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>>1967432Thread to discuss the phenomenon of "fujoshi", the women that identify as such and the women who criticise it.
To a latter extent, discuss also the phenomenon of "yumejoshi" and "himejoshi", especially when it comes to the yume vs. fujo feud.
Discuss the history of fujoshism, speculate on its reasons, argue your opinion on it and exchange intelligent views with other farmers.
Topics include:
>Is the fujoshi-to-TIF pipeline real, or merely a symptom of something else?>Do fujoshi self-insert in the uke and/or seme? Or do fujoshi simply look at slash couples in a voyeuristic manner?>What is your view on the early 2000s phenomenon of identifying as a fujoshi "but not supporting real life homos"? >Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?>What is your opinion on omegaverse, and the het omegaverse which followed? >Are fujos addicted to pornography? Are yumes?>Why is fujo stuff so popular in Japan, a highly conservative, homophobic and misogynistic society? >Can yumes and fujos be friends?New questions:
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing? >Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they? Be respectful and do not infight. Honest discussion only.
No. 1972835
>>1972362>there's simply not a yume counterpart for that specific type of deranged behavior and obsession with exposing people to their fetishwhat about
rancefag with her constant cum bottle feeding fetish posts
No. 1972845
>>1972837Jé
sus that's the most repulsive thing I have ever heard of.
No. 1972867
>>1972837>Though at least I've never heard of fujos doing the sameRight, they date each other and start transitioning.
The Fujo to TIF pipeline exists.
No. 1972889
>>>/ot/1972788I feel like this isn't true. For the past few years it's been a few insecure fujo spergs trying to shift the whole ftm thing on to yumes which started this 'war' (retarded to think we're in some kind of flamewar, we are not on tumblr, newfags need to learn to integrate)
>>>/ot/1462726 ,
>>>/m/264165 ,
>>>/ot/1462726 . The yumecringe thread was even created in retaliation for the existence of the fujo cringe thread
>>>/ot/1412361 , not to mention that one time a twistfujo had a meltdown in the husbandos thread because someone husbando'd a twist character
>>>/m/213819 ,
>>>/m/213507 it was happening a lot at the time
>>>/m/213578 . The only people who believe in some sort of gay fight are the retards who think people who laugh at them are their enemy, rather than just normal posters here to laugh at cows because it's the environment their used to on old sites they used before this one. Everyone called 'anti' now used to be called yumes because of this mentality
>>>/ot/1628897 ,
>>>/ot/856980 ,
>>>/ot/895753 .
No. 1972914
>>1972899Ao3 is full of degens yeah but the userbase is a mix of gooning tifs and tims so I'm not sure how comparable it is to the 100% male gooncords
Fujochan is pretty barren in comparison, there's more discussion of series than porn pics
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Is it really that uncommon to be a fujo who looks at R18 but has no urge to coom to it? I've seen material that I thought was hot but I have never felt the urge to masturbate because I saw yaoi.
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Have a nice weekend. And sorry for whatever this is
No. 1972952
>>1972932Indeed
>>1972947Yeah tbh i should've left it out. It was a reference to schizo posts. Not an endorsement
>>1972940Kekkk i love fictional grandpas
No. 1972977
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>>1972975>strawmanyou can check the fujocoomer thread and
>>1970939Despite no one bringing up shota, antifujos still started screaming about how all fujos are pedos into shota blah blah blah.
No. 1972995
>>1972977Anon, you know it's referencing the shotaspammer right?
>>>/ot/1962796 and a fujo derailed the last fujocoomer cringe thread spamming how they thought shota was based
>>>/ot/1629403 and the yaoi thread had to implement a no shota rule. Even fujo chan itself has shotafag posters
>>>/ot/1741740>>1972981Nta but
>everyone I don't like is a nazi/into nazis/a homophobe or whateverYou are obviously a newfag who got kicked from tumblr kek. This is why you have people saying fujos fetishize gay men, you've fostered this retardation but only want it to go one way as defence. If any fujo deserves to be called cringe, it's ones into shota.
No. 1972997
>>1972981shota is basically a subsection of yaoi, 'anti-fujo' is not a body of work or coherent ideology, it's a label
victim complex tumblr fujos came up with by using tumblr pro vs. antishipper autistic terminology to reee about anyone critical of yaoi or anime in general
No. 1973008
>>1973003>despite no one bringing up shotaexcept the fujo that made the comic kek…
>like clockwork. No wonder they got so salty at the comic, it hit right home.and then everyone clapped
No. 1973011
>>1973008>except the fujo that made the comic kekShe was making fun of how spergy you guys are. You proved her right by calling all fujos pedos right after, just like Antihead did
>>1972940 . Hilarious.
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IRL Kikomi is an antifujo, ofcourse.
No. 1973128
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>>1973124she's racist too and has tranny ghoul hands lol. Imagine liking lolishit like strike witches and calling fujos ''shotafags'' for liking yaoi.
No. 1973152
>>1973147she said racist shit before the meme read the last part of
>>1973128you spend your days accusing fujos of all being pedo rapist groomers just because of your fanfic or a small minority so now that you are faced with a yurishitter who's on your side you cant use the ''w-well it's just a crazy anon she doesnt represent us!''. You reap what you sow.
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Yurishitters are lolicons and fujotards are shotacons, everyones even now
No. 1973164
>>1973152>you do xThis sites anonymous anon, not everyone is your personal boogieman. Sorry you're larp isn't very believable.
>>1973156Yeah, it's honestly pathetic. Imagine posting your own hand on lc. I noticed the whole using the 'fetish' word too because that's something they feel called out for and is used against them.
No. 1973206
>>1973193This is as believable as the mtf tranny that larped as a fujo to get the tradthot thread shut.
>>1973156The larper even censored itself with * . They tried to hit every point they think they get criticised for like shota, fetishizing gay men, etc. and interlaced their own 'everyone who thinks I'm a retard is male' shit. They even started posting different stuff after anons said utena wasn't loli so they had to go find a different picture.
>>1973198At least doing it in the cringe thread is on theme as it is fujo cringe.
>>1973201>Antis, antis, antisThis is your first mistake newfag, thinking it is people who hate bl and not just anons who hate retards who cannot help but sperg about being called cringe.
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>>1973205Nta but if paki-chan is the "face of anti fujos", then Aidens are the face of fujos.
No. 1973224
>>1973220Its due to social media.
Just look up the stuff going on with TikTok and China purposely researching into how to get people addicted and rotted through it. Why people try to seperate all the causes when it's clearly internet brainrot is beyond me.
No. 1973263
>>1973224What gets me is that most can agree that social media absolutely bombards people with hypersexualized women, cruel beauty standards, and misogyny, that the feed and recs can be full of gendies shilling your interest (whatever that may be) as actually being about transgenderism and how it can help you feel in control and happy in a world where you're surrounded by prostitute bots and male hatred, but still say that it's the interest that's the main cause.
It's goes far beyond some niche jap genre.
No. 1973493
Turns out that the Yurishitter pedo was a known /g/ antifujo who used to shit the lesbian thread to sperg about fujos.
Sperging about fujos
>>>/g/363914posting about how she wants to rape fujos
>>>/g/363960Posting her discord
>>>/g/363983Vocaroo
>>>/g/364094her recommending oneeloli pedoshit
>>>/g/364750 No. 1973514
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This thread is bit of a shitshow, but let me offer my two cents as someone who used to be a spergy sort of fujo.
A lot of the most obnoxious fujo behavior comes down to the most vocal fujos in fandom being edgy, excitable kids. Many are probably riding the high of having found a way to express their sexuality without self-objectification or self-involvement. Alternatively, for some it may be a way to addressing their own same-sex attraction by gushing over fictional gay relationships. I think female yurifags tend to be calmer from the get-go because they don't want to alienate other women in fandom by acting "creepy" over female characters, and are as sick of the male gaze shit as everyone else. I wouldn't necessarily call slash/yaoi feminist (I'd rather not think about politics when consuming erotica), but I know it felt kid of liberating as a teen to act like men existed for MY amusement and sexual gratification when the society kept telling me the opposite.
Most fujos chill out as they get older, though these days some fall into the modern trap of trans cult that has slithered it's way to all fandom spaces. I don't think yaoi alone makes anyone troon out, but yaoi does tend to attract the personality types that are vulnerable to trooning out (like no one becomes autistic by playing with model trains, but there's a correlation with autism and being interested in model trains in the first place).
No. 1973543
>>1973538ayrt, I'm tying to explain some behaviors that fujos get criticized over. And writing essays over porn/erotica and people who consume it is as
valid of a topic as any.
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One of my favourite activities is genderbending BL pairings into (biological) lesbians. I like both the m/m and f/f version of the same pairings and draw fanart accordingly, yet fellow fujo friends have criticized me in the past because they "don't want to see lesbians" they're into BL to see BL and asked me to tag and spoiler it. What is this phenomena? If you're a fujo who is already into gay ships, wouldn't you be at least neutral towards a genderbent BL ship? I understand when it comes to het, I hate het and would never make any of them het.
No. 1973567
>>1973558i assume its every fujos preference i dont mind genderbent bl ships at all and some fujos are straight and dont necessarily read yuri
some ships work amazingly in yuri but i think thats because im lesbian myself
i also genderbent my husbandos tagging is just common internet etiquette keeping it separate doesnt hurt anyone plus it makes it easier for people like me to find it
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>>1971863If a fujoshi were to ever acknowledge the reality of what actual male/male sex is like it would destroy them, because they've always written straight sex and basically lie to themselves.
No. 1973571
>>1973563Not my intention, and that's kind of an interesting thought. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense if you consider two propositions:
- Fujoshi A, who are into m/m pairings, do not want to see depictions of women in romantic relationships because they are straight. This is fine and good, yet those same fujoshi also don't want to see het pairings of any kind, despite being straight.
-Fujoshi B, who are into m/m pairings, do not want to see depictions of women in romantic relationships because they are lesbians. For the same reason, they also do not want to see het pairings.
How to explain? For Fujoshi B, one could say they deal with internalised homophobia and liking BL but not GL is an expression of that. Yet this statement is highly controversial and has been criticized a lot even ITT. For Fujoshi A, dislking het pairings might be because of internalised misogyny, but that is also highly controversial topic ITT.
No. 1973577
>>1973571I think rather that most fujoshis are traumatized heterosexual women who get
triggered seeing femaleness in a romantic/sexual context. Either explanation certainly explains some of them though
No. 1973582
>>1973577Or… maybe they just like a community filled with creative women with no involvement of real life males and a very colorful selection of different ships not restricted by males cooming all over it. Weird how nobody here seems to consider that, it has to be some psychosexual analysis of how they're just traumatized pornsick bitches.
>>1973578Nope. The amount of straight as an arrow women I know who goon all over anime mommy waifus and lolis but would never go near a real life pussy are a true testament to it.
