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No. 1978406

Previous >>1972829

Thread to discuss the phenomenon of "fujoshi", the women that identify as such and the women who criticise it.

To a latter extent, discuss also the phenomenon of "yumejoshi" and "himejoshi", especially when it comes to the yume vs. fujo feud.

Discuss the history of fujoshism, speculate on its reasons, argue your opinion on it and exchange intelligent views with other farmers.

Topics include:
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society?
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?

New questions:
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
>Do you think there is a problem
when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?

Be respectful and do not infight. Honest discussion only.

No. 1978411

should have choosen another thread OP, now they are going to cry about it

No. 1978414

>>1978385
Voice works also don't count apparently, even though those are pretty damn fucking good and there's a lot of them
No reason given at all though
>>1978383
There's fujos who self-insert and not every non-fujo is a "hetfag" (AKA likes low quality TL manga), keep coping
With how obsessed you are with denying that fujos ever self-insert, I bet you actually do it yourself from time to time and are too ashamed to admit it kek
Get it through your thick skull: stating simple facts about fujos is not criticizing them

No. 1978416

>>1978414
>Voice works also don't count apparently
we were talking about manga…

No. 1978418

>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
I'm a yume who's friends with many a fujo. We're also just having fun chatting about things and not fighting on an online snark imageboard though.

No. 1978423

Where did the ''fujos self-insert as the uke'' rumor come from? It's weird. If it was so common you would expect fujos to have a ''literally me'' uke by now, but i have never heard of a fujo self inserting in yaoi. Ukes also tend to have pretty strong personalities and backstories in comparison to the boring female characters in most shojo romance manga or otomes.

No. 1978426

>>1978423
I'm just going to straight up ignore that last part for now, but there's a rather infamous comic of someone calling themselves a literal uke after realizing she's a TIF. Not saying I agree with comment, but it does happen.

No. 1978427

I suggest that anyone feeling the urge to reply too quickly to another post without properly reading it, should watch this first.

No. 1978428

>>1978426
that's called schizophrenia

No. 1978435

>>1978426
There are tifs who believe they are animals recarnated after they troon out aka Kinners, if you've forgotten tifs are extremely mentally ill and none of their opinions should be take as fact and especially not as a generalisation of a whole subculture. You're better off asking a retarded parrot what's its opinion on yaoi is

No. 1978436

>>1978435
>>1978428
I straight up said I don't agree with the comment. All I added was yes, it does happen, even if it isn't common.

No. 1978440

>>1978436
thats not self inserting though. Its like those moids who call themselves catgirls. I honestly doubt most of those tifs even read yaoi, they most than likely read cuntboy shit.

No. 1978449

>>1978436
Some nonnies really should read full posts before replying,I didn't disagree that it doesn't happen it does I only said its done by extreme mentally ill women which most tifs are

No. 1978451

>>1978449
I did read, and I was defending you acting like I made a generalization, but go off.

No. 1978454

>>1978440
>cuntboy
I hate that shit so fucking much you can't imagine, how the fuck did it even start in yaoi? I never saw this shit until recently(although thankfully it's small) is it because gendie shit is everywhere?

No. 1978456

>>1978454
yeah it's collateral damage from tranny shit and it also wouldnt surprise me if its a sad cope from women who want straight content that doesn't have oversexualized female characters with water balloon tits

No. 1978458

>>1978440
Speaking of cuntboy, is this a term anyone uses to refer to real life people? I'm friends with some gendie friendly fujos and recently made the mistake of being nostalgic over making fun of "bussy" "boypussy" etc in the text of cursed naked butler game in front of them. They "educated" me that I shouldn't mix up the terms unless I want to seem dumb, apparently bussy=asshole and boy pussy is "pussy on a boy". Do people seriously use these terms or were they virtue signaling to the fujo TIFs in the chat??

No. 1978463

>>1978458
I hope not cuntboy sounds so fucking vulgar and gross it feels like a slur a moid would use for a faggot. But I suppose so because I've seen tifs saying they're "femboys" now i hope to god this gendie shit ends soon so we cant see this cancer anymore also nonnie bussy and boy pussy (ew) are the same thing

No. 1978466

>>1978423
it's obvious many western fujos or mlm shippers insert as the "uke", whereas with asian fujos it's not the case and they may tend towards identifying more with the seme (not necessarily self-inserting).

No. 1978470

>>1978466
I played this JP BL game sometime back, and when I searched for reviews from JP fujos I found one with a rant like "I love this game because mc is a proper MAN! I don't like those hyperfeminine ukes, as a fujoshi I want to see a MAN bottom(uke)ing !" kek I still think about it, her ranting style was very cute

No. 1978471

>>1978466
Is that even true? There's plenty of yaoi material where the uke is just a girl but male. Or the guy does clearly masculine things and doms while the uke is still clearly male but receiving it in a less masculine way. I'm talking about old school yaoi too

No. 1978474

>>1978471
>There's plenty of yaoi material where the uke is just a girl but male
not this again

No. 1978475

>>1978470
>"I love this game because mc is a proper MAN! I don't like those hyperfeminine ukes, as a fujoshi I want to see a MAN bottom(uke)ing !"
Finally someone said it kek

No. 1978478

>>1978470
which game

No. 1978480

Let me answer the questions in OP, because everyone here really really wants to know my thoughts on yaoi.

>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?

100% vouyeristic. It's not even just the sex, but the romanticism is also vouyeristic. It's about the escapism for me.
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
I've been a fujo since the late 90s and I have to say I've never even seen this. Maybe it's bc I'm not american and only learned english much later, but the fandoms I participated in, in my language, were very pro LGBT irl.
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Possibly. I'm a heterosexual man hater, so the aspect of by-women-for-women helps me read about men in romantic and sexual situations knowing that not only are they not real moids, but also they're female fantasies. That makes them non-threatening and it means that they belong to women.
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
Dislike. I'm into fujoshit for the romance as well as the sex, and omegaverse "romance" really isn't at all. They're not falling in love with each other, they're being commanded by hormones, so there's no need for them to even get to know each other. My dick got hard because of your smell, so we're in love now I guess. Same for het omegaverse. Also the concept of mpreg is nasty to me.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
I particularly don't watch porn or read hentai, and I consume very little pornographic yaoi and fanfic. This assumption is misogynistic. You're baasically saying that any degree of sexuality in a woman is an addiction, taking away our right to have a libido.
>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society?
Girl idk.
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
Why not? Why do we have to fight? Fujos who hate yumes and yumes who hate fujos, please explain it to me.

No. 1978498

>>1978471
>the uke is just a girl but male
so… not a girl
get a grip. a dong is a dong

No. 1978516

>>1978478
Paradise

No. 1978525

>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi?
No.

>If not, what are they?

Tasteless retards that drank the gendie koolaid, most likely self-insertfags who want to have the likes and RTs for having two "men" in their art/writing but not really.

No. 1978556

>>1978516
damn, my EOP ass excited to play it soon. Aduma's moans are famous af

No. 1978629

>>1978480
I'm this bitch, answering the other quetsions that I didnt see bc im retarded.

>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?

Why not?
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Do they? I don't have many male friends and I don't talk about porn with the ones I do have. I imagine they talk about and share porn and hentai. Just seems like the male thing to do.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
They're absolutely not fujoshi. They're women whose brains have been rotted by genderism. I'll go as far as to say that it's all a performance for them. They don't have an inner world anymore, they're completely consumed by the persona they want to project, so much so that they can't differentiate the creature they created in order to be accepted by other gendies on socmed from their real selves. Gendies do not exist unless they're perceived. So, girls who write and who jerk off to FTM porn are simply doing so bc it's the "right side of history" thing to do. It's sad, they have lost the capacity to feel and think for themselves.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
Because women are not supposed to sexualize men. We are allowed to sexualize each other and ourselves. That's why porn for women still focuses on the woman being penetrated, the noises she makes, her expressions, etc., and why women who consume content that sexualizes men, are considered degenerates. We are encouraged to sexualize and objectify ourselves and our peers. The act of being objectified and sexualized is seen as being part of womanhood, because that's what our existance is to society: sex.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
I don't think female sexualization is inherently bad, so no, I don't think there's an inherent problem there. Instances of sexualization can be problematic, though.

