrapped around the white haired girls arm and then grabbing her own arm doesn't make sense to me position wise. I think it would be better if BH girl had her arms around WH girls arm or if they were both around her torso. The mix annoys me.

Also, bad at light, so is it me or does that rectangle of light on WH's stomach not make any sense. I'm trying to think where is that light coming from and idk.

No. 1883784

>>1883744
This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen

No. 1883793

>>1883649
>>1883712
>>1883738
>>1883744
>>1883750
>>1883758
>>1883784

Good input from others so far.

I've been an artist for a long time, and I agree a lot of izumi_is_blah's pieces are full of abnormalities if you carefully look it over.

Regarding the May and Bridget piece, I wish it was just a simple armband, but… IMO the strap on one of the girl' really does look like it's attached to the bra. So I think it's strange overall, and doesn't make much logical sense, and it has some fairly obvious telltale signs of AI (such as: usually weird elements that don't make a whole lot of sense, blurriness to the image—no brushstrokes, etc, melty lineart/shading, backgrounds and bizarre anatomy like extra limbs/fingers, or other bizarre artistic choices, etc)—All of which I'm mentioning are just some examples of things that AI often produces lazily, and it's often flawed or stiff/soulless in the worst ways.
And I think the "shininess" could be an attempt to do a particular light source, however the light source looks really wonky and abnormal (something I see common in AI art, or AI-assisted artwork, or bad AI paint-overs, since an AI bro isn't really an actual artist with a developed critical vision/attention to detail, so you can't really expect AI bros to know something looks odd when they themselves can't draw it/visualize it in their heads like a good artist would.

I think it's just super deceptive especially when this person (izumi_is_blah) is "taking commissions."

Plus, when multiple artists tried to ask for a video process from Izumi, she vehemently tries to get out of it, or tries to shift blame onto others for even asking.

To me, the longer someone stares at AI art, you cannot help but think it looks painful and strained; since it steals real artwork from others… chops them up and splits them into meaningless fragments.

Since real artists (generally) train their eye to look beyond that, and see if the piece makes any sense, and flows well. As an artist's main skill is observation.

Well, those are my thoughts about it, anyway.

No. 1883810

>>1883793
I personally think it's retouched AI, especially with the weird nonsensical shading/highlighting

No. 1883826

>>1883810

Definitely agree with you there! I don't see the appeal to retouching an AI image, though. As when I look at a piece of art made by a human, I am seeing a collection of their experiences and inspiration. When I see AI influenced art, I think "Well, it has this soulless and uncreative… uncanny valley type-feeling."
Since just retouching a boring AI image is lazy and lacks the human element and creativity, it just doesn't feel the same.
Not great that izumi_is_blah is trying to pass this retouched AI as handmade, either.

The comic by her is also extremely rigid, idiotic and comes off as uninspired.

No. 1883861

>>1883480
I just like it, it's not offensively bad to me. Calm down.

No. 1883870

>>1883744
>>1883738
>>1883712
>>1883682
these's might have gone through an AI generator after the sketch process and then relined and colored, but the bleeding coloring outside of the lines and stuff doesn't indicate AI. I think anons don't know how to tell at all. References through AI, possibly, actual AI, no.

No. 1883876

File: 1707587178612.jpg (791.26 KB, 2891x4096, sketch.jpg)

>>1883870
Samefag, but I went to look more in to their art, and anons aren't posting wips and stuff. This is the same sketchy lineart that's cleaned up just barely on top of most of the examples.

No. 1883888

>>1883870
>>1883876

i noticed everyone has different opinions about this.
some say it's retouched ai which is a possibility.
one says it’s likely traced ai art, and that is also possible, too.
i personally think it is ai in some way, because i agree that’s it's super stiff and not well executed.
izumi's drawings also look like chicken scratch and just plain bad, and her attitude towards other artists is meh (I've seen her around on discord art channels before). she also pretends to be japanese but she isn't, lol.
also, i'm sure some of the anons didn't share wips or sketches from her because they probably thought ppl would just go to their page, and analyze it for themselves.

No. 1883894

>>1883888
I've used my own stuff and put it through ai with my own catalogue before [something I think Sakamichi has been doing too] and with that it's your own ethical work. Retouching after the fact it's much of an issue. She also doesn't have much movement in the drawings, so of course it's going to look stiff. Nothing that's being drawn is much action, standing there drinking a potion isn't some extra cartoony motion someone would make. The examples given are terrible IMO which makes it hard to judge, but going through their actual timeline, I don't think it's ai generated at all and more like they may be using ai with their own catalogue IF that. But the lineart, the overfilled coloring, and SEA artists are known down having a certain shadine style and the lighting is also accurate which is something AI by itself without your stuff added in is very, very bad at and you have to do a lot of extra editing to fix it.

No. 1883904

>>1883894

not really, but you can have your own opinion about it, that's fine. to me, however, using ai is not ethical in any shape or form. also, have you seen how most ai bros talk? they don't have much care for the actual craft of doing art for enjoyment or fun in a creative way.

they just want pretty soulless pictures fast with little to no effort. it just feels lazy no matter how you look at it, and it's devoid of all soul and creativity. i rather appreciate real artists who actually love to draw with passion. an artist draws to impart emotions into a canvas the same way a writer does.

creating is part of the human experience, and letting a robot do it for you seems like you're denying yourself the human experience which is kinda sad.

also, i've seen other art styles similar to izumi by other artists, but none of them were this stiff and artificial. so i'm not surprised ppl think it's ai, or ai influenced.

No. 1883914

>>1883904
Everyone calls anything they aren't sure of, or people with better art, as being AI. It's not fair just to assume with no basis and clearly no idea how AI works in line and lighting.

No. 1883938

>>1883914

not true, i don't think every art i see is ai, this particular one, tho… yes, it probably is "ai influenced," and the person associated with it is friends with multiple art thieves and previous offenders (as was mentioned by the original anon who first brought it up), and izumi has a history of harassing people over trivial things, she even has another alt that she harassed ppl on… and others that she had deleted in the past when karma hit her. she even chased more than one japanese off twitter as she was spamming them rude comments and harassment in english about a fictional character (bridget in guilty gear)
why, do i know this? i've seen her around on twitter during the drama, and on various art discord servers.
she's a terrible person, and a horrible liar. there's no reason to be defend this person.

No. 1883939

>>1883938
I didn't say you specifically. Stop reading in to posts so much.

No. 1883940

>>1883939

oh, i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. thanks for the clarification. wish you well.

No. 1883962

>>1883914
Art too good? AI. Art too bad? AI. Outside of a few tells like the fractal patterns, hyper nonsensical details, and mutant hands, you can't know for sure one way or the other.

No. 1883965

>>1883914
A girl posted a portrait someone made of her, and at the end of her caption she said "no, this isn't AI". If I were the artist I'd be devastated lol.

No. 1884419

>>1883962
If you've fucked around with it and keep up with updates regarding it, you can.

No. 1884582

>>1883478
Is this by that edgy Russian girl?

No. 1884603

File: 1707648921530.png (3.23 MB, 1172x2048, image_2024-02-11_215731067.png)

>>1884582
Nah it's not HolyRavioli, it's just fanart of her characters by a different artist МАНЫЧ! (Picrel is though)

No. 1884631

File: 1707654380641.jpg (1.01 MB, 1170x1599, wheelsroses.jpg)

I feel bad because normally I’d love to support people making shows for young girls but I hate the style so much. I blame steven universe and craig of the creek. I wish more indie creators attempted interesting styles instead of imitating the stuff in the mainstream.
The “queer sailor moon meets x” description is also a turn off but I’m assuming that’s for marketing purposes (has that ever been an effective marketing tactic?). At least it seems to have more effort put into it than pen pals forever https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wheelsandroses/wheels-and-roses-tv-pilot

No. 1884635

>>1883738
>muh Ai traced
>those baby hands
>naval that high
I love it how often this general manages to out themselves as niggas who don't even draw kek

No. 1884639

>>1884635

I can tell the way you type, you don't draw. or know anything about art or ai, lol.

No. 1884641

>>1884639

forgot to mention, i agree with the previous anons who spoke here.
i also took a look at izumi's other alt - izublah, and she is definitely a toxic person, for sure.
so if she's not an art thief, she's that, at least.

No. 1884713

>>1884631
It looks ok. My issue is if queer means actual homosexual or just some gender bull.

No. 1884724

>>1884631
>Queer cartoons deserve to exist!!!!!
Kys. If all there is to the show is their "queerness" it's gonna be shit for sure(alogging)

No. 1884728

>>1884713
looks like there's a couple themby characters on the kickstarter page, and one girl has two dads.

No. 1884752

>>1884631
oh, this is going to be horrible because:
Founder of the studio is theyby
Two of the characters are theybys
In the intro video of the kickstarter, she spends 20 seconds talking about some Indian charity she's is going to donate too before she gets to pitch
She says she was inspired by magic girl anime and sports anime (fuckin weebs), so why is the art not anime inspired. cause she is a lazy and/or a shit artist
She loves roller derby and troons took over roller derby way earlier than everything else they've infested
There is zero mention in the kickstarter page of any actual lesbians in the core characters, so it's highly likely the queer stuff is the just the enbys and the gay dads. (and why is it always gay dads. lesbians are much more likely to have kids than gays)
The only description of the actual plot is that the characters "build meaningful relationships and explore who they are as individuals" and "we’d also like to show our characters’ lives, to get a better sense of their different lived experiences." ok, then.
Some of the character descriptions sound like they work-shopped to death by a DEI group
>Kinda surrounds herself with mean friends who only care about "being cool"
>very community centered, she knows most people in her neighborhood and vice versa
>Due to trauma surrounding trust, Bree doesn't easily operate as part of a collective
nobody talks like this.

Things that bother me on a personal level:
The mc who does not have the special powers the rest of the world has but manages to win anyway - i hate this plot so much
Wtf are swords doing in a sport. That seems completely ridiculous and dangerous. Does sports anime usually have weapons.
The team working on the show is all women except for one random ass white dude. Why couldn't they find a woman to compose. Is he sleeping with someone, is that why he got hired. but then he's not attractive, so, idk.

No. 1884802

>>1884631
I'm so fucking tired of this wave of western cartoons that always follow the same formula.

>calarts/SU art style

>"inspired by (insert big popular 90's anime, usually shoujo genre)"
>the "inspiration" is either just a cheap copy of the story or a copy of the anime's tropes
>enby/troon shit or low effort gay romance
>the most boring character designs known to man

I don't want some ugly ass enby magical girl Sailor Moon knockoff derby cartoon, I want a fucking derby cartoon. If you claim to be "inspired" by sports anime then why not try to make your own damn sports anime and actually stick to the inspo source?

