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No. 165772
>>165377The translation is stiff but worth it if you don't care too deeply. I recommend subbing for a month and reading titles you really want and then cancelling. Their library isnt large enough for a continued annual sub.
tl;dr subscribe only in monthly installments
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Hi. I still have a problem. Weird formatting because this is taken from an Excel. Recs have a ★. Picture is "Usagi no Mori" which is getting a drama CD later this week.
CALL 朝田ねむい Asada Nemui
Good for nothing who is always low on cash figures he can just string-along a guy looking to pay for gay sex. It doesn't go as planned. This felt very raw, it's not a cute story at all. Good though.
フロムヘブンヘブン From Heaven Heaven ほど Hodo
Shortly before they graduate a high school student gets offered sex from the schoolmate he always longingly looked at. There are some misunderstandings of intentions, but in total it's very sweet and wholesome.
世田谷シンクロニシティ Setagaya Synchronicity 本郷地下 Hongo Chika
University student newly moves into the dormitory, where he has sex with his room mate, making things awkward considering he has a girlfriend (who he can't get it up for). They keep meeting at random places outside the dorm as well. The story had me scratch my head sometimes, but whatever.
計画的パブロブメーカー Keikakuteki Pavlov Maker つし子 Tshushiko
Cook who has a fetish for being eaten starts feeding a high school student who reciprocates by biting him. I couldn't really get into the characters, but if biting is your thing…
服従と甘噛み Fukujuu to Amagami 志木見ビビ Shikimi Bibi
Veterinarian picks up an injured wolf, turns out it's actually a werewolf. The werewolf is having trouble living a stable life because outside of the day he turns into a wolf he has a week each month where he has wolf ears and a tail. They end up living together and while the werewolf at first is reluctant towards the veterinarian they start a relationship. The uke is pretty cute, I like the interactions of the pair.
ミッドナイトレスキュー Midnight Rescue 一十 Itto
Succubus lives in a world where they can learn to change sex, but he's not interested until he meets a police officer he wants to get fucked by. Pheromones something something police officer fucks him even if the succubus is in his male form. This is bara, written by a man, which is probably why I found it pretty meh.
★ 兎の森 Usagi no Mori 苑生 Enjou
Two high schoolers, one has been in love with the other since elementary school, the other has a very complicated home life and lots of complexes concerning women and being a man. Beautifully complex characters, lots of backstory, and a nice slow burn.
★ 跪いて愛を問う Hizamazuite Ai wo tou 山田ノノノ Yamada Nonono
Dom/Sub universe in actually good. Guy with a hate toward subs works in a "brothel" for them. Childhood friend returns from overseas and tells the guy that he (brothel guy) is actually a sub - which he doesn't believe. I may have said bad things about Dom/sub universe before and I apologize.
君の足元で愛を知る Kimi no Ashimoto de ai wo shiru 後之マツリ Atono Matsuri
Dom/sub universe. Sub who is not interested in the whole thing can't control his health with medication anymore, so goes looking for a dom using a governmental matching service. He matches with his co-worker. Sweet enough but I found it kind of boring.
おすわり、よくできました Osuwari, yoku dekimashita 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Dom/sub universe. Two gay men who had been "rivals" at a gay bar, one suddenly turns from a "normal" into a "sub", the other had been a Dom before and offers his help to alleviate symptoms of not being properly dominated. Was okay.
パーフェクトプロポーズ Perfect Propose 鶴亀まよ Tsurukame Mayo
Overworked guy suddenly has a gay childhood friend standing in front of his door, asking for a place to stay. The childhood friend has made it his mission to make the salaryman fall for him. The backstory was nice and they felt very comfy together.
スパダリな同僚に×××を見せる話 Supadari na douryou ni xxx wo miseru hanashi まぶた単 Mabuta Hitoe
Male virgin who is into masturbation masturbates next to his co-worker when he has him sleeping at his place after a night out. Co-worker is into it. Male masturbation is one of those things I like in BL and not IRL, and this one wasn't bad, but it also didn't quite do it for me.
スーツの奥までいじめてあげる Suits no oku made ijimete ageru あわいけい Awai Kei
M tax authority worker gets found out by one of his "clients", a yakuza-affiliated guy running clubs and they start a relationship. I liked the couple and the sex, but the art not my cup of tea.
★ ひもの、時々、社内恋愛 Himono, tokidoki, shanai ren'ai 春田 Haruta
Man falls in love with his superior, who is perfect at work but a slob at home. Cute couple, nice progression of the story, even though their first time is when the superior is blackout drunk. The writing was quite humorous as well.
Fake Boys Love Fake Boys Love 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Two streamers pretend to be a gay couple for views, one of them actually loves the other. The concept is pretty interesting, so far there are only 3 chapters so a bit too early to decide whether it's going to actually be good.
★ 僕の番はサラブレッドΩ Boku no tsugai wa thoroughbred Ω あらた六花 Arata Licca
ABO. Two young actors are cast to play an ABO couple, and of course they become an actual couple after it transpires that one of them is actually an omega. Nicely drawn.
★ 目を閉じても光が見える Me wo tojite mo Hikaru ga mieru 丸木戸マキ Marukido Maki
Two actors for gay porn are starting to shoot a series aimed towards women and get closer to each other. Both of them have a complicated past and while they of course have sex it takes quite a while and lots of challenges for them to get together.
★ ノット ロンググッドバイ Not long good-bye 緒花 Ohana
A young couple living together, having promised to break up once one of them turns 20. Lots of shared history, lots of trauma, lots of complicated feelings, lots of tears from my side. A really bitter-sweet story.
恋をするつもりはなかった Koi wo suru tsumori wa nakatta 鈴丸みんた Suzumaru Minta
Gay guy looks for someone to take his virginity on his 30th birthday, meets a young university student and there are misunderstandings and what not. I didn't quite get the emotional baggage of the seme and so it was hard for me to give a shit about the couple as a whole.
純情ワンコと劣情タトゥー Junjou Wanko to retsujou tattoo 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Young actor is getting body-painted a tattoo by a tattoo artist for his latest role, tattoo artist really enjoys touching him. This was sweet, I liked the seemingly stoic seme, but the drama in the second half was a bit forced/unrealistic.
エロ漫画家とアシくん Ero-Mangaka to Ashi-kun 博士 Hakase
Manga artist gets assigned an assistant because he's overworked. He tries to scare him away by masturbating in front of him, the assistant instead offers to help him. This was pretty cute, I liked the art and the dynamic between the two.
逃がしたくないあいつはキスも知らない Nigashitakunai aitsu wa kiss mo shiranai 九尾つなし Kuo Tsunashi
Young guy starts working at a company making VNs, is actually super inexperienced about sexual stuff. Gets together with one of his co-workers. The sex was neat, but the story around it was kind of boring to me.
先生は便器じゃありません。 Sensei wa benki ja arimasen ホン・トク Hontoku
A teacher moves into the countryside, immediately starts fucking a co-worker with huge dick. Lots and lots of sex, some background drama, but somehow the two main characters didn't stay with me.
★ ピンクポルノで待ちあわせ Pink Porno de machiawase 三栖よこ Misumi Yoko
Guy likes old erotic movies and goes to a cinema to watch one, instead gets picked up by another man who writes about those erotic movies for a living. I liked the theme and the seme a lot.
元彼×セキュリティ Motokare x Security 理原 Rihara
Security guard is tasked with guarding his ex-boyfriend, a novelist who is being stalked. I found it a bit bland, the only interesting part was that the security guard is the uke but he's also really pretty, so…
守ってあげたい佐渡さん Mamotte agetai Sado-san ななつの航 Nanatsuno Wataru
Uke is a guy with constant bad luck, who starts hanging out with a co-worker who has constant good luck. They start a relationship. Kind of funny, kind of cute, a pretty standard love story apart from the bad/good luck thing.
最低な男の腕の中 Saitei na otoko no ude no naka 北野仁 Kitano Megumi
Gay uni student gets drunk with neighbour next door, who he believes to be super promiscuous and just a low-life in general. They start fucking. This was cute, I liked the uke's mom.
ハローモーニングスター Hello Morning Star 倉橋トモ Kurahashi Tomo
Two idols from different groups who used to date are told to live together to create chemistry before shooting a movie together. They of course get back together. The second volume is about two idols of the same group. First volume was cute, I didn't like the couple the second volume centered on all that much.
ピンクとまめしば Pink to Mameshiba 倉橋トモ Kurahashi Tomo
Young teacher is super into idols, gets found out by one of his high school students and gets blackmailed by him. I saw the twist from a mile away, and the couple also didn't do much for me.
★ ウサギちゃん、どシコり申し上げます Usagi-chan, doshikori moushiagemasu 三坂二ウム Misaka Nium
Wealthy (young) company president goes to male bunny bar to relax, meets man with the breasts of his dreams. I like muscular clueless ukes, this one was really cute and I totally understand the company president.
生贄のお勤めは、 Ikinie no otsutome wa 博士 Hakase
Young guy gets sent to a dog god as sacrifice for his village. Turns out the shape-shifting dog god prefers fucking to eating people. This was okay but I remember it mostly for its (brief) scene of actual bestiality.
ごめんしたって許さない Gomen shitattte yurusanai 博士 Hakase
A guy from the countryside moves to Tokyo, gets conned by various people and gets turned into some super chad, then starts fucking men for money. He gets found out by a classmate who tells him to stop and to become a better person. Kind of weird premise.
脳イキ絶頂ASMR Nou iki zecchou ASMR 因幡 Inaba
Gay university teacher is into ASMR, turns out his favourite creator is also a student he doesn't like. The premise was done much better in "Minami-kun ga kono koe ni jirasaretai".
泣き虫ハルちゃんの初恋 Nakimushi Haru-chan no hatsukoi 北野仁 Kitano Megumi
Half-French high school kid is not so secretly in love with his childhood friend and they start dating. He cries super quick and is super mushy in general, so unless you have a high tolerance for that… Cute though.
開発済みですがレクチャーはできません！ Kaihatsuzumi desu ga Lecture wa dekimasen! むろ文子 Muro Ayako
Sex shop clerk is really into reviewing sex toys, but technically still a virgin. To change that he installs a hook-up app and finds a customer who never looks at the clerks. Turns out the customer has social anxiety. This was okay but not more. Lots of sex toys, obviously.
僕の世界は君だけに Boku no sekai wa kimi dake ni むろ文子 Muro Ayako
Several short stories: A model? dating his manager and getting into an accident, a student who got tattooed when he was very young and had a weird ritual with a classmate surrounding that tattoo, a couple who has been together for a while and is facing problems, a male prostitute who has a weird client. Because the stories are so short they don't drag on, and they all were weird enough to make them interesting.
なんかもうあーあって感じ。 Nanka mou a-a tte kanji. 宮田トヲル Miyata Toworu
Two students start to pretend date because of a game, start actually dating. This was really cute, even though the story is something everyone has already read.
フェイクファクトリップス Fake Fact Lips 末広マチ Suehiro Machi
Co-workers who have been rivals since high school keep on making bets, with the winner getting to tell the loser what to do. After fucking (because reasons) they make a bet about who is going to make the other fall for him first. Really stupid story, and of course you already know what the catch is (the winner is clear from the beginning), but I still rooted for them.
後輩の雄っぱいが好きすぎる Kouhai no Oppai ga sukisugiru にたこ Nitako
Gay guy at work gets his first subordinate who has huge titties, which is his fetish. He starts fantasizing about him pretty much straight away but tries to hide it. Seme is a super himbo.
それでは先生、お願いします。 Sore dewa Sensei, onegai shimasu. 日乃チハヤ Hino Chihaya
Author of erotic fiction only writes if his handler from the publishing house puts him in the mood. New handler is a huge fan and would do anything to read the latest work of the author. I might've seen this scenario too often, but it didn't feel interesting.
★ メロンの味 Melon no aji 絵津鼓 Etsuko
Customer at a livehouse asks a guy who works there if he can come live with him as he's become homeless. They start living together and slowly start a relationship that doesn't really get name put on it. Earnest quiet story, includes talk about depression and social anxiety. I liked it.
★ ネコ×ネコ Neko x Neko たつもとみお Tatsumoto Mio
Two men who have been dating for a few years. They started dating when the uke was still very small and cute (they're around the same age though) and now the uke is afraid seme isn't attracted to him anymore - he also wants to fuck the seme. I'm not entirely sure I've read a story where both characters don't have fixed roles, I kind of wish more would do that, it's interesting seeing characters in both positions.
★ 愛されたがりのサーフェイス Aisaretagari no Surface 百瀬あん Momose An Two actos are asked to start living together to prepare for a role (is this something that actually happens? It's a huge staple for BL somehow). The older actor really admires the younger one, who used to be a child actor, but the younger actor soon grows tired of pretending to be perfect and basically assaults him. Cute, but the drama and the "twist" felt kind of forced.
東京ー四季ー Tokyo - Shiki - ハル Haru
Short stories with characters and side characters from "4gatsu no Tokyo wa…" and new characters. A genius will help a rich kid with learning for entrance exams in exchange for sex; a huge gay slut falls for a closeted gay guy; and the couple from "4gatsu no Tokyo wa" get married. The first short story wasn't for me, but the other two were nice and the last one made me cry because I loved the couple so much. Unfortunately "4gatsu no Tokyo wa" is superior.
蛍は明日死ぬ Hotaru wa ashita shinu 斉川冬 Saikawa Fuyu
Guy is obsessed with Hotaru, a girl from a book he loves. One day he meets a guy at school who is just like Hotaru (but male) and they start dating. Interesting idea, the drawings were nice as well.
No. 167307
>>167277If you're the same anon who always post a shit ton of recs, would you create a blog or something to archive your recs? I'd love to see that in case I go back to Japan or these manga get released in my country
which would be even better because they would be uncensored so I'll check what to buy or just read very easily.
No. 167390
>>167307I am.
If someone can tell me whether I can share a google doc anonymously, I'll just share the link to the file.
>>167386Yes, please join!
No. 167476
>>167469samefag here but the authors actually put a lot of love and details into it. It's the same with BL visual novels, I was super shocked when I saw the uncensored dicks in the official translations of Sweet Pool and Togainu no Chi because I didn't expect it. Whenever there were dicks on screen there was also a small mention that was like "not for sale in Japan" or something because of the lack of censorship.
I remember Niyama saying that her manga in some countries were uncensored and her Japanese fans on twitter were considering getting the French volumes online.
No. 167481
>>167469This depends on the artist, but I'd say 99% draw the dick first and then it gets censored afterwards. The amount of censorship (black bars vs. white lightsaber) depends on the publisher as well and sometimes there are two versions. BL manga didn't get into the game to
not draw dicks.
>>167463There are manga like what you want around, idk if it's translated but Riman Loveho Danshikai while not being drawn beautifully is absolute smut and pretty close to what exists for coomers. There are the main manga that aren't 99% sex and then there are the offshots that are. The artist has said that she doesn't want to draw too many pages that people will just skip, so it's like 6 pages of story and 48 or so of just fucking.
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>>167465Picrel sums up my personal reasoning fairly well.
Fujobians, rise up!>>167526I love when BL has both great character dynamics AND plenty of lewd moments. I’m not a fan of cock redraws personally, but they aren’t a huge deal, really.
No. 167627
>>167596How long does it take to learn moon? I started a Japanese course on Duolingo(lol) and can kinda read hiragana now, but I hear kanji is a real pain in the ass to learn
>>167581Other anons will say you're cringe, but I agree completely
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>>167581They're my favorite as well.
>>167627If you're aiming for fluency I'd say four years but if you only want to read manga then a year should be enough.
No. 167636
>>167627i often read doulingo is not really good for learning… there are some neocities sites that give good resources, so i recommend you that.
but yes, kanji+vocabulary is hard, but just like everything else, studying hard pays off!
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>>167616how is this weird? i’d say it’s tame compared to, say, gangrape-chan
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>>167590100% this. Perfect!
>>167627Really depends on the plot. If it's your run off the mill romantic plot you don't need much Japanese.
>>167581I like that part as well. They're always so easily to be made weak in the knees, it's super cute. In general, I like that in BL men can be cute af and cry and shit. "It feels too good" tears are 10/10.
No. 167659
>>167655エッチなことおしえてください (Ecchi na koto oshiete kudasai) by Hareya Umako
Gay virgin books a prostitute to learn how to please a potential future lover. Falls in love with the prostitute. No surprises here, but it was cute.
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do you read doujinshi? what is your favorite fujo ship from a non-BL manga/series?
No. 167678
>>167627It didn't take me too long thanks to anime. I knew a lot of vocabulary before starting so in 3 months I was already reading manga with kanjitomo. I guess learning kanji is annoying but it really isn't that bad. This is the guide I used:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.htmlHonestly my biggest shock was realizing that scanlators chose really limited kinds of bl. Like only really popular stuff would get scanlated. My favorite is comedy bl and I'd never seen that scanlated before.
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>>167665Megumi x Yuji (aka Meguyuji; Fushiita)
Thanks to the latest chapters people are finally properly waking up to the seme potential of Megumi. I'll read Gojo x Yuji and Yuji x Megumi as well though.
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>>167463Have you read stuff by Hontoku?
No. 167805
>>167744if it's megumi with yuji i agree that seme megumi works better. also because yuji suits the manly uke trope very well imo lol
seems like jjk has gotten really popular with japanese fujoshi, but i have a bad feeling megumi will end up with his sister because the author has an incest fetish apparently
No. 167812
>>167805They're not related by blood. Tsumiki's mom and Toji briefly dated, then Tsumiki's mom disappeared and Toji was Toji, so Megumi and Tsumiki started living together.
I still really hope you're wrong. Tbh I don't want any love relationships in JJK, Gege needs to keep that Megumi/Yuji bromance fodder flowing though.
No. 167817
>>167815Eh,grey zone for me.
The BL Kajitsu has a couple like that btw, two boys/young men who were brothers for six years before their parents divorced.
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>>167818Well, d'uh, not my preferred scenario either but fat chance Megumi will end up fucking Yuji in the ass in this PG-13 manga being released in a magazine for boys.
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>>167825Adding on to your post, there are a couple other zomBL manga like Boys of the Dead and Living Dead/Sleeping Dead too. Probably not as much action as OP wants but it’s something.
There’s also this one, Bouzo to Kumo that has some traveling and fighting in it.
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Left or Right ?
No. 167997
>>167960isn't that clamp couple canon? then it's not fujobait. i watched yu yu hakusho when i was 8 so i don't remember well what was the relationship between hiei and kurama
>>167985no, it's typical shounen so it focuses more on male characters. also the mangaka has a thing for disfigured ladies so it's not that appealing to scrote weebs
No. 168050
>>167985It isn't. Like you have to have fujo goggles on already to find it bait-y. Plus
>>167960 is one pairing that bonds over their love of tall women with big butts, so yeah…
No. 168140
>>167997As someone who's seen the YYH anime and read the manga, I don't understand the ship. They put out a ton of fujobait-y artwork of them but in the actual series they didn't interact outside of the very beginning when they were working together and neither of them really showed any interest for each other. But then again the standards for fujoshit in the late 90's were abysmal kek
>>168134I need the source for this, right now
nonnie No. 168156
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>>168143I like the word Slasher tbh, sounds brutal.
No. 168157
>>168141depends, If you exclusively ship 3DPD I don't think you should count as a Fujo
idk just feels wrong
No. 168158
>>168143>>168156Sounds sick, but I’ll always associate “slashers” with the horror subgenre and not RPF communities kek.
I think you guys’re just called either shippers or fangirls.
No. 168159
>>168145Western fujoshi and Japanese (and Asian in general) fujoshi aren't that different tbh. I need to remind everyone here that American Supernatural fanfic writers came up with omegaverse and Japanese BL authors ate that shit up and there are now a shit ton of BL manga and BL released in Japan on a regular basis.
>>168156That reminds me of when Toko in Dangan Ronpa reveals she's both a fujoshi and a serial killers targetting pretty boys by calling herself a slasher. The pun was just perfect.
No. 168175
>>167960Not into shounen (aka the most of the examples given) but I mostly prefer now.
Also I thought Sakura’s bro and Yukito were dating?
No. 168203
>>168202>>168185All omegaverse is terrible but I never got why it
triggers so many people due to "ree misogyny", it's just a dumb fantasy world of "what-if"s and I have a really hard time taking it seriously enough to be offended over ass babies. It's such a waste of energy. And no, please don't sperg out about the reasons on me because I already know, I just don't care because it's stupid.
No. 168205
>>168185>>168170>>168202>>168203So I'm not one of those "Mpreg is misogyny" types but I just dislike it cause its fucking goffy, like I can't take it seriously and I don't understand how can take it seriously
its like a balloon fetish appearing out of nowhere, maybe not the worst thing in the world but its still fucking stupid and I am gonna make fun of you for it
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>>168220While I'm not some huge ABO fan, I get why "uke wants needs to fuck so badly it's making them physically sick" is hot. To me, one major aspect of sex in general is just this wanting of one another, and ABO is just an extreme version of that. Yes, the plot is pretty much always the same (omega doesn't like alpha -> but he smells so good -> fucking -> oh he was my destined alpha after all), but plot-recycling is pretty common anyways.
No. 168236
>>168216>>168231I have read some Dom world fics, that basically accomplishes the same thing as a/b/o just without the mpreg
>>168229I mean what you described in its self is hot, I don't think most people have an issue with that aspect, its just the baby aspect
I don't wanna see this character who was getting a pounded 5 pages ago becoming a parent out of nowhere
No. 168249
>>168246joseimuke series like hypmic, enstars and twst are really hard to get into for us westerners because there's no actual localization
hypmic has a pretty cool concept and songs from what i've heard but i find the radfem villains plot kinda off putting
No. 168254
>>168253some characters have
possible gfs from what i've heard
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>>167665I'm basic, so Eren/Levi (aged up/adult Eren only). I like Eren/Armin, too.
No. 168274
>>168243I feel like people have read one or two, didn't like them and decided they're all bad. There is tons of ABO that doesn't have mpreg. Also as
>>168236 said, Dom universe is just ABO without the mpreg and with juicier sex.
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>>168245Yes! I love Ramujaku and Gendice!
No. 168295
>>167596I'm going to sound dumb but what exactly does moon mean here? I'm guessing you mean learn Japanese based off of previous discussion?
I'm actually starting to learn it again. I've been using the Tofugu masterlist. I had the hiragana memorized a while ago, but I haven't practiced since so I'm getting back into it. I got hella depressed over the fact that I couldn't read a bunch of untranslated otome, so I got motivated again. If you've played VNs before, how long would you say it would take to learn enough to start being able to read untranslated ones? One year for manga is pretty decent, so I'm optimistic. Would love to be completely fluent one day, though.
I actually feel pretty committed this time because I consume enough Japanese media that it's starting to seem more and more necessary. Feels kind of embarrassing to learn just for weeb purposes, though.
No. 168309
>>168295Yeah moon is net slang for japanese.
I've never read a VN in japanese but if you consume japanese media every day and study daily then I'm sure you could start reading them in a year. You'll need tools to help you read kanji, but if you stick to fairly simple games without complicated storylines and plots, I think you could get through them fairly well.
Don' be embarrassed, learning japanese purely for weeb purposes was the best thing I've ever done for myself. It brought me so much joy and entertainment. I've turned more into a normie in the past couple years and haven't had the chance to read BL like I used to, but I don't regret a second of the fun it brought me. Actually, life was way more fun and exciting when I was a weeb who only read BL and watched japanese 2.5D musicals.
>>168274Yeah, that's why I asked. I've only read a couple but the reactions here seem exaggerated. It really wasn't that different from regular BL.
No. 168371
>>168309Oh, great, thanks for the encouragement! Weeb shit has honestly been one of the few joys in my life as of late so I think it will be worth it, really. Maybe it'll give me some structure for once, too lol. Maybe I'll finally be able to watch those Takarazuka Revue musicals.
I'm currently devoting about 30 minutes per day for study until I get out of school for the semester and will increase it after that.
No. 168391
>>167960Forgot to reply when I saw it but I like the left side better. Saint Seiya yaoi doujinshi helped CLAMP kickstart their career, to this day I don't get why Kurama/Hiei is a popular ship but I love both characters, and Toya/Yukito is canon so it's not even fujobait. Even 7 years old me understood that Toya and Yukito were into each other when I read the manga when it got released in my country, that's how obvious it is and I didn't even know homosexuality was a thing.
I don't give a shit about new releases because I'm always expecting big series to either turn to shit or to never have an ending anyway.
No. 168393
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is anyone watching this? it has a good art direction but it seems like it doesn't have much of a plot
No. 168396
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>>168393I do. Story is pretty lackluster imo. But in terms of fujo bait, damn it exceeds any expectations. Man, they even threw in some sweet home alabama moments..
No. 168462
>>168240this was so cute despite it being incestuous.
i was confused because it was tagged as shota on some sites. i’m assuming that’s because of some of the panels that are drawn in a chibi art style?
No. 168531
>>168530>do they have ship wars like in the west? Definitely. I've seen them be vicious bitches about it kek.
>how do they react to canon couples or the canon female love interest, do they just ignore them or trash talk them?I think they just don't give a shit about the female love interest. Recently there's definitely been a trend of making the girl cheer their OTP on.
My experience with the JP fandom is limited but there have been JP-based anons here who have offered great insight on the subject so I'll leave it up for them to describe everything in more depth. I've understood that most of the drama centers around doujin circles being catty with each other and drama about things like art theft, not the subject matter itself.
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>>168534I think as a teen I watched every single available one on youtube but many have bad endings or like
>>168540 said don't look cute enough. 7 days was perfect tho imo, super wholesome, I rewatched it at least twice. Ai no Kotodama is oldish but also very sweet, their chemistry is really believable.
A while ago I got into chinese bl novels and I also really enjoyed the (very few) drama adaptions because the actors are super handsome.
No. 168553
>>168536based and true
>>168539I've seen this happen a lot and to be honest I understand it, the dynamic changes entirely when you change which one bottoms. With a ship like Bakugo and Deku someone insisting on Deku topping would be an absolute turn off for me.
No. 168733
>>168530I don't know the inner workings of circles in Japan, but from what I've seen from fans at events, online and on a personal basis…
>do they have ship wars like in the west?These do exist, but as
>>168588 mentioned, Japanese fujos tend to be very good about actively avoiding what they dislike, which is why there's always a huge thing about naming conventions for ships online - first of all, so they don't bleed over to the mainstream (fujos tend to not want to impose on "normal" fans) and second of all so there are terms that can be blocked on Twitter. I've seen artists post about complaints they've gotten for not properly mentioning the ship in their tweets, about reposting stuff with a different ship than what they draw themselves, etc. etc. There are some very very fragile fujos out there who will not tolerate anything but their ship.
