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Containment thread for all the art salt you could imagine. And sometimes, people ask for help. Stop getting pissy about that.
Discuss the shitty art and even shittier attitude of artists
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-General Art Bullshit
WRITE SAGE IN THE E-MAIL FIELD OF YOUR COMMENTS!
Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:https://anony.link/https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://anony.link/https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://anony.link/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/
Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix Yoon
MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND.
previous thread >>746147
it was just a picture i found in the thread. and thought it was funny the contrast between the two vids.
i was worried about time since nobody was making a thread and i wanted to link it in the last thread before it locked so i just wanted to find something quickly. sorry anons
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Anyone know what happened to jez
the artist who is obsessed with her persona OTP akiham went hiatus because of some drama I missed on. she stopped linking to her main twitter which I couldn't find anymore for some reason.
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Sometimes I genuinely wonder what goes through the heads of popular Insta artists. These people have ten- to hundred-thousands of followers and at least ten-thousand likes per post, and still somehow complain about how their posts flop and how nobody likes their art and that the Insta algorithm hates “small artists” like them. What do these people consider to be a successful post if 10-30k likes is a flop? Jesus fucking Christ.
I wonder too, because she is my fave persona artist for many years!!
She explained that she got tired of fandom dramas (and some other ones) and wants to start focusing on drawing her OCs.
She also moved to a different twitter account a month ago or so, and started posting only her OCs art.
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The only posts I've seen that is considered a "flop" is the one with the 10k likes. But that doesn't matter since the next few posts had about 20k or 30k. That's a really petty thing to complain about
Also, pic not related to the point but it's from the same artist
Social media was a mistake. There’s just lots of artists getting burnt out because they want to be at 1M followers or some shit, I don’t know how does it even work on Instagram, like, do they get paid for each post or something when they reach an absurd number of followers and likes per post? Because if all you get is the likes of people that are basically on a liking spree, not paying attention to what they’re liking/following, then I don’t get the appeal.
I mean, I think the idea of Instagram is that you can post your virtual catalog and then get serious buyers and shit, right?
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Moonvika_svet, but it's not like she's the only Instagram artist who does this. Still, for the amount of likes she has per post and how much she complains about being fucked over by the algorithm, it just reads as being entitled to me kek. Picrel from her story a few months back.
Christ, I'm so glad I left Instagram, and I probably won't be coming back. It's this mentality that I do not miss that this particular platform breeds. It's never enough to just be an artist, you have to be a "big artist". It messes so many people up, especially if you're learning the fundamentals.
But yeah, IG people make money off of the way they advertise their work, or brand deals. It isn't like it's instantly lucrative or anything. And lately they've been asking too much to even have a shot at being seen/unburied. I figure I'm not getting paid to bend over backwards for IG's algorithm so I'm not going to bother.
Even just scrolling thru IG is a mental chore. It's sad seeing artists get caught up in numbers that don't matter or quitting altogether because no one saw their work.
I'm starting to worry about artists like this. I used to think they were just silly and lazy attention whores, but now I think that social media has created a mess on par with a drug addiction. Because I know they'll never be happy if they hit 1M, they'll be eyeing 5M or 10M next. They're fixated on that dopamine rush they hope their shitty doodles will net them. They feel no real reward, and no joy in the process of creation. By prioritizing likes, they've dug themselves into a lie.>>767085
Nope; in fact, you can get an actual shoppable catalogue by switching your IG account to business and going through the (convoluted) steps to make your posts shoppable. I highly doubt these people have stopped fishing for likes long enough to even do that. Even so, if you want to make money as an artists, there's better ways than begging on IG.
You nailed it about the process of creation-
I think artists (of any skill level, honestly) should go through an incubation period where the goal isn't social media recognition, but to get back in touch with what they like about making art, not what they think their audience will like that will give them 20k likes. It's so retarded the way the brain re-wires to prioritize different shit just because a bunch of people randomly clicked a heart on your post
Remember when IG said they took away visible likes to "help with mental health"? Nothing has changed it's all bullshit.
With that kind of art they're getting way more attention than what their art's actually worth.
Why is it always the mediocre artists complaining about the algorithm? I don't remember the last time I saw a proper and skilled artist whine and bitch about it.
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Also lmao that artist has the most boring, uninspired basic ig style. What do they think they should be getting all the likes and attention for. It's always the artists that are already way overrated that cant get enough
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It's popular because it's easy to consume. Her OC doodles don't require any prior commitment to her world and characters to be enjoyed. It's the visual equivalent of junk food. Say what you want about Lavendertowne but at least her art is genuinely creative and original, not just some botched, poorly referenced Pinterest fashion aesthetics.
Also what the fuck is going on in this image lol
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the difficult life of a coomer
Allegations, which were already proven false, about Danny 'grooming minors' when what actually happened was as 17 yr old fan contacted him, he said 'We won't talk until you're legal'. She turned 18 a week later, so when she was legal, they talked. 4 years later, when she was 22, they fucked, and now because they are no longer talking, all this is resurfacing.
At most he could have abused his power, but the whole 'he is a groomer and a pedo' is not accurate. She was legal and consented, not her fault he hooked up with a guy that uses groupies for sex.
Make a finished piece or something good, and then not post it anywhere at all. You can always post it later when you go back to social media, but resisting the urge to post art immediately for validation online might help you to learn how to draw for yourself and not for others/likes. It's also easier to do this than "think of what you want to draw instead of what you think others what to see you draw!" >>767784
I use A4/A5 standard with 300dpi so if it goes well I can make them into prints for sale and if it doesn't it doesn't take up too much space anyway
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we live in a special kind of hell
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Current happening, some autistic trannsfolx took a japanese guy's art and recoloured Knuckles black. Getting shit for it.
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Some more responses. Bit surprised they are mostly against it.
The twitter https://twitter.com/MysticMaryy/status/1374428252056342531/photo/1
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lmao someone blackwashed her own art
god, finally someone calling a retard out. happy to see it.
inb4 this tranny will play 'IM AUTISTIC' card
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Kek here’s her “apology”
It's no wonder Japanese artists are blocking westernfags in droves. I would nuke my entire existence if I got harassed by people who openly put "I'm an autistic trans woman" on their tweets trying to wokefy my art. >>767975
Kek you just know he's seething hard over this.
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Lmao it got worse.. just admit you're a racist pretending to be woke and go
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Funny how joulejay is against the edits when they edited fanart all the time on tumblr
I used to run in these exact circles before I left because I got sick how obsessive my friends got over stupid fiction.
Before I left though, the shit they feared was crazy. Like they were very concerned about being cannibalized themselves, and would brown wash themselves to be more "accepted." But attack any white woman that draws poc
little bit too much. It's a literal cult lmao.
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>my ex gave me no reason for breaking up with me
>literally same sentence, “he said he used me”
Honestly starting to love to watch this dumpster fire get worse lol
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Do you guys know kenia boko? Her painting style is on a really high level….but her subjects look even more braindead than usual instagram artists.
Its so weird to look at her girl, its like they already gave up on life when they were toddlers
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Same anon, one more pic
what's sad (in a hilarious sort of way) is that the OG artist reblogged that Sep post addressing Japanese artists
Which basically means that even though it was made by a westerner, it in some way resonates with at least some japanese speaking people (which basically means… not entirely false from their perspective) and what's even more sad is that pearl matches the bingo of people that post said to avoid.
>>768536>theyre saying hes black coded because his character motif was based off the jamaican flag and he was originally going to have a jamaican accent
This isn't even true, the source for this is some unofficial game guide from the 00's.
Knuckles is very explicitly based off Mayan culture, it's delved in to heavily in the first Sonic Adventure where the development team traveled to South America for inspiration. Hell, the only other Echidna character in the series is a ghost girl named Tikal, named after a ruin from Guatemala, which is also what the central ruin in the area of the game where Knuckles' ancestors lived is based on.
Ultimately I agree with your point either way so it wouldn't matter regardless, I've just seen so many people parrot the black coding thing and while I don't think it's a bad interpretation, it's just that, an interpretation. To insist it's canon because it's "coded" is really racist for the reasons >>768496
NTA but I think anon just mean in general, not specifically the sonic fans.
I think I've seen black people call out cookie run humanisations
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Raiko/megat0nraid/vanillasketches/averia farron /kristia seems to be back full force on tracing kek
It's like a fucking addiction at this point, does she enjoy tracing official art that much?>>768744
That one girl acting furious over a gymnast character wearing a leotard and constantly saying that the p5 protagonist was her boyfriend? I hope she stays off the internet.
What did she exactly trace? then again, im not surprised. I'm amazed how people still support her. Even after an account showed her tracing but her supporters just post that one video of her "drawing" haru and be like "lol u mad". When it was sus that it wasnt an screen recording. She didnt confess and just made a new account like nothing happened. god.>>768774
I actually liked her artwork, but i didnt know about that? or just a joke? wtf
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they are right tho
they don't even sound mean, but what do i know https://twitter.com/EnormeCagarro/status/1374637626045632514
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I died of the cringe in this one.
We've all been there but come on it's getting to be a bit much. Take your 30k and GTFO.
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Also god damn it, I wouldn't be surprised if eastern accounts wouldn't be even more inclined to block western accounts now. So many cunts with no careers or talent trying to get some savior brownie points.
Reposted because typo
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holy shit look at her teen army chewing on that poster. Marie really do have her own personal army
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another japanese artist being attacked for drawing nessa paler than intended; troons using it for free advertisement
They're a watercolour artist, and to be fair it's harder to render dark skin nicely in watercolour. People will say "I paint dark skin all the time!" but honestly if you do it poorly it looks splotchy and bad and it's easy to overwork the area and then you end up with a piece where the character looks like crap.
Sure it's an excuse, and requires practice to do better. But the tweens on twitter will have an absolute shit fit if you ever mention that painting darker skin in watercolour is genuinely more difficult because of the medium.
I honestly dont believe there is such thing as a correct way to paint dark skin, unless you're trying to be specific about a certain type of ethnicity. Twatter will try and gossip behind your back no matter how correct it is. People are so high horse about drawing black people correctly, while other poc
can give less shit about how your draw them (except when you draw them with an intentional caricature.) Don't see anyone correct black folks for drawing Asian or Latin folks.
There's certain elements you have to learn in terms of how light bounces off darker skin and how lighting affects it. That being said it's a learning process, just like any other thing. But for real, a LOT of the watercolour tutorials for dark skin are crap, and they make the skin look super splotchy and overworked and it's really sad, therefore I applaud artist who can do watercolours of darker skinned characters with ease. It's genuinely impressive!
But when people call an artist out and call them racist for not painting enough dark skin then it's not exactly encouraging them to learn, it's just getting off on being 'right'
Why do they act like fucking animals? That jpartist probably doesn't even speak English past elementary level and you got Twitter User @bimbomuslim ramming in to tweet "why is she white????
" while shilling her own gofundme and another crazy fucker threatening to get them banned. Absolute fucking savages. >>768904
What? The best option would've been for them to shut the fuck up from the beginning. Out with this "They should've been kinder attacking him with their retarded American racial politics!". Maybe it's because I'm ESL and not American but I simply don't understand how you become autistic enough to feel entitled to confront someone for painting the skin color too pale.
Seriously, I feel bad for jpartists. This shit is so enraging, in order to post anything
online you're supposed to educate yourself on Americentric history and societal rules in order to avoid being dogpiled on. Jesus, fuck all of this. I'm privileged enough to have learned English to the point I can understand and communicate but all of this godawful stupid melting pot racial tension I've had to learn by lurking drama boards, how do people expect some random jpartist to know psycho activits will hunt you down if you're not coloring Nessa's skin with a literal color chart in hand?
Samefag, but I also just wanted to add that the >if you're not coloring Nessa's skin with a literal color chart in hand?
Is also kind of dumb cause a lot of artists do
colorpick from the original artwork while drawing fanart.
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I'm not even American, but come the fuck on. The issue is obvious. Also, if you think any kind of concrit is an "attack", you shouldn't be on the internet.
In Nessa's case, non-JP people were doing it specifically to be racist. You almost sound like the kind of person who'd try to defend this shit, and then make another post complaining about people "blackwashing" characters.
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Does anyone have gossip about peachieflame? She starting to show up on my TL because she jumps into discourse. I thought she was black because of her art, but it turns out she's just spicy white. She does insist that shes native, but I have met one too many white girls claiming their nativehood because their great grandpa was native.
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Idk who this is, but her twitter says she is Nuu Savi/Indigenous Mexican. There are definitely pale people of color out here, but I don't think it would be hard for them to tan if they wanted to which would explain the change in skin color.
I literally said not to bitch. You're insane and arguing a complete strawman. Also, obviously no one likes whatever headcanon you've invented, I'm talking about the mongoloids who harassed a girl for drawing Kiki from Kiki's Delivery Service with dark skin.
I'm glad to not be this easily triggered
, please get help. You're even more insufferable than the SJWs you hate.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Telling the artist that they can't draw Nessa right as a proper dark skinned woman.
But has black Shinobu as pfp kewk
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A Sk8 the Infinity zine is asking people to take selfies with their IDs showing if they want to apply for the NSFW section.
I don't know about to you but to me even asking for a selfie is WAY too invasive. But revealing any kind of personal information to random people and letting them take copies of your ID is really not a good idea, consider you post your ID with selfie to these people, and you have at some point posted some kind of other information about yourself on another site… Doxxers can already get huge amount of data compiled from that and can be used to for various things.
Since this is a zine, they will also get your name since they're most likely using PayPal to pay you (this is a for-profit zine). So this is how they already get your name too.
Also what they're asking is actually illegal in many European countries.
privacy aside, I would almost be happy they check age except that if they did want to dox you who better to do it than infighting sjw shippers. that said they probably already get your name like >>769304
said from paypal. what does adding a photo and birth date make a difference though? that info isn't compromising and probably already on their account with selfies and bdays. so basically it's not a big deal
Yeah this is the thing. How else are they suppose to go about verifying people's ages? Is it invasive? sure but these ( >>769281
) are the best options available for confirming people's ages. Kids lie about their ages over the internet all of the time so the organizers are just trying to avoid a possible shitstorm later down the road.
