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No. 746147
Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that. Vendetta-chans, twitterfags and antis need to leave. Don't feed the trolls that visit, for fucks sake. And no, talking about an art cow and calling them out out their bullshit isn't being a
TERF.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom Discourse! (Basically antis losing their shit for pathetic reasons)
SCREENCAP EVERYTHING!
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://anony.link/https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://anony.link/https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://anony.link/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
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No. 746221
>>746165>>746210I don't know if it's everybody but at least this guy comissioned him
ironically haha for the keks n giggles
I dunno american economy but if he got maybe 5 ironic comissions per month he's basically set of
No. 746269
>>746147How are people still commissioning him? His art is shit and ugly.
Whoever wanted that Mikasa must have had a plan or something and was trying to make him look worse lmfao
No. 746297
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No. 746342
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>>746306>Thread locked within an hourAs for the milk side of things we get to see "KICK ME JASON" printed in bold. Lovely.
No. 746396
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>>746165what really is sending me for some reason is that he uploaded a video of the inking process like it's some magnificent work of art worth being watched as it comes to life
No. 746449
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There’s yet another trend happening on Twitter called “#interpvscanon”, what are your thoughts on it anons?
No. 746451
>>746449It's nice. I personally like seeing people's different interpretations of canon. Quality of art varies, but I think as long as your attitude is chill there's nothing wrong with it.
There are people who get very conceited about their designs being 'better' than canon and that is annoying but I haven't seen it much with this tag.
No. 746476
>>746475>>746473Why does this get you guys so mad? Is anime your life or something?
Idc about race bending shit but the reactions to this seem autistic and delusional too
No. 746477
>>746449I think it’s cool but unfortunately it’s usually centered where asian characters are “rebranded”. It comes off as erasing a minority in media with a “better” minority.
I think people misguide their hate for lack of misrepresentation created by Western Hollywood to every other media. Eastern media isn’t suppressing and purposely erasing people. Japanese companies create media to appeal to their Japanese audience, they don’t really give a shit about others.
No. 746480
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Not completely related to this conversation, but I feel like some anons in this thread purposefully act like all racebend art is "ugly" when there are tons of racebend drawings that look great. I don't agree with making an asian character another race, but pic rel is Jack Samurai interpretation vs canon that I thought was very aesthetically pleasing.
The racebend argument in this thread is overdone anyway. I feel like it's either this or something about tracing and the digital vs trad art argument.
No. 746482
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>>746480Samefag, racebent Panty and Stocking artwork that was shared a while back that I really like
No. 746483
>>746476it’s a light-skinned asian character being blackwashed because twitfags who typically aren’t black in the first place see
POC who aren’t dark-skinned black people as less-than. on top of that, it’s also atrociously ugly. sorry you’re upset about people being salty on a thread specifically created for that purpose!
No. 746484
>>746476Imo I don't completely care cuz ultimately it doesn't hurt anyone so getting as mad as the other anons is kinda spergy yeah, but I personally find it cringe.
Basically shoving yourself into a character is kinda "petty" almost, and the idea I get is they actually take racebending pretty seriously and think they're actually doing something so important and fighting society or something.
But ultimately it doesn't hurt anybody so if they're just having fun then let them (plus it's only one more week until february ends lol)
No. 746493
>>746490How am I being willfully obtuse by saying that not all racebend art is ugly? A lot of anons here act like all of that kind of art is bad, but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's racebend and everything to do with the artist. Like I said in my post, I don't even agree with people "erasing" other races, making black characters look like stereotypes and I definitely don't agree with making dark characters lightskinned. The above anon is also right in saying that most artists making those black caricature-looking artwork are not black, or even
poc.
No. 746497
>>746480>>746482These are cool! I think overall there's nothing wrong about reimagining character different race, especially if said different race is underrepresented - and what is at first maybe just some twitter hashtag may be eventually an inspiration for actual companies to maybe start including more and more of it, be it for clout or for more honorable reasons - ultimately the more variety the better.
This said it does feel kinda odd scrolling down that #interpvscanon top posts and maybe 1 out of 10 is not reimagining character as black, as if other races or other concepts on how said character can be reimagined don't exists. I'm not gonna go anywhere and complain but would be cool to see people get more creative there than just "i'll keep everything but make them black".
No. 746538
>>746396Damn, not only is that drawing shitty, but it's shitty in a way that doesn't even remotely resemble his style. Can a
person jump the shark?
Man, I still get sad thinking about how Butch's shitty personality totally obliterated peoples' goodwill for him and his work. I think in the early 2000s, he had some fantastic ideas, and though his art style isn't very versatile, I can understand its appeal. It's hard to even appreciate those things anymore, because now he's 50% enormous ego and 50% desperate sellout. Christ, why can't he just be respectable and keep moving on to new projects like Maxwell Atoms?
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>>746558this is probably what I imagine you to look like after saying that stupid shit anon
No. 746703
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>>746449Kind of cringe, it's basically just #Blacktober revisited.
No. 746816
>>746306>>746342Why are you so obsessed?
She's as autistic as any other artist.
I'm starting to think it's the same anon desperately trying to have us against her. At least post milk so we can have something to chew on. Not just "she remade".
No. 746934
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>>746801It's pretty much a post your fanart, tag. You can post whatever you want in it.
No. 746999
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>>746703Yup, pretty much.
No. 747101
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I’m starting to get munchie vibes
No. 747127
>>747101>>747120I do think that this artist is a tad heavy handed on the disabled front. I don't doubt that she is disabled, but everything on top of that with organ failure? And if you have a look at the gofundme it's just full of several illnesses.
Once again, I'm sure she's actually ill, but as anon said, it does seem a bit like she's milking it for the dog. As she's someone who works in the animation industry, I'm surprised that she doesn't have the surplus to help save up for the dog, but then again I forget that healthcare isn't free in the US. Okay enough rambling, I also had to unfollow her because a lot of things felt so disingenuous.
No. 747170
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>>747101So they sent her home in less than a day and didn't even admit her for her "organ failure"… yeah, this is munch as fuck. I'd bet money that she'll ramp it up pretty soon, maybe cop a tube or two.
Does anyone know what disability or disease she's claiming to have? All I can find from a brief scroll is vague "chronic illness/pain".
No. 747195
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>>747170She says "chronic sensitive sensitization [fibromyalgia], intermittent xiphoiditis, a weakened immune system, interstitial cystitis, a bad sports injury"
I recall reading that the "sports injury" as she calls it now was the result of either jumping or falling from a balcony but I can't find the tweets anymore.
No. 747198
>>747104Maybe it’s the new zoomer apathetic culture but outsiders it comes off as bad taste to post shit like this.
>updating social media on your healthOk
>posting a photo with funny stickers and filters in the ERKind of trashy
No. 747285
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Gonna give an opinion that might be a bit unpopular but animebros get way too defensive of their big tiddy drawings to the point where they really just looks like triggered spergs (ironic because they're the ones accusing everyone else of being triggered).
I don't care about the "unrealistic proportions sexualise women" angle, but if a character has absolutely ridiculous proportions I will find that funny and laught at it lmao. Claiming "she's a cartoon!!!" is a "muh style" tier defense and I will laugh at you cuz you're obviously coping and seething (and are probably a coom brain wich makes the coping funnier)
Dudes out there literally getting triggered cuz someone said their waifu is ugly kkkkkk
They're literally getting offended by jokes c'mon the irony just gets lost in them
No. 747329
>>747306Lmao it goes both ways, they’re both unnecessary
It takes less power to just not comment.
Equally by commenting they open themselves up to being owned.
No. 747358
>>747285i agree, these bros get "
triggered" just like all the "liberal sjw snowflakes" they like to make fun of. the big boob bad anatomy is just as hilarious as the unintentionally racist diversity art. there's a way to draw sexy women that actually look human and these guys don't have to draw that way, but then they shouldn't get so defensive when we laugh at their weird looking drawings of women
No. 747365
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How can you steal a style that was not original to begin with? I was not able to find the “stolen style pic” to actually compare. Her style is about the same as 90% of artists on IG that draws pretty face kpop girls
No. 747388
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>>747285Honestly I'm more peeved that animebros/weebs/coomers are defending this absolute mess of art
No. 747400
>>747388All oppai loli retards need get the rope.
>>747391They live in constant fear that someoneelse will do their job better than them since muh-style fags are almost always turd polishers.
No. 747480
>>747474she gotta pop out stupid shit every second or else she dies
lol opening up that link i'm flooded with this dumb hashtag #intervscanon
wtf is this shit
kagome in a wheelchair, what's wrong with these people omg
No. 747485
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>>747365I was going to write about why I think "art style theft" (I don't like calling it that, sounds dumb) can definitely be a thing in determinate cases and the style being copied doesn't need to be super unique and original, but I looked at pegacon_lee's art and imo this is not one of those cases. I can definitely see the inspiration but it's not a 1:1 replica, which is what "style theft" is to me. They look crazy for saying they want to kill the other artist over this.
No. 747518
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>>747365>>747485they cry "muh art style!!" but they look like a poorman's LittleThunder. Nothing new about drawing pretty girls with flowers and pink.
No. 747553
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>>747474Her entire Social media presence survival depends on being viewed as an unabashed callout queen. The good thing this time is that she doesn't have any supporters for this shitty take.
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No. 747571
>>747388let's be honest, they'll be the first ones watching the newest season despite complaining about it.
its a mess of a design but lbr complainers and people making a big deal about it will still be gushing about their lesbian the moment the first episode comes out which makes it hilarious they're complaining and getting mad when people tell them to shove it.
off topic but i really don't see the point in complaining about designs you don't like to the point you go "lol angry weeb loosers" when people tell you to go shove it. every new anime it's the same rinse and repeat of people complaining and those same complainers complaining the show didn't cater to them all the way through or complaining their precious show is filled with weebs.
it's annoying af that they have no self-awareness. or maybe i just don't have time in my life to complain about anime characters anymore idk
No. 747572
>>747560Y'all literally evil. A teenager kills themselves because of targeted harassment and your takeaway is 'maybe they shouldn't have written fetish fanfiction'.
Harassment has a HUGE impact on someone's mental health. To claim it's just a 'you' problem when someone's getting dozens, if no hundreds, of hate messages is so selfish and egotistical. No one deserves to be threatened because they've got some degenerate fetishes y'all vanilla asses don't like.
No. 747575
>>747560>>747556to my knowledge, the youtuber in question doesn't mind/care but you can say "don't write hardcore gore about real people" and "Don't tell people to kill themselves over fanfiction you don't like" and those statements coexist.
the issue is people pushed the person in question to commit suicide and aren't evaluating how they interact with people can actually affect them. These are often dozens if not hundreds of messages, people calling you an abuser, a horrible person, etc. and not just one rando doing it. I'm pretty sure if the YTer found out, they'd be more disgusted with how people responded rather than the fanfiction itself.
y'all sound like the people that be like "Well they had a heart condition so they didn't really die of covid." when it comes to stuff like this. Yeah they had other shit going on but maybe evaluate how you actually interact with people so you don't end up contributing?
No. 747586
>>747583It's my last post because I don't want to get banned for infighting so please focus:
we're not talking about true crime documentaries that show real events that happened or fictional stories about fictional people. Imagine a situation in which someone writes a story about you being brutally murdered. Would you also defend their right to do so?
No. 747592
>>747576Wait how is saying
>"if you don't like reading about real people being brutally tortured, raped and murdered, look away"fucked up.
If someone is putting shit you don't like in their works of fiction, why go out of your way to consume said work and then bitch about it on the internet?
No. 747595
incoming blogpost
https://twitter.com/greymalkin117/status/1364361054856306689?s=20Can twitter artists quit being vile for five minutes and learn how to handle content they don't like, find
triggering, or discomforting like actual adults? Another artist doxxed and this time actually fired/possibly blacklisted for it.
All these sexual predators in animation and people get canceled over fiction.
>>747576So if you find telling people to not look at content they find disturbing to be fucked up, what should people do then??
cause if you constantly engage in it and tell people about it, you just expose more people to the content and no amount of "harassment is bad!!" will stop people from harassing others over it.
yeah rpf (and fanfiction in general about an actual person that isn't a historical/dead/public domain figure imo) gore is pretty fucked up, but it's the internet. You don't have to make your opinion about how vile something fictional is known to everyone and comment on the person's page along with dozens if not hundreds of other people.
Like, i find rpf gross and I will state that on my own thread but im not gunna go around to the artist and tell everyone about how gross this specific person is when there actually is much worse in the world than fanfiction about a person.
>>747586NTA but if the alternative was to let people tell them to go kill themselves and/or have that person commit suicide, then yeah. One of those things is significantly worse than the other and I'd blast anyone who, especially if they do it "on my behalf", decided that rather than blocking and muting people who make it, they contribute to harassing or them harming themselves.
like i said, rpf is gross af but if you go out of your way to harass people (or contribute it, or downplay what they're going through, or try to be like "Well harassment is wrong but what they write is gross", etc.) until they commit suicide you're significantly worse because you've actually harmed or contributed to the harm of another individual.
>>747592That too. If you find something fucked up, why go out of your way to interact with the person making it? im so damn tired of people complaining about things they don't like while also going out of their way to actively find and interact with it.
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>>747617>I don't know why you guys are acting like it's so controversial to say that writing that kind of stuff is gross and it's going to get you mean comments.We are not. read the rules of the thread.
>twitterfags and antis need to leave.Twitterfags and antis are the people who will lose their shit over someone writing something that's obviously gross. Yes it's gross we know. No need for captain obvious to point it out. And the other anon didn't just say "this stuff is gross", they said gross fics DESERVED backlash even after it led to someone's death.
No. 747723
>>747722Well, the main catch is being super active. Post a lot, get lots of engagement etc. Use only one or two hashtags per post- don't use too many.
Checking out what time of the day the platform becomes more active also helps.
No. 747874
>>747560If hardcore gore RPF fanfic is the line you choose to create when it comes excusing harassment to the point someone inflicting self-harm on themselves/potential suicide, then you need to end your time on the internet. This is the tip of the iceberg.
Don't like, don't read. The block button is there for a reason, filter out the tags, don't look at it. Take your own activity into your own hands and let the degenerates fucking be. I highly doubt the person that wrote the fic actually wanted to gore whoever-the-fuck they wrote about. Someone mentioned Dipper Goes to Taco Bell; are the twitterfags going to cancel that fic, too? What about all the damn BTS Omegaverse fics?
'
Problematic content' only has as much power as you give it. Give it nothing, it gains nothing.
No. 747900
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>>747560>"Freaks">"Not a cyberbullying fandom cop problem"Let me guess, Raymond is your comfort character?
No. 747932
>>747874NTA, and not defending the people who pearl clutch, but if you're delicate enough that people sperging out at you over some fucking fanfiction is enough to make you commit suicide instead of just blocking them/changing accounts, you shouldn't really be online, or at least you should keep the content you're that sensitive and easily
triggered about private. The fragility goes both ways.
You seriously don't need to post everything publicly, and it's unreasonable to expect people to
not react badly when you're writing gore/rape about real, existing human beings. The internet as a mass, public "thing" will never coddle anyone, literally anyone is vulnerable to mean comments/harassment (some more than others, especially when it comes to content like this) and if you can't handle that, you need to step away.
No. 747960
>>747553I dont want to out myself, but I used to be mutuals with thus girl and all the other discourse artists that pop up in these threads. I even used to follow their private accounts.
I'll be honest, I only maintained mutualism with this person because I felt bad for her. She dishes so much shit on main but she would be crying how she hates herself more or less in her private account.
I honestly didn't mind the discourse at first but it was frustrating to witness her going HAW HAW fuck pedophile/racist/weird people. But immediately cry if someone yelled at her back. It got super frustrating to the point where it was like if all of these drama and fights are so stressful, then why do you keep engaging in it, you know?
A lot of my friends still follow her but many of them were pretty honest it was to just watch the discourse because their art isn't that great.
Anyways, saging for my blogpost. Im just frustrated to see how this user actively hurts herself but it's those dam proshippers that ruins her day
No. 747962
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>>747388Pfffpt reminds me of pic related
No. 747965
>>747924The thing is, that most of those fanfics are written by the 12 years old in question, I mean, who the fuck over the age of fucking 18 plays
Minecraft unironically while watching
Minecraft YouTubers? Probably only mentally and emotionally stunted adults, and then, the real solution would be telling them on private about how it’s quite fucked and weird of them, as if their friends wouldn’t tell them.
Also, if this bothers you so much, go to gorechan and tell all of those actually pedofillic adults to stop drawing fucked up drawings, you could also look for actual fucked up artists and do your own little crusade to see how it would go.
I don’t get why you twitterfags bitch about a random person writing some retarded fanfiction that gets a few hits from a niche fandom, and not at the people actually posting fucked up shit that’s popular and give them enough bank to maintain themselves with it.
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>>747965>writing some retarded fanfiction that gets a few hits from a niche fandomthis is the 9th result by hits out of 106085 on the whole "video blogging rpf" tag on ao3, with 137570. It's not niche that's the point. Why shouldn't the author's actions have consequences? Sorry I can't bring myself to care if the person who sat down and wrote the tag "wilbur rapes tommy (a 16 year old) lol" can't handle being insulted for it
I'm not in the fandom (?) btw and I'm not a twitterfag, if anything I think the people defending that stuff are, afaik that's where mcyt fans congregate the most
No. 747991
>>747988Still, it’s not a normie matter that makes parents say
>yo What the fuckWhich leads me to the other point, why the fuck are you not getting this mad over actual pedophiles like, say, Strawberrymilk who’s got a thread in here and everything? Do you even know the age of the person who wrote that fanfic? Do you have pictures of them that outs them as an adult shipping children? It’s just retarded.
No. 747999
>>747988No one denies that it is weird or gross but most rpf about minors is written
by other minors.
all these actual predators on the internet and y'all take fanfiction/fiction in general as the biggest sign someone might be a serial killer.
No. 748010
>>747999samefag
but if you take whether or not someone writes or approves of a certain kind of fiction as a sign of whether or not they're a predator, you're going to miss a lot of predators.
will wheaton was an outspoken male feminist iirc and got outed for abuse and ive seen numerous other people who were outspoken against bad and awful fanfictions only to get outted for being child groomers or sex pests… weirdly enough, their threads detailing what happened are filled with the same people who call someone a pedo over shipping telling them they hope they have a good recovery and come back. Why???
No. 748032
>>747991>why the fuck are you not getting this mad over actual pedophiles like, say, StrawberrymilkNta, but we're all anonymous. You don't know what else that anon has posted on this site or anywhere else
>>747999It's concerning minors are making that kind of content anyway. Teenagers who make those kinds of fics are the same ones on social media talking about how they have rape kinks
I don't know why you guys are going so hard to defend fanfiction like that. Do they deserved to be relentlessly harassed over it? Nope. Should people be encouraged to kill themselves over it? Not at all, but if you make that kind of stuff you will get negative feedback. You can apply the same argument of "don't like, don't read" to "don't make fanfiction with extreme themes if you can't handle rude comments"
No. 748059
>>748032If we were their parents, I’m sure most of us would tell them to stop being so fucked up and find a way to solve their mental issues, but we’re not, and when a random stranger tells a kid “what you’re doing is kind of fucked up” they will send death threats and/or just block your ass for being nosy.
Unless you guys want to create some sort of “responsibility on the internet”organization or something, I don’t get why we should talk about kids doing fucked up things.
We should focus on the adults that are fucked up and that should get exposed and laughed at for being fucked up.
No. 748082
>>748060this entire time we've been talking about harassment. don't try to be like "some negative feedback" when everyone has been talking about harassment to try to hide it.
>>748059ngl i'd be more concerned if my children were telling people to die over fanfiction. Not to mention, a "responsibility of the internet" is a good way to get a lot of kids groomed cause predators (as they have in the past) just adapt the language of "antis" and the "morally good" people but have no problems grooming someone behind closed doors.
If in the grand scheme of things the most fucked up thing you've done in your life is make some fictional content, you're doing better than most other people esp considering that many of the "not fucked up" (according to their fictional tastes at least) adults have histories of abuse and predation. Hell i remember a story coming about about a reylo anti who raped their friend and tried to justify it by saying they liked rape anyways.
No. 748083
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>>747991what makes you think I don't care about real pedos? What does that even have to do with anything? My only point is that "harassment" is the consequence of their actions. Maybe I'm jaded but I've been told to kms for way less on the internet, it's just how it is and I'm pretty sure these edgelord tumblr girls know that better than anyone. In fact the other anon asked if I was the one directly harassing them but I would never because for most of them I'm sure all the outrage just validates their 3edgy5me shtick. also let's stop acting like a bunch of (very warranted) rude comments about a fanfiction are the worst thing that could ever happen to someone, pic related. If someone really killed themselves over that they were extremely mentally ill to begin with and shouldn't have been on the internet in the first place
No. 748088
>>748083
>If people kill themselves because someone told them to they were already mentally ill and shouldn't be on the internet to begin withyou sound like the same people that say someone dying of covid just had heart complications and therefor covid didn't kill them. funny that the same people who cry about cyber bullying not being real are the same kinds that be privating once someone target they asses.
not to mention, you can actually go to jail if someone kill themselves and you get caught. is it really worth saying "Yeah I'm in jail cause someone killed themselves after I told them to."? I've been told to kms over less too, doesn't mean that people just need to "toughen up" it means people need to stop doing it.
No. 748093
>>748083Anon, one thing is a kid receiving 2, maybe 3 edgy
>lol kys comments But having over 300 people constantly wishing for their deaths is fucked up. I don’t care if you were constantly told to kill yourself as a kid, but that doesn’t mean other kids deserve such things, specially when they’re as unstable as being able to write gore to publish it on the internet.
Exactly because edgy kids are edgy, they shouldn’t get harassed for being edgy.
Again, the only people that needs to get harassed for being gross are confirmed adults, not literal 16 years olds writing about their retarded parasocial boyfriends.
No. 748105
>>748096The difference between here and Twitter is that people who visit are probably already thick skinned to some degree and two, most of us aren’t going around actually, directly telling someone to off themselves or brigading/cowtipping. We’re off on our own corner of the internet shit talking, not tagging and spreading rumors on Twitter. I mean, you might be but most don’t. >>748098
It could be, but if they’re old enough to tell the difference between reality and fiction the damage is minimal if any at all. Otherwise we’d be banning everything over moral purity and because “it might hurt someone” despite the number of predators who say “don’t hurt people” or take stances against fucked up content but then groom someone or abuse them behind closed doors.
