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>>1978406Fujocoomer cringe:
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>>2425069 No. 2443299
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>>2442979FANNY KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR MAN
No. 2443329
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I have 0 bad feelings towards yumejoshi, but these parodies? of the concept take me out
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>>2443341If you want it in better quality:
https://x.com/ulquiorraspouse/status/1888664867923763314A lot of people using it quoted this tweet
No. 2443359
>>2443348There is
way too much effort put into this for it to be a parody.
No. 2443374
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Late, but Lycaon is the zzz furry designed to appeal to women, he has a dutiful butler personality, a deep voice and has some shippy dialogue with the female mc.
No. 2443438
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>>2443398Moids go into melty mode whenever they see a guy in revealing clothing. I'll make a compilation of moid seethe but if you wanna look at the replies yourself
https://x.com/Love_Deepspace/status/1887701030059786593>>2443406 No. 2443456
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>>2443438she's such a tryhard pickme
No. 2443458
>>2443456Who is that
Also of all things in LADS why crash out over a period tracker?
No. 2443465
>>2443458pickme who posts unfunny anime memes
I got so pissed at this, a normal thing every woman goes thought is the grossest thing ever but dating middleschoolers in gachaslop is fine according to her
No. 2443471
>>2443456I'm legitimately angry at this. Imagine hating yourself and your fellow women so much that you wholeheartedly agree with period shaming and become upset at the mere thought of other women being catered to in the slightest way.
And I don't even play this game, I came from the front page.
No. 2443485
>>2443476It seems like everything is mutating into a grotesque sexual mush. It sucks.
I wonder if it'll get worse, like years from now it won't be enough to have just one set of genitals but to represent all sort with hyper inflated breast's and stomachs.
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>>2443489I don't know. I suspect it's a way of swearing loyalty to their husbando by claiming no attraction to irl men.
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>>2443438A bit late, sorry. Here's the meltdown compilation.
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>>2443530That's her. She's an ex-TiF with psychosis so I wouldn't take her word at face value. Sansfagging aside at least she seems to be doing better now.
No. 2443657
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>>2442717Nona, I want to let you know that some of us aren't too retarded to see your point and support your opinion. Just because we don't always reply saying it doesn't mean nobody agrees with you. And obviously you're not the only one saying this, but some anons really think only one person can have the same opinionAnyway, you're absolutely right. Many yumes like to make their self-inserts as pretty or sexy as possible because they're just like any other woman, socially conditioned to care about their appearance more than they should and value themselves based on that. They have fucked up standards like the average person who thinks women are pretty and men are plain/ugly, and that this is just "how things are". This is especially blatant when the husbando looks plain or unattractive in comparison. Yumes making their self-insert considerably cuter/sexier than the husbando may be harmless in itself, but it's ultimately a consequence of this social programming. It's subconscious, as is some yumes making their self-inserts appear small and young. But not all yumes are like that, some portray themselves normally or not conventionally feminine, and others aim for pretty husbandos that look about as good as their self-inserts (or vice versa, they aim for ugly husbandos that they feel they "deserve", which like the other extreme of ways to deal with beauty standards).
Also I don't see what's wrong with making your self-insert realistically kinda ugly, but not like ugly bastard levels of ugly, since at that point I think it'd be obvious that you hate yourself and self-deprecate a lot. It's showing that the yume accepts herself as she is, and doesn't think she's any less worth loving by a fictional character just because she doesn't conform to society's ideals of feminine beauty. Moids in real life are expected to be loved by women regardless of their appearance, because what counts is their "personality", after all. That's why moids are allowed to be ugly in peace, and even devoted waifufags don't think about it as much as I've seen yumejos worry about it. Women should also be allowed to be plain or ugly. Picrel is obviously a joke, but if we dig into the actual reason for this phenomenon, we can see it's because of this real-life situation where girls learn to dedicate their whole life to being beautiful, while moids aren't taught to do the same and everyone is told to ignore a male's looks because "that doesn't matter". Therefore, a girl's fantasy will more often involve her being pretty and physically attractive, while a moid's fantasy will more often involve getting lots of sex without having to do anything to be attractive in looks or personality. Males don't feel like they need to do that, unlike women. No straight moid is fantasizing about looking like a K-poop prettyboy, and no straight moid is reading shoujo manga and BL games, wishing he was just like the boys in those works, and being a pickme online to get female attention (unless he does it for the money, like Vtumors), but we see tons of female pickmes doing it with lolicon games and shounenslop like My Dressup Darling to get male attention every week and for no reason.
And I'm talking about yumes who are self-inserting, not about yume media where there is a self-insert for the viewer/player/reader/listener. But in the latter case, it'd make more sense to have a plain-looking self-insert, since the point of that kind of media should be the male characters being appealing, not the protagonist herself.
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>>2442553This has always been a thing, in the past people were just more intense about it with them starting internet slapfights over it, nowadays people just block each other and move on.
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>>2442378>Ayrt says she's so fearful of him, but she makes no effort to avoid him or avoid being alone in a room with him.i want to clarify that i found mouthwashing to be merely "okay", i've consumed far better media, i thought it was really cheap to make the sole female character's biggest tragedy be pregnancy rape, but it's a point of her character that she's forgiving to a fault. it's a brief mention but it's there and i'd also argue women forgiving their rapists or trying to look past it is sadly not that unrealistic
No. 2443702
>>2443511Moid 1
>WOMEN LOVE BEING RAPED, GUYSMoid 2
>WOMEN LOVE RAPING, GUYSThey can't even agree on how to lie, hilarious.
And let's not forget that that specific even was met with tons of backlash from both the East and West because everybody was expecting a cute and sweet Valentine's event.>>2443515>Its so obvious how jealous they areThis is exactly it. Some of the scrotes in the screenshot even admitted to being jealous.
>>2443527You're going to be very disappointed kek
No. 2443709
>>2443377People want to connect with people who have a similar autism level and want to show off their weeb cred + in their own fandom they are ostracized by shippers.
It's just friend/community seeking behaviour, though usually it devolves into catty drama.
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>op pic
Gross. Stan belongs to Steve.
No. 2443756
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>>2443657You might get booed and heckled for this, but I agree completely. There are tens of thousands of male wish-fulfillment manga that basically have the same premise:
>outgoing gyaru who falls for the generic, black-haired, dot-eyed plain guy because he was nice to her>transfer Russian student who falls for the unremarkable, plain guy because he was nice to her>elf who falls for the unremarkable human guy because he was nice to her>tanned girl who falls for the unremarkable, plain guy because he was nice to her>tomboy who falls for the unremarkable, plain guy because he was nice to her>reverse trap who falls for the unremarkable, plain guy because he was nice to her>class prez who falls for the unremarkable, plain guy because he was nice to herMaybe I need to read more manga kek, but I do not really see this kind of escapist fantasy for women, where the plain, unremarkable girl ends up with a guy who is way out of her league. Also, the male self-insert is always the black-haired, dot-eyed guy so the average Japanese man can easily see himself in him. But this is not very common in manga targeted towards women. The only exceptions I can think of right now are Mitsumi from Skip to Loafer and the FMC from Busu ni Hanataba wo.
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>>2443756I think most women just see themselves as pretty/or cute or relate to that more than being plain.
No. 2443764
>>2443756nta but how I see it is that generally people have far less tolerance and more hostility towards plain or unattractive women and see pretty women as more valuable;
>>2443734 ignores the super stardom of Mario, Sonic (well he does have his weird fans into him, sure, but they're the minority), among many other silly and iconic main male characters that aren't just Mr. Wonderbread that easily are far more beloved than almost all of your picrel. this is whitewashed because otherwise the fact even women tend to, like men, tolerate far, far less diversity and difference in womens' design in media would become too blatant. speaking as someone whose fave character was Fiona when I was a kid kek. I really didn't realize that she was actually supposed to be the odd female lead out because I found her so cute and interesting to look at as an ogre.
No. 2443772
>>2443771What a weird take, that guy is from Enstars and has 10x more story content than the average boy from a game and high quality 3D music videos and outfits you can put him in.
Most people can only dream of getting that much fanservice of their favourite boy and rely on fanart.
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>>2443773>>2443774>ton of content is bad!>a-actually their personalities must be bland even though I haven't read it!>why do women like pretty boy characters?>why do women like old men characters?>why do women not have ugly self-inserts?Maybe you just need to learn to enjoy things and let people enjoy their things.
No. 2443778
>>2443776>a-actually their personalities must be bland even though I haven't read it!Watched the anime, all these bitches boring as shit.
I personally don't care if someone likes enstars or not, I just think they have the husbando taste of enjoying unsalted crackers if they do.
No. 2443782
>>2443771no you're definitely right. i'm all for women having fun with cute bishies or whatever but these gacha game boys from stuff like 18trip and enstars (where ALL their content is based in the gacha game and paywalled in some capacity, forcing you to spend money or attend a real-life event in japan) just feel like the yume equivalent of industry plants– and i say this as someone who was an enstars yumejo back in the day. i miss when more yumes were into guys from manga or drama cd series.
>>2443772just because he gets content doesn't mean the writing is good, nona. the main author for that series is a hack who makes all of his choices based on shock value and what will bring in the fujobucks for hapiele. pick up a book or something.
No. 2443786
>>2443756Those guys are incels and everyone makes fun of them. Not to mention isekai anime where the stories are like "I'm a fat neckbeard and I reincarnated as an anime girl", even the anime creators make fun of their audience.
Also there are a lot of men who self-insert as superheroes, vikings, and other kinds of "winner" types of men. Women can self-insert as princesses if they want to.
No. 2443791
>>2443786the princess anime always suck ass though. it's always shit like
>i became the side character who the prince falls in love with but i am bland as hell and don't want to step on anyone's toes for the first 2/3rds of the series meanwhile males have
>i became the universe's most satisfying dildo on the horny sexy demon succubus planet also i am sentient and can turn into a girl for some hot lesbian action and everyone wants to marry methe mc in yume and otome stuff is always the most awful passive nothing
No. 2443817
>>2443657A lot of yume-based hentai bothers me because it's often extremely female-centric in a negative way, like the focus is constantly on showing off how unbelievably hot the female MC's body is and how attractive she is in every given situation, the moid seems to be more of an afterthought or a floating dildo. It always reminds me of that one poignant comic in which the woman experiences her sexuality only through her own perceived attractiveness, like she needs to pick a position for sex that doesn't make her look like she has a double chin or belly rolls.
That said, personally I wish self inserts had more variety rather than just a super hot goddess perfect in every way or a plain (you) with no identifying traits at all. Like you can have an interesting design and a bit of a personality while still allowing plenty of room for identifying with the protagonist. In fact, for me it's easier to self insert if a protagonist is closer to my tastes rather than just an NPC off the street.
No. 2443855
>>2443511There should be more games where women rape men. In fact, there should be games centered around men looking like complete sluts 24/7 and also being in love with female MCs, and there needs to be an entire industry underground of indie games/manga by/for women where men are raped and exploited by women. Where is the male version of Teaching Feeling? Emergence?
Men are so retarded it's unreal lol
No. 2443865
>>2443817Really, this is why I used to read a bunch of regular anime porn, it isn't that different from original yume porn, the emphasis is always on the girl anyways, but at least in regular anime porn I can find anime girls that are physically similar to me so I sift through the retarded and nasty shit and find like 2 manga that are bearable.
The difference between those though is that there is a change in the narrative most of the time and you actually read the thoughts of the anime girl rather than the thoughts of the coom rotten guy.
No. 2443939
>>2443657Why should we keep caring what moids do? Why should we go to their level? They don't care about being attractive to waifus because men love pretending that women don't care about looks and would happily propagate their shit genetics (on top of that, men's clothing is just less revealing and have less variety than female clothing).
Romance is the most shallow form of love. Everybody should strive to be pretty without being obsessive about it. It's not cucking yourself to want to see that.
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>>2443939Preach! Only men should be allowed escapist media where the nice guy gets a woman way out of his league just by being himself. Meanwhile, all media for women should strictly enforce the highest, most supreme standards of performative femininity—constantly reminding them that unless their sheer beauty knocks out everyone within a 100 metre radius, they are unworthy of love and might as well not exist.
No. 2443976
>>2443662man I cant help but think yumes are based. really what is the point of keeping a 3dpd moid around if you dont want kids.
yumes they can never make me hate you.
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>>2443687>same level of sexualization OR anthropomorphizationI am no furfag but I think this is a thing in nearly all furry shit outside of Beastars perhaps? Picrel is the teaser visual for an upcoming shoujo furry anime and the male and female furries look so different.
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>>2444110Fwiw, googling it and it seems like there's male cats too.
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>>2444110>>2444131The wolfman is unappealing even from an anthro/monsterfucker standpoint, skimming the manga he looks like a pinhead 90% of the time. His snout, jaw, fur game is weak
No. 2444193
>>2444093These scenes should ONLY happen with the dude and not out of 'revenge' but because he wants to glow up for her.
Very telling that I've only seen this in Panty & Stocking w/Garterbelt–and I've consumed A LOT of media. "He cleans up nicely" is too rare.
