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First off: You're based as hell.
With that out of the way:>I draw femdom as well as a good amount of 'traditional' sexual interactions (female pleasuring male), which I generally believe is where the main turn off for women lies.
It's mostly how your women look. Most women like het art where the woman is very plain, "nonthreatning," and easier to project upon, if not outright POV/faceless woman, etc. I, personally like seeing beautiful couples (Especially het) and all kinds of good pinup art like yours. We need more artist like you.
1414486>It must be a western mindset, there is only one winner. There is no art "community" because the majority of artists are insecure immature babies who aren't capable of being happy for anyone but themselves
Easterners have better drawing culture. It's treated as a viable hobby and tradeskill, and doesn't exist on our "not a real job"/"a divine talent" polarity. I think the only drama that exists resemble more inter-hobby drama you'd get out of a community, especially those tied to fandom. It used to be like that on the Western side before social media took off.
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>>1414279>but Asian fan communities do seem to be better and friendlier
I don't know about that, it's because of the language barrier that we don't really see "drama". Some asian accounts straight up delete their entire existence because of drama and harassment, Pyohato comes to mind. He was harassed off the internet and deleted his entire gallery because people thought he ripped off Mogeko/Funamusea style even though they're both generic westaboo anime art as in angular and simplified. There was also threesibo (korean) who was harassed on their youtube for months account until they finally gave up and stopped posting. They didn't delete anything but you get the idea.
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>>1414660>Easterners have better drawing culture. It's treated as a viable hobby and tradeskill, and doesn't exist on our "not a real job"/"a divine talent" polarity.
Lots of mangakas I like has talked about how their parents tried to stop them from becoming mangakas. I still think there is a stigma from becoming a full time artist even in Asian countries>>1414686
Asian artists are notorious for deleting their socials whenever they get involved in drama. Whenever it is they get accused for tracing like picrel or ththey recive any form for criticism
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Oh god that shit was so retarded, I wonder why no artists back then defended her.>>1414741
She was literally just using references or in some cases copy-pasted small background parts from stock images and the japanese 2008 version of cancellers "outed" her for that.http://yunomipdatabase.blog135.fc2.com/blog-entry-16.html
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wow this is some turbo autism
I used to talk with a main code guy for NG few years ago, and despite agreeing with me the site needs an option to simplify posting ala twitter where you just post the image with text, you still have to compile a page of options for just one image
It's dated and it decided to stay dated
I hate NG for the same reason as reddit, I literally do not understand how it works and it seems to be a pain to navigate through.
Also even when I search for characters I like and go through the horror of finding out which of the results are art related there are maybe three badly drawn pics. Why should anybody move to that shithole?
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I know I'm preaching to some of the choir here, but I'm sick of shit like this (found this on LinkedIn). Like cool, now game studios will have even less incentive to pay in-house artists. 3D artists and asset designers have always been paid like ass and always the first to be laid off in the first place, and now these tech scrote studio heads will go "WELL LOOK we whipped these up in 30 minutes, artists are redundant, let's cut costs."
Second note, regarding picrel, some of the bottles are pretty, but does anyone else feel like AI art is always just…TOO overdesigned? There's something about it I don't like, like there's just too many uneccessary lines/details weaving all over everything. Does anyone else know what I mean?
>>1415936> Second note, regarding picrel, some of the bottles are pretty, but does anyone else feel like AI art is always just…TOO overdesigned? There's something about it I don't like, like there's just too many uneccessary lines/details weaving all over everything. Does anyone else know what I mean?
Yes; that's why it's so easy to pinpoint. The AI has no sense of intention, and the techbros preaching it have no idea about what actually makes things appealing, let alone can barely use the lasso tool.
It'll revolutionize gaming, alright; the market will be even more flooded with asset flipping games that all look the same with no distinct style or sense of consistent worldbuilding. AI shit is about to be the next programmer art.
>>1415944>l no distinct style or sense of consistent worldbuilding.
Lead designer will probably have to put more work into making sure the style is consistent or the algorithm with need to be fed specific styles for whatever they’re working on-
I’m interested to see how other programs will advance, be able to detect certain prompts, or what artworks were used as reference in AI work and the lawsuits which will follow because I don’t think any artist would actually want their work fed unless paid
It's exactly what >>1416072
said. Usually, it's assumed the programmer can't draw, but also can't always find the right assets to fit their vision so they bite the bullet and try to make something. It usually only exists as a placeholder since better art can be swapped out later with very little adjustments especially if the programmer is an artist, and just needs something there until they can nail the feeling of the game.
Only difference between programmer art and the AI is that the former actually has a charm to it, especially if there's some untapped talent.
This is reminding me how the game industry created a huge wedge between programmers and artists, who were often the same people and were the ones who shaped much of the more iconic parts of gaming and overall UI development. There's always been this weird thing against artists in the industry despite titles relying on them so heavily since text-only games are incredibly niche.>>1416089
I actually think this is what's going to lead to the burnout against AI. People like art for the design, but love it for the human behind it.
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I am doing my loomis heads and having fun, but i still cant understand color. Any good resources about color theory and how to make color palettes?
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This was on the twitter hate thread but I think it’s relevant here. I don’t care if you draw sexy women but don’t go claiming it’s empowering.
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I saw this on Twitter yesterday. It doesn't really read like she was calling her art empowering, Jasmin seems to just hate the fact that she was being labelled a "bad feminist" for drawing pinup and I agree with her.
Obv responding to >>1416751
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I was never comparing her to scrotes. Who cares anyway she’s a troon caper.
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somewhat on the topic of >>1416741
but her art and is so boring. I am so tired of generic pretty girl standing, whenever i see her art i just think ''eh, looks nice'' and then forget about it. How can people draw the same thing over and over and not get bored? You can still draw cute/pretty girls and make it interesting, like pic rel. It's like they dont even try.
If she truly cares so much about women like any other feminist then she's yet to be peaked
it's not uncommon that women simply havent been exposed to troon degeneracy, just a reminder
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kek what a way of getting all worked up because of a meme caption
Why didn't she just clarify instead of arguing about how "ermmm i know hunny i know". You can't give out snarky responses and act like a victim
of le evil femnism
Why are anons even taking sides? they're both retarded
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Is referencing off of others considered art theft? I've seen some people argue that it's only art theft if it's traced.
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Nah.. This idiot is upset that the women aren't ugly for the most part or aren't wearing accurate armor which are really dumb arguments and which was their first argument. It's a drawing.
This is so stupid; no one should be obligated to draw anything they don't want to draw just to be a "good feminist" or whatever the fuck else.
This is like people who get angry at you for not drawing enough POC
or fat people etc. There's no faster way to hate drawing that to feel like you have to draw for an audience or to virtue signal.
As usual there are men drawing disgusting child porn all over that people could worry about, but who gets blamed and attacked instead? A woman. It's always a fucking woman for not meeting some
standard, every single time. So tired of it.>>1416813
As if there aren't plenty of Asian artists drawing the same thing over and over again. I swear some of you really fetishize these people when at the end of the day they are not some superior breed of human; many of them also pump out self-indulgent, one-note garbage just like Westerners do.
Give me one reason why people should stop drawing what they find fun
Not everyone sees art as a job or something you have to be amazing at
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why so mad, did i touch a nerve? i think its really pathetic if you dont step out of your comfort zone because you are scared of trying something new and ''difficult''. You can draw generic disney girls standing in a white background forever if you want but most people are going to forget about it, it's literally just twitter feed clutter. I am not even saying have to draw like yoh yoshinari, but at least try something different, even pic rel which is just a generic girl standing is made a million times more interesting with a background. Taking my ''infighting'' ban now.
NTA but not everyone draws to impress others, build a following or something similar, sometimes you just want to grab a pen and scribble something, art is on human's nature.
Why did you took it so personally, there are lots of artists out there go find the thousands that don't make generic animu art kek But if writting paragraphs make you feel better…
I didn't know it was called like that I always did it with my RPGmaker game because background art takes time so it was the last thing I did and I just used shittily drawn placeholders for it to see if the game and shading works. >>1416779
I draw samey stuff on paper or beermats to chill or for fun but only upload the special stuff on twitter where I challenge myself to make it look impressive somehow.
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you are the one who made it personal. I was talking about jasmin's art which is just generic girls standing in the void and then responding to anon who said that the picture looked''hard'' and thats why she didnt want to try. I just think its such a waste to draw such a cute character and it meaning nothing, with a background or a better pose she could be a cute fairy with a personality who tells a story or something, like this she just looks like a cosplayer. Its boring.
There are background specialty artists for a reason, character designers, storyboarders.. Is the idea of someone preferring to draw one thing over another that much of a nerve
to you? NTA, but you just sounds like some idiot who just got in to art school.
Honestly aren't most of the boring accounts you talk about either coomer shit or flavor-of-the-month accounts that only draw moe and what's popular now to get followers?
It's the hobby artists that do not draw for money that do the great complex stuff, because they love art and want to create pretty art of the series they are fan of.
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Seethe more, if allah wants someone to draw this then let them
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>>1417927>Honestly aren't most of the boring accounts you talk about either coomer shit or flavor-of-the-month accounts that only draw moe and what's popular now to get followers?
thats why i said its feed clutter, jasmine darnell posts like 5 times a day so i guess she's more into quantity=quality.>It's the hobby artists that do not draw for money that do the great complex stuff, because they love art and want to create pretty art of the series they are fan of.
yeah, most artists i like only post like once a month
No seriously, AND?
Yeah sure drawing the same thing over and over and never getting out of your comfort zone is uninspired and repetitive.
So what? It's not for you. You have main character syndrome. Move along.
diff anon here but i also think drawing girls standing in a blank background is lazy but i follow a lot of artists who do it so eh what do i know. if the anatomy and rendering is good i'll appreciate the artistry of that. btw who is the artist of that piece, i love the colors.
i think the issue lies in never trying to do something new. i think by doing so you improve faster or at least that's what i've observed in myself and watching others.
what anon says here >>1417881
is also true. i think if you genuinely love doing art you're not worrying about impressing people or want to build a following from it. that also should be considered because a piece's value shouldn't be judge by how many likes it has received. some people wanna draw simplistic stuff and that's okay. obviously if it's a shitty drawing drawn on a white background than it's bad but i think jasmin's art has some merit and artistry to it despite there not being a background
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>>1418199>btw who is the artist of that piece, i love the colors.
I just think its a waste really, she can do whatever she wants with her art obviously, but i think her characters are wasted standing on an empty background. I like my art to at least try to evoque something in people, but considering her fanbase(moids and troons) they dont care at all and just want to coom.
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>>1416755>She doesn't read as pickme libfem
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nah the issue was with you putting asian people on a pedestal and then posting generic mid-tier moe anime art as proof while judging people for making art for fun as if you're some elevated connoisseur with high-class tastes.
if you posted anime art like 寿 なし子 or tabi whose work has actual meaning and uses interesting palettes or lighting, that would be one thing, but you're trying to construct some kind of ivory tower for yourself when your tastes are every bit as uninspired and generic as what you're criticizing.
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does tabi's work look "dark" and "deep"? way to miss the point, but by all means please continue to consume generic-moe-girl-on-overly-rendered-background#3094804958 and think you're some kind of genius.
yeah, jasmin's art is pretty one note, which who fucking cares, but the fact that you think art is automatically "improved" just because it has a shiny, colorful background of is really telling on yourself and just how amateur your knowledge and tastes are.
guess what, the more you understand composition and color, the more you are able to appreciate all kinds of art for whatever its purpose. keep working honey, you'll get there someday.
I could've sworn that there was a critique thread at some point in the catalog, maybe on one of the other boards though. Dunno how much I'd want to participate given the current quality of discussion in this thread though.
And it's pretty easy to stay anon if you don't post your shit to social media.
do you think every anon who has called you a moron thus far has been the same person?
keep leaning on jasmin as a crutch when the real problem is you don't have the artistic fundamentals to understand or appreciate white space, values, or a competent sketch. replace jasmin's work with any skilled artist making black-and-white pieces and you'll still whine and bitch because you've made it clear you look at art like a baby looks at a shiny mobile.
this is the art salt thread so thanks for giving me fodder; the general public's taste is bottom-of-the-barrel like yours and that's fine, but i can't understand why these shiny, glistening, overly-rendered moe faces with poor values are so popular. it's like the illustration version of overprocessed nature photography. yeah sure it looks nice on the surface but there's a reason it's one of the easiest things for AI to generate well.
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>>1418384>white space, values, or a competent sketch. replace jasmin's work with any skilled artist making black-and-white pieces and you'll still whine and bitch because you've made it clear you look at art like a baby looks at a shiny mobile.
