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>>2409906 No. 2425078
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I think the conversation about fake fans who do nothing but watch gameplays to "get" the source material just helped me realize something. Something in the back of my mind winces and feels a slither of irritation when YouTube puts those 40minutes-1 hour long video essays about the "hidden themes", the "underrated horror", the "missed media literacy", and blahblahblah about whatever game these faggy commentary channels are on about. I couldn't find the proper words to explain just why this genre of video annoys me, but now I did. These videos are basically the lore version of just watching a gameplay. Not inherently bad, but the perfect tool for lazy people who don't want to directly interact with the source material yet still want to weasel their way into a fandom. If a person is truly interested in a game, they may watch a trailer that showcase the mechanics, but ultimately they would play the game themselves. The exact same can be said for lore videos. If a game's story is so interesting and important, wouldn't the more enriched response be to play the game yourself so that your mind can formulate its own understanding of the game's impression? At least BEFORE seeking other people's perspective on lore, symbolism, subtext, and messaging? THIS is why I cannot stand "lore and message explained" videos by seemingly pompous faggots on YouTube. Why SHOULD anyone be watching these videos for their first impression, if they arguably should just play the game instead so that their minds can work for their own conclusions? I can say the same for fucking TV Tropes. Play the game yourself and figure out hidden details and aspects yourself first BEFORE checking that dumbass Fridge Brilliance tab to be hit with the most obvious observations and realizations in the history of mankind.
No. 2425128
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I dont know if anyone's heard about this, but a small artist from my country killed herself over a twitter callout. She was a cunt but its insane to me that someone killed themselves over a call out post and being disowned by her fandom.
>pickme artist, ''bachatota'' who simps for a small vtuber who covers hispanic lolcows
>her whole gallery is nothing but fanart of this scrote's vtuber avatar
>tries to make a video exposing another artist, ''loulou''
>the callout video is 8 hours long
>its mostly filler about random irrelevant stuff she's said/done in the past
>but also talks about the artist drawing loli/degen shit, being friends with pedos and harassing people
>video goes semi-viral, until its striked and deleted by the artist she was calling out
>people start digging out dirt on ''bachatota''
>they find out that she's done the same things she's criticizing ''loulou'' for
>they find her old commission sheet where she was open to drawing lolicon, scat and furries
>she used to harass and alog people online, and even made sockpuppets to harass a female artist into attempting suicide because she had beef with the vtuber scrote she simped for
>she was also in a group with nothing but pedo lolitards
>one of her lolicon pedo friends, ''Hogo Bonk''' raped and then drove his tranny ex to commiting suicide
>the friend she made the video with, an artist going by ''brany'', is a lolicon furfag who used to post on baraag and posted about ''rustle'', a japanese lolicon moid who made references to cp in his art, being one of her favourite artists
>the boyfriend of this artist is the lolifag nazi ''hellonearth'' yes, the one with the ugly british punk oc
>friendly reminder she harassed another artist, ''fantagoria'', over talking to a nazi
>when confronted about this she said she knows ''brany'' only sees lolicon as fiction and doesnt want to end a lifelong friendship over it, despite calling out ''loulou'' over drawing lolicon
>the vtuber she simps for defends her at first, but changed his stance once he was flamed over it
>this vtuber raised to fame for criticizing another youtuber for covering up for his lolifaggot pedo degen friends btw
>he decides to cut ties with her at the end
>a month later she kills herself
This case is just modern fandom in a nutshell for me. A bunch of hypocrites using a morally righteous shield to call people they dislike and generate drama over things they themselves do. Its never about ''protecting the kids'' or ''calling out people that deserve it'', its purely to fuel their dopamine and blood lust for drama. Everyone involved, except maybe fantasmagoria, is a nonce, dont get me wrong. But its so obvious no one cares about the victims and children when they make these callouts.
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>>2425078>>2425121It's not that deep, most people watch these longform videos to sleep or for work and I definitely fall into the latter category. I listen to videos on topics that don't even interest me, so work goes by faster
No. 2425630
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>>2425626i realized i misspelled her name, it's actually kooleen. anyways she's an art youtuber that mostly makes shorts and videos with clickbaity thumbnails about how to draw x or do x and as any other big socmed artist, has skinwalkers. tiktok cried over picrel.
No. 2425731
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>old woman: exists
>She’s the man in the relationship she gets him pregnant ecksdee
Hannibalfags (and fans of shows with old moid mcs in general) are annoying as fuck. Okay he’s your hideous geriatric babygirl uke bottom or whatever but leave real-life women alone.
No. 2425745
>>2425732>making jokes about some woman you don’t know impregnating a man just because she happens to be married to himShe’s not even trying to be in the public eye outside of coming with her husband to events like once a year, she stopped acting 20+ years ago, she’s barely on social media. Learn boundaries, stop treating human women like fictional characters.
>>2425742>wears the pants in the relationshipThat’s not the jokes being made, but clearly you know what’s wrong with the jokes since you reworded it to remove the retarded parts
No. 2425753
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>>2425751>tells me to go back to twitter>while getting offended over a literal who, probably underage or sped, making a stupid joke about an old man and his wife who have too much money to give a shit about themanon if you are this sensitive i dont know how you manage to surf the web without having a stroke. Do you also get offended at this?
No. 2425754
>>2425753I have to ask, what about this
>>2425731 woman, makes her the man in the relationship
No. 2425755
>>2425749>>2425753This anon spergs out about this stupid shit practically every week. Pregnancy is
her thing.
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Retarded, it's literally just the shit moids do with the dominant straight line/submissive diagonal line except without the lines.
It's bad when women joke about it though.
No. 2425776
>>2425770it's still retarded
>>2425774but they actually believe this
No. 2425787
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>>2425785we have a large group of fandom-rotten retards who genuinely believe that sexuality and sexual organs are just something you can swap or remove. This starts off with fictional characters but eventually leads to real life, usually their own. but again sexuality remains innate, so even in their bizarreo creations, they end up recreating some form of
toxic heterosexuality.
No. 2425819
>>2425792>>2425791>>2425787>>2425786>>2425785If you are unaware, there is a
Mads Mikkelsen contamination thread on /m/:
>>>/m/166390 No. 2425961
>>2425789People are saying it's "just a joke" but it never really is, it it? The one who gets pregnant is the weaker, submissive one, huh? That's what it means to be a woman?
I'm writing a dynamic where the older female badass mentor figure gets pregnant by the younger, gentler male without any of the "she's the man in the relationship lmao!!" Like no. Just treat them normally, Jesus Christ.
Real relationships don't fall neatly into your cartoon porn tags.
No. 2426246
>>2426180Nobody makes them or likes them, they just think your autistic pregnancy complex is more annoying.
If you just went "these are annoying" instead of trying to make some autistic husbandofags sperging online into "fujotifs
seriously believing men can get pregnant?!?!" then people would agree with you.
No. 2426380
>>2426367why do people jerk off astarion so much? he looks awful especially with the white hair
also
I don't get why they like the romance in bg3. What does it make for a good romance when the love interests are apparently attracted to everything you mash up in a character creator?
No. 2426398
>>2425078Lore videos and gameplays or let's plays or whatever aren't even remotely the same thing so this is a weird comparison to make
>>2425139Yeah even though they pretend like they're super chill and have no problems compared to the evil woke mob or whatever
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>>2426398No, they're basically the same concept but for different aspects of a game. Gameplays are essentially breakdowns of the mechanics and steps that it takes to progress and complete a game. Lore videos do the same thing, but with the game's plot: it breaks down the details of the characters, what is going on between them, the situation, and the ending. The point of my post is that lore videos get on my nerves because they're the perfect "junk food" content for people who want a half-assed excuse to themselves "fans". If a person truly cares about a game, they should just play it instead of relying on lore videos to get a clue of wtf is going on with a plot. Kind of like how people shouldn't really call themselves a fan of a game if they're too chickenshit to pick up a controller themselves. It's really that easy.
No. 2426448
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I don’t think people who husbandofag otome characters are real yumejos since romance is the point of the LI’s existence. Do not argue with me I simply wish to share my opinion.
No. 2426548
>>2426356>>2426426I think the major component missing is that these are all women yelling at each other because these are women spaces. Kooleen has a female audience, vivzie has a female audience. Most screenshots posted here are by women on twitter. We're all women talking about fandom discourse. I think this kind of fandom culture is geared more towards women which is why it seems like it's women who are more easily called out.
But in my opinion, I also don't understand why women have to call out both the bad women and men. We should we criticizing men for not policing and holding other men accountable too. Women just don't have the power to actually cancel men, and if those men aren't in those fandom spaces why would they care? I always see people say "why dont they do men the same" but its because those men do not have a female audience. I hope this makes sense but it feels like it's women calling out women because of a. Proximity. And b. Lack of actual power.
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>>2425961> The one who gets pregnant is the weaker, submissive one, huh? That's what it means to be a woman?Yes.
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a normal thing every woman and girls goes through? So gross!
She's such a pickme, holy shit
No. 2426572
>>2425961They hated
nonny because she told them the truth
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>>2426636Pregnancy is parasitic.
No. 2426759
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>>2425731>>2425789they have a pathological fear of being genuine, and they can't express their sexuality in a healthy way. Every 'I'll get him pregnant' comment is a self-admission of both their misogyny and just how terminally online they are. anyone who defends these as jokes is also admitting they hang out in gendie circles
No. 2426772
>>2426759But the butt of the joke is that rough heterosex makes the recipient pregnant and that's funny and degrading. All they've done is invert the genders. "Gendies" didn't invent "rough sex through domination makes the recipient pregnant" being the butt of the joke the humiliation it entails and submission of the recipient.
Straight people and moids joke about this submission, pregnancy, degrading women in this way and the humiliation it entails all the time. All they've done is invert the genders.
No. 2426775
>why can't people say they just don't like things or have NOTPs anymore?because the answer is: there is a guarantee that an autist will insist on morally analyzing you. Most likely because you don't like their mid yaoi faggots, cringe yuri middle schoolers, puddle deep het writing or whatever other trope they're self inserting on as gendies or otherwise. Autists only understand clearly spelled out dismissals, not arguments.
>>2426730This whole fucking discourse was so stupid. All discourses about angel's songs were. Fans and hatewatchers were tripping themselves over to find a moral reason to hate this song and the character(s) when it was literally just shit or not their taste and that's ok. This behavior appears the most in fandoms because one can always bet on retards not shutting the hell up
No. 2426786
>>2426775I'd take it a step deeper and say that people self-inserting into characters so hard nowadays means that you are not allowed to dislike the characters, because disliking the character means you dislike
them. Back then it was fine to say you just dislike some anime shit because it's not your cup of tea but now some fag will pop up and try to cancel you because they believe they really are Bakugo MHA so now you have to justify WHY you dislike it with a bunch of retarded bullshit. "Just let people enjoy things." How about retards just let people hate things and use the block button the way our social media overlords intended?
No. 2426788
>>2426786Agreed. People also seem to hunt for content they know they won't like or agree with. There'll be a clearly labeled fic about x pairing and fans of y pairing in the comments complaining about how the author is a bad person and how x pairing is the most
problematic thing since Judas betrayed the son of God.
