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>>>/ot/2351907Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated m thread
-screencaps are necessary while talking about milk
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT! REPORT AND IGNORE!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/painting by :Artemisia Gentileschi
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
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>>2405781Not a problem, beautiful nonna, mwah
Thanks for the books!
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Based threadpic, her Beheading painting was always a million times better than Carfaggio's
>>2405786>>2405788Shut the fuck up. It's a new thread the derail should end.
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>>2405786I just want everyone to know that they are defending a character who is literally known as being a "mascohist", from the IM@S game where you literally basically date them (yeah, you "raise" them, but you talk to them, whatever.) "Hiro is referred to as a masochist by the Producer, as she enjoys being berated by him and being seen as "a lost cause." She calls the producer a demon, saying it's what she likes most about him." This isn't just a "loli" character, she is literally goonbait from a gooner game LMFAO. The game "gakuen" is literally A RAISING IDOL simulator. There is an obvious fucking difference.
>A genius girl who gives off a mysterious vibe. She graduated from a math and science university overseas at the age of 14. Tired of living an easy and boring life, she enrolled in Hatsuboshi Gakuen to try things she's bad at. She scored perfectly on academics but scored zero on the practicals during the entrance exams. The interview evaluation by the principal was also rated excellent. She is a weirdo who finds joy in "grueling lessons" and "things that don't go well". She became an idol because she thinks "she's the least cut out for it". (derailing/leave it in the last thread) No. 2405794
>>2405788She is right tbf that people give Sailor Moon and CCS a break despite the content and fanbase.
Neither really have much to do with the thread, though. Just consider the type of thread and the people who post in it before posting something from idolmaster, even if there's a thread for the franchise for it on this site.
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How do I feel like I'm not failing my husbandos whenever I do something that isn’t art? I got really into body building and sports and I stopped drawing for months and barely wrote because I was positively in love with the ball. But I felt an odd guilt. Like I was neglecting my wife for a lady at work. Art has been my lifelong dream, I have been working on my story and oc's since 3rd grade. My autism has not let up. But what if I actually get a life and don't end up being a famous artist with a hundred devoted yumes at my beck and call? I stayed up late to write about my favorite oc for 5 hours, and I don't regret it. But I want to stop cheating on my husbando, or at least stop feeling guilty about it.
Should I get a better schedule? Strict sport and husbando hours? Due to muh ADHD I can't really focus on one thing and its a long way to Adderall. What has driven me so far is just being gifted insane ideas or motivation at random times and spending hours drawing or writing them. Is there a way to get motivation on command? Is my brain fried from half a decade of TikTok? I genuinely believe I would be committing a sin not getting my work out to the public ASAP!
No. 2405977
>>2405790Caravaggio's death was so fucking satisfying. There's something poetic about a mega violent moid who spent his life being a piece of shit in every possible way and was coddled because he was a widdle baybee who painted such pwetty pictures getting 1)exiled, 2)being pardoned (because of course he was) and getting a passage back to Rome only to get arrested and lose all the stuff he'd brought with him because the ship had fucked off in the meantime, and 3) dying of 'illness' shortly after that.
I don't give a shit if he actually died of dick rot or if he was moidered by one of the many families he'd managed to piss off but either way, KEK. Rest in piss and may all disgusting scrotoids follow his path.
No. 2406081
>>2406004i think it's because those nonnas aren't actually grinding basic fundamentals in a meaningful and helpful way. if they were, then "rendermaxxing" wouldn't be so out of their reach because they would have a firm understanding of one of the most important fundamentals, value.
i think digital art is so accessible these days that a lot of people just pick up the ipad and try to go into studying higher level fundamentals like hardcore anatomy then get frustrated when they can't "render" because they have no understanding of value or light.
for anyone struggling with "rendermaxxing", try doing value studies until you feel confident adding color again.
No. 2406251
>>2406245It's definitely an XY or some seething Becky
triggered into a keysmashing rage at the thought of the prettier, more popular art hoe Stacies in her intro to art history class kek.
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>>2406251>>2406245Basic artwhore nonas when they discover there are actually women in academia who spend their time researching old masters instead of cherry picking the most basic high school curriculum paintings in existence for internet brownie points.
>>2406245I’m not wasting my breath to educate Beckies like this, they’re dime-a-dozen and my time is more precious than that. I just came by to hate. Enjoy your evening, now.
