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This thread is dedicated to all and any fandom discourse. Global rules apply: don't infight, report and ignore bait, etc.
Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping> Ao3 Censorship and TOS> Slapfights between slash, femslash, and het shippers> Carrds, DNIs and Call-out Threads> Whitewashed/blackwashed/colorist fanart drama> ‘[Insert Sexuality/Gender]-Coded’ Characters> Debates over death of the author> Stalking/harassment experienced by actors/creatorsRelated threads:
Fujo vs. anti-fujo discourse:
>>1978406Fujocoomer cringe:
>>1959358 Previous:
>>2070160 No. 2124209
>>2124193Which is a shame because I would love to consume more f/f, but I don't want to come off as a homophobe for only liking f/f when it's grounded and realistic. I just like compelling pairings, and a good 75% of ships are literal garbage. The recent surge of shippers is more concerned with sending a message than shipping for fun.
Who in the fuck cares if most like slash and het over femslash? Quality far surpasses quantity since stories are easier to stew in their juices more while having a lasting legacy. There's so much het and m/m ships to last five lifetimes. Why do wannabe fandom activist complain about it? To appease the troons?
No. 2124300
>>2124288idc about bad x good bc bad x bad is infinitely better
>>2124158the person in hr OP pic isnt a yume shes one of these megawoke hetshippers who like to pretend their het ships are kweer. these usually look like walking tumblr caricatures
No. 2124439
>>2124158Yeah, but it doesn't look like it targets yumes. I've seen gendie fujos mention girldick and bisexual himejos talking about bihets. Works for all
disney adults fandom wars regulars
>>2124193Same, it's a shame that it's much more sensitive. I wonder if troonslop '
toxic dog girl futa yuri cannibalism' would be less of a thing if women into fucked up ships felt more comfortable writing F/F. I read in a mangaka interview that female readers have higher standards and are harder to pinpoint in regards to taste (good). I think this tendency is even more pronounced when it comes to F/F because it feels more 'real' than some silly escapist M/M crackfic (all due respect to those kek). I like both grounded and un-grounded F/F but quality surpasses quantity like
>>2124209 said
>>2124209>Why do wannabe fandom activist complain about it? To appease the troons? Yes and i find that a lot of the time it's part of their anti retardation, there's almost always a point about depicting the hetshipper/fujo as some evil incest fetishizer and male yurifags as the more wholesome kind of fan
No. 2124766
>>2124439Women average on the picky side. Could be because of a byproduct of having to select mates and being pregnant for 9 months–one of the most taxing times for a women. One couldn't risk settling for less for doing puts the baby's future in jeopardy. It's why hypergamy exist. Only 1% to 10% of men are worthy to mate while outside of that percentage they don't even get the chance to breed if at all. The theory extends to content too as women are more particular with what they like compared to men. Give him a action movie with boobs and explosions and he's sold. However, you're female friend may have a smaller range of movies she likes (like, only enjoying art house films with one specific trope or an actor she's fixated on). Shit example, but I've knew plenty of women who's media consumption is a bit smaller than guys since they either go with the herd or like for something to check off their list while men are more forgiving since how they select mates is completely different to how women might pick theirs.
I'm again speaking out of ass but it seems sound.
No. 2126233
>>2126224Iirc it was funnier than that. It was one of their Kickstarter goals, that if they got enough money they would
begrudgingly add a white guy, only for that white guy to become their most popular out of the bunch.
No. 2126729
>>2126196Use to frequent 4chan's /co/ broad and they often had background waifu threads made by obsessive autist who see one mediocre side character as jerk off material. They didn't need an outstanding design, just being female was more than enough. Moids in general have simple requirements for a fuckable bangmaid. Additional needs were semantics to make them feel more sophisticated. Can't say boobs and vag get the chode hard, she has to be pure wife material despite her screentime being like 5 mins max then the audience never sees them again.
Back then, MLP was the the go to basic bg waifu bait thread before they got sanctioned off to their own containment board.
>>2126251Him and Keaton are two of the best characters in that game and a part of me wished they were saved from that burning heap of a scam.
No. 2126751
>>2124178Would yumejo still be appropriate for a hetshipper using a canon character as a self insert? Sometimes it's really obvious that this is what they are doing.
>>2126729it almost seems like they are doing it as a challenge. Are they authentically attracted to these designs or are they pavloving themselves?
No. 2126793
>ChiLumi and Gojo in the OP image KEK way too accurate, the anon who made this is the realest nonita around
>>2124382I am telling you right now, these people exist in hordes.
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>>2124193>>2124439In my opinion the biggest problem is the lack of interesting female characters who allow the same kind of controversial dynamics in anime and manga specifically, and I honestly also believe people greatly overestimate the "toxicity" and "fucked up"-ness of popular M/M ships. They're just not unrealistically fluffy, like Deku and Bakugo are considered a "
toxic ship" simply because they have a one-sided rivalry dynamic despite Bakugo's "toxicity" equating to a cartoon bully and a tsundere. Female characters aren't really allowed to have flaws that would give them a stimulating edge and series with an all-female cast is usually just Cute Girls Doing Cute/Sexy Things performing for the moid audience. No woman regardless of sexuality really finds coomery moidgaze yuribait interesting enough to write an actual fanfic about, the most they do is draw porn to attract gooners with deep pockets.
It's actually interesting reading the list of the most popular F/F ships on AoE (which is usually the most accurate measuring stick for the current fandom zeitgeist) and note that almost all ships are from western TV shows and books while the adjacent M/M list has a much more balanced source pool from movies to manga to anime to video games in addition to said TV shows and books.
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>>2126815lib-progressive types conflate darker skin as "ugly" therefore making all the dark-skin characters ugly is a massive take-that to beauty standards. I wish I was making this up until I watched one vid about it and it confirmed why so many desexualized redesigns make their characters fat, black, and with vitiligo. Dark skin contains the capacity for beauty but people don't know that because tumblr has marred any attempts at dissociating it from woke progressive shlock. If they really care to subvert colorism norms, why not draw more attractive brown and black people? There's nothing wrong with beautiful, straight, and abled bodied characters. Wished some knew about it.
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>>2127073Honestly, liking something in fiction doesn't always equal liking it in real life. For example, I doubt most fujoshi are obsessed with real life gay men, and there are hetero women who love yuri but wouldn't touch a woman sexually in their whole life.
Idk, I know that the internet and its deranged individuals are a prime example of liking bad shit = condoning it in real life, but I doubt it's normal or even the standard.
That said if you are worried over being too obsessed with MMF fanfiction, the first thing I'd do is try to think about it rationally and why you are attracted to it, then idk, try to detox from it. Not interacting with a fetish is a good way to slowly stop liking it as far as I know.
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I don't hate omegaverse as much as some anons do on here but do these retards really think doing stuff like this is feminist? It's still portraying the person who's getting impregnated as the subservient one. Why can't people just say they enjoy it because it's their fetish instead of turning it into a progressive thing
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>>2128901>futaStopped reading there
No. 2130518
>>2128584Literally impossible for people in fandom and gendies. They cannot comprehend reading a story that's not about them or about a character who resembles them to a capacity. Reminds me how one moid was screeching about Goro Akechi and finished his retarded whining with "HE SHOT ME!"
You're not Joker. You don't look like Joker. You will never be Joker or have his life. Goro shot Joker, not you. Go outside and exercise, swine.
No. 2130847
>>2130612Most male characters that refuse to have sex/don't want sex.
Also characters that cry and have moments of weakness.
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I know Oda confirmed Usopp would be African irl, and the live action casted a black guy as Usopp, and that’s why a lot of fans want anime Usopp to have darker skin, and also why they’re so upset about remake Usopp looking pale.
But TBH I wish he would stay pale and ambiguous, I kind of hate that the fandom accepted him as the black character. His design is so goofy and caricaturistic while the other og straw hats have normal anime faces, I would find it even more insulting if he was the one member with black/brown skin while looking like that. Like, the bottom right edit reminds me of racist cartoons lol
No. 2134562
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Anyone else notice that furries for some reason get special treatment from fandoms for some reason? Like they're for some reason accepted by fandomtards while everyone else gets shat on
Like literally today I got screeched at on a discord server (on it for a cow but that's OT) for sending the link to buy a doujin because I mentioned wanting to buy it and someone asked me to post the link (doujin in question is SFW) and then they're like 'SUGGESTIVE STUFF CAME UP WHEN I GOOGLED IT' keep in mind I didn't even post the doujin itself, I just posted a link to buy it because I myself wanted to. Then literally right after they finish tisming out at me one of the mods is like 'WARRIOR CATS MADE ME A FURRY' as if wanting to fuck animals is somehow fine.
Literally the cover of the doujin in question, it's just so mind boggling that furries for some reason get a free pass in modern fandom despite being full of freaks into fucking dogs you'd think that pearl clutchers would hate them most of all but for some reason they get a free pass, is it because a lot of trannies are furries or something?
No. 2134625
>>2134562I've also noticed that nona, and unfortunately I also don't know the reason why but I suspect that
>is it because a lot of trannies are furries or somethingis the reason. Everything, no matter how gross and nasty, that makes girldick hard is sacred in fandom spaces
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For nonas unaware, the creator of Dungeon Meshi recently had an interview where the interviewer asked her a plethora of retarded questions related to the popular headcanons conjured by its gendie fandom. Needless to say, this is a beautiful read. I had personally been avoiding the manga slash anime like the plague due to its magnetism towards TIFs and TIMs alike (a double tr-whammy), but this has convinced me to pick it up again purely out of respect for the author. Read for yourself, but tl;dr: no lesbian Marcille x Fallin, no handsome Senshi psyop, not even Autistic Laois. A beautiful clapback. Her manner was polite, but you can tell she’s weary of their crap.
Picrel: Autistic Laois.
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>>2135038Picrel: Marcille x Fallin.
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>>2135039Picrel: ‘Handsome’ Senshi (this one nearly made me punch the air. Fuck your fat, old bastard psyop!)
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>>2135040Picrel: A final note on Senshi. What a perfect example of question-dodging, kek. I just know she was weirded the hell out!
As a final note, I’d like nonas to know that I don’t mind yuri shipping or even neurodivergent headcanons. What I hate is the fact that the fandom had been bashing bricks over the head of anyone who disagrees with their made-up headcanons and treating it like statutory law. They had it coming, and they got exactly what they deserve.
No. 2135049
>>2135042This is an annoying question, specially if it comes after
>>2135040She literally said that the dwarf is the equivalent of a weird old neighbor she lived close to when she was a kid, of course she won't find that shit sexy, people are so retarded.
No. 2135139
>>2135039More creators need to develop this mindset to be honest. But I've often wondered if I created something that took off, would I be able to stay away from the discourse and not be influenced by it? Would I be consumed by stressing over how my fanbase would react to where I wanted to take the story to? It's an interesting thing to think about because people keep shaming authors for giving in to their fans, but how many of them would be able to deal with the pressure? Even if you yourself don't follow your fandom, it would be brought up to you in interviews like this or by your editors so you would end up being exposed to it either way. I've always admired Toby Fox for skipping invasive and embarrassing questions like this
>>2135048 , but imagine being someone who just wanted to express themselves through a story being asked if the meaning behind your character is some paraphilic sexual undertone laced with autistic representation and you're taken completely aback by a loaded claim like that. Absolute horror.
No. 2135168
>>2135139the current strains of common fandom interpretations (representation in general, sexuality, and gender etc) are all pretty much minefield questions as well, where if a creator does, even gently, disagree with the 'theory' (kinda hate calling them that because they're not really theories and more projection) they can get crucified over it. Personally I prefer it when creators can be frank about their work, but current fandom deifies both the author and, possibly more so, the fanon, so if the former puts down the latter it's not a neutral disagreement but an attack on the fans and their sense of self. Bonkers mindset.
It's weird how 'word of god' used to be the be-all-end-all in fandom discussions, but now people are much happier to thrown out creator statements/clarifications in favour of their own bullshit. I know it's because of my particular strain of autism, but I've never seen the appeal in that as a fan.
No. 2135201
>>2134562Furries are made up of presumably "queer" and "neurodivergent" fans who hide behind labels to get out of sticky confrontation. They're that type of safe horny that's fine to indulge in while earnestly liking human anime characters gets one labeled a shotacon despite reading pretty tame BL media. I'm personally okay with some furries, but the fandom as a whole is extremely poisoned that it's hard to find a few not secretly torturing puppies behind closed doors. They may go on and on about kicking out zoos, but the fact is, they've been there from the start. Having animals as a focal point is bound to attract these types and no amount of "we don't allow bad actors" will fix that. If anything, by having it be main unifying force, anyone could be a furry just by liking animals.
>>2135139Modern communities need to learn that expecting everything to be canon ruins fanon. A character doesn't need to be actually gay or autistic to be good, but it's fine to interpret them that way if that's how a fan perceives them. In the end, none of it matters but it's the best way of doing rep imo. Let fans see them as whatever while the author can work on their own vision for the series–provided it's a perfect world. Fans these days are primarily the type to slap a billion labels on themselves out of a need for being special. The pathological urge bleeds into their fandom habits you get the cluster fuck that is modern headcanon. It's no longer in the head. Everyone must know that so-so is so totes gay and the author is actually a homophobe for not forcing them out of the closet. I'm glad the dunmeshi author
>>2135039shut down any hints of the Marcille x Fallin sailing. not to say it's a good thing, but some ships should be left as a fandom thing and not canon.
No. 2135386
>>2135344I'm just glad she turned down the autism thing. It's one thing to joke around and talk about the mc being autistic, but to take it so seriously that he becomes rep and there's suddenly rules about how you can treat him or write about him isn't fun at all.
If you want edutainment autism rep, look up edutainment.
No. 2135406
>>2135386>he becomes rep and there's suddenly rules about how you can treat him or write about himThis is what sucks the fun out of current fandom the most for me. I can ignore or block annoying people in the fandom who post shit I don't jive with, but having people come bother me on my fan content because I'm not up to date with the latest protected fanon (or am actively ignoring it in favour of canon or playing around with a character/concept kek) and didn't include it/contradicted it 'without warning' is fucking tiring. It's also asking a lot of fans, who are usually just trying to have fun or engage in some escapism, to have to suddenly pay attention to real-world issues or sensitive topics when they want to write a crackfic or rarepair or plain shipping or genfic or a dumb modern!AU. No wonder so many fandoms have stale, repetitive fic scenes.
Also fics or fancomics that pause what they're doing to give the reader, through the mouth of the characters, some tacky psa are so annoying but people will gush about it in the comments (though I wonder if at least some of that is performative, as so much of what these kinds of people do is)
No. 2135623
>>2135556I just wish people would treat anime normally.
What's wrong with enjoying a story as is? To treat it genuinely as somebody's effort to write a story? There a lot more to Dungeon Meshi than asking if some characters are lesbian or if the mc is autistic, or the coomer fanart.
I just want a rlm, two people discussing the series on its own merit, vibe for once. No "anime is shallow and braindead fanservice and you're dumb for thinking there's more" or "the author just doesn't know they were writing about me and my struggles".
No. 2135635
>>2135470So they aren't crushed by it at all kek
>>2135478I really doubt those people exist. And in the interview she didn't even deny anything, she said their relationship is up to interpretation.
No. 2135709
>>2135702I've seen a few genuinely say all Japanese are autistic, isn't that kind of racist?
Like, I can't imagine saying similiar stuff about other ethnic groups wouldn't be called out by the same type.
No. 2135728
>>2135038I like the fact that the author didn't necessarily destroy people's interpretations of their work, but clearly didn't agree with them, either. I think they handled the interview well despite the retarded questions. I also like what they said about writing the story how they like it and not giving into fans or their interpretations. I think more artists and writers should how this attitude, but I understand it being difficult, especially if you have a large audience.
As for the fandom, I'm not actually a part of it, never even watched the show or read the manga, but I have mutuals who are crazy about it and from the outside looking in, I think people are taking it a bit too seriously. The point of fanon is that nothing is real, but people enjoy it regardless. At one point it was accepted that headcanons or theories were just that, silly things that your mind made up and you were happy with it never being confirmed by canon. Nowadays, people need their headcanons, theories, shipping, etc. to be validated because a lot of people put their entire identities into fandom to the point where if there's even a bit of disagreement or disapproval from the author, they feel like their very identity is being attacked. I think that's why fandom seems so alienating and tiring because people can't accept media for what it is and need to find everything relatable or to validate them.
No. 2135824
>>2135310Most furries are just average. Most aren’t super rich, and a lot of the people blowing tons of money are one of the following: 1. financially irresponsible 2. live with their parents 3. have rich parents to mooch off of. I’ve seen so many cases of people emergency selling fursuits and stuff to make ends meet, or people putting convention bills on credit cards and shit. When I did furry comms it was pretty common for people to ask for me to save a slot for a little bit so they could get their next paycheck for it.
t. Furry
No. 2135899
>>2135762? What are you talking about. I never said anyone was stopping me, I was just surprised a lot of people hated them? You sound like one of those posters who were getting mad at himejoshis for wanting more f/f content or something. Literally all I said was that they were cute and that I was surprised about the hate for them, since I didn't think they had any fanservice of them or whatever, which I thought was why most people disliked f/f pairings.
>>2135759Yeah, that makes sense, although I do think there's some hate for f/f pairings on this site in general. I dont care if they're not together, I just thought they were cute.
No. 2136194
>>2135899What makes you surprise? A large number of OSA farmers lurk this thread, some of which don't ship f/f for a number of reasons. There's also the fact that some SSA are unsatisfied with the f/f pairings on display and would rather lesbend a yaoi couple than waste time being invested in ships lacking in payoff. Personally speaking, the ship feels kinda boring until the
incident. That's about it really.
No. 2136736
>>2136666That makes sense, but I do think there are some rampant hatred against lesbians in general, especially on lolcow, surprisingly enough, so it just would not surprise me if some of them were genuinely homophobic to them. I do think it's idiotic to berate women for consuming media, especially for trivial reasons, though my criticism is more so the aggression towards himejoshis/lesbians.
