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Share tips, local updates, vent about people coughing on each other, etc
Some twitter account with a lot of Corona related updates: https://twitter.com/bnodesk
Torrent for Survival PDFs in case you want to go full doomer mode: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9889a43717fd93c95993552f817ced652a74e63e&dn=Survival%20Guide%20PDFs%20%5B8.1.2019%20Update%5D
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Here’s to not acting like hysterical women in this thread. Try to not be a bitch and try to not race-sperg.
she is still causing issues in the other thread. i was defending
her originally, but she's getting so defensive about basically nothing. she was really snarky to someone pointing out that not many people experience site lag when threads are full, they didn't even know it was her. i've worked with that kind of person before, and she is probably a current/former druggie.
Do you guys think it's true that the virus does badly in warmer climates? I'm considering if I should move closer to the equator line. >>527875
Lmao anon, calm down.
I've noticed this too. People are still standing obnoxiously close in supermarkets, no one is cleaning the shopping carts, no one is using gloves, etc.
My job has barely changed anything, and absolutely no one is working 6 feet apart (small office). I watched two different people sneeze into their hands and continue working. I don't see how this is going to improve without a mandatory shutdown.
I think people will talk about this event as milestone in history; aka "before coronavirus" and "after coronavirus">>527922
I started prepping back in January, but my anxiety got worse and worse as our local cases grew and my bosses had no inclination to change how we're doing anything.
It's wrong, but a part of me is glad the Governor Newsom shut down all of SF bay area allowing me to work from home (Not that anyone is following the quarantine)
Apologies for saying something that appeared to be attacking you.
I replied to snark with snark.
Not a druggie. I have OCPD.
I'll not reply to any further attacks or bait.
Younger Adults Comprise Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.
New C.D.C. data showed that nearly 40 percent of patients sick enough to be hospitalized were aged 20 to 54. But the risk of dying was significantly higher in older people.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/health/coronavirus-young-people.htmlhttp://archive.is/BiGYM
A person's blood type could affect how vulnerable they are to developing COVID-19—the disease caused by the new coronavirus—scientists believe.
>study from Chinahttps://www.newsweek.com/blood-type-coronavirus-covid-19-1492890?amp=1
Me too I mean
Longer threads get laggy on mobile for me too.>>527873>acting like hysterical women
Ok fellow sister.
For any anon who wants to channel all their negative feelings into something, please consider helping people by joining brand new covid project communities. They are just springing up. This is relevant to 3D printer anons especially:https://hackaday.com/2020/03/12/ultimate-medical-hackathon-how-fast-can-we-design-and-deploy-an-open-source-ventilator/
There is simply not enough medical equipment and the manufacturers are being slow and shitty, so people people are starting to look into 3D printing to help. There's already been two people that have successfully 3D printed $11,000 valves for only $1:https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184308/coronavirus-italy-medical-3d-print-valves-treatments
A new community that helps with Covid problems. See if your skills can be useful there!https://www.reddit.com/r/COVIDProjects/
Anon you need to get away from your stepdad asap. Those reactions are not normal and from your previous posts he sounds toxic
and maybe emotionally abusive
Last I heard the only place this hasn't been detected is Antarctica. >>527988
No because there's weed where I am. Not joking. Sorry to hear about your situation anon. Hope your fam will learn to relax a little and put things into perspective/stop chimping out.
But it is similar to 9/11 in that we're all being lied to. Human society is a house of cards, I don't know why people were expecting something different. Here's hoping something better will be built on the ashes.
Bioweapons labs, wet markets, for profit "medicine", wealth disparity ("The world’s 2,153 billionaires have more wealth than the 4.6 billion people who make up 60 percent of the planet’s population") https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/worlds-billionaires-have-more-wealth-46-billion-people
These problems aren't new. There are a lot of aspects of human society (not just looking at the Chinese) that need to change, an overhaul if we want to survive and thrive, if we want a future for our children and grandchildren. What's going on right now should be a wakeup call for everyone. I want something better than this for future generations.
Italian town's experiment leads to no new coronavirus cases in almost a week
Vò, a town of 3,300 just outside Venice, was part of an experiment that involved aggressive testing and quarantine measures. Every single resident was tested for coronavirus in late February when Northern Italy was first rocked by the outbreak, and three percent of inhabitants were found to be carrying the virus.
Anyone who tested positive was placed under quarantine, as were individuals that came into recent contact with the infected. The town's residents were then tested again 10 days later, and just .3 percent of the population was found to be carrying the virus. However, at least six infected individuals were asymptomatic and would not have been tested in most other countries.https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Italian-town-experiment-coronavirus-testing-Vo-15141033.php
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If anyone cares some more of my Walgreens ranting. Everyone is proud that our president shook hands with trump amd said we would offer testing in our parking lots however they are not imposing any capacity limits or contact limits. We were told today to pit painters tape across the floors today yto mark ever 6 feet so customers can practice social distancing however if you go to the pharmacy (outside of drivetheu) or checkout anywhere, you are less than two feet from the pharmacist and cashiers so what good does any of this do? Lile o treat my team like my own children so if they want to self quarantine I'll support them without questions but I'm personally fucked in the grand scheme because I take pride I'm my job and want to make sure patients get their meds and shit
Anyway if yours a convict come work for Walgreens for $10 an hour we dont care
Also sorry for ranting like I know I should be happy my job is perfected during this time but I know my health ismt so I'm pissed amd telling
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Thanks for the reply. I got the run around when I called the toll free number (they even tried to blame EBT), but I persisted and started using the words "fraud" and said "I reported this issue to my local welfare office; perhaps I should contact the feds?" and was told Walgreens had opened an investigation. I didn't even notice the issue for a long time until one day I had like $5 in coupons off non-food and the balance owed after paying for SNAP items was $5 over what it should have been. More recently I was charged $0.06 in tax on a SNAP eligible purchase. Um, 0 x anything is 0.
I would transfer my Rx to CVS (I already get one inhaler filled there since Walgreens is frequently out of stock) but the walk home from the closest one is uphill. It's already a small store and they barely keep the shelves stocked due to constant theft which is a PITA but prevents me from making impulse purchases.>>528061
Thanks for being such a conscientious manager. Min wage employees generally lack the training to know when corp is putting them in danger.
An example of how bad crime is in SF and how corp is endangering employees and customers: In January the security guard was attacked by a group of thieves who used his head to batter open the plastic security cabinets. I was checking out while the staff were calling 911 because the group was verbally harassing him. Just as I grabbed my receipt from the register they attacked. I exited the check out and saw him lying in a quickly enlarging pool of blood while the employees all stood around like deer in headlights. I have first aid and OSHA bloodborne pathogen training from previous jobs in the medical field, no open wounds on my hands and no fear so I rushed to him and stopped the arterial bleed with my bare hands and assessed his condition while we waited a long minute for EMS. I have never been so covered in blood, mine or someone else's.
When I returned to the store a couple weeks later they were locking the roll down security gates while customers were in the store in violation of fire code and not allowing in customers who looked "sketchy". The manager straight up boasted with a laugh that they knew that they were violating fire code and gave no shits. The "security guards" they have since the incident are baby faced teens.
I'm flattered that you're so obsessed with me that you eagerly waited for me to awaken from my 2-hour boomer nap to troll me again!
What a scary situation to be in. I've seen videos of people shoplifting amd mugging customers, while Walg employees video tape amd stand back
Unfortunately die to issues in Chicago there was a lot of racial profiling and lawsuits so Wag made is all go to bias training and threaten out jobs. Essentially in medical emergencies the pharmacist can help as they deem fit, but there are asterisks in said policy that say no touching. A cashier can be stabbed in the gut, bit if they try to slap a knife put of someone's hands they get fired no questions asked. Unfortunately a lot of this was put into place for a lot of kids being tough guys and trying to fight in some of the crazier cities but the fear that your job is on the line can really cause people to act helpless
To add to your snap concerns I have seen some crazy bad coding in out register systems. If a wine beer or alcohol is on a markdown price it will be tax free and pay for the whole thing soo a lot of smart people abuse it for "free" booze. Our tech is really from the 70s ap thinking a lot of it gets overlooked!
Also sorry anons I forgot to sage my last post forgive me!
I assume pharmacists have first aid training and all the rest comparable to an LPN but are unable to leave the pharmacy unattended while the store is being ransacked.
Oh, and the day they were violating fire code? As I was standing outside trying to read the store hours sign to see if they reduced their hours as it was just after 6pm a group of 4 SFPD officers exited the store which required an employee roll up the gate, so the police were complicit. I was planning to bypass reporting the incident to anyone in the govt and go to the media but they stopped rolling down both gates.
Dunno what happened to the battered security guard or if the robbers were caught. This shit happens in SF so frequently it didn't even make the news.https://spotcrime.com/mobile/crime/?136451161-31613877f6957340da8b907cf3ff29dehttps://spotcrime.com/mobile/crime/?136451157-a40e4066db8ca3cfd589db5ce99af465
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stop spreading bullshit anon please
Hello fellow Walgang anon >>528074>I've seen videos of people shoplifting amd mugging customers, while Walg employees video tape amd stand back
That’s because Walgreens policy is to not engage with shoplifters. There was a training class last year that specifically told emoloyees that we’re not allowed to profile anyone suspicious who walks into the store or accuse them of shoplifting. We can politely offer them a basket to put their stuff in or stare at them until they leave with all their pillages in a carriage.
This explains why my DM was looking for “extra” shift leads before they went on vacation. They need enough available SFLs once everyone starts dropping from COVID-19, or when the ones with common sense quit. This company (and CVS too from the sound of it) took absolutely no precautions to protect their employees whatsoever.
The email about limiting sanitizer/mask/glove purchases was the icing on the cake - we ran out of those weeks before they even asked for that!
I agree with the other replies, those responses are not normal..I hope you know how to deal with that kind of stuff with him, stay safe.
No aggression from men in my life yet, but yesterday my boyfriend had what sounded like a nervous breakdown while he was working from home. It was extremely bizarre as he typically is very level-headed and able to describe his feelings, but he was acting like a different person. His roommate is acting quite moody too…I wonder if men are just worse at handling stress?
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all the young healthy people should just intentionally get corona at the same time, take two weeks in quarantine to recover, bam herd immunity. i just solved the world's problem from my bedroom. you're welcome. i accept credit card.
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Italy did this gradually and it was a mistake because they could have banned gatherings and closed pubs and bars starting on February 22 after 70 confirmed cases were reported, instead of thinking "people will do the right thing", then seeing that people were gathering anyway in bars and discos, and having to start locking down things on March 8.
People tend to underestimate these problems.
Americans still feel like Italy and China are far away and things won't affect them.
But they'll have to lock down bars, pubs, discos just like it happened in Italy. Better do that now, rather than waiting at the beginning of April.
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Would that actually work?
Thank you, anon. It makes me feel better reading that. I feel borderline abusive
asking him not to see his family and I know if I push it he'll throw that in my face at a later date.
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Pandemics: avoiding the mistakes of 1918
Published: 20 May 2009
As bodies piled up, the United States' response to the 'Spanish flu' was to tell the public that there was no cause for alarm. The authority figures who glossed over the truth lost their credibility, says John M. Barry.https://www.nature.com/articles/459324a?draft=collection
People reading my FB, are wishing and my Mother well MLM " Hunbots" are trying to get me yo join their illegal scheme. I went om one " private invitation and some Mothers were using the laughing emoji when references those that declined their scams. It is despicable, I had one MLM hun who said I am sorry about your mother hun I don't usually do this, but I can make sure your mum gets in top of the que for out all natural healing shakes. WTF is wrong with these people. My mother is being fed IV. after that she will be on the liverpool system, where doctors do not intervene , so there is no acts of commison, but they are allowed ommision.
When you have the Covid you do not feel hungry.
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gina should have researched better instead of an opinion piece.
I think its gong to kill a lot of things anon
and im not being crude and referencing humans, i just mean culturally. I think this is gonna be a turning point for capitalism and human tolerance. I expect to see a surge of union formations, protests, boycotting etc. Buckle up.
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The advisory would instruct all Americans abroad to either return to the United States or prepare to shelter in place, given the global threat of the coronavirus outbreak. Americans also would be instructed not to travel abroad.https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/03/19/coronavirus-travel-advisory-level-four-137227
By being a poor shithole with not enough test kits and hospitals.
Poor people don't even use toilets there, I'm pretty sure they also don't go to doctors.
there's a video going around of 4 indian men literally bathing in cow shit, thinking it'll somehow clean them (despite everyone screeching into each other's faces to stay as clean as possible)
i bet they have many more cases than that
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Here is a pic that shows some of the 70 (!) military trucks carrying corpses from Bergamo to nearby crematoria bc the town is running out of place to bury or burn them. https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1240414011608444929>>528330>>528332
remember when I heard about the very first cases of the virus and they said something about 300 cases, then somebody commented with "If china says 300, the truth is probably 3,000 and more". They will just stop reporting and pretend everything is ok again.
I doubt they believe a word of the bullshit coming from China but are agreeing/choosing to try to keep a lid on panic.
Italy is the real model of what's going to happen and nobody should be surprised that they 'apparently' have more deaths than the lying cunts in China.
