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This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.
Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping> Ao3 Censorship and TOS> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters> Debates over death of the author> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creatorsRelated threads:
Fujo vs. anti-fujo discourse:
>>1978406Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358Previous:
>>2178436 No. 2197976
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>>2196690the only people upset about this are troons and porn addicts who think they have the right to create child porn and call it subversive art. picrel is a group of degenerates defending an animated film that is literally just about a child being repeatedly tortured and raped
No. 2198014
>>2197976Yep, I really do not care about coomers' self-assigned right to attentionwhore with their boring badly-drawn smut, but I don't get why they're gunning for fanfic writers specifically. It's usually the
artists who are cancerous for fandoms, fics don't tend to reach infamy level nowadays.
No. 2198205
>>2198185Careful not to cut yourself with that edge,
nonny.
No. 2198278
Has anyone come across the parkour civilization. It's based on a Minecraft series about a world revolving around parkour. Somehow the fanbase turned into fujo brainrot. Its like hetalia and dream smp had an ugly child
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>>2198278Picrel is an example of the fanbase kek
No. 2198299
>>2198278Oh, now I understand a meme somebody made about something I follow that I saw online.
I'm way too fucking old for this.
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Even when TIFs do edgy alt-right LARP you can still tell they're women. What man is drawing anime style self-insert nazi art? Jesus christ.
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>>2198278>>2198280This is so fucking hilarious.
>>2198325The fujos ARE the minecraft SMP zoomers.
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Funny how most of these pairing are from their childhoods before these people would have figured out that they're "gay"
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>>2198329>>2198330Archetypal TIF that has spent her whole life on 4chan LARPing as an incel
No male draws like this and has this sense of humor
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>>2198339The funniest thing about this to me is that the only real gay guy I knew who liked The Dragon Prince (middle right) only liked it because of the gay moon elf character,
who actually got locked and sealed inside the evil usurping lord's magic amulet within the same episode he was introduced iirc.
In fact that show contained both m/m and f/f couples into one episode and killed off the f/f couple in a battle against a golem who they fought to save the king's wife, and the m/m couple were separated and one was captured and is implied to be frozen in time in the amulet and was never seen again. The show is entertaining but it's so blatant they did the whole "bury your gays" thing within about 30 minutes, as if the writers were saying "stick them in to appease the retards on social media who will hashtag cancel us if we don't." Like none of that was necessary at all kek.
Oh there's a deafmute female character who communicates in sign language (no subtitles or explanation of what she's saying) who gets captured by a female sun elf near the end of the series and they have a "thing" but they don't go anywhere.
From what I remember the evil lord and his evil elf ear worm have more going for them than any of the established or implied same sex pairings but the lord character is so fugly.So many american shows are somehow still living like they're bound by the hays code even when they have full permission to include same sex couples. It makes me cringe every time I see the pattern repeat itself because it produces such pointless characters with no relevance to the plot. I.e. These characters are not seducing anyone to the Good Side or the Dark Side; their lovers aren't orchestrating a revenge plot against the Big Bad; they're not making a babygay character feel less alone in the big wide world; they're not causing conflict with their love and creating world peace with their love like some happily ever after version of Romeo and Juliet. These characters are like if the writers turned to me and said that a briefcase in an office was gay. Like okay what does it do? Nothing, it just exists. So the straight characters get their romance which changes worlds, which shows the writers are adept at writing SFW romance, but then are unable to manage that for a same sex romance. And then kids on Tumblr are like "REAL gays loved [hetship here]" Like kek that also makes me cringe, it's like serving gruel and chicken and being shocked at how many people are choosing chicken.
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>>2198339and on the opposite end, which is something like picrel, a radically retarded misinterpretation of a 19th century book written by a woman who yearned for a man all her life and was deeply religious and wokies will read that story with the main characters being "queer" and secretly people of color because they suffer from too much fandom brain-rot
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>>2198418I'm all for canonical SSA characters/romances in fiction, and shipping stuff is fine too of course, but man, I hate people claiming something is 'queer-coded' just because they
personally saw romantic/sexual appeal in it. I get that the core concept of queer-coding has some merit, but the term is rarely used to talk about a piece of fiction getting a relationship past censorship, views of the time, what that all means and how things have changed (especially not with any evidence from the author themself), and is instead an academic way of saying that your shipping goggles are 100% true and accurate, that it's all definitely canon and you're being betrayed by the creator when it doesn't pan out because they clearly sought to bait you with these expectations of queerness, and not, y'know, write a story that wasn't the wish-fulfilment in your head you made up on your own. I'm so tired of this shit.
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>>2198418also, from the same comment section, they are basically assuming that since a character hunted with a bow, they can only ever be indigenous, like I'm not american but the girl action heroes having bows is a very common trope, see Brave or Susan in Narnia
No. 2199636
>>2198910This is such a reductive way of not just looking at fiction, but reality too. Apparently skills that were the foundation of human life across the globe for much of history cannot be taught or learned by anyone, but only specific cultural groups– as if that's not a shitty stereotype in its own right.
And yeah, giving female protagonists bows is pretty common in fiction, as it allows them to be cool fighters and not damsels, but also keeps them away from the action, safer and more disconnected from the violence of it all (this is also why, aside from the skill/coolness factor, their kills are usually tidy precision shots that kill instantly over the more uncomfortably slow death from bloodloss and pierced organs that arrow wounds can cause), as well as the perception that archery doesn't require much strength (similar to people assuming rapiers are a dainty sword, which are also often given to female protags). This is also why the female mage is such a staple too, can't have the ladies in the thick of it getting their hands bloodied kek
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>>2199660I mean it's still possible for women to use traditional or modified bows, but they need to have developed, fit bodies, which none of these 90-pound teenage waifs ever have.
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>>2199650it's because they've never touched one– same reason why people act like all swords ever weighed idk 20kg or something, they've never picked one up but they understand some effort is involved and run from there. It's a common problem across genres like fantasy and historical fiction, where people don't know how to handle things that they're disconnected from due to modern life, eg horses are not motorbikes/cars (not saying accurate horse logistics are a must, just remember that they're a living animal that needs sleep/food/water as much as the heroes they're carting around do kek)
>>2199669Yeah, female archers are totally viable, it's the idea that they wouldn't need to be as trained as healthy as a male melee fighter that's silly (I used to do archery, if you're serious about it you train your body like any other sport), but fiction often treats it as something a starving, underdog waif can easily fall into, rather than an occupation people spent their lives doing (those starving waifs should be trapping their quarry instead, or fishing, anything with a lower energy cost really).
>>2199660 if they want a fantasy equivalent of a gun, they should use a sling kek, the true minimal effort and resource-requiring historical ranged weapon.
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>>2198910suzanne collins said, the seam people are not meant so be a specific ethnic background, just an example of racial mixing that happend in the centuries since 'our' civilisation fell.
Similar to like how there no people like cleopatra exist anymore bc of all the racial mixing and miggration happening in the last 2000 years.
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>>2199926"
Toxic yuri" in twitter context means a BPD-chan pestering and obsessing and acting rapey over their kawaii self insert. It's always trannies frothing at the mouth at it too.
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>>2195782Woah ugly bitch in contrast of ugly bastard is done great in this manga, with the old woman raping him.
(Title:Boku wa Papa Nanka ja nai/I’m not the father)
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>>2199926Always figured people see other peoppe complaining about
toxic yaoi as a cool and edgy badge of honor and want something similar with yuri.
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Why do post ironic 4chin larper lolifaggots act like they’re above troons? Their overlap is a circle.
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>>2200259> Skin colour of the producerThere is literally
one show that fits the description in the meme (High Guardian Spice) and the staff was almost entirely white.
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fucking KEK i saw the artwork a bit after it was posted yesterday and immediately knew I had to come back today and check the qts never change pjotwt
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Why is it that anytime women finally have their own thing moids just had to come in and whine about homophobia over a chinese company securing their bottomline. I see this topic every time LADs gets brought up and ngl, I think i'm close to just never engaging with communities again. You see this on twitter too with TIFs seething they can't insert as a so totes valid zipperboi.
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>>2200601but annabeth isnt the daughter of zeus
>>2200603annabeth isn't a black demigod in the book though
No. 2200611
>>2200608Yes, that is the point, not the fact that a daughter of athena
can’t be black but whatever this is a retarded derailment
No. 2200612
>>2200609athena is the one whos capable of shapeshifting, not annabeth
>>2200611well yeah theoretically the daughter of athena could be black if she had a shaft baby daddy but annabeth is white in the book and the movie probably because her mother is greek and her dad is white
No. 2200620
>>2199926It's a fucking meme honestly, I think it's fans trying to be edgy at some capacity or they want a relationship that's somewhat tragic? idk
Their examples of "
toxic yuri" are laughable. Any
toxic relationship is one where you'll be getting death threats over and you generally fear for the writer's as they face the wrath of moral obsessed tiktokers and xitters
No. 2200623
>>2200597In PJO/Rickverse it doesn't matter.
