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So if anyone is wondering why the Kiki and Kota threads got taken down, here's the gist:
Kiki whines to crowdgatherer, the host of free forums that PULL was violating their TOS. They contacted the admins giving them 48 hours to take down these threads or they will delete them themselves. They deleted what they could, but the host wasn't happy. They deleted the Kiki summary page. In a flurry of what happened they moved the Kota and Kiki thread to admin only viewing. One of the admins said this on the SR Kiki thread before it was deleted. I don't have caps but here's the link to kikis rant: https://mobile.twitter.com/mmmkikikannibal/status/480925384071184385
This is her? http://youtu.be/gH-j2U5gIF8
How is she a scammer
Kiki is back on forum index on PULL, and Kooter's sub forum is still accessible via google. You had one job Kiki, take you and kawaiielfdesu's shit off PULL. She can't even do that much.
Now we can confirm that the whole ~im learningcof
Chinese, look how educated i am guise~ was for the solely purpose of looking for Taobao keywords and where the "Report video" is located.
hmm I'm not sure how it would affect the quality but there should be tutorials/programs online to convert flv's to Mp4's or w/e formats you need it to be in.
(sorry, I'm not much of a video person either)
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Kiki just faved this on Twitter, seems like she is only lurking all her sites while posting nothing since her plan didn't work.
Credit to some Anon on the PULL chat.
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bullying obese girl in crash crash.
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dakota and kiko bitching.
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one of the videos i want to post is a big one. it's 22.31MB apparently too big for this site. i keep getting:
413 Request Entity Too Large nginx
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Jfc, those videos, I can't believe I forgot just how awful they both were back in their heyday, at least now they do a better job of covering it up. So funny how far away their actual personalities are from how they're now trying to portray themselves. >>2900
How old is Dakota trying to pass herself off as again nowadays? Like 18/19? If the video is from 2008 then that means she would have supposedly been 12/13 in it. I mean we already knew they're most likely lying about their ages, but Kooter really being 20/21 and Kiki 23/24 does add up a lot more than the ages they try to give.
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This was also in the description of her vid, she removed it already tho:
Sure am tired of the death threats, posting private information, cyber stalking turning into real life stalking, and constant harassment. I've cried so much over the years from the abuse and reached out for help many times with no success due to our lacking loophole laws regarding the internet and crime, so much that all I can do now is laugh, put on a strong face and feel a bit shocked…
It's so sad and absolutely wrong that abusive people can just target however they want online and stalk, harass, taunt, and solicit violence and hate against someone because of jealousy or their own self hatred and be able to hide under their anonymous veil. There needs to be some litigation changes regarding technology and how our legal system defines these crimes and interprets them. If these actions were committed in the 3D arena, these people would be arrested immediately.
After you've been jumped in real life by people you don't know who run hate sites dedicated to you, people sending death threats, people blaming you for your own rape and posting my rape incident report when I was a minor, people posting private information on all your family members, contacting employers/clients/business partners/suppliers/boyfriends/friends, taking pictures of your home and posting it online along with your address and how many miles they are away from you, calling your home a repeated number of times, describing what you wear when they stalk you in public, hack your phone voicemail, write such obnoxious lies and solicit hate from neutral people, vandalize your home, say they're going to kill your cat and then your cat disappears - the list goes on…. the internet becomes a very unsafe, stressful place. The abuse has totally wiped away any fun the internet poses.
She didn't remove it, there's two new videos. One is the herbal vid and the other is a video of her lying about why she won't be on social media any more.
Also she's looking haggard as fuck these days.
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God damn! That forehead!
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She actually does look like she's legitimately ill in these new videos. I guess she took finding about PULL pretty hard. Is there any way a person can continue to convince themselves that it's just one obsessed stalker when there's a forum with literally thousands of members signed up?
It's stupid because I might actually be able to feel even the slightest of sympathies towards her because let's face it, nobody likes to have their projects shat all over and it seems like this Lilkitten debacle has been nothing short of an enormous catastrophe - no pun intended.
For everything she's done and continues to do though, she gets nothing from me.
Dakota did the right thing, even if it was the most half assed apology, she still did it.
What bugs me about her is that really anything "bad" Dakota ever did really pales in comparison to Kirsten, but I have not once seen this girl display even one inkling of regret or embarrassment for her past behaviours and behaviours of the present.
She's always harping on about inner light and karma and forgiveness and all that crystal vegan bullshit, does she even realise how hypocritical she sounds?
This is her karma. If she could pull her head out of her ass and just make a proper apology to the people she's hurt I am positive that 90% of this hate would vanish.
But of course she won't, because she's convinced herself that she never did anything wrong in the first place. I do not see a bright future for this girl.
Christ, that picture. Her eyes were always pretty dull (even behind the circle lenses), but now they look full-on dead. She looks like a zombie.
Whatever amount of hatred she must feel for the world is probably magnified by ten.
That's exactly it; she just looks completely dead behind the eyes.
I wonder if she even believes her own bullshit.
Kiki herself even admitted that it was always Kota who was the stronger one when it's about dealing with people and negativity (for example she wrote something on formspring how Kota was the one defending her when some guys where unpleasant to her, she only hid behind).
Kiki should finally get help. It's a horrible life she's leading and it's about time she realized how wrong and paranoid she is. As >>3924
wrote - if she made an apology majority of people would back off, simple as that. But she's way too paranoid and probably believes her own lies (I can't imagine anyone acting and lying all these years without actually believing what they're saying).
It's about time, Kiki. You've done a lot of shit, it's about time to admit it without turning everything around and lying.
She looks bad in these videos but no wonder - her "big awesome project she was working so hard on" didn't work out and all that meltdown on twitter - bet it's stressful.
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thank god she uses "~longevity health beauty~" potions, she would look like pic related without them.
and rofl at her post about people mistaking her for a middle school kid. Sure Keekz. Sure
She does herself no favours in screen caps like this.
She's always had a long face so why amplify it with long straight hair and lighting up her forehead?
Dakota has a rounder face so it works. Does Kiki have no style of her own? Is she really dominated by her younger sibling?
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Kirsten will always remain my favourite lolcow.
How many other e-celebs can claim that their very existence has influenced to the point that it brought about the end of anothers (i.e. Danny)?
This girls life from beginning to end has been a complete trainwreck, and all by her and her families own hand.
We've all heard the rumours about how cruel and punishing Cathy is on Dakota and Kirsten when they don't live up to her highest expectations, and also rumours of how Kirsten used to chastise and deride Dakota as the fat one.
Now Dakota is the pretty, successful one. She's achieved her dreams at such a young age, has managed to construct a fairly respectable modelling career within Asia and is reeling in the honto ni ¥¥¥¥¥¥, and where is Kirsten for all this? Why kek, she's stuck at home scrimping and scraping for nickels with her shitty rip off music and failed scam store.
She tried to go to Japan in the hopes of being nanpa'd by some desperate scout and whisked away into the world of modelling just like Dakota was, because ALL Japanese like totally worship whites, right!?
And where did that end up? She had a one night stand with some unknown musician whom after only one night she managed to piss off and have him promptly dump her ass and so she left in disgrace with nothing to show for it, oh wait, except for some DJ deck she claims she was given as a gift when we all know she probably bought it herself.
Picture related, the only Final Fantasy character Kirsten will ever look like.
Holy fucking shit guys I have just found something huge.
Whatever anybody here reading this does, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES POST THIS TO PULL
It is clear now that Kirsten has in fact lurked the website as far back as March 2014 which is the month the directory was created.
Basically what I have found, is an enormous unsecured directory created by Kirsten uploaded to her official website, and within this directory is hundreds of screenshots of PULL, Twitter, Youtube, Encylopedia Dramatica, downloads of users images, data on users locations, private emails, PDF's containing sensitive details and fully annotated what appears to be evidence for case files and a possible suit.
This data seems to stretch back all the way to her early scene years.
Kirsten has capped and saved fucking everything.
If anybody can possibly save all of this data and upload it to a secured server out of her reach, I would do so ASAP because when she finds this it'll be gone in seconds.
This is insane.http://kikikannibal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/
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She really does believe that it's all one persona and that they can speak in Japanese, Chinese, English, Russian etc.
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Guys, it looks as if the archive is being updated by Kiki every day.
This was only screenshotted 3 days ago.
He is no longer active on Tumblr, but either way I don't think he would keep any of this stuff to himself.
If you want to keep this up and let them keep adding to the directory, keep quiet.
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So there was a hidden shill on PULL.
Who was it?
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She is actively browsing the PULL chatbox.
Do not, DO NOT post this PULL.
Looks like it's Dakota behind these reports, though.
Either that or Kiki/Cathy claiming to be her to get everything deleted.
I recommend linking to archive.lolcow.farm instead of her site, since 1) she'll likely take it all down soon and the link will expire, and 2) she can see who is viewing what. I edited your link.
She does? I thought she only knew SR but then it got deleted.
If that's true, I'm surprised she hasn't archived everything in this thread too.
In any case, I think we should wait and see for now (or just privately link this to PULL users somehow, idk).
This is way too insane to destroy just yet.
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Anyone know her deal with this chick? There's like a bunch of nudes and caps of her saved for some reason, even though pretty much nothing in them is related to the Ostrengas from what I've seen.
Is this just one of the MySpace girls she had an e-fight with years ago?
It was inevitable it would get out. This chan isn't exactly private.
It doesn't matter since everything is archived.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Ugh, this always happens. There's always a fucking snitch and/or retard who has to ruin everything.
It does though because Kirsten was adding to the archive every day and now it will get shut down.
Not only that, but they didn't link to Kirsten's website, they linked directly to lolcow so now Kirsten will be aware of the site.
Way to go you little faggot.
This is a very interesting piece of information.
I don't know how much of it is true due to Cathy's bias, but some of you give it a read. It's a detailed account of the relationship they had with Danny Cespedes and was written whilst he was still alive.http://archive.lolcow.farm/kikikannibal/2014/07/cespedes-lawsuit-stickydrama-mr-myspace-summary-crime.pdf
idk but given that so many of the files are annotated suggests that they have in mind to use them in suit.
That being said, I read in an email from Cathy that starting a suit would cost $15,000 and that they just don't have that kind of money, so idk.
Either way this is some messed up shit.
>Danny is in stable condition at the moment. He received an additional
10k for the possession of cocaine, 5k for pot, and 10k for fleeing. Danny
was also on drugs that night. I was hoping that in the hospital someone
would have drug tested him. Shouldn’t he have also been charged with
some kind of reckless endangerment of another human when he jumped?
>What if he fell on a person?
Oh my fucking god Cathy I don't even.
Haha oh wow, Cathy must have been using it.
Danny Cespedes was a dude that Kirsten was dating.
Cathy let Danny live with them in Kirsten's room and after a while they ended up sleeping together.
Kirsten would regularly brag about the size of his dick and how good the sex was on Stickam, but then Danny suddenly dumped her for another girl.