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I'm scared guys
people are freaking out because they're having the option of going outside taken away
i think many people would prefer to stay inside out of their own will versus the government forcing it upon them
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I think both good things and bad things will come out of this. I think we'll see the world for what it really is. Finally understanding that a lot of things are worthless, like the value of a peice of paper. cause the govt can just make a machine to shit out a trillion more. We'll have more initiative to better our lives and that we can start heading towards healthier directions of the world. Not every country will follow suit, but this is a wake up call for everyone to at least have a good cause to believe in. The worst thing about it is that a lot of people will suffer, but I know people will do their part to end the suffering. My heart goes out to those who have lost their jobs, are immunocompromised and are losing loved ones. It looks bleak and it's okay to be scared. Talking and venting is essential to coping with it. It's okay to be sad and angry too. Noone is expecting anyone to handle it well. Not even therapists.
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Deaths in Italy surpassed China's (supposedly…)
I took this screenshot on Saturday, here are the new numbers in comparison https://youtu.be/qgylp3Td1Bw>Italy: +20.000 infected, +2.000 dead>China: -46 infected, +56 dead
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>Still working job 40 hrs/week because we deliver medical supplies among other things
>Scared I might be cut from job instead of given option to telework due to performance
>Seeing all these people come online and whine about social distancing when that has been my DAY TO DAY LIFE FOR ROUGHLY EIGHT YEARS NOW is not helping my mental state
>This shit is supposed to last for /months/ and everything I was hoping to see released is cancelled or delayed.
>Both parents are 60+, on top of that
Everything about this plague situation is terrible and I hate it.
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So i had an allergic reaction last week and know i'm having these random allergic attacks similar to an asthma even though i have never suffered from it or been asmathic, i'm at risk? My chest hurts a lot but it won't go away no matter how many anti-allergics i take. I have approx 1 week left to get over this until Corona potentially catching me. Please answer i don't want to die, any tip or advice is welcome.
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>hundreds of cosplayers met up in a park
Weebs will be the death of us.
It's just a flu sis
Everything will be well sis
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any other amerifats fucking pissed at the lackadaisical response from our government? apparently young people here need hospitalization at higher rates than in other countries. which means obese zoomers raised on a steady diet of hot pockets, diet coke and poptarts are going to strain our resources and possibly take beds away from the sick/elderly. not to mention we're not even testing?? at all??? i know i'm just shouting into the void here but goddamn, america is so fucked it's not even funny.
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Why the fuck is produce being cleared out??? Are people retarded? Yall never even eat no damn vegetables, it will all go in the bin in a week while you eat your mac n cheese. I’m just trying to get some cabbage man.
America never ceases to amaze me
Heard you guys are gonna get given the vaccine before it's ready too
I don't get why people are shitting on joggers rn. If you're just going out for a run, I don't see how you could spread/catch the virus. It's not like you interact with other people while jogging. It seems like a good idea to get exercise so you can keep your immune system up rn.
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I wish people would stop hoarding all the damn eggs
The problem arises because many people are going out for a run.
Same goes for peoeple going out for a walk.
On plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one and Milan's Naviglio Martesana is full of people who are not helping contain the infectious agent.
It may work for small towns but it doesn't work in big cities.
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Here are some hard stats for you, anon.https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/19/upshot/coronavirus-jobless-claims-states.htmlhttp://archive.is/DXs5d>>528480
No gloves, not even the cheapo poly food service gloves?>>528489
If you're locality is under mandatory shelter in place etc and you feel your employer is in violation, report it to your Dept of Public Health and state OSHA office.
Change for the better or for the worse (while subjective one hopes most people can agree on, in the least, basic human rights being preserved, but tribalism) or any change at all?
I really hope it makes at least some people actively do something about the way we live. Even if it means just taking themselves out of it.
I think the recession will be bad, but I doubt it will change the structure of society much.
I also hope they stop having borders open fucking constantly so diseases (of all kinds) spread and mutate worldwide like a fucking free for all, but alas, money is far too important.
It's also funny to see how dependant our society is on consuming shit, I hope people realise how little they truly need to live happily
Mainly that as humans, we have lived through much, much harder things and come out the other side.
It's very normal to feel detached from reality though, it's all so uncertain and has happened so fast. At least we are all in this together, not that it helps much in some ways, but at least we aren't alone.
So I know this will make me sound kookydooks, but I actually had a near death experience a few weeks ago, before corona came to my country, and ever since then my life has felt vague and odd like a dream. Then, when corona hit, came to my county, and started affecting my life my heart sank. It was like that sudden turn of tone in dreams when some real bad shit starts to happen and you just get that anxious feeling.
It all feels very purgatorial. So many people have died and are going to die.
this. I was expressing this to my bf, that we're on a strange timeline. feels like 1Q84 and I'm trippin hard
the scariest thing is seeing the boomers react. the strange panic some places, the lack of panic others.
>>528529>So many people have died and are going to die
I mean, in a global population of 7.77 billion, there's been 245,532 COVID-19 cases. That's only 0.003% of the world's population. Out of that 0.003%, just 10,048 have died, meaning on average only 4% of the people who get COVID-19 actually die from it. Keep in mind, this is over the span of four months.
In these four months, less people have died globally
than people who die every winter from the standard flu in the US alone
- and the standard flu has medication and vaccines made for it.
Media exaggeration and sensationalizing of COVID-19 is taking an extremely fatalistic approach to the situation, and wants every regular citizen to as well, even when a majority of people who have COVID-19 are being properly and successfully treated. I think a lot of people are forgetting this.
Of course there will inevitably be more cases than there are currently, and there's always the group of people who've just become infected or are infected and are asymptomatic. The point is that both the number of those already proven to be infected and the number of ~potential~ unreported cases (question; if a case is unreported, how do they know it exists? what standards are they using to estimate the number of unreported cases, if they're unreported?) is being shown in a light which makes the virus look far more common and widespread than it actually is. The media is focusing on certain numbers - for example, focusing on the number of deaths while ignoring the number of those who've successfully recovered, which is the majority of those who get infected - to construe a narrative based on fear-mongering.
I live in the US and many of my family members work in the health department. A health worker in my town got infected just a few days ago and tested positive. There's a problem here with people being given test kits for practically any symptom of anything, virus-related or not, which is causing us to have a shortage of kits. The media has caused people to think if someone has literally any sensation out of the ordinary, such as a bit of snot, the sniffles, a sore throat, any kind of common winter illness symptoms, they must definitely
have COVID-19, because it's allegedly everywhere and inescapable. The panic alone, caused by media outlets, has weighed terribly on healthcare systems around the globe.
It is dangerous, and we don't know much about this specific
kind of coronavirus, however we do know about other kinds of coronavirus (like SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which had their pandemics respectively in 2002 and 2012) and how they tend to function. COVID-19 is actually classified as SARS-CoV-2 (link below for evidence.) In the four months that COVID-19 has been known we've already discovered a lot about how it functions, developed test kits, and have used many different kids of medications and proto-vaccines to treat it, some of which are working with almost 100% accuracy on infected patients.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
How do we know these stats are even accurate when the test itself yields false positives >>525497
? Any false positives should render the resulting data worthless. They THINK x amount of people MIGHT have died from the virus, but there's no way to know for sure what they've actually died from.
I miss being able to just look at other women. I recently came out and I've been spoiled by being able to put myself out there- I feel so strangely cold without a girlfriend in my bed now.
It's only been like two weeks since I've stopped going out. I've lost immunity to femceldom, please send help>>528551
The transmissibility is going to be BAD. People are taking this as an opportunity to have end-of-the-world/pre-quarantine parties en masse. All that on top of shit not closing down hard enough and people still pursuing "essential" activities outdoors instead of being literally forced to stay put is going to make this so ugly.
i personally cant imagine thinking about sex right now
but it is common for people to have sex when quarantined during a crisis i guess, and if people dont have access to their methods of birth control or whatever, im sure it will lead to a "boom" so to speak
just depends on how much of society survives this
People on twitter were completely believing the Oprah arrest stuff and not questioning it or calling it fake so I definitely think it’s about to crumble. I wish we could scrub the parents who put being internet famous into their kids heads though. (The whole tiktok teen dancing shit that’s popular right now) It really needs to stop, the powerful and rich people are in power and rich largely at others’ expense.
I know this person who is an absolute celebrity worshipper even for any d list celebrity she meets at a con gets them tattooed on her body etc. believes they are better and nicer than like all people in the world. Shit needs to END I’m so tired of it.
FROM WHAT I SAW EARLIER TODAY
Based on 2018 tax return info (can use 2019). It's now a one-time payment up to $1,200 and phased out at a certain income. Funny thing is it says if you have little or no income tax liability and make qualified income of 2,500, then it might only be $600 per person. Not sure about all those details but I'll be pissed if I only get $600 and some middle-class people making 70k get the full amount.
Anyway, this is definitely not a lot at all so maybe the amounts will be negotiated as time passes.
>>528604> one-time payment
how did they go from a plan to do a monthly 1-2k stipend, to a one time only payment of 600?
Taken straight from the proposal…
“(a) In General.—
In the case of an eligible individual, there shall be allowed as a credit against the tax imposed by subtitle A for the first taxable year beginning in 2020 an amount equal to the lesser of
“(1) net income tax liability, or
“(2) $1,200 ($2,400 in the case of a joint
“(b) Special Rules.—
“(A) the amount determined under subsection (a) shall not be less than $600 ($1,200 in the case of a joint return)
So because I'm poor and get a tax refund I only get half of the amount. Makes no sense at all but I guess the corporate bailouts are more important than the lives of struggling humans.
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I feel so bad for my mom right now. She's a RN at a level 2 trauma center hospital in southern California and it's starting to become a shit show there. Not enough gloves or masks. Nurses having panic attacks as people suddenly test positive in the ICU/CCU. Doctors aren't even going into patient's rooms on her floor because they're scared, they're writing fake notes saying they've inspected patients and hiding in other parts of the hospital where they won't be bothered. Nurses, CNAs, and other staff are just walking out. Just this week they FINALLy set up a quarantine tent to test people before sending them in the hospital. Who knows how many other people who are positive have slipped through the cracks? They're going to start running out of beds and equipment fast. This is one of the two level 2 trauma centers in the area… I'm honestly trying to get her to not come into work anymore. She's a primary caregiver for our grandmother who has terminal liver cancer… If they aren't going to offer her the proper protection and safety why should she go back..m
because our existence is more resource intensive than anyone wants to admit. ignoring consumerism and capitalist mismanagement or whatever people claim to ignore the larger problem at hand, so much medical waste is created that needs to be safely handled and disposed of properly to avoid reinfection and spread, so much more is needed to care for people. communities can't be as crowded as they are because of the simple fact that disease spreads much quicker, and much easier. there's a lot of medical need for this many people and people (and consequently, governments) are deluded and insist on denying how resource intensive a healthy and safe existence is, just for one person, let alone as many as there are on the planet. plus, a lot of people just don't give a shit about their welfare. there are just too many people in general and no one wants to admit it. if they at least admitted how resource intensive it is to have this many people, we'd be better prepared though. and obviously it becomes more difficult to contain disease when you have more and more potential vectors and flying, taking a cruise, etc, is so easy and accessible.
why would they store machines when they are required daily? you do realize that not everyone is young and healthy like you are, a lot of countries have aging populations, and other people have preexisting conditions that require them to go ICU apart from the pandemic of a century.
also capitalism. there's a reason why the OG manufacturers of those respirators that are getting so much press are suing over this. the government doesn't have enough money in their budget to prepare for something like this, their budget is already stretched thin thanks to all the money that goes into military funding (US) and social welfare(UK and AU) . it's not very real for the western world because they only had to deal with the H1N1 which isn't anything like this. Even for the better prepared Asian countries, it's not even their medical system that is massive leagues ahead of ours, it's because for their people, the reality of SARS is still very fresh in their mind. it also helps that their governments are very autocratic and aren't scared of infringing upon human rights (looking at you netherlands…)
there are already national stockpiles that are in the process of being released for medical equipment but once that runs out, we will be doubly fucked because of the drongos who stockpiled supplies just to make a profit.
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>"We will have social pressure that will encourage people to do the right thing,"
tf is that supposed to mean? Will they have drones following you around like they do in China, or will the cops just glare at you really hard?
probably because so many people travel internationally and it would have been hard to get everyone to their native countries
there are still people trapped in countries because they were there for work or school etc
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I don't know where Reuters is getting their stats from but I thought this article (pic related) was interesting: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.agenzianova.com%2Fa%2F5e6bcf1da7fbe3.23491954%2F2851060%2F2020-03-13%2Fcoronavirus-iss-in-italia-i-decessi-accertati-finora-per-causa-del-covid-19-sono-solo-due
>Brusaferro was unable to indicate the exact number of coronavirus deaths.
The President of Italy's Higher Institute of Health, Silvio Brusaferro, as of March 13th 2020 said there are only TWO confirmed
deaths in Italy from Covid-19. Any Italy anons have any hard data to add to that?
It's already been said many times but some people still aren't getting it apparently: What's used to test for covid has shown to be unreliable, making the results of the test incredibly dubious. How the hell do you treat something when it can't even be properly diagnosed? Real medicine doesn't work that way.>>528674
Immune-compromised and those with severe preexisting conditions appear to be the most vulnerable group - the same holds true for basically any flu strain.