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>>2444139Whoops, meant to reply to
>>2444131 No. 2444236
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>>2444110I've read this manga and its prequel, it has both male and female cat and dog anthro characters
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>>2444177sadly hes genetically inbred too, he needs to be euthanized before he mauls the local obasan going for a walk
No. 2444265
>>2443329I'd put money on this being sincere nonna. Mip was a creepy stalker in the show and it seems to be popular to lust after characters like him. The negative or creepy traits are easily twisted into anime yandere uwu tragic love and since they're ugly the chance you'd have to "compete" with other selfshippers is low. The perfect man for unfortunate-looking terminally online troons. Plus, if you're prolific enough you may earn enough clout to become the the CEO of (character).
I wonder what Nemu would think of all this if she were still public. Part of her schtick was being the "weird waifu" girl. Now that every Tom, Sock and Aiden selfships with the ugliest characters imaginable she doesn't stick out so much. The sharing/non-sharing thing makes me kek cause what the hell are they gonna do when they come across another yume with the same waifu? These characters don't belong to any of them. If I were an author or showrunner I'd write in a canonical love interest just to fuck with these types.
No. 2444343
>>2443747what.
>>2443756damn, absolutely NONE of them have lips jfc. also, i'm not like a korean media expert but i've seen that some drama/manhwa leads are just regular ol' girls that manage to catch the attention of both the princely rich heir and the bad boy through the power of ~personality~. they do get ending up getting makeovers though so that ruins my whole point.
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>>2443976Anyone who says this has never had an actual encounter with a terminally online "non-sharing" yume before. They all are narcissists who will shit themselves at the sight of another person liking the same character as they do (not even legitimately self-shipping, mind you), God forbid another fan of their particular interest wants to interact with them and share thoughts.
No. 2444492
>>2443857>>2443883This is how I feel when I go on /jp/ VN threads and see anons pretend certain galge are profound. Even the supposed female anons, they wouldnt be pretending its profound or interesting if the same themes remained with the roles reversed.
>>2444353Most non-sharing yumes I've met seem no different from most weebs nowadays and just mute/block at their discretion. Sorry you got traumatized in some discord server by a yume sperg but no need to project that onto every single one.
No. 2444544
>>2444492>Most non-sharing yumes I've met seem no different from most weebs nowadaysProving my point.
>in some discord server Please, you have to be a fucking retard (AKA not me) to seek out fandom shitcord servers.
>no need to project that onto every single one.Who would have thought people that delude themselves into treating fictional characters as if they were real might be mentally unstable?
(infighting) No. 2444628
>>2444353I think a lot of the yumes that act like this are just young (many teens are like that online, not just yumes) or womanchildren. But there are also yumes who either share and therefore are not so spergy by default, or if they are non-sharing, they're more chill.
They probably aren't the type you'd find in these Twitter communities, though.
No. 2444631
>>2443756absolutely grim because i could automatically picture atleast 3 different mangas in my head with the same plot. its so generic and gives weebiescrotes false confidence, and then anger when it doesnt exist in the real world.
also, not to mention the generic 16 highschooler x 40 year old teacher hentai trope. its disgusting
No. 2444648
>>2443776Agreed. Even if the writing is bad, the design and personality generic, or the character is designed to manipulate you into blowing your paycheck on it every month (pathetic, yes) why does it surprise anyone that girls like cute bishies?
>>2443782>just feel like the yume equivalent of industry plantskek that's a good way to put it
No. 2444678
>>2443817Yes, this is a problem with both the TL manga it's based on, and, although it's just my own speculation, the fact that the anime adaptation's staff is all or mostly male, especially the directors and producers who are always male, and the animators who are probably also scrotes. And not just that, but they're so used to animating hentai for moids that even if they tried, they couldn't make it female gaze. I think I even saw one case where the protagonist's massive breasts and nipples were very detailed (because of course), but the male love interest had no fucking nipples. The only difference between those anime and a regular hentai anime for moids is that the male has a face in a half-assed ikemen style kek.
>It always reminds me of that one poignant comic in which the woman experiences her sexuality only through her own perceived attractivenessI always think of that comic when talking about these issues.
>In fact, for me it's easier to self insert if a protagonist is closer to my tastes rather than just an NPC off the street.I couldn't agree more. I want more variety in protagonists, because it's always super feminine and perfect girl #1958710 or plain, faceless self-insert with so little personality that she just lets things happen around her #960971. It'd be awesome if there were as many protagonist types as there are kinds of women, but female-oriented genres are small compared to their male equivalents, plus they're being controlled by moids (except for BL), so it's hard for that variety to truly happen.
>>2443855>and there needs to be an entire industry underground of indie games/manga by/for women where men are raped and exploited by womenBased and true.
No. 2444694
>>2443865>The difference between those though is that there is a change in the narrative most of the time and you actually read the thoughts of the anime girl rather than the thoughts of the coom rotten guy.You mean in hentai for males or TL manga? Because in my experience both do the same thing kek.
You're so right, it's infuriating when manga that's supposedly for women does the same things that porn for men does, and with worse art on top of all that. Personally, I'd rather find a rare hentai gem among all the trash, than be disappointed by "our" genre over and over again. Although I'd obviously support any TL author that does things right in a heartbeat, I'll do everything in my power to financially support those women.
Sucks not being a fujo anymore, because then I wouldn't be facing this dilemma.
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>>2443771>>2443773>>2443774>>2443778>>2443782>liking cute husbandos tailored for women BAD!>actually if you like husbandos who are meant to be appealing to you, you have bland taste >you like thing with cute boys made for you? you are an industry plant not a real yume!!1!Holy shit you bitches are as annoying and crazy as attention whore moralfagging gendies who ''yume'' for crazy ugly characters or have to trannify characters so they can larp as ''lesbians'' with geriatric cartman. Being a yume is not a contest about whose taste is the most morally correct, you absolute baffoons. You are not a better yume or a ''real'' one because you simp for some ugly male character from a scrote mango with a ''''deep'''' lore meant for moids. The whole point of being a yume is to distance yourself from real life moids, yet you sound like those nlogs who screech at women who like jpop boys for being ''shallow'' and not being into ''real'' men(fat, ugly, bald). Sorry but i am yume because no 3DPD could reach the level of perfection of a 2D bishie. I am not interested in being a yume for flawed or ugly characters, i dont care how 3deep5u their stories are i just want to daydream about a cute anime boy who's too perfect to exist irl, who doesnt have flaws and if he does they are cute flaws who make him cuter and more appealing to me. You bitches are so annoying you gotta be NLOG about fucking husbandos. How you manage to be a pickme for fictional men is beyond me. Notice how moids are never moralfagged into liking ugly female characters? how they are never told that stuff being made for them is BAD, and instead have the opposite problem where media is often bend to be appealing for them(and only them). But suddenly when women get the same treatment its bad ackshually, women are not allowed to like pretty anime boys with cute personalities, no, just like IRL we gotta see past the visual appeal, we gotta be ''better and not shallow'' even in our fantasies. I am so tired of all the moralfagging. Enjoy your ugly husbandos all you like, but you arent better and you dont have ''pristine'' taste because you yume for a character made for moids.
(infighting) No. 2444759
>>2444758its not even that long, but here
tl;dr: stop moralfagging about husbandos, you are the reason why ironic husbandofags like the south park randy ''lesbian'' exist.
No. 2444771
>>2444758Newfags can't read
>>2444757Okay
nonny but I think the main problem those anons have is that those characters come from a predatory gacha game. I think if it weren't gashit, they wouldn't mind that much because it'd be as stupid as getting mad at women falling for shoujo manga love interests.
Also rich of you saying being a yume is not a contest while shitting on yumes you don't like No. 2444782
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>>2443511>Rape is when women want to fuck a guy who is hotter than meAh, so this is how "men get raped too".
No. 2444783
>>2443662Thanks for posting this gem. I love yumes so fucking much.
>Seph actually finds people like you amusingI'm laughing my ass off, how do you know that? He's not fucking real!
No. 2444790
>>2444757Absolutely based Tomoya
nonnie.
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>>2444766I have never spent a dime on this game. I only produce one idol, so i only save up for his cards. The only f2ps that struggle with gachas are the whores who just do it for the thrill and not because they genuinely want the card.
>>2444771Its not predatory though, you can enjoy the game just fine without spending a dime. I saved all this just from playing daily and saving for my husbando.
>spoilerlearn to read because the only ''''yumes'''' i shat on are the obvious attention whore gendies. If you cant even love your husbando without having to trannify him so you can larp as genderspecials and not lose your gender special LGBTWTFBBQ bragging rights, then yeah, thats the ONLY thing that makes you a fake yume. If you cant love your husbando without butchering his character to the point he's unrecognizable just to fit your own manufactured gender identity then you clearly dont really love him how he is and are just attention whoring.
No. 2444809
>>2444797>Its not predatory thoughMicrotransactions in video games are inherently predatory, and gacha games are the worst example of it. Just because you (claim to) play completely F2P doesn't mean gacha games don't intentionally use dirty tactics to influence players into spending money. Commercial video games in general are meant to be addictive, gacha adds elements of gambling to make things worse.
>learn to read because the only ''''yumes'''' i shat on are the obvious attention whore gendies.Yeah, sure.
>the whores who just do it for the thrill>You are not a better yume or a ''real'' one because you simp for some ugly male character from a scrote mango with a ''''deep'''' lore meant for moids>Enjoy your ugly husbandos all you like No. 2444816
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>>2444757NTA, but i dont think those anons were saying you cant like attractive male characters, its just so many times those male characters are made by moids who are profiting off of the gap in the yume game market. like cmon, this is literally the CEO of papergames, the company that made love and deepspace. i have never played enstars, but you cant blame anyone who thinks its a generic gachaslop game from first glance. Mystic messenger is the worst example of this, Yes the husbandos are decent but you literally have to pay to learn more about their character, other than that they are bland and generic.
(derailing) No. 2444822
>>2444809oh so they can call bishies bland and poorly written, and the yumes who simp for them industry plants but cannot take shit back? kek, as always they throw the first rock then they get angry when people returns them their nasty attitude. Once you shit on someone's taste and act holier than thou you open the flood gates and you are not entitled to my politeness anymore.
>>2444812>boywifecringe, dont call my husband that disgusting twitter tranny term ever again. Also, again, its not the system's fault that people cannot moderate themselves. They gotta make a profit somehow. Before gacha VNs and husbando anime used to make money off selling merch, some of which you had to acquire through a raffle system.
>>2444816oh no god forbid things are made for women!!!! lets go back to all media having bland male protagonists and skimpy women, women cant get shit, its bad actually!! women are not allowed escapism, its bad when women do it
>other than that they are bland and generic.sorry i forgot that the world revolves around you and your opinion, when did you become CEO of husbandofaggotry?
No. 2444848
>>2444844This isn't even a yume vs. fujo thing. It's yume infighting.
>>2444841I guess, but I mean, this one doesn't feel as angry.
No. 2444851
>>2444844Thought you meant the other one.
Also what's up with anons refusing to believe more than one person is in a conversation? It's obnoxious. Sure it was meant to be a slightly snide comment, but a fairly harmless one.
No. 2444866
>>2444822>last replyIs this just scrote bait? I literally just said I agreed with you. There is nothing wrong with liking attractive male characters, its just the motives behind the people who make them that make their personalities flat. I just found it harder to like gacha husbandos because i felt like the female version of a scrote coomer who simps over his generic big titty waifu. But if you like it, more props to you. Its definitely better than that one yume who liked that gnome-looking thing from smiling friends lol. Again, to me he looks like a generic blonde haired anime boy, but i dont play enstars, so maybe you see something i dont.
>>2444828Yes, its very different when it is pure fanservice though. it just feels a bit sneaky to me. Doesnt feel organic
No. 2444896
>>2444887NTA but you can't be sure that's the same person. Several people agreed with that point earlier.
I don't know who is baiting who anymore lmao
No. 2444908
>>2444866nona take a deep breath and take a step away from your monitor, please
>>2444833all -joshi infights are obnoxious as fuck
No. 2444916
>>2444905Not to mention, several big gacha games are based on pre-existing franchises, so they attract people who were already husbando/waifuing characters from a non-gacha game, and do everything in their power to bait them into spending money.
>their oshiUnrelated to the topic at hand, but why the fuck have westerners started using the term "oshi" to mean "favorite"? Isn't oshi supposed to be more akin to "fan"? Like, YOU are the oshi, not the character.
>>2444908She sounds more calm and reasonable than the sperg who posted the generic gacha bishie.
No. 2444979
>>2444945Shit nevermimd, seems like you're a pissy twat. Before you post next time, maybe ask your guardian about how the words you use come across to other people.
I never changed my point, though. I don't know why I have to explain it to you, but the discussion the thread was about yume fighting each other. If anything, you just admitted that you were replying to me directly originally.
No. 2445028
>>2445021I will never understand how anyone can see stuff being made for women as a bad thing. When literally 90% of media has fanservice for men. Probably most of their husbandos come from series that have tons of fanservice and tailor made waifus for men.
>>2445022post your husbando then
No. 2445033
>>2445028when did i say media for women is a bad thing? i dont feel superior its literally just something that puts me off, ive never been able to get attached to a gacha character, male or female, because they have a gross "give us your money" feel to them. also i husbando the onceler if it matters
>>2445027yes but most games you pay 30-60$ and youre done with it. gachaslop exists to get people to dump hundreds or thousands
No. 2445040
>>2445028dont you know
nonny, you’re supposed to slobber over a shounen man or an side character with 2 seconds of screentime instead of something targeted at you
No. 2445045
>>2445036i mean id post my paintings of him but i posted them on my twitter too and you could probably reverse image search them, so it feels like a bad idea
>>2445038thank you
No. 2445074
>>2445045I play a couple of gashit games and I see where you're coming from. I don't agree with the idea that husbandos from otome games are "fake" or "shallow", but I do agree that gacha games are garbage designed to milk your wallet and that makes them inferior to any other kind of game. But still, gacha characters are characters just like any other, so it's not shocking that people fall for them. But I get being put off by the gacha aspect.
