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>>>/ot/2577801Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-Do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated /m/ thread
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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AIBoth the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?Look through older artist salts or give context.
No. 2602431
>>2602363What events in the west could people even sell their own doujins/comics in? It’s so annoying how there’s no comiket equivalent in America. My country doesn’t really care about comics, it’s mostly all capeshit and im jealous that japan is a smallish country so people can just travel to comiket and sell with ease.
The states are big so people would have to take flights often, like to the other side of the country
No. 2602433
>>2602384It's ok, anon. I made the last thread since nobody stepped up and that was the theme all the ones before had, so that's what I chose.
As long as it's art I don't think anybody minds what threadpic you use.
No. 2602511
>>2602465We really need more online comic events like shortbox but unfortunately the creator when on a narcissistic powertrip and blacklists anyone or anything from making similar online events like it. Cartoonist coop made a similar event, but they stopped posting on Twitter and is exclusively on bluesky now because they thought Twitter was too
toxic and nazi filled, which definitely cuts visibility. Bluesky is so fucking dead and a cringe troon friendly hugbox where they crucify you if you’re not ultra woke.
Western online comic scene is basically non existent aside from shortbox. Not everyone can afford to travel to and table in conventions so it’s really unfortunate
No. 2603066
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Do any nonas feel such intense art style envy sometimes? I feel like im going insane because I want to have someone’s artstyle so much, I could stare in awe at the details in their work but it’s not really an easy artstyle to copy because they obviously have knowledge of a lot of fundamentals that my peabrain could never comprehend. When I look at my own art I feel so much disgust and shame, I’ve been so desperate that I seriously considered just training ai on their art so I could create artworks I want in their style. I know that’s bad so I won’t do it, but I fantasize about having that power.
I’ve tried looking up how master studies are done and have tried it myself, but I still don’t feel confident in trying to draw an original piece by myself, like the skills and tricks they do don’t transfer, I keep thinking, “how would they draw this?” and when I try attempting that, I fail because it just doesn’t look as good as they would do it.
Do I still need to keep doing master studies? I kinda hate doing it because I have no idea what their process is actually like and really wish they had a speedpaint video so I could organically create artworks in the exact way that they do it, I think that’s why im never satisfied with my own results. What’s the point of master studies if you’re not doing it the way the artist made it? I feel like it will lead you down the wrong path instead.
Picrel is what I’m talking about, you know DAMN well that this is not how the artist rendered this piece but unfortunately the only thing we’re able to see is the finished piece, and not the process. What did their sketch look like, what base colors did they use, what did their shading layer look like, what kind of brush did they use to shade and refine, what color adjustment layers did they use, etc.
I don’t feel 100% confident in doing master studies unless I know all of those things.
No. 2603077
>>2602896>it seems like the nonas talking about doujin circles are implying some sort of mangaka situation in which everyone collaborates on a single workYeah and IMO I don't really have confidence in doing something like that with people I'm not already familiar with, because there can be a lot of circumstance or personality incompatibility that could lead to the workload being unbalanced or things just not working out. Kind of like that Persona 5 zine that turned out to be a huge shituation when their budget person spent all the money on fucking gacha games a couple years ago. I'm going to question the personality online people who reach out to random internet strangers to partner up on projects. It makes more sense that doujin groups usually start in college clubs or with high school friends
>>2603066>I don’t feel 100% confident in doing master studies unless I know all of those thingsUnfortunately that is not the right mindset to have when doing art. Perfectionism and waiting for the "right time" to draw instead of letting this knowledge build as you make art just leads to procrastination and being too self critical to make anything
No. 2603151
>>2603066doing master studies without knowing what exactly you're copying, how, and why, is kind of a waste of time imo (speaking from personal experience).
you should probably take a break first. then, if you want to do some studies again, try learning some theory about what you want to copy from a certain style (like colors for example, learn in general what makes colors work in compositions and what doesn't from other sources like videos or books) and then try to analyze your reference based on that knowledge, only then copy. i feel like that'll be way more productive.
but also with studies like this, perfect 1 to 1 similarity isn't necessary. what's far more important is your understanding of the method and ability to confidently use it on your own, otherwise you'll never be able to apply what you learned in your original works.
hope this makes sense
No. 2603179
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Imagine having this talent and wasting it on troonshit
No. 2603327
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Museum salt but I wonder if the National Museum of American Illustration is having money problems because they sent a email out that they’re selling a few Norman Rockwell and Leyendecker brother originals to raise money for renovations. They’ve been closed for renovations for 5+ years now
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>>2603327Also the price difference between Rockwell and Leyendecker originals is pretty wild. I wonder if they’re unaware of how popular Leyendecker is with millennials and zoomers
No. 2603339
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>>2603066Why do gen alphas want to copy Matcha so badly?
No. 2603383
>>2603066you're failing to learn anything because you haven't first learned how to observe and break down a piece and also lack a good foundation and knowledge in technical skills
Master studies (and general studies, which sounds like you should be doing more of anyway to get a better grasp on things) are helpful because the process of trying to recreate the piece you've chosen should also be an exercise in breaking down the final result of said piece– you don't need to know its exact production, you need to understand the
end product. The background info can be nice to have, but should not be the focus. Your examples of 'what x did they use' are all things you should be able to guess once you have a decent grasp on both technical skills and art programs, no speedpaint required. There's no trick you cant figure out, and the destination really matters more than the journey to it.
Style studies are different and more intensive, as it's less about using a single existing piece as training wheels and more so an exercise in breaking down and mapping out both the macro and micro aspect of a style, ime meaning copious notes and breakdowns rather than a handful of finished pieces.
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>>2598971didn't know her before trooning out but i REALLY with bixels wasn't a degenerate tif who's into bdsm. some of her stuff shows how much potential she really has.
No. 2603916
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i feel like it's such a massive debuff to have a non anime or realism style in a sea of anime artwork in fandom circles online. my style has been poisoned by anime the past few years and i'm desperately trying to shake it off but i notice that my "true" style that i really love and have fine-tuned to my tastes gets crickets in my social circles compared to people i know who do standard uninspired anime girls, manga lines, and basic ass coloring and shading. when i do moeblob shit is when i get the most praise but the inauthenticity kills me. probably my unmedicated anxiety talking but it is so demotivating to see people with derivative artwork get praised for their "style" when you can see exactly what anime they stole it from. are we just here to suffer
No. 2603931
>>2603916Chasing after social media likes and that kind of attention is probably just terrible for you. Pretty much every social media famous artist I'm aware of has the same trajectory, they start strong but atrophy and go to shit chasing the algo and all the soul gets stripped from their work. If your objective is to acquire the proverbial bag, go for it I guess but if you want to make things that are unique or different they're probably never going to be as marketable. It might help you to learn to differentiate 'job' art from the kind of stuff you make because you love it.
Niche audiences and artists are where it's at, as far as I'm concerned though.
No. 2604155
>>2604118i feel like every kid internet thing boils down to having something over their peers in some way, like kinning, self shipping/yumeshipping, faking mental illness, the extreme oversharing of everything on their profiles
kek i saw a 14 yr old put Anemic under BPD in her caard once. idk if it makes them feel like more important/in control or whatever
No. 2604169
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>>2604118I kind of understand the no profile pic rule, but i think the rest is because of PC culture. They are afraid of accidentally interacting with terfs or "bad people" when really they should just be happy anyone interacts with their art. They aren't your friends, merely observers. Little do they know my tranny hating ass is liking all their shit anyways, kek.
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>>2603066I feel exactly this way about Diesel2b, her artwork is amazing
No. 2604358
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>you can't spam likes and move on with your day you have to buy my art
Why does everything have to go through the monetization filter, it's so tiring
No. 2604422
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Nonas, is it a good idea for me to only post on neocities. I'm done with posting on twitter, instagram and bluesky. I want to plan to make my own neocities art gallery. I dont care about gaining likes and followers, I just want to post my art in peace for others to see without people interacting with me.