I never said that, i was specifically talking about pretty girls standing in white spaces >>1417867> I am not even saying have to draw like yoh yoshinari, but at least try something different, even pic rel which is just a generic girl standing is made a million times more interesting with a background.
Then nonas took it personally and started reeing about muh drawing for myself and other nonsense that i never said you couldnt do. All of the examples were of pretty girls but made more insteresting by giving them backgrounds and different poses/perspective, unlike Jasmine who just draws the same shit over and over endlessly. Seriously, this thread is so retarded sometimes, you will go to great lenghts to justify mediocrity because, in this threads words >>1416793
''its just easy, drawing backgrounds is hard'' which is lame and pathetic, if you cant even draw a fucking background because you are scared then how can you be capable of creating something something competent or that evokes something, pure cope by lazy artists that just want to stay in their comfort zones forever.
i forgot to add >>1416779>I am so tired of generic pretty girl standing, whenever i see her art i just think ''eh, looks nice'' and then forget about it>You can still draw cute/pretty girls and make it interesting, like pic rel
which shows my original complain was about artists that just draw pretty girls like loish/jasmine, etc.
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good job rewriting history i guess considering the fact that when people gave their opinions disagreeing with yours you just doubled down and insulted people as if everyone criticizing your dumb comments means they all draw like jasmin.
you fetishized asian artists, whined numerous times now about a lack of backgrounds and about people drawing for their own satisfaction, and then posted completely generic, uninspired animu art three times in a row thinking it proved your point.
yeah, her work is also uninspiring, but you can't let it go because a competent sketch of a pretty girl on a blank background can never compare to the grand artistry of a moe girl on a sparkly
background in your mind. apparently it's fine for you to ignore people's points and throw out petty insults but it's transparently clear you're the one lacking here in artistic vision dear, not the other anons who called you out.
here's some sketches on white bg you can look at for a little bit and maybe eventually you'll figure out why not every art piece needs to look like lisa frank and why white space isn't "always just meh." gl
>>1418440>good job rewriting history i guess considering the fact that when people gave their opinions disagreeing with yours you just doubled down and insulted people as if everyone criticizing your dumb comments means they all draw like jasmin.
never insulted anyone, otherwise i would be banned for infighting>you fetishized asian artists, whined numerous times now about a lack of backgrounds and about people drawing for their own satisfaction, and then posted completely generic, uninspired animu art three times in a row thinking it proved your point.
yeah because asian artists can actually draw interesting pretty girls that arent just standing in a background and are interacting with an environment, which was my point and why i posted images of pretty girls which i found interesting. Again, making it all about yourself when it isnt and ignoring my original point.>yeah, her work is also uninspiring, but you can't let it go because a competent sketch of a pretty girl on a blank background can never compare to the grand artistry of a moe girl on a sparkly background in your mind. apparently it's fine for you to ignore people's points and throw out petty insults but it's transparently clear you're the one lacking here in artistic vision dear, not the other anons who called you out.
her art is clearly not sketches, you called me an idiot but you cant even understand the difference between a sketch and a finished piece. Just because they arent painted doesnt make them a sketch, thats clearly just her style.>here's some sketches on white bg you can look at for a little bit and maybe eventually you'll figure out why not every art piece needs to look like lisa frank and why white space isn't "always just meh." gl
again, it was never about art as whole, just about pretty girl artists and artists that never get out of their comfort zone. The fact that you cant see the difference between obvious STUDY sketches and actual finished art is astounding. I have a lot of b/w sketches and other type of art, but i havent posted them because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POINT. jesus christ you are so dense, and also please integrate that ''ummm sweaty akshually'' tone is really cringy outside of reddit, you arent going to get upvotes for your ''gotchas'' here.
libfems don't understand that men hold societal power over women, and men are the reason for female inequality. the existence of sex work, for example, exists only because men have the power to turn women into sexual objects. libfems don't question male power, where it comes from, and how men affect how women see themselves (thus affecting our choices)
lib feminism is fluffy do whatever makes you feel good UwU, it doesn't work towards any type of real change
kek at least the nona who sounds like has evoqued
in me some second-hand embarrassment>>1418409>which shows my original complain was about artists that just draw pretty girls like loish/jasmine, etc.
yeah, I'll probably be forever salty about how Loish went a bit backwards. Years ago it always felt like she had something new to show, an interesting composition/scene/color scheme or something. Now it's all just sameface girl with a certain color palette.
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fucks me up when some rando painterly lolibait artist gets up to 1k likes. Bonus points that the finger proportion is so odd. >>1418451>>187240
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How stupid to complain about lack of background on a character art.
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The point is that it is totally fine if a character art lacks background, it is the character itself that should provide information on the "context".
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Akiya Kageichi, one of my favourite artists and biggest inspiration at the time.
"Pretty girls standing" can be fun and inspiring.
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I know, I just wanted to spam more art Nonnie
shoujo and josei.
there's plenty of anime and manga targeted at women and girls that have realistic depictions because the art is drawn by women. "a sign of affection" is a popular one right now and both the female lead and her best friend have normal proportions.
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Not trying to infight, just want to ask if any anon here also hates drawing backgrounds and how you got over that if at all?
I love drawing people and characters I like because it feels fun bringing them to "life". When I attempt to draw backgrounds I don't feel like I'm bringing a bookcase or whatever I'm drawing for the background to "life" because it's an inanimate object and that removes the fun for me.
I love works like picrel but when I try to imagine myself drawing something similar I feel like I'd be very bored and wouldn't even know where to start tbh. Maybe it's because I'm still a beginner.
[especially this one where the girl doesn't even match the background at all and the artist couldn't be bothered to blend the two to make it seem like it's not just lazy and using water brushes that don't match the lining of the girl]
Why do you care so much if other people don't give a damn about full photos? I honestly don't like any of the ones you posted. It's not my taste. You're arguing over taste for no reason. You aren't changing anyone's mind who doesn't care if there are backgrounds or not. Just move on and follow your slow updaters.
Try not to go crazy when you're just starting to do it. Backgrounds like those are similar to the busy designs of characters like >>1419016
They can look really good when properly thought out or utterly terrible and clustered when thrown together without much thought.
Slow down and think about the bigger picture first, populate it with smaller, more detailed objects after you have the larger structures in place. Basically draw the larger objects in the background first and then work your way down to the smaller ones until your satisfied with the image.
>When I attempt to draw backgrounds I don't feel like I'm bringing a bookcase or whatever I'm drawing for the background to "life" because it's an inanimate object and that removes the fun for me.
Think about how the inanimate object compliments the character in the image. What usefulness does it serve to the character or what purpose does it serves in that character's world?
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This video unlocked my mind about backgrounds, I hope it helps you!
Especially the bit about thinking of background as characters.
This was sort of my question too anon and I got >>1419168
for pretty good answers. Looks like there’s art like that out there. >>1419300
Culture of art especially these days is to consume but not consider.
People see something very good and can't grasp that someone made it because they can't make it. Something "that good" doesn't exist as a persons creation it just exists.
"Sorry I didn't know someone made it" I've seen before. So many pictures float around sourcelessly to add to someone's aesthetic or online collection that the disconnect gulf is almost insurmountable.
If you look up the words ”女性向け” (josei muke) you will get results 'for women'. Yeah it sucks to have to type in this to get shit that's not creep filled, but this'll work.
There's also ”腐向け” for fujos, that'll give you BL results if you want it.
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Is this real watercolor or digital made? The artist posted he works with watercolor before but also does digital, maybe its both? i have never seen watercolor look this good and detailed, i love it.
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>>1419389>this piece is fairly simple when it comes to level of detail really
is working with watercolor that easy? that beach looks absolutely stunning to me. I found this from his twitter so it is real watercolor!. Speaking of which, does anyone have good watercolor tutorials? now i wanna give it a try.
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Hate to see an otherwise cute piece ruined by a few details should i edit out the troon shit and repost it
Likely Yoichi Nishikawa since he's been doing workshops teaching this technique. The main benefit to using nicker poster paint + the specific paper here is cost (both are cheap in Japan) and speed/smoothness of gradation once the paper is soaked with water. The paper is thick enough handle staying wet while repeatedly worked into for lifting the clouds and getting that effect. A lot of the gradation also comes from that wide brush that's worked over the paint while clean and dry.
If you're talking about the painting set that's sold at the Ghibli museum that's holbein watercolor, not nicker.
the infighting has been silly and baity imo.
Meaning can just be the message and it can just be the way it communicates the design, to be used by a 3d artist or whoever is next in the pipeline.>>1419463
That single letter makes me go apeshit so much. I see a very tasteful artwork of a vulva, then I see "tdick".
This fits with my theory that mediocre/amateur artists have a much easier time making money off their art, and receiving praise from people. Think of artists like Baylee Jae and Lavendertowne.
When an artist is at a Professional level, a disconnect happens between the viewer. Artists at a certain level become unrelatable, and thus viewers can only look in. It's like how people watching a football game will yell at players if they mess up, as if they could ever play football on a pro level. Same with musicians. The artist becomes a performer there to entertain, not a fellow peer creating.
This would explain many observations I made. I noticed that there are so many (sorry) very amateurish artists that draw the same bland poses and cartoony bodytypes that claim they are selling out in hours.
It cannot be the price, because most of them ask for shockingly high sums. One I know wants 170 Euro/Dollar for one of her copy-pasted adoptables that are all the same funkopop-like chibi with different skins but she claims to sell them.
Maybe a lie maybe not. But I noticed too that people rarely engage with artists once they have reached a certain level. Even beautiful art that gets 1000 retweets has often 0 comments, meanwhile something that look only slightly better than Ecstasy A.K.A. "Darks" seems to gain replies. Usually by artist that are on the same level so you are mostly likely right.
As the other anon said, if an artwork is pretty or professional they just assume that it pops into existence without a creator and at best you will sooner or later see your stuff as an avatar somewhere (though I admit that this at least cool).
To be fair, I think the comments aspect relates also to how much an artist interacts with their fanbase.
I find that popular artists who respond to all or most of the feedback they receive are the type to receive comments regularly. As much as it might suck, being a successful artist on social media often entails cultivating a community.
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why do people shit on Loomis so much? Is it /ic/ tards? I checked his books and i think they are super begginer friendly, also they are free.
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I'm personally really enjoying my Galaxy tab s6 lite. I'm also q hobbyist, and it has been perfect for me. I wish I had CSP in it, but I couldn't crack it for Android, so I bought infinite painter on a sale and it's pretty damn good, I really like the brush variety and have even made my own by now. I wasn't super into the UI at first but you get used to it.
Also not sure if relevant, but I bought a paper like film and a Wacom titanium nib on AliExpress that worked perfectly for the s pen. I love the texture and the pen doesn't get a dull nib in like 4 hours!
Professional artists don’t get money off internet alone, and in my experience they don’t want to use it as an income source, smartly so.
As another anon pointed out, getting replies and clout requires interacting with fanbase and curating it, which most pros don’t do.
I used it with Clip Studio and I found that the line quality was jittery, there was a slight lag to every stroke I did, imprecise as the cursor didn't quite correspond to where the pen touched the screen, and the pen itself was kind of unpleasant to use in terms of holding it and how it glided on the surface of the screen. All these things together just made it frustrating to use. The first iPad Pro/Apple Pencil was released around the same time, I was weighing my options between the two devices and it made sense to me to pick the Surface Pro since the iPad Pro didn't quite have the same ecosystem as it does today. Was that a mistake. I use an iPad Pro/Apple Pencil now and it's like magic in comparison.
I mean, it was a quality machine if you wanted a Windows tablet but if you bought it for digital art I think you would be disappointed. I've heard artists say they exclusively use Wacoms, Huions, XP-Pens and iPads or whatever but I've never really heard one say they use a Surface Pro.
does anyone else have more vids of people drawing that arent speedpaints? like this. I am trying to learn how to paint>>1421670
you dont have to draw form imagination, you can always build a moodboard with refs and work from there
Always draw with purpose/subject matter in mind, you will never experience burnout. Don't just open a blank document and blindly doodle.
Drawing from imagination simply means having an idea in your head and making it real. It doesn't mean you have to know how to draw everything without references. Once you have an idea you want to draw, the best thing you can do is create a moodboard and gather tons of references
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Does anyone have proof/screenshots that Remy Boydell faked being transfemale and their interest in fictional cp?
I like their stuff but its sad to see them being a degenerate.
I would suggest trying to find archived streams.
