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No. 2530312
Discuss the current psyop regarding ugly and old men being shilled as attractive.
This thread is also for talking about topics like beauty double standards in media, ugly fictional and IRL men shilled as attractive, science about male aging and unattractiveness, etc.
>do not try to defend ugly men ITT, go to unconventional male attractions to discuss uggos you like>report/ignore racebait>this thread is specifically for what moids look like; extended discussions of moid behavior, crimes, sexuality, etc. are better suited to the manhate thread.Previous
>>2398330>>2428639>>2458998>>2489483 No. 2530328
Glad people have started treating these types like the jokes they are but the lanafags in the comments joking about how relatable she is are so pathetic
No. 2530469
>>2530450True, the threadpic should've been something like a
I hate this word mogging compilation or whatever.
No. 2530537
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>nonnas say they want a hot guy next thread pic
>next thread pic is hot guy
>nonnas say it's not enough and it needs to be a mogging pic
No. 2530637
>>2530564So was this one
>>2529977 which at least is on topic.
No. 2530966
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relevant
No. 2530996
>>2530328The young women dating men in their late 30s have no idea that these guys are leftover males. The emotionally disregulated,
toxic, avoidance attachment type who is drifting in life with no real trajectory and probably has a few failed pseudo-marriages under his belt (he'd never officially commit). The type to whine and guilt trip you as if he's not over a decade more mature than you supposedly.
These girls sould be with hot young guys their age who will be optimistic, maybe studying to be successful at least and not yet totally weighed down with jaded baggage. One of the biggest perks of youth besides health is being with YOUNG guys. YOU HAVE YOUR WHOLE LIFE TO BE WITH AN OLD MAN, they all get there eventually.
No. 2531004
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This is basically what happened to most of the males in my small midwest high-school graduating class within 10 years. Many of them only needed 5 years to turn into walking septic tanks.
No. 2531067
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The blond bitch from austin and ally was aging just fine in my friend dahmer, wtf happened. He's 29.
No. 2531147
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This guy quit his popular youtube channel and now I’m seeing him everywhere. If I see one more twittertard say his wife is hideous and he’s too good for her I won’t be able to stop myself from a-logging
No. 2531312
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Miss America 2025 and her NBA boyfriend. Bet you can't guess which one was called mid by hundreds of comments on social media. And although I like that it makes men insecure, height is such a fucking psyop. Tall ugly men might be even worse than average height ugly men; the audacity to be hogging up so much matter when you look like that, AND having the gall think you're hot shit just because you're a freak of nature. Why are beautiful high status women always the ones who fall for the psyop the hardest?
No. 2531567
>>2531312What the fuck aaaaa
This is ALMOST bad as Adriana Lima and her eyes-to-close buttfuck ugly husband
No. 2531587
>>2531147I watch this channel and this guy is the rare good moid that always praises and make jokes about how hot his wife and how lucky he is to have her. This pics on the bottow you linked are 10-20 years old while the top is current. It's funny that that scrotes still feel the need to put down Becka for being an adverage looking mother in her 40s as if he was supposed ditch her for a hotter younger woman when Luke looks like a post wall foot kek
>>2531437His channel is Outdoor boys. He makes alot camping/adventuring and traveling blogs with his family. Easily the nicest and coziest family on the platform.
No. 2531662
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Can literal models please stop dating ugly subhumans? Please
No. 2531668
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>>2531664No anon he wouldn't be all right…
And that's her current asymmetrical husband. Christ…
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No. 2531903
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I wonder what it's like to be a scrote
No. 2532168
>>2530996Technically, you can date younger guys when you're older. Especially if you're childfree, kek
In fact I feel that's the best outcome for these girls, get the bag from the old scrote then turn around and get a boy toy.
No. 2533665
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>>2531662Why do rich pretty women date these guys? i used to believe they did it for the money but most of these guys used to be literal whos before they started dating their richer, prettier gfs.
No. 2533681
>>2533678Its sane how men play the
victims when there are so many examples of beautiful women with ugly men. Hell, the average woman puts more effort into their looks that her bf. Really shows how men dont appreciate all the things women do for men.
No. 2533741
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This is supposed to be a Hollywood sex symbol btw
No. 2533743
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>>2533741kek he literally looks like the australia wojak
No. 2533817
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this neanderthal looking idiot that i saw in a youtube ad
No. 2533923
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>>2533665For Blanco, it's his cred
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No. 2534334
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Ken dolls
No. 2534336
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>>2534334The only one cute ken doll
No. 2534347
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This ken came out as an exclusive and for colecction.
No. 2534364
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This it's the ken that my Barbie's deserve.
No. 2534386
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>>2534347Lol he looks so stupid, i think this one is better it's also official
No. 2534416
>>2533817out of all the mainstream ugly moid psyops, the
>men who look like neanderthals are actually sexyis probably the worst psyop of all. the fact half of women are brainwashed into thinking cavemen are sexy is such a blackpill
No. 2534482
this just pissed me off. look how she mogs him
No. 2534485
>>2534482there's an unfortunately prevalent attitude towards ethnic women on the internet from men, and it's usually something like
>ethnic women should be grateful to date any man who is paler than themlike no matter how pretty the ethnic woman is, she gets told that she should be grateful that any white man (or spicy white like the one in your video) was willing to 'settle' for her. it's just one of many ways that men insidiously neg women.
No. 2535234
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>>2534334This is the best looking Ken that has come out recently.
No. 2535336
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this guy needs to die in a plane crash already i can't believe he's still being shilled
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No. 2535341
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twitter bitches made this possible
No. 2535342
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tom holland is genuinely one of the ugliest humans to exist
No. 2535343
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the guy below isn't particularly amazing but putting fucking pedro above him lol?
No. 2535349
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>>2535346i believe this is how david lynch was killed. we need to focus communal energy toward pedro
No. 2535383
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>>2535349Reminds me of picrel
No. 2535408
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>>2535338all of them look like beady-eyed goblins or root vegetables that came to life holy shit. picrel mogs all of them. hollywood needs to follow china's casting standards like yesterday, i can't stand seeing those ugly mugs being shilled
No. 2535413
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My theory about the rise of mid looking celebrities is that attractive people prefer to be influencers than participate in weirdllywood and have to be sexually abused by a dirty old man. In Korea, there are much more attractive celebrities like Cha Eunwoo because Korean society highly values attractive people.
No. 2535424
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>>2535408Unpopular opinion, but the psycho probably applies to both sexes. There are tons of mid celebrities, both male and female. The 90s were simply the era with the most attractive celebrities (Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Connelly, DiCaprio, Jensen Ackles, Denise Richards). We probably never see a cast as attractive as Meet Joe Black again.
No. 2535463
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>>2535445>>2535438They're not as attractive as a Hollywood star is supposed to be. Just compare them to Claire Forlani.
No. 2535535
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>>2535408Hollywood only hates attractive people. Many Chinese people complained about how Hollywood cast ugly actors in shang chi.
No. 2535583
>>2535438So women aren’t allowed to be middle aged anymore?
We pointed out in an earlier thread that you guys where descending into ageism and you swore up and down you were only talking about men…
No. 2535591
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>>2535583Here anon, i think you need this.
No. 2535726
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Mid/ugly female and male nepo babies being everywhere, plus actually attractive people choosing to take the easier and safer route and become influencers is one thing, but the psyop is still real too.
I know that kpop isn't allowed but recently in Korea complaints about ugly old moids getting paired up with young and pretty actresses has been trending frequently (they call it a psyop too).
Especially pic related botched nose and creepy smile makes many viewers seethe, since he's in every big production now and always alongside the most gorgeous girls. Mind you, left is 31 and right is "only" 39 plus he has a fit body, so for Hollywood standards that would be considered great, but in Korea they call him an ugly uncle kek
Nevertheless shows that the psyop sadly is quickly spreading everywhere…
No. 2535733
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>>2535726This guy too looks as if he's missing a couple chromosomes, while she is an absolute doll and 10+ years younger. But whenever asian viewers complain about their own countries casting choices, western fans will jump in and call them all kinds of names for being so uwu mean to their baby.
Interestingly many of these korean shows are produced by netflix, maybe it's again murican/western moids trying to push ugly moids on other countries too…
No. 2535740
>>2535734>If anything it would make even more sense for attractive Koreans to be influencers.There are plenty?
>Those mfers were openly and publicly as celebrity women being trafficked to moidsThe vast majority of
victims were unknown models and influencers, plus normie women.
Plus in Korea (or elsewhere too?) female celebrities can date up while male celebrities have to date down: female actresses date male ceos/heirs, male actors can't get actresses and have to go for female idols, while male idols can't get female idols and therefore go for influencers, meaning influencers are stuck with often broke narc moids with a god complex.
No. 2535755
>>2535424Why do you care this much about how women look unless you’re a faggot?
>>2535508Oh, it IS a bifag. Take this to another thread you STD ridden degenerate. You bitches are always the most judgy about women appearance. I’d pay for your conversion therapy. Pickme sexuality.
(infighting) No. 2535766
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I feel like I'm going crazy both with the amount of moid claiming that Jimmy is attractive and the amount attacking "women" for "calling him attractive" and "saying you can fix him"
No. 2535768
>>2535536Yes. I don't know why everyone is attacking anon for noticing reality. I don't want to see ugly
people on tv. I don't care if that makes me a pick-me, these women are gross. Especially that thing from "Anora", holy fuck
(off topic) No. 2535774
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>>2535726korean women are all either turbopickmes addicted to plastic surgery and dating geriatric men, or radfems, no in between
No. 2535809
>>2535768Nepo baby or not, a woman not being
exactly to your taste is not an example of Hollywood oppressing you. There's a REASON we focus on the male psyop, and let's be real, none of those "mid" actresses are even remotely as ugly as the men we discuss. I hope your body dysmorphia gets better.
No. 2535812
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>>2535508>It's the insufferable "women are so pretty u guiz!" breed of bifag coming out of the woodwork to embarrass the rest of usWe don't claim you, Hettie Betty.
(infight bait) No. 2536438
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>>2535768The only attractive actresses now are Margot Robbie, Ana de Armas, Mackenzie Foy and Kristine Froseth.
(off topic) No. 2536485
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>>2536438Daniela Melchior and Samara Weaving are pretty too.
(off topic) No. 2536568
>>2536466there's already a thread for that anyway but they probably don't visit other boards
>>>/g/432617and these two failed attempts from last year
>>>/ot/2009067>>>/ot/2009598 No. 2536585
>>2536568Kek the nonas posting the ugly moids in retaliation
Never change lolcor, never change
No. 2536636
>>2535473IA to some extent young Leo's role in Titanic (and r+j) does a lot of heavy lifting because he got to be seen as a River Phoenix clone, soft, pretty sensitive boy who just wants to draw naked women because he's so uwu pure. Brad Pitt around the same played a literal Nazi in 7 years in Tibet and a sex addict life ruining terrorist cult leader schizo psycho.
He was just a blond man at the right time and got to be considered a Serious Actor a little sooner than Leo, and then locked in Jennifer Anniston and was basically set for life as a ~bad boy~ boy next door. Even if Leo is a disgusting POS he's a better actor and has had way better casting than Brad over the years.
No. 2537111
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God is there hope for women
No. 2537223
>>2537203Those women are autistic imageboard users,
nonnie. And before you remind me that I'm posting here too, I don't mean autistic as an insult. Like those are usually genuinely autistic diagnosed women who
also browse chans. That's far removed from the general "female gaze" (which doesn't even exist. The term got coined by retards who didn't understand what the term male gaze was criticizing. There is no female gaze, it doesn't exist in our society).
No. 2537333
>>2537275Well, of course not all autistic women are like that but it's that the likelyhood of developing these preferences increases which imo tend to actually be hyperfixations or fetishes (a lot of nonnies admit it's a fetish for them).
Some of the men they're obsessed with are so hideous to me they moreso resemeble something akin to a toaster fetish than normal attraction. So that's why I wouldn't say they represent the average woman's tastes. I suspect it's mostly the same few anons posting too, giving the illusion of much bigger traffic. Women are still majorlt cucked though obviously
No. 2537366
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>>2537333>>2537358This site is infested with normies, i remember a while back in unpopular opinions someone didn't know what GNC was.
>>2535734>Those mfersEven when they're on topic they don't bother to fix their zoomer twitter speak and anons don't even shit on them for integrating either
No. 2537435
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>>2537366i know these are two different anons but the one in that cap reminds me of this one kek (all over some shitty soundcloud rapper being called ugly)
No. 2537762
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I really wish American women hadn't gassed this moid up so much. He really thinks he's 100/10 even though he's a lanky ectomorph, balding super hard, has weird piggy close together eyes, a super bulbous nose etc.
The only good thing about him is he had a baby with an age appropriate woman who has her own career, and not some 20 year old bimbo stripper.
No. 2537771
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>>2537766Alexander Skarsgård and yes please do nona because I want to see what he would look like if he got his ugly features fixed like women are expected to. He looked a lot better in his youth but I think his hair was doing 80% of the work.
No. 2537780
>>2537762he's one of those guys who is fairly average but he's a great actor and his charisma shines through.
i think his brother is cuter but nonas hate him too because he's not an instagram twink
No. 2537798
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>>2537791Ezra miller has a horrible personality but he was good looking when he wasn't a tranny
No. 2537801
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I really hope this comment was a baiting moid and not a real woman, because this is so disappointing.
She posted her taste in the thread, got clowned for it, then seethed that there are too many 'white twink prettyboys' in the unconventional attractions thread.
Another cunt (I'm hoping this was also a jealous flat assed male) seethed over the fact that many nonnies prefer a muscular, shapely ass in a man to a disgusting flabby saggy one, and called them 'gay men' and 'old homos' for liking this.
This has to be bait right? Even the most pickme of pickmes cannot be this angry about women posting attractive twinks with nice butts, can they?
No. 2537815
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>>2537780Bill is even uglier, honestly. The only attractive thing about him is his unusual green eye color, that's it. Even his eyes are ugly and shaped like two fat Shayna pussies.
No. 2537819
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>>2537815And he also has a lazy eye.
No. 2537820
>>2537801ngl most of those guys do look like fags though
>>2537810indian moids invading the site rn
No. 2537826
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>>2537762>>2537819>>2537815The whole Skarsgård clan give me the creeps. Remind me of those illuminati families. Wasn't there a blind years ago that Alexander invited some homeless refugee moid over for gay sex too?
Their dad looks like a megapedo also, probably a weird satanic gay rape family that sold their souls for fame.
No. 2537830
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>>2537827there's a reason alain delon will always be the king of that thread before the zoomies and homos took over (and why anons in that thread are calling each other out for faggot taste). he's attractive and masculine without looking like he swallowed cum for money
No. 2537832
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>>2537820They dont really. Most gay moids are muscular and have facial hair, legit pretty twinks aren't that common. Their faces are pure luck and genetics, none of it is influenced by gay culture or even gayface from making effeminine expressions.
No. 2537834
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>>2537824One day when you grow up you'll realize the soft twinky prettyboys who look like 'fags' are almost always superstraight, and the 'manly' dudes and roidpig beardos are the ones who are actually always the massive faggots.
No. 2537838
>>2537836ma'am this is an anonymous site
wishing a guy got himself infected with HIV is homo taste
No. 2537841
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>>2537830>posts a yassified filtered tiktok pic of him he was a 6-7 at best
No. 2537845
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>>2537841>alain delon is a 6/10the absolute state of lolcow
No. 2537849
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>>2537845>>alain delon is a 6/10Yes. If I saw this moid on the street, I'd think 'Hmm, he's slightly above average' and move on with my day. Acting like he's drop dead gorgeous is just weird. And bear in mind he is filtered here too, as its a movie, and he still doesnt look all that special.
No. 2537857
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This random moid is what Delonbros think Delon looks like, even though this random moid mogs him (besides the gross chickenpox scar and face pubes)
No. 2537875
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>>2537869Nta but young, pre-car crash Eric Roberts
No. 2537877
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>>2537873Even in his prime he was a 6-7/10. I stand by my statement. The only examples of him you've posted are literal tiktok edits with Chinese filters. Meanwhile the moid I posted was candid.
No. 2537880
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>>2537875>posts him facing away from the cameraHe's a 4.5.
No. 2537885
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>>2537882It says his car crash was in 1981 and this photo is from 1980. Still ugly.
No. 2537903
>>2537900i think also many beautiful men have died young in wars over time, while ugly old men managed to get power and impregnate many beautiful women, so the ratio is screwed. plus old man sperm is prone to causing birth defects/autism/etc. we need to stop ugly men from breeding as a collective. if men are uglier than women on average it's hundreds of years of fucking up the gene pool.
tinfoil: ugly men are more likely to be given privileges that beautiful men are not, and therefore the music industry, hollywood and big business are overrun with ugly men who continue to hire and give success to other ugly men while pushing out the good-looking ones. the uggos can then attract younger and gorgeous women with their money and pollute their attractive genes with hideous chromosomes.
>>2537901still subjective and not objective. some female birds like a male with a gigantic bubbly piece of flesh hanging off their face and value a bigger and nastier one. nature has no value of beauty and doesn’t care. humans do though, and it is malleable, but has been mostly influenced by straight males.
No. 2537910
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>>2537903>nature has no value of beauty and doesn’t careBowerbirds care…
No. 2537912
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>>2537901>Not really. Symmetry, facial proportions and harmony are the basis of physical beauty.In theory, yes. In reality, no. I mean it's already been proven, like when attractive celebs have their faces photoshopped to be completely symmetrical, proportionate. harmonious etc and they end up looking ugly or uncanny as fuck. Attractiveness is very personal and subjective and cannot be truly quantified imo. Look at how many nonas on here and anons on 4chan are constantly arguing over who is ugly and who is hot.
These studies remind me of those other pop-sci studies where they claim stuff like 'people who have longer ring fingers are far more likely to cheat'. Meanwhile someone like Tiger Woods, serial cheater, had a shorter ring finger.
Anyone with eyes knows women are more attractive than men on average. I'm still skeptical of any of these studies that try to quantify things that cannot really be properly quantified and controlled for.
(Sorry for doubleposting)
No. 2537926
>>2537912not to mention a huge portion of men fetishize gumball-headed, chinless, bug eyed, pasty, anorexic women who look like they're dying of TB. simply because those women look about 12 years old and thats what those moids find 'sexy' because men are pedos. even though those women are probably objectively quite dysgenic and will give birth to weak or malnourished children. all the girls those agatha fags post for example look like a bulimic female mr bean.
men's perceptions and opinions of female attractiveness cannot be trusted, because a woman looking like a child wins out to them over a woman being genuinely attractive, fit, healthy, strong etc.
women have also been psyopped into finding hideous geriatric men who will objectively give you ugly potato babies 'hot' too, as this thread is about.
No. 2537944
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>>2537937Uh no its actually extremely common for Korean women to date older men/sugardaddies who will pay for their plastic surgeries so that they can get better promotions at work or make it in the idol industry.
Japanese women do it too, it's called enjo-kosai (there are entire areas in Tokyo where teen and twenty something Japanese girls wait around for ugly old moids to come pick them up and take them to a hotel after negotiating a price)
Oh In Hye famously killed herself after having an affair with an old scrote who paid for her plastic surgery.
No. 2538175
>>2537780>>2537815he's one of those dozen buscemi/pete davidson clones but with horror movie roles, idg why some people act like he's conventional. bug eyes have always been considered weird on everyone
>>2537838it's most likely a shipper type (not saying the actual fandom term since it attracts spergs but you know what i mean)
No. 2538714
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The difference in effort…
No. 2538718
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I found this old blog from 2006 and this part stood out to me, do ypu think this is true?
https://crookedtimber.org/2006/08/22/more-than-just-a-pretty-face/ No. 2538734
>>25387181. who cares what some retarded scrote thinks
2. from the way this whiny self righteous post was written there are possibly some other reason's he's getting turned down (being whiny obnoxious and retarded)
3. who cares what some retarded scrote thinks
men's opinions on anything literally do not matter
No. 2538988
>>2538718it's true though. most guys around me are fucking disgustingly and disturbingly ugly and they have partners. the good looking guys are single and they usually don't even have terribly high standards. i think they're just expected to have perfect personalities on top of perfect looks and perfect put together unrealistic life, where the ugly guys entire existence can be excused by feeling sorry for him for being ugly.
>well at least he has X quality!take a look at so many famous men and you'll see exactly what i mean
No. 2539014
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I don't give af about the crime, look at this ogre and then look at his age! Life is so bleak as a woman…
No. 2539146
>>2539102For some reason for the past two years I was in love with a live action character, end ergo a 3DPD moid. I recently developed feelings for an anime guy and it was a total epiphany. Real males are genuinely disturbing to look at, they look like someone took the concept of a human being and made it an uncanny CGI disney live action remake. Thank god I'm cured. Here's to hoping that full-sensory husbando simulation VR becomes a thing within our lifetime.
>drinking, cooming, shit diets and having evil soulsKek I do all that and I've had an insane glow up over the past 5 years. Having a Y chromosome is just like getting blasted with low level radiation your entire life.
No. 2539357
>>2539333>>2539356Samefag follow-up, are you wondering if your brothers will get better with age?
Answer is no. They will get worse, and fatter. If you're really lucky with genetics balder too.
No. 2539524
>>2537903> ugly men are more likely to be given privileges that beautiful men are not, and therefore the music industry, hollywood and big business are overrun with ugly men who continue to hire and give success to other ugly men while pushing out the good-looking ones.Inb4 racebait but in America, I 100% think it's because Jewish men are at the forefront of these industries and resent attractive, but especially white men who have features more aligned with Eurocentric beauty standards. Most Jewish scrotes as a result of inbreeding for centuries look objectively hideous, and it's why the most shilled Hollywood scrotes have features commonly found in Jewish men (hairy, big nose, disfigured eyes, etc). I wonder if this also explains the plot of so many movies about ugly, often nerdy scrotes conquering attractive blond women. However, Jewish men founded Hollywood to begin with and back then there were far more attractive actors which hampers my theory.
(Racebaiting) No. 2539833
>>2537810I think people seethe about them because they're used to seeing white men have no sense of aesthetics outside of the typical manly man look, since it's so ingrained in western beauty standards that you should look like that as a white male and anything else is gay. White pretty boys tend to be rarer than asian ones due to differences in beauty standards, and get beards and wall themselves on purpose (if they're not already walled) to pursue that manly white chad look, so if a guy isn't doing that and actually leans into the pretty boy aesthetics they're instantly attacked for it, especially if they aren't a teenager anymore. Any white guy who still keeps a youthful appearance in his 20s is bound to get called a faggot eventually by retards. Also they get mad because you having any preference that excludes them in some way makes them seethe.
>>2539333My brother is younger than me and he's balding and already has wrinkles.
No. 2539996
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thewizardliz's boyfriend cheated on her while she was 4 months pregnant, how do we feel about this? I always thought he was ugly and she only liked him because he's a white man, and it's wuite ineresting to see this happen to someone who's talked about women deserving better. does anyone think it was a purposeful long con from him?
No. 2540021
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>>2539996he is a beaded eyed looking rat. this really is a story on how no matter how much a man tells you he loves you, or how much you hold them to a certain standard, at the end of the day he is a disgusting man who is a slave to his dick. he needed her more than she needed him. his moid mind couldnt go a day without thinking of sex just because his wife was pregnant. hopefully liz is going to rise stronger and more radical than ever.
