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No. 2439481
3 months after announcing it, Cerbmin has finally created a poll that will decide the fate of VPN posting on LCF.
You can check and vote in the poll here:
>>>/meta/91498The Poll can be broken down into two options:
>A VPN ban should happen.>A VPN ban shouldn't happen.The former option has four different caveats which take into consideration the ways in which the potential VPN will apply.
Since posting is disabled on the /meta/ thread, I thought it might be useful for anons to use this thread to discuss the poll.
>Share which option you voted for.>Share why you voted for that option.>Share your opinions of why a VPN is necessary or not necessary.Please don't turn this thread into squabbling over how whoever voted for X option is a retard, or start campaigning for X option, or anything gay like that.
No. 2439511
>>2439508Admins literally said in the post that threads like exmuslim are getting a special exception. Why are anons too retarded to read I FUCKING SWEAR
>>2439503Yeah you're right since there are already anons posting ITT who obviously didn't read it
No. 2439522
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>Share which option you voted for.I voted for the "banned on /ot/ and on an ad hoc basis for threads on all other boards" option.
>Share why you voted for that option.I voted for that option because /ot/ is the board with the most problems that could be solved with a blanket VPN ban. The few times that a VPN ban was applied to the Amerifags thread, it quelled almost all baiting and infighting almost immediately. I use every board (except /g/) on LC, and I don't think a VPN ban is necessary on any other board besides /ot/. I think some anons have the idea that /ot/ IS LC instead of /ot/ is a PART of LC.
>Share your opinions of why a VPN is necessary or not necessary.I think it's necessary to counter the rule-breaking posts on /ot/ and to fix the board culture that has atrophied for the past few years.
>>2439507During the December VPN ban, anons were able to email Cerb and ask for an exemption if they could prove they needed a VPN to post for their personal safety.
>>2439503It's interesting. I wonder if they will consider the split. For instance, if we look at the poll right now (in picrel) we can see the "no VPN ban" option has the most votes, but the majority of voters would prefer a VPN ban. It's a difference of 43 for a VPN ban to 20 against a VPN ban.
>>2439514>>2439517>>2439520We are talking about Lolcow Farm. Not KiwiFarms.
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Runoff confirmed! Lolcow now has a better democratic process than the majority of countries
No. 2439622
>>2439495As a 24/7 VPN user, I'm against a blanket /ot/ ban because I enjoy occasionally posting in some of the /ot/ threads. Apart from posting in the doodleboard thread and the moovie room thread, I use a few of the other /ot/ threads from time to time (mostly the ones related to various hobbies, travel, etc). None of those threads have frequent infighting (maybe because they're more structured in topic and slower in general? I can't imagine baiting would be possible in them). We all know which threads are the infighting/baiting threads, so why not just target those?
>>2439499 Same. Might lurk, but won't be posting. It's what I did in December when the temporary ban took place, posting in bunker threads elsewhere occasionally. It's just a matter of principle. I don't post without VPN.
>>2439501Part of the blame should fall on the members of the userbase engaging with the bait. It's not hard to report it and scroll on, but a lot of users seem to feel the need to reply these days, which doesn't help. If the baiters didn't get attention, they would move on to other things, elsewhere. VPN users are being collectively punished along with the baiters because newer users refuse to learn 2 scroll.
No. 2439625
thanks for the link OP! i originally was planning to vote for VPNs banned on all boards except the hidden one like during the vpn ban. but after seeing what happened here after the vpn-ban was lifted now i'm firmly "every board". this place has been garbage for so long, and it's not hard to find it littered across the entire site. scrotes baiting in /g/, celebricows is always unreadable, /snow/ having thread subjects defending themselves and vpn hopping, the general state of /ot/. glad the polls finally up but i don't think a vpn ban across all boards will happen unfortunately. which is kinda sad because there's so many users that need a permaban that are running rampant on this site shitting it up for fun. this site was so much less shit when the ban was up. i remember while the ban was active, i was curious & checked and i saw unpopular opinions was on page 3. i feel like it's permanently on page 1 when there's no vpn ban. the state of this site the day the ban was lifted was a sight to behold really
>>2439584agreed with everything you said
No. 2439919
>>2439495Someone in /meta/ admitted that the staff laughs at random post histories in their discord. I believe it tbh, they probably have vendettas against some posters even if they're perfectly well behaved. Never forget that "accidental" deletion of the moovie room thread a few years ago. They also still kept the moovie anon banned even after restoring the thread
>>2439508>I'd say considering how things are now we cant keep on living in the 2010s when every other imageboard has taken measures to secure it selfMost other imageboards except 4chin allows vpns so I don't really get this argument
No. 2440059
only a few of /ot/ boards need a vpn ban and i would say unpopular opinions and amerifags need it. maybe for unpopular opinions, one day a week could be open to vpn posting, so everyone can get their infighting done on one day.
>>2439919>Someone in /meta/ admitted that the staff laughs at random post histories in their discord.Jannies suck but considering the level of retardation on this site it seems like a fair payoff. you can find some great cows among fellow farmers!
No. 2440088
>>2440060Given you're the second ESL anon to complain about this I think they really should've worded the poll differently.
I am all for a VPN ban though, and I use VPNs daily for external safety reasons. Admins protecting the threads that matter is the most important part, which they're doing, so I really don't see how it'd be a problem. Like
>>2439539 mentioned I've also been randomly banned because of some scrote posting with the same VPN and I worry he's ruining my post history for the mods to laugh at. Pretty inconsistent with the rest of my lore on this site.
No. 2440179
I think it’s more of a hassle to ban them all together than it would be to just ban whichever ones are known to cause the most trouble but admittedly I’m biased. Another thing is that the site’s already drying up and VPN bans are only gonna increase the dryness more by alienating a good amount of the users, the infighting only happens on certain ot threads (like unpopular opinions and /2X/) so I get them being banned/more heavily moderated on there but a full ban is just going to permanently alienate a good amount of users, a hellweek or fuck, even hellmonth would be a better idea just to bore them off if need be.
>>2440153>They also make unsaged sped posts on /pt/ and /snow/ to necro a 7 year old thread to ask where the cow got her cosplay fromThat’s been happening since the beginning it’s just that in like 2015 there were basically no rules so no one brought it up because there wasn’t anything regulating it at the time. Besides trolls are gonna post troll shit regardless, banning VPNs isn’t gonna stop bored clowns from spamming shit threads because they don’t care if they get banned from lolcow they just wanna use their time to spam post
>>2439919This is another reason I don’t agree with VPN bans, I don’t trust the newer mods with any actual IP. It’s not VPNs that are the issue, if you ask me modding has gone to shit and, while not Crystal Cafe levels of bad, the newest mods are clearly not doing their job. Again, trolls have been around since the beginning but they only recently became an issue because every new mod seems to fuck up in some way. VPN bans are a band aid solution at best because raiders will just find another way
No. 2440200
>>2440153>The baiters and the retards who reply to bait are the same people.Exactly. I have seen, on more than one occasion, the same anons pretending to be someone else to take their own bait and to infight with themselves.
How do I know? Because they think that switching up the typing style alone is enough to trick others. E.g., post A will be in all lowercase, reply A won't be, then post B will be in all lowercase, reply B will be in all lowercase, then deleted to replace with proper grammar, because the baiter/infighter forgot which type style she were using to discreetly samefag.
Then we have retards like
>>2439558 that actually think that infighting and baiting is "fun" and they come here specifically to do that gay shit. I have no idea why it took admin this long to realize that VPNs NEED to be banned on /ot/. Posting on /ot/ isn't a right, it's a privilege. If anons don't follow the rules, they don't deserve to post. Most /ot/fags aren't even familiar with the culture of LC. Anyone else remember this incident
>>2396578 ? It's clear that /ot/ is the central hub for newfaggotry and retards coming from social media.
If we got rid of /ot/ tomorrow, the cow boards would enter a renaissance.
Don't mention that it took me three tries to post this kek No. 2440210
>>2440179>Another thing is that the site’s already drying up and VPN bans are only gonna increase the drynessIf we look at the statistics compiled during the first Hellweek of 2024, which lasted two weeks and can be found here
>>>/meta/71238 we can see that only 13.4% of posts were made through a VPN. There was 27775 posts during that fortnight, so that means about 3722 posts were made with a VPN and about 24053 posts were made without one. I don't think the "without VPNs the site will die" argument is a very good one.
>>2440205Have you ever thought about following the rules or integrating to avoid those bans in the first place? Ban evaders are so dumb.
No. 2440219
>>2440209>understood thinking that you could tell users apart or somehow think that you're tracking several posters across threads or even the same threadI never said that. I thought I made it clear why I could tell kek. It went like this:
>"x is so stupid because of xyz">No, that's not true! Retard, it's not XYZ it's ABC.">"stupid faggot, abc is stupid">you must be retarded, because 123 and 456that last reply was then deleted and re-uploaded as
>You must be retarded, because 123 and 456.That delete and repost made it clear to me, and when they were banned for samefagging it was confirmation for me. This happened last summer, and I'm sure that it's still happening now. Even when nobody takes the baiters' bait, they will often take their own bait to try and get anons roped into it. It's artificial infighting.
