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ProJared/Holly Conrad/DCA/GG: The "OH GOD IT NEVER ENDS" Edition
Last Time on the "ProJared STFU Challenge"
> Holly snapped for a hot minute and started following people who talked shit about her
> Jared's fanbase attempts to rewrite history by insisting "Jared never directly solicited nudes!" despite evidence to the contrary
> Some of those who publicly condemned Jared's actions (like Jirard) simultaneously gain amnesia about the whole "He jacked it to minors" thing and go back to showing public support for him
> Holly popped into Jared's stream, discussing something meaningless and trivial ("I got gummy butterflies, Jared!") as if needing to publicly stake her claim on the man that literally no other sane person wants.
> Holly also quit offering mental health tips for $30 and moved on to offering subpar art "surprises", forgetting that someone could pay a better artist $30 and actually be able to pick what they want art of
> Someone made a charitable version of Holly's "Cancelled" shirt with the proceeds going to domestic violence charities; Trash Coven has it removed almost immediately
> Holly instead claims she is going to have the proceeds for said shirt donated to charity - and then backtracked, removing all evidence of her offer within 48 hours.
> A PJ2-stan sent Heidi a very creepy and threatening message, that they would make her confess her sins in whatever way possible - Jared and Holly remained silent while the person ran back to their side, bragging about their actions.
> Jared and Holly are still publicly endorsing the bullshit petitions to bring DCA back rather than just finding new homes for their characters or even just making new ones
> Holly posted a picture of herself snuggling a chicken against CDC guidelines, someone replied with a joke about her touching cocks when she isn't supposed to, and Holly accused them of harassment and internet shaming
> Holly tried to promote her patreon by saying "I've lost income from the 'apocalypse of the past few months" as if she wasn't the direct cause and that she wasn't still sitting on the fortune her grandfather left her.
> She lost her shit over the fact that The Sims offered an 'influencer' career and pouted that she was too stupid to find the Spellcaster career that had been released just days prior to her tweets.
> Jared, the eternal idiot, thought it appropriate to once again make a joke of "What's the strongest boss I beat? Cancel Culture!", much to the chagrin of every human being with more than one iq point.
Image Credit: >>866866
Thread Credit: >>881336
Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack.
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw coming
For More On Holly Conrad:>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRads
Jessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon >Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.com
Participation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
The Expanded Universe:
Previous GG Threads:**>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantART
Suzy "the Goose" Berhow:>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just me
Katie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofviolet
About Dice, Camera, Action:>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsser
Filed Under “Other”:
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan>Game Grump and animator
You May Support and Subscribe at: >Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/
Reminder from Mods:>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk.
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Is this what people are paying money for?
So let me get this one straight. A single tone watercolor wash over flat inks, with flat white ink/marker/paint whatever in a very blasé arrangement?
And this is 50$ without a choice in what you get?
I feel like 40 years from now Jared, Holly, and Heidi will all be at the same retirement home still arguing about this.
Like the rest of the internet has moved onto more juicy scandals.
I really, REALLY doubt that Heidi will ever be friends with her ex-husband that she accused of being an emotionally abusive
gaslighter - or friends with Holly, the woman who fucked her husband and then publicly called her "abusive
" for asking Holly to not fuck her husband.
They're nice if you like the ~aesthetic~, but I would pay at most
$20 for the set of four if I were in a really good mood, and that includes any shipping. $50 for one of those is hilarious.
$50 and you don't even get to choose WHICH of the designs you get.
I get that this art isn't everyone's thing (it ain't mine) but is great to others - but jesus christ, $50 for it and you get NO input? That's just ridiculous
OP you have done a masterful job. Thank you
Tbh isnt that defeating cancel culture tweet just so absolutely cringe? I wish someone would slap pedodick and put it on their patreon. Now that is content I would pay for.>>881670>>881667
Newfags, please, for the love of God, type sage into the email field before you submit commentary without image/screenshot content. It's not only offensive to shit up a thread, but can get you banned.
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really now. first five-dollar mushroom art for her patreon, and now she's planning on selling shirts with text print that she/kayla haven't even made.
fucking lord help the scams this woman runs
"The text was taken directly from"
It's literally one fucking word, a word that is COMMONLY used!
Good lord, she just keeps one upping the stupid bullshit she'll try to earn money from, doesn't she?
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Every influencer is hocking shitty, uninspired, overpriced merch these days. She's creating the most boring, generic merch imaginable for her aesthetic instead of creating content for the brand it represents. It has no ambition or longevity, and it's gonna get lost in the sea of forgettable "witchy" fashion.
Pic related kek
I wonder how long it'll be before she tries to trademark the fucking words "cancelled" and "haunted"
I mean, it is Halloween season; Is she going to slap anything that says "haunted" with a copyright allegation?
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I assume she means it's in the "font" (handwriting) of the book, but even then this is like her typing "no" in a Word document with preinstalled font "Old English" and then being like "ummm actually you guys it's from Shakespeare ever heard of it???"
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God, reading the book's wikipedia (which I assume is all Holly did too)>He set himself to prove that the belief in witchcraft and magic was rejected by reason and by religion and that spiritualistic manifestations were wilful impostures or illusions due to mental disturbance in the observers. >His aim was to prevent the persecution of poor, aged, and simple persons, who were popularly credited with being witches.>Scot believed that the prosecution of those accused of witchcraft was irrational and un-Christian, and he held the Roman Church responsible
So it seems like it's basically about how people accused of being witches are actually just mentally ill and wrongly accused. Which is why Holly thinks it's about her, much like how everything in the universe is about her.
Holly:>trash witch trash witch, being spooky is a personality :)))) witch witch witch caw caw black
Holly's merch: >ummm you're persecuting me and literally burning me at the stake because i'm mentally ill :((( witches aren't real and you're a bully if you think i'm one and heidi is tricking you all with stage magic
Anyways, Reductress (satire site) just released this sweatshirt, and it's essentially the same as Holly's merch.
That art better be matted & framed
as well if she expects people (other than her loyal subjects) to shell out $50 for it.
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God I love PULL
>"They'll also gladly profit off it while bullying any other content creator into taking down videos about them claiming "you're profiting off us" like the trash they are."
Apparently only they are allowed to bring up this scandal & nobody else. Not even Heidi.
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Also the term 'cancelled' sounds so watered-down & immature considering what it was meant to convey.
'Disowned', 'Disposed', 'Boycotted', 'Ex-communicated', any of these words have more of a 'punch' to them.
Then again, I guess making it sound so petty & childish minimizes the blow to these people's precious egos.
It's like "Oh, I was cancelled"
No, my guy - You were publicly shamed for running numerous porn blogs and receiving nudes of minors that you may or may not have actually fucked at conventions because you can't keep it in your fucking pants.
That goes beyond petty schoolyard bullshit.
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Looks like this shirt isn't doing too well, so they had to advertise it on ProJared2 again…
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> "Maybe but her twitter is still trying to hold on to those 5 mins of fame"
I love how PJ2 still bitches about Heidi from time to time, even with the current 'heavy-moderating'
"Her twitter is still trying"
She mentioned her shitty mental health and the struggles she went through - Her marriage was blown up by her cheating piece of shit, maybe-pedophile husband. I'd think she's allowed to talk about how that affects her.
How the fuck did two women end up fighting over… this
She must have thought he had a REALLY great personality then…
(Then again, Holly does seem like she subscribes to the 'ugly people have beautiful souls' school-of-thought…)
Because both Heidi and Holly are not women, but cows.
Their behaviour is crazy, they completely lack basic sense and judgement. Even Mother Nature has given up on them since fucking this guy is a crime against Natural Selection.
This thread exists solely because tons of anons got cheated on by some slimeball and that makes them empathize with a cow. This is also why you'll get torn to pieces if you say anything negative about that obviously dumb, unstable and ridiculous individual.
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Nothing to see here, move along.
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Unless if Ross himself confirms that he approved of Holly's relationship with Jared, people really shouldn't just take Jared's word for it.
>"You know Ross went up to visit and support Projared during all this, yeah?"
Nope, try again. Ross supposedly visited Jared back in March of 2018. Not in the summer of 2019.
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Another good response to Jared's dumbass "I beat Cancel Culture!" tweet
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From a week ago but I think it fell through the cracks.
Did I miss something, what does this mean? Is this some kind of "boundaries" shit?
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He would probably just go offline for a bit.
Ross is good at avoiding drama, the only exception was the Brooke Houts situation, because fuck her.
I feel like Jared got his heart broken sometime in the past, possibly before Heidi.
And instead of being clingy and possessive, he is more the opposite, cold and distant.
He just doesn't want to be hurt again.
Yep. Jared posts a video of the action, & Holly has to butt in all "Look! I took this photo of him! We went together
Now I know why Jared liked her. She falls all over herself giving him praise.
i agree but only because jared is an absolute cunt of a wormboy. holly really should have known what he's capable of just by looking at the way he treated his wife "for her". this is not a man anyone should be deigning to love kek>>882105
this is the first i've ever heard of that kind of perspective. from that point of view, i guess jared only needs intense therapy and possibly inpatient treatment, contrasted with my current diagnosis of complete isolation from all society
it doesn't do well to reinforce habits like this with sympathy, especially because this is just learned behavior which can and should be fixed.
Plus with the cheating scandal being relatively recent, and the trolls still out there, he doesnt want to draw too much attention to their relationship.
I doubt they will ever get serious enough to the point of moving in together or getting married, though with most relationships that (should) comes a few years down the line.
I am not sure exactly how strong Jared feels emotionally about Holly, but probably not as much as the other way around.
Holly is basically obsessed and dick-whipped over Jared.
Still, Holly must be hella tight from never fucking Ross, maybe Jared is whipped too.
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…Or he just doesn't like showing too much
Makes sense how he seems more attracted to people more vulnerable & insecure than himself.
lmao fuck off with this unsaged Jared fanfic. Jared the type of dude to pine over some girl and then get mad when she gets a boyfriend even though he never had a chance with her in the first place and then be like>She used me….she broke my heart and I vowed to never let that happen again :/ so I put up my walls….so no one could hurt me. But maybe….you could fix me? if you send nudes? :/
and the girl would be like>Who? Oh yeah sure, I knew him in highschool
You can't be "cold and distant" and also be so desperate for validation that you beg for nudes and attention from girls on the internet because you feel entitled to more than what your loving wife is giving you. If he was "cold and distant" he would have fucked any rando he could because he's detached from it, but he didn't, he fucked the one that worshiped him enough to throw her own marriage out the window and tell him how special he is because that's the one that gave him the biggest ego boost. He's "cold and distant" to Holly now because he was never as invested in it as she was. Their relationship was always a one way street: Jared is the only person Holly's ever been sexually attracted to, wowowow HIS penis did that! What does he give Holly in return?
fuck off. Jared is an incel and you making excuses for his behavior is why guys think it's okay to treat women like shit. He has no remorse for any of the fan nudes, nor hurting his ex wife. >>882110
> Because she now is saying that she wasn't getting support for years doesn't mean that in 2017 she wasn't praising him to high heavens.
Because she still trusted him back then.
When you've been cheated on, you start to look back at all those times & question everything
Holly acts like a parent currently in a custody battle; "Look how much happier
our kid is when they're with ME!"
> Almost everyone that supposedly was slighted by him personally deleted or rescinded their stories.
Yeah, & they all did that roughly around the same time
, as if Jared had a leg-up on them legally & let them know that in private or something…
Well he tried to break up Heidi in October but she wouldn't allow it.
Did he cheat? Yes.
But he wasn't cheating just for the thrill of cheating, just to sleep around for the hell of it. He was in an emotionally bad state at the time. and Heidi admits that Holly emotionally manipulated him.
Are you also this anon? >>882105
Seems sus you keep defending Jared's actions. Cheating is cheating. it dosnt matter the reason
Yes you are correct. He is a cheater. Does this mean he needs to have his head on a pike? No.
Does it make him a toxic
-Heidi makes facebook post about the divorce and cheating, which also contains outright lies which she herself later contradicted on Twitter. Well over 200 people saw it, including Jared's family and professional contacts, and Heidi's own friends who were as popular or even moreso when she was at the time.
-Jared has to make a response sooner or later, rumors were already spreading about them splitting sometime before they officialy did. This would ofcourse escalate about Heidi put the word out.
-In retrospect it was a bad idea for Jared to say anything, and blocking Heidi did not support his case at all.
-He reveals polyamory. While poly isn't cheating, it still involves sleeping around, which is generally frowned upon in the west which favors monogamy.
First part, no. People send nudes all the fucking time to people, especially when they're cheating, attention seeking or passing it off as "modeling", yes jared is a bad guy but this is not a good response at all which is why that idiot followed up to try to elaborate.
If you actually followed the situation, like this person did, you would know it was mainly the false accusations and what is USUALLY false accusations used to "cancel" someone. Jared never denied getting nudes at all lol.
Didn't say Heidi was a villain.
Heidi had a mental illness.
That illness being love.
Love makes us do stupid shit for our partner, and can drive us completely mad when they break our hearts.
The opposite, everyone here will do ANYTHING to make sure heidi can be blamed for absolutely NOTHING other than being a victim
>Heidi makes facebook post about the divorce and cheating, which also contains outright lies which she herself later contradicted on Twitter
Most people don't talk about their sex-lives to their close family members, especially parents.
Heidi said recently (I think it was in her stream?) that she has a better relationship with her parents now after separating from Jared.
It's not that no one wants to criticize Heidi. I personally have seen this shit a million times
, it's textbook cheater-behavior.
Heidi in her stream admits that while Jared was attracted to Holly, he had no intention of making a move on her and said something along the lines of "Oh I won't even go there she is probably not in an open relationship".
So Jared only escaleted because it was Heidi's idea. And even then it was just talking.
Jared might be a pervert sure, but IMO doesn't seem like the type to cheat on his wife and fuck Ross's wife (they were basically butt-buddies, suprised he didn't cheat on Heidi with Ross instead) just for the hell of it.
If Ross went to see Jared in March (so far Jared hasn't been proven to be dishonest in this).
I imagine the discussion went like this
Ross telling Jared he knows about the nignt in February. Jared saying he had no idea how Holly felt about him, and that he wouldn't want to steal his girl or cheat on his wife. It was probably just basic emotional support. Ross telling Jared he has his blessing, and would rather see Holly happier with someone else, Jared saying he wants to repair his marriage.
-I am just assuming herr
Yes, he cheated after being blackmailed and coerced into staying with Heidi.
While cheating is never okay, I think that circumstance in at least understandable.
Yes, he cheated after being blackmailed and coerced into staying with Heidi.
While cheating is never okay, I think that circumstance in at least understandable.
They were married, if he really wanted out of it he could have just gotten a divorce. I'll read back in the threads to refresh on it, but from what I remember the "blackmailing" was about his solicitation of nudes. If he didn't want to be outed for it, maybe he shouldn't have asked for them?
There's no sympathy for Jared or Holly, both of them are shitty in this situation. It doesn't matter if you're unhappy in your marriage, you're still a scumbag for cheating.
Heidi always encouraged Jared to be open about his feelings, even if it was feelings for someone else. She said she was so stunned
by the kinda shit that Jared said
that Holly was saying about her, because, like all of us, she thought Holly was a kind-hearted, understanding person (which is probably why she encouraged it in the first place)
We don't know exactly how Jared and Holly hooking up came about.
It might have been Jared who seduced Holly, and apparently he and Heidi hadn't sex for several months at that point. He was deprived.
If it was Holly who did it is kind of scummy IMO, but we don't know
Did she really
want them to fuck, anon? Like, did she explicitly say
All I've seen is her encouraging Jared to tell Holly about his feelings for her.
Yes, I feel like it was a case of mixed signals.
Which usually ends up killing a relationship despite it being an attempt to fix it.
Also, she didn't count on Holly wanting Jared all to herself
, & I don't think Jared was counting on that either, considering:>>882197
He either meant it at first, & eventually just let things spiral out of control, or he was just lying to Heidi to keep her suspicions at bay.
My guess is the latter, but we'll probably never know anyway.
"Doesn't mean he's shitty to all women"
If he's shitty to even just ONE woman, he's a piece of trash. You don't get a hall pass to act like a turd to someone you swore to honor and cherish because someone got you horny.>>882166
"She wouldn't allow it"
You realize that he's a grown man who could have went and filed for divorce anyway, right? Divorce doesn't require both parties to shit and agree to divorce.>>882178
> "While poly isn't cheating, it still involves sleeping around"
No, it g-ddamn does not. Poly isn't license to fuck whoever you want when your partner expresses discomfort.>>882200
A wife losing her cool after being gaslit by her husband is not "blackmail".>>882207
"Holly came from a broken home"….."Holly felt alone & confused"
Not a valid
excuse to spread your legs for married men while you're married yourself.
He ghosted Unogirl after sleeping with her, then only started acknowledging her again after she publicly spoke out against him to get her back on his side. So we know he treated at least one female fan as if she’s disposable, gaslighted the hell out of his wife and also lied to his mistress about the state of his marriage. That’s at least three women he’s mistreated, even if not all of them are equally deserving of our sympathy.>>882262
Has Holly spoken out against open relationships? I thought she’d been insinuating that her and Ross had one as well.
Also from what I’ve seen, the Holly and Jared fans who are against open relationships/poly only really seem to have a problem with the part where the woman gets to do it too.
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I love these responses.