Kirsten was apparently heartbroken, Cathy was furious and tried to file a rape charge against him. She phoned another young girl that Cathy knew hung around with Danny, and lied to her saying that Danny had raped an infant and was on the run. She tricked this girl into having Danny meet her on the promise of sex at a mall in Florida where they live.
Danny did indeed show up, but then the cops jumped him. Whilst in handcuffs, he made a break for it and tried jumping from the top of the mall into a giant trash thing. He missed and hit the pavement instead, and then died shortly after.
There are pictures of him in his coffin floating around online.
Cathy regularly uses that she " got the last guy who messed with her family killed" as a threat against her internet detractors.
If I Google for "Kiki Ostrenga" or "Cathy Ostrenga" I get the same message. Dakota is fine though.
But I don't understand how a US citizen could claim to be protected by an EU law.
Check out this email that Laura Southworth chick sent Kirsten.
She really does have schizophrenia.http://archive.lolcow.farm/kikikannibal/2014/07/laura-southworth13.pdf
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Watch out Lexipedia! They're onto you!
She also mentions Shmegeh and Felice in that e-mail.
I'm just imagining some Perfect Blue type shit where this Laura chick obsessively watches videos of and scrolls through the blogs of skinny, internet famous white girls and ends up pretending she's them so hard she actually believes it and loses pretty much all sense of self. It's almost depressing, to be honest.>I do not appreciate the usage of my child porn.
What the fuck
CATHY/KIRSTEN CONFIRMED FOR HAVING SHILL ACCOUNT PULL
RELEASE THE BEE'S
Can anybody find that users profile on PULL? Then we can find all the posts made by that user.
Holy shit what if they are found to be shit talking Kirsten and Dakota themselves through it?
The information in there is pretty sensitive, I don't think she'd want this shit getting out at any cost.
I think she's just not too internet savvy and didn't realise the directory was public.
It's the media folder for her Wordpress installation. If she protected that folder she'd break all the images etc on her entire site. So the question is why is she uploading this stuff to her site? Is she planning to do a big exposé on all her haters?
In some pictures she's using zend2.com as a web proxy. Web proxies leak your IP all over the place so they're not worth using.
But in reality, IPs don't work how 99.9% of people on here and PULL think they do so there really isn't any need for her to hide her IP unless she's breaking the law.
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Look at her fucking desktop omg D:
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Holy shit, she reminds me of that Amy's Bakery woman from Kitchen Nightmares.
I feel like a lot of this stuff might be Cathy. Who prints out stuff and takes a photo of it, apparently with an iPhone 4s?
Do we know what Kiki's current phone is? A 4s is still a good phone but also a likely hand me down to another family member.
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This sounds even more funny now with her and her mom's constant stalking of sites talking about her.
This is like Christmas in August, seriously.>>4927
I thought that after all these years and people constantly digging up her personal info, dirt and drama she would've learned to keep stuff like that on her hard drive or an USB stick instead of uploading it to the internet. Especially onto an account that's undeniably hers. A couple of years ago people used a script to bypass the password protection on her Photobucket account. Similar stuff was found on it. After it was spread all over tumblr, the account was wiped, if I remember correctly. >>4931> Is she planning to do a big exposé on all her haters?
I wouldn't put it past her, especially since she's not only been screenshotting posts but also collecting personal info about some of the posters - she's always been vindictive as hell. The whole new age-love-light-spirituality-shit is nothing but facade. If anybody needed proof, here it is.> If she protected that folder she'd break all the images etc on her entire site.
Yes and no. Depends on how one does it. It's actually a quite simple trick to prevent people from being able to look at your directories.>>4935
It seems like the more she fades into obscurity, the more her "haters" are getting to her. Back then, she actually had a following to send after anybody who "attacked" her. That buffer seems to have worn extremely thin. Now she's just another ugly new age hipster with a Youtube channel, not a scene queen with a mass following of easily influenced teenage girls anymore. She's clearly a lot further off the rails than she was before. > Some of the uploads on there are there since years
Some of the files are old but they haven't been on her webspace before last month. Wordpress creates new folders for each month's uploads, in the format of /year/month/, e.g. /2014/07/. I assume she uploaded them all after her twitter meltdown. Whether she wanted them to be found by whoever cared enough to look for them to stir up some drama or with the plan to write an exposé about her "haters" later - who knows.
This is part of what I mean about people who don't know how IPs really work. This happens on Tumblr and PULL all the time and people get accused of things with zero actual evidence.
IPs are sold in large batches to ISPs. Since most ISPs only operate in one country this means that IP geolocation is very accurate on a country level. But ISPs do sometimes trade blocks so you have to keep your geo database up to date (once a month is recommended).
(Aside: Big multinationals like Amazon or Google have their own blocks that they use however they want and so their IPs can move between countries every couple of days. Geolocation totally fails on these corporate IPs.)
Since ISPs usually operate over a whole country, geolocating to a state or city level is much harder. Most likely everyone will just appear to be coming from wherever their nearest data centre is which is usually the nearest big town.
(When I lived in Scotland, Google always thought I was in Aberdeen or Edinburgh despite being 100 miles from each.)
Residential IPs are dynamic, which means every time you connect you get a different IP. To get a static IP you usually have to have a business account and pay a tiny bit extra every month. However, many residential IPs don't actually change that often because ISPs try to reallocate the same IP to each MAC address which is sort of like your modem's serial number (but isn't actually). Even if your ISP does this you can still change your IP by changing the MAC address of your modem or just unplugging your modem for a couple of days.
(BT, and most DSL based ISPs in the UK give you a new IP every time you connect. Cable based ISPs like Virgin try to reallocate to the same MAC address. Either way, nobody can ever claim to have "found your IP" since it fluctuates all the time).
So, let's say we have an IP. How do we find out where its user is?
1) The IP has to be geolocated as soon as possible, preferably as soon as the user accesses your site.
2) The IP has to be looked up in a reliable geolocation database (which basically means one of Maxmind's paid services).
3) The geolocation database has to be up to date.
4) If we get a match to a country, it's probably 99.9% accurate.
5) If we get a match to a region/city it's probably in the right vicinity but not accurate. E.g. someone detected as being from Dallas could potentially be anywhere in northern Texas or southern Oklahoma.
6) An IP's host name is also very useful as it can reveal the ISP and data centre. For business lines it can even reveal the actual business the account is registered to. Some university host names will go so far as to reveal the dorm building which is actually pretty dangerous and highly irresponsible (I'm looking at you Aberystwyth!).
I think I've rambled long enough and I still haven't even gotten started. I just remember seeing someone on PULL saying they have Felice's IP and had located it to some tiny village which is simply impossible with UK internet connections. If you want to reliably identify someone on the internet you need to honeypot them and set a cookie or something similar.
It also makes me sad when I hear MFC models think they're safe because they've blocked their state. They need to at least block their state and all adjacent states.
I agree but we also don't know if freeforums are using a free/inaccurate or out of date database.
I'm not saying that the user is Kiki, just that in this sort of situation a host name would have been much more useful than an old IP that was geolocated under unknown conditions.
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lol, her account is in bad standing copyright wise.
I've looked over almost every image and PDF uploaded to the directory and I think I can safely assert that the reason for it's existence being that Kirsten or Cathy suddenly went mad in their desire to hunt down and discover the identity of Lain i.e. the admin of PULL.
She has word documents and screencaps and images saved of all of these unrelated peoples who may potentially have even a vague connection to PULL, even from having the term "Lain" on their Tumblr or Twitter.
There's even one girl who was evidently an an ex-scene kid who's name is Lindsay and there's a screencap of Kirsten on Facebook searching "Lindsay Florida" in the search bar.
I think she's gunning for Lain so she can attempt to sue.
IP man again.
Since I saw that Kiki used zend2.com as a proxy in some pictures I thought I'd try and demonstrate how leaky such services.
Open this link in your favourite web proxy and there's a good chance it will decloak you: http://jsbin.com/zajupame
Don't use these shitty websites.
I'm pretty sure all these files were uploaded by Cathy so that she can link to them in her "lawsuit list" document shown in this screenshot.
A lot of files are very new but some of the PDFs are from 2009.
This "Goerge Pattent" (why does he misspell his own name?) seems like a neckbeard stalker.
He's been emailing her for years going on about how when he gets rich from trading, Kiki and Dakota will never have to worry about money again.
Also notice that it doesn't seem like Kiki has ever replied to him in all that time and he still messages her.
I already found screencaps of my account on PULL despite me not having posted there in over a year.
Also on some of the PDF's with the copyright claims my own Tumblr address shows up, even though I only ever reblogged images of Kota I thought were cute.
Guys, if we keep quiet about this it means a brand new batch will be uploaded to the August directory pretty soon.
I guess it's safe to say that the reason Kirsten decided to shy away from social networking and online activity isn't for her health and safety. She's actually gone legit nuts and is dedicating all of her time in trying to hunt down Lain.
The girl is Hilary Haywire, or more recently known as MyCherryCrush.
Her and Kirsten used to be rival scenequeens back in the Myspace era.
Hilary now works as a camgirl and sex worker and she's actually become on the most successful ones out there and is raking serious $$$$$$$$.
More hilarious that Kirsten undoubtedly looks down on her for doing sex work when Hilary is bordering on being a millionaire now.
Sorry for double posting.
As some anon higher in the thread found, the Ostrengas need a whole lot of money they dont have to file the suit, perhaps Kiki was hoping her lilkitten store would rack in that cash, and since its been called out for scamming/not crediting, she obviously went psycho and is now compiling all this data. I dont know why they would store all of this on a publoc directory, especially if its for a suit. None of this makes much sense to me.
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Do you not understand what speculation is, or something Buzz killington?
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She's fucking cute af, cuter than Kiki that's for sure.
She's on Chaturbate all the time https://chaturbate.com/cherrycrush/
Anyone want to tell her about Kiki's intended suit next time she's on?
Yeah, the image links to PT related stuff so I doubt she was even bright to stop past the site and check it our, or if she did her thread probably wasn't on the front page and she didn't realise it could go multiple pages back.
I always got the feeling that Dakota was the more computer savvy of the pair. Kirsten doesn't all that bright.
Wow, they seem to really believe that PULL was born from a few users on Livejournal.
I never actually did believe that Dakota posted to /cgl/, not once, but it seems as if they're totally oblivious to 4chan and the fact that PULL rose from within it, despite the fact people have mentioned it candidly time and time and time again across multiple threads.
I think this goons only believe what they want to believe. They try to alter their perception of the past in order to suit their present.
EVERYBODY knows that PULL got started because of /cgl/, how can they not?
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They used to be friends before becoming rivals tho, Kiki did throw some shit like "Omg, she is copying me!!1!", started to harass her and probably never stopped stalking her from that point.
Pic related, Hilary and Dakota.