No. 2426789
>>2426775My they/them mutual loves the Poison song because it reminds her of her
abusive(?) ex (for context this relationship ended in 2014)
No. 2426809
>>2426759This shit's so gross. These people need to touch grass, I swear.
I also hate how they associate rough sex with humiliating BDSM/daddydom bullshit, as if rough sex couldn't be pleasurable for both partners, NOT involve any dom/sub shit and also NOT lead to pregnancy at all. Their brains have been fried by misogynistic "dark romance" porn. Turns out my hatred for 50 Shits of Gray has always been justified.
>>2426770Just ignore it
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AO3 censorship discourse is back with even more zoomers shitting their pants over fanfic. Not the authors' fault they can't use the tags properly.
No. 2426847
>>2426824honestly it's a shit system, you have to exclude all the warnings/tags
every single time you search by tags and you still might see weird shit if you don't exclude "creator chose not to use warnings". not to mention you can't even filter the normal search function results this way. ao3 has always seemed disinterested in letting you improve your user experience, people can't even make browser extensions without it breaking some of the site's functions.
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Is everyone else seeing the word "puritan" thrown around in very strange ways lately? The sudden surge of people doing a 180° on dark romance booktok and supporting it happening at the same time as the AO3 censorship drama has been… interesting.
No. 2427019
>>2426448I don't understand your logic. What does the point of his existence being romance have to do with whether you're a "true yume" or not? Although rare, there are yume otome games, you know. LADS may be considered one of them because it encourages self-insertion.
Being a true yumejoshi ONLY means self-inserting, and it doesn't even have to be romantic (could be friendship, family relationship, etc.). Being a husbandofag is something else entirely that often, but not always, overlaps with being a yumejo.
But I don't get what's the problem with the romanceable characters being made for that purpose. If you're trying to claim that fictional characters must have a main purpose other than romance to be considered "legit" husbandos, or that falling in love with a character that was made for you to fall in love with them is "too easy", then you're just a dumbass. Plus, that's not what being a yumejoshi is about at all and this opinion of yours just reeks of wanting to turn husbandofagging into a competition to prove you're the only TRVE "yume" because your husbando canonically did not become attracted to you (how does this prove anything?). If you constantly imagine yourself interacting with fictional characters (especially if romantically) for fun, you are a yumejoshi.
Now, if you actually mean to say that most otome game players probably aren't "real" devoted husbandofags and just like the characters on a surface level, I might agree. Most of them are definitely not hardcore waifuists, that's for sure. But that still doesn't mean that otome characters cannot be ""true"" husbandos (kek) or that self-shipping with one doesn't count as being a """""true""""" yume (LMAO).
No. 2427060
>>2427004ao3 predates the whole proship discourse
shit, it was created in 2008. but yeah the logic was that it was an open repository and you curated your own browsing; back then there were other archives with stronger moderation if you wanted something more curated.
>>2426984except it isn't just about kink or whatever, people want to cancel the whole website.
it was created in reaction to other archives banning all nsfw content. there were several incidents where websites like fanfiction.net and livejournal changed their rules and ended up purging a shitload of existing content.
back in the day some fanfic sites wouldn't even allow anything with same-sex pairings. there are also authors who were trying to get fanfic of their works banned, so it's part of ao3's mission statement to defend the existence of fanworks.
people should be glad their precious fanfic is hosted by a nonprofit which holds up their right to free speech i steed of some algorithmic nightmare harvesting their data.
>>2426856most of the donations go to server costs because those are absolutely huge (ao3 is ine of the most visited websites on the internet) and they have no other source of funds since ao3 doesn't have ads or paid accounts or anything like that.
>>2427010>>2426847it has a mute feature where you can hide a specific author's works. otherwise the tag system requires a bit of wrangling because yeah, they trust users to curate their own browsing experience.
the whole point of ao3 os that it's one of the few websites left where YOU get choose what to see rather than them feeding you content.
99.9% of the content people complain about can be hidden simply by excluding the major warning categories. it takes one click to exclude all underage content, zoomers are just lazy and technologically illiterate.
No. 2427071
>>2426647>>2426682Where do you think our intelligence comes from? It's thanks to the mother
>>24266841. and? 2. what does this have to do with women being lesser
Damn there is so much behind what is purported as a mere joke
No. 2427078
>>2426907If i think people who sperg on about their
problematic faves all the time are damn weird and could benefit from surface level thinking into their preference then I'm a puritan
No. 2427095
>>2427078honestly i see your point but it's also damn annoying when peoole expect you to do soul searching or write a whole ass disclaimer before you're allowed to have preferences. fandom is just for fun, i don't wanna have to self-flagellate over liking something because im not catholic. imo the general trend i fandom tends toward more policing of what others are allowed to like, not less.
of course some people could benefit from critical thinking but others should also be reminded that there's a reason "don't like don't read" exists.
No. 2427123
>>2426827Kek yeah, that was what I thought they were complaining about before clicking on the image but then the very first phrase being "In the KNY tag-" was a whiplash back to reality.
It's a slippery trope so I'm agaisnt censoring/removing "
problematic" and questionable content (even if at times they make me want to kill the men who wrote/drew it and lose all hope in humanity) as long as everything, from the content itself to the characters, is obviously fictional. But the actual kid porn of actors and other real children must go, is it even legal to host it?
(Kind of related, but a few years back I went to the Ace Attorney AO3 tag and the very first fic I saw before filtering was tagged as "child porn", I kid you not. It still haunts me to this day)
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why is there always this weird cope around the lack of f/f instead of accepting that most people in fandoms are straight women
No. 2427332
>>2427309Being straight is socially unacceptable according to these people so if you refuse to make f/f content you’re a closet misogynist/homophobe/pickme or whatever.
>straight women want hot guys, female characters don’t interest themKekkkk yeah no fucking shit like what did you expect.
No. 2427416
>>2427309A lot of women in fandom are heavily invested in the idea that it's a queer space above all else (and thus something that's socially beneficial) because it makes them feel better about being involved in something so self-indulgent, I think. They've internalized the fujoshi=homophobic fetishizer thing and can't even admit to themselves that they have a specific interest in m/m fiction because they find it hot. They'll say they just like queer fiction and it just happens it's always m/m, which gives fuel to the yurifags who want to complain rather than make their own content.
But ultimately the fujos keep on focusing on m/m, nothing changes and the arguments continue on.
No. 2427441
>>2427309I think the elephant in the room is what
>>2427416 said. Fandom is overwhelmingly straight women, no matter how much the tumblr kweer types like to wave their fists in the air about it. There are less yuri fics because there are less same sex attracted women in fandom, along the other problems that exarcebate the issue and make those women not want to write or get into f/f fiction.
>can't even admit to themselves that they have a specific interest in m/m fiction because they find it hot. They'll say they just like queer fiction and it just happens it's always m/m, which gives fuel to the yurifagsI don't know, man. Seems like this muh queer space hettie betties get out reeeeeeeeeee mentality is not sustainable for anybody. No wonder self hating shippers try to find every loophole under the sun to not get scolded. Gonna have to give this shit up eventually.
No. 2427512
>>2426772exactly. the concept of hetero sex (being penetrated) and pregnancy being degrading to women is not some “fandom or gendie only thing”. it’s all around us. I don’t think it’s beneficial to support these concepts but these woman just don’t want to be degraded and don’t have the power to single-handedly change how society and their culture thinks of sex so they just make jokes online.
>>2427309the numbersfagging is dumb but I always appreciate a good autistic chart. a couple of these are true though it is mainly the straight women one and the text focused one.
No. 2427712
>>2427095>>2426960Ayrt what I've been seeing is a weird mish mash of opinions. A lot of the people who are currently very outspoken about how AO3 should have 0 censorship because it's puritanism to remove pedoshit from random spaces are the same people calling dark romance/booktok content disgusting media that shouldn't be allowed. I just think it has been very weird to observe the people who are in the trenches defending the underage tag are also giving sideye to mildly dark media for middle aged women to read with a glass of wine on a Friday.
>>2427085Same tbh I think women should be allowed go bananas with their media consumption. Dark romance seems to be a completely female media interest afaik (except for the occasional pickme moid cosplaying in Temu tactical gear) so if Joe Goldberg is the goal just let grandma go nuts
>>2427095>"don't like don't read" exists.I'm half and half on this. On the one hand morally grey media and dark romance are acceptable because at it's (usually) written as two consenting parties doing weird shit, but a lot of people saying "don't like don't read" are defending some real weird shit. Live and let live but I'm really side eyeing a lot of people in random spaces who are sperging tf out over how important it is for them to have access to full on ass rape of Harry Potter
No. 2427762
>>2409906>"eroge games"poser
>Dear god, the comments are more deranged than Indians seeing classical art and thinking it's a real personTypical male pathological liar behavior, what else is new?
>>2411664Yeah the real dumbass move is assuming that you need "extra help" because you're female and not that they're just making a game feature more convenient.
I feel like Infinity Nikki and LADS attracted a lot of normies who are unfamiliar with video games that are more complex than shit like Candy Crush. But what really makes me sad is that these normie women have this deeply ingrained idea that they're too stupid for such relatively complex games. Being unfamiliar with video games is not the same as not being smart. They're so afraid of their own assumed stupidity that they don't even try, but if they didn't have this fear that they're too dumb for video games, they'd be perfectly able to enjoy the game without putting themselves down and even figure out how everything works quicker, because they wouldn't be held back by their own self-loathing assumptions about themselves. It really proves that what many people have been saying about shitty sexist/misogynistic stereotypes significantly affecting women's interest in tech is true and not an exaggeration. A lot of normie women really do have this idea that they're too dumb to understand certain things and it's because they've been implicitly told their entire lives that being female makes them stupid. It's pure insecurity.
It's very very sad how when these seemingly normie women from TikTok (as described by this Reddit user) want to make inside jokes to share a laugh with their community, their first idea is to denigrate themselves for being female. It's one thing to poke fun at a mistake you made and say you had a dumb moment, it's another entirely to call yourself and your female peers "dumb girls" like you're infantilizing your entire sex.
>>2411681It's possible IMO. I have encountered tranny scrotes defending the babby difficulty in a game like Princess Peach Showtime because "it's a great introduction to video games for girls", implying that girls are all unfamiliar with videogames and/or stupid. (As if there weren't already thousands of girls that love stuff like Mario and Kirby) The username and tiny profile pic thumbnail were extremely clockable but this is not always the case, especially for someone who doesn't want to be mean to troons.
But like anon said, this happens in the LADS community too (absolutely no male troon is playing LADS), so there's definitely actual women who think like this in the IN community as well.
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>>2427712Ithe whole point is that if you don't like "weird shit" ao3 gives you the option not to see it. or you can go to the sites with tighter moderation. either way no one makes you look at it and it's very telling that vocal moralfags can't leave well enough alone and try to ban shit for everyone instead of curating their own browsing experience.
idc what women write. i've written female-on-moid torture fic so im not in a position to judge what harry potter ass fuckers do. men shouldn't be allowed near a word processor tho.
