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A thread about all about the book drama world be it:
Booktok/tube drama
Authortok/tube drama
Book review/Goodreads drama
Notable author cows:
>Xiran Jay Zhao - Author of "Iron Widow." A themby who insists that she's NB and wants they/them pronouns but always dresses and presents like a woman. Started off on youtube and became successful after reviewing Disney's Live Action Mulan. With the new success, she continued to make claims how China was "so queer until white people came in!" ignoring the eunuchs, concubines, and wanton sexual abuse of boys. Still makes incorrect claims about Chinese history. Family are rich Chinese with ties to the CCP. Even mainlanders dislike her. Used viral success to promote her book, which is a Darling in the Franxx rip off. Commissions people to make "fanart" of her "polyamorous" characters from book. Reported the Cat Corrain drama, which caused people to think she was Cait Corrain and received lots of hateful messages. Doesn't know when to STFU about politics and claims her new book is delayed because of her stance on Palestine. Currently acting out because she got disqualified for the Hugo award, which is hosted in China this year.
>Piper CJ - Author of "The Night and It's Moon". She's self-published a book with a self-depricating attitude that "no one will read it" yet advertises it like crazy on tiktok, garnering lots of interest. Book gets released, it's predictably bad-average. Youtube book reviewer ReadswithRachel makes a video reviewing using buzzwords like plagarism and "problematic representation." CJ and her friends (or sockpuppets) start to leave nasty messages and report Rachel's tiktok. Overall CJ doesn't take criticism well. Recently wrote another book
>Cait Corrain - Author of "Crown of Starlight." Started off as a Reylo fanfic writer. Created lots of sockpuppet goodread accounts to reviewbomb up-and-coming books in the same genre as hers and other indie randos. Absolutely retardedly used those same accounts to give her book 5 stars. People caught on to the fake reviews and figured out it was her. When caught, she created fake conversations with the "real culprit." Screenshot convos were horribly editted and cropped, indicating she didn't even bother to at least have a conversation with herself. No one bought it. Got dropped by her agent and publishing company. Authors that got reviewbombed all happened to be POC and got labed as racits. In her apology, she blamed it all on depression and alcoholism.
>Alice Oseman - author of "Heartstoppers." Hates BL made by Asians and touts herself as writing true queer romance without the problematic stuff "Asians" write. Currently getting eaten alive by the audience she bowed down to by daring to make the implication of her 17-year old male character looks up sex questions on google
>Alex Aster - Author of "Lightlark." Blew up on tiktok over making videos about vague tropes and asking "Would you want to read a book about X trope??" The viral success got her a publishing deal and a movie deal. Aster claimed she was self-made. Turns out her family is rich and her twin sister is a millionare. Book is released and it's laughably bad and juvenile. Sequel written and released a little over a year after first book. Still bad.
Book reviewers that attract drama:
>WithCindy
>ReadswithRachel
Book hoarding and subscription consoom:
>illumicrate
>fairyloot
>owlcrate
Notable ancient milk:
>Hockey booktok incident
>Cyborg Tinkerer fiasco
>Handbook for Mortals
>JK Rowling always winning
No. 1959106
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Thanks for the thread anon. The amount of abuse disguised as romance/erotic books that booktok shills scares me. These women are on a platform predominately filled with kids and teens and promoting disgusting shit like pic rel.
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>>1959134Facts. Also it seems like every novel that gets latched onto by booktok is just an OC retelling of a trope that was popular on Tumblr in 2013 like picrel. How long until florist/tattoo artist shit starts taking off?
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>>1959156lately there has been a discussion about age appropriate ratings on books and adding a blatant THIS BOOK CONTAINS GRAPHIC SEX SCENES on the cover/spine/somewhere because a lot of popular booktok/bookstagram/booktuber users have come out and said they witnessed girls as old as 12 years buying icebreaker and other novels with graphic sex scenes. shit just flies under the radar because of cutesy comic covers like this. of course there are also others who are like "uhm ackshooalley!" and then proceed to explain that they read books at college level at age 12 or something and read smut on wattpad and they came out fine, etc. i have to admit that i did that too but my 12 year old brain couldn't really process the sex scenes and was mostly unbothered by them. it was only when i got a bit older, like 14, that i realized what exactly i was reading. this is not to defend this phenomenon at all btw, i still think they shouldn't read hardcore smut at age 12.
>>1959161nta and i have no solid explanation for this either, but maybe women just go through a hardcore phase of sex obsession after being repressed all throughout puberty because girls aren't supposed to be interested in sex? most of these smut booktok users are young women between 18 and 25, with a few being much older. i had a roommate who was super uptight and also vaguely religious but her bookshelf was just rows upon rows of smut books. i also noticed that some seem to larp as cool girls by reading these books in public tho show everyone how cool and unbothered they are about consuming smut.
picrel, this is only mildly milky but i'm in the illumicrate server and you're not allowed to talk about jkr there. someone even posted in the introductions channel and mentioned she liked hp and someone else immediately replied "hiii gurl you're not allowed to talk about THAT ONE SERIES here!" it's hilarious.
No. 1959179
>Alice Oseman - author of "Heartstoppers." Hates BL made by Asians and touts herself as writing true queer romance without the problematic stuff "Asians" write. Currently getting eaten alive by the audience she bowed down to by daring to make the implication of her 17-year old male character looks up sex questions on googlefucking kek. that's what you get for sucking up to insane puritan wackos with the same attitude as those republicans who want to ban books from schools in murica for containing gay people or whatever.
>>1959169>a lot of popular booktok/bookstagram/booktuber users have come out and said they witnessed girls as old as 12 years buying icebreaker and other novels with graphic sex scenessounds like more insane pearlclutching to me. ofc 12 year olds are going to want to read romance and smut, they're in puberty. do you expect girls to only want to read books about horses or something up until age 18?