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I'm sorry but could you imagine having to sit next to the woman who has a fucking pigeon wearing a leash on your plane? Not to mention she's probably talking/cooing to it the whole flight
This ignorant fuck. "Hilarious they just let you do it lol"
There are people who HAVE to pay extra for service animals and then you have this cunt with a fucking pigeon (which serves literally NO purpose besides shitting and spreading disease)
Miss Moneybags can get away with just about anything
How shocking! /s
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Saw this post on tumblr & now I'm intrigued…
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Let the record show that this shit was up on his main
blog in January of 2017. It wasn't all 'kept private/restricted to his nsfw blog' like he & his fans claim.
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Old milk, but, people say Jared never pressured any of his fans for nudes…
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I wonder if Jared will 'reach out' & 'reminisce' with this one & cause them to completely change their stance on him…
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>"Jared hasn't said he's heard anything from Wizards. In a stream last night Holly said she hasn't either, but isn't giving up."
> "I couldn't keep my eye from gazing down there"
Again, how did he NOT know he was sexting with minors because saying "there" instead of just saying "at your dick" or some variant is very much some teenage/minor bullshit.>>882378
But remember, ask his stans - He NEVER asked for nudes!! /s
>"taking a wait and see approach"
Wait and see what? Wait and see how many other victims
come forward? Wait and see what stupid shit Hoelly will spew next?
For people who are apparently desperate for DCA to come back, neither one of them are all that careful with the persona they're putting out there right now (Jared "I BEAT CANCEL CULTURE" Knabenbauer and Hoelly "I IGNORE THE CDC BECAUSE FUCK YOU" Conrad)
The fact that he has already managed to convince just about every small youtuber who made a video AGAINST him to take them down and go back to singing his praises or saying that "it's all a misunderstanding!"
Notice that the only ones who have NOT backed down were the bigger, richer, more powerful youtubers like Philly D and H3H3
Holly decided to join in & have a go at CreepshowArt & harassed her into deleting her videos too because she didn't want CreepShow 'profiting off' her.
>Notice that the only ones who have NOT backed down were the bigger, richer, more powerful youtubers like Philly D and H3H3
Jared's stans are still
butthurt because Ethan pretty much said that, all things considered, he's still
a creep for doing what he did.
(I also find it funny that ProJared's stans are actually shocked
that Ethan - a friend of Jontron isn't
too fond of Jared.)
That’s likely why the unogirl was quick to do a complete 180 with her take on Jared. She was trashing the guy until he reached out and “apologized.”
We already know he put out legal threats against the minors and even Heidi.
Not every state has the same strong anti-SLAPP laws that Texas does.
That's part of what made Vic's lawsuit targets willing to fight back.
Vic will have to pay their legal fees.
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I knew that face reminded me of a certain character…
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If only they stayed together and worked it out.
If only Holly was more committed to her husband (Who wouldn't want to be married to a member of the Game Grumps!?).
If only Jared stayed more committed to her wife.
Why couldn't Holly just stay out of other people's marriages.
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The 16th is when Jared made his bullshit "I beat Cancel Culture" tweet - look at the way his follower count went up when he once again mentioned the drama.
Tell me again how he doesn't know what he's doing by dragging out the drama again, PJ2 stans…
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Bad photoshop I know.
The year is 2040
Jared remnises of a moment some years ago where he got a phone call, a seemingly unimportant call where he was offered a job with Wizards of the Coast. Jared wonders what his life would have been like if he took that gig. Then he looks to his wife and their son Aries and realizes, he made the right choice.
Holly and Ross tried to make it work but it just fell apart in on itself. Holly was insitutionalized and keeps imagining herself talking to birds despite none being in sight.(autistic derail)
Oh but Heidi
is the one who keeps bringing it up for those 5 mins of fame! /s
>>882510>>882514>jared every five minutes: "remember when everyone hated me for sneaking fan nudes and i survived that"
what a hero!>holly every five minutes: "remember when the internet found out about my scamming, cheating, lying, whoring and being a massive cunt and i survived that"
what a paragon of virtue!>heidi: "i'm still hurting from the years of deception plotted by my own husband"
can this vile bitch like shut up for one second jesus christ
Jared - "So brave! He stood up to the entire
Holly - "So noble! So loyal! She stood by Jared when no one else would!"
Heidi - "She's just a nobody looking for 5 mins of fame! She did this to herself! Maybe if she stopped bitching & was a better wife
to Jared, he wouldn't have left her! (stans cheer)"
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This CupcakeValkyrie person seems to be very toxic. They're also the 'totally neutral & unbiased' mod behind that JaredHollyHeiditruth blog on tumblr
I'm surprised ProJared2 is even allowing them to spew shit like this on their subreddit while claiming to 'keep things positive'. Just because they contributed at some point, doesn't mean they have to stay in your circle.
>"All she (Heidi) had to do was be supportive and loving towards Jared. If she couldn't, then all she had to do was leave. Jared was never forcing her to stay"
She was financially dependent on him.
> "Now, if Heidi were a good person. If she were sane, and logical, and reasonable, she would have actually supported him."
She did. She even embraced his lecherous behavior on tumblr.
>"Instead, she's illogical, vindictive, cruel, jealous, narcissistic, and possessive. She abused Jared, was angry that she felt like she was in his shadow because he was more successful than her"
But Holly "Stop calling me Grump-mom!" Conrad isn't anything like that, right?
>"Holly was determined, though, and started getting through to Jared. Started making him realize that Heidi was an abuser."
More like she kept pestering him to get him on her side after colossally fucking it up the first time by talking shit about his wife - he also ratted Holly out immediately, by the way. How trustworthy! /s
>"That's the reason Heidi ultimately forbade Jared from seeing Holly, and that's the reason why, in October, Jared broke up with Heidi. He couldn't divorce her because she was literally holding the career of him friends hostage."
Like you said about Heidi, Jared could have divorced her at any time. He could have even filed for divorce one of the many times he was out of state to avoid facing a bad reaction from Heidi. He did just about everything else behind her back, why stop there?
>"…And mind you, Ross supported the relationship between Holly and Jared. Neither Jared nor Holly cheated on their spouses."
Says Jared. Ross himself never said a single word confirming this, yet you people lose your shit any time someone says they "only feel bad for Ross" in this situation.
Funny how all of these people casually ignore how depressed Ross was last year, especially looking back on some of the things said about they're relationship. He seemed to really want to spend his future with Holly (He even mentioned something about wanting to adopt a child with Holly in one video)
I've even seen people insisting that Ross said it wasn't Holly that he was talking about in Syrmor's video, when all he said was that it was recorded before 'certain events' - referring to the drama.
Sorry for the rant. I'm just so fucking sick of these people yelling at others to "Keep Ross out of it!" when they keep running their mouths with their faulty "Ross confirmed…" statements that are based only on word-of-mouth from Jared (and one of Holly's fans)
(Sage for no new content)
May I ask for your opinion on Charlie & Chai and the underage grooming allegations?
Did she ever even learn what a Temporary Restraining Order is or is she still babbling on about how the TRO proves Heidi is abusive
I swear, these overobsessive fans are the dumbest, most deliberately ignorant fucks this side of Vic Mignogna supporters.
Charlie's account is spotty at best. I have an easier time believing they're the one that lied, while Chai's account is still up in the air, considering neither they nor Jared seem to remember much regarding their past interactions.
As for any other
underage grooming allegations? I have heard there were others, but they're probably (understandably) scared to come out now after seeing the backlash Charlie & Chai received, & are afraid that no one will take them seriously due to Charlie's dishonesty.
That being said, I don't think Jared intentionally
sought out minors when it came to sending/receiving nudes. I think he was just neglectful when it came to vetting users.
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If PJ2 mods are actually serious about being a force of positivity & not sinking to the same level as Jared-haters, then they should really
These kinds of people do not
make you look good.
I don't care that CupcakeValkyrie's blog helped out Jared, their behavior is absolutely toxic
& is the antithesis of what ProJared2 is currently trying to promote.
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Old milk, but I found this interesting tidbit; Unogirl confirms that "it was actually August 4th 2018 that Jared started soliciting nudes again on Tumblr."
I don't even know why people bothered to push the "He never asked for nudes!" line in the first place…
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Here's what I don't get, people like Melancholia & Unogirl keep saying Heidi 'lied' because "She said she was not okay with Jared swapping nudes on tumblr but was actually okay with it all along!"
She literally talked about this back on May 8th on Twitter (BEFORE this shit went viral) Did people just not read any of Heidi's tweets & just decide that she lied because they don't like her or some shit?
Somewhere along the line, he started doing shit behind her back when she wanted him to cut it out.
This whole "She lied by omission!" narrative is flimsy as fuck.
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In her updated video, Melancholia said something along the lines of "Heidi lied to me because she said she was not
okay with the nudes blog when she really was
okay with it." Like, where
did she lie though?
Here you are, replying in the same thread
where she admits to approving of the whole nudes thing at first until things got out of hand.
Like, where is the lie? It's all right fucking there. Right before shit went nuclear. Even PJ2 links to these tweets, yet insist
that "Heidi had been lying about everything
She managed the blog and personally sent a lot of nudes to Jared and wouldn't be surprised if it went even further then that. She's more then likely in the same boat as Unogirl where it's just delusional fangirling and wanting to be on their good side.
Really unfortunate because back when I followed the blog I actually thought she supported the "body positive" narrative that it "tried" to push.
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>"Jared lied to me about Heidi being okay with the blog,"
Heidi literally said, in the thread that you replied to
, that she approved of the nudes blog. at first." She did not
lie to you, she says it right there publicly.
Looks like you slandered her in your video by claiming she 'lied' to you.
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Also, why was Holly so hell-bent on trying to hook up with Jared?
Surely it wouldn't be too hard to find some other skinny nerdy guy into D&D, why did she have to go after the one who was married?
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It can't be just ANY guy you fool, she's "demisexual panromantic", which somehow means she's queer uwu>demisexual: a person who does not experience sexual attraction unless they form a strong emotional connection with someone.>panromantic: a person who is romantically attracted to others but is not limited by the other's sex or gender
Of course her husband did not fall into the "emotional connection" category, and when she was with him she was asexual uwu. Of course she's open to the entirety of the gender spectrum, the only thing that matters is the connection uwu but coincidentally she ruined her marriage to one cishet white man by sleeping with another cishet white man. Odd that didn't she destroy her marriage for Anna or Suzy or Heidi or Jessica or any of the women she had connections with, hm. >I'm open to ALL foods in the entire world uwu I'm on the foodie spectrum AND the connoisseur spectrum uwu>I'll just have these 2 identical pieces of white bread please, thanks #foodie #connoisseur #LGBTQ #queer #diversity
(no shade to Ross in any of this, luv u Ross)
this has always got me too, holly is absolutely shameless about proclaiming her demisexuality or whatchamacallit when it's clearly defined as "sexual attraction resulting only from emotional connection"
as if it's natural and expected for you to not have an emotional connection with your fucking husband
. jesus christ, if i ever find myself in a marriage like this, i might shoot myself – ross is a saint for putting up with and surviving this catastrophe of a relationship
Holly's face looks like it was made-in-China.
Not sure why Ross found her attractive anyway.
Not even sure why Holly said yes when he proposed to her since she DID NOT HAVE FEELINGS for him. She just wanted that Game Grumps money and clout.
I just wished that Ross and Heidi hooked up. Heidi made Ross put on the Diath costume, just to spite Jared and Holly.
That would be the ultimate revenge.
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Holly's sexuality is literally "whatever buzzword someone on twitter says to her". Which in her mind translates to "queer". It's definitely a way for her to justify cheating in her own mind of "it's not cheating because unlike cheaters I did it because I LIKE jared you guys, it's completely different i'm queer" as if emotional/physical connections with people other than your spouse isn't what all cheating is.
She literally "umm actually :)"s her own statement here.>>882890>as if it's natural and expected for you to not have an emotional connection with your fucking husband
Yes, this. I understand it as an identity, but I honestly don't understand the need for married people to constantly publicly proclaim their bi/pan/a/whatever sexuality. It just screams "Me, look over here at me! Actually I'M oppressed too even though I'm in a same-race cishet marriage and therefore do not face any risk of persecution!
". It feels like being warm and safe in a life raft after the Titanic sunk and looking at the people in the water and going "Even though I'm safe and sound in the life raft ummm actually I identify with the people dying in the water? We're the same, I'm in the ice water too you guys! My life is just as at risk as yours! Obviously I'm not going to jump in the water but I COULD if I wanted to.
". But Holly's the worst version of this because it is literally "Guys it's really hard for me to come out like this but I have to be brave…..my husband who I've been married to for 6 years? I like him. This defines me as queer
" and then all her tumblrinas applaud her bravery and scream "yaaas queen". Ross deserves an award of some sort for putting up with it.
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Guessing the photo wasn't taken recently
…And yet he still
hasn't gotten his job at NormalBoots back…
Because Normal Boots is a collective of independent creators, who generally work best on their own.
Hidden Block… exists?
Unlike Game Grumps where Arin needs someone to bounce off because on his own he is pretentious and unfunny.
According to someone on ProJared2
"Jared straight up said in his Blair Witch playthrough that he is doing everything he can not to do anything the Grumps are doing. There is some obvious beef"
That might be one of the reasons, though it might be two birds one stone.
As with any marriage, it's a bonus when the one you genuinely love can also provide a utility addition to your life, that being citizenship.
Besides if you go through many of Ross's older social media posts, he was basically infatuated with Holly and put her on a pedestal. Or watch him on stream after he broke up with Holly, he seemed depressed and would get drunk on streams.
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>>883073>But there was a lot of rumours in the GG fandom that they married because Ross needed visa to stay in the country
What? I'm pretty sure we were all too busy sperging about Arin and Suzy's relationship and the Arin/Jon drama to ever pay attention to Holly or Ross. Outside of that one Reddit post where one person asked if Ross was a citizen and Ross himself responds I don't remember seeing this ever brought up before the scandal.
>and that's why a large part of them did not ask or press her on her story when they announced separation or when the scandal started
This isn't true either, nobody pressed it because they gave perfectly believable reasons for splitting up and said they were clearly still friends. There was nothing to question.
>Gotta say that this story makes her look in a better side than the rest
Except there's zero evidence supporting this? Kinda seems like you're just makin stuff up bud.
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You guys hear about this Junko Knickerbocker?>>883073>they married because Ross needed visa to stay in the country
They got him a green card because he needed a visa? Seems pretty excessive, kek.
>Gotta say that this story makes her look in a better side than the rest.
That's probably why we're hearing about it. I'm sure some
people speculated that their marriage was for a green card or citizenship, as some
people are wont to do. If it was substantiated, Jagoff Knickelback wks would have been throwing it around this whole time.
He was a green card holder as of late 2018 (it comes up in conversation around election time,) and finishing up "immigration stuff" 4 years ago. https://twitter.com/rubberninja/status/1059903244749557761https://www.reddit.com/r/gamegrumps/comments/358b42/is_ross_an_american_citizen/
I know you're not from the US, but marriage fraud is a really high risk to take on when you're an employable Australian with a shot at an 01.
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and Jared continues with the liking of tweets like this, still not realizing how fucking disgusting it is and that HE SAID ALMOST THE EXACT THING ("mandatory, send nudes")
And he got away with it, thanks to his creepy new gf & batshit fanbase.
This goes beyond untrustworthy - They crossed that line real quick when ProPedo told Heidi that he was/had definitely broke it off with Hoelly and then kept getting with her regardless.
This is straight into dangerous territory. Dude is a whole ass predator that's going to keep doing this until there's real ramifications for being a walking human cautionary tale.
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sorry for rehashing old milk, but the context of this >>881951
photograph was missed.
anyone still confused about hating jared?
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Haven't listened to it yet but I'm glad she's getting out there
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I’m pretty sure this is the origin of the infamous Jared dick pic that’s been circulated from the beginning.
later in the twitter thread they remind people how hard it is to get receipts from Snapchat. In her shoes I’d have blocked and deleted too after getting dick pics from him.
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Leave him alone you crazy woman, he's tired and won't larp your dumb infidelity story.
He still follows her on Twitter and @'d her just a few weeks ago, dunno if he still wants to DM for her but they otherwise seem to be on good terms… Because who cares if she's abusive
and manipulative to others, she's never done it to him.
I don't think Holly is abusing Jared.
Especially if we are to believe Jared abused Heidi, then it's not likely he would let himself be abused by someone else.
Over the weekend he went to PRGE instead of her bird-lover event, because bros before hoes.
He has her dick-whipped with his monster dong, she answers to him not the other way around.
Holly very clearly is an abuser and has an abusive
personality that she’s never going to try to fix, but Heidi says when she saw the text exchanges between Jared and Holly he was doing the same emotionally dismissive shit he had done to her. She also said how Holly would harass him and suicide bait him into getting him to divorce Heidi.
They’re basically both abusers and victims
of each other. Holly is an emotionally unhinged narc and Jared is an emotionally cold narc.
Only time will tell which of them gets the worse of it in the end. My guess will be Holly because Jared’s supporters hate women, even though Holly is a piece of shit and deserves hate.
I don't think anyone deserves abuse per say, but fuck me sideways if Holly doesn't need one hell of a reality check that people aren't supporting HER - they're just taking the first opportunity to shit on a woman who dared speak up and say something negative about a man.
Your faux gamerboy fans aren't going to protect you when shit hits the fan again, Holly and ProDick? He'll throw your ass to the wolves himself.
Holly isn't neccesarily the reason they divorced.
Jared suggested breaking up in October, they didn't.
November, Heidi stops sleeping in Jared's bed. Her choice.
They were no longer a couple in February, no divorce.