No. 748116
>>748105>Otherwise we’d be banning everything over moral purity and because “it might hurt someone”That's the point, you can't ban fucked up rpf but you can criticize the people who write it and be vocal about how wrong it is.
I don't agree with "don't like it, don't read" when it comes to rpf because there's just something fundamentally wrong about publishing rape porn or underage porn about real people in particular, and I think the authors deserve to be shamed for sharing it, if that's the twitterfag position then I guess I agree with the twitterfags
No. 748123
>>748116But the issue is that telling someone to stop being retarded by writing fucked up shit is not enough for twitterfags, they send
lol kys you sick fuck comments instead of just telling them that they need to stop.
I don’t get why is it so difficult to understand that being unnecessarily aggressive to underage retards usually just makes the retarded kids want to kill themselves instead of helping them with understanding that they need to stop writing crazy shit.
No. 748124
>>748111If they have a kink to seek out and do it with adults, they assume whatever risks come with that or are at least responsible for themselves. But if they’re a teenager, most of them can’t even go to the store to buy condoms without being sus or embarrassed.
>>748116I agree with vocally criticizing rpf (whether sfw or nsfw), esp of minors but what I’m trying to say is specifically targeting someone or criticizing them just for the topic they wrote about rather than it being rpf just leads to banning everything and doing nothing towards actual predators. Mb on crappy wording but that’s basically what I’m trying to get it. Criticize it for being rpf rather than criticizing the content/topic of it. Maybe I’m biased cause I’ve seen too many people criticize the content of something for being gross but then turn out to have done worse.
No. 748131
>>748123I guess I assume that people writing that stuff are already perfectly aware how messed up it is. I also have trouble seeing how someone, even as a teenager, can be so desensitized to rape, gore, and underage porn to the point of producing it themsleves,
about real people, and sharing it publicly, but too sensitive for "kys" comments
No. 748138
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>>748131Okay, anon, have fun telling kids to kill themselves, we don’t need to help them, just let them hate the world more than before they wrote an obvious cry for help.
Maybe get a bunch of people to help you with it so they get over it as quick as possible, also doxx them, it will make the world a better place. You’re the hero we needed, the Batman of the internet.
No. 748148
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Apparently saintcake wasn't even talking about that situation so I guess you guys wasted all those posts for nothing
No. 748158
>>748150>>748148Samefag, Saintcakes bio says she's 23 so I feel like she's a little too old to be doing all of this but I get it. I'm sure having a bunch of people accuse you of pushing someone to suicide in a situation you had no knowledge of is frustrating and who wants that on their record?
Also, incase it's not clear, I'm guessing what happened is Saintcakes talked shit about that loli dragon maid character and a bunch of coomers got mad at her so they involved her in some kind of mcy drama and accused her of harassing someone to the point of suicide which lead to her saying this
>>747553.
No. 748176
>>747939How do we even know someone killed themselves? I haven't seen any proof one way or the other, just people aggressively claiming it.
It'd make more sense if they deleted their account and claimed to be dead because they wanted people to leave them alone.
No. 748295
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>>747595ok so I had to do a double take because the artist who was doing the callout regarding that Ang person is someone I used to be friends with in high school. I'm glad I lost contact cause holy fuck.
I kinda miss the days of being online, seeing something you don't like and then ignoring it. It's kind of frightening to think that if you draw something that others may find discomforting you can lose your livelihood over it.
No. 748463
>>748438>the internet changed, just adapt if you so insist of keeping up being a wierdo. The only change is the type of humor and meme from the Internet. These weirdo will be not change and always in the Internet since in the beginning.Get used it .
>fictional writing tells a lot about the mental wellbeing of the person. Yeah Anon I bet my favorite horror and thriller scriptwriter and manga author is some sicko, creepy pscyho.lol
Just stop anon
No. 748465
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>>748429>>7483951/3
These are the tweets that led up to that one. I don't see it. How is this subtweeting about the mcy stuff? Interestingly enough, she mentions someone named Zami, gut no mentions of any minecraft youtubers, or even fanfic authors committing suicide. I feel like you guys are just trying to hold her accountable for this for no reason.
No. 748482
>>748473I always love how they try to brand straight out slander as "criticizing". Oh yeah remember when instead of writing their opinion, movie critics were sending directors twitter DMs and making public callout posts that they're gross
abusive pedo perverts who should fucking kill themselves already? Sharp, thought-provoking criticism right there.
No. 748486
>>748438>schizo-chan doesn’t know the difference between fiction and reality Edgy teenagers are edgy, they write edgy stuff because they’re retarded.
Also, not only you can write anything as an exercise, even if
gasp you don’t like the theme. But you can also write about something even if you’re not okay with it or you don’t support in reality.
The internet has changed because now you have to be a reflection of your creations, so if I wrote about a child grooming mtf who fucks animals, I must either be one, support them or fetishize them because those are the extremes you retards like to reach.
No. 748508
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Ok the way they're talking about this exactly like how they talk about racism or homophobia is a bit cringe ngl
No. 748516
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>>748148Sa1ntcakes is protected now so I can’t access my original link to it but this is a screenshot from when I shared what she posted to a friend.
Is she literally said “a fanfic writer committed suicide…” and didn’t mention anything about a stalker until now.
No. 748517
>>748486and other edgy teenagers are edgy and say "kys" it's not that deep. If an adult is getting involved in this shit and harassing said teens that's cringe and they should kill themsleves too but that's not what's happening here
>>748438extremely based
>>748508>I'm opressed because I like cooming to rape rpflmfao can't make this shit up
No. 748520
>>748490Are you dense? People are discussing the general vibe of these fandom "antis" and their narrative. Get a clue. And even when it comes to her she's obviously backpedaling from dropping a hot take on someone committing suicide over internet harassment.
>>748508>>748517>hehe lmao people being ruined by internet mob mentality over fanfics is sooooo funny kekYou need to be over 18 to post here, anons.
No. 748521
>>748516Idk, I still feel like she's not at fault for this. It doesn't seem like this came up until
>>748465 so it makes sense she's saying people are using it as a "gotcha". A fanfiction author killing themselves doesn't have anything to do with her criticizing anime, so why did it need to be brought up? Are people just not allowed to criticize any kinds of media? A lot about this just doesn't make any sense.
No. 748523
>>748520no one said that, stop overreacting, any opinion besides your own ≠ "I hate you and I want you to kill yourself". Ironic how it's the supposedly "
problematic" ones being insufferable moralfags here
No. 748540
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>>748521Samefag, these are the tweets that prompted the "you drove a fanartist to suicide" shit. Literally why does that matter in relation to these tweets? Who is killing themselves because a twitter artist said a loli character with big boobs looks stupid? This isn't about "antis" (I honestly don't even completely know what that is).
I'm not trying to wk so this'll be my last post about it, but it makes 0 sense to say this person is harassing people and driving people to suicide because of tweets she made about an anime character. That has nothing to do with the fanfic author or anyone else who committed suicide. That person definitely tried to use someone's death as a "gotcha" and it's weird you guys are trying to defend using someone's suicide to defend your loli waifu
No. 748551
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>>748473>>748516>>748148>>748150>>748469>>748488sage because samefag.She's full of shit and lying to boot. It feels like an outright backpedal to try to defend herself.
They also usually try to say writing gross shit is a sign that someone is not mentally well but like… that doesn't help their point. If someone isn't mentally well, why would you encourage people to en masse tell them to kill themselves and that they're an awful person? At that point, you're aware of what you're doing so you can't say "Didn't know what they were going through." And if something makes you uncomfortable, why would you intentionally seek it out? Like I'm not over here trying to look at guro but then going around telling guro artists to kill themselves like common and often times the harassment and getting told by random strangers
is the breaking point so I really don't get what she's trying to say.
though yeah she did criticize the oppai loli dragon, she's the same kind of person or crowd that will say it's gross but then still watch when the first episode comes out. Dragon maid is popular but still niche enough that you need to actually look for the content of it. I follow mostly weeb shit on my TL and even I didn't see shit from dragon maid which basically implies these people looked up something for a show they will either watch anyways or won't watch (which means the criticism is pointless) and then try to act tough when people start snapping back at them even if they're weebs.
It doesn't help that she almost always has awful takes (I think I had seen one of hers about DMMD) so people prob have an extremely low tolerance for her constant BS and complaining about everything.
>>748439How tf is she able to just get donations post a god awful post about people using death shortly after a fanfic writer killed themselves and after an artist had been doxxed and lost not one, but two jobs because a "friend" decided to expose their private NSFW content?
>>748375Ngl it kinda is his comeuppance. He basically did the same thing to someone else and now the internet has decided to do it right back to him. Kids, this is why you don't doxx and expose private information about people for the world to see when the worst crime someone has done is fictional drawings and it's an open secret that animation and other industries are riddle with sexual abusers and predators.
>>748521It comes from the same thread about her saying people are using death as a "gotcha" in response to people talking about how fandom harassment leads to people committing suicide. I don't think it's related to criticizing anime giving how hard she tries to play
victim but then go right back to the same shit that made her private in the first place. and this was all within like? The last month? With the way she phrased it, she makes it sound like people are trying to say that everyone has to be comfortable with everything or else someone will die rather than saying people shouldn't go out of their way to harass people and send death threats. Rather than saying "This tweet came at poor timing shortly after someone actually had been driving to commit suicide after getting harassed and death threats" like a mature person she just dug herself deeper and now it looks like it was either about a stalker or anime, but given how many times she backpedals and goes back to the same shit it feels like she's just trying to cover her own ass.
She's complained that no one likes her and was gunna permanently deactivate and privated, got a bunch of gay people mad at her and privated after she trash-talked DMMD, And now has gotten into a fight with the weebs and posted a god awfully timed take and tried to backpedal and is now private again. ffs if you're going to make a living pissing off and making fun of people you don't like at least don't private like a bitch while crying about it.
No. 748563
>>748551Tbh, I've seen stuff about the dragonmaid thing in my tl, and I only follow a couple accounts about one specific anime. I think it may have even been brought up in a thread here? I don't think it's some niche thing that no one really knows about
>It comes from the same thread about her saying people are using death as a "gotcha" in response to people talking about how fandom harassment leads to people committing suicide. I don't think it's related to criticizing animeBut wasn't that thread made because of her criticizing anime? The way I understand it
>saintcakes talks shit about weebs >weeb says she drove a fanartist to suicide (look at the quoted tweet in >>748465, it's about anime)>saintcakes says she doesn't know what that person is talking about>makes this thread >>747553>people think she's talking about a mcy fanfic author suicide. I didn't know anything about this person before this so maybe she is a huge cow, but this all seems like an overreaction tbh
No. 748598
>>748540I’m with the other anon, I don’t get it. I thought the whole
Don’t sexualize children thing would’ve made people side with her? Since a loli character is just a child, and that child has humongous tits?
Also, how did they come to the conclusion that it was about something
completely unrelated?
I swear most Twittercrusaders just don’t have reading comprehension if they really managed to link a fanartist into lolishit to a fucking Minecraft YouTuber getting used for shit fanfics.
No. 748654
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>>748540Why do people call this character a loli when they dont do any research? Its an ugly coomerbait 19yo dragon. It was made for coomers and by coomers, these people dont even know that Kobayashi is an ecchi manga. Having an anime face doesnt make anyone automatically a loli.
If anons will show caps from manga, all of them have the same ugly face so that still doesn't make her a loli. Just a lazy design made for fapping.
The reasoning behind her having huge breasts is that she is allergic to being fat, and whenever she does gets fat it goes only in her chest afaik. It shouldn't be too deep. Just an ugly character made by ecchi manga creator.
No. 748664
>>748654>The reasoning behind her having huge breasts is that she is allergic to being fat,sigh
Actually,
>this entire postsigh
No. 748757
>>748664I am not wking, i just think its retarded to call this wannabe bimbo a loli.
>>748749I think thats the whole point. I bet it took author 3 minutes to come up with it. At the end of the day she is nothing but a coomerbait character and i dont think theres anything special about it cause she is boring as fuck.
No. 748759
>>748563I think they were made separately. However, the wording of it and saying “idk a fan artist was driven to suicide apparently” right under her saying people using death as a “gotcha”.
If someone accused me of having driven someone to suicide or harassing them, if I didn’t do it I’d just deny it and make a thread clarifying that I don’t condone harassment or death threats. Not subtweet about people using it as a “gotcha” cause that just makes you look guilty of doing it in some way… especially when in the same tweet you talk about someone having actually done it and phrasing it as “people being uncomfortable”. It lowkey screams guilty and manipulative to boot given that she tried to backtrack and say it was about a stalker… and then tried to say before (or during) it was about an anime critique.
>so which ones the truth No. 748783
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>>747556>>747560>>747586>>747924i think its extremly funny how you all wanna lose time on this bullshit when no one in real life cares about it, ofc if you say or show this shit people are goig to be "ew gross wtf" and no one is expecting this to be everyones cup of tea but normal adjusted people will just leave it at that, like genuingly at the end of the day, did you made a difference at all? lol
ANYWAYS theres also the partner of Jim Jinkins daughter?kid?(the creator of Doug), Jay Goldstein, who did a callout and doxing to a porn mansion foster artist and then backtracked about it, said artist was working with vivziepop and another worker. 1/2
No. 748788
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>>7487832/2
However i think its more milky how this ex friend group has been obsesed with that person, stalking him for 2+ years and basically pissed that Ang cutted tied with them without being able to trash them about it directly, in pic is one person of the friend group talking directly about Ang, also to note that callout is because another person of the group cutted ties but when they entered the group chat again they were a still pissed off, so the well adjusted folks of that group decided it was all a big manipulative attempt and decided to do a public callout instead of…talking about it.
No. 748889
>>748859Not brainlet at all. The call always comes from inside the house and I think it's your answer to
>>748860 as well. Just like how on lolcow the loudest criticisms come from jealous vendettafags and people in the same community as the cows.
No. 748897
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Some girl on tiktok made a bullshit painting, posted it on ebay starting at around $200 dollars and the fucking bid with up to $15k lmao. Are ebay bids even legit or will they fake out?
No. 748957
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so who had 'emily artful getting covid' on their bingo card?
No. 748984
>>748897anyone can make an ebay account and drop a fake ass bid then just back out once the auction ends, plenty of people do it especially when the seller doesn't turn off the ability for the winning bidder to back out.
depending on how shameless this particular tiktoker is (considering shes already riding the "paint something on tiktok and put it up for sale on ebay = profit = success" trend, idk) i wouldn't be surprised if she made another account to put a fake bid down anyways just to release another tiktok like "omg guys look I did the trend and now my painting sold for this, do this and tag me if it works for you too". it's all bullshit.
No. 749016
>>748959>>748889>>748860it seems like more people care about clout than they do actually protecting anyone.
hell i saw at least two threads where someone was vocally anti-loli/shota/gross content in fiction only to have alligations about them come out that say they've groomed children and/or solicited nudes from minors, were general sexual predators and the threads are filled with the same kinds of people that tear down someone over edgy content saying "get well soon" and wishing them the best.
they wanna be assholes but can't bring themselves to be honest with being an awful person so they target relatively innocent people while shielding themselves and other genuinely predatory and awful people.
if the rumors about anti circles being filled with abuse, gaslighting, etc. are true it make sense as to why they'd side with someone who just got outted as a sexual predator and want them to get better while hoping someone whose only crime was "violating fictional characters" (and sadly i actually saw this brainlet take) dies.
>>748924>>748959honest to god i can't stand it either and i have too much pride to sink to being that level of shameless to where i can demand money for something i did to myself.
No. 749258
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an artist who makes a trans kids comics got called out for making babyfur art using real kids as model
No. 749439
>>747595what a shit friend, and never seen someone who lacks such self awarness. oh no someone did a drawing i dont like and has nothing to do with me, ima dox them.
like let people do whatever the fuck they rarley hurt anyone, sometimes annoying with how much of a degenerate they are but these are just drawings and NSFW artists usally keep to there circles and out of public.
No. 749441
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>>749258Why are so many of them babyfurs, I don't understand. How does someone even end up with a fetish that weirdly specific?
No. 749445
>>747595- to add on about truebuggy, he has a furaffinity and draws animals fucking and appretnly some private accounts lmfaooo
every fucking time
the person calling out the alleged predator or whatever does the same shit
No. 749463
I'm keeping my eye on a news report because I need more proof to believe that a suicide, but if it's true I'm going to be calling twitterfags unhinged til the cows come home.
>>747553Search his hard drive. Just do it now before he deletes any more "reference pictures"
No. 749512
>>749480iirc she didn’t merely “bully” the way one might think, but tormented others with the intention of driving them out and one of her
victims became suicidal and tried to wait it out and she knew and still harassed them. She was basically a farmer but instead of cows she went for normies on the basis of not liking them. Then she lied about it and tried to lie about being a minor to mitigate the damage by being “too immature to understand” her own actions. This toppled with her side account for posting south park porn getting exposed didn’t work to her benefit. A lot of people were shocked and disgusted because her audience was full of younger people but behind the scenes she was drawing shit about cartoon 4th graders. She herself is the cow.
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>>747595I read this whole thing, and I’m not interested in conversing over whether it was right or wrong or whatever. But are we supposed to feel sorry for them or something? Their identity was intentionally attached to that shit, if they didn’t want it to be found they could have just… not connected it to their personal life? And what the fuck did they think would happen if their job ever found out? It’d be genuinely retarded if any of the ko-fi donators felt obligated to give them something for whatever reason except sheer pity. Even then it’s a waste of a dollar imo.
>>748957well damn
>>748520kek no ship or fanfic is even worth considering worth fucking dying over unless someone is severely maladjusted, and if it’s already at that point it isn’t even the fic or the shipwars at fault. Nothing is physically stopping them from making a new account and disabling comments on the old.
>>748138This is such an overreaction. More than half the “supportive” comments on these fics isn’t even doing that shit.
No. 749670
>>749527>Their identity was intentionally attached to that shit, if they didn’t want it to be found they could have just… not connected it to their personal life?Yeah, fun fact, that's what doxxing is.
They could have kept their entire personal life separate from their weird online stuff, and a close friend could just release all the info. That's literally the meaning of doxxing. From what it seems, they didn't connect their personal life to the online, they didn't even use their name online. Still pretty shitty to do on the 'friend's part.
No. 749712
>>749670Yeah, they already weren't connected. Jay just decided to release private information to the world.
Not to mention, according to husbandhugs (the person jay called out) had cut ties because Jay was attempted to groom them so I feel like Jay did this because they got rejected.
No. 749716
>>748783wasn’t vee/ang (who the callout was about) in a poly relationship for awhile? I remember hearing she was raped not too long and I’m wondering if any of her partners had anything to do with that
also apparently the OG callout maker (TrueBuggy) tried grooming Vee sometime ago, this situation is a shit show all around lol
No. 749893
>>749670So they got doxxed because they couldn’t keep their degeneracy to themselves, despite not attaching their name to said degeneracy, disclosed it to some scrote and he did as scrotes do and smeared their shit everywhere. Thank you for the explanation but I mean there is no way they could have reasonably concluded this would be a good idea. “I should show this guy who knows so much about me and isn’t my psychologist some fucked shit. Nothing bad will come of this!” lmao doxxing is fucking awful but who thinks like this? It’s like internet safety 101.
>>749716On top of that he’s a groomer? This is an entire shitshow
No. 749932
>>749893Ang/Vee had considered TrueBuggy/Jay a friend until they had cut him off for trying to groom them.
you really ain't gotta bend over that far backward to defend doxxing.
No. 749964
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Yet another artist is being cancelled by the anti shippers. The person being cancelled this time is badturquoise for drawing noncon on his nsfw Twitter account and for being a proshipper. Antis really can’t go 2 days without starting drama over fictional shit huh?
No. 749977
>>749441If I had a guess it could have something to do with trauma and how folks who were
victims of abuse tend to create coping mechanisms to bear with the pain. It’s no excuse for being a raging pedophile but kinks like these have been used as comfort devices for the person in question.
It’’s been a long time since I’ve read up on Sophie drama but if I had guess, their childhood may have not been the best growing up.
No. 749996
>>749990lmao yes this absolutely
tbh generally people that identify as being part of a "fandom" give me bad vibes.
People that actively care about shipping, whichever way it is, are just weirdos. the world was a much happier place when "fandom" noncense and autistic shipping shit were mostly contained by tumblr.
No. 750084
>>749932 “ang skipped therapy and sought comfort in showing a scrote objectively weird shipping porn” I agree doxxing is bad. But I’m not going to read this shit and skip over ang’s laughable autism lol. Simultaneously I’m not going to take this shit seriously when it was ang themselves who tied their shit to their real life by forging that link between them (and for the groomer to click on) in the first place. Friends, lovers, enemies, it doesn’t matter kek these are perpetually online adults ffs.
>>749990It should never get that serious for anyone tbh, if it is they need to log off and step away from the computer. It’s really that simple.
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>>750108>Does anyone know if it was actually noncon or just misinterpreted?Just checked out the scenegyaru person’s page and they posted this
No. 750162
>>748654Nonny I think you're confusing this character with Uzaki. Uzaki is a shorter-than-average college student with massive tits. This character was designed to be an oppai loli. Also, the mangaka is confirmed to be a loli/shotacon. Even the first season of Dragon Maid anime had tons of sus pedo shit in it.
There's even a manga-only character who looks like a child despite being a grandmother. The mangaka knows what the fuck he's doing.
Also, according to the wiki she's supposed to be 16, not 19.
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lol
No. 750284
>>750280Why do they keep drawing noses like that? They know they have options, right?
I hate Americans.
No. 750301
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It’s sad that people think like this
No. 750311
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>>750301Lbr she's not entirely wrong
No. 750324
>>750301This is the funniest cope I've seen in a while.
>Someone is better than you? They must be a sick pedo rapist since only social deviants with no friends can become talented!!!!!Just say you're jealous and go. Christ.
>>750280The ironic thing is though that Venti is the god for a nation that's canonically based on Germany. Literal we wuz kangz material.