This whole thing is so scary. I imagine the walls of the Ostrenga house to be covered in random printouts of forums and twitter with their inane ramblings and "clues" scribbled all over them.>>5073
How can someone that's literally spent her entire life online be so clueless about internet stuff.>>5074
It's probably easier for them to believe it's just been a small number of the same people for the whole time than to acknowledge Kiki is so unlikeable that she's had large amounts and different generations of "haters" over the years.
>How can someone that's literally spent her entire life online be so clueless about internet stuff
I really think that Kirsten is just not the sharpest crayon in the box.
To me Dakota always struck me as the intelligent one, even Kirsten admitting that Dakota was always the tough one, and even in Cathy's report on the whole affair involving Danny she states that Dakota was the only one not taken in by Danny, refused to accept him and would continuously tell them that he was going to end up hurting Kirsten.
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She's Hispanic, and I imagine she spends less time in the sun now she's older, but a lot of it just the soft lighting she uses for her vids.
I doubt freeforums would give anything up either.
They're basically crazy.
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some acute yellow fever case right here guys
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Aside from her daughter's used condoms?
It's pretty clear that she is stalking pretty badly, but she wasn't really trying to put it out there publicly, so I don't know.
She could argue that PULL is stalking her as well? I guess?
Eh, I wouldn't worry about it.
Sure it's an invasion of your friends privacy, but nothing is going to happen. Kirsten is just a beat, yowling toothless cat at this point.
That's true. Everything you can find by simply googling. Ostrengas put everything public, including all information while creating Kiki Kannibal Corp - anyone who would be wondering what that corp is (and it's showing quite often because they were using it to copyright claim) and google it and try to find if it's legit can simply find all their infos they put by themselves. No one stalked them or took any informations that weren't available public.
As for commenting on everything about her - that's also public. She posts public - people are able to see and comment, people are speculating because she have big history of lying, so there are doubts about what she's doing and saying.
Sorry for double post. But I'm wondering if she'll really try to take some legal actions, because that could bring them some problems. They were the ones breaking the law by copyright claiming things that never belonged to them like text posts or someone's photos -that's copy fraud, isn't it? Plus some could argue about the fact that Scott called people on tumblr before to threat them he'll sue them for liking and reblogging. Or the fact that they were using KKC for copyright claim while the corp itself was inactive.
These would potentially bring them problems, wouldn't they?
I doubt even a scumbag like Johnnie Cochran or Robert Kardasian (if he were alive) would touch a case like this. Too risky with all the counter evidence against them.
on the document opened in the bg, she's writing details for each post. http://archive.lolcow.farm/kikikannibal/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-04-at-11.44.55-PM.png
she's planning to send the doc file to a lawyer, perhaps.
I got sent this extension to mass download everything at once. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/download-master/mcceagdollnkjlogmdckgjakjapmkdjf
I can't do it now since I'm on my work computer, but if anyone else wants to do it lemme know how it works out.
Oh shit, my prediction that they would keep uploading to the August directory was spot on.
This is amazing, they're going to keep drip feeding us dramu whilst being completely unawares.
They think they are one step ahead of us but we can see fucking everything and intercept them before they try make any moves kek
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Hot damn check this out!
Kirsten was scheduled to be on Dr. Phil at one point!>>5456
I'm sure lolcow admin will do so as soon as they see this.
What part do you mean? PULL? Folders? Something else?
I am pretty sure nothing will happen, PULL's host doesn't give a shit, no lawyer will take Cathy serious and they wouldn't have uploaded that stuff in the first place if they didn't want somebody to see it, even if it is not us.
They are filing a lawsuit.
Look at the name of the doc in the background here. http://i62.tinypic.com/5b7b14.png
>>5448>he seems to believe that this is all Cathy's doing and that Kirsten probably doesn't even know about the files being uploaded to her website.
I actually mostly get that impression too.
I think Kiki is perhaps a pussy who can't take the heat she dishes out while Cathy is some kind of overprotective momma bear.
It's pretty obvious that Cathy has been printing out and storing stuff since about 2006. It looks like more recently she has been scanning it back in to prepare this lawsuit.
While many of the screenshots are clearly taken while logged into Kiki's account, all of the screenshots of the Word document being prepared are logged in as Cathy.
So Cathy has probably asked Kiki to screenshot anything useful and Cathy will sort through it later to find the good stuff. This would explain why there are so many screenshots, some taken only seconds apart and some seemingly barely relevant.
If Kiki is/was near some kind of breakdown then Cathy has probably told her not to worry and that she will take care of everything.
I think that is Sticky himself, I messaged him and told him to come here.
Hello Mr. Drama, if you're here.
That IP belongs to softlayer.com (owned by IBM) which aren't a residential ISP and only seem to sell hosting services.
My guess is that it's a VPN server someone has setup on a server rented from Soft Layer. Ports 500 and 1723 are open which suggests a VPN.
she's doing the same with cynicalkitten. kirsten keeps screenshotting her nudes, chaturbate, instagram, tumblr etc and i think it's solely because she's a sex worker. I'm not sure if this is sounding right, but basically she, to coin their favorite term, has a personal vendetta against Adrienne because she's a sex worker??
she even went so far as to label her "Adrienne cam girl stalker" even though…kiki has found all of her online profiles and saved them to a pdf and Adrienne rarely talks about the psycho.
Honestly I kind of want to branch out to a few of the members who are being deliberately targeted in these screenshots/PDF's, but there's no safe way top do it without having somebody accidentally blab about it on PULL.
Somebody ought to message cynicalkitten in private and redirect her to this site, and warn her not to discuss this on PULL.
Cathy is fucking retarded.
Does she realise that magnitudes of people visit websites & that's how information is passed around & retained over the years?…
Websites aren't only known about by the people that make them.. therefore, making those people the ONLY people in the world who could make more websites about it.
Cathy thinks she's some pseudo lawyer. If you guys remember the infamous 'rolling stone' magazine article about kiki, it mentions cathy studying to become a lawyer until she met that deadbeat musician that helped her spawn loin fruit.
I can't believe she actually thinks this is solid information.
I feel dumb as hell for saying this, but for some reason I can't send messages on PULL? Everytime I try to it says I'm not allowed? I think account deletion would definitely be a good idea and I'll just stick to quietly lurking after having remade.
Dunno what else to do about her having all of my other info, though.
Just thought I'd let you know, absolutely do not be intimidated or worried by any of this. The Ostrengas have been doing this kind of shit for years now and it never comes to anything. Ever.
I know how scary it can be to see images of caps they've made of various personal accounts as they have done it to me in the past, but it doesn't mean shit.
They are just swinging at thin air at the moment and capping everything in an desperate attempt to locate the identity of Lain.
Also, just in case nobody stressed this to you before, keep this discovery a secret from PULL. Kirsten/Cathy is still uploading to archives regularly or so it seems and if she finds out that we know about the directories she will shut them down. The only safe place to discuss them is here :>
I only just saw this, my bad. But yeah, it's good that you know.
Honestly if I could I'd like to bring more people over from PULL, but we can't tell who'd talk and who wouldn't so it's just safer this way. So long as the mods know and the people being targeted that's good enough.
Yes, please if you could and I'll remake. I really appreciate it.
As for the other stuff, I've contemplated privating my Twitter/Insta and just not doing much with my Tumblr. Only problem is it will 1. kill my chances of becoming a GG (Gods Girl) potentially since I'm waiting to be in the next Purgatory and 2. I have a feeling she's already following me on said accounts using a fake PLUS 3. I'm afraid if I do it regardless of the former reasons, it may raise suspicion and I figure it's probably best to act like nothing has changed. Or am I being overly analytical?
This may help you out on getting rid of old accounts she has of you. https://pipl.com/
Also for anyone else who is on kiki's shit list.
Eh I wouldn't be worried.
Even if she did that like 99.9% of the internet would not give a shit unless you had some kind of major drama attached or like, super secret nudes, and seeing as you're a sex worker nudes aren't really a problem either. She ain't got shit.
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cynicalkitten here again.
I'm on my phone so I dunno if this will work properly but I installed a hit counter on my Tumblr earlier after deleting my Tumblr account and remaking with my URL connected to a side blog instead. Sure enough, it looks like she or Cathy is actively checking up on me. I don't even get why, considering I only said something about her ONCE in the middle of June. These people need to get a life.
This is hilarious, from kiki's tumblr she wrote this in 2011
"The internet RARELY creates real life success or friends. It's a video game. I can speak for ourselves when I say, we do not measure our success on internet popularity or fame."http://lostcauselobotomy.tumblr.com/post/9934744080/is-it-strange-to-see-your-sister-get-more-popularity-on
Dakota DID gain success and friends because of the internet. And now she's extremely butthurt and sick over people ruining her lilkitten plan as if it was all she had despite her "not measuring irl success from internet popularity"
lol>" If my goal was to be popular on here, I very well could do that, it’s simple, but by doing that it would take too much of my time for other things I could be putting towards my real life goals."
she's been trying so hard to be popular lately though. I guess she has fully realized that she can't gain the kind of following that she used to have during her myspace days or be as famous as dakota. It's killing her.
I really hate her videos; she talks about nothing in them but herself.
I remember when she first published her "Dating in Japan" and I was actually looking forward to it thinking it'd be relevant to my interests on how filthy pig gaikokujin are viewed romantically in Japan and it was literally just her talking for 10 minutes how everybody wanted to fuck her and were complimenting her and calling her a Final Fantasy and a sparkling Caucasian princess.
Like, what was the point. It had shit all to do with dating in Japan.
Did she even date? I know she had a one night stand but that's not really dating now is it.
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i was able to recover a screen shot of kiki's backstage.com profile.
I don't even know what she is trying to talk about in this video but her attempt at pandering to Japanese is fucking gold.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NJZ6Mvuxmg
She's one of those people where whenever they try to speak Japanese they do so in this horribly enunciated high-pitched accent because it's what they've been exposed to through stereotyping and given that Dakota seems to speak Japanese fairly fluently now she really should know better. It's embarrassing.
she fucked up with the Japanese anyway.
it's 目は心の恋である not 目は心の恋です.
It's not all that surprising considering that since the ages of 13-14 her entire identity has been "Kiki Kannibal".
She's so wrapped up in this dead and buried personality of hers that she even refuses to switch aliases, despite knowing it would bode for future projects to not be associated with the Kannibal name. I think she doesn't even know how to be Kirsten Ostrenga any more.
She's desperate no to be forgotten but it's happening all the same.
She's pretty much lost her soul. It's like she's slowly turning into a mannequin.
Funny that she begins with talking about the eyes being the window to the soul and there's literally almost no light in hers.
Doesn't look like it, if/when they find out I'm sure we'll know about it. They're not exactly known for being discreet. You'd think with them being online 24/7 and all the constant stalking + surveillance of their "haters" that they would know by now, but they really are just that dumb.
Of course they could just be plotting some kind of retribution, but being restrained enough to keep quiet instead of having a screaming meltdown would be really out of character for them.
ha no, it means window
愛 means love
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A bit older but just to show that it isn't only Cathy being crazy.
God she is so unbelievably untalented.
