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Marilyn Manson #1 : Fuck You Edition:>>951424
Marilyn Manson #2 : Chin of Sin Edition:>>958209
Marilyn Manson #3: In Search of Lost Tooth Edition:>>969968
Marilyn Manson #4: Fake PR Moves Edition:>>982539
Old thread bio updated.
By popular request, one unified thread to collect all milk on Marilyn Manson, 51 year old drug addict, washed-up rocker, serial abuser and rapist still trying to live vicariously through his glory days of the 90s when he was still young and the drugs hadn't completely fried his brain.
> Accused by multiple ex girlfriends including Evan Rachel Wood of rape, physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, torture, forced confinement, and forced drug use.> Uses his barely legal fanbase to find young girls to groom, abuse and take advantage of while dangling the same one liners of helping with their careers, putting them in a music video or wanting a serious relationship.> Publicly talked about wanting to beat Evan Rachel Wood's skull in with a sledgehammer.> May or may not be using multiple sockpuppet emails to harass and stalk girls, alleged to have fake Model Mayhem account to find 18 year old girls to groom under the guise of photographing them.> May have had a sexual relationship with Lilith Levisis (also a cow; see thread) when she was underage, tried to pit her against his other girlfriend at the time, Gabriella.> Has an assistant (sockpuppet?) named Judd who has been implicated in verbal and emotional abuse and stalking towards young girls.> Long term drug addict and alcoholic who hit the wall going 100 m/h then got liposuction and tried to claim the bruises were from being beat up by Lindsay.> Torpedoed his marriage to Dita Von Teese over 10+ years ago and still trying to remake every girl he dates into her image.> Long term on and off relationship with Lindsay Usich, 35 year old NEET and Dita skinwalker who met him when she was 25 and has been implicated in verbal abuse and stalking herself, using his phone to send nasty message to other women he is dating or friends with, and being violent to fans.
No significant social media links, except for the official @marilynmanson.
Lindsay Usich's instagram is @lindsayusichofficial, comments disabled.
Discussed in First Thread:> Receipts from multiple accounts discussing accusations of abuse/assault by many including: Evan Rachel Wood, Esme Bianco, Clare Buley, Louise Keay Bell, and Ashley Morgan.> Harassment and death threats from Manson and/or orbiters including ex assistant Judd and anonymous "online troops".> Horrorshow performances from Lindsay and Mom Hope Harvey harassing and talking shit about/to Manson fans.> Also discussion of just who is controlling who in the Manson/Lindsay relationship.> @mansonisabusive kindly shared many receipts and info.> Paranoia and suspicion a-go-go about general circus that surrounds El Chinno Manson and his Hollywood Hareem.> A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>> 951424
Discussed in Second Thread:> More receipts, maybe from whacko liars, maybe from genuine victims of the Manson Sleaze Wagon.> Lindsay concentrates all efforts into sharing updates from blissful Covid cohabitation, inc lots of plants, cats, other sickly stuff but most importantly - usually flashing what looks like an engagement ring.> Also shares a post from her cousin, who speaks of an encounter with Manson, in which Manson refers to Lindsay as his "fiancé".> Farmers work out this anecdote actually reveals that the "engagement" happened about six years ago.> It's decided once and for all that Madelyn is a deluded pick me, although entertaining. Made a half-hearted attempt not to give her any more airtime as she self-posts and encourages orbiters to post.> A slew of other batshit fans come to light.> @mansonisabusive IG account visits and shares very interesting caps. We thank her.> Still waiting for the @666fearless full story.> Die Antwoord/Zheani/Manson connection is mentioned. Zheani has dirt on Manson, but no one knows what.> Discussion of Linday's catfish accounts including Ticklish Witch, Mina Lowry and others.> Talk of superfan turned superhater, Tiziana Collins aka Titti, and whether she faked her own death to return as her own mother.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the second thread for:>>958209
Discussed in Third Thread:> Receipts Lindsay fought with ex side chick, Viktoria (Twitter: @LaPetitMort_), and made Viktoria's personal information public via her Twitter.> Receipts from Viktoria's twitter of Marilyn Manson talking shit about John 5 (with whom he was about to tour).> Extensive evidence of Lindsay's full-of-cheap-bots followership, poor PR and desperate attempts to build a career for a 35 year old NEET at a last minute.> Manson and Lindsay's engagement announcement (with zero media coverage no matter how hard they tried).> Louise Keay Bell, one of the victims, came to the thread to milk her trauma and change the narrative of her experience with Manson when no one had been talking about her.> Receipts Manson sent legal threats to Louise Keay Bell, receipts of Louise Keay Bell and Jessicka Adams claiming Manson had sex with underage girls.> Receipts Lindsay was grooming girls for Manson.> A social statement of Louise Keay Bell saying Lindsay was part of Manson's sexual assaults.> Even though Louise Keay Bell was very vocal on her recent abuse case when nobody actually asked her, she was not brave enough to address anything from the above.> Proof of staff molesting female fans and abusing their position.> @fearless666, aka Michelle, abuse case fully revealed, some anons questioned her credibility.> More evidence of his abusive, toxic, racist, misogynistic behavior from various interviews.> Proof that Manson forces his orbiters to sign NDAs.> Poor fake and full of shit PR moves.> A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>969968
Discussed in Fourth Thread:> A video of Manson admitting to fucking underage girls on stage.> Madelyn was accused by anons of sitting outside of Manson's house in her car on Lindsay's birthday. A photo Madelyn had taken of herself in her car and a few of Hope Harvey's tweets (quoted) from before she went privately were posted as proof.> Questioning why Hope went private in the first place. Deduced that Manson's lawyer probably reached out to her because she was sharing too much personal information.> Talk of an account (@_noname666_) that commented on one of Madelyn's posts, mocking her and her "relationship" with Manson.> More conversation about Madelyn. She allegedly messaged an anon, and they somehow found out that she was a trust fund kid.> Suspicion of whether Lindsay and Manson are already married or not after he posted a photo on his IG page, wearing what looked like a wedding band with the caption, "The Price of Darkness."> Receipts of now deleted hate accounts and subscriptions that Louise Keay Bell posted. @666fearless was also being harassed. Both blamed Judd/Manson for it.> Screens from a website claiming Lindsay had a "baby bump". Debunked as a hoax.> Dawn (@missdangerx, @guitargunn, and possible other accounts) splurging and accusing Manson of being a pedophile. Also claims that he had a fake FB account (Mark Peak II) and harassed her, using her personal phone number. Passed off as a troll.> @_noname666_ joined the thread for a bit, revealing that Manson's was (allegedly) formally diagnosed with both bipolar and narcissistic disorders. He was prescribed lithium that he sometimes forgets to take, which is supposed to be an excuse for his behavior. Alludes to Manson being Lindsay's financial supporter and main source of income, even during periods where they weren't living together.> A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>982539
She said "Accusing someone of doing what you did to them 4 years ago is psychopathic and disgusting. Projecting once again, dear narcissist. I have nothing to hide, but you do"
Honestly doesn't sound like it's for Lindsay. Has anyone ever considered he is the person she bitching bout(samefagging)
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From her latest IG story.
I don't think Manson would press legal charges against her. He enjoys the attention too much, and her account benefits him. I think Lindsay either made him do it or she did it herself.>>1013305
She's still connected to Manson, though. Maybe we should just talk about her in the Psycho Fangirls thread or make her her own.
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It’s not about him. A fan account posted a story saying that Madelyn has been harassing Lindsay for years and asked everyone to report her and all her other instagram accounts, and now she’s trying to pretend like she didn’t just spend the last few years devoting her life to slandering L on the internet which is cuckoo.
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I will lol so hard if it turns out Lindsay asked them to post this. That's her style
talking to a fan account? check
leaking information to a fan account? check
Bc a complete stranger would hardly assume that justice for him and mansonisinnocent both are run by Madelyn. Are they dope? Yep. Any evidence it's Madelyn behind them? Nope. What's more she never posted anything directly about Lindsay on her justice and innocent pages.
Everyone around him is so dumb.
Btw guess who rushed to collab with a black artist hoping that'll save his racist ass?
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with tits like these he is milky indeed lmao
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What’s up with Manson’s latest story? He shared Mansonstyle’s post with Taylor Swift’s song, Look What You Made Me Do with two guns. The post itself emphasizes the lyrics, “Oh, 'cause she's dead!"
Tinfoil, but list, guns, dead.. I think it’s a threat.
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Lindsay had the same story too so maybe it’s a crackdown on the harassment? Are people even still harassing her?
So Lindsay is threatening people too.
Idk if it’s about harassment but most fan accounts seem to kiss her ass now.
He reposted a post from fan account in his story.Lindsay did the same
Also he reposted another post from fan account, his paintings. Story is still there.
Both fan accounts have many followers. They are trying to show they respect their effort or something. The other fan account is a fan of them together. It could be lindsay using his phone again,if he never done something like 5this before, I don't know.
True, I didn't notice that.
But still ,interacting with fan accounts publicly is a new thing.>>1013348
He didn't get significantly bigger in quarantine.
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Know for a fact?
The Manson threads have had more trolls then I’ve ever seen on lolcow. Idk if it’s Manson but it’s obvious some people don’t want us posting about his abuse.
There are some similarities in the abuse stories. Legal procedure is not over yet but still, just take a look. Things in common are base for lifelong friendships.
Also @weissekatze account is private now.
They may share the same views on women, but I don't think it goes much farther than that. His ex-girlfriends have made statements saying that he wasn't abusive
during their relationships, and most of the time that type of thing repeats itself.
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Why the fuck is Lindsay bitching to a fan about Madelyn, does she not have friends of her own? I get Madelyn is psycho, I dislike her too, but that’s messed up that Lindsay would try to get fans to bully and report her accounts on her behalf.
Btw, Lindsay is still
buying bots and she’s been posting/tagging Marissa Zappos often lately, she’s probably trying to get her own perfume line? Fake followers doesn’t make her a celebrity.
That’s the thing too, Lindsay has harassed other women (Teale Coco, Viktoria, etc.) and if what noname666 and Amie Nicole Harwick wrote is true, blackmails Manson. I don’t feel sorry for him but their relationship sounds extremely toxic
. Lindsay has the nerve to complain about Madelyn? Whatever.
Lindsay comes across as.. boring. Flowers, cats, books, and old photos. It must suck to live with Manson. She probably doesn’t have much else going on hence why she often talks to fans.
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WTF is this shit? A new title? ‘We Are Chaos’? That kind of reminds me a little of Corey Taylor’s title to the Slipknot album ‘We are Not Your Kind’.
Something really shady happening here.
Both musicians who stole and copied off the same woman, and then made the same bullshit allegations.
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First the book… now this title.
Yes Corey did. He used a poem I wrote and used it for a song. That was way before Manson and that’s a whole other situation.
You obviously have below average IQ if you can’t see Manson took yet another post to use for a title.
I’m not trying to get attention. I’m posting this so that asshole knows I’m not stupid. He knows who I am. How do you think he made the false allegations?
Not exactly true (imo)
Abusers naturally seek a specific kind of person, someone they view as weak. The subconscious/consciously WANT to have a power dynamic so they seek specific people they feel might submit, someone with vulnerabilities or low self esteem.
Evan: young and naive
Louise: young and naive.
Esme: probably insecure and since she's English probably didn't have family that could intervene.
Jordyn: emotionally vulnerable
Lindsay: no income of her own because she's been in a ten year relationship
I think the girls he didn't abuse (stoya, Dita, rose) were spared because all of them had their own careers, all of them had other men lusting over them so he probably didn't abuse them because their probably confident enough to leave him (what the did)
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Anons needn't have hurried with a new thread.
There is nothing more cringy than this.
It should have been the main pic.
He's announced song titles of the new album, cringesome too.
1 Red Black And Blue
2 We Are Chaos
3 Don’t Chase The Dead
4 Paint You With My Love
5 Halfway And One Step Forward
6 Infinite Darkness
8 Keep My Head Together
9 Solve Coagula
10 Broken Needle
>Paint You With My Love
probably with bruises…
Whoa, that was terrible
.. so far fans on reddit/Twitter are trashing it.
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I was wrong. As the video plays it gets more and more cringy.
Here comes Dawn's proof MM is a pedo.
omg I am fan of his early albums, wtf happened. Okay he is a bastard of all kinds in his personal life, trash in person but his art used to be
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Yeah. I’ve been a fan of his art for 15 years, I even like his newer stuff, but that was embarrassing. The video looks like it was made in iMovie. I don’t have high hopes for the album.
Lindsay was quick to comment that they’re married. Lmao
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Lindsay is insufferable. How's that even relevant? 'We will keep it private' didn't age well, ha?
I checked a newsletter from MM official website.
These lines give me flashbacks to Lindsay's highlights and interviews. They are so original lol. And she tries so hard to be part of his 'art'.
Oh well.. from Dita to Lindsay, from great videos to that shit..
She tries so hard to be a part of his life. LOL
Maybe somebody will finally cover the happily ever after in the press?
She can use public transportation if she steps out of the house without him and nobody would notice. Stop trying to be a celebrity. It ridiculous.
Meh, all fanbases are like that. It did get far more likes then dislikes on YouTube.
I was never a fan of him, liked and listened to couple of songs but if this one was all I've heard years ago, I wouldn't even bother to check him out any further.
He said the new album is a masterpiece.He said a mouthful based on this song.
Idk, Manson fans tend be extra about it.
Bring up his abuse or question his behavior and you get jumped, which is why he’s probably gotten away with it for so long. His fans will make excuses for anything.
Do you understand the concept of intellectual property theft? That’s what taking ideas from someone is.
I don’t know what I can say or not say, but he made these insane allegations sometime around Dec. 2018. Now he obviously knew somebody to do this. In March of this year he had a fucking search warrant and had all my electronics taken. Exactly what Evan described in her testimony he does.. And that’s also abuse what he did to me.
You didn’t invent the word chaos, your caption wasn’t even close.
So now you’re on lolcow to talk about a legal case and bring this up 5 threads in?
A search warrant is only issued by a judge after probable cause is shown. Meaning Manson was able to show guilt on your behalf. You’re claiming Manson filed charges against you? You’d be able to prove that.
You can’t/won’t even answer basic questions. I’m thoroughly convinced you’re a troll helping Manson with false allegations.
Evan said he downloaded spyware on her electronics, big difference from them being confiscated by the police.
I don’t mean he did exactly what he did to her. I mean what she described is like what Manson does when you try to expose him.
Yes he made charges. What proof do you mean? This is all stuff that was going on in person. And no, a search warrant doesn’t automatically mean someone is guilty. Did I get arrested? NO. Yeah I bet he was all crying when I didn’t…
Because I’m not guilty of what he’s accusing me of. It’s a LIE.
As I said, I bet he knew someone to get that.
What basic questions are you talking about?
If you say that we're ill
Just give us your pill
Hope we'll just go away
But once you've inhaled death
Everything else is perfume
Maybe I'm just a mystery
I could end up your misery
Maybe I'm just a mystery
I could end up your misery
In the end we all end up in a garbage dump
But I'll be the one that's
holding your hand*
We are sick, fucked up and complicated
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick, fucked up and complicated
We are chaos, we can't be cured
Maybe I'm just a mystery
I could be your misery
Maybe I'm just a mystery
Marry with the left hand
So far so far from the mad'ning
We are sick, fucked up and
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick, fucked up
We are chaos, we can't be cured
Am I a man or a show, or moment
The man in the moon
Or a man of all seasons
Will I be in at the kill with you?
We are sick, fucked up and
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick, fucked up and
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick, fucked up and
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick, fucked up and complicated
We are chaos, we can't be cured
We are sick
I haven't listened to it yet, but it seems like the same broken, rebellious schtick he's always had. The video was almost funny. Maybe he was going for the whole raw, unproduced look. Or he just didn't have the means to make a better one because of quarantine. Maybe Lindsay helped, lol.
You would have paperwork if your electronics were confiscated by the police. Again, a search warrant is only issued if there’s probable cause: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_warrant
Does that mean you’re guilty? No, but Manson would have had to show police reason for the warrant. If it was someone he knew, that means police and a judge were in on it.
Anons have asked several questions in the previous threads that you ignored.
What did he charge you with?
How did you give Manson your phone number?
How did you meet?
What do you hope happens in your case?
I didn’t answer certain questions because I can’t discuss those things right now.
And I’m not going to say what he accused me of either because it’s total bullshit and laughable. He completely lost his fucking mind.
> What do you hope happens in your case?
Well for start… this dumb crap obviously needs to get dismissed because it’s absolutely absurd.
> You would have paperwork if your electronics were confiscated by the police. Again, a search warrant is only issued if there’s probable cause
I do have paperwork but it has personal information on it. This is Marilyn Manson we’re talking about, all probable cause goes out the window. Because whatever he showed, there is no way in hell that would warrant for this. It’s an abuse of power.
You can’t discuss details that would make your story somewhat valid
but you can make wild accusations on a gossip site? Seems legit.
Hmm.. what charges would require taking your electronics.. stalking?
We already know you’re name is supposedly Dawn and your profile says Vegas, you can cover personal info.
If you can’t show proof there’s no reason to believe you. What’s the point if you can’t back up your accusations.
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Uh, actually they don’t give one specific reason why they would take electronics. There could be a lot of reasons why they do.
And I will discuss those details… just not right now.
But here is the proof. I obviously had to black out the personal information.
Still difficult to believe you, you could have taken this from google images. No name is on it and you don’t show what property was taken. Why black out the police department if the address says Las Vegas.
