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No. 535839

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Share tips, local updates, vent about people coughing on each other, etc

WHO: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports
CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/index.html
Some twitter account with a lot of Corona related updates: https://twitter.com/bnodesk
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No. 535842

USA: 245k / 6k / 10k
Italy: 115k / 13k / 18k
Spain: 112k / 10k / 26k
Germany: 84k / 1k / 22k
China: 81k / 3k / 76k
France: 59k / 4k / 12k

So now Germany officially overtook China (doubt…) and Spain has turned into a second Italy.
Am I mistaken or are the numbers in France not rising as quickly as in the neighbouring countries? What are you guys doing differently?

No. 535852

>>535842
Lower population density. Also the fact that people saw what was happening in Italy before it happened in France so they had time to somewhat prepare.

No. 535862

>>535842
France doesn’t test people. Also like other anon mentioned being next door to Italy we saw the writing on the wall

No. 535867

>>535852
>>535862
>people saw what was happening in Italy before it happened in France so they had time to somewhat prepare.
Same can be said about all other non-eastern euro countries. Quarantines in most places were also issued around the same time (minus in Britain) but nevertheless it doesn't seem to work as well as it does in France.

No. 535868

>>535867
Maybe it has something to do with those 6 million masks they stole:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_France#Seizure_of_masks

That sure made them more prepared. And those whom they took masks from less prepared.

No. 535874

>>535867
The difference is that france might not have tried so hard to pretend nothing is wrong for 2 months.

No. 535878

>>535874
Like allowing the regional election as shit was going down in Italy?

No. 535894

>>535868
We need an edit with the chad mask seizing France and the virgin Germany

No. 535898

I'm supremely salty about still having to go to work because construction is considered "essential". Like hospitals and infrastructure I get, but my project is a luxury condo building that is literally just catering to rich foreigners who want a way to stash their money in the US. I mean I'm grateful to still be employed but I hate working with a bunch of men who are either middle-aged/boomers who STILL are like "this isn't a big deal the libtard snowflakes are overreacting" or field guys who are absolutely not washing their hands after using the portapotties and doing God knows what else. They gave us N95 masks but then my boss said we're not allowed to wear them because you have to be fit tested so thanks for nothing I guess. I still want to take it home so I can wear it on the bus and to the store but I'm afraid someone is going to call me out since there's a national shortage…

Ultimately I'm not super worried about getting sick myself but moreso that I could be asymptomatic and infecting everyone around me. My chest has been tight for like 2 weeks but I'm pretty sure it's just from being anxious 24/7. I'm finding it so hard to care about work or anything else with all this uncertainty, and it's not like everything is going to go back to normal immediately on April 30th (assuming they don't extend shelter in place in my city past then).

No. 535899

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Just read an article about this nurse who died from the virus. She was 36, with no underlying health issues

No. 535912

I'm contracted to work for a pharma company and they're trying their hardest to get me trained last minute to help backup people. It's happening now because they were planning to let me go soon so they gave me unimportant office roles. Yet now cause of the virus they realize they need as much help as they can get, and they want me on the floor. Everyone in that building is older than me. They had me working remote but now the manager is begging me to come in whenever so I can try to learn, and it's a complicated folder process with many SOPs and regulations. We originally agreed to do half shifts on certain days, but he told me when I was there yesterday "Ah well when you're sitting at home with not a lot of work to do come on in!" Lol, as if. I'd be willing to stick my neck out more if 1. They were guaranteeing me a job and 2. If when I got there my time wasn't being wasted. Whenever I've gone in for this alleged "training" everyone is so busy that they just wind up giving me papers to read and sending me on my way–I can do that shit from home. I can't observe anyone when they do folders and paperwork because of social distancing. They flat out told me yesterday they were so busy that they couldn't train but I could go over the checklist on some folders if I wanted? Yeah, okay, except I have vague clues about what I'm doing and half the shit on the checklist I can't perform because my account literally hasn't been approved for all the verification software I'd need to do the checklist with. I feel like the manager is giving me a shit test to see if I'll come in extra, but nah fam. I don't think I should. I think this is insane bullshit and not what I signed up for. At least the people who are there are direct employees and get the pay and have the insurance, whereas I'm the peasant contractor paid by the lowest bidder. None of them is gonna give a fuck if I get sick, and I don't have insurance. I'm just concerned if I don't ~prove myself~ by literally risking my health, that they'll let my contract expire out in May and I don't think that would qualify me to collect unemployment in which case I'm royally fucked. I hate that I'm being forced to make these kinds of decisions.

No. 535915

>>535874
They absolutely did

No. 536007

>>535898

fucking same. goddamn condos and remodeling your fancy ass home are not essential services and I really resent being a sacrificial lamb for it. It's basically impossible to practice social distancing and good hygiene on a job site, I don't know what they're thinking

No. 536009

>>535899
Health care workers are more at risk because they're surrounded by disease all day and work long hours so their immune systems are shot.

No. 536015

Construction workers are using the only bathroom my family has right now and are 100% not washing their hands, no matter how much I bitch to my parents nothing happens, I’m about to fucking lose it and just have an absolute breakdown over this and I will scream in front of everyone and I don’t care.

Unrelated but they’ve been here 4 days and my toilet seat has gone from white to brown. How the fuck are you so disgusting you manage to do that in three days. My family of three has been using the same toilet everyday for two months and it has never gotten that dirty that quickly.

No. 536021

>>536015
In the previous thread, when you said you lived in one of the worst states, I wonder how many US anons naturally assumed you were speaking about our states. The home renovations are still going on (somehow) on this street, even though we now have an official business only stay at home order.
I really feel for you. You're trying to keep it together, meanwhile your toilet seat probably looks like it has coffee stains.

No. 536028

the mayor of my parent's county declared a stay at home order, but revoked it bc people were mad….My mom works in hospice care and cannot be bringing corona to the people she looks out for, plus i don't want my parents getting it either. imagine being this dense and selfish.

my sister works in a children's hospital and she's also pregnant so i'm worried for her too

No. 536033

>>536021
You might be confusing me with another post but I guess I should clarify that my state isn’t that bad at this point. We started things somewhat early in terms of stay-at-home and we’re spread out as a community so I’m thankful for that. One guy literally just walked past my window and coughed without covering his mouth though. And another random guy just showed up, even better. These fucks just keep having random guys stop by and either do like 45 minutes of work and just hang out in talk. I told my group chat this and they were like ‘That’s how construction is’ yeah okay but this is a FUCKING PANDEMIC.

I feel like shit and I’m getting pains in my jaw/nasal cavity that I get when I’m sick but I can’t tell if it’s just anxiety.

No. 536039

>>535842
>>535855
No one said or implied that. Have you never heard of misdiagnosis? Think a little. Where's the evidence for the Covid test having a 3% margin of error? It doesn't exist because no one actually knows its error or accuracy rate, just that it diagnosis with false positives and negatives all the time >>532635.

>>535859
>Back in December China started seeing more and more cases of pneumonia
It's hard to separate the truth from the lies, especially when it comes to China and their narratives. Try looking into the PCR test. At best all it can do is show you have THE FLU.
>Until we have antibody testing we really don't know how many people who are infected.
Which means the mortality rates, all these "1,000s of deaths from coof" being reported everyday in the news, is being cooked up.

This was from Jan 11:
>The World Health Organization said on Thursday that a newly emerging member of the family of viruses that caused the deadly Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) outbreaks, could be the cause of the present outbreak.

>In 2003, Chinese officials covered up a SARS outbreak for weeks before a growing death toll and rumours forced the government to reveal the epidemic. The disease spread rapidly to other cities and countries. More than 8,000 people were infected and 775 died.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/266824-man-dies-from-mysterious-disease-in-china-following-pneumonia-outbreak

I don't think they were a talking about an uptick of respiratory illnesses then, and if they're talking about it now there's still not enough evidence to show Covid is the cause of it. Maybe start cleaning up all the fucking air pollution.

No. 536045

>>536039
I wasn't talking about PCR tests? And PCR tests are just basically a type of genome amplification, they can be used to test basically any genomic material.
A PCR test is able to tell the difference between flu and covid.

I'm not trying to defend china here I was just trying to explain to you why they used CT to diagnose.

And yeah we don't have definitive evidence that all those people in china died from covid yet, due to the lack of antibody testing. Technically e just know much more people are dying from pneumonia/respiratory infections than what is normal, until testing catches up we won't have hard data to prove it.

No. 536047

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Browsing groceries, didn’t even attempt to order anything yet and this shit is coming up. Yikes. You’d think they’d be ready for this capacity by now.

No. 536052

>>535839
Read on BBC that we will hit the peak in most American states in 3 MONTHS, and that we won't fully get rid of this for at least a year. Do you guys agree with those estimates?

No. 536054

>>536052
absolutely. no way this can last under a year

No. 536055

>>536039
>Chinese state media earlier this week pointed to a new type of coronavirus
>Chinese state media
They're definitely well known for not lying or peddling propaganda every second of the day. You know Xi was desperate to clamp down on all the protests going on. Awfully convenient timing, for sure.

No. 536057

>>536047
I read that some grocery stores are asking healthy people to come into the store instead because they can't handle the high volume of online orders and want to be able to get food out to sick people who are stuck inside.

No. 536063

>>536045
>they can be used to test basically any genomic material. A PCR test is able to tell the difference between flu and covid.
This still doesn't account for the fact that in order to express symptoms, the virus has to be replicating in your body by the millions, something the PCR test can't determine. And this still doesn't explain all the false positive and negative diagnoses, does it? I'm going to find that CDC document because after reading it, I thought it was ridiculous that this is what we're relying on for testing.

No. 536065

>>536063
>I was just trying to explain to you why they used CT to diagnose.
Samefag. If there's an increase in respiratory illnesses, CT scan isn't going to determine the cause, yet that's what they've been using to find it? Doesn't make sense.

No. 536066

>>536065
Why do you think there's been an increase in respiratory deaths recently compared to before? It can't be flu or pollution like you said, the numbers would be the same as ever. Why do you think it's happening now right when a new illness is going around?

No. 536074

>>536063
Yes we would need an antigen test to tell if someone is currently infected and an antibody test to determine whether someone has been infected in the past. Unfortunately PCR is the best we have at the moment but many companies are working to try and develop rapid antigen/antibody tests.

No. 536076

>>536033
Think I did confuse you with another construction anon, sorry. Still, hope you're hanging in there.

No. 536082

>>535868
The US did it too, I guess everybody fends for themself now.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/coronavirus-face-masks-bound-for-canada-and-germany-diverted-to-us-1.1001199
>The delivery from mask manufacturer 3M was shipped from China and reloaded in Bangkok before it was to be transported to Germany by air freight. However, in Bangkok, the shipment was suddenly "redirected" to the US, Berlin police confirmed.
Even if the deal was already made, of somebody is able to pay even more, they win and get it instead. I guess all countries who don't have factories to produce masks/equipment themselves are fucked. In germany they said that the amount of masks they have now will only continue to last for 2 weeks. Thousands of the hospital staff are already infected (probably more actually) and I reckon it's similar in other countries too.

No. 536085

The swedish epidemiologist now admits Sweden should've restricted things sooner, he just didn't think it'd be so bad.

No. 536090

My mental health is shit. I keep having suicidal ideation because I feel like there's no point in living like this. I can't talk to anyone about it because no one understands that it's not a threat and I'm not going to hurt myself and threaten to get me committed if I keep talking about it. I'm just tired and it feels like there's no end in sight since idiots can't just stay at home. I wish they'd round them up and quarantine them away from the people who are smart enough to follow the rules and stay at home.

No. 536093

>>536085
other Swedes, do you follow the official guidelines or do you just stay at home? Everyone is unsure of what's best, it's a confusing time.

No. 536118

>>536090
Anon try to focus on a goal. Remember that 90% of people have zero quarantine reserves and will degenerate into alcoholic useless Netflix blobs within the coming weeks. I’m already seeing it happen. As femanons we already have built up immunity for being alone. I’m focusing on drawings and watching video editing tutorials online, as well as reading all the books gathering dust on my shelf. If you apply yourself to something you always wanted to do you’ll emerge into the post corona world as your best self will the majority people, I can promise you, are gonna be worst off in every way.

No. 536121

>>536093
I work from home and office and switch every week. I haven't seen anyone isolate themselves in my personal friend group if I'm honest.

Shops are noticeably less crowded however.

No. 536125

>>536066
Based on the available data (including the unmitigated bs coming out of China), there's as yet no explanation for it, none.

It was Chinese state media that first called this "a new type of virus". They're not exactly known for being honest, so I think it's safe to say we could be dealing with literally a multitude of different things right now. Not to mention other news media outlets going "our 500th Coof death happened today" pulling these numbers directly out of their asses because as anon said >>536074, there's no antibody testing, therefore no accurate diagnoses. No one's doing antibody testing, rendering figures like these >>535842 useless.

I didn't say it wasn't flu or pollution. Pollution is a major contributing factor to respiratory disease, so you'd think it might be a good idea to tackle that issue sooner than later.

No. 536131

>>536066
>It can't be flu or pollution like you said, the numbers would be the same as ever
Sorry I misread your comment. An increase in pollution would certainly contribute to a rise in mortality, wouldn't it? This >>532649 addresses the pollution factor, and also other factors like age and pre-existing conditions. Not saying that's ALL it is. I don't believe there's just ONE THING causing all of this.

No. 536133

>>536118
This pretty much. Try to do a bit of exercise every day too. I just pick a random 20 min workout video off YouTube and do it. It's helping my sanity a lot.

Try not to worry about the other idiots, you cant make them listen and they will suffer the consequences one way or another. Staying healthy and following best practices will keep you ahead.

No. 536165

I live somewhere where the Coronavirus rates are tripling every single night and Walmarts are STILL insanely overcrowded. The stupidity of humans amazes me sometimes, I'm starting to see the side of the people excited for people to die at this point

No. 536170

I can't believe the CDC is only JUST recommending that Americans wear masks.

This is after they repeatedly told us that masks "do nothing" and "make you sicker." I know they had to dissuade people from hoarding medical-grade gear, but there was still absolutely no recommendation for homeade or resusable masks at all. Even though it's been known for ages that cloth masks can help reduce asymptomatic community spread.

Now they're telling us to stick bandanas and scarves over our faces. Godspeed fellow burgers, it's been real.

No. 536173

>>536170
Ah yes, red and blue bandanas on people's faces are gonna go over real well in certain parts of the country.

No. 536175

tfw just got tested possitive :(

No. 536176

>>536175
How are you feeling anon? Are your symptoms severe?

No. 536181

>>536176
they suck but are not that bad. I can not smell and i can not taste my food and i am constantly tired.but other than that it is not so bad

No. 536185

>>536181
How long have you had symptoms? I'm curious for any updates as time passes. Get some rest, anon and take care of yourself.

No. 536195

So, sharing my experience as someone who got infected by COVID-19
I work in a retirement home as a receptionist and phone operator. I believe that I got infected there since we unfortunately have many cases among our residents. I have self-isolated for one week, and I will go back to work next thursay.

I only had the mild symptoms such as headaches, bodyaches and pains in my chest. I was also coughing a little and my throat was sore. I've been sleeping at least 14 hours a day for the past week, holy shit, I've never been this tired in my life. I feel a lot better, and glad that I didn't get worse symptoms. I live with my 60 years old mother so I stay most of the time in my bedroom and desinfect any surfaces that I touch outside of my room and wear a mask.

My father got infected at the beginning of March, he's 62. He said he's never been this sick in his life, it felt like a flu but 3 times worse. Lost his sense of smell and taste, high fever, trouble breathing and unusually tired with body aches. He healed in ten days. He's rarely sick, but when he is, it's really worrying, so I was anxious the whole time about him.

Kinda "glad" that I got it so at least I don't have to constantly worry about getting it, I guess?? Well I hope that you can't get it twice, or at least that my body is immune from it for a longer period.

I live in France and the quarantine is supposed to progressively end on April 15th. The whole government proved to us that they're absolute dumbasses in managing this crisis, and lots of French people don't give a fuck about the pandemic (at least in some area of Paris) so I fear that at the end of the quarantine, the virus is going to spread even faster and wider.

Stay safe anons!

No. 536207

>>536047
tips on grocery shopping? online ordering takes a while, and I'm freaked out about going out in public even with precautions such as mask. mofos fighting each other for TP and clorox but will get all up in your grill at Costco, ffs.

No. 536220

Why can't Jewish people stay home? It's not even a racebait. Maybe the news is purely focusing on them, but I've seen them like 4 times in the news this week because they were keeping religious ceremonies and meetings despite the covid bans.

No. 536226

>>536220
lots of people are ignoring the lockdown rules and leaving the house for stupid reasons. locally to me there was a group of people that met up to have a barbecue and kept arguing with the police when told to go home. not anything to do with jewish people, its just humans being retarded

No. 536232

>>536220
You mean Hasidic and uktra orthodox?

“Jewish” encompasses normal people, like me, as well as weirdo cultists.

But to answer your question, they won’t follow rules because they think they are above the law, are hostile to outside information (esp anything to conflicts with their pre existing belief system) and are just crazy just like those Christian fundies that refuse to stop going to church.

No. 536241

>>536195
Damn. I hope you and your dad will be okay. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.

But why is France ending quarantine on the 15? Ours isn’t apparently ending until May 1st and we been quarantined since mid March (I’m a burger if anyone is wondering). It seems like a lot of countries are doing a piss poor job at handling this. I get it would be hard to handle it but a lot of officials didn’t take it seriously when they should’ve or still don’t.

No. 536243

>>536207
I went yesterday and people were well-behaved but it was still tense. Don't know what to say except get in, buy what you can and get out as fast as you possibly can. The store was practically empty of course. Fresh meat, eggs, milk, butter, TP, paper towels, sanitary items and now laundry detergents and such, you're going to need really good luck for these things.

It's easier said than done but just take a deep breath and go in the store, keeping a bit of distance from everyone. If the vibe is hostile, leave and hit up another store if possible.

No. 536244

>>536241
Not a Frenchanon but I really think France will extend the quarantine soon. The 15th is way too optimistic at best and rabidly delusional at worst.

No. 536245

My moms friend thinks coronavirus is a ploy from communists. I shit you not. It has something do with people not leaving their homes or something…? Idk

No. 536246

>>535899
I dont want to sound mean but she looks a bit chubby in that pic. And if you are fat you must have some health issue.


Anyways.
Was in Shibuya crossing today and there wasnt many people around. Its a bit shocking really, I've never seen it so empty.

No. 536247

Serious question, what's the liklihood of China getting sanctions after this? Like, they need SOME kind of punishment, they fucked over the entire world. I swear if this isn't enough for all countries to pull out their manufacturing…

No. 536248

>>536247
lol none. Everybody is afraid of China unfortunately.

No. 536249

>>536246
>Wearing a hijab that hides her chin, lower body cut off, can't see arms, only face
>She's fat

Oml you anons really love jumping at the chance to call anyone fat, do you want her to have a sunken face when she smiles or something?

No. 536250

>>536249
>fatty detected.

But come on. You can see her full cheeks and very broad body. Stop now.

No. 536252

>>536246
>dead nurse
>”she’s fat that’s why she died kek”

What the fuck

No. 536255

>>536246
lol are you really out here making fun of someone that died trying to save others, you must be such a pride to your parents.

No. 536256

>>536246
Weeb anons living in Japan stay being the worst posters on this site

No. 536257

>>536250
>>536250
>Full cheeks
She's smiling you moron, unless you're 13 BMI you will have full cheeks when smiling
>Broad body
You only see her shoulders, that's not enough to determine she's fat especially since a lot of adult middle eastern women tend to have broad shoulders. Step outside and see women who aren't all kpop stars and supermodels

No. 536259

>>536246
>Nurse dies of Corona despite no previous health issues
>But she was fat

Ok Ana chan
She doesn’t even seem like a deathfat. Just someone who is kinda overweight

No. 536260

>>536246
lol do you think that's important in this case? tons of other medical workers have died despite being a healthy weight. the fact that her weight was the thing you cared about the most when you read the headline omg

No. 536264

I’ve had a headache, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea on and off since last night. How common are these symptoms with coronavirus? I’m really just hoping I ate some bad food but I’m fearing the worst right now.

No. 536265

>>536246
Yeah because we all know that the Chinese who died from this virus were obese fat piggus. Quit coping, it could be you.

No. 536266

>>536264
I believe those are less common symtoms. The most common as far as i can tell are, pressure in the chest, trouble breathing, migraine style headaches, extreme thirst, loss of taste and smell, fever, and aches in the body, mainly upper body like shoulders and back.

No. 536267

>>536266
Oh and also extreme fatigue.

No. 536268

I don't know if I should go to my employer's HR or the local government but my mind is fucking reeling, I need to talk about this somewhere, this literally just happened and I need to get my thoughts organized and some outside insight.

I work for a (US) fabric store chain and we were deemed as an "essential business" due to the demand for face masks. I was not given the option to take a leave of absence and was not given hazard pay up until last Sunday. I'm in my early 30's, am not immunocompromised, and there hasn't been a startling number of cases in my area, but I really don't how vulnerable I am. I live in a midwestern college town, and despite the fact most students are gone now, our store has actually gotten busier since the quarantine. I don't even have to ask, every customer is making masks. We can't keep elastic or interfacing in stock. There's been a lot of customers who told me they've never even sewn before but figure this is a good time to learn while they're stuck at home.

Last night I developed a dry cough and chest pain. I wanted to believe it was just incidental, I've had coughs and sniffles off and on all winter, but it started up again when I got into work this morning. I didn't want customers to be alarmed, so I tried to suppress the cough or hide in a vacant aisle to let it out. The longer it went on, the more I realized this was a stupid risk to take (the majority of our customers are elderly women) and I needed to talk to somebody.

I told the store manager what was going on, and he asked me if I had a fever. I felt stressed and sweaty, but I didn't have a thermometer on me, how would I fucking know? He said since he hadn't heard me cough and presumably didn't have a fever that I needed to just work through it. We were too busy and I was needed to close. I was and still am so fucking confused, how seriously am I supposed to take this shit??? Am I going to fucking die or am I an overreacting hypochondriac? At the very least, how's it going to look if I can't hide the fact I'm coughing uncontrollably? Was I supposed to disregard concern for my health because it inconvenienced him?

As I'm typing this out, I just realized that means this company has made absolutely no preparations for the inevitability of employees contracting the virus. I don't fucking get it. The face masks people are making aren't even medical-grade. Joann Fabrics is claiming to be essential and charitable because of those fucking things when they're really just profiting from a crisis. Aside from management, everyone at our store is part-time without benefits (like health insurance).

I actually love my job. I get along with my coworkers well and I like helping people. I've worked there for almost a couple of years now. I felt very conflicted and guilty, that I shouldn't have even said anything, that I was reacting disproportionately. I also couldn't, in good conscience, keep working with the public and potentially spreading this to them. I had to excuse myself to go to the bathroom as I had started to cry. It took me several minutes to calm down and tell my manager I needed to leave. He said I could go, I gave him my equipment while clocking out, and he doused his hands with sanitizer. Before I walk out, he tells me about how hard two of my coworkers had to work to cover for me today. He is legitimately angry and has never spoken to me like that before. I'm so caught off guard I start crying again and ask him if I did the wrong thing. He tells me he assumes I'm not coming in tomorrow, and to call him before my next shift Tuesday "to see where we go from here" and I don't know if he was implying he didn't want me to come back.

No. 536273

>>536266
Ayrt, I’ve got all of the symptoms except for the respiratory.
But the fatigue and thirst could be from vomiting/diarrhea. And the body aches could be my scoliosis. I get migraines on the regular. I lost smell briefly a few days ago but my allergies medications hadn’t kicked in yet when it was happening.

I guess it doesn’t really matter much anyways, I’m jobless so I won’t be spreading it and can’t get tested unless it’s so bad I’m being admitted to the hospital here. I’m just scared and sick.

No. 536274

>>536268
Employers who try to guilt you out of taking sick leave are the worst even when there isn’t a pandemic. What would happen normally if you got sick at work? Seems you reacted reasonably (if you’re sick, you’re not much help and you put others at risk).

Now add the fact that we’re in the middle of a motherfucking pandemic. What assholes. Take care of yourself anon I hope you feel better!

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No. 536279

>>536268
I don't know how far it will get you since the company is being shitty (I'm a cosplayer and I refuse to shop at Joanns during this time because it should absolutely be closed and is just putting people in danger in order to profit), but I would go to HR. Tell them that your manager reacted badly to the fact that you left work because you felt sick- with symptoms of covid. I believe they are making laws that employers have to give you sick leave if you have it (it might just be certain companies that are doing this, I might be mistaken, I'm scattered from anxiety). Either way, you need to go above your manager if he's being a dick about it because your health, and the health of everyone else there, is more important.
I hope you feel better and everything works out. I'd boycott Joanns for good if there was anywhere else to get fabric locally because this whole thing is bullshit.

No. 536282

>>536268
Is it Hobby Lobby? Because fuck that place and fuck the fundies who own it.

No. 536283

>>536173
Kek I was just thinking about this earlier today while walking around my local ghetto ass Walmart

No. 536285

>>536282
Anon mentioned Joann Fabrics, but now that you mention it I'm really amazed Hobby Lobby didn't try to pull the same shit and get themselves declared an essential business.
Then again the owners are probably in their doomsday bunker thinking this is a biblical endgame.

No. 536286

I’m just coming here to vent, but why the fuck are none of my friends taking this seriously? We live right by a major city where the outbreak is pretty fucking bad, our city isn’t as hard hit, yet. I’ve made it pretty abundantly clear I’m social distancing, to the point where my friends (who clearly aren’t) invited me to go drink with them tonight. I told them no, my fiancé is immunodeficient, so we have to be extra careful. I’ve been laying in bed feeling like shit about turning my friends down and making them feel shitty. But then they fucking just showed up at my door. My fiancé answered the door, idk why because we’ve been distancing for a month now. But he did. Very fucking cool of them, all 15 to just show up and expose my fiancé to whatever they’ve been exposing themselves to. Fuck people like this for being so reckless and stupid!!! I don’t honestly want them as friends anymore, absolute trash behavior, almost felt like a ‘fuck you for distancing and being honest about it, we’re gonna get you sick anyway’. I hope they someday realize what a shitty thing they just did and how many people they’re endanger, even outside of just me and my fiancé. This isn’t a joke, they’re the problem and I can’t believe I was naive enough to consider them friends.

No. 536288

Can anyone in the US comprehend why places that are open and deal with the public aren't having mandatory hazard pay? How is this even allowed? Are there any laws about this? I am legit done and just about ready to quit.

Also why the fuck aren't property taxes going down like, immediately? Especially in states that have high cases? That alone would help a lot of people out on the East and West coast who are getting laid off instead of ruddy Unemployment throttling everyone but still expecting them to keep up with already overpriced expenses.

No. 536291

>>536286
anon I'm infuriated for you. there's a disturbing number of people who it seems aren't going to start taking this seriously until somebody close to them actually dies.

No. 536294

>>536082
Imagine all the countries
Seizing medical face masks
Imagine all the people
Hoarding hand sanitizers
No solidarity in a crisis
It's easy if you tryyyyyy

No. 536296

>>536291
I felt a bit like I was overreacting, so I appreciate the solidarity. My fiancé is a very positive person, almost to the point of being deluded. He keeps telling me it’s fine, they weren’t sick, they were just drunk and not thinking straight. But I don’t really think that’s a good enough excuse?? Like is this really some sort of vacation for these people? And even if they didn’t look sick, they could easily be asymptomatic. I tried explaining my outrage to my fiancé but he’s being willfully ignorant. On one hand, i wish he was as worried as I am, on the other, it’s not my immune system I’m worried about. Idk I’d rather him stay positive as long as possible, it’s probably better for his health anyway. Anyway, thanks for letting me work through my rage, I just wish I didn’t have to. I wish this was all some big joke, like everyone around me seems to believe.

No. 536301

I know this is shitty and many people are suffering but I really fucking hope Coronavirs ends SJW journalism, by everyone being in Dire Straits maybe these "Journalists" can stop righting articles about how Dr. Robonik is a perfect example of "white male rage" or the billionth article defending Islam

No. 536305

>>536288
The government doesn't give a shit about the poors. My school campus is still open to students and I'm still supposed to go to work. I don't get any aid from the relief bill, school, or unemployment so I literally can't afford not to go to work and it seems like no matter what I do I'm fucked.

No. 536323

>>536246
Oh fuck you, she died because she pushed herself to absolute limits while being sick to save others' lifes. She likely worked day and night, without any breaks, without being able to just remove her mask to drink some water or take medicine.

All you ana-chans will quickly lose your smugness once you get it yourself and are suddenly dropping weight like crazy because you're no longer even able to eat nor drink and maybe even have diarrhea. Unless you're deathfat being "chubby" is fine or even beneficial same as it is with any other major illness. There's a reason a few extra pounds (like those nurse had) were seen as a sign of wealth and wellbeing in the past, it just makes you more sturdy against nasty illnesses. If you're 100lbs (or one of those dumbfucks who said they're just gonna fast now) it won't take much to weaken you so much that you're on the brink of death.
My "fat" aunt got over it really, she even took care of my slim ex-smoker uncle, who's no longer even able to speak and still in hospital. Like all scientists everywhere always say, it's smoking that majorly fuck you up.

No. 536324

>>536323
I'm not anorexic dumbass, I was just pointing the obvious. And I wasn't making fun of her either like other anons have mentioned, I was just pointing one thing out that might have affected how the virus affected her.
. Other anons have also mentioned here how Americans are getting fucked so much because of their unhealthy habits and weight also so go and bitch at them too .

Someone said how the Chinese that died were not fat 536265 , who knows, but two facts here are that 1) a LOT of Chinese people smoke like chimneys and 2) most of the ones who died (at least the ones they reported in the news) were old.(Autistic nitpicking )

No. 536329

Just stop replying to the copes. No argument and nothing you say will change their mind and if it does, they'll just cling to a new cope.

No. 536355

>>536324
Ntayrt but the NHS is in the UK dumbass. Also, even if she is “chubby”, she’s obviously not obese so your deflection is a tad moot, no?

No. 536357

Smokers: well, you gotta die of something.

Corona-chan: (/╰^._.^╯\)

No. 536371

>>536286
They are better off without you and your type.

No. 536378

>>536241
>>536244

My dad is fine now, he stays at home and carries on his daily activities as usual, I'm fine too, thanks for your concern, anon!

I do think that they will extend the quarantine period too, it's seems way to unrealistic to end it now. From what I got from the news, the end of the quarantine won't be brutal, only certain categories of people will be allowed to go out, we don't know who exactly yet.
Rabidly delusional is the best way to describe the French government, anon, trust me.

No. 536381

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>>536246
Based Ana-chan.

No. 536390


No. 536407

>>536381
I laughed out loud ty anon

No. 536415

If only all the fatties and the anachans died(Hamchan)

No. 536417

>>536415
Self-harm is unhealthy.

No. 536419


No. 536422

Tested positive. The only times I have left my house for the past 3 weeks is for walks.

About a week and a half ago, I noticed that the trails were so packed that people were passing by each other mere inches apart… runners breathing heavily…

i said naw fuck that and went back inside but still developed symptoms a few days later. i have asthma and its painful

No. 536425

>>536422
They say the virus spread just from breathing and talking so I'm not surprised that those places would be contaminated. That's really unfortunate anon, I hope you recover well. Keep us updated.

No. 536436

>536324
>Bitching about how Americans have shitting eating habits when the nurse was from the U.K
Just stop

No. 536440

>>536422

Sorry to hear. It figures, though. I'm 99% sure I had it and the only realistic way I could've got it was through it just floating in the air in a store.

No. 536453

>>536301
Sadly I doubt anyone will change their mind after this ends. Corona-chan is just confirmation bias for most people whether SJW or not.

No. 536458

>>536422
That was concerning me too. Luckily I have trails behind my house but people are still walking their dogs and biking and such (you're allowed to go out for exercise where I am and it makes sense) it's not a crazy amount of people but it's enough. But I also wonder about just going to the grocery store or bringing home groceries that who knows how many people touched.

>>536118
Also I appreciate this anon. I have mental illness (depression/anxiety) too but I have already learned to find happiness with my own hobbies and interests and how to be independent. So this stay at home order is a breeze for me. The people that are having issues are the ones who need other people to be happy, and have no hobbies or real interests. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see my friends, but most of mine have moved or I moved so I'm already used to not seeing them.

No. 536465

>>536422
Yeah I'm one of the cleanest and most careful people I know. I never touch anything that other people do, bare handed unless I can wash or sanitize my hands right after. I got this literally within a week of schools starting to shut down. I only worked 2 days that week, in retail. I definitely got it from breathing air that someone infected had walked through. This shit is airborne and I hate that people are still in denial. If it weren't, I guarantee you it wouldn't be spreading so rapidly. They should have been upfront from the beginning.

No. 536467

Today I was volunteering in a covid ward and none of the nursing staff were wearing masks unless they went into a room with a covid patient (whole ward was full of covid patients, only covid patients), apparently they have had covid patients for the last couple weeks and none of the staff have gotten sick… I wore a surgical mask at all times but the nursing staff strongly felt like they didn't need to unless they were literally in a patients room.

No. 536472

>>536467
I went to a supermarket the other day and it was extremely crowded, everyone was morbidly obese, nobody was wearing any sort of masks of gloves, fatties still kept crowding despite it being already crowded and some guy decided to cough on everyone


Honestly? It's hard to feel bad for people who continue to do this shit, natural selection is just taking its course

No. 536477

>>536268
Absolutely go to HR. This is a huge problem. This compromises the health of their employees and customers. Additionally, this could cause a PR nightmare for them if the media found out management is bullying their employees to work while sick during a fucking pandemic. Sorry you are having to deal with this anon.

No. 536480

Getting groceries delivered today, I'm ready to cover myself up and disinfect the fuck out of everything before I bring it inside

No. 536481

I'm moving back in with my parents, was just going to abandon most of my furniture in my apartment but my parents insist on my 60-year old dad helping me move back because "you shouldn't make your landlord deal with that". My dad even wants to come help me move boxes even though I keep telling him I can do it all myself. Most of it is cheap ikea furniture so I'm considering taking it apart and throwing it in the dumpster just to shut them up. It's stressing me out so bad.

No. 536488

I work for a local coffee shop and we are being okayed for staying open but.. we dont get 80% of our tips now because we arent allowed to ask customers to sign receipts (minimal back and forth) and all the ceo has done about this is give us all a measly dollar pay increase an hour. Now I'm only making half as much as I should be..I hate this fucking company anyways and want them to go under..customers are so fucking rude anyways and they piss me off because none of them are social distancing everyone who comes by is bringing their whole family and cars full of rich teens with their annoying friends. Anyway is it worth exposing myself to this virus for pennies an hour….the only thing is no one else is hiring unless I want to do online grocery orders or food delivery but no car so I guess I'll just die

No. 536490

>>536488
Honestly no. Nothing is actually worth exposing yourself to this virus tbh. Millions of people are filing for unemployment right now so its not like you'd be alone in your decision to do so if you choose to do that. My retail company furloughed me after telling us to stay home with pay for 2 weeks. After this coming week is done we are no longer getting paid and Im filing for unemployment and not going back to the job. They're gonna have to rebuild or suffer the consequences of their own actions of not paying their employees. Im done with retail and this was the final nail in the coffin. I will gladly look for a non retail job when this is all over, and im sure my prospects will be great because non retail companies are going to be looking for people and most people are going to feel so desperate they settle right back into minimum wage low tier retail and fast food jobs again. Definitely aim higher!

No. 536507

>>536490
If she quits she won't get unemployment. Similar to if she's fired. You only get it when you are laid off. So yes, her job is most likely worth it unless she can survive on her savings for the next 6 months.

No. 536511

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So it looks like that I will have to get tested because just I randomly got told that my brother had contact with a guy a week ago that was tested positive. He works in a food store and the boss didn't even inform him, he got the news by a guy from work randomly while playing online. Now the entire household will remain at home at monday and see when we can get tested because everybody else is already going mental about it lmao
This is annoying af

No. 536513

>>536488
I know everyone in this thread is freaking out over corona but if you're young and healthy it's worth it. Imo you're in bigger trouble when you can't pay your rent and groceries than you are if you happen to catch the virus.

No. 536522

>>536507
So annoying that people in "essential" jobs are still being paid the minimum while other people can get the boosted unemployment bux. America is going to have the worst case scenario overall b/c of this and dumbass right-wing boomers still thinking it's a hoax.

No. 536523

>>536488
yes, you'll probably live otherwise hope you like camping together with the homeless folk. honestly don't know why perfectly healthy 20 year olds who aren't at any sort of risk to infect anyone more vulnerable are freaking out like this. you'd think its hiv or something.

No. 536529

>https://www.lercio.it/coronaviruschallenge-positiva-ragazza-che-aveva-leccato-boris-johnson/

>LONDON - The echoes of the news of the positivity to Boris Johnson's coronavirus had just begun fading when the first significant consequences are already arriving . An English girl, QUEE N. , Would have in fact "tested positive at Covid-19" after licking the premier. This was reported by journalist Piers Morgan during the ' Good News Britain ' television broadcast. The girl had joined the #CoronavirusChallenge , launched on Tik Tok, in which people are invited to lick public objects in spite of the coronavirus; an irresponsible challenge started by the influencer Ava Louise , who made a video while licking the toilet in the bathroom of an airplane. "I wanted to emulate it," said QUEEN, "I licked Boris Johnson because I thought it was a toilet. And who imagined he was the Prime Minister? " . "Tell me, I still don't believe it," said the Queen .


>Q. today she would have been hospitalized at London Bridge Hospital , ' Infected and enormous idiots' ward, and continues to post stories on Tik Tok in which she struggles between life and death. The videos related to the social challenge have multiplied rapidly in the world, almost at the same rate of growth of the infections. Tik Tok has made it known that it will remove the contents deemed unsuitable in this moment of emergency, that is it will almost completely delete its database.


>Speaking of the Prime Minister's positivity, Buckingham Palace makes it known that the Queen last met Johnson on 11 March but that " the sovereign is in good health ". Prince Charles, who was not present during the meeting, commented: “It was Mum who met Johnson, and I am positive for the coronavirus. As usual, I'm the one who takes it in the ass . " Boris Johnson has in fact contracted the coronavirus after Prince Charles, also on the basis of a specific statutory rule that provides that rulers always have precedence when it comes to pestilences, a rule known as ' virus primae noctis '.


>"In the past few days, I have had some mild symptoms of coronavirus, such as cough and fever," said the British Premier. “I tested myself and tested positive. Now I will work from home, I am self-isolated and it is the right thing, but thanks to the technology I will always be in contact with my collaborators and I will be able to continue to shoot bullshit " assured BoJo.


Nice to see Italians have kept their sense of humor in those hard times(namefag)

No. 536545

Okay, fuck. It happened. My boyfriend has a fever and I probably will start showing symptoms too (I live with him). It's fucking stupid because I have been isolating for more than 20 days but in the country we live non-essential companies are acting like everything is normal so he still had to go to work. Now we are both stuck at home for at least 14 days and I will have to play his mommy gf even more. This counting I won't get very sick either.

No. 536546

>>536268
Fuck people like your boss. You're not a slave. Doesn't matter if you all you have is a regular cold, there's no reason you should be exposing other co-workers to it.

No. 536561

>>536246
I don't think she's fat but it's probably the viral load that killed her - Being bombarded with virus particles over and over again due to her line of work

No. 536562

>>536247
Sanctions only punish citizens, not the government. That's why the US sanctions against countries like Iran is pointless (for more reason than one). Unless their point IS to punish the citizens, in that case mission accomplished.

No. 536564

>>536488
>no one else is hiring
What else can you do anon? Can you at least wear mask and gloves?

No. 536569

Which name do y’all use outside the Chan boards; Rona or Corona-chan?

No. 536570

>>536324
Initially, weren't the majority of deaths in China in Wuhan? Pollution was so bad there that before this "outbreak" happened, the citizens were protesting over it. Who knows how many people died from the pollution, but since it wasn't corona it didn't make national news.

No. 536571

>>536569
these last few weeks i tend to use >the fucking virus
or some variation of profanities in relation

No. 536573

>>536195
>The whole government proved to us that they're absolute dumbasses in managing this crisis,
You make it sound like their incompetence comes as a surprise to you? I've seen too many people abandon their common sense and critical thinking in favor of letting government think for them. Then there's all the propaganda in the news that they easily swallow for the same reason.

No. 536576

>>536573

Let's say that I was expecting them to be incompetent but not this incompetent. That's a whole new level of incompetence that our government have shown to us, so yeah, I admit that I'm slightly surprised. Tragic

No. 536583

>>536232
>they think they are above the law
Do they? I remember there was a Jewish community (Hasidic I believe) in NY that were taking Cuomo to court over mandatory vaccination, I think it was for measles? Because nothing says democracy like taking away your right to bodily autonomy. An unjust law is no law at all.

No. 536588

>>536583
people like you need to be set adrift on an ice floe. if you don't want to live in a society that prioritizes the welfare of most, and the most vulnerable, exile yourself. the literal same hasidic jews also fought tooth and nail against child marriage laws. like they give a fuck about bodily autonomy.

No. 536590

>>536220
what do you mean anon? I'm jewish and most jews I know are going to online services, it's christians who keep going to walmart and holding services with hundreds of people

No. 536591

>>536588
>like they give a fuck about bodily autonomy.
Hasidics are also almost always extremely prolife. Like "no exceptions even if the woman will die" level prolife. So yeah, they are not concerned with bodily autonomy.

>>536590
Yeah, just look at the whole Liberty University scandal and how the idiot pastor got arrested for still holding sermons because he refuses to believe COVID19 is actually serious.

No. 536595

>>536590
nta and christians are a huge, huge problem, but the hasidic jews are still holding weddings and large funerals, there's a huge cluster amongst orthodox jews in nyc and it's spreading 8x higher in hasidic communities in israel because they won't stop gathering or being in close quarters with many people. i wouldn't say they're a larger threat wrt corona than the christians, but they are being stupid. there are way, way more christians and so many of them are so casually stupid, so they're a larger problem, but hasidic jews need to stop, even for the sake of their own protection. there will be huge racist backlash if they don't, and all jewish people will probably suffer the racist consequences of it too.

No. 536598

Tried to tell my mom that she should stop going out to get fast food and snacks and shit at the gas station but she blew up at me over the phone. Shit sucks because shes already on an immuno suppresant and still recovering from a nasty bronchial infection that she contracted over a month ago. Anyone else having issues with family and friends not taking this seriously? I've kind of just started adapting to an "if you dont care I dont care" attitude.

No. 536605

>>536583
measles is like 10x more contagious than covid so i'm not sure why you think that's unjust?

No. 536607

>>536598
my mom is also immunosuppressant and travelled to portland like last week. she was pissed when i wouldnt let her in my house. learning a whole lot about people's true selves during this and how much they don't care about others.

No. 536608

Timeline of South Korea and the US

Basically, the US is less than 3rd world tier becuase even African countries have been doing temperature screenings at airports while nothing is being done here.

No. 536610

>>536608
Temperature Checks and Lockdown on Lagos, Nigeria.