Also, lol at the hashtags. What the hell do #korea and #hongkong have to do with a Zelda remix? She might as well have put #chingchongchinkyeyes #rice #pleaselovemeasia.
A BIG 'FUCK YOU' TO YOU, DANILKA
THANK YOU STUPID CUNT NOW KIKI WILL FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS SITE. GO DIE.
pull mods, remove that thread please ASAP
It only had 28 views and one reply, so.. I don't think they saw.
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>>7345> dont call me a cunt, waah its not my fault
wow PULL really is full of delicate asspained SJW
because if they know that we know then they'll delete everything.
but if they don't know that we know, then they'll keep updating and we can see what and who they're lurking/stalking on.
You were linked here, did you even bother to read the thread? There were numerous reasons posted about why not to share this on PULL.
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why are you posting things without even knowing what it is? why are you retarded?
no that's Adrienne.
Cherry is another cam girl, Hilary who used to be her childhood ex-friend. idk why she's stalking her, maybe her paranoia is making her think she's Lain or something.
I believe there are a few links to lolcow kicking around on PULL, but none in the Kirsten/Dakota sections.
I don't know whether Google is indexing the site into it's search results or not.
Honestly it's an inevitability that she will find out eventually, but I'd rather try and keep the ride going for as long as is possible.
Oh wow, Danilka you shit.
Why would you go ahead and create a thread on something you've JUST been linked to without bothering to read throughout it first?
This is why I knew it'd be a bad idea to link the majority of PULL members to this stuff.
I've temporarily unindexed the archive and this thread from search engines.
I suspect they may have already found this thread though, because they stopped updating the /2014/08/ folder on August 6. It's possible they haven't deleted anything because they know everything is out there already and just want to track IPs now. Be sure to use http://archive.lolcow.farm
instead of her site when looking through the files.
It's a shame because some of the mods like espurr seem chill as fuck. I wish we could just poach them from PULL and leave that place to burn.
I can't even pinpoint where it started to all go wrong because I remember when I signed up it was actually pretty decent, and then it slowly degraded to shit.>>7480
>and just want to track IPs now
I have considered this myself but I think we all know we have fuck all to do with this little vendetta of theirs so they're welcome to my IP.
Does anybody here actually give a shit about them potentially tracking their IP? More logs for hogroast I say.
I do have a query though - are you from /cgl/?
No, check >>7347
I (admin), removed her thread when I saw it and gave her the link to lolcow so she come talk about it here instead. She found the archive herself.>>7492
she had like 3 accounts. nyankoko, nyankola, nyannyankoko…
Soft Serve Central, is she fucking SERIOUS?
I've never seen anyone go at such lengths to talk about something that they're "afraid of". Something tells me our Kira Kira Pure Swan princess is secretly a fetishist or something along those lines.
I think it's more the lengths she'll go to talk about herself. That is literally all her videos consist of.
She never discusses education or current events or important facts or tips or advice, just me, me, me, me.
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Nope, it only shows pic related.
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here's an example
(partially erased out web urls just in case)
I think she doesn't want to lose all the followers from the height of her popularity in her scene days.
She's probably afraid to make a new persona & realise just how irrelevant she is when she gets basically no new followers.
She's literally retarded her mental growth at the age of 14.
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She is trying too hard.
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She is so thirsty it's embarrassing. What is she expecting to get popular in Asia for? Being Dakota's lame, crazy sister? I can imagine some Whatever Happened to Baby Jane shit going down between them in a few years time.
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Well, it is easy for the average blonde gaijin to become a model in Japan and I guess that is what she aims for, therefore she is trying to get noticed by asians.
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She already kind of does.
Translations:>Each one needs her angel wings>You are an angel>On Mani hearts Mei down
The last one is complete gibberish, and since the first two translated perfectly in google translate (not reliable for asian languages), it's obvious she used it lol.
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kiki filed copyright claims over at vk.com, it seems…
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Asia senpai notice me plz.
Lol what happened to the inmate penpals she used to brag about? they're not kawaii anymore?
I bet all she would write is about how she's an super beautiful ~小精灵반짝 반짝 ビーガン 火星のトイレのプリンセス~ victim of oh-so-evil adult haters.
When her yellow fever is over, then she will claim how even asians used to send her harassing letters to her.
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Only part of Kiki's most recent rant.
>people are stalking me bawww
>collects 'papers' on them
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Does she even read her own Tweets before posting…
>>10802>Dont follow meeeee!!!1!>still posting her entire life online
she probably knows we know
Also, lol at "When I don't care for someone I don't look at their sites or stalk them"
So, she actually cares about her "stalkers"?
This one got me the most.
She makes out she is the god savior of the earth and is the almighty Kiki who invented stripes. Haha and now she tries to be noble and humble, right'o crack head.
Have an online persona (Kiki Kannibal - she still uses this name for such a long time, known online at least between some certain group of people), have multiple accounts where she is (or used to like on formspring and buzzfeed) writing about herself and her life, posts videos and photos of herself, used to be known scene girl and reminds people about this once in a while, had that RS article, releases music and EPs, have/had online stores and company she's promoting and using, like for example, for copyright claiming, have few k of followers, subscribers and fans. Wanted to be known for inventing those stripes and some other things she's doing online.
Seems like a public figure to me.
She's trying to appear as some poor attacked, private person with bad haters who stalks her for totally unknown reason (jealousy according to her or mental illness?)… It's pretty ironic especially since she was the one who made all information about herself public, including creating this persona and keeping it all this time.
she's often going all "ERRYBODY RECOGNIZED ME IN JAPAN!!!1! ERRYBODY HITS ON ME WHEN I GO OUT & MY SIS IS A MODEL BTW TEHEE~" then goes "b-but I'M NOT FAMOUS IM JUST A RANDOM GIRL BEING BULLYED BY PSYCHOS STOP PICKING ON MEE"
Haha, yes. Didn't she try to say they all recognized her from Myspace? As if it was even a thing there. I bet she doesn't even get recognized more than once or twice a year in the US (if that), let alone Japan. Definitely of her most stupid lies, and that's saying something.
I really do think homeschooling her has stunted her in a lot of ways. She is going to be in her 30's and still at Mama Kannibal's house, writing fanfiction about herself.
>>11089>As if it was even a thing there.
Yeah, it was not but Scene is still a thing there in some shops.http://www.cocopink-lovers.com/
They list her as famous model under EMO・SCENE系モデル but I doubt that makes the average person recognise her.
>I doubt that makes the average person recognise her.
especially when she went from this >>2974
to this >>3887
she actually tweeted this>When I dont care for someone theres no force on earth that would ever make me look at their sites, stalk them or write hate blogs for years.
idk if that confirms all that screenshot stalking was Cathy or if she's lying again.
i think they both equally participated in it. whereas Cathy caps 'slander' and 'libel' (i.e opinions and truth) Kirsten got personal and capped peoples' personal lives…their vendettas are the same but slightly different. Kirsten obviously cares about us
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totally not stalking people guise~
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I don't look at their sites, believe me plz~
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Ahh, I see.
Personally I'm surprised Kiki isn't a camgirl herself by now, because her white trash parents obviously have no problem with her being sexual (considering they let Mr Myspace live with and fuck her while she was underaged) and it would get her lots of attention, which I think is kind of the entire point, right? I mean, before Dakota got picked up as a kawaii model, what was Kiki doing? She certainly wasn't pretending to be some cute, pure princess. So why her hate for camgirls/sexworkers? Didnt most of the Myspace scene queenlets end up doing that anyway?
But that wouldn't fit to her current enlightened science student new age vegan asian-kin crystal toilet purinsesu
persona. She doesn't even talk about her fancy BDSM gear and pole dance anymore. Remember that, according to her parents, all those crass videos were distorted and edited by us adult haterzzzz evildoers.
Yeah, now. But I mean before Dakota got noticed by Japan. If that had never happened Im pretty sure Kiki would be doing overpriced cam shows
In her room at her parents house.
By the way, what made Dakota start doing the kawaii shit anyway? She used to be just as hateful and sandy as her sister and then suddenly she went from not giving a fuck about cutesy shit to all the shopping that Bravo thought was legit. Why the change?
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She just changed styles. Charms had said at /cgl/ in 2012 that she had a conversation with Dakota where she said she had a big interest in ulzzang and gyaru (more so ulzzang). when you think about it, her clothes, makeup, hair style etc. are all features she took from both styles.
relavent pic example.
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look what I found, Charms and Dakota's AIM conversation from the big /cgl/ bean spilling.
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Seems like she finally noticed where most of her male viewers are from.
Most of Dakota's newer looks have been very Tumblr, especially the creepyyeha tights.
She just adds more of a kogal/weeb tinge to it, while Kiki goes full "I'M AN ETHEREAL ANGEL FASHIONISTA! AM I DOING THIS RIGHT? #wings #kawaii #pale #fresh #white #angelic #deer #sad"
india is absolutely disgusting. i've seen blog posts from people who have gone there for vacations, thinking it will be a beautiful exotic location and adventure, only to be stunned by the fact that the ganges river is overflowing with dead bodies, even in the tourist spots. there are blogs with photo and photo from the people who had vacations there and all the bodies floating by while poor street dwellers wash their clothes and brush their teeth in the river right next to bloated corpses.
absolutely fucking disgusting
I actually do believe that she is legitimately into the whole kawaii-subculture. I do not believe that she wouldn't be with all the decorative pieces she buys for her room/wardrobe phone. Living like that when you have zero interest in the style would drive you mad after a while.
I am a sandy-ass bitch motherfucker but even I occasionally like to tie my hair in twintails with fluffy hair pom-poms, slide into a seifuku and dance around J-Pop.
It actually relaxes me.
Man Charms is such a fucking snake.
To think she still has the nerve to follow her on Twitter.
Keekz is that desperate to catch an asian rich guy that she's now lowering her standards to India lel
I want to see how she reacts to the filth floating down Ganges river
I guess it was babby Kiki's first online game
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I'm actually taken aback by how stupid you are
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what did they say?>>11361
i knew they couldn't be there for only themselves. probably there for the lulz and figuring out which style to imitate (and claim to be reviving) next
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So Kiki is turning Buddhist now?
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She's an idiot. How does she live with herself?
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I forgot to attach the image.
That's almost obvious she made that account. What was she thinking..
And that ASL thing - so what, if she ever get sick, anything, even any deadly disease she's going to refuse treatment because they were testing on animals? Because they do on everything. Including! the medicaments she used to be getting at the hospital she was going to quite often and who knows what else she was getting. But then it was fine?
Don't get me wrong, I'm also against animal testing but come on, it's not like she was never in need and never used anything tested.
Besides Ice Bucket doesn't have to be with donating for ASL, some people are donating for different cause, for example for companies helping animals, I know bunch of people who donated for other different causes.
But of course, it requires to think.
Sorry for double post. But also - if they'll get enough money they'll be able to do tests and maybe come up with solution faster. Or even come up with other way to test but they would need founds because they're probably more expensive. If they wouldn't have enough money - it would take them way longer and using more animals to test to try to find anything. Which would also mean - more deaths and suffering from sick people.