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>>2427815a whole lotta people, it looks like
No. 2427835
>>2424184NTAYRT. Short answer: VNs can hardly be considered games, but that doesn't mean it's not a good storytelling medium; pure VNs are for people who just want to read a story, and if you don't like that, you can play "actual" games. It doesn't mean VNs are bad or an inferior form of entertainment, it just means they aren't so much games as they are digital books with visuals. It's obviously not for everyone. And yes, the point of the VN format is to be story-focused.
Long answer: I'll give you a brief history of VNs.
VNs came both from computer porn games and console "sound novels" which weren't for otaku coomers. Sound novels had no character sprites and were heavily story-focused. They were basically just horror novels with some background graphics and sounds to set the mood.
Before sound novels, there were plenty of indie eroge on personal computers like the PC-98. These games were rarely story-focused, and their gameplay was varied (puzzle games, RPGs, you name it). But of course, the main point was to see a naked bishoujo, or have sex with her, or rape her. The gameplay was just an excuse or a means to an end, and the porn was the reward. Eroge are games with explicit erotic/pornographic elements, it doesn't matter which format it comes in.
Then, the doujin circle Leaf had the idea of mixing aspects of eroge with the "sound novel" format. They added manga-style character sprites and CGs, as well as pornographic scenes, mixing them with a horror story. This new format, the "visual novel", proved to be popular, as was the edgelord plot of the first VN, Shizuku. Otaku in the eroge scene realized that it was pretty easy to tell a story in a game with this format, so the VN genre took off.
Dating sims (ren'ai simulation in Japanese) also became popular around this time (IIRC), thanks to games like Doukyuusei (an eroge) and Tokimeki Memorial (a galge, AKA a "non-pornographic bishoujo game"). Please keep in mind that dating sims are not VNs and vice-versa, although hybrids are possible and do exist. As I understand it, dating sims started to influence the VN scene, and some doujin circles, like Key, began creating visual novels that were more romance-oriented, with the plot being divided into "heroine routes". Eventually, they would start creating romance/bishoujo VNs but without the porn, as they were entirely romance and plot-focused.
But there started to be a divide between VN fans and classic eroge fans. The males who favoured classic eroge didn't like that you had to read so much to have sex with the female characters, for example. Some of them even complained about dating sims requiring so many "extra steps" (building a relationship with the love interests) to get to the sex or to achieve a romantic ending without explicit sex. And visual novel fans were often plotfags who didn't care about anything but the story (not the sex or the gameplay).
So, depending on what the appeal of a game is and what your target audience wants, you'll have to decide what genre your game will belong to (visual novel or something else like simulation, RPG, etc.), and, if you choose to make a VN, what amount of gameplay to put in it and how to implement it. If you want a purely plot-centric game, you probably won't need any gameplay, unless it's something like quick and easy puzzles. But, for example, if you wanted a VN with a war-centric plot, you could maybe add some TRPG sections if that's what you and your target audience like. Or be like BlazBlue and do the inverse: add VN sections to a game that is primarily a fighting game. There's plenty of "actual" games that are also considered VNs and vice-versa, and there have been for a really long time in Japan. But there's nothing wrong with a pure VN sticking to its original format.
>>2424042>the only western VN i can think of that isnt trying to mock the medium and ''deconstruct it'' is Katawa Shoujo''.Fake and gay, there's a lot of western VNs that aren't "le ironic VNs" or "dating sim" (wrong use of the term) parodies. You don't really know what you're talking about. There's Beskonechnoe Leto which is considered "the Russian Katawa Shoujo", Juniper's Knot, VA-11 HALL-A, Misericorde, Siren's Call, Heart of the Woods, Red Embrace: Hollywood, etc.
On the otome front, there's Cinderella Phenomenon, Our Life: Beginnings & Always, Backstage Pass, Cinders, Date Warp, Royal Alchemist, the whole Magical Otoge/Moon Observatory series, Locked Heart, Tailor Tales, and so many more unironic ones that you wouldn't believe.
They might not be as hugely well-known as Katawa Shoujo or DDLC, but if you actually try to find more sincere western VNs you'll find them quite easily. That, plus VNs aren't as big outside of Japan, so of course there'll be less people making them and less well-known hits like the two aforementioned VNs.
>>2424095There's nothing wrong with horror VNs, that's literally how the genre started. You're saying that as if a lot of popular and trashy eroge VNs (euphoria comes to mind) weren't horror too. But I do hate how many retards in the West see VNs as crappy """dating sims""" that are nothing but a meme. They looked at some self-parodying or quirky Japanese VNs like Hatoful Boyfriend (which is genuinely good), assumed the worst, and proceeded to ruin the way the VNs are seen in the west with their shitty "ironic" "dating sim" parodies for years to come.
No. 2427842
>>2425078When I was younger I used to obsessively watch let's plays of games I wanted to play because I come from an extremely poor family and I could only really get, like, one mainline Pokemon game a year if I was lucky. Nowadays I'm always busy drawing so I do the same because I would prefer to be on the grind than play a video game. It's also a little silly to brush off people who consume media through let's plays when one of the hugest fandoms was actually originally formed BASED on a let's play. This is something that's become a bit of a forgotten history, but dangan ronpa's fandom initially comes from a something awful let's play, as it was the very first way to access DR in english, even before the anime aired.
>Something in the back of my mind winces and feels a slither of irritation when YouTube puts those 40minutes-1 hour long video essays about the "hidden themes", the "underrated horror", the "missed media literacy"I do somewhat agree with you here actually, I think people's media literacy dropping is a severe problem due to the fact that we are no longer reading and just have everyone explaining things to us on tiktok instead, but the way to fix this is not through insulting people, as people generally do not respond well to insults unless they have a severe history of abuse that's caused them to have stockholm syndrome or something. I think we need to become a bit kinder to one another overall and make efforts to understand fandom takes we don't agree with, like, where they're coming from and stuff.
No. 2428024
>>2427949Them being "too" tropey or not being fleshed out "enough" doesn't make you not a TROO husbandofag if you pick one of them as a husbando, though.
Yes, there are trend hoppers, they might be in it for the steady stream of content of cute boys that they find attractive but without actually loving them, although they're not harming anyone so they should be allowed to have fun however they want. I simply separate serious husbandofags from these people because they're clearly into different lifestyles, it's pretty easy to tell them apart, it's easy to tell when someone enjoys a character in a husbando way or not.
Also, some otome characters can be well-written and fleshed out, even with the obvious base tropes. But regardless of how well they're written, it's ridiculous to claim that actual otome husbandofags don't really exist (what the other anon originally claimed) just because you think they're all the fandom trend-hopper kind and not the serious devoted kind, or because you don't like otome heroes because you can't stop thinking about how they're made cute so you'll like them. What kind of logic is that? I think her opinion literally just comes from seeing too many LADS fans online who are not really devoted to husbandos, which, I mean… I haven't seen many of them claiming to be. It's like enjoying 2D boys is wrong and fake unless they do it in this very specific way that you approve of, which feels like you wanna turn it into a competition.
I also hate how husbandofags who husbando random side characters are always automatically assumed to be faking it for attention. Even the ones that do enjoy a specific kind of attention, can you really tell what's going on in her mind and whether she doesn't actually feel the way she claims to feel for the character? Some of them might be faking it but you can usually tell easily, and seeing them all being conflated because lol who would have a husbando like that, right? is annoying. What if the character is actually her type? How is liking someting niche and obscure "hopping on a trend" anyway?
And again, being a yume is not about having a single established husbando of over 20 years. It's just about self-inserting, and you can absolutely be a "trend-hopper" yume. You keep misunderstanding the meaning of that term. It was originally used for internet novels where you could input your name in all sorts of fictional stories (basically self-inserting into a bunch of different scenarios), which you would definitely classify as "fake yume" kek.
>depending on trendsYes, anyone can tell that someone who changes husbandos constantly depending on what's currently popular, and forgets about the others as soon as a new character is trending, is trend-hopping.
>depending on tropes rather than what they truly personally like.Character tropes are part of what one personally likes. That's why some people actually fall in love with otome characters, because they are attracted to characters that fit those tropes that they like, that's the basic component of the attraction to fictional characters in the first place (the rest depends on the execution). Because characters are made of tropes. What's the problem with this that makes it "not true" husbandofagging other than "they were intentionally designed to make you fall for them!" No shit, and there's people with OC husbandos as well so I guess they're the fakest of them all. It's so fucking weird to claim that just because something was made to appeal to you, it doesn't count. What is this bizarre gatekeeping? As long as you feel real love for the character it's a real husbando, period. Everything else is irrelevant.
I just don't like it when people judge how "real" a husbandofag is based on her choice of husbando instead of something more obvious, like the way she acts about it. Thanks for reading my manifesto.
No. 2428042
>>2428029Sounds like you're salty that there are canon lesbian couples kek.
You(?) used a blatantly disingenuous example, laiming lolibait/yuribait for moids in anime shit is for lesbians somehow. So I replied to that example.
>Lesbians still have a shit ton of content.A few characters being lesbians is not "a shit ton of content". And especially in western media, the reason there are lesbian characters might not always be that they want to give something to lesbian fans, but it can also be to seem progressive (and lesbian couples are more "acceptable" than gay male ones in media), and/or because the moids in charge get off to it.
The yuri thread on /m/ is pretty normal, they aren't doing anything wrong by wanting more content. Maybe don't get mad at female yurifags in general and instead make fun of retards on social media? It's not like we can argue with them over here anyway. And Xitter tards can be yurifags, fujos, yumes, scrotes, etc. so it's not like there's a reason to specifically target lesbians specifically unless you're personally invested in some Xitter "discourse" (internet retard fight).
No. 2428054
>>2428042>Sounds like you're salty that there are canon lesbian couples kek.huh? i am not the one complaining that straight women arent making self indulgent fanfiction for free for me.
> laiming lolibait/yuribait for moids in anime shit is for lesbians somehow.there are tons of lesbians making/enjoying scrote tier shit, yuripedo is an example
>A few characters being lesbians is not "a shit ton of content". And especially in western media, the reason there are lesbian characters might not always be that they want to give something to lesbian fans, but it can also be to seem progressive (and lesbian couples are more "acceptable" than gay male ones in media), and/or because the moids in charge get off to it.'' a few characters'' and its literally every single main pairing in western shows from the last decade(SU, Korra, She-ra, the owl house, adventure time, the loud house, hazbin hotel etc) meanwhile fujos only have ugly walled 3DPDs, the hazbin/hb faggots and background characters with 2 voicelines like the hideous faggot dads from TLH.
>The yuri thread on /m/ is pretty normal, they aren't doing anything wrong by wanting more content.the problem is that yuritards are always complaining that there isnt enough yuri content and constantly pick up fight with straight women who make their own f/m m/m content when literally all mediums pander to them. If you have hyper specific fetishes where neither moe anime girls or normal cartoon women like korra/shera/adventure time are up to your taste then just make your own content, but stop playing the
victim and pretending you are so oppressed because there isnt enough yuri when thats simply not true. Fujofags have to waddle through shonenshit and spokon crap for moids to find a midly decent non canon ship and f/m shippers who arent into non ddlg/daddydom are the most opressed class of female shippers. You dont get to complain and constantly shit on other women when you are the only ones that are at the top of the shipping food chain.