No. 536615

>>536608
So many countries are caught with their pants down because they have not dealt with infectious diseases on home turf in a very, very long time

No. 536616

>>536588
No one here's condoning child marriage ffs. The point is the broader topic of bodily autonomy. Forced vaccination is medical tyranny, which apparently you're in support of.
>if you don't want to live in a society that prioritizes the welfare of most, and the most vulnerable, exile yourself.
Being against tyranny =/= not prioritizing the most vulnerable. Nice try.

No. 536617

>>536610
This sounds a lot like what China is doing. I don't know why so many countries seem to be in a hurry to emulate the CCP.

No. 536622

>>536605
You think forcing someone to get medical treatment against their will is ok? How many people die of measles every year? There was a generation that dealt with measles w/o a vaccine and they said they remember it as a common childhood disease that everyone went through and there was no fear or hysteria surrounding it.

No. 536623

>>536617
>a hurry to emulate the CCP.

Becuase it was fucking effective? Force people to stay home, because suggesting it does nothing.
I look out my goddamn window everyday and my fucking neighbors are partying and having friends and family visit. Thank god my parents aren't retarded and have been limiting contact and even told my cousins not to come over because they tried it a day ago.

Everything would be perfect, unfortunately my mom is an ICU nurse, so I pray for her safety everyday, but I can't help but feel angry at stupid people like my neighbors who might get sick and spread the shit to my mom risking her life. And they're literally picking and choosing who is dying at this point in bigger hospitals. It's getting ugly.

No. 536629

>>536623
Force people to stay at home because their body temperature is a little higher than normal? And they're using a machine that we have no idea what its accuracy even is? You do know an elevated body temp can be caused by many different things, not just illness. I'm not against reasonable precautions but if you think copying the CCP is a good idea you know nothing about the CCP, anon.

I'm sorry you worry for your mom and I hope she stays safe. I read about shortages in medical supplies (who's in charge of this?) and workers aren't getting everything they need, don't feel safe, some are even protesting because of it. Maybe these institutions should prioritize getting their shit together.

No. 536630

>>536569
corona-chan around nerds who I figure will find it funny; "the rona" or "beer disease" everywhere else.

No. 536632

>>536610
The Nigerian guy has terrible audio and I can't understand a thing he said. That's crazy they're temperature checking people as they're driving or walking on the road?? WTF is that supposed to do? Makes no sense at all. Let's all bend over and do as we're told i guess.

Slippery slope.

No. 536637

>>536629
Better to stay home then to roam around. Asymptomatic people exist. You want them to do nothing till shit hits the fan even more. They're being proactive, rather than reactive, like the US.

>>536632
Pray that the retarded boomer that walks past you in the grocery store doesn't cough in your direction. Makes sense to have some system in place than to have a low IQ President say nothing is happening, send your extra PPE equipment to CHINA and then tell govorners they are whinny when people are dying when it should be avoidable in a supposedly 1st world country like the US.

No. 536638

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>>536288
>How is this even allowed?
Speaking from my experience as an Amerifag, there's a history of employers treating their employees like dirt here. I've seen SOME change but it's not enough. Even Amazon warehouse workers were protesting because they didn't feel they were allowed adequate protection. One of guys who led the protests was fired, unsurprisingly.

No. 536641

>>536607
>>536607
Its bizarre how cavalier some people are about the whole situation. Its almost like they dont think it will effect them. Good on you for standing your ground though. I'm sure these next few weeks will be pretty eye opening for a lot of americans.

No. 536643

>>536638
Yep, those that are in charge are shitty health / hospital care administartors that fuck over doctors and nurses telling them to GO INTO ROOMS with no PPE, while they all sit at home with millions in their fucking pockets, threatening and gaslighting them.

No. 536646

>>536569
covid……bc its fucking weird to assign a cute nickname to a killy disease

No. 536647

>>536637
> Asymptomatic people exist.
Yes anyone could have it, so wear masks, wear gloves, wash your hands. What ARE these temperature checks supposed to do when as anon said >>536629 a higher than normal temperature can be caused by so many different things that have nothing to do with illness? What they're doing doesn't sound preventative, it sounds ridiculous because it is.

No. 536656

>>536647
>What ARE these temperature checks supposed to do
Well, if any number of things unrelated to illness can cause a rise in temperature, it sounds like the governments implementing this are retarded. A retarded government, I never thought I'd live to see the day.

No. 536662

>>536629
>>536637
>China's great because they're doing something
Don't coof or it's off to the gulag with you! Sorry I meant re-education sleepover.

No. 536664

The US is fucked. I moved 3 years ago because my husband took work overseas and the country we're in hasn't handled this perfectly but we've been in lockdown for about 3 weeks. The rate of infection has been slowing down finally, and just watching the numbers skyrocket in the US daily and just knowing how completely fucked the healthcare system is there is making me so anxious for my family and friends. Most of my friends have either very bad insurance or none at all. I know I need to stop obsessively scrolling through US news because there is nothing I can do and all it's doing is putting me on the brink of a panic attack but I can't. I hope this is a fucking wake up call for the idiot voters in the US if they don't all die first.

No. 536667

>>536664
sorry anon, apparently the US is perfectly fine and every other country taking some sort of precaution is stupid, see the posts above you. Just pray that retards don't get near you and your family. There will never be a wakeup call for America. After all these people die and trucks are filled with bodies, people will go back to their stupid ways.

No. 536668

>>536664
I can count on the news being full of shit at least 80-90% of the time, which is why I hardly watch it anymore. The truth is usually found somewhere in between the lines.

No. 536669

>>536667
Who's promoting government inaction? There is such a thing as government overreach, and it is a slippery slope. Do you not remember Nazi Germany? Why are some people so hung up on relying on the goverment anyway? They should be taking care of themselves and looking out for their own communities. Counting on Big Daddy government to help you when SHTF is like waiting for a shark to change its mind about eating you.

No. 536674

>>536669
The government is supposed to be responsible for hospitals and society to FUNCTION. Hospitals FUNCTION TO HELP SOCIETY. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

Heh, no wonder America was guarenteed to be fucked… We were fucked from the beginning.

No. 536675

>>536674
Right, and if it's not doing that then people have to take matters into their own hands and help each other. This isn't rocket science here.

People were arguing before about America being fucked because the healthcare SYSTEM has been shite for many years, case in point: The 3rd leading cause of death in America is medical malpractice, that's from a John's Hopkins study. Bless all the people in that system who work hard, have a heart for people and sacrifice for others, but the system they work in is garbage.

No. 536684

>>536598
Does she mask up when she goes out or no? Everyone I know is taking reasonable precautions but we're not having conniptions over it. Stress and worry are detrimental to your immune system. Also if she has a compromised immune system she probably should avoid the fast food lol.

No. 536694

>>536684
No mask, she says she doesn't want to look "stupid". She also told me she hasnt touched the hand sanitizer I gave her to put in her car. Her excuse for going out to get fast food is she needs to "support restaurants" right now. I explained to her that if that's so, she should support local places, not big chains that cant even be assed to give their employees hazard pay. I tried talking to my siblings to see if they could get through to her but neither of them see a problem with her behavior. It doesn't help either that we're in one of the 11 states that's not on lockdown. I've come to accept that its out of my hands. Shes an adult and at the end of the day she can decide what to do with her body.

No. 536695

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>>536588
>if you don't want to live in a society that prioritizes the welfare of most, and the most vulnerable, exile yourself
You first. Oh but fuck that 1 year old, right? If you want to be that "1 in a million", be my guest. It's still unconscionable to force anyone into those circumstances saying "well it's a small price/risk to pay". Everyone should have the right to choose whether or not they want to incur the risk.
https://www.mctlaw.com/101-million-dollar-vaccine-injury-mmr/

No. 536705

>>536695
Can you please take your medical malpractice/“Remember the Nazis?????”/anti-vax stuff to another thread.
The rest of us are here to freak out about the coronavirus.

No. 536709

>>536481
Lol just tell them you had a friend help you out. Lie for the greater good.

No. 536715

>>536576
Your government is a business that calls itself a democracy because the workers elect managers, managers who were selected by the bosses that you’re told don’t exist

No. 536718

File: 1586055851129.png (474.15 KB, 1325x1061, Coof Gestapo. Slippery Slope.p…)

>>536610
>>536617
Totalitarian tiptoe
>>536674
Since the government's fucking up so spectacularly I can't fathom why anyone would place any reasonable amount of trust in it. This coof really has some people so scared shitless they're snitching on each other. Too much Nazi Germany vibes, but it's okay because fear? Stop being too afraid to think.
https://apnews.com/343ed4a8e95dfc8f8dda87b9e450ca57

No. 536719

>>536595
Love how some anons are blaming the christians for gathering while others are blaming the Jews for gathering. Almost like callous disregard for others doesn’t discriminate? Almost like religion has little to do with how much of an asshole you’re willing to be to get what you want?

No. 536728

>>536718
"See Something, Say Something."
Sieg Heil.

No. 536729


No. 536731

>>536674
>>536675
My heart is breaking for Americans in healthcare right now especially, and everyone just trying to stay safe and healthy in the middle of this shit. You guys are well and truly fucked by an infrastructure that was GUARANTEED to fail in a scenario like this. The average citizen is absolutely powerless right now.

No. 536732

Little update on my condition. Im a few days shy of 3 weeks since I was likely infected. I have been at home since that tuesday and have had chest pressure and a slight dry cough since that Saturday. So today marked 2 weeks and next saturday will be 3 weeks since my symptoms showed up. Which gives me hope this will be over soon. For the most part I still only have chest pressure HOWEVER the last couple of days have been a little rougher. I have the pain in my ribcage and under my breast. Its the kind you get when you've eaten way too much of a fried or greasy food. Or when you have severe indigestion or as some people have compared to, gas. It comes and goes but its definitely scary because you dont know if its your heart when its happening. I can still breathe but at some point the pressure gets so intense I have to lay down. Using vapor rub, even just smelling it inside the container does help you feel your nasal passages are cleared if you start to almost feel like you cant breathe. I havent lost my breath at all but the pressure building can be so intense that it almost makes me feel Im about to. Its almost like a suffocation kind of feel, like if you stay under blankets for too long.
I also am having shoulder pains, where it almost feels as if there is pressure on them as well, like someone sitting on my shoulders. Other than that, no migraines, no fever, no loss of taste and smell. Not even really a cough. I just feel I have to try really hard to clear my throat sometimes. Still just drinking hot tea and taking hot showers, cooking things with a lot of steam. Im probably going to order a humidifier or face steamer but I am feeling it will be too late for that as hopefully this is going to blow over soon.
Hang in there anons, and keep updating with your symptoms if you can. Everyone is reacting to this differently so its good to see the range from person to person.

No. 536739

>>536719
um, these specific branches of these religions cultivate the worst traits in people though? if these retards weren't sucked into ultra conservative religions these traits wouldn't be as well-fed. they literally encourage the suspension of common sense and real selflessness

No. 536740

>>536125
>there's no antibody testing, therefore no accurate diagnoses
>>536125
>I don't believe there's just ONE THING causing all of this.
If a man were decapitated in a car wreck and they found Covid19 in his blood, I've no doubt he'd be counted in the doom death tally. That's where we're at right now.

No. 536741

>>536731
The entire global economy's fucked unless someone with brains decides to enact some rational policy.

No. 536748

>>536718
This is rational thinking defeating hysteria:

Some coofer in my neighborhood got on sm to bitch about how some guy was selling a motorcycle or something similar that entailed people from outside the neighborhood come in to see it. She was riled up over how this was "bringing in potential germ carriers" to make her and her elderly husband sick. She recommended closing access to people outside the community.

To their credit, neighbors criticized her about how ridiculous she was being. Many pointed out that some people coming in from outside were taking care of elderly parents and relatives. Others said maybe the guy selling the motorcycle lost his job and needed the money. The best were the ones who told her to mind her own fucking business, stay home herself, and not worry about what other people were doing.

No. 536759

>>536718
>>536748
I don't get why some people are so accepting of snitch culture, it's like they know nothing of history. Mind you, there's a huge difference between leaving someone alone in their private residence or even their private business, versus calling the cops on some asshole because you saw them at the store licking the icecream and putting it back.

No. 536769

>>536739
Ah, the ol chicken coming before the egg debate

No. 536770

To all those shaming your neighbours for not complying with guidepines: Do you guys think that people would be as nonchalant about getting infected if we had a pandemic of ebola or some such extremely lethal shit? I highly doubt it.

Fact is, this disease is not that big of a problem for the individual, and people know it. It is a huge problem for the medical system which will get overwhelmed so we need to flatten the curve.

So direct your energy towards the thing that will fix this. Don't snitch on your neighbours like an idiot. Take steps to build a better healthcare system that can handle a public healh crisis of this type.

No. 536771

>>536770
Sorry but this is bullshit. My neighbors have had new people over everyday and while I'm not about to snitch on them , I have the right to be annoyed. Not only do I have to hear them screaming like hicks all day while I have no where to escape the audible hell 2 feet away, they are people who will be going into work Monday and highering the chance of giving their coworkers the virus because they decided to visit 5+ people that weekend who then themselves decided to go visit another 5+ people. Some people actually value the lives of their neighbors and loved ones who are over the age of 50.

No. 536772

>>536771
Move out of the city if you can't handle neighbours.

No. 536774

>>536772
Wow you're hollow headed

No. 536779

>>536674
Anon please, the state is not everything, it can barely keep the roads functional. At least in 'merica that's the case.

No. 536781

The crux of the problem is not what individuals are doing, but how healthcare is unprepared.

If we focus on getting individuals in line, we have done nothing to prevent another crisis like this. We will ONLY avert it if our healthcare is prepared for it.

There will be another pandemic. Will we all have to stay put for months on end again and see the economy get ruined? Or will we have fixed our healthcare so that it has the capacity to deal with pandemics.

It's NOT Joe and Jane the neighbours' fault that hospitals are overwhelmed. It's the fault of those who are responsible for the healthcare system. They failed to plan for something that was certain to happen.

No. 536783

>>536770
>Take steps to build a better healthcare system that can handle a public healh crisis of this type.
You're right. I don't believe this virus is as dangerous as the media makes it out to be, and definitely not worthy of shutting down the whole world. Deaths are falsely being attributed to the virus - people have died from heart attacks or terminal cancer, the virus was blamed and death tolls tallied. Test results are unreliable and give false positives, it's a mess.
>>536771
I'm sorry you're having a hard time anon.

No. 536784

>>536770

It would be insane to do any major change in the healthcare structure in the middle of the fucking crisis. If you wanna be a selfish dumbass go ahead but don't try to claim any moral or rational high to reduce your guilt. Yes, after the peak of the crisis pass the whole world should sit and start working on pandemic managment and public health, but now? social distancing and preventing unnecessary risks is all the population can do. If you are in a place where the government gives a fuck go ahead and snitch in your nana's birthday party if you must

No. 536786

>>536732
>pain under ribcage like you get from eating greasy, fried food.
That's your pancreas anon. Might want to to go to the doctor and get a check up once all of this is over.
Glad to hear that your breathing isn't affected as badly as some peoples though! That's the scariest symptom for me. I keep on reading accounts of people not being able to breathe and not being able to get into the hospital unless their lips are turning blue. Keep on hanging in there! I'm glad that your symptoms aren't too severe. Thanks for the update and I hope you feel well soon!

No. 536790

File: 1586071976139.jpg (411.77 KB, 663x919, Las Vegas parking lot turned i…)

>>536305
>government doesn't give a shit about the poors.
See that's where you're wrong, anon. Now do as you're told and don't violate the COOF mandates, or else.


https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/las-vegas-parking-lot-turned-into-homeless-shelter-during-coronavirus-crisis/

No. 536793

>>536790
>"shelter"
>does not have a roof nor walls

Kek, "journalism". Where words are divorced from their meaning.

No. 536798

>>536784
This pretty much. A ground up restructure is both impractical and impossible in the middle of a crisis. The best policy is literally - as shown - to lockdown and slow the rate of infection and the rate that hospitals will be overwhelmed. It is really THAT simple. Flattening the curve is about making the amount of cases manageable for healthcare resources to cover safely, which will take months. Once that is done the rest can come after, which will be a political and financial nightmare, but it's beside the point at the moment. The countries dragging their feet because muh economy are just fucking themselves and they aren't going to have an infrastructure to recover at all at this rate.

No. 536804

>>536629
Yes, "a slightly higher temperature than normal" is fever, which is a symptom. Why is it so painful to at least stay home until your temperature is normal?
And temperature checking devices have been existing way before corona, don't try to pull the "b-but the tests don't matter, we know nothing!" shit on them.

>>536784
This. Who is supposed to overwhelm the medical system? Ghosts? No, it's mostly people who pretend to be deaf and blind.

No. 536810

>>536793
The parking lot can be used as a shelter without being a literal shelter, english can work that way sometimes.

No. 536813

>>536783
>I don't believe this virus is as dangerous as the media makes it out to be
I'm somewhere in between. I agree with this >>536131 that there are a lot of unknowns and things that aren't being accounted for. I see people have varying symptoms, generally the worst appear in elderly and immuno-compromised/pre-existing conditions individuals. These same groups are also vulnerable to disease in general. Practicing good hygiene and sanitation is a must.

I don't take the government or the media at face value, however. There's a lot of propaganda to wade through.

No. 536815

>>536810
>english can work that way sometimes
Yeah, when you want to mislead and obfuscate.

No. 536817

>>536804
I think you missed the point >>536647.

No. 536820

>>536810
LOL a shelter by definition gives you protection from the elements. A parking lot doesn't provide that, or rather sleeping openly in one as those poor souls are forced to do. That whole set up is 3rd world tier. The government should be embarrassed.

No. 536821

>>536748
>>535807
"Coofer" is used to describe the people who downplay and deny the virus and make up fake stories, not the ones who take precautions and worry about getting infected. At least use the right insults.

No. 536822

>>536817
If I did, explain how instead of linking to your own posts a thousand times. This isn't 4chan.

No. 536824

>>536822
It's not my post, and it did explain why you're wrong, you just refuse to read it or acknowledge it for obvious reasons. lol

No. 536826

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No. 536829

>>536821
>not the ones who take precautions and worry about getting infected.
Yeah it is, they didn't use the word wrong. Coof also has more than one meaning anon.

No. 536837

>>536259
i'm sorry but she is fucking fat. that isn't a little bit overweight she is obviously obese. are you from america

No. 536839

>>536820
>The government should be embarrassed
Yeah, they're usually much better at hiding their failure and incompetence. Sign of the times.

No. 536842

>>536829
Yes you did and it has no other meaning besides someone who coughs (and spreads their germs), which is not the ones who take the situation seriously.

No. 536844

>>536824
I think you missed the point >>536804
And I read it, that's why I'm asking for an explanation instead of just linking lazily. Our body temperatures vary, but fever is a symptom of illness and again why is it so painful to at least stay home until your temperature is normal?

No. 536861

>>536844
i agree here. my body temp was a bit high last week for 2 days because of my period getting ready, but i stayed home just in case.

No. 536868

>>536837
I'm sorry but you're a fucking sperg.

No. 536872

>>536837
ok she's fat then, stop shitting up the thread by repeating it over and over for more than a fucking day now. Obsessed with weight much?

No. 536877

>>536837
I think its the layers of protective clothing nurses put on

No. 536884

To the anons who got tested:
How did you get tested? Where did it happen? How long until you got the results?

No. 536885

>>536784
>>536798
Not only is it possible and preferable to change the healthcare infrastructure in the middle of this crisis, it is necessary and already happening.

In the US hospitals that treat uninsured patients will be reimbursed, something unimaginable before. Private and public hospitals started working together and sharing. Etc.

No. 536886

>>536569
Covfefe

No. 536943

>>536422
Sorry to hear it anon. What area are you in?

No. 536981

>>536732
Thanks for updating anon! If the pain is below your ribcage you probably don’t need to worry about it being your heart, but I understand your concern. Can you try to get a phone appointment with a doctor? That’s what I’ve been doing for the last three weeks.

No. 536989

>>536732
I’m actually concerned that you said it’s getting worse after all this time. Are you able to see a doctor? You may need antibiotics for a respiratory infection

No. 536996

I like to imagine "I can cook with covid-19's free time!" people look like this

No. 537012

>>536996
You make me want to confess my sorta-related sins.

I like to cook. I've been cooking a lot more during this lockdown. The problem is, I'm ana-chan. I feed all my food to my husband. He grows fatter while seeming to be oblivious to the fact that I eat very little. I get a lot of praise for how good my food is, and that is better than anything tastes imo. Send mental help.

No. 537030

>>536996
Damn it’s been so long since I see a Simple Sara video.

No. 537032

>>536790
>Practice social distancing!
>Don't Coof!
>Flatten the curve, SaVe LiVeS!
>Poors: forced to sleep practically on top of each other in an open parking lot

Nice hypocrisy.

Some parts of Nevada go down to the 30s at night. Anyone who thinks it's okay to treat human beings like this should neck rope immediately.

No. 537033

>>537012
What an annoying post.

No. 537035

>>536996
that's not a salad

that's a weird, nasty soup

No. 537037

>>536790
>>537032
No worries. I'm sure a health worker will be sent over with one of those nifty thermometers >>536610 to help them avoid the coof. Problem solved. kek

No. 537038

>>537012
This isn't the confession thread anon

> I get a lot of praise for how good my food is, and that is better than anything tastes imo. Send mental help


Doubt anybody cares given the seriousness of the actual topic being discussed on here

No. 537041

>>536790
But.. but what about all them poor celebs stuck in their mansions? The ones posting on twitter about the real issue here.. boredom!

No. 537042

>>536842
Ok coofer.

No. 537046

>>535842
>>536740
Someone sneezed as a bus ran them over dead while they were crossing the street. Another victim of corona chan.

No. 537048

>>536885
>In the US hospitals that treat uninsured patients will be reimbursed, something unimaginable before.
Interesting. Please provide sauce next time.

No. 537049

>>537038
NTA but shut up lmao go back to twitter or wherever the fuck you came from

No. 537056

>>536996
her videos always make me so hungry. not because what she's making is appetizing but because suddenly the cravings I've been suppressing don't seem so bad for me anymore.

No. 537057

>>537049
Yeah lets hear more about anons anorexia and how hard that is, in the corona thread.. such self awareness.

No. 537060

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>>537042
You're trying so hard.. One day you'll get that memespeak, I believe in you. Keep practicing and do your best.

No. 537062

Really wish that I had gone to the doc sooner over a pre-existing problem. I get this intense heat/flushing in my face every evening like clockwork. No idea what it is but google suggests everything from rosacea to early menopause to an immune system disorder.

Thing is this happens every evening and now I don't know if I'm feverish or having my usual hot flush type episode. I don't have a thermometer in the house to check actual temp but I'm bright red and radiating heat.

No. 537063

Boris Johnson was admitted to hospital

No. 537065

>>537063
great news for you guys. i don't think this is a testament to its strength. he has always looked terrifically unhealthy. they're claiming it's 'precautionary' and not an emergency admission. think that's a load of shit and a cover up?

No. 537106

>>537065
Me too, the hospitals are under so much strain and so many people have likely been infected they don’t admit people as a ‘precaution’, having a fever for an extended amount of time isn’t a good sign

No. 537113

>>536790
Meanwhile, hundreds of hotels and houses sit empty.

No. 537120

>>537012
get a grip.

No. 537137

File: 1586127754923.png (4.42 KB, 585x42, sure laura.png)

>>537065
You can always judge a Boris Johnson situation by how quickly Laura Kuenssberg jumps to do his PR.

No. 537157

Abe is going to declare the state of emergency today. Which means they will "request" everybody stays inside but they can't enforce it.

No. 537158

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No. 537160

>>537063
He'll probably pull a Prince Charles and pull through fine, that faggot didn't get admitted to the hospital though. Anyway fuck them both.

No. 537168

Not sure how reliable this source is, but Russian newspaper RIA Novosti is citing a ‘high ranking NHS source’ to claim that Boris Johnson has been put on ventilator support

No. 537169

I'm working from home, I'm sneaky about it so I'm able to sleep in for ages and can do other stuff all day without getting caught. My bosses are bootleggers so I kinda don't give a fuck about it

No. 537170

>>537065
it's fine, he's building that high quality herd immunity

No. 537175

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/05/johnsons-hospital-admission-suggests-virus-may-have-progressed

What’s the point in downplaying the symptoms to the public as mild?(Imageboard )

No. 537177

>>537175

It sounds like second phase but ultimately they can talk it down in case he gets better because medical stuff is private for everyone.

No. 537178

>>537175
To be fair, WHO has been very generous in their classification for the mild disease stage. They also count cases with pneumonia as mild.

No. 537179

>>537175

Apparently 10 ten it's when things can start to get dangerous. We'll see

No. 537180

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Double post, wanted to post this

No. 537197

>>537180
Hmm.. Today would have been day 10

No. 537204

>>535839
A headline trending on twitter right now is talking about how people feel that the pandemic is improving their depression because its making them appreciate what they have and "not to take the little things for granted". This pandemic has not improved my depression at all (Hasn't made it worse really but that's not the point) and these headlines are pushing the narrative that depression is a choice and that all we have to do is be more appreciative.

No. 537209

>>537204
it has made me accept/not fear death tbh

No. 537212

>>537204
Since my depression is more circumstantial, well I have that in my favor. I'm not as overwhelmed, since I started working from home I'm a lot less stressed and I feel like I'm saving money instead of hemorrhaging it on gas and food and makeup in order to go in. Some friends keep in touch but I don't mind getting less attention, I've come to accept over the past few years that most people annoy me. I enjoy my own company. I'm a little sad that I don't have someone I can be close to romantically during this crisis, but on the other hand I've heard of relationships undergoing severe strain and other single people are in the same boat as me so I don't feel alone in this.

I only speak for myself though.

No. 537219

>>536076
I still appreciate the concern anon, I was just stressed and had an all-out breakdown the night I posted this. Got tested and thankfully I’m negative. They had to re-do my test because my first swab fell on the ground, and the second time my nose was so irritated I coughed on the poor nurse’s face. I had symptoms start Friday but I think I’ve been so neurotic I just willed myself into having them.

Basically I’ve been told that construction is happening whether I like it or not, and since I’ve tested negative I’m just going to stay with my boyfriend for a bit. Would really much rather stay in my own home during this but fuck me I guess. My mom said it would only take them another week and a half but I think it’s just bullshit to placate me.

No. 537224

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No. 537229

>>537204
My mom is like this too… every time I mention not doing well or having major anxiety she tells me I need to be grateful. I am grateful. I know I'm lucky in my situation. But that doesn't stop my mental illness from acting up.

No. 537232


No. 537234

>>537204
I'm glad that people are starting to get a bit more humble/less entitled, but it's not helping me at all. I've always struggled with isolation and having to be alone and jobless for the next month or so is starting to take it's toll on me. If this is what an average neet is like then no wonder they're so fucked up

No. 537239

>>536781
Goddamn anon, PREACH

No. 537240

>>537160
They both get the royal treatment

No. 537244

File: 1586154152709.jpg (39.57 KB, 684x499, flat,800x800,075,f.jpg)

Despite promising myself it wouldn't happen my sleep schedule's already flipped to nocturnal. I see no reason to try to change it back for now though.

>>537224
At first it was mostly domestic cats who were showing symptoms of the illness but now the bigger cats are getting it too. I wonder why cats are so susceptible to it compared to other animals?

No. 537257

>>537244
fuck, this is horrible. they were already killing animals before, lots of dogs too, when there wasn't reason to really suspect dogs were getting it and spreading it. there are so many strays, outdoor-indoors and ferals that are going to be seriously impacted by this if retards think they can get it from cats, which i'm sure they'll definitely assume now. god i hate people.

No. 537263

New predictions on how long this will last? I read recently that deaths have been on the decrease,so…end of April maybe?

No. 537264

So we're being told that several tigers caught it from zoo staff but somehow animals can't pass it back to people. How could that be?

No. 537266

>>537263
no way. Deaths have not been on a decrease, maybe in your area but not everywhere. There's no way we are going to have 0 deaths and 0 cases in 24 days ANYWHERE.

No. 537269

Opens a whole new world of corona opportunity if it has the ability to spread through pets and wildlife and back to us again. Brings back memories of when I was a kid and cows were being mass slaughtered over foot and mouth disease

>>537263
I don't think the rest of 2020 will be normal, maybe even an improvement in summer and return of outbreaks in winter. Just guessing

No. 537272

If we lock ourselves down for months only to find wildlife or strays have been carrying their own outbreaks of this all that time we're fucked in beating this thing.

I've seen other less serious outbreaks in my (western) country lead to many farm animals being killed. Small country but something like 6 million kills to halt the spread of something nowhere near as serious as this. Hoping we don't end up finding it in many more animals.

No. 537291

>>537263
Doctors predict it will come back in the Winter. This might end up becoming the new normal.

No. 537292

>>536246

Surely no one is this much of an asshole. Right?

No. 537293

>>537272

Define 'beating' it, though. Eventually we'll probably get Boris' initial plan of herd immunity after everyone who could die of it is dead.

No. 537297

>>537293
Don't viruses mutate when they spread across different species? Couldn't we be dealing with a whole new and more virulent strain of this next year if that happens?

That's my biggest worry anyway, a constantly changing strain like how regular flu can infect us over and over again because the strain changes

No. 537298

>>537293
Immunity for coronaviruses in humans typically only lasts for months so it will come back every year like the flu most likely in the winter

No. 537299

>>537297
Viruses mutate every time they replicate themselves, so they mutate constantly

No. 537313

>>537299
not necessarily true, some viruses have never mutated because they never needed to.

No. 537317

>>537313
I have never heard of any viruses that don't mutate? The enzyme which codes viral genomic material makes mistakes every time it transcribes from my understanding, I'm just a med student though.

No. 537322

>>537317
It doesn’t happen every time, just randomly. Sometimes the mutations don’t have any effect on how the virus operates/destroys host cells, and sometimes they do. Viruses can mutate but still be spread/infected in the same way and affect humans in the same way.

No. 537324

More explanations

No. 537331

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>>537322
From my understanding viral mRNA makes more mistakes than human mRNA so every-time it replicates its genome some mutation takes place, I'm not saying these mutations necessarily cause large changes in the phenotype but the genotype changes? Also this varies a lot depending on the type of virus.

This is what it said in Fields virology about it, tbh I still don't 100% understand
"Both DNA and RNA viruses undergo spontaneous muta- tion; however, the spontaneous mutation rate in RNA viruses is usually much higher than in DNA viruses. In general, the mutation rate at a specific site in different DNA viruses ranges from 10^−8 to 10^−11 per replication, whereas in RNA viruses it is at least hundred-fold higher, between 10^−3 and 10^−6 per replication. The difference in mutation rate observed between RNA and DNA viruses is thought to result primarily from differences in the replication enzymes. Specifically, the DNA- dependent DNA polymerases used by DNA viruses contain a proofreading function, whereas the reverse transcriptases used by retroviruses and RNA-dependent RNA polymerases used by RNA viruses lack a proofreading function. The difference in spontaneous mutation rate has profound consequences for both the biology of the viruses and for laboratory genetic analysis of viruses. Specifically, RNA viruses exist in nature as quasispecies —that is, populations of virus variants in relative equilibrium with the environment but capable of swift adapta- tion owing to a high spontaneous mutation rate (Chapter 11). Conversely, DNA viruses are genetically more stable but less adaptable. In the laboratory, the high mutation rate in RNA viruses presents difficulties in routine genetic analysis because mutants easily revert to wild-type virus that can outgrow the mutant virus."

No. 537343

>>537331
From my understanding viral genomic replication enzymes make more mistakes than human ones so every-time viruses replicate some mutation takes place, I'm not saying these mutations necessarily cause large changes in the phenotype but the genotype changes? Also this varies a lot depending on the type of virus.

-Samefag - tried to edit my above comment to be more accurate*

No. 537350

>>537298

By months you mean 24+ months, right?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851497/#!po=50.0000

But yeah who knows anything for sure. Maybe ebola 2.0 will appear within 2 years or a super volcano will erupt. Doom is easy.

No. 537361

Are there any anons from Sweden? How do you feel about the governments approach? Personally I wish I was in Sweden rn

No. 537365

>>537361
Not a swede but curious as to why you'd wanna be in sweden rn?

No. 537368

>>537361
I feel worried that it isn't the best approach since other countries's regulations are harsher. At the same time, no one knows what is the best.

No. 537371

>>537350
Yeah I knew it could be up to 2 years but I couldn't be bothered looking up actual statistics so I said months to be lazy, I just heard a podcast about it the other day on this week in virology I think where they talked about human immunity to coronaviruses.

No. 537379

>>537361
I’m in the UK and we were /herd/ for a while before pussying out. Sweden has it right. These social distancing measures can’t last for ever and the moment they are lifted even slightly, the infection rate is going to soar anyway. That being said, I’m being a good girl and keeping to gov rules.

No. 537385

>>537379
disgree. we're only distancing for the time being until we get it under control. the virus will be part of our lives soon enough, but right now we have no way to contain it and it affects so many random people rather than just old people.

No. 537390

>>535839
How is everybody doing in here?
Just like everyone in here probably, i'm in my mid 20's after finally getting myself on hold of society before getting furloughed several months into my job. Savings is enough for 1 and half months more until i would have to return back to parent's place. In which, they were running a successful small to mid business that got hit majorly with this. I can tell you this because we are upper middle class and we got the economic damage RIGHT NOW and it is about to reach the rest of people. I knew that they survived 2008 quite sensibly and i'm afraid to tell you guys that i've never seen them in this much financial turmoil than right now and is planning on a massive layoff in about several weeks from now. I am lucky to have my safety net in terms of family wealth but i cant say much about the rest of you.

How can we prepare for an impending major blow to economy? I'm honestly scared that this is not even the end. What if we enter a ww3 after this?

No. 537399

>>537379
>>537361
agree. this pseudo police state and inability to take 2 govt mandated walks a day is driving me bit insane. plus like it truly is a dead end, either they extend lock down again and again wasting more and more of gubmints resources or lift it and have 500k dead pensioners in under a week.

No. 537401

>>537390
I'm fortunate enough to still be getting paid/working, and my fiance has enough money to keep us afloat for a good few years (our rent is already paid for the year anyway). Worst comes to worst, my dad's business is still doing well and I could move in with him.

As for preparing for the economy, idk, I probably should save more.

>>537291
I'd rather have a few months of freedom in the summer and then hibernate in the winter. It doesn't sound so bad, considering.

No. 537405

>>537390
This just feels like even more of a major blow to an already unequal economy. I know a lot of younger people in hospitality/retail who are completely out of work and lost their health insurance. It especially sucks for people emerging in the workforce who have shitty, unreliable families.

No. 537413

>>537291
Its not even going away in the summer though…why are people still saying this is a cold weather only virus? Its been confirmed to not be true.

No. 537446

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UK PM Boris Johnson is in intensive care…

No. 537451

>>536861
>my body temp was a bit high last week for 2 days because of my period getting ready
>>536804
>"a slightly higher temperature than normal" is fever
>>536844
>fever is a symptom of illness

Not always, no.

I know the fear/paranoia is disabling some peoples ability to think properly so I'll put this in simple terms: Is there something about fever/elevated body temperature can be caused by things unrelated to illness that you don't understand? I'm not going to stay home if I feel a little unwell when i've got things to do. I know what a flu is and what its symptoms are, and would stay home if I had it.

I know some people are out of their minds paranoid because they think if they get a little fever it's gotta be the corona, but flu symptoms are very specific.

Checking people's body temperature in public and especially without their consent, is retarded, Orwellian and does absolutely nothing to help anyone.

No. 537453

>>537446

This had better just be precautionary because he's the PM.

R-right guys?

No. 537456

>>536781
>If we focus on getting individuals in line, we have done nothing to prevent another crisis like this.
>There will be another pandemic. Will we all have to stay put for months on end again and see the economy get ruined?

That's their plan, anon to do this in waves. This putting the hammer down on individuals isn't an accident. Meanwhile, the system stays just as cucked as it ever was.

No. 537460

>>537175
Symptoms vary among different people. Some people do have mild symptoms, others don't.

No. 537461

>>537453
Hard to say. I work in ITU and all the covid patients are being moved to us if a normal ward can’t meet their needs, eg if their condition isn’t getting better from normal oxygen and they run a real risk of crashing. They will be being more cautious with him obviously, but he wouldn’t have been moved unless they had a significant indication to do so

No. 537465

>>537451
are you dumb? i always get fever a few days before my period because of hormones. that doesn't mean i am sick.

No. 537466

>>537405
>This just feels like even more of a major blow to an already unequal economy.
Right. The economy wasn't exactly doing great before all this started. This is just another domino.

No. 537468

>>537465
>that doesn't mean i am sick.
Yes anon, that was my point.

No. 537475

>>537232
>reimburse hospitals for treating uninsured coronavirus patients using stimulus funds
I was going to say I wonder how long those funds will last, but they're constantly printing money out of thin air anyway. That's where they get their trillions for pointless war spending. It's the same with Wall Street getting $500 billion in daily magic Fed money.

No. 537476

>>537465
>>537468
That's kind of arrogant of you both, if you have a fever just stay in those days. You don't know for sure what is causing it, just stay in so you don't infect other people. Haven't you been reading that a lot of people are asymptomatic or show only mild signs like a slight fever? You can still spread it. Better to be safe than to infect someone and kill them.

No. 537479

>>537263
Do we even know how deaths are being counted? In Italy you have people dying as a result of pre-existing conditions but they just happened to have Corona (or in some cases aren't even tested) and they're counted as a corona death. It's not a leap to assume they're doing the same everywhere else. I don't think it's prudent to take the statistics at face value.

No. 537480

>>537476

Nta but not everyone has that option some of us have to work so we can eat and shop/get medication for family who are at risk, either that or we fucking starve, you may not have people relying on you but some people do, Its fucked

No. 537484

>>537476
>a lot of people are asymptomatic
Ok, that's why we wear masks, gloves and wash our hands. I'm not touching everyone and coughing on them.

There's a difference between taking reasonable precautions vs reacting out of fear and paranoia. Some countries are going batshit taking people's temperature in public, or citizens going Gestapo and telling on their neighbors to the nanny state because there were too many people in their backyard.

No. 537487

>>537480
I don't have the option either, anon. Don't assume things about other people? I work retail paycheck to paycheck also supporting other people. I'm still not going to go out if I know I have a fever. It's common sense at this point.

>>537484
I would think that staying in if you are showing the most common symptom of covid is taking a reasonable precaution, I'm not saying people should be stopped in the street. It's a bit weird to me that some of you are proudly saying you'll be leaving the house and going into public settings if you have a fever because you can tell you aren't sick because you just have a feeling you aren't.

No. 537504

>>537446
How to Britanons feel about this? I get the sense he's not that popular in the U.K.

No. 537534

>>537504

I don’t like him or his party (they’ve literally been hacking funds off of the health service for the past ten years ironically) but I don’t wish death upon him, seeing that he’s self admittedly obese and in his 50s I’m really not sure how his chances are but considering he’s the pm he’ll most definitely get a ventilator if needed

No. 537537

>>537534

I forgot to add he also had pneumonia as a child apparently damaged his lungs so that takes another few off of his survival chances

No. 537541

>>537537
Who gets put in charge if he kicks the bucket?

No. 537544

>>537487
>stay home if you have a fever because muh corona
Some of you might want to consider improving your reading comprehension.
>>537451
>Is there something about fever/elevated body temperature can be caused by things unrelated to illness that you don't understand?

No. 537546

Can someone please translate this to Spanish pls:

-Has a removable "filter" made from fabric interfacing
-Filter is optional but adds a layer of protection
-Completely washable- use hottest water possible, seperate filter from mask
-DO NOT use fabric softener- use 1/2 cup distilled vinegar added to wash instead
-Store in clean plastic bag when not in use!
-Recommended to wash hands before putting on mask and before taking off

No. 537548

>>537541
Dominic Raab, our Foreign Secretary. An absolute scumlord. Makes Bojo look like a puppy dog.

No. 537549

>>537541

Dominic Raab current uk foreign sec I believe

No. 537554

>>537475
>daily magic Fed money
I wonder how the people who've lost their homes to medical bankruptcy feel about that? Trillions for the corps/banks, $1200 for the sheep and a massive tax bill coming.

No. 537557

>>537548

To add to this he’s sexually harassed women he’s worked with and he also lies to try to make his Opinions sound factual like when he claimed that Immigration was putting the uk housing prices up when asked for evidence he provided some out of date study of a simulation of a possibility or something along those lines, then we he was called out for it he doubled down about it being because of immigrants

No. 537580

>>537390
I’m about to be massively fucked. I’m in NYC and got laid off last month. I have maybe $1000 after paying April rent but beyond that waiting on unemployment to kick in. The process of filing for unemployment was a terror in itself, the website shut down and it took literally 300 calls over one week to actually speak to someone to START setting things up. No clue when I’ll start getting anything from the gov. Feeling pretty numb upon thinking that there are millions of people dealing with this aspect of this situation, plus the obvious,ya know, growing number of bodies. They have mobile morgues, basically big freezers, outside of all the hospitals and they’re rapidly filling. I live with my bf who’s still got a job so while he’s at work I alternate between panic and and depression. Fucked up times we’re living in.

No. 537582

>>537390
Not panicked because I have a few grand in my bank, but upset because that could deplete rapidly if my employer decides to not renew my contract at the beginning of May. If not for this virus, I was going to use that money to pay off an entire credit card. It was close to $4k so it was a big deal to me to have that gone so I could work on my other debt, and maybe eventually have a true savings! But I'd be a fool to give my money to a credit card company now.
I just bought a new car so I have that payment looming over me as well. I wouldn't be able to afford being unemployed, I'd have to work until coronavirus keeled me over in the hospital with my uninsured ass.

No. 537616

>>537062
Do you take a niacin supplement?

No. 537656

>>537546

-Tiene un filtro removible hecho de tela entremedio de las capas.
-El filtro es opcional pero agrega una capa más de protección
-Completamente lavable- usar el agua más caliente posible, separar el filtro del barbijo/tapaboca/mascarilla*
-NO USAR suavizante de ropa- en su lugar usar 1/2 taza de vinagre destilado en el lavado
-Almacenar en una bolsa de plástico limpia cuando no esté en uso!
-Es recomendado lavarse las manos antes de usar el barbijo/tapaboca/mascarilla y después de retirarselo.

*face mask can be translated to any of these terms. They are essentially interchangeable but they also might depend on the region. Hope it helps anon

No. 537672

>>537580
Also NYC here and got laid off as well. Trying to file for unemployment was a nightmare and a half. The site kept crashing or just not loading, so I kept having to redo everything several times. The phone number gave me an automated message and then hung up after 20 seconds.

No. 537714

>>537451
Why are you even here? We get it, everyone is paranoid, it's just a flu, you are a god who can't get it and everyone but you is responsible for stopping the spread. You've been fat-writing yourself into a fit for 3+ threads now, give it a rest.

No. 537722

>>537714
She's here to talk with me.
I found her input to be valuable.
You may not like or care for what she's saying, but others do, and I don't appreciate you trying to shoo her away.

No. 537724

>>537656
Tysm anon! This is super helpful!!

No. 537740

>>537504
not a fan of his politics or his cabinet really, didn't vote for him, but I feel bad for him and hope he recovers quickly, his fiancée is pregnant and self-isolating for symptoms, everything is on crazymode, and the country could do without the additional chaos of having to replace key figures right now

No. 537769

>>537534
>>537740
Aren't Brits angry at him? He was joking about the severity of it, proudly shaking hands and being okay with thousands of old people dying and now he's on an intensive care bed that might be needed by another, innocent person.
I personally don't wish death on him, but on the other hand I could also understand if others do, seeing as he was playing with your lifes.
Also he looks old af, how can he have a pregnant gf?