>>2445060Stop replying, Jesus. If you ignore them, they'll shut up after a while. Notice how there wasn't this amount of seething towards you a couple of hours ago, the replies exploded out of nowhere. Let it go for a while and they'll shut up. This is basic imageboard etiquette, you don't need to defend yourself to people who just want to fight.
No. 2445083
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>>2445079ive heard everything. nothing you can say about him will phase me at this point.
No. 2445089
>>2445078NTA but in the vast majority of cases, you're getting less content and/or less quality out of a gacha game than a game you gotta pay for once, of comparable quality. It's better to wait for a fully developed game, unless you have internet-induced ADHD and are addicted to the gacha model, which seems to be most young people nowadays since everything around them, like social media, is designed to deliver short-form content slop and keep them glued to their phones to watch as many advertisements as possible (ultimately, to profit off of them more, just like gacha… interesting).
Gachashitters are so pathetic when they try to defend their gambling addiction kek.
No. 2445095
>>2445088Because its escapism and it brings me happiness. After seeing the attrocities men commit irl and how ugly the average scrote is i just want to come back home with a mint tea and see my husbando. I cant do that if the game has only 50 hours of playable time.
>>2445089>It's better to wait for a fully developed gameWomen have been waiting years for this. I am sorry but its not happening. You cry and moan but you arent going to learn how to code and do it yourself either. You just want to have the moral high ground either because you dont actually play otomes/yume/fujos games or because your taste alligns more to the normie ugly scrotes you see in normal videogames so you never had a drought in content yourself. Gaming has been a thing since the 80s and i can only come up with 7 male characters that are actually attractive in a sea of hideous coom creatures and generic male self inserts.
No. 2445106
>>2445095Nice non-argument. Gachashit sucks ass, it's an excuse to both spend less resources on a game that could've been 10 times better, and to extract more money from your credit card. Gacha players are constantly cucked by the devs, always complaining about how the devs have screwed them over in some way. Gacha players have to log in daily and do boring-ass in-game chores (read: waste time) just to save up on whatever free currency the game has, and then they cope pretending that they were totally not played by the game because they're not actually spending any money on it.
>Because its escapism and it brings me happiness. After seeing the attrocities men commit irl and how ugly the average scrote is i just want to come back home with a mint tea and see my husbando. I cant do that if the game has only 50 hours of playable time.Oh god this is just sad. You don't need gashit in your life to have a husbando or to escape from real life. How the fuck do you think fandoms survived before huge social media platforms like Twitter became the default and before gacha was a thing? Like
>>2445097 you can literally just use your imagination.
>but you arent going to learn how to code and do it yourself either.Nice projection too. Sorry that you gave up, but I'm actually learning programming and developing my own stuff.
>you dont actually play otomes/yume/fujos gameslmao, more completely wrong assumptions.
>or because your taste alligns more to the normie ugly scrotes you see in normal videogames so you never had a drought in content yourself.And even more assumptions with no basis or point. Are you seriously implying there has ever been a drought of bishies in media? Shoujo manga, shoujo anime, otome games have always been there and they were very popular. Many are still popular. Do you think that just because they're not as huge in popularity as Genshit Infart they have literally no fans? kek. Fully developed otome games are a thing and they are being talked about today, I wasn't necessarily talking about non-romance games.
>Gaming has been a thing since the 80s and i can only come up with 7 male charactersThen instead of wasting your time (and probably money) on gacha games, crying about having to see ugly males, and defending your addiction online, learn to program?
No. 2445113
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>>2445106post more fandom funnies
No. 2445117
>>2445116You arent talking about any particular fandom discourse you're having a hysterical meltdown about gacha as a concept itself and infighting with that anon
>inb4 i'm not that anonOk, she*
No. 2445141
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If you husbandofag one of these, you are disqualified from speaking on yumejos.
No. 2445155
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>>2445141>shes still goingyeah i won
(bait) No. 2445163
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the only objectively correct character to yume is her btw
No. 2445388
>>2445141I always thought Komaeda didn’t truly count since he’s meant to be attractive in universe unlike the others.
Also he’s gay so I don’t get why one would husbando him.
No. 2445428
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>>2445141I husbando'd the Onceler real hard back in 2012. what're you gonna do about it
No. 2445458
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>>2445390He literally says he loves Hajime in the game and drama CD multiple times and calls their hotel a love nest
No. 2445479
>>2445017I just said that i didnt care who your husbando is, as long as he isnt turbo ugly and obnxious like the thread pic, even then i wouldnt care
>>2444916>She sounds more calm and reasonable than the sperg who posted the generic gacha bishie.Finally! thank you! not a single person itt thinks you cant like enstars or gacha husbandos. I was talking about the companies that paywall them
>>2444887Ive made only 2 posts in this entire thread, and i have never been to the previous one. Trying to spot anons is cringe
(derailing) No. 2445490
can we post more obnixously bad "erm hes actually lesbian" husbandos and not ones that millions of people yume over for controversialness?
>>2445468Yeah and esspically since thats mostly a headcannon from fujoshis
No. 2445513
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>>2445511If this is who I think it is…
No. 2445515
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Can we pack up the yumeposting now and get back to posting fandom milk, please
No. 2445535
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Nonnies complain about ZZZ meanwhile scrotes be like pic related. Similar how for most games that have male and female characters if you go to 4chan you will see scrotes crying that the game is "too homo" and "not coomer enough".
>>2445458I think it's really weird to defend a fictional man's homosexuality when 90% of his fans are women. It keeps happening over and over with non-masculine-uggo characters women love and it feels like bitterness towards women enjoying things. Some people are fujos and want the guy to be gay to fulfill their ship fantasies, rather than seeing the fictional character as just a toy to use for fantasies. Maybe it's also mixed with some weird western moralfagging about not being a voyeuristic fujo but a heccin wholesome MLM supporter.
No. 2445545
>>2445538It's from reddit, they proudly call themselves gooners and make anime porn their whole personality. They frequently cry about LADS being a gooner game and only want porn in their games lol
Similarly, the Granblue Fantasy general on 4chan is legitimately schizoid and having frequent meltdowns that a girl flirted with another guy or girl and call all characters homo or cuckbait, it's insane.
No. 2445561
>>2445554>he loves the male protagonist in canon among other thingsNTA but he confesses in his FTEs (Which are semi-canon), and even then it's his hope-loving bullshit. (I love the hope inside of you)
>Drama CDs They aren't canon as with FTEs, just secondary side material like with character songs etc.
The only true "canon" koma/hi we had that was part of the main storyline was the DR3 special but again nothing important was said.
No. 2445705
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>>2445535Holy cancer thread
No. 2445728
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>Nonnas wouldn't be arguing if they had ascended to the superior realm of yume'ing their own OCs
No. 2445766
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>sexualizing a 14 year old the game makes a great deal not to sexualize>he/they in bioI hope all LGBT faggots besides lesbians perish off the face of the earth for being disgusting degenerate coomers. I don't wanna alog too hard but picrel deserves to get raped to death
>>2445705If 40% of Nikke players in Korea are women if i'm reading that right, that's fucking bleak. Hope the based Korean feminists bully them outta it.
No. 2445771
>>2445768Didn't know that. I just hate fagmoids and this scrote likes Rance so I wanted an excuse to shit on him.
>>2445769He has 1k followers or so and his tweets came up on my timeline
No. 2445785
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>>2445766>If 40% of Nikke players in Korea are women if i'm reading that right, that's fucking bleak. Hope the based Korean feminists bully them outta it.Big doubt. You can tell when a game has a big female fanbase by the type of fanart it gets and the accounts that interact with it on twitter, a lot of them have more women on livestreams too. Nikke just shoehorns in one motion cap actress and it's a sausagefest otherwise.
No. 2445787
>>2445728based, think about it
>you can make your own merch and you are the only person in the world who owns it>you dont have to complain about people “stealing” your husbando>no paywall and no waiting for extra content to come out>no fandom dramas like “ermmm you cant actually like this character because i headcannon him as gay”what are the cons? seriously why doesnt everyone just do this?
No. 2445789
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r/AO3 having a normal one after being met with an author who doesn’t want incest shippers to interact with them. Pro shippers are always about anti harassment while people in the comments were going on and on about bothering OP with the incest ship. Also, admittedly yes the OOP was being a little strange.
No. 2445799
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>>2445785This. Nikke is like azur lane in that it has 0 appealing or actually well designed characters. Absolutely all of them are slop. I can see a woman playing Blue Archive because some characters have cute designs and pastel colors, but literally all nikke characters are weird contorted sausaged with massive titties slapped onto them. They are so cheap and lazy they even steal famous vtuber designs to make their ugly rip off characters. I like some pretty crappy gacha designs and i legit cant find a single Nikke design thats actually appealing in any way. I fucking hate Azur Lane and Nikke.
No. 2445806
>>2445795>>2445798Then you are going from the angle that yumes love characters because they need something to love, it's the opposite- people find characters who they end up falling in love with. So to create your own OC just for the sake to have something to love is kind of like buying a sex doll.
Yeah some people are autistic and cringe about it, but just explaining why it doesn't work with your own character.
No. 2445812
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>>2445789I know it's genshit without looking up. This battle of retards is eternal.
No. 2445825
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>>2445799This is the most retarded design imo
No. 2445831
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>>2445825You could spam the entire nikke repertoire onto the bad design thread. The only good thing about Nikke is the live2D. But its probably only because i work with Live2D myself and i know making fluid animation with it is incredibly time consuming and annoying.
No. 2445839
>>2445831irc nikke also has a child character as well i mean imagine a gooner korean moid gachashit having pedoshit who woulda thought, this shit is as feminist is as moids drawing naked women with guns
which means its not and dont forget them firing female artists too just because they comment on the rape culture in korea
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>>2445831I keep getting nikke confused with the actually good dress up game infinity nikki, and i almost downloaded it from an ad but then i realized it was just another generic souless coomer waifu slop. I also equally hate the unwashed scrotes who shamelessly like the game and pretend it isnt paywalled shit because of “big booba animu girl” I hate scroteslop so much
No. 2445856
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>>2445842>Brown Dust 2literally never heard of this but it looks like straight up porn how is this allowed on the playstore
No. 2445867
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I am laughing so hard at these, men's sexuality is so retarded.
No. 2445881
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>>2445867Apparently this is cosplay LMFAO
No. 2445888
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>>2445876Idk about anon but I looked at their reddit and somebody made a "tier list" of these
Sadly there's one cute blonde slut guy who was there at game launch but devs abandoned guys and went full coomer.
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>>2445856Imagine the smell. Seeing all of these moids gathered here makes me want to say something that'd get redtexted for alogging.
No. 2445896
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>>2445867Wait, This game actually has the full scroteslop package kek
>Generic male self insert protagonist>Loli character whos actually 208 years old (no joke, devs actually confirmed) >Female battle characters that have impractical designs to show off skinBut when one yume game with barely any sexual scenes or innuendos shows up, all hell breaks loose
No. 2445911
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>>2445892>the coomer mikuTHANK KAMI SAMA NIPPON MOIDS ARE DYING OUT MAKE IT GO FASTER
No. 2445927
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>>2445917Trails/Kiseki. It used to be a cute comfy JRPG with great emotional storytelling but after the first 3 games it slowly sold itself out to coomershit. Now the games are selling like shit and they're outcooming themselves every game to make it sell better including collabs like this.
For the collab, they picked a character that got sold to sexual slavery and is a huge part of her backstory to use as gooner bait (not picrel). She's not as heavily sexualized as the other two characters picked but it's so fucking disgusting and distasteful to the point where If I expressed my disgust I'd get redtexted for a logging.>It's heartbreaking to see how the Atelier series went down this path as well.Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't the games always been like that? I know in an earlier entry there was a loli-like character who got tentacled raped, or are you talking about earlier? From what I've seen as someone who hasn't played the games yet, they had a very shoujo feel to them and now it's just trash.
No. 2445953
>>2445927I'm not sure, I only played a couple of the older games on the DS so I'm no expert on the series but I never saw any coomshit when I did. Wouldn't be surprised though. Comparing the ones I played from like 2007 to what's being released now is like night and day though.
>>2445934There's an awful paradox in the west where people who have good taste don't typically consume fanmade content besides well-made fully rendered fanart and the people who do engage in fanmade content are more likely to be straight-up grifters or have shit taste and drive out people who don't pander with political activism. Unrelated but it's also way cheaper to get doujins printed in Japan than it is here. I wish we could have more affordable printing in the West and be able to do something like Comiket.
No. 2446000
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>>2445787I've had the same OCbando since middle school, I'm the final boss.
No. 2446073
>>2445787At least one con: your autism levels may be low on an individual basis, but never 0, and so you are always at risk of ending up like partycoffin.
>>2446000Fuck yeah, I love to see a nona winning!
No. 2446209
>>2446192People feel like their take needs to be the most canon and
valid one, so they love undermining other fans. It's the same as people who call others
problematic for liking something and wanting to cancel them.