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my mom has a slight fever…99.3 and she's been coughing somewhat but she went to the emergency room a couple days ago and her temperature was normal before but said that she was ok and didn't need to be tested and it was a normal cold. now i have two thermometers and they;re kind of old but both of them are reading between 99.2-99.4. she recently had her root canal redone halp so idk if the temperature change is from that or if she's possibly covid-19 affected/or has a flu but im taking her to the hospital tomorrow
I don't know what media you're referring to but MSM has been fueling fear and panic, hence empty store shelves and people punching each other over toilet paper.
Why would the President of Italy's Higher Institute of Health say there are ONLY TWO confirmed covid deaths in that country so far >>528674
is from March, not January. Learn to read.
LOL. If you actually read the article >>528674
you'd have known that it was published in March. What you link to has zero relation.
NTA but like 20-30% of the Corona deaths in Italy had cancerous tumors and the rest of them had other serious health issues brought on by age because most of them were 80+. Again, you're absolutely not going to die simply of Corona if you're a healthy 20-40 year old unless you're morbidly obese, a diabetic and an asthmatic all at once and even then you still most likely won't die, you'll just have a really nasty pneumonia. >>528188
This but unironically. I'm sick and tired of everything being shut down just because old coots with their other foot in the grave already get 6 months of extra time.
>>528712>potentially irreversible lung damage
Not this meme again
How the fuck can you say it's "irreversible" when the recovered cases have been under study for barely a month? If you suffer a bad bout of pneumonia of course your lungs will take time to recover but it doesn't mean it's "irreversible". I've had lowered lung capacity due to pneumonia and it took me around 2 months to make a full recovery.
>>528712>irreversible lung damage
That's speculation. Where's the evidence to prove that assertion? They can't even test for covid properly! lol. Last I read, China's testing for Covid using CT scans ONLY. People are running around treating symptoms
and not the cause
, which is largely the hallmark of western medicine.
The only problem I have with this >>528188
is that the youngs would need mandatory isolation from the olds until they're no longer infectious. Unlike some people I like my elders, most of the time.
not about the dumb "50% fibrosis" meme. love how i specifically put "potentially irreversible" and you still insist on being dishonest by leaving out "potentially". lowered lung capacity isn't necessarily fibrosis, retard. pulmonary fibrosis doesn't resolve itself and respiratory illness can cause it. there's literally no reason to downplay its ability to cause damage given that we don't know enough yet. better to err on the side of caution if you're over here insisting that it's a good idea for people to catch it purposefully. damage doesn't necessarily mean you'll die, but who the fuck wants to gamble with their health and be left with complications?>>528714
yes, the totally smart thing to do is to assume people definitely won't develop scarring or any complications from a disease we don't know all that much about (though it's seemingly not often lethal in otherwise healthy patients).
>“Some patients might have around a drop of 20 to 30 per cent in lung function [after recovery].” Tsang, who also heads an authority task force on the clinical management of infection, said these patients would undergo tests to determine how much lung function they still had. Physiotherapy would also be arranged to strengthen their lungs.
>A review of lung scans of nine infected patients at Princess Margaret found patterns similar to frosted glass in all of them, suggesting there was organ damage. But Tsang said the long-term effect on recovered patients, such as whether they would develop pulmonary fibrosis, a condition where lung tissue hardened and the organ could not function properly, had yet to be ascertained.https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3074988/coronavirus-some-recovered-patients-may-havehttps://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3
>Alwalid and his colleagues have been assessing CT lung scans of people in Wuhan who have caught the virus. In the first week of infection, before symptoms start to show, signs of inflammation become apparent in the lungs. This spreads from one site in one lung to multiple areas of both lungs in the first few weeks of becoming infected, before it starts to improve. “We found some fibrosis [scarring] in the lungs, but we don’t know if that is reversible,” he says. “Is it something that will resolve, or will it stay in the lungs? And what might the consequences be?”https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235847-coronavirus-what-are-the-worst-symptoms-and-how-deadly-is-covid-19/
it makes no sense to play around with the risk when doctors are saying there is potential for damage that may or may not be reversible.
>>528779>drains on society
Watching people who think like this get old is both hilarious and pathetic.
Hope you don’t live long enough to see yourself become the villain, anon.
i believe boomer is used for someone who is BORN after a major crisis like ww2 right?
so our babies would be the new boomers, kek
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Tbh I don't think "let the boomers die" is a viable solution. But they should be put in quarantine instead of forcing the entrie system to stop. I work in a bank and 60% of ppl in my department are going to get fired over this according to our boss. And we don't even have any Corona cases in my city. Yet he (a 65yo boomer) refuses to step down and still comes to work every day. My parents are older, but they are also completely healthy and on paid leave rn (gov workers). That's how it should be, boomers should just stay inside and stop going to markets every damn day.>>528781
See the graph. I don't think it's THAT high.
or not drinking/eating enough
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>>528652>The whole country is deserted as everyone is enjoying their time in self-quarantine
Not in Turku, anon
For non-finns, pic says "Finns in normal conditions" and "Finns in a pandemic">>528652
but how ? how can they still get +5000 people infected/day when they are all under quarantine now, i get it some people still go out despite that fact but there can't be that many people outside ? and the risk of getting infected would be lower anyway as most people don't go outside?
sure the incubation period can be long and maybe that's it but according to the internet it's typically 5-6 days before the first symproms or something, sure some of them must infect their family/whoever they're confined with but no, i dont get it
sorry if whati wrote doesn't make any sense but i cant really rationnalize what's happening there
The general population of boomers isn't the reason people are having less kids tbh
Keeping people alive where possible is reasonable, but it can go too far, you're correct. However, who the fuck decides when it's time to stop providing someone treatment because of their age
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>>528893>there can't be that many people outside ?
Big cities like Milan are full of people who are still going out for walking and jogging.
About 40% of the people in Milan were found out to be moving around in the city just today.
I'd expect to see similar numbers for cities like London, Paris, New York, and San Francisco.
It's hard to keep people level-headed about the actual problem, which is the severe overloading of hospitals and the need to flatten the infection curve and mortality rate.
>>528893>how can they still get +5000 people infected/day
People from the South of Italy, which were working in northern cities like Milan, Cremona, and Brescia, came back to their hometowns in the South (Naples and the region of Campania).
In fact, the infection spike in Campania is now expected to be extreme around the first days of April.
The boomers made the job standards insane because they have so much experience and it barely allows most people in their 20s to even get a chance, they won't even retire from the job market and even fast food restaurants are run by boomers, which is why young people cannot get decent jobs anywhere. Overpopulation ruined the price of living and inflation so it's impossible for people to even move out, get married and have kids. They are most of the population. They made is impossible to get married and have babies because they jacked up prices on everything and then just gave it to the younger people expecting us to clean up the shit factory they left for us
They refuse to take care of the environment, they leave messes everywhere, a lot of them have this weird thing with shitting and pissing places that they aren't meant to shit in, they drive horribly and get away with everything, they're given jobs they can't do right and just drain the tax payers and scream their damn heads off anytime a younger person dare wants help. Let nature take in and let the boomers die, the world will thank you
This. Boomer parents are the absolute worse, abusive
, can't even admit to the effects of the abuse on their children, fucked up the job market and basic human care like medical care
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My local markets are all running out of rice and beans, it's awful. I've never seen the markets so jam packed either.
I went out to get some stuff for my mom earlier and was horrified to witness an older woman lick her fingers to open those plastic baggies for vegetables. I understand those things are slippery but Jesus Christ people don't touch shit then stick your fingers in your mouth. Not just because of the virus but god knows what else you've been touching.
Partially, but young rich people are just playing the game that boomers set up. Even less well off boomers are for this shit and hateful of younger gens. The fact that corona virus is getting this out of hand and becoming a threat to them is their own damn fault. If they weren’t mostly complete retards, it wouldn’t get this far.
Maybe if boomers weren’t such selfish assholes who hate everyone and destroyed the country and planet then everyone wouldn’t hate boomers?
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A very minor thing that's bothering me is how porn is now being advertised as an "immune system booster" and a way to spend time in quarantine. This is literally promoting porn addiction.
Read an equally depressing article today about how quarantine situations make domestic violence rates shoot up and how services are ready for an influx of abuse victims
likely seek out help after quarantine is lifted
>>528976>have curfews and have to deal with their parents abuse because nobody is able to move out.
Well I don't know any 25+ year olds with home situations like that, most still live at home because it's a good way to save money for a deposit on a house. If they moved out, they could afford rent but wouldn't save anything. Whose anecdotal evidence wins between you and me?
I'm sure there are lots of people who want to move out but just can't afford it, and some parents might be terrible people, but that doesn't automatically mean all parents are abusive
or controlling with their grown kids. They're already doing them a favour by alleviating some financial pressure, on the other hand parents who kick their kids out when they're still young and not ready are 100% assholes.
yeah this triggered
a bulimia relapse for me sad to say. my advice is to omad for a while, youre not moving anyway. get gum and (maybe decaffinated) instant coffee.
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I just vented about this today. I usually eat secretly but now that I'm with my family 24/7 I can't do that and as a result, feel more cravings than ever. I ate as much as possible during normal meals the past couple days but still feel super stressed because I can't binge like I used to. I don't wanna go shopping every day to not risk infection but of course I also don't want to (or rather I can't) eat what we prepped.
, just prep in your room and eat that. i recommend bags of oatmeal and a huge bowl of bootleg nutella, it lasts forever and isnt expensive. discount sweets, stuff like that. might not get your hands on oatmeal anymore now that i think about it.
>>528729>the totally smart thing to do is to assume people definitely won't develop scarring
nta. You missed the point though. How can you treat something if you don't pinpoint the cause? The Chinese are using CT scans, that's looking at symptoms only, not the cause.
What other countries are using to test for Covid (PCR) is unreliable, it's shown false positives.
I’m working at Whole Foods in a metro area in Massachusetts where there’s some of the most infections. Whole Foods is doing pretty much nothing to keep workers safe lol, it’s mainly about making the customer think they’re safe. Not sure if it’s all stores, but mine has started imposing limits on milk, beef, butter, eggs, potatoes, and I think some other things. If I have to deal with another old person bitching because they can’t buy 15 gallons of milk I’ll lose it. Also, if you guys are gonna be hoarding food and buying 1k worth of groceries, please bring reusable bags? The paper bags we use are absolute garbage and rip so easily. Or even better, bag the groceries yourself if you don’t want us touching all your food. This pandemic thing is making people crazy, you can see the fear in a lot of customers eyes, especially the ones who you see wearing masks and gloves and whatnot. Oh and anons, if you’re going to be hoarding and stocking up, don’t buy 50 pounds of perishable fruits that are gonna go bad in a week?? God I don’t get paid enough to be risking death and infecting my sick elderly mom for these dumb customers.
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>laid off job
>probably exposed to corona-chan since half of my idiot office was working sick
>try to file unemployment but website is overloaded
>older, at-risk family members all harp about conspiracy and how it's all overblown and keep going outside
>country is probably heading for a recession at best
How to not go insane right now?
Not surprising. I've been seeing posts on both 4chan and reddit for weeks saying insert random fake internet doctor here
said that masturbation protects you from the virus!!!11
>>528902Where's the evidence?
No one knows enough about this to make such a determination.
I see speculation all over the news, online, people creating numbers out of thin air. A lot what's going on doesn't make sense to a lot of people because there's so much going on that defies reason and logic.
Some people have suspended their critical thinking and just accept whatever they hear from whomever. Even the "experts" should be questioned.
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anons, sage for kinda-blogpost and i'm sorry, i know a bunch of people already said this in this thread but it's been getting harder and harder for me to keep it together lately. i'm in day 10 of self quarantine/social distancing/whatever and there are still many more to come because my town could go into full-on lock down any day now because both zoomers and boomers are retarded and keep roaming the streets even though we were all asked to stay inside
my country is already a dirt poor eastern european one and will be hit so bad by the recession. i was supposed to go to college this autumn but even if this covid ordeal is done by then, i don't think i could blow all my parents' money on college in good conscience, as they'll most likely need it during the economic crisis
times are bleak my dudes
NTA but they most likely WON'T die from the virus. If you're a healthy 21-year old you'll probably just get rid of it with a few days of bedrest and develop an immunity to the virus. It's nature doing its course. >>528933
I agree with you 100%. I was bordering on being neutral with the Fuck Boomers attitude before but now that they're willing to fuck up the economy and the job market for young people even more than they already have just so they can hog up all the health care reserves because they know they'll have a larger chance of dying makes me mad as hell. Most people aged 20-40 are already struggling to make ends meet and now they're supposed to pick up the pieces left by all these futile efforts to save old folks who don't even give a shit about their own offspring's future.
>>528988>supports depopulation>sounds like a eugenicist.
Fuck all the people who think they can play God, they can drop dead first.>>528991
It IS artificial. It's not the amount of people that's the problem it's the fucking system itself. It's a machine that just grinds people into the ground. Some retards are acting like we all want immortality. The only ones gunning for that are the technocrats.