No. 2440234
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>>2440219Because their bans depend who is the mod at the time. I got permanently banned back in like 2015 for posting in the Amina dujean thread and now look, it’s 2025 her thread is up and mods have no issue with it.
No. 2440266
>>2440234>Because their bans depend who is the mod at the timeYeah all of this, the moderation is an ever changing mess and the recent wave of mods just so happens to be the laziest which is the real issue. Like another anon said, basically every image board allows VPNs and is able to keep themselves decently moderated (including lolcow back in the day). And most anons seem to agree mods aren’t doing their job properly. There’s still going to be a lot of infighting and bait unless we get better mods, it’s been especially bad ever since late 2023
>>2440205Yeah I’ve seen some anons mention that there’s a whole ton of ways to ban evade, banning VPNs is just going to cause baiters and trolls to find another way that’s going to be way more difficult to manage
No. 2440315
>>2440266>mods "do their job">bad actors still just ban evadeAlso
>there’s a whole ton of ways to ban evade, banning VPNs is just going to cause baiters and trolls to find another wayKek is that a threat? At least those will then have to pay up for their privilege to shit up lolcow, because those options aren't free.
No. 2440342
>>2440200>Anyone else remember this incident?holy shit i clicked to the post and that is actually insane. i'd rather believe it was someone vpn hopping to leave those replies because i'm pretty shocked at how many replies it took for someone to point out that it was luna
>Then we have retards like 2439558 that actually think that infighting and baiting is "fun" and they come here specifically to do that gay shit.>It's clear that /ot/ is the central hub for newfaggotry and retards coming from social media.>If we got rid of /ot/ tomorrow, the cow boards would enter a renaissance.i agree with you nona. /ot/ has been cancer for way too long
No. 2440382
>>2440320hey mooovie anon. I remember that incident and it was bullshit. Everyone knows you weren't spamming. The person who banned you for asking about that gold star post never explained why, either. Just tried to distract by using the spam/raid thing. It was also really clear when one or two janny brown-nosers were commenting shit like, "I can't believe I was having conversations during moovie nights with a baiting spammer." Truly boneheaded attempts to paint you as something you're not.
Anyway anons from sensitive countries, idk if I'd trust admin/jannies with your info if you have to email them to even use the site. Just be careful I guess, we don't have any idea who these people are.
>>2440209There are definitely quirks for some posters, and it's not as simple as spelling or punctuation. But part of my work is identifying linguistic patterns, so maybe that is why I notice them. Not everyone but there are a couple particularly annoying posters that stand out. Once I even told one of them bc it was so blatant, and then I immediately caught a ban for some bullshit reason. What can you do…
No. 2440405
>>2440395i agree with your post. it would be fun to have random streams just going without an announcement. sometimes i check the cytube without going on LC so it would be fun to see
>plus there's the existing calendar we could use too.i was considering bringing that up tayrt, i was thinking of leaving this site sometime in the near future and i would probably rely on the calendar for moovie nights/productivity streams/ect
No. 2440772
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>Wednesday, March 12th Update
It's been a little over 24 hours since the poll launched. So far, there's been 223 votes.
>147 votes in support of a VPN ban
>76 votes against a VPN ban
It looks the pro-VPN crowd has made massive gains thus far, but it's still too early to determine whether or not the VPN ban proposal will make it through the legislature.
No. 2440800
>>2440795If you don't want a VPN ban, that's fine. But most anons have voted in favor of a VPN ban, which you can see looking at the results of the poll. If you need more help, you can refer to the picture in this
>>2439522 post
No. 2440826
>>2440822This.
I prefer to be fully anonymous. Why should the mods know about the extent of my retardation?
No. 2441000
>>2440990the mods are still unreliable at best, they've bullied anons across threads with whatever info they can access to (whether IP, post history, etc), that's
deeply concerning and it's a
valid complaint. Whatever measures you can get your hands onto to avoid these people to keep tabs on you shouldn't be prohibited
No. 2441007
Remember the time burritomin did a poll and went against what most anons actually voted for? Lolcow farms remembers
>>2441001NTA but the moovie night thread incident that was discussed earlier
No. 2441050
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I dont care so I think the nonnys should keep their vpn
No. 2441072
>>2441067But nothing you said has anything to do with VPNs?
>>2441069Yeah? I've used the site for years and nothing bad ever happened to me. That and VPNs don't hide you post history
No. 2441078
>>2441075Yeah but I don't understand what VPNs have to do with any of those cases
>>2441074Idk I've said some very retarded crazy schizo things before and the most I got was a 1 day ban and when I appealed and said sorry they unbanned me
No. 2441083
>>2441078A VPN would be useful for unfair (
not infighting) bans like those examples
No. 2441123
>>2441118Is this the same anon who got her IP revealed for talking about fucking
cat litter? Because that is the most innocent thing to samefag about, too.
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I don't really support it. Banning VPNs would just end up taking away a layer of privacy on the grounds that users here "can't behave". Ultimately, more anons need to learn to report bait, and not respond to it. It's hard sometimes when you see pure bullshit, but it's literally the only fucking way lol. You don't need to reply to every idiot, or any at all. Just hit report, let the mods handle it and then speak up in /meta/ if they don't.
Just like on 4chan with its own VPN ban, baiters and spammers will still sperg, particularly autistic ones will find workarounds and get away with it every time (some literally pay money and have been at it for years), anons will keep responding when they should report/ignore, and the VPN ban will just end up being a weird punishment for the legitimate farmers who do use them.
No. 2441185
>>2441179I don't think the anons who make it a habit to respond to bait particularly care if they get a little ban as long as they got to "own" the baiter (I also don't think anyone should be banned for longer than maybe 6 hours just for responding to bait).
The baiters keep coming back because they always get replies and reactions. Nothing for a scrote ban evade for if all that ever happens is that everyone ignores him and his shit gets deleted.
No. 2441205
>>2441190>>2441201None of the anons mentioned in
>>2441045 were shitposters. Moovie anon isn't a shitposter, stop assuming things
No. 2441212
>>2441205We're talking about people like
>>2439558 and the dozens of others that find immense joy in shitting up the board
No. 2441224
>>2441220ntayrt but nobody is talking about the anons you mentioned lol we're talking about the shitposters that use a vpn as a way to constantly evade bans and engage in stupid infights and bait
prime example is unpopular opinions. as mentioned in
>>2439625 when the vpn ban was on during december that thread was super slow and it wasn't as filled with bait and infighting as it is usually
No. 2441232
>>2441224would you compromise anons privacy over 4-5 shitposters that WILL find a way to fuck around eventually?
>prime example is unpopular opinionsit's almost like that thread should've been permanently nuked to begin with
No. 2441246
>>2441232>that thread should've been permanently nuked to begin withbut that doesn't work. we saw what happened with dumbass shit.
>would you compromise anons privacy over 4-5 shitpostersthere is way more than 4-5 shitposters kek. your privacy is compromised as soon as you post on this site, VPN or not. so few anons use VPNs to post to begin with that banning them won't make a big difference.
>>2441244admin has already assured those that need a VPN to post because of their countries of residence will have the option to do so
No. 2441313
>>2441288but they don't need to have your ip to have your post history.
>>2441309be for real
No. 2441328
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>>2441309They already can kek they can see your device model. Tbh I'm seeing more anger and fearmongering (albeit a bit required considering this is a girl chan board) what other alternatives can nonas suggest? Without hiring more mods?What do you think they should do to quell the rampant newfaggery (who refuse to integrate and try to become personalityfags attentionwhores) and troons and moids spaming cp including lolishit and shotashit which can land the site in trouble ( yeah yeah the CIA honeypots are a another thing) day by day we are seeing new users who only want to treat lolcow as if it were a discord server and not a gossip site for lolcows so much I've seen countless posts about deleting or locking cow threads. The consequences of dumbass shit and fandom discourse has been devastating for the board.
No. 2441354
>>2441346I'm not talking about
me though, this has been happening to other anons. There are risk to posting on imageboards but your safety shouldn't be compromised on regular basis wtf
No. 2441358
>>2441346Nta but this is literally a lolcow site, do you really think that mods here
aren't going to have a field day laughing at peoples post histories or have anons that they consider personal cows? If the staff on any imageboard were doing this, it would 100% be this one. It really isn't far fetched at all to think that this could be happening, if anything it's naive to think that it isn't.
No. 2441360
>>2441358i think that's crazy but even if it was true why would you care and why would you still use the site?
>>2441354>your safety shouldnt be compromisedwhat in the martyr complex is this supposed to mean kek
No. 2441364
>>2441356and then what happens when appealing doesn't work like here
>>2440320?
No. 2441372
>>2441344the "well-behaved" posters in question can try to appeal their ban or take it to /meta/. the first ban i ever received was retarded and broke no rules and i didn't notice until the next day when the ban was over. i took it to /meta/, it didn't get a response, i moved on.
>>2441364that's a specific case between that user and the admins, i don't know what to tell you. you or she could take it to /meta/ or email an admin
>>2441343kek, do you even know where you are?
>>2441358that's all the more reason for nonas to stop using this site as their personal diary. being on an anonymous imageboard doesn't make someone exempt from being made fun of. the cows on /snow/ get no special treatment because they post their shit publically on social media. if someone can't handle the idea of people reading your post history and potentially making fun of it then maybe they should reconsider what they're posting.