Why can’t you discuss it now? You can’t even answer how you met Manson?
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Totally no real contribution to the current discussion BUT this picture made me laugh (with discomfort)
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This is out of the blue, but fuck. Madelyn really got BOTCHED. That boob job is really terrible. Her new boobs look totally anti natural and out of proportion with her figure.
Isn’t she constantly trying to be “elegant”? Because she looks tacky AF.
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I’ll discuss it on my time.
Google? lol You can’t find something like this on there. It doesn’t have my name, but it has where I live.
I didn’t think that part mattered… but you’ll probably still think I got it off google anyway. So think what you want, but I have all the paperwork; and eventually you’re gonna see this is all real.
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No, you’re fake as fuck because you refuse to answer any questions for over a year now, failed to prove any of your accusations, fabricated evidence, and seem to think Manson is bullying Christians which shows an agenda.
You claim Manson made a mystery charge against you, obtained a search warrant, and you hope to disprove the charges by.. acting a fool here?
Blast him on social media, sue him, I hope the he goes to jail. But why torture us here with your obvious bullshit when it helps Manson.
Why don't you make her a thread?
Why do anons talk to Dawn? Isn't it derailing the thread?
Thomas Hardy The madding crowd was what she referred to. Someone wrote that in comments section on MM IG post as explanation and she liked the reply from that person.
I'm gonna get banned for this because I'm supposed to post screenshot but I can't find that comment now. I just clearly remember reading it because I've also noticed her post being different from his lyrics. Didn't bother to look what that book is about and how it has anything to do with his song announcement either…
Bathsheba Everdene has the enviable problem of coping with three suitors simultaneously. The first to appear is Gabriel Oak, a farmer as ordinary, stable, and sturdy as his name suggests. Perceiving her beauty, he proposes to her and is promptly rejected. He vows not to ask again.
Oak's flock of sheep is tragically destroyed, and he is obliged to seek employment. Chance has it that in the search he spies a serious fire, hastens to aid in extinguishing it, and manages to obtain employment on the estate. Bathsheba inherits her uncle's farm, and it is she who employs Gabriel as a shepherd. She intends to manage the farm by herself. Her farmhands have reservations about the abilities of this woman, whom they think is a bit vain and capricious.
Indeed, it is caprice that prompts her to send an anonymous valentine to a neighboring landowner, Mr. Boldwood, a middle-aged bachelor. His curiosity and, subsequently, his emotions are seriously aroused, and he becomes Bathsheba's second suitor. She rejects him, too, but he vows to pursue her until she consents to marry him.
The vicissitudes of country life and the emergencies of farming, coupled with Bathsheba's temperament, cause Gabriel to be alternately fired and rehired. He has made himself indispensable. He does his work, gives advice when asked, and usually withholds it when not consulted.
But it is her third suitor, Sergeant Francis Troy, who, with his flattery, insouciance, and scarlet uniform, finally captures the interest of Bathsheba. Troy, who does not believe in promises, and laments with some truth that "women will be the death of me," has wronged a young serving maid. After a misunderstanding about the time and place where they were to be married, he left her. This fickle soldier marries Bathsheba and becomes an arrogant landlord. Months later, Fanny, his abandoned victim, dies in childbirth. Troy is stunned — and so is Bathsheba, when she learns the truth. She feels indirectly responsible for the tragedy and knows that her marriage is over.
Bathsheba is remorseful but somewhat relieved when Troy disappears. His clothes are found on the shore of a bay where there is a strong current. People accept the circumstantial evidence of his death, but Bathsheba knows intuitively that he is alive. Troy does return, over a year later, just as Boldwood, almost mad, is trying to exact Bathsheba's promise that she will marry him six years hence, when the law can declare her legally widowed. Troy interrupts the Christmas party that Boldwood is giving. The infuriated Boldwood shoots him. Troy is buried beside Fanny, his wronged love. Because of his insanity, Boldwood's sentence is eventually commuted to internment at Her Majesty's pleasure.
Gabriel, who has served Bathsheba patiently and loyally all this time, marries her at the story's conclusion. The augury is that, having lived through tragedy together, the pair will now find happiness.
Yea. It's still not a real quote.
I found the Wikipedia definition much more interesting;
"Morganatic marriage, sometimes called a left-handed marriage, is a marriage between people of unequal social rank, which in the context of royalty prevents the husband's (or wife's) titles and privileges being passed on to the wife (or husband) and/or any children born of the marriage."
So she thinks she's subordinate to a rapist. How sad.
"Gabriel, who has served Bathsheba patiently and loyally all this time, marries her at the story's conclusion. The augury is that, having lived through tragedy together, the pair will now find happiness."
Sounds like a healthy relationship lmao
Maybe not proud of it but use to it.Honestly, I'm still not sure what to make of her: is she a calculated gold digger or a brainwashed victim
They have been together for 10 years,she obviously neglected her personal growth, as we see from the stuff she posts online. I honestly believe she thinks marrying Manson is her greatest achievement in life and that people are jealous of that. What woman in her right mind would marry a guy like that? I mean a guy with patterns of horrific abusive
behavior? No money is worth that.
I'm guessing a modern day morganatic marriage in their case would be a wealthy man (MM) and a lower rank woman (Lindsay) being in a relationship where he financially provides for her and gives her "rank by association" under his social status (her having social media accounts and going to events and what not) but then her allowing him to practice non monogamy with women at higher ranks than her (gorgeous Instagram models, random young celebs like Bella Thorne, traditionally beautiful women that would rise above the women he has the physical capacity to attract)
(Note: when I say "rank by association" I'm talking about connections in their case, like all the random art interviews she gets now and the verified social media pages. The red carpet pictures and name mentions given to her by her association with him publicly)
She's pathetic and weird. Jesus Christ, do these idiots even know how to properly read and interpret a book? Seeing Lolita as a love story and interpreting the book mentioned above as something positive? These two really know how to read classics and butcher the fuck out of the interpretations and authors true intent/message.
Such a weird, abusive
and degrading way of life. This man clearly lacks the capacity to give and receive love in normal ways. Imagine STILL doing weird bullshit like this at 50 years old. Poor Lindsay. Probably the reason almost every other woman he's engaged to ran for the fuckin hills before they can even the cake tastings.
He has literally stunted her career that's why she posts work that is years old. I read in this article that he prefers his girlfriends to not have careers of their own so his will always systematically fall first. I can't imagine what it's like being in a relationship with someone like him.
Granted she and Ashley started their careers together I'm surprised she's not a cofounder of Ashley's clothing line. Seems like he actively wants her to have nothing of her own unless he gives it to her/when he decides to give it to her/how he decides to give it to her and I'm guessing he can take it back as well. I bet if he told her to delete all her pictures and work offline, she would. Controlling
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I have a feeling Lindsay is so skinny and pale because he consumes most of the food in the household.
What is it with him and food deprivation? ERW and Esme are the only ones who complained about that and being ridiculed if they didn't dress right. That is just so wierd. Do you think it's because at that time he felt like his own look starts to deteriorate so he felt jealous of them being skinny or what? Women before didn't mention he starved them or kept them awake.
I'm honestly surprised how he allowed to let himself go like that ,how he has no willpower to control his eating habits. Even drugs didn't manage to keep him skinny. Antipsychotic medication which he probably has to take for his mental disorder can make you fat but that could be taken care of with his amount of money by hiring a professional nutritionist.
"Married with the left hand" is a complex metaphor and reads as a dig against Lindsey. I am not suggesting Manson is a lyrical genius, but he does know enough symbolism to encode double or even triple meanings in some of his songs, and (giving the devil his due) his wordplays are sometimes clever. "Married with the left hand" carries the morganatic marriage meaning already suggested, along with suggesting the "left-hand path," or path of self-glorification in contrast to the "right-hand path" of service to a deity or to humanity. However, the layer of meaning I find a bit funny is this… the left hand has from ancient times been associated with evil or uncleanness because prior to the advent of toilet paper, it was used as the wiping hand in some ancient cultures. This is one reason we shake with our right, not our left. So, Manson is essentially bragging about marrying Lindsey with shit-wiping hand, an apt metaphor for how much respect and love he has for his new bride. In contrast, the "right hand" was classically viewed as the place of honor or status; hence, Jesus is said to "sit at the right hand" of the Father, and a King's honored guest sits to his right. In other words, she is valued as much as the shit he wipes out of his ass in the morning, and she will never be given the better side of him or a place of honor in his life. Nice guy - and even sadder she appears proud of this lyric.
"So, Manson is essentially bragging about marrying Lindsey with shit-wiping hand, an apt metaphor for how much respect and love he has for his new bride."
LMAO!!! Thanks anon.
I don't believe that he purposely had them sleep deprived to control and I don't think he starved them as well, it seems like the pressure and stress of being with him triggered
eating disorders. Both Esme and Evan had their own income and team, Evan was still working on semi mainstream stuff and doing interviews, she most definitely had access to food if she wasn't so brain fucked.
I think the sleep deprivation thing has something to do with the fact that he basically works at night while Esme and Evan probably worked during the day. I'm guessing he sleeps during the day up until late afternoon while they're working and he probably expected them to be awake when he was awake.
I have no doubt he abused them but these were two resourceful women that had access to resources most domestic abusers don't (like their own income, having Hollywood take photos of them confirming theyre out in the public, work, probably their own talent agencies…etc) that being said they had way more control than most abused women and some of those wrongs stemmed from circumstances/behaviors they allowed. If either of them were to show up at tmz and say "Marilyn Manson beats the shit out of me, I need help" they would have public awareness and a way out. That is something a lot of women DONT have.
Just ask Shelly Miscavige. As an ex scientologist, I cant help but compare the situations to cult abuse. Her husband is the leader of scientology and he ripped her from the public eye and no one has seen her since. It's been almost a decade…
Esme and Evan definitely had a way out
"The heart guides the hand" (something intentional and positive with pure intent coming from the heart. Output from the heart and input into the physical realm)
And then… "married with the left hand" (something that is just surface level. Married with the left hand. Outside the body. Kind of like "I look down at my left hand and theres a ring there so I guess I'm married")
I interpret too many tarot cards for my own good.
They didn't. Both of them were mentally unstable when they met Manson. He manipulated his way into their hearts, isolated them from friends and family until they felt like they were completely alone.
Evan and Esmé both talked about "surviving on very little food" and their abuser not allowing them to eat.
You can even see how much weight Lindsay lost in the first two years on paparazzi pictures.
I don't think they had a big "team", maybe a manager and a stylist, that's it.
Evan and Esmé got out eventually, but they both suffer from ptsd now.
Nta,that's what all abusers do.
Idk but it's obvious Esme and Evan have always been more 'resourceful' than Lindsay.
Why do you think they both were mentally unstable when they met? Abusers are abusers for a reason. They can mess up mind of a seemingly well off person too. There's no need to dramatize, the story is fucked up quite enough.
Lindsay has a rich father. I also contacted this mynxii girl about the issue and she said she could get her out if Lindsay wanted to. Will add the screenshot later.
Esmé said on twitter that she just got out of an abusive
relationship when the shit with the next abuser (Manson) started.
Evan basically was a confused child star. I'll post all the screenshots when I have time to look for them.
nta it makes me wonder if Lindsay is that lazy
she cannot get herself out. If Manson had so much control over Evan and the latter managed to have love affairs in between their relationship, wtf is wrong with Lindsay. She has a lot of time on her hands, especially when Manson cheats on her with a random girl.
But I don’t think she wants to get out, that’s the thing. He’s publicly done and said such awful things to her and she still married him because she wanted to. We already know she romanticizes unhealthy relationships, and I think being the one woman who could “handle” Manson is a huge source of pride for her. The most likely scenario here is that they’re both fucked up and slightly abusive
to each other and it works for them. All the side chicks and public breakups are probably just a part of the game for both of them. Plus what else would you do if your only identity has been “being someone else’s partner”?
Some of this thread needs to work on their common sense.
If you search "Evan Rachel Wood" on YouTube you'll see that majority of the viral results are about her alleged "abuse" her abuse story has conveniently pulled her into mainstream media platforms like the today show. Her abuse has conveniently opened a ton of doors for her career. She spent majority of her career doing low budget indie films and now she's managed to climb her way up to Frozen 2 and a top HBO show. When she had her son she moved back to NC or whatever and I'm pretty sure it stunted her career and now she's acting like some activist or LGBTQ member because its trend.
I believe Esme but when it comes to Evan I'm skeptical. It seems like she's embarrassed of her actions (taking him from his wife) and just acting like a stupid child and now she's trying to create distance from that narrative by suggesting it was forced abuse.
Evan joined Westwood in 2016, she didn’t become vocal about her abuse until 2018 when she testified. She had a successful career beforehand.
Also “took him from his wife” lol. This 18 yr old girl did not take this grown ass man who does whatever the fuck he wants from his wife.
This post wreaks of Magalyn.
even though I don't agree with >>1016719
she became vocal about her abuse in 2016, it was discussed in the second thread. she testified
in 2018 but gave a lot of interviews in 2016.>>1016719
it's ridiculous to have doubts about her case given everything he said in interviews+lyrics+videos and real footage of abuse. metoo started in sep. 2017
and ERW started talking about her experience in late 2016
Not sure if this is the place for lyrical analysis, but it is interesting to look at how Manson has glamorized abuse for decades in his music. Granted, he is a "shock rocker," but the recurring emphasis on abusing or degrading a romantic partner reveals something about his concept of "abuse as eroticism." For Manson, romance is never something happy or even conventionally sexual or alluring. It's all about pain and mutual abuse (he sees himself as abused and victimized, which justifies abusing and victimizing the women he dates). Just a VERY FEW examples of many:
Song: Into The Fire (High End of Low)
This is the film, close to the third act and the misery
It's not rain, you rapist werewolves
It's God pissing down on you
We'll die alone
Cause I'll break off my own arms
Sharpen my bones
Stab you once for each time I thought of you
Trying to take something
You'll never be good enough to even look upon
Isn't one nail without dirt under it
Isn't any white cotton panties that aren't soaked and stained red"
(Anyone remember the pic of Evan's panties soaked in blood in the last thread?)
The entire song "I Want to Kill You Like They Do in the Movies" - too long to post here. It's his self-admitted fantasy about murdering Evan.
Song: Leave a Scar (High End of Low)
So turn around and walk away
Before we confuse the way, we abuse each other.
If your not afraid of getting hurt
Then I am not afraid of how much I hurt you
I'm well aware I'm a danger to myself.
Are you aware I'm a danger to others?
There's a crack in my soul, you thought was a smile.
Song: Pistol Whipped (Born Villain)
You look so pretty
When you cry
Don't wanna hit you
But the only thing
Between our love is
A bloody nose
A busted lip
A blackened eye
These themes are less abundant in his pre-Evan work, but still present, as in the below…
Song: Para-noir (Golden Age)
I fuck you so I can fucking feel
Instead of nothing at all
I fuck you because you are beautiful
I fuck you because you're my nigger
I fuck you because I'm your whore
I fuck you because you are a whore
Fuck you because I love you
Fuck you for loving you too
I don't need a reason to hate you the way I do
Song: Count to Six & Die (Holywood)
She's got her eyes open wide
She's got the dirt and spit of the world
Her mouth on the metal
The lips of a scared little girl
I've got an angel in the lobby
He's waiting to put me in line
I won't ask forgiveness
Song: Deformography (Antichrist)
"I lift you up like the sweetest angel
I'll tear you down like a whore.
Then there are these "great" videos for the songs Mephistopheles of Los Angeles and No Reflection that display his weird fetish for drowning women….
His use of the n word holds no philosophical or lyrical significance. This guy is just ignorant. I can see if he was using it as some commentary about society but in this context hes using it as some kind of degrading comment.
These rapper dudes he hangs with need to do their research and due diligence because this guy is just a racist and knows he can get away with it because he's marilyn manson.
Why these mainstream African American rappers give this fat fuck the time of day? I dont know. His image outshined his music a long time ago and now he's just trying to shock.
He could write a song with only one word (nigger) and mainstream media still wouldnt pay him any attention. I honestly think society was done with him once that shooting happened. He was cancelled before canceling people even existed
nature will never leave. I don't understand how an only child can grow up to be this fucked up.
He's not even worth canceling tbh. Canceling someone would require the person to have a position in mainstream culture or influence over a large portion of society. He has neither.
The only person that seems to publicly like him is that lil uzi vert guy, and even then, it seems like the African American community still rejects him and the idea of him.
He went to this astroworld concert thing and it's my all time favorite clip because as soon as people spot him and lindsay walking everyone freezes and is like "what the fuck is that walking towards us" https://youtu.be/DcjSyMqTTq0
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This was in February.
She was kinda passive aggressive but I haven't seen her around Lindsay since.
I also removed the small talk because it's irrelevant.
She’d been wearing that diamond engagement ring since at least last year, the engagement didn’t seem new. I think this girl was saying “she can marry him next week if she wants and I’ll support that.”
What’s confusing to me is how are all these anons talking to all of these people? You’re just randomly messaging people going “hey talk to me about Lindsay”? And then they do?? Why?
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Texts between him and Gabriella(?), Reposted from the 2nd thread. I couldn't not lol at the way he speaks. He sounds like an incel.
There are other threads for other rockstars and celebrities with shitty personalities – granted, a lot of the older ones, like Steven Tyler, have gotten away with it because it happened in the 70s and there wasn't much media coverage at the time. This one focuses on Manson. Being famous doesn't give him (or anyone else) the right to abuse women and exploit fans.