>>750304It's so dumb too because it's a game created by a Chinese company and they will never give a shit about western fans and their fragile feefees. The lore is already pretty dark, I don't know why these idpol faggots are so invested in blacking the characters since most of them probably don't even play the goddamn game.
No. 750330
>>749990I don't even give a shit what people ship or don't ship but I absolutely agree with this. I saw someone making this big "coming out" post about being a "proshipper", got attacked by "antishippers" and it was insane, like where did we go so wrong that you have to label yourself as either instead of just minding your own goddamn business? Kids trying to start a literal civil war over some fucking drawings and instead of people telling them to grow up they're humoring their bullshit. Pathetic.
>>750060>I kind of get the vibe that those anons are twitterfags who use this site as an outlet for their more problematique takes that would get them canceled on twitterThis is literally what this thread has been for at least a year now. Twitterfags come in to drop some vendetta tweets because they're too indoctrinated by the woke ideology to call someone out for being a dick but they can't quite shake their terminal twitteritis off.
No. 750363
>>750301 Oh boy, they must be really jealous to write that.
Even though, I honestly don't even remember what her art looks like anymore, because anyone who finds her will only find retweets from other artists and endless bickering. I mean, who the hell is going to find her bitter tweets, click on her account and find the portefolio pinned, much less thinking of checking it out? These people just spend their free time ruinning their image
No. 750486
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>>749258Shmorky walked so Sophie could run.
No. 750540
>>750301I think those who make shitty art are more prone to be a freak than those who make good art. Case in
>>749258 >>750486
No. 750716
>>750486kek, I bet he's kicking himself for not coming up with the "i-it's for my missed girlhood!" reasoning. Times really changed fast in just a few short years, didn't they?
>>750529He pretty much disappeared entirely. His equally schizo ex keeps having psychotic spergouts in his KF threads. Like literal scientology related alien abduction tier weird shit.
No. 750756
>>750060i wish so, so bad i could tell these faggots that if they were to ask anybody out on the street about this "pro/anti" shipping issue they'd be laughed at, met with confusion or treated like the weirdos they are. nobody should give a quarter of a shit about this and anybody who does is either a braindead teenager or a stunted loser adult
>>750280americans are another breed of weirdos, too. it's a CHINESE mmorpg, why are they so obsessed with shoving their racial bullshit down every fandom they're in like it matters.
No. 750869
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A black artist on Twitter was getting trolled by a bunch of racist, self-hating scrotes just for drawing a miyazaki movie character black.
No. 750870
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>>750869samefag but this is one of the culprits
>notorious internet racist since 4chan days shiver me timbers
No. 750886
>>750883Despite all the shit above about not harassing people over fictional work that was being discussed for like 3 days, I feel like the anons who get mad over people drawing racebent characters will not say a word about this lol
>>750870Imagine bragging about being a "notorious racist asshole bully" on 4chan
No. 750982
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Did someone really make a vent piece over the alleged fabfic writer suicide? The quote rts are insane, but this comic seems tacky
https://twitter.com/flugfbop/status/1364992928783851520?s=19 No. 751026
>>750949It doesn't even matter anymore. As long as it is "abuse" (nevermind the fact that rape is one of the most popular fetishes) it should be cancelled.
These people need to look at pornh to see what to ACTUALLY complain about.
No. 751032
>>750982>people are dying for fiction and i cant do anything.So they decided to gain clout with a shitty comic, what a stunning brave sjw.
>>751026They are all kids with over sheltered lives. Anime and fanfiction is all they consume and care, therefore try to find issues within it.
No. 751033
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>>750982KEK I hope someone takes this and puts on an equally retarded reversal so it’s about entering a fandom and accidentally stumbling upon a rabbit hole of ludicrous fetish fan art and fanfics
No. 751060
>>750982It doesn't really matter if someone receiving harassment kills themselves or not, it can be massively traumatizing nevertheless especially now that our lives and careers have been forcefully relocated to online spaces,
especially during the ongoing pandemic. The people who scoff it off with "just turn off your computer" most likely have never experienced a horde of people piling on you and spreading rumors about you being a pedophile rapist because you like an anime teen ship, receiving countless DMs telling you to kill yourself and people replying to your every tweet only to harass you. Of course you can just lock your account and stay low until it blows over but everyone has already seen those "um make sure you don't follow @/lolcowartist she's a pedo
terf supporting abuse" tweets and will take them at face value, never questioning if it's true because supporting you would drag them down with you. You don't even have to do anything particularly "
problematic", I've seen it happen
multiple times over the most innocuous things like drawing fanart of a ship that the worst part of the fandom considers incest because they were childhood friends.
People will look at this shit and their mind will immediately go to "good, pedos deserve to be put against the wall" thinking about all the disgusting scrotes openly slapping their meat to traced diaper CP but the ones taking the worst fall in this whole discourse are
always young women who are already vulnerable and in a bad state of mind having to be cancelled over literally nothing. To make things worse it's never fueled by legitimate concern over how this person could actually hurt others but pure, seething, vain jealousy like this tweet
>>750301 proves.
I hate that I had to write a wall of text because the pro/antishipper discourse is peak retardation and the fact that it exists is literal clown world bullshit but a lot of posters here really intentionally not understanding how fucked up online harassment has gotten.
No. 751073
>>751060nta, I appreciate the perspective you’re bringing to this conversation. Sincerely asking, why do they not simply make separate accounts and delete the “
problematic” ones when the hate becomes too much? Ofc it’s stupid just about any ships can get you “canceled” if the audience is dumb enough, but clearly there’s different types of ships getting called out by multiple people here. It seems like it would make more sense to tether your fics into different accounts based on what you’re writing to avoid unwanted attention.
No. 751085
>>750429This. Every time I see another artist being cancelled for whatever horseshit reason their art is always extremely well done and expressive while the one calling them out is making literal chicken scratches that look like toddler doodles. Hoes mad jealous and can't deal with the fact that in order to become creative and talented you have to experiment and practice because that's "neurotypical ableism" i.e. calling out their laziness.
It's the same shit in every community I've been in, those who are cursed with below mediocrity try to lash out at people better than they are to cope with their own crippling insecurity.
No. 751114
>>751073A few other reasons would be that it could be a secondary source of income if you take commissions and the sense of community that comes from finding people that like the same weird shit as you do. The relentless stalking and monitoring was already covered.
which is what's funny about the "just turn off the computer" comments cause lasted I checked, you need an online presence to get just about anywhere these days. They probably couldn't survive a week getting their internet cut or losing access to their phones that they're constantly on. Did we suddenly get teleported to before 2010 without any of the good things?
same for "cyberbullying not being real" since they're the same people that private and cry about how mean people are when they get snapped back at.
No. 751175
>>750886it's pretty cringe to do racist harassing to someone just for drawing a character black.
the only racebends that really get talked about here are the ones that look like caricatures or done to make the character "more ugly" to piss off scrotes for ??? reasons even though they inadvertently end up calling the features they gave the character ugly and use it as a means to gain clout and racebait.
No. 751296
>>751060I remember when a semi popular youtuber almost got cancelled for, get this, joking about an "
abusive ship" that's already joked about in the source material, nervously laughing at a disturbing scene, and "invalidating" a fan favorite character by calling him "crazy."
One of the people trying to cancel him talked about how they wouldn't be surprised if he were a pedophile, and talked about how satisfying it would be if he were beaten up.
They're excuse is that they wanted the youtuber to "take accountability for his actions" what actions? Calling a character crazy? Making jokes? Having a coping mechanism?
No. 751312
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>>750982Kek
I’m sure the 15 year old who allegedly suicided themselves would be honored to know twitterfags are milking their death for asspats
No. 751324
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>>751322A what up their what??
No. 751390
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>>751322>someone shoves a live cat up their ass.Excuse me, what?
No. 751466
>>751324>>751390ayrt, I haven't been able to find it to read it. but from what I have gathered from discussions, the fanfic that that kid wrote and was getting twitter bombed for was called "Dream's Homemade Catboy" and was basically just a really ridiculous shock fic where some youtuber forces a cat into some other youtuber's rectum so he has a cat tail. iirc, the twitter kids ree'd because one of the youtubers featured is underage and also the uhhh… application of the cat was unconsensual?
They really have to make twitter 18+ man, the unrestricted internet access is getting these zoomers so far removed from reality. Imagine if people on early 2010s internet gave this much of a fuck about Cupcakes or Dipper goes to taco bell?
No. 751494
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this thumbnail is scary
No. 751608
>>751494Those hands are so odd looking.
Its like the knuckles are in front of the book,but the rest of the hand is behind it.
No. 751612
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talking about crypto art once again, Matt Bors tried to sell his we should improve society somewhat meme/comic through it. Then deleted it after reciving some backlash. One of the replies pointed out crypto art farming consumes way too much electricity to be worth it
No. 751742
>>751322I recall a Splatoon youtuber faking their death
tw- I'm sorry, they shoved what up their ass?
No. 751755
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this is nothing new but bringing up old shit like this for no reason screams "I'm bored and I need attention so let me find a big artist to make a call out post about"
No. 751778
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Is anyone else part of the twitter pixel art community? This dude Franek always boasts about his follow count and refuses to just take a compliment; he always has to act over confident and smug about it. Picrel his response to chucklefish quote rt'ing his art was so smug and scrotey and the fact they engaged with him after was a disappointing. I don't mean to sound like a vendetta but he particularly grinds my gears.
No. 751779
>>751755This is actually unhinged and especially the kind of sick shit described in the thread.
>Name an artist>Describe a mundane act that actually could've happened but make it look like a crime so that they can't defend themselves>"I think they drew child porn!!!" and other claims with absolutely zero proof presented like she was an actual child rapist>"uwu I didn't say harass her, I just dropped her handle and told you never to support this disgusting pedo or follow me if you do tee hee was just letting my moots know!"And the OP has 771 retweets and 1214 likes. No sources, no receipts, no nothing. Thousands of people exposed to this tweet via algorithm and retweets have seen this tweet. Someone just straight out called an artist a pedo with nothing to back it up with and the psycho twitterfags in this thread act like this is totally normal and if you're offended you should just "turn off the screen kek". You mental cunts would be literally suiciding yourselves if someone confronted you online for anything.
>>751760It's to free them of responsibility. If the person they're targeting has a mental breakdown and there are consequences they can always say "Oh but I told people not to harass her! I just made a tweet calling them out for all sorts of made up shit that gets everyone riled up!".
No. 751780
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>>751755Wow, such evil and disguting art. Her "moots" must be sighing in relief to know the truth behind this artist's twisted mind.
Why so many of them write with multiple commas in a sequence?
No. 751782
>>751780I think it's to simulate crytyping to add gravity to the tweet or something.
Also imagine having a spergout about how someone draws "literal child porn" and then you show them this picture that clearly has two adult looking characters, clothed and doing nothing incriminating. Any normal person would think you're insane.
No. 751786
>>751780They're cartoon characters and judging by the quality, the artist was probably a teenager when she drew this. Good grief, I can only imagine what it's like to have to go through cringey teenage phases in the "everything is
problematic and warrants harassment campaigns" age.
No. 751807
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>>751778Damn, the dude's good. Scrolling for a moment he seems to have that shitposting scrote vibe that is kinda annoying, but it's not like he can't take compliments? In the Chucklefish case, they're a games publisher, not some regular user, I definitely wouldn't write it like that but makes sense for him to ask if they like it so much would they be interested in making business together. And another case of him sounding somewhat mean was people insisting on calling his before-after pixel art progress "equally good" and tbh good for him to not take it, I'd be probably insulted too if I was proud of my progress and some idiots online came and were like "uhh these are actually equally good."
No. 751814
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>>751780Wow! You should spoiler this, anon! Actually, you
have to take this to the police because this is
literally cp, I hope the artist burns and goes to a maximum security prison because that’s what they
literally deserve.
I swear I prefer washing potatoes and plowing a land to having any sort of internet presence, this is getting utterly retarded.
No. 751817
>>751807I like shitposters and writing random shit since i'm somewhat of shitposter myself, but that kind of answers rub me in the wrong way. i wouldn't interact with him after that.
i don't think people have to worship you because you think you made a great progress or whatever. sounds like little kid behaviour to me.
just don't answer to them, they will take a hint
No. 751836
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>>751835I am fucking sick of them and also pic related shit like that. Is nothing allowed in fantasy anymore? And they often go after shit women like instead of some real pedo garbage.
No. 751840
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>>751755Found this weirdos art.
It's always the ones who got nothing to offer…
No. 751843
>>751836What the fuck? So captive prince is also a
trigger warning now? These retards would faint if they knew about basically most Latin American literature and telenovelas like “the slave Isaura” But of course, it doesn’t matter because these hoes only know about whatever is produced in English.
If anyone over the age of 16 is retweeting and trying to cancel and artist getting randomly accused of being a
le bigoted or a pedo, I will assume they’re either mentally ill, envious of the artist or just need to get put down already.
No. 751846
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>>751755Cant kids online post about anything nowadays without having to promote something? Feels weird she wants to warn people about that "evil CP propagator" and promos her gf's shop in the same thread
No. 751853
>>751846 ''Oh I really recomend this shop, I love their earings!''
''Really? I should probably check them out then. By the way, how did you come across them?''
''In a tweet about pedophiles''
Yes, associate your gf's shop with a ''cp'' callout post. That's like coming to lolcow to promote your art…
No. 751857
>>751846Those earrings are not even decent looking, is she seriously canceling someone just so some retards buy her shit? I mean, if she was at least canceling someone who sells earrings as well, you could say it’s like those
>shark vacuum cleaner is better than most vacuum cleaners in the market!Kind of schtick, but this isn’t it, I hope she gets canceled soon or that her “girlfriend” also gets canceled too for doing something equally as meaningless as doing fanart of some random characters some idiot didn’t like.
No. 751861
>>751851As if they wouldn't find probelematic shit in actual books. Come on anon, you know they would. Good books are full of what would
trigger them.
No. 751869
>>751846>>751755I'm convinced most callouts against artists are either because they're bored, jealous, or the person making the callout is in some way predatory/
abusive and they're trying to point the finger at someone else or make it seem like they're a good person given that TrueBuggy called out the
victim that he tried to groom likely as a result of them cutting contact.
Most callouts I've seen are literally just over ships and weird content with like, no mention of actually doing something predatory to a person.
if what ex-antis/people adjacent to communities/people like this say is true abuse and secrecy in those communities are rampant and a lot of them have secondary accounts for ~
problematic~ content they keep hidden from their friends/mutuals and they even call each other out for "betraying" them by shipping fictional content.
No. 751870
>>751861 Yes anon but it's the exposure to the
ProBLEmaTic that would do them some good (the recipe would be better acompanied with cutting off the internet acess, but nobody is expecting miracles).
At the very least they would learn better grammar and support their local libraries…
No. 751872
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Do these people like this have like, 0 self-awareness? They just answered their own question.
"it's fake" the police are not breaking down doors over "illegal ships". And they're 29… I bet they think video games cause violence.
No. 751936
>>751872She's absolutely right that you can rightfully be disgusted at a ship. I absolutely can't stomach incest and think it's nasty and abhorrent. However, I leave it at that. I'm not going around calling out people shipping cartoon characters for "incest supporting freaks" and contacting the FBI like a fucking lunatic. I block and don't follow people who ship things that I find disgusting. Like a normal person.
God you just know these are the same dumbasses who turn around and whiteknight porn because of muh sex positivity and supporting sex workers and other woke brain gymnastics when it's the main cause of suffering for hundreds of thousands of real life, actual, breathing people. But those cartoon characters must be saved no matter what's the cost!
No. 752007
>>751872>they're 29Well maybe her body is 29, but clearly not her mind. I can't take a horse anime pfp seriously no matter their age.
>>751936First we make sure all mha characters are safe, only then we can maybe think about real children. Also, let's make sure we start caring about real people by first going through all fanfiction about them. Anything happening outside the internet and fiction is secondary.
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>>751755kinda ot but this made me lol. You're 19 and upset that your mom makes you clean your room
No. 752196
>>752187I'm sure those two consenting young adult-looking fictional characters will appreciate your concern anon, kek. Touch the grass for once.
>than it is to catch random pedophiles on the street or to single-handedly end sex traffickingI mean you could go catfishing for actual child abusers preying on underage kids and report them from the safety of your own room. But nah bullying random artists on Twitter is where it's at apparently.
No. 752214
>>752187>cancel pedophiles >making them feel unwelcomeWow, go back to twitter or try to live bit of the reality for once.
> catch random pedophiles on the street or to single-handedly end sex traffickingYes, it's almost like it's a deeper problem that simply cancelling people in twitter for aging up gravity falls characters won't fix, right? Nobody expects or wants for you to turn into batman and go around punishing people.
>grow up retard.I am not the one twisting my panties over drawings. People who want to fight against pedophilia have a commendable intent, but that alone isn't enough. Falsely accusing someone is stupid in every possible way. Even by your twisted logic, bullying someone out of your own circle won't cure a pedophile, it will just push them to another community. Problem solved amirite!
No. 752218
>>752211That's the thing. One look at something like Kiwifarm's forum threads you can find numerous confirmed pedos still thriving online. Shadman is still making a bank despite openly lusting IRL children. You never see these people going after those types and instead do all these mental cartwheels trying to justify why calling out a basic as fuck artist drawing MHA ship art or something is the right thing to do. The real reason is that they don't actually care, they're cowards and they know pedo scrotes are untouchable by their lazy "proships dni" methods.
Literally 4chan out of all places has done more to combat pedophiles online than any of these "mom made me clean up my room" twitterlets have. Operation Honeypot busted a child porn ring online. Let that sink in.
No. 752258
>>752239they know that poor fandom people are the only ones they can actually target and feel power over. they try it with people working in the industry but it only sticks on the lower-level people or those who work for companies that dont care as much about the bad optics of removing only minorities and lgbt people over this shit.
they sure as hell tried with Sugar though and Stevenson, but they never seem to actually try with people like John K. they know their limits and only care about hurting anyone they can reach and feeling good about their own shit art/writing and not actually removing abusers from power
No. 752264
>>752218yeah exactly. these kids are more retarded than the q grandmas, but both see fake pedos everywhere and ignore the real ones. it makes their shitty lives better to think there's a grand conspiracy of rapists keeping them from being happy and successful. if they spent half as long on their art as they did their callout posts and playing
victim they'd be the ones actually out there making good stuff that other people envied, and they cant have that. it's pure crab-bucket mentality.
a few of the pro-shippers are decent artists or writers but none of the really deep-in ones leading the bullshit callouts are. they're just as performatively deranged for clout and both go around actively sheltering the abusers and rapists on their own side becuase it would make them look bad and they care more about that than protecting real children
No. 752343
>>752187There is quite literally a growing map community on twitter they could focus their attention on rather than canceling someone cause they drew to anime characters bumping uglies.
>people can care about two things at onceAlmost all the people that get canceled have the worst crime of drawing some degen shit but never anything like actually grooming or soliciting nudes from minors, etc. in fact, the person calling them out is more likely to have done some actual illegal shit.
No. 752468
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Speaking of pixel art community what is this clownery
No. 752511
>>752486Don't you have to do that manually for every person you follow? Unless there's an API for it.
Anyway, I agree. More artists should be sharing just their work, maybe a few things about their though process, etc. I hate when I look up an artist I like, go to their media tab and 90% of it is replies or meme gifs. I'm not here to dictate how others run their accounts though.
I'm just sick of seeing entitled-ass posts about how larger artists "should be retweeting smaller artists". When are people going to realize that nobody owes them anything? Probably never, so it's not going to stop them from bitching. I don't even have over 1000, and I've had my acct for 10 yrs. Like. People need to stop trying so hard to punch above their weight to 'gain followed fast' and just connect with the people they're already linked up with.
And don't get me started on the "small artists share your work, I'll rt!!" threads that never work. They jump on those like flies on shit and they almost never amount to any sort of meaningful benefit except for the OP who made the tweet.
Sperg, not even sorry.
No. 752574
>>752519I agree with you. I think it's actually also entitled when people expect a lot of engagement and followers when they only post their art and don't support other artists. It kinda sucks that many interactions aren't genuine anymore but it's usually a two way street. Obviously someone like wlop can just drop their picture without a caption and hashtags and just leave, but if you are a mediocre artist in a sea of other mediocre artists you have to give an incentive for people to interact with you, and that usually comes from building relationships and giving back to others.
It's still dumb to see small artists whine about not being supported by bigger artists, nobody owes you anything and every big artist started out without a following so? Instead of trying to piggyback off their success just build your own community and make people want to follow you.
No. 752681
>>752574> I agree with you. I think it's actually also entitled when people expect a lot of engagement and followers when they only post their art and don't support other artists.how often does this happen, realistically? From what I've seen, for years, people who post art only are either already established, or don't complain about few followers (insta famous artists do complain about the algorithm changing though).
>>752629What worked for me is making content for a small fandom I like. Dedicated fans of niche things check tags and namesearch the franchise constantly. Every time I propose this I get "but I'm not a fan of anything" all the time, but really, it works
No. 752726
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This dude dunno if transwoman has a fetish for lesbians having anal sex with gay men and says it's ~queer~. Pretty cringe
No. 752778
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>>752726everyone wishing to skip this one, say I.
No. 752962
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>>752841Definitely female
No. 753180
>>752962This all gives me anti
terf troll vibes. They stand against everything terfs say. They love fgm, "gay" x "lesbian" sex, anal sex and scenarios of never telling your partner your biological gender
No. 753377
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>>753180She(?) also has comics like this
No. 753394
>>753377That black character has removed clit. Can someone call this person out on racism cuz fgm still happens in
poc populated countries
No. 753409
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Got morbidly curious about how clit removal porn would even work, so I checked her twitter… This is NSFL. Stinky move over, there's a new twitter horrorcow on the scene.
No. 753413
>>753409If it's a moid I'm wishing him a happy penis removal. If it's a woman I don't care if she removes her clit she should stop producing shit like this.
>>753412Many moids do.
No. 753414
>>753409This definitely feels like it could be racially charged, like
>>753394 said. What the fuck?