No. 2441412
>>2441372I don't know why we're pretending "contacting the admin" works in every case. There's one example in here if you'd read the thread back
>>>/ot/2440117 and this isn't even the only time I've heard of this happening.
>>2441278AYRT yes, everything you're saying makes sense to me. I think another problem is a weird combination of newfags being the new age zoomer/youngest millenial crowd who want websites and users to cater to their expectations of how the site should be, and oldfags who want things to stay the same forever. The annoying newfags should go back to shitting their pants on twitter, but I do feel bad for the oldfags. Of course we want our lolcor to be what it has always been, but the userbase and the internet are both changing, and so the way threads are used and what they're about will change.
And same as you, I've only been banned for derailing lately (on accident, wasn't thinking when replying to an anon). I'll fully admit that I used to get banned for infighting as a newfag, but those bans were good because they taught me how to not be a faggot.
We should be thinking of banning not as a solution, but rather as a teaching aid. Tiktok retard censors "suicide", gets banned for self censoring, tiktok user's next post is less retarded. Which is why farmhands should ban for responding to bait, and give longer bans to anons who keep doing it. Ad hoc VPN bans in threads should be a "solution" deployed when infights get out of control, and then multiday bans applied to the infighting anons.
>>2441335I like this idea! Yes, it sucks, but it would easily get rid of the retards who are too lazy to figure out the site. It doesn't even need to be permanent, they can be hidden over summer and on holiday breaks. And I don't think hiding them will be a board killer, I managed to find out about the current hidden boards without someone holding my hand.
Admins should hide boards more often, like when we get posted somewhere and /snow/ gets invaded. Then they can unhide when it calms down. Fuck it, temporarily change the board name while it's hidden and post about it somewhere on /meta/, I don't give a shit. Most people don't check /meta/ and have shit reading comprehension besides, we'd curve a bunch of low iq speds like this.
No. 2441426
>>2441418Even when I've gotten banned and it already expired by the time I got back to lc, I felt shame. This is normal response. For abnormal response, like stupid baiting in threads, deploy thread-specific VPN ban. Now when banning, anons can't VPN post, and anyone who tries to restart the infight gets banned on their bare naked IP.
Also, there should be frequent banning for bait and responding to bait in general. We're always going to get newfags, it keeps the site healthy. How are they meant to integrate if there aren't redtexts telling them what responding to bait or infighting looks like?
No. 2441439
>>2441412>I don't know why we're pretending "contacting the admin" works in every case. why are you replying to me? i never said it works in every case, i said these issues should be taken to /meta/. i didn't say contacting the admin would get a response because i'm not contacting admin. these specific examples of permabanned users should not be used as an argument for why baiters, scrotes, newfags and raiders should be allowed to switch IPs and ban evade and ruin the site for everyone. i have most threads hidden but yet i noticed a huge difference in the site during the Hellmas VPN ban. if someone is unfairly permabanned then that's between that user and the admins, it's not an argument to let retards run rampant. some of you are looking for reasons to justify your VPN usage
>>2439659>That was funny to witness. Really exposed the type of losers that post in that thread.absolutely nona, it really showed who's running those threads
>>2441426agreed
No. 2441453
>>2441438See
>>2441278 for why that won't work forever. Honestly, I don't even care if unpopular opinions and other similar threads have perma VPN bans. It would suck, but oh well.
No. 2441456
>>2441449Okay. Let's say tomorrow the farmhands compile every single one of my posts and make a page with every single one visible. So what? It's not like I've ever posted my face here or my legal name or my exact address or my social media accounts. So what if random anonymous people know about my random anonymous posts? Why would I care? It's anonymous. I don't care what anonymous people say about me online and I don't care if people see all my posts because they have no clue who I am or have any way of knowing who I am.
>>2441453So in effect, you'd want a VPN ban in every thread besides the niche ones that nobody uses? At that point why not just ban VPNs on all of /ot/?
No. 2441457
>>2441439>why are you replying to me?That is how this site works. I can reply to whoever I want, forever.
>some of you are looking for reasons to justify your VPN usageIt's weird you're treating VPNs like a criminal or immoral act? Anons can use VPNs whenever they want kek
No. 2441458
>>2441423>>2441425how is it fearmongering when the staff has proven to have done strange things numerous times…were you two just not around back then?
>>2441404no you don't get it discussing movies, venting in the vent thread, or using other threads appropriately and on-topic are bannable offenses and anyone banned for that deserves it duh. if you're against strange vendettas you're guilty
No. 2441475
>>2441328>what other alternatives can nonas suggest?I think bait and infighting posts should be deleted instead of just redtexted. CC mods do this.
And this
>>2441335 No. 2441478
>>2441450Talking about getting an UTI (a health concern) at the corresponding thread at /g/ is oversharing now? fuck off
>>2441469They're acting obtuse on purpose atp, i swear
No. 2441480
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Can we just ban Australians? They've been ruining images boards for a long time
No. 2441482
>>2441449>Everyone is aware that their posts are public and anyone can view them or laugh at them,i'm gonna be real with you nona, i'm not so sure about that. you can't say "everyone is aware" because only you are aware of your own thoughts and feelings and i don't think every single user posting on this site is aware of that. you're giving the jannies and admin way too much power. if you're that worried about what's going to happen to you over your post history, then you shouldn't be using this site. you're acting like /snow/, /pt/, and /w/ don't exist. the only difference i see between a group of people laughing at what PT says on facebook vs mods laughing at a random users post history is that they don't have a face to attach the posts to. your IP doesn't magically show the world your entire identity, you have the power and the choice to decide what you post, and i sure as hell am not posting about my personal life on here because i'm well-aware of the type of people who use this site
>>2441469if people don't want to be identified then they shouldn't be posting identifiable information on here, it's that simple
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>>2441480They also seem to be immune from bans. Isn't that weird?
No. 2441487
>>2441475I know I said banning should be used as a teaching aid. But fuck it, I wouldn't mind this, either. I'll try anything once, even twice.
>>2441456Honestly, the only threads I see crazy infighting in are unpopular opinions, confessions, fujocoomer, fandom discourse, and fujo vs antifujo. There are nasty anons in vent, but I think deleting those bitch ass replies would solve it. Occasional infights will break out in other adjacent threads, like in last thread in artist salt, but for the most part anons are really good at ignoring stupid shit in there and keeping disagreements tame. Gender ideology thread outright ignores seething trannies and promptly reports them on /meta/, it's a funny and impressive machine.
No. 2441508
>>2441469Anons that post in the friend finder thread forgo the right to anonymity by virtue of de-anonymizing themselves. If you wanted to post in the friend finder thread, you should have made a unique email or social media account.
>>2441490What are you even talking about at this point? If you don't share your personal details on this website, then there is no way for farmhands to identify you. I mean, at this point you should be more worried about the super autists that have tracked down personalityfags like Yuripedo, Rancefag, and BJchan on different social media platforms.
>>2441501But you are not protected by a VPN right now. The mods can still see your entire post history right now.
>>2441503Those bans are likely appealed. When I get banned for stupid shit like that and my appeals are accepted, the red text remains on my post even if the ban is no longer
valid. Besides, who really cares if they get banned for 6 hours? It's a glorified time out, and frankly some anons need that.
No. 2441515
>>2441508It's not even the length of the ban that's annoying but the stupidity and newfaggotry of whoever handed it out. It's about the principle.
>>2441511Burritomin part 2
No. 2441543
>>2441541What…? The VPN ban isn't in effect yet.
>>2441535Yeah, every post that is in support of a VPN ban is actually made by Cerbmin. That makes so much sense.
No. 2441576
>>2441574tbh it
is kinda weird this thread is at /ot/
No. 2441581
>>2441572"oooh I'm totally not them trust me oooh its a joke!" fuck OFF. FUCK OFF. bro stop being so obvious. fuck.
>>2441576thank you. it always should have been in /meta/ but they locked the thread and forced us here to make the "discussion" "organic" and then make obvious as fuck posts like this
>>2441563 No. 2441585
>>2441508>you should have made a unique email or social media account.I said what I said assuming this would be the case. Regardless of how unique the account is, a farmhand could still contact you and fuck with you, respond to your post and try to embarrass you in front of other anons, etc. You may think, "why would a farmhand risk their reputation like this?", but it's not like you could do much to prove that it was a farmhand abusing their powers. You could claim that it was happening all you wanted, but you wouldn't have actual proof. Other anons would just think you were a crazy schizo making nonsense claims, because what reason would they have to believe you?
>What are you even talking about at this point?So lets say, an anon is into a niche game, niche music and a particular type of fashion. She posts about these things in posts all seperate from eachother. If a farmhand really wanted to, they could look at her post history, combine all of these traits together, and look for her on various platforms. They have the power of the people who are able to track down personalityfags, except for everyone, and with much less effort required. This is also ignoring the implications that come with IPs revealing general location, which make matters considerably worse in this regard.
>But you are not protected by a VPN right nowWhy do you assume that us paranoid anons only use a VPN? I'm also taking other measures in combination with the VPN. It is still an integral part however.