No. 2428065
>>2428054I actually agree with you that the people who demand more f/f fic are wrong, because I think the only good f/f is going to come from people who care about it enough to do it well, not straight women who are guilt tripped into pandering to other people's interests and not their own.
however, I do want to point out that western f/f is overwhelmingly trash. this is a total digression, not me arguing with you or anything, but I'm always thinking about this. I'll concede that SU she-ra and owl house were probably written by women for a female audience, but they're unwatchable tv shows for babies. the hazbin hotel lesbians are obviously just virtue signaling when vivzie would rather be writing yaoi kek because her heart isn't in that shit at all. then aside from those, I think that the prominence of f/f in comics, video games, and other nerd media is for men who want romance and sex in their fiction but don't want to see women lusting after or falling in love with handsome men who make them feel inferior. it actually embarrasses me to see suckers wax poetic about how revolutionary the queer representation is in some show when it's clear as day to me that it's about pandering to insecure male nerds.
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>>2427309Bro should just watch anime
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>>2428535new higurashi artstyle is so ugly eyestrain, everyone looks terrible, especially Ooishi, that's the face of a fucking turtle, not human
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>>2428560Him checking out Keiichi’s ass was pretty funny though
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>>2428578Higurashi has had a lot of very retarded fanservice over the years but at least the OVA that was otherwise garbage gave us this
No. 2428687
>>2427814Ayrt I'm not against weird shit I just think it's been weird to watch both sides of the debate without actively participating in it. Personally I do like
some weird shit (moid torture included tbh nonna you're based for that, I wonder if I ever accidentally crossed your content kek)
No. 2428695
>>2428070>>2428076NTA and I agree in the sense that gay people shouldn't concern themselves with the relative number of yaoi or yuri couples in mainstream anime,, given that we're only like 3% of the population.
But saying "people who like yuri should be happy with the slop they're given, even if it sucks" is hard to defend. You can only argue that if you're willing to apply it to your favorite genres too.
If you're really fine with co-opting subpar characters and relationships from Free and Boku no Pico, and you are NEVER going to complain about the lack of good M/M ships or hot male characters, that's consistent.
But literally within both your posts, you complained that fujos are dealing with a lack of
good M/M material? So why is it a problem when yurifags say the same thing?
No. 2428962
>>2428411No wonder being a pansexual demigirl is such an epidemic in fandom spaces. I unironically think we need to start making burner twitters and shit that tell women it's okay to stand up for themselves in fandom because so many people will just lay there and take it when they feel uncomfortable and bullied. Sure, if you want to make change happen, then slithering a bit of into casual spaces is the key, but making EVERYTHING about activism will just lead to stress and unhappiness.
>>2428697Nonnas will call any depiction of a woman in anime pedophilic but will allow teenage boys who clearly act their age and have teenage boy problems to be sexualized and not bat an eye kek
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>>2428970or identifying as therian or non-human that isn’t RP
No. 2428998
>>2428996Same thing but they change the name up a lot
For a while kinnie was therian but now kinnie is just relating to a fictional character so they're back to using therian.
No. 2429151
>>2429120This kind of thing has actually been around as long as the internet. There's basically always been online communities of people doing DID/otherkin/soulbond stuff.
The version where 'kinnies' didn't take it seriously and were just relating to the character was a later development, I think after it took off with zoomers in the late 10s. It's always been fundamentally a spiritual woo and/or munchie thing and it's just reverting to that if it looks like it's gotten more extreme.
No. 2429166
>>2428054>yuripedo is an exampleAnd she's the minority here on lolcow if you'd look at the yuri thread. Hell, even the yuri crazies thread proves that most yurifags here find that sort of content repulsive and actively make fun of yuripedo. Just because there are some actual lesbians out there who enjoy scroteshit doesn't mean that's what all lesbians want. Be fair. Lesbian pickmes are a thing as much as straight pickmes too, so it's not like this is unique to yurifags. Another thing is that many women feel like they have to consume any kind of media they can find that has a crumb of what they actually like. This happens with many who aren't fujos so they start reading hentai instead. Or with women into femdom who consume scrote media at first because they don't know where to find something better, or because female-oriented media with those themes/fetishes is extremely rare. Many of them end up going down the pickme pipeline and eventually start developing more scrotey tastes. Some of them can recover from that and become based though, but a lack of media that actually caters to them
as women makes this more difficult.
>mentions Hazbin as one of the cartoons with a lesbian couple to prove her point>mentions Hazbin again to prove that fujos get nothingYou do know that one of the common complaints about Hazbin is that it focuses too much on the male gay characters and fujo ships to the detriment of the plot, right?
>he problem is that yuritards are always complaining that there isnt enough yuri content and constantly pick up fight with straight women who make their own f/m m/m contentI haven't seen them much lately, maybe because I don't go into most shit threads and I usually ignore obvious infight bait like that. And it seems pretty obvious that the people who are constantly fighting over such dumb shit (from any side) are just a handful of obsessed autists who frequent the same threads and always participate in their own infights because they are addicted to the adrenaline they get from getting mad. Just because some yurifags shit on non-yurifags or accuse them of misogyny for not liking yuri, doesn't mean all the yuri fans on the site are them. The normal lesbians on this site that like yuri/GL/femslash mostly keep to themselves and pop up at random times talking about their favorite ships/waifus which is normal imageboard user behavior. I hate the annoying fujos who shit on or resent other women for the dumbest reasons, but I don't hate all fujos for it because I know they're not all the same people and there's fujos who are ashamed of being in the same group with underage retards. Use your head a little.
>You dont get to complain and constantly shit on other women when you are the only ones that are at the top of the shipping food chain.I said at the beginning that I'm not a yurifag.
Yurifags are a minority in female fandom. Fujos are by far the majority, and gay ships are almost always the most popular, so they're actually the ones at the top of the "shipping food chain". You're only focusing on the canon part of it. (No, I'm not saying fujos/yumes/hetshippers should create content they have no interest in, before you put words in my mouth. None of what I've said implies that.)
No. 2429247
>>2429091>have suspiciously the exact same political beliefs as the person?KEKKKKK this shit really is the biggest giveaway. I don't believe systems who don't have at least one
TERF alter.
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The outfits can be reworked I think. But I do not understand this fandom's obsession with hitting as far off the mark with the skincolor as possible.
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>>2429274That's just tumblr in general.
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>>2429289>I was there was BL like the new yuri gundamI mean. There's Promare kek
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>>2429314It's pretty much framed like a kiss instead of CPR (in the same way stuff like Snow White is), down to Lio having sleeping beauty eyes when he wakes up.
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>>2429319Compare this to a CPR scene where it's not meant to be romantic in tone, it's all in the framing.
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>>2429324Yeaaah I like Lio's design but Galo ugly as hell, was pretty meh on the ship because of that but I can't deny the kiss is kinda pretty looking.
Sometimes the uke just has a really ugly seme and vice versa.
>>2429326Nagito Komaeda No. 2429335
>>2429319>>2429323I'll be honest, it just really didn't feel that way to me.
Galo tried everything possible before resorting to CPR and framed in a "I have no other choice" type of way. There's the "for the first time in my life… bleh… I lit a fire!!!" bait, but it's extremely unromantic. Lio's eyes don't even look sleeping beauty esque, he's just tired after going through something so horrible. I typically eat up both yuribait and fujobait as a local bishitter, but my gaydar was not set off here at all. Lio is a twink who takes it up the ass for sure, but Galo just feels way too retarded for romance.
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>>2429335I don't really ship them so I get it, I also just think the scene itself was pretty clearly framed in a romantic sense over 'it was just CPR'
A lot of the official merch+art also has a romantic vibe to it.
No. 2429342
>>2429313Nanoha and Madoka are for scrotes (regardless of how many women found Madoka watchable enough to love it). The anime industry is almost completely controlled by moids. The anime industry has also been infested with misogynistic pedophiles (lolicons) since ancient times. The scrotes that approved, funded and made Nanoha and Madoka were not pandering to lesbian women. Women liking Madoka is just a side effect, or an successful deliberate attempt at capturing a periphery demographic at best.When will you finally get it?
And perhaps fujos are too comfortable with their original manga/games and fan fiction/fan art of non-fujo franchises to see the need to start their own anime studio. Besides, anime is considerably harder to make than manga, fanfic, fanart and even simple games like VNs or RPGs. You won't achieve anything by yelling at women who like yuri on some obscure western forum. This is a problem that affects us all.
No. 2429344
>>2429342>Nanoha and Madoka were not pandering to lesbian womenYet lesbians absolutely adore Madoka
I think you can make a yuri show that appeals to both men and lesbians but they're pretty uncommon.
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>>2429342>The scrotes that approved, funded and made Nanoha and Madoka were not pandering to lesbian womencan yuritards then please give examples of what they want, because you fuckers seem to complain about every medium that panders to you. Even 3DPD shows pander to you with stuff like orange is the new black(which is something you will probably have a problem with too). Meanwhile all fujos get is shows with unsexy walled men.
>>2429349and what does that mean? can you give examples. Because its insane to me that yuritards have a problem with literally EVERY SINGLE depiction of lesbians in media. Its just never good enough for them.
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>>2429352I don't care for Hannibal or any of the Superwholock trash, but as someone who enjoys Black Sails and AMC IWTV, I admit to enabling the problem of "m/m shows with unsexy walled men." I'm NGMI, I'm too easily memed by characters' personalities and forget that they look like shit.
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>>2429366Still can't get over the fact that South Park went as far as it did with this kek
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>>2429366That's what I'm saying, yuri fans usually go for canon or heavily implied to be canon ships while it's kinda up in the air with fujos.
Don't really care about 3DPD shows though (I mostly watch reality TV for live action) so I can't say much there.
No. 2429380
>>2429302There's also
Bravern though most here really hate it.
No. 2429385
>>2429379Yuritards just want to complain and play the
victims.
No. 2429408
>>2429379>>2429385I also tried to find bl anime announced
>Other World's Books depend on the Bean Counter>Gambatte Nakamura-kun>Unexpectedly Naughty FukamiAnd basically counted fujobait
>Captivated by You>Summer Hikaru Died>Let's Go Karoke>Gentle Noble's Vacation Suggestion No. 2429412
>>2429411That's why I said "basically counted fujobait"
nonnie. Whether she likes it or not, that's what it's known as.
No. 2429414
Yurifags here should just get into baihe, it'll probably be up most people's alleys
>majority female-authored works>adult women>non-moe art styles >>2429411She traded in fujos for aroaces kek
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No. 2429427
>>2429414The power of 7 million Chinese lesbians
Also isn't Thai GL supposed to be pretty good?
No. 2429431
>>2429421????
Dick Grayson is a man. And just because he's of gypsy descent doesn't mean he's brown
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>>2429345Can't wait to see this scene animated.
>>2428623>>2428605Loving this.
>>2428560We need to sperg in the
>>>/m/462640 thread.
>>2429380I haven't noticed any Bravern hate on LC? I still love it, even got used to the loli's screeches.
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>>2429457The tags are pretty funny too
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>>2429461>Loving this.Weirdly it's one of the only times a Ryukishi work actually had fujo stuff, usually he has to add in some gendie element for some reason?