No. 753438
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>>753434>>753437samefag for more screenshots, they admitted theyre trans here
No. 753475
>>753409>>752726>fetishizing black female FGM victimGenuinely a whole new layer of disgusting. This is the kind of shit that would make some of my family members say "See? LGBT
is mental illness" if they ever heard of it.
I hope her hands get nullified so she can't draw any more of this disgusting bullshit.
No. 753498
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>>753494I went through her entire curious cat after seeing her art & apparently not being able to orgasm is a turn on for her.
Also, does the request for direct DMing in picrel seem to anyone else like damage control so less people see her 'converting' people? Maybe I'm overreacting but it feels very groom-y to me, just with easily impressionable adults.
No. 753522
>>753518I think anon was saying she is the freak artist type. In which case I applaud her kek. Honestly though the only reason it seems like "all the talented artists are freaks!!1" is because most people aren't as insane about ships and fiction as these kids are who call them out. Also in my twitter days a ton of people simply kept their
problematic ships a secret. Turns out most people have at least one they like even if they feel unnecessarily guilty about it.
No. 753577
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>>751836Seems like nobody can’t make an original story without being accused of supporting/normalizing “racism”, “incest”, “homophobia”, etc.
On the topic of pro and anti shippers, an artist I used to follow posted this on their stories recently and it made me feel glad I stopped following them in the first place.
>”I don’t care if pro-shippers are harassed, they deserve it because I think that drawn nsfw of underaged characters is CP hurr durr”It’s funny how they don’t see the issue in that statement they made thinking that people deserve to be harassed over drawings
No. 753683
>>753577That vent art was pretty bad but I don't get why people think all the CP accusations are truthful. Have they been in fandom the last 5 years? People call everything CP or "justifying abuse" now. Two year difference between the characters? Rank or influence difference? Even the smallest amount of rivalry? Oh no you're a pedophile actually.
It's just kind of embarrassing how much people have to come up with a real world sex crime reason to hate some ships that are pretty mild. I stopped engaging with fandoms where that stuff happens because it's a good indicator of places that are
toxic and full of people under 18, but I see my mutuals fighting with literal middle schoolers about whether or not drawing pg-rated fanart of some bland-ass vanilla het ship of theirs means they should be on a sex offender registry and I don't understand how we got to this point almost overnight when there's people like that weird dog child tracer up there who are real pedos to go after.
No. 753808
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>>753420Cant believe farmers cant hold on the cyberbullying for one fucking second, let the milk flow naturally or else they're gonna priv
>>753680Yah I think it's something like that, she probably feels revolted by her vagina and it's taking the extreme route. Wouldn't be surprised if her tranny bf is also very "supporting" about it
No. 754397
>>752629I can't help you with instagram but with twitter you need to first decide who you want those followers to be. Assuming youre an artist, do you want them to be artists as good as you? Those who look up to you? People in the same fandom as you? It sounds like bullshit but it decides all your actions from there. You can just blindly participate in art shares, but most of the followers you get from that are 16 year olds who draw like the worst cows we make fun of who will just follow you for attention for themselves. They won't actually buy commissions from you or retweet you except to build some parasocial relationship that ends with them turning on you. If you decide you just want raw numbers first, go this route, but if you want to sell stuff you'll have to switch it up after and get higher quality followers.
If you want clout fastest do all the art shares in the world and quote-tweet more popular artists and distort their words to make them sound shitty. But we all know what kind of idiots you'll attract doing that. On the other hand, if you find good artists who draw about as well as you do and theyre in your fandom or part of the industry, buddy up to them politely, and post early in their art shares or posts, you'll get higher quality people sharing your stuff and replying. People see the original post with replies, so just talking back and forth will get you some of their followers. Don't be creepy or lie or stalk them just try to be a genuine friendly person to genuinely friendly people.
Art discord servers help, if they're full of nice people who are also on twitter, follow the people who are just a bit better or worse than you and engage heavily with them. Then during some hashtag like shows up every other week, retweet a couple of them and post your own, they'll probably do the same. It goes slow at first but if your art isn't bad then the first 300 followers can actually be the hardest part. Lots of total morons with garbage art have over 2k followers now but then they can't sell a commission for more than 20$ and spend all their days picking fights with better artists.
No. 755081
>>755077All I know from experience is to use hashtags wisely and post at the right time of the day.
Use big/trending hashtags but not too many. Just one or two is enough. If you use too many the algorithm will tank your post's visibility thinking it's spam. Avoid putting links on your tweet too. If you really need to add a link, then put it on a followup/reply tweet.
Pay attention to what time of the day the platform seems to be more active. That time may or may not coincide to your timezone so keep that in mind.
No. 755284
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At least she is creative…I guess.
But I still cant forget that arrow the vagina picture
No. 755424
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Am I the only one uncomfortable with ig artists' horniness? Like 07 calv is a 14 year old drawing bl while talking about how much she love dicks and sex. Not to mention ariimaw is 16(?) who posts pictures of her legs and body on her second account while she has a 19 year old boyfriend
(Pic related of 07 calvs nsfw account)
No. 755442
>>755428I don't actually mind horny art too actually. What I meant is the fact that calv is 14 and drawing sex scenes
And talking about how much she loves dick and jokes about selling feet picks to old men doesn't sit well with me
No. 755488
>>755284Another talented female artist 'expressing her sexuality uwu' by sexualizing women. A shame. She would be based if she drew porny art of men instead, or ar least just as often as those lewd chicks (i get it, pandering to scrotes brings money).
Cringe.
No. 755518
>>755507>there's already plenty of thoseWhere? Can you please show me an equivalent of Audrey Kawasaki, Relm etc. drawing hot men in a similar style? I would be especially interested in heterosexual or 'bisexual' men drawing sexually objectified males in order to express themself sexually.
And how can you say it's 'plenty' when what little female gaze art exists is literally nothing compared to coomer art focused on male fantasies
>christ you fujos are never happyWrong, not even a fujo. I'm just tired of female artists imitating coomer males while missing that they are drawing what gets them off, not just what is the most beautiful (as some scrotes and coomettes parroting them like to claim, kek - 'I draw lesbians fucking each other because women are the most beautiful thing in the world uwu'). I think relm has a really beautiful style. I wish she painted some hot males as well. It's such a shame that her art is 100% male gaze.
No. 755525
>>755488>>755502>>755518Fujoshi… the term you are looking for is Fujoshi…
Fujoshi and Bara artists literally do what you're asking for. Yaoi & Bara was created entirely for that purpose.
No. 755557
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Did any of you catch this on twitter?
No. 755584
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Found the person Relm gets her "inspiration" from.
I really thought she was creative in her own way, but obviously not
No. 755603
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>>755576I don't use Twitter so I'm not sure what went on, but some kid stumbled into this artist's nsfw account and went on a rampage of accusations and got other people to harass the artist and the artist doesn't seem to be backing down or apologizing. Which is great. I just wanted to know if someone had info on the twitter side of things.
No. 755622
>>755603so this artist made an entirely separate account specifically for nsfw content, which is under a different handle, properly tagged and under a lock, and that piece og shit kid STILL wants to call them out?
what the fuck do these braindeads want adults to do? if someone can't even have a locked nsfw account that's tagged nsfw to post their "unsafe" content, is nsfw just supposed to disappear from their internet bc some pussy 15 year old who got diddled by their uncle thinks its uwu twaumatwizing??? fuck off, i hope the artist tells them to eat their own shit and swallow
No. 755683
>>755525I don't want niche genre mxm comics, I want female gaze art to be as normal and popular like Relma's. Unless her art is 'yuri', but I don't think so. Bara is made for men, anyway.
Also a small niche of japanese comics doesn't compare to the amount of content like Relma's. 'Hot women with come hither eyes/fucking other women' isn't even a genre, it's considered regular art.
>>755532>u are a bit misguided if you think no female pinup artist gets off in self inserting onto hot female charactersYeah I bet they do. Wonder why we don't see heterosexual scrotes do that. Instead, they draw what they wanna fuck rather than themself as idealized sexual object to be fucked.
>Fanservice comics are very popular with girls.Because they've been taught all their life that women are to be sexualized, women = sex. It's how girls are taught to be sexy, but often have no idea what feels good to them, what they actually like about sex etc.
>And maybe they don't find men all that hot/interesting to draw?Again, because they have no idea that you can sexualize the male form instead of female. Learn 2 draw attractive males then.
>>755661>Gay and bi people exist lmao sometimes we draw hot women because we think they’re hot.Sure, and that's why 100% of the art looks like a scrote drew it with one hand.
You can more often than not see when a woman that is genuinely attracted to woman drew something because bi/les ones sure have wider taste than men.
I do not like the artwork of Kaneoya Sachiko, but she's based for drawing men she finds hot rather than 'this is how I would like to look when fucked uwu' girls.
No. 755690
>>755683Nta, but I don't really understand this entire argument. What are you upset about? Women drawing erotic art of hot women/self-inserts? Why should female nsfw artists have to draw men? If it's self-insert art that is the issue then how do you feel about self insert fanfic? I just don't really understand the issue here tbh
>Sure, and that's why 100% of the art looks like a scrote drew it with one hand.Some women just have that kind of taste. Not everyone is gonna be into super romantic nsfw art.
No. 755705
>>755690I'm pointing out a general tendency that I find annoying. It's not a matter of "some" female artists, it's most of them because it's how the entire (art) world operates.
Erotic art of women is so normalized that people often don't even notice that it's sexualized at all. Meanwhile apparently only fujos are into art with attractive men, and they are shamed for that. Sexual art of women is normal art, sexual art of men is considered fujobait or niche porn.
If you don't see a pattern, IDK what to tell you.
I hope in the future we see more equal opportunity sexy art from those supposed "bi" artists.
No. 755706
>>755683just say you're mad about men and go. Women like to draw self inserted sexy art. men like to draw women they want to fuck.
I could list all of the hot and sexy male art i've seen created by women (and other men)but it doesnt count cause something something male fantasy.
No. 755715
>>755697>Heterosexual lovemaking porn made by women for womenLiterally the entire romance genre and most erotic books, novels and comics that deal with romance. Did this genre just stop existing for you?
>>755707Any woman drawing Nightwing and all the drawings and memes about his ass, Eddy Broke/Venom, a lot of times superman and batman, Jacob in Twilight, Sakimichan draws a fair amount of sexualized men but people only focus on when she does female pin ups… Almost any male video game/anime character that is ripped, buffed (and I mean, even the twinks & twunks too) and gets drawn sucking dick or eating pussy by female artists.
pick a fujoshi or bara artist that is a woman. any of them. you have the entire yaoi genre to choose from. Same for the romance and erotica genre of books and comics that are written/drawn by women. It gets quite easy to find this kind of art once you step out of your own bubble of confirmation bias.
>>755709>Women always draw male coomer art instead of sexy men>Completely discounts yaoi and fujoshi despite them being characters with personalities and dynamics that women like>>755705Most female artist draw women in a position that they wish they could be in. A lot of women writers, artists, etc. are all about self inserts. You just keep saying its male coomer art because you don't think women have any sense of sexualization, sexual fantasies, etc. beyond men. Even the most vanilla and non sexual art gets called coomer art on this board.
No. 755726
>>755719when you make sexuality a political issue, all kinks surrounding it become political. some of the women making porn for women do so for 'representation' or whatever, double points if the original media being made into porn via fanart has that same mindset, even if it isnt inherently pornographic.
so, say you write a story about a wholesome gay couple, or you have a gay character in your show that is not 18+ but has that political 'representation' bent, and someone makes noncon porn of it. that person is trying to get their rocks off and share their kink with the niche that is 'people with noncon kinks that also like this character', and it gets to the eyes of someone that doesn't watch the original material for the story but for the politics, then you've got a mess.
men seem to make porn to get off and thats it. the trend i see in women making porn is much more politically/socially fueled than 'my dick is hard and i gotta fix that.'
No. 755728
>>755717It is and frankly, it's quiet annoying given how often it comes up given they never give any examples of good art that they actually like.
If a woman likes drawing sexualized, self insert fanart of women she's attracted to… It's pandering to coomers.
If she draws/writes yaoi, it's just sexualized women but in male bodies despite them having personalities and dynamics that women like.
If she draws and writes about her own sexual fantasies, she's just pandering to coomers
>>755719Because as seen on this board, women are easy targets. They don't think women have any sense of self and need to be kept "clean" and "pure". They're often getting targeted and attacked by other women for drawing art of women (or men) that is "too sexualized". Even among radfems there is nothing a woman can do to escape the criticism other than to just exist. I've seen more people who are against porn being outted as sexual predators, groomers, etc. than I have people who just straight up draw porn. Shad gets away with it cause he doesn't apologize or acknowledge any callouts against him and my theory is that people who engage in targetting female artists for drawing porn find people like Shad too intimidating to target. Sakimichan draws less fucked up shit than he does and she still gets attacked more often.
Women aren't allowed to just do them without criticism. on this board, they always talk big about pornsick scrotes but most of the people who get criticized on here are women for doing any kind of porn or sexualized art. It's the internal misogyny they don't want to recognize because they'll just deny it exists, say any other woman who isn't as sexually vanilla/empty as they are is just pornsick, while at the same time never showing any woman who actually
is of the standard they want to see because it doesn't exist.
>>755726I've noticed the same thing too and I hate it. Women aren't allowed to be horny just because and no matter what she does, how she does it, etc. it's always going to be criticized primarily by other women or people who are only into it for the politics. Most men really don't give that much of a fuck about what a woman draws to make callout posts and threads about it on twitter. If men like a woman's art, they'll follow her. if not, they just don't.
No. 755737
>>755732>Yet we never talk how women are conditioned to keep a shitty 'pure' imagedrawing scrote coomer pinup isn't the way to comebat that, though. It's an art equivalent of 'eyeliner sharp enough to kill your enemies'. It's socially accepted kek
>>755717Didn't say that, but as
>>755730 said, a lot of those artists are just pandering to coomers.
Anyway why are you so pressed to deny that sexual aesthetization of women is a norm to the point it's most of what heterosexual female artists do.
Sus how they never draw hot men fucking them beside ~come fuck me, daddy~ supposed 'self-portraits' if they are drawing their own fantasies
No. 755738
>>755730Not saying that they don't exist, but lbr most women who get criticized are just criticized because they do NSFW. Sakimichan for example regularly does fujo yet people say shes only there for scrotes. In other boards, Happy D was called coomer pandering despite the fact that she doesn't even do heavily sexualized art or pornographic stuff and has said she often self inserts into a lot of her drawings and has explained why she likes drawing the way she does in numerous videos. Even art that can be considered cringe like the one guy artist who draws things of him, his wife and their baby gets called coomer art despite it not being sexual and often draws him and his wife in gross situations with a baby like being covered in snot or having to change diapers.
>>755732The fact that people always talk about how women are mentally conditioned into drawing sexualized women but never talk about how women are condition to keep a pure image is why I'm convinced most humans are just degen by nature. even when men see women drawing fucked up porn they don't take issue with it. My theory is that women are less conditioned into doing it but more so women are conditioned to be bullies and find justifiable reasons to do so to avoid just being called the jackass they are.
No. 755765
>>755726>men seem to make porn to get off and thats it. the trend i see in women making porn is much more politically/socially fueled than 'my dick is hard and i gotta fix that.the reason for this is female socialization and the increase in antis/moralfag children on twitter harassing artists for "fetishizing mlm" and other bullshit. back in 2003-2012 many women were drawing fandom porn openly for the same reason men drew porn, because they were horny. that's why anyone draws porn tbh. it's not PC for women to behave that way anymore. the only artist from that era that seemed to have kept up her porn drawing and reputation intact is hamletmachine
anyway more women should draw porn, it's childish to limit art to sfw on some moral principle when we all have sexual thoughts and urges and art is a great way to express those thoughts
No. 755772
>>755728>>755732>>755719So, what is the solution? Should female artists who draw pornographic art just start ignoring any harassment, the same way male artists do?
I notice female artists tend to react with apologies and/or deactivate their accounts, because women typically want to make peace and admit fault within themselves more than men do. Will it dwindle down if all the female artists take on Shadmman's approach and keep doing what they're doing?
I don't really want to advise that, because Shad pretty much draws nothing but coomer shit (or at least that's all I've seen of his, of the little I've been exposed to) and would probably never make it as a "serious" artist because of his fucked up actions, but I can't see things changing any other way.
No. 755779
>>755719I remember a couple of years ago I had twitter and at least a couple times people did attack shad and try to shit on him (I don't know if I could say "cancel" him cuz that wording sounds a bit cringe).
The difference is that 1) Shad is too anonymous for anything to actually happen to him, and 2) the type of person that follows shad does not give a damn about "cancel culture" so there is literally nothing you can say to make him even lose followers. Shad has always been famous exactly because of the pedo shit, that's the number one thing anyone knows about him, so literally the only people that follow him are people that are already greasy lolicons or some shit so they don't care. The women that get critisized for nsfw are the ones that are involved with fandom spaces or even "woke" (or minority) twitter.
This is more imo but I also think it might be cuz I feel a lot of those people that get in drama are the people that end up catering/appealing not only to fandoms but also mostly only to
other artists, whereas the coomer artist guys usually make coomer art for any degenerate coomer that wants it without even caring about the art.
No. 755781
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I didn't even have a deviantart but I remember browsing these things on google images and I miss them
No. 755900
>>755893 Used to have this exact problem! The is that I started forcing myself to think practically. What's important in a panel is that it gets something across. Sometimes it's dialogue, other times it's a facial expression, feelings, a new place etc… I basically made a chart to turn to when I start overthinking.
Basically, if the panel is supposed to convey a character's emotions I usually focus on their face and forgo aesthetic to keep it as clear as possible (although I'm big on symbolism and expressionism I force myself to only apply that to more complex emotions and ideas or to keep characters mysterious). Not everything needs to be a good standalone illustration (heck if you want an example, Tintin. It's a very simple style but it keeps the stories clear and the characters funny and memorable). If it's a new place, I let myself go bonkers with making it aesthetic.
Either way, I know you must have heard this a lot but just get it done. If you still don't like something after finishing, you can redo it (which is much easier).
No. 755956
>>755772yes, women should completely ignore it. You will lose a few followers, maybe a few "mutuals" (artists are leeches that throw eachother under the bus whenever convenient anyway) but it'll benefit you, and the female nsfw community at large in the end.
People who are deep into cancel culture get dopamine rushes out of feeling powerful over you. Just don't give them that power
No. 756140
>>756116https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/#:~:text=Results%20indicated%20that%2062%25%20of,at%20least%20once%20a%20week.
It was a small sample size because anything concerning sex, sexuality, etc. never gets any recognition/funding beyond LGBT+ numbers or STDs. If there could be actually reliable studies into human sexuality being the ones that are more interested in pushing religious, puritan or misogynistic views that women consuming any form of pornography (including fictional) makes them not want to be a woman/wife and pseudoscience about how human sex/sexuality work lead by sexually repressed people.
Anyways, you don't need therapy over something that goes on inside of your head/in a controlled environment. A mental/fictional fantasy about something doesn't equate to wanting it done in real life where you could actually risk being seriously injured or worse. Fantasies are reasonably healthy and normal given that they're generally within someone's mind space and if they are played out, done so in controlled environments.
No. 756163
>>756140What are you trying to promote here? What's the purpose of you digging your heels commenting on how coomer art is somehow liberating to women and we should let women appropriate and pornify lesbian sex for anyone that finds it titillating atm. Sure women should have the freedom to pornify and degrade themselves if they want to (they have freewill), they already do what are you talking about. But it doesn't have to be accepted or celebrated here if that's what you're trying to get at. Go to reddit if you want to talk about how liberating coomer art is, you'll be well received there.
Also thanks to the people replying to this doofus. A small niche of anime art (yaoi) is no where near the same level as all the other genres of art of women usually being an ornament or pretty little plaything. What world are you living in. When the amount of tattoos of pin up/sexy men equals the amount of random pretty (usually naked) women tattooed on men and women maybe come back and say it's the same thing.
No. 756180
>>756163Nothing? I was pointing out a statistic. Someone asked for a statistic, I pointed out one. You seem very upset that people like art that you don't. There's already been a sizeable discussion that women tend to self insert themselves when they make pornographic and pinup art.
Also, it isn't just a small niche. Check out in the romance and erotica section of art, a novel, etc. and you'll get a bunch of pretty guys that exist to be the perfect male. There is a sizeable amount of artists who do male pinups as well.
No. 756183
>>756140Getting turned on by a man getting rough because he's super horny (which many women refer to as "rape") and getting turned on by thinking of literal rape are two different things. Most of the time women mean the first one, while men get off to the latter. Mostly what's harmful is men being unable to get off without imagining their patner not wanting to have sex, and the women who enable that behaviour I guess. Same thing could be said about ddlg.
But generally, if you're into degrading and humilitaing yourself, you may have some traumas or issues you're just attempting to cope with, and men take advantage of that. Of course though everyone's free to act however they want.
No. 756207
>>756163Honestly all this talk about how "women actually love to self-insert in coomer porno" reminds me of all that retarded "women love to masturbate while ogling and being turned on by their sexy naked bodies in the mirror" narrative parroted by AGP trannies. Maybe some women love to draw themselves being violated, we already had that one nutjob posted upthread that had a weird genital nullification fetish, but what the original anon was saying was that most prolific female NSFW artists just imitate male coomer art instead of creating something that's meant for the female gaze
while sexualizing male bodies for them. So sort of what Sakimichan is doing with female characters but only male.
Not any of that stupid "this male character is manspreading while fully clothed but showing a bit of a bare chest here" she farts out to make it look like she's "serving both sides".
And even when they
do attempt to do something like that they instantly get canceled for "fetishization" and whatever because making male bodies vulnerable and objectified is a huge taboo if you're not a male yourself. Men (and the society in general) find women being in power over them more terrifying than anything so if a female NSFW artist wants to make a career in that field, sadly their only option is to keep pandering to men while claiming that they totally find this mommy milker ahegao fetish hot.
>>756183Calling it a rape fetish is misleading on so many levels anyway. If you like it and want it i.e. have it as a fetish, it's not fucking rape. It's rough consensual fucking and being seen as so desirable your partner can't control themselves. Next these fucks are going to mention the "actually women can orgasm during rape" meme, I just know it.
