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Oh god I'm gonna YOOOOOM at that threadpic. Thank you, nona. I was worried we'd be stuck in /w/.
No. 356692
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This expression activated something in me. Bettel ryona nonas I'm joining you guys
No. 356712
>>356692When he has his hair slicked back it somehow makes his face look 100x more squeezable. I want to pinch his cheeks so hard they come off and then eat them.
Senzaki mama cooks so well… IDK how I feel about the new Bettellion design, though. Not a fan. IMO Flayon still has the best in Stars.
No. 356771
>>356675I need Mel back so they can do one of these again. I love the acting they did for this stream, here's hoping Ao-kun does more because it was delightful.
I've also been enjoying her recent streams of that bad mascot horror game (Poppy's Playtime?), especially the one she did with Kanade. Having her commenting on things in the background is also very comfy.
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>>356915Let us know if you find one that isn't affiliated with a corpo because same.
I'm sad because I liked Niji KR's Oh Jiyu but because of stupid corpo stuff (the merger) she mostly streams in JP now and I can't understand her anymore.
No. 356985
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I watch Bettel 50% for the ryona and 50% because I think Phantom is the cutest creature in Holo.
No. 357016
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>>356997Is it ethical to promote Gavis Bettel Ryona when the "Gavis Bettel" we direct these violent feelings to is actually a dog? Does it amount to animal abuse? Discuss.
No. 357106
>>357103Noel has my personal favorite voice in holoJP, it's very fortunate that ASMR is kind of her niche.
>I don't usually like such uwu loli voicesPatra has ones where she doesn't talk, if the voices aren't part of the appeal to you. I used to watch those from her because I similarly don't like the nasally loli voice, not outside of her goofy character songs at least.
No. 357219
>>357103The only vtuber whose voice I've enjoyed for ASMR is Aragami Oga. His voice just generally works well for putting me to sleep, though. I've even had his menshi for ASMR content despite not watching his streams overall lol.
I wish I liked my kamioshi's ASMR since it's allegedly her specialty but… she's REALLY not good at it… IYKYK
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Dumb question that I can't find the answer for: When an indie reincarnates as a corporate chuuba, do they contractually have to retire their indie persona, or could they still stream as their "original" self if they really wanted to? I've noticed that those who were fleshtubers beforehand still stream as themselves on occasion even while being a corporate chuuba on the side but those who specifically had a VTuber identity always graduated before joining the agency.
It makes enough sense that it'd just be too difficult for most people to juggle the streaming schedules and kayfabe for two personas at once, but I've never seen any of them call it a break or indefinite hiatus or something. Then again, I've only bothered looking into PLs of the relatively small amount of chuubas that I'm a fan of, so I might just be uninformed.
>>357874I read secondhand that she wanted to do all the vocals for this song on her own (it's usually a duet) and she's the only one credited in the description, so it seems like it! She's full of surprises, I never would've expected that range from her. All her past lives used the typical Korone voice so I got gaslit into believing that was just her natural voice kek. The deeper voice may not fit the Korone character but I do wish there was some way I could hear her use it more…
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Are you ready for Ao-kun's birthday, nonas?
No. 358552
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>>358525I'm never ready for how our girlfriend makes me feel, but I hope she has a wonderful birthday full of love from her fans and friends!
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>>358799Hime is her female fan name so it's truly for just women…
>Hime/princess is her female fans>picrel is her male fans>makes asmr date voicepack just for the princessesHow much more obvious can she make her intentions
No. 358825
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>>358820Unfortunately, she did make one for both… But her birthday set is so nice, I kind of want to get either the keyholder nui or the matching necklace/choker set.
Also, I love that she calls us 火女 to call us her princesses while moids just get to be the funny mask. I'm eating this shit up helplessly, god.
No. 358939
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>>358887Get it! I just nabbed mine… Happy Yooming!
No. 359082
>>359015I think becoming a Koronesuki is usually the first rec for questionz like this, although you're already into Holo so maybe you have a reason you don't watch her?
Doppio and Salome from Niji are also character-heavy but I don't find them as engaging to watch as Korone and Ao.
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Taking a break from my usual Bettel Ryonaposting to put out some positive energy for the clown. I want him back I miss him and am willing to put down my sadism for a moment if it means he cones back full force.
No. 359522
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Nonnies, I'm gushing out. I hope it's an EP. I would also love this frame without the date for my pc or something.
No. 359545
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>>359522Same nonnies make fun of her music but I love seeing her make the music she likes and I like most of her music too
No. 360505
>>359268I'm
>>359288 and I agree with your opinion. Though I still don't really like Idol. Something about the CEO dating/having dated one of the first talents that debuted gives me an icky feeling.
No. 361127
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Fulgur's new model. The way he talked about it I really thought it was going to be an old bara man. This is just an uglier face with a beard that he can take off. Is it even larger? He said he added the taking off beard feature because he knows not many like it so I guess he does care what his audience wants. I don't like to admit it but it fits his voice. I still don't want the males not being able to pretend to be young handsome men to be a trend though.
No. 361200
>>361127Sorry nonnies, I have bad taste and I actually prefer this to his old model.
Forgive me for my sins.
No. 361210
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>>361200Aruran was my oshi for years, so I don't have an issue with models outside of the usual mold. But I think the way Fulgur's facial hair was drawn looks terrible LOL it looks like he's poorly glued loose hair scraps onto his face.
No. 361211
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>>361127Poorly yassified Silvers Rayleigh…
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POV you’re getting marriedd
No. 361266
>>361224I'm curious who this is about anon
>>361264Despite the anatomical mistakes LAM's artstyle is very pretty and the original models' faces where she/he had the most freedom look amazing. Changing your style to fit these requests better is hard especially when you have to make it suitable for rigging. Hope she/he gets to design a female vtuber next.
No. 361331
>>360560How does it feel to be the second luckiest aokn yume on earth?
>>361127Fucking kek, the glasses covering the eyebrows and the massive (but still flat) nose in contrast with the very distinctly visible nostrils make his face look so blank and flat. On top of that, the poor attempt at a beard and the Sephiroth hairstyle are killing me. This is easily the most devastating downgrade I've seen in a while. This is like backwards Aruran.
No. 361367
>>361326I understand you anon, my side oshi got into that exact content before and I was worried I'd have to watch him rp with randoms all day. Thankfully it didn't stick and he had a few actually funny streams before he stopped streaming it. It's sad to hear that
Kanae is wasting time on that stuff when his fans don't care for it. I guess when you're so big you stop caring about it, what a shame.
No. 361402
>>361367I don't completely blame him because initially it was just something casual he wanted to do with his friends after VCR, but with time they became relevant to the overall story and it became hard to quit (he has tried to multiple times and got pulled back in every time). He does recognize it as a clear issue, which is why he tries to do other content as well and essentially doesn't bring it up whenever he streams on Youtube (his streams of that server and anything related to it are strictly 100% on Twitch). Even with his content being more balanced lately I think after all these months I've gotten a bit detached and it probably won't get better until he completely drops it.
Glad to hear your side oshi got out of it safely, I can find most content fun as long as it's my oshi doing it but there is simply nothing enjoyable about this to me. I just feel like I'm crazy sometimes because there's nothing but positivity when you look at what people have to say about it on Twitter, but I guess vtuber fans tend to be like that.
No. 362136
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New Niji JP wave. They have a separate twitter account and animated MV, so they have plans for another wave with lots of promotions.
No. 362137
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>>362136Here's the models, I like that the purple one has a different style. It might look odd moving though.
No. 362151
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>>362150>I've realized that hololive truly is the golden ticket in this industry>forgets rushia and the countless management issues hololive has including a manager forcing a liver to date him >the Taiwan incident where they pushed the livers under the tank kek but anyways how was the interview process for you nonna? And considering the current contract discourse how's your own been faring so far?
dont tell anything that's under nda No. 362178
>>362151Holo has a relatively decent track record compared to other corpos? I think Mafumafu is a lying piece of shit but her termination was
valid by contract given the way she broke NDA leading up to it. Mel's issues with her manager shouldn't have happened, but they occurred early in Holo's lifespan and were apparently resolved given how long she decided to stay at Holo afterwards until her amicable departure despite NDA break. And in the Taiwan incident Holo literally cut off its entire Chinese branch, that's not "throwing them under the bus". All very different than the active and ongoing issues with other agencies.
Also
>liverstry to be less transparent when you spread your biased misinformation. Your sour grapes aren't everybody else's issue.
No. 362182
>>362151so, i say this because being a hololive talent is guaranteed success and money. being in a small corpo, you are not guaranteed that at all. in fact, i could've made more working minimum wage KEK. it's pretty depressing…
interviewing process was pretty easy, i interviewed at a different corpo prior to my current one. the previous one was a lot more stressful. the 2nd one, it seemed like i didn't really have to…try very hard, because they were sold on me from the get-go it seemed like.
the contract is quite predatory. it favors the company heavily yet has very strict demands for what talents must do. it's 50/50 profit split besides merch, which the corpo gets more of the money from that (it's not 2% though KEK)
>>362180i'm not
>>362178but the money isn't really…anything. at least yet, for me. hopefully i'll get there eventually. you're not obligated to fake-laugh at all kek. but we do have to stream a certain amount of times per week as per the contract. but the amount of leniency the corpo gets in terms of what they have to do is honestly disturbing. i wasn't able to get a lawyer to review it before i signed it, i wish i had. i decided to start vtubing because i'd always wanted to be a streamer but was nervous about being on camera, so vtubing was the easy choice.
No. 362213
>>362208you're allowed to, yeah. but you can't do anything that would even come close to vtubing. that includes doing art, voice acting, etc. anything you did in your "past life" to make money online, you cannot do while under the contract.
but working a normie tier "day job" is fine. a few of my coworkers do that. i am not as i'm still a student, but i've considered it because i'm so lacking in income. i'm lucky that i don't have too many expenses atm due to my circumstances but it's definitely not enough to live on in the US or probably any other western country, it's pretty fucked. probably because i don't lean into any type of nsfw/lewdness at all whatsoever which makes people feel less incentivized to donate. though i'll never waver on my morals for scrotes kek.
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>>362326Hard agree. That's also why Niji EN lost the feeling of a group of friends I want to see grow for me, I don't know if the people that join want to build anything or just flee with numbers. JP has a lot of fun and creative people in it for the long run and it makes me envy people that can understand Japanese well. I like watching their clips and seeing that they have a genuine unique bond with their community and with each other. The fact both Mysta and Kyo had new models ready, which takes months to prepare, right after their "graduation" irritates me so much. Especially Mysta with his month long sob party drying Luxiem fans' wallets. I guess this is the western solo mindset. I admire the vtubers that have been around for 6+ years, then again they built this industry so they were already ambitious people. On the other side I like the bond Tempus seem to have now that the two that weren't fit are out. Vanguard also signed for another year so we know they're still taking it seriously.
No. 362361
>>362150Hi Vtuber nonna! I have a few questions!
Are there specific rules as to who you may talk to?
Is there any girl in your corpo that is making bank?
Are you been helped by managers? What do they do, actually?
Have you seen people talk about you on imageboards? How did it make you feel if so?
No. 362481
>>362361hi nonna!
1. yes, i can't interact with male vtubers. honestly glad bc i don't want to be forced to interact with them lol. but i also have been forbade from interacting with some vtubers (female) that i really want to interact with bc i like their content and think they're funny. but i'm at the mercy of management, if they say no, i'm not allowed to acknowledge their existence. it sucks.
2. probably. i don't know the exact amounts my senpais make but they're surely comfortable. no one really stands out against everyone else though in terms of how much they make.
3. lol. this is funny because up until recently my managers have done fuck all. recently new management came in and are helping alot more. but management helps with things like brainstorming for ideas for streams/videos/shorts. they also pay for things like video editing, art, etc. before recently they mostly only helped when things were specifically asked for, which made me really depressed bc it sucks having to do everything yourself. obviously. if you have more specific questions lmk.
5. no they have not. no one has any idea i post on imageboards and i intend to keep it that way kek. i got exposed to 4chan at a really young age and found lolcow like, the year it was created thanks to /r9k/ iirc. i was never much of a poster, i lurked and occasionally posted when things caught my interest but i was never like, an imageboard personality of any sort. i just enjoy the board culture, probably because i started reading 4chan when i was 12 years old, kek. it definitely fried my brain but i try and look at the positives, i wouldn't have found out about so many things that have changed my life if not for 4chan. like the games i play, shows i love, friends i've met, etc. so i sort of feel like it both damaged my brain and changed my life irreversibly. i wouldn't change it for anything.
No. 362597
>>3624811. What are the general reasons you can't interact with certain female vtubers? Is it that certain indies are not permitted because they clash with brand/are too small or are certain other small corpos not allowed?
2. And would you say you'd still prefer being at a corpo over being an indie? Or rather, what would you recommend as the best use case for joining a small corpo as opposed to staying indie?
3. I don't expect you to answer this one as it may be too specific, but do you have any small corpos you know from behind the scenes to be ones absolutely nobody should apply for? I'm considering doing auditions and I'm worried I'll join one secretly on the verge of collapse kek
4. Do most of your peers have prior streaming experience, or were any allowed in as newbies?
Thanks for answering all these questions, it's been interesting to read all the responses so far.
No. 362685
>>3625971. due to certain vtubers "controversies" we aren't allowed to interact with them. they've said/done things that are questionable. but it was things i didn't even know about prior to joining, so finding out i couldn't interact with certain people was definitely a buzzkill. as for indies, i've not explicitly been told i can't interact with indies. i've not had much experience around indies to be honest.
2. i still prefer it over being indie because i made literally nothing as an indie. like, i basically made $80 every few months or so as an indie. so the money i make now is considerably better, but it's still not a livable wage, and much, much more goes into being a corpo vtuber than an indie, at least for me. i mostly was an indie vtuber as a hobby rather than trying to make a career out of it. twitch was brutal for growth and i had no idea how to market myself.
3. lol the only one i would really say is vreverie, which isn't really insider info, it's just obvious lol. you could have guessed this just from looking at how everyone except their biggest talent and one other person have not left yet. they're still planning on debuting their gen 3 which is surprising. i feel bad for nova. i don't know about other corpos though. i would definitely not recommend anyone join nijisanji though.
4. all of my peers even if they weren't vtubers/streamers prior were proficient in something: singing, art, etc. most of them were small indies/streamers but there's a few that had never actually been a vtuber/streamer before, but they were really talented and charismatic so they were given a spot. i do think having any amount of streaming experience would make you more likely to get in. it probably just depends on the corpo more than anything. plus thinking about like, what the corpo is looking for. like oftentimes they already have designs created and are looking for someone to fit into a certain design, so they want a specific type of voice or personality. so even if you don't get in you should always keep applying because they'll remember you and see you get more experienced and improve as you continue to make content, whatever it may be.
np nonna, it's fun to answer these lol. if you have any more questions lmk.
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Suisei got a new outfit and it's making me feel things.
No. 362869
>>362702Do you know what goes into an auditon video? Everytime I look one up for reference it's always
>highly edited video>their funniest clips>a slight introduction>filled with memes and popular twitter referencesIs there a standard for audition videos, or do we just go in blind and look like an idiot for 10 minutes?
No. 362904
>>362869so i know some people go above and beyond for their audition videos. i used to do like, heavily scripted audition videos where i ended up sounding super nervous and not even speaking in my normal voice tone. the audition that got me into my corpo, i was sleep deprived and sent it on a whim- did a few stupid edits in the windows Photos app but nothing that would actually qualify it as "edited" kek. i just talked about myself and started with a bang, talking about what i think makes me stand apart from other vtubers, and this ended up working in my favor. it really depends on what you're good at. are you really good at singing? video editing? art? video games? chat interaction? whatever it is, you should tell them right away, within the first 30 seconds. that's really the most important part, the rest is just fluff. i wouldn't say that filling it with memes/popular twitter references is going to get you very far, you just sound like another vtweeter indie that way. what makes you,
you? show them quickly and grab their attention. at the end my auditions i typically included at least 1-2 clips from my channel that i thought were pretty funny. cause like, say in your audition you claim to be good at bouncing off of chat. well, you want to show them that, right? so, include clips that you think show this off. definitely don't make the clips take up more than like, 1:00-1:30 though. i think audition videos are usually around 5 minutes long.
things i like to talk about in my auditions are:
1. (most important) what am i good at? what sets me apart from other vtubers?
2. why do i want to join a corpo, especially this specific corpo? what do they offer to me, and what do i offer to them? (i mentioned wanting to make female friends and wanting to see big ideas i have come to life)
3. substantiating my claims to question 1, prove to them what you mention at the start. i showed screenshots and proof of what i'm good at.
4. having a sense of humor is good, i did that too, but like- not really in a meme way. just my own humor lol, adding stuff i thought looked goofy and saying things the way i'd speak to a friend- because think about it. they want to see how you're going to be as a streamer. so, imagine you're streaming when you make the video, that's another good piece of advice i could give.
godspeed nonna! if you really want to get in i believe you can. i struggled hard trying to get into a corpo and failed many previous auditions, i tried for over a year. i was so happy to have finally made it. if it's really what you want, never give up!