In April is when Heidi discovered the cheating and pedophilia allegations, and then she kicked him out of the house and supposedly they hadn't seen each other in person since.
Holly was a contributing factor but saying she is the only reason is giving her far too much credit.
Just like saying Heidi cancelled Jared when it was mainly C&C, Heidi just got the ball rolling.
before you start daydreaming them having been living in one of those
states, keep in mind that the law there does not discriminate between "consenting adultery" (polyamorous relationships) and "non-consenting adultery" (cheating). Heidi having admitted in public that she had multiple sexual female partners since being married for Jared would have granted her in the same criminal trouble as him. Likely why they weren't living in those
states, or lived in the past, or got married in them.
Actually, in a lot of states, it does and would give Heidi grounds for an "alienation of affection" case. Unfortunately, Washington is a state that doesn't go by that.>>883792
You care to share where you heard she had "multiple sexual female" partners? As far as either of them has said, it was ONE partner and it was a long distance relationship that had no physical contact.
Jared with Holly was close, physical contact to the point that Holly moved to Washington from LA to be closer to him.
ngl it’s really stupid how some people on here are obsessed with the divorce being finalized.
what jared and holly did is shitty and lawyers can use how someone acts during separation before the divorce is finalized to leverage for their client to get a better deal but outside of that it doesn’t matter.
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"I've slept with women
Sorry, anon, but on this point it is clear that Heidi admitted repeatedly and way prior the scandal and the decline of their marriage, that she had other sexual relationships than Jared. Might not have been serious ones but the law doesn't differentiate that much. Also, "grounds for divorce" is not "criminal offense", but I guess you are one of the few here that doesn't have PhD in Law.
That he condoned. If he didn't want her to sleep with other women, he could have said so - but apparently didn't (I don't see Heidi as the type who would've continued to do so at the risk of her marriage).
Relationships that her husband okayed are NOT on the same playing field as Jared fucking the ONE PERSON that Heidi asked him not to.>>883821
I never said she needed grounds for divorce - I meant as a case against Holly. It wouldn't be the first time that a wife sued the mistress for being the cause of a relationship splitting up.
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pretty close contact
Wow, one person kissing another's cheek! gasp
That's definitely on par with Jared fucking Holly, and exchanging texts talking about fucking each other (and in what positions) in their costumes! /s
You can go back to PJ2 now
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Just for a non-pigeon related breather: Jon got married.
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Of course pigeon dick had something to say
It's called a conversation, pal. Sexual fantasies over a voice chat are different than MOVING SEVERAL STATES TO BE WITH YOUR FUCK BUDDY.>>883905
When did he ask her not to do so again?
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Also why is Scott the Woz not in the description?
He is the one behind everything don't you know
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Yeah gotta say hate Jared as much as the next guy, but "Congrats" isn't really a controversial statement….unless I guess it's to a controversial person like Jon. I don't know what the rules are anymore. Though that does make it seem like he probably wasn't invited. Were they even that close? I guess they're both "shitbrains who got kicked out of NormalBoots for being controversial fuckups">>883897
Well, Suzy's mom did die recently, they could be traveling/busy with that. Or they coulda sent a card or something, I don't necessarily take this as a strike against them, especially considering Jon's history. (Also Suzy really looks like her mom huh)
Even if Jared was invited, he probably wouldn't go.
He would still have to pay his own travel expenses, which he probably can. But being there in the wedding environment, it would probably be too depressing for him after how his own marriage ended.
"Too depressing for him"
Yeah, how dare these people (one of whom he tried to cancel) have a huge life event when ProDick's life is in shambles?
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It'd probably be too depressing for him because none of their mutual friends would want anything to do with him if forced to be in the same room. I mean, who cares they both suck. Jared already gave Jon the greatest wedding gift of his life by taking the "Most controversial member of NormalBoots" title over from him.
I doubt Arin would be upset about not being invited.
Especially since he said he can't be associate with him anymore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hl4eKnMR90
Though I am sure he'd probably go if he had the time and interest and was invited of course.
Don't think they are completely enemies since Jon doesn't have him blocked.
Jared was just showing support to an old friend, I don't think he really expects anything in return.
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Well, someone made a thread with this pic in /pt/, but if this was a real tweet it's gone now. But I also don't really trust this level of autism >>>/pt/721749>>883926
Calm down, Jon's still a racist cow, at least learn to sage your whiteknighting.
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Not hard to fake at all
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Yeah, unclear but I also don't really understand why Arin would care? Are they even on good terms? Even if he did care, would he really care enough to be publicly butthurt on Twitter? >>883933>Jared was just showing support to an old friend, I don't think he really expects anything in return.>an old friend
I mean, he didn't show support to an "old friend" when he was the one in the hot seat, because it benefitted Jared to immediately disavow Jon so he could keep his uwu woke
status. Don't get me wrong, that was the right thing to do, they're both awful but I can't imagine they'd be "friends" after that. If you look at Jon's twitter likes he's liked numerous tweets of people congratulating him, but not Jared's. Their fans are just as delusional apparently though.
Also how does Jon have 3.5 M followers on Twitter? Arin has 1.1 M, did I miss something where Jon became insanely popular and everyone forgot about the racism? >>883944>but I do think it's suspect he didn't bother wishing Jon well
Why is this suspect though? Not everything has to be a public declaration, who's to say he didn't just call him or something.
They're on cordial terms and follow each other on social media.>>883962
Damn, what'd his wife do to you anon?
Bro it was sarcasm.
There is a clear and distinct difference that the PJtard didn’t understand. Consensual vs boundary-breaking conversations.
I mean, fucking a wrinkly and jaundiced bird hag is I GUESS
interesting to some niche people.
Again, you can't really say "He's an old friend!" when Jared tried as hard to burn him as he did.>>883974
> "More interesting sex life"
Dipping your dick in the endless well of crazy that is Holly Conrad isn't "interesting" - It's career suicide.
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Well Jared is a bit of a nutcase himself.
Heidi, Jared and Holly all have mental problems. Heidi is just the most physically attractive of the holy trinity.
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here's another one
Good that Jared being in the replies will give Jon incentive for what not
to do in a marriage.
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>PhD in Law
Topkek anon, thanks! Not that you're wrong about your actual point.>>883892
Disgusting. Interesting to see Jared feeling comfortable rearing his ugly head, though.>>883915
basic ethics, thank you anon!
he's not, at all. he's just jerking himself off to the fact that he can now openly ask people to send him tit pics because the internet seems to have given him a free pass for it>>884027
oh fuck off. i was just wondering what jared did this time around (if he did anything).
some anons in here jfc
i mean, i think of it too, but then i recall just how much dirt heidi has spilled on this douchebag and he still
managed to twist the narrative into "poor tortured man cannibalized by demon bitch wife". i wonder just how much of a chance holly will have standing against him…
then again this time more than half his battle was fought by this dickblinded moron, he might feel the lack of such singleminded devotion very sorely when they have that falling out
Anon's just being a turd, don't worry about it.>>884046
And when that inevitably happens, the milk and karma will be good.
If you read most recent kiwiframs thread, they took a break on shit talking Heidi and started shitting on Holly again (also finding out she scammed cancer patients).
From their own posts, Jared is just a poor beta who can't say no to these evil manipulative harpies known as women. So they will definitely come to defend him again
PJ2 on the other hand, seems to consist of projared incels and autistic Strix fans. So if Holly starts shitting on him, it's probably gonna cause a civil war on there too.
Heidi wouldn't give Holly the time of day beyond a "See? I fuckin' told you he was awful", especially after Holly spent the better part of a year screaming about what an abusive
whore Heidi apparently is.
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They are complete creeps as well.
KiwiFarms being full of raging incels who are pissed at the world with literally nothing being off limits is nothing new, Anon.
You think we're bad here? This place is a fucking kindergarten classroom at naptime compared to KF.
Regardless, they need to leave Nulyu the fuck alone. Harassing him isn't going to magically make him release some secret side to the story.
I'm banking on this eventuality hitting sooner rather than later, seeing as it doesn't look like DCA is ever gonna come back with jared, which would also be the end of strix and diath. Without diath, jared is just… jared.
Suddenly his abnormally large head and elongated fourth grader body won't seem so magical in her eyes.
Supposedly Jared saw PJThrowAway23 in March 2018 during EGLX.
and supposedly Heidi approved of an encounter.
Jared said "homewrecker" is an antiquated term. Okay fair enough maybe.
Still makes you a fucking shitty person. Unless they are your family just stay out other people's relationships, abusive
but Jared and Holly saw each other another time before October 2018https://youtu.be/PtUscw5tfsY
and Heidi saw Nulyu again aswellhttps://twitter.com/DTJAAAAM/status/1005304863067136001?s=20
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Also the closest thing to Holly and Ross having any sort of non-platonic contact, even then I think kissing is as far as it went
6 years of marriage and he was basically friend-zoned for the entirety of it.
I can see why Ross is being more stubborn in their divorce proceedings.
Stop trying to equate the two, it's not that difficult to comprehend. >Bad looks, Good personality = fine>Bad looks, Bad personality = fair game for ridicule because you have no redeeming qualities
Holly's the clown here because when Heidi and Jared got together, as far as she knew she was marrying a good dude with a good personality. When Holly and Jared got together it was because she chose to be a terrible person with another person who was choosing to be terrible. It's the same reason we mock Holly's looks, but we don't mock Ross for being with her because again as far as he knew he chose someone with redeeming qualities.
PJ2 stans seem to believe Ross encouraged Holly+Jared.
I don't believe this is true, but IF it is then…
I would imagine Ross really just wanted Holly to be with anyone else but him, just to get rid of her.
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I love that her bio says "maker of @trashcoven", once again her taking credit for something that she did MINIMAL work on (Kayla does the vast majority of the marketing and shit)
Do you know where you are, anon? It's nothing new. We talk about cows' appearances all the time. Cows are cows, but it's especially more funny when they're ugly cows who think they're the best looking things to ever grace the planet.>>884517
This. They're both ugly as hell but love the smell of their own shit which is why people bring up their looks so much.>>884777>medievalist
Didn't this bitch complain when she went to Ireland or some shit because they weren't playing the stereotypical medieval music?
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I thought Holly took a shower but apparently this is someone else. :/
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Heidi and Ross should have totally should have got together really and left their rat faced backstabbing spouses behind.
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this bird has probably got more action with Holly than Ross ever did.
>" I believe it was just when in-character or related to the D&D stuff"
So, when Hoelly was texting Jared about all of the sexual positions she wanted while in their costumes, that was just them "in-character"?
That still doesn't make it okay to say/do when you're both married to other people and your spouse has specifically asked you NOT to do it with that person.
>"Holly was trying to help a friend out of abuse, sure"
Again, this is bullshit. Holly admitted to Heidi that she called her abusive because she was mad that Heidi yelled at her, not because she actually thought she WAS abusive.
>"Understandably angry, but also a pointless thing to say."
How is it pointless for a wife to tell her husband's mistress to knock off her pursuit of a relationship because she wanted her husband to think of HER, not the mistress, while she was having sex with him?
>"Holly and Jared see each other a few times between February and October for DCA games."
And all of the "after therapy fuck sessions" that Heidi mentioned - but hey, let's pretend Hoelly and Jared's sweet and innocent, amirite?
>" Jared "makes several attempts to leave"
Then he should have left - no "attempts". If he's as miserable as he claims he was, you pack your shit and you leave - You don't ask for your wife's permission first.
>" Heidi gave him, stress, paranoia, and headaches"
Yes, how dare she ask her husband to be faithful and bang literally ANYONE but Hoelly Conrad? WHAT A BITCH, CAUSING HIM NOTHING BUT STRESS!!! /s
"Jared should have just left"
Okay Heidi probably should have "just left" all the times Jared mistreated her too then.
This is the dumbest pissing contest istg. You're comparing two people who were at different points mentally and emotionally. It just doesn't work and I would like to remind you that marriage is not a long term relationship where you can just call it quits once your partner pisses you off enough. It is legally binding and even with a dissolution costs a pretty penny. I wish people would start to actually register that (Jared included).
Jared would of been the one out of the two who should of picked his balls up and left if he was so unhappy. He is the one proclaiming that he supposedly wanted to leave in October but wouldn't because he was going to be outed for being a cheat, etc. Heidi even with how uncomfortable she was being made still wanted to work things out in October. If Jared was genuinely serious and unhappy with his marriage he shouldn't of cheated first, and he shouldn't have sat around giving his wife mixed signals like sleeping next to her, kissing her on New Years and promising the following year would be better, etc.
In Heidi's case she has stated that marriage was important and something to be worked on. She wasn't completely unwilling to work on things and try to better their relationship until it became clear Jared was not going to try and was doing anything he could to call it quits. In her case as well she was being gaslit. The thing about being gaslit is that you don't know how bad you have it until it all basically gets put on the table. So it doesn't make sense why she who actually values marriage and was willing to work on it would be the one to just be like "lol kthxbai".
Doesn't work that way, Heidi was the helpless victim
mindlessly in love, she had no free will. - Some whiteknight probably.
You're right though.
Here's the difference:
Jared was abused by Heidi saying "Don't fuck that one specific person, I don't care if you fuck other women though"
Heidi was abused when Jared spent MONTHS gaslighting her ("You accusing me hurts ME that you don't trust me!" while he was actively cheating on her) and fucking other women while keeping her financially dependent on him and threatening her (including the classic "If you go to that con, I'll divorce you")
Heidi wasn't perfect in all of this by any stretch of the word, but you're comparing apples and oranges.
lol I am not a white knight.
the whiteknights are the beta neckbeards who are always commenting under Heidi's photos calling her the most "beautiful and pretty woman in the world" who act sympathetic thinking that defending her on social media is a one way ticket to her pussy.
I certainly have no sexual interest in men, and wouldn't go anywhere near Holly even if I was paid
Heidi would not accept the break-up from Jared.
But Jared was also too weak to put his foot down, sign the divorce papers and kick Heidi out.
My guess, too much sympathy on part of Jared. The hardest choices require the strongest wills, and his will wasn't very strong.
He was giving Heidi time to find a career, build stable income and move out on her own.
But with the lingering emotions they had for each other, this ended up not being practical.
>"It sounds like she didn't want to accept what he was saying"
Or maybe she thought "I swore 'through good times and bad' and I meant it". After all, if Jared wanted a divorce so fucking bad, he could have filed back when he first started saying "I want a divorce".
A divorce does not require the husband AND wife to agree before filing - Heidi could NOT force him to stay in a marriage if he wanted out that badly. Instead of spending months agreeing to try counseling and trying to make it work, he could have just as easily went down to the courthouse and filed the fucking papers himself (or gotten a lawyer to do it for him). >>885205
>"Heidi would not accept the break-up from Jared"
Because he blustered on about wanting a divorce, and then would agree to try and make things work. If he TRULY wanted to break up, why did he wait until May 2019 to file? And before yall throw up the "She threatened to ruin his career!", I'd say the whole "running 7 porn blogs and receiving nudes from minors and fucking other fans at cons" is what ruined his career, not Heidi pointing out that he can't keep his weird worm dick in his pants.
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-Jared wouldn't let Heidi go to Twitch Con
Then why didn't he just leave? I don't understand this narrative you're spinning at all. >>885205
anon that's not how marriage works lmao. But yeah Jared is just too much of a nice boi that was the problem. It wasn't that he was fucking a married woman behind her back. Heidi is just too mean.
fucking another woman who was and I believe still is legally married to Ross O'Donovan, but at the very least were legally seperated and for all intents and purposes, no longer a romantic couple.
Jared and Heidi are in seperate houses, but definitely are no longer a romantic couple or even friends in any sort of capacity, so I don't think it's possible for them to cheat on each other at this point.
Exactly. Anyone who says "If you go to this con, I'll divorce you" and actually means it, is an asshole. She's not property - She should've been able to go to something she was interested in (where he would also be, btw) without fear of losing her marriage over it.>>885260
>"were legally seperated and for all intents and purposes, no longer a romantic couple"
It literally does not matter if Hoelly was separated from Ross or not. Heidi was NOT separated from Jared and she said "I'm not comfortable with you fucking Holly", Jared said "I won't" and then proceeded to pursue a relationship anyway.
>"I don't think it's possible for them to cheat on each other at this point"
Until that divorce is finalized, that shit is cheating. It doesn't matter since Washington is a no-fault state, but it's still a skeezy thing for a guy who said "I never cheated on my wife!" to so openly flaunt the fact that he's still technically cheating on his legal wife.
It's tasteless but at this point everyone knows about his affair and it'd be even stupider for him to bother and hide it (also Holly would probably sperg out about being a secret still). It's not like Heidi wants his sorry ass back, anyway. They may not be divorced but they're officially separated with divorce proceedings underway. Their relationship is over and it'd be dumb for either of them to keep up pretenses while waiting for it to be finalized.
Besides, Ross has been openly dating his new gf for months and he won't even sign his divorce papers kek.
Friend, Ross' divorce was finalized last month finally.
Also, I'm not suggesting that they pretend like they're still a couple, but Jared could at least not publicly rub his relationship with his mistress in everyone's face until their shitshow is finalized (and chances are, by then, he'll be bored and fucking the next unogirl and have ditched Holly)
Nah she was high key out of his league; but (without the knowledge that he would someday be a cheating pedo skeezebag) he might have had some redeeming personality qualities that evened the field for her.