It's just the same old "changing races" of an established character and now you can't pretend like the original version was white without being called racist
No. 2200960
>>2200735With adaptations executives don't care about the original story and directors/writers want to tell their own story through the adaptation.
Fans get angry and mad
but apparently it's the fans fault
Executives are using that as an excuse to basically do anything BUT letting these mediocre directors/writers having their own IP
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Is this true or just insane levels of cope? I do think that women in boring business suits are extremely attractive but completely covered-up men do nothing for me. The QRTs are equally retarded, with kweer women reeing that the post indirectly suggests that 2d women who show skin are inherently male-gazey.
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>>2201181exactly. while
>>2200561 is completely insane, thinking it "doesn't make sense" for a mythological figure, or a fictional character (especially in the fantasy genre) to be depicted as nonwhite is severely retarded.
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>>2201199don't like genshin designs at all, but I know a decent chunk of female players enjoy the game's… elaborate fashion, to put it nicely. In general though, I think a lot of women just like clothed men because that's an element of design women tend to gravitate towards, so it adds to their enjoyment of the character. Non-revealing designs are also way easier to show off to others as being your favourite without feeling embarrassed at displaying your blatant sexual interests (remember, a lot of genshin fans are young or new to stuff like anime/gaming), which is something you eventually get over (either in a casual sense or you go full uncaring degen kek). Also this is about a gacha game, something that's entire goal is to get players hooked enough to regularly dump money into it, it's inevitable that said players will try to justify their investment and praise any noteworthy crumbs of appeal, the game is designed to foster that.
Personally don't really like intentionally slutty male designs anyway though, as they often rely on the visual language established by horny female character clothing and feel kinda desperate imo, but am also not a suitfag kek.
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this might be a subjective question, but what is wrong with bakudeku shippers? It goes beyond just slight au's, they put the "idea" of bakugo and deku two in so many different situations and scenarios and then at times it's not even an au, it'll just be a regular couple with their faces traced on
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>>2201337>maybe my taste in men is a bit gay moid-yThat makes two of us anon. It's hard to accept but I get why many women would find sluttily dressed 2D men quite off-putting. Personally, it's an instant neuron activator for me.
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>>2201431I think it's because they're sort of content-starved and have been for a long time– just a guess, but any time I've run into a hardcore bakudeku shipper in the last couple of years, they don't seem to be keeping up to date with the manga/mention plot details etc other than maybe squeeing over a panel containing the characters or whatever, so the fandom
is the ship for them, and they have to resort to AUs to keep refreshing the ship, and those AUs get more flimsy and niche the longer this goes on. As for your picrel… Pocahontas seems like a bold choice to make a shitty meme redraw of a ship for kek
I hate to bring them up again, but klance shippers were on a similar trajectory before the fandom collapsed like a dying star and Voltron got classed as a slur lmao
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>>2201482"I got transported to another world as a pomeranian dog and now I will lick my husbando face like an absolute pervert with him none the wiser"
I have seen this premise more than a handful of times.
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>>2199926>What do zoomies mean by wanting toxic yuri?For me personally, it means Madohomu and Satorika.
I like yuri more when there's defined tachi and neko dynamics like seme and uke in BL.
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>>2201606Know of any other ships with that type of vibe?
>>2201611With both ships mentioned they're both femme leaning characters, one is just very obviously the 'dominant' one
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>>2201616Reposting picrel as a
toxic yuri suggestion because I replied to the wrong post.
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>>2201639Classic
toxic yuri pose
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>>2201199I don't get how any of this is the female gaze, it's just a character being attractive and good looking. There doesn't have to be any female equivalent of a concept like the male gaze.
Personally, I can get the appeal of a sharp dressed man covered head to toe but only if his character is extremely handsome and charming to begin with. It also makes seeing a peek of his bare skin more exciting. But it's something that you don't see unless you're attracted to said character to begin with, it's too subjective.
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>>2201750nta but black jack is amazing, super underrated show.
also he is a hottiei feel like the Tezuka series never really got super steeped into bad fandom stuff like gendies but i could also be pretty wrong as i curate alot of my stuff.
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>>2201587The funniest thing is that she actually
posted pictures of her face during the time she was faking. I can't find her selfies now, but it was OBVIOUSLY a white woman behind the greyscale filter kekkk
No. 2201982
>>2201810>i feel like the Tezuka series never really got super steeped into bad fandom stuff like gendies but i could also be pretty wrong as i curate alot of my stuff.Nah, the english Tezuka fandom is now full of edgy gendies who think Black Jack's ex girlfriend Kei Kisaragi, who is some sort of proto-trans character, is amazing trans respresentation despite the fact he (Black Jack) acts identical to a hurt trans widow who misses his love deeply while she's shown as a sad and mentally ill character.
I'd go grab screencaps of the english release of the chapter that goes into detail about her and her blatantly shown internalized misogyny but archive is temporarily down.
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>>2201750Why don’t they make cute male characters like him anymore? It’s almost either dorito-chin gashashit or ugly shonen roidpigs nowadays.
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>>2201982I’m not surprised, the same happened with Dororo.
>>2202010Nta but I thought the redesign looked too twinky if that makes sense. I felt like they were definitely aiming for a certain audience with the redesign.
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>>2202010It's not the best. I wish they kept with the original style more, Tezuka's heavy line art and reliance on shape language would be pretty cool to see animated with modern technology.
>>2201982Yea I remember reading Kei/Megumi's chapters in the manga when I was a kid and remembering it now, I understood the story line as more of an cancer/endometriosis diagnosis and the grief over it and the procedures caused her to cope by switching her gender, not so much Kei wanting to transition.
Its been a while and I've never read an official translation, thank you for grabbing the screenshots!
I'm glad my filters are working haha.
>>2202002They used to look relatively human back then, characters had facial definition and nearly every character had a distinct look/silhouette.
>>2202017WTF is up with the neck?!?!
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>>2201750Blackjack is so
goated. I’m so angry moids don’t look like this IRL. I wish it was legal to shoot ugly men.
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>>2202110He is perfect, there is no other word to describe him. He's still hot af with clothes but that's because he is an ideal angel of a man, not because of pseudo academic ideas like female gaze.
I go crazy everytime he's in underwear or shirtless, also.
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Muwahahaha
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>>2202139It's just lingerie for women I don't know what to tell you.
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noticed a pattern between rancefag and her husbandos(derailing)
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>>2202219Yes.
>>2202230Horror games tend to attract the most sensitive people possible, no I don't get it either.
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>>2202137>look this person's profile up>stupid tifLike clockwork.
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>>2202288>Horror games tend to attract the most sensitive people possibleThis always fucks up my mind so bad because it's real and it happens all the time. The most "
problematic" horror/thriller game gets released and it's immediately gathered a fandom of 14-year old gendies with self-insert OCs and a weirdly parasocial relationship with the most "
problematic" character in the game. Is it because all the internet funnyman streamers they follow make videos of themselves playing the game and making le funny jokes about it?
No. 2202876
>>2201516conversion… like, into ponies? A religion? Both? kek
>>2201547I've come across these while digging through old fandoms, do people still write them?
>>2201518I knew this would be posted, but I've seen fics with litters/babies referred to as 'pups' more than I've ever cared to, either because of omegaverse shit, stuff like this
>>2201555, or 'hybrid AUs' like
>>2202156 and your picrel. Truly a special strain of autism and degeneracy lol
>>2201556kek wild, isn't this the premise for some waifu manga as well?
>>2201587The Hamilton AIDs high school AU and cannibal mermaid AU drama was great, a true classic (the fics were also ridiculous, but the authors tend to get most of the focus when it's brought up– which is fair, since it was so retarded)
>>2202199please tell us more anon– sounds like something that would be either immediately poorly received or bizarrely coast along uncriticised for a while before getting cancelled (similar to the aforementioned Hamilton fics)
Thank you anons for sharing! My personal favourite weird AU has to be merformers– I have to admire the leap of going 'you know what this transforming robot character needs for me to
really enjoy it? to also be half fish. and still a robot'. Fascinating.
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>>2202635>>2202659I get wanting your fictional husbando covered rather than dressing sexy. Its the
>he a slut for me, none for theeaspect of him being sexy only for (you) and no one else
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Whitewashing discourse blew up on Japanese Twitter. I think they finally snapped because a popular mangaka got caught up in it.
For context, Bkub Okawa (creator of Pop Team Epic) drew Marina with lightened skin. A bunch of English accounts start quoting and he apologized for it. Cue in other JP users saying he shouldn't have apologized, a lot of them are complaining about the concept of whitewashing, double standards with black edits, etc. A bunch of users are even going after one specific person who quoted Bkub and are @'ing her.