I'd say it's partially the personality disorders that affects how he treats people, but he's also a product of his environment, in a way. He was spoiled by his parents, and now, his orbiters and girlfriends. If he could take some time to work on himself, alone, I'm sure his mentality would be a lot more stable.
That’s my first guess. >>1020618
You’re making sweeping generalizations. Also, look at what happens to those rockstars and celebrities that keep living that lifestyle - it eventually catches up with them. And I think Manson's has finally caught up with him.
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Flabbriella still trying to figure Manson out years later. She threw in “recently dumped” to make it sound like she was talking about someone else. LOL. This was in 2019.
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His other exes said he talked shit about Lindsay to them (blackmail, etc).
Manson also told Gabriella this. Lmao
Hi Lindsay. Of course you came across this milk, because all you do is sitting on your ass all day!
Let me help you:
Open relationships is a consensual agreement made by two or more people where they agree equally and on free will to see other people, under their own previously agreed terms.
What you have is different. You, Lindsay, had to accept that he would sleep with other women regardless of what you think.
Because, let's be honest: Why would he choose you among all the women he has been seeing for the past years?
I can say almost certainly they all were way more beautiful, talented, and had their lives more together than you.
The only reason he is with you is because you know how to play your cards, and you have just the right amount of blackmail and know him well enough to step in when your "relationship" looks in danger. And you're desperate enough to keep doing it year after year, because you know you don't exist without him.
You're nothing. You're ageing (not very gracefully, I must say), don't have a career of your own, or any talents. You can't even get a child from him.
You're useless, and just because you've decided to try to change your reputation for your own good and his, doesn't change the fact that you both have a lot of dirt flying around, and soon enough, everything will come out to the light. And it won't be nice!
Have a good day!(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
It was Lindsay not Madelyn. She did the same with Teale Coco, deliberately misspelled her name. (See old threads)
I am sad Gabriella follows his life. I really liked her, she seemed to be smarter than his other girls.
Not true. Lindsay isn't infertile and Manson never had a vasectomy.
But, let's be honest, what are the chances of someone like Manson to get anyone pregnant?
He's 51 and has been abusing drugs/alcohol since even before he became famous. Let's be honest here.
Found this on reddit. Someone firsthand claims Taylor Momsen was choked by Manson.
Link in case embed doesn’t work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2LGKZkoaho&feature=emb_logo
>>1021374>Rocker Taylor Momsen likes to be choked thanks to goth godfather Marilyn Manson. The Beautiful People singer clamped his hands around the former Gossip Girl star’s neck when they performed together at the Revolver Golden Gods Awards show in 2012 and now she confesses she enjoys the sensation of being strangled.
Momsen tells Revolver, “It was fking awesome. He f
king choked me out onstage… really f**king hard.>“The people there were like, ‘You need a doctor. Are you fine?’ ‘Dude, I just got choked by Marilyn Manson – I’m f**king fine!’
“And now I really like getting choked out. You learn things.”
Apparently he's her godfather, too?
Can you link your source?
I don’t believe he’s her godfather, that sounds like what the media referred to him as in the interview.
It seems the story Taylor told her personal assistant (in the video) is different then what she told the press.
Manson grabs her boob around 2:05 in the video, not sure if it the same groping you’re referring to.
The girl who made the video is who posited it to the Manson reddit. You can find the thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/marilyn_manson/comments/i7u3bc/hey_marilyn_manson_quit_being_such_a_drunk_and/
I don't know if it's reliable or not, though. I'd never heard of it before. I had a bit of trouble with copying and pasting, so lmk if the link doesn't work.
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Probably not over him as much as just humiliated. She spent years on Instagram under catsanddevils, and talking in DMs to mansonisabusive saying “he’ll never marry her!!!!!” Also her constant “just wait and see” and “whats down in the dark always comes to light” shit all for it to end with…M marrying Lindsay. I’m sure she’s still obsessing over it but what can she possibly say publicly that won’t make her look insane at this point? Especially since she’s found this thread?
Hopefully with all her time off back in NC with her parents she’ll enroll in college and maybe expand her worldview a little.
I laughed so hard at “goodie two-shoe homemaker.”
Can you imagine Manson goes from choking Taylor Monsen and all the other fucked up shit he’s done over the years… to being a homemaker? Lmao. Does he really think ppl are that stupid to buy him & Lindsays act?
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You’re right - fans aren’t buying it either. Is MM on reddit too?lol That looks and sounds like him responding to that guy, trying to defend him and Lindsay’s relationship. B/c like that crimson dude said, why would someone be getting so defensive?
He’s also right - if he did make an album about Lindsay - it sucked. Which is why he went using other women.
He isn't her godfather lmao
And Taylor was very obviously starstruck. She'd never get into a situation like that now.
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It is Lindsay, Ashley's nose is different. And Lindsay did have long hair. Lurk moar anon, hope there's no offense.
Where is this photo from?
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could OP please explain what the hell is in the pic?
What is this black space? Is it a back of a sofa? Is it black leather then? There is a reflection of a woman wearing a white dress, her legs (thighs) are seen. Is it Lindsay's reflection? Then it's a selfie.
What are these black small spaces near her boob?
Now we know she had her boobs done. Even her boobs, the only thing she showed off as her best accomplishment is fake. Okay. Thx.
OP please what's the year of the pathetic nudes?
Lmaooooo did she really just come on here and drop a photo of her titties. A mood honestly… Sounds like something my friends and I would do.
I just searched this photo and it's no where else on the internet. Meaning it's either cropped or a private photo she posted.
Bitch basically said, "if you wanna converse about something, talk about this titties" dropped a photo and dipped.
That looks like a faux leather portfolio bag tbh.
She's networking lol…love that for her
(I don't see any leg reflection. The bag is semi matte. I don't think she had a boob job or photoshopped…there's veins and shit. I know people on here don't like to give her credit but she has nice tits.)
It looks like she's on some casting couch in a hotel room or something. Granted most of his girlfriends were are porn stars, strippers, vintage strippers or cam girls a d he doesnt seem bothered by that in the slightest, I wouldnt surprised if she was lowkey a cam girl and made videos somewhere online under some alias.
It's definitely a career that would allow her to make her own money. I wouldn't be surprised if he was in on it too/took the photos himself or anonymously made videos with her somewhere.
- He's posted videos of him having sex on Instagram.
- He did that heart shaped glasses video.
- He made all those weird bdsm sex short films with Evan.
- He has been masturbating on stage for almost 20 years now…
- Some of his music videos could be considered straight up porn.
He definitely meets the characteristics(constant spam and samefagging)
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>>1021853>I don't see any leg reflection
I did my best to show my point of view
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I honestly don't know. Maybe she just gained weight? Bc in those "recent" analogue pics she already has bigger boobs.
Also, she has a fucking pin-up tattooed on her back that looks prettier than her.. how brainwashed is she(lack of spoiler)
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I know I'm just nitpicking here, but did anyone else notice that little indention near the bottom? I thought maybe it was from photoshop or something.
PR? What would he need her for that for? He’s never used her in the past. It’s the worst PR. Anyone
that’s a real person and not one of their fake fan accounts or part of their management team trying to pimp their false whole ‘goodie two-shoe homemaker’ image, can see right through their act.
I doubt some random person would get so defensive and take a comment about their relationship so personal.
No, I meant those recent dark analogue pictures. She confirmed her engagement with them.
I also apologize for the lack of spoiler. Totally forgot.
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Lindsay got more work done since….
Trust you? No one even knows you. Sure… but there is something unusual about this particular one.
It has the underage stuff on it and the “I’d punish in my own way” comment stuck out. He also specifically covered his hand which is not something someone would have to do if they weren’t trying to hide tattoos.
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Doesn't look like that pic on Twitter.
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Speaking of Dawn, she’s still at it with that Satan page. This is all the PR that Manson needs, is for her to go around telling people he’s under fake accounts, lol. I don’t think Manson would have an OnlyFans or need to sell dildo ads. But who knows, maybe he’s fell on really hard times, lol >>1022023
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Honestly, I wouldn’t put it past him to be on Only Fans posting his “weirdness” too.
Both accounts on the same date with almost similar captions going off social media at the same time.
Him and his co-conspirators probably got all upset crying because things didn’t pan out the way they hoped.
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Yup he’s reading…
That’s because I’m perfect.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Michael is behind s8n. I really doubt
a journalist and the Observer is part of a conspiracy. https://observer.com/2017/02/donald-trump-made-twitter-satan-great-again/
I’m willing to believe Manson has some fakes but why are you insisting
he’s behind an account that’s proven their identity?
Co-conspirators? As in Manson and this dude Michael have an agreement to fuck with you and coordinate posts? Okay..
You’re a lunatic, I see why Manson supposedly pressed charges against you.
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Even though I think eyelet.black is a crazy woman who needs to be institutionalized, she has some "insightful" posts.
>M doesn't have any other accounts besides his official>we don't go into each other's phones>we like to keep healthy boundaries in our relationships
just report and move on.
Why the fuck is this schizo troll allowed to run rampant? She’s been banned several times in the past but keeps coming back.
everybody is confident about it. why does she need to lie?
Wtf are you talking about? You batshit lunatics don’t have any actual proof of this.
I can come in this thread and say that Marilyn Manson is a farmhand but that doesn’t make it true. Stop presenting your weirdo conspiracies as facts.
I think their confidence comes from what is known via his exes or ex-employees. Was it fearless666 who claimed Lindsay used his phone? Or Amie Harwick?
I personally believe she has access to his ig account judging by how he's been posting, idk about his phone though.
But this >>1022966
is a good question.
It’s a good point, but noname666 is supposedly his ex. Anyone
could claim to be them though.
As far as dating other women, Manson and Lindsay were on and off for years and didn’t hint at heir marriage until recently. She’s more prominent in his life now. >>1022970
It was 666fearless who said Lindsay and Judd control his phone and claims Judd is still stalking her. She and Amie Harwick both said Lindsay blackmails him.
>>1023174> Anyone can go make false allegations. It doesn't mean shit.
Exactly. Stop posting your conspiracy theories in the thread, and go obsess over Manson somewhere else.
And his "bloodshot eyes" were probably from smoking cannabis.
How does being dead have any bearing on her credibility? It’s not her fault she was a victim
of stalking, wtf. Amie Harwick was a professional psychologist, I’d say she’s very creditable.
What makes 666fearless crazy? She posted plenty of caps to back up her claims.
If you actually do have something against Manson, that's great. He deserves to go to jail for everything he's done. That's not what's wrong here. The problem is that you've infected all 5 threads with your spurging and you come on here every day, acting like a bitch and arguing with farmers. We heard you the first 10 times you said it
Your stories aren't even consistent, and if you didn't meet up with him to sign an NDA, then you shouldn't have a problem with sharing your evidence. That isn't going to hurt your credibility in court anymore than it does when you post your autism here. It was borderline believable at first, but you just kept going with it and now you just seem like another schizophrenic side-chick.
Do not start a conversation with her, she's nuts, just report and ignore.>>1023223
If I am not mistaken both women interacted with her personally.
Now all doubts about Lindsay reading this threads have been removed. I don't think she is posting here herself but some fans told her about it the same way they tell her about IG accounts.
Sending DMs to people you personally don't know and defending your relationship is hilarious. Making online friends in the age of 35 and not having one single picture of RL friends on your account is equally wierd.
It's obvious they're trying to create image on blissful marriage but anyone above the age of 15 knows it would've never happened if abuse allegations weren't floating around.
Btw that eyelet account is still active and still no one in the media covered the story of their marriage.
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I am probably late and borderline irrelevant but I want to put my two cents in.
First of all, I would not look into his early lyrics if I wanted to find something to discredit him. Not because there is nothing toxic
in them (bc there actually is) but because up until Eat Me Drink Me lyrics had always been a collective effort of the band, it was confirmed in several interviews by mm and former members. In addition to that, violence, abuse, including sexual abuse, was the subject of his reflections upon the American society at the time. You can lurk nachtkabarett or mansonwiki for more explanation.
the best 'places' to find shady shit are his albums right after TGAOG (like you quoted THEoL, for example). I want to post a little bit from TPE because, even if it seems like a stretch, it might give another dimension to the Manson&Lindsay discussion because, sadly, some lyrics lines correlate with anons' assumptions to the extent where things turn 'sad and sorry'.
When the album released there were persistent rumors Manson was shading Lindsay too much. It's a known fact that the devil beneath my feet features his text message to Lindsay:>Maybe she doesn’t understand that when he writes a song for his new album like “The Devil Beneath My Feet,” with lyrics like “Don’t bring your black heart to bed/When I wake up, you best be gone or you better be dead,” he’s not necessarily referring to her, even though they did come from a text he sent her.
I never looked at it from this angle but some posts like >>1015538
and 1015697>Lindsay can't even get his lyrics right.>Has anyone considered that maybe she knows what her "metaphors" mean?
made me want to rethink some tracks from TPE.
I don't want the post to be too long so I put my comments in the caps and highlighted the juiciest parts.
The last note from me is that the album was recorded around 2013-2014 and released in 2015, basically when first hate accounts and marriage rumors broke out.
inb4 anons reply to my post, read this twice
THIS CAN VERY WELL BE FAR-FETCHED, I AM NOT A LICENSED MIND READER.
lol, why so aggressive?>You batshit lunatics don’t have any actual proof of this.
Go back to the third thread and read fearless' and LKB's screenshots.
That was odd. I do wonder what that was about. >>1023702
Yes she said other things, but who knows what it’s actually about or if it has any relevance. At this point, it’s all very vague.
okay ya'll I am losing my shit
jfc why do you keep talking about her? she IS NOT part of the MM milk. There is ZERO evidence mm was ever in touch with her, she is not the cow neither his orbiter. wtf is wrong with you???
every single post about her is irrelevant
I tried googling search warrants, but nothing comes up like what she showed.
I don’t know about U.S. law, but I’m pretty sure that making a false police report has criminal liability. Depending on what he accused her of and the situation, it can be a misdemeanor or felony.
Yeah cause every person that posts about MM is related to him. He must have a huge family then.
Show us one piece of credible proof or fuck off and get back on your antipsychotics.
Now let's get back to the subject of the thread. Does anyone have theories why Lindsay is running his Instagram? Could it really be to trick everyone into thinking how happy they are and that he's not thirsting after other girls?
But it doesn't add up cause according to Esme and Evan it was the other way round and HE was controlling them and isolating them.
Does this bring us back to the blackmail story and the dirt Lindsay has on him? Covid really works in their favours then. No touring or hooking up with fangirls. Lindsay must be stoked and he must be fuming and slowly losing his shit if he hasn't already.
Are you sure he ever ran his own account?
Most celebs or even people with large followings have people run their social media. I have a small biz and have someone run Instagram cause it’s time consuming and draining af.
He could have just got a new social media manager that has a different style.
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I really don’t want to get Dawn started again but I’m pretty sure this proves he didn’t steal her shut.
(No I’m not a Manson fan) I just read this article posted from the last forum and it was published 21 September 2017! https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/sep/21/columbine-destroyed-my-entire-career-marilyn-manson-on-the-perils-of-being-the-lord-of-darkness
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Dawn didn't post her shit until 2018.
you guys are retards? can't fg stop posting about that autistic moron? I hope you'll get the longest bans ever.>>1025014>the blackmail story and the dirt Lindsay has on him?
The thing is there's been a lot of kinda conflicting information. There is evidence Lindsay harassed girls who had (or could potentially have) a thing with Manson, there is also evidence (in earlier threads I believe) that she "canceled" m&gs. So at some point she controlled him, but then there is a cap of LKB saying Lindsay actually groomed her for MM. It seems there have been ups and downs of control in their couple. If I had a pile of tricky shit on somebody, I wouldn't let that somebody treat me like garbage. If she has dirt on him is questionable to me, unless she's part of the dirt he's done (like in Louise's case).
>Does anyone have theories why Lindsay is running his Instagram?
He is a lazy fuck and he probably wanted to get her occupied with something. Why not?
To people asking how he could keep searching for girls and let Lindsay get into his phone - in the end, some people have more than just one cell phone.>>1025069
It's kinda common knowledge obvious from his past but no proofs so far.
What is the first pic?>>1025624
Shane is his photographer.
I mean he probably looks for girls and texts them for Manson. Louise even confirmed he has his employees do this.
Or he made some kind of business setup for Manson to use, e.g., a second phone so Lindsay can’t find (that’s if she is really going thru his phone).(Dawn)
Lol anon. LKB topic is something personal for you. What he's done to her is factual and it doesn't depend on how she felt about it or her motives. She is
a reliable source because no matter how many times she changed her narrative a few details never changed. Add legal threats from his team and do the math.
Agree. Abuse probably started later on as his drug addiction got worse.
Evan and Esme also had careers but that didn't help them.
Article mentioned Rose moving on but nothing about his current relationship status/marriage.
And they featured a post which has her tagged, lol. They tried so hard and zero attention.
This is how much relevant he is.
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Rose McGowan is a fraudster.
Wasn't that posted in one of the last threads? It sort of seems like she was only out for herself. Like, "Yes, I was a victim
of sexual assault, and I want my abuser to be punished, but fuck all the other men and women that have been abused because it's not my problem."
Rose was already discussed in previous threads but I don’t think Manson lost his shit until Dita left him. If you read his autobiography and how he treated his mother, he’s been an asshole to women his whole life but I don’t believe the blatant abuse started until his relationships after his divorce, imo.