No. 2540030
>>2539996I listen to Sheraseven over her because she doesn't hide how much she uses moids for money, and she doesn't involve feelings into the game. She pretty much said all men will cheat, anyways.
You'll never catch her making video posts of her husband being a basic dad or w/e. She'll only post videos of her daughters or her doing something to level up herself which I like, personally.
Felt most people that recommended Liz to me just didn't like how blunt Shera came off, and liked how soft and somewhat more forgiving of moids Liz was.
Also jesus that moid looks sped and gay, knew that relationship was dead from the jump.
No. 2540063
>>2539996i thought it was very apparent she's with him for the prospect of a cushy life, she's part of that circle of dark femininity "maneater" influencers that prefer the role that the woman should be pretty and has a man's children while he makes her lots of money, i don't think she's ever cared if her moid is fugly or not.
>>2540030Liz is more appealing to the above mentioned circle's fans, she's more devoted to the aesthetic while the woman you're talking about seems more normie
No. 2540103
>>2540069>>2540074The answer is simple: she never truly believed any of that stuff in the first place. She's just playing her female viewers into watching her for "tips" on how to avoid scrotes, and using reverse psychology into making moid viewers pay more attention to her for being "rebellious against the patriarchy" (even if they're
triggered). It's all just for the views.
No. 2540113
>>2540103might be it, it might be how she got her current scrote, he was pleased with the idea of being a maneater "misandrist" bitch's chosen one and then when he put a baby in her, felt that he accomplished her ultimate goal of "conquering" her and then moved onto his next
victim.
No. 2540125
>>2540076Definitely. Something has to be so intrinsically wrong with a moid if he breaks the loyalty to a woman pregnant with
his baby. Fuck this "moids are naturally polygamous" excuse. We're not rats, we're humans who only have an average of one baby a year because of our evolution of being such relatively great parents that our biology never demanded a litter of babies in most pregnancies just so maybe ONE of them could make it. This bond to our partners boosts the survival of the family itself, because you're motivating your partner into investing most of the romantic chemistry they have into you. This is a better risk to have than a bunch of partners that can only give you back the fractions you have to split with them, because individually, they're less likely to feel attached to you. If one tries to leave you and therefore, risk more complications with the raising of your offspring, it's quite likely that more of them would do the same. Because you have to watch all these babies made by all the women you even have left, that is going to age you faster than a milk left in the sun because of the heightened stress levels that come with being a parent. A parent that dies earlier than their child needs is not going to be as useful as a parent that is still alive to help you when needed. Furthering your survival odds because of less siblings to sour your development. So it's really as if scrotes who would stoop so low to break the bond of a woman pregnant with their child have their brain wiring quite wrong for our species. Why this nonsense seems to exist against our reproductive biology, I really don't know.
No. 2540135
>>2539996Liz is such a phony, her life is a disaster even though she's always giving other women advice.
She sold her virginity in Dubai to pay for all her ugly plastic surgery that makes her look like Voldemort, then she dumped her loving bf, and got with some mid white scrote because 'white moids treat us
woc better!' or some shit, then he cheats on her. Kek what a stupid bitch.
No. 2540140
>>2539996You have to be
significantly retarded to cheat on a woman when she fogs you to the seventh layer of hell lol. Why would you do that?
No. 2540149
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>>2539996I knew giga stacy Sheraseven was always right
No. 2540153
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>>2540147and im pretty sure she bought her OWN 100k wedding ring? if im wrong someone please correct me.
even then, i blame the hideous looking demonic ogre more than i blame liz. i dont know what shes going to do with the baby. it would kill me inside knowing i have to take care of a child thats linked to this autistic looking faggot for the rest of my life
No. 2540212
>>2540190>>2540125It's pretty obvious what the problem is here imo. Humans were obviously never meant to live in huge settlements or have so much choice of partners.
It's obvious that men were meant to see maybe a handful of non related females in their whole lives, and even those women would mostly be partners of his brothers or whatever, so they would be considered off limits too.
Problem nowadays is the world is so overpopulated and we have the internet and porn and dating apps too, that everyone is spoiled and men have too much opportunity to cheat.
No. 2540219
>>2540125I've been reading about the history of my own people. Pretty much every ancient account of them says they lived in weird 'polycules' (kek) where all the women were shared among all the men, sons would inherit fathers wives after they died, and basically nobody belonged to anyone in particular except the 'clan'.
And the paternity of children would be mostly uncared about and unknown, they would just be assumed part of the clan by default and maybe assigned to vaguely belong to whatever tribe of whatever mom they came out of.
That system honestly sounds like my personal hell though, especially since I'm SUPER monogamous and literally dont even look at or think about another moid when I'm in love, nor would I ever want to be 'shared'. It's so weird to me that my ancestors lived like that.
And doesnt make much sense to me because even in a group setting I think it's very normal for both men and women to pick their 'favorite' and then pair off together.
No. 2540221
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>>2539996Unfortunately she doesn't believe what she preaches. Watch her stay in relationship woth this rat or quickly hop onto new one.
No. 2540224
>>2540153I don't blame Liz and honestly it's terribly sad what's happened to her. I don't know how she's going to cope with it. Her only option is to stay with the cheating scrote or be a single mom (and maybe try to find someone else later, which isn't easy as a single mother).
This is sadly always the end product of these 'seduction guidesses' and 'how to keep your man' 'experts'.
Her methodology was clearly 'get plastic surgery so you look hot, and hopefully he wont cheat' but far too many of us know how this ends.
At least if she had actually waited until after marriage for the baby, she could have divorced him and taken half his shit (if he even has any)
She's played right into the scrotes hands, now she's stuck raising his smeglet for the next 18 years, probably on her own too.
What a load of effort and fuss for nothing.
Meanwhile there's plain Jane women who have loyal loving attractive husbands who take care of the kids well, and don't need to resort to bimbofying themselves in order to get it.
No. 2540226
>>2540221Behind every plastic bimbo influencer 'girlboss' is a scared, scrotum lifting pickme.
Plastic surgery is always a sign of deep rooted soul wounds, and getting your nose shaved down or lips filled will never heal that. Moids can sniff the insecurity.
No. 2540241
>>2540227I really don't know nona but honestly it's a fascinating topic to me.
In regards to my 'clan' I assume that women were basically still 'property' at that time and so our wants and needs probably were not really taken into account.
But it's also incredibly weird to me because I would assume the natural revulsion most men have towards being cucked would also override this social order? But apparently it was widespread all over Europe. I don't get it.
I read a lot about history and biology in my spare time and am still stumped by it all. Why are men and women so fundamentally incompatible in so many ways, for a species that was supposed to cohabit and evolve together? I wish I had an answer.
No. 2540244
>>2540221“im shocked but please dont hurt him”
??? i want to empathize with liz , but why is she still sticking up for this disgusting twink?
theres so much women who still defend men after they do messed up shit, and its ironic because he wouldnt be as forgiving if SHE had cheated on him.
No. 2540245
>>2540242nta but liz has talked about her home life and it sounds horrible. her mother was a beautiful turbopickme who got with the worst scrote in their village.
liz had an incredibly
abusive father who would beat her mother, drag her and her sisters by their hair, beat their mentally disabled brother for saying quran verses 'wrongly', stole all his disability check money to send back to his own family etc etc. i assume liz has a shit ton of childhood trauma and so probably got with the first moid who acted nicely towards her.
No. 2540256
>>2540248yep. i actually cried while watching that video with her and her sister talking about their childhood.
she must have deleted it but someone uploaded it. a lot of depressing shit.
landon seems like a generic spoiled scrote brat.
No. 2540258
>>2540235I think being a terminally offline turbonormie attracts other terminally offline men who are for the most part more well adjusted and normal.
>>2540245Moids will take out their war trauma on their families so often and it's so fucked up to see. I have friends who have gone through very similar situations in regards to their home life.
No. 2540268
>>2540227>one guy at a timeHumans are biologically meant to mate until life. There's only
one, not
one at a time.
No. 2540290
>>2540256Moids really be like
>aight imma take this woman with severe childhood trauma and add betrayal trauma to her psyche on top of it all by cheating on her while she's pregnantIf this isn't proof that men are ontologically evil then idk what is.
No. 2540294
>>2539996Pregnancy and nursing is actually the point at which a woman in a straight relationship is
most likely to be cheated on, since she isn't as sexually available to her boyfriend/husband and men are selfish little shits who throw temper tantrums when all of the attention is on the pregnant woman and/or her baby instead of them. Same reason why pregnancy is also the most common time for AGPs to troon out. Men in the situation are like petulant children, acting out the second they aren't the center of attention.
No. 2540298
>>2540296NTA and correct me if I'm wrong, but don't even those animals that 'mate for life' also usually engage in sex with others on the side too? So they are not actually genuinely monogamous pairings. I don't actually think genuine monogamy has ever been demonstrated in any mammal so far.
The only male species that don't display the Coolidge effect/preference for novel mates are some species of cricket. It's that bleak, lul.
No. 2540303
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Female crickets are the true Stacies.
All other species of moids are manwhores.
No. 2540305
>>2540298>don't even those animals that 'mate for life' also usually engage in sex with others on the side tooNo, I don't think so.
>I don't actually think genuine monogamy has ever been demonstrated in any mammal so far. Humans.
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>>2540305Sorry nona but you are wrong. Most animals that 'mate for life' are still not sexually exclusive.
There are some exceptions though.
No. 2540320
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>>2540296Gibbons mate in a way similar to humans, where they will often choose one mate and keep that mate for a really long time, but they will occasionally "divorce" and find a different mate if necessary.
>>2540298 is right that some animals (including Gibbons in this case) will sometimes randomly copulate with other individuals, though they still have one "mate" they are actually committed to and raise young with.
No. 2540327
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>this is the guy Liz decided to have impregnate her
seems kind of ratchet not even gonna lie
No. 2540360
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>>2540327I don't know how any woman could get turned on by a guy who is a gamer, let alone a guy who has a gaming YouTube channel. It almost feels like pedophilia with how manchild they are.
No. 2540364
>>2540348You'd love the chadification threads.
>>2540358Wanting to fuck a handsome male is not autoandrophilia but crossdressing as a moid and getting turned on by being seen as a moid is, and has nothing to do with these threads.
No. 2540381
>>2540378No I'm not lol. I guess this answers my question on niche psychology
>>2540364I'm well aware of those threads
No. 2540391
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>>2540327he's got that faggot phenotype
No. 2540396
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>>2540384Whatever you say anon
No. 2540398
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>>2540391Honestly what was she thinking.
No. 2540416
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>>2540398how much do you wanna bet the reason liz fried her lovely natural shiny dark hair by bleaching it that brassy piss blonde is because he was following blonde tiktok thots and she was trying to keep his attention? i feel like i see this in so many women with relationship insecurity and its sad.
No. 2540433
>>2540427This. A lot of women underestimate just how psychologically vicious and sadistic men are towards women.
Porn use, cheating etc is often intentionally used by men to hurt their gfs and ruin her self esteem so she stays with him.
No. 2540438
>>2540391>>2540398uncanny resemblence, from the ugly eyes to the recessed chin, even the big ears and the egg head shape.
Its amazing
No. 2540485
>>2537892Because you can't verbalize objective parameters for which your brain filters precognitive.
>>2537903Your definition of traits being objective is fucked up. You are not talking about laws of nature. If there were objective beauty like you think then whatever creature had the most beauty traits would be considered mating material for everything else. It's like moid porn fiction
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Made me laugh my ass off
No. 2540524
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>>2540221>moid stalks you for months online>then uses that knowledge to stalk you irl, conveniently meeting and recognizing you with a mask and sunglasses on, claiming it's fate or whatever>get together with said psycho moid who's also painfully below your league, because he promises you everything he saw you mentioning in your channel>start focusing your content around moid because you're so satisfied and in love>ratman moid even pretends to convert to your religion for you and essentially enters an engagement >ratman moid gets you pregnant >ratman moid attempts to cheat on pregnant you RIGHT after the abortion deadline of your country, while all your shit is also at his place >attempts to cheat on you with a fan, just to rub some extra spite in>oh no pls don't be mean to him, i still love him broken heart emojiJust tragic. Even with the option to move countries to get an abortion, she will most likely keep the child and end up despising it once the denial stage passes.
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>>2539996She should call the Pryo Stacy tbh
No. 2540844
I don’t know if anyone else has seen this, but there’s a trend on tiktok right now where women are showing their much younger male partners, and the comments are full of women agreeing that young men are better looking, that older men aren’t more mature than young men, and saying that they’re lowering their age limit.
Not saying that the specific guy in this video is good looking or anything, but it’s at least becoming more accepted for women to date younger men, it’s a step in the right direction.
No. 2540897
>>2540149And yet she still shills ugly walled moids. This is the
UGLY man psyop, not fds general.
No. 2540902
>>2539333I have two brothers. One is a massive manwhore and the other isn’t. My manwhore brother is aging much more quickly but I don’t know if he’s also using drugs or something.
>>2539524Very unfortunate that this post was redtexted, it’s important and truthful information. This viewpoint is extremely important to the mentioned people, why is it then wrong for us to point it out?
No. 2540910
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The kind of comments I see under the videos regarding the Wizard Liz situation are making me kek
The cope never ends, these women are so psyopped it's unreal.
No. 2540916
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>>2540910From another video. I'm inclined to believe this, scrotes are insane enough to do that.
No. 2540925
>>2539875It's because they see that kind of attention from women as emasculating, which is ironic when getting women lusting after you should be what you want as straight male. A lot of men genuinely don't like being actually attractive to women even though lots of them constantly whine about lacking female attention, because they see it as submitting and pandering to us if they actually make themselves a pretty sex object or lean into those aesthetics. They only want to be attractive on their terms and also to other men, so they'll uglify themselves on purpose and only work towards making themselves attractive in ways most women aren't even into, like having a big beard or working out more than their bros or something.
They're like women who purposefully make themselves uglier to ward off male attention except the women have
valid reasons for not wanting the male attention, like past sexual traumas, men being more predatory towards women and stronger in general, rejecting societal standards that treat looks as their only value, and so on, even if becoming ugly still won't fully save them from men since men fuck anything if given the chance. While men have no
valid reasons for doing this except just being retarded and thinking pleasing women makes them a faggot.
They talk about how much they wish they could be female since it'd be so easy to be objectified but if they get lusted after by women as a pretty boy they get scared and try to ruin themselves even faster to run away from that attention. They don't understand why women dislike being objectified, but if they get even slightly sexualized as a male they can't take it even though they swear they would love it if women complimented and sexualized them. Like yeah most ugly men would love that sure but only if they got to stay ugly and didn't have to actually put any effort into their looks or didn't have to try to look good for women.
No. 2541322
>>2540910I feel bad for her because now she’s going to be a single mom to an ugly loser’s kid but she’s obviously not very smart and her fans are incredibly stupid. This man wasn’t a genius plotting on her, he was a dumb horny man trying to get his dick wet. He’s not any more cunning and conniving than men who pretend to be feminists in order to get pussy (which is literally most men who aren’t openly conservative). Her deciding to get pregnant by him with no legal contract to fall back on was incredibly naive and shows that her whole “dark feminine” thing is a grift and that she’s not a good judge of character.
Even now her fans are saying “she’ll only emerge stronger and find a REAL man!!1!” why do so many women online think that the most aspirational thing in the world is to be a housewife? Her fans also saying shit like “I knew he wasn’t right for Liz because he’s ugly” every single hypergamy influencer online is either perpetually single or with an ugly guy, I’ve seen 0 cases where they’re with a hot, rich guy that adores them lmao
No. 2541360
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No. 2541530
>>2533665Late but tbf Natalia Vodianova is the rare exception where it is almost 100% certain to be for the money, her current husband is one of the heirs to the world's richest family and her ex husband was similar (an heir to a property empire). Russian models usually get that job because they are poor teenagers trying to feed their families and then are shopped out to rich businessmen as minors so it doesn't surprise me a model who came from poverty would marry some ultra-rich guy since that's probably what she was groomed to do since her teens. And she's at least married 2 of the richest moids in the world unlike tradthots who marry some plumber or electrician or something 'for his money' lol. As for celebrities who are independently wealthy like Selena though, I have literally no idea. I will never understand why they marry/date fugly literal-who moids. If I had a 700mil net worth I would not even care how wealthy the moids I dated were I'd just be looking for hot, doting, good personality, and younger kek. Like obviously not some good-for-nothing broke NEET but money would be last on my list of concerns, just don't get married and he can't leech off you at the divorce.
>>2540925Yeah other moids also work double-time to sabotage actually attractive moids by telling them they're effeminate, seem gay, etc. Especially moids that take care of their appearance on purpose by dressing well, having good hair and good hygiene. Anything to drag down their competition.
>>2541322Idk why anyone is surprised a female influencer with a boatload of plastic surgery and a traumatic past who made an entire career out of 'relationship advice' made bad relationship decisions. People who are naturally good at staying out of bad relationships don't make entire careers out of obsessing over dating. FDS/'relationship' influencers are usually women with very low self esteem and bad relationship history who are trying to find a way out of getting clocked as vulnerable by user moids but unfortunately moids can still sniff this out and take advantage of them. Actual 'stacies' don't think about dating and relationships very much and just live their lives, mostly avoiding the worst men accidentally by having their own priorities and not taking well to lovebombing and other manipulative strategies. I feel bad for her but I don't think it's smart for women to listen to female 'relationship influencers' for the same reason it's retarded for men to listen to PUAs and Andrew Tate types - the people who make this type of content probably aren't happy and together people. You'd probably get better advice by just literally asking your most happy and carefree irl friend.
>why do so many women online think that the most aspirational thing in the world is to be a housewife?As for this I think it's because the economy sucks right now and people staring down the barrel of thankless bullshit jobs that barely pay for their housing and food are just looking for an out. I don't think women genuinely want to be housewives because they think it would be fulfilling any more than they did 30 years ago, I just think their job prospects look more and more hopeless so they want to find a way out of that and see moids talking about how they want to be 'providers' and are like oh, that's my ticket out of this hell! Unfortunately provider moids who didn't treat women like slaves were always rare even back when one income could raise a family comfortably, which isn't even true anymore so there's basically no benefit to seeking that lifestyle.
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>>2541360I had to make this demonstration. Note: I slanted the top line downwards to be generous and his eyes STILL are miles of asymmetrical
No. 2541606
>>2541584I don't know any housewives of my generation (even the young moms I know work part-time in 'real' jobs and intend to return to full-time work once their kids go to school, I know one homeschooler mom but she still works part time) except for some high school friends I see on social media but don't keep up with personally so I'm not sure how common it actually is, but whenever I heard friends say it would be nice to be a housewife they usually made it clear it was for economic reasons/because they hate their work. I only see the divine feminine type rhetoric online and I always assume it's someone with a fucked up relationship/family history who lacks confidence in herself, and I agree it comes off as annoying and pathetic. I used to hang out on r/GC and actively got in fights with the mods there because they put FDS as a 'sister sub' and kept encouraging FDSers to post on what was supposed to be a radical feminist subreddit with their weird vindicta feminine energy shit, it always seemed antithetical to feminism to me but I got in a personal angry spat with the Ovarit admin over it kek and she hated me ever since and booted me off Ovarit kek. I really struggle to understand how FDS wormed its way into 'radfem' spaces because, like you said, it's pathetic and involves punching down on career women and GNC women.
I share your experience that most of the successful women I know irl are more educated/career-oriented while the housewives I still have on social media from high school were dropouts or barely passed high school, often on the less attractive side and really just didn't have good life prospects which is how they ended up being housewives. Some of the educated/successful women I know have said in confidence that they sort of wish they could be housewives though because they find their jobs thankless and meaningless, but most are aware of what men are like and don't want to lose their independence so it's just a daydream, and most of them say if they were housewives they would use it to try to start their own businesses or get into creative careers.
No. 2541621
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Say what you want about emos, but i feel like that was the last time i have seen moids put actual effort intheir appearance
No. 2541641
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>>2541360Gooooood why is this happening
No. 2541657
>>2541408Her """fetish""" is being seen as cute and smol and having a big ugly husband is the only way she's going to get a lot of people saying that about her since she's pretty average.
I don't believe for a second she's genuinely sexually attracted to fat fucks. Women are not paraphilic like that except in very rare exceptions. Vain, insecure women are a dime a dozen though, and they will date unattractive or old men in order to feel attractive and youthful in comparison, to get praised for it by people who think standards are shallow, to feel more secure in a relationship where she thinks she has leverage. This one is just taking it to the extreme, and social media is a great way to get the validation of "omg but you're so pretty and thin why would you marry him".
No. 2541661
>>2541584I know a bunch of successful attractive men and they are all married to successful attractive women who are doctors, lawyers, vets, etc. The vast, vast majority of high quality + successful men want a quality and successful woman.
Even the 'trophy wives' of rich or famous men, almost always have a degree, have/had their own career, even if it was just a small name model or something. The number of attractive successful wealthy men who want a stay at home loser neet gf with no further education is close to zero.
Men also tend to get very resentful of supporting their wife over time especially if she isn't doing anything academically or career wise, even those trophy soccer mom types usually end up becoming estate agents or at least doing something to try and keep up with their husbands. Any man who wants a stay at home loser wife who does nothing is usually some kind of insecure and mentally ill control freak.
No. 2541663
>>2541653A lot of my female peers have similar stories (it's not really 'the exception' that women who chose to stay at home often rationalize their decision and convince themselves it was the right decision) and also many of my female peers whose moms worked have a somewhat opposite impression where they say they wish their mom was around more and her job seemed to make her miserable, so I don't think it's that unusual actually. Most moms who chose to stay at home won't tell their kids 'I regret prioritizing spending time with you' because it would make their kids feel really bad and many women who worked end up thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence and openly telling their kids they wish they'd spent more time with them even if in actual fact they likely would have been more miserable.
I know that from a selfish perspective of having a good childhood it was good for ME that my mom stayed at home with me, since she was 100x smarter than any of my teachers and I ended up very precocious and enriched and it led to me getting a great education, so I kind of 'get it' but on the other hand seeing the struggles my mom had as a SAHM I never wanted to be one (or even to have children) myself. But if I did have kids for whatever reason I still think I would avoid staying at home. On the other hand women I know whose moms worked often say that if they have kids they want to stay at home with them at least during elementary school because they think their moms working gave them attachment issues and abandonment issues. It's just too simplistic to say 'anyone can ask their mom and clearly determine that women should stay employed' especially since the grass is greener mentality is very common for everyone no matter how they grew up; kids with overbearing SAHM helicopter parents often think their childhood would be happier if their parents were out working and vice versa. People whose parents stayed together and seem to love each other are lucky, but those people will assume moids are more trustworthy than they actually (on average) are, etc.
No. 2541686
>>2541606Antifeminist trad housewives who hate career women unfortunately do exist outside of the internet, but you’re more likely to come across them if you live in a very religious community- it sounds like the women you know are pretty normal and not sucked into that ideology. I know lots of college-aged girls from Muslim and Christian (often Hispanic or Midwestern white) and weird New Age hippie communities who have lots of resources and support in their academic careers but want to get married instead of getting degrees because of what they’ve learned from FDS influencers. I don’t expect everyone I meet to be a radical feminist, get married and have kids if that’s what you want, but at least have your own earning potential as well. That’s why these influencers frustrate me so much.