I'm not one of those people saying the elderly should just die, but boomers (and you) pulling the "we've gone through hardships while you're spoiled"-card are disgusting. Both euro and murican boomers have been born long after the war, their parents suffered, while they already got handed shit. Most of them lead pretty easy lifes without thinking about the consequences for the later generations but they never acknowledge that because they love pulling the victim
card just as much as the "snowflakes" they shit on.
Also>Black and gay boomers exist!
Stop. That's embarrassing.
How do we know that COVID-19 was not already here in the UK in 2019? In the last quarter of 2019 I had what I assume was flu. Along with runny nose and a cough I had a fever and stayed in bed, for several days the sheets were soaked with sweat from the fever and I could not get comfortable at all, tossing and turning all night unable to sleep properly until I took some codeine tablets. Went through several packs of Ricola/Jakeman's cough sweets, drunk ice cold Jaegermeister from the freezer at night to cool down, sooth my throat and help me sleep. Although the cough didn't seem that bad the fever was insane, the worst I ever had. I went for a brisk walk a few weeks ago and felt out of breath, maybe it was just the coldness of the air, combined with walking fast to keep warm.
Also, tin foil, but I have read that the unusual "vaping" deaths reported in America last summer were actually caused by undiagnosed (or covered up) COVID-19, so it might have already been widespread in the West by summer 2019.
I live with my parents and my they didn't get ill at the time. Although earlier this year my mum had a bad cough for several weeks, at the same time also had friends who had a similar bad cough, not sure if it was the same illness I had because we were ill at different times. I am trying to comfort my mum by telling her that cough she had was probably coronavirus and she is already immune because she is freaking out. I hope we already had it because I am absolutely dreading waking up with a sore throat.
It's going to pour petrol on the already burning fire of nationalist populism. I fully expect the world to get a lot more right wing when this is over.>>528987
This is beyond retarded. Zinc is required for semen production and it's also necessary for the immune system to function, so any male thinking that he can wank the virus away is about to discover the meaning of natural selection.
Maybe it's because they're aware that govts lie literally all the time? lol stop being so naive.
As a US fag, when I look at the economy right now, I think back to the last govt shut down: people were losing their jobs, getting laid off, running out of unemployment $. Meanwhile the asshats in gov were busy bickering with each other over NOTHING, playing politics with people's livelihoods. A lot of people are still struggling because of what happened then, and now this current bullshit is tanking the economy even more.
They don’t see any of that because they’re bitter brats exercising their own short-sighted selfishness.
In 20 years when gen z finally turns on them, they’ll be just the same as the boomers they hated in their youth.
Stupidity, callousness and the desire to be contrary and edgy as fuck knows no generational divide.
There are similar posts in this thread and the last. I've yet to see solid proof that we're dealing with anything other than a bad flu strain right now, one that can be dealt with using common sense and logic, not fearmongering and nonsensical bullshit like keeping 6ft away from each other.
Don't cough into each others mouths, don't hold hands, it's not complicated.
It was circulating in China by Octorber and November 2019 and it was identified at the end of December 2019
Mutating viruses in China are always circulating in poultry and bat populations; when the viruses first jump species in a spillover they infect a few people, then if the mutation is efficient at replicating in the new hosts it slowly spreadshttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4449510/
Not really. The overpopulation meme is just that.
There's more than enough food on earth to feed people, and enough money for everyone to live a middle class lifestyle, too.
A small amount of people just like to hoard wealth, take ownership of swathes of land that don't really belong to them in various countries (and could feed/home lots of people if used rightfully), poison the environment to mine resources, purposely block any drive to push for more sustainable, eco-friendly ways of getting energy/resources so they can keep hoarding wealth, deliberately waste food, dump their toxic
waste in other parts of the world, and then turn around to pretend there's "not enough" of everything. By claiming there's "too many people", they're essentially gaslighting.
It's not people in general that need to go. It's certain people who want to keep a wasteful, greedy lifestyle, on top of encouraging (and enforcing) those less powerful than themselves to do the same. The moment said people are gone, we can all move on and live healthier, less wasteful lives.
Aside from that, a lot of the time, the "overpopulation" argument is pretty much a dogwhistle for /pol/tard "nuke africa, gas indians xDDD" bullshit, so it's always surprising to see people unironically spout it in the wild.
All that said, most of the people who have been abusing their power are boomers. I agree that grandparents should be considered an important part of the family, so if there was a way for it to directly infect them while leaving alone innocent old people, that'd be great. Too bad that's not really possible.
if governments cared about citizens they would have been monitoring the situation and closing borders and stopping flights with the exception of citizens in fucking february at the LATEST
they also didnt care to go ahead with buying supplies, they literally turned them away despite what was going on in china
the reality is, they want to protect the top 2%, which are all pretty much old as fuck CEO's and government officials, all of which hoard wealth and mistreat employees and staffers and barely pay livable wages to anybody who isnt related to them
if flattening the curve was a thing, lockdown would have been enforced long ago
and you're whining right back about how your life is soooooooo difficult
KILL UR PARENTS
Zoomers rise up!!! Everyone go catch corona-chan and bring her home RIGHT NOW!!
World peace incoming!!!
go out and cough and yell that you have corona
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World fertility rates are nosediving anyways in every place on earth except sub Saharan Africa, show this chart to everyone freaking out about overpopulation in the future. the problem of overpopulation is happening now, not in some soylent green esque scenario.
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Is someone having an episode or what? Is it the few days of isolation? Are we already searching scapegoats?
Eh thats not necessarily true. People werent flooding the hospitals because they thought it was just the same old same old, which most people recover from. Flooding of hospitals actually typically happens during PANIC situations. People start believing they have symptoms of a DEADLY FATAL disease that the media is telling them to be deathly afraid of, despite it having little to no symptoms at all until its practically too late to save them, or symptoms they have with a standard upper respiratory infection or something similar, so of course they're going to rush in a panic and take up space in the hospital. Have you ever had a panic attack? You can experience the SAME symptoms in a standard severe panic attack as you can Covid. Shortness of breath, migraines, tightness in the chest, body aches, vomiting etc. Now add a panic attack to a condition you might already have such as an upper respiratory infection, flu etc. Boom you've got Covid. Im all for being cautious in the moment, but theres no reason at all to believe this wasnt already floating around with the amount of travel taking place in the world daily.
If they live paycheck to paycheck and haven't saved up enough to deal with this crisis, then they shouldn't have used their money to buy anything unnecessary or for the simple enjoyment of life before the crisis!
(did I do that right, trolls?)
No, thats not how this works. Our reaction to the virus, whether or not we panic or are aware of it wouldn't magically change the death rate. If we were having mass community spread, our hospitals would be overrun like Italy. You'd have secret COVID19 deaths happening alongside your normal flu deaths.
Now, some areas did report some small increases in "flu-like illness" with negative flu tests, but it wasn't in numbers that caused alarm. If there already was community spread across all of the US we would see more nursing homes devastated, and more deaths in big cities like NYC. >>529182
There are warmer countries sill seeing spread of the virus, and studies are inconclusive on whether or not heat will kill this thing. But we shouldn't think once summer comes we are safe. The Spanish Flu came back with a vengeance in the fall after a mild summer.
>>529159>Are we already searching scapegoats?
Definitely. It's the most easy coping mechanism for any fucked up situation. Also, there are many parties that can be blamed for the current state of things.
I wonder who'll be blamed after anti-boomerism is done. Maybe doctors. I know some doctors were literally telling people to stop buying masks and claiming they're "ineffective", but it was kind of obvious they only said that so it'd be easier to get them for themselves. In at least one country, several doctors decided now was the perfect time to go on strike over not receiving pay, bogging down the healthcare process.
Besides them, it'll probably be zoomers for being super-spreaders and getting everyone sick to begin with. The people in >>528323
sounded pretty dumb.
And it stands to reason, it is actually much LESS deadly than it is being hyped as, which is why it seems to spread so fast, because it rarely ever kills it's host, or even give the host any symptoms at all, except perhaps an occasional cough or sneeze, in Italy there must be doctors and surgeons that travel the country working in various hospitals, unknowingly infecting the other doctors and nurses there.
The best parasites in nature are those that live in their hosts unnoticed or almost unnoticed, this is what allows them to spread to so many other hosts. A parasite that is lethally deadly and kills it's host almost instantly would be self-defeating.
I was thinking about this and I doubt anything will change, at least in the US. Ideally, it would be nice if we got health care and some kind of law mandating all workers get PTO to not have to work when they're sick. There's no federal law mandating paid leave.
I used to work at a restaurant/coffee shop. Cooks, servers, baristas, etc. work with cold/flu symptoms all the fucking time. It gets other workers sick for sure, and almost certainly gets customers sick. It's almost impossible to call out without repercussions. I wish companies would acknowledge it's better to be short-staffed than spread illnesses.
If it cripples it's victims
to the point where they can hardly walk without gasping for air, it is going to be self-limiting as those victims
aren't going to be be going out and working, partying, etc.
Agreed, but the virus will die out if it cannot spread. We need to focus more on what this is doing to the body before, during and after the illness. We cant trust China to do literally fuck all or not lie about anything, so Italy, once this calms down, is going to be a good place for people to look at the cases and pick them apart to see the dynamics of the diseases itself. South Korea is already trying, hence why their cases have pretty much started to slow. Its not over for them, but its slowing because they were able to catch on to the strains DNA and able to form the conclusion that anti malarial drugs are potential treatments that at least slow the virus down once its inside a host, and makes the respiratory aspect less severe. I trust they are working hard to figure this out. It doesnt mean its over, it just means that we are closer to a vaccine that can at LEAST lessen the severity of this strain, and hopefully cause all future mutations of the strain to be more benign.
Excellent point re living with pollution making people more susceptible.>>528863
Yesterday California gov Newsom said it may last for months.
I just woke up and haven't checked the news yet tho.>>529044
Context re genetic variants?>>528904>>529021>>529082>>529092
>boomers>people over 40>"greatest generation"
No, the so-called "greatest generation" was born post-WW2. Their children are Gen X.
I understand that colloquially "boomer" now refers to the parents of adults, but don't confuse it with the "greatest generation" because that is your grandparent's generation.
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I don't think any good will come out of this.
There is already talk not just of a recession but a depression. This event is potentially going to be the most polarizing event in recent history.
If it turns out that very few people actually die from this and that it was no worse than regular seasonal flu the mainstream media will be totally discredited among millions of right-wingers, especially if this causes Trump lose his reelection bid and the media will be blamed for spreading panic and causing a recession/depression for nothing. They may even turn against Trump himself for capitulating to the media.
In this scenario the mainstream media will double-down and claim some sort of deux ex machina, that the only reason why millions more didn't die is exactly because they spread panic and encouraged people to take precautions such as social distancing, etc.
This is going to one of the most significant historical events since JFK and 9/11.
Obviously when people blame boomers they are referring to the white ones anon.
They are the ones that were given everything. No shit.
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I read an article last night that presented figures on how many masks the US federal govt has stockpiled for an emergency (I believe it was 500 million) and that the number is but a fraction of the number of masks used during a certain period of this crisis. One nurse was quoted as using the same mask over and over, spraying it with alcohol between patients until it disintegrated.
In trying to find the article I saw this
>please help by sewing masks at home for us>making masks is an exacting process
>>529239>If it turns out that very few people actually die from this and that it was no worse than regular seasonal flu the mainstream media will be totally discredited among millions of right-wingers, especially if this causes Trump lose his reelection bid and the media will be blamed for spreading panic and causing a recession/depression for nothing.
This is exactly how every 50+ year old member of my family thinks. It's exhausting.
Even if social distancing and shutting down the infected areas produces results, they'll just think they were right along and it's a mainstream media conspiracy against Trump.
At Walmart the old people are allowed in early so they can come in when it's been freshly sanitized and there's less people. They are doing this to try to save lives.
Instead of respecting those hours people are gathering outside the doors and glaring and bitching at me when I come out from my nightshift job. The also started bitching at me for having a couple of jugs of water like I'm the one making the policies. Just go when the store is in operation and be glad it's open to the public, period. If you really need something so bad you can't wait until the weekend maybe you should have stocked up ahead of time. I can guarantee all of these retards at the door do not NEED their massive amounts of product. They are also implementing a buy only one of important items thing, most places are doing that so if you are patient soon you will be able to get what you need after work. Sorry if this sounds bitchy I just hate customers. It's like they have one brain between them.
WHO spokesman Christian Lindmeier said that while UN health experts are investigating the matter, “we recommend using rather paracetamol [acetaminophen], and do not use ibuprofen as a self-medication.”
But a day later, WHO reversed itself.
"Based on currently available information, WHO does not recommend against the use of ibuprofen,” the organization tweeted.https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Should-you-take-ibuprofen-if-you-have-COVID-19-15143646.php
This isn't an Us vs Them situation, unless the Them you're referring to are the actual people setting the policies that are screwing you over.>>529119>A small amount of people just like to hoard wealth, take ownership of swathes of land
Anon it's literally been this way for centuries, going back to when the nobility owned everything while the poor surfs/slaves toiled on their land. Little has changed. Modern society has given humanity the illusion of freedom.