Holly on the other hand has seen all the ugly personality traits first hand, the cheating, and the pedo shenanigans and STILL wants that worm d. But then again, she ISN'T out of his league. They're both in the same league at the mid-bottom tier of the barrel. (One slightly elevated from bottom tier by money, the other by popularity)
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Earliest photo together I believe.
Still way out of his league.
My guess how it wrong.
2011-They meet and begin dating
2014-They get married
2015-Just one year later, Jared starts trading nudes with fans. He was starting to get bored of Heidi.
2017-Heidi is the one who initiates polyamory, as for exact reason why, that is unclear, neither side really explained why.
2019-Broken Marriage out of ten
My personal theory is that Jared snorts crack. It's how he able to keep up that "ProJared" energy for so long at con panels, but it also made him stupid enough to take a huge downgrade with Holly.
Heidi may have not be perfect, but Holly is way worse.
My guess, Holly was and is just easy sex and is willing to do the more crazy moves.
>>885377>2015-Just one year later, Jared starts trading nudes with fans. He was starting to get bored of Heidi.
You almost had a good timeline going, almost. People don't trade nudes because of boredom just like most (normal) people don't send them outta boredom.
>My guess, Holly was and is just easy sex and is willing to do the more crazy moves.
This is why a lot of women leave/cheat on men too, generally a guy willing to do more. So this sounds like the main reason.
This is usually the case, especially if you open things up/consent to it. Like there's LITERALLY a definition for people "spicing things up" with outside people lol.
Which some people like: >>885410
anon clearly doesn't understand.
I personally don't see it right, but I just find it odd "boredom" would be the trigger
, especially barely a year later? Nudes is literally a social thing at this point (especially around the height of snap's popularity) it's just something people do and trading nudes was clearly agreed to by both of them. Even Heidi admits it, so her white knights can't try to deny Jared was alone in the decision making.
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Arin so so fucking insufferable
Jared said it was an
"unhealthy attempt to solve deeper issues that developed within our marriage".
and that "whether to make her own actions feel justified or because she genuinely believed it would help me build self-esteem, Heidi suggested that I engage with other women".
Heidi in a text log with one her friends said that Jared did have some self-esteem issues, after all he had a toothpick body figure so I can see why. But that's his fault, use your youtube money to get a gym membership or some weights. Ross makes time to work out don't see why Jared can't.
I do feel like Jared was also insecure about Heidi being out of his league. Jared was paranoid about any interactions she had with other men.
But unlike Heidi who also seemed to be insecure, tried to micromanage and dictate Jared's interactions. While Jared just proceeded to get more and more distant "stone-walling" as Heidi calls it, as she proceeded to date other guys during the time they were polyamorous. Distant from Heidi while getting closer to Holly, which is when the Feb'18 disaster happened.
Then between Feb18-Oct18 is kind of a vacuum and we don't have much insight to.
Heidi says Jared wouldn't talk to Heidi about problems they were having.
Jared said she "continued to have relationships with other partners".
Did she though? No tangible proof, but that might just be Jared's insecurities and that's what he believed.
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this author contradicts himself all the damn time. He complains about gameplay, but then that games shouldn't have story and only have gameplay. Well what do you fucking want, then? Stop playing videogames.
And of course Arin defends the nitpicker who is never satisfied because it probably mirrors how he's so grumpy all the time about games, because he's also bad at them.
UGG is this harmless, well priced indie game that's made everyone genuinely have fun and be happy for the short duration of it. For myself, other youtubers and personal friends, it didn't shove instructions down your throat, it gave you creative ways to do tasks, and it's aesthetically pleasant with clean visuals and nice music.
I mean yes Arin is entitled to an opinion but we are also entitled to ignore it.
Well, we know Jared fucked unogirl at a con in March 2018 and apparently Heidi was unaware though Jared insists Heidi was aware of and encourage all interactions he had with other women.
I just find it hilarious that this happened after his feelings talk with Holly so he clearly doesn’t give a shit and will get his dick wet at any opportunity.
Jared is nothing but a user. He used Heidi, he used the fans he solicited for nudes and sex, and it’s likely he’s using Holly and already has someone on the back burner.
Shitty Gamer Takes is a cow on her own, but holy fuck Arin… Why do you even play video games? Or have a YouTube based on playing video games? Sure, it's a chore for you
because you chose to rely on playing games as your primary source of income, but for everyone else it's not lol. Get a job, Arin.
Holly abused Ross for years so any emotional harm she receives now is karma.
and dating isn't committment though. Being married and sharing a house is different.
Also I am fairly certain that UnoGirl or PJThrowAway23 doesn't even exist.
Jared never mentioned her in YBLT.
Heidi never mentioned unogirl in her stream.
lol you're obviously a man because of >>885383
post. anon saying jared was bored refers to heidi, not that he was bored on his day off or something and decided to take up nudes as a hobby. then you said right after that he was fucking holly cause he was bored with heidi sexually.
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Heidi acknowledged the reddit thread so it’s not something that was made up during the height of the drama. This was also discussed months ago.
There were also a bunch of gross, but thankfully censored Jared nudes that uno girl released when she spoke out against Jared.
Unogirl wasn’t mentioned in the video or stream because she’s irrelevant in the scheme of things.
Heidi directed friends at first when she thought it was just consenting adults - not when she thought he was having sexual conversations with those who apparently piqued his sexual interest.>>885445
>"Trading nudes was clearly agreed to….can't try to deny Jared was alone in the decision making"
There's a difference between running a body positivity blog, and soliciting nudes for your own personal use and then carrying on into sexual-based conversations with your fans.>>885453
Let me stop you there. Anything Jared says can't really be trusted at this point, since he's shown that he will lie whenever necessary to cover his own ass - be it to his wife, to Holly, to his fans.
>"Whether to make her own actions feel justified"
Or maybe she knew Jared was already fucking around and thought that if she reframed it as poly and that she was okaying it, it would be easier to tolerate and less likely that Jared would bail on their marriage.
>"Jared was paranoid about any….with other men"
Then he should've been more understanding about Heidi's suspicions with him and Holly (after all, her suspicions turned out to be true).
>"Unlike Heidi….who tried to micromanage and dictate Jared's interactions"
You mean like ProDick did when he told Heidi that if she went to TwitchCon he'd divorce her?
>"That's how Jared flipped her to change her story"
That or he slapped her with a lawsuit like everyone in the free world knows he did with all of the smaller youtubers who made videos against him (that were all "mysteriously" taken down with a roughly 48 hours time period)
>"When Heidi commented about Uno's clarification she just said "I don't owe her my story" and didn't deny it."
Nor should she have to 'deny' rumors of her husband being unable to keep it in his fucking pants. I think Heidi may have given him the go ahead to sleep with unogirl - but the sheer amount of fans he was sexting with over snapchat and on tumblr went way above and beyond what she thought.
Well, 48 hours after he posted his own video to be fair. Their videos were up for 3 months. And Uno girl said herself the reason she turned around is because Heidi left her to think he cheated with her and then Jared showed her some proof so she went all reverse on Heidi (yeah, sorry for the terrible pun there) and was like defending him on PJ2 and all every time someone will bring her up.
Also, again for all the fellow PhDs in Law - you shouldn't be afraid of a lawsuit if you have said the truth cause that's the ultimate protection vs slander and libel.
>"Their videos were up for 3 months"
Exactly. Videos that were up for 3 months all suddenly came down within 48 hours of each other? Is that NOT suspicious to you?
>-insert your mention of unogirl here-
Unogirl mentioned in her first post that she was head-over-heels that he would pay attention to her in the first place and that it hurt when he cut off contact (which Heidi said he did to her, and was doing to holly). He could have told her that Santa Clause approved the relationship and unogirl probably would've bought it.
>"You shouldn't be afraid of a lawsuit if you have said the truth cause that's the ultimate protection"
Yeah? Is it going to protect the person from the THOUSANDS of dollars that it takes to fight a court case? Hell, when it cossts a few hundred dollars for a 60 minute consultation, that money racks up fast.
Keep in mind Jared at the time had no income and 50% of his assets are going to Heidi and she said it will last her only
for a year, I seriously doubt that he is that loaded. If you file a lawsuit against someone, you have to pay the original fee to the court entirely on your own, right. And again, why not in the previous months. I'm tinfoiling here, fam, but seems way more likely most of these youtubers were shamed for not reaching out to him (that's what he accused them of, right) in first place. Like Franco's fans started doing by asking for a response? He was easy pickings when he wasn't replying and was mute to the world.
Jared might not be loaded, but his new dumber-than-a-box-of-rocks mistress is flush with her grandpa's inheritance. Seeing how as she sacrificed her reputation for wormdick, I don't doubt for a second that she'd pay for a lawyer/lawsuits in Jared's defense.
>"seems way more likely most of these youtubers were shamed for not reaching out to him"
Nah, the only ones he accused of not reaching out were H3H3 and Philly D, ironically both of whom still have their videos on Jared on their channels - mayhaps because they're bigger channels that Jared can't scare into submission?
>"He was easy pickings when he wasn't replying and was mute"
Dude was easy pickings because he's a fucking idiot and because his mistress can't leave her mouth shut for more than two seconds at a time.
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first amendment is a thing, Jared can't force anyone to take down shit>>885693
um the biggest YouTuber of them all did not take down his videos about ProJared and kind of defended him but was mostly nuetral about it. https://youtu.be/lHB9yzsQGnY
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Bowblax, a relatively small drama channel but still gets raised eyebrows from the likes of Keemstar, has not taken his ProJared videos down, and he was pretty aggressive to him
>"Jared can't force anyone to take down shit"
Yeah, he can actually. Like other anon said, first amendment just means that you can say whatever you want (within reason) - It doesn't mean that there won't be ramifications for it.
>"The biggest YouTuber of them all did not take down"
You can't use a dude who regularly caters to his white supremacist fanbase as a good example. PewDiePie is a shit example of "WELL THIS GUY DIDN'T TAKE HIS VIDEO DOWN AND HE DEFENDED JARED!"
Someone who is essentially a nazi isn't exactly a great reference.>>885729
>"Still gets raised eyebrows from the likes of Keemstar"
You mean the dude who has been pro-projared since the beginning, calling Heidi a whore repeatedly? Of course Jared didn't go after the dude who's on his side.>>885741
You're right - 48 hours was an exaggeration, but they DID all start coming down insanely fast and all within roughly the same time frame.
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Holly's been plotting to destroy their marriage for the past 6 years, talk about persistence.
I wouldn't necessarily say she was plotting, but I think she's been a legitimately terrible human being for a long time.>>885962
>"he met Holly like twice and that he doesn't believe she'd be capable of this"
I mean, in all fairness, Heidi straight up lived with Holly for awhile (iirc) and didn't think she was capable of this.
everyone hid something at first.
Holly was stupid to draw any attention to herself, trying to use her clout to shut up Heidi before things got big. Thinking fame would be on her side, when Heidi has the power of beauty charisma as well as thousands of thirsty whiteknight betas on her side.
Heidi hid polyamory at first because she knew people would not be as sympathetic if they knew she was dating other men during the time of her marriage. To the general non-tumblr types, polyamory is just cheating with permission. But I have my opinions on poly, you can have yours, personally I have no interest in it.
Jared hid the details of why they were divorcing, but at the end of the day marriage is the number#1 cause of divorce.
He could have been honest from the start "We are getting divorced because I cheated on my wife and she found out", then it'd seem like he is bragging about it.
I think everyone made mistakes here, the biggest was any of them making any sort of public posts. Sure they may have good intentions, but when you start a war, there will be destruction.
>"Heidi hid polyamory at first because she knew people would not be as sympathetic if they knew she was dating other men during the time of her marriage."
No, Heidi hid the poly because that has no baring on the fact that Jared went and fucked someone that he explicitly told Heidi that he wouldn't….oh, and that someone happened to be married to someone else herself who ran in the same social circles.
>"Polyamory is just cheating with permission"
Except it's not, and that successful poly relationships are a lot more complicated and are NOT the get-out-of-jail bang-who-you-want card that Jared and his stans are trying to make them out to be.
>"Jared hid the details of why they were divorcing"
And straight up made it out to be a mutual parting, when it is anything but. It doesn't help that within minutes of him posting it on twitter, his mistress went and publicly put her two cents "I'm here if you need me, I'm sorry you're going through this even though I've been wanting yall to split since at least December" post.
>"I think everyone made mistakes here, the biggest was any of them making any sort of public posts"
I don't know, I think Jared's TRUE downfall was the shit he tried to get away with in private i.e. the seven nudes blogs and fucking fans at cons.
Asking your partner to be polyamorous is this.
"You aren't good enough, you can only fulfill some of my needs and I need someone else to fulfill the rest of my needs".
Isn't that the reason people cheat, because their primary partner just isn't enough?
>>885975>I wouldn't necessarily say she was plotting, but I think she's been a legitimately terrible human being for a long time.
If Holly goes to prison for all the sick and twisted shit she did (both related and unrelated to marriages) that would be bittersweet.
Either that or wrapped in rubber and locked in a padded cell.
Just lock her up.
That may be true.
But Heidi's own lack of transparency throughout the scandal, omitting information that would put more blame on herself, never talking about her own extramartial relationships during her stream, contradicting herself multiple times, and being caught lying makes me doubt that communication and transparency was a courtesy she always provided Jared with during their marriage.
That is speculation though! We have proof Jared did in fact lie to and gaslit Heidi for months. Did Heidi ever extend that courtesy to Jared at some point? We don't know for sure.
In any case it's best for both of them that the relationship is over now.
Although I do miss the good old days seeing them in photos and videos together where they looked so happy together. But usually when couples make out their relationship to be that way on social media it's because behind closed doors it's usually the opposite.
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last social media interaction, welp
>"Heidi's own lack of transparency"
What lack? The fact that she didn't mention that they were poly which is no one's business because what Jared was doing in fucking Holly was NOT poly?
>"Never talking about her own extramarital relationships"
Maybe because it doesn't matter. Jared clearly condoned her having a LDR with this other person, which is what happens in a poly situation. Fucking someone your wife has explicitly said "Hey, please don't" isn't the same as having a relationship with someone that your husband is apparently okay with.
Probably because, at first, it was a harmless in character relationship. When they made it a real life deal, that crossed several lines.>>886065
Ironic. ProPedo is the epitome of Small Dick Energy™
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Everything that happened between Jared and Holly
-THE WORLD MUST KNOW
Whatever happened between Heidi and her partners
-Doesn't matter not relevant, she can take as many Ds from other guys as she wants as long as Jared approves (which is fault on him as well)>>886075
I accidently deleted.
So she supported it at first.https://66.media.tumblr.com/f16d694900b14a382a680f52f958ec6d/tumblr_inline_ptiio5GQ4s1wfnixl_1280.png
But in her own stream she says she was [[trying]] to be supportive, but was actually uncomfortable with it. Maybe don't pretend to support something you are against?
Then she gives them space to talk in private and then flips shit the next day because she doesn't know what happened.
Hindsight is 2020 of course. But maybe she should have just, talked with them? She also mentions in her stream that Holly was like maybe
violating Ross's boundaries.
I feel like the conversation that happened that night should have been the three of them together, or maybe wait until all FOUR of them got together to talk.
Transparency and Privacy are opposites, don't offer complete privacy and then expect complete transparency.
Why didn't Heidi ever speak to Ross once? She doesn't confirm or deny directly speaking to him about this. She complains in her stream about "They aren't clearing this with all parties", even though she didn't even communicate to Holly's spouse. Maybe she felt it wasn't her responsibility, though it would be curteous nonetheless.
My guess is that she thought if she did tell Ross herself then Holly and Ross would break up and then it would bring Holly closer to Jared, which is what eventually happened.
So who is at fault?
All of them, except Ross.
Open Relationships and love triangles almost always end in disaster, monogamy is the best way to go, Heidi said it herself.https://atelierheidi.tumblr.com/post/150883841640/bi-visibility-question-if-you-and-jared-were
Actions, whatever the intention may be, will always consequences. The only one who basically did nothing was Ross. He won the game by just not playing. In that same spirit, so will I.
Don't get me wrong. Hoelly Cuntrad is pretty at fault here too, mental health doesn't excuse her shitty actions. People try to say mass shooters are "just mentally ill" and "need help", yeah they might just have mental problems but they are still a menace to society, just like Holly Conrad. I hope she does gets life in prison for scamming cancer patients and then rots in the lowest depths of hell.
What I would probably
done differently in the situation.
-If I was Heidi, demand Jared leave DCA or I leave the marriage. If Jared choses DCA over Heidi then it should be obvious where his priorities are.
-If I was Jared, leave DCA and cut off Holly for good, that is if my wife happened to be my priority over my career.
Sigh what could have been.
-Holly, I don't do love triangles and honestly couldn't care less about other people's relationships, especially if they are just friends and not family. I can't be bothered to play "Captain Save-a-Hoe", call me selfish I guess.
Easiest way to get friend out of abusive
relationship: Don't be there friend
((As if telling the fucking married side-hoe to stay away from her husband is abusive
If Holly stayed clear from Jared's marriage then we wouldn't have the May 2019 shitshow, DCA would still be around, Jared would be in Normal Boots and this thread wouldn't exist!
So basically this shitshow happened because Jared wasn't committed to his wife, and Holly couldn't stay out of their marriage.
But additionally because Jared wasn't satisfied with being married that he had to run porn blogs and trade nudes with dozens if not hundreds of fans, of course at least one underage liar was bound to crawl in. But he did apologize about the power imbalance, of course, as if his 500k+ sub count at the time the blogs started wasn't a good enough indicator.
