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No. 1959094

A thread about all about the book drama world be it:
Booktok/tube drama
Authortok/tube drama
Book review/Goodreads drama


Notable author cows:
>Xiran Jay Zhao - Author of "Iron Widow." A themby who insists that she's NB and wants they/them pronouns but always dresses and presents like a woman. Started off on youtube and became successful after reviewing Disney's Live Action Mulan. With the new success, she continued to make claims how China was "so queer until white people came in!" ignoring the eunuchs, concubines, and wanton sexual abuse of boys. Still makes incorrect claims about Chinese history. Family are rich Chinese with ties to the CCP. Even mainlanders dislike her. Used viral success to promote her book, which is a Darling in the Franxx rip off. Commissions people to make "fanart" of her "polyamorous" characters from book. Reported the Cat Corrain drama, which caused people to think she was Cait Corrain and received lots of hateful messages. Doesn't know when to STFU about politics and claims her new book is delayed because of her stance on Palestine. Currently acting out because she got disqualified for the Hugo award, which is hosted in China this year.

>Piper CJ - Author of "The Night and It's Moon". She's self-published a book with a self-depricating attitude that "no one will read it" yet advertises it like crazy on tiktok, garnering lots of interest. Book gets released, it's predictably bad-average. Youtube book reviewer ReadswithRachel makes a video reviewing using buzzwords like plagarism and "problematic representation." CJ and her friends (or sockpuppets) start to leave nasty messages and report Rachel's tiktok. Overall CJ doesn't take criticism well. Recently wrote another book


>Cait Corrain - Author of "Crown of Starlight." Started off as a Reylo fanfic writer. Created lots of sockpuppet goodread accounts to reviewbomb up-and-coming books in the same genre as hers and other indie randos. Absolutely retardedly used those same accounts to give her book 5 stars. People caught on to the fake reviews and figured out it was her. When caught, she created fake conversations with the "real culprit." Screenshot convos were horribly editted and cropped, indicating she didn't even bother to at least have a conversation with herself. No one bought it. Got dropped by her agent and publishing company. Authors that got reviewbombed all happened to be POC and got labed as racits. In her apology, she blamed it all on depression and alcoholism.


>Alice Oseman - author of "Heartstoppers." Hates BL made by Asians and touts herself as writing true queer romance without the problematic stuff "Asians" write. Currently getting eaten alive by the audience she bowed down to by daring to make the implication of her 17-year old male character looks up sex questions on google


>Alex Aster - Author of "Lightlark." Blew up on tiktok over making videos about vague tropes and asking "Would you want to read a book about X trope??" The viral success got her a publishing deal and a movie deal. Aster claimed she was self-made. Turns out her family is rich and her twin sister is a millionare. Book is released and it's laughably bad and juvenile. Sequel written and released a little over a year after first book. Still bad.


Book reviewers that attract drama:
>WithCindy
>ReadswithRachel

Book hoarding and subscription consoom:
>illumicrate
>fairyloot
>owlcrate


Notable ancient milk:
>Hockey booktok incident
>Cyborg Tinkerer fiasco
>Handbook for Mortals
>JK Rowling always winning

No. 1959106

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Thanks for the thread anon. The amount of abuse disguised as romance/erotic books that booktok shills scares me. These women are on a platform predominately filled with kids and teens and promoting disgusting shit like pic rel.

No. 1959109

nice thread anon! I don't really have milk to post but the trend of book consooming is really fun to watch. Like, buying copies of books you already own because they sprayed some ugly pattern on the pages so it looks cool when the book is shut. Well that's good, because we all know the damn things aren't actually getting opened and read.

No. 1959117

maybe i should be happy people are reading but booktok pushes the most braindead fantasy slop. i respect the freaks and weirdos on AO3 more than the average ACOTAR enjoyer.

No. 1959120

Alice Oseman and everything related to Heartstoppers makes my blood pressure shoot through the roof. I don't know where to start since just thinking about it makes me mad.

No. 1959121

everything i learn about booktok makes snakes appear in my house. who was that loser who claimed the wife of the hockey player she was sexually harassing was jealous of her??

No. 1959134

>>1959117
I don't think consooming reading deserves a pat on the back tbh. Like none of these booktok people are learning anything of value or reading critically, they're just mindlessly absorbing bad content in an analogue form.

No. 1959156

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>>1959134
Facts. Also it seems like every novel that gets latched onto by booktok is just an OC retelling of a trope that was popular on Tumblr in 2013 like picrel. How long until florist/tattoo artist shit starts taking off?

No. 1959161

>>1959094
what do you think is the cause of all these smut books and what are the effects of it? Is it right to call it a form of porn brainrot?

No. 1959169

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>>1959156
lately there has been a discussion about age appropriate ratings on books and adding a blatant THIS BOOK CONTAINS GRAPHIC SEX SCENES on the cover/spine/somewhere because a lot of popular booktok/bookstagram/booktuber users have come out and said they witnessed girls as old as 12 years buying icebreaker and other novels with graphic sex scenes. shit just flies under the radar because of cutesy comic covers like this. of course there are also others who are like "uhm ackshooalley!" and then proceed to explain that they read books at college level at age 12 or something and read smut on wattpad and they came out fine, etc. i have to admit that i did that too but my 12 year old brain couldn't really process the sex scenes and was mostly unbothered by them. it was only when i got a bit older, like 14, that i realized what exactly i was reading. this is not to defend this phenomenon at all btw, i still think they shouldn't read hardcore smut at age 12.

>>1959161
nta and i have no solid explanation for this either, but maybe women just go through a hardcore phase of sex obsession after being repressed all throughout puberty because girls aren't supposed to be interested in sex? most of these smut booktok users are young women between 18 and 25, with a few being much older. i had a roommate who was super uptight and also vaguely religious but her bookshelf was just rows upon rows of smut books. i also noticed that some seem to larp as cool girls by reading these books in public tho show everyone how cool and unbothered they are about consuming smut.

picrel, this is only mildly milky but i'm in the illumicrate server and you're not allowed to talk about jkr there. someone even posted in the introductions channel and mentioned she liked hp and someone else immediately replied "hiii gurl you're not allowed to talk about THAT ONE SERIES here!" it's hilarious.

No. 1959179

>Alice Oseman - author of "Heartstoppers." Hates BL made by Asians and touts herself as writing true queer romance without the problematic stuff "Asians" write. Currently getting eaten alive by the audience she bowed down to by daring to make the implication of her 17-year old male character looks up sex questions on google
fucking kek. that's what you get for sucking up to insane puritan wackos with the same attitude as those republicans who want to ban books from schools in murica for containing gay people or whatever.
>>1959169
>a lot of popular booktok/bookstagram/booktuber users have come out and said they witnessed girls as old as 12 years buying icebreaker and other novels with graphic sex scenes
sounds like more insane pearlclutching to me. ofc 12 year olds are going to want to read romance and smut, they're in puberty. do you expect girls to only want to read books about horses or something up until age 18?

No. 1959181

>>1959179
>sounds like more insane pearlclutching to me. ofc 12 year olds are going to want to read romance and smut, they're in puberty. do you expect girls to only want to read books about horses or something up until age 18?
thats not normal for 12yos wtf

No. 1959182

>>1959179
stuff like twilight, maze runner, hunger games, etc. was a hit with 12 year olds and there weren't any sex scenes in there either.

No. 1959186

>>1959181
yes it is, sorry. are you seriously going to act like the biggest (if not the only) consumers of shitty wattpad smut aren't literal 12 year olds?
>>1959182
how does that disprove my point exactly? i can recall a bunch of books with sex and other mature themes in them like abuse etc being popular when i was a kid.

No. 1959191

>>1959186
i'm amazed that you think there's absolutely nothing between "horse books" and "r18 erotic literature" for TWELVE year olds to read, but alright.

No. 1959197

>>1959191
nice projection retard, you're the one acting like there's nothing more to YA books with sex scenes than said sex scenes. i haven't read icebreaker or any other trendy tiktok YA book but they wouldn't be published let alone popular if they were literal fanfiction style PWP smut. they obviously have drama, fantasy, action and romance etc etc in them as well. you're also acting like the existance of some YA books with explicit stuff in them are corrupting all the children and preventing them from reading other books as well kek. stop with the moral panic, worry about the moidlets getting radicalized online and developing hardcore porn addictions at 11 instead.(derailing)

No. 1959199

>>1959186
were you molested anon? its definetly not normal for 12yos to read or seek out that crap.(derailing/infighting)

No. 1959207

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here's a booktok sexual fantasy cringe collage. posts like this are also made to advertise books by getting people (including kids) intrigued in a particular sex scenario featured in the book.

No. 1959208

>>1959207
The fact they are censoring words so it can get past tiktok's filter and reach kiddies is disgusting. This is grooming.

No. 1959212

>>1959208
nah, don't worry, nonna,
>they obviously have drama, fantasy, action and romance etc etc
so it's all good if impressionable 12 year olds are exposed to adult content like this! kek.

No. 1959216

>>1959208
>censoring words so it can get past tiktok's filter and reach kiddies is disgusting. This is grooming.
people also censor the word "kill" to "unalive" on tiktok. this isn't a conspiracy to groom children, dumbass, they just don't want to get reported or banned. the people posting this shit are literal teenagers themselves lmfao

No. 1959222

>>1959216
>people also censor the word "kill" to "unalive" on tiktok
yeah, because tiktok is a platform for children. Stop trying to groom children into crappy smut novels jesus christ.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1959223

>>1959207
All this shit sounds cringe as fuck or something that horny teenager could write.
I personally hate when book tags get full of shitty quotes and countdowns to some wattpad shit getting published. At least that's how polish booktags on twitter look like. It's genuinely hard to find something actually good unless you find someone you have similar taste to.

No. 1959225

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xiran really won't shut up about being disqualified from the hugo awards.

No. 1959233

It was about high time a thread was made about these losers, I occasionally browse through booktwt and everyone is some level of retard or degen.

No. 1959235

>>1959156
I'm honestly fine with this genre. The worst thing about it is that it can be a bit bland, but overall, it's fine and non-offensive. It's important we have romance books that don't promote or encourage rape culture, kinks or fujocoomerism.

No. 1959240

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>>1959225
Every author on booktwt is on the palestinian side brw, retweeting some "#freepalestine" posts every few days or so. Xiram could have done the same, but she was actively retweeting accounts that were legitimately anti-Semitic like Sam Parker (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she didn't know, and she did undo it). However, she isn't stopping, so it's no wonder she was snubbed from the hugos.(sage)

No. 1959242

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The publisher is probably giving her the cold shoulder because they're trying to find a way out of their contract because she's clearly difficult to work with. Hope the performative activism was worth potentially being blacklisted by the publishing industry Xiran!! Also of course she's bashing the publisher and then telling everyone to go preorder her book—the only way she makes any sales is when she starts drama or inserts herself into it kek

also thank god someone made this thread, it's crazy how many authors are complete cows and their fans eat it right up

No. 1959243

>>1959169
If I had a book club/forum I'd have the same rule but for a different reason, aka the discourse is just not worth it and would be endless. Even in a terf club there'd be discourse over jkr being too libfem or whatever

No. 1959244

>>1959242
pure autism. i would think her publisher would drop her after whatever deal they have runs out considering she acts like this, but maybe her books are too lucrative. i don't read YA romantasy shit so i wouldn't know. i just don't understand how people like this get actual book deals.

No. 1959245

>>1959242
Xiran getting blacklisted would be a dream come true. Imagine the endless seething and milk to come of it. Career bought by her parents and she still manages to fuck it up. I wonder if her publisher and editor knows she's airing all this dirty laundry on twitter.

No. 1959246

>>1959235
I would rather my daughter read BL than booktok shilled crap. I have never read one of these crappy romance books that didnt have some pickme propaganda sparkled in.

No. 1959247

>>1959245
My FIL is an author and almost had a movie made with an A-list as the star but since fil is so hard to work with they had to cancel the project. I hope the same happens to Xiran because that would be incredibly hilarious.(blog)

No. 1959248

>>1959246
okay I guess, I'm just saying that bland safe-romances are better most shit that gets popular on booktwt.(sage your shit)

No. 1959249

>>1959246
not everyone wants to read about boys kissing anon. Girls deserve their self insert fantasies

No. 1959250

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>>1959246
since everyone loves these "spicy" romance novels so much i decided to give picrel a try when the hockey fiasco happened and it was so bad. the female character's entire personality hinged on her being tiny and smol and pint sized and little and she had to jump off of bar stools and stand on her widdle tippy toes and whatnot. it was so cringe. then i thought it was finally over after 300 pages of will they/won't they but it kept going for another 300 pages because they suddenly broke up again and shit like that.

>>1959248
you do realize that there are explicit sex scenes in icebreaker and similar cartoon cover novels, right? the problem is that these books looks "safe" but they're actually for adults and not intended for the YA market. they're NOT for children and young teenagers who are not prepared to read about explicit sex scenes. there are novels out there for teenagers that deal with first love and first sexual experiences without the characters fucking like crazy, using dirty talk, and engaging in weird kink.(derailing)

No. 1959252

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>>1959244
>>1959245
The thing is, the typical pattern for books that become popular on "booktwt" is that the first one usually performs well and receives praise from critics. It then becomes mandatory for sequels to be made. However, when the second book is released, it fails to make any impact because people only liked the first book as a way to virtue signal. Lindsay Ellis book "Axiom End" had a similar fate, and I assume Xiran would have suffered the same fate.

No. 1959259

>>1959249
I was gifted those type of a lot books when i was a teen and i loathed them. The self inserts is always some weak girl who gets abused by the male love interest and its potrayed as something good for some god forsaken reason. I seriously would rather my daughter get into BL, or even better, actual books with substance than that crap. Seriously some of you never gave that crap a read, because even the safer looking ones are filled with toxicity that just brainwashed teen girls into thinking abusive relationships are hot. They are literally poison and there is nothing safe about them. Western BL shit like heartstoppers and all its ''bettern than japanese fujoshit'' stuff is actually miles better because its honestly pretty vanilla and uwu, the way stuff targetted at girls should be.

No. 1959262

>>1959244
I doubt her books are lucrative, they may have purchased them thinking it'll be easy money because of her online following but considering the book is widely regarded as mediocre and gets absolutely zero buzz in the wider book community they could probably get rid of her and not lose that much in profits kek.
>>1959245
Same, I used to not mind her but the constant pot stirring and self-inserting into drama is so grating, especially how she made herself the authority on that whole review bombing incident despite not being affected by it all so she could shill her shitty books some more and bring in some youtube views.
No doubt they know, she's sent her mob of fans out to harass them with torches and pitchforks kek

No. 1959268

>>1959250
>the female character's entire personality hinged on her being tiny and smol and pint sized and little
literally every single one of these "spicy" books is like this, and if it isn't the female MC is plus size instead for the representation brownie points. my stupid ass bought into the hype on quite a few of these books and not once have i seen a female lead who's tall or physically strong. of course if anyone criticizes this trend of spicy books having the woman be infantilized and the man be some violent alpha male dom that is physically violent it gets dismissed with the classic "don't yuck my yum" that people use to invalidate any complaints. i seriously can't wait for this shit to die(derailing)

No. 1959269

>>1959250
>there are novels out there for teenagers that deal with first love and first sexual experiences without the characters fucking like crazy, using dirty talk, and engaging in weird kink.
you'd be naive to think books like that would be accepted by any of the unhinged autists who complain about any and all types of sexual content. read the OP, just a scenario where a 17 year old fictional character googles sex is enough for the moralfagging retards to lose their minds, cry about pedophilia and grooming and cancel the author for sexualizing a minor uwu kek

No. 1959270

>>1959259
okay but the uke acts the exact the same way in most BL stories. so it would be exactly the same just with gay butt sex.(>>>/ot/)

No. 1959273

Please don't let this thread get derailed by fujosperging, please. Let's just stick to book drama.

No. 1959275

>>1959270
go to sleep pakichan, i should have known it was you when you said you would rather girls read books were coquette dainty smol girls get abused by older men than some super vanilla coffee AU western BL(hi cow)

No. 1959278

>>1959269
some character googling sex isnt the same as straight up weird kink shit like >>1959207

No. 1959285

Thanks for the thread OP! There is so much Piper CJ milk I’m too lazy to gather right now, but she also used to be a “sex worker” aka did OF during pandemic and made all her money AS WELL AS lied about her degree so she can say she’s an expert on folklore and her word is law despite being actively very wrong when she speaks about lots of cultural mythology kek I will try to dig thru my screenshots since I ragequit following her for milk earlier in 2023

No. 1959288

>>1959275
you are genuinely delusional if you think that majority of BL stories don't feature abusive dynamics, and it's an objective fact that there are for more "super vanilla coffee AU" featuring opposite-sex relationships

No. 1959300

>>1959288
> and it's an objective fact that there are for more "super vanilla coffee AU" featuring opposite-sex relationships
I have genuinely never come across a genderbent version of those fluffly western yaoi books written by straight women. All straight romance books are abusive.(derailing)

No. 1959318

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Some people were mentioning Marion Zimmer Bradley in the fandom drama thread and the fact that she enabled her pedophile husband and allegedly sexually abused her own daughter. Here's some more info: http://www.marionzimmerbradley.com/

I hadn't heard of this before and haven't read Mists of Avalon nor her daughter's memoir on the subject, but apparently her daughter is a proud homophobe and blames her mother and father's pedophilia on the fact that they were both homosexual. It's not surprising considering the kind of abuse she suffered but it seems like her views are extreme enough that no regular publisher was willing to publish her book.

No. 1959320

>>1959207
That last comment got me, I wish they'd get laid and stop flinging their terrible smut at unsuspecting kids on Tiktok. But that wouldn't give them the attention they crave.
>>1959243
I'm pretty sure Illumicrate do have that rule because of drama. HP has better writing, more fleshed out characters, a more cohesive plot, and more compelling backstories than all the slop that's being shilled as 'better' because one character has he/she/cloud pronouns. Can you imagine how much doxing and death threats the server has avoided by not letting the sensitive queerios discuss JKR and HP? That could land them into serious legal trouble. They already have their hands full babysitting retards who regularly pay hundreds for books with pretty covers.

No. 1959322

>>1959207
Some of these are literally porn scenarios. I hate how moid porn is starting to infect women's erotica.

No. 1959323

>>1959300
come on, there are plenty of fluffy straight books you can find in your local bookstore right now and thousands of them online, you have the same denial of reality as most TIFs.

No. 1959324

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>>1959318
I've talked about this before, but here's the full story for anyone interested, I'm sure most people have never heard of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America, They’re one of the main SFF tastemakers, founded by Damon Knight in 1965. They award the Nebula Prize, which, along with the Hugo, is the premier award for Science-Fiction and Fantasy authors.
Marion Zimmer-Bradley, was central to the SFWA clique and even was on the board in the 70s. at that time MZB her work was considered instrumental in lesbian and feminist fantasy literature, she was also a founder of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a major LARP group. MZB’s husband was the “Grand Master” of Creative Anachronism(a space often filled with children)
her husband was the subject of a letter called “The Breendoggle” in which the Berkely SFF crowd debated what to do about his frequent "incidents". her husband was eventually arrested and convicted for this. His daughter Moira, was one of his accusers. Moira has made it clear that MZB, and her step-mother and everyone in that clqiue knew what he did and either just ignored it or actually tried to help him. It was public knowledge. It was a network of fucked up people.

there's also there two men, who were also involved in the scene and likely pedos as well.
>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as well
>Ed Kramer, SFWA alum, founder of Dragon-Con, and Nebula host, is also a convicted child abuser. He was vigorously defended in this by other notable SFWA alums.

No. 1959325

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Books that center around sports teams, but were obviously written by individuals who have never played or watched sports, are such an interesting 'genre' to me, like I'm sure the authors could find something else that they are more familiar with.

No. 1959328

>>1959323
Even the fluffliest of straight books have some form of abuse. Romance novel authors would rather die than write a non toxic/abusive moid love interest and a FMC that has a strong personality that just isnt ''bratty''.

No. 1959331

>>1959328
you know what, I'm not gonna bother anymore, keep your delusional about how BL series are totes vanilla and pure and not filled with disgusting fetishes and totally won't push young girls to troon out.(derailing)

No. 1959333

>>1959225
>>1959242
Yes, Xiran, you are the victim of this war. Call the UN. We need a trial against the Hugo Awards and her publisher for genociding her books.

No. 1959336

>>1959325
I kinda get why someone may be interested in writing it. They can probably get away with not being 100% accurate because the readers aren't really there for the technical aspect of the sport. It's like how girls are obsessed with sports anime despite not really being interested in the sport prior. There's the action from the matches, drama/tension between characters either on the same or opposing teams, coming of age themes, etc.

No. 1959340

>>1959285
Isn't she the one who claimed she wrote her book in a really short amount of time (I don't remember exactly how long, like a few weeks?) and then it turned out to basically be Witcher fanfiction?

No. 1959342

>>1959325
i remember reading this a few years ago (2016, maybe?) because my friend was super into it. i never got past half of book 2. then last year i tried to reread it and was baffled by the low quality writing. it read like fanfic. same for the raven cycle, which i never finished but gave another try years later only to drop it again.

No. 1959343

>>1959331
you are so centered in your hatred towards fujos that you cant even understand why western BL is fluffly cutesy diabetes inducing lovey dovey where writers get cancelled over an underage characters googling sex vs how no one calls out the thousands of abusive coquette ddlg crap that get shilled on booktok to girls. But ok, keep shilling disgusting DDLG shit to girls, its definetly better than some gay fluff stuff.(infighting)

No. 1959344

>>1959336
>There's the action from the matches, drama/tension between characters either on the same or opposing teams, coming of age themes, etc.
again, couldn't that be accomplished with a genre the author is more familiar with.

No. 1959346

>>1959344
tbf the sport in foxhole court is made up. exy doesn't exist. it's a mix of lacrosse and hockey.

No. 1959350

Does anyone here know how can you get a deal and be a published autor?? Like, obviously they accept anything by anyone. I want to publish my book, I'm not american but I l'd like to get it published in the US. If anyone ITT knows anything about this or where I can find information regarding this topic, I'd be grateful. Have a nice rest of the week anyone reading this kek

No. 1959359

When my friends and I were around 12 our favorite pasttime was going through random books in search of sex scenes and then we'd read them together on the bus on the way to school, it was so fun. With so much porn, shitty moids (and boys) and political propaganda out there, how are you having an issue with girls reading something, even if it's dirty (or rather funny)? Especially now when most (pre)teens just spend their days frying their brains on tiktok or streamers instead.(not your personal blog)

No. 1959362

>>1959186
When I was 12 I didn’t even know what fanfic was, and when I found it a few years later I had my FFN filter set to K-T until I was like 15. 12 is very early to be exposed to graphic content anon.

No. 1959364

>>1959362
Samefag, there are kids I went to middle school with who bragged about the HBO Shows their parents let them watch and their older siblings showing them porn, with a little bit of hindsight it’s pretty obvious that they were being harmed in some way. TL;DR 12 is too young to be reading graphic smut and these cutesy covers shouldn’t be going on books that contain it.

No. 1959367

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Here's a resource that I think should be included in the OP. It's an article written by YA author Kat Rosenfield. It gives a lot of background on the writer community online and why it's so cutthroat and full of drama: https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.html

You'll have to copy+paste the link to view it because the retarded redtext breaks links. Picrel is just an image from the article demonstrating how retarded the community is.

No. 1959368

>>1959235
>fujocoomerism
Go back your containment thread.(derailing)

No. 1959373

Real question for nonas: does BookTok even read?
Because I’d believe it they never touched even a single page of the books they recommend and if all of these “quote posts” they made were just copying off quotes they see in GoodReads.

No. 1959374

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>>1959156
This sounds like a straight ripoff of picrel (which was a webcomic on Tumblr before it went into print). Instead of an ice skater becoming a hockey player and dating his teammate, its a hockey player becoming an ice-skater in order to fuck a boring pickme. Betwen this and the Reylo trash, we really need to stop letting fanfic writers get published.

No. 1959375

>>1959350
have rich parents who know someone in the industry, thats how all of these girlies are doing it

No. 1959376

Imma be honest, but "women write cringe porn books sometimes and it gets popular on TikTok" isn't tea to me. There's still thousands of books of "serious" literature in your genre of writing being published every year, whether it's nonfiction, fantasy, mystery, or whatnot.
Let adult women write porn novels and profit off of it and be horny. The fact that children have unrestricted internet access starting at age 5, meaning pornhub and gore videos, isn't their fault.
Authors infighting or being drama queens is interesting discussion. But women have been writing and publishing degenerate content for the last 100 years at least.(derailing)

No. 1959377

>>1959374
I’ve never heard of either book before but I’d 100% believe you by the cover art alone, that cover looks so great and emotional and dynamic compared to the soulless shit that is >>1959156

No. 1959378

I'm not sure where I read it, but the other day I saw someone mentioning that the reason all those weird sex books even get called YA, is because there's no other real genre for them. Think about it, romance books are usually also shunned, let alone those trashy sex filled once with delightfully over the top covers.
A man can write a book filled with all of his fetishes and it'll have a chance of being considered literature, but a woman writing about romance is considered juvenile, generally speaking. Of course there's exceptions. I'm pretty sure it's why 'new adult' was attempted as a genre for the smuttier but still light reading books, but nobody really bothered to promote it so it's all YA again. I don't think it's tiktok's fault as much as it is the fault of things young women like being ridiculed as always. Somehow YA has become the one somewhat respected genre where they all get shoehorned in because that's the only way to make money.

No. 1959379

>ReadswithRachel
I like to watch book reviewers on youtube so I've seen a few of hers but she just gave me the ick so I had to stop watching her. She's just overly woke and pandering, I rememeber she went on a spiel about how you can't say "aspergers" because nazis and whatever other misinformation she got from tiktok. The thing that made me finally quit was when she brought her husband/bf into a video and her voice immediately turned into a soft baby voice, it felt like I was third wheeling on their date it was so uncomfortable to watch

No. 1959381

>>1959379
She is super cringe to me too kek she’s “pansexual” but ofc married to a man. Seems like the type to suck troon dick. I used to know someone who knew her and she did seem absolutely drunk on woke koolaid.
>>1959340
Kek yes it 1000% is Witcher fanfic and it’s so blatantly ripped off but she will not admit it she gets really ass blasted at any accusations and will try to act like a bad unbothered elf queen. her shitty makeup and bad fillers also kill me but that’s more of a nitpick kek

No. 1959382

>>1959350
I don't know firsthand but I had a friend who tried getting his (he's a moid so he already had an advantage) book published but was never able to. Instead publishers picked shitty books from people they knew personally or trashy but trendy stuff with sex and porny moments. My friend's book wasn't great but you'd think they'd choose something that was at least gramatically correct over some shit with typos and stupid pacing/concept.

No. 1959384

>>1959378
God it pisses me off so much that when I try to find a nice normal fantasy book now the top 50 seems to be JUST fucking erotica and porn. It's nearly impossible to find out what is or isn't a stupid porno book on the list, but the best bet seems to be looking for male authors which is also annoying because I'd love to support female authors but they all just write shitty erotica. I just want a fantasy adventure I don't want to hear about some lame barely legal girl getting fucked by an abusive thousand year old fairy dude. You know something has gotten fucked up when it's the women producing nothing but porn while the men write normal shit, how did we get here???

No. 1959389

>>1959384
just google the title of the book and add spicy at the end. or check goodreads reviews for the words spicy/spice. i do the same but with the word trans because i want to avoid that shit as best as possible, kek. i prefer to do that instead of reading moid literature.

>>1959373
i'm in a few "cozy reading servers" on discord and they do discuss books, but idk about the big name booktokers. a lot of them are more into buying books, see vidrel.

>>1959350
aside from having rich parents and connections to the industry: be a big hit on wattpad, kek.

No. 1959395

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now, blogpost, but: I consider myself a pretty avid reader, probably 40-50 books per year from a variety of genres. Occasionally, I add in some trash erotica, because I'm an adult woman and it gives me a nice break from the more 'serious' reading. Most of my friends who are hardcore readers in their mid 20s are the same: reading a lot from all genres, but occasionally reading a 'bookTok' or erotica book for fun.
With that being said, I'm a bit confused with the demands of some anons in this thread, and it does feel a bit like pearlclutching. Do you want women to not be able to publish erotica? Or for it to not have cartoon covers? Or for TikTok to be more age restricted? Or for an age warning on novels? (I could get behind that last one.)
Because a lot of anons in this thread feel kind of like, "raa raa raa, women write horny garbage sometimes just like men do and that makes me angry!"
I can 100% guarantee you 'serious' literature is being published every day by women and it will continue to be published, get your book recommendations from somewhere other than TikTok if you wanna find it.(blogposting)

No. 1959397

>>1959395
I wouldn't mind age warnings/intended reader age labels on novels, especially YA. Books intended for 12-16yo usually cover different subjects than 17-21+.

No. 1959398

>>1959395
the anons here aren't a monolith but personally i'd really appreciate an age rating or something that explicitly mentions that the book contains sex scenes. cutesy cartoon covers are very misleading (there's a video going around of a bookstore having icebreaker and wildfire right next to other middle grade books because the covers have the exact same art style) but if there's an "r18" or "adult only" somewhere, hopefully it helps. kids and teenagers will always be curious and find stuff that may not be age appropriate but that doesn't mean we have to make access readily available.

No. 1959400

>>1959397
Yeah, I think that's a fair wish, we have it for video games and movies.
>>1959398
Same as anon above, that's reasonable, and I guess it could be 2 or 3 anons who are posting about the state of women's literature. It just feels like some posters are upset that women are publishing erotica, that it's discussed online, or that sometimes the erotica has themes they don't like.

If anyone is curious about why some women would dare to read problematic erotica, here's my explanation which is somewhat blogposty:
Even if you're in a good relationship irl, or a relatively morally upright, law-abiding person irl, sometimes literature is a fun place to explore things we have no interest in doing irl. Yes, sometimes that means… reading about sex with a vampire, pirate, the boss of your company, your brother's best friend, or your pick of male tropes. Sometimes you feel curious about what it'd be like to date someone possessive or powerful, even if you have no intention of doing that irl. Sometimes things that wouldn't be cool irl happen but it's okay because it's literature and you're an adult woman. Not everyone who reads murder mysteries wants to experience a local murder.

No. 1959403

>>1959400
It’s fair to criticize book trends that promote abusive relationships like they’re titillating and sexy. Your spoiler is very “if women like it then you cannot criticize it!!!1!” libfem bullshit. You can read that slop if you want, no one’s gonna come to your house and burn your “Tall Brooding Man Rapes Me Every Day When I Go to Wash My Clothes in The River” porn book. But we’re allowed to criticize it and voice concern for the young impressionable audiences reading it.

No. 1959406

>>1959400
>Sometimes things that wouldn't be cool irl happen but it's okay because it's literature and you're an adult woman. Not everyone who reads murder mysteries wants to experience a local murder.
False comparison. Murder mysteries are not written to have readers to self-insert as the murder victim. Not to mention, the main focus is the aspect of mystery and puzzle solving, not the bloodbath itself.

No. 1959409

>>1959403
I do care a lot about the state of kiddos, so I'll respond to this earnestly.
I think, "Cute illustrations with no age rating on the cover" or "Unknowing bookstore clerks putting it in the YA section" are valid things to be worried about, and theoretically fixable. Also people trying to slip past censors on TikTok, or TikTok not having a good age rating (idk, I've never used TikTok)
But I don't think "This is ruining literature" or "I don't like this being published at all" are valid complaints.

No. 1959410

>>1959403
>>1959406
Nayrt but you guys are sounding like Flaubert's critics who said women were impressionable beings and reading Madame Bovary would make them start cheating and commit suicide. So what if some women find self inserting into abusive relationship fiction titillating. It says more about their own issues than anything else. Erotica writers aren't promoting abuse more than Flaubert was promoting suicide.

No. 1959412

>>1959156
>>1959374
>retelling of a trope that was popular on Tumblr in 2013 like picrel.
>This sounds like a straight ripoff of picrel (which was a webcomic on Tumblr before it went into print).
Man, you guys gotta expose yourself to shit outside tumblr. That trope has been boring people since the 90s. And none of you heard of Blades of Glory, which was, in 2007, mocking the fuck out female ice skater has to partner up with a male hockey player trope by making it to two men and a comedy?
>>1959156
> How long until florist/tattoo artist shit starts taking off?
I say never cause that's not the thing that appeals to a mainstream audience who haven't spent time in fandom to get why the trope exists in the first place.
>>1959324
>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as well
Delaney is a complete degenerate. He wrote some nonscifi stuff that was just child abuse porn. His novel Hogg: "The plot features a silent pre-adolescent boy (called only "cocksucker") sold into sexual slavery to a rapist named "Hogg" Hargus, who exposes him to the most extreme acts of deviancy imaginable. These acts include a substantial amount of "rape, violence, and murder", such as "scenes of Hogg and his gang brutally raping various women" and other "extensive scenes involving consumption of bodily waste. Every chapter in the novel contains graphic sexual or violent acts."

No. 1959413

>>1959400
The issue is less that erotic lit is being discussed online, but that it's being promoted in mixed age spaces. Like >>1959207 was taken from Tiktok where users have to be at least thirteen years old. None of that should be where teenagers are expected to access it. I'm a little behind in tech, does TikTok have an adult only/restricted content place?

And personally I think it's a good thing that more women are criticizing common erotic/romance literature tropes and abusive relationship flags. It's all well and good if you seek it out and want to read that, but it feels like the market is currently saturated with dangerous relationship depictions and open criticism provides an alternative voice for readers and an opportunity for authors to explore other options if they so choose.

No. 1959414

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>>1959156
>>1959412
it actually kinda exists already (grumpy tattooed florist x wedding player femc).

>>1959410
not any of those ayrt, but i don't care if adult women read stuff like that because i trust that they have the experience and knowledge to realize that you shouldn't fuck your ap english teacher. young girls don't have this sort of life experience and if their pedo english teacher starts to groom them irl my dark vanessa style they probably won't realize it.

No. 1959415

>>1959414
god modern book covers are so ugly

No. 1959416

>>1959415
idk i like the left one, feels like that sort of faux mod vintage cartoon styles you'd see on some quirky 90s and 00s books. the right one just looks so stiff and lifeless.

No. 1959417

>>1959318
Man I was devastated when I learned that MZB was at best a pedo-enabler. Mists of Avalon was my absolute favourite book as a teenager. I loved its portrayal of female characters and the not-quite paranormal setting. I wanted to be Morgaine so bad
Years later I looked MZB up on wiki and found out about the pedo accusations. It reminded me of one scene from the book that always felt 'off' to me: when Morgaine goes and celebrates Beltane for the first time all of the villagers have sex with eachother in celebration of spring and fertility. Including an old warrior and a 5 year old child who (I'm paraphrasing) "struggles a bit, and then surrenders". I always found it gross but because it was the only line in the book sort of ignored it. But knowing what MZB did to her own daughter I couldn't see that book the same way anymore. I got rid of it(blogging)

No. 1959419

>>1959414
>it actually kinda exists already (grumpy tattooed florist x wedding player femc).
Man, if the fandom trope had been tattooed florist and, like, event planner, I probably would have been all over it. I like the idea of a tattooed florist and violation of expectations. Tattoo artist and florist was just boring old fandom tropes in a new skin.