No. 2446268
>>2446192Next time someone does this to you, just remind them that actually, pansexuality is real and
valid so it's regressive to assume he's "just" gay, and also, why are they treating you like a woman just because you are one (fucking bigots)? What if you're a stunning he/they keeping it quiet for safety reasons? Turn it around on them and make them scared to question it kek
No. 2446272
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If yumes are allowed to turn fujobait straight, then fujos are allowed to turn yumebait gay.(fujosperg outside containment)
No. 2446279
>>2445535Your screenshot reminded me that sometimes I look at r/WuWaHusbandos to see how they're coping and I dont know if I feel sorry for them or not. They're smart enough to realize their game devs absolutely hate them but then they always end their sentences with "I hope they can finally give us more males… I hope they release at least 3 males per year instead of 1… I hope… I hope…" like just drop it. I cant imagine logging into a game every day that makes me frustrated.
I give genshintards the benefit of the doubt because they were hoodwinked for the first few years but wuwa never once hid the type of loser scrotes it wants as an audience. I remember when I was looking there just before Brant released they were saying stuff like "Lets spend a lot of money on his banner to prove males sell!" as if they wont just use that money to make more waifus, falling right into the trap.
No. 2446286
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This entire debacle can easily be solved with one thing: multiple universes exist. Inside each mind is a world, and in that world, there's a wildly different interpretation of the same character. In some of these worlds he gets raped up the ass and in other worlds his buttocks are solely for a yume's grabbing pleasure, and that's okay.
>But nona, that's not canon! Only one of each character exists in their official source material!
That's what they want you to believe. Do most canon characters not have merch? Do they not pose in official art wearing strange clothes, in strange scenarios, in some cases even after they're canonically DEAD? Do you suppose every plushy or figurine that gets released is the same object which just rotates through the houses super fast? No! The magic of 2D love/lust is that it can take any form you want!
No. 2446651
>>2446286The merch and strange official art only exist because of the impact of the original story though. You want to see those things because of that.
So people can make up their own versions like all those spin-offs of all those different religions, but there remains the fact that they were inspired by that one story. They have no narrative to draw from to support their… impressions.
No. 2446659
>>2445856is her looking in distress crucial for the coom?
>brown dustthat is such an ugly name for your game
No. 2446710
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>>2445458Nonnie, whenever you doubt my love for you, it fills me with despair…
No. 2446736
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>>2444783>He's not fucking real!To the yumes (though that wasn't even a term when these were posted) he is.
No. 2446743
>>2445813Agreed, I always roll my eyes when I see people apply tumblr/twitter shit like this to other sites.
No one on MFC pulled this shit till twittertards started using it.
No. 2446748
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>>2445468I just don't get why you'd purposefully chose a gay character, like damn girl do you wanna cuck yourself or something?
Obviously you're open to do whatever you please but I don't get why you'd chose someone who's super faggy (and batshit insane) like Komaeda.
(fujosperging) No. 2446757
>>2445953>>2445949Speaking as an American, we have a zine culture that needs to be taken more advantage of by fandoms that isn't yet another horribly mismanaged fanart compilation campaign on Kickstarter. There's something to be said about hand-assembling a comic you made about your favorite ship and sneaking in some surprises for the <10 buyers who share your silly fixation.
>>2446050I think a lot of it is due to how some things are set up, too. Long driving commutes, algorithmed entertainment, no chance to be bored turns people who would otherwise create into consumers.
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>>2446279I do not even play WuWa, but I will admit Brant mogs most of the male characters from Hoyoslop. Still, it is beyond me why any fujo or yume would willingly play that game. I only play HSR, and even there, the female characters sometimes make me want to uninstall. WuWa takes it to a whole other level, fem!Rover’s design is enough reason to skip the game entirely. You seriously have to hate yourself to be giving money to that game.
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About the doujin culture:
I don't think it's much different in Japan. 90% of it is scrotes making soulless porn at comiket to rake in sales. The people you praise for making indie work of love are usually just left standing, just like the creators in the west that don't pander.
No. 2446956
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Scrotes pretending they're the most vanilla of the bunch will never not be hilarious. Retard even picked the faceless hentai protagonist to "prove" his point, which is supposed to be a stand-in for the moid when they want to fuck a girl.
No. 2446987
>>2446956Judging by the way a period tracker in LADS made them lose their shit, I guess they needed to depict women as all degenerates.
But let's be real, how many pickme/groomed female artists are drawing degenerate shit because they genuinely like it and not because they were psyop'd in it or wanted to make coombucks?
No. 2447014
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>>2446987This is just my experience, but I've personally ran into more female artists online that are into furry/monster/niche fetishes or weird trans art (like in the bad art thread) than those that draw big titty coomer art
Actually for an example I wanted to find this one artist who went by xiphos (billie), but she nuked her profiles
No. 2447018
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>>2447014wait why is this kinda…
No. 2447026
>>2446956there no way this isnt satire right??
are moids really this braindead?
No. 2447029
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>>2446956oh, isn't it the same person who got mad at LADS?
No. 2447041
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>>2447029The cherry on top is his profile picture is from a loli rape game called Black Souls which is frequently compared to Rance. From his profile I get the impression he's a wannabe who wants to skinwalk 4chan users but is too much of a pussy to use the website himself kek
No. 2447064
>>2447029oh what a fucking loser kek
male coomers should be gas chambered
No. 2447068
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>>2447029107k FOLLOWERS FOR THIS SHIT WHAT THE FUCK
hes also one of those male coomers with a female persona and pretend its not gay
all he does is retweet rehashed shit and be like: haha men smart women dum hur dur and his art fucking sucks you just have to take a gander at this account
No. 2447070
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>>2447060Imo it's cute in its own way but if I were a moid coomer I could not imagine getting off to it.
>>2447068Like the rev says desu faggot? I hate those people so much, they're bound to troon out
No. 2447080
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>>2447070This design is ok, kinda generic but it's inoffensive.
Picrel on the other hand is… special
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but really who is the target audience for this shit. im thinking its other male coomers who think hes a femboy but in reality hes a 30 year old balding man. the people who like his posts are scrotes who are like “haha i fuck trannies but im not gay” censored for buldge. i really dont know who interacts with this shit, its webtoon tier art, scrotes are so absolutely braindead a single line signalifying a bulge sends them into a frenzy i hate them so fucking much
>>2447070hes definitely on the troon pipeline. you start being a porn addicted hairy scrote, then you go into fetishes like futanari and “femboy” and then youre wearing a wig and thinking youre a woman.
No. 2447095
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>>2447060>Black SoulsThis game fascinates me because there is some good rpg horror elements but its heavily crippled by the creator's moid tendencies of adding awful coomslop.
>>2447080And its not the regular kind of coomshit but it's genuinely badly drawn, like something an incel highschooler would scribble on his notepad.
Honestly, he just needs to drop trying to be a hentai artist but rather just make a straight-on horror game. He just needs to tone done the obvious edgelord shock value and learn how to improve his subtle horror writing.
Otherwise Black souls is the biggest "I got tricked into playing a shit game" I have ever experienced.
No. 2447097
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>>2447080For every cute design, there's at least 10 schizophrenic coomer ones
>>2447095Agreed, there's a reason why the fanbase is all lolifaggots, they're the only ones who can appreciate the creators blatant mental illness and fetishes seeping into his work like no other kek
No. 2447101
>>2447095the art isnt even that good it looks like chickenscratch
who is getting off to this? it could have been based if it was made by a woman and she didnt feel the need to add coomshit
No. 2447104
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>>2447095AYRT but what I hate about Black Souls, specifically Black souls 2 is that it uses the molestation of Alice Liddell as an edgy plot point and showcases the pedo Lewis Carroll as a tragic figure. BS fans try to convince you that the game dev potrays Carroll as the bad guy but saying that having a sexual obsession with a child as an adult is bad doesn't really work in a game that constantly sexualizes loli characters and lets you chose whenever your main love interest (Alice) is your mom, sister or fucking daughter.
Black souls has some interesting themes but they are ruined by clumsy coomerism and edgelord tendencies.
Best girl in this shit game is based misandrist Unis, she also has the best design in the whole game imo. Even if her motivation for being a manhater is obviously written by a man, she's still cool for wanting to have a pure female only kingdom No. 2447123
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The 37 year old fandom mom sounds kinda Stacy
No. 2447135
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>>2447068Offtopic but I checked out his xitter. As a big Metro 2033 fan I've always wondered who in their right mind would like bland ass Anna as a character and think that her romantic relationship with Artyom is well written.
I guess I have my answers now. It's this coomer.
No. 2447136
>>2447133I'd actually argue the opposite. Those people don't need the thousands of
trigger warnings they request and can operate in the real world without them fine. It's only online where they force themselves to cry type and have panic attacks over seeing food because it's largely a subconscious power play, seeing how people will tag the most minuscule things for them, or just keywords to add a resume of what they're traumatized of for more
victim points.
No. 2447157
>>2447123I think “””anti””” zoomers are annoying and retarded but also I sympathize a little lol. I don’t give a fuck about “
problematic” ships but I keep meeting people who just want to shove it in your face like I’m supposed to be impressed that they like incest, and pick fights with dumb kids over it. I like “
problematic” ships too but I usually just block whoever says they’re against it or looks like a zoomer and just move on with my life.
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>>2447095It's funny because on the other hand you have Fear and Hunger, a game that features monsters with their dicks out, but everyone jokes about the male MCs getting raped and the second game is super woke with a MtF main character.
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>>2447248>>2447250It's ridiculous. Marina in Fear and Hunger 2 disliked his parents forcing him to cross dress. His moon scorched form clearly shows that. Troon mindset really shows than any trans representation is good.
I did like they toned down the SA in the second game though. I got anal bleeding status effect in like the first 2 mins of the first game.
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>>2447265Apparently a fanartist got piled on for drawing masculine Marina lol
They don't care about all the fetish coomer art of him though
Miro is smart for shutting the fuck up and not talking about these things at all.
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>>2447346>forgot its nameRedo of healer?
No. 2447364
>>2447346>healing rape anime Redo of Healer. Extremely fetishistic power fantasy thing where the MC was raped by a gang of heroes, goes back in time and rapes them all and brainwashes them to love him.
It's just hentai, it's literally just that.
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>>2447346I will say, there are a disproportionate amount of female Rance fans (chose picrel because obvious woman took this pic) but disproportionate /=/ majority like moids like to push. I've noticed Rance and their parent company's games have tons of female, LGB and tranny fans for the content they make. Well I guess troons being into it isn't surprising
No. 2447398
>>2447364>>2447346To be fair redo of healer was actually gay as fuck. This isn't a defense (it's trash) but there's a downright
bizarre amount of male on male violence to say it was written by a scrote.
No. 2447406
>>2447398>>2447392See for me the thing is that I enjoy mature sexy women, especially if they have confident personalities, so I can tolerate some ecchi things on a visual level alone.
The thing where I draw a line is violence towards women, it makes me want to jump out of my skin. You have to be an extreme masochist to be into Rance.
No. 2447409
>>2447398Redo of a healer was confirmed to be written by a man, there's an interview with him and the anime man if you wanna find it. I think the author is just a turbodegenerate which explains the tranny-tier plotline of keyaru dressing up as a woman to seduce a lesbian. There was also an oniishota ugly bastard rape scene. What the fuck is wrong with the author kek
>>2447406Absolutely.
>You have to be an extreme masochist to be into Rance.I will say of these women I've talked to that are huge into Rance, a lot of them if not literally all of them got raped as a kid. I nooticed this is the case with (biological) women into rape beyond just shoujo level fuckery, loli, and extreme violence towards women.
No. 2447428
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>>2447346The artist of Shield Hero is a woman, a yumefujo. The author is unconfirmed.
The story also becomes time loop homo madohomu after a while so it's not all that surprising that it has female fans.
>>2447398The author wrote it for a paycheck, he really just threw shit at the wall that he'd figure would get people outraged and "wow no way" enough to read. He saw there was "revenge" genre that didn't have anything going full tard with it so he made a series that was nothing but edgy revenge retard shit. The definition of shock schlock.
Not that his serious work is much better though.
No. 2447456
>>2447136I said what I said based on several people I know irl, including one who became a neet and a shut in so she could avoid anything that
triggers her (literally everything) and she could have more free time to argue with other fandom idiots. The ones joking that this type of people can't ask for ketchup at mcdonalds without stuttering and panicking aren't exaggerating.
No. 2447457
>>2447157I like
problematic ships and lean / would be considered proshipper but would never hang around people who label themselves that way or involve themselves in discourse. It's like they can't stfu and make content, they have to show off how edgy they are
No. 2447463
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>>2447428Might as well add this funny tidbit adter looking through her twitter, she actually drew the male characters for both Valentine's Day and White Day.
It seems like originally, she was going to draw female characters for the second holiday, but since apparently male weebs complained she drew them again. Said it was her personal account and she hoped they'd keep complaining about it.
No. 2447467
>>2447435I say disproportionate for a series of that nature, not majority. I'm talking about the western fanbase though, obviously the majority of female weebs/otaku both here and Japan aren't into stuff like Rance. I'm not trying to spread the narrative that "w-women are actually super into stuff like rance doods!", sorry if it came off as such.