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>>769037>Don't see anyone correct black folks for drawing Asian or Latin folks
you can just say men/women
Also, yes there is a way to paint black skin, it involves knowing how light and shade values work and how to apply color. Black and dark skin acts different to lighting than paler or white skin, and that's something quite frankly very beautiful. Twittter shitters just think using brown means it looks good but it isn't. They are never serious about art.
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I don't know about kids these days, but back in my days it was common sense not to give your DOB to random people, especially not with your photo.
But it's true that people are getting dumber and trust too much. Doxxing has happened with way less information than that.
Mostly it does not make sense to require that in the first place since they already have a way to verify age: PayPal. Why do they need to see an OnlyFans account? It's more legit?
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NTA Watercolor gets burnt more easily if you use darker colors resulting in a mess devoid of light and life. Watercolor has a different technique than other mediums. That said, practicing makes perfect and painting dark skin is obviously something worth practicing of course. I think that japanese artist just isn't used to it and she isn't as skilled. She mentioned she didn't intend it to look that way so I rather be understanding.
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What is your favorite sai brush ?
How? The people who drew those are clearly very technically skilled, and the pieces and women are beautiful. The Japanese artist and these artists >>769375
clearly have different styles and different appeals, but I don't think one is less appealing than the other
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“GAIS MAKEUP IS ART TOO LEAVE HER ALONE”
started out as a mock art related drama channel and now turned into a boring internet culture commentary. it’s very apparent she’s trying to drift into talking about what’s algorithm friendly because she deleted her older videos especially the video where she talked about the top art community drama
and omg chile this piss poor wig, she reminds me of ready to glare with her weird alternative fashion sense
I'm unironically a fan, she just wears what she wants and talks about the kind of shit that you read about here and that's pretty refreshing. If you want to watch a polished MUA type of vlogger there are already so many of those to choose from >the video where she talked about the top art community drama
The difference is that she seems to know she looks like a clown and she isn't trying to promote herself as a model, she looks exactly like someone who draws glamfur should kek
You'd have more people on your side if you nitpicked her art instead of her appearance, or took the appearance criticisms to another thread
you’re oddly defensive for some boring australian youtuber, starting to think you have really shitty taste and that you dress and look like her kek
what a poor shame
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This is dumb but I find it kind of funny how she’s against this but not above profiting off anxiety disorder.>>768672
>>769736>people can't be interested in other cultures at all
What kind of shitty argument is this lol>don't draw day of the dead
Anyone who wants to draw day of the dead stuff I give you permission (I'm mexican)
Not gonna lie I like how the word gringo apparently triggers
the hell out of the twitter crowd now. (The indonesian word "Bule" is sort of gaining the same effect I feel) I don't know how we did it from all the way in south america, but a literal third worlder word is now an ample source of tears and butthurt on twitter>>769736
I get what she's going for, but I bet her argument devolves from there.
What a stupid gringa, pedazo de pendeja "ay ay mis ancentros" que venga a mexico y me chupe la concha bien rica ay ay a ver si así si estúpida >>769851
Love the way they get triggered
too, will never stop calling them gringos in fact everyone here does. I'm fucking mad at that bitch
With land she meant mexico kek>>769169
Que se vaya a chingar a su reputísima madre pinche gringa cara de mojón ahogado en vomitada "ay si yo pinto a mis elders eso me hace más mexicana que todos los latinos" ven y vive UN DÍA como yo vivo de pura tortilla y frijoles apenas completando para pagar la luz y ya veremos si eres gringa o no, pendejita
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I couldn't help but think of pic lol
first of all>latines
it's LATINOS idiota>never ever spoken about indigenous rights
and how do you know that asshole?>loud enough to speak opver us and call US gringos
porque se te nota que eres gringa y además pendeja, solo un gringo se puede ofender tanto de que te llamen gringa LMAO púdrete gringuita mierdera come caca
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Why does she have slap fights with nobodies? Insulting their art isnt going to improve ur attitude lol
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These dumbasses really forget that you can be western AND asian/black/any minority. Western doesn't mean white, it just means USA/UK/Europe. It's not that hard. This is just embarrassing at this point. Imagine being so petty and so dumb at the same time.
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This chick has some serious hatred against mixed race people? it's so weird, shut up gringo, westerner, bule etc>hurr hurr decolonize yourself>>770110
It's funny, I live in latam and nobody cares at all. You could throw a tantrum about being called a gringo here and cry about being 20% mexican or whatever and you'd get laughed at.
I sure hope twitter canibalism gets this one. People of mixed race have to deal with this shit all the time from these kinds of painfully ignorant people (unlike what this miss has said).
Now she's talking about feeling like throwing up and shaking because she can't find her favourite artist and that's just… Eh??? Calm the fuck down?? How obcessively do you need this person's art? (maybe they quit twitter because of how suffocating the website is thanks to people like her. Can't blame them)
Sí, en México es lo que se dice popularmente>>770342
Pinche racista de mierda
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incredibly pressed someone called them gringa
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Bikensmith, the creator of the transmacartist hashtag was just called out for their lesbophobic tweets earlier this year.
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What is with the people who copy the persona 5 style but their anatomy is so wonky? I've seen a few artist doing it by now
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lol this person this genuinely delusional
Hello brothers and sisters, I too, am 18% native. I guess you can say, Im POC
Seriously, this girl has shared images of her sad to "prove" that she is POC
. I feel like if your friends need photos, they aren't your friends.
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pic rel is what she looks like lol
Wow we truly stan our black queen…!
I am honestly surprised to see how much followers destiny has now. These are the same people that would cannibalize you if you made you're caught race faking.
Did she send them her birth certificate or something because I'm not sure >>770485
would have anyone convinced
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A anime girl holding a c*t
I guess anyone can larp whatever race they want to be for woke points huh
She looks like an ugly self hating white girl>>770478
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I think there's been a push to classify latin people as a nationality and not a race, so a lot of sjw latinos are rushing to validate their POC
card right now.
You can see this with>>769165
Ancestrydotcom and 23andme were a mistake, it was good at first but then now you have all these ugly ass larpers in the mix>>770518
That's genuinely so fucking embarrassing. Why would any self respecting latino bend over like that to fit what twitter's idea is of a """real latino"""?
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Not milk so sage, but it’s so funny when artists like this willingly ignore the differences in structure between women and men.like,Im sorry Aiden that people want to give tips about drawing basic anatomy.
…but as far as I'm aware, latinos themselves are very aware that "latino" is not a race but rather a nationality? We've always known that because latin american countries are mostly multi-racial by default so it makes no sense to say that latino is a race.
My only guess is that those whiteass latinos living in the USA are pulling that crap for the sake of brownie points. It's embarrassing to watch.
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i smell a self post !
she seems really inspired by jana brike
When will they realize that using foreign words in a middle of a conversation that's completely in english makes them look incredibly retarded and not more poc
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Dude I saw a post similar to that on insta yesterday (picrel) and it was so funny because good lord the fag got so triggered
by basic advice. Guy from this post literally throwing a temper tantrum on impact font meme form.
At least I can rest well knowing that half of the comments were disagreeing with it.
I never understood the hate these basic tutorials. They're just the basics!
Of course anyone who leaves their house knows that it's not the absolute law. Otherwise humans would be very boring. There's plenty of cis women with broad shoulders and big chins, just like there are many cis men with thin faces and almost princess-like bodies (the most delicate looking person I ever met was a cis guy) no matter what our culture's weird beauty standards are. Like, we know we need diversity! But there's a tendency that artists need to take into account, a somewhat natural conclusion you reach when you study humans. Once you get that, then you go from there.
I'm just trying to say these people shouldn't lose their time complaining about things everyone already knows. Although ironically I'm losing my time writing this on lolcow (of all places), because these people will forever have too much free time.
Art Salt: Spanish Mode is the best mode.>>769981>>770395
latinx, latine, what the fuck do they mean
seriously who comes up with this shit>>770342>>770482
I feel like her mixed race hatred is self hate. She's mad her 0.00001% Aztecan princess or w/e isn't enough for her to win Twitter arguments with a selfie alone.>>770437
Ah yes my favorite Twitter mess is back at it again.
Why is she so assmad at lesbians
who hurt this fujoshi>>770485
God she looks just like her love live "fixes. very telling>>770735>>770741
It's why they draw everything as weird mishappen blob people that look like they're rejected Steven Universe designs>>770812
instead of using that energy to make complaints, they COULD make tutorials relevant to their trans-centric interests. How come solving the problem/being the change they want to see is never a solution to them?
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Are these people really into drawing anymore? Why come into a hobby that is extremely demanding and expect to be accomodated like this for their shit gender ideologies based on fantasy?
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Just say women, and no matter how broad shouldered a woman is she will never look like a guy.
This is fucking stupid and from the point of view of offended americans that have nothing else to do than to complain on twitter
Mestizo, criollo, mulato, saltapatras etc were race mixes from like… 1500 a.C. We don't use those words in Mexico anymore. We don't call ourselves latinos like how american gringos call themselves that so they feel special. We're all just mexicans. This stupid shit is going to permeate my country and affect everyone's brain if this brainrot isn't stopped right now. Truly americans never stopped being colonizers, only that now they impose their views on others via twitter.
"I'm mixed from two races and I'm pale" and? I have indigenous, white, and asian but I live and was raised and born mexican, in my mexican town, I do mexican things, I talk like a mexican, I'm mexican. You're some dumbfuck american mixing spanish words in your sentences to appear woke. We're not the same "por favor".
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I was in an artist salt thread a while back asking what people recommend for a new drawing tablet because I stepped on my iPad.
Came back to say I dropped 2k on a new iPad kek.
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New treatment = anti-psychotics/mood stabilizers.
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NTA but oh no not jana brike lol
i haven't made a research so I need to wonder why does she draw creepy art which sometimes involves nude children etc? and god the anatomy is fucked up in her works kek
vaguely reminds me of one local artist who symphatized humbert humbert from lolita since she read the book as 14 year old. also paints eerie abstract paintings of kids at times.
picrel jana brike art
Lol oh yeah remember, good for you
which one did you get?
Honestly art should just be a hobby first and a job second. I think it would suck being strapped to a desk drawing commissions. Especially if it's something you don't even like.
I was at an artist Alley a few years ago and I noticed a guy selling 2B prints and I asked him if he played the game he said "no I just drew it because she's a popular character". You're better off drawing what you want than giving into what's popular.
I had that exact train of thought when deciding what I wanted for a career/college. I figured I didn't want my hobby to become a job- it would rip all the fun from it, so I kept art art as a hobby and went on to pick something else for a career.
Art as a career is soul crushing, honestly. I can barely handle doing multiple commissions, being limited to having to draw what's popular/what others want is just too much for me. Maybe I'm just a softie but that's how I see it at least.
I think she's saying it because of the current climate. It used to be that lots of artists started out as hobbyists and found an aspect of it to monetize w/o compromising their entire hobby. Now, you have people who want to monetize their every doodle on Social media or on a piece of merch without ever having to work for a paycheck ever again w/o really understanding why they like creating in the first place. They don't know how to manage their own time to make it into a feasible option, they get greedy and fuck up their queue.
It's good advice, but it's off because it's projecting too much. Some people may have good business acumen, time management skills, and maintain a steady queue to do commissions full time. Those are the ones who branch out beyond just doing people's random OCs and into solid freelance work.
(Forgot to tag lol)
bought a 12 inch iPad pro and all the accessories I'd need. I was able to sell my old iPad and switch for a hefty price tag so that's how I was able to afford it.
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But why do female artists feel the need to represent their trauma like this. As something delicate and beautifully tragic. Why is it never guttural, like anti-soviet/imperialism/war art often is
its funny how these old discriminatory and dividing terms are now seen as woke by gringos with a race fetish kek>>770927
exactly kek this isnt dora the explorer lmao>>770958
agreed, being conditioned to be feminine at all costs is in itself traumatic
>>770903>Honestly art should just be a hobby first and a job second. I think it would suck being strapped to a desk drawing commissions. Especially if it's something you don't even like.
I agree tbh. Unless you actually enjoy drawing a certain something that also happens to be popular, sometimes it's best to just keep art as a side hobby while having a regular job. I don't think I'd say that doing art as a career can't be done, especially with porn artists being thing (Sakimichan lol) but unless you're okay with your hobby becoming a job, it's better to just not turn art into a career.>>770909
That's totally fair anon. I'm kinda split. Like I'd love to have my art be my job and I'm one of those people who doesn't even mind drawing pinup smut (just being honest lol) but at the same time, the fact that you'd most likely have to eventually cater to newer modern trends to get attention to your stuff is what is daunting and why I keep my regular job at this time. Plus I do eventually want to branch out and do art for indie games and I know that's a gamble as well. So for now I'm content with having a regular job with doing art on the side.>>770913
Ah okay, that makes sense.
This one >>769173
? Weird, based off that Twitter bio, she seems like the exact type of person to draw that kind of thing. Definitely a hyperspecific combination of things to push on Miku, though.
Hardware requirements for art always boils down to faster CPU + more RAM = good times.
4GB is no where near enough. 8GB should be your bare minimum and I would recommend more. Higher processing speeds is definitely a must. CPU wise, try to get a quad core intel CPU with at least an i5.
As for tablets, get whatever you think is best. If your drawing skills suck already, no tablet is going to be useful. Feng Zhu is well respected professional artist and uses a 10+ year old non-display tablet and a lot ass art-tubers use display tablets. Of course there are many great artist who only use display tablets and iPads and terrible art-tubers who use non-display tablets.
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It’s hilarious that Tomislav tweets so much about how he supports nfts when his art isn’t selling and he has to beg random nft art promo accounts to promote his listings.
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he's not bothered at all by this
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He lost another thousand since then, lots of people (including big twitter artists) saying it wasn’t even the NFTs but him showing his ass that made them unfollow.