No. 1884803

>>1884752
>In the intro video of the kickstarter, she spends 20 seconds talking about some Indian charity she's is going to donate too before she gets to pitch
I agree with all of your other points but what’s wrong with this?

No. 1884811

>>1884752
>Does sports anime usually have weapons.
this is just the creators trying really hard to lean into the Utena side of the magical girl genre and it doesn't even make sense because in roller derby you need to push through a crowd or chase after someone, not duel face to face. If they're dueling face to face because of the swords then it's not derby it's just figure skating with blades because derby is a constant chase, not a duel. i highly doubt anyone in the team actually did research on the sport though so gg. some sports anime do have powers and shit like that but said powers are always directly related to the sport in some way and not just "just give them magic swords".

No. 1884815

>>1884803

NTA but imo if I'm deciding if I should back a Kickstarter for a show I don't give two shits about the charities involved, I want to know about the show's pitch and if it's worth my money. If I wanted to back the charity I would've gone directly to the charity.

No. 1884840

>>1884803
nta, but personally I don't like kickstarter projects that include charity/non-project expenses– all money should be going towards production/fulfilment of the project. kickstarter projects have enough trouble with scope-creep and fund mismanagement, adding charity feels unnecessary especially before you even hit your goal.

Another thing about the intro video: I thought it was an odd choice to have some finalised animation of a couple shots of people mostly standing around, yet the Magical Girl- one of the key selling points of the pitch- transformation was a sketchy animatic. To me, this makes it look like you're pitching too soon (same with the lack of pre-production art aside from a couple examples) or aren't prioritising the right things to help sell your pitch.

No. 1884847

>>1884802
>the most boring character designs known to man
This is why none of them will ever be Vivzie, no matter how much they insist on being better than her. Her designs may be cluttered but they are interesting. A knockoff of her shows also wouldn't succeed though, this kind of stuff only works once. Similar to how Steven Universe succeeded but nothing else in the same style will. People want to see something interesting and new and if you have to reference another work in your pitch it's already over. That show is also about kids so I wonder why anyone would want to fund it in the first place. I know GF and SU were big hits with "adults" but what about this would be appealing to older people? If it does get funded it'll probably turn out like High Guardian Spice

No. 1884856

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How do you deal with large followings? Like over a thousand followers? Do you just post shit and go?

No. 1884858

>>1884856
Samefag, I would like a real in depth answer about this. How do you deal with interacting with followers, comments, dms, things like that? What would be a GOOD way of doing it?

No. 1884866

>>1884856
I wish kittens came in round ears like lion cubs omg

No. 1884875

>>1884803
ayrt the project should be the focus of the pitch. Leading with the land acknowledgment and charity donation means that they are prioritizing their politics over the story, which does not bode well for the actual pilot. The charity should have been at the end of the video, if they needed to mention it all.

No. 1884885

>>1884856
That depends on what you want from your followers. Do you want to build a brand and use that to get professional jobs, inspire a parasocial relationship with them so they will buy all your merch, or just post art and have people like it, etc.

No. 1884890

>>1884856
>>1884858
Just don't think about the amount of people looking at your posts if that's something you're nervous about and it'll be fine, but if you want to avoid any trouble you better say as little about yourself as possible. Only talk about the stuff you're interested in and don't let yourself get pressured into anything. No one online has any power over you and you need to remember that.
Reply to comments in a polite and kind way if you want to receive more in the future, it encourages people to interact with you. I only answer comments from strangers if they follow me, their profile doesn't turn me off and I have something to say besides "thank you". If they are under 18 I remove or block them and if they post or like anything degenerate or annoying that I happen to see at a glance I also block them. If it's something particularly annoying or offensive to me I'll block their entire following as well, I usually do that as preventative measure when I see someone engage in stupid callouts too. Even on my 10k+ accounts I rarely got dms, but I answered all the ones that were sent by mutuals who wanted to talk about something or followers who had simple questions and ignored the rest. If you're in a fandom you shouldn't go out of your way to engage with non-artist accounts that post memes and such. Those are usually the people that have enough time on their hands to start drama. Generally limit your time on social media to a few hours and stick to those limits.

No. 1885049

>>1884752
>Founder of the studio is theyby
>Two of the characters are theybys
>She says she was inspired by magic girl anime
High guardian spice 2, I can't wait

No. 1885114

>>1884631
Why is it getting more and more common to say "inspired by (insert popular franchise)" or "(insert popular franchise) but (insert fanfic trope/minority)" for projects? Can't they make their own shit? Although sometimes it's so obvious that the people involved don't know the ins and outs of the media they're leeching off so they flanderise it and look a bit retarded at best.

No. 1885126

>>1885114
I guess they either assume or have been told that that's what sells. No one cares for originals because they aren't guaranteed to make money, but maybe something that's similar to a popular media might also become popular.

No. 1885130

>>1885126
i've always seen it as just a bunch of old weebs who finally got their chance to make the shitty fanfic based off their favourite anime in 2005 a reality

No. 1885213

>>1885130
That could also be a reason. Maybe all these people are just deeply uncreative and that's why they always need to reference other work

No. 1885240

File: 1707694865074.png (35.49 KB, 910x335, Screenshot 2024-02-11 233532.p…)

Kind of irrelevant but I get really tired at the disconnect between "I like drawing for fun" and "I want to improve my art" in art communities and the ensuing shitflinging that happens when someone dares to recommend how to improve just because it looks daunting or "unfun"
This comment describes how I feel best about it. You should still cook obviously but you won't be on the same level as professional chefs but there's nothing wrong with that! I think the best comparison is between making scrambled eggs vs French omelette or omurice vs fried rice with eggs.

No. 1885242

>>1884752
>In the intro video of the kickstarter, she spends 20 seconds talking about some Indian charity she's is going to donate too before she gets to pitch

I feel like someone could easily cause a raging mod because of that lol

No. 1885244

>>1884631
At least SU had amazing use of colour

No. 1885246

>>1883562
Reminds me of Little Witch Academia

No. 1885284

>>1884631
>only two sucessful indie animated projects in the last decade are hazbin and lackadaisy, both because they target adults and have dystinctive artstyles
>''hmmmm how about we make more corporate grbage aimes at kids!''
I dont understand indie animators who want to make things for kids, why not make something for adults? kids dont care about some super autistic passion project from a 30yo gendie who draws like shit, they are watching skibidi toilet and mr beast.

No. 1885347

>>1884856
I got 10k+ and I just basically drop art and go, and maybe drop some inoffensive on-brand textposts every so often. I reply to people telling me they like my art but not much more than that. I moved all of my posting about media or chatting with friends to a side account with no ties to my main.

No. 1885407

>>1884856
Doesn't variations of this question get posted often? The general advice seems to be to put on a professional face, don't talk too much about yourself.
I'd go a step further and say that if you want to highlight interactions but stay on the safe side idk make them up yourself? Sounds a bit sad but on insta send yourself questions and answer them, no one knows who sends those questions anyway except the account receiving them. It allows you to be like "I can't answer everything sorry". Not sure what the twitter equivalent of that would be

No. 1885416

>>1885114
It's a pitching tactic, you use proven properties that can convey the broad concepts and potential aesthetics and storytelling of your idea. From my experience, a lot of people go for the closest thing that is similar to their idea but is well-known, rather than something lesser-known that's closer to what they're trying to do. I've also seen some people change their original idea and pitch to make it better fit their 'x meets y'/'x inspired' logline, which is pretty dumb

>>1885284'

It's probably just because they want to fund a pilot to shop around to networks/streaming services and kid's shows are more likely to be bought than a more unique/interesting adult (or even teen) show that'd be seen as too risky (especially if there's no audience already attached to prove the success of the concept)

No. 1885509

>>1885416
>It's probably just because they want to fund a pilot to shop around to networks/streaming services and kid's shows are more likely to be bought than a more unique/interesting adult (or even teen) show that'd be seen as too risky (especially if there's no audience already attached to prove the success of the concept)
why would a big network buy that crap, specially when they are axing big animated projects with already stablished IPs attached to it

No. 1885519

>>1885509
not saying that anyone would actually buy and produce it, just the motivation- western animation still has a stigma of being something for children for the most part, so that market is usually a safer bet. Besides, a lot of people in animation aren't really in it to tell a good story with good visuals/animation, they want to be cool like the creators they idealised and get their show on the same big networks they watched as children.

And for what it's worth, from what I've heard anyway, established IPs can be a pain to work with thanks to creative constraints and sometimes be more expensive to produce due to rights and all that.

No. 1885635

>>1884631
Im sick of "Magical Girl/Sailor Moon" inspired shit, when I was a little girl I watched magical girl anime because the girls were pretty and idol-esque in that you wanted to be like them, then they hooked you into the story. This is why only WITCH and Winx club got magical girl inspired right, nobody wants to look like a baked potato with SU lips.

No. 1885697

>>1883649
>>1883712
>>1883738
>>1883744
I will never understand women who draw moidpandering coomshit like this. It's genuinely upsetting to me to think that someone representing the gender being objectified, fetishized, dehumanized, raped and assaulted since birth would produce this kind of content unabashedly.

As for the AI accusations, they don't look AI produced to me, but traced AI is a possibility because for example in >>1883738 the bloom style lighting is a signature AI model look and it honestly looks like it's just painted over with no fundamental understanding of how it actually works and blends. For someone who's otherwise skilled in creating a detailed composition and for example, knows to make the bow in the bra look three dimensional in its shape, to make the hands look detached and way smaller than they should is very curious. Another telltale thing is that everything she draws looks very different and there's no consistent style between drawings, her wips also look traced having been rendered in full detail and clean lines, no layered rough sketches like artists usually have in their drafts. I might be wrong about everything but having seen quite a bit of tracers in my life it's definitely suspicious.

No. 1885699

>>1885697
I agree, I hate these pickme moid pandering artists, they are dime a dozen too. It's so tiring, it's even more anoying when they try to branch out and do content for women and it ends up just being a big titted woman and some generic looking guy.

No. 1885716

>>1885699
Nta but why are anons so sure this is a woman? It feels like a troon considering how much Bridget fanart there is. and he clearly uses ai the way he renders the face is very common in ai art and notice if the rendering is so good why is the lineart so sloppy

No. 1885723

>>1885716
Pickme female artists are dime a dozen.

No. 1885767

>>1885635
A true treasure trove of magical girl culture dating back to the 1960s, and Wokies chose the middest (in my view) anime from the bunch. You gotta be kidding me. It's strange that many "anime"-inspired schlock doesn't really resemble anime let alone try to look good. Always the same SU tumblr garbage, never Disney-like or even Ghibli.