No. 1978658

>>1978458
No one uses these terms seriously unless it's in a sexual context. Even TIFs colonized the term boypussy because it used to be primarily used by gay men to refer to male asshole kek. Your friends are retarded for trying to "educate" you on those terms

No. 1978670

>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Not likely. They're just straight women who say 2D is better than 3DPD like hentai obsessed moids do
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Women in fandoms are more social than men for some reason.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
No, and they're dangerously close to falling for the fujo to tif pipeline. Enjoying a vagina on a man is the same thinking as trans people no matter how you spin it
>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
It doesn't, it's just a fault of society and how women see themselves in it. Women like to draw the female protagonist as attractive, or they may seem weak and meager because they want to see a shy and timid girl get the boy in life for once. It's projection, wishing they were a stacy, which I understand, but an attractive female protagonist does not mean that it caters to men.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Somewhat, but I don't care. I like that the men are hot and cater to women. I just wish there wasn't so much sexual assault or rape. I think that's a problem in a lot of yaoi as well though. I don't know why women have this kink so much

No. 1978716

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>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
eh the more i think of it I doubt it. you dont see fully gay men into yuri in the same fashion so called lesbians enjoy yaoi. I've seen gay men that maybe enjoyed the relationship between two girls but it was mainly in a platonic fashion and it didnt go any further than that. "lesbians" that are into yaoi for some reason think of male characters in a sexual manner more often than actual het/bi fujos would kek
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
idk what corners of the internet youre on but every anime/hobby im interested in have moids that are extremely loud about the porn of the characters they consume etc. Its pretty much an expectation. if anything fujos seem to be the ones in there own corners
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
yeah as much as men that enjoy yuri pairings with futa in it are still yurifags at the end of the day. its just a fetish added onto another fetish, just for some reason fujos will cope by saying its representation instead of just being real and saying they like drawing men with vaginas and chest scars because they find it hot.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
because men are the ones obsessing over and buying the products. most women are busy living their lives and otaku women that have the money to splurge on their hobbies are rare to come by
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
no

No. 1978720

>eh the more i think of it I doubt it. you dont see fully gay men into yuri in the same fashion so called lesbians enjoy yaoi.

Male sexuality is extremely shallow and simple, though.

No. 1978723

>>1978720
I feel like saying female sexuality is a lot more complex than male sexuality is how we got to the issue of obviously bisexual/het women identifying as lesbians.

No. 1978724

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No. 1978727

>>1978720
>THIS IS MY NEW COPE

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>>1978727
I come share my enlightened knowledge and this is how you treat me

No. 1978742

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>>1978002
Do fujos ever realize how disgusting and misogynistic they are with omegaverse/mpreg, no amount of cope that it is a apparently 'niche' will dissuade me from this absolute hatred I feel when I see this mocking or comparing actual human pregnancy to their porn addict fetish.

No. 1978744

>>1978742
Ew, don't lump me with these people

No. 1978747

>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
I don't think it actually does.

Now, hear me out, and I can't speak for everything so take this with a grain of salt. I think that, while historically men did have control over what 'content for women' was, over time that has become less so, especially when it comes to self-published content online. Their influence has effected what appears in said content, but it doesn't actually cater to them. There's a whole lot of 'bad code' in the dna of the romance genre, for example, that causes a bunch of seemingly outdated ideas to continuously reappear, and if you shift over to the smut side these tropes only become more obvious and exaggerated as they've also solidified into common enough kinks/fetishes as each generation of writers and readers passes them on to the next and alters them in a game of literary telephone.

This happens even faster with online media, as it has little to no publication requirements. You also see similar things within yaoi/slash as those communities go through trends or bottleneck into niche communities. It's also been discussed previously that, due to it being more prolific/seen as the default, the visual language, tropes and quirks of porn for men end up showing in media meant for women, which can make it confusing at a glance who the work is really for. Hopefully over time this will fall out of vogue as female-oriented smut gains a firmer grasp on its own visual language and shorthands. Sperg over kek

No. 1978758

>>1978720
Honestly anon, this is kind of retarded

No. 1978765

>>1978132
>>1978135
>>1978139
>>1978141
>>1978148
I woke up late to this fight so nta from earlier but are you guys Americans? Those boobs are huge wtf. What kind of world do anons live in where that's "normal"?

No. 1978767

>>1978758
You may disagree that it applies to this case, but you can't deny that they are shallow. Men jerk off to body parts, sexual acts themselves, and appearances. That's why erotica isn't popular amongst them, but are among women. Because they're easily satisfied by visuals and don't care about context. Women need more than just two people fucking on screen. We look for context, certain behaviors, whole situations. A single porn video will make thousands of men coom, but we need more.

No. 1978783

>>1978215
Every time anons say this the boyfriend turns out to be hideous kek. Men haven't put effort into their appearance since the 90's

No. 1978796

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>multiple tifs openly admitting they transitioned cause of yaoi

No. 1978801

>>1978796
Did you teally expect other answers on twitter?

No. 1978804

>>1978796
>groomed by yaoi
what?

No. 1978813

>>1978804
She’s right.

No. 1978833

>>1978796
they've been admitting this for years now nothing new

No. 1978836

>>1978796
you're retarded and those tifs are obviously just trying to be funny (not saying they are) but the second reply is from a shotafag who works with kids which should be more concerning

No. 1978856

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>this retarded thread made it to 3 threads alone

you fuckheads can’t be bothered to have a normal conversation anymore. no more good morning, no more good afternoon, just the same dumb shit bringing fujos to /ot/ so they can ruin the board with their sperging. why can’t the mods just lock this already?

No. 1978864

>>1978796
lost ass generation lol

No. 1978885

>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?
I don't think being a fujo necessarily causes one to troon out, but it's how gender ideology pairs so well with romanticizing being a man and having a same-sex relationship where the dynamics are (supposedly) more equal. Back then, most fujos were aware they were just women who enjoyed seeing BL and had no problem admitting that, but as gender ideology seeped into fandom spaces and proposed the idea that you can, in fact, be a gay man even if you weren't born as one, a lot of them started calling themselves men. Social contagion played a role in exacerbating this.
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
I don't think fujoshi self-insert, but they definitely lean toward empathizing with one of the characters better. I think it's more obvious if you read any smut fic and notice the way the POV is written. It's usually written from the bottom's POV, and if it's written from the top's POV, it feels strangely focused on the bottom's pleasure and reactions rather than the top's. Of course this is all anecdotal and depends on your fandom/ship.
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
Back then I didn't understand how you can enjoy BL but not support gay men irl, but I can see why now. 2D men are drawn in a style that is aesthetically pleasing, plus they don't have many of the negative traits that real life men have. I think the same argument can apply to yumes liking fictional husbandos, but not wanting to date men irl.
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Most fujoshi just enjoy BL because they like seeing attractive men, and like to see romance on top of that. I never saw the misogyny argument being brought up until fujos were called "gay men fetishizers". I do think some fujos are more critical toward female characters than male characters though. There are times when the male characters genuinely are written better and have more screentime; you'll mostly see this in shounen (because they're male characters written by men), but there are also times when a female character and male character are equally poorly written, but the female character gets shit on way more by fandom. And by shit on, I don't mean that fujos just ignore her, but will go out of their way to write rants on why she's terribly written and such a bad love interest for their favorite male character compared to the male best friend who they ship him with.
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
It started out as some weird trope where you apply animal dynamics to smut, and has become synonymous with TIF/intersex/PIV sex because of the mpreg aspect. I rarely see this trope written well. The characters are turned OOC to force them to fit into the mold of a dom alpha x sub omega. It feels like I'm reading heterosexual dynamics/BDSM in disguise whenever I give an omegaverse fic a try. Not to mention how the omegas are often feminized and called "wife" or "princess"… I can definitely see why people think this trope is steeped in misogyny.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
No, it comes down to the individual. There are fujos who just want to see their favorite boys in fluffy scenarios, and there are fujos who can only talk about gay sex and have to make everything sexual. Likewise, there are yumes who just want to see and make cute content of their husbando, and there are yumes who have to hornypost 24/7 about their husbando's dick.
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
Yes. Maybe you won't actively engage in each other's content, but you can still support each other.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
I'll be honest, I have yet to encounter a lesbian fujoshi OR yumejo in my fandom spaces that didn't come across as bi or straight. Many of the lesbian fujoshi I see will actively consume and create M/M smut and talk about dicks, and yes they have admitted to masturbating to it and not just reading/writing for the feels. They rarely talk about female characters/yuri, and if they do, it feels very performative. They think genderbending their favorite yaoi ship in fanart counts as enjoying yuri, but you will never see them talking about canonical female characters or F/F smut. The lesbian yumejo I know is even more blatant in her obvious attraction to men because all she does is write straight sex of herself with her husbando and talks about his dick. I have met one lesbian who does read BL occasionally, but it's only for fun and she doesn't get off to it. She actually reads yuri way more. I don't doubt that lesbians can enjoy BL, I just don't think they're the same as the "lesbian" fujos who are constantly talking about their favorite male characters.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
They are fujoshi who have memed themselves into liking cuntboy fetish/enjoy heterosexual dynamics but feel safer projecting it onto two male characters. There are lots of old-school fujos who have trooned out with the rise of gender ideology, but that doesn't discredit the fact that they were (and still are) fujos. And there have always been fujos who like heterosexual dynamics in M/M ships, and now you see it coming to an extreme with TIFs. You can say that the small, submissive uke x big, aggressive seme trope is no longer popular, but the characterizations are still there. The bottom is more likely to be cared for, protected, and comforted by the top. Most fujos TIFs are straight so they project their heterosexuality onto gay characters.