But, all of my favourite artists are on main social media platforms, so i just make a lurking account to follow them even though i sometimes get blocked by them which can be so fucking frustrating and sad
No. 2604512
>>2604477Mostly happens with asian ones, I have had that happen to me before. Sometimes they go thru their follower list and remove what they seem "spam", also they're pretty distrusting so sometimes they remove accounts that seem innactive in case they're block-evading, an account to repost their art elsewhere, etc.
But
>>2604422 , I kinda fixed it by filling my lurking account. I simply RT stuff and made my bio "[Age], [gender], I only want to watch. I don't talk, please don't follow me". That way they know I'm a real person, I haven't had any block ever since. Maybe you can machine-translate the bio to JP as well to be sure.
No. 2604635
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Why can't Meisharan just admit that he has a fetish on fat woman instead of pretending his obese Nanaco girl is some groundbreaking fat representation? I kinda suspect that this artist is a tif because moids don't care about body positivity and giving characters made up sexualities
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>>2604643This artist claims to be a man
No. 2604658
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>>2603066>Do any nonas feel such intense art style envy sometimes? I think that's natural; we're monkeys.
>they obviously have knowledge of a lot of fundamentals that my peabrain could never comprehend. I think the answer to all of your questions forever regarding this are related to understanding fundamentals. Once you do, you can understand what to drop and what to keep.
>Do I still need to keep doing master studies? Yes. I think the term "master studies" locks a lot of people into believing the studies have to be done a specific way, and that can't be further from the truth. We don't take into consideration how cells divided in order to draw a puppy or kitten, do we? We just try to emulate what we see. This process of studying may take years, but along the way you will learn countless things. Art is a slow as fuck trade, definitely.
>I kinda hate doing it because I have no idea what their process is actually like and really wish they had a speedpaint video so I could organically create artworks in the exact way that they do it, I think that’s why im never satisfied with my own results.Another issue. Who gives a shit how they do it; the artist themselves could have dogshit work flow and a million layers that makes sense to no one, go outside to chain smoke, and then come back to shit their pants while they eat something disgusting. Hell, it could be a moid fapping to what they're drawing. We don't need any of that! It's about how you can utilize other tools to achieve a similar effect. Otherwise, what
is the difference between just training an AI? As artists ,we all have something I like to call a "stink". No matter what you do, your stink will be left on the art, and some people will capitlize on what their stink is, and that becomes a style.
>What’s the point of master studies if you’re not doing it the way the artist made it? I feel like it will lead you down the wrong path instead.There is no "wrong" way to draw. If anything, the "wrong" way makes it your own. There are alternative methods, tedious methods, optimal methods (though you've seen how nonas ITT have responded to me posting flower brush gifs upthread kek), questionable methods, etc. Morals are subjective, not objective. You don't have to obey a specific process.
There are also a plethora of tutorials that show you methods to draw certain things. This
is the artist salt thread where we go to talk, but at the same time, if I can offer something, I will try.
My picrel is an example of me doing a quick artist study. I know it isn't as flowery and your picrel, but it's the kind of thing that fascinates me; simplistic but soft moeslop. With fundamentals, it's good to ask questions in case you don't understand, and some people can break it down better for you. I would recommend
>>>/m/485635if you want help with art. It isn't quite the same as critique, but if you have tutorials you want posted, I can help you find them without shitting up this thread or the critique thread.
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why do so many tifs follow me on af like go away you weirdo, aahhh
No. 2605419
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Nonnies, what do you think will be the next big trend in art after anime? I feel like the vast, vast majority of artists, even ones that get into art colleges, started from drawing animanga and are still heavily inspired by it (either that or furfaggotry), it'd be really interesting to consider what will be produced in the future, I have no idea how we can still start bringing unique visual aspects to anime, it feels like beating a dead horse and the flaccid moeblob inspired pixiv look has been standing headstrong for decades by now. what regions do you think younger artists will start being inspired by artistically? do you think western cartoon styled art will overtake popularity, do you think the anime influence on art will ever subside, etc?
No. 2605436
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>>2605419I don’t think anime will ever completely go away, especially since older styles are getting popular with gen z/alpha again. Anime’s existed for a LONG time, no reason it would stop now. But, I’ve noticed an uptick in paswg/invader zim/terada tera type of stylization. Unfortunately it’s almost never well done though, so I kinda hope it doesn’t go anywhere..
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>>2605419Anime style is not going away. Western animation companies are going to continue imitating anime or outsourcing their ideas to asian studios completely. Digital weeb artists are going to keep imitating chinese lighting anesthetics and there's probably going to be more interest in making 2D art with 3D programs like blender a la Louie Zhong.
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>>2605436>invader Zim style I'm beyond, BEYOND shocked that gen z hasn't latched more into aping from Johnen Vasquez, esp with tifbait like Johnny the homicidal maniac, it was surprisingly mostly millennials on tumblypoo like pan pizzagate who stole from him. I actually really wish that his style and similar ones like Pon and Zi more, it;d make a lot of sense esp for Brujoari because Johnen Vasquez and similar emogoth artists from latam is ACTUAL Hispanic heritage from the 2000s that she could be prepping, but noo she picked Daria out of all things. veering into blog posting but I'm a zoomie and some of my first actual forrays into drawing was being inspired by Johnen Vasquez and mlaatr, and fucking bleedman… I was traumatized for a lack of a better word.
No. 2605524
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>>2605491nta but anime basically has only really been influential on young artists in the west for like 25 years or so (ofc anime has been getting localized since nearly the dawn of the genre, but it just didn't stick on artists in the west until the late 90s bc of popular localizations like sailor moon and the internet), before that there was a lot lot more variety of influence, like art noveau which is basically protoanime weebshit being heavily inspired by ukiyo-e. even with the internet and fandom still burgeoning, there was a lot more style diversity origin wise, the Renaissance Disney art style was basically just as popular with artists as anime back then, yet is completely unrepresentented now, along with other western toon inspo like the grip looney toons had on furfags. I just wonder what will it take for a new art movement to connect with a younger generation the way anime did for millennials and got completely normalized with zoomers, there's a certain delicate dance between detail and stylization that hooked me onto anime art as a kid, I feel like anime is just a perfect execution of that thesis that I don't know what other medium could stupify me and the general audience in a similar fashion, but it's fun to speculate on.
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>>2605539nta kekk My thoughts exactly.
>>2605419I think the issue comes into what is attributed to anime. Panty & Stocking? Kiba? Naruto? Sailor Moon? Ghost in the Shell? In my opinion, it's all the same thing as cartoons; Not Realism. We'll have offshoots, but the simplification of realism will never go away, and so long as fiction exists, people will want to make things dedicated to it, but not have to do an entire mural or study anatomy to do so. Alternatively, the opposite is true — a lot of JJBA fanart I see is on par with Renaissance artwork kek.
No. 2605847
>>2605539americans came sooo late to anime. In europe and latam it was already mainstream for a long ass time, even when my mother was a child she liked anime, and there were a lot of euro-japanese coproductions that were massively popular (like sherlok hound, david the gnome, moomins,Vicky the Viking , etc)
>>2605487Johnen Vasquez's comics would be too
problematic for gen z
No. 2605964
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>>2605524Anime was popular in the west from at least the early 80s and artists imitating the
style can be seen with things like the original ninja turtles comics and ninja high school which borrows heavily from urusei yatsura. You can also see influence from akira, dirty pair, and even hyper violent anime like wicked city.