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>>2429276Is that a custom nendoroid faceplate draft? it's so fucking asymmetrical the ear is sliding off, how do you draw a line down the center and still fuck that up.
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Took long enough, but I think tumblr fandom rules are finally getting pushed out of fandom for real. Everybody's sick of their shit kek
No. 2429765
>>2429292Kekkk.
>>2429274It always looks bad too. I dont care what anyone says. It looks like shit. I hate this kind of fanart
No. 2429982
>>2429770>>2429962I like watching the arcane fandom implode on the clock every 2 weeks so I'll cut you the retarded details: VAs and writers did an interview a few days back and confirmed/reaffirmed/denied some things. So the straight women with he/him pronouns got really mad that the straight women with she/her and she/they pronouns started laughing at them for being autistic 30 year old fandom elders (there's that retard signifier again), with an extra racial aspect too because a lot of Mel fans are also black women.
>I haven't seen any kind of concerted effort to reduce slash shipping.It really doesn't matter. It's the classic word of god manufactured shipping war because they're desperate for something that will allow them to finally harass the tumblr spicy straights back and vice versa. Every single one of these retards is head over heels for trans Viktor anyway, because they want to self insert onto a small woman with a pussy despite wanting to brag about how much "they just don't enjoy het ships"
Every time you read something about muh kweer fandom space the answer is always straight woman on straight woman violence kek
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I kinda like some coomer games/anime with women with big boobs. To be clear: nothing fully R18, more stuff you'll see in the mainstream (think how Zenless Zone Zero gets called a "gooner game", gross).
Then I see the subreddits for that stuff and I want to jump out of my skin from the absolutely rancid discussions those gooners have. They hate real women and any content targeted at us, if a game has male and female playable characters and fans, they will treat the female fans like shit and hate on the male characters. They want lolicon and screech when an official discord bans it. If a game isn't 100% coomer targeted, the asian incels call them "mixed toilet" and they actively want to chase women out.
They scream and cry over Love and Deepspace having some shirtless men while games like Destiny Child, Horizon Walker, Nikke, Brown Dust 2 etc. exist and have ridiculous women in the skimpiest outfits possible with subservient poses.
That makes me snap back to reality and avoid all that shit.
No. 2430172
>>2427309Fujo tardlets have understood how to make interesting dynamics based on friendship, comradery, competition, etc. but every yuri story is about some random petite girl who finds another random petite girl and they fall in love with zero conflict because the primary consumers of yuri are moids
And every time they try to branch out from this they make some shit that sucks, so nobody cares and then they complain on twitter about it. I wish they would just accept it will never have mass appeal.
No. 2430337
>>2429982You're the anon described in
>>2428807 aren't you kek
No. 2430353
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>>2430347Nonnie, were you just in the joseimuke thread on 4chan? Kek, a pick-me there just acted the same way defending this.
No. 2430422
>>2430353I like how the closest equivalent to this on male fanservice would be the whb secret club scenes down to the
feet shots
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>>2429361Black Sails had it all man… Because of all the rape in season 1 I can never talk to people about it in good faith. Curse HBO and GOT.
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>>2430406The game is called Brown Dust 2 and is rated teen on the playstore. I feel like I have to apologize for posting extreme cringe like this, but the game has worse content.
No. 2430782
>>2430509I agree yurifags moralfag about anything that isn't wholesome fluff 100x more than fujos but I don't really see what that has to do with my reply. I'm just talking about the existence of darker works to begin with, anons on here act like GL is perpetually stuck in Class S era which isn't true. If it was about being dissuaded from yuri spaces because of these retards then sure (I don't bother with them either) but that doesn't preclude you from scrolling to at least page 2 on yuri sites to see that there's more to offer than high school shit.
Imo anons here are too copey about it I think most are just uninterested in yuri altogether which is fine, but they make out their disinterest to be an inherent problem with the entire genre instead of just going "it's not my thing". This isn't a non-himejo thing either even yurifag anons upthread were acting like this.
No. 2430946
>>2429340>I doubt yuri fans actually want to see a couple of uguu moeblobs rubbing their tits together or patting each other's headsthat’s just what yuri is though
>>2430248yellowjackets has cannibal lesbians
>>2430782>they make out their disinterest to be an inherent problem with the entire genreit’s kinda funny how many people do this without realizing
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>>2430517>>2430546The moids are also having a meltdown on reddit because the official discord banned lolicon. It has some really degen loli characters.
At launch this game had male characters too and was less coomerish, but then they gave up and fully tried to capture the gooner audience with fetish art.
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>>2430248>HachiNana is an example of a good yuri shipI am not even the biggest yurifag, but this is like saying Nardo is the greatest anime ever made. I seriously doubt that anyone outside of "comphet" lesbians on tikTok and shitter sees them as a yuri ship.
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>>2430248speaking of yuri. Asagao to Kase-san was so fucking boring that i didn't even finished the movie. It's just uguuu so kawaii mentally challenged girls who are pure and can do no wrong!
No. 2431672
>>2431616Ahaha it was very much the opposite in my friend circle. Hachi is certainly one of the best-written shojosei FLs, and we all adored her complex relationship with Nana, but as a romantic partner, she seems like the kind of person who would always prioritize trash men over women.
>Is that not why zoomers like this pairing?Pretty much. Younger women who have been taken advantage of by scummy men and are now convinced that they must be repressed lesbians tend to project a lot onto Hachi. They believe that Hachi only dates men because of societal norms and not out of genuine affection. They see two women who share a strong emotional bond while having physical relationships with men and men alone as comphet lesbians. To me, this line of thinking is just very iffy.
No. 2431756
>>2431609You’re jumping to conclusions. It’s a boring ass show that gets overly hyped by the fandom, let her complain.
>>2431506There are zero lesbians in Ai Yazawa manga, these people are just incapable of enjoying the well written romance in her manga. It makes way more sense to lament that there’s no yuri equivalent of Nana than to project yuri that’s not there…
No. 2431789
>>2431672>They see two women who share a strong emotional bond while having physical relationships with men and men alone as comphet lesbians. To me, this line of thinking is just very iffy.It's weird because the conclusion is the same but not the reasoning behind it. Back when Nana wasn't on hiatus yet
my god I feel like a dinosaur typing this girls who shipped nana/hachi thought "their lives would have been better if they were lesbians and dating each other", which implies we acknowledged they were straight women. But the comp het excuse is the opposite of that.
>Hachi is certainly one of the best-written shojosei FLs, and we all adored her complex relationship with Nana, but as a romantic partner, she seems like the kind of person who would always prioritize trash men over women.I started reading Nana again because of nostalgia and because the publishing company in my country finally reprinted all the volumes again and now that I'm a grown woman and not a teenager anymore Hachi reminds me way too much of some male centered straight girls I've met as soon as I turned into an adult. I'm straight and didn't know what I wanted in life but I was never like that, and seeing that Hachi's behavior is not even explained by some tragic backstory like Nana's and is actually something a lot of equally normal women are like irl made her a lot less endearing to me. She's still a fashion icon though, I can't totally hate her just for that.
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It pisses me off how the ''Western animation'' fandom revolves purely around coom and shit made for toddlers. They always complain about animation being seen as a medium for children and not being taken seriously as an art form but they refuse to watch anything not made by cartoon network or disney. So many cool shows meant for adults(actual adults, not man/womanchildren) get overlooked because these faggots are more concerned about hyping the latest 3D disney slop with its 24th background lesbian they can easily cut out of international releases. Most of these manchildren dont even know who Ralph Bakshi is and refuse to get out of their comfort zone and watch ''ugly'' stuff like 'Memoirs of a Snail'. No wonder every modern indie pilot looks like every modern calarts-approved blobby safe style put in a blender with a bit of mainstream anime added to the mix.
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>>2431312This feels very inorganic to me. Maybe she asked her family to post these to dodge some sort of heat? Hide her identity from the internet? I just don’t believe that if she took her own life it was solely due to what happened with her twitter account.
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>>2432060I agree with you but heavy metal is actual ass. Or maybe I just hate this trope so much I can't enjoy anything with it.
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>>2432085Worse. It was this ugly faggot that covers lolcow drama and is in his 40s.
No. 2432107
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>>2432095She drew tons of nasty nsfw of him. Her art oozees mento illness she should have been thrown to the looney bin before to prevent this obvioust outcome. She made sock puppets to harass and alog another female artist because she had beef with this vtuber she was obsessed. The most mentally ill pickme fangirl i have ever heard of.
No. 2432120
>>2425152It went beyond fandom drama. The community she was part of (doomposting) is one of the worst ones in all of LatAm, this was bound to happen one way or another. She was retarded, but everyone there sucks. That community has enough drama to sustain a whole thread.
>>2432098>>2432090This pathetic faggot supposedly studied medicine kek
Worst part is most of his donors are male dramafags
No. 2432132
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>>2432127Here is another drawing that was part of her husbando shrine. She lived with her parents btw this was hanging on her room. She somehow managed to make something pure like husbando shrines cringe and annoying.
No. 2432159
>>2432132All that schizoing only for the moid to ditch her in order to save his ass.
>>2432139>>2432136Exactly, she could've been hiperfixated on some pathetic fictional husbando instead, like The Riddler or Kylo Ren. What a waste of mental illness
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>>2432071Taarna is one of my favorite fictional characters idgaf coombait. I’ve never encountered a stoic female lead like her in any other piece of media. Tragic.
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>>2432292There's some cool stoic female characters out there if you look, Ginny from Pretty Deadly is one of my faves. I do wish we had some more classic fantasy cartoons instead of the new age of fantasy, I hate the sort of modern-esque 'tacti-cool' designs and Adventure Zone like personalities. There's so many cool fantasy stories to choose from, maybe an animated Fafhrd and Gray Mouser series or Elric of Melniboné.
No. 2432596
>>2432027ANIMATION. IS. CINEMA!
>picture of the amazing digital circus>picture of either amphibia or toh>picture of either su or craig of the creek>flavor of the month free spacerinse and repeat
No. 2432652
>>2430406My theory is that, due to Japan's strict obscenity laws, Jap moids have had to find "workarounds" to get off and that's how they developed such strange fetishes. Lolicon was able to thrive as a porn genre in part because anti-pornography laws at the time (don't know about current laws) explicitly forbade images where pubic hair was shown, and lol, little girls don't have pubic hair. So a lot of otaku fetishes probably developed to get around those laws.
>>2430449>dating games
Fuck's sakeYou will not find a good plot in a gashit game.
If you want a long story with a female protagonist and focus on straight romance/husbandos, play the average otome game.
If you want coom, play WHB or something on that level (BL soshage/gacha/mobage exist that are on that level and worse, if you don't mind BL. Otome never gets that coomer except for a couple of rare cases).
If you want just the romance and cute interactions, play a dating sim or a more complex, not-dating-sim game with dating sim elements like modern Fire Emblem.
If you want good gameplay, don't play otome at all, unless LADS gameplay is engaging enough for you.
But you will never, and I mean NEVER, find all of these things in a single game. It simply doesn't exist. LADS is terribly hindered by being gacha garbage, but unfortunately that's what makes the most money right now.