No. 1978905

>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?
Misogyny and autism plays a way bigger role
>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?
Fujos tend to get attached to ukes more than to semes, sometimes their behaviour reminds me of shoujofags who worship the heroine more. But I don't think it's self-insertion, rather they either see them as a husbando OR they see them as a comfort character or their son. There are some fujo ships where people could argue that self-insertion does actually happen though, like 14 yrs ago sebaciel fujos were definetly self-inserting as ciel. The hotter the seme is, the more you can expect this to happen. But I think usually it's a form of voyeurism or wanting to see their husbando getting pounded cause as I said, ukes are more appealing to fujos. Semes are probably more appealing to yumejoshi
>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"?
It's dumb
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
Escaping misogyny to some extent, but at the end of the day it's just a hobby like many other
>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed?
Gross and retarded and lowkey misogynistic, and I've always hated mpreg and butt babies
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
Maybe some are, but I'm not
>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society?
BL tends to thrive in conservative societies, like it's banned in china and this is not stopping any chinese fujos
>Can yumes and fujos be friends?
It's super easy if the fujo ships A x B and the yume husbando is an unrelated character like C but if the yume husbando A or B they need to learn to tolerate each other and that might be a bit difficult if the yume is totally against any gay ship
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Yes
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Simple, women prefer communities and fandoms and some of them seek validation from their female peers
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
Ugh I hate this but technically if they still enjoy the ship in their original form and are not strictly into chopped tits, they are fujoshi. A weird brand of TiF-leaning fujoshi. If they're strictly into chopped tits they're just yume aidens
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
Brainwashed to the moid gaze from a young age, it's a systemic problem
>Do you think there is a problem
when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Kek yes

No. 1978912

>>1978765
Ngl with all the josei smut posted last thread, I'm not sure why moid vanilla waifubait is hated when it's basically the same thing.

No. 1978941

>>1978427
This should really be reposted regularly

No. 1978946

This whole fujo thing should be properly studied. You have to admit it's really strange to go
>nuh I don't want to see m/f relationships but if it's the same coomershit but with m/m I'll vibe with that.
I'll also say that in fujo circles no one says the "It's ok because they're men" logic that gets brought up here. Fujoshis just ramble say it's progressive/hotter/spicy

No. 1978947

>>1978765 But the thing is what was the logic of there being a panel next to it showing her body? It would have been way more coherent to display her face
in the panel, capturing her expression in the heat of moment lmao

No. 1978948

>>1978946
>You have to admit it's really strange to go
>nuh I don't want to see m/f relationships but if it's the same coomershit but with m/m I'll vibe with that.
No, I don't think it's strange to have different reactions to bad things happening to a woman versus bad things happening to a man.
The reason why it's doesn't get brought up in fujo circles is because that should be plainly obvious.
Do you think men jerking to ryona go "I love seeing women getting beaten up but if this was a man, I would not be happy about it."

No. 1978950

>>1978946
>Fujoshis just ramble say it's progressive/hotter/spicy
The fujos here say the same thing wdym

No. 1978960

>>1978836
Genuinely, how are they retarded for that post?

No. 1979011

I'm antifujo because I get jealous and insecure when I feel like "lesbian" women are attracted to men in any form. If my girlfriend was a fujo, I'd be wondering what I was lacking in the relationship.

No. 1979058

>>1979011
If I had a fujo girlfriend I'd cherish her.

No. 1979101

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fujos are based to me only because its one of the few spaces on the internet where AGP's dont gather. I'd rather deal with a confused TIP than a TIM any day of the week.

No. 1979106

>>1979101
>TIP
TIF

No. 1979122

>>1978765
They don't leave their room, clearly.

No. 1979125

>>1978946
is it weird to you that men jack off to lesbians?

No. 1979142

>>1978946
women that are attracted to men like seeing them fuck like men that are attracted to women enjoy seeing the same. its not complicated

No. 1979160

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>>1978406
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
I have no idea. I don't mind big titty female MCs but I mind when the male MCs in them aren't nearly as porny and when all the focus is on the woman.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
Yes. Too much fucking focus on the woman. The peak hetero sexy art is when those women who ship Bulma and Vegeta draw them getting nasty because there's an actual heterosexual fun dynamic on display where there is focus on both characters but mostly on the man, because, you know, it's made by a heterosexual woman. I kind of envy fangirls of this ship because they get the real good content. Hetero drawn this way is as good as yaoi drawn with intense autistic love for a ship. (pic not lewd but partially related to what I'm saying)

No. 1979161

I think fujoism is goofy because I can picture two attractive men in my mind passionately kissing and taking off each other's clothes and it makes me laugh because it's so fucking faggy and gay and my attraction just totally dies kek.

No. 1979166

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Seeing how most people in this thread seem to agree that lesbian fujos are not actually lesbians, what do you think is the cause of this behavior? Lack of self-awareness/extreme autism? IRL man hating? Wanting to be cool with the homos? Internalized biphobia? All of above?

No. 1979169

>>1979161
You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to picture an attractive man raping your faggy scrote self-insert. Do this and report back.

No. 1979170

>>1979166
I think the cause is that it's a social contagion, just like transgenderism. They see other "lesbians" say they're into BL and go cool, me too! When in reality, these women are mostly bisexual and/or even straight. I've seen so many "lesbian fujos" troon out it's not even funny. Almost every single one I knew in high school became some kind of frogvoiced nonbinary or straight up bearded TIF. That's proof enough to me that it's social contagion and wanting to be LGBT for woke points. Being LGBT/troons is also the nerdy/weird girl 2010s/2020s version of being alt/emo, and we all know the girls who claimed they were "lesbians" in that era were mostly bi or just straight as well.

No. 1979176

>>1979161
you might be a lesbian

No. 1979181

>>1979170
ok but tifs/enbies who only date each other and roleplay yaoi are still lesbians

No. 1979188

>>1979181
The thing is that none of them that I knew remained "lesbian" post-troonout. After they stopped being "cis" and started considering themselves nonbinary or gay trans men, they were the types to always talk about how much of a faggot they are and lust after irl gay men. They couldn't get gay guys though due to them being female, and the closest they could get was obviously bi/straight guys who validated their larp for pussy. Seeing them try to convince their straight boyfriends they were "technically queer" though was a laugh, lmao.

No. 1979191

>>1979160
vegebul is a good ass ship and one my top 5 of hetships. thankfully seems like the het pairings I care about have a decent fanbase that isnt filled with moids projecting too much on the mail or overly righteous women trying to turn it into a political statement.

No. 1979192

>>1979160
vegeta is ugly and i hate dbz but i see cutesy domestic hetship art like this in almost every fandom lol

No. 1979194

>>1979181
They say it's akin to how AGPs larp yuri together despite being heterosexual, but I really do think AGPs who are exclusively attracted to other AGPs are repressed faggots in the same way TIFs who only ever want to date and have sex with other TIFs are repressed lesbians. Call me old fashioned but being exclusively attracted to your own sex is pretty gay, I don't care what kind of mental gymnastics it took to get there.

