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>>>/ot/2628745 No. 2629802
>>2629798From what I've seen, anime fans
in general definitely don't like black edits of characters. I've seen them chimp out so many times over this nothing of a problem.
No. 2629841
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>>2629798I dont give a FUCK about anime (aside from Harry Potter) but it would be based as all fuck if instead of making Japanese characters black they made them like Ainu and shit
No. 2629855
>>2629846Oh isnt that where the girl makes the dude eat a ton of raw meat? That was kinda based.
But ya what I mean is they should race swap the colonizer race of Japanese ppl idfk what they are called with Ainu and other indigenous peoples who originally resided in Japan.
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He's so insufferable, holy shit
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>>2629869I will take an army of black Amy's over a single god damn fucking tranny Sonic. It is the most ablest shit in the world to take Sonic's design. A design that has gotten irl people maced over the color of his arms, and just put these two ugly fucked up scars on it for no reason but lame fucking politics. Autistic people are in PAIN and these tranny shitheads don't care.
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>>2629882i haven’t seen south park angst about a het ship before. kinda interesting, i thought this type of fan was only into yaoi. why did the artist make wendy look like the end result bimbofication fetish art?
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>>2629862I am stronger than you males. My wants, my desires, my sexuality has been suppressed and maligned since I knew of its existence. When I learned of women like me, past and present, I saw the same. There is no sanctuary for me, no storied history for me to fondly look back on. I am a maverick. I am a pioneer. I am a woman who loves hot men. Hot cartoon men. My life, my existence, has always been in spite of the world. I am strong, you are weak. I was built and bred to thrive. I will continue to swim through the storm, knowing I will make it to the other side. You will drown in a puddle. I will be victorious. I will create a new world.
No. 2630152
>>2629926I think you actually might be onto something
nonny, I see it
No. 2630207
>>2622710NTA, old post but I think anyone who's been thinking of playing What in Hell Is Bad for the femdom should read this.
I've been playing it for the past month (PC/Steam version) because it was shilled on /m/, and there's so much maledomshit (with choking and slapping, etc. even the love interests' attitude is annoyingly dominant) in the main story AND in the sex cards that I almost got filtered. Pulling the femdom cards will take forever, so I advise you not to play, unless you're prepared to grind or to whale (lol). Or, if you can endure all that and log-in for a whole month, you get one free L-rank card (sex card) of your choice, meaning you can pick one of the femdom cards. But be careful, because sometimes you can't tell just by looking at the art whether the card's story will actually be femdom or not. Even if they look subby in the illustration they can still be dominant in the story.
There's a lot of characters, and a lot of them have very coomer designs, so that's a plus. But the couple ones I actually like aside from coomer reasons are A+ rank, and those don't get sex scenes or extra content. Since most of the characters are dominant and annoying like I said before, I actually hate most of them kek. The protagonist isn't as stupid as the typical Japanese otome protagonist, but the moid devils still treat her as a clumsy damsel in distress and a lot of times disregard her feelings because they "love her" so much which is something that I can't stand.
Honestly, the plot is kind of retarded and boring, and whether it's the main story or an event story, there's horrible amounts of padding in between each part, which makes everything feel even more pointless and like it's designed to make you spend on the game as much as possible. The translation at the beginning is laughably bad, although it does improve somewhat over time. The UI, especially in battles, is full of minor, but still annoying glitches. The "battle" gameplay is also pretty bad, and it seems that the devs didn't give a fuck about level design, so in harder levels you're simply prevented from placing your units in spots that would be pretty convenient (it makes zero sense for those spots to be blocked for you). The little bits of (shit) plot you get in between the (shit) gameplay sections makes the main story a real slog.
I'm in Chapter 4 now and I stopped giving a fuck about the plot a long while ago, so now I just skip everything so I can move on to the next battle. There are beginner missions that give you lots of "keys" which are your gacha pull tickets, and now I just need to finish Chapter 4 to get 100 free pulls. And there's no pity system for that specific banner, so I can only hope I get the characters I want in these 100 pulls (I probably won't, lmao). After getting the one I want, I'll stop because this game is predatory as fuck, but its quality definitely does not make up for it. This game is absolute trash in terms of quality and maledomshit, and the cherry on top is that most of the character sprites have horrendous webtoon-tier anatomy and the shitty Live2D animation makes me cringe every time, so I can't wait to pull the one character I want so I can finally fuck off and uninstall this huge steaming pile of kusoge.