Hope the 170 dollars were worth the hit to his reputation
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who are some artists that draw cute men, modern or old? i only know of Layendecker, Henrry scott tuke and kaneoya sachiko. please no trap/crossdressing/femboy shit.
I mean, when you have nothing to really do it's easy to get wrapped up into one hoby.
That said, not noticing you're dropping 800 a month on something is kinda absured, but it's possible if it is smaller amounts here and there but even still thats roughly 30 dollars everyday on a new paper crafting thing. However, it isn't uncommon w/ artists and crafters to have "spending addictions" on their hobby, especially when buying things makes them happy. I put it in quotations cause it isn't usually a true spending addiction where it is actually compulsive to the point they physically cannot stop themselves, but more so we get unaware of how much we actually spend on a hobby and it isn't like they're buying any random thing that just sits around… Esp when we can't really pad our time out with anything else.
either way, I don't think it is really worth any salt or hate. She just got wrapped up in enjoying her hobby so much she didn't know how much was being spent on it in a month. Just needs better budgeting skills and it can happen to the best of us.
hell ik if my boyfriend didn't give me an allowance every month on what I can freely spend, I would have spent every disposable penny I have on art supplies since I have literally nothing else to do.
Call me an ass or whatever for this ultra salty rant, but I've always thought people like this were the ones who shouldn't
be giving that kind of advice. Or, if they do, they need to really make it clear that they're not someone who's already supporting themselves with a full or part time job. The best advice I've seen has always come from people who were struggling to pull capital together because they weren't from a rich background, had perfect credit, had a spouse with a high-end job, or had a high-end job on their own and were whining about how soulless their six figure income and full benefits was making them feel. They were always grateful for their success, but were also very transparent about fears, failures, and doing their homework to maintain things. That includes emphasizing the importance of connections, which these people who give "advice" from their parent's or spouse's wallets completely leave out beyond the obvious.
These kinds of people are the ones you can also always tell whose talent never scales with their persistence, so it's like watching a Dunning–Kruger petri dish. The assets that they have for their business feel like they outperform what's actually being displayed, ex: a really bad artist who tries to peddle their tons of OC merch, hardly makes sales, but still tables at every con they can with even more new merch because they're from a wealthy family.
I encourage people to have a creative hobby, but it's people like this who seem confused about what an art business entails. A lot of them even get hung up on the idea of not wanting to 'sell out' while having zero clue as to what that really means.
There are exceptions of genuinely talented and business-driven people who make it, but you can tell when they treat it like a toy they can dump vs treating it like work they enjoy doing. They also have a weird sense of entitlement about it.
There are too many bad examples I could list, so I'll close the rant with an example of someone I admire: A local artist who's grown in fame started out caring for her sick mother while her husband worked. She had to quit her job to do so. They were struggling pretty badly and were by no means wealthy or was she tethered to him beforehand, and everyone knows caregiving at home is a 24-7 job in itself. So, in between taking care of house, mom, and husband, all she had was her art.
Now, she's well known to where her husband works for her and they were able to hire a good caregiver for her mom. I admire situations like that, when someone uses their talent to try to take care of themselves and their loved ones and it pays off big time.
But these other people? I wish they'd stay in their own lane when it comes to "advice" on making a living with your work.
So true… I would honestly LOVE to be one of the instagram influencer artists who just sits around drawing random girls all day, who posts aesthetic stories of their morning coffee and walks and runs an etsy shop and a patreon. But once I looked into it most of them don't make enough to sustain themselves without the help of family and partners. Once again it's about selling an aspirational lifestyle that is inaccessible to most who aren't lucky enough to have the same background.
Some successful independent artists I've seen come from a studio background and have worked for game or animation studios and then transitioned to doing personal work and running their own business. That seems to be a safe way because if you have the experience, you could always go back to doing employed work. But of course that requires a lot of skill and discipline for practicing etc that a lot of these girlboss etsy artists wouldn't have.
Not that anon but agreed. When you make this sort of art but don't have the fundamentals down every single piece becomes like polishing a turd.
I (partially) blame digital mediums for this. Painting digitally has made it way too easy to apply all sorts of tricks and shortcuts so your coloring and rendering makes your art look nice at first glance, so that learning anatomy with simple sketches takes a backseat. I feel like with traditional art you spend a lot more time practicing sketching with just a pencil because coloring and finishing require expensive art supplies that run out when you use them a lot. At least for me I only started using those supplies once I had the basics and anatomy down after years of just pens and pencils. Even then, I only use them when I like the basic sketch or lineart enough. With digital art you don't have that limitation, since you can use different colors and brushes and textures as much as you want.
james gurney's drawing from the imagination will help
ive asked a lot of concept artists, and usually they start at barebone materials and how theyre made, then thinking about how it would function in reality
not the thread for this btw
It's so truly hard to start out because half the people you can get advice from aren't actually making money off art - but it takes forever to figure out which are. I've got a day job that pays my bills and locks down most of time away from art, and it makes me be choosier with clients and work that I do. But half the time when people ask me about business stuff, they get disappointed that's my truth - and I find them slinking away to go suckle on the advice teat of the people with wealthy families or partners. Because those people aren't honest about how they're surviving.
Every time I see kids on twitter crying about how they live with their parents and sell art but they're making maybe a few grand a year and they're scared and lost I just feel awful for them. But they need to go get that wageslave job and give up on thinking they're going to morph into one of those rich people overnight. The shitty jobs will teach them life skills that will help on the art side of things anyways.
Twitter mentality fucking sucks, I get told regularly that the day job career I spent a decade working my ass off to get is a "privilege" and that the people whose parents still support their ass at 30 are actually the poor marginalized artists. Everyone seems to have this belief that working for a living in anything but art is below or above them and somehow taints them. It just makes me bitter at the people with rich family/partners because they're the only ones who benefit from that narrative.
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I found a Stardew Valley clone called "Super Zoo Story" and had nothing to do so I made a comparison. Anons, do you think this is plagiarism? Surprisingly leaning more towards no now but I'm curious to hear other opinions. Looks like the devs acknowledge it and block anyone who calls them out on twitter lmao.
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It's way too similar, to the point of being impossible to tell from a single screenshot it's not stardew valley, which I'd totally consider too close but they are honest about it, and looking through their twitter, they're not hiding comments about it either. ConcernedApe is quiet about the matter so i think he doesn't care. Ultimately it's not going to steal Stardew Valley's money and riding it's popularity is a double edged sword - will get them attention but also will make it easily forgettable since it has no other identity than just being a Stardew Valley clone.
Sage and sorry to back track (catching up on this thread) but oh my god the person bitching about Nessa is a personal cow or mine.
They start shit in the apex fandom all the fucking time. A popular artist (Jocsaii) drew a slightly twink looking Gibraltar and ‘bimbomuslim’ started a massive brigade against her. It wasn’t even white washed, just kinda goofy looking.
Even when the art was deleted and an apology was made, they started tweeting about how twitter defends racist white artists (Joc is a POC
). Their whole page is begging for donations, starting drama and nonsensical woke bullshit.
Ni siquiera es que los chairos les quieran hacer caso pero hey enojarse por mamadas del Twitter desvía mas fácil la atención de las pendejadas que hace el gobierno
For the non spanish speaking nor Mexican just some political bullshit, but the consensus is that the gringa loca is full of herself
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Really, this whole callout is insane. It was literally just one tweet and a shit ton of artist all of sudden started drawing Trixie fanart in support of Kiana. This entire thing is overblown.
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Is this like…official art? Is there an American Dragon reboot? If it's just fan art, it's kind of ugly, but I don't care.
I kind of agree with the "negative" commenters, though. The character is a mix of casual and cute. I'm not sure why the artist rejected that for her and gave her a more andro/masc sort of look, but kept everyone else (mostly) loyal to their original designs and vibes, kek. Obsession with "gay-coding"?
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it's fanart by Kiana. She sometimes redesign characters of older shows.
There were people saying shit in the replies of the original tweet though it wasn't just one tweet it was people complaining "dark-skinned black women always portrayed as butch is racist!!11!" even though the original characters whole thing is that she's a tomboy
also one of the people (who was supposedly black) hardcore arguing about it being racist was calling people "coons", "monkeys" and telling them to go back to "being a house n*igger" all because they didn't have a problem with the design
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Samefag but here's some of the replies and comments on the design
Kiana is half black too, so I really think twitter needs to chill the hell out. >>772735
Why does it matter if its fan art or not? You should think its ugly regardless of its official or not.
I can see how she walked into this one, original Trixie was a tomboy who still wore feminine tight blouses in pastel purple, showed her midriff and enjoyed fashion. Trixie not wearing make up is understandable, she’s 14.
Tomboy doesn’t equal butch.
Agree with >>772701
, there's a reason why "you go woke, you go broke" stands true once again. If you dedicate your art to pandering to the crowd best known for causing forced controversy through identity politics it's going to blow up in your face at some point.
Sorry, but I just find this fucking funny.
The whole SJW obsession with defeminizing girls/women and ticking every box "POC
, gay, non-binary, trans, gnc, fat" is really forced and boring. Nobody really likes it besides people with very low self-esteem who think ugliness is somehow progressive.
There were so many ways to redesign Trixie and keep her tomboysh, but they chose to make her less cute, in baggy clothes like a guy. Nope.
Heeeey, I remember this chick. Got into controversy for trooning out Nick.>>772809
Every single time without fail. It's like that one game The Office Type, it got shit deep in drama the moment they revealed their first 6 characters. What's the demographic being sought after here? Insane asylum escapees with an addiction to e-begging? Come on, now.
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>>772742>>772851>Makes Nick a troon
LMAO I thought she just made him some bishonen but making him a troon is way worse.
Why do these people always feel the need to do this for a character that's even remotely feminine or takes care of themselves? Everyone else looks fine/the same but he's the only one she changed.
AYRT but what helped me was following the advice of people who discussed how they started their businesses via Youtube or their personal websites. Twitter, I'm learning, is a great place to learn how NOT to behave. Since I wanted to start selling merch of my art online, I hunted for those people specifically. In that sphere, you saw more people who had jobs and did sales on the side, or people who had no choice but to do it after being laid off. They already had those skills developed from their shitty job that they could apply towards their dream.
(That's kind of how I functioned, too. I had skills that got other people rich that I wasn't paid very much for, so I decided to use it for myself while working and renting a room to save money while I grew things.)
I'll never understand that. How can people (claim to) have such a deep appreciation for art, wanting to decorate their lives with art, buy clothes that they love that started out as a sketch, etc. while dismissing the commercial side of art?
Why is some trust fund baby's art, someone who won't even bother with fundies and cries about having "only" 500k followers the ones we should care about and not the people
Who do they honestly believe is out here making this happen?
Twitter at least serves to teach us what not to do and gives us an idea of people who are trying hard to be our competition, but failing.>>772278
Ohuhus are nice and they have good sales on their website.
As far as papers go, and this applies if you live in the USA, but Usartsupply is good. Their sketchbooks are sold in pairs and they have free ground shipping.>>772607
As long as you're studying foundations, it doesn't matter what you use. But lacking access to the undo function will help you gain your confidence. With good confidence, you build whatever fundamentals you pursue more fluidly.>>772730>>772816
These same people who've been supporting Kiana have been trying to find a reason to cancel her since that's how they roll, being cannibals and all. They love testing their saviors. Kiana doesn't care, but I wonder how much longer that'll last with how bloodthirsty that base is?
It's funny, yet I still can't help but feel a tiny bit of embarrassment and pity for that entire corner of Twitter.>>772918
I remember that. It's silly and made no sense to the extent she did it. I've been trying to armchair psychoanalyze that, especially since it makes her Delia x Jessie art feel like James is being cucked.
Yeah it's like "oh you drew somehting in a way I don't like? Racist!"
But when they draw racist caricatures they call it woke.
I hate when I see artists go out of their comfort zones to draw other races, expressions, body types, etc. and they’re obviously not as adept at it as their normal, but they’re trying and doing it from a good place, and then these types start to absolutely attack and slander their character. Draw a nose a little off, a skin color too light, a fat character a bit slimmer, and suddenly the racist/problematic
accusations will come flooding in by people who need to see the worst in other people to fill their own victim
hood complex. Because if people just make honest mistakes out of being inexperienced, not as skilled, etc. doesn’t make them as oppressed as they long to be.
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How is this woman as popular as she is? Her art is mediocre, I mostly see her complain about how much she is oppressed and needs help, now has a 30k assistance dog she clearly doesn’t need.
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Looking at the replies and man this is so sad. Apparently because the artist is biracial, she’s not pure enough and therefor racist. Man… this sounds like nazi ideology shit.
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This tag is to highlight women who are overlooked and not in the industry yet
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Somebody told that Yueko supports NFT in her visible women tweet, any clues this is real?
Learn to sage, newfag and go check the previous thread.
Also, you could have literally just found info about it on twitter by searching 'yueko' and 'nft' because twitter created a shitstorm out of it.
All this NFT hate solves itself in a very funny way.
>artists have a way to make extra income now>it also gives them real opportunities to interact with bigger galleries at a grand scale>but people hate cryptocurrency because they're holding onto the value of their dollars>the massive scale of how many artists there are, specially hobbyist artists, that will jump into cryptocurrency just because it makes money and not because they want to get into the gallery business>so how can we stop this?>oh I know>use the current generation of autists that get offended at everything to cancel this shit>so then we can discredit any reason to use NFTs>ok but they're legit good so make up a reason…>…>… uhhh internet is bad and global warning?>…>Profit!
Don't come at me with "it's killing the planet" because it isn't. Selling an NFT has the same carbon inprint as scrolling down social media and watching youtube videos. And how many times do people scroll to social media a day? How many times do you watch youtube a day? Don't be hypocrital, if you want to cancel one thing, cancel the other too. This is just like when zoomers say they dislike fast fashion but still buy tons of makeup and shit from aliexpress.
If you want to support cryptoart then fine, but what's the point of denying the effect it has on the environment>selling an NFT
Im pretty sure it's mining that's causing the issue, not selling.