No. 1979195

>>1979181
I think this "but they only date women hence they are lesbians" argument is dumb. Are febfems lesbians too? Obviously not. What determines sexual orientation is sexual attraction. A bisexual female can date women her whole life and she still would be a bisexual because she's sexually attracted to males as well even if she doesn't act on it IRL.
>tifs/enbies who only date each other and roleplay yaoi
I find it funny that usually those TIFs that you mention will exclusively fuck men once they get on T (possibly the raise in libido makes them realize that they're not sexually attracted to women or not nearly as much as they thought).

No. 1979197

>>1979170
i miss the hipsters of the early 2010's where the biggest concern about them was the music/indie merchandise snobbery and the obsession with mustaches/flannel. i'd much rather have them back than whatever the fuck happened to fandoms and people

No. 1979202

>>1979194
I have yet to find a fujo TIF that is actually a lesbian, though. Also many TIFs of this type have sexual trauma and cope by exclusively dating females. Plus the ones that don't have trauma definitely have some sort of jailhouse gay complex. Anyway, all of these date men after transition. Some are bisexual and keep dating women, but I've never witnessed one that kept to women exclusively.

No. 1979217

>>1979202
i wish i had screencaps on hand, but i've seen several posts from formerly lesbian-identified tifs/enbies saying that they "became attracted to men" after starting T. my understanding is that they had extremely low libidos, so they were able to ignore/rationalize away their attraction to men until they started taking steroids, thus the trend that you mentioned. point being, it's not unreasonable to imagine that a straight woman could end up in a totally sexless tif4tif relationship (especially via e-dating, which is not uncommon). it's possible and probably pretty normal for them to "roleplay yaoi" without actually being attracted to each other.

No. 1979227

>>1979195
I think this is really it. They think lesbian is a woman who exclusively dates women, not a woman who is exclusively attracted to women. They don't find irl moids attractive or don't want to date the moids around them so they decide they're a lesbian, either because they're bisexual and exclusively date women or think being a lesbian is more special in online fandom or fits better with their online misandrist persona. Once they're too absorbed in their lesbian online identity, they can't admit they just prefer to slick it to two moids fucking and don't care about women so they have to come up with layers of cope that it's comphet, they imagine them as women, and all female characters/GL suck when they don't even try to find anything good.

No. 1979254

>>1979217
I know 2 married "asexual" fujos and one of them trooned out, I strongly suspect the two of them are of this fake lesbian variety. One of them creates weird autistic memes all day while the other can't shut up about how cute and husband material her 2D fav is. I suspect internalized homophobia too cuz I asked the latter if she was lesbian (before the former showed any signs of troon) and she acted so utterly disgusted (tried to hide it though) and spouted some bs about queer alphabet. Up to this day they sound like very affectionate roommates

No. 1979262

>>1979254
This is just sad, specially because if any of them ever has a raise in libido will just leave the other for a scrote. But I guess if none of them are sexually attracted to the other then it's just friendship with extra steps so whatever.

No. 1979346

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This is how it is.

No. 1979347

>>1979346
based and true

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No. 1979355

>>1978720
>gay men into yuri
they definitely exist, you just don't hear from them often since they don't engage in fandom as much

No. 1979356

>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
I don't think it's trying to cater to men. Sadly, women's sexuality centers around being desired by men and pleasuring men. It's why 99% of TL/josei smut manga has big titty main characters that have more focus on the cover than the male character. The fantasy isnt ''seeing a hot man pleasuring the woman'' but rather ''being a sexy uguu perfect waifu kya desu who looks good for a man''. It's why women who are only into het content will never be able to understand fujos, because fujos are only interested in seeing hot men moan and be sexy, not into the self insertion fantasy.

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>>1979346
This is it, girls. It's been solved. We can all go home now

No. 1979367

"Anti fujos are defending pedos!1!1!"
As if fujos arent the #1 group on this site that shills shotas nonstop. Nice cope op, you fujoshits are such retarded losers.

No. 1979378

>>1979367
fujos havent posted cp, unlike pakitard

No. 1979395

>>1979391
I think most women into shota just like the idea of being in control for once, or just like cute male characters. I used to have shotafag friends from my edgy days and once i introduced them to media with softer male characters they completly stopped liking shota. I think the vast majority just like cute male characters, and since those type of characters are borderline non-existent they end up becoming shotafags as a result.

No. 1979396

>>1979367
My personal experience with fujos with creepy shota obsession has been limited (I'm into the fandom of multiple popular BLs and know a lot of fujos, it's not the norm) but it made me wonder a few things. I made the mistake of joining a server on groomcord that where the users made liking edgy shit in fiction their whole personality. I naively took their claims about being open minded at face value (tbf I have friends there who indeed were not crazy and overall chill, but the people they invited because of common fandoms were not), but soon found out that this meant they would sperg about liking shotas in thr regular chat channel (with obligatory "I love you guys for being open minded and not hating me" self-victimization) and shitting up the art channels with unspoilered art of 9-12 year old looking shotas getting anally fucked by tentacles and the like. I was THIS close to leaving the server, but then I randomly mentioned a cute slice of life that touched me and her demeanor took a 180 degree turn? She suddenly seemed like a totally innocent young girl who longs for cute shoujo romance and shit and I was so surprised by the change that I didn't block her. Over time I noticed that majority of the worst degens in that server followed a similar pattern. They seemed to be very emotional and fragile with histories of family abuse and mental illness, they would lose their mind over cute fluffy shit and weep seriously and loudly over a character's death when I would just be mildly peeved. I wonder if they are stuck mentally to a younger age and that combined with online grooming contributes to their shota obsession somehow.

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>>1978406
anti fujos still spouting the same old arguments that have been already dismantled…can this thread die already its just the same old slapfight again and again or atleast autosaged

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>>1979367
Ah shit here we go again

No. 1979421

>>1979396
so shotas are mentally ill and most likely have been groomed? got it.

No. 1979423

>>1979421
shotacons* and not shotas kek

No. 1979425

>>1979409
They are legit schizophrenic. They have been reeeing on /meta/ over a word they made up that wasn't used once on these threads KEK

No. 1979431

>>1979346
You're completely right.

No. 1979442

>>1979409
Eventually the baiters will get tired and this thread will have a peaceful death. This website has less than 2k users.

No. 1979444

>>1979262
Probably will do the usual cope by saying something like "we weren't a good fit romantically but we're still good friends!" while completely ignoring the fact that they could never be interested in each other as straight women kek. I honestly like the non gendie one as a friend but sometimes the asshole side of me wishes she would meet a nigel with similar vibes as her 2D husbando so I can watch the disaster unravel

No. 1979446

>>1979444
>she would meet a nigel with similar vibes as her 2D husbando so I can watch the disaster unravel
whats her husbando? unless its one of those old, ugly scumbags i doubt she's ever going to find a 3DPD like him

No. 1979448

>>1979442
I've promised myself to ignore all the retards throwing slurs at each other and only respond to the ones that seem to seek honest discussion. Let's report infighting early so it can't progress to 100+ posts.

No. 1979452

>>1979446
Being vague because I'm paranoid, but basically a character that's a perfect green flag, the devoted forever will marry you if you just say it and take care of the house while you work type. Also has a big dick
So yeah never getting a 3dpd like that ever lmao

No. 1979454

>>1979452
>So yeah never getting a 3dpd like that ever lmao
sometimes i think about going prison gay too, being straight is honestly painful. I dont blame your tard tif friend.

No. 1979485

>>1979355
Actually almost all men hardcore into yuri are gay and most trooned out to live their "dyke" larp with other feminine gay men. Usually straight moids prefer het which makes sense since it's catered to them.

No. 1979492

>>1979485
>lesbians like yaoi
>gay men like yuri
I think it's because there's a lack of butch yuri/feminine gay yaoi/bara/whatever (not bishie/female gaze feminine, but something representative of actual feminine gay men) The problem is, most gay men (especially Japanese) want to compensate for their gayness and project an image of hypermasculinity to protect themselves from scrutiny, but with that the feminine gays get erased in bara. Yaoi is a female gaze genre, so of course women don't want to see two actual feminine gay scrotes go at it, as most women (who haven't been brainwashed by Rupaul's drag race) are disgusted by actual feminine gay men that aren't their fictional one-time-gay pretty bishies who are masculine in every other respect. As for the lack of butch yuri, I think it's because men took over the genre so hard, and lots are feminine gay men trying to force yuri to be what they couldn't get in bara.