No. 1885789

>>1885767
Because they dont like mahou shojo, they just like Sailor Moon and the concept of magical girls.

No. 1885880

How do you approach character design? I have always done fanart, since I was never a fan of OC culture, but now I want to design some characters for a small project and I don't know where to start. I specially would like to learn how to design sexy male clothes cool monsters and cool women. Any tips on where to start? I have been studying Morpho:Folds, but I can't find a good book or course that specifically targets character design.

No. 1885954

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>>1885716
You'd be shocked at the amount of actual female artists who draw this garbage. I actually knew one personally IRL, coincidentally she was also a tracer.

I'm not sure about AI specifically in this person's work but it has some telltale signs of tracing such as weirdly placed lines and details that make no sense but have been copied from the source image. There are also drastic shifts in her skill level across drawings and she has real trouble making her characters interact with the environment, like doing a pretty good rendition in foreshortening but everything else in the background is fucked, or one piece might have an almost professional level lighting planning while the other one is middle school level pillow shading or really badly blended shadows. Her style also changes across drawings a lot, so I'm lead to believe that some of it is traced, some is AI with touch ups, and some is original. Someone had posted this in the maid Bridget image's replies so make of it what you will. It's honestly depressing that AI has offered a new way for grifters to make money but I'm also glad that more awareness is being raised in detecting them.

No. 1885959

>>1885954
Those apps don't work properaly and it has been debunked that it registers a lot of things as AI when it's not. Even the paper reading one for essays is wrong a lot of the time. The one you posted, the lighting it's terrible off, so I'd be harder to even prove it.

No. 1885962

>>1885954
Original image looks a lot like something you'll get from Nemu's waifu generator.

No. 1885964

>>1885959
When those detection apps give "false positives" they're usually in the 50-60% range, not 99.9%.

No. 1885965

>>1885964
I swear some of you don't actually play with AI.

No. 1885966

>>1885880
>cool monsters
Generally basic design principles should be enough, especially if you want more stylised or surreal monsters, but if you want to at least lean on realism I recommend really getting to know animal anatomy as well as comparative anatomy. Understanding anatomy, behaviour, and how to twist and break it will help sell your design as believable, and then including higher concept ideas or symbolism can add interest and link creatures to the rest of your project. Moodboards are your friend. Use the purpose of your monster to guide your design, and figure out how you want other characters to interact with and contrast/compliment it. Look into things like silhouette and shape design, but adhere to both more lightly the more realistic/grounded you want a creature to feel. Find art/artists that inspire you and study them to work out what you'd like to take from them to incorporate into your own work, as well as figure out what features from animals, objects, aesthetics, and folklore/myth really appeal to you to help strengthen your creature design's identity. Most of all though, have fun!

(I'll leave the human character side of things to other anons kek)

No. 1885971

>>1885966
I'll also add, for monsters, if you want it to be reflective of a living being, you need to look at anatomy, for sure. The scariest ones IMO are ones that have features from realistic animals/humans, like the way legs would be attached or an eye would be somewhere else, it wouldn't be just flat. Would the pupil be goat-like or would the fold of the eye be a crease or from the side? Otherwise, go ham. Make some ugly blob. I love how creative people get with monsters.

No. 1886017

>>1885959
>>1883649
was the sleeve intentionally left like that lol

No. 1886157

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>>1885959
"Harder to even prove it"
Yeah totally

No. 1886908

>>1886157
>”idk guise we can’t really tell!”
>”anything that’s good gets accused of being ai, you must not even draw!”
Meanwhile, sleevarm. God damn, aifags must think we’re stupid kek

No. 1886961

>>1886908
It’s annoying that dime-a-dozen pixiv AI shit gets a pass while one of my favorite Twitter artists (triedkiss) got accused of being AI by a moid a few weeks ago. She posted a rant and screencaps about it but it looks like she deleted it.

No. 1886993

Does anyone else struggle with the intrusive thought that they might never get good at art? I work really hard, study every day, draw a lot, but I am deeply scared of never getting good. I know it's dumb, but the worry is always there, like an incredibly annoying mosquito.

No. 1887019

>>1886993
I kind of get that if I think too much about the future kek I know it takes a long time to actually see improvements in art so I try not to stress about it and just keep going and draw things that bring me joy in the moment because I know I'll cringe at the mistakes a year from now

No. 1887111

I haven’t drawn in several years, just because I have no ideas. It seriously feels like such a waste because I'm seriously not trying to brag but art comes easily to me and I’ve always been very good at it, I could create really high quality things if only I had any ideas. It’s like I have the manual skills but none of the creativity. I’ve tried to make myself more creative over the years, but no matter how hard I try it just doesn’t come naturally to me. I have no interesting ideas. I’m very bitter about this.

No. 1887158

>>1887111
Kek I doubt you're that good if you haven't drawn in years but go find yourself an ideas guy or grind fundies then. And give your brain a break from screens until you start having thoughts again

No. 1887179

>>1887158
Ok, I don’t really mind if you don’t believe me. But yeah, the last time I was drawing regularly, I was doing a bunch of fundamentals, but then after a while I got depressed because I felt like I gained so much skill from that practice but had nothing to use it on. I always thought I’d like to illustrate someone else’s ideas, because when I hear a good idea I can get super into it and actually feel excited. But I don’t even know how I’d go about finding a creative relationship like that. Plus, I used to do graphic design for a living and I know how trash artist-customer interactions can be, so I wouldn’t want to do it for money. My ideal is finding someone with an actually high quality idea for some passion project, that I can help them execute as a team rather than as someone they’re paying. But I guess that’s a pipe dream.

No. 1887189

>>1887111
My best friend is like that, she always asks me for ideas, so what I lack in talent she lacks in ideas you could say, and we kind of help each other like that.
So maybe get a creative friend to help you out.

No. 1887192

>>1886993
I wouldn’t say they’re intrusive but yeah. I also get really annoyed that my parents never supported me.
Won’t stop me learning but I also get jealous of people who improve so quickly when they put their mind to it

No. 1887214

>>1887179
Maybe you should get into RP groups or DnD or something. They are usually full of people with creative ideas (also degens and freaks of course, it's never easy to find someone you click with) but maybe you can make lasting friendships there so you won't have to worry about getting taken advantage of. Or check out itch.io game jams, there are always at least some teams searching for artists.
Last year I felt the same way you do, I was even getting desperate enough to browse the tapas forum for collab requests but never contacted anyone because entering that kind of creative relationship with strangers seemed too difficult. It only got better for me after I found a new game I became passionate about making fanart for. It helped me realize what aspects of characters I like drawing the most and I ended up designing my own. Now I'm never running out of things to draw

No. 1887226

I feel like I have too many ideas, I'm stuck in this constant cycle of nearly finishing something and then getting a new idea and take a break from the original drawing and end up nearly finishing and the cycle continues ad absurdum. I have works in progress in the hundreds and all they need are a couple hours to finish up but I lose motivation as soon as open the files up, kek.

No. 1887509

File: 1707876218489.png (1.64 MB, 943x943, notanime.png)

>>1884419
How? Aside from obvious silly mistakes (that take a few minutes to fix from anyone even trying) I don't have anything solid. "It's too good to be true" or "this gives me a funny feeling" or "you've produced too many master-quality works in too short a time" are the best I've got.

No. 1887544

Just want to vent for a minute because I’m in an art class at university while I wrap up my degree, and while my professor is a very nice person they get so serious with me regarding what I want to do in the future. They always talk to me after class with life/career advice. I kind of get why they like talking to me because 80% of the students are barely taking the class seriously, but I work full time and it’s so hard to find consistent time to do art. I wish I could balance making art and the rest of my life more but I just haven’t really had that opportunity. No one else in my family has a college degree so stuff like doing a masters program, networking, having a personal website were never things anyone talked to me about.

My school also really pushes finding a “niche” for portfolio building but I’m from a graphic design background and my skills are all over the place. I was previously taught that it’s better to be able to fill a bunch of roles but with this school’s art department they want you to focus on one thing. I don’t know what my thing is so far, but of course it’s possible to do an entire semester for portfolio building or independent study

No. 1887558

>>1886908
It's because the ai bros themselves usually can't tell kek, it's a self report more than anything

No. 1887714

>>1887509
reverse image.

No. 1887802

>>1887509
The process of being an artist trains your eyes and all of these become as obvious as a troon even in their ant sized socmed icons

No. 1887807

>>1887509
i wish i could paint like this but i dont think its possible in digital

No. 1887823

>>1887179
Find a book you like and start illustrating scenes and characters or something. Otherwise, start shopping a portfolio around to small indie studios/online projects and see if you can catch someone's eye to illustrate for (and idk tell them you'll do it for free if you want that)

No. 1887840

File: 1707900564162.jpg (493.88 KB, 2220x3080, FqcOXdIaMAE_O8q.jpg)

Does anyone know of artists with super detailed styles? I really wanna do some master studies to improve at rendering.

No. 1887841

>>1887807
More than possible in digital(I know it's not in the exact same style but the skill the robot leeched off is similar)

No. 1887845

>>1887841
I meant the texture and stuff. I have yet to see a realistic digital painting that didnt look plastic.

No. 1887851

>>1887807
It's really not that hard, you just need to know how to paint or how traditional artists paint and mimic it, have some appropriate brushes for the effects you want, then know what kind and how to apply a filter/texture to the final product to get the canvas or aged look if the pic needs it

No. 1887854

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>>1887840
Why not skip the middleman and just do texture studies

No. 1887856

>>1887854
It's just easier to study

No. 1888330

File: 1707941745047.png (177.99 KB, 500x317, 0ce95e352391a831215fda1878b5f2…)

Do any anons here know of any good custom lineart brushes for ibis, or maybe even good settings for the standard brushes? I tried searching on pinterest but most of them are no good and better fitted for messy artstyles.

No. 1888508

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>>1887840
I would go with Charles Bargue for rendering studies.

No. 1889534

File: 1708029216548.jpeg (127 KB, 564x789, 1668058673382.jpeg)

I still wish lolcow had an art thread, or atleast a discord where people posted work. Still boggles my mind that 4chan anon is able to have serveral while we can't have one.

No. 1889543

>>1889534
same nonnie. i have no idea where to share my art to ask for constructive criticism.

No. 1889566

>>1887807
All those images have a filter on them to give them that vintage look. You can find similar ai images done of "movie screen caps" in a grainy film look similar to VHS films

No. 1889571

>>1889534
If amino didn't go to shit you could've used that. The website might still work but the app is broken and has been abandoned by the devs.