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Does any Anon understand what Mike hill said in his shizo sperging on his insta story?
Fyi he is worked in bladerunner 2049 and major AAA games as concept artist.
pretty sure that's bait. either that or some bitbro that's impossible to reason with.
either way it's better to ignore.
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I'm sorry, I just wanted to rant about this because this thread and the amount of people agreeing with it upset me on a personal level.
It stings to work long and hard on art few people will even be interested in because it's not nsfw, only for fetish artists to act like they're sooo hard done by because a few people pointed out that discrepancy. Even my friend who is relatively popular gets completely ignored when she does sfw art, regardless of how good it is or how much "real passion" was put into it.
I know if I were comfortable putting massive fetish boobs on my characters I would make significantly more money, that's just a fact. It has nothing to do with being able to translate erotica onto the page or whatever. Not to diminish the struggles of other artists, it can be stressful for everyone but I find this rather hypocritical.
>NSFW isn't easier money
>I'm afraid of losing my livelihood if major platforms crack down on NSFW art
So you agree. You think SFW artists have a harder time generating income.
Proof-of-Work cryptos are very taxing. This is why Proof-of-Stake cryptos are being developed. They rely on validating who owns the currency through the networks instead of redundantly mining and burning through equipment
Even Ethereum is in the process of moving into Proof-of-Stake because gas fees are so high.
That's really it. When you get into the porny half of NSFW (as opposed to erotica, which is MUCH more widely accepted) you're catering to addicts who want their next fix. You're catering to a world where anatomy is so out of control, the people look less and less human with each iteration until they're nothing but indecipherable blobs. The artist becomes addicted to the low effort:high payout ratio and a loyal following that will protect them.
The only "hard" part is if they ever decide to go serious. You can actual tasteful pinups featuring a boob, ass, or normally sized dick (erect or flaccid) and be okay. Once that boob and dick is on the same body and are both ten times their owner's size, that's when you need to stop and question where you want your art to go.
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Pucca is constantly subtweeting her ex and gets her personal army to attack him but then says stuff like this
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It’s so sad, he just wants to make shitty YouTube videos and now he’s getting ratio’d lmao
Never date a munchie i guess
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>>767010>Post about how your wrists are fucked up and you can't update your webtoon because it would cause you too much physical pain>Immediately follow up by posting three lengthy comic strip posts of OC backstories of another story project, all within the same week to milk that sweet, sweet Instagram algorithm>Only express an interest in posting writing content after Wattpad has been acquired by Line Webtoon and there's an opportunity that your shitty basic stories will get adapted into live action>Post mainly in English because you think it'll bring you more followers than posting in Spanish, then whine about constantly having to translate using DeepL>Open up a second account in Spanish but never post anything because you have less than 1k followers there>Constantly talk about quitting art forever and about how your efforts aren't worth it despite raking in more than 10k likes effortlessly with every post>Delete any and all comments that don't treat your mediocre art and your shitty Netflix teen drama tier writing like complete masterpieces, because only vehement worship is allowed for your generic content
I know this is a bit old but, > female artists feel the need to represent their trauma like this
Overgeneralizing, huh anon?
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strange seeing anons that hate puccanoodles art while liking this show that literally has pucca’s art style
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People can like ugly things, they just have to be stylized in a way that works. Ping Pong is considered ugly as sin by a lot of people, but it's still considered a cult classic and the style works for what it's trying to get across. ONE's webcomics fall under the same umbrella. Ugly reality (or even lack of technical skill) has its place, just do it well/have other elements that balance it.
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didn't she get called out for this odin sphere art specifically for copying the theme/pose from another artist. why would she use still use it to promote herself.
guess it doesn't matter since people in the comments seem to love it and either don't know or forgot about her copying other artists.
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Even though ones character art sucks, he actually does really great compositions and backgrounds tbh.
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>>774623I actually love ONE's art quite a lot, it adds to the humanity of MP100
I sometimes forget how much I really like his covers. I think people forget that wonk can really add to the charm of things.
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people love compassionate ugly. It's the ugly to be rebellious that comes to people as artificial
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The fact that their ValiDate game was on par with April Fool's Jokes says more about their game than about the jokes. I've seen plenty of good dating games and visual novels. It honestly feels a little like they're trying to blame the backlash they received on other people making jokes, as if visual novels and dating sims haven't been an established medium done several times before to great acclaim.
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That game is/was a joke. The devs just have yet to realize they're the punchline.
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you're telling me you DON'T want to go on dates with the most insufferable people to ever be created?
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I remember that they made it a stretch goal, that they would add a white guy in the game. Then became upset when people made art of him
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I mean with marketing like this, do you really expect to be taken seriously?
>>774800>if youre catholic we'll smash a bottle of pinot on your head
lmaoo what the fuck
why do these type of people love violence humor so much
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Everything about this game is ugly. And it was discussed long time ago, when they acted as obnoxious as possible, people even proved that their backgrounds were just filtered photos.
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This game has one (1) good chara design. You can throw the rest in the trash
You sound like your history of female artists isn't very well known. The art world seems like it only dials into female trauma. Even when a female artist is making fairly innocuous work, her biography is very quick to mention all of her trauma before anything else, while bios of male artists, their hardships might be glossed over (i.e. a brief line about the man growing up in the middle of a war vs. details about the woman's sexual assaults). They do the same with artists who have a pronounced/diagnosed mental illness.
At this point, some (but not all) of it could just be playing to a crowd since the fine art world eats it up. One example is w/Louis Wain, there's only just now evidence that he may have been dabbling w/psychedelics with friends when he made his crazier cat pictures. They write it off as his schizophrenia degrading his mind. In reality, he remained pretty competent up until his death, still working while living in the asylum, having visitors, and so forth. But tripping balls in a higher-end asylum while painting cat pictures isn't marketable.
Though, said psychedelics could have come through cat shit, which makes the story a hell of a lot funnier and fucked up. But, I digress.
>>774853>boob window and the pecs look like an actual ass
oh definitely. the chicken-scratchy linework on the left vs crisp and bold lines on the right, the way there's soft vs hard shading, the choices of color undertones, different approaches to texture. if the same artist did both i'd be very surprised and kinda impressed at their range kek
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It was done by two different people. The devs consist of like 10 different artists and one coder.
This is me having a retarded sense of humour but I tought it was funny the one white guy was italian lol imeatly made me think of this youtube clip>>774800
I haven't seen the other people but great galaktyca strikes me as extremely unprofessional both in this and in her light novel or whatever it is. She'll make random tweet doing jokes about the characters and then the official account will retweet that. Their advertisement imo depends way too much on le quirky jokes about the characters and it's just kinda cringy (again, imo)
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Hwo do you even make it big on twitter. I always see my mutuals getting a good amount of rts/likes on their drawings but i cant barely make it past 5 likes. Does the algorithim hate me? Or am i just too unlucky?
She's mad because this looks like something I'd actually play AND she's been treating ValiDate like a fucking meme.>>774797
They did! And it was mostly for merch. I think the game itself will be free.
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This literally has the same energy that that fake Brony dating game Sam Hyde scammed people with
how sure are we that this is a legit thing?
also the artists/devs were caught running random images off of google through a filter as backgrounds https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/hvyk90/ethics_validates_dev_using_images_lifted_from/
not super bad but still sketch
>using Kickstarter>whilst also shilling a patreon>asking for $32,000 to add a white character>asking for $80,000 for voice actors
this absolutely REEKS of a scam 90% they'll take the money and run
>>774861> You sound like your history of female artists isn't very well known. The art world seems like it only dials into female trauma. Even when a female artist is making fairly innocuous work, her biography is very quick to mention all of her trauma before anything else
“Don’t know the History of female artists and trauma” then references socialmedia bios > One example is w/Louis Wain
(I can’t even begin with this one because it seemed unnecessary)
… anon, you went into a whole other topic. Are men’s trauma often overlooked in media, yes. The op’s post was about female artists glorifying their trauma through art, not the fact that some people choose whether or not to share their life experiences.
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Top is female, bottom is male. Same concept, idk why some think male trauma/experiences with mental illness doesn’t exist In art or can be made “beautiful”
It might be a question of who you know rather than how good your art is. I only have about 400 followers but I usually get a lot more interaction/likes/retweets because I have a lot of supportive friends who I also support. My 1000 follower friend gets a lot less interaction and had a meltdown about it a few months ago. You might just have to make friends with more people and hang out with them more. Just dropping by to say hi and dump some artwork isn't enough, you have to actually integrate into the group. Failing that, just get better at art. My friends can only do so much but I worked hard and have been improving so I think naturally I just get more followers that way, I only do original art but right now I get about 50 new followers a month. If I did fanart I could get more, perhaps doing fanart is something to consider? Another factor is luck I think, some of my friends went up by a huge amount of followers in one day because a way bigger artist retweeted him. The surest way I think is to kiss the ass of bigger artists on twitter, I'm too dumb to be like that but it will definitely grow your account the quickest I think.
I think the main takeaway from this though is that getting big on Twitter is not the primary concern, it should be bettering yourself and your art. Sometimes my stuff gets 10 likes sometimes it gets 100 likes and 20 rts or something (not a lot to some people but to me it feels like a lot). I don't let it affect me though I just power through. It can be demotivating but if it demotivates you to the point of getting depressed over it you need to realise that you may have an issue and take a break for a while.
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Guys, what do you think about Happy D. Artists progress?
I feel like even if her anatomy always sucked, she still somehow managed to make her art dreamy unique and she put a ton of details into it.
But nowadays her anatomy still sucks, and she seems to got so lazy. Her current art seems so uninspired and dull.
(top row old, bottom row new art)
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Best example for her bad anatomy, but somehow even this is so much better than everything she created over the last year
Holy crap Anon, stop sperging and take your pills already. Op was talking about females of the art community and its portrayal of their said trauma and mental illness. If you want to sperg on about how men’s mental illness isn’t taken as seriously, go on ahead>>775238
I hate how this made me laugh. completely forgot that Van Gogh existed/was a much better example
lmao she knows, the thing ism kane has been like this back in her DA years too. >got caught many time>A bloo bloo woe is me>pretends nothing happened a month later
she knows she can get away, but at least this time she's blacklisted for sure by the animation industry.
Late but she posted a statement on her Patreon. TL;DR is that she thinks it could be a good new way for artists to make income but won't fully be in support of it unless it becomes both sustainable for the environment and a sustainable source of income. >>775714
I doubt she'll be blacklisted by the animation industry. Every allegation against her, even the ones that are proven true, get swept under the rug so fast that people forget it like a week later. She'll still get professional work because people won't remember or won't know that she traces/copies.
She's from New Zealand, dipshit.>>770966>Also, men love to buy artwork featuring traumatized little girls
Source: dude trust me
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Her concerns for the environmental impact sure didn't last long
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TB Choi has joined the crypto art movement, losing about 2k followers since announcing their first auction… They made 16k on the sale.
I'd say live and let live if she wasn't so obsessed with spreading her clit removal ideology to other people. She reminds me of that other degenerate cow who tried convincing her underage followers to get nipple piercings and buy dildos off of her.
Also we know she lurks here. Probably to get off on the shame.
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Fucking kek'd. Luckily her fanbase is massive and she has lots of clout, so none of this will hurt her.
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Three posts for Marie coming up. This cow has upped her milk since that break up.
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This and the next reply post are related. She goes off on an obviously that happened rant about being disabled…
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And then proceeds tom less than 24 hours later to post this..
Thank you for the recap. I was just going to post the video.> self-proclaimed ambulatory wheelchair user> can walk for "a bit" but needs help> dances and jumps around for tik tok in her spare time
Tomorrow's forecast: "im out of spoons"
You should see the cringe shit where she and her roommate dress up in costume as elves and witches to walk around Los Angeles “just because”
It’s just worse that it’s during a pandemic lol
honestly, it really is because a lot of people that make a show about unfollowing only really show how ignorant they are. Other than the environmental argument, a lot of them are accusing artists of just being greedy, selfish, etc. as if numbers in a following = profit. Most artists on social media, even those like Yueko, Kawanocy, Ilya, Zeronis etc. (they aren't involved in NFTs other than Yueko and maybe Zeronis, I'm just listing popular artists) are probably upper middle class at best. Above poverty, but certainly not "rich". Then again, a lot of kids on social media think being rich is having 100 - 200 bucks disposable income given the amount of crying i see over "rich people buying things during a pandemic" and it was something that was like 200 bucks.
not saying nfts aren't bad for the environment, but a lot of them are just like "All the rich artists just getting richer" only really say that cause they see that those artists have a large following… lmao a large following doesn't equate to an income. Not to mention, it's kinda ridiculous to expect people to exchange a potential living just for the environment when the data for NFTs specifically is kinda shaky/mixed. Is it the NFT itself that is causing the emissions? or just the mining of the bitcoins used to purchase them? Not to mention, you have to see how those compare to sending out the same value in prints, merchandise, etc. as well as the manufacturing of that stuff too.
people even brought up in the qrts that she did like, 5k vtuber commissions to buy a house and it's just like… yeah to buy a house… like functioning adults? Like, even a month 5k can be eaten up quickly with food, bills, taxes and savings. Not to mention, these people act like VTuber commissions are easy to do. Some artists I've seen have at well over 30 folders of cut parts, emotes, and other crap. But then again these people are so used to seeing vtuber commissions that aren't any more than maybe 1k at most.
all in all, I don't really care whether someone is in support of NFTs. It's up to them whether or not they use it. All I care about the art theft which may get fixed to some degree or to what degree as possible since with or without NFTs people would steal artwork (and sell stolen artwork lbr, NFTs isn't bringing anything new to the table with the art theft argument) and how to just make it safer for the environment rather than discounting it completely.
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I always wondered what type of people buy Relms art….now I know
I blacked her face because its just an example not an exposure.