No. 537776

>>537769

Ragged, frayed old geezer sperm can still be viable - ask Grimes.

It would be ironic if Boris died of it but also horrific and in some ways increasing the problems of the country to lose someone who had the authority of winning a big majority during a crisis.

No. 537797

>>537769
it was irresponsible and negligent of him not to follow distancing advice, but i'm pretty sure he wouldn't be laughing about it now, and hopefully he serves as a cautionary tale to the british public, particularly those who have been flippant about distancing and safety, once he's out the spicy part and on the mend of course.

that being said, i'll be incredibly butthurt if the govt lift the lockdown rules too soon and we have a rapid second wave of cases. i don't think there's really a 'perfect' response to something like covid-19, but that would be disastrous and an enormous waste of all the efforts & resources we're putting in now

No. 537863

>>537672
Sorry to hear that, anon. Really. Even the nyc.gov website now has a notice saying like “sorry, too many ppl are applying, good luck!”. Hope we both come out of this okay.

No. 537901

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>1984 - Two Minutes of Hate
>2020 - Two Minutes of Applause

Many countries staged such clapping for healthcare workers, mine included. I don't participate.

Controlled outlets for the emotions of the masses creep me out.

Britfags, are you going to #ClapforBoris?

No. 537934

>>537263
In America, it will last the entire year. This is becuase only Urban / big city hotspots are following quarentines right now, the redder your state, the more lax they are, and they are too fucking stupid to put preventative measures now.

Enjoy your new normal Americans.
>>537446
This is what you all get for Brexit.

>>537451
Still going at it retard? Calm down and just understand that other countries are taking preventative measures while you call them dumb and not do anything till shit hits the fan (ie. America). Average standard body temperature is 98.6 degrees Celsicus, (37 degrees Farenheit) If you go up a few degrees you have fever symptoms. It's very simple.

No. 537936

Starting a job at Lowe's tomorrow; the new boss was bragging about how sales are better than ever and the store is always full of people. Fuck fuck fuck. I'm going to die. Why are people treating businesses that stay open like they are playgrounds to alleviate their boredom? Some of us have to fucking work and it's so scary having these giant crowds all of the time. They are only hiring me part time but I have to go in 5 days a week anyway so I'll be exposed almost daily. I have been debating not showing up but I guess things like rent, electricity and food are more important so off I go. I wish so much that people would stop crowding this shit. I actually heard someone say they like going there because there's nothing else to do and they need something to do during this shit. It's going to be hard to keep my composure at work right now, my last job I was just fired from they literally (after the pandemic was booming) starting having us work in tight knit groups to stock the shelves faster and I was practically having a panic attack going into work everyday knowing they were planning on putting us in groups of 10 at the end of the night, ten to a fucking aisle when normally we all have our own aisles and never interact. What the fuck is wrong with people, why are people so massively stupid? Also about to run out of toilet paper, water and healthy food. I can't for the life of me find any healthy cheap food anymore, no oatmeal, no beans, no rice. That freaks me out too, going out and not having healthy food anymore. Sorry for bitching, maybe I should post this in the rant thread instead. I'm scared to go into work tomorrow.

No. 537941

>>537936
Yep, shit like this is why it will stay in America for a while. While you are forced to work to put food on the table people are coming in and acting like it's a field day and just pretend it's a playground instead of getting what they fucking need an LEAVE.
Don't worry anon, hopefully it's just a "nothingburger" like the other anon said and you are just "paranoid" (lol, we are so fucked, but telling people to stay home is "Orewellian" apparently)

No. 537952

I'm on the verge of becoming homeless like most people during this because the stupid fucking president isn't waiving rent fees, car notes, etc forcing people to work and spread it and shit


I swear america is absolutely one of the dumbest countries on the planet, the vast majority of Americans aren't able to have doomsday bunkers or whatever else type of thing that requires shit tons of money, most of us live paycheck to paycheck, I honestly don't understand why hoarder homes aren't being raided

No. 537954

>>537722
you two could start a thread titled
>just a flu i'm not responsible for its spread it's not fever related to illness well ok i'm ill but can't stay in because i have things to dooo who cares if i kill someone yolo

No. 537970

>>537936
>the new boss was bragging about how sales are better than ever and the store is always full of people
At Walgreens I made a sign for listing all the products that are sold out, so people don’t have to come inside to ask about items we don’t have. The assistant manager told me not to use it because our sales are really high and even if we don’t have thermometers, sanitizer etc the people will still buy stuff if they come inside. It’s stupid how people like them are willing to keep putting people in danger to support their millionaire corporate overlords.

No. 537978

>>537451
>flu symptoms are very specific.
Yeah but Covid-19 symptoms aren't, dumbass. Half the problem is that it causes such a wide range of symptoms that the ONLY way to diagnose it reliably is with a lab test that takes time and costs money. If it caused a nice, regular set of symptoms like a distinctive rash or aches and pains it would be a lot easier to diagnose and contain.

Heck if you have oh so specific flu symptoms you probably have FLU, not Covid, it only causes flu-like symptoms in a minority of cases. But sure, go out with your fever (the only even vaguely consistent symptom) and be a super-spreader.

No. 537996

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52202700

This kind of thing makes me so anxious. I think people should follow social distancing but don’t see how this and the heavy handed policing is useful or ethical and seems to just be about control. I feel like if this lockdown ever ends it will be exploited horribly and it will have terrible implications for surveillance, personal freedom and human rights to movement and privacy.

No. 538009

>>537996
Where I live it has been 24 days without being allowed to take a walk.

No. 538011

What kind of retards go out with flu symptoms right now? Here we are told to stay the fuck in if you do have symptoms. I keep wondering if my weirdass chest tightness, high heart rate, nausea, lack of energy and no appetite was just stress or something else, either way shit's gone and i haven't left the house in weeks.

No. 538016

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Anyone else thinks PULL is being absolutely unbearable during Quarantine? Everyone is 200x more times whiny and bitchy and making everything a chance to virtue signal about muh corona.

I can't even enjoy my nasty little gossip habit anymore.

No. 538022

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-lockdown-sweden-scientist-response-gone-too-far-a9448026.html

How do UK anons feel about the lockdown? I think the government needs to start discussing potential exit strategies, even if they don’t think it’s time to begin actually enforce them yet

No. 538027

>>538016
The lvl of a logging and blind tard rage towards kenna rn is ridiculous, although i do think the road trip was kinda extra. Pull made even covid about how they are so opressed and better than all flakes kek

No. 538028

>>538022
I understand why the government is cautious in talking about anything apart from current quarantine, I think to be on the safe side that's what we should be focusing on right now (i'm in the medical field so I'm bias)

No. 538029

>>538022
Sweden just made changes in the law so politicians can make more severe restrictions. We might end up like the Uk too.

No. 538031

I work in a store and there's no shortage of customers still coming in with coughs. We do home delivery so that's an option if someones sick. Some people have an aversion to using the hand sanitiser provided at the door. Older men in particular just skip it, we have disposable gloves provided at our coffee machine and signs insisting they're worn while handling the machine and cup lids etc.. some just won't.

No. 538033

>>538029
lol no you won't. you're going after the norwegian model of response to covid-19. they also changed laws so they could make more restrictions but it never got to UK levels

No. 538036

>>538031
So many elderly people in supermarkets where I live, old couples shopping together, despite signs saying they should stay at home. Are they suicidal or what?

BTW French anons ITT - how are you coping with the restrictions?

No. 538038

>>538029
Stop with dramatics, you'll most likely have the same level of law tweaking as we have here in finland, bout time you did something.

No. 538044

>>538038
How is "might" dramatic? I'm glad that there will be more restrictions because a lot of people are really dumb about it and act like they usually do. Let's see just how much will change.

No. 538049

>>538036
Yeah I didn't want to really say it cos people might start the fuck-boomers talk again but it's mostly elderly people we're having issues with when it comes to them shopping with coughs and skipping the hand sanitiser. We have the 'elderly shopping hours' in place so for three hours every morning I just watch one after the other skip the hand cleaning station, we have sanitiser next to baskets and trolleys for use on the handles and that gets skipped too. We can't make people do it but the signs are fucking everywhere.

When it comes to the coffee machine there's a theme where women wear the provided gloves and for some reason men don't. It's odd.

No. 538050

>>538049
>for some reason men don't
I wonder if it's things like this that makes the death rate higher for men. Like they think they're too cool to pay attention to hygiene and care about their and other's safety.

No. 538060

>>538050
There are slightly more female cases in my country currently, very likely because of nurses getting it at work, previously week on week it had always been more male cases.

More male deaths from it though, I remember in earlier threads this was mentioned but why are there more male deaths I wonder?

No. 538061

>>537714
>you are a god who can't get it and everyone but you is responsible for stopping the spread.
>>537954
mta but nice putting words in someone else's mouth. A lot of people are paranoid and reactive, have you even read these threads?

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses, some cause the common cold, others cause the flu. Covid19 is classified as a "Coronavirus disease", so YES it is a type of flu. Educate yourself.

If you don't like people asking questions or casting a skeptical eye towards the methods of the state, too damn bad.

No. 538062

>>538022
I'm so fucking sick of it already. I want to hurl when I hear things like 6-18 months. Fuck off, like hell will I stay under house arrest for over a year.

I was getting my life on track picking up hobbies and going out of my comfort zone, then this shit forces me to be locked up with my screaming emotionally abusive family. I have to fucking wear ear plugs all day.

No. 538071

>>535839
If I knew when this would be over, I would be perfectly fine with staying home and riding it out. Like if they said it will be another 3 months, fine, but in a weird way the false the government is trying to give by extended the quarantine in small doses just makes things harder to deal with.

No. 538072

>>537978
>go out with your fever (the only even vaguely consistent symptom) and be a super-spreader
And where'd you pull that from? Lemme guess, thin air? The dictatorship over in China said the most consistent symptom is pneumonia. Now they could've pulled that out of their ass and they most likely did considering roughly 300k people die every year in China from pneumonia because most of their cities are drowning in air pollution. So nixing the dictatorship's "data", there is no consistent symptom other than flu like symptoms because as I just said, Covid19's a TYPE of flu.

I'd stay home if I thought I had the flu. If I felt a little under the weather would I stay home? No. I wear a mask, wash my hands, but I won't be bending over backwards to baby your paranoia and fear.

No. 538073

>>538071
*false hope the government is trying to give

No. 538074

Can someone white pill me that things are going to be okay and will go back to some kind of normal soon because seeing things like it’s likely going to be 18 months are really freaking me out

No. 538083

>>537934
Well you can't refute it so >>537544 lol. Taking people's temperature doesn't prevent anything.

No. 538088

Everyone is memeing about being quarantined or isolated - and here in Sweden we are celebrating warm weather and playing kubb. It's so different. I wonder how this will bite us in the ass in the future?

No. 538093

>>535839
Why do people keep saying we are in the peak week? What is that even based off of? The cases haven't risen like crazy this week so far so how do we know the peak isn't in 3021 or some shit.

No. 538105

>>538009
Which country are you anon? Do you get hassled if you go out to buy food?
>>537936
You guys wear masks and gloves? Every grocer I've been to employees are outfitted. AMZ warehouse workers are doing this now too, if I'm not mistaken.

No. 538107

>>537970
>people like them are willing to keep putting people in danger to support their millionaire corporate overlords.
The more things change the more they stay the same, anon. Unless the proles take hold of the situation.

No. 538129

File: 1586299935458.png (127.55 KB, 598x583, POTUS suspension.png)

>>537580
>>537672
>>537952
FYI POTUS ordered a hold on evictions etc. I don't see this widely reported for some reason.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1240312163195125765

No. 538134

>>538050
Men in general are known for their bad hygiene and over all slovenliness, so this makes sense. lol

No. 538140

I literally cannot find a job online, I've been trying for a month now and I keep getting rejected. Looks like I'm going to have to work in a grocery store and get myself killed becuase of retards and their family of hellspawn coming in for goofs and gaffs and sightseeing istead of getting their essentials.

Just fuck my life.

No. 538141

>>538105
No, there's no masks or gloves. My last job had a jug of hand sanitizer at the back but that's it. If I could find some masks or gloves I'd definitely wear them.

No. 538150

>>538083
B-but anon, what about the asymptomatic carriers? Because it's been proven by nothing but fucking HEARSAY that asymptomatic carriers are contagious.

And let's not forget the test that gives false positives and negatives - we should definitely be relying on that to cull our statistics from >>535842. All people can do is wear masks, gloves and practice proper hygiene.

No. 538154

>>538150
do you what asymptomatic means?

No. 538158

>>538154
No, they don't. Otherwise they would realize how stupid they sound.

No. 538167

>>537901
If it were mandated by the govt or people were shamed for not doing it that would be one thing. Seems like people just want to boost healthcare worker morale, I wouldn't necessarily categorize that as Orwellian lol.

No. 538169

>>538154
Are you intentionally asking a stupid question? That question was rhetorical btw, better look that up before you answer.

No. 538177

>>538150
I'm guessing the asymptomatic carriers being contagious meme probably came from China - super reliable source of info.

No. 538178

>>538169
>rhetoric answers on an image board

No. 538195

>>538150
Someone mentioned up thread about antibody testing being the only reliable method. It looks like these statistics derived from the PCR don't mean much. We only know that people are sick, without antibody testing there's no way to pinpoint the cause. Then there's things like this in Italy:
>>532649
>"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus."

I'm sure Italy isn't the only one doing this.

No. 538200

>>538050
men are more likely to be Republican and it was also men who thinks helping out with any sort of environmental issue makes someone a pussy so


tldr we need to stop allowing men to be in charge if they think HELPING is unnecessary/ gay

No. 538202

>>538129
yeah but he also put a lockdown and every single store in america is being raided by old white christians

No. 538203

Anon based in Straya, if anyone is interested in updates from the land down under.

We’re not on complete lockdown like France but everything is closed besides essential business. Everyone is resenting the lack of clarity regarding the rules.
Basically, all we hear is “You SHOULDN’T go out unless you have an important reason to do so”, but at the same time, visiting your bf or gf is alright. Going for an apartment inspection is acceptable. Exercising is cool.

On the other hand, if you’re chilling outside even by yourself, the cops might come and fine you if you refuse to move along.
Earlier they broke out a backpackers “party” because they were on their hostel rooftop with drinks and music, which makes no sense to me. Those people are already sharing their accomodation, rooms and bathrooms. What difference does it make if they decide to relax a bit and have a drink between themselves on the private rooftop?

Also the real estate industry is absolutely fucked. Backpackers are returning home and no one is allowed in. I need to find another roommate cause mine lost her job and it’s been hell trying to rent my second bedroom.

I’m just glad that people that were making banks by renting apartments and putting them on Airbnb are getting their asses handed to them. Serves them right.

No. 538220

>>538203
>Everyone is resenting the lack of clarity regarding the rules.
It's pissing me the fuck off. The govts reluctance to dictate clear rules makes me think they're trying to avoid looking like they're controlling people's freedom. They want to rely on people choosing to do the right thing but that's bullshit, the govt needs to take responsibility and make the hard decisions for us.

Luckily my job has been letting me work from home for the last week, but they didn't HAVE to do that. They could've made me stay at the office because the govt is only making suggestions, not demands.

No. 538223

>>537996
Too far. How do they plan on enforcing this? The French aren't exactly passive little pushovers.

Some anons have been trying to warn of this the last couple threads >>535314. It bears repeating that all anyone can do is take reasonable precautions. Banning people from outdoor exercise altogether doesn't sound reasonable. People's freedom and bodily autonomy are rapidly being encroached upon. Things like this >>536610 set a bad precedent as well.

No. 538224

>>538203
>What difference does it make if they decide to relax a bit and have a drink between themselves on the private rooftop?
Are you expecting the government to make sense? lol. There's so much arbitrary shit being enacted it's hard to keep track of it all.

No. 538226

>>538223
I dont disagree with you guys, I am just curious as to what exactly you expect people to do..The only options are to follow the law, or break it which will result in you being fined and or arrested if not killed. I guess you can always riot and blow shit up but thats going to do nothing but help push through stafford/martial law everywhere. Im pretty sure its at the point of no return now. People gave up their freedoms long long ago and now might be the breaking point and theres no way out.

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No. 538264

>>538226
Build up the medical infrastructure. We have a problem with corona because of lack of it, not because the disease is particularly lethal.

The Chinese were so very nice to share with us (Serbia) their data and experience (I'm genuinely incredibly grateful to them for all their help during this crises). Our epidemiologists analysed it, and I just read the report. The key to how they tamed the virus is adapting their medical system.

They recommend ALL infected to be hospitalised, this sees far less people spread it further or die than home self-isolation. They had to build 10 additional hospitals to do this and they helped us building our own makeshift hospitals. Hospitalization is now mandatory for all people with the virus here, even the asymptomatic ones.

Another thing that saves lives is having enough medical personnel. China brought a lot personnel from all over. They concluded having 0.6 medics per infected is optimal. They also brought medical supplies from less affected areas. This is basically what NY governor Cuomo is (smartly) trying to do >>537232. The Chinese have also sent us their medical professionals to help with this aspect, again I'm so thankful.

There are several lesser points in the report, all concerning what needs to be done with the medical system in order to beat the virus.

But the point is, social distancing and similar measures are just a band-aid. The pandemic won't go away until we all fix our hospitals.

No. 538278

>>538264
Unortunately, that's a lot to ask Western countries, especially America. Medical Lobby groups and Admins would rath have 1/2 the US population die than to do something that systematic. Why do you think people with money and power across both politcal parties shat on Bernie? This pandemic is literally showing that Bernie should be chosen, but we all know that will never happen with how stupid and easily led the populance is. All that will happen in the end is that big companies get bailed, the average person will lose their life savings, millionaires and billionares will somehow make more money off of us, and nothing will change.

No. 538286

Literally have been hearing nothing but ambulances this past fucking hour. I can't deal with this.

No. 538292

>>537722
Maybe you should exchange mails, I'm not even being sarcastic here (unless this is pasta?). I just fail to see the value in repeating "it's just a flu, nothing you show me is real unless it fits to my conspirancy video" over and over again in only slightly different variations in a thread discussing something that they claim to be fake. That just seems like bait to me.

No. 538302

>>535839
There's a protest coming about on reddit where people are proposing that they won't stay in after April because if they are told to, they will actually kill themselves either bc they deal with depression or they are becoming depressed due to isolation/finances.. Not sure where they are planning to go, but I can't help but feel pissed off despite having depression myself.

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>>538278
I get that, and that's sad.

What I don't get is why people don't have the same outrage towards the system which is responsible for the crisis as they have towards individuals who don't follow social distancing rules. After all, the latter wouldn't even exist were it not for the former. If infrastructure was adequate, there would be no need to stay at home to "flatten the curve". People are going bonkers over their neighbours and shoppers, but are happy to ignore the root problem of healthcare infrastructure.

>>538292
It's not particulartly lethal per se. Instead, it's dangerous because it's highly contagious and there aren't enough resources to treat that many sick people at once so eventually they have to triage. That is the reason we stay at home to slow the spread. The more we build up infrastructure, the less need for restrictive measures.

No. 538307

>>538278
Can you just say America instead of Western countries when you're obviously talking about, well, America?

>>538305
I partly agree with you though. The most glaring system error is how seemingly the entire planet is depending on China for medical equipment. As for the social distancing, I'm ambivalent about it. If the government uses it to gain time to ramp up their medical capacities it makes sense.
People on a powertrip that freak out at their neighbours or random people on the street are the fucking worst though.

No. 538312

>>538072
I actually pulled it from the official advice from several European countries with their OWN large-scale outbreaks from which to draw data. It's been outside China since January, you can't blame everything on the CCP forever. You also shouldn't assume everyone arguing with you is a frightened baby, personally I'd just like to be able to leave my house again at some point this year.

But whatever, if you'll wear a mask then you're at least not being a TOTAL ass so I can live with it.

No. 538326

>>538031
Why don’t you boot them out the door? Can’t follow the rules, don’t get a coffee. Play shitty games, win shitty prizes

No. 538330

>>538305
I mean, a person likely feels more control when snitching than they do pondering their role in enacting systemic change so

No. 538332

>>538292
No one here has claimed it was fake. They're asking questions, using critical thinking. Jesus some of you really can't read, it's sad.

There was another asshole in the last thread whining at someone for asking questions/showing skepticism, saying something to the effect that it should be illegal. People like that strike me as these types >>536718. They'll call the cops if they hear any coofing through the walls. How about we don't descend into a Nazi-esque police state hell hole? They can take their Gestapo/Big Brother shittery and piss off.

No. 538376

>>538105
>Which country are you anon?
Spain.

>Do you get hassled if you go out to buy food?

No, but there's a chance you'll get stopped by the police and asked. Unfortunately a lot of police officers are also making up their own little rules that weren't in the decree, like why aren't you buying at the closest store…

No. 538379

>>538167
Where I live people do get shamed for not clapping. Someone posted a picture of a handwritten sign in their appartment building of some asshole telling everyone some neighbour didn't show up for the clapping so they should wreck his door and letterbox. Also people yelling at people walking on the streets from their windows (we're not allowed to go for walks, only shopping/essential work) even if they didn't know why that person was outside.
Self-righteous assholes are more dangerous than anyone.

No. 538381

>>535839
I went out for a joy ride by myself with no intention of getting out my car, and I can't explain how much I felt watched. I passed by at least 3 police cars within a 15 minute span before turning around and going home.

No. 538397

>>538195
Some of the governments want to upend everyone's life when they can't even provide accurate statistics. The mortality rate being put out by the media is a result of mostly guess work, but practice your anti-social distancing and wait 2+ hours outside the grocery store because retards made up idiot rules? Makes sense. God what a shitshow.

No. 538400

>>538379
Post caps

No. 538415

>>538397
Theres no way to get accurate mortality rate statistics until the pandemic is over because until then we won't know how many people die from it and how many people recover.

That's the nature of infectious disease pandemics, unfortunately we have to make decisions to protect the population without all the data.

No. 538420

>>538415
They're not getting accurate stats because 1) The PCR test gives false positives and negatives and 2) Places like Italy are counting people who die WITH covid as having died FROM covid. And you can't tell me they care about "protecting the population" when homeless are left like this >>536790. If they wanted to protect the population they'd be promoting herd immunity among healthy people, not keeping them sequestered like this.

No. 538421

>>538381
PSA: cars are dangerous and the hospital isn’t a place you wanna be if you don’t have to.

No. 538425

>>538420
>herd immunity
Do you not understand why this isn't possible and why we need a vaccine?

No. 538426

>>538332
How many of us have watched movies about Nazi Germany or for us Amerifags the history of slaves in our country and thought, "those people telling the cops on people are so dumb". Hope more people realize this is their chance to show they're not one of those assholes on the wrong side of history calling the stupid police.

No. 538427

>>538379

If anyone tried to bring violence to me over not clapping I would clap them so hard they'd wake up in a post-corona future.

No. 538431

>>538420
All tests can give false positives and false negatives, this depends on their sensitivity and specificity.

PCR is innaccurate because it only tells you that yes some viral material is present in the sample you gave, this is why people sometimes have to take multiple tests because sometimes even if they have the virus, the sample they have taken doesn't have any virus present.

An antibody tests would tell you if you body has mounted immunity to covid, but you would need an additional viral antigen tests to know if you still currently have the infection or if you have recovered or if you are a carrier.

Herd immunity is unlikely to work with a coronavirus because the immunity is likely quite temporary (e.g. months)

No. 538435

Has anyone else in the UK had important medical appointments cancelled? I had one cancelled before the lockdown was even enacted that I’d waited like a year for and I’m so anxious over it. I don’t know how long they can leave that that before these non essential appointments become essential and will therefore also indirectly begin to overwhelm the medical system

No. 538436

This maybe a stupid question but what was the reason that they couldn’t have just asked the vulnerable (those most likely to need medical assistance and overwhelm healthcare systems) to isolate and social distance?

No. 538439

>>538420
We get it anon, you only want the strong to survive and anyone who lives in a polluted area, is elderly, has asthma or is fat deserves to die. Only the best deserve to live, sieg heil.

No. 538440

>>538435
Yeah i've had some clinic appointments cancelled and my mum had her mammogram cancelled.

I've been volunteering at hospital in the NHS and 2 of the wards I've worked on recently have been completely cleared out for covid patients so lots of people must be having stuff postponed.

No. 538443

>>538436
Lack of resources and support to look after them basically, we don't have enough carers or delivery people (at least in UK).

Also would be a controversial policy to implement I would imagine.

No. 538463

>>537331

What are you confused about? Are you asking if viruses mutate literally every time a transmission occurs?

No. 538471

>>538463
I'm confused about how viral genomic transcription works when they replicate in comparison to humans because I only have a very basic understanding, I literally wasn't talking about transmission at all.

From my understanding and according to Fields virology all viruses (both RNA & DNA) spontaneously mutate every time they replicate because of the rate of error which occurs when scanning nucleotides so all viruses mutate when they replicate.

No. 538475

>>538426

We get it anon, you've never met a black person.

No. 538476

>>538471

Yeah I'm sorry anon, I'm trying to help, but viruses replicating "in comparison to humans" seems totally nonsensical to me. Can you phrase it as a question?

No. 538478

>>538476
What are the error dynamics/causes of error in RNA and DNA polymerases in viral replication vs in human DNA replication?

I want to better understand how the differences in the genomic enzymes effects the rate of mutation in viruses vs humans, because an anon in the thread earlier was saying not all viruses mutate when they replicate but from my understanding, and from what I have learned at medical school and from what I have researched (e.g. fields virology) that is impossible because mutation is inherent in viral replication.

No. 538483

>>538475
Don't expect too much from someone who gets their history lessons from movies with cartoon villian tier presentation and thinks someone telling them to stay home when ill is the same as germans reporting their fellow people because being a witness got them into just as heavy punishments as being a opponent of the regime.

No. 538484

>>538478

Are you studying in a language other than English? Simply put, no, viruses do not always mutate during every replication cycle. The page you capped above would seem to make that obvious.

No. 538486

>>538420
>Places like Italy are counting people who die WITH covid in repurposed intensive stations that now only accept serious case covid patients as having died FROM covid.
Ftfy

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>>538484
Nope I study at a UK university and I was born and raised here and english is my first language.

Also, that Fields virology said that spontaneous mutation is a feature of viruses basically because viral genomes are thousands of nucleotides long at the errors occur at a steady rate per nucleotide (that table and post about it earlier demonstrate that too.

"The simplest way to examine the role of mutation in virus evolution is to measure the rate of its occurrence. Indeed, under- standing the factors that shape the speed at which genetic variation is generated in viruses is central to understanding many aspects of their evolution. For RNA viruses mutation can in some ways be thought of as their defining evolutionary feature, as it occurs at a pace that greatly exceeds that observed in other organisms."

Although mutation is the ultimate source of genetic variation, the pace of evolutionary change can in fact be measured in two rather different ways. One method is to estimate, experimentally, the rate at which mutations are generated de novo. Such rates have usually been presented as the number of mutations per nucleotide, per replication or the number of mutations per genome, per replication. However, because of the inherent complexities and biases in making these estimates, it has been suggested that estimates of mutation rate per nucleotide, per cell infection may be more informative.

For example one important complicating factor is that some viruses employ so-called stamping machine replication, in which a single virus acts as the template for all progeny genomes, so that mutations accumulate linearly, while others utilize “geometric” replication, in which some of the early progeny genomes are used as templates to produce further progeny, in turn increasing the rate of mutation accumulation.

The power of mutation rate estimates is that they reveal the intrinsic error dynamics of the RNA or DNA polymerases used in viral replication and in theory allow a count of each type of mutation—advantageous, neutral, or deleterious—before they have been shaped by natural selection, although it is always difficult to accurately count the number of lethal mutations that are rapidly removed by purifying selection. A detailed compilation of mutation rate estimates for 23 viruses, and accounting for many of the complexities inherent in analyses of this kind, revealed that these rates varied from 10^−6 to 10^−4 mutations/nucleotide/cell infection for RNA viruses 10^−8 to 10^−6 mutations/nucleotide/cell infection for DNA viruses (Fig. 11.5). For RNA viruses that replicate with RdRp, an enzyme that lacks a proofreading or repair function, this equates to mutation rates that are usually a little below the lower mutation rates observed in large DNA viruses clearly reflect the higher fidelity of the DNA polymerases employed in their replication cycle. Of particular note is that mutation −6 rate estimates in ssDNA viruses (a maximum of 1.1 × 10^-6, although only two estimates are available) are higher than those of large dsDNA viruses (which range from 5.9 × 10^−8 to 5.4 × 10^−7), even though ssDNA viruses have such small genomes
that they use host DNA polymerases for replication. It is therefore possible that the relatively high mutation rates in ssDNA viruses relect less efficient proofreading and excision repair on ssDNA and/or frequent deamination. The study of Sanjuán et al was also of note in that it revealed that retroviruses such as HIV have error rates that overlapped with those of RdRp-utilizing viruses, even though earlier studies suggested that RT exhibits higher idelity than RdRp."

No. 538508

Do you think that the fact Spain and Italy are beginning to discuss de escalating the lockdown measures the UK will follow in a few weeks?

No. 538518

Am I to extrapolate, based on the virus's ability to mutate, that this will basically come back every year similar to flu?
Because it sounds to me that covid is now going to be part of our seasonal illnesses except this shit can actually fuck people way harder and cause way more deaths that will routinely overwhelm hospitals. Am I about right? Is no one saying that because they don't want to panic and anger the public?

No. 538522

>>538518
Yea, becuase it's a virus similar to the flu, expect it to be seasonal.

Anti-vaxxers will get this smoke. No more freedom of choice for this shit to not get vaccinated. People and the government aren't going to tolerate it anymore.

No. 538523

>>538518
>>538522
Theres no indication its seasonal, given that it spread in places mid summer. Its not going to go away at all without a vaccine. Especially if they're counting deaths from heart disease or standard pneumonia etc as Covid just because a person either is an otherwise asymptomatic carrier or has the antibodies. Idk how to feel about it. Im not anti vaxx but the fact that people are saying their loved ones are dying from other things and still being counted as Covid deaths without doing proper autopsies is freaking me out.

No. 538524

>>538508
I think that's way too early, Austria will loosen up the restrictions next week and I'm certain they're gonna regret it.
Just look how quickly the numbers in France, Spain and Italy are still rising…

No. 538528

>>538524
In Spain we've already reached the peak, apparently. It'll take a while for it to truly slow down though.

No. 538529

>>538523
Tbh I'd rather get the virus than get the vaccine for it. I'm not antivax either, I just don't trust this whole thing.

No. 538531

>>538529
Hate to agree with you but given that the governments literally sat and watched this crap unfold in China while doing NOTHING to prepare or prevent it elsewhere, and WHO lied about how it was spread and deliberately told the public not to buy facemasks, it just doesnt feel right to me either. On one hand, they act like its just a flu, on the other hand, they are shutting down the entire worlds economy and instilling Orwellian policies…I just dont know how to feel.

No. 538532

>>538529
Only the risk groups (elderly, immunocompromised, etc) would need to get vaccinated.

No. 538533

>>538532
But they're saying that perfectly healthy people with no underlying conditions are dying.

No. 538535

>>538533
There have been literally a handful of healthy young people dying. Obviously these deaths get sensationalised by the media because they’re rare and shocking so it seems like more than it is. I’m not saying this to minimise it as it’s still sad but I know a few people working as critical care doctors and none of them have seen healthy young people dying.

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>>538528
>In Spain we've already reached the peak, apparently
But how would you know that? You have more cases than Italy already.

I think politicians are only saying that so that people stay patient while in quarantine, if they'd downright tell us that it's still gonna take months people will no longer cooperate.

No. 538537

>>538531
The lying and hedging coming from China and the WHO was/is shady as hell, but the seeming mismatch between the severity of the disease and the extreme lockdown policies isn't as contradictory as it looks. The reason Covid-19 is so dangerous is that it's new - nobody has immunity to it, nearly everyone exposed to it will catch it, and we don't know how to treat it yet. That's a public health disaster even with a mild disease, normal seasonal flu would be just as dangerous if everyone caught it at once and we didn't know what drugs to use. We need these extreme measures for this first outbreak BECAUSE it's the first outbreak.

As long as we can develop some treatments, then even if it gives short-lived immunity like SARS, that'll probably be enough to reduce infection rates in the future so it shouldn't overwhelm health services like this again.

We also have better odds of developing treatments than for SARS or MERS because it's become such a huge deal. Research for those two got shelved as soon as the outbreak was contained, so the fact that we failed to contain this one means labs will keep looking for cures because there'll definitely be money in it.

>>538533
Well yeah, a death rate of 0.1% for young people is still more than 0. You'll see a few deaths once enough young people are infected. A few very unlucky young people die of seasonal flu every year too, even though statistically they're low risk.

No. 538538

>>538536
I don't know, I just heard that on TV. I try not to think much about that.

No. 538539

>>538537
This is a good informed post. Thank you anon. Its easy to feel anxious and confused right now because this is so new.

No. 538553

>>538529
>>538531
I don't think governments care more about limiting your freedom to decide against a vaccine than about their economy and rich-people investments. There are 101 ways to do that without absolutely destroying your country.

No. 538562

>>538302
they should just kill themselves lmao.

No. 538566

>Bernie dropped out
>Trump is handling this horribly
>Biden is a complete nutcase

America is fucked and nobody cares. I know like 10 people who have it. This is ridiculous

No. 538568

>>538566
Of course they dont care. The amount of Americans that will die is just a drop in the bucket. There are still going to be plenty of white boomer voters and the nation is losing its shit because people arent being allowed to freely CONSUME. Thats all we live for in this country. Consumption. People are more upset that they cant go out to eat and shop than they are that people are dying. As soon as this is over, the economy is quite literally going to shoot back up because people just live and breathe to spend money on shit they dont need. The government knows this. People dying is nothing to them. The only businesses that are going to really be hurt from this are the small ones, and the ones that were already one foot in the grave. So less competition for mega conglomerates like Disney(despite them paying people to whine and cry about how Disney needs more money, kek). Because they already own everything. I promise you they are one of the companies that are going to "bail out" a ton of companies, and basically buy them and own all their shit after this is over. Capitalism just got a little bit uglier.

No. 538569

>>538566
Why did Bernie drop out? I feel bad for all the Bernie supporters lol

No. 538576

>>538566
Dummy eurofag here, isn't he just stopping campaigning? So you could still vote for him?

No. 538579

>>538568

Idk anon in my city all the junk outlet chains like strawberry/dsw shoes/Bolton’s ect were on their last leg even before this started, everyone under the age of 35 irregardless if race/income/education exclusively wants either “designer” prestige like yeeezy or balenciaga or some ethotty independent label run by an influencer, so I think big chains esp chains that are from the boomer/genx era of cheap convenience are gonna suffer waaaay more but maybe that’s just where I live.

No. 538583

>>538579
Big chains were already suffering because they are using cheap shitty Wish.com tier labor and production, yet charging an arm and leg for simple products. I work for a semi large retailer(Cato Fashions) and the quality has gone down so much customers pretty much dont even shop on regular racks anymore. If we didnt have a constant year round clearance/markdown section, and a layaway system that allows people to actually get free money back when their layaway items get marked down, we'd have no business at all. And customers dont even want to follow the rules for that. We were in the negative sales wise for the entire year before this stuff started. All the big mall
tier stores were definitely one foot in the grave already. This is just going to boost the companies that are conglomerates, like Amazon, Disney, Walmart, etc. Smaller companies that partner WITH those conglomerates or get bought by them(Khols, Target etc) are still going to be good too. People do very much still by offbrand things. They just dont want to pay the same amount they'd have to pay for the real thing. Thats a huge mistake a lot of companies are going to have to face the consequences for. The surviving stores are going to be deep discount stores like Burlington, Home Goods, that have constant sales, or stores that partner with the big guys, like I said. People are DYING to get out and spend their money. When the floodgates open up its going to be crazy.

No. 538585

>>538576
Unfortunately, not really. The only real path to the presidency is securing the nomination from one of the two major parties. In the US, it's virtually impossible for a write-in or third party presidential candidate to stand any chance against a democrat or republican.

No. 538587

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>>538568
And with what money are they supposed to consume after the dollar dropped and a lot of boomers will have to pay off their hospital bills? I don't think credit institutions aren't too happy about the recent developments either.

No. 538591

>>538587

Yeah in my deepest fantasies I want to believe people will be forced to consider longevity/quality of what they buy and the made in China/endless consumerism culture of the last 30-40 years will finally wither and die even if amazon still gets exclusive rights to ship out your skirt designed and made by hand by a amateur cosplayer/twitch streamer/part time nurse in their house in Wyoming. I know, laugh at me anons…

No. 538593

>>538587
In a capitalist and consumerist nation, people already were spending more than they had. People will get money either from the government, or through loans, or by getting another low tier barely minimum wage job just like they had before, and blow it on the same stupid shit they did beforehand. They'll still pay taxes. You'll probably see Trump pretending to do minor damage control by seizing the fed, cancelling student loans(TEMPORARILY), utility companies being forced to suspend billing for customers who arent getting any income(though this is going to take awhile because companies are going to fight it as much as they can) and hospital bills being eaten by a few major companies. Aetna has already signed on to eat testing costs and its becoming free in several places. But guess what, citizens are still CONSUMERS. And they literally cant imagine facing a world where they cant spend 30 dollars on a meal at cracker barrel, or an 8 dollar coffee, or 1800 a month on a shitty rundown one room apartment, or 1600 on a new iphone without any of the accessories, or a 40 dollar shirt that tears up after washing it twice. So guess whos going to STILL be spending despite not having the funds even if they get government relief checks and have their loans temporarily halted? Americans will always be in debt to the corporate gods. This isnt going to change anything.

No. 538598

>>538587
>will have to pay off their hospital bills
I honestly think the US is doomed after the pandemic is over.
As far as I understood (as a dumb ESL), if you Americans get laid off from work you no longer receive money from your employer right? Like an unpaid "vacation"? Seriously, how can you call yourself a first world nation, one of the strongest countries in the world, yet you just leave people to completely fend for themselves on their own, possibly fearing homelessness and starvation? Your economy will absolutely tank as well, since other countries will very likely recover much faster and start trade etc amongst each other, excluding you.
I still can't believe that upthread (or in the last one) an american nurse said she doesn't even have medical insurance, like wtf how can this be legal?, that's just so morally wrong…

No. 538600

>>538598
Maybe it takes something like this for a change to happen

No. 538604

>>538598
When a lab gives a rat in a maze a choice between a cheap sugar laden snack that has cancer causing chemicals that make them sick everytime but tastes good, and a healthy piece of fruit, which one does the rat always choose no matter how sick it gets? You've even seen it in these threads. People making excuses for why they didnt save ANY money yet continued to spend countless amounts on things that light up the pleasure sensors in their brain momentarily. They felt safe and content living in the moment. The government is not doomed. Capitalism is not doomed. Profit for the highest corporate overlords is not doomed. The people are. But they have been for decades and its never stopped them from spending money they already didnt have to spend. This isnt the end for America. Because America has literally been operating on debts and taxes for decades. Healthcare has been a nightmare for decades. Insurance has been horrible for decades. Shady student and business loans have loomed and caused people to default on their homes, go so in debt they had to file for bankruptcy, and ultimately have led to a lot of suicides and or homelessness at the least. And hospital bills? The same thing. Its sad because it feels like Americans may FINALLY be waking up now that a bigger pool of them are in that same boat, but how woken up are they really? How many of them learned from this and will save up and not spend frivolously if the economy rebounds and they're able to secure a job again? The amount of posts people make even on lolcow about how "its fine for me to blow my hard earned money on things that make me feel good self care uWu" and then cry about debt and loans they acquired to get useless degrees with absolutely no consideration for their future is proof enough. A system does not exist without the support and compliance from the citizens. Americans are too far gone. But capitalism will reign until its forcibly destroyed. And good luck with that. Because even the private sectors and every element of life(education, healthcare, prisons, public services) are ruled by it.

No. 538616

>>538604
And honestly, be destroyed for what? Communism is impossible to work if not in a totalitarian thought-crime surveillance state, simply because its human nature to always try to get a leg up on others or the coziest space, that's how even came to be this evolved, and capitalism presses all those sweet primal buttons while on communism we would have to constantly be checked if someone is not trying to get more foood, get less work hours, get a more priviliged position, because some people don't want equality, they want to be better.

No. 538627

>>538598
America is only considered a first world nation because we have money and influence, but culturally we're as third world as it gets

No. 538639

>>535839
Hope this is the right thread for this
I’ve been showing symptoms of coronavirus for 14 days. Every single day I’ve had a fever, mild but dry coughing, headache, chills, severe body aches and fatigue. The past few days I’ve also been experiencing stomach issues including diarrhea.

When I first started showing symptoms I had shortness of breath (that was about 10 to 14 days ago). I haven’t had that since, but today I started having chest pains. Pretty bad ones. I’ve had them twice today.

I’m not sure if I should go see a doctor or not, when I first started showing symptoms I was told to stay home because my symptoms were not very severe. Some days I almost don’t even feel sick until a really bad headache, fever and pain hits and I feel guilty for thinking I’m sick. Considering my symptoms overall haven’t been too severe, more painful than anything, but they’ve lasted two weeks as of today, I’m not sure if I should go to the hospital or not. any advice would be appreciated, my area has been getting fucked by the virus and I don’t want to take resources from people who might need them more.

sage bc blog

No. 538641

>>538639
If you can get tested, I would. It seems you arent quite at the stage where the illness seems to turn super severe on average(which is closer to day 18ish) but dont ignore the pains. It seems very few people are getting the pressure/pain in their chest but its still considered a symptom and some people who posted here have said they have it as well.

No. 538650

>>538500

If it's not a language barrier, I don't know what the problem is. This is undergrad-level stuff in the US. Since I'm at least the third person to have this conversation with you, maybe you should get your info outside lc.

No. 538659

>>538518
Yes this is exactly what will happen/what is already happening. We're basically stuck with it now, at least until it is on the roster of shots that every schoolkid gets or that you need to enter other countries. That won't happen until at least 2021.

No. 538660

>>538531
Tell me why many congressmen and stockholders sold before this dropped in the west, it had been happening in china much longer. They also invested in online teaching applications like zoom. They knew something people didn't and they didn't care, people are dead and it doesn't matter to them.
Americans are generally too content with mindlessly consuming garbage which is the equivalent of jacking off to porn all day. Give them iphone to feel elite like Kylie Jenner and as long as they get their iced coffees they'll shrug and move on.

No. 538662

Whole Foods employee anon, just found out tonight to employees of my store have tested positive for COVID-19. Oh and the day one of them last word is also the day I worked. How are store team leader also told us to expect more diagnosed. Boy do I love getting paid an extra two dollars per hour to risk my life and potentially kill my elderly disabled mom I live with.

No. 538663

>>538662
god I’m retarded, two*

No. 538664

>>538660
WHO was actively releasing tweets and posts on various social media saying it was nothing in JANUARY. They definitely knew and did nothing which gives a lot of juice to the idea that they knew and chose to not do anything so they could use it to install Orwellian practices.

No. 538685

>>538664
If I have to read “Orwellian practices” one more goddamn time, I’m going to lose it. Go to the tinfoil thread or get a different phrase.