No. 1959421

>>1959384
>Samantha Shannon
>VE Schwab
>Leigh Bardugo (specifically Ninth House + the sequel)
>A.K. Larkwood
>Robin Hobb
>Fonda Lee
>Marie Brennan
>Megan Whalen Turner
>Tamsyn Muir a bit of a cow but I really like her books still kek
Some might not fit all of your criteria because there's a bit of romance in their books but it's not straight up fantasy romance erotica shit like Sarah J. Maas or Jennifer L. Armentrout

No. 1959422

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>>1959374
>>1959156
I'm pretty sure both are "taking inspiration" from a 2000's Disney movie also with the exact premise.

No. 1959424

>>1959422
The figure skater became a hockey player? Respect for inverting a trope.

No. 1959425

There’s so much weird pearl clutching in this thread. Reading erotic novels with sex in them at a young age is not the same as children being exposed to hardcore graphic porn that is easily accessed by a tiny handheld computer you carry around. More often than not those erotic novels and sex scenes are written by women, and the disgusting graphic porn is being produced by men. The absolute saturation of porn in society is the problem. Women should be allowed to write about sex without having to succumb to writing disgusting kink fetish shit. With that said, the creation the YA genre was a mistake.

No. 1959428

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>>1959417
>Including an old warrior and a 5 year old child who (I'm paraphrasing) "struggles a bit, and then surrenders"

Reminds me of Gabriel Garcia Marquez and One Hundred Years of Incest and Pedophilia. That book gave me such a yucky feeling with the way he describes a prebubescent child cringing from pain and sweating while struggling to fit an adult man's penis inside her already in the first 30 pages. It's crazy to think that this man won a Nobel prize. Another one of his short stories also features a 90+ year old man whose biggest dream is to rape a prepubescent virgin girl child. He's one of the writers I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out was an actual pedophile.

No. 1959429

>>1959425
It really shouldn't be hard to market these novels correctly. I'm imagining the target audience for these romantasy books are women who grew up reading non-sexual YA in the 00s and 10s and, while they still enjoy the same genre, want sex in there as well now. They really should've marketed the New Adult label harder to separate the books for children from the books for womanchildren

No. 1959430

>>1959428
I haven't read his novels. I was excited to read them because I wanna read more classic literature, especially by POC, but then I heard about the content in it. Wtf???

No. 1959432

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>>1959410
>Women should be allowed to write about sex without having to succumb to writing disgusting kink fetish shit
No one would have problems with normal, female gaze type smut, but the problem is that isn't what they're writing. It's almost all degrading, kink heavy, and depicts the female character being brutalized. It wouldn't surprised me if the uptick in women posting shit like picrel unironically and the rise in popularity of these smut books that glorify women suffering pain and humiliation during sex with similar scenarios were related.

No. 1959434

>>1959410
>Erotica writers aren't promoting abuse
How is it not promoting abuse to market a book full of sexualized rape scenes as a normal sexy romance to teen girls? Media does in fact influence society, I don’t know if you’ve noticed. Or are you one of those people who thinks getting off to pedophillic media (especially when spun as a love story)
is fine and it’s totally okay to have those floating around and consumed? Do you deny that it can have a grooming effect on children who see that? And if you don’t deny any of that, then why is it okay to publish porn books about women being abused spun as a love story? Why do you assume it does not play a part in normalizing violence in women’s relationships? Ask yourself why you value women’s well being so little.(derailing)

No. 1959435

>>1959432
And there’s a reason they write this kind of shit. Because porn is so fuck normalized at this point. Let’s be real, these YA novels would not be selling if they didn’t include that kind of pornographic content. Kids can get that on shit on the internet easily.(sage)

No. 1959438

>>1959429
I don’t think they should have been labeled at all or given a distinction between “adult” books. These YA books and novels should have been released into the wild where they would have floundered and faded into obscurity.

No. 1959439

>>1959434
Nayrt but I doubt these authors in their 20s, 30s, and 40s are going, "Oooh, I can't wait for 12 year olds to grab this at Barnes & Nobles and have their first experience reading about sex from my 18+ novel." I would suppose that a lot of authors have little or no control over the marketing of their book, or which shelf it goes on at Target or Walmart. If any anons work in publications or advertisement maybe you can chime in. But I would assume most of these authors just wrote something they enjoy, that they think a few other people will enjoy, and are happy to get it published.
but >>1959403 this is what I mean, for some anons it's not just 'I want TikTok algorithms to be more age-appropriate' or 'I think books should have age restrictions on the cover', it's 'I don't want this written or published or consumed, PERIOD.'
Some anons in this thread give me book-burning vibes.

No. 1959442

>>1959439
But the anon you quoted didn't say anything about not wanting it written or published or consumed? She literally says
>You can read that slop if you want
>no one’s gonna come to your house and burn your porn book
she did say
>But we’re allowed to criticize it
Criticism or voicing concern for young impressionable readers is not saying something cannot be written, or published, or consumed. It's a call for discussion, not censorship.(derailing)

No. 1959447

>>1959442
Sorry, maybe I worded that confusingly. I was directing >>1959403 to >>1959434 's post
>why is it okay to publish porn books about women being abused spun as a love story?
I'm anon defending erotica in this thread. I agree that having more control over the marketing of books or age-restricted TikTok is fair. But I still can't agree with 'I don't want this published ever.'
If this is too derailing I'll stop talking about it. Maybe there needs to be a separate TikTok criticism thread at this point, if there isn't.(derailing)

No. 1959448

>>1959395
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with erotica, it’s just that the erotica being shilled to women on tiktok is fifty shades-tier garbage.

No. 1959452

>>1959447
Why is it not okay to publish books sexualizing the abuse of children, but it is okay to publish books sexualizing the abuse of women? Neither women nor children deserve to have their abuse turned into widely-consumed porn, and both have similar effects on society.

No. 1959454

>>1959434
>marking to teen girls
>grooming effect on children

There's your problem. The problem is not adult women reading erotica, however unsavoury and problematic you might find. The problem is children reading it. This is the only problem worth discussing ITT on the subject. Books should have age restrictions the same way as films and video games do, and the real problem is that any teen girl can pick up an explicit erotica novel from a Target shelf and check it out at the counter with her own money.

As it comes to adult women's wellbeings, you obviously don't care about them at all if you think that they are all impressionable adult retards for whom rose-tinted wish-fulfillment erotic fiction normalizes IRL abusive relationships. Gee, couldn't it be IRL men and the unpunished violence they commit against women every single day that normalizes violence against women? No, it can't be. Someone save those poor brain-dead womenchildren from the big bad terrible books!

There's also something in democratic societies called free speech, sadly. Which means the freedom to express ideas even if they might be uncomfortable, displeasing, disgusting or outright revolting to others. And that covers art too, by the way. Like it or not the right to write or read or not write or not read erotica is protected by your constitution. Because of arguments like yours.

No. 1959458

>>1959432
of course it’s the cod fan who never played cod until she saw some ghost or konig x reader on tumblr

No. 1959459

>>1959454
> As it comes to adult women's wellbeings, you obviously don't care about them at all if you think that they are all impressionable adult retards
Classic libfem strawman. Suggesting that we, all of us, are affected my the media that is promoted around us, is not calling anyone “adult retards.” You sound like the bimbotok women going “I do this for ME I have never been influenced or affected by society or media. I just like to spend 5 hours a day applying makeup and acting like a dumb toddler in high heels and a 2 inch skirt for ME.”(derailing)

No. 1959460

>>1959452
It's okay for two adults in a healthy consensual relationship to be behind closed doors and wear leashes, hit each other, call each other dirty names, pull on hair with proper safety put into place. No, it's not for everyone, but do plenty of adults in happy, functional relationships do weird things in private? Yes.
It will never be okay to engage in sexual relationships with a child.
That being said, I don't think there are any mainstream books or erotica that glorify actual child abuse?
Most mainstream books I've seen that feature child abuse (e.g. My Dark Vanessa) portray it as a tragedy, or cautionary tale.
You couuuuld argue that in Twilight, a 100+ year old vampire gets with a 17 year old girl or whatever, but that one clearly has an unrealistic setup, where the vampire has a young adult's body and, for whatever reason, wants to enroll in high school.
I guess one anon >>1959428 pointed out this author, who I haven't personally read. I think it's disgusting, but rather than un-personing this author or pretending the book never existed, I feel it'd be better to talk critically about the themes of children and perhaps stop shilling it as a 'classic.'(derailing about bdsm)

No. 1959461

>>1959460
Oh, okay, you’re a BDSMfag who thinks it’s okay for men to hit women for sexual pleasure. This retarded argument of yours makes a lot more sense now in this context. I hope you seek help someday.(derailing/infighting)

No. 1959464

>>1959461
Thanks for the well wishes, ad hominen-chan.(derailing/infighting)

No. 1959465

>>1959460
>It's okay for two adults in a healthy consensual relationship to be behind closed doors and wear leashes, hit each other, call each other dirty names, pull on hair with proper safety put into place. No, it's not for everyone, but do plenty of adults in happy, functional relationships do weird things in private? Yes.
Okay. Back to twitter(derailing/infighting)

No. 1959467

>>1959460
We don't condone bdsmfaggotry here. But more relevant to the thread, most bdsm/kink activities that occur in current literature are neither healthy nor consensual like your hypothetical irl adults.

No. 1959468

This thread should be for discussing cows, not for discussing books/literature in general and definitely not for infighting about BDSM. Any further derailing past this point will get 3x the normal ban length. This thread has potential, don't run it into the ground on its first day by being retarded.

No. 1959469

>>1959468
From the bottom of my heart, thank you farmhand.

No. 1959470

>>1959468
OP here, thank you so much. This isn't what I wanted for this thread.
Let's talk about Xiran's Hugo meltdown, nonnies!

No. 1959478

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To bring the thread back on topic, no author cow thread can go without the OG author cow - Anne Rice. May she rest in peace.

She must be shaking in her grave though at the AMC adaptation of Interview with the vampire. Lestat and Louis were her and her husband's self inserts and she was staunchly against the idea that either of them was gay despite the book being basically about a homosexual couple adopting a child. She also harassed, threatened and doxxed fanfiction writers all throughout her career. Hilarious when you think the new series is everything she would have hated, they could only make it when she was dead.

No. 1959485

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All of this BookTok and twitter shit is so exhausting just to read about, I'm shocked that these people actually have the energy to participate in this constant dramamongering.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost miss the days when Goodreads and book blogs were ground-zero for nearly all of the drama within this community. Case in point: remember when YA author Kathleen Hale lost her mind over a bad Goodreads review to the point that she showed up on the front doorstep of the poor woman who wrote it?
Sage b/c this milk is ancient by now.

No. 1959486

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Small reminder that Xiran used a TIF's death to shit against J.K. Rowling because… reasons?

No. 1959489

>>1959486
>received hate for stance on HP
holy projection from the people who were harassing everyone who dared play the HP game.

No. 1959490

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>>1959489
And the game was released last year, but the tif said bad stuff against Rowling.

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No. 1959492

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>>1959491
Dunno, I would be pissed off if a Jane Doe that barely knew my familiar/relative is using her death for brownie reasons to shit against a quite known author.

No. 1959497

>>1959485
>Kathleen Hale
That reminds me, we have a dead author cows thread
>>>/snow/516563

No. 1959526

>>1959497
>Cassandra Clare
What blast from the past. I need to catch up on her and see what she's been up to

No. 1959530

>>1959478
I always found it highly ironic she hated fanfiction when she has an entire series that's based on sleeping beauty except her way of making it "transformative" was turning it into a somnophilia and sex slave erotica series. I think her fanfiction hatred was exclusively a hatred of fujos kek. Shouldn't have made an obvious romance book that even Tom Cruise could see the gay in to enjoy if she couldn't handle stuff less haram than her own works. May the fujos now enjoy their shipping in peace

No. 1959540

>>1959478
Damn I didn't even realize she was dead until this

No. 1959570

>>1959430
I'm taking the ban for this but damn bitch you're retarded as fuck for referring to any non-white author as a "POC". You need to be at least 18 to post here.(infighting)

No. 1959573

>>1959395
It's not really hard to understand than some women feel super uncomfortable with the idea of BDSM abusive relationships becoming normalized. Its insane how these pickme novels took over the romance genre to the point finding anything that isnt thinly veiled BDSM trash is nearly impossible.(continuing derailing about bdsm)

No. 1959597

>>1959470
spoonfeed request? was it because she critisized china or something?

No. 1959600

>>1959597
nvm, figured it out myself. for those reading this and also wondering: no given reason, but likely because of being very vocal about palestine.(stop asking to be spoonfed, lurk more, and stop doubleposting)

No. 1959608

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>>1959373
it's mostly about consoom. the books have special editions, merch out the wazoo, commissioned art of the characters, they get sent to reviewers with boxes of goodies so they can do unboxing videos.
there's virtually no difference with influencers shilling make-up or whatever, the books are just another commodity. so yeah some people will just pull quotes to shill the book wiyhout having actually read it, much like an influencer will make video praising some product she doesn't actually use, just bc she got paid to do that.

>do people actuallly read them?

sometimes, but it's basically just instant gratification. people don't care about any kind of deeper message or motifs or character arcs or even just the writing style. the reviews are simply just 'this character is so hot and when he did xyz that it so cool!" and "omg it has bisexuals!". usually talking about the characters are real.
the books are little more than a collection of tropes strung together. and people look for their fave trope like "enemy to lovers" he way you'd look for it on ao3. the authors themselves advertise the book that wway, picrel.
not that here's anything wrong with a quick pleaseure read, but fans and most of the authors take thmselves extremely seriously. they will attack anyone who questions whether their favourite slop has any literary value.
>>1959374
honestly it seems increasingly like the very worst of fanfic is bleeding onto regular literature.

No. 1959611

Forgive me if this is mini modding but at this point, I wonder if it'd be best to make a Romance Critical thread in /m/ or somewhere to continue the conversation on romance tropes or Booktok elsewhere.
(I'm too smooth brained to be trusted with making a thread)
This is /snow/ after all, I think OP was intending to discuss specific instances of authors being lolcows.

No. 1959613

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>>1959285
found this summary about cj piper's drama: https://twitter.com/mynameismarines/status/1614661415297581057
picrel is especilly telling. if you review anything critically you're a terribble person who refiuses to experience joy. they're clearly not used to any actual reviews, just stans and paid shills. didn't get the memo that when you get actually published there's such a thing as literary criticism

No. 1959627

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speaking of authors, Harlan Ellison though not a rapist, had a reputation for being a violence and vindictive man who would form of personal vendettas against people who slighted him. Here's an example, he got expelled from college after punching a professor who had told him he'd never amount to anything. Afterwards, he found fame in writing. He would send that professor a copy of every single story he published and let him know how much money he earned from it. He would also help minority creators (most famously, Octavia Butler) get their footing in the literary scene. However, he would call people slurs in the middle of a conversation if he was angry enough.

No. 1959642

>>1959570
Can someone spoonfeed me on why it's bad to call authors poc?

No. 1959643

>>1959428
This book is my personal purgatory. The prose is beautiful and captures such a unique sense of magical realism but every time I get into the swing of it there has to be a scene of a grown man having sex with a prepubescent girl or sex between adopted siblings or an eleven year old dying due to pregnancy complications. If any nonnas out there are really reallyyyy wanting to get into the modern classics, it is engrossing at times but the scenes described above are written in graphic detail. YMMV. Bonus ick points for how this book is part of the canon of works that inspired Encanto.

No. 1959650

>>1959490
Outside of everything about this in general, what does that org even do? I always feel like I hear about how you should donate to it, but never what they actually do with those donations.

No. 1959664

>>1959613
This is what happens when fanfic writers who grew up on Tumblr go out and become actually published writers, kek. They can't handle any criticism or actual, thought-out review of their work without thinking they're all in bad faith and immediately throwing themselves to the ground in a tantrum. Which to give her some credit, is indeed the culture that tumblr/twitter cultivated when it comes to fandom works and the authors/artists that make them.

Cassandra Clare who is another noted fanfic writer and thief was another cow who couldn't handle any sort of criticism without calling it harassment, for instance.

No. 1959668

>>1959613
Piper CJ is also a tiktok self diagnosed “autistic” so make of that what you will topkek that’s part of why she “can’t be criticized” because it will hurt her autistic feelings and she can’t process it or some bullshit. She’s clearly a faker. she has mad pillow face now too kek

No. 1959685

>>1959252
I can't help but feel schadenfreude over Axiom's End getting bad reviews because Ellis comes off as incredibly smug and know-it-all in her videos.

No. 1959689

>>1959252
her third book is coming out this summer lmao. i honestly can't understand people who even consider reading books by youtubers, or any kind of online influencers really, it's such an innately unserious "occupation" so shit quality writing and overall cringey nonsense is basically gauranteed.

No. 1959693

>>1959642
that anon was being overly aggressive and exaggerated. It's worth keeping in mind that poc term originated in United States and non-Americans might not use or like the term. But in a conversation like this no one but an asshole is going to come for you for using the term.

No. 1959695

>>1959642
nta but it feels condescending. Not everyone from latam is brown kek.

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>>1959613
Reminds me of this post on IG last year from indie author KC Smith seething over bad reviews kek. These authors are so fragile that anything less than 3/5 stars for their shitty kindle unlimited books on goodreads is a hit to their ego. It's always terrible authors who get pissed over goodreads anyway, you rarely ever see accomplished authors mention reviews unless they got a starred review somewhere.

No. 1959703

>>1959696
megakek. goodreads users are retarded but this childish fragility is pure gold. it's like she's trying to enforce some kind of preschool rules to book reviewing - everyone gets a participation medal no matter their performance and don't say anything negative ever

No. 1959708

>>1959207
Smut bookd are very funny, I know exactly who buys them irl from life experience and it's entirely middle-aged women with dead bedrooms. Teenage girls makes sense too, the common denominator is never actually having sex irl. So it seems very wild and interesting to them.

No. 1959709

>>1959235
>It's important we have romance books that don't promote or encourage rape culture, kinks
I have bad news for you about 100% of romance books anon

No. 1959710

>>1959242
Oh wow this person seems so rude and insufferable. They're telling their editor to hurry when they've already done 90k(!) edits and there is no possibility of it being released this year anyway, seems like they just enjoy bullying and being petty. So unprofessional to actually Tweet this shit publicly for your readers to see?

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JD barker (a nyt best selling author) sent emails to a bunch young female booktokers asking them to make suggestive/sexual videos to promote his new book

No. 1959715

>>1959428
God that's revolting, that book is considered a modern classic/recommended read and all that shit, I had no idea.

No. 1959718

>>1959696
Nonas have you ever NOT read a book due to low star reviews? Seeing how erotica books (as previously discussed in the thread lol) all get popular and good reviews has made me not trust them. Book reviews online to me is like being a fan of any music genre that isn't pop and turning on the radio to find music you like; all you'll get is the most generic pop. It's perhaps not straight up terrible but it's all shallow and not what you wanted.

No. 1959720

>>1959713
Oh my god ew… I wish I could say I was even slightly surprised, also men should never write erotica of any kind. They suck at it. At least there are some women who write it well even if they’re all hiding in obscure pairings on ao3

No. 1959721

>>1959439
> I would suppose that a lot of authors have little or no control over the marketing of their book, or which shelf it goes on at Target or Walmart. If any anons work in publications or advertisement maybe you can chime in. But I would assume most of these authors just wrote something they enjoy, that they think a few other people will enjoy, and are happy to get it published.
In a supermarket the books are just randomly displayed by bestelling, but in terms of authors and publishers, books are written (and categorised) for specific age groups and genres, so the writer has the section it will end up in a bookshop or library in mind while writing the book.
The publisher edits, chooses cover and the manner it's advertised. YA books traditionally were not porny and just had a little romance. Adult books are a free for all but if you're writing adult fiction the author definitely doesn't envision children reading it, and in a bookstore or library kids shouldn't be browsing those sections. Ordering online changes that significantly, which I think explains the rise in inappropriate audiences reading tiktok trending smut, as documented ITT above.

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>>1959710
She posted it on her own about it, no one is telling her to relax and not being petty, most of the fans are telling her "this sucks" and "seek for another editorial".

Have someone post her? A NLOG author whose first book is about killing nazis (but communist characters are fine! Stalin sending people to the Gulag? no sense!), doesn't shut up about the Palestine-Israel conflict, her books are mostly about NB/Trans stuff and is having a GFM for top surgery because she can't stand her body remind her she's a woman (her words in her GFM).

No. 1959723

It's been too long so I can't rememeber the name of the book, but when I was 11 years old my middle aged female teacher made the whole class read a book in which a 14 year old homeless girl has sex (with a teen boy who was addicted to sniffing glue), gets pregnant, and then she loses the baby due to a fat man kicking her in the belly so she has a miscarriage in the dirty street. It still haunts me to this day, why did she think that was necessary for us all to read that? It wasn't the only fucked up book she made us read either.(blogpost)

No. 1959726

>>1959718
>Nonas have you ever NOT read a book due to low star reviews?
Of course. Who hasn't. I'll read a few of the first reviews on the list and then go to the 1 star and 2 star reviews to see what the actual problems are with the book. And if the problems are issues I can't stand, I don't read the book.
>In a supermarket the books are just randomly displayed by bestelling
Publishers pay more to get books to be placed with the cover visible instead of just the spine and I think to get on endcaps.

No. 1959734

>>1959718
>Nonas have you ever NOT read a book due to low star reviews?
I usually always look at reviews first before deciding to waste my time and/or money kek. I just saved myself $30 the other day reading the reviews for a book I was going to buy while I was out shopping because the reviews on it were all terrible. I always read the 1 and 2-star reviews because that's where people are usually more honest about the contents of the book. 5-star reviews are usually useless unless the person goes in-depth—most of the time it's just fans of the author kissing their ass though so they aren't very objective kek

No. 1959736

>>1959713
>suggestions included posing nude with his book, asking them to talk about where they've had sex, etc.
>proceeds to tell the girls not to post the videos, but to send them to him privately first "to be reviewed"
>said author is married to top it all off
Fucking vile pig, I hope his publisher drops him over this

No. 1959742

>>1959736
That part was what really got me. Scrotes stay fucking losing. I hope his wife publicly divorces him, he’s disgusting for this.

No. 1959746

>>1959713
How are you >>1959736 going to add an entire update and not include screencaps. This is all over tiktok, it's not that hard to include an entire vid.

The vid says after people expressed their outrage, he said the emails were sent by a pr company not him. But he founded the pr company and didn't mention that.

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Someone updated JD Barker's wikipedia page today to include this controversy kek. How long before he or his PR company tries to get this scrubbed? I archived it on wayback machine so there's a record of this incident if it does get deleted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Barker

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>>1959742
It gets worse, he also has a daughter. I wonder how he'd feel if his daughter received an email from a fellow geriatric scrote author wanting nude videos of her for a measly $100 to promote his book with

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>>1959746
>>1959736
>>1959713
>>1959752

>>1959750
>How long before he or his PR company tries to get this scrubbed?
He founded the his pr firm so they are probably trying to get it scrubbed right now.
This is a picture of him. He looks exactly like the kind of guy who would do something like this.

No. 1959770

>>1959422
>>1959412
Neither of the examples you gave were love stories set in college, and neither had the distinctly post-internet-YA-fanfic-vibe that Icebreakers and Check Please both have (though the latter at least attempts to have themes and isn't full of gag-inducing poorly written sex scenes.) We're not talking about major studio projects here, we're talking about things propelled by word-of-mouth on the internet.

No. 1959772

>>1959430
He's a moid raised in a culture and time period where women were treated like shit. What did you expect?

No. 1959774

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>>1959722
The user she's replying to is a Metis, so imagine being a white woman telling to a Native person "please remove my uterus" while ignoring the problems that Native people had to endure.

No. 1959783

>>1959718
I read the reviews. If it's one-starred from endless retarded posturing then I'll read the book because anything that makes trannies and their supporters seethe is worth checking out. If there are actual issues with the book like shit writing or badly-developed characters, I'll give it a miss. I tend to steer clear of anything that's trending because it's probably shit.

No. 1959803

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My guilty pleasure are Sarah J. Maas's books and I have a personal book community cow, meet Yazthebookish:

>Obsessed shipper who has spent at least two thousand dollars or more in comissions of her ship (Gwyn x Azriel)

Honestly this is the more egregious and insane part to me, every week or so Yaz comes out with a new 100$ or more art piece that she has comissioned, usually gwynriel but sometimes other SJM related chracters, it borders on wonderbread guy.
>Regularly looks up her own name on twitter, screenshots and threatens people who talk shit about her (the gwynriels will get you!!)
>Unofficially powermods the acotar subreddits,trashes everyone that doesn't agree with her ship and theories
>Edited the acotar wiki so much the pages of the character getting in the way of her ship (Elain) and the love interest (Azriel) had to be locked.

She hasn't been very active for a while but with the new Crescent City book, heavily featuring Azriel, coming out next week I think i'td be good to keep an eye out on her for milk, bookofmirth is also another tumblr user with some of the same unhinged behavior.

No. 1959807

>>1959803
what her fan-casts?

No. 1959811

>>1959803
>29 yrs old getting into ship wars
this is embarrassing

No. 1959851

>>1959754
You know there's a problem with moids when they walk around thinking they're hot shit while they look like Snape's bloated corpse.

No. 1959852

>>1959811
And allegedly on group chats with minors no less. These terminally online failadults obsessed with shittalking and complaining get cancelled by their peers eventually, with that tidbit there she's just begging for it kek

No. 1959888

>>1959478
>she was staunchly against the idea that either of them was gay despite the book being basically about a homosexual couple adopting a child
This isn't true at all. She was open about the fact that Lestat and Louis were bisexual, and was generally on good terms with the gay community before Tumblr came along. She left the Catholic church in support of her son Christopher after he came out to her. He's in charge of the IP now, and he's very respectful of her work and wishes. The AMC show was written out and well into production by the time she died, and Christopher has been involved in the project.

Most of the horror stories you hear about her are true, but she wasn't homophobic. She would not be "rolling in her grave" at how overtly gay the show was, I assure you. Lestat and Louis are referred to as "blood spouses" in the books and kiss on the mouth several times.

No. 1959893

>>1959642
This isn't Twitter, that's why. It's not "bad," it's just newfag behavior. Learn2integrate.

No. 1959933

>>1959428
ust your description alone is fucking horrific. My day is actually ruined. How could anyone read a detailed 30 page depiction of that and go on to praise and nominate this lowlife slug?
>>1959608
>Am I God or is it ADHD?
I see this and I am never touching your book. This is such an insufferable line on its own. I also like the author trying to set herself apart from the the peasant booktok authors that pitch their book by naming the geneeeeric fanfiction-like tropes as opposed to….pitching your book with tropes (except they're just unconventional?). And who the fuck would want to read about lesbian griffins? Aren't those animal-like creatures??

No. 1959942

>>1959425
I heavily disagree with you, I started reading smut at 11 and started looking up more into said characters and got in a rabbit hole of finding "roleplay". It's fairly easy to get worse if you're joining fandom spaces and not, because the "roleplaying" for me ended up me getting groomed. I can easily tell you that this happens a lot in "roleplaying" communities like Amino, most of these underaged kids start off by fictions or reading, and it gets worse from there. There's a lot of grooming in these kinds of communities sadly.(blogpost)

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>>1959428
>It's crazy to think that this man won a Nobel prize.

Same with Pablo Neruda: Wrote the most beautiful poems and won a Nobel prize, but was known for beating his wife and ignored his disabled daughter.

And ugh One Hundred Years of Solitude, where incest, pedophilia and talking with the dead was fine, but ice??? That's new.

No. 1959992

>>1959722
Ugh, Tacchi. Was my personal cow for a while. At some point her licking the boots of american culture stopped being entertaining and was just sad

No. 1960050

>>1959992
Color me surprised she licked the boots of American culture. I always thought she was ACAB and Facist against USA.

No. 1960183

>>1959120
It's the self righteousness for me tbh(sage your shit)

No. 1960185

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Why do people write such horrid books with Gods/Deities from the Ilad, but "with our touch"? Do they think Greek do not take their history seriously or something?(derailing)

No. 1960191

>>1960185
>with our touch
Projected "muh gender dysphoria"
Sexualization of gender norms
Fujo bullshit(derailing)

No. 1960193

>>1960185
It's not cultural appropriation to these people if it's against "white" people like the Greeks.(derailing)

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>>1960193
Xiran: Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer, which is cool.

Of course is cool for you, no one is making Mulan a trans Black woman in USA.

No. 1960219

>>1960185
All these tropes and I'm seeing nothing about an intriguing plot I'd want to read. Nothing about character motives, quests, impending catastrophies, just inconsequential character facts and condensing any potentially interesting plot point into a generic summary (found family?). I was listening to a lecture from Brandon Sanderson, recorded 7 years ago and he mentioned to never pitch your book with "x but make it y" which is what a lot of Booktok authors are doing. Similarly, I can't imagine the fit he'd have if he saw the fanfic marketing trope tactic.(derailing)

No. 1960226

>>1960185
What aggravates me most about the AAP obsession with Achilles is that they fail to understand his character on the most fundamental level. He's a selfish prick who puts his pride before the lives of his allies. Basically, Agamemnon insulted Achilles' honor by kidnapping Briseis, a slave whom Achilles had "won" in battle. Achilles throws a hissy fit and tells his army to sit around and do nothing while the other Greeks are losing the war. Achilles still refuses to fight, but eventually allows Patroclus to pretend to be him and lead the Myrmidons against Troy. Patroclus defeats Sarpedon, but is killed by Hector and Achilles goes apeshit. He personally kills a shitload of people, including Hector, whose corpse he desecrates. By the way, it's sometimes argued that Hector is the real hero of the Iliad because he was a level-headed family man; he wanted to make a peace agreement, but Achilles just killed him.

I don't doubt that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Even Shakespeare viewed them that way. But Achilles was not noble, we was not a soft gay boi uwu. He knocked a girl up (when he was in drag on a female-only island no less) and abandoned her, screwed up the seige of Troy over his fight with Agamemnon, and went on a killing spree when he indirectly caused Patroclus's death. Also his son grew up to be an even worse murderous psycho who murdered Hector's young son in front of his wife. Achilles is a douchebag, that's what makes him an interesting character. But Tumblr Iliad fanfic like that book completely strips him of those qualities and woobifies him.

Also most of the characters in the Iliad aren't gods. Achilles is only part god; his mom is a nymph and his great-grandmother on his dad's side is a half-human daughter of Zeus. Same goes for Patroclus; he's mostly human, but Zeus is his great-grandfather. A lot of these heroes are indirectly related to Zeus because he stuck his dick in everything, but they aren't gods in the traditional sense.

>>1960193
Don't stoop to their level. Cultural appropriation is a retarded concept in general.

>>1960195
Mulan was a real person, Hades isn't. Hope that helps.(derailing)

No. 1960229

>>1959942
Ma'am this is an Arby's(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 1960252

>>1960226
>Mulan was a real person
We don't have any proof of that, Mulan's character was mentioned first in a chinese ballad. She was only ever mentioned in legends, never in actually historical text.(derailing)

No. 1960278

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I'm going through reviews on past Illumicrate/Fairyloot/Owlcrate books and posting some of the more retarded ones to see if that gets the thread back on track. Sage for not milk but it does show how you can never fucking win with these cows, both the authors and readers get butthurt over the most retarded non-issues imaginable.
Picrel is a snippet of a review that's probably longer than the book itself.

No. 1960281

>>1960278
I can't understand why people even bother pandering to these retards!

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No. 1960326

>>1960288
the people complaining about this non-issue were literally bigger cows than Klune himself. He said he was inspired by real history but said he didn't want to really make a parallel or analogy for that event since its not his story to tell and people went ape shit.

Honestly I think people were just frothing at the mouth because someone said "indigenous." If you read the books its more like "whimsical X-men" than anything that actually happened in Canada back then. The only similarity was that there are some kids in an orphanage.

No. 1960370

>>1960285
>reeeee all the randomly changing pronouns made this hard to understand
Kek do thembies think that doesn't apply to real life

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Some TIM literature from the MTF thread.

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Another day another mediocre author (or in this case it's an aspiring author who has completely tanked any chance at getting an agent) demanding no one rate any book lower than 3-stars. She deleted her account and went into hiding after getting heat from booktok because she said that anyone who rates a book 3-stars or less is an asshole because of how hard it is to write a book.

Idk how or why people with such thin skin decide they want to become authors and work in publishing when it inevitably entails someone not liking your work. Also 120K words in 3-4 months and a story that revolves around tropes definitely screams 5-star quality kek

No. 1960437

>>1960295
All that whinging actually kind of makes me want to read the book. Like, it critiques the biology-based oppression of women and is a story about gay characters with apparently no trannies present? In current year? Sounds refreshing.

No. 1960444

>>1960289
>disclaimer: I completely agree that dark magic is haram
amazing

No. 1960446

>>1960285
>a plot more baffling than Dune
How to reveal your opinion should be immediately discarded kek, I love when they tell on themselves

No. 1960457

>>1960377
Isn't this how inflation works? lol

No. 1960464

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Leaving this review of Manhunt by Gretchen Felker-Martin, which explains way better the book so you don't have to touch it.

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>>1960377
it's incredible how many of these authors are totally incapable of taking any criticism. Colleen Hoover is probably the best selling author in these circles and she still goes "uwu i din't listen to the haters bc my books sell well"
none of them understand that literary critique isn't for the authors, it's not meant to personally upset them, it's not gratuitous hate. it's for the readers.
i guess it's another symptome of the fanfic-isation of literature, the "don't like don't read!!1!" attitude. it's ok when you're a 12 year old writing songfics, not as a professional author. inability to stand criticism is a lolcow trait.

No. 1960522

>>1960377
What does she think this is, 6th grade art class? The amount of time you invest in something does not automatically entitle you to a proportionate amount of asspats. I hate to sound like a boomer, but this is the behavior of someone who was given too many participation trophies as a kid.

No. 1960526

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Xiran might be self-posting, unless someone's trying to make her look bad. First post in >>>/m/350837 then reposted >>>/snow/1958655 is a screenshot of her Twitter profile with 'Edit Profile' visible. Maybe that's why she went to the offtopic board first and tried to use cow-related language. Repost of screenshot provided since hover doesn't work across threads for me.

No. 1960527

>>1960457
That's exactly what it is, funnily enough. Goodreads ratings are so terribly inflated that a book having an average rating below about 3.5 stars would be remarkably bad. 2-star and 1-star averages are practically unheard of unless the book is a.) obscure as hell, b.) being review-bombed due to some kind of vendetta against the author, or c.) both. It's really disingenuous, and it just makes things more difficult for the reader.

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>>1960464
Muriel, if you're reading this

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>>1960526
Holy fucking shit you might be right. I don't think it was someone else pretending to be her since there would be no point to pretend if you're not gonna change any of the text on the profile. The text on her profile is still the same right now.

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>>1960526
>>1960531
It's possible, but it's more likely an anon just saved a screencap Xiran herself posted a day before it was posted here (the first mention in the /m/ thread is on the 23rd).

No. 1960539

>>1960535
Good point. Most lulzy possibility is that Xiran just uploaded the same screenshot three times.