Some are speedpaints but there are realtime streams here toohttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2tU3jX2rJ1Mx7qxNIzY66g/videos
2 the artist here has some interesting notes (in chinese, try using the google translate app on your phone) and refshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEdBX-rA7yg
I found these links through ic but try searching for japanese/korean live streams on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqpVKzuiXM
this guy also does breakdowns of painting processes
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does anyone know the best/cheapest option for a shortcut remote/extended keypad thing you can use for hotkeys on a PC? using my actual keyboard at the same time as my giant ass tablet makes me hunch over and my drawing arm is always bent, which is annoying. picrel is an example, but i'm not sure whether it exists anymore kek
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If you’re from the US I would try this.
I didn’t expect much but I find myself using it a lot with my Wacom, it’s Bluetooth and it even has a mouse in the middle for the price it’s worth a try until you find one that works better with you.
Lmao no, if I liked their fictional CP, I wouldn't have called them a degenerate.
I didn't like their comics, I just liked their watercolor furry art, despite it being scrotey AF.
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Found this artist recently and everyone's acting like this guy's a genious and while I agree that his technique is great, I don't really get why he thinks that it's necessary to draw animals fucking and realistic animal dicks. Picrel is one of his recent works and it's mild, but in his latest one he straight up drew an aroused animal dick on a feral animal. I could understand if the animal was anthropomorphic but this is too much for me. It feels fucking weird.
I didn't even register this as fucking. Just thought it was a bird perched, especially because everything in the back doesn't line up. The tail is down, for one and the bird wouldn't even be low enough.
The fuck is wrong with you?
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i just googled him and yeah he's just a furry. there's an erect dick on this piece. lol. moids are so stupid
I looked him up and he's probably a gay furry. Moids aren't shy about their fucked up fetishes. The piece you posted seem innocent at first, but in the context of his gallery it becomes bleak.>>1423332
People can be shocked and disgusted by both.
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Tbh i'm somewhat used to people drawing degen shit and then giving it long, poetic and deeply metaphorical explanations, I used to check every contemporary art exhibition I could because it can be just so fascinating; but sure enough he was asked about this specific thing and didnt even bother to answer. Cum for cum's sake. He could've at least try lol
I never said octopus drawings aren't creepy. I can dislike both and your whataboutism is annoying.>>1423466
I posted him mostly because he wants to give this deep meaning to a drawing of a fox cumming. He links his patreon under the drawings to explain whatever deep meaning there is to him drawing a fox cumming and a peacock fucking a fox. He really thinks he's doing something real clever.
I also didn't know about him before and I thought his art was really nice and charming at first, but then you zoom in and notice animals fucking and erect dicks in otherwise mundane and interesting pieces. The latest pieces are especially gross to me because they're not even furries, they're regular animals drawn in weird sexual scenarios.
wireless numpads are good and cheap, there's also macro keypads with rotating knobs you can find on aliexpress, I'd buy them if I didn't have the numpad already>>1423540
thanks!! i hate the paperlike film tho, the screen quality is reduced drastically
If you're making decent money off a career in an art related field pat yourself on the back, you're already successful.
The thing that stops people from achieving their dreams is financial security and a stable living situation. If you have those set, continue to work towards your goals until you die. You're only a failure when you give up.
Yeah; there's plenty of completely free and royalty free but affordable resources short of taking your own photos or even building your own models (lots of free to use ones out there) that you can use for photobashing. I'm a "purist" in the sense that I like studying the cheats of yore and applying them to my work. It is, by no means, an easy way out. You still have to know how to blend everything in, unless you're going for a discordian look on purpose.
Though not explicitly labeled (aside from the obvious photobashing tutorials, you'll stumble upon some process videos on youtube that do include a little photobashing here and there. Mangakas are especially known for it. I don't see why anyone would hide it; it's common among professionals.
I need some advice. I have this autistic obsession with a particular artist, where I want to draw like her, but I also hate it because I feel like I already had a similar style, just less refined. I wasn't really creative when I first found her art because I was focused more on fundamentals. Now that I have a solid skill base, I want to start doing more personal art with interesting themes, but I keep getting this feeling that my art will look too much like hers, or people will think I'm a knock off of her. But I only really studied a few specific things from her art, like eyes, for example. Plus, I've seen lots of other youtube artists that draw like her anyway, so it's not like she's that unique.
Ugh I feel annoyed with myself for thinking like this and I just want to draw and enjoy what I make.
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watch normies suddenly become "good artists" overnight painting over AI generated anime girls
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you cant convince me that there arent greedy/evil intentions behind AI anymore now that even big companies are pushing it. Its extremely suspicious how, despite most artists being against it, ALL of the bigger art platforms and programs are incorporating it. The other day i tried to search watercolor painting in Pixiv and the search was completly broken by shitty AI porn being spammed that had nothing to do with watercolor.
What do you mean? Adobe was the first to hop on AI art as a function in their program. Everyone else is just following suit.
You can't deny that at this point, Clip Studio Paint/Celsys and Adobe talk to each other.
Oh, I didn't realize this was about this artist.
Sexual things like ejaculation in art (of animals no less) from a moid is always suspect even if the art is nice and seems "deep". He seems a little bit occult bro who doesn't talk a lot to seem mysterious.
I liked his art and some of his concepts but he is so, so heavily inspired by Mobius in a lot of his work that it's actually a little distracting. I don't know why it bothers me as much with him.
Agree with another anon who mentioned the lack of value in his work. He is skilled but the flat clutter makes the work difficult to look at.
If he's trying to express something with the animal dicks, it comes off more like the occult dudes on reddit who swear that magic has to be done through sex and masturbation.
Things really don't have to be sexual to be base/deep.(integrate)
Well peacocks are male for one thing. You must be thinking about peahens.>>1426350
Praying you’re a zoologist because there are only two types of people who are acquainted with the term.
There should be a little box icon next to the brush size slider (if there isn't, check the brush's properties by right-clicking on it and check the "change size with pressure" box) click on it and a pop-up will appear. From there either change the "minimum size" slider or play around with the pressure graph.
Sorry I cant be more specific with names, I'm out od my house right now.
Honestly I think it will only flood the internet even more with shitass art because every talentless idiot I see hypes this shit up because they always wanted to be artists but they are lazy fucks who spent their years whining not being able to draw instead of actually drawing and improving like every other artist.>>1427855
Same. This shit is what shitty CGI is for anime.
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Guy who draws countries having sex with each other but with weird soccer ball heads. Weirdhttps://twitter.com/DaFriix?t=BW1dVe_LbY5io6yH_272_Q&s=09
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why is brazil kind of…
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? what’s even the difference between the second and third ones
1. Original: dark skin dark hair
2. Lighter skin, lighter hair (meaning a change in color palette)
3. light skin, dark hair (lighting the character, and not the overall image)
4. making the hair straight instead of curly, making the nose smaller
That's what I've come to understand
it's not white-washing to just draw a character differently. is it white-washing to draw a black character in an anime style? is it white-washing to draw an alternative hairstyle just like black women wear wigs and try different styles and colors in real life? i'll answer it for you: no.
there's no such thing as making the facial features "look european" because africa is the most genetically diverse continent. does iman look white?
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I wonder if people are aware of how diverse black people are.
It's always American artists that fail to realise this, not sure why. Does the US not get any immigrants from Ghana, Ethiopia or Kenya these days?
By now even the racist "Africa is just one poor country" boomers here have learned to tell some of them apart by looking at their faces.
I'm sure there's a difference between, "Drawing a character in a different outfit/haircut" and "Drawing a character the exact same but their hair is straighter and their features are "simplified" because "muh style". " Sort of like when people draw characters who have hooked noses, with straight ones.>>1429156
Feel like you guys are missing the point of the image. That image is clearly not talking about OCs, but instead fanart of canon characters.
This isn’t meant to be a generic rule but refers to how artists will “iron out” certain features for specific characters.
Like if a character has curly hair why’re you drawing them with straight hair, no one ever does that with straight haired characters.
A guide by someone who can't eveb draw a stick figure lol.>>1429156
The Maasai guy looks good ngl.
It’s not autistic! It’s just that I live in a bullshit timeline where nobody knows or loves me the way I need them to and life is bleak so I rely on the vanishingly small possibility of a loving future with him in another timeline to help me cope with things
“Husbandos are the copium of the people” or something idk
getting popular on instagram from the bottom in 2022 is impossible unless you post multiple times a day, do the reels, do stories. basically devote your life to instagram. it's the shittiest app for artists.
Tumblr actually has the best tagging system and posts circulate for years. I don't know if it's the best platform to build a business or loyal followers, but it's the best for posts because nothing is suppressed by an algorithm.
Are you planning to draw as a job or as a hobby?
Either way, there is nothing that you do that won't require you to try and fail several times. I understand that the fear can increase when you intend to draw as a job, but the solution might be the same. The less you draw the harder it gets to start, because it becomes a distant and alien thing to you. The best way to improve your drawing is actually enjoying the process, the result is always hard to fully control. Try focusing on quick drawings, big detailed pieces take a lot of time, they are easy to frustrate anyone and make them doubt themselves. I would start with sketches, simple drawings that you don't worry as much for the quality and can move on quickly to a new one, the more you draw the more comfortable you get. Failure will still be part of it, you might improve but it will always feel you are behind, but just know these feelings are very normal for every artist. I hate most of what I do, but as time passed and I looked back on some of my old drawings I actually really like them. I realize part of hatred towards my drawing comes form the hatred I have for myself, I only like some of my older drawing because they now feel distant to me and I was able to remove myself from them in a way and see them as what they are, just drawings. If you are anything close to what I am describing I feel it's really important to reflect and work on yourself as well.
It's the exact opposite for me.
All I do on twitter is posting a new artwork every 2-3 weeks and I have already 1000 followers. On instagram I posted my stuff too and get maybe 20 likes per pic instead of 1000 or so I had 30 or so followers before I gave up.
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I've had this ig account for a couple years now and i've deleted and uploaded content multiple times, i think that kind of fucked with the algorithm or something?
Anyway, i don't like what i've posted and i really didn't draw stuff i enjoyed, i got tired of the account and i was wondering if it's a good idea to just delete it and make a new one
What do you say anons?
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That’s how we describe it, nonna. It might not be politically correct but they’re considered mostly neutral if not outdated terms. Just like how some people call locs dreadlocks despite being short for “dreadful locks”, and that term came from the British.
I had no idea that's what it was short for wow
Please don't say "we." There are black people who don't call people those things unless they hate them personally. Where are you from? I'm around other black people who can be ignorant but they're not the ruled and I take the "Nappy" in the book as reassuring children that having "nappy" hair isn't anything to be ashamed of. The things you said before were just insults towards strangers.
I just don't like ignorant blanket statements for people. Bell pepper noses…Fuck outta here.
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I’ve been getting videos on “proshipper art style”. I still don’t understand wtf proshippers are i avoided that discourse as much as possible on tumblr. If accusing people of being bad because of an art style is huge then no wonder many younger artists adopt ugly styles
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when most people draw black people, they are not thinking about this in mind. It's usually goes in the direction of dark to light, curly to straight. It's like a character has the coloring of Kelly but they use the color of Beyonce.
You know how you don't like it when characters get blackwashed in remakes? Black people don't like white washing
The crusade against supposed "Proshippers" are by people who are REALLY like self-shipping but hide it behind the morality brigade, or use it to get ammo against an artist they're trying to drag down. That is probably why we've got people trying to pinpoint "a style" they use.
It apparently only applies to "problematic
" ships; but it's a very 'rules for thee; not for me' situation as there have been plenty of anti-shipper artists who've ran crusades and had a "problematic
The fact that I just know
there are people out there who most likely jerk off to this shit unironically makes me want to kms.
What do teens have against shipping nowadays anyway?? Back in my day, teens tried to be as edgy as possible. Now, they put on this fake wholesome act (it's fake, because they're all consuming ""problematic
"" content on the downlow)
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Does anyone else feel annoyed with how tranny'ism is so popular within the social art world? I can't help but notice that lately whenever I've been coming across artists whose work I enjoy, I'll come across them on Twitter and many of them turn out to be troons, mostly TIFs as of late with the occasional TIM or NB. I know that you should just separate the art from the artist and I do tend to do that (picrel, an artist who's work I like even though she's a delusional TIF) but it just feels like it's become almost a guarantee that an online artist you come across is going to be some deluded gender-tard.
I guess the reason why it does bum me out so much is because I don't have any art friends and haven't for years and I miss having art friends but the last time I even attempted to try to socialize on Twitter in recent, the artist saw that I retweeted the "LetWomenSpeak" event hosted by Kellie-Jay Keen and I got called a disgusting transphobe and blocked (The artist "identified" as an "enby" even though she didn't put that in her bio description and mostly does fan art).