>>168551I really want to see my husbando top. But I'd never fight with anyone about a fictional character.
No. 168759
>>168539>>168551Reminds me of that scene from Kiss Him Not Me where the two fujos fight over top/bottom. 1:18 timestamp
Speaking of which, these two should've gotten together. Tfw no fujo gf.
No. 168840
>>168777See
>>168779 , all western production is shit, especially the romance genre.
No. 168981
>>168955>stinky aidens like you >like youHow did you even get that from my post? I'm a real woman and the guys I'm talking about are real men who are into other real men, they're just gay weaboos and I was shocked that real guys could actually be into this shitty pairing.
>until they insert a gender autist girl into the main coupleActually I was thinking about the same thing just based on a gif I saw in one of the FTM threads, it's from a Netflix show according to some anons, it was basically was you described. Some girl on T was calling a gay man a faggot and saying that it's none of his business if she has a vagina because she's still guy, and anons said the two characters end up dating anyway. No idea what the title is because I don't use Netflix.
No. 169006
>>168981NTA obviously but holy shit this happened? Netflix keeps hitting new garbage lows whenever I turn my head. Western produced shows truly are the worst. I don't even get why they would cater to such an audience, contrary to what the spergs in the fakeboi thread imagine the homophobic FTMs who demand an access to gay spaces are extremely rare at least compared to AGP MTFs who invade lesbian communities since they're all trans 4 trans Aidens, I can't imagine this going over well especially because cis gay men are higher up on the totem pole than lesbian women and FTMs.
>>168989This perplexes me to no end because as far as I've understood the gay danmei novels are filled with graphic sex and even male on male rape but it's clearly against the censorship rule in China, how the fuck do they go around it? I've always been sort of undecided about entering that fandom because you never know when it will all be shut down and the author will be sent to the gulags but maybe some CN specialist anon can shed a bit of light on this.
No. 169008
>>169006the thing is that if they keep it among themselves they're fine, but some losers and antis who have beef with the authors report it to the authorities and say stuff like "this is a bad influence for minors" to take it down (always the minor card). communism at its finest kek
this is how they banned ao3, xiao zhan's fans were offended by a gay fanfic and mass reported it
No. 169021
>>169008Chinese antis are a special breed, in the west you'll get fired from your job but at least you won't be detained by authorities and given a prison sentence for writing about gay anime men. Equally horrible were all the people lashing out against him but like
>>169010 said that's pretty much the only place they can direct their anger towards. The Chinese society is awful and with all the censorship laws in place I would absolutely hate being a content creator there. It's too risky to produce anything that's not about praising Xi Jinping and the communist party.
No. 169025
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Anons I just 100%'d Room no. 9 and have to talk about it somewhere, this game was a lot (but I fully enjoyed it). Any thoughts? I rushed through the endings and made my way to the true end after experiencing all the other bad ends first so it too felt like a bad end to me, but after giving it some time and replaying the final scenes of the true end, I really feel like this is the best and most realistic ending for them. But I still wish they could've shown just one scene of them removed from the situation far enough in the future and how their relationship progressed and moved on from it, but I suppose not showing it is part of having an open ending I'm going to be thinking about this game for a long time to come lol, just like how sweet pool stuck around in my head until now since the first time I played it 6-7 years ago.
No. 169056
>>169025i really enjoyed the
the hurt/comfort parts where they were forced to cut up and take care of each other. something about it felt special to me
No. 169335
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I'm going to be a cruel bitch, but i'm loving the latest korean spoilers of ENNEAD. I like Seth and hope for him to have a happy ending, and he suffered a lot at the hands of the rest of the cast… but his worst crimes were against innocent humans, and he never answered for that. He legit deserves everything that happens this chapter. And the twitter meltdown is the funniest shit.
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>>168777I don't think its possible, the cultural factors that led to BL even existing as a concept were unique and could never emerge from either the West or the Muslim world, only in the east asian sphere was the groundwork set
>The General "don't ask and don't tell" attitude regarding homosexuality >The Pre-existing concept of "love" between older male/younger beautiful male(as long as that love is temporary and both get wives and have children at the end)>General sex segregation that never really went away pic unrel
No. 169435
>>169428sorry i have to talk about your picrel
>Oh! I love them! I HC them as trans!what an insane thing to say. it's just so unnecessary, stupid and makes no sense at all. it's like looking at a character and saying that you headcanon them as wearing a wig out of fucking nowhere, without there being any hints at all. and you're supposed to feel sorry for the poor uwu tiffy there because she can't smear her inferiority complex on everything. sorry gay men won't fuck you and straight men won't either because your mental illness makes you unbearable.
No. 169457
>>169451>The only time I'm actually bothered is when a straight FTM wants to self-insert and turn the setting into a heterosexual otome because actual gay sex is gross to her.I hate that so much, when trying to read self-inserts I avoid anything with “male reader” like a plague, but if you look for literal “vaginal fingering” they will put their ayysonas as guys with vaginas and it’s annoying, it’s such a turn off.
>Oh yeah, Roberto, I, Naruto am fingering your pussy, we’re gay men btw, so queer.I hate it so much.
And they are quite annoying with the whole “muh cwomfort character is trans like me uwu” but of course, they don’t go apeshit like the males in dresses, because of actual female socialization, but they passive aggressively post retarded memes and stupid ass comments like “girl I- um- oh- wait- stop-“ I hate it too.
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>>169454>>169455>>169456lets not devolve into this, I think culturally what's considered normal and "god" in the west is a bit different from the rest of the world
I posted in another thread but men in my third world african country literally walk around holding hands, they hug each other and kiss each other one the cheeks but they would beat and lynch any man if they knew he was gay
homosexuality is viewed as so unnatural that If you see two men holding hands and think "they might be gay." cause homosexuality is considered a non-thing really
In the West , it's more of a tell, so people avoid it for fear of looking gay.
No. 169466
>>169454It's fujobait, a lot of shows do this. The main offenders are shit like HxH, Haikyuu etc. Japanese fujos buy merch for their ships and it's very profitable.
>>169463No one cares about real life men. Yaoi men are written by women.
No. 169483
>>169481because of narcissism and projection.
90% of aidens are just weeaboos who think they can become their fav anime boy or reenact their bl fantasies with some poor faggot(or each other)
No. 169485
>>169463this shit doesn't happen in japan so your point? no one does this outside of middle schoolers who see it as a fun joke. salarymen, adults, they don't do it
and i was talking about muh special amazing soulmate bond not skinship
No. 169497
>>169428Disagree on the west. There was Kirk/Spock fanfic in the late sixties, and you could technically call Mary Renault a fujoshi. Gay shipping is just something some nerdy women do.
I think it's uncommon in Islamic countries because of how homophobic their culture is and how women there are strongly discouraged from expressing their sexualities. If they were more secular like the U.S. or Japan, you'd probably see fujos there too. I've also met a ton of Russian fujoshis in recent years.
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>>169503most women who are normies don't give a shit but find it strange, I think its mostly SJW-Liberal
No. 169530
>>169498>>169499It's not a yes or no question, for some people it
is that deep. A lot of lesbian fujos found their sexuality by connecting with other girls via fujo stuff, almost all weeb lesbians I know today got their first girlfriend that way. And naturally because the female sexuality is repressed a lot BL does hold a deep meaning to a lot of women who want to explore their own sexual preferences and relationship needs in a way that doesn't sexualize, objectify or judge women in any way. If you're just one of those "I just like looking at hot men lol" types then great but BL was originally born from a need for female liberation and sisterhood and that's what it is for plenty of fujos even today.
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is there anyone sharing/selling scans of bonus leaflets?
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>>169575This one is about a slutty camboy and a jaded tired journalist for a gossip magazine.
Two chapters already translated on MD, totally recommended.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/079726c7-2fae-4fe9-af8a-b47bf90d33a4/6 No. 169583
>>169025nonny are you still up to talk about RN9
I finished the game earlier this year and had my fills of discussing spoilers with my friend
what stuck out for me was how the two of them would never develop into legit romantic relationship. IIRC even in the true ending, it was more about them just appreciating each other for being alive and still remained the bro4life status.
now I think back again, the writing was pretty smart in keeping their relationship meaning without devolve too much into tropey romantic sentimentality.
I had read some short stories from the magazine (I forgot the name), where Daichi was nostalgic about Seiji being his best friend - despite him being the poor, bastard kid. While seiji was smart and coming from a rich family.wow i could go in lengths LOL, serious but not serious
the unskippable scat scene in every route will never escape my brain No. 169626
>>169582The link doesn’t work
nonnie type the name out?
No. 169640
>>169626oof sorry, i forgot mangadex is blocked in some countries
Obake Yori Kowai Mono by Yukigumi Um
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>>169056I agree! I really liked how they write the characters in this game, if they'd gone the
lovers ending route a lot of the immersion would've been destroyed for me, I think.
>>169583Fuck yes anon, I still can't get this shit out of my head and my one friend who knows my degen fujo side is sick of hearing me whine about Seiji. Did you play the game in Japanese by any chance? There's something bothering me and it's an autistically small detail but I'll just repost what I posted in /blog/ on 4chan and unfortunately never got a response to:
Also, if someone has the Japanese version, could you tell me what the ending scene (true end) actually says, please? I can read a bit of jp but not enough to play a whole vn and I had a feeling throughout the whole game that the localization was too liberal and may have ruined some of the nuances in the original text. My suspicions were confirmed (?) I found a blog that described the ending as
"It’s time to part and as Seiji almost vanishes Daichi stops him and tells him ‘see you’ and Seiji smiles and returns ‘yeah, see you’. Daichi thinks he saw a shadow pass over his face."
But the English version doesn't mention anything of the sort and just says the door closes as Seiji smiles back.If you/any other anon could enlighten me on this I'd be very grateful! This has bothered me for days. I unironically picked up my Japanese studies again because this game's localization made me seethe due to how liberal the translations worth. No one will ruin my gay porn with shitty translations again.
Anyway back on RN9, I could go on in lengths about this game too! I don't know why but this game legit embedded itself in my brain and I can't stop thinking about their relationships and
imagine what I would do if I was stuck in a situation like that with a friend myself.Once I did that it was pretty easy to see why writing a lover's ending would've been cheap and unbelievable. I like their friendship a lot! After completing the game, I found these extra art of them hanging out and man the artist did a really good job showing the nuances in their interactions. I…I know I'm over-analyzing a game that's 70% gay porn.
No. 169652
>>169648I'm this anon
>>169583omg anon we should add discord or something lol. The game did stuck in my head in a couple of days, I drew a few fan arts too (including lewd ones) but never published them anywhere and only showed to my fellow degen fujo friends.
Would you like to elaborate what you meant by the translation being liberal? I own the JPN copy and only finished route A (?)
iirc the one where the two of them got out, seiji went full do-M and daichi basically dead insideI'd say the translation is pretty accurate, as for expression-wise, I'd say the quality in No, Thank You was been better for me (Which I'm not so sure since it's been Years and my standards have changed since). Clockup games are 70% porn and I understand when translating them could get fatigued quickly.
If you have the exact quotes in Japanese, few free to paste in here and I can interpret it in how I understand it.
also because I'm super lazy to go through 12 hours of gay porn to get to that ending again lmao i didn't 100% in the japanese versionIMO when I read Daichi and Seiji dialogues they have a lot kind of casual language whereas I could relate better in my native language (not english), sort of rude-like college students speak to each other. Daichi's inner monologue is filled with envy and admiration towards Seiji, it's INSANE. Seiji's monologue is harder for me to interpret because of bocchan jargons.
No. 169666
>>169648Nta but I also played RN9 and while I loved the game's concept and Seiji and Daichi's relationship, the english translation bothered me too. Even aside it being too liberal it's also full of typos and I wonder if the japanese dialoge is as repetitive, for some reason I got really annoyed by Daichi's english monologue saying that "his stomach felt like it was full of lead" SEVERAL times at different occasions kek.
I also really wished the gore was stronger. I felt like Seiji's tasks were a lot worse and creative than Daichi's
compare them with pissing, scat, strangling and almost torture and yeah…. We can't even choose Daichi's last task either, right? And it's the only one that could be truly gory. Idk I went into it expecting both hardcore porn and gore and I was disappointed by the latter.
No. 169693
>>169666NTA and I agree with the lack of gore despite the PR (and cover art) was sooo blatant and shameless about it.
I and my friends also complained about not able to pick the last option that was the most brutal toward seiji, and could fuck daichi mentally For life and my inner do-S was really rooting for that. The director mentioned that they had to scrap a scenario where they're chained to each other and basically LARPing as dogs as a requirement… Gods I want it so bad.If you're planning to play lkyt. I heard the torture and gore is much ramped up in it.
No. 169696
>>169575I’ve shilled it on /y/ a million times but I really like Asada Nemui’s Living Dead, it’s an ongoing series about a teacher who gets murdered and brought back to life by a scientist. None of the BL scenes have been consensual and it has gore so it’s not for everyone.
I also liked Call by the same mangaka, it’s about a NEET that pretends to be a call boy to get money and free food from a salaryman. Unexpected gay feelings ensue when he starts liking being a top. It’s not translated though.
No. 169697
>>169696huge fan of Asada Nemui! That reminds me I need to keep up with her digital book release.
never got to read Call but now I have to check it out. I love the tension in these manga, the art style is unique and moody and really bring well the horror atmosphere they were going for.
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>>169575I am in love with 4 Week Lovers. It’s a manhua about two boys, Dojun and Jaehee (picrel) who attended the same high school, and now they go to college together. Jaehee is in love with Dojun and pursues him relentlessly. When Jaehee breaks his wrist/arm saving Dojun from a fall, he basically coerces Dojun into dating him for four weeks as payback (with the ultimate goal of Dojun agreeing to be his boyfriend forever). I’m usually into nasty shit with lots of noncon but this series is so fucking cute, I don’t even know how many times I’ve reread it while waiting for updates. Good art and good porn make him for the meh plot. I think it’s a super cute light read. Currently being translated. An official English release was slated for this past April/May but it never came for some reason.
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/4_week_lover/ No. 169722
>>169704I try not to judge but fucking Hell how does anyone tolerate "that" art style
just looking at it give's me headache
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>>169722Does this not excite you?
No. 169746
>>169693They're really scrapping the best stuff.
And yeah I can't wait for lkyt (or is it actually out already?), the boys all look nice and the setting's great. I'm also planning on playing/looking up a walkthrough of No, Thank you! since many people think it's better than RN9.
No. 169767
>>169583everyone seems to enjoy that it ended up in a bros relationship but i was very disappointed lol. after all the sex scenes there would be no realistic way for them to end in good terms anyway
idk it all felt like meaningless sex to me
No. 169778
>>169776Can you maybe… write all of your thughts in one single post?
But yeah the body hair was a shock but I really liked it, it's my type of thing you know.
No. 169830
>>16948100s fics had a lot of cutting and ed themes because that was what was going on with the writers (and audience). so hot anime men starved and cut themselves. now writers are gaydens so hot anime men are taking hormones and binding. lol.
>>169413as a (worse) alternative, there is /blog/ on /jp/. but there was a nice anon posting matsus in /fujo/ i hope she's doing well.
No. 169840
>>169481youre not alone nonna. Even my trans friends are annoyed with the floods of these types of fics everywhere, most are straight up
cuntboy porns without proper tagging. Hell, I can't even go to ao3 to look for a standard mlm fic like the 2000s anymore. I suspect zoomers and kinnies tbh.
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I'm so far removed from fandoms nowadays I just remember the trends that made me stop reading fanfics and paying attention to the most popular headcanons, but the last time I looked from fanfics was when Fire Emblem 3 Houses got released because of Sylvain/Felix and I remember that while the fics with the most kudos were mostly normal, once I checked the last updated fanfics it was fully of Felix untagged trans headcanons. Poor guy just happens to be shorter than the male characters he interacts with the most and he has long hair so it had to happen to him. Even though he 100% looks and acts like a guy and he has a deep voice in Japanese. So I guess this trend is still popular now, and for more and more pairings? Do you think this will ever stop? I miss the days when I read fanfics during my free time but I can't see myself going back to it anytime soon.
No. 169895
>>169894Like
>>169830 said back in the 00s it was all about cutting and emo shit so it's just another trend that will roll over once a new one sets in. Troonism is just today's fashion subculture so once young people will find other ways to express themselves it will take over once more. Back in the day people knew how to tag their dumbass fetishes though, not tagging trans headcanons is absolutely retarded even from a genderspecial point of view since it could ~
trigger the reader's dysphoria~ to have PIV in a gay fic.
No. 169921
>>169895Yeah but this whole trans shit is now mainstream and politicized, and it's not just something that only affects teenagers and very young adults. It feels way more invasive than other "trends" and if you say you don't like reading straight sex scenes in a BL fanfic you're accused of wanting to commit genocide against trannies and fakebois.
>>169900>i did meet one sylvain rper who was an nb tif and who wanted to rope me into transboi felix but i declinedI'm not surprised, the guys who have the most obnoxious fans are Sylvain (always badly written and woobified in fanfics), Felix (turned into a boring, unfunny tsundere, or into a depressed brocon and nothing more) or Ferdinand (he has long hair after the timeskip so he HAS to be a tranny!!1!). Thank god my husbando Dedue was spared from this mess. Actually I said I saw trans Felix fanfics all the time on AO3 because they weren't tagged but I also saw a bunch of NSFW fanarts like this on twitter, also untagged. I unfollowed so many people after that. It's a shame that this happens to the game that has a famous BL artist as the character designer.
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just started playing dmmd and koujaku's birb is such a baddie kek
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>>169999saw this exact scenario play out in the new vegas fandom, Vulpes Inculta is a commander in caesar's legion, he genocides an entire town after crucifying them and likely has slaves that he abuses but on tumblr they've turned into an uwu softboy who was raised to be like this cause he was taken into the legion when he was a child but mainly cause he has a slightly shorter character model
No. 170055
>>169894This is a cute picture of Felix, thank you.
I'm still in the 3h fandom, my favorites are Dedue/Dimitri and Ferdinand/Hubert. I've thought about writing fanfics but sometimes it just seems to bleak, like… I wouldn't write about trans shit so I don't think they'd get any recognition.
>>169929Korean and Japanese artists are still regularly producing good fanart for them! There's a lot of them on twitter, you just have to dig around. Pixiv is also a good place but I wouldn't browse there without premium.
No. 170060
>>170001my eyes start to dilate the moment i saw "communist manifesto"
what the hell with this intense fetish towards communism, as someone who lives in a communist country that cosplays as socialist. this shit is making me bald.
No. 170072
>>170045Hey
nonnie don't play his route in reconnect.
t. Someone whose favorite boy used to be Noiz
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>>170070for real, ntayrt but I told someone how rude it was to prop up communism as some utopic thing when I had my family members tortured to death under our countries commie regime, and you know what they told me this little yank? That it doesn't matter that millions of people died, like wow how heartless and they were 31 btw so not even some dipshit teen. Sorry for the derailing, to contribute I was looking at Slam Dunk and found this - anyone still in the fandom?
No. 170093
>>170060>>170082What I find most bizarre is when LGBT are the one's advocating for Communism and I'm like WTF, communists considered Homosexuality "bourgeois decadence" and considered it a plight to the working class, this was the position American Maoist faction on Homosexuality
>"Homosexuality is a response – consciously or not – to a male supremacist society. Because it is a response to oppressive institutions and oppressive relationships it is not necessarily a progressive response or one that challenges the power of the monopoly capitalist…. As our relationships become unstable, people – particularly the petty bourgeoisie, which has more leisure time – scramble about in a desperate attempt to find some meaning in their lives. Today people are grasping at all kinds of straws, at exotic religious sects, mysticism, drugs, pornography, promiscuity, sex orgies, trotskyism, etc….. In posing an individual solution to the contradictions of monopoly capitalism, homosexuality is an ideology of the petty bourgeoisie, and must be clearly distinguished from proletarian ideology…. While gay people can be anti-imperialists, we feel that they cannot be Communists. To be a Communist, we must accept and welcome struggle in all facets of our lives, personal as well as political…. We feel that the best way to struggle out contradictions in our personal lives is in stable monogamous relationships between men and women based on mutual lives and respect. Because homosexuals do not carry the struggle between men and women into their most personal relationships they are not prepared, in principle, for the arduous task of class transformation>When homosexuality is raised to a principle, when the banner of 'gay is good' is raised as a strategy for defeaing imperialism, then it becomes a reactionary force retarding the struggle of the working class and of the people as a whole….The only real liberation, the only road to real happiness for homosexuals – like all people caught in the mire and muck of bourgeois decadence – is to eliminate the reactionary, rotting system that drives them to homosexuality; and to build a new society, under the rule of the working class, that promotes working class culture and ideology…in opposition to selfishness, self-indulgence and the decadence of individualism and exploitative relations."and that was pretty much the standard view around the Communist world
No. 170102
>>170072NTA but im so tempted to spoil OP of noiz route of reconnect
especially the CG of when hes sitting down to talk with grandma which ran as a meme in the fandom for weeks, it's so fucking hilarious to me even nowMan I was in dmmd fandom and got a few friends from it but for some reasons I never ran into the drama which seemed to happen constantly at the time. Any of the nonna can recall the instances?
No. 170116
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this would be a beautiful list if that crack self-insert gojo ship didn't exist
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So I finished dmmd! The first time I heard about this game was back in 2013? I was baby and I thought it's supposed to be some sort of "hardcore yaoi" game kek I knew some stuff about it so right now I can't say that I went in fully blind but it exceeded my expectations. I absolutely love the art direction, the emo scene(?) fashion style mixed with y2k is kinda nostalgic. I'm glad it had a solid plot instead of it just being pwp but if i had something to criticize, I wish the individual routes were longer. They felt kinda short and besides Clear's route which had a small gimmick, it was too easy to get the good ending. So yeah I wish that part was more developed… but overall it was really enjoyable and much to my surprise, it had a ton of wholesome moments?? Some of the sex scenes were heartwarming ngl.
My favorite is Clear but i liked Ren's route the most. But I wish I didn't knew his route existed beforehand. It's probably better if you start the game without being aware of any spoilers. Btw Noiz's bad ending was the most shocking part for me cause I didn't expect that amount of gore.Also that pierced dick lol.Koujaku's bad ending was kinda underwhelming.
You know after playing dmmd I wonder why couldn't nitro chiral continue releasing similar BL games. I didn't play slow damage but I don't think it has dmmd's charm…
No. 170149
>>170093When wokies talk about communism they mean an utopian dream where they can laze around in a queer communal mansion where all housework is done by someone else, their bourgeois hormone and surgery treatments are paid by the state and the only thing they're expected to "contribute" to society is posting hot takes on twitter and hawking shitty Aliexpress jewellery with trans flags. Not the kind where they would be assigned to a factory job and receive food rations kek. Capitalism deserves criticism but these people are just a different shade of selfish ultraconsoomerism.
sage because why the fuck are we talking about communism in the BL thread
No. 170164
>>170138>You know after playing dmmd I wonder why couldn't nitro chiral continue releasing similar BL games. I didn't play slow damage but I don't think it has dmmd's charm…I've seen some gameplay of Slow Damage and I agree, so far it doesn't have the same charm. Doesn't help that all the love interests seem kinda bland and the edgy aesthetic isn't for me.
But I'm glad you enjoyed DMMD anon! It will always have a place in my heart not only because of the degenerate memes but because it's just so unique and weirdly wholesome compared to other BL games.
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Just in case you didn't know, there was a new volume of Oni to Tengoku called 鬼と天国 再 released in Japan today!
In the author's notes in the back it is mentioned there'll be at least one more after this one.
They're still super cute together, though since they're officially dating there's of course less power dynamic stuff going on. But they still both have issues so it's fine.
No. 170185
>>170183talking about badly scans manga. I remembered awhile back on MRM there would be a trend of scanslations where a page suddenly got repeated in a middle of a chapter because a fan contributor wanted to color that page. It was really disruptive to the pace. Not to mention other intrusive "T/N: X character is so hot 0///0" which just pissed me off.
This is why I stopped going to MRM for a couple of years now and just buy directly from mangaka, especially when magazine ebooks are more available now than before.
No. 170246
>>170229>>170237I mean dislike playing those types of games in general, If there was a matchmaking dating simulator game where you pair of different people, I'd happily play it
but activelt being one character, reading dialogue, its just tedious and not my cup of tea
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name a bigger cuck
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>>170246>If there was a matchmaking dating simulator game where you pair of different people, I'd happily play it Kitty power’s matchmaker is the only thing I could think of, and it’s pretty much just a shitpost game.
No. 170686
>>170619Shiki was annoying as fuck, literally the only good thing about him is Hikaru Midorikawa. He'd be cool and edgy if he were a standard antagonist in a more family friendly JRPG maybe, but
the whole route being about rape got old very fast and the really shitty endings made me feel like I wasted my time, especially the one where he's brain dead because he finds killing people boring or some shit. Motomi and Keisuke have the best routes imo.
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>>170619>not watching togainu no chi for Rin…?
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New VN with the hashihime artist, praying this gets a translation because fang boi is a QT.
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I have read over 200 BL manga this year. I'm going to hell.
You can find the whole list here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_26IlWIXomL3MPjww3kA9s9tp5PytSXOKwtF2wH-yNk/The ones I liked are marked with ❤︎ in this post. Post picture is ❤︎ 素人ヤンキー♂危機一発！！ Shirouto yankii ♂ Kiki ippatsu!!
可愛いから君がわるい Kawaii kara kimi ga warui 稔ねんこ Nen Nenko
Twins (male and female) have a childhood friend. Male twin thinks childhood friend is into female twin, but childhood friend is actually into male twin. Hijinks. Boring hijinks. idk.
未熟なトローチ Mijuku na Troche 水城ゆたか Mizuki Yutaka
Medical intern is goaded into using a thinly veiled compensated dating app, believing it to be an app for young people to find a mentor. He meets with a high school student who is dreaming of studying medicine and they very slowly begin a relationship. This was actually pretty nice and very wholesome.
❤︎ かじつ Kajitsu 阿部はちた Abe Hachita
Two boys used to be step-brothers before their parents divorced. One visits the other over the summer and admits his feelings to him. The setting was quite nice, they're located in Okinawa, and I liked the pace of the story. The boys look pretty young, but that's just the art style.