But thats her instagram feed open for all
Yueko got shit on over her house because she was bragging about how she paid it off in 2 weeks and acting like that's normal. Yes, it was her hard work that got her there and it's impressive that she's a homeowner at such a young age, but it was her "see? it's easy. the rest of you aren't trying hard enough." attitude that threw people off.
Anyways, I agree with the rest of your post, especially the part about vtubers. There's an expectation that people will do work for cheap to get exposure via the vtuber's streams, but $5k is normal for models of Yue's caliber, particularly because she works with Iron Vertex, who are highly sought after riggers. In her vtuber streams, she talks about how her vtubers can have 300+ layers just so they can move as smoothly as they do. Her turnaround time is extremely quick too, at only 1-2 weeks.>>775999
Ew wtf. My eyes. Spoiler this shit.
It's still a scam and people are not even selling art, technically they are buying a hyperlink which points to a file on a server. If that server is gone, so is the file. The link/NFT serves as a transactional coin, so just a way to exchange large amounts of bitcoin in one transaction essentially. Getting all these mainstream artists involved in an obvious scam is, I guess the onlyfans for the art community. It makes all the artists involved look like shitheels for knowingly selling essentially nothing for thousands, promotes the scam to smaller artists and pushes bitcoin into the mainstream despite its many problems.
I don't blame artists for grabbing some money while it's on offer but it's still a shitty scam to take part in.
YouTube just released a "shorts" feature which is fucking annoying, people don't come to YouTube for short video crap. They pushed those people away yrs ago and now they want em back?
The only thing I can find on the house thing is her talking about getting the deposit for it or how she only got it from stress and overworking herself when MAMETCHI brought up that she got a house deposit from doing commissions. Granted, i can understand how it can be offputting but people were basically just like "Didn't you buy a house? rich artists are greedy smh" or saying that she could just live off of commissions. Someone even brought up the average price a home for her area of NZ to say that she may not be rich, but she isn't poor either on her subtweet about people thinking that she was rich and citing things like her having a large following, doing vtuber commissions, owning a home, etc.
idk. it feels like it is just grasping and straws and it is both gross and annoying to witness that people think that working and doing commissions to get a basic living commodity, even if expensive, is a sign that you're one of those Rich Artists and if you can afford food, house, bills, etc. then you must be RICH as opposed to just, average? It's like the only thing people know on social media is either impoverished and constantly e-begging or having so much money that you literally never want for anything and live in a mansion with 10 cars. Idk why people need to hyper analyze someone's income just to prove that they're "rich" when their idea of rich is being able to live a comfortable life and not worry about getting evicted or how you're going to afford food for the month.
Even artists like Zeronis have mentioned not wanting to live off of commissions and having done commissions myself, I'd choose NFTs over doing commissions if I could. Though i don't get commissions regular, I can imagine that they lose their galore once you start getting them regularly and have to deal with clients ghosting you, chargeback scams, payment processes like paypal being able to hold thousands of dollars and not give it back just because they thought it was "suspicious" you got too many orders at once (Which is what happened to Minnie Small) and having zero legal obligation to give it back at all, etc. So i can fully understand the appeal even if they are bad for the environment and you are a larger artist who could probably make a living an alternative means.
OFC I think it is a scam and that if you don't have money you can risk putting into it, I wouldn't recommend it. But I'm not gonna knock someone if it works out for them. We're all stuck in a rat race… As long as someone isn't doing something that is just obnoxiously dangerous or stupid for money not really gunna blame them for chasing a bag.
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Does anyone here is patreon of Lioba Bruckner? How comes she have 480 patreons? Her cheapest tier is about 5$, her art ist maybe mediocre at best, her youtube views are not that great, and the same for instagram likes.
So what is it with that patreon success?
But if you compare others from the same league, like Happy D. Or Lena Danya, both cheapest tier it 1$
And Lena has about 350 and Happy only about 200 patreons.
I would love what lioba does different, but I dont want to spend the money on her
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She's American herself, her parents might've been born in S.Korea but she was born in America and doesn't even know korean aside from common phrases.
I don't understand why people who are korean-american, etc are not "american" when it's convenient for them. She was born and raised in America on an American diet. heck she complains about gaining so much weight since all she does is sit at home playing ffxiv and complaining she lost her full time job at some shady start-up gacha game company that got sold and let go of all their employees last year.
sage because she's become pretty irrelevant since she got addicted to ffxiv but was somewhat popular in her tumblr days when she was in school.
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Creepy pucca is getting into MMA now when her ex loves it
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I remember this artist. idk if her addiction to that game caused the style shift or her laziness but I like her art alot more when she wasn't drawing characters from 14
image is her art from like 2016 vs now ( https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExThonPUYAIIROc?format=jpg&name=medium
but yeah shes not milky, pretty average anime art and boring personality.
that isn't how it works, anon. fungible tokens function as a link to one unique specific location its just a new form of URL. it can lead to literally any digital thing so some artists use it as a form of trading digital proof of ownership for money.
NFTs cant be put "onto" digital things or "made" by an artist or any of the brainless shit other people are saying ITT lmao.
NFTs are auto created by hashers in blockchains through proof of work hashing every 12 seconds and so are FTs regardless of if they get used by someone or not. it is impossible to stop the validation process of a blockchain and miners are going to keep solving blockchains by running super computers until the final amount of all ether is mined. The energy problem is not caused by internet artists and even if every NFT seller literally stopped tonight it would not cause more or fewer NFTs/FTs from being hashed.
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Sssssure girl, whatever you say
I thought those skulls made me laugh out loud but then he he hit me with that Emilia Clarke portrait. Oh man.
Anyways, the answer is supportive rich parents. Or connections (through said parents).
Sometimes I get jealous of these types and wonder how much better I'd be at art if I had gotten family support instead of PTSD but then again I'm glad I don't get complacent like this dude.
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>>775976>"All the rich artists just getting richer" only really say that cause they see that those artists have a large following… lmao a large following doesn't equate to an income
Unfortunately I believe this is true when it comes to first worlds artist in most cases. Most artist who buy into the NFT I've seen are industry level and established artists. I won't question whether them getting into NFT is sincere or not, but judging by how it requires you to be invited by another to actually have an account for nft minting really paint the portrait of classism through premium exclusivity. Furthermore, I see popular artist (most of the time it's the invitee) bidding for other artists to set the initial pricing, so there is hint of premeditated procedure happening among the big name artists circle.
I honestly dont think NFT is a permanently thing, and artists are just being opportunist merchants. People talk about social justice, saving the planet etc, but does the exact opposite when a bag of money is in front of them. It's human nature so I won't criticize them because I know I might do the same.
Twitter mobs are a lost cause, they hold their pitch fork over whatever "enemy" they can bully on in unison, but when it's their own idols who are doing the act, the whole group collapse.
Holy shit Marie is 100% a munchie and as an actually disabled person trying to work in industry and can't it really fucking pisses me off. I don't want to blog but I'm disabled with fibromyalgia and other shit, who the fuck cares.
Anyways I know for a fact that if she is as disabled as she claims and needs a wheelchair and a service dog and is in the ER all the time then she sure as shit shouldn't be dancing around like that! That would hurt like fuck. That's a flare up for at least 3 days, you wouldn't be doing that if you actually had mobility issues and have a fulltime job, that's so stupid.
Also the fact that she crowdfunded her service dog she probably doesn't need? Marie works at Disney, used to work at CN etc. Clearly has industry experience and a good network. I have a few friends that worked at CN and other guild studios. I know for a fact that they get paid A LOT and have really good job security. I'm talking story artists get on average 80k a year as a STARTING salary. Plus all of the other benefits while being in the animation guild. Marie if she pays her bills on time probably has good credit. Good enough credit to take a bank loan out to get her stupid dog if she really needed it like she claims. (she doesn't, she's a munchie). Or she could have saved up the very good salary that Disney pays her and you know act like a grown up and pay for it herself, you know with the job she has.
She didn't need to fucking E-beg. There are actual disabled people out there that need stuff to aid in their mobility, need healthcare, therapy etc and live below the poverty line. Where remote working and freelance art like posting their shit online is their only option for income and they don't get any help. Then you get spoiled, munchie brats like Marie E-begging on twitter and getting tens of thousands when she doesn't need nor deserve it. I get that the world is unfair etc etc but just fuck her, honestly. She does not need that dog and did not need that money.
it's not just that. when she first started begging she claimed charity orgs rejected her application which is why she needed to get a dog from a breeder.
she also claimed it'll be a puppy that will need to be trained and will be ready in 2 years but then she got a clearly grown dog sooooo?
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It's real fucked up to see people try and dox/out LGB artists that literally live in Middle Eastern countries on some basis of fandom cartoon rights. Like, literally what the fuck do they think they're accomplishing?
The person calling them out? She's a they/he fakeboy American, to boot. Truly remarkable. Twitter has been beyond fucking insane lately but this is basically the worst case I've seen in a while, especially because while I'm not much of a stan I haven't even seen Columbo do anything notably obnoxious. Truly wish somebody would just call these deranged, privileged childrens' parents and get them off the internet for a while, it's giving them brain damage.
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That sneaky AM hidden next to armenian… Paired with being named fucking Becca and being a he/they lmao. It's giving pure boring white girl. She's either not getting called/hiding those pronouns or her armenian heritage consists of a great great grandparent who would be deeply disappointed by now.
I legitimately feel like forcing this sort of puritan American shit on people from third world oppressive ass countries is some form of weird modern e-racism. It's at the very least horrifically intolerant and the epitome of colonist attitudes.
I'm so confused, becca called Columbo out for being lesphobic because he said it's fucked up how a lesbian character was forced to become pregnant? That's so backwards, I can't wrap my heard around this
I hate twitter, hope it gets nuked soon like tumblr did
smth smth "AOT is antisemitic and promotes genocide and militarism and is nazist because german names"
typical twitter nonsense.
the writer of AOT got accused of some shit once also but i don't remember what anymore.
Idk if she has enough consistent milk to keep a thread going though
She is definitely a snowflake though. if anyone remembers, Marie’s last boyfriend cheated on her. Marie and her industry friends accused some random girl, viv?, of being the “other woman”. They even came on here and called her a home wrecker and subtweeted the fuck out of her. Turns out Her bf did have a crush on viv, but multiple other girls too. Viv of course didn’t know what the fuck was going on, but Marie attacked Viv without evidence or asking Viv about the situation and then never apologized. Girl boss tho amirite?
Also don’t get me started on Marie’s girl boss hate men I’m gay but love dick sex worker roommate lmao
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God how doesn't anyone here know basic history. SnK is set in the 1920/30s, the storyline blatantly mirrors imperial Japanese war history. The eldian characters are of a Japanese German fantasy military able to transform into giant sapient supersoldiers, vs the race of giants outside the walls who are a brainless race of monster cannibals whos only function is eating the sentient race.
The eldian army is organizing a siege against the kingdom across their border to literally exterminate the world of every cannibal and occupy the kingdom to expand their small colonial rule beyond the confines of their walls.
The author has made many clear references to the Japanese Korean war, denied the raping of Nanjing, and is a huge WWI/WWII fanboy on twitter. A character is literally designed from a war criminal, picrel.(derailing)
As someone who has read the entire series up until the current (2nd to last chapter), this is the biggest amount of bullshit I have ever read.
This spiel sounds like some Tumblr copypasta. Actually read the series sometime and it becomes pretty clear that the overall message is anti-war, 'racism bad' and 'blind hatred destroys us all.'(derailing)
>>776768>The author has made many clear references to the Japanese Korean war, denied the raping of Nanjing, and is a huge WWI/WWII fanboy on twitter. A character is literally designed from a war criminal, picrel.
He himself posted so much of this shit on twitter that there have been petitions to get SnK banned/removed from markets and libraries in at least SK and China, idk about other countries.
kek he’s a genuine war criminal sympathizer/colonization apologist, it’s a shame people including anons itt sum up disdain for him as woketard twitter & tumblr nonsense.>>776784
As someone who has been reading it since 2012 until now, it doesn’t matter what your interpretation of the author’s intent is. He has made his inspirations clear enough. Cope. Google is your friend.(derailing)
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DC beastboy artist picolo is currently being exposed for scamming his half a million dollar crowdfunding backers by being 2 years late and underdelivering/not fulfilling project promises (the post is old but there were new developments so most of the traction is from today)
As a Korean migrant myself, while I do see the influences of world war and imperial Nazism, but I dont really see it as political statement. A statement within the context of SNK, yes, but as a tool of real world brainwashing? a bit too much of a far cry. I mean the final arc is doing the literal opposite. >denied the raping
he did not said this, he stated about the contribution of Japanese colonization. Which was a very bad wording and sentiment, even if it was unintentional or not. The context was more about what happened from the Japanese record pov rather than picking a side. You can say he was inconsiderate for not mentioning war crime from the victim
side, but he decide to dance on neutrality instead. He'll get in trouble regardless, Even Miyazaki personally avoid talking about it then just end with the typical "War is bad" note.
Most of you guys are probably from the west so I don't expect you guys to understand Asian political affairs'. When it comes to Asia, the word war-crime is not something that can be dumbed down to just by its plain definition. Between China, Korea, and Japan, an apology for said war crime is not just a series of apology bill and education training to acknowledge war crime like how German paid they their due. Both Chinese, Korean and Japanese government are using said war crime for ulterior political motive, this whole drama has been ping pong'ed around for generations to the point you really question if they really care about the actual victim
of the war crime or not. Most older Korean generation knows about this, and ,most younger Korean just want to move on and not be burdened by their ancestor's grudges, but it's not happening right now especially with tension going on in China CCP. Japan isn't the only one to apologize for their past deed, but they are the most popular choice when you need to find someone to blame on.
And no I'm not sympathizing with the Japanese government, and do hope they acknowledge it, however, I'm not expecting an obligation. I cringe every time I see westerner speak about the warcrime in such light weighted sentiment, boil down all context, then turn it into a competition of guilt shaming and who should apologize faster.
Knowing basic history is half the truth, understanding it is the other, and how you use it for the future is another. Using only the information and not understanding is weaponizing falsehood.