>>2541661Exactly correct. The idea of “I’m young and cute, I bet I could find a rich husband!!” is a completely outlandish Cinderella fantasy. Most men who are worth being with don’t want a neet wife and if he got one he would end up resenting her over time since he has to work twice as hard since she doesn’t work at all. He would certainly never view or treat her like an equal which leads to cheating and abuse. But somehow both men and pick mes make these shitty marriages out to be the fault of feminists lmao
No. 2541767
>>2541660Being critical toward the 'everyone needs to get married and have children' view is a good thing but you're responding to a post that literally just said 'there's nothing wrong with wanting to have children' which is true. It does come off as obnoxious blackpill shit to insist we must all hate and look down upon mothers, especially since all of us have one and many of us probably love her. Also it's definitely not a heteropatriarchal construct that women want offspring sometimes, unless you think all other animals have a heteropatriarchy.
>>2541657Yeah by fetish I guess more accurately you could say it's something like an autosexuality where she is turned on by seeing herself a certain way, rather than a fetish for ogre moids which I doubt many women actually have. Idgi because I feel ugly all the time but it does not at all make me want to attract or be seen next to hideous ogre men; in fact my boyfriend is 'objectively more attractive than me' by most common standards and I'm glad that when people see me out with him they're probably like 'oh she's based having a hot boyfriend' instead of 'oh at least she's prettier than that hideous beast.'
No. 2541786
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Adriana Lima with her cheating Neanderthal ex husband. This is disheartening
No. 2541789
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Males can look good if they actually tried like most women do
Normalize skincare, medspa treatments, hair restoration/loss prevention, pretty maxxing for men
No. 2541796
>>2541661Sadly I think this is the part that many low-SES/less educated women don't get about the SAHM/feminine energy grift. The high-SES moids who can afford a 'kept woman' almost certainly are dating and marrying women of a similar social class and education level, so the women who actually have a realistic option to stay at home with kids and still live a relatively comfortable life style are still in 95% of cases doing so after establishing a career and getting a great education. Due to where I went to school most of my female friends are of this 'class' and funny enough all of them are working even though some have boyfriends/husbands who could theoretically support them and still have an exceptionally comfortable lifestyle. Some are even trust fundies who don't need to work a day in their lives due to their trust fund but still work in demanding careers, even the ones with children.
It's understandable but sad and ironic that women from worse backgrounds with lower education tend to be the ones most invested in being SAHMs/housewives when their dating pool are not men willing to support them staying at home in most cases. But I don't entirely blame these women for wanting that, because I think they don't really realize how things work with high-SES/upper(middle)class people and how they pair up. They've been fed a lot of lies about how things used to be in the 1950s or whatever and think they can just find some electrician or HVAC worker moid who will be happy to support them (even though these moids tend to start resenting their wives/gfs for staying at home and not 'helping out' kek) or they think that just on the basis of being pretty and 'in their feminine receiver energy' they can land some doctor or lawyer moid who doesn't care if they have a job. Those moids don't want to bring a high school graduate barista home to their parents though.
>>2541686First AYRT and you're correct, I don't live in a religious community and I have a good education so I don't really come across the type of woman you're talking about very often. I mean I know plenty of women from high school or college who aren't rich and have shit jobs but they're still not the type to actively want to be SAHMs for the most part even if the economy makes their job prospects shit relative to their education. I do hear my female friends daydreaming about it but in a very theoretical 'wouldn't that be nice' manner, not seriously considering it. I think it's really sad that FDS, which at least originally had some potential to teach women common sense tips on avoiding loser moids, has turned into this weird sprinkle sprinkle turn yourself into a prostitute by another name and relax in your feminine essence mentality. Some of the tips on online dating they give (or used to give) are reasonable, but it seems to have turned into another Phyllis Schlafly type self-help movement.
>Most men who are worth being with don’t want a neet wife and if he got one he would end up resenting her over time since he has to work twice as hard since she doesn’t work at all. Exactly correct. I think some of these men would be happy to support their wives through a SAHM phase temporarily if it's for the good of the child or the family finances or whatever but most moids don't understand how hard it is to be a SAHM and will lose respect for their wives if they don't go back into work or education eventually. Most of them are looking for women with careers and education in the first place, because they're looking for someone they view as an equal or even a better. Only creepy controlling moids want a financially helpless/unstable, uneducated woman for the most part, because she's easier to abuse and control.
>>2541697This isn't true. Roughly half or more than half of men cheat but not all of them. Yes men cheat on beautiful and famous women but moids who seek out vulnerable, easy to control women are more likely by far to be cheaters. And if you have a job and education or money saved up and you get cheated on, at least you can easily leave. The worst case scenario is that a moid is a serial cheater but also controls all your finances so you have to stay with him.
No. 2541849
>>2541841No, she called someone an NLOG for saying
>Dumb pickme bitch. Imagine willingly getting pregnant in this day and age.Which is definitely an NLOG take. She didn't even say anything about 'the nuclear family' (which family structure exactly do you think it is more feminist to support? Polygyny?) she just ragged on women who get pregnant and have babies, which is most women and will continue to be most women. Part of the implicit purpose of this thread is to convince women to date (and possibly have children with) genetically higher-quality males; there's a blackpill thread for blackpill sentiment elsewhere where you can shit on all mothers to your heart's content.
No. 2541853
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>>2541838
>Lip filler
>Accutane or Rx retinoids
>Jaw filler
>Nose job
>Eyebrow shaping + makeup to hide asymmetry
>Some sun and actual nutrients to fix the corpse skin and dark eyes
>Haircut and product
>Filter
Average effort many women already put into themselves
No. 2541887
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>>2541877I'm against plastic surgery for women.
Males however need to fix the thousands of years of compulsory dysgenic uglyman psyop breeding they've inflicted upon the human species.
Pic related, the beauty of nature when males can't rape and have to rely on good DNA and talent to breed.
No. 2541901
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>>2541887Go build me a hut scrote!
No. 2541913
>>2541886Lol okay so then feminism can't exist because it is anti-humanity. Go to blackpill thread, why are you in a thread about men being attractive or not?
>>2541887The problem with moids choosing to 'fix' the thousands of years of dysgenic uglyman breeding with plastic surgery is that they will still pass on their bad genes to offspring, therefore they're just tricking women into reproducing with them on false pretences. If you want to start breeding dysgenic genes out of the species you have to start with knowing what moids look like naturally otherwise it's impossible.
>>2541898Surprisingly I'm not sure if moids all know women like prettyboys. You'd think they would but a lot of moids hang out in moid-dominant echo chambers and friend groups and genuinely think women prefer 'masculine' men. On some deeper subconscious level they probably know, but social conditioning is strong for men as well as women. Not denying the types of moids you're describing exist, but most of the moids I've seen go down the uglification path do so because they listened to other (higher status, in most cases) males who tried to fuck them over by convincing themselves they seem gay and won't attract women being pretty.
>>2541912The moids into ugly bastard are for the most part ugly bastards themselves, it's not like naturally pretty attractive men are naturally drawn to that. It's just a mating strategy for subpar moids - the whole alpha/beta schtick is a reality-inversion where the actual 'beta' moids (those with bad genes, who women naturally don't want to mate with) have used the media and social pressure due to their superior numbers to invert reality and trick the actual 'alpha' moids into thinking they are 'betas.'
No. 2542001
>>2541853Damn I want to know what he did to fix his dark circles
so I can do it myself kek. It's not just the filter, right?
No. 2542041
>>2541767I don't hate mothers I just pity them in the way that I would pity a drug addict who ruined their own life with their terrible decision making. Letting a moid impregnate you is the ultimate act of submission and masochism (you are literally scarred/marked for life, stuck with his seed for 18+ years, have to go through the most painful process known to humans, and also risk your health and nerf your own future dating/sexual options) that's why it's so fetishized by right wing scrotes and pickmes and also one of the most emphasized parts of every single patriarchal religion and culture designed to keep women in their place (
abusive men also literally use pregnancy as a control/abuse tactic). Pregnancy is cucked, no one is stopping you getting pregnant, just be honest and admit it's a pathetic thing to do to oneself and then we can be done with it.
No. 2542054
>>2542050Okay glad you said this nonna because I was the poster above
>>2541801 who wasn't sure if it's even the same moid, he has like no features in common other than a similar general face shape.
No. 2542135
>>2542132It's not actually a food offering, bowerbirds just decorate nests to make them pretty to attract mates because the female birds will choose the male bird with the best artistic masterpiece kek. Human males could never.
>>2542125I think a lot of young men do care about appearance (especially if they are naturally attractive) until other moids start sabotaging them and dragging them down for being too attractive. Then the sheer force of male peer pressure makes most of them cave and try to uglify themselves.
No. 2542221
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>>2542204>men didn't evolve anything to impress usThey evolved big dicks
No. 2542354
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>>2542319The other day I was scrolling reels and some fat non binary comedian was making jokes about her dream being asked out by Pedro Pascal. I get so infuriated hearing him bought up casually. I know i shouldn’t chimp rage so hard but the ugly male psyop is insidious and evil.
Honestly he should be the face of this thread in a degrading way, he is the current face of the psyop. Look at this ridiculous creature they’ve memed women into wanting. You’ve got to laugh really.
No. 2542409
>>2542405Who does and in what way? Why post this extreme vaguepost
>>2542354The fact his stylists are leaning into this 1970s musician look so hard that was popularized by thin, fit 20-something year old men is really embarrassing. The clunky shoes and hands in pocket would look acceptable for an 18 year old, not a grandpa.
No. 2542441
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What i mean by anons being delusional about relationships is that a lot of anons here want the princess fairytale of mutually falling deeply in love with a scrote when that is not the reality, see
>>2540427>>2540433>>2540435and picrel. Moids are just barely human. They are never satisfied with anything you give them, doesn't matter the "quality" or quantity of it. The thing with moids is that they are set on the belief they are superior to women vs they absolutely hate women more than anything else. I would say both can exist but which one is dominant over the other?
No. 2542447
>>2542441Some people do really fall in love, most don't. Idk what's delusional about wanting something relatively rare. I also want a house, and I want to not go grey until I turn like 50-60, even though both are unlikely overall too. I also want my dream job, but lol I'm not likely to get it. I don't see the point in guilting and shaming people for wanting something that's not statistically very likely.
I also think the idea that no man is capable of 'real' love is kind of retarded and naive, but if women want to embrace this idea to stop themselves from focusing on men I think it's absolutely fine. I don't use weird heuristics to try to pretend things I know to be untrue so it's not for me, but it's as good a generalization to make as any for some women who like operating off generalizations.
No. 2542450
>>2542135>the female birds will choose the male bird with the best artistic masterpiece kek. Human males could neverMeanwhile, human males couldn't even draw their girlfriends or wives with some grace when that "draw your partner" challenge happened on tiktok. I don't give a flying fuck if a scrote has never drawn before in his life, if he draws his wife or girlfriend downright
ugly, I would personally dump him just for that.
No. 2542465
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I hate pop fantasy moids who hate "elves" it's fucking annoying and gay, it's obvious that elves are a stand in for attractive people while they insert as the bearded, short, beer drinking "chad" dwarves and it's super gay and they're just admitting they don't understand the lore of the series they're parodying
No. 2542469
>>2542450Loll I never saw this challenge, but I can't say I'm surprised.
>>2542465God this is embarrassing.
>The chad (ugly fantasy race that lives underground and never sees the sun) and the virgin (hot, smart, lives forever) fantasy race!Did incels forget what their own terminology means?
No. 2542472
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>>2542465Male elf hate is annoying and I also hate the weird fascination with dwarfs from envious men but the elf bf one just seems to be the inverse of another pic he did with a dwarf couple.Comes off as dumb lighthearted joshing than anything.
No. 2542509
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>>2542465kek the "chad dwarf" is such a cope. Male elves will always be superior
No. 2542522
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>>2542509speaking of link, apparently vaush had "femboy" porn of him alongside loli's and ai horse porn, this was him talking about the latter
No. 2542525
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>>25424659/11 for guys who make these kinda comics just happened
No. 2542561
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>>2542525>Height filterKEK
No. 2542688
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>>2542635The stupidest thing is that I didn't even say anything at all about his height or shame him about it, I had dated shorter men in the past and was gonna let it go and try to have a pleasant time, but he ruined the vibes by instantly making a bunch of weird rude negging comments about how tall I was. They way they self-sabotage due to their own manlet insecurity complexes is insane, first they feel the need to lie, then they feel the need to externalize their shame about lying by lashing out once their height has inevitably been discovered. I guess it often works with shorter women because if you're like 5'3 or whatever the average female height is you might not be able to tell the difference just at a glance between a 5'10 and 5'11 moid but when I'm at eye level with them roughly it makes it super obvious kek.
No. 2542701
>>2542693Kek what are the conversations like?
Also sorry
>>2542645 I meant to respond to you with the bike spokes post I just accidentally responded to myself instead.
No. 2542715
>>2542703NTA but it is my personal experience that makes me think (know) mutually loving relationships exist. I have seen several people now get to the end of their lives in very happy, mutually loving marriages (in my family) and have also witnessed several more extremely happy mutually loving marriages (involving a lot of sacrifice) of people who are now in their late 50s to mid 60s (parents'/uncles'/aunts' generation). I do think they are rare and I think they're becoming more rare as the younger generations become porn-brained and learn to hate women and fry their dopamine receptors from a young age, but I'm going to look at the actual life experiences I have when deciding what I think is true over what some 25 year old on the internet has to say (no offense to anynonna, I do think anons here make very good points overall and often give good advice but I'll still take my own life experiences over anonymous opinions). I think the opinions of very online people can be skewed a bit by how much internet discourse (on reddit, male imgboards, etc) by moids is skewed toward really mentally fucked porn addict NEET misogynist men, and of course if you check the news you'll always find the most horrifying stories.
I think desperately trying to 'make it work' or hunt down some unicorn moid is a total lost cause though, moids can sniff out desperation most of the time and if you yourself are desperate for a relationship you will lower your standards. It's always best to be happy with your own life and let good relationships develop if you happen to be lucky, otherwise not take moids too seriously. Having high self esteem yourself and a satisfying life without needing a moid will protect you against a lot of the worst mistreatment although nothing can ever protect you entirely.
No. 2542747
>>2542729I think we probably have the same definition. None of the relationships I'm talking about involved much sacrifice from the woman's side, I think a prerequisite of a good relationship is that the man tries harder. When women try harder they just get walked all over. To clarify what I meant by sacrifice, my family comes from a poor country that had an oppressive political regime and the men in my family due to the oppressive (and non-preventable) circumstances usually sacrificed a lot for their wives and children when they had to, and never regretted it or acted the least bit unhappy about it. Moids who treat women terribly usually start to do so once something happens that causes them additional life stress/responsibilities (like illness, family drama, pregnancies, job losses, etc.) but in the relationships I'm talking about the men were unfazed by things like that happening and continued to put their wives first. But I agree this is kind of OT. The way it's related I guess is that none of the men in the relationships I'm thinking of were ugly, insecure or desperate - they all had high self esteem, good work ethic, and high standards for themselves. You're never going to convince a moid to be better through love sacrifices or whatever, you get what you get so there's no point even trying to fix or help men.
No. 2542778
>>2541796>think they can just find some electrician or HVAC worker moid who will be happy to support themthat reminds me of something I read recently on the atlantic. In line with your observations, college educated, high-SES moids are marrying other college educated, high SES women. Meanwhile, successful, high-SES but non college educated moids… are also marrying college educated women. They literally cited HVAC techs and electricians lol.
>And that’s both because earnings have declined for this group of men, but, also, college women are now marrying the kind of HVAC technician, the person who owns the local electrician business, and so on. And that’s kind of eaten into the pool of relatively well-earning non-college men.https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/04/the-problem-of-finding-a-marriageable-man/682613/ No. 2542784
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>>2539996I literally had no idea who she was until today and I am shocked she has so many followers, most whom I assume are young women. I did some reading about her and this shitshow.
She seems like a fake to me and I don't understand how a woman who would actually preach what she does would fall for a gross rat like that dude. So she's a fake to me.
I watched a video of them and seriously, what the hell? He is like a wet piece of bread. Absolutely insane she fell for him.
>does anyone think it was a purposeful long con from himIt's about ego, the rat wanted to boost his ego by capturing and destroying her, since she is so idolized by many women and has a big presence online. Men are just like that. They don't give a shit how attractive the woman is, they enjoy the "hunt" the most. Hence why they cheat, they got their prey, onto fresh new meat.
>>2540030>>2540149Is shera the sprinkle sprinkle lady? Honestly based. Having dealt with a bunch of men, most of that advice is 100% true.
>>2540524>RIGHT after the abortion deadline of your countrythis is the worst thing out of all, she could have at least aborted but she can't anymore
I've seen some reddit posts complaining about how vile he is for cheating on her when she's pregnant etc. This rat planned EVERYTHING. Everything so she couldn't break free, this includes abortion.
And he did everything to boost his own fucking ego: look at this famous woman and how I have her wrapped around my finger.
If the girls are still following her after this fiasco, they're hopeless.
pic related, this dumbass rat posted this on his ig story apparently, along with other snippets of his convo with that other woman, probably thinking he'll come off as the
victim, he kept telling her he's not married hahahaha and do you want to meet up? his writing style is retarded, I feel like I lost braincells just by reading these
No. 2542808
>>2542778I read something similar to this a year or two ago, I think since a lot more women are going to college than men, college-educated women's dating pool is starting to include the upper end of the blue collar/tradie workforce. I don't actually think your average electrician is stupider than your average college educated moid anyway, and at least he can make himself useful, but an early-career salary in the trades often won't be comfortable income for an entire family in this day and age even if it's better than many other jobs so women who don't intend to ever work are delusional if they think they're likely to have a comfy life with a man who has one of those types of jobs. Maybe once he's in his 40s-50s and starts his own business, maybe. Anyway it's just a fantasy that won't/can't come true for a majority of women.
>>2542784Same nonna I didn't know who she was until yesterday and I also am surprised women are taking 'dark triad' FDS-type dating advice from this obviously highly insecure botched woman. The dude is obviously a predator who dated her because of some chip on his shoulder but I'm not sure what about her screamed smart and good at giving relationship advice to begin with. I feel really bad for her but I also think young women should learn from this and stop taking stupid advice from crazy insecure influencer women.
>Is shera the sprinkle sprinkle lady?Yes. Personally I don't like her because she basically tells women to whore themselves out (but in a conservative marriage context instead of the typical OF context), she's at least a bit more realistic about what moids are like than the Liz woman though.
No. 2542822
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I wanted to watch a video on youtube, but then i saw this hideous looking goblin in the corner. Men should be more ashamed of how they look and not show their face jesus christ
No. 2542852
>>2542808> I feel really bad for her but I also think young women should learn from this and stop taking stupid advice from crazy insecure influencer women. Spot on nonna.
> Personally I don't like her because she basically tells women to whore themselves out (but in a conservative marriage context instead of the typical OF context)I don't like this, but at least she's doesn't strike me as a validation seeker like liz.
>>2542825The further the pregnancy, the higher the risk.
No. 2542860
>>2542812I am probably not from your country but I don't think I ever heard any of my family members thinking moids are entitled to sex when women don't want it, this idea of 'marital rape' being acceptable was something I learned about much later (in my teens) because the way I was raised by my family I was always told you don't let anyone touch you unless you want them to. The women in my family wouldn't even let their husbands lightly touch their hand if they didn't feel like it and pretty much all the women in my family are dominant toward men including myself. It's probably just a culture/family background thing, depending what you saw normalized growing up you may have different ideas of what is 'normal' in relationships. Also like none of the moids in my family were ugly they were all exceptionally hot except for the one retarded alcoholic who stayed single his whole life until now, maybe that's why several of them are good husbands and I grew up having a better impression of men than a lot of other anons kek because the moids in my family aren't dysgenic freaks. Not saying they had zero misogynistic opinions in their lives, I think no moid can escape that entirely, but from my own experience yes men can deeply love women.
Honestly contrary to your point I think younger men are often worse wrt sexual entitlement because of the normalization of heavy porn use, kink, etc. Even zoomer men seem to be a lot worse than the average millennial moid, who are worse than Gen X seem to be based on talking to older women. Just look at the literal sub-zero effort they put into looking appealing or acting appealing, seeming intelligent or ambitious, etc. They think they are just owed sex on a platter by random women for zero effort.
>>2542814AYRT and not sure if it was you specifically, I just meant the 'omg anons are so naive wanting (good thing)' seems like shaming of women who want the best for themselves. Even if something is unlikely, you should still want the best for yourself. Scrotes on average don't act like most women act, but there is very little difference between male and female brains that doesn't have significant overlap and it's theoretically possible for some men to act/think a lot more like the average woman and vice versa. I've been told by women all my life that I don't think, speak, or behave 'like a woman' too but I am one, I know men who are similar and I think there's a fair bit of overlap naturally before moidlet brains are completely fried by socialization, porn addiction, etc. Some moids get more brain-fried than others. I think part of the reason it's important to have high standard for male appearance is it signifies good genetics and (probably) a less NEET-like early socialization which tends to produce more mentally healthy, fully human males. It's not just about them being hot or nice to look at but usually they actually act more human/a lot more like women as well.
No. 2542872
>>2542852Agree about Shera. She bothers me and I don't watch her videos because of her commodifying herself but I think she is a lot more realistic at least.
>>2542866The sad thing is she didn't beautify herself, if the photos of her before PS floating around are actually her she was naturally very beautiful before and now she just looks like any tryhard PS addict which is like a screaming neon sign above your head for moids to see you're insecure and take advantage. The fact she literally got engaged to a FORTNITE youtuber is just the cherry on top of the cake, how would any self-respecting woman date not just an ugly ratlike moid but one with such adult-child interests/such a stupid 'career'?
I agree about self-beautification. I used to care a lot about beautifying myself (not makeup or anything but I was really into fashion and elaborate old-fashioned hairstyles) although I do less now due to illness/weight gain, but I also held people I dated to similar standards. I don't understand women who do so much to look pretty but accept the bare minimum from bfs. If my bf doesn't look well-dressed leaving the house I just say 'that doesn't look good' and he changes kek. It reflects on the woman too how her moid presents himself so I see women who look pretty but date hideous sloppy moids as lacking in basic self-respect. If both look and dress sloppy I'm just like whatever, obviously not a priority for those people and that's fine.
No. 2542909
>>2542883I can chime in. I'm not really sure about the first question (charisma that makes ugly/mid moids attractive) because I've rarely seen that, although I have seen like a handful of examples I guess? It wouldn't make the moid actually attractive but I guess more appealing than he normally would be, like normally ugly moids seem very insecure, bitter, resentful and annoying but I've met a small handful of ugly/mid moids who seem to be very confident, intelligent, eloquent, and witty/fun-loving (also carry themselves with good posture, dress well, etc) which adds up to them seeming kind of okay. I've never been actively attracted to a moid like this but I could see how some women would be, I at least found them more tolerable as friends/acquaintances and enjoyed their company. I had a high school teacher who was really brilliant and funny but legit deformed-looking who had a beautiful wife and extremely attractive children around my age, and I was mildly surprised at first when I saw his family but then I was like 'yeah that makes sense' because he had such a magnetic personality, the type that would make a lot of students go eat lunch in his classroom just to chat with him instead of eating in the cafeteria or outside or whatever.