>"-THE WORLD MUST KNOW"
It's not that people give a fuck, it's that hoelly can't leave her mouth shut for two seconds and constantly waves their relationship around like she won a prize for anything other than #1 Supreme Dumbass of 2019.
>"But maybe she should have just, talked with them?"
Right, because it had gone so well thus far when Jared told her he would break it off with Holly and then proceeded to meet up with/fuck her after each of his therapy sessions.
>"She also mentions in her stream that Holly was like maybe violating Ross's boundaries."
I think in her texts with Holly where Holly specifically says "I'm going to tell Ross everything", implying that she had been hiding it from him, it proves that it wasn't "maybe" but that she was definitely violating Ross's boundaries.
>"Why didn't Heidi ever speak to Ross once?"
Because Jared had convinced her that Ross was mad at her for preventing the Jared/Holly relationship from going forward.
nice effortpost, wk.
the marriage has ended and this has no point but keep digging digging digging for that tidbit that proves Heidi somehow did or didn't do something.
Jared had complete agency over flashing his dick around btw.
>>886118>I don’t buy it. I don’t care WHO the party was for, but if I suddenly discovered I harbored sexual feelings towards someone that was NOT my husband, telling him would probably take priority over a fucking party.
Probably because that sounds like a conversation best had in person
>maybe jared wanting to pork her was a surprise, but it's practically a given she was emotionally cheating on ross long before that.
Wanting to, and intention to do so are so different. And Heidi in her stream admits Jared wasn't going to make a move on Holly because "she's not in an open relationship"
>Because Jared had convinced her that Ross was mad at her for preventing the Jared/Holly relationship from going forward.
She was just taking Holly and Jared's word for it, and by extension would also be hiding their relationship from Ross if they did pursue something. Which Jared didn't want to pursue until Heidi suggested they escalate.
I mean if they intended to have sex without permission of their spouses, wouldn't they have just… done it sooner?
Assuming they didn't of course.
Okay so it goes like
mid to late 2017:
Jared and Heidi go polyamorous.
Diath/Strix ship becomes a thing. Heidi supports it, Jared keeps doing it because she thinks his wife is okay with it.
1) Heidi tells them "You have permission to do whatever you want to", that this means is entirely up to interpretation.
2) Jared and Holly go on a walk. Holly tells Jared she is madly in love with him.
3) Awkward breakfast next morning
4) Holly goes to Anna's party
5) Jared and Holly supposedly start sexting about the ways they'd bang each other, which If they were both just scumbag cheaters they would have did with or without permission anyway. Strange this wasn't mentioned in the chat logs between Holly and Heidi. https://imgur.com/gallery/61PBric
But don't get me wrong Heidi was free to pull the plug for any reason, especially after finding out Holly loved Jared more than she loved Ross (p.s. she didn't).
6) Heidi says "No" because they supposedly started sexting while pending permission from Ross, understandable.
Heidi - Well she made some wrong choices maybe, she watched it happened, wasn't sure what to do. But she was just on the sideline.
Holly - Loving someone that isn't your married spouse is always pretty shitty. She is going to get karma for all the bullshit she put Ross through I hope, that 3 month intermission period wasn't enough she deserves worse.
Jared-Kinda seems like he was just undecided and uncommitted to either of the two, Heidi even says this in her stream.
Ross-Didn't deserve this BS.
I am sure Jared still thinks about her too.
The amount of time they spent together.
The minimal but memorable contribution she had to his career.
On YouTube he seemed most productive 2014 and 2015, the first year they were married.
His own hesistance to just do the divorce much sooner.
He was hurt too I am sure, he just had different coping methods (one of them was Holly), and does a better job hiding it.
But Heidi admits the last time they were in the house together he was in tears.
But well, it just wasn't meant to last forever.
>"I'm sure Jared still thinks about her too"
Probably about the way his career wouldn't be in tatters if he'd just listened to his wife and (A) quit doing the nude blogs after a certain point like she asked and (B) refrained from fucking Holly.
>"He was hurt too I am sure"
The dude's downfall came by his own actions. He doesn't get to claim that he's "hurt" when he caused so much harm to others.
>"Heidi admits the last time they were together he was in tears"
A lot of emotionally abusive
people use tears as a manipulation tactic, as a "You can't be mad at me for hurting you - Look how sad I am!" kind of thing.
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thats where she'll be tommorow
how about she not be a worthless, lying manipulative abusive
And? She's a shit person, but she should still be able to go out and do things without someone like you displaying borderline stalkerish behavior. >>886462
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sorry I was just trying to be edgy
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>>886524>cow producing milk
Damn so you are saying the best we can do is just watch?
Lame but good point I guess. I have been trying to follow other internet dramas but this particular one has
So far the holy trinity has provided months of entertainment, but sadly the story is done. Enjoying 2019's drama while it lasts until 2020 comes back and the only thing trending is politics and the election.
>>886527>>Damn so you are saying the best we can do is just watch?
Yes. Don't cowtip is the first rule of lolcow. That means observe from the sidelines without getting involved.
Trying to get anons to run to a cow's location to stalk and harass for a drop of milk is not only against the rules, but also pathetic.
On another note, I personally find Heidi's sperging the most enjoyable in this cow hat-trick. Her relevancy is fading and she can't help but "feel the need to vent" to try and stay in the limelight for a bit longer. Jared acting like nothing has happened / is annoyingly smug and deluded as if he's gotten away with it and everyone's forgotten and he's some kind of hero for "beating cancel culture". What a shit show kek.
They're all so self-important thinking theyre all the underdog hero of the situation, but at the end of the day are just a bunch of ugly nerds airing their flaws and mental issues online to try and get people to like them, when really they are all sealing their own fates on the same sinking ship of being known online as "that person who cheated on / that person who got cheated on / that homewrecker" for ever.
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Okay I will make a different version with links and citations, for now I made one with just graphics.
Soon I will discover the truth!
Soon I will find out why the 2 relationships with these 4 individuals who don't even know I exist broke apart and then my life will be complete!!
Fuck trying to find the cure to cancer, I will spend the rest of my life trying to get to the bottom of this cheating scandal!
Sure, that's the reason to explode the scandal in May. But now it's October and they have been in divorce proceedings for at least 5 months now, closing to 6 and she mocked and laughed at her husband and his public career for cheap likes already in June (or July) when she didn't think he can pull off a return. At this point he ain't flaunting, he is just living without
Heidi's permission or approval. Remember how he blocked her in May? She should stop checking in on him with her alts and possibly block Holly (if she is still unblocked) too.
You know things are getting wrong for her when she is doing the exact thing we were laughing at Holly for 3 months and saying "She should stop tweeting and get off the internet and stop looking for hateful messages"
She was being aggressive because her husband who she loved had been emotional manipulating and lying to her for months. Then when she thinks he is out of her life for good he comes back and finds out as soon as she gets off a plane while on vacation.
>But she threatened his career!
-Yes neither are blameless here. Jared could have possibly found a way to formally break up with her first but unfortunately he simply couldn't wait to put his dick into something, I don't even think it had to be Holly specifically.
That may be.
The thing is everyone in the holy trinity plays the victim
Always pointing out what the other person did, not enough taking responsibility for what they did.
Heidi hid the fact she was used blackmail and was dating a black male.
Holly initially denied even being involved when she knew damn well she played quite a role (But I think Jared lied to her about what Heidi knew). "Heidi doesn't want me to have sex with her husband - yikes she is so abusive
Jared denies being a cheater even though he is for all intents and purposes and denies the emotional abuse he put Heidi through.
She might have been reffering to her local therapist.
If she is using a long distance therapist for very close distance problems, I wouldn't reccomend that. She probably can't afford a local one though.
2 hour long stream giving information about her relationship with Jared, Jared's relationship with Holly.
Then basically zero about her own extramarital partners.
Or who's idea it was to go polyamorous.
I just think it's really bias.
But Jared is worse for manipulating all the normal boots fangirls tricked into thinking he is attractive from playing asagao academy
>They're all so self-important thinking theyre all the underdog hero of the situation
That'll happen when you're even slightly
None of Heidi's extramarital partners begged
her to put an end to her marriage to be with them & only them. (From what we know)
Not to mention Heidi clearly tried to include Jared in her poly stuff.
The texts that Holly tried to "gotcha" her with.
Meanwhile Jared just went and fucked whatever girl he wanted and didn't want Heidi involved in anyway other than a solemn "okay you can"
Good point. We do know her anonymous friend is the one who encouraged her to leave Jared's bedroom.
But not like Holly were she was hell-bent on making it happen. She had a personal interest in Jared's cock.
anyway a bit offtopic from that
Jared, I just don't think he had or even still has strong feelings for Holly. If he did they didn't superceed his feelings for Heidi and ending his marriage and relationship much sooner. Heidi said Jared "treats her as badly as he treats me".
>"Heidi hid the fact she was used blackmail and was dating a black male."
An emotionally manipulated and abused person lashing out isn't blackmail - and what the fuck does the race of her poly partner have to do with anything?>>886706
Releasing her first name isn't doxxing. What anon did up there with releasing Holly's exact whereabouts? THAT was borderline doxxing.>>886743
Because it doesn't matter whose idea it was to go poly. When Heidi said "don't fuck this one specific person" and Jared did it anyway, it crossed the line from poly into just straight cheating.>>886750
Or moved from another state just to hit that worm dick.
I don't think anybody thought he WAS ghosting her - just that, like Heidi said he did to her, he might withhold attention from Holly when she says/does something he doesn't like
Besides, at this point - having blown up his marriage, his career, and what little reputation he had to start with - it'd be an idiot move to already drop the mistress who you did all of that for after just a couple of months.
So it’s Heidis fault that the internet is full of creeps who want to pretend to be amateur sleuths?
You can’t accuse someone of doxxing when all she did was list Sara’s name. It’s not on her that the internet doesn’t know when to stop.
>"Pretending she didn't do it on purpose"
Again, all she published was the lady's first name - and it's a super common first name, at that.
>"It's obvious inconsistency"
She finally starts publishing names because everyone was on her about hiding shit - and now she's getting shit for showing too much?
People like you just aren't going to be happy with Heidi, no matter what she does - but will praise Holly for publishing private sexts between Jared and Heidi.
>"Inconsistency in the texts released"
It literally does not matter. She released the texts that had anything to do with the shitstorm. What - do y'all want her to release conversations she had about lunch that day or her issues with her parents or something?
>"She censored other names there but not this one"
For all we know, "Sara" okayed the release of her name.
Heidi didn't even say what text therapy app she used. Someone else did.
Heidi didn't doxx anyone. That's like saying you doxx yourself by posting selfies with 1 floor tile showing
She didn't even give her therapist's last name. Plus, it's not like Sara is such
an uncommon name…
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>honk honk wait no don't tweet clown emojis at me uwu
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I mean….it's a character that terrorizes everyone around them and feels entitled to what's not theirs and just causes general destruction so I guess it's accurate? That fascinator looks awful though.
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How did we get here folks…..Suzy the goose dressed like a swan and Holly dressed like a goose? And Suzy is the one I look at and go "haha, cute, good for her" (obviously I know she's dressed as Bjork but I'm trying to make it like, poetic or something). I wonder if Holly's mad because only SHE'S allowed to do a bird thing!!!
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Ugh, Wizards of the Coast actually plugged Hoelly's brand in the interview with her skincrawler in the new D&D Dragon+ mag, complete with that cringe Cancelled shirt.
Nice to see how desperate Kayla is for Holly's approval that she'll just draw up whatever she even so much as ponders openly about. Hopefully one day she realizes just how much she's being used.
>"No-one was making the kinds of clothes they wanted to wear"
Yeah, because the rest of us actually give a fuck what we look like and would rather not wear a softer version of a literal trash bag if at all possible.
>"Here you go, I made it, let's put it on a shirt"
Well, when you have gamer girls selling their bath water, I guess Hoelly could be doing worse…
No one was making the clothes they wanted to wear because they’re just random ideas slapdashed together on typical clothingwear.
Kayla’s such an idiot. These designs and concepts are typical of every white girl who adopted a hot topic witch aesthetic in their early teens. It’s just LOLRANDUM11!!1 but instead of cookies it’s birds.
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>>887334>A bit far fetched to say obsessed with cosplay, since she hasn't really worked at cosplaying characters that aren't hers in a very long time
That's….still cosplay though? She's wearing the costume of a character, why would it being "hers" not make it cosplay? She's was literally the focus of a documentary about cosplay and appeared multiple times on a TV show about cosplay, she had a cosplay production company, the reason she got famous was for cosplay, and her only ""job"" for the past decade was basically being a cosplayer (until she was then able to leech off Ross and do nothing). It's extremely far fetched to say she's NOT obsessed with cosplay.>>887343
Yes, it's been discussed to death already, this is literally ancient milk. Go read the PULL thread synopsis if you need to be spoonfed her history.>>887299
So I went to try and look at Suzy's twitter (I don't follow her and I couldn't remember what it was) and when you search "Suzy Berhow" on twitter the first thing that comes up is this twitter account that's all shooped nudes of Suzy? I wonder if she's uhhhh aware
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The account>(not real Suzy)
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From Jareds infamous D&December 2019 video.
Most of the background was designed by Heidi, you can see the progress on her instagram probably more on twitter with enough digging.
Yet he was balls deep in Holly at this point.
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So I was curious about Suzy's locked account and apparently Katie caught wind and thinks any criticism of her obsession with Arin is from Snooze. I'm not sure if anybody posted this another thread so I'm saging.
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Heidi still credits Jared for the photos he took.
Jared didn't even acknowledge Heidi's work here.
>>887103>Holly's done plenty of favors for him that she'll be more than happy to hold over him the very moment he starts to lose interest in her.
Holly published info that made people question Heidi's narrative.
But many drama channels did cover the polyamory and it was generally accepted both partners had some blame in it. But nobody was willing to go anywhere near the pedophilia allegations except for the Truth Blog (CupcakeValkyrie) and bernietxt(because they are edgy kids who welcome death threats), she shared the video thats about it.
Heidi made Jared's Diath costume yet he was still wearing it past October when he was fucking Holly.
Plus unlike when he was done with Heidi, Jared had to go through the process of divorce and moving her out.
When he breaks up with Holly all he has to do is block her number (oh and block her on Twitter!) and that's it.
Not an expert personally, but my guess is it's neither Jared or Heidi's priority to escalate the divorce proccess.
Heidi settled down and married Jared at a young age so she doesn't have much serious adulting experience.
Jared while more experienced, probably doesn't have the interest in speeding it up (I'm guessing). He wasn't in a rush to get it started back in October 2018 so I'd imagine even now he isn't in a rush to finish it.
No one said Heidi wasn't obsessed with cosplay? We literally weren't even talking about Heidi? You whiteknights will really take any discussion of Holly's flaws and try and turn it into >BUT HEIDI!!!!!!
stop being so obsessed with her, it won't make Jared love you more
Heidi has a good amount of white knignts too.
Like Treesicle who blindly defended her in his first two videos.
Or the more low-scale ones like someone named SwordOfHeidi who was spamming revenge porn
Her WKs are just as bad and would likely act rashly if rejected by her
Christ, you're literally doing it again. No one said Heidi didn't have whiteknights, no one was talking about Heidi>Holly's cosplay is >YEAH BUT HEIDI'S COSPLAY>Holly's whiteknights are>YEAH BUT HEIDI'S WHITEKNIGHTS>No one's talking about Heidi>YEAH BUT HEIDI>>887574
Right, because no one can lie about anything in their fake twitter bio where they're pretending to be someone they're not, using fake photos. We should definitely believe it when they say they're a mother of two. You should call CPS with your evidence anon.
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Even though their relationship was very unstable, toxic and miserable behind closed doors, Jared and Heidi sure did a good job at making it look like the opposite was true when showing their relationship to the public. They knew they were like a king and queen and had to set a good example for their fans.
Jared and Holly's couple photos will never look this cute. They haven't even posted a photo of them kissing each other yet, and I feel like that may never happen at least not for awhile. Not that they are under an obligation too. I don't even show off my relationships to social media personally, because it's well personal.
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Sorry for the cryptid tier pic, but they are hanging in the Marriott lobby at Blizzcon. I about had a heart attack when they walked in.
>Even though their relationship was very unstable, toxic and miserable behind closed doors, Jared and Heidi sure did a good job at making it look like the opposite was true when showing their relationship to the public.
Or maybe it wasn't toxic
and miserable when these pictures were taken. The cute photos stopped around the time Holly entered the picture>>887820
Oh sure, let's just brush aside abuse and trauma because hey, new relationship! Let's double date!
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This is in such poor taste, they really have no shame? This feels like when your ex shows up to a wedding that you guys RSVP'd to back when you were still together and you thought they would have the common sense to not show up and know they're not wanted, but they do and even worse they brought the homewrecker with them.>>887820>but you can't have bad blood forever
Why not? Why can't Ross have bad blood forever? There's no conceivable reason why he ever has to be ok with this, she's earned a life time supply of vitriol and then some for what she put him through, she deserves no forgiveness. It doesn't even seem like Holly has tried to make amends? She's never apologized for what she did, she's just denied she did anything wrong and then whined when people haven't forgiven her because "muh mental illness I deserve it im queer". Holly gets to be traumatized by her ~sooo tragic past~ her entire life and use it as an excuse to be a terrible person, but Ross is supposed to have gotten over this trauma in 5 months? Absolutely fuck off with this.>>887880>And the most autistic post award goes to yet another Holly and Jared fan.
seconding this nomination>>887715
God, Holly could never, she doesn't have the range. This just made me realize that Holly "#1 master professional cosplayer" can literally do like….2 looks and that's it>space bitch>trash goth
Heidi is literally cosplaying a character that looks like Holly, and looks better than Holly ever could lmao, what a mindfuck.