>>2136674I understand that, but there is some obvious aggression to women who are himejoshis, who are primarily lesbians. I don't think anyone hates lesbians for disliking the ship, but it seems like anytime theres any f/f discussion, theres always the same anons who seems very aggressive about it. I mean, they even start calling anyone who likes f/f pairings trans, which is what I mean. Insinuating that a woman who likes yuri somehow automatically makes her as deranged as a tranny, or that every media about lesbians is only for men implies that media depicting the sexuality can only be sexualized. I understand that a lot of men sexualize it, that it's a fetish, but it doesn't change the fact that there are real female creators who makes such things, and they can be appreciated without specific users going on rants (like the last thread) about how anyone who likes it is a tranny/male. I'm not even a lesbian, I'm bi, but I've liked madoka as a kid, and I like f/f media. I think yaoi is cool too.
No. 2136780
>>2136736>hatred against lesbians in general, especially on lolcowHas this been happening outside of LC? Like on xitter? I don’t go on xitter, so I only have knowledge of what’s happening on LC, but from what I can tell, this is a result of mods not cracking down on the tradthots, trannies, and undesirables that invaded this summer. However, they have cracked down on the antifujo sperging outside of the containment threads
the fact that they needed two whole containment threads is really something. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sort of overlap of them.
No. 2136784
>>2136780On twitter, they are trying to change the definition of lesbians to "non men loving men", which I shouldn't have to explain how offensive that is. I do think there's a lot more hatred against lesbians coming from their own community, but that's always been rampant, I mean, look at how they treat them when they dont want to sleep with trannies. Despite being bi myself, I do think bisexual women actually hate lesbians a lot too, I'm not sure why, it's usually in the younger crowd, this is more prominent on tiktok/twitter. They really like to paint every lesbian character (even singers) as bisexual or love bringing up the fact that a lesbian has slept with a man (chapell roan, etc). I use a specific japanese site where japanese women make media catered towards women, and they have a girls love category and a bl category.
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>>2136666NAYRT I don’t know, I see more yumes and fujos getting pissy about himejoshi but never the other way around. I notice the latter seem to stay in their threads, but the former is always complaining about “being forced to write/draw yuri” or despite such thing not really being… a thing. If anything, we live in a society where males in media are centered and it’s actually quite rare for yuri stuff to be popular in female-heavy fandoms, so I guess the moment they notice people in fandoms being interested in female chars instead of their “cute boys” (as what the poster always mentions in her posts), they get really weird and think they have to join the bandwagon instead of ignoring things like most people do. Most actual non-tumblr polilez weeb lesbians I know don’t even talk about yaoi, positively or negatively. I feel like what these homophobes do is a self-inflicted thing, and because they love moids, they start blaming women who can’t. Then they turn around and go “liking yuri is for troons!” when het girls like bara/yaoi too but don’t get mad at gay moids who do. Let’s be real, it’s just very obvious homophobia. We have to admit that. I’ve been trying very hard not to say anything but I’ve been noticing the same speech patterns over and over—not sure if it’s one unhinged lesbophobe or multiple because of the sameness of those posts—and feel like it should be pointed out now. There are literally designated yaoi/yuri/cute boys/cute girls thread, but I notice the same lesbophobe poster spilling out to places she doesn’t need to be. Like just hide the threads about lesbians if you hate them so much, sis. Not that hard.
No. 2136796
>>2136792>see more yumes and fujos getting pissy about himejoshi but never the other way aroundThey're complaining about fujos in the antifujo thread right now.
Both are just as pissy about the other but act like they're the better ones. It's obvious and obnoxious all around.
Dungeon Meshi isn't good fujo or yuri bait to begin with, and there's a few here that probably don't give a shit about yaoi and think.the make characters are fat but don't like the "yuri" aspect and complain about it more because they don't like how sexualized Falin and Marcille are.
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Himejoshis and fujoshis, what is your favorite piece of media? Mine is killing eve and madoka magica.. My favorite mlp ship is rarijack. I need to know what your favorite tropes are when it comes to ships, and your favorite mlp ship will tell your favorite tropes. Hopefully we can reconcile and understand each other.. We are all sisters at the end.
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>>2136822Here's another meme as a peace offering. We must stay united… WAKALAH MY FELLOW FUJO SISTERS..
No. 2136839
>>2136827>josei is DISGUSTING and FOR CUCKS because MAIN DUMB FEMOID has VILE WHORE BOOBSIsn't this the most common opinion on this site?
Just recently, there was that Jirai Kei vn with the mc with the big boobs.
No. 2136853
>>2136780>However, they have cracked down on the antifujo sperging outside of the containment threadsThat's because antifujo sperging dominated every goddamn discussion at some point. People kept bringing fujos up in every single discussion like they ruled the world and every thread was derailed by a pointless back-and-forth about the essence of fujoism which got repetitive and going in circles really fast. Turns out it was just a few spergs obsessing over it because once the containment threads were made they sink to page 9 immediately. Look at this thread, someone snuck in discourse about fujos and immediately the sperg sharks smelled blood in the water and started screaming like this.
>>2136827As for people's bad opinion on himes, it's not about people hating lesbians. And don't get me wrong, as a lesbian this site definitely has a cultivated tradthot/polfag audience that hates all homosexuality and that includes lesbians, but anime girls aren't real (personally, I'm only attracted to IRL women and don't get the appeal of anime women) and the obnoxiousness of himes and why so many people around here have a bad opinion on them comes from them recently constantly whining about the lack of f/f works in fandom and making the amount of f/f m/f and m/m fics on Ao3 some sort of a competition, and many of these people being trannies whether we like it or not.
>>2136792>I see more yumes and fujos getting pissy about himejoshiLie. This topic has already been discussed ITT multiple times. The "fandoms are SO male-centric!" has recently been discovered as transbian dogwhistle about whining how they should be fed more hot lesbians to coom to everywhere they go.
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>>2136894Here
nonnyhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2503780/Lunar_maiden_Riverside_Angel_and_the_Godlike_moment/Warning, the previews on the steam page contains cursed NSFW CG with watermelon boobs. I'm saying that as someone who is fine with most big breasted mcs in smut manga as long as they don't completely defy reality.
No. 2136930
>>2136925KEK
this piece of garbage is what anon's so salty about nonnies hating? Holy fuck yeah this deserves all the hate in the world, joseimuke that makes everything look like scrote coomery is certified garbage. She looks like fetish art with the toddler face and gigantic inflation fetish boobs and thighs. Disgusting, do otome fans actually like this?
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>>2136930No, been playing otome since 2010ish and the average otome heroine is usually on the slender side. Most otome these days are not r18 though, those heroines tend to have bigger breasts but I've never seen anything this bad
No. 2136978
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>>2136967I like the outfit of the 4th and 5th girlies in the first row the most, very smart looking
>>2136959If you go through the doujin circle's (succulent) game list on vndb you'll understand that they are completely different from normal otome writers. They will write something indistinguishable from hentai crap and then claim it's for women somehow. Some summaries of their games
>whore mc gets raped by neighbor but somehow decides that letting her rapist freeload off her is a good idea>mc is spammed by dick pics by stalker and develops a crush from that(??), when the guy decides to stop stalking her she starts stalking him instead>supposedly pure mc lets a greasy older moid fuck her ass in return for accommodation I have played only their first game and it was a snoozefest with fujobait. It was a kinetic novel where the mc realizes at the end that
she's only a flashlight to her supposed boyfriend who writes disturbingly romantic sounding poems for his best friend instead. Still, this game was less bad than the others that make me suspect they are written by either a tranny or a completely brainrotted woman. You can find the story writer for this circle on X (picrel), she(?) retweets the grossest hentai comics and autistically posts a photo of her car every single day (no exaggeration). The latter isn't a problem but the former makes me want to throw up.
No. 2136998
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>>2136822>>2136925Nu Carnival. Moids and himes have so many options when it comes to popular gacha games with 99% female casts, so it’s nice to have something fujo-marketed for once. Decent plot, good designs/art and charming personalities, I highly recommend.
>>2136827Are you aware that the year is 2024, nona? Just asking.
No. 2137004
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>>2136999Do you think something like picrel would attract troons or moids? It's dazai and chuuya genderbent
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>>2136993AYRT. Since you asked nicely (thank you), I’m a fujo who dabbles in yuri for fun and I make it a point of being ice-cold towards any troonery that comes up on my feed. Any of that ‘girldick’, ‘T4T’, ‘this man is a butch’, ‘yurify your yaoi’ crap gets an insta-block to high heaven. Keep your yaoi and yuri in separate cabinets. Use specific language that excludes male anatomy when talking about more nsfw-topics (TIFs HATE hearing lesbians explicitly thirst over ‘pussy’ for some reason… kek). Finally, don’t engage with TIF-heavy fandoms if you can avoid it: the more ‘moe’ a show or game is, the more it attracts men who want to project hard onto kawaii anime schoolgirls. I hope this advice can be useful.
No. 2137019
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>>2136998Good day to you, fellow nukani enjoyer! I feel you so much about the boys being cute and charming, if you look at the dev interviews you totally can feel how much heart went into making the game ♥
No. 2137030
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>>2137019Aw, such a lovely interview. It also touches on something else I’ve been thinking about lately, which is the massive market gap for male-only character gacha games. If someone were to come along and do it
really well, with attractive designs and open world exploration and a fun battle system, something Genshin-esque, then they could easily snatch up a huge female customer base who are tired of playing increasingly waifu-centric games. Every fandom I’m in from Hoyoverse to Cookie Run keeps complaining that the male to female ratio is just getting worse and worse across the board. The opportunity is ripe for the picking and I’m calling it now.
No. 2137045
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>>2137004It's a good start. From what I've seen in yuri circles, TIMs are there to coom be it saccharine cute girls kissing or "
toxic yuri" in which a sexy obsessive yandere practically rapes their little girl self-insert, but they're averse to anything that's either relatable to women exclusively (hard to explain, it's something you just know as a woman) or like mentioned, depicts GNC women. And I mean actual female-attracted butches, not a dommy mommy with an undercut or the "sporty tan tomboys" or whatever the latest moid fetish was. They screech and ree about masculine women and write schizo rants about how being attracted to butches is latent bisexuality, yuriships like in picrel would make them lose their minds because it's not tiny 12-year old looking anime girls.
No. 2137049
>>2137019>>2137030But how do you market that without certain brands of feminist tossing sexism accusations your way? Would love for these to exist but TIMs and their like haven't been amused by anything that actually panders to women and not wueer gendies with a
victim complex.
>>2137045I'm straight and would read this ngl.
No. 2137062
>>2137049>I'm straight and would read this ngl.That's the thing, getting women of all sexualities interested in something guarantees a female-dominated fandom. BL is so hugely successful because it's so unapologetically female and attracts women regardless of their sexuality, while yuri was stuck in the class s rut due to moids invading the scene. There's a surprising amount of really good-looking unconventional Korean GL but none of it gets translated, the only series that gets an official translation are dogshit.
>>2137061AYRT, no, I'm talking specifically around the hyperfeminine characters that men hate but women love.
No. 2137069
>>2137049That’s exactly why these games should exist. Obviously the primary reason is that I would love to play a game featuring hot guys, but a secondary reason is that a lot of retards think that a lack of female characters in media is sexist, rather than seeing that the absence of female-catered media properties is the
real sexism. They value fictional women over actual, living and breathing women. While this will never change, we can forcibly create our own waifu-free spaces regardless of what they think. I no longer care about pandering to waifufags when they won’t give us an inch.
>>2137062I can second this, I love reading good/funny yuri even if I have no attraction. The one with the green backgrounds is cute, and I particularly liked that one that had a similar art and comedy style to 19 days.
No. 2137074
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>>2137051The lack of sexulity and closed-offness it conveys. Lolita feels comfortable to wear whereas other the sort of preformative girliness is usually uncomfortable like it was forced on the women than something she'd actually wear. You don't see lolita in super high heels or with garish makeup because that's something only men like.
>>2137058They're too deluded in their beliefs to ever pander to women. Women don't' matter, they say. Investors won't toss their money at these projects if they know they won't fly off the shelves yet women make up half of the gaming population. Why aren't more companies making female-aimed games at a higher quality? I'd kill my first child for a good quality dress up game instead yet another DEI cashgrab. The tech's there, all they need to do is harness for something productive for once.
>>2137062Maybe that's why people avoid GL. Most of the things that get ported here are usually the safe good-feel kinds that only appeal to the lowest common denominator. You can't have anything that challenges preconceptions or stars interesting female characters. Too much for their brand of feminism.
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>>2136930It's honestly depressing. Like I don't mind established MCs, it's not a big deal most of the times, I can survive self-inserting on a character that looks absolutely nothing like me, otherwise many yumes wouldn't have fallen into this rabbithole.
But sometimes it's so ridiculous that you just stare at it and close the tab because seriously what the hell, kek.
This is honestly why Nu:Carnival is such a breath of fresh air, if you have golden medals at mental gymnastics like me, you can self-insert even in BL games because why not? There's even solo scenarios for the MC, it's really neat.
I unironically think that otome shouldn't always have an established MC unless it's like Nifhleim's MC, it's honestly the best MC I've ever seen because she just doesn't have any special features that makes self-inserting difficult, specially for otome/yume newbies that just want to get wooed by hot anime guys, it breaks the illusion sometimes, even if the MC doesn't have eyes like a coomer MC.
I don't even mind some implied gendie MCs (like Obey Me's MC or Twisted Wonderland's MC) because in the end they don't have any sprite that makes it difficult to self insert. I still don't truly like being referred to as a "they" though, so that's something that will surely get fixed after the whole tranny fad ends, but it's still better than seeing some bug eyed anime girl with the most randomized body ever.
And that's not even touching the josei/shoujo/otome manga situation, it's just bizarre. They should just admit it's porn and that's it, because you can't self-insert as the MC, the MC is actually the focus of the porn and most of the time the plot is absolutely retarded.
It's like a group of moids asked some women what they want, the women said some vague ideas and they drew porn like usual but with some different inner dialogs.
And I get it, porn is always from the moid POV, but is it really that difficult to make it from the female POV? It exists, so it shouldn't be that difficult to find the references, just slap an anime filter on it, and any boring/straight up ugly moid faces/bodies will be replaced by hot anime guys.
No. 2137090
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>>2137079I’m not into Pokemon at all, but I saw some discourse over a YouTuber wanting to fuck a 12 year old girl over the sexy and confident’ adult woman, picrel. Is this an example of what you’re referring to?
No. 2137096
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>>2137079I have a theory. On one end of the spectrum, moids love women who don’t want sex and end up submitting to the moid’s rapey advances. On the other, moids love women who invite them to have sex by spreading their legs and catering to their coom gaze. So they hate women who don’t fall into either category: women who
want sex, but not to please the moid. They actually want to fuck because they know they’ll enjoy it and have a genuinely good time. But moids hate the idea of a woman enjoying penetration because they get off on fantasies of humiliating us.
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>>2137079Samefagging from
>>2137090, I’d also wager this is the reason most scrotes prefer Stocking over Panty despite the fact that Stocking is deliberately made out to be the overtly horny one who’s always looking for sex.
No. 2137103
>>2137096>But moids hate the idea of a woman enjoying penetration because they get off on fantasies of humiliating us.Nah, moids love women who enjoy penetration, because there's nothing more humiliating for her than being "conquered" by his dick. Why else do you think squirting is so fetishized, and why else would you have hentai where the woman orgasms 100 times in a row from the moid jackhammering her womb?
What men are truly uncomfortable with is women who don't have a phallocentric view of sex. Women who expect him to know where her clit is, how to work it, and expect him to be hot, well-groomed, and well-dressed. All of these things scare the moid because he just can't jackhammer, coom, and call it a day. The woman will expect more from him, more than he could give and that makes him feel immensely insecure and worthless. Hence why these women are whores and sluts.
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>>2137116They want the emo goth gf
No. 2137134
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>>2136999>or introducing more butch characters. Masculinity in women is like kryptonite to TIMsNonna, have you ever heard of "MTF butch lesbians"? Lesbian subreddits are full of them, and they even have their own sub like picrel. I'm a lesbian and had these creeps hitting on me irl. They're males who pass even worse than the ones who claim that they pass well (they wish, we ALWAYS know kek), so they call themselves "butch". Some of them also have a specific masculine lesbian fetish, but some are "butch4femme". They're just as gross as the other troons and, sadly, they're also the reason why drawing more masculine lesbians (or even being a masculine lesbian!) is not the way to get rid of transbians. Only TERFism actually works, but most TERFy lesbians get banned too quickly to make any significant changes.
No. 2137147
>>2137103Sorry, nona. What I meant to emphasise is the fact that a woman would
enjoy and have fun with penetration as opposed to blanket rape, not to emphasise penetration specifically. But you put it better than I did. In all my years, I’ve never seen a hentai fanart focus on the clit even once, kek.
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>>2137045>>2137051Im not a fan of hyperfeminine stuff or moe, neither butches, so i guess i would fall under GNC? Are butches and gnc the same thing? Can you be gnc and have shoulder length hair? Is picrel too scrote-gazey? Being female is so exhausting.
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>>2137159Samefag im just tired of having to walk around eggshells to avoid being sexualized. Sometimes i hang around the BSD fandom, the female side of JJK fandom, or any discussion about M/M pairings or just male characters and i feel jealous and bitter the way they humanize, empathize and give so much nuance to these male characters that in-real-life flesh and blood women dont even get sometimes.
No. 2137170
>>2137160Women have it drilled into their heads that their purpose is to be the ornamental sex, so even when they make supposed female-targeted porn, they can't help but stick to this conditioning and sexualize the self insert as well. Also, I suspect a decent chunk of women end up developing autosexuality due to the combined attack of constant signals that she is obligated to be beautiful and sexually appealing and the total dearth of attractive males to externalize sexual desires towards. Some hetero women aren't attracted to men, they are attracted to the idea of a man being turned on by
her sexiness.