❤︎ けものあそび Kemono Asobi もちの米 Mochino Kome
Boy from a god family is actually aroused by pain. Creeps his way into a delinquent's life. This was actually pretty cute, I like when mean guys are actually just hurt (uwu).
俺のおにくちゃん Ore no Oniku-chan もちの米 Mochino Kome
Popular uni student from a good family used to be fat and ugly, but isn't anymore. When he was fat, a kid from school used to spend time with him, but hasn't contacted him since his graduation. They meet again, with uni student now being hot, but turns out the school friend is actually into fat people. Kind of weird, but fun enough.
エッチなことおしえてください Ecchi na koto oshiete kudasai 晴屋うまこ Hareya Umako
Tale as old as time: Virgin goes to prostitute to learn about sex, actually falls in love with prostitute. No surprises, but good enough.
シュガーとマスタード Sugar to Mustard はなさわ浪雄 Hanasawa Namio
Dom/Sub Universe. Sub is matched with a Dom who was socialised as a sub (something about there not being enough subs to go around) and decides to make him into his perfect Dom. Cute.
Introduction Introduction 春田 Haruta
Collection of short stories. Model falls in love with his editor (which is the one I bought this for) / two high school boys confess their love / dry cleaner falls in love with a customer / University student falls in love with another student who is into photography / guy is cheated on by his girlfriend with his best friend, goes to a club, gets consoled by a guy's dick / Delivery man gets it on with another delivery man who has a delivery staff uniform fetish / Assistant is in love with the author he assists. These varied quite a bit in how much I liked them, but that's always the risk with anthologies like this.
かわいいは僕のキズ Kawaii wa boku no kizu 如月マナミ 無理薫 Kisaragi Manami / Muri Kaoru
Two guys with a problem many LC users share: They are just too pretty. So they hide their faces in uni, but a crowded train demasks them to each other and they start getting closer. Actually pretty cute, even though the premise is as believable as Santa.
Hate my MIA! Hate my MIA! 人鳥ぺんぎん Hitotori Pengin
Dude masturbates to the softcore porn pictures his co-worker uploads, actually loathes said co-worker though. They end up fucking and falling in love, but somehow it's a snooze fest.
新芽のふたり Shinme no Futari 本間ぴるぱ Honma Pirupa
Two idols can't stand each other. Because one of them is photographed leaving a hotel with a woman, he is put on house arrest, with the other supervising him. They start having sex to alleviate sexual desire but later start dating. The other story is about an assistant director who works with an actor he's a fan of. Pretty standard stories but cute enough.
年下彼氏は宅配のお兄さんです。 Toshishita Kareshi wa Takuhaibin no Oniisan desu. 湯本みこ Yumoto Miko
Several short stories: A longhaired guy and his delivery company boyfriend, a gay guy who wakes up after having slept with his neighbour not remembering the events of the night, one guy in love with his childhood friend, a teacher with his former student. Sweet enough but didn't leave much of an impression.
見つけたボクのオメガ様 Mitsuketa boku no omega-sama 夏のティー Natsuno Tea
ABO. Omega used to be super cocky before being mercilessly bullied for being Omega, gets approached by former elementary school class mate Alpha. Alpha tries to make Omega fall for him and to make him cocky again. This was interesting as a thought experiment on what would happen in ABO realistically once the categorization is revealed, but other than that I didn't care for any of the characters.
❤︎ イキガミとドナー Ikigami to Donor 山中ヒコ Yamanaka Hiko
Sci-Fi in which countries fight wars with superpowered Ikigami, humans who can't be hurt by knives or explosions, are extremely strong and can fly. However, when they get hurt, normal medicine can't help them - they need a matching donor, who can heal them with bodily fluids (you know where this is going). A school teacher becomes the donor for an Ikigami. Surprisingly moving, I cried. Would recommend.
捨てないでマイヒーロー Sutenaide My Hero ひもだQ Himoda Q
ABO. Alpha is pursued by Omega he once protected in school, Omega promises to do everything for Alpha and later pressures the Alpha into biting him. Alpha is the uke and the relationship is actually kind of interesting/disfunctional.
先生、我慢できません Sensei, Gaman dekimasen Arinco Arinco
ABO. Alpha who is immune to pheromones teaches at a school for omegas and betas. All the kids in school fall in love with him, but as he doesn't smell the pheromones it doesn't cause him any trouble. Until of course he does smell one kid. Alpha teacher is the uke, but other than that it was kind of boring.
君はアルファ Kimi wa Alpha アサナエアラタ Asanae Arata
ABO. Two boys going to an elite school for Alphas, one turns into an omega by some medical shenanigans. Meh.
怒った顔もエロいです Okotta kao mo eroi desu ウノハナ Unohana
A TV producer who always gets angry at his assistant director at work, but actually they sleep together. The TV producer is afraid of the dark because of some trauma, information the AD first uses to ask him for sex. Nice angry uke. Not completed so far.
❤︎ 社長、おすわりの時間です Shachou, osuwari no jikan desu めがね Megane
Dom/sub. A sub company boss gets a new dom secretary. To stop the boss from having random hookups with doms, the secretary offers to take care of him. Nice dynamic. Incomplete.
❤︎ 素人ヤンキー♂危機一発！！ Shirouto yankii ♂ Kiki ippatsu!! 八百 Yao
Yankii gets roped into doing porn with a popular porn actor. If you like seeing tough guys squirm and cry - 10/10.
エッチな彼氏は雄っぱいが好き Ecchi na kareshi wa oppai ga suki すーざん Suuzan
Personal trainer at a gym is interested in his latest client, turns out the client is interested in him too - especially his pecs. The drawing style isn't really my thing, but other than that it's quite inoffensive.
俺を見て。 Ore o mite. 百瀬あん Momose An
Friends since childhood, one in love with the other who he thinks is straight. One day he sees him kiss a man and decides to take action, and they make out but can't have sex because trauma or something. Two years later, they rekindle their relationship. IDK, the drama seemed quite fabricated and I couldn't really get invested in the characters. This is Momose An's first book, she got better ones.
年上彼氏のヤバイ性癖 Toshiue kareshi no yabai seiheki さばみそ Sabamiso
Young boy is lured into the home of a programmer with promises of video games (it's fine though, the programmer is hot and also the uke) and they start a relationship. The seme is in middle school, so maybe not quite shota? No idea honestly. Uke has a past of abuse. This was actually pretty good. Second story included is of a high schooler with a muscle fetish who gets a classmate to pose for pictures and measurements. Didn't like that one.
カラーにくちづけ Collar ni kuchizuke OOY OOY
Dom/sub universe. Sub was forcibly given a collar when he was in high school and he is unhappy with his relationship. During his job as a babysitter he meets a kind Dom who writes Dom/sub novels. The main couple was pretty cute together. I'll never understand why in BL involving children 5-year-olds are the same size as literal babies.
兄貴の一番おいしいところ Aniki no ichiban oishii tokoro 瑞原ザクロ Mizuhara Zakuro
Twins, one who is very talented with kyudo but useless in basically anything else, and one who has a serious brother-complex and does everything for his brother and is secretly in love with him. idk, I couldn't really get interested in the characters and twincest is maybe not my favourite trope either.
白峰くんはケモノに癒されたい Shiromine-kun wa kemono ni iyasaretai 桃季さえ Momoki Sae
Overworked office worker finds an invitation to a special relaxing space on his desk. Turns out it's a super immersive video game which also has an adult mode. This was so weird and bad, suddenly it turns out there are human/animal hybrids in the real world but also not and one of the office worker's co-workers is some kind of prince or whatever and… head scratch inducing.
今夜ベッドで待っていろ Kon'ya Bed de matteiru 斉川冬 Saikawa Fuyu
Two high schoolers who are dating - they should be so happy, but the seme evades all advances by the uke. Turns out, he's kind of afraid of breaking the small uke with his gigantic dick. As you are. Nice if you're into size differences, the uke was a bit too cute/female-coded for me.
黒猫は狼王子の夢を見るか Kuroneko wa Ookami Ouji no Yume o miru ka 野津ウドン Notsu Udon
Catboy always dreamt of one day finding his prince, finds him in a gay porn actor wolfboy. However when they meet and have sex by plot magic, wolfboy isn't as nice as expected. Catboy was pretty cute.
バイ・マイ・サイド By my Side ナツメカズキ Natsume Kazuki
Grown up childhood friends who live next door to each other, one day one of them sees the other masturbating and calling his name. A bit more realistic take on what would happen in a situation like this, even if both parties are interested. I like BL with grown-ups who react somewhat like actual people.
従順にワンと言って Juujun ni wan to itte 中川カネ子 Nakagawa Kaneko
A weird man comes into the police box of a young police officer at night and violates him (with a pen?!). Turns out the man is a detective of high rank, and he keeps coming to the young police officer. Tone-wise this was pretty weird, at some point they're suddenly in love. Also involves another short story about guys who monitor an experiment in which two guys are put in a room and told that they can only leave after a few days - unless they have sex, in which case they can leave immediately. Also involves another short story in which a couple isn't having sex yet and one of the guys finds onahos in the other's home. The sex parts in general are pretty good, the rest is meh.
教室を出たら俺のモノ Kyoushitsu o detara ore no mono しえろ Shiero
Super popular student is actually having sex with a non-popular classmate. Quite a lot of sex, I found the couple quite cute.
蜜果 Mitsuka akabeko akabeko
Host's boyfriend is the manager of a gay brothel. I don't even know what else to write about it, it's not bad though.
嫌いな上司は秘密のオナフレ Kirai na joushi wa himitsu no onafure KINACO KINACO
Two stories about masturbation in the workplace: Salaryman is found by a coworker after masturbating on the toilet and gets blackmailed into doing sexual things with him (and they of course fall in love because this is BL). Another salaryman wants someone to fuck him, goes to a gay bar, meets his boss, they fuck (and fall in love because this is BL). Kind of standard fare.
後藤さんは俺を買いたい Goto-san wa ore wo kaitai めがね Megane
Man goes into a gay bar and asks a high schooler there to let him buy him. The high schooler reminds the man of his first love. They start sleeping together for money, but of course feelings and whatever. Younger seme and glasses uke, not bad.
チャンネル登録よろしくね Channel touroku yoroshiku ne 三尾じゅん太 Mio Junta
Student has a YouTube account with his girlfriend, after she breaks up with him his friend offers to help out and they end up having a gay couple YouTube channel. This one felt like the writer expected there to be more than one volume, some loose threads and the friend character is implied to be of questionable morality which is never explored.
オオカミくんは俺しかいらない Ookami-kun wa ore shika iranai 美和 Miwa
Good-looking guy who had planned on being popular in high school has stopped growing, wants to learn to be manly to get female attention by copying a classmate. It does not go as expected.
スロー・ラブ・ライフ Slow Love Life 三木原針 Mikihara Shin
Man opens a restaurant in the boonies, gets helped out by a younger guy. They slowly develop a relationship. This was pretty cozy, I liked it.
アイドル君は暴かれたい Idol-kun wa abakaretai 縞ほっけ Shimahokke
Paparazzi is trying to land a scoop, turns out he used to go to the same school as a famous idol. When he meets said idol during his work, he gets invited into the idol's home, gets drunk and they fuck - which the paparazzi obviously tries to use for his big break. I like idol BL, this was pretty standard fare but cute enough.
No. 172013
>>171980I pay money for them.
Most I buy digitally on CMOA, some I buy physical copies from second hand stores and some I rent from Tsutaya. I live in Japan so access is not a problem
at all. Which is a problem in itself.
No. 172058
>>172044Digitally way over a hundred, physically it's 6 right now. I tend to read them and then sell them again. I read a lot of stuff that's not that great. Not actively bad, but also not something I'll remember. So yeah, I've spent way too much money on shit I didn't enjoy that much, but such is life.
In general I buy by author if I liked something by them before, or if someone recommends something (nonnas in this thread as well!) I'll give it a look. And then of course there are books I buy just by cover or the free samples, and sometimes that can be money down the drain. Chil Chil is also a pretty great resource if you're looking for something specific.
No. 172096
>>172095>>172094Samefag, there's this rec for both otoge and BL games, I found it on /blog/:
https://pastebin.com/dDnYWGemIt's more about manga but there's this one from the BL discussion thread on /y/:
https://controlc.com/d35582dd And then there's that one anon who posts on a regular basis about manga as well:
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>>169894i know this is a old post but thank you for speaking about this, its driven me insane past few months. I really miss the time when fe3h was at its peak hype and the amount of amazing fanfics including felix were coming out in rapid speed. I still love ships including felix but like you said nowadays its all tranny stuff and its common in western side of fanart twitter too. Hes a amazing character and did not deserve this treatment. I hope you can return to fanfics one day again anon
No. 172851
>>172753I've finished minakami and kawase's routes and
I wish kawase was a bit more brutal with tamamori during their sex scene kek. But on a more serious note so far it ended up having a ton of unexpected plot twists, it really is a good VN.
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>>172851Minkami is the canon route but I’m more into Kawase honestly, probably because he doesn’t baby Tamamori honestly.
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Shiki meme
No. 173261
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Hi I'm also here to blogpost about my hashihime playthrough, I just finished the first route last night and the biggest thing I noticed was that one of the H CG has Tamamori's foot backwards… Did no one notice? kek In general the faces are fine but the art is really wonky at times. I'll take it though.
I'm looking forward to Kawase's route the most and then the Professor's even though I've heard The first two routes are the best ones. Unfortunately, while the story was quite compelling, Tamamori's voice and personality (at times) annoyed the shit out of me for no discernable reason and while I liked Minakami, I didn't really feel THAT much for him. I'm also generally not a fan of 'muh fated lover reincarnated over and over' shit so it didn't really land for me personally. Now I'm going to go through the rest of the game and think about how I'm basically cucking Minakami in any route that's not his. Also, the hottest guy in the game so far is future Tamamori. What the fuck? I also did not expect to literally make no choices in the game, I went in blind and thought it was a normal VN.
I'll come back with more long thoughts after I finish the next route. Does anyone know if the switch version cut out the sex scenes? The JP trailer states the rating is CERO-D but the English desc of said trailer states 12+. I want to get my fujo friend who doesn't play VNs to play this. Thanks nonnas.
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I honestly never found Tamamori that annoying (aside from the 'I'm not gay but I fuck men' meme he has), I thought he was stupid yes but I genuinely felt bad for him a lot of the time and related to a lot of the stuff he was struggling with especially his whole 'I have no actual friends' stuff.
Anyway here's a cute but silly plushie of him.
No. 173309
>>173302thats not true. he has real feelings for
kaoru as well kek
No. 173311
>>173309sonhusband…… this paired with
hanazawa's random rape scene and tamamori who reads like an early 2000s tsundere uke make me think that the creator is an old school fujo
No. 173624
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I don't have anything to contribute except I'm replaying Pokemon Sun and reminded of how much I love this type of pairing. "Bad boy" getting dominated by a more prim and proper boy.
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anorectal violence
No. 174341
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>>174221>click the link>search around the site>go to /ex/>’how ‘extreme’ can it be? Probably Omega stuff lol’>immediately greeted with shota shit>immediately close tabIs this stuff just going to be allowed on the site? I feel kinda grossed out by that tbh
No. 174403
>>174237will be fixed when I get in contact with someone good at CSS
>>174333yes, type in the spoiler code for text
>>174341the site is still small with little to no users so far so we kind of lumped things together until there was a need to separate, shota thread is removed and the shota anons will get their own board so they won't post that stuff in other boards, not sure if I should keep it hidden or not though.
>>174348>Also how do we know this isn't some shitty honeypot for user IPs?I do not get anyone's IP, it shows up to me as a long line of text and symbols, even my own, so I cannot read it or use it to dox anyone, we just compare it to see who is samefagging in a malicious way or to keep track of trolls if they appear
>>174351>Site is half brokenstill fixing many of the issues with the original code as much as I can, would you like to share specific issues you have so I can add them to the list? would appreciate that
No. 174425
>>174386The point is fujos producing it aren't doing it with the intention of it being CP, regardless of how you feel about it. This is the same debate as the violent video games one.
>>174400Eh well let's keep it to japanese artists since they're the ones mostly producing bl. I didn't say all of them were into it, but you would be surprised. Women drawing shota or manga with young boys experienced a boom in 2015. All those big fujo and kid's anime also have big female shotacon fanbases. Like I said chances are some of your favorite jp authors are into it too. It's not a big deal.
No. 174464
>>174455if someone doesn’t want to fuck children why can’t they look at regular paintings/artwork etc which features children? if you’re looking at sexualised and eroticised artwork of children i’m going to assume you have a certain level of sexual attraction to children. and i think most sane people would think the same. extreme internet and coom brainrot has convinced you otherwise.
if you’re a furry who likes sexualised drawings of animals i’m going to assume you have some level of attraction to animals, if you like artwork that is not anthropomorphic. it’s the same deal. if you have a normal appreciation of animals you can enjoy numerous art of animals that isn’t sexualised.
also bestiality is not as bad as pedophilia in my opinion.
No. 174482
>>174465I still stand by the claim that women can't be pedos. If they could, men wouldn't make up 99% of all child abuse cases. Just like women don't become serial killers strangling prostitutes or internet dates just because they have the urge to kill. If I see a moid who's into shota I assume that the FBI should check their hard drive, discord logs and basement immediately, but if I see a woman liking shota? It's repulsive, but ultimately I roll my eyes and leave. I assume she's probably dealing with some sexual distortion and only into shota because they can't hurt or threaten her or she's self-inserting into one and calling her out will probably make her even more messed up. It's a controversial opinion but I will never act as if men and women doing the same thing has the exact same reasoning behind them when women, according to all possible statistics, are not violent or degenerate as men.
As for the anons (mostly outside of this thread but I know they lurk) calling slender teenage boys "shotas", stop muddying the conversation. Some fujo liking a 18-year old twink is not pedophilia.
No. 174485
>>174453I think the problem is that you think they see them as real children. To me they simply don't, they look like anime boys. Anime boys don't act or look like real people. I think most fujos make a clear distinction between 2D and 3D.
I mean, I also do not like real gays or support them in the slightest despite loving BL. A lot of fujos are like that too. What I see in anime/manga is just not comparable to real life.
But I don't blame you. Not all people into shota think like that, (specially outside of Japan) and I would also be wary until finding out how they see it.
>>174455It depends. Furry is a western thing so they don't have this autistic perception of 3DPD. They also try to live their fantasies irl with furrsuits and always have weird child related fetishes like diapers and wetting. I would not trust them same as I wouldn't trust a fujo with a life size anime boy doll.
No. 174487
>>174485>I mean, I also do not like real gays or support them in the slightest despite loving BL. A lot of fujos are like that too. Speak for yourself, despite the misogyny in gay circles I still support anyone's right to be homosexual and gay men aren't inherently bad because they're gay, their misogyny is based on being men and born into male entitlement. Catty HSTSs and IRL twinks who seethe over bio vaginas and call them fish smelling stinks because straight men won't fuck them are a subset despised even by other gay men because they're petty and bitter. That's why they lust after straight men specifically and experience jealousy over women.
I do agree that the male characters in BL are not at all comparable to real life moids and more akin to women in male bodies but going as far as to claiming that "no fujos support irl gay men" is some thinly veiled homophobia instead of
valid manhate. Some anons on this site really tell on themselves when their main problem seems to be with t4t aidens and gay men.
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the moment anon comments on ugh ew shota on an external fujo imageboard and thread has escalated into another unhinged discussion that could've taken place on twitter. i am so tired.
unrelated topic, any anon here have any cringe BL webtoon to recommend. I recently ran into this one called Authentic Gay Education (which is, surprisingly written by YD - Blindplay author). There are only three chapters scanlated and it's absolutely garbage.
okay drama related but YD got her twitter suspended earlier this month because of antishippers and it's so fucking funny
No. 174540
>>174485So many bad takes in one post, Christ. While liking shota isn't a crime, it's gross and I'm going to judge you for it.
Hating gay people while jerking off to them is moid behavior. While gay men in real life obviously aren't much like the characters in BL, they're still human beings that deserve to be treated fairly, ffs. Also, not all of us are NEETs who are repulsed by real life men, don't project your femceldom on the rest of us. I like drawings of hot guys and photos of them, cope.
>>174490If I didn't know better, I'd assume anon was a moid, but she probably just lives in a third world country or something kek.
No. 174545
>>174487>>174489The point is I make a clear difference between 2D and 3D, like a lot of other fujos do. To me no anime boy of any age looks or acts anything like a real person, so that's why I don't equate shota to real CP.
Also I made sure I said not ALL fujos are like this so please read more carefully.
>>174540I don't hate men (I have a bf), or gays. I simply have no reason to like them just because I like anime boys. They are two different things.
No. 174578
>>174545You do understand that "I don't hate gays, I just don't like them" isn't a very convincing statement? Either you're ESL and aren't coming across clearly enough or you're just an idiot.
>>174577Shit bait, leave
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>>174580>>174577Gay shit is hot regardless of whether it's 2D or 3D. If you're seething at IRL gays when you could be happily watching them make out, I feel bad for you. Gay rights also means more media with men kissing in it, and I fail to see how that's a problem.
No. 174728
>>174715nta but I know for a fact that IRL gay scrotes are disgusting and more likely degenerate, plus IRL gay sex seems unappealing asf
fecal matter and the disgusting terms they use(bussy, daddy, babyboy) and I just give up
I prefer 2d males or 2d depictions of 3d males
No. 174733
>>174728I mean. Yeah men are gross. Sometimes that's part of the appeal, though. Sometimes you want some dirty boys being all sloppy with each other.
I really don't understand why people have so many hang-ups about anal. Just do prep and/or wear a condom. Plus there are plenty of other ways two men can have sex, and there are actually gay men out there who don't like anal themselves. Seems like kind of a dumb thing to judge people for.
No. 174738
>>174733Nope
hate anything involving real human asses, just the thought it makes me wanna hurl
No. 174751
>>174746I'm not an autist, I understand that 2D is fiction and the males depicted are nothing close to actual human beings
Its not that hard to comprehend
No. 174831
>>174736I'm the anon who posted
>>174697, I just think she's based, just because I share her opinions doesn't mean I'm her, the fact you had to imply she's samefagging just so you could defend your 3DPD homos is just weird, just let her be and stop playing activist, moids wouldn't do this shit for anyone as far as I'm concerned. This is a thread for fujos not for members of the 3D gay defense squad, go back to Twitter.
No. 174841
>>174831Sorry anon but seeing how many fujos are lesbians the homophobia won't fly. This has been seen so many times before, it starts with the palatable "I just hate gay males because I hate all moids, it's only fair" plea and then advances to "actually fuck all IRL gay people" soon enough.
>inb4 "I'm a lesbian myself I just hate faggots!!!! uwu"Yeah right. This "fags are all degenerate misogynists" rhetoric is some underage k-pop avatar polilez shit. Take this retardation to /ot/.
No. 174845
>>174841>seeing how many fujos are lesbians the homophobia won't flyBeing homophobic towards
males homos is not discrimination against
female homos, lesbians are okay, gay males are degenerate, cope faghag.
No. 174853
>>174501>got her twitter suspended earlier this month because of antishippers no, she got banned because she doxxed and contacted the parents of someone who was scanning/translating/uploading YD's manhwa online on instagram. Not to mention the threats of lawsuits and monterary compensation.
She was absolutely fucking wrong for that, but the scanlator should've stopped uploading after the first request, too.
No. 174857
>>174846I'm not fond of "cuntboys"(just the name makes me wanna throw up) but I somewhat get it with regards to BL
The "Yaoi Hole's" of BL characters function more like well cunts then assholes, It wouldn't be that big of a leap to go from that to actual functioning Vaginas
No. 174894
>>174893It was done with Yuri on Ice already and people still refused to believe Yuuri and Victor were gay despite getting fucking engaged kek or tried to find whatever
problematic crumbs they could to bitch about it
No. 174897
>>174895Okay? It was a worldwide success even hyped up by western ice skating professionals and beloved by even people who normally aren't interested in BL and opened up the gates for more animated gay content. And like
>>174896 said Chinese fujos are printing money with Danmei and taking over the world with it, a lot of them have gotten worldwide English translated releases. What the fuck more should be done? People will hate fujos and fujo content no matter how popular it becomes and people will continue to find things wrong with it because homophobia and misogyny exists in the root of society. People hate the thought of women having something that can't be sexualized and appropriated by men and that's only meant for female enjoyment so they try to shame them into submission. That's why China banned pretty boys, men were seething over women being "brainwashed" by all these beautiful boys into raising their expectations for regular men and demanding more pandering for women only. The problem isn't fujos being lazy because fujos have one of the most active, productive small community even to the point Comiket was originally an event with a majority of fujo women organizing it but of course they had to be fucked over by pedo moids cooming to lolis just out of spite. It's absolutely not fair to accuse them of "not doing enough".
No. 174904
>>174899jp is better at sex scenes, young romance, and fulfilling every niche.
danmeis are good at writing entertaining stories with a dash of bl(the sex scenes are kinda trash fuck you jinping)
No. 174910
>>174341late af, I was excited for this too but this is a no for me as well. Some shit needs to be banned on sight instead of tolerated, not even for ‘containment’ purposes.
>>174893Serious goals. It’s worth it for this
>>174894 alone, there is nothing funnier than the nohomo audience trying to cope for enjoying something like that.
No. 174925
>>174915idc about the west i just like the surprise factor of a gay ship becoming canon. i watched mirai nikki expecting it to be just scrote pandering and
the gay kiss came like a shock, not saying that it was a canon ship but the kiss itself i mean it's kinda cool if it's unexpected you know?
No. 174969
>>174732Late post but this, gay men are no better or worse than straight men. They just don't have a woman there to tard wrangle them most of the time like straight scrotes do
>>174870I enjoy a good het pairing now and then, but dear god so many het shippers are god awful. I've seen (adult, as in 30+)fanboys have total meltdowns over fujos shipping their favorite self-insert MC with another dude instead of their preferred female character so many times, it's insane
No. 175006
>>174919YA novels are probably the closest Western equivalent to BL. you can find tons of novels of varying quality featuring gay relationships, especially as over the past few years there’s been a boom in popularity of this type of content. to name a few (not all of these are strictly YA but have gained popularity with teens) the raven cycle, six of crows, all for the game series, red white and royal blue, the song of achilles, carry on trilogy, heartstopper graphic novel series, dark rise, the mortal instruments, i’ll give you the sun, tim te maro and the subterranean heartsick blues, aristotle and dante discover the secrets of the universe.
the biggest issue at the moment is aidens writing self insert stories where one of the characters is FTM therefore making the gay relationship a straight one. probably most of the main demographic for these books don’t think of it that way but I do and I tend to avoid them.
netflix does tend to put gay couples in everything but not to the extent that you could call any of their shows the equivalent of say, a live action thai BL series.