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>>362137I don't listen to any JP vtubers because of language barrier but Kaisei's design caught my eye immediately, since I'm partial to anime characters who look like they enjoy scheming for money. I also like Gamma's (Holostars) design so their model artist is 2 for 2 for me. At this point in time I kinda wonder what other active JP Niji vtubers think these days when yet another new wave comes in though, now more than ever before compared to how the landscape was 2 years or so ago. Except for the top ones who already know they're firmly and securely established.
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Every year Holofest puts into perspective how big and far away they are compared to other corpos or even scattered factions. I have seen the discussion being thrown around before, do you think there is a difference between liking vtubers and liking Hololive? They are so massive, but they barely if ever interact with anyone else nowadays. Seeing "vtuber awards" in the west all past year ignoring Hololive is… interesting.
Anyway, I was just thinking about that as I wait for my soup to be done. Did anyone went to Holofest? It seems so much fun, though, the food is way too expensive for what it looks like!
No. 363130
>>361127Oh hell nah. He looks like a middle- to late-aged redditor.
>>362150May I ask a ballpark range of how many subs/followers you had before applying? It's okay if this is too dox-y!
No. 363309
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Predictable but still cute that he brought his brother to Japan with him.
No. 363974
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My oshi has knocked off yet something else from her bucketlist, she has made an ending for an anime.
Congrats Mori.
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I think it's great that Pomu went from posting nudes on 4chan to being a well-respected vtuber, to back to school now. I'm being 100% unironic when I say this. I never closely followed her but it seems like she's had some really nice growth out of a cringe and troubled past.
No. 364280
>>364147Seems like we are keeping this thread fairly drama free, so I won't bring up the past too much, but she has more info on the dox website everyone uses and a page on here from a few years ago.
Seems like she didn't do anything insanely milky, just being a white weeb with a japan aidoru dream in the 2010s. A few months ago, someone dug up her old nudes and they were getting reposted all over 4chan, and she had to go on streaming like nothing happened. Honestly I found it admirable.>>364244I'll never be a FWMC fan because the kayfabe is just too far for me but Kiara and Pomu seem nice. It's nice seeing cow good endings sometimes.
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Bunch of Ao-yumes from Holofest. Surprised there hasn't been discussion about the event around here. It was a lot of fun.
No. 364328
>>364325I also feel annoyed these days that 'graduation' could mean anything from 'I'm never touching the internet again' to 'I'm going to stream on my old persona 2 hours later.'
I guess on the flipside, though, if someone's leaving a corporation because it's
toxic or they're sick of management, what can they say in the graduation stream? 'Niji's a shithole, I'll see you guys in one week'? Can't say that'd go down well.
btw please I don't want to dredge up the niji drama again, I'm just giving an example since a lot of people seem to be jumping from the niji ship recently. Niji stans don't come for me No. 364803
>>362326It's hard to get attached to the character, but personally I like the personality, so idc. They'll do what makes sense for them financially. Though I admit that the new names take getting used to.
You can't get attached to a company. The people are fine after you look up pl stuff.
In jp, they're supposed to allow themselves to be overworked to the point of karoshi, so graduating is usually better. It's like someone switching jobs. The arguments about poaching and betraying friends are weird. It's the company that decides you can't collab with talents after going indie. Or do certain things using their model. All hardwork at the company will disappear anyways, so you gotta work hard to build your own thing.
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Axel got his first new outfit, he looks pretty nice imo. He said it took so long because he insisted on getting it done by his art mama, he was warned that she is very busy but Axel really wanted her to do it. Cute
No. 364994
New Ao cover! After holofes, I'm excited for when ReGloss their 3Ds. And Advent too. I know FWMC has mixed reactions here but they seem like they'll be good performers on stage.
>>364092Although I miss her as Pomu, it is nice to see her living her best life right now. It's nice to see her tweet fangirly stuff about her hobbies.
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>host
>ikemen
>ikevoice
>looks are yume material
>personality is yume material
>height: 173cm
Why do they do this? They can be anything they want, why did they make him short?
No. 365487
>>364328Agree to disagree in the graduation bit. I like the reassurance that they can come back. I was never too attached to the models anyways. (Except Selen — I wanted to chomp that fluff. But Doki's new model has its own charm.)
The only tough part is getting used to the new name and wondering if/when. I wanna know if Mika will come back.
Most people aren't gonna give up corpo fame after putting years into a persona. But in case they do, it's nice to know where to find them on other socials.
No. 365492
>>362326The reason jp chuubas don't graduate left and right is because in Japan, BOTH the company and the employee (including contractor, afaik) need to agree for them to be able to leave. So, once you get in, you're stuck. (Source: Joey aka TheAnimeMan did an interview with a former underground idol who worked with Kiara. Both parties entered the contract together so they need to agree to leave. And she mentioned they owned the image for 3 years after she left. As in, she was contacted by a further manager to remove a picture of herself under her old name from social media.)
Thus, JP talent looks a lot more together cz there's a lot more control. There's a general teamwork mentality, yes, but the inability of a lot of people to just leave also plays a role in the whole thing. Plus, most viewers only get clips, so we're don't get full cultural context to some things. It's like going looking for pl: you don't have to, but no one will stop you if you go looking for whenever bs JP talents got themselves into. And there's supposedly a lot, but I heard that on nyfco so take it with a grain of salt. I think one dude confessed to Sakura Dating. We get the filtered version via clips. Most clippers won't tell you about their oshi's need with another Vtuber OR their indiscretions. There's financial loss if they've been allowed to monetize it. There's attachment towards a chuuba. And there's some actual people who will brush off the issues to preserve harmony. If there's cliques or fighting, the clippers will avoid covering that. And everyone is cordial, even if there not besties. It's like a class full of children being forced to work together. Or rather, an office. Sorry if I popped your bubble. I hope you go into it knowing what's up and why.
BTW, Mirei Gundou re-debuted.
No. 365569
>>365498I thought that was Ao-kun. I also thought he was Hex Haywire for a second.
But the party about no one being perfect still stands. If you wanna send any
clips of him, I'm interested.
What made you simp and do you have something you show us?
No. 367032
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I like her new outfit
No. 367374
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>>365485>>365498Kekkk
>>367032Me too, she and Fauna are so cute together. They look like those weird girls in school who only had each other as friends.
No. 369308
>>369178Well she was replying to
>>367933who asked which vtubers work hard (not if they're pickmes) which, like them or not, isn't a lie.
Personally I used to love Ame for that reason, the way she always had creative ideas and organized the 3D collabs, how she took singing lessons and improved as an idol… but I feel like she's burnt out atm
No. 369399
>>369308Oh yeah, my bad, I thought they were replying to
>>368405 who mentioned not being pickmes.
>>369320Ntayrt. I don't vibe with Fuwamoco for many reasons that have already been debated on this thread. (And tbh, I still think they are trying to sound ESL. A ton of fans think they're Japanese or mixed Canadian-Japanese, which is 100% false. They are white.) But I will admit that they seem like they try to stream a lot and come out with new content, and they're really devoted to their schtick, as much as I dislike said schtick.
Inb4 'they just really like and respect Japanese culture' - imo you can like Japanese and speak fluent Japanese without pretending to be ESL. Everyone knows Kiara is German yet super interested in Japanese culture.
No. 369653
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yesterday surefour did an "official" vtuber stream with his model. i don't like the design…
No. 369704
>>369280Kenmochi doesn't like the idol tag? Til. You got a clip for that, anon?
And does that mean they were all parking Kenmochi?
No. 370348
>>369704There's another clip where the others do idol-like poses and he chases them down again. Unrelated but it's so funny when they look at Kaida and his model is tall but it's obvious they're all looking down at him kek
>>369473Same, I also loved when Hibari covered 嘘 (joke/lie) for last year's April Fools. Holostars' "new debuts" with the weird models were funny too. That's the type of thing that makes you remember it for a long time. Genderbend especially without any proper preparation is just unfunny.
No. 372485
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I don't think I've ever had such a hard time looking at the face of a vtuber model this expensive. I can't tell if she's supposed to look scrunched up all the time or if this it's an issue with the tracking.
(Chuuba is Vshojo's new Michi Mochievee AKA Mika Melatika)
The character design is also just kind of shit? Too much going on for my tastes.
No. 372614
>>372485The creeping rabbit bow is very hideous. I don't know why we need another revived zombie vtuber, I thought that was Kuro's thing even though Kuro honestly gives no shits about kayfabe. I highly doubt Mika will play it up for very long either, vshojo itself is the epitome of streamers that barely bother to play into their model characters.
The lore video is nothing but one big shitpost and a very transparent cry for money. Mika can't even voice act, her mic peaks multiple times from being too loud.
No. 372695
>>372657She probably has the vtuber studio settings set up incorrectly: when her irl eyes are open 100%/neutrally, the model eyes are probably only open 50% or something.
Kind of weird rookie mistake.
No. 372854
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It's so damn ugly, looks exactly like one of those webtoon male leads kek. Jesus. Is 2024 the year of bad designs or what?
No. 372881
>>372854Why are men
triggered so hard by being bishounen?
No. 372968
>>372854You're kidding me, this is real? The facial hair looks like a child drew it on with sharpie while he was sleeping, it's even worse than Fulgur's. They need to stop asking their poor mama for this shit.
I'm not against designs outside the standard bishonen box but it's not what their mama does well and I feel bad for her that she has to keep putting this shit out.
No. 372998
>>372854KEK the pinhead, ugly man psyop at it again
>sekiro wannabe>not a single scarFag
No. 373033
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>>372854dollar store vesper and an asian stereotype…kindred and comfydants really going through it rn
No. 373053
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>>373033Honestly? Dollar store Shinri. Nijimen want to be Holo's quality male hags so bad
No. 373218
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>>373065Some of them have done great stuff with the connected lore, and I think it's an interesting project that lends a sense of unity as they contribute to it. They've allowed them to work more with it ever since Armis debuted, too, with Shinri being allowed to delve into worldbuilding more.
Also I used to be such a hater on Shinri'a art but getting a shirt made such a difference for him kek no wonder he wanted it so badly. I want to see him get his VN design as an official outfit though, he got the best design out of thay affair.
No. 374644
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The one good Phase design/voice duo IMO (ayase yuu from their newish JP debuts)
No. 375068
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I'm a vtuber and I'm lucky to have 15-30 CCV these days. Yet I can't help but feel like if I had started 2 or 3 years earlier, I'd be doing so much better. Seems like a few years ago even random no-name vtubers would debut to 100+ CCV. Good luck with that now…
>>372316Buy some cheap Skebs maybe? You can get nice artwork for like $5-15 USD in some cases. It's useful to promote yourself with!
>>374644Honestly I like Pico Gram's design, but I'm a sucker for cute things. It kind of reminds me of vocaloid designs from the 2000s. But I don't understand a lick of japanese so I won't be watching.
No. 375905
>>357639Looks like she utilized the deeper voice again a few times in her cover of Show!
Not my favorite cover overall, but the MV is really cool.
No. 376133
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KEK
No. 376142
>>376139AYRT honestly it would have benefitted him to get something more normal like this earlier although I wasn't as big a hater of his 2nd outfit as some were.
It does remind me comically of Rosemi's 3rd outfit which also had scary long legs. Would attach picrel but I can't find one kek scrubbed
No. 376413
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He really works so hard to make the ryona worth it.
No. 376508
>>376496most of any vtubers demographic are male (unless the vtuber is an actual male). this is just a reality of the hobby.
Bao mainly got popular due to coombaiting so thats what shes mainly gonna pander to sorry to say
No. 376920
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>>376496it does seem like Bao is mostly picrel from what I have seen but her squeeing in that video is so relatable that it made me love her
No. 377057
File: 1715025462663.webp (Spoiler Image,67.23 KB, 1000x577, Bao_2.0__Princess__Reference_S…)
>>376496>female eunuch>normal female>" I can’t watch something with an ugly moe face and balloon tits"if i recall correctly bao panders heavily to her coomer audience so much so she made a inflation model for a "joke".
No. 380548
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Ao-kun is friends with Nijisanji's Meloco? Does anybody here know more about this?
https://x.com/MelocoKyoran/status/1788539932094631955 No. 380973
File: 1715583379547.jpg (1.54 MB, 2712x4320, 1847188491.jpg)
Sex. Between this, Suisei's mosy recent outfit, and Ao-kun's general existence, I gotta say… Blue women know how to catch my eye. Hope Kronii enjoys this one too since I know her PL prefers androgyny.
Now that they've all gotten their new outfits, my ranking for them is Kronii>Bae>>>Mumei=Fauna.
No. 383352
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His bday illustration is him getting sexily electrocuted by a toaster in the bathtub. He and senzaki mama truly know whats what
No. 383866
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>>383731Iirc his fans are corruption beasts or something so he might be the most fucked up one leading corruption despite not having it himself lol
No. 384005
File: 1716137217559.jpg (143.9 KB, 1500x844, jCVkBtX.jpg)
Aster's new outfit. This would be such a good female design with no coomer elements. He also dropped an animation that's surprisingly very well made and I guess there will be more.
>>383872He's my favourite Star.
>I wonder if Stars will ever properly take offEvery time they debut a new gen (counting VG as a gen) I think this is it, they will retain their numbers this time but it never happens. They make good money (probably) but the peak time to join EN corpos has passed. Even Luxiem gets 1k ccv nowadays meanwhile Niji's popular male JPs get at least 20k ccv into the morning hours JP time. Now that the world isn't shut in, it's hard to get a live audience that can watch you in very different time zones compared to JP's one timezone (though they still watch their anime men play lol for the seventh time that week at 3am - I don't know what gives them the dedication). I would still like to see a new debut that can bring back some excitement and have a large audience
No. 384187
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>>384005Crazy how much this guy rubs people the wrong way while also being insanely boring
Also mogged by maid Aza
No. 384876
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Seeing Twisty's design, I 100% believe now the rumours that Grimmi graduated to join Niji and then reneged on that when hell broke loose. Will be interesting to see the quality level of these new debuts after the scramble to recast at least one.
Gonna enjoy Doppio and Vanta's commentary regardless. They're cute together.
No. 384934
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>>384876NijiEN have found themselves another gem
No. 384983
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>>384943Not that fat I guess but… yikes
No. 384999
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>>384983He looks like a young Yanderedev kek, tragic.
No. 385030
>>384983Men that have mainstream movies posters on their walls
trigger a flight or fight response in me.
No. 385126
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>>385053Kunai always sounds really great when she gets shilled to me but she's so painfully boring in actual streams.
No. 386290
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>>384876Cool. Why do lolicons spam those Dorontabi "ToT" memes if they don't want people to think that they're pedophiles? Considering what that guy has posted
>>>/ot/1783813 No. 386564
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>>386290I skimmed through their debuts and didn't even notice this. JP and 4channers might not care but referring to an actual pedophile is gonna end your career in EN in a week once a twitter user picks it up. I guess she's going for Holo's fanbase more for some reason.
Niji's latest recruits are so uninspired tbh. Ever since they added the "must have streaming experience" thing because Yugo waited till debut day to learn, most people who specialize in other areas don't seem to apply. Or the recruiters don't pay attention to them. As boring as some of them became after years of streaming, the first few waves especially Luxiem benefited greatly from being new to the scene, they brought along ideas and topics most vtubers don't bother about. For at least a year everyone's personalities were showcased better in streams. Now Kunai hasn't streamed in weeks without any explanation and her other two teammates don't really have any goals or ideas to bring to life. Krisis have some fun factor with "the boys" vibe in collabs but their individual streams are also boring with uninspired jokes and topics and few funny or interesting stories. The newest debuts have literally nothing of interest. The maid expressed the wish to become a better singer and I like that she put herself out there and hope she continues bringing some inspiration to Niji. I don't know if it's just me who's bored, but I just don't see a reason to stay in the newer waves' streams. It was different even when the school kids came around, they weren't as groundbreaking as Luxnoc in terms of impact but all of them had some kind of charm that would make you want to keep watching the stream. Do NijiJP fans feel the same for JP?
No. 386832
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3D ANNOUNCED FOR VG!! I can't wait, I'm so excited!
No. 386846
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This was the hardest I'd laughed in ages holy shit… Sasuga clown you were truly built for ryona
No. 388413
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Tying him down to a table and bisecting him. And then making him strip down to do exercise reps. Kino.
No. 388418
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>>388413picrel was hilarious kek. The entire live was an absolute blast from start to finish, I didn't even realize that an hour had passed.
No. 388814
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NGL sort of resentful towards the nijidiscourse for ruining the activity in this thread.
Marginally related– now that it's not a "hot topic" and the other thread is reaching thread limit, is it fine to bring up whatever as long as it's vtuber related in this thread again?
No. 390722
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Flayon's model is super cute in 3d. When he smiles his eyes close and it looks adorable. I can forget that the man behind has a tall and wide build and pretend he's a twink.