No. 2137171
>>2137160If you read the replies to that post you'd see that 99% of otome heroines are normal-looking
>>2136938 and the circle that made that game is infamous for creating garbage that most people don't like.
>>2136978I'm getting kind of tired of people who dont play otomes seeing that slop out of context and assuming the worst out of an already often-misunderstood genre just because one indie company created an anomaly.
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>>2137142On the up and up, I can’t wait for the game that finally breaks the bubble. I’m feeling optimistic! If Nu Carnival is any sort of precedent, I hope it goes with an art style that makes them handsome and sexy with mature bodies; none of this ghostly, twiggy crap like Genshin men, or manhwa-type men with those weird, generic faces. HSR has a good male body-type, but the faces and hair feel like a moid’s guess at what a woman finds attractive. I want charming faces, healthy abs and a range of heights, hairstyles and personalities. Please and thank you!
No. 2137218
>>2137160I feel your frustration
nonnie. Sometimes, I yearn for a manga where someone that looks like Reinhard from LOGH falls for an average-looking woman with the personality of a blackpilled feminist from /2X/.
No. 2137262
>>2137134Well, your picrel is actually a perfect image of how a
man sees a lesbian and the kind of aesthetic that attracts them to yuri circles. The "tee hee flannel shirt and leaning against the doorframe I'm such a butch!" thing is really common to TIM transbians while most women who see this see it for what it is - a corny male interpretation of "butch lesbianism", a vision seen through a male lens. Shit like this isn't attractive to women because it doesn't feel familiar and safe, it's out of touch, it feels like another moidgaze fantasy, it's like a male gen X writer for a TV series assigned the task of writing a lesbian character.
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>>2137338I wonder if being bisexual factors into her experience at all, as in, she’s attracted to women so is more easily drawn into the male gaze trap
No. 2137407
>>2137096Aktually you're close. It's because moids evolved to seek two contradictory objectives: sexual availability and loyalty. Both traits are wanted and not wanted simultaneously, eventually inspiring resentment either way.
That being said, the type of character Nona was describing is very clearly "likes sex but not with you". There's no space for the moid to conquer her with his post-wall "manliness" or neckbeard "personality". To put it simply, she wouldn't be into most moids reading that manga.
No. 2137568
>>2135734It's true. The most tolerable fandoms I've been in were for "edgy" IPs where most/all of the characters are morally ambiguous and "
problematic" situations are depicted. This is doubly the case when the IP isn't the latest flavor-of-the-week trend. I've decided that I won't read dunmeshi for at least a couple of years, if it all, because I want to wait until all the ADHD zoomers get bored and abandon it for the next big thing.
No. 2137577
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>>2137516‘Worshipping’ a collection of pixels is nowhere near the same as upholding the patriarchy, you piss-brained retard. Moids hate women who drool over idealised fictional men because none of us would ever go within ten foot of an actual scrote’s shrivelled knob or we wouldn’t be here on lolcow while posting yaoi on main. Fucking tourists. You know, if us dick-posting bothers you so much, how about keeping your own house clean before coming for ours? Picrel has over 120 thousand likes. Hm. Not looking good for your anti-husbando argument if these are the kind of PR ambassadors you yurifags have elected.
No. 2137614
>>2137412>>2137423She's also bisexual and leans towards liking women, so she shares part of their sexuality while also opening the possibility for threesomes.
I also remember that guys on /a/ who waifued her had a meltdown and called her a slut when the ugly bastard episode aired. Pathetic.
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>>2137577straight women women heterosexual romance disguised as m/m and "lesbians" usually write lesbian romance disguised as m/m, meanwhile gay men irl
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>>2136822Forgive me for zoomer gachatard crimes but bandori (and love live) was a foundational exerpience for me.
No. 2137772
>>2137741I think some male fandoms deal with them (example being the transformers fandom. If you're a moid into that, then you have to deal with their recently "progressive" attitudes towards tifs). And while I hate to admit it, if there's one thing I can "respect" about moids is that they curate their spaces in such a way that only their stank asses can navigate, interact, and survive in them. Meanwhile, women spaces and fandom are almost expected to be friendly and inviting to them. Yet it's always at the expense of the women who set the foundations of the community to begin with. Now we're being driven out because people can't just tell these idiots to go away because they're too afraid of being called the horrid
TERF word. Yet I understand women who'd rather be silent then deal with that kind of drama. Even men admit to the fact that women in general suffer harsher consequences from rejecting tifs then they do.
No. 2137818
>>2137508>JJK>BSDIsn't a part of the issue that neither series are known for interesting female characters to begin with?
I've looked around in more niche fandoms, where it's more moidy but there's decent female characters and fujos draw the female characters, celebrate their birthdays, even bring nendos out to eat and take photos.
Regardless of the male characters, not many people are going to do that for fucking Mei Mei or dead for 5 years Nobora.
No. 2137848
>>2137577I wish these women could understand that liking anime boys and loathing 3DPD is
valid and doesnt make you a lesbian
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>>2136938(Reposting to fix some problems and add one missing layer.)
Following up on this by adding an r18 otome mcs version as well. Most of these games are not localized (only mcs from position 1,2, 10 are from localized games), unlike the previous picture where all of the mcs were from localized games. I tried to maintain a reverse chronological order (as per release date on vndb). Maybe I should post this on the otome thread too.
Imo most the designs are alright and not too sexualized, but I did check out some CGs and yeah, once the clothes come off most of these ladies' boobs grow at least 2 sizes. I wish I could post some good HCGs (mc proportions tolerable, the man is naked and looks good, no rape) and bad HCGs (the opposite) for reference too but don't want to get banned, so I'll refrain.
>>2137865Haruka na Koi, Orfleurs, Tsubasa no Oka no Hime: A Red and Blue Moon -Finite Loop-! I only played the last one and must warn you about it: the art is godly but the story was disjointed, confusing and crap. And even though it's supposed to be otome, often you actually see the story in the eyes of one specific LI, so he feels more like the mc than the woman. If you google for reviews you will find more people like me seething at the lost potential.
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I'd like to gently remind everyone that there's a separate thread for fighting about fujoshis:
>>1978406 No. 2138000
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>>2137890Homestuck is one of those rare cases where a moid actually managed to write decent female characters. But then he flushed it all down the toilet by putting out a sequel where one is a TiF and another has a dog penis. Sigh.
No. 2138068
>>2137890>>2137896Ok, I'm about to post a mindblowing take here. Brace your bussies.
What if the "complexity" you attribute to male characters is imagined by
you? From an outside perspective, not a shipfag of any kind: what exactly do you find in them that's particularly deeper and more interesting than even the most coomslop fanservice female characters? Can you give me one character from ongoing animus (Gojo something? Whatever it is fujos ship these days), or perhaps someone from yaoi, who isn't just a generic emo woobie, hothead, tsundere, dorodere, you name it? I swear you all talk about them like the anime is based on Dostoyevsky or some shit. I'm not trying to bait, I'm just genuinely interested in what it is that you see in all these literally and figuratively two dimensional entities besides dick. Ok, they're not objectified - but
deep and complex? What have I missed? Are you guys sure you're not overhumanizing men and finding something in them that just
isn't there?
No. 2138106
>>2138068I'm
>>2137896 and you misinterpreted what I said.
The issue for me isn't that there aren't good female characters, but that the standards for an "appropriate" good female character here are too autistic for me to give a shit about arguing about it anymore.
Also, let's take Gojo.
But, also take the female characters from that series. Outside Nobora and Maki, what is there that is even close to a bar as low as Gojo?
Most "weebs" here are go off of twitter trends and fotm shounen. Most did not read Jujutsu Kaisen before it get adapted. No shit, female characters are going to be lower than the Gojo bar. They're all either dead or irrelevant.
No. 2138114
>>2138106Lol you serious? They're all about the same as the generic blindfolded donut steel, unless I
really am missing something. Can you explain, in your own words, what makes him complex and interesting rather than comparing him to other characters right off the bat? For those who don't read/watch JJK.
No. 2138125
>>2137900And how is that our fucking problem? Go cry in the corner about it then. Just another retard blaming shit on women when your waifu content has nothing to do with us. Have you tried bullying male creators into writing better? No? Or are you venting at fujos because yelling at women makes an easier target than persuading moids to listen? God! Just shut the fuck up. We're not obliged to sit and listen to you whinge, faggot.
>>2138068>>2138114Let me put it to you this way. Would you demand a scrote explain to you why he spends 99% of his time retweeting art of anime waifus instead of husbandos? Or do you accept it as a fact of life that straight men tend to consume and create more content of the opposite gender? Good. So why can't you give us the same respect? No way in hell I'm answering your obvious TIM-bait of a retard question. Crawl back to AGP hell and huff that copium all the way down. Fuck your waifus and fuck you too.
(infighting) No. 2138126
>>2138106It's not that the characterization of male characters is particularly deep, its just that the bar really is
that low and this is primarily attributed to shonenslop. Given that its the most popular genre of anime and manga with a predominant focus on male characters, said male characters are going to be given more screen-time and character development even if said character development is bog-standard. This leaves the remaining female characters quite literally dead or irrelevant as they are written out the plot once they got their 10 minutes worth of a character arc and when they served their role as fanservice or love interest. And when female characters are left dead or irrelevant, the male characters are left with no one else to have character dynamics with other than other male characters, typically the friend, the rival or the antagonist. It's no wonder then that shonen anime and manga has a large vocal fujoshi fanbase.
No. 2138128
>>2138114It's fairly basic,
compared to Gojo, who had a backstory, character arc, relationships, and an actual death that characters reacted to, Nobora the female lead was offscreened with a "she might have died idk lol I'm not bringing her back tho" several years ago, I think around 2020? She was left completely unfinished, no character arc, barely a power up, even moids were flabbergasted and figured that the author might be gay and hated having to write women at all. The manga is nearly over and she is still "probably dead". No. 2138143
>>2138138I do not care about the quality of his backstory, you can call it whatever you want but no amount of coping or seething changes the fact that he got an arc in season 2 for himself while Nobora got a cherry pie smashed into her face and a vacation to a farm up north.
>Even the pitiful amountYes it is quite pitiful, isn't it?
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Waifufags will look you dead in the eye and ask you shit like
>>2138068 then close lolcow and fire up their daily hoyoslop while contemplating the 'deep', 'meaningful' and 'interesting' lesbian prose to be found in the crevice of picrel's spandexed and suctioned asshole. Dickinson wept
No. 2138147
>>2138143So in conclusion he's not actually a
better character, he just got more time. Thanks for proving my point.
No. 2138149
>>2138147He got
a character which yes, if you do the math right is actually better than
no character.
No. 2138175
>>2138149>a lot of slop is better a little of qualitySasuga ongoing fujoshi
>>2138146>contemplating the 'deep', 'meaningful' and 'interesting'>to be found in the creviceYou just described fujos trying to scrape for deep complex characterization in woobie shounenslop character #1537834793. Don't seethe this hard - I don't even read yuri/josei or ship anything, I just really want to understand what is it that you see in 2d cock that is sorely lacking in 2d women, and so far I haven't seen anything from you besides furious arm fat flapping.
So, out of curiosity, any of you got a
deep BL for me to read? Judging from what I hear here about the male characters there, it should be real fucking kino, at least compared to coomslop. Any takers?
inb4 boku no pico No. 2138177
>>2138125>>2138125Holy shit youre actually having a meltdown kek. This is not a fujo-only thread, i never blamed women for not wanting waifus i just want female characters be allowed to be multidimensional and given a chance at nuance and not jump to call them "
problematic" when their beloved husbandos do way worse things.
(infighting) No. 2138178
>>2138175Do you think anybody is retarded enough to think somebody like you would take any rec given genuinely?
After your retarded
>Sasuga ongoing fujoshiNobora cope?
No. 2138193
>>2138176Perhaps. Or you know that objectively it's shallow slop only fujoshis are capable of seeing as deep because they overhumanize mid cartoon men. Why don't you humor me? I promise I won't make fun of your taste or the work. Just give me your best shot. I'll read it and post a review ITT.
>>2138172I'm not a yurifag. But if I did want some custom coom material, the last type of artist I'd be asking for it is a cringe BL one topkek (no offense)
No. 2138204
>>2138178Sorry I think Gojo is so one dimensional he doesn't even count as 2d, and even some cancelled mid two episodes wonder BTFO's his entire presence in the series. But JJK is abysmal shit overall, so surely you have an actually
deep male character for me. Double points if he's from a BL series. Come on, don't be a boipussy.
No. 2138215
>>2138177>i just want female characters be allowed to be multidimensional They are 'allowed' to be multidimensional. You just don't want to take the time and effort to explore their multidimensionality yourself. It's not our job; you do it.
>not jump to call them "problematic"If you think anyone on lolcow gives a single fuck about your schizo fandom wars over '
problematic' characters then you must be seriously lost, buddy. 4chan and Reddit are down the hall to the left.
No. 2138228
>>2138218>They'll complain about women being depreciated and poorly written in shonen, but when called out on possibly improving their images by contributing more to their characterization and appreciation in fandomWhat do you think a fandom is?
Fandoms are when you are already a fan of something. I don't "invest" in a fandom because I think the character "is shit but can be better if I do the work for the author".
If I write for a character or make fanart, its because I already like how the character is written and want more.
No. 2138233
>>2138212I mean okay, if you want me to review it. But then if it ends up being shallow and overhyped you'll say you were just pretending to be retarded and it wasn't for realsies, right? Hey, you can still just admit that you have a bias for seeing painfully mid men as deep.
Anyways, BL enjoyers hmu, I still want them recs. You have a once in a lifetime opportunity to show me world class literature that puts all sabisu sabisu harem garbage, shounen shit, u-uwu yuri and n-no yamete I'm imprisoned by a Yakuza yandere boyfriend yoomshit into the grave.
No. 2138239
>>2138232Beautifully said, nona. The real issue is that yuri fans care more about fictional women than real women, aka fujoshis. It's weird to want to force actual women to pretend to like something for the sake of 'progressivism' than to want women to be free to draw whatever they like, even if that includes hot men only. The latter is a thousand times more feminist because it actually respects female autonomy to do what you want with your spare time.
>>2138233Your scrote main character syndrome is showing.
No. 2138254
>>2138252How about you address the points made in
>>2138232 and
>>2138239? If you cared about women so much, you would value our freedom to draw what we
actually enjoy over your god-given right to fictional anime yuri.
No. 2138269
>>2138232Or - get this - for the most part, all anime slop is derivative and male characters are only deep if you pretend they are. You're intentionally confusing an obviously higher proportion of strictly-fanservice female characters with normal male characters always being written better than normal female characters. Something you can't prove still, because you have a weird need to deny the fact that you enjoy something just as mind numbingly boring as a Catholic school anime yuri waifu.
But speaking of female pixels vs real female authors, don't fujos also like to sneer at female artists who draw big booba airhead rape-otome MCs kek?
No. 2138270
>>2138261Word of advice. If your original goal here was to convince nonas to create more content starring female characters, you have successfully dissuaded me from doing so. Congratulations. But, keep digging.
>>2138269Answer this first.
>>2138254 No. 2138280
>>2138266That's my issue. I have plenty of female characters I would like to talk about, but unlike male characters, just being well written isn't enough for a site like this.
They need to be pure from creation to fandom.
It's no wonder yume, fujos, most people generally, would find it easier to talk about male characters. It's not some retard "fujos hate women" thing. It's not wanting the stupid hassle of looking like a retard going "you don't understand, I get she's an oppai loli but she's really well written!"
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>>2138254I think I just had an epiphany. Fujos think male vietnamese cave painting characters are deep because they can't read.
>From an outside perspective, not a shipfag of any kind>I'm not a yurifag. I'll try to translate: Me no fan of cartoon female having sex with cartoon female. You give good story about cartoon penis to prove point?
(infighting) No. 2138309
>>2138288You're just proving
>>2138263 picrel's point.
>>2138273You're missing the big picture here. I draw yaoi to relax. I work hard, I go home, I unwind. It is a
hobby. You coming along and screaming at me to make something I don't want to is stressful. So I have no desire to do it. But for some reason, you lot are allergic to talking plainly about how passionate you are about female characters without slipping in some bitter jab at fujos. It's just offputting and weird as all hell. I'd rather avoid you and your side of fandom entirely. Save the energy.
>>2138299Why should we? No one wants you to sperg any longer than you have been. Leave.
No. 2138320
>>2138260>men coomi sleep
>women coomthose vapid dumb women how
dare they
No. 2138326
>>2138309Wow, a tweet from a kpooper? Strongest fujo argument.
So in conclusion, you're embarrassed because you know your husbandos are about as deep and original as a mass produced isekai haremshit waifu, but you can't just coom to them like a normal uncucked person. You need an interchangeable sports anime tsundere/megane/shota/woobie (did I list them all?) to become "interesting" in your head first, but not until you nag everyone around you into pretending your delusions are true, usually via sneering at equally fucking braindead female characters. Then you make your basic taste about muh feminism and something something big sexist boobs just to keep pretending that you're not sublimating your residual need to pretend moids are interesting onto cartoons.
(infighting) No. 2138340
>>2138309im
>>2138273 . you seem to have struggle with reading comprehension because nowhere in my post did i shame fujos and wasnt even directed at them, even less likely that i want them to draw yuri for me. I was talking about how on a larger scale female characters rarely ever get the screentime, characterization, nuance male characters get while female characters get rape doujinshis, but you have mega
victim mentality so you decided to write fanfiction about le evil yurifags are forcing you to consume loliwaifus.
No. 2138344
>>2138232You all don't even like the well written characters.
>>2138266And this is what annoys me and why I say "you can't win." Someone posts or likes a female character they think is well written, and every time that person is told that their character is coom bait or gets accused of being a moid. Even characters written by women or for women aren't good enough and still accused of being coom bait. There's always an excuse or argument as to why female characters are never good enough, yet the most boring, bland, sack of shit male character is given grace. Then anons argue about "female objectification being worse," but then make arguments that fandom is suppose to be about escapism and we should stop taking it seriously, yet when someone brings up a
valid point about lesbian media or the treatment of women in fandom in general, suddenly the same talking points about feminism and spiels about sexuality and gender are used despite you all always complaining when tifs and other members of the rainbow brigade do it. It's like you all use feminism, or your gender and sexuality when it's convenient to cover your ass about your husbandos, but get annoyed when others do it.