No. 756255
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>>756207Original coomer female artist anon here. Thank you for stating my points in a much more clear, concise way. I'm glad someone else sees the issue in that way.
>Honestly all this talk about how "women actually love to self-insert in coomer porno" reminds me of all that retarded "women love to masturbate while ogling and being turned on by their sexy naked bodies in the mirror" narrative parroted by AGP trannies.This so much.
>>>756163>Also thanks to the people replying to this doofus. A small niche of anime art (yaoi) is no where near the same level as all the other genres of art of women usually being an ornament or pretty little plaything. What world are you living in. When the amount of tattoos of pin up/sexy men equals the amount of random pretty (usually naked) women tattooed on men and women maybe come back and say it's the same thing.Also this. Almost entire art history legitimates female portrayals as submissive, decorative objects
and do not come at me with some gay artists, they often did the same thing anyway and you must be blind or in denial to deny the tendency No wonder it's so normalized even today. See pic related, among other examples. Since apparently we live in an age of equality, I wish female artists would turn the sexualized gaze on men. And sure, you can say 'but women are naturally prettier, no wonder they are more present in art!'. I call bullshit on that. If men were sexualized/aestheticized like women are, we would think the same about them. Because we would see only pretty/handsome men in art.
No. 756258
>>756255Can you just drop it already. People have given you counter points and you just keep deflecting them. You obviously have no intention to change your mind no matter how many alternatives you're given so why keep going.
This subject is already done and mulled over. Let it die.
No. 756276
>>756116Mmk, not according to actual psychologists. Nothing wrong with having a kink that you play out in a safe way. This place is so prudish, honestly you need to get laid.
>>756183I pretty much fully agree with most of what you said here. There's absolutely a difference but most people who talk online about having those fantasies are aware they're playing out in a controlled manner and that it's all play. It's a fine line and can definitely be crossed, but it's not unhealthy or bad for you to have those fantasies, it's pretty normal. I think overall though you're pretty on point with this comment.
No. 756280
>>756268NTA but that's all you got from this?
>Multiple anons are talking about how female NSFW artists gravitate towards pandering to male degeneracy with extreme fetishes because that's what they have to do in order to stay afloat as it's a deeper societal issue concerning how the female sexuality is still repressed and female audiences are afraid of sexualizing men even when they would like to>ya but… have u considered that… some women self insert into that monster tit anal gaping dick girl porn hmmmmm???Whatever. Some people are just built thick skulled I guess.
No. 756285
>>756280I haven't read this entire argument, I just think it's dumb to act like women don't self insert. The art that started this whole thing wasn't even "monster tit anal gaping dick girl porn".
>>756281Never said that but alright. I forgot that on lolcow everyone you disagree with is either a scrote or a twitterfag
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>>756285>The art that started this whole thing wasn't even "monster tit anal gaping dick girl porn". So what, it was still male gazey coomer shit except legitimazed by the artist's skill and minimum tact. So erotica, I guess.
Kek at her bio:
>Relm is an oil painter and amateur sculptor born in Sarajevo, Bosnia and raised in NYC. Her work ranges from erotic dream-like and desolate settings to unique twists on basic portraiture. The beings she creates are innocent outcasts, exiled into their fairytale worlds. Every piece is a small glimpse into their destitute lives. Behind each set of doe eyes and pouty lips, there is a background full of diverse emotions and individual experiences to connect to.So she literally paints "innocent outcasts" with "doe eyes" and "pouty lips". Yeah, she sure expresses female sexuality with that!
One of her artworks literally looks like a screencap of Belle Delphine's porn. So female gazey uwu.
Sidenote: if you look at Realm's website, all of her coomer prints aresold out (except for like 1). You can still buy her regular, nonsexy portraits of women. Really makes you think.
No. 756301
>>756281I think you're an extremist fixated on your personal view on sex being the only right, legitimate one. Just because a woman has no issue sexualizing herself or other women it doesn't mean she's traumatized or
victim of some idiotic brain-washing. If you want more pegging porn draw it yourself, fucks' sake
No. 756307
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>>756292Samefag, this article says Ethan is originally from Texas but lives in california, so would he even be able to register a religion in Texas? This is from a year ago
https://www.framefreakstudio.com/ethan-becker-visual-developer/ No. 756313
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>>756237I’m a tinfoil weirdo and you can usually tell someone’s personality from the kind of artwork they do, and the kind of artwork he does really makes my mind tumble. A majority of his instagram is covered with women, women with balloon lips, and minority women who are specifically black or brown or their features. It’s incredible how people will call me a twitterfag for pointing out that this texan motherfucker always draws sexualized women and people who don’t have a diversified look to them. That is how he sees his little world, considering he has an asian fiancé which he stated in one of his videos is currently struggling in the same industry he’s in, doesn’t even show her content or her art, doesn’t help her out. He’s clearly a white savior type
No. 756315
>>756255I'm a female artist who does NSFW on the side and everything you said resonates with stuff I've seen so much. I try to make art that fits my own interests, but art featuring female nudity almost always does best for me on Twitter, as opposed to solo male/male-focused art. There's a ton of incentive to draw art that will appeal to straight men, and playing up a "slutty" persona, like you're just as into it as your fanbase will only increase the attention you get.
And if straight female porn artists are just "self-insterting" why do they so often only make art that focuses on the woman? When straight men self insert they usually don't draw the man at all, and instead draw a floating cock lol. Why don't we see a ton of female self-insert artists drawing men fucking a floating vagina or faceless girls?
No. 756386
>>756373because it is. i dont see people shit on the wonderbread/deforestation guy (beyond his meme) for liking big tiddied girls stockpiling wonderbread like covid panic-buyers, and that is infinitely more niche than a noncon kink.
its porn. a fantasy. as it not reality. affecting no real people. its not like they're going out and committing actual rape. if you cant tell the difference between porn and a criminal act, then thats between you and a psychiatrist.
(porno infighting) No. 756389
>>756386Nta, but It's not the niche-ness of the kink that makes it wrong. Thinking white women buying wonderbread is sexy is a lot different from a rape kink. I'm not a "kinkshamer" and I usually don't care if people are into bdsm shit
I like it myself so I would be a hypocrite, but I will gladly judge people for being into rape.
I'm not even sure how or if any of this is related to art though.
No. 756496
>>756390the answer to that is 1. they're more interested in making money and honestly, can't blame them. I'm not really bout to ask someone go hungry or homeless becuase damn scrotes or whatever or 2. they just don't like drawing it.
if you want to see women drawing men in a sexualized way, look beyond something that's mainstream.
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This is from a while ago, but I haven't seen it posted yet, it caused a bit of discourse. Do you think it's pretentious or making a valid point?
No. 756521
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Not milk but what are the minimum requirements / key terms to be as capable as the average convention artist?
/ic/ can provide books but a library doesn't offer much railroading.
No. 756731
>>756237I was there with him on the stream and he cut a lot of personal shit from rice pirate and some other stuff
Seems like is just a joke
No. 756772
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The self-proclaimed spoonie has been dumped. Just earlier today she posted a video of her ex.
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>>756772She was suicide baiting and her roommate posted this. Imagine using your breakup to fund raise a therapy dog.
After the findsai gfm bs and now this, gfm is fucking ruined by narcissists
No. 756888
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any farmers interested in brainstorm burbank? There's a free scholarship thing for people who are female (everyone)
and would they want to be art buddies
No. 756928
>>756830They got together sometime mid-2020. She never had a relationship before this and would tweet about how she wanted to be in one so badly, then started tweeting things like "omg I think I have a crush on someone and he's perfect!!!" then suddenly they were dating.
He never seemed into her from his socials (his twitter and instagram are BRANTENDO64) while she was obsessive and drew him as a TV head while she drew herself as a bunny character that was always trying to kiss him.
I feel like she basically pressured him into the relationship from the get-go and he finally couldn't handle how clingy she was.
No. 756966
>>756949I've been following her for years and never noticed any other relationships, also right after she got dumped this time she nuked all pictures and posts about Brandon (the one that dumped her yesterday) so I'm surprised if she actually keeps evidence of her other exes online.
The way she was so obsessed with getting a boyfriend before him led me to believe she was a turbo virgin.
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>>753377>>753409Sorry for bringing up an old topic, but from the art style I'm 99% sure this is polyglotplatypus, a fairly popular tumblr user.
rundown/ old milk:
-Got in a lot of drama in the homestuck fandom. Generally what would happen is they'd cross some kind of line with their coomer art/ behaviour, get called out, then double down.
-most notorious incident was when they drew a comic featuring one of their homestuck OCs graphically raping another, and then got in a bunch of arguments with other tumblr users where they would insist that it was actually the
victim's fault for provoking the rapist or something.
-there's a 50 page long google doc callout
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yBOg7aCn_DvkSbRmTuDtyEMyuqKfFEk7mrcvcsE2QUg/editIt's very boring.
-used to claim to be dmab (even drew a comic about getting a boner), but looks like a fat FTM (pic-rel, check tag 'my face' on the their tumblr if you want to see other pics and make your own mind up)
-huge munchie vibes, has claimed a laundry list of mental and physical ailments including fibromyalgia, the munchie bingo free space (off the top of my head a few others are bipolar, bpd, autism, adhd, inability to metabolise serotonin and dopamine(?) and diabetus).
-talks about the genital nullification shit even on their normal tumblr, but passes it off as nonsexual and just part of their ~nonbinary transition~
-has claimed to have been raped, which may be where some of this insane shit is coming from (although it could also just be something they made up to deflect from the rape comic drama)
Also, am I reading right that she's claiming to be Brazilian? Cuz she's French (name is Adrien Perret) and white as milk.
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>>756772She posted this on her personal ig story. It's kind of shameful how she's airing her dirty laundry like this publicly. Definitely reeks of obsessive girlfriend. I'm concerned she's going to try to kill her ex honestly. Not an ounce of professionalism in her and there never was
No. 757412
>>757400The worst part is that puccanoodles' fans are children who are shitting on this guy relentlessly. I see nothing wrong with what he said. It sounds like he was honest with her.
>>756868What a fucking enabler
>>757399This is so disgusting I honestly just have nothing to say. I hate the modern "art" community sometimes.
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>being checked into a hospital because your bf of less than a year broke up with you
>much love
She is so coddled and unable to function and tries to add the much love! <3 at end.. she sounds stupid. She clearly doesn’t love herself if she can’t handle a breakup without checking into a hospital
How the fuck did she become a professional artist
No. 757418
>>757400She’s being dramatic, shes
toxic and threatened suicide to her precious partners if they didn’t Disney princess her 100%. Good on Bran for escaping, bitch is a psycho and NOW a munchie
No. 757441
>>757415>>757418No pics of her actually in a hospital, inb4 she's just pulling the suicide attempt card to try to get Brantendo's attention or get him back in some twisted way. Wouldn't be beyond her.
His socials have been silent since she spazzed online about him dumping her and he likely knew she'd go insane like this after cutting her loose.
Must be so fucking annoying to be her ex. Surprised he lasted even a couple months with this nutcase.
I remember she'd just film herself in her wheelchair being pushed around by him and he looked like he was being held hostage honestly.
No. 757461
>>757450>>757452There's people that have been violently abused that handled their situations in the public eye with more tact and professionalism than this womanchild has with just getting dumped from her lukewarm relationship of 6 months or so.
She also KNOWS that her hivemind legion of fans will dogpile on Brantendo and she's purposely no holds barred posting about him like he's the most evil man in the world.
People are allowed to leave a relationship if they don't like you anymore you obsessive psycho woman.
No. 757464
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>>757415How needy can she get? She's apparently tweeting this from in the hospital after her apparent suicide attempt from being dumped. Someone take away her phone it's absolutely embarrassing.
Next she'll just straight up ask people to give her their money so she can buy her her dream purebred puppy for "mental health" reasons– oh wait
No. 757465
>>757464I thought they take away your phone if you threaten or attempt suicide? I could be wrong
And yea she’s deliberately designing this to make him out like some cruel monster. I didn’t really get the sense that he said anything that horrible either. She’s a fucking wack job and probably exhausting to be in a relationship with.
No. 757467
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>>757415Is this seriously the level of skill you need to have to be a professional nowadays? I don't know anything about her but look at this anatomy and these chicken scratch lines. It's not awful but I'd expect better from someone who's a supposed professional.
No. 757471
>>757467There's a saying that the storyboard and clean-up department in the animation industry is notoriously influenced by cronyism. It speaks truth more than ever now. She went to an expensive artschool and mingled with the circle so it's quite natural how she got here.
remember folks, marketing skill over artistic integrity.
No. 757479
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>>757467People have on and off been talking about her mediocre art on artist salt for ages now. It looks like absolute garbage and besides the bad anatomy and linework she can barely draw any poses besides standing/sitting at a 3/4 angle and her faces all look the same. Also her style is just ugly and she sucks at conveying emotion for an animator (pic attached is her genuine attempt at drawing a sad/emotional scene)
I think she wouldn't be as much of a cow though if it wasn't for her garbage womanchild personality to boot.
No. 757480
>>757465You're probably right and she's likely not in the hospital or actually attempted suicide. No pics and her roommate when asked didn't say she did anything over getting dumped except that she's fine, kek.
It's all a shameless guilt trip to try to get Brantendo's attention and to get her hivemind of fans to dogpile on him for his crime of dumping her clingy ass.
No. 757481
>>757399 Completely unrelated to the art drama but it made me laugh your reasons for her to be lying about being brazilian. First, because there's a lot of freedoom in what you can name your child (I could go register my kid's full name as Spring Summer Fall Winter, and they would probably accept it. Also, immigrants are a thing) and also because there's so many people of all types. Filipe Neto is a popular brazillian youtuber and he's as white as this cow. No south american country is 100% populated by whatever image people in the us have of latinos.
I'm sorry but this is just so funny to me. Anyway, back to the milk
No. 757511
>>757479Makes sense, storyboarding is the place where you can throw any dumbass into and hide their presence while the more talented people do the actual work they sell.
>>757479>Mediocre artYou're too kind, anon. Judging by the fact that she's a supposed professional it's not even mediocre, it's just bad as in unpolished, unfinished, no depth, no emotion, no movement which is rich considering that she's in the animation industry. If she was a random instagram artist without much of a following or that godawful personality I wouldn't glance twice but the fact that she's done actual professional work in the industry is what ups the standards expected.
No. 757528
>>757521Just because you think her boards are good doesn’t mean there aren’t absolute hacks working in storyboarding who got there through networking.
>>757511nta but I took a look through her online portfolio and not even her illustrations are good, it’s just all around mediocre. Like someone just entering art school.
No. 757546
>>757528the animation industry is not about how much you know, it's about who you know. If you have friends in the industry, they can put in a good word for you or show the very very busy production managers your portfolio. Or, they might be looking for someone, and that friend can offer you up as someone available. It's just how the animation industry is structured at the moment. You can be enormously talented, but if you don't have the connections, getting in will be twice as hard.
if you're good enough and do a decent job, but you have a lot of connections, that's worth a lot more
No. 757553
>>757544Yeah I've just looked into this really quickly and it seems like it's key to get featured on platforms like Nifty and Superrare and for that you have to get through their application process. So basically you already have to be established in some form. I guess you could get lucky going independent but idk.
What I'd like it know is what you're actually buying - like are the shitty 3D animations 3D files or just video files?
No. 757582
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>>757576>>757573just saw this post, sounds like it may be something like that too
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>>757521Why are you wking Marie's shitty art and using the storyboarder excuse when there are plenty of storyboarders that can actually draw in the loose/quick and it doesn't look like dogshit? Example image is storyboarder Caroline Director
In fact this just highlights how stiff and chicken scratch Marie's art is.
No. 757696
>>757691Nta but anon is right, storyboarding isn’t about art skill but the skill of conveying the idea. Her boards are simple for others to follow.
Her other work is absolute dog shit though
No. 757813
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>>757696problem is that what pucca can convey with her storyboards is very limited. She is mostly hired to do shot-reverse-shot conversations. Other storyboarders around her age surpass her work by a longmile.
No. 757815
>>757737furry or not, what a reach. Drawing anthropomorphic characters is a normal thing forever done in animation
If the guy is a furry at least I'm happy he's a creative one and not a trans furry with a diaper fetish on twitter
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Me sitting here lurking at the butthurt anons who are still under the assumption that companies hire for talent only
Absolute kek
No. 757844
>>757830As in gesture, shot composition etc
I know they're sketches you retard, otherwise I wouldn't have posted the picture
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New instagram recommendation to grow your account. I don't know any good artist who wants to maintain a clean feed who has enough work to post at this frequency. You have to backlog work or constantly post sketched/wip. Instagram made it even more obvious they are artist friendly
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>>757532Making tons of money from it. These people arguing about the environmental issues are dumb and don't even know how crypto, NFTs, POW of POS works. If your art is good, hop in the community and have fun.
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>>758064Started 6 months ago, used rarible and opensea. Never posted my art online before and I'm not even an established artist. I just entered for the fun and because I like crypto. Its turning pretty well. I have secure a year of rent just with one piece. My art is not even withing the realm of those shitty 3D art on Nifty Gateway, there are incredible and innovative people in the community and only crypto icnels. Do your research on crypto and NFTs and is all good.
No. 758082
>>757521NTA bur storyboarding is actually really difficult, at least from what I know being a live action storyboard artist. I don’t know anything about animation storyboarding but there’s more overlap then there are differences.
You have to be able to draw incredibly fast, painfully so, and you have to work from a script and with a really picky director who has a clear idea of what they want but no way to show it. You are just the director’s tool to be used. You have to be a grade A listener and communicator. If I couldn’t type so fast I’d be screwed, I have to sit there with the director over the phone and wrote down notes on everything then want for like an hour for a 30 second commercial.
When you’re a storyboard artist you don’t have any references, you have to pull everything out of your imagination from directions like “character A comes in camera left down shot camera pas left medium” etc. You also have to know camera moves.
I could be wrong but I don’t think nepotism could be a thing in storyboarding because it’s a job that requires someone who is generally extremely proficient in multiple drawing and communication skills.
But
That girl does suck at drawing from what I’ve seen posted here.
Storyboard artists like me don’t really need to put in emotion or gesture but I think it shows that someone is really bad when they can’t do it even in their own doodles
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>>758069That's very interesting anon, I hope those sites haven't been seriously infested yet. Normies ruin everything, they should stick to buying Logan Paul clips.
>>758104>mfwDid that anon really think that was a dig?
The only crime I've seen so far is that horrid picture of bakugou having sex with deku's ghost after he committed suicide. That shit's haram No. 758180
>>758170I used to sell adoptables on the side, and i generally generated 200-300 dollars per design.
TBH the community runs on a very strict honor code since there isnt a real legality of owning adoptables unless you paid thousands to trademark it. So, remember to make a masterlist, even if you do not pursue the CS route.
Also, the CS route tends to be the most popular to way to make money because you can make a community that thrives on events and new releases. I've seen one CS that goes for 2000-5000 usd per design on toyhouse, and if you have a dedicated team, small mod batches can easily totaled 2000 as well.
This business is really risky though. Unless you are a popular artist, a notable brand designer, or well liked by other people, most beginner adoptables goes for ~45 usd. This is something you should keep in mind. Marketing matters.
No. 758187
>>758180What is an adoptable and what is CS?
why would anyone want to "adopt" a random drawing? legit questions
No. 758199
>>758187I don't want to rain on anyone's parade so pro-adoptable anons may want to look away but
I think it's usually just people with poor impulse control seeing something pretty and trying to fill a void. On the seller's end, it's an easy-ish way to get money for something you don't
have to put much work into, or for something you were already wanted to draw anyways. The majority of people I knew
admittedly from high school that bought them never used them for much of anything, just threw money at them, collected them on their toy house, and bought another when the serotonin ran out. There are some good artists who make adoptables that genuinely seem pretty unique and thought out, but I've seen so many that just shit out generic or poorly done designs on the same base and sell them for just as much.
I also have qualms with the idea of purchasing a pre-designed character and making up a personality for them after the fact, but that's because I have a stick up my ass over thinking it should go the other way around, ie. develop who the character is in your head and then make a design based on and incorporating that characterization. No. 758216
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>>757870Shit like this just makes me sad. Insta popularity sucks the life out of art.
No. 758221
>>758216This is why I left instagram a few years back. I've taken months long breaks on twitter and still had my posts do well, Instagram is just not for artists who don't want to shit out lifeless Pinterest girls every day.
Twitter may be
toxic but if you keep your head down and just draw you'll be fine.
No. 758258
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>>758067This is fucking bullshit. On Rarible you have to set up a wallet, invest in cryptocurrency even if you're the seller, and you have to pay fairly high fees every time you tokenize digital art and change the blockchain by selling something. You basically have to potentially toss away $100 every fucking time you want to create an NFT and every time you sell it. And you don't know if someone will buy your art, so this is just the usual gambling rich people like to do. I love how people always fail to mention these "little" details and always say "do your research" instead.
What's even worse is that you can just take a random picture from pinterest and sell it as your own. There's no real way to tell if you're really the creator of a digital piece of art. Right now some fucker is screenshotting tweets containing art to tokenize and sell them.
No. 758266
>>758216Man I just see so many young artists proudly show off their regression as progress on instagram.
So many of them are super young and already limiting themselves to only draw what's popular without regard to the fundamentals. And then they always want to become professional artists and think that their large follower count is going to take them there.
I wonder how some of them would have progressed if instagram wasn't a thing. If there was maybe an art specific social media that encouraged growth and experimentation. All this potential down the drain. The best way to use instagram is to just post what you make and not make just to post it, and it works out so much better for more mature people who have experience and already settled into a style rather than impressionable teenagers who get hooked on likes. And this is a personal pet peeve but I fucking hate the basic procreate instahoe style, I don't even follow any of those artists and it's still all over my explore page
No. 758289
Ok honest question time now. How do we go on with posting art from now on? there is no way we can block all accounts, there are too much. our watermarks don't matter. our meta tags on pics don't matter too i assume. what do we do now?
basicly even low res shit could be stolen. it doesn't matter how we personally stand against crypto or nfts, they just take it.