No. 1960543

>>1960535
I'm the anon who posted the screen cap initially, can confirm that I just saved xiran's screen cap because I was lazy, kek.

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>>1959696
Eliza Clark, the author of Boy Parts apparently publicly seethed over a negative review of her book. The original review was silly (unlikable narrator was problematic?? no way) but it's so embarrassing to complain publicly about a one star review from a random person on goodreads, basically just telling on yourself that your writing is shit

No. 1960557

>>1959627
love his stuff, a life long prolific writer with an eye for taste, they could never make em hate you

No. 1960559

>>1959627
He also groped Connie Willis, another author, "as a joke" during an award show

No. 1960562

>>1960285
>>1960278
i will make sure to ignore freaks like this for my writing(blog)

No. 1960564

>>1960287
you'd think these chicks have mirrors at home

No. 1960566

>>1960289
honestly, i don't think hijabis should be included in western fiction. no matter who writes us, we are always treated as walking representations of a 1400 year old religion and never just people born into Islam. I've never seen a well-written hijabi charter so I don't think people should even bother trying anymore

No. 1960570

>>1960295
>IDEOLOGICALLY BRITISH

I know what to write this year(blog)

No. 1960574

>>1960464
I'm glad she mentioned the weird lust/hate for white women. It's so blatant in a lot of these works and rarely talked about(posting 5 times in a row, blogposting, newfaggotry)

No. 1960593

>>1960288
>imagine if someone used the holocaust or slavery
Doesn't that happen a lot? Especially in fantasy or cyberpunk stories? I know the Detroit become human game had both in a very heavy handed way (including actual camps for the robot people)

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>>1960506
funnily enough the woman in this video claims that if you like colleen hoover, you'll like the book she's working on. guess we know where she gets this attitude now KEK

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xiran got served legal papers by her publisher because they're intending to sue her for damages after her twitter escapades the other day >>1959242

KEK say bye bye to your publishing career xiran

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>>1960692
She must be such a pleasant person to work with. I saw her book in an "anticipated upcoming books 2024" list on Goodreads and it had a really stupid "omg look at her quirky profile pic!!" line (which is the same as her Twitter pfp), as if anyone cares.

No. 1960699

>>1960692
maybe she will learn and grow as a person from this experience but probably not

No. 1960708

>>1960699
Absolutely not, she’ll see herself as having done activism. You don’t understand Nona, the Palestinians are dying and theyNEED people to be on twitter all day to save them

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I’m confident this isn’t true.

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>>1960692
Oh my GOD how is she not seeing that her tweeting is the problem here?? Surely this should be a wakeup call to step away from the keyboard for a little, why is she still livetweeting this whole thing?

No. 1960717

>>1960716
she's put herself in a bind. if she stops tweeting about the conflict now, she'll be a hypocrite in the eyes of her sjw fanbase (the only people who buy her shit books) but if she keeps tweeting, publishers will drop her. she's put herself in a lose-lose situation because of her own retardation and inability to understand her actions have consequences.

No. 1960718

>>1960713
It's hilarious that she's so addicted to the attention she gets online from her fans that she keeps posting about this situation not realizing that her publisher and their legal team are definitely documenting it all and can use her tweets about being served as proof that she's further damaging their image/causing financial losses. What a moron, it's too bad her fans are eating up the "my publisher is punishing me for speaking out about Palestine!" angle she's going for when in reality airing out her beef online and mobilizing her fans to harass her publisher is what's caused her to get sued

No. 1960722

>>1960713
That hole she's digging will reap boundless fruit any day now.

No. 1960724

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I have recently finished the witcher series and while i enjoyed (most of) it, am I alone in thinking the police should take look at sapkowski's hardrive

>older man and young woman/underage girl relationships/sex constantly appears

>lots of rape (mostly just mentioned not explicitly written however some are), including underage girls
>when written from female characters' perspectives (who are often young women/underage) these characters are almost always super horny and want to bang older men
>nearly everyone wants to bang/rape ciri (even women)

i mean its clear he has a fetish for young woman/girl and older man otherwise why would it appear in nearly every single book
i honestly think he might be a pedo, like a 14 year old getting pregnant by a 30 something is just really creepy and rings some alarm bells, i mean who writes that

No. 1960725

>>1960724
I often wonder if contemporary moid authors are capable of writing books without feeling the need to insert their wank fantasies into it.

No. 1960727

>>1960692
>>1960713
Jfc she just keeps digging herself deeper. She's sabotaging her own career at this point, all because she's too proud to just take an L and move on.

No. 1960728

>>1960717
She could always just lie and claim that she needs to take a break from Twitter because of Nazi harassment or whatever. But she's just too proud.

No. 1960729

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>>1959627
Not really cow-ish but Alice Sheldon was quite a something, she was a sci-fi short story writer who came from an old money intellectual family, she served in WW2 as an intelligence officer and met her husband Huntington Sheldon (who would later become the director of the CIA) after being discharged she started writing and used a male psedyunomyn and most of her stories often featured how horrible men and male society were like, all the while she was being praised for it by male authors and fans for talking about the "dark side of humanity" and also praised for her realism cause of her military experience.
Both she and her husband had numerous affairs. She liked the idea of women but didn't have sexual relationships with them, instead she had "intellectual crushes" on them. Despite everything, they genuinely liked each other and decided not to have children. When her husband went blind, they made the decision to enter into a suicide pact so that neither would have to mourn the other. years later, she confided in her attorney, wrote a will and testament, shot her husband, and then herself. They were found hand in hand in their bed, with their brains blown out. It was a very strange relationship

No. 1960731

>>1960725
this was my biggest problem with the witcher (and modern fantasy in general) as it really doesnt contribute anything to the plot, it just makes me really anxious and disgusted
inb4 'books are meant to make your feel emotions' i want to read for enjoyment and get away from the horrors of the world not end up fearfully turning everypage wondering when the next rape is going to heappen

i think scrote authors use rape far too much to say 'look how dark and edgy this setting is' and as a cheap way to get you to hate characters

No. 1960738

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>>1960724
>>1960731
oh whilst on the subject of male authors and rape

Youtuber shad form shadiversity (who probably deserves a whole lolcow thread to himself) wrote a book and it was criticised for generally poor writing and how it handled rape

i havent read the book myself but this is what has been said about it
>the book is about bascially fantasy hitler/stalin who is a dictator, rapist, pedophile, and mass murderer who then rather than dying suddenly gains a second chance to right his wrongs… by killing people, but hey aleast he is remorseful now right, oh no he still has anger issues and is a massive arrogant dick to people
>a female character who was raped as a virigin deals, with this by becoming a slut who sleeps around as much as she can
>a line in the book says that rape is evil but hey at least some women get a child out of it so there is always a silver lining

No. 1960739

>>1960738
This is the AI supergirl guy?

No. 1960741

>>1960739
yes it is
he considers himself a great artist and author, despite the fact he only uses ai for his art and has written one book
his brother is a professional artist youtuber called jazza, and he claims his ai art is equal (if not better) to his brother's

No. 1960748

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>>1960692
>>1960713
The American editorials that rejected the idea to publish Iron Widow until the Canadian one did it:

No. 1960751

>>1960724
Sapkowski is a mega-cow. It's a shame the universe that he created is sadly required reading to play The Witcher 3. Some of the stuff in the book series especially in the short stories was one of the most misogynistic, incel-tier writing I've ever read. Even the Ciri business with the rapist lesbian towards the end pissed me off so bad, it's a blessing CDPR fixed the storyline and you get the choice in tw3 to say it was all a dumb mistake.

But it's not the only thing CDPR fixed about his writing either. Spoiler for the books Ciri's father (and another guy) wants to impregnate her and even marries a lookalike he passes off as Ciri, who I think is even younger than Ciri at around 12 or 14, so he can swap her with the real one when he captures her and make her his wife/impregnate her. CDPR completely retcons this and the only mention of this other girl is in a very short note at the end of the game and for that they're based. They also retconned the fact that the promised one or whatever wasn't Ciri but Ciri's child (hence everyone wanting to impregnate her) to it being Ciri herself, which was an enormous QoL improvement.

On the other hand the witcher books are so misogynistic when it comes to the sorceresses that it wraps around and manages to make them very compelling characters, surprisingly. Like they are such comically "evil" women in this mind of this incel Yennefer's "a beautiful woman with the cold eyes of an ugly woman" towards the middle of the story they actually become strong female characters with real agency, ambition and personal agenda. Sometimes. Triss and her diarrhea scene exempted.

No. 1960752

>>1960729
she would definitely be a farmer if she were alive today

No. 1960753

>>1960738
There are a few take downs of shad's book, Shadow of the Conqueror, on youtube. The best one is this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgRrrmX8aUk, because it details all the horrible, sadistic, misogynistic, marysue bullshit in the book, but it's 3 hours, and I figure most you don't have time for that. So, here's one that's 20 minutes that gives the 'highlights'.

No. 1960756

>>1960692
This retard really did this. Holy shit, I know we were speculating but I didn't think it would happen this quickly. I can't stop laughing

No. 1960757

>>1960724
>>1960751
he owes a lot to the games, the total game sales are over 75 million, the total book sales are over 15 million, how many book sales were because of the game?
he sold the game rights cheap as he thought video games were stupid (he still does), when the devs asked him for help on the first game he wrote them a nasty email about how he doesnt care and wont help (they actually put parts of it in the game in an ingame letter as a joke lol)
he then tried to sue when the games became super successful and it was settled out of court
he claims the games irreparably harmed his sales as 'serious fantasty readers now ignore it' and he says it gets put in the video game section of bookshops
didnt really care about date continuity, with some stories taking place 10 years before datewise but characters refered to them as happenning 15 years before, stuff like that
didnt have map for the setting or any geogrphic consitency, cd project red had to make one for the first game based on some loose sketches by one of the international translators of the books
he also wrote a midquel/sidequel 6 years after the first game came out that deliberatly contradicts the games canon as a fuck you, cd project red then incorporated it into the third one as a fuck you too

>not the only thing CDPR fixed

i also like how they did actually make some female characters older than they should be due to 'the above time inconsistencies'(lolcow.farm/info)

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>>1960756
By one hand they have this Canadian writer supporting Palestine, by other hand they have this Zionist writer.

Tundra books, not even once.

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>>1960713
Seems like she's realizing she's fucking up

No. 1960760

>>1960692
I can't imagine being this internet poisoned that you post that your publisher are serving you papers for the shit you write about them on public Twitter under your author name (I assume this falls under reputation destruction/slander) and you still think you're in the right and keep shitposting about them publicly, a spectacular ego on display here

No. 1960761

>>1960759
is she the same person who i have seen posted that claims that the west invented homophobia and ancient china was full of gays, lesbians, and trangenders?

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>>1960760
this absolute retard is still badmouthing her publisher publicly. you can rell she's a spoiled rich kid because she really thinks she can just act like that with 0 consequence
>>1960761
yup. it's alsmost sad she got disqualified from the hugos because the chinese public would have torn her to shreds. mainlanders aren't too fond of overseas wokies dumbing donwn traditional chinese culture. and chinese netizens are on a wholly different level when it comes to cyberbullying

No. 1960764

>>1960763
How is this news to her? Of course publishers will drop you if you start affecting their bottom line. They're businesses, this is common knowledge about how they operate. Just how sheltered is she?

No. 1960765

>>1960763
That might explain why, ironically, her book has been published in any language but simplified Chinese. I don't doubt that no publishing house want to publish a book about a Chineseboo taking real Chinese people and mixing them in a "Kweer" version of Darling in the Franxx.

No. 1960771

>>1960738
Any relation to shadman the degenerate twitter artist, or did this guy just pick a similar name?

No. 1960778

>>1960771
just a similar name,
shad seems to be his actual birth name and it fits the pattern his brothers have as it is biblical and his brothers have biblical names as well, josiah (better known as jazza) and asher, as they were raised mormons

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>>1960765
imo the main reason her book will never be published in the PRC is because it won't make it past the censors, no way they would allow a book with a woman dating two moids at once lol. but it's kind of a shame because netizens' reaction to kweer disabled mecha pilot wu zetian in a polycule? would have been priceless
>>1960764
she's just incedibly online and thinks she can behave wwith publishers and industry pros the way she does with her twitter/tiktok/yt audience. her site is incredibly unprofessional, it basically reads liek a personal tumblr. she seriously posts shit like picrel on her official website

No. 1960793

>>1960741
Makes me feel bad for Jazza tbh. Imagine having a less-talented, bitterly jealous sibling who tries to use art theft to skinwalk you. I can only imagine what their Thanksgivings are like.

No. 1960796

>>1960790
I think is because she used names of real Chinese people and claim they were based in these people to do her horrid fanfic. How many BL drama books are published anyway with certain kind of themes +18? Then again, the authors behind these books must stay anonymous to avoid jail time, Xiran wouldn't shut up how she made Wu Zetian, a real woman emperor, be married with two moids and ride mechas.

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>>1960790
Forgot to mention, someone should tell her to get a lawyer so the lawyer can tell her to stfu and keep things in private until a new resolution get place, otherwise she's going deeper and deeper with her reputation to other editorials.

No. 1960799

>>1960798
she claims to have one already

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>>1960799
If she does, she's ignoring what the laywer is telling her.

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>>1960800
>do not post an image of a guy famous for chopping people's heads off and say you wish he was your laywer
kek i had to check for myself. i forgot she was a frenchboo on top of her desecration of chinese history

No. 1960808

>>1960805
inb4 her next book is a play on french history

No. 1960809

>>1960805
Fuck is Robespierre gonna do for her? Beheading her publishers would make no difference, not when they were already brainless enough to work with her in the first place.

No. 1960810

>>1960713
her publisher is just penguin right? I tried looking it up and that's what wikipedia says. If true, penguin isn't exactly a struggling indie press lol. I'm positive they have other bestselling YA (and YA authors who identify as adult) authors signed with them

No. 1960812

her publisher has probably hated her for a year already for openly disclosing how much she was paid. I'm not personally against sharing one's wages but she's an idiot for doing it with a publisher she's still trying to have a working relationship with.

No. 1960814

>>1960810
Messing with Penguin is akin to messing with idk Google or something like they are one of the main guys, this gets worse. Burn those bridges, gurl!

No. 1960816

>>1960812
>not quit your full-time job money
does Xiran not realize the only authors able to live off their writings alone are the juggernauts like Stephen King and Rowling? Everyone outside of the top like 5% of all authors ever needs to work a day job it is not a sustainable career path. Does she really think she's on the level of King or someone else that she could live off book writings?? She's fucking delusional

No. 1960817

>>1960816
if she's really getting six-figure deals that's probably more than enough to live off of

No. 1960818

>>1960808
Iron Robespierre

No. 1960819

>>1960817
the six-figure deals in book writing are usually spread out over several years since not many people pump out a novel every single year. so a six-figure book deal still ends up being minimum wage level for most people since their next book will likely be published with a 2-3 gap minimum. You still need a day job to cover the downtime (unless you're a silver spoon like Xiran)

No. 1960821

>>1960819
Interesting.Like you said though she's not strapped for cash

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>>1960805
>>1960809
before the revolution, robespierre was indeed an attorney at law. he had a local reputation as a poor man's lawyer, but of course this vain bitch assumes he would have been sympathetic to her ruch kid problems
>>1960818
if you look aat her french twiter she is obsessed with robespierre, but jsut like Wu she treaats him like one of her blorbos rather than an actual historical figure. she acually cosplays as him. it's pretty obvious she doesn't know or care about the actual guy's life or politics beyond what she saw on tumblr

No. 1960824

>>1960823
masaka…can it be… robespierre-kun is xiran's husbando?!

No. 1960825

>>1960824
kek anon
considering she sees herself as some kind of brave fierce activist and martyr i believe she might actually be kinning him

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>>1960823
>>1960824
>>1960825
I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks Robespierre-kun is like this atm.

IIRC she even bought from a museum a document with his signature.

No. 1960831

>>1960830
$8000 for her husbando's signature.

No. 1960836

>>1960831
good god it's only a matter of time before she commissions art of robespierre and saint-just holding up her boobs
also it's ridic that she acts like she 'rescued this document" when it has little historical significance. she just wanted to fangirl. never mind that the man himself was notoriously frugal and would have adamantly dispproved of this kind of wanton display of wealth

No. 1960855

>>1960725
More like any moid ever in existence.

No. 1960858

>>1960793
here is a very awkward exchange between shad and jazza about art and shad actually insults his brothers art, and he also claims he is a great author

No. 1960859

>>1960778
>as they were raised mormons
wait, British Mormons exist?

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>>1960824
On her tumblr account which she claims is for "studying the French revolution," 90% of the posts are fanart portraying Robespierre and Saint-Just as anime boys. She 100% thinks of these dead Frenchmen as her husbandos kek

No. 1960861

>>1960860
lmao, what the fuck?

No. 1960862

>>1960859
they are australian, but yes british mormons exist, there is a mormon church in my neigbourhood
there is even a british sect that has split off from mainstream mormons, that believe jesus not only visited america, but visited britian too and their text follows jesus' adventures in britain
we even have our own amish equivelant too but the men dress in modern clothes and only the women wear special clothes

jazza left the mormon church and considers himself athiest but shad considers himself a devout mormon and holier than thou

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>>1960860
she is not gonna like the fact he was not an anime boy in reality

No. 1960880

>>1960831
>complains about unfair wages from publisher
>buys useless 8000$ history memorabilia
ok. also kek at her frenchboo thing, she should write a kweer scifi fantasy anime retelling about the french revolution tbh. reverse orientalism. honestly though i don't understand how does tiktok reconcile the ultra woke tone with the french revolution being a subculture on there, wasn't napoleon a literal colonizer?

No. 1960890

>>1960862
>there is even a british sect that has split off from mainstream mormons, that believe jesus not only visited america, but visited britian too and their text follows jesus' adventures in britain
that sounds actually kinda hilarious, I knew about Mexican Mormons but British one's are even funnier.

No. 1960891

>>1960880
>wasn't napoleon a literal colonizer?
That was napoleon the III, most wokies don't consider wars against European nations to be colonization.

No. 1960894

>>1960805
>>1960823
This is pure speculation, but I'm 100% sure that her French obsession likely comes from kaze to ki no uta, an early popular BL series where an impossibly feminine 10-year-old boy is constantly sexually assaulted by literally everyone until he finds a perfect seme who genuinely loves him, and they have a beautiful love story together.

No. 1960904

>>1960831
always hilarious when these diaspora authors cry about how hard they have it then you find out they come from a wealthy immigrant family, have received private schooling their entire lives, and have enough disposable income to spend $8,000 on a piece of paper kek. reminds me of the other popular chinese diaspora author r.f. kuang in this regard

No. 1960905

>>1960894
Take your meds. She’s Canadian, she probably just took an interest after studying French in school.

No. 1960908

>>1960863
That particular recinstruction has no historical basis (it was made from a fake death mask)
but it's hilarious how her idea of robespierre has just 0 to do wth the guy's actual politics. he's just another anime husubando she buys merch for. woth tryhard lefty twitter politics tacked on.
>>1960894
weirdass tunfoil. why this manga of all things? there's plenty of manga/anime that takes place in france. or maube she just took french in high school. there's also a bunch of ppl online who treat the french revolution like a fandom, she probably came acrosss one of these. they've been around since the lj era

No. 1960912

>>1960908
IKR She could have taken Lady Oscar/Berusaiyu no Bara from some inspo from all the French Revolution, but instead she picked a moid that invented a way to end people's life and she defend that in the "Terror days", he wasn't a dictator.

She even dared to cosplay as Robespierre to "celebrate" the French pension reform strikes. It feels like those people using anime characters to protest for the Palestine-Israel situation.

No. 1960913

>>1960912
Kek how hasn't she been cancelled for the dreaded cultural appropriation yet? Literally culture cosplay. Or would she say french people have no culture? This would be like a white girl cosplaying IRL Wu Zetian.

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>>1960831
>>1960912
Some real Ignatius obsessing over Boethius energy at play here.

No. 1960916

>>1960913
Something something "French are white/have no culture". Ironically the same people that cry cultural appropriation were laughing at French people crying for the Notre-Dame fire, and now they're crying that no one cares about the mosques in Palestine.

>white girl cosplaying IRL Wu Zetian.

"She's my waifu, and she wouldn't be ok with CCP ruling her China territory!"(derailing)

No. 1960919

>>1960908
>why this manga of all things?
She's a fujoshi with an obsession for the French Revolution. It's a popular series among fujos, with a superficial French aesthetic. It tracks.

No. 1960925

>>1960919
Nayrt but she's obsessed with the French Revolution and its figures specifically, is that manga set in the French Revolution and is there any evidence she ever read it? History fujos are plentiful without it being caused by a specific manga, and she is Canadian after all so she studied this in school. Hell you could say that she's like that because she read Innocent, which is actually set in the period and is also a hit amongst fujos. Or les misérables. Kind of a stretch there nonnie.

No. 1960935

>>1960925
AYRT, My thing is is that her obsession with revolutionary France is very superficial. It's similar to how every twitter commie is obsessed with the Russian Revolution and the cosmetic aspects of the union.

No. 1960944

>>1960935
Like those cows like >>1959722 who are obsessed with Communism because "they beat the Nazis" while ignoring what the USRR was back then. Spoiler: Not all rainbows and happiness, specially if your were LGB or against the communism. To the gulag you go.

No. 1960945

>>1960935
I'd wager that comes with treating history as a fandom in general. Even Xiran is not immune to it when it comes to Chinese history, it's obviously her personal fandom and Wu Zetian's her waifu.

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>>1960729
One of my personal favorite authors cows, by far, has to be Gertrude Stein.
She was one of the first open feminist lesbian authors and poets, she came from a wealthy Jewish family. Stein's homes were basically the "hangout area" for some of the most influential Western authors and poets of the 20th century. She was close to Ernest Hemingway, and she was made the godmother of his son. So far, it sounds normal, but before and after WW2, she had open Fascist admiration/sympathies. She endorsed Franco during the Spanish Civil War and most damningly, she collaborated with the Vichy Regime during the German occupation. Now, it would be one thing if she was doing this for the sake of her safety, but she continued to admire the head of the collaborationist regime Philippe Pétain after the war. also despite being Jewish she did hate Jewish men above all else, and thought Catholicism was an aesthetically perfect faith. Stein spent the last years of life translating Petain's speeches into English.

No. 1960960

>>1960916
sage for OT but the french themselves were laughing at people crying for Notre-Dame, despair really wasn't an unanimous reaction (parisians are cynical and generally very secular). She's embarrassing but her admiration for Robespierre isn't that fringe or disturbing for a French speaker, nor is gratitude to the USSR like >>1960944 mentioned (it's actually a pretty common sentiment, after all the alternative was Nazi occupation). I get why this thread takes an offended tone when discussing retarded twitter leftists but it's funny, the people you're upset on behalf of mostly don't care.

>>1960948
Wow. I guess this is a way to cope but it's still bizarre how far she took it

No. 1960969

>>1960812
jesus christ, the amount of bragging in this video.
>iron widow inspired by darlifra
>zachary ying inspired by ygo
can this cow write anything that isn't inspired by some anime? i know, i know, it's almost impossible to be unique and creative at the same time but jesus christ, her selling point is literally just "buy my book because it's chinese and inspired by japanese cartoons." also maybe this is a nitpick but i hate how she's constantly trying to make herself look even more asian, like with the makeup and hairstyles.

>>1960830
>>1960748
>>1959953
can you quit it with the simpsons avatarfagging already.

No. 1960986

>>1960969
I bet her next book will be a Lady Oscar but with Robbespierre.

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Xiran is STILL going on twitter and subtweeting her publisher after people told her she should shut up and stop for her own good. Somehow I don't think adding a cheeky little reply will hold up in court kek

No. 1961011

>>1961001
I want to post a simpsons meme, but is like the Publisher is telling her "I'm telling you to keep things in private and communication via lawyer" and Xiran is "I don't care".

Can we just post her defending her husbando or being a Frenchboo?

No. 1961026

>>1961001
I hope she tries to make an expose on all her socials like she did for cait corrain

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>>1960894
Imagine reading that shit instead of pic related

No. 1961061

>>1960919
>>1960894
Reaching like a midget in a library. The (super old) manga you're talking about isn't even about the Revolution, it just takes place in France. Get a grip.

No. 1961063

>>1961001
She's trying really hard to tank her writing career, huh

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>>1961063
>>1961001
she just keeps posting about it too. i bet her publisher's lawyer is salivating right now

No. 1961073

>>1961067
She really can't fathom that it's her fault she's been put into a bureaucratic mess (at best) because she tried to get rid of her editor for palestine-related stuff and then tried to take him back when he (probably) said okay, I'm not going to edit for you then

No. 1961075

>>1961067
She literally admitted she stalled for months so she could be an ActIviSt and I'm sure she wrote this in emails to the publisher too, like she is desperately trying to spin it that they are the ones stalling

No. 1961118

>>1961067
For Heaven's sake, Xiran…

No. 1961138

>>1961075
In addition to admitting she did that to her editor, she also said this >>1959242
>poor handling of my concerns about a Zionist author
Did she try to sabotage this other author? Did she try to tell her editor to drop the other author? I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to throw her weight around because she's one of their "top money makers".

No. 1961153

>>1961138
>Did she try to sabotage this other author? Did she try to tell her editor to drop the other author?

She's so egotistical it's insane. This is what happens to twitterfags stuck in their own echo chamber going trigger happy over Someone Else Doing a Bad. She's already tried to insert herself in drama that had nothing to do with her with that Goodreads thing. She's a fucking narcissistic drama addict and she deserves to be blacklisted.(pointless comment, no sage)

No. 1961163

>>1960948
>also despite being Jewish she did hate Jewish men above all else
women hating men of their own group because they had to experience them first hand is common and always valid tho(derailing)

No. 1961165

>>1961163
most women were critical of Jewish men without being fascists.

No. 1961175

>>1960948
i cant remember which book/story it was or the details because i was so disgusted reading it, but didnt she write like a fictionalised treatise on nature/nurture re "savage" races? could never look at her the same after reading that.

No. 1961176

>>1961001
her videos always came off as weirdly smug and pandering to me, unsurprised to see her mentioned a lot in this thread. Had also forgotten she's a they/them so that explains her entitlement

No. 1961285

>>1961075
>She literally admitted she stalled for months
And then wonders why her stuff has been put on the backburner lol. Does she really think she's going to be the priority after screwing around for months not working on her book and then demanding a new editor once she finally decided to get her shit together and write? The lack of self-awareness some of these cows have is astounding kek

No. 1961294

>>1961285
nta but considering she keeps calling herself their top-earner I think she's completely genuine. I don't think she has realized yet how badly she fucked up.

No. 1961324

>>1961285
>>1961294
I hope this thread becomes more established and attracts more people because I would love some insight from people who work in the industry on what might be going on behind closed doors

No. 1961334

>>1961324
God same, there's so much milk potential and the thread is only a week old. Xiran's spiral into self-inflicted legal trouble is hilarious, I still don't understand how she can't grasp the simple fact that she's the only person to blame for the situation she's landed herself in. And really, 'their highest earner'? It's Penguin, not some random indie publisher. I'm willing to bet that any smaller publishers she's approached turned her down because they don't have the resources to deal with whatever shit she insists on stirring and already knew that authors like her always bring trouble.
I hope we get more diverse types of milk. I know there's at least one nonna who's mentioned being in the Illumicrate server, I'd love to see caps of that shitshow.

No. 1961338

>>1961334
>Illumicrate server
i posted >>1959169 and this is honestly the only "milky" thing about the server. aside from that it's just a slow server where people talk about books and do read alongs. some of the members are definitely very obsessed with having limited/special editions, hoarding books and flexing that they read 14534644 books a year. they are all very pc though and of course they felt very bad for poor widdle xiran, but it has now reached the point of them saying that xiran should just shut up already for her own benefit. i'll keep you guys updated though in case anything interesting happens.

No. 1961343

>>1961324
I tried a bit earlier today to find milk but didn’t immediately find anything. The other farms has a thread on YA drama but as per usual they can’t stay on topic to save their lives

No. 1961410

>>1959718
If the one star reviews are coherent and make well-thought out points and criticisms, then I probably won't be as interested in buying/reading the book (especially if anything they mention is a pet peeve of mine). If the one star reviews are retarded or make stupid points (eg a fantasy book with a wizard on the cover having magic made it too hard to take seriously and thus a bad book), then they're useless and won't sway me kek.

No. 1961424

I am law illiterate. What did Xiran do that warranted a lawsuit? Did she break a contract and talk about something she wasn't allowed to on Twitter or something? And if her publisher is suing her, how can she expect to have her book still published later by that same publisher? I assume a lawsuit would imply all bridges are burned.

>>1961343
I didn't see it mentioned in this thread but Colleen Hoover is worth looking at. IIRC her son was accused of sexually assaulting a girl and she responded aggressively to the victim who contacted her. I'm phone posting so I couldn't find it now, but there's a lot with her. There was also Della Owens, author of Where the Crawdads Sing, whose husband was being investigated for torturing and killing an alleged poacher in Zambia (according to him).

No. 1961425

>>1961424
I don’t think it’s as serious as a lawsuit, but that she’s probably breached her contract by being late and/or made herself undesirable to work with due to demanding a different editor

No. 1961437

>>1961425
I suspect it's to do with all the shitposting she's doing about the publisher, brand identity and reputation is something businesses put a lot of money into so it is going very close to libel/slander. I don't know how anyone reaches adulthood without knowing you don't talk about your employer publicly.

No. 1961498

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This is the manuscript wishlist of a modern literary agent.

No. 1961499

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No. 1961500

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No. 1961501

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>>1961424
it's possible her publisher just sent her a c&d letter to stop her badmouthing them on twitter.
could also be breach of contract because she herself admitted she was tweeting too hard to actually work on the book

No. 1961506

>>1961424
She mentioned they were suing for damages, most likely to either their brand, their finances, or both. Her getting on twitter and bad mouthing them and then getting her fans to spread word about how terrible they are for working with a supposed Zionist is probably part of the reason why they're suing her. Also the fact that she claims she's their top earner and then fucked around not wanting to write and then not wanting to work with her editor has caused the book release to be pushed back to another quarter this year which may have had financial repercussions for the publishing house.

No. 1961508

>>1961498
No wonder the state of publishing has gone down the toilet in the past few years if all popular agents want to read is reskinned fanfic of other shit they like. Like go on AO3 if you want to read about a racebent super qweer rendition of Naruto. I thought agents and publishers were supposed to be looking for creative writers who could be or spawn the next big literary trends.

No. 1961509

>>1961498
Is this real life? WTF? So much anime, cartoons, tv shows, and video games. Does she even read actual books? All her tropes are straight out of fanfic. Would the world be a better place if fanfic had never existed? I'm really kind of thinking yes, right now. Damn you, late 60s/early 70s Star Trek fans.

No. 1961510

>>1961508
>>1961509
Unfortunately this is the crap that makes the most money now, tiktok trends combined with people who grew up reading terrible fanfic means this is the most popular. Honestly pretty depressing seeing a literary agent not accepting literary fiction or adult contemporary

No. 1961511

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>>1961498
I didn’t even know literary agents could have wishlists of their favorite personal tropes? I thought they’d be looking for things that fit market trends or something. Apparently this one works for Azantian Literary Agency. I had no idea how the publishing world worked before this, but apparently they aren’t employed by the publishing house, but serve as a middle man for the writer and send their work around to editors that might pick it up. Honestly, any poor sod sending their manuscript to her is getting fucked over and wasting their money, because she’s misguiding them.

https://agent.keiralekseii.com/

No. 1961519

>>1961509 samefag
For real though, I would totally read a lesbian take on Queenmaker, but not if it was written by any author this agent would accept.

>>1961511
> thought they’d be looking for things that fit market trends or something.
Based on my limited knowledge of literary agents, this is correct. Professional literary agents look for novels that editors at publishing houses are looking for and stuff that's popular. And if a novel comes in that they love in believe in, they will try to sell it, even if the novel is not on trend or what is popular at publishing houses right now. I think they do specialize in genres, but specializing in tropes is crazy. Keir is using her job as literary agent to get fanfic written to her tastes, and hoping it will sell to a publisher. It's a shame.

No. 1961535

>>1961500
>would love to see books with BIPOC leads that use fae and folktales from non-western cultures
>fae and folktales from non-western cultures
>fae… from non-western cultures
how can you actually say this and not be aware that fairies are 100% european, you can not have non-western fae, there are similar creatures in other cultures but they are not called fairies by those cultures and it would be disrespectful to do so

No. 1961556

>>1961535
See, that would require actual effort and research, they simply blandly copy aspects of general mythology in the cultural zeitgeist, label it as "bipoc" or whatever, and then act like they've created a masterpiece of representation.

No. 1961564

>>1961501
>"it was never supposed to come out in april because i was too absorbed in advocacy for palestine to work much on the book"
girl wtf she sounds like a nightmare to work with, just abandons work to tweet about the social justice cause of the minute to virtue signal. most people aren't priviledged enough to be able to fuck around on twitter all day xiran

No. 1961566

>>1961498
I was reading backwards and was going to say “she’s a ya agent of course she only wants to see YA with popular things she thinks will sell” but no, it looks like she really does just want something that fits her exact tastes

No. 1961590

>>1961500
>>1961499
>>1961498
>>1961511
if you look at the website of that agency they have literally only released YA booktok shit, this just seems to be their niche. so this list is unsurprising

No. 1961623

>>1961500
Nitpick but I hate the way she alternates she and they, it makes this so confusing to read

No. 1961650

>>1961498
Feeling real bad for aspiring authors that actually want to write something original rn. Must be hell

No. 1961660

>>1961501
>I was too busy Tweeting to work on the book for months but I hoped my publisher would still rush it out regardless of my delays, now they are taking their time too and this is not how I understood this power dynamic to be!!
I assume this is what's actually going on in her head, she thinks she can walk all over everyone, they wait on her but she absolutely won't wait on them.
In any industry that isn't absolutely toxic, it's about collaboration, as soon as you make it about shitty power games nobody is gonna be having a good time.

No. 1961665

>>1961499
Wait how does the first list say don't send novelizations of your tabletop campaign and then this says she loves things that contain D&D or TTRPG easter eggs…do you want tabletop gaming shit or not.
This whole thing seems heavily Twitter/shipper/fandom informed and I wonder if these are the people actually buying and reading books. Seems more like the kind of people who watch anime/cartoons/play games rather than readers. She even lists animes and specifies she wants overlap with those communities…they read manga, not books. Girl has an easy job because I doubt many manuscripts fit this list. Plenty of ship fanart, but no manuscripts.

No. 1961669

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I think I've got something. picrel is from an article published by the verge on authors using AI to do their work for them. People are predictably seething on twitter, and the 'author' featured in the article is insisting she's no less of an author for using ai.
https://www.theverge.com/c/23194235/ai-fiction-writing-amazon-kindle-sudowrite-jasper

No. 1961672

>>1961623
It's not a nitpick. Switching pronouns like that, and expecting others to do so as well when they talk about you, is narcissistic. If you want she/they pronouns, you should be fine with she or they. Not throw a fit someone doesn't use she and they.

No. 1961685

>>1961669
>No less of an author, despite the fact that she literally did not, in fact, author portions of the work that she is claiming as her own
Lol. Lmao, even.