With that out of way-
Anons, when my boomer parents inevitably get the virus, are they better off in hospital even if it seems to be mild? Would the hospital turn them away to rest at home even with corona? I’d much prefer they ride out the virus there than at home because I just…don’t want to wake up to one of them being unable to breathe or dead in their beds.

No. 538686

Quarantine is turning me into a degenerate. The idea of going back to work, driving, hanging with friends, etc all seems very foreign as of late. Like I'd have to start from scratch or some shit.

No. 538687

>>538664
fuck off tinfoiling retard

>>538685
I honestly can't tell you, I'm thinking the same, I'm not sure. I feel like it would be better to keep them in the hospital becuase many are being turned down and they die quickly soon after without a ventilator.

No. 538693

>>538435
had my appointment to get a biopsy from my gynecologist put off… the doc isn't concerned so I'm trying not to worry

No. 538694

>>538483
You do know there are actual documentary movies on Nazi Germany that are educational, historically accurate and not directed by someone like Quentin Tarantino? Could some of you sound any more ignorant? Since you don't have the intellect to figure it out for yourself, things like this >>536718 set a very bad precedent, with shades of fascism.

No. 538700

>>538435
>important medical appointments cancelled
I've heard this could have a snowball effect on the already strained healthcare system, which makes sense. A lot of geniuses are really in charge of policy here and it shows.

No. 538704

>>538439
lol there you go with the dramatics and putting words in people's mouths. Building up herd immunity in healthy people isn't eugenics.

Just don't be a brown shirt calling the cops if you hear coofing through the walls, or whine at someone for going for a walk even though they feel a little under the weather. Relax princess.

No. 538707

>>538486
That's not the context of the original quote from the article.
>>532649
>"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus."

It's clear what he means. They're counting Covid deaths very liberally, and not everyone who died with Covid died OF it. It's obvious that other countries are doing the same.

No. 538709

>>538707
Don't you think it could be argued that these people would not have died yet if they hadn't contracted covid19? That's why it's the cause of death. If they didn't have it they would have lived longer even if they were sick in other ways or old.

No. 538716

>>538566
You still vote? lol

No. 538717

File: 1586406192402.png (16.51 KB, 440x293, AMR chart 3.png)

>>538709
Nta, but they shouldn't be classified as strictly Covid because then you're completely ignoring other problems that must also be addressed.

Italy has the highest antibiotic resistance in the EU. This contributed to the death rate because when patients with COVID get a bacterial co-infection (as is often the case with respiratory illnesses), the treatment for the secondary infection doesn't work because the bacteria is resistant to antibiotics and the patient dies.

Counting all those people as covid deaths ensures Italians will not address the huge problem they have with consuming antibiotics like candy (which then lead to the microbial resistance, which then led to dying when catching covid).

It also ensures other countries that have resistant microbes (like mine) will not have insight into the larger scope of danger they face compared to others.

No. 538719

>>538709
No, it couldnt be argued because they cant confirm it. When someone hits their head and dies from bleeding on the brain that they never had before, it can for obvious reasons be inferred that they died from hitting their head. When someone has heart disease and has been in the hospital multiples times because of it, you cant directly infer that Covid is the exact cause of death unless you take x rays and the x rays show the fluid buildup directly affected the heart. Same with people who have a history of catching pneumonia. Seems like they are basically inferring anyone who has any heart/lung related disease, that could very well die from the disease, is instead dying from Covid, autopsy or not. Because Covid is related to the lungs and heart. It didnt make sense until nurses started explaining that places with a lot of cases are getting more funding right now. The more Covid cases reported, the more funding and help hospitals are getting from the state.

No. 538720

>>538709
Just because they're infected doesn't mean they had symptoms though. If you read the article, the vast majority of deceased had pre-existing conditions (some severe) and were elderly. The article also points out that some people are deemed to have died from Covid without having been diagnosed with it. Very responsible way to collate data.

No. 538721

So we're just going to have to adjust to this virus, that has killed this many? My boyfriend has his immune system suppressed by medication, this all terrifies me. I was one of the ones saying 'its just a cold' at the beginning, but with how many people seem to need ventilators, and even healthy young people dying as result of this, I don't know what to think anymore. We can't stay inside forever, but as soon as we all go back to work won't it all just start again? Since it can reinfect a host thanks to mutations?

No. 538723

Any American college kids here? I've heard varying reports as to whether or not we're going back in August, some people are saying we might not go back at all while others are saying our university cares too much about money to stay closed. Thoughts?

No. 538725

>>538721
It hasnt been confirmed, but mutations dont seem to be commonplace with this virus or with coronaviruses in general. So there is a chance that with antibodies, you have a better chance of resisting reinfection for awhile, unless there are multiple strains. We just dont know enough yet. Dont panic over reinfection. Just focus on getting through possibly being infected once. Build up your immune system. Idk how medicines are affecting chances of severity. I havent seen many mentions of medication use being considered a preexisting condition, but if you're bf gets sick and you have to go to the ER, mention it just in case.

No. 538728

Biopsy testing for cancer has been delayed by at least three months. I have all the symptoms of lymphoma and have had them for over a year, and there’s a good chance I need chemo. Gonna be pissed if I die cause of a plague I didn’t even catch tbh.

No. 538731

>>538717
I'm surprised US isn't number 1 on that chart. America's been abusing/misusing antibiotics for decades.

No. 538736

>>538725
https://www.usatoday.com/amp/5080571002

There are 8 known strains so far*.

>“The virus mutates so slowly that the virus strains are fundamentally very similar to each other,” said Charles Chiu


>So far even in the virus's most divergent strains scientists have found only 11 base pair changes.


>The COVID-19 virus does not mutate very fast. It does so eight to 10 times more slowly than the influenza virus, said Anderson, making its evolution rate similar to other coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) and Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS).


* “Remember, we’re seeing a very small glimpse into the much larger pandemic. We have half a million described cases right now but maybe 1,000 genomes sequenced. So there are a lot of lineages we’re missing,” he said.

No. 538738

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>>538725
>>538725
>mutations dont seem to be commonplace with this virus or with coronaviruses in general.
What? These viruses mutate by necessity, for their own survival.
https://www.hhmi.org/news/the-flu-viruss-ability-to-mutate-may-sometimes-be-its-downfall

Reinfection of a flu virus also isn't as uncommon as the sensational media makes it out to be.
>After approximately 1 year, at least 2 of the 7 participants were reinfected by the identical A(H1N1)pdm09 influenza virus, showing that previous infection experience did not provide sterilizing protective immunity.

>Furthermore, evidence of sequential infection was laboratory-confirmed in at least 3 of the participants and was demonstrated via clinical evidence in 5 of the participants. According to the study authors, this data suggest that sequential infection is not a rare phenomenon.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/70/5/748/5429562

No. 538740

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No. 538743

>>538593
>Aetna
A boomer family member dealt with those assholes at one time. They're a straight up scam.

No. 538744

>>538604
>Healthcare has been a nightmare for decades. Insurance has been horrible for decades.
These systems have been failing for years and some people look at the current situation with surprise because they never noticed how bad it was until now. If you really look into it you'd see the structures holding up things like the economy/Federal Reserve (a private entity) have been gradually falling apart. I don't know what will happen to capitalism, I was never a big spender anyway, but I don't think most people will go back to living the same ol' life they had been before all this.

No. 538747

>>538639
If you have any pre-existing conditions it's best you get seen. Without that, if you're young and you feel confident enough to forego a doctor, that's up to you. Stay hydrated, eat lots of veg. Fruit isn't so good if you have loose stool, it'll exacerbate it.

No. 538748

>>538744
>white people look at the current situation with surprise because they never noticed how bad it was until now
Ftfy(racebait)

No. 538750

>>538568
The only businesses I'm concerned for are the small,independent ones. I've heard a lot of them are shuttering their doors and will never reopen. No one I know is apathetic to people dying, it's just things like the grocery stores limiting the number of people inside and crap like that to "save lives" (which I don't believe considering how other human beings are being treated >>536790). It's annoying and time consuming, some people still have to work. Just mandate mask wearing in the goddamn store instead.

No. 538754

>>538604
that is a piss poor analogy, anon.

No. 538755

>>538750
are you dumb, anon? the stores do that so they can disinfect more easily.

No. 538756

>>538750
As someone who works at a grocery store (sort of, if Walmart counts), I'm extremely grateful that they are limiting the number of customers at a time. It's really scary being trapped inside with hundreds of people who aren't giving you any space and they touch fucking everything browsing and treating it like a fun activity instead of getting their shit and getting out. Without the new rules the place is overrun by bored idiots. I feel safer going to work than I did a week ago.

No. 538757

A student from my university died today. He was 21.

No. 538758

File: 1586413244597.png (176.56 KB, 655x416, Muh CDC.png)

>>538522
>No more freedom of choice to not get vaccinated
K.

>Postdoctoral Fellow, Peter Doshi, Ph.D., claims that although flu vaccines are pushed on the public in “unprecedented numbers”, they are less effective and cause more side effects than claimed by the CDC. Furthermore, Doshi states that the studies that underlie the CDC’s policy of encouraging most people to get a yearly flu shot to begin with, are low quality studies that do not substantiate claims.


Everyone who's ever been injured by a vaccine or knows someone who was injured or lost their life will make their voices heard. Sorry they're so intolerable for you, those killed or injured for life. lol

No. 538759


No. 538761

>>538704
I've been feeling my allergy symptoms but still go for walks outside. Sunlight is good for your health, in moderation anyway. I wear a mask if I'm in an area with a lot of people.

No. 538774

>>538439
You completely took out of context what that anon said. You really aren't too bright with your obvious posting. I suggest finding a hobby, one that would hopefully improve your brain function.

No. 538780

>>538756
nta. I can understand that and I hear what you're saying. I just don't get why they can't come up with a better solution than to make people wait for exorbitant amounts of time? I don't buy food online because it's more expensive than in store and I can't afford it on my budget. They need to bring down the cost of online grocery purchases if they want more people to buy online. I've seen people do the legwork and comparing totals online to in store, it's between $10-$20 more expensive online. When you're desperate to save every dollar, that's a lot of money and it adds up.

No. 538787

>>538604
funny how in one real rat test where they tested drugs the rats wouldn't choose the drug if they had good living conditions. don't know about your fake analogy.

No. 538790

>>538757
I'm so sorry anon. Did he have any underlying health issues?

No. 538799

>>538639
Anon please go see a good doctor asap. Having symptoms for 2 whole weeks that proceed to get worse is your sign and chest pains in addition to that should never be taken lightly, covid or not. You are not taking away anyone's resources by visiting a doc and telling him about the worsening of your symptoms. Even some covid patients reported that they have days where it gets better and they think they'll recover but then it gets even worse. You aren't guilty in any way.

No. 538803

>>538694
>documentary movies on Nazi Germany that are educational, historically accurate
Yes, 2 out of 100, maybe 2 out of 500 if we're talking about america. You really shouldn't be talking about ignorance and lack of intellect. Go read some actual historian literature.

>since you don't have the intellect to figure it out for yourself

>doesn't even address the point that citizens trapped between two shit options isn't the same as someone calling you out for spreading your germs, just links his week old posts for the 999th time again

No. 538805

>>538707
Yes, that is the context they just chose to leave out and you choose to ignore to misinterpret a vague quote for your tinfoil theories.

No. 538807

File: 1586426760699.jpg (310.5 KB, 820x913, Supp-2-Trust-Covid-Media.jpg)

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/media-consumption-covid-19/

This is fascinating. In all the years I worked in market research I have never ever seen such low confidence in family and friends as sources of data. People now believe the government more than they believe their own mom. I never thought I'd live to see that.

Now, it makes sense in the context of the pandemic, since yo mama is probably not a virologist. But it's still a huge thing that the balance of trust has been shifted.

Don't let the gov't misuse the trust you've given them. They don't love you like yo mama does.

No. 538808

>>538758
I don't want to go OT but I really respect people like this retired nurse so much. A lot of healthcare workers are treated like total dirt, especially by their "superiors". More of them should be speaking truth to power.

No. 538811

>>538694
Uh oh, anon you're "spreading your germs" by going out for a walk and totally minding your own business. You should know better than to upset the coofers, what's wrong with you?

No. 538814

>>538807
What I get out of this is that Millennials trust anyone and everything and Gen Z trust almost no one

No. 538818

>>538814
The article says gen z is just chilling and playing videogames lol

Man, it's a huge blessing in all this nonsense that the virus doesn't affect kids like most diseases do.

We have to make sure that we don't meet the next pandemic as unprepared as we are for this one, because the next one just might affect children and babies too…

No. 538825

>>538818
>the virus doesn't affect kids
that was just a rumour that was almost immediately discredited
kids have died from it
they are just less likely to have very weak immune systems

No. 538830

>>538825
>like most diseases do.
Covid barely affects kids, most cases are mild or asymptomatic. Usually children are much more vulnerable to disease. This one is a lucky exception.

No. 538872

>>538757
Sorry anon, he must be the exception and not the rule, according to retards in this thread. Fake news, he was probably a fat ass.

/s

No. 538874

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>>538872
not trying to downplay the seriousness of corona, because it is very serious and everyone needs to avoid it and avoid catching it as much as possible, but he was kind of heavy, js.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 538911

>>538872
The reality is that there have been an exceptionally small number of healthy young people who have died. You have no idea if he had underlying conditions etc. Why are you so hostile at people pointing this out? And what is people in this threads problem with people staying the fact that obesity/being overweight is a risk factor for this disease. No one is saying it makes the death any less sad or that they deserved to die etc

No. 538928

>>538780
A lot of places can't keep up with online orders and ask that only people with health problems or people who are infected use the service so they can keep up with demand. It's a tough situation to handle. We could give everyone masks and gloves but where would they get them? Make shitty homemade masks out of thin material that don't do anything? There aren't any medical masks left.

No. 538932

>>538911
Nta but people really don't want to believe being overweight is unhealthy. They just don't know how to handle it staring them in the face with this. Almost everyone who has been reported as healthy that died from this, was overweight if not old.

No. 538941

>>538911
>>538932
Ntayrt but it does get obnoxious. What do you want people to say or do about it? Most people know being overweight isn't helpful when it comes to illnesses but there is literally no time left for people to become un-obese and fix their comorbidities, the virus is already here. So yeah it does come across as rubbing salt in their wounds even if you say you don't mean it that way. It's mostly to pacify your own anxieties so let's not pretend society cares about fatties all of the sudden.

No. 538942

>>538941
Im not the anon who was making a habit of mentioning it constantly, I was just saying I do think there is a correlation and I hope this kinda wakes people up to trying to be more healthy. Myself included because Im not in the best shape myself. Not obese, but definitely stand to workout more and just eat cleaner. Healthy at every size is a scam and people are suffering for it. I dont get gleeful watching people suffer. I get frustrated.

No. 538944

>>538942
I understand you. Fortunately I do see my friends and even myself cleaning up our eating habits. I've personally kicked my soda and fast food habit which is excellent. Everyone's having to make meals at home more.

I really do hope people seize this opportunity to fix themselves.

No. 538947

>>538944
Yep, fast food was a huge issue for me working as much as I did. And I can gladly say that I have been buying groceries and cooking meals for myself since this has started and I feel so much healthier and have more energy. I understand not everyone can do that though so Im hoping the system changes too. Reading about the farmers just throwing out their crops because they cant sell them is making me so angry. JUST DONATE THEM TO FOOD BANKS. Giving people access to cleaner and better foods right now is literally one of the most heroic things you can do ffs.

No. 538956

>>538874
kind of fucked you just posted a photo of a dude who died, hope his family doesn't find this.

No. 538957

>>538941
But by this logic people talking about how pre existing conditions contribute is also ‘rubbing salt in the wound’ of having a pre existing condition, like it’s literally just a fact that being overweight is a risk factor. If people are taking as a personal attack that’s on them and people aren’t saying it like ‘oh it’s just the fatties that are dying’ but doctors are repeatedly saying that over 70% or something of ICU admissions are overweight so it’s just something people are discussing, is it not better to be aware?

No. 538960

>>538957
>is it better to not be aware?
Again, what do you want a fat person to do about it assuming they've been living under a rock and aren't aware? They can't lose 100 pounds overnight, all they can do is try to eat healthy and get some exercise. They could start doing the right things now but still wind up on a ventilator next month because I guarantee they're not gonna be skinny by then.

No. 538962

>>538960
I don’t want or expect them to do or say anything what I’m saying is people are just discussing the risk factors and development of information in a thread about the fucking virus and it’s weird to take that as a personal attack

No. 538964

>>538962
Who says it's a personal attack? It's just obnoxious, it doesn't need to be pointed out every time if it's an established fact. Pressing the issue makes it seem that way.

No. 538967

>>538964
But it wasn’t pointed out. It was brought up sarcastically by someone being like ‘oh they’re just going to say he was fat’ as if it’s not a risk factor and that’s what got people talking about it. Bringing it up when no one was even talking about it is more obnoxious.

No. 538976

one thing i love about covid-19 is that it has taught lots of people that narcissistic celebrities need to be shamed for their self-aggrandising acts, not glorified. now if only the lesson would stick… unfortunately, i dont have hope.

No. 538980

>>538967
Nah I'm pretty sure anon was saying it in the context of it being obnoxious because no one who's been keeping up with this thread on lolcow is unaware, as you said is the reason why you point it out.

No. 538982

>>538976
Considering the impact this is having, I'm having some hope that the useless celebrity culture will be dead for a while after this.

No. 538992

>>538956
he's all over the news??

No. 538994

>>538911
honestly the general vibe i get from this thread and like general tabloid comment sections is that people want to be scared, they want it to be way more dangerous than it really is. and if you exhibit any sort of level headed behaviour or scepsis you are a conspiracy fag or hillbilly.

No. 538996

>>538994
I think you are onto something.

No. 539001

>>538994
my sister's friend is morbidly obese, a smoker and in her late 30's yet she got corona and survived. Yet there have been cases of younger healthier people getting it and dying. It's scary because it's unpredictable and we don't know much about it. You can't look at the news and see the trucks full of bodybags and say people just want to be scared.

No. 539011

>>539001
if you look at actual statistics almost no healthy young people are dying, the cases reported on the news are pretty much an exhaustive list of the people this has happened to, with a lot of them being healthcare workers and therefore exposed to a large viral load, also a lot of reports on young people don't mention if they did or didn't have underlying health conditions, in these cases people shouldn't just presume they were healthy. The fact that older or vulnerable people are dying is still just as sad, but it is fear mongering to suggest that a literal handful of cases of young people (largely medical professionals) is significant and means the virus is unpredictably killing healthy young people, it is statically such a small number.

No. 539012

>>538874
Fuck off. This guy fucking went to my school and he's a great person. He was an athlete, probably healthier and in better shape than the majority of people.
But yes please do continue to blame people for their bodies and health when they just fucking died from a virus.

No. 539015

>>539011
I thought the statistics are useless because the tests show false positives/negatives?

No. 539017

>>539012
You interpreting that as if the comment that he was overweight implies that he wasn't a great person or is somehow to 'blame' is on you. Being overweight is a medical risk factor but that doesn't mean these people should have any less sympathy or suggest that it's their fault. Being overweight shouldn't be moralised this way it's so unproductive, it should be viewed as benignly as any other risk factor

No. 539018

>>539015
I'm not the person who said that. I think the death statistics are pretty accurate.

No. 539020

>>539012
who is saying he's a bad person, exactly? you can stop with the unhinged over-reactions. who is blaming him for his death? like all of these cases, obviously it's tragic, but simply acknowledging risk factors is not blaming anyone, nor does it have anything to do with his character. like asthma, COPD, etc, etc, it's just a complicating condition.

No. 539021

>>539011
A small number is still too much. And I'm sure the number is a lot smaller than it would be without social distancing.

No. 539022

>>539012
Please stop. Nobody is implying he was a bad person.

No. 539023

>>539018
Then I don't understand how you can't see why people are worried.

No. 539025

>>539020
He had no underlying conditions and you just brushed off his death because "well it must have been because he was heavy js!" as if that helps anyone and you're not just being an asshole trying to find any reason to blame someone for why they died lol

No. 539027

>>539023
I do understand people being worried and am worried, but what I am saying is that the amount of 'healthy young people' who have died is so extremely small and so overwhelmingly healthcare workers that it is fear mongering and irresponsible for people or the media to portray it as if it is a significant risk. Of course ideally no people at all would die, but the reality is young healthy people can and do die from flu, die from general anaesthesia etc but it's just extremely unlikely, it is the same for the coronavirus, and people shouldn't be excessively worried as they wouldn't be for these other viruses or illness

TLDR: there is a lot for people to worry about regarding this virus but mass amounts of healthy young people dying from it probably isn't one

No. 539028

>>539025
if someone died from coronavirus and it was posted here, and someone noted that the person had diabetes or some other underlying risk factor, would you see it as them brushing off their death or 'blaming' them?

No. 539029

>>539025
Again, not that anon but i dont think anyone is "brushing off" peoples' deaths. Acknowledging that being overweight can contribute to more severe outcomes in ANY illness is not wrong or inappropriate. It would be different if the anon doxxed this guy or snooped family facebooks or whatever(which actually happens a lot on this site). His case is all over the news and he is being presented as healthy. Everyone in America who is overweight seems to think they are still "healthy" because they play sports when that is not the case.

No. 539033

>>539025
>as if that helps anyone and you're not just being an asshole trying to find any reason to blame someone for why they died lol
can you have a conversation without being this transparently manipulative? you must be an absolute nightmare to know, jesus. i never blamed him, nor did i ever say "it must have been because he was heavy". there is no blame assigned. acknowledgement of potential complication and a possible factor in higher mortality risk is not blaming anyone. there is no character or moral judgement in this equation, at all.

No. 539038

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>>538748
basically
>>538750
on the bright side, I've heard they're getting small business loans
>>538756
right? Now we won't have retarded chuds and their families coming in to fuck around and spread more diseases while being asymptomatic.
>>538811
Get reckt. Stay the fuck home retard.
https://www.businessinsider.com/costco-walmart-target-stop-selling-non-essential-items-select-states-2020-4

No. 539050

>>539027
Most of us aren’t worried about ourselves, anon.

No. 539052

you know you can be healthy without being as thin as a stick, right?

No. 539061

>>539052
You know HAES isnt a legitimate thing, and that being overweight or underweight increases morbidity with even the most basic of diseases and illnesses, right?

No. 539065

what's your opinion on the deniers of the pandemic numbers? I found this blog after reading a report from Michael Levitt (the 2013 chemistry nobel prize winner) who says we're going to be fine and this will be over sooner that we expect. I don't really see how but how come these "experts" all believe that this is all made up to make us scared and shit?
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

No. 539068

>>539061
not talking about complete fat asses bro

No. 539079

>>539033
She said she knew him, are you so retarded that you can't understand why clinically discussing the dead person she knew might make her irrational or upset? Holy shit, you don't always have to prove you are right, just let it go.

No. 539082

>>538874
You all really are shit huh?

No. 539083

Ya'll already shit up the thread an entire day when an anon called that other woman fat if its not the same anon, are we really going to do this again? Enough.

No. 539087

Has anybody(American) attempted to file for unemployment but wasnt able to? Im curious because my employer told me I can file Monday, but Im just furloughed and I thought you had to be legitimately unemployed for a certain amount of time or not been paid for a certain amount of time to file.

No. 539092

one month quarantine here.

I've been doing exercises (I'm pretty active), cooking, calling my friends and family, talking a lot with my two roommates (who are also been doing home office) working on a table and not on my bed and all of those tips that everybody is saying about keeping you sane but I still feel really fucking anxious. All I can do to cope now is getting high to oblivion and drinking wine like a soccer mom.
Anons what kind of stuff are you doing to cope?

No. 539094

>>539092
I watch animal videos. >tfw one of my favorite to follow was the myrtle beach safari and thanks to tiger king, it just doesnt feel the same

I do love seeing all their animals still though! Its hard to stop watching.

No. 539106

>>539065
>claims to state facts and be all about honesty
>95% of his references are news articles with no sources while simultaneously claiming media is doing false reports
>quotes "expert's" speculation instead of the actual papers that exist
Idk anon. I think it's weird how they are always claiming to be the rational ones when they are acting out of bias and cherry-picking information just as much as sensationalists.

No. 539109

>>539092
God I wish that was me. But I'd second >>539094 , sounds like a 10/10 idea to relax.

No. 539115

>>539065
Same as >>539106
I want to believe this but he's quoting news sites and using outdated information in some cases (for example otherwise healthy deaths in Italy are now up to 3%, not 1%).

No. 539157

>>539106
>>539115
What shocks me is that these people are supposedly the most knowledgeable about the subject and the general population who don't understand anything about it will take their word as final. My country hasn't been that bad about quarantining (as far as I can believe in the news; personally I've been home in almost a month now), but there are still people here who believe this is just a flu and nothing's gonna get them. Old people are the worst, even though they should be ones protecting themselves. All this, and just a while ago I read in the news that in Brazil three people from the same family died with the virus and other 3 are in critical condition. I've never seen the flu do this. How can people still say this is not severe and will go away? It baffles me.

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No. 539196

I'm laughing at all these white boomers on the Nextdoor app fighting about people walking their dogs, leaving shit in their yards and letting their kids play outside and people dropping gloves on the ground near supermarkets. Boomers are literally cussing each other out and threatening to take pictures of each other's kids for not making them stay in the house and name and shame them on facebook LMAO

No. 539199

>>539196
Lol here are mine:
>STOP JUDGING PEOPLE SHOPPING AT LOWE'S HARDWARE!
>Why are parents letting groups of children play on playgrounds?
>thanks to whoever called the cops over my family get-together!
>Disinfectant spray? I'm in dire need of disinfectant spray. Please let me know if there is a store that sells disinfectant spray.
Jeeeesus.

No. 539201

>>538874
>it is very serious and everyone needs to avoid it and avoid catching it as much as possible
I'm not disputing that but you do know people have varying symptoms right? I think for most adults it's relatively mild. It's the elderly and immune-compromised who're the most at risk of having severe symptoms.

No. 539202

>>539092
I have some fam in NY (not in the city) who go out once or twice a week to the beach. I'd do that too if I didn't live like 4 hours from the coast. Personally I do a lot of meditation, especially moving meditation like Tai Chi. Helps take the edge off.

No. 539203

>>539027
>it is fear mongering and irresponsible for people or the media to portray it as if it is a significant risk.

Agreed. I'd like to think most people have figured out by now that the media in general likes to sensationalize.

There are people who still don't know that "coronaviruses" are a family of viruses >>538740. Covid is a coronavirus, making it a type of flu. Given its classification, we're dealing with a flu strain that's a little worse than usual, worse especially for the traditionally at risk groups.

No. 539204

>>539065
The only reason there are questions regarding the statistics is because the test used to diagnose the illness in most countries, that being the PCR, is faulty, nor does the PCR test for viral load. Also, reports have come out of Italy where scientists and medical authorities are saying Covid deaths are being counted so broadly as to render the "official" numbers meaningless.

One of my local news outlets asked how they count cases in a hospital setting. It turns out anyone who goes into the hospital or drives into a testing center is counted as ONE CASE whether or not they actually test positive or negative. The cases count is a red herring…means nothing.

No. 539205

>>539204
They're doing this in America too but we are being accused of being conspiracy theorists when we say anything. Families are literally commenting on news social media posts telling them to stop lying about their family members' cause of death. Its crazy. Why lie?

No. 539207

>>539205
You mean why are some media outlets spreading propaganda? I guess to answer that question you'd have to find out who they're lying for. As far as we know, this all started in China. Some people are taking Chinese State Media reports as gospel truth when they're known to lie all the time. The dictatorship treats its own people like trash, cattle, but we're supposed to believe everything they say.

No. 539208

>>539204
Yeah my family work as critical care doctors in the UK and have said they feel uneasy about the way the cause of deaths are being recorded for certain corona patients where it is recorded as a coronavirus death but corona is not the cause of death, but the patient did have corona, it’s often a very grey area. A lot of them have also been told not to talk to people about the conditions of the workers in the hospital or the situation inside the wards for some reason (I guess to not scare people or for morale?) which made them feel uncomfortable also

No. 539210

>>538947
Anon, most farmers are throwing it away because they can't transport their produce. It has nothing to do with selling or not, shit is simply rotting before they can even reach the cities.

No. 539211

>>539208
>not to talk to people about the conditions of the workers in the hospital or the situation inside the wards
Have they speculated as to why they're being told to stay silent? Do the staff feel they're being mistreated in any way?

No. 539212

I just read on the CNN newsfeed that a lot of corona tests miss positive cases, it said 16 out of 51 were seen as negative when the patients were positive. Makes me wonder how many people are going undiagnosed, that's not even counting the ones who aren't bothering to get tested and riding it out at home.

No. 539213

>>539211
They think it’s probably to avoid information being misinterpreted or sensationalised and to stop further confusion from the public, which is logical I guess but I don’t think it’s very ethical.

They have a shortage of PPE equipment which is the main concern, especially as viral load is seems to be pretty significantly linked to fatality, there is almost no testing happening so people are having to isolate which is reducing the numbers of people able to work which is difficult as it’s very chaotic and busy with the information changing so frequently but they say the different areas of the hospital are working together quite smoothly for the most part and a large number of people have needed ventilators which could become a concern but also emerging information suggests ventilation may not be as useful for covid patients as previously thought.

No. 539216

>>539079
She never said she knew him.

No. 539217

>>539038
>spread more diseases while being asymptomatic.
If someone's practicing good hygiene and sanitation, how exactly are they "spreading disease"? If you see someone who looks under the weather are you going to assume they have Covid when they could just as easily be having allergy symptoms? I'm not running around scared of everyone and everything. I take precautions, wear mask and wash my hands. I'm also not a rabid consumer so those purchasing restrictions aren't relevant to me.

Quote from the article: "Local governments around the US are taking more draconian measures to prevent the spread of the coronavirus".

>draconian: adjective

>Draconian laws, government actions, etc. are extremely severe, or go further than what is right or necessary.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/draconian

Explain how taking "draconian measures" is supposed to help anyone?

No. 539219

>>539204
>anyone who goes into the hospital or drives into a testing center is counted as ONE CASE whether or not they actually test positive or negative.
Lovely. Who's in charge of this? To call this irresponsible is an understatement.

No. 539221

A week ago I was standing in line at the grocery store. I had my shopping cart in front of me, the cart is about 5ft long. Another customer was standing in front of my cart but not overly close to it. An employee came over to me asking if we (me and customer in front) were "together". I was dumbfounded by her question so didn't immediately answer. The customer in front of me looked equally dumbfounded and said "no". This employee then proceeded to lecture me about how I was standing "too close" to the person in front of me, not observing 6ft etc. I drowned out her scripted spiel after 5secs, but nodded pretending I was hearing what she said. I went to another line, did the exact same thing with my cart, no one said a word.

I could understand if I was right on top of this other person or close enough to touch them, but I wasn't. Some people are getting turbo retarded over this social distancing thing.

No. 539222

>>539216
See >>539012
>This guy fucking went to my school and he's a great person.
This implies she knew him at least in passing even if they weren't friends.

No. 539224

>>539092
>Anons what kind of stuff are you doing to cope?
Weed.

No. 539227

>>538425
How does this address the fact that the diagnostic methods are unreliable? Why are people expected to put so much faith in a system where, in America at least, the 3rd leading cause of death is medical malpractice? A vaccine isn't going to change that. If we really wanted to save lives, maybe an overhaul of the system is an order. Or just keep things as they are and let the chips fall where they may. Same ol', same ol'

No. 539232

>>539222
Her initial post was:
>A student from my university died today. He was 21.

If she knew him, think she'd have honestly mentioned that in her first post rather than going with such distant phrasing. That's phrasing people typically use when they don't know someone and the closest relation they have to them is sharing the same school. Would've been pertinent to mention the fact that she knew him rather than saying "a student from my university", if she did. She sounds like that anon that keeps posting on /ot/, always unsaged, always overly reactive, and her subsequent posts always add more information that she neglects to leave out in the first posts, but she always gets outraged that people can't read her mind. No one would assume she knew him by saying "a student from my university". I don't buy her outrage and retroactive implications being that she's clearly dishonest.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 539238

>>538957
Obesity definitely puts your health at risk, but being overweight in general? It really varies from person to person - depends on their height and other factors.

I'm about 5-10lbs overweight but I exercise regularly, don't eat fast food, avoid most processed foods, watch my sugar intake like a hawk (diabetes in the family, though i don't have it). I feel pretty good. I keep my "overweight" within the 5-10lbs range. I haven't been sick in a really long time minus a bout of food poisoning 5 years ago. I'm also vegetarian. Nothing against meat eaters, I just found a vegetarian diet more preferable for me.

No. 539239

>>538947
>Giving people access to cleaner and better foods right now is literally one of the most heroic things you can do
Just this alone can save and improve the quality of life for so many people. The agricultural industry has a lot of room for improvement. The reduction of pesticides for one. No one should have to pay out of their ass to buy clean, quality food. Consumerism/capitalism's fomented this problem.

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No. 539244

>>539232
Why does anon need to clarify? It doesn't make the other anon's assumptions less autistic.

No. 539245

>bitching about capitalism

Capitalism is the reason you don't know the disgusting taste of rotting vegetables but having to force it down anyway, leaving the worst parts for yourself so your little sibling can have the rest.

Also there's alot of dumbasses here if you think farmers spilling milk out or dumping eggs is for the hell of it. Will you go to these farmers with a refrigerated hauler and take this stuff to the food banks in cities many miles away? Then distribute it in a efficient way before it rots?

No. 539247

>>539213
>They have a shortage of PPE equipment which is the main concern, especially as viral load is seems to be pretty significantly linked to fatality

THIS is what we should be scared of. There is a real threat that because of lack of protective equipment, more healthcare workers will get ill. The remaining ones will have to work longer and with more patients, so even more of them fall ill and many will die of exhaustion+corona. Eventually, most medics will be either sick, dead or quit because of the conditions. Then we're totally fucked. Totally. The entire healthcare collapses. Want to give birth? You've got to do it at home, and there are is no aseptic anywhere. Have cancer? Tough luck.

This is what social distancing is for. Giving them time to procure new masks, ventilators, build makeshift hospitals, and ensuring that there are enough medics per patient, that they don't get flooded by cases.

Except the world governments fucking it up majestically. Countries are literally stealing masks from one another instead of pooling and sharing their resources. A pandemic is a global problem that therefore requires global solutions. How is that not obvious?

No. 539253

>>539247
>This is what social distancing is for.
What does standing 6ft apart do exactly? If I'm not close enough to reach the other person then why should it matter that I'm not precisely 6ft away?

People should be observing proper hygiene, sanitation, and doing things like wearing masks, but making up arbitrary rules and whining at people who don't comply is ridiculous.

When you say "Giving them time" you're guessing at infection rates. The stats are flawed. Most of what we see is guess work. This >>539204 is how cases are counted in the US. Makes no sense.

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>>539240
This is a good article on the weight issue, which imo is a little more nuanced than you're suggesting. They cite several other sources.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-few-extra-pounds-is-beneficial_b_9358608

>A meta-analysis of 97 studies, involving more than 2.8 million people around the world, published in the Journal of American Medical Association confirmed the link between obesity and death but also revealed that people slightly overweight may live longer than people of normal body weight. Australian researchers writing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition provide further evidence that for older populations, being overweight was not associated with greater risk of death but that the risk did increase for older people with a BMI less than 23.


>How else can those extra pounds help? A little extra padding can help cushion brittle bones and decrease your risk of hip fracture. Also, to remain strong, bones need to carry weight so those extra pounds help increase bone density. And for women, fat helps estrogen production which is good for healthy bones.


I've personally found 5-10 extra lbs helpful for me, but I think this would also vary between individuals.

No. 539262

>>539253
I agree with you that nobody knows fuck all about the disease.

Governments are nevertheless trying to protect their flawed health systems, because if they fail we're all mega fucked. But they're doing it basically blindfolded because of lack of data, and erring on the side of caution.

But doing this they are placing a disproportionate amount of responsibility on the individual citizen, because for them it's far easier than implementing systematic change.

I say fuck what's easier for them. It's not the right way to deal with this.

No. 539269

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>>539065
This is actually a good overview because along with media reports, it also links to a lot of primary source material like scientific journals. Although I take the info coming out of China with a grain of salt, what with the brutal fascism an all.

>NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the corona crisis is used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a "global media terror“ and "totalitarian measures“. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a "media epidemic“.


Way to state the obvious lol.

No. 539270

>>539065
The problem was never the virus itself and it's lethality, as far as viruses go this one is pretty tame. The problem is inadequate healthcare around the world. Unsurprising, since most were a complete wreck even before the pandemic.

No. 539274

>>539203
I totally agree that the media seem to WANT people to panic, but it's not a flu virus. Human flu is caused by influenza viruses, in the family Orthomyxoviridae. Every human flu pandemic so far has been caused by a subtype of Influenza A, in the genus Alphainfluenzavirus.

SARS-Cov-2 is a coronavirus in the family Coronaviridae. Some viruses in this family cause common colds, as well as more severe respiratory infections like SARS, but they are not a type of flu and are not in the same virus family. Actually as far as I can tell they're not even placed in the same phylum.

The real problem is how contagious it is and that we don't know how to treat it - even if only 10% of people need to go to hospital, if you let it spread freely that's going to be 10% of the TOTAL POPULATION needing hospital treatment all at the same time.


>>539253
Standing 6ft apart should be far enough that moisture droplets when you exhale won't land on the other person. With normal breathing they have a range of up to 2m, if you cough or sneeze they have a maximum range of 5-10m (results vary).

Regarding stats, you're right they are flawed and mostly an educated guess, but you can gather from the situation in hospitals that it's currently spreading too quickly for them to manage the number of patients. There comes a point where you don't actually need statistics to tell you that you have a basic problem of too many patients, not enough beds.

No. 539283

>>539203
It's not flu because it's not an influenza virus like anon >>539274 said.

Both coronaviruses and influenza are RNA viruses though and they both are typically linked to respiratory infections in humans but they are not the same.

No. 539329

>>539253
>What does standing 6ft apart do exactly?
They literally explained what it does in their post, just like several anons in these threads you absolute autist.

No. 539331

>>539269
I want to believe but at the same time it seems so optimistic idek

No. 539337

I'm really happy I live in Norway atm. There's been fairly few deaths and the restrictions aren't severe enough to the point that police will question you why you're outside (not that I think there's enough police to do that here anyway but still). It seems like things'll be mostly fine here even though times are tough.

No. 539346

One of my college friends killed herself during a shift at a hospital couple weeks ago. She was an ICU nurse. We'd been out of touch for a few years but every now and then I'd check on her social media and feel really proud of how she'd grown. She had a rough start but studied hard and was a sweet person. Her sister was her best friend. I'm so sad about it. She was such a sweet person and was loved.

No. 539351

>>539253
I'm really getting sick of you retards.

>Why check temperature?

>Why can't I leave the house?
>Nobody can tell me what to do!
>Why can't I visit friends and family?
>Just wash you're hands lmao

No. 539352

>>539351
Blame WHO and the governments. They told people this was just a flu. Told them they didnt need masks. Told them to ~just wash your hands lmao~. Didnt close anything down until cases started to climb. Citizens are borderline retarded and have to be told even the simplest of things so its no wonder everybody is stupid and doesnt know how to act or what to do.

No. 539358

>>539337
My friend surprised me by saying restaurants in the Ringsaker region are considering opening dining rooms to limited capacity within two weeks.
It seems a bit too soon but maybe you do have a handle on things in your country. You're certainly doing better than the folks next door across that border.

No. 539359

>>539221
Standard shopping carts are about 3 ft to 3.5 ft long. Try to keep about 2 cart lengths away in line and you'll be fine. It is annoying having to be told to do it but at the same time remember that employees are probably sick of having to deal with packed customers who can't even respect simple rules that will (allegedly) keep them and others safe. It's a thankless job, just do what they say and be grateful anyone is even showing up at work so you can get your supplies. I mean does it really hurt you in the end to stand 2 cart lengths away from the person in front of you instead of one?

No. 539364

>>539352
That's true, I saw my country going on full lockdown in the span of 4 days. 1 week before everyone was saying it was just a flu, everything was fine and nobody panicked.

By the way I still wonder if the hot weather is going to affect the virus in one way or another. I know it wont disappear in summer and that's not my point, but maybe it would be slowed down. I wonder if that thing can survive so well when we hit 36°c here.
I know there are cases in warmer countries but it's not That hot right now in australia, and there are fewer cases too if you compare with italy / spain etc. There aren't that many cases in Africa despite how contagious the virus is supposed to be, it climbed way way way quickly in europe although we can't say it's 100% because of the weather anyway.
I think that there is no way to know but I wonder, since coronaviruses are supposed to be sensitive to the weather. For sure it doesn't act like a normal coronavirus but still.

No. 539365

>>539346
I’m so sorry anon, that’s so sad. Prayers for you and her family and friends, I hope everyone can comfortably grieve during this strange time.

No. 539373

>>539364
>There aren't that many cases in Africa despite how contagious the virus is supposed to be

Yeah but how good are they at recognizing the symptoms there and how good are they at registering everything? Most African countries are underdeveloped.

No. 539379

>>539373
The idea that citizens could even be tested with any regularity in many African countries is sadly ridiculous.

No. 539386

>>539379
holy shit this. how can people take the numbers so literally? it's not even a conspiracy. who do you think is testing everyone? people can't magically get tested out of thin air.

No. 539392

>>539373
They are far far better at diagnostics than western countries and already have a system centred on dealing with epidemics because they constantly battle them.

I used to live in Africa, covid can't hold a candle to other diseases already raging there.

Their real weakness is their inability to implement proper social distancing and hygiene.

The population is the weaker point than healthcare, opposite from in the West.

No. 539445

>>539352
Seems like everyone else got the message except America though.

Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore nipped it in the bud. They listened to the CDC and WHO. So are some European and African countries.

No. 539452

>>539392
They want to believe what they want to believe, they should focus on making sure America doesn't fall to the ground. My parents literally came from Africa ~2 months ago and they were screening temperature at their countries airports and stopping people back then. I get annoyed but realize it's better for them to think that so they can leave us alone. Hell, someone posted what Nigeria was doing above and they called the government stupid and totalitarian, not realizing this isn't the first rodeo and they have already worked with WHO many times over.

Let them see what they want to believe. I'm just watching so that they and France don't come after us with "vaccination studies", given their track record on our Continent.

No. 539453

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>>539444
WHO was literally tweeting misinformation from the beginning, please lmao. They're quite literally the main reason everybody kept their borders open to the fucking people fleeing from China. Trump is a retard, but people are really out here making excuses for WHO and health officials that told people masks should be for hospital employees only(as if they shouldnt have already been providing health care workers with adequate protection). And WHO stands for WORLD health organization, not American. America isnt the only country that fucked up.

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No. 539461

My building is starting to evict people who missed rent after they lost their jobs. Seems really low to me to do this during a pandemic when mass amounts of people are unemployed. Not fully evicted yet, just getting the notices on the doors, I didn't like read them or anything so I'm not sure if it's final notice.

No. 539469

>>539461
Yeah it's kinda freaking me out. Everything is closed and everyone I know lost their jobs. I don't understand this logic honestly. No one can go to work, stay home but be prepared to lose your home at the end of the month. Talk about stressful.