She doesn't have to donate to them, it could be for anything else. But probably like someone who wrote that before - no one even nominated her and she's bitter. Plus wants attention as always.
And where she got the statistics she gave? About that 27% actually going to ASL?
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One of the tags on her video
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Anybody else remember her chola lipliner phase?
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Why not signup yourself for that?
Spoiled white girl syndrome. No cure. :(
God I'm so happy Dakota is the famous one. I know Kiki hates Dakota inside. I'm not a huge fan of Dakota and she can be a shit publicly, but I hope Dakota stays in Japan to rub it in Kiki's aging face.
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Wtf happend this time.
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"Someone", more like yourself.
>>11717>God I'm so happy Dakota is the famous one. I know Kiki hates Dakota inside. I'm not a huge fan of Dakota and she can be a shit publicly, but I hope Dakota stays in Japan to rub it in Kiki's aging face.
Which reminds me, when Kiki visited Japan, she didn't mention anything about seeing her sister.
I mean it's kind of ooc of her not to try to ride on her sister's fame.
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Is that Dakota's bedspread?
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Too much Google Translate.
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Oh Kiki, being jobless and being online 24h is so much work, totally.
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Wow Kiki just sprouting more bullshit. She is one to talk about catty Caucasian girls considering she is one.
even by her standards this is ridiculous
Slightly in defence of Kirsten here but I am studying Japanese at university and there are SO MANY people (especially women) who do act like they own the Japanese language and absolutely despise and abhor the concept of anybody else learning Japanese because they "need" to be only gaikokujin in Japan.
They legit treat everybody else in the class as an enormous threat to their kawaii yume no Nihon adventure, and no surprise the bulk of these types of girls are also out-and-proud weeaboos - one of the main reasons I deliberately didn't divulge that I watched anime at the beginning of the year.
I feel so sorry for my tutors who you can just see are so tired of dealing with these Japanophile fetishists year after year.
Oh yeah, totally.
I actually glazed over that bit in memory of the types of people I have to cope with everyday kek
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The course itself it good, and the tutors are genuinely enthusiastic and thrilled to be teaching a subject that they clearly enjoy which of course makes the lessons very fun and always impart to me some form of knowledge after each session.
The weebs on the other hand…. well, at this point the class has already segregated itself into 2 groups of people who clearly only signed up on the course not because they actually enjoy linguistics but because they're convinced Japanese Studies is their easy ticket to idoru-dom or landing themselves a bishi husbando.
The other half of the class, who like me, are legitimately fascinated by not only the language aspect of Japanese but it's culture of arts and music, military and civilian history etc., and have a genuine desire to spread the thing that enjoy so much themselves to others.
Most of the time the weebs are off in a corner of their own gabbling in pidgin Japanese:
>"watashi-chan honto ni ga kawaii da ne!??
">Iie! Iie! Atashi wa ichiban kawaii-est fu fu fu"
>just like my Chinese cartoons!
*sounds of native Japanese tutor slapping herself from a distance"
>"MITE MITE MAKO-SENSEIIIII! Watashi wa… ano, HAVU MANGA DESU produces English copy of Death Note
They won't last long. Three have already dropped out after finding the course is super intensive on kana and kanji.
All according to keikaku.
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Somebody should give her an award for being the world's biggest hypocrite.
She appears few times for less than a second lol.
Also fucking Yoko Ono and her voice.
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All only because some random person wanted to help her with her japanese.
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She is nuts, she basicly accuses people( that don't follow her but want to help) of being the writter of hate sites.
I read the post but not the tweet.
Is the girl actually Japanese, or was she just helping Kirsten with her moonspeak? I say because lately Lauryn has gona nuts trying to learn Korean and Japanese.
Some woman that studies japanese language at an university, she seems to think the person is Hachi from PULL while being from the US, Hachi is from Europe.
Whatever, now she is back to posting relationship advice in Google Translate japanese.
Yes Kiki, I'm sure so many people want help with their lifestyle from a shut in compulsive liar.
I feel like we're watching her slowly lose her mind.
Btw, people that can speak Japanese, how coherent is she exactly?
She's using way too much kanji for her to be able to pretend that she's fluent.
Most beginners will still be using kana exclusively, stuff like typing わたし in lieu of 私, but she's blasting out some JLPT N1 tier characters. It's pretty glaringly obvious she's using a translator.
I get the impression she believes the more convoluted and complicated the characters are the more authentic she appears. I'm studying Japanese at university myself and even I can't make heads nor tails of most of her tweets because of the overuse of kanji.
This isn't a Japanese newspaper Kirsten. holy shit.
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Too late already, she even thinks she is stickydrama since he was the only one publishing her private documents.
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So basically Kirsten is jealous and fearful of every other women. I bet if it were a guy she sure would be tweeting creepy and stupid compliments to him and talking nonstop about her imaginary new lover.
I can confirm that girl isn't SweetandSour…not sure about Dion. Somehow that doesn't surprise me Kiki has screenshots of Dion's Facebook.>>12846
I would crack up if she actually did this. Maybe then people can see what a shitty person she really is.
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The girl doesn't even know wtf is going on.
She can't access my Facebook because I'm not 18 yet (not indexed in search engines. She would actually have to know me AND my full name). She has screenshot my Google+ and Klout. Now that I think about it, Klout was still somehow linked to my main twitter even though I changed my user, she would've had it then. >>12850
God, I'm so elusive. Kiki I'm right here. I've even listed my tumblr, twitter, and blogger in my sig for you!! I've been awaiting your call!
Sorry to disappoint, lad, but I'm not Lindsay. Dion is actually my middle name. You're not quite far off, I live in South Carolina. I did message the supplier though, won't lie about that.
I made an archive of her Twitter, just in case she backpedals.https://archive.today/GorLbhttps://archive.today/766bV
- with replies
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>this whole thread
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Huh? It's not like if it wasn't written on her Twitter that she "learns" cough
Google Translate cough
japanese, chinese and korean.
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Iron chains are so kawaii desu~
Chains for a raging bitch
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Why would anyone still want these from her when you can get them for few bucks at Claire's since ages.
you probably didn't sent an extensive dox of yourself along your question. so Kaka could stalk you easily just in case she decided you're the crazy-female-lesbian-hater-from-7-years-ago
of the week
I also want to know, anon. She always claim she's sooo busy working and studying!
(kek) Supposedly, their father earns good money from doing tech stuff, so she might just be bumming around the house sipping jasmine tea stalking girls without worrying about getting an actual work. IDK.
I sometimes think monstrengas are receiving some gov handouts for Kyler and they blow it in useless stuff for Kaka instead. That, and Kota doesn't send them money anymore, but that's just me and my crazy theory.
I remember during their scene phase that they were poor and evicted from their home at one point. (Heard it from encyclopedia dramatica) I'm so curious where they are getting their money from.
Does Kiki have a sugar daddy? She's the type to put herself out there and paste herself on websites, I wouldn't be surprised if she found one online.
I can try. What would you like to know?
(I've only every seen her around a few times.)
how different did she looked without all the light/shoop?
did she have makeup on?
how does she talk in public?
how was she rude to the cashier?
did she dress like a kawaii dominatrix?
her itunes music.
she once mentioned doing retail work.
in the archive there's a pdf that mentions Kiki made approximately $250 per month on her jewelry back in 2007. she actually had booming popularity back then, so now lilkitten must only be getting half of that at best.
Well her skin isn't perfect.
She looks sickly. She's thin, but not Kawaii goddess thin.
She doesn't talk like she does in her videos, she's a bit bitch when she talks.
She's one of those people where if you work some sort of customer services job you're beneath her.
Yeah she wore her Kawaii clothes. (which to each their own)>>13465
She was just really snarky to the poor woman, and talked down to her.
The other times that I've seen her she was whining to her mom on how she NEEDED something like a fucking brat.
That's all I really have. Sorry its not much.
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sorry double post, here it is.
She has a slight tan and her hair is a dark blonde color, and along with some more wrinkles around the eyes and mouth.
I guess all the stress is from fighting the internet hate machine with kiki.
Don't worry anon, thank you! No wonder she doesn't have any friends.
I don't think she's working outside home anymore, not even part time. For what I can see in several name files, her screenshotting rampages took place at normal work times (10:00 am, 12:00, 13:00 pm, 1:00 am). Idk about the USA, but here where I live regular retail employees often aren't allowed to use their cellphones at all, let alone browsing internet for personal purposes.
I love how she selectively forgets about how her lovely spiritual Asian countries
aren't very ~vegan pro animal rights~ places, especially China. But hey, she's a flaming Chinaboo, so ying yang fish, snake wine and other horrible stuff must be also haters 'n' stalkers inventions, right?
Kiki sounds just like those stupid weebs denying Japan war crimes.
Dakota is looking legit qt these days. Kirsten on the other hand looks like a yamanba, and I don't mean the fashion either.
Every time someone says Kota is cute, it makes me think of the syndrome/effect where someone looks good in photos you see and since you're so used to looking at edited versions of them, it distorts your reality on what they actually look like.
That's pretty much why I don't think Kota looks nearly as good as what people say. I knew what she looked like in her scene phase and as a normally dressed teen so her photo shopped pictures never convinced me. She created this illusion everyone is buying. I feel like she is an example of how in the later years, we don't need to pay attractive models with amazing facial structures and physique, just average people with photoshopped bigger eyes, smaller faces, and slimmer body.
No. Kota doesn't look good in photoshopped photos. She looks like a disfigured troll. I'm talking about her candid shots. As much as she photoshops, I thought she was a complete troll, but she's a cute kid. She's like 20 right?
And another thing I'm always confused about people who talk about her looking "average." Dakota is not a high fashion model. She will not ever be a high fashioned model. She doesn't have that degree of beauty. Sure she's no Gemma Ward, but I don't see Dakota doing high profile work like super models. Dakota does a lot of teen magazine stuff and basic catalog shots.
She's part of Tsbusa's (sic) candy doll ads, but that crap is basic drugstore make up that looks like it's as quality as Lip Smuckers in the US. It's not surprising she can do catalog stuff with a modest youtube following. I've seen plenty of soccer mom's types in many clothing catalogs so I'm zero percent surprised she can do decent in Japan with an established internet image.
Also remember, Japanese standards are not American. Many Japanese would find the high cheekbone, Angelina Jolie-types to be harsh and unattractive unless they have a wider world view. Cute and simple make it in Japan and non Photoshop Dakota is fairly okay looking. Plain and natural have a better standing in Japan fashion industry.
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I found this pic while googling comparison images to what she looks like unedited. It's also a fair picture since it's not like a bad angle of her, its actually her.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect yours anon, I just think she is very subpar in looking like an ethereal angel (which is her brand) in comparison to regular models. The fact that she's a gaijin in Japan who tries to look kawaii is her main selling point. I believe any other modelling opportunity to bring her career up is just a chain reaction from fashion editors who are bamboozled by her photos. They don't realize they need a sweatshop of chinese workers editing all of Kota's photos til their eyes go blind from staring at the screen too much and their hand falls off from severe carpal tunnel.