No. 1961687

>>1961511
Why she cannot commission to some writers to write whatever she wants without the bureaucracy behind the publishing and all? "but is to support bipoc creators" yes, but only if they write what you want.

No. 1961694

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>>1961669
an author recently won an award then afterwards said she used chat gpt to help, and she claims 5% was exactly what chat gpt wrote without any amendments

No. 1961701

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>>1961669
Here’s another quote from a different article, same person being interviewed. I know YA is fun to harvest milk on because the authors can’t help themselves from fighting with each other and self sabotaging but I think the real scourge on the book world is self published “writers” who churn out multiple books a year for consoomers who will indiscriminately read seemingly any slop out in front of them

No. 1961710

>>1961669
This article is so sad. It's filled with grifters trying to sell AI courses, and the one author thought she was going to be a traditional romance/mystery author, and instead, she's just burning herself out feeding amazon's KDP maw. She said her some of her fans would ditch her if she didn't publish in four months. Real fans who won't ditch an author if they don't publish in 4 months. Too bad she wasn't able to get any actual fans.

No. 1961711

>>1961710
I was also struck by that part. If i'm reading a series, I won't expect another installment for a year, at the absolute minimum.

No. 1961739

>>1961535
haha why would you list a more specific cultural term or even just 'supernatural creatures/entities' when instead you could use the more marketable and common 'fae' (which already barely means anything in YA other than magic powerful hot man pointy ears)? That might require effort.

No. 1961745

>>1961739
Irish anon here, you can say fae since no one actually says that here only laypers

No. 1961748

>>1961745
i think ayrt is saying that the agent is forgoing specific terms (eg aziza, tien, yaksha… etc) that actually reflect the cultures that she wants to commodify into YA slop in favour of the familiar, trending, highly marketable, and european "fae", which seems hypocritical coming from someone whos giving her mo as some decentring western universality in YA bullshit

No. 1961755

>>1961745
Yeah, this >>1961748 is more what I meant, sorry could have been clearer. I don't really care about the use of fae itself other than it's been interesting to watch it and its associated trappings become more watered down/marketable/easier to write for over time

No. 1961756

>>1961694
this is pretty interesting actually, apparently its meta since the book has ai themes

No. 1961807

>>1961535
she wants fae specifically but she hates those icky oppressive western people who made them so she wants to separate them from the culture they originally came from. it's like her saying "i want non-japanese yokai" or "would love to see a dios de los muertos theme but preferable without any mexicans or south americans in it". and you just know she thinks she's sooo progressive for wanting it.

No. 1961811

>>1961650
if you'd want to write something original you wouldn't be looking for a deal with an agency that exclusively publishes fanfictiony YA shit in the first place. no need to feel bad.

No. 1961817

>>1961745
same for the UK, I have never heard the word fae used genuinely, outside of weird larpers

also I think it's ridiculous her for to even ask for fairies let alone the 'non-western' part.
as they originally were evil in folk tales, not in the normal sense but as in they follow a completely different morality (like turning a baby to stone as its crying was annoying them, then being confused why the mother is upset), they kill people, kidnap children, kill livestock, burn down houses, blind people, and where I live has a story about mass fairy suicide(derailing)

No. 1961819

>>1961817
>where I live has a story about mass fairy suicide
I think the west does actually need proper fairy representation because I'd read this story over fluffy "fae" stuff any day. It really is a shame very few pieces of media have actually portrayed fairies as little shits, tricksters are far more interesting than someone who'd just give you anything for the sake of being nice

No. 1961824

>>1961819
You might check Emily Wilde books. Faeries are mostly portrayed as beings that don't use the same logic as humans and can be quite sinister.

No. 1961826

>>1961755
Tbh, it annoys me as it is something fantasy authors do a lot and to me it feels lazy, but then again fantasy authors are quite often the most creatively dead and just tend to recycle the same old shit again and again,

dnd is responsible for a lot of it as many authors have used it’s monsters as a template, what dnd and these authors do is take a name from an already established fictional or folkloric monster than give it to a completely different monster that only shares one or two things in commom (like being aquatic or being big)

why is it so hard for authors to just come up with a new names for new creatures rather than just recycle the same names

in some cases it has been very controversial when used for non-western creatures like the big debate around the wendigo where the pop culture version is very different to the version found in the native american cultures where it originates, I remember jk rowling faced some controversy for this

No. 1961838

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>>1961826
God, I remember a Tumblr thread about this. The evolution of the perception of orcs in fantasy works. In Tolkien's works, orcs were originally depicted as malformed humans. In D&D, which drew superficial inspiration from Tolkien's setting, orcs were made a little more menacing by giving them slightly more human-like qualities. However, it was actually British games-workshop that took orcs to an even more extreme level by portraying their personalities, speech, and language as akin to football hooligans and skinheads. This depiction would become the basis for all orcs in fiction. Throughout all of this, there wasn't any sort of African or Asian influence upon them.

No. 1961839

>>1961826
Yeah- fantasy can be such a cool and creative genre that can explore all kinds of ideas and high concepts, but most stuff (that's easy to find, at least) will be too caught up in following its subgenre tropes and cliches (whether they're epic high fantasy or romantasy's) to actually try anything all that interesting or unique. I don't mind that much of the fantastical aspects of the genre comes from folklore etc, what does bother me is when newer authors just regurgitate the authors they read without putting a new spin on things or doing research themselves- you're spot on with dnd being a lot of people's primary source for some of these elements, and it sucks. GoT/asoiaf's popularity has also stifled the genre in a way that reminds me of that period in videogames where everything had to be gritty and realistic and brown kek

>wendigos

I can't remember anything about JKR to do with them, but I'm sure if anything of hers even alludes to one she's been attacked over it. Like, sure, I get that the wendigo might hold significance to some people, but fuck is it a massive tardrage magnet. Are there any other monsters that will attract as much negative attention to you for drawing/writing one as a wendigo?

>>1961838
The continental drift from Tolkien's conceptualisation of various fantasy critters into the modern 'standard versions' is pretty interesting tbh. I mostly noticed it with elves, as I read a lot of Tolkien clones that dated from the 70s to 2000s when I was a kid and got to basically read their 'evolution' into what they're seen as now. I'm so tired of the "orcs are racist caricatures of black people!!!" crowd though, they kick up so much drama while sounding racist themselves.

No. 1961842

>>1961839
>I can't remember anything about JKR to do with them,
sorry nonna, my bad she had nothing to do with wendigos specifically as far as i know, she faced controversy over her changing another native american monster and some asian ones

No. 1961847

>>1961842
no worries anon, HP is a fantasy kitchen sink, it's hard to keep up with all the dramas that get started over this or that cultural reference or creature concept. It's funny to me how many people I've seen say in one breath that House Elves and there servitude towards wizards is bad and wrong, and in another coo over a fae story that involves classic fairy rules and weird behaviour/rules

No. 1961849

>>1961838
>In Tolkien's works, orcs were originally depicted as malformed humans.
Tolkien had problems with orcs because he depicted them as purely evil, but he hated the implications of that, so his origin for them varied. These three appeared in his novels:
1) Created from stone
2) Made in mockery of Elves
3) Made from corrupted Elves

These three were just in his writings about Middle Earth and unfinisthed stories he started after he finished the books:
4) Soulless animals - beasts with the capacity for speech, like parrots, but without souls. Morgoth would have deformed them to resemble the Children of Ilúvatar in a blasphemous mockery and taught them to speak.
5) Orcs come from corrupted men and elves.
6) Orcs are corrupted men. This was the last one he came up with in his later years and allowed him to avoid the orcs being purely evil instead they are evil because corrupted by Morgoth and they were taught that humans and elves are evil and terrible. Now they were a tragedy.

Anyway, the point is Tolkien knew from jump that evil because evil orcs was a problem and he struggled with it for years. But DnD and, lazy fantasy authors after him, took the evil cause evil orc trope and ran with it. Nobody was inspired to do research, and make up their world and monsters, like Tolkien did, instead they just stole his monsters. And then later authors had the gall to be all "wait…evil by nature orcs is just wrong." acting like that's some idea they came up.

No. 1961850

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>>1961839
>>1961842
IIRC for the American school she made the Thunderbird, an important symbol for Natives. The design team used also a tribal cat tattoo and a Celtic snake and a Nordic porcupine for the designs of these "houses". Granted that it wasn't JK Rowling fault in some sense, but she should have asked if the designs weren't stolen.

No. 1961864

>>1961839
>as I read a lot of Tolkien clones that dated from the 70s to 2000s when I was a kid and got to basically read their 'evolution' into what they're seen as now
do you recommendations for any decent Tolkien clones, also what was the evolution of elves you noticed.

No. 1961882

>>1961849
>Anyway, the point is Tolkien knew from jump that evil because evil orcs was a problem and he struggled with it for years. But DnD and, lazy fantasy authors after him, took the evil cause evil orc trope and ran with it. Nobody was inspired to do research, and make up their world and monsters, like Tolkien did, instead they just stole his monsters. And then later authors had the gall to be all "wait…evil by nature orcs is just wrong." acting like that's some idea they came up.
kek so fucking true. i feel a lot of the things people have begun complaining about in recent years, in regards to LOTR (like orcs and easterlings being dehumanized racist caricatures), are things that have only become problems due to the americanized movie adaptations which removed nuance and depth from the story and replaced it with contrived hollywood tropes, platitudes and a big sprinkle of 911 era american imperialist ideals. if you disregard the way things are portrayed in the movies and look at tolkien's actual writing, it becomes clear a lot of the woke grievances are non issues or at least a lot more nuanced than people make them out to be. at the same time the woke grievances are very much enabled by the moids who want to embrace all the allegations of racism, sexism etc in tolkien's works because they're racist, misogynistic retards themselves and want to project their own agenda onto tolkien and LOTR.

No. 1962002

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lol

No. 1962006

>>1961849
This is a retarded take.
D&D nerds took his shit as a very vague basis and went wild with it. The orcs as just pure evil made perfect sense because evil gods had evil races serving them. Simple shit. The satanic panic in the 80s caused a few changes, like getting rid of 'demons' and assassins as characters. The evil races remained both evil and races until the mid 200s when virtue signalling and pseudo-analysis like yours became the new style.
So now we've had entire fucking spergs by the community over shit that wasn't a problem for so long because it's fucking fantasy, not the real world.
It was meant to be an escape from all this moralising and shit. Not let's create an analogue of it. And Tolkien is just a shit example. Someone asked about giant eagles and he told them because shut up, that's why. His theming and ideas were vague enough to serve just about any cause. It's only his autism and his creations (that drew on existing shit anyway) that we remember him for.
/autism(derailing)

No. 1962008

>>1962002
Was this meant for celebricows kek? Good for meggy though

No. 1962010

>>1962008
No- the timing and crying emojis is her saying “good for her but I wish this was me”

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>>1962010
And she keep going and going and going…

No. 1962041

>>1960437
i will say, nona, i read this book last year and i really enjoyed it! imo it's a little young-adult-y, but that might just be a fault of the space opera genre. give it a shot.

No. 1962044

>>1960437
I’m reading it now and I like it, I’ll post my thoughts in the book thread when I’m done

No. 1962064

>>1962006
somebody got triggered. There is no analysis in what I said, it's recounting fact. Because Tolkien attracted such autistic nerds, somebody somewhere has documented everything he said about everything and you can look it up. D&D lifted orcs and other stuff from Tolkien, but they only took the surface level.
>The orcs as just pure evil made perfect sense because evil gods had evil races serving them.
It doesn't, actually, unless D&D good gods make races that are pure good, but they don't.
Anyway, you are clearly continuing an argument you've had other places with other people, and I am not those people. You have no idea what I think of evil races, of Tolkien, or of D&D in general, so go back and argue with those other people.

No. 1962152

>>1960545
I want to go on Twitter and find this specific case of sperging from Clark kek. I read boy parts and it was just pretentious garbage where the author tries to write female Patrick Bateman but fails. There's also an Aiden in the book

No. 1962235

>>1959242
xiran will literally never shut up about the (((zionists))) and how shes being oppressed. girl maybe you're just annoying and untalented i am sorry but that is not the fault of the jews(bait)

No. 1962276

>>1960948
>One of my personal favorite authors cows, by far, has to be Gertrude Stein.
Just want to say this is a top tier imageboard sentence of all time

No. 1962307

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Muhammad Abd-al-Rahman Barker (born Phillip Barker he converted to islam as a student) a fantasy author and professor of urdu and south asian studies
>he was often compared to tolkein and was sometimes called the forgotten tolkien
>it was claimed that he was ahead of his time and had he been born later he would have been a global hit
>widely celebrated for creating one of the first non-western fantasy worlds
>his works on urdu and south asian studies was required reading at many universites
>many fantasy authors lemented his death, and wrote articles and posts about how great he was

….except
>turns out he was on the board of holocaust denying history journal
>and after his death it was revealed that he had written a very imfamous neo-nazi fiction novel, where he states the nazis were the good guys and has the ss form terror cells and go underground to liberate the world years after the war ended
>this was revealed, it was then revealed that many people knew about this but kept it hidden
>this obviously (and rightfuly) destroys all of his reputation
>despite this there are still fans of his around who claim it is lies, or that doesnt really matter what someone gets up to in their spare time

oh and of course because he was a scrote his books are full of nudity and hypersexuality

No. 1962310

>>1962307
>he was often compared to tolkein and was sometimes called the forgotten tolkien
>his books are full of nudity and hypersexuality
>neonazi
it makes me want to alog when people compare fatasses like this to tolkien

No. 1962312

>>1962310
100% when i was doing some background reading for the post and saw some authors even said he was better than tolkien because his work was non western and went against western values
i wonder what those authors think now he was outed as a 100% unironic holocaust denying genocide advicating nazi

No. 1962318

>>1962312
that hideous creep who wrote the game of thrones books also pretty much forced comparisons to tolkien and even chose to publish under his name written with initials instead of normally just because they are similar to tolkien's. a lot of these authors are completely unserious but are still put on an incredibly high pedestal.

No. 1962322

>>1962318
grrm is honestly kinda milky. false promises for over a decade, his last blog called notablog blames the world not being good for why he hasnt delivered. just keeps bsing and lying about writing. "almost there!"

also i thought he was an only child which made the incest less weird somehow but no he has two sisters. writes brother/sister incest. muh aragorns tax policy tho

No. 1962323

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>>1962318
>>1962322
he made a froum post he made where he gets upset that none of the female fans seem to like his self insert

No. 1962331

>>1962323
>that last reply
WHY DOES HE SOUND SO FUCKING PATHETIC HE SOUNDS LIKE A WET DOG WHAT THE FUCK IM CACKLING KEKK

No. 1962336

>>1962323
his writing is fanfiction tier so i'm not surprised this is how he acts online. he literally wrote pages long scat fetish scenes. but yeah totally today's tolkien. laughable

No. 1962348

>>1962323
That last comment is so fucking pathetic. I can't stop laughing!!

No. 1962350

>>1962323
KEK at his last reply. Also I thought the ugly incest family dwarf guy was his self-insert but I guess there's no reason he couldn't have projected onto multiple characters. All he does in his books is show his ass about how turned on he is about rape, incest, pedophilia, and his Freudian fixation on boobs, etc

No. 1962366

>>1962350
Obviously his self insert iss samwise though.

No. 1962367

>>1962336
fat pink mast
myrish swamp
the more she drank the more she shat

tolkien shaking in his boots!!

No. 1962369

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A user on the defunct web forum, IsWinterComing.com, once wrote:

In 1977 GRRM's penis was dubbed "The Truffle" by a council of his peers because it is very hard to find and it attracts pigs.

No. 1962374

>>1962323
The only works of his I actually enjoyed were fire and blood and the rise of the dragon, I think he's objectively good at world-building(a lot better then most current fantasy authors) but he sucks at prose.

No. 1962410

>>1962336
His shit scene gave me James Joyce letters flashbacks kek.

No. 1962420

>>1962336
>he literally wrote pages long scat fetish scenes.
Why do sooo little people talk about this kekk?? Are we all as a civilization/normies just choosing to ignore it and not talk about it like an unfortunate car accident??

No. 1962425

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>>1962350
>his Freudian fixation on boobs, etc
Specifically, his fixation on big brown nipples

No. 1962427

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>>1962425
Unironically over 10+ such cases in ASOIAF kek
Modern Tolkien more like modern James Joyce and his infamous fart and shit fetish

No. 1962429

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>>1962425
He is such an obvious perv but at least he is not fatphobic like evol Rowling kek.

No. 1962438

>>1962429
Kek @ muh fatphobia. Did they just conveniently forget about Hagrid who is also fat but nice?

No. 1962453

>>1962318
I read GRRM’s first book in the game of thrones series before ever watching the show, and I couldn’t believe how rife it was with grammar/spelling errors, like no one had proof read it. It was an OK book overall, but it didn’t inspire me to continue with the series. Comparing him to Tolkien is insulting.

No. 1962476

>>1960724
Happy to see a fellow Sapkowski hater, I feel the same way about him. Being Polish, I wish we had some better fantasy authors of international fame. I tried reading his books at 13 or 14, being excited after hearing all of that how good The Witcher series is, all the praise, cult status here and so on. But I was disappointed.
I only read the first book about Witcher (collection of short stories). Finished but felt like I don't want the rest of the series.
There was a story where Witcher comes across some man who was cursed to look like some beast (?). It is revealed that he was cursed by some priestess he was forced to rape by other men - I don't remember the full story. But it made me angry how he didn't seem to show any protest after being told to rape her. She cursed him for that, maybe during the act. I was always mad how this story is somehow written in a way that made me think the author intends to make reader sympathise with the rapist scumbag. Especially that the topic of sexual abuse always horried me, even more when I was younger.
About the other things, I heard apologists saying that this creepy sex stuff is "realistic", as the world is modeled after patriarchal medieval era but I don't care, some things are red flags anyway. Especially the stuff with minors which I didn't get to yet after one book.

No. 1962485

>>1962336
None of these fat ugly nerds could ever compare to tolkien, he was a normal family man with morals while they cant help but insert their degenerate fetishes into everything

No. 1962489

>>1962476
>I heard apologists saying that this creepy sex stuff is "realistic", as the world is modeled after patriarchal medieval era
this argument always boggles my mind, fantasy is supposed to be unrealistic. it's just something moids say to justify their need for graphic sex and violence. reminds me of when male tolkien fans lose their shit over literal dwarves or elves being depicted as black or brown in adaptations or fan art and they have to make the retarded claim "it's not realistic" despite the obvious oxymoron because they can't just say they're racist and don't like it. at the same time they will completely overlook other changes that go against canon, such as aragorn being depicted with a neckbeard or characters being portrayed as blonde or ginger when they should have dark hair etc.

No. 1962506

>>1962476
>I heard apologists saying that this creepy sex stuff is "realistic", as the world is modeled after patriarchal medieval era
i dont really get where people get this from, i understand that sadly men preying on women has always existed but rape was never at one point so common and socially accepted as it is portrayed in these fantasy books
>anglo saxon punishment for rape was to have the man mutilated, dismebered and displayed on the roadside
>medieval welsh punishment for rape was castration, the rapist would then have to pay the victim a large compensation, the rapists family would also have to pay compensation to the victim as well, and the victim would then be legally and religously recognised as a virigin so that she could not be discriminated against
>medieval england it was a mandatory castration that then turned into a mandatory hanging offense
>even the romans, who were very misogynistic, gave rapists the death penalty everything from beheading to being torn apart by animals or killed by gladiators infront of an audience

No. 1962547

>>1962506
It's a common excuse by the historically illiterate so that they can justify adding edge to their stories because they're cowards who think fantasy without those things cannot be mature or deep or interesting. It would actually be much more interesting for things like rape to occur in a story and have any of those punishments you listed, rather than how it usually goes unheeded (and is used as angst fuel for the male lead/used to make him the better option for the female lead because he doesn't rape or sexually assault people). Another example of this is with the female lead of The Painted Man, as though it's a mild example as far as this trope/cliche goes, it still annoys me that the character was essentially built to be raped (the book also has a strong fixation with virginity and pregnancy), which you can catch wind of when she's first introduced in the story at age 13. Gross.

These kinds of authors will never be the next Tolkien because he wasn't an angry, cynical little pissant towards humanity, and didn't sit at his typewriter writing up a nasty little power fantasy. Tolkien has his faults, but at least his work isn't bitter or cruel (there's nothing wrong with dark fantasy either btw, but this stuff is usually pushed as being 'realistic' rather than dark/grimdark).

No. 1962600

>>1962429
Why do I sense that a tranny wrote this Tumblr post? Only a troon could get away with basically being an MRA on Tumblr.

No. 1962603

>>1962485
Kind of makes me sad that social justice types cry about LotR not having enough diversity when its issues are so tame compared to the work of damn near every male fantasy author to come after him. If I had to choose between women being underrepresented and women constantly being raped for the titillation of moid readers, I'll pick the former every time. Honestly, males have no business writing about women being raped in the first place. It's like a fish writing about how it feels like to be a bird.

Terry Pratchett is also okay though as far as moid writers go, probably because he keeps everything relatively light-hearted and episodic.

No. 1962677

>>1962323
oldfag here. I just have to point out that sreenshot is from livejournal, not from a forum. And his livejournal account is still up, but he stopped posting to it in 2018.
https://grrm.livejournal.com/

No. 1962777

>>1962603
>If I had to choose between women being underrepresented and women constantly being raped for the titillation of moid readers, I'll pick the former every time.
100% agree. It's honestly never bothered me to have a story centered around war and violence with only males in it. Males do not know how to write about rape in any meaningful way, it's either porn for themselves or there for shock value with no regards to how it affects women (both the characters and the readers).

I recently read the debut fantasy novel of a local writer and it was so shit I didn't finish it. What got me to quit was him writing a line like "the bad guys invaded and destroyed the whole town, and also they raped all the women." There was literally no reason to add that last part, it didn't affect the story in any way other than immediately set the world up as one in which women in particular get to suffer more sexual violence from men. You know damn well men ignore the fact that men also rape other men in war, they'd never add anything so gay into their books.

No. 1962781

>>1961669
by all means you can take her work and print it and sell it, as AI products have no copyright by law. Using AI in your full finished product is plain stupid

No. 1962810

>>1962603
Pratchett is one of the few moid writers who doesn't have 20 page sex scenes in all of his books, writes women as people, and doesn't make rape the central focus of his books. And yet retards have still ruined them. Of course the gendies have fixated on Cheery as a 'trans icon' because her story is literally about how dwarf women are expected to look and behave indistinguishably from dwarf men, and being visibly seen as a woman is shocking, therefore she must be a brave and stunning tranny. She's not a man who make skirt go spinny, she's a woman who wants to be taken seriously regardless of her gender, her stories are literally about women's liberation. Not about transitioning because of a fetish or because you don't fit the status quo.
Sorry about the rant, this has pissed me off for so long.
>>1962781
KEK this would be hilarious. And make covers with someone else's AI art, since they're obviously OK with other people's work being used without permission.

No. 1962845

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You think she really got in trouble with her publisher for complaining on Tiktok about how little she got paid?

No. 1962877

>>1962002
Awesome she´s my favorite contemporary author!

No. 1962892

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>>1962485
>>1962603
There was a twitter thread that discussed this topic, but unfortunately, I can't seem to find it. In the past, most fantasy and sci-fi stories were written by people who lived in the era and had a good understanding of the world. For example, H.G. Wells wrote War of the Worlds as a critique of Darwinism, and the author of Conan was a sharecropper. These writers had rich life experiences and were influenced by history and scientific advancements that they would read and research about. However, during the 'New-wave of science fiction' starting from the 60's, stories began to be written by people who were disconnected from the context and approached their works as a form of escapism. Some men, who read Tolkien for instance, completely missed the Christian symbolism and solely viewed it from a fantasy escapist perspective(picrel). Even then, these writers were still influenced by the real world, cause they had to live in the world. But now, the situation is worse than ever. We have fiction that lacks any form of complexity. As another nonna on a different thread put it, it's like a 'bootleg of a bootleg, based on a video game, which itself iwas based on common fantasy tropes'

No. 1962894

>>1962845
If that's not the reason, probably is one of the many reasons.

No. 1962898

>>1962892
>that quote from that goblin
i wanna alog

No. 1962906

>>1962894
ngl her parents sound horrible

No. 1962908

>>1962906
I hope this doesn't get reported as racebait, but they are Chinese parents, this is lax by asian standards.

No. 1962910

>>1962908
she has posted more about them on tiktok/twitter and from the snippets and xiran's own mentally ill attitude they seem a little worse than the average tiger parent.

No. 1962913

>>1962906
It would explain a lot about why she is the way she is.

No. 1962922

>>1962910
considering they let their daughter write a cring glorified fanfiction that disrespects Confucius and portrays one of China's most important emperors as a Himbo, I don't think they're stopping her from doing whatever she wants.

No. 1962931

>>1962910
if they were that bad, they wouldn't be allowing their daughter to be a youtuber/author tbh. does anyone know what xiran studied in college btw?

No. 1962933

>>1962931

health sciences (biochemical disease research) graduated from simon fraser university in 2020.

No. 1962942

It's worth noting that there might not be any legal action at all, because this could just be a guerrilla marketing scheme cooked up by Xiran's publisher - they tell her to larp like she's a Brave Truth Teller while shilling her preorders, people preorder. Like, I've seen people say they thought iron widow was dogshit but they want to "support Xiran" by buying her next book regardless.

No. 1962944

>>1962931
>>1962922
I mean, being emotionally abusive wouldn't stop anyone from writing on a keyboard, plus she has said they haven't read any of her books.

No. 1962957

>>1962944
again, that's the best outcome with asian parnets, one's who just don't give a shit for the most part and have given up that you'll amount to anything(from their prespective), so as long as you don't embarrass them too much, they'll bankroll you and leave you be.

No. 1963050

>>1960763
Are there any receipts to prove that Xiran grew up rich and what exactly it means for her family to be ‘connected’ to the CCP? Or is this just speculation? Do we know anything about her life in China (apparently she’s very secretive about it)?

Not that I doubt she’s a privileged asshole, she acts entitled as fuck.

No. 1963077

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>>1963050
It's not speculation, she's mentioned it on twitter and a few instances on her youtube like picrel,

No. 1963090

>>1963077
I'm going to be honest: that could mean anything, and it kind of sounds like she's trying to make him sound more important than he actually is.

No. 1963127

>>1963090
She lives in a mansion, it's suffice to say her parents are fairly wealthy.

No. 1963139

>>1963127
Oh, I'm not disputing that. It's just that "my so-and-so is a ~Party Member~" could literally just mean they're a treasurer for a regional office, kek.

No. 1963146

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I just saw this in the wild recently.

No. 1963236

>>1963146

giving "graphic design is my passion"

also "an outsider creature" girl what. her sentences are wack

>flags, writelgbtq

big "i support the current thing" going on here

No. 1963252

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manacled aka dramione meets the handmaid's tale will be traditionally published.

author statement: https://senlinyu.tumblr.com/post/741499573811445761/im-excited-to-announce-that-i-have-signed-a-book

manacled: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12917045/1/Manacled

ngl when i first saw the news about some very popular hp fic being published i feared they were gonna release that annoying marauders fic everyone is so obsessed with.

No. 1963255

>>1963252

I have a lot of mixed feelings on this, good that a fanfic author is getting recognised in the mainstream, but manacled is built on so much in world lore to move the plot along. I can’t see it living up to its status as an original story, but then again booktok doesn’t seem to care about quality

I don’t think fan fiction should be revised to become original fiction, fan fiction authors should be signed to create original fiction instead.

No. 1963256

>>1963252
This just gonna be a rape-kink book.

No. 1963270

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Xiran whether she intended or not, has created an entire genre of "historical reimaginations". While there were already books about mythological reimaging's (primarily Greek), we are now witnessing the emergence of books like Iron Widow, that nominally take real historical figures and transform them into fan-fiction OCs, often authored by people who are sheltered, passive, and express ideas of sex and romance come from fan-fiction. For instance, 'She Who Became the Sun' which envisions the founder of the Ming Dynasty as non-binary queer woman
and I posted this already book thread but it fits here just as much, there is absolutely no reason for any of the characters to be "historical figures" because they aren't. like most historians, whether they like her or not, agree that Wu Zetian was smart and patient. She waited and kept a low profile for years, making important allies who would support her. Her paternal clan and the emerging Buddhists in China. She used religion and appealed to the sensibilities of the nobility. Her alleged ruthlessness is a matter of debate; however, even in the most critical accounts, she was never foolish about it. She never killed anyone whose death would cause a backlash against her or create a potential threat. On the other hand, Xirna's Zetian murders her entire family in the end and also kills Gao's dad and his criminal syndicate, who wanted to ally with her. Li Shimin also has a weird characterization. He was enlightened in some ways (very humble by emperor standards), but also brutal as hell. He murdered his brothers to take power. she tried to add that, but instead of killing his brothers for power, she just made her Li Shimin murder his brothers, who were irredeemable rapists that he had to kill for being awful rapists. Additionally, there's a big deal about him being half-Rongdi, but in ancient China, race was more understood through cultural backgrounds. Despite the real Li Shimin having Turkic ancestry, he would never been judged for it, plenty of emperors came from that background, as long as they were culturally Chinese and Confucian, it wouldn't be an issue.

No. 1963274

>>1963252
Del Rey is hoping for a new 50 Shades, huh?

No. 1963280

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>>1963270
sage for slight blog post but i think sometimes historical "reimaginings" can be done well if the person is passionate about history.(June Hur writes these types of books and they were actually very well received in korea.)
I don't think being inspired by a historical figure is detrimental to a book, specially fantasy since it can provide a grounded background, though it is a little funny that The Poppy War's main character is a genderswapped Mao.

No. 1963283

>>1963280
I'm not an WW2 buff by any means, but I watched one documentary about the Second Sino-Japanese War because I knew it took some inspiration. what I didn't expect was that the book would be a beat-for-beat retelling of said war, the war begins with a Muriden(the second sino-japanese war began with the battle of Mukden), the way the cities fall is exactly how it happened on the documentary, it's one thing to be inspired by history but this feels like straight up copying stuff that happened and writing her OC's over them.

No. 1963284

>>1963280
Just curious anon do you like the Poppy War? (Wasn't sure if that's what you meant by your post)
Because I find Kuang's work to be incredibly immature and heavy handed at best.
Poppy War read like YA trying to mature by hamfisting in gratuitous graphic violence and deflecting any criticism of the book with "its the reality of war!!11!"
The fact that the author is Chinese American apparently makes it A-Okay for her to essentially copy and paste actual atrocities from the Nanjing Massacre wikipedia page into her badly written fantasy story.
Sorry for possible derail but I really hated that book.
I was similarly disappointed with Babel even though I think it was a step above Poppy War in quality and maturity.

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>>1963283
It's literally Mao fanfiction, It wouldn't surprise me this was the reason she was disqualified from the Hugos.
>>1963284
I thought it was okay-ish, very heavy handed and edgy as you said, imo Kuang's prose is very good and it's where the book shone the most to me but the "meat" of it was childish and not very inspired, I didn't express myself correctly but I meant I like June Hur's version of retellings more than Kuang's and Xiran's.

No. 1963297

>>1959106
why do women hate themselves

No. 1963300

>>1959491
>@jk_rowling come see your impact and your legacy
holy cringe

No. 1963302

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>>1959106
I never understand the appeal of garbage like this. I assume any women into stuff like that have low self esteem. This reminded me, I hate those terrible book marks I always see on etsy with "READING SMUT LIKE A LADY" or something plastered on them. Like if you want to read that, that's fine, but you don't have to tell everyone about it.(derailing)

No. 1963308

>>1959106
This is so fucking cringery. Why anyone who put this in a book with their name and image attached to it is so humiliating(derailing)

No. 1963369

>>1963255
she’s gonna have to completely change the entire plot and world. the entire concept of Voldemort winning, occulumency/legilimency (going into people’s minds), the flashback segments about the war, Draco and Hermione’s characterizations. all of it is inherently tied to the world of HP. i have no idea how she could publish the same story everyone loves whilst changing every single aspect about it.

No. 1963428

>>1963369
dont be silly nonny clearly this can be fixed easily with 'Lord Voldedeath' winning and it will feature characters such as 'Henry', 'Don', 'Dragyn' and 'Hermine'

No. 1963501

>>1963280
GRRM is guilty of this to a slightly lesser extent, but pretty much every element of ASOIF are just fantasy re-tellings of various points of English history. It's funny because those elements are more popular and well liked, rather than his original stuff he's added.

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>>1963501
samefag, It's one thing to take inspiration from history, but it's another to essentially rip off history and simply write your own made-up characters on top of it. It's like what happened with the Poppy War. If you've read any sort of history about the development of Britain, you'll find that it's essentially the 'lore' of his series, the first men are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons and the Targaryens are the Normans

No. 1963518

>>1963284
I'll admit I have a personal grudge against Kuang for tending to act like the underdog when she went to several prestigious institutions and had a very expensive k-12 education. But a while back I saw an interesting comment regarding Babel. Apparently the main character's name and sometimes words used are Mandarin, when in reality the region he's supposed to be from should be using Cantonese. It's also important to note that from what I understand, Cantonese use is somewhat disappearing in mainland China. Now I might have gotten it the other way around because I can't find where I read about it, but I'm pretty sure it was this way round.

No. 1963530

>>1963518
She tried to portray the fact that Mao was looked down upon at his time in university (he technically never finished and was mostly just an assistant librarian and worked odd jobs). Because, as you said, he talked like a country bumpkin by Chinese standards, so her version of Mao(Rin) is a teenage girl.

No. 1963533

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right now Xiran is on twitter getting big mad at a redditor pointing out her entitlement and privileged situation

No. 1963534

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>>1963533
… because she totally has a day job! on youtube!

No. 1963536

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>>1963533
the comment in question

No. 1963537

>>1963533
her cow costume pfp is so appropriate kek

No. 1963538

>>1963537
Self-fulfilling prophecy

No. 1963543

>>1963534
she uploaded literally once every two months and the vast majority of her video's were just reactions, most 100 sub film review channels, do the same amount of work every other weeks

No. 1963544

>>1963139
Does it matter? Her family owns a mansion in Canada, it’s so fucking weird for her to insist on playing the victim card while roleplaying French revolutionaries from time to time and cracking “kill the rich” jokes like she isn’t one. She downplays her privilege and misleads her audience.

I love how it started as a small speculation but she just outright states it the CCP relations.

No. 1963546

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she's so mad she's tweeting every other minute.
her narcissism is astounding. "i'm your top earner!!! you're turning your backs on a guaranteed bestseller!!! you people should be working overtime for a chance to publish my magnificent oeuvre!"

No. 1963547

>>1963546
Idk how to explain it but this is definitely a marketing thing

No. 1963549

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>>1963547
honestly not sure she's that smart. getting that mad at randos on reddit doesn't sound like a predetermined strategy

No. 1963550

>>1963547
nta but to what end, she just seems like a spoiled child venting.

No. 1963552

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the reddit comment in question

No. 1963554

>>1963533
So I decided to look up the actual discussion this is from and multiple people are saying they'll be buying her book because she supports Palestine and it'll show the publisher. Outside of that just being dumb, we also don't actually know if that's the real reason because it's just Xiran spouting that without any shred of proof. Not to mention the delays were happening long before the current conflict even started.