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LATEST, March 20, 8:20 p.m. California Governor Gavin Newsom announced Friday night that California National Guard members will be deployed to help with distribution at food banks.https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-updates-Bay-Area-Contra-Costa-death-15145370.php
Hmm… temporarily less carbon output? We've already seen how quarantines have improved the environment with animals coming back to the canals in Venice and the amount of flights that have been cancelled can only be a good thing for the planet. If someone out there is recording the environmental impact this is having it could be a clear example to show that people must change their behaviour to benefit the planet we're all taking and taking from.
Countries may also strive to be more self-sufficient in the future at the cost of globalism, giving more work to the average citizen at home rather than having it outsourced to places that will do it for cheaper.
Possibly tighter border controls, if you care about how lax your countries immigration policy is. Everyone was fighting over how immigration would be handled during Brexit, now nobody is batting an eye at multiple countries shutting down entirely for their own protection.
Trichotillomania and former binge anon here. Yup, it's the anxiety. I swept up a lovely pile of hair last night. Last week I was stress eating. Better to pull out my hair than eat my rations, I guess.
I fell asleep with my head on my comforter that admittedly needs a wash after I and friends have been sitting on it in street clothes. I woke up with a nasty, weeping stye and a huge zit on the back of my head near my hairline. Hot compressing constantly so I can avoid seeking medical.
>need to wash comforter>laundromat with other people
Maybe I'll just burn it instead.
So mods are censoring this thread now?
Let the archiving beginhttp://archive.is/qj5vH
tbf the China sperging happened because corona-chan allegedly
started in China. At first I thought it could've been a bioweapon because of the weapons lab in Wuhan but for now there's just not enough evidence to say one way or the other. Neither have i seen enough evidence to say conclusively that this virus jumped from animals. >>529179
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>Newsom also formally launched the Neighbor-to-Neighbor campaign, a government partnership with Nextdoor.com and California Volunteers intended to help deliver food to individuals facing an elevated risk of complications due to the coronavirus.
>"The collaboration will allow the state to reach more than 22,000 neighborhoods using the platform," the release reads. "Neighbors use Nextdoor to exchange helpful information and California Volunteers will use this site to share ways residents can safely check on each other during the COVID-19 outbreak. The platform will also be used to share ways to safely ensure community members have the basic necessities they may need during periods of home isolation."
Since sfgate.com is shit at reporting:https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/03/20/governor-newsom-deploys-california-national-guard-to-help-distribute-food-at-food-banks-protect-californias-most-vulnerable/https://californiavolunteers.ca.gov/get-involved/covid-19/https://www.androidheadlines.com/2020/03/pandemic-coronavirus-covid-19-nextdoor-groups-help-map-launch.html/
I am using archive.today to archive all of the links I post just in case servers begin to become unreachable.
>>529108>control people and make this a police state
With Denmark of all govts trying to make a covid vaccine mandatory - and it doesn't even exist yet -, you don't sound too far off. Have to raise an eyebrow at them bringing in the National Guard >>529284
because to repeat what's been said several times already, what they're using to test for Covid hasn't proven reliable,
yields false positives etc. Not something a thinking person would count on for accurate data collection. They're bringing in the national guard over something they can't even properly test for. Makes sense.
I feel your pain, and I don't what to suggest since my methods are contrary to social distancing, ie only keeping enough food on hand for the next day. If I still had food stamps left I would undoubtedly have my face buried in two pints of B&J. Being poor has been the greatest deterrent of binging.
Do you have other anxiety-driven behaviors that you could use when you feel the urge to binge? Like I try to pull my hair rather than pick my skin.>>529301
If so, then why not delete all of the bickering and racist posts like >>528912
>>529317>most vaccines don't cause shedding
Ok, so some of them do, meaning some of them are contagious. Admittedly it is rather nice of the vaccine companies to put that nifty list of horrible side effects on all their package inserts. Vaccine injury court exists for a reason.>>529318>You are preventing people from getting sick from the known strains
No. Vaccine (in this case) doesn't prevent illness. People have gotten flu and/or flu-like symptoms from the vaccines. It's supposed to build antibodies. If that's the case, I'll just get it naturally and build antibodies that way.
It's true in the case of the flu, so hopefully it will be true in the case of this coronavirus.https://www.sfgate.com/living-in-sf/article/SF-startup-begins-offering-home-test-for-COVID-19-15146893.php
A San Francisco telehealth startup has launched an at-home COVID-19 test for people experiencing symptoms of the disease.
Nurx, which is known for its birth control and sexually transmitted infection testing, devoted all its resources in the last two weeks to ramping up production of the test after the federal Food and Drug Administration cleared the way for certified labs to provide testing for the novel coronavirus.
The service currently costs $181, including shipping charges. Hoffman said Nurx does not bill insurance for the test but encourages patients to submit receipts to their insurance plan for partial reimbursement.
The extent of COVID-19 infection in the United States remains unknown in the wake of the Trump’s administration’s failure to roll out widespread and accessible testing. The nation has lagged behind every other country with a high proportion of coronavirus cases, testing fewer than 28,000 people as recently as Sunday. That number has improved through the week. On Friday afternoon, the COVID-19 Tracking Project reported that 138,500 people had been tested.https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19Tracking/status/1241102642039808000https://covidtracking.com/
It's incredibly sad how ever willing people are to treat "The Others" as disposable.
As soon as you label people as "Other", the dehumanization starts. And then people start treating other people monstrously. Have we learned nothing from what happened to blacks, women, Jews…?
The virus is not killing "The Others". There are no "Others". It's killing US.
He's mobilizing the NG for food distribution. Are you suspicious of governments using this premise to get their foot in the door, so to speak?>>529320
>People have gotten flu
Because they contract a strain not included in the vaccine. Contracting the flu from the vaccine is impossible.
>and/or flu-like symptoms from the vaccines.
Those symptoms are the body's immune inflammatory response to the vaccine and indicate that your immune system is functioning well.
>It's supposed to build antibodies.
Technically it's your immune system that builds antibodies.
>If that's the case, I'll just get it naturally and build antibodies that way.
I don't think you understand how vaccines work.
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>>529323>stop with your antivax nonsense.
I knew you'd say that. I'm not antivax, I'm pro informed consent, primarily because of things like pic related. Nice guess though, even though you totally blew off the very real vaccine injury court.
I'm sure the covid vaccine will also have questions surrounding its safety, as it should. In a free society, people are allowed to decide what they put in their own bodies.https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims
>>529329>Because they contract a strain not included in the vaccine.
Ok. So you get 'a strain' of flu whether you take the vaccine or not lol, so how does this prevent you from getting the flu again?>Contracting the flu from the vaccine is impossible.
Where's the evidence?>Those symptoms are the body's immune inflammatory response
If you say so.>it's your immune system that builds antibodies.
I know that, hence getting the flu naturally w/o vaccine.>I don't think you understand how vaccines work.
Apparently you don't either.
The strains of flu that cycle every year are different. Sometimes they can predict them, sometimes they don't. The vaccine is an estimate based on what they think the 3 most common strains are.
the flu vaccine can protect you from getting a severe version that leads to death. vaccinated, you might just be down for a couple days. you might not get it at all. without it and you could end up hospitalized or dead.
>>529336>Sometimes they can predict them
Where's the evidence? >The vaccine is an estimate
Meaning they take a wild guess, they can't predict
any strain, period.
>a severe version that leads to death.
Tell that to some of the people who died from this >>529330
Yes, I know, but keeping up with the news about it is worthwhile. That $181 price tag and not submitting it to insurance is what gets me.>>529336
Don't waste your time on this one, anon.
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Walgreens anon from a few days ago. Here's another update from a Walgreens store manager that has to work through this through a shut down. I've downed a half a bottle of vodka in the last 30 mins so I will respond as needed but pre emotive apologies for any incoming typos
SF Walgreens customer anon here. Hang in there (non-ironically*).
>24 toilet papers
Is that cases of multipacks? How many rolls? I usually get the Angel Soft 6 pack of fat rolls with the $1 off coupon. When I went to Walgreens two weeks ago I grabbed the last pack in the entire store of a more expensive brand but put it back when the Walgreens website refused to load the coupons because it was outside of my budget. Fuck that website for being so over-engineered that it won't run on anything but a current OS device on a fast and fat connection.
On Monday night I noticed at least one of the corner stores had finally jacked up the prices on TP and way beyond my budget. Washcloth for pee it is! I've got baby wipes for #2.
Have anons noticed if prices on feminine hygiene products been increased? The wipes and pads/pantyliners can be used in lieu of TP. What a sad state of affairs when fucking fem hygiene products are cheaper than TP.
* Does anyone think that the toll this crisis will take will move us out of the age of irony and 4chan memes? I mean, I have had plenty of laughs at Pepe Clown World memes and have a dark humor streak a mile wide, but this crisis is beyond everything that has been mocked in the last few years.
Soz for stoned ramble. Neighbor got his trust fund check today and picked up weed for us as well as food and water for me so I don't have to leave my room. So thankful for my good neighbors!
Regardless of how serious covid is you cant argue the general public is acting faster than the government and that's where these issues are coming
I am not in a hot zone by any means, but let me break down what I am going through
-my daily sales are about 6500 a day. I'm doing 1400+ eight now. More so than xmas. With 140 less staff hours
-my pharmacy does average 250-300 scripts a day. We did over 500 the last 4 days.
-I am working 15 hours a day. I have had maybe 6 hours of sleep since mondays. I have nightmares that people ask me for hand sanitizer and I wake up. Had a dream I was murdered last night
My location has not had:
- masks since January 18th
- hand sanitizer in 9 weeks
- isopropyl alcohol in 8 weeks
- disinfects in 6 weeks
- toilet paper in 4 weeks
- ANY pain relief in 3 weeks. Including baby and infant
- Water in 2 weeks
Like I said, REGARDLESS of the true severity of anything (government. Virus. Media.) People are reacting and we are fucked for a while
I am supposed to be off work tomorrow but I am literally going in to keep my team and my family safe
I appreciate your questions!!! Bare with me as I'm doing this mobile
I am sorry for what you are dealing with in cali, from what I hear walgreens stores are making up their own rules as they go. The things I am saying reflect someone right next to HQ in Illinois (not to say I havent established my own rules either to protect my team)
When I say packs, I mean pieces showing they are sold. So 1 single roll and one 24 pack counts as 2 pieces if that makes sense.
Fem products" illinois has a rule in place no tax in lady products. This means we have ""officials"" coming in all the time to enforce no prove gauging or the fine will be more than whatever profit you ripped off. I assume mom and pop stops are doing this
To add to the above if you have a "state of emergency: walgreens blocked ALL price maitenence so for the last month or so nothing had changed. I'd you to into our system to over ride it gets reported and you're fired essentially. The stock condition is a different story unfortunately
Also a hint fuck the app unless you're doing mobile orders or refilling a script
Coupons are dumb through the app. We always have a weekly ad and a monthly ad. Lots of coupons within them. The app is literally those copy and pasted 85% of the time. Just go old school ad ask the cashier to scan them for you.
The other 15% are manufacturers cups that you can get from the Sunday paper
I don't know about Walgreens but I've read that grocery stores in general have enough stock/supplies, the problem is people are buying shit up before stores have time to restock. This is primarily why they're closing earlier.
What youre describing sounds like something bordering on pandemonium. You're in Illinois? I'm on the east coast and haven't seen anything quite that severe yet.
If you really feel like your safety is threatened, consider taking precautionary/preventative measures. Whether or not going into work is worth risking your life/safety for is your call. Hope you stay safe anon.
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Anons trying to save $ during this crisis:
Don't pay your phone and Internet bill until May [pic related]. Check with your carrier/ISP to verify they signed on to the agreement.>>529353
And I appreciate your answers!
>no tax on fem products in Illinois
Congrats! Our ordinance went into effect Jan 1 but it's limited to 2 years. I wasn't even aware of this happening until I looked it up just now (no longer menstruating since I was neutered for cancer treatment).https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/477467-diapers-and-feminine-hygiene-products-are-now-tax-free-in-california
Under the new law, also known as Senate Bill 92, the sale and use of “diapers for infants, toddlers, and children, and menstrual hygiene products, defined as tampons, specified sanitary napkins, menstrual sponges, and menstrual cups” are now exempt from sales taxes as well as use taxes, the bill's text states.
Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) green-lighted the legislation in June. At the time, The Associated Press reported that the move could subtract up to $55 million from the state’s budget, which totaled more than $200 billion.
Idk if you have been following my posts sporadically the last few days. You are 100% right and true.
Let me explain– my store is about 1 hour outside of corporate
walgreens. I'm afraid to use buzz words as I piloted a lot of weird shit at my store so I an gonna do my best here without giving locations etc ad I am risking my job. I have been there 10-15 years to keep it vaugish
Prior to the world frak freak out, Corp determined my location was 75% pharmacy 25% shopping.they ripped out display pieces so the majority of the store is typically big cardboard blocks advertising out services m. The staff focuses "where " they need to be rather than shelf maitenence and sto king etc etc
This means labor budget is bare. The "system" thinks might sell 1 of a certain product a year so wont get it for 4 months lots of issues
My facility is very high income bracket. Literally 2 people have grown up here to be on Laguna beach or some dumbass show. My customers DONT shop here cuz they dont need to. They are actually probably all bffs with trump if I guessed
System is ordering ZERO cuz it doesnt know what to do. Know I gotta bunch of rich people wuarenting themselves and their children's.