Picrel has 100k likes, most I've ever seen with drama relating to this.
No. 2203400
>>2203379I see more and more Asian fandoms getting pissed at westerners for shit like this, reposting/editing their work by the day, and leaking spoilers, especially when their culture ends up getting insulted pretty badly.
Wonder if there'll ever be a big full on flip out about it.
No. 2203412
>>2203379I hate this garbage centralized internet so goddamned much. In the good timeline, all the obnoxious tumblr toddlers would be screeching at each other over a character being 0.03% lighter on tumblr without leaving that place and japanese artists would be posting their stuff on pixiv. But now that twatter became this melting pot of shit where everyone feels forced to gather, you see groups of people that should've never interacted.
I'm just tired of the fact that online discussion of japanese media keeps being hijacked by retards that were gushing over Steven Universe and Homestuck ten years ago and only began watching anime when MHA became big.
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>>2203379Yeah, the author also tweeted an 'apology' some hours later. And having a large audience, mainly Japanese, that doesn't consider it something really offensive or malicious in the first place is probably why there's been such a huge reaction defending it, rather than the just usual types on both sides. That tweet has even more views than the actual fanart. (Iida is her Japanese name, and the 'he' is just a bad google translation).
No. 2203443
>>2202137"
toxic ships" are only
toxic if you get people crying like this.
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please don't be a tranny please don't be a tranny please don't be a fucking tranny i'm so nervous. i'll drop this game if they canonize that shit i swear to god
No. 2203625
>>2203618If he's seriously thinking of banning loli, then he's a fucking idiot.
Not a moralfag thing, there's a reason why even places that can have laws never really enforce them, the absolute amount of paperwork and retardation involved would make Japan a Kafka level of hell.
No. 2203675
>>2203534I am hoping niigo Kaito tells him to man up and find his balls and for Ena to be a raging transphobe kek
Sadly I can't drop the game since I like tapping to weeb music
No. 2203834
>>2203813I dont think its a derail considering a huge factor to moralfag discourse being prevalent in the present is normies getting insight on fandom spaces. back when fandoms were more contained there was of course still discourse around, but it was mostly ship wars and powerscaling, nowadays fandom is just a dick measuring contest of how PC and morally correct someone can enjoy it; its not even about the plot or characters anymore.
at least in the echo chamber the discourse is made by people who are actually into the media, now all we have are tourists chiming in their piece because its the trendy thing to do
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>>2203927I don't give a shit about blackwashing but the colors aren't lightened to the same degree as the skin compared to the original besides the shirt. He probably just lightened the skin and kept everything else relatively the same because lighter skin is considered prettier by Asian standards. And really who cares because fanart isn't taking away representation, it's just fanart.
No. 2203973
>>2203963Again the problem is we are talking about art, not irl humans. A generic anime girl with 6 heads(proportion) has the same proportions to an irl child.
>>2203966Most anime sexualize their characters though, even shinji is almost naked in the can scene.
>>2203970>trained law officialskeeek this is so sad imagine putting officials to determine wheter shinji is a shota or not when they could be solving real crimes
No. 2203998
>>2203955The Australian law doesn't work like that at all. Literally saw Beserk in a store the other day and Australia is really fucking nitpicky when it comes to censoring or removing material (Postal 2 and the American Psycho book for example)
t. Australian
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It's kind of funny because OP wasn't talking about being represented via identity politics but I think how tumblr influenced everyone, even people not on the platform, to priorities representation (without bothering to watch movies outside of Hollywood) has had almost an irreparable damage to how people talk about media in general.
Idk when it all got so bad but people pretend like "the protagonist is poc/queer" is all that's needed. I don't think this mentality is ever melting away and I just hate how much of a chokehold it has on discussions.
It used to be that when I would go to non-anglo spaces I could reliably see people calling the whole thing bullshit but now that the Westernized babies grew up consuming the same posts screenshots that get shared around, they're incapable of forming original thoughts without sounding like an American. Like baby just turn on the TV, open a book in your language.
It's just so frustrating to see how this mentality has become so pervasive and you can never talk about how insane it is without getting accused of being a 4channer
For all it's worth regarding OP's true intentions, it's only teenagers who are having an identity crisis that care about being "represented" like that. I think once you grow up or you become secure you don't care about seeing someone who's just like you. It feels nice when you're young because you think you're so alone but no thee protagonist of a show is #literllyme and that feels nice. But when you're in your 20s or 30s it's embarrassing. You should be growing out of it anyway as a teenager
No. 2204048
>>2204047Meanwhile their moids still visit SEA to have sex with underage child sex trafficking
victims.
No. 2204076
>>2204036Why can't we care about two things at once? If we have to wait until we eradicate real pedophilia before we tackle the issue of lolisho then we'll be waiting forever. We're unfortunately never going to get rid of 100% of pedos, all we can do is minimize the amount of children who become their
victims as much as humanly possible.
I get the feeling that people who use the "fix real CP first!!!" argument know all this, though. They know it's impossible to eradicate all CP forever. They're just trying to deflect because they don't want anyone to take their precious lolisho away. It's just another "devil's advocate" argument. It's so transparent.
No. 2204103
>>2204088It's not even enforced though, you can hop in an australian VPN and visit loli sites quite easily. Some of you think men are redeemable as long as we take porn away from them, but that's simply not true.
>>2204095They started avoiding men because despite of all the laws that are supposed to protect women men are still insane degenerates and terrorize them anyways. Banning loli and pornography didn't stop men from ruining women's lifes. It's not a win for women in the slightest because South Korean women can't even shit without the threat of being filmed and being uploaded onto spy cam sites.
No. 2204112
>>2204108i dont understand where youre going with this ofcourse goverment moids arent never going to accept its moids doing most of these crimes but banning that shit classifies it a crime is a net benefit for the
victims and women because it means you can take it to court, are you saying that shit shouldnt be banned because all moids are pedophiles anyways so it wouldnt matter? or are you so defensive over the shit you consume being banned?
No. 2204113
>>2204109I dont understand why you think i am pro loli/porn or cp, i am not. I am just saying that no, banning loli and pornography isn't going to stop men from seeking those things nor its going to stop male violence. If you think people are going to jail for having loli in their HDD you are delusional, police can hardly jail rapists and you think they are going to go after lolifags?
>I'm still gonna count women going the separatist route as a winI don't think you understand what i am trying to say… i never said its a bad thing, i am just saying that male violence is so bad in korea they had no other choice. Its not a good thing to be so afraid of men you have to carry a spy cam detector to check for hidden cameras. Those women arent le based misandrists they are genuinely terrified and had to turn to separatism out of self preservation.
>>2204112No, i am just saying that you live in a fantasy world if you think any lolifag is going to court for jacking it off to a genshit loli or some shit. You can ban it but it won't change anything.
No. 2204119
>>2204087There were pedophiles in medieval Britain, its like moids can be inherently fucked in the head or something.
If you can't acknowledge that banning lolicon, that many moids themselves have admitted is a gateway to watching actual CSAM isn't a good thing, I don't know what to tell you. Obviously the crime is not going to go away but limiting exposure to that material is surely a net positive? Especially when pedophiles use lolicon art to groom children online, speaking from experience.
No. 2204128
>>2204125>men dont care and the goverment doesn't care about enforcing said laws either.The government doesn't
currently care. Depending on where you live, you can elect government officials who do care, or at least only vote for ones who claim to be hard on pornography. This might be something moids get away with during our lifetime, but we have a more-than-zero chance of making it better for our daughters and granddaughters if we come down hard on all aspects of male degeneracy now.
No. 2204133
>>2204128You are so idealistic
nonny it's cute. The only way to make it better for your grandaughters is to not have them, because men are rotten to the core, all of them.
No. 2204143
I live in a country that has these laws (the UK) and they are much broader than just loli. The law also specifies that it applies to drawings of adults that look under 18 too. It's just that it's only getting looked at if it's on the hard drive of someone who has already been arrested and is having their devices examined. Any image is up in the air unless it has been examined like that.
Exactly what counts as illegal is extremely vague but it isn't just loli/shota. I saw someone who grades CSEM in the UK as their job tell someone that they shouldn't look up Life is Strange (a series where the characters are over 18 as far as I know) videos on pornhub (which is a canadian company, so theoretically it shouldn't have any content that violates UK law) because those characters would definitely be counted.
Obviously it's a huge waste of time to actively go looking for people with that kind of borderline content, website TOS are more forgiving than the laws can be and are only going to report people posting obvious loli/shota, but there's been a number of cases where people have been arrested for something unfounded and then spent years afterwards in legal trouble because they had something illegal on one of their devices that they might not have willingly downloaded or even looked at. The law is against posession of simulated child pornography for whatever reason, not being a lolicon.