Ah yes. You can leave an opinion on each character card, but the comments are full of gendertards and ironic femdomfags from Reddit and Xitter, the exact kind that are made fun of here. Expect lots of obnoxious "babygirl", "I wanna impregnate him" and "I wanna peg him" jokes with tons of likes. There's this trap/otokonoko character, Paimon, who is voiced by a female voice actor because he is supposed to be impossibly androgynous, but is still very obviously a crossdressing male demon, has a dick (that he penetrates you with) and is always referred to as a "he". His opinion section is full of morons who keep calling him "they", retards who genuinely can't tell what """gender""" he's supposed to be, and spineless cucks who can only say "h-his pronouns are he/him, guys!!1" instead of just calling him a male. Some missions require you to go to a character's comment section and like other people's comments or leave an opinion of your own, which is how you'll sometimes end up seeing these atrocious comments (they're usually at the top).
But here's what the game does right: the coomer designs, the protagonist being a huge pervert who's not afraid of sex, the yume aspect, and the delicious femgaze L-rank card art and voice acting. There's also uncensored dick in these L-rank cards. I wish more otome games had these elements, actually I wish these had been saved for a better game.
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>>2629882I just it watch for Butters
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>>2630207>Even if they look subby in the illustration they can still be dominant in the story.I wish they would spare me "the sub is really the one in control" cope in an otherwise good scene.
No. 2630326
>>2630270Most of them aren't "mean" per se but rather they do some things without asking for your consent first (like touching your ass and boobs as they please, claiming that you belong to them) but the MC loves it because she's a pornsick degenerate and none of this is taken seriously. Some people might not mind but I do find it annoying as fuck when the love interests do whatever they want to you and you're powerless to stop them, and on top of that, you're supposed to like it. They're mean in the sense that they do what they want to you but it's all treated like a joke even though the MC protests from time to time.
She also loves the choking because she's addicted to violent porn. She chokes and slaps them back
sometimes though, and the demons love it, but it's much rarer for her to do it to them, so it's not even balanced out. Leviathan (one of the kings or main devils) is all about this fetish so I avoid his sex scenes. He's also a tsundere retard so he's actually mean to you although it's supposed to be cute (it's not cute if he's still dominant and more powerful than you).
And the maledom sex scenes often emphasize the humiliation aspect (you're the one being humiliated) which I absolutely despise.
>>2630317Beelzebub would be so hot if he was just a slut that let you do anything you want to him. He doesn't moan a lot in the secret club either which only makes it worse and really drives home the fact that he's completely dominant. I hate that faggot like you wouldn't believe.
>>2629954>why did the artist make wendy look like the end result bimbofication fetish art?NTA but this looks like Korean webtoon inspired shit kek
No. 2630347
>>2630326>She chokes and slaps them back sometimes though, and the demons love it, but it's much rarer for her to do it to themI will never forgive the devs for promoting this as a femdom game (with scenes of the guys in bondage) and then it turned out like THAT. Do we need more content of males being violent to women? Nope.
I'm being hopeful about the game Code: bang bang. I hope it doesn't turn out like WIHIB.
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>>2630207TLDR: everyone should believe
nonny and stay away from this kusoge
>the protagonist being a huge pervert who's not afraid of sexIt's funny that I dropped this game mainly because of the mc being like that. I love horny mcs, but I want a normal human being (preferably with prior sex experience) who likes to have sex based on genuine chemistry (closest I can imagine would be a genderbent Eiden) and not some poorly done
femcel self-fulfillment bpdchan who got all her sex knowledge from ddlg porn. This mc neither has a well developed personality to be her own character, and at the same time her cow-tier porn brainrot makes it impossible for me to self insert into her, I can only imagine the women who get posted on /snow/ to unironically see themselves in this type of mc. Her writing is so horrendously bad, I almost got filtered out of the game within 2 minutes of starting it because she was jerking it to maledom porn and going "this is how love is like uwu" while looking at a woman who was being choked to the point of her face turning blue. One moment she's crying over her dead friend's body and the next moment she's like omg satan's hand touched my titty!!! I played the game ever since it came out and finished quite a few chapters, but in the end I ended up hating almost all hscenes because I could not gaslight myself to believe that any of the men actually liked this woman. Not to mention that a lot of the guys either disgusted me or made me laugh with the way their whole character was designed around a fetish (the one who nutted to lightning was hilarious), I didn't watch many sex scenes but I remember only kinda sorta liking Belial's and Mammon's. In the end I think the only things I could enjoy from this game were some L-card art (which I could just view online didn't need to waste my time playing this slop for) and some non-sexual scenes with silly jokes. When >90% of the hscene content makes me dry up like the sahara desert, the game has failed to achieve its intended purpose.