No. 1959186
>>1959181yes it is, sorry. are you seriously going to act like the biggest (if not the only) consumers of shitty wattpad smut aren't literal 12 year olds?
>>1959182how does that disprove my point exactly? i can recall a bunch of books with sex and other mature themes in them like abuse etc being popular when i was a kid.
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here's a booktok sexual fantasy cringe collage. posts like this are also made to advertise books by getting people (including kids) intrigued in a particular sex scenario featured in the book.
No. 1959212
>>1959208nah, don't worry, nonna,
>they obviously have drama, fantasy, action and romance etc etcso it's all good if impressionable 12 year olds are exposed to adult content like this! kek.
No. 1959216
>>1959208>censoring words so it can get past tiktok's filter and reach kiddies is disgusting. This is grooming.people also censor the word "kill" to "
unalive" on tiktok. this isn't a conspiracy to groom children, dumbass, they just don't want to get reported or banned. the people posting this shit are literal teenagers themselves lmfao
No. 1959223
>>1959207All this shit sounds cringe as fuck or something that horny teenager could write.
I personally hate when book tags get full of shitty quotes and countdowns to some wattpad shit getting published. At least that's how polish booktags on twitter look like. It's genuinely hard to find something actually good unless you find someone you have similar taste to.
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xiran really won't shut up about being disqualified from the hugo awards.
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>>1959225Every author on booktwt is on the palestinian side brw, retweeting some "#freepalestine" posts every few days or so. Xiram could have done the same, but she was actively retweeting accounts that were legitimately anti-Semitic like Sam Parker (I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she didn't know, and she did undo it). However, she isn't stopping, so it's no wonder she was snubbed from the hugos.
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The publisher is probably giving her the cold shoulder because they're trying to find a way out of their contract because she's clearly difficult to work with. Hope the performative activism was worth potentially being blacklisted by the publishing industry Xiran!! Also of course she's bashing the publisher and then telling everyone to go preorder her book—the only way she makes any sales is when she starts drama or inserts herself into it kek
also thank god someone made this thread, it's crazy how many authors are complete cows and their fans eat it right up
No. 1959243
>>1959169If I had a book club/forum I'd have the same rule but for a different reason, aka the discourse is just not worth it and would be endless. Even in a
terf club there'd be discourse over jkr being too libfem or whatever
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>>1959246since everyone loves these "spicy" romance novels so much i decided to give picrel a try when the hockey fiasco happened and it was so bad. the female character's entire personality hinged on her being tiny and smol and pint sized and little and she had to jump off of bar stools and stand on her widdle tippy toes and whatnot. it was so cringe. then i thought it was finally over after 300 pages of will they/won't they but it kept going for another 300 pages because they suddenly broke up again and shit like that.
>>1959248you do realize that there are explicit sex scenes in icebreaker and similar cartoon cover novels, right? the problem is that these books looks "safe" but they're actually for adults and not intended for the YA market. they're NOT for children and young teenagers who are not prepared to read about explicit sex scenes. there are novels out there for teenagers that deal with first love and first sexual experiences without the characters fucking like crazy, using dirty talk, and engaging in weird kink.
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>>1959244>>1959245The thing is, the typical pattern for books that become popular on "booktwt" is that the first one usually performs well and receives praise from critics. It then becomes mandatory for sequels to be made. However, when the second book is released, it fails to make any impact because people only liked the first book as a way to virtue signal. Lindsay Ellis book "Axiom End" had a similar fate, and I assume Xiran would have suffered the same fate.
No. 1959259
>>1959249I was gifted those type of a lot books when i was a teen and i loathed them. The self inserts is always some weak girl who gets abused by the male love interest and its potrayed as something good for some god forsaken reason. I seriously would rather my daughter get into BL, or even better, actual books with substance than that crap. Seriously some of you never gave that crap a read, because even the safer looking ones are filled with toxicity that just brainwashed teen girls into thinking
abusive relationships are hot. They are literally poison and there is nothing safe about them. Western BL shit like heartstoppers and all its ''bettern than japanese fujoshit'' stuff is actually miles better because its honestly pretty vanilla and uwu, the way stuff targetted at girls should be.
No. 1959262
>>1959244I doubt her books are lucrative, they may have purchased them thinking it'll be easy money because of her online following but considering the book is widely regarded as mediocre and gets absolutely zero buzz in the wider book community they could probably get rid of her and not lose that much in profits kek.
>>1959245Same, I used to not mind her but the constant pot stirring and self-inserting into drama is so grating, especially how she made herself the authority on that whole review bombing incident despite not being affected by it all so she could shill her shitty books some more and bring in some youtube views.
No doubt they know, she's sent her mob of fans out to harass them with torches and pitchforks kek
No. 1959269
>>1959250>there are novels out there for teenagers that deal with first love and first sexual experiences without the characters fucking like crazy, using dirty talk, and engaging in weird kink.you'd be naive to think books like that would be accepted by any of the unhinged autists who complain about any and all types of sexual content. read the OP, just a scenario where a 17 year old fictional character
googles sex is enough for the moralfagging retards to lose their minds, cry about pedophilia and grooming and cancel the author for sexualizing a minor uwu kek
No. 1959288
>>1959275you are genuinely delusional if you think that majority of BL stories don't feature
abusive dynamics, and it's an objective fact that there are for more "super vanilla coffee AU" featuring opposite-sex relationships
No. 1959300
>>1959288> and it's an objective fact that there are for more "super vanilla coffee AU" featuring opposite-sex relationshipsI have genuinely never come across a genderbent version of those fluffly western yaoi books written by straight women. All straight romance books are
abusive.
