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>>1972829Thread to discuss the phenomenon of "fujoshi", the women that identify as such and the women who criticise it.
To a latter extent, discuss also the phenomenon of "yumejoshi" and "himejoshi", especially when it comes to the yume vs. fujo feud.
Discuss the history of fujoshism, speculate on its reasons, argue your opinion on it and exchange intelligent views with other farmers.
Topics include:
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"? >Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed? >Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society? >Can yumes and fujos be friends?New questions:
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing? >Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they? >Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?>Do you think there is a problemwhen it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Be respectful and do not infight. Honest discussion only.
No. 1978414
>>1978385Voice works also don't count apparently, even though those are pretty damn fucking good and there's a lot of them
No reason given at all though
>>1978383There's fujos who self-insert and not every non-fujo is a "hetfag" (AKA likes low quality TL manga), keep coping
With how obsessed you are with denying that fujos ever self-insert, I bet you actually do it yourself from time to time and are too ashamed to admit it kek
Get it through your thick skull: stating simple facts about fujos is not criticizing them
No. 1978480
Let me answer the questions in OP, because everyone here really really wants to know my thoughts on yaoi.
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
100% vouyeristic. It's not even just the sex, but the romanticism is also vouyeristic. It's about the escapism for me.
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
I've been a fujo since the late 90s and I have to say I've never even seen this. Maybe it's bc I'm not american and only learned english much later, but the fandoms I participated in, in my language, were very pro LGBT irl.
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Possibly. I'm a heterosexual man hater, so the aspect of by-women-for-women helps me read about men in romantic and sexual situations knowing that not only are they not real moids, but also they're female fantasies. That makes them non-threatening and it means that they belong to women.
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
Dislike. I'm into fujoshit for the romance as well as the sex, and omegaverse "romance" really isn't at all. They're not falling in love with each other, they're being commanded by hormones, so there's no need for them to even get to know each other. My dick got hard because of your smell, so we're in love now I guess. Same for het omegaverse. Also the concept of mpreg is nasty to me.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
I particularly don't watch porn or read hentai, and I consume very little pornographic yaoi and fanfic. This assumption is misogynistic. You're baasically saying that any degree of sexuality in a woman is an addiction, taking away our right to have a libido.
>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society?
Girl idk.
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
Why not? Why do we have to fight? Fujos who hate yumes and yumes who hate fujos, please explain it to me.
No. 1978498
>>1978471>the uke is just a girl but maleso… not a girl
get a grip. a dong is a dong
No. 1978629
>>1978480I'm this bitch, answering the other quetsions that I didnt see bc im retarded.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing? Why not?
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?Do they? I don't have many male friends and I don't talk about porn with the ones I do have. I imagine they talk about and share porn and hentai. Just seems like the male thing to do.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they? They're absolutely not fujoshi. They're women whose brains have been rotted by genderism. I'll go as far as to say that it's all a performance for them. They don't have an inner world anymore, they're completely consumed by the persona they want to project, so much so that they can't differentiate the creature they created in order to be accepted by other gendies on socmed from their real selves. Gendies do not exist unless they're perceived. So, girls who write and who jerk off to FTM porn are simply doing so bc it's the "right side of history" thing to do. It's sad, they have lost the capacity to feel and think for themselves.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?Because women are not supposed to sexualize men. We are allowed to sexualize each other and ourselves. That's why porn for women still focuses on the woman being penetrated, the noises she makes, her expressions, etc., and why women who consume content that sexualizes men, are considered degenerates. We are encouraged to sexualize and objectify ourselves and our peers. The act of being objectified and sexualized is seen as being part of womanhood, because that's what our existance is to society: sex.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?I don't think female sexualization is inherently bad, so no, I don't think there's an inherent problem there. Instances of sexualization can be
problematic, though.