It's unlikely you'll be caught, but you can be and it could be for something that many people would never have assumed to be illegal. Like if you have a copy of the original Fate/Stay Night with H scenes, that's potentially illegal. You could possibly argue that it isn't porn, because the scenes are a small part of a longer story, but it's unclear whether that defence would hold. Obviously you could tell someone to just never download something like that in the first place, but I think the average person downloading it would be unlikely to assume it would count, like the anons up the thread claiming kawoshin doujins wouldn't.
There are definitely downsides. It makes harmless fujos potential criminals and doesn't actually stop lolicons accessing their content, it's literally a google search away because none of these sites are even blocked.
No. 2204145
>>2204009> women in their 30s and they all act like they're still 18 on tumblrIn what ways?
I think OP was referring to people who want to see characters exactly like them in order to "relate" to them
Honestly I think in general because of tumblr's influence people's emotional intelligence for stunted.
It's a bit funny because NOW tumblr users are blaming literally anyone but their own platform
The "tiktok ruined fandoms" posts that have become popular are hilarious because they're basically saying what redditors and 4channers have been complaining about since mid 2010s but now we have to pretend that people's behaviour on tiktok and twitter isn't influenced at all by tumblr
No. 2204172
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video game discourse just seething whenever a female character doesn't look like a porn animation
>>2204036holy whataboutism
>>2204087the point is people get criminalized for it, its like saying we should criminalize revenge porn or deepfakes because people will do it anyway
No. 2204174
>>2204172Wasn't Angela a rape
victim?…the fuck is wrong with these subhuman moids
No. 2204180
>>2204172This is either rage bait or a joke
No one actually thinks this
if they're serious, they're not worth anyone's time.
No. 2204181
>>2204172Thats so fucking disgusting, especially considering Angela is literally supposed to be a heavily traumatized rape
victim with a hatred for and fear of men.
And of course they make her a giant titty e-girl with the face of a made-up 12 year old on the left. Fucking coomer pedos. Total moid death.
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If Sarah J. Maas wrote the same books but with wlw characters, the people obsessed with hating her would be making essays defending her. Even if her books are mediocre
(I never read her books but so many complaints just boil down to romance apparently)
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>>2204180>>2204172nah, moids unironically want this and are doing everything in their power to mod games so they can play as prepubescent looking girls with huge breasts. hold on tight because the pedo/cumbrain epidemic is only going to get worse and even less regulated.
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>>2204180they do this with every game that has a female lead. And it's a problem when they start mass stalking women working in the video game industry now
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>>2204172Why do male gamers keep whining, no matter how much they’re pandered to? I have seen scrotes on Twitter and /v/ complaining about Lollipop Chainsaw repop - a game that’s practically softcore porn - because the MC’s boobs don’t jiggle as much as they did in the original. And then there are women, like the one in picrel, who keep pushing for male characters to stay covered in 10 layers of burka. When did things go so wrong?
>>2204225The photo on the right is from 2018. Someone pointed it out but the retards are still upset because they don't want any women working on their precious video games. This is pure insanity to me.
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No. 2204368
>>2204362It's always funny when you can tell the
exact point someone realises they're wrong and starts doubling down out of shame kek.
That being said it doesn't excuse the actual edgelords who do stunts like this for bad reasons No. 2204373
>>2204172Scrotes always reveal how retarded and shallow their brains are when they start a huge uproar over a female game character not being coomable enough. I have never cared about the coomability of the characters in a game. What the fuck is wrong with the Y Chromosome?
Im glad game creators are moving away from making female characters a retarded pair of tits and making them actual characters.
No. 2204405
>>2204006Self inserters are a mistake.
I regret ever thinking recommending something I like would be a good idea, it just leads to people feeding their own ego on the meat of your hobby.
No. 2204414
>>2204185Her books are shit on a prose level too, and have a lot of issues when it comes to consistent worldbuilding and the portrayal of characters across books within a series. They're needlessly long (none of her stories require 500+ pages for what they have to achieve), monotonous, and filled with repetitive phrases and scenes. Her series also have a habit of getting noticeably worse with each instalment. The main complaints tend to be about the romantic relationships because they're romance novels and that's the core selling point to her audiences, and other points tend to be glossed over because those kinds of issues aren't as important to that audience as the romance and sex is. That, or the reviewer listened to them at 2x speed on audiobook, which will never give a clear picture of a book's prose kek.
Unfortunately, I doubt she would have had the same success if the same stories were wlw, since her audience has very stereotypical heterosexual tastes hidden under a gloss coat of girlboss/girlpower posturing. The people who dislike her and her impact on the publishing scene/fantasy fiction wouldn't be around to notice an unpopular wlw romantasy series. I do get your point though that many online critics will act as if making a story gay etc automatically elevates it, as if it still wouldn't just be two women acting out a terrible romance in a vague world with a paper-thin plot.
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>>2204382>JP fans still think he's a crossdresserkr and cn fans do too, i've actually seen quite a few of them celebrating. it sucks that the western fandom is so pozzed tho, i'm still hoping he'll outright say he's a dude.
the melty will be amazing>>2204490pjsk as a whole is basically an angsty wattpad telenova in gacha form so i get why they'd stretch it out. i view his story as wanting to be seen as himself and not just "a guy in a skirt". basically what
>>2204463 said, it's dangan chihiro v2
No. 2204584
>>2204381They can do that, why would you think that isn't the case?
Recently I gained a kind of obsession with this topic. This is because I realised I could be at risk under these sorts of laws (not for shota/loli, for the kind of highschool aged stuff most people, including me previously, don't think counts). If you live in a country where these laws exist and have ever even seen that kind of content you have likely committed a criminal offence. Seeing it means you've downloaded it, and it can hang around in your cache for a while. If for whatever reason you end up having your devices searched and they find something like that, you're in for a court battle at the very least. The advice I've seen from people who are knowledgable about this stuff is that you should just blanket not visit anywhere that might have NSFW artwork if you live in a region with this kind of law.
>>2204388I have gone searching through forums, news articles, etc. relating to people who have been caught over this, comments from people in digital forensics who classify it, etc.
Google will alert the police about 'virtual' CP uploaded if it's in the right region. People have been caught like this.
They do nothing about pixiv and boorus because those are hosted in countries that don't have these laws so there's no reason to do anything about it. Obviously 'the feds' don't care about lolicon, they are american and it isn't illegal there. If there's reason to believe it has been uploaded from somewhere it's illegal they'll do something about it.
No. 2204608
>>2204006Why is the tweet full of people weirdly angry about people who have this opinion?
>i'm so sorry you settled for this>you deserve better>you don't know how good it feels to be representedThe chronic self inserter can't even imagine someone interacting with a story without needing to relate to it without wanting to jump to accusing them of self hatred or 'already having been represented'. what the fuck?
No. 2204630
>>2204006Most are narcs. They may deny it but it's true. And the funniest thing is the sheer number of takes divesting from this perpetual need to feel "seen" and "heard" these sorts love to wax on about tend to have little regard for "empathy" or as a means of exposure. If some bloke wants to know if gay people exist, he look that shit up online. No need for a novel about two men buttfucking each other every other page.
I won't deny representation feels nice, but it feels more a nice added treat instead of the main course? Maybe that's why chroncally online zoomers can't fathom women liking yaoi. It doesn't star women, let alone any of note, but has widespread appeal and obviously loved by every facet of women. But since there's no woman for them to latch on to, these self-inserters consider it transphobia, mysognitic, or sexist for nary using women to be objectified or reduced to stereotypes.
No. 2204645
>>2204584>why would you think that isn't the case?Meant in this case
>you're in for a court battle at the very leastThe clusterfuck amount of court battling would be absolutely ridiculous, was what I meant. It's not a "this is a kid, boom, done" this would thousands of cases that would take years, over a crime that can at its essentials be done completely solo with a piece of charcoal and a scrap of paper.
No. 2204669
>>2204006>to priorities representation (without bothering to watch movies outside of Hollywood)Being represented in mainstream burger slop in this day and age is a punishment, why would you want to see yourself in trash
>>2204638>y/ncelsUh?
No. 2204672
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>novels about women in college experience in alienation, loss of childhood innocence and spiraling
>looks inside
>"first love and romance"
Tired of this "sad girl" trend in literature that's perpetuated by both booktok and booktwitter. Nonstop glazing of these books as "transgressive and soul crushing" from self-proclaimed "weird girls" whose most traumatic event in their life is their Nigel admitting that he watches porn. Representation and reliability in books is just a front for the author's masturbatory navel-gazing sludge that meets the publishers threshold of safe and marketability.
No. 2204749
>>2204414You're right I forgot
Just replace wlw with mlm. I trust in my fujoshi sisters to write the most annoying essays.