It just feels almost impossible to make art friends online if you don't buy into the trans cult. It's even more frustrating when you know trans is a crock of shit that can even be harmful to kids but they can't see it and it seems like artists are especially the most loudest of the TRAs.
It's hard because I now that I probably could be more successful making art friends if I just accepted the ideology but ever since I peaked (thanks to the MTF & FTM threads here), I can't even do that anymore like I used to. I just wish I could find other artists who don't buy into this nonsense and it be like it was in the good old days where at most you just came across annoying shipprs, I'd take them any day over this crap.
Also sidenote, just wondering if anyone has seen other artists (who aren't Troons) have a similar art style to the picrel? Not sure what you can call this style but I like it and would love to find others with a similar style who preferably aren't trans-affiliated lol.
I feel what you mean. It’s difficult to find other female artists who actually identify as such nowadays, but they’re definitely out there. And it’s always so disappointing to find a new female artist and realize she insists she’s a man.
For me it’s easiest to try and find other women by seeking out subject matters that usually don’t appeal much to gendies, ie, very “neutral” and apolitical un-coomerish subject matters. Basic fluffy het romance and ships tends to be a good place to find women too lol.
Over time I’ve muted every vaguely gendie term in Twitter, along with basically any artist who posts gendie content, and this has actually lead to my TL being basically gendie-free. It’s a long process but it makes it way easier to find actually female artists now.
Almost every person I’ve seen who is adamant about certain ships being problematic
has been revealed to like similar or “worse” ships. I try to avoid all discourse over shipping but it’s still something I’ve noticed over time.
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This made me laugh I’m sorry
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mentioned , The artist is a TIF, a woman who thinks she's a edgy rocker boi. Her comic was actually quite interesting until you learn that the main character (the brown haired guy) is a TIF. When I read that, I did keep reading but it felt like the character was a self-insert and I couldn't help but find it cringe and while I'm not entirely sure yet as I haven't read past chapter 4, "his" struggle feels like an identity crisis to his past self as a girl. Thankfully at least so far in the comic, she doesn't focus too much on the troon crap but it's hard to look at the protagonist knowing that it's a woman who thinks she's a man.
But I feel you anon, the way she draws characters is awesome. I love her attention to detail of making character designs that standout without being too much. It's just a shame that she's so deep in the troon hole which is why I'd love to find other artists who have a similar art style but living i reality kek.
I know posting personal info is not allowed in lolcow but I just really want a network of nonnies or female artists who dont follow through the gendie shit for this reason. I'm this close to cutting off old friends because they identify a not girl.>>1431321>>1431184
I mostly do OC stuff which is an even smaller niche. But I would love to follow any cute het/oc artists you may recommend!>>1431742>>1432002
the other subtle things I saw were 'F' and the female emoji. I feel like you get enough benefit of the doubt if you aren't public about political shit. They might just assume you live under a rock and not aware lol.
I do recommend putting age (not exact age if it makes you uncomfortable, something like 21+ will suffice) in bio so others know you’re not a minor.>>1432099
Kek I have gotten away with putting “female” on my bio
AYRT Yeah I've done the same trying to apply what I like about her style into my own work. I just never knew what to call her art style. I want to say anime but yet something about it doesn't really feel "anime" if that makes sense? lol
Either way yeah, it's a shame when good artists go dwon the trans hole and even worse when they try to apply it to their character's story.
Yeah that's a good start. I don't list pronouns in my bio.
>the Venus symbol is "terfy"
Awesome, I'll definitely include that in my bio if it may help signal to other artists that I'm not a gendie.
I've been putting F in my bio since 2005 like it never changed lol. People still ask me my pronouns every livestream
But I feel you anon. It's so sad, I feel like I can't trust anybody out there anymore because some gender special will out you as a terf
and cancel your whole career. I feel like this is why we'll never have an art community like DA again.
>>1432404>I feel like I can't trust anybody out there anymore because some gender special will out you as a terf and cancel your whole career
Why do you have this fear? If your art has nothing to do with politics/feminism, you really don't have to bring up gender at all. Even if you draw f/f art, never mention gender or talk about it. People asking for pronouns is pretty basic, as long as you don't act annoyed or offended, nobody will suspect you think gendies are dumb
You don't have to say your true feelings on trans issues, just like you don't have to talk about any political or social issue like global warming, classism, racism, etc. Just focus on your art, and people who follow you will do the same (always block annoying minors)
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Why the fuck are Sakura microns so expensive? Nearly 5 bucks for a single piece and the price is not much different if you buy it in a case. I just got a Staedtler fineliner for half the price.
Nta but just any craft store. It isn't even worth going into physical stores sometimes anymore, the prices are insane they don't even try to keep stock in. I remember once I was making a pair of wings and I was using a specific bag of colored feathers but they only had a couple bags. I used them up and went to get more about a week later, having used to work there I know they get a truck every week, and they hadn't restocked. So I went about two weeks later, still hadn't restocked. Went back 2 months
later and half the aisle is totally empty! Idk why I bothered…
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Nonnie, i am looking for a website where I could get money but without a client knowing my PayPal email, real name or any other private info. The country where i am has all of the info on anyone wide open so getting my adress would be the easiest thing to do.
Ive been using Streamelements but not everyone can pay there unfortunately.
Would kofi show my paypal account, name and email if i connect it or would it be better to use stripe?
I am looking for lots of alternatives so i wont get doxxed. Sadly had an exp with paypal locking my business account for no reason so i am not testing the bullet again with that. Thank you nonnas.
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1 mill views for what, am I missing something here
I hope some kind of class-action lawsuit would be possible at some point. But I believe some of these Ais are funded by big tech and even have NASA on board, I don't know how the average artist is supposed to fight back.>>1433583
There wouldn't be so much backlash if AI shills weren't so needlessly aggressive and smug over artists. I've seen someone on discord claim that he used AI to spite on artists because "they have it too easy!" it's really just stupid
art sites like arty.ooo and comiss.io might be good. I would also recommend stripe.>>1433583
I'm quite happy people won't shut up about AI, it's not going to go away if you ignore it. We as artists have to keep the discussion against it and shame them like we did with nfts. If you hate it so much, block the terms from whatever social media you're on.
AI art isn’t real art. Why are you getting so triggered
in a thread full of artists?
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i really hate these modern illustration styles. they look so childish and trigger every time i see them. am i just a salty, joyless bitch?
Being a wagie slave pretty much redesigned my goals in life.
Kinda "blackpilled" me about the commercialization of art/media.
At this point I just want to peacefully and comfortably retire while being strong enough to draw leisurely till I die.
My previous dream was to be a published comic/gamedev/etc (i have too many interests) but it feels so congested nowadays especially without making it lgbtq/bipoc/marginalized voice aligned.
In my opinion, if you're making a lot of money and don't have to crunch for it, then you're definitely in the better half.
If you have a goal like to make your own game or whatever, try to do it on your free time. If you want to improve or learn a certain aspect, pick up a class! Totally not late nonnie
I like "AI bros" (derogatory)
More realistically, AI user and AI image?
east asian art has several particulars mostly in the face and hands of how they draw their subjects (and many deviations within that; it's easy to tell japanese apart from korean and chinese art for example)
slavic artists tend to draw slender and appealing figures, lacking the disneyfication of faces that americans and canadians tend to draw. burgers and canucks also seem dedicated to trying to draw as much face variety as possible, often making their subjects ugly in the process whereas slavic people tend to want to draw attractive faces, and if they uglify their subject they often just have a weird body or maybe some eye bags as opposed to having fat tumblr noses, blemishes, obesity etc like americans/canadians like to draw
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What is the line between tracing and a master study? Picrel is Judith Beheading Holofernes by the Italian artist Caravaggio and what my teacher said is a master study where the artist used characters from the anime Naruto? I don't watch anime instead of people in the original painting. I know that there are artist that imitate other artist and sell their paintings under that artist's name resulting in a art forgery. However When I search online for more examples of master studies with characters from various media or animals such as cats which is pretty cute tbh I seem to notice that some of the bodies in some art just not fit? if you know what i mean like there is something odd with the painting that I can't put my finger on.
This exactly! I don't want to paint something that ends up in the uncanny valley category since I want to make my money worth considering my teacher doesn't really give out classes anymore considering her age.>>1434943
No I'm not her. I usually paint landscapes and look for similar artist. I don't really know the name of any artist that specialize with figure painting, I just named Caravaggio because he has a funny name and my teacher mentioned him in that particular class.
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yeah, I say "AI images." Or garbage if I'm trying to hurt someone's feelings. They get triggered
really quickly kek >>1434916
I think pieces like this are fun, especially if the original painting fits the character.
The "antishippers" I met so far were like that too they selfshipped so I never even understood what they meant with this. Thought it was being against shipping on principle, but they always ship something.
As the other anon has said I try to avoid every fandom discourse like the plague and just post my art and talk with the few people I am friends with.
>>1431101>Does anyone else feel annoyed with how tranny'ism is so popular within the social art world?
I am into Transformers so YES.
Good look finding western fanartists that don't draw every single male character like a woman because everybody on cybertron obviously transitions for some reason. There are SOME good western artists and god bless them but holy shit they are rare. It's like 99% of the Asian fandom is drawing cool canon shit, same with the Eastern European fans, but then you get the west and 90% or more is just tranny art and they all look exactly the same.
>guess the reason why it does bum me out so much is because I don't have any art friends and haven't for years and I miss having art friends
Same here. I love drawing art but there are only two artists I can (rarely) talk to, for the rest I don't even understand their languages. I don't care about the gender stuff but I want to sperg and talk about the series I am into, but the western artists prefer to talk about gender headcanons instead and write greentext stories about their fluffy or porny trans issues (it's not only TF even, I am into multiple fandoms rn).
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TbrainRot, weird pedo who ships herself with lisa simpson, is a detransitioner and is a shaynatard apparently. She went from trans to lesbian and now she's apparently straight again. Not really milky but super weird overall, she was probably molested or something.
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mento illness. I imagine the years of testosterone rotted her brain or she has autism or something. A shame because her art is pretty decent. It's really sad to see an artist waste their talent drawing degenerate shit.
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Stuff like this really doesn’t help the whole ‘troonism isn’t inherently sexual’ thing. The stereotype is that moids are sex pests but ftms can be just as pornsick, especially if they grew up on the internet.
She reminds me of this other weirdo artist that used to be on tumblr. She always had crushes on the weirdest characters like the puppet from Goosebumps, Sideshow Bob, Stewie, King Candy, etc. I genuinely can’t tell if she’s an autistic pedo or gets off on having out there character crushes. She did claim to be pro-lolishota and supportive of MAPs so the writing’s on the wall I guess.
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interesting, I have another question, can you describe what exactly are the "tumblr artstyles" that nonnie
's were describing on the short comics thread
Then don't trace, plan out a grid. Grid your paper and grid the example your teacher wants you to use and do the art that way, but edit it into characters of your own choosing. The tracing she is referring to is probably the shape, not literal tracing. Artists do shape tracing all the time without details to get the proportions right.
I honestly don't know why you're in this class for master study when it seems you don't even have basic fundamentals of how to reference trace.
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why am I attracted to this cartoon fuck boy character?
kek i was hyper obsessed with her ocs last year after watching the mixed messages music video. check her "buttons" tag on tumblr for more if you like himhttps://galoogamelady.tumblr.com/tagged/Buttons
i cant unsee the projared resemblance now after anons pointed it out…
Is it this anon? https://haveibeentrained.com/?custom=1
It goes through databases that are being used by a bunch of the AI’s to see if your source pic is in the references or is it something else? I’m curious
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A little late but clownstongue came up in the fakeboi thread. Extremely NSFL. Browse at your own risk.https://twitter.com/clownstongue
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I don’t get why Adam Warren’s art gets praised. Sure, his rendering is good but besides that it’s hideous. It seems like he’s trying to emulate Japanese doujin artists without any of the charm. I especially hate the coomery way he draws women.
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late to reply but, folieloaded on twitter/gynandromorph on tumblr admittedly her art has gotten a lot better and most of her milk is ancient now. typical DID they/them nlog TiF but still loud and proud lesbian who draws comics about her alters. used to be in an abusive
polycule with only TiMs older than her who wanted her for sex, and even admitted she as coerced into making a porn art side account that she never wanted but is someone who capes so hard for them that she refuses to admit thats what caused all her relationships to crumble, since breaking up with all her abusive
exes she is asexual now and lays a lot lower than she used to. made a few webcomics, got backlash with her first one that i think sent her into a spiral but she finished another webcomic and is starting another one. her first one and current one star TiMs and she continues to put them on pedestals despite her abuse that was so public. anyway i know a few other nonas in here also follow her as she has been posted in the fakeboi thread before
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That's probably because 3 year age gaps weren't considered "pedophilia" back then. Age gap discourse definitely played a part in that
That's alright, just don't neglect practicing figure drawing every now and then.breference from more than one pic.