So what if he didn’t abuse Rose or if she’s lying for him, that doesn’t eliminate multiple abuse allegations. If anything, I lost respect for her.
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Caps. It's strange that Teale Coco commented, too.
Well this disproves that theory Lindsay runs his Instagram. She probably would block Caca Shitnel. >>1026579
He can’t run from the sins of his past… they’re just catching up with him.
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I don’t think so
I think Lindsay wants to act classy and forgiving, or as if nothing ever happened lol.
Now her like on Gabriella's post makes a bit more sense.
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He even prides himself in it.(Dawn)
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I would completely disregard most of the nonsense he talks about in his interviews. I believe all the people who are saying things, though. There's no smoke without fire. But saying that sort of gross shit for shock factor used to be extremely popular with edgy bands when he started the band. I don't believe the kitty litter story or the deaf girl sandwich. He's just stuck in the 80's.
Sorry if that's off topic or a bit of a blog, but I've read Lundy Bancroft's "Why does he do that?" recently and watched a lot of videos on narcissistic abuse by Sam Vaknin and these remind me of Manson A LOT. He's clearly a narcissist.
According to Bancroft, it's a misconception that abusers hurt people because they were abused themselves, or because of their addictions and mental illness. They mostly abuse because of entitlement & lack of respect for women. They also know exactly what they're doing and don't lose control completely. If their dad abused their mum, that's a big predictor that they will grow up to be abusive, as well. He's aware of his actions and what they are.
In Manson's bio he wrote about how his dad abused his mum, and he began to abuse her too later on, because he thought she was cheating on his dad.
I think he's also super traumatised from something. Apparently, narcissism is related to PTSD. If the book is true, then he got psychologically abused by his mum and sexually abused by his neighbour. They could be lies, though. Something was definitely super fucked up with his parents. I've never heard a 50 year old man still talking about mum and dad so much. He sounds like he's still trying to impress his dad by being awful to women, too. He's a 51-year-old 13-year-old boy who's addicted to porn and still mad at his mother.
I wish he would just go and get help already, or just fucking die. Living like he is now must be pure agony. I bet he hates looking in the mirror. Just wakes up, looks at himself and starts drinking. Everything he did to himself is a million times worse than what he did to any woman. They're all healthy, they look normal, they can string two sentences together, most of them have relationships with better people now, or at least some real friends. He has none of those things. He has damaged his brain very badly. I honestly feel very bad for him, even though he's a monster. It looks like he just gets dragged around by his entourage like a sack of potatoes, unaware of where he is anymore. Damn. If Manson were a woman, he would be under conservatorship right now. Hollywood is a very scary place.
And his fans and entourage are fucking insane. I can't imagine struggling with mental health and addiction, and everyone tells you you're a very stable genius and hilarious, all the time, over your every fart. And no matter how much you lash out and act out, everyone around you just takes it and never sets a boundary for you, because you're rich and famous, so you can just keep spiralling down and hurting people and yourself. Why are all these teens swarming to fuck this 50 year old man who looks like he's going to die soon? I honestly think if someone posted a picture of his corpse and didn't caption it, these girls would still rave about how hot he is.
If you look at his hashtags and message boards, they're literally swarming with 13-19 year old girls who are extremely attracted to this obese, babbling, insane, fucked up mess, and want to kill all his girlfriends. WHY. JFC, I think his fans are going to kill him before FBI gets his ass. This is honestly so creepy it could be a fucking movie.
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I LOVE YOU ANON YOU ARE THE BEST MARRY ME NOW>>1026487
Is it why he edited his post? Would me keksome.
He got called out by twitter fags… one month ago.
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Can somebody unveil for me the mysterious idea of reposting her old post with 'her love' at 6 am?
The new album is coming in less than a month, anything about it? Nope?
Sorry I want to add more! I wasn’t quite finished.
Basically he’s a bloated penguin that snorts coke all day and drinks Tito‘s vodka around the clock. The only people in his life he associates with are yes-men and fans. He won’t have anyone in his life who will make him question his wrongdoings or else he will fire them or he will cut them out then proceed to badmouth them to everyone. He goes through assistants and girlfriends like he goes through underwear. He doesn’t have stability in his relationships or his personal life. I think his goal honestly is to hurt people so badly that they are traumatized.
Lindsay’s only achievement is scoring a washed up rockstar and doesn’t want his ex and current side chicks to forget. >>1027027>I don't believe the kitty litter story or the deaf girl sandwich.
I generally agree with you but those stories are from other people besides Manson. Chris Vrenna and the deaf woman herself confirmed it in interviews and a venue employee (cap posted in the 3rd thread?) confirmed the kitty litter story.
But I agree Manson usually talks out of his ass in interviews. >>1026972
Agree, I think Manson mostly controls his own social media. He’s thrown shade at Lindsay recently (“The price of darkness” showing his wedding ring, etc) that I doubt Lindsay would post herself. However, I do think Lindsay occasionally takes over or makes him promote her. I mean, she has to buy bots for followers, she would be unknown if not for Manson.
I feel that as a victim
I have the right to remain anonymous. I want nothing to do with his fan base. Looking back at that time in my life it was a very demoralizing experience. Now that I’m older and wiser I’m ashamed. What does calling him out mean exactly? Make a YouTube video? It’s not that easy. I want the truth to come out but I don’t want the attention. Its sad because abusers want you to stay silent. If a victim
stays silent then they are cowards. If we speak out then we are crazy and want attention. There’s no winning.
I’m not scared of him. I am embarrassed that I even associated myself with him. In a perfect world he would get exposed for the vile things he’s done and people would completely forget about him and stop supporting him. He has slept with underage fans. He is a sex addict. He is an alcoholic. He is racist. His entire living room is covered in swastikas, racist memorabilia, and Sharon Tates murder photos. He loves threatening that he knows people in the MS 13 gang and he could have someone killed. It’s unfortunate but if he wasn’t famous these would all be extremely big red flags. I think I allowed it because this is a person who makes his entire career off of shocking people and it’s just a part of his identity. He is truly an evil human being who needs to die honestly. Lindsay is also equally as evil and disgusting. They complement each other very well.>>1027027
I’d talk to you in a discord chat or something tbh
Anyone could claim to be a victim
anonymously, and we’ve had numerous mansonfags come itt and lie about ridiculous things so you wouldn’t be the first. Every single thing you’ve mentioned has been said before—all it would take is some obsessed fan collecting facts from ig, twitter, and various sites to regurgitate into one post. If you aren’t going to share proof then you need to stop making such claims. Also the whole evasive “I won’t talk here but I’ll gladly talk to you on this discord server” steering people away from the board is a deadringer for a catfish wanting to rp their delusions without consequence.
I agree with you. They think too highly of themselves to write that.
It’s totally valid
if someone shares their experience while remaining anonymous. We just need to ask the right questions. Who wants the Dawns and Madelyns sperging out on them? You guys need to turn the paranoia down a notch.
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I didn't know when is the right moment to post that but I feel now will be okay since there is not much new milk, and, in addition to that, LKB has been mentioned again and what I am posting echos her comments in Jessicka's FB group.
There is an article of a respected Russian newspaper, Saint-Petersburg local version, they reported on Manson's performance in the city and the afterparty. There are some juicy moments, I put them in the picture related. They say in the article that Manson harassed every single person in the bar, many people decided to leave bc of him.
If Lindsay collected their emails and cell numbers, it could be part of the grooming process she does for Manson. I wonder if 'I am bisexual' is a coverup. https://spb.mk.ru/articles/2012/06/06/712342-peterburzhtsyi-begali-ot-merilina-mensona.html
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I also found comments of one of the girls from that evening.
She says the article didn't lie much - she believes they exaggerated his behavior (she says he acted normal).
Under another post (3 years later) she says Lindsay does cocaine often. I wonder if they collected her number too.
Can I ask you a few questions?
How did you meet? When did you decide to leave him and what made you leave? Did you know anything about his other girls?
Are his text messages to you similar to the ones posted in first threads?
Did he ever try to make you sign an NDA?
nta was not it in the last or the 4th thread?
her twitter is closed. wanna bring some caps?
The article, translated:
> The musician, artist and former music journalist flew to the Northern Capital on Sunday evening from Moscow to give a concert on May 28 at the Yubileiny. At the airport, numerous fans were waiting for him, who came from different cities to see the idol. Tired of the road, Manson and his friends went to dinner at one of the most expensive restaurants in the city center. Everyone felt unwell because of the change in time zones, so the day before in Moscow they did not even have their traditional rocker parties. Unfortunately or fortunately, but St. Petersburg residents were more fortunate, and the day after the concert, Marilyn Manson rested in the bar until 4 am, inviting about 20 girls there for the company.
> Note that the musician himself was with his common-law wife Lindsay and behaved pretty decently. In general, little is known about the rocker's personal life, but he shared with us his immediate plans.
> "I'm thinking about having a baby, and I want to name him in my honor. We have been together with Lindsay for three years, but we are not yet completely sure that we are ready for the role of parents," Manson admitted.
> Brian himself (Manson's real name) behaved modestly, but greeted everyone present in person, talked a lot and joked. It turns out that Brian is very fond of practical jokes, he has a whole collection of funny collages with friends, as well as indecent photos on his phone.
> Right at the bar, he played his friend and bassist Fred. Manson sat down with one of the girls and persuaded her to tell Fred that she was in a position. This was the beginning of a whole mini-performance, where Manson whispered in her ear what and how to say, and she acted out the situation according to a given scenario. Then Fred said that for Manson it was a common thing and that he still didn’t mock him like that. Already in the middle of the night a razor was brought to Manson for some reason. As it turned out later, he decided to shave off the mustache of one of the guests! Sitting next to the man at the table, Manson took out the machine … The man immediately ran away! But Marilyn did not want to give up and began to ask the girls present at the table if it was possible to shave at least them. The girls, as expected, also refused. By the way, Manson himself had clean-shaven hands – probably shaving for him is a fetish.
> The lifestyle of Marilyn and his common-law wife is pretty crazy. Lindsay does not adhere to traditional sexual orientation, and during the party after the concert, she exchanged e-mail with almost all the fair sex in the bar. And she sat in an embrace with one of the girls, who, however, periodically adhered to her husband. It seems that then the girl proceeded to the spouses' hotel room…
>>1027197>Why would Manson or Lindsay write that about themselves?
I wouldn’t put it past Manson to fake sketch victim
stories so his real victims
are less believable. I mean, if that’s them, they’re already dropping random shit and tiddy pics to derail what’s stopping them.
. Sorry, I don't use discord. What did you want to talk about? What's happening am I in danger lol.
If that's true, I'm sorry you've been put through that. Narcs can be very charming in the beginning, they love bomb you, they make you believe everything they say, and he's a celebrity too. You were not on an even playing field, and probably very young. Don't be ashamed. Good on you on getting out of it.
…do you know what on Earth "baby Manson time" is supposed to include?
I feel kinda bad for Linsday too. She's messed up, but she's just a normal girl and he's powerful, older, and a masterful liar. I'm sure his constant cheating and drug use sent her off the deep end.
In the end what she wants is to be with her partner and not get cheated on and humiliated, that's not that crazy. He's the one who made her crazy. Honestly kind of respect her for getting married after 10 years of being a forever girlfriend. Although a sane woman would drop that shit and get a normal man instead of fighting for a very dubious prise until the end.
I don't think he has actual conscious goals to traumatise people. I think he just can't stop when he gets angry, and doesn't want to control his emotions, or at least how he reacts to them. I don't know him and I've never even seen a live show, but I grew up with a narcissistic, abusive
, cocaine addict dad and I've been involved with different abusers. He feels so familiar.
Cocaine was really the worst possible drug for him. It emphasised and exacerbated every problem he already had x1000 times. Coke makes you self-absorbed and aggressive. Vodka's terrible too.
I get that his handlers are milking him for cash, but at what point does a self-destroying celebrity become a financial burden instead? He's always months late on putting out his records and wasted for every live show, and I'm sure all the lawsuits are not good.
If you listen to him talk it's always "I am what I am, what you gonna do", like he's given up decades ago. Narcissists are actually very unhappy deep down. I'm sure living with all that rage and hurt must be awful. But he's a very big boy and he's responsible for controlling himself. Why would you even step on the same garden rake over and over when all it does is hit you in the balls?
I don't understand how "a normal girl" goes along with sexual assaults and blackmailing stuff. She is as evil as he is. A normal person would never cover up his crimes, I am not even talking about being his accomplice.
Someone dug up her past before MM: stalkers, jealous of her own twin sister, did not want to work and hoped her dad would give her money. Zero career at 25 yo, how? The dirty army article had it she had been a cocaine addict before meeting Manson.
I dislike Manson, he is a monster, Lindsay is his victim
but she was never a good person. She is basically his female version but without any talent or brain. I don't understand how some anons here have sympathy for her. She is a disgusting parody of a human being. She had plenty of opportunities to go away from him as it appears after reading his interviews and first threads, and where is she? What is she doing now? I'll tell you - she's buying cheap bots to calm down her ego.
I didn't mean normal mentally, I meant she's not Hollywood famous.
Obv don't know anything about her before she met Manson. Are there receipts? Zero career at 25 in 2009 after the recession hit is not that weird, but stalkers? Really? What happened?
Do we know for a fact she's an accomplice and not just competing with these girls for attention and enduring abuse herself?
A few years back there was a story about a man who abducted a bunch of people and locked them up in his basement, and in a few weeks they all began to compete for his affection and fighting with each other instead of running away or trying to overpower him. Who knows how much he messed with her. For all we know she got the full baby Manson time kitty litter treatment, went insane and thinks it's no big deal to cope.
If he can completely mess up actual famous stars, a nobody like Lindsay has no chance. Although I agree she is definitely very shady.
Easy: she's as big of a narc as he is but without any accomplishments, skills or redeeming features. Even her "photography" is day 01 shit, without being Mrs. Marilyn Manson she's a Literal Who. Thus, she becomes better than the groupies and can justify anything she's enabling and participating in.
tl,dr: she's trash & knows he's her only shot at ever being anything else
I don't buy the "he does it bc he hates himself & is a tortured soul" spiel, I believe he does it because of a feeling of inferiority. Him and Lindsay are the same, yet he actually had to put in work to become the Manson he was in his prime. He wasn't stupid, and he wasn't always a burnt out hasbeen. Lindsay did nothing with her life but blackmail her way onto a social media pedestal (LBR, she didn't really "win" any prize, she & Syd are in the same boat essentially) and succeeded, at least in her own mind. Perhaps Manson thinks that's somehow clever of her? Narcs love the idea of meeting people "just like them", except usually when they do they can't face the reality of who they are va. who they think they are.
I bet Lindsay feeds into his dark prince fantasy where he's the Manson of days gone by in exchange for her position in his life, along with being complacent with his groupie fetish. Lindsay seems like a beard, but M doesn't give off big gay vibes like some other celebs do so idk, but whatever it is we know it isn't just because he likes having L around.
nta but we know nothing for a fact, even 'Manson is a rapist' is just a claim kek.
anons explored her livejournal in the second or the third thread, you can read them if you want. as far as I remember she had personal stalkers at the time of her livejournal and complained about her sister to her readers. I don't remember anything about dad or money.
and tbh even though I like your posts, they give off a bit of wk vibes, definitely due to the lack of lurking.
I personally do not care why she helped him groom LKB, for example, or why she joined him when he sexually assaulted drunk fan girls. Her motives mean nothing to me, the 'factual' information (if we believe LKB) is that she did participate in criminal activity that he initiated.
I saw that livejournal but couldn't read it. Her writing is just so… boring. I'll take your word for it lol. I used to lurk @marilynmansonnews and binge-read all five threads in 2 days, guess I missed a bunch of details.
I just keep thinking how 20 years+ of drama and sexual assault could have been avoided if that idiot went to therapy before he scrambled his brains. Even better if his dad went first. And now a couple dozen people need therapy because of him, possibly in the hundreds. He's like a black hole. But with the way he talks, sometimes there's this confused little kid underneath, and I can't hate him completely too. That man is fucked. Up. It's just baffling that everyone is OK with working with someone so ill. Britney was a lot more sane and they keep her on a leash now. Fucking sick.
Sure no problem.
We met at one of his shows backstage and everyone was a bit drunk and we started talking. He approached me and told me he wanted to bite me. Looking back on it now it was very predatory. We then talked alone in his dressing room for a while and then he played the show and then we hung out afterwards. We hung out again the following night.
I decided to leave after I noticed the compulsive lying and the deterioration of my mental/physical health. He would talk shit about Lindsay/other women then go back to them and then try to come back to me and then apologize. Lindsay made numerous fake accounts and would message me. She was constantly threatening me and would call him when we would be together saying she was going to come over and kill me. I was drained. One thing I can confirm is that he did fuck with my sleep schedule as well. I watched Evan Rachel Wood’s testimony and that was one of things that I related to. There were several times when I would be asleep and he would come in turn the lights on and throw shit around. It would be early in the morning usually on a bender.
I found out about the other girls through Instagram and because he had a second phone. He would go out and I would be alone and see girls text that phone. I noticed some of the girls he dated would creep on me but never interact with me. We had broken up and the last time he sent me a very long message and it didn’t really sound like him but he apologized for everything that he put me through and I never responded because I was so dissociated from the experience. I really wanted nothing to do with him anymore and should have bailed sooner. Sometimes we stay in situations because we think that’s what we deserve.