No. 1973583
>>1973578I think seeking out solely men in romantic/sexual situations, and getting
triggered at the mention of any femaleness is either heterosexuality or internalized homophobia like the other anon said. Being attracted to women yet never seeking out depictions of them in romantic/sexual situations simply doesn't make sense
No. 1973626
>>1973605>i disagree so it's retardednta but your explanation could be considered retarded too since the vast majority of straight women aren't into gay romance, they prefer being able to relate to the female character, and they wouldn't enjoy reading about two guys having anal sex at all even if they're both handsome. now of course there are also women like you
and also women who like gay romance because, as the other anon explained, they feel more comfortable without a female character for different reasons. nonna here
>>1973514 also explains it very well imho, and a lot of older teenagers/young women stop being into yaoi once they get more comfortable in their skin/sexuality. that's not to say that all women into yaoi have issues with it but it's definitely a thing.
No. 1973630
>>1973593>>1973595>>1973597the fallacy is what
>>1973586 described, the sexual relationships are obviously nothing close to real life male/male sex, so why pretend its between two males.
No. 1973657
>>1973654>a man fucking a man is not the same as a man fucking a woman. one is a fantasy, the other one feels a bit more personal so a man couldn't be gay and reject you in real life? ok
>>1973655because this is a thread for discussing things of that nature
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The root of the mental illness behind this entire discourse is the inability to separate reality from fiction.
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>>1973569Ffs it's not even hard to find bl that talks about this. Not everyone likes seeing enemas so obviously it's going to be done offscreen, how is that unreasonable? A lot even do hour to month long timeskips alluding to characters "preparing both emotionslly and physically in order to have safe sex". Do you seriously need to see dudes shit every time?
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>>1973662wait…
> paladinboo antifujo pickme from the moid farms. Claims feminism turned women into fujos and that all women have a rape fetish>was recently banned from kiwiscrotefarms for sperging on null >soon after the antifujo sperging began> same old sperging points lesbian fetish,psuedo women and intense tif hatredhmmmmmmmmmm
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>>1973672And there is literally BL that does show it. Picrel.
in an absolutely disgusting way No. 1973683
>>1973680Disgusting but
good. Just wish the ryona aspect had been similarly developed.
but I'm a huge fan of ending A No. 1973710
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I stay away from this thread for a few hours and come back to you guys talking about being rejected by gays? Feels like a new low
No. 1973732
>>1973724fujos are the ones saying they'd "rather be rejected by gays" because it doesn't reflect on their sexual attractiveness against other women kek
>>1973670 and then saying "women hate gay men because they "don't simp over women"
>>1973688 and because "those women are used to being the center of attention all the time"
>>1973685 . kinda sounds to me like gays to fujos are their haha gotcha "revenge" against sexually attractive women who are deemed more desirable by straight men and thus actual threats tbh, possibly to assuage the shame of having been rejected by straight men in favor of those same women in the past
>>1973677 No. 1973780
>>1973755This sounds misogynistic for some reason, also
>Being a fujo is a form of rebellion Kek why are you guys so ridiculous?
No. 1973793
>>1973732>>1973755I can't believe imaginary rejection is something people think about when shipping or self-shipping. It's bizarre. Imagine not deluding yourself into believing your husbando or OTP would be madly in love with you.
Anyways, the 'cuck' accusation anons throw around is hilarious because it doesn't land. Cuckholding is incredibly male, it relies on their obsession for hierarchy and oedipal complexes. 'Voyeur' would be more accurate but it isn't degrading enough for them i guess
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I don't get whose even arguing for what anymore.
No. 1973813
>>1973808Issue with femdom is that sometimes it's hard to find one's that aren't completely objectifying the woman rather than the guy.
What's the point if the male has no face? Or the ones where it's tagged as femdom but it's actually a switch, those suck.
No. 1973826
>>1973816i talk to my husband pretty often about my fujo interests and he watched maybe half of bang bravern with me and we had some really funny discussion. he even knows my primary interests is ryona.
we've been together 10 years and sex has even gotten better in the last 2 years since i switched up my birth control so i would say it hasn't had any negative impact on our relationship. i think it would be worse for your intimacy overall to hide something like this from your partner, tho most men arent ready to hear their wife's whump fantasies
No. 1973836
>>1973826Um, anon? What does your bc have to do with whether your bf knows you're a fujo?
>>1973816my bf and i met in the ace attorney fandom and he ships wrightworth
i mean so does everyone, but still No. 1973837
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>>1973826>bang bravern>primary interests is ryona. Isami sis
No. 1973855
>>1973850I'd say it depends on how into it somebody is. Self insertion is a red flag but shipping them like shipping any couple should be normal, no?
Like with Bravern, it's so obvious that men would have to be in denial not to see them attracted to each other.
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>>1973846You see, women liking lesbian ships is in no way indicative of being attracted to women but when women and men like gay ships it means they must be sexually attracted to moids. Because only sexual attraction to men is real.
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why did fujos have such a visceral reaction if anyone ever depicted Will Graham as straight? like I remember it seemed to set them off for some reason.
No. 1973931
>>1973870I feel like a lot of "x female reader" would be more in the I can save him/I understand him variety on account of the story so it's pretty understandable that people would go "what are you doing?? Dont save him, you're supposed to let him drown!"
I guess there could also be serial killer oc, but hard to write that without being cringey in general.
No. 1973932
>>1973839Same.. You're not alone nona
>>1973816My bf is a fudanshi and i'm a fujo/himejo (i know kek). I knew he liked some m/m ships but i really realized it when i found BL manga in his childhood bedroom. It's just a little plus when it comes to our shared anime/manga interests. We sometimes watch yaoibait sports anime and BL movies. We like to joke about our headcanons for characters and come up with silly scenarios. I was actually pretty timid about it in the beginning of our relationship. He once called me a fujo casually and i got really mad because the word was tainted by overexposure to older moids and their hatred for BL (fujo= stupid little female fan). I wasn't ashamed of my interest but the term had become so negative it made me weird. I'm over that now. Anyhow, i think a nigel supporting your fandom activities is the bare minimum, shipping or husbando/waifu or else. Moids' discomfort with it is the mark of childish, hateful disgust for female sexuality. Blog over
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Christ, what on earth happened while I was away? I can't follow this convo anymore at all. Who dumped cocaine into the water supply?
No. 1973998
>>1973979being a fujo is about enjoying two guys dating eachother, not you dating them or did i miss something?
>>1973980just because you disagree with something doesn't make it bait. have fun reporting me cockbreath
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At this point I'm less interested in what drives fujos (or anti-fujos) than what drives the fixation with the topic in this particular site. Is it really just a few obessed anons fighting each other in every thread or is it something about the site culture that fosters the constant sperging?
No. 1974036
>>1974025i feel like its the antifujos that are actually driving the conversation, because they have their own containment thread to hate on yaoi/fujoism but they branch out so that they can continue to poke the bear in other threads. ignoring fujos is far more effective for stifling the debate than telling them to shut up. the psyche behind
why they cant ignore it is wrapped up in their
toxic view of female sexuality.
No. 1974060
>>1974050To be fair most het males are pornsick/into anal, or are unknowing HPV carriers (males are asymptomatic but will induce precancer to women) so dating any kind of male at all puts you at risk (and he will most likely have practiced straight anal anyway). Bi males are shitdicks, hetmales are smegma ridden cancerdicks AND shitdicks. I hope none of the people nagging bimoid nona are having sex with any men at all, HPV is infinitely more dangerous and has lifelong consequences than an UTI.
>>1974051You say it like licking pussy is bad. Anyone who acts like interacting with genital areas is irredeemable or automatically unclean is retarded and shouldn’t be having sex.
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>>1974059Ikr?
>too unattractive for your husbando to want youHoly shit, is this faggot serious? It's a
husbando, just use the creativity of your mind to create a pocket dimension where you have the circumstances and chemistry to be together. Did that anon really imply that there's such a thing as being too ugly for a moid that is meant to be of a fantasy
doesn't even exist? Holy shit, imagine feeling insecure for a man that doesn't exist. This reminds me of that other anon who had a mental breakdown because she saw fanart of her husbando with someone else. What in the autistic Hell is going on?
No. 1974160
>>1972829>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing? I guess it depends on the person and how they read their yaois. Being into fictional moids is still being into moids in my book. Idc what they identify as as long as they let me fawn over my waifus in peace.
>Why do fujos look at, draw and talk about yaoi together, while moids who enjoy hentai do so completely alone in their gooncaves?Wrong, moids have been forming communities around their porn since a long time and they're extremely autistic about it
>Are women who enjoy "male character with chopped tits and/or a vag" actually fujoshi? If not, what are they? Fujo or not, they are brainwashed by the gendercult.
No. 1974217
>>19740501) This has nothing to do with this thread
2) "Some anon said her friend told her x" is not a reliable source
3) If this woman's Nigel had e coli on his dick, that's clearly an issue with his hygiene specifically
>>1974099Statistically, most "bisexuals" are in straight relationships and have been with more people of the opposite sex. A lot of gay men refuse to date/sleep with bi men. The vast majority of bisexual men do not have HIV, and it's rarer with each successive generation. The majority of gay/bisexual men under 40 with HIV in the U.S. today are those who grew up in densely populated, impoverished urban areas with poor sex education. Monkeypox affected the same demographic. Unless you decide to date a bisexual guy from the projects, your suburban ass is not going to contract HIV. HIV is also way less likely to he transmitted via PIV than it is through anal because the microtearing associated with anal gives the vector direct exposure to the bloodstream.
TLDR, mind your own damn business and let anon date whoever she wants. She's an adult, I'm sure she understands the risks associated.
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>Nigel discussion
You people just cannot keep your business to yourselves in any fucking thread, can you?
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>>1973943I absolutely love the idea of a female Hannibal character, but you don't even really see other male characters like Hannibal either.
The average yandere type found in most BL (and even het stuff) feels too one dimensional and simplistic to capture/be compared to what was going on between Will and Hannibal. As you said, they really delivered a masterful course of slow burning drama and emotions that's incredibly rare to see in canon m/m relationships.
Also, I can only assume it's a lot harder to write another character like Hannibal, male OR female, than it is to write a nice savior/fixer character (which is why you see so many more Alana/Molly HCs on that side of things).
No. 1974237
>>1972917I suspect women generally(!) just don't masturbrate on their technically pornography all that much, not just fujos.
>>1973689KEK you're right.
>>1974230They want to fight. One of them is blackpill-chan apparently, and they love to fight. Found a new way to do it.
No. 1974251
>>1974248>>1974249Fair. And yes, you're right. Some seem to think this is some sort of flame war
>>1973502 or something, not just a fun site to laugh at cows.
No. 1974270
I'd love to know how much of this thread is people pretending to be like 3 anons at once and making some kind of gay little larp of multiple characters defending or attacking a post. Like for example this
>>1972928 is just funny OC and paints both sides as girl autism, but it still got three replies going after its use of the word shota.
No. 1974279
>>1974239Again, soap is a thing. Don't date moids with bad hygiene if you don't want poop in your vagina. Also, straight men put their dicks in women's asses all the time, so only dating straight men is no guarantee that your guy won't have a "poopy dick."
Why are anti-fujos and homophobes (not saying they're the same thing) so obsessed with poop? You guys talk about the poop aspect of anal more than any fujo, moid, or actual person who has anal sex ever does.
No. 1974290
>>1974279Ignore this
>>1974288 retard.