No. 1889610


No. 1889611

>>1889543
Pretty sure there's a rate my art thread in /m/ that's not dead

No. 1889830

idc if i sound like a hater but i think it's really annoying when artists only trace (or heavily copy) other people's drawings and then only post the painting process. they're decent at rendering but that's all they have. i think they'd have an aneurysm if they tried creating an original work

No. 1889898

>>1889830
I've always hated those. They are just as boring as the ones who copy photos but plagiarizing digital artwork in this fashion is even worse. Artists who have to rely this heavily on a reference are worthless, they have nothing to say. Actually soulless

No. 1889916

>>1889830
I feel the same with these kind of drawings: Hyper realism is hard, I know, and using references is good, I know too. But why don't you make an original pose rather than use something straight from the photo?

No. 1890000


No. 1890001

>>1889830
Tried to paint with watercolour over ink? kek

No. 1890016

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>>1889830
Art pages that solely consist of copying other people's anime drawings are only appealing to people who don't draw or make art in general. The fact that the channel you posted has a video of a drawing this shitty, as well as AI videos leads me to believe that this guy 100% just feeds prompts into AI image generators and copies them.

No. 1890228

>>1889916
I agree, I'll admit that photorealism isn't easy to pull off but it's so boring to watch people just practically perform as human copy machines. It's not interesting or creative, it's like solving a mathematical formula. Replicating real life like landscapes is one thing as it's your personal interpretation of something you're experiencing, but just redrawing celebrity photos has to be the most boring kind of content I know of, especially because most of time time when these people are made to create something original they short circuit and don't know what to do.

No. 1890240

>>1889916
I've just personally never been interested in drawing what I could take a photo of in a second, even less so if it's an already existing photo. It's a skill, just not one for me

No. 1890299

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shit >>>>>>>>>> power gap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moid artists who only draw with an alias ink brush and ugly or no colors and blank background and walls of internet poisoned coomer text whose only "artistic value" is a sense of anatomy and form to draw women with porn proportions to rile up their thousands of equally degenerate followers. As specific as this archetype is they're all over the internet like bugs, picrel has got to the the poster child. Even some coomer artists do things with color or light or composition or environments that you could extract a little appreciation of beauty from, but shit like this is picking up a pencil for absolutely nothing but propagating pornsickness and internet retardation. Whenever I catch an accidental glimpse of one I'm filled with disgust because these scrotes are mind body and soul just pure filth.

No. 1890312

>>1890299
What's an alias ink brush?

No. 1890335

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How do you color study? It's something I really struggle with. I can copy an image and make the colors look like the original, but that's not what I want. I want interesting palettes. I try following palettes sets, and while the colors look good, it looks pop arty. I want to get interesting colors, but not fuck up the character's color scheme to the point it's unrecognizable. Does that make sense?

No. 1890339

What's your guilty pleasure artist, nonnies? I am in love with Auroradiation's art and have been studying her style for a while.

No. 1890353

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Can anyone recommend good furry artists who don't fetishize animal parts? I love anthro animals but I'm uncomfortable with the sexualization of animals characteristics that seem to dominate the furry community. Anyone feels the same? Pic unrelated.

No. 1890387

>>1890299
ew I’m always going to hate this disgusting fucking coomer moid. He needs to be put down. ‘hahah it’s just a joke! it’s just a joke’ it’s never a joke kill yourself his “art” is a hundred times more repulsive than straight up hentai.
god I hate him so much. the art is just shitty enough that it’s recognizable among the flood of over rendered Japanese porn art (which is kind of neutral enough to ignore). the “humor” relies on knowing what shortstack goblins and bad end orc hentai are. you have to be so far gone, if you’re so far degenerated irs over for you and you’ll never be able to go back. gotta love the /v/ memes whining about games not having enough titties in them. all the video game/meme humor injected into it makes it so much worse somehow. his drawing of bayonetta was so repulsive, his obvious mommy/pregnancy fetish truly distills the male psyche to its core, “what if I had a mommy I could nut in?”. like ‘dnd pregnant elf slut alignments’. was a pregnant elf slut not enough, you had to do some funny epic meme about it? all the fetishes target the same male human slug who expects to be serviced but calls it femdom. I truly wish I could bludgeon myself about the head and forget I ever saw them.
sorry for blog but my ex used to like and retweet this guy a lot and always say it was a joke like, I can’t believe I was dumb enough to believe him. Every time I feel bad I remember this guys degenerate comics and am glad he’s out of my life

No. 1890391

>>1890299
Content aside I think his art is good. From what I've seen his coomer audience will bid between hundreds to thousands of dollars for one commission slot + the hourly pay for the commission itself, so I don't think he has a reason to stop. I wonder if he ever gets sick of drawing "humor" coom

No. 1890396

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>>1890353
>Can anyone recommend good artists who draw cute ecchi-style anime girls but don't fetishize them? I love the exaggerated figures, small outfits, and big eyes/hair but I'm uncomfortable with the sexualization of the drawings that seem to dominate the community. Anyone feels the same? Pic unrelated.
How you sound. You're looking for not-sexual images in a coomer/fetish community. Just accept what furries are. Non-sexual furry art doesn't exist because to furries the animal parts are hot. It's not even worth digging through all the coom to find the people who aren't publicly posting their jerkoff material (but probably still post it on a secret alt account)

No. 1890403

>>1890353
yoginnnnnn on twitter
I don’t know any others but you can probably look through her following. For reference I strongly dislike the pic you posted kek

>>1890396
There is non sexual furry art though, as well as non sexual anime girl art. Not every anime girl is a sparkly pink homunculus in retard clothes

No. 1890427

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>>1890403
I think it’s so funny that furries have convinced people that’s true. It used to be a joke that they would repeat that line to defend themselves over and over and every time their secret diaper furry pictures or similar would get leaked. The only nonsexual anthro stuff is for children and even that isn’t always safe once you go online. Something like Beatrix Potter is ok, but that’s not the kind of anthro art furries are making.

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No. 1890469

>>1890427
>I think it’s so funny that furries have convinced people that’s true.
That's kind of dumb, retarded even. No shit, there is no such thing as a pure subculture or a pure artist. By that logic, all people who draw anime are pedophilic degenerates, anyone who draws horror is secretly a necrophile or degenerate who gets off to gore, and so on. There's obviously going to be a dark side to anything, but there's obviously going to be the opposite. To deny either side is stupid.

No. 1890479

>find artist i really like
>its a shotafag
every.single.time

No. 1890481

>>1890469
It's kind of a "you know it when you see it" thing. No such thing as non-sexual fetish art, so "non sexual furry art" just sounds like a misnomer. I'm not calling beatrix potter a furry, I'm more saying that furries have tried to hitch their image to innocent anthro art for years and I think it's finally working which is darkly funny to me. I see people using "furry" like it's not a fetish term. Weirds me out.

No. 1890497

>>1890479
Which one was it?

No. 1890542

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>>1890497
@Takn_6333 I just really like detailed backgrounds

No. 1890771

I don’t want to start AI shitflinging but god, I feel like I’ll never fully be able to enjoy any art, music, literature, shows, movies, or games made after 2021 ever again because I’ll always have that underlying thought of “what if this was made with AI.” I guess the small bright side is I can catch up on a lot of stuff I missed…

No. 1890778

>>1890771
meh to be fair most songs made after 90's are chuckfull of autotune, modern movies are slop made for the chinese market, i have no interest in modern books because it's all the same shit i have read a million times already. I think online art is at least miles better than all of that and probably the only modern form of art i can still enjoy, it's easy to tell when a drawing is AI anyways

No. 1890839

>>1890778
What's up with the US and their obsession with china kek Every time I see an english-speaker person complain about movies/art they always bring up some conspiracy theory about it being china's fault

No. 1890860

>>1890839
big ass box office earnings

No. 1890928

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>>1890312
Alias means a hard pixelated edge. It's commonly in the specific brand of moid artist whose media tabs are just line drawings of womens' bodies on grey backgrounds. It's so visually gross.

No. 1890943

>>1890928
Tbh I kind of like the top right one but yeah, most of these are coomer trash. I can see the appeal but it’s so low effort and samey, almost makes me wonder how much of an audience there would be if I did the same thing but with men kek

No. 1891031

>>1890396
Why the hostile response kek. Anon probably just meant anthros in general and not the subsection of furries that draw YCH gangbangs or whatever.

>>1890335
You literally answered yourself, your goal in color studies, and studies in general, is to learn what works and not just copy the entire thing mindlessly. You should probably read James Gurney's Color and Light to have some understanding the way light works to supplement your palettes.

No. 1891079

>>1890542
How can I draw detailed backgrounds like this? It is a picture painted over/referenced? I'm sick of being completely useless with backgrounds

No. 1891093

>>1891079
I think it would be pretty easy to find a reference image for, maybe practice split perspective a bit? Digital art probably makes this really easy because you can start just copying the reference image and render it on its own layer then draw the subject on a new layer.

No. 1891122

>>1890481
>I see people using "furry" like it's not a fetish term
Isn't it not a fetish term but term for someone part of a community, like weeb?

No. 1891138

>>1891122
I would say furry is equivalent to weeb, furfag is equivalent to lolicon

No. 1891144

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>>1890353
I don't know much about ovopack but from the art I've seen none of it seems to be creepy.

No. 1891160

>>1890353
>>1891144
Also it really sucks that furries have hijacked every anthropomorphic iteration of an animal and placed it under a furry umbrella. You can't say you find anthro-ised animals cute or neat in concept without a furry insisting that means you are one. They intentionally include everything under the sun in the furry umbrella just to make their degenerate community look better. Liking argonians doesn't make you a furry, nor does liking ancient Egyptian deities, nor liking Beatrix Potter. Beatrix didn't even have a concept of furries whenever she was making her cute animal art she was just making cute art for children. It doesn't compare to some degenerates fursona, which they draw erotica of in its feral form.
You can create/enjoy anthro animal art without it being "furry art" despite how much the furries insist otherwise, they are not one in the same.

No. 1891275

>>1891160
Agree- I'm a fan of xenofiction, which is literature written from a non-human perspective (animal, alien, or even machine), and it's very difficult to talk about the genre without people assuming furry shit (to be fair a lot of them do like them). I just like it because it's an interesting writing/thought exercise and can explore ideas in a way that using a human pov might struggle with (plus it's interesting how it's historically helped animal welfare, such as with Black Beauty).

Furries try to claim everything innocuous related to animals/anthro characters because they want the halo effect of that positive thing to help obscure the more rotten parts of the community, or are just speds who think if they like something then it must relate directly to every other thing they like or centre their identity around.

No. 1891323

>>1891079
same nonny, finding references suck because most are so boring. I was thinking of dl sims 4 and seeing if i can build my own bgs with cc to study from.