>>2447463>It seems like originally, she was going to draw female characters for the second holiday, but since apparently male weebs complained she drew them again. Said it was her personal account and she hoped they'd keep complaining about it.Fucking BASED. I rarely seem women do stuff like that so I'm glad. I heard that Shield Hero had a notable fujo following in Japan but don't quote me on that. Do you have her Twitter bro?
No. 2447512
>>244745090% of VNs have been nukige, galge, or some other type involving mainly heterosexual romance. Otome and BL are a relatively smaller part of VNs. Check VNDB for an example of the number of entries that exist for nukige vs otome (Not counting of course, ones that are both. That's even more rare).
5604 results for otome
7760 results for nukige
That is a 2156 difference.
>>2447467>I'm talking about the western fanbase thoughYeah I'm not sure about that then, since VNs still aren't that popular in the West. Unless it's ones heavier on gameplay elements and it seems like this series is, so maybe that's why. Westerners just tend to like VNs with less reading and more gameplay.
No. 2447536
>>2447522>you know some things about VN fansWell I've been reading them since middle school and love them as a medium.
>like you're totally out of touchIn what way? I've read more VNs than you could count. I can talk circles around most people that bring them up.
>edgy english vtuber who even mentioned liking "gore screaming show" to get incel credI don't watch vtubers and don't care about that, but that sounds about right. People like to be melodramatic with "Oh, that's some fucked up hentai shit" when talking about VNs. Again, Japan doesn't help with this since they push out mostly nukige and because sex sells. At the same time, that doesn't mean VNs that don't involve scat/piss/shit/tentacle rape/etc. don't exist and there are plenty made that aren't. If anything, the "non-degen" ones are even more available to you now, looking at what has happened to the state of VN translation.
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>>2447477Damn a lot of her art is pretty gorgeous.
No. 2447547
>>2447536Yes, while VNs aren't big in the west as a form of media, it's undeniable that the infamous ones got translated and got attention. This tangles itself with the edgy culture that idolizes 4chan and some content creators that bait views with shock value.
Western anime fans undeniably have circles that try to one up each other about how deep in the know they are by showing the edgiest thing they read. In that niche group, saying you like Rance or Futa porn is so not like other girls and gives you otaku cred lol
No. 2447608
>>2447585>she larps as a tsundereReally? That's pretty sad, though I always assumed that she larped as a pervy hentai obsessed cool girl, aren't most tsunderes in anime pretty sex repulsed and call the self insert main guy a pervert over innocuous things?
I haven't seen harem shit in years so I don't really know.
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>>2447623HOLY SHIT I know this is meant to be a joke but this was… just really hard to get through.
No. 2447700
>>2447457This is pretty much where I'm at, too. There are pairings I ship specifically because they're unhealthy, which makes them more interesting to write fic about. I'm not into any of the crazy bullshit like incest or lolisho, I just like moral complexity in fiction, including romance.
A few years back, I remember a few zoomies on Tumblr discovering The Vampire Armand and having a conniption because Armand (a teenager) was infatuated with Marius, who was (biologically) 36. But they totally ignored all of the context around it: relationships between master painters and their young apprentices were unfortunately pervasive at the time, and the book makes it pretty clear that Armand's interactions with Marius had a lasting negative affect on him (not least because Marius turned Armand into a vampire when he was only 17). A lot of Armand's development throughout the book is focused around how he goes from venerating Marius to realizing how unhealthy their dynamic was. Forbidding that anyone depict these situations kind of throws the baby out with the bath water, because it lumps in critical, artistic examinations of morally complex topics with run-of-the-mill fetish slop.
Basically, my attitude towards portrayals of "
problematic" things has everything to do with the framing, and not exclusively with the content itself.
No. 2447733
>>2447428>Shield HeroYeah, I'm not skeptical of the female fans, other than the daughter-slave-love-interest and false rape thing—the pretty (light novel) character designs and mild fujobait can definitely justify female fans.
It's the "the author is actually a woman!!" shit that grates me. What woman would create a character who's surrogate daughter who's also a slave who's much younger than her physical body and calls the main male self-insert with "-sama"? And marries him and bears him kids in the end?
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Pathetic.
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>>2447815I don't really think it makes a difference since otome protagonists are usually silent or almost silent anyway so I guess you could pretend that they're a guy anyway.
If the option is there though I'm not gonna complain.
No. 2448005
>>2447815…Anyways
>Goes back to writing my otome that has a female main character because I'm writing for womenIt's in the fucking name, otome means maiden.
No. 2448028
>>2447815I wish EN fandoms had the same tagging and zoning autism JP/CN fandoms have. Even with the problems JP/CN fandoms have, I appreciate that rule as it allows me to avoid actually retarded people like picrel as they're usually beaten down. Pisses me off that they're still this resistant to accepting that otome is MxF romance for women
>>2448010Going for fujos as an alternate audience would be suicide for otome games. Do you mean joseimuke?
No. 2448041
>>2448028>Going for fujos as an alternate audience would be suicide for otome gamesWould it though? There's already fujos that draw BL for otome games so I don't think they'd be against playing them.
>>2448040Joseimuke is crazy popular though.
No. 2448056
>>2448051Look no further than CN otome players literally mobbing fujos all the time kekk. For a JP example, Virche Evermore also received quite a lot of criticism just for having a minor side character being implied to like one of the LIs.
>>2448053And BL VNs aren't dying too? If anything, it's the otome game players (at least with LADS) who seem to be spending more
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>>2448056>And BL VNs aren't dying too? No?
No. 2448072
>>2448062It is a gacha, but it is also an otome game. The CN players call it an otome game, and the developers themselves do as well.
>>2448057I am referring to recent releases. VNs, in general, are declining, and compared to BL, otome games are getting more releases. Anyways, like
>>2448067 said, target audiences exist.
No. 2448076
>>2448071That is true but BL has always gotten like one or two new games a year.
As for otome, it's just because otomate's parent company releases a thousand shovelware games a year (just look at the fucking neptunia series).
>>2448074People still buying them though, I don't get why it matters how old they are.
No. 2448082
>>2448077I get the argument for this in the case of stuff like huniepop where the protagonist has a gender option but is very very very obviously meant to be a guy but I don't see how there's a big enough difference between fujo and otome since they're both shoujo genres for it to matter, not to mention that a lot of these games have silent or almost silent protagonists.
>>2448081Gacha's just taking over fucking everything, only thing that's kind of hanging on is shitty ass vtubers.
No. 2448111
>>2448108Yeah I agree that demanding it is pretty entitled, I just think the option itself being there isn't a bad thing.
>especially when moids don't play this stuff anywayIt's not for moids it's for fujos, the game in pic rel literally advertised itself as an otome/BL.
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otometwt always feels the need to force this argument every week
No. 2448219
I don't get why some anons are confused that women want content without gay men or gay baiting, after the last decade or two of fandom having people like this
>>2446748People are obsessed with discussing and speculating the sexuality of characters even in stories where it's a married character with children.
No. 2448232
>>2447815Once again fujotrannies complaining that otomes don't feature their zipperboi fantasies. What is the LI even going to do? Screaming "you're heckin
valid" everytime they hold hands?
(fujosperging outside of containment) No. 2448281
>>2448262Yeah, I was thinking of all female artists, including tifs lol
I know less than a handful female artists that draw male coomer style porn and they only do it for the money
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I fucking hate how bixels draw rarijack. They have Applejack acting like a sweaty wimpy simp. And her attitude feels so moidish. The way they draw expressions is annoying too.
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She always looks like she's about to hump her leg
No. 2448451
>>2447815Then don't call it otome then? Why do people feel the need to invade female genres but no one does the same for stuff aimed for men?
>>2448125Idk, this is actually problem in the otome community. LaDs opened the door to so many normies ideas about VNs and naturally most of them dripping in retardation. Have any of these people played nightshade?
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>>2448435Come read Chinese fics translated on yandex with me nona it's better here
No. 2448519
>>2448513And normal people also don't look at this
>>2448331 >>2448329 and genuinely think it looks good and get upset that people rightfully think it's fuck ugly.
No. 2448521
>>2448125>The OP postOk… obviously she needs to play more otome but it didn't seem like she was trashing the genre. I wouldn't be surprised if "games" also included waifu/omnipandering slop.
>>2448451Tbf these arguments were around in the community before LADS. A game comes out with an MC with some active traits and idiots act like it's revolutionary, while other idiots can't defend a more passive MC without sounding misogynistic about it.
No. 2448525
>>2448125>>2448521I genuinely don't know many otome where the MC isn't super passive and fine with guys kidnapping her or doing other shit.
The ones that come to mind are collar x malice and tokimemo.
No. 2448561
>>2448555LOL that's not the issue people have
nonnie, it's not written as a psychological horror of a woman escaping kidnapping- it's written like a woman slowly giving up and being worn down by an
abusive moid
No. 2448580
>>2448566Nta but she said "not fat white women" not "fat not white women"
>>2448574Still nta but literally who gives a fuck that some other anon made a joke about how twittards draw as
>>2448553 said. If you draw like this, awesome, no one is saying you should kill yourself over your they/she coded ponies.
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Do you retards ever shut up(ai/infight bait/spoiler your shit)
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>>2448329>>2448331How did they make her look so bulky and ugly? She's just supposed to be a farm girl. Even in the (cursed) Equestria Girls show design she's drawn as a thin girl who is strong and can use power tools kek
No. 2448679
>>2448672I don't think it's so persecuted when 50 shades of gray became mainstream, booktok is a thing, Colleen Hoover is mainstream etc.
Maybe zoomers are having breakdowns on twitter, but there's straight omegaverse being written and published
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>>2448706Got any recs for games where the MC is taking the lead in romantic situations and one of the love interests is kind of shy?
No. 2448724
>>2448716Does she have to take the lead all the time? Or just she not have to be receiving all the advances all the time?
The first thing that comes to mind is Olympia Soiree Riku and Tokisada routes.
And if you really look at localized otome games, you can't clearly divide who's more receptive and who's more assertive in the relationship
No. 2448733
>>2448728I'm saying what good does it do you to brainrot over "
toxic" tropes when real life men are already shit.
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>>2448716nta but also Hibari the mc from Variable Barricade, shes a bitchy tsundere ojou sama, which ironically makes it a very controversial otoge, people either love it or hate.
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>>2448788Oh
nonnie, you don't even know
My favourite was when she comissioned art of herself as a fat futa giving penis birth to gigguk
or was it the other way around? Either way someone posted it on /w/
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>>2448791nta but another funny
and horrid fact she also showed this porn to her own mother too
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Danganronpa women getting coomer bunny girl figures while the moids get boring generic slop figures is probably one of the best examples I've seen of a work treating its female fans like subhumans. I'm not a DR fan at all but I feel bad for the women into it
No. 2449143
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>>2449127This. In BLVNs the uke is obviously its own character with a personality. Bl ukes even get figures and merch, something you dont see generic mary sue otome protagonists get because the point of them is to serve as a self insert for players, not to be an actual character.
(fujosperg outside containment) No. 2449152
>>2449142I think you're being ridiculous if you think all people see a piece of fiction and consume it the same way. Some people self-insert, some are obsessed with a character or ship.
>Otome is about literally a tabula rasa, barely on-screen MC meant to be (you) interacting with the boy you want to date, not a romance between two standalone characters.At least stop talking about a genre you obviously never read.
>>2449143>something you dont see generic mary sue otome protagonists get because the point of them is to serve as a self insert for players, not to be an actual characterThis feels like underage baiting from an NLOG fujo who just discovered dmmd
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>>2449143>something you dont see generic mary sue otome protagonists getOtome protagonists get plenty of merch, regardless of whether they're seen as simply a self-insert or a character by the player.
No. 2449180
>>2449179well according to
>>2449130 ukes in blvns and otome protagonists are the same thing so
(fujosperg outside containment) No. 2449186
>>2449143you have no idea what you're talking about
>>2449160I go to otome for good female characters but sure keep thinking BL is superior and supporting the misogynistic battle shounen slop that makes you hate women
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The gacha talk was less annoying.
No. 2449203
>>2449200They are though. This thing
>>2449165 looks as generic as you can get. Next you are going to tell me kirito is actually a deep and complex character.
No. 2449210
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>>2449194The BL/Otome sperg remains in an eternal time loop. We're going to experience it again, and again, and again.
No. 2449237
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The fujotranny internalised misogyny meme is so real.(fujosperging outside of containment)
No. 2449327
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>>2449210why cant we all just get along and sing kumbayah
No. 2449403
>>2449210I don't understand why we have to have spergouts over fujos and otomes all the time
as a mega fujo, why can't we just accept each other as nerdy women?
No. 2449452
>>2449363Anything is better than shounenslop.
josei > seinen > shoujo > moebuta >>>>>>>>>>>> shounenshit
No. 2449457
File: 1742255568544.jpg (Spoiler Image,75.77 KB, 382x551, 1000020709.jpg)
>>2449260mhm. she draws male characters like slenderman is always the reference.
No. 2449458
>>2449173The figure industry is pretty misogynist in general, the only scale figures I can think of specifically for women are
>Nitro chiral characters (including touken ranbu)>Ten count figures>Ikemen batman series>Twisted wonderland figures>Free figures>And a couple of male fate characters here and there Compare this to figures for men coming out every single week and the only cast off figures being the nitro chiral and ten count ones.