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>>2605741It's not only that, he worries if whatever thing is
problematic, overuse of emojis and drawing attractive man. I can't tell if he's very sheltered and completely unaware that most normal people with eyes see his Nanaco as just a fat fetish or he's just grifting off of naive fat girls who see themselves in her
No. 2606274
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I have a confession, I kinda like a lot of thicc thigh coomer designs. I don't find them sexy or like them for the coom, but since I grew up average-chubby watching stick-thin celebs and anime girls wishing I could be like them I now finally get to see cute anime girls who look a bit more "realistic" and like me. I know it's incredibly retarded but it genuinely feels like it's healing me a bit. Though it has the opposite effect when I check the comments and they're all going "mommy". I mostly just draw animals but I'm considering drawing cute girls with more realistic bodies just to fill the market with non-coom but I'm deadly afraid I'll just look like one of those terrible woke-tumblr-slop artists…
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>>2606274It's not that stupid, I can empathise. Does it have to be coom though? Surely there are other chubby/fat female characters you could enjoy. As long as you're not being a pick me retard like claiming it's positive and accurate representation of you (doesn't sound like the case with you, thankfully). You should try harder to find better characters and not generic big titty, slim-thick anime waifus of the month and that way you'd have more humane characters to project onto and won't subconsciously associate your natural body with sex.
No. 2606307
>>2606292Sorry anon but I've literally met anons on the friend finder thread who do hold those opinions. They call women sluts but then say it's not a big deal that pedophilia is common in anime or that fanservice isn't a big deal… like okay bitch why are you calling a woman in a crop top a slut though?
>>2606286The funniest thing is how they'll think they're so above those mindless sheeple whores but they're literally falling for the oldest moid psyop in the world.
No. 2606340
>>2606295One thing I actually kind of like about Current Day is the fact that there are some genuine attempts to depict different kinds of bodies other than 'hot' or 'gross' In which 'hot' is a rarified beauty standard and the only divergence allowed is clothes, eyes, and hair while 'gross' is literally everything else.
At the risk of being mocked, I don't even mind most of the ugly FOTM Tumblr / Twitter art styles, even if the results aren't always very nice looking I can appreciate that they are engaging in experimentation, trying to find their own style. The fact that All Becomes Coom is quite eye-roll inducing though.
No. 2606343
>>2606307>>2606295They don't
actually like it for "representation" reasons, they just want to believe they literally have anime coom proportions kek
No. 2606347
>>2606307>>2606283>then will stare at gross-ass lumpy coomer anime girl garbage and say it's "cute". This is not cute this looks disgusting. You see the same anons try to defend these retarded moid coom slop images to the death while also calling women who wear tank tops and lipstickYeah you can really
tell that a lot of the anons on this site grew up as awkward weebs and I'm saying that as someone who also did
No. 2606423
>>2606274This is a start. You can take your first step into doing what you love by looking at the anons that responded negatively to your statement and mentally calling them fucking retarded. Nobody's opinion on what you draw should matter to anyone but you (and the law?).
I also like it when darker skinned characters are drawn with skin showing because it reflects my own fashion sense. Moids will fap to literally anything (from feet to armpits), so whatever. I think you should draw what makes you happy nona!
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Anyone else get fandom fatigue when drawing and posting on socials? I made lots of arts of a certain series that I only posted on my blog. Since it gets lonely I posted them on other sites trying to connect with people only to end up overwhelmed and feeling like shit because there's a gazillion artists that are way better than me to the point of overwriting my desire to create. Am I too autistic?
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>>2606274Same. Not because of that thought I’m thin actually I’m just attracted to women and a huge coomer
No. 2606666
>>2606627Nta but same kek. I even have a folder of AI generated slimthicc anime girls and a bunch of chatbots on perchance. I'm pretty normal irl but they're my guilty pleasure because they're so sexy-cute.
Honestly if this nonna from last thread
>>2579591 drew female pov thin/thicc yuri my brain would shut down and when I'd wake up I'd be subscribed to her patreon.
No. 2606751
>>2606283>gross-ass lumpy coomer anime girl garbage and say it's "cute".well my real body is also gross and lumpy yet my partner adores me, beauty is in the eye of the beholder
>>2606295>Does it have to be coom though? Surely there are other chubby/fat female characters you could enjoy. I mean possibly? It's just harder to find unless you want that "western" cartoon style of tumblr slop, which I just don't really enjoy. And yeah no I'm not saying it's perfect or "representation", it's literally just that it's nice to see bigger girls in an anime style that still look stylized and cool. Especially also in contrast to tumblr representation art looking like ugly gremlins. The only people I can (at least easily) find are just making them larger seemingly for coom, but since I don't see the coom the same way a man who has an anime fetish would I can enjoy them in private. The same way I can think my female friend looks stylish in a sexy outfit without being turned on. It's not that I project onto them and identify with them that hard, it's more just "hey that's neat"
>>2606347>Yeah you can really tell that a lot of the anons on this site grew up as awkward weebskek was it the way I very subtly said "growing up I watched anime girls wishing I was like them"? Nothing escapes the nonalocks on lc
>>2606423>Moids will fap to literally anything (from feet to armpits), so whatever. I think you should draw what makes you happy nona!Thanks nona!
>>2606698>You dont look like this irl though kek its so weird women desperately want to be moid approvedIt's really odd that you think that's what going. If I think my friends baby pictures are cute, do you think that means I desperately want pedos approval too? Or do you just not think women are allowed nor capable of liking art without it being motivated by moid approval?
No. 2606930
>>2606756nta and idc if you like that, but you said you project onto the coomer anime girls? its just not the same by any measure
anime girls drawn for coom that you project onto dont stop being porny because you find them cute, and baby pictures are obviously not taken for the same purpose, i cant tell if you're being obtuse or are just plain dumb
>well my real body is also gross and lumpyyou sound a bit insecure anon, you can draw anime girls and be happy without relying on any sort of external approval, it would really take some level of derangement to make them really gross anyway
No. 2607019
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I hate insecure fatties so much. We are never allowed to have body diversity because these lardasses don't want well written female characters, they just want to feel validated by men and seen as attractive, because thats the end goal of insecure pickmes. They ironically always give themselves further body dismorphia because unlike the goon cartoons they praise they are built like fridges with cellulite asses and wider waists than hips. You dont look like super sonicoom, you look like kaijuno. Be for real and stop fucking up over women who want female ugly bastards instead of super pochaco goonbait.(off topic)
No. 2607030
>>2605964First time i visited the US no one knew what i was talking about when i tried to talk about anime, which back home was ultra mainstream even a generation prior mine. I know americans even had some conventions that included anime and there was stuff localized (atrociously, like the Warriors of the wind-Nausicaa fiasco) but burgers didn't really start getting as big into anime the same way everybody else did until the 2000s and toonami.
Even then americans were always the most dismissive and stuck up online mocking anime and a lot of old webcomics and american cartoons always had that one "lets shit on anime " parody. In art communities american artists always had to pull some anti-anime flex, so annoying. It always seemed very chauvinistic and insecure.
No. 2607045
>>2607035there was a story of Pixar animators projecting a bootleg copy of castle of cagliostro in the 80s, it wasn't even subtitled or dubbed. Apparently watching anime bootlegs was a common thing for Calart students too before all those titles were localized.
Of course you'd have to be an animator or way into nerd communities when the beta/vhs underground railroad exchange was going on.
No. 2607174
File: 1752714433879.jpeg (21.56 KB, 168x300, IMG_9927.jpeg)
>>2606698> its so weird women desperately want to be moid approvedWhere did the nona state that she wanted moid approval in her post..? I’m confused at all the negative responses that post got. She never said she cared about what moids think, she just happened to like animu girls that are drawn in a slightly above average way than the typical sticc animu girl is. I can understand why so many fat girls/women adore super sonico and meisharan’s fat oc, even if it’s originally intended for coomshit, that doesn’t stop fat girls from loving characters who look closer to what they look like. Fat animu girls are still rare, and a lot of weebs are overweight, so it’s no surprise that those characters are popular with them. There’s not many to choose from in the first place which is why meisharan got so popular, barely anyone is drawing fat anime girls in a cute style, not a hideous tumblr sjw inclusive style.