Yes, I am very neurotic and paranoid, not going to deny that. But what I said still stands true.
No. 2441614
>>2441584But cerbmin is a trio of people
nonnie…not just one mysterious being kek
No. 2441616
>>2441613But
HOW would they track you down anon? How would they track you down based on your interests? You are not the only human being alive with those interests.
WHY would they care about tracking you down anyway?
No. 2441621
>>2441616she probably couldn't give you an answer because she's conveniently stepping out, as arguing is "pointless" and "silly" so she had to pompously announce her departure before storming off. but you're asking the real questions anon
>>2441619i think there's probably going to be a runoff poll to decide between VPN ban and ad hoc because of how the results look
No. 2441632
>>2441614nta but i stopped believing the trio meme after the long lack of, well everything kek. it's obvious that only one person runs lc now
>>2441619i thought the general conscious was that /ot/ needed it the most, while other boards vary depending on the thread. genuinely surprised the /ot/ option is only in third place
No. 2441641
>>2441534Nobody is going to track you down because of an obscure husbando unless you're being a super annoying personalityfag.
Seriously so many of you are just paranoid. Do you really think your posts are interesting enough for the farmhands to make fun of you about?
No. 2441655
>>2441642If you're implying that Zoomers don't know what VPNs are, you're dead wrong. VPNs have been well-known since the mid-2010s. Almost every popular influencer has had a sponsorship deal with a VPN provider. I'd say Zoomers are more likely to use a VPN than Millennials.
>>2441649>>2441651You can still see some that were posted in the Post-Hellmas thread on /ot/:
>>>/ot/2328032 No. 2441658
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>>2441642You hear that?
Dead wrong nona
No. 2441707
>>2441688>The VPN ban wouldn't make moderation any better because they refuse to moderate. the VPN ban would hold the fort for them while they're sleeping. Permabanned users couldn't hop on VPN when they notice a blackout and exploit the fact that there is no jannies online. baiting losers love to camp out in /meta/, they know when they can exploit the blackouts i mentioned
>If you truly believe that you would benefit from a VPN ban, I wonder what kind of shit you postwhy do you care? this has nothing to do with me. the only way i would be benefitting from the vpn ban is the same way i benefitted from it during Hellmas: i enjoyed browsing the site more than i normally did. that's it. this isn't about me benefitting from anything, it's about the health of the website & having a better integrated userbase. it's about people accepting the fact that they were banned for a couple hours instead of ban evading and dragging pointless infights across multiple threads and shitting up the whole website. scrotes post here and should be permabanned so they can't come back. people who routinely bait to the point of being permabanned should not be here, they are not contribiting to the site and would be the ones "benefitting" the most when there aren't stricter measures in place to keep these people out
No. 2442353
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>>2440772>Thursday, March 13th UpdateIt's been two days since the poll launched. So far, there's been 303 votes cast.
>193 votes for a VPN ban>110 votes against a VPN banLooks like the anti-ban crowd has seen some small gains since yesterday, but the pro-ban crowd is still in the lead by over 83 votes. Perhaps the most surprising element of this poll thus far is realizing how few anons actually check /meta/!
No. 2442384
>>2442369I'm not new which is why I've said that.
>>2442381Being sarcastic won't make you seem any less like a fake kek
No. 2442387
>>2442362I thought you might be exaggerating but then read the post you're replying to and you're actually downplaying it
>Thursday, March 13th Update, To wit, I have found nothing wrong with this remote place, and I must admit it will be with some melancholy that I will leave this island and return home.KEKK these updates are hilarious
No. 2442416
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Remember
No. 2442728
>>2442384>if a farmer has a different opinion than me she can't be realGrow up.
>>2442720Exactly.
No. 2442985
>>2442416KEK. Hadn't seen this in a minute but so true.
>>2442549Might not stop them but makes it harder, for sure.
No. 2442988
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>>2442972>>2442972No need google, its a bird I checked
No. 2443006
>>2441585Jesus christ. No one is coming for you dime a dozen fujos, chill. You sound so fucking boring. If having lolifag pedo wallscrolls isn't considered milk anymore, what makes you think you're a big enough cow to go to all that trouble for? If they had the savvy and time to invest, you wouldn't even hit their radar.
>>2442970This 1000 times.
No. 2443021
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The amount of narcs iit that think farmhands give any shit about some anonymous retards that they'll go out of their way to look for them, sorry but fanfiction isnt reality
No. 2443035
>>2443021They don't really
believe that, they're throwing whatever at the wall to see what sticks to fear-monger and convince anons to vote against a VPN ban. They think if they say something enough times, we'll all believe it. They know that the majority of anons on /ot/ want a VPN ban because we all saw what happened in December, and specifically, what happened when they turned the December ban off.
No. 2443064
>>2442992i didn’t even say anything mean in response to her? i was just agreeing with the very true fact that farmhands are not stalking you and don’t care about you
>>2443034i’m sorry i don’t understand what any of this is supposed to mean. posting incoherence like this in response to average posts isn’t a great from of infight baiting
No. 2443110
>>2443045I will not respond to you A-logging to my shitpost.
>>2443064Why are you defending farmhands so much Anon? Theyre jannies who moderate a public forum. Stop eating them out.
No. 2443337
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>>2443219cause trying to be quirky copypasta esque responses like that are always kinda cringe no matter what the topic of discussion might me. also i googled it and it looks like that’s not the case nona..
No. 2443716
>>2443707They could post the milk on another imageboard instead.
>>2443579CC banned VPNs?
No. 2443732
>>2443707There's been a lot of farmers lately who keep insisting jannies are obsessed with them and their post histories, this seems like the longform fanfic version of that tale. Also no one cares what happens on discord, outside of things that can be legally reported like child porn. The idea that farmers would be upset or embarrassed by the idea of
anyone "laughing at them on discord" is sort of like the fat guy ordering diet pepsi from mcdonalds meme. It's really irrelevant what they're doing on discord, they're on discord
No. 2443924
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>>2442353>Friday, March 14th UpdateIt's been three days since the poll launched. So far, there's been 321 votes cast.
>212 votes for a VPN ban>130 votes against a VPN banAnother 39 votes were cast since the last poll update. The pro-VPN ban crowd is still in the lead by 82 votes.
No. 2443951
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>>2443153NTA, but they are. Ex-farmhands have admitted it over the years. Even if you're dedicated to the idea that all of those posters are liars and LARPers, think for a second about the kind of person who would be on a site like this, then the kind who'd moderate it, and then the kind who'd moderate it
for free. You have the choice to get over it and post whatever you want anyway, or decide to tailor your posts around the idea of impressing a stranger (or obscuring certain facts about your life that you don't want to be laughed at), but if they're pissed at you or someone's just curious, it'll happen and you can't stop it. And anyone who's been here long enough knows that we've had all kinds of stable and unstable people in the mod and admin team.
I won't talk about the Discord servers because I don't know much about them, but yeah, some of the things said about them are true. I think it makes sense to want to hide some things, like your location.
No. 2443974
>>2443956A janny didn't compile the posts. It was one of the autistic farmers of the same stock that identified BJchan's posts on Reddit and discovered Yuripedo's identity. You should be more worried about these autists rather than mods that are too busy moderate half the day.
>>2443967How would the jannies figure out anything about you? Use your brain for a minute. You shouldn't be posting personal information on here that could identify you to begin with.
If you really cared so much about post history and personal identity and location revealing, you'd be up in arms about EXIF scrapping too, but you aren't because you don't really care about any of those things you just wanna be able to evade bans easily.
No. 2443984
>>2443974? I do think it's wrong for LC to not remove EXIF data from photos. That's why I don't post personal photos here, but I wouldn't blame another anon if she got some weirdo stalking her because she posted a photo of her desk or something here. I thought Cerbmin mentioned doing something about that in an update, but maybe I'm wrong.
I think the way you're accusing people of things for not sharing your exact viewpoint is overly defensive and weird. I'm just saying that farmhands actually do look through people's post history at will, and there's no mental evaluation for who gets to be a janny on lolcow.farm. About all there is to trust is that they're most likely female (and you better hope no one has a weird boyfriend they share every single thing with).
No. 2443986
>>2442961>now it's nonas crying they can't post about their UTIs. I hate /ot/ only newfaggotsBathroom talk its at /g/, retard
>>2443974>How would the jannies figure out anything about you? >You shouldn't be posting personal information on here that could identify you to begin withNta but you don't need personal info to compile data on somebody, just enough details + location to narrow things down. If random autists can do it, a group of people with access to such information could do so even faster
No. 2444130
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>>2440818Yeah, obviously. If we look at the statistics provided in
>>>/meta/71238 we can see how few anons are using VPNs. In the 14 day period, there were about 1984 posts made per day. Since 13.4% of posts were made via a VPN, that means about 266 posts were made per day with a VPN. It would have been helpful if they showed statistics about how many bans are issued for posts that were made through a VPN. It sucks that a lot of regular users will have to give up their VPN use because of a small sect of rabid rule-breakers, but there's so few of them to begin with that it's hard to feel bad for them.