No. 2406305
>>2406289I'm not the ayrt and honestly don't care about who's right about a bunch of artists who've been dead for hundreds of years before my birth, I'm just having a laugh at your tard tantrum and how you're still here after your sassy goodbye in
>>2406276 kek
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>>2405790Samefagging, the reason why Gentileschi's painting is better is not just the context of the painting but the painting itself. In Carvaggio's, the subjects are passive and so is the composition, meanwhile in Gentileschi's everyone is active, Judith and the servant are both participating in beheading Holofrenes who is fighting back, it's a nice triangular composition and Gentileschi's more naturalist style really sells it.
She's not my favourite artist of that period, I prefer Sofonisba Anguissola and Elisabetta Sirani and I like other naturalism artists better, but she's still an objectively fantastic artist.
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>>2405331Nta but who are "the masters"?
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>>2406425NTA but she most likely means artists like Rembrandt, Bosch, Rochegrosse (picrel), Perugino,Jan van Eyck… there's a lot of them so do some research and find the ones you like.
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>>2406416The only time I'm able to sperg about one of my favorite artists is when people are infighting, but I'm so happy there's another gentileschi fan! I feel like caravaggio's ability to render isn't as detailed in comparison to gentileschi's, there's no denying that her ability to render clothing was nothing like other artists at the time. Many pieces that involve gentileschi also depicted women more morally complex compared to other male artists that left women portrayed as either a madonna or a whore. I wish I could I could write in detail the cultural implications, the inner art world's response, and the personal experiences of specific art pieces that she's made but i'd be spamming kek.
I have also written a 50 page analysis of her life, her stylistic inspirations, and her influence on the italian art world so I've grown a very fond attachment to her. No. 2406681
>>2406634I could have sworn we used to but I can't find it. I remember anons redlining art in /m/ way back but that might have just been in the bad art or rate my art threads
>>2406592I'd love to read your gentileschi sperging nona
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>>2406681>>2406634We do, it's here
>>243951 for some reason it's in /ot/
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>>2406416>Elisabetta SiraniGoogling her and I can see why you like her work. She seemed based.
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>send moot a drawing I spent seven hours on
> she like it, don't reblog it
>resist the urge to ask her to reblog it because I don't want it to flop
>vent that I feel like my art is worthless if it doesn't get enough notes, how my memes and text post get more than the drawings I spent up to 15 hours on
>admit that I'm probably delulu about my art, that I don't know if I'll ever be able to be good at what I'm doing
>she tells me not to worry, my art is good, the algorithm is just random, her arts from the same fandom doesn't get much notes either
>tell me she want to send my drawing to a friend since it's a subject they like
>I feel better
>send her a good drawing with few notes to prove her point
>she reblog that one
Yes, I'm aware of how pathetic I am
No. 2407952
>>2407579You seriously can't put this much meaning into likes or reblogs. Do
you even reblog everything all your mutuals post? Of course it's sad when a drawing doesn't do as well as you expect but if you make art you love it won't even matter. I actually used to have the opposite problem, my art would do really well but no one gave a fuck about my memes or text posts. Whenever this one mutual would log on to make some low effort text post it would get hundreds of likes and I'd get so miserable every time kek. It felt like no one cared about me, only about the images I made. I'm glad I got over that once I stopped making fanart. Nowadays I don't even post anymore, getting a few thousand likes or followers makes no difference in my life. If you want to grow your numbers you just have to keep making art that's appealing to you. People recognize soulful pieces and you won't even have to beg or guilttrip anyone into engaging with them.
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>>2407579People who do similar things have been made fun of in past threads, don't want to be mean but I want to convey that people, and anons itt, find that behaviour really annoying. You need to get a grip, why are you stressing out and guilt tripping your friend over
pixels? Do you remember everything you've ever liked and reblogged? Why do you think your art is any different? That's not to say your art is bad but you're using a pretty shitty way to judge your self worth as a lot of people go "pretty", like your post and scroll away and do that to several other posts. Bad artist who use pretty colours get popular all the time, ergo you can't treat popularity as a indicator of artistic skill, it's a indicator of luck and being social media savvy (or a very proficient rage baiter).
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>>240757I can't blame you, when I was younger I used to be the same way and it made it so hard to enjoy the fandoms I was in and my own art. I became so jealous and insecure that I gave up drawing.
Social media really sets us up to act like this, but like other anons say, you can't equate your talent to likes. I've started posting art again last year and this time around I don't follow many blogs or try to make mutual. My blog is more of a dumping ground but I am happy to scroll through and see my own progress and improvement.
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>>2405379I've used that tutorial before! I thought I'd try using a more guided approach to learning fundamentals (the thread links), but I'll use prrb's tutorial as a regular exercise. I'll start dating every piece as well.