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So what happened to Holly’s photographers original account?
Not even just the trauma of the events leading up to the divorce, but the trauma of being married to Holly in itself. She even admitted she was abusive
to him and Ross has alluded that she suicidebaited him constantly. You don't just leave a relationship like that unscathed.
Probably looking to get a photo-op with him to go "See? We good!" so that they're fans can spam it to anyone who's concerned about him.
(Sage for tinfoil)
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She might be abusing Jared now as well
I cannot, for the life of me, understand how you could be sexually attracted to this man, but not Ross.>>887820
are you retarded, or just autistic?
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and he started streaming hours ago.
Unless they were checking out around this time instead of in.
optimistic for what? an abuse victim
""forgiving"" their abuser? are you ok?
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Heidi updated her profile picture, same costume she had in previous one except the photo was taken by herself and not Jared.
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Sage for minor stuff.
Ghoul grumps has been a fan favourite for years. Last year they just plain old forgot to do it, so they did "nightmare before xmas" to try to make up for it which comprised of scary christmas/winter themed games. This year they phoned it in completely. It started on a later date than usual, they reused their backwards messages, and they even used the nightmare before xmas heads in the thumbnail instead of ghoul grumps heads. They were completely lazy with it this year and it feels like they only did it because of the outcry last year.
they didn't even forget last year, Arin straight up said (in an episode that came out well before Halloween-time) that they could have done it but didn't feel like it. he said it wouldn't matter. He didn't realize other people actually did care, a lot. just another example of how out of touch they are with their fans… so many people love ghoul grumps.
They also said they don't like to play scary games so they don't enjoy it, but like, SkiFree and fucking Tungulus are not scary games. It's not like people want to watch them play P.T. every year. Even the Blair Witch game they played this year was pretty boring, mostly because Arin is so amazingly
bad at anything other than Yoshi's Cookie.
Ghoul Grumps is a lot of fans' favorite time of year, and it seems like they do the absolute bare minimum, just enough so they don't have to directly communicate with their subscribers. I unsubscribed and am only returning every week or so to watch Phoenix Wright. They're lucky that game has a following they can take advantage of
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Correction this is actually the first photo of Jared & Heidi together [Oni-Con 2012]. There may be some earlier ones out there but this is what I found.
Sage since not relevant to current events.
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nice to take a break from this shitshow, return to it and see the BiRd CoUpLe still being total cunts.
all is well with the world
(apologies for the size. just wanted to fit it all in one ss)
I love that she says disproven, when the only thing that was disproven was him blatantly asking for nudes from minors. He might not have asked, but he still received them from at least Chai/Charlie and god knows how many others - and all because PedoDick wanted to run a porn blog with his fucking username attached.
also just crazy big fan of the "THATS SEXIST" thing. Like it or not Hoelly, you fucked a married man - That makes you his mistress. Would you prefer side-piece? Side-ho? Adultress?
>"Oh shit, he's tweeting from prison"
Fam, I wouldn't be too keen on bragging that your Man got away with jacking it to nudes of minors.
When do you think Hoelly is going to realize that at 35+ years old, she's borderline boomer herself?
She's like the literal Baby Boomer who hears a new younger catch phrase and manages to ruin it.
Nice to see they embraced being openly shitty.
Gotta play it up for their new GG/CG fanbase after all.
so… like holly?
what i love most is she's acting like a boomer meme herself when she keeps calling other boomers for legitimately no reason kek
it'd be innocent if she wasn't so hatefully smug
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It's ridiculous how many people are still citing Jared's video as proof of his "innocence".
I won't really defend his actions but
1) Trading nuded with fans is an abuse of power, but this was intended for consenting adults. It's questionable, but not illegal. If NB/GG/WoTC want to not work with him again for that reason I can't blame them.
2) He technically kind of sort of in a way but not neccesarily I guess you could say cheated on his wife. It happens, nothing to be proud of but it happens.
3) Holly isn't mentally ill, she's just a dumbass. I don't defend any of her actions in this.
I don't have the time or interest to WK for them on Twitter. But I will be sure to watch Jared's FF5 review when it comes out. Idk about Holly, she's never been a particularly interesting content creator, before she piggybacked on Ross's fame and now it's Jared.
Haven’t been up to date since ages on this but holy shit, Jared looks like way too skinny and dead inside after all this.
I still don’t get it how he and Holly still continue to take on the role of the victims
while Heidi still has to suck it all up and gets totally treated like the only crazy Person of this whole group.
I’m not the first anon, but thanks, I’m good
Anyway. Less FaceTiming, more getting back to off-brand generic witch shit.(emoji)
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Heidi is a victim
of Jared's cheating but also polyamory, much like communism its an utopian idea that involves sharing, but humans by nature are not made to do such.
Holly is a victim
of her own stupidity, she would have saved herself alot of trouble by just not meddling in Jared's relationship, and just staying quiet on social media throughout everything. I doubt any reasonable person is going to sending Jared death threats over cheating, but for pedophilia…
Jared, is a victim
of his own horniness but also lies. C&C in different instances either lied or bent the truth for their personal (and financial) gain.
also pic related: Holly gave birth to the rats
Jared ain’t a victim
of fucking anything. He made his own potential-pedophile bed, pissed in it, and is now having to deal with the fall out.
That's what I wish someone would knock them upside the heads and yell at them.
Like, okay - go ahead and be a fucking smartass about the fact your boytoy jacked it to nudes of minors, Holly. That is NOT going to help your cause of bringing DCA back, and is in fact just proving that they did the right thing by distancing themselves from you and your probably-pedo-boytoy.
You'd think that, but given just how fucking many people officially involved with D&D still follow Holly on Twitter and interact with her, I'd almost say the only reason SHE isn't back is because she's refusing to do so without Jared.
(side note why does Penny Arcade even need a Patreon? Is their Megacorp still just not making them rich enough?)
If the giddiness was going to wear off, I expect it would have been when she was actively getting death threats (not that I condone them) early on, when she realized "Oh shit, the public isn't as head-over-heels for our uwu feelings as we are!"
When you look up "clingy psycho female", you'd see her picture.
what i don't understand is how quickly everyone dismisses the fact that even if jared did not send
dick pics to minors, he still encouraged pictures from them
what i also don't understand is why everyone forgets that even if you leave aside the whole minor-creeping bullshit (since it's welcomed some conflicting information), this jackass literally admitted to creeping on fans VIA USE OF TUMBLR PORN BLOGS (plural)
why is this acceptable and forgiven. the predatory degeneracy on display jesus and everyone is just brushing it off like "what do you want the man to do? starve?"
The only ones who've forgiven him are the nerdy incel fanboys who WISH they were in Jared's position before the scandal (making money from playing video games, married to a good looking woman who says "Hey, if you want to fuck other people? Go for it!", getting essentially unlimited nudes from his fans, fucking random fans at cons)
Anyone with two working brain cells doesn't want fuck all to do with ProPedo
I know it is unpopular opinion but maybe the 900k+ people still subbing to Jared fall into the following categories, which is why they are okay with still subbing and (some of them) defending him on Twitter:
1/ The exact fans that asked him to send him nudes. They don't see any problem with what happened except the "THEY LIED" chorus when someone mentions the minors. Personally I find it moronic that the same people yelling on twitter "stop defending him he won't fuck you" also don't forget to say "he fucked fans". Stop reminding them, ffs! Just gives them hope!
2/ Fans who didn't care enough for his personal life as long as he didn't get into "real" trouble - meaning actual law enforcement or courts got involved. Half a year after the fact it is quite difficult to argue that there is an investigation when there is no shred of any document that there is and the only other big youtube celebrity that faced similar scandal was arrested within the month when the first victim
spoke to authorities.
3/ Assholes that are like "I separate content from creator and don't fucking give a shit"
There ain't no way to make sense to these people if they didn't find it in May-July.
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>"900k+ people still subbing"
You realize the vast majority of those are probably bots and/or people who sub to boost numbers and then never again watch a video, right? If he was getting even a fraction of those 900k subscribers to watch his videos, he'd be making more than $60 a day (spoiler alert: he's getting on average, less than 20k views a day)
>"The exact fans that asked him to send him nudes"
Not to sound like a parent here, but if they asked him to shove Holly off of the brooklyn bridge, would that somehow make it okay for him to do so? He's a 30+ year old adult who should've known better than to send pictures of his weird dick to some randoms on the internet, especially when he has a modicum of fame attached to his name.
>"it is quite difficult to argue that there is an investigation when there is no shred of any document that there is"
Gee, I wonder why the police/feds might not be spreading the word that they're investigating someone, which would give them a way of deleting and/or hiding evidence and/or manipulating his accusers. Strange….
Well alot of people were "fans by extension". Like people who are fans of the Game Grumps and Ross may have seen him on Grumpcade and subbed to him because they were like a friend of a friend.
The allegations might be cleared but the GG fans are not going to resub because of the cheating scandal/Jared is probably never going to work with the Grumps again.
Not that its a problem for Jared, JonTron is fully independent now and is doing great.
Right, but it's made more complicated by the fact that the minors are in another state - Plus, cyber crimes like that (esp. that cross state lines) tend to go through federal agencies, not state (Plus, didn't at least one of the minors live in a whole ass different country?).
I'm not saying that there ARE any charges, but it's a bit ridiculous to assume that we, the general public, would know 100% about an investigation that is ongoing.
Right, because nothing screams "WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THIS PERSON!" quite like a good ole' fashioned doxxing.
Also, y'all are just being naive if you think a dude with SEVEN porn blogs stopped at lewd conversations with just the two more-vocal accusers.
i don't remember where i saw the caps (most likely on KF. i can look for it) but charlie OR chai did say they're preparing a case and are in talks with a lawyer. i'm not saying they can't be lying, just that if things haven't gone down yet it doesn't mean they won't in the future.
question – is it possible that the reason a federal investigation isn't taking place, or is slower than expected, is that chai/charlie (don't remember which) is no longer a minor? i mean, the point of concern was
sexual behavior being directed towards minors. if they're no longer a minor then the government kind of sees them not as much in "danger" anymore?
both of them are not minors anymore, but this is totally not a reason why there wouldn't be an investigation, especially if there is a threat that the influencer would do it again. Which was the case with that other dude that got arrested, investigated and sentenced.
I find it funny that it is so easy to believe that Jared made all those other youtubers take down their videos with legal threats and he wouldn't do that with the CC team. Especially when he had THE RECEIPTS. CC got their 15 minutes of fame and paypal donations, their favorite GG stars tweeted at them, all dreams come true, now they are both privated, deleted conversations and accusations and at least one of them has repeatedly created fake accounts to drop the trail of people following him for the drama. But sure, they are totally gonna sue the shit out of Jared. In 20 years when it no longer will mean a shit.
It depends on statute of limitations, which runs anywhere from 1 to 5 years, typically. It doesn't matter that the person in question is no longer a minor.
>"if they're no longer a minor then the government kind of sees them not as much in "danger" anymore?"
But the crime still took place when they WERE a minor - again, it all boils down to evidence and statute of limitations.>>889330
>"Jared made all those other youtubers take down their videos with legal threats and he wouldn't do that with the CC team."
Because most of the youtubers who took down their videos were relative nobodies.
>"CC got their 15 minutes of fame and paypal donations"
Right, because a couple of hundred of dollars in donations (IF there were any, which you do not know one way or another) is really worth the death threats that came their way.
>"now they are both privated, deleted conversations and accusations"
You mean like your lord and savior PedoDick deleted the porn blogs?
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Back on that “why are you doing this to us?!?” Bullshit
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Is this where we're supposed to feel bad for her?
"I don't believe in compassion from others anymore"
Bitch, you fucked a married man while being married yourself. You are wholy undeserving of compassion, you ignorant sow.
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sooooo. in this thread where people are just tripping over themselves trying to lick holly's taint, there's one fan who's talking about how super excited she is to receive art from holly's top patreon tier, and…
it's a print of the same shit holly gifted kayla kek>>872922
it's an actual fucking print, everything lines up completely.
what's wrong with that though? it's completely fine with sending your 50$ patreons prints if you so wish and if they're fine with it and if –>>872371>>872404
… if it was promised.
uh oh, get fucked, i guess?
Things worked better for them when they played the victim
(They actually didn't but maybe Holly's just working a cycle at this point)
There's an easy solution to this.
Bite the bullet & admit that you -maybe- might
have cheated. Will you looks 100% 'pure & wholesome uwu' after admitting it to your fans? Of course not, but we've already seen that you could probably livestream yourself laughing at a freshly-dead corpse & your fans would be more
than willing to forgive & forget all of that just
for the sake of keeping you happy & feeling secure.
It's like she grew balls for an hour, realized that smartass didn't fit her "I'M THE VICTIM
!" mentality and reverted back to "UWU BE NICE TO ME, THE MENTALLY ILL BIRD MOM!">>889588
Hell, at this point, admitting that "Yeah, we cheated" wouldn't solve it for her. She's spent WAY too fucking long playing the victim
card that any sympathy she MIGHT have been able to milk expired a long ass time ago.
Yeah, but you know her & Jared's fans. They'd be willing to forgive her for A N Y T H I N G.
They could film themselves taking a dump on someone's grave & their stans would be cheering them on & defending them all the way.
Whenever she doesn't have a snappy retort she just retreats back to victim
mode lmao. In this case she can't refute this person's post because she already admitted herself that Jared abused his power so she can only snivel "wuh-why are you doing this to ussss???"
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Maybe that's because you used your character as a cover for you fucking one of your group members behind both your husband and his wife's backs?
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Fuck me sideways
"Circumstances you have no control over"
You had literally all of the control over not fucking PedoDick until both yours and his divorces were final, you ignorant fuck
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You can literally buy cards yourself, Arin, instead of asking for your fans to scrounge up shipping costs for you to get them for free.
They could legitimately buy a lot with any number of cards in them on ebay and pay like….idk, $5 shipping.
Dude is essentially pulling a "Oh, you want content? Well, you'll have to provide the materials then while we grace you with our presence"
i mean… i guess it's a way of generating engagement? kinda like "we'll feature YOUR cards in our video, be interested!" maybe. if it is, it just looks a bit desperate - just make better content people actually wanna watch.
if it isn't it looks scummy as shit
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Also more confirmation it's more of a me
thing than a we
thing. Arin just wants some free cards, kek.
lol “muh anxiety! I feel unwelcome! T^T Compassion doesn’t exist anymore!” Wow, maybe should have thought about that sooner.
This girl betrayed the trust of her husband, her friend, and slept with said friend’s husband, and has the audacity to rant about compassion. Sorry, those crocodile tears won’t garner any sympathy over here. That shit doesn’t work anymore.
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Oh, the irony in Hoelly liking this tweet
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Shit, they all really view him as some sad innocent dude in need of protection from the big, mean world dont they?
That's like the exact opposite of what she does.>>889623>no one would've found out and she could've kept playing everyone's geek darling
I don't think this is true because as soon as she made her relationship with Jared public, after they both recently were divorced, people would be suspicious and do some digging. Also, Heidi's freak out was inevitable imo, regardless of how Jared handled the divorce announcement.
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>house party is a porn game
Because calling out cows is funny?>>889701
An extremely misogynistic porn game, yes. No idea why they thought it would be an appropriate lets play, but they went ahead with it anyway - and then underaged fans voted for them to be in the next update.
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Here is Jared, Pamela Horton as well as some of the Grumps.
Wonder how Pamela had a bad experience with Jared?
Maybe it really was someone else and she forgot, cons can be mentally taxing sometimes.
I think Pamela came out publicly saying she mixed Jared up
Jared is too smarmy and "clever" to do what she described so publicly. He's more into doing it via tumblr/snap. Altho I don't doubt someone did, obviously it did happen with someone.
Depending on when this was recorded, it might be about Suzy's mother passing away in October. She battled cancer for a long time, and it seemed like she and Suzy had a complicated relationship (When Suzy was younger she portrayed her mother online as pretty abusive
and alluded to that in a number of ways, but as she's gotten older the posts about mom have been mostly positive.) so I would imagine that makes losing her even harder.
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This man is infuriating.
Causes all his own problems and he acts all "this song is so me I was cancelled remember that? RIGHT IN MY FEELS"
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He is just being supportive of a friend. >>890478>But remember kids, HEIDI THE WHORE WONT STOP BRINGING IT UP - Jared and Hoelly never do that!! /s
Oh I don't card who releases more information, tea is tea and I'll drink it. But Heidi hasn't even alluded to the time she was with Jared in weeks. She might say one more thing when the divorce is finalized I'm guessing.
But damn I would have pay good money to see how Heidi would have responded directly to Jared if he never blocked her, why'd you have to rob us of that Jared?
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The video has been taken down for now, but someone on Kiwifarms said they will be reuploading it later.
We’ve been known with Dan being a creeper though, had my own little experience with him way back in 2015 when I was a late teen so no surprises here.
lol i fucking knew it, someone so obsessed with sex while also trying to be an harmless teddy bear ought to be a scumbag. He's the classic case of the nerd who got "hotter" later in life and wants to squeeze any opportunity of getting his dick wet.