No. 1979528

>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
I know several. They exist, they undoubtedly exist. It didn't make sense at first but after lurking a few fujo threads and sites on the topic, it really started to click and made me feel better for liking yuri despite being a straight woman. Lesbians are so use to seeing other perspectives due to a lack of their own that yaoi just came naturally to them.
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?
Fujos are women and therefore more inclined to social activities and sharing than men. Men are so afraid of gayness that any interactions with other men beyond apefights and bitch slaps is considered gay pussy shit. I'm dead serious about that one. Knew a few guys who unironically didn't care if most of his friend group dies, cuz fuck them am I right? meanwhile women would fight and tooth and nail if it meant helping each other when times were rough.
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they?
They're fujos with extra steps in my opinion. What it boils down to is the uke is often seen as woman so naturally the tif takes the uke and does so but keeps the seme intact for whatever reason. It's why you rarely see a cis uke and trans seme because the tif is projecting projecting herself to the uke, thus making them more like them.
>Why do you think so many supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
As long as men have a say in works besides more niche mediums, straight romance will always be marred by pozzed character development, sexist tropes, and ass backwards premises that wouldn't be out of place in a braindead fanfiction. You could have swore a 13 year old boy wrote some of them until you realized the huge pickme problem in booktok lately.
>Do you think there is a problem when it comes to female sexualization when it comes to josei smut?
I read het romance to see two hotties doing the deed but I am partial to the fmc being the homely one while the mmc is considered the hot one. One too many times have media sold the hot wife ugly husband trope that started becuase insecure moids hated the thought of women settling for actual chads and not fail males.

No. 1979589

>>1979355
key words are "in the same fashion". there's gay men into yuri sure but it doesnt compare to the pure obsession that gay fujos have over yaoi.

No. 1979623

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>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else
All he/hims I ever have encountered was into some form of gay shipping - anime or not, that’s just what I know firsthand.
>Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?
Once again, I am talking about people I knew/knew of. I have plenty weeb and nonweeb slashers who are into gay male relationships, inevitably into porn of that kind also. And for them it’s always about gays, anything at all: being this ancient philosophy or kiddie morning show. Everybody gay, if they do show some signs of not being gay, specifically - oh that’s because they are internally confused or something. Every interaction of people/characters are about sex, there is no other possibilities. I don’t know, I’d say if your mind occupied by porn categories, then yes, you are addicted to porn, because you experience the world through porn lens. To complain how fragile and triggered moids are for not getting jokes about how they all fucking in a gym, while, would imagine, wouldn’t be so amused by a moid’s joke about “yall fucking at sleepovers” or whatever - I don’t know even. You could say “but it’s different because misogyny”, but the fuck it’s not - the same pornbrain mentality, imo.
Yume pornbrain - from what I saw in the wilderness - is similar, especially when there are certain unusual preferences - it’s shoving sex stuff into everyday life, projecting, sexualizing, sharing their distorted reality.
Both cases are all about obsession of something romantic and thus something sexual - do they look for romance in porn? Or do they “shield” by romance to obsess over porn? I am not an expert on male gay romance manga or media overall - is nonporn bl more popular than pvp? Like, you know, shoujo romance is more popular than tl. Is this about looking for a woman-written love story without any possible distractions for one’s vulnerability? And most of what they get is porn, because editors think “sex sells”? Idk because there is a giant mass of nonprofit gay pornfics.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Aprox 80% slasher/fujo girls I know are some kind of “lesbian”. I use ironic quotation exactly because it’s dubious and just stupid. Okay, woman-written romance, okay no misogyny. But like. Being a lesbian and being obsessed over some korean moid or a harem of several male characters. What. Roleplaying male gay sex with gf, sex in cosplay of said male characters. Multiple merchandise, memorabilia of some moid/s. Point of having a naked sexualized fanart of a geriatric man on your phone wallpaper while being a lesbian? Userpics of k webnovel muscleman? Writing literal love poems on socials to a male character? I just don’t get it. I am straight and do have a waifu (I know, cringe), but I don’t what her to be engaged in any sexual activity, maybe slightly erotic. So it’s a mystery, mindset like that.
>Why do you think so meny supposed straight content made for women caters to men?
Because they made hentai for men and tl also for men and women, trying to cater to everyone - hrr drr there is a female in the straight story after all, so there is a female body we can use, so why don’t we do it. This is ultra dumb. Seeing japanese smut for women (presumably) and seeing that the focus is always fucking always on female body, often her chest, take a look, nearly every manga cover depict a guy undressing a female mc. And in sex scenes they always undress female characters ignoring male ones. So when big companies artists are doing this (because of editors and creative effective whatever managers), of course indie artists would do the same for money.

No. 1979634

>>1979623
>Being a lesbian and being obsessed over some korean moid or a harem of several male characters. What. Roleplaying male gay sex with gf, sex in cosplay of said male characters. Multiple merchandise, memorabilia of some moid/s. Point of having a naked sexualized fanart of a geriatric man on your phone wallpaper while being a lesbian?
when something doesnt make sense sometimes the simplest answer is the actual answer. theyre bisexual/straight and not lesbian.

No. 1979641

>>1979623
Non porn bl is popular/common enough. I do wish people would seperate bl from western fanfiction though since it really seems that nobody knows anything about actual bl outside of that.

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>>1979641
>Non porn bl is popular/common enough
Nayrt but while non porn BL does exist you should take a stroll down toranoana in Ikebukuro, nonna. 90% of everything in there is porn BL. So it's a bit disingenuous to say that westerners make more porn BL than the Japanese, from first-hand experience that's not the case at all. I'd say both sides have an even share of non-porn to porn BL with porn BL overwhelmingly dominating.

No. 1979677

>>1979675
Toranoana is a doujinshi store dumbass. Doujinshis are like 90% porn because that's basically what they're made for.

No. 1979682

>>1979677
And what is a fanfic?

No. 1979688

>>1979682
You think "actual bl" meant "fanfic, but japanese"?

No. 1979689

>>1979688
You're comparing apples to oranges here. As if westerns only make fanfic too.

No. 1979692

How the fuck is this thread constantly spamming the front page with the same discussion going in endless circles, it's like a fucking bot ring just replying to each other. Antifujos constantly screeching about fujos being misogynistic pornsick uke larper pedos looking for the right dick to cure them with one foot into troondom and shitposting fujos intentionally provoking them by yelling about how raping men is based while every even remotely intelligent reply is left in the dust. Day in, day out, it's the same shit. People who have never met a fujo past high school age, have no experience in the adult community and have never read a BL in their lives are teaming up with the anons who are just genuinely homophobic to pathologize fujoism based on either moidbrained views on female sexuality or Paki-chan level medieval puritanism (or schizo tier obsession like the yuripedo), and coomer yumefujos who equally have never read a BL in their lives or have been invested in any ship beyond porn because they only consoom smutty doujins are the ones representing the other side. Fuck you all, at least you have this thread to contain all your autism into so you don't spread this underage twitter cancer elsewhere. Good riddance.(hide threads you don't like)

No. 1979697

>>1979692
So just hide it

No. 1979699

>>1979692
I think you're just uncomfortable that people are calling out your kind and how full of shit you are, ""lesbian"" fujo

No. 1979700

>>1979692
>Fuck you all, at least you have this thread to contain all your autism into so you don't spread this underage twitter cancer elsewhere.
unfortunately they escape containment often kek

No. 1979702

>>1979692
Literally mindbroken and frothing at the mouth kek

No. 1979703

>>1979689 cover "western" with your finger when reading >>1979641 if it makes you feel better.

No. 1979704

>>1979692
the mandatory autistic fujo spergouts from probably this same exact person at nearly the same time everyday are my favorite thing to wake up to. "IM QUITTING LOLCOW BECAUSE YOU HECKIN ANTI-FUJOS ARE SO MEAN!! FUCK U ALL!! >:(("(emote)

No. 1979706

>>1979692
I made the thread and I agree with you, nona. I do read every single reply to the OP questions and appreciate the intelligent takes and measured responses, it's a shame the whole thread couldn't improve in quality after the baiters got their need for attention out of their system.