No. 175029
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hey nonas, i randomly found this series online, i never watch yaoi but i am super into this type of pairing! does anyone have more recs for something like this, with both characters being very contrasted to each other? i especially love a big muscular man with a twink.
No. 175042
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read this a few days ago and i've never been one to read purely porny yaoi, but i'm really impressed. i'd loved to see other nona's opinion on this persons work
also link:
https://myreadingmanga.info/inumiso-sexy-armor-elf-eng/ No. 175049
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>>175029I know you've probably already read this.. but in case to haven't already .. what do I know !
https://manta.net/series/1293 No. 175061
>>175042Yeah this is just I don't know too, too feminine I guess
It feels like Yuri then Yaoi
No. 175062
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This show is amazing, I don't know how more people haven't fallen in love with it a dozen times over.
No. 175071
>>174900Why do you keep comparing danmei to non-BL content? Kuroshitsuji and Sk8 aren't BL. And of course BL doesn't get made into a high-budget anime, no crusty boomer producer wants to show two men kissing. The only reason why the Chinese novels gets animated adaptations in the first place is that they censor all the gay away so that it fits censorship rules in China.
I swear current-wave fujos only into danmei and Korean webtoons have never even read Japanese content, novels or comics, and base their views on fanfics, hearsay and the smut doujins they read at 15, not legitimate BL series.
>>175053>>175054>>175054>>175061Fucking sage your shit and put it in the same post, this isn't twitter. Are you underage or just retarded?
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>>175073I strongly agree. Good lord I agree so hard. All the petty grumpyness just.. can we just leave it and have a good time my God.
"No!! You can not have a good time because I hate fag pairings"
Like chill and masterbate okay there's something for everyone. I don't know why it's hard to love both as long as they're done really well.. Either way screw moids, Look at things that will piss them off either way and enjoy it. It's priceless.
No. 175082
Het ships are shit, otome is shit, I have literally no interest in either. I really don't understand why these things are being discussed in the fujo thread and we are being demanded to express solidarity with yumes and hetshippers who always treat fujos like something they scraped off the bottom of their soles, and on the top of it all people are bitching about Japanese BL being "uninspired" and talking about "hot bisexual MMF threesomes". I miss Gangrape-chan and her contributions to the thread.
>>175079This, I can just stay away from degenerate pedo moids by not liking stuff directed towards pedo moids but I can't ignore the straight bitches who force their scrote pandering self insert het ship on me and repeatedly call me a misogynist for preferring a m/m ship to that despite being a lesbian. Fuck all this performative "let's just be friends uwu" crap when at the same time fujos are always the only ones being expected to bend a knee.
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>>175079It's not real either way, so how could it possibly matter. This may be difficult to hear but you can't control what fujoshis/yumejos put online, you're just going to make yourself bitter.
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>>175082Maybe leave room for vagueness enough to assume the best about say… Someone like me who might exist because I also love BL.
No. 175087
>>175085Pretty much, imagine how it went down if a fujo went to /otogen/ only to talk about gay shit and how anons' number 1 husbando would actually prefer a fat cock up his ass. She would be called every name in the book and driven away and even I can admit that's a justified reaction seeing how it's contrary to the topic of the thread. But here in /fujo/ we always have to deal with this "p-please stop bullying hetshippers/yumes we're all friends here" crap because they can't stand the thought of having one place where people don't give a shit about how much they want to personally fuck a dude. If you're a yume/hetshipper then fine but at least have the common courtesy of posting only m/m here.
To start off with, why should I humour them when all we get in return is them accusing fujos of imaginary pedophilia and misogyny all the time? My patience has been worn out ages ago and the recent /ot/ infight of spergs placing the blame of /ex/'s pedoshit at every fujo's feet here didn't do anything to remedy it.
No. 175090
>>175089And for a TV animation the animation was fucking top notch, a lot of the more jumbled ones were fixed for the BluRay release seeing how they were under time constraints for the TV airing. It was phenomenal during its time and treated a gay couple like a regular romance with great writing not only with the relationship between Yuuri and Victor but also the pains of a competitive career and the artistry of ice skating. Anon going literally "ugghhh like,
gaaagggg, why does it look like thaaaaat???" is so retarded it makes me wonder if someone is camping this thread just to bait people.
No. 175093
>>175089>>175090>>175091NTA but holy shit newfag, put your retarded YOI shitposts to one fucking reply and stop shitting up the thread.
>>175092Then fuck off and stay in your lane instead of acting like you're any better than weebs, you're on a gossip website that only exists because weeby cosplayers wanted to talk shit about each other to the point they got kicked off 4chan, retard. Eat shit.
No. 175096
>>175089>>175090YOI was based af even by regular sports anime standards, focusing on adult pro athletes instead of low stakes highschool sports really sets it apart. Also the drunken banquet is unironically one of the best romcom plot twists I've seen, perfectly executed in that you never saw it coming but makes total sense in retrospect, and it was so absurdly hilarious and romantic at the same time.
Obviously it had it's flaws and limitations, the animation was inconsistent, they couldn't go all out on the romance, but you can just tell how much love for the sport and characters was poured into it by the creators. Watching as it aired was a seriously fun wild ride, I miss it.
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>>175105I'm not responding to what you think I am. I couldnt care more or less about niche preferences. Earlier when I was here someone compared Yuri on ice to an anime that could change the genre.. for the better.. like from the ground up. As something that took itself seriously enough to do so, and I just disagreed. To me personally yes it is horrible. I would rather read BL most cases but I love some of the art out there do death.
Though I guess flamboyance exists on a spectrum, some of it is just a lot and some of it just isn't.
No. 175116
>>175112 No I just hate that there is no preview button. I'm really ocd about it.
The point I'm responding to hasn't changed, its exactly the same. I just don't think artists that made ..that crap.. really took it or themselves as seriously as you think.
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nonas pls don't fight, we don't have to turn on each other. that's what the bitter moids would want
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>>175131Speaking of Harry Potter something I always found kind of funny was how little Ron would get shipped with anyone, there were certainly some ships of him but compared to the library's worth of content for just one paring in the Fandom, Ron wasn't even discussed that much despite being part of the main trio
I think it was likely due to the fact that Rupert Grint wasn't particularly good looking
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Posting my favorite official BL /co/ moments
No. 175147
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>>175145Wolverine from Earth-12025 who is canonically gay and is in a relationship with Hercules
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>>175148This is earth-616 Hercules, he's bi-sexual
No. 175205
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Why are homoerotic shounen friendships and bait shounen-ai ships so superior to canon pairings?
No. 175209
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>Went on tumblr for the first time in ages just for fun, thought I'd check in on what the young'ins are doing in my old/current fandoms
>Non-stop bitching about fujos from fakeboi gaydens calling themselves MLM achillean faggots who send death threats to other 15 year old girls for shipping two dudes together without changing their pronouns to he/it first
>"pro-shippers" support fujoshis, but only because they think anti-fujo rhetoric is TERFy(lmao) and openly talk about how anti-fujos are preventing future fakebois from finding their true gay male selves through explicit BakuDeku fanfiction
>Moids and obnoxious yumejos/hetshippers still relentlessly harass any and all fujos, but now under the guise of wokeness
Makes me glad that I'm in my late 20's, being a young fujo today seems way worse than it was back in the day. In the late aughts/early 2010s all we had to worry about was there being like one Japanese speaker available to translate doujins and the occasional moid meltdown, not other girls doxing you for being a fetishistic homophobe because you're a girl who thinks Male Character A and Male Character B are cute together, kek
No. 175211
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>>175205Because they get to actually have a proper friendship, whereas het pairings are usually just a thing because "she was a girl, he was a boy" or sth.
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>>175205Because the things you create with your own imagination will always be more fulfilling to you personally than the same ideas executed by someone else. It's why a good mystery is often more enticing than a direct, concrete answer. A lot of slash shippers are like dogs chasing cars– we don't know what we'd do if the ship was actually made canon, because in many ways, the wanting it to be is the fun part. Imagining all the different ways the ship could play out is the fun part, and sometimes being given a concrete, canon depiction makes it a little less fun.
Also, the existing, assumed-to-be-straight main characters are often more fleshed out than the token gay side characters. It's more fulfilling to ship characters that are dimensional and fully realized, which is why the most popular slash ship in a fandom is typically the two characters with the most lines or screentime. This isn't to say there are
no stories where two main characters end up in a gay relationship, but they're pretty rare.
No. 175215
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>>175211Samefag, sorry.
Friendship between men and women is not as common in Japan as elsewhere. In contrast there's a sports club culture in the schools that puts basically boy-only and girl-only groups together for a prolonged time and forces them to forge strong bonds.
Writers only write what they know, most of the shonen series are written by men, and so they write scenes of friendship that can seem over the top loyal and inspire fujos everywhere.
See: "If you die, I'll kill you" and "Save me first" and tons of other lines in JJK.
Also, what
>>175214 said. The amount of different scenarios these people come up with is amazing. "What if Itadori was a firefighter and Fushiguro was a veterinarian and they were both 25 and met and fell in love?!" is a whole genre of Yuji/Megumi shipping. Basically the characters are ripped out of the original work and plugged into all kinds of BL story devices.
No. 175216
>>175209I can't read "MLM" as anything other than "multi-level marketing."
Anyway, I honestly think gaydens are a bigger scourge to fujoshis than lolifags are, if only because it's obvious that they're self-hating fujoshis who want every other fujoshi to hate herself. Aidens basically cannibalize their own kind for the approval of gay scrotes who don't even care in the first place. To date, I've never heard an actual gay man complain about yaoi being homophobic– it's consistently a complaint made by FTMs. I honestly believe FTMs think enjoying yaoi is something they've "earned" by lopping their tits off. Like they've decided only men can objectify other men, and if you want to have the privilege of objectifying men, you have to mutilate yourself into a facsimile of one. It goes without saying that it's fucking demented and misogynistic as hell.
No. 175217
>>175209Actual doompill posting hours. As a fujo in my early 30's I miss the worryfree days we took for granted in 2010 when everyone shipped whatever
problematic ship they wanted without consequences and only the most unhinged, legitimately misogynistic fujos actually took the troonpill while the overwhelming majority remained relatively normal or at most larped as an anime boy while remaining a woman in real life. Hetshippers were laughed out of the fandom space for bitching about fujos dismissing their Mary Sues, now they're joining the "you're fetishizing MLM" squad only to bully fujos into accepting their piece of shit hetship.
Those truly were the days and if I knew they would come to a close so soon I would've appreciated them more. Now I only have my girlfriend and the few fellow oldfag fujos to talk to, I'm too tired of overly sensitive zoomers to even post about my ships on social media. Bitch can't even call an ambiguously aged anime boy cute without being branded a pedophile for being over 25 by some lunatic twitterfag kinning him. Do these dumb kids think it's the teenagers writing all the characters they simp for or something?
No. 175223
>>175216The biggest complaint I've heard from gay men w/r/t yaoi/BL is that it doesn't appeal to them, but none have actually seemed offended by it. Bi guys are way more likely to actually like it though, something I've always found funny
You're definitely right that Aidens think they've earned the right to like yaoi because they're troo and honest men and not icky girls anymore, as if the genre isn't made by and for women. It's so funny when the few who do recognize this cope by trying to say they hate yaoi for being rapey/made by women but support bara because it's more wholesome and made by gay men, since anyone who's ever actually read bara knows that it can get waaay worse than yaoi/BL when it comes to romanticizing rape.
No. 175224
>>175214I half-agree with you as I don't believe the unattainability of the ship plays as strong of a part as the fact that it's often just better fleshed out than the overused "main character with his obnoxious wife-2-be he shared one line with during the show's run and had zero chemistry with" setting. Most fujos both know that their OTP would never turn into reality, but also they would welcome it with glee if it ever happened. The most recent example being Promare, people walked into the movie for the two male main characters that already looked shippable and while they were never outright confirmed as lovers you sure couldn't deny the implications
such as them kissing in a very drawn-out, intense moment both the movie and the post-movie promotional material gave to the fans.
>>175216I highly doubt they're even looking for the approval of gay males, most of them are definitely doing it for performative reasons to gain social media clout. But as for the people who actually take it to heart, once I read the theory that they're so appalled by "evil fujos fetishizing MLM" because in their minds they conflate fujos with the staceys who bullied them for being non-straight women while simultaneously squeeing over male homosexuals it made sense.
>>175223Absolutely. The bara they consume isn't nowhere near in style to the content legitimate gay men post. I follow plenty of fudanshi artists and see them RTing each other, shit is so much more ~pwoblematic~ than any of the wholesome hairy dadbod appreciator aidens love.
No. 175226
>>175216I think Aidens are more of a symptom than the problem itself, they troon out because they feel guilty about liking gay ships in the first place. The source of that guilt is just SJWs rhetoric in general I guess, there are occasionally gay men who talk shit about fujos and other women definitely do. I see it on lolcow all the time.
>>175224>also they would welcome it with glee if it ever happened. Absolutely. I think the reason non canon ships are more popular than, say, canon BL manga that gets adapted, is because a) mainstream series are just better quality and b) half the fun of a romance subplot (whether it's het or not) is the 'will they won't they' factor. It's more fun to see a relationship develop over time and wait to see what happens rather than knowing in advance they get together.
No. 175240
>>175236Shounen manga are usually about something different than love. They have to slay the monster/fight the rival school/whatever and thus they have many chances to develop a relationship and a bond apart from "I love you so much uwu you're so hot uwu".
Yaoi has degrees obviously, but many times it's just a shallow love story with sex and only 6 chapters. Of course something with 200 chapters is going to be deeper.
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>>175226>>175240I'm
>>175214 and I honestly should have thought about what you anons are saying. Fujoshis are female nerds after all, so we also love a good science fiction, fantasy, or action plot. As another anon mentioned, that's part of why Promare was so popular in our community– it's not just that it was a canon depiction of a gay romance, it's that Promare is ALS a really fun action/sci fi story with awesome music and visual design. I liked Yami no Matsuei for the same reasons– the BL is just a b-plot to an action/supernatural story.
No. 175264
>>175217I agree so much. I remember back in 2010s all my weeb friends being into shipping and yaoi and the only drama was which Hetalia ship was the best one. Even the gaydens didn't usually care what got your rocks off.
Now I see teenagers online doxxing and sending death threats to people because someone dared to "identify" as a girl or a woman while shipping two male characters or thinking Giorno Giovanna is cute.
I miss the times when it was at least somewhat acceptable to reblog or post fanart thirst traps of two male anime characters without having a bunch of 15 year old Aydens in your notes calling you a dirty fetishist or talk about your favorite ships without someone lecturing about how much of a
problematic piece of shit you apparently are.
No. 175265
>>175264But in my opinion they are the
problematic pieces of shit. Men run all over us in porn. They don't give two shits. Just why are fujos supposed to give a damn about their histrionic double standards???
No. 175268
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>>175264The only thing I agree with is that BL artists should take what they make WAY more seriously. Take it beyond anime AND fanfiction and the standards for anime in Japan. Throw really amazing stuff in their faces and drink up the hate. Responding to anything they say is what they desperately want. Deep down they know heteronormativity is tired ass bull. And that they really can't control what women do. That's their only goal. They're TERRIFIED to lose their snorefest to cultural elements in which the usual core idea of masculinity is challenged. Where men have to see themselves compared to women and consider how they treat women in porn, and as second class prey. They respond to fujos by pretending to see themselves as "
victims of "sleazier" fandoms ("worse than porn") but it's a massive gross entitlement complex and that's it.
Pedophilia my ass. Really for something drawn??? It's gross entitlement from trads who aren't used to stepping outside their normal. That is really the bottom line. Nothing more nothing less.
The sooner you accept it, the sooner the double standards themselves makes you disgusted, the less you'll care what they think and the more you'll enjoy throwing it in their faces.
Personally I don't really get on "that" side of tumblr though, just the actual classical and modern art side.
No. 175274
>>175265NTA but women shipping two fictional men isn't even
problematic. Women aren't dominating sex crime statistics, women don't rape, women don't diddle kids. A pornsick fujo is not likely to abuse and groom other women or children or suffer or anything but loneliness and self hate while coomer scrotoids get constantly outed for all sorts of depraved deeds. Sure there are rare deranged fujos who are accused of taking advantage of other women but 90% of that is due to their autistic lack of personal boundaries ("I knew a fujo in high school who would glomp me") and not predatory tendencies caused by excessive cooming.
>>175269In Japan yumejos tend to have a meltdown for being clumped in with fujos since Japan is traditionally homophobic as fuck and over there fujos are almost synonymous with being lesbian/bi/some sort of a stigma related to sexuality. I don't think there's a lot of overlap there between the communities as far as I know, it's more of a western community thing since true otome was first labeled as "BL" due to lack of understanding of the difference and the people bringing it over just looking at the pretty boys and associating them with fujo stuff.
No. 175278
>>175269Yumejos hate it when fujos ship their husbando with another man since they don't like seeing their precious fictional husband fuck another man(especially if he's the bottom), but from what I can tell they just don't interact with one another. Japanese fans in general are very good at staying away from things they don't like and tagging their art/doujins/etc, so there isn't a whole lot of drama between them as far as I know. Though I'm sure a lot of them have the same superiority complex western yumes do over their more "normal" interests.
>>175271Much like how male hetshippers project into bland male MCs to fantasize about getting with his waifu, yumes do the same thing with female MCs. You see this a lot in Fire Emblem or other games with customizable/build-your-own player characters.
My favorite FE yume meltdown was when they seethed so hard over one of the Fire Emblem Fates prince brothers being in love with his half-sister that they actually spurred Intelligent Systems to retcon that particular piece of lore. Unironically, way to go yumes for getting rid of unnecessary incest shit No. 175294
>>175280cause it is normal love moron, like 96% of the human race
Like just cause you've ruined your brain due to excessive pornography doesn't mean the rest of humanity is like you
You are a pornsick coomer, that's what you are, at least scrotes accpet it why don't you
No. 175297
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I just want to know what this is from. I used to have it on my laptop until it died ! How do I ever even find it again ??
No. 175301
>>175274Totally totally. I think men's greatest fear is having to live like women do, with the espectations of femininity, etc. In their backwards little minds women could become like men with comparable coombrain evil. Which is hilarious to me. I mean that they're that terrified that all of womens emotional laborings are fake that love, calm…etc dont actually play a part in anything.
Or it could just as easily be agressive smearing to keep the control they feel entitled to…. Still that doesn't explain fujohating histrionics.
Anyway It's peak bizarre for me how tightly heteros and men keep a lid on their REAL secrets. All the effort to prance around in an even more questionable rage but never reveal the real reason you get this way over something as contrived as BL as a woman's interest.
Its telling. They know perfectly well how much we should really just hate them, and yet most women don't. Even I'm totally ignoring moids about 80% of the time.
No. 175381
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Anyone else like laughing at vintage ‘anti yaoi’ comics? 2000s DA edge always gives me a good laugh.
No. 175428
>>175262>That's why I feel bad for fujos who primarily ship characters from shounen seriesI don't care about it, it's not like I was expecting it to happen in the first place. Now fujobait series like Free! are frustrating
>>175278>Yumejos hate it when fujos ship their husbando with another man I've never seen a woman give a shit about her husbando's BL pairings. Waifufags are the ones who throw a bitch fit when their self-insert gets shipped with another dude.
No. 175507
>>175297I think this may be a hetalia doujin?
I don't know what other series has the character named "arthur
No. 175511
>>175499Currently they're trying really hard to push Zhongli x Ningguang as "canon" because Ningguang's new skin got leaked and people are taking that as "proof" that she's a reincarnation of a goddess Zhongli hung out with hundreds of years ago with no indication of them having been romantically involved, just because of some reachy theory kek. Childe and Zhongli are a ridiculously popular BL pairing and they seethe over it constantly. Diluc x Jean is another het cope, people hate how Kaeya x Diluc is so well established even the official Genshin account made a joke about it. At least waifufag moids want the waifus for themselves and don't want to be cucked by imaginary men, it's both female and male hetshippers who are
triggered by gay ships.
No. 175523
>>175297searched up 'england x japan' on mrm and i found it
https://myreadingmanga.info/hetalia-dj-realm-inexperience/the artists pixiv id is 225387 but they scrubbed all of their hetalia stuff off their account
No. 175553
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>>175530It's because you being able to choose your MC's gender draws in the otome crowd who play as the female one and imagine themselves to be dating all the male characters in the game either as the MC or some other female character. The male MC on the other hand is too young and twinky to be shipped to any of the female characters so male hetshippers insert into the other male characters.
>>175547>>175551I had to go check this out and lost my sides at this post, based anon
No. 175558
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>>175547>Being surprised TWST has a male MCIt literally takes place at an all boys school and the manga confirmed quite a while ago it was a male MC.
No. 175567
>>175563It's true though. Don't invent things, it looks bad.
>>175564Now this is true art.
No. 175862
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>got invested in the side character again
huaa
from madk
No. 175864
>>175547>>175551kek I was just scrolling down /m/ today and saw this in action, imagine being so yoombrained you're seriously going off about having the last laugh when the anime will have a female MC while the characters are drawn by ultimate fujo Yana Toboso and the manga has a male protagonist. I don't even give a shit about twst or if it's fujo or otome but goddamn lmao
>>175096Late to this but a based analysis, I loved the angle of making the story about pro athletes instead of high school level rookies and how all the main characters were in their late 20s and settled in. And agreed completely about the drunken banquet being one of the best romcom twists ever, it wrapped the story up in such a nice little package. One of my favourite things were the small little details they hid in such as the rings, in Japanese ice skating culture skaters wear rings as sort of good luck charms/motivators but the store receipt shown for a split second when Yuuri buys them lists them as "wedding rings" and they wear them on their right hand ring fingers instead, something gay couples are known to do. You have to be discreet about this shit in order not to have your show dumped into the BL bin and shunned by everyone in the business.
No. 175910
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sorry if this is a bit ot but one of you posted this in another thread (sorry, can't remember where) and I though it was funny and would make a good potential pic for the next thread
On another note, I've never been to a con, is it comon for fujos to get together like that nowadays ? I amire their bravery to be so public about it
No. 175934
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>>175924he really is and i want justice for him
No. 175945
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>>175924I really like Fjord
No. 175955
>>175934He's canonically good with children and refuses to take mothers's souls because it would leave the children motherless. Also love his semi-ship with Shax.
>>175945I love him too. Honestly almost all of the characters in madk have something unique and likeable (I personally like K too, he's very sweet).
No. 176019
>>175975Shax asks about him the first time we see him and
they do interact more in volume 3 and it's very sad but cute. But also the author once drew a human AU with mainly J, Shax and Datenshou and they obviously ship them together but there's like a bit of a triangle going on.
No. 176028
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>>176019Dropped pic, anyway it's a date
No. 176177
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Anyone else into doing 3x3s for BL ships?
R8 if you’d like.
No. 176331
>>176288>nice taste>danganronpa>>176177the robots
are hot tho 10/10
No. 176486
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>>176177Fuck it, I'll do one too.
There's a lot of western shit in mine, sorry. I read a lot of actual BL, but I don't consider the pairings in those to be "ships" because most of those are too obscure to have fandoms. Ships in my mind are pairings from non-BL media that have a lot of fanart and fanfic.
>>176331You recognized the Danganropa characters though kek. Interesting how most of the people judging others for being in a certain fandom are former fans themselves.
No. 176497
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>>176486>DavekatFuuuuck I'm so sad the TRAs took over the Homestuck fandom. This is one of my first real OTPs.
No. 176506
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>>176497Same, same. I loathe everything after the credits. I especially hate what they did to Dirk, undoing all the nice character development he had just so they could shoehorn him into the role of both Hussie AND Lord English. These days I'm mostly just nostalgic for the main comic itself and I try to avoid anything to do with recent content like the games and the "post-canon" crap.
Back in the day, Davekat and Dirkjake were my favorites (basic I know, but the popular ships often had the best fan content.) Not to be that guy, but I actually shipped Davekat long before there was any possibility of it being canon. Before act six, most people shipped it black (myself included) though there were definitely a subset of people who liked the idea of it going from black to red. Honestly, the people squawking about how it was "fanservice" and "came out of nowhere" really didn't seem to be paying attention. They establish pretty early on that Karkat has a hard time with troll relationships because he's monogamous like a human, setting up the idea that he'd end up with one. There were hints at Dave not being straight pretty much from the word go. So you take a bisexual kid discovering his sexuality and a troll that experiences human love and isolate them together for three years, what the hell do you think is going to happen? Even in the timeline where they fought over Terezi, they end up being pretty darn close at the end of the meteor trip.
Sorry about the Homestuck sperg. It's just hard to find other fans these days who aren't 12 year olds or TRAs.
No. 176577
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>>176177Oooh cute ships!
>>176486Ryou/akira and leo/kurapica is 10/10
No. 176578
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>>176497>>176506Unfortunately, my favorite Homestuck ship involves two extremely minor characters. On one hand I am so starved for alpha troll stuff but on the other I'm kind of glad Homestuck hasn't continued to make things with the alpha trolls because I don't think I could handle the disappointment.
No. 176582
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>>176177Very cute ships, anon. Here's my own.
>Hetalia in 2022Yeah yeah I know kek, I'm ashamed of my own taste sometimes
No. 176591
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pls no bully, I know I'm rarted for this
No. 176595
>>176582>Ike/Soren>Ryo/Akira>Kotetsu/Barnaby>Dimitri/DedueBased
>>176577Fuck I forgot about Patalliro, I should've put Jack and Maraich on mine.
No. 176617
>>176609Clearly troons want to self-insert and shoujofags who got into tgcf secretly wished hualian was another generic het couple. Xie lian is not even remotely effeminate in the novel, he is described as being handsome in a prince-like way and is obsessed with weapons and martial arts. But because he's the official bottom they ruined his character. Between the manhua and anime, I genuinely feel like the anime depicted him better
Starember has pretty art but everyone looks like they got heavy plastic surgery, gangnam unnie style
No. 176619
>>176582Nah man hetalia is great where else can i watch a series with nonthreatening cute boys doing cute shit, is the only moe show we have
>>176580They're Keith and shiroe from towards the terra
No. 176697
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>>176670hetalia was by far the gayest though. no one in this series is straight
No. 177204
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Has anyone played pride and submission yet? it's a trashy game about a getting subdued by a gray elf guy. what do you think of it? the Engrish is pretty funny at times
No. 177735
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Homemade meme
No. 177749
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>>177745>using mid 00's yaoi icons>Saying that like it's a bad thingI will fully accept that my memes are cringe, but how dare you insult Laughter Land and Lamento CGs you fucker.