You say you don't want fanservice (I'm assuming you mean suggestive/erotic content instead of the broader meaning) or "dating games", whatever that means. Well, just play literally any other genre of game that isn't otome or gacha, then.
Sort of unrelated but I swear I do not understand how the fuck gachafags (specifically, Genshitfags who are disappointed in the current state of their game and want to jump ship) are so addicted to the genre and/or fandom that they can't fathom playing anything else, like it's not even an option that crosses their minds. So many of them whine about not having other gacha options with the same level of writing and lore as Genshit. Have they EVER played any other video game in their lives? Have they never heard of The Legend of Zelda? Or are they so close-minded that anything that isn't EXACTLY the same characters and art style as Genshit's but with another name too unfamiliar for them? If what they're addicted to is the fandom, maybe watch anime or something? It's not like non-gacha games don't have huge active fandoms, either. And if what they want is a live service game, there are MMOs. I really think they just want a Genshit recolor and won't accept anything else because the gacha mechanics have irreversibly fried their brains. God I fucking hate gachashit.
>>2430347>>2430353Sounds like an absolute newfag because I remember people on 4chan just accepting that shit for moids and shit for women aren't meant to appeal to the other sex, and women sticking to female-oriented stuff is completely normal.
No. 2432668
>>2432132>>2432107This would've been so based if it wasn't a real moid and she hadn't been insane. Nemu tier.
>>2432257I don't remember a lot and I only ever saw what the community was like back in 2017 or around that year, and it was only some glimpses. From my understanding, it's a Facebook(?) community dedicated to the Mexican lolcow Doomentio and those in his circle. I'd say he's like the Mexican Chris Chan in terms of cow status.
But I guess that community got really shitty and milky on its own because people like
>>2432120 now talk about it in a negative way. I have no idea what they're doing but I think I can kinda get an idea of what it's like.
>>2431238>>2430442I hate how normalized porn is now.
No. 2432669
>>2432652Gacha games are 'free'. Yeah there's microtransactions and rolling. But you don't have to pay at all to get the story.
So if you're a kid or poorfag that can't afford a Switch or 'real' games like LoZ you're sorta stuck with it.
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>>2432652I'm sure you wanted to show off your knowledge, but I'll keep calling them dating games even though I played stuff like Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side back in the day because it gets to the point.
Gachas/"social games" whatever you want to call them are sadly the front of innovation nowadays in Asia, along with indie games in the west. The media aimed at the shoujo/josei demographic always struggled with misogyny from the producers believing those games have to be simple and easy. I WANT them to be good, but there's only a few gems in a mountain of stuff restricted by the genre.
It keeps surprising moids that women are making doujinshi of media aimed at men, but a good plot will interest everyone. Media in the branch of "fanservice" suffers from getting shit gameplay and generic stories, because the nobody working on it cares about making something subversive or interesting (in most cases).
Which is where we have the moid issue. Fanservice games for men are so common that they need to introduce gameplay and plot elements to stand out, while games aimed at women struggle to get a budget. The problem is sadly on an industry level, where men ignore the success of (speaking of gachaslop) twisted wonderland and enstars, until LADS slaps them in the face by selling more than genshit.
No. 2432713
>>2430562>>2432046Anon, for fuck's sake. People all over the world have killed themselves over internet drama for ages.
>>2432081>What?NTA but it's a pun on "simple as".
>>2432085You already got your answer but remember to read the whole chain of replies before asking about things that have already been said
>>2425128 No. 2432744
>>2432700>I'll keep calling them dating games even though I played stuff like Tokimeki Memorial Girl's Side back in the dayWell I'm sorry for the confusion Ms. Oldfag, it's just that back then they were mostly called "dating sims", and these days, and I'd argue even back then, there's many confused newfags to the genre calling any romance game/VN a "dating game" (some people do, some people use it to mean only dating simulation), which is similar to how the term "dating sim" became further muddled by normies who conflated all VNs with dating sims and got this impression from "ironic" VNs. That's why I didn't know what you meant by that, how am I supposed to know someone was actually using the term right for once?
Not replying to the rest of your post because we agree on everything you said.
>>2432719>Congratulations, Tears of the Kingdom released in 2023.Yeah, so? If you want to play an open world game, that's an option. If you've already played it, there are other options as well. If the problem is that it's not trendy enough, maybe they should say so and hop on another bandwagon, although that doesn't mean that the Zelda fandom is dead.
>Of course people are going to discuss live service game while a niche community mods the romhack of OoT for PC to an insane level.There's plenty of game franchises, new and old, that have active fan communities similar to Genshit's, even if not as big, and aren't solely focused on niche nerd shit like making OoT PC mods (not that anything is preventing them from finding stuff like that interesting either. What's wrong with that?). Fan communities with lots of female fans that produce tons of fanart exist outside of Genshit or their gachaslop of choice. What I meant is, if they liked that game so much maybe they'd enjoy something like Zelda, especially BotW and TotK, but that's not the only franchise they can try.
>I don't play Genshin but why are you surprised it gets discussed the same amount as FFXIV?What? Did I say I'm surprised that Genshit is popular? That's not what I implied at all.
What surprises me is how unwilling to try other games they are because they don't wanna play Genshin anymore due to how bad it's become, but they seem to want the exact same content in terms of things like lore and gameplay. Wanting more of the thing you love, or wanting it to be good again is understandable, but it seems to me they're so close-minded they refuse to give other games or media a chance, and they're missing out on a lot of good games from the past and present because of it. It's not difficult to appreciate different kinds games.
>>2432669Well, you make a good point. But a lot of these people complaining aren't just adults, but also have decent PCs and did spend money on Genshit monthly, so it's not like they're too poor to buy better games on sale. I think if you truly can't play anything else, you'd be more likely to keep playing the same game, but that's not the sort of player I'm talking about so that's irrelevant. The people I'm talking about absolutely have the means to start playing something else, they just have no idea what or are unwilling to try new things outside of their very small comfort zone.
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>>2432885>This is what annoys me the most with genshit fags. They're so unwilling to leave the sinking ship they'd much rather die with it then sea to better shores.Picrel is my reaction when Hoyo pulls their usual bullshit and the genshinfags say they're totally going to quit for real this time
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>>2432973Nah she's based.
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>>2433008
why the fuck would you post this.
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>>2433020she is not a ''shotafag'' she is a pickme who caters to autopedophile men.
If you want to see a real shotafag then go look at the doujin I serve Twin Vampires the male leads are adults, they just have a youthful appearance but you get the point)
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>>2433008
No. 2433040
>>2433034>hey dont even look shota they just look like generic bishies.go and tell that to the retarded bato moderators who take down every comic where the male leads look petite or childish then.
This doujin also has a a second chapter but i won't get to see it due to bato dictator mods.
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Shake shake(baiting)
No. 2433318
>>2432886Otomeshit and TLshit are supposed to be for women, Heavy Metal is not. That's why it's disappointing that otome/TL manga is so lame and boring and that the protag is constantly infantilized and condescended to, or even sexualized even when the target audience is female, it's not "moralfagging" to point out obvious hypocrisy and a very real psyop. It's not necessarily for "radfem" reasons either like
>>2432889 is implying, god forbid women don't like female characters that are constantly acting or treated as children and pornified. Sometimes some farmers forget that you don't need to be into feminism at all to be uncomfortable with your own sex being portrayed like that and being told that you have to like it in media that was meant for you.
But with moidshit you sort of already know what you're getting into so there's nothing to be disappointed about in the first place. The bar is in hell from the beginning. You already know it's for scrotes and that it's gonna be retarded so, for some people, it's easier to filter out the coom here than in female-oriented media.
Some people prefer being surprised by moidslop than being disappointed by female-oriented shit that feels like it's still trying to pander to scrotes/self-hating women. Like if it's supposed to be for me, why is it so similar to stuff for men? Why even bother when moidslop has more interesting female characters (at the cost of worse sexualization/degeneracy). Others would rather stick to otome/TL trash even if it's cringe and learn to love it, instead of bothering with moidshit. Hell, there are people who like or hate both. Or maybe you've spent so much time looking for obscure underrated gems on one side that you're sick of it and the other side feels like a breath of fresh air. Regardless of which of the two you prefer, it doesn't make you any better or worse, unless someone's acting like a prick about it and calling the other a pickme, cuck or whatever.
That nona explicitly said she likes the character's personality so much that she can overlook the coomer design. Most people here would prefer a cool female character like that withOUT the coomer shit. But most of the time you can only have one or the other. Other nonas might not be able to look past the design. It
really depends on what you're looking for.
We all have different opinions and don't agree on the exact same things all the time.
No. 2433325
>>2432132>>2432107>>2432309Just when you think you’ve seen everything on the internet…
There has to be some sort of lesson here in fanaticism, and how far is too far. This young lady should’ve been stopped in her tracks long ago, nothing is worth risking your life for like this…
No. 2433335
>>2433292ily
nonnie, she's the best. idgaf about her big titty self inserts because she actually mostly focuses on the guys. Her art is also amazing, i can only dream to become half as good in my lifetime.
No. 2433348
>>2433038You oughta read this post.
>>>/m/456486>>2433278NTA (I'm
>>2433318 also adding that if I wanna read otome/TL it's because I wanna look at hot straight anime dudes being cute, so it should be obvious what the problem is) but everyone here already brutally criticizes moidslop in many threads. I know I do. You don't know what the other anon's thoughts on everything are just from one post. Nobody screeched at that anon because she was having a civil conversation with other nonas and she made it explicitly clear that, even if she knows it's coombait, she doesn't care and enjoys the character's personality regardless of it. No sane person would feel the need to criticize her for it, unless you're one of those posters who really hates it when other women like things they hate and tries to convince them of not enjoying those things anymore. Seriously, a lot of anons need to chill out about other anons liking or not liking what they personally hate or love, repectively.
Also, believe it or not, but you can consume a piece of media that you hate for the most part, and still enjoy some of it. That's what normal people do.
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Number 1 public enemy of 12 year olds on pinterest.
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>>2433687Because she's a fujo I guess?
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>>2432977>rifuruI had once got tricked into reading a hentai manga that she had drawn because I was told that it has a super submissive and expressive ML. But it ended up being the most disgusting thing I had ever read because the male and female characters looked like they belonged to two different genres, and it was pretty obvious that it was written for moids. It didn't help that the women on batoto were praising it as something revolutionary because the moid had a small and "realistic" penis. Like, why would a woman enjoy reading a manga about the most unrealistic big, titty moe faced bimbo mommying the most average looking self insert scrote with a micropenis.
>>2433030I ended up speed-reading this, and it is unironically so much better than the abomination Rifuru draws. The male characters are also superior.
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>>2433687Probably because she’s a fat girl that gets to have her fujo fun while having every moid want to be with her. The show should’ve gone the yuri route tbh, Shima was actually interested in Kae before her weight loss and they had way more in common than the male love interests who only liked her body or just because she was kind
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No. 2433736
>>2433696Thanks for introducing me to her
shota hentai
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To be fair when I see Tomosane I get so angry that I sometimes have to get up and pace around a bit because I hate him so much.
No. 2433749
>>2433370>male shounen manga writers admit that they were told to increase the breast size of female characters if they wanted to write them assertively, or their characters were made to sound more cutesyThat's actually great information. Do you have sources? Sources for this kind of psyop need to be compiled at some point.