No. 2449490
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>>2449470And then 99% of the time the figures designed by women are pic rel…
No. 2449501
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>>2449493Every now and then they design figures of female characters that go pretty heavy on the female gaze, but I wouldn't say it's terribly common.
>>2449499The artist who drew the original illustration (yuyuco) is a woman.
No. 2449506
>>2449501Still a pickme whore but ultimately the sculptor is a male so I can't be too assblasted
>>2449458On the brightside, there's a Nu Carnival castoff figure coming soon
No. 2449514
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>>2449506>Still a pickme whoreThat's the thing with a lot of modern female moe artists, their stuff is basically indistinguishable from the stuff being put out by men, compare this to 2000s moe where some of it was pretty obviously drawn by women.
No. 2449546
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>>2449501thanks for reminding me about this artist (yogisya), i love her work. funny how generic moe art is harder to distinguish but this style is instantly clockable as being drawn by a woman
No. 2449556
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>>2449546A lot of women into touhou have that instantly recognizable flowy feminine art style while with guys it's either coom or super simplified chibis.
No. 2449569
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That's because it isn't meant to be "representation."
No. 2449575
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Continuing the otomesperg but if you guys are interested on non-doormat mcs, Mistonia no Kibou is getting localized soon and the mc Applause is a stoic serious maid (who is actually a noblewoman who lost everything planning to kill some of the LIs).
No. 2449589
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>>2449585
To be fair it is weird when in shows like sailor moon they're constantly going on about how Usagi is a fatass when she looks like this
No. 2449682
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>VN that features a tranny character admits that he can never be a girl
>comments: "OMG MUH REPRESENTATION!!!"
Lol then does that mean you lot will finally admit you aren't women
No. 2449726
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Not trying to start anything, but why aren't there yuri games by women for women? Is it too niche?
No. 2449733
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>>2449726handmaiden backtracking on the wrongthink real quick lol
No. 2449736
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>>2449726Probably because there's not a big difference between yuri for men and yuri for women (I'm genuinely not sure what audience flowers was made for), compare this to BL and bara where they might as well be from separate universes.
No. 2449742
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>>2449726>why aren't there yuri games by women for women?Why are fujosharts always so quick to claim something about yuri that's not true? You're a fucking Google away from not embarrassing yourself like the ball gargling retards you all fucking are.
>>2449736FLOWERS has a female writer but it's clearly meant for both sexes. It's something pretty common in media where yuri is not specially popular with just a single sex like in videogames and anime, so the producers need to pander to both. This is in part why I stopped reading YH series, even though those fuckers never had a problem with revenue they decided they needed to have more male audience to increase the sales so they started shitting out garbage stories despite the authors being female. I hate manga editors so much they deserve an eternity burning in hell.
(fujosperging) No. 2449752
File: 1742270630513.png (2.14 MB, 1656x640, otome with yuri routes.png)
>>2449745>why should otome have yuri routes? There are some
No. 2449761
>>2449744Not true, Korean and Chinese yuri are made with a female audience in mind and they're extremely popular with lesbians, bisexuals, fakebians, gendies, etc. The pandering to scrotes is a JP thing because boomer moids control the already established publishers and editors are retarded and out of touch with their readerbase. Korean and Chinese works are mostly web self-published and from there a reputable publisher might pick it up. In Japan this isn't common (though it's getting there), the most common way of self-publishing is through doujinshi and they don't make any money out of it in most cases, very few doujinshi end up making a proper serialization. Even then there are many women that constantly pump out yuri doujins for GLFest and Comiket, but they are physical works so they might not be scanned, and much less translated. I follow like a gorillion lesbians that make yuri doujins in twitter, it's just impossible to get hold of their works outside Japan because they only print them for events.
No. 2449883
>>2449775Okay but
>yaoi it up with some dudesis an incredibly hilarious group of words
No. 2449886
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Moids who get mad at "ship bait" in gacha games and demand that all characters just be waifus that worship their self-insert MC enrage me because I feel like stories in media are literally defined by the relationships between the characters. They are defined by the complex feelings that characters can feel towards other characters, whether that be love, hate, jealousy, admiration, etc. I feel like when all characters are just waifus that love you for no reason, it takes something away from the story. Makes it bland and boring and forgettable. Shipping is so important in fandoms because it is essentially the exploration of the dynamic and relationship between two characters. It feels like it goes deeper than just romance.
No. 2449909
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>>2449886Reminded me of this (not really into ships like this though)
No. 2449910
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So, texas is making it a felony to own drawn and fictional csa material and lolicons (both right and left) are freaking out, claiming this is a blow against freedom. even fujos are worried and complaining because it will affect their yaoi, meanwhile normal decent people are celebrating
No. 2449926
>>2449914Actually, I do wonder if hentai anime/manga having their own sites completely seperate from Pornhub makes a difference.
The less competition, the better right?
No. 2449958
File: 1742287063979.png (Spoiler Image,360.68 KB, 350x466, Molested_cartoon.png)
How funny they never touched home-grown child pornographers even though they had decades to do it. Playboy was peddling kiddie porn since its very inception and well into the 80s. See
https://lolcow.farm/2X/res/7420.html#38758>>2449948>we would have exterminated themWho is we? Your weak pickme ass? Afghanistan or another shithole where children can be legally raped at 9 was the norm until very recently. I'm not even a blackpiller, but you should stop living in delusions about 'noble human nature'.
No. 2449985
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>>2449961That must mean 80% of the world lives in the Bronze Age according to you. That some places rose above that is an unheard of aberration.
No. 2449999
>>2449910>As detailed by Dexerto in a recent report, Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick has announced that the unanimous passing of Senate Bill 20, Stopping Artificial Intelligence (AI) Generated Child Pornography, by Sen. Pete Flores, R-Pleasanton. If signed into law, this would create a new felony offense for possessing or promoting material depicting a child under 18 years old “regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software.”
>The broad scope of the description here should be something of note to anime and manga fans as the “cartoon or animation” has a rather open description for what could fall under this new bill. As it describes, “A person commits an offense if the person knowingly possesses, accesses with intent to view, or promotes obscene visual material containing a depiction that appears to be of a child younger than 18 years of age engaging in activities described by Section 43.21(a)(1)(B), regardless of whether the depiction is an image of an actual child, a cartoon or animation, or an image created using an artificial intelligence application or other computer software.”>Unfortunately for many anime and manga projects, series often depict adolescent or characters younger than 18 in what could be seen as “obscene” situations. It’s likely going to be a case by case basis as this potential bill (or law) develops in the future, but this could lead to a much larger ban of materials in the state due to some content. Just think of breakout hits like Kill la Kill, The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You, and other series that wear their obscenity on their sleeves. No. 2450006
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>>2449999>100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love YouGuess the mc is gonna have to have another talk with the big cheese.
No. 2450010
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>>2450006kek how is japan okay with lolis but not with this? i noticed a lot of 80s anime are more mature, showing teens smoking, talking about condoms and going to night clubs. Kimagure Orange road feels so chad and ground breaking next to the virgin ''we can show little girls underwear but no smoking or swearing or beer pls'' modern harem slop
No. 2450015
>>2450010Tbf, the joke is that they have an alcohol episode anyway and call it "drinking juice and pretending real hard".
Guess that and the "this isn't a cigarette, it's a super lollipop" is the equivalent to "400 yo loli/nbr incest".
No. 2450016
>>2449992the bill is adding a section into an existing law, so you'd have to look at that existing law for the full context. it's only targeting "indistinguishably" real depictions of CSAM, even if they don't exist, because of AI.
no one is taking away anime, because how would you even enforce that.
No. 2450025
>>2450021Europe had
still does animal and child brothels
No. 2450068
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LGBT degenerates will say something like this wholeheartedly then wonder why the narrative is shifting into thinking all of them are child predators kek(bait)
No. 2450114
>>2449910Can't you just lie about age as anime pedophile types have done for 70 years or so with 5000 year old vampire toddlers? How does "appears 18 or younger" even work in practice? People have already said in this thread its incredibly retarded since real child porn is circulated in the form of "the classics" masterpieces of cinema to the average moid, child pageants and lots of porn old and new exists which depicts women under the age of 18. Its all performative nonsense espoused by roleplaying "conservative" pedo moids, but its better than nothing and makes pedos seethe.
Maybe one day real child porn will be outlawed in some way, even if ineffective which could stigmatize child predatory behavior again, and porn sites will be restricted somewhat to only showing adult women degraded, beaten, raped and humiliated. One can only dream of a world with the barest of human decency towards women and girls.
No. 2450185
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but 4chan got even more incel core than before, now these newfags are posting pics of their hands in video game threads and spouting random misogyny. You used to at least get banned for offtopic
No. 2450206
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thirdie nonna's, how true is this?
No. 2450218
>>2450216I don't think that law is enforced NEARLY as much as media would have you believe. Like, there was some manga stocked at my
secondary school with underage panty shots and fanservice (Soul Eater being one of them) and afaik nothing ever happened.
No. 2450231
>>2450216The same way they deal with people who watch real cp; fuck all.
Unless you consider a suspended sentence, community work, 5 years on a register and attending a rehabilitation course to be an adequate response.
No. 2450233
>>2449726>why no yuri games by women for women? Is it too niche?yes. compare /m/'s yuri thread to the yaoi one or all of /g/. most yuri for actual women are korean or chinese or thai novels and webtoons which are pretty awesome btw. i wish there was a name for yuri by and for women (like bara), but troons would instantly invade and bara usually has a unique art style
>>2449910How would they even enforce this? I ship characters who are canonically 17 and I'm not a pedo
No. 2450283
>>2449726When did this push for "inclusiveness" for Otome even come from? Otome is an escapist genre for
women—otome literally means maiden.
And why Otome of all things? Do you see girls pestering Bishoujo-loving moids to "p-please put cute boys in your VNs for us…!" in their Katawa Shoujo/Everlasting Summer rip-offs?
That, and the genre of customizable protagonist with love interests of the same sex already exists. Baldur's Gate, Started Valley, that Fire Emblem game with the toothpaste protagonist hello?? Go there??
No. 2450337
>>2450283>When did this push for "inclusiveness" for Otome even come from?Other women, usually TIFs, "NBs", or women sympathetic of them, and gay men.
>And why Otome of all things? They are attracted to men and Otome happens to be the bigger genre to provide that.
>Baldur's Gate, Started Valley, that Fire Emblem game with the toothpaste protagonist hello?? TBF those are just games with romance mechanics in it, not even good ones, not really comparable to otome or galgames. In the west "Amare" games exists (basically LBGT games or otome games where the devs just slap a pronouns/gender option) but isn't wide spread and disregarded entirely on places like VNDB.
No. 2450339
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>>2450185>/hsrg/Kek I was lurking on the same thread but hasn't that place always been like this? They seethe over male characters and women that play hsr, especially fujos, in every single thread. I do not even like to visit that general, but the thread on /m/ has been dead for ages so I kind of have no choice.
No. 2450346
>>2450312>Before then Japanese men generally preferred small breasts and "youthful" girls aka lolisYoung men preferring young women is normal, but women is the keyword. Women are allowed to have small breasts without it being "loli". Minky Momo saw the initial rise of the lolicon subculture, much to the disgust of the creators, but future magical girl animes would take note of this and subtly pander in ways that didn't matter on the surface, but likely subliminally groomed a lot of young girls into being okay with pedophilia.
>>2450333There's no way it's coming for anime because we've reached a point where the west is integral to the money going into the anime industry. If you need proof of this, look at how Hololive hardly even introduces Japanese talents anymore, and even when they did, they made sure to get one who was also fluent in English. The dubbing industry is quite large, simulcasts are the norm, anime is everywhere you go now, every other strip mall in a suburb of a major US city has some store that doubles on anime and k-pop merch with lolicon figures dotting the shelves. We're in too deep, if they get rid of anime then they get rid of a lot of jobs, and there's too much pedoshit in anime to just pass this bill without getting rid of anime.
No. 2450416
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>>2449514Sayori (the illustrator behind Nekopara) is such a mystery to me, is she a lesbian with shit moid taste or a straight pickme? because i remember her drawing girls since the dawn of her career, it was all touhou at the time and when she does draw men they're hideous. but all she's been doing recently is drawing moe catgirls getting dicked in disgusting ways and her artstyle's getting moidier and moidier, idk what's her deal but it's fascinating
No. 2450452
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>>2450416Considering her art has gotten moidier and moidier, it was probably for the money, honestly. And power to her, she's probably the richest modern day eroge dev. I think the artist who is probably the biggest mystery to me is Shiratama, I thought she was a man for the longest time and was genuinely shocked to learn she's a woman, but on second thought, her innocent art feels far too sexually devoid so it makes sense. Aoki Ume, aka the Madoka Magica character designer also did lolicon eroge art back in the day, so maybe it's just being a gen x female otaku in 2000s japan, idk.
No. 2450466
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>>2450444She even drew porn of herself. And yeah, she's married
No. 2450498
>>2450283>Baldur's Gate, Started Valley, that Fire Emblem game with the toothpaste protagonist hello?? Go there??I saw a good rant on the lack of popularity of 'dating games' in the west, and it mostly came down to these games being mentioned and that the audience wants a fully fleshed out game with dating mechanics attached rather than a romance VN. A lot of the girls that played these moved on to Love and Deepspace, so there's also a demand for high quality and not tumblr 2d sprites, but very few moid studios would make that risk.