(infighting) No. 1974309
>>1974153Lolcows probably the only other place besides fujochan where you can air ones grievance with yumejos
>>1974270Cringe thread had a farmhand confirm it was only a handful of people going at it so these threads are basically just their thunderdome
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>>1974451samefag but i also feel it's very important for every nonna to read this (but they'll probably claim it's made up even though it's a common occurrence outside the internet)
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I have a genuine question for fujishi itt
Do you feel horny when reading yaoi? I just can't wrap my head around it. I did watch some yaoi when I was 13-14 and inexperienced with anything sexual so I did find it interesting but now as an adult many years later it just doesn't do it for me. Like maybe it could be cute or sum but I'm not interested enough to find out. And do you also watch hetero content (not just anime)? If you watch both is it a different kind of horny?
No. 1974616
>>1974609>Do you feel horny when reading yaoi?yeah, cute boys are cute
> And do you also watch hetero content (not just anime)?i tried getting into het content but it's all beta shit for submissive pickmes
No. 1974623
>>1974609Me, yeah, sometimes. Just like with het there are some that are hot, some that are nonsexual fluff, and some that are serious.
I watch het the same way. Percentage wise, there's more plot than smut.
No. 1974625
>>1974609Yes, but I don't masturbate to it. The sexual relationship is just one component of the romance between the characters. I really like enemies-to-lovers, which works really well in m/m fiction but feels unhealthy and rapey in straight fiction due to the inherent power imbalance between men and women.
There are straight love stories and ships I enjoy. I liked the straight romance in Kuragehime, for instance. I don't find straight stuff as erotic, mostly just cute or enjoyable. Hope that makes sense.
No. 1974725
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>>1974609I masturbate to both yaoi and regular straight porn. Whenever I finish to straight content, I feel a horrid sense of self-awareness contaminated by a sickly feeling. This is probably because most straight porn involves some form of self-degradation involving women (even if it’s not easily recognisable because it’s so normalised). On the other hand, when I finish to yaoi, I couldn’t be happier. Best wanks of my life, hands down. I leap out of bed with a smile on my face after spending the last 20 or so minutes fantasising about men going through the most humiliating, degrading, horrifying sexual ordeal known to man. Super refreshing and incredibly fun. In conclusion, yaoi is better for my mental and sexual health kek
No. 1974733
>>1974725So you admit you like and crave the humiliating and degrading parts of porn, you just don't want it to happen to females? It's so hard to relate when I have a low libido so I will just never get why people like porn to begin with, but it just sounds like you're into the same thing as the moids who create straight porn but that bothers you so you have to kind of distance yourself and pretend it's not the same by making it all males?
Or a VERY tinfoil theory is that maybe it's part of natural selection, women want to see who the strongest man is so she can mate with him herself, and part of that means he has to show himself beating up and dominating other men so you pick him over them lol
No. 1974819
>>1974698>They seemingly have no interest at all in the "normal" aspects of it and they get bored talking about canon because it doesn't support their ships. Some go into an absolute rage just from seeing their favorite ship in the "wrong" dynamic Is this an issue with newer fujos? I wonder
That weirds me out because usually women into anime are smarter, more knowledgeable and nuanced with more interest in deeper themes than others
No. 1975204
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thoughts?
No. 1975219
>>1975214Samefag, I am so sick of this proship vs antiship shit. Technically I’m a proshipper but any self identified proshipper is an annoying tranny or a goon of them with internalized misogyny. Even worse that they always try to justify why they like something deemed
problematic behind some political bullshit when you could just like stuff because, I dunno, it’s hot
No. 1975238
>>1975219I agree, I also hate how the fujo vs. antifujo thing has been absorbed by the broader proshipper vs. anti discourse, which is basically just TIFs arguing with each other about nothing. I really think fandom becoming such an ideological battleground has been ruinous in every way, but it's become very obvious with fujo discourse. I'm sure it's also why nufujos can't stop moralfagging for 5 minutes to absolve themselves of their dastardly transgression of reading anime men having
problematic gay sex. I blame TIFs for the downfall of fandom, we were never meant to contemplate the sociopolitical ramifications of who tops in Sasunaru.
No. 1975242
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>>1973525>I'm headcanoning her as that lescel Thai millionaire yurifagDon't compare me to that disgusting handmaiden. Trannies are freaks and deserve the rope. Then the fujolards will follow. Also I have a gf so I'm not a lescel.
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 1975246
>>1975242Although I dont entirely agree with some of your shitposts, I like you lesbianona
Who is your favorite ship in revue starlight
No. 1975253
>>1975249nta but this is such a dumb argument when trannies latch onto everything, especially among weebs
Should the nonas who post here about magical girls suddenly stop because trannies have co-opted them too?
No. 1975261
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I think the most annoying thing in the fujo discourse are the tif fujos who are also involved in too much online discourse, like
>>1975219 said. By definition, they would call me a proshipper, but because I think so many of them are annoying tifs, I get called an "anti" for hating on them
No. 1975266
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>>1975246MayaKuro, followed by Junnana and MaHiKaren, then FutaKao and MahiKaren, then HiKaren because it just fucking sucks. I also ship Judy and Mahiru because it's hot.
>>1975249So the one talking about conversion therapy is supposed to be the true lesbian ally instead of the one who just likes lesbian content? Lol.
No. 1975273
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>>1975268Hating on content that actual lesbians enjoy is the ultimate pickme behavior. There are posts in that /g/ lesbian thread of fujos hating female characters in any sort of media. So come tell me how hating on women who hate female characters is more pickme behavior than hating on women who love female characters.
No. 1975281
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>>1975274>so buttmad she needs to resort to the dicking lesbians shitpost for the second timeYou know, heterosexual women unironically deserve rape just for being so inherently homophobic. And yes, you fetishizing gay men is homophobic. I hope you get brutalized in the same ways of the pedoshota fics you read.
(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 1975302
>>1975291It literally just told me the same kek
>>1975290Most shotacons are the gay moids you pathetically defend. Either way, the rare female shotacons are genuinely harmless and not anywhere near as big of a deal as you claim it to be
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>>1975286I know you're on the ban for alogging, but holy fucking shit, how did this thread unironically come down to telling women to get raped for being homophobic thread? I thought fujoshis widely agreed that you can love mlm ships without actually liking gay scrotes IRL. Why is there so much capping for gay scrotes in this thread and just lately in general? Why are anons acting like fujos need to like actual gay scrotes IRL if they want to keep their yaoi fantasies? GodDAMN.
No. 1975384
>>1975372I don't care for it when they change the characters so much.
At that point, just make ocs. There's some that are legitimately interesting but instead of being their own thing they're just fan fetish to a gay couple and it's a little sad.
Be ambitious.
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Quite a revealing thread. I'm sure the fact that most of these characters are usually portrayed as feminized bottoms in fujo ships is just a huge coincidence.
No. 1975619
>>1975614Seems like
>>1975605 and
>>1975609 would enjoy that Validate game more.
No. 1975628
>>1975563I had a fellow fujo friend who shipped Obi wan and Anakin and always referred to it as 'oneeshota' with Obi wan being the 'ara ara onee' or something like that.
I don't ship 3DPD and I don't think I have to tell you that I found that part really fucking weird.
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>>1975628>I had a fellow fujo friend who shipped Obi wan and Anakin and always referred to it as 'oneeshota' with Obi wan being the 'ara ara onee' or something like that.It's something I'm quite interested in cause it basically confirms what we already knew, fujo ships are never between two male characters, it's one male and one gender swapped version of another male character.
No. 1975661
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>>1975658Like picrel is just a younger male/older woman fetish.
No. 1975668
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>>1975661actually nauseating to read. thanks!
No. 1975713
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It seems to me like every time someone acts like a schizo in this thread, antis decide that they're a fujoshi regardless of what their points are and who they're arguing with. Can't we all just roundly condemn people acting insane without trying to attribute it to the other side? I don't care which perspective they're arguing from, anyone who a-logs, derails, or baits doesn't deserve to be listened to or even acknowledged. It's not fair to reduce fujos or anti-fujos to the most unhinged takes you can possibly find.
No. 1975748
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>>1975713Agreed. Also as a yaoi enjoyer I hate both shota and mpreg, and while depressingly shota has always been mainstream depending on the fandom and what is popular at a certain point in time (for example, Black Butler), mpreg has always been niche… when the FUCK did it get so big? Am I being memely gaslit by this fujo cringe getting posted or are pregnant men actually becoming super popular? What's this, the crisis of a bunch of 30 yo women feeling their motherly instincts suddenly show up? Retarded gendie zoomers? All of the above?
No. 1975776
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>>1975748>are pregnant men actually becoming super popular?The "pregnancy" tag on AO3 seems to be the tag that includes all other related subtags such as Mpreg. There are 113K works for M/M pairings with a pregnancy-related tag. There are 6.1M works for M/M total. You do the math.
No. 1975788
>>1975776One more thing I found: Omegaverse was actually a lot lower than I first assumed; 165K for M/M fics total. I expected it to be much higher, like 300K-400K, considering how often I have to filter it out. I guess it's just a problem with the fandoms I'm in. (Deleted because I forgot het/femslash fics also use omegaverse and my numbers were wrong)
>>1975783I can't speak to the content or how fetishy mpreg works can get because I've only ever read one and it took the timeskip route
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Sorry to blog post.
>Are lesbian fujoshi actually a thing?
Yeah, more common than a lot of people seem to think. The early 2000's was a lonely time for female anime fans, much more for lesbians. Speaking from my own experience, having limited content (only Shounen), a lack of developed female characters in that media, a desire to get away from males who only saw the female character as masturbation fuel or worthless, and a yearning for a fucking crumb of anything gay was what led me on the path of being a fujoshi.
>Is being a fujoshi a way of escaping misogyny, or does it reinforce it?
It's funny how circular it can be sometimes. When I was younger it was an escape from male anime fans and their shitty takes. All they cared about were fight scenes, while my group would talk about relationships and emotional development and gay sex. It would have made more sense to rework female character into something we liked, but in all honestly I and a lot of my friends internalized the scrotes' misogyny kek. In a way being "not like other girls" was our cope to reject what males liked and wanted us to be, but also hate those images. And with that hate we could justify how special and right our little group was. Plus by then we were too deep in our delusional views of our bishies. They became extensions of ourselves and our precious gay babies.
If I did find a female character I like it either attracted more bullying from males or I'd have to put up with listening to their nasty fantasies. Ask any scote their opinion on Sakura vs. Hinata and you'd get hours of that shit. It was a plus that yaoi scared males away. But all in all it was a pretty shitty way to take in media. I feel like most of us breakout of it when we stopped being retarded high-schoolers, though.
Currently, I still lean more to yaoi than yuri, even though I rarely engage with either. I just hate how moefied most yuri is. In general, I've given up on any kind visual lesbian porn, it's all inacurrate trash. Besides some specific artists, I mainly read erotica.
No. 1975825
>>1975783You're not alone, that's exactly how I've always seen it.
I think there are a lot of knee jerk reactions to fujo tropes on here from people who don't actually read any of it. One thing anons don't seem to comprehend is just how little of it is smut - almost all fandoms end up dominated by G or teen rated fic with no sex scenes, the most common tag will inevitably be fluff, it's not inherently fetish content.
No. 1975862
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Why do you think antifujos are so insane? It's like they just can't hate something and move on, they gotta make it their personality and sperg about it constantly.