Yes the texting style is similar to all of those messages. His texts were always very nonsensical and almost like novels. In the beginning when we first met he would send me a lot of love bombing text messages basically saying we were soulmates, meant to be, etc. He would say that he told his dad about me. I only met his dad twice though. I think that was the way that he sort of drew girls in was by the intense compliments and flattering. I felt almost like I was under a spell and I think the other girls share the same sentiment. I think he’s an expert at making someone feel like they are the only person in the world he has feelings for.
I never signed an NDA. I’m honestly surprised that I didn’t.
Can you say what year you dated him?
Can you post caps of his texts to back up your claims?
Do you know what “baby Manson time” means?
Another supposed ex said he’s bipolar, can you confirm?
I doulbe that>Can you post caps of his texts to back up your claims?
I am not asking for a full conversation but a few messages? Just to compare.
No you are in danger at all! I felt like the way that you explained him was the most levelheaded and accurate I’ve seen on here. It almost sounded like you knew him personally that’s all lol
Yeah I enjoyed the attention from him and felt special. Generally people who are attracted to narcissists have narcissistic parents and both mine are. It’s mostly my dad because he was an addict and very abusive
as well. He was always in and out of my life and one of the reasons why I left home so early. I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that also. I follow a Reddit group called raisedbynarcissists and it’s helped me a lot. He and I had quite an age gap and there was definitely a power-play. Thats a common theme though in a majority of his relationships. I think he chooses women that struggle with mental health problems because when you’re at a low point in life and you don’t have a support system it’s easy to latch on to someone who makes you feel loved. Even though it’s not real.
Yeah lol it’s basically code for role playing. He obviously fetishizes younger women. From my experience it means he is daddy and you are his daughter. Just take a minute or however long you need to process that.
Its hard for me to have sympathy for Lindsay because I understand the fear of leaving a toxic
relationship but there comes a point when it’s doing more damage and you have to decide if it worth it. She has no self respect. I think that she was messed up before she met him and he only exacerbated it. She uses the whole bisexual card to lure other women in and then they both fuck around. I don’t know why this isn’t more widely known. Her entire identity is being his significant other. She doesn’t have a job, she doesn’t have a car, and I wouldnt be surprised if she didn’t even have a credit card. She’s codependent on him and he feeds off of that. He knows that she will never leave and he will be able to do whatever he wants.
Yeah seeing him sober and seeing him coked out was different. He was just very reactive and would get caught up on something and not let it go and then explode. He was very paranoid in general. I remember a specific incident of him breaking some kind of glass object on one of his benders and his assistant told me that I should leave so then I just went home. He literally needs a babysitter. He would apologize often but it was a never ending cycle. He’s entitled and obviously very insecure. I think for me a dealbreaker in any relationship is seeing how the person that you’re with treats other people. I just find it extremely disrespectful and disgusting when someone is screaming at assistants 24/7. He has no humility. He’s a lost cause.
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I explained baby Manson time above lol
He never mentioned bipolar. He just said he was a narcissist.
I don't understand where he takes so much time to fool around that many women. You are like the sixth or the fifth from 2015/16… sorry, I don't mean it to be rude.
What do you think about the blackmail version? We have like 3 people close to him claiming Lindsay blackmails him.
And a follow-up question: ever heard of an attorney/lawyer named Michele aka fearless666? She said she had helped him get rid of the stalkers in 2015/16 approx.
He never mentioned Madelyn. He talked shit about Courtlyn and Lindsay. When I confronted him about other girls he said they were all stalking him.>>1027727
He said that she was jealous of me. He seemed kind of nonchalant about it. He would tell me stories of her coming over unannounced and destroying things. It was a mess. >>1027742
Not underage just young. He’s 24 years older than me.>>1027744
He apparently has all the free time in the world to be sleeping with half of Los Angeles.
Yes she blackmails him. She records their conversations and fights. He also never mentioned that fearless person.
That's now four exes who've said Lindsay blackmails him. Plus his post, "The price of darkness" implying he married Lindsay to keep her quiet. I'm convinced. >>1027872
I don't feel bad for him. He's damaged and damages other people because he refuses to help himself.
I am lost at this point. Everything that comes from his mouth must not be believable but then how do you interpret her mother's tweets about photos and reports?>>1027946
The messages anon showed us are very similar to the messages mansonisabusive posted, the writing style and cringey 'sweet' talk.
Its really weird that someone who comes off so articulate and cultured in interviews about his music writes texts to girls like a cringy 20 year old; I would have expected some kind of convoluted purple prose lolita ripoff at least. He has some weird Dahvie Vanity arrested development shit going on.
Also Im the anon who originally brought the kitty litter girl story up back in the day before he had a thread. I can't provide receipts or anything but it was told to me by a alt photographer who said he was told that by a ex girlfriend of his who was hired as MUA on one of their tours. I remember asking him if he wasn't sure she was making it up for shock value because it sounded so ridiculous; after 3 threads of material being dumped here I no longer doubt it as much tbh.
I also brought the item of his modelmayhem account, I didn't want to mentioned the details of it back then but now I idgaf. The person who told me that one was none other then disgraced soundclout rapidt Hot Sugar, cause apparently they at one point were friends. So ridiculous lmao
Good on you for getting out of this situation and moving on. You're not alone. You got messed with by someone who had decades to get good at messing with people.
I hope you find the kind of love that you deserve. You sound like a smart woman.
Raised by narcissists is a great sub btw. Watch Sam Vaknin on youtube, he has narcissism himself and he's the number one expert on the disorder. It really explains everything.
Narcissism is ridiculously resistant to therapy. They don't bother to control their rage because it gets them what they want, even if they feel like shit after. Even if they go to a psychiatrist, they just learn vocab to become better abusers and have a ready excuse for themselves.
I almost feel like I know him too. He reminds me of my cokehead dad so much that they could be twins. It's why I creep on MM lol. I'm just trying to understand the whole thing. Especially in all the videos where he loses his shit and starts screaming and kicking walls. I legit grew up around almost that exact same guy who even had the same intonation while screaming. The cocaine faces are also familiar. He was photographed a lot with all those grimaces and his fans think he's pulling faces to be funny. Yeah no, that's coke. Sober Manson is probably 99% nicer than cocaine Manson, it makes people so fucking mean.
That getting obsessed over one slight and working himself up until he explodes! And then they just fume and don't calm down for hours and even days, and keep bringing it up over and over! It's typical.
I've seen videos where at one of Manson's shows the snow machine wasn't working or something like that, and he just exploded and ran down the corridor kicking walls, working himself up into a bigger fit with every step. Can't imagine working with that guy. You'd have to wear a helmet and a padded vest.
WHY do people keep working with him? I get back in the 90's when he was a genius, but now when he's washed up? All it takes is for people to refuse a sloshed man to get interviewed. Refuse to work for a screaming psycho, just fucking stand up and walk out and stop enabling that. Put your safety and dignity before money. If people didn't let him get away with it every time, he'd stop.
I'm torn between disgust and pity. He pees on people because he's sad. That's a bullshit excuse. Boo hoo all these young women pay me money so that I can be a celebrity, and they think I'm attractive, well Imma go pee on them, that will show them! WTF.
There's just so much that went wrong. Veteran dad with PTSD who used to beat his mum, mum making him pretend to be sick, and to get plastic surgery on his ears, getting molested, getting abused at school. Feeling humiliated and weak, building this fantasy of becoming a celebrity to get some dignity back. The band was small and clearly funded by mum and dad for almost a decade, that must have stung his dignity too.
And then he grows up into this twat, and his fantasy comes true, so he acts nasty to girls for male approval, and starts using more and more drugs, but he still doesn't feel good in his own skin. In all his interviews he talks about how he's scared of parties, doesn't know if he's having fun or not, but he keeps going and getting more and more high. Am I cool yet? Do I belong in Hollywood?
And then all the backlash, and people blame him for Columbine and it probably creates this grandiose feeling of the entire world being against him and really being special. And it was unfair, and it was horrible, and he probably has PTSD from all the murder attempts and death threats.
And then groupies aren't enough, and normal women are too stable, and it's suffocating to be in something stable when you're fucked up, so he starts abusing women to get very strong emotional reactions out of them, to feel something. Keeps seeking out dramatic high school true love. Women who claim they would die for him. Evan Rachel Wood.
And eventually the drug use catches up to him. Years of enabling his own rages catch up to him. Abusive
relationships with suicidal girls catch up to him. People inevitably learn who he really is and LEAVE, and a brilliant hurt little boy turns into a disgusting bloated mess who still clings to his glory days and doesn't realise that it's over.
Even Rob Zombie left him. He collected all of MM band members and picked up Manson out of pity, but he was so consistently fucked up that Rob Zombie dropped him. He keeps sucking up to whoever would have him, rappers, Taylor Swift, anyone who would make him feel famous again. But once the initial charms wears off, people notice how off he sounds when he talks, and eventually they start treating him like a child. Even interviewers. All the fake wows, look what Brian made, look how shocking, how funny, how deep. You look good. You are sexy. Nobody can see your 5 chins. Even his body language is confused and childish.
But he's surrounded by so many fans and yes men that he never has to face reality, and that means that he loses any chance of things ever getting better. And now we all get to see a 50 year old little boy crawling on all fours crying about how nobody loves him, while he keeps smashing more and more cluster b personality disorder girls and ruining their lives.
He's the one who kicked the band and kept all the money, he's the one who got rid of the girlfriend who supported his rise to fame the second he got famous, he's the one who alienated his friends, he's the one who never took 10 seconds for some quiet introspection. Every person who made him famous he treated like shit. He made his own bed. And he's unhappy. Maybe that's good.
>>1027994>The band was small and clearly funded by mum and dad for almost a decade, that must have stung his dignity too.
You are clearly not familiar with the band history.
And please no more armchair psychology. We all here give him diagnoses from time to time, but you are being persistent.
I can understand why they’d want to remain anonymous, would you want batshit Manson fans after you? Of course it’s best to be skeptical but just outright dismissing it as fake doesn’t mean you’re right.>>1028035
Wtf, get help. >>1028094
Who knows what he does in private but I doubt he’d get away with human trafficking for long. None of his exes mentioned that.
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I know Dawn's lost her credibility, and most of her claims are based on conspiracies, but it really doesn't seem that far out there for him to be into kids. It's obvious that he romanticizes unhealthy relationships – “Humbert Humbert.”
the biggest reach itt so far lmao
isn't it about his new single?
He’s probably loving this. Imagine going from being this incredibly famous shock rocker who disrupted the cultural status quo, to being a bloated irrelevant hack whose name doesn’t come up unless it’s to discuss whether or not you raped Evan Rachel Wood.
Everyone’s really over-complicating this. He’s not a sex trafficking child pornographer or whatever the fuck. He’s an old narcissist who uses women to play out all the shit he needs to be in therapy for. I’m sure he’s abusive
and simultaneously thinks he’s some gift to women. And until someone actually names him as a rapist he’ll just languish in semi-irrelevance, except for the times he pops up at astroworld so everyone can point and laugh like he’s a court jester.
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Oh no girl what’d she do now
I think it's about time we stop discussing her bullshit here. She's just like Dawn.
Actually worse than Dawn cause she's not only delusional and insane but also a racist cunt. And she used to put other women down for their appearance and having work done when she literally lies about all the work she's had, lol. Big yikes.
She's craving attention again and probably loves whenever someone mentions her here.
What else could Lindsay do? She already asked a fan account to post about her, and Madelyn went private. It's pathetic that she's so consumed with social media that she has nothing better to do than talk to 15 year old girls all day. I don't know why she'd make such a big deal out of Madelyn's bullshit when there are dozens of other crazy fangirls out there literally plotting her death, unless she really did have a fling with him.
Either way, she's irrelevant to the thread.
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reposted in his story like 9 times. idk how much attention he thinks she's actually worth.
Working 3 jobs to make ends meet
while living in NY…the struggle was real.
She also said she took a 3 year break from social media.
Only to return to disabled comments and bot followers. Threads are full of her old posts so it's a good thing she doesn't write much.
Anyway, they are still trying to get her a career.
That fucking c*
is talking about people lying when she lies about having fake accounts and that she herself doesn’t go around harassing people? FUCK YOU. You stupid pathetic fucking BITCH, Un-fucking-real.(Dawn)
So they deleted her interview for nastynostalgia to have this one instead?
They added the "three jobs" detail like she didn't say completely the opposite in her early interviews. Lame.
Btw>life-partner Marilyn Manson (for whom she shot the Born Villain album cover, and various fashion, stage backdrops, merchandise, and intimate photos).
First of all, kudos to them for giving info how she started her career right at the beginning of the text.
Second question: why don't they write "husband"? Wtf?
Proof or go away.
Even random walk-in anon managed to post their messages from MM. Your Madelyn is vapid.
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Here’s your proof. >>1029001
I have nothing to do with Madelyn. And yeah, she is vapid. Since he was sharing my messages, I’ll return the favor.
He sent this telling me about her. It’s a long message that why it’s cropped. So believe or don’t believe me, I just don’t give a shit anymore. But I don’t fucking lie.
I’m fucking OUT now that I realize who is actually in these threads with all their bullshit. Just remember people it’s Manson or Lindsay when you see shit like that being dropped. Don’t FEED into it. That one anon was a fake pretending to be his ex. They literally outed themselves about how they make hate accounts and talk negatively about themselves and all the other shit they do.These people are truly fucking sick.(Dawn)
I posted the interview and I'm definitely not Lindsay. I also posted link from nostalgia and would post other interviews if I find them because it's entertaining to read about her so called career.
I'm not a native speaker as you can tell from the way I write so I'm not her.
no 'sugar butt', no 'baby manson time' no cringey love talk, no dumb emojies, coherent writing.
not manson confirmed.
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Why would he put any of their names? It’s kind of unnecessary when I would know exactly who he’s talking about. And she really is living across the country.
It’s cropped because it isn’t related or has nothing to do with the topic, and like I said it’s a really long message so it doesn’t crop all at once. Here is the date and time to that text.(replying to yourself constantly)
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I guess if he gave her a new chin it’s only right she give him one too
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No that part he’s talking about Lindsay. Explains why that stupid Madelyn goes around calling everyone witches, because that’s what he calls them. I didn’t buy anything he said. I was rolling my eyes the whole time. >>1029141
How can that be fake? It’s from August 3. Yeah concocted a text from almost 3 weeks ago.(go away Dawn)
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Why did he delete it?
It's not like I am defending 'Madelyn' but how do you know it's Madelyn and not Dawn?>>1029144
The pic is scary.
His label hinted at a new single coming before the album release. I am looking forward to the lyrics.
I haven’t talked to him. That was out of the blue. I replied because after everything I was curious what he had to say and why he would falsely accuse me of total bullshit. In one way or another I still have to deal with him.
But I knew after the second text though he was lying and his words were empty. Then I saw he was sharing my messages.
He made false allegations on me because he was trying to lie and put up a front to these bitches.(Dawn)
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I'm, like, actually curious how many women he's picked up and had sex with before. Why do ppl wanna have sex with him? Is there just a certain appeal to a washed-up junkie that I'm not seeing??
He looks weird in this and i cant pinpoint why.
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From the same thread.
Honestly, I'm still kind of on the fence about the whole situation between Jessicka and Twiggy. I'm not victim
blaming or down-playing what he did, but she literally tries to cancel anyone that she has a problem with. Before Manson fired him, she Tweeted about him being fatphobic and dating underage girls, then deleted it after Twiggy was gone, like it didn't matter that he was a piece of shit anymore because he did what she wanted. It just seems really sketchy to me.
My take on Jessicka is I mostly agree with what she wrote, that Manson is racist, had underage girlfriends, etc but her behavior was/is definitely weird.
I shared the screens because people claimed they hooked up with Twiggy and Manson while underage.
Seems a bit similar to those leaked messages with Gabriella. But still, stop trying to push the narrative that he's a pedophile, Dawn. There's no other "proof" that he's fucked any teenagers younger than 15-16. It might be morally and legally wrong, but that doesn't qualify him as being a pedophile.
And why do you mark out the names? You said the accounts were deleted, and it'd be impossible to find the exact one you're posting about, anyway.
Look everyone this anon is trying to justify it and thinks it makes a difference by using a different word.
No the majority of society would see him being a pedophile. Again, a 15-16 is a CHILD.
pedophilia is defined as being sexually attracted to someone 13 or younger, not 15-16. i'm not saying it's okay that he fucked those girls, but it's not pedophilia. and "manson" >>1030436
said, "a pubescent teen." those are 10-14, so idk why we were even discussing the other.
Like that anon said, that is just semantics. And that’s NOT how most of society sees it. They are still children.
He is a man that is in his fucking fifties. Quit trying to normalize something so sick.
>but it's part of the rock culture which will hopefully change.
That is some sorry excuse, because no it’s NOT. That’s pedo culture. When I was a minor and would go after guys in rock bands, they would want nothing to do with me because I was still a child. But when I was a kid I didn’t know any better.
> Many "kids" start their "adult" life at 16 y.o., sometime even earlier
So. That doesn’t mean they’re an “adult”.
>For me 17-18 yo having a one night stand with her idol is borderline okay
Yea, it’s only okay if you’re around that age range.(Dawn)
True, but considering that 12 year olds look like 20 year olds these days it's wrong to call someone a pedo for being attracted to them cause it's literally impossible to tell how old they really are.
Pedos are attracted to actual kids or childlike features. And like I said, most 12 year olds look way older nowadays, so they wouldn't even be interesting to real pedos anymore.
And as far as I know Manson never fucked girls under 17/18. Is he a scumbag? Yep. Pedo? No.