That annoying cunt addyharajuku is clearly a fatty herself and she loooves collecting sonico figures for example. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know why she loves her so much. I’m curious to see the percentages of women who collect sonico figures tbh, of how many of them are skinny and how many of them are fat.
No. 2607203
>>2607174the
nonnie who posted the shitty coomer anime art literally talked about her nigel finding her attractive lol
>>2606751 No. 2607214
>>2607211>Super Sonico>fatnta Is… is that the takeaway? I draw characters of a wide array of body types. I didn't know that was what some considered to be
fat…?
No. 2607260
>>2607211>>2607214She’s at the very least chubby in my standards. But I just roll my eyes when people call her and other characters with similar body size as “average”. That is not average ffs, that would be considered overweight/fat in a lot of countries. Maybe the image in
>>2606274 would be closer to average if it weren’t for the huge hips.
Maybe sonico can be called “thicc” instead as kids these days say. Characters who are “slightly” above average like sonico will capture the hearts of overweight weeb girls/women because again, it’s very rare in anime. It’s similar to how people with dark skin will tend to like characters with skintones that are slightly darker than the same usual pale skintone that anime characters have.
In reality, no anime is going to create an actual fat character, and few animes will create characters with actual dark skin, so people who are fat or have dark skin will usually cling onto the next closest thing that they see themselves in
No. 2607313
File: 1752721684728.jpg (Spoiler Image,123.92 KB, 562x720, NekoPOP-Super-Sonico-10th-Anni…)
Have you guys mistaken her boobs for a stomach or something? Wow what a fat mcfatty fat fat fathead character because she's typically wearing a loose shirt oh em gee. There's cuter actually chubby anime characters that don't have official babycon art you know.
No. 2607576
File: 1752743061982.png (444.65 KB, 800x1129, __super_pochaco_nitroplus_and_…)
>>2607174>addyharajuku>sonico>fattyMaybe, just maybe, as a burger, my standards for illustrated fat characters is a bit off. Mayhe. But wouldn't this be moreso considered fat…?
No. 2608070
File: 1752776059106.jpeg (1.4 MB, 2894x4093, IMG_9935.jpeg)
>grok ai waifu getting fanart
This is so retarded, East Asian artists are so easily entertained by boring anime grills
No. 2608080
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>>2608070She’s just a rip off of this girl from Shugo Chara anyway (Design wise at least)
No. 2608488
>>2607755I like you anna-chan
>>2608080Is Shugo Chara a good show? I tried the anime but couldn't get far. The mangaka had the classic 90’s shoujo look I love but I think I assume it’s a magical girl anime but I think I’m wrong. It’s the girl who finds a magic egg and the fairies have playing card symbols (diamond, heart etc) right?
>>2607844Same. You have to really game the algorithm to get anywhere online today.
No. 2608495
File: 1752789192205.webp (132.42 KB, 1557x1502, IMG_0252.webp)
>>2608080>>2608191Utau was from that same era as Misa, Death Note is just more well known so people are going to compare her to Misa rather than the somewhat niche magical girl show character.
>>2608488Nta but yes you got it right. Honestly if you couldn’t get into it I wouldn’t push yourself to try it again kek. I think I only like it because I grew up with it. The ending is incredibly anticlimactic I remember absolutely seething when I first finished it because it was so bad. If you want to watch it for the character design and to see magical boys then I think it’s fun. Utau has the best outfits in my opinion.
The author’s other series, Rozen Maiden, is a lot better if you want to watch/read something in the same style.
No. 2608524
File: 1752790587292.jpg (359.5 KB, 850x1317, sample_c381529ba2a00569d4d5229…)
>>2607555https://x.com/zhhy3324Here ya go nona! Sorry for the delayed response.
No. 2609002
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petday3 has a cute artstyle but the way she ripped off literally every aspect of bronzecatworld's artstyle is kinda uncanny and creepy to me. ive seen this happen a lot where somebody will genuinely skinwalk another persons entire artstyle, their coloring, expressions, lineart, everything. does that sort of thing creep other people out too? if somebody did that to me i'd want to file a restraining order kek. i mean bronzecatworld was a pedo so i dont really care about the integrity or whatever, but its still creepy.
No. 2609109
>>2609090I can't place one on the end but it looks like Claire from Witch's Heart, David from the Crooked Man and Tsugino Haru from Zeno.
>>2609002Eh, I see what you mean but I don't think his style is that unique.
No. 2609164
>>2609002>does that sort of thing creep other people out too? if somebody did that to me i'd want to file a restraining order kekI've had a few skinwalkers in my time, now that I think about it. It's fascinating. Morbidly so. Like a curiousity that also doubles as a fright, you don't know how far they'll go. And if you're inconsistent on your art, are they copying that too? Are the disregarding your weaker pieces? I remember having a copycat as early as 14 years old on deviantArt. I told a friend her art was nice and she said
>Well of course you'd think so; I'm copying your style!And then later on you see people steal your OC ideas, and then during Homestuck, that was all the rampage. I sent an anonymous ask to someone that copied my art style and they replied
>idk i just saw a nice pulic on pinterestI think it's less scary when you also realize that there are inconsistencies you see. I don't know what it's like to have a 1:1 copycat. But that might be because my art varies so much now.
No. 2609294
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>>2609162its hard because he DFE'd his tumblr but some of his stuff is still up on deviantart (polycatworld) and furry boorus (dont recommend looking, he drew a lot of weird baby pokemon porn). i remember when i first saw her account i literally thought she was him and apparently a lot of other people did too because she had to make a post about it lol. Like i cant imagine willingly copying somebodys artstyle so hard other people think youre literally that person. its just really creepy to me.
>>2609249Well thats what i mean, like these artists who basically skinwalk somebodys whole artstyle and interests freak me out. Sometimes theyll even do the same typing style too. I saw this a lot on deviantart and tumblr in ye old days but now in the twitter era its a lot less common, I guess everybodys art has become more homogenized. I'd say the artist i see getting copied the most now is Wamudraws.
No. 2609697
File: 1752868422740.jpg (1.31 MB, 1920x1920, tumblr_6dd38866d8fb3284372f92d…)
Sometimes I wish I'd started out as a different type of artist, less focused on individuals and more on environments. Shifting to the new focus is harder than I thought it'd be. But, it's enjoyable, and I could've used that enjoyment in my life kek
No. 2609715
File: 1752869493137.jpg (711.46 KB, 1920x849, tumblr_c28940e732082a732d1a1f8…)
>>2609712Does this make it better or worse?
No. 2609760
File: 1752871810153.jpg (34.13 KB, 735x646, 1752669431999.jpg)
>>2609697I am in the exact opposite position. I can draw environments but god forbid I draw humans that don't look like freakish abominations. Wishing you a good escape though
No. 2609806
>>2609770>I'd rather just ask to do art trades with other artists on a similar skill level.Exactly, I’d probably never agree to do an art trade with 90% of the attacks i get, but that’s simply how art fight works. I used to love it when it was still brand new to me but now ehh. When I’m working on a revenge of someone who drew mid art, I’d always be wishing how i was getting paid for this kek.
The fact that i have a looot of things i want to do probably contributes to my frustration with art fight right now. So drawing for free (even if it’s technically an art trade) when i have so many things on my to do list drives me kinda crazy and i can’t wait for the event to end already
No. 2610099
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>>2609294>its hard because he DFE'd his tumblr but some of his stuff is still up on deviantart (polycatworld) and furry boorus (dont recommend looking, he drew a lot of weird baby pokemon porn).I have a bunch of rare Bronzecatworld art and i thought of making a drive folder of it for those that would like to see them, should i do it? I'm on the fence since he was extremely weird towards little girls who were furries online.
No. 2610113
>>2610099Do it if you feel like it and link it, I see the similarities to
>>2609002 already
No. 2610246
File: 1752898737218.png (438.98 KB, 1243x529, killyourself.png)
I found an artist on Artfight who really pisses me off. Pic very much related. What a disgusting cunt.
https://artfight.net/~Yellowfang No. 2610262
>>2610085I missed her itt, this doll looks much better than some of the stuff she put out earlier.