Wouldnt be surprised if he's an open relationship with the 24 year old he's with>>890748
would you mind sharing the experience? should we be having a countdown for when Dan is inevitably exposed for the teen-fucker that he surely is? (not saying he's a pedophile, just that I'm sure that we'll have a "sir she told me she was 18 i swear!!!" moment in the near future FOR SURE)
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on the one hand I hope we get some milk out of this situation, on the other hand the bullet points sound so comically exaggerated I can't believe anyone wouldn't put two and two together.
Anyone who is familiar with Dan knows the plaid shirt, he loves Rush and prog rock, he is (or used to be? idk he's mentioned in recent videos about a change of heart especially since dating Ashley) a womanizer who has lots of casual relationships, like you would have to be legit 0% fan of GG to not connect those dots.
Power to Kati if those incidents are true and she basically just switched up the names for the sake of "anonymity" but I personally would not want to have risked that especially on a small play nobody really cares about, it's one thing to write about shit in a blog or whatever but this is her job, her career, not a side blog. Either she is a TERRIBLE scriptwriter who can't make up stuff to save her life or she is straight-up playing with fire hoping somebody pulls a pepe silvia.
Not gonna lie, I'm not defending Dan because I find it hard to imagine he's simply so drama free for over a decade. I've just been hoping that he's been a decent dude. If you sleep around with consenting adults and don't treat them like trash then that's not my business, you know? Of course he would get so much more attention now, no doubt about it, but he wasn't married ((coughjaredhollycough)) or invested in anyone.
is saying he's been hooking up with fans (especially ones half his age) at shows that's the same kind of grossness Jared was pulling with his "I am funny internet man, send nudez plz" tumblrs. Yeah it's not illegal if it's between consenting adults but it's still a kind of fucked abuse of power situation.
Honestly I don't know what to think. I stopped watching GG years ago when it became just constant "poopy peepee dick farts" but back in high school I was definitely one of dan's teenage fangirls. I think the pedestal fans have put him on as "uwu sensitive sexy singer" means his popularity has always been a trainwreck waiting to happen. Anything that comes out and proves he's not the perfect guy they thought he was will cause a riot.
>>890853>rockstar>sings about boners to fans young enough to be his kids
you're right tho, unlike jared he doesn't look like a foot and has a nice voice, which helped when gg was just commentary on games. now that he's even older and gg are doing more visual stuff like 10 minute power hour his popularity might be running out
I absolutely agree with you. Especially the position of power. Dan's got an immense reach and teen fangirls would faint at the idea of banging Danny Sexbang. IRL they wouldn't give a shit about Dan Avidan.
I mean you hear rumors here and there about the teenage fans but there was never even a removed tumblr blog, or an anon confession, anything to grasp. I hadn't seen any personal accounts (even if it was fiction) saying he treated them like trash or abused them or whatever, so I thought "ah well it's probably just fabricated nonsense". So I just hoped that he would have common sense and decency to act like a mature person and he would avoid very young girls. Wasn't it that he had some weird mathematical rule about the limit of age he'd date/sleep with?
I did think Ashley's age was weird especially when I found out I'm older than her, significantly. My headcanon was that Dan is reaching a stage where he finally found the value of a serious healthy relationship and wanted to settle down and he found Ashley.
But not gonna lie he does make very intense jokes and/or comments here and there. From the Sexbang persona you could say fine it's a character, he's meant to be a sex crazed loser who can't get women, but even Dan once said the line between Sexbang and Avidan is beginning to blur. I honestly feel like all those years of smoking weed 24/7 and playing Morrowind fried his brain.
Coincidentally Kati deleted her twitter and instagram. I read it on the rantgrumps post. Not surprised.>>890860
it can backfire, being friends, but if you're gonna spend hours of your day solely talking to one person, it should better be a friend. Bad example = super best friends play.
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For the love of it, Hoelly, get the fuck over yourself. The only thing you lost was the ability to have a live action cheered-on version of your fucked up affair - and if losing that means you lost yourself, that’s on you for whoring it up with a married man
dan sounds makes my nose vibrate when he sings, i have no idea what note he hits but sure, even screeching goose JonTron is better than that lol.
…brian is 100% DILF material and I'm going to hell for admitting it
Dan is more my type because I like the skinny long haired rock guys with leather jackets etc, but I would have needed the patience of a saint to deal with Brian. Imagine being in such a well regarded career like science etc and being respected by your peers just to give it up playing a mute ninja assassin in a sex-themed comedy band. I can get NSP being a side project for fun and letting off steam sure, but he had to gamble a huge risk. Not to mention he couldn't just jump back in the field if he changed his mind. He is basically locked in now as Ninja from NSP.
I've said it before, I prefer NSP in its early days, when the budget was shit, the cast were their friends, and it truly did come off as someone with zero dollars trying to seem better than he truly was. Now that they have the budget for fancy music videos and do whatever they want, he's stuck in this solo harmony vocal vibe that sounds fake. The clips are meant to be cringy but now it's genuinely cringy. The budget means they can hire Suicide Girls to dress scantily instead of just bringing normally dressed friends and having fun with it. Sorry Dan, but you can't be Steel Panther. But he's not even got the lyrical wit of Tenacious D, either.
Kati apparently lied about Holly AND Dan though, so I wonder what gossip she has about Holly. Saying that Dan is a sleazy womanizer while initially shocking is like "yeah… and water is probably wet". Even with his uwu cinnamon roll persona the fans shoved on him (though he never really asked for it), he was always sexual and crude. Holly though tried her hardest to be uwu. And now she looks like a garbage bag.
off topic, but i wouldnt say Brian risks not being able to go back to his science carreer if SNP goes south: where i'm from there's this talented architect who's pretty famous in his field (he has a tower in the middle of the city named after him) and up until a couple years back (the band has disbanded) used to tour and guest star in a super huge comedy-rock band as his super-hero persona in green spandex lol
brian is fine, expecially if he's as talented a scientist as it seems to be. i know no one cares but i thought it was an interesting tid bit.
reading more into the thread itself, lemme just link it https://www.reddit.com/r/rantgrumps/comments/dtciec/kati_schwartz_dans_exclose_friend_releases_a/
some people have seen the show already, and some say that the play itself is a collection of stories from her life, not necessarily ONE person being John. That WOULD make more sense, although after that you have to figure out which parts are about Dan and which aren't
Apparently she monologues word for word a post from her old blog https://thingskatiwrites.com/2018/01/10/first-blog-post/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app
Honestly all of this is just making me scratch my head in confusion. Your two friends help fund your play to become reality. You (allegedly) talk shit behind their back and flee the state, running off and talking about being a bad person (her words). Then you go and write a play/stage a play where the main "villain" is one person whose traits, likes, and experiences completely match up to the one friend who also helped fund you. I'm just. I can't even.
Look I get that we don't all want to do "calling out posts" and maybe this play was really her way of processing what happened and helping her heal and find a voice, but I honestly could find so many better ways to get your story out. Her deletion of social media is a common tactic now in 2019 but damn Kati, if you ARE right, stand your ground. If you have the balls to stage a play insinuating Dan walks around with his dick out all the time ready to bone every vagina out there, have the balls to stand by your play and your statements, even if they aren't directly from your mouth and they are fictional characters on a stage.
"The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this production are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred." lmao do you need this disclaimer before your show, Kati? cause otherwise you may end up with a spicy legal action from Dan.
Like Kati if this is true then respect to you, I can understand it would be hard to speak out against Game Grumps Dan. And who would believe you? But you'd have gone about it in the weirdest way possible. I can finally say in 2k19 that there is a theater play that's shade AND tea about an online personality lol.
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well Jared did a good job at verbally manipulating Heidi into thinking there wasn't cheating (though she suspected it).
He should have done a better job at hiding it, maybe deleted the text messages and nudes would've been a good idea. Tinfoiling, maybe he wanted to get caught(??).
Also isn't Ross somewhat in the D&D scene? It would be poetic justice if he got huge in WoTC surpassing Holly in fame and ruining her chances of ever returning.
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pic related: Even though the day Heidi confronted Jared about the cheating was effectively their last day as a couple in any sort of capacity and probably as traumatizing as the day she found out, I think this exchange was the comedic saving grace.
Anyway going over this again http://imgur.com/gallery/Q4Ww68F
We don't know if any of this is true, but if it is…
-Jared lied to Heidi for almost a year about this, okay.
-Jared was lying to Holly, of course.
I think Jared created different personas, one he had around Heidi, just himself, Jared. When he was with Holly, Jared was no more, he was the human rogue Diath Woodrow who could do anything.
Additionally, what I personally find interesting is that Heidi doesn't state whether or not she read Jared's journal?
She went through his phone, and his computer (where she discovered the allegations), but not the journal?
My guess is she did but there wasn't any information of value to her, maybe to Jared but not her.
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The last page of the divorce form Jared could have filled out and filed at any time. He wasn't under any obligation to get Heidi to sign it, it's optional to do so.
Exactly. Divorces move smoother when both parties agree, but it is not mandatory (otherwise, abused people would have no hope in escaping their abusive
Sometimes the abuser is the one who does try to end the relationship first though, even if they were the more controlling partner during the duration of it.
Like, Holly leaving to Washington and continuously sending Ross the divorce papers (you made him wait 5+ years for sex that never happened, so you can wait for that divorce).
Jared, if we are to believe he abused Heidi (personally I don't think he did but I won't discredit Heidi's words either), is the one who tried to end the relationship in October, did end in February, and filed for divorce in May.
He was hiding because of C&C/Pedophilia allegations.
He was prepared to address the cheating situation, because he would be addressing the truth.
Addressing a lie, especially one that was spread so far and out of proportion? Not as easy.
>>890977>you made him wait 5+ years for sex that never happened
Wait what? Did they really never have sex their entire relationship? Is this confirmed somewhere? I thought the whole asexual uwu shit was only in recent years. >>890980
Because he's a coward. He was definitely trying to figure out how he could get rid of Heidi with the least amount of resistance. When she told him she wanted to work on their marriage instead of agreeing to a divorce the first time he brought it up, he wussed out. Agreeing to try to fix things gave him a cover while he went back to the drawing board to figure out another angle.
The minors lied about their age (which, shockingly, is common when a minor thinks they’ll get one on one attention from their favorite celeb) - but rather than admit that he put himself in a position where this had a likelihood of happening, Jared went on the offensive.
“You can’t believe them, they have memory issues. But I don’t REMEMBER x,y,z - trust me!”
This could have been avoided if he didn’t show his dick to everything with a pulse
that's what drives me crazy about this assumed innocence he's managed to convince his stans of. 2 vocal accusers lied about their age (which like you said, shocker) and JAred, Holly, & their wk's have somehow turned that into "COMPLETELY ABSOLVED OF ALL WRONG DOING, EVERYTHING PROVEN FALSE! POOR JARED IS A VICTIM
Hell, I think it's been mentioned before, but them saying they were 18 doesn't even prove that Jared believed it. He knows his age demographic and still used his name as a platform and means to obtain nudes and engage with fans in a sexual way. He's an adult and knew what he was doing the entire time. The quick "oh btw, u 18 rite?" always reads like a fast attempt to cover his ass without any other effort.
They had sex. Her asexual stint didn't happen until later in the marriage. And they talk about sex stuff in some let's plays
I think Holly "became" asexual when she was over the relationship. Then Jared's magic dick cured her
Dan indirectly manipulated me to "look like his dream wife" for years, when I barely spoke English and sure as fuck wasn't legal. He also kept pressuring me into "trying things out with a woman" and do some weird mommy-daddy shit with me.
I can't wait till his ship sinks one day, been hoping for that since 2016
Wait wait wait.
Please elaborate on the mommy/daddy shit. Does he have a little fetish? Does he pretend to be the adult? That would explain why he so often refers to himself as daddy
can you imagine the pr nightmare that would ensue for the gg
I dont hate arin but his current B R A N D is one of wokeness for sure, how can you justify basing the success of your show on such a scumbag? he HAS to know about all this shit
Threesome, I was the youngest involved and he and the other girl played "my parents".
He really does prey on damaged woman. I've had issues with my real parents at the time, which he knew and he kinda turned it into a weird fucked up sex thing for some reason.
He has some weird shit going on in his brain
ahahah what the fuck that's lame as shit. can you imagine calling lanky, tired and wrinkly faced danny avidan "DADDY" and mean it.
I know kinkshaming is bad but damn. Hope you're doing better now anon, and i mean, fucking better people
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>>890997>This could have been avoided if he didn't show his dick to everything with a pulse
If I'm not mistaken isn't there only like one existing photo of Jared's reproductive organs? And the one person he sent it to is one of Heidi's close friends and by extension someone Jared thought he could trust.
This is true, he only received nudes (some from minors) and didn't send his own to mostly anyone he interacted with. But when I think of Holly and Jareds' retorts like >>888678
it's wild cause it's as though they believe him putting himself in a position to easily view illegal nudes due to his unquenchable thirst for his fans is any better. It still makes him gross and pathetically irresponsible at the very best.
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So if Jared and Holly get married, do you think he will be bragging about her the same way he used to brag about having Heidi?
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Quick, someone with access to Slate, listen to this and tell me if it gives you the cringe projared vibes that the headline gave me
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Yes, and they stopped in June last year. As for why we don't have an answer.
Sometime the spark just dies out.
Someone above said it best - he was a late bloomer who's making up for all the tail he never scored in high school. No one should be at all surprised but, DLS, my old Dan lady boner is still disappointed. He plays the part of the ~nice guy~ so beautifully, even after describing getting sucked off by a hooker in a Walmart parking lot. Call me a prude but in hind sight anyone who's as fixated on sex to that degree (even for the lawlz) is probably some tier of deviant.
Personal opinion; he's a fake ass fuckboi taking advantage of his position to solicit sex. The most I'm willing to believe for the time being is that he's manipulative but everything sounds like… regretful consent? If the predator/grooming angle is to be played further it's going to need something concrete. Regardless of his slimy ways, those are some serious allegations that should not be tossed around.
Genuinely curious if this Dan The Van Man Avidan narrative will gain traction or just be swept under the rug by the fandom like literally everything.
Yeah unless someone has concrete proof, which like another anon said hard to obtain/doesn't necessarily exist in this scenario, I kind of think making public accusations is a bad idea. Only if because GG fans are fucking insane and whoever the victim
(s) would get harassed so, so badly. All the pieces of shit you saw crawling out of the woodwork to bat for Jared would be 100x worse for Dan, in far greater numbers.
I am also iffy on the grooming thing, mostly because why would Dan have to? I think he's scummy for being a sexpest and pursuing younger women (and even scummier if it's true he sleeps with fans) but it seems like he gets puss thrown at him constantly cuz he's a "rockstar" so I guess I can't imagine him needing to take the time to groom anyone.
Also what did Kati lie about Holly?
Oh yeah duh, it has to be Holly. I thought Sharon was Suzy at first too, but that's likely it. Ellen = Holly, Sharon = Suzy
Kati said that Ellen had a multitude of insecurities that made Ellen interpret what Kati did as so hurtful, but I didn't catch what Kati actually said/lied about. Was that stated?
In the play Kati tells Sharon that Ellen said she "wanted Kati to disappear" which Ellen reacts poorly too. I think that was the lie.
To tinfoil a little further maybe Kati kind of threw "Ellen" under the bus to give an excuse to why she was distancing herself from the group. Like she didn't expect Ellen to ever hear that but was just trying to give Sharon a reason as to why she wasn't around as much??
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this exact incident is mentioned in her blogpost. Same names and all. In the blogpost it was the domino that started her emotional distress where she drove off to a tulip farm etc. >>891523
the head slamming against a wall MUST be Holly because wasn't it Holly mentioning in a tweet how she'd punish herself as a child by slamming her head on the floor when her parents were still together?>>875873
here it was, also adding in the picture to spare anyone going back a thread
in the reddit post someone claims that it's not quite 1 character = 1 real life person, but it's more of a collection of stories from her life that are heavily inspired by people she knew. This muddles things a bit but she's definitely added enough signifies to Jo(h)n's character that you can guess Dan is at least an inspiration. Making John a mix of people and stories from her life makes things not only muddy but also very murky as far as accusations go. It's pretty obvious Dan is part of John. But if he was 100% from Dan that could potentially get her in trouble? Maybe her mixing it up is a way to say "look, dan didn't do THIS, therefore it's not about dan"
this is assuming that comment on reddit is true. I honestly have no clue, haven't seen the play yet. I'm STILL perplexed as to why she would choose to include those people in her play when it's those people that made her well known in the first place. Dan and Holly gave you the grumps fans who liked her and followed her, she'd have been just another actor otherwise. She's either got balls of fucking steel or she's an idiot who thought she could get away with it.
I don't want to downplay how terrifying it is to speak up about someone who has treated you like shit. I've been there. I just feel a theater show where (let's be real) most of the audience will be GG fans who kept tabs on her, especially with her deleting instagram and twitter pretty damn quickly, it just seems weird. I'm not implying she's lying about it, but I feel like she maybe lacked self awareness about how this situation would go down. After all she is indirectly accusing a very popular well loved youtube personality of being a sex creep. Especially in this climate it's a heavy accusation, even if it is probably true.
It's also now a talking point. Bad buzz or good buzz, she deleted the social media where someone could harass her, and she's got a show now to perform and no doubt people will either pay for tickets, or watch it online somehow.