No. 177751
>>177749Who's insulting anything? Laughter Land and Lamento are based but scrotes who try to bait fujos here always base their knowledge of BL on mid-00s outdated properties they get by typing "yaoi images" on google image search and try to play its dark themes as a mastermind gotcha to put fujos in their place, i.e.
>"Well I happen to know that yaoi is based on rape porn so what business do you have insulting male coomers, hmmmm??"And the "we sure hate trannies here, right fellow vagina having girls?" thing is something that happens all the time just so that they can bait any thread into infighting and/or to try the waters on how far they can take it and push actual homophobia. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don't know any better but you have to understand the light that you're put into here. I really don't want the "lesbian fujos are all just pornsick straight girls who need to be cured by dick and I hate IRL gay people but I love reading BL porn doujins" spergs to hear the dog whistle.
No. 177761
>>177754Check out the homophobic Nigel tender upthread to see what's being referred to here.
>>174545 and /ot/'s fujo cringe thread that somehow screenshots any controversial post in less than a minute to cry about fujoomers being nasty bitches again.
No. 177774
>>177772Stop being so hung up on this "how would they know Laughter Land and Lamento" point, see
> properties they get by typing "yaoi images" on google image searchGeneric mid 00's yaoi game CGs are just something on par with Gravitation artwork that people think of when they need to slap a generic image on something.
No. 177776
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>>177774By that logic the OP's pic is a scrote because it's always one of the first results when you google 'fujoshi'
By the way, even when you type in 'yaoi images visual novel' neither VN pops up.
No. 177949
>>177730its honestly because although there are more companies publishing BL, it's no way to make a living. its a sad compromise, they get to draw, but they have to give up BL.
Don't be completely sad though, professionals tend to make twitters for fandom related stuff without announcing it. Like koge donbo does shoujo shit but she has a hardcore dedue/dimitri stan account where she draws lewds of them.
No. 178034
>>177956@krt1104
You’ve probably seen her stuff somewhere, she’s an OG in the anime industry(digi chara, pitaten, kamichama Karin etc)
But yeah reiterating my point, your fav JP artist is probably still a hardcore BL fan, you just have to randomly come across their hidden fan accounts on Twitter
No. 178065
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How is this pairing so slept on by fujos?
No. 178074
>>165351Just a suggestion honestly. Taking your hobbies too seriously makes other people take you too seriously. It's a vicious cycle. It ruins your work, your interactions , your expectations, it all becomes so brittle and fragile and it's not even neccessary. So why??
No in all seriousness. I wish fujos, yumejos, shippers, whoever the hell, ALL of them would stop taking themselves and this shit so seriously. It's the only reason fujos for example, have a hard time. The whole community look like easy targets.
(shitposting) No. 178080
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>>178077Please tell me more. As I said, I remember one of her vague comment at the beginning of the manga, probably in response to fans after she introduced Ayame and made him and Shigure flirt as a joke every two pages, but I didn't know she addressed it later as well.
No. 178082
>>178077Holy shit I remember when Akito was revealed as a woman and it was so weird, but I had no idea it was because she was
triggered by fujos. Are there any details to this?
>>178078ma'am you were already told that nobody cares
No. 178094
>>178088It's been such a long time. Looking at the dates of the manga, the reveal was done back in 2007. Any website that I recall is now defunct or buried in Gaiaonline kek. But I'll try to remember
>>178093I'd appreciate that.
No. 178099
>>178094Ok I found it. It's in the first guidebook, I will translate it from French to English (the book is numbered 24, since the actual manga is 23 volumes long). It's in the very first interview, where fans ask her how she came up with the series and the characters in general:
>Question number 13: Did you already decide from the beginning that Akito will be a woman? (question from Eriko)>Answer: Yes. I always liked androgynous looking characters, they make me swoon (laugh)
>Question 15: Ever since the surprising revelation about Akito's sex, the story became more "adult/mature". Was this change always planned since the beginning of the series?>Answer: Yes, indeed. It's the story's mature side by itself that interests me, but its outcome. I have a brain fart, not sure how to translate that shit properly. The message I try to convey in my manga is that you always reap the fruits of your labor, even if you do it in a shameful way as in, as if you're kind of an asshole. That's why Fruits Basket and my other series lead to a moment with a specific goal.So yeah, she says she always planned Akito as a crossdressing woman, and while she could be lying, I have no idea how I could know for sure. I'll look for her anti-fujo meltdown though.
No. 178115
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Anyways anons, guts and griffith canon. Berserk best manga.
No. 178117
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>>178116such innocent and harmless nudity. who just doesn't want to see a child's genitals in full view? don't get me started on the horse rape. is that also nonsexual nudity? 5head
No. 178125
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>>178116nta, but do you think that the shitting scenes in Made In Abyss are also non sexual? get real anon
naked little kids don't have non-sexual intent behind them when they are drawn by dirty old men.
anyway, sorry for derail. here is a random BL i read today, it's called kimi to no dogfight. it's like a typical BL you find everywhere, but i enjoyed it so i wanted to share it in case someone is interested in it
No. 178126
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since i am here in the yaoi thread here i am posting ship art of my favorite yaoi ship. they fuck hard
>>178122>um ackschually it's interesting that-kekw it's not like i had to download the tor browser and fight my way through the dark web wiki to get access to berserk manga panels. might blow your mind away, i know, but there is this thing called google and it immediately shows up when you search for it
>>178125at first glance it's so obvious who's the uke and who's the seme
No. 178129
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Anyone here a fan of Chreon?
No. 178132
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>>178131BASED ANON I was so obsessed with with chris/piers I still have my folder kek
No. 178133
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>>178129krauser x leon is good too! the homoerotic knife fight leon has with him in resident evil 4 is forever godly + there are a lot of good doujins with these two as well
https://myreadingmanga.info/fuego-katou-teppei-hold-my-hand-eng/https://myreadingmanga.info/fuego-katou-teppei-plus-pink-resident-evil-dj-eng/some good ones
No. 178135
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>>178132feel free to post more
nonny!
No. 178141
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>>178131I like Chris x Piers the best too! I just posted Chreon because I was under the impression it was more popular.
No. 178143
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>>178135Sure anon! I'll post my favorites kek chris-stan piers is always my favorite
No. 178160
>>178159sorry another anon having the same point as me made you seethe
nonnie, but there are in fact multiple people who use lolcow. and how is it being willfully obtuse when i was saying a completely different page that i had seen was more innocent than a page i had never seen before? bringing up a drawing to make a point and then using something different as a 'gotcha' when an anon disagrees is retarded.
No. 178161
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Why does every fucking thread have to always devolve into the shota argument jesus christ. It’s autistic to come into a thread totally unprompted to shit on a series you don’t like because an anon asked a question and it’s also retarded to keep replying to this anons obvious bait. Just move on and ignore the retardation.
>>178146Thank you so much for sharing these
nonnie I thoroughly enjoyed them.
No. 178163
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>>178161i'm sorry
nonnie please forgive me i'll drop it now <3
No. 178170
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>>178141Posting a few of my favorites from my bookmarks.
No. 178177
>>178061karasuma piyohiko has talked about going on dates with women and liked terfy posts about how the lgbt community revolves around men (gay men and transwomen) on her fandom account lel
the author of my lesbian experience with loneliness is (was?) a fujo but idk if she ever published anything
No. 178190
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>>178065I don’t think it’s necessarily slept on as much as it’s just basically nonexistent in the western berserk fandom due to a big portion of the readers being moids. I also feel like in today’s culture it just wouldn’t be accepted by the woke crowd because waaah
abusive Griffith evil.
No. 178201
>>178117There are mangaka who have been caught with actual cp and charged with abusing children, but you want to nitpick over a dead man’s drawing.
Genuinely kill yourself you are sjw cancer and just as bad as scrotes
No. 178207
>>178117man I find it so hard to care after being desensitized by all the twitterfags crying wolf over muh fictional CP, I just can't bring myself to give a shit about cartoons being naked even if it's weird stuff this isn't even like a sexy toddler in a bikini spreading her legs like 90% of moid content is
>>178164women don't rape IRL kids anon, your "if the genders were switched" argument doesn't work
No. 178208
>>178177>Karasuma Piyohiko is a based and pinkpilled lesbian terf queenHoly shit you just made my day
nonny, I have a new favourite BL artist now
No. 178210
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Ever since I beat the Dai Gyakuten Saiban compilation I can't stop thinking about
Sherlock and Mikotoba, I was about to delete my twitter account but I decided to start following artists who like this pairing. I remember that not only Kumiko Suekane made Edgeworth and Phoenix total fujobait, and she made the devs read BL manga after the very first Ace Attorney game sold well, but Shu Takumi decided to put as much fanservice as possible in AA4 despite Suekane telling him afterward that it was excessive. For the ones who don't mind spoilers
do you think Sherlock and Mikotoba's relationship is meant to just be 100% platonic or do you think Takumi wanted to add a little subtext on purpose?>>178193iirc Shigure and Akito's relationship is revealed right after that. But we see Akito and Kureno making out just a few pages before the revelation.
No. 178268
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>>178177I found this comment about
Asada Nemui on Amazon JP and now I’m dying to know what her side account is
No. 178330
>>178207Twittertards are so weird. They'll throw a fit over stuff like underage anime girls being aged up for erotic art and you'll see zoomers trying to cancel each other for DMing a 17 year-old when they were 18, but are perfectly content to excuse actual child molestation done by troons. Weird place.
>>178268I wonder what her "terrible tansphobic remarks" are.
No. 178340
>>178268I wonder if this is a western troon. I have no idea what are the "transphobic remarks" but wouldn't be surprised if it was shit like "she called menstruators women" or something along those lines. Tried looking into it but couldn't find anything. Agree with
>>178271 though, based if true.
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>>178340I’m pretty sure that the review was for Call but it looks like Amazon deleted it. Another reviewer left a comment about it, saying that it’s rude to expose the author’s thoughts when their manga don’t have any transphobic content.
No. 178359
>>178188AYART, THANK YOU, also
>>178191??? bitch
No. 178446
>>178411Look anon I'm sorry someone criticizing your fav manga has you so upset but you really sound hilariously retarded throwing out nonsense whataboutisms. People not liking sexualized rape scenes doesn't make them retarded and it certainly doesn't mean they like it in other media either, like you imply.
>>178441lol cope
No. 178461
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>>178330Speaking of Twitterfags and troons, looking for slashfic in a fandom with a lot of Aidens fucking sucks. No matter how many Ao3 tags related to trannies I put in the "exclude" category, I still have to sift through a bunch of tranny wank fantasies about top scars and PIV. I wish they'd just cut the crap and write a fic where they ship themselves with one of the characters, since it's obvious Aidens are self-inserting as the character they "headcanon" as trans.
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>>178201THIS
These idiots only mess with people who can't defend themselves (in this case a dead man) that the worst thing he did was draw a rape scene in a DARK FANTASY manga, i want to see those twitterfag bastards try to cancel successfully the author of samurai X who got caught with real CP
(pic related with the best ship on bleach,to return to the topic )
No. 178574
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>>178569Defend that Bleach ship please, because clearly the best Bleach ship is Gin x Izuru
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>>178461Being a semi-popular fujo artist and trying to avoid these tards presence is purgatorial as well. They actually try to entrap you into taking their titmangle commissions and randomly nonconsensually erp about it in my comments/DMs. I can't even state that I don't draw trannyshit so I just have to vaguely be "Oh I don't want to do this," "Why? You can have my fakeboi be penetrated by another guy what's wrong lol?" "my fridge isn't running gtg" "Ok when you come back we can discuss his t-dicks size :3," and the cycle restarts forever until I shoot myself I guess.
No. 178590
>>178461>>178571>Probably something like 20% of dirty fanfics about Felix involve him being a TIF getting raped and impregnated by Sylvain or Dimitri, it's insane.Holy fuck kek. I would accept omegaverse and magic mpreg or some ridiculous fantasy shit even if it is cringe over making characters into actual troons. It sounds borderline homophobic when you want to make it straight PIV sex even though I know they want to self-insert and create more ~representation~ and whatever. But seeing how so many fujos, me included, are lesbians and feel uncomfortable with the setting including a male dick in a female vagina it should be without saying that even by their woke-aligned logic they should tag appropriately. Some of them apparently refuse to do so because "trans men are real men and should be included under m/m" and fuck lesbians anyway I guess.
>>178587She would be branded a MLM fetishist and a transphobe, of course.
No. 178593
>>178583I'm pretty sure they're just too autistic and occupied with their trans headcanons to realize how uncomfortable it is for their readers, I doubt most Aiden kinnies are as malicious and narcissistic as a lot of AGP transbians who send rape threats to people if they don't comply to their insane demands.
>>178591>Nintendo brand>Lots of different characters you can romance>Can be experienced through Youtube let's plays instead of playing it yourselfThat's all you need.
No. 178598
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>>178461I understand your pain anon, this kind of thing made me put a great RIP to the fandom of Hannibal, Overwatch and soon The Witcher. It is very tiring to try to avoid this content and you simply do not enjoy anything (and I will not talk about the fandoms that I see little but it still has that which makes me not even want to try it)
No. 178599
>>178591I'm a FE oldfag, most of the Aidens came into the fandom after Awakening blew up. It's probably mostly just because of the timing since 2013 was when troonacy really started to take off, but the marriage+children mechanic combined with the very popular Chrom/M!Robin pairing probably "cracked a few eggs", to use their vernacular.
For those who don't know/don't play the game: minus their support conversations, the main male protagonist's relationship with the male PC in-story is identical to his relationship with the female PC, who he can marry and have children with
No. 178605
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>>178574just beautiful in everything haha
No. 178606
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>>178583they seem to lean to the retarded side, honestly. don't know why they target me in particular
>>178594I don't really want to get ostracized/never get employment again I am surrounded by them in artland, here's all the dodges I could come up with and my best advice to any other fujo is to go "ZAMM I GOTTA GO PICK UP A PACKAGE RN BRUH" and never speak to them again
No. 178626
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>>178599Based FE oldfag, I'm one too and I thought we didn't exist anymore kek. I hope in future games they tone down the self-insert, 3h was going in a better direction, even if Byleth was retarded at least I didn't have to suffer through a sea of screenshots of people's self insert Corrin avatarxRyoma images.
I wish I could give BL fic recs, but I'm unfortunately a BE fag (love Dimidue and some rarepairs in the blue lions though). Instead of reading about them transing Felix I get to read about them doing it to Ferdinand though, fucking hate that. I'm really close to just going back to old ass fandoms like FE4 or FE7 kek.
No. 178631
>>178626Nice to see another one of us on lolcow! God I hate the self insert MCs so much, but given how popular they I doubt they're going away any time soon. I actually disliked Byleth more than the other two; at least Robin and Corrin had canon personalities and most people would use their default designs in fanart, but Byleth is just a blank-faced ball of nothing that the world revolves around to make the player feel special. 3H would've been so much better without her.
Unfortunately, Heroes is giving exposure to the older games and they've started to infect those fandoms as well. I've seen a recent uptick in Ike x FtM Soren that doesn't appear to be slowing down anytime soon. And I haven't seen anyone trying to make Hector or Eliwood fakebois yet(thank god) have seen a startling amount of MtF Lyn X Florina. Can't have shit kek
No. 178632
>>178606There are other options. You can ghost people who bring up tranny shit in your DMs or comments section. You can also alienate them from your work by drawing fanart of ships SJWs consider "
problematic" (i.e., big age gaps, hateships.) Unfortunately being branded as being a "
problematic" shipper is less damaging to your reputation that objecting to the tranny craze. Aidens also generally aren't fond of bears and bara– they typically prefer androgynous bishonen. Drawing more of that might potentially steer them away.
Never, ever, agree to do a commission before you know what the person wants. That's just common sense. Don't even respond to DMs from people with tranny shit in their Twitter/Tumblr bios.
No. 178636
Speaking of the troonification of BL, have you noticed it's started to creep into japanese fandoms too? I see so much cuntboy art on Pixiv while trying to browse BL, often thrown together with normal dickboy art. Other troonish weirdness like huge blatantly female tits on males is becoming unavoidable as well.
It doesn't bother me as much in japanese art because at least it's less ugly and less likely to be obvious aiden self-insert in a cringe way. There are never any clitdicks or breast scars so it's more clearly fantasy like futa.
>>178635This is true, if anything old school bishonens are more safe from this type of fan.
No. 178638
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>>178626>I hope in future games they tone down the self-insert>3h was going in a better directionI refuse to believe you put these two contradictory concepts in the same sentence. I simply refuse to. Byleth is an abomination, and Edelgard being a mindless shitty, badly written waifu is the best proof of the self-insert thing going out of control. At least Robin and Corrin had their own personalities so if you don't want to self-insert in their games you can just see them as their own characters. I forgive you because you like Dimidue though.
>I get to read about them doing it to Ferdinand thoughIsn't the reason why he's a prime target just because he's too busy to cut his hair? That's somehow even more retarded than with Felix.
No. 178640
>>178636Sage for samefagging but Japanese artists always tag their "cuntboy" art on twitter so it's easy to avoid. I don't use any other platforms to look for art though. Japanese fujoshi truly don't give a fuck, at least in their case I'm sure they draw that because they like pussy and not because they want to look unproblematic.
That reminds me of how, just a few days ago, I saw an article about an American FTM getting pregnant and giving birth that was trending in Japan and some of the most liked replies to these tweets were Japanese fujoshi saying that it was cool because it was just like in their favorite omegaverse BL manga/fics. Imagine seeing this among western fakebois and fujoshi.
No. 178651
>>178634>>178638Self inserting for all the games (Awakening, Fates, 3h) is extremely annoying, I agree with you. I was much more able to ignore Byleth or write them out of the story entirely though, as opposed to Corrin or Robin. Not touching the Edelgard stuff, the endless reeing about her character is stupid. I don't pair any of the lords with Byleth and I ignore their weird simping moments.
Ferdinand is a very pretty guy in general, and has some lines in the game about grooming (trimming his eyebrows etc.) plus the hair thing. He's got some GNC moments so they use it to troon him out basically. I like his character and interactions a lot but I only ever see japanese fanwork from him portrayed well.
>>178631Oh fuck, I completely forgot about Heroes. You're so right though. I was just replaying PoR too, I hate that troonshit has infested everything.
No. 178652
>>178636>>178640I mainly use pixiv and yes, I can say that there was an increase in cuntboy fetish, and the worst thing is that they always tag it together with the yaoi / BL which is very annoying. being treated like a fetish doesn't take away from how tiring it is to watch.
>>178635They try to turn the bara into "not like other fujo gaydens" and then this shit of drawing bara like women, instead of big pecs they literally put breasts, and sometimes they put the character with a ridiculously feminine attitude and seeing scars on the chest is very disgusting. bara is ruining
No. 178704
>>178557Popularity isn't the best way to pick your manga. A lot of the most popular things end up sucking or being generic rape bl.
I would just follow bl publishers and check out anything that seemed nice.
No. 178708
>>178557Popularity is not the main deciding factor when it comes to BL for me, but there are the BL awards each year:
https://ebookjapan.yahoo.co.jp/content/bl/award/chillchill/2021/index.html (this is last year's)
Mostly I find new stuff by following an author, recommendations or from reading free samples. Chil Chil is a great resource if there's something particular your interested in.
No. 178713
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another day, another fanfic that springs surprise pussy and top surgery scars on me. being fujo is suffering.
No. 178721
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>>178719akira/akechi. it did have a few hundred kudos, i think? i just noped out so quickly kek.
>I feel like the more kudos a fanfic has the less likely it's going to have tranniesit's almost like most people hate tranny stuff in their BL, huh?
>>178720nope. it has happened a few times already, and it really bothers me. i'm here to read about dick on dick and then i have to read about some dude's pussy and clit and how he's totally a manly man.
No. 178762
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>>178751i read fanfic mostly as a means to compliment canon, not replace it so i hate AUs especially fantasy ones, ooc writing etc… canon divergence can be good if well plotted
song fics, chat fics, all the usual boring tropes (fake dating, only one bed bla bla), mpreg, tentacles, trannies, kidfics are on the shitlist too. theres more but thats all i can be arsed to think of
random kinoven page to keep this thread visually interesting
No. 178764
>>178751This is less common than ABOshit or outright troonfying one of the characters, but I hate it when they make the bottom have an intersex condition he didn't know about until he suddenly gets knocked up. I know it's all fantasy, but that's not how intersex conditions work! No intersex men have fully functioning female reproductive systems tucked behind their balls or something. If you must make your OTP have assbabies, at least stick to the tried and true "lol magic" route or something Honestly though, what's wrong with adoption? Wish more writers took that route if they want them to have a family.
I also really hate it when they make the bottom much smaller/weaker/smaller dicked(lol) than the top, especially when in-canon there isn't much physical difference between them.
No. 178767
>>178762Based anon, I can't fucking stand AUs or the fake dating/only one bed bullshit and they're the most popular themes at the moment. They're always lazy, predictable and boring no matter how masterfully they're written.
I honestly don't even mind ABOshit even though I hate it because I'd rather have that than any troonified gay made straight penis in vagina fic ever.
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>>178770they fucked (off screen but confirmed) and it was very
problematic and kinda rapey (based)
No. 178779
>>178767>>178762I hate any type of modern AUs because suddenly the characters all work at an american starbucks or whatever. Why would characters from an Asian or European setting become American all of a sudden? Even my immortal at least tried despite putting Hot Topic stores in Great Britain.
>>178769Ten years ago the shitty fics were in ff.net and the good ones were in ao3. I don't even think 14yo fakebois even know ff.net exists.
No. 178801
>>178721It never fucking fails for that ship to have the tranny shit. NEVER. The fanfic thread here had recommended an extension for AO3 and it blacklists tags. It fucking saved my life and experience in AO3. No more tranny or gender bullshit unless they don't tag it. But you can put the author's name to block their works with that extension
AO3rdr is the extension. Self fucking care at its finest
No. 178824
>>178751Honestly every fandom I've ever been in has this problem, but it's one of my pet peeves too. I glaze over fics now if they start doing this.
Otherwise I hate most smut (it's hard to find good and well written stuff), fake dating plots, OCxCanon Character, 'x character has his soulmate's name tattooed on his ankle but hasn't met him yet oOOooOOh'
>>178801Thanks for the extension rec, love it
No. 178867
>>178751I just want to read Apollo and Kris going at it but the new standards of morals and ethics makes it “ too
problematic” despite them both being grown ass adults
No. 178884
>>178867Same, all the older fics were all about Kristoph being horribly
abusive and Apollo being traumatized despite this not making any sense when they take place before the story of the game. This applies to Phoenix/Apollo as well.
Somehow people think Apollo's potential daddy issues isn't exactly what makes it spicy. They even try to manage to sanitize Klavier/Apollo because they also can't stand Klavier lightly teasing Apollo and having some funny banter whenever he says stupid in the game so Klavier is all over Apollo instead. Big spoiler for TGAA
I've even seen some people on twitter saying that the age gap between Sherlock and Mikotoba and the fact that they first met 16 years before the game started is problematic. I don't think fans are like this with the characters from the trilogy.
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>>178814that depends on what youre into. do you like mostly introspective monologue driven narratives? are you a fan of melancholic pretentious melodrama? is art style a prominent factor for your enjoyment of any given (heh) series? do you like sports manga? do you like gusaris haikyuu doujins?
if so, yes given is kino
if you expect sex or much fluff, no dont read given
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>>178926I saw this image in another thread and felt it's very relevant to fanfics and published works.
Fuck the "queers" and their terrible writing.
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>>178632Oh I do ignore them and draw the worst taste stuff possible which only seems to imply that i'm fine with new-half fetish and attracts even more aggressive requests to draw it. Also I only follow 27 people and 100% of them have turned out to be troons and I've muted every single involved person but it's like a super autistic hydra. Living in this comedy sketch is more stressful than anything else
>>178926I love every fujofarmer here too anon, happy late yaoimas to everyone
No. 179013
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I dunno if I would consider myself a fujoshi since I rarely care about romance in general, but I quickly became attached to this incest pairing recently. I must see them fuck.
No. 179015
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Are you watching it?
No. 179018
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>>178926I'm sick of younger fujoshi and fakebois as well, I feel like this thread is the only place where I can talk about BL, and lolcow.farm as a whole is the only place where I can talk about entertainment as a whole freely. The new fujoshi imageboard is a bit slow unfortunately but its existence is a pretty good sign imo. I remember participating a lot in fandoms years ago and now all I do is just follow a few Asian and European artists on twitter who like the specific video games I like and I never post anything to avoid weirdos. I love you all so much.
No. 179022
>>178926I'm with you anon. I love me all the
problematic content. If it makes me a "fetishist" or whatever so be it
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>>179013Based as fuck, anon. They've got a lot of chemistry. I'm more of a Reiritsu liker myself though.
No. 179098
>>179096It's not that simple, sometimes depending on who you hang out with online or what you like you will end up seeing these people whether you like it or not. And these crazy assholes did change fandoms as a whole for the worse. Normies in general using the internet on a daily basis made it infinitely worse regardless of fandoms as well. For example a decade ago I used to be on livejournal, pixiv and a little bit on tumblr to look for fics and art of the series, manga and video games I liked, or even just to talk about it with likeminded people and now livejournal is a zombie, pixiv is kind of dying, and tumblr… let's not even talk about tumblr, there's too much to say. Now if I want to look for pretty art of some of the specific video game characters I like it's either on twitter or mayyybe on instagram if it's not too niche. I using twitter just for that and I keep blocking anyone who might expose me to al this queerios discourse bullshit so I'm only following non Americans and I follow like 50 people at the very most. Yet I still sometimes see tweets about how terfs are anti-fujoshi or whatever nonsense.
tldr; depending on fandoms and pairings you will see retarded normies or "achillean MLM uwu" opinions on your TL even if you block people and mute specific keywords, unless you stop using the internet completely
unless you're surrounded by nerds irl like I am, then there's no escape, rip.