Ensue panic. Maybe bot yours your the typical anon. But mine
I only use the website version and clip the coupons to my rewards card before I leave the house so I can budget accordingly. No one I know of in my building has a newspaper subscription.
I've stuck with Walgreens because Rx (I'm on 8 daily meds) and for the rewards points without which I would not be able to survive.
Tip: If you have a complaint about almost anything related to your receipt and call customer service the nice ladies with the Southern drawl will give you a slew of points. One time I was given 20K. That's $20!
Oh shit I swear I proofed that. Please read through my drunk typing
I am literally just in a panic I said it a few days ago my teamismy familyand I am so scared literally drunk>>529359
Are you the same anon from cali that was talking to me a few nights ago??
If not bless you all I hate Illinois and the corrupt for real look at our governmentprison dudes.cali is pretty and liberal nice but not enough, I'll send you my love ir whatever
Alsoum drunk I think I earned so dont fire me for fucking up sagez
Fucking hell my internet connection is getting flakier and flakier. It started blipping out a couple times a day Wednesday. And not only during peak hours, either. Like 4am last night and it's midnight now.
Wondering if I can somehow use >>529359
to add to my data plan without paying for it now.>>529366
Yup, the boomer SF anon whom anons want bad things to happen to because I had the audacity to buy concert tickets 6 months ago with welfare $ I had saved for 6 months prior kek
>my team is my family
Bless you, Walgreens anon.
>cali is not liberal enough
As a transplant from the south/east coast during the mid-90s I couldn't wait to move to the American mecca of liberalism. Once I got here I began to see cases of extreme liberalism run amok to the point of being fascist. And don't get me started on how badly run the city, county, and state governments are. Prime example, ballot measures that are clearly unconstitutional but tax $ is wasted on including them anyway.
SF has a fine tradition of corruption dating back to its founding, and it's not about to change. I don't trust the new mayor for various reasons. The head of the Planning Dept was arrested by the FBI last month for accepting bribes; turns out the mayor dated him. The feds shut down a department under I believe Human Services last year for losing a huge amount of $ that was supposed to go to homelessness and supportive housing (and the media was so hush hush about it).>>529367
Look at the timestamps of the replies to the deleted posts. Anons cannot delete posts after 1 hour.
Samefag, good luck getting through to AT&T to ask for >>529359
. The recording says their offices have reduced hours due to reduced staff.
Re China using CT to dx, here is the actual studyhttps://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200642
Re PCR testshttps://www.vox.com/2020/3/20/21188266/coronavirus-test-us-united-states
SARS-CoV-2, is an RNA virus, which means it uses ribonucleic acid as its genetic material. It requires a process called reverse transcription, or RT, to transcribe its RNA into DNA.
Because there’s not very much material in one sample, a polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is used to rapidly make billions of copies so it can be analyzed. The DNA is dyed a fluorescent color, which glows if SARS-CoV-2 is present. Most of the available Covid-19 tests use this process. The virus has about 32,000 nucleotides, so there’s a variety of tests, each looking for different parts of the virus’s genome, and they use different chemicals — there’s not one test every country is using.
In the US, the CDC chose not to follow WHO protocol and made its own test, shipping it to states in early February. (The CDC has not made a public statement on why it didn’t follow WHO protocol.) The kit was actually designed to run three tests: two for SARS-CoV-2 and one for other known coronaviruses, which cause many common colds. But laboratories around the country soon reported that the tests didn’t work.
Despite a nationwide shortage, the need for FDA approval kept local, state, private, or academic institutions from developing or producing their own tests. Although in a crisis the FDA can use something called emergency use authorization to allow unapproved medical tests, the agency waited until February 29 before actually doing so.
Laboratories in the US all have different equipment from academic research institutions, which are different from those used in hospitals, so Covid-19 tests have to be independently verified in each lab to make sure they’re working right.
Finally, PCR technology has been around for a long time, but it’s time-consuming and complicated to perform, and it’s very easy to contaminate samples. The RT-PCR test itself only takes about a day, but with shortages and the need to ship samples to labs, it’s taking most patients days, or even weeks, to get their results back.
PCR is generally considered to be very accurate, but one study suggests that RT-PCR accuracy varies depending on how samples from your nose, throat, or lungs are collected and when you are tested. Only 3 percent of the patients in this study ended up with false negatives — meaning they had Covid-19 but were told they didn’t — but even missing a small number of cases could have deadly consequences.
PCR testing is also slow; under the best of circumstances, it can take a day to get results. Dozens of companies have announced plans to develop a “point of care” test, which a nurse or doctor can use right in their office and get results back in as little as 15 minutes. Some of these tests will also rely on nose and throat swabs and PCR, while others will look for antibodies to the virus in patients’ blood, known as a serological test. This approach could also tell if someone had been previously infected, even if they’re not currently sick. Serological tests are thought to perhaps be less accurate than PCR but are less complicated to perform and easier to automate.
There were no serological tests for Covid-19 until this week when BioAmerica started shipping a new, $10 test to government agencies. Others, like Mammoth Biosciences, plan to use CRISPR to develop a test that works with paper test strips. Still others plan to roll out a $135 at-home PCR test by March 23, with results back in 72 hours.
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>>529329>Are you suspicious of governments using this premise to get their foot in the door, so to speak?
Isn't that what the Chinese government is doing?
Here's another critic and skeptic [pic related], but he's just a retired doctor/former senator/libertarian boomer, so he must be some know nothing asshole I guess.http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/march/16/the-coronavirus-hoax/
>Governments love crises because when the people are fearful they are more willing to give up freedoms for promises that the government will take care of them. After 9/11, for example, Americans accepted the near-total destruction of their civil liberties in the PATRIOT Act’s hollow promises of security.
>Declaring a pandemic emergency on Friday, President Trump now claims the power to quarantine individuals suspected of being infected by the virus
>State and local authoritarians love panic as well. The mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.
>The chief fearmonger of the Trump Administration is without a doubt Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health. He testified to Congress that the death rate for the coronavirus is ten times that of the seasonal flu, a claim without any scientific basis.
>The madness over the coronavirus is not limited to politicians and the medical community. The head of the neoconservative Atlantic Council wrote an editorial this week urging NATO to pass an Article 5 declaration of war against the COVID-19 virus! Are they going to send in tanks and drones to wipe out these microscopic enemies?
>People should ask themselves whether this coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax, with the actual danger of the disease massively exaggerated by those who seek to profit – financially or politically – from the ensuing panic.
>we have seen this movie before. Government over-hypes a threat as an excuse to grab more of our freedoms. When the “threat” is over, however, they never give us our freedoms back.
I feel safer already.
[despite knowing whom I'm replying to I'll bite]
The Chinese authorities don't have to use subterfuge to get their foot in the door; they're already inside.
>defensive sarcastic comment re Ron Paul
Calm down. Have I voiced an opinion about him?
>coronavirus “pandemic” could be a big hoax
But people are actually critically ill and dying.
The Chinese govt is using this "pandemic" to further its totalitarian ambitions. Stop acting dense.
>But people are actually critically ill and dying.
Well apparently you missed the point of the article then.
I don't know who you are nor do I care.
It doesn't need to further them. It's already totalitarian.
I know you're the antivax anon.>>529389
Washington state is prepping to be the new Italy.
Chilling' Plans: Who Gets Care When Washington State Hospitals Reach Their Max?https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-in-seattle-washington-state.htmlhttp://archive.li/u4mKr
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Here is the list of essential businesses in SF.https://sfmayor.org/article/san-francisco-issues-new-public-health-order-requiring-residents-stay-home-except-essential
In looking for this list I found this page of resources for businesses and workers. I was pleasantly surprised to see the many financial assistance already being extended to small businesses and workers.https://oewd.org/assistance-guidance-businesses-and-workers-impacted-covid-19
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He's mad about his posts getting deleted. He's the self-admitted vegan wizardchan scrote who's been shitting up the pink pill thread, and also the early COVID-19 threads. He's also an actual /pol/tard, you're right about that.
You can tell it's him by the obnoxious, tryhard typing style. He's also the "fellow sisters" poster in >>526678
. Once I put two and two together, I haven't been able to stop IDing his garbage posts. He just keeps ban evading.
He already outed himself as male in the pink pill thread, and I wish he'd stop blogging here just so he can get drops of female interaction. It's pathetic, and he only brings arguments and narc bullshit.
Reposting because I dropped my screenshot. I have/had a tab of the PP thread with his posts undeleted, so I can also provide proof of him admitting to being one of the vegan posters in the Coronavirus threads.
He was screeching at multiple anons in that thread for saying rapists should be hung, just to be clear. He is also "pro-porn", and bizarrely felt the need to proclaim his exploits as a dominatrix.
He replied to me now typing in all-lowercase because he thinks that sounds more "girly". I really hope the mods ban him, he's annoying as shit.
>He replied to me now typing in all-lowercase because he thinks that sounds more "girly".
No, I replied in all lowercase because I started my sentence with "lol" which I always type in lowercase.
I don't have ovaries, tho, I'll grant you that.
Don't bother deleting your post, either.http://archive.is/u212Fhttp://archive.is/ya04K>>529416
I'm still not who >>529409
thinks I am.
This. Not only sharing the machines but having to touch so many common objects and having to wait there for an hour+ in the presence of others.
I did a load in my building's laundry room late last week before shit really hit the fan, and I've been hand washing underwear, bras, socks, and tank tops since then. I find washing anything but my smalls easier to do in the shower while I'm showering.>>529421
The site would not let me delete >>529411
And how is it not about me when she's accusing me of being some /pol/ scrote?
Thank you for the help, glad to see laundry will still be open although after reading the other replies now I feel kind of nervous to do my laundry there.>>529415>>529425
Last time I went it was early in the morning with no people and I wiped down the folding table and the dryer and washer handles plus anything else I had to touch. I'm hoping that's being cautious enough but now I'm starting to think maybe it's not enough.
Samefag as >>529425
, why the fuck are you replying to >>529129
Just goes to demonstrate to the mods that I am not "vegan Wizard". I never quote the wrong post accidentally cuz OCPD.>>529427
You'll be sharing the air with other people. And god forbid someone cough or sneeze near you!
I think he's doing this on purpose, hoping people will respond to him.
He already admitted to being "the vegan wizard" like 5 seconds after being called out and trying to argue about it, but thinks he can trick people and continue evading bans by insisting he'll "never post again" and probably switching his IP, thinking the mods here are as retarded as the ones on his home board.
In any case, "not vegan wizard" admitted to being male, so he should get banned "too".
This reminds me of the Ham-chan shit, except male, down to the handposting.
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Since you like handposts so much, merry fucking Christmas! I left the exif data intact and included a doxable 27 year old tattoo. Have fun!
Admin and mods and fellow anons, apologies for derailing, but this bitch needs to be shut the fuck down before more anons pile on and I get banned as a result.
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Where do I even start with unpacking this…>is like 50 >broken screen>screen time is 3.20am>yellow bitten down nails>sweaty hands >posting this combo on an imageboard on a thread about a pandemic, while screeching autistically
Do you have any self awareness?
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her hands aren't sweaty, it's the flash. her nails aren't yellow either, it's the cast from the flash. >>529445
god i pray maxine waters' proposal (see: bernie's, really) gets pushed through. is there literally any chance this'll happen? they really need to step it up and make the gop look like a joke or trump is going to absolutely smoke biden. he's done fuckall but downplay this nightmare and he's already getting rave reviews>>529449
looks like a standard middle age woman's hand to me
Sweat? That's glare off of overly dry skin from frequent hand washing. My nails are fucked due to estrogen deficiency. And with luck, you'll be 50 some day, too.
Tell me, then, what would you do if some bitch launched a crusade to get you banned because she thinks you are another anon who has been banned repeatedly and who could be using a vpn to fool the mods into thinking you are he?
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See this is where you're making the mistake. You are assuming I am as autistic as you and would give a fuck about what someone thinks about me in an Italian pizza and corona bingo enthusiast club.
And the income cut offs seem really low to me.
>The rebate checks would begin phasing out for individuals who earned more than $75,000 in 2018 and married couples who made more than $150,000.
>People who pay little to nothing in income taxes but earned at least $2,500 would get a minimum rebate of $600.>>529449
What? Are you implying flipped image trickery?
Glad I could provide some entertainment and distraction from the crisis to you lot before I die!
>The lawsuit also mentions a letter sent by the FDA to Gojo in January, which plaintiffs' claim describes Purell as "nothing more than a topical antiseptic," which was not safe and effective in preventing infection.
A reminder of the discussion in the last thread re what to use in lieu of isopropyl alcohol based sanitizer >>>/ot/527818https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32035997
The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days, but can be efficiently inactivated by surface disinfection procedures with 62-71% ethanol, 0.5% hydrogen peroxide or 0.1% sodium hypochlorite within 1 minute. Other biocidal agents such as 0.05-0.2% benzalkonium chloride or 0.02% chlorhexidine digluconate are less effective.
My thought exactly. >>529459>>529438
Alright, anon. I apologize, I believe you on the notion that most scrotes wouldn't go as far as to put on their mom or sister's jewelry and apply a temporary tattoo just to "verify" themselves on an anonymous imageboard when they can just ban evade.