>I do get your point though that many online critics will act as if making a story gay etc automatically elevates it, as if it still wouldn't just be two women acting out a terrible romance in a vague world with a paper-thin plot.Thank you for getting it even if I forgot that wlw stories don't have a big market
No. 2204753
>>2204672I haven't read any of these books and idk any of them but aren't you being a bit mean?
If you're an insecure, lonely girl who's a bit weird for whatever reason (autism, terminally online, up brining, helicopter parents, inability to connect with other girls, teenage bullying etc) then aren't these books very reassuring? You don't feel alone you become to relieved in finding out there are Others Like You and You Are Not Alone and Someone Gets Me!!
No. 2204761
>>2204608>Why is the tweet full of people weirdly angry about people who have this opinion?Because it's twitter. People have very strong opinions about boring and mundane things.
I honestly thing most twitter users are autistic. Even the ones trying so hard to be cool or whatever,
They're as autistic and people on 4chan
No. 2204964
>>2204763>>2204825>>2204904i'm so glad someone said it because it makes me feel insane how women-hating this site is, i've seen women criticized for literally every single thing possible on here. things i didn't even know women were criticized for before i came here. it's the most intense form of nitpicking i have ever seen. it's insane. i do not understand it because you'll always see so many people preaching feminism yet i'm getting a completely different picture, feels like i'm being gaslit
>>2204672genuine question, are any of those books good? obviously the only one i recognize is the bell jar even though it's kind of hidden in the pic and i've never read it, just i assumed it was good.
No. 2204998
>>2204964This website has always been a bit weird.
I think a lot of nonnies come here to express opinions they can’t express elsewhere, much of that includes hating on women even if they’re not entirely wrong or get vindicated (depends on what the hate is about)
But it’s very much driven by nonnies spending too much time in niche spaces and forgetting that it’s just niche.
No. 2205003
>>2204998Same anon
I had a vague example but i’ll be specific why not
The hate i’ve seen against Xiran for example. You could never ever say half the shit people say about her on most platforms, I don’t see this level of concentrated antagonism towards another writer on this website other than that woman that wrote Yellow Face. also Chappell in general , this was the first website where i saw people hating on her months before controversy picked up.
You don’t necessarily get told “you hate this woman because you’re sexist!” Nonnies get to ramble on whatever res flags they’re seeing
But i agree with you, LC has always had a weird userbase, very contradictory but that’s what makes it fun. Can be tedious and annoying obviously
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Laios isn't fat. Laios is more attractive than a malnourished twink. You have to be brainrotted by a decade of hentai to think this is fat.(offtopic bait)
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>>2204560getting ready for the incoming wave of media illiterate fags that think james did nothing wrong
No. 2205139
>>2205129I already see this happening, men saying Mary was
abusive and zoomers lusting for James saying he loved her, and that somehow absolves his actions.
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People's reaction to Wuthering Heights and The Picture of Dorian Gray has been hysterical. These people usually laugh at fans for getting angry at the source material for changing characters or even narrative themes of the source material but when it happens to them all of a sudden it's "these people don't even understand the book"
Honestly it was like a treat for me. I don't know anything about either source materials.
No. 2205175
>>2205140I don't disagree about Xiran but I do about Kuang (I don't think she has lolcow tendencies)
But I meant more so that the userbase here is more likely to get fixated on hating women than men. Are you telling me there aren't lolcow worthy male authors to obsess over? Even dead ones but maybe that's just not as fun.
Narcissism of small difference and all that
No. 2205194
>>2205175Dead ones I'd understand. They aren't alive so the amount of milking they can provide is a good as dust. But considering kiwifarms does that and mostly with male lolcows means the farms have nothing else going for it. It be nice given the sheer amount of male degeneracy but most nonnas would rather talk about petty girl drama than literal pedophiles running amok.
>>2205172They're finally getting it.
No. 2205207
>>2204964Every woman (that this site doesn't like) even if they're quite frankly stunning gets called ugly here because of reasons that would make incels blush.
If it wasn't for /cgl/ before this site was created in it's honor after the vendetta ban, I would have likely still not known that nasolabial folds are the worst thing you can have.
No. 2205313
>>2205172Removing the gay from Dorian Grey is interesting because you can argue it's an adaptation of the hays-code film. Someone who only ever saw the old film would be confused about this new one "Removing the queerness" because the version they knew didn't have it.
Reminds me of this one person I know not knowing Anne Rice's gay vampire books adaptation 1994 Interview With A Vampire was about gay vampires because the movie can be read that way and any "queernees" is chocked up to "classic vampire obsession"
No. 2205347
>>2204442tbf in many early wokie spaces at universities during the 90's, there was actually a lot of discussion about how Mel Brook films are "
problematic", Lindsay Ellies had an entire video discussing the topic
No. 2205421
>>2205172Heathcuck was always white, he was described as dark in a time when that literally meant Italian, or gypsy. Woke vocabulary did not exist in 1840s rural England, if he was black or Indian there would be a lot of censored words and an apologetic footnote. I don't think many of them have actually read the book, wokies tend to object to animal torturers, violent kidnappers, domestic abusers who aren't doing it out of porn reasons, and literally everything else that Heathcliff is and does. His only redeeming action is dying.
Dorian Gray had female lovers in the story and the gay bits- which these retards would be unable to spot anyway- were removed by Oscar Wilde himself after accusations of indecency. There's still gay subtext, but it's subtle and requires a level of reading comprehension beyond what's needed for booktok mlm love triangle spicies.
It doesn't matter that you're unfamiliar with the source material, the speds having meltdowns over the casting also don't know what they're on about. This is massively retarded. I honestly hope that more and more book adaptations stick to the fucking book instead of pandering to the terminally online.
>>2205003Lolcow has a userbase which includes recently peaked zoomies whose timelines are crammed with Chappell and Xiran asslicking. The hate is really concentrated on annoying pop culture women who are seen as untouchable outside of lolcow. They can't say shit about Chappell or Xiran without kids dogpiling you for being wlwphobic and transphobic and racist, so yeah, they come here and vent. It's disproportionate but nobody cares about them outside of the celebricow and booktok threads. Moid cows are way more depressing because the milk consists of rape, pedophilia, coercion, DV accusations, all that shit that we have to deal with on a daily basis as women anyway. Lolcow is an escape, not all of us want to have depressing Neil Gaiman and P Diddy threads instead of bitchy nasolabial folds discussions over harmless but annoying women that nobody else cares about.
No. 2205429
>>2205172you reposted the exact same thing from the last thread, fuck off.
>>2205421>There's still gay subtext, but it's subtle and requires a level of reading comprehension beyond what's needed for booktok mlm love triangle spicies. everyone knows that dorian gray is gay, his name is literally dorian. there are lots of obvious subtext in the novel, especially basils attraction towards dorian, and it is a very weird choice to make the two of them brothers in an adaptation.
No. 2205503
>>2205076I'm anon you're replying to, I'm also a DBDfag and yeah they got pretty insufferable when the SH dlc dropped and that's the start of when my fanbase (RE) was starting to get fucked too. I love DBD but it's also a curse.
>>2205129It's already happening. People mischaracterizing James like they do to Leon with the whole "uwu my pathetic wittle baby >:( he's just depressed and misses his wife guys!! >:(".
>>2205147The moid defending I have seen has been insufferable. He literally killed her because she was no longer of physical sexual value to him anymore and that is literally shovved in your face the entire game. Cannot believe how people are missing it.
>And coombrained scrotes claiming that the game is either based and redpilled because bitches got what was coming their way or infected with the woke mind virus because Maria's clothes aren't revealing enough and Laura is too ugly.No one is having it worse than Angela right now with the scrotes. Crazy how these men actually prove the points of the game irl with the way they're commenting on a sexual abuse survivor not being hot enough.
>>2205171If SH3 gets a remake it's unironically over once they start troonifying Heather.
No. 2205547
>>2205175imo, as someone who does read a large amount of male authors, I think one of the problems with them when it comes to lolcow-style discussion is that many of them aren't very 'front-facing' to lc's main userbase (the genres they write for, their books aren't as popular as FOTM YA/Romance, and a lack of presence on social media). There are male authors I could mock for days, but I doubt they'd get much traction here (especially the more dated milk), but then the rest really do fall into the kind of stuff kiwifarms users are more interested in– the authors posting political shit in particular.
Then you get to the more grim side of talking about these people, and that leaves you with having to talk about predatory behaviour and horrible crimes, which I guess isn't the kind of topic the anons who want to discuss relentlessly when they could instead talk about some of the more wacky shit going on in the genres/spaces they're more likely to frequent/be close enough to hear about second-hand.
I was surprised though how the Gaiman stuff didn't really get talked about here much though, feels like it got successfully swept under the rug.