>adorable mascot with funny facial expressions
>gets on his knees and talks to it like a pet
>mecha anime cutscene
>multiple singing sections
>bridal carries Bettel in and makes him suffer (lol)
>ends with punching his audience
Nice stream overall
No. 390747
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>>390722He's so cute. Honestly I think his design looks better in 3D than it did in 2D? Also gonna come clean used to be a hater but I've been sold on him in recent months. Dude is living his own way and I gotta respect it, besides I think he's one of the StarsEN boys who most plays up sells the appeal of his character.
Seeing him manhandle Bettel in both of their 3D streams has been so kino.
Seeing Temma mog him in a physical competition was scary though kek I had no idea the knight was a gymbro.
No. 390831
File: 1717955964355.gif (10.97 MB, 787x541, flay1.gif)
>>390722His little prance during Aishite was really cute. also him carrying Bettel like a princess was funny as fuck kek
No. 391023
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Holy fucking kino, I haven't listened to Hakka's singing and I'm blown away by his range in this live. He always had the raw potential for this and it's incredible to see him closing in on it.
I know their access to resources is far more limited but I wonder if we'll get to see performances on the level of Astel and Izuru's in time from this branch. Octavio's definitely got the potential to provide it too.
Shame I don't think HoloEN overall really has talents close to being all rounders in entertainment/gaming/music/dancing the same way JP does though.
No. 391025
File: 1717993219440.jpg (95.15 KB, 1024x576, 1717991891666914m.jpg)
Wtf why is his siggy so cute
No. 391034
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Were Kiara's jiggle physics always this horrendous? Her boobs have left all pretense of being flesh in this outfit, it's not even jellolike. They look like half filled sacks of water.
No. 391047
>>391023Didn't Holo announce they had a building in US? Does that mean they have a 3d studio too or is that too expensive
>>390831Cute. I agree with
>>390747 that he plays the charms of his model well
No. 391067
>>391047Yeah they opened a US base of operations but that was more for the sake of facilitating business deals for things such as merch, I don't think there's a 3D studio there.
Wouldn't help a lot of the members anyways… Hakka and Octavio for exmaple both have better ease of access to JP than US. Kinda fucked that it's like that for Hakka considering Japan is on a other continent but that's America for you kek
No. 391102
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Looking for vtubers that just look smug(namefagging)
No. 391223
>>391034Nope.
Her past three outfits were all drawn by different artists and her original rigger 'Keffiy' (one of the best) also stopped rigging her outfits. She doesn't even know who did her latest rigging and its clearly someone inexperienced. The breasts are not even connected to the armpits.
No. 391231
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>>391223They also move like they're fused together it's so uncanny. This isn't even a matter of it being coomery, I can appreciate the skill that goes into rigging some hornyass models even if I don't like it, but this? It just looks bad.
Nothing more sobering than seeing moids slobber over this in hordes, though. Saw some guys calling dissenters jealous hags and had to laugh because the only breasts that move as floppily as hers IRL are breasts that have deflated from severe weight loss or age.
It's shame because the outfit is honestly cute from the waist up (might be my favorite Kiara hair after her New Year's twintails).
No. 391871
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What is this model base(namefagging)
No. 392772
>>356915Marikyuun is the best! Just an artist with comfy drawing streams, I imagine her fanbase has a 50/50 split if not majority female. There’s also @lucas_vtuber on Twitter who is some digital fashion model(?) who also makes music, and @OnstaMonsta (who I found via @Shindags on Twitter) who I haven’t watched yet but I doubt panders to the weirdo coomer males considering the fact they’re black.
I’d suggest Rin Penrose for “prince-ly female VTers” if Idol wasn’t an Israeli corporation orz..(glad this thread made me aware)
No. 393122
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>>389402I like this song too anon, super catchy, and the little dance they do during the chorus is so cute!
>>388814Personally I'm happy to talk about vtubers in any capacity, whether it's gushing over our favorites, or complaining about other non-Niji things (I assume the Selen thing has been beaten to death and seems like Dokibird herself is ready to move on.)
I'm a vtuber myself who's been doing it for a few months, and pretty happy with my growth. If any anons need question answered or advice, I'll try to answer. It's nice supporting other anons in their journeys.
No. 393519
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>>393413People are saying it's supposed to be Euros. The names have been leaked. Was hoping for a non-posh named Brit but whatever
No. 393561
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>>393523A big vtuber named Soyapoya recently graduated, and she apparently can play violin. She might be the violinist.
No. 393585
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>>393561Their actual models look a lot more tolerable, thank god. Anyway I hope that soyapoya person isn't the doll because after going through her twitter it seems she's friends with that one tranny who pretends to be a little girl. hopefully none of that tripe carries over to her hololive persona too much but I'm already doubtful.
No. 393588
>>393561Ehhh not crazy about any of these aside from green girl but I'll reserve my opinion for after i see them in their artist's styles since that can make a big difference.
>>393585Lily hopkins is a troon? Did not know that kek
No. 393595
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>>393561This is such a downgrade from Yuniiho's original design… She looks like hoyoslop now
No. 393693
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Thoughts?
Green is really cute, I like her wind up hair bow.
Middle two aren't for me. Not a fan of loli and the pink cat does look like hoyoverse.
The red one is actually pretty cute imo. I feel like there's not that many red vtubers, surprisingly.
No. 393712
>>393693They look like pokemons in a bad way
>>393643I don't mind ESLs as an esl who can't watch at burger hours but they better be actual English speakers lol no more Melokos
No. 393740
>>393693Mediocre designs.
I am italian and I dislike Yuniiho's voice and personality, what makes it worse is she was/is Merryweather girlfriend. (Not because she has a bf but because it's Merryfuckingweather)
No. 393748
>>393746cough cough Shiori
This is why I wish they would select the girls before making the designs. I know they have some input on their designs, but it's just too awkward watching a social awkward NEET streamer trying to force themselves to match their design by acting tomboyish/gothic/whatever.
No. 393797
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https://x.com/montyvocalsAllegedly ERB. Would be the first married HoloEN that we know of if true.
No. 394144
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Yea I'm oshi-ing I don't care if she ends up being cringe. That fucking "stop" from Ernoul made me holler kekkk unicorns are so pathetic.
No. 394148
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>>394144samefag, here's one more that's equally as funny. I'd love to screenshot it all but there's too much seething kek.
No. 394161
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>>394144>>394148I decided to oshi after she responded to mpreg art of Jurard. Can't fake it that's queen shit.
No. 394352
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Well damn, maybe I gotta support her, too. There's no way she's unaware of the backlash, right?
No. 394391
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Anyone watching the debuts tonight??
No. 394403
File: 1719027212578.png (278.49 KB, 425x524, erb.png)
>Sing with ALL of Holo
SHOTS FIRED… WTF THIS WHOLE PAGE… I kneel.
No. 394404
File: 1719027312215.jpeg (419.42 KB, 1470x811, IMG_0952.jpeg)
This is so bold kek, I gotta hand it to her. I think she actually has talent in spades to combat any debuffs that come from this too.
No. 394406
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Erb is on an anti-4chan crusade. She is the girls' girl streamer.
No. 394409
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Thoughts? She had a cool opening animation, but so far, she's not for me. These days, I feel like corpo vtubers with these 'quirky' designs are doomed to put up a 'haha I'm so random and crazy eks dee' personality for a few months before dropping it. Wondering somewhat why she was selected, does she have cracked art skills?
No. 394412
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>>394409Looked into it, she's @hampwn on twitter, an artist/streamer. I'm thinking she's probably the personality hire since her art is cute but not a "we have to have her" sort of deal. Picrel is an example of her art.
No. 394458
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I love my oshi so fucking much. I hope ERB goes super far, she deserves it.
No. 394498
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Does anyone have any vocal training and can comment on ERB's singing?
I'm not trained at all but I thought it sounded really good, like professional-level. I'd like to hear her with slightly less growliness and vocal flourishes, but that might just be me.
But I don't really understand why a lot of 4chan acts like Gura is an amazing, top-tier singer? Gura's singing is cute and charming, but when I heard ERB's singing I was like, 'Wow, I could hear this voice being on the radio or Broadway.' Never got the same feeling from Gura.
Curious if anyone can say more about ERB and the rest of Hololive's singing without being blinded by muh male collaber ERB/muh cunny waifu Gura.
No. 394515
>>394498I think there are a lot of good singers in Holo, but ERB is the first EN girl where I'm immediately swelt away by not only the quality of her singing but by her individual sound, if that makes sense? Nerissa and Irys are good but I don't necessarily find their singing as gripping to listen to. Gura is also good but IDK she's been really overhyped, I can see her specific sound being popular with people who are into moeshit though.
ERB being able to jump from cute to tender to classically powerful is insane though. I love her sm. Wish she'd release her schedule kek.
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>>394605So far, my impression: She sounds a lot like Kiara, and the model is very cute. She seems talented, is doing a lot of creative segments in her debut, and seems like a good violinist.
Even so, I can't shake the feeling that she's a bit too 'safe' for me. Everything she says is very sanitized and mild, unlike Elizabeth who came out the gates swinging.
Maybe she'll show a little more of her personality a few weeks into debut. For now, I think she's a bit too plain for me, despite seeming very intelligent and talented. But I can imagine some anons here will enjoy her.
No. 394616
>>394614She's hard to stay engaged in. I think her appeal will largely be drawing anime girl pinups and CGDCT, neither of which appeal to me unfortunately.
Wasm't crazy about Gigi but overall I think yesterday's duo was far stronger as entertainers.
The abuse of facezooming reminds me of Ruze. Neither positive or megative as a statement, just not something I see a ton.
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>>394614And here's my overall schizo predictions that no one asked for:
>Elizabeth: I think she will lead the generation in subs, she will probably appeal to normies because of karaoke streams and the meme value of her bri'ish accent. 4chan will seethe over her for years to come. >Gigi: Gives me Bae vibes. She will try to keep up the lol-so-random act for a while and be the runt of the generation, but eventually drop it and show a slightly more authentic personality. Might be the 'creatividad' of the generation and make unique collabs. >Cecilia: If Elizabeth doesn't lead the generation in subs I think Cecilia will. Violin karaokes will be unique and draw people in. Plus, she will probably keep up a cute pure image, like Fauna, and draw in a solid fanbase of both unicorns and normal people who like cute girls. >Raora: I feel like her and Gigi will be the runts. Unfortunately the accent will be hard to overcome for most. But she will certainly produce a lot of great hololive fanart. If she's continuing to work as an artist outside of this I could see it being an Ina or Sana situation, where she streams once or twice a week as a side hobby to her main work, and it's often an art stream. No. 394619
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Final opinion on debuts:
I got really bored with the debuts after Elizabeth. Will give Elizabeth a good try and hope she's entertaining as a streamer since, as much as I think she's a good singer, I'm not really that into karaoke. Could see Gigi becoming someone I watch regularly, I agree that she seems capable of growing into the gen's la creatividad.
>>394617Eh, IDK about Cecilia. The main reason Fauna has such a massive and consistent CCV is that she's actually an entertaining streamer and was the only one good at gaming until Biboo arrived.
No. 394620
>>394619I really hope ERB will put effort into and grow comfortable with streaming. Afaik, she doesn't have any streaming experience?
Also curious if some tubers will distance themselves from ERB, to retain their 4chan unicorn fanbase. For example, I can imagine ERB's style won't mesh well with FWMC, and there will probably be a unicorn meltdown if they collab. Ofc, these days a lot of holos stick mainly to their own gen and rarely venture outside of it.
Raora's voice grew on me by the end of the stream, either that or she was talking more naturally. I could see myself putting on one of her art streams in the background. She does seem cheerful and energetic. But I can't see myself getting super attached to her.
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My wife… it's been too long (24 hours)
No. 394628
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I like all of them, just filtered a bit by Gigi's lolifagging but I love her creativity so I think I can get over it. I actually really like Raora's voice and accent, it's a huge plus for me. They were all so prepared for their debuts, how much effort they put into their skills and streaming shows.
Not trying to start a fight but as a ex nijifag, a huge one, these debuts really put the nail in the coffin for Niji for me. The quality difference between the latest debuts is huge. These women pulled through with a lot of unique ideas because they're skilled and willing to improve. Meanwhile I can't remember anything from Niji's latest debuts. Again not trying to start a fight but I'm really impressed by these debuts, it's like I remembered what I liked about vtubers. I'm really happy at their streaming hours as a eurofag.
No. 394643
>>394628Lol you're fine nonna, nobody really shills Niji that I've seen here. And yeah, I made the shift from Niji to Holo about a year back because Holo happened to give me my first oshi, and I agree that "quality over quantity" is extremely palpable.
Who did you watch in Niji? Might be able to provide some recs.
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>>394643I had phases of watching many of them but I used to watch Fulgur religiously. Both because he streams at EU friendly hours and because he's chill and doesn't overdo any of his bits. Also used to watch Maririn and Ike for the same reasons. (Don't know if Maririn counts as chill but I mean her energy levels are consistent throughout the stream) I fell out of watching niji/vtubers consistently months ago, maybe I'll have different preferences this time so I'm not averse to different recs as long as they don't scream or overplay bad jokes all the time.
No. 394668
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Anyone here feel like they've outgrown vtubers aside from their oshi? I've watched the new debuts from both hololive, stars and niji but I don't feel anything. I think a lot of the glamor has worn off and coexisting in a hobby made predominantly of the worst moids imaginable is starting to get under my skin. Fan culture, discourse, and herd mentality is impossible to ignore, especially if the vtuber encourages it or turns a boind eye. Maybe I'll finally become a normie.
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>>394668>Anyone here feel like they've outgrown vtubers aside from their oshi? kinda
especially after i got a chance to work with some of them and found out they're completely different behind the scenes although i do enjoy coming back and watching them after a while but i dont keep up on the regular like i used to plus the fandom gets worse and worse by the minute after vtfags were accepted generally and with the western fandom standards infiltrating the market with ethots and minecraft eboys the whole novelty has been worn off after seeing the reality. i just watch them if i like the game or the topic but not anymore because of them
No. 394685
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>>394680vt and its consequences have been a disaster for western vtubing.
No. 394779
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Singing Unlucky as one of her first songs… I love my filtering queen, she's smart for not playing around and properly laying out what to expect from the get go.
No. 394798
>>394779I usually dislike karaoke, but she’s an amazing performer, so fun.
She’s the musical comedy type rather than your usual singer, I’m loving this. Way to go Queen!
No. 394803
>>394680Are you the
nonny who mentioned working with vtubers before ITT? I want to hear the tea so badly kek. After reading that massive Luca Kaneshiro doc I totally believe you.
No. 394815
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She set /vt/ on fire and it’s so fun to watch.
I didn’t think I would care for anyone in this gen, but she’s now my oshi. She makes me so happy…
No. 394836
>>394815She's the Queen but vtubing is a moids game. Maybe she can get a female audience but I don't think she's gonna be able to get the sub count she deserves.
I really really hope she doesn't lean into the mommy/dom thing like Kronii does
No. 394842
>>394836But I wonder if 4chan unicorns are a small but loud minority. Ofc they spend 24/7 seething about every single tweet, but I would think there's a pretty significant population of casual weebs who don't even think about male collabs, children and teens with internet access who like the pretty anime lady singing, 4channers who aren't unicorns but just keep it to themselves, and so on.
I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of those 'unicorns' don't even watch or care about vtubers that much, they just love stirring up drama with bait posts.
I have high hopes for her, her sub count is great right now. I just hope she remains consistent and creates a lot of other content when she's not singing (I assume she can't do a karaoke stream every single day, for voice reasons.)
I think one of the only real draw of having a unicorn fanbase is that they probably donate crazy amounts.
No. 394846
>>394842Like you can see with Holostars who the directly targeted women get a fraction of the subs that Hololive get that we're not that big an audience.
Even then if I was to show some of my non-weeb or casual weeb friends ERB's streams they'd be immediately turned off by her big boobs and jiggle physics. There's only so much "I can explain she only does it for X, she's actually really cool". It's a massive turnoff to get new women viewers onboard.
I'll probably sub just because I like her and she's the first vtuber I like in my timezone but we're the minority in the fandom.
No. 394847
>>394846Tbh, I wonder if Holostars was just poorly timed or unlucky somehow. I think (at least initially) the gold standard for EN male vtubers was Nijisanji EN. Vox has nearly double the subs (~1.3 mil) of who was the top female talent, Selen (~700k.) They have a handful of male EN talents above or nearing 1 mil.
Ofc, that's not Gawr Gura level (4 mil+), but I think some of those super-high 2 mil+ sub female vtubers just struck lightning in a bottle by debuting during covid when people were stuck at home and the market was tiny, and imo 1 mil subs for a vtuber is nothing to sneeze at.
Tl;dr I think it's possible for male vtubers to have a prolific simping female audience who donates a lot, like Luxiem. But I think things will overall be harder post-covid for both male and female EN streamers. Niji repeatedly shoots themselves in the foot, and Holo EN boys just never took off for some reason.
I don't closely follow any male vtubers so I wonder if anyone else has any input as to why Holo EN boys didn't capture the same growth as Nijisanji EN boys.
Sorry for writing an essay, I just like vtubers…
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>>394847Simply put, not only was it lightning in a bottle (being the first corporate male english vtubers) during the pandemic but also because nijisanji was already known in the vtuber sphere as appealing more towards women given that they have more marketed male vtubers.