No. 1978670
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Not likely. They're just straight women who say 2D is better than 3DPD like hentai obsessed moids do
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Women in fandoms are more social than men for some reason.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
No, and they're dangerously close to falling for the fujo to tif pipeline. Enjoying a vagina on a man is the same thinking as trans people no matter how you spin it
>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
It doesn't, it's just a fault of society and how women see themselves in it. Women like to draw the female protagonist as attractive, or they may seem weak and meager because they want to see a shy and timid girl get the boy in life for once. It's projection, wishing they were a stacy, which I understand, but an attractive female protagonist does not mean that it caters to men.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Somewhat, but I don't care. I like that the men are hot and cater to women. I just wish there wasn't so much sexual assault or rape. I think that's a problem in a lot of yaoi as well though. I don't know why women have this kink so much
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>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
eh the more i think of it I doubt it. you dont see fully gay men into yuri in the same fashion so called lesbians enjoy yaoi. I've seen gay men that maybe enjoyed the relationship between two girls but it was mainly in a platonic fashion and it didnt go any further than that. "lesbians" that are into yaoi for some reason think of male characters in a sexual manner more often than actual het/bi fujos would kek
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
idk what corners of the internet youre on but every anime/hobby im interested in have moids that are extremely loud about the porn of the characters they consume etc. Its pretty much an expectation. if anything fujos seem to be the ones in there own corners
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
yeah as much as men that enjoy yuri pairings with futa in it are still yurifags at the end of the day. its just a fetish added onto another fetish, just for some reason fujos will cope by saying its representation instead of just being real and saying they like drawing men with vaginas and chest scars because they find it hot.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
because men are the ones obsessing over and buying the products. most women are busy living their lives and otaku women that have the money to splurge on their hobbies are rare to come by
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
no
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>>1978727I come share my enlightened knowledge and this is how you treat me
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>>1978002Do fujos ever realize how disgusting and misogynistic they are with omegaverse/mpreg, no amount of cope that it is a apparently 'niche' will dissuade me from this absolute hatred I feel when I see this mocking or comparing actual human pregnancy to their porn addict fetish.
No. 1978747
>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
I don't think it actually does.
Now, hear me out, and I can't speak for everything so take this with a grain of salt. I think that, while historically men did have control over what 'content for women' was, over time that has become less so, especially when it comes to self-published content online. Their influence has effected what appears in said content, but it doesn't actually cater to them. There's a whole lot of 'bad code' in the dna of the romance genre, for example, that causes a bunch of seemingly outdated ideas to continuously reappear, and if you shift over to the smut side these tropes only become more obvious and exaggerated as they've also solidified into common enough kinks/fetishes as each generation of writers and readers passes them on to the next and alters them in a game of literary telephone.
This happens even faster with online media, as it has little to no publication requirements. You also see similar things within yaoi/slash as those communities go through trends or bottleneck into niche communities. It's also been discussed previously that, due to it being more prolific/seen as the default, the visual language, tropes and quirks of porn for men end up showing in media meant for women, which can make it confusing at a glance who the work is really for. Hopefully over time this will fall out of vogue as female-oriented smut gains a firmer grasp on its own visual language and shorthands. Sperg over kek
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>multiple tifs openly admitting they transitioned cause of yaoi
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>this retarded thread made it to 3 threads alone
you fuckheads can’t be bothered to have a normal conversation anymore. no more good morning, no more good afternoon, just the same dumb shit bringing fujos to /ot/ so they can ruin the board with their sperging. why can’t the mods just lock this already?
No. 1978885
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?
I don't think being a fujo necessarily causes one to troon out, but it's how gender ideology pairs so well with romanticizing being a man and having a same-sex relationship where the dynamics are (supposedly) more equal. Back then, most fujos were aware they were just women who enjoyed seeing BL and had no problem admitting that, but as gender ideology seeped into fandom spaces and proposed the idea that you can, in fact, be a gay man even if you weren't born as one, a lot of them started calling themselves men. Social contagion played a role in exacerbating this.
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
I don't think fujoshi self-insert, but they definitely lean toward empathizing with one of the characters better. I think it's more obvious if you read any smut fic and notice the way the POV is written. It's usually written from the bottom's POV, and if it's written from the top's POV, it feels strangely focused on the bottom's pleasure and reactions rather than the top's. Of course this is all anecdotal and depends on your fandom/ship.
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
Back then I didn't understand how you can enjoy BL but not support gay men irl, but I can see why now. 2D men are drawn in a style that is aesthetically pleasing, plus they don't have many of the negative traits that real life men have. I think the same argument can apply to yumes liking fictional husbandos, but not wanting to date men irl.
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Most fujoshi just enjoy BL because they like seeing attractive men, and like to see romance on top of that. I never saw the misogyny argument being brought up until fujos were called "gay men fetishizers". I do think some fujos are more critical toward female characters than male characters though. There are times when the male characters genuinely are written better and have more screentime; you'll mostly see this in shounen (because they're male characters written by men), but there are also times when a female character and male character are equally poorly written, but the female character gets shit on way more by fandom. And by shit on, I don't mean that fujos just ignore her, but will go out of their way to write rants on why she's terribly written and such a bad love interest for their favorite male character compared to the male best friend who they ship him with.