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They photo shopped her asymmetrically and now her left jaw is bigger than her right jaw
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I saw this show with Dakota. In good lighting she can look cute. You may think average, plain or whatever, but it's not most people would think she was ugly. She can look a bit pug like in bad lighting and smiling (which is why I think she has constant bitch face.) She's still a believable catalog model.
Some of her photoshopped images are fucking awful, while other enhance her features without looking ridiculous.
Even without the photoshop, she does have a very symmetrical face and small features.
I don't think she is the most beautiful girl ever, no, but her face is aesthetically pleasing.
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Of course she's decent looking, then she wouldn't be a model to begin with. It's the fact that she got her work to begin with because the fashion editors thought she looked like this.
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She should just get jaw surgery if they're going to keep photo shopping her face.
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They photoshopped her face weird too. It looks like a man you put eyelashes and hearts on through those purikura japanese editor apps.
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My two favorite gay men.
Looking at that picture on the right…
Does anyone know if that video of her on that korean makeup/talk show is still floating around? I have no luck finding it.
It make sense. Unless I missed something,I don't recall anything recent related to Dakota?
There were only some pics from the myspace forums with her name on it and vague claims of people harrasing
Dakota's employers , but nothing else.
99% archive was about Kiki. I mean, if my two daughers were being abused
online as Cathy claims, why only she just focus in only one?
BTW, when was the last time Kota went back to America?
>>13593>>PULL when Dakota posts something new
"omg! she looks so cute! that looks so good on her, I wish she'd smile more! ah I'm glad she's happy, SLAY Koti, SLAY"
>>PULL when Kiki posts something new
"look what that pasty hook-nose, has-been posted now. She's so delusional! Why does she even try? her 15 minutes are up. She's making up compliments about herself again, like anyone would ever say something like that to her, lol, she's losing it!"
anon from >>13593
IDK why you quoted me, for "anything recent related to Dakota" I meant no screencaps about her on the latest lawsuit archives.
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So weed is her medicine and she writes about in japanese, doesn't she know how hard Japan's laws are regarding it?
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The instagram pic is a convo with some old japanese dude btw.
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I never thought Dakota could potentially have high fashion potential until I saw her shoot from Vogue Japan.
Obviously she's never going to do catwalk, but I was very impressed with this shot. She's wearing normal makeup and you can tell that they haven't really retouched her features and I think she looks just like Lara Stone in it.
She should become friends with Jrcach
Lolcow would explode
Oh the irony. She once called a girl on IG "Wake & Bake Queen" Let me se if I still can find the screencaps.>>13628
I actually expected she'd land more high fashion gigs after that.
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>So many gifts from fans!
>I dress like a bride everyday!
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>don't use Google Translate>uses Google Translate
You only get that bold question mark in that font when you copy and paste from Google Translate kek
Well, this thread isn't about PULL either, but that didn't stop you. My shitty posts aren't derailing the thread any more than your shitty posts. Plus this board is slow as hell, no one cares.>>13672
Haha "flower infused gifts?" what?
These tweets are actually pretty depressing, I'm imagining her sat alone at a birthday table with a manic look on her face muttering to herself "I'm so glad you could all make it!", "More organic vegan jasmine tea, Sakura-san?", "What's that? I'm far more kawaii and talented than my stupid lame sister? Oh you!"
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different anon here, according to Lain PULL gets an average of 10,000 unique visitors per day
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She really seems to fall quickly for that old japanese dude.
Shall I bring some popcorn for the "disgusting men all are pigs!!!"
shitstorm to come?
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she is actually asymmetrical in real life. Her eye sockets are incredibly lopsided/uneven. You can see this best in those photos she did for that one fashion store when she first started out.
Her jaw is also slightly asymmetrical, and this is a big reason why she always tilts her head at the same angles.
photo highly related (the one on the far right)
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I am pretty sure she has zero friends, one day after her bday and instead of throwing a party she is busy spamming her results of stupid personality tests.
she later might change her handle to froridajin
I doubt it; Kirsten doesn't like to acknowledge that she's American remember? It isn't unique and snowflakey enough for her.
No, she 1/5th Irish, 1/5th Swedish, 1/5th blah blah blah whatever it was she pulled out of her ass.
Ah you're right anon, I completely forgot that.
Wasn't kirsten into tarot, auras,astrology and all that stuff? I wonder why she hasn't unearthed some imaginary long lost royal ancient asian past life yet hah.
lol it's actually 11
French, Irish, Polish, English, Welsh, Scottish, Dutch, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian.
I'm 1/4th Scottish and the rest English but I don't go around telling people that shit. I was born on the British Isles therefore I am British. Kirsten was born in American therefore she is American. Why can't she accept this? Fucking German, Danish, Irish etc. my ass.
Lmao I remember Kootie did the same thing. "I'm 1/4 Swedish, 1/8 British, 1/2 English, 1/5 Irish, 1/4 Welsh, 1/6 French, and 1/3 European."
They're so stupid… Typical dumb American sisters.
I do that when people ask, but it's because I'm my family's genealogist. Like, I've spent years reading through books of old deeds and vital records, tracking down wills, translating and transcribing original documents, etc. Guess that's what happens in a relatively new country made up mostly of immigrants.
It seems so out of place in this screenshot, though. (europian?? lol) She seems like the kind of girl who would swear that her g-g-g-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.
Like, I'm British, half English, half Scottish and if I had an American try to tell me that they were English or whatever I would lose my shit in front of them.
Like no, your heritage might be English but you are American. You were born in America.
although I agree with the rest of your point, Irish can be both an ethnicity and nationality.
Nationality is the country you're a citizen of, ethnicity is where you ancestors came from, national origin is the country you were born in.
So much this. I'm an Amerimutt and I don't list out everything I'm mixed with unless they specifically ask since I imagine it's embarrassing. I just say the 3 main races when someone specifically
inquires. It annoys the fuck out of me when one of my fellow countrymen goes on about how they're Irish, French, and whatnot. No, you are American. You were born in America as were your parents. Stop going on about this Italian bullshit.
Shut the fuck up Irish is not an ethnicity. Everyone in Europe, is the same mutt mix because we've been invading each other for thousands upon thousands of years. The British Isles and Ireland in particular because we were invaded by pretty much every single power in Europe. There is probably not a single person who can actually trace their heritage back without finding that their ancestors not from their country of origin in the UK.
Why you would say Irish in particular is an ethnicity whilst the rest of Europe isn't, despite there being much more genetically isolated populations is beyond me.
uh.. I only said Irish because you were talking about Irish. I never said the rest of Europe wasn't lmao, what even? If Irish isn't an ethnicity, then I'd like to know what the hell you call one then? Do ethnicities even exist?
I said I agreed with you that it's stupid to list 11 countries when your only connection to them is your 16x great grandmother's birthplace. But don't say ignorant bs like "Irish isn't an ethnicity" or "everyone in Europe is the same mutt mix"
We don't say Irish is an ethnicity because genetically they are but people who originate from the British Isles (or at least I mean our ancestors invaded from another part of Europe and bummed around here fucking and building shit).
We are not ethnically English.
We are not ethnically Scottish.
We are not ethnically Welsh.
We are ethnically British.
It's like a Japanese person trying to argue that they are ethnically Honshu, when Honshu is just a landmass within Japan. Of course they are still Japanese.
I'm formally studying Japanese and I did not know this.
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New Twitter with her supposedly speaking Korean. Also blurry ass instagram picture. Can anyone confirm it's legit Korean or she is just using Google translator. Also I feel like something is off with the new picture…or is it just me?
Can be because of her huge forehead and the fact that she edited her face smaller? It looks like she shaved big portion of it, especially compared to her other photos, where she have smaller eyes, longer face and bigger jaw and chin.
She's basically trying to copy that alien look.
looks like keeks went mental using the line app face editor jfc she looks so awkward in this
i cannot stand the whole white girl pretending to be a supah kawaii desu animu character it's just so WEIRD i don't get the appeal…
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lol, stay thirsty kirsten.
apparently she's "learning" three (asian ofc) languages at once, which is stupid as fuck because she's obviously just going to end up not be able to speak any of them remotely well. this whole "speak all the azn ching chong languages!!!1" does nothing but make her look stupid and desperate.
it's kind of sad how many of her followers are actually buying her ethereal moonspeak goddess act.
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Yeah, because you totally leave the house so often or at all.
It is not against the law to stop for animals. It things like having that are the reason for why the drive behind you legally has to leave a breaking distance between your cars for if you have to suddenly stop, say in the case that an animal is in the road.
You're telling me if a deer is in the road you're supposed to drive on through it?
Sorry, I just assumed the laws in the US were the same as they are here. Basically you're at fault if you make an emergency stop if it's not actually an emergency. Unless hitting the animal is going to kill you then it's not considered an emergency.
>You're telling me if a deer is in the road you're supposed to drive on through it?
If slamming on your breaks or swerving to avoid it are the only other options, then yes. Killing an animal is better than endangering the lives of other people.
You do realize how big some deer are right?
You do realize that people have died hittig deer?
Well, yeah, like I said it's a case by case thing. If it looks like hitting the deer (Or whatever animal) is going to kill you then you take evasive action. Otherwise you just drive on through.>>14974
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So azn desu.
I wonder if that really is a sweet red bean paste with chestnuts and if she really enjoys that type of food.
I say this because a lot of "Asian" food Americans know have been Americanized to cater to our taste buds. True Asian food are much different than what we know. They use different parts of animals and different plants. A lot of times (and I am not saying all the time) unless it is cuisine you have grown up with, not many Americans are use to true Asian Cuisine. It also varies with location as well, I am sorry if I offend by lumping all Asian countries together.
I wonder if Kiki actually eats sweet red bean paste with chestnuts or Daikon radishes, or Taro root or she just puts up a from to seem desu kawaii!
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iirc, that's Dina Leopard, one of whatever the chinese equivalent of an ulzzang is. Anyway, she's terrifying.
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An other honorable mention in the contest of who can be the kawaii-est asian photoshop queen is Wang Jia Yun.
One day Kirsten may decide to try to join their ranks.
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Fuck, so I Googled her expecting to find a picture of her without makeup and shoop looking like a totally normal Asian chick and this is a real picture so supposedly she has had quite a bit of surgery and a massive fuck off chin implant, but the rest she just enhances with makeup + editing.
So glad to be called out on something that has already been leaked. It's not like it hasn't already happened. Jesus chill the fuck out.
Oh right, and I'm the stupid one…right. It was a small mistake but it's the damage was done two months ago. The admins already backed up the archive so we would still have the information if Kiki deleted the information. But if you want to make an mole hill and keep insulting me with bad grammar go right ahead.