12 yr olds don’t look like 20 yr olds , if Manson is attracted to a child he is a pedo. Stop victim
I’m not lying. You only wish I was.
>Pedos are attracted to actual kids or childlike features. And like I said, most 12 year olds look way older nowadays, so they wouldn't even be interesting to real pedos anymore.
There are no 12 year olds that look like 20 year olds. Also, not knowing a person’s age is no excuse.
The screenshots I have on my computer that the cops have, you can clearly tell these are 11-12 year old children.
>And as far as I know Manson never fucked girls under 17/18. Is he a scumbag? Yep. Pedo? No.
That’s maybe your take on it, but most people would consider it one. And it’s totally sick. I don’t look at a 17-18 year old and think they look like an adult. They look like a child still.
And under 18 would be considered child pornography.(Dawn)
11-12 year olds don’t have boobs or hips. He called some 11 or 12 year old “hot”. I wanted to vomit.
Now it all adds up when he made that comment saying there should be a dating app for “sexy” kids.(Dawn)
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this is no coincidence this just popped up. How gross!(Dawn)
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Yeah but probably won’t be helpful on here because I have to black out their identities for privacy reasons.(Dawn)
It's photoshoped, he's with Dita in original pic.
PLEASE, FARMHAND, ban Dawn for good.
No one was disgusted because it was a joke. His thing is unintelligent word play that he seems to think is clever. But this pedo shit is such a reach, stick to the known abusive
behavior because that’s what we’re discussing.
That video was posted in the last thread. There was, like, one comment out of all of them calling him that. Everyone knows that he only says shit like that to be shocking. No one else tries to start that rumor except for you.
And this picture >>1030906
is ridiculous. What mother would let their daughter dress like that – much let her post it on Facebook? "Your too hot," literally sounds like it was written by some illiterate incel. If his account was deleted, there was no point in marking over the name, unless you care about his privacy. My guess is that you were in a chat-group(?) with some shitty people and decided to try and pass it off as being Manson, for whatever reason. That's if the messages aren't fake. But I doubt you have the time to learn how to photoshop anything other than your IG selfies when you're so busy putting your court case together, kek.
Start posting actual proof that he's a pedophile or shut the fuck up about it.
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If you say that we're ill
Just give us your pill“
“We are sick, fucked up and complicated
We are chaos, we can't be cured”
Looks like I found where he got his lyrics from. Interestingly, on a post about pedophila.(Dawn)
I’m not contradicting anything -
that’s me and someone else that posted those comments. Where do you get there’s only one word? I’m saying this is where he got the concept from. >>1030925
I KNOW 100000000% because he met one of the girls from that account which I posted about awhile back on the Danger account. I bet he didn’t pan on me seeing that either. >>1030993
Photoshop? I did not photoshop that picture. How can anyone tell if that’s photoshop? That looks real. I don’t know how to photoshop
pictures. I don’t even have a computer.(Dawn)
Oh, and there were a lot of comments on that video of people being disgusted. They cleaned it up from when I saw it 2 years ago.>>1031295
Well I have an above average IQ. So quite far from retarded. Can’t say the same about Manson though.(Dawn)
When did you post about him meeting up with an underage girl? Your post count hasn't changed since you went private, and there was nothing about that on your account before, at least not that I saw.
You don't need a computer to use Photoshop. I do it using my phone all the time. The photo you used as a profile picture on your account showed Manson Photoshopped into a clown, so you at least have basic knowledge of how to do it. And the photo you posted of your "search warrant" had a Lenovo laptop and Dell computer written on it, anyway: >>1015029
With your above average IQ and all, you really should be better at keeping your lies straight. Even Manson's probably smarter than you are.
Ew that’s disgusting. More like it makes me throw up. >>1031499
I didn’t say that specific girl that he “met” was underage. That I don’t know. But what I do know is he made sexual comments to ones that definitely were. And who knows if he met them too.
I posted about him meeting her months ago and that post got deleted because it was probably him that reported it.(Dawn)
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This is when I first called the sicko out. And then interestingly almost 5-6 months after that… that’s when Jessicka was exposing him and calling him a pedo.(Dawn)
Meanwhile lyrics of the new album have been put online.
Uninteresting, not witty or smart, too many repetitions and unintended quotes from his past records. Each song reads like a psychopath's cry.Victim
shaming and victim
blaming included. You can enjoy at https://genius.com/albums/Marilyn-manson/We-are-chaos
Yes, it sounds like he’s mocking his victims
and his lyrics come across as narcissistic.
Does anyone else think this will probably be his last album? IDK why but I get the sense he’s winding down, wanting to retire. I’m sure he’ll tour to support this album but I can see him moving away from music after this to bit acting parts and such.
I’d be shocked if Lindsay wasn’t under a NDA, I doubt she could drop a bomb even if she wanted to. >>1032658>>1032668
It’s all speculation, of course, but the dude is a sex addict and implied several times in interviews that he doesn’t like condoms. Clare Burley said he didn’t use condoms with her. It wouldn’t be far fetched if he actually has HIV.
There’s a lot of hate and anger being thrown at someone . And a lot about death. There’s only a couple songs I thought the lyrics were intelligent , but for the most part, I agree w/ the other anons, that it doesn’t seem like he put much effort in.
What the fuck does “apples are always something to fear” suppose to mean? Why is he talking about fruit in his lyrics? What is so fearful about apples? Lmao
It seems like most of his modern stuff was just written to send messages to ppl he knows>>1032677
Wouldn't it have ran out by now though? Why would he stay with her if she couldn't say anything about what he did anyway?
If he had an HIV, I doubt so many people would be sleeping with him and none of his exes, recent or otherwise, have mentioned anything about it. He deserves it though lol
Two words… Charlie Sheen
It took a long time for him to come out with it
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Internet girlfriend. She doesn't even know Lindsay personally lmao
I think they are trying to stay on good terms with all his exes in case he'll need their support. Just like with Rose, I don't think they are genuinely interested in friendship with her.
As for Lindsay, I doubt there's one more woman in the world with this little self-respect.
Well, in JD's case people cared what his exes had to say. However I do believe Manson and Lindsay might want to be friendly with his ex girls lest
these girls say something negative.
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i have no idea id this is true or not, but I've been hearing that MM supposedly had/is having an affair with Poppy? I can kinda see that, considering she's 25, looks younger than that and is probably anorexic, but there's no proof behind it. I just want to know if anyone here knows if this is bullshit or not. If it is true I feel so bad for Ghostemane.
Poppy is sick and abusive
, she also used to have a thread of her own, but I wouldn't be surprised if they had a thing.
They were working on a project together a while ago that they never released. She seems like his type. Anon, >>1034882
, what did she do?
Why would he lie to Michelle about raping Evan? I thought she already knew about everything he'd done. I never saw anything public about him and Mickey Rourke, either. I'm curious about why he started speaking to Michelle to begin with. Wasn't it posted somewhere in one of the other threads that she was a groupie or something?
I’m not disputing that but I recall it was vague? The date of his text matched the Italian show. I wish I could find the cap again. >>1034925
I believe they met backstage and she claims they were just friends. Manson did tag her in his post so he definitely knows her.
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Lindsay nowadays likes Coco even though she used to refer to her "caca shitnel".
I can imagine she didn't know Coco was another friend of Manson/Yoshiki that spams their IG. You can't be seen being catty to your sugar husband's friends' groupies, Lindsay. It's a bad look for golddiggers.
M's probably asking Yoshiki to throw her a social media bone since nobody gives a wet shit about another toxic
dependapotomous. I'm very curious how he fits into Manson's life considering he usually ends up in pics with Manson's circle, including Poppy.
That's not spilling milk, anon, that's sageless drama baiting. Deets or die.
Although I wouldn't doubt Yoshiki is a pump-n-dumper, I doubt if they did have a fling that it was very good based on how hard she crawls into his IG comments & how hard he ignores her. Who even is Teale Coco? One of those IG altwear brand "founders"? >>1035217
Gotta love how every talentless nobody (Lindsay) and washed up creative type (Manson, Yoshiki, dozens of others) always ends up doing photography. It's so… cheap and lazy. A special needs kid could take a community college class and become a half decent photographer, there's not much actual skill incolved these days now that the cameras and editing apps do most of the work themselves.
Lindsay is so obvious.
After countless drama with his side chicks she went MIA for years. Returns and buys bots, lies for Manson and kisses everyone’s ass, drops several marriage hints, and now wants to play Hollywood housewife pushing her own line of perfume.
She wants fame and money and he needs a cover.
Maybe Teale is cozying up to Lindsay for the sake of trying to get to Yoshiki? He knows goddamn everybody despite how little he actually does
Imo, the only reason I can see Manson hiding bisexuality is because he markets himself as a goth heartthrob (elderly and obese but sadly still) and that might turn some people off. Maybe he wants to keep it private for personal reasons, idk.
I would think we’d hear about more men if it were true though.
Yoshiki's "Russian SB" is a total mystery. Aside from the tweets he posted years and years ago when he first got with her and was being super obvious about it, she hasn't been seen, mentioned or anything else yet any time Yoshiki comes up in a thread, someone mentions her. It just seems weird considering how little
info there is about her compared to all his past exes. It's almost like someone wants to create false intrigue around her in the hopes that anons will dig up info on her, but that's stupid because Yoshiki's batshit obsessed Chinese fans already doxxed her on a forum years ago & she deleted her IG and twitter, that's when Yoshiki started the "Xx" thing as a kind of signal. If he's had her for almost 10 years and he's still hiding her/not married or at least engaged, I doubt he'll make her public and she's probably just around as long as she sticks around, until he's relevant and working enough to replace her with some younger alt influencer.
Having attraction to another man doesn't make someone day.
Someone can be physically attracted but not mentally attracted to the same gender
Someone can be attracted to physical characteristics like body parts (penis…etc.) and still consider themselves straight.
Men aren't the only people with penises. He seems like the type that would like mental and external appearance female but have Male body parts
Found the Jrock thread in /m/:>>>/m/14863
Go there to discuss Yoshiki/Teale Coco & their matching necklaces, not here.
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New interview is a drop of milk.
Guess who's friends with Twiggy aka Jessicka Addams' rapist again?
Someone is gonna get butthurt in 1… 2…
>>1035731>having attraction to another man doesn't make someone gay
Literal definition of gay. Whether it's romantic or sexual attraction, same-sex attraction is gay. Physical or romantic opposite sex attraction is straight.
Driveby comment, may be missing context.
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Since there hasn't been any new milk for a bit, I looked through Lindsay's livejournal (@xneverenoughx) that hasn't been updated since 2003. Nothing really interesting, just more of her ramblings, bad hygiene, and contradictions. Apparently, she used to travel and might've been married to someone else before she met Manson. Seems like she might've been anorexic at one point. Her relationship with her mother was shitty until she started getting money from him. That's probably the only reason Hope's nice to her now. It almost makes me feel bad for her, even though she's a bitch. And there were some mentions of someone named "Marilyn," so maybe she had something going on with him before it was public.
Her life didn't seem perfect before she met him, but it was so much better than what she has now – sitting in a hotel room, waiting for her husband while he's busy with some groupie, all the negativity she got (and probably still gets privately). I have such a hard time believing all his fans hated her for, like, 5 years straight for the sole reason that she was dating him, and now everyone loves her and thinks she's so beautiful. She seemed way more interesting before she went long-term with him. It's like he sucked the life out of her.
It's obviously about Marilyn Monroe.
If I kept asking my parents to give me money instead of getting a job, I wouldn't have good relationship with my mom too.
If she was married before then she's even more pathetic. At first it was her parents who paid for her, then it was her sister. I think at some point the latter could try to stop funding her grown ass sister, so what could Lindsay do? Given she's lazy and talentless? She could try to stick to a man who'd pay for her, marriage could be the only way to 'financial freedom' for her.
If you did read her livejournal, idk how you find her more interesting before Manson. She's always been vapid.
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From MIB, Traci Lords dated Manson in the 90’s.
I'm curious why he never abused some of the women he went out with. Dita and Rose were spared for obvious reasons, but I don't understand why he never abused women like Traci Lords or any of his girlfriends before he was famous. No one would've payed much attention to their stories because they would've been a low-profile, especially if they went to the police after the statue of limitations on their case ran out. Evan had her own career, and I can still remember how public their relationship was. If anything, Rose would've been one of the easiest victims
because she'd already been through that before. But she's never said anything negative about him or their time together, so I don't really believe he ever hurt her. It puts me on the fence about Evan's case too because she's always said good things about him. I don't think he really started abusing women heavily before the whole affair scandal. Dita was the one that tipped him over the edge.
If you haven’t already, read the threads from the beginning. Several women have accused him of abuse.
Dita has implied in interviews that Manson was erratic and violent in their marriage.
I agree she was his tipping point.
Rose isn’t exactly a reliable source: >>1026059
I didn't say that he wasn't abusive
. I just thinks Evan's case is a bit strange because she's always said positive things about him and still does. I think Rose is mostly credible, but only when she speaks about her own case. She wants justice for herself and no one else. If he had abused her, she probably would've named him along with Weinstein. If what she said is true about her rejecting "hush-money" from him, I don't know why she'd accept it from Manson. Pathetic that she still quotes him on her Twitter. It just seems like she just wants to hang onto the coattails of their relationship forever.
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Twitter is getting more interesting.
The best mom award goes to Hope Harvey, the best sister award goes to Ashley Usich-Iha, the best dad award goes to James Usich.
I don't understand, it's not like her family is poor, why did they dump her like that? She might have been not the brightest kid, lazy, okay, whatever, but she's their family. The fuck is wrong with them?
I checked Instagram of that guy, he's followed by sgab71. He doesn't lie.
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If there's more, I will bring more.
Why was not he put under an NDA?
There should be some alternative logic explaining their relationships.
In 2014 Manson was seeing Courtlyn, Courtlyn claimed Lindsay threatened to sue her and Manson. Manson took Lindsay to red carpet and didn't hide her at all around the time (exactly 2014-2015). If Lindsay did threaten to take some legal action against Manson then it has some sense: she threatened him => he left Courtlyn => he granted Lindsay with more publicity and acknowledged her as his gf (he used to follow her, give her likes and post photos by her). If I am not mistaken that's exactly the time when a lot of stories about Lindsay's aggressive behavior towards female fans came to surface. Apparently she gained more control over her position at the time. Manson dumped her at the beginning of 2015, toured without her for 2-3 months but brought her with him to Europe, since that moment she was always behind the curtains, he didn't show her off. That's when Manson would belittle her and humiliate her according to that guy but he says it was that way in 2014 too. What the hell at this point?
Why Lindsay was "powerful" enough to come back as his gf in 2014, made it to red carpet but took all that humiliation according to that guy? The only option how she could sue Manson would be using her father's resources. It seems her family wanted to give her back to Manson and stop caring about her ever since? What's wrong with them? What's wrong with Lindsay they don't want her that bad? What happened in 2015 (and continued in 2016) that Manson gave zero fucks about her threats? He had massive fuckfest with loads of groupies in 2015-2016, he also basically "embarrassed her to the world" just like that guy says in 2016 (or 2015) when he publicly insulted her and uploaded that video to her Instagram account.
Is she back now just because her parents dumped her one more time and they have enough blackmail material on him?
I do not question that they blackmail him as too many different people close to him confirmed it but I don't understand these fluctuations in their relationships.
Any ideas what the hell?
and this, kids, what happens to you when you don't get any education and do not even try to have a career, you become dependent on your family and then whoever your family dump you onto.
could be, then there is less sense to everything. >>1037912>He appeared with Lindsay at events already in 2013
even earlier, in 2011 or 2012, but he didn't take her to official events before 2014, didn't try to present her to the press. idk how to explain that in 2014 she was kinda officially the main chic. that was the impression. he talked about her in interviews, regularly posted pics by her, etc.
>>1037920>Why less sense?
because he did give her more acknowledgement in 2014 compared to 2014-
I don't understand that change of attitude, especially when it's known how brutally he dropped her in 2015.
according to her brother stories and what anons found he promised he would marry her in 2014. but she claimed she was his bride in 2012 already. these ups and downs should have a reason, idk.
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Does anyone know anything further about Rudy Coby?
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Apparently, they didn't stop being friends until at least 2012-2013. I don't know what could've caused it, though. Did Coby ever post about Manson's abuse?
Apparently he liked Evan’s posts about her abuse and the Phoenix Act. I didn’t see it myself but I remember fans talking about it at the time.
I don’t know they’re not friends anymore or why Manson allegedly talked shit about him in his book but that seems to be a pattern for Manson.
just checked, he started posting more of ERW starting with 2016. A lot more. I think he took her side.
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Cap from second thread. Manson saying he gave Hope Harvey money and threatening to cut her off.
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Rudy Coby recently retweeted Evan’s testimony. He was around when Evan and Manson dated.
That man's tweets were reposted, I don't think it's because of lolcow.
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Lol he was creeping on the person who made a video with Evan's testimony viral.
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decided to read his recent interview
does anybody believe it is not Lindsay who cleans after the cats and takes care of them in general?https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/09/marilyn-manson-we-are-chaos-interview-2020/
Did you notice she has 332k followers on IG? I literally couldn't find real ones doing random check…bot after bot after bot. She also follows over a thousand people now, still liking every single picture of MM over and over again. It's like she doesn't do anything besides IG.
What an exciting life. I also wonder how the sale of prints is going?
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Yeah, I don’t think anyone believes she’s getting average 2k followers a day. She had a steady 35k for months before the bots took over. >>1037882
“He would remind her she’d be homeless without him and make fun of her learning disabled family member.” What a fucking asshole.