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
It started out as some weird trope where you apply animal dynamics to smut, and has become synonymous with TIF/intersex/PIV sex because of the mpreg aspect. I rarely see this trope written well. The characters are turned OOC to force them to fit into the mold of a dom alpha x sub omega. It feels like I'm reading heterosexual dynamics/BDSM in disguise whenever I give an omegaverse fic a try. Not to mention how the omegas are often feminized and called "wife" or "princess"… I can definitely see why people think this trope is steeped in misogyny.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
No, it comes down to the individual. There are fujos who just want to see their favorite boys in fluffy scenarios, and there are fujos who can only talk about gay sex and have to make everything sexual. Likewise, there are yumes who just want to see and make cute content of their husbando, and there are yumes who have to hornypost 24/7 about their husbando's dick.
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
Yes. Maybe you won't actively engage in each other's content, but you can still support each other.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
I'll be honest, I have yet to encounter a lesbian fujoshi OR yumejo in my fandom spaces that didn't come across as bi or straight. Many of the lesbian fujoshi I see will actively consume and create M/M smut and talk about dicks, and yes they have admitted to masturbating to it and not just reading/writing for the feels. They rarely talk about female characters/yuri, and if they do, it feels very performative. They think genderbending their favorite yaoi ship in fanart counts as enjoying yuri, but you will never see them talking about canonical female characters or F/F smut. The lesbian yumejo I know is even more blatant in her obvious attraction to men because all she does is write straight sex of herself with her husbando and talks about his dick. I have met one lesbian who does read BL occasionally, but it's only for fun and she doesn't get off to it. She actually reads yuri way more. I don't doubt that lesbians can enjoy BL, I just don't think they're the same as the "lesbian" fujos who are constantly talking about their favorite male characters.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
They are fujoshi who have memed themselves into liking cuntboy fetish/enjoy heterosexual dynamics but feel safer projecting it onto two male characters. There are lots of old-school fujos who have trooned out with the rise of gender ideology, but that doesn't discredit the fact that they were (and still are) fujos. And there have always been fujos who like heterosexual dynamics in M/M ships, and now you see it coming to an extreme with TIFs. You can say that the small, submissive uke x big, aggressive seme trope is no longer popular, but the characterizations are still there. The bottom is more likely to be cared for, protected, and comforted by the top. Most fujos TIFs are straight so they project their heterosexuality onto gay characters.
No. 1978905
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?
Misogyny and autism plays a way bigger role
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
Fujos tend to get attached to ukes more than to semes, sometimes their behaviour reminds me of shoujofags who worship the heroine more. But I don't think it's self-insertion, rather they either see them as a husbando OR they see them as a comfort character or their son. There are some fujo ships where people could argue that self-insertion does actually happen though, like 14 yrs ago sebaciel fujos were definetly self-inserting as ciel. The hotter the seme is, the more you can expect this to happen. But I think usually it's a form of voyeurism or wanting to see their husbando getting pounded cause as I said, ukes are more appealing to fujos. Semes are probably more appealing to yumejoshi
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
It's dumb
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Escaping misogyny to some extent, but at the end of the day it's just a hobby like many other
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
Gross and retarded and lowkey misogynistic, and I've always hated mpreg and butt babies
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
Maybe some are, but I'm not
>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society?
BL tends to thrive in conservative societies, like it's banned in china and this is not stopping any chinese fujos
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
It's super easy if the fujo ships A x B and the yume husbando is an unrelated character like C but if the yume husbando A or B they need to learn to tolerate each other and that might be a bit difficult if the yume is totally against any gay ship
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Yes
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Simple, women prefer communities and fandoms and some of them seek validation from their female peers
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
Ugh I hate this but technically if they still enjoy the ship in their original form and are not strictly into chopped tits, they are fujoshi. A weird brand of TiF-leaning fujoshi. If they're strictly into chopped tits they're just yume aidens
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
Brainwashed to the moid gaze from a young age, it's a systemic problem
>Do you think there is a problem
when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Kek yes
No. 1978947
>>1978765 But the thing is what was the logic of there being a panel next to it showing her body? It would have been way more coherent to display her face
in the panel, capturing her expression in the heat of moment lmao
No. 1978948
>>1978946>You have to admit it's really strange to go>nuh I don't want to see m/f relationships but if it's the same coomershit but with m/m I'll vibe with that.No, I don't think it's strange to have different reactions to bad things happening to a woman versus bad things happening to a man.
The reason why it's doesn't get brought up in fujo circles is because that
should be plainly obvious.