But its also in part to
>>394846I've noticed that in the western world, women, even casually weeby ones, aren't interested in vtubers in general (which may in part have to do with the absolute state of vtubing culture in the west being associated with incels and twitch ethots). Nijisanji en, while niche in the western world, is overwhelmingly popular in english speaking parts of east and southeast asia due to vtubers and otaku culutre being somewhat more mainstream and that several members of Luxiem have convenient timezones for those parts of the world.
I also like writing essays on vtubers
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Dokibird’s new model. I think it’s cute!
No. 394868
>>394847I've seen many Nijiboy fans explicitly state they won't watch the Holostars because they have something against the culture at Holo overall. When elaborated upon they usually paint a picture of Holo being for racist, transphobic, misogynistic, etc whatever fans and for some reason extend that to the stars which is bizarre IMO. Only the dregs are like that and you have to be spending time on scum sites to think it's the majority, which is a hypocritical mask-off.
On a less tribalistic note, I think the social division between the branches also contributes. People like that anybody collabing with anybody is fair game in Niji. I can see the appeal, but it's not for me. My ideal is that they mistly do their own things ut the occassional collab or twitter interaction isn't as stigmatized as it is now.
At the end of the day I want the girls to be able to do whatever they want. I'm about 50/50 on viewtime between the girls and boys of Holo but I couldn't care less when the men get ridiculed and harrassed because men aren't people to me. It's just a shame it takes something away from female viewers when that happens. Unicorns are so retarded seething over the Stars not being a brotuber branch as if it ever made financial sense that everything including a male branch should be for them.
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>>395023I think a lot of male vtubers unironically have autism (no surprise there.) A lot of them have no sense of boundary. Some of the things I've experienced are:
>DMing you asking to collab without any effort to get to know you>Having 50 followers, then asking people with 5k+ followers to collab with them, and throwing tantrums when they're ignored or rejected 'REEEE these asshole big vtubers just care about numbers' >Or even worse, being undebuted with 0 followers, or having horrible concepts that will damage the brand of others (e.g. being a furry vtuber), and still expecting others to give them the time of day>Asking you to collab while you're livestreaming, so you have to either ignore their message or politely reject them in front of your live audience>Regularly tweeting or talking about content most people won't enjoy, like 'I want seggs!11! Gimme smoochy! Want booba!' and then throwing fits when people unfollow them over said contentI don't mind if fellow streamers, male or female, reach out to me and make a legitimate effort to get to know me. I have met some cool people who truly just want to support each other. But from my experience, most male vtubers who reach out to me want to flirt with me, and/or want to use me to clout chase because I have 10-100x as many followers as them. I don't really have this experience with fellow female vtubers. Female vtubers understand concepts like introducing yourself to someone before asking for things, and understanding that it'll look like clout chasing if your 1 ccv self spam DMs someone with 100 ccv.
I'm very selective with who I interact with in the vtuber sphere for these reasons.
Luckily this is mainly 0-2 ccv males, hopefully bigger male vtubers are more respectful.
No. 395279
>>395254Same. No hate against Advent, but they are quite forgettable lol.
Also, NijisanjiEN cancelled the live Concerts in L.A
No. 395284
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Chronoir selling more than either of the native branches for the region is bleak
No. 395354
>>395254Yeah, is it just me, or do all the girls in Advent look the same or have a similar aesthetic? Besides FWMC. It's not even in a way where "Oh, same unit, so similar" but that in a lineup I cannot really pick them out. I don't know if I'm even explaining myself right, but I hope you know what I mean. Biboo stands out, too, but in a way that she just annoys me to no end.
In comparison, The designs of justice stick out, you get a good read on their personalities, and none of them have irritated me yet. Mostly I just really like ERB though, but I'm still having a difficult time imagining what her streams will be like based on this week alone.
No. 395364
>>395360We're not rehashing this.
>>395354I kinda felt like this but they've actually grown on me a lot. They're more cohesive I guess than a usual gen's designs? Not really a fan of Justice in comparison bc their designs feel a lot more… IDK how to describe it, Genshin-adjacent?
Myth and Promise still have designs that mog the two gens that came after them though IMO
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I agree about not being in love with Advent. I feel like the main things fans constantly talk about, at least male fans, is:
>Picrel of Shiori, which was reposted everywhere before she even debuted
>Talk about Rissa and her sisters and pregnancy
>Unicorn friendly doggo uwu twins and the degeneracy that brings
>Memey gamer
And maybe it's not fair to judge them based on the male fans' degeneracy. But at least with Mori, people talk about her rap career, love it or hate it. With Ame, people talk about weird innovative streams (or how she used to do them.) The only super novel thing about Advent imo is having a set of twins.
Having a deep voiced singer, an artist, and a violinist is fairly novel, imo. The only other professional level artist in Holo EN is probably Ina, right?
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>>395364nta, I like FWMC's designs although Fuwawa's boob cravat thing is retarded. a shame that they're played by those two, twin dog vtubers that are actually girl's girls would've been really cute.
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>>395354For me, it's the opposite. I guess it's mostly due to the timing, but I don't feel particularly hyped. Still, it's only been a few days since their debuts, but I think they can improve with the right guidance.
No. 395384
>>395380Honestly a sister gaming channel (or even bro/sis or bro/bro) that just focused on pure gaming and banter, no lewd art, no uwu or incest stuff would be super cute.
I know some femanons here like them and everyone has their own taste. But for me, I think they realize one of their main appeals is
incest or male fans wanting a threesome and they seem to lean heavily into it in how they promote themselves.
Any female on the internet will be sexualized to hell and back, but the streamer can either lean into it or away from it.
No. 395385
>>395369>The only other professional level artist in Holo EN is probably Ina, right?If you're speaking about drawing and stuff, you're right. Sana too if you count people have graduated.
>>395384I agree. I don't think it would get popular though, I think FWMC's acting retarded weebs is what generates view, if they were just normal twins they would probably be Shiori level of forgetfulness.
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>>395460They were for a while before he went to Japan, I hope they keep it up now that he's back. I like it best when they zatsu together though, rather than playing games lol. It's fun hearing a new side of Bettel.
Did any other nonnas watch his NoPixel stream? I just finished the VOD and it really does showcaee his skill at improv, my ryona jester can't be this cute. I'm going to take bites out of him.
No. 395466
So I know that Holo talents usually can't return to PL activity until 6 mths post-debut, but what's the usual protocol for the artists when it comes to their illustration work? Yuniiho is mama to several vtubers, so I wonder if her kids all have to wait at least 6 months to get any new outfits? Zentreya is debuting a new outfit from her soon and I'm assuming she won't be able to comment on it, either, given how things have typically gone. She'll also be a lot busier so I assume it'll be harder to get new outfits from her even once the ban lifts.
I don't think any of this is bad, per say, it's just interesting to puzzle out the protocol.
>>395465Not to mention Luca, kek:
https://archive.org/details/my-experience-with-java-luca-kaneshiro3/5ths of a whole gen having notable allegations against them, and then a 4th member being way more openly menhera than Selen ever was prior to her attempt… Bad look. I feel bad for Shu.
No. 395476
>>395471Bettel's always been one of the more paranoid members when it comes to not compromising his position at Holo so I think most of the current concerns floating around are unfounded.
The naming of the podcast was in poor taste but I'm a professional Lando hater so I'll chalk it up to him trying to get crumbs off of his friends popularity.
No. 395497
>>395455I was one. I was a clip watcher and after the bit with the silence when reacting to the boys, I kinda feel off. They're still cute, but I noticed that a lot of comments were missing and what want deleted were comments about "protecting our smile". Then reacting or not reacting to the boys in a planned video could be just a bit that didn't have. Deleting comments, imo, was leaving a bit hard into the pandering. It also made existing conversations hard to follow.
I think that was the point where I used to admit to myself that I wasn't the target audience.
Sibling moments are still cute, but the fandom they're cultivating isn't really for me, so I have no motivation to watch full streams.
No. 395514
>>395284I really hate how they even tried to use Chronoir for this, they're popular but not outside of Japan, plus all the drama on the EN side just ruined the company's reputation in the west way too much. The management essentially almost set up two of their most popular talents for failure instead of simply providing them more opportunities in Japan or at least going with a less risky approach (either have them be extra guests or perform in a smaller venue overseas). I noticed it also didn't get promoted very much, which makes me wonder if they were sort of expecting that they might have to cancel it from the start.
At least cancelling the concert is less crushing for the talents compared to having to perform in an empty venue when they've filled a 10k+ venue easily before (for their concert in Japan).
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Raora and Liz are still in that navigating stage of their friendship but they still get along pretty well! Liz's chav asmr made me lol. nice zatsu.
No. 395570
>>395514I feel really bad for the fans I've seen who booked hotels and flights just for this. Even saw a JP Lucub who was already in the US by the time the news dropped.
I have no idea what they were thinking calling things off so late. It's like they believed their own fans' delusions of hundreds of last minute ticket buyers when that was so obviously not a realistic expectation to everybody else watching.
No. 395589
>pay for concert tickets (refunded)>pay for entrance ticket to the expo>pay for plane tickets>pay for hotel room>take time off workI feel bad for the fans, I can't understand why they wouldn't just do it anyway. At this point everything must have been prepared and paid for, so they're losing more than if they just went through with it, no? I'm no expert on these things so a nonna could correct me.
>>395284Also is 4K a normal amount of seats to sell for vtubers in the US? I never pay attention to concerts. This might be a case of geographically smaller countries not understanding that 99% of their US fanbase can't move across the country for a few hours to attend a concert. Maybe these numbers would be normal in Tokyo for a similarly popular group of vtubers/idols but the west is different especially the US.
No. 395611
>>395573Always has been.
>>395589If you're hololive, it's feasible. Last year's concert in the same city sold out at 6000 tickets. But it makes sense for them since they're an idol company and even the least musically inclined of the talents all had at least 1 orisong at the time of the concert.
No idea what Niji was thinking when the EN branch isn't amywhere near as musically inclined or invested in as the stand-out JP members that bring in ticket purchases.
No. 395638
>>395618Yeah, Justice feels closer to another "supertalent" gen out the gate than the past two even if I personally love them still.
I'm really proud of how far Promise has come from its early Council days though. Definitely one of my favorite genwide growth journeys in Holo and it was heartwarming to see Promise become official.
No. 395644
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I'm so in love with her new design. The OG model was cute but I've always felt that a more tomboyish look suits her best. And this is far more to my personal tastes than Selen was.
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>>395644I’m in the same boat, her new design is so charming! The color palette is cohesive and there’s just enough detail so it doesn’t feel too busy. And I feel like you don’t often see female vtuber designs with pants lmao
No. 395654
>>395648Yes, it's such a simple but fresh feeling design!
Her sentiment about wanting to make her mama proud after not getting many merchandising/general sponsorship opportunities as Selen was sweet too. Even if it's just a justification for returning to the same artist like everybody expected, it's a nice angle to thing of things from.
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Thoughts on her? I actually liked her in Bettel's NoPixel stream and she seemed like a decent conversationalist who doesn't rely on lewdbaiting when I checked clips/shorts of her on youtube. Is she pretty nonna friendly?
No. 395766
>>395730I watched some clips a while ago. She mentioned that she could get a lot more money if she did the whole "no men" thing, but she does that to cull the unicorns. I think she said that to Merryweather.
She sounds nice and genuine, though I haven't seen a lot. I like what I've seen though. I don't think I've ever seen attempts at lewdtubing from her.
No. 395767
It's funny that the mod of the new Holostars discussion site that replaced NYFCO never seems to remove transphobic comments even though she's so quick to get at other negative comments. There's no way they're not getting reported, either, with how many downvotes they get.
>>395766Nice. I'm not really a twitch watcher but I'll try to catch her when I can!
No. 395775
>>395769elysium.baby
Don't go ruining a good thing and baiting anti-troon shit evwh though
No. 395816
>>395767>never seems to remove transphobic commentsbased
TERF webmaster
No. 395817
>>395455I used to really like FWMC on debut but eventually their schizo fans turned me away with the constant crying about males, "they protected our smiles bau bau!!" cringe, and the crazy crying in SC's about them wanting to branch out to JP.
I watch every once in a while for the niche stream games like Touhou or the Karaoke's but at this point i've dropped them for Shiori and Bijou. (currently gravitating towards all of Justice, especially Elizabeth)
No. 395844
>>394620>Also curious if some tubers will distance themselves from ERB, to retain their 4chan unicorn fanbase.Gura, the queen of EN unicorns, has collabed with Ollie. Even Bae called in to Magni's bday stream during a collab with Fauna.
The girls aren't petty like /vt/ would want to believe they were.
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>>395936oh shit I'm sorry anon kek, I didn't catch that when I was reading your post. I thought you were some sort of refugee like
>>395360. my bad
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Not sure if this will be an unpopular opinion amongst here, but I'm surprised at how much I'm enjoying Raora so far. I was actually commenting negatively on her debut here a few days ago, kek. But now I see
>super upbeat
>talks a lot about tasty Italian food
>aunt vibes
I think unless she starts showing strong coomer or unicorn pandering tendencies, I might keep tuning into her streams as background noise.
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the amount of seethe she generates from schizoids should be studied. its not like she suddenly pulled the rug from under them a year into her career either.
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>>396108long live queen ERB
No. 396116
>>396115well what kind of content do you like?
If i'm driving i'd prefer to listen to zatsudan streams from calmer vtubers like Ina, Fauna, etc.
No. 396117
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>>396114shes such a Stacy I love it
No. 396120
>>396118maybe gigi from the new gen? she has gremlin energy and seems to do alright with not having dead air/interacting with chat a healthy amount. Bae can be pretty good too if your timezones align. If you dont mind the pandering at times Bijou is great.
For indies, give Fleshy, Tobs, Bodegarrat, and coqui a shot
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>>396117oh that's a much better pic anon, thank you! i love her so much
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>>396123>makes moids seethe by being extroverted and saying hi to everyone regardless of gender/status>does whatever she feels like doing and doesnt apologize for it>moids cant really find anything to actually hate on her for without exposing themselves as creeps so they make up blantant lies and latch on to itthere'll probably be more examples as she continues her holo career. shes currently being stalked for watching Astel's karaoke for the past 5 hours.
No. 396147
>>396143they complain that she doesnt talk to the girls as much as she does with the guys. when she says hi to the girls they complain that she spams the chats, and im betting if she didnt talk that much they'd complain that she doesnt like them at all. no winning with schizos that already have an image of you in their minds.
Just hoping she doesn't turn into a Calli type and dedicate actual stream time to "calling out the haters" or whatever because that gets annoying too.
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>>396139>mentioned Bettel's name during a gen collabwell, there we go. she now has a mark on her body for the rest of her career kek.
the balls on her are massive though.
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I stg every loli vtuber has pulled the 'I got mistaken as a child' story on stream at least once.
For some of them, it's probably a straight-up lie, to pander to lolicon fans. For some of them, it's probably a real story, embellished a bit… to pander to lolicon fans.
And yeah I'm aware that some women actually look younger or shorter than their age. But we all know exactly why these loli vtubers habitually tell this story on stream.
Fwiw sometimes older folks with bad vision truly just cannot tell a 15 year old from a 25 year old.
Pic somewhat related, this is going around twitter. Tbh the vtuber still does not look adult-like to me because of the proportions.
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>>396216>samefagging>self-postingnta but where? Do you think multiple anons are unable to like ERB or something? Also why would ERB be self-posting in this thread kek. If you don't like Lizzie discussion then you're free to post your own oshi.
No. 396219
>>396216Also ntayrt. I'm not even a hardcore ERB stan like some of these posters, but I understand why people feel happy and refreshed to see ERB. To me she almost seems like she's actively spiting unicorn fans. There's no way she doesn't know about the backlash. Either that, or she simply does not care about the opinion of unicorns, since she is an adult married woman.
I am grateful that the new holo generation has revitalized this thread post-Nijisanji nuclear fallout.
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>>396216Sorry you got filtered by the queen
No. 396267
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>>396211They fail to mention that any woman in their 20s get mistaken for teenagers when they don't wear makeup and form fitting clothes.
>>396216Nta but I've been wanting to get into Hololive for a long time but their incel fanbase put me off every time, I can understand why other nonnas are also really happy that someone is finally not even subtly limiting themselves to pander to /vt/cels.
No. 396274
>>396268Which girl is most likely to be /here/?
I vote Shiori because I've seen the rrats that she's anti-troon
No. 396362
>>396338they're prob hoping for another Vesper situation with a suspension + graduation, though if anything this will just be another Kiara bad 2.0 situation.
>>396346its such a shame what happened to this channel. I'm hoping its some kind of vtuber unit project, or shes going strictly into music but it probably is just scummy NFT stuff.
No. 396369
>>396274In Hololive? Calli Kiara FWMC and Shiori. I don't think they selfpost or advertise, but they def know the existence of the site.
1+ if Shiori actually hates troons.