No. 1976012
>>1975261Holy buzzword spam how do these retards live like this kek
>>1975968>people on Twitter always invoke their ethnicities and sexualities on an online platform where no one can see your face and certainly no one know who you’re going around fucking or not fucking. Twittards do this all the time when they have no argument. I've seen people bring up their race as a crutch (ex. accusing someone of being racist because they disagree with them) even when their race wasn't listed anywhere. How the fuck can someone be racist to you when they aren't even aware of your race? The CSA dropping is always the weirdest shit ever too and it's clearly just done to make people feel bad and nothing else, okay thank you for telling me you were raped by your uncle but your point is still garbage.
No. 1976061
>>1975973>>1976042Op here. Yes primarily for the romance. It's easy to pick up something like Harada's work, which can be sexually graphic and have a storyline. Take in the story, skim over the sex scenes while taking in enough to understand how it may effect the story. It isn't rocket science kek.
And yes majority of my fujo era was while I was a teen, like I said. Every now and then I'll find something I like, but I'm not a huge fan anymore.
No. 1976083
>>1976067Tbh 2D men don't even register as men to me. They have nothing in common with living, breathing moids who are hairy and loud and take up space. Maybe it's similar to coomers losing attraction to real women, fiction and reality are two very different things after all. What media you consume can affect your life, but if it doesn't then I don't see the issue.
>>1976075Kek so someone could only date women all her life but looking at yaoi revokes her lesbian status immediately?
No. 1976104
>>1976067>wouldn't you think it's weirdNo? I think it's pretty fucking stupid to put so much thought into what genres people like to read, especially when it comes to what type of romance when manga is in such a way that it's all thrown mixed together on some site.
Frankly, going through your life without being curious at least once about a different sort of romance seems like it's more likely to say something about you.
As a lesbian, have you never been interested in reading a het/gay romance? Not once?
If you're straight, you'd never read a lesbian romance?
No. 1976115
>>1976067It's not weird if they read or watch gay romance from time to time, but it is weird if all they care about is male characters and yaoi/slash without giving an ounce of attention to female ones.
I think they're "lesbians" due to that thing they call """comphet""" and also as an attempt to avoid male attention and justify the intense love they might feel for a fujo friend.
Just the fact that the horny waifuposting thread in /g/ started for bishies turned women says a lot about these online "lesbians". Repressed bisexuals or confused straight women?
No. 1976117
>>1976112Rather than lesbians being weird for giving bl a try, it's more like men are so insecure about their sexuality that reading something gay would automatically make them think they want to fuck men.
Hence why the recent bl manga rewrapped as seinen and suddenly managing to do just fine with male readers.
No. 1976162
>>1976136Fangirls most of the time don't become obsessed with badly written male characters, unless it's just about the character's looks, but I've seen some obsessed and self-inserting into female ones who are clearly objectively badly written.
Anyway there is a clear difference between a badly written male character and a badly written female character, a different framework.
No. 1976169
>>1976144I mean if you want to use shounenshit as an example then megumi being a poorly written character doesnt stop him from being the no.1 popular character in jjk but maki/nobara who dont get sexualized or harassed arent even half as loved as mr bland plot device, the former even having her own plot relevance.
Truth is that writing quality of a male character barely matters as long as he fits into the perfect box needed to make a ship work.
No. 1976173
>>1976169You'd think Maki would be more popular.
I wish she was in her own manga.
No. 1976175
>>1976169nta but a character being sexualized doesn't necessary make her badly written imo just like not being sexualized doesn't make her good written.
I know GOT is controversial but Cercei and Dany were compelling characters for example
No. 1976182
>>1976172Nobara isnt that popular. Even the fucking non-character that does nothing but repeat rice ball ingredients has more fans than her
>>1976175I agree but that anon mentioned sexual harassment which is why I did, most people would say all those characters are poorly written though with Maki being the least “bad” out of the three. The disparity still exists despite that which proves that its never really about writing quality.
No. 1976388
>>1974733>VERY tinfoil theory is that maybe it's part of natural selection, women want to see who the strongest man isNta. Can't relate to this. I like the humiliated one. I suspect, the "fuck rods" are just a tool.
>>1975006Kek, you might be right to be honest.
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>>1976392Behold the psuedo-feline. Jilling off to him means you belong in jail for crimes against animalkind
No. 1976507
>>1976358You sure do a lot of explaining for group you clearly aren't apart of. How about you stop insisting that you know how all nerdy lesbians think, just because you know how a few of them feel. They don't speak for everyone either.
>>1976417Wow you really don't know shit about the majority of lesbians. Hmm, I wonder why these groups don't interest us?
No. 1976520
>>1976385nta and I have no issue with women being crude, but I have noticed a recent up-tick in female authors writing smut with a very 'male' bent when it comes to word choice, which is interesting. It's the sort of phrasing and focus that you could usually clock a male author for, like the text version of grimy hentai kek
(this is for both m/m, f/f, and het btw– the latter especially in published smut)
No. 1976580
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>>19765631. anime boys do not resemble any actual male that exists. if a lesbian gets off to the left i can’t in good faith assume she’d go for the right.
2. anime boys are basically objects. we all know a lesbian who likes taking a strap won’t like taking a dick. liking a cartoon =/= reality
No. 1976598
>>1976570ayrt and fair, though I don't think female-made smut needs to be like, indirect or less vulgar or anything. It's more how it for example fixates on cum/ejaculation and wombs using terms and ideas I'd expect out of some scrote's coom comic. Again, not a bad thing necessarily, just interesting and probably due to
>>1976566 or idk more women are just into it and not shy these days. I'm no porn scholar, I'm just part of a book club that only likes to read the latest 'spicy' books now kek and have noticed a shift there and online
No. 1976614
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>>1976609It's not like there's dick in bl to begin with
No. 1976685
>>1976633Nice homophobia nonni, but a lesbian wanting to be in female space does not mean they are "using it as a way to observe your sexual interests" or whatever garbled mess of a sentence you were trying to form.
Unclutch your pearls, no lesbians would bother being around someone so insufferable. We can find our own kind.
No. 1976720
>>1976708why would lesbians want to go anywhere near straight women and their semen-infested orfices
>>1976711are you confused? the homophobic anons are the ones that thing lesbians can be fujos because they think all lesbians secretly want dick.
(moid tier insults) No. 1976771
>>1976758and when lesbians refer to dildos they’re referring to a cylindrical object
>>1976763ok bmi 18+. it’s ok to be fat but you’re not cool just because you’re an anorexic amerifag
No. 1976781
>>1976773DA to be fair most of those women
are heterosexual and are not looking to converse with nerdy lesbians who like anime and manga.
No. 1976816
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>>1976802Typical fujo:
>I get off to drawn men but I don't see them as men No. 1976821
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>>1976656They do exist, but in small numbers (comparatively to gay men). In my experience many young so-called lesbians are confused/lying bi girls, especially online. This can undermine the claims of genuine lesbians, unfortunately. It's sad because you have to be suspicious of gay claims online even if suspicion impacts homosexuals (women especially) negatively.
>>1976122What is it with the genderbend hate? Why does it offend antifujos and gendies alike? There's a cruel lack of androgynous female characters, it follows that genderbent m/m ships will find an audience of women with tastes that diverge from fem x fem. I genuinely don't get this superiority complex, do the characters have to be organic big-breasted airhead original characters to count as f/f?
Picrel is a report of a lesbian otaku event by Morishima (female yuri mangaka). Make of that what you will
No. 1976849
>>1976842Nta but teenage boys resemble these characters more than any woman/adult.
It says a lot about fujos.
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>mods after they created two bait threads to reinforce another hellweek
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>>1976794>>1976792>>1976788What have I done.
I meant I assumed lesbians were half-looking for potential partners in nerdy spaces so they wouldn't want to 1. be into hair and makeup because that is not nerdy (nothing in common), and 2. be in a place that is largely heterosexual (makeup is largely marketed to women to attract men). I didn't mean to imply that that nerdy lesbians and nerdy straight women can't be friends or have anything in common either. But I imagine that they would be both looking for different things from the start, like a lesbian and a yumefujo might not have much in common fandom-wise, a lesbian would be looking for a yuri shipper or something but from what I've heard those spaces are full of trannies. Anyway sorry for the misunderstanding ladies didn't meant to sound like I was starting a fight.
No. 1976865
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>>1976861Nta but do you actually know women that look like Deku?
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I will admit, I find it really really hot when a woman cosplays a bishie. It's the only time I like 3DPD, I might be mentally broken
No. 1976951
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Male cosplays will always fit male characters better. No one sees a woman with makeup and a black wig and thinks she looks like a male anime character.
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>this entire thread
No. 1976985
>>1976975Not any of the anons you're replying too, but I refuse to consider people who just slash as fujos.
At least, they should read a couple of actual bl books, they're not long.
No. 1976989
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exactly. female cosplays of male characters (unless they're literally prepubescent boys like deku) just never look right, even when they're done very well. look at how the best female L cosplay i could find is also conveniently covering her chin area. the body is also slouched to distort narrow shoulders/wide hips
No. 1977018
>>1977011she looks great because it's a very well done cosplay, the best female L i could find because i didn't want any anons accusing me of picking a bad one for the sake of argument. it's because her body is slouched and positioned in a way to cover up her characteristics that would make her look less male, like breasts, hips, shoulders etc. and she even put her thumb over her chin. whereas the male cosplay
>>1976951 needs to hide nothing, he naturally has a huge chin, big hands etc.
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>>1977017Ugly males should die regardless, but that doesn’t mean women make convincing male cosplays. They look un-sexy because they are women. Male anime characters require cute guys to portray them and I will settle for no less.
No. 1977039
>>1977031Are you people blind?
>>1976951 and
>>1977027 are obviously male.
>>1976989Is obviously female. Seriously I don’t get how you can be this bad at distinguishing them.
No. 1977042
>>1977018Wait, it's a male? His face looked obviously female to me… Kek. I guess with faces it can be more difficult. Good for him for not being ugly.
>>1977018Nonna, i get you, but there's only so much narrow hips and wide shoulders a woman can have, you'll still be recognisable as a female. It's in your bones. And those anime men are recognisable as male to me at least? Don't they literally study anatomy to draw their anime? Being an androgynous bishounen is an anime beauty ideal, but they still look like they have a male body.
No. 1977050
>>1977044Oh, so that's a she. Kek at you
>>1977039, anon.
No. 1977051
>>1977002I don't think casually reading bl makes someone a fujo. There's a identity component to it. Imagine some random female fan who just cycles through bl, gl, whatever, like any other manga. I wouldn't call her a fujo.
Fujos are already so divided, it wouldnt make sense to include casuals just on the fact that they pick up a book. If they aren't passionate about it, I can't see them being a fujoshi.
No. 1977056
>>1977053Ayrt, sorry, wrong reply. Meant for
>>1977014.
No. 1977068
>>1977063mm maybe not L and light, but as a non fujo i do think that between adult men and women, the majority of anime boys are a
little closer to the latter.