No. 2138375
>>2138337I think your perception of what fujoshis actually do and say has been warped by people who loudmouth their opinions about fujoshis, rather than interacting with and befriending us firsthand. I can't remember the last time I saw a fujo over the age of 13 put down a female character. Most of us are way too old for that shit. And
>>2138371 just isn't a thing that happens. Show even one example of a '70 page tweetstorm' about the 'plot complexities' of penises over vaginas? One.
No. 2138390
>>2138269>>2138326>You need an interchangeable sports anime tsundere/megane/shota/woobie (did I list them all?) to become "interesting" in your head firstI agree nona (assuming you're the same poster), but women tend to humanize people and characters they're attracted to. Whether the original character is actually deep or not is irrelevant, fujos/yumes/himes will find a way to humanize them and give them a subjectivity. Why can't you understand this? At the end of the day it comes down to the fact that most women are straight or male-leaning bis and thus, less likely to find boring female characters compelling and worthy of fanwork like they do for males. There's an element of escapism and voyeurism too, fujos might enjoy female characters a lot but still need romance/smut to break away from any reminder of womanhood. Just make peace with that.
>Someone posts or likes a female character they think is well written, and every time that person is told that their character is coom bait or gets accused of being a moid. Real. It's like they can't believe we have the same imagination as them and like to fill-in the blanks for mediocre female characters like we do for male ones. Or that we might just be attracted to female characters like they're attracted to male ones, it's like they lack a theory of mind for SSA
>>2138365Well said.
No. 2138396
>>2138375I'm friends with coom only fujos actually. Never heard anything from them besides "two moids hot" and "moid ass getting destroyed good", which is perfectly
valid.
>And >>2138371 just isn't a thing that happensIf we pretend we can't scroll up, sure.
No. 2138401
>>2138395NTA
>mentioning fujos means wanting a piece of them for nefarious femoid purposesWew lad, you all REALLY want yurifags to want you. Is this the fabled lesbian fujo speaking? Ideating a fujoshi x himejoshi doujin rn.
No. 2138402
>>2138395I never brought fujos up kek, you're just a mega narc with a
victim complex and think everyone is out to get you, literally nobody gives a shit about your moids fucking eachother fuck off already
(infighting) No. 2138411
>>2138395I find the walk back of "w-we never mentioned fujos!!" to be really funny.
People can read back.
No. 2138414
>>2138390>women tend to humanize people and characters they're attracted toTrue. So why not admit that there might be at least
a little bias involved in finding male characters "deeper", and make peace with the fact that it's just whatever the opposite of post-nut clarity is?
No. 2138421
>>2138414The example you used was really shit. If you want people to agree, bring up a series with equally respected male and female characters where the male characters are more popular because they're male.
Not shounenslop because obviously, that has its own problems that people will want to talk about.
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>>2138415…They haven't been, actually.
So, just to confirm for the record, it really is because fujos want to fuck male characters but not female ones. That's it. That's why men are deep and women are dumb useless bimbos.
I am perfectly satisfied with this, and I think I no longer need recs.
No. 2138427
>>2137169I feel like this was basically just answered with
>>2137818As in, please, for the love of God, stop watching the big shounen slop show if youre expecting anythimg deep for fucks sake
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Who even says "le epic male characters are better written" anymore, aside from shonen readers?
Sakura gave generations of women aversion to female characters so I'm going to blame Kishimoto for everything.
No. 2138449
>>2138423NTA but these
>>2137508>>2137582>>2138220Have mentioned what you just denied.
No. 2138452
>>2138447>>2138446>>2138439Still, nobody said anything about fujos but any mention of M/M that isnt "moids hot" or just mention of F/F gets fujos
triggered for some reason
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>>2138068Like other anons have said, I think this is an issue with people watching shonenslop because it's popular instead of seeking out things that are of actual decent quality. The whole "female characters are underwritten/oversexualized" thing is pretty much only an issue in anime genres aimed at moids. This ceases to be an issue once you start watching josei and non-anime more generally.
That said, not all shonen shit has sucky female characters. I liked the women in YYH, for instance.
>>2138423>They haven't been, actually.Nta, I did. Twice.
>>2137508 >>2137582
>men are deep and women are dumb useless bimbos.Show me where anyone said this. Anons have been saying that female characters are underwritten and oversexualized in the shit they like. But like I said before, that's because they go for things that are popular, which tend to be moidslop like JJK or Demon Slayer or whatever.
No. 2138476
>>2138447It used to be that way, but fujo discourse had to be quarantined a while back because the subject came up so often and caused so much infighting. So now this is basically just a catch-all thread for all
other types of fandom drama, if that makes sense. It can be tricky to disentangle the two topics, though, so I get where you're coming from.
No. 2138480
>>2138450there's no reason to criticize men for the reasoning i've described, because men don't often feel the need to argue that their coom is driven by depth of character.
what's misogynistic is the idea that straight women are naturally compelled to identify with men but not women in fiction - that, as a result of their sexuality, they're only capable of writing about or empathizing with males because their tastes are solely dictated by whom they're sexually attracted to. this is stupid and a lie. women can be loser coom slobs if they want to, but it is a choice, not a biological imperative, and no one has to pretend that it's not embarrassing and pathetic. that's all.
No. 2138537
>>2138532I think 100% romance oriented stuff is gonna be busted for women since there's usually nothing involved except romance.
Your point reminded me of decent
example to provide
>>2138421 with: innocent vs innocent rouge. Charles is seen as "deeper" and "more interesting" than Marie and I just straight up don't see it, point blank, no matter how hard I try. Btw, I'm straight so in theory I should have penis woobification goggles pre-installed.
No. 2138550
>>2138543Exactly, but I interestify Marie simply because I like her. However, I'm straight so it's not coom interestification. And yeah I know, plus Zero is a child troon, etc.
What I'm looking for is women who interestify female action leads because they relate to them, also women whose interest in something good is substantially nerfed/made impossible by the fact that the lead is male and therefore unrelatable. Does that happen often?
No. 2138662
>>2138128I consider Maki the real female lead at this point. I like Nobara but I'm glad she's not deemed as important just for showing up early in the manga, I wouldn't bz surprised if the editors tried to force Gege to imitate Naruto a bit too much at first. As for Gojo I think he's not a super deep character but he's cool enough that fans get attached to him quickly and think his more unexpected sides that we discover later make him a deep character, like his backstory, him not getting over
Geto leaving and dying, his relationship with his clan, etc. So people just pay more attention to him because his first scenes are him doing cool shit like effortlessly killing enemies and bragging about it. idk it's kind of like Hiruma in Eyeshield 21, he's by far the most popular character in the manga because he's hilarious and acts like an evil mastermind half of the time and has an iconic character design so people payid more attention to him when we get more backstory back then, like when we saw he treated Mamori a bit differently than the others, when we saw him as a primary school student, when we learned a little more about his father
which went nowhere at all while the MC, Sena, gets far more development. It's not gap moe but kind of a similar concept?
No. 2138665
>>2138139Straight up killing off
Nobara so she can't get in the way of Yuji/Megumi in his own manga, in the Shonen Jump no less, can't make this shit up kek.
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>>2137635That's dishonest, at least add the part where m/m f/f shippers (straight women) feel the need to comment on icky m/f content (also by straight women) too.
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is picrel accurate?
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>>2137814NTA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#1970s%E2%80%931980s Honestly the degen shit coming from coomers makes more sense when you see it as a game of chicken. I wish the worse for all those moids threatened by women in the first place though.
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>>2137971Normie women fucking loathe her because she isn't morally pure. They can't handle a character like this if it's a girl.
No. 2138729
>>2137971I don't know why you're replying to people complaining about women not being written well kek but try Helter Skelter (Kyoko Okazaki) and In Clothes Called Fat (Moyoco Anno).
>>2138390>It's like they can't believe we have the same imagination as them and like to fill-in the blanks for mediocre female characters like we do for male ones.Truth.
No. 2138731
>>2138715I domt think its pretty but crying over a fairly average/modern anime artstyle is pretty cringe.
People need to learn that reacting normally to things is good actually.
No. 2138748
>>2138705This honestly makes complete sense. The moid's response to seeing signs of his own sexual obsolescence is a panicked escape into something that's simultaneously vengeful towards women and cloyingly comforting to the moid. Lolicon, much like incest, is the ultimate comfort/safety fantasy for a moid - a child, a female relative or both are a pinnacle of unconditional acceptance, non-enforcement of standards and lack of threat. A lot of pedophilia is literally a fetish for being unable to see men with any sort of objectivity, and lolicon is no different.
Some radfem writers have hypothesized that porn had to become more misogynistic to cope with women advancing in society. I believe this is a perfect example of this effect.
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>>2138748there's something just deeply wrong with japanese society
No. 2138799
>>2138749>>2138764What is the original yaoi you're talking about? Kaze to ki no Uta? Also based or not, women are not above
abusive fetishes.
No. 2138803
>>2138799Yes but women always self insert as the
victim and aren't a threat to anyone while moids self insert as the abuser
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>>2138799>>2138803the point is that there are no "boys" in boys love, it has always been a
toxic heterosexual stories with pseudo-males
No. 2138897
>>2138869>i don't understand how everyone can get why men like lesbian porn but there has to be a bunch of pseudo intellectual ~self inserting~ discussions when it comes to yaoi, like relaxit's probably because men don't usually design their lesbian porn the same way women do with yaoi. I get that the traditional, hyper-feminine uke isn't in vogue like it used to be, but if you're not into yaoi/bl you're only going to know the major stereotypes or how it differs from slash in tropes/cliches if the do enjoy m/m content. So yeah, people then question why specific design choices are being made (I'm sure the same can be done with moid coomfodder, but idk if anyone here really wants to seriously analyse that shit, whereas yaoi overlaps a lot more with other interests in this thread)
Women also tend to intellectualise their porn habits in general to try and elevate it and make them acceptable to have, so they retain some form of 'purity' and aren't just catering to icky base urges or engaging in a fetish. Men don't really do this, not even because it's socially accepted, but expected for them to indulge in sexual interests/urges.
No. 2138940
>>2138902>how come these people are so boringmy theory is that many of these people are too used to self-insert based media and recoil when they encounter a character who isn't designed for that purpose. You see it a lot when readers branch out from YA or romance novels, which usually are designed to have vague female leads to insert into, to other genres of fiction (or even a story that fits into the genres they read but isn't interested in supplying a self-insert fantasy). Then it gets further tangled up in all the morality olympics a lot of women like to engage in, where relating to or empathising with someone with 'disagreeable' traits or a complex characterisation and opinions that do not match the average modern reader is bad and makes you bad. Or something.
Men who also engage in a media diet of exclusively self-insert content also flip out over male MCs who deviate from being a shell to inhabit or who aren't 'treated right' by the narrative/setting (see any isekai that critiques or deconstructs isekais– even if in only a minor way– or otherwise fails to play into the power fantasy). They lack the 'moral purity' requirement though, so they tend not to go on the same kind of screeds as women do.
Black and white thinking in general and autism might also factor in as well kek
No. 2138954
>>2138803>women always self insert as the victimI understand hyperbole but you're wrong. An anon here mentioned being sadistic women but projecting it to women still which is sad but makes sense if you have internalized misogyny. And that's not including weirdoes like hetero femdom liquification nona.
>>2138940The same thing's happening to women who are never satisfied with how female characters are depicted kek.
No. 2138967
>>2138943Assuming you're a lesbian, don't you avoid content made for straight woman. And if you do like GL, why? You like women, so doesn't it make sense to like media that stars the sex you're attracted to? There's more to it, but pretending Yuri has more going on is disingenuous. Any story is capable of shallow introspection. It isn't unique to yuri nor any genre, so why pretend yuri is better because it has more women in it? Harboring this sort of thinking is why no one bothers to make content aimed at straight women because it's sexist to not include every gender under the sun. I still keenly remember game journalists going apeshit at one final fantasy installment lacking a female cast when most women liked due to the variety of cute husbandos to choose from.
>>2138953Can people tell the difference? If you like only female characters, someone might assume you’re gay. Like, how can some tell if a person likes them in a "I want them to be my gf" sort of way or a "I like them as a friend or totally me" sort of way? It gets even messier when you can be a lesbian and like a female character in a platonic or a visual sense of the word.
No. 2139007
>>2138967second ayrt, and I ask this with no malice or mockery, but do you not have friends? The world does not exist as a dichotomy between those who belong in your bed and those who belong outside your house and notice. It doesn't matter if someone assumes you're gay or not either, and again it feels like you're taking 'liking only female characters' to be in a romantic or attraction-based sense here, rather than assuming neutral appreciation or enjoying them for other reasons (personality, design, role in a plot, simply being cool or aspirational). I can't speak for how lesbians navigate female friendships (though I assume it's the same as any other), as I'm straight. I like female characters because I like people, same as I mostly like male characters in a platonic or neutral sense rather than due to attraction (as I have very specific types that are pretty uncommon, but I love fiction and storytelling, so I have many characters that I enjoy outside of those I'd smash kek).
No. 2139120
>>2138953I agree with you nona, and I've seen these statements in past threads as well. Being sexually into characters you like have always been a thing, but I don't know when that became the ONLY reason to consume a story, much like fantasy books became pure coom material with barely no plot, just a setting, since YA took over the publishing world.
>>2138967The only thing you assumed about me that is right is that I'm a lesbian, yes. But no, I don't enjoy yuri or Korean GL, nor do I think yuri is deep lol. Usually I find yuri to be too much like shoujo, which I don't like at all. I tried watching a lot of them but couldn't get into it, maybe I should've tried a bit more, but unfortunately the anime/manga I really like are mostly the 80s/90s shounen I grew up with, which mostly have male casts with just a few good female characters here and there - yeah, I'm attracted to some of these female characters but not all, and yeah I draw f/f art of some of these characters, but I also admire and cosplay male characters even though I don't want to fuck them.
And this whole creed that the only reason to like a story is bc the characters are coom material is just not true (and very annoying) but unfortunately that's a very popular creed. Even in non-fandom lesbian spaces sometimes a lesbian will attack someone like me for enjoying male characters platonically, saying I'm not really a lesbian because of that, which is ridiculous! Lol, I've never been with a male, I hate dick, love vagina, and have been dating women irl since I was 14. I'm also fine being female, so I'm not going to troon out, I promise. And ironically, being involved in fandom spaces for more than 15 years, most of my besties have always been fujos and I've dated a lot of bi fujos as well kek, and that's why I don't get this thing ITT of women saying they only like characters that are coom material - the fujos I know irl, not matter how straight they are, always at least enjoy 2 or 3 female characters platonically. They're also really invested in plot, lore, powers, etc - not just coom. Coom is a big part of it for them, yes, but not their ONLY thing. And I think that's what a lot of nonas are arguing here (this is my 4th post ITT, so older posts are not mine): no, it's not wrong for straight women to create porn for themselves (I particularly am all for straight women being unapologetically loud about their husbandos no matter how moids irl hate them for that. I don't want to look at porny art of males but I support women creating that for themselves and other women), enjoying their yaoi or whatever, and actual lesbians don't want straight women creating yuri for us (believe me, lesbians had enough of fakebians pretending to be SSA for queer points while dating an MTF troon or just a regular neckbeard). It's just that there are other reasons to enjoy stories besides the coom material they may provide, so it's normal for ANYONE to enjoy a character they're not sexually attracted to - and that just because you find a character hot, that doesn't mean said character is deeper than any character you don't want to fuck. See me as an example, I've been attracted to Mai Shiranui from KOF since I was 8 and that's because… she's fucking hot. There's not much more depth besides that and that I love playing with her, yet I like to draw art of her giving her more personality traits besides being hot, all while I love Genkai from YYH for her fighting skills, wisdom, bonding with other characters, and backstory, but she's also a 70 yo woman I'm not attracted to. Maybe when I'm 70, but not now that I'm 29 kek.
>don't you avoid content made for straight womanBy that do you mean content including bishounen characters? Well, I've always enjoyed bishounen characters because as a a cosplayer, it's easier for me to cosplay them than, say, Goku. Yu-Gi-Oh! has a HUGE fujo and husbandofag fanbase for obvious reasons, but I always enjoyed seeing Kaiba protecting his little brother Mokuba, Joey taking care of his little sister, and Yugi/Atem's speeches about never giving up, and I know a lot of fujos enjoy that as well but with a strong sexual element in it that I don't relate, although I'm attracted to Mai Valentine while loving her personality and struggles as well, and I don't see how a straight fujo couldn't appreciate her platonically, just as I appreciate Yugi, and accept that Yugi is no deeper than her just because they want to fuck him (or see him and Atem fucking lol). I didn't plan to write such a long post, so call me out for autism or whatever kek.
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>>2138748>The moid's response to seeing signs of his own sexual obsolescencethat's possible, but I don't believe it personally, from my experience in fandom spaces and general twitter, men (specifically degenerate men) fundamentally can't project themselves as children in any context, they view themselves as the 'ugly bastards' or orcs and goblins in fantasy settings and If they want to be the ones getting fucked, they apply insert their perverted fantasies of women(we see this with tims), look at how many grown men despised pre-teen justin bieber (or any popular young male), despite most likely having looked similar to them when they were prepubescent
No. 2139192
>>2138953I really don't know what this trend is about and you're not the only one making this observation because I've seen plenty of commentary on it lately. People seem to be extremely averse to the idea of consuming a story that isn't about hedonistic wish fulfillment or has a main character that lines up with them 1:1, especially with romance stories. When did we become unable to enjoy stories about people that aren't self-inserts? And I'm not talking about representation of different people and feeling validated for it because I do see that as an important thing, but I'm talking about stories with main characters that are literally (you), not "someone like you".
>>2139120>Lesbian>Fujo>Likes Genkai>Cosplays bishounensI think I'm in love,
nonnie.