No. 396376
>>396274Kiara and FWMC for sure
Calli probably used to come here in the past
No. 396394
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I think I'd actually enjoy Mococo if she was just a solo vtuber. It's the specific way they do the twin schtick and also what Fuwawa brings to the dynamic that turns me so hard off of FWMC.
No. 396402
>>396390Actually, it's funny how many current vtubers have lolcow pasts and were discussed on here a decade ago.
FWMC, Keekihime, Pomu, possibly others. But I think becoming a successful vtuber is a pretty good outcome for prior weeb e-celebs and aidorus. They can continue to indulge in weeb degeneracy but make a living off of it. I'm a bit jealous tbh!
No. 396459
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Hey anons, what do you think the holo talents will be like in 10 years, if they do stay for 10 years that is? I don't know the ages of all talents but some should be in their late thirties or early forties by that time, right? Do you think any of them will possibly change or can you see them staying the same?
No. 396464
>>396274Before Holo Gura leaned heavily into board culture. Maybe not now but she's definitely been here.
For non Holo probably Nyanners.
No. 396465
>>396459>>396461I'll take the opposite approach and say it would be cool if some stick around, but just diversify their portfolio. Streaming games in front of an audience probably loses its charms, but more vtubers could branch into making their own video games, voice acting for anime, hell, someone could create a fashion line or a real-life exhibit.
Even if a popular vtuber mostly goes into retirement, I could see them coming out every 6 months to release a song cover or have an anniversary stream, for years on end. Provided they aren't kicked out by their agency for inactivity. Whether that's endearing or depressing depends on your outlook, I guess.
No. 396499
>>396459Some of them are already in their late 30s. If Holo is still around, I think some will stay but quite a few will have gone. I've seen a few of the older members talking about how it would be nice to have a normal life and some of the things other women their age have, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Then again, what's "normal" for a woman to have at xyz age is rapidly changing in most first world countries, so we might see a surprising number still on. Especially since for a lot of the really big talents, Holo IS their social circle.
No. 396633
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If I was a vtuber with 1,000,000+ subs and I owned my channel, I'd keep it forever, even if I was basically retired and moved onto a day job. Unless I was ashamed of my channel or it became associated with my irl identity.
Why? Look at Kizuna AI's stream yesterday. Or maybe more accurately, her corpo/puppeteers' stream, since the original VA is probably long gone. They turn on some flashing text and some throwback songs, and suddenly people are joining membership again and superchatting.
Ofc, people were baited into thinking it was her return for a few hours.
But imagine having a free source of money you can come back to a couple of times a year and hype everyone up over.
Even if Gura gets sick of streaming, I could see her coming back every 6 months and getting showered in superchats for the next decade. I'm sure she has hardcore fans that will follow her anywhere and put up with any extended absence.
Is it a bit sad? Maybe. But would I blame a vtuber who did that? I'd judge them but be a bit jealous lol.
But I guess anon above was talking more about vtubers who'd actually be active in a meaningful capacity. That's harder to say.
No. 396677
>>396633That's the thing,
nonny. You never really own your channel as a chuuba unless you're an indie, and indies never make it that big.
No. 397051
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Thoughts on the Armis boys after over half a year?
>Jurard
Surprisingly good, he's probably grown the most since joining. Benefits a lot from tard wrangling but his manager turns it into a spectator sport.
>Goldbullet
Graduate. Honestly cringe and not in a good way. I can't understand many of his choices (like his inability to play any game more than once, let alone finish them) and his manager is weirdly absent when at this point he's probably the member that needs wrangling most. Disappointing because he was my original favorite.
>Octavio
Musically definitely the best hire StarsEN has made so far. I think he's also got a really unique charm to him but he streams debuff games in a shit timeslot so he goes underappreciated. Hard worker too.
Vtubing was made for guys like him, I hope his fanbase sees a lot of growth because he deserves it.
>Ruze
My personal favorite in the gen now (although Octavio is rapidly encroaching), obviously a sentiment shared by many if his revenue is anything to go by. He competes with Bettel in earnings with just a fraction of the subs.
Anoth great hire by StarsEN. Is it weird to say thay I think he fills a niche that Vesper left empty in that he's just a great zatsu streamer? Guy really turns talking into an art form.
TLDR I think Jurard, Octavio, and Ruze have all been high quality hires. Goldbullet not so much, I honestly drop collabs he's in because I find him annoying.
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What is the most disastrous vtuber stream?
No. 397184
>>397051>Goldbullet I agree. He should lean more into his creative side instead of trying to be some kind of weird BFE streamer. I was honestly impressed at his birthday stream idea and the way he dropped his merch. His gaming streams for the most part are good too given he's actually great at gaming and talking at the same time efficiently, but its a shame that aside from that he's kind of hard to listen to because you can tell he really wants to farm yumes. It says a lot when I liked him better in his PL than I do now.
Just seems like a Sana situation where he doesn't want to use the talent that he's actually good at/helps set him apart (also he can pick up the niche Magni left which is art streams with a competent artist) and ends up just being a directionless streamer as a result.
No. 397200
>>397184Yeah, his game choices and skills are good but it's hard to be interested in a streamer who constantly chooses 30 hour games and only streams 2 hours of them before dropping them forever. The BFE is whatever, I'm fine with it conceptually but he's too socially graceless to pull it off. I agree on the underutilization of his art skills. I find it hard to believe that he would have been hired for anything else and yet…
On a marginal note, the way his fans baby him for his ADHD is embarrassing to watch… most of his issues are flaws of judgement and character not ADHD. I say this as somebody who has ADHD but they're 100% the type of women who would end up married bangmaids of an ADHD manchildren.
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>>397051>OctavioI'm really enjoying him, he fills some of the void Magni left behind. He is fun and creative, the ideas he comes up with are great. His karaokes are a blast. But I do not watch every stream, like you said he streams boring games for multiple weeks at a time. I respect him finishing what he starts but, yeah… I wish he did more streams about hyper focusing on anatomy since it's something he knows a lot about.
>GoldbulletEverything he does kinda puts me off, nothing seems genuine from his mouth for some reason and I can't pinpoint why. I am super confused how he even made it in, he doesn't even want to sing and with his health idk if he can perform if Armis gets their 3D one day. Also does anyone know if he actually knows Japanese and Spanish, from my understanding he only speaks English
No. 397221
>>397203You're correct, he only speaks English.
>nothing seems genuine from his mouth for some reason and I can't pinpoint why.I totally get what you mean. The vibes are just off.
No. 397222
>>397203I love the way Octavio's medical background comes through haha. It's fun when he talks with Hakka (former med student) and they get yucky with it.
It's a shame that Shinri is allergic to collabs because I also want to see them talk one on one. I feel like they'd make interesting conversation.
No. 397290
>>397235He'd probably do much better than he's doing now if he just went along with something closer to his PL's persona. The BFE thing in Holo when he wasn't even doing it before feels like a cheap cash grab.
He has the lowest earnings, least hours streamed by a mile (Jurard, Tavi, and Ruze all hover around the same amount), and competes with Tavi for some of the worst viewership despite not having Tavi's obvious debuffs (excluding Tavi reaching all-time highs for the gen when he does karaoke). I don't get why his manager hasn't at least stepped in to say they need to switch up what isn't working.
IIRC he has Hakka's manager, and Hakka hasn't had issues. And for a while he shared a manager with Jurard too. So his managers have good track records.
No. 397306
>>397203>with his health idk if he can perform if Armis gets their 3D one dayFulgur Ovid from Niji has health problems that prevent him from even taking flights but they included him in their 3D concert (in 2D form). He also didn't sing but he was in his group's downtime entertainment sections between performances so I don't think it'll be a big issue for Goldbullet. I was avoiding him since the DM leaks, good to know I wasn't missing out on anything kek
>>397298>what if someone better had that model instead?I'm starting to think both Holo and Niji are choosing safer/tamer options instead of ones with creative spirits lately because "wild" ones in EN don't fit the JP company style. They must have been scarred by the two that got away already while choosing Armis. I don't know if anyone else agrees. It's why Holojustice felt like a revival of sorts with so many unique talents. Rrat warning:
Not to beat a dead horse but Kunai still hasn't streamed in over a month, and hasn't streamed regularly for even longer with no notice or whatsoever. She hasn't even been in Niji for a year, they're definitely choosing talents with no aspirations or goals out of fear that better ones will leave to get better opportunities imo. No. 397310
>>397306Eh, Niji's 3D affairs tend to be a lot less demanding on the part of the liver than it is for Hololive talents. I'm not sure about that. Because he's been caught in a lot of smaller lies, I'm always left wondering if he lied to management about his health in the interview process.
I feel bad for Kademama. She seems to like Goldbullet enough but she deserves a son who's going to like… actually go places with the gorgeous model she designed.
On your second points, I think Niji's hires have been a result of their talent pool drying up. I wouldn't really agree with your theory on the point of Armis either, all four members have done interesting things that fill the gap left behind by Magni and Vesper, including Goldbullet (although every time he does something out of the box, it usually involves copyright striking because he's retarded).
I think Magni and Vesper's legacy gets inflated a lot because of them being part of the first gen with a lot of hopes and eyes on them. But subsequent members have offered things of equally unique worth. I don't even feel like I'm being generous in saying that.
No. 397375
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What vtuber mamas/papas or fanartists do you like?
I always think Mamaloni's art is so cute. It's probably too fetishy or coomerish for a lot of people. But I think it's kind of cool to see unabashed lesbian art from a lesbian artist. And somehow it has a lot of shoujo charm to me.
No. 397481
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>>397375Nah, I agree. I love mamaloni, I don't care what anybody says!
I think Pako is one of my favorite fanartists/papas, it's a shame he can't get a child to stick around! He clearly loves vtubers a lot, regardless of what your opinion on his designs are.
Senzaki mama is also high up there for me. Woman knows what the Bettelion want to see.
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>>397481Pakoooo! As an FGO player I've come to love him even more. I'm so sad that his vtuber children are cursed.
Some of his art of male characters is surprisingly hot, too. Would recommend. No. 397619
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I feel so bad for the Niji fans attending AX this year
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>>397581I think Sana's model was super cute. It gives me the feeling of a 90s or 2000s handpainted anime cel. I'll die on this hill!
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Our Queen is beautiful even on a rebroadcast.
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>>398149i miss my wife, tails
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/1dwlphx/suisei_x_akb48_soiree_on_the_music_day_2024/More unicorns incoming. I'm happy for Suisei. I'll just never forget AKB48 as the group where an idol was demoted for having a boyfriend and shaved her own head to apologize.
It's the same as FWMC: good times, but I'm out before the unicorns take over.
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>>398520It's super weird. Council doesn't have a single PUP announced and nobody in ID, not even Kobo, has a PUP or a nendo. You'd expect Fauna, Mumei or even the few JP girls without one to get a PUP before them but apparently not.
No. 398610
>>398582i mean this is assuming Suisei is even attracted to men or is interested in dating atm which imo is none of our business as fans to know.
All she mentioned was that people should not gachikoi her because she will never return their feelings. She also collabs with holostars and has them on her lives/participates in theirs so unicorn fans have already left by now.
No. 398652
>>398582Honestly, I can't blame anyone online for not talking about their partner, whether it's a vtuber or a regular youtuber. Mentioning your partner is just gonna lead to questions like: Who is it? Are they also a streamer? Oh you're broken up now? Why did you break up? Are you sad? When are you gonna date again?
Also could lead to security issues, if people find out you're dating another streamer, that streamer has been doxed before, now you're at risk of being doxed too.
Hell, talking about your family on stream could be a risk. I wanna say Axel from Holostars EN was talking about how his mom is a baker, and eventually he posted a photo of a cake from her website and doxed her. Admittedly, that was a dumb move and real-life photos are risky in general, but hopefully you get what I mean.
Vtubing has to be a balance between playing a character and being your real self, I think, while also being careful about security for yourself and friends/family.
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I arrived 22 minutes late to the stream but there's so many superchats for my wife.. so happy for her
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>>398675I don't really get the point you're trying to make. Is the question whether or not Suisei would theoretically mention having a boyfriend if there was theoretically no security risk but it would theoretically damage her brand as a streamer? And this is somehow a critique on Suisei?
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>>398744Suisei-anti-chan… I don't really get it. This is apparently gonna be a controversial and hot take for some, but I don't think we should be looking for the pinnacle of feminism in women roleplaying anime characters online and playing vidya.
If you're looking for things to nitpick, you're going to find them. If Suisei says "I have a boyfriend" or "Don't make porn of me", you can easily create other arguments, e.g. Do anime characters look vaguely childish? If so, how does that relate to femininity? Are beauty standards so high that women can't be face streamers anymore and must hide behind masks? Is women playing games and being interactive and goofy for superchats a form of virtual prostitution?
Suisei is an ambitious and hardworking lady who sings songs and is a cute anime character. It's not that deep.
I feel happy when I see women enjoy games, and the anime factor makes them extra cute to me. Not even a Suisei stan but come on.
No. 399254
>>399224I second this.
Exceptions may be made if I know their PL. I don't wanna hear about my oshi losing everything they worked for and having by to start over.
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>>399196(Mixed feelings about the term but) unironically hags make the best oshis
No. 400156
>>400139Pretty neat IMO
Probably really weird for anybody that night that was, you know, a normal person though
No. 400248
>>400217Dodgers have had unusual collabs like with Blackpink or Hello Kitty. Also AnimeExpo was on at the same time so they thought they could siphon some fans from that
and it worked. Four hour queues for merch.
No. 400444
>>400442Anon… only minutes after I posted
>>400435 …
No. 400588
>>400422gives me dramafag vibes like Vesper with the whole "negative attention is good attention thing". How about focus on not making being part of your fanbase stressful?
Never really liked his vibes anyways pre debut but i'll just avoid any collabs ERB has with him now.
No. 400613
>>400458>The way in which he implied he can do whatever he wants with the girls outside collabs was pretty ickyit comes off as a moid going on an ego trip and using women that are unwilling to risk their brands to get a one up on delusional moids that he shouldn't even be paying attention to in the first place.
Holostars need to get better at not letting schizo drama affect their actual streams whether its membership or public.
No. 400645
>>400636i like ruze's worldbuilding streams and some gibby when he's playing a game i like from time to time. for the most part im indifferent to Armis s a whole, but the branch was doing well with not attracting dramafag attention after magnoir left until Jurard debuted.
i mostly watch girls nowadaays after falling off HQ/VG so not my issue to deal with at the end of the day. Just as an ex vestie that dropped him after the anniversary stream fiasco, having an oshi that gloats about pwning the haters is a red flag.
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Really not looking forward to the slew of unicorn posts this week nor the shameless dramatubers who are going to hop on it like vultures. I just wish he never said anything at all, now unicorns and predditors are going to use HIS yab as ammo to harass everyone else. God he's so retarded.
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>>398793>>398803i’m not anti-ing her kek i am literally just quoting what she said verbatim
No. 400818
>>400808Most streamers benefit from them. A lot. Especially at Hololive, where they try to get their oshis to not interact with women who interact with men.
I agree with you. But I'm sure there are people who will do anything for money. Plus, there are people who don't want drama but think it's somehow the streamers' fault for not wanting to deal with unicorns.
Personally, I don't think its his problem if it's in membership. If someone is paying for his content (or if his fans are leaking it) to hate on it, that just proves his point about unicorns. He's technically not wrong. Many of them are friends that he's known from before Holostars so asking them to not be friends is a lot. And all the people complaining about bad publicity tend to forget that MagVes did well enough to be confident about leaving.
HoloID was once described as anti-unicorn. English speaking streamers above a certain age naturally gravitate towards other women and don't want their guy friends or boyfriend dragged in. Those video's do well.
It'll increase his numbers whole negatively affecting the girls he intracts with. As Kiara pointed out, the guys are doing great but she wants to do her own thing. Calli got a lot of backlash for dissing idol culture until eventually she stopped and gave in.
This is a job. IMO, not being forced to interact with men beyond work sounds great, but it's annoying when your audience makes it a problem or hinders your choices. The girls with highest unicorn fanbase seem to be FWMC and that's a bit too much for me, but it's their chosen direction.
Vtuber crowd is like the crowd that watches e-girls but worse. E-girls can choose to talk about their relationships, but it's less likely (nearly impossible) for Vtubers. Unicorns go out of their way to hate, so the easiest thing to do is not acknowledge them and make your own decisions. They don't deserve acknowledgment at all.
No. 400908
>>400843>Nah it’s way too normalized for moids to reap benefits from women and then switching up, thinking themselves above those womenThis. Kronii and Mori stuck their necks out for Vesper and Magni, and those retards did nothing but dramafag on their own channels to "own the haters", and fucked off anyways. I wonder how bad everything went down behind the scenes, because Mori doesn't mention holostars anymore and Kronii even has the word "Vesper" banned from chat.
At best, most male vtubers are leeches and at worst they are sexpest, it's why I stopped watching male vtubers completely
No. 400929
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>>400908Anon his name is likely banned due to the unicorn (and Babski) meltdowns that ensued whenever she collabed with Vesper. Mori is busy and she was literally in a rust server with multiple male nijis/streamers two months ago, collaborations with "sexpests" aren't off the table. anons hating men here does not equal as an acceptance to your kind of faggotry, go back.