Also, whenever using tools like 3d model tracing, you just have to make it look natural and not soulless traced.
does anyone else hates having artist friends? it feels so fake, at least with mine you can never criticize their work because they get mad.>>1436565
a shame, her art is kinda good
I've always hated his dumb fish lips and always felt insane how his art seemed to be put in such high regard. I think you put it succinctly when you say its an emulated art style without the charm.
Also looking at that page the randomly bolded and underlined words are starting to piss me off too
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Have you nonnas seen this case? Dude copies photographer's work 1 to 1 on his painting, wins money prize, she still loses the copyright lawsuit because it's apparently not "unique enough", despite her being an established professional and the copy being practically identical down to flower petal placement. Of course reddit trolls imply it has something to do with her being a woman and wanting to take men's money. Bleak af.
I remember following her work ages ago in deviantart's best years, her work is and has always been unique, it's hard to believe court ruled otherwise. She elaborates more in this thread https://twitter.com/zemotion/status/1600529480099196928
If the only thing you have in common is that you draw, even if you both like each others art, the friendship won't be very strong. You need to have some other hobbies or interests in common to make genuine friends.
Avoid artists with huge egos, or really insecure artists. Both these type of people will befriend you for ulterior motives.
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Wrong ruling. Kill reddit moids. I feel so bad for her.
The AP photographer who took the photo of Obama that got turned into the famous Hope poster won a case of copyright violation, even though the graphic design was much different than the photo, and got to share monetary rewards with the artist.
This degenerate male did a 1:1 copy of her photo, down to every shadow and petal. He might as well have submitted her photo and said he painted it.
Absolutely disgusting. The art isn’t even that great of a replica- not just because it doesn’t add anything new or original- it’s just so lifeless. Sometimes I hate artists who draw “realism” purely because they can’t draw anything outside of a picture they’re referencing- they’re literally human printers >>1438808
Really don’t want to get into this topic, but it has always been a red flag to me. Guys can say that it’s “evolution” to look for young women as partners but they just don’t want to admit to being so pathetic that they can’t find someone in their own age range because young women are the only ones who can deal with their bs because they don’t know any better
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Why are Japanese moids so damn autistic
I never understood their weird justifications>Muh looks/evolution
As if they can't find plenty of more attractive women their own age? Idk why they would need to seek out fertility unless they're actively willing to marry, financially support the woman and raise the children long term including when she will inevitably age out of their preference, but most men don't want to do that>Submissive/virginal/better at sex/etc
I'm convinced men who say this never met hormonal and jealous younger girls kek
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>>1438945>This was done in a way he could get away with it because I bet this coward would not have done it to another race of woman.
He did. He also copied from white men.
Exhibit A: Just because you know how to perform the task
of painting and have the skill doesn't mean you're an artist. Can't wait until there's no rewarding this kind of NPC-tier human photocopy bullshit, he is no better than AI
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The eyes do look a little weird tho…
It's like they're trying hard to reproduce the feel of Japanese anime art but failing miserably and it comes off as particularly cringy, especially the expressions. They use western cartoon proportions I guess>>1434099
I knew because I recognized the art style from some other thread where a video of hers was posted. But in all seriousness, I can't describe exactly what makes Eastern European comic artists so identifiable, but the same can be said about practically any region. French style, American style, Japanese style, Korean style, Latin American style, Chinese style, SEA style, you get the idea.
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One thing is WITCH influence. It was popular in some eastern european countries, webcomic artists (for example Phobs) were copying this style and everyone else was copying them.
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I'm not the anon above but I'm guessing the placement of Korean artist has a lot to do with webtoons. Even if the stories are interesting, most of the artwork featured in webtoons are lackluster. It may be a bit unfair though. Just look at the Pixiv "Artist in Korea" artbook for example: https://www.pixiv.net/special/artbook/kr/
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People love to use that dude who did Magna carta as an example of a good korean artist, but their art is really boring and over saturated. Magna carta's art is soulless. this is the official cover
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IIRC, this comic is a fetish comic about a super heroine who always finds herself in some kind of bondage. It’s supposed to be tongue in cheek but it’s obvious that this is just for moids to fap to. The character herself started off as an OC he’d draw for fetish commissions but then he turned it into a full comic.
I think one of the heroes is an insecure black girl who’s sole personality trait is that she’s angry and jealous of blonde, white women.
I just looked it up. Her actual name is Sistah Spooky. It seems Adam Warren really liked her backstory, since it got it’s own spinoff written by him a few years ago. Thankfully it wasn’t drawn by him.
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The artist isn't responsible for the cover art in this case; that's the designer.
If this is what qualifies as "oversaturated" to you, I can't fathom what you must think of Mika Pikazo's work.
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its sad how tumblr style, calarts and steven universe forever soiled the american style to the point its used as an insult nowadays, it used to be so varied and interesting. For me its
pre 10's american style> Japanese style> Eastern European style
my least favourite would be the french westaboo style >>1441534
, i hate it.
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Is this the same guy? It seems he’s traded in that weird wormy anatomy for clean generic anime semi realism now
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yeah, hes mostly known as a character designer. His men always looked awful to me.
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I think the uncanny feeling comes from the faces. Rino's style is like Miyuli's but with more rendering which ends up making the anime like face stick out more. I actually really like their style tho.
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Saged in case this isn't the thread for this, got an ad for ai image generation for profile pictures, was that fast or am I slow to catch up kek>>1441847
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Sergio Toppi, Gigi Cavenago, Crepax and Guido Buzzelli will forever be my favourites.
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I have a love-hate relationship with Hyung-Tae Kim's artwork. I think he does some really gorgeous work sometimes (I have the War of Genesis III artbook,) but then there's batshit insane anatomy like picrel sprinkled in places.
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i dont care much about the ''its going to steal our jobs!!!'' aspect of it, but it saddens me how in the course of a century art decayed so much and became fast food for mass consumption thanks to techfags appropiating the industry. Movies, Advertisements, cartoons, comics, videogames, and even manga and anime is so generic and dull looking nowdays. AI and the generic, samey, fast results are just a symptom of a greater disease. Art is dying and it saddens me to live to see it.
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Tomislav… what a fucking dissapointment I think "never meet your heroes" applies here.. His work inspired me a lot back in the day, turns out he's really stupid. Asks his followers "Am i evil for doing NFT's" and then gets shocked and butthurt when they say yes. Like what did he expect lol? Then the classic "I'm slav! u wouldn't understand we diffent!" yea our scrotes are diffent… difefrently stupid.
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why is it so hard to create good male designs? does anyone else feels this way? 99% of times i dislike male character designs even though i am a massive yumejo. The reason why i never picked up reverse harem/idol/romance anime is because the designs are so generic and bland to me, yet i often find myself really liking female designs. I only like Ensemble Stars and Luxiem designs honestly, too bad the latter are wasted on 3DPD moids who are sex pests and ugly.
>>1442187>Art is dying and it saddens me to live to see it.
I think corporate art (this includes art on social media favored by the algorithm) is generic and samey and soulless. But there will always be people creating unique art until the end of humanity.
The internet is amazing. I'm actually grateful we're born in a time where it's so easy to get your work out there. Never a point in human history has there existed a chance for regular people to get their art in front of thousands of people. You always had to go through the gallery system, wealthy commissioners, and corporations. Now you can just post online. Boost artists you like, it's the only way to change the tide of generic bullshit.
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what do korean artists have against male chests and facial rendering
While on the subject of Nana, I don't like how protected from criticism Ai Yazawa's work is. I mean I get that we don't have much josei manga out there, but that's all the more reason to be more critical of her work, because I don't see why we should settle for her borderline glorification of abusive
relationships when we already know how much better content made by women for women could be. Her protagonists are self inserted, weak-willed women who settle for abusive
men, Nana (the punk one) is most likely based off of a woman she knew in her life that tried to talk some sense into her and clearly failed. Yazawa's views on relationships are just too fucked up for her to handle the topic of them in her work properly, and there's at least one troon in her work (that I know of) which I guess is fine if you're willing to overlook that, but I always take being expected to take a trans character seriously as anything besides delusional as an insult to my intelligence. I'm not saying there's no importance to her work at all, or that you're not allowed to like it, but I think we can do better, and we should seek out and create better josei rather than just talking about Yazawa's work all the time.
Don't think pedophllic terf
artist is a hill you want to die on nonny
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any tips for studying? i am trying to get back to drawing after stopping for almost a year, this time i want to get serious about it and actually learn how to draw
Horse legs lol>>1443130
Falcoon's style is horrible imo
I don't think it's just male designs. Anime character designs in general have been following this trend lately of having wild hairstyles with really obnoxious random colors and overly detailed outfits with nonsense design choices. Like they think the more shit you put on them the better the design, like a kid's dA Sonic OC. But either women have superior taste than men, or bishies are just drawn worse than bishojo (like >>1442514
said). Or both. The artwork is also pretty bad usually. There are actually good female artists who do bishies and know how to draw hands, clothes and bodies that don't look like they're made of paper, but for some reason they always hire the ones with the worst and most uninspired artstyle, maybe because of it even.
Bishies didn't even use to be that bad, I find a lot from 10+ years ago attractive but this horrible fad (I hope it's just a fad that's about to end) of trying to make your designs as """unique""" as possible while somehow making them more generic than ever, is just making everything worse. And I mean everything, from male idolshit to AAA video games. That, combined with how joseimuke media is becoming more common but also so lazy and soulless (just like media for moids) makes it harder to find something anime for women that's actually worthwhile or that looks decent and unique, and isn't just another shitty cashgrab that's similar to 20 other franchises
Interesting! The one I got is screenless, so it might give in earlier>>1443885
Oh my god, that's so frustrating. It happened with my old tablet all the time, I had to keep switching cables and usb ports and try not to move it or it would disconnect. I hope you can get it replaced soon!
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My Wacom Cintiq 13HD keeps unplugging (?) when I'm using it if I move it even slightly, I'm worried that problem is in the receiving port in the tablet itself and not the cable. How fucked am I if it's that?
NTA the level of detail isn't new, but the level of nonsense detail is. I blame the gacha game phenomena amping it up, which is already about a decade old, but has permeated a lot of anime-styled media. The more accessories on a PNG, the more money it looks to be worth, which translates to a "more interesting character" for consumertards. That's permeated into other spheres.
The Sonic OC comparison is apt; it appeals for the same exact reasons: colorful, detailed, and easy-to-read, but highly simplified expressions. It's why these characters feel so boring despite being living glitter bombs. It's also why the fanbases surrounding them seem to have no idea how to behave themselves. It is said that these are traits that tend to appeal to certain kinds of autism.>>1443849
This. Even if women make fetish art, it doesn't shape their entire lives or affect the people around them like it does for male artists. Rare cases exist, but it's practically the norm for male coom artists.
She (you) should draw Lisa as an adult and not sexualize her as a child then.>it's literally not fucking real
I wonder where I've heard this one before
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So I've been listening to some of Twisted Disaster's livestreams because even though I find her annoying sometimes, I think she's okay mostly when she's not around gendie friends who say much more stupid shit then she does and in her last stream she was talking about why she has stopped doing YouTube because aside from not getting the views she wanted, she also didn't like how people would dunk on her art by saying that they hate it but they liked her personality and they'd buy her merch out of pity only to throw it out.
I hadn't seen her art in awhile and I wanted to see if she had improved and nope, she's still more or less in the same level she was from before. Faces look wonky as always when it comes to her drawing human characters and anatomy looks odd. She says that she tries to go for a cartoon style and I get it but yet her stuff just looks off. I remember a few threads ago there was mention on how she over emphasizes shadows & highlights which is what makes her art look so awkward and how it highlights how jumbled her sense of anatomy and face work actually is. I feel that if she insists on drawing eyes and noses so big, she should go for a flat or minimalist shading style instead. That or finally scale the eyes down and space them a bit more instead of drawing them so close together.
It's not surprising that those who stumbled on her videos disliked her art because she has one of the most fundamentally unsettling art styles around and though she has people who praise her art, I feel like they're mostly younger artists who don't have anatomy skill neither.
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I'll give her some credit though, when she draws non-human characters like her mascot character (picrel), it doesn't look that bad compared to when she draws straight up human characters.