Do you think men jerking to ryona go "I love seeing women getting beaten up but if this was a man, I would not be happy about it."
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fujos are based to me only because its one of the few spaces on the internet where AGP's dont gather. I'd rather deal with a confused TIP than a TIM any day of the week.
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>>1978406>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?I have no idea. I don't mind big titty female MCs but I mind when the male MCs in them aren't nearly as porny and when all the focus is on the woman.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?Yes. Too much fucking focus on the woman. The peak hetero sexy art is when those women who ship Bulma and Vegeta draw them getting nasty because there's an actual heterosexual fun dynamic on display where there is focus on both characters but mostly on the man, because, you know, it's made by a heterosexual woman. I kind of envy fangirls of this ship because they get the real good content. Hetero drawn this way is as good as yaoi drawn with intense autistic love for a ship. (pic not lewd but partially related to what I'm saying)
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Seeing how most people in this thread seem to agree that lesbian fujos are not actually lesbians, what do you think is the cause of this behavior? Lack of self-awareness/extreme autism? IRL man hating? Wanting to be cool with the homos? Internalized biphobia? All of above?
No. 1979195
>>1979181I think this "but they only date women hence they are lesbians" argument is dumb. Are febfems lesbians too? Obviously not. What determines sexual orientation is sexual attraction. A bisexual female can date women her whole life and she still would be a bisexual because she's sexually attracted to males as well even if she doesn't act on it IRL.
>tifs/enbies who only date each other and roleplay yaoiI find it funny that usually those TIFs that you mention will exclusively fuck men once they get on T (possibly the raise in libido makes them realize that they're not sexually attracted to women or not nearly as much as they thought).
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This is how it is.
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>>1979346This is it, girls. It's been solved. We can all go home now
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>>1978406anti fujos still spouting the same old arguments that have been already dismantled…can this thread die already its just the same old slapfight again and again
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>>1979367Ah shit here we go again
No. 1979452
>>1979446Being vague because I'm paranoid, but basically a character that's a perfect green flag, the devoted forever will marry you if you just say it and take care of the house while you work type. Also has a big dick
So yeah never getting a 3dpd like that ever lmao
No. 1979528
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
I know several. They exist, they undoubtedly exist. It didn't make sense at first but after lurking a few fujo threads and sites on the topic, it really started to click and made me feel better for liking yuri despite being a straight woman. Lesbians are so use to seeing other perspectives due to a lack of their own that yaoi just came naturally to them.
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Fujos are women and therefore more inclined to social activities and sharing than men. Men are so afraid of gayness that any interactions with other men beyond apefights and bitch slaps is considered gay pussy shit. I'm dead serious about that one. Knew a few guys who unironically didn't care if most of his friend group dies, cuz fuck them am I right? meanwhile women would fight and tooth and nail if it meant helping each other when times were rough.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
They're fujos with extra steps in my opinion. What it boils down to is the uke is often seen as woman so naturally the tif takes the uke and does so but keeps the seme intact for whatever reason. It's why you rarely see a cis uke and trans seme because the tif is projecting projecting herself to the uke, thus making them more like them.
>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
As long as men have a say in works besides more niche mediums, straight romance will always be marred by pozzed character development, sexist tropes, and ass backwards premises that wouldn't be out of place in a braindead fanfiction. You could have swore a 13 year old boy wrote some of them until you realized the huge pickme problem in booktok lately.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
I read het romance to see two hotties doing the deed but I am partial to the fmc being the homely one while the mmc is considered the hot one. One too many times have media sold the hot wife ugly husband trope that started becuase insecure moids hated the thought of women settling for actual chads and not fail males.
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>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else
All he/hims I ever have encountered was into some form of gay shipping - anime or not, that’s just what I know firsthand.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
Once again, I am talking about people I knew/knew of. I have plenty weeb and nonweeb slashers who are into gay male relationships, inevitably into porn of that kind also. And for them it’s always about gays, anything at all: being this ancient philosophy or kiddie morning show. Everybody gay, if they do show some signs of not being gay, specifically - oh that’s because they are internally confused or something. Every interaction of people/characters are about sex, there is no other possibilities. I don’t know, I’d say if your mind occupied by porn categories, then yes, you are addicted to porn, because you experience the world through porn lens. To complain how fragile and triggered moids are for not getting jokes about how they all fucking in a gym, while, would imagine, wouldn’t be so amused by a moid’s joke about “yall fucking at sleepovers” or whatever - I don’t know even. You could say “but it’s different because misogyny”, but the fuck it’s not - the same pornbrain mentality, imo.