No. 1963555

>>1963554
>because she supports Palestine and it'll show the publisher
Literally every other YA author supports Palestine, they just aren't annoying their publishers.

No. 1963556

>>1963555
Considering the general audience and clique of YA authors I'd also imagine being anything but staunch pro-Palestine would be career suicide at the moment.

No. 1963560

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she's still going on lmao
>yeah sure they gave me extensions b-but i would have been late anyway!!!
sure helping prove the "lazy entitled rich brat" point here

No. 1963563

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I knew coho wrote like shit but i didn't realize it was this bad wtf

No. 1963565


No. 1963569

>>1963563
is she the one that had step-son fall in love with his step-mother(or aunt) and end up getting to married her and it being presented as a good thing?

No. 1963572

>>1963549
>to prevent me from emptying my bank account
kek, she can't even larp as being poor.

Oh the big bad parents who wanted to euthanize my cat!!! I had to open a gofundme to get more money for the vet because they didn't want me to use my considerable savings and wealth gotten from mommy and daddy, boo hoo.

Fascinating seeing Xiran pretending to be a poor oppressed victim in every single way while simultaneously being so narcissistic and self-aggrandizing.

No. 1963575

>>1963560
"extremely complicated"
Honestly, it cannot be that complicated that you need that many extensions, it just makes her sound either lazy or retarded.

No. 1963581

>>1963533
>>1963540
Can't she just calm herself and see what she's going to post? She's just making herself insufferable to work with, like the Reddit comment was right.

No. 1963587

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unu capitalism bad
if she didn't want anyone to profit off her book she could just have put up her shitty historical AU fanfic on ao3 lol

No. 1963596

>>1963533
yay new xiran posts!! anyways this probably proves she googles herself and may have found us by now. We aren't saying anything that they aren't already saying on reddit though

No. 1963599

>>1963533
why is she acting like it's a massive breach of privacy to make an educated guess that she lives with her parents? by her own admission she doesn't make much money and lives in a country with a super high COL and (as she said so herself) many asians live with their family during adulthood

No. 1963602

>>1963599
She just wants to sound like a victim being totes stalked and doxxed by the haters guise!!! Insufferable. She didn't even address any of the rightful criticism the Reddit post made either.

No. 1963607

>>1963560
Her first book was shallower than a puddle, why is she pretending this sequel will have any depth?

No. 1963633

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Someone made a fake page of a book she hated because the boring premise.

No. 1963635

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>>1963633
Turned out, it was fake.

No. 1963639

>>1963633
>balleraggot, tutu-fucker, chemommy
The fuck are these words and if this was actually real, what kind of publisher would allow that shit? Sounds worse than wattpad-tier.

No. 1963641

>>1963635
your pfp is showing

No. 1963642

>>1963552
I was looking forward to reading the rest of the thread and found that OP deleted their Reddit account after Xiran's tantrum. I can't imagine waking up to find that an author is publicly seething over something you've said that's so minor.

No. 1963643

>>1963635
the dude on this cover looks like zac efron in a bad way.

No. 1963645

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>>1963572
she says the cat cost her 10k too.
>>1963602
and she's gloating about the redditor deleting her account. nah shit you sent your rabid fanbase after her

No. 1963647

Has anyone seen Xiran’s TikTok’s? They’re very cringy.
>>1963534
Those aren’t a lot of videos in the first place and I’m sorry but I doubt the topics require such in-depth research considering her opinions are just Instagram Infographs.
I remember towards the end over first video she wraps it up by promoting her book and I kind of went “ohhh this is just a marketing thing”.

No. 1963648

>>1963641
Not mine. They were in the screenshots.

No. 1963649

>>1963647
Specially the one where she's roleplaying her husbando >>1960912

No. 1963660

>>1963639
its a joke baby calm your autism

No. 1963664

>>1963645
Did she seriously go through this random Redditor's account to pull up receipts of (extremely mild) twansphobia to sic her fans on them because they made a critical post about her with 4 upvotes? What the fuck?

No. 1963667

>>1963563
I have never read a book by her lol, are there more examples?

No. 1963675

>>1963664
understandable behavior honestly, when i see someone say something i think is really retarded i'll go through their post history to see if i can figure out what's wrong with them. not saying she's right but from the other side of the spectrum i do the same thing lol(blog)

No. 1963677

>>1963563
The absolute state of the publishing industry. Also, I know that this is like the least-bad thing going on here, but why is the text center-aligned? That is not how indenting paragraphs is supposed to work

No. 1963678

>>1963677
I feel like i've seen it done before to separate prose from dialogue

No. 1963682

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the ego on this bitch i swear. she genuinely thinks she's doing her publisher (and the world at large) a favour by writing this book at all

No. 1963699

Xiran is a massive cow at this point, judging from how badly she chimped out over one Reddit post I’m kinda hoping she gets her own thread

No. 1963700

>>1963667
don't have any screenshots on hand but her novel It Ends with Us uses letters (actually diary entries) written to Ellen DeGeneres by the main character as a framing device for a flashback narrative, and tries to be poignant with the phrase 'just keep swimming' from dory in the ending. That book is also supposed to NOT be one about romanticised abuse or unhealthy shit, but reads the same as all her other romances kek. She also tries to write an edgy villain character in Verity that's pretty unintentionally hilarious, and November 9 has awful poems by one of the characters who is supposed to be an impressive writer lol (the villainous character in Verity is also supposed to be a bestselling author as well)

No. 1963702

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>>1963635
Oh hey that’s the sequel to picrel

No. 1963706

>>1963702
good god, this makes the 15 year olds on ffnet look like victor hugo

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No. 1963712

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>>1963707
it's totes a zionist conspiracy!!! good luck getting your publisher not to drop you after posting this shit publicly. woke kween

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>>1963712
Can't someone go to her mansion and uninstall Tiktok and IG and Twitter from her electronics?? She really needs to step back and chill for a whole day or week.

No. 1963715

>>1963682
>a book guaranteed to be a bestseller
I’ve never read her stuff, is there any merit to this claim? It’d be hilarious if it ended up flopping after all this trouble.

No. 1963717

>>1963715
there's substance to that. No matter if we think it's gonna be of high enough quality, it's true that the last book was a bestseller for many weeks on nyt and if her publisher (if she still has one lol) promotes her book, it would probably do just as well. The number of translations iron widow is getting also speaks to its commercial success.

No. 1963718

>>1963712
Wow this dumbass is determined to avoid accountability for her stupid behavior, huh? The total lack of shame is almost impressive.

Using this as an excuse ironically dips a toe into “da jooz run the media” style antisemitism though kek

No. 1963719

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>>1963635
Dr. Mike??

No. 1963720

>>1963707
>The Jews did it
Mind you, she retweeted an actual white separatist and neo-nazis(she since undid it)

No. 1963729

>>1963635
While the actual book seems like mediocre crap for soccer moms to read at the dentist's office, I still feel bad for the author. Imagine some random asshole on Twitter deciding to fabricate an offensive passage and claim it's from your new book just because they're apparently bored and want to fuck up someone else's career. Bizarre, psychopathic behavior.

No. 1963769

>>1963560
for being someone who brags about publishing a book and how proud she is of her story she sure doesn't like writing it

No. 1963772

>>1963563
the fact that porn's obsession with incest is spreading to other media is bad, real bad. Can't 2 strangers just meet and fall in love anymore?

No. 1963774

>>1963635
Isn't the idea of a dancer/sports professional falling in love with a physical therapist kind of a bad idea for a plot since a bunch of Olympic athletes testified against a doctor that sexually abused them? It's not necessarily the same but the idea of someone who was access to your body while you're in a vulnerable state, falling in love with you sounds very uncomfortable.

No. 1963822

>>1963717
And do not forget the movie from the same company that directed… Twilight.
She even joked she was going to put Robespierre for the "token white person" in a Western movie like it was the least thing she wanted for her movie.

No. 1963824

>>1963774
It is, but then again is a boring trope for any book/comic/manga. See Yuri on Ice, the skater and the trainer falling in love, even the Hallmark movie was boring.

No. 1963835

>>1963707
>>1963712
i was waiting for her to blame da joos for her being an unprofessional brat. but its ok guyz shes totes just an antizionist

No. 1963836

>>1963720
#justantizionistthings
she does that and then shits over reddit transphobia? how is retweeting nazis not career suicide or cancellation worthy at this point

No. 1963867

>>1963717
I thought those "best sellers" was basically known to be a fake thing at this point

No. 1963875

>>1963836
>how is retweeting nazis not career suicide or cancellation worthy at this point
You know why. Also you just add 'zionist' (or anti depending on the context) and you can basically make /pol/ tier claims without any consequence.

>>1963867
I think it's specifically new york times best seller because the bar is low and you can buy your way into it.

No. 1963899

>>1963836
>>1963875
tbf a lot of prominent people are re-tweeting this guy(or on of his associate accounts) without realizing who he is.

No. 1963910

>>1963867
>>1963875
Most books sell incredibly poorly I'm talking like a couple copies a year. The actual bestsellers are trashy romance/light reading books women read on their holidays, and children's books primarily. The rest of sales are travel guides, school text books, and self help/spirituality books (a very small number of famous titles for the latter) plus movie tie ins get a temporary boost. nyt bestsellers are bought (you can either rig it by preordering your own book in droves, because most books sell so badly it's easy to be the bestseller this way) or simply paying for the spot on the shelf which happens in some major bookshops.
Even the most famous, highest selling books like Harry Potter only really sold copies on release day, and a trickle after that.

I feel like fiction authors somehow know zero of this actual sales data and hence why they are so up their own asses? Do their publishers lie to them or what? Like surely "bestselling" authors know these are paid for spots but they certainly talk like they believe it's real. They are not actually generating significant sums for the publisher, Xiran seems delusional over how irreplacable she is kek

No. 1963934

>>1963910
Even so, she’s mentioned that she’s started receiving royalty checks for iron widow now. we can debate all day about what’s considered a success but at the end of the day her publisher was willing to publish HT for her before she threw a shitstorm. I’d say the publisher coming back for another book deal is a sign of some degree of success.

No. 1963945

>>1963587
If Xiran knows she's such a slow writer, why did she sign on to a publisher with a set date for finishing the book? Juts self publish it at that point
>you guys are SHILLING for CAPITALISM
lmao fuck off with this guilt tripping bs

No. 1963964

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>>1963700

>i'm 14 and this is deep


speaking of nov 9 the story is so shit but everyone just pretends that it's just so deep and nobody understands it.

to those who are curious- nov 9 is a story about a perv who tricks a house fire victim into falling in love with him. said perv is a wannabe poet/screenwriter or something, who at some point loses a brother in an accident and brother's pregnant wife begs him to marry her (so that the child would have a father growing up i guess- incest, fatherless children in distress, abuse of women and pregnancy are coho's kinks. if you ever read any story of hers one of (if not all of them) will be mentioned)
the main premise of the story is that the two (benton and fallon (the girl)) only meet on nov 9 every year. they don't keep in touch in any other way. some shit happens and it turns out that benton was the one that set fallon's house on fire and nearly killed her. she understandably hates him until her own mother begs her to talk to him to understand why he did it. and it ends with them in love and happy. men are never wrong in coho's world and women are nothing but baby making machines.
(also i don't call him a perv for no reason- he's constantly written as coom brain who does nothing but undress fallon in his mind everytime he sees her).

sorry for the long post but it boils my blood that something this shit gets published and sells millions of copies. booktok tricked me into coho and i will never forgive it…

No. 1963966

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>>1963910
I mean even bigger authors have day jobs, Brandon Sanderson teaches at BYU. And if they don't it's pretty common that authors are sahms (Sarah J Maas, Stephenie Meyer) or trust fund kids (RF Kuang, Chloe Gong)

No. 1963978

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>>1963910
To be fair, there needs to be at least a smidgen of real hype about an NYT bestseller (or at least some money put into marketing it) or else people absolutely will call bullshit. Lani Sarem wrote a terrible book that no-one cared or knew about that shot right up the NYT bestseller list, people were rightfully suspicious, and it came out pretty quickly that she'd been inflating her numbers. But then again, maybe if she hadn't been so obvious about it…

No. 1964087

>>1963700
>>1963964
thanks for the warning nonnies

No. 1964129

>>1963964
ayrt and I fucking hate November 9 and its reception so much too. Aside from all your points, another thing that's really skeevy about Benton is how he fixates on Fallon's awful burn scars being beautiful/nothing to be ashamed of even though they've destroyed her chances of a promising acting career- I get what coho was probably going for, but it's so creepy because he caused those scars and trauma, so him cooing over them and forcing her to wear clothes she's uncomfortable with to please him is disgusting and not the romantic 'uwu he accepts her flaws' nonsense coho likely thinks it is.

No. 1964210

>>1964129
>"I accept your flaws uwu"
>singlehandedly created her flaws
trying not to alog

No. 1964474

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she's so desperate at this point.

No. 1964640

anyone follow any booktubers? i have yet to find any that i like because they are either hyperwokies or obsessed with spicy romantasy stuff. vidrel in particular annoys me a lot because i feel like she doesn't even like reading, she just wants to buy, buy, buy. also i feel like she's on drugs or something in this video because of the way she keeps giggling and heaving hysterically.(derailing)

No. 1964653

>>1964640
I like Alizee (she mostly makes fun of bad books, but is very entertaining imo) and The Book Leo, because she has a very cozy vibes and is overall not obnoxious in any way.(derailing. this is a cow thread, not a fan thread)

No. 1964659

>>1964640
I like a book review channel called Unresolved Textual Tension, it consists of a trio of hosts (2 female, 1 male) discussing books for 1-2h so it's great background noise. They've only been minimally woke from what I've seen, troon pandering is the biggest red flag to me as it proves they have 0 critical thinking skills. I've seen them have to deal with a "transphobe" getting attacked in a live stream chat and they simply said something like "that topic isn't productive" and didn't go into the whole "twaw, fuck terfs"-spiel that allies are required to do… which to me is at least a good sign. They have a few vocal troon/enby patreon subscribers tho so they'd never admit to anything GC, but still.(derailing. this is a cow thread, not a fan thread)

No. 1964675

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>>1964640
booktube is shit. and either way this is not the thread for recommendations
>>1964474
i love how she pressures people to order a book that isn't even close to finished by her own admission. i don't know why she thinks getting many preorders will stop her publisher from dropping her. they're not going to wait 10000 years for her ~guaranteed bestseller~, she needs to stick to schedule or they'll sue her for breach of contract.
also she describes her other book as percy jackson x yu gi oh… the fandomification of literature is real

No. 1964676

>>1964640
I feel like Alizee and Rachel Oates are some of the better ones, mostly because both give well thouught out critique and are entertaining to watch. Alizee as nona said >>1964653 tends to take the mick out of books but she's very charming and her non-book related videos are very enjoyable to watch imo. Rachel has a English degree iirc and seems very intellgent and breaks down her points in a digestable fashion.

No. 1964682

>>1964675
I feel like describing your own work as being so specifically derivative of two others is… not something to be proud of, exactly.

No. 1964709

>>1964682
Virgil would describe the Æneid as derivative of the Iliad and the Odyssey. There's nothing wrong with imitation if there's also something original.

No. 1964715

>>1964659
I like them too, they're not perfect but they're pretty even-keeled and discuss more of the technical aspects of writing and storytelling than a lot of other booktube channels. It was also interesting how they got a lot of backlash from Xiran's fandom for disliking and criticising Iron Widow, to the point that they don't want to cover the sequel on their channel even though the video would probably perform well. Their wokeness is pretty tolerable, with the most irritating points being some political takes and the need to quickly dismiss JKR as being a 'bad person' if they bring up HP as a positive comparison to a book's attempt at doing something similar, but it's brief and better than other booktubers who'll go on anti-JKR/HP rants to get their good girl points from the community, so I can cope with that. The guy can be a bit grating or cringe at times but which one isn't kek

No. 1964748

>>1964709
I get your point but posting this in response to a tweet that uses the phrase "Chinese Percy Jackson x Yugioh" is hilarious

No. 1964756

>>1964675
>percy jackson x yu gi oh

Funny thing is that she poses in her Seto Kaiba cosplay and the setting is in… Ancient China, not in Ancient Greece.

No. 1964777

>>1964659
>Unresolved Textual Tension
I listen to them too!

>>1964640
I like Unresolved Textual Tension, KrimsonRogue, and Man Carrying Things. I hatewatch Cindy sometimes and hoping for the day when she finally becomes a full-blown cow.

No. 1964785

>>1964777
I used to like some of Cindy's earlier rant review videos, but can't stand any of her more recent stuff- especially drama or Important Topic ones. Last I saw she was working on writing her own book, and I wonder how much of a trainwreck it'll be (youtuber books seem to be able to be mid at best) and if it'll be what launches her into full-cowdom

No. 1964789

>>1964777
I've seen a few of her videos; what makes her cowish? she definitely came off as very handmaideny and wokescoldesque. I don't seek out m/f romance (or any romance really) in books and have just tried to get a recap on book community drama she's covered in the past.

No. 1964821

>>1964789
cindy pisses me off because she's constantly larping as a gay moid with her voice and mannerisms and the way she expresses herself with drag queen speech. she also has some weird conspiracy theory about being featured in yellowface and that the author of yellowface has a vendetta against her, kek.

No. 1964828

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>>1964675
I wonder if she'll face any potential backlash for not accurately portraying Chinese Islamic culture and history. She emphasized the inclusion of "non-Han" voices in her work and she is of Hui descent on her father's side. However, most Hui Muslims do not face the same persecution as Uighurs in China. While there are religious restrictions placed upon them, it is not comparable to what she described in her book. From what I've skimmed, her portrayal of culture and people's groups is purely superficial, reducing culture and heritage to merely "X food" or a few costumes

No. 1964837

>>1964675
>Percy Jackson x Yugioh
Outside of the fact that marketing your own work like that being insane to me, I cannot imagine how those two series blend together in the slightest. And it does not inspire curiosity in me to find out.

No. 1964841

>>1964837
I skimmed through the book and read a few reviews, and it's "like Percy Jackson" in that it features globe-trotting adventures that are related to real-world history. The Yugi-oh comparison is because it has an item-based magic/battle system.

No. 1964842

>>1964828
She'll probably escape a lot of potential criticism towards her portrayal of China, its history, and the groups within it due to having cultivated an audience of people who view her as an expert on these things thanks to the way that she presents herself and her channel, at least for now. If she falls from grace then we might see something- I've seen some critique of her work, but a lot of people don't really want to bother because of the backlash from her fandom.

Also, I can't really imagine a middle-grade reader enjoying a book written like your excerpts- maybe it's better in non-expository parts, but something tells me those might be few and far between or written the same. It's all just a bunch of talking points that appeal to Xiran.

>>1964837
The yugioh aspect seems to be from the MC getting possessed or some shit by a dead emperor and an AR headset gimmick.

No. 1964849

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>>1963667
Colleen Hoover is the worst offender

No. 1964851

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No. 1964854

>>1963966
Holy fuck his lectures are on youtube

No. 1964860

>>1964828
somehow this is exactly what i expected her writing to be like, it reads as a smug sjw trying to score points with an online crowd

No. 1964867

>>1964849
>She's just a little kid with tiny boobs and a hormone-addled brain
Was this written by a tranny with his hands in his pants? It's disgusting

No. 1964870

>>1964867
Nope, coho is a woman and unfortunately just writes like that- she tries to be quirky (or edgy) sometimes and misses the mark so hard it's almost impressive.

No. 1964871

>>1964785
>Last I saw she was working on writing her own book, and I wonder how much of a trainwreck it'll be (youtuber books seem to be able to be mid at best) and if it'll be what launches her into full-cowdom
That's what I'm banking on. Once the book is out, and is either mid to shit, we'll see the cracks split wide open

No. 1964933

>>1964842
>The yugioh aspect seems to be from the MC getting possessed or some shit by a dead emperor and an AR headset gimmick.

Even Hikaru no Go takes that trope way better than Xiran would.

No. 1964936

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>>1964860
>a Muslim Jewish conservative pro life born again overweight Asian Latinx Brown homophobic transbian broad who cuts xirself: I want some representation of my persona in the media.
Xiran:

No. 1964941

>>1964828
I've read more entertaining textbooks. Does she think that 8-15 year olds with Tiktok brainrot will trudge through this?

No. 1964949

>>1964941
She gave them for free to some school so I think she does think that.

No. 1964963

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>>1963667
epic burn moment has to be one of my favorites
(for context this book was released in 2018)

No. 1964971

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No. 1965055

>>1960692
>get served a best-seller and movie deal in a gold platter
>stil manage to fuck it up
it's always the same with these entitled rich cows, they have never been told no so they fuck up opportunities the average person can only dreams of because of their ego

No. 1965060

>>1964871
i like cindy but i can’t help but like anyone who goes so hard on sjm/acotar lmao, i can’t stand sjm’s writing style. i do wonder what will happen with her book. i can’t think of a single influencer/booktuber book that has ever turned out to be good. a booktuber that has some serious killjoy videos imo is readswithrachel. she has had quite a bit of back and forth drama with authors and reviewers

No. 1965066

>>1963702
Imagine buying this when you can find five thousand ddlg thinly veiled pedo fics written by 19yos in wattpad

No. 1965104

>>1964971
I didn't think I'd see this reaction pic on lolcor.com

No. 1965112

>>1960724
obvious sage but i just remembered another really cringy bit from the witcher series
>elves live for 400 years but are only fertile for less than the first 100,
>elves find it very hard to reproduce, with only something like 1 in 100 attempts resulting in pregnancy
>except…
>with human men, elves are always fertile and almost every attempt resulting in pregnancy
i dont see any reason for this last part except as moid fetish fuel

No. 1965116

>>1965112
So human male sperm is more virulent and parasitic. Based pink pilled witcher neckbeard?

No. 1965145

>>1965104
TBH That's my "Is this book supposed to be for kids?" reaction.

No. 1965170

>>1965104
nta but I see it a lot on manhwa reading sites, pretty sure there would be a high overlap.

No. 1965200

>>1965112
I truly despise how uncreative moids have turned Tolkien's allegorical creations into a pornographic trope. Elves were beautiful, but they were also stronger than men. Female Elves stood at six feet tall, and the Elvish males were even taller. Despite that elves were able to "pass" as humans, they just seemed like tall, handsome men. However, in porn-brain rot depictions, Elves are transformed into exaggerated, ultra-feminine "pussies" with women who have big large breasts and are raped by orcs or men. The male elves are reduced to feminine losers who are either killed or turned into femboys. it's just fucking shit.

No. 1965209

>>1965116
he doesnt give the exact reason why, but that seems to be the reason
i forget the exact wording as i finished the series about 2 months ago and i dont have the book to hand, but iirc there is some very cringy wording along with it

>>1965200
as tokien said “The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.”
having read some of his letters i think tolkein wouldnt be upsed with what people have done, he'd be furious

No. 1965284

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>>1962892
Another example would probably be the works of author Michael Moorcock. Most of his works are only remembered in the context of "brooding male MCs" and starting the steampunk genre. However, most of his works dealt with issues of class exploitation, colonialism, and were rife with socialist ideology, but none of that matters, only the superficial elements are ever remembered and then stripped of all meaning.

No. 1965638

>>1965209
Moids are orcs

No. 1965807

theres something called the morality clause for authors in their contracts. if you start acting publicly in a way that reflects badly on you or the publisher or hurts book sales, they might have grounds to cancel the book contract with you. Which is why social media is a double edged sword for authors.(sage your shit)

No. 1965833

>>1965200
Elves are originally from Norse mythology - light elves and dark elves. But yes, moids tend to pervert absolutely everything beautiful. Tolkien was a rarity unfortunately.

No. 1965841

>>1965833
do you think if Tolkein were alive today he'd be writing elf harem isekais(derailing)

No. 1965844

>>1965841
nta but obviously not, cause the bog-standard fantasy world rpg concept wouldn't even exist.

No. 1965849

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every time xiran describes her books just makles them sound worse. she really treats historical figures like her OCs. "emperor taizong pacific rim AU!!"
especially jarring when she posts this shit in between 4000 tweets showing gruesome war injuries

No. 1965881

>>1965849
i hate it when authors describe their books like that

No. 1965938

>>1965849
>>1965881
that's how you know she needs to lay off the tumblr and ao3

No. 1966050

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>>1965849
>Pokemon Go

Wasn't the book about playing cards like Yu-gi-oh? Keep your original plot at least.

No. 1966139

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Cait Corrain, who got caught leaving negative reviews on other authors' goodreads pages awhile back, has just done an interview blaming her autism for what she did, lol

No. 1966140


No. 1966146

>>1966139
That’s not autistic behavior, just asshole behavior

No. 1966149

>>1966139
Ah yes, the ol' Momokun "ADHD-Made-Me-Sexually-Harass-People" Defense.

No. 1966150

>>1965841
Go be autistic somewhere else

No. 1966161

>>1966139
later on in the article she explicitly blames her adhd and anxiety meds making her go crazy. those medications…do not make you crazy lol

No. 1966198

>>1966161
ADHD meds might make you go crazy… if you don't have ADHD lol

No. 1966204

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>>1966139
predictably, xiran is making the drama about herself.
she truly is the pixielocks of author twitter

No. 1966217

>>1966204
shes so quirky, totally not cringe at all

No. 1966219

>>1966204
Even when she isn't the one wrong in a situation she still manages to make me dislike her more every time she opens her mouth. Did she ever even claim AuADHD before this?

No. 1966226

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>>1964851
>>1964963
My Immortal tier dialogues, I'd say it's even below that because at least Tara wrote in the past tense.

No. 1966278

>>1966204
>>1966219
I think she did? Still, she did sabotage Cait's career by throwing the stone and hide the hand by posting the reviews. If she didn't want to get involved in the drama, she wouldn't have even done the callout.

Xiran is just a hypocrite, but that's nothing new.

No. 1966288

>>1966204
>>1966219
>Even when she isn't the one wrong in a situation she still manages to make me dislike her more every time she opens her mouth.
Same. Xirans sense of entitlement and self-importance is going to land her in some big scandal one day, she's already pushing it by acting like a cow in a minor situation like this. Perhaps it's partly cultural but where I live the second you brag about how much better you are and how many sales you get, people here immediately turn on you. You're no longer the wholesome friendly underdog author, you're now an entitled money-hungry bully who needs to be humbled. Her book didn't sell because it's a good book, it sold because she's a currently popular youtuber, her reputation is everything and even in the best of times her youtube success can change overnight.

No. 1966336

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sage for zero milk, but I swear Gillian Flynn (the writer of Gone Girl) is going to get involved in some controversy or is already a potential cow. I got obsessed with her after watching Gone Girl, and I wanted to read her other stuff. and most of it was kind of weirdly sexual and kinda sexist, I tried to read Dark Places, but my god, the main character mentions how "uwu small" she is and her boobs every page. Then I read The Grown Up, which opened with picrel. I felt I was too much of an idiot to understand her work and that there was some subtlety to her writing that I wasn't getting. So I learned she used to review films, and I read some of those and I read some of those and she has the personality of a pretentious coomer, constantly whining about the lack of sexuality in media these days, and how awful is is. All that, along with her awful series Utopia, made me lose all respect for her.

No. 1966354

>>1966288
She even auctioned the books she sat on for an autograph session. Instead to think who in their mind would spend $200 or more in a book she sat for disgusting reasons, she took it like "lol fans are so funny".

No. 1966401

>>1966336
Never really understood her hype. Smthing about her vibes put me off; likely because I saw an interview about her philosophy in writting female characters, kind of agreed, only for all of her characters in so far as I can tell, are all sexist caricatures and her Girl Boss Manipulator is lowkey pathetic to me. Feels like a waste.

No. 1966402

>>1966401
Like I can only describe that her characters are only relatable to those try hard dark feminity femcel types that try to be damaged and sexy to appeal to moids kind of way ( even if it can sometimes turn off guys, whinch you'll sometimes see em angst bout). Her only positive contribution is the often times cited "Cool Girl" monolog. I feel her writting appeals very little to actually unhinged women or women who aren't super het in some way

No. 1966410

>>1966401
>>1966336
she actually addressed these criticisms as far back as 2013.

>To me, that puts a very, very small window on what feminism is," she responds. "Is it really only girl power, and you-go-girl, and empower yourself, and be the best you can be? For me, it's also the ability to have women who are bad characters … the one thing that really frustrates me is this idea that women are innately good, innately nurturing. In literature, they can be dismissably bad – trampy, vampy, bitchy types – but there's still a big pushback against the idea that women can be just pragmatically evil, bad and selfish … I don't write psycho bitches. The psycho bitch is just crazy – she has no motive, and so she's a dismissible person because of her psycho-bitchiness."

>Writing on her website, she concedes that hers is "not a particularly flattering portrait of women, [but that's] fine by me. Isn't it time to acknowledge the ugly side? I've grown quite weary of the spunky heroines, brave rape victims, soul-searching fashionistas that stock so many books. I particularly mourn the lack of female villains." It should probably be added that her lurid plots make no claim to social realism: to interpret her evil female characters as somehow representative of their real-life gender, you must willfully overlook hundreds of pages of other people and events that you'd almost certainly never encounter in reality, either.

No. 1966427

>>1966410
Yup, this interview I was mentioning. But in so far as I can tell her characters are evil in a very stereotypically female way without that much nuance ( not a bad thing but I feel I can't look at this interview without rolling my eyes a bit. A case of female socialization where a woman has to justify writting shifty women being shitty women because that's her niche)

No. 1966464

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fresh milk from the hugo awards clusterfuck!
emails from the selection committee were leaked. the reason r.f. kuang, xiran and others were declared ineligible isn't because of direct CPC intterference. it was the people running the awards themselves who self-censored. they combed through the authors' online presence to check for anything that could displease the chinese governement.
the fans, predictably, are seething
full report: https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/

No. 1966476

>>1966464
This is amazing news. I'm hoping Kuang shows her true colors after this. I feel the cow potential in her. Xiran is going to provide us so much milk, we're going to need to create fine aged cheese from the excess

No. 1966483

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>>1966464
Imagine writing a shit about an AU China that could displease the Chinese government. Disney and Dreamworks got a green light with Mulan and Kung Fu Panda, respectively.

No. 1966484

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>>1966476
kuang a least seeems able to show some professionalism and let her publicist handle he whole thing.
but she def has cow potential. her whole book "yellowface" wwas basically getting back at the haterz. obviously designed as outrage bait for the twitter/booktok crowd, and they swallowed it whole.
xiran of course has no publicist and is already tweeting about it; she's mad they mangled her family name

No. 1966554

>>1966484
Xiran pulling the "racism" card for no reason here. It's a country in which they are guests, and Xiran calls them cowards for trying to follow their laws because her rich spoiled ass sits comfortably on the other side of the earth and she's high on her online social justice warrioring (which she admits she does sooo much of she can't even work on her own book). Like she really thinks white people should come in, call China's laws bullshit and go against them on purpose and cause trouble and risk their own safety and jobs just so SHE can potentially get an award for her book?

No. 1966579

>>1966336
i read all her books back when they were hyped up and they're all the same with the same predictable "plot twist" that boils down to "it was the woman who was the bad guy all along!!". it gets really boring after a while. sharp objects was especially shit due to the cringe coquette tumblrina cutter mc.
if i recall correctly i think she mentioned growing up with a lot of brothers? i might be mixing things up. but that would explain her sexist nlog attitude.

No. 1966584

>>1966579
I love female authors pretending women being bad and secretly super manipulative and two faced isn't a trope old as dirt. What's unusual is women portrayed in a grey or multilayered fashion or seen as awesome and powerful Even if not so good.

No. 1966591

>>1966579
I remember feeling genuinely angry when it was revealed that Amma was the murderer. It made me realize every woman in the book was being portrayed as a horrible human being for no reason. Also, the repeated depiction of the 13-year-old's "beautiful body" made me really uncomfortable.

No. 1966593

>>1966591
Tbh having the only seemingly decent character be a moid also annoyed me. It felt very unrealistic and couldn't even be played up as " everyone sucks here, misanthropic vibes" lol

No. 1966628

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>>1966554
China? Being racist against a Canadian author even if she has Chinese heritage and broke Chinese culture with her horrid books?

No. 1966681

>>1966628
it makes me wonder how sheltered her parents kept her about china and lends more credence to the idea that maybe her family weren't immigrants escaping/leaving a shitty country in their eyes, they chose to go to a stable, richer country with their wealth which is why Xiran is so ignorant about how the chinese government works beyond the cultural osmosis she picked up in canada and in school. except she acts like someone who doesn't even remember just how many canadian citizens on vacation have been kidnapped in china in retaliation for shit that happened between our countries. she should be happy the awards preferred to be safe or should be mad they set the awards in a country without freedom of speech to begin with instead of only getting mad after she got disqualified.
i strongly believe the idea that her family has cpp connections. they're probably not people who matter, but i believe they support the chinese government at least somewhat just given her overall ignorance about the bad in china. probably former government workers

No. 1966685

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not sure if this is milky enough but someone in the illumicrate server went to a book event with samantha shannon (priory of the orange tree, the bone season) and posted some stuff samantha shannon said. the thing about her finding out she's kweer because she likes her female oc a lot just gives me "tamsyn muir, self proclaimed lesbian married to a moid" vibes.

No. 1966748

>>1966681
That's what irks me. China is not the paradise she tried to show in her book, nor her videos. She has even been in China before, she know how iron claw (eh) they're with freedom of speech, not mention also all the shit single women have to endure because back then women couldn't have girls so now they have to marry their moids.

But instead she wants to blame it all for being pro-Palestine? Xiran, being in disqualification was for the best, believe it or not.

No. 1966776

>>1966748
she feels like a less culturally chinese exchange student sometimes. if you ever talked with a chinese foreign exchange student from a rich family, they tend to not believe that chinese censorship exists or at least have a million and one excuses for it and why it's different from censorship in other countries. it's surprisingly easy to ignore the conflicting information around you if your home life holds a very specific belief system which is why i think her family has been pro-china to some capacity growing up

No. 1966793

R.F. Kuang: Keeps all private and vague to let her agent handle the stuff.

Xiran: "I got a song that got on everybody's nerves…"

No. 1966869

>>1966793
she's so cringe.

No. 1966909

>>1966685
>that number 2
I can believe it. Priory of the orange tree was one of the worst books I've ever read. Also confirms she has no idea how to write a lesbian relationship, the one in the book felt so asexual and "safe horny" and was there obviously just for brownie points. That entire books is just brownie points - the book. It's like I could almost feel her going down a twitter SJW checklist when writing it and feeling so smug about herself, every plot point is the most uncontroversial thing ever and the villain reveal scene made me roll my eyes. Proof that literature that's made to be as unproblematic as possible according to twitter standards is boring as fuck.

No. 1966914

>>1966685
part 2 is such a dumb flex, without notes you'll contradict your setting's lore sooner or later

No. 1966921

>>1966909
i thought priory was alright albeit too long but the "lesbian" relationship was so clinical and boring. i don't get the readers who claim to have such big feefees over the couple.

No. 1966939

>>1966793
is she…getting mad that they were specifically choosing books that would be acceptable in China while literally censoring the words China and Taiwan because she gets the most attention on this app owned by the Chinese company Bytedance?