No. 400941
>>400931It's not untrue, but it's /vt/ speak and if the deleted threads on /w/ are anything to go by then it rightfully made me and other anons raise a brow. My main issue anyway is that she's implying that Mori and Kronii initially distanced themselves because of soured friendships and not what actually happened, which was unicorns throwing tantrums en masse. Even more suspicious is implying that Mori doesn't mention stars anymore due to Magnoir being
problematic dramafags when she recently interacted with JP livers from Nijisanji along with Aruran, who was also in the VCR rust server. Maybe I'm jumping the gun but language like that is still suspicious to me imo.
No. 400966
>>400817>>I don't really want to see thatYou do realise that purityfagging isn't something vtuber fans encourage or think is admirable. She isn't doing it to appease anyone or to seem innocent and garner attention from it. She's putting it as lightly as is acceptable, from the position of somebody like herself. Her moid fans (and unfortunately some female fans as well) are degenerates who will sexualise her endlessly and she's clearly uncomfortable with it. If it's not in the official tag, she has a smaller chance of coming across it, but she can't forbid anyone from doing it; if anything, being against it would definitely make it worse and I'm certain she's aware of that. So of course she's not gonna say "don't draw porn of me you retards" outright.
>>400929>picrelfucking kek, moid patheticness truly knows no bounds
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>>401045>attended one of the best schools in his countryYet he's stupid enough to acknowledge unicorns and taunt them. lord have mercy, I'm praying that my oshi doesn't interact with him anymore. that information is eye-opening.
No. 401224
>>401073Yes, because he was a communications major (hence the media internship) and calls it "hate marketing" kek
>>401216I didn't save them when they were posted and his photos are really overprotectuvely guarded by fans on account of them being found through invasive means (not posted on any public accounts but rather a personal FB account including his IRL friends and family). This same instance is how we know he's also a twin though, he's just not public about it the way Bettel is.
No. 401227
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>>401216>>401224Never thought I'd be reposting this anywhere yet here I am. here you go anons. Hopefully I don't get banned kek
No. 401322
>>401227mid, just normal
>>401224Damn, what’s up with all the twin vtubers?
No. 401325
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>>401320I’m asian too nona, it’s giving Chigyu
No. 401362
>>401329For me it’s Ashton Marten. I recognize a lot of her content is thanks to the money she spent but she’s also a hard worker, is cheerful and sweet. Panders at times but I don’t have a girlfriend so I don’t despise some tasteful GFE, it warms my cold ice heart kek.
I love her theme and branding, too.
No. 401375
>>401329I love Ashton Marten. Been watching her since debut and she's grown so much.
I also like VividlyVivi too.
No. 401445
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>>401424I dont know if it's true because I honestly haven't kept up with HoloEN streams, but I've heard that they have a ridiculous number of meetings to go to. Like, they have to be present at meetings entirely in Japanese in the middle of the night in the western hemisphere.
Also idk if Stars and HoloEN have vastly different management, but I remember Magni saying most of his creative stream ideas were shut down. I could see it getting tiring if you want to experiment with content, and you're always told no. Same thing with never getting game perms you want.
I miss Magni. He was pretty funny and creative before all the drama happened. I have no interest in what he's doing now, he seems like he's fallen off. No. 401460
>>401445makes sense the girls would have insane amounts of meetings since they have more sponsorship/merch/concert activities than the guys do or ever will.
>>401424did you see Mumei's stream the other day? She was talking about traveling to Japan to do her 3d bday live and appearances in other 3D lives too. Seems like most of the girls have issues with balancing all their work (though they get it done at the end of the day). Thats why holos that tend to stream long hours (like Kaela or Koyori for ex.) are applauded because it usually means their organizational skills are extremely good.
No. 401563
>>401524Work ethic matters so much. If their streams are gonna decrease I at least need them to be high effort streams and not the epitome of "clocking in for work" vibes. And I mean work ethic like Suisei with actually getting high quality projects done in the bg to excuse why she doesn't stream as often anymore.
In the end though, I just treat vtubers like regular youtubers/tv shows that run their course. If the content they upload isn't meeting my standards and i'm making too many excuses then I just drop them and move on to someone else that can entertain me. oshi'ing/kami oshi'ing etc. just seems like a tactic to get you to stay with someone who's content you don't really care for out of some weird loyalty.
I made the mistake of oshi'ing someone who I saw a lot of potential in who ended up disappointing me big time with nothing but lazy content and they only get by nowadays because people don't want to cut their losses with them (the whole sunk cost fallacy thing). Literally like watching long running tv show that's jumped the shark years ago, feels like people are only clinging on because they remember how good it used to be.
No. 401595
>>401563This! I feel this way about Vtubers and also about company shills. If I like someone, I'm probably following them out. I hate when a person leaves and the fans try to brand them as traitors or menhera.
I also agree with
>>401424 about vtuber audience, especially with Holo, who set the standard. It posts the best, but it's also likely to cause issues down the line, even for people who don't actively pander. Mikeneko had the thing with her ex, but Suisei had issues after someone speedily heard a male voice in her stream (before she started actually working with males like Roberu). There's a clip of Ao-kun saying that she was told to mention she lives with her parents so she doesn't have a similar issue. I think Koyori also mentioned it once.
If you know that things can easily go South for you over the dumbest things, you'll probably be wary. Plus, in companies like Vshojo/idol, the idol culture isn't enforced anyways. If you're only going to stream games, it's easier to do it from US/Canada than Japan. Same for music cover perms.
The only people who benefit from Hololive are ones getting sponsored or collabing with people they couldn't Collab with without a Japanese company (see: Japanese artists). I now understand what that nonna meant when she said she can't enjoy Vtubers for moral reasons. It's hard to forget when you see oshis being on edge about make interactions. Fuwamoco ruined it for me.
I do watch clips from my old oshis in their new jobs. They're somehow the only ones who kinda keep my attention.
Does anyone else feel like their oshi just… Isn't as interesting anymore? Or walking on eggshells?
No. 401667
>>401531>>401563AYRT. Secondary question, how do you two usually watch streams? Are you live watchers, and are you usually devoting your full attention to the streams?
Personally the streams are always just background noise while I work, I rarely even looknat the screen. It's most important to me is how she narrates her activity, whether she's interesting enough just speaking, and whether I find her voice grating.
No. 402614
>>402518$99.99 lol
he probably gets away with not putting content out since management doesnt check membership too often. Making concerns public and not paying for that tier anymore would probably be best thing to do for people.
No. 402616
>>402614Ayrt and damn… If people felt the need to stay at that tier so they can get their reward because there's no way to communicate to the previous members of a certain tier they paid 600 USD at least? Someone needs to at least threaten to sue him or Holopro because this is straight up robbery
>>402557Goldbullet from Armis
No. 403297
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Hizaki Gamma from Holostars got terminated? Wow, the impression I remember from whatever I saw of them is that he seemed like the most naturally charismatic Uproar member
No. 403305
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>>403297NTA but here’s the Google translated version of the statement. I really wonder what happened.
No. 403434
>>403297 >>403364
Rrat: Cover is sabotaging the really popular ones themselves.
Rushia. Mel. Magni. Vesper. Mel got to say goodbye because she was willing to take all blame. The other 3 probably weren't
>>403420Can you list all the people who graduated without a stream or got terminated in both branches? My information is limited.
No. 403469
>>403434It's only Mel on the Hololive side. For the Stars, it's just MagVes (which was an odd situation with a prolonged hiatus prior to their graduation announcement) and now Gamma.
Kagami Kira and Tsukishita Kaoru both graduated without streams, but both graduations were on the request of the streamers themselves. Kagami Kira had been streaming very sporadically for a long time and cited both mental/physical health issues, so it wasn't shocking at all at the time. He was my first oshi (crucify me for my past taste, whatever), so I can confirm from following his PL for quite some time that his reasons for leaving were real. He kind of hung out with other mentally ill femboys (Mashiro from Niji's PL is one of them) and had a history of being unwell, IIRC he had already moved back in with his parents to recuperate by the time his graduation was announced.
Tsukishita Kaoru's reasons for graduation were never really publicly stated, but he had a wife and a teenage stepdaughter and the general rrat is that he graduated because they were (for obvious reasons) not pleased with him larping as a femboy on the internet for $$ kek.
Suzaku could also be counted but his graduation was mostly him not sticking with Stars as a result of their extremely poor reception from audiences in the early days.
Generously, I think only the MagVes and Mel situations can be considered similar to the current situation with Gamma. MagVes don't really count in my books though due to the timeline of events and exceptionally weird circumstances surrounding their sudden departures.
No. 403479
>>403469Also clarifying in case a Niji autist gets on my case: I know Mashiro isn't an IRL femboy, he's just a guy with an unusually hogh voice who got bullied a lot for it when he was younger. He is, or at least was, good friends wirh Kira on their PLs though.
Kira is an IRL femboy who used to attend competetive gaming events dressed as a girl, post softcore pictures on 2ch, etc, though. I've peaked in the time since I was his fan and IMO I feel like he got more mentally unwell once he hit the wall in his 30s (he was one of the older members of the Stars). Last I checked post-Stars, though, he'd pretty much stopped doing that stuff and mostly streamed using his regular male voice.
No. 403544
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Kek @ Goldbullet catching strays from Gamma's termination
I'm gonna be honest I can't seem to get as emotional over grads and such as seems to be normal for fans? I think it's especially ridiculous when people talk about grieving and treat discussing the person around their coworkers as if they died. I sort if get it for the talents who were close friends with the graduating/terminated member, but at the end of the day they can still talk to that person. And for the rest of the branch or even other branches it's like… Dude, if somebody babied me because Jennifer in accounting who I barely spoke to quit her job it would be ridiculous.
No. 403583
>>403469I only knew Rushia, MagVes and Mel. I didn't realise leaving without stand was common. Did anyone else leave a message like the current people seem to?
I say Rushia because I heard that the screw up stream was the only one where you could respond, which isn't something you could normally do in her streams. But unlike her, Mel didn't leak info publically and was willing to apologize to the audience for info getting leaked.
One of Magni's producers had leaked since info for clout, and now he's graduated. I think Zephyriana and Futakuchi Mana did a stream on that, with another person.
I highly doubt Lando would've been willing to apologize in a goodbye stream or tweet. Apart from the possibility of skinwalking, so many high achievers leaving could also be about them wanting more, so I'm surprised there's no rrats about that. Like, comparing contracts to Hololive girls and wanting more or something.
Plus, I know a lot of niji contact terms would be unenforceable in NA, but if Cover has similar terms, they could possibly enforce them in EU or Asia. They can refuse resignations in Japan, for example. Non-disparagement and non-disclosure clauses are par for the course in many companies. I guess I just want to see what those contracts look like. Just one leak.
No. 403605
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>>403565Nah, it's about Goldbullet.
Somebody on the other site dug into the public discord server of the Goldie ex-fans and posted this as well. The accusations are wild and should be taken with a grain of salt considering it's Tako (the original insane Vestie that GB got caught DM-ing), but it's interesting milk nonetheless given something like meeting up with fans offline is a new accusation.
An additional timeline note is that May 9th was the last time she was seen on GB's fan discord so whatever caused her and her friends to turn on him was pretty recent, it didn't start with her temporary shadowbanning after the first DM-ing incident.
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>>403606Also,
>>403583 I don't think there's anything to this "high achievers" rrat. Too many of the big moneymakers have stayed on to contradict this point and we have clear reasons for every other big departure. I wouldn't really count Magni (he did not perform as well as the other boys in his gen numerically, and his dissatisfaction with that due to his obsessive numberfagging has always been a factor), Mel, or the other Stars grads as necessarily being in the high achievers club.
No. 403667
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>>403651Yeah, TLDR it seems like GB for some retarded reason continued talking with her in DMs up until recently. She then made a strong push to get romantically involved and when she got rejected she turned on him.
No. 403725
>>403715as someone that's had a mentally ill friend in that past that was preyed on by moids in higher social positions than her, this whole situation is giving me an ick especially when people keep calling Tako a mentally unwell bitch that shouldn't be believed.
Unless there's been situations documented in the past of her falsely accusing people of terrible crimes her worst crime ATM is just being a parasocial fangirl that annoys people.
I'm gonna believe her over a guy that has some form of accusation already thrown at him from his pre stars identity.
No. 403752
>>403725Also the woobifying of this upper 20s moid is ridiculous. There are people genuinely asserting that she was actually the one manipulating him?
Also the timeline puts more blame on him than a mentally unwell woman who already made it obvious what her pattern of behavior is. Why the hell would he stay in contact with her if he didn't have ulterior motives? I really doubt it's what his defenders are saying, "oh she threatened him with her unwellness", he's not an indie, he has managers he could escalate the situation to.
No. 403849
>>403609I just saw the subs from graduation and in general, Gen 1 had about twice the subs of Gen 2. If you have exact numbers from graduations, let me know.
And saying biggest moneymakers haven't left is like saying most of Luxiem haven't left Nijisanji. The people who I listed were the first gen members in their departments.
I said that because I recall one person mentioning that usually you can't rewind Rushia's streams but you could in that one incident. Mel was the only person allowed to tweet and the others were unlikely to be that positive to the company at that point.
I guess the only normal EN graduation was Sana. Official reasoning was her being sick and one of the listed unofficial reasons was being forbidden from earning money from being an artist in a gacha game. Now, I see a bit of negative pushback of anyone mentions space in Promise videos.
No. 403961
>>403948>wanted to put illustration first as her main careerWhich she couldn't while in Holo. Considering his little done green 1 members stream, it shouldn't have been an issue what she did in her off time. A lot of girls stream as their alts on occasion. Hers barely leads to direct competition with the company or risks IP. Some girls have used the wrong name during alt streams. I think it was CyYu who mentioned that a company (maybe Holo) wanted everything done through them and get a cut and Niji wanted to cut off all options.
>you need perms to draw anything but Holo content on streamThat would explain why the Magni left.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R7h8GGbfEnM&t=106sTemma speaking on Gamma's termination. Seems Gamma did something in his personal life big enough that most of the boys agree with the termination, even if there's no bad blood.
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Magni/Professor Lando is going to redebut. I have to say, I'm glad that he didn't go with his ugly femboy catboy monstrosity like he initially planned a while back.
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Rio's comments on the gamma situation.
No. 404287
>>404282Girlfriend wouldn't be an issue, it was pretty well known when Astel got one (afaik no longer together, though).
ENside Magni has a longterm girflriend and Octavio is married, I've heard Hakka has a girlfriend as well.
No. 404765
>>404282I wanna know too. JP idea of justified termination can be pretty skewed, as we saw in the Sayu/Kotoka situation. Cover seems more cool, but at the end of the day, it's still a JP company. Not forgiving gives the impression that it was somehow company/talent related. Could be as simple as not renewing a contract or actively pulling a full GB with fans. There's also PL stuff, which is allowed, but we don't know the extent of.
I recall seeing Demondice say she's happy to have time for streaming and it's very clear that must of their schedules are packed to the point that they don't have the TIME to do PL stuff. A lot of companies assume that having another job means you're not doing enough at your current one. Could be something really petty. Since he's active on PL, some things will come out soon enough.
Was his PL mentioned?
No. 404853
>>404765Oga has a day job and last I heard Izuru was interning in engineering after getting a degree in it (he was attending college most of his Stars career). Temma has pretty full activities on his PL. So that can't be the issue, it's something else.
Rio made it sound like it's something really common sense that he did wrong, which is why the drug rrat is so plausible to people. With East Asian entertainment industries, that's something that'll ruin your reputation (hence Cover maybe firing him but giving grace by not naming what he did) but you won't necessarily go to jail for it.
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>>404853Those aren't entertainment type jobs which Cover could consider “competing”. Didn't Sana leave to focus on illustration? Raora's art seems to be making fan mascots for her genmate as well. Ina also did some artwork at one point
About drugs: East Asian? Really? Those are the countries with the some of the highest intolerance towards drugs. Did he mention it? Even if he was falsely accused for drug related stuff and got acquitted, there's bound to at least be an arrest. And that information would leak.
>>404786If it was NDA breach, Cover would just say that, as they did with the girls in the past. It says “breach of responsibility”. Having a second job and not going "above and beyond" while having a part time job would probably qualify. This is what I think of everytime I hear about people leaving their (presumably "contractor") positions at Cover when they have successful careers elsewhere:
https://youtu.be/XdBWEjh5HK8?si=6Te4EatpH1P9CdPPCover said it has “become difficult to continue supporting and managing him”. After discussion. And the termination was “mutual”. Considering the nature of Japanese companies (especially entertainment contracts), and also companies in general, isn't "in subordination" more plausible as a reason than "drug abuse"?
http://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/20240719-01If you have a successful career, it's foolish to jeopardize that for something like corpo vtubing.
And the slew of carefully crafted goodbyes on Twitter are also an interesting choice. Fans will no longer check the PL of graduated/terminated talent to try and figure out what happened. It's convenient and doesn't make fans wonder what happened and go looking for explanations on platforms or accounts that Cover can't fully control. There's no risk of graduated talents keeping a chunk of the new fanbase when said fanbase goes looking for their statement.