No. Actually, I typed it exactly how it was intended. As in, the stupid you own. As in YOUR stupid actions. As in, YOUR shitposts. If you can't make sense of that, no wonder you are so damn thick that you see nothing wrong with your shitposting.
Please go back to PULL. I promise you won't be missed.
diff person just throwing my two cents in here but idk why this needs to turn into an argument lol…..
you're in the wrong
it's pretty obvs that people DON'T want keeks seeing this thread or else it WOULD be on PULL for everyone else to see
in fact this would just be on PULL
just admit the mistake was made and move on jfc
can we make a thread about lauryn?
she is the lulziest member of pull perhaps excepting OC.
i used to observe her tumblr but she jumps bandwagons every couple of months and changes her url along with.
She isn't a member of PULL anymore since ages tho, she even asked Espurr to delete her shit but she refused.>>15284
She is invading the Tumblr "kawaii" tags lately but she changes her URL like how others change their underwear.
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Lauryn Lawler is an obsessed psycho who thinks snowflakes like Kiki, Dakota and Mila Mortice are celebrities, and she would do anything to talk to them. Her favorite tactic is throwing anyone under a bus to make herself look favorable to whoever she's ass-licking at that particular moment. She was a member of PULL on and off and has serious bipolar disorder where one day she's all TEAM PULL insulting snowflakes and making fun of them. But the second she sees a chance to kiss up to a snowflake, she's all "they bullied me too, let's be friends!".
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I'm surprised. She looks pretty good now that she's not trying to be a Dakota clone
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Kiki stfu please.
smoking magical chinese herbs
>>15580>>It's incredibly obvious she only preaches it to silence the "haters,"
Exactly, she gives these "advice" rants where she talks as if she's speaking to a group of horribly victimized young girls going through severe cyberbullying. None of her followers seem to gain anything from this because that's not what they follow her for. Which means the only motive for the rants is for the haters to read it and feel bad or whatever.
Either way, she uses the word "hate" extremely loosely, and I think on purpose to exaggerate.
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The shit she does on the pole doesn't even need any skills and lol @ calling her hater stalking room "my office" like if it was her job.
Hah, I would love it she secretly had a huge soft spot for disabled people, à la Sue Sylvester. Doesn't the elusive third Ostrenga sibling have autism or something? Or have I remembered that completely wrong?>>15693
I love how defensive she's being before anyone even mentioned the pole.
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Seems like that japanese dude dumped her, she started a shitstorm on her Twitter as expected.
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Kiki, you aren't a minor anymore…
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Seems like she did nudes for him.
Technically 2 but that isn't a lot by far. The only problem I see is how quick
she is to have sex with someone.
>>15425>☮☯✿❤❤may my words create love may they be beautiful and lovely✿✿❤✿✿✿☮☯>>15795>PUT YOUR DICK IN A PRESS — I WISH WE COULD CHOP THEIR DICKSSSSSSS OFF
SUCH BEAUTIFUL AND LOVELY WORDS KEEKZ!!!
500 says her powered by solar plexus video turns out to be about how everybody's raping her.
She's probably mad because guys find young-looking girls attractive and she's aged too much to have that appeal anymore.>>15821>>15826
sorry I really didn't know you could do that with vids :\
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>"putting off some work"
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Expect a 1 hour long video where she rants about guys.
i can't even with her anymore
kiki, you sound like the biggest pile of useless self absorbed trash. no one thinks you're important anymore, please stop.
also gonna bet some guy said she looked like a grandma (with all of that kira kira angeliku lace she and washed out colors she wears) and that's why she's ranting about young girls
lol stay mad keeks
On top of that, she comes off clingy and desperate. Not too long ago she hooked up with a guy, wrote "I love Kiki" on him when he was sleeping, and posted a picture of it. When he got upset with her about it, she just acted like he was being irrational.
I don't think being easy is really the problem, I feel like Kiki just instantly clings onto any attractive guy who gives her attention and assumes they're in love/in a relationship. And I can kinda get why, imagine how much time she just spends alone on her computer. She has no friends and she doesn't even have Dakota to hang out with anymore.
Wasn't that guy a sort of famous singer (?) in Japan? She'll probably ruin his reputation.>>15990
No, anon. Don't you realise how busy Kiki is with her ~work~ and ~spirituality~?
I feel kinda bad for her to lose her only friend, if only she wasn't such a pile of shit.
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Not a famous singer but quite known within the underground rock scene, it's not like if he wasn't known for running around with scene sluts anyways.
I was just thinking the same thing but I think it's the camera angle- she has her head turned down slightly while looking up at a camera placed somewhat above her to make her look smaller.
kind of ironic that she's talking about sexual assault and young girls while still trying to do the whole fetishy young girl thing
she needs to get a life
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Jesus fucking christ, Kiki. What happened? She looks so old.
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Kiki does whatever she wants, she even made a whole website slandering him and his family when the case started again.
make people wonder if Kiki was raped**
I can't even English
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I think it's mostly her lifestyle taking its toll on her and the harsh lighting that's make her look older. She looks a billion times better in this screencap I took/at 6:10.
Also agree with this. I can believe her in some things, she seemed really genuine and honest. I feel sorry for her.
Their behavior besides this is a completely different story.
Also her make up looks like a mess in this video. It's a bit weird since it's always very well put on, maybe it's because she put less effort in it because the topic was stressful?
But it could be something different, totally not related, just thinking. I tend to put way too much thought into details.
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She is busy retweeting the pityparty comments, that's all.
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As friendly reminder.
>>16240>He also promised her and they shook hands on
this that he would not have sex with her until she was at least 16
hm? it contradicts >>16228
where they admit keekz was lying about her age
Jesus Christ….the whole situation is a mess. But it's funny Kristen used the same exact sentences in her video that Kathy used in her email.
"Danny spent time grooming not only Kirsten, but her autistic brother Kyler, her sister Dakota, me and my husband, Scott."
Interesting they use the same exact wording in two difference times…maybe like it was rehearsed.
Also if Danny was pressuring Kiki to have unprotected sex why carry a condom around with him? In the police report it saids Danny pulled out a condom and masterbated in it…doesn't make any sense.>>16244
Has a point. The sentence contradicts what the police report saids on Kristen's age. Besides wasn't it said Kiki lied about her age?
All of this seems kinda fishy.
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So throwing pityparties for her are smart, huh?
I also think so.
I've never seen anyone lying for so long, so much without actually believing what they're saying.
I think it could be that her parents were and are always repeating the same all the time to convince themselves and Kiki that they're always the only victims to the point that Kiki already believed and in her head it's true. And that's why she's using the same sentences as Cathy - hearing something endlessly makes you just remember that. I can imagine Cathy sitting down with her endlessly repeating like in mantras that it's only other people who are at fault.
And I agree with your first sentence 100% - I'll never be able to take her completely seriously until she'll own up and apologize.
not saying she's not a total narcissist.
it's just a slightly different form of ego trip. when she was fourteen or whatever and a ~scene queen~ she had hordes of hot-topic sceneyweenies constantly giving her attention and worship. her ego was based on her fans, and the idea that she could sic 'em on whoever offended her. now that she's lost dat mass appeal, her ego has to be based on the idea that her intellect and beauty are far above and beyond that of plebian comprehension.
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Now she goes attentionwhoring with rape stories, great, not.
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She is spewing so much bullshit.
Just what we need, her ego getting large from the attention.>>16358
Of course she is getting pissy people are throwing logic her way.>>16362
That is total bullshit…she is taking this way too far.
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I am amazed how she can believe her own BS, it's not like if her myspace profile with the faked age wouldn't be in archive.org.
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Even with bad waist shoop.
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Not to mention that she did look like everything but a 13yo.
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sorry, clicked post without uloading the pic. look at this in full size and look at the myspace PM of the blonde girl.
Wow, I guess this clinches that it really was her then.>>16387
Wow you have horrible taste.
She looks like malnourished club trash.
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shit. it's all coming together. I always had doubt it was really them because this fucked up beyond all reason.
>>KFC receives an ask from Orlando under a tumblr account with Danny's picture as the avatar.
>>Same web host as Kirsten and Dakotas' websites. With paid extra for GoDaddy to block their info from whois tracking.
>>Pictures of Daniel, pictures of his brother and sister, mugshots of his aunt and father.
>>a list of names of all the underage girls Daniel had sex with, which I highly doubt was made public, but can be found in Cathy's pdf letter to lawyer.
>>Kiki's written humor of misspellings like "kept hur at my sissa house for tree wks", can frequently be found using it on her instagram, twitter and youtube.
>>Pic related. A printed screenshot of a myspace private message between "Nick" (Cathy) and a blonde girl who replied "he fingered me", also cited on the pdf to lawyer. Similar screenshot prints with encircled areas can found on their archive *NOTE: I once read that Cathy made a fake profile of a boy in order to message a girl on myspace to get info on Daniel, I guess that's the one.
>>the website also lead to a youtube devoted to uploading pictures of Daniel trying on Kiki's clothes with titles like "faggot in girl clothes"
I found this. I don't know how biased or truthful it is, but it contains the part where it says Cathy contacted the blonde girl who in the screenshot appears to in fact be "Malice Millionaire" pretending to be a boy, so there is at least some confirmed truth to it.
"Mid-way through Kirsten's scene queen "career" she encountered Daniel De Jesus Cespedes, also known as Mr. Myspace.
Daniel is something of a big name on the Myspace scene and although Kirsten and Danny already seem to have something of an attraction towards each other, Cathy and Scott encouraged their relationship heavily in the beginning, believing that Kirsten would garner more fame and celebrity were she to hook up with another "big name".
In the beginning Kirsten and Cathy lied to Daniel about her age, alleging herself to be 2 years older than she really was and thus above the legal age of consent. It is unknown at what point in the relationship that Kirstens real age was revealed. It's thought that she did this in order to seem more mature and appealing to Daniel.
Daniels grandmother, with whom Danny was living with, heavily disapproved of the relationship from the beginning as she seemed to instinctively know that Kirsten and her entire family were bad news. It was also Kirsten and Cathy's idea to bleach his hair and then dye racoon stripe for which his grandmother was very upset about.
Daniel and Kirsten were spending a lot of time together, and for a period Daniel even moved in with Ostrengas. Cathy and Scott allowed Daniel to sleep in Kirstens room. It was common knowledge by that point that they were sleeping together, evidenced by Kirsten regularly bragging about the size of his penis and how good he was in bed on Stickam.
Some way down the line Daniel seemed to be becoming distanced from Kirsten, put off by her childish and immature antics and overall bitchiness. Before he died he had complained to friends about Kirsten and her families desperation for fame and their ugly attitude towards other people, something he was unaware of in the beginning relationship.
Daniel breaks up with Kirsten.
Kirsten is distraught, Cathy is furious and somewhere around this time it is said that Daniel began seeing other girls, some of which may or may not have been underage. This has never actually been confirmed.