No. 1979708

>>1979692
>>1979704
also notice how this retard had to throw in a diss toward yumejos/yumefujos too, because it just wouldn't be a lolcow fujopost without them burning their only autistic bridge with other weeb women and making even more women hate them, all while calling themselves a "by women for women community"

No. 1979712

>>1979704
Its extra hilarious because her post is so detailed that you know she camps out here herself to sperg kek

No. 1979720

>>1979708
>all while calling themselves a "by women for women community"
Tbf some nonas say the same about this site.

No. 1979725

>>1979634
i agree but like most trannies those "lesbians" won't ever admit they aren't lesbians, it would be crossing the line for they/them.

No. 1979726

>>1979708
>coomer yumefujos who equally have never read a BL in their lives or have been invested in any ship beyond porn because they only consoom smutty doujins
this person just seems to be seething over the fact that yumefujos are the most based type of female fan who can enjoy both BL and het content shamelessly while not being a subject of criticism from the anti-fujo brigade kek

No. 1979735

>>1979708
>>1979726
the evil yumefujos are taking over my heckin PURE boys love with their sick coomer masturbation habits!!

No. 1979741

>>1979704
How many fujos visit this thread to begin with?

No. 1979743

>>1979741
well considering the nature of this site and considering the mods don't like infighting, i would assume not many fujos actually visit this site because they probably don't want to get banned.

No. 1979744

>>1979743
>this site
There's a bl thread on /m/, I'm more wondering how many fujos go between the two or if this really is just fujocoomer thread 2.0 ft. one fujo camping out.

No. 1979746

>>1979692
What's wrong with women who read smutty doujins? I thought you were against puritan ideas about female sexuality.

No. 1979748

>>1979692
they hated nona because she told them the truth

No. 1979754

>>1979746
Don't reply to bait, nonny.
>>1979741
idk if I'd call myself a fujo since I read many other genres as well, but I'm doing my nu carnival dailies and poking a dude's nipples as we speak so maybe you can count me in part. I don't frequent the BL thread on /m/ that often though, some crazy troll anon(s?) there had an extreme hateboner for the game and we ended up kicked to a containment thread kek.

No. 1979758

>>1979746
I think nona was in part replying to the exchange before hers, most bl is porn and that's a bad thing vs. non porn bl isn't uncommon if you set fanfiction aside.

No. 1979760

>>1979746
It doesnt fit my specific shit taste, so its bad! Ignore the fact that my entire argument rests on leaving women alone to enjoy their hobbies!

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what is the appeal of this?

No. 1980126

>>1978423
I imagine some slashers/fujos do self-insert, while others are more voyeuristic. It's probably the same way with romance media in general, where how people enjoy it is a matter of personal preference. I'm purely voyeuristic and don't self-insert, but that's just me.

No. 1980130

>>1980100
TiFs view their fictional faves as cool, so they picture the character doing the same things as them because it makes them feel cool. Like they imagine their favorite sexy anime boy with breasts to make themselves better about being TiFs.

No. 1980139

>>1978466
>asian fujos may tend towards identifying more with the seme
Citation needed

No. 1980143

>>1978470
Macho ukes getting wrecked is my favorite thing. I love when the bottom acts all tough but is secretly vulnerable and just wants to be cared for by a seme who is just a sweet dumb guy. Insecure douchebag uke and himbo seme is chef's kiss.

No. 1980158

>>1978720
Anons are screeching at you, but you're actually on to something. Female sexuality is different from male sexuality, and studies have shown that women experience arousal while viewing images of sex regardless of the genders of the people depicted; for instance, straight women showed the neurological signs of arousal when they were shown lesbian porn. This is not to say women can't be exclusively attracted to one sex; they absolutely can. My point is that the way women respond to erotic imagery is very different from the way men do, and that it may be distinct from their sexuality proper. It may be because women are more empathetic, we can imagine the positive romantic or sexual feelings of others and feel invested in them even if those people are unlike us.

No. 1980163

>>1979346
If we're unfortunate enough to have another one of these horrible threads, this should be the next threadpic.

No. 1980168

>>1980158
>It may be because women are more empathetic, we can imagine the positive romantic or sexual feelings of others and feel invested in them even if those people are unlike us.
Including bonobos, apparently. I'm kind of skeptical that those physiological reactions are the same as proper female arousal.

No. 1980174

>>1979346
Okay we can pack up and go home. Argument's done.

No. 1980178

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(bait)

No. 1980181

>>1980178
Real men are so unfortunate looking. How can anyone fuck these specimens?

No. 1980209

>>1980181
real life sex can feel good

No. 1980223

>>1980209
NTA and just passing by but most men can’t be bothered to make you cum. I can finish myself in seconds. Men can’t live up to that standard at all. Just because it can happen doesn’t mean that it does happen.

No. 1980226

>>1980209
do you love the penis or do you love the man attached to the penis?

No. 1980227

File: 1714082149742.jpg (226.34 KB, 640x640, yaoified.jpg)

>>1980178
fixed. fujos hate 3d moids

No. 1980235


No. 1980247

>>1980227
the white dude is still balding and the black guy is too fat. also at least one of them should be turned into a sexy vampire or priest or something

No. 1980249

>>1980247
Black guy should be a vampire and baby hands Mcgee should be a werewolf.

No. 1980286

>>1980100
i feel like it's a revenge thing, like wishing men felt the same pain you do as a woman. maybe that's the appeal of mpreg/omegaverse too. a lot of yaoi feels like revenge porn tbh. like all those fujo memes of yaoi being 'revenge for men not letting women vote' or whatever are probably true to an extent

No. 1980294

File: 1714087916671.jpg (653.59 KB, 1215x1212, fix.jpg)

>>1980227
Had to fix yours

No. 1980295

>>1980286
Ignoring the misogynistic implications of thinking a period is degrading, IRL men don't give birth that is something tied to women. I might or might not have children but that ability is something that defines everything, from all my female ancestors to my possible descendants. If you create a scenario where a man can get pregnant, then they aren't men.

No. 1980299


No. 1980302

>>1980295
>Ignoring the misogynistic implications of thinking a period is degrading
Nona said it was painful and some might wish men could feel that pain, not that it was necessarily degrading.

No. 1980310

>>1980302
You can have a scenario where men feel a general pain or something male-exclusive, but specifically forcing menstruation will always be fundamentally misogynistic.

No. 1980329

>>1980310
So, videos where men are strapped to electrical devices that replicate period cramps are misogynistic because that pain is for the woman folk?

No. 1980337

>>1980295
you really misinterpreted what i said. i don't think periods are inherently degrading. i don't even think they're painful for some people. but a lot of women experience pain on periods, and pain is something no one wants to have
>If you create a scenario where a man can get pregnant, then they aren't men.
yes, well, the whole point of my post was women wishing that men could feel the pain women feel for being female hence being penetrated in their yaoihole, period cramps, mpreg, omegaverse. i don't agree with using that pain as 'revenge' though, i'm not a fujo and have never been into female-ifying male characters, but it's a common enough phenomenon, as >>1980100 shows

No. 1980517


No. 1980519

>>1980100
Is this person even a fujoshi?

No. 1980552

>>1980519
On her twitter I saw some m/m ship art but also f/f, most was gen art without romance. Scrolled down until dec and found nothing milky. Seemed like a pretty normal person, fujo or not.

No. 1980671

>>1978720
This is 100% true, I'll take my ban for scrotefoiling but there's absolutely no reason for a woman to disagree with your point.

No. 1981285

File: 1714162359647.jpeg (1.15 MB, 1170x1794, IMG_6792.jpeg)

>>1969912
I know I’m being unnecessarily petty by replying to this a week later but… picrel

No. 1981659

>>1980100
>>1980130
They simply don't empathize with women at all but with anime boys.

No. 1982404

File: 1714250246353.jpg (174.58 KB, 823x658, yea.jpg)

>>1980100
Pathetic yaoi man in pain is cute.

No. 1982409

>>1982404
Felt, I'm ovulating right now

No. 1982410

>>1980294
Kekkkk

No. 1982412

>>1982404
Did a TIF post this?

No. 1982415

>>1982412
Probably not, tifs like to pretend they don't get periods anymore.

No. 1982418

>>1982404
I read that as pathetic men in yaoi pain.

No. 1982425

>>1982418
I mean considering that they're both ukes, they probably are in yaoi pain.

No. 1982467

>>1982415
Last time I heard about it they were trying to make menstruation a "manly" thing. Demanding gender neutral period products etc.