I guess what I'm tryna say is conviction of her self is lacking. If she is not ready to handle the tsunami of troglodytes (as another anon pointed out, Jared got an army of idiots and he's not even CLOSE to the level Dan is on the popularity scale), maybe a play wasn't the right outlet for her right now /shrug
pastebin OP here, friends alerted me that this was spread to reddit and they asking for "proof" so here you go fuckos (sorry I can't figure out how to embed an album, newfag problems): https://imgur.com/a/JLQj2Dl
context: this is him inviting me to his hotel room at a convention where we would sleep together for the first time, I was a fresh 21 years old (apparent by my bragging about drinking, wow so cool)
looking back at this now it skeeves me the fuck out that he knew I had been drinking and still chose to invite me up to his room with obviously some kind of sexual plans in mind. he also did order room service to get me another
drink once I was up there so. the whole thing is a big yikes. not accusing him of anything rapey, I definitely consented it's just……power dynamics, ya know?
Right, I don't have a story to tell in terms of the others that have come forward, but I have spoken with Dan. He called me a friend, but seeing the other receipts from pastebin OP and on Reddit, I am starting to believe that he may have intended to do similar things if I didn't live so far away (I like in Europe).
I started speaking to Dan in Nov 2013 after he openly talked about his OCD in a GG episode. Of course I was lowkey crushing on him and this was what motivated me to message him/add him on Facebook. I was 17 and incredibly naive. I shared my mental health story with him. On his birthday in 2014, I made a little gift for him and sent it online. In 2015, I flew out to MAGFest and when I met him, he recognised me. We messaged a few more times about random stuff. RTX 2015 comes around, I fly back out there, I say hi to him on the Friday at the autograph session, then we messaged during the con. Saturday is when he invited me to hangout with him. I brought my friends along. Again, I don't know his intentions but looking back it was obvious I was enamoured with him and with every glare he would give you, every gentle touch of your shoulder, every close hug, every pet name like 'my dear', 'lady', 'peach', if you were a sucker you fell for it. He knows the power he has.
Again, nothing happened, but when I was back at home and said I wouldn't be out in the US again for a bit, communication halted.
The blocked out names are people that also knew Dan. We'd bonded over the fact he'd messaged us so I brought them along so I wasn't nervous. (Yes, those people were both young women and were 18-21 years old iirc?)
My screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/AAlCs6D
Dan isn't obviously creepy unless you really pay attention, so if he is guilty of pedo shit/grooming it's going to be so difficult to get people to believe it. Unlike our resident pedo sexpests Jared and Onion, he's relatively good looking, a musician, an extremely popular youtube gamer man, and he puts on that wholesome teddy bear persona all the time that people go nuts for. Hell, even in pastebin anon's screenshots he's STILL doing the wholesome uwu thing even though he was literally inviting someone half his age to bang in a hotel room. Also the whole complacency in general around old famous men having sex with 20 year olds doesn't help.
If these allegations DO gain traction, I can already hear the jealous hoard of pickmes who will scramble to defend him. "But she was legal!" "She wanted it!" "He's h0t and famous who wouldn't wanna bang him???" etc. Just ignoring the fact that, best case, he's abusing his power to fuck women young enough to be his kid.
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Well, since you asked nicely…
Also, most of these people seem to be at least 20. That's insane.
Holy shit arent u guys afraid youre gonna get recognized by dan himself? Dont think it's legal to disclose private conversations without the consent of both parties. You guys have balls of steel.
>> "Arin would have put his foot down if anything was happening!!!!!!"
Oh sweet child… GG is being kept alive by the "chemistry" between arin AND dan, have you seen arin's soll episodes? They're a struggle to go through. Do you think it'd be so easy to let go of your golden egg goose?
That's nice to hear. Fuck him up girls!
Just stay safe though, internet sleuths are ruthless and can deduce a full name from a pixel
It can be legal, depending on where they are. Some states only require the consent of one of the involved parties.
Creeps who act like pervs in private but super sweet to the public should absolute be exposed for that shit. Go get ‘em, y’all.
I've tried to tell people what he's like in the past, and the tweets in >>891718
were exactly the responses I got from my friends. Fan culture is scary dude.
Sorry if the tweets made you upset, just know that there was never a way to make them go "hmm, Dan is a bad guy, I can't stan him anymore!!" because these fuckers are too dedicated to a guy who probably wouldn't blink if they disappeared.
Okay, exaggeration, but still. It eventually gets to a point where you have too many fans to give a single shit about.
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wow the Dan stuff really isn't surprising. it's pretty cringey considering how old Dan was at the time of these allegations. he really should've known better (a running theme)
this is a bit of a reach, and i'm a big Leighton fan, but i always thought it was concerning that she was a Dan stan before she got involved with the Grumps. i think she was around 17 in 2014. tbh these are perfectly innocent tweets, and there are much crazier/thirstier fangirls out there… just a bit heavier with this stuff coming out now
Well and Dan didn't set up a tumblr seeking out his fan's nudes
Not to defend him but he wasn't as manipulative or scummy as Jared. Not to his scale at least.
Dan's responses include two spaces after the period, whereas OP's have just one. Anyone who took computer or typing classes in the 80s or 90s will understand the significance of that.
The Facebook messages from the other user show the same pattern.
That is a consistent and unnecessary level of detail; they could have created fake messages with one space after the sentence, and everyone would have been none the wiser. When you consider the average age of GG fans, most of whom are too young to even be aware of this anachronism… it pushes these accusations more to the side of legitimacy.
id say those years were the heights of GG, and dan was taking off with nsp and doing 2 shows, both GG and steam train, right?
alsoyou know how nerd fans are, even if they were like 5, it would still feel like a mob being assaulted by overweight smelly dudes shouting "GODDAMIT ROSS!!!!" at you
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This is the most embarrassing attempt at damage control I've ever seen in my life.
Hey Danny boy does Ash know that until around mid summer '18 you were fucking at least two other girls plus her?
correct me if I'm wrong but didn't she meet him through connections? my own assumption was because she's an animator she probs came through ross or allie or other background GG people, and she became a fan later? I don't know much about her actually
I've seen her instagram and it seems kinda vapid and shallow but I guess I shouldn't judge by someone's insta because she may only upload boring pics
oh, for SURE. their age gap is creepy as fuck and, wow, a man proudly dating a girl half his age turns out to be a scumbag?? N O W A Y!!!
I hope she's ok though. I can't care less about Dan, probably wont get cancelled over this, but at least I hope that she doesnt go through what the other anons have.>>892433
I went to her insta as well to see her work but it's just… pics of her being cute. Eh, that's what insta is for i guess? kinda disappointed cus i always take for granted that artists use instagram as a art sharing platform lol
I hope she at least get some few advantage out of it: arin has good connection in the animation industry and dan HAS to be rich (if he was wlling to shill 10k for a girl just to get her off his case lol), i'd run his wallet dry and let him have his gross threesomes in the meantime lol.
Gotta wonder if this whole relationship is kind of a pr agreement to begin with? for a dude who was VERY vocal about strongly disliking seeing the same person for more than 2 months, this relationship has been apparently going on for a while
I don't know if his infamous aversion to commitment is a byproduct of other things. In the playthrough of A Link Between Worlds, where he played, they actually stopped the series midpoint because at that time dan was going through a rough breakup and he couldn't handle playing the game and acting cheery. It sounded like it'd really affected him, so I assume he's had serious relationships mixed into casual hookups
but he'd never really expressed desire to settle down until recently as he's dating ashley
ah, i didnt know. fair enough. always wondered why that playthrough died down, the game is pretty easy and very enjoyable.
where was it stated there was a break up? just curious
during the playthrough itself he never mentioned the breakup; he just was kinda… dull. Not making a lot of jokes, distracted, and the series just stopped. Everyone was like ???
It was only a long time later during another playthrough that he mentioned that period of his life and he oftens mentions the game since he played it during that time, so it's ingrained in his memory. He's mentioned that he wasn't happy when playing the game due to a breakup, and he said he kinda wanted to replay it to do the game justice, but that he also has such strong connotations he doesn't know if he can.
Apologies for not remembering exactly when he mentioned this! I watch a lot of GG. I'm afraid I can't provide receipts because their library is huge and I couldn't even begin trying to find it.
He's said he wanted to settle down with other women. There was a woman he wanted to marry in New York who dumped him and the serious breakup mentioned above. Ash is his third or fourth serious relationship.>>892435
She just turned 25. They've been dating since late 2017 at the latest.
Oh wow it doesnt read to me like a joke at all ahaha it sounds like he was too tired to realize maybe it wasnt the most pg13 thing to say.
Also i used to think his obsession with threesomes was a joke too and, well, weve seen how it turned out.
However, t's pretty easy to forget GG is an edited show and SOMEONE would have removed the bit if it was completely truthful. However however, in the past they didnt edit out stuff like slurs and nudity so i wouldnt past them to just do the SLOPPIEST of jobs lol.
Tl;dr: sounds really earnest actually
There's a difference between BEING youthful and ACTING like a juvenile douche. These people screaming about him being "youthful" clearly can't tell the difference.>>892827
That's giving him too much credit - More than a handful of people with stomach issues still eat a diet of pure bullshit.
What makes me disbelieve this story is because Dan is open (if not a little ashamed) about how he didn't lose his virginity until he was 22 or something. And it was with a friend.
If Dan was the type to hire a hooker he probably wouldn't have stayed a virgin that long. Also Dan never had trouble getting girls after that.
I understand he's a gross old man with a gf young enough to be his daughter. But the tinfoil about a Walmart blowjob is ridiculous.
All this being said, I haven't been able to watch GG since reading the stuff against Dan. It feels gross to see him being "innocent" and goofy while this is looming over.
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Big, hearty “fuck you”, Holly
It was hyperbole, but he would have been 15
Which isn't a stretch for some small towns but that's neither here nor there.>>892885
It's amazing that she doesn't realize this can be turned right back at her and Jared
However I would like to believe Jared wouldn't throw away a perfectly good stable marriage with a great woman just to hook up with Holly while wearing DnD costumes.
Unless of course, their marriage wasn't very stable, and far from perfectly good.
Still! Unless you are [[blood]] family there is no reason to interfere with someone's relationship too that extent. It's not in your place to do that, if someone choses to remain in an unhappy relationship then that is their choice and you have to respect it. And we know how cold and distant Jared was with both H&H, so it's not like Jared was the one chasing after Holly. To get any sort of insight to their relationship in private we would need to see some texts, but from what Heidi describes Jared was the more distant one.
Though it's not like Jared could have simply quit DCA, sigh if only he never joined. Even after the Feb'18 event, WoTC was a huge mint for not just himself but supporting Heidi as well. And Youtube on its own gives creators (even larger than him) a hard time with cash. A whole different topic but you get my point.
Anyone is prone to cheating and having dysfunctional relationships, from burger flippers to A-List actors. People have emotions.
Yeah, it's crazy how it "doesn't matter" until it's time to fit a narrative of some kind.>>893399
You're about to rile up her white knights with this statement since you said something even SLIGHTLY negative about the infallible goddess, be prepared.
Lol hate on heidi as much as yoh want dude, its ok. The issue this thread is with jared having sex with fans (gross) and exchanging nudes with at least 2 teenagers (yeah sure he didnt know yadda yadda hby dont fucking exchange nudes with fans to begin with). >>893378
Doing what? Using and discarding women, or actively going with jailbaits 17 year olds? Do you have receipts?
This is definitively Maureen.
>Talks about eating disorder like in this video>Got that star in her profile picture tattoo'ed because Dan drew it for her>Used to hang out with Dan at cons, used to have a NSP fan tumblr at the time
And after Dan dumped her ass, she weaseled her way into the Vinesauce community. She's currently on kiwifarms in the Vinesauce thread and is trying to shit talk former Vinny e-girlfriend sgtfgtI always hated your guts Maureen
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Her star tattoo that Dan drew for her
I think the point is it's one of the many antiquated laws that makes no logical sense because there's LITERALLY no difference between age 17 and 18, especially in women.
So for people from other countries it can be confusing. It's like drinking, smoking, military enlistment and driving laws. You can be mature enough to kill someone at 18 but god forbid you want to drink before 21! lol.
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I'm guessing Jared is BFFs with everyone in Normal Boots again, but they won't re-hire him for PR purposes…
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>"Shit you went through…"
Yeah, nope. The Jared/Holly stans constantly pull this when Heidi does something like that.
And when Jared and Holly do it, the response is just as overwhelmingly positive from bootlickers compared to the insults.
But hey. Good that you PJ2 twerps finally learned to fucking sage.
>>893606>shit you went through. least i could do
Why do men like Jared always receive sympathy? he's a lying, cheating scumbag who was caught, but… now he's a poor victim
?? he didnt lose anything. He brought this on himself.
They're all in the same tone, like his mother died or something, but nah, he just fucked up & narrowly avoided the consequences.
>"To the point unless their name is Heidi, they get attacked for literally just existing even if Heidi does"
My guy, quit being an incel for two seconds. Heidi still gets an INSANE amount of shit from Jared stans who accuse her on the daily of ruining Jared's life, even though it's his inability to keep his dick in his pants and out of crazy homewrecking whores that ruined his life.>>893614
PJ2, otherwise known as the home to the bootlicking idiots who see nothing wrong with a grown ass man running seven porn blogs and soliciting nudes from his fans.>>893679
>"Important to her mental health"
Because they know that that's the one sure-fire way to get attention and get what you want. Nobody wants to be responsible for another person's breakdown and/or suicide, so they pull the "BUT MY MENTAL HEALTH!" card knowing that people will cave.
the subreddit called r/projared2 which actually was responsible for amassing most of the "evidence" projared "revealed" against the sex-maniac allegations in that shitshow of his video.
when they're not calling heidi a cunt they're trying to buy real estate deep in jared's asshowever
it's become more of an "ok boomer" thing for this thread, i guess? i mean, it's clear projared was a lying, baiting sex creep and if the world was fair he'd be in prison away from all the delicious internet fawning.
it's not fair to assume everyone knows about the creepy things he's done though; the average decent human will
look at a guy who very nearly lost his livelihood, got divorced, and months later is still trying to deal with the "trauma" visited upon him by the power of the clown emoji – they'll look at him and say "dang, he must have it bad".
never mind that he's the one who fucked things up for himself and then neatly got away with it, just like dan is now being excused for preying on young vulnerable girls because "it legal tho"
>"It's not fair to assume everyone knows about the creepy things he's done though"
It's literally in the OP of every single GG thread for the past six months, though. There's no excuse to NOT know.
>"who very nearly lost his livelihood….is still trying to eal with the "trauma""
Boo fucking hoo. Dude fucked the well of crazy, fucked his fans, solicited nudes from fans and is now paying the price for it. He gets not one bit of sympathy from anyone with an IQ over 12.
sure. you do realize loads of people come here from twitter and stuff? complete newfags who can't be arsed to read the thread summaries.
plus people tend to be kinder than your average lolcow frequenter – is that your crusade, to set right every idiot whose heart bleeds for jared?
regardless if it's bait or it's sincere sympathy towards an undeserving moron, it's irritating to see everyone unconditionally branded as a PJ2 spy every time someone goes "this is a shitshow on all counts and not only jared's"
>"It's irritating to see everyone unconditionally branded as a PJ2 spy"
It's a joke, bud. Jared's a walking dumpster fire that has shot himself in the foot and should be used as a cautionary tale to all future youtuber nerds.
If anyone comes here and is dumb enough to try and defend his actions, they should go over to PJ2 with the other fucking morons that shouldn't be allowed to mingle with the rest of society
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They seem so happy together in this video
and around the 1:43:00 mark they briefly discuss how Jared proposed to her, a tear slightly came out of my eye honestly.
For those who don't want to watch they said it was at a convention, sometime in spring 2014.
Damn you Holly for ruining this marriage for your own selfish reasons, though I don't think she is entirely to blame she did still contribute. They probably would have broken up sooner or later or maybe they would have made it work, guess we'll never know.(emoji)
Exactly this. As much as I'd love to blame Hoelly Cumrag for ruining their image (and she DID play a part), the blame lies solely on the people IN the marriage - Heidi and Jared, primarily Jared IMO (because it wasn't the sleeping with another woman that Heidi had a problem with; It was the fucking of HOLLY that she had a problem with)
I don't honestly think the marriage would've lasted much longer one way or another (both Heidi and Jared admitted that the marriage was in trouble before Holly), but Holly's constant insistence that Heidi was abusing Jared would have broken it down sooner or later. You can only be bashed over the head with something for so long before you finally snap and say "Fuck it, she's abusive
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He just wanted to do a "tap tap" on Hollyhttps://clips.twitch.tv/SparklingSpikyDovePupper
"This is why Jared isn't allowed in here"
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Dude the livestreams are a straight goldmine
Jared says: "Lemme smash" in the chat, while Heidi and Holly are on the camera.
Like who are you talking to Jared??
full video: https://youtu.be/8xA1Y6c9sI8
Anyway I will try to add some insightful critique.
Holly told Jared that Heidi was abusing him since they temporarily lived at their house in LA.
Then Heidi called her out, Holly was like "uwu I am sorry".
But was still secretly telling Jared he thought Heidi was abusive
So Holly can't even own up to her own words, and still acts this way publicly. Yet Jared still picked her anyway.>>893732
even when she does its just empty words like when Logan Paul apologized for the suicide forest thing.
I will never have a fun, exciting, adventerous life like these internet personalities get the luxury of. The Normal Boots guys, Game Grumps, DCA, Scott, etc. Their lives are infinitely more thrilling then mine. They have a fascinating story to tell, and I just do not.
Even then, we recently learned that behind closed doors they had their own dark secrets and their life was not what it seemed.
I don't see the point in living anymore.
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Jesus you're right. A lot of these guys don't even make decent content anymore. Are the nb dudes even relevant at this point besides dykg?