No. 2444658
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since its likely the vpn bad wont go through there should be a thread dedicated to VPN bans via public/free VPN services. here's mine
No. 2444744
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>>2440963nta, I would volunteer if it means maintaining an online space for women to express their honest opinions anonymously without fear of scrutiny or repercussion.
>inb4 what if mods track your post history youre not actually anonymousthere are no accounts, unless you've posted your full government name and face there is no way to actually pin you to the posts you've made on LC even if a vendettafag finds your accounts/job.
>What about artwork I posted on the siteJust say it was reuploaded by someone else, dumb excuse but theres no way of proving otherwise.
>What if I said a hyperspecific thing that only applies to me?The world is big, theres probably at least 2 people who had the same experiences as you.
If your location is discovered by your IP it can go either one or two ways:
>You live in a big city so its arduous to actually track you within a large population>You live in a small area, but its the middle of bumfuck nowhere so whos going to take the effort of transporting there or sending blackmail to a normie workplace with evidence that has no bearing to you because of the lack of account/precise identification. No. 2444830
>>2444676>>2444677The pro-VPN ban is split between 4 options, whereas the anti-VPN ban only has one option. So looking at
>>2443924 we can see that 38% of voters are opposed to a VPN ban, and 62% are support a VPN ban.
No. 2444853
>>2444834If we take the stats from
>>2444130 and extrapolate, there's on average 83 posts made per hour. If 13% of posts are made through a VPN, then that means about 11 posts are made every hour through a VPN and 72 are made every hour without a VPN. You're overestimating how many anons use VPNs to post here and you're overestimating how many posts those users make.
>>2444849Cerb should have thought more about how to conduct the poll. It comes off as rushed or like they didn't get any feedback on it before posting. If the anti VPN ban option wins, then the majority of the voters will feel alienated because the majority of voters wanted a VPN ban.
No. 2444862
>>2444856If you were paying attention in December, you might have noticed that a lot of the VPNtards congregated on CC to whine about being unable to post bait and infight during the VPN ban. I think that a lot of them are really scared by the prospect of a VPN ban because it would mean an end to one of their favorite hobbies. I don't think everybody that uses a VPN is a chronic ban evader, but I do think that the chronic ban evaders are the loudest and most vocal type of VPNtard.
>>2444857Not really, no.
No. 2444891
>>2444863Ntayrt but
>banned on an ad hoc basisIs the current status quo. It's like how they banned VPNs in the Amerifags thread during the election cycle (which immediately got rid of virtually all baiting and infighting). The other 4 options would have a substantial change. I still don't know why the other options were included. It seems like the majority of anons that wanted a VPN ban specifically said they wanted it for /ot/ only or /ot/ and /g/. The poll should have just been two options, not 5. I wish Cerb used the site more and actually communicated with us, it would have solved a lot of problems.
No. 2444915
>>2444910If their statistics were false would you care to share with us the actual data?
>>2444911But the stats they posted do share with us how many people used VPN’s when posting their comments and how many didn’t, it was about 13.8% of VPN IP’s, so that means around 86.2% of the rest of the comments were posted by anons using their personal IP addresses.
No. 2444917
>>2444906nta but that’s exactly what it means retard KEK? lurking with a vpn means nothing, whoever is
posting with a vpn is a
POSTER who is using vpn.
No. 2444932
>>2444899The problem with this is that it doesn't work. Unpopular Opinions was never a problem thread until Dumbass Shit was autosaged and all the newfags that lived in that thread migrated there. If Unpopular Opinions and Fandom were hit with a VPN ban, the freaks that live in those threads would migrate out into new ones to shit up.
>>2444915>>2444917You're interpreting the data wrong. Look at
>>2444130 again and read what it says.
>% of posts that are by VPN users>13.4%So that means of the 27775 posts made in the 2 weeks, 3722 were made through a VPN. For all we know, that could be 2 VPN users that each made 1886 posts each. We have no way of knowing how many users actively use a VPN, only the amount of posts that were made
through a VPN.
>>2444922>I thought it meant that would happen more oftenThis is the problem with the ad hoc option; it's dependent on active moderators. We have really poor moderation here. If one thread needs an ad hoc ban at 12 o'clock, by the time moderators are active to do something about it it might already be 3 o'clock and the thread no longer needs one.
No. 2444939
>>2444936Oh yeah I know it doesn’t give us a specific, singular number of "how many anons" are using a VPN, and I’m not concerned about “how many” are using a VPN. I’m concerned about VPN users having the ability to ban evade. And sure, 13.4% of
posts might not be 13.4% of
individuals, but less than 15% of comments still isn’t the majority.
No. 2444943
>>2444939I understand, I just don't think it's appropriate to make claims that can't be backed up. We don't know how many anons regularly use a VPN, but it's clear that the vast majority of anons post without using one. That's why it's so strange seeing so many posts like
>>2444834 because it's obvious that VPN users are a very small minority on LCF. If a VPN did go into effect site-wide, the site would slow down by less than 15%.
Ban evasion is the number one reason that I'm in support of a blanket VPN ban on /ot/. I'm tired of the farmhands having no real way to counter the retards that consistently evade bans. Besides being annoying, it's also a massive waste of staff time to have to deal with these people. I don't think that a VPN ban would be useful on the cow boards because I don't think ban evasion is as prevalent anywhere else on the site as it is on /ot/. I also think that some farmers would appreciate the security provided by a VPN when posting milk.
No. 2444950
>>2444946I didn't say that it wasn't a problem before that, but I think that it's true that it's gotten significantly worse since the Dumbass Shit thread was autosaged. It's gotten especially fast since 2024.
>>24449474ch has an infinitely larger userbase and staff team than LC has. Comparing LC to 4ch is like comparing apples to oranges. Just because they're both IBs doesn't mean they're more similar than that.
No. 2444966
>>2444943> I just don't think it's appropriate to make claims that can't be backed upI know that ____ speaking you could say it’s a “claim that can’t be backed up” but come on, we do essentially know how many posts on LC are made by VPN’s, even if we don’t technically know how many VPNfags exist.
Sorry I had to include a space. I can’t remember the word I want to use but I don’t want to change my sentence so I just moved on without it>>2444956NTAYRT but 13.4% of posts does sound like the actual minority, I’m sorry anon.
No. 2444970
>>2444950Samefag, just to back up my point: From 2016-2023, there was 108 Unpopular Opinions threads. In 2024 alone there were 56 threads made. I think that the threads sped up significantly once Dumbass Shit was autosaged.
>>2444953>>2444959Range bans would prevent them from posting again, no matter what they do. That's why we need to get rid of VPNs, because once ban evaders are stuck relying on their home IPs they can be properly dealt with through range bans.
>>2444963Stop engaging. It's obvious that it's just schizobabble. Don't bother.
No. 2444991
>>2444970A range ban risks way too many random people who haven’t done anything getting banned which is why they’re heavily criticized
>>2444953This is just one of the reasons why a VPN ban shouldn’t happen, it’s basically pointless and not even a band-aid solution. They’re just one of the many ways people ban evade. When it was mentioned earlier nonnies said it was a threat to raid lolcow and that you would have to pay to do any other option which are both false. This is why I agree that it’s lazy moderation’s fault. Because if you looked at the site before the 2022-2023 moderator change there was way less bullshit. Like that other anon said, 2023 and 2024 alone had way more spamming and infighting going on than the years prior. Even the 2021 Creepshow outing caused less insanity and that brought in a whole ton of new friends that the old mods were able to deal with well, I’m convinced that if an incident like that happened today there would be barely any moderation and the site would just go to spammed shit until the storm cleared
No. 2445001
>>2444991Actually I think the new image detection tool that Cerb implemented early on helped curb a lot of the more nasty raids containing CSAM and gore. I remember there being way more raids before Cerbmin took control.
I don't think range bans deserve the criticism they get. If there's an anon that's caught up in a range ban, all they have to do is email the admin to get their IP unblocked. It takes less than a day to resolve.
No. 2445019
>>2445005>>2445007If you're referring to the Hellweek stats, it means there was at least one post from 5681 devices, but not every one of those devices was limited to one IP. So, for example, if someone uses LCF on her phone, she might post something from her home IP, then her cell data IP, then her work IP. So that's 1 device tied to 3 IPs. This explains why there's a discrepancy between the number of devices and the number of IPs. It's important to remember that those stats aren't counting those that lurk. I know some farmers that use this site everyday, but only post once or twice a month.
>>2445006Yeah, I can't remember the last time I saw any CSAM on here. I think it still happens occasionally if we go by what's reported in /meta/, but for the most part I think it's a thing of the past. The bad image detection tool, the image recovery, and the catalog update are probably the best things Cerbmin has done as admin so far.
No. 2445438
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>>2443924>Saturday March 15th UpdateWith only 3 days left until the poll closes, 370 votes have already been cast.
>226 votes for a VPN ban>144 votes against a VPN ban28 votes were cast since the last update on Friday. The pro-VPN ban crowd remains in the lead by 82 votes
No. 2445527
>>2445453>>2445474It would've been a better structure to have a simple yes/no poll, then a second question like "If yes, then how should it be implemented?" with the other 4 options listed. No matter the outcome, there's going to be frustration and comments like
>>2444834 questioning the results. They basically set themselves up for failure.