It's probably safe to assume you're just the 49 or 50-year old female anon from SF who dragged an argument out for days and extended it to /meta/ instead.
Honest mistake. Unless you're are some kind of autism boomer power couple tag-teaming this place, I guess it was naive of me to think we couldn't have two weird-ass people who can't integrate, have similar ways of typing, and post long essays at the exact same time.
Either way, please stop spamming the thread with /pol/-sounding shit about "censorship", pointless archive links and general autism. I thought you were just a little weird before, but now I'm slightly disturbed. This doesn't seem healthy.
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Are people going on Spring Break right now?
>Hydrogen peroxide and sodium hypochlorite disinfectants are more effective against Staphylococcus aureus and Pseudomonas aeruginosa biofilms than quaternary ammonium compounds
I fucking love HP now!
When I was a piercer back in the Stone Age, Madacide was invented. This shit is THE BOMB.https://www.madamedical.com/product/7008/
Functions of the MadaCide-1 Hospital Disinfectant and Cleaner:
* Kills Hepatitis A, B & C, Mycobacterium TB, MRSA, Canine Parvovirus, Poliovirus, HIV plus Fungicidal.
* Now kills SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)
* Human Coronavirus
* Bovine Viral Diarrhea (BVDV)https://www.rehabmart.com/pdfs/msds_madacide-1.pdf>>529465
Long-winded backhanded apology accepted. And you criticize me for my verbosity? kek
>/pol/-sounding shit about "censorship", pointless archive links
How is it not an issue when Admin claims posts are not deleted unless they are particularly egregious? And why so selective?
I started archiving the thread in case more are deleted. I do this for a lot of threads and many of the links I post throughout the site. Keeping up with Raven for the OPs taught me that.
>a little weird
No, just manic from anxiety about my impending death and caffeine. I mean, all the reasons I was teased as being "weird" during the 80s became cool in the eyes of you millennials…(Lolcow is not your personal blog. You keep on using multiple threads to post totally offtopic ramblings about your personal life, lolcow is an ANONYMOUS imageboard and not your personal blog.)
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College Board tells students AP tests will be taken from home due to coronavirushttps://apcentral.collegeboard.org/about-ap/news-changes/coronavirus-update>>529446
I use my decrepit tablet when I'm lolling (kek) around in bed rather than the MacBook Air it's sitting on because I have an annoying boomer habit of falling asleep reading.
sounds a lot like the roaring 20s lmao
kinda ironic i guess
>>529480>This is why leisurely quarantines aren't working.
The Italian government has been quite clear on saying that violators of the quarantine rules will be fined and will face a lawsuit.
There's that 10% of people who are still not feeling the virus poses a significant problem to hospitals.
Those people should be made to respect the terms and be told that they need to stay at home, since their irresponsibility is causing problems to those who are strictly following the quarantine terms.
Nah, fam. My first post was >>529224
. I read all of the posts that I noted as having been deleted.
Rich business owners know they will tank and then gasp
!NOT PROFIT! gasp
So their goal is to stay open for as long as they can. Pure greed motivates that.
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Same anon said 'uwu im so special' introverts are going insane from the isolation and I hope thats true. If I see another one of these jokes I will fucking snap
You're right, I'm just being naive. My boss wants me to get tested so I can still work (I've been exposed to someone who now has it), I told him it's hard for normal people to get tests, and he basically acknowledged that only rich people can get tested and that he "has connections" with "the right people" and got his son tested. I want to puke>>529546
"Laid off" ? I hope your employer isn't pulling anything shady so you can't collect unemployment or something. A lot of people have been throwing around misinformation about labor laws but I think these companies know exactly how to do shady things legally. Your company sound like mine, except my delusional boss is convinced more people will buy our shit online because they're stuck at home.
>>529487>I hope post-COVID we will have a world where celebrity worship disappears.
Me too anon. Celebrities are awful and boring.>>529548
Ngl I'd rather look at those than a bunch of shitty corona virus memes and conspiracy theories. But y'know to each their own
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Total cases in Italy as of today: 53578
People who recovered: 6072
People in Intensive Care Unit: 2857
The number of people being infected is now expected to reach its peak around the first week of April.
People in the UK, USA, Spain, France, Germany:
We would like to remind you to be RESPONSIBLE and to adopt RESPONSIBLE behaviors, according to local restrictions, but even more so by staying at home as much as possibile. Avoid walking leisurely around the neighborhood and avoid jogging altogether. Do as if bars and pubs and restaurants were completely closed.
Even more important to remind that hospitals in larger metropolitan areas are at severe risk of overloading.
Avoid contact with other people altogether and stay at least seven feet away from anyone you might encounter.
Just go out for grocery shopping and essential medicines.
Just having 10% of people in a big city walking around is making everyone's efforts to contain the contagion less effective.
It is important to reduce that number to one percent or less.
Because the number of infected people is expected to rise up until the first week of April, it is important to be RESPONSIBLE, and to remember that this situation could go on for weeks if not months, if people don't take the necessary measures.
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Anyone sort of going nuts from being in quarantine??
My mental health is shit since i can't go out and do anything, plus my physical space inside the home is pretty minimal since were have structural renovations prior to this whole pandemic.
I had a pretty bad panic attack this morning and only calmed down after lunch, i feel like im going insane from isolation and boredom.
Do you like reading books?
How about composing some music?
Something will happen if we (the workers) rise up and do something kek
That’s my like underlying guilty hope right now because I feel like 80% of the working population of most countries right now are getting completely fucked over. People are either being forced to work in shitty conditions or laid off with no pay or being forced to use sick time in a fucking pandemic… like can corporations act like they’re run by actual humans for fucking ONCE. I just feel like this is only the beginning.
I live side by side a wooded area that kinda spooks me out so i don't walk around alot, but slightly creeped is better than losing my marbles. I will get some steps in when it stops raining.>>529642
I wanted to buy some books on amazon but delivery was going to take two weeks so i gave up lmao, composing sounds nice but i don't play anything.>>529650
Im so sorry anon, right now all i wish is that my mother had married a chinese millionaire so i could be chilling in a spacious NY apartment with an actor/model boyfriend and shopping my worries away on the internet.
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Spain isn't faring too well either
I don't know how I should feel about this anymore.
Ever since the outbreak I've been staying home, ordering groceries from home, doing all the things I'm supposed to. But almost everyone around me shits on the stay-at-home order. My mother (65) just called me, telling me that she just came back from shopping and she bought this and that and the almond milk was on sale and by the way, when am I coming to visit her? Oh? Not anytime soon? Well, my cousin came to visit her yesterday and brought her cookies and she was so nice!!!! Oh, sorry she has to go now, gotta go to the post office and pay the bills!!!
And I'm listening to all this and I feel ridiculous. An it's not just just her, it's my roommate too, she's away all day long and when she asks me where I've been all day long, and I'm like…home??? And she gives this condescending smile like, oh, I'm one of those overreacting idiots.
OpenMPT is a popular tracker software for Windows. OpenMPT (short hand for Open ModPlug Tracker) is completely free and allows you to create and play back some great music on your computer.
Fairly easy to use with a variety of commands and effects.
That's why I wrote parents and not single mom, anon…
If there's two of you (or if one of your kids is already like 18) then only one person is supposed to go shopping while the rest stays home with the kids.
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Can't believe it's the homestuck number.
It's far from good but this shit got personal. My irl friend came back from two weeks in Aus last Saturday. Sunday she called me saying she felt so fucking ill. Yesterday her test came back confirmed covid19.
Fortunately she's generally healthy but describing how she feels it sounds horrendous. On day 6 she's still panicking because her breathing and lungs are so painful. I have to keep reassuring her she's not going to die because she's so panicked.
No fucking way do I want this thing so I'd rather get worse mentally right now. It's horrible looking back at her holiday pics and thinking her friends and mutual friends are going to have developed it.
Sorry for long post. It's made it all more real.
It is not
enough. Stay home.
Related to vid, may you all hoarders and fucking doomers burn in hell.
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Me right now waiting when this whole pandemic shit is going to be over
wtf are people supposed to do though, stop living their lives completely? This social distancing shit is retarded, 6ft or whatever the fuck, what difference does it make? All people can do is take reasonable
precautions like washing their hands, wearing mask, cover your fucking mouth when you sneeze. Basic shit.
>>529662>Italy Deaths: 4,825
If this is the case then why did this official say there were only two confirmed deaths as of this month >>528674
I keep seeing wildly different numbers according to the source. Because that fucking PCR test is faulty and unreliable, for now I'm more inclined to go with corona fatalities being on the lower end EVERYWHERE, not just in Italy.
It's peak idiocy relying on an unreliable test to base the statistics around.
They said "two confirmed deaths" meaning two people died because of the virus without having other health problems at the same time.
Meaning that the majority of those 4000 and counting deaths are old people (over 70 years of age) with chronic health problems.
If an old person, or young person, with asthma, diabetes, and other health problems is infected with this virus, there's a high chance they are not making it out alive, much higher than in the case of a typical seasonal influenza infection.
No. Quoting the article:>authorities are unable to distinguish those who died from the virus, from those who…were mostly carriers of other serious diseases and who therefore would not have died from Covid-19.
>Brusaferro was unable to indicate the exact number of coronavirus deaths.
Yes, a lot of people dying have serious medical issues, but Brusaferro made it clear they don't know whether those who've died actually died from Covid or not. Only TWO are confirmed dead from Covid according to him. You have read the article.
"Only 0,8% of the victims
didn't have other health problems - says Bernabei - while a quarter (25%) had one health problem, another quarter (25%) had two, and 48% had three. Only 10% of dead patients was younger than 60."
This is the study of the ISS on 355 medical records related to the first victims
of the virus.
"The real risk factor is being older than a certain age, having other health issues, hypertension, heart problems, and diabetes. This explains how more people are dying".
This means that if a person has some chronic health problems and gets infected, then there is a serious possibility they are not going to survive.http://www.ansa.it/canale_saluteebenessere/notizie/sanita/2020/03/19/coronavirus-italia-bergamo-ospedale-cremona-medici-crisi-ue_f8d1c1f0-b1b2-4b29-b6ee-0fad46953541.html
>>529856>they don't know whether those who've died actually died from Covid or not
People who, so far, are generally healthy and not too old and get infected, tend to either show no symptoms, develop flu-like symptoms, or end up at the hospital with lung problems and then recover after some days.
People who have recovered so far: 5.129
Current number of infected patients: 37.860http://www.ansa.it/canale_saluteebenessere/notizie/sanita/2020/03/19/coronavirus-italia-bergamo-ospedale-cremona-medici-crisi-ue_f8d1c1f0-b1b2-4b29-b6ee-0fad46953541.html
>>529861>This means that if a person has some chronic health problems and gets infected, then there is a serious possibility they are not going to survive.
Yes, I understand that. This holds true for any communicable disease, the most vulnerable will be people with underlying health issues, not disputing that.
Bernabei is not Brusaferro >>528674
, these are two different officials giving two different stats. The reason for this has not been made clear. How can you say for certain that 4,000 people have died from Covid specifically when we know for a FACT that the PCR test used to diagnose Covid gives false positives? The stats are at best, unreliable.
Lovely. Go full vegan and you will be loved.>>529865
Deaths from food poisoning (primarily from meat, fish and animal products) = 3000 pear year in US.
Deaths from choking (primarily from meat, fish and animal products = 5000 per year in US.
Already more people per year than are likely to die from coronavirus in the US, and the spread over age is wider. Not to mention the workplace deaths and injury in slaughterhouses or factory farming, transporting animals, or violent murders committed by slaughterhouse workers who've become desensitized to extreme violence. Not to mention the unimaginable suffering you're imposing on innocent sentient beings - the primary issue.
You have so much misinformation. You can get food poisoning from plants and you can die from choking on water or crackers, bread.
What about all of the vast swaths of land needed for growing crops then? Considering meat is far more nutrient dense compared to majority of plant foods - also majority of things you need to sustain a 'healthy' vegan diet aren't bioavailable in a single country so you need to ship that shit in.
Buy local food and support local farmers and you won't have that issue
I did not say you can't get food poisoning or choke on vegan foods, but the vast majority of cases of food poisoning and choking are on animal products. Fact. Also in almost all cases of food poisoning or contamination of vegan foods, those foods were contaminated by animal products.>>529880
If you studied basic biology and ecology in high school, you'd remember about trophic levels, food webs, and energy loss. Basically - to produce a cow (something you can't eat all of anyway) that cow will end up consuming 10x times the the resources it would have taken to produce plant materials. There is energy loss throughout the entire system. Yes, animal flesh is nutrient dense - but the amount of energy wasted JUST RAISING the animal is immense, this is BEFORE all the costs of sanitation, transport, refrigeration, etc. In other words it's actually more ecologically efficient and good for the world to consume what we're adapted to consume - a diet that's primarily vegan. Yes, humans and all our closest primate relatives prefer to consume a primarily vegan diet, and that's what our digestive systems and bodies thrive on.
>also majority of things you need to sustain a 'healthy' vegan diet aren't bioavailable in a single country so you need to ship that shit in.
This is a complex issue, but think of all the animal products trucked, shipped, even flown every day - and imagine replacing that with vegan foods so that everyone could get adequate nutrition and be happy, without causing immense suffering to other sentient beings.