No. 179113
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Didn’t realize Kabukicho Bad Trip had a second volume. Also I just finished reading the story about the piano boys- cute and I’m happy it was a happy ending
No. 179115
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>>179113It's so good, I love the artstyle and story and the characters appeal to all my tastes. But I felt like after the first chapters it kind of fell off. The build-up is always really good but then the explicit scenes just end up fizzling out somehow. I can't put my finger on it, it just feels too mature and serious in my opinion. Like the chapter where they went on a date together and Tooru wore the choker and ropes and then they went to a hotel and it was just over in an anticlimactic way. It's cute that the couple cares about each other so much, but the way they keep talking around stuff and how weird they are about bdsm is so strange and almost cringeworthy. Still really good though, I wish there was more like it
No. 179126
>>179096None of my friends are into this bullshit but it requires a very thoroughly curated friend group full of people you can trust not to leak DM messages of you saying "
problematic" things in private and it also limits you from ever straying to the open fandom waters. You can't control who sees your content for example, so the moment you post your fanart/fanfics into the social media to share it around you're in inherent danger of some underage MLM themlet calling you a pedo for shipping Boku no Hero Academia characters or demanding you to add vaginas on men or else you're a fetishist. If you piss off the wrong person they will obsessively go through your entire internet history to find that one dodgy thing you said in 2010 and turn it against you. Nobody is safe from this shit unless you go fully offline which is pretty much out of the question in this day and age.
>>179116Here are your sources
nonny:
https://crawfordpro.wordpress.com/2020/05/03/article-the-castle-of-doom-and-the-lolicon-boom/https://www.kaorinusantara.or.id/english/2199/women-and-yaoi-in-japanese-dojinshi-culture No. 179222
>>179098>Yet I still sometimes see tweets about how terfs are anti-fujoshi or whatever nonsense.It's bizarre to see the "antiship" side of the discourse claiming it's the terfs who are "heterosexual cis women fetishizing gay people" and the other side claiming it's these antiships who are terfs because "a lot of fujos are trans men and BL helped them realize that". "
Terf" doesn't even mean anything anymore, it's a catch-all term for someone they project their fictional conservative Karen stereotype into.
>>179156I don't think any of us can understand it as we don't represent the privileged gender that has oppressed the other one for hundreds of years and only in the past decades has been held marginally accountable for it. Men live in a different world from us, they're used to getting their way, never having to tolerate things they don't like and above all having women worship them, not a bunch of fictional boys real life scrotes find unappealing. It's just a level of entitlement completely foreign to women who are raised to be self-sacrificing. The more women that realize this and stop giving a shit about male feelings the better.
No. 179257
>>179222> It's bizarre to see the "antiship" side of the discourse claiming it's the terfs who are "heterosexual cis women fetishizing gay people" and the other side claiming it's these antiships who are terfs because "a lot of fujos are trans men and BL helped them realize that".Amen to this, when I joined a seemingly well-known proshipper group and asked for information about anti-shippers and how to counter with their harassment. What I got were graphs and really graphic details of "proofs that antis drove a minor to suicide" and "antis & puritans are the product of radfem grooming them from tumblr". I ended up getting nowhere with those kinds of conversation and speculation. I have no doubt that these proshipper had thought that I was some anti psypop for asking these information and got really defensive when they started harassing a couple of youtubers that think Hannibal's writer was cringe.
I don't know, man, I just want to gush about anime boys being affectionate towards each other without being immediately assigned to a certain Extreme political ideology that I have zero knowledge about. I can't believe we cant have that kind of minimum of enjoyment in this day and age.
No. 179297
>>179257Both sides blame terfs for antis/proshippers, and both sides have shitty arguments for it. It's so weird. I almost want to put that I'm a
terf on my bio but I don't want to be banned.
No. 179303
>>179301sage bc offtopic but yeah they really do, cant remember how often ive seen some random tirade about how being a cryptoswerf by disliking lolicon leads to the murder of 3 gorillion transwimmin or whatever from that zombiejerusalem person cross my timeline and then you look these people up and it turns out theyre in their thirties unemployed and get into beef with 13 year old tiktok zoomers for kohi donations kek
do we have a dedicated thread for the anti vs proshipper wars? bc theres a lot of milk there
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>>179303>>179304This has been brought up around art thread #28, and some anons already blogging their experience in sjw-artist thread in /cow/
>>>/snow/1387114Those are what I managed to find some good read of the topic. I don't recommend making a topic post about it, I'm 100% convinced that a lot of us Really want to move on from this conversation, however I think it's fine to bring it up here and then for nonnas to vent their thoughts.
As for anons replying to the topic, these have been insightful to me since I've always been in a more (supposed) woke side of the conversation and often so many times got shut out for "not believing the
victims" when they didn't give me any concrete (or even, common sense) information to understand.
In a sense of a queer creator myself, and pretty much just sick of having to tip toe any kind of things, then somehow it's my fault for not keeping up with the latest topic, bitch I work full-time and I have bills to pay.
Another frustrating thing is those spaces used to be another facet for me to expression myself, in an unconventional way in which I wouldn't allow to show in public. I mean, who would bring up some genshin incest ship in a middle of family table.
So I understand where proship coming from and their bitching essay does sound
valid to me in some degree, but the discourse has now evolved to "thou art villain!" and a lot if cow-like behavior when it's dealing with - literally teenagers online.
I think fujo spectrum of fandom spaces have always had their own problems and typical cows that ruined the fun for everyone, only lately I feel like these spaces are getting worse and worse for the old guards had left, and which remains are those are so Insanely obsessed with one ship to the point it means life and death to them.
pic unrelated but nonnas talk about hetalia so heres my fav
No. 179390
>>179356literally all the characters were poorly written and i despise lance in particular. however i don't understand how you could like any het vld ships nona
i don't know why they pulled that lotura stuff in the middle of the series only to reveal that lotor is still evil and then proceed to make lance allura's rebound. and then allura dies. and i'm not gonna start with that weird implied keith/acxa shit that made absolutely no sense. and kallura was just… weird
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I love Sleeping Dead, Mamiya’s spergy antics make me crack up every time I read it. He’s great lolcow material
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made to suffer
No. 179414
>>179301This. Both sides are retarded.
>pro shippersEasily offended people who can’t accept that kids think they’re weird, unlike board type fujos (who don’t give a fuck as long as you stay in your own lane) just the thought of some kid on tumblr boolying them drives them to tears
Also tends to make cringy merch.
>anti shippersKids in places they usually shouldn’t be (ie: danganronpa) and then proceed to expect everyone to do exactly what they want them to due to being raised on a dose of tumblr/twitter groomers who tell them that they’re perfect and could do no wrong. Usually some form of ftm.
Both sides for some reason accuse the other of being terfs, even though the only place you really see
terf fujos is on board sites.
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>>179415Also I got reminded of my favorite meme.
No. 179431
>>179301The thing is that as discussed above, the proships are doing important work in telling kids not to harass and dox people over ship wars and that not all fiction reflects your real life tastes because it's a sandboxed universe where you're in charge. I mean at the end of the day I can't really blame them because there's a real threat of some 16-year old constructing an autistic google doc with out of context screenshots laying down claims of you being a pedo because they raked through your twitter likes and found you liking an underage ship fanart. And because people on social media love drama they will spread that shit like wildfire with no factchecking like, as brought up by
>>179372 , the people who think Kaeluc is a pedo incest ship despite the two being ex-childhood friends both clearly in their late 20s or so with no blood relations whatsoever.
However I agree with
>>179360 , some of them definitely take it too far and give too big of a platform for some teenager to yell about how every female BL artist over 25 drawing ship art should be giving birth to kids and paying taxes instead. To a degree they're right, I assume that in order to have a twitter slapfight with a literal kid you have to be taking this thing too seriously. Just tell them to shut the fuck up or better yet ignore and block them completely, they're children and should have no business in following you anyway. This situation got so badly out of hand because people started giving these stupid teenagers their time of the day instead of gatekeeping them like one should. Oh and fuck the women who defend lolicon just because they feel obligated to, a woman liking teenage male characters is absolutely not comparable to a moid fapping to a female child.
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>>179441I've also noticed that when the topic comes up, self-proclaimed proshippers will quickly say that fiction is not reality so lolicon and shotacon fanarts doesn't mean you should harass artists, but they usually don't bring that up themselves. From my experience the ones who do bring up legit degenerate things by themselves by starting a debate or posting their own content tend to legit be the disgusting type of people that make me understand why antis are so wary of adults online. But the antis take it out on the normal shippers for some reason. Sage because it's off-topic.
By the way, I stopped giving a fuck months ago and I'm buying more and more officially translated BL manga in my usual bookshop and I bought so much shit I got a 10€ coupon for the manga I bought today.
No. 179487
>>179486It’s the most active place to discuss BL. When I share chapters I know there are other anons downloading them. The current thread even has some literature discussion, I don’t read books much but I find it interesting
>>179484I’ll have to start posting more
No. 179496
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>>179360Nona? Rusame is my fav too fuck yes. The other ships are okay, something about this ship in particular for me.
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>>179522I had to look up to see what youre talking about and there was indeed a protest from South Korea over this 4koma lmao fuck
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-01-13/korean-protests-call-for-hetalia-anime-cancellation No. 179527
>>179524Anon, we’re talking about the discussion thread not the ones with art. I just go straight to it by using 4chan.org/y/discussion
I don’t even browse any of the other threads
No. 179541
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>>179511Oh, usually I find rusame content on everywhere but tumblr. Picrel is by @XD_AzNaD on twitter. What kind of recs do you like? Sounds like only the hatesex part bc I love all asepcts of this ship. There's a few names for this ship in japanese and chinese too, so when I try to find fanart of them, I go through several names lol on weibo/lofter too. There are some really good fics in chinese.
No. 179550
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>>179541nona ily wtf, Thank you for rec this looks so cute!!
Here's the rusame artist I follow
Culinbear on twitter (though it's uke russia). I like this particular Living Death Youth they made an AMV of the ship they pinned in the profile. And it's true I only found this ship through chinese fans, I can't read chinese though, if you have jpn fics to share I'd love to see (I can only read in english and japanese). Kudos to you for doing so much legworks for this very strange & self-indulgence ship anon.
No. 179563
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So, what pairings used to be popular at the time you got into BL? Nowadays I don't see people giving a shit about pic related anymore. And I also used to see Sebaciel, Shizaya and Okumuracest everywhere. I still have a soft spot for all of those pairings because of nostalgia. Those were good times to be a fujo. Okumuracest still is strong in the story and in my heart.
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>>179563these mfs, I can still vaguely recall their ship names by numbers.
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>>179574definitely, I don't exactly remember who influenced me or converted me into a Hitman fan. I did remember going onto forums and got a major Obsessive period where I'd download every doujin available from the forums about a specific ship at the time. Thinking back, I just thought that Tsuna was cute, seeing him being romantically involved with any of the guy he interacted with was "xDDD nosebleed!!!" moment for me.
It was really irony on me at the time because I avidly avoided BL/danmei my female friends introduced to me for several years until this one braincell shounen series hit me sideways. Definitely had a "eeeew gays are gross" phase.
Ah, I miss the young, naive version of me.
picrel for extra brain damage
No. 179582
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>>179550Oh, ty nona, I'm just happy to see a fellow rusame…and on lolcow lmao bless you! My japanese is not good at all so I don't read any jp fics, the one that I can think of at the top of my head are usually the stockholm syndrome love type shit or angst. I love my fluffy rusame but those ones stick to me more…anyway, have a good day rusame anon!
No. 179583
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>>179582no THANK YOU for feeding me nona. Only around a decade ago I'd have that patience to run a VPN and getting onto weibo for quality arts. I remembered the team behind the webcomic19 days (and the popular yuri manga in which I don't remember the name), had one of their illustrators did
really hot ship fan arts of their own characters in the webcomic. It was truly a time. Nowadays I don't have that patience anymore, nor have anyone talk about BL as much since all my old online friends had moved onto other interests.
I'm not that into that deep lore of rusame other than the basics stuffs like Cold Wars and constant sexual (murder!) tension between the two. I actually
don't understand the fluff part of this ship ahaha, shamelessly signed up for the whump and
brutal sex only. I'm not picky about the uke seme dynamic either.
all this hetalia talk reminded me when I first discovered rei_17 fan arts on pixiv and at the time I had no ideal this picrel is actually a hetalia fan art lol. Probably a reference to the space race during cold war or something. Hit me up with hetalia lore because I'm an uneducated fujo that mindlessly consume for my fujocoomer brain only.
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>>179573damn, same, you've just unlocked a huge memory stash here anon. I wonder what's the deal with these numbers, they were just shorthands for names but it's not like characters had unusually long names in this manga compared to other ones, so how come I've never encountered this numbering thing anywhere else?
No. 179633
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I know 3DPD is founded upon in this thread(personally I hate 99% of 3D content as well) but Kill Your Darlings with Daniel Radcliffe and Dane DeHaan was my awakening
No. 179635
>>179633While I don't particularly care for the two actors in the video I would, however, like to know what goes through these actors minds when they stare into eachothers eyes in such a primal fashion.
Slightly less related but how would I go about searching for BL seiyuu interviews that talk about them voicing erotic scenes in detail? I really love bts stuff like that
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>>179647>>179634Weird thing to complain about with this film though, Radcliffe is supposed to be playing gay poet Allen Ginsberg who looked like this IRL
No. 179681
>>179672NTA but how do having breasts relate to this point at all? I'm pretty sure anon was talking about that awful (male) coomer trend of giving men grotesque tits with big nipples just because monkey brain likes boobies. I hate it too, that shit sounds like something scrotes are obsessed with.
>>179675fuck off then kek
No. 179682
>>179681NTA but I think what the anon means is that they're signing up BL for exclusively male on male relationship, no stereotyped m/f gender roles we already see enough in mainstream media.
>>179665girl don't let me start with fujo anons that are absolutely losing their shits if their ship has reversed roles. I ran onto one of those unhinged bitches before and lo and behold it's an self-insert aiden. Every-fucking-time.
No. 179683
>>179665I 100% agree with you anon it's really gross. I find mens chests being referred to as "boobs" really weird also, like for just normal non boobified pecs
>>179682Really don't understand this at all. I personally have no issues seeing reversals. Actually when I'm reading anything I find myself imagining what it would be like if the characters switched roles. I wish this was in bl more often. Seeing characters make a complete 180 can be really interesting and hot to see
No. 179685
>>179683ikr, one of my favorite thing when reading original BL is that you don't have any knowledge beforehand of which one is the top or bottom. Another fun part is when it is only vaguely hinted of their roles by the end, and amazon commenters would be like "wow! I wouldn't imagine x is a tachi, what a good twist".
people who are so obsessed on fixed roles are just so weird to me, I guess because I'm a himejo but there are more sexy things than penetrative sex.
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>>179573oh god i was obsessed with these two, i thing it was the first time i hoarded raws while i knew 0 japanese.
>>179665i think those genderbends are cute, or those where they make them yuri, but yeah i think as anon
>>179672 said, its just a what if good for one or two posts, i dont think i have ever seen a genderbend ship being more popular than the initial one
No. 179734
>>179682But how does giving men actual breasts relate to m/f gender roles when it's obviously just a fetish?
And if we're talking about literal genderbents i.e. making a male character into a straight out female than that shit is so fucking uncalled for, the reason I'm so into BL is because reading it I don't have to see female characters being sexualized or ruined by a moid fanbase. Agree with
>>179665 , people should go watch bargain bin isekai or shoujo garbage instead if they're into that. There's endless amounts of het material people into primarily m/f ships can consume, no need to convert a gay ship into a heterosexual one because people are obsessed with self-inserting or cooming to mommy milkers.
>>179721I'm a lesbian and I don't want to see tits in my BL, I have no idea how that "actually it's the lesbians who want to see straight ships" logic works.
No. 179735
>>179672mpreg and babies ruin the story for me, even an adoption storyline ruins the story for me
I don't get the appeal at all, cause it always brings up real world shit and ruins the fantasy for me
No. 179740
>>179734> But how does giving men actual breasts relate to m/f gender roles when it's obviously just a fetish? I think you either misread or just have a different understanding of what I and other anon were trying to say. None of us defend fat breast on men for the sake of turning the uke character into a literal woman. The reason I used 'gender roles' as a terminology is like, uhhh gender roles being assigned to women and men in society - being encouraged in media - the whole weird trend on popular japanese media with "get married and give birth!" propaganda? I don't dismiss the possibilities of fetishization, if the fetish itself serves a well-supported normalization in its culture (Japan), people it's easier to continue to produce them.
I assume you're either uninformed, or straight.
No. 179741
>>179739Literally the only people I've seen enjoy the big booba sexy genderbend versions have been straight/bihet girls who want to self insert or the himes of the autistic "it's okay if I act predatory towards women because I happen to be an extremely lesbian woman myself I swear" type.
>>179694NTA but what the hell is this cinema level projection shit? I've seen more aidens whine about how fixed roles are "
abusive and fetishizing" and that everyone should be made a switch because it's "healthy and realistic". I don't know what you're talking about but personally I like fixed roles because I have certain preferences for couple dynamics that just don't always work if the roles are reversed. In real life I think the strict top/bottom identities is borderline cringey but fiction exists for unrealistic things.
No. 179742
>>179740The topic in
>>179665 was literally about the coomer trope of putting breasts on male characters for the sake of feminizing them, at what point does all the political commentary about Japanese gender roles come in? I'm pretty sure it's you who doesn't understand what's being said here.
No. 179744
>>179741I don't think anyone has a problem with top or bottom categorization in this thread and I don't know where your getting wokies disliking top/bottom categorization cause I've seen them use "top/bottom energy" multiple times
The problem people have is male characters with pectorals that function more like breasts and even leak milk or the emphasis on men with impossibly huge asses that seems to be a trend among western groups
No. 179766
>>179741> wow weird projection i didn't have thatI was asking lesbian fujo about her reasons behind the fixed role preference, since mine was coming from negative experience with cow-fujo. I don't understand the need to reaction so strongly to this when everyone experienced different level of unhinged fandom behavior.
>>179742Anon said "hey, let's talk about trope in japanese BL fandom that you hate. What do you about the weird trend putting large breast on submissive character".
My comment about the trope isn't a political commentary… I don't know what kind of subset of people you hang out with, but discussion about gender roles are pretty normal among writers and it doesn't have to be in the context of "muh patriarchy". I was elaborating the term in assumption that you weren't familiar with- you know what. Never mind. If you reply to this with another "this has nothing to do with-" you have a crusty cunt.
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>>179583Nona!! Tbh I don't know about the history side a lot as well lmao but these two, or maybe that one douji i read as a kid made me think they are perfect for each other lol. I don't read 19days until someone puts it on my feed tbh, though I like the way the author writes her characters! Rei's hetalia arts were beautiful, though she wiped most of it off.
I'd like to sperg about heta and BL shit too if you don't mind either!! anyway, is there a friend finder thread on fujochan? I don't wanna leave it here even if they're throwaways
No. 179780
>>179779Same anon. I think the writers didn't really go all the way with it because the show got cancelled and so last half of season 4 and all of season 5 was rushed. When I was heavily into the fandom, I also remember the actors being heavily shipped despite Robin (penguin) having a boyfriend outside the show which I know they spoke about how it makes them all uncomfortable, so that could also be a reason.
Their whole relationship carried the fucking show, the rest of it was absolutely shit past season 2
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>>179780>Their whole relationship carried the fucking show, the rest of it was absolutely shit past season 2True the writing was awful, people mostly liked the show for the aesthetic and the villains
also I swear there was at least one writer who wanted to make the show about his OC lesbian BDSM dominatrixes via Barbra and Tabitha and literally no one in the fandom was fond of it, like there were so many sexualized lesbian relationships in the show but I don't remember a single gay pairing
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Sometimes I think about this absolute queen Kumiko Suekane designed the main characters of Ace Attorney and gave them their personalities and backstories, made the other devs of the first game read BL manga for "research", adviced Shu Takumi on how to make Phoenix and Edgeworth subtly gay for each other so that the Capcom managers won't censor them. And then once she left Capcom she just made a manga that reused Phoenix and Edgeworth's unused character designs, their personality traits and backstories from the games but also things that were just mentioned in interviews, and then she made not!Edgeworth fuck not!Phoenix in the ass once per chapter. I sometimes wonder if she's pissed that Narumitsu fans general make Phoenix the top and Edgeworth the bottom sometimes. Are there any other cases of one fujoshi overtaking a project and making it gay for her fellow fujoshi?
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>>179801The artist for the Genshin Impact manga is an open Kaeya x Diluc shipper fujo and you absolutely can see it in the work. I'm pretty sure the writing/design team has multiple of them seeing how almost all male characters are paired with another male to ship them with (Diluc and Kaeya, Xingqiu and Chongyun, Zhongli and Childe, Kazuha and his friend, Razor and Bennett etc) and how fujopandering Gorou and Venti are made but of course with China being China and gay representation being censored by law we will never know.
No. 179809
>>179806Most of the art I've seen shows Phoenix as the top, so I guess I haven't been looking hard enough. I don't have a preference but I thought about it because some anons mentioned that some Japanese fujoshi have set preferences and will sperg out if you show them art of their favorite pairings but with the "wrong roles"
>>179804I'm not touching Genshin Impact with a tn foot pole because I'm avoiding gacha games as much as possible, but I'm not surprised that a Chinese video game could potentially be censored for being too "gay" despite having just very subtle fanservice.
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I forget which female IntSys staff member(s?) this was attributed to or if she's an open fujo, but they put in a ton of hints that the manly-man main character of FE9/FE10, Ike, likes other dudes. The supplementary material says he doesn't care for women's affections but is wholly devoted to his angsty twink best friend, there are base conversations where the resident skirt-chaser is talking about girls with him in a castle garden and Ike tells him directly that he doesn't gaf, and of course the vendor lady who flirts with him so much he starts to hide from her. The gay was so obvious that the localization team had to add in a romantic subplot between him and the princess character from FE9, only to be left with egg on their face when they barely interacted in FE10 and got with other people. There's also the fact that his only paired endings(almost always romantically coded) are with two other guys.
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>>179801>>179814Does Anne Rice also count as a successful Fujo ?
Most of her Novels features m/m relationships and she literally made a yaoi vampire characters of herself (louis) and her husband (Lestat) and then shipped them together.
>According to Rice, Lestat was largely inspired by her husband, the poet and artist Stan Rice; both have blond hair and they share November 7 as a birth date. In a 2003 interview(a year after her husband's death) Rice noted that the character had also taken on some of her own attributes, stating, "Stan was Lestat; he was the inspiration. Perhaps it is best to say Lestat was Stan and me. He was Stan and what Stan taught me. Lestat was inspired by Stan, and then I became Lestatkinda romantic in a way
No. 179825
>>179815Yeah, there were more subtle dialogue changes in FE9 that tried to nohomo Ike's relationship with Soren(off the top of my head, the biggest one was changing Ike's line in one of their supports from "you're special to me" to "you're my good friend" or something to that effect) and made his feelings towards Elincia seem more affectionate/romantic when in the original version he's all business with her. There was also his relationship with the catgirl character, but even in the localization it's clear that she has a crush on him(by their A-support at least) and he only sees her as a strong training partner and is too oblivious to see that she likes him in a romantic way. The FE10 localization is even more bonkers in that it cuts out like 1/3 of the original script.
>>179819Yeah, FE isn't the best when it comes to same-sex relationships. Fates was the first game where the lord could actually get married to another guy/girl, and the two bi characters available for that are a creepy sadist and creepy goth stalker. Even 3H wasn't much better, but at lest two of the five f/f and one of the three m/m options weren't awful.
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>>179825>creepy goth stalker.See? That's exactly what I meant when I said the localization wanted to make the actual gay pairings seem less gay. Rhajat is only a creepy stalker in the localization
and technically in Awakening since she's obviously Tharja 2.0, while in Japanese her love confession for female!MC was very cute and romantic. Same shit for Zero/Niles being creepy to piss off everyone and becoming very nice and romatinc once he confesses and proposes to the MC in the Japanese game, while they changed it to make it more neutral, and they replaced his sweet, romantic lines after you marry him with stupid dick jokes. Fates as a whole has one of the worst localization I've seen from a game that wasn't released in the 90s and it's not even consistant in general because while they decided to make Niles' bisexuality into a joke because gay shit isn't family friendly, they didn't remove
the implication that he was a child prostitute and suffer from ptsd as a result. And just like Ike's games they removed a good part of the script and couldn't even release two of the DLCs because translating them after making all the localized characters ooc was just not possible.
>"you're special to me" to "you're my good friend"Fucking kek
No. 179835
>>179833Wow, I never realized the Fates localization was
that bad. I mostly just heard whining from moids about how Camilla's boobs didn't bounce enough in the petting minigame or how the little sisters were made less cloyingly childish. I don't understand the decision to make MCorrin/Niles and FCorrin/Rhajat less romantic- they're married, there's no plausible deniability here, why not just keep them as they were in the base game? How is Niles making dirty jokes at his husband less gay than just being sweet with him?
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>>179832Samefag, because "Lestat is muh husband!" She took offense to that apparently. As fujo as Anne Rice was, she was also yumejo as fuck.
>>179814I loved Soren x Ike from FE9/10. They were so heavily coded, especially Ike with his endings and his lack of interest in women. Another pairing I liked from those games was Tibarn x Reyson. Tibarn had some straight moments with the wolf queen character in F10, but he still was all about Reyson.
No. 179848
>>179665I can't stand the current woke "top/bottom dynamics is
toxic" and "small bottoms are abuse" trend. Excuse me for being an oldfag degenerate fujo who likes size differences and an effeminate bottom being ravished by a bigger top. Not to derail but it has the same energy as complaining about how butch/femme lesbians are "supporting harmful heteronormative gender norms" which, as a butch lesbian attracted to femmes, I hate more than anything. Opposites attracting has nothing to do with heteronormativity, it's one of the shittiest falsified reaches that I know.