As for the second question 'what do women mean when a moid has a good personality or charisma' I think it depends but typically someone who's extroverted, has a high level of social ease (and puts other people around him at ease), is generous and kind, friendly and polite to everyone, funny without being tryhard (like not trying to make 'jokes' but just being naturally funny the way women often are) and highly intelligent/a good conversationalist. This means both good at telling interesting stories and acting actively engaged when other people talk about their lives and interests (most moids are terrible at this). This type of person would usually ooze confidence and be fun to be around, and make people walk away from the interactions feeling good about themselves. It's harder to tell what women mean about masculinity because I think the word has become so corrupted by modern manosphere types but I think in the healthy sense of masculinity this means being resistant to ego-injury, having healthy self-esteem, proactive, ambitious, etc. Not easily insulted, not quick to anger, decisive, etc. Almost all the men I've met with these traits are good looking though as men being charismatic is rare, I think most ugly men have very fragile egos.
A lot of the time though women saying a man has a good personality to make up for his looks it's just a cope. Many women themselves are insecure, know they're dating down lookswise but want to cope by saying that the man has many other wonderful qualities that he likely doesn't really have. Unfortunately the majority of cases where I hear women saying this are of the cope variety.
No. 2542922
>>2542883I think this only applies to a certain extent. If a guy is a 6/10 for example, then a good personality (funny, intelligent, makes you feel good about yourself, caring, attentive) can make him an 8. But if he’s a 2 then the best personality in the world is not going to make him a 10. Men usual say the same for women, a woman who is average looking but outgoing might be perceived as more attractive than a woman who has a prettier face but is more socially awkward.
Many of the guys that women claim are charismatic are actually just ugly and rich though which is completely different IMO, I don’t think money makes a man more
physically appealing at all. Like every wealthy Silicon Valley tech bro I’ve met has been repulsive to me. I also don’t find them masculine or conflate masculinity with money, you could make tons of money and still look and act like a sniveling little bitch. Genuinely masculine men at bare minimum do not have any contempt for or jealousy of women as a collective, which is an incredibly rare trait. A lot of people who stan famous women will pretend like their ugly boyfriends are charismatic to cope, notable examples are Benny Blanco, Ethan Slater, Tom Holland, many were even pretending that TheWizardLiz’s bf was attractive before the cheating scandal
No. 2542948
>>2542943I agree that women are far, far likelier to have baseline pleasant personalities and be nice to be around, but what I'm describing as 'charisma' goes a bit above and beyond that, it's like a 1-in-100 characteristic that imo very few people have. I normally only notice men as having 'very good personalities' when they're this 1-in-100 type or close to it, like the sorts of people that always have tons of people orbiting around them because they're so much fun.
Sadly many women will describe a moid as having a 'good personality' simply because he's not the most annoying, dumb, taciturn, mean negging loser imaginable (or even if he is) because they're looking for things to like about him, but that's not the definition I would use when describing what it takes for a moid to have a really good personality.
>>2542947Yeah women tend to be much funnier than men because men's idea of humor is 'repeating dumb jokes he saw online' and his idea of a woman having a good sense of humor is 'flatteringly giggling at my dumb online jokes' kek. I have met a handful of legitimately witty men though, they're just very rare.
No. 2542949
>>2542931>I think having these personality traits is rare enough in men that they do make up for a lack of attractiveness in some women's mindsThis is very true plus we as women have been taught that looks aren't the most important thing in a man, which is complete bullshit imo.
> I personally can't be attracted to someone I find ugly just because I like their personality though so I don't entirely get it.Same, although you are heavily criticized as a woman if you dare refuse and comment on a man's appearance, whereas the opposite is norm.
I can understand how charisma can trump ugliness though, but women need to know that bad looking men will not be grateful, a good looking woman giving them attention will get to their head. This is a mistake I made once and swore to never repeat. Now watch me get berated for calling men ugly and refusing to give them any chance, even the women around me, except for one, think there's something wrong with me. If I'm ever going to let a man ruin my life, he'd better be fucking hot kek.
No. 2542974
>>2542949AYRT and I guess to add slight nuance to what I'm saying there are certain people that I might not find super good looking from a photo alone but who have endearing mannerisms, good posture, nice voices etc. that makes them seem more physically attractive in person where the personality can overcome some less attractive traits, but this still wouldn't apply to actually ugly moids, more like the mid-to-attractive 6/10 types. I have one male friend who has a very cute (almost girl-pretty) face and thick longish curly hair, but he's a manlet (like 5'7 or something) and not fit or athletic (I guess he used to be but he suffered a severe injury and is now kind of an invalid) who I still ended up finding attractive because he has such a charming personality and is one of the probably top 5 most intelligent people/good conversationalists I've ever met. So in that sense personality can overcome some mild undesirable traits for me like short height or non-athletic body as long as they still have a cute face, good hairline, etc. If someone was facially ugly, significantly fat, etc. I don't think any amount of good personality would make them attractive to me though, and there's still a huge difference between the feeling of being super attracted to a moid who's really hot and sort-of-attracted to a male who's passably good looking with a great personality. I dated/had mutual crushes on a couple 10/10 ultra-hot men in my life and it really hit different kek.
If you're lowkey embarrassed to be seen with a moid in public there is no point whatsoever to subjecting yourself to that, it never seems to end well and the moids always end up acting resentful and uppity. I saw so many female friends go through this and it never ended well. Especially older and ugly moids, I tried so many times to tell my girl friends in my early 20s that these moids were not good matches for them but they seemed to legitimately believe that the moids would be grateful to have a hot younger gf and they never were, they pretty much always cheated or wanted to open the relationship and acted extremely audacious as the relationship went on. I also don't even think it's good for a moid's self esteem to be with a woman he knows deep down isn't attracted to him, so they always seem to end up viewing these women as conquests rather than people and developing severe ego issues about it. You should just keep telling your friends who try to shame you that they're the ones who will get burned by this stupid psyopped attitude kek.
>>2542950I'm the anon you were originally responding to with that post and I actually left that out of my post, but that's a good thing to mention - I think when it comes to 'masculinity' a genuinely masculine man will be one who has his shit together and knows how to do everything himself. He has his own home or living space (even if it's with roommates) that he keeps clean and aesthetically pleasing, he knows how to cook well, he knows how to have good hygiene and take good care of his clothes, he doesn't leave dishes in the sink, etc. It's so gross and off-putting when a moid acts like a child who never learned how to take care of his own errands, taxes, phone calls, cleaning/cooking, etc. I think a masculine moid is one who would also be at least willing to do repairs around his own home, fix electronics or repair broken furniture, etc. and would always help friends with moves. That's what I think of I guess when I think of men being 'masculine.' And they go outside/are somewhat active/don't spend much if any time online.
No. 2543080
>>2542784The thing that really gets me is she allowed some gamer youtuber to impregnate her, out of all the people she could've gotten as a "high value woman" at least the sprinkle sprinkle lady would tell you to find some rich normie at a country club to siphon money out of.
Her and that rat didn't even look right together
No. 2543095
>>2542509>>2542465Slim and pretty men make ugly fat moids seethe to no end. Their cope is always
>I-I'll just fuck your bitchor
>I-I'll just fuck you because you look like a girl therefore it's not gay!Men are retarded apes
No. 2543101
>>2543080I think Liz would be considered too ethnic and scary for the country club scene, and also because she had a Muslim + thirdie background she wouldn't be respected.
The people in those societies tend to be very snobbish, conformist, racist etc.
If you're not a whitebread white Stacy from a wealthy family or a very well-educated Becky who went to an Ivy league school, you'll have a hard time securing the bag with these kinds of moids, they usually have very snobbish and controlling and racist parents too.
No. 2543112
>>2542784I like listening to her messages when taking a shower but take them with a grain of salt when she is speaking about Devine feminine and attracting males. I like the self confidence ones.
It’s a shame she got pregnant by that rat. It happened way too quickly and he just studied what she said in her videos and faked his whole persona, even the very first encounter was staged. Sad that she didn’t realize it sooner.
Can’t she go somewhere else to terminate? Having that retard’s pawn is such a waste.
I have realized that many scrotes trap women by having children with them, which is also a reason why I’m childfree, having the possibility of a clean way out is the best.
No. 2543240
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>>2543122I'm so torn about her because on one hand she's completely right about the nature of moids, but on the other hand it feels like she's also using this as a cope/justification to her own situation. She's together with the definition of the UMP, an old ugly upper middle class moid and apparently he was cheating on his then-wife with shera, then after the wife dumped him shera took her place and even birthed children with a moid like that.
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What in the Amerimutt mental illness. Sugarbabying and hypergamy influencers are so embarrassing like jfc at least just sell feet pics or something. You arent supposed to actually fuck your old simps.
No. 2543265
>>2543240I think if a woman makes choices like this she isn't necessarily 'completely right' about the nature of moids - if she had a really good sense of moid nature she could and probably would aim higher. But at least she's not completely delusional thinking she is dating some wonderful prince charming although I would never take her advice about anything either.
>>2543253Apparently so, it's just kind of funny to juxtapose Shera and whateverliz and say the vaguely asiatic russian lady with all the plastic surgery would fit in less at the country club (in Western Europe). I don't think they see chechnyans as hyperexotic in Belgium or wherever she lives kek, and she could have just gone for some normie moid with a normie white collar job pretty easily instead of a Fortnite streamer.
>>2543255I'm not into the whole 'golden retriever energy guys' thing but I don't think that ratlike wannabe-influencer creature is a golden retriever guy. When I hear people talk about moids with golden retriever energy I assume they mean slightly dumb, but very helpful and enthusiastic jocks, who barely know what social media is and spend all their time kicking around a football or something.
No. 2543274
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He’s probably been posted in a past thread somewhere, or even this one, but I’m doing it again because this dude is just aggressively ugly. Idk if “big media” is pushing him as a hottie to a younger audience, but every time I see this hideous dude, I think how any woman that was this ugly would never be able to get famous. He’s already dated so many gorgeous women in entertainment somehow.
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>>2543263Same dude when he was younger lol.
No. 2543281
>>2543263Ew wtf is that bald dog-pig hybrid? Idk who this woman is but she should not be anywhere near the creature let alone giving him sexual favors.
>>2543273Isn't that literally what sugarbabying is?
>>2543274Who is this/who has he dated? He looks like an (actual) clown.
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>>2543274Aren't all these 'alt rappers' usually ugly and use their alt styling as a way of trying to 'own' that ugliness?
Some women seem to like that piggy, squished in face look on men, personally I dislike it a lot. He looks like Keith Flint.
No. 2543304
>>2543296Thanks nonna. I didn't heed your warning, looked him up on google images, saw the shirtless photos and now regret it. The photo you posted doesn't even fully do his ugliness justice.
>>2543295Yeah I don't get why women like these piggy squished faces either but it seems to be such a popular type among celebrity women. Pete Davidson, Selena Gomez's ugly hobbit creature and Barry Keoghan all have those pig faces too and seem to be treated as attractive by celebrity women.
No. 2543317
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>>2542050well this ones real
No. 2543319
>>2543313For real. I can honestly say I've never been jealous of any hypergamy influencer or her nigel or her lifestyle.
I'm genuinely jealous of the successful and beautiful women I know who have healthy relationships + marriages with successful and hot men.
I know one couple, she's a beautiful Stacy who is a dentist and her husband is handsome and a surgeon. They get along so well and just had a baby together and he's an amazing dad and also loves animals and takes care of their dog and also tends to the baby when she is tired and basically treats his wife like a princess and dotes on her and they have a beautiful big house and would constantly travel together. That shit genuinely makes me jealous kek but I'm also happy for her.
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Also another hideous moid that I’ve seen one too many times. Country singer, Dylan Scott. His music sucks ass, I KNOW that beard is hiding a Crimson Chin, and southern women fucking love him. The country music scene is much worse than the pop scene in that an ugly woman with nasolabial folds as deep as his would never become famous. The one clip I’ve seen of him in motion makes him look like he has permanent stank face too. He’s just ugly as fuck.
No. 2543324
>>2543317It is no big secret that not being fat makes people more attractive kek, I'd be extremely hesitant to date a formerly-fat moid though as most people's weight bounces back. Unless he had Cushings or something that was later treated but most of the hormonal disorders that cause weight gain occur predominantly in females.
>>2543319I'm jealous of rich people too anon. But yeah not when they're rich because of publicizing their train wreck life and past trauma on social media. I just feel bad for those people even if they're rich.
No. 2543338
>>2543326Interesting. I usually take such evopsych studies with several grains of salt but his explanation sounds plausible to me.
>>2543274>>2543321What I don't get with the popularity of moids like this is that I actually DO get being more attracted to a moid because he's a great/amazing musician. I am a musician and a male being really good at music usually makes him much more attractive to me no matter what. But these moids are not only incredibly ugly but their music seems incredibly generic and retarded. They're just dime-a-dozen talentless hacks. So what even is the appeal? I personally know dozens of significantly more attractive and musically talented moids playing in dive bars every few weeks and getting $50 from passing the hat kek, how do moids like this end up famous and with female fans?
No. 2543349
>>2543339I think there's evidence for it given that very few men remain true blondes into adulthood. Blonde hair has always been associated more with women than men.
Diet, natural selection and climate were also probably part of it.
But that theory also isn't concrete, because Nords and Balts actually do produce melanin (hence the 'orange Swedes meme'), since their diets are so rich in fish and other sources of vitamin D and reindeer meat. Nords are not as pale as other groups like Irish and Scottish people (who did not consume anywhere near as much seafood in their diets as Nords did, and so actually needed to evolve to be as pale as possible).
The fact that Eskimos and Buryats live in an even more northern colder climate but did not evolve blonde hair and blue eyes, as well as the fact Scandinavia and the Baltic region became so blonde so quickly, shows that blonde hair and blue eyes were also certainly sexually selected traits, not environmental necessities.
No. 2543351
>>2543339Yeah most evopsych seems to involve some variant of this, although if it's true that blonde hair evolved extremely rapidly from a small number of mutations due to a genetic bottleneck it seems possible that women 'looking different' or standing out in some way would have been more desirable as mates during that time. I still wouldn't phrase it as 'being blonde evolved for men' though, the researcher is implying that being blonde involved due to natural mutations (more than likely due to a gradual loss of eumelanin in Northern Europe, I'm assuming) that had nothing to do with male preference and then just got reproductively selected for during a short evolutionary period resulting in it becoming the norm for those population groups.
>>2543345I think it would be less this and more likely related to low eumelanin production generally. It would be a byproduct of lightening skin tone.
No. 2543358
>>2543349right. the sami lived at the same altitude as nords and were almost always swarthy and black haired (they are paler and blonder nowadays after being heavily assimilated and mixed with nordic genes)
its clear you dont actually need blonde hair or pale skin to survive in the northern hemisphere.
No. 2543377
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>>2543367it has always been worthless. we could easily survive as a species with 5% of the dick we have now, even less but we'd have to cage the good ones and pass them around efficiently
No. 2543385
>>2543373If you'd read the article you would have read that blonde being seen as more attractive at that time was because it was rare/unusual in that population at that time, and also it's not seen as more attractive in many modern studies in the same populations. Blonde isn't 'objectively more attractive to men' lmao.
>>2543371The idea of moids trying to argue with you that 'men like that don't exist' when you're describing your own dad cracked me up nonna, but I'm sorry you keep meeting such shit moids. On the other hand it's a good thing that you have such high standards/your parents modelled a healthy relationship for you, you should treasure that. High standards are a good thing.
No. 2543399
>>2543364Evolution is about "survival of the fittest" and the fittest is basically "what adapts the best is passed on". Take the sunfish for example, it survived this long because it evolved thick flesh with little nutritional value, so no predators want to eat it. Pale skin evolved to reduce melanin in skin because climates weren't sunny enough and vitamin D levels were too low. Blond/e hair evolved in the same way.
Imo men who make claims like "women evolved to attract men" come across as
victim blame-y because it's like they're saying "YOU'RE responsible for my actions!!1!" Like sigh not this shit again.
No. 2543428
>>2543385Thank you for the kind words
nonny. Sadly my dad passed away a few years ago, but I know the best thing I can do in his memory is not settle for a defective XY. He would want me to be with someone like him or better and wouldn’t want me to suffer. He was my biggest supporter and even watched Hetalia with me when I was younger and wore cringey anime t-shirts while chaperoning me at anime conventions kek. I miss him.
Apologies for blogposting but thank you for letting me talk about him ♥ I hope nonnies have someone just as great as him in their lives No. 2543440
>>2543428I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sure you're correct he would have never wanted you to settle for a defective moid. My own dad is kind of a retarded autist who I used to filter males in my life by going 'if they act like him, do not go near' kek but my maternal grandfather who I was very close with was like this for me and I once summarily ended an (in retrospect) awful, very bad idea relationship with an older moid because I was telling him a story about my grandpa standing on principle at great personal cost and being brave and the moid I was dating essentially told me my grandpa is retarded and only stupid people sacrifice material benefits to uphold their moral values. Never saw him again lmao. I am eternally grateful for my experience of having really good models of what a man should be like in my family/childhood because I think it (as well as your mom or female relatives being strong, self-respecting women) is one of the easier ways to learn to have standards as early as possible. You can see it as them ruining all other men for you but I choose to see it as them teaching you what the actual bare minimum should be imo, and the bare minimum should be someone who adds to your life and you're also extremely attracted to, not someone who you can vaguely tolerate on a good day or who looks okay if you squint at him hard enough in low light.
And it's especially useful in situations like the ones you described where moids try to psyop women to lower our standards by claiming 'oh, men like that don't exist' or 'all men do (whatever)' or 'handsome attractive men are all evil disloyal fuckboys so you're better off with an ugly stable man like me' or whatever various tricks and psyops they get up to for you to be able to just say 'uh no actually my dad/uncle/grandpa/whatever fit these standards and I am looking for someone at least as good as my own relatives to carry on my genetic line, not corrupt it with useless scrotes like you, move along' kek.
No. 2543678
It’s nice to see that the ~men age like wine women age like milk~ meme is dying. The top comment “No need even to look at Hollywood. Look outside and you see such beautiful older woman while the men, let's say they survive”
No. 2543693
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>>2543095It seems like the natural conclusion of a misogyny is being a gay pedophile
No. 2543746
>>2543253From LSA:
>She tried leaving her dusty husband years ago after she had 2 DUIs and a domestic violence charge against him, and he made her get a job at some gym cafeteria, as noted in the divorce papers. She requested child support and the papers stated his income was around $6000 a month, and he would only have to pay her $600 a month in child support. That's not a bag, so she stayed with him and began vlogging on youtube since she couldn't drive anywhere at the time.>She was a pick me that waited 7 years for her husband to leave his wife and daughter. She was a side chick to her current husband.Honestly sounds pretty bleak. I hope shera will find a way to monetize her online presence properly and leave her expired moid behind.
No. 2543773
>>2543319It makes sense, normie women who were raised in healthy and wealthy supportive families tend to end up in relationships with high value men who treat them like a goddess. It's because they have very high self-esteem and had everything handed to them from a young age so the universe gives them even more. Meanwhile beautiful women who escaped rotten homes and had a shitty childhood are bound to end up with
abusive scrotes who cheat on them and use them as an accessory to show off their homeboys. It's why someone like thewizardliz, who despite all the confidence, money and career she got, still ended up with that asshole, at the end of the day she had a broken family and has trauma that subconsciously affects her even if she tried her best to heal. It's pretty tragic from my own pov because traumatized women must become extremely strong in order to survive, and even if they try their best to allow themselves to feel feminine, they still somehow attract insecure weirdos who want to humble them, or bums who want a sugar mommy to leech off. It's like you can't fucking win, unless you hit the lottery from the start and never experience life altering trauma.
No. 2543824
>>2543773>>2543822Nonnies, a little bit of optimism from my side but keep in mind that traumatized women and generational trauma have only recently started getting recognized. In 19th century nobody was talking about this. Only recently we started recognizing the patterns, offering help and making movements for other women to break out of these patterns. And this information is not even available in all parts of the world either. So it's expected to still make these mistakes but we gotta keep fighting.
Those 1% of super normie people who live happy lives at least show us it is possible and it exists.
No. 2543838
Post cute moids
No. 2543842
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>>2543396Some blondies are very attractive
No. 2543845
>>2543665It's not the same guy.
>>2543705The study was about scandinavia. Saying 'omg and they still like blondes more' when modern studies in scandinavia show a preference for dark hair is just funny.
>>2543839Nta but she said healthy, wealthy, AND supportive upbringing, not just wealthy. Obviously wealth by itself wouldn't do much.
>>2543841Just read the article. The article stated that the bottleneck was caused by over 90% of males dying off and a 10-1 female/male sex ratio causing males to briefly have the power of sexual selection in a much larger pool of women. Can people here ever consider actually reading what they're responding to BEFORE responding to it, this thread is a mess.
>>2543842Ew that moid is hideous, sorry
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>>2543693Moids really see her and think she looks like a prepubescent boy?
No. 2543882
>>2543874Okay I think this is either
>moids being so porn-addicted that they think any woman with boobs that aren't the size of dinner plates are "male adjacent"Or
>gay scrotes not wanting to admit that a petite woman looks good, so they give their fucked up "compliment" of her being akin to a roman, castrated towel boy because making their minds think about twinks when they see a skinny woman helps them feel better when they have to look at women. No. 2543907
>>2543853The article didn't say they refused to have sex with brunettes though, it just said that the rare blonde mutation was sexually selected for causing it to become more common. There are pretty much only 2 ways that a rare mutation can become dominant in a population over a short period of time, sexual selection or conquest, and most theories of how blonde hair spread in the nordics are some combination of the two. The article was pretty clear with its reasoning, I don't know what your alternative theory is but population bottlenecks are known to select for rare traits.
>>2543855He looks like a pig with empty beady eyes and an asymmetrical mouth, not cute.
>>2543874She's really cute, idk what problem moids could possibly have with this woman's looks.
No. 2543969
>>2543364wrong
more women have passed down their genes compared to men, by a large percentage.
No. 2543971
>>2543364wrong
more women have passed down their genes compared to men, by a large percentage.
No. 2543992
>>2543705Blonde hair alone isn’t seen as more attractive or a “status symbol” in most places in the world now, and beauty standards like that also differ based on generation. In the early 2000s for example a blonde man or woman who was fit would be seen as attractive even if their face was average looking but that’s no longer the case, now people are way pickier about facial features when deciding who is or isn’t attractive. A lot of younger American Zoomer males also fetishize Latinas, Asian women, Kardashian type Arab women and mixed race women so the beauty standard has skewed toward darker hair and racial ambiguity even among white girls. Blonde men have also lost a lot of appeal for women in the last 20 years for some reason. The only people who still seem to hold blondeness in very high regard are reactionary conservative men who are obsessed with Sydney Sweeney, but most conservative women who actually put effort into their looks to meet that standard are doughy faced bottle blondes like Karoline Leavitt and probably wouldn’t be considered attractive in places like Europe.
That’s not to say that blondes aren’t attractive- many are- but they aren’t automatically attractive
because they’re blonde. If someone like Katheryn Winnick was to dye her hair brown she would still be just as pretty because the beauty has nothing to do with her hair. On the other hand, Joseph Quinn dyeing his hair blond didn’t change the fact that he looks like a thumb.
>>2543874Men comparing this girl to an underage boy as a positive compliment on her sexual appeal is so fucking creepy and it’s also just incorrect. I don’t know who she is or if there’s some sort of larger backstory to these comments but she is clearly feminine and has a younger Brooke Shields or Ana Paula Arosio type look. Doesn’t look male at all, I wouldnt even describe her as a gamine.
No. 2544108
File: 1748710325006.mp4 (19.76 MB, 720x1280, vegas cocktail waitress.mp4)
Saw on FB. The scrote is a jumpscare.