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Some people were mentioning Marion Zimmer Bradley in the fandom drama thread and the fact that she enabled her pedophile husband and allegedly sexually abused her own daughter. Here's some more info:
http://www.marionzimmerbradley.com/I hadn't heard of this before and haven't read Mists of Avalon nor her daughter's memoir on the subject, but apparently her daughter is a proud homophobe and blames her mother and father's pedophilia on the fact that they were both homosexual. It's not surprising considering the kind of abuse she suffered but it seems like her views are extreme enough that no regular publisher was willing to publish her book.
No. 1959320
>>1959207That last comment got me, I wish they'd get laid and stop flinging their terrible smut at unsuspecting kids on Tiktok. But that wouldn't give them the attention they crave.
>>1959243I'm pretty sure Illumicrate do have that rule because of drama. HP has better writing, more fleshed out characters, a more cohesive plot, and more compelling backstories than all the slop that's being shilled as 'better' because one character has he/she/cloud pronouns. Can you imagine how much doxing and death threats the server has avoided by not letting the sensitive queerios discuss JKR and HP? That could land them into serious legal trouble. They already have their hands full babysitting retards who regularly pay hundreds for books with pretty covers.
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>>1959318I've talked about this before, but here's the full story for anyone interested, I'm sure most people have never heard of the Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America, They’re one of the main SFF tastemakers, founded by Damon Knight in 1965. They award the Nebula Prize, which, along with the Hugo, is the premier award for Science-Fiction and Fantasy authors.
Marion Zimmer-Bradley, was central to the SFWA clique and even was on the board in the 70s. at that time MZB her work was considered instrumental in lesbian and feminist fantasy literature, she was also a founder of the Society for Creative Anachronism, which is a major LARP group. MZB’s husband was the “Grand Master” of Creative Anachronism(a space often filled with children)
her husband was the subject of a letter called “The Breendoggle” in which the Berkely SFF crowd debated what to do about his frequent "incidents". her husband was eventually arrested and convicted for this. His daughter Moira, was one of his accusers. Moira has made it clear that MZB, and her step-mother and everyone in that clqiue knew what he did and either just ignored it or actually tried to help him. It was public knowledge. It was a network of fucked up people.
there's also there two men, who were also involved in the scene and likely pedos as well.
>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as well>Ed Kramer, SFWA alum, founder of Dragon-Con, and Nebula host, is also a convicted child abuser. He was vigorously defended in this by other notable SFWA alums. No. 1959325
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Books that center around sports teams, but were obviously written by individuals who have never played or watched sports, are such an interesting 'genre' to me, like I'm sure the authors could find something else that they are more familiar with.
No. 1959328
>>1959323Even the fluffliest of straight books have some form of abuse. Romance novel authors would rather die than write a non
toxic/
abusive moid love interest and a FMC that has a strong personality that just isnt ''bratty''.
No. 1959333
>>1959225>>1959242Yes, Xiran, you are the
victim of this war. Call the UN. We need a trial against the Hugo Awards and her publisher for genociding her books.
No. 1959343
>>1959331you are so centered in your hatred towards fujos that you cant even understand why western BL is fluffly cutesy diabetes inducing lovey dovey where writers get cancelled over an underage characters googling sex vs how no one calls out the thousands of
abusive coquette ddlg crap that get shilled on booktok to girls. But ok, keep shilling disgusting DDLG shit to girls, its definetly better than some gay fluff stuff.
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Here's a resource that I think should be included in the OP. It's an article written by YA author Kat Rosenfield. It gives a lot of background on the writer community online and why it's so cutthroat and full of drama:
https://www.vulture.com/2017/08/the-toxic-drama-of-ya-twitter.html
You'll have to copy+paste the link to view it because the retarded redtext breaks links. Picrel is just an image from the article demonstrating how retarded the community is.
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>>1959156This sounds like a straight ripoff of picrel (which was a webcomic on Tumblr before it went into print). Instead of an ice skater becoming a hockey player and dating his teammate, its a hockey player becoming an ice-skater in order to fuck a boring pickme. Betwen this and the Reylo trash, we really need to stop letting fanfic writers get published.
No. 1959381
>>1959379She is super cringe to me too kek she’s “pansexual” but ofc married to a man. Seems like the type to suck troon dick. I used to know someone who knew her and she did seem absolutely drunk on woke koolaid.
>>1959340Kek yes it 1000% is Witcher fanfic and it’s so blatantly ripped off but she will not admit it she gets really ass blasted at any accusations and will try to act like a bad unbothered elf queen.
her shitty makeup and bad fillers also kill me but that’s more of a nitpick kek No. 1959384
>>1959378God it pisses me off so much that when I try to find a nice normal fantasy book now the top 50 seems to be JUST fucking erotica and porn. It's nearly impossible to find out what is or isn't a stupid porno book on the list, but the best bet seems to be looking for male authors which is also annoying because I'd love to support female authors but they all just write shitty erotica. I just want a fantasy adventure I don't want to hear about some lame barely legal girl getting fucked by an
abusive thousand year old fairy dude. You know something has gotten fucked up when it's the women producing nothing but porn while the men write normal shit, how did we get here???
No. 1959389
>>1959384just google the title of the book and add spicy at the end. or check goodreads reviews for the words spicy/spice.
i do the same but with the word trans because i want to avoid that shit as best as possible, kek. i prefer to do that instead of reading moid literature.
>>1959373i'm in a few "cozy reading servers" on discord and they do discuss books, but idk about the big name booktokers. a lot of them are more into buying books, see vidrel.
>>1959350aside from having rich parents and connections to the industry: be a big hit on wattpad, kek.
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now, blogpost, but: I consider myself a pretty avid reader, probably 40-50 books per year from a variety of genres. Occasionally, I add in some trash erotica, because I'm an adult woman and it gives me a nice break from the more 'serious' reading. Most of my friends who are hardcore readers in their mid 20s are the same: reading a lot from all genres, but occasionally reading a 'bookTok' or erotica book for fun.