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>>2139400Speaking of God complex morally grey female characters, the lead of Jormungand (premier grade penislop) is actually considered based by the moids.
The absolute fucking state of women when MOIDS are less likely to beat down a morally grey girlboss than women are. Shayna tier bleak.
No. 2141541
>>2141322sympathetic villains aren't anything new, what is more recent is thinking that a sob story is what makes them sympathetic or is the easiest way to do so (a sympathetic villain is just one that's understandable, possibly even relatable because they've been fleshed out to have more traits than just 'rarrgh im an evil villain!!!', and they can be this while still being abhorrent/irredeemable). Also if anything, the trend in making every villain generically 'sympathetic' would prime people to be more lenient and accepting towards villainous characters, expecting to eventually learn the sad story as to why they're like that to retroactively make the character tolerable in this way. I do wonder if some of this stems from 'fandom graduates' getting into the industry, and if these creators are just pre-woobifying their characters kek
My comment was also about protagonists and how the popularity of very simplistic self-insert-based fiction is probably why you so often see people unable to stomach more independent characters, as they turn up expecting a comfy vessel to inhabit and instead find a complex 'person' that engages in more unique actions and might hold views that aren't generally agreeable. You see this with isekai and haremslop loving moids who branch out into normal shows, and women branching out from genres like romance or YA (this isn't a criticism of the latter either, those genres simply abide by certain structures in order to cater to their audiences, so it's very jarring to move on from that to a different structure with a more complex goal). A similar issue that effects both male and female characters is the assumption that 'protagonist' is the exact same thing as 'hero/ine', and that any protagonist is supposed to be a relatable morally pure goodie, rather than the character who propels and navigates the plot (same for antagonist = villain/evil, rather than potentially being neutral opposition to the protag's goals).
What then makes it worse is the assumption that women, and therefore female characters, should be nice, above violence or ugly thoughts, morally superior, passive, serve others, constantly extend empathy to everyone regardless of circumstances, and yet also girlbosses (though never in a way that really steps on anyone's toes or is too domineering or makes the audience feel inadequate in comparison), and let's not even get into requirements for physical appearance. It's a whole mess.
No. 2142747
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old milk but i tried to look up one of my favorite fujo artists (ero_YAPPY2) only to discover she and other jp accounts apparently were the target of a mass report campaign by antis. why are they so fucking annoying man
No. 2142927
>>2142917 gross, maybe because I don't have twitter I was not not really aware of it.
I've seen art of fat and hairy tifs being posted on bad art thread tho, but didn't knew it was common to see.
No. 2142934
>>2142915You have the fake bis, similar to the fake lesbians but they have the will to at least admit they like men publicly instead of pretending they dont and then making their entire fandom personality about men
Then you have the pornsick women who dont even realize they're just straight women
No. 2142941
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>>2142805women are into more things than "bishies" i fear
No. 2143038
>>2142991When are these people going to drop the "being anti fujo is
TERF rhetoric" shit? Even you rounded up every GC and radfem in the world who blame fujos for trannyism they wouldn't make up 1% of all the Tumblr gaydens sperging out about how they're being fetishized by evil straight women. I know for a fact most of these retards know the anti fujo train in 2016-2020 fandoms were pushed by TIFs themselves but it doesn't fit their narrative of TERFs being the root of all of their problems so they conveniently erase it from history. Literally every fucking fujo hate post/comment you'd see back then and even now would start with "as a gay man (straight woman)…"
No. 2143042
>>2142991Why is Diluc husbandoed so hard? He's just a typical ~~brooding~~ rich boy edgelord archetype that's been done to death. He's not even that important lore wise.
When I didn't know that much about Genshin I did saw that people were thirsting for him. When I finally played the game and his story quest I was like: "huhh?? This is the anime boy people were going crazy for? He's so borrinnngg".
I can't be the only who finds his condescending voice annoying, right?
No. 2143050
>>2142991>>2143042My personal tinfoil is that since he's one of the big poster children of ship discourse (kaeluc) he has attracted every edgy and terminally lonely TIF imaginable who thinks the most revolutionary act she can do is concoct endless scenarios of uhhh him getting his omegaverse mermaid pussy meat being sold on the black market or something. It's the only way I can wrap my head around this flavor of autism kek
porn literally fries brains to a crisp it's fascinating to watch
No. 2143059
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>>2143038It's just a way to deflect their guilt. The majority of TERFs don't give a shit that some girls schlick to anime boys assraping each other. Why in the world would they anyway? Why would TERFs care about protecting gay men's feefees if they're offended by some teenage girl's yaoi fanfic? Hell, the majority of gay men don't mind fujos (unless they're cringe to them) at all.
These TIFs know that, deep deeeeep down,
they are the eviiiil cis woman fetishizing sacred male homosexuality—but they're so deep in self-misogyny and cock worship that they'd rather create
TERF boogeywomen than admit the reality… that they're just regular fujos themselves.
They'd probably all have a heart attack if they were to read a millisecond of actual material gays read. Like bara picrel.
No. 2143097
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I hate how popular this person's retarded self-insert TiF "catboy" OC has gotten. You didn't "trick" anyone besides dumbasses who never watched the show, you narcissist. She also gets really angry when people ask her to draw a Fionna and Cake version of the character, because she thinks genderbending her TiF oc is transphobic or whatever. If I cared more, I'd draw a "genderbent" (read: not troon) version myself, but I don't want to use my time that way. Inch resting how the artist's fans seem to dislike Finn's canonical girlfriends (specifically FP and HW) but get excited about someone's shitty OC just because it's a TiF. I'm smelling some misogyny tbh.
I'm kind of scared the troons on the Fionna and Cake staff will see this trash and make it canon, given how fanservicey the show is. No, please no.
No. 2143106
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>>2143102She's 26, and she feeds off every little nugget of attention the character gets. She's made over 400 posts about him on Tumblr alone, and most of them are her getting her fans to brigade various character popularity polls so her OC wins. She also desperately wants him to be canon, and thinks the character being popular with tweens and retards on Tumblr entitles her to give advice on creating OCs. Bitch you literally just made a Marshall Lee recolor and it got popular from people who dislike Huntress Wizard and want Finn to have a yaoi uguu cattranny boifriend instead. She's so high off her own supply, it makes me cringe so hard.
No. 2143110
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>>2143106how the fuck did a literal child drew a better fan character than a 26yo?
No. 2143151
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>>2143150how convenient that the op left out the fact the artist in question drew shotashit…hmm wonder why
No. 2143158
>>2142941You said "fujo", retard
The shit that artist drew was just moidgaze trapshit, there were no actual bishies nor there were any boy x boy couples except for one pic that I could find. The artist isn't a fujo you fucking liar
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>>2143153the artist disagrees.
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>>2143157natsume isnt a shota though?
No. 2143164
>>2143160They're literally drawn just like female characters in hentai, but with no breasts + a dick
So it's just trapshit hentai
No. 2143196
>>2143192pedos are pedos whether they be female or moids.just because you think shota shit content isnt podophilic or
"that bad" doesnt mean the world is blind and cant see you're gooning off to porn of little boys.
No. 2143233
>>2143192I'm convinced there are like, multiple reasons for this.
First, a lot of them are teenagers or adult women with "special needs", so they're more likely to focus on their fandoms ("my special interest") than anything actually important or egregious. Said fandoms tend to be more female-based, and this sort of thing helps them convince themselves that they're not wasting time scrolling through pictures and consooming if they report some accounts. How many of them like Blue Archive (one of dorontabi's fields of interests, according to Google) vs Enstars and the like?
Second, some of them are straight-up envious of larger female artists with more technical skill than themselves. A lot of people who brand themselves "antis" or are sitting in Discord servers organizing mass reports either don't draw at all or don't exactly make the best art/have the highest follower count. It's bothersome to them that these larger artists not only have big followings, but depict
problematic or immoral themes and "get away with it", while they themselves might be less skilled, but follow all the in-group moral tenets (regardless of whether or not they actually believe in them - some of them don't at all, but they pretend for what they view as social benefits) and get much less attention. Taking down those artists' accounts isn't the same as taking away their art skills, convincing them to stop drawing
problematic content or getting rid of their fans, but they do get a thrill out of "punishing" them and their followers.
The last thing is that a lot of them actually take pride in being harsher on women than on men. Many of them have a sort of libfem understanding of gender relations, or are enby/"he him" types. They have this mounting guilt complex in their minds about "the evil feminist/female double standards" and "letting women get away with things", and this is how they plan to prove to all the men drawing/consuming degen shit that they aren't hypocrites. The problem is, the men saying that shit don't care, they never did. They just wanted the "dumb feminazis" to shut up and leave their media alone, and it's worked. Their drive to purge all the women drawing Haikyuu characters fucking or whatever distracts them from the male artists tracing photos of actual children, the groomers in their own community, etc, but the ego boost of being "one of the good ones" and getting an imaginary pat on the head from some coalition of newly-reformed lolicon men who "just wanted those gosh dang feminists to be fair about it!" is too strong.
No. 2143278
>>2143192Have you tried going into their cancel channel and making sure nobody has suggested going after lolicons too?
It'd be cool if somebody questioned them about why they never go after those.
No. 2143279
>>2142991Why are Dilucfags always like this. He's not even that interesting of a character yet he still makes yumes, fujos, hetshippers and everyone else act so stupidly retarded about him.
>>2143042Kek you get it anon.
>>2143038There's a kernel of truth to it however, just look at Lolcow where all the "TERFs" can't stop derailing threads to have a spergfit about yaoi being "a gateway drug to troonery" by "fetishizing gay sex rape", you see this rhetoric on normie gendercrit (which a lot of these people conflate with radical feminism) sites like ovarit and spinster too. Ironically enough this rhetoric usually comes from reformed Aidens turned tradfem who project their own retardation onto others and spread their personal experience as an armchaired one size fits all diagnosis.
No. 2143285
>>2143038Could be the rad leaning himejoshis that they whinge about but again, when compared to TIFs, they're not particularly common nor go out of their way to bully fujos like TIFs do.
>>2143279>Why are Dilucfags always like thisas a former genshit player and diluc main, I don't really get it either. I like how he dresses but his body type combined with his questionable derp face makes me less inclined to simp for him. Him being shipped with kaeya is frankly a crime too. You have the latter implying deep lore in his descriptions and lore with someone who's backstory is le epic edge crap. What's left is a disbalanced ship that antis can use as fuel for when pro/anti slapfights flare up. Dilucfags don't know this so they instead make up headcanons in a bid to make it better than he actually is.
No. 2143294
>>2143285>his body type combined with his questionable derp face makes me less inclined to simp for himNTA, but I always thought Genshit art style was super bland and generic. There's barely any weight or depth to it, but at the same time, the characters are saturated in detail. That's mostly why I don't find the characters physically attractive.
>>2143286This
No. 2143296
>>2143233the cognitive dissonance is strong here so ill break each point
>First, a lot of them are teenagers or adult women with "special needs", so they're more likely to focus on their fandoms ("my special interest") than anything actually important or egregious. Said fandoms tend to be more female-based, and this sort of thing helps them convince themselves that they're not wasting time scrolling through pictures and consooming if they report some accounts. How many of them like Blue Archive (one of dorontabi's fields of interests, according to Google) vs Enstars and the like? its funny how you try to deflect the rightful suspensions of pedophilic or zoophilic content which is banned by the sns tos as the reporters being autistic women who just want to convince themselves that "they're not wasting time"? which sounds alot like your own projection on consuming this kind of content. understanding that shotacon and lolicon perpetuates the continuous real life child sexual exploitation isnt autistic behavior its learned behavior as time and time again real life perpetuators have been found with it thus proving these kind of drawn child porn does encourage both moids and females to commit these acts in real life you can delude all yourself but the crimes are there to prove theres a link,as with zoophilies consuming feral porn who go on to commit these acts in real life
>Second, some of them are straight-up envious of larger female artists with more technical skill than themselves. A lot of people who brand themselves "antis" or are sitting in Discord servers organizing mass reports either don't draw at all or don't exactly make the best art/have the highest follower count. It's bothersome to them that these larger artists not only have big followings, but depict problematic or immoral themes and "get away with it", while they themselves might be less skilled, but follow all the in-group moral tenets (regardless of whether or not they actually believe in them - some of them don't at all, but they pretend for what they view as social benefits) and get much less attention. Taking down those artists' accounts isn't the same as taking away their art skills, convincing them to stop drawing problematic content or getting rid of their fans, but they do get a thrill out of "punishing" them and their followers. so they report pedos because theyre jealous of their skill?
so they report accounts that depict child rape because they're secretly jealous of the pedophiles skill and follower count(as if pedos dont seek these accounts and boost them )…ok and not because the content disgusts them and again goes
against the guidelines for the social media site? you sound alot like lolicons who try to insists people calling them pedos are pedos themselves.japan has a lax laws on cp and drawn cp so is it any surprise these degenerates have large followings? and news flash alot of people are pedophiles
>The last thing is that a lot of them actually take pride in being harsher on women than on men. Many of them have a sort of libfem understanding of gender relations, or are enby/"he him" types. They have this mounting guilt complex in their minds about "the evil feminist/female double standards" and "letting women get away with things", and this is how they plan to prove to all the men drawing/consuming degen shit that they aren't hypocrites. The problem is, the men saying that shit don't care, they never did. They just wanted the "dumb feminazis" to shut up and leave their media alone, and it's worked. Their drive to purge all the women drawing Haikyuu characters fucking or whatever distracts them from the male artists tracing photos of actual children, the groomers in their own community, etc, but the ego boost of being "one of the good ones" and getting an imaginary pat on the head from some coalition of newly-reformed lolicon men who "just wanted those gosh dang feminists to be fair about it!" is too strong.the cognitive dissonance is so fucking strong here. so lolicon is bad but shotacon isnt? yet they both are of side of the same coin. are you really advocating that its all ok if the one drawing child rape is a woman since she wont attempt those crimes !! totally but shes still making art for pedophile moids who commit those acts shes totally innocent guiz!!
No. 2143302
>>2143296>deflectNope, no one's saying those artists don't exist. The weird thing is your fixation on the ones in your fandom alone when all of Twitter has become a cesspool of actual content of that nature. The only thing you care about is your unique, niche fandom, so that makes it less believable that the topic itself is all that concerning to you.
>so they report pedos because theyre jealous of their skill? blah blah blahStrawmanning and taking offense doesn't actually change what was said, it's pretty clear what that actually reads. This isn't Twitter or Discord where the most upset person wins.
>the cognitive dissonance is so fucking strong here. so lolicon is bad but shotacon isnt? yet they both are of side of the same coin. are you really advocating that its all ok if the one drawing child rape is a woman since she wont attempt those crimes !! totally but shes still making art for pedophile moids who commit those acts shes totally innocent guiz!!See above. This is just retarded kek. You keep replying to people's posts that actually have thought put into them with weird accusations and claims that they said x when nothing is even similar. It's like you hope no one will actually read what's being said.
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>>2143285i like to ship kaeya with girls to piss them off
>B-BUT HE'S FOR MEN ONLY!!cry about it
No. 2143309
>>2143296Why are twitterfags unable of thinking beyond black and white? its very obvious they are going for shotafag women because they know lolifag moids have rabid fans and they are actually afraid of them. They also dont go only for shotafags, they target women who draw incest or
toxic ships between bishies. Its clearly not about getting rid of pedos, its just about moralfagging because they are vendettafagging. There are also tons of women like Null who draw heinous shit, including pedophilia and female abuse, and these anti crussaders never go against her either because they obviously just care about their shitty little fandoms.
No. 2143310
>>2143296NTA but I don't think that anon is doing a whataboutism to defend shotacons, at all. Come on, I think you're missing the point of her post.
She's saying there's reasons why those girls are mostly exclusively going after female pedos, instead of targeting both male and female ones. She is not saying that the female artists who are being targeted aren't pedos or should not be judged at all. You're getting mad at the wrong person.
No. 2143324
>>2143233I don't think it's anything more complex than people traditionally expecting "better" from women due to female socialization relying so much on valuing social tactfulness. A woman drawing
problematic art is going to evoke a more visceral reaction because people aren't prepared to see women being into things considered messed up, while a male pedo is just another Tuesday and something to be expected. Doesn't justify the difference in intensity of the reactions though, it's just blackpilling to realize that men being pedos is so common and to be expected that people don't even care about a moid posting loli guro obviously made as someone's sexual fetish but will take out the pitchforks for a woman drawing basically whatever.
>>2143285And it's not just women who were weird about Diluc, men self inserted into him like crazy too when he was the blandest male character in the game for a long while with his stupid Batman bit.
No. 2143382
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I just don't get the appeal of genshin impact, it's just slightly less detailed zelda botw gameplay (with gacha mechanics) told with characters with absolutely no depth
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>>21434145 year olds who eat all their fruits and vegetables clearly kek
>>2143407To be fair, genshin
was pretty unique for the gacha scene when it was first released because it had actual gameplay and a nice aesthetic, even if they were ripped off from BOTW kek. It's only redundant now because the company refuses to adapt and everything else ripped it off. I'm saying that as someone who has never played it btw.
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>>2143442>why do anime characters need noses? to breathe
No. 2143562
>>2143441>I don't play it Well, there you go. How would you understand the appeal if you haven't touched the entire game and only base your opinion on the vast global fanbase? It's moidlike behavior to try and have an educated opinion on something that you have absolutely no experience doing despite it being readily available to try.
>>2143419Genshin seems so lackluster today specifically because everyone else started doing what it was doing. When it first released there was no way I could return to my previous shitty low-quality PNG collector gachas, literally no other game had combined high quality action adventure and open world elements with gacha and the BOTW rip-off accusations were always fishy because the mechanics they claimed it ripped off have existed in other open world games for decades. It was a game that raised the bar with its production value and denying that is petty contrarianism.