No. 2630383
>>2630347An Asian femdomfag I follow says she's getting WHB vibes from the hot masochistic megane scene, like it's just bait and his dialogue sounds like he's one of those "subs" who in the end just make you do what they want (like he's still in control and isn't actually being dominated if you know what I mean). I hope she's wrong, or at least I hope the other love interests are actually submissive. She doesn't believe they can be, because they're too cool so to speak, but who knows, maybe these writers can actually pull it off. I like cool characters that appear to be dominant but end up submitting to a woman, which literally doesn't exist in Japanese joseimuke media. Thankfully this game is Chinese so my expectations are high.
>>2630354You mean the pirate one? I thought it was maledom as fuck since the illustration is literally of him getting a blowjob from (you). I was disappointed because according to that one anon, the newer sex scenes had been getting more femdom. Maybe she meant the angels only?
The only Beelzebub unit I have is the one where you stop time while 5 kings are putting on their swimsuits, so that's the one I'm basing my opinion of him on. I know there's the nantaimori one (the one where he's tied up). There's also the "tortured" units (where they're all fucked up and bleeding with blades piercing through their bodies) but I still don't know what they're like. Maybe they're better, idk. I don't have the patience to keep playing until I pull something better kek
>>2630362>not some poorly done femcel self-fulfillment bpdchanI don't mind a loser self-insert because this is a yume (self-insert) game, so the protagonist isn't supposed to be a great character or anything, she just has to be relatable and not retarded. But the masochistic shit and the part where she's addicted to misogynistic porn is disgusting. Why is this the only option other than a pure/naive/innocent/retarded maiden like those from Japanese otome? When MC does anything, there are some times where I'm like "hell yeah", but most other times I'm like "what the fuck is this shit" which gets old fast.
The writing in general is terrible, it's not just her. I don't mind a bit of erotic comedy but the story is actually retarded, so retarded and boring (and poorly translated, holy shit) that I kept cringing and lost interest.
>she was jerking it to maledom porn and going "this is how love is like uwu" while looking at a woman who was being choked to the point of her face turning blue.Kek I also screenshot that part because the way it's worded is so unbelievable dumb and fucked up. And we're supposed to believe that misogyny is "love"?
>I ended up hating almost all hscenes because I could not gaslight myself to believe that any of the men actually liked this woman.I don't mind yume shit where all the hot men love (you), that's kind of the point of a fantasy, and to be fair both she and the love interests are written like shit. They're all shit. But the way they keep going on and on about how attracted they are to her started to break my immersion too, and I'm a hardcore yumejo. Everyone in Hell wants her because she's the daughter of their beloved Solomon, which sounds reasonable enough to me, but then there's so many moments where she questions whether they just "love" her because of this or if they actually like her as a person separate from Solomon, and they just go "I like you because you're you" and I can't suspend my disbelief any longer. If the writers hadn't even brought that up, it would've been more believable kek.
>(the one who nutted to lightning was hilarious)KEK, the retard with decapitated teddy bears attached to his body? I didn't know that was his
fetish holy shit. A lot of the characters have these stupid quirks, it's just ridiculous and not hot anymore. Who the fuck finds that arousing? Also a lot of the "fetishes" they represent are so fucking dumb. Are they even fetishes or just character quirks? I found that part of the game cringy, how every character has to have some "philia" assigned to him. Their designs don't even reflect these paraphilias well, most of the time. There's some minor demons (the shitty units) that are ABDLfags, which made me kek. So fucking gross.
And here's another dumb thing about this game's sex scenes. When the text says that the moid is shy or acting in a submissive way, or you're doing something to him, either there's no CG being shown (only his regular sprite so you have to use your imagination) or the CG that is being shown is showing the opposite of that. That pissed me off so much. There can't be actual depictions of malesub in the main story, apparently.
>In the end I think the only things I could enjoy from this game were some L-card art (which I could just view online didn't need to waste my time playing this slop for) and some non-sexual scenes with silly jokes.Yep, like I said in my first post, the few characters I actually like don't even have sex scenes. They're not even lewd, they're more or less normal. On second thought, I'm glad they don't have H scenes because they'd definitely suck ass and ruin the characters for me.