With that being said, I'm a bit confused with the demands of some anons in this thread, and it does feel a bit like pearlclutching. Do you want women to not be able to publish erotica? Or for it to not have cartoon covers? Or for TikTok to be more age restricted? Or for an age warning on novels? (I could get behind that last one.)
Because a lot of anons in this thread feel kind of like, "raa raa raa, women write horny garbage sometimes just like men do and that makes me angry!"
I can 100% guarantee you 'serious' literature is being published every day by women and it will continue to be published, get your book recommendations from somewhere other than TikTok if you wanna find it.(blogposting)
No. 1959400
>>1959397Yeah, I think that's a fair wish, we have it for video games and movies.
>>1959398Same as anon above, that's reasonable, and I guess it could be 2 or 3 anons who are posting about the state of women's literature. It just feels like some posters are upset that women are publishing erotica, that it's discussed online, or that sometimes the erotica has themes they don't like.
If anyone is curious about why some women would dare to read
problematic erotica, here's my explanation which is somewhat blogposty:
Even if you're in a good relationship irl, or a relatively morally upright, law-abiding person irl, sometimes literature is a fun place to explore things we have no interest in doing irl. Yes, sometimes that means… reading about sex with a vampire, pirate, the boss of your company, your brother's best friend, or your pick of male tropes. Sometimes you feel curious about what it'd be like to date someone possessive or powerful, even if you have no intention of doing that irl. Sometimes things that wouldn't be cool irl happen but it's okay because it's literature and you're an adult woman. Not everyone who reads murder mysteries wants to experience a local murder. No. 1959403
>>1959400It’s fair to criticize book trends that promote
abusive relationships like they’re titillating and sexy. Your spoiler is very “if women like it then you cannot criticize it!!!1!” libfem bullshit. You can read that slop if you want, no one’s gonna come to your house and burn your “Tall Brooding Man Rapes Me Every Day When I Go to Wash My Clothes in The River” porn book. But we’re allowed to criticize it and voice concern for the young impressionable audiences reading it.
No. 1959406
>>1959400>Sometimes things that wouldn't be cool irl happen but it's okay because it's literature and you're an adult woman. Not everyone who reads murder mysteries wants to experience a local murder.False comparison. Murder mysteries are not written to have readers to self-insert as the murder
victim. Not to mention, the main focus is the aspect of mystery and puzzle solving, not the bloodbath itself.
No. 1959409
>>1959403I do care a lot about the state of kiddos, so I'll respond to this earnestly.
I think, "Cute illustrations with no age rating on the cover" or "Unknowing bookstore clerks putting it in the YA section" are
valid things to be worried about, and theoretically fixable. Also people trying to slip past censors on TikTok, or TikTok not having a good age rating (idk, I've never used TikTok)
But I don't think "This is ruining literature" or "I don't like this being published at all" are
valid complaints.
No. 1959410
>>1959403>>1959406Nayrt but you guys are sounding like Flaubert's critics who said women were impressionable beings and reading Madame Bovary would make them start cheating and commit suicide. So what if some women find self inserting into
abusive relationship fiction titillating. It says more about their own issues than anything else. Erotica writers aren't promoting abuse more than Flaubert was promoting suicide.
No. 1959412
>>1959156>>1959374>retelling of a trope that was popular on Tumblr in 2013 like picrel.>This sounds like a straight ripoff of picrel (which was a webcomic on Tumblr before it went into print). Man, you guys gotta expose yourself to shit outside tumblr. That trope has been boring people since the 90s. And none of you heard of Blades of Glory, which was, in 2007, mocking the fuck out female ice skater has to partner up with a male hockey player trope by making it to two men and a comedy?
>>1959156> How long until florist/tattoo artist shit starts taking off?I say never cause that's not the thing that appeals to a mainstream audience who haven't spent time in fandom to get why the trope exists in the first place.
>>1959324>Samuel Delaney - another “Grand Master”. He’s the author of Dhalgren, a shitty porno scifi novel, as wellDelaney is a complete degenerate. He wrote some nonscifi stuff that was just child abuse porn. His novel Hogg: "The plot features a silent pre-adolescent boy (called only "cocksucker") sold into sexual slavery to a rapist named "Hogg" Hargus, who exposes him to the most extreme acts of deviancy imaginable. These acts include a substantial amount of "rape, violence, and murder", such as "scenes of Hogg and his gang brutally raping various women" and other "extensive scenes involving consumption of bodily waste. Every chapter in the novel contains graphic sexual or violent acts."
No. 1959413
>>1959400The issue is less that erotic lit is being discussed online, but that it's being promoted in mixed age spaces. Like
>>1959207 was taken from Tiktok where users have to be at least thirteen years old. None of that should be where teenagers are expected to access it.
I'm a little behind in tech, does TikTok have an adult only/restricted content place?And personally I think it's a good thing that more women are criticizing common erotic/romance literature tropes and
abusive relationship flags. It's all well and good if you seek it out and want to read that, but it feels like the market is currently saturated with dangerous relationship depictions and open criticism provides an alternative voice for readers and an opportunity for authors to explore other options if they so choose.
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>>1959156>>1959412it actually kinda exists already (grumpy tattooed florist x wedding player femc).
>>1959410not any of those ayrt, but i don't care if adult women read stuff like that because i trust that they have the experience and knowledge to realize that you shouldn't fuck your ap english teacher. young girls don't have this sort of life experience and if their pedo english teacher starts to groom them irl my dark vanessa style they probably won't realize it.