Cathy, enraged over the spurn of her daughter, decides to take revenge and files a report against Daniel for rape charges. After this she begins spreading gossip around the area that Daniel is a Paedophile and that he lied to Kirsten saying that he was younger than what he was and that he is in fact a rapist. This is heavily in dispute because on Daniels Myspace page his real age had always been published for the world for see, something Kirsten and Cathy would have definitely seen for themselves.
Upon hearing that there is a warrant for his arrest, Daniel lies low for a while in order to avoid the police and evade arrest.
Cathy, in another malicious move, contacts a young female she knows to be a friend of Daniel (Malice Millionaire, another girl who was involved in the scene movement) and convinces her to set Daniel up, convincing the girl that Daniel had raped a baby/toddler.
Malice Millionaire contacts Daniel and arranges to have him meet her at the Aventura Mall, Florida, promising him sex.
Danny arrives and a short while later the police appear and handcuff him.
Daniel is found to have a wrap of cocaine on his person.
What happens next is in dispute, but apparently whilst an officer was dealing with papers a gust of wind blew them from his hands and Daniel saw his chance and took it.
He ran to the rooftop of the mall and seeing a skip/dumpster below him, attempted to jump and land into it.
He misses and hits the concrete instead.
Daniel spends the next 3 months in coma being kept alive by breathing apparatus and a feeding tube before being legally pronounced brain dead. He is buried later that week.
Daniels grandmother files charges against the Ostrengas and the state.
The Ostrengas shortly after declare themselves legally bankrupt and the case is put on hold for a number of years."
Here's another, I think this one is more credible.
"I joined this forum because I'm tired of seeing so many lies floating around the internet about Daniel, and the fact that Kiki has successfully ruined him image and made him look like a rapist… that is far from the truth. I am a friend of the family, my mother worked with Lourdes (Daniel's mom) for many years, I met Daniel many times and will tell the side of the story as I know it, i'll try to be brief:
Daniel met Kiki in person after they met online, (Cathy actually took Kiki to the meeting place) after meeting Kiki he quickly became obsessed with her, his mom began to worry because he started to copy her weird style (the racoon hair, makeup, clothes), his mom being an old fashioned Cuban mother was alarmed and often spoke to my mother about this so called Kiki that seemed to be a bad influence on Daniel. I saw Daniel after he had already began a relationship with Kiki, he had changed so much I could barely recognize him, he was very quiet, and seemed very angry and was even very rude to us when he had always been a very polite and sweet guy. As the relationship progressed Daniel's mother opposed even more, and even threatened to kick Daniel out of the house if he did not stop seeing Kiki, Daniel did not listen and began sleeping over the Ostrenga house, one day my mother told me Daniel had developed a horrible rash all over his skin, it was contagious and he had gotten it from sleeping in Kiki's bed, Daniel's mom was desperate and begged Daniel to stop seeing Kiki but he continued to see her and became more and more defiant towards his mom, the rash got worse and one day Lourdes went to the Ostrenga house to speak with Kiki's parents. To her surprise her parents treated her as if she was the enemy and told Lourdes she should let her son be happy and to let Daniel be with Kiki because they were young and in love, Cathy confessed that she was the one that did Daniel's hair into the hideous hairstyles and told Lourdes that Daniel could stay at their house for as long as he wanted. Lourdes thought that the only thing she could do was move away, so she started to plan to move out of the state, while she planned for the move Daniel and Kiki had a fallout (dont know why) but Daniel was kicked out of the Ostrengas house, this is when Daniel got the Kiki tattoo, Daniel returned to live with his mother and sister but Kiki began to call him and show up at his house all the time, Lourdes told her to please stay away but she kept looking for Daniel and Daniel eventually gave in and started to see Kiki, this time behind her parents back (since he was kicked out of the house her parents did not want him and kiki together anymore, i dont know the reasons for this), they would meet up at the mall, she would skip school to see him, she would sneak out at night, eventually her parents got fed up and threatened Daniel with statutory rape if he did not stop seeing Kiki, Kiki had initially lied about her age, although Daniel did find out her age soon after meeting and WAS aware that she was a minor, they were both consenting and even had Cathy's support! She even gave him condoms and bought Kiki birth control, she was very aware that they were sexually active and did not mind. Since Daniel and Kiki kept seeing each other Cathy went through with the sexual abuse suit and a restraining order was issued against Daniel (he couldnt see Kiki anymore) and this is when Lourdes and Daniel moved to North Carolina, Lourdes knew that the only way to stop the madness was to move far, far away. Soon after moving to NC, Daniel came down to Miami and was going to meet up with some girls at the mall. Daniel smoked weed, but was never known to do cocaine or any other drug.. Daniel's sister said that Daniel had bought the cocaine for a girl he planned to have sex with, the same girl he was supposed to meet at the mall. It is still unknown how the Ostrengas found out that Daniel was at the mall, but Kiki showed up with intentions of calling the cops and having Daniel arrested (since she knew he could not be in the same place as her due to the restraining order), Kiki found Daniel at the mall and she called the cops, the cops handcuffed Daniel and found the cocaine in his pocket, Daniel had a chance to run so he ran way from the cops and in his attempt to scape stumbled over the ledge and fell off the 3 story building, Daniel did not die instantly, he lingered for two weeks at the hospital but eventually died from his injuries. I cannot say that everything I wrote is 100% true but it is what I know from his Mother's perspective and to the best of my personal experiences with Daniel. Lourdes is a good woman, she is so soft spoken and kind, she has never been the same since Daniel died… It breaks my heart that the internet has contributed to tainting the image of a sweet young man that made bad decisions.. Daniel had no intention of ever raping or harming Kiki, he was so in love with her He would only speak about her and about how awesome and cool she was. It makes me sick to my stomach that the Ostrengas orchestrated Daniels murder…
I found this image of a quote by Cathy…it truly sickens me to know she is such a heartless woman, she played a pivotal role in Daniel's death… and BRAGS about it
The quote says: "All the times we've turned around and fought. Put it this way: one of the guys is actually dead. So i suggest you leave my family alone - Cathy Ostrenga"
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>you don't like what I like>YOU MUST BE FAT
kek no, it's more to do with the fact that the girl has like 0% muscle definition so she just looks skinnyfat and flabby. Das shits gross.
This sounds too detailed to be all a lie.
That and it concurs directly with the story in >>16451
, aside from the time it took for Daniel to be pronounced legally dead.
fuck my tablet for being an android.
Stickam actually. I've been trying to look for 2 other statements that sided with Daniel not being the incestious pedophile demon rapist she's painting him to be, but can't find them.
To my knowledge one of them was a statement of one of the girls involved who said Cathy had tricked her into luring Daniel to the mall with the lie that he raped a small child, and that the girl had cried a lot ever since his death because she felt responsible. I thought it might have been Malice Millionaire but I can't find anything on her, so I guess not.
The second was from somebody that was talking about how she bragged about his dick and the sex they had on stickam, but stopped after people began calling her a slut.
found another tid-bit.
"Kiki claims to be the Scene Queen of Myspace. She says that she is 14, but sometimes 15. Some say shes even 17 pretending to be 14 to be popular. But how can she be 14 if Dakota is 14? They are sisters, after all. They're both pathetic fakes. No one knows if she is a fake and Matthew star [Kiki's ex best friend] claims that her parents run her myspace and she is not allowed to go on it, because they use her and Dakota to promote their tacky jewelry business."
This is on Kikis boyfriend's Myspace,no it wasnt a fake. Here's proof:
"Whenever we went anywhere she had to turn it into a fucking photoshoot,
where she was the only one with a camera, so other people couldn't take
photos of her she couldn't get her hands on and photo-edit before they got
on the internet.
She would bitch at anyone who put her photo on the internet without her
permission. All her photos has to be posed and edited. She would get pissed
off if anyone took a picture with their camera and start saying "don't put
that online". Yes, I made a mistake, but Kiki's made many more and told many
more lies in her journals that I know the truth behind. I agree with most of
the horrible shit she posted about me, but despite all this horrible stuff
she still writes journals saying she considers taking me back. She bitched
about everyone, she's only scared of losing me because she knows I was her
only true friend, the only one she didn't bitch about (but maybe she did,
who knows), and now she's turned everything around on Eric. She has to
pretend she's hard but all she cared about was her Myspace, when she was
around real people she suddenly wasn't so big anymore. Her whole family are
obsessed with the internet. I am a Myspace whore but I got where I am
because I enjoy it and I like people, not because my whole family are
promoting me or because I have nowhere else to go with my life. The only
people she knew were people she met through me. Now she's scared because she
knows she has lost them all. They think that they can take Kiki out of
education and she can make a living on the internet, but they're wrong: Kiki
is only well known because everyone hates her. You can't make money out of
haters, but she's dilluded, and has been ever since our relationship
started. All she ever talked about was Myspace, whenever anyone writes
anything bad she expects us all to jump in and defend her. We got sick of
it, after a while everyone she hung out with in real life stopped commenting
on her stuff and backing her up against haters, so she bitched about them.
She always called her haters "stalkers" and "obsessed" but she was her own
hater, she was obsessed with herself and how everyone saw her. All she cared
about was how our relationship was portrayed, how everyone else saw it, she
didn't care about what it actually was, just how it looked to other people
on the internet. People she didn't even know.I should have ended it as soon
as I realised, but I liked her, and I thought she would at least show me
some respect for sticking with her even when everyone turned their backs on
her. It was the same with her hair, it looked good from a forward angle, but
from behind it didn't look right, so we couldn't take photos of her from
behind. We'd get funny comments thrown at us in the streets, sometimes
people would recognise her and call her names, she didn't fight back, she
hid away, or called her dad to pick her up and spend the whole journey back
bitching about how fat they were. She's posted all these journals making
herself sound like the victim, when it's the other way around, she hates
people, they fight back, and then she posts journals to get sympathy, when
she was the one that started it. I liked the attention while I was with her,
but now that we've broken up I've got even more support, I didn't realise
how much she hurts people, I guess I became trapped in her world where
haters are just jealous but now I realise it's more than that. She wrote
that journal to cover her back, because she knew the truth would come out
eventually. She pretends she wants me back because she's scared of me
telling people about all the horrible stuff she's done to get where she is.
It's too late. "
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Well, the two made billion photos like this one together and I am pretty sure she would look totally unconfortable on all if he actually did something bad to her, plus they are even further proof that her new rape claims are bs.
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So she basicly says everybody should always only believe the side of the girl that claims that she got raped, because people totally never lie for revenge.
Can we trust the evidence Chris Stone has?>>16529
She has gone way too far with this. I agree with you she is doing it just to gain attention.
PULL has become useless and watered down where most are believing this bullshit.
We need some solid evidence and put it somewhere where everyone can see she is a lying two faced bitch.
There is a thread about that website already since it was first created. There were many other threads too that included even more police reports regarding the Ostrengas but they had to get removed for "stalking" during her shitstorm against the site's host.>>16600
The same evidence can be found in Kiki and Cathy's stalking folder, in there are even more documents showing that Kiki's current claims are bullshit.
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