No. 2143587
>>2143562anon I was saying that I
do get the appeal and don't see how it's any more egregious than other similar media when it comes to the appearances of the characters (the same model thing is likely just to save resources- it's a multi-platform game and needs to be able to run on a lot of different hardware). I also understand the potential appeal of the gameplay, I just didn't mention it because I was talking about how most bishie/waifu designs are same-y. I have eyes, I don't need to sink any playtime into a game to be able to see any of this and how others might enjoy it, even if gacha is not for me. Calm down kek
No. 2143594
>>2143402>Surprisingly dark twists and plot elements amongst the fun fantasy aesthetic such as the latest region having an entire plotline about child traffickingI haven't played Genshin in years, but I remember always finding the writing abysmal, so I never understand people playing Genshin for the story.
I dropped it around the time you get to the Sumeru desert, because people kept going on about how great it was and how it was so much better than Inazuma yet I still fucking hated it so I realized that I was wasting time waiting for the story to eventually get good and I should just drop it. If you try to tell me it gets better in Fontaine I will NOT believe you. Have Genshinfags never played/watched/read anything else in their lives? I feel like it would be very easy to find something much better. I feel that people claiming to enjoy the story are either 14, waifu/husbandufags pretending to be smarter than they are, or worldbuilding turbo autists that read every single object description + in world book + listen to every single character audio and then piece together their own backstory inside their heads.
>The female characters are ugly and written like ass.Which is the majority of the cast kek, but the moids they are made for wouldn't care about that.
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>>2143629A lot of the FE games scratch the same itch imo. FE3H is really noob-friendly. The Persona games are also good, so long as you have a Playstation. Neon White is a really awesome indie title. I'm basing these recommendations on the assumption that you want a pretty action game with lots of hot anime characters kek.
No. 2143798
>>2143442Characters like Mickey Mouse aren't meant to be fuckable, retard
>anime inspiredAre you like 15? Genshit IS anime/manga style.
And being anime style doesn't mean the human characters that are supposed to be fuckable should lack basic human features such as noses kek. As if the hundreds of anime and manga works produced in the past and to this day where the characters have clearly defined noses didn't exist. Characters not having that as a default only became popular recently.
The hair being blue of course isn't anything new, that anon was just taking the piss out of you.
>>2143404I blame social media. It's designed to get people to click endlessly, and so people do whatever it takes to generate more clicks.
>>2143397Being female doesn't automatically make her shit hentai BL. Try posting that crap in the BL thread and see if any fujo considers it "BL".
>women are into things you aren’tNever said anything against this, but this doesn't make her art BL, it's just hentai for moids made by a porn-addicted woman.
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I thought the creation of two other fucking threads was supposed to stop the fujo sperging bs.
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>>2143990Everyone with taste knows that Sheith was superior>>2143304It legitimately pissed me off when the fandom cried about
Allura's fate and started moralising/inciting ship wars about it as if the Klancers hadn't been seething about her and wanting her to be
killed off since the start of the show. Don't get me wrong,
her death WAS nonsensical bullshit but they had no right to act so self righteous kek.
>>2143307The problem with Genshin's character design is that most of the characters are so cluttered they become boring and amorphous, plus there isn't much thought put into the details. Like picrel, genuinely what the fuck is going on here. There's also one pink-haired girl whose braids are TIED TO HER HAIR ACCESSORIES instead of just growing out of her head for some reason kek
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>>2144023You're right nona, this is the one kek
No. 2144035
>>2144031I actually like silly fake hair extensions generally, ngl.
It's an eccentric look.
No. 2144039
>>2144020You are correct. He got replaced with a new one.
Funny considering the amount of alleged groomers still getting work in the industry.
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Is the drama just as crazy for fandoms that aren’t Asian stuff or cartoons in general? Like, is getting off to real people more “normie” and therefore less chaotic or have I just been lucky so far?
Genuinely don’t know as I’m currently getting all of my fanfic from long dead livejournals circa 2003.
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>>2144227I don't think it's that uncommon where that is the case.
No. 2144612
>>2143304Based. He may be a shit character meta wise, but I husbandoed him the moment he walked in.
I'm also one of the Diluc haters, maybe I hate Diluc because I can't stand him being shipped with Kaeya—and not because of "muh incest" either, I really don't like him, kek.
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>>2143308Probably more accurate to say that kaelucfags are klancefags but funny observation.
>>2143304Remember when he flirted with the traveller in early mondstadt arc? 2024 Hoyoverse would never, kek. CN moids would start shitting it up the walls if they even tried.
>>2143382Many glaze over the point I'm about to make since most people only know genshin by it's retarded character designs, but once you actually open the game and start playing, the world inside can be beautiful. Very beautiful. It's easy to lose hours by aimlessly wandering about, completing puzzles and stabbing random enemies. But, inevitably, people spend so long roaming around as X character that they form weird attatchments to the cast when 99% of them are soulless cash grabs with no personality.
No. 2144891
>>2143278 NTA but I genuinely believe they're cowards too scared to go after lolicons which is why they don't do it. As a woman you'll get doxxed, harassed and stalked by unhinged scrote lolicons if you do. Think about someone like Shadman, he was literally unstoppable and
mainstream because he was rubbing shoulders with the most prolific male creators ever despite angering Keemstar (by drawing porn of his daughter no less) and was defended by the hordes of male degenerates tooth and nail and they're EVERYWHERE, even the artist salt thread is notoriously infested with scrotes who will unconditionally cape for pedo artists. The only reason he ever had a downfall was because he got way too much into drugs and started alienating his influential friends by getting arrested and having psychotic meltdowns.
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>>2143413responding from the other fandom thread, while ugly men crossdressing has been a joke in japanese media for a while, if a young boy is crossdressing, he is almost always depicted as 'more beautiful then the girls' (even though irl, estrogen-taking young tims talk being considered extremely masculine, even when no one even knew know they were biologically male). so I find it refreshing that mob is still depicted like a regular boy
No. 2145098
>>2145085>he is almost always depicted as 'more beautiful then the girlsDidnt that character have a female twin that looked exactly the same?
I thought it was just a disguise so he wouldn't get assassinated.
No. 2145166
>>2144730But… i never said that. I'm precisely against using moids as a rhetorical hammer. It's interesting that 'misogynistic degrading BS' (a pretty clear concept with many concrete examples) has turned into 'appeals to moids' for some, so they can shove anything they don't like in there since it's a vague concept. That's exactly what tumblr retards were doing with '
problematic' accusations, i'm just surprised to this logic surviving on LC of all places. The anon i was replying to did just that, bringing up moids when she could have been honest about her feelings re: shotacon (or really any other genre, it's not just about shota). She could have argued that it's repellent, distasteful, insulting. But this is also about defending retards witch-hunting a woman over drawings, so she had to bring up an imaginary male audience to give some weight to her point. If she said 'i think this woman is about to molest someone!!' everyone would laugh.
>>2145011Kek right
>>2143233Great analysis.
>some of them are straight-up envious of larger female artists with more technical skill than themselvesI really think this is the core reason. So many women are actually incapable of seeing another woman doing better in some area and looking up to her, wishing they were more like her and turning envy into a motivating force. They have internalized feminine competition to such a degree that the only way they relate to similar women is through venomous envy or moralfagging because they don't want or can't compete with people on artistic/technical grounds. The fact that they're almost always gendies is just another clue pointing to their absolute lack of female solidarity, they can't even conceptualize themselves as women, much less relate positively to them.
No. 2145196
>>2144494most fandoms for non anime/cartoon media (that isnt music) are full of normies that have an actual life outside of their tv show obsession, so drama is rare. I've noticed they tend to stay more within their circles, or use specialized forums for their shows.
like at worse you'll see some shipping bs between people but nowhere near what it is with cartoons with how people doxx each other over drawings.
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this isn't really fandom discourse (i guess) but whafags act as like they've never read another manga before, i'm predicting that the fandom will be even more pretentious and annoying once the actual anime drops…then again i just checked op's profile and it's a she/they opmfag so this very well may be one of her first "slightly off the beaten path" series lol
No. 2146335
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>>2145085even just from your example demon slayer also did the poorly crossdressing joke with younger boys. it’s not rare
No. 2146445
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>>2145167>>2145190>checks thread>more tumblr/tiktok tourists seething about shotaEverytime. When will women unlearn their moralfaggotry? Did you grow up in a christcuck household as well?
(infighting) No. 2146521
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>>2146445you irl
(infight bait) No. 2146643
>>2146521This was 100% posted by a desister or detransitioned, couldn’t be me
>>2146551>>2146621“DURR DURR DA EBIL FUJOS TRAMPLED ON MY MALEDOM HETSHIT”
(infighting) No. 2146713
>>2146655Not my fault your parents are retarded and didn't monitor your internet access, no one groomed you into liking yaoi, nor are you a
victim.
No. 2146757
>>2146713it's gotta be autism
>>2146718it's true she did
No. 2146830
>>2146655Ironically, they probably read the most blatant
toxic heterosexual romance but the "woman" is a barely disguised as a male
(fujosperging) No. 2147394
>>2146493Oh lord prepare for the retarded “omg this is so better than Harry Potter-“ posts. I’ve seen it happen in a limited amount with shit like Mashle. I really hate the perception of anything which or wizardly being immediately linked to Potter, it’s like these guys have never seen any magical world fiction besides that. I wanna believe I’m just tinfoiling here but the signs are already there for a SU tier kind of fandom. Mark my words.
>>2146493>The Witch Hat spergs were already harping on the plebian masses for praising the quality of Dungeon Meshi's manga too much. Are you serious?
>>2147226I think I agree with you, I like the black haired girl and the inventor girl but I just couldn’t force myself to keep reading it. I’m gonna try again because I’m intrigued by the story somewhat and the world building (the magic is simple but really cool too) but it’s a slow burn. It’s normal for monthly manga I guess.
No. 2147421
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>>2147394Tbf Mashle was intentionally just one punch man Harry Potter.
There was absolutely nothing else going for it but that.
That being said, there's been other magical school anime that have basically been ignored english wise due to being too isekai coded.
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>>2147421>ignored english wise due to being too isekai codedGood. That genre is so saturated, it needs to die. It's been bastardized too much. We need to retvrn.
No. 2147463
>>2147421>Tbf Mashle was intentionally just one punch man Harry Potter. >There was absolutely nothing else going for it but that.That’s definitely true but like you said on your second point, it was also just some forgettable OPM parody but magic and boring writing.
>That being said, there's been other magical school anime that have basically been ignored english wise due to being too isekai coded.Are those reincarnation based or just happen to take place in a generic magic world that looks similar to isekai slop?
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>>2147460Reject modernity
No. 2147711
>>2147509I was reading a slash fic once and during a sex scene, one dude called the other dude's penis a "clitty." Like a fucking Reddit troon. I was so disgusted I wanted to slap the author. It was a really well-written fic otherwise, too, so it's like you're listening to a good song that someone spliced two seconds of Nickelback into. Fuck my life.
>>2147509Same. I only like tender vanilla stuff. I generally find that the more fetish-y the sex in a fic is, the more OOC the writing is likely to be, because the writer is more focused on fetish archetypes than on depicting the characters properly. Awkward, somewhat bad sex is underutilized as a writing tool, because frankly, the first sexual encounter in a new relationship is going to be awkward, and it's a good opportunity to explore what the characters are like. I'm so sick of boiler-plate, porny sex in fics where the characters are otherwise inexperienced and socially awkward.
No. 2148323
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>>2145098the idea that cross-dressing males looking better than women isn't exclusively a japanese phenomenon, I see this sentiment online with porn-sick westerners as well. It's often driven by misogyny, pseudo-bisexuality and barely disused paedophilia
No. 2148475
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It's so funny that polyfags don't have a single attractive person in their ranks, so they resort to hc'd fictional characters or real-life humans as being poly
No. 2148591
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>>2148582Nope. People took some ship teasing and ran with it There was one book in one series that showed a layout of bedrooms and Jean's, Wolverine's and Scott's were all next to each other and connected and the series had some Wolverine/Jean ship teasing. People took both of those and ran with it.
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RIP TO AGGREGATOR READERS
No. 2148597
>>2148572I've seen the xmen one a fair bit, so I could see someone legitimately shipping them as an ot3, but what you said and/or using a fairly vague canon female character to self insert into the ship between two male characters (rather than self-inserting into one of the guys, they find both males and their dynamic/ship attractive and use a female character as an in without breaking up the ship itself– eg haven't been into tf for aeons but elita-1 [pink] isn't even that popular as one of the female robots, but Optimus and Megatron are a massive ship) is a pretty common reasoning behind threesome shipping.
>>2148576I'm not into Naruto, but even I've seen it in passing. Maybe it's a more recent thing? Some other fandoms I've been in have had small factions that 'resolve' ship wars by just shipping a trio, some more genuine about it and others being weird and performative, of course.
Personally, I don't mind ot3s sometimes if the characters have a good dynamic/chemistry or if it's portrayed well/is just horny wish fulfilment. It's just fiction and has nothing to do with real life poly nonsense (unless it's by one of those people who likes to turn fandom into a psa opportunity and peddle all the stupid poly terminology etc)
No. 2148603
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>>2148582>>2148591this reminds me, there was some troon storyboard artist working on star vs and he sneaked in this reference to "trans girl marco" where someone holds a princess marco doll with the troon flag colors. now, this was caught and not even animated, but gender specials basically treat this as canon proof that marco was always meant to be trans, now anytime there's a discussion about him you were be flooded with comments from young, naive female fans and adult male troons proclaiming stuff like "those cowards" or "transgirl marco is canon" and then posting rule34
No. 2148657
>>2148630This just convinces men that if they want to be pretty they need to turn into girls.
Just let it go. "Women being always pretty" in of itself forces am expectation on women to be pretty and men either not give a shit about skin care or Troon out.
No. 2148805
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>>2148630This is not the feminist take you think it is. Reinforcing the standard of ‘women are more beautiful than men’ is retarded when you consider that women have been conditioned into wearing makeup, exercising, and keeping clean in the time that it takes moids to wipe their ass once and start doing productive tasks for the day. The only reason men are generally ‘uglier’ is because that descriptor is constantly parroted as immutable fact instead of holding scrotes to higher expectations like they do for us.
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what is it about this game that attracts the anti typology? they’re usually fat, white, ugly and “queer”. every time i see someone talking about it and they’re using their face as a pfp (or streaming) it’s always some lardass person of gender with blue hair.
No. 2148956
>>2148943i don’t know what else to call that specific type of soulless npc. they squeal at everything they’re taught to squeal at (ai, corpos,
problematic content that isn’t gay old man yaoi cannibalism) then proceed to happily consume slop that looks like it was ai generated by a corpo, e.g. fields of mistria, obviously poorly aping sailor moon’s art style (which normies think was the standard for 80’s anime) and stardew valley for a cash grab
No. 2148958
>>2148933It's a cozy wholesome farming sim. Not that hard to see why people like it.
>>2148943>>2148954It's the fandom discussion thread. What did you expect
No. 2148959
>>2148954NTA but its literally in the OP
Current topics include, but are not limited to:
> Proshipping vs Antishipping No. 2149052
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Voltron. It was always Voltron. Voltron Legendary Defender has always been ground zero for modern day fandom discourse, specifically pro vs. antis. It used to signify if someone was "proshaladin" or "antishaladin" meaning they shipped the character Shiro with any other of the main paladin characters, and it was only seen as problamatic because some voice actors randomly spitballed his age as "20-ish" during a q&a panel. Once the show ended, these antishaldins, now referring to themselves as "antis," spread to other fandoms, bringing with them their psychotic, puritanical, antisocial behavior, cultivating an environment where bullying, death threats, and doxxing were widespread. To this day, not only fandoms but average people on the internet are experiencing the aftershock of this cultural zeitgeist but few even remember its origins and how fans failed to cull this behavior. The Voltron fandom and its consequences have been a disaster for fandom.
No. 2149059
>>2149052I'd argue that the
groundwork for
toxic modern fandoms got started with Supernatural, but yeah, Voltron refined it and unleashed radioactive hell kek
No. 2149075
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>>2149059I think the Homestuck fandom also deserves some credit for starting all the diverse headcanon crap. I never saw this kind of stuff before the Homestuck fandom existed.
No. 2149087
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>>2149076Yeup, I remember it all. These days, it's gotten so bad that ultra-woke zoomies on TardTok have started stealing old Homestuck fanart and recoloring it to be more diverse. People (often ones who never read the comic) will literally go after you now for daring to draw the kids white. It's goddamn ridiculous.
No. 2149092
>>2149080Yes, even to this day they'll deny it to hell and back that the reason they draw the things they do is because they've internalized "ugly = virtuous" and to them, ugliness is being dark skinned… completely blind to just how racist that is compared to "lack of representation" that they whine about. Please tell us why you think the only
valid representation of dark skinned people is when they are ugly.
No. 2149121
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>>2149092A lot of this is driven by overcompensation as well. these people (from my irl experiences) are very 'culturally white' meaning they are exactly the same as any other white liberal and have trouble fitting in with people of their own ethnicity, so they overcompensate a lot and end up creating self-racial caricatures
see the characters from "validate", the creators don't get that unless an art style is trying to be hyper realistic most 2d drawn characters don't look like actual human beings, especially characters in anime/anime-inspired styles
No. 2149236
>>2149052i wonder if the farmers that screech about x thing in fiction being ""pedoshit"" understand they only think that way because of this one line, right here, propagated and parroted by other retards. prior to vld yes fandom was wild west "don't like don't read" and if klantis weren't so assmad about sheith btfo'ing their ship in every category and didn't start the pearl clutching moral brigade online fandom would've been much different…
that said i also think twitter had a large part in it, specifically the todokaras stuff. she was disgusting because she a disgusting person, not because she happened to latch onto a cartoon incest ship, but a lot of people did not understand it and had never encountered a freak of that level before
No. 2149241
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>>2149121As a non-American black person, this fugly woke brown character trend is so grating. Not to sound corny but I truly believe that all ethnic features from around the world can look ‘beautiful’ in their own, objective way, decentralised from European standards. But that doesn’t mean making
POC women look butt ugly. It means looking at reference pictures and extracting that ethnic group’s unique brand of beauty as inspiration. I’m tired of white, western troons making racist caricatures of us in order to feel better about themselves and their surgically botched appearances. All women (regardless of race) deserve to have our features complimented after all the self-hating psyop we have to deal with on a daily basis. (Picrel: Mel has my messy brows and bone structure, which never fails to cheer me up a little!)