No. 179850
>>179835Oh anon, if only you know how bad the localization truly is. I'll list what's wrong with it quickly, aside from all the gay shit being toned down:
>instead of letting Camilla be a slightly stereotypical oneechan character, she's now everyone's mom friend to make the pseudo-incest subtext. While also adding more mommy fetish dialogs that are out of place. Because apparently finding your mom fuckable is better than wanting to fuck your sister??>Xander/Marx is basically a severely abused child in the Japanese game who is always obeying his piece of shit, abusive father because he never knew anything else and he's the heir and it's his duty to obey the King/his father, yet he also knows that makes him a piece of shit by default. It's often mentioned that all of Garon's children and concubines were trying to murder each other for the throne and it's heavily implied Xander was forced to execute many of his siblings because that's literally his job after almost being murdered by them making the scene of him accidentally killing Elise and pretty much letting himself die after that way more logical. In the American version he has dialogs showing that he'll blindly follow his father's cruel orders no matter what AND dialogs showing that he wants to rebel against him, which makes the entire plot of all three versions of the game suddenly extremely incoherent just by itself>Azura is very obviously supposed to be inspired by Indian mythology once you play the DLC route but all the references to Valla being inspired by India and smaller ancient silk road countries were changed to ancient Greece references… the character has a fucking bollywood dance scene and wears a heroic fantasy sari btw kek>Leon/Leo in the Japanese version is more insecure and less jealous of Xander >They replaced the C rank support between Saizou and Beruka so now, instead of it being about their respective jobs as paid assassins ever since they were children and how potentially traumatizing it is, they literally just say "…", video related>they made Camilla have a crush on Silas just because. It makes him seem a bit creepy because the localizers can't fucking write despite trying to make them look like a cute couple. This is completely absent from the original game>more about fanservice, they made Xander way less slutty in the "petting" minigame>a character named Soleil was meant to be one of these unfunny "cutesy yuribait character who's actually straight" character and can only marry guys and sexually harass women in her supports, but some literally autistic transbian named Andrea Ritsu (he has an old thread here I think?) sperged so hard online despite never caring about the games that the localization team made her an actual lesbian and changed many of her supports. Actual lesbians would be offended by her dialogs I think>removed a shit ton of optional costumes, mostly swimwear, because pixelated boobs are not family friendly, but that also means you can use them in multiplayer despite all the really good stat boosts. Nothing replaced the stat boosts you can get from them either>no "petting" minigame, so a shit ton of voiced dialogs that show the characters' daily lives of backstories that aren't even fanservicey were removed. The very few lines left were changed to be more fanservicey though? Go figure>one of the characters, Hinata's son, acts like an old man despite being a teenager, so he mentions once or twice that he eats pickled vegetables or something as a reference to that. The original joke is that he's a young guy with the mind of an old man. This was changed so that 99.999% of his lines are about pickles because it's le funny xD for American localizers I guess>your child says "I love so much mom/dad!" in a side quest if you save them from enemies, it's changed with "rawr! it means "I love you" in dragon!">Effie went from soft spoken, kind of shy woman with crazy strength to "unga bunga muh protein">they added random jokes and MCU-tier one liners in very serious scenes about fratricide, ptsd and child abuse because lolsorandumXD
>How is Niles making dirty jokes at his husband less gay than just being sweet with him?It's all because of context. His backstory is that he's a former child prostitute who dirty talks all the time to make people as uncomfortable as possible to make them fuck off. He says himself that it's just a front to protect himself, and that him being more romantic and more serious means he's really in love. Once you have that context it makes that localization choice strange. The fact that they removed a lot of things that were deemed too lewd yet added more lewd lines for him is also nonsensical.
No. 179906
>>179905well she made herself a gay vampire as well, that way it works
she also wrote a BDSM erotica Novels about cinderella and less then quarter of the sex scenes were m/f and almost all of them were m/m featuring her OC's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeping_Beauty_Quartet#Plot_summary No. 179921
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>avid BL reader
>acts like an unhinged fujo and ships real people
>i'm actually straight uwu i had a crush on a girl
why did this dumpster fire get an adaptation? is it so difficult to admit that yeah he is a gay guy, why do they need to twist it in a he's ackshually straight way when literally NO straight man would willingly read BL. i'd understand if he was a cunning scrote reading BL to impress some fujos but the story makes zero sense
No. 179937
>>179921>>179929I knew an alleged straight guy who said he into reading BL as an evolution of his reading of Trap/Crossdressing Hentai and claimed that Yaoi was the best source for crossdressing doujins
weirdly enough he was against IRL trannies and claimed that 3D crossdressing males were all disgusting and repulsive towards him
No. 179949
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>>179921haven't watched the series but I read the Manga sometime back
Its a very odd series, both mundane and kind erratic at times, one factor it ended up getting right and very realistic was how most boyfriend's react to BL, either they act very dismissive and try to convince their girlfriend to change interests or they don't give a shit and just sorta ignore it, that's been mine and my acquaintance's experience
It also has a trope that I hate(Not just in BL but with certain works in general) where character is stated to be "delinquent" or "badboy" but they don't do anything even slightly delinquent related and are just a moral strong guy
No. 179954
>>179951well its a slice of life, I think the author stated she didn't want anything smutty
she even declared her desire for making a genre called "boys life" for those who desire a more casual feel, from what I've read there does seem to be a build up for the two MC's to get together but yeah its a super slow burn, I have a friend whose really into it but I got bored
No. 179958
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>>179774Last I checked on on fujochan (a few days ago) there wasnt any friend finder thread, nor hetalia thread either. You can start one there nona though it could be just two of us talking to each other lmao.
sperg away here! Your picrel comic is so cute… what does this strip reference from?
hetalia came out when I was 21 (the anime at least), I didn't get into it as much & mostly consume fan arts from weibo artists because… I thought they were pretty.
I'm kind of a historical buff so seeing inaccuracies & saw how the author making light of serious events in history mightve put me off during that time. Though if it's just mindless shipping, pretty art,
and the porns are hot that's where my headspace is at. Hetalia is considered
problematic to be a fan of nowadays unless you're completely divorced from being online / on social media.
I find russia/Ivaal is pretty cute and My Type since I always have a soft spot for gentle looking characters with Huge eyebrows but have a yandere streakNot sure how he works with Alfred, if not rivalry, plotting to one up him.
maybe squidward/spongebob dynamic because russian is old power and america is young poweryeah, I like looking at ships in this way lol. Tell me your thoughts anon!
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>>179963okay with most series I agree with your conclusion but I do somewhat suspect that that Demon Slayer's Mangeka is a woman
there's a very feminine feeling and look with the characters that a male couldn't draw with
No. 179970
>>179963the argument is always the same "this manga doesn't have bleach/bnha-tier coomerbait and the female characters are very #girlboss so it must be written by a woman!"
i think kny might be written by a woman because the art style is very shoujo-esque and it revolves around the theme of family but there is literally nothing about jjk that screams female mangaka
No. 179989
>>179969disagree. People can casually enjoy shounen ai / bishounen manga, if it's done right and not the baity "are they gay thoughhhhh" because it is indeed an annoying trope.
>>179979youre
valid babe
No. 179991
>>179969Let's stop using a term that was actually used in japan to describe real pedophilia and was mistakingly adopted by the west.
Just call it BL and add whatever other words you need.
No. 179993
>>179991Fine, BL but with no hand-holding or kisses
>>179979Only in certain doses
>>179989The "are they??" is what I hate about that genre. I know many aren't like that, but a huge chunk I have run into are
No. 179997
>>179995…and how is it related to pedophilia? crime stats? articles explaining the term is used by pedo?
shounen - the genre itself are for teens16+
the genre of shounen ai only depicting romantic love, nothing sexual, even when implied it is not in gratuitous purpose. It is not child porn.
if you're replying to this with another "it is pedo though!" I assume youre underage on lolcow dot farm
No. 180006
>>179997What? In Japan shonen ai was simply a word used by real pedophiles or by people to describe pedos.
That's it. Originally it had nothing to do with actual BL or shota. Its use to refer to anime/manga is purely a western thing.
>>179999No, shonen ai was a term mistakenly adopted by the west. In Japan it had nothing to do with BL. It's about time we let it die.
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can we go at least five days on this thread without going back to the whole shotacon sperg, please, i'm praying to my yaoi jesus, bring back anons who just talking about voltron ships or whatever, fuck meeee
No. 180011
>>179999NTA but apparently the term isn't used to refer to yaoi without sex in japan, "pederasty" is literally written as shounen-ai in japanese:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E6%84%9BThe term shounen-ai in relation to manga is pretty much only used for early works by Keiko Takemiya, Moto Hagio, etc.
They mostly use "BL" or "Boys Love" in japan, the shounen-ai and yaoi distinction is pretty much a western thing.
No. 180012
>>180011>>180006Ok yeah small correction cause my memory was bad, shonen ai did get used a bit at the beginning when BL was starting to come into existence as a genre, but when then got dropped in the late 90s and now only means real life pedophilia. Unfortunately the west never caught on.
So yeah anyway just don't use it anymore it's outdated af.
No. 180023
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Aaaanyway, what are your absolute favorite ships that you still sail on to this day nonnas?
Picrel, they were my first ship and seeing the fanservice in Sun/Moon was so nice
No. 180074
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>>180023I will never forgive Clamp. NEVER.
No. 180104
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>>180101Sorry for your uncultured taste
nonnie, Genshin serves the best gay bishies.
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>>180122You see this is my dilemma because I see actors playing characters as the characters (eg, MCU fujo vs marvel comic fujo).
Even stuffs like virtual bands/idols (Gorillaz, Hatsune Miku) they're a group project consists of artist, writer, producer, etc. So the fandom surrounds them are still producing contents that are already fictional.
Pop Idol fandoms… in which I can understand to a degree (couldn't get into it either), since they're producing songs and maybe occasionally throw in lore (like virtual bands did), it's fun for fandom to speculate and make contents over. The shipping thing happens to be a product of fanservice.
Now, to virtual youtuber… which is streamer with an avatar, sometimes individual sometimes a group. A plethora of personality and "lore" which are usually commentary and quirks that the streamer behave during live. Impromptu comedy/skit is most favorable since it leaves a level of authenticity and connection to the audience (plus chat interaction).
Now it's where the bottom the iceberg hurts my brain because I don't understand the 18+ doujin generated from fans based on these vtubers. In which (I THINK?) a lot of time people just want to see a scenario when their fav gets fucked and that's pretty much it.
Please grade on my essay I'm just an old and confused fujo
No. 180202
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>>180168Glad to know their sales and popularity tanked. Good riddance to those hacks.
No. 180219
>>180074>>180202How'd they fuck up with these two to earn your ire,
nonnie? I never got far into xxxholic, but I liked the art style. The boys look cute together, what a waste.
No. 180238
>>180219How do I even begin?
Yuko disappears because it turns out she was dead all along. Watanuki inherits the shop and never leaves. He becomes a smug know-it-all piece of shit that becomes obsessed with finding Yuko, not learning a single fucking lesson from her. He never sees Himawari ever again, only calling her on her birthday. She ends up marrying a rando
Kohane, the psychic child, is also in love with Watanuki and she grows up and MARRIES Doumeki. They both enter a loveless marriage so they can keep an eye on Watanuki and have kids so they can watch over him until the end of fucking time. It's deplorable for both of them and Watanuki feels no remorse.
And even though Wakanuki receives a dream vision that Yuko wants him to MOVE ON, he DOESN'T. He continues his shitty new attitude and continues. You later find out that 100 years passes and Doumeki's fucking grandkid who resembles him visits Watanuki on the reg, and he inherited the egg. Not sure if you got to the point where Doumeki got the egg, but long story short, he does NOTHING with it. NOTHING.
And really random detail, but Wakanuki is the son of clone Sakura and clone Syaoran. That's the identity of his parents. That's why he randomly looks like Clow Reed.
They tried to continue it because everyone was fucking mad as fuck at Clamp for its ending, but it's still on hiatus when they tried again. I fucking hate Clamp and their obsession with Sakura and Syaoran so much. All they've been doing is riding the coattails of CCS and never fucking got off.
No. 180311
>>180249Ok retard, here is your source.
https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B0%91%E5%B9%B4%E6%84%9B_(%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3%E6%BC%AB%E7%94%BB)Someone else also posted another source if you can't read. Stop using this shitty term, it makes you look like a newfag. Any decent site that posts about or provides BL content is trying to move past it, there is literally no reason to defend a dying term from the 90s. What the fuck are you in this hobby for if you can't keep up with the most basic shit about it? Your shit comes from Japan, created by Japan, in japanese, there is no reason not to use the words they chose.
No. 180318
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>>180311NTA but how fucking thick can you get when anon above already linked the article,
>>180011 and gave you a summary, and explained that the term has a different meaning "pederasty". Shounen-ai is simply replaced by the new terms that surfaced during late 90s, such as "Boy's Love", "Yaoi", "JUNE" and "fiction novel", it is
NOT because "shounen-ai" was a derogatory term.
Just be honest that you can't fucking read japanese and stop spreading false information, you'd get yelled at in here. Get back to your tiktok doxxing webtoon authors you fucking twat.
No. 180326
>>180321Some idiot decided to be fancop Mussolini over a single word kek, just ignore her sperging or report the posts.
>>180024Sorry for the late reply anon! There wasn't anything overt, but they both showed up together to challenge your trainer to a battle late in the game, and had some cute dialogue. It was implied they came to Alola together which was cute.
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thinking about rusame anon… </3
>>180359Clamp's stories have always been a hit or miss for me. I actually admire of the fans that still keep up with Tsubasa despite of their irregular release. These women must be in their 50s now jesus
No. 180443
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>>180409off topic since there's a gore raid on /ot/ and I really wanted to check out the fujo vs yumoji thread that was newly created.
I haven't been out of the loop with the yumejo sperging thing (generally thought they're contained in fujo cringe thread which I avoid avidly).
Please tell me this divide is fake and only exists online because no other geek women online I ran to ever mention it, or at least even if they don't refer themselves as fujo it'd just be "I like OO ship because __"
A few posts in this thread that yumejo behaviors are prevalent offline as well? Maybe I don't have enough nerd girl friends..
No. 180448
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>>179958>>180371Rusame nona! Hopefully I tagged the same person. Anyway, picrel was from one of hima's more recent(? a few months ago) comics. Iirc Russia sent a cardboard cutout of himself to everyone to rank his friend list and picrel was him at the end flustered by america's antics lmao.
Sperging incoming! I love the rusame dynamic because they were allies to deep enemies, and to maybe/probably lovers. I imagine my rusame to be on good terms, having each others backs to cold enemies during the cold war lmfao. Them being so different yet so similar at the same time, hence, clashing so heavily against each other. The naiviety of america vs the old and cynical russia, different ideologies. It's hot when they hate fuck each other in the "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" type of way. Revealing their most vulnerable selves during sex and suddenly when the cold war is over, there's a concern for each other. Only the two of them will understand each other that deeply since they both of have seen and accepted all of the other's flaws. It's kind of assuring at the same time, and when they still get together to fuck, they're still thinking whether they're playing mind games or not. The fluff is only good after the mindfuckery. I'm not so well versed on the history side so this is what is to me. Thank you for reading my sperg, hope you have a blessed day rusame anon <3
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>>180446That's good to know, I guess at least the discussion has a containment thread for it (and hopefully not breaching to here since I don't understand the division between the two).
>>180448Been thinking of you nona ♥
Thanks for the context for the comic, that is so cute. I love your interpretation of rusame with their rocking relationship (ally, to lover, to enemies, to ex-enemies with a hate boner for each other). This makes me want to research of the history of their alliance, which is so interesting to me!
This fan art from picrel
artist @NUNOKISO got me thinking of this dynamic of rusame being villain-duo. Whether they're ally or at wars at each other, it causes casualties to their surroundings.
which goes deep into decades of global economy crisis & military expansions, etcI'd to see them being destructive and self-destructive to each other, it's exhilarating for me to watch and speculate (at least in Hetalia universe, nothing serious!)
No. 180507
>>180443It's honestly because yumejos consider fujos disgusting coomer freaks below them and desperately want to be differentiated, you see it happen all the time around the site and only recently have fujos started to really get fed up with it. Fujos might make a snarky remark about hetships but then you get the rabid yume throwing a shitfit over being bullied and unironically crying heterophobia. It isn't a new thing at all, the divide has existed in the Japanese fandom since forever but it's relatively more recent in the west due to the sudden availability of otome games here. Before yumes were clumped in with fujos due to everything josei with pretty boys being called "fujopandering".
Personally my problem with yumes has always been the thinly veiled homophobia, not even talking about the "ew I hate those 2D homos" thing but the constant dismissal of lesbian fujos and the strange refusal of acknowledging their existence and the stupid arrogance instead of compassion over aidens who troon out under misogynist pressure. I'm tired of having to explain for the 100th time how the psychology works only for a new bitch come in to screech about how "you can't be a lesbian because you're licking 2D scrote dick".
No. 180529
>>180512You can be a yume and a fujo if you only have one husbando (maybe from another series) and enjoy BL ships. When I used to husbando [redacted] other ships (both het and gay) that didn't include him didn't bother me.
But most yumes, especially western yumes, are just vaguely attracted to 2D men that's why they're fine shipping them with mary sues, #girlboss no.637281 and tiddie fanservice characters. When you fall in love with someone IRL you don't imagine scenarios with them and other girls right? That's how you know their love is shallow. They're just hetshippers.
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>>165351what is our next thread title going to be? or there's already an anon assigned to do that.
No. 180829
>>179949>either they act very dismissive and try to convince their girlfriend to change interests or they don't give a shit and just sorta ignore itthat's been my experience as well, my husband really doesn't understand my interest but he respects my individual interests and I respect his and we don't force the other to like what we life if were uncomfortable with it
Honestly if these cringy "Fujo girls" adaptations were realistic, I think that would be the case with 90% of fujos and their boyfriends as well
No. 181047
>>180443Sperg but reading that Yumes vs Fujos thread gave me genuine brain damage. Imagine unironically complaining about how "you're not allowed to be a straight woman anymore" and how the whole existence of male/male ship art is an insult to their hetero conviction. I would accuse them of laying bait but I actually know people IRL who constantly feel insecure about being a het artist and go on these tonedeaf public rants about how straight relationships need representation too and how they consider their work being threatened by the popularity and widespread presence of m/m or f/f material, receiving an overwhelming amount of support for it instead of being told to wipe those crocodile tears away. This clown world lunacy is an actual proof of how terminally online these people are to think gay romance is the norm and that hetshippers are being burned at a stake for their straight propaganda.
I completely get the point about wanting more het material that's healthy and created by women and can get behind that demand but being resentful of fujos for producing their own and dominating the female market is pathetic. Fujos are so dedicated to their community and so used to creating their own content and not taking anything for granted, fucking Comiket exists because of them because they wanted to have a place to share their passion for their works. Hetshippers should learn a lesson or two so they don't have to go around crying about being bullied by imaginary fujo strawmen.
No. 181066
>>181056Their reasoning is that all heterosexual content is created by men and that women don't receive any healthy, balanced m/f content tailored for them which is a bald-faced lie altough I know where the assumption stems for. However, women write plenty of straight romance novels and weebs have multiple female-written straight romance genres to enjoy. It's mostly just people who like shit like Twisted Wonderland or other series blurring the line between otome and fujopandering being mad that fujoshit content is popular in their fandom and their fantasy is being threatened.
I really want to believe that half of the posts in that thread are created by scrotes to stir discord but I'm forced to accept that at least some of them are legitimate because I know people like this outside of Lolcow.
No. 181084
>>181079Yeah, I’m playing twisted and when they bring up the Epel trap stuff, they’re like
>This is an all boys school, girls are not allowed!Nobody bats an eye at MC, so it’s safe to assume that it’s a crossdressing MC or a male. I mean, what did anyone expect? It’s Disney, of course they won’t create an actual otome experience, they’re just selling their own interpretations of “What if the queen of hearts was a guy!!!!!???” And “Scar but it’s a hot guy!!!!” So nobody can make bank with it anymore.
No. 181107
>>181097>>181100Not giving the MC magic or some sort of “The One” prophecy is dumb, does MC even get their respect at some point? It feels like it’s just existing around a bunch of colorful idiots while talking from time to time so the plot continues.
Or idk, make some guys more compassionate about MC not having magic, so far they’re either like “oh, there’s you who can’t use magic I will proceed to ignore your ass and talk to my bf” or just outright mean like the first couple of asshats that MC meets.
No. 181113
>>181107>Not giving the MC magic or some sort of “The One” prophecy is dumb Unironically one of the best parts of the game. I'm actually so glad they didn't take that retarded mary sue """chosen one""" route for once. not every game needs to be full of characters kissing mc's ass nonstop for no good reason, especially not one where the guys are based on
villains.
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>>181248i don't watch either of them but i'd rather they'd get anime version than live action, i really don't enjoy it when i search a manga title for fanarts and whatnot and 3D dudes show up, it's making me anti bl almost lol
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every two days I log in checking this thread for rusame anon and go back to sleep.
Have a good rusame day fellow fujo-anon
No. 181331
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Nonnas, do you have any favorite pairings that you can no longer mention in public? Picrel used to be one of my favorites. Then the author went full degen (unrelated to the anime) and basically now I can't admit to even knowing what this show is, because all anyone does is conflate this author's work with his horrible degeneracy. It's really tragic since the anime itself doesn't have anything like that in it.
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>>181331I was a big fan of picrel, lol. Now it's highly
problematic to enjoy fictional incest.
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>>181334nona, youre
valid, and so smart.
I never into Ouran but for every series out there has twins or some sort alter ego of a character, my brain flares up.
what's the context of your picrel btw
>>181331I don't have any gay ships in ruronin kenshin (I actually find the het ones are pretty well written, especially in the movies).
I still indulge this show from time to time, through piracy, this show has shaped my philosophy in life so much I don't think I can completely discard it; despite the fact that I disagree with the author and the kind of things he endorses.
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>>181331It's mostly shit I do mention an retweet online but I had to delete and redo my twitter to fully escape retards:
>Phoenix/Apollo is demonized because "muh father figure" and because Phoenix's adopted daughter is Apollo's bio sister, not gay but I've seen the same bullshit with Blackquill/Athena>Barok/Ryunosuke is demonized because m"muh racism">Kristoph/anyone is seen as awful because Kristoph is a manipulative criminal and even the people who ship Kristoph/Klavier make both of them OOC>Edgeworth/Phoenix and Klavier/Apollo are sanitized so any of the in-character, fun interactions and banter are nowhere to be seen in fanfics and western fanarts. Suddenly, Edgeworth being tsundere like in the actual game is "problematic" and Klavier gently bullying Apollo doesn't exist anymore>DGS2 spoilers I've even seen Mikotoba/Sherlock being criticized because muh age gap even though it might as well be the closest to a gay canon couple after Edgeworth/Phoenix>Vincent/Rin in Catherine Fullbody because muh transphobia>Yu/Yosuke isn't quite there yet but I've seen people complaining about Yosuke's homophobia and making him very OOC because of it>Vergil/Dante for obvious reasons>anything from Hetalia I guessAnd regarding the manga you posted, I'm still shocked the mangaka only had to pay a small fine and could be back to work as usual. It's fucked up, but I guess he's bringing too much money to the publishers to be fired.
>>181334If you manage to avoid the insane people who take that shit seriously you can in fact ship brothers together. But I get what you mean though.
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>>181350Don't take this the wrong way, but it couldve been you're exposed to puritans/antis a lot in fujo circle?
not to mention the Authentic MLMs out thereThese kinds of takes are completely new to me, ridiculous even, especially
>Edgeworth/Phoenix and Klavier/Apollo are sanitized so any of the in-character, fun interactions and banter are nowhere to be seen in fanfics and western fanarts. Suddenly, Edgeworth being tsundere like in the actual game is "problematic" and Klavier gently bullying Apollo doesn't exist anymoreMakes me grateful I never dug into AA fandom, at all, I'm a BL artist and I have a few AA shipper artists follow me and they don't seem to do any kind of santitized, woobifying Edgeworth like you mentioned. Most are just shitposting comics I've seen.
To call Edgeworth's tsundere signature trait "
problematic" must be coming from extreme online crazies that cant justify themselves for disliking certain headcanons
Sperging ahead
I've ran a few of them in the past, took me big lesson to not EVER take them seriously at all. I've seen them called out harmless, very-canon depiction of a ship "misogynistic" (???) just because that ship fights each other alot and isn't entirely coffee-shop au No. 181357
>>181356>Don't take this the wrong way, but it couldve been you're exposed to puritans/antis a lot in fujo circle?It's more that I was exposed to them before. Now, not so much. But when I was still on tumblr I made friends who were into Ace Attorney and ere pretty normal, well-adjusted weebs but they changed and became puritan SJWs who thought that gay ships that aren't depicted as a cutesy domestic couple was contributing to offensive stereotypes towards real gay men. I unfollowed all of them over the past few years and mostly follow Japanese and Chinese artists, and maybe a few European ones. About the other pairings I mentioned, I keep blocking underage fangirls who have too much time to waste online, but they tend to harass other artists for their ships.
When I look for art and fics I find the exact same shit. Klavier being all over Apollo and being way nicer towards him and calling him petnames, and Edgeworth and Phoenix being your average cutesy, old married couple. With non of the tension from the actual games.
No. 181361
>>181357> But when I was still on tumblr I made friends who were into Ace Attorney and ere pretty normal, well-adjusted weebs but they changed and became puritan SJWs who thought that gay ships that aren't depicted as a cutesy domestic couple was contributing to offensive stereotypes towards real gay men.I wonder what caused the shift. I'm pretty convinced that whole Voltron fandom dilemma causes a ripple effect to all gay ships fandom these days.
As for my personal experience as a BL artist, I was never directly interacted with puritans/antis, I think they just learned to block me which is? I was lucky for that part.
I actually got harassed by older fujo seemed to be traumatized by antis apparently. They used the same rhetoric of "this headcanon is harmful in real life".
One of them was being xenophobic towards me because I'm from east asiaNowadays I just hang around other east asia fujo, they're… cringe by my standards. There are definitely anti-fujo but at the very least they're honest about it? Like my friend would get minors DMing them about "distributing homosexual propaganda is illegal in the country", which we just screencapped and laughed at that.
I really wish these kinds of arguments that based on disagreements wouldn't escalate so much like how I see nowadays. Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.
No. 181374
>>181361I think I already started seeing shitty discourse in 2012, so way before the new Voltron series. It was basically a game of telephone, here's how I remember it:
>fujoshi were pretty much normal teenagers and young adult women minding their own business>then gay guys would say things like "stop treating us like fashion accessories" and "stop hitting on us in gay bars" to actual faghags, completely unrelated to fandoms>then fakebois deformed this and made it about them and started saying that we were fetishizing them if we liked Free!! or Hetalia or some shit>well-meaning, naive fujoshi actually started believing this and started policing each other>some of them claim to be ftm or enby or some shit to be able to post whatever they want without being harassed by their mutualsMy friends from back then and I are European but since me and two of them aren't white I guess one of them started to be way more critical of what we would do because we were supposed to set examples or some shit? One of them turned into a turbo SJW and the other made her endlessly seethe by insisting that Naoto from P4 is a woman and not a tranny.
>spoilerWhat did they tell you? I can already guess they said something stupid but I want to know how stupid that was.