Fun fact: anti-Japan or anti-imperial Japan is completely legal in Korean film, it's fine to use Japanese people as caricature or test subject, but who care because it's the "right thing" to do lol.(derailing)
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I remember being sad because I missed the indiegogo campaign. Dodged a bullet, apparently most of the panels were already on his Instagram and the story was lacklustre. That's a bummer, I really thought the characters were interesting and I actually wanted to buy the Teen Titans series he's been putting out
I'm really curious where this is gonna go, I've been reading the comments under his campaign and they recently received their digital copies (through a link that was only available 5 days lol)
Picrel is part of the thread (it's really long though)
Im always surprosed to learn how well gabriel has been doing in his career. Back in his deviantart days, someone called him out for tracing a significant amount of art that trended on the front page. But his fans bullied the call outter so bad that they deleted the post and deactivated. He never owns up to it.
My Brazilian friends also hate him because hes quite right leaning. He keeps his reputation pretty clean, otherwise.
It's more like "if you consume this series, you're a freak" but when they consume it "psa you can love series and still be critical of its themes!"
It's very hypocritical, honestly. But, unlike the annoying woke crowd, Im not going to cyberbully people over some random manga?
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what do people think of stealing compositions/poses/photobashing? or is it possible to even "steal" an idea like that.
I guess what they are talking about is like what kaneblob did with the photobashing/compositions, but it seems not alot of people cared about her taking heavy reference of others as long she didn't outright trace the artwork and even argued that it's something like her take on the theme/idea.
pic related, also looks like they deleted this while I was posting though. For context they were angry that a RT was using their composition from 2020.
It wasn't that interesting I'm more just curious what people think of that whole idea of stealing compositions and themes I guess.
He’s fairly wildly disliked in the br scene for multiple reasons, one of them being using a reactionary catchphrase during the bolsonaro election (one that was only used by his voters/right wing leaning people). Then trying to stay apolitical (which is frowned upon, considering the mess Brazil is in rn) and only clarifying the situation (through a non-apology) 2 years late when the bolsonaro administration started getting really ugly. Suffice to say Brazilian twitter has been having a field day dragging him, although he still has a lot of defenders and will likely come out virtually unscathed.
He actually made an announcement regardinng this situation… in portuguese, when most of the people complaining are foreigners, and his tone was extremely curt and pissy (like, annoyed people are bringing up the issue) and even telling people to go fuck themselves for continuing to bring up the bolsonaro thing.
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That was fast.
Anon said it was an 80K a year starting salary, meaning that number goes up. By the look of it on Glassdoor it goes up by quite a bit and 80k is a pretty accurate number for a starting salary for story. Especially at Disney, but that number could be for feature and not TV. Because Marie has previous experience and has a network she probably gets more than a starting salary at her job though.
Also LA is as grossly expensive if you have roommates and split the cost which Marie has, meaning she might have more disposable income than one would expect. Point is, Marie is far from being poor and you're right to say she's a selfish cunt. Then again she goes to the ER to do her Munchie attention seeking shit a lot so those bills probably add up quick. Wouldn't be surprised if Marie was a woman child who couldn't manage her own finances and lives way beyond her means.
Its listed on her gofundme
Her second one actually, she had one before this https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-marie-get-her-service-dog
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I guess it depends what's being stolen, but I got pissed when I was vinne art stealing mmmbcnn_'s idea/composition. The original was very memorable to me and I recognized the influence from vinne's pics instantly. It felt bad seeing vinne get praised for the idea that people weren't aware was stolen from a smaller artist. I guess praise and numbers don't mean much, but I hated seeing it
yeah, bottom is copy>>777061
Vinne's lacks a lot of charm for me. I think the original is a lot of fun!
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unrelated but lol this design is for $350, no additional art or some shit
It needs to be a VERY specific thing, otherwise it can be simply inspiration.
People think it's easy to spot when it's plagiarism or not, but it's actually a pretty complex thing. So complex that each country has their own laws on it, so it's near impossible to find a definite answer to situations that fall into a grey area. I believe compositions/poses/photobashings can be considered copies in certain cases, but each one is different. So many people are ignorant in the subject and use words like copy/tracing/stealing without knowing anything and it ruins every discussion on the subject.
, I remember this and people played the "you can't steal a pose" argument, but it's not simply the pose, it's the idea, making 2 images in the exact same composition.
I would say this is more inspiration rather than stealing. Otherwise, anything that was inspired by or referenced from something else would be considered stealing.
both images carry different vibes from each other so I'm less inclined to call it theft in a genuine sense.
I think this is saved from being theft solely by how much more soulless it is. It is truly remarkable how they couldn't make the Goth Sexy Kinky GF carry the role reversal vibes whatsoever. It's like they saw the point and then missed entirely on the execution solely to channel Aesthetic WLW Vibes.
I will say that it's definitely a different image because of that though. Kind of a weird mixed situation, though, I also dislike it.
sure, it might be expensive for you, but that's what the artist though was fair for their work. art is a luxury after all. if you can't pay it, don't buy it.
getting tired of people gatekeeping artist's prices, saying their drawing are too expensive, they cost to much etc etc. seems like selling fully finished pieces for $10 really fucked up people's perception of how much art costs huh
When you really think about it, it's not a lot. The artist is going to hand over any rights they would own of that character once its sold. So its actually a fair price.
Adoptables is really where it's at, and you can even make more if you do furry adoptables. Its weird but can be really profitable if you are creative.
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>comes across a seemingly cool project
>ofc it's tranny inclusive
Why has troon shit infiltrated all the art places? No I don't want to see Venus with a dick dingling between her legs, she's a prime example of female goddess ffs. And seeing who participates in this project it's mostly lesbians (and fakebois by extension) and fujoshis, it's just virtue signaling at this point, male troons just stay in their furry coomer corners anyway.
This might be a bit out of topic and spoonfeed, but how are they shitty people? You mean by the way they did the kickstarter?
I also remember people getting mad at Omocat because he was dealing with the kickstarter so shittilly that people were starting to think he was just scamming people as a way to advertise his clothing brand lol
While the copy looks better on a technical level, the original has a lot more going on in terms of dynamics, and yeah, it's a lot more subversive.
If I was the original artist I would be pissed.
That's what I was just thinking. Calling it theft is a compliment. It literally looks like fanart of two cosplayers who tried to emulate the first picture but missed the entire point and all the context. The first pic is amazing and engaging. The second is fishing for IG likes.>>777357
This is them being lazy because giving a light to artists who fit this bill would require effort and research. Photoshopping Mona Lisa into an Aiden Lake is less effort for them.>>777376
I miss those days. Reminds me of y!Gallery allowing transmen in the main gallery. Sure, there's a filter, but that's not yaoi.
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Imagine being proud of bullying someone off a platform because you don't enjoy their art.
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I don't know the characters either, but the character with the braids has massive tits and long eyelashes if you look closely.>>777958
Isn't this the same person who ran that tumblr blog under the name joulejay who would harass people for not drawing characters dark enough (usually extremely minimal skin tone differences) and would edit their art to "fix" them? I remember they did it to a popular Splatoon artist and people kept trying to point out what color theory was because the other characters were super washed out too (the lighting was very bright) and it was referencing the official splatfest artworks which had a similar palette.https://splatoohart.tumblr.com/post/178936232082/agent-8s-first-splatfest
I remember her being nasty as shit too and spamming reblogs trying to start fights with artists over it all the time.
I'm not shocked at all that bullies don't change, for people like this their entire social circle consists of fellow bullies so they just keep harassing others because it's how they pass the time.
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French (white) artist who draws old school guro. She drew some asian girl among others and twitter is seething now. French art twitter is super angry now
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Some added context in picrel.
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Found a better pic that has more of the drama.
Jeez this fag again? Does he never get tired of this?
Can't wait for him to accidentally make a tweet with the word "kill" in it so someone reports it and gets insta banned by twitters bots like his girlfriend was.
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Their gf is the same person as destinytomoon who crusaded for fat black trans miku. This is perfect. Cows collide.
Speaking of other artists like Jay, I notice a reoccurring artists in the thread, ddawnniee who joins in with these cancellations and bitch a lot about things, she's of course a 19 year old white lesbian who preaches and tries to harrass artists off sights as well. It's hilarious how after that tweet and her angry tangent she just goes on to bitch about how she's losing followers and how it's causing her 'anxiety'.
She's also connected to a lot of cows and her art isn't really that good which I can see why she decided to clout-chase and join the horrible witch hunt. It's also a good news some people are actually shitting on Jay and realizing how fucked up it is.
nnnnoooo I loved her art>>778043>>777981
mmhh maybe people are extra sensitive atm because of the asian hate crimes that happen right now?
To me the artist seems like a huge weeb with the username and depiction of asian girls. And yeah considering the raise in hate crimes against asians which have also been happening in france it's not a good look.
Might be an overreaction from the woke crowd on twitter, I don't think it's something to cancel someone over for. Just cringy. But as a half asian in europe the comments from the french crowd piss me off even more. Typical european reaction is getting offended at any criticism or whenever racism is being brought up and refusing to acknowledge that racism isn't an american only thing.
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any french anons here?
Not a native french speaker, from what i can read she explains the history behind the name, venomous mushroom and a MHA character. She also mentiones the hate is coming from Americans who are accusing her of being racist. She explains her inspiration comes from ero-guro style. She also says thst the hate crimes are happening far away from her and that she made her pieces long before the asian hate crimes started. She also says that her attackers don't want her drawing poc
cause she she is white.
That's all I got, maybe another anon could pitch in and do a proper translation.
This person is either dumb or they are intentionally only addressing their french audience because they know that they are already on their side.
Hate crimes against asians have been happening all over europe too. I'm not someone to cry cultural appropriation but it reflects very poorly on her to take so much inspiration from another culture and be oblivious or ignorant to stuff literally happening in her country. Asian people have been telling her what they find wrong with it and she blocked them.
I didn't think it was that big of a deal but this response is just dumb, french people need to stop acting like racism only happens in the US. The most amount of people pulling their eyes and yelling ching chong at me happened in france.
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I put the pictures into onlineocr to get the text then put it into translate, and that's basically what they say
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Speed translated this sorry for typos
Idk where the Asian influence is in the art- minus drawing females who are Asian. All it seems to me is guro art with Asians that is the most unsettling.
Also, hate crimes happen everywhere, but American media make it the most polarizing (YouTube, primarily YouTube drama channels are the best example of how toxic
it can be). Its another reason why a lot of non-American artists/people block American media it can be hella toxic
with jumping on the bandwagon
She specifically says she is inspired by a japanese art movement and has a japanese username. And I don't see what about hate crimes is polarizing, as far as I can tell they are universally condemned.
I don't think she should be bullied off the platform, at all. But the response is stupid and so are the responses by her whiteknights
KEK I don’t even care for this shit but she really didn’t defend herself well at all.
She basically said “I love Japan and I love Japanese artists and a Japanese character so I used a Japanese name” which worse weeb shit could happen but it’s still pretty retarded. She should have left out the “I love x country I have no relation to” bit because they’re going to easily use this as evidence she’s a fetishizing degen.
The real “wtf” moment was this shit “I drew Japanese looking school girls all bloody because I like the art when they’re in erotic-gore.” How is she not cringing to death at writing this. Is drawing French children too boring or something? I’m not accusing her of anything, but people’s tendency to draw specifically Japanese young women in a school uniforms experiencing violence, almost like that’s the default subject, is weird to say the least.
>reality of Asian violence>It’s American!
twitterfags are gonna have a riot with this one KEK she lives in France ffs
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What the hell
Her art is so fucking cool! What a fucking shame she got chased off the platform by retarded twitterfags.
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if you look at her twitter it's mostly monster girls and general horror woth a few guro pieces, it's not like her entire output is violence against asian girls
Sure she draws a lot of japan-inspired stuff shit but that's every weeb, including the artists calling her out (none of whom is japanese either)
>>778455>there's a screenshot going around of her saying that she'd rather talk to a Nazi than an Asian person
And of course no proof is to be provided, we're just supposed to accept this as it is laid at our feet.
Anyway this whole "callout" is bizarre.>A woman inspired by Japanese well-known ero-guro artists creates art inspired by their aesthetics, including Japanese schoolgirls, also username is a Japanese word>People decide that she's racist and calling for the genocide of Asian people because she's drawn bloodied Japanese schoolgirls and colonized the whole continent with her Japanese-language username>She scrambles to create a post in her defense to please the frothing SJW masses attacking her over a non-issue and says that "the IRL violent crimes against Asians are horrible but my art is far removed from those actions and created from a place of admiration, I'm French so I don't follow current issues in America">"OH SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT FRENCH CAN'T BE RACIST AND BECAUSE YOU LIVE FAR AWAY FROM THE US YOU'RE JUSTIFIED IN RAPING THE ~ASIAN~ CULTURE HUH???" >The movement is driven by that e-begging untalented tranny who dates destinytomoon>wut
Is this really what you've become? And people in this thread agreeing with the sentiment and abusing people over nothing just because you have a hate boner for weebs? And don't give me any of that "W-well I'm not saying the crowd didn't go overboard, BUT
I think she……" shit, I'm not 15 and you don't need to state the obvious. She didn't deserve what she got just for weeb crimes. Touch that fucking grass for once.
Also let’s not forget that right now there’s seems to be more backlash heading towards the idiot dating destinymoon, Jay seems to had have his face leaked and now crying about it on twitter by promoting his ko-fi.
The comments under it is hilarious if you ignore the ass kissing and people dissing french.
lol because the screencap got deleted and I'm not about to spend time trying to dig through whoever deleted it.
"Abusing people over nothing" as if this isn't a literal salt thread lmao. The artist is a weeb who's into ero-guro and posted some bad art at a bad time. Then in her apology says that she doesn't know about anti-Asian hate. She's acting pretty stupid.
Jay is the sort of guy who seems to revel in 'taking down the man' or whatever. This is small potatoes. It's an artist with a weird fetish in her art. The number of white artists who like to draw vulnerable young japanese or asian school girls is numerous, and it's still weird.