No. 1967007

>>1966793
I'm surprised she didn't mention the fact that the hugo awards have hosted numerous pedophiles, but considering those pedos were often "queer" in someway, she'll never mention it.

No. 1967111

sage for blogpost, I don't have any experience in publishing, but I have done some work in my local dubbing industry. I feel that some aspects of our usual bullshit likely apply to book drama, so we constantly find ourselves dealing with low-quality VA's who still carry the 'professional' label. This is because actual talented people want to be paid a fair wage and don't have financial support from their parents. It's also important to acknowledge how much Twitter has worsened this problem. Even low-talent, annoying retards will have a few dedicated stans, who defend them at all times. As a result, if someone criticizes the poor quality of their performance, these fans tend to attack the critic. These interactions on Twitter are even considered in hiring processes, which is a disheartening reality. I can only imagine that the situation is even worse when it comes to modern publishing.

No. 1967138

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>>1966939
fucking kek she is
rules for thee but not for me personified

No. 1967158

>>1966685
>tamsyn muir
had to look this up, that's pathetic lol. If she's genuinely a lesbian I pity her, but she probably just wants the street cred/to be considered more authentic for writing lesbian fiction while living a normal heterosexual lifestyle at the same time

No. 1967760

Someone commented if moids do read the books made by tifs/enby and now I remember someone paid 4K for a book… Because Xiran sat on it.

No. 1967859

>>1967760
kek, but did he read it or is he cooming on it?
wouldn't be surprised if we get the follow-up video, "the crazy pictures my fan sent me of what he did with his 4,000$ book"

No. 1967964

>>1966484
We all know she’s seething because she wanted the reason to be about her protesting. Kek

No. 1967970

>>1967859
"This is what we, no-binary afab writers, have to deal from cis men that bought a horrid book for 4$! My book being full of cum!"

No. 1967992

sorry to bring up race but a lot of the "diverse" YA books being published since about 2020 are mostly Asian because Asians are palatable to the (white) publishing industry and it isn't a coincidence that the books with POC female main characters will 90% of the time have a white love interest.

none of these "diverse" books are anything new.

the author of the book legendborn was asked on Twitter why her #blackgirlmagic book only had one black character basically, the mc, and she was going back and forth with randoms trying to defend her character not trying to seek out any black/POC friend…

tired of how whiteness is centered in """diverse""" stories

No. 1968025

>>1967992
why would a western audience want to read books where they barely understand the cultural references?

No. 1968043

>>1967992
I think it's been interesting to watch media, including books, include asian(/s, often just one though) for POC diveristy points. There's such a clear trend in all of them to use the current popular asian group. If you go back to 90s and early 2000s it was usually a token chinese person who of course knew martial arts, probably had something to do with a chinese dragon. Then anime became mainstream popular and the token asian in every media was suddenly instead japanese, often either kawaii or mecha futuristic. Then kpop became mainstream - and as if by magic the token asian started to be korean, often associated with fashion and dancing (and somehow through all of it we still see the blue/purple hair streak trend).

No. 1968045

>>1967760
She openly did what was very clearly a fetish thing for a lot of money, and made them donate the money instead of sending it to her as if that makes it less bad and creepy? Doesn't matter that it wasn't a sexual thing for herself - the fact that she did it "due to demand" (from men who wanted to wank off to it) means she openly encourages men to harass and bully women (who aren't even in any way shape or form "sex workers") into selling them the sexual thing they want from them. And she is encouraging women to do fetishistic sexual favors for men for money. Oh but you can't take the money - that's too dirty, you gotta donate it! So in the end the man gets the sexual stuff he wants, and you as a woman gets nothing. It's just incredibly stupid and gross and will forever be in her history.

No. 1968209

"Cait Corrain is back… Did I mention it was ME who discover her shit??"

This is like a cripple fight.

No. 1968238

>>1967992
I know you think Asian people are basically white but you're not supposed to say it out loud(racebaiting)

No. 1968269

>>1968025
there are several accounts on ig that spoiler the contents of book subscription boxes. as it turns out, illumicrate is featuring three Asian inspired books in a row for april, may and june and people started to complain in the comments that the books sound nice but PLEASE it's starting to sound very samey to constantly be receiving some Asian myth retelling. of course the hyper woke immediately got mad and accused everyone of racism and that no one would care if the books were about European myths. when the real problem is just that people aren't hyped about reading three books of the same cultural background in a row so they're skipping boxes to save money. something similar happened with the December 23 book when a lot of people said they were gonna skip the book because it doesn't interest them, but of course everyone accused the skippers of being racist against black people. a few weeks later, when the server readalong started, a bunch of people dropped the book because it was just boring and hard to get into. it had nothing to do with the black people on the cover, it just sucked, kek.

No. 1968271

>>1968269
It's also rather frustrating because usually if a writer has to campaign on their ethnicity (and not just what's in the book), they haven't actually written anything all that new or interesting. But then these people end up shoved everywhere by companies who want a simple "woke" answer (which usually is bland but marketable) instead of just giving writers of different backgrounds a chance to succeed or fail and just being generally mindful to whom they generally platform. This starts to give poc (and female) writers an overall bad name and if anything, validates any bigots who will use their experience with repetitive or bland books pushed by corpos to validate their beliefs.

No. 1968276

>>1968045
She's clearly a gigantic narcissist, the payment she gets is the attention even if it comes from the most bottom-of-the-barrel moid merely wanting to objectify her. The money literally doesn't matter. And let's be honest she's not conventionally attractive either and is constantly sexualizing herself on her tiktoks, you can see it just in the above video how hard she pushed her tits together to show them off in that dress. Wanting to have her panties sniffed or a book she sat on jacked off onto by a moid probably fills her with delicious glee.

God help us when she finds this thread, the milkbags will be plentiful and flowing.

No. 1968277

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>>1968269
>getting mad over dumb irl lootboxes(infighting)

No. 1968300

>>1968271
Yeah, this pisses me off too. Everyone's clamoring for diversity but the thing about writers is that they need to be good at writing, not at being speshul. It must be frustrating for the authors too, since the books they write aren't judged by quality but instead by the author's skin tone, birth certificate and pronouns. Not to mention the insane amount of scrutiny that these authors get since they're expected to be terminally online and up to date on what's woke with the customers these days.
>>1968277
I get why subscribers would be mad at having the same type of book 3 months in a row, but I've been looking up books from past book boxes online and literally 99% of the listings mention that the book being sold has shelf wear from being displayed but it's unread. Why the fuck would these people get mad over something half of them literally won't even read? If it's a pretty cover they're after just display the book as an ornament and revel in the asspats from the wokies. I feel bad for anyone who actually reads those books, they seem to be the minority.

No. 1968301

>>1967992
>with POC female main characters will 90% of the time have a white love interest
I really don't know what your talking about, I'm sure there are some books with white love interests, but most that I've read or heard off features other "POC" or queer love interests,

No. 1968311

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Anyone else think John Green is a shit author? When I was a teen on tumblr John Green was huge because of his youtube channel (which I was a big fan of at the time) so I got memed into thinking his books were great. I read The fault in our stars and thought it kinda sucked but that I must be wrong, read Looking for Alaska and hated it, read Will Grayson, Will Grayson and hated that one too, finally started reading Paper towns and quickly gave up because of course it fucking sucked too. All his books have flat boring characters and/or manic pixie dream girls for the awkward male lead to get his dick hard to. I'm especially grossed out he made me read a scene of a (teen) girl asking to suck the main characters dick while said character wasn't into her and the entire book is about him thirsting over a manic pixie girl instead. Couldn't look at the youtube channel the same after that and quickly fell off.

No. 1968326

>>1968311
even people on tumblr seemed to have realized he was kinda creepy and now he's just a joke about male feminists.

No. 1968327

>>1968311
>I'm especially grossed out he made me read a scene of a (teen) girl asking to suck the main characters dick while said character wasn't into her

What book was that?

No. 1968341

>>1968311
The older he gets, the weirder his manic pixie dream girl obsession is

No. 1968348

>>1968327
Pretty sure that's Looking for Alaska.

No. 1968360

>>1968300
i'm guessing out of 100 people, maybe 1/3 actually reads the books. the rest are loud and proud about only buying the books because they are pretty. just the other day someone posted a special edition they bought in the illumicrate server and someone else asked about the paper quality because she didn't like it from another book of that series and the person who bought the special edition replied "idk idc i only bought these for display!"

No. 1968361

>>1968311
There was discourse about this on tumblr a lot and people made fun of his books, i am just shocked that people still like him after all that because it was a popular opinion at the time some time after the movie for fault in all our stars dropped. That's part of the reason why i avoid him so much, he's given me the ick ever since.

No. 1968363

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>>1968311
>>1968326
lol tumblr eventually bullied him off the website. first he got seething mad at a teenager posting about she didn't like the way he intercated with teen fans. he posted cringe ass shit like picrel. and then there was the incident when someone edited one of his posts to a copypasta about sucking dick. they reoved the the option to edit other people OPs in reblogs after that.

No. 1968364

>>1968311
He's definitely a shit author but struck gold briefly with Fault in Our Stars in particular, back in the day (note that it's the book with a pretentious female MC and her pretentious [twagic] manic pixie dream boy). His other books were liked but it always felt like they had less staying power than Fault in Our Stars, besides maybe Looking For Alaska for those who fell for Alaska's hype like the MC did.

However, while John Green is absolutely a rubbish writer, his brother's sci-fi book was actually one of the worst things I read the year it came out (got it as a gift rip).

No. 1968366

>>1968364
>However, while John Green is absolutely a rubbish writer, his brother's sci-fi book was actually one of the worst things I read the year it came out (got it as a gift rip).
not surprised.

No. 1968367

>>1968341
I'm curious, in what way is he getting more weird with the manic pixie girls?

No. 1968370

>>1968311
>>1968363
John Green is also a warning for Xiran and other youtubers who are currently popular and "down with the kids" by acting oh so quirky online that it's not gonna last forever. They're always just one step away from turning themselves into a cringe meme and losing all their support forever.

No. 1968381

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>>1968370
those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it

No. 1968382

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>>1968370
>>1968381
tbf, he was a 30 year old man, interacting with teenage girls, that was creepy even back then.

No. 1968383

>>1968209
She is so fucking annoying, constantly inserting herself into drama to stay relevant and sell books otherwise no one would give a damn. Like how long are you going to milk this one incident Xiran?? I swear she'll still be going on about Cait Corrain in 20 years after her career has gone down the gutter kek

No. 1968385

>>1968381
KEK this still makes me laugh, you know he had to be seething and malding so hard over it

No. 1968463

>>1968383
Let's not forget the "IRON WIDOW MOVIE WITH NO WHITE ACTORS IN IT". There are no promotions, no teasers, no photos, no nothing.

No. 1968513

>>1968364
Anyone remember that couple Dalton and Katie who both had CF who got themselves killed because they got inspired by the fault in our stars? Both acted like they were happy to die like Romeo and Juliet but in actuality they were on the organ list for a lung despite living together and constantly traveling and iirc Katie even got a transplant not long before she died. The issue a lot of CF suffers had with them was that they were literally a ticking time bomb because 2 sufferers can't be in close proximity safely for long stretches of time, let alone swapping spit so any transplant on them was a waste that could have gone to someone actually going to live but the two of them basically intended to keep using up transplants to fuel their selfish dreams.
I don't remember where these cows were discussed because it was ages ago, might have actually been tumblr cause all that's coming up in a search are stupid fluff pieces in honour of their stupidity.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/heartbreaking-true-love-story-fault-8901969
Not John's fault but it just reminded me of these two cows. His writing isn't worth remembering but my brain remembers part of this kek.
>>1968381
The best part about all of this is that he immediately dropped his "I'm cool and get tumblr humour" thing to keep reiterating that he's not homophobic but he certainly wouldn't suck cock (and also tried to make it a "teaching moment" about homophobia kek) before going apeshit and crying to staff that tumblr was being "mean" to him. Over a freaking copypasta about the taste of cock

No. 1968641

>>1968381
Teen girls bullying adult men out of their spaces is so based, wish they'd all start doing it to troons kek

No. 1968810

>Watching a video about politics and leaders that sent to kill people
>Maximilien Robespierre is in the first place for his Reign of Terror
>Xiran:

No. 1968815

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I used to enjoy ReadwithCindy years ago when she was more grounded and funny, tried a little harder with her style. She used to work in tech and have angry/rant humor that was NOT completely ripped from Twitterspeak. Now she is devolving into a fat, tattooed, le snarky spicy bi girlie, with her fatass girlfriend reading mid erotica for views. Her entire joke style is a middle schooler with her screaming OMG PENIS MONSTER FUCKER COOCHIE!! I hate her tattoos so very much, I miss the old Cindy when she didn't feel like another gear in the booktube machine parroting the same shit over and over.(sage your shit)

No. 1968817

>>1968810
she's right though, He wasn't a saint, but he also wasn't a dictator. He, along with the rest of the assembly, was just "naive," and their disunity and chaos would obviously lead to the rise of a dictator."

No. 1968819

>>1968815
she was annoying before this, I can't imagine how awful she is right now.

No. 1968827

>>1968815
someone pointed out before that she speaks like a twitter gay and i have not been unable to unhear it. she sounds exactly like any playfully mean misogynistic gay moid on tiktok who throws around phrases like cunty or slay.

No. 1969103

>>1968817
>robespierre
>just naive
funny way to say paranoid psycho

No. 1969133

>>1968815
nta, but why did this get red texted? it brings up a new book coummnity cow?

>>1968382
Imagine being an adult man writing books for teens about teens giving bad blow jobs and then going online to tell kids to flirt with each other and thinking that's a good look. I remember a video of him talking about people (his mostly female teen audience) being uncomfortable about a partner having had multiple sex partners before them, and he compared it to eating cereal saying something like "I can't un-eat the other cereal but I still enjoy this spoon of cereal" and it made me so uncomfortable at the time. There's just no reason for any social media person to talk about sex with kids and teens online.

No. 1969191

>>1968817
>>1969103
No "naive" person would send to kill people with guillotines, first of all.

No. 1969358

>>1969103
>>1969191
I meant they were 'naive' in the sense that they were like children who thought they could get their way. They thought their planned state had any chance of surviving, but it was disjointed and chaotic. The public execrations did offend many people. If not Napoléon, some other military leader would have taken power

No. 1969464

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>>1969133
Do you know which video it is? I've only seen this screenshot.

No. 1969503

>>1969133
Maybe the redtext was added because it was not saged.
Thankfully I never read Green, his books seemed cringe (especially with normalising teenage sex and my own dislike of media with sex scenes) to me from what I heard but now he sounds like a certified groomer. Won't be surprised if he would be outed. What a douchebag.

No. 1969660

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Ole Johnny Boy aged like shit. About the nicest thing I can say is that he looks mildly less like a pedophile.

No. 1969665

At this rate this looks like an "enemies to lovers" trope.

No. 1969666

>>1969665
>Episode 1
there's gonna be more of this shit?

No. 1969667

>>1969666
Probably she's going to repeat what she had said on her TikTok.

No. 1969677

>>1969464
I believe he was aiming for "don't slut-shame women" but it kind of came across as "hey female teen audiene, just saying it's totally fine if a man slept with 48 women before you, or if you're a slut who sleeps around with 48 men, I totally won't judge you, I accept you and would still enjoy sleeping with you, I am such a good guy, but screw you if you don't agree with this (would still enjoy sleeping with you though)". There was literally no reason for him to talk to his young audience about sex to begin with.

No. 1969780

>>1969665
I ship it

No. 1969786

>>1969780
we all know she'll ended up with schlubby male though.

No. 1969891

these people have no real problems.

No. 1969895

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>>1968364
>his brother's sci-fi book was actually one of the worst things I read the year it came out (got it as a gift rip).
considering he's the the “I fucking love Science!!!” guy, but blindly accepts shit like troonism, It tracks

No. 1969950

>>1969895
God Hank is so obnoxious. I hate it when he's hosting any of the sci-show eps, and ever since his cancer diagnosis, they got him to host more and more. I finally decided to unsubscribe when they specified "and when we say male, we mean sperm producing, and female as egg producing" in a fucking video about the challenges of determining the sexes of dinosaurs. As opposed to fucking what? An NB-saurus rex?

Not at all surprised he wrote a shitty sci-fi book. He's also friends with Linsday Ellis who wrote another shitty "sci-fi" book that's just a transformers het fanfic

No. 1970154

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>>1969891
this is pure consoomer. these people don't even care about reading anymore, books are just some gacha shit with special edition rare items and loor crates and shit. social media retards are ruining literature

No. 1970246

>>1969950
NB-saurus Rex is one of the funniest things I read in a while kek

No. 1970405

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So, C.M. Kösemen(the author who wrote and illustrated All Tomorrows, All Yesterdays and other cryptozoological works) hasn't been involved in any controversies. but he's a weird guy, he's into AI art and he retweets porn, not regular porn though, but porn featuring his horrific, monstrous entities and "monster girls". I don't know if it's genuine attraction, irony poisoning, or if he just wants to show off his creations, but he's a weird guy.

No. 1970451

>>1969895
i hope he troons out, he used to think he was gay because he listened to the village people as a kid so maybe it's now just proof he was truly a woman all along kek

No. 1970467

>>1961038
Innocent is shit and the author panders to trannies in his new manga.

>>1963077
If it's anything like it was in EastEuro commie countries, it doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people were encouraged to join the party for some minor benefits, but it didn't necessarily translate into any political career whatsoever. Both my grandfathers were in the party, neither had anything to do with politics.

>>1963252
>that annoying marauders fic everyone is so obsessed with
The Shoebox Project, or is it something else?

>>1963772
I feel like it's becoming popular because it's the new "forbidden love" thing. Earlier (as in, for most of history) it was class/status disparity romance, then it was gay romance, and now that these taboos stopped being taboos, we have incest. Beside's it's not that new, V.C. Andrews wrote tons of incest and so did Anne Rice.

No. 1970522

sage for no milk, but I don't know what the hell is wrong with Diana Gabaldon but she deserved to be called out more, she obviously has a rape-fetis and it pops so many times, every single major character gets raped or sexually assaulted

>The lead female mc has been raped three times.

>The lead male mc has been raped twice.
>Their daughter was gang-raped.
>Their adopted son was a child proustite.
>Their nephew is raped once as a teenager and later made into a sex slave by a witch.
I'm probably forgetting some but I stopped reading the series and I'm glad for it.

No. 1970535

>>1970467
I thought The Shoebox Project was really cute, but didn't that disappear years ago because they were hacked or something? I assume OP meant "All the Young Dudes", which I haven't read. Not sure if it has any trannies, but people were all "omg JKR is such a meanie, but I still need to consume HP stuff and this is soooo much better".

No. 1970553

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>>1970467
>>1970535
Same anon, but I opened the fic on AO3 and the summary confirms that the author is retarded.

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>>1964785
you're in luck anon

No. 1970746

>>1969891
… Buy the special editions on ebay, vinted, etc then? The prices fluctuate wildly but you can get the speshulest books for extremely reasonable prices if you're patient. The older books plummet in price as the hoarders selling them need the shelf space ASAP for their new limited edition super unique books, I've seen them being sold in batches and for less than the price of a regular book literally because the color scheme doesn't fit the owner's new bookshelf aesthetic. I've also seen tons of these special edition books IRL in car boot sales and charity shops for like £2. How retarded do you need to be to not even think of spending 20 minutes a week looking through online marketplaces for something you want that badly?

No. 1970809

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>>1959324
>>1959412
Delaney is SFWA darling because of his twofer token status, they will cover his ass no matter what he does or says, and he's pretty upfront about his pro-pedo stance. Also Wikipedia jannies removed any mention of his support for NAMBLA or Hogg being among his notable works. Check the discussion page for their hilarious cope about it.

Speaking of SFWA, I feel I should mention Patrick S. Tomlinson, another one of their members and my current favorite lolcow, although his writing career is pretty nonexistant. He's been trolled by OnA forums for about 5 years now due to some minor slight, and in any normal circumstances I would feel bad for him if Tomlinson wasn't such a massive smug liberal retard with a terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome, who spends 20 hours a day on twitter arguing with people larping as his blanket, because he's too braindead to listen to sane people advising him to stop engaging the trolls. SFWA gave him money for his lawsuit, which he obviously lost and has now been ordered to pay OnA forums owner. He also got clowned on by literally everyone in the wake of the war in Ukraine for this absolutely retarded advice on Twitter, but is still deeply convinced he's some sort of military expert.

No. 1970824

>>1970809
>Patrick S. Tomlinson
ah, one of my favourite 'author' cows kek- loved every time he gets into some retarded argument with someone and started calling them child in a pathetic grasp for superiority. His kiwi thread was pretty fun, especially whenever he posted some of his godawful writing or had his elite hacker friend backing him up or whatever the fuck was going on, it's been a while

No. 1971028

>>1970522
Heard of her books but didn't read any. That's fucking creepy. >>1970809
I had no clue who Delaney is (maybe that's good or just because he might not be widely known in my country), that's something disgusting. Of course the SJW neckbeards or the queer woke faggots won't even try to cancel him, like they do with Rowling. I think that whole circle is poisoned, I don't believe they would stay silent about the abusers as if they wouldn't know. They knew. Even writing a fiction like that is a sign of being deranged. Not surprised at all by the NAMBLA connection.

No. 1971621

Re-uploading old videos rather than write about her book.

No. 1972074

If anyone's interested, this video on Patrick goes into details of SFWA harboring mutltiple pedophiles among their ranks. Starts around 15:30.

No. 1972134

>>1971621
Maybe she's banking on the booktok people never reading any of the shit they buy and thinks that her publisher will be OK with selling a slab of blank pages with sprayed edges.

No. 1974595

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Molly X. Chang, author of To Gaze Upon Wicked Gods has been called out for stalking, harassing, and attempting to dox multiple reviewers who rated her book 1-star on goodreads. Funny how this author was just crying a couple weeks ago over the Cait Corrain situation and how racist it all was but is now also behaving badly and being racist towards these reviewers kek. Some of these YA authors are unhinged and too sensitive for publishing

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>>1974595
>>1974595
tbh it sounds like the reviwers are being bitchy about the criticism they received on their reviews, they specifically had issue with molly's male love interest being white and called it a "colonizer romance" and them being called out on it is somehow racist. It's all so dumb.

No. 1974607

>>1974597
Regardless, the author shouldn't be stalking them and trying to figure out who they are for writing a review on her book. People can dislike a book for any reason—if multiple reviewers thought the romance between the main characters was problematic then they're entitled to their opinion. Some of the reviews take issues with other parts of the book too so it's not just the romance part that's poorly written kek

No. 1974609

>>1974607
Samefagging but I guess the initial reply got deleted >>1974603

No. 1974611

>>1974609
>>1974607
No problem anon, my screenshot wasn't attached the first time i posted lol
I'm more weirded out by them not posting anything proof of the harassment or doxxing, molly hasn't posted anything on her social media about the review, was it on her private socials?

No. 1974618

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>>1974603
tbf this is an issue that many woke "WOC" authors find themselves facing. A few years back, there was controversy with Chloe Gong (one of Xiran's friends, coincidentally) for featuring a white male love interest, even though the story was set in 1920s Shanghai. Then there was a black female author mentioned in the fandom thread who again, gave her obvious self-insert a white male love interest

No. 1974719

>>1974618
Liberal women are indoctrinated with the idea that white men are these rich powerful evil colonial overlords who running the world and keeping women and brown people down. That gives their stupid monkey brain appeal to authority tingles and they end up putting white moids on a pedestal when in reality most white moids are just some guy.

No. 1974722

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>>1974719
Bingo

Also the reason Gong is a lolcow is more because she’s stupid and arrogant and wrote a completely unnecessary essay in response to someone complaining about pressure on young authors, basically saying that young writers were just salty and jealous of her getting her book published.

I’ve read her book and found it very pretentious and cringe. She’s basically a tumblr fanfic writer who got a break by being Asian and playing the race card.

No. 1974774

>>1974722
I haven't read the book, but in the context of the story set in 1920's Shanghai, It's not untre, Europeans held significant influence in China. but, if this statement is coming from the Russian protagonist, it would be kinda dumb because the Russian emigre community were all associated with extreme far-right proto-fascist groups after the events involving the Bolsheviks.

No. 1974786

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>>1974774
>>1974618
I actually did read the book, and she's not addressing the issues of colonialism and white supremacy. It's very obvious that her frame of reference is crime movies set in 1920s Shanghai, and those can be fun settings, but they can't work when the story tries to be serious. the book portrays Chinese cities not being run by white colonial officials and businessmen but by a bunch of white gangs, which is fucking retarded.
but that allegory falls apart when Roma's gang joins her, and the story delves into a bizarre type of orientalism, where Russians are suddenly referred to as "fellow Asians." and bad as the colonial allegory is, the issue of workers' rights is even worse. The only excuse provided is that "communists will take over," which is presented as a nebulous threat.
I feel it should be obvious, that the 1920's Shanghai wasn't a great place to be if you weren't rich. It was filled with exploitation and mass abuse, gangs did run cities and they were opening up brothels and factories with inhuman working condition, it's just a very bad book.
anyway here's xiran's goodreads review of it.

No. 1974789

>>1974774
The people chimping about this are the same people who think not having black samurais is ebil white people trying to retcon history. You could bring one back in time and show them the European man in 1920s Shanghai and they would still tell you no

No. 1974790

>>1974789
that's not the complaint though, there were plenty of white people in 20th century China, but they weren't running around in gangs, they didn't have to, most of the evil shit they did was legal.

No. 1974921

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>>1974595
Molly X. Chang posted her response to these claims last night and is denying everything and blaming it on “a friend” and “third party” who was doing all the leg work in spying on reviewers for her. She’s also claiming that the reviewer named Sid (https://www.instagram.com/sidthesffkid) and her author sister Sarah Mughal Rana (https://twitter.com/sarahmughal769) are the ones behind all these rumors and smearing. Molly also claims Sarah was shit-talking/slandering her at a dinner with an unnamed friend. Her reasoning for being the victim here is that she thinks Sarah is jealous over how much her unreleased fantasy book with similar themes as TGUWG was acquired for compared to her own (rumors are Molly’s duology sold for ~500K) and that Molly doesn’t deserve all the promotion she’s getting so she and her sister are trying to tank Molly’s career with false allegations. The whole thing is such a mess, very much seems like a he said she said situation where no one actually wants to own up to anything.

Link to Molly’s full response: https://twitter.com/mollyxchang/status/1766935473518182905

No. 1974923

>>1974921
you can clearly tell here, that none of these people had rael jobs and had to mature after highschool.

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>>1974595
>>1974921
Sorry to samefag, but I’ll have to post a couple times to get all this documentd but here is some of the proof the reviewer presented against Molly. I feel like Molly was kind of jumping to conclusions, making out a single reviewer into some big bully trying to drag her name through the mud because she’s connected to an author who wrote a similar book and maybe subtweeted her is a big leap. It’s mentioned multiple times that she has “trauma” and “anxiety” over reviews after the whole Cait Corraine incident so it could just be that she was being overly paranoid and connecting dots where they didn’t really exist. The sisters seem to be overexaggerating a bit though, Molly knowing the reviewers private account and posting a screenshot isn’t really doxing tbh. Again, just messy unneeded drama from debut authors who are ruining their own careers before they’ve even made a name for themselves. There’s a reason why you rarely see the big name authors involved in this kind of shit, they know to keep their heads down and avoid it.

Link to the reviewers proof: https://twitter.com/hanneninas/status/1766964597112684649

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>>1974595
>>1974921
>>1974929
Not super milky but if you’re surprised our favourite cow Xiran hasn’t jumped on this story already, don’t be! She’s already involved in this as “the mediator” in all these caps. She was present at the dinner that keeps getting mentioned, was at Sarah’s debut event, and you can see her Instagram icon showing in some of the screenshots the reviewer posted of their conversations. At least this time Xiran can't continue fanning the flames to get maximum exposure on this story so she can reap the benefits kek

No. 1974942

>>1974923
kek I know, maybe if these authors spent more time working on their craft and promoting their books they wouldn't have free time to tinfoil over fake reviews and other authors

No. 1974947

>>1974595
i realize i'm not an authority on this but i just can't see these people as real legitimate authors. they act like the kind of autistic low-tier fanfiction writers that strange aeons would make a 2 hour long video about.

No. 1974952

>>1974921
I wonder if their gonna devolve into whose more oppressed.

No. 1974960

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Sarah seems like another clueless rich burger, like I swear 99% of Muslims wouldn't even care.

No. 1974963

>>1974722
What on God’s blue earth made her think this is what a white man would say in 1920’s. Please tell me her book flopped. How can anyone read and enjoy this in earnest?

No. 1974980

>>1974960
>Showing some guy's reasonable art about his hatred for being trapped in an oppressive religion
>"My book is about a hijabi's right to wearing hijab"
This feels like when a friend shows you screenshots from an online argument where they are clearly in the wrong but you don't know how to tell them kek. I was under the impression men regarded non-hijab wearing women as the equivalent of prostitutes, where as hijab-wearing women were regarded as under ownership of the male family. What's the gain of caping for your own oppression to the degree of writing a book about it. Is it bargaining? Limited rewards for going along with the system?

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>>1974929
Somebody else posted screenshots that Sid would harass commenters that gave books she deems "problematic" positive reviews and would imply they're pro-genocide and whatnot, the fact that she badly censored xiran's pfps and readswithrachel's username on her screenshot to the point its so fucking easy to tell them makes me lean more towards Molly not being totally schizo.

No. 1974989

>>1974938
kek good catch nona
>>1974960
she's overblowing the whole situation by including things like "guests had to wait outside in the rain" (as if book store staff can control the weather) and "there werent enough chairs" etc as if that has anything to do with the """anti-muslim imagery"""

No. 1975007

>>1974960
Some of the complaints are retarded but I get why she's upset. This would be like if a christian author did an event for their book and there were images of satan and bible burnings in the venue kek. Not really appropriate even if you disagree with the religion, I don't know why they wouldn't have found a different spot at the location to hold the event

No. 1975010

>>1974988
This is the only comment people have found, I'm not really buying it unless people have more proof that she was going around harassing a bunch of people. Still doesn't prove that she was behind all this either, it'd be different if this account was commenting on a bunch of reviews for TGUWG but it isn't.

No. 1975013

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>>1974963
>Please tell me her book flopped. How can anyone read and enjoy this in earnest?
I hate to tell you this but it sold pretty well and was even popular on Tumblr and TikTok at the time. It was also released during the HK protests, when there was a strong anti-CCP sentiment. and in the second half of the book, the communists are portrayed as the real bad guys. but I didn't see it being discussed, more-so people drooled over the hot Russian guy and the female MC, whom they could self-insert as.
It's actually an interesting time capsule, because despite being released just 4 years ago, it still reflects the late 2010s, a more innocent time. It's not the worst thing in the world; it just tried to handle themes the author didn't have the maturity or knowledge to handle.

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>>1974618
Is it just me, or does she suspiciously similar to her ideal fan-casting of her female MC?

No. 1975095

>>1959723
nona i vividly remember reading this book at around the same age too. i hope someone is able to find it because im really curious now.

No. 1975155

>>1974790
>white people weren’t running around in gangs
Actually they were. Well, gangs consisting of soldiers. German, French, Russian and American soldiers all engaged in gangraping Chinese women, looting and murdering entire families/villages in occupied China in the early 20th century. All aided by the church who would often encourage western soldiers to massacre entire villages for refusing to convert to Christianity. That’s why so many people were disgusted by the romanticisation of white moids in these historical Chinese novels.

No. 1975158

>>1975080
She even chose a random model with pale as fuck skin, mixed features and light eyes. The self hatred and white worship is strong in this one.

No. 1975197

>>1974786
She could've set this in the central asia or russia if she wanted a gang story between a russian and asian so badly, but I guess she can't see herself in kazakhs or siberians kek. it's always the diasporans who do this shit

No. 1975260

>>1975155
I more or less mentioned that, the shit the soldiers and dignitaries committed was legal, no one had to pretend to be mafioso's.

No. 1975359

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Looks like what seems to be the Chinese equivalent of poltards have caught wind of the drama surrounding Molly Chang. The harassment she's getting mostly seems to be coming from accounts with stuff like "Chinese supremacist", "MRAsian" and incel rhetoric in their bios. They claim they're pissed about her taking inspiration from Unit 731 but it seems like what they're actually seething over is that the romance in the book is between a white guy and an asian woman

No. 1975377

>>1975359
I know there was "discourse" around the romance by wokies, had no Idea asian Incels were involved.

No. 1975380

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>>1975359
so there seem to be western asian incels who hate her for having a wmaf romance but now, there are Chinese nationalists who hate her, alleging that she wrote a romance with a Japanese 731 soldier and a Chinese girl (which she didn't), and also for making the communists look bad.
https://twitter.com/mollyxchang/status/1767341238045290698

No. 1975399

>>1974786
>>1974618
Honestly, fuck her, So 2 years back, there was this minor author rebcca mix, who wrote a fairly mediocre YA book called "The One's we Burn" The book is set in a world where witches are real and oppressed group. It's standard racism bad allegory with supernatural creatures. Chloe Gong shared a particular Goodreads review that went viral. The review didn't critique the quality of the book but rather ranted about how the allegory itself was racist, this was near the tail end of the BLM riots. so the author faced death threats, her book was removed and ultimately she to quit social media.
Only much later did it become apparent that it was blown way out of proportion. the whole controversy stated cause there were two rich black characters portrayed as evil in a setting that was vaguely medieval Europe, but also incredibly diverse. As a result these morons were convinced that it was setting up a narrative of "reverse racism" where white people are oppressed and it was not inclusive of the experiences of POCs.

No. 1975412

>>1974595
i have no horse in this race but i think a major problem is also that the average audience of these YA books is braindead idiots who will believe anything written on the internet. the book isn't out yet so only a select few who have received ARCs from the publishers can read it and these people's reviews dictate the conversation around this book. of course the popularity of goodreads and the inability to form own opinions ("what do WE think", "what are WE reading" etc.) also plays into this. but this is just information control on the same level as "trust me bro, don't read it, i read it for you, it's super bad!" it reminds me of people who said they read jkr's "transphobic" essay so others "don't have to" so they can control the narrative and keep painting her as the villain. again, idgaf about the author and this book in particular, but this shit keeps happening again and again in book spaces because the wokies keep woking.

No. 1975443

>>1974595
Why do YA books always have stupid flowery titles like that? It makes them look more poetic than they actually are.

No. 1975447

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Florence Ashley, a Canadian TiM, recently published a degenerate book full of AGP stereotypes and navel-gazing drivel he’s been relentlessly promoting on Twitter.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/ButNotTheCity

Florence’s bio from Wikipedia:
>Florence Ashley is an academic, activist and law professor at the University of Alberta. They specialize in trans law and bioethics. They have numerous academic publications, including a book on the law and policy of banning transgender conversion practices. Florence served as the first openly transfeminine clerk at the Supreme Court of Canada. They are a winner of the Canadian Bar Association SOGIC Hero Award.

Quotes from his new book that he has chosen to highlight:
>“Besides, we all know I pursued vaginoplasty because women’s clothing has no pockets. It was either that or learning sewing.”
>“So I’m sitting there, crayola jizz on my titties…”
>“I have not succeeded in my craft despite horniness but because of it.”