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>>1977084This, there's a difference between anime dude and anime "draw a chick, call it a dude"
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>>1976989there are plenty of women doing convincing crossplay, its just that a majority of attractive women now would rather monetize cosplay and get praise for dressing in trendy feminine cosplays, and ftms have taken over crossplay as a whole. surely someone else must remember the era of almost every woman cosplaying jack sparrow and mogging the fuck out of johnny depp. women are better at androgyny, simple as. citing irl female androgyny being a excuse for "lesbians" to be into fapping to bl is a hilarious copefic tho
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>>1977136>>1977142You people are coping hard if you think she's convincing as a male character. You're either conflating a well-done costume with her looking like the character or you're attracted to women and mistaking that for being good cosplay. It becomes much more obvious in characters that wear less clothing that they are clearly male. No woman will ever look like a Free! boy.
No. 1977173
>>1977163>>1977166nta but so is the woman that was posted with that bad link cosplay
>>1977115 . ugly woman =/= looks like a man. her point is that a woman still looks like a woman. link is also a weird character with multiple canon looks where in some he literally looks like a 10 year old boy so it's not fair to say she makes a "convincing link" anyway. not comparable at all to L who only has one appearance
No. 1977203
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>>1977162you've reminded me of how shocked I was as a 12 year old that this cosplayer is a woman kek I can see clearly now that it's photoshoped tho
No. 1977209
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>>1977203The biggest giveaway is that she needs to wear clothes to hide her body for a character who is always shirtless, but you can tell from her hands and feminine features too. Male cosplayers photobash themselves too, but they look more distinctly male.
No. 1977224
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>>1977217no they're not, you're just a lesbian
No. 1977267
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>>1976633No actual female lesbian is pretending to enjoy yaoi to pick up chicks, that's troon/moid behavior. If lesbians want to hang out with us, that's fine by me. It's not my business to question their sexuality
or the sincerity of their BL enjoyment.
No. 1977308
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>Here are the lesbians I was telling you about. Technically they're males, but that doesn't stop me from imagining them as sapphic wlw butches having lots of lesbian sex with their female penises.
No. 1977368
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>>1977308i’m no fujo lesbian activist but pircrel totally could be
No. 1977393
>>1977379being a pedo into loli
>>1973124 also threatening fujos with rape
>>1973493 No. 1977408
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>>1977404>she's basedwhy do antifujos always stick with the weirdos? at least fujos openly hate shotafags and tifs
No. 1977450
>>1977445she's into loli, there is a reason why she's nicknamed ''yuripedo''
>>1977447she's a legit pedo schizo and you are only making excuses for her because she's a woman who's on your side.
No. 1977467
>>1977464fujochan banned shota
>>1977463no one said that KEK i literally said they are pedos too
No. 1977504
>>1977491> idc, but if you don’t call those anons pedos why call the yuri equivalents that?because the 14yo anime boys never look 14.
>>1977308 these guys look 20yo. If they look 14 then sure, but the vast majority of underage male characters look 20.
> i thought it must be a common typo here but i seemed to have argued with them a couple times now.its a common typo, specially if you are writing fast.
No. 1977807
>>1977801this is infighting: the thread. the actual arguments of both sides have been laid out several,
several times already and atp it's just agree to disagree, there is nothing more to be said. people here just want to fight eachother which is why they constantly derail into the pedo/sexuality debate.
No. 1977811
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>>1977801This thread is like eating a whole pack of bubblegum, it has been feeling like this for a while already, there's seriously nothing else to discuss considering no one is agreeing with each other at all.
No. 1977820
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fujos how do you feel about this image?
No. 1977834
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No. 1977877
>>1977421>she wasn’t threatening anyone just describing a fantasyNta but wasn't this post earlier
>>1975281 also hers? also here's another loli post that wasn't mentioned
>>1973151 she basically spent hours defending Strike Witches in the fujo cringe thread
No. 1977882
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Fujos, stop confusing things. I've never once in my life masturbated to pictures or even fics of lolis. I am not like you who unapologetically enjoy little boy rape by grown ass men or between themselves. You're actual fucking pedophiles and I really hope none of you ever breed. I'm sure those women you see in the headlines who let their scrote sodomize their little boys are pornsick faghags like you. I actually hope you all die.
Also, I'm glad to read a few posters ITT who still have the common sense to see that yaoi brainrotted fujos are not lesbians. If you're obsessed with men in any capacity you're probably not a lesbian anyway.
>>1977877Strike Witches is fun and I will not back off on this no matter how much you whine and seethe. Yes, I like animu that depict strong, cool and attractive female characters, even more when they are lesbians. Fujos LARPing as """"lesbians"""" pretend that they like yaoi only because muh malegaze (why give men so much headspace if you're gay?) but that's just simple cope, you're not attracted to females enough to not feel absolutely repulsed every time you see a female character on screen when you could be watching two boys anyway. Absolutely disgusting.
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No. 1977886
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>>1977884Convenient how you never quote the post where I say I like Itou Hachi for her onee-sans.
(ban evading retard) No. 1977889
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Antifujos make the best cows. They are so embarassing.
BTW The anime she's cocksucking has a character that's 12 years old, and you can see her underwear in almost all of the promotional images i could find. Disgusting.
No. 1977903
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>>1977898i can criticize the loli yuripedo because i am not jacking off nor defending anime/manga with little boys in them.
No. 1977909
>>1977908You can buy them second hand but they are pricey. I hope you can get them
nonny, they really nice. I am glad they made more bunny boys, but i find the Daikaichi ones really ugly.
No. 1977933
Retarded male makes a video about why women like BL, cites Galbraith (well-known lolifag apologist "scholar"), claims AO3's female userbase is decreasing (because of girls and women in the west suddenly identifying as male en-masse) and only defines "fujoshi" at minute 28 out of 34 lmfao
Thoughts on this video? Personally, aside from the obvious fact that it's a moid talking about something exclusively female as if he were an authority on it yet again, I think some of his sources suffer from the mistake of lumping all female otaku together with fujoshi. For example, this retarded idea that only fujos engage in "moe talk" when yumejoshi may have existed for about as long as fujos have. And also, of course being a male, he fails to realize early on that the main reason so many women are so obsessed with gay cartoon pairings is because we're so doompilled about depictions of females and heterosexual relationships that a lot of us cannot stand seeing anything remotely female in fiction, but still seek romantic fiction involving males since we still have a libido and most of us are attracted to males.
Unrelated to the video, I think fujos only got so big due to two main reasons after the obvious misogyny women suffer:
>it was the easiest, laziest idealized romance alternative to "boring", stereotypical heterosexual relationships where the female is passive and submissive and so on, with BL just removing the female altogether instead of trying to come up with a better depiction of heterosexual romance, plus it was edgy and unheard of back then
>since it had a huge surge in popularity, girls and women started to get into fujo shit because they wanted to belong to a female-exclusive group of otaku freaks just like them. Many of them ended up actually liking yaoi over time but others just stuck around because they didn't want to be alone as female geeks without any kind of support from a community, and would actually prefer other types of content if they knew about it
Even today there's a lot of girls, many of which are FTM sadly, who are new to fandoms, that get into yaoi because all their online friends like it. It's just something they bond over which in itself isn't bad. I think a huge part of why yaoi is so popular now is still because it provides female geeks an opportunity to belong to a huge community of other female geeks and feel less alone and less disgusted by the males that infect every other space or community, not precisely because most of those female geeks wouldn't like anything else if someone were to show it to them.
Just to be clear, I'm not really anti-fujo so much as I find it irritating that people lump us all together with fujos, and dislike the immature fujo girls that can't stand non-fujo girls enjoying male characters or romance in any way they don't like. Aside from those two things and the problems I have with the way women are depicted by some fujos with obvious issues, I think it's a very good thing that there's fiction made by and for women that goes against what society and moids want to force on us. Pissing moids off by doing to male characters what they do to female characters is always based.
No. 1977940
>>1977801>why are we even pretending that this is about yaoi and not just… erotica/porn addiction/the pornification of fandom more broadly? we could have the same arguments about fifty shades or any other popular erotica.I kind of agree with you, now that you mention it. I was thinking that the problem with the girls that identify with and romanticise the abused uke in yaoi is not the yaoi itself but the fact that we are taught from childhood to identify into that role. Because scrotes don't identify as the abused in hentai manga, they always imagine themselves in the role of the rapist. So why do young fujos often imagine themselves as the raped character? It doesn't make any sense until you realize we've just been conditioned and most of said fujo girls don't break out of their social brainwashing.
Of course the normalization of porn addiction in the entirety of society is also a huge factor these days. Because it's not just porn addiction that is being normalized but we're going back to medieval times when it was considered "normal" to think of women as nothing more than sex slaves who were always meant to be in a submissive role.
No. 1977948
>>1977946I have had characters I'm attracted too and I wished they would end up with either a canon love interests or my own self-insert, because I'm a normal person who isn't suffering from crippling porn addiction,
>>1977947have you seen how TIMs troon out due to hentai
No. 1977960
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>>1977808so true, picrel totally isn't a result of porn addiction.
No. 1977968
>>1977936Are you genuinely retarded or just pretending? I'm talking about female characters when they appear as side characters in yaoi, both original and fanfiction. Female characters are demonized a lot by some kinds of fujos for some strange reason
>inb4 she pretends this never happens or that it only used to happen in the 90s>>1977939>I think it's natural for women to like seeing two men fuck, it's really not that deep.And I think it's natural for straight women to want to fuck men, yet being a fujo is so prevalent among female otaku, whereas being a yurifag is rarer in comparison among men. You can't just pretend it's as simple as "twice the moid twice the fun".
And yes, belonging to a community is a huge factor for a lot of young fujos. In most cases there's several reasons for being a fujo not just one. Besides, not everyone has the same reasons for liking BL, which is especially obvious when you remember lesbian fujos exist.
>>1977941>most fujos prefeer to see their favourite character as the ukeDo you have actual proof of that or are you just talking about your own personal experience? There's fujo FTMs all over Twitter who self-insert as the uke. Also when I say "fujo girls" I mean those underage ones, not you specifically and I was referring to the other anon's post where she said an anti-fujo argument is that "yaoi makes girls more vulnerable to abuse" because it romanticizes power dynamics/abuse, which both she and I agree that it's not BL's fault. You're just trying to derail the argument into another infight.
No. 1977974
>>1977947There's fujos who self-insert as the uke and others who self-insert as the seme. It doesn't matter which, there's both kinds of Aidens. Aidens who imagine themselves as the seme dont realize that they can imagine themselves as a dominant woman because you can do anything in fiction. There's some sort of cognitive dissonance going on that allows them to delude themselves into thinking they're male, but it's impossible for them to imagine a situation where she's fucking her husbando as a dominant, assertive female, or where she's not sexualized but the husbando is. On the other hand, Aidens who self-insert as an uke are plenty and unless you're new here you've probably seen several examples already.
And btw I'm only talking about FTMs here, not fujos in general. I mean, there's also fujos who don't self-insert as any of the two. Being a fujo doesn't mean being a troon.
No. 1977983
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>>1977976I wasn't talking about me, i was talking about the average cosoomer of het smut like pic rel.