>>2433696>the male and female characters looked like they belonged to two different genresI hate this shit so much. We should compile instances of this sexual dimorphism thing kek.
I have never read anything by Rifuru, but I mean, those works you're talking about were explicitly aimed at moids. She has a more recent manga that's aimed at women so that's what you should be comparing to the manhwa you read.
>>2433743>>2433746Why can't they just self-insert? Do they not realize that's what they're meant to do? lmao
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>>2433709I remember when slander pinterest was popular in 2021/2022, for some reason boyfriends was their main target (and dream smp)
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>>2433704Fucking thank you! I dont give a shit that generic bishie no.5 also liked her from the start, Shima was loaded, a fujo, and loved her both from the start AND when she regained her weight. She even searched for content of her notp so she could find a gift for her birthday, drew doujinshis for her, and cosplayed as her husbando. that is true fujo courting and mogs whatever the fuck generic childhood friend had to put in the table aside from doing the bare minimum of treating her like a human being when she was fat. All the bishie scrote did was make her pregnant and trap her with kids. I still seethe about the ending to this day THE FUJO SHOULDVE BEEN ENDGAME
No. 2433767
>>2433736Nta but hope you enjoy kek
>>2433743Its another level of internalized misogyny
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>>2433749>Do they not realize that's what they're meant to do? Yes.
>>2433758For me it's second only to those danganronpa discourse posts where they talked about ships they dislike or rape.
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>>2433775Samefag, but I remember pearl was hated by everyone on slander pinterest despite her gender special pronouns. They didn't care they just wanted to fight people kek
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>>2433778I think it comes from kids not understanding that people get horny kek.
>thinks smoking is coolNow I don't smoke and go into a coughing fit when I'm near cigarettes, but I can aknowledge that it looks pretty sexy in the right context.
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>>2433758>>2433709>>2433776Children need to hang out on Roblox or Club Penguin or whatever and stay away from the rest of the internet until their brains develop properly
No. 2434933
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>>2434901>the boys anon watches it forI’m sorry but even in the manga the moids are all ugly, not my fault the mangaka made the perfect partner for the protagonist be another woman and then made her choose a boring male that only likes her because she was nice to him. It would be different if the males had more character but it’s always an issue with shoujo romances with fujos as the main girl. Another example would be Fujoshi Rumi and how forced the het pairing felt. The protag had to imagine herself as a man to be able to come to terms with liking him and he only started to notice her because she chose him as a model for her doujins over his hotter friend
No. 2434960
>>2434951I am literally watching it right now but looked it up for you.
Far right, who is my personal favorite, is endgame. You have good taste anon, those are my favorites too.
No. 2435065
>>2433776>>2433786Those pinterest kids said that YBC is illegal material when the characters don't even look like children
>>2434119they have roblox but unfortunately they get groomed constantly on there
No. 2435397
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>>2433696>I had once got tricked into reading a hentai manga that she had drawn because I was told that it has a super submissive and expressive ML.sorry anon but you are retarded for using batoto. Her best work(shota) isnt going to be there. Her new bishie work hasnt been scanned yet, either.
No. 2435418
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>>2433749Nta but this had happened with Nihei. He got mindbroken by his editors into drawing his female characters with bigger boobs kek.
>>"It's been 4 days since I started this drawing. First of all, the first rough art I submitted was Killy and Dhomochevsky holding a gun, but the editors forced me to "just draw tits". 20 years of being a manga artist, sometimes I just wanna draw what I want to. But still, all I get is emails from my manager asking me for the direct opposite of what I want to draw. Then I get laughed at when I ask what "π/" meant, thinking it was a typo, getting asked how an active manga artist doesn't know what π/ means.((side note π/ means tit oppai->pai→π)) On top of that, I get complaints about using too much gray and black for a color print, making me give Sanakan's skin color and drawing tits larger, both Shibo and Sanakan ended up looking nothing like the original art. Gradually as I continue redrawing Shibo's tits, I start tearing up as I realize my unworthiness. But I had no time to cry. Even tomorrow, I need to finish the cover art for my ongoing "Aposimz" series' 2nd book. There's another reason I feel like crying. Cover art doesn't make me money. Once when I asked why, I was hit with the grinniest grin ever, getting told that's just how things are. But I've heard in other companies cover art makes money. No, the rumor that other manga artists get paid for cover art in Kodansha… No, gotta focus on my work, for now, no time for bad thoughts." No. 2435431
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>>2435428>nucaniUnfortunately, Nucani has been going down the safe horny fully clothed moid route and became censored as fuck as of late. And no one complains because women are pussies and don't chimp out like moids do (which we should)
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>>2435418>>2435430Nihei really is a suffering artist.
No. 2435453
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>>2435431Damn they all look ai generated. I have never played this game, I only save fanart of Rei and Blade but doesn't Nucani have explicit sex scenes. I don't get what is stopping the creators from putting the characters in more interesting, lewd outfits.
>>2435439>editors keep forcing him to draw big titty waifus>wife has divorced him>daughter thinks his manga is trashHe has it rough kek.
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>>2435453Their outfits used to be a lot more lewd, but recently a censored version got released which directly impacted their baseline designs. It sucks.
>>2435457Not SJ, but I know Hiromu Arakawa (fullmetal alchemist) specifically chose that name so people wouldn't assume less of her manga because she's a woman or something along those lines. It honestly makes me super happy that arguably the most critically acclaimed anime of all time was originally written by a woman.
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>>2435483comparing her to princely anime women should count as homophia. Dont compare that ugly retard with a bowl cut to actual princely girls.
No. 2435512
>>2435457The author of World
Trigger says he did it casually in one of the volumes talking about the characters, the editor was worried that one of the characters would seen too much of a bitch, so they added more boobs to counteract complaints.
>>2435474It's been more difficult since so many of their big titles are ending, they're struggling trying to replace the empty space with new titles because none are getting enough crowds they want. They've been doing a lot of stuff to counteract that, including hiring new female authors.
One of their recent titles that's been popular has been by a female duo, the first time its happened. The writer of Iruma that they managed to get and the artist for Act Age, who probably has a lot of hate for men right now considering the absolute fucking retard pedo she was partnered with first almost ruined her career.
No. 2435532
>>2435512>One of their recent titles that's been popular has been by a female duo, the first time its happenedIs that Ichi the Witch? I've seen one anon recommending it recently but I haven't given it a try because I want to be up to date with other series I've started recently before that.
>>2435519They're either retarded or they assume the audience is retarded. There have been cases of editors making series way less terrible than they were supposed to be, especially Naruto, and I bet they also helped Death Note to be good after seen how terrible the beginning of Bakuman was with its female characters and how everyone hated Platinum End when it ended, but some of them want everything to be as generic and boring as possible. I'm not checking everything from the shonen jump but I've been into many of its series from when I was a small kid to now, is it me or is there less fanservice now than before despite all of this? I can't think of any recent shonen jump action series that has as much fanservice as Dr Slump, the first half of Dragon Ball, City Hunter, Cats Eyes or Bastard. Even silly bullshit like Naruto changing into a naked woman for like 5 panels in total in the manga as a gag isn't something I can compare to current shonen jump manga.
No. 2435547
>>2435532>Is that Ichi the Witch?Yup.
>is it me or is there less fanservice now than before despite all of this?Tbh I think it might just have to do with Shounen Jump being a stressful job. There's a lot easier ways for hentai artists to make a living nowadays, they don't have to struggle with drawing on a week deadline.
No. 2435549
>>2435457>>2435512>>2435418I don't know why some anons are surprised by this, it's a well known fact that manga editors force sexualization and woobification of the female characters to coddle all the horny teenage boys reading the manga. They also do that for anime adaptations. Not all scrote mangakas are terminal coomers who want to draw titcows and take detours with girls being demeaned simply for the male gaze, a lot of them are just storytelling and battle autists who feel adding oversexualization is cheapening their work.
>>2435532Toriyama's work and stuff like City Hunter had a lot of fanservice but it was laid out very on the nose so paradoxically it wasn't as distracting and mostly used for comedic effect, but nowadays the fanservice is so ingrained into the story that the female characters don't have any agency besides sucking protagonist cock and being wish-fulfillment waifus. For example nowadays you couldn't make a female character beat a male character up for accidentally peeping on her like they did in the 90's because that would be "mean" and "bitchy", they'll just have to take and even enable it.
No. 2435629
>>2435022You will not believe this, anon, but some women actually enjoy all kinds of romance, regardless of their actual sexuality. They don't need to justify their love for cute/interesting romances by telling you what their sexual orientation is.
>>2435397>scannedACKSHUALYL it's digital on DLsite so it should be easy to rip. Also this manga's sex scenes look really good, they're entirely focused on the guys. Inshallah she keeps BTFO of her scrote audience and TL publishers like this.
>>2435417>muh safe horny suitfagsAgain with the fucking "suitfag" shit. I like both suits and slutwear and I'm sure I'm not the only one here who does. You're making up a divide that doesn't actually exist just because you personally are tired of femgaze art where the men don't wear revealing clothes (which is entirely fair).
Scrotes don't know what women want, and even when they do know, they pretend to know better. Don't listen to them, don't let them gaslight you.
No. 2435646
>>2435635Then they were also faking a divide because most of us 2Dfags don't give a shit. That thread was an absolute trainwreck and both sides were equally retarded. I have seen the anons who think wanting to see more naked men is gay male behavior, yeah they're dumb.
There's women who like het, yaoi and yuri at the same time, and there's women who like suits and slutwear in equal amounts. But they usually don't participate in these shit-flinging contests and that's why you don't see them argue with the retards often.
No. 2435697
>>2428970Kek, related: I love playing these fun mindgames with a TIF fandom mutual wherein I am very openly happy & comfortable about being a regular straight woman and this causes her to crash the fuck out for literally 0 reason. I can tell because she keeps goading me to thirst over female characters (“sorry, not interested!”), adopt troon headcanons (“I’m not trans, I wouldn’t want to be disrespectful by getting it wrong!”) and even going so far as to try and insert her own troon narratives into
my story with
my OCs (“nice idea, this would be non-canon for me personally though <3”). It riles her up so badly that I sometimes cackle with glee when the passive-aggressive undertones come bleeding through her messages in droves. I can tell she’s dying to find some dirt on me being a radfem to make a callout but can’t find a thing since I’ll dripfeed her with just enough “muh troons lives matter!” BS to soothe it over when needed. Nonas, if you’re ever bored, I recommend find yourself a TIF moron to play cat-and-mouse with. 10/10 would troll again.
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>>2429982> Every single one of these retards is head over heels for trans Viktor anyway, because they want to self insert onto a small woman with a pussyI loved Viktor in S2 a LOT because he’s exactly my type: dark-blue, blond, depressed but soft guy with some kind of curse weighing him down (looking at you, Dainsleif). So earlier today I was actually wondering why, despite this, I had completely blocked him out of my mind soon after Arcane ended. Thank you for reminding me. It was the troon-Viktor fanarts: they are absolutely fucking disgusting. If you want to read even a sliver of NSFW content on this man on Ao3, you’ll be forced to scroll through pages of “tee hee pussy Viktor” before getting scraps of bio-penis, and that’s still
after doing all I can to filter out the troon slop. Even worse, I like bottom Viktor, which means I can kiss goodbye to any fanart of him with a dick. I would honestly rather take asexual Viktor (due to the magic hexcore body shit) with a barbie-smooth pelvic region over yet another nasty ass picture of Jayce eating out a saggy vulva. Lord, will someone free my precious, pretty husband from this curse?