? i'm seriously lost. i would really like to keep on sharing work, seeing work of my art friends. but you know, someone else making bank while i stay piss poor creating the work that they just steal from me.
even older works can be taken. how the fuck does posting art now go on? everything behind paywalls? everyone locking their accounts, getting no growth?
sorry for rambling, but what do we do now. we basicly have 0 power anymore.
before it was always a risk to post, now??
they can always resurface with new accounts, it's like a pointless fight.
No matter if it's on twitter or other sites.
don't laugh about me, i'm being seriously anxious.
i don't want to give up that hobby because of this.
but i mean, even if i would say fuck this.. i selll my own work then. i'm pretty sure we and most of us don't have any funds to keep such stuff going.
this feels like hell. laugh all you want.
i don't want to suffer while someone becomes an millionare, if it's my work or other ppls work.
it's not fair.
this is fucking crazy.
how the fuck do copyrights protect anything? it really feels like the world is at a point where everyone just fucks around. and i kind of get it, getting sucked into not caring anymore.
but this isn't the right answer. that's not caring about anyone who lives after us.
ughgdsgdbkdjkbdgf sry it really fucks me up.
it's not like a fucking ad we can ignore. this could happen to anyone. click. someone sold your art without you even fucking knowing.
sorry for whining, what can we do? how can we protect ourselves?(integrate)
No. 758306
>>758067-
very curious about all this and if i'm understanding correctly, you have to pay for an artwork to be minted but it's only gonna be up for auction in a certain amount of time and that's it? it's just gone? what if no one buys the artwork? do i just have to pay again to keep it up there?
No. 758498
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>>758271Crypto is not for everyone. You have to actually study a bit instead of making all these arguments that are not, in fact, real.
No. 758500
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>>758492I say big brain, what does he got to gain from holding back? He is definitely asking for too much though money tho.
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>>758549https://everestpipkin.medium.com/but-the-environmental-issues-with-cryptoart-1128ef72e6a3Good read about it, tl;dr to "mine" cryptocurrency you need a computer to solve "puzzles" putting work into it that gives value to the currency, it's value can't come from thin air, it's a proof of work. Currently the puzzles got so difficult it requires multiple computers a long time to solve one puzzle and mine one coin; all of this energy spent obviously is not very eco friendly.
No. 758565
>>758549>>758559what ^ said. the rooms/computers/buildings/energy required to mine cryptocurrency and specifically NFTs is enough to power entire villages and small towns (and current cryptofarms overseas already are stealing valuable resources from the small towns they're planted in). another reason i'm wholeheartedly convinced that this is just another bullshit hypetrain manifested by hustler dudebros invested in crypto in order to trick artists and other smallbrains into taking on more of the financial/energy burden of NFT/crypto mining.
i also saw an IG post earlier today talking about how one of the bigger artists that's really been pushing cryptoart/profitting off of it recently wasted a shit-ton of power/energy just to mine a few thousand dollars for himself. gonna try to find it to see if i can link here
No. 758566
>>758497Which is what I fucking said, cunt. They call them tokenized tweets as a way to avoid being called art thieves, but you know that their intention is to show the artwork and its author and sell that instead of the single png/jpeg file of the artwork. It's like putting a photo of your artwork onto a piece of paper with some letters and sell that as a "piece". It's shit move. Doubt anyone would buy tweets, but you never know what people do for the sake of money laundering.
>>758498Crypto is for people who can afford to gamble with money. You're not smart, you haven't studied more than anyone else, you just have a lot of money (and a fair amount of luck) to throw away in order to gain a lot more. Stop spreading this meme that crypto can make poor or struggling people rich by just pressing keys on your computer and studying, to get started you always need money.
Why don't you explain why the things anon said are not, in fact, real?
No. 758594
>>758581The problem though is that stuff like this encourages people to go after these artists and witch hunt. NFT is still a hot topic that has the entire community outraged and in these situations people won't be the most reasonable.
NFT is bad yeah but people should be allowed to expose their opinion without having their URL literally put on a public blacklist being shared in a panicking community ready to attack anyone who doesn't condemn Cryptoart.
No. 758613
>>758598there's literally already website calculators that people can use to see how much of a harmful environmental impact a particular piece of cryptoart creates for our earth so denying any negativity in NFT is laughable at best
ex:
http://cryptoart.wtf/#https://superrare.co/artwork-v2/dope-10242 i can only imagine how frustrated people living overseas in those towns being drained of their power and resources must feel. but god forbid someone gives a shit about something bigger than themselves or making coin.
No. 758636
>>758629(sage)
Nobody here said that factories and such aren't harmful. Everyone and their grandma knows that they are.
The thing is that NFL/Cryptoart can be just as harmful, with actual fucking proof available, and people (like you) are actively choosing to turn a blind eye to that.
Just because you can't see the damage right in front of you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's fine to say you're okay with it but at least acknowledge the damage it can cause.
No. 758639
>>758631>>758633>>758633kek you must be the one. lot of talking about how good it is for you and how other people are stupid but not real examples.
Stop samefagging
No. 758656
>>758648So I guess people with the same opinion have also the same retarded writing style. But ok.
You seem angry for no reason, calm down and then respond instead of shitting out replies
No. 758657
>>758644are you seriously comparing nft, which demands a fuckton of servers and loads of energy enough to power a town, to deviantart which probably has a single shitty server that does nothing? you sound like you have no arguments but is too stubborn to give in.
at least come up with SOME argument. like any.
No. 758658
>>758644Everything is contributing to climate change, thats the whole point, stop adding NFT to that equation since it's neither a necessity and an unnoticeable addition. It's
problematic both from ecology standpoint and copyright standpoint, right not it's just not morally right to shill so hard for it.
No. 758681
>>758644why are you so defensive
if you're makin such good money from crypto, why do you come on an anon board to defend it, when you can take the occasion and profit from lack of competition
No. 758684
>>758629kek could you be any more full of shit, nobody thinks your 'blip blop' artworks are doing the literal damage to the environment, it's the energy consumption required to generate crypto currency. Also who the fuck said big factories are 'somehow not as bad'? You're just pulling imaginary arguments out of your ass. Get used to the unsurprising fact that not everyone is going to be on board with the exchange rate of your ass ugly blender GIFs for literal tons of carbon entering the atmosphere. I guess we're all just supposed to look the other way so a handful of no-talents can continue making bank off taste-negative dipshits.
>>758631>more money for REAL artistsSo real artists are the ones that churn out meaningless shit purely for cash grab purposes, got it.
(infighting) No. 758692
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This is all I'm going to contribute to this infighting bs. Please read some actual, well-sourced and cited information on crypto-related energy use and the prospective impact:
https://www.iea.org/commentaries/bitcoin-energy-use-mined-the-gap (2019)
https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(21)00083-0 (2021)
You can be fatalistic and nonchalant about it all you want, but don't deny that it's not having completely unnecessary effects on not only the environment but also the consumer graphics card market. Image from 2021 article.
No. 758712
>>758702>That persons input wasn't valuable but bans discourage discussions altogether. Then learn how to have discussions without shitflinging and you wouldn't get banned. (Not you specifically but anons ITT). Like
>>758703 said, they were unnecessarily aggressive and infighting, which is why that anon was banned.
No. 758786
>>758589I'm gonna be making money with my art and you're just gonna cry because your shitty anime fanart do not sell one print.
In some years, when all the world adopts blockchain, you will be behind and crying for not taking your chance.
My crypto, my money. It's not for idiots.
(autism) No. 758787
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>>758613This is about decentralization of power, not only art. Is funny to see that now that artists are actually able to own and manage their own art this "muh the planet" started.
Go back to buy on zara and eat meat. You're saving the planet!!
No. 758970
>>758787kek being the one anon you're referring to w/ "eat meat" + being a vegan is all the self satisfaction i need for the night sailor moon samefag.
like
>>758960 said, artists being able to own and manage their art has always existed (at least as much as shitty US and online copyright law will continue to allow it to). I'll believe this is about "decentralization of power" when I see more people than just rich college kids with money to invest in crypto as is/already established large artists or names pushing in this shit.
you really have to be joking if you think you're decentralizing the power by continuing to enforce the boujee ass high end art market status quo - except with cryptoart that's even more of a stretch because the only thing you're decentralizing is money from artists into the bank accounts of the investors circlejerking this hypetrain. it's literally pay to play gambling for artists for an investment they may never see a return on and the environmental impact of the power grid of most european small towns.
No. 759073
>>758786nice that i got you with the lil elon musks. and as i thought. you do act as stupid as they are.
you think you own the thing. you don't.
you think artists are soo stupid and can't do business. wrong. we do.
also i don't draw anime fanart nor do i sell prints.
you already proven yourself to be a douche and idiot.
what you do does not go under copyright laws.
your funny money is no real money.
i bet and i know that all the artists doing honest commission work and contracts for copyrights to works are doing more money, and real money than you will ever get with this shit.
you are probably mining this shit on your parents electrical bill posing on the web like a lil elon.
the whole world can't do this. cuz some places are piss poor. that piss poor places get the shit as first from your eco damage.
people with brains don't like nft. they won't support it. they support the artists.
and people are more educated and aware than ever. so we will side with real artists. not people who exploit us for ''funny'' money.
you want to be a millionare so bad cuz you can't get anything meaningful done with your pathetic lifetime. it ain't working bro.
as i stated i am anoxious about further posting works online. cuz it's a fucking annoyance having to fight off such things. we have better things to do with our lifetime. not fighting with dmcas with such pricks.
that's why it's so annoying. i do know you guys try and try. but it won't work.
our supporters are stronger than you. your shit is not welcome in the art community.
if you want to mine do it. keep art out of it. you don't understand our business anyways.
(unbridled autism) No. 759082
>>759074"the whole world can't do this. cuz some places are piss poor. that piss poor places get the shit as first from your eco damage.
"
how is that right-wing?
No. 759157
File: 1615472540096.png (253.79 KB, 1098x906, -.PNG)
Yes, crypto is ending our planet.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 759245
>>759197ooooo!! Thank you anon! I've been eyeing it since I'm graduating soon and won't be able to keep photoshop updated since the school pays for adobe suite.
Have you used it at all? would you say it's worth the money?
No. 759256
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>>757399>>753377i can see the similarities. here are some screenshots of an oldish comic from her tumblr. she uses the same color schemes
No. 759258
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>>759256oh, i also just noticed the similarities with the handwriting too. she might have Brazilian family or a grandparent or something, there has to be some kernel of "truth" to her lie. pretending to be another nationality gives her plausible deniability.
No. 759304
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>>759258>>757399Yeah, I was skeptical at first but the more I look at it the more it seems like they're the same person. They both have the same anal fetish, use the same color schemes, font, are both degenerates, have similar character designs and art styles.
No. 759429
File: 1615502368404.jpg (553.54 KB, 2047x2010, EwJ_atWXYAAGtAh.jpg)
why do people post these when there is very little to no improvement made.
I'd like to see ones with actual improvement, it's usually just regression or no change in the timeframes.
No. 759452
>>759069There is absolutely an argument to be made that crypto decentralizes things, from a global monetary system pov. Many people in countries with badly managed currencies use crypto for purchases, or just another store of value otherwise. Even with how volatile btc is I'd rather have it than Venezuelan bolivar.
Another thing is that it makes it very easy and cheap to move money across borders. A migrant working in the US could very cheaply make remittances to El Salvador for example without getting Western Union or another wire service involved.
You say "it's still capitalism" but keep in mind the original push for crypto was coming from a lot of agorist/ancap spaces, so it's decentralized in that it's a store of value that's out of the hands of central banks, Visa, Bank of America, etc.
No. 759639
>>759429would have been more interesting to see the improvement from when first using markers to now
think the style is just too simple to really improve on
No. 759701
File: 1615539284124.jpg (639.06 KB, 2880x2880, 20210312_164819.jpg)
>>759429I do see improvements though? But i get why you'd say that especially with the timeframe of 2018 to 2021.
There's this one artist i've been following that i do admire their improvement. Dude's Kanonushi on twitter. Doesnt seem like a retard like most artists on there.
No. 759788
>>759429Well at least they did in fact improve even if it's just a little I guess? I've seen a lot of these where people absolutely regressed so the bar is really low now.
I just don't understand why you would participate in this trend if you only improved that little. This artist has skill in both of these and I'm not saying everyone has to make leaps in progress every year but why try to show it off then?
No. 760003
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It's kind of funny that Yueko, who's generally considered "unproblematic" even though she never knows when to shut up, is now getting canceled over NFTs.
No. 760301
File: 1615613247480.jpg (281.58 KB, 1401x1080, 20210313_062629.jpg)
Why does Gen Z loves the cheap hooker look so much?
No. 760468
>>760406an anon from /ic/ wrote his experience, it was on the lines of "I didn't have a sponsor but threw myself at it anyway; no one bought, I wasted money, and lost tons of followers".
You might be impressed by the numbers you see on the side of the picture but the truth is that
1. Without a sponsor it's hard to get noticed, even if you're famous in social media
2. Even if you make tons of bitcoins for your artwork, it's much harder to have that money converted to physical money than you might think. Someone pretty much has to 'buy' your bitcoins, and you won't be able to sell them at once. People on average don't buy more than 1-2 bitcoins at a time
No. 760492
File: 1615645788213.jpg (125.82 KB, 1024x703, EwW57MZVgAMgRAx.jpg)
Omg kawanocy's pedo fanfiction fantasy is pregnant now.
No. 760590
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>>760574I agree, he really is talented. The sparkles and dress look so pretty. Might get shit from this but it seems to me like most popular artists seem to never grow up. Case in point this red flag teenage romance.
No. 760663
>>760652Yeah but it's like not a sign that they're a good writer and can capture a teenagers perspective it's like they're stuck in the emotional immaturity. Same goes with young adult authors or high school teachers/ It's like their stuck in their teenage years mentally and they use their mediums to rewrite/relive their life.
I might be being nasty.
No. 760670
>>760663I'm not really following the logic. It isn't really a sign of anything to create escapist, fantasy art.
the idea that you are not allowed to have escapism is why so many younger people are nihilistic, suicidal, depressed, or have anxiety because they have to be "mature". You can be a mature grown-up and still have teenage escapisms and whims. Those things don't suddenly go away because you grew up.
not to mention at some point… every adult was a teenager. some references and writing might be dated. like damn you sound like a straight joykill. a lot of people make escapist material
because they grew up, not because they're emotionally immature.
No. 760676
>>760670samefag but tangently related because i just thought of it.
escapist media and fantasy (like Kawanocy's story) are brain popcorn. Everyone has junk/comfort food they make or consume and something being the equivalent of brain popcorn isn't what makes it bad or immature.
Granted, it was in relation to their analysis on Twilight but the point still stands. Unless you're going to consider every writer/artist who has created some escapist fantasy to be immature for not depriving themselves of what amounts to emotional junk food.
No. 760699
>>760676nayrt, i agree about the brain popcorn. that's why cheesy romance is a guilty pleasure for a lot of people, it appeals to the primal desire of being unconditionally loved and cared for. it's like an ethical equivalent to scrotes' porn.
in this particular case it may be that the emotional investment in this weird obsessive fantasy of being this badass sasuke vampire and impregnating an innocent loli was fuel for him to improve, among other reasons.
No. 760711
File: 1615664285867.png (1.17 MB, 1320x741, beeple.PNG)
Wasnt this bitch like… famous? And sold his other artworks for milions of USD? What the fuck is this performance
No. 760819
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It’s happening bros
No. 760823
File: 1615675373608.gif (1.5 MB, 355x200, 9F5603F2-3436-4FC5-AF7E-0D795A…)
>>760819I can’t wait to see how this plays out kek
looking forward to kawanocy having a possible public mental breakdown
No. 760826
>>760819I can't scream this enough, It's a fucking drawing! These people really need to find something to do with their time other than surfing social media.
Is it cringe or weird, sure, probably but the dogpiling is nuts.
No. 760832
File: 1615676011959.png (297.17 KB, 759x492, Kawanocy nonsense.PNG)
>>760830Seems like the same old shit to me.
No. 760834
>>760819They've tried cancelling him a billion times at this point, I doubt he gives a shit anymore. He has it made in Japan anyway so he can just ignore westerners all he wants.
>>760832Imagine showing this to a sane person who sees two consenting adults having a romantic, domestic relationship while some underage theybian is screeching about muh grooming and pedorape.
>You have no idea what Kawanocy could be doing in real life.Lmao, kissing an adult woman's hand? Jailed for m'lady crimes I guess.
No. 760841
File: 1615677136637.png (Spoiler Image,542.36 KB, 826x596, kapura2.png)
Does someone that draws like this deserve to be cancelled even though it's a woman drawing her own issues?
No. 760872
>>760847So if you draw something to vent and to share because you want to reach out to others that went through the same stuff you went through, and it
somehow can be sexualized, and it will, you’re in the wrong because you should’ve known your trauma is sexy to others and that makes you a
literal pedophile, groomer, rapist.
Do these people go outside at all? I kind of get why it’s awkward, but don’t follow the artist if the vent art makes you uncomfortable? At least they’re doing it because they want to get that stuff out of their mind, not because they find it sexy.
Fuck this shit.
No. 760883
>>760866Images like these don't work as fuel or normalize pedophilia though. Pedos are more likely to watch some lolicon anime literally pandering to them or use tiktok or other social media to perv on real children; pedophiles will cull images off of Facebook and children's clothing websites. Stop reaching over harmless vent art. An exposed nipple doesn't mean sexualization.
>>760847This person just doesn't understand the symbolism, they're probably 14.
No. 760887
>>760866>>760841l don’t think
victims should be pressured to share their experiences, but if you don’t want to deal with others questioning you then you can simply not post that sort of content in the first place. Obviously this artist is different for prefacing the purpose of her artwork and anyone can easily discern she didn’t draw a fantastical or romanticized depiction of her abuse. But artists posting muh trauma art won’t always have that and won’t easily be given the benefit of the doubt for drawing what zoomers will consider visually identical to something a coomer pedo degenerate would come up with. I don’t think it’s rocket science why she would get targeted by gen z accounts. It sucks but it’s really not complicated. This thread has already discussed this multiple times.
You can get attacked online for creating just about anything. I don’t think there will ever be a tangible solution to this outside of artists simply not posting.
No. 760890
>>760887>I don’t think there will ever be a tangible solution to this outside of artists simply not posting.I don't think not posting is not a solution. I don't think "vent art" is the same as drawing art that could go in an exhibition.
I think the solution would be educating zoomers on art. It's funny because zoomers are so driven by aesthetic and seemingly very interested in art… yet they have 0 art education. I'm talking about basic, elementary level art education, like something you would learn about in a textbook, in a classroom. I guess goverments not putting more money into art education really backfired, now we have a bunch of dumb and illiterate zoomzooms attacking artists.
No. 760895
>>760892>posting this kind of gratifying content makes the world a worse placeLiterally how?
How is making more art making the world a worse place?
How is doing art for a gallery making the world a worse place?
Is "saturn eating his son" also making the world a worse place because it is a crazy man eating the bloody corpse of his son and Goya drew it when his health was decaying?
Is "guernica" also making the world a worse place because it deals with the pain of a dictatorship?
Are you this dense? Art makes the world a better place, art is made to have discussions, to provoke other's minds and emotions. It's art's goal. Do you preffer bland, anime fanart by any case? Because for me that's not real art.
People that think they should police artists like this have no place in the art world. Literal nazi burning books rethoric.
No. 760903
>>760902How is that loli art?
and lol no nobody here is a pedo. Get another excuse next time
No. 760904
>>760832this is so damn mellow dramatic. It's a romance between a child who grew up to be an adult and an immortal vampire.
i get it, its technically skeevy IRL but like… this isn't IRL. Not to mention, none of it actually shows signs of //grooming//. Grooming is a pattern of behaviors intended to basically emotionally manipulate and cause the
victim to rely on or grow trusting of the abuser.
in this story, she just fell in love with the vampire dude on her own terms. they really gotta learn that just because you grow up with someone doesn't mean that it is actually grooming if you enter a romantic relationship… especially if it is fictional.
>>760838They do. they somehow manage to target anyone but someone who is an actual pedo/abuser because they think what someone posts on social media (esp when it's an art mostly/only account) is their literal entire life
No. 760908
File: 1615683537780.png (Spoiler Image,2.6 MB, 1158x1637, 8b2d0beb006ac7af73f75e87efbc6f…)
What do you guys think of art like these then?
No. 760909
>>760904kek I agree with you anon but
>mellow dramaticThis is such a cute mistake
No. 760910
>>760866except you literally cannot control what someone does with your artwork. there's no point in pinning that blame on the artist.
>>760892>>760902>This content makes the world a worse placeif you genuinely think the art makes the world a worse place rather than people actually out there causing undue harm to other people you either have a very sheltered life or a naive one.
Using artwork is an acceptable way of coping with trauma. It isn't the responsibility of someone that doesn't know you to cater to how you personally feel trauma should be coped with. Artwork isn't "passing pain" onto other people, the only people that cause pain to others are abusers.
You seriously sound like someone trying to justify putting the blame of abuse on anyone other than the person that actually does the abusing.
No. 760915
>>760914>>760908Stop posting this shit pls
Why are the gross artists always very talented?
No. 760916
>>760908I like the trap you're setting here by posting the few lower key artworks by this ACTUAL pedo pandering artist.
There's so many literal 14 year olds in here acting like half of art history isn't vent art. Most stuff in galleries is conceptual and meant to hold a deeper meaning. Maybe wait for your brain to develop a little more to understand the different between this artist and this one
>>760841. Pedophiles are going to harm children whether they have have art to groom them with regardless stop trying to suffocate people who want to express themselves and go after the actual abusers.
No. 760919
>>760842>>760841>>760847There's literally nothing sexual about these drawings. If anything, they're pretty powerful and showcase the horror of abuse with symbolism. It's only the bible thumping purityfags who look at this and their first thought is how some sick pedo whacks off to it.
And holy shit that wall of text sperg, "Especially the poor girls boob being exposed" what the fuck? People really need to go out and interact with the world more.
No. 760921
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>>760908>>760914>>760915I want to know people's opinion on this thread, this is why I'm posting it. Nothing more. What do you guys think of the these 3 pictures?
No. 760922
>>760918sorry for reposting >>760912I know that this is fictional, and tbh I'm not involved in the whole discussion of whether or not it's ok for artists to make that kind of artwork so I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I just responded because the "
technically it would be bad irl" was very wrong to me. Imo, there's nothing technical about it, if it was irl it would just be disgusting no ifs, ands, or buts.