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>>2149166Don't forget the discourse about Pidge's gender which even involved slapfights with her voice actress (who to be fair was also a retard kek)
> Hurr durr girl disguising herself as a boy for like 3 episodes to sneak back into the school she was expelled from is OBVIOUSLY a troon!! No. 2149282
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>>2149241I agree, but it depends on the style, the semi-realism of arcane allows and requires putting in human facial complexities, my point was that anime characters drawn in one of the "default" manga styles can never represent actual human races. Take Yoruichi from bleach for e.g, Since her debut, western fans have debated whether sh's black or Indian, but she was always meant to be just a dark-skinned Japanese woman and this happens a lot with character's who are simply meant to be dark-skinned Japanese/ryukyuan people
No. 2149303
>>2149295Probably just one of those things where you hear it repeated so often you just assume it's true.
>>2149286It was honestly so retarded even for tumblr gendie drama. Like I said, her themby voice actress got involved in slapfights about it and was essentially bullied by the fandom for…some reason? I think there was a schmism between the they/thems and the troons kek
No. 2149312
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>>2149282I personally disagree, a lot of manga artists are influenced by Western media as much as you eastern purists don’t really want to admit, they don’t live in bubbles unaware of black people ever since post-WW2 there were external efforts to “Americanize” the Japanese, which probably explains why there were small movements of hiphop and rap from Japan and notably 80s jpop with funk-influences, funk was a genre predominantly influenced by black Americans. I think she’s not Japanese and I don’t blame anybody for finding her a different ethnicity, she does not look like this and even the darkest of ryukyuan people don’t look
that dark. You’re being ridiculous, who really gives a fuck imagine being that distracted about a character’s skintone when there’s a bunch of giant monsters and fighting on the screen
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>>2149312nta, I think you're right but yoruichi isn't supposed to be ikinawan either, she's actually meant to be indian, cause just like in the west they also had a significant hippie influence with a fascination with india which reconnected japanese culture with a few old japanese legends of indian saints travelling to japan and teaching 'secret wisdom' you can pretty much always tell when a character is supposed to be indian inspired if they have dark skin and purple hair
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>>2149282>>2149312Don't let yoruichis skin tone distract you from aizens bare chest
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>>2149341Nah that's just his clothes, as you can see he's more snatched here
No. 2149350
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>>2149341Maybe Byakuya's more your type
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>>2149353BASED, I want to rim his chest hole while he shudders
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>>2149291I think western fanartists make some anime characters as dark as black Americans because they don't see pale East Asians as adequately "
POC-looking." They want to virtue-signal how diverse their art is, but they can't do that when white and Asian characters typically look identical in anime, simply because of the limitations of the art style when it comes to facial features.
No. 2149587
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>>2149499NTA but that's Mel from Arcane
No. 2149604
>>2149052as much as ship wars have always existed within fandom, i think the build up to supernatural's finale and the eventual ending concurring with covid quarantine really melted a lot of brains. destiel shippers were so convinced their ship would be canonized in literal fanfiction coffee shop AU manner in the actual show that it basically caused mass psychosis. seeing their favorite ship and self insert character get thrown out the window right before the end really blew up the animosity between destiel and wincest shippers, a ship war that of course lends itself perfectly to the pro vs anti discourse. anyway my point is that a lot of the moral grandstanding that has now become the norm is just ship wars in disguise and in a lot of fandoms it's completely nonsensical, like voltron which seemingly lacks any
problematic-ness among its popular ships so fans have to move the goalpost for what counts as a "
problematic" ship to take down the ones they don't like/ones that rival their own prefered ship.
No. 2149631
>>2149604Its so frustrating because all this retardation used be funnelled into
fun autism where shippers would write screeds breaking down every interaction of a pair and do crazy research to justify why their ship was best and now they just default to boring tired proanti shit. Not only did this moralfagging destroy fandoms at a fundamental level, it also just made them straight up boring.
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>>2148481>straight women >liking dimorphic features no we don't + go back
No. 2149797
>>2149052My then girlfriend was REALLY into Voltron while I hated it so I learned everything through listening to her yap about it. She actually got so fucking upset over something that happened in the show that she wanted to kill herself and that was when I knew I was going to break up with her, we were both in our late 20's at that point too. Like what the fuck was it about that show that made people go insane? It should be studied, I honestly can't figure it out. The fandom kept leaking into stuff I liked too and the Klancefags were the kind of borderline homophobic antis who wanted two cute teenage boys being cute with no icky adults doing icky adult stuff and that's why they saw Sheith as a pedophilic ship, but Sheithfags themselves were perpetual
victims who instead of just ignoring Klancefags and their bullshit kept getting into more and more slapfights with them.
I would've laughed at it all, but the ripples of that culture war are still felt in literally every fandom ever and now your options are either male-dominated coomershit spaces filled with pedos, unironical nazis and white supremacists or the female-dominated fandoms that are carrying on the Voltron legacy with aggressive americentric identity politics. I'm glad I'm ESL so I can at least withdraw to my native circles but naturally they're much smaller than the global audience, but it's still the best bet that I have.
No. 2149801
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>>2149282I would agree but you’re overestimating the levels of style tweaking needed to indicate a certain race, which is probably the effect of being forced to look at loud gendie caricatures of
POC rather than neutral/subtle depictions. For example, a simple anime-esque black person only needs a shadowed lip, dark skin and (optional) curly/puffy hair.
No. 2149830
Please don't make fun of me but I wasn't aware that twitter fandoms were usually very active.
>>2149241She's so pretty honestly I wish she becomes more relevant in S2. I feel like she was such an underrated character or wasn't appreciated by fans but they probably just had a hard time slotting her.
Arcane is just a masterclass at character design
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stan would absolutely scam money out of these idiots
No. 2149855
>>2149840glad i'm not the only one who hates this shit kek. i found picrel on a colleague's art twitter page. gotta love that both drawings have a signature stamped front and centre because god forbid these people aren't in the spotlight for a minute. can you imagine actually being a
victim of the conflict and seeing some white tif draw this crap about you.
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>>2149282Tbh I think Americans are just racist in a very specific way that Japanese and other people aren't really. Japanese viewers have no problem seeing picrel and saying "This is a Japanese person". They can also be white if that's what the story calls for, but it's not a point of argument and no one gets mad about "realism". It's just kind of whatever.
For Americans, a character can't be Asian, black, Indian or anything other than white unless there's slanted eyes, giant lips, a giant nose, etc and their hair/eyes have to be dark brown or black. Only white people are allowed to be mostly eyes and random/nondescript lines for mouth and nose, and they're also allowed any hair/eye color (even ones humans don't have). Both black and white Americans do this and spend forever trying to gaslight about it. I think a lot of white American weebs just kind of begrudgingly accepted characters without "stereotypical/racially coded" features being Japanese after exposure, but they still try to argue about it sometimes (especially if they're the more overtly racist type). It's weird.
I don't think Yoruichi's race was defined other than her name being Japanese, but she was portrayed with an afro for an ED, so it's most likely that she
can be (just like a blond/blue eyed anime girl
can be white), but it's not a huge deal. Like, it shouldn't be a fight.
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>>2149870Samefag, I've noticed people don't really argue about Kaname Tousen from Bleach being "black". I've never seen an argument crop up from someone calling him "black" randomly. Is that because of their "default" hairstyles, or is it that people just sperg more about race with female characters?
No. 2149874
>>2149870Japanese people (and neighboring countries) is a wild example to use considering they literally
want to be white due to their own complexes historically.
No. 2149878
>>2149874I brought up Japanese people because I was talking about anime. Despite their history, I don't think they "literally want to be white". Otherwise, their beauty standard wouldn't be based around the typical pale skin/black hair/dark eyes/slim bodies, and Japanese people with naturally lighter brown hair wouldn't traditionally have gotten accused of dying their hair to be "rebellious". They do have an admiration for European people and culture, but there's a difference between that and wanting to be white.
South Korea (a neighboring country) is kind of a different story, though.
No. 2149883
>>2149874as someone who watches a lot of asian media, the ideal in east asia isn't white, it's half white people, this isn't just my observation, sociologists have written about it in great detail, noting that the ideal japanese/korean/chinese is specifically someone with an asian father and a white mother
like in japan halfu actors are incredibility over-represented in media, though only the half white one's(and sometimes half middle eastern one's)
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22/asia/japan-mixed-roots-hafu-dst-hnk-intl/index.html No. 2149919
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>>2149241I honestly think the problem stems from female socialization. Men have been drawing ugly fat characters since forever, and no one has a problem with it. People love uncle ruckus, for example. The problem is society has been drilling into little girls brains since forever that most of their worth comes from being perceived attractive by society. So, while men draw ugly male characters naturally, as their worth was never based on their looks, these women had to rewire their brain to draw ugly characters. The biggest problem, however, comes from the fact these women are mostly underage and retarded, so they havent completly unprogrammed their brains from basing their self worth on being desired by moids. So, instead of just drawing ugly characters and letting people decide if they like them or not, they start moralfagging and expecting you to find their morbidly obese vitiligo ocs attractive.
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>>2149956I remember this. The creator of this said she was meant to be an Indigenous Brazilian, but he ended up calling her "Latina" (as a name) because an AI chatbot told him it was one of the "most common names" for women from that region of the world. It's probably too late to change the name, and I've seen a bunch of Latin-American weebs start to claim her. I somehow doubt the intricacies of her background will turn out to be a huge deal in the story, though, just seems like "Uhhh I love dark-skinned big booba women". It'll be annoying if people start claiming she either needs to have "realistic Indigenous features" or "look like actual dark-skinned latinas" either way and that just having dark skin doesn't "count", but it seems like that sort of insistence mainly happens with characters intended or guessed to be black, so maybe it won't.
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>>2149969>I can’t think of any other Asian medium except animu where a rando fully Asian nip will have blonde hair and green eyesBut like, does it matter? It's a cartoon, and they're just colors. The designs are meant to be eye-catching and visually diverse, not historical documents.
No. 2149998
>>2149978>Jewish-codedHe
is Jewish. Just non-practicing according to Alex.
No. 2150008
>>2149870>>2149969>>2149996I think the problem is when a medium refers to a place/country/time/ethnic group from the real world.
People then apply real life logic to a medium which is inherently irrational.
If somebody would make a manga about medieval Japan with Samurais, but then they have Mechas, everybody has blond/red/green hair and blue/green eyes, most people would be put off because they would do comparison to the IRL Japan of our world.
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>>2150008>most people would be put off because they would do comparison to the IRL Japan of our world.I think that most people would consider that
normal for manga or anime by now, because no one one truly compares it to the real world. Like, no one really thinks medieval Japan had mechas, that teenage boys are getting isekai'd daily, or that Japanese people naturally have green hair and eyes bigger than their noses IRL. It's not dissimilar to how The Simpsons are meant to be a white family, but they're all yellow, the children have weird pointy heads, and the mom has blue hair. It's just a cartoon, they can kind of look like (or do) anything.
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Can someone explain wtf happened with this show? It got cancelled and I've been subjected to horrid posts. I try to avoid the star wars fandom as much as I can, and as far as I'm concerned, the people who keep taking on these "geek" properties hate the fans this is just based on observation.
How true is the "it got cancelled because of woke", it looks like it got cancelled for just not being a good show and it didn't have any fanservice like the the previous shows. The only original thing that stuck around or was well received was another show I don't remember it's name but the director for Rogue One is involved.
No. 2150085
>>2150084I saw somewhere that the season cost more than Dune 2 like that’s mind boggling to me
The actors are all literal who’s.
> acolyte was an attempt to market to a female and diverse audience How? The only praise I saw was from reylo fans who feel like they’re getting their fix
I’m sorry i just stayed away from the show I have no idea what happens in it. I’m trying to understand because I refuse to believe that some shitty youtuber got the show cancelled
No. 2150093
>>2150085>some shitty youtuber got the show cancelledyeah doubt it– for whatever reason, blaming '
toxic fans' or 'the haters' has become the go-to during the disney star wars era whenever a misstep is made (such as giving the reins to people who'd clearly rather be working on their own ip/don't like something about star wars/the fans), which imo just comes across as pathetic deflection. People just want fun space adventures that obey the setting's established rules, lore, and tone, it shouldn't be hard to keep them happy (the expanded universe shit managed to for decades, after all).
I get when smaller creators lash out at their work's reception like that, or even when individual creators snap after dealing with a deranged fanbase, but it's weirdly pathetic and petty to see from a media juggernaut like disney
No. 2150097
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>>2150093reminds me of when jelloapocalypse was commissioned to do an official dub and be basically changed the entire story and insulted both the original work and it's creator
>Many of you probably already know this about me, but I am a romantic and love writing Actual Good Romance (tm) because nobody else on earth seems to know how to do it.>Frankly, having the dub come out this good in the end is a little frustrating. Anyone who watched this show as a kid and has fond memories of it and revisits the dub will think "Wow! It's just as good as I remembered!" No it isn't. We made it good. This show SUCKED!!!>I'm very, very proud of the work we did. I think we turned an unremarkable and frustrating 3/10 show into a pretty funny and mostly watchable 7/10. I want to show off what we did! However, I don't really want to recommend that people watch LoveCom in order to see it.>This is one of those series that was written by a very strange person, kinda like 50 Shades of Grey, and it just gets stranger and stranger the longer you look into it. The way all the characters talk and interact is wrong. The way Risa is painted as the good guy despite makes exclusively bad decisions makes everything feel like it's written by a woman with "I HATE drama!!!" in her Twitter bio and then five separate callout tweets right below it. You get the sense the author sees the world the same way Risa Koizumi does, and Risa Koizumi as a character only makes sense if she is a psychopath who does not understand human empathy.>"Of note: the Mangaka also makes a cameo in the final episode of the anime. She shows up as a fashion designer and everybody praises how pretty and talented she is. She then tells Risa "Its my job to make you look good!">I think you failed, ma'am.>Lenti was the head writer on this and all their decisions were final, but I did tell them that if we didn't cut the characters praising the mangaka out of the episode in our dub, I would quit the co-writing position on the spot." No. 2150106
>>2150098>Jedi are too cult like and in a way the whole training children when young and cutting ties with loved ones is an example of thatYeah, it's not the criticism of the jedi as an order that's the problem, and if the show was really about examining those things that also wouldn't be the problem (hell the prequels kinda do this anyway kek, and then there's the whole grey jedi thing), the problem was assuming that it was being in a position of power is what makes the antagonists in star wars bad/evil, and not what they're
doing with that power or how it was gained that's the problem. It'd be like saying the Rebels were good not because of their cause, but because they're narrative underdogs next to the might of the Empire
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>>2148487found the original post, again the caption is an edit and the replies are all either "sub" males or fujos drawing fan-art of their uke's but it still reveals the fact that no matter how much they claim to champion fat bodies or give fake compliments to fat bastards, they desperately wish they had one semi-attractive person in their ranks instead of the ugly freaks they all are in reality.
(fujo sperging) No. 2150230
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>>2149226True. Fields of Mistria only has one ugly love interest (that I also don't see anyone posting about beyond the "oh I'm so normal about him!! sperging which always seems like empty virtue-signaling because they immediately continue posting about guys they actually like) meanwhile Coral Island for example has only ugly males and I've genuinely never seen anyone make fanart of or even talk about it. Everyone likes games that have pretty and appealing characters of their preferred gender whether they admit it or not.
No. 2150257
>>2150230Funny how no amount of kpop boys, manbun Asians, and scarred white guys can redeem this horrible art style. This looks like the cast of a reality TV show but they're all just off, just a flavorless ethnicity sample platter.
But bitches are still rabid over much simpler Harvest Moon characters. Pathetic because I'm pretty sure this artist is a woman but she's failed so horribly
No. 2150370
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>>2150356What do you mean. You don't find Gingy-kun sexy,
nonnie?
No. 2150466
>>2150162I agree with you on principle but can you guys actually read the posts you're replying to and keep your
victim complex to yourselves for like 5 minutes
No. 2150607
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>butches
where
No. 2150628
>>2150607>headcanon x as y thing but act as if it's real/representation/canon and not you being delusionalim so tired of this in general
as for the butch bit, it's probably no more than 'these female characters aren't glaringly stereotypically feminine and have some kind of tough/harsh personality, so they must be butch'
No. 2150634
>>2150097Let me get this straight - a westoid was paid to voice a work but he got
triggered by it and so he changed it because the female lead wasn't a nice girl? Whilst simultaneously dragging the author?
Did you not read the screenplay you fag? If you hated it so much, why'd you take the job?
>I write actually GOOD romanceThis reminds me of that sadistic beauty translator again kek
No. 2150637
>>2150230I physically recoil every time I see this image. I genuinely think the artist thought these male designs look attractive because the standards are so atrocious, an "attractive man" can look like basically anything while an "attractive woman" has to look like the generic bugeyed disney girl. Definitely drawn by a male.
>>2150356>why do they all look like buzzfeed employeesKEK now I can't unsee it
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>>2150662even kuvira's style is more regal and military-inspired rather than the usual plainness associated with butch
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>>2150607Ngl I'd kind of understand it if she used adult Toph as an example. The rest are retarded though, least of all because two of them are kids.
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>>2150607does she forget toph was boy crazy over sokka and zuko? she even had children kek she's just a tomboy
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>>2150720>>2150614Slightly related fun fact, Azula and Toph were originally going to be males (gigachads even) and Ty Lee was created as male!Azula's love interest kek.
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One of the most overhated characters in the history of gaming, who did absolutely nothing to warrant all that vitriol. If you hate Rochelle from Left 4 Dead 2 you hate black women, plain and simple, no ifs ands or buts about it. Fandom misogynoir aside she's actually one of my favourite black female video game characters, I wish we had more like her.