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>>2203379I find it fucking hilarious how this shit was sparked by a white person.
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>>2206259I agree masks should be worn when people are sick and normalised for allergies and stuff, but even in Japan persistent mask usage isn't the healthiest.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10953900/ No. 2206455
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what i don’t understand is why so many antis love the incel pedo rapist murderer. being a dmcfag is pain, the fandom is infested with retarded zoomers.
No. 2206691
>>2203813I think it's healthier to interact with people outside of your echo chamber but unfortunately people who are in echo chambers become very weird and wouldn't have reached that stage if they had different opinions around them but when they eventually interact with someone 'different' they lash out completely.
I noticed the people in echo chambers are almost always unreasonable, especially on twitter. They have such a warped sense of view as well.
No. 2206699
>>2205429>very weird choice to make the two of them brothers in an adaptation.I agree but it's also really funny because these people defend adaptations changing anything and everything but are unable to articulate why this change is bad compared to other adaptations other than "muh representation" which isn't even a good argument anymore. Plenty of media nowadays has gay representation.
"it's disrespectful to the author because he's an oppressed gay man" damn that's crazy what happened to death of the author and separating art from artist? All of a sudden you have to respect every minute detail from the source material?
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>>2203534I don't play this, but I've seen some posts about the event on my twitter. It seems to be going in a very clear direction so far, it wouldn't be surprising at this point for the character to be announced as trans
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Maybe I sound like a cranky grandma and I don't mean things were necessarily better years ago, but they were different in a way that I miss. In the past, I contributed to scavenging material to supply databases and wikis in my fandoms that are still there to this day. Back when google translate was useless I had to go to autistic lengths to get a translation or find extra content of my interests. I was deep into two fandoms, I dropped one and I'm so close to dropping the second. I've been in this fandom for almost 2 decades. Beyond the media itself changing and evolving over the years, what really disappoints me is the fact that people don't seem to really care anymore. The forums, the niche websites, and the cons, all had their own issues, many of which I don't miss, but I felt most people genuinely liked the source material. I also have the feeling we used to be more self aware as fans in general, but somehow fandoms now act like they know the media better than the creators and insist on pushing their own visions into the rest of the fandom as well. Ofc these people always existed, but these discussions weren't a dogpiling contest and there used to be interesting theories and fun respectful conversations that could made.
I was part of the fandom because I genuinely loved the media. Finding people as into it as I was, was special to me. Aside from the handful of older fans I follow, nobody else is commenting on the details and content of the series, the part of the fandom who loved the media, the production, the details, the lore… are so dry and dead, it's only brought up when it's related to shipping in some way. Memes and fan interpretations were fine and fun until people got so lost in it that they wanted to push it into the source material, this is coming from someone who genuinely enjoys and supports transformative fandom, but it used to be populated by people who at least consumed the source material, not someone who decided to guess what the content was about by shooting in the dark after seeing a snippet of the source material somewhere. I feel like I care too much about the series compared to the average fan. I'm back to being the weirdo who likes it too much again, only now I don't see much of a spot for my dumbass in the fandom anymore. Maybe this is my cue to accept I outgrew it all. It makes me sad, but complaining about it won't change a thing, I wonder if other anons relate. Did you drop fandoms you were part of for years?
No. 2206774
>>2206756As a cosplayer of two decades, cosplay has been a pretty good indicator of the evolution of fandoms during my time. What started out as people in their homes sharing dinghy tutorials on basic wig styling or how to apply mod podge on soft foam evolved first into commercials for gaming companies, then softcore porn and finally an "aesthetic" you can buy from Aliexpress dropshippers. 15 years ago you could assume that people who cosplayed as a character actually knew and cared for the character and the series they spent their time making the costume from -I got so many life-long friends via meeting them through those shared fandoms that I'm in daily touch with to this day. Yet now when I go to a convention I only see cheap Chinese costumes being worn like rags and people just barely knowing the name of the character they're dressed up as, being only familiar with the "fandom version" they learned of through Tiktok memes and fandom wikis, not through personal experience and attachment. People openly post horny thirst traps and try to hit it big as an OF cosplay girl doing the same thing that every other OF cosplay girl is doing, even Kinpatsu gave up her legendary status crafter title to sell out as a dime a dozen costhot doing porn.
And honestly, at least personally I don't feel like I "outgrew" it, what "it" used to be just changed drastically in nature. Nobody really just gives a shit anymore. Everything has to revolve around social media numbers either through coom or a superficial one-note joke because neither requires that much of an investment into the source material, everyone is always getting ready to leave for the next FoTM so there's no point in settling down. You have to grow an exceptionally thick skin working on something for the fandom, be it a costume, fan art piece, translations, scans etc. only to see your hard work barely make rounds or reach even the like-minded because you're buried under loads of tourists and grifters who don't really give a shit about the community nor the fandom. I've been lucky enough to burrow myself into a hole with my current fandom where I can sperg about the canon autistically, come up with theories and enjoy genuinely appreciative fan works but I still have to dodge the bullshit that comes up every time I have to travel outside of my personal hugbox.
No. 2206794
>>2206756I was in the South park fandom since i was 10 until i was 21. I even submitted my own yaoi art for the creek episode but it never got picked up sadly. It was really fun in the 00s because it was a female-only fandom and everyone was mostly self aware of how retarded it was, but we had fun with our headcanons and ships. We all treated it like it was a CBDCT show, like k-on for women. Nowadays you have to walk on eggshells because the new fanbase are extremely sensitive TIFs who have never watched the show and only consoom the fanfics and fanart. Kyle went from being potrayed as a tsundere with freckles and people fighting over him having blue, green or brown colors to him being potrayed as TIF lisa simpson and people fighting over kyman shipper being
abusive. Like jesus its just a retarded show meant to be offensive and funny, how did it develop such a sensitive no-fun allowed fanbase?
No. 2206840
>>2206794>Like jesus its just a retarded show meant to be offensive and funny, how did it develop such a sensitive no-fun allowed fanbase?I'm always amazed at how often this occurs. Like if something is known for being edgy why are there so many sensitive people that cry and shame people for enjoying the messed up parts or even anticipating and looking forward for it.
>>2206798Do you have a specific fandom/show?
>teenagers infantilizing the characters and creators.Always amazing to see, celebrity worship makes the whole thing even worse on twitter fandoms
No. 2207034
>>2206857i don't follow pjsk but from what i could glean of the situation, mizuki's situation is almost a 1:1 parallel with makoto's from "senpai is an otokonoko" (guy who likes cute things crossdresses as a girl to avoid the stigma that comes with being gnc). unfortunately troons still argue to this day that makoto is a stunning and brave transwimmin and that japan is just too "backwards" to make it explicit (see
>>2206918), even though the manga has never shied away from tackling progressive issues. i also feel like all this might come from the west having trouble grappling with japan's culture of suggestion/ambiguity and misconstruing what jp fans find to be plainly obvious just because it's not written black-on-white (in this case, that he's an otokonoko and not trans). unfortunately because of said culture of suggestion, i don't see them making it explicit one way or the other in pjsk either, even though their intentions are probably crystal clear to jp fans.
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>>2207271
the insane bisexual m/f romance in question
No. 2207750
>>2207719Correct.
>>2207271In my observation trying to write a pitch packet for my stories once you want to target for female demographic (and not the gendie spicy straight demographic) they really tighten your niche. Oh you want to write for women? It's gonna be romance, right? Of course it's gonna follow one of these 5 guaranteed hit template, yes? It's pretty bleak that in some sense gendie nonbinary faux-yaoi is more diverse in setting, message and themes even if they eventually got put in neat booktok boxes like enemies to lovers, found family, heist anyway.
No. 2207910
>>2204964The Bell Jar is very well written but I absolutely recommend against reading it if you suffer from depression or have been in the past. It's the one book I've seen multiple people reignited a depressive period. It's almost evil.
>>2205421moid cows are definitely more depressing
No. 2207943
>>2206774I see your point. I never cosplayed but watching from a distance I had a certain perception of the cosplay scene changing. I remember not knowing the character you were cosplaying being a laughable, but now it's just an outfit. It looked like it slowly evolved from a passion craft to a contest in which cosplayer is hotter.
As far as my part of the fandom, I used to draw fanart and contribute with interviews, magazine scans, catalogs, guides, and anything else I could. I stopped contributing a few years ago because it feels like nobody cares for any of that. I guess it's fine, I can't really convince anyone to care the same way I do, but then why even put in the effort? I know a tif on tumblr who acts as an authority on the series and gets so many things wrong, she didn't even consume the original media, she reads the wiki. Yet, she's super popular with the new fans and they take her word on everything. It's just a wild thing for me to watch. I feel part of me outgrew part of the fandom because my standards went up with time and experience, so I don't get as much as I used to from fanarts and fanfics. But maybe, at the same time, the fandom standards for fanart and fanfic also went downhill, probably a combination of both.