No. 539474

>>539469
>>539461
Get used to the new world guys. Poor will become even poorer after this and the rich will sky rocket. And our only chance (Bernie) is out, so now the rat race will go into overdrive.

It's now "get money or die trying."

No. 539482

>>539474
Bold to assume Bernie would have done anything of importance.

No. 539486

>>539461
I've heard people have started attacking landlords and honestly, I cant even say Im mad. It will get worse before it gets better.

No. 539503

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Anyone finding funny self-isolation salt/pandemic truthers? I've found a few edgelords here and there.

No. 539504

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Tidbits from a former /pt/ subject if I'm not mistaken

No. 539510

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Literally killing me (note: she has not died)

No. 539627

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52183295

Originally they were saying the Oxford university study predicts half the population have already had the virus but now only 4%? What caused this change? We need antibody testing as this gap in the data is the key to ending the lockdown

No. 539650

So I live in Colorado and this stupid ass howl starts at 8 PM when curfew happens because people are "lonely"
which would be fine, but our curfew is from 8 am to 8 pm and people are still hanging out like it's an extended vacation (What is social distancing?) At first I thought it was annoying, when I found out what it was I was like "I get it, whatever"

But now I'm noticing during the howl, shady shit is happening. People running out after curfew, taking gas from cars and just stealing whatever isn't bolted down. But it's all in good fun. Like fuck, it's only been a month and people are already losing it where I live.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/10/uk-coronavirus-deaths-bame-doctors-bma

Are there any stats regarding this worldwide or for other countries? This seems strange and worrying, is it environmental?

No. 539654

>>539346
I'm so sorry anon.
Can we all just be kinder to each other for once? This is an experience we're all sharing whether anyone likes it or not. If you're not wealthy you're most likely struggling too. Please be kind and look out for others around you.

No. 539676

>>539445
Fuck no

Taiwan dispatched agents to Wuhan back in December and warned WHO about human-to-human transmission. But those warnings fell on deaf ears because the WHO was too busy sucking up to Beijing.

Most countries listened to the WHO and it was those countries that got screwed. I've been following this thing since January and it's amazing how hard the WHO and Beijing are rewriting history

No. 539690

>>539650
My state extended lockdown until July but put absolutely no other restrictions. We have the fastest growing Coronavirus cases too. I know 9 people personally that have it. There's a supposed curfew but there's no enforcement of any social distancing whatsoever. Supermarkets and everything else are crowded from opening to close, outdoor parks are full of people and despite living in the booneys everyone is leaving to go on walks and stuff. On top of that this state is mostly boomers

No. 539692

>>539650
The howling is annoying as hell. Are people so bored and attention-seeking that they have to yell across the neighborhoods where people are busy or sleeping or trying to relax. How does that help anyone at all except for people wanting the attention because they haven't been in public for a couple of weeks?

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>>539627
>Among the factors he speculated could be contributing was whether BAME doctors felt less able to complain about inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE) – a recurring complaint among healthcare workers during the crisis – thereby putting themselves in danger.

>“BAME doctors often feel bullied and harassed at higher levels compared to their white counterparts,” he said. “They are twice as likely not to raise concerns because of fears of recrimination.”


>He said the death of BAME doctors was particularly upsetting because of “the vast majority – I think only one was born here – who have come from overseas and have given their lives to the NHS, to save the lives of others”.


God fucking damn it this is so fucking sad.

Pic is a comment from a nurse on reddit that ended up on r/bestof. Those people want PPE, not applause.

No. 539696

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>>539693
Also, this was the second top post of the week on r/nursing, tread title "they're going to "muh hero" us until we're all sick……".

The first top post of the week was a pic of "SoCal nurses refuse to enter COVID-19 patient rooms without N95s"

I really feel for those "essential workers". They're paying for the entire society's mistakes.

No. 539704

>>539693
oops, replied to wrong post.
meant to reply to >>539653

No. 539707

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>the uk shits on the rest of europe for decades, always feels superior
>the uk leaves europe because they think they're better
>corona happens and the uk does the exact opposite of the other european countries because they think they're smarter
>"oops guess we were wrong" lockdown way too late, shit already hit the fan
Seriously wow. It's not like they're a poor country, there are no excuses for this. There are so many nations who would need (and deserve) aid more than them, who simply can't afford a better healthcare system, yet instead we have to "donate" shit to the anglos.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/german-army-donates-60-mobile-ventilators-uk-coronavirus-nhs

No. 539709

>>539707
Really looking forward to us asking for aid when shtf here because quarantine suddenly doesn't matter anymore when the weather is nice and getting no response from any country because they lack resources too and aren't as suicidal as ours. /s

No. 539712

>>539707
>German ARMY is donating ventilators
Take note so-called World Powers, this is a country prepared for literally everything.

No. 539735

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No. 539743

what the actual fuck

No. 539758

There have been more cured cases than infections in my region for two days in a row, I'm happy

No. 539788

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my state posted this and I wanna die, why is Oregon like this???

No. 539789

>>539690
Colorado anon here. Yes! That's exactly how it is here. It's pissing me off no one is taking this shit seriously. Even worse, rubber gloves and medical masks are coating the streets now because when these idiots are done shopping they just toss it on the ground. No one here is enforcing anything to prevent the spread of the virus and it's dumb as fuck.

>>539692
Exactly. That and, we have cell phones? Face time? What the fuck do they mean their lonely? And as stated above the curfew isn't enforced and they are still seeing each other. The howl is just an excuse to be an annoying lil shit.

No. 539790

>>539788
I dunno why that put a smile on my face. Haha thanks for sharing anon

No. 539792

>>539346
During her shift!? Damn, she must have been so stressed…

No. 539799

>>539707
>bogg land is going to ask for serious aid when all of this is over

LOL they better pray that the US saves them, Europe will give them the bare minimum and tell them to fuck off.

No. 539805

>>539788
Oregonian anon! I knew others existed…
Yeah, this stuff is cringy for sure, but you know how it is out here kek

No. 539814

>>539788
Screaming at use condoms and selective kissing. Like….if you're fucking someone with covid you're 99% likely gonna have it too regardless of whether or not you wear condoms Im…and kiss a "small circle of close contacts"? Cant they just say your partner that you're quarantined with because otherwise why would you be kissing ANYONE right now tf?

No. 539818

>>539707
That's just how we roll.
But seriously more people will die because of our government's retardation.
Don't know why people are surprised the UK has always shat on their populous.

No. 539825

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>>539788
Really now?

No. 539828

>>539825
Im so tired of people lmao.

No. 539839

>>539788
I'm saving this to show it to my grand-children in 40 years

No. 539862

>>539825
>coin flip birth control
Uh, what? 3 weeks into quarantine and you're fucking your neighbor?

No. 539894

>>539825
I don't really understand what this is trying to say but it does convey how men view their girlfriends or wives as commodities to be traded and exploited, he's probably wanted to fuck other neighbors for years and now this is his opportunity to get bored, lonely, and unstable people to comply.

No. 539917

Am I retarded for thinking that this ultimately won’t be a big deal m, and certainly nothing like the Great Depression?

No. 539921


No. 539923

>>539917
you're retarded but for another reason

No. 539924

>>539921
Kek, I can accept that I probably am. But do you think it will be anything like the Great Depression? That just seems so over dramatic to me. Makes me feel like we live in entirely different realities and they’ve never faced a hardship.

No. 539931

>>539924
Really no one knows for sure what the economic impact could be, because there has been nothing like this and because there are still so many things up in the air, we don’t even know how long the lockdown will go on for. It very well could cause a depression, but it’s also different from previous economic decline in that the shut down of industries was somewhat deliberate in this case - it’s really uncharted territory

No. 539934

>>539917
In the UK we're talking about opening shops in June. Idk why everyone is shitting their pants.

No. 539935

The PPE situation in the critical care wards where I live is unimaginably bad. My family have worked in the NHS for decades but are literally talking about quitting because they are allowing people to work in such unsafe conditions and literally treating them like they’re disposable. All the ‘clap for NHS!!’ things are not helpful, NHS staff are not heroes they’re more like hostages and didn’t sign up to have their lives lost due to government negligence, I feel like the ‘carers are heroes!’ Thing is doing more harm than good because it’s dehumanising, they aren’t heroes they’re normal people with lives and families too

No. 539941

>>539935
I know they probably feel trapped too because they're caring for the sick, but they will also have to petition for their rights. There's no excuse for them to be treated this way.

No. 539942

>>539758
The vast majority in the non at risk groups recover.

No. 539943

>>539941
Exactly it’s like the worst possible scenario because the wards are already so busy and chaotic with most people working back to back 12 hour shifts and having doctors leave would make the situation so much worse and be so unfair to the ill patients but at the same time there’s only so much (unnecessary) risk you can expect people to take when they themselves have families, are parents etc, i think the uncertainty over the lack of recourses is just adding so much stress and danger to the situation and needs to be prioritised

No. 539944

>>539735
>stonk market falling so fast it traveled backwards in time
kek. The economy's fake anyway though. Now they want to make it all digital and get rid of paper money even though the virus hasn't been proven to spread that way.

No. 539945

>>539943
This is just a perfect storm setting up the healthcare system to collapse. If enough of these people get sick, then what? The country will start importing doctors from elsewhere, and then those doctors will be treated the same? They're being treated like disposable refuse and not human beings. Whoever's in charge of this needs to go.

No. 539948

trying to tell myself it will be okay while knowing it's only going to get way worse is becoming harder

i feel like i might have a mental breakdown

No. 539949

>>539894
Some of the worst aspects of people are going to show. Anyone who was a pos before this started, that's all coming to the surface. Just look at all the celebutards on sm virtue signalling "we're all in this together guise!" while they sit at home in their gated communities/mansions/compounds. Meanwhile >>536790. We're not all bearing these problems proportionally, some people are having a MUCH harder time.

No. 539951

>>539944
>Now they want to make it all digital and get rid of paper money even though the virus hasn't been proven to spread that way.
I mean…they've been waiting for an excuse to get rid of paper money for a century. This is now the perfect time to make everything digital and trackable. Im not even religious so I dont believe the religious ~mark of the beast~ theory, but I do believe they want to chip people simply to be able to track and easily control or get rid of them. Now they can do it with little backlash.

No. 539953

>>539653
>>539693
>>539696
>>539935

You'd think there'd be mandates to ramp up production of PPE's by now? wtf are the people in charge doing? Unacceptable for healthcare workers to be treated this way. I agree >>539945, whoever is responsible for this needs to be replaced. Find competent leaders who can do a better job, preferably someone who actually has the back of the healthcare workers.

No. 539956

>>539951
>make everything digital and trackable.
They already tried a digital currency ("experimental rollout") in India like a year or so ago, I can't remember the name of the city/town. It mostly affected the poor. Unsurprisingly, their lives weren't improved by this currency switch. One problem I remember was they had to show several forms of ID in order qualify for their card, or whatever the method was. Most of them were so impoverished they couldn't meet such requirements.

No. 539957

>>539461
What country are you in? If you're in the US, have you seen this >>538129? I'd hope people are taking advantage of it. If landlords don't abide, get the law involved.

Wishing everyone the best. No one should have to lose the roof over the heads.

No. 539959

>>539274
I wouldn't think standing exactly 6ft away is necessary if you're wearing a mask though? They're requiring mask wearing in my state, at least in stores. Even before that I was wearing a mask outside.
>>539283
>Both coronaviruses and influenza are RNA viruses though and they both are typically linked to respiratory infections in humans but they are not the same.

Thanks both anons for clearing up the confusion.

I was getting mixed up thinking coronaviruses caused the flu (probably some news reports saying it was just a flu didn't help). Both viruses (corona and influenza) can cause similar symptoms, but they don't cause the same disease. Do you have any literature you'd suggest to read up on coronaviruses in general?

No. 539960

>>539453
>>539676
lol I didn't know the WHO was shilling for the Chinese dictatorship all this time. That explains a lot.

No. 539962

>>539676
No wonder Taiwan's been trying to separate from the mainland all this time. Those poor people have been fighting for sovereignty since at least the 80s, if not earlier.

No. 539963

Did the two corona anons ever post an update? I’m worried about them.

No. 539968

>>539693
>when this hero stuff starts to get thrown around it is a way for society to build us up to be sacrificed so that the public will view it as a noble but nessecary service we did, giving them a curtain to hide behind the truth which is that none of this needed to happen.
>Like soldiers sent off to war to die for corporate greed and political power, "He died a hero to protect your freedom…"

She's right on with the soldier analogy, but the civilians aren't the ones setting policy, it's the government. If anyone's going to hide behind a curtain when SHTF, it's the government.

>We are just seeing the effects of healthcare capitalism on a mass scale right now.

>Our healthcare system was [already] stretched thin and unprepared for a situation like this.

This is a point that a lot of those who mention how inundated the hospitals are, don't address. They were already at a disadvantage for various reasons, the situation now is just the straw on the camel's back. This has been a long time coming. Anyone who's been paying attention isn't surprised at these developments.

No. 539974

>>539270
>The problem is inadequate healthcare around the world.
It's not like this worldwide though.
>>539712
Germany seems to be handling this really well, along with places like Norway >>539337, Sweden, (i'm sure I'm missing a few). As an Amerifag, I'd like to know what these other countries are doing so maybe we can learn something.

No. 539988

>>538660
>They knew something people didn't and they didn't care
Maybe they saw the Event 201 Pandemic Exercise? To be fair, it wasn't hidden from the general public but then the best place to hide something is in plain sight, right? I'm pretty sure I capped a few of the comments under the video before they were tellingly disabled - the comments were understandably scathingly critical.

I hope more American's wake up from their consumerist/capitalist slumber.

No. 539993

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>>539988
Samefag.

This video was uploaded Nov 4th, 2019. The first Covid case in China was reported on Nov 17th, 2019. That's some timing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

No. 540035

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>>539461
My fellow US anons worried about being evicted, contact your local tenant advocates.

Search: "office of landlord tenant affairs" (put your city/state at the end to find the site for your area). If this >>538129 is federally mandate, you can also bring that up to your advocate if they don't know. Good luck.

https://ota.dc.gov/

No. 540043

>>539974
The US healthcare is not on par with those countries not because your government doesn't know how to make it better, they don't want to.

Sweden and Norway have robust public healthcare. The US would never give up for-profit private healthcare.

Germany invests a lot of money into healthcare, they have made big reserves. They even have ventilator reserves for their army just in case, even though their army never goes anywhere. You don't invest in healthcare reserves at all, only in Army stockpiles, and you leave your poor veterans out on the street with untreated ptsd and chronic conditions.

No. 540056

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52255863

Does anyone know if this is true in other countries? I haven’t heard it reported elsewhere and it seems strange because a lot of African, ME and Asian countries seem to have relatively low death rates but it could just be issues with recording cases?

No. 540058

>>540056
I keep hearing the US has a significant number of infected and death rates within the African diaspora actually

No. 540060

>>540056
I know that a big share of dead patients in Sweden are Somali refugees. The issue seems to be that a lot of Somalis don't speak Swedish and aren't interested in the Swedish society which is why they don't follow the lockdown rules and end up getting infected and bringing the virus home to their elderly parents/grandparents.

No. 540062

>>540056
The pandemic has been exposing every country's weak spots.

The only reason we don't already have the same problem with our biggest minority - Gypsies - is because the infection hasn't spread to their community yet. And the only reason it hasn't yet spread is that they're not integrated with the mainstream society.

Our government said that it will close off the Gypsy settlements from the rest of the city if tests reveal they've been infected since once it's there, the lack of social distancing and hygiene will make it explode.

We have expanded and prepared healthcare resources to deal with an infection within the Roma community and they will be treated the same as anyone else when hospitalized, but there's no doubt their mortality rate will be higher because of their underlying conditions stemming from life in poverty.

The government literally acted as if Gypsies don't exist until this pandemic. They will be forgotten again as soon as the crisis ends. Even now they'd rather just isolate Roma in camps and do damage control than implement long-term solutions such as providing them with running water and proper housing.

No. 540077

>>540060
In stockholm, the area where most covid cases have been discovered in sweden, the highest percentage of cases come from communities with a larger somali population. It's not purely that they don't wanna follow the lockdown, they also have lower paying jobs, which means they cant stay at home and work. Plus it's more common to live with your elders there.

Saying it's just because they aren't interested in swedish society is disingenous. For some it might be true, but it's not the only reason

No. 540080

>>539951
>>539944
They could've done that perfectly fine without a pandemic and without ruining their worldwide stocks and markets. That's my main problem with all the tinfoils.

No. 540082

>>539974
>As an Amerifag, I'd like to know what these other countries are doing so maybe we can learn something.
Just refuse to test post-mortem even if they 100% died under corona symptoms. Your stats will be great in no time.

No. 540084

>>540062
where are you from? are you romanian?

No. 540095

>>540056
In the US it's mostly likely true since most minorities tend to live in intergenerational households. I see this pretty much across all the different minorities homes I visited. Grandma living with Mom and Dad, living with their young adult kids, with a high chance of even younger kids too

No. 540102

>>540095
Also a huge percentage of black Americans live in poverty and densely populated areas. There’s Also environmental racism, food deserts in poorer neighborhoods which leads to people eating unhealthy thus developing shit like diabetes, hypertension etc. coupled with the fact that black people have some of the highest mortality rates and also the fact that medical racism is a thing that did and still does permeate the medical industry. As a black person im so scared for my family and friends family. It’s really fucked

No. 540105

>>540102
Same anon as an example my mom passed away in her early 40s from a massive heart attack (she was thin but she had extremely high blood pressure) and my dad recently just got sick from an illness you tend to get when your much older and he’s in his early 50s. Most of my grandparents didn’t even make it out of their 60s. this is morbid but I’m preparing for my dad to get COVID and to be without both parents before I’m even 30 smh

No. 540106

>>540102
Yeah, where I live we have a bit of ethnic communities without healthcare. My mom has been working throughout all of this and if she gets sick she'll probably die.

No. 540112

>>540056
I live in Germany and most deaths here are native germans, average age 82 years old. An extremely large percentage are because retirement homes being infected and many of their inhabitants dying which of course is sad but on the other hand families of a 90-year-old with dementia were at least already somewhat mentally prepared for their passing. The majority of the population being against smoking, not living in intergenerational households, an okay health care system plus already having had high hygiene standards beforehand definitely are a blessing.

They said on the news that in the US black people are especially fucked because they're on average much poorer and therefore unhealthier: no money, have to eat like shit, no insurance, avoid going to doctors, be in bad health in general, get infected by corona,… I reckon it's somewhat similar in the UK (and maybe France) too? Other european countries don't have the same colonial history, large crowds of poc foreigners only started moving here much more recently so a decade or century long "two class system" (white and rich vs. black/hispanic and poor) like in America isn't a thing here.
It would be a problem if refugees got infected tho since they usually live in homes for dozens or even hundreds of people so it would spread like wildfire. Most are on average young but nevertheless too many infected is never a good thing.


My uncle is in hospital since 1 and a half weeks already, he can talk on the phone and use his laptop but he's still in intensive care, getting 2 litres of oxygen per day. Not allowed to get up, shower, go to the toilet, mostly alone all day. He's regularly getting tested and despite being sick for over 3 weeks already he could still infect others. If he's infectous for that long, what use are the 2 week of precautionary quarantine for people who might be infected but don't have symptoms? Absolute bullshit.

No. 540153

>>540112
>Absolute bullshit.
Look, we all just found about this virus a couple of months ago. Nobody is an expert on it. There is no information source capable of giving you 0% bullshit.

The fuck are you expecting from anyone under such circumstances? You're doing your best to adapt, that's what matters.

No. 540154

>>540056
I wonder if this is some kind of genetic predisposition or is environmental? They don’t go into detail about specific demographics so it’s hard to know if it disproportionately affects ethnic minorities across the board or there’s specific groups that are more susceptible

No. 540155

>>540080
Nah I think they needed a catalyst. It eases us into a different style of living. I dont think Covid is fake, I think they just saw it and took it and ran with it.

No. 540189

>>540080
>>540155

I really don’t think the rich are scared at all. Not just because they will be favored for treatment, but because the hard times take out smaller competitors, and the stocks falling is temporary and beneficial to them as now they can buy all the best stocks for very low prices.

No. 540202

>>539988
>partnership with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
Not to bring tinfoil here but EXCUSE ME? The same guy that wants to microchip us under the impression of monitoring vaccinations? Someone please give me an explanation!

No. 540224

Have all the anons with Covid died?
We had updates in previous threads.
People telling us about their coof first hand.

I mean sure we can just continue talking politics 'n shit,

But are y'all ok there?

No. 540229

>>540202
bill gates doesn't want to microchip people, idiot. there's a designated tinfoil thread where you can post this lunacy

No. 540238

Are any other Canada anons wondering if things are just… not going back to normal ever, even after this calms down in the future? I feel like we are hearing about such a longterm bleak future outlook. I'm starting to get kind of scared that even once other countries reopen we will still not be allowed to leave.

No. 540242

>>540238
Why would we not be allowed to leave? It’s not going to be forever. Once the virus is dealt with (I think a year or two, max), there’s no reason to keep everyone in/out of the country…? Unless Trudeau and his government pals decide to go full Kim Jong Un on us…which is incredibly unlikely.
Obviously some things will change, but the whole country isn’t going to isolate itself from the rest of the world or quarantine it’s citizens forever.

On the bright side, if that comes to pass, we’ll get to join rebel militias and become ~heroes~

Stop consuming so much media. And stay the fuck out of the tinfoil thread.

No. 540251

>>540224
I feel like I remember a lot of people posting when they got better? Maybe I’m misremembering?

No. 540291

File: 1586737651479.png (865.19 KB, 1311x615, Screenshot.png)

So will corona-virus kill off sjw-culture

No. 540292

>>540291
wishful thinking

No. 540296

>>540291
Kek, no. Most people in the sjw community don't leave the house anyways.

No. 540308

I went to the market yesterday and even though I took all precautions, this afternoon I was suddenly overcome by intense fatigue. I don't have a fever or cough or anything but I'm super scared that I got it at the store and I'm going to be sick now. I'm more worried about infecting my mom though since she's older.

No. 540311

>>540291
I wish it would kill off everyone-who-doesn't-agree-with-me-is-a-triggered-snowflake-republican culture by way of all of these old dudes dying

No. 540314

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god the amount of young doctors and nurses this is killing is so damn concerning and sad

No. 540319

>>540314
Do flus and other illnesses do this when compounded onto the same person? I don't really pay attention too much but do doctors and nurses die if they are seeing too many flu patients? Why is this different? I mean I know there's not enough protective gear but it never crossed my mind that being exposed to the same illness over and over would make it worse, just that you'd get sick with it and that's that.

No. 540328

>>540319
My guess is that so many of them are working insane hours and getting shit sleep, probably eating shit etc etc. They must be absolutely run down and unfit to fight it off. The way they’re being treated is absolutely disgusting and criminal

No. 540332

>>540328
yeah a lot of fast food and pizza places are donating food to them and posting it on social media but its a double edged sword

wish some farmers markets and healthy places would donate instead

No. 540347

>>540314
This is so sad. So many scumbags are running around with no masks/gloves and not giving a shit while the young medical community is risking their lives every day for this. it's so disheartening

No. 540348

File: 1586747029455.png (305.27 KB, 669x573, nurse.png)

>>540314
I was just reading about a British nurse who was sick with covid19 and passed. Her family said she had no preexisting conditions and she was only 29. It's so terrible that all of these people are dying in healthcare. If they quit or don't go to work they'll be pariahs for not helping. If they go they risk death or illness.

No. 540374

Looking at how the medics at hotspots are affected, the Chinese reccomendation for medic/patient ratio is starting to make more sense.

>>538264
>They concluded having 0.6 medics per infected is optimal.

I thought that part of the report was strange, why would you need that many medics if few patients are critical. But it's not for the patients, it's for the medics. To protect them from exposure to many infected which would increase their viral load. The greater the viral load, the more severe the disease.

>>540319
The Spanish flu also got worse the bigger the viral load. See
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/sars-cov-2-viral-load-and-the-severity-of-covid-19

No. 540380

>>540238
Yes, but then I think: what are we calling normal? Our healthcare system was unprepared also. Underpaid, understaffed, under protected.

No. 540390

French anon here. I'm wondering if my country will ever recover from this, given the state of the economy/employment before covid-19. We entered recession a few days ago and its way worse than in 2008. My generation was already fucked from the get-go in this country but now…

No. 540395

>>539959
Honestly if you're a layperson you could just start with wikipedia, it's pretty reliable for boring things like virus taxonomy. Check the article references if you want to read the actual studies, they always link out if it's available online.

No. 540443

>>540056
I know I'll get banned for this but I don't care
I live in an area with mostly minorities, every single day I can look outside, children are running around half naked, like a good 20-40 of them just in one single strip of neighborhood, teens just walk outside and crowd around just to hang out for no reason, I literally couldn't even drive because so many people are outside and my town is only like 8k,gross, clearly poor hygiened men are just crowded around too, hygiene conditions are terrible, on top of that there's massive drug issues and they're always ordering food delivery, like straight up 4x orders a day to the exact same place, ordering online shit and so on. They can't be asked to clean, or adapt decent food and health habits. There's a difference between uneducated and just plain lacking common sense, it's honestly hard to feel bad for them especially since a lot of people in my neighborhood clearly have it but still crowd around every night

No. 540444

>>540443
>There's a difference between uneducated and just plain lacking common sense
True, I lived next to a Punjabi Muslim family and they were some of the cleanest and most respectful people I knew.

No. 540448

>>540308
Dont worry it doesn't affect you that fast.

No. 540470

>>540443
Hahahaha, where are you from? Here we have a similar situation, but it's rich old people. Huge groups, treating it like a reason to go out MORE with people. Young babies being pushed in buggies surrounded by old fogies speaking directly over the infant's face. It's very bizarre, it's like being put under quarantine made my street look like only retirees live here. Trust me, common sense may have not been passed down to your foreigners, but it's not a race issue. It's a matter of ignorance!

No. 540477

Anyone else given up smoking since this kicked off but lowkey worried that they’re wrecking their liver instead? I used to be an average 5 spliffs a day gal for the past decade but now I’m necking gin and juice instead. Wonder if I should just heck it and go back to the weed tbh….

No. 540479

>>540477
Tried to kick weed with my live-in bf and we were at each other's throats for 4 days straight. Finally we decided fuck it and just smoked anyway, better than being cranky and stuck inside with each other all day sober. Now we try to limit it, we smoke only on weekends or if we are having a very over the top moody day. It's very difficult with the stress of everything. I would think that drinking would be just as bad but maybe not since at least your lungs wouldn't be bombarded with smoke. What if you just cut back?

Unrelated, but I got a call from my doctor's office this morning they wanted to schedule me for a 3 month med check up for me to come into the office. Why on earth would they do that during a fucking pandemic? I don't want to go in anytime soon, why would they want extra people going in right now? I'm supposed to have a blood draw every six months and now is the time they bump it up to every three months? During a contagious virus? Last time I went there a sick baby gave me the flu because I had to sit in the waiting room with it for almost 2 hours. Fuck, I need my meds refilled but I don't want to travel out into sicksville for them. Makes me feel so hopeless, like I'm going to die either way. Why aren't some people taking this seriously?

No. 540482

>>540390
It's kind of bad but I'll always think of the Smurf gathering when France and COVID19 are mentioned together. I wonder how many got sick?

No. 540485

>>540477
If you're worried about how smoking weed affects the lungs, why not just make edibles?

Anyway, I'm not going to stop consuming it because of this. It's a bummer though that the price of weed has gone up here since the movement resctrictions were introduced and borders closed.

No. 540487

Not sure if it's been posted already but is anyone else starting to see covid deniers emerge from the woodwork?
My antivax cousin just posted this video. Basically a fake doctor chimps out about fake news, and then tells people to overdose on quinine/hydroxychloroquine and zinc and anyone who disagrees is just a media puppet working for their masters. The guy in the video actually uses a fake name. He's really a chiropractor who's trying to sell people shit when they contact him for info.

Fun bloggy bonus tidbit: My antivax cousin is a meathead bro type and I can see why the guy in the video appealed to him so much. They talk just like each other, that weird bullshitter's confidence they outwardly express in their body language and tone, while saying nothing of substance.

No. 540491

>>540487
yeah my aunt seems convinced that corona is like the flu and people are just over reacting, any time I try talking to her, she just brings up about how many millions of people die from cancer every year e.t.c she doesn't take this ""pandemic"" seriously at all

No. 540492

>>540491
downplaying is a little different than outright denying.

No. 540495

>>540491
questioning its severity/how it has all been handled isn't the same as saying corona plainly does not exist.

No. 540501

>>540479
cover your face.

No. 540505

>>540390
French anon as well.
Sure it's bad but looks like we're not the only one in europe in this situation anyway
Im sure it won't be pleasant but I can't imagine it being "never recovering from this" kind of terrible (that being said, you might be right, i just can't imagine, what do you fear exactly when you say that ?)

No. 540512

Im trying to file for unemployment after being furloughed and I have no idea what Im doing Im so fucking confused. Im in Georgia so I have to also file for employment services? Im not looking for another job. The fuck? My manager isnt helping me any. About to say fuck it and just not file.

No. 540543

>>540477
I've been drinking almost daily since this whole affair started. I'm not even that anxious or depressed, just numb and bored.

No. 540568

>>540512
do it anon
it sucks but you never know how long you'll be out of work

No. 540590

>>539789
Aus anon here. People in Colorado are literally screaming during lockdown? Wat.

No. 540617

>>540590
Another Colorado anon here. They're not doing it in my neighborhood (thank fuck), but apparently it's really big in Manitou Springs (which makes sense if you know about that area and the people who live there). People go out and howl in solidarity for medical workers or something? Because if you're deemed essential and just want to go home and get some fucking rest, of course you want to hear your neighbors larping as werewolves.

No. 540641

>>540617
other colorado anon
I heard it was to howl to show how much you miss someone. But ever since this started the meaning changed so much that it's meaningless and just plain stupid and disruptive.
My mom works in the hospital and no one appreciates it. My mom works at the hospital and she says she puts headphones in at 8.
The howl benefits no one except attention whores.

No. 540781

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https://youtu.be/8_bOhZd6ieM
Here is a very detailed and well done explanation of the covid-19 virus and method of infection.

The graph I attached is towards the end of the video and explains why the late symptom onset and why people die. What kills them is their immune response. The virus suppresses the immune response when it first infects, during this time the patient is asymptomatic but contagious. This way it gives itself time to replicate and reach very high numbers. When the immune response finally kicks in after 2 weeks, it goes into overdrive because it suddenly recognises that enormous viral load. It starts throwing everything it has at the virus, killing healthy cells in the process. This is what causes the severe pneumonia and ultimately death.

That delayed immune response is responsible both for the disease's contagiousness (two weeks of stealthy infection) and lethality. What a nasty mutation that interferon suppression, no wonder this thingy conquered the world.

No. 540800

>>540781
It's worth noting that the graph you've included is from 2016 and is about SARS, not Covid-19. SARS had a much higher mortality rate and much less variable symptoms, so there are differences between the two. However, it's likely that Covid-19 operates in a similar way when it comes to those who develop severe disease.

No. 540803

>>540800
Sure. I mean it's called SARS-CoV-2 for a reason.

No. 540807

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>>540803
Comparison of different coronavirus genomes

No. 540858

whole foods anon here. FIVE CASES at my store. managament is trying to keep it secret, discouraging employees from discussing it and have not announced it to the public. no employees who worked in close contact have been offered paid quarantine leave. we are being told to keep working until we feel sick. the cases at my store have doubled in two days. cleaning practices are still horrible at my store. to any anons who go grocery shopping: act like everything is infected because it probably is. stop fucking coming grocery shopping with no mask or gloves because you believe you're untouchable. stop fucking going grocery shopping for one avocado and pint of ice cream because you're lonely and bored. not only are you endangering yourself and everyone you know, you are endangering us. and for the love of god pack your own bags. because all our cashiers are calling out, they've been having employees from meat and prep foods and anywhere bagging for us. guess what? those are the absolute dirtiest jobs and no offense but they are not cleanly. pack your own bags you lazy fucks. you come to a grocery store with a mask and gloves and are anal about everything else but are STILL too lazy to put your groceries in a bag? enjoy having the bagger touch ALL your food with the same gloves that touched 50 peoples things before.

No. 540875

>>540858
>managament is trying to keep it secret, discouraging employees from discussing it and have not announced it to the public. no employees who worked in close contact have been offered paid quarantine leave. we are being told to keep working until we feel sick.

Jesus. I'd expect such foul working conditions in a Chinese sweatshop, never in an American supermarket.

What can I say, I hope you stay healthy and pull through all this shit.

No. 540880

>>540858
You could try looking into this.
https://cwa-union.org/covid19organizing

No. 540899

>>540858
>>540880
The anons that post these kinds of things are really worrying. Imagine what is going on that isn't posted here. It seems pretty common. I hope there is something you can do about it, call HR, the union thing that the other anon posted. This is downright criminal. They're discouraging you from saying something? This isn't HIPAA, I doubt there is anything real keeping you from rightfully warning people there are cases in your store right?

No. 540913

>>540858
I encourage you to report it, go to the local media etc. Fuck these companies and corporations. We're possibly all going to get sick/die anyway from this, might as well take the pieces of shit down on the way.

No. 540917

>>540880
>>540899
unfortunately because whole foods is owned by amazon, they are EXTREMELY anti-union and are notorious for firing anyone who even questions company policies, let alone goes to HR. To them I am an expendable cashier. In fact our store is hiring dozens of new replacement cashiers for ones who are expected to quit, be fired because of complaints, or die of illness. I have reported what's happening to the whole foods worker union, but they're not a tangible union with real power. more just a concept with some media interest.
>>540913
I have reported it a few local news, neither seem to care. I'm in one of the top 5 worst states and our cases are still surging, unfortunately, what is happening at my store is only a drop in the bucket compared to what people are facing here. But I'm going to continue trying to get this news out to the public. Even if I get caught or fired, the 600 a week unemployment is double what I make now lol

No. 540928

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>>540291

Nobody has ANY time, money, or energy to listen to SJW whining now. LOL everyone LACKS THE SPOONS.

But at the same time, the pepe frog people seem kinda quiet too: where's the meme magic guys?

No. 540951

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What. The. Fuck. USA what are you doing? This is supposed to be New York, the most famous city in the entire world? That's so fucking sad. I also saw a video of miles long lines of cars of people waiting to get free food because they can't afford anything anymore.

No. 540952

>>540917
Kudos to you!

Can I just say how much it enrages me that individuals who endanger other people's health (like that idiot deodorant-licker) are apprehended and charged with bloody TERRORISM, while this corporation endangers a far, far greater number of people every single day without any kind of repercussion. Fuck.

No. 540953

>>540951
Why are people not allowed to make funeral arrangements for their loved ones at all? Thats what Im concerned about. We cant get autopsy results that arent done by government, we cant have funerals even within the distance requirements, we cant be anywhere near our loved ones when they die from this, and our loved ones are being buried in mass graves with no proper claim to their remains. Insane. Literally horror movie tier.

No. 540955

>>540928
they're busy in conspiracy threads

No. 540957

>>540953
Ask A Mortician, and she shall answer.

No. 540959

>>540951
There are millions of people in New York and many don’t have friends or family, that is what mass graves are for until people can be contacted to begin burial services or cremation. And you can’t forget that on top of coronavirus hundreds to thousands of people die every day of other causes.

No. 540960

>>540957
don't link this cringy shit.

No. 540962

>>540951
>the most famous city in the entire world
Just because it’s “famous” doesn’t mean it’s a good place to live in. It used to be “famous” for being a bankrupt shithole in the eighties.

No. 540965

>>540960
You're free not to watch what you don't like. You're not free to mini-mod what content gets posted.

No. 540968

>>540965
lmao, my opinion about your shitty contribution isn't minimodding.

No. 540969

>>540968
NTA, but you clearly told them not to post it. You didnt offer an opinion.

No. 540976

>>540951
>What are you doing?
NYC is not like the rest of the country. What you're seeing is a city with poor infrastructure and governing issues struggle to allocate resources to health professionals while the dead bodies pile up from a dense population that's infected with a novel virus.
>the most famous city in the entire world?
And evidently all the fame and money for what it was worth was not enough to prepare, because it was all about the preventative measures that neither the federal nor state government elected to do until it was too late.
>video of miles long lines of cars of people waiting to get free food because they can't afford anything anymore
The biggest lie about this is believing people could afford food before. People are reaching out to these programs because they've broadened the scope of who they'll accept for assistance due to the pandemic. It was pointless to stand in line for a food bank before because after waiting and filling out an application, you would be told you make $200 above the poverty line pre-tax and therefore you wouldn't qualify for help. People usually skip meals, eat like shit, put costs on credit, or bum food to get by. Same reason why everyone's filing for unemployment. Whereas before the restrictions were so tight for some states you might as well not have bothered to apply. Well, now the floodgates are lifted. The mask has fallen off. The truth is Americans are overworked and poor as dirt for it. The only difference is that before, red politicians had made it impossible for most people to qualify for assistance therefore keeping the numbers of our true poverty state artificially low.

>>540953
>Why are people not allowed to make funeral arrangements for their loved ones at all?
Because when you give people an inch they'll take a mile. Sure most people would follow those rules, but all it takes is one group of selfish nuts to invite hundreds to a funeral service, ignore the distancing regulations, and then thousands of infections. Religious people have proven time and again that they are the worst at preventing the spread of disease.
I don't think anyone will be denied claiming remains once the pandemic is over, but for now, recognize that the deceased are gone and are not in pain. Funeral services are for the sake of the living's feelings and emotions, and those absolutely can wait.

No. 540990

>>540913
nta but I work at Lowes and someone in my store was fired for questioning the cleaning procedures. He said that he didn't think they were cleaning things well enough and he was forced to sign a letter of resignation. These places really don't give a fuck about being clean or protecting employees. This is why it's important for normal people to back off and stop coming inside so much. There is no safety for customers or the people who are forced to work.

No. 540991

>>540976
>NYC is not like the rest of the country. What you're seeing is a city with poor infrastructure and governing issues struggle to allocate resources to health professionals while the dead bodies pile up from a dense population that's infected with a novel virus.
I always thought New York or the east coast in general is the most modern and wealthy part of the US? The south has poverty and terrible obesity, the midwest has gunwielding hicks, Chicago has an extreme amount of gang crime and California has a massive homelessness problem, I can't really imagine that they would fare so much better? Saying "oh it's actually just a New York problem" is kind of delusional.

No. 540994

>>540990
Listen, I know ya'll dont like hearing this but here it is. In this kind of a situation you have two choices. You comply, come online and cry about it, get sick and die. Or, you risk your job by standing up for yourself and your morals, and reporting and fighting the system. This is the ugly truth and nobody wants to hear it or deal with it. Its a shitty situation, but its life.

No. 540997

>>540994
If minimum wage workers had the choice they would stay home. We don't want to be there but people need food and supplies. If we quit or speak out too much we'll be homeless. There is no safety net when you don't earn enough to have more than a month's rent saved.

No. 541000

>>540997
I mean…you're not wrong but it still is what it is at this point. If you come here and post things like "what should I do" but then say I CANT QUIT OR RISK MY JOB, then why are you even asking? Dont quit or risk your job. Risk your life and the life of those you come into contact with instead. We're fucked. Im not even one of the doom posters here trying to scare people. The longer this goes on, the more people die and the more the money runs out for everybody who isnt in the top 1%. One of the two is going to affect you. Death or economic hardship. If not both. Im frustrated too. Its hard to be hopeful.

No. 541002

>>540997
But this not your individual choice between dying from wage slavery or dying from poverty anymore. It's a pandemic.

The choice is between you dying fighting for everyone's rights, or you dying taking down countless innocent customers with you to the grave.

No. 541007

>>540991
>the east coast in general is the most modern and wealthy part of the US?
Again modernity and wealth won't make a difference in a pandemic if governments won't take measures to prevent overwhelm.


Sorry but it is a NYC specific problem, the rest of the United States is not like NYC. For the record, a comparable city like San Francisco is not seeing the amount of devastation like NYC did, and that's because measures were put into effect immediately and early. Their curve is already flattening when NYC hasn't reached peak yet.

No. 541010

>>541002
>taking down countless innocent customers
Nta but that made me gag. She works and said she'll continue working, why do you additionally feel the need to guilt trip her, gross…

No. 541011

>>541010
You say that as if having a conscience is a bad thing.

No. 541013

>>541010
My thoughts exactly. Don't our governments have us perfectly brainwashed to blame each other for not wanting to risk our lives for strangers, instead of blaming our leaders for not doing enough to have protected us while they reaped the rewards of our tax monies that we specifically paid to avoid such crisis?
Baa. Baa.

No. 541015

>>541010
>>541002
Seriously you are saying I'm going to make people sick because I didn't protest enough? How do you think my coworkers are getting sick? It's from customers coming in to have fun because le pandemic is so boring. They are the ones killing us. We aren't allowed to complain, we get fired. When we get fired for speaking out we don't get unemployment because it's considered misconduct. All anyone can do it try to stay in and not overwhelm the stores that are open but apparently the population as a whole is too stupid to understand this. But sure go ahead and blame the people who are still stuck at work.

No. 541016

>>541015
>>541013
I'm blaming the corporations, as should you.
But nobody except their own workers can stand against it because all their power comes from them.

No. 541017

>>540951
Is this not Hart Island? Even before the Pandemic, unclaimed bodies, some within as little as 3 days, end up here. The only peace of mind was that they recently (as of 2017 or so, I believe) allowed relatives to come visit their loved ones buried here, since they do keep records who ends up there.

No. 541019

>>541016
>I'm blaming the corporations, as should you.
They have their blame, certainly. But it's mostly on the government, who view corporations as people and weighed their interests over the lives of all.

We can't even get people to unionize for their own benefit under normal circumstances, there's not gonna be a #wagecuckuprising unless employees start dropping dead en masse.

No. 541021

>>541016
I think the problem is that so many people are out of work right now that if you stand up to The Man there are more people desperate for work who will fill the positions.

No. 541023

>>541016
I agree with you i just think you worded it kinda shitily.
Also both these anons have good points too
>>541019
>>541021
Nobody said the end times were gonna be easy. Just sucks it happened in our lifetime.

No. 541025

>>541019
>who view corporations as people
Ugh, yeah. Only when it benefits them. They sure as fuck aren't getting terrorism charges for exposing people to the virus!

>>541021
That's nothing new. Its a pillar of world economy. See: "They took out jeeeerbs!!1" when talking about poor desperate immigrants willing to do anything for peanuts.

No. 541026


No. 541042

>>540994
this is written by someone who works a cushy upper middle class job or hasn't ever had a job lol

No. 541044

>>541042
I wish. Im currently furloughed and had to file for unemployment. I worked in retail. Im up shit creek like everyone else.

No. 541046

>>541021
whole foods are literally hiring new workers to replace the ones who die rn. this is reality. anonymous people on the internet who think all the workers of the world should rise up has no nuanced opinion on how low wage jobs work. mega-corporations will not give a SINGLE fuck if I, supermarket cashier #3,000,0001 in america quit my job and write a whiny letter about it. they'll just laugh and hire a new person, happy that they have one less potential union maker in their company. to all the anons guilt-tripping cashiers and encouraging us to quit and "save innocent customers", will you pay my lost wages? will you pay for my disabled mother's medicine?