I'm sure you're still free to shame female artists for having deranged tastes on an anonymous board for the same reasons why they're free to share their tastes within reason.
I'm just tired of going after people for wrongthink. A lot of artists indulge their sexuality, and many make a living for doing so. Not defending the Lisa Simpson artist, but unless she's out here using her art to groom and justify pedophilia, I'm having a hard time getting triggered
character designers are always more creative with female characters for some stupid reason. male characters get:
1. bishounen with fancy suit
2. bishounen with fancy military uniform
3. bishounen with basic streetwear
4. bishounen with fancy suit
5. bishounen with fancy suit, but with a prince twist (gold trinkets here and there and a cape)
6. bishounen with fancy suit (and a hat)
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politepuppet/handsomehugs/340678002x9 aka Vee/Ang went on a huge spiel and meltdown over moids on 4chan commenting on how fucking lunatic she is, which eventually lead to suicide threats last night (not screencapped), the deactivation of all social media & baiting her friends into worrying about her.
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so much talent wasted on generic cottagecore bullshit
Yeah, idk what op is talking about from their post, but The only form of wasted talent I see is when an artist goes in full coom territory or (when looking at insta artists) draws the same form without anything else to add>>1444489
Kek, So true
I definitely agree with you. I hate the term “proshipper” since it can encompass anything from mundane toxic
yaoi pairings to whatever the fuck >>1436565
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do any nonnies remember emmy cicierega? i used to be obsessed with her stuff when deviantart was really popping back in the day. looking at it now with different and matured taste i must say it’s disappointingly boring and generic
Nta, but I’ve always hated the need for these labels to “identify” yourself as bc it’s either “you don’t like that people explore dark themes” or “if you write about said themes, you support it”- like ofc no one except those few degenerate pieces of shit actually support that sick shit.
Like, remind me why people still support these labels if it isn’t used to go on a crusade for their holy justice war across the internet?
Yeah. Like find some topics gross (anyone who likes loli shit is sick in the head) but i don’t think drawing your yaoi ship having hate sex or whatever is supporting irl abusive
If she's stopped doing youtube, good riddance honestly. I haven't seen her art in a while and it's still those dopey goofy expressions and that heavy handed coloring. All she does is mope and whine. I wouldn't be surprised if she was on tiktok more often now where she can continue to desperately seek the attention of teens who suck art and have poor self esteem like she does, and try hard at being 'an old but relatable artist'
Same bullshit she hasn't changed. Wherever she goes she's miserable.
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Ironically enough anon, what you said is actually true. Michie has stated in her streams that she's more active on TikTok these days and most of her fanbase are teens though the main reason why I suspect that is because some of the comments she gets in her streams say things like "I wish I could commission you but I'm not old enough to have PayPal" and similar comments like that. And aside from Holly who she's now in a poly relationship with, her other friends are in their late teens and baby 20s with her being the oldest at 30.
And it's kinda funny because her one troon friend TheZodiacLord actually has improved her art and it no longer resembles Michie's style anymore with the dopey goofy expressions, she actually evenly proportions facial details (picrel). Don't get me wrong, she's still pretty cringe with the insistence that she's a man when it's clear she's not taking testosterone and sounds like young woman (not that it would matter, she'd still be delusional even if she was on T) but I gotta give her some credit when it comes to her art and how she's improved.
Back to Michie though, she still complains quite a bit about any minor inconveniences from having a stuffy nose to a headache and how it impedes on her not getting commission work done and having to take a personal art day and then mention how far behind she is in her commission queue as per usual. She also claims to be working on a bit of NDA contract art as well.
I feel like it's pretty clear though that aside from her views dropping and supposed copyright strike issues on her videos, I feel like another major reason she stepped back from YouTube was because it was only platform where people around her age would stumble upon her work and not be afraid to say how bad they think it looks compared to younger, much more insecure or amateur artists who will think her stuff looks great.
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I also wanted to ask about this person since they've been a part of a lot of Twisted Disaster's streams for quite a while. Is there any milk on her troon friend "Sawyer" aka Starheavenly? I haven't actually looked into her but I feel like there's some funny ridiculousness behind her. She's arguably the most obnoxious of Michie's streams for me because of how it's so obvious Michie and Holly roll over to make sure to constantly affirm her "maleness" by calling her "the boy" and the constant need to use he/him pronouns. But the true obnoxious quality comes from how it's so obvious how she thinks that being rudeUWU makes her totally a guy and it's just so pathetic. And to add some cringe, she's in a relationship with another TIF who she met from Michie's Discord (I think) and they claim to be a gay couple. Said "BF"'s voice is hilarious because she sounds like a little girl. Either way as annoying as Michie can be, I find her to be tolerable when it's just her and/or Holly in her livestream.
Anyway just curious if there was anything on this person because it feels like I might've missed some milk on her. Like is there a reason behind why she thinks she's a man? Did she go to art school?
se appealed to them directly so she kind of deserves it, tbh
lolicon/shotacons are deranged in general and will constantly harass and blackmail the artists they like
Strong anatomy is absolutely one of the cornerstones of the anime style. Even though some series may have exaggerated figures, artists are able to do this effectively because they already know the fundamentals.
If you want to draw a more cartoonish style of anime, then I guess you could get away with having weak fundamentals, but if you're looking to make art on par with CiloRanko or ccroquette, then yeah, your anatomy has got to be solid.
That being said, you're overinflating just how much work you need to do to study anatomy. You do not need to learn every single muscle fiber, but you do need to have a solid grasp of things like size, proportions, major muscle groups, etc.
You don't have to study every muscle and bone unless you plan on drawing human muscle and skeleton diagrams. The important thing to study irt anatomy is proportions.
Learn how long, short, big, small, and the location of every body part is in relation to each other. And draw people from life so you learn how to draw believable movement and fluid poses.
If you want to draw an anime girl with huge eyes, you should be knowledgeable enough about human face proportions to know how to draw the mouth, nose, forehead, ears irt to that change to not make her looks strange.
Long anime legs are great, if you know how long to draw the torso and arms and how big to draw her head to make her not look weird with long anime legs.
It's all about proportions when it comes to drawing humans.
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Twitter needs to quit it with recommended videos wtf is this
>>1445113> she still complains quite a bit about any minor inconveniences from having a stuffy nose to a headache and how it impedes on her not getting commission work done
Yeah I noticed that too with commission work/videos/streams, I’m not the biggest fan of her work but it kinda irks me that she says that she can’t do work over something so mundane. I rather take the excuse of depression than “oh, I have a runny nose”
A bit of a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if she and her friends hopped onto the thread every once and a while to see what people say about them, I say this because I remember when she first said that ppl didn’t like her art was when she was more popular on these forums
Exactly. It's just so odd (and pathetic) how she uses these minor inconveniences as excuses to not get her work done and then she keeps on opening for more "emergency commissions" from time to time and adds to the already long queue that she already has. I could understand if she caught a cold or was genuinely sick or even having depression bouts but she's even in the past went so far as feeling too hot (it was during summer) to work on commissions and I was like, "Bitch, just get a plug-in fan and get back to work". This is why I'm convinced that most of the people who commissions her are teenagers of freshly young adults because the wait times she has are ridiculous and that if she did have more adult clientele, they would more than likely want a refund after a month or two of waiting.
>A bit of a tin foil hat but I wouldn’t be surprised if she and her friends hopped onto the thread every once and a while to see what people say about them, I say this because I remember when she first said that ppl didn’t like her art was when she was more popular on these forums
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised as well. She had Holly on a few streams ago and they brought up the sketchbook slam challenge that Holly created back in 2016 and they both were laughing at how much disdain it got saying that the people critiquing it "just sucked" ("It sucks to suck I guess" - Holly). And well besides YouTube, that "challenge" got plenty of critique and negative feedback here on the site back in those days.
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I’ve been going through old issues (70s-90s) of HM. It’s an eclectic mix of trash and treasure - from shitty Robert Crumb comix to masters like Druillet. Even though a lot of it is basically porn, I highly recommend checking them out.https://getcomics.info/other-comics/heavy-metal-magazine-1-292-extras-collection-1977-2018/
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How wrong can a person be
Enstar is the dying example of a good character design: simple, on point, lines are confident and minimalistic - no messy overlapping elements, distinctive visual features for every character’s personality, good pleasant pallets, no obnoxious clashing colors, anatomically correct body, no yaoi hands, no unnaturally broad yaoi shoulders, no elongated body and limbs, no comically long and thin hands and fingers, also no male boobs, no ugly dry big muscles, no pointy chin sly eyed “male anime design tm” face
But idk, maybe you prefer trash like charisma house or twisted wonderland designs, maybe even nu carnival, kek, that way I have nothing for you
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honestly the biggest reason why i named ensemble stars aside of what you just said is the face shape, its not too pointy nor too round, you can tell they are men even if they have softer features. I think peak moeshit design for me would be idolmaster cinderella girls, they all have subtle features that make them really distinct from each other even if they still have generic anime faces. Of course, just talking strictly about moe and otaku stuff there are miles better character designs out there.
I'd give you a new tablet if I could, anon.>>1444610
This is the truth. Studying things that you like helps you retain what you learn.
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i get your point but this doesnt work with me because i just like drawing everything. Its a sword of double edge, because it makes me feel overwhelmed with the amount of content i would like to be able to draw. I wish i was born with KJG's mind so i could draw literally everything. I was mostly asking for studying methods. Thanks anyways, i feel like that applies to most people.
I can see it being helpful to avoid surprising your followers/watchers if you post about something "problematic
" but I would use another phrase than that because like you anons said, many of those using that label are a mess. I don't care that much about ships even if a character is younger, but so many self-identified "proshippers" have crazy autistically degenerate accounts that go over the top to be edgy and then act surprised when people have even mild negative reactions. The ones that also constantly engage "antis" instead of muting/blocking them like god intended
I would not wanna be associated
As far as I'm aware, KJG wasn't some kind of savant; he just drew all the time. He would fill a sketchbook in one day.
If you want to be on KJG's level, follow in his footsteps. There's no magical solution to being good at drawing; sure, studying fundamentals from books helps, but 99% of learning to draw involves just drawing a lot.
talked to an artist who knew him and she basically said this. He was always drawing
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If anyone needed a good reason to not feel sympathy Angela Vondra aka handsomehugs/340678002x9/politepuppet she surrounds herself with open sex pests now despite claiming to be anti abuse. There's a rabbithole of degeneracy to find here.
I looked her up and it seems like her twitter is already suspended.
NTA but she's on Baraag, she was posted about before >>1444569
I've seen her mentioned on /co/ before. She's a degenerate pedophile who likes drawing straight shota and her audience is full of 4chan pedos
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….where’s the joke
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reminder to collect your free clippys
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What are your 2023 art goals? for me,
>build a fanbase
>finish all Loomis books
>be able to make something similar to pic rel by the end of the year
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Good luck nona! My 2023 art goals>Draw majority original art instead of fanart to strengthen portfolio.>Make mini book projects like a mermay compilation or sketchbook zine, etc. throughout the year.>Attend more cons.>Get an illust agent by the end of the yr.
Best of luck and strength for all art-chans in 20203!! >Shifting my mindset to become more focused on my art (I get too distracted by my dopamine desires to just consume)>Consistent streams to build audience >Build a new website/portfolio site and include a shop>Go part time at work to spend more time on art>Start comic & set up patreon for said comic>Finish coloring book pages >>1448179
I love the book project idea! I've had a burning desire to either make or collab on a zine for a while now.
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thank you! gonna do my best to plague the net with pc98 inspired anime boys
>>1448003>Focus on pieces that can tell a story: an elaborate pic, a game, or a comic>Finish website that will host all of this. It'll be a portfolio with interactive stuff
I share overlap with you both>>1448003>>1448078>>1448832
I hope I find you and your boys someday! I've been getting back into pixel art, though not to the extend of pc98. I've been interested in the hi-bit era styles.
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Im very suprised this artist hasn't been posted here.(I mentioned her in the bad art thread)I used to follow her for great gatsby comics but stayed for the weird rants she goes on her stories. If I remember right she also had beef with a big artist
She's clearly mentally ill but she doesn't like being told to not to post her rants . Her antics are wild
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So artstation has been having an AI related chimpout for the past week or so, as most of the nonas here already know. As much as I despise AI art, I think the concerns of artists are unfounded because AI art is always glaringly obvious to anyone who isn't an aesthetically inept reddit coomer, and I actually don't think it will ever overcome those limitations. It will evolve in terms of rendering, but that's all. If anything, it only makes human artwork stand out more - the more you look at AI shit, the more you can spot it. As >>1431428
correctly observed, it's because everyone can actually tell it's AI derived without being able to point out why, which is why it's already devoid of value to the very coomers pushing it.