>It'd be different if she was still kid-lookingI could be wrong, but I think she looked the same in all of kawanocys artwork. His style makes her look young to me tbh
No. 760927
>>760921Idk about anyone else, but the body he drew in
>>760914 is way too realistic for me. I think the bunny drawing is cute, but knowing it was made by the same artist is kinda…blegh. Idk why, but the other two remind me of Made In The Abyss.
No. 760928
The difference between these two are that
>>760841Isn’t showing anything that could make you say, at first glance “this is supposed to be sexual” if anything, it looks like those edgy dissection drawings where you’re supposed to think that the insides with flowers mean something deep like the purity of a sad and empty person.
While this
>>760914Is basically edgy porn that shows the private parts of children. The trope of this porn scenario is the whole “savage” characters that will murder you if there was a wrong move to be made.
>but what’s the difference, anon?!Well, the first drawing isn’t trying to make the character look sexy, it’s not showing any sexual parts and there isn’t a particular scene made, it’s just a character laying down or even standing up with a 9 yards stare.
The second drawing has shapes that are supposed to be interpreted as alluring because if you drew an adult woman doing those, people would automatically think it’s hot, unless you’re a sick motherfucker that already thinks the drawing is hot.
>but why draw anything like that?!?!It has already been said, the first drawing was made as vent art for something that made the artist feel uncomfortable if not miserable.
While the second drawing was made so a retard can coom while looking at children with an edgy tweest to make people’s attention swerve to another conclusion other than the obvious, it’s porn.
No. 760931
>>760915>Why are the gross artists always very talentedBecause they're dedicated to their craft, not the clout. Degenerate or not, artist like Alke, Kawanocy, BadTurquoise, Jlullaby and others of their skill level genuinely love to draw and create. They get better because they love what they do.
>>760921Alke is definitely a skilled artist and I'm jealous of his rendering but even as someone who subscribes to the idea of 'draw whatever you want, fuck everyone else', I'll admit his line of work actually disturbs me more than Shadman's.
No. 760936
>>760921Honest question, are you autistic? Posting actual loli art utilizing hentai tropes from an artist known for being into sexualizing little girls is very different from someone portraying trauma with paintings that are
only meant to make you uncomfortable and express the artist's feelings regarding something they see as horrible, not arousing or "a kink". I swear these twitter zoomers are retarded as fuck with no regards for context or situational awareness in general. It's like they think mushrooms are fruit because they grow from the ground - why bother explaining it to them, if you're ignorant enough to believe something as stupid you're probably just wasting your breath.
No. 760937
>>760934But then, is it really the artist fault?
I like these:
>>760914>>760908>>760842But I don't like them because other people
might fap to them. I just think they're neat, like a storytelling. I think thinking everyone will fap at them is a stretch? Idk really.
No. 760939
>>760935I’m not saying that, I’m just saying that there’s a difference between how you portray something and how it’s interpreted by others.
That there are key features that will attract the attention of the public you want to attract.
No. 760943
File: 1615685717393.jpg (Spoiler Image,94.45 KB, 409x512, unnamed.jpg)
What about Yukaman then? this artist used to be popular in tumblr back in the day. They portray things like eating disorders in a bad light, but with very bright colors.
But then it turns out Yukaman is a guy and has a book called "orgy". I still like his works though, I don't see them as sexual.
(reposted with spoilered picture)
No. 760973
some people in this thread aren't realizing how the image is structured to realize the difference between trauma cope art and another scrotes twisted fantasy.
In
>>760914 and
>>760908 they made the lighting and structure easy to look at the childrens bodies that's it's just thinly veiled child porn, making the face harder to focus on at first glance, only furthering the focus onto the children's naked bodies.
unlike
>>760842 where the main focus is the eyes and the lamb, but no attention to her breast and if the main subject is related to genitalia such as
>>760841 the artist has enough dignity to censor it and replace it with symbolism.
>>760943 I think Yukaman is a mixed bag, one drawing of his is genuinely interesting to look at but another drawing of his seems more like his dick took control of their body.
No. 760981
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Alke is clearly a pedophile, case closed. Stop jumping around the obvious elephant in the room, do the rocket science in your brain anons because not even the most pornsick female artist draws stuff like picrel
>>760974I know, that’s how exactly I came across the weirdo and honestly suspect anon posting Alke’s loli bait material and asking “Thoughts?” like we’re on the wendy williams show, tf?
The lady who makes her trauma art with children is clearly fucked in the head and I’m saying that out of sympathy. It must be painful to always insert your mental anguish into your artwork because you have no other outlet to release your frustration, there isn’t any fun in any of her pieces, it looks livery depressing and somber like a funeral. It doesn’t seem suggestive, but there are many other ways of her expressing her past suffering without posting a drawing of a little girl naked.
No. 760986
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>>760981sometimes art is for venting grief and unpleasant feelings, anon. sometimes art is not to make you feel good and comfy. in fact many famous artists even historically have argued that art isn't solely for comfort. writers too, example would be kafka. famous example of art expressing pain sometimes is frida kahlo but there's countless others
not defending alke but the other artist No. 760987
File: 1615689102181.png (Spoiler Image,1.93 MB, 1052x1140, example.png)
>>760974How are these by the japanese female artist not the same as these by the other artist?
>>760914>>760908 No. 760992
>>760987>>760842If I want to draw stuff like this based on female trauma and the female experience, how can I avoid getting put in the same category as degenerates like Alke? Or are twittertards going to kill me in my sleep?
Please reply
No. 760996
>>760987backing out after this because we're reaching the point of derailing, but it's still different. There are heavy themes of the emotions and trauma from csa in this art, on top of that her anatomy is much less sexualized, much more simplistic solely to express that it's a child's abuse being mourned here make no mistake. The symbolism covers up genitals to instead make you think about what it represents in an
emotional and empathetic way. I'm telling you coomers don't get off to this approach. But if you don't see the difference at this point and only raise alarms because "naked child it must be for porn!" then okay that's your view. but it's clear to me at least that this is from a perspective empathetic to the
victim, depicting what it does to explore the emotions and scars from that experience, not "omg guys look at this hot child" like the others itt (vomit). It's obvious a very sensitive thing to depict but the experience of this artist that she has a right to express (in a non-glorifying way), is sensitive and she shouldn't be censored
No. 761001
>>760988Anon, this is most certainly not just "spooky art." It's like this anon said:
>>760942 you eventually come to recognize these things, especially when you come across enough of these degenerate men. The focus of the mouth in that bunny(?) girl painting has been used so much in sexual art I've seen it before- if you look it up I think you can find it. I agree that worse has definitely been posted, and I'm sorry for my sperg again I just got very emotional seeing those works.
No. 761003
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>>760987Because when you're not a fucking retard you can tell the difference between a pedo coomer art that makes scrotes want to stroke their peepee and vent art made from someone expressing their internal issues.
Can we finally move onto some actual milk that's not zoomer twitter cancel culture and stop feeding this bait???
No. 761008
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How to draw more often and not get tired/achy/bored/worn out? What's your secret?
No. 761021
>>760981>It must be painful to always insert your mental anguish into your artwork because you have no other outlet to release your frustrationthat's like, 70% of art in the real world though, I see nothing wrong with it. Art has that purpose. Art makes you think and art makes you uncomfortable sometimes.
>there isn’t any fun in any of her piecesAs someone who loves wholesome art, I feel like this isn't a real
valid critique, not everything has to be fun, and not everything has to be sad. It's just is.
this is about the japanese artist, not the other one No. 761031
>>760981sorry you are unable to navigate the complexities of artistic expression anon. not everything has to be wholesome uwu good vibes only. art that makes you feel like shit is just as
valid as feel good stuff
btw i feel like people who get up in arms about this kind of stuff have no fucking clue about the irl fineart scene, where performance art can encompass bodily mutilation or painting with menstrual blood or whatever
No. 761053
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>>761008>Look at artists work you aspire to be as good at>Draw what you want to draw but also challenge yourself and don't fall into comfort zones>Make some coffee, put on your favorite podcast or music and just have fun>Always keep your goals in mind and remember why you are an artist>Make a Pinterest board of art that makes you super inspired and jealous>Take rest days>Look at your old art to see your improvement >Switch from traditional to digital and vice versa to keep changing postures.I am fueled by envy of beautiful art I surround myself with on twitter every day. The only thing that gets me out of bed is knowing I have to keep going in order to get better.
Another thing I do which is fun is listening to draw with mes while I draw. It makes it feel less lonely and is kind of like drawing with someone.
No. 761181
>>760987How do you look at something like this and think it's 100% the same as some scrote coomer loli art? This is actually really, really good and resonates with women that share her horrible experiences, me included. There's absolutely nothing sexual about these pieces and it makes me so sad that people are attacking her over sharing her trauma regarding a very sensitive subject just because "naked child means porn". Gee I'm sorry a painting about the horrors of childhood sexual abuse made you uncomfortable, maybe grow the fuck up and don't look at it.
>>761087I'm blessed with being ESL and my native language is very uncommon so I can just pretend not to speak English. Besides that I have no idea how to avoid this.
No. 761192
>>760832I thought it was IRL shit, wtf is this?
Might as well cancel all of CLAMP if telling a story constitutes as
abusive behavior
No. 761196
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Why are twitterfags silent about an actual pedo grooming trafficker lmao
I’ve seen horimiya trending for being “problematic” but this news has barely been getting around
No. 761201
>>761196>Coomer scrote buying sex from a pimped 12-year oldDisgusting. And this tweet has under 600 RTs and under 2000 likes whereas shit like this
>>760819 has almost 12 thousand fucking likes. It's a true testament to how most of these callouts are made out of jealousy and hunger for clout, not actual concern.
No. 761214
>>760914wow, there's an actual, interesting discussion going on here. maybe the problem is not so much the nudity but how it's portrayed… for example
>>760921 is clothed but the candy being on her lap i think is an obscene euphemism which makes me find it disgusting.
>>760908 is fine to me, feral little girls, but
>>760914 really isn't, but if they are from the same artist, both disgust me.
>>760973 is an interesting take, and makes me feel like i don't have a sharp eye for telling the difference.
>>760916 >>761031 i generally agree with you. but when i detect something as fap fodder it really ruins it. clearly
>>760943 is a fetish but i feel like if it was woman-gazey and a female artist sharing her experiences the same drawing with the colors and pads and all would have a different effect, but i'm too uneducated to guess what pictural devices would change.
No. 761221
>>760914This piece is giving some serious Lord of the Flies and Children of the Corn vibe. I don't see why it'd be seen as
problematic, it's kinda scary.I guess that's one of the problems with the Twitter crowd. The don't read, watch or listen to anything worthwhile they live in a bubble void of anything that could make a person think.
No. 761231
I'm just catching up with this discussion but I think it was pretty interesting actually. So are both
>>760914 >>760908 (children coven and children eatind a deer) painted by a pedo-panderer? I think in every other case it's easy to tell whether it's fetish or artistic expression but these two are hard to judge without a wider context.
In the case of bunny girl
>>760921 it couldn't be more obvious it's a coomer art, details of the mouth give it away; when you backwards google search the image it comes up on maaaany hentai sites so there's no doubt people see it as fetish.
>>760987 Kapura / female artist collage makes me feel uneasy with a lot of her artwork, but lack of detail, desaturation and how emotionless her characters look make it feel like trauma art, not fetish.
No. 761263
>>760908Isn't this literally copied? I swear I've seen an actual art piece just like this, except it was a grown woman.
It's even nastier somehow that some pedo coomer stole an entire composition and made it into fap material. He probably hopes to get some jollies by people saying "Wow, amazing idea and coloring! Too bad it's lolicon", but he couldn't even think of shit himself. All he could do is degrade something that was already done by someone 100x better and more skilled than himself. Kys.
No. 761274
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Does any of you know what happened to pheberoni?
She was really active and super popular on tumblr few years ago, with a lot of people copying her, I remember she even wrote about getting a collaboration with Bioware but I don't know if anything became of it. Seems like she disappeared off the face of the earth in early 2018 which is pretty weird for an once-so-popular artist who used to post so much. Did she just gave up on art? There's PULL thread coming up in google search, ofc with PULL being gone forever I can't check it but maybe something was said there and some of you remember?
No. 761286
>>760908>>760914>>760921They're devilish naked little girls dancing around, with realistic proportions, posing in a way that their silhouettes stand out and some of their genitals are almost completely visible… and they're painted by a man that only paints little girls (if I recall correctly he's the same pedo who posted a picture of a little girl posing naked on a balcony or something). How can you see this as not sexual? Just because it has a creepy horror spin on it? Like
>>761167 said, the dangerous and powerful vibes the little girls have are just a way to justify the attraction, because "if the girls are powerful then they (the pedos) can't be the ones abusing them, they (the girls) may be the ones coming onto them!", sort of. Or it may just be a kink where they get off even more if the girl looks dangerous or angry and may fight back more.
Knowing the artist this shouldn't even be a discussion, and even without knowing him you can just feel that something is off about those pictures because of the details, posing, characters he chooses to use/focus on. Trauma art often doesn't look this appealing and shiny (in colors and technique for example) and it's not explicit.
Honestly I can't tell if the japanese artist pieces really are trauma related. It's sad, but it feels glorified somehow.
No. 761294
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>>760943To be honest? While his work doesn't appeal to me it's still more creative and less sexualized than someone like Shadman drawing OTT bimbofied art of sucking mommy milkers and anal gaping dickgirl incest fetish amidst tweeting about wanting to fuck teenagers. The absurdity and uncomfortable atmosphere of the image makes you think it through and if there's something behind this piece while something like pic related is just obvious coomer fetish art.
No. 761309
>>760847>pedos use art like this for sexual gratificationi swear, the concern trolling needs to stop. literal pedos get off on random videos of kids sneezing. i've run into dozens of playlists made by pedos filled with children posting videos of themselves doing nothing. they are sick in the head, this kind of art is out of their radar because photos of actual children, just existing, get them off.
while, yes, there are coomer artists who exert their pedo tendencies into their art, it's pretty obvious which is which.
No. 761317
>>761309i also recall hearing/reading somewhere that actual pedos generally don't like loli/shota
because they don't look like
real children. After having had the misfortune of being in a discord server w/ an actual pedo that went on about her attraction to children much to everyone's discomfort minus the server owners because they were friends… If they only got off to artwork i'd be fucking grateful.
No. 761323
>>761308Can't find it, "monster woman with blood on face" on Google turns up tons of results. But here's him commenting gross shit on photos of real children:
https://twitter.com/Iovelyghost/status/1275883587234082820He should commit suicide, and whoever supports or defends him should do the same.
No. 761324
>>761312Nay but Imagine living your life based on “muh feelings”. You’re going down the path of soccer mom Karen with that kind of mentality.
Find evidence of them seeking friendships with minors or expressing fantasies with them, going off how their art makes toy “feel” isn’t
valid No. 761325
>>761312Seriously, this conversation and many here trying to downplay the fuckedupness with both trauma artist and that known pedo artist is pretty sad.
Either there's a bunch of baiters, or puesdo art intellectuals that want to sound deep about why some coomer drew naked little girls. Disappointing.
Sharing trauma I think is helpful for anyone trying to cope and realizing they're not alone. But there's a time and place for that and if it takes up your whole life where you draw and ruminate over it constantly then you need help.
As for coomer artist I can see the argument on how Christianity made nudity of any kind bad and we need to normalize nudity like the bath houses in japan or whatever. But Japan has a huge pedo problem so I think because of scrotes in general we will never be able to free the nipple.
Escapism and media plays such a huge role in society that normalizing all these disgusting things (even if made up and not actually hurting real people) does still normalize and possible even condones the behavior to certain individuals. So it should be criticized even if someone of you screech about it not being real so not being harmful.
No. 761329
>>761317>i also recall hearing/reading somewhere that actual pedos generally don't like loli/shota because they don't look like real children.I've been groomed, and can confirm that this is complete bullshit. Tons of pedos like loli. Some start off with it, then progress to actual CP. Also, there are lolicon artists that trace images of actual children.
The guy who groomed me had a Tumblr blog full of lolicon, and had friends who were into the same as well as actual CP. He literally bragged that I wasn't the first or last he took advantage of.
Scrotes and coping handmaidens are pathetic with this “Pedos don’t like lolicon!” crap, and I wish they’d stop with this lie. Anyway, anyone who can’t see the difference between obvious vent art by a female artist and porn drawn by coomers is either someone with no literacy in art and symbolism, or a moronic scrote.
No. 761331
>>761325>Sharing trauma I think is helpful for anyone trying to cope and realizing they're not alone. But there's a time and place for that So the time and place is never? You pretty much disregarded that whole thought right there. If it makes you feel uncomfortable then don't look at it, there's a reason why art therapy is a thing. When you can't express your feelings through words art helps you come to terms with it. And how do you know this anonymous artist doesn't have a life outside of unwinding with art?
Seriously, it's not like any of you are forced to stare at the artwork or follow the artist. Not everything has to cater to your fuzzy-wuzzies and comfort zone.
No. 761345
>>761334Not the same anon. But they're all different thoughts. If I lump them all together no one's going to read a wall of text. And that poster didn't even get in trouble for that. Thanks for your concern.
>>761331I don't know I guess everyone's different. When I was raped by my partner it did help tremendously seeing other people express their pain through multiple mediums but then after awhile I got sucked into it and ruminating became my life. But I'm projecting I guess there's not a real way to limit this stuff or encourage a person to heal and move on. I guess it's just sad seeing people stuck in that phase of healing and not moving out of it. I should just look away like you say. (I mostly meant a time in place like privately, I filled a lot of journals that I don't ever intend on sharing with the public).
>>761344Agree there's been one snarky anon all thread trying to stir the pot.
No. 761366
>>761354>u see a single independent artist drawing art based on personal experiences is TOTALLY same as a multimillion dollar entertainment industry created TV series based on mostly scripted interactionTry again anon. And even with true crime the people being interviewed are there out of their free will, a lot of them to advertise a foundation they created in memory of the
victim to bring awareness to such things as domestic violence.
The people who want to censor art because they can't be fucking adults for two seconds and accept that not everything is meant to cater to them personally and that their objective interpretation and experience is the universal truth. You see "omg icky literal child porn" with the female artist's trauma art, others see something they relate to and feel comfort in the thought that someone has experienced the same things and created something that helps them expressing their feelings too.
No. 761386
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so the new helluva boss ep. four just came out, thoughts and opinions?
i love the cherubs/angels designs,
but why are the humans so ugly half the time. some times the animation slows down to a crawling pace and doesn’t sync with the voice acting.
what’s especially bad about this episode is the nonsensical bouts of screaming, choppy animation that seems it was placed into the episode without a storyboard direction behind it, and character introductions that are obnoxious (the new client who I never caught his name because of how ridiculous his accent is)
No. 761388
>>761329I’ve been groomed too and my abuser was vocally against it. The UN is against it but had over 2000 cases of csem/rape committed by their “peacekeepers”. Science and research currently shows most people who abuse children aren’t even attracted to them (similar to how attraction plays a very little role in the rape of adult women) but are just people looking to abuse and have power over someone. Most pedos who get caught have hundreds of terabytes worth of csem and like the anon mention, they just get off to children sneezing or doing random child things. There’s no shortage of sexual abuse/harassment/grooming stories where the abuser (esp in anti circles ) were vocally against it but get outed as sex pests or how male feminists go on and on about not sexualizing women but have a track record of sexual abuse and general mistreatment.
Abusers will vocally make themselves look good or brag about it because they’re abusers. Which is why I said I’d be grateful if the only thing they got off to was a drawing rather than abusing an actual person. It’s disgusting, but it is what it is.
And the pedo I was in a discord with vocally hated loli/shota but had no problems talking about how attractive she found children on her blog that just about everyone in the discord knew about because she was a proud “map”. Having had the misfortune of dealing with that “community” I could say that everything you said was BS too but it’s almost like experiences aren’t universal and there is so much overlap and variety between abusers that there almost no correlation between fictional content and whether they actually abuse someone just like how video games don’t cause school shootings. I’ve seen too many “maps” go on about being against sexual content in media but go on long ass pages about how children can consent and why the age of consent should be lowered as far as 8.
(derailing) No. 761400
>>760492>>760590Ngl I have always loved this ship of his, and I love seeing people seethe about it
>>761386The animation seemed more rushed than usual in this episode, I don't know. Just seemed like some moments went by too fast. The teehee quirky dry humor was especially bad this episode, I feel. Cherubs were nice though I do admit.
No. 761407
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It's kind of funny how no one ever tries to argue that men who jerk off to drawings of other men aren't gay/bisexual because it's just fiction.
>not gay, its just a drawing man. just fictional content. no correlation.
No. 761422
>>761416>>761418for me the difference is
>men who draws bad>woman who draws goodthere's few cases this isn't the norm.
No. 761426
>>761418That's largely because porn with women in it is usually catered toward men, even yuri.
Men, on the other hand, have all the options and pandering in the world when it comes to erotica, so what they choose to focus on says a lot about themselves.
No. 761429
>>760908>>760914I don't know, I first saw these and thought "a coven symbolizing girlhood", and I thought it was a very good idea. This one
>>760841 creeped me out. But when I see these drawings I'm not sexually attracted to them, so I don't know, I think give them more artistic merit than they deserve. I think the witchy coven ones could had been tackled better IF a female artist drew them, because I do agree there's some weird focus on their bodies. I think a female artist would had done the focus more on the ritual of girlhood aspect of it, and nudity wouldn't had been creepy, just natural looking? idk.
I think, when it comes to art, women just make it better. Women understand. Women sharing their experiences and feelings through art will never be a bad thing, because we have been doing that for hundreds and hundreds of years. So I would never pin myself against a female artist drawing dark subjects.
In general, you can tell when a drawing is made by a man vs a woman. Male gaze and female gaze are completely different.
No. 761454
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>simping for both elon musk and nfts in one tweet
wew lad
No. 761461
>>760943>But then it turns out Yukaman is a guy I didn't know that, fuck
I still love their art but that severely changes the context. I saw a shared experience in many of those pictures.