>>2610254NTA but unlikely, look at the interests. There are TIMs into those things, sure but all at the same time? This is most likely a woman with Tearzah level retardation.
No. 2610297
>>2610277According to AF rules, you're allowed to mention prostitution. I swear to god Artfight staff are practically
gagging for a lawsuit.
No. 2610364
File: 1752905245931.gif (2.25 MB, 498x340, over-it-leave-me-alone.gif)
>>2610277>>2610297Majority of her characters have a NSFW filter, which as of two years ago (because the mods are stupid and lazy) which non-lying children can't get past. Lying about your age is a bannable offence for this reason, when the mods feel like responding to reports anyways. Some of you guys are really fucking retarded about Artfight holy shit. I think she's also massively retarded but like come the fuck on.
No. 2610420
File: 1752913763905.jpg (Spoiler Image,62.99 KB, 500x667, dec0e17c3b18078ce44cdb541b100b…)
>>2610099if we're compiling tosh's old shit then i have some pictures of him saved from a billion years ago. yes he looks like a chudjak lmao
No. 2610443
File: 1752916384466.jpg (55.99 KB, 750x1000, bg,f8f8f8-flat,750x,075,f-pad,…)
>>2610420Groomer weeb face
No. 2610457
File: 1752918419554.jpg (Spoiler Image,56.57 KB, 500x667, d070659e4781ca1db7b80a0d2d2b25…)
>>2610443Heres the other one, I dont know why he posed like such a turbofag kek. I remember he actually had a girlfriend named Moni. I think she was a filipina/japanese girl who lived in germany(?), and like, an actual woman not a tranny. Idk if theyre still together, I guess she's also a freak since she was actively dating a guy who everybody knew was a pedogroomer.
>>2610151Oh god I was also wondering who is uploading his art on the boorus still? It seems he was posting on the private kaninchenheaven account up until 2022 but he might still be using it. Or maybe he shares it on a messaging app like discord? I doubt its petday but its weird that his pedo ass is even still being supported by anybody at all. He literally sent dickpics to a 15 year old and he also had a bunch of weird softcore kid pictures on his tumblr likes before he hid them. I remember several underage people that he was friends with saying that he would casually talk about his weird furry sex fantasies with them. The fact he drew porn of baby pokemon and other really young characters makes the fact that he was openly talking and collabing with literal 7-10 year olds on deviantart even more disturbing.
No. 2610583
File: 1752932862693.png (1.58 MB, 1738x978, 7e2Xdv.png)
There's something so deeply unappealing about cleanly rendered artwork like this. Not limited to western styles either. I could not play stuff like Arknights or Path to Nowhere. Shit writing just feels more shit if there is utterly soulless artwork accompanying it
No. 2610639
File: 1752936447575.gif (59.35 KB, 94x109, Photoshop_Flowey_face_photorea…)
>my shit is getting pqrtd
i think i figured out who it is and i'm not ready to be cancelled for plagiarism since i literally didn't even know this bitch existed until after i posted my art.
how would you nonnies deal with this shit? I don't think I have the mental energy to deal with trivial shit like this since i really just draw what tickles my autistic brain
No. 2610650
>>2610646Planning, hands down..I suck ass at composition
still and I just want to draw.
No. 2610661
File: 1752937375726.jpg (252.25 KB, 1920x1080, LlWy2C.jpg)
>>2610590So true. It's interesting how close artists like this get to making something good but it's just off
No. 2610666
>>2610641i haven't gotten any threats yet but i'm pretty sure it's a design for an au version of a character, i checked their profile and they are pretty damn similar, they've been around far longer than me so i can see why they'd think that.
in my defense i pretty much isolate myself from fandoms online so i only had the original media as my inspiration, you can only do so much with the same source material
>>2610644i'm 99% sure it's this person because only this one art is getting multiple pqrts, and they have a priv as well. i wanna draw more because obviously it's a design i made and that i cherish but at the same time i'm afraid this person is gonna grab her moot cabal and blacklist or start drama with me which would basically kill my already super small account
No. 2610734
File: 1752940505564.jpg (113.84 KB, 1080x1081, 1606869998913.jpg)
>>2610246She got banned!!!
No. 2610882
File: 1752944977637.jpg (526.67 KB, 1280x1821, U_GAIM_002.jpg)
Does anyone have recommendations of 80s/90s anime artbooks or artists you like? i dont care if they are coom i just want to study the artstyle.
No. 2610971
File: 1752948947081.png (46.19 KB, 1124x1162, GLhwwYOWAAAuc44.png)
>>2610694Kek what the fuck? This is so funny. She's kind of based for this
No. 2610996
>>2610684Not really true. Twitter is genuinely broken. I sometimes click on posts that apparently have hundreds of quote tweets but only a handful (or none) will load until I refresh the page a few times.
>>2610666You can literally just say you haven't seen her art before if anyone tries to call you out. And this will not ""kill"" your account if your art is any good since it has been proven time and time again that no one actually cares about the people making their pretty images. I'd suggest you stay off social media to seem too offline to be bothered once it does happen. But in the worst case you'll just have to remake the account in a few months or move to another site for a while.
No. 2611017
File: 1752950426843.jpg (225.93 KB, 850x1046, __kish_rim_misa_gainax_and_1_m…)
>>2610882Off the top of my head I like Akai Takami, picrel
I like the way Satoshi Urushihara draws bodies too, but not his faces. Can't post examples because it's porn
No. 2611101
File: 1752952767293.jpeg (807.11 KB, 1125x710, IMG_0269.jpeg)
>>2610882Reiko Shimizu and Uchida Yoshimi(picrel) are who I think of for the 80’s. For the 90’s Chie Shinohara and the older works by CLAMP are probably my favorites
No. 2611189
File: 1752956026793.png (778.88 KB, 1356x1321, good rendering vs bad renderin…)
>>2610583I thought about this phenomenon of "unappealing but high effort and detailed work" a lot! I came to the conclusion that it's actually lazy (or has to be rushed due to production time and workload), especially if you look at the blonde "Pussy Hunters" chunky hair and clothing. Good rendering requires patience and deliberately, slowly picking colors and areas to focus on.
Bad rendering is slapping on the same style of shading and the same colors choices for shadows for all materials.
No. 2611193
File: 1752956152587.png (31.78 KB, 353x111, nodraws is2g.png)
Saw this donation on someone's stream. Do nodraws really think artists function like this or something
No. 2611198
File: 1752956299084.png (3.49 KB, 251x138, awat.png)
Any lesbians wanna translate what this means? I think it REALLY means that he's a guy rejected by actual, female lesbians, so he claims he's "ace". Character is from Artfight:
https://artfight.net/character/2001712.wisena-izen No. 2611227
>>2611198"I have failed at being a man so I think I'm a woman - I mean trans - but I am still deeply (heterosexually) attracted to and want to sleep with women.
I have great social anxiety so instead of challenging myself to talk to women I say I am ace because I don't want to face rejection and failure.
If I were given the opportunity to sleep with someone, I would pick women - so I am a Lesbian. In fact, I probably watch lots of lesbian porn. I crave the softness of women despite being a homunculus of one.
Since I am 5'6" I have failed at being a man. I am too tall and masculine to be traditionally female. I must be a lesbian or trans. "
There's my interpretation, even down to why they list their height.
No. 2611241
File: 1752957803082.jpg (101.48 KB, 768x512, IMG0046.jpg)
>>2611077Those are character sheets i am trying to find inspiration for the composition. I love how 80s/90s artists use colors too.
>>2611101>>2611017Thanks nonnies
No. 2611245
>>2611214Crackpot theory; people who start drawing as children are not beholden to these weird headcanons about Looimis and relied heavily on
>doodly doo go brrand thus have probably more freedom to go back and "draw seriously", since they know there is no wrong or right way to do something.