No. 1977984
I don't know why fujo-related discussion became so braindead and hostile when 7 years ago we could discuss these things without a single fujo cherrypicking sentences and presenting them out of context getting all defensive about basic things that are common knowledge kek
>>104235Maybe all of these retarded "fujo" replies are just samefagging by the lolifag troll above idk
>>1977981classic deflection, keep 'em coming
No. 1977988
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>>1977986Again, i wasnt talking about me. If you check the female section of dlsite its nothing but gross coomerfied women with ugly dominant moids.
No. 1977992
>>1977984>don't know why fujo-related discussion became so braindead and hostile Twitter zoomers and posters who just like to infight and find this topic prime infight material happened.
I think certain points of this thread could be interesting to seriously discuss like what counts as addiction, but no one wants to think about things in a more neutral way, just score points for a side.
No. 1978001
As someone who used to exclusively read het fiction until I became an adult, I always found the fujo claims that "there's no good female characters in het" to be retarded. Yes there is a lot of garbage (reminded of the old smutty shoujo I read as a teen where the dudes tell the heroine horrifically misogynistic shit but it's framed as romantic), but if you are smart enough you can avoid them by noticing red flags in the plot summaries and tags. I started reading BL when I ran out of popular shoujo/josei manga to read, and it's always been a mixed bag. A lot of BL had unique cute dynamics that just isn't possible without a same sex couple (like doki doki moments when platonically sharing a bed when on a school trip or something rivalry between men etc), but also a lot of them had the romanticized power dynamics you mentioned. Howeverm it felt similar to the abuse I already saw in het stuff so I didn't attribute it to being a BL problem like
>>1977968 mentioned but overall issue with media.
>>1977988That's your problem right there, going for a site that has everything from school life handholding doujinshi to extreme coomershit like fatmob rape, beastiality, anal prolapse etc. Your average shoujo/josei manga are way more normal. The short published online smutty stuff often tends to be poor logic wise (meet hot man random shit happens sex sex sex), but in the recent years I have read many with good chemistry and non-coomerish sex. Will post some recs in a few minutes in a saged post since the infighters will just accuse me of lying if I don't give examples.
No. 1978002
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>>1977997two hot moids where one is basically a woman and is subjugated to the worst forms of female exclusive misogyny.
No. 1978005
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>>1978001why would i want to downgrade from two hot moids to one single moid and some boring fmc? male characters in josei are always so fucking boring too
No. 1978009
>>1977984it's not deflection it's your nitpicking standards, alongside the sexualization topic this gets always gets always talked about when there is barely any examples that are not nitpicked.
The misogyny you speak of in characters whenever there was a rival was often treated no differently than in a shoujo manga. Yet, it's intriguing how yaoi bear the criticism yet depictions of shit het romance and women stealing men from other women it's okay.
No. 1978019
>>1977988the other anon just said she likes self-shipping. I don't think anyone on this imageboard enjoys this coomer garbage but you immediately assumed she was talking about this because… it's popular among some kinds of women? This is EXACTLY like if I called all fujos troons.
I really don't get the hatred towards women who don't like yaoi and prefer to imagine themselves fucking a hot guy. It's really not our problem if you think the only choice we have is to consume this shit, maybe you just lack an imagination.
>>1977991When I said BL provides geeky women a way to bond with each other away from all the scrotes this also is what I meant or I forgot to mention it. It's also a kind of revenge for all the shit moids do to us, which is a sentiment I agree with tbh
>>1977997>some of you are so misogynistic you are incapable of grasping the idea of women just liking yaoi because it has two hot moids instead of oneIt's not misogynistic to repeat the same reasons a ton of fujos give for liking yaoi kek
no one ITT is attacking you for finding two hot moids attractive
>It's like it can't fit through your thick skull that women can horny without self inserting.A lot of fujos self-insert despite you not doing it and we're discussing the ones that do, learn to read twitterfag
No. 1978026
>>1977991what about all of the people who start shipping m/m pairings without Japanese yaoi as an influence?
The anons saying that they just like yaoi for basic reasons are being the most honest here, I hate how women feel the need to justify and intellectualise everything we do to elevate it above the horrid reality of being something we enjoy, or worse, apparently, something we find arousing. Whether its fujos or hetfags or yurifags, its always the same shit. I can get wanting to figure out the reasoning behind more abstracted fetish stuff like omegaverse or popularity booms in more extreme depictions of bdsm shit or whatever, but two characters having more ordinary sex or just being in a relationship is neither deep nor all that interesting to try and analyse or justify.
No. 1978027
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>>1978017Not really. Some of the covers are just a picture of the man's face.
No. 1978028
>>1978019twitter zoomers just need to feel superior and have justifiable reasons for whatever they do or feel, which is stupid.
>>1978022nta but most people self-insert into any media.
No. 1978031
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>>1978027It's because they are audios, dumbass. All of the mangas have a big titty woman in the center because hetshitters like to self insert.
No. 1978032
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this thread right now
No. 1978033
>>1978026they just want to see two dicks. my point was that it's not that deep, yaoi mangaka sometimes also just want to see two dicks. yaoi being a male free zone doesn't imply it's somehow more moral or something, which some anons really seem to
need it to imply.
No. 1978045
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In comparison, smut for men has the waifu as the center. No moid self insert in sight. The only one that had a male self insert was shotashit, which i censored. And even then the shota was right behind the big titty waifu, not in the center like het female self inserts are drawn. The ''fujos are self inserting as the uke!11!!'' cope comes from hetshitters who are incapable of enjoying smut without self inserting as some big titty boss babe.
>>1978040men dont put their self inserts next to their waifus in their smut. Just because you like to self insert doesn't mean fujos do the same.
No. 1978047
>>1978001It's fine if you don't want to look at woman because you're straight, but stop with the bullshit that female character = boring. It's not our problem that your searching skills suck and you only frequent coomerpandering sites.
My actual rec list is long and I'll take that to general manga thread, but because the anons are just showing examples of coomerish het smut, I'll stick to mentioning stories with smut (can be either sex focused or plot heavy) that doesn't degrade the female character and they are either written very well or at least as well as the males.
-The lady and the beast
-At This Rate, We Can't Be Best Friends
-Shojo Kon ~Kohinata Fuufu wa Shite Mitai~
-Gohokoku Ijiwaru Tenshi NI Dakaremasu
-Please kill my husband
-Going To Bed With My Hater (the art is slightly more coomerish than others but I support the equal sexualization of the dude and the woman, cheesy plot but good chemistry)
-The Blood Of Madam Giselle (10/10 art, the ending is horrible but not because of the romance)
Anyway not trying to derail the topic,it's not a rec thread after all. Just showing that "all het smut is coomerish" is bullshit, they just don't want to search. Yaoi isn't all that different either, similar to het it's always a mix of good stuff, meh and coomer garbage.
No. 1978048
>>1978001Nice post nonna, too bad it's going to fall on deaf ears as the person you replied to is not interested in honest discussion.
>or something rivalry between menI would actually like this dynamic to be explored more in anime but with het pairings. Why do you think it's impossible unless it's same-sex? It think it is possible with the right setting.
>That's your problem right there, going for a site that has everything from school life handholding doujinshi to extreme coomershit like fatmob rape, beastiality, anal prolapse etc.I've tried to buy from DLsite because I wanted to support all the artists and creators on there that produce good female seme stuff. I found a manga series that seemed right up my alley at first because the guy was so cute and blushed a lot and there were a lot of good panels of him in the sample. But the female protagonist, who is usually the aggressive and leading partner, is described as a "loli" despite being supposedly an adult and in one of the manga parts there's a ton of focus on her instead of the hot guy (basically it was drawn more with a hentai manga perspective than the previous parts, the male's face wasn't as visible, gross male-gazey angles, etc) and to top it all off it's pregnancy fetish bullshit, I got nauseous when I saw it. That mangaka is seriously fucked up and I see her as a fucking traitor for trying to pander to both women and scrotes and forcing her moid-tier fetishes on the female audience by putting it in the otome section. Fuck her and fuck all the other authors who put their "unisex pandering" trash under the otome category. I seriously think if there are any actual women who buy that content, they must be really desperate and think they have to settle for bottom of the barrel shit, just like there are so many women in real life who think they have to settle for ugly and disgusting moids who are emotionally broken because there's nothing better out there.
That's why I just avoid the most popular smut and go looking straight for content that matches my exact preferences, and if there's nothing new I just try to create some myself. It does help knowing I'm not alone and there's other women out there who share my frustrations over the lack of female seme content.
>Will post some recs in a few minutes in a saged post since the infighters will just accuse me of lying if I don't give examples.Could you please repost your recs in an appropriate /m/ or /g/ thread? Just so it doesn't get lost in the sea of shitposts
No. 1978055
>>1978009>The misogyny you speak of in characters whenever there was a rival was often treated no differently than in a shoujo manga.There's a lot of misogyny in certain sectors of fujo fandom regarding female characters in non-yaoi media, though. There's a tendency there to forgive everything terrible that the men do and harshly judge everything the women do even if they don't do anything wrong in canon.
>Yet, it's intriguing how yaoi bear the criticism yet depictions of shit het romance and women stealing men from other women it's okay.I hate it when this happens in het media for women too, but at least in those the protagonist is female and there are often other female characters that aren't portrayed in that way. In fact, a lot of shoujo manga has themes of female friendship. But yes, it is a problem that's present in both genres. Only it's more noticeable in yaoi because the main couple is two males and as you said yourself, female characters are not the focus, so when they are present there's a bigger impact if they're protrayed as villains.
No. 1978056
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>>1978047hetshitter be like ''noooo dont say het is all self inserting garbage for betas, here i recommend you self inserting garbage for betas! what? you dont like the mc character having boobs as big as her head? that must mean you are a misogynist!!!''
seriously? could you only come up with 3 examples that dont fmc with gigantic breasts that are the main focus? they are ugly manwha shit at that too
>>1978049dlsite has a ''for women'' page, unlike e-hentai.
No. 1978062
>>1978017Unfortunately, that is true for 99% of the manga in that tag. Sometimes there's a manga where the artist gets it right and uses her common sense to draw the female protagonist in a normal way and focus all the attention on the guy, but it's very rare that this happens.
The rest of the mangaka aren't like us so they don't realize what they're doing is retarded and wrong, and also they have no idea how to draw a female gaze manga without making it look like a hentai manga, probably because they have consumed too much moid pronography.
On the other hand, most of the voice works under "submissive man" have really nice cover pictures, those are the ones I focus on, both because of the pictures and because there are only male voices.
No. 1978063
I just want to know what on earth yumes did to catch all this shit. Compared to fujos there aren't nearly as many of us within fandoms.
>>1978060I'm confused. What are you expecting? Ugly fat shortstacks to be the MC?
No. 1978065
>>1978061because i am tired of hetshitters projecting and getting angry at women do not desire to self insert into big titty instathot models.
>>1978063normal women.
No. 1978068
>>1978062some women
do enjoy that kind of thing, but it's mainly done to be a catchall to bait males.
No. 1978074
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>>1978056Oh yes, let's make snap judgements based on only the covers and the fact that mcs have breasts (and 3/4 of the men are flashing their titties too). Just say you hate anything with women and move on.
(picrel from -Shojo Kon ~Kohinata Fuufu wa Shite Mitai~, the first manga out of the 4 anon is shitting on)
No. 1978076
>>1978070because its the same thing every time. They come here shilling their het garbage then get angry that women who arent into that call them out on it. Why would a fujo want to downgrade from two hot moids to…big titty woman who takes half the space in the cover and generic guy. They don't understand that fujos, unlike them, don't like self inserting.