No. 2544212
File: 1748713438886.png (624.92 KB, 480x747, 100244375.png)
>>2544108how is his head twice as big as his shoulders
No. 2544241
>>2543735It’s trashy with zero or negative prestige and only a few who got in early are multimillionaires. Wouldn’t it be embarrassing to be asmongold’s wife, everyone in the world would know you lived in a roach motel and kissed those bloody gums for money. Gross!
They’re the DIY entertainment class and match up with OFers
No. 2544402
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>>2543855He's got that autism face going on
No. 2544420
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>>2544414>a nice looking guy If you'te referring to the blonde guy, he looks like every other sperg male I've met in my life but with hair and arguably less deformed albeit average and it made me laugh he that he got posted because my friend and I often make fun of moids with that face, including one self proclaimed incel from our university who looks like that. I think it's the hair and the body that make him seem attractive to some nonnas but it's literally the bare minimum and the fact it's enough to make him seem attractive is really indicative of the psyop imo.
To answer your question, I think pre wall Michal Mrazik was peak, wish more slavic moids looked like that.
>t. Eastern Euro nonna No. 2544423
>>2544420Kek yeah my friends also talk about the sperg face and when the first photo of him was posted I immediately thought oh, what a perfect example of sperg face. I think either you see it or you don't though, some people don't seem to recognize it.
>it's the hair and the body that make him seem attractiveI hate that hair too though, I don't like male blondes and the thin, limp, flat hair type many scandi/german men have looks really bad on men especially as they age. I always assume it means early balding.
Agree the hockey moid you posted was cute, I am also (ex) Eastern Euro (but spent a lot of time there) and I actually used to think moids my age there were often good looking when I was like 17-19 but they all got so bald and fat so quickly it's tragic.
No. 2544427
>>2544416The insecurity comes from me being attracted to women, and I do have some masculine features that the average woman doesn't have
I know it is a retarted to compare myself to moids but I can't help it ugh>>2544420I'm gonna be honest I don't really see much difference between them except the nose. I think they're both cute… That might be because I live in a place filled with deformed looking males
do not come to brazil nonas which make these guys look like models
No. 2544432
>>2544427But women look different from men and aren't likely to be ugly like men are. I'm bisexual and I see far fewer ugly women than men. 'Masculine features' on a woman aren't the same as male features.
>>2544427One of them has autism face, upturned pug nose, perma-dreamworks smile, and flat empty sharkeyed gaze, the other has good facial structure kek. Wider set and bigger eyes are an asset for male beauty imo since so many of them seem to have those close-set birdlike eyes.
No. 2544433
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>>2544423>I always assume it means early baldingAgree on that. With the hair comment I mostly meant that at least he
has hair kek also there is at least an attempt to look put together instead of an unkempt rats nest. I do personally like blondes though, however most of them are hideous and age like shit as you said. A naturally blonde moid who's also handsome is like a unicorn.
>my friends also talk about the sperg face> I am also (ex) Eastern Euro (but spent a lot of time there)Feeling connected to you
nonnie rn sending positive energy
>>2544427>spoilerI'm so sorry,
nonnie… I've heard horror stories from my Brazilian friends…
No. 2544448
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>>2543857>>2543907>>2543918>>2544402I think he resembles the male version of this Swedish model; if he were a woman, he'd be considered very beautiful. They have exactly the same features.
No. 2544454
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>>2544427Women who like women are attracted to totally different things than women who like men ime. Women are also just way more beautiful than men in general. Picrel, Agathe Rousselle who has “”“masculine””” features but she is one of the sexiest women in the world to me. And I wouldn’t care at all for a male with the exact same features.
No. 2544456
>>2544448Her nose is tiny and he's got a pig snout. Her face is proportional, he's got a 5head. His eyes are much more hooded and weirdly shaped too.
Also, even if they did look the same, what's attractive on a woman, will not necessarily be attractive on a man.
>>2544451Read my other reply
>>2544433 I'm into blondes. That guy's face is just ugly and he looks like a sperg. I'm a certified pretty boy lover and he is not that.
No. 2544462
File: 1748724726644.jpg (1.02 MB, 3264x2162, 737372829e83.jpg)
>>2544456>>2544452They have exactly the same phenotype
No. 2544470
>>2544462Sorry but no. You've exaggerated how hooded her eyes look by providing a photo with a downwards angle for the female model and in this photo, granted, her eyes look similar in general shape, but she has a narrow face with wide-set features spaced further apart relative to her face, big pouty (symmetrical) lips, a short philtrum, rounder cheeks, etc. His ugly nose aside all his features are crammed into the middle of his big square face, which gives him a completely different facial proportion, and he has no upper lip. He just has a far less 'sympa' facial expression too, with the perma-smirk in both photos.
>>2544461Yeah my dad ruined all other males for me hairwise, he's in his 60s and still hasn't even started greying and his hairline is the same as it was when he was like 20-30, his hair is ultrathick and wavy wah. I will never find another man with as good anti-baldness and anti-greying genes as my dad.
No. 2544477
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>>2544471Here you go nonna. Also I think some of you are proving the point that you either are faceblind to autism face or you aren't - most 20ish year old fit moids will look better than a moid with autism face almost by default. Sorry my bad forgot to add photo
No. 2544484
File: 1748725354674.jpg (86.51 KB, 736x920, _. unrivaled face_.jpg)
>>2544477He looks better with long and straight hair.
No. 2544485
>>2544482to clarify I find
>>2544420 really good looking in comparison.
No. 2544488
File: 1748725399091.webp (81.79 KB, 537x800, Kwak_Dong_Yeon.webp)
>>2544482Okay so you just don't like feminine features like poutier lips. Here's another example of a man with those features I'd consider more attractive, maybe not neotenous per se but kind of feminine looking.
No. 2544501
File: 1748725997930.jpeg (44.16 KB, 500x658, Sven Csongar.jpeg)
I found the best looking blond moid.
No. 2544502
File: 1748726007760.jpg (295.26 KB, 1080x660, Kwak-Dong-Yeon_Kocowa.jpg)
>>2544497
I don't like hunter eyes either but I don't really follow male models so when asked for 'full lips and short philtrum and bigger eyes than the blonde' he was the first model I found on google images who fit that profile. He's not my preference/taste exactly but I think he definitely has more feminine features than the spergy looking scandi model.
The Asian actor probably looks unsettling because of how skin-filtered the pic is, here's another photo that's a still from something.
No. 2544507
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>>2544501The moid in candid
No. 2544521
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>>2544502Eunwoo is the most attractive asian actor.
No. 2544531
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>>2543255It's extremely important others know this. There's tons of fuckboys larping as wholesome "golden retriever boyfriends". That was Thewizardliz's situation. Looking at all of Landon's photos he gives off the most disgusting and performative vibe imaginable. But he was just a Minecraft YouTuber who got lucky with a girl like Liz? But he wore a kigurumi? These type of men are abysmal human beings and so many poor younger women and girls fall for this type of personality mainly because of the "Nerd will treat you right!" Saying.
No. 2544568
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>>2544488>>2544521i didn't like eunwoo until i saw him styled casually. they all look better with no-makeup makeup
No. 2544576
>>2544550how old is he?
>>2544501>>2544502>>2544521>>2544568the lack of facial hair is healing me, I'm so sick of beards
No. 2544577
>>2544566AYRT, so exactly like I said, a people-pleasing buff farmboy. Thanks for the explainer nonna.
>>2544576He's 43, although idk when that still is from.
No. 2544597
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>>2544577I google'd and that's from a 2019 TV show. He'll be 44 this year so that means he was around 38 there. Compared to the average western moid, he aged well.
Found this pic from last year, idc if he's had work done, at least he's not a sight for sore eyes.
Why don't all men fucking exercise? It's so easy to be fit as a man, you already got the testosterone to build the muscle.
No. 2544602
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>>2544550He's a butterface. I hate his negative canthal tilt
No. 2544603
>>2544597Idk, it always pisses me off so much seeing how dumpy and fat even young men are now. I hear so many moids constantly ragging on fat women and saying shit like 'feminazis glamorized fatness and normalized being obese' but the last time I spent significant time outside in an urban area looking at people I noticed way more fat/obese moids than women, and a lot of them were really young too. I feel like it wasn't this bad 5-10 years ago when I was first in college but now many of the college aged moids are fat and have beer bellies as well as disgusting beards to hide their double chins.
It makes me mad because I know how easily moids lose weight and put on muscle. I was always really into athletics and I always did more sports than my boyfriends, but even if I spent 7 days a week at the gym and doing sports I couldn't help gaining weight past a certain age. Meanwhile if some male friend or boyfriend I had joined the gym or a sports class to be my exercise buddy he would lose like 20lbs and/or become visibly muscular almost instantly. Even if they were putting in relatively little effort. You see before and after comparisons of moids who started shit like yoga 6 months prior and went from fat to fit and lean looking, but women have to work for years to see any muscle definition. So why are all the moids I see on the street fat and flabby anyway? There's one main thing I'm jealous about with moids and it's their ability to easily have a good physique but they all just squander it to sit on their asses and eat doritos.
No. 2544639
File: 1748732783310.jpg (1.84 MB, 3264x3264, 27282-3-47.jpg)
>>2544609I think sloth eyes or doe eyes look great on women but it is impossible for a moid to look good with them.
No. 2544650
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>>2544643He improves significantly with long, straight hair.
No. 2544659
>>2544639I don't want to get torn apart for shilling walled old moids so I won't post a pic but I thought Simon Baker (when he was younger - he's a geriatric ogre now although I thought he was one of the rare moids who still looked kind of attractive in his 40s in a leathery Australian way) looked cute with negative canthal tilt because it just looked like 'smiley eyes,' I can think of some younger IRL acquaintances who I similarly thought negative canthal tilt looked charming on. Off the top of my head I can't think of any young male celebrities though sorry. I agree generally it is cuter on women, but I also think positive canthal tilt is cuter on women. I think there's a smaller range of features that men can get away with without looking either predatory or dopey/retarded, idk why that is.
>>2544643That's probably not the best pic of him tbf. I think he was the highest-earning male model for like half a decade when I was younger though so I'd say he's as close to 'typical female taste' as you can get.
No. 2544665
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>>2544659Chico and Nessman are probably the most attractive and female gaze models. But they're already walled.
No. 2544736
>>2544678That's so weird anon, I don't know how it became like this. I live in a relatively slim city (by North American standards) and still go to my last university's gym and there are still mostly moids there, many of whom are fit (although the number of roidpigs has been drastically increasing) so I haven't noticed it much with gym/athlete moids, but if I just hang out around the campus to have coffee afterwards most of the college student males are not fit anymore even though most women are. Some are skinny but it seems like close to half are fat and like 70% of the older/middle aged moids are fat. When I was in undergrad I used to see so many attractive men, and even if they weren't attractive they were at least slim or athletic looking - very few roidpigs and very few fat moids so it still shocks me how quickly all the men got fat. It feels like they all re-emerged after COVID lockdowns as ogres. Even 'skinny' moids now have beer bellies and are balding at young ages which I never used to see before, like this one moid I know from school who was an actual anachan looking twig got a gf and within 2 years he developed a beer belly, started balding (and growing out long greasy hair despite the balding) and grew a scraggly untrimmed beard that makes him literally look homeless. And the skinny moids with the beer bellies always wear those tight-fitting skinny pants or joggers that cut into their stomach and tight, too-short shirts which make it even more obvious. At least women with unfit body types try to flatter their figures with clothes, moids don't even bother to buy a new shirt after they gain 40lbs and then they're the ones complaining that women/feminists normalized obesity.
Blog but the most bizarre thing that happened to me this week is I was sitting outside a cafe having a coffee and some old (like 65yo) man who walked past me slowed down, started shaking his head and tut-tutting at me and saying 'sad, these young women these days, so sad' which I can only assume is due to me being kinda fat (although I work out, have a relatively small waist, etc) even though he was probably 450lbs, literally spherical and looked like Santa Claus and was also wearing dirty sweatpants. I mean maybe he had some other reason but I wasn't doing anything weird, was dressed conservatively, etc. literally just sitting there. Why are moids so entitled to women looking slim and pretty for them out in public and always freaking out about women normalizing obesity when they are more fat and ugly and put less effort into their appearance by far?
No. 2544802
>>2544779Idk I'm used to working-class moids looking even worse but it could just be location/culture-dependent. In places where the food is shitty it seems like working class young moids tend to be fat and have bad skin early in life (even if they do physical jobs) because they're always just grabbing mcdonalds or tacos or something whereas higher-SES college educated moids at least try to cook or think about 'eating healthy' if they eat out, and at least some of them do athletics/go to the gym but in my experience college/college educated moids do a lot more cooking at home. In cultures where it's more normal to live with your parents/extended family and the mom/grandma/aunt cooks I would think working class moids would look better because they're getting fed well and also working with their bodies.
I agree moids do better (physically and mentally) when they do at least some physical labor and are active, but not all tradie jobs are even all that active in a general way (many just involve a lot of shoulder/arm workouts without much of a full-body workout) whereas plenty of more educated men have the free time to do sports and look good if they wanted to. Unfortunately both types of moid now seem to spend most of their downtime online/playing video games instead of doing anything social/active and make the women in their lives do all their household chores. I'm not gonna get into the mental effects, but humanities moids are probably the worst in terms of misogyny and mental retardation (while pretending to be 'feminist' usually).
No. 2544893
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>>2544502I feel the opposite way, I wish western movies and shows would put filters over their ugly haggard skinned actors, it's so hard to look at western moids over 35.
>>2544521EunWoo is gorgeous but how is his personality? My favorite actor is Park Jinyoung. Not only can he sing beautifully, but he's also not super plastic looking and still looks somewhat natural, he's effortlessly extremely funny, and very well mannered and considerate towards women especially his female co-stars (like covering them when they need to fix their dress, giving them a jacket or napkin to cover their legs when they're wearing short skirts, shielding their eyes from the sun while filming, etc). His ears are a bit big but apart from that he's wonderful (also he has a lovely big bulge too)
No. 2544897
File: 1748745560546.mp4 (1.06 MB, 480x854, 81lg3HP.mp4)
Because most moids don't look like this, sexual selection is not working
No. 2544901
File: 1748745782985.mp4 (2.55 MB, 480x854, EEtvZDr.mp4)
>>2544897Holy shit, he's perfect.
No. 2544907
>>2544886Kek it didn't work then I just ignored him and kept sipping my coffee because wtf.
>>2544887I agree it was insane and took me by surprise because normally when I go out for coffee or whatever in the city it's with someone, and when I'm with someone I never have these weird interactions and am left alone. But I guess just being female and out in public by yourself is an excuse for moids to treat you like a statue they can have and express artistic opinions about, even when they're easily 2-3x your size and age and wearing greasy stained sweatpants.
>>2544893Maybe it's my age but I hate the filters, they're so unsettling and make everything look fake and weird. I think hollywood movies do use filters to make the male actors look younger though, they always seem to have better skin/fewer wrinkles than they have in photos.
>but how is his personality?Hate to break it to you nonna but the 'personality' these asian moids have on variety shows or whatever is 100% fake and marketing, you can never know if they are good people based on media appearances since they are heavily media-trained. So many seemingly 'nice' k-celebs and c-celebs turned out to be evil sex pests, wifebeaters, etc. even though they projected a seemingly perfect image. Don't even worry about the 'personality' of celebrity moids, you will never know unless someone ends up leaking confidential info somehow.
No. 2544915
File: 1748746848001.mp4 (440.95 KB, 360x640, m273oBi.mp4)
Brutal
No. 2544928
>>2544897He's gonna wreck his body with the roids. Sad.
>>2544903Interesting men definitely exist kek. But no they're not thirsttrapping on tiktok.
>>2544904Hard to imagine this alternate universe because moids have used their physical strength against women since time immemorial. Their ability to overpower us physically seems to have made them extremely rapey and unwilling to do much of anything else to genuinely attract women, unfortunately, although there are examples of (past and, rarely, present) cultures where men do try to get 'picked' by women by beautifying themselves or trying to act charming. Kek also women are just naturally less coomerish and more empathetic so a society where women all hoarded thousands of videos of rape-on-tape would never exist because we are too naturally moral for that, 99% of women aren't sadistic and don't get off on people we're attracted to being harmed by other people or on being cucked.
Unironically though there is an extent to which most successful het relationships involve the woman being more dominant and basically being more harsh and critical of the man than the man is of the woman, so I think it is the dynamic that works best naturally for men to feel the need to prove themselves to women and for women to always keep them on their toes. Men seem to find meaning and value in their lives from working hard to please women and take care of them while women only seem to be psychologically destroyed by this. When men are selfish coomers they become miserable and suicidal while women tend to stay more mentally healthy from not caring too much about moids.
No. 2545065
This moid was beautiful before eoidpigmaxxing
No. 2545076
The pretty boy archetype is popular here but do they actually stay pretty/hot as they age? Just wondering. I would endorse a world where women shamelessly discard all men over the age of 25, Dicaprio style.
>>2545069I find it amusing that every time a smoking hawt guy is posted on lolcow, 9 times out of 10 he looks indistinguishable from your average lesbian.
No. 2545083
>>2545076Some stay relatively pretty as they age (I mean up to a point, obviously not when they're like 70 or whatever) but it depends on the specific features, if they stay slim/keep their hair, etc. Men with 'compact midfaces,' close-set/hooded eyes and thin/small lips age the worse because they get moonface as their skulls expand, it's not related so much to whether they're pretty or not per se.
>9 times out of 10 he looks indistinguishable from your average lesbian.Kek makes sense, women are more attractive
No. 2545234
File: 1748769147243.jpg (2.36 MB, 2880x2880, 20250601_111051.jpg)
>>2544420its unfortunate how grossly unattractive men look with facial hair
No. 2545281
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>>2545076>The pretty boy archetype is popular here but do they actually stay pretty/hot as they age? Just wondering. Still better than 90% of the male population.
No. 2545315
>>2545282Yeah I've made the same observation
and I'm also mixed european kek. Black and asian moids tend to age better but only if they were handsome to begin with and take care of themselves (shave, are clean, eat well, keep doing sports into older ages). Otherwise they tend to not have that weird features-shrinking-into-the-middle-of-their-face thing happening but they still turn into fat thumb-looking mfs.
No. 2545399
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So, is it possible for a man to look attractive without looking too feminine? can masculine features look proportionated and clean?
No. 2545479
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mind you women are too polite to call ugly freaks old fat and ugly to their face but will tell a woman that she hits the wall at 25
No. 2545490
>>2545479Old sperm is very bad for breeding too but they'd never admit that. Every tantrum throwing autist i worked with had a chris chan situation with an old dad.
It's crazy how they say women are evil when women are the ones willing to stick through cancer diagnoses, old age etc but men implode families because their dick twitched.
No. 2545728
>>2545399>is it possible for a man to look attractive without looking too feminine? can masculine features look proportionated and clean?Yes but it has to be after I assess their face, nitpick, and decide whether or not they fit my rigid standards of they're just a monkey pig with caveman features
>>2545479>>2545689Old sperm is what made Lucinda from /snow/. Literal elderly father at the time she was conceived
No. 2545735
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>>2545399I feel like your question highlights how useless masculine and feminine are as words. When I think of peak masculinity I think of like, Brock Lesnar. But he is far from beautiful. Culturally Americans might think of someone like Clint Eastwood as a symbol of masculinity (at least historically) but really he’s a soft man with a soft life, and he was specifically cast by Sergio Leone for his lanky bishie qualities. So no I don’t think a 100% “masculine” man can be beautiful because beauty requires certain features of softness, clear skin, youth, and innocence. Joe Manganiello comes to mind as a manly man who looks handsome but even he looks like shit now that his youth has evaporated. I think feminine is just used as a synonym for smooth and youthful.
No. 2545811
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>>2545757>like I think that Down's Syndrome is more common with a 'geriatric' mother for whatever reasonThe reason is chromosomal abnormalities in the egg, which do increase with age. However that can be accurately identified in early pregnancy and you can terminate if you want. Autism has no test and you don't get the choice to abort, I consider it about 1000x worse than downs.
No. 2546159
File: 1748821976447.mp4 (3.75 MB, 720x1280, 1000022487.mp4)
It's crazy how most of the comments just admit most guys are ugly in some form. We are just expected to tolerate that
No. 2546162
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This man who is the equivalent of a hideous demonic looking beast is apparently as ugly as his normal/ average looking wife. The likes on this post are mostly from men who need some serious copium. That shallow moid would never marry a women with the same skin tone and features that he’s possess. Who gaf if she’s with him for money, he is well aware of that but his faggy fans believe that he’ll wake up and leave her.
No. 2546215
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>Watch some male model catwalk short.
>"Wow! He's cute!"
>Look at title.
>Says it's AI generated.
God FUCKING dammit.
No. 2546275
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Funny how she’s almost 20 years older than him yet looks younger
No. 2546285
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I hope all the short or ugly men finally die out with their incompetent genes.
No. 2546291
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>>2546289Scrotes memes like 'hagmaxxing' are not only are proof that they find 30+ women attractive, but are negging technique as well, they are portrayed as attractive but desperate women clinging to their lost youth, when they are just 32.
No. 2546393
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>>2546291This. There’s a reason MILFs are one of the most popular porn categories. Deep down they know they age like shit so that’s why they try and drag women down with them. Always trying to get women to settle. Remember that manipulation starts with MAN.
No. 2546411
>>2546393You don't have to lie anon. You know damn well milf is not the most popular born category instead it's "teen" which is disturbing.
Don't base your self worth off of moids.
No. 2546456
>>2546442I feel like before the zoomers this was very well understood, the weird hostility between zoomers and millennials and lack of cross-generational friendships among women in the last 5-10 years is contributing to the issue of very young women genuinely believing they won't be attractive after their early 20s. When I was 21-23 I had an older female friend who was idk in her early 30s or so I guess that I sometimes complained to about moids (especially old moids) aggressively hitting on me and creeping on me and she very honestly told me 'girl, I'm not saying that you aren't beautiful and attractive, but they're going after you because you have that aura of youthful naivety that predatory men and especially older men can sniff out and feel like you're vulnerable. Just wait a few years and most of them will leave you alone.' She was 100% correct, once I hit 25-26yo I stopped being constantly hit on and creeped on by 35-60 year old creeps and ugly nerds all the time and most of the men that showed interest in me were peers I actually knew. It was always slightly older women that gave me the best advice when I was early-20s about what to expect but now it seems like a lot of zoomer women just call women a couple years older than them 'old' and don't want to talk to them/take any advice they get as 'jealousy' and it makes them even more afraid of aging instead of less. Moids capitalize on this by trying to convince women of slightly different ages they're in competition with each other or that women over 25/30 are walled jealous old hags, so there's fewer 'big sister' type figures around young girls who can protect them from creeps.
>>2546454I'm tall too and it always annoyed me so much specifically because I don't actually mind dating shorter men. My bf is like 2 inches shorter than me, which I'm fine with. But then that meant I would go on online dates with men who said they were within 2 inches of my height and were actually like 5 inches shorter, and it was really awkward kek.
>>2546455There used to be a weight filter on OKcupid and I actually thought it was a good thing, I wouldn't mind it. Why would a fat woman want to date a moid who hates fat women anyway
No. 2546569
>>2543300This is why I don't get why people have so much sympathy for wizardliz, even on here. Sure, her Nigel is abyssmal, but acting like she is anything but a dumb bitch herself just because she's a
victim is so retarded
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>>2546378No one who is “getting replaced by ai” is an artist, they’re mid tier illustrators at best. Let’s not use big words we don’t know the meaning of.