No. 2446228
>>2446139Nta but not even a tinfoil if you saw what happened with the "good moid stories" thread. I'll link again since everyone seems to have goldfish memory now
>>>/meta/84869Even cerbmin had to step in to remove that specific farmhand's privileges. And the many other times where telling infighters to go away results in a ban while the actual infighters still go on and evade for hours
No. 2446972
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>>2445438>Sunday March 16th UpdateOnly 2 days left for the poll! 19 more votes were cast since yesterday morning, bringing the total number of votes cast to 389.
>236 votes for a VPN ban>153 votes against a VPN ban60.7% of anons are looking forward to a VPN ban, while 39.3% of anons are against one.
No. 2447411
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1) make an .onion website
2) >(e.g. Russia: I am literally posting using a VPN with a Екатеринбург server. Since the admin for this website is not aware of the fact that commies did more for women than any of your half arsed attempt at being edgy, this is clearly a DMO for the Great Satan. Hardly anyone trully in danger will sell their data to the CIA. Therefore the need for using VPN is absolutely absent.
3) make a .onion website
4) I don't want to get banned because I'm not larping as a stereotypical wombyn
5) did I already tell you to make an .onion website?
6) because of the USA PATRIOT Act, VPNs are forced to give the encrypted data and the keys for said encrypted data to the CIA whenever the CIA asks for it. The land of the free will fuck you up if muh China will ask them nicely enough (Google which countries own the most US debt).
7) there is literally no reason to make a .onion website, since Tor uses PRISM infrastructure. You are fucked anyway. PRISM was used in Afghanistan, my dears. 79% of all Tor nodes are hosted within 14 Eyes Survaillance Countries. The CIA is backing the Taliban. Iran, Nigeria and all the countries that could kill you for your opinions have literally 0 organizations managing any of the DNS root servers. Your data is handled by the CIA and then sent to the local glowies who will slit your throat. If you are not dangerous to the richniggers in Beverly Hills, you are not dangerous to the CIA, which means you are also not dangerous to the local glowies. Therefore banning VPN is literally just to ban all the retarded trannies, the cunts who are too autistic to "integrate" and the moids who want their minute of attention from the trannies that didn't post their girldick (yet).
8) lets be fucking honest here, the complete fucking absence of raw data and non-idealist utopic fantasies in any of your "I hate men" posts makes any of you cunts completely harmless. The autism of the feminists of yore is long gone, now it's all a larp from affluent, middle-class, urban, western cultures.
9) the real deal is on mainstream websites, where women scare the moids by talking about stuff that moids don't like. There is literally 0 femcel booktuber who is getting harassed right now, because the average moid is going to get filtered by the 2 hours long videoessay on the Handmaid's tale.
10) the same applies to the Iranian girls: they will not hop on le obscure website that focuses on american lolcows. They will talk on the iranian (or whatever else their country is) mainstream websites/collectives/systems, and create stuff from there.
11) you create opposition not from formal affirmation, but from practical confirmation. Which lolcow does not do.
For all these reason, VPN is for paranoid women, and for moids who don't know how long is the ban for breaking Article 4 point 3 of the Global Rules. Supporting the VPN unban equals to: perpetuate the presence of moids and the enabling of paranoids.
Therefore, I vote in favour of the VPN unban. I don't wanna get framed.(schizo)
No. 2447921
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>>2447909yeah 13.4% is huge. totally. here btw, i think you dropped your jacket. you should put it back on, it's really chilly.
No. 2448526
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>>2446972>Monday March 17th UpdateAnother 27 votes were cast yesterday, bringing us to nearly 420 votes.
>255 votes for a VPN ban>161 votes against a VPN ban61.3% of anons have voted in favour of some form of VPN ban, whereas 38.7% have voted to keep the status quo.
No. 2448862
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We did it
No. 2449268
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Might stop posting all together if the vpn ban comes through, i'm currently renting and i don't want my landlord/management company to know what i get up to since they can see everything that goes through the router. I'll miss you nonas.
No. 2450451
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>>2448526>Tuesday March 18th UpdateWell, there's less than 7 hours left until the poll ends. Anons are anxiously waiting to see which side will win, although based on the current numbers, it's safe to say that the pro-ban crowd had the most voters.
>266 votes for a VPN ban>170 votes against a VPN banThe numbers have been pretty consistent in the past few days, just over 60% of voters want to see some form of a VPN ban, whereas just under 40% of users wish to continue with the status quo.
No. 2451962
Poll results:
>Banned on all boards:98 votes (21.8%)
>Banned on all boards, excluding the hidden board: 30 votes (6.7%)
>Banned on all off topic boards and on an ad hoc basis for individual milk board threads: 62 votes (13.8%)
>Banned on /ot/ and on an ad hoc basis for threads on all other boards: 80 votes (17.8%)
>Banned only on an ad hoc basis: 179 votes (39.9%)
>Total votes: 449
A runoff vote has been posted:
>>>/meta/91747 No. 2451963
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A VPN BAN IS COMING INTO EFFECTWell anons, we did it. We finally voted, democratically, for an end to the reign of terror that has plagued our farm. A run-off poll has been set up to vote to the extent of the VPN ban.
Vote here in the new run-off poll:
>>>/meta/91747ITT:
>Share which option you voted for.>Share why you voted for that option.>Share the ways in which you think a VPN ban will positively benefit LC. No. 2451982
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>>2451963>We finally voted, democratically, for an end to the reign of terror that has plagued our farmTy patron saint of ireland, ty anons
No. 2451985
>>2451972I think banning on only /ot/ makes the most sense. I don't think /g/ or /m/ will pose a major problem for rule-breaking, and if there needs to be a VPN ban in any of the threads the farmhands will have the ability to apply one anyway.
I don't think a VPN ban is necessary for the cow boards at all. I think the moderation on them is really good and responsive, so I struggle to understand why we'd need a VPN ban on them. Part of the reason why /ot/ needs a VPN so badly to begin with is because the moderation for this board is so poor.
No. 2452070
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You've all been played - the poll was worth jackshit. The admin is laughing in your faces. Even if the vote had been 99.9% against VPN banning, they would still get banned. Learn how to notice when you're being manipulated.
No. 2452415
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>>2452070I mean yeah, it's a bizarre gambit to block out the option that had so many votes. Seems like they wanted to do this from the start, the poll was just a way to make it seem more democratic than it was. Oh, well.
No. 2452507
>>2452499shitty comparison imo
>>2452460 whats stopping them from just switching to phone? i can imagine this ban being put out and absolutely nothing changes. 60% of users are probably evading a sage ban right now.
No. 2452511
>>2452460Range bans.
>>2452507>60% of users are probably evading a sage ban right nowKek no way you actually believe this?
No. 2453057
>>2453021it was a lot slower at first but it sorta came back to homeostasis after a while, we always bounce back
>>2453025nona i'm glad you didn't see some of the raids that we were getting (between 21-23, my memory will fail me esp bcus i don't want to remember), i left the site for quite a while after some of them and i'm sure i wasn't the only one. it was fucking bad
>>2453050>>2453052you and your "lolcow is for LOLCOWS ONLY, ITS IN THE NAME!!!" are so obviously the newfags here. what is with this sudden influx of retards insisting that a main part of this site get removed/scrubbed?
hide the conversational/shitpost-y threads if you hate them so much you fucking weirdos. go back to reddit if you can't get over it.
No. 2453074
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>>2453070>pure>sanctifiedLC is more like an ecosystem, similar to picrel. Newfags can become naturalized or invasive species
No. 2453076
>>2453068I was using sanctity jokingly
>you're schizophrenic.You move the goalpost because you don't have anything else to say to the truth. If someone you disagree with isn't a newfag, they're a schizo. Suddenly, the argument is only one sided and
you aren't also arguing, it's just whoever is disagreeing with you. What next, I'm a man? A glowie? It's like trying to reason with children.
No. 2453087
>>2453070i feel bad for anons like her, they've got such an insane need to control everything. if i were a computer genius i'd make an lc mirror site that has no fun, no jokes, no topical discussions, only cows and milk, so they can finally be at peace.
>>2453075this is why we had dedicated shitpost threads. you get banned for shitposting outside of containment threads. now we have unpopular opinions and mundane shit getting shitted up, which people are rightfully upset about.
>>2453076>I was using sanctity jokinglyanon, no you weren't. you are mad that you aren't a mod or admin with total control over the site getting to dictate who says what, where, and when.
>If someone you disagree with isn't a newfagno, you are still a newfag
>they're a schizoyes. that is what you are
No. 2453098
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>>2452070Right. This is ridiculous. The majority was for a ban on an "ad hoc basis" and the second poll was supposed be only in case there's no clear answer, which there was. Yet now we have to pick between completely banned or banned on some of the boards. I pray the traffic drop like crazy overnight. The thread pic saying "pure democracy" is hilarious.
No. 2453119
>>2453106>"if i can't have it then nobody can!!" 6 year old mentality.How is this about
me? If the majority of users had voted in favor of the vpn ban, I would have accepted it, but the majority was against it, that's what my entire post was about.