No. 2611251
>>2611237My speculation is she first cel-shades to ensure good contrast with the light,
and uses layer modes like multiply, including lots of gradients in the cell shaded layer. The gradients add depth and subtle interest - whereas the "bad rendering" example had very few hue shifts, while Ask uses a lot of techniques to polish her rendering.
The hue shifts are so subtle that I don't think you can pick them out in the start with a palette, but they come as a result of mixing layers and colors.
Using overlay or soft light mode can keep the colors from getting too muddy or dark, but it still takes a lot of technique and acuity to make sure they read well. She also understands color theory, like the blue parts of the painting are just very desaturated grays, but look blue in the painting. The Bad renderer would simply use blue.
No. 2611255
>>2611248I just save stuff to my hard drive and if I'm on mobile I just transfer, cloud storage is a meme
>>2611227Are you a forensic psychologist wtf kek
No. 2611280
File: 1752958882160.webp (1.39 MB, 1600x2268, Leda_Poster.webp)
>>2611231it is a filter, if noobs don't figure it out by themselves they get stuck there for 10 years running in circles doing the same studies over and over. People should study loomis then throw it in the trash and continue studying from a multitude of sources.
>>2611269the technical aspect like the physics of how light bounces and stuff like that is easy to learn, the design aspect requires mileage and trial an error, do master studies as you learn and break down art that you like to figure out why its working.
No. 2611407
>>2611402That's true, but I talk to literally nobody online or offline about art so I don't know anything about how good it is.
I run accounts for a niche pairing and I will keep drawing for it no matter how bad my technique is, but I can't help but compare and want praise especially if I notice that I've improved. I wonder if I can post an example that I haven't posted anywhere.
No. 2611413
>>2611399Nta but I think it has more to do with training your eye. People who are overly reliant on things like loomis are drawn to the method because it tells them exactly what to do. They can’t see that the perspective is off or that eyes don’t look like that at an angle, they only know if they want X result then they need to do A, B, C to achieve it.
Personally I’m not really conscious of what I am doing when I draw most of the time, I just look at something and decide if I like it or not. Because I have been drawing for a long time I’m able to identify a lot of beginner mistakes, but someone who is just starting out may not be able to see them at all.
No. 2611510
File: 1752968897825.gif (274.42 KB, 730x531, IMG_9690.gif)
>>2611344sorry if this is a stupid question but how is this program any different than making a folder labeled [thing] and just putting photos of [things] in it
No. 2611530
File: 1752969569053.jpeg (115.15 KB, 643x402, IMG_9691.jpeg)
>>2611520so it's like photostickies for windows
No. 2611532
File: 1752969651303.png (168.01 KB, 476x552, holy shit kek.png)
Nonas I'm watching the extremely aggressive beginner artist rip into other artists as he "redlines" and it's so fucking funny
No. 2611538
>>2611532sever Dunning kruger.
This is also why 99% of tutorials online are trash.
No. 2611611
File: 1752973184475.png (63.4 KB, 425x443, this is how real champs do it.…)
>>2611605samefagaroo
>>2611532Your wish is my command.
No. 2611615
File: 1752973467444.png (739.17 KB, 2048x1149, super-mario-bros-1993-05.png)
>>2611611I want to see the 93' Mario Movie goombas he draws so bad.
No. 2611632
>>2611611Is this him outlining what he thinks the shape of the head
is or is he doing this as an
improvement? I'm crying either way this is so funny, please share what his normal art looks like if you're able. I need to see the Rembrandt behind these masterpieces.
No. 2611635
File: 1752974312152.png (707.75 KB, 1306x1014, expert at work.png)
>>2611611I just kept digging. Tried to keep everything within the year.
No. 2611657
File: 1752974661210.png (300.42 KB, 548x845, mistakes were made but hes an …)
>>2611635Now. It's fine to draw the way he draws, let me put that out there. He is very much a good average. The main issue is that he's so fucking mean KEK
No. 2611661
>>2611635lol, gold tier cow.
I've met people like this, they try to skinwalk pro artists that they followed on social media and parrot snippets of things they heard artists say but have no clue on how to do anything or what any of it means.
No. 2611667
File: 1752975067143.gif (37.93 KB, 220x257, 1749836960920.gif)
>>2611635>>2611657Can't even draw a fucking cube and he's acting like that KEK
>He is very much a good averageYou're too kind,
or I'm too mean this is "I started drawing one month ago and will now stagnate forever" level of permabeg
No. 2611718
File: 1752976864594.jpg (853.22 KB, 1000x636, Kir1-5a.jpg)
>>2611635Anime artist trying to correct anime artist, and neither one of them knows ANYTHING about normal human anatomy
No. 2611740
File: 1752977627514.jpg (168.02 KB, 799x888, 5351324917_4aaf75d35e_o.jpg)
>>2611189You guys need to look at older illustrators, seriously. Both pictures you posted look generic as hell. The top one has the advantage of having decent lighting because it follows the rules of lighting. It's also a little impressionist with the color palette, but that's it. It's still anime.
No. 2611754
File: 1752978405199.jpeg (386.33 KB, 1179x1683, characters.jpeg)
Found on a reel asking about overused OC tropes. Perhaps the kids are healing
No. 2611773
File: 1752979488540.jpg (132.85 KB, 800x501, 3591494625_5f9d0e2c44_o.jpg)
>>2611760>>2611758Screech louder, you joyless harpies.
>>2611756No the original post was about "soulless artwork", which anon then referred to as "unappealing but high effort and detailed work". I like older illustrations that didn't rely on rendering to capture the soul.
No. 2611780
File: 1752979824794.jpg (514.37 KB, 1024x837, tumblr_lkdoaijzFr1qfh8aoo1_128…)
I bet if anon had posted Layton sprites you'd be all over it you damn weebs. Nothing wrong with diversified inspirations, the attitude that only specific types of realism and animu are the peak of art is the reason that everything looks the same these days.
No. 2611783
File: 1752979961082.jpg (101.92 KB, 343x483, 39958c0d07b6c68225e5f3bbf9fb4a…)
>>2611780Westerners arent good at stylization it always looks retarded. The disney worm style is ugly as sin.
No. 2611787
File: 1752980539490.jpeg (218.1 KB, 500x834, 00065976-500x834.jpeg)
>>2611783Objectively untrue, you just need to see more of it.
No. 2611795
File: 1752981306019.jpg (1.26 MB, 1136x1601, tumblr_otc2m8AsaU1qcpuvgo1_128…)
>>2611787But that's not stylization that's just realism. At least anime is stylized with the intention of being attractive, but garbage like disney/pixar/dreamworks is just plain unappealing. I dont think disney has ever drawn a single attractive guy ever, closest thing is the 3edgy5u skater 90s guy from that failed steampunk movie. I like western art but it gets boring to see pretty girls paired with ugly guys with big dick noses for the 2415th time. Westerners are good at realism and colors but stylization wise japs mog them. I will never understand why westerners are so allergic to drawing attractive men.
No. 2611830
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>>2611787>>2611787>>2611783>>2611780Yawn. Lurk more and learn from everything instead of being a boring boomer that hates stylization.
No. 2611843
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>>2611795AYRT, I actually agree with you on a lot of points, I just took offense at the statement that
>Westerners aren't good at stylization Though this is most likely a opinion that we're probably not going to agree on.
I wouldn't consider what I posted nor picrel realism either, but againWe're getting a bit lost in the weeds I feel, the original argument was for anons to diversify their internal library because both the western VN style and the animu art discussed are generic and mediocre, most likely because of exposure to only the same bland shit (as well as rushing out art in the VN's case.) The reason I brought up weebs is because a lot of Jap/East Asian art have styles that are obviously influenced by western art like
>>2611773 >>2611740 posted. So I just think it's funny when anons seemed disgusted by it when certain anime styles are basically the same just altered to fit into nippon ideals.