It’s always shocking when you’re reminded of how unnaturally skewed the perception fatness in men is. Since there are barely any men left who are a healthy weight, what’s biologically FAT isn’t seen as fat anymore. People think invisible ribs, squishy bitch tits and a jiggly cellulite-ridden ass is normal for men to have. It’s not. There has been a complete reversal of what’s natural, if a so called “healthy weight” man woke up as a woman he’d be considered fat, period. A healthy woman has a higher fat % than a healthy man, it’s what god intended for us. But in our society there has been a complete reversal, and the average woman can’t even notice this because she’s been thoroughly brainwashed. It’s sickening how lovingly men defend the looks of other men they want to fuck, when they’d never show this kindness to a woman. They’ll defend a fat, middle aged looking man till their last breath but never a woman. A woman is a thing to be sculpted to perfection, a man is to be loved as he is. Men intentionally caused a hottie extinction, creating a sexual inflation to force women to love ugly specimen. When everyone is fat no one will be. When everyone is ugly no one will be. Instead of endlessly chasing beauty rituals, they can simply destroy the beautiful men and happily be themselves. It feels like I’m being gaslit by Dr Jekyll and Hyde- I see a middle aged obese man, fags see a young and skinny stud. This psy-op might be the first psy-op in the history of humanity, it’s ancient and something that played part in our evolution. It’s ingrained in men and pickme’s to perpetuate it, they all repeat the same phrases like it’s been encoded in them. Literally 1984. It feels like engaging with a swarm of brainless parasitic bugs, all they want to do is kill themselves for the greater good - the greater good being making worthless men cum.
No. 2546874
>>2546603Tbf, 28 is in no way middle-aged, sorry. I agree about the rest.
>>2546663The whole hypergamy mindset is self-hating (wait until you get 'picked' by a moid, find a provider) so no one should be surprised at any hypergamy influencers being self-hating.
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>>2546603I find it interesting that even though a higher percentage of women are obese, there is a higher percentage of overweight males. Women are clustered towards the opposite ends of the weight spectrum, while men are more concentrated in the middle overweight range
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Contestants on The Bachelor vs contestants on The Bachelorette…
No. 2547225
>>2546663>>2546874>Hypergamy influencers are huge losers- they always get with ugly men who hate them and cheat on them while preaching to other women on how they can “achieve” the same fate. It is incredibly similar to how manosphere podcasters talk about how to get women when meanwhile all the women they get involved with are prostitutes.Exactly this. The hypergamy rhetoric is doomed to attract manwhores who will not-so-secretly resent you. The only reason these types of moids even get into relationships is because
other moids expect them to.
No. 2547253
>>2547246I'm the anon above who said I approach everyone and I actually got approached a lot by moids, but pretty much all of the moids who approached me (outside of like normal group settings) were creepy losers. I think there's something about the men who have the audacity to approach strange women that's usually indicative of some strange desperation, having watched PUA content or just being socially unaware (like autistic, not realizing he's ugly/weird, etc). It's harder to classify 'mutual approach' situations like 2 people who happen to sit next to each other in a class and start chatting, but whenever a moid has cold-approached me out of nowhere he almost always turns out to be weird.
This probably wasn't such an issue in the past but now there's a social understanding that strange women want to be left alone so most guys who are more clued-in to social dynamics will avoid being overbearing and approach women with caution. At least that's been my observation.
No. 2547255
>>2544897>>2544901He looks like an otome love interest jfc, he's fucking gorgeous
I need him, this is what I want when I saw I want a pretty guy
No. 2547269
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>>2547229>>2547238I swear, this idea that moids should take charge of everything is a pickme psyop by tradwives in denial to affirm old fashioned gender roles.
No. 2547276
>>2547269Stop recycling bait, it's literally just a day old too. Also this whole discussion is a catch-22.
If you approach them, it inflates their ego and they automatically think you have bigger interest in them than they have in you. If you wait to be approached, you essentially just end up getting harassed by uggos and creeps.
No. 2547285
>>2547273Lol I'm gonna be accused of lying but I was extremely conventionally attractive when I was younger and I actually do think it's true that more self-aware/socially aware moids avoid approaching stereotypically attractive women because they find them intimidating. I had multiple male love interests tell me after I approached them that they never would have approached me because they thought I was out of their league/wouldn't be interested, while I had literal pond-scum looking stinky 5'4 acne-ridden nerds twice my age aggressively pursue me and tell me I'm their ideal type and I absolutely must try dating them. The more self-aware a moid is the less likely he is to assume a woman he's interested in will like him, so waiting for him to approach you is basically waiting for a miracle.
>>2547276nta but how is it bait? Also you don't have to approach men in a way that inflates their ego excessively, just show a normal amount of interest. Moids who are attractive and have healthy self-esteem already know they're attractive to women, so getting approached by one won't be some massive event that totally changes their personality. The only type of moid who suddenly gets a hugely inflated ego from a woman talking to him is an ugly, unappealing moid who never receives any interest from women.
No. 2547287
>>2547218>fat and grotesque, simply as>toddler haircut, wrinkly ballsack eyeskin, serial killer eyes, skin the color of milk, poopshit beard>toddler haircut, 45 years old, 6head, poopshit beard>toddler haircut, 45 years old>toddler haircut, looks like a faggot, 35 years oldWow, who wouldn't want to compete for these hunks?
No. 2547294
>>2547288I mean if you want to settle for the moid that is most roided out and violent and thinks homosocial displays among other moids will get him women that's a courtship strategy I guess…
I think among humans historically (over the last few centuries/millennia anyway) courtship displays were more restrained and social, with moids finding a way to get introduced to a woman by a third party or meet a woman at a social gathering, then show off his manners, fashion, dancing/instrument playing/singing/athletic skills, bringing her gifts, etc. But since dating is kind of a free-for-all now and social propriety doesn't require men to be introduced to eligible women by a third party, they're more likely to just try the numbers game and brute-force it algorithmically rather than trying to impress a specific woman. Only moids who have met you through some modern equivalent of a 'third party' (mutual friends, hobby group, school) will actually try to show off and impress you, but hopefully not with homosocial displays of violence in this century.
>>2547292Kek nonna but have you tried actually talking to the handsome moids? Always worked for me.
No. 2547308
>>2547302Showing off various skills and social niceties relevant to humans (apes and deer don't have the same necessary/relevant skills and social structures as human beings). Pre-industrialization, young/single men and women would either be peasants or working class people who probably grew up together and paired off fairly naturally (or the families had some agreements) or in more aristocratic classes they would only be introduced to one another if they were considered a good match by the people around them (titled, intelligent, having money or property, etc. in some way that would be beneficial to one another or one another's families). It's more complex than that because there were different cultures with different specific social structures, some more patriarchal than others, but usually within any given society the moid's way of impressing a woman would be to show off some skill relevant to survival or social status in that given society, as well as just acting doting and devoted to the woman.
So that could mean, idk, being socially adept, being good at writing letters, being kind and helpful toward her and her family, bringing her gifts/building her stuff, being the most attractive moid of her age group, being physically fit, whatever was relevant at the time. Oftentimes in pre-industrial society girls/women were forced into marriages of course, but to the extent that women got to 'pick' it was usually based on something like that. Humanity never survived or evolved for tard strength, we're one of the slowest/weakest apex predator mammals. We evolved for tool-making, group cooperation (meaning communication skills and social status were very important for human males to attract mates), etc.
All of that is only semi-relevant to modern society though. In the modern context you should get to choose males based on what is important to you, not what males have decided amongst themselves SHOULD be impressive to women. This is why moids are getting so desperate and starting all these incel/PUA/MRA movements, because they have no idea what is actually attractive to modern women and aren't willing to try even when women tell them what we care about kek. So you should just pick the ones that naturally suit your tastes and seem like they would make your life better in some way.
No. 2547342
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No. 2547348
>>2547308But why do naturally muscular men make me horny though? What relevance does that mean in a modern society? Idk if it's the monkey in me as I can like other men barring the fat, bald, and old yet I always go back to one particular man.
does it make me a gay man or porn-addled?. I'm sorry, I'm just not use to fact that despite everything, I'm straight. I like but not the same way other women do.
No. 2547352
>>2547348It means they are fit and healthy. Just because humans haven't evolved for brute strength doesn't mean it's good to be a sickly, unhealthy specimen that can barely move. Basic health and fitness is always going to be the #1 factor in attractiveness before everything else, no matter the species.
>I'm just not use to fact that despite everything, I'm straight. I like but not the same way other women do.Uh what? 100% of straight women are more attracted to fit and attractive men, even if they psyop themselves into pretending to like ugly moids.
No. 2547379
>>2547371Super skinny moids have some of the most visible muscle tone of all though as low BF is the main contributor to looking muscular. Pretty much everyone who is into thinness is into a 'muscular look' it's just a leaner type of muscle than the people into like wrestlers or whatever.
>>2547372Women lie a lot about who they find attractive because they are psyopped into thinking they should be 'nice' or find people similar to their bf/husband 'hot' or 'care about personality a lot' but if you actually go outside and notice what types of men women go crazy for, it's always the most conventionally attractive, young men. Sure some women genuinely have weird 'crushes' on TV characters like BBC Sherlock and claim to have the hots for Benedict Cummerbund but it's because they're a fan of the TV character - if they met a random moid on the street that looked like that they wouldn't even glance at him twice. I've had several conventionally attractive, model-esque male friends/acquaintances and they would get cold opened by women constantly every single time I was out with them. One male friend I had I think I counted 7 cold approaches from women in a single 2-hour outing with him where we went to a barbecue in the park. I went on a 'date' with him (as friends but it would look to outsiders like a date, we went to a restaurant together and were both kinda dressed up) and 2 women walked right up to us on the 'date' and hit on him openly/gave him their number on napkins like I wasn't even there. I've never in my life witnessed anything similar happening to any average/ugly males I know. I think you are a bit naive if you really believe that ugly, fat, unfit or old men are actually women's preference. Most of the time it's just a cope or they think they're nicer/smarter for giving ugly moids with 'good personalities' a chance.
No. 2547409
>>2547404Obviously there is no such thing as a person that will be to everyone's taste but that's not the reason alpha male influencers are stupid at all. Alpha male influencers are stupid because they intentionally lie and grift in order to 1. make money off having an audience and 2. sabotage young men who have more potential to actually be attractive than them. They tell younger moids to do the opposite of what is actually attractive to women (knowing full well it's not attractive to women) because they have a cult-like recruitment mentality, not because they are confused or don't know that women aren't into the alpha moid grift. It's not actually confusing what women want or like on average, moids just resent what women actually want and try to convince each other to stick it to women by disbelieving them, manipulating them, and trying to impress other men instead.
>I will admit I do romanticize a nebulous past away from foppish theatrics and industrial grind cultureWhere you could get indiscriminately raped and murdered with no legal structure to even protect you? Stop that, anon, there has never been a time in history better for women than this one. We have worked hard for this. There are plenty of negative aspects to modern society, moids being really ugly being one of the main ones, but it's not like like for women was better in the past overall.
No. 2547450
>>2547446We're animals that evolved to build things and use tools. There are also plenty of modern human beings that don't live away from nature, if you want to live near nature you still easily can. Except now there are laws and police that somewhat disincentivize moids from just raiding your home in the night, raping you and kidnapping/raping the local children, at least if you live in the wealthier half of the world.
I agree that tech, drugs and microplastics are harming men and making them deranged though. Still many moids got away with being even more deranged and sadistic in the past, it was just papered over or considered acceptable. There was no mass dissemination of porn before giving moids ultraweird fetishes and they weren't all getting fat and bald at 20 but they were still sadistic rape-apes with no one to stop them, in many cases. At least in the modern era you as a woman can have your own money, property, etc. and have a pretty good chance of being left alone/staying relatively safe compared to women in the past. You can own modern weapons like guns (depending where you live) which are the great physical equalizer and you can have an alarm system, even if you want to live out in the forest. Kind of OT though, when it comes to choosing moids who are physically attractive/useful in any way, there are very slim pickings.
No. 2547669
>>2547657As a non-American whenever I saw Bachelorette contestants I assumed this was some kind of agreed-upon 'type' that Americans in general agree is attractive to the largest number of women, because they always look really similar to each other. The Bachelor/Bachelorette casting always seems like it's attempting to cast these really generic 'All American' looking people that have a very bland look, I assumed so they look at least acceptable to the largest number of TV viewers (and also the Bachelor/Bachelorette herself). But it could just be a gay casting director kek
Also the women in that picture all look really similar too, the three women on the left have almost identical hair, similar tilted-head poses and styling, and similar facial proportions (other than the one in the middle having borderline sanpaku eyes which made me kek) and the two women on the right have different hair but identical makeup and poses, and at least from that angle similar facial features too (ultrawhite veneers, broad smile, almond shaped eyes and dimples). They look like they could be two sets of cousins.
No. 2547672
>>2547671I don't think that's true. If you're aiming for attractive guys they usually don't go out with any woman who shows interest in them because they're not that desperate, maybe if you ask them out straight-up they would go on one date with you to see but if it didn't go well they'd just stop seeing you. If you don't act people-pleasing and show your real personality to moids they will reject you if they find it off-putting. And avoid having sex with them early in the relationship, the ones who are just in it for easy sex will give up eventually (unless they're obsessed with conquests but those moids are also the type to approach women first so you're not immune to that type either way).
But also it's better to approach moids who you already think are interested in you, and approaching them doesn't have to mean literally asking them out, just signalling interest is usually good enough if they are interested unless they're really shy or oblivious/insecure. I would avoid very insecure men though, and most men get over shyness by the time they're like 20 anyway.
No. 2547688
>>2547677I thought the comic she posted was funny but you're right that it's inaccurate because women are still the choosers and obviously waiting for moids to approach you doesn't mean that you say yes to every moid who approaches you. There's nothing inherently wrong with waiting to be approached and it works for some women, especially women who are very attractive, are not particularly interested in a specific moid, or just generally have more shy/reserved personalities. However there are several issues I have with the FDS 'wait til he picks you' mentality:
>Sometimes (but not always) relies a lot on appearance (which FDSers also tended to be obsessed with and they had a big overlap with vindicta) and can end up with your only dating options being shallow moids who are solely attracted by your physical appearance or style>Some moids just don't tend to approach first at all, so if your type includes more shy or reserved moids you're SOL, especially if there is a specific one you're interested in and you just keep waiting for him to magically notice you but he didn't immediately notice you or isn't the type to approach>If you're interested in a specific moid but a lot of other women are interested in him too, you could get beaten to the punch by another woman who actually approaches him and miss an opportunity>You could just miss an opportunity in general, even if he doesn't start dating someone else, because (even if he does find you attractive) he assumes you're not interested and you eventually stop running into one another>The type of moids who approach women first are often, as another nonna put it, rejection-insensitive and approaching a lot of women, so you may just end up with a fuckboy who wasn't especially interested in you in the first place even if you wait to be approached, rather than going for the moid you were most attracted to>If you're too attractive or seem intimidating in some way, a moid who's interested may just not approach you because he thinks you're signaling lack of interest>You may end up feeling a lack of agency in your love life and wondering if you missed opportunities for better relationships and kicking yourself/regretting it (this is probably the worst one imo)>If you're an outgoing person, it may be very uncomfortable and unnatural to avoid approaching people you're interested in, and you may come off as actively disliking that one person if you're friendly to everyone else but distant toward him>A moid who may have ended up liking you a lot if you made the first move may not approach you because you aren't his normal 'type,' another missed opportunity>If you're the type of woman who has a lot of male friends or even one good male friend, other men may assume you are not single/dating one of them and therefore not approach you if you don't give him a signal that you're singleCombine all of this with the fact that attractive, socially adept men are far more rare than attractive, socially adept women and the odds can end up stacked against you if you just wait for moids to approach you because you will probably end up getting approached more often by moids below your level when you could have just approached the rare attractive one as soon as you were interested. I don't really see any extremely compelling reason to establish a rule that you shouldn't go after the (rare) men you want and should just hope one of them will roll up to you one day when attractive moids often have multiple options.
>Pursuing a man doesn't automatically make you some sort of girlboss and plenty of women who do this end up bagging lazy/low-effort moids and end up proposing to him.I agree with this but there's a difference between approaching/making the first move and actively pursuing/chasing a moid. Once you approach or make the first move the ball is in his court, you should stop 'pursuing' if your initial attempts are not reciprocated. You definitely should not stay in a relationship for any length of time with a moid who consistently puts little effort in and doesn't seem that interested in you, but this can equally happen whether you or he made the first move. Especially if a moid is just indiscriminately approaching many women because 'it's a numbers game' or if he approached you because of your looks but ended up not being that enamored with your personality, he is likely to be a low-effort date/boyfriend anyway and there's always time to dump him at that point. The FDS advice (combined with the other advice they give) can end up cornering women so they're 'waiting' for a long time and end up lowering their guard and accepting sub-par, ugly men if they don't get approached very often, just because they've been following some arbitrary rule that they can't make first contact. If you're making opportunities for yourself to potentially date the men you find attractive, you're actually less likely to 'settle' out of frustration.
No. 2547696
>>2547677I'm really biased because last time I was the one actively pursuing a moid he turned out to be biggest faggot of a straight guy imaginable (my fault for not vetting properly - though in my defense, he seemed less fagott-y before the relationship and I was young/naive). So now I just associate it with mentally weak men who are too wimpy to ask out a woman they like and that wimpiness also translating to other areas in life.
Obviously this isn't going to be universal, but I would make sure to double-check that aspect specifically to make sure he's not overly low-effort/wimpy/pathetic etc …
No. 2547701
>>2547696I have the opposite experience, my relationships that went the best (including to my current boyfriend/spouse) all came from me making the first move. The worst wimpy, wishy-washy coward of a moid I ever tried to date approached me/showed interest first, but then ended up ghosting me for 4 months out of nowhere because he had a random mental/emotional breakdown completely unrelated to me and I felt like I was on the back foot even though he had initially enthusiastically approached me. I also short-term dated some other guys who were really lame who approached me first, and ended up breaking off with all of them because I realized I'd only agreed to date them since they approached me first and I wanted to 'give them a chance,' which obviously was never the case when I approached first.
The only good relationship I had where someone approached me first was a woman kek but that one also briefly went to shit because her ex came back to town and she couldn't decide whether to get back together with him which ended up poisoning the relationship in the end because I never really got over it even though I still dated her for a few months after that. So personally I have just seen no benefit in being approached first, haven't noticed that it actually made the person more loyal or invested or reliable, and ended up dating people I didn't like that much just because I felt like I should give them a chance. On the other hand when I approached first it usually worked out much better, but then again I think I have a very specific type of person I like and a good instinct for who would make a good partner for me, and those people don't come around very often.
No. 2547704
>>2547688I agree with most of what you said and don't believe in most of the FDS nonsense, but "if you don't approach, you'll miss out" is scarcity thinking and caused by desperation. There's nothing wrong with making the first move on a moid (especially if you find him attractive), but generally it shows that you're way more interested in him than he is in you (and might not even be aware of your existence) which can set up an unequal dynamic in his favor where you're trying to impress him and he's along for the ride.
Yes, if a man approaches you, he might be approaching many women, but if he doesn't approach you, he also might be the type to sit back, put in no effort, and take whatever woman throws himself at him. It's all speculation. I generally look at the behavior in front of me and interpret it as I get to know him more. Do I want a passive laidback moid who has no sense of urgency and doesn't even know I exist, or do I want a moid who attempts to entertain me, be attractive, and court me? Do I want a moid who is too intimidated to talk to me and try to impress me (which means he'll be a useless and passive partner), or do I want a moid who has the confidence (not arrogance) and competence to show me a nice time? You get the idea.
I've approached men in the past and it's never really worked out for me. All I've ever gotten men who are lazy/passive and put in no effort. You can just say they weren't interested in me, but they'd fall off after knowing they wouldn't get any sex/gf benefits from me. Generally, if you ask other women if approaching men has gotten them a good partner, it's always "no." The women who have approached men always end up in relationships where she's mommying him and proposing to him. Trust me, I'd really love to believe that making the first move is the best choice for women because I am a very social and energetic person. But I don't think it's the best strategy to getting a good partner. Maybe a short-term fling/FWB at most. I'd say it's a "numbers game" for women too, except the more moids you exclude, the better chances of finding a decent man. Perhaps that's why approaching men doesn't work for most.
>>2547696I've approached a few moids and I've had the same thing happen, although I didn't even up in a relationship or had sex with them. They are absolutely wimpy and don't have ambition towards anything in their lives. They're not like women, where a romantically shy woman can actually be a very ambitious person in her personal or business life, and a passionate lover. Men who are too intimidated/scared to approach a woman they like are pathetic and worthless. Having a woman approve of him and accept him as a partner is the biggest motivator for a moid so if he can't even work for that then he just plain sucks.
No. 2547721
>>2547704>but "if you don't approach, you'll miss out" is scarcity thinking and caused by desperation. I disagree. At least in my case, I never approached people out of desperation (the times I approached people I had not been intending to date anyone and was happy being single and not looking at all) but I have very specific standards and on the very rare occasions I met someone who fit those standards I thought it would be crazy to let the opportunity pass. When I first met my current boyfriend all my friends and even my mom were shocked that I started dating him because they were like 'oh I really didn't think you were open to being in a relationship right now.' It's not 'desperate' to go for the people that you actually think could be your life partner, and imo it's much better than cyclical and likely dead-end dating whenever someone who seems like they have some potential asks you out. If you have very broad standards or feel like you could easily like many people, I could see how it might seem like 'desperation' to ask out every person you like, but when you're like me and only meet a handful of people in your life you're truly interested in, it's the only thing that makes sense.
>generally it shows that you're way more interested in him than he is in youI don't think it shows that at all. Which person approaches first has almost nothing to do with how interested they are, and has a lot more to do with that person's basic personality. Someone very outgoing and open to approaching people could ask out dozens of people over a month or two and have very little investment in them, and someone could have a 10-year-long crush on their best friend but not make a move because they don't want to ruin the friendship even though they're madly in love. At the stage that most people are 'approaching' you likely don't know much about the person anyway, so you can't predict how much you will each end up liking the other until you've actually interacted more. Saying you can predict eventual relationship investment based on who makes the first move is like saying you can predict who wins a chess game based on the movement of the first pawn. All you're doing is initiating something, you have to see what happens next before you can say anything about who likes who more.
>an unequal dynamic in his favor where you're trying to impress him and he's along for the ride.The obvious answer to this is that women shouldn't try to impress moids, moids should try to impress women. Has nothing to do with who makes the first move.
>I've approached men in the past and it's never really worked out for me. As I said above
>>2547701 all my most successful relationships except one came from me approaching first, including my current relationship which is likely to be my last. I think I have a good instinct for who things will work out with, and I have a very proactive personality. Almost all my friendships are the same, all my closest friends in my life have been women/girls I approached first. This might just be a personality difference, or maybe we're defining 'approaching/making the first move' differently, because I don't think making the first move means you then have to madly pursue, court, and chase after someone, you're just making them aware of your interest in them so they know they have a chance. You don't have to go begging them to like you back or anything kek.