>>2630368I think so. That'd be why it's being advertised as a "game for women" and not an "otome game"
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>>2630383>She doesn't believe they can be, because they're too cool She clearly lacks imagination.
>I like cool characters that appear to be dominant but end up submitting to a womanThat is my fave type too, so hot, and this game looks like it could be full of it. Praying that it doesn't end up as another disappointment.
>>2630368I'm cool with that
since I'm bi as long as the game is for women, with a female mc only and no gendie/yaoi/straight man pandering by adding a male mc too.
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OP on Shitter friendly reminding AO3 users that, to be a proper writer, you must deconstruct yourself and write more f/f, because nothing is more humiliating for the unwoke writer than writing bakudeku buttfucking, because she glorifies her oppressors: shonenslop males.
Meanwhile let's just disregard how a good portion of m/m writing is just disguised hetfic, because no genderflake tiffie tags their surprise vagina on explicit fic.
TLDR; if you don't write Sakura x Tenten from Naruto, you're internalizing your misogyny you icky moidlover.
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>>2630447Personally I enjoy yaoi because I'm straight and thinking of fictional hot guy on hot guy action is hot. When I see yurifags complaining about not as much yuri being made, all I'm seeing are yurifags complaining about more women not being lesbos.
No. 2630455
>>2630451They could… you know…
write their yuri themselves. Has this never occurred to them?
No. 2630458
>>2630457>several warsand who here cares? Everybody, raise your hand if you care.
I'll wait.
No. 2630465
>>2630458i dont mean you
nonny i mean the yuritranny sperging about muh internalized misogyny because women write bakudeku yaoi instead of indulging on this troon's fetishes. If he cared so much about misogyny and social issues he would be volunteering to die in war not shitpost on twitter.
No. 2630487
>>2629852TBF, plenty of normies like anime and that's it. They don't make it their only defining character trait. It's only online where the chronically online latch onto the medium as the only means to feel interesting at the cost of one's individuality. I swear every type of weeb I've met online regruitages the same talking points, have the same favorite animes, and the same batch of waifus/husbandos who only are because said person does it for the clout. None of them care about the source unless proving a head canon as
valid in like one scene or a misquote. In the end, I still like the look of most anime and it's rare to find mature stories that don't involve blood, guts, and sex all the time but the west might be getting there. Time will tell, but the western industry thread proves there's a long road ahead for anyone who isn't a nepo baby or mental ill troon with a EPI fetish.
No. 2630596
>>2630447The worst thing that ever happened to fandom was fujos and ff fans having to share the same space.
>Sakura x TentenSeriously, though, who ships this? I thought Sakura X Ino was all the rage these days.
No. 2630863
>>2630853Everyone does. What point were you hoping to make by making an obvious conclusion?
>>2630858Be Japanese, even.
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>>2629861I feel like if you see a raceswap and immediately think "ragebait" or get mad, that's a literal you problem. Like your in the same category as people who complain about genderswaps.
No. 2630874
>>2630868Difference is horse was originally male, mha bunny girl was always just tanned.
Personally, I just don't expect people who "literally me, literally my culture" on anime to have much to say about the anime as a story with its own characters, themes, and world seperate from them outside powerleveling.
No. 2630929
>>2630906The people complaining about gatekeeping are the exact type that would tbf. Not like they're not being honest about it either
>>2630905 (cant believe I replied to the wrong I dont like anime post)
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>>2630447What gets me is that when I was younger I once wrote a F/F fic and was really excited to make lots of friends through it (kek) but then woke up the next day with literally 99+ hate comments in my askbox because I was apparently terfy. Being a kid who had never received hate comments in her life I was obviously scared of this so I panicked and deleted my tumblr account.
Yurifags aren't yuri fans otherwise they'd write it themselves and encourage others to as well. Instead they just want to harass people because they all have inferiority complexes about being talentless retards, so blaming random people gives them a "high" that they then have to keep chasing, to them being a "Yuri shipper" is the equivalent of being a fandom minority.
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>>2629798A lot of of raceswap art is made by
POC teenagers. The appeal is to reimagine a character, it's just an au. I wouldn't consider raceswap art like picrel intentionally malicious, usually I assume some black kid just wanted to draw their favorite characters like themselves
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>>2631049>>2631036They wouldn't have survived the Rapunzel edit era. Literally inescapable browsing the internet back then.