>>2453114I deleted it to repost, it was completely unrelated to your retarded answer. You can't accept that the majority disagrees with you on the vpn ban debate and project it on me for some reason
No. 2453166
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I like my vpn to bypass floodposting
No. 2453167
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>>2453102the version of lc in your head does not, and has never existed, schizo. get off of /ot/ or shut the fuck up about it
No. 2453186
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>>2453181>>2453182But none of the options even showed a 61…I think I'm just too retarded for polls I give up. Where did 61 even come from
No. 2453190
>>2453186the poll only had one "no" and the rest were "yes" with qualifiers. if the poll was ban y/n, no only got 39% of the votes meaning yes got 61%. all of the other options to ban them in
some way accounted for a bigger number of users. the poll wasn't pitting those options against eachother directly, it's bracketed because it's a fucking runoff poll.
No. 2453309
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Where do we migrate to from now on? Crystal Cafe is kind of on life support. Fujochan is mostly for fujo stuff, but they do have an /ot/ board for general stuff.
No. 2453314
>>2453295i thought UK was
terf central according to trannies? why are they always making up shit, what a bunch of fags
No. 2453400
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>>2453389Man, I really don't want to go to KF, it's full of racists and autistic men. I wish there were other alternatives to a female board. CC is in zombie-mode now and gets shitted up by pedotroons. Fujochan might work, I'm not against BL in any way.
No. 2453406
>>2439495Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but back during the VPN ban month I saw absolutely no change in infighting and baiting, it persisted just the same because the userbase is just overall schizophrenic and retarded and only come here to have slapfights.
Another argument against the VPN ban being that this site started off as a honeypot for shoeonhead to gather the IPs of the people who were posting shit about her. The staff and admin are completely anonymous so nobody knows who we're giving our IPs and location to. Maybe if you live in a place like New York it's not that serious, but if you for example live in an area or a country not many farmers post from it can be sensitive information. People would also be incentivized against sharing milk on cows because it could put them at risk as, once again, we have no idea who are involved with the staff.
No. 2453415
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>>2453375ARRRRR! Cheers, matey!
No. 2453626
>>2453546Because it was completely arbitrary to split the poll between "least harsh VPN ban" option and "everything else".
39% was twice as much as the option for the harshest VPN ban: of the two extremes it is evident that a VPN ban on all boards is supported only by a small minority. Why not put the option that won the relative majority in the runoff poll? The results were clear: there is a strong anti-VPN ban sentiment that is getting silenced. Stronger than the pro-VPN ban and any of the options that would compromise the two (which, btw, are pointing toward a more anti-VPN ban opinion anyway).
I've got a law degree, this shit gave me an aneurysm. They should ask a polsci cow for stuff like this.
No. 2453676
>>2453636We get it, you really like the VPN ban. We are not talking about that. We are talking about the poll they made, willingly. No one forced them. And yet they disregarded it almost completely.
If you agree with them disregarding it and proceed to namecall everyone that disagrees with you, good for you. But understand that others have other priorities than yours. And these people are more numerous than those who agree with you.
And if the purpose of the poll was to adhere to the result, they failed to do so.
Unless you can give me another reason for them to make this poll, except for "they are gods that have no obligation toward us mere mortals" (because in that case how fucking sociopathic would that make them?), they handled all of this really poorly, whatever is your position in regards to the VPN ban.
No. 2453684
>>2453676I can't be bothered to go find the posts but you can read /meta/ for yourself, multiple users asked cerbmin for this and they agreed very early into the vote that they would do a runoff. I think on the first day of it even being out. The reason being that they structured the poll like shit.
Please at least acknowledge this: if they had done it properly and made a poll that was "should there be a VPN ban on one or more boards? yes/no", "yes" would have got 60% of the vote. What they have done is treat the first poll like it was structured that way and made this second poll to get the actual result.
No. 2453696
>>2453583People who value privacy and opsec know that VPNs aren't a holy grail. That's why Zoomers are so obsessed with VPNs
>>2453418The crash out is making my sides hurt. You can tell a lot of them are crying
No. 2453721
>>2453671>You are in the minority.A minority that won the relative majority (majority, I repeat) vote.
You are just trying to justify the split between the options, which afaik wasn't stated explicitly in the poll.
This nona >2439522 made it up.
I disagree with it. I explained how I would have structured the runoff poll. I will not use the interpretation of a random lc user, simple as. The first poll had a winner that was not considered in the followup poll.
>>2453684Well, not everyone is 24/7 on lolcow talking to cerbmin and the farmhands. Some have better things to do.
>IfIf my grandma had two wheels she would have been a bicycle. We will never know the result of a different poll. Might be a vocal minority who contacted the admin. Actually, it is evident that it was a vocal minority, since the majority voted for the status quo.
I can only concede that the popular vote wasn't won by the anti-VPN ban option. But that doesn't mean that I need a PhD to vote in a website for gossip.
No. 2453730
>>2453583It's so frustrating because there are multiple examples of mods going haywire, the best example being the ex mod who shared literally all of manifesto-chan's posts she had put together during her time as a moderator for absolutely no reason other than "wanting to preserve her spirit" or something.
For all anti-VPN anons, think about it for a second: you share milk on a cow in /snow/. Next, from the same IP address, you vent about very personal issues in the vent thread or anonymously ask help for an embarrassing problem in /g/. A mod just happens to be a whiteknight for that cow and checks your location according to your IP and device information up and sees your activity timeline, adding together the times you're posting. They have a whole lot of data on you to make a guesstimate on your identity, that's why the staff has been able to flag posts from cows who break the rules. It's not being paranoid, like mentioned this site already has a history of being a honey pot. The most retarded posters won't be repelled by a VPN ban anyway because they're too tech illiterate to even use a VPN or underage poorfags who can't afford one anyway.
No. 2453756
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>>2453730>young people don't use vpnsthis is repeated so often but its not true lol. most studies show that more zoomers use a vpn than millennials do. for the past 5 years almost every influencer has had a sponsership deal with a major vpn provider. certain browsers like opera even have vpn service built in.
https://www.top10vpn.com/assets/2020/03/Top10VPN-GWI-Global-VPN-Usage-Report-2020.pdf No. 2453768
>>2453730You're right, but I feel like there are too many new and maybe really young users to remember or even comprehend this. They weren't here before (a lot of them might not even have known about the shoe0nhead stuff), so they're going to act like the things you're saying don't ever happen up until something creepy happens to them personally, and they're ignoring how this is basically self-doxxing for users unlucky enough to live in a small town or uncommon country kek.
Also, the "What about your user agent? VPNs don't mean anything when your device is visible" argument is kind of pointless since most privacy-oriented people use user agent switchers anyway, but I get that people more on the zoomer/gen alpha end and even a lot of millenials aren't so aware of things like that yet.
No. 2453792
>>2453782So, in effect, we'd only be allowed to say anything bad about males in anti-trans threads?
>Not everyone is a crypto. Some of us hate trannies online and offline.Most women don't have that privilege unless they live in a thirdie country where no one cares. In the UK, random moms have been getting arrested and having their devices seized for saying men aren't women on Twitter.
No. 2453839
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>>2453756>me using a vpn means i am on the same level of a post graduate i wish i was in the top 20% income bracket too
No. 2454924
>>2453369>I think I want to resurrect PULL and just hide out in there nowPULL is borderline unusable and all the good threads (ie the Yandere Dev one) were lost years ago and are dead now. Guru Gossip may be better because it’s like KF but less moid-y, like PULL but more usable and more active, and like lolcow albeit more sensitive and with less interesting cows but we could probably migrate a few from here over there
>>2453375No thank you, everything about this screams “disguised virus” to me if I may be honest
>>2454777Same for Crystal Cafe, Lolcow is really the last of its kind since all other image boards are either incel sites that are so large they’re out of mod control (4chan/8chan) or dead in the water (CC) and all the dead in the water ones can do is desperately beg for life by giving a place for people to complain about the last one truly standing
No. 2455604
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The VPN Ban is Nearly Here. Soon these BAITERS and LOSERS will be BANNED FOREVER! MAKE LOLCOW GREAT AGAIN!
No. 2456202
>>2456176>the VPN ban will solve many issuesWill it? I'm not overly convinced that it will do anything or make anons less annoying and infighty, if jannies are asleep for half the day you can still get like 8 hour infights with the ban. Sure, it'll make permabans have more of an impact but there's ways to get around that without a vpn.
>inb4 VPNfag reee!I voted for one for /ot/ so you guys get what you want and realise it didn't do squat and then you'll whinge about something else. I do not care for majority of /ot/ and I lurk more than I post.
No. 2456214
>>2456202I think it will, personally. I also voted for only /ot/ because /ot/ is the shittiest board. I don't foresee serious issues with VPN posting on the other boards, especially the cow boards. I wish they'd nuke /ot/ already. If you look at the complaints thread in /meta/, almost every complaint has to do with something happening on /ot/. The only reason I support a VPN to begin with is because there are way too many idiots that evade their permab&s. Without effective bans, integration is a lost art.
>>2456211When did I say I was an oldfag?
No. 2456215
>>2456214oh my bad i thought you were this
>>2456150 anon replying to me.
No. 2456489
>>2456482>the best advertisement for the VPN banLove the gaslighters in these threads fearmongering as if hellweek didnt also ban VPN kek where was the
muh privacy back then?