No. 1891393

There's this artist who I follow who waits for a few hours after posting art on the bird app and then likes it herself. She does this to every single art piece that isn't a wip. Can't be bothered to look into if she does this on other platforms but on her ig bio she states she "has low self-esteem"… you don't say?

No. 1891398

>>1891393
Isn't that an algorithm thing? Not sure if it still works, but on some sites liking your own posts within a certain amount of time can help it get around or something (that's what I've heard, anyway, no idea how true that ever was). Does her stuff get any attention outside of her own likes?

No. 1891402

>>1891398
>Does her stuff get any attention outside of her own likes?
Likes ranging from 40 to 200 and rts 20 to 60

No. 1891446

>>1891393
aww she sounds really sweet

No. 1891466

>>1891093
Thanks! I was thinking of this, but could I get in trouble because I used a reference that doesn't belongs to me in a drawing?

>>1891323
That's such a good idea kek

No. 1891476

>>1891393 inspired me to mention my own little personal lolcow so might as well go for it.

There's an artist I used to follow who's pretty well known in a gacha game fandom. She's no 100k follower behemoth but she sits at a comfortable 20k-30k (forgot the exact number) and has a fanbase to fall back on. Her art is fine. But to me she became a lolcow the day it got out that she got that following of hers by drawing some of the most decrepit coomer content imaginable, ranging from regular moid shit to disgusting fetishes like morbid obesity. She got a lot of followers but also got a ton of shit for it because her art clogged categories for certain characters so it was almost impossible to search for art of some of those characters without coming across at least one piece of hers featuring them looking like a landwhale getting mobraped.

But to be honest the part that annoyed me the most wasn't even her disgusting coomer art but rather her attitude because she's a strong contestant for the world's biggest humblebragger, to the point she often RT's those cringy ass vent posts of smaller artits lamenting that their art gets no attention when her doodles alone can rank up to 200 to 300 likes, only for her to say "guys ;w; i get so depressed when my art gets less than 200 likes i feel like i'm not good enough!!!!". She constantly goes on and on about how she wishes she was "truly skilled" and wants her art to "do well online" just to get some sympathy posts and pats on the back from her followers. Recently she has decided to throw her art style out of a window and just tries to copy Alfons Mucha's style and compositions instead but without studying any of his pieces, so the end result is a shitty looking bootleg.

She's not extremely milky, at least not in public, but I enjoyed seeing the fandom drama that surrounded her nonstop. I just wanted to finally get to talk about her because this shit has been going on for 5 years now and not stopping anytime soon.

No. 1891580

I feel like my rendering skills are so behind my drawing skills. I used to think they went hand in hand, but after seeing really good skilled artists with shit rendering skills and really skilled painters with shit anatomy skills i realized they are separate and one skill doesnt determine the other. I recently picked up rendering and i am so behind my rendermaxing friends kek god help me
>>1891466
>That's such a good idea kek
kek thanks anon. Now where do you learn how to make environments like this? i imagine it must be trial and error but i have 0 taste. Sometimes it makes me sad the sims is such a normie game because i am dying for building game with modern graphics.

No. 1891582

>>1891476
drop the @ of the artists she sounds funny

No. 1891595

>>1891476
200 likes is quite low for her follower count tbh, smaller artists will get 1-2k+ per drawing if they are good even for doodles. Her fanbase does not pay attention because she likely got most of her followers for spamming shitty coom instead of her actual skill/content. Hence the meltdowns. Good for her for trying to improve even if it's through bad copies instead of drawing more coom

No. 1891601

>>1890299
I personally like just two colored drawings and probably because I love the sketch process of monotone. This seems like a personal nitpick to be mad at kek

No. 1891650

>>1891601
do you know which thread you are in? his art is shit anyways, there are thousands of really good artists that draw in black and white and that are actually talented, unlike that hack

No. 1891671

>>1891650
But the main complaint is the lack of color which is pretty nitpicky.

No. 1891698

>>1891595
Sadly she still draws coom, I think she just stopped drawing landwale porn (of if she does she keeps it in another account) but in her main account she often still posts some degen shit and keeps going "guys i promise i'll stop okay i'll stop" (spam posts) "omg guys why are you liking my work it's soooo baddd!!!" (before complaining about getting low metrics) and so on. It's her attitude that annoys me more than her drawing coom.

No. 1891748

>>1891671
did you stop reading there? she mentioned tons of things outside of that.

No. 1891935

>whatever art you make is simply devalued simply by your nationality
>whatever art you make is simply devalued in your own country by the simple fact of also sharing a devalued nationality with them
I don't think there's a more looming demotivator to me than this. You could be a master at your craft and people will still regard you as literal dog shit for existing and making art, especially in your home country. God I wish I lived somewhere the arts are valued. Feels like as if if you're born in certain countries you and your art are infinitely more valuable and given more support.

No. 1892018

>>1891935
what are you talking about?

No. 1892026

>>1891466
Well everyone uses reference, that’s normal, I think even the Oyasimi PunPun author basically just re renders his backgrounds based on existing photos. I guess look for royalty free stuff if you’re really worried. Side note but i wonder why jp artists get cancelled so easily for ‘plagiarism’ for using references.

No. 1892038

>>1892018
Nta but that nonnie is saying that she lives in some country where art is seen as a waste of time and is treated as such.

No. 1892056

>>1892026
In his Manben, he explains all the backgrounds are photos he can take and then use photoshop to trace them. The problem is how to place the characters in the perspective so they don't look off.

In DeviantArt you can find free-for-copyright stock images so you can trace the backgrounds without problems.

No. 1892128

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This isn't an attack on this lady but I just can't see how getting no sales makes you want to quit an art community entirely.
It just seems unfathomable to me that your entire base in this community was on people finding your art important enough to buy. Not everyone has money. A lot of artist understand a majority of their following is people who will never buy from them. Especially ones who create artisan works that sell for high prices for a single piece. I think bjds would be included in this. It's a feat that she managed to get a full body resin doll of her own sculpt yet she's upset that others didn't want to buy it. The doll was priced at $600. That's not a small chunk of money. I think she set her dreams too high. She could've made a simpler doll set at a lower price. Hell theres some dude who sells dolls he didn't even sculpt himself and he gets buyers.
And to add onto this she only had around a 2,000 follower base, a 2,000 follower base and she set up a pre order for a $600 doll. And now she's leaving the community. She should just build a community showing off sculpts of her personal dolls. I'm sure eventually she would've gained a big enough following to obtain a buyer base and then could've tested the waters on a pre-order doll and got backers. She was aiming way too high, and fell on her ass and now she wants to quit. What a waste.

No. 1892134

>>1892128
You made me remember this collector and how much she spends in BJD. I think 600$ for that doll, which will takes tons of time to repaint and all sounds a bit ambitious. Most of the BJD I have seen being sell as butter are ones with human skin tone, not one from the Eiffel 65's video music. Probably she should have aimed to doll re painters, not collectors, imo.

If she wants to get rid of that doll, at least do an auction?

No. 1892144

>>1892128
What an unappealing doll mould, that elbow joint looks awful in particular. It looks like a shitty Zelf and Monster High hybrid.
Anyways I feel a little sorry for this lady but god I hate people who only go into hobbies for only money because you're not really doing it for the sake of the hobby itself, you're just trying to run a buisness competing against people who are more experinced than you and know what people in the scene want.
Anyways if she wants that doll taken out of her hands she should spray it all white and do an auction like >>1892134 nona said.

No. 1892157

>>1892144
This. If you have been in a hobby for so long, you would notice what people like or don't, so expecting them to buy the doll you made was a big mistake, specially one that looks so uncustomizable. Probably those doll artist that do customization might want it, but not at that price. I know I sound like a full hypocrite because I don't like to people to devalue their work, but she went to the wrong hobby expecting a big sale. If she's so good at doing BJD, why doesn't she open a Youtube channel and shows her skills?

No. 1892168

>>1892144
>>1892134
She doesn't want the doll taken out of her hands it was a self sculpted doll. She wanted the feeling of knowing her art was important enough to others to buy it. She talks about how much time she spent on making the doll yet can't fathom that she has to spend time building a buyer base as well. It's like she went straight to wanting to be insta famous and able to live off her craft. It was a very out of touch take and equally superficial one. She only cared enough about her doll to want to resell it. Which is why I say it's a waste. She could hone her skills and make a truly good looking doll, as well as build up her following and get a good buyer base but she has no true love of the craft and just wants to profit off her work instead.

No. 1892198

>>1892168
Then she's barking at the wrong tree.

No. 1892479

>>1892018
>Nta but that nonnie is saying that she lives in some country where art is seen as a waste of time and is treated as such.
Yes, sorry, more or less. I should've explained it better but I was pretty demoralized after I made that post and immediately went to bed. It sucks that you have to basically have to approximate yourself to another country that respects the arts before even beginning to get taken seriously. And to give you an idea, at the end of the day the same people will criticize you for not being patriotic enough and not using a culturally relevant art form, even though the entirety of the industry is inherently encouraged into distancing itself from our own culture to achieve genuine success. Terrible. I hate this. It genuinely feels like a seedy family member who doesn't give a fuck about you 99% of the time but pops in to ask you something if you get a new job or a cool car. I bitch but that just means I have to grind my fundies more. If the country I live in doesn't value art then I have to value it by myself and prove my worth in the international market.

No. 1892615

>>1891935
I feel this on a deeply personal level, nona. I was born in a country that doesn't give a shit about art and that the only way to go up in the career is through literal nepotism or shameless bootlicking to the point you nearly have to sell out entirely. I studied in prestigious art schools, I don't mean to brag but I was at the top of my class, my had support from my family and friends and even teachers all my life- and even then I was still seen as lesser than my fellow highschool friends who chose to follow more "valued" careers. They were doctors, lawyers, engineers, IT workers, psychologists and I was just one more artist. I could see in people's eyes that they thought I was some poor delusional individual insisting on living a dream that has a dead end because art has no place in my country.

My work was still worth nothing in my own country, the pay was absolute garbage and I'd never be able to sustain myself financially be it freelance or with a stable art or design-related job. Many times I thought about changing careers entirely. The only reason I didn't give up was because I managed to move to a different country that does value art and where I can actually follow with my career.

Being and artist or designer born in and living in a country that doesn't value art as a career is one of the most depressing scenarios possible. Everyone and everything is against you and your success and you need to fight like a dog to get a crumb that other careers would reach much more easily. I hope you're able to move to a better place in the future, nona.

No. 1892861

>>1891031
Thanks, I'll take a look at that. Maybe I'm overcomplicating things when I work on big pieces. Working with digital art really poisoned my drawing process and led me to abuse layer modes. It gets me stuck in a loop of fixing colors and values all the time. When I just pick colors in sketches they look much better and put together in comparison.