No. 541047

>>541046
I think the point is you're either going to lose money, or you and your disabled mother are going to get sick, possibly severely. There is no winning scenario. Its not about guilt tripping. Its about people coming here and asking what they are supposed to do but clearly already having made the choice to keep their job at the expense of their health and the health of the people they come into contact with. I dont think it makes you a bad person or a murderer like that other anon was seemingly implying. Its just a non sugarcoated uncomfy reality of the current situation and choice people are having to make all over the world. Im hoping those of us that survive can learn from it and hopefully change things but Idk that its even possible at this point because of the people in charge. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. But dont come here crying about it and asking for opinions if you dont actually want opinions that may differ from the path you already decided to take.

No. 541048

>>541046
How many lives are your lost wages worth? How many other mothers is your mother worth?

No. 541050

And now Trump has halted funding to WHO. I hate Trump. On one hand Im sickened by WHO and their inability to properly handle this situation and actually be transparent about what was going on since fucking NOVEMBER. But on the other hand, this isnt punishing them this is literally cutting funding to an organization that is NEEDED to more or less oversee healthcare all over the fucking world. All because Trump is a fucking child. So sick of this shit.

No. 541053

>>541048

nobody is forcing karen to come shopping with no mask and gloves because she's bored and wants to go for a social outing. at least half our customers are NOT buying essentials or even stocking up, they're literally just bored rich people who think reality can't hit them. I am not causing the coronavirus, the malpractice of the corporations with infinitely more money than any of us could ever imagine are. they do not care about keeping customers safe. I do. I change my gloves, disinfect as often as I can, and wear my mask. Be mad at the companies for not caring about workers and customers. Because guess what? If I quit, I will simply be replaced by someone else who probably won't care as much as I do.

No. 541058

>>541053
I agree with everything you said, but I strongly disagree with your defeatism. It's just learned helplessness. Strategically imposed on you by the parasites that cash in on your work so that you dont realize your own power.

Did you ever have a negging boyfriend? This is just like that.

No. 541064

>>541058
To clarify: you as a worker hold the power, regardless of whether you've been duped into thinking you do not.
And who holds the power, holds the responsibility.
I am not mad at you. I depend on you.
This is not a guilt-trip. This is a cry for help.
Only you can stop money-grabbing virus-spreading corporations from behaving unethically.

No. 541091

>>541053
God, the karen insult is so overplayed now it's used just to refer to "women that do annoying things". Shut the fuck up, anon.

No. 541093

>>541091
what's even funnier about this is that it's men out there stocking up on dumb shit like bullets

No. 541098

>>541093
Not to mention that men are the ones who won't wear masks, won't give space, and won't wash their hands properly, let alone wear gloves.

No. 541114

>>541091
lol no it’s literally Whole Foods most the client base is rich suburban soccer moms with an entitled attitude, literally the definition of a Karen

No. 541119

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My parents have officially gone into “we can’t keep the economy closed forever some people might just have to die” stage. I honestly can’t believe I come from people who have such little empathy.

Another thing that’s been bugging me is all the Mao jokes on Twitter coming from privileged white kids. Look I’m pretty archetypal middle class white leftist who doesn’t like landlords but Jesus Christ I can’t believe how tone deaf some of these posts are. These kids advocate for his ideologies but seem to have no idea just what happened in real life. So many of these fucking clowns would be considered ‘black class’ in Zhedong’s eyes but they obviously have never read about what happened past a few deep fried jpegs.

No. 541121

>>541050
The grim bit is that this isn't even the worst thing he's going to do in the coming weeks. He always tops himself.

No. 541128

>>541091
I'm sick of the Karen meme, too, but if anyone's allowed to use it its retail workers.

>>541098
A dude projectile coughed in my path at work yesterday and I had to run away to keep from losing my shit on him. Kinda wish I had.

No. 541144

>>541128
it should just be a retail meme only. the karen archetype very much exists in retail and it's just as bad as everyone says, but the meme has spilled over to just making fun of any woman in that demographic, which is unfair to the nice ones and makes the nasty ones try to claim victim points.

No. 541146

>>541091
>>541144
who gives a fuck about the stupid karen meme like people are disregarding what this person is saying because she used the scary K word oh no now the privileged have an oppressed word. Fuck off.

No. 541150

>>541050
WHO ain't doing shit so why give them money. They only know how to suck on China's dick.

No. 541153

>>541150
Whats the difference in them and Trump in that regard? The problem is Trump is pretending to give a fuck when he was watching this unfolded and acting like it wasnt a big deal too. He was right up China's ass after they threatened to stop trade with us if we didnt apologize for saying the flu originated there. The Chinese government is completely and hopelessly retarded, but because the other government leaders like Trump are too, they have now become the most powerful country. They have power over everyone because everyone has completely outsourced to their cheap counterfeit mass production asses. Trump literally jumped at the chance to have meetings with them after his Wuflu incident. Not because he was sorry or even wrong for calling it what it is. But because he wanted to save face and was scared about trade impact. Now he's offended because people who work for WHO have told him he's spouting wrong and dangerous information, so he's acting like a defiant toddler again. Nothing he does is ever based on reason. Its all based on somebody daring to disagree or criticize him and his inability to handle it because he has the mental capacity of a child. Thats why its dangerous.

No. 541154

>>541146
shut the fuck up you meme-spouting imbecile

No. 541155

Unrelated to anything but just thinking about those anons in the first thread cackling at those of us who were doing the earliest (reasonable, non-hoarding) prepping and taking the virus seriously.
Getting zero pleasure from this "told you so" situation tho.

No. 541156

>>541155
lol i've been thinking about that once in a while too. like that anon who said anyone worried about coronavirus becoming a pandemic was "fapping to doomsday fantasies" or something.

No. 541157

>>541155
haven't prepped shit and life is still very ok, grocery stores have started to return to normal, Easter eggs discounted, haven't spent a single second panicking about corona, am cool besides not being able to hang out with my friends. didn't even have to resort to using kitchen roll as toilet paper!

No. 541162

>>541157
Same here. I took hygiene seriously and didn't think of covid as a joke, but my family never prepped and we never ran out of toilet paper or pasta or anything. People have stopped hoarding and shopping is back to normal, we just do it less often.

I wanna get some easter eggs now…

No. 541163

>>541157
>>541162
The point of stocking up isn't that the grocery store is going to run out of food. It's so you can stay inside and not have to expose yourself to sick people. Also so if you get sick you can self isolate for 2 weeks without needing to get supplies.

No. 541168

>>541163
you stocking up means some other person will have to go without, it is the ultimate selfish action and also retarded bc random stocking up (see tp gate) causes huge ripples. buy what you need, don't contribute to the issue and endanger more vulnerable people.
t. grocery store bitch tired of huge ass deliveries

No. 541169

>>541168
You do realize that there is a difference between stocking up and fucking hoarding right? I have parents who are both over 50 and one has bronchitis. I'm going to take an extra two boxes of oatmeal and an extra two boxes of eggs to avoid having to come back to the grocery store anytime soon.

No. 541170

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No. 541173

>>541168
That wasn't stocking up lmao. People were buying tens of packs of tp only to resell.

No. 541174

>>541170
Makes sense. Scrotes are too preoccupied with scheming to oppress women and minorities to ever do anything good.

No. 541175

>>541169
I don't know if >>541155 is you, but buying some extra oatmeal and eggs isn't difficult rn and there's no need to say 'I told you so' about it… like, even if someone originally didn't want to prep, they could easily just go out today and stock up like you did. Just seems silly to gloat over buying up a few extra items when anyone can do that at any time. We're not going to starve if we didn't do it at the first sign of trouble, and if we WERE going to starve then you'd have to straight up hoard to get through it. And that's a dick move.

No. 541179

>>541175
That wasn't me and I haven't been saying "I told you so" to anyone as I think that's counterproductive and honestly childish. Like another user said, it's about avoiding supermarkets to avoid getting sick and consequently getting others sick, not about not being able to find anything. However in my case, I managed to get those extra items a few weeks ago, but this morning I couldn't find anything on the shelves, and that was at 6:30 am. It might be easy where you live but I have friends who don't have any toilet paper (I gave them some) or basic items like flour and wish that they had gotten extra items earlier in the month. There's an extreme of hoarding and being a piece of shit, and being "above" buying a few more items at the store so that you can stay home like we're being asked to do.

No. 541182

>>541157
>grocery stores have started to return to normal
>>541162
>People have stopped hoarding and shopping is back to normal

No idea where you two anons are but that is so not the case here, it hurts. Our largest grocery chain shrank the meat section down to one cooler with strict restrictions on what you can purchase and it still disappears within an hour.

No. 541190

>>541163
>The point of stocking up is so you can stay inside and not have to expose yourself to sick people.
Nta but a couple weeks ago when all you preppers started losing your minds and emptied supermarkets my mom and many others had to run to every store every day in desperate search for essentials. You sure were of great help in not spreading the virus further by forcing others to spend extra time outside in many more places than usual…

>>541169
I agree with you but
>I have parents who are both over 50
Unless you live in the shittiest african country that means that around a 3rd of the population is older than them, anon… In regards to corona anybody under 60/65 is considered "young". I hope you don't make them feel additionally scared by acting as if their extremely old age makes then extra vulnerable and at risk…

No. 541199

>>541190
You seem really resentful. My dad almost died because of his bronchitis earlier this year and even if he didn't, there is no fucking harm in stocking up, which again, is different from hoarding. You are conjoining two entirely different shoppers and you know that at this point.

No. 541200

>>541190
>a couple weeks ago
please, i did my prepping in january. people who are just now starting to prep aren't even who we're talking about

No. 541202

>>541190
You're literally mad that people were a step ahead of you. There are limits on meat,milk, and eggs now so people aren't even allowed to hoard. The only people to blame are the people who bought a shit load and I promise you those people were fucking boomers or sellers, not people on here who got ahead for the sake of their health and their family's health.

No. 541203

>>541199
> resentful

Imagine being at the hands of people going without food, and potentially getting sick because you’re selfishly hoarding things.
Your dad isn’t the only person on this planet, and he’s certainly not the only person with any kind of existing health condition/concern.

No. 541205

>>541203
Is English your fourth language? Stop using the term hoarding when the poster and the rest of the posters here have made it clear that we bought a few extra items. Your mom and you can wake up earlier or look up the definition of hoarding and the definition of stocking. I sense that you're fat and bitter for some reason let me know if I'm right. xoxo

No. 541206

>>541203
If you were to look in my fridge right now, I have two packs of chicken breast, 2 packs of ground beef,, 2 gallons of almond milk, and three cartons of eggs. We're rationing our food to avoid having to buy more anytime soon. I live in a household of 5 and still need to buy a certain amount of food regardless of the fact that there is low supply. Arrest me I'm a fucking hoarder apparently because I decided to buy two gallons of milk instead of one in light of our governor telling us to stay at home.

No. 541209

>>541199
>>541200
>>541202
>I-I'm not a hoarder I swear, you are just dumb
You sound exactly like those people who tell my coworkers and I that you're not like those crazy others, who buy everything they can get, no, you just happen to suddenly need 10 giant packs of toilet paper, and kilos of flour and pasta…
I know that somebody would nag about me writing weeks instead of February, there it was the worst in my country. But go off, if it makes you feel less guilty.
>You are conjoining two entirely different shoppers and you know that at this point.
>The only people to blame are the people who bought a shit load and I promise you those people were fucking boomers or sellers, not people on here who got ahead for the sake of their health and their family's health.
No, you're literally the same. There are hardly any so evil that they only buy stuff to later make profit out of people's misery, all hoarders claim to only be worried, everybody has one family member who's old or not as healthy. You're not special or an exception because [insert excuse], what you were doing is hoarding. It's normal people like you, who made the situation worse for others, people like you refuse to get that you're just as much at fault as others.
Besides, older boomers actually are the ones who really should hoard to some extent and then stay safely at home because they're more at risk. But no, 20-something lc users with their middle aged parents think they're more important and in need.

>>541206
>a household of 5
And another excuse

No. 541211

>>541205
I wish that it was, because I genuinely wish I couldn’t read the absolute degeneracy on here sometimes.
And no, how can I be fat if all of the other fatties are taking the food?
Stocking up: acquiring a larger amount of food.
Hoarding: acquiring a massive amount of food.

Both of those things are still hurting people at the moment, because there are some families still working regular jobs that literally cannot go early to the store, and cannot go later when there is nothing.
Pathetic. More trips means more human contact, and that means the virus continues to spread. Wear a mask, socially distance yourself, and act like a human.

No. 541212

>>541209
omg go have sex with your mom and shut up no ones gonna read all that shit anyways.

No. 541215

>>541211
"More trips means more human contact" do you even read what you write? That's why people buy A FEW MORE THINGS. Key word "FEW" TO STOP DOING MULTIPLE SHOPS. Someone already made it clear that there are limits to products now so no one is hoarding meaning there's literally just not a lot in stock now. You're about a month late with this hoarding complaint. And by the way, everyone in my family is an essential worker right now whether in a hospital or trucking or a grocery store, so don't make assumptions. My brother doesn't complain like this and only did when he saw people buying loads of toilet roll, not for buying two boxes of oatmeal.

No. 541218

What the fuck is happening in Florida. Anyone live there? Why is the governor a dip shit???

No. 541221

>>541215
> don’t make assumptions
> are you a fatty
If you don’t think what you are doing is wrong, and obnoxious or not applicable to hoarding then why you are even engaging with it?


And my complaint isn’t dated, because as far as I checked we’re still living in the midsts of a pandemic and we haven’t even hit peak yet.



Less human contact for you happens if you “stock up” but doesn’t happen for those who continuously miss out. And yes, like people are actually abiding by those rules as parents and families are sending their kids in to pick things up as well.

No. 541222

>tfw Essential Worker for US DOD

>tfw we’re paid by a middle man contractor company, the bosses are picking and choosing who they want to tele-work (cough not me), and we’re not getting hazard pay.Unemployment benefits pay more than my job does right now


It’s depressing as fuck to get phone calls from federal agencies desperately seeking masks and having to say that there are 0 available.

No. 541224

>>541221
I didn't call you a fatty, that was a different poster kek. I'm the one who said my dad almost died and you said to get over it.

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>>541218
I googled "Florida governor" to try to find out what you're talking about, and I still have no idea, but this was one of the first results. Hilarious.

Florida is such a meme state. I wonder if Florida is even real.

No. 541232

In the first thread it was mostly neets who were talking about hoarding - sorry I mean stocking up - because that means they'll no longer need to go outside at all, unlike all of us dumb non-hoarding wage slaves. They're also posting in other threads about feeling smug that now finally everybody must stay inside and feel depressed like they always do. Then throw in a couple ESL and You must be fat! insults, to feel even better about themselves.
Congrats, enjoy the feeling of superiority for the few months the pandemic will last, if all of this is over, many of us have something to look forward to, while your life will be just as shit and useless as ever.

>>541053
Remember when around 2 weeks ago a lot of people were talking about the sympathy and gratefullness they feel towards supermarket workers? That things need to change because they only now realized how important we are? Guess they've gone back to the usual putting the blame on us, because we're not fighting against big corporations and instead complain about innocent costumers who treat us like shit. What do they want? We supposedly infect them, possibly killing them, but also don't you dare and quit cause otherwise you're at fault for people starving to death. And as a thanks for all that responsibility and burden you earn minimum wage…

No. 541234

>>541050

Putting Trump aside, I think the WHO probably need to worry about getting locked the fuck up.

No. 541238

>>541232
>putting the blame on us, because we're not fighting against big corporations
Not blame, responsibility. Completely different.

Whose responsibility is to fight for your rights?
Yours.

Nobody is ever going to fight for your rights if you yourself don't do it.

This applies to all rights, not just yours as a worker.

No. 541239

Christ, This woman and the comments are pure cancer, Imagine unironically defending Disney

No. 541242

>>540056
>>540060

apparently this is happening in finland as well

No. 541251

>>541232
>everywhere I go, I see muh neets
Seek help. I doubt neets can even afford to prepair like prepper anons did. And no one even remotely said any of that shit you made up to cope with being wrong. We only had 5 threads, we can still go back and look you know.

No. 541257

>>541218
He's literally stupid as shit. If you can stand it, YouTube a clip of him speaking in an official or unofficial capacity.
One of his campaign promises was that he'd name his next child after the President if he was elected. This did not come to pass as it turns out, but voters found it heart warming.
The WWE's owners apparently made huge contributions to his campaign through various political action committees as a lot of their business interests are located in central Florida.

tl;dr send help

No. 541275

>>541203
Malding procrastinating retard mad that people had the brain to prep ahead of time for their loved ones and not panic hoard

No. 541286

>>540154
We're having the same issues in Norway now with Somalis taking a disproportionate amount of the statistics.

Many of them are born in Somalia, came here as a refuge or have been brought over by a family member, can't speak Norwegian (most likely uneducated but that's just my guess. So that makes learning another language tougher later in life), live on social benefits since they can't get any jobs (many, but absolutely not all ofc. I know some bright first/second generation Somali-Norwegians who work and take university degrees), live inter-generational, doesn't interact with other Norwegians, apparently has a culture of everyone visiting a sick person (that's what they themselves have said on TV), and live in the most densely populated parts of downtown Oslo.


So that's a recipe for disaster.

I'm also assuming a lot of them are getting tested now in order to map the situation. I know plenty of ethnic Norwegians who may have Covid19 (sick, coughing, fatigue, fever etc) but haven't been tested so that may also skew the results.

No. 541325

My mother tested positive for Covid and my doctor told me to not waste my time and apparently I'm being reported to the department of health and considered positive without being tested

k

No. 541328

>>541325
If you live together then that sounds pretty prudent, wouldn't hurt to react as if you were confirmed positive even if you don't. Doctors need to ration testing in many countries still.

No. 541344

>>541170
Not shocked at all. This would have been the perfect time line to even have Hillary as president, as much as i dont really care for her. it's depressing. everything trump is doing will kill our nation and people in the long run. I wish we would get a competent woman leader.

No. 541346

>>541325
Yeah if you live together that makes sense because covid is very contagious and we don't have enough tests to test everyone atm.

No. 541352

>>541325
Thirding the other anons. If you're in an area that needs to conserve tests, it makes sense to automatically assume you're positive, given how contagious it is, and how younger people are often asymptomatic.

No. 541354

>>541170
The gender scientifically proven to generally be more empathetic and better long-term thinkers are preferable leaders to have during a pandemic? How shocking.

No. 541355

>>540917
Hang in there, anon! this is so worrying. I work at starbucks and one of our near by stores had one case recently and we are told not to discuss it, but it makes me worried. I dont think anyone is taking this shit seriously because they think they are untouchable.

Amazon is so vile. I hate that it was reported that the owner made over 6 billion dollars just since the start of corona because people buying out of fear. i am worried for our nation. The president is shit and doesnt care and most people are idiots who are uneducated or selfish.

No. 541394

More explanations about the infection rate and methods to lower it.

No. 541404

anyone elses fast food lines are dumb long? starbucks, chikfile, etc all have lines looping around the streets. how stupid can people get?

No. 541409

>>541211
God shut up. If its really the end of civilization as we know it, it doesnt fucking matter. People arent trying to be polite over taking care of them and theirs and surviving. Suck it up buttercup.

No. 541412

>>541394
This guy is definitely not an epidemiologist. He talks about "beating" the virus and stopping the spread. This has become impossible when it became a pandemic. No matter how strictly and how long we implement measures, there will always remain a reservoir somewhere in the world - some remote village in India or something like that - from which it will in no time spread everywhere again since it's so contageous. His source for this video is his ass.

No. 541414

What is the fraction of people in your country who is respecting the terms of social isolation?
According to thunderf00t, if one sixth of the population in your country isn't respecting the terms, then the rate of spreading is over 1.055 and then the virus can't be stopped.
When the country goes back to normal life the rate has to be kept below 1.055 in order for the virus to be eradicated.

No. 541415

>>541409
It’s definitely not the end of civilization, so it would be just a little nice if people acted rationally.

No. 541418

>>541415
But making sure you have enough stocked up so you dont have to leave the house for the entirety of a pandemic IS rational anon.

No. 541420

>>541414
What part of "PANdemic" do you and thundercunt don't understand?
You're talking about individual countries, but this shit is GLOBAL.
You can't "clean" it by country, it will get back in in no time. We're long past the time of being able to eradicate it without a vaccine.

No. 541421

>>541409
yes it's gon be proper water world in 2 months, hope you have got your pool noodles and rice ready!

No. 541423

>>541412
What you say is true, in fact the 2003 SARS virus has been identified again in horseshoe bats in a cave in the province of Yunnan, China.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-07766-9

But, if the virus can't be "beaten" or people can't get immunization, it means that around 1% of the world population (around 70 million people) could die due to the infection.
In fact, the 2009 swine flu infected about 15% of the world population at the time (around 1 billion people) in a year and a half, with a total of at least 500 thousand deaths.

The thing is: can a vaccine be created in time, if needed, before too many people get infected?
And can hospitals take proper care of those who are infected?
Flattening the curve doesn't prevent deaths, it ensures hospitals can manage an acceptable number of patients.

No. 541427

>>541409
Holy shit, I'm on team prepping, but you're being fucking insane. It's not the end of civilization, a lot of people are gonna die and the economy is gonna be down for a bit. It sucks, but it's not the apocalypse. Get a grip.

That being said, the takeaway from this entire situation is that people absolutely should be stocking their homes as much as they can. Not just for themselves, but to avoid having to go outside and potentially spreading it to other people. When things calm down, people need to prepare in case shit gets real again. Everyone makes fun of doomsday preppers, but know who's not struggling to get food right now? Fucking doomsday preppers.

No. 541430

>>541423
Ntayrt, theres no way a vaccine could be developed and distributed to a significant portion of the population in less than a year (tbh probably gonna be a lot longer than a year) so yes a lot of people are going to die.

No. 541431

I'm not having problems finding food. IMO most people complaining about no food are the ones who want to pick and choose, not because the stores are bare ass empty with nothing to buy to eat–if they're from a first world country that is.

Paper products and sanitation products are still super annoying to obtain in contrast. These are genuinely the products that are constantly bought out and empty. I think store restrictions are stupid and can be easily bypassed.
Ex. "One package of tp per cart."
Lol okay, well I'm sure a couple can split up and get their separate carts and check out as if they're separate people. They'll walk away with two packages when they rendezvous in the parking lot. There's really no way to enforce it. Secondly, grocery stores are having problems getting approved stock in the first place because now there's shortages. What solution could there be that people won't flip tits over?

No. 541433

>>541404
Why places like starbucks are even still open during this shitty time is beyond me. i stocked up on coffee and make it at home. i hate people

No. 541485

I got my stimulus check today!

I don’t think many of us will pay it back next year either due to low funds or simply won’t.

No. 541493

>>541218
DeSantis is handling the pandemic terribly, but that's to be expected since policy-wise he's basically just Trump 2. He's actually even put pressure on local governments to loosen restrictions on businesses and public gatherings.
We're actually doing really well despite DeSantis though. Most of the state is not predicted to run out of hospital beds or PPE and people are taking social distancing pretty seriously (probably because there are so many old people here).

No. 541498

>>541485
I thought we weren't supposed to be paying it back at all? I hope.

No. 541506

>>541498
I hope so too anon, but supposedly that was on the news according to my brother.

No. 541525

>>541506
Fuck no your brother is full of shit. No way they'd make people repay a stimulus check.

No. 541526


No. 541536

>>541526
Ooh, that's Hannah Fry, I love her, she's so smart and cute

No. 541541

>>541536
If you are a Hannah Fry fan and want some more corona content she was on this podcast recently talking about corona http://numberphile.libsyn.com/website/crystal-balls-and-coronavirus-with-hannah-fry

No. 541559

>>541418
This.
Are the anons freaking out and accusing those who stocked up the same ones who were laughing in the first thread and didn't prep, and now have to take it out like this?

And I don't think anyone is being smug. I feel bad for the people who didn't believe how things were going to get. "Prepping" for me was just making sure I had the essentials (without any hoarding that'd be out from someone else's supplies). And telling friends and family to take this seriously, to not travel and pay more attention to hygiene.

No. 541595

Any anons living abroad, but originally US citizens? I pay taxes, but have lived in Australia for 7 months now. I am only a US citizen, and have just filed taxes (though I didn’t last year or year before)

Anyone know if expats are getting the stimulus as well?
It’s an oddly specific question, but figured I would ask.

No. 541598

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/birth-under-coronavirus-coma-trnd/index.html
>27 years old, pregnant not fat
>was careful and took precautions but still caught corona
>a cough progressed into fever and had to go to the hospital
>went immediately into ICU and 3 days later put on a ventilator
>had to induce premature labor to give her more lung capacity and nutrients
>comatose for the first 5 days of the baby's life and wasn't conscious for the birth
>still can't see her own baby because it's in quarantine
>literally missing out on formative natal bonding

Still can't understand the pregnancy crowd who still think this is nbd like this won't touch them if they get pregnant right now as if this virus will be gone within the next year anytime soon. Fucking horrifying.

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No. 541635

>>541170
>>541344
Same, I don't love Hillary Clinton but I keep thinking about those ads from when she was running against Obama that were like "It's 3AM and the phone in the White House is ringing, who do you want to pick up?">>541344

No. 541644

>>541170
Other then Germany most of these nations are either very isolated and or are literal Islands, so I mean thier's that

No. 541646

So I got my stimulus money today, horay. But my dependent kinda oblivious sister is upset for a stupid reason.

She tells me she didn't get anything so I simply asked her which account did she deposit her taxes into, cuz that is where her stimulus money is. Says she doesn't know… what kind of person doesn't know? So after 10 minutes she tells me "I don't know! Mom filed my taxes for me!"

I looked at this 33 year old woman in confusion who needed her mother… to file her taxes for her. So after some digging, my mom had put my sisters tax return in her account, and just gave my sister some money. I'm baffled. So I asked my mom. She does have my sisters stimulus money, but she wont give it to her.

So I just told my sister it's between her and my mom because I couldn't deal with all that stupid in one room.
Stupid from both my sister and my mom

No. 541648

>>541644
Yeah and for Norway, Iceland, Finland and New Zealand, these are countries with some of the lowest population densities in the world which I'm sure plays a large part.

No. 541650

>>541170
Probably the fact that these are also extremely wealthy countries with highly robust and for a lot of them maybe the worlds most socialised healthcare systems is more likely the reason..

No. 541651

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I don't get munchie logic. My mom is a massive munchie who's convinced that she's got/going to get coronavirus and die. She's jobless and sits around at home all day so she should be fine, right?

She decides to invite a 'friend' who she hasn't seen in like 16 years to come from out of state (about 800 miles away) to stay with her.

No. 541659

>>535839
My mayor is sooo quick to give uplifting updates without any real evidence. She said we hit the peak just because our cases went down from yesterday and the day before. That happened a week ago and they spiked right back up.

No. 541663

My brother has been a little bitch about the safety measures because of (????????) And it doesn't matter how many times everyone has told him he keeps acting like a stupid rebel teenager

I heard my mom coughing today and I am so fucking paranoid

I am tearing up just typing this, both of my parents are very much in the risk group and if they end up not making it, I don't know what I am going to do, I might kill myself

No. 541665

>>541650
>>541648
Then why is Sweden going tits up despite being wealthy with low population density?
Oh yeah, it's because they're doing fuck all.

No. 541666

>>541665
as if Sweden is comparable? Yeah I think Sweden is doing worse because they aren't doing a lockdown not because they have a male PM, it's also too early to really make statements like this - things may change a lot if countries doing a lockdown have second/third waves etc

No. 541677

>>541650
>wealthy
>socialized health care
And why is that? Maybe because people in those countries are smart enough to realize that being lead by a woman is a good thing? With countries who are doing shit like the USA, UK, etc people are quick to blame their leaders Trump, Johnson and Co. but when random countries across the world are doing good them having female presidents is suddenly just a coincidence and not cause for the state of said countries… If we critizise nations' heads because of how they act during corona, we should also praise whose who are doing a good job.
You can say what you want about Merkel, but she didn't listen when institutions told her we need to reduce the number of hospitals in Germany - and she didn't waste our money by celebrating sex parties with prostitutes either…
It's not like we're saying "Oh Germany does so well, why is Afghanistan doing shit?", we're only comparing rich/european countries. There are so many other countries who are wealthy or less dense in population but if you vote for shitlords, what else to expect…

No. 541679

>>541666
The point of the article was that women leaders took strict action sooner instead of dismissing the virus. That they haven't done anything yet only confirms that.
Finland has only 70 deaths, Sweden has 1200 despite the epidemic starting at the same time in both countries. Let that sink in.

No. 541681

>>541679
most of these Swedish deaths are disproportionally from refuges though

No. 541683

>>541679
There is literally so many variables between the two other than the PM’s gender though and it’s stupid and dishonest to act as if it can be summed up by simply the head of state being a woman, I hate those pandering articles

No. 541752

>>541679
Isn't Finland's population way more spread out than Sweden?

No. 541764

>>535839
I can't I can't I can't. Trump is so fucking dumb and senile I'm honestly starting to go insane just listening to his press conferences. Opening up the country before May 1st? In what fucking world.

"We'll be the comeback kids! All of us. All of us"

Please shut up.

No. 541767

>>541646
That was an amazing story. It really kept me on the edge of my seat with all its twists and turns.

No. 541768

>>541752
Not that anon but yes but also the HUS area where the vast majority of the positives are from includes the capitol which is ofc more condensed compared to the rest.

No. 541771

>>541683
nice try scrote(hi scrote)

No. 541835

>>541598
My sister and her husband were trying for their first child before the pandemic began. They have now decided to put it on hold for obvious reasons. I'm sad for them because they were really looking forward to it. And so did I, now who knows when I'll become an aunt.

But I hear people saying stuff like we'll have a baby boom because of everyone getting it on in isolation? I don't think they thought that through well.

Who wants to have a baby when hospitals and the healthcare system are in dire straits? Who wants to have a baby when there's a novel virus threat and there is no cure or vaccine? Who wants to have a baby when they're suddenly out of a job and the entire world economy is about to go into a recession?

No. 541850

>>541835
Like you said it's a terrible time to actively plan a pregnancy given hospitals are already struggling, so many people have lost their jobs and we don't know what the situation will look like next year.. but plenty of women either plan babies or pretend to have a 'pill oopsie' when they are purely bored and looking for some meaning in their day to day life.

It's stupidly short sighted but I already know too many women who've secretly planned an oopsie pregnancy and barely even thought about important issues like income or stability. The boredom right now will encourage people like that.

No. 541867

I went to Target the other day and they only allowed 1 paper product per purchase, so you can't buy a single roll of paper towels and a single roll of toilet paper in the same purchase.

I guess you can go another day to buy the other one, but that seems kind of ridiculous when you should be encouraging people to stay home. Limiting the purchase of those items is fine, but at least let people buy what they need.

No. 541883

>>541867
It's very frustrating but there are supply issues and they're just trying to make sure what stock they get gets to as many people as possible.

No. 541892

>>541867
idk man but a few people taking all of it so that other people have to keep returning to the store to see if it´s back in store seems equally if not more unproductive. They´ve gotta do what they´ve gotta do when there´s limited supply.

No. 541894

>>541835
>Who wants to have a baby when hospitals and the healthcare system are in dire straits?
>etc.

you're overestimating human intelligence and common sense

No. 541910

>>541883
>>541892
I understand anons, just venting a bit. Having to make several trips just because of dumb hoarders is pretty annoying. I've also been shopping for my elderly neighbors so they don't have to go out, and having to go to so many different stores for basic necessities is rustling my jimmies.

No. 541918

>>541894
Yeah I live in a country where welfare payments for single mothers or non-working parents are on the generous side so seeing as lots of people have lost their jobs to this.. I can easily see some young women saying fuck it I'll just plan a baby now. "Easier than looking for a new job"

No. 541923

>>541646

Kek maybe she’s just taking her due accountant fees

No. 541927

>>541646
I think that's pretty shitty of your mom. Does your sister live with them or something? She should still give her the full amount, it's not right to keep it no matter how stupid she is.

No. 541940

>>541894
common sense is thrown out the window when instincts tell you to self preserve via breeding during a dangerous time. A lot of people don't use common sense and go by laws of nature. Freakin animals

No. 541945

>>541923
that's what I told my mom before I gave up. It's her money, let her fuck up on her own. And no, my sister lives with me. I make her clean and pay her own bills, I also got her to pays some of the rent. small stuff

It's a weird situation. My mom told my sister she paid her car (She did) and tomorrow she's giving my sister 300 bucks. My sister is kind of like an adult child where she hates responsibilities like paying her bills on time. It's something I've been working on with her for the past year since she moved in. My mom thinks my sister is going to spend the stimulus money right away. But that's really up to my sister to fuck up her life and she can't really parent a grown woman.

I even had to lecture my sister to wake the fuck up and she's in this situation because she didn't want the responsibilities of handling her own finances. They are going to talk tomorrow. I don't think anyone is right in this situation. Cuz if my mom did her taxes, she has all my sisters information which is very unsettling since she's a controlling parent.

No. 541951

>>541945
Does your sis have an intellectual disability?

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>>541598

I was just talking with my mum about this. I feel truly sorry for people working in the medical field right now because in a few months they will have to handle all those pregnant women as well, while already taking care of the masses of sick people. I can't find it now but I've also read a story where a child was born with the virus. People who insist to have a child right now are just plain stupid and probably going to cry the loudest when they or the child get sick because of the virus. Not blaming those who got pregnant before all that, but also sad because as read in the posted story here, those things can and will happen to some people.

>pic unrelated

No. 541955

People keep showing up to protest when the govener gives his daily covid update. Some of them bring their kids. I looked through one tweet thread from the governors twitter, full of "I won't wear your masks! You're pushing fear and I won't be a mindless sheep to your new world order! My kids and I will never take your vaccine" and the other half is sperging about how them trying to slowly re-open the state "doesn't make any sense, now thousands will die". Christ. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to try to keep millions of people safe while also attempting to follow the federal gov demanding the economy open immediately. Tons of other states are doing worse than Ohio but every single thing they do people act like it's the worst decision. And most people at work don't even follow the 6 ft rule. Idk, people are wild, go ahead and get sick because you think the virus is fake and think you're the only smart one who can see the new world order coming, idc less annoying people the rest of us have to deal with.

No. 541975

My friend who works at Walmart texted me and said there's tons of people in there right now, whole families out spree spending after they got their stimulus checks yesterday. People are buying TVs, trampolines, basketball goals, and smart phones. Entire families with multiple children, both parents. He said he's scared he's going to get sick and die. I hate people. Can't wait to go to work later and get infected because people are bored, stupid and entitled. I also hope those idiots don't complain about not having money later. Assholes.

No. 541977

>>541677

I wonder how Thatcher would've handled Covid?

It's a bit weird to have spent my whole life being told "who told you life is fair?" and tough fucking shit, but ohhhhh nooooo 0.01% of cunts can't survive covid better literally shut down everything.

No. 541981

>>541951
Nope. Just had people do everything for her since forever

No. 541982

>>541977
This is because you've been told these things by people who wanted to exploit you for profit.

The virus is a threat to everyone indiscriminately, even the profiteers. Hence the change of tune.

No. 541991

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>>541955
I live in an area that's been highly impacted by 'rona and have seen for myself what it means for it to course through a community.

I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the federal government's treatment of the pandemic and the bootlickers who are too blinded by their devotion to the president to understand that the constant fumbling has condemned thousands of people to death and incredibly frustrated with those who believe that states' response to COVID-19 is a plot to make Trump look bad, that it's no worse than the flu, etc. and as such business as usual should resume.

The protest in MI was the final straw. At this point I genuinely hope that the restrictions are lifted across most of the country so that the skeptics get to directly experience the consequences of their ideology for once. I never thought I'd get to a point where I would basically wish death on anyone, but I just can't handle the smug siege mentality morons holding this country hostage anymore. Let them have what they asked for.

No. 541993

>>541991
…and as I wrote this, an ambulance backed into my condo's driveway. Great.

No. 541999

>>541993
You timed that perfectly.

No. 542003

>>541999
I know right? Maybe I should stop wishing ill on people if this is what happens…
In seriousness though, living in a hard-hit area isn't pretty; I see at least one ambulance per day, including those responding to deaths at home, and hear many more. This has the potential to cause a lot of trauma for even those who survive it unscathed.

The stupid fucking protesters want an even worse version of this so that they can buy lawn fertilizer and spend three hours inhaling fried chicken at the Golden Corral? These selfish pieces of shit deserve exactly what they're asking for. It's a shame that so many innocents would die in the process.

No. 542024

>>542019
>we need to find a “balance” between people dying protective measures and having a stable economy.
This is a reasonable stance itself. Poverty kills people too. And not just the old and frail. It's a delicate balancing act between the two to find an approach that will lead to the least casualties.

No. 542061

>>541683
Its not pandering. Women and men are socialized differently and right now it's showing big time. It's funny that when Hillary fucks up it's because women are dumb but when a bunch of women do something it's suddenly not about sex

No. 542062

>>541850
Col story but statistically men trick women into pregnancies as much as women do men. It's a form of abuse. Educate yourself(samefagging/ derailing)

No. 542067

I hate going on social media and seeing people, especially rich influencer types, saying they’re so bored and just doing random shit around their house or wasting time. I get a lot of people are unemployed but it’s so annoying as an “essential worker” working full time to see people complaining about not having anything to do. Like haha we get it you’re so lazy and it’s sooo hard to watch tv and play video games all day boo hoo let me cry for you after I’m done working for minimum wage and risking my fucking life and only getting a “thank you” from a google home page or some other useless gesture

No. 542068

>>541981
Ntayrt but you're a saint for letting her live with you.

No. 542069

>>542062
Nta but source please, because unless you count countries where women have no access to abortion and no autonomy to even be able to take a shit when they want, theres no way its as common for a male to "trick" a female into letting him impregnate her lol. Most men arent out here dumping out BC pills in the toilet because they're not trying to have to pay child support or go through all the trouble just to have her abort the child anyway. Whereas all a woman has to say is that shes on BC before a sexual encounter to get pregnant. And I know several who have. Including lying to their own husbands.

No. 542071

>>542069
NTA but my abusive ex poked holes in our condoms because he thought I'd be stuck with him if I had a baby. Men certainly do try to lock women down by getting them pregnant.

>>542067
They need to raise hazard pay so it seems worth it.

No. 542072

>>542071
Im not denying it doesnt happen. But to say its as common and as easy for males to trick another person into hosting a fetus as it is for a female to simply lie and say she took BC is nonsensical.

No. 542087

I live in the Midwest of u s of a. My college shut down before our county even had a confirmed case. It might have been the end of March before we had a case, and the last update I saw we now have 7 confirmed cases. Obviously these numbers mean nothing though…
I got a text from the president of my school saying that I had been recorded coming in contact with someone who is now showing symptoms of the virus. That person was tested and it came back 'unspecified'. I'm still being encouraged to self isolate which I intend on doing. Itll be weird to tale this so seriously because so many people around here do not give a fuck at all about social distancing or staying at home. I feel like my state is headed toward a rapid spike in cases. So many small towns have entire populations that work at one factory (like a specific Tyson chicken plant) that handled sick employees terribly.. most employees are illegal immigrants so they don't care if they live or die as long as chickens are being slaughtered. But those employees go home to their families and their families go and fuck around in the stores and get together for Easter because no one is taking this shit seriously because ambulances are constantly streaming through the streets. Yet.

No. 542099

>>542072
i agree tbh. hell a woman can just take the condom after and stick the jizz in and get pregnant that way. that's why so many men flush condoms.

No. 542105

I’m really tired of liberals on Twitter acting like criticizing the CCP is racist and I’m also really tired of right wing nut jobs actually being racist when criticizing China. They act like their government’s actions is a reflection on the average Chinese citizen rather than a group of average people suffering because of a corrupt entity, and ignoring the fact that the US government is doing the exact same thing to us.

No. 542108

>>542099
That's a myth. Sperm can only live outside of the human body for a few minutes until it dries up.

No. 542114

this general is 5% about corona

this is why you all crawl elsewhere, attention whores.

No. 542120

I might be missing something but I feel kind of worried and confused about all the articles saying that social distancing and certain lockdown measures will need to be in place for years. I don't understand why, especially after the peak, that would need to happen. I dont understand why just the vulnerable, who would overwhelm the nhs, could not be on lockdown, or social distancing, as oppose to the whole of society? I also do think the NHS needs to be protected but at what cost, like the reality is the NHS hasn't been saved and isn't functioning if the only people they're treating are COVID patients, me and so many people I know have had important appointments cancelled, including things like cancer biopsies, even cancer surgeries. I don't know the benefit of having a functioning NHS (but not really, just a functioning ICU for COVID patients) if literally everything other system in the country crumbles?

I also don't understand articles and politicians making definitive, conclusive statements about 'the only way out is a vaccine' at this point, how can that be known? It's thought a huge portion of people are symptom-less, and also that a huge percentage of the country have had the virus, so we may have herd immunity, we can't know without mass antibody testing, we need to know the amount of people who have had the virus, it's a huge gap in the data that needs to be answered and prioritised. I've never felt any kind of anti-vax sentiment before in my life but I just think the statement that 'we absolutely can ONLY go back to normal after the vaccine', at this early point, doesn't make sense and I don't get what purpose they are saying it for?

No. 542124

>>542120
I want to say it’s because they’re unsure if there’s a possibility of reinfection in recovered patients and if this stain could mutate quickly. I also think they’re emphasizing doing antibody tests over vaccines because testing for antibodies is much quicker than waiting around for an approved vaccine. But of course resources are scarce and they want to focus on regular COVID testing for right now. I keep hearing conflicting reports about these issues though so I think everyone is just as unsure as you are.

No. 542125

>>542120
The "it's going back to normal after we find a vaccine" is the new "it's going back to normal after two weeks".
They're trying to give people hope for some tangible end to their woes so they don't freak out. In reality we don't even know if a vaccine is possible. It's a good strategy for lowering panic and dissent.

No. 542127

>>542125
How would a vaccine not be possible?

No. 542131

>>542120
It's possible they are trying to emphasize that it's serious so people don't keep acting like idiots going outside and infecting each other because they heard it's not a big deal and we are free to go back to normal on x date. Truth is without a vaccine it won't go away on it's own and we will need one to keep the numbers down. It will mutate and change but the case numbers will be lower and that will allow things to return to normal. It is possible that after more is known (like if you have immunity and for how long it lasts) that things will change. It will take time, I wouldn't set my heart on any particular time for when things let up.

No. 542136

>>542127
Mutations. A strain was already discovered by Taiwanese and Australian scientists that has a mutation on the part of the virus the vaccines are trying to target.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.09.034942v1

>This represents the first report of a significant SARS-CoV-2 mutant, and raises the alarm that the ongoing vaccine development may become futile in future epidemic if more mutations were identified.

No. 542144

>>542136
The seasonal flu is like this too. Stop fear mongering, greedy vampires are too invested in getting business up and running to not fund a vaccine. And yes the flu vaccine changes frequently too.

No. 542145

>>542144
jesus I'm sick of people comparing this to the flu. YES the flu does the same but the flu isn't as deadly as this. So it's an issue and it's an additional issue on top of the flu . We basically have two viruses going around at the same time instead of one to worry about indefinitely.

No. 542149

>>542144
I am not fearmongering, I'm providing information. It's not my fault it scares you.