No. 1959417
>>1959318Man I was devastated when I learned that MZB was at best a pedo-enabler. Mists of Avalon was my absolute favourite book as a teenager. I loved its portrayal of female characters and the not-quite paranormal setting. I wanted to be Morgaine so bad
Years later I looked MZB up on wiki and found out about the pedo accusations. It reminded me of one scene from the book that always felt 'off' to me: when Morgaine goes and celebrates Beltane for the first time all of the villagers have sex with eachother in celebration of spring and fertility. Including an old warrior and a 5 year old child who (I'm paraphrasing) "struggles a bit, and then surrenders". I always found it gross but because it was the only line in the book sort of ignored it. But knowing what MZB did to her own daughter I couldn't see that book the same way anymore. I got rid of it
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>>1959374>>1959156I'm pretty sure both are "taking inspiration" from a 2000's Disney movie also with the exact premise.
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>>1959417>Including an old warrior and a 5 year old child who (I'm paraphrasing) "struggles a bit, and then surrenders"Reminds me of Gabriel Garcia Marquez and One Hundred Years of Incest and Pedophilia. That book gave me such a yucky feeling with the way he describes a prebubescent child cringing from pain and sweating while struggling to fit an adult man's penis inside her already in the first 30 pages. It's crazy to think that this man won a Nobel prize. Another one of his short stories also features a 90+ year old man whose biggest dream is to rape a prepubescent virgin girl child. He's one of the writers I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out was an actual pedophile.
No. 1959430
>>1959428I haven't read his novels. I was excited to read them because I wanna read more classic literature, especially by
POC, but then I heard about the content in it. Wtf???
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>>1959410>Women should be allowed to write about sex without having to succumb to writing disgusting kink fetish shitNo one would have problems with normal, female gaze type smut, but the problem is that isn't what they're writing. It's almost all degrading, kink heavy, and depicts the female character being brutalized. It wouldn't surprised me if the uptick in women posting shit like picrel unironically and the rise in popularity of these smut books that glorify women suffering pain and humiliation during sex with similar scenarios were related.
No. 1959434
>>1959410>Erotica writers aren't promoting abuseHow is it not promoting abuse to market a book full of sexualized rape scenes as a normal sexy romance to teen girls? Media does in fact influence society, I don’t know if you’ve noticed. Or are you one of those people who thinks getting off to pedophillic media (especially when spun as a love story)
is fine and it’s totally okay to have those floating around and consumed? Do you deny that it can have a grooming effect on children who see that? And if you don’t deny any of that, then why is it okay to publish porn books about women being abused spun as a love story? Why do you assume it does not play a part in normalizing violence in women’s relationships? Ask yourself why you value women’s well being so little.
(derailing) No. 1959439
>>1959434Nayrt but I doubt these authors in their 20s, 30s, and 40s are going, "Oooh, I can't wait for 12 year olds to grab this at Barnes & Nobles and have their first experience reading about sex from my 18+ novel." I would suppose that a lot of authors have little or no control over the marketing of their book, or which shelf it goes on at Target or Walmart. If any anons work in publications or advertisement maybe you can chime in. But I would assume most of these authors just wrote something they enjoy, that they think a few other people will enjoy, and are happy to get it published.
but
>>1959403 this is what I mean, for some anons it's not just 'I want TikTok algorithms to be more age-appropriate' or 'I think books should have age restrictions on the cover', it's 'I don't want this written or published or consumed, PERIOD.'
Some anons in this thread give me book-burning vibes.
No. 1959442
>>1959439But the anon you quoted didn't say anything about not wanting it written or published or consumed? She literally says
>You can read that slop if you want>no one’s gonna come to your house and burn your porn bookshe
did say
>But we’re allowed to criticize itCriticism or voicing concern for young impressionable readers is not saying something cannot be written, or published, or consumed. It's a call for discussion, not censorship.
(derailing) No. 1959447
>>1959442Sorry, maybe I worded that confusingly. I was directing
>>1959403 to
>>1959434 's post
>why is it okay to publish porn books about women being abused spun as a love story? I'm anon defending erotica in this thread. I agree that having more control over the marketing of books or age-restricted TikTok is fair. But I still can't agree with 'I don't want this published ever.'
If this is too derailing I'll stop talking about it. Maybe there needs to be a separate TikTok criticism thread at this point, if there isn't.
(derailing) No. 1959454
>>1959434>marking to teen girls >grooming effect on children There's your problem. The problem is not adult women reading erotica, however unsavoury and
problematic you might find. The problem is children reading it. This is the only problem worth discussing ITT on the subject. Books should have age restrictions the same way as films and video games do, and the real problem is that any teen girl can pick up an explicit erotica novel from a Target shelf and check it out at the counter with her own money.
As it comes to adult women's wellbeings, you obviously don't care about them at all if you think that they are all impressionable adult retards for whom rose-tinted wish-fulfillment erotic fiction normalizes IRL
abusive relationships. Gee, couldn't it be IRL men and the unpunished violence they commit against women every single day that normalizes violence against women? No, it can't be. Someone save those poor brain-dead womenchildren from the big bad terrible books!
There's also something in democratic societies called free speech, sadly. Which means the freedom to express ideas even if they might be uncomfortable, displeasing, disgusting or outright revolting to others. And that covers art too, by the way. Like it or not the right to write or read or not write or not read erotica is protected by your constitution. Because of arguments like yours.
No. 1959460
>>1959452It's okay for two adults in a healthy consensual relationship to be behind closed doors and wear leashes, hit each other, call each other dirty names, pull on hair with proper safety put into place. No, it's not for everyone, but do plenty of adults in happy, functional relationships do weird things in private? Yes.
It will never be okay to engage in sexual relationships with a child.
That being said, I don't think there are any mainstream books or erotica that glorify actual child abuse?
Most mainstream books I've seen that feature child abuse (e.g. My Dark Vanessa) portray it as a tragedy, or cautionary tale.
You couuuuld argue that in Twilight, a 100+ year old vampire gets with a 17 year old girl or whatever, but that one clearly has an unrealistic setup, where the vampire has a young adult's body and, for whatever reason, wants to enroll in high school.