No. 1892968

I started drawing men recently and it annoys me that their faces look a little bit smooshed, as my brain and hand are hardwired on drawing mostly cute anime girls.
I want to slowly move to semirealism and while it was easier to do for women, drawing male characters seems hard cause I have to study anatomy.
If any nonna has a good tutorial for drawing men, face and body, help this poor soul out please.

No. 1893044

>>1873146
>>1873234
Randomly checked in on her tumblr bc she popped in my head today. Anon was calling her out for the loli shit and she sperged out
https://iuciferic.tumblr.com/(this is an imageboard, post screenshots when you link offsite)

No. 1893046

>>1893044
KEK I love the "this is why artists are robotic art machines because of you people who ruin all the fun" like please girl you're drawing loli DDLG shit shut up

No. 1893053

>>1893046
>>1893044
she deleted some posts. there was more and all she could do was string cuss words together and insult them for being a "dumbass American". Also, she said for people to send her proof of the accusations when shit like >>1873420 is on her twitter lmao

No. 1893058

>>1893044
the thing i hate the most about this girl and saagelious is that they lie to themselves and, worst of all, try to paint this ddlg trash as femgazey content. Please just rebrand as a lolicon and leave femgaze stuff alone, we dont need more pedos and old men.

No. 1893065

>>1893053

I love when those people always use the same deflecting methods, because it just shows how they're 100% aware of what they're doing but they're in denial. It's always the "dumb Americans" that "ruin artists' fun" and she even has the gall to ask for proof when the proof is her own art and therefore she'll never acknolwedge it even if it's thrown directly at her face.

>>1893058
Lmao femgaze? The only femgaze is her own because no femgaze content has those disgusting Big Old Man With Little Coquette Girl dynamics. I wish she'd at least own up to her act and tag her art for what it is aka lolicon/dom daddy little girl fetish.

No. 1893254

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Is Tumblr even a good place to post or look at art anymore?I'm bored to hell with it.it's not like it use to be,it's dying really fast.barely any engagement with anyone.im thinking of moving to bluesky

No. 1893279

>>1893254
Absolutely not, just move to Bluesky or one of the other Twitter alternatives.

No. 1893289

>>1893254
I'm not a popular artist at all, but I get some engagement. However you wont make it far unless you draw trannies or fanarts (or both)
The only thing that's keeping my tumblr blog open is the regular commissioners I have

No. 1893338

>>1893279
>Bluesky
How much traction does that site actually get?

No. 1893360

>>1893254
i think its best to have a main platform but to keep a bunch of alternatives around because who the fuck knows when one will just up and shit the bed, like months ago when apartheid clyde made pretty much every japanese artist panic and run for threads. i run twitter mostly but have a tumblr and reddit (and bluesky, but im kind of mad i was a bit late to the party and my username got taken kek)

No. 1893468

What's the deal with OpenAI Sora?

No. 1893474

>>1893338
nta but I refuse to use bluesky because the only people on my timeline who moved over to it were the wokest ones who were angry with elon musk being a transphobe who allows free speech, that's not the kind of people I want to be around or have as an audience

No. 1893490

>>1893468

As far as I know it's an AI able to generate videos that look pretty realistic. Honestly it's just giving me deja vu from when Midjourney popped out. AI shows up, people freak out, "oh shit it'll destroy the industry!", people eventually stop caring about it save for insecure artists, repeat.

No. 1893509

>>1893468
It's a video generator AI, the main problem is that people can and will use it for vile things (videos of innocent people commiting crimes, porn, etc etc). First thing men did when image AI got better was generating child porn, so things aren't much brigther in the video department.

No. 1893513

>>1893474
>elon musk allows free speech
>elon musk banned all criticism and parodies of himself
>but muh freeze peaches

No. 1893515

>>1893490
>AI shows up, people freak out, "oh shit it'll destroy the industry!", people eventually stop caring about it save for insecure artists, repeat.
This never happened, nobody "stopped caring". It only got worse and people have been warning everyone about it for years. AI is an actual threat to multiple industries and their integrity, just think about the tinfoils about Disney's newest movie Wish being written by AI. Nobody can prove otherwise and if they could pull it off, what's stopping other studios doing the same? In the worst case scenario big media conglomerates will be able to drop hours and hours of slop to push anyone who's actually doing something by hand off the market and ultimately entire jobs will start disappearing completely. It'll be used to replace humans doing creative things, not the tedious and time consuming tasks that could be automated for machines because art has no value to these people.

And not only the industry side of it, it's already being used to create political unrest and traumatize women with deepfakes that are getting better and better at a staggering speed. People saying that "AI will be nothing more than a funny toy" are dangerously optimistic about the outcome and probably won't realize the full effect until it hits them personally like all those retarded techbros shitting their pants over their prompts being "stolen", legislation regarding AI art should be strict and preventative instead of the slow moving reactionary maneuvers being done now.

No. 1893528

>>1893468
its going to be used for CP like all AI.

No. 1893548

>>1893513
ayrt i wasn't defending elon, i was making fun of people for leaving because he allowed transphobes back on twitter

No. 1893764

>>1892168
Based.
Plus the doll is fucking ugly for the price. You could get a monster high with cat hears and that would be way more cheaper to customize.

No. 1893781

>>1893044
>posts deleted except for the one with somebody supporting her
Damn does anybody have screenshots lol? Can’t find it on wayback

No. 1893825

>>1893254

Not knocking you or anything nona, but I wished artists would quit harping on about bluesky like it's better than Twitter. There are some artists who stupidly moved there exclusively and don't post anywhere else. I'm so sick of the microblogging twitterlike formatting. there isn't anything better bluesky has to offer. And now that it's open it's just going to be another twitter. Identical userbase same bullshit only you can't tag properly or private your account. Blocking is public, too, anyone can access that information. It's so retarded. Who makes a platform so backwards like that.

No. 1893858

HOW DO I LEARN TO DRAW STUPID FUCKING HANDS
I HATE THIS SHIT, STUPID PIECE OF MEAT WITH 5 FUCKING ANOREXIC SAUSAGES AS FINGERS

No. 1893865

Lots of posts in these threads are about online drama, but anyone have some good artist alley and con drama?

No. 1893909

How's the commission climate these days? Still bad?

No. 1893915

>>1893528
oh fuck, I forgot all about that, I was always imagining how terrible this Sora thing is going to be for politics and all of the gullible Facebook parents.

No. 1893980

>>1892968
You know what to do. Study anatomy. Male and female faces have the same overall structures and if you master them it will be easier to adpat different features in semi realistic style. If you just copy anime tutorials you'll get stuck with same faces and style.

No. 1894018

>>1893865
Little to no con/AA drama because word would get around. There’s a lot of gatekeeping for good or bad reasons. I love drama too but cons seem to be struggling just like commissions.

No. 1894041

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Why don't americans give a shit about their artists? It's insane that every single generic moeshitter artist in japan gets an artbook but the only Dean Cornwell artbook was extremely limited and now its 300usd on ebay. So many of my favourite artists are American(personally they are the best artists) but so few have artbooks or high quality scans, or even small biographies remembering them. It's so sad, it's hard being an Americanboo because it feels like I care more about American culture than actual Americans.

No. 1894043

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>>1894041
a bit of a vent but it makes me angry that if i search albert beck on google all the pages are about some faggot therapist no one gives a shit about

No. 1894055

>>1894041
>>1894043
I also love American painters. These are beautiful.

No. 1894056

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No. 1894058

Kind of disapointed on how my own laziness to finish my drawings impaired me, they always remain as sketches with some color in them sometimes. Never with lineart and more interesting painting.

No. 1894060

>>1894058
same but in my case its not lazyness, i just suck at painting. I envy those artists who just are naturally talented at colors and composition, everything i do looks ugly.

No. 1894070

>>1893254
I don't post on the website, but tumblr is still useful for me with the tag system. Twitter has more of the artists I like, but I hate scrolling through twitter profiles so I use tumblr more often. It is a much better platform for saving and finding references.

No. 1894080

>>1894041
Americans do care but content is limited here too. I can’t find Bouguereau collections for example and art history college courses skip over the 1800’s-1910’s and go straight to abstract expressionism. It’s maddening.

No. 1894129

>>1893858
If you're on digital
>draw image up to the hands
>take phone picture of your hands in correct position, angle, and perspective (go far from the camera if it's too warped)
>slap photo into layer
>trace hand into line work
And if it's drawing on paper
>take phone image
>put phone at max bright
>trace lightly the outline of the hands (becasue touching the phone will move the image)

And then be mad that it still looks funky and there's no way to make it better somehow…

No. 1894130

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>>1893858
Draw them a lot. Follow some of the simpler tutorials you can find by googling or looking on pinterest to get a feel for it, then do some photo studies or check out Hogarth. Fill a few pages with hands, use the timed mode from line of action if you want. Pick your favorite manga or comic artist and study how they do it, just try to redraw their hands and then attempt to draw them on your own in a similar way

No. 1894143

>>1893865
I've been getting convention stuff on my feed, and is it true that it's nearly impossible to actually get a table in big cons now? Some artists were saying that they've been giving tables to art theifs and ai promoters instead of actual artists. I can't speak bc I've never tabled but that sounds like a literal nightmare. Tabling seems less viable to even use as a source of income with how expensive everything is anyway.

No. 1894147

>>1894143
I don't know about giving tables to AI scams and art thiefs but I've seen that for a while now tables have been getting exponentially more expensive and some bigger, more famous artists have been buying more than one table for themselves so that they may get a bigger store area and that might be making it difficult for smaller artists to pay up and squeeze in.

No. 1894203

>>1894143
I'm new to tabling, but I have connected a lot with more seasoned artists. From their experiences and looking up things, it has def gotten much more competitive because:

>A lot of people took up art over the pandemic

>AI/Art Thievery not getting checked well or at all
>Certain regions are extremely hard to get in over locals (Cali, Texas, Florida)
>Saturation of similar/flavor of the month characters and series due to trend hopping (ex. Vtubers, Genshin, JJK, Spy Family, etc)
>Tables are ridiculously expensive, as is honestly everything
>People not staying in their lanes (ex. Genshit stuff seeping into gaming tournaments, anime in comic cons, etc)

So, a lot of factors at play. Really wishing I could've jumped in like a decade ago

No. 1894220

>>1894041
There's this one American artist that became like a weird meme in the art community with everyone rushing to study from him. He's really good but that's about it.
Yeah you're right it's actually weird.

No. 1894234

>>1894220
Leyendecker?

No. 1894366

>>1894043
>>1894041
I agree there should be more on american artists. The small knowledge I have on art history was that a lot of artist travelled to Europe to study and a lot of them end up being overshadowed by more prominent artist of that time. I wouldn't be surprised if there is more focus on European artists because of the the prestige their schools had at the time. I understand your frustration.