No. 2456968
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>>2456942>rhymes with gro-pon.Do you mean Crow-Con? Birds need VPNs too, this is discrimination Caaw!!
No. 2457912
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Only 37% of users are for including the ban in the cow boards. The votes against banning vpns in the cow board shouldn't have been split like this.
No. 2457938
>>2457912Many anons have been saying the poll is rigged to give admin what she wants and I agree. I wish she had just instituted it on her own, but I understand that she did the poll to protect herself from vitriol.
Another anon mentioned that no VPN bans were implemented to deal with past raids, and this is how I remember it as well. We haven't been getting raided lately but there's still going to be a ban?
And why didn't we even try to ban VPNs on an ad-hoc basis first, before resorting to site-wide or half the site? Amerifags, fandom, and maybe one more thread had VPN bans on them for ONE thread and then never again. There was the surprise Hellmas that came with a VPN ban. Mods didn't even try turning VPN bans during dead hours (overnight Pacific Time) and weekends.
I'm still of the belief farmers could manage themselves just fine without mods being online 24/7. I remember that being the case at times in the past. I ignore bait because I'm a grown adult. I hide images and threads that bother me. I don't see why it matters so much lately that jannies are on scene IMMEDIATELY. We should be ignoring bait, reporting it and any infighting, hiding any spam, and being patient. Then jannies should sweep in and ban or delete any trolls, and give very lengthy bans for responding to bait.
Again, VPN ban is going to be implemented no matter what. I just wish admin was more active instead of popping online for the occasional fix every now and then, and doing huge changes to the site. Maybe there were steps in-between we could have tried before resorting to this. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but mostly it makes me sad.
No. 2457970
>>2457952>The cows I like right now in no particular order:PT, Dana, Luna, Lexity, Caroline, Heather, all the Western Animators, Jessica Peck, Terry, Jill, Zoe. I like more threads than just that, but those are the cows I like to follow.
It feels like a lot of anons have way too high standards for lolcows now instead of just letting them be vehicles for jabs and jokes. I wish more anons contributed to cow threads.
No. 2458009
>>2458006I don't actually evade my bans! I just use my VPN because I don't want my ISP knowing all the fagshit I get up to. When I get a ban, I accept it and don't make the farmhands' jobs harder. I'll send an appeal or say sorry obviously.
I don't know, the site won't implode if I don't respond to anon's vent or answer a stupid question. I mostly catch up on threads anyways, and a ban doesn't stop you from reading the site, only posting.
And I've copped a 12 hour ban for fucking up a post on another board before. That felt pretty egregious. And cat litter anon wasn't a lolcow as far as I know? I do feel it's slightly disingenuous in return to pretend like jannies haven't fucked up before. Plus, I've seen anons asking why certain posts got banned or how they weren't milk in /meta/ and never get answers. It just seemed like a lot of trouble when I don't have anything unique to add to a thread. I'm just anon, after all.
and of course I wouldn't post to /snow/ just to shit it up. I've thought about making a couple threads in the past, don't worry. No. 2458011
>>2457922(nta) you're probably right but it's wild to me, not caring about all your posts being neatly tied to your ip kek. and i don't understand the whole "just don't overshare online" argument, of course you should not doxx yourself, but lc is one of the rare places where women can discuss certain topics in peace, man-hate, sperg about their hobbies etc. if you post on here for years you're bound to reveal some things about yourself.
>>2457987nta but the bans have been very inconsistent lately which is retarded and annoying, not scary. sometimes slightly ot discussions (which are inevitable) are banned sometimes they aren't. mods have even been banning obvious jokes or satire. i know there's a few anons immediately defending the bans and camping in the retarded bans thread but there have been enough complaints to prove that it's not just one retard's imagination.
No. 2458541
>>2458011>>2458091This is more tinfoil than I typically care to get, but fuck it, my days on here are numbered.
I can't help but wonder if this is the first step of many to let the site slowly die.
I also find the hostility against /ot/ and non-cow boards in general to be odd. Anons keep complaining /ot/ is not a true part of the site, and is degrading site culture. But /ot/ has been part of this site for at least a decade, even if it was called /b/ at first. How long does something need to be part of the site before it's "true culture"? Two decades?
No. 2458868
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Okay, let's choose our next destination!
https://imageboards.net No. 2458933
>>2458900oh fuck that's hilarious, post the screenshot please.
>>2458915doubt it with how much VPN seething I've seen from there.
No. 2458948
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>>2458933Sad to see, hopefully no anons get tricked and go there. It's yet another troon board for troons.
No. 2458962
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>>2458868Polish or BBW one.
No. 2459039
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>>2459029Why bother going on there when these are the 2 most popular threads? Its obviously a troon honeypot. I have no idea why the farmhands aren't banning the spam advertisements here, they're all obviously made by trannies
(retard) No. 2459040
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>>2459039Those two captions side by side are amazing topkek
No. 2459082
>>2459048I always found it funny
>on a site called lolcow.farm>against lolcow culture lulwut
No. 2459136
>>2459125Yeah and the moid that made LC in the first place did such a shit job at coding it that we're still paying the price for his spaghetti code 10 years later.
Someone already tried to make a new female-only IB based on the off-topic boards, her name was Snail and that IB is called CC. CC floundered almost immediately and nowadays it's dead besides the occasional automated commercial CSAM spam which impacts every IB. The problem with creating a female-only board where the only draw is that it's female-only is that it invites raiding by moids of the incel variety, and infiltration by TIMs for fetishistic purposes. The reason LC has managed to survive for a decade while being female-only is because the main purpose of the site is documenting lolcows; the female-only aspect is really only a caveat on the side. That's why this place works so well, because at the end of the day this is a cow-site that just so happens to be female-only. CC is a testament to the fact that female-only IBs need a strong central theme outside of being female-only in order to survive and succeed.
No. 2459154
>>2459138Damn, thanks for linking the post, anon. I don't know how I missed this. They seem like an unintegrated tourist.
In my opinion, this is not the actual userbase of /ot/, but I understand why other anons would disagree with me.
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>>2458868>tranchankek why do they need their own ib? aren't most basically tranchan?
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>>2459221Did you
have to post that?
No. 2459370
>>2459293I like this idea, it's a good middle ground that was never proposed between the mods historic user doxxing, and 'take it to meta' negligent culture and preventing troll VPN hoppers who only use VPNs to ban evade while not punishing the privacy conscious ones. But it hasn't been given much thought by mods or the largely newfag monarch pseudo democratic userbase now. Most of the new user base and newfag mods don't know what tripcodes and ids are, therefore a flat VPN ban is the only solution to them. this is a solution to infighting, trolling, baiting etc
But that's not what the new userbase want. Controlling the narrative and eliminating contradictory opinions on this site is more important than actual moderation.
Look at the way this important matter that alters the entire function of the website as a whole was handled. A shitty poll in meta that was split between voting for a ban split unfairly to begin with so even those against a VPN ban had to vote for one. Many anons don't even use meta. Many won't end up voting at all because it's a short time window, no ones setting their calender for the upcoming lolcow vpnban kek. And now it's turned into vote for a full walled garden ban or a less walled garden "but only for specific boards" ban. The whole thing is clownish.
No. 2459801
>>2459575I’m
>>2459293 and I meant after the ban, as I still observed a significant amount of retardation in /ot/, even during hellmass, despite not using it often. I understand this wasn’t a problem for a lot of other anons though, and I realise now the whole idea is very overkill and retarded. I think
>>2459370 misinterpreted me, and while I can see something like this maybe catching out proton users who can’t change ip as frequently or readily, everyone else will be able to easily circumvent it.
No. 2462032
>>2462029This is dumb and untrue. I didn't have access to the internet at all for 10 years because of an
abusive moid. I wasn't even allowed on the internet line inside of my own home period, let alone worried about finding a vpn. When I finally got internet via a mobile company, dynamic ip was incredibly helpful, rather than a vpn. A vpn doesn't do shit for domestic violence
victims, especially when they don't have access to the internet to begin with.
No. 2462275
>>2462029That is silly. How would a VPN help in that situation? It would be more important to clear internet history. Also actually searching for those DV help sites. LC is the wrong place to get serious help.
>>2462126Yeah god forbid we never see another hour long a-logging schizo meltdown again from a PBP.
No. 2462279
My post was for dv
victims as well as women who are beginning to question if their situation is
abusive, esp women who dont have a support network they feel comfortable sharing things with.
>>2462032Not all abuse looks the same. Your anecdote doesnt line up with all abused womens reality. Its like youre implying women arent abused until they dont have access to the internet.
>>2462120>>2462275Not sure why youre so emotionally invested in banning vpns from an anon board. What do you get out of a vpn ban?
"Use a virtual private network (VPN) to remain anonymous while browsing the internet, signing a new lease or applying for a new home loan. This will also keep your location anonymous from anyone who has gained access to or infiltrated your device."
https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/technology/protect-your-digital-life-when-leaving-an-abuser(learn2integrate) No. 2463406
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No more VPNs on /ot/. We did it. It's over.
No. 2463423
>>2463406The move that will kill /ot/
>>2463421Correct. It should be a sitewide ban.
No. 2463433
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>>2463432nta but yeah it is