No. 1975456

>>1975443
imo its the influence of fanfic culture. the titles grind my gears too

No. 1975457

>>1975447
pornsick moid writes a book and expects asspats for it, what's new

No. 1975459

>>1975447
This reminds me of Andrea Long chu's book where he fantasized about little boys feminized and "pegged", like these degens are so pornsick that their fetishes always jump out.

No. 1975466

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>>1975377
I think they only started up recently, they definitely weren't involved in the prior drama with the two sisters. Pretty sure they got involved because of some thread by another reviewer who was posting in defense of the book that blew up. You can see them in the QRT's and comments
https://twitter.com/ghoulcowboyy/status/1766506892098965630

No. 1975467

>>1975459
It’s hilarious how similar all tranny “academics” are. They think their pornsick fetishes are so “revolutionary” when they’re really just copy and paste for every troon

No. 1975469

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>>1975359
Glad she's signing out of twitter until the release because now knetizens and cnetizens have gotten a hold of this story. Girl is going to get torn to shreds if any of you nonas know how brutal they are over Kpop idols and Korean actors. Picrel are some of the reactions
https://www.pannchoa.com/2024/03/theqoo-incident-that-is-making-chinese.html

No. 1975493

>>1975466
>>1975469
two things. 1) the cover art for YA romances by asian-american (or canadian) authors always has some really good art. I want that for more books. 2) I feel like drawing from real history with a enemy to lovers romance is a bad idea in general unless you're willing to actually stand your ground and defend it, because as is happening, you're going to have to.

No. 1975499

>>1975493
I mean obviously I'm siding with her over the asian Incels, But it is fucking weird that she essentially wrote a story that was analogous to the Japanese occupation of China, but portrayed the Japanese parallel as white and wrote the whole thing as an 'enemies to lovers' plot.

No. 1975510

>>1975469
But did this author really say somewhere that the russians in this shitty YA book are based on the unit731 japanese soldiers? I thought they were supposed to be actual russians

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>>1975510
They aren't Russian, different author. You're thinking of Chloe Gong. The colonizers in Molly Chang's book To Gaze Upon Wicked Gods are essentially Romans. She did say in a tweet she took inspiration from her grandfather's stories about Unit 731. The colonizer love interest commits similar atrocities apparently. She didn't directly say "yes this character is a Japanese Unit 731 officer" like some people are claiming

No. 1975519

>>1975493
>>1975499
>I feel like drawing from real history with a enemy to lovers romance is a bad idea
Yea no kidding, I feel like some of these diaspora authors think they can take whatever they want from their cultural background and mold it into trendy tropes and a story that will get them a publishing deal. You can see the difference in reaction from actual native Chinese people and westerners about this topic, clearly it's still a sore spot in history for them whereas western readers think she can write about whatever she wants. I don't think she deserves the gross misogynistic comments and death threats either though, people are taking it way too far and purposefully misconstruing her explanations to fit their narrative even though she says at the end of the book the main character realizes how awful he is and plans to get her revenge in book 2.

No. 1975525

>>1975499
Even if they're incels doesn't mean they're always wrong. Unit 731 was some absolutely horrific stuff and the fact anyone let alone someone from Chinese descend thought about molding it into a YA trope filled romance is something that tells me she needs a lot more history lessons.
>>1975516
idk if her grandparents are still alive but I cannot imagine someone that actually had a contemporary experience with unit 731 would be thrilled knowing she wrote this.
>>1975519
It kind of reminds me of how everyone loved the Poppy War by Kuang who first of all rewrote Mao's story into that of a teenage girl. And also for some reason beyond me was praised for essentially including a part that was a essentially a barely reworded graphic description of the Nanking massacre.

No. 1975533

>>1975525
>including a part that was a essentially a barely reworded graphic description of the Nanking massacre.
are you serious, how would that be put in any sort of YA book.

No. 1975539

>>1975519
Diaspora authors are the biggest lolcows, istg

No. 1975544

>>1975533
Because "dark romance" novels are just pornified YA tropes.

No. 1975550

>>1975539
It comes from the fact that these people are from the upper class of their own nation, but they do often experience a sense of alienation in the western world. As a result they tend to cling to superficial aspects of their heritage. Look at the whole "bland white people food, while POCs have spicy foods" meme, If they were even the leastbite knowledgeable about their own nations, they would realize that many swarths of their country do not consume spicy food. but they have little interest in learning about their own heritage, as their identity is solely based on being "oppressed POCs",

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>>1975525
>Unit 731 was some absolutely horrific stuff and the fact anyone let alone someone from Chinese descend thought about molding it into a YA trope filled romance is something that tells me she needs a lot more history lessons.
I feel like that's why she's kind of backtracking on it now that she's realized it's not really her place to write about which is further angering people.

>>1975533
To be fair The Poppy War is an adult book series but yea I've heard it's a pretty brutal retelling of the second Sino-Japanese war

>>1975539
Kek I know, they always seem to come from rich immigrant families too which is ironic considering they always cry about privilege and all that. Meanwhile authors like RF Kuang have been in expensive private schools their whole lives and are basically a career academic who has never had a real job before kek

>>1975545

Go look at the links posted, loads of random Chinese supremacist accounts and ones seething because there's a WMAF relationship in the book

No. 1975559

The funniest thing about the Molly X drama is that she actively compares her book to Zutara KEK

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No. 1975562

>>1975260
No. Rape and looting was never legal. Some of the western governments like the US and Britain tried to ban it but their soldiers still engaged in it. Russian, French and German men were the worst for it.

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this clown lacks so much self awareness

i know she’s referring to everyone dragging molly but lol

No. 1975747

>>1975561
imagine your book being such mild shit that you have to advertise it through tropes alone like it's fanfiction

No. 1975814

>>1975561
I cannot believe she thought it was a good idea to advertise the camp 731 romance as zutara

No. 1975815

>>1975747
I think that's a standard practice in these circles nowadays. I see it everywhere with those types of book (some examples are also upthread)

No. 1975840

>>1975747
Isn't everything published under the YA/new adult label basically written at the level of a AO3 fanfic and not even the best ones at that? It's like the whole appeal of reading this kind of books.

No. 1975852

>>1975744
LMFAO too good. she is so funny i bet she'd fail the mirror test

No. 1975867

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>>1975814
The controversy started even before the unit 731 reveal, because she stated it was inspired by her grandfather's stories of the Japanese occupation of Manchuria, which even excluding the stuff that happened with unit 731 was still horrific and killed millions of people and caused mass suffering.

No. 1975918

>>1975814
The fact that she went out of her way to say it's just like zutara but is now coping and saying it's a character study about women stuck in abusive relationships is hilarious. Just admit you basically wrote a race play book based on your family's horror stories kek

No. 1976049

>>1974786
I honestly can't believe people were trying to smear Xiran as a commie lmao

No. 1976245

>>1975867
I think all of this would have been avoided and the book could be less shitty if instead of being marketed as "enemies to lovers, he falls first uwu" romance it was instead as a female power fantasy revenge story and she seduced the invader to obtain intel or something like that. It could appeal to both western and chinese audiences. It didn't need to be a romance and the author should have stopped herself from sperging on twitter

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maybe people confuse fantasy with ya because most of the current output is written in a 3rd grade reading level?
nope, saying the books are badly written is misogyny according to xiran

No. 1976588

>>1975561
Why would you advertise your book by… spoiling the story? I feel like I don't need to read that book because of that screenshot, I feel like I already know enough about what happens in the story now.

No. 1976589

>>1975499
>she essentially wrote a story that was analogous to the Japanese occupation of China, but portrayed the Japanese parallel as white
Holy shit, she still made yt ppl the enemy even in a situation where they weren’t involved.

>>1975551
Imagine getting bodied by a fucking eurasian tiger comic

No. 1976783

>>1976588
>Why would you advertise your book by… spoiling the story?
That's how fanfics work and how you spot a fanfic writer larping as an author, you write rigid tropes and people wanting to read those tropes seek those fanfics out. You can tell she has no respect for her own craft or the story she created.
>"Disapora Feels"
damn i'm sold, what good advertizing, how will i be able to resist burni- i mean reading this book

No. 1976817

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I posted this before but it fits best here. Regardless of how you feel about either Riordan and JK Rowling, there's this trend in YA literature to recreate their successes with more diverse characters/setting. 'Harry Potter/Percy Jackson but' books - PJ but based on Indian mythology, HP but set in a Korean boarding school, PJ but based on African American mythology e.t.c. They all get hyped on BookTok. The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one. They never understand what made Harry Potter and Percy Jackson good in the first place. They only take surface-level tropes and try to apply them to their POC and/or queer characters, and they think they deserve an equal amount of fame, both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson didn't come from this mindset. The genres JK Rowling was most familiar with were mysteries and thrillers, same with Rick Riordan. When his dyslexic son showed interest in Greek mythology, he wrote a book for him by doing her own research on greek mythology and also trying to make it fun for his other children.

No. 1976877

>>1975550
Yup. These woke YA writers are always the most whitewashed poc possible too, who grew up in predominantly white upper middle class neighborhoods, had predominantly white friends, make an effort to dress eat and live as much like a bougie white girl as possible, only date white people etc. Then they pretend they were slumming it in a tin shack with Grandpa in rural China while he was recounting the horrors of Unit 731. Imagine thinking ‘yeah I should make a spicy romance story about this’ holy fuck it is peak navel gazing, disconnected diaspora privilege with complete lack of empathy for the victims and an appropriation of that suffering with needless romance and sexiness added in. And the complete lack of self awareness too. Just pathetic.

No. 1976881

>>1975516
Imagine your grandma surviving being experimented on by Dr Mengele during the holocaust, and then you go and write a story about her falling in love with and fucking one of the Nazi doctors. Jesus Christ bitch, just stop.

No. 1976883

>>1975466
Molly actually wrote a review where she gives herself 5 stars and justified her shit book with the following

>Villain love interest

>All morally grey cast
>Childhood lover turned traitor who has turned his back on everyone he loves
>Star crossed lovers
>Subverting expectations
Kek she’s really so proud of pissing everyone off for attention.

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>>1976877
Speaking of which, here's a minor personal cow of mine commenting on the recent Molly Chang situation. She's also a wealthy diaspora whose "novels" are mostly thinly veiled self-insert Final Fantasy and GoT fan-fiction. but featuring a "queer" and diverse cast and consistently including a tall, brooding white male character for her protagonists to ultimately end up with.

No. 1976920

>>1976881
there's something really, really disturbing about how these people seem to be completely unable to separate actual real life politics and atrocities from their regressive adult baby YA discourse. going through xiran's twitter it really seems like as far as she is concerned, gaza and the latest YA author twitter cancellation drama are basically the same political struggle.

and idk, while these people are obviously extreme morons it also feels like this kind of twitter induced psychosis is a result of how information is presented on social media, where the only thing that matters is views and engagement and the content is basically irrelevant, so a video of an actual child getting blown up by a bomb and a post about how a fictional character in a romance slop series is "problematic" just exist side by side like there's no real difference between them.

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>>1976920
repost, a really interesting thing I'm seeing is that these people are applying the type of online activism that was mostly used for Black/Asian Americans and gay people on an issue that is far-removed from that world, like the rhetoric on the Arab/Muslim side of Twitter , "innocent Muslim women and children are being murdered" (and some anti-Semitism). And that's all that's needed to get 1 billion Muslims to condemn it. On the Western side, it's about how "queer/black Palestinians are also suffering" or "X invention was actually made by a Palestinians somehow." Again This type of activism is mostly used for American minorities and gay people. Seeing it applied to anyone outside those groups in an actual ethnic cleansing situation, is uncanny.(off topic)

No. 1976979

>>1976489
i think there is something to be said for female authors who write sci fi and fantasy being lumped into the YA category when their books are objectively not YA, regardless of quality. i think xiran is obnoxious but i don’t think she’s wrong that there is misogyny at play, though not in the way she means bc she’s just trying to dismiss criticism. many female authors have been open about how publishers have told them to age down their characters so they can publish them as YA rather than as adult fantasy. YA is a category featuring teen protagonists and certain themes like coming of age, not a genre or shorthand for digestible, mass market popcorn fiction.

No. 1977005

>>1975539
kazuo ishiguro is good though

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>>1974938
Finally, some drama that do not involve Xir-

>acts like a 'mediator'


God dammit! She's like herpes!

No. 1977089

>>1976979
that's not misogyny, that's just publishers trying to sell more books. YA sells significantly better than traditional fantasy and at this point it literally IS "a genre or shorthand for digestible, mass market popcorn fiction". and because it's a mostly female market (as is the publishing market at large), YA written by women is easier to market and sells better.

No. 1977112

>>1977089
adding to this, a lot of what is marketed as YA is not YA as it used to be. 10 years ago YA always had teenage protagonists only. nowadays many YA protagonists are in their mid-20s, maybe even older, and have actual adult struggles.

and it's not that weird that so many women choose to stay in the YA genre when moving on to more grown up genres means that you either have to read incredibly misogynistic schlock (because the adult fantasy/scifi genre is dominated by moids) or pseudo deep ruminations about adult women wanting to have babies, having had babies, or wondering if they should have babies. if these two are the main choices i'd stay within the confines of "18-25 year old female protagonist saves the world" too.

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>>1975519
>>1976589
The Zuko stand-in being white isn't that out of place, if you've ever been involved in the Zutura fandom. A lot of them often had Zuko being a white guy (a few times middle eastern), and the Katara being black or Indian. There was actually a whole discourse about how the Asianness of Zuko was being taken away. This was around 2017, so I don't know how much that's changed.

No. 1977195

>>1976817
I feel bad for these poc authors because I do agree that they should have the chance to write the same tropes that white authors got to write and find success in but these X but (their culture) books never do well :/

I don’t understand how you can be an author and not truly understand the book that you’re drawing inspo from…(:/)

No. 1977196

>>1976910
Isn’t it funny that no matter how diverse the fmc and cast of characters is, no matter how anti-colonial the narrative is, the love interest is always tall and white? :)(racebait :))

No. 1977199

>>1977112
18-25 is new adult but new adult isn’t an official (tradpub) genre so ya has slowly been pushing and pushing the upper bounds of protagonists’ ages. 19 used to be a very uncommon YA protagonist age but there’s so many now. So many college YA books popping up too. YA is a kitchen sink of tropes aimed towards middle aged women and has a very large audience.

No. 1977295

>>1977195
That's because the same people that ask for "diverse" or "same tropes that got to write and find success" do not read the books after all. That's why I find amusing how Xiran claims her Iron Boring book is SOOOOO popular that a movie is made, but there are no updates about said movie, nor news about a new movie about certain book.

That's why if someone wants to write/draw something from their culture, their first fan must be their own. Imagine releasing a book you hate but people love it.

No. 1977392

I’m not sure if anyone has ever heard this but I remember an author saying that just because a book seems popular online and has goodreads ratings, doesn’t mean it’s actually selling well because some of these books are pirated soooo bad. Does anyone have any clue what books these could be? A YA author said this(sage ur shit)

No. 1977394

>>1977112
There are more literary options besides sexist slop and ya garbage, you would know this if you actually read books.(infighting)

No. 1977414

>>1976817
>The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one.
These people who are writers of cheap copies of an original without respect for said original and only wanting to capitalize don't get compassion from me, they were doomed to fail from the start. People only "cared" because they got to virtue signal how woke they are and how bad JKR is
>>1976883
>Molly actually wrote a review where she gives herself 5 stars and justified her shit book
god that's embarrassing to get caught doing lmao

No. 1977417

>>1977394
nta but if I go to my local bookstores now the entire fantasy shelf is 50% tolkien reprints and the rest is sexy tiktok books. it didn't used to be like this… wish i was exaggerating

No. 1977429

>>1977414
>god that's embarrassing to get caught doing lmao
I don't think she had to get caught, she probably did it officially with her own account on Goodreads. A lot of authors who are on there do it to be cute (give 5 stars and say "I wrote this" or whatever), so she isn't special in that regard. It's still pretty cringe.

No. 1977431

>>1977417
i never see any of these tiktok romantasy books at fantasy shelves in stores, only game of thrones, neil gaiman, the witcher series and all the other moid garbage that has destroyed the genre

No. 1977434

>>1977431
>i never see any of these tiktok romantasy books at fantasy shelves in stores
Ayrt, i am very jealous of that! All the bookstores here have "as seen on tiktok", "tiktok sensation" etc tags and it makes me want to cry. Just for the record, I find the other half of "classics" reprints (which is 80% tolkien and like dune or GoT) to also be bad and annoying. If I wanted to read those I would have done it by now.

No. 1977435

>>1977434
yeah my local stores also have "popular on booktok" stickers on shit sometimes, i just never see any of these fantasy romance books - it's more of the normie shit like my year of rest and relaxation etc that gets marketed using tiktok labels though

No. 1977773

>>1974603
The concerns each poster is addressing is so wild. OP is talking the author getting harassed while the QT is like "nuh-uh WoC just reviewed it". This is the world that tumblr created.
Were there book/author dramas like this pre-tumblr?

No. 1977778

>>1976049
>>1977773

There was drama, but it was usually intracommunity and not to this insane extent

No. 1977781

>>1968370
Is Xiran's main audience teenage girls? For a while YA feels like it's adult children/women stuck in their tumblr phase writing for other women stuck in their tumblr phase. No one even pretends like it's for teens anymore

No. 1977953

>>1977781
I feel her audience are tifs, TRAs, fujos and anybody who think supporting a woc creator is "woke enough", even if she wrote the book for herself.

No. 1977993

>>1977773
Tbh, the first seeds were already present in the LJ-era starting with events like the 2009 Race Fail, but people back then saw it more like an one-off fandom drama always instigated by the same weirdos from their small online corner rather than the emergence of a new all-encompassing cultural standard. The general dynamics were different too because people were attempting to push back against SWJ arguments in a way that would be unimaginable now and causing an internet fight, so it was less of a pile-up on a single person deemed to have committed the sin of impure thought that now must be mercilessly purged, while everyone else look on, clap and pray that they wouldn't be chosen next. People also spent magnitudes less time being online and cared less, the bastardization of theories from American identity studies hadn't been refined into the weapon for witch hunts it is today, and the idea that the prime goal of YA literature should be to fight SWJ culture wars was simply not a thing.
Even YA read by adults was not really a thing! Seems like a different world now.

No. 1977998

>>1977953
I cannot imagine anything more stupid than writing for the woke crowd when they're know to change their opinion drastically every few years and to cancel and ruin the lives of people for past "wrongthink", aka what they themselves were also preaching 3 years ago. You can literally only lose and your expiration date is short.

No. 1978027

>>1977998
I skimmed through it and there are certain elements I feel could probably be labeled as 'problematic' If someone wanted to argue about it, the description of the Mongol stand-in could be deemed insensitive, even though they barely appear and are portrayed as noble savagaes, also the giant mechas they pilot are from various ancient Chinese mythological figures but each one comes from a different region, So if you really wanted to reach, you could say she's appropriating inter-Chinese culture and I guess you could argue that it's disrespectful to various ancient Chinese figures.

No. 1978098

>>1976979
>YA is a category featuring teen protagonists and certain themes like coming of age
i knew dune and a song of ice and fire should be under YA

No. 1978107

>>1978027
IIRC that's why no Chinese book publisher has contacted her, since the book is quite disrespectful to Chinese culture. You would think it would be quite popular since it was published in Japan, but then again, there's an anime where the characters have powers related to the writer they're acting like.

No. 1978279

>>1977998
ur right but also how would you distinguish writing for clowns who reblog tumblr callout posts versus writing a fantasy story that has a gay couple or black people or whatever in it

No. 1978285

>>1978279
>ur right but also how would you distinguish writing for clowns who reblog tumblr callout posts versus writing a fantasy story that has a gay couple or black people
A normal person would just write a normal gay or black couple.
Someone who panders would write a gay trans masc man who falls in love with a bi mixed race non-binary poc man, the couple also has a third love interest because being poly is heckin' valid uwu making it a throuple. The trans masc spends a lot of time talking to people about the hardships of being trans, and they all validate her. She'll run her hand across the thunder-like pattern on her chest, she'll gently touch the stubble on her own face, gazing deep, deep into her own navel.
The half-white poc spends a chunk of the story examining his own privilege for being half-white in this fantasy world where race doesn't matter at all (except all the bad people are white somehow). He ultimately proves himself worthy despite his sin of being half-white when he heroically defends his trans masc partners honor by refering to her as a REAL man.

I'm just saying… you can usually tell what the intentions were.

No. 1978293

>>1978279
Normally, by not advertising the story in the same way clown shit is advertised. No fanfic tags, no describing characters or plots like a Twitter bio, no therapy speak, no author drama that you really care about.
>>1978285
You forgot to mention the extremely tone-deaf and insanely racist representation of all the other pee oh cees, who are written so badly that even minstrel show producers from 1950s Alabama would be offended.

No. 1978322

>>1978279
It comes in various levels of virtue signaling and pandering. You'll know right away what category it falls into based on how they describe the character(s). I think some of it is cashing in on a demographic that'll say how good of a person they are for reading "diverse" books. Some of it comes off like "I added this disabled, queer, poc, activist side character that everyone loves, so please don't yell at me." It's not as bad in the lesbian fiction I've read, but it can get pretty invasive in the gay stuff to the point that the "lovable" 5-minute side character comes off as just as insufferable as in real life.

>>1978285
>I'm just saying… you can usually tell what the intentions were.
Exactly this. If the story's hitting all of the tumblr hot points of the moment, then it's definitely pandering and aiming for quick fame and cash. But I have to wonder how much cash is to be made off the virtue signaling tumblr crowd? My experience is seeing reblogs in the tune of "I wish I had money to buy this, but you guys need to buy and read this book!" And when you look at reviews of said book, it's badly paced, poorly written, and if someone paid an editor, no on can tell.

Anymore, it seems like you don't have to write a good book, just have good marketing.

No. 1978525

>>1978322
>Anymore, it seems like you don't have to write a good book, just have good marketing.
That's the sad truth and why tiktok/youtube authors are "best sellers" despite writing shitty or mediocre books. Then they mistake their own internet fame for actual skill and get a big head like Xiran

No. 1978632

>>1978285
>> the thunder-like pattern
The fuck does thunder look like? You mean lightening?

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I don't get why xiran finds someone saying she looks chinese weird when she is, and being chinese is her entire online personality and her poorly written books are all about chinese culture and being chinese?
>>1978632
it's almost like it was poorly written on purpose to make fun of troon pandering kek

No. 1978961

>>1978817
it's like >>1960969 said, she's always making herself look as the most chinese chinese person to have ever chinesed. i think she's mixed (iirc) so i guess she has a complex about it but acts all unbothered when someone points out how obvious her hardcore chinese-ing is.

No. 1979592

>>1978961
I wouldn't be surprised if she's mixed with a Chinese mother, the way she shows herself like the most Chinese person in whole China shows she only makes herself being Chinese like a personality.

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Seems like Tundra editorial is not going to publish Iron Boring and other editorial will do. How many days do you think this will last?

No. 1981155

What's the story with Huck and Puck books?

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>>1981095
That’s a bookstore, not a publisher.

No. 1981211

>>1981207
your telling me this is real and not a parody?

No. 1981257

>>1981211
Eh, looks like they put a lot of effort into promoting small press published stuff which is pretty cool.

No. 1981263

>>1981207

Pride was a mistake.(sage your shit)

No. 1981309

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Is posting author cringe allowed ITT?

No. 1981312

>>1981309
How is this cringe? Not being mean or anything just confused kek

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>>1981312
nayrt idk but i suppose it's because she's showing it off but the cover is tacky as shit? i love how they just drew the eiffel tower standing in the middle of nowhere like there isn't a whole ass city around it. the catacombs are overrated too, most of them are just disused old mine quarries, not some mythical spooky underworld.
also sounds like yet another of these books that is marketed as some other genre but is just thinly disguised romance

No. 1981319

>>1981312
>Anglo author taking pic in front of Eiffel tower
>Bottom of the barrel fanfic tier plot
>All this hype for the cover which then looks retarded
It's cringe to me.

No. 1981329

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Books come with trigger warning lists now?

No. 1981333

>>1981329
This is the corniest shit I've ever seen, and def not the first book to do so. The absolute state of literature. "your mental health matters" kek this is so tacky. Why people need a fucking book to remind them of that?

No. 1981339

>>1981329
next step will be to directly list all the "representation" like they already do in reviews on Goodreads, like ~bipoc mc, tranny love interest, 5 genderqueer sidekicks, muslim/disabled/other race characters etc, because THAT is what readers really need to know

No. 1981340

>>1981207
So are you telling me Tundra editorials are still on the Iron Book even after Xiran shows her cow attitude? No idea if being disappointed, amused or both.

No. 1981368

>>1981329
>>1981339
Tells me what books to avoid at least, if the authour or publisher is that much of a retard I doubt the book would be any good. I went into Cows completely blind and while that was a very unenjoyable read that I dropped quickly even something like that doesn't need trigger warnings. God these people are so internet rotten, if you are upset by the topics in a book and you're half way through and don't want to continue reading just read something else, it's not that hard.

No. 1981382

>>1981329
>car crash
>grief and loss
>mental illness
>orgasm denial????
~trigger warnings~ should not exist in books at all but this is just silly and goofy, maybe the "writer" is trolling kek

No. 1981389

>>1981329
It's pretty common for indie romances to have trigger warning lists nowadays, especially dark romances. It's retarded but increasingly expected amongst the indie romance readership. If an author doesn't do this, there's a chance that crybullies will attack them over 'problematic' content or whatever. These lists aren't the norm for trad pub books, so there's that at least

No. 1981394

Trigger warnings lol.
It's so fucking pandering. Just give me the cheap thrills and get the fuck out of my therapist's chair.

No. 1981404

>>1981329
if the book has a two page trigger warning list it's either including mundane shit that wouldn't actually trigger anyone and disrespects people with ptsd turning it into nothing, or the book should literally just start with "this is a book with dark themes, turn back now if you're sensitive to anything". And I doubt it's the latter.
It'd be nice to know if a non-dark book involves rape/serious sexual harassment or domestic assault going in for example, but when you start adding every little thing it's obvious you don't care about real triggers for people with ptsd and only virtue signaling. I have an old book which warns about a graphic rape as the book didn't look that dark at all going in which I think is reasonable. I think it's nice actually if it's done reasonably and respectfully which nowadays it feels like they're usually not.

No. 1981453

>>1981329
that just feels like a tag list in disguise

No. 1981467

>>1981453
Because that's what it is

No. 1981940

>>1967760
it returned.

No. 1981979

>>1981940
Xiran thinking that selling books her butt has touched as a sexual favor for fetishists makes her look like a respectable author and not just trashy as fuck amazes me. She makes both female and Asian authors look bad but of course she gives zero shits as long as she gets to flex about the money she gets from it.

No. 1982024

>>1981979
She probably thinks it was bought by a queer fan, but probably was bought by a horrid moid with a fetish.

No. 1982182

>>1982024
I assure you she knows that women are not attracted to her in the same way that she is not attracted to women

No. 1982196

>>1982182
Considering how misogynist her self-insert oc is, I'm not surprised.

No. 1982249

>>1982024
>a queer fan
>horrid moid with a fetish
nona those are the same thing kek

but yeah no despite her readership most likely being dominantly female no woman would ever buy a book for 4k because a medicore female authour rubbed her butt on it, that's just moid behaviour

No. 1983543

File: 1712509022499.png (21.32 KB, 623x155, xiran.png)

>>1982249
After this tweet, I'm not surprised if she knows the moid that bought her butt rubbed book is a white moid.

No. 1983655

>>1983543
She says as if left wing "feminist" males aren't also known for being "exotic" fetishists. Especially cause most grew up with asian porn as teens and are even more bold about being open about their porn usage in leftist spaces. As opposed to the right who get their "yellow fever" out in other ways (or at least keep it hidden unless in spaces that openly fetishize "submissive" Asian women).
Sad day when no feminists remember to mock the concepts of "not all men"

No. 1984253

>>1983543
And they are the males she sells fetish books her butt has touched to and brags about it online, so who is she to talk like she disapproves of them? She is willingly pandering to and attracting them

No. 1986273

File: 1713365998525.png (60.84 KB, 586x348, dropped.png)

Apparently Xiran's literary agency and her agent dropped her KEK. Gee, who could've seen that coming? She and her agent (@RachMBrooks) don't follow each other anymore and her agent has been removed from her site. I'm not an expert on the publishing industry but trying to find a new agent can be difficult, especially if the author was basically "fired". I wonder if she'll be able to get someone to represent her again

No. 1986275

>>1986273
I wonder if she'll blame it on her activism, meanwhile booktok author has been posting pro-Palestine content daily.

No. 1986278

>>1986275
I wish someone would post the leaked screenshot someone on Xiran's close friends list took of the letter she got. I'm dying to know if it said what the reason they dropped her was. I wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with the fact that Xiran mobilized her fanbase to attack her publisher and "zionist" editor over him not returning her edits so she can keep working on Heavenly Tyrant.

No. 1986314

File: 1713375922234.jpeg (322.81 KB, 828x1592, IMG_3457.jpeg)

>>1986273
xiran replied

No. 1986317

File: 1713376046061.jpeg (203.31 KB, 828x1283, IMG_3459.jpeg)

>>1986314
and then started vagueposting

No. 1986355

>>1986317
>>1986314
>>1986273
schadenfreude. couldn't have happened to a more insufferable woman!

No. 1986423

>>1986355
If she had a character songs, it would be this one.

No. 1986456

>>1959094
What Cait Corrain did was shitty, but it always made me feel weird how much Xiran enjoyed gloating about how she destroyed the career of someone who was clearly having a serious mental health crisis, and I wonder how she feels now that the shoe's on the other foot kek(sage your shit)

No. 1986548

>>1986275
>>1986314
nailed it with trying to blame it on the keyboard “activism.” even just looking at that hugo awards comment, rf kuang was also in those articles about being disqualified and has been outspoken about things on social media like supporting palestine and the harpercollins union back in 2022. she wasn’t dropped by her agent tho, probably because she makes them money instead of posting on twitter all day.

No. 1986581

>>1986273
>>1986423
KEK
seriously tho, this was obviously going to happen?! you can't just act like a diva dick online and think people will put up with it

No. 1986592

>>1986548
>>1986581
This is probably the first time she's been unable to bully or pay her way out of consequences. Xiran's life skills consist of wearing the cheapest Aliexpress costumes she can find and sperging out online until her loyal mob solves whatever she's mad about. Wonder why that didn't work this time?
RF Kuang is on a completely different level despite being another keyboard activist. She didn't get dropped by her agent, her work is praised by both critics and the general public, and she actually writes the books she's been paid to write. No matter how much of a nepo cow she is, or how annoying she is, she does her job and brings in money. God forbid Xiran does her job and writes her fucking book instead of shitting herself online over some retarded non-issue.

No. 1986598

>>1986456
Xiran even made a video saying "autism is not an excuse". Granted, Cait was shitty and Xiran did a good job stopping Cait, but rather that leave it in there, she milked it for her own gain.

No. 1986599

>>1986592
Don't forget also that Xiran "cosplays her husbando".

No. 1986811

File: 1713507450051.jpg (45.4 KB, 512x768, P0sHgpj.jpg)

speaking of cosplay I'm shocked no ones ever called her out for blackface or some shit over this mess of a costume. Isn't darkening your skin for cosplay a federal offense in whatever fantasy land she lives in?

No. 1986885

>>1986811
I thought she was cosplaying temperance brennan for a second not a black character lol, that's very unwoke of her

No. 1986896

File: 1713535187515.webp (183.08 KB, 384x512, MTXX_20180717173445-1.jpg)

>>1986811
KEK imagine if booktok caught wind of this, she'd get obliterated. there's no way in hell she didn't edit herself darker

No. 1986955

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>>1986811
>>1986896
I think her fans would claim "she has olive skin, that's called tanning" or some bullshit to not call it blackface. But China has a bad image being racist to anybody, it would make a huge deal in booktok.

No. 1987092

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>>1959094
Would be a real tragedy if someone sent this to some of her most sanctimonious minions– I mean fans with a big following.
>>1986955
But imagine if they put that side by side with THIS one. Now we've got skin darkening AND skin lightening. It would be pretty hard for her to talk her way out of that one KEK(cowtipping bait)

No. 1987095

tagged the wrong post kill me I meant to tag
>>1986811

No. 1987098

File: 1713564958901.jpg (796.82 KB, 768x1025, Vqd26Mo.jpg)

There's also THIS fucking gem. Didn't we all know Gal Godot was Israeli from the getgo? Where was her Palestinian activism then?

No. 1987105

>>1987098
"But she's cosplaying the character, not the actress!", one of her many minions.

No. 1987106

>>1987105
the shit people can get away with when they have over 100k followers is fucking lunacy. People like her who get off on being The Most Morally Correct Paragons of Social Justice are always the worst kind of human garbage and every day I wake up hoping that people will finally realize what a hypocrite she is.(multiple unsaged posts, learn to sage)

No. 1987251

>>1986811
kek she is one pissed of fellow book-toker away from getting badly cancelled forever with this picture, oh how the tables have turned for little miss blackface

No. 1987439

File: 1713655633515.png (209.85 KB, 598x528, Freydis Moon.png)

Finally some book drama that do not involve Xiran (yet).

It seems like Freddy Moon turned out to be a white person with five "pen names" and not a woc. And Twitter is taking it exactly like you're expecting.

No. 1987450

>>1959094
wasn't she the one who actually dropped cait's name on twitter first? What is it with these people being guilty of the same shit as the people they're calling out?(Replying to OP of thread instead of the post being referred to)

No. 1987453

File: 1713662596648.png (18.15 KB, 598x158, Freydis Moon Cait.png)

>>1987450
Seems so?

No. 1987518

>>1987439
Never heard of this person before but Freydis Moon sounds like some wannabe edgy norse god inspired name kek
Pen names aren't unusual and makes sense if you want to separate genres, what did she actually do to fake being black?

No. 1987592

>>1987518
That's the thing: The problem to booktok is not the multiple pen names but the fact that she is a white woman doing blackface and being a bully claiming everybody is racist against her.

No. 1987666

>>1987592
tbf bullying someone under one name while comforting them under a different identity is LOW behaviour. Very psycho.

No. 1987778

>>1987592
>The problem to booktok is not the multiple pen names but the fact that she is a white woman doing blackface
Then why did y'all not say so or provide screenshots lmao some nonas shouldn't ever work as milkmaids.
Sorry not an attack on any nona, just think it's hilarious a person was doing blackface and anons just reported on the least offensive part instead

No. 1987792

>>1987778
Could be worse, it would be Xiran saying all the drama like she did with Cat.

No. 1988385

>>1975380

lol - kinda great seeing someone encounter chinese poltard internet trolls. Those guys are hardcore.

No. 1988788

>>1987439

ugh I wish more nonnas were talking about this drama - it's so milky and encompasses everything wrong with woketok kek.

apparently she already had 2 pen names, got into minor cancellation, vanished, came back with pen name #3, got exposed by some twitter user with farmer levels of sleuthing skills, vanished again, came back with pen name #4 but got exposed by having almost the same writings in their drafts. and get this, they also got signed by a literary agent who couldn't identify that this person is white, due to the fact that she didn't want to video call because of "muh dysphoria". literally catfished her way into fame.