>PicrelI don't like very many artists, I usually prefer a few of their pieces while I'm uninterested in the rest.
However, I absolutely adore Kaneoya Sachiko, from her color choice to the way she draws men and the environments she depicts them in. I wouldn't prefer to do so myself, but I like that almost every woman she draws is an anthro animal, usually terrorizing the man in the image kek.
I wouldn't like to commit to extreme realism like Ilya Repin, I think, though his skill is very impressive. I mostly like his colors and his lighting. I love the ornateness in
Sadko, along with the way he portrays depth in the painting with the procession. And I was always drawn to
Ivan because of the evocative expressions (and lighting, of course).
I mostly intend to focus on character work and environments, supplementing my current projects with concept art to help myself visualize what I'm working on. Rendering full illustrations is not something I'm capable of right now, but I would definitely like to do so in the future.
Because of this, and my temporary limited space (and funds) I don't think traditional art is the way to go? I'm still at the first step of "practice drawing on a piece of paper" kek, so I am not sure how or when I would start using an art program.
Sorry for the delay in replying. After I arrived home, things got a little crazy for a couple of days.>>2405492Nona, if you are not intelligent, then I am borderline retarded. I should have known you meant sketchbook, so sorry.
Should I be drawing in a sketchbook the way I'm using the printer paper and clipboard to practice? Or using it some other way? I've seen anons arguing about how to use a sketchbook in past threads kek, so I at least know it's not meant for showing off finished pieces on youtube.
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>>2406681>I'd love to read your gentileschi sperging nonaThank you so much! There's so much I can say about her, the main focus of my paper was primarily analyzing the work in comparison with other artists at the time and how her experiences gave her the ability to depict scenes in a way that was not only unique but influential to her peers. I feel like Gentileschi uses the female form without the cultural restrictions of a woman's body being something inherently sexual, so there's no incentive to depict honorable women with more or less clothes.
>Lucretia: A noble woman in rome who was famous for killing herself after being brutally raped, exposing and fueling sentiments that helped transform rome from a kingdom to a republic.My first example is Lucretia: how Gentileschi depicted the clear distraught brought from sexual violence showing female nudity in a way that expresses discomfort from the sheer disgust from lucretia herself. In comparison to many male artists and their madonna whore complex that either depicts Lucretia as a voyeuristic rape fantasy where she is somehow dressed up and beautiful, almost like she was ready for her assault, or a woman who is covered in clothes, as the artist was not willing to infer through the painting that she is mutilating herself after being "tarnished". (A famous example of this being Rembrandt)
This theme of uniquely portraying the female body that does not deny the woman her dignity can be depicted positively though. A woman being aware of her sexuality can be found with one of her less famous paintings of Venus and Cupid. At the time, many depicted Venus as either a loving mother, an arrogant goddess obsessed with her looks, or a sex-filled nymph who stares back at the viewer, excited for their response. Gentileschi completely breaks these archetypes by drawing venus as a goddes who lays glamorous and self assured. She isn't staring at the viewer, she isn't looking at herself in the mirror, she isn't even depicted as vein or arrogant, she seems confident and at ease. Being aware of the culture and time period the painting seems almost revolutionary to me. It's such an early example of depicting a sexual woman with dignity without needing to cover anything up.
I was going to talk about "Susanna and the elders", and "Jael and Sisera", but I think I've sperged enough.
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>>2409057ntyart, but I'd love to read your sperging about those pieces!
In other news, I think I'm finally ready to get back on the horse and make art again. I did a lot of commissions last year and all the degenerate subject matter made me burnt out on art in general (I hate that's the only way to make consistent big bucks). Just gonna keep my commissions closed and do personal art for a while. Kinda torn on cutting this one guy out once I do open my commissions again. I easily made the most money from him by a long shot, but I also hated drawing for him the most purely because of the subject matter, he was otherwise very patient and easy to deal with as a client. I also never post any of his work since I don't want to attract more clients who like what he likes. I don't have a lot of time to draw in general, so this creates gaps in my uploads which I also don't like very much.
Would it be stupid to lie to him about having a lot of clients? As in, I come to him once every two months or so to say that he's finally up in the queue? I don't have a public queue and taking a comm from him at this frequency I think would make for a better balance of making $$$ without burning out again. The trouble with this option I think is that I know some of my other clients know this guy. I don't get the sense that they are friends or anything, I but I assume they're in some shared discord server since the guy recently messaged me saying "so-and-so said your tablet broke a while ago, is that still the case?". I just wanna do commissions for him less often, but I know being honest about hating drawing for him would scare him off entirely. Ugh