It’s quite possible after years of his abuse Lindsay is brainwashed and thinks she can’t do better. But at some point she has to take responsibility for herself and seek help. >>1038326
There’s also been recent media coverage on his abuse, lots of talk about it on Reddit. https://medium.com/@esmebiancoofficial/read-esme-biancos-grueling-unedited-testimony-as-a-domestic-violence-survivor-in-support-of-the-427e45081fe9https://www.thethings.com/people-are-boycotting-marilyn-mansons-music-due-to-sexual-assault-allegations/
I doubt Lindsay will do anything. The best she could do is to drop a pic of her boobs for anons. My bet she thinks she's better than ERW so she'll never do what ERW has done.
Esmé's testimony sheds some light on M+L life together:>Frequently I was sent away, expected to stay gone all night with nowhere else to go, while he carried out his numerous affairs. If he didn’t want the bother of asking me to leave, I would be locked in the bedroom.
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Agree, she even thought so too.
Anything new in the video?
I have watched a bit, it seems lolcow and mansonisabusive are her main sources. I am not blaming, I am glad people use the threads to learn more but I don't want to waste my time.
This was new: https://youtu.be/YvKMS9oFHFk
Someone on Taylor's production team
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I haven’t seen these before.. so far most people have said dita wasn’t abused.
These interviews say otherwise.
It’s been said she left on Christmas Eve because she caught him with ERW.
nothing new, don't waste your time. everything she says and finds was brought here and discussed. >>1039135
there was several posts in the 3d thread about Dita debunking >she left on Christmas Eve because she caught him with ERW.
and it was repeatedly posted by mansonisabusive, you may want to follow them.
As someone who follows this thread this video was REALLY vague. She did not even brush up on HALF of the information she couldve. I wonder if that Jordyn chick talked? Because I find it strange that out of all the connections on that abuse page she chose ONE chick.
I think she was being too generous with the "girlfriend" thing. It sounds like groupie stories. The only one he's called girlfriend was Lindsay. The photo of Lindsay with the black eye explained she did it with a seatbelt on an airplane. I think its a reach to claim she's locked up somewhere, she's always posting photos outside or photos of her cats. Unless he has the girl locked up with 7 different cats as her only companions I don't buy it
Plus, she posts about friends. Is she doing these interviews by carrier pigeon?
>>1039664>I think she was being too generous with the "girlfriend" thing. It sounds like groupie stories.
Does it matter if he abused girlfriends or groupies? Neither deserve it.
>I think its a reach to claim she's locked up somewhere
I don’t believe Ellie Jayden claimed Lindsay is locked up? Manson’s ex girlfriends said they were locked in a “bad girl room” that Manson admitted to in interviews. >>1039666>Evan's a bitch I would hit her too tbh.
Seek help for your anger issues.
I don't think they said that Lindsay was "locked up," but they did show a few photos of her with bruises/scars/cuts, besides the one with the black eye that she'd posted herself. To be honest, I still don't get who's abusive
in their relationship. Like, she blackmails him to marry her, but he beats the shit out of her, so…
Is he wants her around, what about all of those times they broke up and then got back together? Obviously, at some point, he wanted her gone. It really doesn't seem like he cares about her. It's been psychologically proven that narcissists can't fall in love, especially when they don't take their medicine and go to therapy. They fall in love with the idea of someone, and then drop them once they find out that they're mirrors of themselves. She's nothing more than an enabler to him because she's the only one that's been willing to put up with his shit for that long. He doesn't even acknowledge her as anything other than his, “life partner,” in interviews. I know a lot of farmers feel sorry for her because he supposedly abuses her, but she victimizes herself. She had a chance to leave. Instead, she decided to harass his side-chicks and threaten to kill herself to make him stay. It's ridiculous that she's so desperate that she'd con an abusive junkie into marrying her just so she'd have a reliable source of income and a verified IG account. Maybe she's got Stockholm Syndrome. It doesn't sound that far-fetched. Evan had it, too.
>>1012472>>1040131>The blackmail shit is bullshit too.
Lol, anon. We have screenscaps of her mother talking about photos and reports, we have his texts to fearless about money train for her mom.
Manson doesn't love her, he loves to abuse her and he pays her for that. It's only imo.
And she does not love him after all these years, she wants money and a seemingly stable life. I don't believe she has nowhere to go. Sad but true. Again it's only imo.
3+ months ago Lindsay was talking to a fan account (no surprise here), anon talked to the latter and posted dms here>>984478
Pay attention it's her parents that wanted M to marry L. And L is 35 yo. Do the math.
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nta and didn't actually want to get into your discussion but you need to learn how to sage.>in an interview once that they had a “Dali/Gala” relationship
could you drop a link? Because he barely talks about her in his interviews. Until a few day ago btw. It was her who compared them to Dali/Gala in comments section to his post.
Did you guys ever think her parents just don't want to support their 30+ y.o. daughter and just gave her to manson and couldn't care less?
rumors about Lindsay being abusive
had been out there long before he met Madelyn, and I read them in languages Madelyn cannot speak.
They both are POS and abusive
, they are a perfect couple like anons said. The difference is that Manson has a longer list of victims
than Lindsay has. And let's face it, Manson has always been smarter than Lindsay. However, idk why you think he is powerful when he is completely irrelevant. He is powerful only in his head, which should have been exposed to psychiatrist long ago.
Dear mods I am very sorry I am going to samefag for a few posts, I want to bring caps and a video.
I promised I would post about his website getting hacked long ago. Thank you, anon, for reminding me, I can't find your post now but I hope you'll notice this post.
If you speak Russian you can visit https://vk.com/mmseal?w=wall-42088363_5779
you can tell it wasn't a joke they posted. It was in 2013.
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Manson gave a new interview to Apple Music. It's surprising he was sober, he has put so much weight though…
The interview is long, the biggest piece of it is on youtube. I watched a little bit. He tries to sound relatable via talking about losing his parent and his pain, I almost felt sorry for him but c'mon, your mom died long ago, you dad died a few years ago and you already dedicated HUD to him, he also says he's proud of the man his father taught him to grow up into (pardon my english). That's controversial right?
I think he is not living right now, more like he's dwelling too much on his past but, like I said, I am really surprised he sounds sober.
Like I said above he actually talked about Lindsay, without mentioning her name lol. AND it seems they are not married yet(?)
The piece about Lindsay https://vk.com/mansonsource?w=wall-237426_1565326
Transcription by my non-native ear.
Interviewer: What about your heart? You trust that? I mean .. you've tried marriage before you are .. now what I can see from the timeline (my ass? Manson gave him a timeline of his abuse history with Lindsay?)
in a relatively (lol, the interviewer hasn't seen Lindsay's insta? She posted they are with Manson since 2009? She is his
long-term relationship . and.. you know Manson is pointing at his ring, see pic related
yeah .. and you've spoken of her really funly and she's also in arts (lol what? in arts? lmao)
as well, so you have that in common, so how does that play(?) into your artist(ic?) spirit? does it inspire you? because I know you like the idea of that, right? (the idea of what? I don't understand the interviewer)
Manson: I like the idea of romance. But not romance in the traditional way, like flower and going to a dinner.. and you know like the bachelor bullshit like that. I idealize the concept of romance in Shakespearean way like…What I took from that was to try to have romance prevail over the hatred (wtf? the same shit he was pouring down to Evan's ear? Together as one against all others?)
or the evil, or the oppressing forces of that. So I was taking the romantic sense and about the world, which, you have to remember, obviously for both of us, is comprised of all the people we don't know. You and I, we know each other, so that's different.
Idk the fuck he wanted to say at the end. And it's funny the interviewer gave Lindsay more credit than Manson did, Manson didn't even say a word about her.
I am very sorry, I think I misheard here:>and you've spoken of her really funly and she's also in arts
it's probably fondly
, not funly
I don't remember anyone on vk or baginya org saying that Usich was abusive
to him. I was researching a lot thou. She didn't let him to go to meet a fan girl in the hotel in Moscow once. He was hunging out next evening with Alyona, famous starfucker, in a hotel room. Ryan told one Russian chick that Usich is evil bc she's brawling a lot. Manson said once that he stabbed her to death while he was in ekaterinburg in 2012. I'll look for that thread and will add it.
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Here we go. One fan asks a girl who were at afterparty if she has seen Usich. The girl answered that Usich wasn't there, she stayed at hotel and everyone including manson were joking all the time that they stabbed her to the death.
you cannot learn to sage, right?
the sources you mentioned are not deep Russian web, and I didn't say it was in Russian in first place, and you should know that a lot of communication goes on in chats.>>1040493
I don't think he married her in 2017, but why is it even important if he married her or not?
I wish I knew what LKB is doing now. She could really punch him now when people started calling him out.
I'm not sure why you anons freak out when people say their married, almost as if you're broken hearted friends but theres this thing called common law marriage that states if you live with someone in a conjugal way for a certain number of years you can be considered married when it comes to splitting assets.
They don't have it in California but Lindsay has clearly assisted him with making his last three albums like the cover art. And she clearly helps him run his social media with fans. I think she does direct dealings with the fan club and stuff like that. That being said she could be considered an employee and could probably already be on his information anyways as his employee and partner.
They got married because they wanted to get married. Accept it.
The idea that he married her solely because of the life insurance is dumb considering he's only 51, has already spend 10 years with her living as husband and wife. Or long term life partners.
He rarely mentions her and I think it says a lot because beforehand he was always mentioning his girlfriends. I don't see the appeal but he clearly found someone in Lindsay and he's been with her for 10 years, wears a ring now and clearly has no interest in sharing her with the rest of the world.
I know most of us don't believe Manson and Madelyn ever had a fling, but it really wouldn't surprise me if they did. She has no reason to obsess over him, and I don't buy the “crazy fan” rumor. The majority of his fanbase is batshit, but they don't go on rampages of trying to convince people that they're in a relationship with him. They all fawn over Lindsay now because they're convinced he loves her and that that's what he wants from them. If he was still following hate-pages and insulting her publicly, they would've kept hating her. It seems like he fed Madelyn his shit for so long that she actually started believing that they were soulmates, and he'd come back to her. It's sad, really.
I don't believe they're married because they love each other, either. He literally cannot fall in love. The chemical makeup in his brain won't allow him to. He loves himself, and that's it. The fixation point has passed. There's nothing drawing him to her anymore. There has to be some other reason they're married, whether it's for legal purposes, blackmail, or just because he's exhausted with trying to satisfy her.
During the entire Apple interview, all I could think about was him video-calling some girl and jacking off on that couch while Lindsay was locked in their bedroom. It looked like he was checking himself out on the screen every time the camera was pointed directly in front of him.
>>1040675>clearly assisted him with making his last three albums
three? hell no.
she did just one banner for tour a couple of years ago, she did a cover for BV, which nobody liked.
she has absolutely nothing to do with the cover art of his last three albums.
the only appeal he could find in her is that she tolerates everything he does, she is dependent on him and his money. She's his tasty prey, she's his enabler.
>yall want to downplay it or invalidate it.
nobody wants to add one more victim
to the list. nobody wants to believe more women can be interested in him at this stage.
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Manson only sold 30k records in the first week, that’s really low sales. https://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming
Eh, I see more on Twitter and some on Reddit. See the tag istandwithevan and lots of people retweeted her testimony.
Those sales are similar to HUD, he’s had low sales for a while.
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Madelyn is right #mentoo!!!
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New photo of Lindsay not from her Instagram.
Her sister looks fine at her 35. Lindsay is like a newbie beekeeper, why did she have to mess with her face? She could be like Ashley now but nah, wasted…
Wow. These threads are a wild ride for someone who at some point looked up to him. We're at the point where Manson fans basically don't even want to read any stuff on Manson anymore, cause they'll only get more and more disappointment.
I've seen people discussing here whether Manson has always been like that or if he changed for the worse in last 10 years. He's always been narcissistic, but back in 90's-00's he used to have some intelligence, interesting concepts. Now it's just endless cringe and it looks as if brain simply melted away. As much as MM fans glorify Antichrist Superstar years, they'll all tell you how tired they are of his current "bad boy" attitude and striving to be "dangerous". He glorifies abuse towards his girlfriends, cause he's fond of idea of "not being able to change". Regarding his racist/sexist remarks: I bet he likes using n-word and such because of current world's mindset, he'll do this because that's "bold" and "against the social morality" now. It's not even corageous, it's childish.
Someone mentioned Manson being in love with the idea of a girlfriends than a girlfriends itself - I agree. If anything, he was in love with the image, treating his relationships more like movie scripts than anything else. Dita was his burlesque silent movie decadent Berlin phase, ERW was his "abusive emo Twilight" phase. Idk what is Lindsay. Maybe "Hollywood wreck" phase. Remember Coma White, a girl character from his Mechanical Animals album? I have the impression he considered Rose McGowan his Coma White and then he became disenchanted when he realized she's a real person, not a romanticized idea. I don't remember who left who first but I recall something like that from interviews.
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Rose said in an interview a few years ago that they broke up because of her cocaine addiction. He did a painting of her after they split up – Did I Introduce You to My Other Personality?
It seems like he was making a dig at her.
Yeah, it's like he promised her he'd film her for his video in 2009 or when they say they met and now FINALLY ten years later lmao.
She has a lot of screen time, probably more than that guy from Death Stranding. They are serious about building her a career lol.
I doubt they go much farther than what they're doing now. It seems like he gives her just enough to keep her satisfied until he can run away from her again.
Once quarantine is over, they'll probably go back to the way they were before – groupies, insults, and zero publicity for her.
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this would all have seemed so impressive in 1996.
A fan posted their interpretation of the mv. He paints himself as the victim
> He says, "holy shit, baby, you were right," in the beginning, so she knew about the art and suggested the heist. She says she loves him (after he says it), so she's "baby." But obv she was just using them both to get the art. (I interpreted the initial M/N argument as N being pissed that she's there. He never acknowledges her and is distressed that M dies, so I feel like he isn't in on it.) She has a plan for after, bc she's so calm and knows where she's going. But she doesn't have a bag or a vehicle waiting or anything. Therefore I conclude that she must have a secret partner waiting for a big escape. And it's a woman bc she seems awkward and bored with the guys. And bc I say so.
> If I had to guess, M and N are thieves together (dressed alike, do each other's eyes shadow, are the only 2 who interact beyond the voiceover in the begining). L gets those inappropriately long nails in M bc he's the soft, sensitive one. He falls hard. Bc of course he does. So all she has to do is suggest the hit, go along (which M can't refuse, even tho it pisses N off), take them both out, and take the goods.
> I feel bad for N, bc he's dark and bitchy, but he shakes M a lot, yells to keep him awake, prob berates him for trusting her or bringing her along. He obv cares but there's nothing else he can do. M just bleeds out next to him. Brutal af. Why doesn't he run or fight her? Idk. Maybe he's not 100% sure it was her. Like, maybe there was a scuffle with a security guard and she took advantage of it. Maybe he's just heartbroken and figures he might as well die there with M. Maybe he planned to, but bc she didn't wait for the car to stop, he couldn't.
The post is here: https://skin-slave.tumblr.com/post/630369851423277056/professorkittymcpause-just-my-opinion-but-he
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Interesting, because he posts hella hate about ERW on his own page. Racist? >>1048835
Madelyn definitely has a hard on for Trump but she’s still liking anti Lindsay comments on IG. Look under the newest marilynmansonnews post for catsanddevils. She’s too crazy to give it up that easily.
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I second a thread for Madelyns crazy ass. How about when she posted this story trying to justify buying the same cats as Manson as being necessary for her SEVERE cat allergy, despite the fact that she literally had a regular ass cat for years until he… “ran away.” She’s truly special.
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Lindsay looks like she’s had one too many facelifts and Manson’s face is rounder than that, this was from his Apple Music interview last week.
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is he about allegations against him or the US presidential election?
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Tinfoil, feel free to ignore.
Manson started following Rudy Coby who recently hinted at supporting Evan. >>1037972>>1038087
I think he does this shit to intimidate people like how he used to follow Evan, as well.
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Lmao is that a compliment?
wanted to ask this question too
fat clown can't congratulate her in stories, pathetic reposts only
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y'all jealous right? lol
her bd was a big no to question if he is the one who does reposts in his story. this pic was posted 4 or 5 hours after the reposts, and it's definitely by manson.
Lindsay also helps her sister run shopcete account, the photos Lindsay and shopcete posted are identical. What also shocks me is that she had to promote her sister's shop even on her bd. c'mon it can't be that bad.
I doubt he's capable of typing most of the time. Wouldn't be the first time she's using his account and playing happy family.
Her mother once posted a pic of flowers and pretended that Manson and Lindsay gave them to her when she really just saved it from Google. The apple doesn't fall far..
It seems like the only reason Ashley and Lindsay hang out is bc of Ashley's business.
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That's a tattoo. She just covers it up most of the time. It's actually on her left arm, but the version she posted was flipped. It's really amazing how terrible they look in real life compared to how they try to portray themselves on IG. It's like they have nothing else to do besides convincing people that they're this stunning goth couple. Also – hover hand.