I'm not just talking about the crab hands with 7 fingers or the blobby eyes. Like one of the nonas said above in this thread, AI art lacks all intention and sense of design. The algorithm doesn't know why the metal swirly motifs around the bottle need to be in a particular location to convey something, it just slaps them on because it can easily detect its edges in whatever trash tier mobile game asset art it's bashing them from >>1415936
. Because of this, AI artwork always looks absurdly busy and overrendered for no particular reason, even though it looks solid in terms of light and shadow. There are people who draw like that, but their work also "loses" to those of artists with a good taste and is generally unmemorable.
Perhaps one day AI will have taste and intention, but that's probably as far away as true full self driving. The redditor type that hypes up the "it's over for humans!!!" perspective is fully delusional about the actual potential of AI and machine learning in general. They think their basic code monkey skills grant them expertise on vastly more complex topics in computer science. That's how they all fell for Musk's bs, for example.
Which brings me to another point - the only ones who actually should feel threatened by AI are the "artistic" subset of the crowd that pushes AI art - coomer gravure artists who serve programmer paypigs. AI is remarkably good at creating blandly posed, generic, blank faced, autistically overrendered eye candy with "sexily" broken anatomy and genshin impact tier outfits - you know, that
art. They will absolutely have to step up or be largely eliminated by midjourney et al. It's kinda funny to see them gloat about "replacing" artists when that's absolutely not what's going to happen. It's just going to devalue the already mediocre work of their coomer friends. I can see most assets for $3 anime datesims nobody plays being AI generated in the near future, and it's exactly what their audience deserves anyway.
Finally, AI tools are supposed to let people who do not have technical art skills to express their ideas through a visual medium. But what's lost on most non-artfags is that people who don't do art generally do not have anything interesting to visualize in the first place. The mind's eye is equal part talent and honed skill. People who never bothered to convey their ideas visually don't have it. From what I've seen, the "I have so many ideas and I have stable diffusion now, watch out!" types burn out after their Nth iteration of "Donald Trump HR Giger style" and quietly fade away.
Sorry for the TL;DR and more AI shit. This is mainly for people like this nona >>1442172
you seem to be under the misconception that the general public has anything resembling good taste. they do not, which is why you have AI accounts on twitter and instagram with more followers than competent artists whose work is genuinely good but lacks mass appeal.
people love generic and overly rendered, which is one of the reasons that artists with poor fundamentals can become popular by camouflaging those problems with rendering. meanwhile, no one particularly is interested in a beautiful, anatomically accurate and well-shaded sketch except for artists who have developed that sense of appreciation.
people by and large are philistines; it's specifically only those who actively try to hone their abilities who are effected by limitations in art or style. you don't realize it, but your entire thesis here spells out exactly why AI is dangerous to commercial artists.
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Although some of the major things that happened on her stories. Ie; documenting her breakdowns and stuff with the artist(she got really angry about it) have been deleted (I didn't know lc back then) . She keeps changing her name and deleting some stuff so it's often I lose her .she's not a bad artist per say I would say she's atleast eccentric maybe . Her political rants are always funny though
Yes, this is exactly what I think is likely to be automated away - lowest common denominator coomer pinups. Ai completely shafting emerging coomer artists is entirely possible. Why pay some wlop/kronprinz/sakimichan for a polished anime turd with knights/overwatch nudes if you can get something similar from a prompt? Getting established as an artfag has never been easy, but serial coom art has always been a good shortcut. It will be interesting to see what happens to it now though.
The argument that art is defined by plebs rather than somewhat inherently elitist is debatable, but you are correct in a sense that the most accessible art will be devalued. I'm not convinced that it won't improve the situation for artists whose work is interesting, though. Humans recognize patterns and AI artwork is more clockable the more you look at it. Rather than devaluing art as a whole, a possible outcome is AI art (and real art most resembling AI art) will be devalued.
Unpopular opinion, but as a traditional + digital artist I tolerate AI and even find it useful sometimes.
I think screwing around with different prompts and seeing the outputs help realize/organize my thoughts, or even act as a creative springboard.
If you're a traditional artist anyway AI poses no threat; they can't paint on canvases or walls (yet), and even if they could, the kind of person who is willing to shell out thousands of dollars for a commission is not the same person turning to AI for something quick and easy.
If you're a digital artist, I think you've just got to wait out the storm or adapt. I honestly don't think AI art is going to be the big deal that most people are crying about. To me, it just seems like a fad; the majority of the people who are using it are normies stylizing their selfies or coomers.
What's more, AI is shit at drawing hands, feet, and, sometimes, faces. Human digital artists still have a good ways before AI poses a genuine threat, if ever. I'm generally pretty luddite about a lot of things for various reasons, but AI doesn't seem like a big bad bogeyman to me. The only real downside it that a lot of the AI compositions are made from works created by real artists, which is a pretty tricky scenario to navigate. I certainly don't want my art to be plagiarized by these machines. I definitely agree with >>1449964
to an extent.
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I advocate for stealing AI "art" on principle. Some particularly deluded proompter code monkeys love to talk to themselves about how they're "replacing" real artists and how they will be able to sell their AI shit. The problem is, he'll still be outdone by someone who can use AI AND can draw.
I think I might raid some AIfag artstation gallery and see if any of that cloying shit can be made into something cool.
Maybe stealing their AI images is the only way these moids will get it kek
If anyone is willing to spend a little time, create a redbubble account and put various AI images on things to sell, and advertise your shop under the AI tweets or posts. Even if it gets taken down, annoying these losers for a day would be worth it
This is the best writeup on the AI discourse I've seen. There's a HUGE elephant in the room regarding AI art: it's able to replicate a lot of things because it's feeding from a market that's been hyperproducing material at a fast rate that doesn't vary much at the foundation.
AI has amazing potential as a tool. It could easily be used to source artists, designers, and photographers who opt their collections into the dataset and be paid royalties each time their image gets pulled (and a bonus if their name is used), similar to how Soundcloud pays a royalty each time a song is played. That's just one example.
Unfortunately, with it being released during a high period of ridiculous levels of consumption, this realization may never come.
I'm a trad and digital artist who's been using AI to make mood boards, ideate a concept, get color pallets. I'm old enough to remember the trad vs digital debate, when there was never really an argument and that digital helps a trad artist set up for large scale pieces, save their artwork digitally, have easier access to printing, and plan out their colors.>>1450032
This is what I've been telling other artists to start doing. We know how to build on top of the generated spam while making it more than just a basic "fix" with the lasso tool (they bring that up a lot), or a paintover. These AIbros spam by the hour, so there are tons of things you could take for your work. There isn't a damn thing they can do about it. ArtStation, Pixiv, DeviantArt, Twitter. Go there and take the most popular pieces and from the most popular accounts. It won't matter if another artist uses the same base you do, because it won't look the same once you're done with it.
Bonus points if you sell it as a trad piece to remind these bros how flexible artists and their skillsets are.>>1450083
This is the way.
>>1450246>These AIbros spam by the hour, so there are tons of things you could take for your work. There isn't a damn thing they can do about it. ArtStation, Pixiv, DeviantArt, Twitter. Go there and take the most popular pieces and from the most popular accounts. It won't matter if another artist uses the same base you do, because it won't look the same once you're done with it.
Bonus points if you sell it as a trad piece to remind these bros how flexible artists and their skillsets are.
This sounds like a great social media art challenge. Take popular AI images posted by techbros and paint over them and claim them as your own work (well it would be) I think this would only make an impact if many people participate with a consistent hashtag.
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Kek, it would be like the legendary Nibru thread on conceptart.org (too bad it's deleted now, shit was hilarious).
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Oh, I know about the copyright aspect. It's absolutely disgusting, but unfortunately the art industry doesn't have the same amount of shills music does.
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i think everyone who defends or shrug off AI at this point is either a shill or incredibly ignorant. Less than 6 months ago this was the best the AI could do, its not at ''its limit'' because it has infinite learning material, and it will keep getting better until there is no distinction between something made by a person and by an AI.
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here's another one, these are from february btw, when people said the AI was already at its limit. Its learning incredibly fast and by next year it will probably be able to recreate with ease something like the top pixiv images.
Feds likely won't do anything, because every first world country's government needs/wants to get savvy and on top of all sorts of AI generation. Banning it actually puts them at a massive disadvantage to other countries, not an advantage. It's too easy to use it for operations, and they don't want to be vulnerable.
They'll likely clamp down on those individuals who make CP, but they probably won't neuter AI image generation as long as China and other parts of the world are still using it. Certain models have literally rolled back updates or filtered out NSFW content because they realized people would/could far too easily make illegal content.
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It will always be clockable because AI doesn't understand design or intent, which you can see from the poor outfits and meaningless scenes. There is no way to tag some random swirl on some Korean mmo tier chick in a way that explains why it's there and why it's a specifically (for example) a jacket swirl, not a piece of jewelry on her head. This is why AI designs generally look simultaneously bland and busy, and even plebs will be able to tell that's something's off.
The rendering will improve like what your image shows, but that's all. You can make an argument for AI filling out technical skill gaps, but you still have to be able to draw to produce anything truly competitive with the kind of AAA artwork AI trains from. Also proompters are devoid of taste, so for all their talk about AI unlocking the hidden potential of people who can't draw, all we see is some variant of "big booba anime girl" or "cool ninja cyborg knight vray 4k ultra hd". There's literally nothing else. Their ideas are pleb tier and always will be, because it's generally impossible to have someone with artist quality concepts and absolutely no desire or ability to realize them via artistic skills (unless we're talking artfag who lost their hands in an accident or something). People who don't draw/photograph/direct films simply can't have any sort of skill-locked unique vision because "inspiration" and "creativity" need to be constantly trained and developed. Look at pic related, the AIfag is trying to pull the "use AI and then manually clean it up", but it looks like corny, broken shit because he fundamentally can't draw or design.
Some problems in computer science can absolutely be solved by feeding more data to a ML algorithms, but some will cap out at a certain stage. Autonomous driving is a great example. The AI simply does not fucking understand what it's actually looking at if the context changes, and I can guarantee that autonomous driving image recognition is miles ahead of shit like midjourney lmao. That's why the notion of relying on computer vision alone in that problem was buried a long time ago.
Why did the AImoid upturn her nose and turn it into a pig nose kek He also fucked up her teeth and hair, and took the soul out of her eyes. The face the AI was taking from was drawn by a professional while the loser on the right struggles to make ~changes~
And you're right, normies don't have the imagination to create interesting images. If they had a bone of creativity in them, they'd already be drawing or knitting or sculpting.
You were me until the MS paint part. He was so nitpicky it's like he just wants a base drawing to paint over on.
He's so unbearable that it was like he'd commission people just so he could spam their inbox lol.>I didn't even retweet it
good luck nona.
I want to reach a good point in my webcomic so I can go on hiatus again.
Not much a goal but I hope to actually finish my commission queue from who knows when. I haven't taken any money because I knew I'd be swamped but not like this.
Along with work and comics, I want to have a good balance with my health and art. Like figuring out when to exercise and still feeling productive art-wise.
except that it just makes life for actual artists even more difficult.
saying "but it doesn't look good to me" is nonsensical in a world where sakimichan is one of the most popular working artists out there.
saying "it doesn't have artistic sensibilities" doesn't help the artists who have had their work stolen and plagiarized without permission or compensation while the people feeding the AI with licensed works are charging for its use.
the problems with AI aren't imaginary and they're not a lifetime away. they're here right now, in the present.
You have to remember that drawing like sakimichan by hand is still rare, and very few people can actually do this even though it's pleb tier among artists. She's also very prolific and spammy. AI can actually do what she does (floating overrendered pinups). What's gonna happen to artists like sakimichan and their popularity? Yes, a ML algorithm forgery won now. What's gonna happen when there's more AI spam everywhere and everyone's brains are used to it?
You see, your opinion is that once everything is terminally saturated by midjourney, art will be devalued as a whole. I'm leaning towards the opinion that this will lead people to seek out things AI can't do. AI is impressive at a glance. It gets very old very fast the more you look at it.
It very much reminds me of early trannies on the internet and how everyone was "fooled" by them, but now everyone can clock them the more of them are around. "Visibility" entirely killed the concept of "passing", and the more superficially "convincing" they become, the more uncomfortable and out of place the details appear to look.
again, you're making it about the future when the problems with it already exist in the present.
people's work has been stolen and others are making money off it literally right now. if this were about 1:1 plagiarism, i doubt you'd be sitting here handwaving it and making excuses for it like you are with AI.