No. 1894451

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>>1893858
I'm not good at hands but if you understand the gesture of them then you don't have to worry as much about the details. Unless you are creating a very realistic piece. But I also tend to struggle with proportioning them correctly and end up oversizing them so that my figures look like starter imvu avatars. You should try hand gesture studies to help make them look more fluid and natural.
>>1894060
Me too. I also struggle with clothing because I draw bodies and then clothes over them, and most times I'm so proud of the figure I drew I don't want to cover it up with clothes. I'm my worst enemy.

No. 1894572

>>1894220
>>1894234
Loomis, most likely.

>>1894041
The older Dean Cornwell book is hard to get, but the newer one by Illustrated Press has good quality repros in it and goes for $45 retail. Also maybe you're having a difficult time finding shit for him because you're leaving off his last name. https://www.artnet.com/artists/albert-beck-wenzell/

No. 1894685

>>1893513
you can mock him no problem. Nor me or my mutuals faced banning for mocking Musk. You just can't post doxxing or make accounts too similar to real people's profiles

No. 1894746

>>1893254
I got used to it so much I cannot concentrate to make other accounts on other platforms, I only search the favourite characters fanart and don't click "for you" tab and trends, just dropping art and reblog some husbandos with rambling.
I fear Twitter, I think I don't have enough skill to post into more 'official like' platform. I am considering to make acc on DeviantArt.

No. 1894764

>>1894746
DA sucks, like, it's full of AI art. Use instagram, it's a good way to dump pics

No. 1894798

>>1894764
Thanks! I know nothing about Instagram, it feels like a normie app mostly. I'll consider.

No. 1894873

>>1894572
oh my god i had no idea there was a new one thank you nonny!!!

No. 1894920

>>1894041
You probably need to use narrower definitions to find the art you’re looking for, like lowbrow, advertising illustration, magazine/fashion/editorial illustration. There are and were tons of different styles of art used in America. Museums in the US usually sell books related to artists, like the National Museum of American Illustrators in Rhode Island and the Yale New Haven Art Museum.

I do get your frustration though, I tried requesting an instructional drawing book that was published by a traditional art school’s founder, it’s been out of print forever and was supposedly only available in Penn State’s library and my uni library couldn’t get it from them.

No. 1895203

>>1893515
imagine caring about disney in 2023. i hope they do start using ai for everything, that company has been creatively dead since forever. seek out better media. also

>Nobody can prove otherwise and if they could pull it off, what's stopping other studios doing the same? I

creative integrity. if it's some massive corpo then you should assume they lack that kek

>In the worst case scenario big media conglomerates will be able to drop hours and hours of slop to push anyone who's actually doing something by hand off the market and ultimately entire jobs will start disappearing completely.

live musicians weren't made obsolete by synth music, paper mail is still a thing despite emails being way more convenient, all important conversations generally take place in person or over the phone despite text messaging being a thing, horses were not slaughtered in droves because we all started using cars, etc. stop being scared of new tech

>It'll be used to replace humans doing creative things

see the above

>traumatize women with deepfakes

this is the only bad part of your post. then again men have been removing women's clothes in photoshop and copy-pasting their faces over porn clips and imagining them in disgusting ways since the dawn of time so i dunno

No. 1895208

File: 1708454005673.png (1.43 MB, 1960x1684, drapery.png)

i just started drawing (seriously) this year and fabric's kicking my ass. i feel too brainlet for morpho. and while i'm here:
>post your work
>how long have you been studying art
>what tools/books/etc. have been useful to you while learning
>do you have any tips?

No. 1895230

>>1895203
>all technological innovations are good!
>we can, so we should!
>who cares about people losing their jobs and quality of media going down and misinformation running rampant, “progress” above everything! Up up up!
>if you don’t adapt, see ya later suckers! Smart people should scramble to the quickly diminishing space up top ASAP
extremely male mindset

No. 1895241

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fuck nonnies i just want to be good at rendering. Drawing while sucking at rendering makes making art so incredibly difficult and kinda boring. I wish i could understand rendering, it's driving me crazy.

No. 1895250

>>1895230
>all technological innovations are good!
didn't say that. i gave those examples to show nobody is going to lose their livelihoods because of ai shit. if they do, then to be very fucking honest, they weren't worth anything anyway – their "creative output" was essentially on par with ai generations. see the difference between your average cute girl/tumblrshit queerio artist and someone like, yoh yoshinari. one can be replaced and exists in spades, one is an industry legend

>we can, so we should!

didn't say that
>who cares about people losing their jobs
nobody has except the shitters (and even then: i'm not quite sure)
>and quality of media going down
you can't blame ai for this, it's been going on for decades
>and misinformation running rampant
has always happened
>“progress” above everything!
not what i said

tl;dr learn how to read

No. 1895254

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>>1895250
take yoshinari's name out of your filthy mouth, AItard.

No. 1895257

>>1895250
nta every artist can be easily replaced by Ai, doesn't matter how good or bad they are or what they style is. All it takes is a good amount of their work and similar style work being fed into the machine. You maybe haven't seen a certain style being replicated but i's just because nobody did that yet. There no legendary untouchable status for any artist anymore.

No. 1895276

>>1895203
Just to add to the one point that stuck out to me. Horses weren't slaughtered on mass because people started using cars very gradually over the century but you can't deny that there is significantly less horses in the world now than when we were using them for transport. I just think this was a stupid point.

No. 1895278

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>>1895276
You can actually see how photography affected art. You dont see art in magazine covers/advertisement anymore. Anon needs to open a history book.

No. 1895287

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>>1895257
>nta every artist can be easily replaced by AI
as someone who regularly plays around with stable diffusion, bing, nai v3, and other image gen tools, and has also trained multiple loras: this is just incorrect. the shittier the artist the easier they are to replace. the better, the harder. there is NO imagegen tool currently out that can replicate picrel on any level that matters, and i know this because i've tried. it's just too complicated for the ""ai"" (these tools aren't actually intelligent btw, they can't actually think) to grasp. someone like dross? absolutely.

>>1895278
there's nothing special about drawing a 1:1 to something that exists…this kind of proves my point, why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a picture. with ai art: why pay someone to draw you an uninspired image of an anime girl on a white background when you could get it for ten seconds, for free? there were also discussions on (hyper) realism earlier in the thread >>1889916

No. 1895297

>>1895287
>calls the art i posted ugly
>by posting some boring 3edgy5u over rendered turd of an anime girl in a bloddy bathtub because edge=not boring
kek, weebs are so mentally ill. No wonder they have no respect for artists.

No. 1895307

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>>1895287
>why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a picture
Oh my god anon, you're so right you know. It's not as if artists doing advertising actually contributed to art history (specifically American art) and it looks much more appealing than a photo of a product in a white void covered in text. I wish I was as cynical as you, anon.

Also, did you not read what the first nona you replied to said?

No. 1895308

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>>1895291
it being 'boring' isn't even the point tbh…the point is that it's replaceable. easily replaceable. you can't actually go out and photograph a witch in a bathtub full of blood (naturally, anyway), but everyone can photograph a house, hence why photographs are used in magazines. most artists can't render or draw at huang's skill level. like, i doubt you or this >>1895297 anon can kek.

ai can't either – picrel is something from naiv3, widely considered to be the best thing out right now for replicating styles. this is what decades of research and effort have led to – and even the leaps we've seen (and are seeing) in the field now are less "programmers are writing better code and the software's improving" and more "we finally have the hardware to run the software." but anyway: you see it's unable to grasp huang's work.

and i do respect artists…the good ones. i don't care about grifters who realize they're no longer able to push slop because these tools output content roughly on their level.

No. 1895312

>>1895307
corpos and businesses are trying to turn a profit, they don't care about technical skill or artistic spirit or whatever. if it helps sell and it's cheap they will use it. i'm not sure what part of that anon's post i missed

No. 1895331

>>1895308
that picture is not ai? it looks so generic kek

No. 1895332

>>1895331
oh my abd it is AI, i see not difference between >>1895308 and >>1895287 to be honest, both are over-rendered turds and pretty boring to look at. You can definetly do the bathtub witch thing with AI if you are willing to use photoshop. It's not really that unique.

No. 1895343

>>1895287
Nonna watch new manga themed Ai come out next month that can do exactly picrel. Nothing is too complicated now. There are way more comlicated things being done already.

No. 1895357

>>1895343
nta but doing something like that with AI is possible. I have played with AI and if you are willing to expend 20 minutes photoshopping you can do something that looks exactly like that
>dl 3d program and make 3d background
>run it through img2img
>boom you get the background
>use 3d program to quickly model the witch girl
>run it through img2img
>boom girl is done
>do the same for the moid
>photoshop it all together on ps
>presto you have generic animu painting n2514525
people dont talk enough about img2img but it would surprise me if a lot of people were using it because its insane the amount of stuff you can do with it in comparison to normal text to img AI.

No. 1895414

>>1895287
>why would you pay someone to "create" an image this boring when you could just take a picture
Kek it’s a beautifully stylized drawing of a scene, and this is what the AIfag has to say, as they proceed to post a picture of an anime girl sitting in a bloody bathtub as “unreplicatable genius”
They really love being walking stereotypes kek

No. 1895611

>>1894798
It's chill unless you're intentionally looking to cause problems, just don't get addicted to scrolling

No. 1895622

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>>1895287
Tell me you did not just say that about still life works. A human rendering of a still life image will always be more charming and imaginative than a photograph. This is no hate to photography but humans paint what they perceive, not what is there.

No. 1895626

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Who are some good creature artists ?

No. 1895633

Question to all nonnas: how long did it take you to feel content in the way you draw clothing folds and draping? How much did you practise?

No. 1895637

>>1895287
It took me so long to figure out what was going on in this picture, the persspecribe is ok but the rendering just turns it completely flat

No. 1895638

>>1895633
I still use references, I'll put on similar items of clothing and take pictures of myself. I can't conjure it from my head and have never been able to.

No. 1895645

>>1895626
Terryl Whitlatch

No. 1895650

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>>1895626
Brian Froud

No. 1895743

>>1895633
idk about 20 minutes to get the gist of it and then improve as I went and studied. Folds and drapery are mostly about tension points and direction, as well as how much and what kind of material is present. Don't overthink it anon, just use plenty of references and do breakdowns of the folds you see and analyse why they're formed the way they are. A lot of artists also use shortcuts and generic folds/drapery as well, since you mostly just need character art to look convincing rather than accurate/a full 2D fabric sim kek. You'll get there.