No. 542155

>>542149
strangely I'm not scared about anything of this currently, you're the one that called it fear mongering when the person was also providing information. The truth is it's better to admit that we don't fucking know what the future holds because it's not like any of the people who were calling this the flu a month ago were anywhere near being correct

No. 542160

>>542155
>you're the one that called it fear mongering when the person was also providing information.
What? No. You're very confused.

No. 542163

So…when do you anons think this will be officially over?

No. 542164

>>542163
In a decade. Takes about 5 years to develop a vaccine, but with the current retarded affairs (special nomination: anons itt) it's gonna take the double amount of time.

No. 542165

>>542164
>Takes about 5 years to develop a vaccine
[citation needed]

No. 542166

>>542164
Is there any risk that this vaccine will be rushed? Because some estimations say maybe a year for a vaccine but like you said it can often take over 5 years. The current conditions can't be maintained for 5 years or even 1 year probably. I'm worried they may be so desperate to end it they may rush a vaccine that has later complications

No. 542171

>>542145
Nobody said this is like the flu retard, anon is talking about mutation changes that occur with all viruses.

No. 542173

>>542166
I would really like to know this too.

I specifically don't trust the money hungry big pharma, they've always had profits in mind before people. It's ironic that the companies that created the opioid epidemic are now responsible for curing a pandemic.

No. 542222

>>542165
You have to do a lot of tests in the form of trial and error when you develop a vaccine, this is common sense? Since y'all crawled out to other threads and sticked to blogging nonsense here I'm contemplating whether I should actually give a proper scientific source, have instead an assignment quiz about vaccines, you'll learn a thing or two: https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
>>542166
They're rushing with conclusions every second, I'm afraid they're doing it even right now.

No. 542224

>>542166
This is a concern among researchers too. From a public health perspective, the worst possible outcome is a BAD vaccine, because it will destroy public trust in the vaccination process and even if you make a good one later, nobody will want to risk taking it. The people who make them are adamant that vaccine trials cannot be rushed, but it's not clear if governments are happy with that answer.

IMO what we really want is effective treatments for Covid-19 first. If we have reliable treatments then researchers can start thinking about faster vaccine trials where they deliberately expose people to the disease to test immunity. At the moment that's not possible because if the vaccine fails and people get sick, we have no way to treat them if it becomes severe. With effective treatments available, we could also start to lift lockdown measures without a vaccine, which reduces the risk of trials being rushed.

No. 542233

>>542222
This is the second time you complain about blogposting, but the thread literally says "Share tips, local updates, vent about people coughing on each other, etc".

Just ignore the posts that don't interest you, and keep posting what does. If you're posting info, it's preferable you source it.

No. 542237

>>542120
I'm a medfag who works in NHS, basically the NHS has been operating at capacity for the last few years, this virus has increased demand and will continue to increase demand until we can either trace everyone who's infected and everyone who's immune or until we have an effective vaccine and the vast majority of the population has received it.

Because this is a RNA virus (flu is also a RNA virus) this means the virus will likely mutate frequently and so we will not be able to sustain immunity to it so it will come back frequently and infect the population again and we will need a new vaccine for it like we need a yearly vaccine for flu.

Unfortunately this virus is very contagious and has a significantly higher mortality/morbidity rate than flu so it puts a significant portion of people who get it in hospital, and a lot of these people need to be in ICU which demands a lot of resources.

No. 542374

>>542068
I wouldn't call myself that. I'm almost 30 myself and I want to live my own life. I'm getting tired of dealing with family affairs and in the next year I'm just moving to live by myself or with a partner and cuttin ties.

No. 542388

Wow, what a fucking creep.

>DR OZ: "Schools are a very appetizing opportunity. I just saw a nice piece in The Lancet arguing the opening of schools may only cost us 2 to 3%, in terms of total mortality. Any, you know, any life is a life lost, but … that might be a tradeoff some folks would consider."


Nobody "accidentally misspeaks" like this. Where's the zipper on this reptillian's human suit?

No. 542401

>>542388
Lol what the actual fuck

Who let him speak? Who let him out of area 51?

No. 542426

I’ve explained to my mum MULTIPLE TIMES why we need to wipe down groceries when we come home. Not fresh stuff that can be rinsed, but packaged goods or containers that can be wiped down with like a clorox wipe or a paper towel soaked with lysol. It takes like 5 minutes and I do it every time I come back from the few times I go out. I constantly remind them to do it and every single time they JUST!!! WON’T!!

My mum just came back from grocery shopping with snacks and just left them in my room and I asked “did you wipe them down?” and she said “not yet” and left them on the floor. IF NOT YET, LEAVE THEM BY THE ENTRANCE BEFORE YOU BRING THEM IN!!! What is the point of “not yet” if you are bringing in potentially contaminated things into an uncontaminated space!! I don’t know who the fuck touched what in the supermarket, so I’m going to wipe that shit down before I bring it in! My parents also managed to buy a big 5 pack of clorox wipes, what’s the point of buying these if you AREN’T GOING TO USE THEM?!

My parents have a ridiculous amount of underlying health conditions, and I’ve been scrubbing my hands raw and wiping down everything as much as I can to keep our home safe and they just won’t!! stop fucking about!! Excuse me!!!! Do you not understand just how vulnerable and fucked you’ll be if you catch this shit? Can you PLEASE fucking care about your own well being for like two seconds and just WIPE! DOWN! THE GROCERIES!

No. 542432

Heres a good and recent podcast (from Science Vs) about whether you can get covid twice and explains a bit about immunity and a bit about why current testing can be unreliable - https://pca.st/wtt8g4fd

No. 542433

>>542426
I live alone but haven't been wiping down groceries when I get home, are most people?

No. 542435

>>542426
I've just been setting my groceries that aren't perishable in the corner and leaving them for a few days until the virus dies off. I can't find any extra cleaning supplies so I'm trying to save my bleach for door handles, faucets, cell phones and light switches. I'm also paranoid that bleach will seep into my food. Would your parents be willing to sort of quarantine their food when they get it so at least time can do what cleansers would?

No. 542437

>>542435
Yeah this. I think the virus can't survive on surfaces after so many days, and realistically most new groceries I'm buying I'm not using right away anyway. I'd rather save my wipes for my phone, door handles, keys, etc. Mainly stuff that I know I will be touching a lot and expose to way more.

Though who knows how frequently OP's parents are pawing the groceries so soon.

No. 542442

>>542433
I started wiping down groceries in the last couple weeks.
With gloved hands I take all the groceries out the bags and then sit them on my kitchen counters then take my gloves off and wash my hands.
I then put on new gloves and I just wipe the groceries down with disposable cleaning wipes (sorry environment) and let the goods air-dry on the counters.
Then I take off the disposable gloves and wash my hands again, put on gloves to clean the counters, wash hands and rinse the unpackaged stuff like fruit and shit once its dry and then wash my hands again.

It's a process for sure.

No. 542453

>>542432
So you probably can't get two coronas successively. That's a good thing. But you can get two coronas at the same time apparently:

https://grapevine.is/news/2020/03/24/patient-infected-with-two-strains-of-covid-19-in-iceland/

Iceland is actually very interesting to keep an eye on. They have a small enough population and big enough resources to do a lot of quality testing. They're sort of the World's test tube nation now.

No. 542477

>>542388
I'd rather be ruled by reptilians than these human monsters; at least reptilians have a reason to be so callous.

I'm so, SO done with tptb and the smugly ignorant Americans gobbling up their bullshit, so done. I hope they get what they're asking for and more. The response to COVID-19 has turned me into the kind of angry radical sperg that I hate the most but my tolerance has been emptied.

No. 542499

>>542388
Boomers would rather watch “celebrities” like Dr Oz and Dr Phil instead of actual scientists and doctors. And ofc because of Fox News none of them started taking the virus seriously until 30k Americans were dead. Fuck this gay earth

No. 542501

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>>542388
>>542401
>>542477
Pantshitters on reddit currently throwing a smokescreen of semantics so they can feel r/iamverysmart.
>UM EXCUSE ME HE DIDNT SAY A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE ARE EXPENDABLE GOD, LIBEL JOURNALISM, IF YOU DONT BAN PEOPLE FROM DRIVING THEN YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE

The last comment in particular is really fuckin' hilarious because they're acting like telecommuting is something we SHOULDN'T be majorly considering as a societal shift. Why yes, we should consider working from home more. Why yes, we should consider work from home during bad flu seasons. Retards.

No. 542507

>>542501
Lord, they're as autistic as that lizard man. It's not what he said (those are grave decisions that will have to be made), it's HOW he said it. Without a shred of empathy and in a scandalous manner, not to mention he was almost giddy. "Getting our mojo back" oh yeah!

No. 542511

>>542501
>>542507
Reddit is a cargo cult to 'logic and reason'; a lot of redditors seem to get a chubby over pretending that things like emotion and tact are signs of weakness.
>facts don't care about your feelings!!!!

No. 542523

Someone said that in 2 weeks lockdowns will be over, is this true? If so, what's gonna happen to society now that their grandpas and grandmas will pass away? I assume economy will get a quick fix.

No. 542525

>>542523
Yep, it's true where I live.

No. 542527

>>542525
And where do you live? How do you know it's not gonna get extended again, assuming you are in France

No. 542529

>>542523
In the UK they just announced lockdown will continue for at least the next 3 weeks and have stated they won't lift lockdown until we see a consistent decrease in covid cases and our scientific advisors need to be confident of this (SAGE) so… might be months who fucking knows, it's like asking how long is a piece of string.

No. 542530

>>542527
I know that in Canada, they will send people back to school.

No. 542531

This whole corona situation made me realize again how little I care about preserving my own life.
I do avoid going out and I'm worried about other people and family, but I just don't value myself that much to clean my groceries so well or to be anal about avoiding people and cleaning my shoes.

>>542453
>two coronas at the same time
wtf.

No. 542566

I'm jealous of all the anons who live in countries that are going to keep the quarantine, mine which is a 3rd world shithole is only thinking about the economy and the banks, the 27th most of us will have to work again… people are stupid, poor and uneducated so they don't take this seriously and also, due to poverty people are starving and the government is barely giving food supplies, what they give is very little and the money for it is getting stolen…

No. 542570

>>542526
Repulsive.
Reddit and 4chan are full of men who make terrible fear-, anger-, or disgust-based arguments and then accuse anybody who counters them of being emotional.
>>542523
The market may limp along for a little while as the feds scramble to find new ways to appease investors and traders in order to prevent it from correcting, but the economic reality for the average person and small businesses is very grim. Eventually the market will reflect true economic conditions as well; there are only so many bells and whistles you can use to keep investor confidence from going down the shitter.

People will probably continue to be skeptical of the idea that COVID-19 is dangerous until it gains strong momentum in their own communities. I'm >>541991; it wasn't until about a couple of weeks ago that it became 'real' - i.e., that you can hear ambulance sirens every half hour and see somebody hauled off to the hospital or morgue at least once a day just by walking around the block.

No. 542575

>>542531
NTA but anon means you can be infected with 2 different strains of covid as there appears to be more than one strain circulating in some populations and some people have been infected with 2 strains but we still don't know much about how many strains there are and the differences between them.

Because covid is a RNA virus it can mutate fairly frequently.

No. 542739

>>542224
>what we really want is effective treatments for Covid-19
Hospitals are desperate to try anything to help the patients on ventilators. In my country, they're giving them medicine used to treat HIV. I hear other countries are using anti-malaria drugs. We're still at the point of throwing everything at them and hoping something sticks.

No. 542746


No. 542772

Don't know if I have coronavirus or food poisoning. My brother has the virus (he works at a hospital) So there's that connection as he lives with us. At the same time my mom made these hamburgers and they were kind of raw in the middle. I ate like a solid 2, now I have a stuffy nose and shits for days. The timing is impeccable.

We truly live in a society.

No. 542774

>>542772
Covid is very contagious so it's likely if you live with your brother you will catch it, additionally food poisoning doesn't cause a stuffy nose and some people with covid get gastrointestinal symptoms so I would place my bet on you likely having covid too.

No. 542785

People ITT keep saying how rich people are affected too, but I think that’s well overblown. Every single well off person I know irl and see on YouTube is absolutely relishing this whole thing, as they’re getting handed even more money they don’t need left and right and are going to profit big off of the stock crash

No. 542787

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/landlords-are-targeting-vulnerable-tenants-solicit-sex-exchange-rent-advocates-n1186416

Landlords are using the virus to solicit sex from tenants. Sadly I am not the least bit surprised. Thoughts?

No. 542790

>>542787
There's a housing shortage where I live and reports like this have been increasing for the last couple years, I've seen examples where women escape an abusive relationship and then landlords end up doing this shit to those vulnerable women. Not surprised that the corona is just another oppurtunity for predators like that.

No. 542792

>>542785
This. I'm well off and my life has not been dramatically impacted enough to justify complaining over, given how deeply others are suffering. The only valid thing im going through is fear for my high risk grandmother and thats about it.

No. 542795

>>542785
Yeah vlogging wasn't negatively impacted by the virus at all, if anything more people are tuning in from being trapped inside and ad revenue is up.

My already rich friends are having a pretty good time too (save for one bc she's such a drama queen that she's gotta make it all about her anxieties). I'm not asking these people for false positivity, but sometimes humility goes a long way…or the ability to keep one's mouth shut. I'm a little jelly of a few of my rich country friends. Their lives look so fulfilling getting to be with their horses, livestock, produce, and other homemade goods on a decent chunk of land. Whereas most of us are rotting in urban/suburban spaces with less than 1000sqft with nothing to do except limited crafts and screentime. If we so much as step outside for the bare essentials it's asking for it.

Don't get me wrong, my life is pretty cash money right now because circumstances worked out in my favor for reasons, I'd never complain. However I am acutely aware of the immense wealth other people have and how this virus will not touch them because of it.

No. 542803

>>542739
In my country we've just started a massive combined trial to test several drugs with anecdotal reports of success, you can read about it here: https://www.recoverytrial.net/ There's an HIV drug and an anti-malarial in the current list, as well as a steroid and an antibiotic (which I think they're testing to see if it helps the secondary pneumonia but I could be wrong).

Hopefully that will produce something useful, but they've already warned everyone not to expect a magic bullet. Apparently we're not even sure if putting people on ventilators actually helps? Some doctors are questioning if it actually has an impact on recovery rates based on what they see on wards. It really drives home how much we still don't know about how to treat it.

>>542785
Agreed. I'm pretty comfortable because I can work from home and my job is very secure, but I'm a lodger in an urban area (I was looking for a new place when all this kicked off…) so even I'm jealous of friends who are in their own houses with no live-in landlord to deal with, or who have big gardens, or are close to the countryside for nice long walks. I can't even fathom how stir-crazy people in even more crowded houses must be. Every time I see a rich influencer posting about their new lockdown hobbies and all their free time my eyes nearly roll out of my head.

One of my other friends has been joking that there's 3 types of people in this pandemic: people who are stressed because they've lost their jobs, people who are stressed because they still have to work (that's me), and people who are on infinite paid holiday.

No. 542810

I keep seeing the argument (not on here but in general online) that no matter how small your problems are right now you should be allowed to vent about them as much as you like without anyone hitting you with some perspective.

Most recent example I've seen is a 30 year old whinging about how she doesn't own a Switch, then making a list of other electronics she wishes she owned because of the awful boredom she's experiencing. She has her own flat, a macbook, an xbox, a tv, a tablet. But wants a different computer, a different drawing tablet etc.. Gets called out and lashes out with

>My struggle is real

>All vents are valid!

No. 542834

>>542810
i agree with her tho. we're all always experiencing annoying shit of varying degrees, the only difference is that now everyone is also suffering from the effects covid-19 on top of that. it's no one's place to decide who has the right to complain and about what, even with the situation. people who "call them out" are usually guilty of complaining of the same exact shit, they just find it more important because it's happening to them. it's also pretty condescending for someone to reply someone's personal vents to try to humble them. most people already know that they don't have it the worst, but there's really no reason for people to be mindful and conscious of that 24/7.

No. 542854

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>>542785
>>542792
>>542795
>>542803
I'm from a family of what you'd call here in the USA "land rich/cash poor" i.e. relatives bought the property when it was dirt cheap and passed it down. I really didn't notice a difference since I was already accustomed to buying in bulk and making few trips to the store due to the cost of gas before all of this.

My friends, who have more wealth than I do in terms of money, live in the cities and suburbs with their spouses and kids and have complaints I feel guilty for not being able to sympathize with.

I'm able to take country drives and walks w/o being bothered and worrying about crowded trails and closed parks; I have land we can farm, a firepit, walk and explore on, watch birds, rabbits, fish on the pond, etc. If we have to be quarantined, we still have the property. The only issue would be getting fresh food out here since delivery can be expensive or non-existent.

I've never liked living in the city when I did live there, and feel terribly for anyone who has no other choice.

No. 542920

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>>542854
I'm live-in landlord anon and this is basically what I wish I had right now. I grew up in the countryside and only live in a city because I couldn't get a job otherwise. I don't even have a private garden where I could sit and listen to the city birds, I hate that all the green space is public space full of other people, when I'm used to it being somewhere I can be alone. I hate living in the city at the best of times and now that my landlord is stuck in the house 24/7 too I feel so insanely cramped.

Working from home means my work is invading my private space too, so I get really annoyed when my furloughed friends complain about their new endless free time. BUT then I don't want to complain publicly about still being at work because some of my other friends have lost their jobs and are anxiously counting their savings, while I at least still get my full salary.

I guess it's all about picking who you complain to. I've been whining privately to other friends who are still working rather than posting publicly about it. Sort of like that tip regarding illness - you can still complain about having a cold when your friend has cancer, just don't complain about your cold TO the friend with cancer.

No. 542929

>>542785
I'm pretty well-off and am economically benefiting from this; I have fewer opportunities to blow my money on shit I don't need and will be able to invest at a discount (just waiting until the market truly tanks).

That's not true for everybody though; a lot of people in middle- and upper-management are at risk of losing their job if they haven't already, and many of them have a family to feed. Boomers who are approaching retirement have also just had a huge portion of their savings wiped out and may have to keep working indefinitely. Many (most?) of them were taking on way more risk than they should have due to FOMO. This crisis is great for well-off young people with great job security and shit for pretty much everyone else. Except the ultra-rich of course; they will benefit.
>>542795
>Whereas most of us are rotting in urban/suburban spaces with less than 1000sqft with nothing to do except limited crafts and screentime. If we so much as step outside for the bare essentials it's asking for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's a small exodus to semi-rural areas after all of this is over.

No. 542953

My state is reopening businesses and stuff to restart the economy. My boyfriend's mom was supposed to have the next three weeks off from work and they called her and said she needs to be back on Tuesday. I assume they'll open store hours back to normal, too at the other stores. I don't understand why they are doing this, it's obviously not under control yet. I'm scared I'm going to get sick at work now that things are being loosened, I was scared before this. I live in the Deep South btw incase anyone is wondering where this is happening.

No. 542963

I really want rest but my job before quarantine was Zoom support and now it's my life.

No. 542970


No. 542974

>>542929
>I have fewer opportunities to blow my money on shit I don't need and will be able to invest at a discount

same here, fam, same here. i have like 50k or so i'm going to pile in to the market soon.

No. 542977

>>542953
>I'm scared I'm going to get sick
You're probably going to get covid at some point. Most of us are. It's more contagious than the flu. If you're young and without any underlying conditions you'll be fine. Chances are you won't even know you have it. Far more people have had it than official numbers show, just were never tested.

Please keep in mind that stress is incredibly hard on your body and bad for your health. The attitude you are having is much more dangerous for you than covid itself. Prolonged fear and stress cause numerous serious issues regardless of age. Take care of yourself, anon.

No. 542991

>>542953
Same for me. My boyfriend literally just got called to go into work tomorrow morning and he has conditions that put him more at risk so I’m worried. He works at a fucking bookstore why can’t they keep that shit closed I’m so pissed off. Right when he was going to get those 600 per week unemployment benefits too…not to be overdramatic but I hate this country so much

No. 542999

>>542991
Yeah they are opening all beaches and declaring every business an essential business. I imagine hospitals will be overwhelmed by June.

No. 543006

>>542977
Anon that posted this here. Shit it just dawned on me how many young Americans suffer from obesity and that it's very possible I replied to one such person, in which case their fear is not unfounded.

If that is the case, I'm sorry, I meant well.

No. 543014

>>543006
What an annoying post.

No. 543023

>>543006
what the fuck

No. 543024

corona pls get rid of these anachans

No. 543028


No. 543029

>>542099
The American education system ladies and gentlemen lmao

No. 543050

>>542062
>statistically men trick women into pregnancies
>>542071
>my abusive ex poked holes in our condoms

that's not a statistic

No. 543053

>>543050
>2 days ago
Negro, let it go

No. 543057

>>543053
time has not erased your shame
and I'm not your nigga

No. 543058

>>543024
>>543023
>>543014
I really do mean well, don't be cynical.

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/health/coronavirus-obesity-higher-risk.amp.html

https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
>The prevalence of obesity was 40.0% among young adults aged 20 to 39 years

No. 543059

>>543058
No1curr

No. 543060


No. 543063

>>543059
This is the covid thread and I'm talking about one of the riskiest underlying conditions for making it life threatening.

This backlash against facts and good willed people is typical junkie behaviour. I say that with no sugarcoating and no exaggerating.

No. 543066

>>543063
I think we can discuss how to stay safe and healthy without fatshaming

No. 543070

>>543066
Nobody's shaming fat people, it's just a fact they're more at risk.

No. 543071

>>543063
>>536246
You're boring. Move on with your life.

No. 543079

>>543071
If reading about covid risk groups "bores" you, you're in the wrong thread. Find something that interests you.

No. 543081

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>>543079
Git gud.

No. 543084

>>543081
Why do you think I'm baiting? Do you not believe that obesity is a risk for covid? Do you not believe that a large percentage of American youth is obese?

This is not a personal attack on any of you. I don't choose how a virus behaves.

No. 543086

So I hate people now and I feel somewhat sad that my sympathy for people have gone down?
So in our apartment complex (I don't know if it's city wide?) howling and screaming at 8 pm is banned because it's seen as a public disturbance. For a few nights it was silent, but now it's back. So these people are upset that security came banging on their door. Even just this morning a few neighbors were screaming upstairs because they were issued a final notice before eviction for noise disturbance. Like, they didn't stop when they were issued the first two? Though not sure they can actually evict them until AFTER this mess is over.

It's weird we're still under lock down as well but no enforcement either. I mean, at least the deaths haven't risen yet but the number of cases are still up.
Another major problem we have is parents upset by the fact they have no where to send their kids, so they just kick them out of the house to do whatever. Or even worse they try to dump their kids at the schools anyway so they can play on the equipment or football fields (the buildings are locked). Which again, leads to officers having to call a bunch of parents and telling them they can't leave their kids on school grounds.

I don't want people to die. But the devil on my shoulder is now just "I don't give a fuck anymore. Thin out the herd"

No. 543087

>>543084
This anon is right. If you have a BMI around 45 you're at risk. No argument. It's just like how ana chans are also at risk. If you're not healthy you're not healthy.

This virus takes advantage of anyone weak or ill. You're not healthy at all if you're obese and should be more careful. And just because you didn't get covid yet doesn't mean you should go around playing Russian roulette with your life.

No. 543093

>>543087
Everyone already knows this. Besides, how is that helpful to obese people? They're not going to suddenly lose 200 pounds.

No. 543094

>>543093
Yeah, it isn't really. More or less it's just to shut people up in this thread crying "fat shaming" when other anons are stating fact to those who are at risk.

No. 543096

>>543087
I have absolutely zero opinion on the matter, I don't mind what weight anyone is but my country has still outright listed obesity as a risk factor, and made an announcement when they figured out why. It suppresses the lungs similarly to having sleep apnea and requires a ventilator earlier than most cases due to it.
However the people that have died here have been elderly, and rather thin with underlying longterm illnesses or muscle atrophy from age. Almost half of all deaths were in to nursing and old-age retirement homes, and by that point in life these people were generally rail thin. So I'm not sure if they actually conducted a large study here or they're basing it off assumption, since mechanically it does make sense. Sleep apnea is unfortunately caused by obesity, why would a pressure on the chest while laying down during an illness be exempt?

I hope you and all of your loved ones stay safe, anons. This is such a strange time, if it hadn't gone on for so long I'd assume I was just having a weird dream.

No. 543098

Some of the Biggest lessons to take From South Korea in terms of the COVID-19 pandemic

Basically:
Be fucking proactive and use common sense. But already that is something not possible in America becuase of "muh totalitarian/ muh communism" scares.

No. 543100

>>543096
Here is a comprehensive and trustworthy overview of the knowns and unknowns of damage caused by covid-19.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/how-does-coronavirus-kill-clinicians-trace-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

The effect of SARS-CoV-2 on the vascular system may explain why obese people (particularly diabetics) are at such risk, because pulmonary problems are not nearly enough to explain all the pathologies.

No. 543102

>>543098
Clickbait media is not a trustworthy source on any occasion, particularly not of this type.

Where are their sources?

No. 543104

>>543102
You've got to be kidding me…

Documenting how they treated former diseases is not trustworthy? What the fuck you want? Infowars?

No. 543107

>>543104
No, I am not kidding.
>>543100
This is the kind of information I want.

Scientific conclusions, not mass market media. Need I explain why?

No. 543109

>>543107
Oh, I see. Carry on then

No. 543110

>>542974
Nice. My advice would be to spend a little time learning about investing if you haven't already and start with high-rated ETFs and large-cap stocks plus a little bit of 'fun money' you can blow on more exciting stocks that help you learn through experience.
>>542997
Who's opening beaches? Jesus Christ, it's like some of our leaders want this to spread.
>>543093
Knowing that obesity is a major risk factor could be good motivation for fat people to start losing weight, but of course losing weight is easier said than done. Either way, the fact that obesity is a risk factor is something that all Americans should know given that most Americans are obese and pretty much every American has at least one obese family member. Many people aren't taking the virus seriously and this may help them understand that they or their loved ones are at serious risk.

No. 543119

>>543100
Thank you for this! I couldn't find the exact source of their information on it relating to sleep apnea. This makes more sense.

No. 543145

>>543094
Stating facts is different than posting a picture of a person who recently died and saying it was because they were fat. I promise you that fat people know they're not healthy and are at risk for many things

No. 543149

>>543145
I take complete responsibily for turning this thread on the subject of obesity. I was reckless when I tried to give an anon what seemed as good advice without knowing their situation. When I realised the person has a high chance of being in the risk group with what limited information I had (them bring American), I immediately backtracked, because I i would never ever be able to sleep again if my careless words lead to someone's demise.

I have learned a lot from this instance on lolcow. I will never ever again advise anyone online on such life or death matters.

But the conversation about obesity and it's effects on health has to be had. And the conversation about the relationship between covid and obesity too.

Let's have it in good faith.

No. 543151

I absolutely despise the celebrities making posts and videos telling people to stay at home, people know to stay at home at this point - they’re not going to start doing it or stop doing it because Beyonce made a video, it’s purely so they can feel self righteous and get some form of PR and attention during the lockdown when they can’t get it any other way. Also it’s so easy for them to say being quarantined in a hotel size house probably with various chefs and maids. I hate that it’s being portrayed as if ‘we’re all in this together’ when if anything the inequality between us has never been more apparent.

No. 543154

>>543110
Apparently many officials are embracing Sweden's propaganda that building herd immunity is better than damaging your economy. I'm looking at extremely economic indicators and I'm concerned Sweden might be right - we could lose more lives to an imploded economy compared to this virus.

South Korea and Taiwan are not shut down right now. Massive testing has allowed them get ahead of the disease (or not letting it gain a foothold in the first place). People there can shop and dine out and go about their businesses without fear. Also the average Korean and Taiwanese are more responsible than us, so they chill at home when they don't have important stuff to do.

No. 543155

>>543154
Epidemiologists have suggested this is not true, and could hurt us even more. If we let this run rampant it could have a death rate of 10% and at that point the economy would plummet.
Can’t have a functioning economy if people are dead, or sick at massive rates.

Sweden is fucking stupid.

No. 543157

Is anyone else unable to fully process what’s happening as real? I thought it would begin to feel more real after the initial shock but even a month in it still just feels like a dream and I feel so detached from reality. I can’t fathom the magnitude of it, each morning when I wake up it takes me a while to realise that everything isn’t back to normal and it wasn’t a dream, when I go to the supermarket I’m still shocked every time when I see the social distancing measures that it’s actually happening

No. 543167

>>543155
>>543154
The "economy" is a zombie corpse that needs to be put out of its misery asap. It is a relic of the previous century and the virus has just exposed it's faults.
We are ready for a post-scarcity society.

No. 543168

>>543154
>we could lose more lives to an imploded economy
How do you mean?

No. 543170

>>543167
I agree, but what solution do you propose?

No. 543171

>>543168
NTA but I'm guessing she means these side effects:
>Increased amount of domestic violence that gets even more out of hand
>Suicide to escape the debt of a failed business
>Substance abuse (and the subsequent health problems) to numb the mental anguish caused by getting laid off
>The situation above could also commit to the rise in crime statistics as people struggle to make ends meet
>Less tax money coming in because of mass unemployment, leading to cuts in public services (including health care)
>People's overall quality of life drops drastically

The edgy anarchocommunists who are masturbating over economy failing have really no idea what it means. Must be nice being a NEET receiving support from others and never having to worry about the society around them.

No. 543172

>>543171
>The edgy anarchocommunists who are masturbating over economy failing have really no idea what it mean
I'm twice as old as you and have lived through a decade of civil war. I know as a fact life doesn't stop when your masters don't get their profits.

>>543170
Solution to what exactly? People will always keep doing things people keep doing. Just cut out the middle men in your transactions.

No. 543173

>>543172
In that case you're well into your 60's and granny needs to realize that the world, including the economic structure, has changed since then. People not going to work and not producing money doesn't mean that "le evil greedy capitalist bigwigs" can't get another yacht on their porch. It means all of the things I listed in my post. The money masters have no worry because they're going to bounce back no matter what, but I know a ton of small restaurants for example that are about to go into huge debt or close the doors altogether because they can't afford to stay closed for 3 months with no profits coming in.

No. 543174

>>543173
I mean if you don't want to fight for your rights and standard of living, ok.
It's sad that a granny has more fighting spirit than the youth.

No. 543180

If you live in Florida and went to the beach yesterday or have plans to you're a degenerate

No. 543181

>>543173
>>543174
Ok back from wishing everyone a happy Easter, can expand a bit:

You're a pussy.

Anyone who breaks their back just to return to the status quo is a pussy.

No. 543182

Americans and anyone from a country that has similar statistics, how do you think the first few months of "opening up" will look? Mandatory masks? Only 50 people in a restaurant at a time?

No. 543185

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>>543174
>Thinking the previous standard of living was acceptable and it's something to fight for

Nah, burn it all down. Why bother continuing that piece of shit? So I can get another Starbucks coffee and stuff my face with engineered food? So I can numb my brain with meaningless consumerism and hedonism?
We can take the best parts of the past and synthesize a new future.

No. 543188

>>543185
No no, I totally agree with you, see
>>543181

No. 543194

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>>543188
My bad, anon.

No. 543195

>>543181
>>543185
>t. a NEET that doesn't realize they'll be the first to starve on the streets

No. 543196

>>543185
What exactly is this new future and better economic reality some people here are so adamant about? We haven't kept with the current capitalistic system for fuck all no reason, even with all its flaws it's been the best overall.

No. 543198

>>543196
I'm guessing that the one where everyone gets all their expenses magically covered with leprechaun treasure money and allows them to live a comfy life of hedonism without any responsibilities of sheepish wage slaving. You know, the maladjusted twitter activist model.

No. 543202

>>543151
I love seeing the billboards for “staying at home, we’re in this together!” every day when I drive to work lmao

No. 543204

>>543198
Sounds about right. Absolutely no drawbacks to the economic model inside their heads I'm sure.

No. 543207

Sorry if someone else has posted about this but what the FUCK is up with America right now, we’ve been in lockdown for a MONTH and these idiots are fucking protesting demanding the country be reopened. In what universe does this make sense, no vaccine, no cure, STILL KILLING HUNDREDS EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE PLANET IS ON LOCKDOWN. Fuck being American, places like Italy and China did an amazing job quarantining for way longer than us, and Trump supports reopening. Yeah well we all know what that’s going to do. Thousands will get sick, flood hospitals, deplete resources. Why the actual fuck are republicans gathering and protesting lockdown right now literally how are people so stupid. What happened to last week when it was all “think about your grandma, grocery workers are hero’s”

No. 543209

>>543207
America isn't a country anymore, it's simply an area in which they amass enough random people to contribute to the GDP. Your government is literally telling you this. The economy is more important than the lives and wellbeing of your citizens. A citizen is only so much a citizen as the amount of taxes they can collect from you.

They can always create or import more GDP makers, why is it a concern if some of them die? Most deaths are affecting those who are less capable of producing money (sick, poor, old).

The emotional angle of "protect grandma" cannot stop the people's desires for consumerism, whereas "think of the economy and all your consumerist experiences going away" strikes them in a very powerful way.
Very few people have functional families to even care about, but everyone has access to the economy and whatever materialistic distraction it provides.

No. 543219

>>543207
except we're not even in lockdown. We're allowed to take walks, go through drive thrus, go to the grocery store, and for the assholes out there, they technically can still (and are) visiting friends. You can't go to a restaurant, big fucking deal. People who were here a month ago are dead now because the US couldn't give up their capitalistic values

No. 543227

>>543209
Well said.

No. 543231

>>543196
Nta so I can’t speak for them and I’m speaking regarding America: 1) I assume money is going to be smarter spent or saved rather than spent on so many unnecessary purchases, which will inevitably lead to the collapse of some major businesses who sell fluff. 2) Medicare for all will be more popular with the people and on track to be implemented sooner. Taiwan and South Korea have been kicking everyone’s ass in handling the crisis and they don’t have privatized healthcare. 3) UBI will be more popular. Yang was ahead of his time.

I don’t think that the entire capitalist system is going to collapse, but progressive policies that are already implemented and working in other capitalist countries will grow to be more popular. Even if (when?) Trump gets re-elected, I can see the GOP moving left on issues like UBI and healthcare just to fuck over the dems.

No. 543239

>>543207

The city I live in is not going to survive another month of lockdown. The dems have been erroding our economy for around three decades now and every day spent shutdown is one we're never getting back. I don't know what your circustances are like, but we were having problems keeping businesses open before this started. Now we're completely fucked despite having so few cases of coronavirus, and no amount of taxpayer money is going to fix that. All things weighed, I'm willing to take my chances with the virus than losing what little I have to economic tug of war. Call me backwards or stupid or whatever you want, but some of us are looking at a very different future than you if this keeps going

No. 543242

>>543207
Not only is this a setup by Trump and co but it’s a huge punch in the face to all the essential employees, the at-risk and the state governors that actually try to keep their people safe

No. 543245

>>543239
NTA but if enough people in your city get the virus then the healthcare system will collapse and then what happens? Army comes in? Riots? Lack of food and goods getting into the city, lack of fit working age people to replace workers who fall ill or who no longer are willing to go to work etc. I mean lockdown and lifting lockdown are both going to have really shitty outcomes but at least by having lockdown in place less people may die, hopefully the healthcare system won't be so overwhelmed it collapses, hopefully we will be in a better position to bounce back once this is all over.

If we lift lockdown we are basically speeding up societal collapse because the virus is so contagious it will spread like wildfire (it's more contagious the flu, and we 0 immunity).

No. 543253

>>543149
>I was reckless when I tried to give an anon what seemed as good advice without knowing their situation.
Which is exactly why I called you annoying because the obesity warning could have applied to the UK or Mexico or literally anyplace else with an obesity problem so you came off as passive aggressive and wanting to derail. And you're still acting like a huge martyr for saying the same shit people have posted in every single thread so far. Yes anon, you are very intelligent and have only the best intentions.

No. 543257

>>543245

I can only speak for my area, but as it stands nurses in all the major hospitals are currently getting furloughed or having their hours cut significantly. I can easily see that being different in the larger cities, but as it stands we only have a few dozen infected altogether. I still think we should continue safety percautions of course as a whole though and I didn't mean to imply the entire country should reopen all at once. It's just that coronavirus was never a huge issue where I live and it seems like the economic risks we're taking are way out of proportion.

No. 543259

>>543207
People in michigan and las vegas are angry they cant go out and spend money while this is happening. I'm scared. Sure, my events and gatherings are cancelled but i'm trying to live on my savings until this is over. I'm so ashamed of the majority of americans who dont seem to care or think this virus is a joke

No. 543262

>>541622
This bullshit is only going to cause more racism and hate crimes against asians. We dont even have the facts. This is why i hate mass media and news

No. 543265

>>543259
this is what happens when you spend decades convincing society the only way to live and be fulfilled is buying crap you don't really need and also pump the idea that one group of people are better than others.

You wont believe how many times I heard people mutter how this is all brown people's fault or using the statistics that more ethnic groups are effected by the virus thus they must be genetically inferior. This virus is bringing out the worst in people

No. 543276

I'm living in America and these "lock downs" are a complete joke. We were never in lock down, people are still buying groceries and visiting each other. Now that the weather is nice people are having BBQ's. So I'm wondering what they are whining about?
I would have been happier if there was no lock down if this was how they were going to handle things. People could still work. Yes infected cases would go up, but they are still going up because it's business as usual here.

Ideally I wish we had a real lock down with enforced stay at home orders. Not this shit. Whatever we're doing now isn't helping anyone, it's making things worse.

No. 543277

>>542787
Why are sick men always profiting over women? this really hurts. I watch a lot of post apocalyptic shit and i always think men are gonna use any chance to use violence and sex against women. fuck this gay earth. Why cant the virus only kill men

No. 543280

>>543277
Well it is killing significantly more men than women, some hospitals are saying 70% of their ICU cases are men.

No. 543283

>>543231
That's fair and the american economic system could definitely change, just like the huge consumerism culture will have to change in upcoming years but many anons in this thread have clearly said they believe/want the entire current capitalistic system to change because this crisis has "shown its weaknesses" or whatever which I don't get. Of course the economy and people are struggling right now. Why would it not?

No. 543285

>>537580
Are you still on this thread, NYC anon? I filed for unemployment after my company closed down last month and still haven't been denied or gotten anything. I'm wondering how many people have actually received unemployment after the nightmare filing process.

No. 543301

>>543285
Yep, still here. And no, despite doing literally everything that you’re supposed to do and claiming every week, I haven’t seen a cent. Seems like a lot of effort for zero payout.

No. 543306

>>543301
Sorry to hear that, anon. I hope it starts soon. There's also pandemic assistance which is separate from unemployment that you can file for. It's on the same website that you file for unemployment. I haven't gotten that yet either, but it would be nice.

No. 543309

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>>543285
I suspect there is a long line. 20 million americans filed for unemployment in the past 4 weeks alone. Even if they got to you, many states now have empty coffers to fund unemployment
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/jobless-claims


I don't know about other countries, but just 4 weeks of shutdown has affected the US economy more than the 2008 recession. The Fed has responded by massive money printing to keep things moving (unrestricted loans actually). However it's not making much of an effect. It's only making wall street richer while main street suffocates.


People who say everyone can go back to work once it's over are wrong. Small businesses are running out of money and filing for bankruptcy in droves. There are no jobs waiting for millions of people even if the vaccine magically appeared tomorrow.


I'm also worried we're growing the debt bubble at an unprecedented rate. And if it pops this time, we'll collapse like a house of cards and take out everything including the global economy. We can forget about eating the rich in that scenario, collapsed farms and shuttered grocery stores will be a more pressing issue.

No. 543310

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>>543309
Sorry about being a downer, I wish I can share some cat videos or stuff to lighten the mood.


I found this meme pic making it's way around that perfectly illustrates our problem

No. 543314

>>543257
It's only the beginning of the outbreak though if you are in a western country, nurses may be getting furloughed but it might be due to the fact they have moved a lot of patients out of hospitals to make space for the covid patients (at least that is what they are doing at the hospital I work in a city in Scotland), all non urgent treatment has been postponed, so you won't need as many nurses for things like hip and knee replacements, plastics, oncology, outpatient clinics, psych etc. They need nursing staff who are trained in infectious disease, respiratory diseases and critical care which is quite specialised.
The hospital I work at has literally cleared out several whole surgery and medical wards to make space for covid patients (some of these wards are totally empty in waiting for patients), it's transformed other wards into ICU wards just for covid patients. These wards are usually full of patients.
This is also happening in smaller hospitals in the country and suburbs.
It's the calm before the storm.
Most of us in the medical/healthcare field are shitting ourselves.

No. 543317

>>543257
You have infected people literally in your community, it HAS affected where you are, and the only reason it’s not worse is because your businesses are closed.

No. 543318

>>543245
The military and national guard have employees that are being deployed to hotspot areas if they’re called to provide assistance but they haven’t been that needed yet

No. 543343

>>542920
> you can still complain about having a cold when your friend has cancer, just don't complain about your cold TO the friend with cancer.
AYRT, this is a great way to put it and better than bottling it up. It's also great we have an anonymous board we can air all this out on.

I feel you on the green space. It's nice to come to the city and see them, but I can only imagine them being insane right now in places where you're still allowed to go outside. I would like for it to be a chance for cities to consider expanding them on spots that just sit abandoned. The bigger the green spaces for people in the city, the more you guys can get out and just be healthy w/o being crowded upon like ants.


>>542929
I REALLY hope this doesn't happen. I know you said "semi-rural" and not rural, but it seems when people move to these places, the rest of the city follows when they start missing certain amenities and waving their money around. Really, it comes down to which real estate agent is pushing the initiative and catering to certain desires (at least here in the USA). My whining aside, I have seen both ends when it's done well and executed horribly.

>>542953
I live in the Deep South, too, and noticed way more people are going around without masks. It seemed to roll out with these announcements. At this rate, we'll have inundated hospitals before that even happens. It'd be one thing if we had widespread testing, mask wearing, and meticulous hygiene, but Americans are fucking disgusting in the name of MUH FREEDUM.

>>542999
>June
If not the first week of May.

>>543207
They've all misread what happened on September, 1918 in Philadelphia and want to mimic it.
Typical American thought is "I DIDN'T KNOW TIL IT HAPPENED TO ME." They knew. Sometimes they'll admit that they never cared, but they never give a fuck until they get dragged down into the abyss. Then they become the loudest advocate of being responsible. I bet you anything, they'll do this and still test anyone before they come near Trump.

What's worse is that I live in a hurricane prone area, and it looks like we'll be in for an even more active season compared to last. I feel a weird since of deja vu from when I asked what it would take for the Deep South to stop voting against systems that could help us, and my friend replied "probably a hurricane on top of a plague." At this rate, we'd better buckle the fuck up.

No. 543348

>>543343
Hurricane season is going to be fucking grim.
It's sad but I think your friend is being optimistic about what could make the south vote for its own best interests.

No. 543362

>>543348
My friend really is.
The good lord will literally have to put these people into the ground for any of us to make any real changes without some sisterfucker shrieking about their rights to be a paypig to the very people who screw their communities over. I'm beyond the point of feeling guilty for wishing death, but some people are so stubborn, they're just existing as living walls that need to be knocked down.

No. 543398

>>543314
>>543317

According to my friends the furloughing has to do with elective surgeries being cancelled, not anything having to do with the corvid wing. The area I'm in is extremely arid, so in viruses never do well out here which might be a factor on why the numbers have peaked.