>which we just screencapped and laughed at that.Based.
>Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.That's what I'm currently doing. Twitter is trash but I managed to make myself feel at home by blocking and muting the right people and tags.
No. 181376
>>181374> I think I already started seeing shitty discourse in 2012I've read all your bullet points, and damn, I think during that era I was actively posting & engaging Dmmd fandom, saw some older fujo complained about people calling Mink "
problematic" and bitched about ship wars. I never got to encounter with any kind of bad take at all, just got home from class, doodled and posted, scrolled feed for more fan arts. I was really on the fringe of these fujo-adjacent fandoms so I was free from drama fortunately.
What do you usually do on fandom space?
For me I'd love to draw, discuss headcanons, and then draw the headcanons based from the discussions with friends. A lot of shitposting which is a good stress relief for me.
I enjoyed being in fujo-space since I'm less pressured to look at some fuck-up porns shared around by male otaku. Women space tends to be more polite and civil. Which is why I'm sad that women space is getting more policed these days. I never had to block anyone until the tumblr ban happened, and eroded twitter in mass.
> What did they tell you? I can already guess they said something stupid but I want to know how stupid that was.I'm not allowed to say word-to-word since it could get me ID'ed (sorry!). The gist is that
I'm some third-world country scum kind of deal. It's still fucked me up and I'd have to hide my nationality when I'm online now.
No. 181379
>>181374>and the other made her endlessly seethe by insisting that Naoto from P4 is a woman and not a tranny.I know these people are retarded, but the constant insistence that female characters who pretend to be male to avoid the limitations put upon women by their culture's misogyny still baffles me. How can you miss the point
that hard?
And the discourse was definitely starting up in 2012, you're right. I think things only really started to take off in 2015-2016ish, that's when I started to see constant bitching from fakebois and other assorted wokescolds about how Free! fans and the like are essentially Westboro-tier homophobes for thinking nipple-less anime prettyboys making out is hot, kek
No. 181387
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Anyone who knows japanese maybe help to help me with this?
I have 0 japanese understanding and asked a native translator. Basically from what I understand is that the Lion guy wants to be tied up, spanked and such, but the dark-haired guy wants to do normal, romantic courtship. But what I don't get is:
Why does the dark-haired guy tell the Lion-guy "No." but then asks him at the end: So, are these the hobbies you're into? I can do it, if you want to. And then the Lion guy suddenly denies it, even though he aggressively demanded it a panel earlier?
Also, I was told on 4chan (I know, I know…) by guys that the native translators didn't do a good job. But I have no clue if that statement is true or not, I'll post the results below. If anyone could help me get some insight, I would appreciate it.
Her translation:
ゴロゴロゴロゴロゴロゴロ
Gorogorogorogorogorogoro (onomatopoeia)
むず
Muzu (onomatopoeia)
よい夜をキングスカライ
Have a good night, Kingscarae.
おやすみの挨拶
Good night greetings
贈り物
gift
手をつなぐ
join hands
興味ねぇ・・・
I'm not interested.
これをやろう
I’ll give it to you.
おにくランチボックス
Meat lunch box
あれがガーゴイル
That's the gargoyle.
違うだろ
It's not.
がきじゃねぇんだ
You are not a small kid.
さっさとヤれよ？！
Just do it now.
縛ったり
tie them up
叩いたり
slapping
お前のイメージはこんなんだろ
This is what your image looks like.
ネコにしつけをしてやろう
Let's train the cat.
ヌルいんだよ
You're halfway there.
のしっ
noshi (onomatopoeia)
ムズムズする
I feel my fingers itch.
ビビビ
bebebe(onomatopoeia)
オラ、手を出せ
Hey. Give me your hand.
手篭めにしろ！
Lock me up!
順序は追うべきだ
We should follow the order.
だめ。
No.
そ、そうか・・・（？）
Oh, yeah… (? )
ところでお前にはああいった趣味があるのか？
By the way, do you have any hobbies like that?
やりたいなら努力してみよう
If you want to do it, I’ll try my best to make it happen.
いや やりたくはねぇ・・・
No, I don't want to do it…
No. 181390
>>181374Oldfag fujo here, this is a very accurate rundown of it. I remember that "fujos are just
straight girls fetishizing gay men" discourse popping up around the same time the transgender trend started gaining more traction, i.e. mid-2010's. There definitely was a correlation, the first people I saw pushing that narrative were he/him Aidens who were aggressively skinwalking gay guys and it was so retarded I saw through that bullshit even back then despite dipping my own foot in fakeboy-ism. It definitely outdates Voltron but during that whole garbage fire the people shipping Keith and Lance made it mainstream with the help of those naïve fujos who thought they were doing a favor policing other women for their interests.
>>181361>Everyone plays in their sandbox and leave each other alone.It was easier when people had their dedicated corners of the internet where they spent their time with like-minded individuals. Now you have everyone amalgamated into one big miserable social media site where it's next to impossible to completely avoid seeing shit you don't enjoy because there's no integrated tagging system and people generally don't know how to navigate.
No. 181417
>>181387Hey
nonny, it's not that your native friend has incorrect translation, it is because this page has so little context to through (I still dont know why theres a caption: "good night." at the top right corner).
The context I understood that those two are on a date: sequences including eating bento and holding hand.
So the Lion guy flipped out right "Hey, that's not right. This is what in your imagination isn't it?" (or "This is what your version of our
dates isn't it?")
Then the dark hair dude said "No. (だめ)" - "We should follow the order"*
*This translation is correct, a literal word to word of what he said. But the accurate, easy to understand of that sentence is "We should do things by the order of a romantic relationship", or similar expression in English is "We should take it slow."
So.. by the black haired guy's definition is that he Really wants to do dirty things to the Lion dude, but the gag here is that he can be surprisingly traditional, which surprised the Lion guy.
Hope it makes any sense lol, I'm more a liberal translator.
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>>181348I also like the het ships in Kenshin, (I like both), and I adore the live action movies even more than the anime/manga. Based taste nonna.
>>181350Yeah, tbh I really don't like the author or what he's done as much as anyone sane. It's the mere fact that I can't even mention enjoying Kenshin, because wokelets everywhere within a 50 mile radius come flocking to call me a pedo supporter. I've had it happen in multiple places, I've just learned that I have to pretend Kenshin doesn't exist I guess.
Also Barok/Ryunosuke is that
problematic? Fuck I can't have anything, kek.
I knew about the other ships here (bless them nonas they're all great) through the unfortunate fact that I'm also a BL artist and like to draw ships. Shipping fandom is just pure cancer, and while I knew that going in I didn't expect it to be like this. It's hard to find chill people and the hoards of shit I sometimes get is exhausting.
No. 181427
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>>181426> I've had it happen in multiple places, I've just learned that I have to pretend Kenshin doesn't exist I guess.What actually happened to you? if you don't mind me asking.
I've been a private person and kept most of my niche interests to myself, or if I happen to get brainrot over a ship or series for a short period of time, I'd have someone to yell about it until something else takes place. So I'm pretty lucky that I didn't run into anyone would lecture me that "x thing is
problematic" haha.
> I'm also a BL artist and like to draw shipsThis makes me wonder how many art anon here in fujo thread. I'm counting two now. Who else please raise your hand.
>>181402I ranted about this from time to time in art salt thread. I do miss a platform where the portion of artist vs audience isn't such a huge gap. Usually (from my experience) the dramas started from non-artists, or artists who cant seem to grasp their inferior complex to nitpick other artist's drawings ("Oh, the men she draws look like women, she must be a fetishist!" / "This author is making this character into a male prostitute, I HATE prostitutes! This author must be punished for that".)
Thank GOD I never get into doing webtoon, seems like they have the most cancerous audience and I genuinely ran out of patience to deal with any kind of immature takes out there.
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>>181427I don't mind! I've been chased out of a few discords that weren't even centered on shipping or fandom (they were just arts discords and spaces I thought were relaxed). One for just mentioning that I like the live action movies, the other two for just drawing really harmless fanarts that were just Kenshin standing around and posing.
I also used to get regular hate on an old tumblr I used to upload my works on. I deleted those works and deactivated it for a different reason though. I haven't been brave enough to post anything related to the series on twitter. I get regular hate on twitter now and then via qrts (I used to get annoying DMs but turned those off long ago). I just block or ignore it, it's manageable since I haven't been cancelled yet, kek.
No. 181439
>>181429Anon… I'm so sorry all of this happened to you wtf!! I never joined art discords myself, though I've been encouraging my friend whos new to art to join discords since the environment is more manageable in compared to social media.
This makes me curious what kind of content you created on tumblr which led you to receive so much hate.
I only had one shipping drama that permanently fucked me over mentally, but on social media I do not receive direct hate or harassment anymore. Though just having that one incident already caused me wanting to quit drawing altogether.. I salute you anon.
I'm actually curious to hear more of your story
I'm so privy ahhh I'm so sorry but usually I feel less alone when I hear artists share their struggle with being online and having to engage with the audience that can turn
abusive anytime, imo.
If you want I can drop my temp discord in next reply so we can have short term chat outside of LC No. 181449
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>>181376>What do you usually do on fandom space? The things you mentioned. We used to shitpost, talk about our headcanons, favorite scenes, favorite characters, hypothesis about the next episodes/video games/movies/books, recommend fics to each other, reblog art we liked to show it to each other, etc. I used to draw a lot but I've stopped long ago because not being able to afford a proper desk and anything that made art fun and seeing other artists my age who had tablets/pads and their own laptops was extremely frustrating. That was so long ago now…
>spoilerFuck this bitch. I hope you reported her.
>>181379>>181390Yeah, 2016 felt like the pic of this bullshit discourse because of American underaged newfags hoping in and series like Voltron and Steven Universe having the most obnoxious fanbases after Homestuck. But it did start before that, although it was way easier to ignore.
>>181405At the time people were agreeing that Yosuke was gay for the MC and in total denial, but after P4 Golden got released a shit ton of people just watched like half of a playthrough on youtube and thought they knew what they were talking about.
>>181426>Also Barok/Ryunosuke is that problematic? Fuck I can't have anything, kek. Yeah I legit see people saying Barok was way too racist against Ryu but tbh… Despite being rude towards him he still treated him way better than how I've been treated by a lot of "non-racist" people my whole life so I didn't even notice anything at all and still don't get where the complaints come from. It's all very exaggerated, and Japanese and Chinese fujos don't give a fuck and draw them fucking like rabbits all the time anyway. Anyway, good luck to you if you often post you art online.
Sorry for the wall of test, have a slutty Barok. No. 181452
>>181449I'm this anon
>>181376> Yeah I legit see people saying Barok was way too racist against Ryu but tbh… I never got to play this game, but have Great Ace Attorney in my wishlist (I enjoyed the first three games!).
When I was friends with this heavily woke group on twitter (yeah.), one of my ex friend was livetweeting playing the game, and said something like
> wow why is there so much racism in this game. I understand the historical context behind it but if I want to experience racism I can just go outside lolSaid person shares my nationality and honestly… after seeing their comment I stopped associating myself with them. I feel like my hype for the game is tainted somewhat now.
No. 181455
>>181452Please play DGS it's a masterpiece. The reason why there's "racism" in this game is because of it's basically based on historical events with Japan trying to imitate powerful Western countries during the Meiji era and signing treaties but you'll see this for yourself. It's not that relevant outside a few specific moments that I won't spoil for you and it's really not that obvious outside of these specific moments. Keep in mind that this is a Japanese game with Japanese main characters and none of the Japanese players ever felt offended.
The game is kind of slow at the beginning because it takes its time to properly introduce its characters and mysteries but once you reach a certain point where everything starts making more and more sense you'll love it. I really don't want to spoil anything for you so I'll shut up now. Ignore this group of friends, if they're like the people I used to know on tumblr they won't hesitate to spoil everything to warn you from the supposedly evil,
problematic content of the game. That's how I got some parts of the first and second Dangan Ronpa games spoiled for me.
No. 181462
>>181405>Yosuke wondering maybe he is gay as wellThis was pretty much confirmed in the deleted magician social link.
Atlus really pussied out deleting this from the game.
No. 181475
>>181331I got some shit from mentioning Souji/Adachi. I had left P4 fandom for years, came back, and apparently this ship was
triggering to people.
No. 181478
>>181475exquisite taste,
nonnie. i miss the days when P4 first dropped. the kink memes were something else, loved how unhinged some of the requests were.
feel free to drop some souji/adachi fics if you know some good ones No. 181529
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>>180497>>181311Rusame nona!!! Oh, I love their rusame art and art in general, thank you for putting it here! Omg nona, your rusame sounds so good too, them being literally "super powers" couple and causing casualties. I'd love to hear about the russo-american(?) relations if you do know any, I shpuld probably read more about it too tbh.
Personally, i love when my rusame is like a game of chess. Mindgames for these two are so exhilerating! I hope you have a good day rusame anon <3 it's always nice to see ypu on here!!
picrel by potatoserver404 No. 181530
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>>181331Like half of my ships.
Because my main ones are currently spardacest in any and all combinations.
And I used to get really
triggered by incest due to ~muh trauma~ but I guess I just didn't see guys hot enough to pull it off.
I feel like a complete degenerate. I try to justify it by "well they're not completely human and I'm sure demons fuck regardless of their kinship" but also like… all my friends started referring to me whenever incest comes up now. All the incest jokes and stupid memes? I guess that's my turf now. I wish DMCV never existed because it ruined me as a normal person.
I'll admit I've read incest before and also ships with iffy dynamics like mentor/student and father figure/son figure, but I only ever did it to self-harm and like, mentally hurt myself because I quit physical self-harm and needed SOMETHING to take the edge off. And in the end I memed myself into this mess and genuinely getting off to spardacest. I hate myself even more now, but I can't help liking them so much… ugh. Also like, I've read it before because it wasn't so taboo when I first came into the fandom spaces and a lot of my fandoms just had incest around as a normal thing. I only ever became squicked once I realise how many of the situations are similar to my own and that I shouldn't probably encourage people getting off on them. And then it all became problematic and I breathed a sigh of relief because it meant not seeing it so much. But now I am into it (with very particular characters only though) and the constant discourse (not to mention my own past) make me feel gross anf guilty. Sorry for like a huge confessional post, but I needed to get it off my chest somewhere.
No. 181557
>>181455thank you for the input anon! I will keep your words in mind and try to shrug off those stupid tweets I've seen before about the game. AA games and its writings always amaze me, Ghost Trick is another fav of mine too.
>>181530I appreciate your honesty anon! I hope it's not me being intrusive but
have you considered telling your friends that they joking about incest ship / making you the "problematic brother shipper friend" does bother you? If I were your friend I'd appreciate that you'd tell me, I'm the type of friend that tends to poke fun at my friends "hehe Pervert!" but often have little consideration of how my friend feels about such label.I hope you can continue to enjoy these ships regardless of the current climate of the discourses. It's sad to see that we cant allow to have guilty pleasure nowadays, and that we always have to rationalize the things we're into. It sucks.
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>>181557My friends know. The closest ones even know the extent of my trauma. And they try to take the jokes back, to apologize, but tbh, I don't feel like actually making them stop.
I'm a bad person who kind of deserves the jokes on their behalf.
That shit… really fucks you up for life. After some time I even started laughing and joking WITH them. Because god, if I do not laugh at it or see hot guys, I just might kms one day for real.
Also seeing cute wholesome art of Vergil/Nero makes me feel better. A bit. Well. I don't know if "better" is the word, but I guess I projected on them all the weird bullshit that happened with my dad. And seeing them fuck makes me more okay because I can kind of distance myself from it. And seeing them cutely together makes me think of what if I actually connected with my father…
God my life is issues on top of issues on top of issues.I started reading A Cruel God Reigns recently, as it's pertinent to the thread and I couldn't handle it, because the trauma narrative hits too close to home.
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sorry for the sperg out but
so in this wotakoi anime apparently the mc is a fujo and her colleague is an even bigger fujo so i genuinely thought this is supposed to be a cute side gay couple but no. surprise! it's a fakeboi!
i genuinely think that either the author isn't a real fujo and only based her characters on fujos she knew irl, or she's one of those annoying fujos that only enjoys the fantasy porn aspect of it but doesn't think gay couples are actually realistic enough to be included in her shitty romcom manga. either way, being a fujo and writing trashy het should be an offense
No. 181568
>>181567>but doesn't think gay couples are actually realistic enough to be included in her shitty romcom manga.This is seriously what bothers me about most "fujoshi lifestyle" manga - they never, ever have actual gay people in them. The main character girl is always boy-crazy and has/gets a boyfriend and so do all her fujoshi friends.
I get that some fujos are unironical straight femcels and want boyfriends and that in Japan the pressure for women to get married is far bigger than in the west but it's still annoying to never see fujoshis being portrayed in a way that isn't just a heterosexual shoujo manga but with a "tee hee she likes watching boys banging isn't that silly!!!" quirk.
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>>181478nta but here a few good ones:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/35284876https://archiveofourown.org/works/30729878https://archiveofourown.org/works/3876559/chapters/8664706https://archiveofourown.org/works/2134626/chapters/4661841Not Souji/Adachi but ofc the historical Sympathy Crime FF someone reposted on ao3:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/34098091/chapters/84827377Due to its inherently ~
problematic~ nature, this ship hasn't attracted a lot of neurotic underage sjws unlike a certain other persona ship. Manipulative, coercive Adachi is really hot especially in the context of the accomplice ending. In the OVA, Yu/Souji has a full blown meltdown upon realizing what he has done. I saw some Japanese fujos mention that Adachi kills himself in the aftermath of the Accomplice ending, I don't think if it's a headcanon or something that was canonized somewhere else.
im the anon who posted about her adachi doujin collection and im thinking of scanlanting them if anyone is interested. mods please don't ban me for namefaggingsaged for persona sperging
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>>181600Oh, my friend wrote one of those. Good recs! I also have a hefty doujin collection, and last year some friends and I were working on scans but we got busy, unfortunately.
If you ever want to team up and trade notes, maybe we could get in contact somehow.>>181478Here's some more.
https://archiveofourown.org/series/1161746https://archiveofourown.org/works/184881https://archiveofourown.org/works/59569(reposting because i effed up the replies)
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>>181603
Were you behind the magatsu agency tumblr, nonnie? You don't have to answer if it's too intrusive of course but if you were, I'm really thankful. I often wonder what happened to Kaleidion too, she translated a lot of stuff. I think after my semester ends, I will scan most my stuff, a lot of which is suuuper old like Opera's 2009 doujins. I think it's extremely interesting how they kinda predicted Golden's new accomplice ending in a way.
Thanks so much for the recs, nonnie, it never occured to me that a lot of good FF would be hidden in the Yu/Adachi tag since Yu isn't the name fujoshis prefer for him.
i hope you and your friends will have fun celebrating his birthday in a few days if you do so. i'm going to bake a red velvet cake, hope i don't fuck it up too bad
No. 181608
>>181606Apparently, I can't even link fics correctly. The last one should be:
https://archiveofourown.org/works/595699>>181607Yes! That was me (and my friends). I actually don't own any Opera doujinshi, so I'd be very interested in yours if you choose to upload them somewhere. Are you planning to translate as well?
Hoping to maybe post fic for his birthday… We will see. Good luck with your cake! No. 181609
>>181608Let it All Out restored five years of my lifespan,
nonnie, thank you so much for uploading it and translating it. Thanks so much for the fics recs too. I started learning japanese for doujin reading purposes, I hope I can become proficient enough to translate them soon! I'll definitely upload the Opera doujins raw at least when I have more time free from uni.
i'll be on the lookout for your fic if you do decide to post it hehe No. 181620
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>>181617Dojima/Adachi is a Dead Dove Do Not Eat in and of itself lol. Pretty hot especially since it's hard to imagine Adachi as the bottom for Yu but more possible with Dojima..
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>>181529nonna ♥
I don't have anything more to add in the rusame sperg. Our convo actually inspired me to create a separate, and quiet fandom account to follow other rusame artists. It's interesting that rusame fans refer them as Harumachi / 春待ち, in which I understood it coins the warm period during 90s when the Cold Wars between russia and america officially over, and they formed alliance temporary during that time. "It comes spring after the cold winter" kind of deal, heheh.
I looked up the artist from your picrel and I vaguely remembered stumble upon their maid rusame fan art,
it is based and galaxy brainedThis has been fun to talk about, have a good rusame day anon!
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>>181710You’re welcome,
nonnie!
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>>181709Rusame nona <3, you are the reason i still check here sometimes even though I tend to forget. I'm glad hetalia fandom is pretty quiet these days, I also have an account to just indulge in my dumbass hetalia shit.
Oh wow, I didn't know the origins of the term. I just thought it sounded so cute, but it is fitting for them I suppose. The end of the cold war, with the coming of spring! I know the ship has a lot of names, in jp and even chinese. Anyway, I hope you'll always have a good one, Rusame nona!
No. 181742
>>181709>>180497idk about this, the appeal of Hetalia comes from historical events being portrayed by cute anime boys but those events are way far back and thus disconnected from our own era, they don't mean anything to us
I feel like going to the 90's with real history is just gonna be
problematic, Russia was in a horrible state in the 90's, there was aboustetly love for America other then by the Oligarchs
If we stuck to the early cold war maybe(chess game and all) but recent history might be too much
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I don't care about Rusame Fruk is superior to everything else but seeing these two anons talking about it warms my heart.
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>>181741Happy to see you reply so quickly this time!! I actually started to draw a bit of low effort rusame fan arts myself, I cant share them on LC but you will probably get to spot me during rusame's day or their birthdays (Hopefully I get to continue drawing them until then.)
I'd love to know their other names in jp and chinese (definitely for old fics searching purpose lol). Love love your picrel. Always got your back rusame anon!!
>>181742Would you like to tell me more? I must admit I have shallow research of russo-america alliance, and only got to dig a bit of their post-cold wars relationship
before the bombingI've always known this ship as having some sort of hate boner for each other.
Here's the wiki that explains the ship name for me. In which the last two paragraphs said
> The name may be coming from those who look forward to Spring and Summer, due to their contempt of the Winter> May be indicating the relationship between the two are an analogy to winter, indicating that they were in a state before it gets warmer.I'd like to avoid recent history too if possible!
>>181751You are
valid anon. If I come across any fruk fan art I will gladly share it ♥
No. 181762
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>>181758I mean the collapse of the Soviet Union was one of the worst tragedies in history for Russians and those living in the regions, people were left destitute, they had worked government jobs their entire lives and then all the factories shut down and now they were in a world they didn't understand, children starved, neighborhoods literally collapsed, entire families killed themselves, the suicide rate skyrocketed, never ending riots and violence, the Oligarchs creating monopiles almost overnight, Then also the war in Chechnya and the election of a drunken puppet leader who sold out the nation
The 90's are not a positive-era for anyone in this region, hell I'd say people became more anti-American in this period then they were entire history of the Soviet Union
I actually like Russia's portrayal btw but I'm not fond of using anything involving recent History for obvious reasons
No. 181768
>>181762AYRT, this is insightful to know, thank you.
I hope my discussion with other rusame anon wasn't overtly tone-deaf in regarding to the characters, I will avoid discussing recent events and stay in context of hetalia universe only.
No. 181856
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>>181768It was cute up until you started discussing more recent history, listen I have no problem with even with the most fucked up rusame dynamic(cause I know its fake and not really my country) but I just dislike this false narrative about America and Russian becoming "friends" in the 90's after the end of the Cold war, something everyone in my country would find extremely offensive and its also blatantly untrue, I can see how Japanese people might have seen this new post-Soviet Russia as a good thing cause the Oligarchs were also selling our country to the Japanese and there was a chance they would ceded territory for some money
>>181767>>181855vast majority of people wanted preservation of the Union
No. 181858
>>181762Based
Even when I was an ignorant Hetard in my weeb teen years I hated America (the character) because I'm a 3rd worlder and hate the USA irl. And Russia has always been my favorite character lmao. So naturally I wasn't very fond of RusAme or AmeRus.
After becoming more politically literate and researching history seriously, it has become harder to tolerate Hetalia shipping and its retarded fans with surface-tier understanding of history. The fall of the Soviet Union is one of the shittiest things I've read about that have happened in recent history so of course seeing idiotic jokes and Hetalia fanart of it make me cringe.
No. 181859
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>>181858I'm Rus anon, for me its fictional as long as its "history" in the proper sense(anything Pre-WW2) anything is inherently going to be
problematic with Hetalia, I think countryhumans is probably worst example of this
They draw countries that were colonized as "femboy bottoms" to the colonizer nations, I hope I don't have to explain to you how messed up that is
No. 181865
>>181861literally no one is saying is hetalia is
problematic here though
No. 181866
>>181861What we were talking about was a specific Hetalia ship. No one here said Hetalia itself is wrong or
problematic or whatever, even if it is cringe-inducing. And even if you acknowledge it as such it doesn't necessarily have to stop you from liking it.
No. 181870
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Wow! Anyway, picrel is from hetalia musical nonas.
>>181758Nona!! I hope we cross paths on whatever social media we're on then! Guess we have to talk about our hetalia headcanons in spoilers,
ah i see, there's a wiki for the ship names huh? the ship names I've seen used are るべー/べーる 春待ち 露米/米露 冷战组 , usually I only see art based on hima's comics and designs of them. Perhaps it's the hetalia nostalgia, that makes me really like this ship lol maybe we shouldn't talk about this too much on here oof it's always nice seeing your replies though, i got ya back too nona <3
No. 181881
>>181872LC users don't care about those things nona. It's useless to try to educate them on history, plus it's also against the rules iirc.
I would recommend a certain imageboard but last year it became an incel cesspool so I guess we have nowhere else to go to talk about this, lol.>>181870The wiki is the Pixiv dictionary, there are several lists for Hetalia stuff. This is the one for couples:
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ヘタリアのコンビタグ一覧Though many of those articles do say that you gotta add "腐向け" to your search when it comes to yaoi ships if you want the ship stuff
No. 181924
>>181907I get you anon, the last two is how I feel about
yume vs fujo thread too. I can tolerate pick-mes to a degree but that level of whining is just annoying to fujo to hear, especially older ones like us.
I guess chime in the sperg but it frustrates me when lesbian/bi fujo are being talked over and "you're actually attracted to men" kind of rhetoric is just sheer childish discourse you'd see on otaku forums in the 2000s.
Hope you can find other outlet for your fandom anon!
No. 182606
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>>170093Not to derail with political spazzing but Fidel Castro’s niece (picrel) is a massive fag hag and he was alright with it