Oh and she wasn't really blackfishing, more like brownfishing (""latinx""). she seemed deeply into it too. maybe she's like a mexican Rachel Dolezal (btw i got all this from Cindy's video but I didn't want to link that sperg)

No. 1988946

>>1987778
>>1988788
so what did she actually do?

No. 1989734

File: 1714278812960.png (381.96 KB, 625x740, 𝕏iran.png)

Seems like Xiran got an appendicitis. I'm glad she survived, but I hope she can take a rest from social me-

>checks her Twitter


Damn.

No. 1990052

>>1989734
you can treat appendicitis, but there's no cure for whatever it is that's wrong with her personality

No. 1991271

>>1988788
>ugh I wish more nonnas were talking about this drama
you do it yourself then! i wasn't following it but would have looked into it if some milk was provided first
>>1989734
this literally used to be a meme to mock young people addicted to social media, she has terminal online brainrot

No. 1992187

>>1986592
I don't think Kuang even has the time or energy to engage in online discourse considering she's currently doing her phd, this is after completing 2 masters' and writing books. Xiran on the other hand seems to just live eternally online and has nothing else goingon

No. 1992188

>>1983543
I remember really liking her Mulan video but after she wrapped it up with her book promo I was a bit confused but whatever, you know go get that bread. Now it feels like she just made that video to kickstart her online brand/persona to promote her books

No. 1992414

File: 1715094252571.png (1.25 MB, 1439x2214, 1000006793.png)

Gee wiz I wonder why nobody is taking find+replace One Direction Wattpad fanfic seriously

No. 1992422

>>1992414
Is she fucking serious? she had her self-insert fan-fic brought to life and she's still complaining.

No. 1992424

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>>1970405
Of course the moid couldn't help but coom at everything, including its own creations. Ffs

No. 1992463

>>1992414
Oh nooo, god forbid they didn’t treat your very deep & philosophical Harry Styles wankfest with the artistic gravity it deserved

No. 1992569

File: 1715144930877.png (501.47 KB, 1042x747, R F Kuang.png)

>>1992187
Kuang used to be milkworthy, but she deleted her blog. But here's an example of her seething in her book.

No. 1992580

>>1992569
She's not wrong though

No. 1992585

>>1992580
If she were writing just regular fantasy novels, it wouldn't really be an issue, but It's the fact that she's with a white guy while all her works (except the Poppy War) feature racist imperialist white men destroying everything, while her plucky band of BIPOCs stand united(like she depicted 1800s China as a place that would be tolerant towards black people)

No. 1992596

>>1992585
No, miscegenation is never an issue. Try again.

No. 1992606

>>1992569
kuang's yellowface book is cow-worthy, it's basically her martyring her self insert and dunking on the haterz. most twitterbrained book i've ever read. zero literary value.
unlike xiran though she at least knows how to behave like a professional.

No. 1992614

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>>1992424
I know

No. 1992633

>>1992569
It's hilarious how much she seethes over white women in her books and always makes them the villain because they're so evil and a bunch of colonizers meanwhile her "partner" is a white scrote. KEK how typical(racebaiting)

No. 1992637

>>1992596
The issue isn't miscegenation but hypocrisy. She claims to be a defender of "asian americans" but she only says negative things about asian men in her book. She claims that "white people" are a race of evil but she's dating a white person. She claims to represent authentic "asian culture" but she believes, support, and values nothing an american would not. And when someone points out her hypocrisy, she only seethes at them in her book. This isn't a person who deserves recognition.

No. 1993052

File: 1715294321078.jpg (63.22 KB, 1198x278, YhzQQdF.jpg)

Somehow this is ~notice me sempai~ and fishing for compliments at the same time.

No. 1993055

>>1992569
Kuang is a cow but the Asian dudes harassing her are straight crazies wtf

No. 1993131

>>1993055
Those are strawmen she made up in her book to attack her self-insert mary sue

No. 1993141

>>1993131
damn can't feel sorry for her anymore.

No. 1993148

>>1993131
But that's exactly what they do. It's not a secret how netizens behave towards "traitors".

No. 1993213

>>1993148
>WAMF [sic] is how you get Eliot [sic] Rodger
The typos are clear indications that Kuang is just making up strawmen. No "netizen" could possibly mistake the acronym in real life. (Could "lmao" ever become "lamo"?) Rather, Kuang has created a make believe world where everyone who criticizes her self-insert is also a spiteful idiot. Do you think anyone in real life hacked her website and filled it with pornography, like she wrote in her book? It's all a fantasy.

No. 1993525

>>1993213
If you scroll up you can literally see netizens in action harrassing a cow author for writing white man/asian woman. Continuously whining that Kuang didn't portray the harrassment 1:1 is strange and nitpicky.

No. 1993527

>>1993525
>Continuously whining that Kuang is just pulling exaggerated strawmen out of her ass is strange and nitpicky.
Show me when someone hacked her website.

No. 1994022

>>1993527
>If you scroll up you can literally see netizens in action harassing a cow author for writing white man/asian woman. Continuously whining that Kuang didn't portray the harrassment 1:1 is strange and nitpicky.
Show me where I said the harassment is 1:1. Why are you so insistent on defending a bunch of not just moids, but incels at that? It doesn't make sense to me. Why do you care so much that she portrayed men slightly worse than usual? Why do their reputations matter so much to you? Why is no fiction in a fictional story allowed when men are involved?

No. 1994058

>>1994022
>defending Kuang's cowish behavior
Got anything to share to the class?

No. 1994064

>>1994058
I will always pick a cow over a disgusting pack of violent, vile scrotes and I'm surprised anyone here would feel otherwise.

No. 1994067

>>1994022
Because I'm Asian myself. Even if it's moids being harassed, I don't want someone harassing my race, with or without made up strawmen.
I don't see why you come to a cow thread to complain about farmers milking a cow.

No. 1994072

>>1994067
How are asians being racially harassed by an asian

No. 1994087

>>1994072
>How are asians (yellow on the inside) being racially harassed by an asian (white on the inside)
Kuang is the colloquial "white on the inside", which isn't wrong in itself (I'm not saying it's wrong to be "white on the inside"), except she's also a hypocrite by claiming to be the herald of "Asian" culture when she supports nothing truly at odds with Western values. I won't say anything more because this is bordering on racebaiting.

No. 1994112

>>1994064
I actually agree with this. If wishing bodily harm on someone isn't kosher on a board like this where basically anything goes, then it seems equally fucked to celebrate people doing it somewhere else.

Kuang is insufferable, but there has to be a line somewhere.

No. 1994126

>>1994112
But no one has threatened Kuang with physical violence. The line hasn't been crossed.(derailing)

No. 1994231

>>1994126
Why are you lying on behalf of incels(derailing/infighting)

No. 1994289

>>1994231
Show me the part where someone threatened Kuang with physical violence.(derailing)

No. 1994885

>>1993052
kek this is so cringe. even though xiran is a published author who's supposed to be expert in history while cindy is (still) just a youtuber. she realized cindy is more popular and well-liked than her, as cowish as she is. I guess that's one way to market yourself after you lost your publisher and your agent

No. 1996235

>>1992569
What's funny is that the white bf in her book is horrible and abusive, so even in her retarded fantasy, Kuang accidentally proves her strawmen right.

No. 1996672

File: 1716343606514.png (964.31 KB, 598x1444, cuba.png)

How much she bought this flag from Aliexpress.

No. 1996724

>>1996672
Ngl cuba.png took me the fuck out. That flag is as flimsy as the impact her “activism” has on the world.

>>1994885
She’s been quieter than usual on twitter recently. Did we ever hear more about her publisher serving her legal papers or her agent dropping her?

No. 1996973

>>1996672
The worst part is treating a flag like a sofa throw blanket and letting an animal sit on it is hugely fucking disrespectful. These people are so used to troons having crumbled up cum stained trans flags everywhere that they don't even know how to treat a flag

No. 1997018

>>1996973
IIRC Islam has a more profound respect for cats than dogs, so she should be glad that it wasn't a pup. Extremists would have told her to stay away from Palestine if she was going to disrespect their flag.

No. 1997127

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Pinoshit is Pinoshit, but wearing an Allende shirt while being queer and all is like wearing a Che Guevara shirt knowing he was quite homophobic and was OK about killing gay people.

No. 1997367

>>1974595
>>1975412

this is so true, this just feels like shit flinging for shit flinging's sake, the both the hijabi and Molly's books seem like shit, and this is probably the most attention they deserve. I realize this is old milk by now but I saw this video today and allegedly the "doxing" being mentioned by the Muslim reveiwer is that Molly apparently mentioned her "private GR account" kek. She also left good reviews for sister's book and was fighting with the people who disagreed with her. this is simply cow on cow violence.

No. 1997369

>>1996672
Oh, Muslims and especially Palestinians would NOT like this, has anyone cancelled her for this very flagrant disrespect yet kek

No. 1997433

>>1997369
Considering most of the "To the river to the sea" mob prefer to ignore any disrespect for real Palestinians for brownie points, I'm surprised they didn't say something, specially placing the flag like a rug rather than hang it.

No. 1997592

>>1997127
To be fair outside of the Western left, the base assumption about gays by the eastern block was that they were "decadent bourgeoisie" and degenerates and the solution was always sending them to labor camps.

No. 1997955

File: 1716768735712.png (545.42 KB, 509x906, Instagram.png)

>>1997592
>is like wearing a Che Guevara shirt

Is not Che Guevara himself, but surprised, not surprised.

No. 1999655

File: 1717247732550.jpeg (225.19 KB, 750x654, IMG_7492.jpeg)

unless you’re on book/authortwt you probably havent heard of her but within the last couple of days, she lost (or parted ways with) her agent.

shes someone known for dunking on traditional publishing not supporting black people, queer people. usually gets in drama (was in that molly x chang drama for example). i think she makes valid points at times but i just dont think ranting on twitter and having street cred among terminally online authors is worth risking a writing career for…

No. 1999853

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What happened with the Ukrainian publisher is horrible, but from all the photos they took about the damage, it has to be Xiran's.

No. 2001187

>>1999853
to be fair milking her for social media pity points is a good plan because she's a loudmouth activist before she's an author

No. 2002540

File: 1717886867259.png (822.01 KB, 1080x1080, why.png)

these… have been posted on 57 y/o richard siken's twitter

No. 2002663

>>2002540
I don't get it. You think there's an age limit to be writing boring but completely above board literary porn? I thought I was going to see CP or something.

No. 2002776

>>2002663
did you not look at the captions nonna? they're references to memes posted by fourteen year old twitter fags.

No. 2003293

>>2002776
>they're references to memes posted by fourteen year old twitter fags
Why on earth would I know what 14 year olds are doing on twitter

No. 2010924

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tracy wolff is being sued for plagiarism. apparently her editor/agent sold her another author's manuscript and she used it to write the crave series. i didn't read the series but you probably know the cover(s) because they look a lot like twilight's original covers. here's the entire document detailing all the similarities: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21564103-lynne-freeman-v-tracyt-wolff-crave-copyright-complaint

No. 2011007

guess we know why neil gaiman uses tumblr now. he's like a higher IQ onision(sage your shit)

No. 2011075

>>2011007
dont just say vague shit without bringing the milk anon.

No. 2011078

File: 1720053318006.png (2.73 MB, 1480x3672, screencapture-cbr-neil-gaiman-…)

>>2011075
NTA but here you go. He's an alleged rapist, picrel.
https://www.cbr.com/neil-gaiman-sexual-assault-allegations/
And here is the Tortoise media article about it, from June 3: https://www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/07/03/exclusive-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault/

No. 2011082

>>2010924
ive heard this was a long time coming. imagine being known for being an author of a rip off of twilight but also a rip off of someone elses manuscript. at that point you're just a facisimile of an author and a person, entirely a skinwalker lmao. crave is absolute fucking trash and the laziest twilight clone you can find but I still feel bad for the original writer

No. 2011093

>>2011078
Reddit and tumblrfags are already saying that this is a TERF conspiracy to take him down due to his long standing support of troonism. Every woman who defends Gaiman's victims is gonna be called a TERF now by sweaty, fat comic bro trannies. Mass peaking incoming.

No. 2011134

>>2011078
Not to be a tin foiler but I have noticed a correlation with men who bat for troons/try to shit stir about "terfs" usually being out months later as this, so sadly this isnt a shock.

No. 2011138

>>2011078
this reads more like a 'agreed to sex they didn't end up enjoying' and 'idol take advantage of his young, impressionable fans'. this might could have get him into some trouble in the heyday of metoo, but nobody care about sexual abuse allegation of white women anymore. he'll get through it unscaved.

No. 2011139

>>2011138
Besides the part where one of the women (allegedly) said "Don't put anything in my vagina" and he proceeded to do just that anyway?

No. 2011169

>>2011138
IANAL but the violent shit in new zealand might not be illegal there, but is illegal in the UK now, and the UK laws are extra judicial for sex offences for over 18s now, and the laws that applied in the UK at the time about choking/causing injury already existed, so it's not retrospective to charge him for them when he sets foot in the uk.

No. 2011175

>>2011169
Can you link or screenshot those laws anon, I've never heard of them (britbong)

No. 2011178

>>2011175
the change was in 2021 tacked onto a domestic abuse act
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2021/17/schedule/3/paragraph/2/enacted

Before then, it was only sex crimes against under 18s that were extra judicial (to stop sex tourists).

No. 2011185

>>2011178
oh wait its called extraterritorial jurisdiction not extra judicial lol

No. 2011268

>>2011178
So there was basically a loophole which meant a British person could commit certain crimes outside the UK and avoid arrest in the UK, which they now closed. Kinda does look like Gaiman may get arrested next time he visits the UK.

No. 2011578

Xiran in Xiran stuff.

No. 2011824

>>2011578
Nitpick but I hate the way she does her eyeliner.

No. 2012527

>>2010924
damn it sounds like they've really got a case here. i'm surprised there isn't coverage of this elsewhere, just a reddit post or two and some book review websites. should be bigger news than it is given how apparently popular the series was.

No. 2015705

File: 1721188004476.png (32.6 KB, 598x241, Francesca Tacchi.png)

>Comparing the IDF with Unit 371

The Unit 371 did more than torture and killing, and they got free because the unit gave the "results" to the American Government for "science result".

I understand Palestinian lovers do want the conflict to end, but the comparisons and calling Israel "colonizers" when they were living even longer than any of them is so stupid at this point, I cannot take them seriously.(bait)

No. 2015755

>>2015705
Palestinians have the exact same DNA as the jews who actually stayed in the area lol. They're the same people.

No. 2018283

File: 1721843090933.png (3.48 MB, 1600x2560, YeQsz5U.png)

I think one of the biggest problems with many modern "queer" booktok stories is that they take a traditional story and just make it "gay" (or pseudo-gay), but often with less charm and weaker world-building.

No. 2021253

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A third woman has come forward with allegations against author Neil Gaiman
https://open.spotify.com/episode/47enk8V96GGkJtXEgwpXbs?si=QfIr4rJdR6Kio-kIr5LJOA&nd=1&dlsi=d3aa4f163593404a

link to the previous discussions
>>>/snow/2011044
>>>/snow/2012596

No. 2021255

>>2018283
I fucking hate how ~politically correct~ people will always draw Asians with the brightest yellow skin possible.

No. 2021256

samefag, while the extent of the abuse is new this behavior from neil has been common knowledge among his fanbase for some time now. He had a habit of sleeping with much younger goth groupies, cheating on his partners and neglecting his family, I mean just look at vidrel

No. 2021261

>>2021255
Lol I think she's supposed to be an Altmer or something.

No. 2021334

>>2018283
The writing is always shit. Is it just me or do all of the books like your picrel have the same Tumblr writing style? Quirky don't-need-no-man heroines, sassy sidekicks, endless rambling paragraphs about gender that even Victor Hugo would edit out, every character is a different set of tropes but they still all act and sound like each other, and the characters act in ways that make no goddamn sense. I know all these authors are Tumblrinas at their core but the drivel they churn out is so samey that it's hard to believe it's not some conspiracy involving a handful of subpar fanfic writers and chat gpt.

No. 2021354

>>2018283
This looks like a fanfic version of Jude/Cardan from The Cruel Prince but with a black girl lol.

But yeah you're right. I read The Bone Shard daughter series a while back. There's a lesbian couple but one of them is super butch and the other one is super femme. It's literally just a generic as possible straight relationship but both of them have vaginas. Seems to be the case with most of these books.

No. 2021412

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>>2021255
These artists should get references from real people's Pantone, not use those shitty "skin tones" from Tumblr. You can compare it with the character >>2021261 said and is not the same shade of olive skin.

No. 2021443

>>2021255
But anon if they don't draw them with yellow skin people might mistake them for icky white oppressors!

No. 2021445

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No. 2021450

>>2021334
I kinda dislike the portrayal of female characters that are described as "badass" and effortlessly gorgeous, which wokies seem to insist on including in fantasy or historical works. I find it particularly frustrating when these characters are contrasted with more conventional female characters who are often depicted as shallow and dimb. Personally, I would prefer a book with an all-male cast rather than having to endure this representation of the "cool girl" archetype.

No. 2022230

xiran needs her own thread atp. too milky

No. 2022260

What are people’s opinions on Dakota Warren?

No. 2022289

>>2022260
Shes so pretentious and annoying, but i dont know if there is anything milky? Post if there is

No. 2022326

>>2022230
Did she do something new?

No. 2024872

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Xiran received an award at Glasgow Worldcon that doesn't appear to mean anything to anyone outside of geeks, but Xiran is making it sound like she won a Nobel prize

No. 2024873

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Her award. She also virtue signalized when picking up the award and asked the audience to donate to Gaza

No. 2024874

>>2024872
These events are extremely patronizing towards non-whites, there's a strong virtue signalling SJW culture among middle class Glaswegians they give awards to any writer as long as its a pee oh ceee(sage your shit)

No. 2024875

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No. 2024879

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>>2024872
Correcting myself, she got two awards. The Glasgow Worldcon thing and an Alfie award, apparently made specifically for people who've not been recognized by the Hugos (which is the one GRRM gave her)

No. 2024907

>>2024879
Well. Her dress is pretty.

No. 2024951

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i hate these degens

No. 2024954

>>2024951
I'm glad the wikihow illustrator is living their truth.

No. 2024962


No. 2025004

>>2024872
>Tfw an award-winning author is using internet slang and emojis
Embarrassing.

No. 2025045

>>2024872
Good for her I guess. 50 shades also won awards, doesn't mean the books were actually good

No. 2025047

>>2024951
>egg
so troon i assume?
>>2024954
kek nona

No. 2025159

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>>2024872
can't she be more milky?

>picrel


Of course.

No. 2025178

>>2025159
activist first, writer second

No. 2025351

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>>2025178
More like lolcow first, "activist" second and writer third.

No. 2025353

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>>2024951
Sometimes I don't get how editors can see cover like picrel and rather to tell to the artist "can you change this or that because it would look muddy when it's printed", they just go with it.

No. 2025394

>>2024951
what is this godawful scrotebait anime title

No. 2025432

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>>2024951
Vomits
(yes it's a troon)

No. 2025514

>>2024872
Okay but when is her next book coming out? It’s weird how she’s regarded when she only has two books out…

No. 2025558

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At least GRRM do have tons of editorial houses where he could publish as soon as he finish his book. What do you have, Xiran?

No. 2026561

>>2025351
>"muh haturs are seething"
i'm sure she'd think i'm a hater and at most i laugh and roll my eyes are her, she doesn't get she's too irrelevant to have real haters

No. 2026562

>>2025353
editors only know about texts, they're not trained in printing art but they like to pretend they are

No. 2026653

Did anyone read Anna Marie Tendler's book "Men Have Called Her Crazy?" I kinda want to express how annoyed I was with her "critique" of her professional diagnosis at the end, but I'm not sure if anyone on this site has read it or cares

No. 2027667


No. 2027803

>>2026653

is this john mulaney's ex-wife? i didn't know she wrote a book

No. 2028119

>>2027803
Yes, that's her. It came out last week. It's about how shortly after her divorce with Mulaney, she checked herself into a mental health care facility. She processes pretty much every relationship she's ever been in, and tries to show how men have essentially ruined her life. Some of it is OK, but I honestly think it's not as great as everyone says. Also she doesn't mention her marriage with Mulaney even once. Glaringly huge omission.

No. 2029060

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average booktoker

No. 2030740

>>2028119

I read it and she comes off as very insufferable. She's depended a lot on her romantic partners financially for most of her adulthood but she also resents men because she's a feminist. She writes about her understandable mental breakdown and ED after her divorce but she comes off as flexing about how ~tiny she is sometimes (mentions this a few times). She doesn't need a publishing deal, she needs to get a real job for once in her life.(sage your shit)

No. 2031515

>>2030740
I agree 100%. In the last part of the book she reeeeees about her borderline personality disorder diagnosis, saying it's because the doctors who treated her were (mostly) males and they don't understand women's plight or women's emotions.
The problem I had with this was that all her stories of her past relationships scream bpd, as well as her regular meltdowns in front of staff at the mental hospital. Self harm, being anachan, and making a series of men into essentially her "fp's" over the years, it all checks out to me. Her refusal to accept it makes her look even more bpd.
I, too, hated the lowkey bone-rattling.

No. 2031521

>>2031515
Apologies for samefag but I just realized that the book could actually be harmful to other women with bpd, though exactly how, I can't quite put into words right now …

No. 2031607

>>2031521
By encouraging them to blame their problems entirely on men instead of recognising they're sick and taking steps to improve their lives/not simply be at the mercy of men.

No. 2032858

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Sorry I bumped the thread then deleted my post, I wanted to fix the formatting.
>GRRM made a bitchy blogpost about HOTD when he's never directly commented on GOT's last seasonal blunder
>it gets removed, probably at HBO's discretion
>people call him unprofessional and lazy
>Tumblr adopts him as a girlblogger
>Of all people, Xiran comes to his vocal defense


>Archive of GRRM's post

https://web.archive.org/web/20240904154210/https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2024/09/04/beware-the-butterflies/

No. 2032860

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No. 2032864

>>2032858
I hate this fat cuck for never finishing any of his books but this made me kek. Light a fire under their ass Gurmy. But seriously this is 100% his fault for choosing AGAIN one of his buddies to direct the adaptation of his (also unfinished) book. It's the second time he gets kicked out of the writer's room at HBO which says something either about him or the people he picked. He chose those two lolcows Dumb&Dumber just because they could read theory boards which GRRM never considered because he is a fat boomer who refuses to use modern technology and thus went gaga at their genius, instead of evaluating them professionally. That sure did work out for him until it didn't. And now again he hires one of his Hollywood buddies who apparently does not respect him or his work, thinks he's better than him and goes around saying that Fire and Blood is "Master propaganda" like a total idiot just so he can scrap everything the book does right to transform it into his ultimate ultra misogynistic lesbian fetishist fantasy which, hilariously, is also a bad show.

None of this would have happened if GRRM wasn't incompetent and incapable of finishing a story. If he finished a SINGLE one of his ASOIAF stories in 10 years or so we could have gotten a new adaptation of GOT and F&B with many more to come for the rest of existence, just like Tolkien. But that's only possible if the work is completed. As things stand now this total shitshow is going to be his legacy and he's starting to seethe about it, and I dare say he deserves it.

Also Xiran is a narcissistic sow for inserting herself into drama that doesn't concern her, as usual.

No. 2033057

>>2032864
The second season of HOTD was ass. They're so obsessed with their liberal feminist virtue signaling and making all the female characters look like blameless victims that all their agency has been removed. The female characters all come across weak, incompetent, and fickle. All the bad deeds they committed in the books have been given to male characters in the show. Which just makes the female characters come across even more spineless and stupid

I'm so glad George said something. I wish retards would just adapt the source material instead of trying to "better" it at every turn. It always goes wrong when too much is changed

The way they've done alicent and rhaenyra is criminal

No. 2033064

>>2033057
this, all the women are spineless characters always being manipulated by men without any agency of their own

No. 2033079

>>2032858
He's right, especially regarding Blood and Cheese. Also for some reason people have decided Helaena is some sort of autistic representation queen which is amazingly offensive considering more then anything else she comes across as having a bad case of intellectual disability (yes tism also can count as that but it's not the only one) due to all the inbreeding

No. 2033093

>>2033079
Agreed, I see so many people claiming that they love the autism rep that they're getting from haelena but she comes across cold, weird, and slow minded. I actually don't mind her being autistic but I feel like it's portrayed in a low-key offensive way. I have an autistic family member and I have seen him mourn. He cried just like anyone else when we lost our family member, so idk why the show runners decided that all autistic people are emotionless and incapable of grieving? Just because haelena is autistic doesn't mean she can't mourn her son.

I feel like they just made her autistic so they could be disingenuous about her reaction to blood and cheese like "haelana is neurodivergent she has trouble expressing her feelings!!"

Like autistic are incapable of feeling sadness

It's bullshit and I see right through it.(sage/derail/integrate)

No. 2033245

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>>2032864
He still needs to finish the last two books of the original trilogy. Of that original trilogy, the first book became AGOT, ACOK, and ASOS, and then the abandoned five year gap became AFFC/ADWD. At this pace, you might say at a stretch he needs six books, or at minimum three if he writes something like ASOS three books in a row. People who speculate about TWOW really don't know how bad it is. (Does TWOW speculation count as on-topic milk? To me it does).
He absolutely is right though and it's lulzy as hell. He knows this is his legacy, he implied back in 2021 that this HBO deal would be career-defining. This was the chance to do-over GOT's ending and re-establish book authenticity in the showuniverse.

picrel
https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2021/04/

No. 2033348

>>2032858
He strikes me as he wants other people to finish his story, but then they go their own direction and it pisses him off. Yes hollywood writers resent having to follow someone else's work and will add their own out of spite(see witcher, what a mess) but how can you complain when your book isn't even finished. Dude is desperate to catch the high he got from the popularity of the early GOT seasons, he seriously risks leaving his book unfinished before his death, he isn't very healthy for his age

No. 2034358

>>2032858
It was different with GOT because he told D&D he will finish the books by the time they will run out of the source material, which didn’t happen. Fire and Blood is finished and Condal and Hess still fucked it up, so he has the right to be upset. Who cares if he’s ’unprofessional' or not lol, it’s his work being adapted and he can talk about it all he wants, ultimately it’s HBO profiting from his ideas.

No. 2040130

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"Here's the secret why there is so much misogyny in the book, even the MC doesn't give a fuck about women: there is no secret/sense".

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No. 2042163

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I've always liked the channel "unresolved textual tension" on youtube but lately they've gone too… gross. One host said "not all conservatives are bad, i'm fine with economic conservatives for example" prompting the other two to say that, no, ALL conservatives are bad actually.

I'm not even close to conservative in my views but to make such an idiotic statement that one political side is objectively bad in all cases (and implying that the other is the good one in all cases) proves how narrow minded they really are. Promoting political hate and divide is so tiring to begin with, no wonder their own leftist side is so full of hate they try to murder political people in the open. And the fact that the first host was the only one to have an open mind and they shot her down for it was so gross to see.

And of course they also suddenly start talking about how oppressed trans people are, and lo and behold the next book review is all about them troonz. I'm so tired of the mindless repeating of "poor rapist troons, evil womb-haver femnazis are oppressing them!!!" and when it's from a book review channel I honestly expected them to be more well researched on a topic before repeating lies like that.

No. 2042172

>>2040130
This is the same excuse GRR Martin used for why there's so much rape in his books

No. 2042241

>>2034358
Actually the lazy fuck is profiting off of and gaining more fame from the studios work, don’t act like anybody outside of book and renfaire circles truly cared about this incest rape fic before HBO snagged the rights. He signed contracts and he can wompwomp about it all he wants, as is his right, it doesn’t make him less of an unprofessional bitch for doing so kekw.

No. 2042256

>>2042163
Conservatives are bad. All of them

No. 2042535

>>2042163
yeah, I like them too but really wish they'd stick to talking about literature than anything else, particularly politics– the second they do the quality of the discussion dips and turns to very surface-level takes and jabs. Haven't bothered with their latest video about the trans ghost book or whatever it is, as I know either they or the book or both will likely be insufferable over it if it's important enough to be in the video title/thumbnail. It's slim pickings when it comes to reviewers/booktubers though, so imo they're still more tolerable than many other channels (and cover a better variety of books, which isn't hard tbh)

No. 2042599

>>2042535
I'm not clicking anything trans related because it's bound to be insufferable, but there is absolutely no way they'd put trans in the title/thumbnail unless it's there to kiss troon ass. They wouldn't dare say anything negative at all about them. It could be the shittiest most misogynistic book in the world but I'm sure they'd still make sure to mention just how brave and stunning girldicks are for raping terfy cis lesbians who oppress them by denying them sex.

I'm tinfoling here but because they've been mentioned on different lc threads a couple of times semi-recently but I suspect some of them lurk and now went public TRA to distance themselves from these terfy associations. Publicly supporting troons is one of the absolute dumbest thigns you can do as a youtuber, it's already aging like milk to be on the misogynistic child-mutilation side of history. It's the 2024 version of when old youtubers did black face character skits, they will get cancelled over this in a decade.
>>2042256
ok william kek

No. 2042739

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Wasted by Marya Hornbacher is one of my most hated books of all time. She basically just profited off of writing about her cow antics(where's the milk?)

No. 2042741

>>2042739
I honestly have to respect her

No. 2042757

>>2040784
Imagine typing out all that censorship garble without immediately realising you should delete the website making you do it.

No. 2042761

>>2040784
TOP KEK at how she talks about foot binding, an oppressive practice employed exclusively by wealthy families to prove that they're SO RICH they don't need a daughter working the farm. It's considered "gross and disturbing" because it IS gross and disturbing. Not something to brag about in 2024, She-Ran!

No. 2042763

>>2042757
Is there a reason why she spells China correctly once and then starts censoring it? Is mentioning China multiple times banned because it might be critical of it? What a fucking bizarre app.

No. 2043020

>>2042739
She was just self-destructive, what the fuck were her "cow antics"? Starving herself and being an insane person who gets locked up in an insane people institution? Zero milk.

No. 2043030

>>2042739
tbf there's an entire industry of below mediocre retards writing books and receiving universal praise for them, at least Marya went through tough times and had an interesting life, but there are literally dozens of new york times top books that focus on the authors pointless navel-gazing, introspections and their "struggles" with someone not dealing with their exact specific identity or someone mispronouncing their names in high school(which was the worst experience they lived through)

No. 2043280

>>2032864
late but don't compare that fatso scat fetishist to tolkien, he can't even fucking spell "online" and has no business writing books in the first place. i hope the tv writers butcher his snoozefest word vomit down to the last little chunk.

No. 2043517

Idk if you all actually care about xiran’s books but it seems like iron widow 2 is coming out this year (dec 24) after all the drama with her publisher. There are arcs out now

No. 2043833

>>2043517
Is someone new publishing it?

No. 2044611

>>2043517
I'm surprised she finally moved her lazy ass to finish the damn book.

No. 2045120

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>the haters comment about me, time to rub them how much I'm too talk and no action.

No. 2045122

>>2033079
Hell, they could have actually just given her that disability but I guess that's not what gets free advertising on xitter

No. 2045123

>>2030740
> BPDette writes empowering feminist book
> Still has to include bonerattling
Poetry kek

No. 2045467

>>2032860
The way Xiran reacted during the whole ordeal is funny like girl you're as terminally online as the rest of us how can you act all mad and surprised about people dragging you into a controversy you inserted yourself into.

I still appreciate her doing that. I'll do anything to drag HOTD and it's dumbass showrunners and she basically confirmed the theory that ALL of GRRM's is owned by HBO, including things he will publish in the future. I think that's why he's been procrastinating on winds of winter and dream of spring. The reception of GOT and now HOTD has him agonizing over how his legacy, he really wanted a fresh start with HOTD but the showrunners are dumb as bricks

No. 2047857

>>2045120
But she didn't win the Hugos, they disqualified her. She's showing the video from the Glasgow con prize. Is she awarding herself the prize anyway?

No. 2052639

I hate Pinochet, but the way Xiran wears Allende's shirt for clouts makes me wonder if she really think he would have support her back then. It feels like wearing a Che Guevara shirt knowing he was homophobic.

No. 2055565

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What the fuck is going on with modern literature

No. 2055622

>>2055565
I think all those books were actually romance. And what's going is that it's being written by the shittest fanfic authors you've ever read. They publish on kindle, then they go viral on booktok, whether or not they are good, and so they get a real publisher, or self-publish, and end up in a bookstore.

No. 2055628

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>>2055565
she was right

No. 2055748

>>2055628
The only 2 genres, YA slop or romantasy slop. Would it kill these people to pick up non-fiction book and actually learn something.

No. 2055823

>>2055748
it would probably kill them to read a popular history book or something about science or even a novel that didn’t have vampires or robots in it, yeah

No. 2056011

>>2055628
>>2055748
crazy that they can't even branch out into regular adult genre fiction that would be 'sexless' in comparison to horny YA/NA/romantasy, any nonfiction is clearly way too much of an ask (these types also always assume that anything out of their comfy booktok wheelhouse is also either highbrow literary fiction or dry academic texts, it's such a narrow view of both fiction and nonfiction, it's infuriating kek).

besides, the reason adults being into YA is a 'problem' is because they've skewed YA to cater more to them than its target demographic, not necessarily because adults shouldn't be consuming simpler media aimed at younger audiences (tbh a children's book like Howl's Moving Castle probably has more going for it than a lot of YA/romantasy).

No. 2056140

>>2055748
>>2055823
Y'all in the book thread yet don't get why people want to read fiction without porn in it?

No. 2056268

>>2056140
y'all in the book thread and don't know how to read

No. 2056345

>>2056140
most fiction doesn’t have porn or even explicit depictions of sex in it, though
like, go into a bookstore and ask the bookseller for a novel that doesn’t include explicit sex, and they will not hand you a YA book

No. 2058436

>>2056345
>most fiction doesn’t have porn or even explicit depictions of sex in it, though
Nta but I WISH! The entirety of the very small fantasy/sci-fi section (they're always treated as the same) in the overall massive local bookstores have 2 types of books: classics/popular ones like Tolkien, GOT, Stephen King… or tiktok books that are in fact full of porn. I'm not exaggerating, and it's depressing to see it. I have to read reviews of authors self-publishing online to find non-porn fantasy or sci-fi, and what's even more tragic is that the more I avoid female authors the less porn I get to the point that I often don't even click if the author is female now to avoid disappointment.

Not only that but any time you try to vent about it you get 2 reactions, which is like here "that never happens, you're exaggerating, there aren't even porn in books" or they try to shame you for not being into porn like "oh you can't handle some steam, maybe go read kids books then". I could of course read other genres but I love fantasy settings the most and other settings aren't even half as interesting to me.

No. 2058673

>>2058436
your local bookstores suck, then, but the good news is that you can buy books online; also, public libraries exist
even if you only want to read fantasy fiction, there are lots of great books out there right now that include absolutely zero fucking
you can either take the trouble to seek out adult fiction you will enjoy or keep reading children’s books, it’s your choice
there have never been more ways to get detailed book recommendations, between social media and sites like Goodreads



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