>>2450339I don't usually browse the hoyo threads because they move too fast (I'm more on /jp/ and smaller game threads), but it's really bad, like 10x worse than the FGO threads 8 years ago, especially now that there's 3 big games competing. Then there's the Blue Archive "galge" fags shitposting in other threads how every game is inferior if it's not strictly female characters and coom lol
I'm also surprised how there's still a twst general on /vg/ but that's probably because the game has more gay man bait than LADS lol
No. 2450509
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>>2450466Meanwhile there's Annin Doufu who's also only been drawing girls but lately she had a kid and has been mostly lowkey, never tapped into full moid territory despite drawing for a more fanservice franchise rather than shoujo
It's interesting to see
No. 2450526
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>>2450511>um aktually this is totally a normal occurrence guiz i mean who else doesnt get harassed for drawing big titted coomer bait (did you know i have small breasts just letting you know again)? am i right youre right, i am definitely one of those fattie boogeymen you keep thinking about schizo anachan
(baiting) No. 2450612
>>2450337Some female geeks really need to realize that there's nothing wrong making a genre solely for them and them only. They're not evil exclusionist misandrists if they are.
I have a feeling this masochistic push for "inclusivness" (aka moids and trannies) comes from feeling excluded from male geek spaces—the stereotype of the fake geek girl or ethot gamer—they project that hurt onto others and feel that if they don't open up whatever niche they have to everyone else (whether it's Lolita fashion or Nikki) then they're just like those male nerds who looked down on them for being a femaaaaaaleeee.
No. 2450619
>>2450416>>2450452I don't think it's rocket science. These women probably genuinely like cute shit and only do the gross porn stuff for the ¥¥¥.
I mean, if I had Sayori's rendermaxxing skills I'd definitely do what she's doing (except the lolishit ofc). My brain got poisoned by early hentai anyway and I'm pretty sure it's the same for them too. Probably.
No. 2450633
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>>2450285Nicaragua?
>>2450346>future magical girl animes would take note of this and subtly pander in ways that didn't matter on the surface, but likely subliminally groomed a lot of young girls into being okay with pedophiliaI think this is why rewatching Sailor Moon felt so insidious to me, especially after I became a radfem. The main protags are girls in skimpy outfits while the love interest is 18 while Usagi is 14 (though this wasn't the case in the original manga) and there are pantyshots of a physically 9 year old girl.
>>2450416Fun fact: Nekopara wouldn't exist if not for Rance. She based Vanilla and Chocola off La Hawzel and Saizel from Rance because she liked the concept of identical twins with opposite personalities so much she decided to make an eroge about it. With all of this in mind she's probably a pickme
No. 2450645
>>2450625Punishing is in quotation marks because it's fandom drama bullshit, how zoomers on twitter fling shit at each other. It's like when you don't like something, but instead of just saying "I don't like it" you look for a "
valid" reason to fling shit at it.
For example, let's say an artist only draws straight ship art of a character that has a wide fanbase. If the artist openly says "I'm not interested in drawing gay ships" they might get spammed with "omg x is homophobic" and people gleefully jump onto that because they didn't like the artist in the first place. It happens often in the Arcane fandom, kek.
So my point is, some people aren't motivated to actually have trans and male protagonists in female oriented games, sometimes they just want to complain for not reason.
No. 2451031
>>2449909What I'm saying is that
>moid self-inserters cringe, annoying
>Shipping enjoyers poets, physicists, playwrights, engineers, those with discerning taste in wine and architecture
No. 2451110
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>>2451080It's just the most boring option for a ship in my opinion. Whether it's yuri, BL or het it's so fucking uncreative.
No. 2451124
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>>2451118I do see a lot of women into that 'yurify everything' shit lately (I have nothing against yuri but taking obvious vent art from teenage girls and making it moeblob yuri is annoying)
Only thing worse is when they end up as sister wives who make out with each other.
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>>2451124Like it's pretty telling that the only gay male fanart you see of this is obvious joke art of the chad and the virgin.
(fujosperging) No. 2451133
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>>2451130When it first started out with creamsicle it was clearly drawn in a tongue in cheek way by lesbians but you can tell all of it now is just troons kek.
No. 2451146
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>>2451133Kek I remember these drawings, I always understood where the criticism of them (and memes) came from. However at the same time I always saw them as girls just feeling ostracized from other women for not conforming to femininity, it was much less annoying than the NLOGs we have now because it was usually just teenage girls doing it. It was all undeniably cringe though. I always loved the lesbian art of those comics
No. 2451151
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>>2451146Agreed. I definitely get where the criticism of them comes from but a lot of them were pretty clearly just meant as vent art from girls who were getting bullied at school for being different and it turned into people bullying them on the internet for not conforming or being fetishbait for men.
No. 2451160
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>>2451146I don't like nlogs who try to appeal to men but I was an nlog because I was isolated from other girls irl as a child. It sucked. I hate comics like picrel. Bullying from other girls can be cruel and some girls are weird enough that nobody wants to be around them. The nlog turned yuri stuff seemed like an easy way to farm updoots on Reddit and now it appeals to troons.
No. 2451165
>>2451160It's the type of comic that assumes it's the other girl who's at fault for not fitting in and being bullied (nooo the other girls are actually super nice and interested in the nerdy shit you're into!), if they grew up as a girl who GOT bullied they'd understand how horribly cruel girls can be to other girls who are outcasts.
It definitely tracks why it's so popular with troons, it fits their view of being a woman as being a never ending slumber party where everyone wears lingerie and makes out.
No. 2451170
>>2451160I like your reply nona. Your picrel pissed me off when I first saw it because it
never happens. Unless nlogs are pandering to scrotes, they’re usually girls who are on the spectrum, have weird interests, or are gay or whatever. It’s not their fault they get bullied, they’re not purposely pushing other women away. I hated how much girls got relentlessly bullied back then for simple things like not wearing makeup and feeling like an outcast , all under the guise of feminism. It’s gotten even worse now, if you try to express the fact you’re not feminine or that you don’t relate to other girls you get called a “pick-me”. How about we teach people not to make fun of girls for being different? that’d get rid of the actual NLOG problem.
No. 2451178
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>>2451175>>2451176Truly the edit is the accurate version.
No. 2451188
>>2451160picrel is kinda funny because it's not actually about her realising that the women she sees as 'other' from her might still be worthwhile people or even share similarities with her, it's her passive ass getting drawn into a nice, friendly group that
is like her– they're drawn in more casual/'non-feminine' clothes than those Other Girls, and just so happen to like things she likes. Girls and women who feel like they don't fit in with the average group of women around them and feel discomfort or distress about that aren't at fault, especially since they're usually pining for female friends who
are like them, and yeah many of them get bullied and shamed for just being themselves. It's such a weird genre of dismissive comics/posts.
Tbh I hate the way the term NLOG is used to just put down any woman who tries to express this or is even just being herself and not talking about other women/their habits at all (I get what most people here use the term for, a very specific sort of personality/behaviour, but I see it elsewhere used for any woman expressing disconnect with other women or 'feminine things', even in discussions about fiction. It's just another way to dismiss and police women who might not socially conform in some way)
No. 2451189
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>Aw that's kinda cute
>Sees subject post
No. 2451191
>>2451178this hit too close to home, I remember other girls calling me a lesbian, saying my clothing smelled terrible, and daring each other to touch me.
>>2451188I wish we could get more nuanced discussions or deceptions of isolated girls / women outside of the whole "I'm quirky but cute in a socially accepted way" or depictions that downplay female bullying. The best depiction I've seen so far is Lilo because she had issues and was genuinely weird. I also like how she wasn't cutesy or completely a
victim either, she didn't read the room or integrate socially. It made her interesting.
(blogposting) No. 2451200
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>>2451191Tomoko was kinda like this but then they just made it a generic CGDCT yuri manga
No. 2451202
>>2451191I AM a lesbian and girls would constantly play me (autist so I could never tell they were picking on me), would make me do favors for them like a pet whenever I thought I was making friends, just go up to me and say homophobic stuff, and they acted like I was a literal sex offender for existing and being weird. They'd treat me like a disease for simply not being into scrotes and being more masculine. After all of that I just said fuck it and did online school, best decision ever
>>2451178Fuck this is so accurate
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>>2451200Early Tomoko is so painfully relatable.
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This is fucking hilarious, I hope she breaks up with him, files for a refund and gets the account banned.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1jem774/aio_my_fiance_spent_600_on_gacha/ No. 2451552
>>2451526Sorry but I don't see any bullying in the original comic? Only in the edit by a
nonnie later. Girls with stereotypical feminine interests are not necessarily equal to bullies, such girls simply not actively befriending loners isn't bullying even if it's sad for the person involved. Ofc some of them will indeed be bullies but it's not the point of the comic, there is a lot of projecting going on in this thread.
No. 2451571
>>2451552NTA but the point was that in real life the situation rarely goes how the comic depicted.
>>2451188 made a perfect breakdown of how this comic is an actual slap in the face for everyone who got ostracized by the average peers for being, literally, not like other girls.
No. 2451591
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The youngest zoomers already have fandom fatigue.
No. 2451628
>>2451610Everyone has to pretend they're morally superior now. But once someone gets "exposed", for objectively
valid reasons from the majority, then they unleash all the aggressive insults they've held in.
You can get away with saying stuff that was previously forbidden if the majority hates the person.
No. 2451649
>>2451552I'm not automatically equating feminine girls to bullies but I doubt the girl in the comic would even focus so much on the disconnect from her peers to begin with unless she were being bullied or at least ostracized by
someone, not just feminine girls. It's extremely common to be treated poorly by a wide range of people if you are gay, have autism, are poor, or are a nerd or tomboyish. Look at all the anons blogging ITT about how they were treated as an outcast. Posting comics like that basically telling people who are outcast for one reason or another to basically fawn at their unaccepting peers until someone treats them nicely in order to be accepted rather than facing the that sometimes you just won't get along and people can be cruel is pretty disingenuous
No. 2451660
>>2451160The realistic version of this comic would be the same thing until the 5th panel, then the other girls start saying things like
>a pokemon tshirt? that's for kids, move on>why are you dressed like THAT? ew what do you mean you never wear skirts or high heels? you're a girl, you should!>haha you never talk to us, what's wrong with you? that's so weird, why do you never talk? is something wrong? you should talk to us more often! oh no we're not your friends though who would want that haha>we were talking about the latest episode of that one reality tv show, wait what do you don't understand what we're talking about? you've never watched it? wtf, what's wrong with you?!And the last panel would be these girls spreading rumors about the main one being retarded or being a pick me.
No. 2451666
>>2451658I don’t know what incredibox is either, but to answer your question despite the obsession with ‘special interests’ a lot of autists pretty regularly switch them out for the newest colorful children or man children media
Just look at how popular welcome home was despite just being a web page with some quality art and super mild ‘horror’.
If you want a widespread audience all you really need are
>short enough runtime so that it’s not difficult for them to get into>colorful imagery >either be fully accessible to children or have adult themes only in the form of sex jokes or saying curse words rather than actual emotional intelligence >a creepypasta monsterI think homestuck started this trend but I could be wrong
No. 2451682
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>>2451591>YoungestThe person who made this is 19 kek.
No. 2451741
>>2450573I block
>Anyone with a troon flag who doesn’t follow me>Anyone with troon HCs who doesn’t follow mePeople who already follow me get muted because they would notice if they got blocked as long as they keep troonshit to themselves, so I can have plausible deniability. To prevent people from finding patterns and jumping on me for being a
terf I also mass block
>Right wingers>People who participate in socmed discourse (both sides of any issue)>Anyone who self IDs as proship or anti>Anyone who ships something I dislike/has headcanons I hate>Anyone who badmouths my favorite series using its search term>Coomer moids and shounenbros >Anyone who mildly annoys me in general No. 2451742
>>2451738>incredibly longIt’s not, you could easily read the entire thing in a day or over a weekend it’s just so boring that it seems long. Most people didn’t actually bother reading it though and just watched youtube videos.
I’ll say that it’s slightly better than what we see currently though in that sense though since you would have to dedicate more than 3 hours to the source material.
>difficult to get intoIt probably is nowadays since flash is dead, but when homestuck was a big fandom the literal only requirement is that you’re able to read dull ass writing mixed with dull ass art because everything was free and hosted on one website. I think the vast majority of people just skipped to the part with the trolls and basically turned it into a ‘tag yourself’ system.
No. 2451745
>>2451744I never read all of homestuck, I’ve just heard of people reading it in that amount of time.
Why would I waste my time reading 800k of trash kek.
No. 2451749
>>2450573I'm very open about being a
terf, so yes. I also block:
>"queers">rightoids>thieltards>engagement bait accounts>homophobes/lesbophobes>annoying people No. 2451751
>>2451747I read up to arc 5 and it was some of the worst writing I had ever seen, I can see why autists like it though
>characters are generic as hell but all cut from the same cloth so they’re easy to draw>le quirky humor (BUCKETS HEHE)>trolls just exist as shitty meme factories to project onto>random edgy shit thrown in for good measure It’s basically invader zim of the tumblr era.
No. 2451770
>>2451757Did you ever consider that the bucket joke became popular because the series itself is a bunch of shitty memes? Sometimes autists just latch onto one particular meme because it’s so wacky and le random.