>they'd fall off after knowing they wouldn't get any sex/gf benefits from meAt least on the bright side you seemed to vet them successfully in the first few months of the relationship. I can't tolerate spending significant one-on-one time with people who don't totally adore me, so if someone didn't seem like the right fit for me and we weren't getting along great (always people who asked me out first, ironically) I'd usually stop seeing them after the second-third date and avoid wasting too much time. It seems like the issue from what you're saying is not who approaches first but the attitude of putting up with someone who doesn't act invested in you and hoping it will get better or they will eventually start liking you more. That's obviously a waste of time, but imo making the first move is not and costs you nothing. At that stage people aren't going to know you all that well or be madly in love with you anyway, most of the time (with the exception of the aforementioned unrequited love for your friend of 10 years example), so how much effort someone puts in before they know me just doesn't seem important to me.
>the more moids you exclude, the better chances of finding a decent manI guess my issue is that I already exclude 99.9% of all the moids I meet right off the bat so when I met the one in a thousand I thought had potential I wasn't going to just sit there hoping he could read my mind before he says yes to one of the dozen other girls likely to ask him out in the meantime. I also think I give off intimidating vibes/vibes that I don't like people very much because of my personality so I'm used to having to give people hints that I actually like them (in friendships also).
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>>2546291I hate these retarded memes, you can tell they're just fetishizing a specific look they associated with being older (big boobs, curvy, etc) than it being about what an average older woman is like. I'm 28 which would be "hag age" already for these males and I didn't suddenly grow a massive rack.
>>2547218Imagine competing to date any of these mid ass males.
>>2547704>Men who are too intimidated/scared to approach a woman they like are pathetic and worthless. I've seen a lot of men like this and they definitely had no ambition, wouldn't make any moves on women even when they were in mixed sex spaces, they're just pathetic and feel way too passive and like they think they're the prize and women are the ones who should be going out of their way for them. Seems like a growing mindset in them too since a lot of them think it's old fashioned that they have to approach women nowadays. Also at least when women wait to be approached they're usually still putting effort into themselves, have more value by default as the woman and more
valid reasons for it, like it being riskier to approach random males. They have no real excuse other than being whimps who expect women to coddle them.
No. 2547736
>>2547732Kek the 'hag' in the meme looks the same as 14 year old anime girls anyway other than the huge boobs, which you either have or don't.
>Imagine competing to date any of these mid ass males.They're not, they're competing for money/fame honestly speaking, but I think the males in that photo are contestants (so, competing for the same woman) not the men being competed over. I feel bad for that woman that she has such a narrow range of ugly, identical-looking moids in golf shirts with toddler haircuts to choose between.
>it being riskier to approach random malesYou definitely shouldn't approach random males. I think it's fine to approach men, but they shouldn't be random, they should be people you know something about already and have met at least a few times. If you're gonna approach men romantically you should do a lot of the 'vetting' already before you consider approaching them, and should probably only approach them if you think they are or at least might be/could be interested in you. And obviously you should never, ever approach ugly moids who put no effort into their lives or appearance, nor agree to date moids like that if they approach you first.
No. 2547754
>>2547736It's like they think if you age a day past 25 you'll suddenly have big boobs and a whole different body type all of a sudden. And when they're not doing that they're doing the 500 year old loli meme where the woman looks like she's 10 forever even if she's much older. No inbetween.
>I think the males in that photo are contestants (so, competing for the same woman) not the men being competed over.I see, I don't really watch these shows so I didn't know that's how it works. Still pretty bad though yeah.
>you should never, ever approach ugly moids who put no effort into their lives or appearance, nor agree to date moids like that if they approach you first.Definitely.
No. 2547757
>>2547721>hoping he could read my mind before he says yes to one of the dozen other girls likely to ask him out in the meantimeThis is the desperation I'm talking about, not the fact that you approach. The mindset of "I have to make a move or I'll lose this moid forever" which I don't feel that any moid is that irreplaceable unless I've gotten into a relationship with him and he's proven himself to be a perfect partner after years. And also, I want to feel like a man is scared to lose out on me and I want him to pine after me, so the idea of "I have to ask him out or I might miss out on him forever" is not my preferred dynamic. If I'm in that position to begin with, I'm probably not going to give a fuck about him especially if we've been in a situation where we've spoken and been around each other (since I'm assuming you're not talking about cold approaching, but at least being acquaintances). If he still isn't interested in me? Then fuck off.
>Saying you can predict eventual relationship investment based on who makes the first move is like saying you can predict who wins a chess game based on the movement of the first pawnTrue, there are risks to both approaching and waiting (like you said, feeling pressured to accepting going out with a man you aren't interested in), so maybe it depends more on the personality of both parties and what the woman is looking for. I definitely didn't try to "impress" moids when I approached them, but I think most women get stuck in bad relationships by approaching men because the woman are people pleasers. It's riskier for women, especially since a woman who approaches is more likely not to be critical of men to begin with (not talking about you, I mean in general). I'm glad it worked out for you but I just think the shitty man ratio is too high and women have too high a chance of approaching a stinker.
>but imo making the first move is not and costs you nothingMaybe, but interacting with moids drains my energy and sanity, even if I only cut them off after a few days or a week. I suppose I just don't like men who don't show any interest in me, and me having to approach turns me off now. I don't think it's a good strategy for most women. But it worked for you, so that's good. I got a good IRL relationship starting from online dating, but I definitely wouldn't suggest women date men online. Too many issues and pitfalls. Just because we got lucky doesn't mean it's a good strategy for most women.
No. 2547758
>>2547754I guess some women get bigger boobs after they've been pregnant (or if they gain a ton of weight) but if you retain a similar body type to when you were younger, your boobs are not gonna magically grow 3 sizes after age 25. Then again, this is the sex that thinks we pee out of our vaginas we're talking about here, and who think we can just 'hold in' our periods, so I don't think they really know anything about female anatomy/biology.
>I don't really watch these shows so I didn't know that's how it works.I don't watch them either but 2 of my friends are obsessed with the bachelor for some reason, I think those are the 'bachelorette' contestants where like 20 or 30 men all compete over one woman, unless they changed the format recently.
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Ape behavior
No. 2547794
>>2547757>This is the desperation I'm talking aboutBeing 'desperate' refers to wanting to be in a relationship badly, or not being comfortable being single. Being proactive about a specific person you are interested in is not 'desperation' it's having the self-respect to go after what you want, knowing that you don't want to settle for any relationship but are interested in having a relationship with people who you prefer or who suit your tastes the most. There isn't some soulmate dispenser in heaven, if you think someone has the potential to be the right person for you I think it makes perfect sense to be proactive about it because good male partners are rare. It's interesting that you were calling moids 'wimpy and lacking ambition' for not asking out girls they like quickly enough and not calling men 'desperate' for asking out women they're interested in, but saying it's proactive and a sign of ambition, but you have a double standard for women that if we're not passive we are 'desperate.' I'm not really into genderwoo masculine/feminine essences stuff so I think if it's not desperate for a moid to act with urgency to show interest before a woman he's interested in moves on with someone else, it's not desperate for a woman to act in a timely fashion to show interest before a moid gets with someone else either. When a job I really want pops up I don't wait a few months to submit my resume either, even if I'm not 'desperate' to switch jobs - I just know that if I wait around they might hire someone else before me, and then I would lose a good opportunity even if I'm fine with my current employment situation. I would still prefer a chance at getting the dream job to waiting so long I don't get a chance at an interview. If a woman is happy to spend years and years single and not looking, but then meets a man she thinks could be a potential long term partner and shows interest in him, that's not 'desperate,' that's being proactive.
>I don't feel that any moid is that irreplaceableAgain, I meet people I'm interested in very rarely. If you meet people you're interested in frequently, I could see how this wouldn't matter to you, but I have very specific (and what some people might consider unreasonable) standards. For people with highly specific standards, it makes sense to take opportunities when they appear. Conversely I've found it a huge waste of time and regretted saying yes to most/all of the men who approached me first even if they were generally attractive, smart and interesting because I could have known beforehand they weren't really what I wanted. If you're more unsure what specifically you're looking for it could be a fine way to vet men though.
>I want to feel like a man is scared to lose out on me and I want him to pine after meHow does this work before you really know each other and if you haven't even shown any signs of interest? I find men desperately pining over women they don't know that well who haven't shown any interest in them kind of creepy, maybe because I've been stalked before. I would want some baseline mutual curiosity about each other to be established before any fear and pining. I don't have an expectation that every moid who sets eyes on me will instantly fall in love with me, so I wouldn't be insulted that someone wasn't pining over me if I hadn't even shown any indication of interest toward them or ever spoken to them.
>I'm assuming you're not talking about cold approachingI'm against cold approaching so no, but FDS 'rules' call any interaction that you start 'an approach' so under the 'FDS guidelines' just asking him to pass you a pencil or saying 'hi, I'm anon' would be verboten until he's spoken to you first. I'm using 'approach' to mean either initiating the first interaction with someone in your environment (or, if you were platonic friends/acquaintances for some time first) indicating romantic interest in some way before they have asked you out.
>I think most women get stuck in bad relationships by approaching men because the woman are people pleasers. I definitely agree with this and think it is the main issue in dating caused by female socialization, but having been the opposite of people-pleasing my whole life I don't get stuck in that particular rut and end up feeling frustrated with my friends who do. I know the type of woman you're talking about and I agree that when they set their sights on someone and follow them around like a puppy trying to impress them it leaves them open to being taken advantage of by really shitty lazy moids, I have seen it too. So I take your point on that, I think it is a personality difference.
>interacting with moids drains my energy and sanity, even if I only cut them off after a few days or a week.Normally it does, but I guess that's exactly why I think it's worth it to approach the ones I think I'm actually going to get along with. Worst case they don't reciprocate the interest and I can stop wondering and move on. Best case they do reciprocate the interest and I can spend time getting to know someone I have a high chance of liking, instead of the moids who have approached me who in retrospect I had a low chance of liking enough to not feel like dating them was a waste of time.
>Just because we got lucky doesn't mean it's a good strategy for most women.I don't feel like it was 'getting lucky' though because it's the only strategy that's ever consistently worked for me, not just in romantic relationships but in friendships too. It has pretty much never failed (I did break up with a few of the people I did this with, but I'm still good friends with all but one of them, and that was because he was too hung up on me romantically to remain friends - so it definitely wasn't a lack of investment on his part). Meanwhile I'm not even in contact with any of the men who approached me first except for one I chat with 1-3 times per year about our shared hobby/career. I think my attitude is just different because actually in my life I saw a consistent pattern of approaching first working out much better, and I have other friends in relationships with the same experience as me. I also have a male friend since middle school (I'm now in my thirties) who ended up married to the only woman who ever approached him first (yes he proposed lol), and he is constantly gushing about how much he loves her to me whenever we talk, while he was always a lot more 'yeah, she's cool, great girl' about all his previous girlfriends. He told me he didn't initially consider her romantically although they were acquainted for a while because he always had a very specific physical type, and he didn't even know what being in love was really like until he dated her. He was obsessed with her pretty soon after they started dating and it's been, idk, at least 6-7 years now and he's still seemingly obsessed with her.
I agree with you that I don't like men who don't show interest in me, but I care about the level of interest once they have talked to me a bit and know me better a lot more than I care about them asking me out or flirting just because they initially like how I look. Plenty of men like lots of women's looks but they won't necessarily start flirting aggressively with every girl they find pretty, not because they're weak/pathetic but because they don't want to make things awkward if the girl doesn't reciprocate his advances or just because they're popular with women and the norm now is for both men and women to approach each other, so if lots of women are approaching him and one woman in particular is not talking to him, he may just assume she doesn't want to, which would be a fair assumption.
TL;DR I think approaching men first is good if you have highly specific standards (I don't mean just 'high standards' but like very specific characteristics that are non-negotiable for you), are confident that you are good at getting reads on people and are able to move on quickly if the person doesn't seem to reciprocate your interest, and also if you (like me) don't seem easy to approach to other people. If you're worried you would fall into a pattern of continuing to chase a moid and try to impress him even if he doesn't seem very into you, you should probably wait for moids to express interest first.
No. 2547850
>>2547794>but you have a double standard for women that if we're not passive we are 'desperate.'I only think it's desperate because you believe you're in competition with other women, and you have to win over and prove your value to your moid first before another woman snatches him up. If that's not desperation, I don't know what is. For me, a man's value comes not only from his looks or personality, but his ability to appreciate me for me, not because I was the first to snatch him up, so to speak. We're talking about acquaintances here, so people we've had conversations with and not just cold approaches based off of looks. I'm not fighting off other woman for a man.
If you approach a man based off of "he seems cute and interesting, I want to get to know him better" then fine. Not "what if another woman snatches him up? I have to act fast." That's desperation. And yes, men should be desperate to win over the woman they're interested in. The issue is that you see yourself as replaceable and expendable while your Nigel is super special and one-of-a-kind and being with him is a once-in-a-lifetime chance. I just don't encourage women seeing themselves that way.
To nail this point home again, there's nothing wrong with asking men out in itself but the intent and mindset behind it certainly matters.
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This HAS to be fucking ragebait
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>>2547925>attraction "goes deeper" for women>but not for menLMAO
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>>2547925>Piers Morgan's eyesPigs have nicer eyes ffs
No. 2548029
>>2547850>If you approach a man based off of "he seems cute and interesting, I want to get to know him better" then fine. Not "what if another woman snatches him up? I have to act fast." That's desperation. And yes, men should be desperate to win over the woman they're interested in. The issue is that you see yourself as replaceable and expendable while your Nigel is super special and one-of-a-kind and being with him is a once-in-a-lifetime chance.It's a bit more nuanced than that. It's like
>>2547884 an attractive moid that's actually worth it is rare but there many beautiful women who are kind and have interesting personalities, there are not
that many fish in the sea, and most of us won't get one. So if she sees someone that actually fits her standards she shouldn't waste her time and approach him. I think you're conflating the sole act of approaching someone that catches her eye and interest to see if he can make a good partner with instantly falling in love and continuously throwing herself at a moid. Also approaching a moid doesn't always need to go "you're so attractive give me your number please" they can meet in a group of friends, through an event, through a class and the woman just happens to start the conversation first. Either way, even if you approach the moid first or not, if you don't feel like his efforts to appeal to you are enough, won't you just lose interest and stop pursuing him? It's simply a matter of standards and women's idea of having and loving a partner (who is usually a scrote). They don't understand that even if someone is their type that doesn't make them good partners, too many women just want to love and don't care about getting something out of a relationship because they subconciously think men are like them and if they're putting so much effort into loving them the scrote will reciprocate, women in general don't value their labour.
No. 2548037
>>2547850It's not about competition, you don't have to be actively 'competing' with other women at all. I would never feel angry or jealous toward another woman because a man I was interested in liked her, I would just assume he's more interested in her so he's not right for me - if I had at least given him some indication that I was interested. One of my sort-of-exgfs who I was 'talking to' as the kids these days say ended up meeting a man who instantly formally asked her out, and I was not jealous or resentful of him at all and am in fact really good friends with him now (they eventually broke up after several years). But I was grateful in that situation that right before she met him, I had expressed interest in actually seriously dating her, because then when she 'picked' him over me I didn't have any doubts over whether things would have been different if I had just said something. Me saying something to her because I thought she might get snapped up by someone else wasn't 'competing with hypothetical men,' it was just taking the opportunity to make my interest known because we'd had a pseudo-dating dynamic for a while, and shooting my shot failed but I am still really good friends with both of them. I know if I had never asked her out and she had started dating him, I would have wondered if I missed my chance and she dated him just because she didn't know I really liked her, and probably would have regretted that. With a hypothetical moid I'm interested in, it's the same scenario - if I hung back, never giving him any indication I even wanted to talk to him or get to know him, because 'women have to be in their feminine receiver energy' or something, I might end up going damn, I wonder if he maybe was or could have been interested in me if only I had tried to say hi.
It has absolutely nothing to do with 'winning over' someone or 'proving your value,' and the fact you keep using terms like this or 'chasing,' 'pursuing,' etc. makes me think you are projecting something you have seen with other people onto a totally different scenario. Coming up to someone you've seen around and saying hello, or giving indicators of romantic interest, isn't winning over or proving anything, it is just existing and acting naturally. Before encountering FDS in my late 20s (when I was done my whole dating era) I had never thought analytically about anything like this before because I just always did what came most easily and naturally to me, existing and being honest with people when I thought we might click. There's nothing about that that is performative, competitive, trying to 'impress' someone or whatever, it's just the normal way that people socialized before dating advice youtubers and apps made things really overwrought. You would make your interest in someone obvious and they would reciprocate or not; if they didn't reciprocate you would move on (if you were a person with healthy self esteem anyway). It's rare to meet people you can really click with, so it's natural to want to see if you can get to know them better. I was intrigued by some of the FDS advice because some of it seemed solid and other parts seemed extremely counterintuitive/trad, this being one of those things.
>If that's not desperation, I don't know what is.I already explained the definition of 'desperate' in the post above.
>a man's value comes not only from his looks or personality, but his ability to appreciate me for meAnd how will he truly know you if you have never spoken or hung out before? Because you are the prettiest of all the girls in the land? I already said above, FDS defines 'approaching' as speaking to or interacting with someone first. It's not a 'cold approach' to say hi to someone in your class, hobby group, or at a party with mutual friends. And even if you use the other definition of 'approach' I gave, which is signaling romantic interest to an acquaintance that you know somewhat, you still haven't really gotten to know each other one on one presumably, and an acquaintance may not realize they have a chance with you unless you signal interest. Someone's gotta do it, and I don't see why it can't be a woman who does it. Why is it desperate for a woman to signal interest but based and enterprising for a moid to do so? That's just a conservative 'women are from mars men are from venus' muh skullinity gender role, but it doesn't even make sense in many individual situations and in a modern context where men know it can be considered creepy or awkward to hit on women who don't seem interested in them. I don't know why with friends and female romantic interests it's completely fine for me to show interest in getting to know them better first, but suddenly if it's a moid it makes me a desperate competitive hoe who's trying to 'prove my worth.' Flirting with someone isn't hard, it's not some incredibly daunting hoop to jump through that shows my 'value'. If you act uninterested in someone for long enough they might just think you're not interested because that's what you're putting out, and then yes, they may just give up or decide to date someone who does seem interested in them, even if they actually liked you a lot or would have liked you if they'd gotten to know you.
In fact I don't assume I'm better and cooler than all other women so if I'm interested in a moid (but keeping that interest a secret) and another woman comes along, I don't assume he will automatically not like her and only like me, because she might be really great too. Your framing seems to be that it's 'competitive' to believe that other women could be equally charming or attractive, but it's just realistic. There are few eligible moids and many eligible women, and the ones that actually make their interest known are likely to have better luck.
>The issue is that you see yourself as replaceable and expendable while your Nigel is super special and one-of-a-kind and being with him is a once-in-a-lifetime chance. Not at all. This seems like projection again. I am the center of my own universe and the most important person to myself, therefore I go after things I want. Everyone else also is the most important person to themselves. Before you've start to get to know someone romantically or platonically, they are always 'replaceable' because they're essentially nothing to you, but there is a potential for them to become important. I don't view moids I haven't gotten to know yet as 'irreplaceable' and I don't expect them to view me as irreplaceable either until they know me, but a window of opportunity or potential can close up if you leave it sitting there. It seems like you are saying that someone who doesn't know you yet beyond vague pleasantries should view you as irreplaceable, while you view them as expendable, which doesn't make sense. I may be a bit of a misandrist but I am certainly not a misogynist, so before a moid knows me well there's no reason for him to view all other women as expendable but only me as irreplaceable because those other women are in theory no worse than me. If I show interest in a moid and he doesn't show interest back, he continues to be unimportant to me and I move on with my day. If he happens to take the hint and show interest back he may become important to me, if in fact my suspicion that we would click was correct, which my suspicions about this have typically been, and I don't have to keep waiting around being hyperanalytical about social situations which should be essentially simple and easy. No jumping through hoops and 'proving yourself to moids' required.
Clearly some people have different personal experiences and they can do what they want, but in my browsing of FDS I noticed there were a lot of tormented women acting hyperanalytical about moid actions, 'waiting' endlessly, lowering their standards when a moid actually approached them because he seemed to be meeting the benchmarks for approaching and putting in effort, and then finding out he was a loser scrote anyway, trying to follow 'rules' to the letter set by other women with unfulfilling dating histories, etc. and passing on the neuroses to other younger women. I think it's all a little terminally online, and they seem more frustrated and unhappy than many of the women I know who just trust themselves and go with their gut. Thewizardliz is a very public example of this phenomenon and I don't think it's a very good strategy - the moid who 'picked' her (aka manipulated her by following all the rules she laid out on her channel to the letter) was an ugly rat faced cheater with an embarrassing job. I don't even think there should be much 'strategy' involved in personal relationships at all. The most important thing is to develop high self esteem and be happy with yourself. To me all the 'rule following' and waiting to be picked and ruminating seems a lot more stressful (and, honestly, desperate, while trying to project non-desperation) than just doing things the normal way. I find it concerning that many women seem to be falling for an ideology that is less about finding a moid you're actually attracted to than being as attractive to as many moids as possible and then trying to sift through them all on the basis of something other than how much you like them - it seems very regressive.
>>2547884Exactly. Obviously I'm not 'expendable' to myself, no woman is, but like most women I also don't have the other
nonny's problem of needing to arbitrarily introduce additional dating rules to cull the hordes of otherwise perfect men throwing themselves at me left and right. If you are so inundated with dating applications from pining, obsessed 10/10 men that you need to ruthlessly cull them by acting fake-cold toward them and seeing which ones will jump over that hurdle for you before you've ever hung out one-on-one, you are fortunate in the dating market indeed.
No. 2548159
>>2548029I feel like a lot of FDA PUA type people don’t realize that the tried and true “dropping the handkerchief” is the woman approaching first and signaling “I’ve picked you, and if you follow up you will have success.” The man isn’t really picking prey out of the herd and hunting you down (men who do this exclusively catch, consume, and move on to the next gazelle).
A soft approach by a woman gives men have the option of ignoring the signal or interpreting it as friendly which can save face for and spare the feelings of both parties. Men and women don’t have a mating ritual script anymore because men keep wanting to rewrite it to suit themselves for when they want variety vs when they want to settle down because they want to have their cake and eat it too. A woman shouldn’t try to draft new strategies around men’s preferences because just not getting the existing ones already signals that he has low emotional intelligence and will be lacking in all other areas as a partner.
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Chatgpt now has a looksmatch feature and ugly men are absolutely seething over it.
No. 2548237
>>2548227kek
nonnie never lose your whimsy
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>>2548282He looks similar to the original cartoon Gomez. John Astin and Carolyn Jones from the 60s were the most attractive Gomez and Morticia pair in live action IMO, not the 90s cast
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>>2547905They're so insanely delicate with their little moid feelings, they can't handle 10% of what women put up with from them. Oh no, woman saves picture of man. Oh no, woman has height standards when they nitpick every aspect of a woman's appearance. I was browsing youtube comment meltdowns on videos about the tinder height filter earlier and they're the most hilarious combination of both cope and seethe
>Women are the majority of customers of tinder, and now they're making their dating pool even smaller!Uh no moid, the average woman gets more matches per week on tinder than you will get in your entire life. That's why there's filters for shit women care about, while moids find it so hard to get a match they need to program bots to continuously swipe right for them.
>We should get a fat filter, checkmate wahmen!The average BMI of US males is higher than US women, so maybe you should worry about yourself, looks like that's gonna backfire on you
>Only (some random fake percentage of moids) is over 6 feet tall in the US! They're losing like 85% of potential matches!Women were already doing that, retard. Do you think they can't read? Now they can just do it faster. But keep coping that she would have totally swiped right on you based on the beauty of your face if she had been forced to swipe through your profile.