>>1978071are you the anon that recommended
>>1978047 if so then i dont think our tastes align. I am not into crappy isekai manwha and i am not interested on self inserting as some boring fmc.
No. 1978079
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>>1978065Problem is that fujos itt are angry even about covers like this. I can only conclude they think women who want to see straight content should read nothing.
No. 1978080
>>1978074It's a really cute manga imo, I would personally recommend it. ML is a giant nerd who only loves his wife and they both explore sex together in a loving way.
>>1978076I'm not that anon and I don't want you to read het if you don't want to. But if you do, what DO you want to read? I'm genuinely confused.
No. 1978086
>>1978074I like self inserting too but I self insert into female characters that are atypical, in personality at least, which is suffering cause they always get sidelined.
Anyhow don't blame women if they don't want to read shit that portrays their own body in it, it's their prerogative not yours to judge them.
No. 1978096
>>1978076I know it's a foreign concept to you, but the rest of us are capable of reading stories about a female character without self inserting. I just want to read a cute romance as an outside reader.
>>1978079Exactly. This is just tumblr "ewww het" repackaged. She keeps sperging about any panel with the female being touched because she's only reading to coom herself, cannot understand that other people can read sex scenes hoping to see physical affection between 2 characters without hands in our underwear. It's one thing if it was like the scrote targeted manga where the dude is never shown, but most of the good het smut aren't like that (again, if you click something like "girl cums a 100 times at the hands of her sadistic boyfriend!!!" you're just an idiot that can't curate)
No. 1978102
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>>1978036>the only ones that have no women at all are the audios. The rest all have sexualized women in them.NTA but that's not true. Even I can see that there's a couple of manga on there where only the man is sexualized. And those are just the ones on the first page sorted by popularity, so we don't know how many more good ones there are buried under all the shit.
>just because they like to self insert as big titty anime girls being fondled by a dominant apeWhere's your source that says all women who self-insert like to see themselves sexualized or that any of us here on lolcow like this shit? Any evidence that all self-shippers who like submissive men are happy with the state of that tag? Pic related, it's one of the based ones who gets it and is also sick of all the big titty "femdom" trash
https://www.dlsite.com/girls-pro/work/=/product_id/BJ01284379.html>i am tired of hetshitters thinking that all women are like them and also have to self insert to get off.Where did this happen? I even said there are fujos who self-insert and fujos who don't do it kek
fucking twitterfags with no reading comprehension I swear to god
No. 1978104
>>1978098Are you really going to take moid standards as the base? Really? On LC?
>>1978099Most popular otomege's still very much have an MC. The POV ones are usually for mobages in my experience.
No. 1978116
>>1978094nta but there are pov otome games that are very popular in Japan, i recently saw this title ad love and deep space which was all pov.
You get to make your own character but the rest is pov.
No. 1978122
>>1978115Not reading het stuff is a personal choice and perfectly fine, insulting the tastes of everyone who reads them and calling anything with a female mc boring is a whole different thing. It's pathetic how many come to shit on other women's tastes and cry
victim when called out
No. 1978123
>>1978116But in that case you aren't faceless. You're literally your own created self-insert. In Deepspace's case it's because they want you to feel like it's your real BF talking to you.
>>1978115Because you're being really weird about it.
>>1978119I wonder if that anon has ever seen the average male hentai catalog. I've never seen boobs big enough in female focused het to even flag as 'medium' compared to those.
No. 1978129
>>1978122So, i cant shit on obviously unrealistic coomer female characters because its meant to be for women? if it was drawn by a man all of you would be crying over how misogynistic it is.
>>1978123>Because you're being really weird about it.for pointing out the obvious?
No. 1978130
>>1978074Oh shit I remember this one now kek
I also remember the one about the painter guy that asks the protagonist to be his model, but when I read it only like 2 chapters had been translated. The guy was so fucking adorable
No. 1978136
>>1978126You're right nonna, I feel bad for replying to their aiden-adjacent bait shit, I promise to do better kek.
>>1978130Do we have any threads on lolcow for posting about regular smut manga (and not get banned for nsfw)? Maybe we can move there to discuss this in peace while trolls shit up this thread
No. 1978142
>>1978087If you admit you want to see this why are you shitting on ALL women that like to self-insert??? You're literally one of us I don't get why you're so fucking aggressive towards all other self-inserters.
Some of the people you're arguing with actually want the same thing you want (me). Fucking retard
No. 1978144
>>1978132some people are just insecure and blame it on their being straight. the female character designs might not be my cup of tea either, but it's not because of their tits or my own straightness, and my own personal retardation keeps me from being able to self-insert at all, so that's not the hurdle either.
anon needs to chill, it's not like all the women in these mangas have gigantic cow tits with inflamed nips or something kek
No. 1978145
>>1978142I hate the anons that join into discussions half-way through and dont bother to read shit.
The hetshitter was claiming that fujos are misogynistic for not liking the ugly coomshit she recommended. It's why they always do, which is why i dislike them. I already knew she was going to recommend disgusting coomershit that have fmc that have balloon tits and get angry when i told her i dont want to self insert as a porn actress. The moids are so fucking ugly too.
No. 1978149
>>1978098>het shippers not being able to understand fujos.I like neither yaoi nor het shipping whith equal focus on both parties. I'm a yumejo. Do people like me just not exist then?
Also there's no need to get so fucking mad at the existence of women who like het couples without self-inserting. Did you know? It's normal that physical contact happens between two people who are having sex. It's fine if you don't like to see that but no one here was forcing you, you're the one who started to accuse others of liking big boob shit just because they said they like self-shipping like wtf
>>1978115You've been making almost exactly the same post for months, go take your autism pills
No. 1978156
>>1978145I've been a part of this discussion since the beginning.
>The hetshitter was claiming that fujos are misogynistic for not liking the ugly coomshit she recommendedQuote the exact point at which she said this and I'll believe your delusions.
No. 1978157
>>1978149I said a million times idc if you want to self insert
>>1978036 just dont get angry when other women dont
>>1978151why would i be drawn to ''het smut'' where the focus is the woman's tits? like genuinely none of the moid are the focus and they are UGLY at that too
No. 1978160
>>1978156here
>>1978074>Just say you hate anything with women and move on.not liking fmc with coomer proportions = hating women apparently
No. 1978162
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>>1977511I got posted just for saying that people don't troon out solely due to teh yaois or to live out yaoi fantasies.
The yaoi crap is all in the surface but if you dare suggest that the deeper issues of fujo tifs are tied to something else (like misogyny, shitty parents, etc) then anti fujos think that your post is le ebic funny copium.
Blaming it on media instead of asking yourself why your children are attracted to certain media is peak boomer deflection and these nonas aren't even boomers.
No. 1978165
>>1978160Women having breasts isn't "coomer proportions", and compared to this shit
>>1977983 it's pretty mild. That's why you got called misogynistic, because you cannot stand even the tiniest amount of boob in a straight smut manga, not because you don't like coomer shit. But to you, everything that shows a woman's breasts
is coomer shit, which is where the problem lies. You cannot see a drawing of the female body without finding it absolutely revolting.
No. 1978166
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>>1978161i refuse to believe they are conventionally attractive. You have to be a huge nerd to like this cringe shit kek. It looks like literally any hentai manga for men i dont understand what makes it josei. I dont understand why they are angry women arent interested in looking good for men. I want men to look sexy for my pleasure, thats why i read yaoi in the first place.
No. 1978179
>>1978175>when you tell them you arent interested in manga where the focus is the fmc breasts.Yeah
nonny… that's not really how you put it
No. 1978181
>>1978165Can you stop pointing the finger at her? Boobs regardless of size, are always sexualized, intentionally or not.
That is why men love looking at women breastfeeding or going to some beaches in europe where women are topless..
I like self insert but again I see her point, jeez
No. 1978196
>>1978181We all know that and I also see her point, but she's been shitting on others without even knowing what each of us like (I don't like those manga either but I'm not a sperg about it) ever since this
>>1977951 post
So sick of this sperg
No. 1978199
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>she buys lingerie for him
nah you have to be fucking kidding me, this is hentai for moids. Why were you angry at fujos for pointing out that female characters in het are shit then shamelessly recommend this crap? again, good for you if you like it. But you have to be self aware that not all women want to self insert as a desireable submissive uggu blushy anime waifu, right?
No. 1978203
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>>1978200nah the guy from the hetshit manga is a literal footfag with an extremely boring generic design
No. 1978213
>>1978197The problem is that you seem to think any and all depictions of your body are hypersexualized.
No doubt the female bodies in those TL manga are sexualized to some degree, but it's nowhere near the level of moid coomershit. And yeah, I get it, I don't want to see it either, but I'm not going to sperg out at other women who didn't do anything wrong (they weren't the ones who started throwing insults for no reason so don't pretend it's their fault)
No. 1978225
>>1978223based fellow fit
nonny. They will never understand wanting to look good for yourself instead of for male approval.
No. 1978233
>>1978204Yeah that's alright anon
I would also like it if the women in manga for women had more average breasts that look like mine
Not that women with big breasts don't exist, but they're definitely overrepresented in TL manga and it's obviously out of a desire (by the mangaka? her audience?) to appear more sexually attractive, which in itself may be tied to the theory that women are taught to derive pleasure from their own appearance (internalized male gaze) and from being considered attractive by men, instead of getting pleasure from seeing attractive men or physical pleasure received from others.
This also goes for things like
>>1978207 It's unfair that women are expected to wear lingerie instead of men, women are expected to look sexy, women are expected to show their body in public, etc. And I think it's pretty fucked up that wearing lingerie is a "normal" way for women to feel "sexy" and desired and that this is what makes women "feel good". It's just social conditioning into having pornbrain and associating a woman (themselves) acting as a sexual object with sexual pleasure. Why should women get off to being a sex object and not men? Why do men get off to women being a sex object and not themselves? Fuck that
No. 1978235
>>1978210I dislike the fact that smut manga that is supposedly for women focuses a lot on the female body and blushing female faces like in
>>1978199But most of the time I'm able to ignore it if it's not too blatant, and especially if the man is drawn in a lewder way
No. 1978241
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>reee its not sexualized you just hate your own body
>meanwhile the manga makes sure to have an entire chapter of another woman being jealous of the fmc big breasts
No. 1978243
>>1978218Why is it gross when he wears it and not when you wear it? Serious question
>>1978230Your average harem anime has bigger boobs and more babyish faces, plus they're not supposed to be girls, they're supposed to be grown women. But yes, they do tend to have big breasts
No. 1978250
>>1978241I don't hate the way the other woman's body is drawn here tbf
>>1978240I hate this because like the other anon was saying, why do men get to fantasize about their perfect pornstar body waifus being into them, but not us? I don't want an ugly-bastard-tier depiction of the female protagonist, but something more plain and a bit "unflattering" would be nice. It's fiction, we don't need to worry about whether the hot husbando would let himself be fucked by us
No. 1978253
>>1978235I think some of that is from trying to convey the MC's emotions/reactions/pleasure, as well as her partner's attraction to her, but it fumbles because it's using visual language derived from moid hentai.