(for context as well I started as an animal/creature artist and had learned a lot of the basics of folds and 'drapery' intuitively while doing that, so it wasn't so hard when I switched over to drawing human characters in all their clothed glory. everyone learns at different paces and has different art backgrounds that can help or hinder them at different tasks, so don't stress if clothing feels like arcane bullshit while you're learning)

No. 1895746

>>1895287
Me on my period

No. 1895883

>>1895287
Am I tripping or wasn’t there an anon in the ai threads who posted spooky generated images of bloody men and one or more of them were in bloody bathtubs. Nonna is this a fetish thing?

No. 1895899

>>1895883
Nta but yes.

No. 1896080

>>1895626
RJ Palmer is a gross coomer moid tho

No. 1896144

>>1895257
>nta every artist can be easily replaced by Ai
My "Norman Rockwell" generations from Stable diffusion still look like yassified beady eyed airbrushed pixar sludge from its inception but okay, tech illiterate corporate shill. Anime shit was already inbred and identical with same face, I'll be glad when it's completely made redundant by its own consoomers. My ultimate hope is that anime and manga art will have some semblance of individualism to it's fucking characters and even premises after twenty years of absolutely near none save for a few somewhat distinct artists.

>>1895308
Your thought process appears to be mentally retarded. Anyone can't photograph a animu in a bathtub, yeah because animus don't exist irl weeb but guess what? they do on the fucking internet in abundance and are scraped regularly. Unlike distinct artists works being stolen I say good riddance to generic samey anime sameface art like the shit you've posted. Millions of hentai will be scalped and scraped in the dataset to remake the dog shit you posted.

Good stylized realism is rare for the reason you claim your not like the other animus anime isn't; next to no one's good at stylized realism. Recreations of Rockwell are Disney, Pixar sanitized, yassified catastrophes. AI models will never create a decent Norman Rockwell because artists can't even do the same in order for AI models to scalp and reproduce. As for your anime shit kek, I think you yourself know how easily that will be recreated.

No. 1896171

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I saw my old oc art and painfully thought I wouldn't have given a shit about them if old me was another artist, I still draw them, in fact working on a project for them but I have always been judgmental with how unappealing a lot of oc characters look. I guess that was why I wasn't popular kek.

>>1895208
My only tip is to actually have fun and work on dorky ocs or fan art too, to apply things you learned.

No. 1896195

>>1896171
I'm a bit jealous of people who are passionate with their ocs, I couldn't make consistent ones and even scared to draw my self-inserts so yume wasn't an option for me. For some reason I love one note characters who don't even have any confirmed appearance to make stories with side and main characters. Closest to OCs would be making family members of canon characters. Ugh.
Sage for salt.

No. 1896294

>>1896171
NTA
All I draw is oc bullshit, because I love it and people are starting to love them too, I am just really stubborn about my characters and the comic they're in I'm making, because fanart bores me to fucking tears.

No. 1896433

>>1895638
>>1895743
Thank you both for answering. Simple stuff like scarves and the socks and gloves of Sonic characters come to me easily but anything else is a bit of a headache. I'll keep practising!

No. 1896507

>>1896080
He also capes for trannies hard because he has a brother who is a tranny. His Twitter debates paint him as someone who is incredibly insufferable.

No. 1896517

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her colors look better but damn.. now it just looks like that alegria corporate artstyle. nitpick but the tangents bother me a bit

No. 1896537

>>1896517
There's absolutely no way. You're sure the right is the newest one? It looks awful, like you said those tangents make the piece (especially the legs, wtf is going on there KEK) so unappealing and the entire thing has zero depth in a way that looks weirdly accidental, especially considering how well the left does it.
Also, can you even consider that a study? Assuming it's from a real reference, I feel like you wouldn't learn anything 'studying' in the style on the right.

No. 1896540

>>1896517
the one on the left is the "after" right? RIGHT?

No. 1896555

>>1896517
thought this was rcdart for a sec kek

No. 1896556

>>1896171
I dont get ocs, but i wish i could be into ocs beause most female only discord severs center around ocs.

No. 1896677

>>1896556
Just think about design elements and tropes you like and maybe you'll be able to make one you can care about and would enjoy drawing. It's even more fun when you can draw your ocs with others

No. 1896751

>>1896171
OCs are the only real reason I draw. I'm my own biggest fan, and I'm currently saving up for materials to make standees, bjds, figurines, plush toy etc. kek

No. 1896773

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>>1862923
Jesus Christ that Madotsuki one is so bad. I had to fix it or it would have given me nightmares. Mado phone home

No. 1896776

>>1896773
Your edit is still bad though nona

No. 1896778

>>1896776
I'm aware, just had to make it up to my own standards at least

No. 1896811

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>>1896773
Your edit is not good, sorry. You inspired me to do my own.

No. 1896817

This is giving me flashbacks to the infamous blue lady incident

No. 1896831

>>1894041
what are some of your favorite american artists? I’m trying to get into it

No. 1896835

>>1896677
nah i just find the idea of 'ocs' boring at its core. I dont like drawing characters more than once, i feel it becomes repetitive and boring. That's why i said i dont get oc culture.

No. 1896838

>>1862923
Who is this? That Reki is so cute.

No. 1896841

>>1896817
kekkk that was so funny, it never got better, did it?

No. 1896843

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>>1896838
yurucamp, her old flesh, blood and concrete work was her pinacle in terms of art

No. 1896848

>>1896831
>norman rockwell
>leyendecker
>dean cornwell
>Udo Keppler
>maed schaffer
>Charles Dana Gibson
>Samuel Ehrhart

here is my artvee account: https://artvee.com/members/randon/following/ I dont know if any other nonna uses artvee but i would be super into exchanging accounts. I would love to see nonnies fav artists and collections.

No. 1896881

>>1896835
NTA but yeah, that makes sense. I think it's a difference in taste because the fun for me is in drawing the same character many times in many different scenarios. I don't really use them to self insert though since I can't seem to register myself as anything but a blank in a fictional scenario in my head, so it really is just about making up a funny guy in my mind. I think anon was confused because what people usually mean by disliking ocs is disliking authors who are incessantly bitchy about their donut steels, which I think is fair. I think the whole process requires a touch of 'tism and/or maladaptive daydreaming anyway.

No. 1896884

File: 1708567188934.jpeg (286.79 KB, 2000x1333, IMG_6586.jpeg)

how many of you use screen tablets versus regular tablets? i’m thinking of switching to a screen tablet but imo it’s kinda expensive and i feel like i draw just fine with the regular one i’ve been using for years. anyone who upgraded did you notice a change in your art and productivity?

No. 1896932

>>1896517
I like both, you wouldn't get it.

No. 1896940

>>1896556
TA I just like writing and drawing stories. Unfortunately a lot of discord ocs don't appeal to me either.

No. 1896985

>>1896940
Discord ocs are all the same I swear to god
>traumatised trans queer small bean uwu
>traumatised trans queer small bea but they kill people!!!11!!
>evil, fucked up husbando with a sad backstory
>porn oc

No. 1896991

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>>1896985
one of my favourite artists has some of the ''better'' ocs and i still struggle to care about them. I dont know, they feel too 'personal' in my opinion. Is it possible to genuinely care about others oc? or do people just pretend to like them to get art back and be part of a community.

No. 1897012

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>>1896991
AYRT, I personally do like some ocs (picrel being one, even though the creator is a personal cow) but it's very dependent on the quality of the available writing, if the concepts explored in that are new or uncommon, and if the person making the art is doing more than putting them in a patterned/colour void background (i.e animation, games, comics, full illustrative pieces) and general quality of those. Characters that are just fanfic tropes or overly gendie bore me, no matter the quality of the art and I hate seeing the same four or five things being explored in horror ocs (it's either FNaF inspired, traumacore inspired or slasher inspired these days and it's such a big turn off for me)

No. 1897041

>>1891160
>You can create/enjoy anthro animal art without it being "furry art" despite how much the furries insist otherwise, they are not one in the same.
Stop coping with walls of text and just accept you are a furry already jesus christ.

No. 1897054

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>>1896884
I use a regular table because I don't like certain features in digital art, so I prefer to do it traditionally and then retouch it. With a screen tablet I feel I'm not going to use it fully, but if you do all your work in a tablet, I say buy a screen tablet.

Picrel: when the AI art "draw" better than the artist.

No. 1897062

>>1897054
1. different art styles
2. ai miku has baby hands and also the lighting is awful and her hair is beyond fucked and her headphoes don't make sense

No. 1897065

>>1897054
i think my only issue with ai art is that people upload it to actual art sites, and post it in regular tags without also tagging it as 'ai' so you always run the risk of seeing it

No. 1897076

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>>1896985
In my end it's just angsty BL I do not give a shit about.

>>1896195
The word "self-insert" really ruined so much drive for creativity.

No. 1897077

>>1897065
Same. At least in the description of his profile he admits that is AI art. And like >>1894764 mentioned with DA, Pixiv is also getting tons of AI art, but at least they're tagged as such.

No. 1897090

>>1895899
Well that makes me think she could be so defensive for ai for a reason she won’t admit kek.
>>1896985
There’s was always someone trying to sneak in their porny OC into a SFW artist space. As if there’s not already a million places someone can post their furry bara or bimbo goth girl. Thank god i’m not a fucking furry.

No. 1897103

>>1897062
Disclaimer, AI sucks etc etc. Genuinely, what’s wrong with the lighting? The light source is consistent. Aren’t tiny hands normal for stylized anime?

No. 1897104

>>1897090
The worst porny ocs are the ones coming from like 13 to 15 year olds. It's really disturbing how they will draw their roblox oc with their tits or dick bulge out ahegaoing and no one raises any concern unless they draw actual NSFW in which case they'd get a light slap on the wrist. I fucking hate Discord.

No. 1897153

>>1897103
nta but to me it kind of looks like there's a special spotlight shining up at her titties

No. 1897216

>>1897104
>The worst porny ocs are the ones coming from like 13 to 15 year olds. It's really disturbing how they will draw their roblox oc with their tits or dick bulge out ahegaoing
Holy fuck I came across some shit like that on twitter before and automatically blocked them (I was only looking up roblox avatars/ocs for inspo since I had just downloaded roblox to dress up and play minigames, got bored within 2 days though), I just assumed it was severely coombrained mentally ill adults since there were porn animations too. Those are really teens? What the fuck is wrong with zoomers

No. 1897221

>>1896884
I like that I don't have to look down on a regular tablet and can keep my back straight, I stay hunched over enough as it is

No. 1897243

>>1862923
Holy shit, second retardation fetishist incident??

No. 1897330

>>1896884
I’m having the reverse problem where I want to get better with using a screenless tablet versus using a small iPad pro. I was told to just use the tablet more and I’ll get used to it.

No. 1897369

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