Look, in denser areas with more travel I can understand being at red alert, but it's just not the case where I live. At this point it just feels like we're being held hostage by the state.

No. 543414

>>543398
Yes they are most likely being cancelled because of covid, that's what I was saying, they need the resources for covid instead.
Dry weather will not necessarily prevent people contracting the virus, yes we have evidence the virus may survive longer on a surface in cooler weather, but we have no idea whether this reduces transmission rates etc.
This thing is so contagious it doesn't matter much about population density, because people need to come to common areas for various things on a regular basis. Unless you live off the grid in the middle of nowhere, this is going to burn through any population extremely quickly if there's no social distancing in place, which would create a high demand, exceeding capacity of the healthcare system, no western city is prepared for that. I don't know if anyone was prepared for this.

No. 543433

>>543306
Thanks, good luck to you too! I applied for the pandemic assistance too and yep, still waiting on that to pan out as well. I’m just so tired of all this.

No. 543457

Anyone else live in a major city? I’ve been having existential conversations about what will happen to our city as a result of this economic shutdown.

The city has been suffering from extreme gentrification for years (some would say decades) overdevelopment of luxury housing, while whole neighborhoods become filled with luxury shopping, nightclubs and restaurants while entire streets became the equivalent of strip malls. The demographics are artificially padded with hundreds of thousands of affluent yuppies/hipsters in their 20s-30s that came for college and stayed for a specific type of lifestyle, probably to cycle out in their late 30s over the suburbs. Since I see little chance of small business getting bailout money, and because nightlife/ festivals/large shopping is going to take a massive hit, ironically a lot of this entertainment infrastructure that caters to this demographic is going to vanish, leading to a huge exodus. Since a LOT of people are employed by these industries however, including a lot of lowest level employees who live in low socio-economic conditions, the crime is probably going to skyrocket, maybe even worst then in normal medium size cities that don’t have like a hundred hotels and an thousands of bars. Im torn between the fact that housing market will most def become hugely oversaturated as people move and there will most def be better housing available to almost everyone I know, to the fact that there will most certainly be a repeat of my childhood where it was impossible to be outside for more then a few hours without someone on drugs screaming at you, used condoms and other trash out in plain sight in most parks, subways that come every 40 minutes ect ect. Sorry for blogpost I’m wondering if other anons that live large cities have any thoughts about it. The weirdest thing I’m thinking about is there are so many 3rd tier, “luxury” junk hotels here, like dozens of chains and pointless stand alones. Airbnb was rekting their profits already but tourism was so massive they were able to get away with it anyway, now tourism probably won’t even be possible until July and frankly idk why anyone would come here without the entertainment industry or luxury shopping because we have very little historical stuff. Even the historical stuff we do have like the Opera is entertainment and contingent on very large crowds gathering in our huge fucking opera complex.

No. 543519

>>543457
Are you talking about Las Vegas?

Government bailout or not, I'm not sure how cities like that will survive. Even if everything goes back to normal, this experience will change people's spending habits and increase personal savings regardless of rock bottom interest rates.

That's in the best case scenario. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I'm prepping for the worst case scenario where we have a rerun of 1929. In that scenario, everyone in every city will have a front row seat to experience what you described of your childhood.

No. 543601

Personal vent because Im trying to defer my studies. I cant focus on uni at all and the uni is just going to pretend that online studies is a substitute for a practical course.
If I defer now Ill be paying the uni because its past a certain date. Fine, since its late notice, but I'll also be losing "the majority" of my maintaince loan; if its too short notice for the uni why isnt it too short notice for a student with rent responsiblities?
Im hoping Ill still have enough not to ask for help but I just feel so screwed over. If I lose my laptop too idk if Ill be able to take commissions till its safe to work again.

No. 543625

>>535839
I am that Anon, that posted about my Mother having it, sadly nothing much has changed, The Doctors have told us that they are surprised she has lasted this long. There is going to be a family meeting with the Doctors on Wednesday, I can't sleep or think about anything else, I just know on Weds they are going to say we have to stop treating her, they tried this a while back but lucky my brother knows some people and is a millionaire , they basically told us it would be better/kinder if she died at home. I have recovered from the Covid and I think I was the one who gave it to her, she has underlying health issues, I am not religious but she takes great comfort from religion which gives me comfort, she thinks she will see everyone in heaven. I have a stockpile of benzos and PK and it so tempting just to take some Xanax as pathetic as that sounds. I wish I could switch my brain of from constantly worrying about her and thinking how I am gonna cope after her death. I hope she is not suffering / in pain, otherwise all my brother managed to do is to prolong her suffering, then again she has outlived the doctors predictions and I have been reading up and some very old people in the 80's and one who was 90 something managed to recover. These cases are not really mentioned in the media. The Covid mutates which is not always a bad thing, The strain I had must have been a mild one, so hopefully I passed on a mild strain to her which maybe why she outliving the doctors predictions, despite not be religious I am praying for her and trying to keep myself sane and away from dipping into my drug stash by watching youtube, reading lolcow just to try and take my mind of things. sorry for blog post. Like I said before be mindful of your loved ones Anons. This virus is not being blown out of proportion. I live in the UK and my area had to build a morgue and special hospitals are being built in the UK, The UK is smaller than any state in the US, so imagine if your state was building 5 large hospitals for Covid patients and building extra morgues. I don't think the states is handling this virus very well. Keep safe anons.

No. 543627

>>543398
In the US, do you get paid if you are being furloughed. in my country they pay 80% up to 2,500 a month. Are they halting Mortgage/rent payments?/ How can the average American family live on 1200 a month?

No. 543631

>>543398
In addition another reason they are cancelling elective procedures and surgeries due to covid (beyond trying to free up hospital resources for covid e.g beds, meds, staff, oxygen) is infection control, since it would be dangerous to have people go into a hospital and potentially catch covid for a non-urgent surgery.
Additionally, having more people in hospital for surgeries means more opportunities for the virus to spread in the hospital which puts all the staff and patients at risk.
Also due to resources being stretched due to covid this could potentially put the elective patient at risk if they end up having a complication from their surgery and need more specialist care.

No. 543772

>>543601
Thinking about this in a long term sense, will this change your financial aid for the upcoming semesters or can you just pick up where you left off with no penalties?

No. 543786

how tf does georgia expect to open places like restaurants and nail salons while still adhering to social distancing?? most of these small businesses need to function at full capacity to simply break even.

No. 543797

>>543786
It's a southern republican shithole. They don't have brains anon

No. 543836

>>543154
If the virus continues to spread unfettered and people continue to self-isolate then the economy is going to go down the shitter regardless; it's only a matter of how bad it will get. The decision is between condemning more people to a terrible death so that the economy is slightly less shit for perhaps a somewhat shorter period of time and condemning less people to a terrible death so that the economy is more shit for perhaps a somewhat longer period of time.

Plus, the economy will rebound; the people who've lost their lives or have been left with crippling health issues will not.
>>543786
They probably weren't thinking about how this would work, just about how to appease tptb.

Despite the heavy coverage of the recent country-wide protests, some recent polls suggest that the majority of Americans, as high as 81%, believe that the stay-at-home orders should be in place for as long as it takes for cases to decline. The actions of certain governors are contrary to what the people actually want.

No. 543850

The only people at these protests are country bumpkins and people still picking the corn out their teeth from giving Trump his copious rimjob for owning da libbys. The rest of the US understands the importance of the shutdown and would want to continue it if only the government would prioritize its people to make sure we're being taken care of. Not the companies who are bankrupting and rightfully deserve to die if they didn't plan for a disaster and cannot pull themselves up by the bootstraps (such is capitalism, such would be the case for you or I if it were our asses losing our livelihoods for shit beyond our control).
The biggest joke is that the protests are about giving the 1% back their status quo, not threatening to kill these treasonous politicians if they don't get their shit together and won't carry out the will of the majority.

No. 543852

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There will be a spike in cases in those places where lockdowns are lifted. Who says total tragedy and healthcare system collapse can be averted twice? They will have to implement another lockdown for it to be averted again, and who says it will happen in time? Also, future lockdown will be progressively harder to enforce.
They seem to be planning to do this in waves, but it just seems too risky.

>>543625
I was wondering about you and your mom, I'm sad you don't have better news for us. I hope you take the opportunity to be with her in her last days, I know that is what most relatives of covid victims feel most robbed off.

No. 543855

I live in Georgia. I'm not shocked. I'm just sad. I knew after watching the protests today that states were going to start to give in. I honestly just want to end it all at this point. Everything is fucked. Feels like none of it matters anymore. People are going to continue to do what was done today until everything is open again. The deaths of the victims of COVID are in vain. Especially considering the majority of them are black. These people are feeling comfortable raising a ruckus to be able to eat at buffets every day because "hey only black people are dying from it it's just a flu who cares just get immune now open up the restaurants you tyrants!!!". That's basically the gist of it. I feel hopeless.

No. 543864

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My grandfather went out and got tested for the COV-19 and he got tested positive, I can’t bare too loose him

No. 543866

>>543855
Black people, disabled people, sick people, fat people, old people. American society just exposed who they don't give a shit about in the open and who they consider expendable. It's always been the elephant in the room but at least they're finally wearing it proudly. Selfish pricks.

No. 543875

>>543855
>>543866
>>543850
It is definitely not the majority opinion at all. It’s just small groups of idiots. Hundreds compared to millions. Don’t be fatalistic

No. 543878

>>543875
This is true, but it is also the opinion of those whose opinion actually matters.
The majority opinion isn't worth shit when the minority in power (those with capital) gets to decide.

No. 543881

>>543864
Funeral homes need business too, how old is he?

No. 543883

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>>543864
It’s good it was caught early, right Anon? He will recover.

No. 543884

>>543881
What the fuck is wrong with you

No. 543888

>>543881
Bad taste.

I've got a funeral on Thursday. It's streamed because only 8 people can attend and I can't travel. It's my friend's dad, not a corona victim.

Yeah, it's shitty to say shit like that but especially now with the added regs.

A lot of older people recover, people in their 90s. >>543864 chances are he'll okay, but understand your anxiety. Get well, Gramps!

No. 543890

>>543884
Nayrt, but it's obviously satirical, look at the context of the latest posts.
It's actually poignant in highlighting the heartlessness of the entire situation around lifting the lockdown for the "economy".

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No. 543898

>>543883
I don't know, he's 71 and healthy for his age but he's had skin cancer in the past and he showed sings of weakness a couple days ago

No. 543913

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What is wrong with people? It's like they want a bunch of people to die.

No. 543928

>>543913
At this point I hope all those idiots catch it.
Most are antivaxxers and conspiracy nuts anyway.

No. 543941

>>543913
I could 100% understand this - people fighting for personal freedoms and people fighting for their right to work - if it was in my country.

But my country has a dictator, yours does not. My country is poor, yours can afford people not working.

Send them over here so we can give them something to truly protest about.

No. 543945

>>543941
I mean I understand where you're coming from but the United States has a huge wealth gap, so it's not as simple as "your people can afford to not work."

You would be surprised about how many people work paycheck to paycheck, our government had to fight over how much was too much because they didn't want poor people to get 1,200. In some states that's not even enough to cover full rent.

The people protesting are stupid and probably very privileged as seen on the signs but that is not all of Americans.

No. 543948

>>543945
Lol, I meant your country can afford having it's people not work, not individuals of course. The USA has the resources to keep its citizens fed and sheltered for a while. Just redistribute the wealth so that everyone can survive until it's over.

No. 543991

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/post-pandemic-economy-favour-fastest-movers/

Tl;dr Big businesses will crush small, robots will take your jobs.

Goodbye Brave New World, welcome Player Piano

No. 543999

>>543948
Anon, I have to laugh. The US can't afford it's people not to work. The system it's under is actually incredibly weak and unsustainable.
They're actually making efforts to reopen everything and urge people to work to save the precious economy. That means they don't give a fuck if people die. Redistributing wealth is the last thing they want to do right now. Those delicous bread crumbs we got (stimulus check) barely did anything. Most people between 17-24 didn't even qualify to get that check (me) and those are the people being forced to work for min wage or got laid off. I think it's really annoying when people outside of the US think we have it all. The US is a third world country with glitter on it. A studio is $2000 where I live and the neighborhood isn't some kind of beautiful luxury neighborhood. The buildings are literally falling apart at the seams. Our govt and wealthy class doesnt give a shit whether we live or die. Just as long as they see themselves get richer.

No. 544023

>>543457
What city? I predict my city becoming even more divided by class, with only the very rich able to afford to be here and the very poor who are forced to. Mass exodus of any transplants from other states and middle class with the means to leave.

No. 544055

>>543999
If you guys cut on millitary expenses it would be pretty easy to feed and sustain the whole population with universal income for more than one year though.
Other countries would also appreciate not getting invaded and having their democracies fucked over.

No. 544099

That's it, I want the fuck out of this simulation. Just put me back into the happy matrix again.
Spain has been on a complete lockdown for 5 weeks. No walks, no outdoor sports, just grocery shopping, work, and taking out your dog. We're wearing off psychologically and it shows.
So our government today announced next week kids will be allowed to go out. To walk and play at least on their own? Nooooooo. To accompany their parents during grocery shopping. Like fuck I'm going grocery shopping if nasty snotty fucks are going to be there touching everything, I'll get everything delivered home.
I really think this shitty government is thriving on social experiments on us right now.
Fuck I just want out.

No. 544103

>>544099
>To walk and play at least on their own? Nooooooo. To accompany their parents during grocery shopping. Like fuck I'm going grocery shopping if nasty snotty fucks are going to be there touching everything

Diff country but was out grocery shopping today and saw an overwhelmed dad just letting his toddlers play hide and seek while one of them drooled onto it's hands and then used that hand to hold onto things for support, normal behaviour for that age but for the love of god don't bring them shopping and just watch them suck on their hand and then touch everything in sight while everyone else is going out of their way to sanitize

No. 544108

>>543948
>>543999
>>544055
As an American who is living with someone on unemployment and received stimulus money, we can afford not to work. And I know many people living off unemployment. Americans FOR YEARS have been living off unemployment, I know a girl that loved getting fired just so she could apply and not work. Fuck, I know a sex worker that worked at a pizza shop for a month in 2019 and got a stimulus check of the full amount. I really think some of you guys are extremely pessimistic. Actually I know it can see it in your words, you’re all very angry and confused with what’s happening. None of us know what’s going to happen or the true affects to the economy until it’s done and over with. Also, there’s been an American proposal for an extended version of stimulus of 2,000 a month for all Americans (for up to a year I think) and to stop all rent and mortgage. Our government is literally having discussions about funding everyone right now. It’s quite possible the US government can afford us not to work. Plenty of billionaires the IRS can finally start going after if they are so desperate for money!

No. 544112

>>544103
That's my point exactly. I don't have kids and if I had them I wouldn't take them shopping in this situation.
I was just hoping they would let kids out for walks and then let us too. Being locked in a small shared apartment and getting scared to even go shopping because of the increasing police brutality is driving me nuts.

No. 544113

Anon, what province are you in? I'm from Ontario and though Ford said they'll wait until May to open schools, I really don't think that'll happen. There's just too much risk since we're just hitting our peak; opening schools might increase cases. I think May is the best case scenario but realistically, schools would be closed until September. Ontario is rolling out e-learning too, which suggests that schools aren't opening any time soon.

No. 544115

>>544113 directed to
>>542530

No. 544119

>>544099
Yeah I went grocery shopping for my week's supply yesterday and this couple was shopping together with a baby and one of those cadillac carriages completely unfazed. What the hell? I would understand if the parent was there by herself as I'd assume she was single or her spouse is working. But they were BOTH there! Why wouldn't one have stayed home with the baby?! Stupid fuckers, then of course no one can criticism them because parents are so fragile these days. Ya know, rather than consider that their actions could be a negative for their own kid's well being.

No. 544164

>>544108
Lucky for everyone else because college students are getting fucked over! No stimulus, not eligible for unemployment, bills and expenses piling up for school and rent so I have to work full time for the rest of the semester while I still can…thanks America!

No. 544166

>>544119
I have two local stores and one of them insists that only adults can shop and even then all adults must shop individually. I shop in the less strict store and yeah I've seen too many examples of why those rules are needed. People making bad decisions, kids touching things and babies doing what babies naturally do, putting anything within reach in their mouth.

No. 544181

You guys think this whole thing will cause more people to start supporting socialism in America? I know a lot of young people there support universal healthcare already but I can't imagine lower and working class people at least not considering it

No. 544182

>>544181
If it doesn't then nothing ever will

No. 544184

>>544164
Not op but I'm in college and I qualified for unemployment since my work was shutdown. I got my first 2 payments already. You should apply if you haven't.

No. 544189

>>544181
Did you know that the average American Tax Payer pays more tax that goes into Healthcare, than Tax payers in the UK, that get NHS. It confuses me when I see Americans who are so against socialized medicine, and the fact that young people in their 20's have to be on their parents health insurance and people choose jobs with Health insurance in mind. Oh and how it cost x amount of money to call an ambulance. Confused is the wrong word, I just find it odd.

No. 544194

>>543948
I saw this Man from the US ranting about how the USA is handling Covid. I got the impression that furloughed workers were not getting paid, and the only assistance was the 1200 and unemployment or Disability if they can get it. Surely 1200 is not enough for the average American to pay rent, food, utilities etc. Your people ( us fags) should be outraged but focus that rage on improving the system. The Super Rich won't be effected and everyone else suffers. Your crime rate is going to go up and I am disturbed about the stories of people stock pilling bullets and buying guns. The USA owes china over a Trillion and it seems like the entire world has been tricked into thinking America was the wealthiest first world country.

No. 544195

>>544184
NTA but same and I have a question. Since this is record number of people getting unemployment, where is the money coming from? I don't know anything about this really. Is it just going to run out eventually if it goes on for too long?

No. 544196

>>544182
The sad thing about this situation is that I don't think it'll change a lot for low-wage and convalescent home workers unless there's a huge shift in the government. Especially with how awful people are acting about "re-opening the country" when the reality is that they just want their annoying kids back in school and to be able to go clothes shopping again.

No. 544198

>>543852
Thanks Anon, it means a lot. I'm doing my best to keep sane as worrying is a pointless emotion. I dunno what they will say to us ( my family) tomorrow. My siblings are coping much better than me. A Mothers love is something everybody misses.

No. 544202

>>544189
I wondered about this too for a while, but I think it's because for a certain amount of upper middle class/richer Americans, their healthcare is really, really good. If you have an objectively good job with good health insurance, you have no complaints. You don't really want to change anything. You can see the doctors you want and your costs are low. You also have the money and influence to keep things the same. Health insurance companies also obviously have a huge incentive for the status quo since they make a shitton of money.

Poorer Americans with less desirable jobs and shittier healthcare plans usually hate it, but they're also fed the communist fear mongering angle that keeps them from supporting it wholeheartedly.

If this pandemic does change the perception of publicly funded healthcare, that would definitely be a silver lining.

No. 544282

>>544194
We got 1,200 on top of unemployment and even if we have jobs. The 1,200 was completely extra and did not effect benefits. So that’s like 2,400$, which we can definitely survive on. Rent in some states is only $400 a month don’t let anons confuse you. Furloughed workers and the self employed are all getting paid unemployment and can apply for food money on top of all the other assistance as well. For some of us we are seriously getting extra money. I’m not scared, the crime rate seems to be going up everywhere. Largest mass shooting in Canada anyone? And guess where there finally has been none in years. America isn’t doing so horrible, people either don’t know how to get assistance or just want to complain about everything.
>>544195
Employers pay unemployment taxes every year, even if no one uses it. So it come from taxes.

No. 544286

>>544282
I’d also like to add we don’t pay all utilities, maybe just electrical and right now no one is paying it because they won’t turn off services. It’s up to the landlords for what utilities are paid. I think that’s how it is everywhere though? But despite that you can apply with your local (American) electrical company to have your power paid for you or most of it paid if you are struggling. We have something called SNAP food benefits, food cards, ANYONE can apply and anyone can get the benefits right now. Thats real money you can use to buy food.

No. 544287

>>543627

The answer to all of those questions is "no"

No. 544291

>>544287
Furloughed workers can apply and get paid by unemployment right now, use fucking google dude.

No. 544299

>>544286
Same anon, there’s also food banks. With people like my boss collecting 260 pounds of food from her rich neighbors and bringing it down to our shitty towns food bank. So really there’s a lot of fucking assistance available in america. Every heard of a welfare mom? People been living off the government here for years!!!! Seems like some anons just don’t know all that’s available to them.

No. 544304

>>544299
i used to be a piece of shit and apply for emergency food stamps every once in a while and just use them until i got denied.

No. 544306

>>544291

Literally going off the definition off the word "furlough". I thought anon was referring to if employers pay for it.

No. 544325

>>544299
Yeah a lot of adults are able to mooch off of unemployment and govt benefits. My boyfriends sister has been living at her moms place for years and she has no job lmao meanwhile I’m an employed college student and don’t get any benefits because I work at the university so fuck me I guess. I have symptoms rn but there’s literally nothing I can do! There’s a law (in my state at least) that full time students who work at schools can’t get any unemployment. Most of the adult workers in my dept have just taken time off bc they get paid sick leave anyway and I’m pissed

No. 544333

>>544325
Anon I’m worried, Are you still working and getting business right now?

No. 544334

>>544282
>Rent in some states is only $400 a month don’t let anons confuse you
Yeah, the poor states where minimum wage is still less than $9. Where I live a mold infested two-room with no paid utilities is $800.

No. 544335

>>544325
>full time students who work at schools can’t get any unemployment.
that's because you don't pay taxes. unemployment is for people who worked and paid taxes because it comes out of tax money.

No. 544336

>>544334
Anon, in Seattle a one bedroom is $1,000. In Buckley, an hour away, a one bedroom is $500. Minimum wage is WA is $15. Stop trying to make it sound like America is shittier than it is, the reality distortion we all do is annoying. A two bedroom for $800? That honestly sounds really fucking good. I’m paying $1,200 no washer or dryer, I have to pay utilities, mold and tweakers, just for the area I’m in (not the city though). But I’m not bitching or exaggerating. I know what I’m paying for and why.

No. 544338

>>544325
>Yeah a lot of adults are able to mooch off of unemployment and govt benefits.
I tend to agree based on what I've seen. It seems like the people who were already getting benefits are doing fine, meanwhile students and the people in the middle but just short of being truly financially stable are suffering the worst. Which IMO is so unfair.

I have this one fool from high school on my social media and she drives me bananas with her entitlement. Granted she's got two kids, but she wasn't doing financially well before having them either. She's always been on assistance. So she hammed up at the beginning of covid how she isn't gonna be able to afford shit (besides quite literally being on medicaid, EBT, and her loser husband sitting his ass at home). Kind-hearted people who didn't realize she's just an exaggeratory bum sent her a ton of donations in food and donated her kids a bunch of toys. I'm happy for the kids (who otherwise live in her filthy hoard) but she's taking 50 pictures gloating about it instead of being just a teensy bit humble and not treating people's donations like another photo opportunity. She should feel a little bit of shame that she can't buy her own daughter a cute little tea set, but no less when people are out there literally wondering if they'll lose their homes. Forgot to mention how she conveniently finds money for the latest games and gadgets, she's playing AC right now and everyone in her house has the newest phones and tablets. I'm just saying, what is "struggling" there?

No. 544340

>>544336
Correction, it’s $12. Which is still really high but whatever, made my point.

No. 544352

>>544335
I do have a job where I pay taxes lol I literally had to pay over 200 dollars to my state for taxes. I’m also not eligible for any sick pay and they just found out that a coworker came into the office and possibly is infected but now they have to wait for testing to come back. So I’m risking my life because I have no other option which is great…..

No. 544353

>>544352
>I literally had to pay over 200 dollars to my state for taxes.

If you're not getting state and or federal taxes taken out, that's why you won't get unemployment.

No. 544355

>>544353
I do get that portion taken out. Still shouldn’t justify why I’m not protected under sick leave when I’m working here full time and exposed to dozens of nasty people daily who usually don’t even wash their hands after going to the bathroom

No. 544358

>>544113
Yeah no way they’ll open in May, I’m sure they only say that so parents don’t riot

No. 544386

i want to drop kick François Legault, filthy bastard. as if we're not being fucked enough

No. 544409

>>544164
I feel that. I don't qualify for unemployment. Freelanced gigs and no stimulus check for me since I was claimed as a dependent.

Really hoping for the 2000 a month to get approved. Could use that money

No. 544410

>>544409
That's never going to happen, they are trying their hardest to get people back to work instead. They'd rather have people die than give people enough money to live through the crisis.

No. 544411

>>544410
It's going to be a long time before my job will pick up steam again.
Might as well just get sick so I can claim unemployment through the CAREs

No. 544422

>>544410
Yeah my county is starting to open shit up next week because of low cases but they’re not even providing testing so how would they know. At least 6 people may have been infected from one person who came in to work and threw up yesterday lol and dumb old men still refuse to wear masks and they’re annoyed that they have to do it.

No. 544443

Anons, see >>543991

>Indeed, government interventions may have unintentionally accelerated this trend. Many countries’ fiscal stimuli amount to the largest scale experiment in Universal Basic Income (UBI) to date. UBI is considered by many to be a prerequisite for a successful AI-driven economy – by enabling businesses to potentially replace humans without impacting their welfare.


If the World Economic Forum itself is seriously considering UBI in their analyses and plans, it's definitely become a real possibility.

Please also read this link in its entirety:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/04/covid-19-universal-basic-income-social-inequality/
They are seriously shilling for UBI.

>The alternative to not having UBI is worse – the rising likelihood of social unrest, conflict, unmanageable mass migration and the proliferation of extremist groups that capitalize and ferment on social disappointment. It is against this background that we seriously need to consider implementing a well-designed UBI, so shocks may hit, but they won’t destroy.


The conditions for implementing UBI exist, and so does a strong need, as the COVID crisis has shown.

No. 544444

>>544422
wearing masks makes no difference if you're not in a medical setting

No. 544445

There is significant evidence going around that we are going to experience a second wave in the fall and that it's going to be worse than what it is now. Also from what I've read pandemics come in three waves. This is all because America refuses to do a full on 14 day quarantine. We're just digging ourselves deeper and deeper.

No. 544469

Idk if anyone else is in the same situation but basically half of my city’s population was made of foreigners, backpackers and students who were advised to go back home ASAP because the borders are going to be closed for a while.

Except my roommate was part of that group too and now I’m struggling to rent my second bedroom (Main tenant). I don’t want to freeze the rent or break my lease because I can still afford it by myself (it just fucking doubles my own rent of course) but damn.
I’m glad I only have one spare bedroom but Jesus Fuck everyone is scrambling to find roommates these days, we’re all competing with insane price reductions.

No. 544474

Seriously fuck Japan and the people who are celebrating the "low numbers". You have to jump through hoops to get tested here. No test, no infection to add to the list. So on the news it looks great and people are itching to open back up. Japan barely even did any sort of preventative measure. People are still meeting and going shopping for things like clothes.

I am so worried that they'll keep doing low testing and will open schools back up on May 7th. My ass has to travel nearly 3.5 hours by train there and back with people wh o cough into the air. I don't want to get sick.

And god forbid you want the country to keep people home. Then you look like a doomer who wants people to lose their livelihood. No, I just don't want to get sick. I don't want people to die. I don't want hospitals to be overwhelmed.

No. 544481

>>544445

Let's just stay locked in for 2 years then, anon. Fuck me dead.

No. 544484

>>544481
NTA but we are looking at some form of social distancing being in place for the next 12 - 18 months (…maybe longer).

They will gradually relax social distancing though so it won't be that length of time in complete lockdown.

But some form will be in place until either we are able to test the majority of the population for antibodies to sars-cov-2 or until we can vaccinate most people.

No. 544497

>>535839
I have taken 4 xanax and I am still in a panic, I don't know what the Doctors are going to say, my mum has outlived their predictions, but they want a family meeting. Thankfully I have siblings that are a lot more calm than me. If the very worse news is " do you think we should stop treating her" I am going to vote NO, in case a vaccine is found or she gets better. I feel so strange right now but that maybe the Xanax. ( dumb I know )

No. 544499

So I don't know if that is entirely true but heard that the virus can also affect the nervous system and cause alzheimer in recent studies

No. 544506

>>544499
It's been demonstrated that it crosses the blood/brain barrier so it can affect the nervous system, but there's no way anyone has evidence it causes alzheimers. That takes years to develop and we've had this virus less than 6 months.

I'd be more worried about the possibility of lung damage or post-viral chronic fatigue.

No. 544513

i'd rather live in a zombie apocalipse it'd be actually fun

No. 544519

>>544506
when I first posted about my mum I was asking if there was any med fags that could explain why my mum was behaving so strange, she kept on asking about her " baby" and that her " baby was sick", She was on about me as I had a milder form of Covid, some anon explained she was probably having a fever.
I agree with >>544506 it is to early to know that for sure, but I am pretty certain most people that has had a severe bout end up with Lung Damage.
In the UK our Politicians were not following social distancing, yet only Boris and Matt Hancock got sick, the rest of the Cabinet did not, so I am kind of surprised by that. If they opened up the House of Lords where many are elderly I am sure COVID would run rampant.
Are there any Anon's here from Sweeden? How is the herd immunity plan going? has there been much support or protests.
Also I was reading on LipstickAlley ( LSA) That China should pay reparations as black people are more likely to get it. LSA was the only place I have heard this and I woder if other factors come into play like poverty which can lead to bad diet, Smoking, Stress etc, which will effect ALL races. I know LSA is not a reliable source but it can still be fun to read.
I hope all you Anons stay well. I am feeling calmer and detached, taking Xanax when I may be required to vote or have my say on a particular issue was stupid of me, but I got 0 sleep last night and I am still worrying, the cans have taken the edge off.My mum is a catholic and has asked for her ' last rites' but e cannot get a priest to visit her, sorry if I am rambling guys I am trying to focus on other things right now. I would like to thank all the Anons that asked about my mum, it means a lot to me. Keep you & your loved one safe Anons XXXXX

No. 544522

>>544499
Yeah it has neurological manifestations, such as confusion, loss of consciousness and acute cerebrovascular disease in some people.

Here's a recent article on what we think are the most common neurological symptoms https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928848

No. 544532

>>544522
Dizzyness, loss of consciousness and symptoms like that are due to the weakened oxygen intake mechanism causing your blood oxygen level to drop though, not because it's some supervirus attacking your nervous system and causing irreversible damage. And even that study says that a patient having neurological problems isn't necessarily due to the virus and it's too early to say that there's a correlation.

No. 544537

>>544513
you are a bit silly if you genuinely believe this

No. 544553

>>544532
Yeah, I should have been clearer, we know patients with covid get these symptoms but don't fully understand whether these are direct effects of the virus or if it's caused by indirect/secondary effects.

No. 544557

I would feel so much better if they would just talk about the plans to ease the lockdown, possible exit strategies etc, even if they don't give any date

No. 544592

>>544557
UK government said on their daily corona update today that it's likely social distancing will be in place for at least another year, basically until we get a vaccine or effective treatment.

No. 544596

>>544557
Plan on it for a year. Minimum. No one likes this reality but we are in a world of shit.

No. 544598

>>544596
You think we will be in a full or at least significant lockdown for a year minimum?

No. 544599

>>544519
I remember you and I've been wondering how things were going for you right now, thank you for the update. Sorry if you mentioned it before, but did you recovered fully? How long did it take? I assume you are >>544497

btw are there any italian/spanish/french anons here ? Do you think that they will extend the lockdown in your country?/basically what's the situation right now?

No. 544600

Do we know yet if it's going to be seasonal like regular flu? Like is it thought that numbers will naturally decrease in summer months only to return again in cooler weather?

No. 544602

>>544600
We think it will be worse in the winter than summer, but we don't really know for sure.

No. 544626

is there anything definitive about immunity yet? and if so how long it lasts?

No. 544643

>>544557
>>544596
I was thinking I wish they would extend the lockdown where I live instead of making everyone go back to work this week. I'm scared my loved ones (or possibly myself) are going to die because a few protesters pushed for shit to reopen prematurely. I'd be so glad if it went on long enough to keep us safe.

No. 544649

>>544626
Nope, and to be honest there won't be for a long time. The only way to determine how long immunity lasts will be to conduct widespread antibody testing, then track how many people who are confirmed to have had it get reinfected. We're too early in the outbreak to be able to do that.

Personally I wouldn't get your hopes up for lifelong immunity, other coronaviruses don't tend to do that.

No. 544653

Has it seperated into different strains where some are more deadly?

I keep seeing stories of couples who've died within days of each other and statistically I would think that's unusual given the mortality rates that we're going off of?

No. 544666

>>544653
Last I checked we had 8 different confirmed strains globally, but no apparent difference in mortality rates so far. Depending on age and underlying conditions it may not be too odd for couples to be dying together - it has a death rate of around 10% for people over 80, and that could increase with things like underlying heart conditions.

Also remember to compare the tragic stories you see in the news to the overall number of deaths. Couples dying together is in the same vein as young people dying - it'll be reported because it makes a good story, but as a fraction of the total deaths it may be pretty rare.

No. 544671

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looks like I only need to do my upper face make-up from tomorrow on because I got the news today that I have to wear a mask at work and with the new week ahead, you have to wear a mask whenever you go: shopping, going by bus etc etc. Ordered some washable masks today because the ones we have at work suck, look ugly and are expensive af (5 pieces for 70€ when you want to buy it for yourself). What a scam. Until mine arrive I will wear a self-made one tho lol

No. 544673

>>544653
It is evolving into different strains, but viruses tend to evolve to be less deadly, not more. The less deadly strains leave the host more mobile and able to spread to more other hosts, so those strains will always outcompete the strains that hinder the host more. Even if a deadlier variant pops up, it won't get far. A mutation that makes it milder, however, can spread.

No. 544677

>>544649
that's interesting, thanks! I hope effective mass antibody testing is available soon, that seems like a huge gap in the data and that resolving that would help us understand the situation a lot more. I guess what would be more realistic to hope for is that immunity lasts long enough to not overwhelm healthcare systems regularly

No. 544684

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>>544653
>>544666
Apparently china found multiple different strains, this is the paper on it, the strains didn't have different pathogenicities though, but they think it is capable of mutating to a more pathogenic form.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20060160v1

In the west we think there are 2 main strains.
Apparently the strain in Europe appears to be a more virulent one and the one in the states is less so.

No. 544701

>>544677
No problem, I'm glad my obsessive reading can be of use!

Antibody testing will be useful researchers, it will allow for estimates of how long immunity lasts and give us much better data on how it has spread through communities. Unfortunately it probably won't allow for 'immunity passports' like some people hoped. But yes, with any luck immunity will last long enough to at least disrupt the spread of infection in future outbreaks.

>>544684
Intriguing! Do you have a source on the two strains in Europe and the US? The last I read about two strains was the L-type and S-type variations, but that was back at the start of March and at that point the L-type seemed not to have spread beyond China.

No. 544708

>>544701
NTA, but this is the website where geneticists track SARS-CoV-2 strains

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

No. 544736

>>544592
Why does the UK seem so bleak about this, are they not planning to ease the restrictions at all? So many other countries in Europe are beginning to at least ease the lockdown

No. 544745

Are muslims more likely to die because of the ramadan?

No. 544752

>>544736
Might be based on how each country is coping healthcare wise, whether the NHS is struggling to provide enough beds/equipment for the sick?

No. 544753

>>544736
Brexit.

They still plan on going through with it. They can't depend on medical resources of the EU if they want out of it. Other EU countries can count on one another.

No. 544754

Why is it that especially men are so drawn to conspiracy theories regarding the virus?

My dad is usually a normal middle aged dude but lately he turned slightly crazy. He's against the lockdown, acting as if he's personally affected by schools being closed, agrees with crazy takes about our freedom getting taking away, rants about not being able to go to a hairdresser on the daily and now while we were watching footage of those right wing americans protesting with weapons he said he understands their point. He even agreed with the "we don't shut everything down because of the flu either!" shit… Bitch amongst those protesters was Alex Jones, a literal flatearther, that's not a person you want to side with.
We always have to remind him to wash his hands and then he only whines that it's useless anway. And all that because he thinks it's unfair that he still has to work (despite literally having an office on his own and very little contact to coworkers).

This entire crisis totally made me understand why there are so many uber liberal sjws in America, seeing as they constantly have to deal with lunatics who own more guns than braincells…and on the other side you have poor medical stuff dying for them.

No. 544755

>>544754
The exact same thing happened with my mum it’s actually kind of depressing. I think it’s more of a middle age thing than a man thing though

No. 544761

>>544753
Here is an article on the specific problems the UK is encountering with trying to handle brexit and the pandemic at the same time:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/04/uk/coronavirus-brexit-collide-intl-gbr/index.html

No. 544765

>>544754
I think men are that little bit more likely to turn to conspiracy when they feel a loss of control in their life. I was into conspiracy based forums years ago and most of the posters were unemployed men who repeated shit about how "the world has gone mad!" In reality they had gone a bit mad. People out of work right now will have all this time to overthink.

>This entire crisis totally made me understand why there are so many uber liberal sjws in America

I see it further dividing the two sides, I'm not american and can see peoples views in my little country starting to get more extreme. Some people think god is punishing us (with fucking covid) for finally bringing in abortion here. Logical.

No. 544780

I'm so angry I am shaking. My grandmother is in the hospital all thanks to the COVID and the doctors said she's going to die. The sweetest person I've ever met in my life is going to die all thanks to this virus. I'm not even angry at the virus tho, I'm so angry at the family she lives with (her sons) because they are the ones who kept bringing guests over, who didn't take this virus serious, who thought that as long as they pray to god then nothing will happen to them, who literally didn't give a fuck at all. And now look at this! They got their very own 75 year old mother sick who already has heart problems, a few chronic illnesses and asthma already! The woman who was my only mother figure in life after my own mom passed away! And she's not the only one who's positive too! The entire fucking family and the village they live in is too! All thanks to them the entire village is on lockdown and they were so fucking retarded and stupid and couldn't even put 2+2 together to realize that praying to their beloved god will not bring them anything. Holy shit, how do you even manage to be this fucking stupid? Are people seriously this brainwashed with religion? Is it too hard to use your common sense? And not only that but my uncle also got into a fight with the doctor because "his mom cannot be sick and the doc is wrong" like? The fucking doc is just trying to do his job what's the fucking point of attacking someone who's literally there to test people and that's it. You're the one to blame here you dumb fuck. You and your brother. Seriously fuck you.

No. 544797

>>544780
Anon, I'm so sorry, this is how I feel about my parents right now, they keep letting people come over and I just pray no one in my family gets it, but it's only a matter of time.

Now you know who your true friends are. Your family is full of idiots, I know because my family is doing the same thing. Remember this and never forget to put yourself first before all things.

This era is a wake up call and will seriously question the idea of "blood is thicker than water"

No. 544802

Is there any definitive information on studies about the outcomes of covid in relation to race? I'm wondering if it's an actual risk factor because of some genetic disposition or if it's environmental? And if so to which groups? The extent minorities are over represented in my area is bizarre to me, and a lot of these people didn't live in inter generational households or have an especially low socioeconomic status that would contribute to the fatality rate

No. 544803

In "most ironic news of the century", smokers are far less likely to die from covid:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

Nicotine binds to the same ACE2 receptor as the coronavirus, so it may inhibit the viruses damage. Here is a more scholarly article on the same issue:
https://www.qeios.com/read/article/561

So far data from 3 countries - USA, France, and China - shows statistically significant lower number of smokers sick with COVID-19 than the general population. Scientists are looking into this.

No. 544804

>>544802
It' not genetic, most of the data points to environment and racism, but I'm just going to stop before I get accused of derailing or racebaiting since people don't want to hear it. Just look it up.

No. 544805

>>544802
I was wondering this as well because there is an inflammatory disorder, sarcoidosis, that can fuck your lungs up and the occurrence and severity in blacks is a lot higher than whites. I had it when I was a teenager and the doctors didn't figure it out for a while because it's rare in white people. At its worst I could barely breathe and couldn't walk up a few stairs without being out of breath. I looked it up but couldn't find any info about sarcoidosis and coronavirus being linked. I think it's more what >>544804 said, but yeah let's not go into race baiting territory

No. 544806

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No. 544814

>>544780
Easter europe anon? sounds just like my family

No. 544931

>>544736
There's a breakdown here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52374513 on why we can't ease lockdown at all yet. Basically our government dropped the ball so badly on PPE for health workers and on testing that we'll just have a second wave as soon as we let people out. If we could sort out those two factors we could start easing lockdown like in mainland Europe, but we have a clown for a PM and cabinet full of people appointed to handle Brexit, so I'm not optimistic.

No. 544953

>>540224
The only ones I saw are those who mentioned they HAD it. I am very much still alive and I assume the other Anons are as well. if any Anons get really ill with it, they are not going to be able to post here. Thanks for asking Anon.

No. 544955

>>544599
Yes I am fully recovered, I thought I had a chest infection then a cold as I was coughing then I had no smell or taste, if I had to guess I would say about 3 weeks, my breathing only seem to be effected at night. If any anon have a cough, please don't take nighttime cough medicine that can make things worse.

No. 544961

>>544780
So sorry to hear that Anon. I can understand your anger, frustration and the feeling of utter helplessness. Are you able to make any kind of contact with her at all?

No. 544962

>>544802
LSA ( Lip Stick Alley) has a lot of theories, but they are not the most reliable source, but if you are interested it maybe worth you having a look over there.

No. 544966

My local county judge has made it mandatory for people to wear masks outside or risk paying a $1,000 fine

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/04/22/harris-county-mask-order-coronavirus/amp/

People like law enforcement and other county judges are calling this law draconian and totalitarian, her response was: “well, that’s your opinion, you’re spreading the pandemic!”. These same people won’t enforce this law in other jurisdictions so the rest of us are now fucked.

Thanks, you stupid bitch.

No. 544972

>>544962
Those same people claim that black people are being solely targeted by the virus because “muh melanin” and “da white man wanna take us down”, so take that with a grain of salt.

I like lurking in conspiracy alley though

No. 544974

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>>544966

Wow and in fucking Texas of all places. Even Brits wouldn't put up with that kind of judicial overreach/Stasi bullshit. If Boris says we have to wear masks, then fine. Local fuckwit judge?! No.

No. 545013

Anyone else hate these 98 percentser types, they keep on repeating that we have a 98% chance of survival and more people die daily from cancer and road accidents so we shouldn't take this seriously, do these morons not understand

No. 545054

When do non-filers get their payment? (US)

No. 545080

>>544974
Your whole post is hilarious at this point because why wouldn't you trust a local judge's ruling over someone like Boris Johnson?

No. 545082

>>545080

It's not about trust or respect, etc. It's about who's got the authority to order that kind of thing whether I agree with it or not. In the UK the authority for this kind of decision is with the PM and the cabinet, afaik.

No. 545101

>>545054
Still haven't got mine. No one actually knows.

No. 545311

>>545013
I hate those people. Someone told me today that everyone's going to get it so there's no reason to panic and I should just relax.

I don't think these people have any sort of health compromised loved one or they just think the serious cases in otherwise healthy young people aren't real. 98% or not this is not a lottery I want to play with.

No. 545498

So Georgia is supposed to reopen hair salons, tattoo parlors and gyms today? Reopening aside, why would you choose to first open places where people sweat and are in close quarters??



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