Anyways, my rrat is skinwalking as graduated/terminated talent and making ridiculous demands of said talent.
No. 404967
>>404554honestly aside from her karaoke i've moved on to Cecilia and Raora, but mainly Raora, for stream content.
Liz really needs to find her groove outside of karaoke, they're fun but until she gets her 3D model or learns how to use OBS to make her layout more interesting it's gonna be kind of bland to watch.
i'll be willing to support her more whenever she gets the hang of what she wants her non singing content to be, but for now im getting "phoning it in" vibes and being someone that's had 2 oshis graduate early
Sana and Vesper i'm kind of hypersensitive now to any kind of sign that someone doesn't know what they want in their holo career.
No. 405026
>>404554Honestly same. I get she's not a gamer by her own admission, but I wish she was at least a bit more curious about trying new games? Or at the very least, if she doesn't want to stream games as much, she really needs to find ideas for more chatty streams. A lot of old Hololive content was fun gimmicky streams, I wish she would take inspo there.
>>404766Agreed, she seems to be super into Holostars yet out of touch on anything Hololive and the general vibes and culture of EN. But like
>>404854 said, she hopefully just needs time to find her place. Reminds me of Calli in a way.
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TFW you've finally started learning Japanese but both of your favorite JP vtubers (Sasaki Saku and Inugami Korone) have accents you're not keen to pick up on…
Any nonnas have alternative JP chuuba recommendations? I like chuubas who have a preference for older games, have unique humor, and don't make lewdity a huge selling point. Regularity of streaming doesn't matter since I mostly watch VODs.
Also for JP speaking nonnas– is it actually that bad to listen to a ton of Sasaki and Korone, or am I worrying too much?
No. 405439
>>405235You can fix your accent later by watching J-Dramas and such. The beginning part should be fun. So watch people you're interested in.
Here's a recommendation.
No. 405443
>>405367Interesting to know! I did have a crossick phase a few years back, and while I know they don't do that anymore, I liked her a lot. So I'll check her out!
>>405439This is good perspective, thank you nonna. (Any favorite jdramas?)
No. 405549
>>405443Last live action thing I saw was a movie: Our Secret Diary. My Happy Marriage is also a movie now.
Koisenu Futari was also nice, but it's not as fluffy.
>>405439 is a clip of Novel Tsukamoto (formerly Utako Suzuka), whose voice is pretty clear and easy to understand. And she's a fujo, so I like her.
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vtuber "stream teams" are so funny because they clearly just want the clout of being in the clique of a vtuber group but they dont want to shill out the funds to form a company and actually give people incentive to join so they just call themselves a "stream team" and take applications to pretend like theyre hololive or nijisanji and then do shit like kick everyone they accepted into the group out that wasnt part of the original friend group and excusing it by going "hurrrr but were not an actual vtuber group we dont have to be professional" kek
No. 406290
>>406106Surprising take to hear from a fellow Dragoon because I think she's made it pretty clear that keeping the fan name and using the same artist isn't her "hanging on" to her Niji days.
I think keeping the Dragoon fan name is a middle finger to Niji showing them that her fanbase came with her and they can't own that. And her getting a model from the same mama was specifically because she wanted to do right by her mama's design this time, since in Niji she wasn't given many opportunities for recognition through things like merch and collabs.
I guess I get not wanting, as a fan, to be reminded of the bad time she had in Niji but at the end of the day what matters is how she feels about things, and she's clearly moved on positively and isn't living in the past with these choices.
No. 406384
Who said they liked prince vtubers? There's also Rin Penrose, but here's Riinu.
https://m.youtube.com/@riinukun/streamsOn another note, did Ao-kun always sound that deep?
No. 406409
>>406384Her voice and design combi is so unfair lol
Actually curious going on the previous discussion ITT, how are the ReGloss girls for JP learners? I assume Kanade, Raden, and Banchou aren't great for their various reasons (JSL, speaks quickly, Banchou) but what about Ao-kun and Ririka?
No. 406410
>>406384I think you're referring to
>>356915? There's also Oh Jiyu from Nijisanji exKR, she mostly streams in Japanese now. Not really the best singer but vidrel is a based song choice for a female prince-themed vtuber (it's the character song of Hibiki Shikyoin, a female prince-themed idol from the Pretty Rhythm series).
No. 406411
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>>406410I really love her design, it was exciting when her first alternate outfit was a level-up of the prince theme.
No. 406709
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I usually hate self-marketed "gremlin" vtubers but man Gigi has grown on me so much, enough to go from least to most favorite of her gen for me. She's a perfect combi of genuinely thoughtful/smart, funny, and enthusiastic about improvement. And it's a huge plus that she can actually game without being massively frustrating to watch. Cannot wait to see how she grows in the future, there's only one other girl in Holo I've watched this regularly.
No. 406744
>>406741Oh shit you're right about her design lol.
Honestly I've cooled a lot on ERB since debut, I like that she's anti-unicorn and that she sings well but currently I don't feel she has much going for her beyond that. I find Cece and Gigi to both be much more enjoyable to watch as streamers, I think the level of streaming experience in the gen's PLs stands out a lot right now. ERB got a great leg up with the singing buff but she needs to do more to retain her fans.
For example, her monetization just being yet another milquetoast karaoke while her genmates all came up with something to make the occassion feel more special than a normal stream was just disappointing. I wholly attribute the mediocre supa turnout she got to that.
No. 406898
>>395027There's also the thing with hitting on/dating/sexting fans, including underage ones.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QcXizfIHVX4&pp=ygUSWmVubGlnaHR2YSBncm9vbWVkhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKVfbKJom5w&pp=ygUPdnR1YmVyIHByZWRhdG9yIn general, there seems to be a lot of predators, both male Vtubers and fleshtubers
No. 407399
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Which ones are good streams with the Bettel twins?
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>>407399Not embedding because it's a long list of videos. Sorry if there are typos, I'm on mobile.
I tend to prefer the zatsu/zatsu-adjacent streams with them (I don't enjoy watching Bettel play games in general to be honest lol)
>First stream with Bettel 2, Bettel's first bday streamhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9oCtqk0U1Jk&pp=ygUYYmV0dGVsIGJpcnRoZGF5IGJldHRlbCAy>Twins make a cross country roadtrip to move to Vegas from Florida, recount the experiencehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j6mXvLEHjtI&pp=ygUNYmV0dGVsIG1vdmluZw%3D%3D>The famous August 19th stream, critical Bettel lorehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6qD7i4tQsU&pp=ygUYZ2F2aXMgYmV0dGVsIGF1Z3VzdCAxOXRo>Twins forget to call home on Christmas or something (IDR aside from it being funny) and have to defuse family drama on streamhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qtmIolUyWDI&pp=ygUSYmV0dGVsIDIgY2hyaXN0bWFz>Bettel's 2nd birthday stream, Bettel 2 only appears for a short while on call. Sweet because it takes place while Bettel is in Japan and it's their first birthday apart from each other.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V16Gq4L9GWU&t=0sThe only gaming stream with both of them I really enjoyed was the bomb defusal one, because you see a lot of twin telepathy at play. Genuinely don't think anybody else would have understood the way Bettel tried to explain things in this stream.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6Z_ZfJDBM&pp=ygUOYmV0dGVsIGV4cGxvZGU%3D No. 407422
>>407399It was funny when they were in Wrestletuber together.
Doki chose the pairups through lottery and because of the uneven number of contestants, somebody was going to end up progressing past the first round without having to fight. That person ended up being Bettel, so as a joke, she wrote "Bettel" and "Bettel 2" on the pairup chart without realizing an actual Bettel 2 existed.
Waiting with everybody day-of to see if he'd actually bring his twin was a blast and a lot of the viewers unfamiliar with him apparently didn't realize he'd brought his actual real life twin to the fight.
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Hololive's Aqua is graduating on the 28th of this month.
No. 407684
>>407681she really grew on me after the Hardcore Minecraft event a few months ago, and she was still her usual goofy self in the recent ARK event. this feels so out of the blue.
>>407682apparently it's a disagreement with management, though there aren't any specifics
No. 407738
>>407729Is she the one who left Nijisanji due to alleged bullying and didn't get a single call-in during her graduation stream, causing her to break down crying? Or was it someone else?
>>407685Inb4 more older/senior talents graduate. A-chan left recently. There was a termination. Now one of the OGs of Hololive is leaving. More wouldn't be surprising. Maybe Cover is purging people.
No. 407740
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>>4077384chan moids are speculating that it's due to the relations with China, but I'm not so sure.
Unrelated, but pic related
NijisanjiEN going through some more shit.
>Hex posted this under recently graduated NijisanjiID who is now Vshojo's Michi Mochievee>Below he posts his RM's tweet and change the PFP to one absolutely similar to his current Hex PFP>His YouTube bio has sick and tired No. 407832
>>407740I don't know about China, but I used to watch Niji a while back. Around the time Sayu got terminated. The clips at the time were about Livers talking up Anycolor, Riku and management. Then a lot of things shifted. With Cover, it feels like a similar shift is happening. After the China announcement, A-Chan left, Gamma got terminated after 2.5 years and now Aqua, who's been there almost since the beginning, is leaving after 6 years. A lot of people will feel like Holo JP in itself is changing.
The only thing fans can see is China, which isn't a small thing for the people who were there when HoloCN "graduations" happened. Could also be a management thing, but Cover has a reasonably tight grip on leaks, so we'll probably never know unless the same thing happens in EN or someone translates clips from JP talents' new lives.
It's one thing when a Holostar leaves after 2.5 years (IMO, that's still a long time to assume it's his fault vs the company's, rather than a disagreement, but I didn't watch him much) It's another thing when one of the OG Hololive talents is also leaving. They both seemed like creative differences to me. And the fact that this happened after the CN announcement and A-chan leaving means a lot.
IIRC, in China, you need to give personal information to stream on Billibilli and the like. A lot of talents who want to stay anonymous might leave if expected to stream on Chinese platforms. They'll become "difficult to manage and support" and will have "creative differences". Not wanting to deal with Chinese antis is definitely a creative difference.
No. 407950
>>407928i don't see how there's anything better when suisei and calli are at their peak thanks to being in hololive, with tv appearances and record deals and all that. i've heard tourists say it's because COVER makes her do the idol thing when all she wants is to stream games, but that can't be true because she's also the one who pushed the idol angle more than anyone else in her gen, like having two solo concerts, which is two more solo concerts than everybody else in her gen combined.
quite frankly there are way too many schizoid rrats that you just can't take seriously, and the only concrete reason is 'difference in direction' and also the fact that the hololive she joined six years ago is a whole different beast to the hololive of today. i figure we'll get more information by the time she leaves on the 28th.
No. 407970
>>407950>i don't see how there's anything betterIt's in the video you linked. At 6:00, there's a mention of additional restrictions that didn't exist in the past.
>she's also the one who pushed the idol angle more than anyone else in her genAnd yet, she's not the one getting TV promotions, is she?
>quite frankly there are way too many schizoid rrats that you just can't take seriouslyYep. But you should keep them in mind. They're based on actual facts that you shouldn't just forget.
>hololive she joined six years ago is a whole different beast to the hololive of todayThis applies to a lot of companies, actually. They bigger ones get risk adverse and then boring. She's dealing with a mountain of bureaucracy, which would be less of an issue as an indie.
Plus, I've heard the same thing said about Nijisanji.
It's like Doki quitting a company playing Neopets, because she can do that as an indie.
I'm not discarding the Chinese schizo rrat till she streams on Billibilli herself. A lot of creators are not interested in giving out personal info to that company. Considering how long she's been there, she already saw how things went for Haachama and Kson. Somehow, Vox fans from Billibilli got his legal name. This requirement was added after Cover had left China, though, so presumably Cover talents never had to do it.
And about the video you linked:
There's a comment from the clipper themselves about separating graduations from termination. I don't think that means much. If the rules keep changing or increasing, it's only natural that people would break some or refuse to follow the new ones. Plus, some terminations in Cover were treated better than some graduations. For that, whenever possible, I'd recommend watching the people who left or were kicked out to try and get their perspective without the company's moderation.
Unless you want to be an idol or need exposure, being an indie may be better than Hololive atm. Cover has chosen a path and people who don't want to be on it are leaving. What that path is, exactly, is something that may be revealed over time. If it's internal policies and rules, though, we may never find out. Or we may find out after they get a Sayu.
No. 408011
>>407971>Only MagVesEver heard of Holo CN? They all "graduated".
>cold graduation was the talent's decisionWas it mentioned? I didn't see it. I did hear Lando mention that being indie might be a better decision for him and, more recently, that he still wants to try Vtubing. And Randon, at one point, said he was grateful for his time at the company anyways. But he did what he thought would suit him better.
It just needs to be noted that the people who got to post on their company Twitter accounts were very apologetic and showed no negativity towards the Company.
In a stream with Korekore after her termination, Mikeneko mentioned that she couldn't fully explain herself on the official channels because Hololive wouldn't allow it. (Source:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yadVEV-f4&t=2633s&pp=2AHJFJACAQ%3D%3D. Summary in comments.)
If it's on platforms that are completely in control of the employer, it's hard to believe as absolute truth. We don't actually get any details except the result. "Contract was terminated" or "They graduated" isn't a reason or details. And we won't know until sometime decides to pull a Sayu and go into details about the exact problems. Rushia did that to some extent. Unfortunately, unlike Doki or Sayu, she got a friend openly involved who wasn't smart about not leaking her information.
Most statements on platforms controlled by Cover are pretty positive. Just apologies to fans.
FYI, Kiara's former coworker mentioned having to change her resignation letter to look a certain way so she'd be allowed to leave.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RRBV41izmUI&pp=ygUvSmFwYW5lc2UgaWRvbCBpbnRlcnZpZXcgam9leSBiaXppbmdlciBhbmltZSBtYW4%3D20:58 Control over Twitter
25:10 No negativity allowed
29:30 Resignation process
32:20 Control over people after they leave an agency
37:05 Needing approval for content.
38:00 Notice period for leaving.
39:40 "Our rules". I don't think Hololive did a lot of that. Or may we never noticed. They're doing it now with the bureaucracy.
40:45 Gendered expectations and stricter rules for women.
41:15 personal life ("Ao-kun! Just tell people from the beginning that you live at home to avoid a 'male voice' debacle.")
43:45 Expectation to get with no. 1 oshi eventually and perception of purity culture (Any negative connected about FWMC ignoring their male coworkers were removed from the official Hololive channel).
49:30 Very similar to YT - personality over talent
Usually, talent contracts have a clause about following rules, including new ones.
Cover seems to pay them a salary, but their main thing tends to be streaming, and if you can skip the rules and processes and keep all the revenue, being indie may be better. Unless you're the one getting promoted by the company, sticking around may be pointless. Suisei is on TV now, but she was ready to quit at one point. It's also said that Gura and Calli would've graduated a long time ago, but they stuck around for the opportunities. That's why you see them (Calli and Suisei) being understanding of Aqua's decision to leave.
If you're an indie, even if you have staff meetings in between streams, they're working for you. Apart from a lawyer, you don't need to listen to anyone.
Wed know from Kronii that since she initiated, she had to pay for the concert. Do you know who pays for original music? Covers? If it's the talents, they may as well go indie, right?
There's also a mention about underground idols barely lasting a year. The life cycle of a Vtuber is still being discussed. Aqua presumably has 6 years of l savings under her belt. She can leave and be done with at least one issue.
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Have you ever gotten into a game because of your oshi?
No. 408117
>>408082I'm curious as to what your point was with this? I feel like everything is pretty well-known and accepted knowledge, aside from the "terminations and graduations are interchangeable", which is debatable. A lot of words for unclear reasons.
Are you making an anti-corpo statement or…?
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Meanwhile multiple talents, including Rin Penrose, will be leaving idol following its acquistion by brave group.
https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1821351568811143420 No. 408166
>>408139I feel like Idol just became as the best working environment for talents by letting the girls keep their models.
>>356915Rin is indie soon. She's keeping the model. Idk if the streams will be female oriented though.
No. 408190
>>407740His PL PFP has always been that. He actually molded his Hex Niji life to be almost exactly like his PL. that’s why his 2.0 has curly hair, and that’s why his waiting screen is the same water floaty theme as his PL. I watched his PL out of the blue before Niji
Imagine he reincarnates into VShoujo
No. 408228
>>408138I wanted him to rot inside Niji, but still kek good riddance
I can only imagine how dire things are inside the company if its top grifter is leaving
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>>407970>And yet, she's not the one getting TV promotions, is she? and she's the only one who has a visual novel physically released on the Nintendo Switch, and also appears as herself with an actual quest line in Sword Art Online, a series that she loves? if you're implying that she's getting passed over for opportunities in favor of other talents, that's clearly not true.
No. 408365
>>408287Okay. I'm asking if those opportunities are funded by the company or Aqua and her fans. According to Kronii, if you initiate, you pay. Even the stars have VNs. Ninnisanji VN features Selen too. Just because Cover encourages derivative works doesn't mean they bankroll them.