>>1978243imo men only ever look 'good' in a form of lingerie in art, but in real life it's either obvious that it's something originally designed for a woman, or appeals to gay men and their fetishes. It's one of those 'hot in theory, goofy af in practice' things imo kek
No. 1978256
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“I don’t understand, why wouldn’t a straight woman want to see a heckin’ pair of milkers? Are you jealous or what?”
No. 1978258
>>1978116>>1978123I made my character resemble me as much as possible and I think I succeeded lmao
I just wanted to test the character creator to see if it could allow you to create something more realistic or just generic pretty faces, and it was so fun
The only problem now is that I don't like any of the clothing options, they're too feminine for me No. 1978263
>>1978254yeah, wow i wonder why women would criticize a manga that bullies them for not having big boobs
>>1978241 and looks like moid hentai. Must be misogyny.
No. 1978265
>>1978252kek yeah
>>1978253>but it fumbles because it's using visual language derived from moid hentai.Yeah that's the thing with a lot of these mangaka. They take too much reference from moid hentai, or maybe even yaoi manga. It just doesn't translate well.
No. 1978276
>>1978268kek I knew that page had been taken out of context on purpose.
>>1978270In yaoi, a lot of focus in on the uke. It makes sense that if a dumbass artist who has no idea what they're doing tries to make "yaoi but they're a man and a woman", and the woman (obviously) gets put in the same place as the uke, she'd be the main focus instead of the dominant man. This is what I meant.
No. 1978279
>>1978271It's been like that for a while now. Every single time a character gets posted at least a few anons will say it's a psyop to get women to accept ugly men somehow.
>>1978265Or, hear me out here, a lot of women actually do find it hot.
>>1978273What? Learning to love yourself is bad now?
No. 1978286
>>1978279>Or, hear me out here, a lot of women actually do find it hot.I'm not the self-hating sperg but even I find you pathetic. Sorry for saying it but unless you're actually bisexual, you just have pornbrain if you like that shit.
>>1978281"Not liking" that garbage and being a sperg even when no one was talking about those manga are not the same. I don't like it either but you lashed out at me for saying basic shit about fujos that wasn't even insulting or generalizing.
No. 1978293
>>1978285this
none of those so-called "instathots" or whatever are shitting on other women for their appearance. The only one doing that is the one sperg.
No. 1978294
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>>1978290Anons can’t comprehend straight women are disgusted by tits, especially big ones that are in your face. Don’t make me tap the sign again
No. 1978307
>>1978299Who said it has to be
>manga where the focus is on the fmc body and the fmc looking good for a man?
It could be manga where the man is the focus and has to look good the female protagonist.
No. 1978313
>>1978311You probably ignored it at first because you couldn't find anything to nitpick about it but here you go
>>1978102Shinogi Shiohara is one of the best 女攻め artists currently, check out her Pixiv if you haven't seen it yet, there's a lot of stuff in there
No. 1978319
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>>1978315ok then I'll link you her Pixiv
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/13950255To see the porn just log in or make an account, there's good stuff that you're missing out on
No. 1978320
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>>1978317i am not moving the goalpost, what the fuck am i going to do if i cant read it?. plus her other manga doesn't inspire hope, it has both boobs and ass as the main focus. Just why.
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>>1978315>>1978319Also she made this indie otome game where you can romance submissive boys, the best part is that it has been localized
https://moonchimel.itch.io/i-love-youReally this game has been talked about in the otome and yumejo threads on /m/ already, and her female seme art has been posted several times on /m/ and /g/, so I'm kinda surprised you don't know about her.
>>1978320You fucking dumbass. That's not her other manga. That's the anthology magazine where the manga she made (the one I already posted) was published. There are reviews of it somewhere and they basically say it's a mixed bag, with Shinogi's manga being one of if not the best in terms of female gaze content.
No. 1978328
>>1978321is it even translated? would be cool if so, looks nice
>>1978323>(and love how you try your best to avoid mentioning how much he respects her during and out of sexkek is this supposed to be a selling point? that should be the default in all hetshit. God the standars are low.
No. 1978332
>>1978325yeah i played that otome before i remember when it was recommended. It's a shame it's pretty much the only one, i crave more.
>>1978325>You fucking dumbass. That's not her other manga. That's the anthology magazine where the manga she madeit was under author idk.
>>1978329i did though
>>1978056 I said that first manga was one of the few that didnt have sexualized fmc
No. 1978335
>>1978325I love that game so much, the glasses boy who does calligraphy is best boy.
>>1978328I swear I've seen your retarded spergouts before because you always spell it as "standars"
No. 1978339
>>1978328>is it even translated?NTA, I haven't bothered to check exHentai or any other place to see if someone's working on it. I wanted to buy it to at least read it with my basic Japanese and Google Translate, but I had issues with DLsite's payment methods so it was impossible. Unfortunately, I very much doubt anyone in the western sphere that does scanlations even knows about this manga. If it got popular on DLsite it could get an official English translation.
So the only way to see it for yourself is to buy it.
Her Pixiv, although in Japanese, has a lot of good stuff, though.
>is this supposed to be a selling point? that should be the default in all hetshit. God the standars are low.She mentioned that because you said the moid was "mediocre". She was just correcting you.
>>1978335>the glasses boy who does calligraphy is best boyYES! It's so cute when he cries
No. 1978350
>>1978342>>the entire thread is yumejos trying to blame fujos and imposing their point of views on themMany fujos have different reasons to be into yaoi and they have repeatedly said so in many fandom polls and surveys, and even on this site, so you don't speak for all of them. And also I know because I was also a fujo for many years when I was younger so I knew a lot of them. My stating the facts neutrally isn't me "imposing my viewpoints on fujos".
If you're talking about the anons who posted the TL manga you didn't like, those aren't even yumes, they even admitted to seeing the couples in those manga from a third person perspective. You're on several levels of delusion
No. 1978353
>>1978346>>1978348Yet somehow not a single one of the recommendations given are acceptable and a female lead having regular breasts means it's bad. Or "but I don't read moonrunes" which just kek.
>>1978350I am a yume actually, but that doesn't mean that I only read things I can self-insert into. That'd be a boring existence.
No. 1978354
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So, you wanna tell me that someone cherrypicked ONE smut josei manga and every schizo on the site has been having a meltdown over it for 100+ posts? You can't make this shit up, this is so retarded, and I'm about both sides btw
No. 1978361
>>1978353>"but I don't read moonrunes" which just kek. KEK
>>1978354This thread is so derailed kek
No. 1978368
>>1978364you still claiming the fmc ahs normal breasts when there is a chapter where the other girl feels jealous of the mc breasts size? kek
>She's the one that started shaming others because of her puritan take on what is acceptable level of sexiness in a smut mangathat was never my point. My point is that i am straight. I want it to be focused on the moid's body, not the woman's. 90% of the manga is tits, ass and pussy i genuinely cant understand how a straight woman can be into that.
No. 1978373
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I dont understand why you people are trying ao hard to force fujos to read straight porn, some of you are coming off as so creepy and forceful.
Im a consumer of all genres and i have over 1k josei smuts in my library currently yet i would never force a fujo to read that because i know how bad those stories can get as someone who reads them. While not all josei stories sexualize the female or are rapey. The majority of them are and if you disagree with me on that then you are either LYING through your ass or you don't mind the sexualization of women.
The horrendous sexualization of women in so called "femgaze" smut is a huge problem and even though those stories are supposed to be for women…they still end up trying to cater to men and to appeal to them.
As someone who reads josei smut here are alot of problems that comes with this type of genre:
>during sex scenes or sexual encounters i have noticed that the main focus is the female leads boobs or ass, also the female leads in almost all of these stories have some of the largest boobds i have ever seen like their boobs are bigger than their heads, i don't understand why they all have weird boobs that resemble implants. There is also too much fanservice done by the woman in these stories sometimes…like this is supossed to be femgaze.
>Many times the male lead is drawn worse than the fenale lead such as him having ugly anatomy, a plain face and having no nipples (this is a huge problem in josei smut that they draw the male lead to have no nipples) either they do this because they have less experience drawing men or they don't want to put in the effort to make the male lead look as good as the female lead.
>Rape. It is a huge problem and especially in japanese works, it is very hard for me to find josei hentai manga that doesnt have some form of rape or dubious con.
>The appearance was already mentioned but it really does feel like these artists think only two types of women exist (women who look like bbl porno milfs) or (pedo-bait belle delphine looking girls) they dont know how to draw a semi-normal human female body that doesn't look like a male-fantasy caricature.
>horrible plot, maybe i just have bad luck when it comes to finding good mangas but a majority of josei smuts have had very mediocre plot. There are some good gems and plots but they're not common.
>Weird sexism. This is mostly in japanese works but i have noticed some little droplets of sexism in alot of these stories such as FL over 25 talking about how old they are and needing to get married ao they don't end up alone as leftovers…..that was very weird. The male leads also treating the female lead differently depending on if she is a pure virgin or if she is a wicked slut, or the male leads force ejaculating inside the female lead to get her pregnant.
There are big issues when it comes to straight content and even the one made for women such as femgaze or josei has ALOT of problems so to recommend that for fujos to read instead of yaoi is so fucking idiotic. You anti-fujos are so idiots, just because yiu are okay with objecitifying hetero media or watching yuri pedo-bait shows doeant mean that others will like that nasty crap too.
I still read josei smut but im not going to sit here and cast the stone of judgement on fujos because people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
No. 1978375
>>1978368How does that somehow mean the FMC doesn't have normal breasts? It's that the other character has very small ones.
>>1978372>>1978373That anon asked for examples though? Nobody in this thread is forcing fujos to read het smut they don't want to read.
No. 1978378
>>1978369I didn't even try to argue, but it's just impossible nowadays having an in-depth discussion about fujoism without this specific autist going "BOOOO HOOOOO BUT WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE"
he claims to be "omnivore" meaning technically she relates to both yumes and fujos but seems clearly biased in favour of fujos, because she thinks all fujos are like her and everyone who's not a fujo must be talking about her as well. Weird
No. 1978384
>>1978373Yeah anon if you'd actually read the thread, the topic of TL manga was brought up because two spergs were fighting, then sperg A said "I don't like yaoi because I'm not a porn addict, I prefer to self-insert"
>>1977948 then sperg B accused her of being a cuck that enjoys the kind of manga you posted
>>1977951No one is actually forcing anyone to read that shit
No. 1978385
>>1978317There has been nothing but goalpost moving itt.
>all het stuff for women on this coomer site is about moids dominating big titty girls!>gets informed that the site has femdom and vanilla as well>It still focuses on their tits!!>Examples of things that doesn't do that>There is still visible women!! EwwSeriously it's like watching a giant toddler having meltdown. If you just want to scream about how you can't handle seeing straight couples, fine, do it in your journal. But if you post on a board others will engage and challenge you.
No. 1978392
>>1978373>josei hentai mangaNot a thing
It's called Teens Love
Hentai is a genre for men
Holy shit people, just learn the correct terms
>You anti-fujos are so idiots, just because yiu are okay with objecitifying hetero media or watching yuri pedo-bait shows doeant mean that others will like that nasty crap too. Again, read the fucking thread