Yume pornbrain - from what I saw in the wilderness - is similar, especially when there are certain unusual preferences - it’s shoving sex stuff into everyday life, projecting, sexualizing, sharing their distorted reality.
Both cases are all about obsession of something romantic and thus something sexual - do they look for romance in porn? Or do they “shield” by romance to obsess over porn? I am not an expert on male gay romance manga or media overall - is nonporn bl more popular than pvp? Like, you know, shoujo romance is more popular than tl. Is this about looking for a woman-written love story without any possible distractions for one’s vulnerability? And most of what they get is porn, because editors think “sex sells”? Idk because there is a giant mass of nonprofit gay pornfics.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Aprox 80% slasher/fujo girls I know are some kind of “lesbian”. I use ironic quotation exactly because it’s dubious and just stupid. Okay, woman-written romance, okay no misogyny. But like. Being a lesbian and being obsessed over some korean moid or a harem of several male characters. What. Roleplaying male gay sex with gf, sex in cosplay of said male characters. Multiple merchandise, memorabilia of some moid/s. Point of having a naked sexualized fanart of a geriatric man on your phone wallpaper while being a lesbian? Userpics of k webnovel muscleman? Writing literal love poems on socials to a male character? I just don’t get it. I am straight and do have a waifu (I know, cringe), but I don’t what her to be engaged in any sexual activity, maybe slightly erotic. So it’s a mystery, mindset like that.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
Because they made hentai for men and tl also for men and women, trying to cater to everyone - hrr drr there is a female in the straight story after all, so there is a female body we can use, so why don’t we do it. This is ultra dumb. Seeing japanese smut for women (presumably) and seeing that the focus is always fucking always on female body, often her chest, take a look, nearly every manga cover depict a guy undressing a female mc. And in sex scenes they always undress female characters ignoring male ones. So when big companies artists are doing this (because of editors and creative effective whatever managers), of course indie artists would do the same for money.
No. 1979675
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>>1979641>Non porn bl is popular/common enoughNayrt but while non porn BL does exist you should take a stroll down toranoana in Ikebukuro, nonna. 90% of everything in there is porn BL. So it's a bit disingenuous to say that westerners make more porn BL than the Japanese, from first-hand experience that's not the case at all. I'd say both sides have an even share of non-porn to porn BL with porn BL overwhelmingly dominating.
No. 1979703
>>1979689 cover "western" with your finger when reading
>>1979641 if it makes you feel better.
No. 1979754
>>1979746Don't reply to bait,
nonny.
>>1979741idk if I'd call myself a fujo since I read many other genres as well, but I'm doing my nu carnival dailies and poking a dude's nipples as we speak so maybe you can count me in part. I don't frequent the BL thread on /m/ that often though, some crazy troll anon(s?) there had an extreme hateboner for the game and we ended up kicked to a containment thread kek.
No. 1980100
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what is the appeal of this?
No. 1980178
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(bait)
No. 1980227
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>>1980178fixed. fujos hate 3d moids
No. 1980294
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>>1980227Had to fix yours
No. 1980337
>>1980295you really misinterpreted what i said. i don't think periods are inherently degrading. i don't even think they're painful for some people. but a lot of women experience pain on periods, and pain is something no one wants to have
>If you create a scenario where a man can get pregnant, then they aren't men.yes, well, the whole point of my post was women wishing that men could feel the pain women feel
for being female hence being penetrated in their yaoihole, period cramps, mpreg, omegaverse. i don't agree with using that pain as 'revenge' though, i'm not a fujo and have never been into female-ifying male characters, but it's a common enough phenomenon, as
>>1980100 shows
No. 1981285
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>>1969912I know I’m being unnecessarily petty by replying to this a week later but… picrel
No. 1982404
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>>1980100Pathetic yaoi man in pain is cute.
No. 1982541
>>1980286>>1980100Come on this is the same train of thought that leads straight fujos to detest het ships/stories even if they have the same dynamics as their fav bl
Any excuse to justify infantalising women and disassociating from your own experiences as a woman
>>1982404 No. 1982574
>>1982547kek seriously, anons complain about fujos liking le
abusive rape porn!!!! and then go post about how they want to be choked and forcibly bred by their husbando in the hornyposting thread. the only problem they have is that they can't self insert into m/m and that's why they call fujos misogynists, simply for not creating content for them personally.