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>>2432579I’ve seen Vox’s real face through leaks and he’s actually okay looking for a 3DPD. I wish he would lay off the corny “sexy-daddy” demon act though, it doesn’t suit him at all. He’s at his best when he relaxes and acts naturally on stream, since he feels like the kind of guy I could meet and date irl. At the end of the day I don’t really watch his stuff though since the ASMR is a bit too cringe for me. Shame.
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>>2435499If you don't play the game, dont take the nona's words as gospel. They have been pushing this theory over at the lc nukani thread and also 4chan, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the opinion of most players. Releasing a censored version helped the devs branch out their collabs with brands that wouldn't work with a purely NSFW franchise and access customers who don't play anything that's not on app store, but there wasn't a complete overhaul in how the designs were. The game has always created designs to suit the event themes and the seasons, and the level of exposure have understandably varied from event to event. The winter outfit in picrel was before the censored version got released and the in your face bulge summer fit was after. The pic from
>>2435431 has the characters go to an academy for nobles for some competition and shit so ofc they can't dress sluttily there.
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>>2435795Yeah, another reason you won't see most players complain about the amount of coverage is the fact that you can strip the character sprites (picrel) and are also guaranteed to see them naked and fucking as a part of their unlockable personal stories. And like you said, it feels rewarding to find out the character is wearing a thong under his prim and proper outfit, kek.
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The word “gooner” is the best thing to happen to modern fandom. I just saw a viral tweet where a moid complained about a girl in his class calling SF6 “gooner slop”, with hordes of scrotes in the comments bitching about similar experiences:
> “So we can’t have women in games anymore??? The word gooner has lost all meaning”
No, no, no, no, you retarded little man-child. You just don’t like the fact that women now have a word to call out the fact that ALL media made by men for men has some degree of absurd over-sexualisation of women. AKA: goonslop. I love seeing male gamers in particular coping and seething at being forced to look in the mirror and face their porn-addiction head-on. No wonder they keep chimping out so hard. Keep up the slander, ladies.
No. 2435855
>>2435839The original reply was about them
experimenting with designs, it's not like you were the demographic they're aiming for to begin with.
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There is this girl shitting up a community tab I follow on Tumblr. It's so fucking funny because her art is atrocious - but I looked into her social medias because I thought she was a kid?? She's a grown woman with a disability (maybe Downs Syndrome lite). Very sweet, very passionate. Now I feel like an asshole for wanting her stuff gone. But she's still shitting up the tab…?
No. 2435868
>>2435851I will always love the term "gooner" and all similar phrases. Most zoomer-speak is atrocious, but that one hit the nail on the head. We have this word now. They cannot deny it.
>>2435852Still goonerslop. Be proud. Don't be in denial. That makes us more powerful.
>>2435854Yes they can. Women are not unicorns incapable of shlicking it endlessly to shit we enjoy. And that is okay.
No. 2435872
Do women generally just hate sexy male designs? Doesn't all the suitslop get boring? Even SSA are that suit sexy psy-op shit. Not saying men need to be in school girl uniforms to be sexy, that's retarded, I just want variety in my ikemen for fuck sake.
>>2435867Then give us a better example?
No. 2435881
Remember to not reply to bait. No matter how many times you politely and carefully explain it to them, they'll never stop projecting their black-and-white thinking onto everything you post. If you reply, you already know how it's gonna end.
>>2435868>I will always love the term "gooner" and all similar phrases. Most zoomer-speak is atrocious, but that one hit the nail on the head."Gooning" was invented by scrotes who masturbate all day while watching hardcore pornography on 10 different monitors at the same time as a hobby.
>Yes they can.It's an exclusively male hobby. What you mean is "coomer"; women can absolutely be coomers. I hate it when people use the word "gooner" for women who merely make horny tweets about their husbandos. It's just scrotes trying to make women look as bad as males, like how they started calling non-pickmes "
femcels" because the word "incel" being used despectively was hurting ther feefees
>Women are not unicorns incapable of shlicking it endlessly to shit we enjoy. And that is okay.No one denied this.
No. 2435900
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>>2435883>most casual clothing is uggoThis, most casual men's clothes are just ugly.
>Being a suitfag doesn’t mean I’m a puritan who rees at skin.Exactly.
By the way, no matter how many times you state the obvious (that you can like both), you're not gonna stop certain people from being like that, they'll keep screeching about "suitfags". Next time, just don't reply to anyone who uses that word because it's guaranteed to turn into an infight. Whether they're actually just trolls or really that stupid, you should not give them ANY attention. If everyone learned to ignore them, they'd chimp out for a short while, desperately trying to get a reply, and if that didn't work, they'd fuck off for good. So please do your part and don't reply to anyone who uses that word or sounds dense as fuck despite giving them explanations, or like they're trying to start something. That's how you deal with trolls, baiters and infighters.>>2435885Okay, but that's irrelevant. "You or whoever posted that pic". Whatever, it's not a big deal.
No. 2435903
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>>2435839Can't speak of anime lewdness in general but the character design you seem to dislike is one of the more "feminine lewd" types in nukani. The other men are lewded in different ways, like the one further up above (the left one in
>>2435793), or picrel. Do they pass your standards for male sexualization? Just curious.
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>>2435903NTA, but I did agree with her.
I kinda like this one, I just wish he wasn't wearing pants, or at least have his inner thighs be exposed. I'm a big fan of loincloths. Kars from Jojo is my favorite example. You could say this isn't humiliating or sexual for him, but if another character was forced to wear something similar and he found it embarrassing or it turned him on, that'd be ideal for me.
Actually, I think the reason I don't like stuff like
>>2435814 is all the random, retarded, unnecessary details that don't really add anything, in my opinion, although it could also be the artist's fault for not emphasizing it the right way, they look like an afterthought. To me,
>>2435814 looks so cluttered that I just lose interest.
But I think
>>2435793 is hot.
No. 2435933
>>2435747he looks like yanderedev if he was normal from the beginning
>>2435863>here is this girl shitting up a community tab I follow on Tumblr.ngl that is how i feel whenever i post fanart on socmed. but life is to be lived yolo etc etc
No. 2435952
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>>2435793>so ofc they can't dress sluttily thereHas that ever been a big deal in-universe? It's been a while since I played, but I recall Edmond wearing this in front of his mom and not even she gave a shit.
No. 2435954
>>2435952I'm not a nukanifag/fujo but I think this kind of outfit should be the standard even if they release a non-R18 version. It's only fair, since this shit
>>2431238 is on the Play Store.
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>>2435952Ayrt you're correct that people in that event didn't care about Ed's attire, but despite the spicy dominatrix elements in the design, it actually covers almost everything other than his stomach (some nona will pop up calling it burqa any moment kek). I will say though, this is the most "obviously lewd but not perceived by the world as such" outfit in nukani, the other lewd ones have some sort of rationalization behind it which I personally like (like picrel is supposed to be suitable for hot weather kek)
No. 2436012
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a bunch of younger zoomers/alphas recently raided a discord server i'm in that generally aims slightly older (for context, i'm a zoomie too, born in the middle of the generation). the server is about a niche interest that is mostly popular with old people so its online presence and fandom is on the smaller side. we generally have discussions about the media (i hate to use the word but it's the one that fits), the intentions of the author, analysis of the characters… when the alphas invaded all they did was spam memes and irony poisoning. when the older members, that aren't even THAT old, said that this server leans on the more serious side and that shitposting and irony poisoning may be better suited for another server, they got mad and said that we "were just angry at teenagers having silly fun". we weren't even mad, just startled because the raid came out of nowhere. they have their own little corner on twitter where the meme spam and shitposting continues, and all of this made me realize that oh my god, i am the old woman yelling at clouds now. but also, can't younger people in fandom just enjoy content the normal way? without 23 ironic memes and tiktoks sprinkled on top.
also, does anyone else here get annoyed at how some people latch on throwaway/very minor/background characters? it just comes across as very tryhard, like there's no actual passion for the character, just the need to be the first to like the character no one else cares about. there's nothing wrong on liking the main character or mascot.
No. 2436030
>>2436012The server owner needs to be more strict or else the annoying ones will take over until they ruin the place, and then get bored with it after they chased others away. Having an 18+ requirement is good, even if there's nothing inappropriate being posted. I can't even get along with most people 21-23 these days.
> can't younger people in fandom just enjoy content the normal way?No. Fandom among the younger generation is not about the source material. It's about fandom community, fandom trends, and the source material is just their little toy blocks that they don't actually care that much about.
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>>2436012that sounds wretched, sorry nonna. tbh makes me realize that i lucked out because the server i spent a few years on always just straight up banned annoying people and ended up staying around 30 close friends. there was a few teens there that were able to fit in well and play around with the others.
>silly fun mobbing people is silly fun??
No. 2436056
>>2436012I feel this. My gut tells me I was probably this annoying when I was a 15 y/o into fandom, but even then I was out there putting all my effort into making poorly-done fanfic and fanart of my OTP.
It feels like so many people only want to engage with a work through regurgitating memes, and they only care about fandom so they can have a group to belong to/interact with, and the actual content of the source material is incidental.
No. 2436147
>>2436139Jojo and homestuck
Shit media, shit fandoms
No. 2436150
>>2436139as an outsider, maybe genshin and genshin-like games (like cookie run… sorry). i've never seen genuine joy coming from those fandoms.
anything that aims younger, like no one 18+ would like this. sprunki, dandy's world, maxdesignpro (that stuff has an actual fandom and i can only wonder why).
anything featuring heavily ugly walled men, whether they're 2d or 3dpd. bands, youtubers, videogames and/or shows that had another target audience in mind (ie. was for middle aged men but tifs latched on it), so on.
obviously fotm that start right out of the gate big like mouthwashing or tadc.
cartoons that aren't either for kids or adults but stunted manchildren. su, craig of the creek, ducktales, she-ra, voltron and other wanimes, owl house, amphibia, etc.
stan twitter, both of western and eastern artists. oh my god. i'd be down for a stantwt cringe thread.
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Posts like this are strange since no ones cared about OCs in over a decade.
No. 2436241
>>2436139Based on consequential impact.
Homestuck
Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, MLP, Voltron
Genshin Impact
AoT, MHA, and Chainsaw Man
No. 2436395
>>2433661>>2433704>>2433709why is it that women and young girls hate this type of character instead of just enjoying it? like
>>2433743 said it's clearly made for them. is it that they're scared of indulging in their own fantasies? men would never react like this to the male equivalent of such a character and setting
No. 2436454
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What causes this extreme level of pickmeism in women? I choose to believe all female lolicons are pickmes besides rare causes like yuripedo especially since this woman has a boyfriend. She's blasian so I wonder if it's racial insecurity or she got molested as a kid.