I was too shy even on the internet, I missed my chance to meet people when I was younger, so aside from the handful of acquaintances I follow, I feel isolated. It would be my 20th year in the fandom next year, but I honestly feel more estranged from it than ever before. Glad you got your inner circle to sperg though, but still too bad the rest of the fandom evolved to the mess we got today.
>>2206984My issue is that I can only dedicate myself to fandom if I autistically fall in love with the media. They aren't even the best quality of media I consume, something simply fascinates me about them and I dive in. But that makes sense, that only very "nerdy" media would be able to gatekeep tourists.
No. 2208174
>>2206774I'm 27 and not a cosplayer, nor have I been a follower of cosplayers, but I think as an "outsider" and "third party" I have absolutely noticed the way cosplay used to be a nerdy otaku hobby but now is just another hobby to exploit into soulless coom where men demand women make a patreon to sell themselves. It's so disheartening.
I read a statistic in an actual academic book that modern generations are having less sex than ever and it doesn't shock me at all, I put it down to the way younger girls are traumatised by coomer moids invading their interests before those girls even hit puberty. A random example of something that I remember pissing me off was when I was 16/17 the anime Kill La Kill aired, I saw a lot of men encouraging girls and women to cosplay the coomer outfits. It felt malicious especially since feminism was gaining traction back then and there was a big pushback against it from moids (in fact I remember reading comments from men confused why there were so many coomer cosplays), there were even a bunch of otaku "Cool Girls" who were constantly posting shit revolving around "Kill La Kill is the best. Thank you Kill La Kill" and mocking their younger teen followers for being upset about it. I hate it all tbh and I'm not even anti-sex but none of this shit respects women's humanity. I went to a con recently and a girl was wearing one of these KLK coomer cosplayers and every time I crossed paths with her I saw some wardrobe malfunction where a body part was on display, I felt a part of myself shrivel up and die out of second hand embarrassment each time, she looked so mentally checked out too. Ngl I ended up hating men a little bit each time I saw her dressed up like that.
Not blackpill because I've had normie male friends in my life who are disgusted with hypersexual culture (and even have felt disheartened to make something because they don't want their male audience to turn their creations into a fetish), but I do put it down to these coomer moids turning everything into porn that girls grow up to become basically asexual/inhibited and have no hobbies because they're afraid of it getting turned into degrading porn or horror. Like how many young female fans were there of MLP? And how many accidentally watched Cupcakes?
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>>2207740Why do people feel need to turn them bi? it isn't necessarily gonna change the fact it's straight? There was this one video made by a guy claiming sailor moon and tuxedo mask's relationship is inherently queer because…Usagi simped for one of the sailors (might I add was very male presenting)? No offense but that is a reach if I'd ever seen one.
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Couldn’t tell if this is more suited for ugly man psyop, sexism in video games, or here but has anyone else here seen this balding retard oozing with estrogen lately? It’s always ugly men who are against sexualized depictions of hot men kek. He’s also a pedo that cheered on Iran for lowering its age of consent, put this faggot on a plantation.
No. 2208441
>>2208324When did men start parroting tumblr talking points
Everyone is gay so you can feel morally good about it
literally that's it
No. 2208449
>>2208407Aren't some men seething over LaDs for being more "risqué" than their literal coombait waifu stimulators?
>>2208441So they can hide their literal lesbian fetish behind woke doors. Better yet, they troon out for good measure.
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>>2207719I know there’s a
valid argument to be made for badly written women but I can’t take it completely seriously when you consider picrel. I think female characters tend to go under much more scrutinization compared to even cardboard cut out male characters.
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Not sure what’s the appropriate thread for this, just wanted to bitch about this, mainly with how artists portray boys/girls in general
>male (14 year old) Katara looking way older than her own older brother and gaining Mako’s eyebrows
>female Aang’s proportions stay mostly the same so male Katara looks bizarrely older for whatever reason
>Of course fandom eats this up because it’s everyone’s favorite dynamic of uwu small girl x sexy older moid
Was also gonna mention female Aang’s hair length, but just remembered female monks in ATLA still grow their hair long but shave their hairline while the male monks simply shave themselves bald, which is just retarded when IRL monks of both genders shave their heads bald. The moid creators were really too threatened by the idea of women with fully shaved heads kek
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I can't until it's legal to drag these people through the streets tied to a horse.
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I hope the entire media literacy crowd dies and goes to hell.
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Without reading why do you think Japanese media is so popular worldwide
No. 2209893
>>2209822This, there's also more variety n genre despite people complaining about isekai. Cartoons have pushed themselves into a niche of either "for children adventure comedy" or "for adult edgy comedy".
Cartoons also take longer to make and have chunks of hiatus where it's just the same episode on repeat for a couple of weeks. Anime doesn't have that problem, 1-2 cour thrown out, sometimes split cour.
I think something else is that, since they're adoptions, they are able to build up hype with chapters constantly coming out weekly/monthly.
No. 2209904
>>2209867>I also believe that "adult animation" in the west is still heavily focused on sex jokes and comedyTrue. Anime is also infamous for having too many sex jokes, but at least it often tries to have a pretty art style and tell a serious story in between. A lot of Western “adult” animated shows these days have the (intentionally ugly?)
Rick and Morty–esque art style and make a point of being satire/irony and not taking themselves seriously. Obviously there are exceptions to this.
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>>2209904Here’s a good explanation from someone on Reddit.
No. 2209951
>>2209824>. Anyway I'm guessing it's because muh based anti woke Japan.Unironically I think that's a big part. In non-English spaces people complain about diversity and representation. Netflix changing a straight character to be gay, racebending characters etc etc
There's way more vitriol about this stuff in non-English communities.
Anime doesn't care, even when you have a gay or "
poc" character, it's not smug it feels almost natural at times. The stories you find are far more than what American media has been offering for the past 10 years
Rings of Power is a laughing stock because of it's elves for example but the current crop of people in American media can't and won't understand that.
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>>2209810Never would have expected that to be the reason
No. 2209957
>>2209810There’s pretty much something for everyone and it’s easy to get into with sites like MAL
>fightfag shit for tween boys and old mexican dudes>2deep4u shit>romance shit specifically for women (in straight and gay flavors) >romance shit specifically for men>moeblob shit for lolicons >mahou shoujo shit for GURL POWER tumblr chicks >ghibli shit for boring normiesEven my mom likes some anime like Erased and adolescence of Utena.
No. 2209959
>>2209939Unironically they just hate fun and it's also the easiest way to make yourself look like a intelligent and good person to fellow retards. Of course, when it's something they like put on blast they claim unintelligent shit like death of the author or they um acktually everything. Bucket of boring, retarded crabs.
>>2209950I think it was Hanna Barbera and toys companies' doing because animated movies like Plague Dogs and When the Wind Blows were recieved really well, although those were both British films so maybe it's something that's been going on in America for longer.
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>>2209950>>2209959Believe it or not there was a time adult animation was mainstream in the USA and even released in theaters. I think americans became more sensitive over the years, shit like coonskins wouldn't be able to be on theaters across the country today.
No. 2209974
>>2209964Eh, I don’t even think people have when you look at the numbers Hollywood movies are doing
I think people just don’t bother with western serialized series much anymore.
No. 2209994
>>2209982It doesn't matter because the movie being to your liking wasn't my point in the slightest. It was just to show theatrical adult animation in the USA used to be a thing during the 70s and 80s.
>>2209988It was marketed that way but it's meant to be a criticism of 70s hippie culture. Ralph Bakshi did other movies like Wizards, Fire and Ice and American pop that are all different genres too. I feel like one of the main reasons people dont like animation anymore because its either all comedy or extremely watered down fantasy adventure for children. It also doesn't help that movies and cartoons are seen as products and investments and not as pieces of art.
No. 2210083
>>2209656I will never be homophobic becuase most lesbians and gay guys are chill. It's the bihets and straights that make the lgb community look bad.
>>2209810It's one of the few mediums where men are allowed the same amount of "attractiveness" as women which entices burnt out yumes who are sick of every man in modern disney movies looking like they're cut from the ugly tree.
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>>2210083>It's one of the few mediums where men are allowed the same amount of "attractiveness" as womenNot completely related, but that reminded me of this comment about men seeming upset about the sex reversal of fan service in JJK.
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This shit is so fucking retarded. This movie is going to tank so goddamn hard and I can't wait. The casting choices were AWFUL to begin with but picrel actually baffled me. The original poster is so iconic, is she really so braindead she thought no one would edit it to look the same? And to say it's more offensive than AI art or people sexually harassing her….
No. 2210154
>>2210133>we communicate with our eyesOr, you know, other facial expressions like a smile.