No. 1983004
>>1982695are you seriously taking this
>>1982404 seriously? it's clearly meant to be joke
No. 1987139
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Why not just create a genderbent at this point instead of doing whatever this is?
No. 1987144
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>>1987139i dont know why you keep posting stuff from yumes instead of fujos. But thank you for introducing me to this autist, she's hilarious. I love her yassified redraws of wolfwood
No. 1987334
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Men with pecs doesn't really make them women, some gay men have always been into the "big pecs and ass" muscle type way back in the 50s before twitter porn, pic related.
No. 1988692
>>1988682You know what
It doesn't even matter what kind of het ship it is. Most of the users here view het ships and stories as nothing short of humiliation. It's that fucking "all straight sex is rape" radfem analysis isn't it.
I hope you all mentally heal this is so exhausting and boring. Fans and fujoshis on other platforms are less mentally deranged than users here because they're not very self aware.
No. 1988828
>>1988817Lol coping fujo, as if the ukes in your stories are not tifs who look and get treated like women.
Het is bad, but the seme and secondary characters perpetuating misogyny on the tif-looking uke is sooo much better.
You are so woke and feminist anon. Totally not fake or hypocritical and in no way justifying your gay porn addiction.
No. 1988834
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>>1988828>ukes are TIFsRemember anons, if you are attracted to this, you are a lesbian
No. 1988840
>>1988834>using picrel as a exampleI laughed ngl
>>1988830Oh
nonnie bless your retarded soul. You obviously are reading that since you read BL
No. 1988853
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I want a poll to know how many LC fujos think that reading yaoi is a sign of homosexuality and how many think it's not
No. 1988858
>>1988828Weird, I've never met a TIF with a dick and balls. But also,
>justifying your gay porn addiction.So is BL het or gay? You can't have it both ways.
No. 1988862
>>1988858Ah yes their uber small micropenises how could i not forget.
>>1988853Most fujos here pretend to be totallly against troons or gay-men so they can fit in with the others in this site. But outside of this site the majority of fujos are supportive of gay-men, troons and many fujos do fall into some troon category whether its identifying and a any-pronoun or they/them enby to being a actual tif.
I think that should answer your question.
No. 1988871
>>1988867Yes and they don't. The people pushing for that shit were literally fujos who claimed to be lesbians. Weird of you to blame fujo autism on us.
The consensus has always been that it's repackaged het without the actual woman but instead a self insert pseudo-woman.
No. 1988891
>>1988888Wasn't that because antifujos kept asking for enemas and realistic sex and saying that it not being shown means tifs or some shit?
Then censored examples were shown that it is a thing and the whole argument to begin with was retarded.
No. 1988901
>>1988897i don't (really) agree that it's "vaginal" but usually it's just to clown on fujos who romanticize anal sex, not like wanting the grosser alternative, more like wanting all of it to disappear lmao
>>1988900surely you're not talking about people thinking anal sex is gross because it is i'm sorry
No. 1989006
>>1989005>sodomitestf is this language, are you a 1650s puritan or what
>So you fantasize about sodomites but pretend they're not like irl sodomites. it's a fantasy. it's fiction. if people can make shit up about talking animals or space battles they can make shit up about unrealistic gay sex. m/f content is full of idealised moids and unrealistic sex as well.
>if someone made a pedophilia story minus sex that would still be exploitative and gross.retarded comparison. paedophilia always equals rape. gay sex doesn't. you just have a problem with homosexuality
No. 1989011
>>1989005You seem to willingly ignore the fact that I mentioned het sex acts too. If I read a story (and here I'm using a made up example just so you know) of a female character having a ONS with a male character without any kind of protection or sparing even a second thinking about the possibility of catching an STI from them, then according to your logic I encourage woman to have unsafe sex in RL? That's so dumb.
And just the fact that you not only use the term sodomite but also in the same breath as pedophilia tells me everything I need to know about you. No one here is defending pedophilia, but fake gay anal sex only becomes a problem when you start thinking it works like that in RL. Which, even in the times of tifs taking over fandom, hardly anyone actually believes.
No. 1990189
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I know it doesn't happen as much with lcf fujos and older fujos for that matter but the "female in the way of the gay ship" thing is tiring. I see it a lot with gendies and gay "men" TIFs more though, and they have a variety of excuses too that don't always hold up too. I don't know the point of this post, but I hope to write good female characters someday. If anything to make the problem of badly written female characters a little better, maybe then m/f will start to become more interesting to others and me as well. Yeah, there will always be fags and insecure tards who will hate a female character for that reason but if the majority of the cases can be avoided, I think it's worth it.