No. 2150777
>>2150768>hating characters from Left 4 Dead 2??
I played this game for hours, the characters mean nothing just occasionally funny dialogue while you're gunning down zombies
literally what is there to get mad about
No. 2150782
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>>2150757like look at this shit. shitlibs give every black guy the same hairstyle
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>>2150768moids hate her because she isn't a conventionally attractive white woman like Zoe from the first game. basically they can't come to her so she's worthless in their eyes
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>>2150432he wrote the female main character as an
abusive bitch because she's an insecure woman whose nonetheless assertive, while the male main character is a submissive softboy. this article goes into the changes he planned to make, which ultimately influenced the official dub
https://www.animefeminist.com/unlovely-complex-social-justice-misogyny-and-the-lovely-complex-dub/ No. 2150820
>>2150785Not even just coomer moids, a lot of shippers seethed over her because she allegedly "got in the way" between Nick and Ellis (because of one or two lines implying that Nick might be into her?) and even Francis and Zoey (lmao that shit was rightfully scrapped out of the final game) and also since white women couldn't self insert onto her like they did with Zoey they couldn't care less about defending her from moids either.
I do really appreciate the way Valve avoided the "Territorial Smurfette" trope with these two, and both were relieved to find out they were not the only woman left on earth and were sweet to each other even for that alone.
Also unpopular but objectively correct opinion but they were ultimately right to let Bill die. Logically, if any survivor had to be sacrificed, it would make the most sense for them to be the old crippled man. And of fucking course most of those who wanted another survivor to die instead meant Louis, who would have been the obvious audience surrogate gamer moid everyman self insert if he was white, but since he's black he's just "bland" and "annoying".
No. 2151055
>>2150097>and Risa Koizumi as a character only makes sense if she is a psychopath who does not understand human empathy. What crack this lobotomised moid on. You know, this is so telling: I mean LoveCom is one of the best shoujo romance stories, exactly one of the non-suck ones, without weird abuse and power dynamics in couple. Of course this retard would feel
uncomfortable about it, and especially about Risa, who is not uwu animu nekogirl, kkkek. But it’s hard to imagine how this circus was green lit, if you say it’s official.
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>>2150097Wow, he just made things up for that tranny brownie
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>>2150797>>2150782Kind of disingenuous considering his hair only looks like that in summer.
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>>2150230Which one of them is a troon, because this art style gives me that vibe that one of these is a hidden troon.
>>2150782No shit, you think gamedevs know actual black people? Lol
No. 2151291
>>2150737I have an acquaintance, who is a mousy geeky straight woman and she so desperately wants to be gay, she even wants to go to tinder to "experiment and le figure herself out xoxo" and I'm just here seeing through it all, how she's being a selfish cunt who will only drag down a poor lesbian as her "self discovery" tool and dump her once she realizes that she was just a hettie after all.
How do I know she's straight? She's never crushed on a woman, she's admitted it herself and only wants to date "to make sure".
I hate this so goddamn much.
No. 2151293
Samefag as
>>2151292 with breaking news for
>>2151289>Dippa is one of two non-binary townies in the game, the other being Raj.That's a big yikers from me, chiefess
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>>2150782Is
that the ugly male love interest you were talking about? He looks fine (if generic). I thought you were referring to this uggo picrel.
No. 2151306
>>2151291I wish all of these women would just ask themselves
>Do I ever, of my own choice and volition, think about women sexually or romantically?>Would I ever, of my own choice and volition, eat out a woman?>Would I ever, of my own choice and volition, date a woman?>Would I ever, of my own choice and volition, marry a woman?>Would I ever, of my own choice and volition, spend the rest of my life with a woman?>Would I ever, of my own choice and volition, do the aforementioned with a man?Instead of roping other lesbians into their bullshit.
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>>2151296It’s a crime that that uggo is romanceable but not any of these guys
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>>2150097>This is what this fag looks likeHonestly I almost want to blame the company. Seriously, hiring a youtuber? And you're wondering why it's a self important sped that shit talks your product? Are there not enough actual professional non-online voice actors for you in the actors guild directory that you have to go for some sonichu tier 35 year old who seethes about cartoons all day? Deserved tbh.
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this aged well
No. 2151468
>>2150093>People just want fun space adventures that obey the setting's established rules, lore, and toneUnfortunately with Hollywood being woke as fuck now, that's the first thing all studios put to the chopping block. We've all seen it in years past: taking a beloved franchise, fucking up everything you liked about it, and then blaming you for not liking it. It's
victim-blaming and
abusive narcissist behavior: Hollywood Style!
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>>2151428>>2151436he actually jacks off to "fart porn" and scat
No. 2151722
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>>2151431I have some experience in the industry and it's not because of 'prestige' the dubbing industry has never been prestigious (with the exception of ghibli movies) for other productions, the best case is always b-tier actors(see vidrel). at the end of the day, it's because of cost and crunchyroll. Instead of dubs going to independent productions, where quality could vary, now it's all one monopoly that is infamous for cutting corners and hiring non-union voice actors (such as youtubers and e-celebs who do it for the exposure, like the dungeon meshi dub that had a guy from smosh voicing laois)
No. 2152010
>>2150777>>2151316>>2150785I remember Rochelle-bashing being treated as a straight up fandom meme, there were people berating and wishing harm on this completely harmless pixel black woman because they wanted to be "in on the joke" and saw nothing wrong with it. Not to sound like a twitterfag but their excuses legit felt like gaslighting "it's not racist/sexist, it's just an fandom in-joke, you only take it so personally because you're a black girl yourself but this has nothing to do with you" were all stuff I've heard before from both moids, and yes many non-black female fans as well. But yeah it's totally just a funny inside joke and not unhinged misogynoir to draw a white man beating up a black woman half his size (whom he actually canonically
likes!) for the heinous crime of insulting his vest (she is right btw)!!
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>>2147509I don't read fan-fiction but I believe you, one of the things that's really disturbed me is how troon fetish terms like force-femmed were used so casually in fandom spaces
No. 2152032
>>2147509One time I found a vanilla husbando x reader pussy eating one shot and the author "half-jokingly" apologized in the description for it being "only" that. Bleak.
>>2152023>>2152024Why do I have a feeling "chuck" is only offended because it invalidates >his "transmasc sanic" headcanons
>catgirlprostateis there literally any true and honest biological woman who has a "catgirl" username
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>>2152240That’s because it’s his beach outfit. His is the least revealing. All the other bachelors show off their pecs.
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>>2150607>the only genuinely gnc girl from this series is absent Curiouser and curiouser
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>>2152430
The game (nu carnival) is fine, it's by a Taiwanese BL company and 100% free of trans shit. But gendies will gendie
The character wasn't a young child but a vampire with the ability to shapeshift, and the form we see him often is one that according to the devs looks 16-18 years old.
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>>2152471If these trannies don’t hop off my hot pink husbando goat…
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>>2152631I probably can't give an accurate image of the English fandom because I block gendies in every platform (except Tumblr where I just left the platform altogether) so I only see a limited group of sane people on my feeds. I'm only in the official discord, which has a number of TIFs trying to shit it up with from time to time but still is much more usable than the private ones (I joined and left 5-6 of them) due to several of its regular users being crypto coded. They would respect pronouns of their TIF friends but would get irritated when some retard tries to transwash their husbandos, post titchop art or insist that this game is for "gay mlm". Just last week a TIF tried to stir up discourse about "not understanding why cis girls would like this game" and at least 5 people chewed her out like bubble gum. It was worse in the past though, some birdbrains used to spam titchop art and trans hcs so much that people got sick of them and bullied them into leaving. One of them even changed her name to call several people transphobes kek
Now most of the actual fights in the server happen either because of people not having reading comprehension in regular convos or over differences in opinion about which unit is more efficient and how to clear certain fights.
Nukani eng Twitter apparently has moralfagging discourse from time to time, but it probably is always by gendies because I literally never see it. In the past I saw shit like the game being called racist for Solaria having slavery in the past (which has already been abolished ages ago and the new lord is still trying his best to make the life of migrants better) and for a dark skin character's skin color being emphasized when describing his beauty??? I have been told by friends that some fans are also excessively negative like overly nitpicking over characters they don't like and inventing moralfagging reasons that don't exist. Like seme being a little aggressive and not stopping when uke says shit like "if we do another round I'm going to go crazy (heart eyes)" == abuse apparently. They also screamed a lot about the possibility of the fandom getting flooded with minors after the game was released on apple and google play store (originally it was an apk from their website only), but I didn't notice any change in the player base myself.
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>>2152809Join the official discord and look for "trans" and other related keywords using discord search. that should give you plenty of results kek. Once you have found some clowns giving retarded takes like trans Aster, titchop disabled Rei, austistic blade or wanting a new trans top, you can search for those users specifically.
Picrel is one clown who I mentioned went up against the crypto regulars (not there anymore sadly, would have provided good milk).
On Twitter I would say lurk in the fandom tags a bit and find a couple artists with weird gendie-coded porn art. They all follow each other so you should be able to find the circus easily. Searching for "trans X" character names might help but I've already blocked them all so cannot confirm myself
No. 2152850
>>2152844I used to use reddit for gacha codes because fuck facebook but it was just too much.
I also remember someone saying it was wrong to sexualize the wolf boy because he was a DID system little, the evidence was generic anime animal boy/girl traits.
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>>2123876picrel for advice for OP threadpic maker. why do you 20-30yo anons care so much about these funko pop collecting degenerates who would have been writhing from botched post-surgical lobotomy in an asylum 50 years ago?
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>>2152331>Muh dilf bod!Horrid trend kek, who allowed this to leak into virtual animu boy dating. Of course only the male love interests bear unconventional features, while women with similar attributes will always be undateable npcs. Female love interests cookie-cutter as usual.
>>2150230What I don’t get about these indie farming games having samey pretty bachelorettes vs “diverse” ugly bachelors is, isn’t the main audience for these types of games women? Why are the love interests designed like they’re afraid to anger moids but have no problem giving female players the ugly shit?
No. 2152871
>>2152863Ngl the older women are pretty cute so it's unfortunate if they're not dateable.
That being said, only the clearly bara guy and the black dude's haircut are really that bad.
No. 2152910
>>2152863Why do these gamedev retards fill the dating slots with hideous old men? Seriously.
What in the world is the actual appeal of these wrinkly expired scrotes? Who would play this slop?
There is absolutely no reason at all why a dating sim should be filled with anything but cute animu boys.
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>>2152863Bachelorettes
>cute>cute>clearly meant to be the sexy option>cute>elegantBachelors
>looks like he'd try selling you cure-all snake oil>cute>old uggo>cute>I beg, give him long dreadsuncomfirmed Specials (picrel)
>cute priestess>literally a dragon No. 2153115
>>2153113>Western Twitter virtue signalling brainrot.A disease ruining everything
I'm going to take a wild guess that he'll have more TIFs self-inserting on him than romancing him. He's just two steps away from looking like Miku Binder Thomas Jefferson
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>>2153077>>2153088>Giving yaoi bottoms pussies>Literally the most common straight TIF behavior>Lesbians still get blamed for itKek how are lesbians living this rent-free in farmers’ minds now?
No. 2153574
>>2153509>>2153480>>2153473>>2153416>>2153107>>2153081I was the one reporting the boypussy crimes by TIFs. Nonnies are right, from what I've seen it's never lesbians. The rare yaoi prison gays (who only engage in e-dating and won't touch a real woman's pussy even if you held a gun to their heads) don't count. They are alwaya "gay men" (=straight women) or "pan" 95% of the time. The remaining 5% claim to be asexual but scream about wanting to be pounded by fictional dicks. I have never seen anyone who actually acts like a lesbian (expresses romamtic interest in RL women) who wants that boypussy bs.
>>2153404Now that the trash ideology has spread like fucking plague, even good joseimuke can't save us. You can see that by the aidens' tendency to trans any cool female characters in manga/anime/games who are even a little bit gnc. They just want to have the world be as mentally ill as they are.
No. 2153686
>>2153671Half the time but not always. There's a fair number of canonically female waifus too.
>T. lesbian waifu thread lurker>>2153574The asexual Tifs anger me the most. They're clearly mentally ill and can't reconcile their relationship with sex. How can they be ace when most of their twitter is devoted to niche fetish porn while sperging about their favorite husbando that they so totes like in a queerplatonic (read: romantically obsessed) way? If from the start they weren't ace, I wouldn't even so much as raise an eyebrow, let alone question the weird fanfiction they write in their spare time.
No. 2153787
>>2153686From what I've seen, a lot of asexuals just have really warped ideas as to what sexual attraction towards another person even
is/feels like– they think that because they don't experience things like how it's written in fic or romance books, where everything is overblown and relationships/sex progress far faster and easily than they do in reality, that that must mean what they do feel isn't attraction or that they're weird for not being horny and head-over-heels the second they meet someone. Porn is different though because it's just stimulus and not a complex interaction with another human, so they don't see engaging with it as being at odds with their 'sexuality'
(of course there are also asexuals that feel the way they do because of other reasons/trauma, but all the ones I've personally spoken to are like this)
The queerplatonic nonsense is from being so inexperienced with strong friendships that they assume there must be some sort of romantic aspect to the relationship. Tbh it reminds me of some of the recent discussions in these threads about how you can like characters in ways that don't involve attraction, and some anons seemingly not understanding that
No. 2153799
>>2153787I agree. I don't think most of them are even sex repulsed but just people who have a low to normal libido but think IRL sex is supposed to be extremely passionate and a pornified performance and because they find the idea of partaking in something like that so off-putting they consider themselves as having no interest in sex at all.
>Tbh it reminds me of some of the recent discussions in these threads about how you can like characters in ways that don't involve attraction, and some anons seemingly not understanding thatThose anons are genuinely depressing. Like imagine how much they're missing out on if they can't like or appreciate a character they're not attracted to.
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>>2153794There is some variation tbf the older bachelorette has a more covered outfit but then there's Juniper's. Idk why Balen is covered so much he is crazy confident kinda expected a speedo.
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>>2152331>>2153794The western tenderqueer indie developer fears The Belial.
No. 2153974
>>2150768As someone who actually played the game I can't imagine hating ANY of the characters, they're so inconsequential apart from the occasional dialogue kek. Racism is poison to the brain.
>>2150805Men are so fucking fragile kek
No. 2154006
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I just don't understand why these degens can't use regular rule 63, instead of feminising male characters or make them troons
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>>2152331I got mad and redesigned their beach outfits. I wanna see slutty men
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>>2152331>>2153808>>2153909I think the female pixel artist only did the pixel art, she didn’t design the characters. Which character concept artist do we blame for this?
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>>2154006Theres plenty of futa artists who are predominantly straight men save for the occasional tranny chaser and "gay for traps." Oddly enough, I think most "male futa" artists are just hetero tifs projecting themselves onto their favorite boytoy blorbo. If you look through the avergae male futa twitter feed, you'll see its predominantly male characters and bl save for the occasional perfomtive yuri posting. They aren't sexually attracted to women, otherwise they would just genderbent the character. They have a heterosexual attraction to a character being "male" and masculine but only if said character is put in a submissive, objectifying and misogynistic sex role. Its not enough for them to take it in the ass or have a chastity cage, they need to be totally subservient.
tldr: idk femcoomers be crazy
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>>2154047>liking pussy is heterosexual actuallyKeep coping. Men also say ''well as long as it has bolt ons and make up its not gay, even if it has a dick!''
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>>2154057most men into futa fantasize about futaxfemale. Or just female characters with dick. Which is gay, no matter how much you cope about it.
>>2154056>the difference is that men can't have pussies irl lmao.cuntboys arent men, they have pussies so they are female. Its just like how lolis are children despite children irl not having neon colored hair and gigantic bug eyes.
>>2154059Women can be pornsick just like men. There is a pletora of mentally ill women who get off to nasty shit just like men, think about the author of kodomo no jikan or Null the FGM pickme. The only difference is that women cant rape, so they dont enact what they see in porn on others.
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>>2154073a lot of transbians go transxtrans(so gay) same for some tifs. I know you are doing mental gymnastics because you want to put the blame only on straight women, but most of these tifs get off to pussy so they are gay. I have been jumpscared by enough cuntboy shit to know its basically just futa for closeted women. Most cuntboy shit, just like futa, has an extreme focus on the genitals. Like pic rel. No straight woman would find this attractive.
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>>2154038>Andrew>ClaireCan’t these faggots go back to making comics about fat retarded cats
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>>2154087>>2154008DA (inb4 new thread gets made and the topic ends) imo malexcuntboy is not lesbian/gay/straight because it's like fetish-sexual at that point. as in it lacks sexuality it's just degradation. i've met several women (online) into it who have identified themselves as "gay" (as in straight tif), then met others who actually id as straight, id as bi, and id as lesbian. but they all come across as so extremely online that they've not had sex for years and it's like they don't even know themselves and only know coom.
for tifs i've seen malexcuntboy used as a self insert thing but not all of them do it. i've seen a couple self-id'd fujos (not saying fujos do this) use it as a forcefem fetish for their yaoi ships. i've seen a self-id'd lesbian (not saying lesbians do this) use it for her alien race porn. and i've seen a self-id'd straight woman (not saying straight women do this) use it in her castration fetish. which i guess would be considered femalexcuntboy (again, not saying straight women do this).
overall it's like voyeuring on a fictional non!human fetish humanoid thing. i don't want to say "humanoid fetish object" but cuntboy really does feel like that. same with moids and futa, although for moids into futa it was originally about moids being fucked by a futa, but then with the rise of sadistic trannies (and bi men unironically because i kept seeing it all over my mmo roleplay communities) futa on female became popularised. moids invented cuntboy too but tifs have really leaned into it. either way cuntboy and futa are disgusting and i don't blame any one sexuality for it becoming popular. it doesn't help that i've seen popular asian artists on twitter exposing their followers to it. it's like a shut-in's fetish to me.
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>>2154025Your edit is amazing, seconding a mod.
>>2154087Agreed, idk why this website acts like lesbians are innocent puritan angels when they can be just as degenerate even if it's less common