>Women having a height preference is totally new, women never cared about height pre-2010! Right.
>"when I did use dating sites, I got rejected countless times due to my height, 5'7, which can be average height for men in certain parts of the UK. Men are normally taller in the South West, Essex, than in the Midlands, North or the South East. If you go to Halifax, seeing men under 5'10 is the norm. Women are way too specific."The average height for moids in the UK is 5'10, but if pointing out that the UK cities with all the South Asian migrant men makes you feel better about yourself, go for it. Maybe if you got off tinder and moved to Halifax, you would almost be average height and all the women would pick you!
>First moid in picrel claims he's in the "top 2%" for having slightly above the average full time salary for a US moid and being approx. the average height of a US moid under 45, kekThat's some funny math
>Second moid in picrel thinks he's ugly to women because his hair is slightly messy. Guess he's never heard of a comb. >Oh and apparently he looks like a serial killer, almost forgot to mentionOh, I almost forgot my favourite one:
>There were already height filters for hinge and other apps>Yes but on the other apps you can message anyway even if she doesn't match with you! On tinder you can't even spam her with messages if she swipes left!Why are they so pathetic? Do they really think if they somehow manage to sneak by a woman's actual height preference they will get a good one liner like 'sup' in and the ugly fat woman they want to be able to filter out so badly won't be able to resist them after reading their thrilling message? Do they actually believe that Tinder will make it mandatory to be 6 feet tall now/that all women will set the filter at 6 feet, and if so, why did the manlets think they had a chance before the filter being implemented? So many questions.
No. 2548579
>>2548507>>We should get a fat filter, checkmate wahmen!I would love for men to have a fat filter. I have no clue what they consider fat, but if it includes me I want to be automatically withdrawn from their dating pool. When I tried apps one of my biggest fears was looking skinnier in photos that irl and being considered a catfish, so it would be nice to bypass that potential issue entirely.
Of course, men can't comprehend actually wanting your partner to find you attractive or putting in the effort to be attractive to women, they are completely comfortable with tricking, pressuring or manipulating women into dating men they aren't attracted to.
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>>2548574I wish it was that but I think for a lot of women it's just a reflection of internalizing body image issues/beauty standards, many women feel that men won't find them attractive (or feel like they're taking up too much space themselves) if they are larger/taller than the moid and feel self conscious dating a moid who is smaller so they will preferentially date a larger guy even if he is uglier. But also some women are just ruthless about height and care a lot about it, and it's one of the easiest things to filter for when moids always have their height in dating profiles kek. You can't even filter for baldness, my friend found a 'hot' (he wasn't, but she has bad taste) long haired metalhead looking guy on the apps that she was talking to who also looked 'young for his age,' they had already set up a date and then she found his fb and he was almost completely bald and fat. The photos he was using were like 10+ years old. When moids are always catfishing with old pics and hatfishing, at least you know their height doesn't change. Just subtract 3 inches from whatever they say it is kek.
>>2548579I agree, the last time I used a dating website (a long long time ago) I purposely picked unflattering pics where I looked fatter than usual because I was so paranoid I'd be accused of catfishing and wasting my time with some moid obsessed with thinness. I think most women would love to have moids filter them by weight and leave them alone. It's just funny when moids are more likely to be fat than women that they think this is some incredible uno reverse. If I was on tinder I would happily filter moids by weight as well.
>Of course, men can't comprehend actually wanting your partner to find you attractive or putting in the effort No they can't because they have no shame and don't even understand how ugly they are. They think they should be rewarded just for existing and can't empathize with the feeling of wanting your partner to be attracted to you, because they don't care if women are attracted to them.
A few more choice comments I found:
>"Height is just the beginning. A woman with a professional career is very unlikely to date, much less marry, a blue collar man."Abloobloo, why won't rich lawyers and doctors date me? I thought being 6' was enough!
>"As a tall guy, i'd be very wary of women only wanting to date you for your height. That's not a good foundation for a meaningful relationship. Always ask yourself, would this person date me if I didn't have money, if I wasn't tall, If I wasn't famous etc."Somehow I doubt he would be sperging in the comments about the mean tinder women if he was actually famous. But who knows, maybe it's Jacob Elordi on a burner account upset that women only want him for his height, not his heart of gold.
>Moid brags that his first message to women on the apps is 'so how many children do you have?' and they never respond, therefore proving his theory that all women on tinder are single mothers!Yes, that is why they're ghosting you for sure. Hope you keep using this opener on every woman who matches with you, you're doing so good sweetie
>Genius moid attempts to have empathy for women, speculates that 5'6 women don't want to date 5'8 men because they are 'insecure about being short' themselves kek>Moid brags he has taller wife who he won over with his charisma, another moid responds 'watch her closely.' Another moid says 'you'll be part of the 60% soon enough.'Literally their own worst enemies kek. I can't believe women want to date taller men! Wait no, you can't date a taller woman, tall women are evil jezebels!
>"Most women don’t even know how to use a tape measure, so I don’t understand this “ he has to be at least 6’” senario." - apparently written by a woman kek>"Everybody should just lie on the height to waste the women's time who use the filter and tinder's labor to make the feature. Make the feature meaningless. You can make content on the women's reactions too lol"Further proof they get infinite pleasure from tricking women into wasting their time, even if it means throwing their fellow moids under the bus
>"Men should all start setting their height filters for women at 5'9", which is the minimum height for being a professional model."They really think they're gonna win when they prevent themselves from matching with any women at all.
>"Most of them don't even know what 6 foot is. It is just something they have heard their friends say.">"If height or any physical trait is more important than character and compabatity on religion finances marriage roles and kids then they are an automatic no. They are not mature or ready for real life and marriage."Kek this moid is looking for marriage on tinder, amazing
>"its not really about the preference. As it is about perpetuating stereotypes and harmful societal social norms. What woman wouldn't love a filter just for attractive, tall, wealthy individuals … the vanity of it all. Men don't care about height or money, and attractiveness is subjective, but women would pretty much disqualify 89% of the population then say there aren't any good men afterwards."Yes, women don't have preferences, they want attractive boyfriends out of vanity and to destroy society kek. I like how he can't even bring himself to say that men don't care about attractiveness in women, so he just says it's 'subjective' as though the other 500 comments under the video weren't all unhinged screeching about how women are fat and ugly
>picrel another perfect moid who fits all the criteria, is a rich supermodel and still it's not enough for the evil wahmen No. 2548772
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>>2548670manifesto-chan or not, she's spittin
No. 2548779
>>2535375Maybe offtopic but I'm reading a biography about a georgian-era man who grew up in the country, was kind and polite, described as ridiculously handsome, never visited a brothel in his life (he thought men who went there were degenerates) and saved himself for his childhood love until they married in his 30s. He was rare enough for the time but they really
don't make men like this anymore; if he'd been born in the C21st he'd probably have been into anime foot porn and vore kekk
No. 2548785
>>2548761>>2548642>"Men should all start setting their height filters for women at 5'9", which is the minimum height for being a professional model."This is so funny because women would literally not give a single fuck if men did that
>>2548768KEK
No. 2548800
>>2548791Men have such a weird, psychosexual bitterness over fat women and single mothers kek. I know they find reasons to bitch about all women, but these two demographics in particular set them off into a frothing rage.
>>2548212Well now I know what I'm gonna be doing today
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>>2548212I just did it and this is who it gave me KEK. He’s cute but he looks like someone id bully.
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>>2547732Older women have always been sexualized, but the way how it is expressed in these scrotes memes makes me wonder if it would exist expressed in this way without the mommy fetish becoming popular in recent years
No. 2548977
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This is beautiful
No. 2548984
>>2548800Men hate fat women because she’s chosen food over looking sexually attractive, and that upsets men deeply. The idea of a woman choosing ANYTHING over them: food, pets, money, dating other women, career, travel, etc absolutely enrages men. They absolutely cannot stand when they’re not the focus of a woman’s life that’s why you’ll find hordes of moids writing fanfiction about how they turned lesbians straight or convinced a liberal feminist woman to become a racist republican. Men are deeply insecure and need to tell themselves that their dicks have magical properties that can completely destroy or transform a woman’s agency and life choices, otherwise the reality of male expendability will hit them and they will mass kill themselves.
>>2548807A ton of men are aroused and attracted to highly promiscuous women so it’s just laughable when they claim a high body count will stop a woman from getting married. Pornstars who got gangbanged by 50 dicks at a time are still marrying wealthy businessman simps who dote on them. It’s such a myth that men are attracted to pure and virginal women, if that was true then 2/3 of American men wouldn’t have an OF account.
>>2548977Based as fuck. Men have spent literal decades screeching about how all women over 25 are hideous washed up unfuckable hags, now that they’re getting 1% of that blowback they are losing their tiny minds and chimping out. Men should be reminded of their worthlessness every single day.
>>2548761This. Men literally created the female need and desire for tall and strong men because women who shacked up with short or weak men in the past were far more likely to be raped, kidnapped, murdered etc BY OTHER MEN. Women wouldn’t need to be ‘hypergamous’ if violent moid apes hadn’t made the life of any woman hell if she didn’t shack up with the tallest wealthiest most powerful and popular scrote she could find as a means of self protection and survival .
No. 2549062
I saw a no older than middle school aged girl with a Pedo Pascal shirt, I felt a mix of disgust and sadness that she's being groomed at such a young age to find that moid hot. I would've said something about her shit taste, but she's a kid.
>>2542204>i have small tits>mom has small tits>grandparents on both sides have small titsBased ancestors having built in moid repellant
No. 2549085
> James Charles saying he's not attracted to old moids and that he'd go as young as he canHe is a piece of shit and I hate him, and hitting on underage boys, but he at least knows old men are undesirable
>>2548212she's cuter than him
No. 2549091
>>2549078I should've clarified, I don't only think women with big boobs can be pickmes, small titted women can also have pickme tendencies and not uncommonly lean into pedopandering.
>clara daoKek isn't this the woman who talked about how proud she was for being flat then got implants or am I thinking of another Chinese pickme?
>>2549082That wasn't my intent. I was just trying to point out the types of bodyshaming I've experienced from women with big tits. I'm not a faggot anyway so I don't think one is better than the other. But I don't wanna get too OT.
No. 2549151
>>2549129The hottest man from MGS is Raiden and it's not even close.
When MGS2 was released and he was the protag, it wasn't just about the game being bad, everyone was upset that a pretty boy was the protagonist.
No. 2549159
>>2549150because the narrative is that it's the women who are busted and responsible for birth defects over a certain age, men are too egoistic to admit it's their fault
>thewizardlizshe should honestly not have a following after that fiasco, a nonna must take the mantra of a blunt misandrist bitch and lead young women
> Is there a way to make this into a trendy aesthetic so women co-opt it?there probably is but I've noticed younger generations have still been taught to value male attention above anything else, which fucking sucks
>>2549154It was a sight to witness. He's hot even in MGR but at the end of MGS4 he was perfection.
I'd choose cyborg dick over dusty scrotes all day, any day, even if I have to oil it for it to not be rusty.
> He wasn't even feminine acting. He just had longer hair. kek this was literally it, and no facial hair.
No. 2549170
>>2549163There's a phenomenon where straight men are fine with the sexualization of other scrotes as long as they're "manly" or not sexualized in a way that emasculates them, or appeals to their subconsciously fag tastes, essentially they don't see these males as a threat.
Using MGS as my example, Snake is a character with sexual agency who scrotes aspire to be like, in spite of what's truly popular with women. Raiden however, is sexualized in a more humiliating way akin to what you'd find with female characters, such as random groping and nudity humiliation. Not only that, but the voyeuristic way in which you can ogle his body is akin to female characters in RPGs. Hope I make sense here.
No. 2549174
>>2549170NTA but great explanation. Raiden is also a
victim the entire time of not only being lied to and used by Rose, but used as a child soldier. He just doesn't do it with a cigar in his mouth like Snake, so apparently it bothers moids.
No. 2549191
>>2549172Sorry
nonnie, I've just started 3 so I didn't see him get groped. I think what
>>2549175 said holds up though. It's also why scrotes are so fond of series like Jojos and Yakuza (from what i'm aware of), the men are sexualized in a way that doesn't evoke jealousy or threaten them.
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Tomi Lahren, a conservative pundit I thought got cancelled like 5 years ago for being pro-abortion, has made it to the news again because she said christian/trad/conservative moids are causing their own dating issues by being 'stay at home sons' (lazy useless NEETS) and acting 'feminized' kek. She said something pretty milquetoast by conservatard standards like 'most women I know want husbands and children but not with immature jobless men' (paraphrasing, I didn't watch the whole clip) and now moids all over the internet are seething and malding about how she's a jealous ugly hag, walled empty egg carton (she's 32), upset because she's not pretty or young enough to find a boyfriend, etc.
I looked it up and she's married to a pro baseball player that most of these moids would probably consider a Chad, even though he's ugly and she's significantly more attractive than him kek (picrel). What is it with conservatard moids instantly turning on women that they followed just for being conventionally hot like Lauren Southern and now Tomi Lahren just because they point out moids are not marriage material and should stop being NEET coomers kek.
No. 2549239
>>2549234I found the clip and everything she says in it is extremely normal and common-sense in it kek.
>It's a major problem … I'll tell you this, leave it to Gen Z to rebrand laziness and social awkwardness as something cutesy, like a stay-at-home son>I gotta tell you, this is also a big problem when it comes to declining birthrates, people not getting married… they blame it on women. Look at what women have to choose from, the pickings are slim! Yes we might have a feminism problem in America, but it's the feminization of men>There are a lot of young men out there who want to stay at home and order doordash, and therein lies a big part of the problem. Kekkk the way these moids instantly turn on any woman who points out reality to them is so funny, even conservative moid-pandering women are getting sick of them.
No. 2549251
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>>2549246That's not a feminism problem, then. That's a moid problem. The mental gymnastics moids and pickmes go through to try and blame women for literally everything is insane.
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>>2549273Super vintage (I'm old) but I remember this going back to Sephiroth in ff when I was like 12-13. Moidlets were constantly making fun of girls for finding him hot because 'he looks like a girl' and 'ew long hair'
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>>2549273The original Nier was censored on its USA release because moids were seething at the pretty male protagonist. Instead of getting replicant(with the cute mc) and Gestalt(with an ugly roidpig), in the usa we only got the latter.
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>>2549273That one FF mobile game where a scrote could've looked like this, if moids didn't complain and one of the pickme dicksucking whores didn't object to it because he's "too pretty"
>>2549283>>2549287Ironically enough, specifically after the release of Revengeance (i'm a zoomie, this is based off my own observations), there's been a resurgence of Raiden porn created by the same scrotes that would've been offended by him back in the day. I like to call these people 4chansexual or ironic homos, AKA scrotes whose brains are so fried by porn that they managed to goad themselves into liking femboys while still primarily being attracted to feminine women. Crazy how moids managed to colonize the character for women, There is not a single MGS scrote that doesn't have a fag fanbase.
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>>2549280>Sephiroth is vintagekek but also, he is very attractive, gotta give it to moids for not understanding what women find truly attractive
>>2549283your brother in law is retarded, but you probably know that by now
>>2549286holy crap that is a war crime against pretty men
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No. 2549556
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An actress from the soap General Hospital got married.
Truly what is the point of being a heterosexual woman?
No. 2549557
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>>2549532Like bum era justin bieber. Or south american football players. All the men in my country look like this expect way uglier because they are not justin bieber.
No. 2550194
>>2549862They're just coping, there's an insane amount of seethe over big titted women on this site. Probably trannies baiting too about the 'eeebil big boobed ladies boolying me'.
Trying to claim that big titted or blonde women are somehow 'born pickmes' because of a random genetic trait is just a horribly retarded and embarrassing evopsych conclusion to draw.
Especially since the most feminist and least pickme countries are all Nordic and blonde countries (Nordic countries also have the largest breast size on average too) anyway. If anything, women with smaller tits have to compensate harder to get male attention and are therefore logically far more likely to be pickmes.
No. 2550606
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This is the new protagonist for the James Bond video game coming out and moids are mad that he's young and attractive. They literally want him to be an old and ugly man lmao
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damn if ganondorf looked like left of picrel, maybe i would've joined the thirst train. author knows it too, she just wants to die on her smug 'i'm so speshul for liking old fat men' hill. i think half the totk ganon fuckers were just jumping on a meme for clicks.
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>>2550630Straight from a 4chan thread
No. 2550695
>>2550656Yes! That was it
nonnie. We need female youtubers who complain about "muh censorship" and ugly moid psyops in games and movies like they do to us because a game dared to make a normal looking woman for once.
No. 2551278
>>2548966>I think the word hag is offensive>grow thicker skinI don't think I will. I had this exact argument with a retarded man a few weeks ago where I said calling women hags isn't exactly a good thing to do even if you supposedly mean it in a good way, and he said the same thing until I told him he should just call them older women instead of using that word because most women will be repelled by it, not just women who are "overly sensitive", and that even the pick mes just pretend to be fine with it. No woman wants to be called a hag ever in any context no matter how much they try to spin it as a positive thing.
Anyways, this feels like it has some good points, like how men hit the wall early, women aren't worthless just because they're older, but as usual it's ruined by men's retardation and inability to not still treat women in a demeaning way even when they're trying to prop them up as the best, and putting down other women for no reason, you can like older women without constantly shitting on younger women and claiming they are all whores.
The differences between actually socially isolated women and the ones who pretend to be that for social media points is actually true and not something I thought men could even be aware of (they usually are too retarded and fall for the act these women put on as if it's the real thing), but at the same time it's ruined by how on the same list there's shit like "will let you call her mommy", "has baby rabies", "doesn't care about your height or face", "can cook". The stuff about looks reveals how it's all about how they perceive older women to have lower standards and how that's a good thing since they think they'll settle for them, which isn't even necessarily true. I'm approaching my 30s and I still wouldn't fuck someone I find ugly, just like the average male like this wouldn't fuck me if I was ugly. If anything being an older woman who has less sexual experiences (or is a virgin even) usually means they have higher standards compared to women who sleep around, and younger women actually tend to have lower standards because they're more susceptible to the psyop and haven't fully developed their tastes in men yet. I also wouldn't let anyone call me mommy because that's extremely cringe, and I don't care about having kids. They all assume every woman above 25 is desperate for children and as lonely as they are when not really, the male is still far more desperate and lonely than even the most desperate women. There's a reason older women aren't the ones shooting up schools and killing themselves when they're unmarried and childless, it's mainly desperate males doing that. Also, they should've added in the pregnancy part that men's sperm not being old is important too.
>>2549239She's right, men do feel more pathetic and more spineless than ever. I wouldn't call it feminization because women aren't pathetic and spineless, it's more so a lack of any good traits and non
toxic masculinity. Men will hate on pretty boys for being too feminine looks wise, but then they're 100% fine with displaying a lack of any masculinity when it comes to their actual lives and personality. They're ok with being passive, unemployed / broke, they want to be the princess in the relationship and think they've got more value than the woman solely because they're male (opposite of reality), don't want to actually do things for women and prove their worth, etc. They'll claim it's because women are all sluts now so it's not worth it, but even with women who aren't sluts they'll still not really put in the effort to impress them or do much of anything really. They'd rather sit at home playing games and jerking off while waiting for these women to fall from the sky even though they haven't done jackshit to deserve them because they're just that entitled. The amount of guys I've seen complaining they want a gf while literally being jobless and having nothing to offer as a partner (not just financially but in every other area) is staggering.
>>2550194I don't think the size of your boobs matters in either side.
>>2550606He looks mid and like what men would find attractive rather than women. If men are threatened by this then they're truly lost. They make up a mid standard for males and still get depressed by it. And like other anons pointed out they'll still throw a fit if a female character looked similar to this in terms of how attractive she is.
No. 2551285
>>2548800That and some single mothers are not single mothers by choice. I know a woman whose husband died in a construction work accident. And she' not the only one with a story like this.
Imagine seething over women who have lost their husbands in scenarios they had no control over. Pure mental illness.
No. 2551320
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>>2550606Your picrel is pretty flattering, I think he looks worse here imo. We need one of the artnonnies to fix his design
No. 2551323
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>>2539996>marrying and having kids with a man in 2025KEK.
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>>2550606he does look like Henry from KCD. who's the actor?
No. 2551332
>>2551285It actually sucks that a lot of women who are single mothers have their husbands pass from an illness or accident, but they get thrown into the same category as women who suck at picking a decent partner. Men who cheat, leave because they feel like it or are
abusive shouldnt be in the same category as widows, but they are for some reason. People hear "Single mom" and assume the worst of the man she choose to be her partner.
No. 2551336
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>>2551323Reminder: OnlyFans claims that 82 million men use onlyfans in America. If there are about 165 million men in America, that means almost half of all men in America use OF. Remember this whenever scrotes complain about all women suddenly turning into OF whores.
No. 2551382
>>2551346NTA, but you are the retard who started with a bait calling another anon fat. So it's your fault. Just shut up and return to mocking ugly moids, no1curr about your hate against women with large breasts or fat women.
>>2550606Young where? Handsome where? By the way the moids seethed I thought he was a copy of prime Chico Lachowski or something
No. 2551495
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>>2550606But… he's not even attractive…
No. 2551497
>>2551382I wasn't involved in this conversation at all but it actually started with an anon saying large chested women are 'pickmes by nature' kek can we stop with the sperging back and forth? Women of all breast sizes have them because of genetics, it doesn't make them pickmes, it doesn't make them worse or better than each other, this is the ugly MAN psyop thread not the 'what features on a woman make her more of a whore' thread. Please nonnas.
>>2551495Yeah that's the most baffling thing about this kek. Like… he's kinda ugly.
>>2551278I agree that it's not about men being 'feminized' but conservatards always use that terminology to describe men being lazy and spoiled. I wish they wouldn't because it's sexist against women but I know what they mean when they say that and they're correct, there is a lack of 'healthy masculinity' in young men now, although a lack of healthy masculinity doesn't mean feminist, it means childish. When I think of a man lacking 'masculinity' I think of a childish, childlike moid who has never grown up, doesn't take responsibility for himself, plays games instead of helping around the house (if he still lives at home), etc. They really do absolutely nothing to improve their lives, be attractive to women, etc. while expecting a perfect loyal mommy bangmaid to fall out of the sky.
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>>2545735>>2545399Not to do hestonspamming again, but imo he was an example of a man who was both masculine and beautiful in his youth (all people who look like living roman statues are beautiful to me regardless of their sex). But that's rare
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>>2550606I tried to make him better.
No. 2551631
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>>2551616Honestly my main problem is the hair. Spies are supposed to be glamorous, why give him a widows peak and generic hair?
No. 2551633
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>>2551573This is the actor who plays him. He's ugly af and the model looks better
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>>2551631for me, James Bond can't be separated from Sean Connery. i guess the model is a mix up between Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brossnan.
>>2551633dang, he's uggo. for a minute i thought Tom Mckay played him on the game.
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>>2551743Yeah now looking at it,
>>2550606 is less haggard than how the actors for James Bond looked in the films, I see why the scrotes are seething.
No. 2551968
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>>2551952Idk, Roger Moore was pretty cute and twinky in a Ken doll with too much sun exposure way, back in the day
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>>2551975Right, like how the fuck is this man not Slavic? He looks even more Slav than Putin. And what’s weird is I’ve never met a woman who genuinely finds him attractive either. I remember even normie women saying he wasn’t their type when Casino Royale was getting hyped up.