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christ she just draws edgy stuff that includes the occasional nosebleed, it's not like all of her art is just shades of bruised schoolgirls. half the time it's just monster girls (picrel) or surreal body horror. And it's not even horny art.
if this is so objectionable maybe start canceling all the scrote weebs who draw violent pornography? kinoko is small potatoes compared to most of the shit coomers get off too.
i think there's something particularly heinous about a female artist who uses her art to deal with trauma being accused of wanting to see asian girls suffer. they know they can terrorize a well-meaning twitter artist more than they can big name scrotes who draw weirdo porn.
well, at least she's back on twitter now and she's been replying to people who draw her support art! i hope americans "cancel" her and stop paying attention to her.
lmao how is this her dealing with trauma? She draws this art because she likes it and panders to other weebs, and she uses brutalized asian women as an aesthetic. I don't think she wants asian women to suffer, I think she didn't think much about it at all and just draws this because she likes the eroguro aesthetic.
Not really hate worthy but don't make this deeper than it is, I swear some of you guys swing the pendulum too far in the other direction because you just want to hate on twitter sjws
i'm saying that because that's what she said before any of this even happened, a month ago or so.
my main point is that these retards accuse randos without knowing anything about them.
you say this>lol because the screencap got deleted and I'm not about to spend time trying to dig through whoever deleted it.
and then you say>Then in her apology says that she doesn't know about anti-Asian hate.
which can be very easily confirmed to be a blatant lie by just rereading an apology few posts back, where she says the exact opposite.
Why are you like this? Does it make you feel better about yourself?
Whiny bitches on twitter really see this, decide that it's problematic
and go on to cancel the artist and then turn around to compliment aggy-like child porn and destinytomoon's racist caricatures. Nice.
Istg there will be big bruh momment when the Japanese art community find out about this.
99% people who speak up about this doesn't understand guro art in general.
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you keep talking like alls he obsessively draws is traumatised asian women lmfao looking through her twittermost of the distrubing content is jsut body horror and thare'a lso a lot of random sfw art
and it so bad that some pieces should be distrubing? why don't you cancel junji ito next lmfao
it really ain't. not everything a female artist draws has to either be a depiction of trauma or just pandering to coomers.
Sometimes people draw body horror because they like the aesthetic. It doesn't mean they have to either be depicting violence as a fetish or violence as trauma.
people can just like horror.
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Fear thy French nobody-artist WHITE WOMAN
She's drawing ero guro that's an actual style and it's not drawn with a propaganda intent. At this point drawing weeb shit makes you have yellow fever or what kek.>>778653
Honestly the shortcut to asian violence happening in real life is just a disgusting weaponization; idk if I'm talking clear about that but she's using real life incident for twitter gain that's rich.
Can Webtoon drop her for targeted harassment? She openly admited it.
Jaynder is pretty much the poster child of the
"artist who sucks so bad at art that the only way they can gain clout and followers is by calling out other artist for problematic
behavior." He spends all day retweeting other artist and complaining about white people. He went by Joulejay on tumblr.
Hush anon, they can't understand anything beyond "white ppl put on kimono bad" and it must be presented with a k-pop fancam attached in less than 100 characters. You're wasting your time trying to explain the nuances of cultural exchange.>>778653
Is this bitch really even Asian? Someone post that facepic, it has to be a white anglo-saxon.
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French here. Here is the screenshot you're talking about.
She's not saying that she would rather talk with a Nazi than an asian person, but that she would rather deal/argue with a nazi than a sjw.
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small derail but i gotta know, why SJW are pipou in French?
Bloody monolinguals. So many jump to conclusions and yell rubbish slang to communicate to non-fluent english speakers.>>778773
I didn’t see it immediately either. Black hair & yellow toned skin equals asian to those ignorants.
Who is the person in the top tweet?>>778838
But anon, accusing people of being racist is just salt! it's a salty thread! /s
Can you even imagine using brutalized murdered asian girls for things like promoting your gofundme for a dog you didn't need? woow imagine THAT. INDEED I fucking wish people could have the same energy to support victims
as they have to bully randoms.
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don't worry she's back to sad posting about her breakup lmao
she's trying to frame him like a clout chaser but he's clearly crushing on some random content creator with 50 followers. It's not about clout pucca, maybe you're an unbearable munchie.
kek seriously. i feel like twitterfags saw a few asian tropes in the illustrations and just assumed the ethnicity of the girls being drawn.
i also doubt any of this would be an issue if the stop muh asian hate crimes campaign or w/e wasnt in full force. seems like everyone is being really sensitive about the subject (please dont turn this into a race derail; its just an observation on current social justice trends).
I really want all these people to fuck themselves off. The only thing I'm happy about is that this bullying will be called out in the future and they'll fall.>>778985
People just love being outraged for the sake of it, to give more attention to themselves
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does this freak ever stop complaining
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I guess not, even if there’s still tons of people calling him out for ‘cyberbullying’ and also bringing up many situations from his pasts about how he did something to a rape victim
It’s gotten to the point where his fans are getting tired of his tweets as well and as mentioned, he’s losing some followers. Blind cow of course crying about how he doesn’t know why he’s losing followers but complains and whines to other artists about skin colors and asians as a moral compass.
I don't think I've seen those mentions of him doing something to a rape victim
. Sorry for spoonfeedfag but could you explain more?
Btw I find it interesting none of the other people from that "gang" (even his gf) seem to be comenting so much on it, at least that I have noticed.
Maybe that's why it's not working, cuz their brigading only works if they have a bunch of different big players ganging up together.
*I just went to check on some of them to see what they're up to by now, Teachiko is locked idk context, greatgalaktyka's account doesn't show up, angelface just had another thing going on (long story short: she made a post for unpopular opinions and someone joked all artists are pedos and she didn't like that very much), melonyn/moonwave tweets and retweets random shit way too much for me to be arsed to scroll all that way down, she's had at least 2 or 3 rants on different topics in less than 24 hours
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I haven’t seen much besides comments from when Jay had called out the artist and a few other dumb tweets that got featured.
The only thing I got was from comments like the one shown below. Apparently Jay got a rape victim
fired from her job.
Also finding out what happened to Teachiko is pretty easy, the first thing that showed on twitter was people shitting on them due to Tea deciding to shit on the artist Sakimi’s art style. The heat was too strong and they decided to try to DFE’D/Hide.
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Sorry for samefagging, but to add on, Teachiko went after the artist for her not looking, 'Japanese' enough and tried to send their followers after them which of course backfired not only due to Sakimichan's fanbase, also sorry for the wrong information but it seems like this happened in 2019, people are just now digging their past up from 2019-2020 and talking about how shitty they were.
Teachiko's many callouts or due to: Them making fun of hazbin hotel characters and fans, the sakimichan situation, the whole 'anti shipper' and moral compass they have according to others, but the sakimichan is still relevant today due to the fact that #Stopasianhate is trending and still a thing..
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I love how Jay act like Asian Jesus Savior in this situation while back then he had a beef with Yueko(Chinese Artist) because of her following lmao
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Lmao. What art career is Jay talking about?
The art career of being special needs and crying about situations and being shit to their friends?..I think I seen this guy cry more than draw if anything, notice how the artists who often do this makes shitty art compared to artists with basic anatomy even if this is a meme, it seems like a meme a 13 year old would draw.
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holy shit, we're witnessing an internet juggernaut. I'm fucking laughing my ass off right now.
I hate both Yue and Megan, but seeing these crazy mofos grabbing at each others' throat is making my sides flying in orbit.
her apology/explanation is retarded in so many ways. yeah, her drawing exclusively asian girls is kinda fetishistic and weebish, but she can draw whatever she feels like because we're supposed to live in free societies.
i hate how most people have become spineless and ready to bow to the mob.
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Did acatcie finally realise how embarrassing her actual 'improvement' posts look and just make one up instead? Comments are still 90% asskissers but some people seem to be realising this is blatantly clickbait kek
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Here's how she actually drew in March, these types of accounts always look so soulless.
You would be surprised how over the top twitter shits are in regard to stand on top of their moral ground though. I think they just look like anime girls or w/e I don't care if she's a weeb. They don't look a certain race imo, just animeish.>b-but anime is japanese
Yeah whatever it's just cartoons
I have to agree with the other anon, this is basically just tracing and shading with ‘extra steps’ to give it the impression that she improved slightly.
She knows what she’s doing for sure but is taking the easy way out by not putting effort. This is just an example of some lazy artist following trends to build a career out of successfully not for the passion but just for the money or clout from it.
NTA but literally who cares about that anyway? It's such a non-issue that shouldn't even be debated. I'm pretty sure she never thought about it that deep like>Hmm, time to draw specifically a bodyhorror piece with an ASIAN girl! god I hate those fucking japs!!!!
But instead >I like the characters this Japanese artist draws, I want to emulate them in my work because they inspire me and coincidentally happen to be Japanese!
Without even paying mind to the race aspect. Twittercunts really whining for more representation and when le evil whitey draws characters resembling something else than a white Instagram bitch it's fetishization and wishing violence upon them.
Sometimes I feel like the only people who may be impressed or enjoy this style are Young teens/children, those who want a big following and want to show they follow big artists, those clicking/scrolling through their feeds mindlessly, and just those who thinks the person may have special needs and feels pity.
I know the last part is a bit of a stretch but can happen a lot of times, I forgot what artist I was looking at with awful art styles and taste, but I only remember seeing a comment that straightup said: "I think she is special…So I wanted to follow and show support :3"
Drawing like a child/as if you are still in your early teens sells a lot when you paint a narrative or get a big following at a young age.
Lmao right? People falling over themselves to defend her they start making up the dumbest arguments, the characters look japanese, stop assuming white is the default and every POC
needs to have super exaggerated features. It's fine for her to draw asian girls no matter her own race, as it is common for this type of art
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Don't really care about the controversy about guro/body horror or whatever. It's just clear it's a weeb artist copying their favorite nip artists. It's practically ubiquitous on the internet for weeby girls to draw guro at this point and has been for years, I guess the outrage here is because of current events and that's unfortunate.
I just thought it was funny to see anons pick apart the obvious weeb part claiming "n-not even Japanese!". Like…please. You can talk about how/why you disagree with this without veering into delusion. We all know the aesthetic she was going for, it's been floating around Twitter and Tumblr forever.
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So big take away of this conversation that lasted a long time is the fact that a popular artist has been ‘cancelled’ (very loosely since let’s be honest, in about a week or more, sure she’ll have people still being petty towards her but she seems to have a lot of fans and people against those who even tried to throw a fit over her) for her art that reminded people of the unfortunate event.
In other news, it looks like one of the ‘artists’ who so called her out and was mention in the art thread before due to her art of an oc being drawn in an ‘offensive style’ (quoting what she said) and happens to be friends with a lot of cows, deleted her account. I tried to look into it and double checked if it was twitter fucking up, but her tweet that originally brought up the artist and this account is dead for maybe about 1 day? It seemed like she deactivated either two or one day ago.
Seems like the people who made a fuss about the artists are dropping or having full mental breakdowns.
>>779341>I like the characters this Japanese artist draws, I want to emulate them in my work because they inspire me and coincidentally happen to be Japanese!
This exactly, she probably watched Midori the Camelia Girl or whatever and liked the art. Very normal. It's like if I liked Gravity Falls and started drawing in that cartoon-esque style. It's just things that inspires us as artists.
Who cares about the "current world issues", like, she has been drawing this for years before the covid shit started and etc. If people are so outraged why not go help irl asian people? they just like screaming at women and seething at pictures. God these people have no lives
Omg her freaking hand. I don't even know wtf is supposed to be going on there.
Why is her wrist a literal 90 degree angle in both of them? What's with generic artists and being so freaking autistic about putting any tiny amount of effort into drawing hands (or just using a darned reference)?
Also, notice how even when purposefully faking the old drawing on purpose she still ended up making the "newer" one way less expressive.
At least people in the comments are finally picking up her nonsense.>>779435
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She’s basically the girl you see in the first set of tweets that called out the girl who ‘brutalized asians’.
I would say she’s a nobody but a cow at the sametime, she was friends with a big artist before named Cheebster/Chibi who drew fanart of her character Lettie who would soon be spread around and attract more followers.
She gained clout/likes after a troll bustingshirts drew her character darker and gave her nigger lips and she cried on twitter angrily about it. Sadly since she deleted her twitter, I can’t find any proper art pieces that aren’t blurred except for this one right now.
She even jumped on the mikusona and spread awareness about the artist that drew the black Miku getting their account shutdown. God I wish I had the tweets, but she would always bitch about something and more, she’s also the whitest bitch ever and of course, like any 19+ Age person, likes to shout black lives matter and call out the ‘white people’. She was friends with that one girl Loved113 that was in discussion 27, the black girls that always complained and bitch about art and more. I would say she’s just like Jaynder, always bitch and makes alt accounts to target people but then cries about followers after. She seemed like a good cow for a bit, but nothing too big. I’m just surprised that after the whole asian situation she didn’t ride the clout like Jay is doing.
People probably still think she's a child, not to cause a major stretch but with that art and the fact she doesn't have age in her description (Which is normal a lot of times but she doesn't even specify how old she is in any posts or more, not trying to say she has to but that raises up questions and a point).
It's like having a child show you their drawing, most people are going to try to awe at it and excuse it as them trying to learn.
People have called her out in the comments or got tired from it and it does show with other pieces she did where people ask questions on how did she degrade and try to motivate her to draw a different way..But not necessarily a whole post yet and I can see why, if you give criticism to any big artists people will attack you for it.
Ok that makes sense. I thought she was older. Attacking her wasn't on my mind, more like push by her fans. I guess she will grow out of it some day.
The worst thing artist can do is to become uninspired, and people praising you for the same thing over and over again isn't the best inspiration to do something else.
What year was this?
Now I’m curious, I mean 18 is still young but if she has been drawing for a while and a few years and still draw like that I consider that questionable.