I guess one anon
>>1959428 pointed out this author, who I haven't personally read. I think it's disgusting, but rather than un-personing this author or pretending the book never existed, I feel it'd be better to talk critically about the themes of children and perhaps stop shilling it as a 'classic.'
(derailing about bdsm) No. 1959470
>>1959468OP here, thank you so much. This isn't what I wanted for this thread.
Let's talk about Xiran's Hugo meltdown, nonnies!
No. 1959478
File: 1706222805728.jpg (485.71 KB, 2475x2445, anne-rice-1639417218.jpg)
To bring the thread back on topic, no author cow thread can go without the OG author cow - Anne Rice. May she rest in peace.
She must be shaking in her grave though at the AMC adaptation of Interview with the vampire. Lestat and Louis were her and her husband's self inserts and she was staunchly against the idea that either of them was gay despite the book being basically about a homosexual couple adopting a child. She also harassed, threatened and doxxed fanfiction writers all throughout her career. Hilarious when you think the new series is everything she would have hated, they could only make it when she was dead.
No. 1959485
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All of this BookTok and twitter shit is so exhausting just to read about, I'm shocked that these people actually have the energy to participate in this constant dramamongering.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I almost miss the days when Goodreads and book blogs were ground-zero for nearly all of the drama within this community. Case in point: remember when YA author Kathleen Hale lost her mind over a bad Goodreads review to the point that she showed up on the front doorstep of the poor woman who wrote it?
Sage b/c this milk is ancient by now.
No. 1959486
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Small reminder that Xiran used a TIF's death to shit against J.K. Rowling because… reasons?
No. 1959490
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>>1959489And the game was released last year, but the tif said bad stuff against Rowling.
No. 1959492
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>>1959491Dunno, I would be pissed off if a Jane Doe that barely knew my familiar/relative is using her death for brownie reasons to shit against a quite known author.
No. 1959570
>>1959430I'm taking the ban for this but damn bitch you're retarded as fuck for referring to any non-white author as a "
POC". You need to be at least 18 to post here.
(infighting) No. 1959573
>>1959395It's not really hard to understand than some women feel super uncomfortable with the idea of BDSM
abusive relationships becoming normalized. Its insane how these pickme novels took over the romance genre to the point finding anything that isnt thinly veiled BDSM trash is nearly impossible.
(continuing derailing about bdsm) No. 1959608
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>>1959373it's mostly about consoom. the books have special editions, merch out the wazoo, commissioned art of the characters, they get sent to reviewers with boxes of goodies so they can do unboxing videos.
there's virtually no difference with influencers shilling make-up or whatever, the books are just another commodity. so yeah some people will just pull quotes to shill the book wiyhout having actually read it, much like an influencer will make video praising some product she doesn't actually use, just bc she got paid to do that.
>do people actuallly read them?sometimes, but it's basically just instant gratification. people don't care about any kind of deeper message or motifs or character arcs or even just the writing style. the reviews are simply just 'this character is so hot and when he did xyz that it so cool!" and "omg it has bisexuals!". usually talking about the characters are real.
the books are little more than a collection of tropes strung together. and people look for their fave trope like "enemy to lovers" he way you'd look for it on ao3. the authors themselves advertise the book that wway, picrel.
not that here's anything wrong with a quick pleaseure read, but fans and most of the authors take thmselves extremely seriously. they will attack anyone who questions whether their favourite slop has any literary value.
>>1959374honestly it seems increasingly like the very worst of fanfic is bleeding onto regular literature.
No. 1959613
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>>1959285found this summary about cj piper's drama:
https://twitter.com/mynameismarines/status/1614661415297581057picrel is especilly telling. if you review anything critically you're a terribble person who refiuses to experience joy. they're clearly not used to any actual reviews, just stans and paid shills. didn't get the memo that when you get actually published there's such a thing as literary criticism
No. 1959627
File: 1706251671398.png (276.6 KB, 576x387, Harlan Ellison's Star Wars rev…)
speaking of authors, Harlan Ellison though not a rapist, had a reputation for being a violence and vindictive man who would form of personal vendettas against people who slighted him. Here's an example, he got expelled from college after punching a professor who had told him he'd never amount to anything. Afterwards, he found fame in writing. He would send that professor a copy of every single story he published and let him know how much money he earned from it. He would also help minority creators (most famously, Octavia Butler) get their footing in the literary scene. However, he would call people slurs in the middle of a conversation if he was angry enough.
No. 1959642
>>1959570Can someone spoonfeed me on why it's bad to call authors
poc?
No. 1959664
>>1959613This is what happens when fanfic writers who grew up on Tumblr go out and become actually published writers, kek. They can't handle any criticism or actual, thought-out review of their work without thinking they're all in bad faith and immediately throwing themselves to the ground in a tantrum. Which to give her some credit, is indeed the culture that tumblr/twitter cultivated when it comes to fandom works and the authors/artists that make them.
Cassandra Clare who is another noted fanfic writer and thief was another cow who couldn't handle any sort of criticism without calling it harassment, for instance.
No. 1959689
>>1959252her third book is coming out this summer lmao. i honestly can't understand people who even consider reading books by
youtubers, or any kind of online influencers really, it's such an innately unserious "occupation" so shit quality writing and overall cringey nonsense is basically gauranteed.
No. 1959693
>>1959642that anon was being overly aggressive and exaggerated. It's worth keeping in mind that
poc term originated in United States and non-Americans might not use or like the term. But in a conversation like this no one but an asshole is going to come for you for using the term.
No. 1959696
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>>1959613Reminds me of this post on IG last year from indie author KC Smith seething over bad reviews kek. These authors are so fragile that anything less than 3/5 stars for their shitty kindle unlimited books on goodreads is a hit to their ego. It's always terrible authors who get pissed over goodreads anyway, you rarely ever see accomplished authors mention reviews unless they got a starred review somewhere.