I can't even tell what she's trying to convey in the official poster. She just looks like she's staring at you with a blank expression. The fan edit at least has some semblance of emotion since she's smiling even though her eyes are covered.
No. 2210203
>>2210154She's not communicating anything. Mild amusement/smugness/neutral.
>right down the barrel of the camera to you, the viewerWhy is she acting like that's groundbreaking kek
No. 2210321
>>2209956The irony is that all of the biggest anime from the 5 years don’t fit the “happy ever after” shtick
Attack on Titan
JJK
Demon Slayer
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>>2210450Why is it animated like an old JL movie? We're supposed to be past this.
No. 2210501
>>2210450this is probably getting off-topic, but imo it's really clear to me that a lot of the animators working on shows with similar styles are very uncomfortable/unfamiliar with drawing in a more realistic style or getting more realistic movement timings down right– anime is well know for often being animated on lower frame rates (on twos or threes rather than ones for example) for large portions of episodes (especially if you study animation, this will often be pointed out as a key difference between western and japanese animation on a more technical level, ignoring the fact that western animation being on majority ones hasn't really been the norm for ages kek), yet it's not always obvious because their animators are very practised in keying poses within those restraints. Western animation studios primarily work with simpler designs and actions, with many artists within the industry being unimpressive draughtsman compared to those in other countries (eg french). It's kind of one of the major benefits of the 'calarts' style family, it's very easy to draw and works well for the sitcom-style shows that encompass most western animation. Castlevania, for example, had some great pieces of animation done by a few select animators, and then many other scenes would be quite wonky and off-model/poorly drawn, even though the characters were just standing still with some moth-flap animation for talking.
The streaming model with short seasons and odd production practices also doesn't help, as it doesn't allow time for boarders (since these shows are pretty much never animated in-house) to get properly familiar with the character designs and animation methods (this is why you might notice quality bumps in long-running series, it's not necessarily because more budget but usually just plain practice and familiarity).
No. 2210713
>>2210465This style was such a mistake
DC’s animated movies before the “new 52” animated verse were so much better
MCU-wanna be bs
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>>2210704Castlevania looks better
This looks so stiff
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>>2210450> no matter how many wokies claim it's good on social media to counter the RWers, they won't even watch it either, so the end product is poorly animated 8 episodes of crap, with good reviews but no one actually watches it, Why does this describe almost everything made by these types of people.
Endless praise for parroting twitter talking points that tumblr wrote 10 years ago
We will never escape this cycle
No. 2210717
>>2210714ayrt, and that's definitely part of it. There's something else that looks off too and I can't really put my finger on it. The lips feel somehow too prominent, but the stiffness I think makes the fact they tried to give her some muscle so much worse. It just looks bad.
>>2210716Because despite claiming they don't, they live in the epitome of a privileged echo chamber
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>>2210794There is no rape scene and no tentacles.
There is a split second scene with the first monster they come across that holds the mc's female classmate hostage and basically gropes her? Pic related.
No. 2210811
>>2210802It's so short and forgettable I didn't even remember the character herself. In terms of fanservice with female characters I can't think of anything in the anime, but then in the manga there's
Uro and Yorozu being naked but they still do normal stuff instead of posing. I wonder how they're censor the flashback with
Yorozu in the anime.
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he would not say that
No. 2211023
>>2210984I'd love an animated series that faithfully adapts classic books like the World Masterpiece Theater anime did back in the day, just with prettier designs. Couldn't get into Anne of Green Gables because she looked to ugly. Loved their Pollyanna and Heidi, but I wish they did the Jane Austen books.
On a different view I think most people these days are looking for content that is long running or doesn't end and I'd hate to write a story like that because it'd fall right into the worst writing tropes of not having an ending in mind.
But I just want more animated romances. Not comedy with shipping, an actual romance story where the drama is caused by a 3rd party that's not relationship misunderstandings.
No. 2211080
>>2210984i'm kind of confused by what you mean, but there are a lot of cartoons with great animation and art styles, so i wouldn't mind more mature shows that take inspiration from art directors like glen murakami, genndy tartakovsky, derrick wyatt (RIP), christy karacas (ballmastrz had some pretty cool sequences), and bruce timm to name a few. i would like some sword and sorcery inspired shows, whether it be high or low fantasy (maybe actual adaptations of short stories), but with less tacticool, modernized looks like dragon prince and that vox show. more like frank frazetta, ken kelly, and michael whelan kind of aesthetic.
but are you also asking for recommendations? there are a ton of great cartoons with a more mature appeal, i think.
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>>2211158Agree
And not satire/irony
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>>2211158>can anyone be sincere about something?Yeah. It’s called cringe by most of this website kek.
Tbh the fact it did well is probably a good sign for adult western animation.
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>>2211183Beth's daddy issues with Rick was honestly boring to me because from what I remember, it's every story of a father walking out on raising their kid and just generally not being there for them. It's more interesting to watch Inside Job's rundown of Reagan's daddy issues with Rand because it's interesting to watch just how much he played an active role in fucking her up because of his psychotic takes. He didn't walk out, he raised Reagan because he cares about Reagan. But because he is a sociopath, he loves her to the maximum capacity and design that a
sociopath can, and it's played with more creatively than Rick and Morty.
No. 2211236
>>2211227Last time I checked it had adult themes and everyone swore like sailors, it just is hopeful and cheerful and everyone overacts like retards in it.
Hmm, maybe they’re right, maybe the world of adult animation should remain cynical and sarcastic, because if it weren’t then people like you would say all animation is for children since it’d inevitably have a kiddy fanbase if it weren’t drab, depressing and self deprecating.
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>>2210875>Using characters from a country where gay people's sexuality cannot be taken seriously, less would a tranny being taken seriously without the "Yes, but then you'll have to marry a man/woman and have kids like a normal person" expectation.Why are twitterfags like that?
No. 2211312
>>2209939The best insights I saw are usually from people that like such low effort media and have accounts dedicated to them but once in a blue moon they write a scathing critique about a show or book that's trying too hard to be intellectual.
You can enjoy stuff for what it is even if it's just mindless fun. Not everything is a nefarious propaganda but almost all media has some sort of thought put into it. SpyxFamily I think to most people is a very innocent show but a lot of people see it as a propaganda show to encourage young people (Japanese) people to get married and have kids
No. 2211313
>>2210723No I don't remember anything half as intense
It might have had a tentacle looking monster trashing around and causing havoic
I promise you if that was more of a reoccurring theme, the fans would have ran wild with it. JJk fanbse is a hub of generates anyway
No. 2211318
>>2210984If it's an adaptation of something, tie the hands of the showrunners and tell them to not be stupid (Black Jimmy Olsen) if they're itching to do something original with an IP then just let them do something original that won't invoke the wrath of fans.
Be sincere and fun. Hazbin and Helluva Boss are both it's cringe to some and I know some people get
triggered by some aspects but it's sincere and doesn't feel like there's a DEI person breathing down the Viz' neck telling her to make characters gay.
It's also fun. Fun doesn't mean that it's silly, Attack on Titan is fun but it's not lighthearted with slapstick comedy.
I think Western media just doesn't know how to tell a story not cloaked in a self righteous message they ripped off from tumblr/twitter/tiktok. There's nothing wrong but they need to widen their literacy to more than just viral tweets. No one wants to feel like they're getting lectured
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>Furries shitting on fujos again
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>>2211389How can fujos be sex negative when we're into guro kek.
>>2211390Exactly. If OP was a man reading lolicon then literally no one would give a shit. Even Shadman who drew porn of people's actual children and his mom just got winslow memes and never regular harassment.
No. 2211406
>>2211368People seriously act as if bl manga is monsterous contraband that brainwashes people, it's fucking ridiculous.
Starting to miss when people just thought it was silly books for silly women.
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>censored retard
>in the south park wiki
kek why is it always the fans for the most controversial shows that are the most sensitive
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>>2211467What level of stupid do you have to be to defend her tantrum
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>>2211691Expanding this to include games but I'm someone who can be put in the same camp as "chuds" that don't like woke/pandering garbage but the whole "go woke or broke" mantra is just cope. "Woke" stuff is so normalized now that normies don't care and will tolerate it as long as the rest of the content is good enough. People will protest and shit on stuff they perceive as SJWy but most of them still buy the product (Starfield) or they weren't the target audience for it anyway so it doesn't matter (Dustborn).
>And how “woke” do shows reach before they become a turn off or eat itselfWhen it becomes straight up Tumblr Portland shit like Dustborn or Dead End: Paranormal. 99% of queeroids won't even play/watch that stuff to virtue signal even though it's made for them. It hits too close to home and there's no idealization or escapist factor, it's like seeing their Twitter TL animated. This is why you shouldn't believe them on caring about people telling their own stories, they just want their identities shoehorned in stuff they already like (Persona/MHA/whatever).