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I'm not making excuses and I'm 100% in favor of banning artwork from datasets, because it's not getting "inspired", it's literally photobashing with stolen assets. There's no argument for banning this for music (and even coding, funnily enough) but permitting it for art.
All I'm saying is that AI isn't going to take our jerbs, it's just probably going to change which human art is valued more.
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Because that AImoid has some base level of skill (shit tier in my opinion), but it still miles away from the level of artists AI is photobashing from. That's why his corrections are fucked in terms of both fundamentals and design (lmfao at the crooked pig nose and the obligatory odd laser eyes). Which to me suggests that in order to even utilize AI as a tool effectively, you have to possess a trending on artstation 4k ultra hd™ level of skill to begin with
This is a proompter that can already sort of draw, mind you. Proompters who can't are absolutely fucked.
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This artist is 19 omg. I'm 23 and I am absolute shit
Does anyone have a good practice plan to follow?
By "practice plan" I mean a weekly schedule. Like 'draw figures Monday, master study Tuesday', etc.
I need to return to job hunting next year and I have a huge senior project to finish so I am picking the absolute worst time to get back into art but I so totally regret wasting these past few years on doing nothing but coasting through university…I wanna draw again nonas pls spoonfeed me
You wanting to be spoonfed is part of your problem. If your passion is any deeper than "this kid is better than me and I don't like that" you will find a way. Look at their work and tell me what you like about it. Isolate what you want to improve.
Do you want to learn backgrounds? Go do that. Perspective? Go do that. Character design? You know what to do. Draw draw draw. Going by the example you posted, and not to knock the artist because I'm not familiar with them, they've got a handle on a somewhat interesting perspective but the concept is just "floating rpg fantasy islands with fantasy person gazing at them". There's story for your imagination but this is nothing that you can't achieve. The use of brushes provides texture, and this artist knows how to imply shapes through the grass and island in the bg without getting caught up in detail. The figure is neither here nor there, but they can clearly forgo excessive detail in order to get the whole across.
The colors (imo) are too bright and lack nuance. While there is shadow in the pic it's not executed in a way that implies light cast over the whole image (at least not in a very clear way). The background distance is muddy in it's execution. The light and shadow resembles an overcast day but that seems like more a result of the colors used than something executed on purpose.
I don't mean to bash this artist at all but this work is not particularly amazing. It's nice, but it's nothing you can't do once you understand what you're looking at.
Biggest point though Nona is not to fall into the age trap. You're not old, you're not that much older than this artist, and you have to understand that your age group has SO many resources available for both traditional and digital artists that just weren't around when I was your age, for example. You'll kill your own creative spirit if you play this game with yourself. Draw, stop looking at pretty art online with an envious eye. Instead, figure out what you like and learn to do it.
anon, this isn't very good. just how bad are
This artist understands how to block in large shapes and how to use a mix of warm and cool colors to indicate light and shadow.
My suggestion would be to do painting (not drawing) studies of photos with different lighting. Studying from photos is great because the hard work of achieving good color has already been done for you by nature. All you have to do is observe.
Watch this video and follow his advice!
pc98 art is gorgeous but a large portion of the games are hentai or just werid. If that doesn't bother you, here are a few resources.https://www.myabandonware.com/browse/platform/pc98/https://archive.org/details/PC98GAMELIBRARYhttps://www.pc98.org/main.htmlhttps://pc98central.com/PC-98_Scanned_Manual_List.htmlhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pc98/comments/jafuvp/is_there_a_database_of_pc98_games/
Here are some resources if you'd like to play the games or just get images. Search the ones you like specifically and youll find more. I recommend playing through some as many have guides and aren't too hard. You'll get the best art and can make screencaps this way.
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Unrelated, but seething /ic/ moids trying to redefine pajeetry or shilling for pajeetry as "female behavior" will never not be funny. You don't even need to write an algorithm to predict when an upset front pole is going to project onto mommy, you just know it's guaranteed to happen.
Also ngl, watching male artstation fags (who, like all moids, no doubt unknowingly fap at revenge porn or CP in their pornhub coom sessions or even directly reference it for their pleb pinups) screeching "I DO NOT CONSENT! THIEVERY! DELET THIS! EXPECT LOLSUIT" is giving me a hearty kek.
the problem is those arent actual signatures, they're random scribbles approximated because it doesn't know what it's even doing, just that having writing in the image is what the model prescribes. all of it is random shit guided by someone's prompts and whatever model it's running on. >you can find actually identifiable, pixel to pixel copypasted regions in some AI work
i've never seen this, link? though i have seen AI "artists" do this on their own to try and improve their deformed generated pics or try to "fix" real art with it using inpainting etc, the AI doesn't do it automatically
Lmao thank you nonnie
, the power of being a poorfag!!!
They are signatures and those mangled writings resembling Alamy and Getty logos are in fact Alamy and Getty logos. It only looks "very approximated" because it's being photobashed from a million images simultaneously instead of 5-10. The sheer amount of data that's being stolen from is what creates the impression of learning and reinterpreting, but it's not what's happening at all.>>1452133>>1452148
Have you tried proper vector graphics nona? It's a lot more mouse friendly.
Of course your lineart sucks, you're using a mouse. Invest in a cheap tablet, you can get one for less tha $50 these days. Not only are you damaging your wrists, you are making things unnecessarily harder for yourself. It's not something honorable, it's just stupid.
If you can't afford a tablet, draw traditionally with a pen to practice inking.
ay dios mio i'm not trying to be honorable I just can't afford it right now and was hoping there would be some good tips. in art you always hear it's not what you have but how you use it so I didn't want to make excuses >>1452261
still interesting and good to know! thank you for the advice
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There are also large collections on e-hentai, so if you find one you really like i recommend searching it there to find the rest of the game CGs. There are also a bunch of ps1 VNs with the same style.
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Nice pedo bait art dumbass
Doesn't change the fact you can't draw a stickman KEK
The fact you approve of AI because it will replace artist you personally disapprove of is concerning, specially your glee over dating sim artists losing their jobs because their art goes against your radfem ideology or something (most of the artists for this kind of shit are women).
Everyone deserves to be rewarded for their years of training no matter if you find it generic shit like sakimichan or wlop. AI is going after concept artists too, not just anime and coom, just anything that is very trendy and sells and thus there are many artists posting those genres of works online that the AI can steal from. If we all move on to do something else the AI will start to learn how to replicate that "else".
Again AI is only great at generic concept art, rendered gravure anime and semirealism because this is what plagues the internet the most, so it has more data to borrow from.
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Yeah except this corporate blob art is not considered art by anyone and has been widely derided for years. Also it's vectors, not paintings, generally used for website design and scalable ads; nobody thinks it's art including the people who made it.
And the ai art is sourced from real skilled working artists (muh trending on artstation) creating concepts on commission.
So they are both commissions but for different purposes and clientele.
The wierdest thing how ai bros shit themselves over remixed art while deriding the artists who painted it, reminds me of how moids shit on women despite desperately wanting a woman to love them kek. I'm pretty sure the venn diagram of ai bros shitting on artists and men who say women are all hoes who hit the wall at 30 is a circle
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I have been using a Wacom tablet for almost 10 years now and I don't know if I can justify sinking £1000 + into an ipad pro. Does anyone know if its worth buying? From what I can tell they've kind of cornered the market but at the same time… 1k?? Ahhh
The iPad is portable in a way my tablet isn’t. I use procreate in place of photoshop and Manga studio 5. If you’re willing to adapt and work around the tools and play with brushes procreate isn’t bad. There’s another one I forget the name of that functions like a free SAI on the iPad too.
It’s not exceptionally good. Unless you have a reason to change I wouldn’t get it unless you can use it for more than just drawing and have other reasons.
The Wacom is broken.>>1458087
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll watch some tutorials today and see if it looks useful. Probability is a huge pro too.
Can you try it in the mall?
I went to a mall yestrtday and admittedly i enjoyed Samsung tablets pencil feel a lot more than iPad. The hype around iPads makes me feel as if I am guilty and SHOULD know that somehow they are better than iPad. Samsung also had CSP installed there whilist with iPad i had to try their ProCreate app the interface of which i didnt like too much. Maybe theres something wrong with me idk.
Do you have an image in your head that you want to get good enough to draw?
I have a whole list of ideas of how I want to draw my husbandos and it's just a matter of getting good enough to do them justice.
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nonnies what is the best resource to learn how to draw muslces? i want to draw hajime no ippo yaoi
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miyata and ippo or ippo and takamura. I would like to draw pov femdom too, since there isnt much of it.
Search up how to or artbook with muscle on e-hentai, there's a lot of books.
Also Anatomy for Sculptors or just looking at real life reference.
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Good taste anon. May I suggest ippo + alexander and ippo+ Sendo? May I ask for you to grace my eyes at some point with these?
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Are people really getting suicidal over AI art ?
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I've no experience with taking commissions, but does anyone know if there is something like skeb, a commission platform, or a good place to start taking requests?
Would love to maybe take a couple of requests when I can't think of what to draw myself.
totally forgot that fiverr exists, thanks.
I'll see if I can find someone on there with a similar skill level/style to compare pricings and such
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Silly artists, no average joe would subject themselves to adjusting art for CMYK printers, mass ordering prints, mass ordering acrylic charms, and regularly going to the post office to send out mail just because their computer did a third of the work for them.
That's just wrong, a lot of basic gamedev assets are already able to be AI generated so anyone who does that is soon to be out of a job because we all know that indies will say it's too expensive and big companies will love the lack of money they need to spend on artists.
The average artist is going to have to rely on people just really wanting art of their OCs for the most part. Normies don't care if something is AI or not.
Games don't use low-res 2D illustrations. Even the most basic baby's first visual novel will need scalable assets with transparency and different layers.
As someone who's in the indie game scene, I can tell you the only AI-generated indie games I've seen so far are the ugliest, clunkiest coomer visual novels that no one will actually buy, or games that switch to commissioning a real artist mid-development because the AI assets aren't actually scalable/technically usable.
Literally the only job AI could replace in gamedev is concept artists. That's a tiny portion of what game artists can go into and it's been oversatured for years anyway.
That's not even considering AI art can't be copyrighted. No studio would want to use assets anyone else can take and use freely.
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How do i stop caring about how much attention and likes i get on my drawings? I'm a hobbyist so that shouldn't matter but i still can't stop obsessing over numbers, i'm in need of constant validation because of my low self esteem. I genuinely can't stop, the moment i see that the art i posted got no attention i get so sad and frustrated and i feel like i'm not achieving anything. Some nonna here more mature than me send help i just wanna not care.
something that has helped me is movimg away from traditional artist social media platforms like ig, because i felt like a failure for not leaning more into the social side of things. i now only post my art online in one place, this really niche forum where I have my own art thread– that way, some people are still able to see my work and comment on it which always feels nice, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that it's usually only me seeing it. that way I can focus more on improving.
it's really hard not to hyperfixate on the amount of attention your art is getting, I know the struggle too well, but social media definitely is a large part of the problem. but good luck nonny
I believe in you!!
It’s not just you nonny
, I think every artists, hobbyist or not, get fixated on the numbers. I generally don’t find myself caring for numbers but once and a while I’ll catch myself obsessing over it. I blame the format of websites conditioning us to obsess over the “success” of our works
>>1461107>>1461111>social media definitely is a large part of the problem
I agree with this, i think social media is frying my brain, maybe a break can help me calm down.
Thanks for the advice nonna ill see what i can do, good luck with anything you want to achieve in 2023 aswell!>>1461146
I think the internet would be better if likes and number of views weren't public on social media.
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Sorry for the animu but I'd like a bit of critique on my work? I'm trying to get better at drawing anime/cartoonishly. This was just a practice sketch that I did in pencil so I won't post it anywhere else
Sorry for the weird crop/low-res I took this on my crappy old phone kek
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Hell Osamu Tezuka would just throw himself into his comics.
I like the shading on the face. There's not really any singular anime style so it depends on what you're going for, but the proportions seem a bit off. In my opinion, the head should be a bit broader and the face and nose a little less long, so that the eyes are closer to the tip of the nose.
Then you have a typical anime boy but like the other anon said, if your aim is to get better at drawing in general/anything else, anime won't help your progress much.
So should everyone just not draw cartoons? It's not just about "drawing from real life". I don't mean to be defensive or anything I just wanted to try practicing a different art style>>1463582
Thanks for the feedback. It's supposed to be Light Yagami from Death Note. I probably should've mentioned that in the original post