No. 1982541

>>1980286
>>1980100
Come on this is the same train of thought that leads straight fujos to detest het ships/stories even if they have the same dynamics as their fav bl
Any excuse to justify infantalising women and disassociating from your own experiences as a woman >>1982404

No. 1982547

>>1982541
>nooo how dare you not enjoy abusive straigth relationships but enjoy hot men beating eachother they are the same thing!!1!
Some of you are so desperate to try to call women misogynists you circle back to defend women being abused

No. 1982574

>>1982547
kek seriously, anons complain about fujos liking le abusive rape porn!!!! and then go post about how they want to be choked and forcibly bred by their husbando in the hornyposting thread. the only problem they have is that they can't self insert into m/m and that's why they call fujos misogynists, simply for not creating content for them personally.

No. 1982584

>>1982574
But don't you know anon? Getting raped is a woman thing, only women can be raped and abused, that's why a man getting raped and abused is basically a woman and that's why it's misogyny.

No. 1982600

>>1982584
I wish I had the screenshot of that one husbandofag hornyposter talking about how it's an innate female urge to be raped and bred.

No. 1982618

>>1982600
Let me guess, rancefag?

No. 1982619

>>1982600
>it's an innate female urge to be raped and bred.
Are you sure that was a farmer and not a baiting moid? I can't imagine any woman thinking this…

No. 1982625

>>1982619
Well, it's been proven time and time again that a lot of antifujos, especially the ones making a clumsy and inauthentic attempt at the misogyny reverse uno card, are just straight out moids. It would make sense that the people making it so that "ackshually you know yaoi is really about women being raped because being raped and abused is a female experience!!!" and also posting about how women being forcibly impregnated is an innate sex-based need would be the same men.

No. 1982626

>>1982619
you'd be surprised about how many women actually think like that

No. 1982637

>>1982625
Nta but okay shizoid.

No. 1982641

>>1981659
In some cases you may be right, but I think it honestly depends on the individual TiF. I think there are some that genuinely cope by associating traits they dislike about themselves with their favorite characters. I think that's also why they push so hard for "representation" in general, regardless of the genders of the characters. They want more obese, dumpy, scar-covered, tit-chopped characters because they prefer "normalization" over self-improvement.

No. 1982695

>>1982547
having a uterus and period cramps is a female-exclusive thing and not the same as just "men being in pain" you troonbrained fujo

No. 1982697

>>1982625
>women being forcibly impregnated is an innate sex-based need would be the same men.
why do you think people saying pregnancy is female-exclusive is the same thing as saying "women being forcibly impregnated is a sex-based need"? you are genuinely mentally ill and a step away from being a troon

No. 1983004

>>1982695
are you seriously taking this >>1982404 seriously? it's clearly meant to be joke

No. 1983048

>>1982697
Are you ESL or just illiterate? Honest question.

No. 1983383

The fact that this is such a heated debate says a whole lot about how female sexuality is seen in Society and how the only societally acceptable way for women to be sexual is by pandering to the male gaze. Both anti-fujo and anti-yumejo attitudes stem from the same belief basically. Hell, waifufags and yuritroons aside, it's considered acceptable even for normie men both to have self inserts and get off to "girl on girl action".

No. 1983389

>>1983383
when did anyone attack yumes despite calling out the ones that are actual retards

No. 1984139

>>1983383
I don't care i just can't stand girls addicted to male gay sex

No. 1984154


No. 1984325

>>1984139
get real hobbies

No. 1987139

File: 1714579882820.png (171.04 KB, 658x836, FopokaIAASj.png)

Why not just create a genderbent at this point instead of doing whatever this is?

No. 1987144

File: 1714580141827.jpg (608.19 KB, 2048x1649, yass queen slayyyy.jpg)

>>1987139
i dont know why you keep posting stuff from yumes instead of fujos. But thank you for introducing me to this autist, she's hilarious. I love her yassified redraws of wolfwood

No. 1987157

>>1987139
This is my favorite thing ever. I hate flat niggas I need ass meat

No. 1987174

>>1987139
Genderbent? Isn't that closer to just bara?

No. 1987185


No. 1987212

>>1987144
…is that zyzz?

No. 1987216

>>1987212
zyzz doesnt have sexy clit sucking lips

No. 1987242

>>1987157
>>1987174
those are literally womanly curves.

No. 1987245

>>1987242
who cares? it's fiction

No. 1987250

>>1987242
Idk, that's just what bara/gay comics in general look like.

No. 1987262

>>1987250
The way gay men draw gayshit is honestly grotesque, the pecs are literally indistinguishable from female boobs sometimes, the femboys with actual female proportions. The lithe ukes from BL look like actual men compared to the shit supposedly gay scrotes draw

No. 1987282

>>1987262
both are a result of obvious porn brain-rot.

No. 1987287

>>1987282
yes grandma, women drawing hot cartoony men is pornsickness now go back to your nap

No. 1987300

>>1987262
Whether gay men are actually gay or if they're porn rotted straight men is above my pay grade ngl

No. 1987323

>>1987300
so porn induced pseudo-bisexality

No. 1987329

>>1987323
That is a theory about homosexuality.

No. 1987334

File: 1714590950661.jpg (Spoiler Image,28.45 KB, 547x800, tom-of-finland-leather-geared-…)

Men with pecs doesn't really make them women, some gay men have always been into the "big pecs and ass" muscle type way back in the 50s before twitter porn, pic related.

No. 1987335

>>1987334
the way he draws legs with tumors always gets to me

No. 1988692

>>1988682
You know what
It doesn't even matter what kind of het ship it is. Most of the users here view het ships and stories as nothing short of humiliation. It's that fucking "all straight sex is rape" radfem analysis isn't it.
I hope you all mentally heal this is so exhausting and boring. Fans and fujoshis on other platforms are less mentally deranged than users here because they're not very self aware.

No. 1988817

>>1988692
>Most of the users here view het ships and stories as nothing short of humiliation.
It kind of is tbh. Not because "all straight sex is rape" but because the dynamics aren't equal.

No. 1988823

>>1988692
>"all straight sex is rape" radfem analysis
This right here it's like a cancer to LC, you ain't mentally stable if you seriously entertain this thought

No. 1988828

>>1988817
Lol coping fujo, as if the ukes in your stories are not tifs who look and get treated like women.

Het is bad, but the seme and secondary characters perpetuating misogyny on the tif-looking uke is sooo much better.

You are so woke and feminist anon. Totally not fake or hypocritical and in no way justifying your gay porn addiction.

No. 1988830

>>1988828
>tifs tifs TIFS!
I don't read/watch whatever you're babbling about.

No. 1988834

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>>1988828
>ukes are TIFs
Remember anons, if you are attracted to this, you are a lesbian

No. 1988836

>>1988825
That's what I don't understand, yaoi very frequently contains elements and allegories to misogyny, abuse and sexism, usually amplified because the "female" is presented as a male, they literally have no moral ground to criticize anybody yet keep yapping

No. 1988840

>>1988834
>using picrel as a example
I laughed ngl

>>1988830
Oh nonnie bless your retarded soul. You obviously are reading that since you read BL

No. 1988843

>>1988834
>If you are attracted to this, you are a lesbian
Damn maybe, this weird ass androgynous twink butch alien doesn't even got a dick

No. 1988853

File: 1714709039740.jpeg (67.39 KB, 736x736, HajimexLeo.jpeg)

I want a poll to know how many LC fujos think that reading yaoi is a sign of homosexuality and how many think it's not

No. 1988858

>>1988828
Weird, I've never met a TIF with a dick and balls. But also,
>justifying your gay porn addiction.
So is BL het or gay? You can't have it both ways.

No. 1988860

>>1988858
They can never ever keep their story straight. Last thread it was "lesbian fujos can't be a thing because anime men have male proportions and dicks and balls despite", now it's "the anime man is a literal TIF". Make up your fucking minds, is BL gay or straight?

No. 1988862

>>1988858
Ah yes their uber small micropenises how could i not forget.
>>1988853
Most fujos here pretend to be totallly against troons or gay-men so they can fit in with the others in this site. But outside of this site the majority of fujos are supportive of gay-men, troons and many fujos do fall into some troon category whether its identifying and a any-pronoun or they/them enby to being a actual tif.

I think that should answer your question.