>people who don't read the comic and only engage with the fandom love to pretend it's regularly occurring Homestuck humorI already said that was a large portion of Homestuck’s fanbase. It was just pretty common for a while for people to get into fandoms so they could try and make friends. This was super common with bronies, lots of them didn’t watch the show and just regurgitated memes+R34.
No. 2451778
>>2451755Probably a weird combo of the social media-propagated idea that every random person's opinion is worth something and the newfag compulsion to spaz out and be a
hater because they've never experienced anonymity online before so they want to get things out of their system
No. 2451840
>>24518373 is roblox, you must have heard of it
6 is colorful stage, the hatsune miku mobile rhythm game
No. 2451845
>>2451831It’s been several years and I really don’t think it matters if I use arc instead of act for a shitty webcomic that super tismos liked over a decade ago.
It’s like giving a shit about people calling the chicken in fnaf a duck.
No. 2451847
>>2451831Yeah, there's no way she even got past the intermission kek
>>2451840Something about new vocaloid fans complaining about incest is funny to me. Do they know about adolescence or onii yuukai?
No. 2452031
>>2451438jannies just hate you because blogging isn’t even banned in /ot/
>>2451253I agree so much. tomoko really was a icon for loser women everywhere
>>2451666fake autists more like
No. 2452060
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The moment trannydom infected fandom was the beginning of the end. Now you can't even look at fanart or read fic anymore without being assailed by man with pussy everywhere. It almost makes me wish we could go back to the Homestuck days where everyone drew trolls with tentacle dicks. At least I don't remember ever seeing a troll drawn as a tranny. It will take decades to fix what was done to fandom.
No. 2452081
>>2452060I pray for all the Daniil husbandofags that the reddit, tumblr and twitter sect of the Patho fandom explodes so they don't have to see art of the Bachelor with a pussy anymore.
Amen.
No. 2452106
>>2452071Nta but I think
>>2452062 is half-right. Coomers want to self-insert as a futa fucking their waifu because they want to see her get penetrated, but they'd get too jealous if it were a normal moid doing it. Instead, they staple a cock on some other big booba anime bimbo and have her fuck the waifu instead. They get twice the tits and don't have to feel insecure about seeing a guy way hotter than them fuck the lady they thirst for. But there's also an element of repressed bisexuality, too; these men are titillated by seeing these cartoonishly large veiny cocks, but having them be attached to a generic anime girl allows them to "no homo" it. I think a lot of supposedly straight moids have latent bisexual tendencies that can be
triggered by overconsumption of porn.
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>>2452092The artist already nuked her profile but you can only find this mesh of westaboo art in kr fans lmao
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>fiction only affects the reality of stupid people
>is a degen pro-shippper
No. 2454332
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>>2454305its funny
not really considering the fans that all of these viktor fans conveniently forget he has a canon girlfriend (who sadly gets so little attention she gets no fanart)
No. 2454376
>>2454332Were they dating? She seemed more like a fan with a crush the scientist man barely noticed until shit hit the fan.
Its not an uncommon trope either.
No. 2454419
>>2454365Sorry nona, I think I read your post too fast.
>>2452092 is the anon I meant to address, she's the one who keeps posting about the Tarzan drama in different threads.
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>>2454448I never got into Arcane because I think the art style is ugly.
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No. 2454478
>>2454458Imagination. Anything is possible.
Grounding shit to reality is why movies look terrible now.
No. 2454482
>>2454466I agree but Jayce should die. Viktor should die. Mel should die.
The lesbians haven't annoyed me so they can continue to be lesbians or whatever.
No. 2454500
>>2454474FotMfags have shit taste in media
and in men, it's not a surprise kek.
No. 2454531
>>2454521Calling something a completely canon relationship is different from shipping.
If its canon, then it's 100% in the show, straight up.
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I say unless the characters kiss (and enjoy it), literally call each other boyfriend/girlfriend, or are literally married, don't run around saying something is canon. I also wish shippers would stop placing so much value on whether something is "canon" or not– I think the obsession with that is what drives a lot of the ship-based harassment of showrunners. Just have fun with fanart and fanfic and don't worry too much about whether a ship is "canon."
No. 2454945
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>>2454847You have to go back further than that, 10 years ago people were still doing tumblr callouts and making troonified fanart. Rcdart's bimbo Captain America art is from 2016 for reference lol.
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What sort of weird stage are we at that a lot of people will consume a ton of content about a horror game and make fanart, but will be too scared to play it? If I was too scared I would just ignore the piece of media.
Do young zoomers think that watching horror movies isn't scary but actively playing something is too creepy?
No. 2455029
>>2455023I get liking a games story but not really playing it because you suck at vidya and it's too hard. It's kinda lame and I'll probably jokingly tell you to GIT GUD but I still understand. It's just a skill issue.
But how can you claim that you like the story and themes of this game if it's too scary for you and you refuse to engage with it. You don't fucking like it then asshole!
No. 2455036
>>2455023I will be hella generous and say I can understand being afraid to play something like SH or Fatal Frame, actual atmospheric immersive stuff and instead watch someone play so their presence could make it more laid back.
But funger is a pixel RPG with straightforward giant dicks,rape,gore and ass bleeding. Whoever plays gonna read all the same descriptions in-game. Like there is no way to make it more palatable if you can't handle this shit.
No. 2455039
>>2455031>Idk how to explain it besides autists having a weird parasocial relationship to a game, they refuse/cant to play it but still feel some insane attachment to it that makes no sense.They just want to fit in whenever something's trending online, it's fomo. It's like when kids and teenagers are begging their parents to get them the latest trending pair of shoes even if it's expensive and ugly as fuck just so they can look like theie classmates. The type of adults who look back on their photos as kids and teenagers with that pair of shoes and think "wtf was wrong with me back then, these shoes are ugly as fuck" and then move on. Or the same way everyone is talking about the same celebrities over and over again, not because they like or even know their movies or songs or books, but because they're trending topics these days. That's why everyone moved from Homestuck to Voltron and Steven Universe in particular on tumblr back then, they felt they had to because they were trendy shows but they wouldn't stop saying they were bad and
problematic or whatever a few seasons later.
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>>2455028This is what the game looks like, being a 2D RPG maker game makes it considerably less scary than cry of fear where you can't see around corners and which had jump scares. It's definitely 18+, it has very edgy elements but they are more in a funny teenage way edgy than serious. The horror comes from the bleakness and lack of resources, so the game is about survival and constantly dying and learning new things.
It got a big following on youtube among zoomers after supereyepatchwolf made a very popular video on it.
No. 2455107
>>2454438she doesn't actually exist in that scene, she's dead. Viktor feels guilty after her death and the Hexcore has an fake version of her. when he loses his humanity, the fake Sky disappears. she was never his girlfriend even if you ship Sky and Viktor. I'm not a jayvik shipper either both are ugly
>>2454482they are all dead and there will be no Arcane season 3, just more LoL
>>2455023fandom would have gatekept and actively made fun of these people 10 years ago kek
No. 2455501
>>2447255In my Current Day experience, no real "fandom mom" is someone who is self-appointed; it was often younger fans with no understanding adult figures in their offline lives inserting themselves into adult spaces and then trying to adopt older fans as their own guides/guardians. The backlash began when they started getting mad when that older adult sets boundaries or makes it very obvious what they're all about to filter people out.
The true, original self-described obnoxious fandom moms were usually those female fans who were extra weird during the early millennium, but never matured as a fan. As in, they were weird in already fringe spaces (think of a proto-TiM in a yaoi space).
As Tumblr came into being, they began sticking to younger, less threatening peers and established themselves as a wise guide while siccing their new friends on old fandom rivals. This is how we got early Tumblr where you had these "moms" writing about how
toxic a ship they still hate for over the past 20 years is a sign of criminal behavior.
I've met some before. They're constantly childish but are the first ones to call for "machoority" when something doesn't go their way. These days, they're often identifying older TiMs because they'll identify into anything that nets them the most protection. So it's why we don't actually see them. It was cool to be the fandom Mom, but now they're the Cool Older Trans Dad or something.
I think that's how the whole "fandom mom" thing developed. I think it's now expected that a woman over a certain age is expected to be a potentially policing "mom figure" who hangs in a mixed-aged space in fandoms, when, in reality, most older female fans either tend to soley keep to themselves, a small circle of likeminded people, or anonymous boards like these.
There ARE self-designated "fandom moms", but they're usually groomer TiMs. In fact, the majority of the behavior I see fandom moms being accused of is more common with older male fans who often have a predatory side.
No. 2455535
>>2455531As said
>unless they reach mainstream popularity where artists can advertise their workBlue archive is hentai doujin slop, same as Nikke.
No. 2455639
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>>2455617
>rainbowotome
Yet no rainbow galge and the like kek. Seriously, these types need to fuck off and do their own thing instead of shitting up otome with their wokeworms. Speaking of, saw someone post their game about a Tif protag in a sub where female protags are the norm. Can you be more tone deaf? See this all the time in general indie vn space and I wished it weren't the case. There's just some ideas otome can't deliver to me but it's also so pozzed I don't bother anymore.
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>>2455639This looks so bad kek. We need a non-pozzed OELVN otome renaissance asap.
No. 2455909
>>2455571Oh noo, sorry for using the westernized shortening of the word doujinshi.
It's school girl hentai doujinshi slop.
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I'm using 'played the game through tiktok edits' from now on
No. 2456992
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>>2446933> The people you praise for making indie work of love are usually just left standingNot true. You're looking at Comiket, an event full of moids. Check out Comic City, a female-majority event, and you'll see all sorts of listings for artists making stuff for less FOTM-y fandoms. They've got literally thousands of women making Slam Dunk doujins as you can see in picrel, as well as tons of fanworks for other BL-centric series. If you look at Comic City's website, you can see tons of older less trendy stuff like Toriko, Magi, and Ace Attourney as well.
No. 2457138
>>2456992>slam dunkUnique case of big doujinshi scene and a popular IP. Similar to Tiger and Bunny, Kurobas, Ace of Diamond
>EnstarsMost popular japanese female oriented gacha
>Genshin ImpactGacha game
>Touken RanbuStill alive gacha game
>Tokyo RevengersWas flavour of the month that year
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>>2457138Touken Ranbu mention but at what cost
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>>2457162Even gacha retards call it one of the most simple games + it's coomer slop
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>>2457138Obviously popular series are going to get the most attention, but as I said, there's tons of smaller/female-autism friendly fandoms active as well. Transformers, Kinnikuman, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Yona of the Dawn etc. Browse the website yourself if you'd like to take a look at the variety:
https://akaboo.jp/event/item/ca202.html No. 2457238
>>2457217Sorry i didnt know all women had to only like feminist approved games, which according to lolcow dont even exist because everything is
problematic. Its funny you are saying this in the fandom thread out of all threads, since people here defend their moidslop too when its convenient.
No. 2457244
>>2457224I think we must have misunderstood each other at some point because what I was trying to convey with my original post here
>>2456992 was that there are tons of works sold at doujin events that aren't just "scrotes making soulless porn at comiket to rake in sales," as said
>>2446933. None of the fandoms I listed are really trendy in Japan at the moment, Kinikkuman isn't a fotm series with moids flocking to it to sell porn of it lol.
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Severance twitter fandom has some interesting personalities
No. 2458085
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this is what I hate about fandoms that try to make their art deeper than it is, imagine applying a nuanced feminist statement to stra-wars crap.
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Damn, imagine wishing a random Spanish lady dies just because she draws adult moids getting raped. She had really good anatomy, but a stalker fan reported her everywhere.
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Does anyone remember when shit like Love Live was considered the peak of coom and nowadays we have shit like Nikke and Brown Dust?
No. 2458585
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>>2458573>Love Live was considered the peak of coomWhat about high school dxd?
No. 2458592
>>2458573>Love Live was considered the peak of coomWas it?? I remember the Tumblr fandom being mildly upset about SOME of the cards, but for the most part this is new to me. Afaik the quintessential coom show was Highschool DxD like
>>2458585 said.
No. 2458700
>>2458691"muh good old times were tamer"
Ero guro OVAs were being made since the 80s, that's worse than Brown Dust and Nikke lol
No. 2458785
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>>2458761I'm not an expert on eroguro OVAs so you're better off googling a list
Maybe I overdid it calling it "ero" but there was definitely naked tits all over the place in the 80s and 90s. In the early 2000s we had the shitty nukige boom like from studio black cyc and then Elfen Lied got mainstream, there were smaller OVAs like Daughters of Mnemosyne which was ecchi with torture…that's what I remember from personal experience.
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>>2458789Well, the weeby mobile games were restricted to jpgs so no jiggle physics. That being said, you'd be more likely to find them on DMM games were there's full blown hentai games.
Azur Lane, Destiny Child, Last Origin, Girls Frontline lolis in damaged outfits etc.
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>>2458809Also shimakaze being the meme girl in 2014
No. 2458911
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Apparently Araki listed Dio Brando as "androgyne" with the androgyne symbol in this character sheet and now everyone is calling him enby? Please God someone tell me Araki didn't fall for gendie shit
No. 2459005
>>2458861>cuz they knew that about half the fanbase was female.The fanbase is like 90% male in japan tho. I remember they said they were surprised to see that many women when they went overseas kek.
That said, I don't think LL was ever peak coom, just the gatcha with the nost insane male fans (to the point women had to put "No LL fans" in their dating app bio). The only time it was more coom was during the end days of Super Star where they made feet pic cards and such.