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that's a good find. he does try to control and silence everyone who speaks of or hints at his abusive
did anybody notice both of them stopped shitposting in Rose's comments?
seeing photos of Manson makes me think I know everything about hiding my triple chin. And I don't have one. seeing photos of Lindsay makes me think I know everything about hiding scars on my hands, but guess what? There aren't any on my
And yet you can see old bruises like marks on her hand, see pic in the red dress.
btw I just realized Lindsay has a copycat-after-Dita beauty mark on the right side of her face, not left where Dita has hers. Why does she flip ALL
her photos? To look exactly (lol) like Dita?
one more question: can getting lip fillers make it difficult for you to close your mouth?
and the last questions: why was not she with Manson on her birthday? It seems she spent the entire day with her sister.
Dita's beauty mark is on the right side of her face. Lindsay's is on the left, but it changes when she flips her photos. She started dressing like her as soon as they went public with their relationship, except she had red hair then. Before, she was just average looking. I'm still on the fence about whether or not Manson made her or if she did that on her own to make herself more of his type.
She should still be able to close her mouth unless there were complications with the procedure. But I doubt she worries about finding the best doctors, so it's believable. It looks like her lips have gotten bigger since quarantine started.
I bet they don't spend much time together besides going to events to save face. He probably gives her an allowance for her to keep her mouth shut and get out so he can sleep around.
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According to Lindsay herself, he was with her on the beach, but there's not a single photo of him.
It looks like she's really desperate to make that relationship look real.
How do you explain all the weird posts then? If she didn't have anything to prove she wouldn't post anything about him at all.
Her whole life revolves around him, it's sad.
Even her sister wrote "to another year of cats, flowers and Taylor Swift", which was probably meant as a joke, but that's basically all Lindsay has.
He IS kind of cliche now and he's irrelevant now lmao. He thinks he started it all but honestly that is false. The whole "no mom I'm not going to church, I hate middle America" thing was big in the 90s but is cringe now.
This generation is a lot more angrier than he ever was, smarter than he ever was, and most of us weren't born within a religion in the first place. If we had to listen to this guy talk about the bible on MTV (today) we would be bored of him. His appearance is not shocking…he is not shocking to us.
This summer I did a "riot tour" tour rioted through middle America got arrested for stealing in 2 states and didn't think about this "marilyn manson" bullshit not once.
This generation (our generation) would beat this mans ass and he's already CLOSE to be cancelled with all this Evan drama. If he made it mainstream today and everyone dug up all his Evan stuff, we'd end this guy on site. He would be a meme.
I know like ten guys that wear lipstock and eyeshadow. He just released an album and theres literally only one interview about it (itunes) and they didnt even post the whole conversation, he posted it in its entirety on his own channel. He's irrelevant now
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Even with a face full of make-up Manson looks like shit.
Her caption is also sad. It's like he only treats her decently when other people are around.
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A fan posted that photo on the Manson reddit and people are commenting that her photography skills are shit and she buys followers. https://www.reddit.com/r/marilyn_manson/comments/j7uu9b/norman_reedus_marilyn_manson_dctd_by_lindsay_usich/
Agree. Can you image being so arrogant that 70% of your followers are bots and assuming no one will notice or care? That says a lot about her personality.
If people are harsh on Lindsay she did it to herself. She participated in assault with Manson (LKB), lies for him, and several of his exes have called her a gold digging psycho. I have little sympathy for her.
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Manson's supposed to have a role in American Gods this season.
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Has anyone else noticed that he was wearing the same outfit in the Apple interview and when that rapper guy posted those photos? Those were almost 2 months apart. Not new milk, just thought it was a little interesting.
Y'all do know that isolation is part of narcissistic abuse, right?
I don't think she isolates herself on purpose, she's just sick of being abused and tries to avoid everything that upsets him.
they've had their shitty love hate relationship for about 10 years. She must have fought for his attention at the beginning and now she may be tired of him and might want to be away from him.
you are trying to picture everything we know about their relationship altogether at one period of time, and that's not a good take imo.
But you are aware that Manson talks a lot of shit about other girls to his girlfriends, aren't you? It's typical for narcissists, Evan posts a lot about it. Lindsay might actually be the only one who's brainwashed enough to believe everything he says.
That woman has no friends, no money, no car, no other place to stay and a shitty family. She completely depends on him. There's not a single chance she'll leave him, even if she realized that her life is in danger.
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He's put on so much weight since quarantine started. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he was close to 250lbs. I really can't believe that no one tells him how terrible he looks or says something about his health. That can't be good on his heart, especially not with all the cocaine and boozing he does.
Probably because they know nothing about her because he keeps her a cherished secret and the only other encounters mentioned are negative ones with fans so when they look her up theres people on reddit talking about her giving them dirty looks or cussing them out.
Also because she's dating him long term, probably the longest public gf he had and if they're fans, they're jealous? Never understood why people on here hate her, I feel sorry for her if anything
She always seems to be the one that starts shit, I think. @mansonisabusive posted a screenshot of Lindsay messaging her in her story, and most of Manson's side chicks shared caps of her harassing them, too – which, she has the right to be mad that he cheats on her, but it really wasn't those girls' faults either because he fed them his bullshit about how they'd broken up and convinced them he was only exclusive with them.>>1059618
Honestly, the reason there's so much negative stuff about her now is probably because there aren't that many good encounters that people have had with her. She just seems like a bitch in general. He's had a lot of other long-term relationships, too, but those gis didn't get half as much hate as she does. I don't feel sorry for her, though, because it's really her fault. If she hadn't been so rude to people and given them all those stories about her or just used her common sense and figured out that he didn't want her around anymore and she could leave back when she actually had a way out, she wouldn't be in the position she's in. She fought to keep her place by his side, and now she has to deal with the consequences of it.
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>>1059617>All of the caps are her responding to people, not instigating.
Nah, there’s plenty of caps of her instigating shit. Danish Viktoria was a side chick, not a stalker as Lindsay said.
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And another cap from the MM cult with fans saying Hope Harvey and Lindsay harassed them.
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Not very milky but I noticed a couple more MM abuse accounts that recently popped up on IG.
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Wow and I just found @defining_hope’s IG after thinking she’s been very quiet. https://instagram.com/defining_hope?igshid=1w2mwupwuekyl
I am so sorry to post this but isn't it good for Lindsay? She now has a place to live? Her mother's flat is empty now.
Idk the fuck she posted that though. Literally who cares? Manson is probably happy there is nobody to threaten him.
Maybe corona got her?
The post really is weird. It's not like her mother or Lindsay herself are/were famous. It's just for attention.
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Her mother died, but she's still busy liking posts from fan accounts? I don't buy that. Her mother isn't well known, even by Manson's fans. She'd have no problem disappearing from social media, and it's not like anyone looked at her page, anyway. Ashley grew up in the same household as Lindsay, so I really wouldn't be surprised if she had the same warped sense of morality as the rest of them do, at least enough to post about her mother dying so it'd be believable that she actually did. But I don't follow her and her profile is private, so I'm not really sure if she posted the same thing in her story or not.
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I'll burn in hell for this but I went to see her Facebook and found this.Baby Manson time flashbacks
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I don’t want to sound heartless but I’m not buying it. He’s milking this for sympathy, imo. There’s literally a cap of him saying, “I don’t like that mom” to 666fearless and there seemed to be some kind of shady financial arrangement between them.
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his story from yesterday>i will miss you>a pic of muah Lindsay in case you forgot who lost their momma
the fuck is wrong with him?>>1061705> death of his girlfriend’s mother> the mother of his on and off girlfriend, Lindsay Usich,
they watched his recent story but couldn't remember what he posted a few months ago? hello they are married
>the talented photographer, Lindsay Usich>She is credited as the photo source for the cover art of Manson’s 2012 album, ‘Born Villain.’
> he’s a highly emotional and mindful person
Well, I think we all know he doesn't care about his health. Drugs, booze, unprotected sex with random girls. But I would be surprised if Lindsay EVER went outside or let him leave the house.
All she ever seems to do is like pictures of Manson or post pics of cats or flowers. So yeh, it might be a bit difficult for him right now.
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Does anyone else remember the story about the band covering a deaf groupie in lunch meat and pissing on her?
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He is a lazy POS. he wouldn't leave his house often anyway. I doubt Lindsay gives him much discomfort.
>he can't even stand his own girlfriend or wife or whatever we wanna call her.
No real proof so far, sad but true. https://www.nme.com/news/music/marilyn-manson-says-pandemic-has-been-devastating-for-his-mental-health-2789101?amp
←- His ego is bigger than numbers he sees on scales kek.>I’ll probably somehow get blamed for causing the world to fall apart, I’m sure. But I’m not looking for that credit.
Her name is Adina Slotsky and she was in Demystifying the Devil. >>1061838
He’s trying really hard
to paint himself as falsely accused. He was blamed for Columbine 21 years ago and still trying to ride that coattail today.
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He started gaining weight when he was married to Dita, then it got worse while he was with Evan. He looked better around the time he released Pale Emperor, and he said in an interview that he started working out and doing pilates, so it's not really a matter of him not being able to lose weight, he's just too lazy to get off his ass and stop drinking long enough to do it. It's almost hard to imagine the way he looked pre-Eat Me, Drink Me and the way he looks now as the same person. I think this is the worst shape he's ever been in.
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a thread or two ago someone claiming to know him personally said he takes medication for bipolar disorder, some of those medications can make you gain an absolute ton of weight. I can't imagine how else he would have gained so much weight, even if he did absolutely nothing but chug vodka and sit on his ass for 30 years. He was a true ectomorph body type with basically zero body fat. Pic related is how I imagine him looking into a crystal ball in 1993
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Is it just me nitpicking or it's legit strange she posts this?
Okay I get it all people grieve in their own manner, there is no right way to do it but her behavior is beyond what I can understand.
>collects mom's fav perfume
>puts the perfume in the flowers for a good pic
>puts it in Instagram story with a heartbreaking (nope) caption
Also what's wrong with just saying my mother? Why does she always say "our mother"? Is it royal we? Communistic? Schizophrenic? It's your Instagram page, you are the only one here, it's your mother, wake up. And there is no need to write her name in every story. Who cares what's your mom's name?
And thanks for educating your followers. Those dumb bots wouldn't know Cologne is in Germany before you told them.
Milking your mother's death for content and sympathy points is legit gross. Fucking psychopath's diary.
I really think it's just the alcoholism, combined with his metabolism slowing down as he ages.
Alcohol makes you gain weight like crazy. Not just because of the calories in the alcohol itself. Your liver gives priority to processing the alcohol, since your body views it as a poison. This means it doesn't have time to process whatever else you're eating, and your body stores it as fat. That's why even alcoholics who don't eat a lot get a big belly. And we know Manson eats a bunch of junk as well.
As he ages and piles on years of alcohol abuse his liver will be less effective at processing alcohol. "Fatty liver" is a common symptom of alcoholism. So the process speeds up.
Also, if he really is a Narc, he probably won't deal well with a nutricionist or personal trainer telling him what to do. Narcs can't handle any pushback of any kind, which is inevitable in any weightloss regime. No, you can't have the oreos!
If he is on meds that would certainly not help. But I doubt that's everything that's going on.
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So that's why he got engaged to Lindsay lmao
Yes, and her unnecessarily long description of 4711 comes across as pretentious.
Still no obituary for Hope? Manson’s parents both had obituaries that are still up.
I mean, it’s quite possible they’re being very private about it or funeral arrangements are delayed but not one mention of her death on her FB or any social media from family/friends? When my father died his date of death was showing up on background check sites within days. Noting for Hope, so far.
It would be insane if they’re faking it but also kinda strange nothing
comes up at all.
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Mom just died and Lindsay is all over IG gushing over the wedding mention.
He didn’t even announce it, Cage did.
In case anyone doesn’t know, Sailor and Lula are characters from Wild at Heart
who are criminals on the run. Seems fitting.
>>1062808>By the way, is it okay to talk about your wedding?
Lol I think Cage caught him off guard, Manson didn't announce anything.
It's strange to me Manson didn't pronounce her name in recent interviews, not in a single one. They really hoped to keep it private?
Finally someone mentioned the wedding. You can't blame her because she waited for months to get some attention. I think it made her more desperate then the death of her own mother, the lack of interest in their marital status, I mean. The saddest thing is that she truly believes someone is actually jealous of them getting married and that he didn't announce it because he wanted to protect her from jealousy of his fans. He married the last one standing who will be his caretaker when the time comes.
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she will NEVER leave.
mansonisabusive is public now, they had a post collecting many things manson has said about Lindsay over the years. wouldn't you leave immediately after your bf spoke such bs?
many of these are from 2012-2015, from the time when he had a lot of side girls and pushed her away as often as it could be and she did have a chance to leave him for good. her life is literally "you get served what you deserve".
The post if anybody is interested https://www.instagram.com/p/CFg9Cv2lfUm/
Manson about Lindsay Usich, who's been in an on-again, off-again relationship with him since ca. 2009.
1. MTV, September 2012
2./3./4. Rolling Stone, January 6, 2015
5. The Guardian, January 18, 2015
6. film-news.co.uk, January 19, 2015
7. The Times, January 25, 2015
8. i-D, March 2015
9. The Daily Examiner, September 2016
10. Manson's comment on one of Lindsay Usich's posts, 2016
I didn't put the pig comment in the pic as it was posted many times here.
I think the worst thing waiting for her in future is that when Manson dies his victims
will name him, be it ERW, Esmé… Then ex fans will probably come forward and she'll have to face the accusations against her or just hatred as she's gonna be his widow and the person who will have covered his crimes for years.
Manson is a smart piece of shit. He'll die without having any major problems in his life prior to it but for Lindsay it's really a question of time.
I cannot believe she's that much of an idiot.
He was probably reluctant to announce it because he’ll loose some female fans. Being married will be off putting to some groupies and side chicks. He’s just a fat, middle aged, married man stuck with Lindsay now. She’ll never leave him. She’s too demented, too brainwashed to do better. >>1062987
Agree, I think lots
of people will come out of the woodwork or name him when he dies. People will want to know why she covered his crimes.
He better hope women like fat men if he wants to get laid again.
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Also Manson met tammy Bakker in the (I’m guessing) late 90’s early 2000’s.
Okay… wouldn’t be surprising if Manson or Lindsay posted here. It comes up on google and they seem to have nothing better to do. Also, sage your shit. >>1062900>wouldn't you leave immediately after your bf spoke such bs?
I can only assume after years of his abuse >>1037881
she has no self worth anymore.
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I can't help but think that line was written about Lindsay.
I think it's one of his strategies to gaslight her. He is sick.
I remember Hope kept saying Manson protected them (and yet she continued to leak information to fan and haters about his life and new releases just like Lindsay did and does).
He was pouring shit into their ears saying terrible haters gonna hate them lol, and that's why he couldn't show Lindsay off. Now I am 100% sure it was his strategies not to distract new girls and to simply gaslight Lindsay.
Even now she can't fucking call him her husband, talk about the wedding or engagement openly. Everything we've seen so far is reposts in story and vague captions.
>Hope wasn't the nicest person which is probably why family members don't talk about her.
read her facebook. I think she had control issues with her kids private life but she seemed to get on well with her eldest daughter Lori, she used to visit Ashley to see her grandkids and she spent quite a lot of time with Lindsay in 2016 for sure, probably Lindsay lived with her o vice versa.
Like it's been said before, he didn't want to get married.
And bc he's a narcissist he doesn't give a shit about others. He only uses them. He surrounds himself with people that blindly follow every step and every command of his.
His fans are the best example. Completely brainwashed people who'll harass and stalk everyone who says something against him.
And yeah, seems like Hope's children were the only ones who didn't abandon her. Maybe she manipulated them as well.
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Ok which one of y’all have been messaging Madelyn lmao
And Madelyn, baby girl, first of all it’s LIBEL. Secondly it’s only libel if it’s patently untrue and you can prove it’s damaged your reputation. The only one damaging your rep is you, and we all know you’re catsanddevils, who literally spent years spreading rumors about Lindsay that you could never, ever prove. Screenshots to jog your memory :)
Probably another manson obsessive dumb enough to believe her bullshit, and suffering a misguided case of jealousy.
If anyone is messaging her at all. She could just be looking for attention and pity.
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Another receipt from a fan that knows someone close to Lindsay. Honestly, I'm still on the fence about who's the abuser in their relationship. Obviously, he does, but I don't think it's all one-sided. There have been multiple people that have claimed she's just as bad as he is, that she helps him. It seems like she truly deserves what she gets.
Louise said Lindsay was there for something she later viewed as sexual assault. She doesn’t give any account that Lindsay was an active participant. To me that paints the picture that lindsays a victim
. She probably gets love bombed like crazy by Manson, and then is forced to literally watch him fuck other girls but is probably made to feel like “my perfect mate would be ok with this” and so she plays that role. I read her as someone who’s been abused for years, stripped of her autonomy, told she’s “the one” but then gets kicked to the curb and so obviously reacts and claws her way back in because what else can you do when you’ve been stripped of everything? Even the way she talks now, she just seems lobotomized. Like no real opinions on anything, no sense of humor, nothing really personal. It all somehow orbits around the concept of what MM’s perfect partner would be. Gothic, romantic, well-read, creative. But there’s no soul left in her and honestly I’ve only ever seen that personally in abuse victims
What she really did to manson is questionable since he lies a lot. We only know that she was jealous and stalked girls, but that's it. I need proofs that she was abusive
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we can only hope it happens one day.
>full face makeup, styled hair, "sexy" top
>wife-beater shirt, didn't even wash his face
nice relationship goals
No obituary for Hope Harvey so far?
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we can only hope it happens one day.
>full face makeup, styled hair, "sexy" top
>wife-beater shirt, didn't even wash his face
nice relationship goals
No obituary for Hope Harvey so far?