No. 1988865

>>1988860
I cant believe how braindead fujos are. No one here has claimed that BL has anything to do with lesbians. The concensu here has always been that the uke was a self-insert for the women reading BL.

No. 1988867

>>1988865
>No one here has claimed that BL has anything to do with lesbians.
nta but there was literal days long arguments about whether lesbian fujos can exist, did you even check the other threads? it's a recurring debate all over the site even in /g/

No. 1988871

>>1988867
Yes and they don't. The people pushing for that shit were literally fujos who claimed to be lesbians. Weird of you to blame fujo autism on us.
The consensus has always been that it's repackaged het without the actual woman but instead a self insert pseudo-woman.

No. 1988883

>>1988862
I think some of you just make up yaoi to get mad at. It's like if someone who knew nothing about soccer started trying to tell soccer fans all about why soccer sucks. It just comes off confidently incorrect that it's very hard to take any of it seriously.

No. 1988888

>>1988862
remember the fujo who was here weeks ago talking about how anal sex actually isn't that gross and that "men and anti-fujos are more obsessed with poop and anal than gay men are" and that het sex was even worse LOL. they put on their capes for 3d gay moids constantly, don't let that whole "based irl homophobic stacy fujo" meme fool you

No. 1988891

>>1988888
Wasn't that because antifujos kept asking for enemas and realistic sex and saying that it not being shown means tifs or some shit?
Then censored examples were shown that it is a thing and the whole argument to begin with was retarded.

No. 1988895

>>1988891
no, they were saying anal sex ackshually WASN'T gross and that if done properly there's no poop and shit lol. anti-fujos are disgusted by yaoi, why would they want "realistic gay sex" and "enemas". gay sex is disgusting to me, even fictional romanticized depictions of male bodies by women

No. 1988897

>>1988895
Ngl the last thread was pants on head retarded and both sides sounded like they need caregivers, but pretty sure there was a cry out about how yaoi sex isn't realistic and too "vaginal" (????) because the characters didn't do enema shit onscreen.

No. 1988900

Tl;dr half of the people here think any sort of sex with anything penis shaped is a sin and you need to stop reading fanfiction because it seems to rot your brain into a paranoid schizo mess as much as porn does.

No. 1988901

>>1988897
i don't (really) agree that it's "vaginal" but usually it's just to clown on fujos who romanticize anal sex, not like wanting the grosser alternative, more like wanting all of it to disappear lmao
>>1988900
surely you're not talking about people thinking anal sex is gross because it is i'm sorry

No. 1988903

>>1988901
I'm talking about everyone. If you stopped reading fanfiction you wouldn't be seeing even remotely the amount of anal sex and tif shittery you complain about.

No. 1988906

>>1988903
>half of the people here think any sort of sex with anything penis shaped is a sin
what did anon mean by this

No. 1988909

>>1988906
Meant m/f and f/f get a lot of shit too but what was your interpretation?

No. 1988971

>>1988853
All of the ghost stories kids are way too ugly to be yaoified, well except for ass boy (who was kinda faggy with the retarded kid)

No. 1988987

Why would I want to read realistic anal sex in my yaoi anyway? I also don't want to read about het couples in fanfic worrying endlessly about pregnancy, contraception, and STIs either. I'm well aware the characters I ship aren't behaving like RL gay men and that anal sex in RL needs lot of preparation and even then can still end up being gross. It's called a fantasy and not a biology lesson.

No. 1989005

>>1988987
So you fantasize about sodomites but pretend they're not like irl sodomites. I also get that comics are different from reality but it doesn't change the fact that it's still gross. If someone made a pedophilia story minus sex that would still be exploitative and gross. In the same way fujos are gross for their gay fetish, even if they try to make it "pure".

No. 1989006

>>1989005
>sodomites
tf is this language, are you a 1650s puritan or what
>So you fantasize about sodomites but pretend they're not like irl sodomites.
it's a fantasy. it's fiction. if people can make shit up about talking animals or space battles they can make shit up about unrealistic gay sex. m/f content is full of idealised moids and unrealistic sex as well.
>if someone made a pedophilia story minus sex that would still be exploitative and gross.
retarded comparison. paedophilia always equals rape. gay sex doesn't. you just have a problem with homosexuality

No. 1989011

>>1989005
You seem to willingly ignore the fact that I mentioned het sex acts too. If I read a story (and here I'm using a made up example just so you know) of a female character having a ONS with a male character without any kind of protection or sparing even a second thinking about the possibility of catching an STI from them, then according to your logic I encourage woman to have unsafe sex in RL? That's so dumb.

And just the fact that you not only use the term sodomite but also in the same breath as pedophilia tells me everything I need to know about you. No one here is defending pedophilia, but fake gay anal sex only becomes a problem when you start thinking it works like that in RL. Which, even in the times of tifs taking over fandom, hardly anyone actually believes.

No. 1989033

I absolutely despise the Uke Seme setup which is why I can't be a fujo. Does a popular ship of two husbandos the same age, size, mental maturity and physical maturity even exist? Ugly fan art doesn't count.

No. 1989035

>>1989033
Yes there are plenty of them with guys who canonically fit that description, and you can find these pairings with both of the guys either being tops or bottoms depending on the writers or artists' personal preferences.

No. 1989038

>>1989033
they eixst absolutely everywhere; jjk, free!!, yuri on ice, hetalia, haikyuu, naruto and bungou no stray dogs are some examples.

No. 1989104

>>1989033
The size difference with uke/seme was a staple of yaoi in the early-mid 2000s and has since become far less ubiquitous in both fanwork and published content. Equally masculine characters are pretty common in BL/yaoi nowadays and the reverse has also become pretty popular (immature/smaller semes). Naturally, this is also true for shipping.

No. 1989290

>>1989033
Quit being stuck in the early 2000s BL scene. That was almost over 20 years ago and you retards are convinced that is the only dynamic that ever exists. BL had an incredible revolution in the 2010s. Now you have hunkxhunk, normal dude x normal dude, hunk x normie, vice versa, two CEOs, small top x huge bottom, etc. BL is no longer Okane ga Nai and hasn't been in so damn long. Does the babbu uke and huge seme still exist, yes, but that's not the sole content anymore. In fact, it's a minority.

No. 1989462

>>1989033
I'm a fujo and there are very few typical seme-uke setups I like. Canis is one of my favorite BL mangas and there's no clear seme or uke in that case. I'm also very autistic about slash shipping in that I want the characters to be written as in-character as possible, so I don't read fics or djs where the characters are contorted to fit the seme-uke thing, which thankfully is way less common than it was fifteen years ago.

No. 1989469

>>1989005
Nta but they literally aren't. A common criticism from wokescolds is that yaoi characters don't act like actual gay men. Also, they're drawings, obviously.

No. 1989475

>>1988888
>men and anti-fujos are more obsessed with poop and anal than gay men are
I was the one who made that remark. I never said that "het sex was more gross," I just pointed out that straight people also have anal sex. Not that that makes it any better, but if your issue is that anal grosses you out, it's weird to single out gay men or yaoi (which is fiction, anyway).

No. 1989483

>>1988862
>Most fujos here pretend to be totallly against troons or gay-men so they can fit in with the others in this site.
"These cowards don't openly hate troons off-anon" isn't the own you think it is. A lot of the GC anons here are crypto because we have jobs and connections we can't afford to lose over troon discourse. I genuinely despise troons, and I don't care one way or the other about gay men unless they're being misogynistic. If I voiced these opinions anywhere else, there would be serious consequences. Sorry that I care more about my career than I do about proving that I'm sufficiently man-hating to some random retard on an imageboard.

No. 1989489

>>1988860
>They can never ever keep their story straight.
Because we're not a hivemind and our opinions on this vary. You've been told this a million times, but you're too retarded to comprehend it.

No. 1990189

File: 1714808860273.jpg (39.93 KB, 680x680, 1626183556120.jpg)

I know it doesn't happen as much with lcf fujos and older fujos for that matter but the "female in the way of the gay ship" thing is tiring. I see it a lot with gendies and gay "men" TIFs more though, and they have a variety of excuses too that don't always hold up too. I don't know the point of this post, but I hope to write good female characters someday. If anything to make the problem of badly written female characters a little better, maybe then m/f will start to become more interesting to others and me as well. Yeah, there will always be fags and insecure tards who will hate a female character for that reason but if the majority of the cases can be avoided, I think it's worth it.



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