>>2611830I like animu, I just think going the whole "nippon art is superior to everything ever" all or nothing approach is a disservice to yourself. Also the anime art that started this in the first place is the most bland shit imaginable but you do you I guess.
No. 2611858
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>>2611843Is it really that wild of an idea to some anons itt that some people dont like the western boomer artstyle. It's not better just because you like it more than anime, it's actually pretty same-faced and derivative as well. Disney has been drawing the exact same characters for almost a century now to the point people can recognize the child faced button nosed woman and big nosed goofy fat/skinny man as a disney trope. Also, anime allows more expressive faces
>>2611787 >>2611843 these two drawings have the exact same boring poker face because the style is too limiting. I like western artists but when i have to pick which stylization i want to use for a drawing, its animu all the way, way more fun, allows for fun expressions, guys actually look hot, its cuter and more appealing etc. It's fun to steal colors from boomers though.
No. 2611869
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Y'all are retarded. I mean this from a place of love. Art is subjective and none of you are objectively right. "Stylization" includes various dgerees of realism, if you aren't adhering 100% to what you see. Nothing is better or worse, and can be experly executed by someone if you look hard enough. Grand, sweeping generalizations are silly; the west is not better at this and the east is not better at that. Ffs, we have weebs and westaboos running around making merry.
No. 2611875
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>>2611851
Using Disney as an example for western art and comparing it to the entirety of anime is weird, of course western animation is going to look more samey by that example. It makes more sense to compare anime to western comics as a whole, which are just as varied as anime in terms of artstyle
No. 2611880
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>>2611875Anyway I'm just going to start posting art that I like
No. 2611889
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>>2611858I don't think it should be a competition, just each side has certain strengths that the other is capable of implementing, as well as their own weaknesses. There's so much cultural exchange between western and eastern art that it's a bit silly to try and rank. Ukiyo-e influenced Impressionism which was a very significant movement and the art created out of it in turn influenced eastern art. Anime and manga styles were influenced by early 20th century western art, which in turn inspired western art again. It's like how eastern fashion trying to emulate western fashion influence western fashion which influences eastern fashion. It's an ouroboros of influence and inspiration and everyone should look at both sides for their own creative betterment.
No. 2611897
>>2611889>I don't think it should be a competitionI dont think so either, but people like
>>2611740 are always huffing their own farts about it and it gets annoying. No one cares you dont like anime, no one asked your opinion either.
No. 2611929
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>>2611914So you agree? Western comics and anime both have varied styles? Okay
No. 2612013
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any nonnas in the thread have any favorite tips/tricks from turning a quick drawing/sketch into a postable pic (certain types of backgrounds, textures, finishing?) i feel like I really suffer from my art looking like raw and unfinished
No. 2612164
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>>2612013i think the most important thing would be composition? framing the art in an interesting way can make an otherwise simple image look really striking. im saying this because when i feel like my art looks "unfinished" its usually that the composition sucks.
No. 2612249
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>>2611795>stylization wise japs mog themSome of my most favorite artists of all time are Japanese but tbh in general I think china’s best artists mog japs, at least in social media. There’s something so unique and recognizable about how they render and use color, their art scene must be different but we can’t really access/see it because of their internet firewall.
I’ve made weibo and red note accounts and I’m constantly blown away at all these artists I’m seeing there, but a lot of them don’t have western social media accounts. Meanwhile on twitter jap artists of course are free to post there. I genuinely think that the reason why a lot of people glaze jap artists is because Chinese artists are literally being restrained in their own sites so they don’t really know how good they are. Thankfully a lot of their popular artists have been posting on Twitter already, but it still amazes me how their average joe artist on weibo can create pieces that would get them at least 50k followers if they made Twitter. When I check pixiv and scroll through the top rankings for daily, weekly, and monthly, literally 95% of it is just that same boring animu style. I prefer anime stylization but scrolling through all of that really gives me anime fatigue for real.
Countries tend to cultivate their own art scene thus their artists will rub off styles one another. You can often tell when an artist is American, South American, jap, Korean, SEA, Chinese, etc
No. 2612441
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>>2611830Man you REALLY don't like people having opinions different from you, huh?
>>2611843I get what you're saying anon. I actually recently rediscovered Tomie dePaola's work. I grew up reading his stuff and I forgot how much I loved his style. Especially the way he drew cats and medieval figures.
No. 2612533
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Is it really that unrealistic to believe that you can like both anime and fine art and pick the anime artstyle because you genuinely like it and not because you a pleb who has never touched a museum or something? this is why people hate artists, some of you are so condescending for no reason. You are no better for liking fine art as opposed to chinese cartoons. To the eye of a normie we are both unemployed losers with useless skills.
No. 2612545
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>>2612508that's the manhua/fanart/novel illustration stuff. China has very high quality art schools that teach you oil painting before any digital art (like Russian ateliers), so they have a lot of digital artists who use very interesting trad-like textures. These artists tend to paint more boring stuff for their pro work and only put out cool, personal work once in a blue moon, and they'll never be as prolific as artists with more simple styles, but there's plenty of them to follow and enjoy.
No. 2612547
>>2612545This looks obnoxious to me, sorry
nonny.
No. 2612556
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why do east european fairytale books draw such hot husbandos or do i just have bad taste?
No. 2612647
>>2612631you need at least 100k interactions on your account to ask for payouts, and the pay is only gained from other checkmarks interacting with you.
I tested the checkmark for curiosity, I like the highlight and statistics features, but for payout it's not worth it unless you're a political account.
No. 2612653
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>>2612508It’s still noticeably appealing/better than jap art tbh. I know the danmei style you’re talking about and I couldn’t care less about it too, I barely follow any artists who draw that
No. 2612700
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>>2612655Ahhh, why did you got to say this to me, Nona, whyy
No. 2612715
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>>2605419I dont know but Im glad animecore is the trend right now because it's what killed the ugly sjw tumblr style that was everywhere 10 years ago.
No. 2612724
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>>2612715Nta but it was cool when a few people tried to replicate that animecore art style but now every single tiktok zoomie tries to do that and it became even worse when canihavepromo got popular
No. 2612751
>>2612702What troubles are you having nona? For weibo I was able to create an account using email, I think they ask you to verify a phone number too. For red note it was probably the same, or just a phone number. I have both of these installed on ios, dunno if it’s different with android. Try making a weibo account on desktop too, and you can sign in on your phone with its camera qr code function.
Lofter is definitely the most annoying one to try to make an account on, however it should be easy if you just link your weibo with it, that’s what i did. And to save original quality pics on lofter, you could inspect element and snag the image file there or download a right click enabler extension on your browser, then you go to the filename and change the image resolution number. I forgot how it looks but if you’re able to get a direct link of an image, i can change it for you and show which section to edit. I’ve been saving lofter pics for years kek, I don’t use it much anymore though since artists have boycotted the site for having ai crap or something so the artists i’ve followed stopped posting there.
And personally I only browse red note, I don’t know how to search for artists on weibo, you’ll have to just go to your fave artists’ weibo and look at their shares so you can find the other great artists they like. I’ve never browsed lofter at all.
No. 2612812
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i found this while reading the short comics thread on /m/ and it made me realize how much shen's art has declined over the years. i miss his buzzfeed-tier relatable comics, they weren't very original but they were easy on the eyes and had a charm. now all he draws is cringe girlfailure yuri bait for chronically online basement-dwelling trannies with janky lineart and either muddy or eyestrain colors, no in-between.
No. 2612829
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>>2612758What are you talking about? looks fine to me.