Literally no. I'm allergic to grains and my boyfriend is on a completely restricted diet because of health issues, there's no 'imagining being vegan' for us because it can't happen. I don't wanna eat processed shit either and the only local whole foods we can get are potatoes, onions and carrots.
Stop pushing veganism on people as if it's correct, when it's quite literally not at all accessible for some
'immense suffering to sentient beings' are the farmers who are being exploited for quinoa and avocado not sentient?
Is it not more fair to reform slaughter houses are rearing standards for animals (though many of those are incredibly high on smaller farms, cos suprise, if people spend their entire lives working with animals, they probably care about them)
There is no adequate vegan diet, you will always need to supplement b12 and many nutrients you cannot access in plant foods.
A quick death and use of the entire animal is not unnecessary suffering, it's what every other carnivore/omnivore does in the world, it's about how to survive best. And for some that includes animal food
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Even assuming you both have extremely restricted diets, there would be no REAL reason to limit yourself to animal flesh. You could be a gluten-free vegan, I don't eat that many grains myself and there are also sorts of foods that you can substitute, for example buckwheat. I won't pressure you, but it IS possible - and its certainly possible that considering the amount of resources spent slaughtering and torturing animals and cleaning up the mess to make Big Macs, society could instead invest that in developing better ways to deliver a nutritionally diverse diet to everyone, so that even people with special needs could get everything they need, and never feel bored.>>529904
Being vegan doesn't mean dismissing the justified complaints of farmers or anyone who works producing vegan foods.
>if people spend their entire lives working with animals, they probably care about them
People spend their whole lives imprisoning other people in their immediate vicinity. Executioners often befriend those they are executing. If someone truly cared about an animal, they wouldn't use that animal as a resource and wouldn't claim to have a right to shorten its life (significantly) by selling its flesh. The suffering is INTRINSIC to the use of animals for food.
>There is no adequate vegan diet, you will always need to supplement b12 and many nutrients you cannot access in plant foods.
Every national or international nutritional organisation on Earth agrees that an adequately planned vegan diet is more than sufficient. Cattle are injected with B12 because they don't get enough in their diets, and this is often carried through to humans, however many people can't even absorb B12 through diet. A B12 pill once a week is hardly significantly more 'artificial' than slaughtering animals with state of the art technology, chemically treating the flesh, packing it in plastic, refrigerating it, and transporting it.
>A quick death and use of the entire animal is not unnecessary suffering
Their entire lives are suffering, and a quick death is not assured, that's a myth. Even with the best bolt guns, abattoir workers are frequently forced to attempt to stun many times before death occurs. Would you agree to having someone bolt gun your coronavirus infected grandmother because it's "quick and humane"? I doubt it.>>529905
I don't know what you're referring to, maybe a handful of incidents of chimps being observed hunting? But these are SOCIAL behaviours which are very complex, all of our closest primate relatives PREFER a predominantly vegan diet when possible (pic related).(offtopic)
We're both on AIP, I just am weaning off dairy. Pls tell me how I would do that lol,
Grain free means no fucking grains at all, not buck(wheat) or any of it
Is this a meme diet? I can't find any sources talking about this diet as a medical recommendation. Everything I find associates it with 'Paleo' dieting, which is as meme as you get.
Buckwheat doesn't contain gluten, it's not a grain. The 'wheat' is just part of the name, it's not wheat.
I can't solve your specific dietary needs, all I can say is that it's very likely that you're either excluding things unnecessarily, that it's likely possible to find alternatives. I seriously doubt that anyone 'needs' to be on an animal flesh-based diet. That makes no sense.
Many vegan foods/plant milks are fortified with B12 anyway so that's barely an issue. Just do your research beforehand and don't be one of those people who "tried going vegan" by eating fries for every meal and then saying it made you sick and weak so it can't possibly be healthy lol
Try watching Earthlings or Dominion to see how necessary animal torture is on a mass scale just so people can eat processed fast foods.
Being defensive is normal when you learn new things!
We cant have potato, or really sweet potato either tbh.
I really don't mind the diet tho, if it means I won't be constantly having ai responses then I'm happy !
Thats good to hear. Keep yourself and your digestive safe. Working around non-packaged foods and cooking all the time wears me out tbh, but its better than eating something I don't like without nightshades or other food triggers
. Dietary anons here. 10/10
Get a slow cooker! We have one and it's really good for chucking shit together and leaving it all day, you can also make really nice coconut milk Curry's in it (if you can have coconut)
Stay safe too xx
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30 DAY LOCKDOWN
I don't think I'm going to see the sun ever again
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To no one's surprise, China seems to have been lying about its figures.
I thought the real numbers would be bad, but I didn't want to believe it was 8 million people bad.
How do you know the virus killed them and not their own government? Or "disappeared" them in forced quarantine. It's an Orwellian shithole over there, anything's possible.
It's pointless looking at the stats from the government because you know they're not going to tell the truth in any case.
>>529379>Only 3 percent of the patients in this study ended up with false negatives
Right, the test isn't 100% and yet they act like it is? If there's at least a 3% margin of error, is that accounted for at all in these massive deaths that are being reported by some outlets? Doubtful.
The Coronavirus family of viruses contain over a hundred different strains, seven of which cause the common cold - some exist naturally within the human virome and never express themselves pathogenically but will potentially cause false positives through the many different COVID-19 testing methods, including PCR.
The origins of COVID-19 have not been positively identified, as with the testing methods, it's mainly guess work. There are still questions as to whether this virus is naturally occurring or manmade (bioweapon).
In the meantime, people should work on strengthening their immune systems by reducing stress, improving diet, etc.
And just come off as completely condescending and shitty in every absolute way they can… eyeroll.jpg
“if you EVEN STUDIED in HIGH SCHOOL….”
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The next time you see the vegan tantrums or anything similar, refer back to >>529423
. Compare the subject matter (veganism), and the way the person in >>529907
I'm deliberately being vague about what sets their posts apart for obvious reasons, but most users here don't structure their posts that way. It's like they're new to using a keyboard or something.
Even 5k post anon's posts are kind of different.
I don't really want to derail the thread over this, but it's irritating how this person won't fuck off. Someone like that categorically doesn't belong here.
Holy fuck. I know it's partly deaths but I'm hoping it's also a lot of censorship. That's being an optimist though.>>529975
I honestly have no idea about daily life in China but from what I've gathered from both the comments and everything else I know is that apparently in China your phone is basically your wallet. Everything is digital and you need a National ID number in order to register for a phone number.
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I'm starting to have doubts about the Corona craze.
The swine flu pandemic in 2009-2010 had between 150,000–575,000 deaths but didn't lead to any lockdowns or hysteria.
This time countries are in full panic mode and governments are quickly creating new laws to combat the virus, such as Denmark implementing forced vaccinations.
Meanwhile we have Bill Gates briefly mention a new "medical certificate" in his Reddit AmA, which connects with his identity2020 project where WHO, the Rockefeller Foundation, credit card companies and governments are going together to create a new ID system in which they implant microchips into all humans that will hold data regarding identity, medical history, transactions and so on. A most Orwellian invention.
I'm not usually one to tinfoil but for the first time I feel like Corona could be a "false flag operation" to create enough panic for people to accept being microchipped to be protected from the virus; the same way we came to accept x-rays at airports after 9/11.
Now some might think the microchips are harmless, but I'm personally worried about how they could be exploited by governments and dictatorships.
Btw they are already microchipping homeless people in Austin: https://medium.com/id2020/welcome-the-city-of-austin-to-the-id2020-alliance-76b0ebe6776
And the population of Bangladesh: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/id2020-alliance-launches-digital-id-program-with-government-of-bangladesh-and-gavi-announces-new-partners-at-annual-summit-300921926.html
A thought on their motivation for this may be that they can't tax people that doesn't own a bank account or identity docs. I live in a third world country and poor people make business in cash, by providing freelance services such as cleaning/gardening/parking guards/building and so on. They earn like 20 dollars per day in cash, that they use to buy food and other essentials. I guess they want to start taxing these people by implementing a digital transaction system inside the implants, so they can't make transactions without the government's knowledge. That's one theory at least.
It's going to be interesting to see how many countries will enforce "forced vaccinations + microchip" laws this year.
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The 1% deathrate is based on current diagnosed cases and skewed by Italy where deaths that would've been labeled as complications of lung cancer/blood pressure have been marked as Coronavirus caused deaths. WHO has already admitted that the amount of infections might be 20-30 times larger because 99% of the cases only get mild symptoms, so a lot of people might unknowingly already have suffered through the virus. If we have 300 000 reported infections, that means the realistic amount would actually be closer to anywhere between 6-9 million.
This brings the death rate much lower than 1%, around 0.16%. Which is the exact number being reported as the reported mortality rate in many regions already, such as in every other Chinese province besides Wuhan which is already known for extreme pollution issues. In the entire country the mortality rate has been 0.7%. Germany has 22364 confirmed cases and only 84 deaths (0,38%) because they test a stupid amount of people while other countries focus on testing only those with severe symptoms (due to insufficient resources), thus supporting this theory. Other flu pandemics have always had an initial high death rate but as time goes by it's always calculated to be much lower than predicted.
just dont go outside and get infected
yeah i guess his point is valid
Boomers are idiots and I hope they get whatever is coming to them. My local Walmart and other supermarkets was stacked with boomers since martial law even begin from open to close, on top of that they're causing traffic to be even worse and get in wrecks all because somehow in their pea brains "don't leave your house unless you need to" translates to "let's go to Walmart"
Fucking pitiful, natural selection will take its place very soon
I am seriously frsutrated and worried: My grandmother does not give one fuck about this entire situation. She is 88, has issues with her heart, and her allover condition makes it quite clear that, should she become infected, she would not be able to survive. But she just keeps right on doing what she´s always done, taking zero precautions. She walks around outside amongst people, she doesn´t wash her hands more often than usual, she touches her face, all that stuff. She lives in this complex for old people, not a nursing home though, I don´t know the English word. All the people who live there have their own apartment and can basically do their own thing, but they can get help for a bunch of things. There is a dining room where people can eat three times a day, everyday there are activites being organized, and all the people who live there have an emergency bracelet that they can call for help with at any time. Because of the virus they have to follow special rules now, too, and many of the activites were cancelled and people are only allowed to sit in groups of 5 or less when they eat in the dining room. When the announced these rules my grandma called my parents, all surprised about what is happening. She does watch the news and all, but she really does not seems to be able to understand how serious this whole situation is, especially for someone of her age, and this worries me a lot. My parents tried to make her understand the situation by telling her very directly that she will die if she becomes infected, but she either does no understand or does not care - she continues to live like nothing out of the ordinary is happening and she said to my parents that she can´t stay inside alone all the time, period. I do understand that she doesn´t want to be alone, but for fuck´s sakes, she could at least try to be a little less active out there. I really wish I could stop her from going outside all the time but unfortunately nothing is coming through to her and I already fear that the worst is going to happen. At least my parents, who are both just about 70, understand how serious this all is and are very careful. But my grandma… oh God, WHY??>>530148
Considering the amount of people below 30 who don´t just act irresponsibly because they genuinely think it´s not a serious situation, but understand the situation quite well and still celebrate spring break or even "corona parties", I don´t think the boomers are all that bad.
Nice job strawmanning them
Being HEALTHY helps with the virus, not being skinny. Being fat is not healthy. And if you wanna try to argue that being healthy won't help then good fucking luck with that
Maybe all that lead exposure back then really fucked up their minds.
Also think they've been spoiled by being able to live this long that they can disregard dangers either because "nothing will happen, it's not the end of the world" or "even if it was the end, I had a good long life anyways"
My father was actually gloating that my generation and beyond are fucked so he's glad he most likely won't experience it [for much longer]
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The swine flu (H1N1) of 2009 infected about 16% (between 11% and 21%) of the world population in 1 year and 6 months, causing around three hundred and fifty thousand deaths at the time
Using this data on a population of 7 billion and 800 million people (right now) yields a result of about 1 billion and 250 million infected people
- Case fatality 9,6% (2003 SARS): 125 million deaths
- Case fatality 30% (2012 MERS): 375 milion deaths
- Case fatality 12% (Covid-2019 up to March 22): 150 million deaths
- Case fatality 0.2% (H1N2 and H3N2): 2.5 million deaths
Hopefully the total case fatality for this virus will go down to 1% and then approach 0.2% as time passes by
Exactly what I was implying with >>530153
. It's just blatantly out of place, reeks of desperate male
I try to be opportunistic and use this newly gained freetime for exercising tons and improving my skin care. Restricting your food intake and therefore weakening yourselves in times like this is dumb af, if you really fall ill then you'll need every pound.
Good hygiene, enough sleep and moving your body is the key to staying fit and sane.
I don't really care what you do, I just think you're shilling your videos to the wrong audience and it's a bit embarrassing. Have a nice day, hope you get lots of (You)s>>530210
Nayrt and I don't wish death on anyone (especially not fat people) but it's kind of hard not to develop intense disdain for Americans when you live in America, I think
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This thread is poppin
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and all that because some pieces of shit of all ages insisted on going outside and travelling en masse instead of sitting fucking inside.fuck you all irresponsible assholes
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A little assblasted but not assblasted enough to sit here responding instantly, kek