No. 1959713
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JD barker (a nyt best selling author) sent emails to a bunch young female booktokers asking them to make suggestive/sexual videos to promote his new book
No. 1959721
>>1959439> I would suppose that a lot of authors have little or no control over the marketing of their book, or which shelf it goes on at Target or Walmart. If any anons work in publications or advertisement maybe you can chime in. But I would assume most of these authors just wrote something they enjoy, that they think a few other people will enjoy, and are happy to get it published. In a supermarket the books are just randomly displayed by bestelling, but in terms of authors and publishers, books are written (and categorised) for specific age groups and genres, so the writer has the section it will end up in a bookshop or library in mind while writing the book.
The publisher edits, chooses cover and the manner it's advertised. YA books traditionally were not porny and just had a little romance. Adult books are a free for all but if you're writing adult fiction the author definitely doesn't envision children reading it, and in a bookstore or library kids shouldn't be browsing those sections. Ordering online changes that significantly, which I think explains the rise in inappropriate audiences reading tiktok trending smut, as documented ITT above.
No. 1959722
File: 1706282172585.png (324.05 KB, 598x476, francesca.png)
>>1959710She posted it on her own about it, no one is telling her to relax and not being petty, most of the fans are telling her "this sucks" and "seek for another editorial".
Have someone post her? A NLOG author whose first book is about killing nazis (but communist characters are fine! Stalin sending people to the Gulag? no sense!), doesn't shut up about the Palestine-Israel conflict, her books are mostly about NB/Trans stuff and is having a GFM for top surgery because she can't stand her body remind her she's a woman (her words in her GFM).
No. 1959726
>>1959718>Nonas have you ever NOT read a book due to low star reviews?Of course. Who hasn't. I'll read a few of the first reviews on the list and then go to the 1 star and 2 star reviews to see what the actual problems are with the book. And if the problems are issues I can't stand, I don't read the book.
>In a supermarket the books are just randomly displayed by bestellingPublishers pay more to get books to be placed with the cover visible instead of just the spine and I think to get on endcaps.
No. 1959746
>>1959713How are you
>>1959736 going to add an entire update and not include screencaps. This is all over tiktok, it's not that hard to include an entire vid.
The vid says after people expressed their outrage, he said the emails were sent by a pr company not him. But he founded the pr company and didn't mention that.
No. 1959750
File: 1706290143495.png (36.66 KB, 860x158, wiki.png)
Someone updated JD Barker's wikipedia page today to include this controversy kek. How long before he or his PR company tries to get this scrubbed?
I archived it on wayback machine so there's a record of this incident if it does get deletedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Barker No. 1959752
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>>1959742It gets worse, he also has a daughter. I wonder how he'd feel if his daughter received an email from a fellow geriatric scrote author wanting nude videos of her for a measly $100 to promote his book with
No. 1959754
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>>1959746>>1959736>>1959713>>1959752>>1959750 >How long before he or his PR company tries to get this scrubbed?He founded the his pr firm so they are probably trying to get it scrubbed right now.
This is a picture of him. He looks exactly like the kind of guy who would do something like this.
No. 1959770
>>1959422>>1959412Neither of the examples you gave were love stories set in college, and neither had the distinctly post-internet-YA-fanfic-vibe that Icebreakers and Check Please both have (though the latter at least
attempts to have themes and isn't full of gag-inducing poorly written sex scenes.) We're not talking about major studio projects here, we're talking about things propelled by word-of-mouth on the internet.
No. 1959774
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>>1959722The user she's replying to is a Metis, so imagine being a white woman telling to a Native person "please remove my uterus" while ignoring the problems that Native people had to endure.
No. 1959803
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My guilty pleasure are Sarah J. Maas's books and I have a personal book community cow, meet Yazthebookish:
>Obsessed shipper who has spent at least two thousand dollars or more in comissions of her ship (Gwyn x Azriel)
Honestly this is the more egregious and insane part to me, every week or so Yaz comes out with a new 100$ or more art piece that she has comissioned, usually gwynriel but sometimes other SJM related chracters, it borders on wonderbread guy.
>Regularly looks up her own name on twitter, screenshots and threatens people who talk shit about her (the gwynriels will get you!!)
>Unofficially powermods the acotar subreddits,trashes everyone that doesn't agree with her ship and theories
>Edited the acotar wiki so much the pages of the character getting in the way of her ship (Elain) and the love interest (Azriel) had to be locked.
She hasn't been very active for a while but with the new Crescent City book, heavily featuring Azriel, coming out next week I think i'td be good to keep an eye out on her for milk, bookofmirth is also another tumblr user with some of the same unhinged behavior.
No. 1959888
>>1959478>she was staunchly against the idea that either of them was gay despite the book being basically about a homosexual couple adopting a childThis isn't true at all. She was open about the fact that Lestat and Louis were bisexual, and was generally on good terms with the gay community before Tumblr came along. She left the Catholic church in support of her son Christopher after he came out to her. He's in charge of the IP now, and he's very respectful of her work and wishes. The AMC show was written out and well into production by the time she died, and Christopher has been involved in the project.
Most of the horror stories you hear about her are true, but she wasn't homophobic. She would not be "rolling in her grave" at how overtly gay the show was, I assure you. Lestat and Louis are referred to as "blood spouses" in the books and kiss on the mouth several times.
No. 1959933
>>1959428ust your description alone is fucking horrific. My day is actually ruined. How could anyone read a detailed 30 page depiction of that and go on to praise and nominate this lowlife slug?
>>1959608>Am I God or is it ADHD? I see this and I am never touching your book. This is such an insufferable line on its own. I also like the author trying to set herself apart from the the peasant booktok authors that pitch their book by naming the geneeeeric fanfiction-like tropes as opposed to….pitching your book with tropes (except they're just unconventional?). And who the fuck would want to read about lesbian griffins? Aren't those animal-like creatures??