No. 2612831
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>>2612812new art for comparison. i really hated his highschool art club yuri saga. this shit literally hurts my eyes, i can't even focus on the text, it's so ugly it's distracting
No. 2612909
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>>2612866Genuinely what gives you that impression? The bike thing happened in 2017. He went on hiatus and adressed it making jokes about it later on. I looked through his twitter and it seems like he continued making his usual slop until ~2021 when he wanted to start another comic. If anything it's the effects of the pandemic lockdowns + him never having bothered with fundies
No. 2613187
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>>2612756I fucking feel you nona. I've been raging about this every time someone takes something I love and rebrands it to some retard's hashtag nonsense. How did the rest of us even find likeminded arti- oh right. Art websites. Fuck me. I'm so pissed there are no functional art-specific websites that haven't already been co-opted by nasty kinks.
I'm tired of socmed. I'm tired of socmed. I'm tired of socmed. Please bring back specialist sites instead of everyone trying to clamber together to throw things into the pile and pay to be noticed more than others please please please please
In other news, I really enjoy outdated art! It's neat. I grew up with anime-looking games so it holds a close place to my heart.
No. 2613387
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>finish a drawing and am pretty proud of it
>maybe it will still look fine to me a few days later, doubt can start creeping up
>weeks later i am fully embarrassed by it and can’t stand looking at it, hate it so much, am ashamed of it
why does this bullcrap keep happening to me? i hate this feeling so much, i cringe when looking at art that isn’t even a month old. i get embarrassed that i proudly showed this to my followers and am mortified at the possible judgmental thoughts they could’ve had. this is so frustrating and it’s why i can’t stand looking at my media page/profile. i can’t stop hating my art.
i look at other artists i admire and enjoy browsing their page..maybe people just tend to appreciate other peoples art more but are judgmental with their own? still though, my art probably isn’t the best because a lot of these artists didn’t follow me back but they followed my friends who have cuter and more appealing styles than me.
so it just confirms the fact that my art isn’t good enough for the people i look up to and it’s a shit feeling
No. 2613467
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>>2613187I miss this era of anime too, now anime is genuinely so plain looking. I miss when anime girls looked like baby cats.
No. 2613482
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>>2613187I draw shit like this because I grew up with it and like the shitty 2000s moege style, even Key stuff kek. I kinda don't care if someone sees my art and thinks im one of those animecore retards who discovered anime during the pandemic but it does make me sad how oversaturated this style is now. I mostly only draw guys in this moeslop style though, I haven't seen people do that much.
No. 2613500
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>>2613482You are doing god's work
No. 2613631
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>>2613482>I mostly only draw guys in this moeslop style though, I haven't seen people do that much.Based, I wish I could follow you right now as someone who also grew up liking the art style.
>>2613500Io's so cute. OT but his route's probably the only reason I ever want to play Kao no Nai Tsuki, besides Carnelian's art.
No. 2613679
>>26133871.The could be not following you because they sense the vibe that you hate your art.
2. remember in 5 - 7 years you will love your art again; like the phenomena of women thinking they looked old, ugly and fat and then 5 - 7 years later look endearingly at their old photos.
3. figure out why you don't like your art and change it.
t. I love my art and regularly spend 30 minutes every night browsing my own gallery / glazing myself.
No. 2613825
>>2612751Both Weibo and Rednote technically allow foreign numbers (it must be a phone, they don't allow email registration anymore) but the verification codes are always wrong for whatever reason, both the SMS and call ones give me errors despite inputting thwm correctly.
I have tried to sign-in in both PC and app and waiting until midnight for server reset, but nothing worked.
About Lofter, the only way to view it without an account is via the app (they changed it last year, now you can't even view a single post in browser unless you're signed in) so sadly I can't inspect elements. Apparently it's easier to make an account by making a WeChat first and then linking them, but that app is unavailable for my phone…
No. 2613848
>>2612909this one actually doesn't look that bad. i still dislike the huge diamond-shaped eyes he does
>>2612866i don't think that has anything to do with his arr getting worse
No. 2613940
>>2613468>are you evaluating your art enough and understanding specific issues enough as you draw?i always am, it looks fine as i’m drawing and it still looked fine when i posted it, maybe i should just wait a few days or even weeks to see if a drawing still looks fine? it doesn’t happen with every drawing i make, it’s just kinda random. like in one drawing i realized i drew the arms too fat and making them a little skinnier would’ve made a whole lot of difference
>>2613679i’m glad you like your art
nonnie, there is a specific art style in trying to go for but i almost never draw in that style because..honestly idk why, probably because there’s so many art styles i want to replicate but when i try incorporating all of it together i just fail miserably. pretty sure i also suffer from inconsistent art style syndrome which i hate, i envy those artists with a recognizable art style so much. i need to work on finding my own unique style, it’s probably why i hate looking at my media tab. it’s all inconsistent and doesn’t fit together
No. 2613964
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>>2613940>>2613387Are you me? Kek.
I have similar problems, however I've learnt that I should completely own it and embrace it. I think styles are something that naturally occur and become apparent over time, even if you're using different stylistic decisions with each work you'll subconsciously be drawn to similar themes and colour palettes (it's been proven that everyone has their own preferred internal palette) which will lead to cohesion in your body of work. Great example is AssasinMonkey, recognisable even though his style is constantly changing
drawing AJ nonstop helps with recognition but stillDon't know what the fuck your style is and have to stare at your old work for reference? Excellent! You should work on your fundies so no matter what you draw it looks good. This gives you some flexibility and imao makes you a better artist than someone who can only stick to a singular style. Even masters had stylistically inconsistent phases, the hard pushing of having a consistent, sellable, brandable style is a psyop created by Big Art
I'm kind of taking the piss in saying this but there's truth to it and socmed algorithms.
The following suggestions are a lot of work and aren't necessary especially if you don't have a lot of time on your hands (or you use art to unwind) but I think what might help is if make a document, or write it down physically, where you list every theme you want to convey and your inspirations. After that you can group things together and get a better idea of where you want to go. You might find writing artist statements for yourself useful. Hell, you could even critique your inspirations and really dig into why you like them and how you can implement aspects of that into your work.
Can't suggest anything about not hating art you make three seconds after you finish it, that's something everyone deals with (minus Dunning Kruger permabegs) individually.
No. 2613980
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>>2613964thank you for the advice nona, i don’t think i can escape the unique style propaganda kek, it’s probably one of my biggest art goals and if i finally create pieces in my desired art style i’ll finally be truly happy and proud of my art, and won’t cringe in disgust when i look at my own page. i don’t think i’ve ever felt truly proud of my art in years. and i’ve still had people tell me that they love my artstyle but i couldn’t really see it, or at least it still looks too generic to me, like there’s probably thousands of people who have similar styles.
and about the study thing, i’ve actually been thinking about creating detailed notes on art styles i like like what this tiktoker did kek, such as compiling eye shots and how they drew it, a hair section, clothes section, skin section, etc. i thought that having a folder of their artwork would be enough but maybe doing this will take it one step further instead of me constantly going back and fourth between images.
the question is how to merge different art styles together so maybe i could take notes of my favorite features from each artist and see how it plays out together but i’ll probably never have an artstyle that perfectly captures every single one, a lot of them are like different ends of a spectrum, one has a muted color palette while the other uses bright colorful palettes. that’s probably why i often fail because i want to draw both of these things but the end product ends up looking like neither of them
No. 2614046
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>>2613980>the question is how to merge different art styles together You might want to try out a process like picrel (don't have to follow it exactly ofc) where you do as much experimentation and study as you want and then slowly stripping it down to the bare essentials of what you like and then experimenting with that before distilling it down again. However, this is a long process that you shouldn't rush but simultaneously shouldn't stagnate in. Writing notes like your picrel is 100% a step in the right direction! I feel like you have a very good grasp of what you want so I believe you'll get to your goal. Wish you luck in your art journey nonnette ♥
No. 2614086
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>>2614080Aye, anons be temperamental. Like the sea they be.
No. 2614123
>>2614086More like LC nonas aren't a monolith, kek. I still think the picrel for
>>2613980 is too much when a master copy/actually trying to draw is more useful. Save the autistic paragraphs for comparisons between your copy and the original work