No. 761481
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>>760711update to this if anyone cares: beeple who sold his art for the highest sum on the cryptoscene (and made a performance out of this calling his entire family and crying about being able to go to disneyland now) actually is a buisness partner of the buyer.
I'm sure we will be seeing this story coming back as a sweet proof how crypto allows poor artists to finally be appreciated so it's worth knowing it's most likely not at all that wholesome.
No. 761491
>>761481It looks more and more like this shit is a scam/pyramid scheme.
Anyone making lots of money off of it was already in a certain in-group and were most likely told to make it look good and get it popular.
No. 761525
>>761508I literally made that one post itt during last week. Clearly more people are baffled by
>>761484 not being able to distinguish between vent art and coomer shit
No. 761580
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Has anyone else seen elicia donze's artwork? I feel like she's another blue satan and people are falling all over themselves thinking she's actually this talented.
No. 761585
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What about this japanese female artist then? are you going to defend her too?
>>761583it's not "again with this shit", let people discuss if they want to discuss art. It's at least more engaging than the 35th discussion about some twitter retard getting cancelled.
No. 761587
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how can you defend this? this is from a scrote.
No. 761596
>>760992Turn the cancel culture into fuel for your muse. You think it'd be easier said than done, but I was a yaoi artist during a time when you had to put up warnings because of the sensitive fee fees of scrotes.
>>761053I wish you could sticky posts. I'll screenshot it and post it every time someone asks, because this is a post worth sharing and spreading.
>Another thing I do which is fun is listening to draw with mes while I draw. It makes it feel less lonely and is kind of like drawing with someone.I hadn't considered doing this. I listen to a lot of music, ASMR, and stories as ambience while drawing, but not actual draw-with-mes. I miss the energy of being in a room with other artists, so this may be the next best thing.
No. 761601
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>>761580I totally get not liking hyperrealistic rendering - I don't too, it's boring - but there's no denying there's some legit technical skill here, comparing her to "same face closeup" bluesssatan is just mean lol
No. 761631
>>761612Seriously I hope we can all ignore the bait at this point. It's not even a fruitful discussion anymore it's the same repeating shit. Going in circles. Can we talk about other stuff?
>>761017>>761053Thank you for answering my question I've got to try these things. I just found the other thread in /m/ with further art advice that's super useful.
No. 761634
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>>761580Top comment here. Hyper-realism is boring af.
No. 761638
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>>761634These comments as the one you screenshoted are retarded and unnecessary beacuse you can actually see it's a painting looking at the details or her sketches / process. I'd be annoyed too if every work of mine would attract people calling it a fraud, she posted screenshots from some dude who went from demanding her provide a proof (findable without asking) to sending her death threats. Like, come on. Hyperrealistic study it's just a study, technically impressive but not undoable - just that serious artists dont bother wasting time on rendering stuff like that because it has no real artistic interest or huge industry value, maybe except proving your patience and proficiency in studying art.
No. 761643
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>>761642Samefag for aforementioned scribble art
No. 761693
>>761679Here's the "proof" she deleted. Looks like a "rest of the fucking owl" situation.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210223231326/https://eliciadonze.com/process/I'm going to need to see some video proof of her process because that horse and rider sketch looks suspiciously like a filter.
No. 761714
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>>761601gonna speculate but bluessatan seems very narcissistic, every time they post a selfie or video of themselves to show how hot they are but sucking in their anachan cheeks obviously are influenced the way they draw other people because when I look at her art and it’s her attempt to draw different people, they just look like a self-portrait of her but with different overlays.
Also picrel but this made me fucking laugh and cringe hard at the same time like god wyd girl? Lmao
No. 761746
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"Would you buy a plushie of my pokemon trainer?", "No", "the fact that you guys want her makes me so happy".
Goddamn Jupy is delusional. Stick to making knockoff plushies of existing IP like Zelda and leeching off them. Your own designs and ideas suck.
No. 761772
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>>761274take it with a grain of salt but i found this on her DA.
No. 761776
>>761580You see, even if it's not a paint over (press x to doubt), this artist needs to do more real life studies.
When people practice mostly by copying photographs their art ends up being flat. The drawing feels like it's a filtered image even if it's not because they lack the knowledge of how light works in the real world.
The way they draw the eyelashes, the lips and the neck are a dead giveaway.
I'm not a big fan of hyperrealism but anyone with minimal academic training can see straight through this.
Sorry for the rant.
No. 761783
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Well isn't this nice.
No. 761787
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>>761783nft scene is fucked up. i'm not even sorry for him since he thinks beeple did something for him
No. 761800
>>761785Personally, I don't get this attitude. It's her artwork, her pricing. If you find value in her work that's fine, but there are clearly a lot of people who do or she wouldn't be popular.
Personally, I think she does really creative stuff with light and her paintings all have a softness to it you don't get in photos. In a commission, you can ask her to combine references and get, for example, a super realistic drawing of one of your OCs with full fantasy wear.
Or you can commission her to draw an old family member you only have low-quality photos of. I know I would personally love to have a portrait like this of one of my grandparents. Can I afford it? No, but if I had the spare cash then yeah sure. I think the people who think this is a just a photo with a 'filter' on top have also never tried to do this level of editing either, because to get something this good you have to spend hours on it, just like you would with, you know, the actual drawing.
No. 761831
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saged for dumbass question and take.
Could someone who knows BB's art explain me what kind of charm their art really has? Or does anyone enjoy their art? Am I autistic to not find their art funny? Am I retarded?
I know most of the time they do patron requests for easy cash but as a casual RPG enjoyer I see no appeal.
So here's my salt, I find their jokes cringy, the hypersexualization of elves in weeb community is tiring, and I don't see any personality in their works outside of tiddies and abs.
I wanted to bring this up as I don't see discussion of their art and I need to question my sentiment.
No. 761838
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>>761787>>761783Not to defend anyone here but I was curious and looked up, because why would someone bootlick an art thief? And seems like Metakovan, beeple's buyer and business partner, has purchased this specific artwork some time ago as an NFT (for $100 which is a bit sad but whatever), so has all the rights for using it in any way he sees fit; and since it's his avatar, beeple used it in his artwork made to worship him. Everything was legal and they have every right to not mention the artist so I guess that's why the artist is so grateful to actually be linked despite no legal obligation to do so.
No. 761899
>>761838Oh? People kept going on about how beeple made a collage with that artist's piece, I had no idea the piece was already "bought" by metakovan. Why did Silvio sound mildly pissed then? He just wanted attention?
Anyway this whole NFT thing seems all about rich fucks licking each other's asses by buying crypto art from people they already know. It's like a secret super private club you have to pay to get into but then if you don't have connections you won't gain anything.
No. 761915
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>>761838>>761913From SuperRare own copyright community guidelines, the platform this artwork was sold on. What Bettle did is copyright infringement by simply copy pasting the avatar onto his own art without any credit what so ever.
No. 761962
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Kind of a funny sperg I saw.
This hentai artist posted a drawing, it got 200 likes (which is not that big of a deal in the twitter art space, especially the porn space), then he realized he had some layers turned off so it wasn't showing 100% of his hard work, proceeded to get suicidal over it and cry for an entire day. He did end up deleting it.
No. 761997
>>761962honestly? mood. every time it happens I accidentally export a file that's missing something and god forbid it gets published (digital marketing) it really feels like dying.
>>761987what merits would traditional hyperrealism have over digital one? in both cases you can just do a photo. Both are just technical showcase, traditional not really being any better than digital, just harder to fake.
No. 762085
>>761580I think her art is made by her. I feel bad for all the hate she's getting. I had to unfollow her because it's all she posts. I feel bad about it but i don't want to constantly see the
abusive messages she receives. Im not sure it's healthy for her to be dwelling on them either. Hyper realism is just a technique that can be learned over time, it's not unrealistic she can do it, but she was too exhausting to follow.
No. 762094
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Some anon made that to show how fake Irakli Nadar's artwork is. It was an interesting read here's the post if interested:
https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/2338381/I think that's how most super hyper realistic digital artists create their work. Unless they're like printers in human form I think most artists add some subconscious style where you can tell it wasn't a photo with filters.
No. 762117
>>762114Photo realist artists are a dime a dozen. It's legitimately NOT hard. I know so many of them, and loads can do it traditionally. Digital is the same skill set. But she could be faking the hate to get attention. But that doesn't mean her art is fake. But the hate thing is… Getting really weird and sus. She seems to ALWAYS be the
victim.
No. 762123
>>762085I'm in the same boat. At first I followed her to support her because of the hate she was getting. But now that she's posting every correspondence, I had to unfollow her. I may just block her entirely because I know other artists I follow like to quote tweet those hate emails she posts and I'm sick of seeing it.
In all honesty I don't think it's uncommon for people considered to be high profile artists to get this kind of fixated, constant hate. What's
uncommon is the fact that she's constantly sharing the emails, which leads me to believe it's a publicity stunt on
her part, a bi-product to get eyes on her profile. It got me hook line and sinker at first because it was messed up and I was inclined to support her. But at this point I've never seen an artist share so much hate mail for pity points.
Maybe there's some insecurity there and she needs people to constantly validate her now, which is sad.
No. 762160
>>762146I thought she had some process videos. Either way, there's several ways to handle this type of problem, and instead of airing out every little email, she'd probably be better with talking to a close knit circle of people she can trust about how to handle it. It isn't any better when people are shouting to 'name names' and share the email address of the people harassing her. Her followers aren't actually helping her and I think part of her knows that; I think part of her just feels like she needs the attention because otherwise…I dunno, clearly she's skilled at what she does but none of it is memorable to me at least. The only time I'm reminded of her work is when I see it, or when another anonymous hate email circulates.
The last thing you want as a professional is to be known for all the backlash you get instead of your actual art, but maybe it's working in her favor. It's not sustainable though, and I think people will eventually tire of the sensationalism.
No. 762259
>>761580I think her art is fine. The difference between artists who trace and artists who painstakingly grid their work is so small that I can't give a fuck about it.
What I don't like is how she routinely harasses artists for shit for clout, then plays the
victim if any of it goes south and deletes it all so you can't ever find it again. It's all about how she's "woker" than them, and how she's a better ally for
POC even when she's going after
WOC. She used to do that on tumblr, and suspiciously every time it happened she'd get a bunch of really suspicious anon hate asks and never closed her inbox even in the worst of it. If you google euclase there's old dw threads how weird it is and alleging that she created it or intentionally incited it to play
victim after bullying smaller artists got her blowback.
And guess what, in the last year she's more than doubled her twitter followers by posting a series of suspiciously same-worded e-mails and always blocking out who sent them. After people questioned if one sounded more like a woman writing it, the next one had comically fake misogynist language as if to reassure readers she was, in fact, being bullied because she's a woman. Not that you can find them, because like everything weird she could be called out for she deletes it after a week.
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>make a long-winded video about obvious 4ch tier shitposts and black power
>immediately follow up with dressing up as a weebshit maid
Fucking really? Am I the only one that sees this as kind of tone deaf?
No. 762294
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>>762290I don't know who the fuck this is or think it matters but I'm this thing.
No. 762308
>>762303I don't understand why people shit where they eat from by even acknowledging such retarded /pol/-tier bullshit, but obviously within the same day is pretty tasteless. Maybe make a video or two in-between and wait a few days.
Again, really feels more offensive that she decided to go full uwu pinku meido gaymur grrl bottom merely hours after that video. What a joke.
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>>762294Pretty sure that's supposed to be the calbee chip guy
No. 762517
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what is this abomination
No. 762538
>>762517God damn it anon, I was
this close to forgetting about Kasey golden.
No. 762593
>>762259I just revisted her account after some years and it really stood out to me how she jumped on those BLM and queer trains.
And yeah publishing "hate" of questionable origin to solicit public support is a pattern with her that has gone on for years.
No. 762781
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Does any anon hear about the bubblehouse app. Does anyone join the beta version ?
No. 762877
>>762781Feels like another platform that works best for digital artists making work in a certain way.
If I was using it I would have to go out of my way to fake an appealing process instead of just getting the piece finished. I predict the focus on process means more artists will use it than nonartists which doesn't fix the current issue that people don't want to use platforms where they can't gain big nonartist followings
Also it's currently only available for iPhone users
No. 762893
>>762781I'm so desperate for an actual artist platform to surface again that I'll keep an eye on it even though the concept doesn't really appeal to me.
>>762877Yeah and I kinda get that. But it would still be nice to have a community centered around artists and if someone wants to be instagram famous they can still do that while also posting on the artist platform where they can get actual feedback and community instead of fifty heart eye emojis.
Plus most artists who were on deviantart, tumblr etc were hobbyists who weren't in it for the money. The people who support me the most, through commenting and sharing or financially through patreon, prints and commissions are mostly hobbyists although I have a sizeable following of non-artists as well. I find it a bit short-sighted for artists to look only for non-artist followers when they want financial support, at least if you do basic bitch instagram art like me and most other people on there. For fine art and webtoon artists it's definitely different.
No. 762913
>>762781Ohh, I never heard about it before. It looks pretty nice and I appreciate the innovation, but like the other anon said it does put a focus on showing your process and I don't particularly care for that, so those features don't really do much for me. I love the customizable profiles though.
Still, what I'd really like is a new social media platform with good features for artists rather than a platform FOR artists.
Deep down I just want a mix of Twitter and Tumblr minus the insane people No. 763374
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>mass shooting
>8 asian women dead
>what an appropriate time for me to plug my gfm!
Man I hate munchies
No. 763391
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>random fan playfully tells her to go to bed
>Marie: WHY DO ALL MEN!!!
She cultivated this audience why is she surprised lmao, it wasn’t even that bad
No. 763618
>>763440This bothers me so much because the 8 women that died were poor immigrants who came to america for a better life. Many of them are not in the stereotypical ~east asian~ demographic
But people like pucca are second gen asians who can speak english, can go to college, can work more accessible jobs, etc. But here she is banking on the death of poor asian women.
No. 763692
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I lol'd at this meme
No. 763709
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>>763692No milk, literally who cares? Sage newfag
No. 763756
>>763744I don’t mind, a lot of The BLM movement was sullied by people virtue signaling, which silenced a lot of actual
Black voices. Remember the black square bullshit? I recall people constantly asking non
POC for support but to also keep in mind it wasn’t about them
Now if they didn’t retweet to help and acted as if life was normal, then they’re fucked.
No. 763879
https://news.artnet.com/opinion/beeple-everydays-review-1951656Turns out Beeple is a misogynistic pig, what a surprise!
His art is so subpar. Is kinda hilarious seeing this shit sold for so much.
(lolcow.farm/info) No. 763931
>>763754I recommend using references; when I'm drawing that I'll google "hand holding phone" or whatever and look at several. You can practice a few times first too. Another tip I noticed when I was younger watching cartoons— treat the object as an extension of the person touching it. So if you do a thick outline around the person, don't block them off from the object with a line between them. Your line should go around their hand and the object together (hope it makes sense). Sorry these aren't actual resources. I don't have any but maybe others here do?
Wait I remember one. There are for sure people who specifically take pictures with various objects at angles. AdorkaStock on deviantart (formerly SenshiStock) has a ton with hands holding objects or full body poses of them/others in leotards kek it's kinda funny. That's one resource, though google is your friend as I mentioned. I like to reference stock photos specifically.
No. 763947
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>>763879I actually found some of his stuff years ago and I like the more abstract landscape/city stuff he used to do like this. I had no idea he started with shitty meme cartoons, though I guess it makes the shift to parody crap make more sense.
No. 764121
>>763885theyre from like 15 years ago tbh, so he was just a beginner then most likely.
And while normally I'd be against pulling anything from 10+ years ago as an argument against somebody, given he sold these for 70M just now he deserves all the backlash he can possibly get.
No. 764277
>>763879Not surprising. A LOT of crypto evangelists are horribly sexist.
Considering that crypto gained value in black market trade, including CP and human trafficking, this shouldn't shock anyone.
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>>764670Wonder why she deleted it lol guess she was trying to gain additional sympathy for gfm Donos?
Anyways, her friend posted a photo of her and it’s no wonder her bf left. A deluded disney munchie rapidly gaining weight, he didn’t sign up for that lol
No. 764678
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Reference for before the weight gain+munchie behavior
No. 764789
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>>764786OP is right though. There’s no need for Japanese artists to yield to a western audience and only draw ugly Calarts/Tumblr style characters.
No. 764808
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>>764789kek this is fucking priceless. A crushing blow to American children.
No. 764823
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>>764821I see it's another white american loser faggot who pushes his race politics and sick obsession with his stupid hobbies of liking anime. It's cringy how they feel so possessive over something they didn't create. Everything is a sport and political debate to flex on their agenda even if it's something as childish as drawing anime pictures. Fucking hate americans on the internet tbh
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Marie is in the hospital again and she took the time to put on makeup to record a tiktok in the hospital room. Either shes faking it or she’s really sick but just fucking stupid
No. 765235
>>765113When you think someone couldn’t be more insufferable, she decides pull more shit like this.
Honestly I’m not surprised she’s taken the route to make money in every existing area in the art world doing YouTube, Podcast, Patreon, Online Store and Client work
No. 765459
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jeffree star is making cripto art now
No. 765490
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>>764786Don't know how anyone with working brains can fall for this obvious dudebro shit, even if you agree with some points. Quick research on OP and you find out he's into QAnon insanity.
No. 765518
>>765506>This is just another pathetic weeb treating them like they're fucking toddlers who need to be protected.While the guy is a stupid weeb /pol/ faggot it's not about infantilizing the Japanese, it's because they legitimately don't speak English (they seriously don't, it's not a meme) or much less understand the retarded American identity politics discourse or fandom speak. Every time I see some underage American retard replying something like "PLS DELETE THIS!!!!!!!!!" with an aggressive meme image I want to choke a bitch because it always has Japanese people confused and threatened. They don't understand western running jokes and have a hard time figuring out ironic memes. It's not because they're intellectually retarded, it's due to the cultural context lacking an equivalent and them being unable to even interact due to the language barrier, so they just have to deal with autistic Animal Crossing avatars screeching weird fandom lingo at them.
So it's not about "treating Japanese artists like toddlers", it's about Americans thinking everyone is immersed in their own localized western culture and is familiar with all the nuances. Like that one French artist who drew a racebent Pugsley from Addam's family because she wanted to be woke, but got cancelled because Americans thought the fact that the character had a noose as a tie was a racist reference to lynching black people when the character canonically wears one. I had never even heard of the racially motivated lynching before that as an ESL-chan.
However it's not like online cancellations don't exist in their circles as well, the Asian equivalent is all the nationalist whiny Koreans who throw a bitch fit whenever a Japanese or a Chinese artist draws someone in traditional Korean garb. The Chinese in turn get mad whenever someone mentions Taiwan but due to western sites being blocked they mostly stick to bitching about it in their own Chinese social media. It's just the western bullshit they have a harder time dealing with.
No. 765581
>>765579It could be easier to just explain that people who post stupid ass meme replies are being rude regardless the cultural context and they can be ignored. Everyone hates them, not just Asians.
And then educate Americans how to behave like normal people.
No. 765606
>>765490>QAnon insanityi think you're just as delusional saying it's Q, I see no religious-based conspiracy takes. It's definitely some basement dweller living on mommy and daddy's money. Unsure if they're from America, because I know some weirdos living in the UK obsessed with American politics like this.
>>764786Broken clock. Also, I'd like to see actual Japanese artist takes on this issue. This was obviously written by an English speaker, hence why the words are also displayed in English underneath, to appeal to the weebs closely following.
No. 765708
>>765696I know him, been following for years, it's annoying how ever since he joined the NFT clique this is all he talks about + suck up to other NFT artists HARD, never seen him be so "nice and supportive" before. But i think he's always been more or less pretentious so this whole "digital alchemist" thing is not surprising, he could even have that before doing NFT, I'm not sure since I don't really check his main account.
Honestly though, it's so disappointing (andy cringy) to see so many big and established artists circlejerking to NFTs now, there are a few that stood their ground and speak against cryptoart or just continue as normal, but everyone else is just like, OH my GOD congratulations to my DEAR TALENTED friend please CHECK THEIR NFTS on foundation app; they all speak like bots.
No. 765875
>>765708
>everyone else is just like, OH my GOD congratulations to my DEAR TALENTED friend please CHECK THEIR NFTS on foundation app; they all speak like bots.THIS. At first I didn't care about NFTs 'n shit, didn't even talk about it on my twitter to avoid unnecessary bs.
But I had to do one hell of a filter on the accounts I follow because christ on a stick, those big clique-y artists speak just like those awful MLM hunbots. If they just did their NFT business quietly I wouldn't mind at all but they HAVE to speak just like an annoying Avon seller 24/7 and endlessly pat each other on the back for every single bid they or their buds get. It's so obnoxious.
No. 766084
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kek mentioning this artist they never seem to draw anything that isn't easily filtered over/ photo bashed over
No. 781012
>>747960I know this pass already and stuff but saintcake, made a new Twitter account. I’m outing it, it’s on Twitter @m00nlithalo. I’m so mad considering she jumped ship and my friend whose been waiting on a commission god knows when, almost a year now and NO UPDATES and been so patient doesn’t deserve to let someone who spends so much of their time tweeting and quote retweeting people with no one asked for hot takes and stuff. I know my friend is gonna be mad I outed the Twitter but it had to be shown since someone isn’t owing up to their actions but can give hell to others for shit online. Then goes on defensive saying “I’ve been dealing with so much lately” and it’s just so annoying because this is someone who can’t even be an adult but will quote retweet from at times it’s literal children who obviously do not know better, the white knight fans go on the attack and it’s disgusting.
I do not interact with this artist at all but seeing from the side lines has me so livid. How can you post apologizing for how far back commissions are and stuff and then go on doing hot takes and stuff in another account. Already doing a review on a tablet and stuff??? They owe so many commissions it’s like why even take a review job if they can’t even finish commissions almost 2 years old.
This is why artist struggle. People like this artist are the reason why people have a hard time to trust artist for completing things they pay them for. Don’t open commissions when you Have yet to finish others that are owed. To continually keep taking commissions cause of life but yet to keep taking commissions because of money and life stuff. Horseshit, either figure out how to finish commissions consistently and have money flow steady or get a job and not depend on kofi all because of what? Life. I’m done.
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