And more importantly:
>Could she do it without Cover? No. 408367
>>408190So get probably retain fans.
>Hex in VshojoI hope not. Not near Michi.
No. 408380
>>408190I really doubt VShojo will reincarnate Hex. A corpo would have to be unsavory to begin with to invite somebody with a track record like his.
I have a feeling he'll stick to his PL and double down on his usual activities without learning. The way he's continuously emulated his PL's branding as Hex always made it feel like that was his endgame– using Niji to boost his following and then pulling out, taking new fans with him.
No. 408381
>>408287Just ignore them. Ever since Selen's termination there's been somebody in these threads popping up at any opportunity to vague/concernfag about Cover being some shadowy overlord. You can always recognize them because their posts all ultimately try to normalize Niji's behavior as a corpo.
My personal rrat is that it's the same person who keeps testing every couple months to see whether nonnas are ready to turn on Selen kek their unhinged rants full of tenuous evidence and typing styles are similar
No. 408431
>>408408Nonna, I didn't make the connection to cosmetic stuff at all till you mentioned it. I thought she just had shit health. That's what I got from the clips anyways. She mentioned health briefly in one of the clips.
>>408375You sound like those "educate yourself" people right now who actually have nothing. I wouldn't actually care but I've seen a lot of shit being flung onto people who left their company, immediately after leaving said company, for no real reason (Sayu and Doki are crazy, MagVes are coomers, Tenma is on drugs, Rushia was insane anyways). And making of a whole new thread for Doki's termination when it didn't go pro-company. This has happened primarily with Hololive and Nijisanji. Just because Cover has a relatively tighter grip on leaks doesn't change that it has fired at least one person because they've become "difficult to support", not even actual rule breaking. Being better than Nijisanji doesn't make them the best. Being better than Nijisanji should be bare minimum at this point.
I wonder if there are hardcore company fans here who make every criticism into shilling for the other company, as if nothing else exists apart from the two companies. There are still companies like Tsunderia, Idol, VShojo etc that have allowed talents to graduate with models.
This is a lot like Chinese exit:
>Cover makes a decision >People who don't agree with the decision leave voluntarily or are forcefully graduated/terminated Holo CN, MagVes, Mel, Temma, are simply no longer in Cover. The difference between graduation and termination, for the viewers, was a warning and a final stream. Mel and Temma has that. MagVes didn't.
And that's without mentioning the people in
>>228392 in
>>>/m/194814It's going to be the second proper graduation in Cover. And some people still had issue with Sana supposedly lying about her reason to leave (health issues).
Aqua's coworkers have already stated that she's frustrated with the new rules.
Inb4 people find a reason to complain about Aqua and her indie form.
(infighting) No. 408496
>>408380he responded to Michi with his main Niji Twitter account. Kuro replied to Hex’s initial tweet and Vshoujo has all thepeople Hex gets along with (Matara, Kuro, Michi, and IronMouse).
Idk maybe he’s dropping hints. VShoujo now debuting more males ig
No. 408518
>>408503they also didn't know that this is the THIRD proper graduation… Coco's was the first, and no one blamed her for leaving because everyone knew that her style of content along with the idol side of hololive just didn't mesh well as things moved forward. Today she's doing great as Kson, and a lot of Holomems still keep in touch with her.
If anything, the reaction to Aqua's graduation is a repeat of Coco's three years ago - everyone's sad and hoping she'd stay, but understanding her decision and wishing her the best.
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>>408518>Coco had a proper graduation Yes. I'm sure she did. I'm sure Kobo will have one too, if she says "Taiwan" on Billibilli.
Or if there's a video of her criticising Cover and talking about her "past" on her alt.
>>408503I wasn't attached to Gamma, so I got confused. My bad.
>Rando was a coomerAnd Magni wasn't? What was his selling point, apart from the model and the omegaverse references?
>This thread always supported RushiaSearch her name in threads 1 to 4. She was supported against Cover exactly once (in the first thread). Rest is neutral/negative. No one here will pick her ex over her.
>Influx of dramabaiting tourists with DokiIt happened with Mikeneko/Mafumafu too. It always happens around graduations or terminations. Or drama. BPD was frequently mentioned with regards to Mikeneko as well. It's just that no one actually dislikes Dokibird/Selen, BPD or not.
>>408500>VT says Aqua was secretly terminatedI don't think she was terminated. I think she peacefully signed her exit contract and will focus on the part of her reasoning that doesn't pit her against "best girl" Yagoo too much. Until she reincarnates in VShojo or as an indie, at least.
I made a prediction. More graduations/terminations. Because Cover's new "direction" and "rules" will spark a lot of "creative differences" and make people "difficult to support".
Creative differences doesn't mean much if you're leaving Cover despite wanting to be an idol (as
>>407950 implies while mentioning her solo concerts). FYI: it's code for "I don't wanna talk about it, but I'm out". May or may not involve NDA. The point of being here is we get to speculate about "creative differences" without getting sued, as we could've been in Japan.
Image source:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CreativeDifferences No. 408689
>>408667Lando, not Rando. You're mixing him up with Randon which again makes me wonder why you keep going in so hard on subject matter you clearly have no familiarity with. If you'd been here regularly, you'd also have seen the opinion that Magni was only good because Cover put such heavy restrictions on the shit Lando could do and talk about.
Rushia was heavily defended here when the mafumafu allegations came out– in fact this mighht be the only place I remember seeing multiple people agree that she may have been a
victim in the situation. You don't realize this because you've self admitted to only knowing this general's history through present day cursory skimming, which is strange cosidering you repeatedly try to talk asf you're one of us and have been around watching the trends.
Give up. You've fucked up and fallen flat on your face here too many times and revealed yourself as a tourist who not only doesn't understand the general tone of this general, but also barely understands Holo's history. You're not convinving anybody here.
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>>408667Kek
Anyways eboy gf ao to cleanse the retardation
No. 408700
>>408690This is like Nyfco all over again. Will there be thirstposting as well?
>>408689>Getting a moid's name wrong = you're wrong about everything>Ignores the Coco Taiwan incident completely>"Rushia was defended against Mafumafu"Actually, there were some unsaged posts (presumably from Mafumafu fans) against her. They stood out.
>Ignores 4 threads of people using Rushia's name negatively>Talks about Holo's history but refuses to acknowledge Cover screwing up with Coco in CN>"Restrictions are good" >Ignores clips of Suisei talking about Aqua being annoyed with increased restrictions in Cover and quitting because it wouldn't be resolved>Calls others tourist while refusing to sage>>408678If you have correct information, go ahead and include it.
I see a Company with a new "direction" that won't suit many employees.
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>>408690Easily the best post in the past month.
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>>408700Yawn pointless and pedantic
No. 408857
>>408770>PedanticKek
Congratulations on learning a new word,
nonnie. It doesn't actually fit, FYI. A more accurate description of this situations would be ad hominem.
See you after Aqua reincarnates.
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I'm all about anons watching whatever vtuber they want. I follow some vtubers who are somewhat coomer and probably wouldn't be appreciated here.
But it feels like every few weeks, someone in here comes and acts surprised that FWMC are being coomerish again. Hasn't that… been their whole schtick since debut? Like, the 'protect your smiles' thing? Loving H games and anime? The baby voices? Reposting ecchi fanart despite being sisters?
No. 409217
>>409188As someone pointed out, they're like Teletubbies for the most part. It feels like a cute, kids friendly thing with sisters and you can lie to yourself that, “Oh! They're so wholesome .”
Then they do something like being completely silent when stars come up (and it was probably planned) plus Cover actually keeps the 'protecting their smiles' comments but deletes anything negative.
Their brand looks and sounds cute till that point. Of course people are suprised. The jokes about marrying then are just jokes until that moment.
>Loving H stuff Does not makes you a coomer,
nonnie.
No. 409225
>>409188I get what you mean but haters are going to hate especially when a notable event like 3D comes up. It is what it is.
Personally I really liked their physicality, I think you can tell they twins have spent a lot of time observing real idols. Their content still really isn't for me, but I do kinda root for them because Holo feels like the place for them– I really can't see them succeeding in life if it weren't for the advent of vtubing and Holo picking them up lol.
Nerissa similarly had super cute 3D mannerisms.
That being said, with a new round of 3D debuts in the mix: what 3D live is your favorite (to all nonnas that frequent this thread)?
I can't consider myself a fan of the boys as I mostky watch the girls, but I think Bettel's is still probably the most impressive one I've watched so far. Just really well scripted and capitalized well on a good entertainer's best aspects, plus he turned outna great vocal performance. My only nitpick would be the lack of decent choreo for an alleged idol but that's not a complaint unique to him.
No. 409333
>>409256If you want a Nijisanji song that actually sounds good, I'll link one. It at least does justice to their vocals.
Compared to Clause's PL covers, this feels like a step down. He should have "just asked" for a better song. If they were gonna make originals, they should've at least let the ones who can sing show off their actual range with some proper singing parts.
No. 409353
>>409225Agreed. I've got nothing against them
(even though I do find their speech patterns cringe, kek) It's just their retarded moid fanbase who pushes this whole "heckin' wholesome doggos" makes them unbearable to watch for me (alongside their desperation to reach a million subscribers by the end of this year for some reason)
No. 409376
>>409353Same to everything you said. I watch FWMC morning once in a while and do check their stream backlog for the times they showcase games typically rarer to Western audiences. But their fanbase is completely insufferable– Ruffians love to use FWMC to put down other girls in the agency they're allegedly fans of. Moids are so stupidly petty and
toxic kek
No. 409383
>>409377Yeah it's not really anyone's fault since
>age gap with the other two>gender difference, there's an effect even in online woke spaces>had already close friendships with others in Niji>doesn't have any common interests or topics to talk about on or off streamAt the beginning I was worried he would be the one left behind but the other two are left in the dust now. Kunai just soft quit and Victoria streams regularly but doesn't have much of a strong presence in Niji. I wish he would hang out with Victoria as she seems to actually want to work here unlike Kunai but you can't force chemistry on live streams I guess. If they had a debut song (that they sang) they would at least have something they worked on together and the girls would have at least one project under their names. I doubt either of them will be in ENcounter. Even if they don't want to, their managers should push them to join in some projects tbh, at least to get their names out there some more. At least Victoria, I don't know if Kunai will ever stream again. Sorry for the rambling but the state of the newer gens really showed me how NijiEN's earlier waves really pulled themselves up all by themselves. They had more proactive livers when they scouted non streamers somehow.
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Keekihime was assaulted by a stalker during Comiket. Unfortunately he escaped and the police won’t do anything about it.
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>>409403apparently he's also approached her at the airport, has previously tried to kiss her at comiket and has been stalking her since her NND days (aka when she was a teenager). when the airport incident happened the police told her there's nothing they can do unless he does something like attack her with a knife. disgusting. he's well known for going to parties/get togethers and basically wine/dine and dashing too. it's insane how much info and previous offenses are known and this guy still gets to live freely.and of course he privated his twitter when people found him( and has been known for making tons of new accounts to bother her and beg for forgiveness in the past). i wonder if she can get any help from cover, even though this didn't happen to "kiara", the optimist in me hopes she could at least get local help and support from the managers or staff
No. 409417
>>409026It still doesn't sit right with me how they're still sexual and incestuous while being this infantile.
>>409217At a point in the VN membership stream they're shown offering a "two for one" deal to the viewer. It's not just the stars thing.
>>409225Bettel + pole dance collab, hands down.
No. 409423
>>409392>Even if she was JapaneseI think it would be worse if she was Japanese. At least with gaijin, they need to pretend to care.
https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20201217-ousting-of-councillor-prompts-concern-over-silencing-sexual-assault-victims-in-japan
>>409415>He's known to dine and dash Why and how is this information available? Is he a public figure?
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>>409423i didn't know about this guy until now, but apparently he is a bit infamous since NND days. i saw at least 3 people mention he'd show up uninvited and not pay, and someone in keeki's replies even said he's known for touching dogs butts (?? i'm not entirely sure on that one). most of this is more like info known to people in certain nnd circles, so the only proof is them having pictures of him and alleged stories, but it doesn't seem far fetched since he seems insane
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>>409427samefag, here's one of her followers mentioning the dog butt thing and how her stalker is well known for being a crazy dude. once people put out his name there were a lot of replies basically going oh THAT guy? so i think he has a bit of a reputation even outside of being a disgusting stalker
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>>409217We can take or leave the word 'coomer', then, but as far as I can tell, since debut, they have pandered toward people who want to have sex with a set of twin sister dog girls. Sorry if that sounds rough but that's been the context to me from day 1.
Maybe it's just because I'm chronically online and grew up watching anime way too young, but to me they're 'innocent' in the way that a lot of eroge will have a cover with happy, smiling anime girls and pink and flowers, and then school uniforms angled up just a liiittle too high. It's 'innocent' in a way that's supposed to encourage depravity.
Look at picrel, this was on their schedule one week and they always post stuff like this. It looks 'innocent' at first glance with the pastel colors, but then you notice the boobs mashed together and the 'come here' hand and so on.
Idk if I sound schizophrenic but I just don't understand when anons come on here and go 'they were so good until the moids ruined them!' A captive moid audience was their endgame from day 1 imo. Anons should watch whoever they want but I can guarantee there's gonna be plenty more pandering and ecchi.
No. 409616
>>409457Yeah, no. Absolutely no. I don’t know about Gura, but Biboo is perfectly okay since she doesn’t pander nor coomerfies herself. Having a loli model isn’t an automatic pedopander, I enjoy watching small girls play as if they were my little sisters.
FWMC on the other hand are 30 year olds playing into toddler and innocent stuff while constantly making their tits bounce or insinuate their love for hentai shit. It’s a hundred times more pedopandering than just looking like a little girl playing videogames.
(whiteknighting) No. 409625
>>409616>FWMC are over 30.>Biboo is also over 30. >Gura is still in her 20s.>Boobs ≠ pedopandering>Loli ≠ little sisterYou also gonna accuse teens with boobs of asking for it? Fuck off.
>>409620She said she didn't ask for it. You got context.
No. 409631
>>409620Your point being…?
>>409625Take your fucking medicine. A teen with boobs is different from a baby-talking 30 yo showing you her panties and making incest bait.
I don’t care how old they are, we don’t give a pass to coquettes for sexualizing childhood while being almost 30, kek.
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Possibly unpopular opinion but I think some loli characters really lean into the loli archetype, and some just act like normal streamers. The ones who act like normal streamers are okay to me, even if I'd prefer them to have an older model.
Tenma would 100% be a loli if voiced by anyone else. I mean, look at her. The original artist must have been intending for her to be a loli??
No. 409679
>>409667Now point to me where I said she doesn't infantilizes herself? I said she doesn't panders to coomers.
Pretending to be a child and doing coomer pandering are two different things.
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>>409679>Pretending to be a child and doing coomer pandering are two different things.How lolcow has fallen that we have retards like these..
No. 409691
>>409683Is your argument that children characters can’t exist in media adults watch because it’s automatically pedophilic? Holy fuck.
>>409688“Everyone I don’t agree with is a moid”. Moids love shit like what FWMC shits out, c’mon now.
No. 409700
>>409698I’m not even a pebble and don’t watch her besides events, you retard. I just have an issue with people implying everything a woman does is sexual. She has been given a loli model by COVER and she plays her role.
She has no voice in what her fanbase does, it’s not like she’s another Gura liking her porn fanart. If she does then I apologize and shut up, so far there’s no evidence other than an accessory she said she didn’t want and “muh loli model”.
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>>409700>>409616>but Biboo is perfectly okay since she doesn’t pander nor coomerfies herself. Bijou:
>>409620>I’m not even a pebble and don’t watch her besides eventsKek keep malding pedofag
No. 409836
>>409700She said she didn't ask for the accessory, not that it was unwanted. It was something anticipated by and delivered to her fanbase. And she certainly seems enthusiastic enough about it given how often I've seen her using it. You have to be dense not to connect the way she utilizes her model to the general behaviors of vtuber culture. Like the other nonna said, there's a reason why she's being singled out here and not some of the other Holo girls with similarly young models.
I am curious what nonnas' comparative opinion on Kobo is, though. She similarly uses a young voice in accordance to her models looks, but I don't get as much of a pandering vibe from her. It's not like I believe that's her actual IRL voice and personality, but it does feel more innocently like an annoying younger sibling character. Undecided on whether that's because she collabs with the Stars (notably Altare) which is a pretty direct middle finger to the worst subtype of vtuber fan.
No. 409843
>>409842It doesn't have to be a race thing. The point is that they're clearly capable of speaking perfectly comprehensible English, especially if you watch videos of their past life, but they choose to talk like they have speech impediments or developmental delay. Fluent meaning correct adult speaker enunciation, not fluent meaning white vs. Asian or whatever.
I think theyre doing it because a lot of weeb males are afraid of intelligent adult women, and prefer docile stupid teen or loli girls, and FWMC knows this. You could argue whether this is a malicious attempt to pander to the pedophile-adjacent, or if they're just emulating what they see in the anime culture they're fond of and think it's cute. Regardless, I don't think they're idiots, and I think their choices and branding are intentional, even if I don't agree with them.