The bustingshirts situation was shared in a previous thread >>694280
, and imo, she didn't do anything wrong. He was stalking her and and a couple of other artists iirc.
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look at the grease it looks so fucking greasy like him
Marie honestly pisses me off so much. Her munchie, attention seeking bullshit does so much more damage than she will ever realize. She isn't just taking money from gullible bastards or lying to doctors and an audience for attention she has an entire platform that she has to take responsibility for. I hate to say it but she has the ability to influence thousands of people in her retarded hug box and has the capacity to fuck up the lives of so many people just by spreading misinformation. Like how someone who has such bad chronic pain that requires a wheelchair and service animal for daily life can hold down a full time job at a company who is known for long hours, brutal crunch time and harsh deadlines. It perpetuates this idea that if disabled people just 'tried a bit harder' then they could also be like Marie and be 'contributing to society' (if that's what you would call Marie's shitty excuse for 'professional' work.)
Because poor Marie is the 'uwu cutsey wutsey innocent girl' in a wheelchair and she got to her place in life by sheer 'hard work and determination' so 'you can do it too! Because Marie is in a WHEELCHAIR, we can actually see her disability and see how bad it is, so yours can't be that bad, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to do x, y and z and be a NORMAL adult.'
And this is almost always said in response to actually ill and disabled people asking for accommodations so they are able to work or just get through daily life. Marie is cruising along fine because there is fuck all wrong with her and she's still receiving help. She's playing on easy mode. And little white knight dickheads wouldn't even think for 5 mins and consider the possibility that their precious little princess could be fucking lying and not be an accurate example or representation of someone who is actually disabled.
I believe they’re talking about the youtuber Ethan Becker with clickbaity titles and more.
Last time I checked, few discussions back mentioned that he allegedly started a cult and mostly people disliking the way he drew women I believe.
But those were short/small at most, people speculated it was true due to how when someone asked about it he just hesitated/seemed really suspicious with how quick he shut it down.
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wait is this person in a relationship with him, or are they roommates or? i can't imagine how insufferable they are irl with all their virtue signaling. they might one day end up cancelling each other
"The best I can do is erase everything and move on"
But she isn't going to is she? Because she'll milk the 'woe is me I broke up with someone' until she can no longer and then find another thing to sperg about so people will feel sorry for her and give her attention.
God the meltdowns this girl goes on when life doesn't go exactly her way is both abysmal and extremely entertaining. Absolutely ridiculous that these are the 'professionals' that work in industry, where they both feel the need and feel comfortable enough to post this garbage in front of their own colleagues and stand by for validation. Her sheer narcissism makes me want to throw up and is using up my bandwidth. Also for fucks sake what age is this bitch? She sounds like a spoiled 14 year old.
Also the pure irony of "the other party will never realize how much they have hurt and violated me". Yeah Marie you will never realize how much you have harmed disabled people by you know getting a low supply-high demand specially trained dog that you really don't need. Or conning people out of thousands of dollars or speaking for disabled people when there's absolutely nothing wrong with you.
Yeah they date. Both of them are virtue signaling af but I don't think they'll cancel each other.That girl actually has a thread on kiwi farms btw
She's pretty infamous for makinga bunch of wlw fat positivity hairy woman positivity buncha other stuff positivity really woke type art. Anons are constantly throwing her art on the hideous art thread
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I can see why she has a kiwi thread.
You know, that’s actually a lot of people’s concern and question and why that’s bothered a lot of people. She ironically also used to have many names, I forgot a few usernames but its all in the kiwifarms thread, she developed an anime style for the longest of time to hide her identity from her first account that was under fire and soon deleted by her.
She just mostly draw wlw and art of obese/fat women and sometimes pair them together, I think she also has a few nsfw pieces if I’m not wrong.
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Kek,she drew yaoi with more passion than all of her lesbian art combined,probably a closeted fujo
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Oh I almost forgot the best part, she doesn’t ship straight people.
Her and Jay belong together. They both use the word cishet and call each other genderfluid/boygirlfriend weird petnames too.
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Tell me to fuck off if I shouldn't ask this here, but is twenty-two too late to start learning art? I'd be satisfied just getting to iniro's level (eskbl on twitter). Don't need to be some insane painting master.
Pic related is some stuff I doodled recently.
Anon, it’s never too late to learn anything, unless someone is in the verge of death and you’re just learning how to stitch an open wound in the middle of a catastrophe, then it might be a bit too late.
If you wanna learn how to draw, go for it, have fun, it will be nice, and if you don’t like it? You can pick anything else you want to learn.
Not too late at all! I think you've got a pretty decent basic understanding of proportions and the foundations of a really cute style, especially for a beginner! If you haven't already I'd suggest looking at the links in the OP; some more in-depth knowledge of anatomy will definitely help you develop more.
Best of luck on your artist journey, nonny
I’m sorry for egging this on or being clueless, but can you elaborate?
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Yeah, that’s her.
She’s a he/him transboy who also traces and paints over references.
Two days ago she talked about wanting to support asian artists and how important AAPI, one day, posted about her ocs, posted about a tablet review, and now she posted about how she’s too ‘stressed’ in the whole situation.
In other news, ddawnies account is back just after a day or so of that post stating her deletion and of course along with Teachiko just unlocking hers, I’m just wondering whose the next person to try to run between their legs, granted a lot of them are nobodies with their only following being from twitter and low tier art, but it’s fun to see their next moves, what they’ll cry about, and wondering if they’ll delete deactivate their account.
the only think that's milky is the allegedly starting the cult. >>779666
Also the 360 was released in 2005… Of course something that is over 15 years old is going to look dingy af. this is literally non milk about your personal cow.
not just in the lesbian point of view but other people have also questioned her other portrayal of other minorities.
People on kiwi farms, including people claiming to be jewish, mention being very weirded by her drawing big star of david necklaces on characters whenever she wants to make them jewish (comparing it with the golden patches from the 40's) and also one time she drew "scar girlfriends" in her positicity stuff except it was very obvious she didn't actually even use reference so she's doing positivity larping for a thing she didn't even actually bother to research by drawing completely unrealistic representations of it.
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not milk but have you seen her NFT? fucking hilarious, some basic (decent) drawing with basic shiny_particle_effect.mp4 and royalty_free_music.mp3, I guess a desperate attempt to make it more "multimedia" lmaohttps://twitter.com/honeynabsinthe/status/1379194369115189250
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10% of sales will go to the creator!? there's also a service fee. lmfao that's such a shitty margin she could make more money selling prints or the original sketch. what a waste of time
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amazing that someone could amass almost 19k followers in a short amount of time with such a viscerally ugly, low effort tumblr sjw art style. i am truly in awe.
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Why has clone high become such a huge autism magnet?
>>779427>she probably watched Midori the Camelia Girl or whatever and liked the art. Very normal.
Kek anon if you tried to say that on Twitter you would be dogpiled for supporting literal paedophilia and snuff films!!!1!
I agree with you of course, but logic and reason can't reach these people. It's like arguing with a child.
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Nah, it's some unspecifies scars that I don't think anybody would have irl.
This is from December tho, so it's old
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Speaking about the latter, she did a representation about "non-curvy" girlfriends which had a woman with top surgery that was from her "body positive" saga months ago.
Most of her drawings, if not, that involves scars in their character design, often end up looking unrealistic; to the point where she doesn't bother using references at all. Kinda irritates me to see that, along with the not-so obvious easter eggs for bonus brownie points.
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And people think her art is “Inspiring”. Lowkey, I thought anons were over exaggerating, but looking at her insta, it’s either a fetish for her or an obsession because even people fishing for brownie points wouldn’t constantly post shit like this
"I never found Shego attractive or interesting"
wtf shit taste
First Dobson with inflation art, now babyfur Labelle, how long should it take until we get this person's secret fetish account?
My bets go towards weight gain.
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of course there's no way jay could be hemorrhaging followers because he's a whiny cunt who constantly stirs shit. it has to be because of racism!!!
thats a fake boy lmao, also is not the fist time she attacs randome """poc
""" artist for doing something she doesn't like, she was knowing for harresing ppl becase they didn't draw a character black as charcoal
I really absolutelly cannot wait for this shitstain to finally fall of for real from his high throne.
This time he was literally harrassing an artist for making Hendrix fanart to harrass her into giving of money to his friends or whatever.
This bitch thinks he's the IRS
Can't wait for kf to make a thread on him
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Kek they’re still playing out that situation as though it has been “traumatizing” and eyeopening. For a person who “loves horror” they’re really sensitive to tropes and really sickeningly misinterpreted everything
This person is just gonna quit enjoying things and go live in the woods once they realize every genre and style of media has problematic
parts. Culture IS society, of course it will reflect both the good and the bad.
It doesn’t mean bad things should be challenged and analysed, but imagine quitting being a fan of X because part of X has (to them) distafeful things? Go watch baby shows if you don’t want to ever be challenged by the media you consume. Honestly think that’s why a lot of these people obsess over kids shows exclusively.
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Posting this here because I think it's funny being posted by Jay
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Sage since it’s old shit but did anyone ever save a screenshot of the post this person talked about? Surprised it never got brought up since it’s teachiko and falsely accusing someone of pedophilia is pretty serious, but it might’ve gone unnoticed due to the Javi drama going on at the time.
Because being a woman means that you have this strong will to be a maid and if you don't feel like being a maid then you're not a woman. I wish this was a joke but people really think like this.
Also are we going to keep calling an obvious fakeboy "he"?
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This was his explanation. Still sounds fucked up idc
This fucking bitch is so retarded. I can only hope for her to get herself an abusive
boyfriend that will treat her like how she wants to be treated.
That shit explanation by itself sounds misogynistic.
“As a genderfluid person, I feel like a boy by myself, but I instantly feel like a girl when I see a hot guy, and like to objectify myself as a “hole” and domestic housewife for them”
This person really needs help- this is gross
I don't think that's how genderfluid people work, but whatever I guess. It's still misogynistic as fuck, which is so freaking hilarious coming from such an insuferable twitter dweller.
My god, the hypocrisy of these people. Who knew all you needed to excuse this stupid shit is throw a ''oh, I'm a genderfluid special bean! So it's finee!!''
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there's a new gender everybody!! sexistgender. pic related is the flag, so heckin valid
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They’re already back pedaling kek
we need to start harrassing jay to pay to the kofis of random women now, he just traumatized us with his misogynistic retoric. Very uncaring of the systemic opression we face everyday smh
C'mon Jay, pay up bestie
Lmfao you could totally use this on Twitter against them. Imagine the heart attack they would have lol>>782198
I think jays dating the person from this post >>779719
They’re both cows. They have a kiwi thread, but I wish there was a thread here because the kiwi thread is just full of people poorly attempting to “correct the ocs and art” with grade school levels of skill
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What a fucking retard I hope her followers hound her for this nonsense
I took this from kiwi farms if anybody wants
"Lets not forget about Jay sending his followers >to attack a black, lesbian, minor who was victimized by destiny (kyskeqing)>To bully and make fun of a sexual assault victim because she was ~antiblack~ (meganroseruiz)>Harass an arab/south asian artist for venting how american centric the media is (javidraws)>To making fun of a Chinese Kiwi for considering nft. (Yueko)
The list goes on, but these are incidents from january-march 2021"
I personally only know much about javi tho (and that was a group effort)
Whoever makes the thread can't forget the tumblr past of being obnoxious about blackwashing
Either way if nobody wants to make a thread for her but you also don't want to be constantly putting jay nonsense in this thread you could also send that to the art cow general thread that technically exists but isn't very active>>>/snow/963863
I suck at writing + I don't actually know all his drama so this probably looks like shit but if anybody wants to pick this up and improve it and add stuff then it's all yours
> philipino-latino non-binary genderfluid he/him "malewife" with autism and adhd> every single one of these labels used as a victim card play up their status in the woke circle> girlfriend is a body positivity artist with history of faking labels for clout> technically an artist, even tought he rarely stops his woke tirading to draw, and the only thing they draw is ms paint tier comics> will literally use any excuse to e beg and drop his koffi, will also often harrass people for not paying for his friends' kofi> constantly getting into or creating woke drama
Some of his adventures include:> being extremely obnoxious about fanartist "blackwashing" characters back when they were joulejay on tumblr >>>/ot/777985> being part of the horde against Javidraws> triying to "cancel" a french artist for drawing anime/eroguro inspired gore art because the subjects looked asian >>>/ot/777958 wich failed epically when that got track on french art twitter and frenchies were not taking their shit >>>/ot/778991> harrassing an artist for drawing stylised fanart of Hendrix. Later complains about loosing followers for "calling out anti-blackness" >>>/ot/781391> making a genderspecial comic about how they don't feel like a girl except when they see a hot guy that makes them want to become a house wife >>>/ot/781782 later including an extra panel with the phrase "I'm? hole? for men?" (wich they deleted after 16 hours when two or three of their followers called them out) >>>/ot/781970
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On the topic of Destiny, reminder that she's totally
of black and indigenous descent but magically came out white :o
I mean he defenitelly isn't brown but if you look at his eyes I think you can see the phillipino features so I think it's worthless triying to call him "not real poc
Javiera on the other hand is just sad lmao, apparently her dad literally tells her he's just tan and she's like "nu huh you are dark skinned" and then uses that for minority points. Afro native my ass lmao.
There's two of them on kiwi farms, it wasn't even really leaked they were just public instagram photos that had him tagged (he's wearng a face mask tho, so you can't even see the full face)
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How do yall feel about this?
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Fucking hate when Jay has light skin asian feature and abuse the brown/dark asian minority card
so "women in general" are holes for this bitch?
and why being """"genderfluid"""" would make it any less misogynistic? ugh
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This is going to sound fucking retarded, but there was pony supremacy going on in that show, every other race was seen as lesser, had hardly any land and resources, and needed to be “studied”. The worst racial coding was by far the Yaks, there was even an entire episode revolving around the mane six giving their Yak student to be more like a pony. It’s a show for kids with really insidious xenophobic undertones in a lot of episodes tbh