No. 1959953
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>>1959428>It's crazy to think that this man won a Nobel prize.Same with Pablo Neruda: Wrote the most beautiful poems and won a Nobel prize, but was known for beating his wife and ignored his disabled daughter.
And ugh One Hundred Years of Solitude, where incest, pedophilia and talking with the dead was fine, but ice??? That's new.
No. 1960185
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Why do people write such horrid books with Gods/Deities from the Ilad, but "with our touch"? Do they think Greek do not take their history seriously or something?(derailing)
No. 1960191
>>1960185>with our touchProjected "muh gender dysphoria"
Sexualization of gender norms
Fujo bullshit
(derailing) No. 1960195
File: 1706410678100.png (650.78 KB, 907x907, anythingbutilad2.png)
>>1960193Xiran: Hades is a Black casino owner and Persephone is a trans Black aerial dancer, which is cool.
Of course is cool for you, no one is making Mulan a trans Black woman in USA.
No. 1960226
>>1960185What aggravates me most about the AAP obsession with Achilles is that they fail to understand his character on the most fundamental level. He's a selfish prick who puts his pride before the lives of his allies. Basically, Agamemnon insulted Achilles' honor by kidnapping Briseis, a slave whom Achilles had "won" in battle. Achilles throws a hissy fit and tells his army to sit around and do nothing while the other Greeks are losing the war. Achilles still refuses to fight, but eventually allows Patroclus to pretend to be him and lead the Myrmidons against Troy. Patroclus defeats Sarpedon, but is killed by Hector and Achilles goes apeshit. He personally kills a shitload of people, including Hector, whose corpse he desecrates. By the way, it's sometimes argued that Hector is the real hero of the Iliad because he was a level-headed family man; he wanted to make a peace agreement, but Achilles just killed him.
I don't doubt that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers. Even Shakespeare viewed them that way. But Achilles was not noble, we was not a soft gay boi uwu. He knocked a girl up (when he was in drag on a female-only island no less) and abandoned her, screwed up the seige of Troy over his fight with Agamemnon, and went on a killing spree when he indirectly caused Patroclus's death. Also his son grew up to be an even worse murderous psycho who murdered Hector's young son in front of his wife. Achilles is a douchebag, that's what makes him an interesting character. But Tumblr Iliad fanfic like that book completely strips him of those qualities and woobifies him.
Also most of the characters in the Iliad aren't gods. Achilles is only part god; his mom is a nymph and his great-grandmother on his dad's side is a half-human daughter of Zeus. Same goes for Patroclus; he's mostly human, but Zeus is his great-grandfather. A lot of these heroes are indirectly related to Zeus because he stuck his dick in everything, but they aren't gods in the traditional sense.
>>1960193Don't stoop to their level. Cultural appropriation is a retarded concept in general.
>>1960195Mulan was a real person, Hades isn't. Hope that helps.
(derailing) No. 1960278
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I'm going through reviews on past Illumicrate/Fairyloot/Owlcrate books and posting some of the more retarded ones to see if that gets the thread back on track. Sage for not milk but it does show how you can never fucking win with these cows, both the authors and readers get butthurt over the most retarded non-issues imaginable.
Picrel is a snippet of a review that's probably longer than the book itself.
No. 1960285
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No. 1960288
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No. 1960326
>>1960288the people complaining about this non-issue were literally bigger cows than Klune himself. He said he was inspired by real history but said he didn't want to really make a parallel or analogy for that event since its not his story to tell and people went ape shit.
Honestly I think people were just frothing at the mouth because someone said "indigenous." If you read the books its more like "whimsical X-men" than anything that actually happened in Canada back then. The only similarity was that there are some kids in an orphanage.
No. 1960374
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Some TIM literature from the MTF thread.
No. 1960376
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No. 1960377
File: 1706474863349.mp4 (3.53 MB, 576x1024, 1000024474.mp4)
Another day another mediocre author (or in this case it's an aspiring author who has completely tanked any chance at getting an agent) demanding no one rate any book lower than 3-stars. She deleted her account and went into hiding after getting heat from booktok because she said that anyone who rates a book 3-stars or less is an asshole because of how hard it is to write a book.
Idk how or why people with such thin skin decide they want to become authors and work in publishing when it inevitably entails someone not liking your work. Also 120K words in 3-4 months and a story that revolves around tropes definitely screams 5-star quality kek
No. 1960464
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Leaving this review of Manhunt by Gretchen Felker-Martin, which explains way better the book so you don't have to touch it.
No. 1960506
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>>1960377it's incredible how many of these authors are totally incapable of taking any criticism. Colleen Hoover is probably the best selling author in these circles and she still goes "uwu i din't listen to the haters bc my books sell well"
none of them understand that literary critique isn't for the authors, it's not meant to personally upset them, it's not gratuitous hate. it's for the readers.
i guess it's another symptome of the fanfic-isation of literature, the "don't like don't read!!1!" attitude. it's ok when you're a 12 year old writing songfics, not as a professional author. inability to stand criticism is a lolcow trait.
No. 1960526
File: 1706506970526.jpg (118.02 KB, 1080x956, edit profile.jpg)
Xiran might be self-posting, unless someone's trying to make her look bad. First post in
>>>/m/350837 then reposted
>>>/snow/1958655 is a screenshot of her Twitter profile with 'Edit Profile' visible. Maybe that's why she went to the offtopic board first and tried to use cow-related language. Repost of screenshot provided since hover doesn't work across threads for me.
No. 1960530
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>>1960464Muriel, if you're reading this
No. 1960531
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>>1960526Holy fucking shit you might be right. I don't think it was someone else pretending to be her since there would be no point to pretend if you're not gonna change any of the text on the profile. The text on her profile is still the same right now.
No. 1960535
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>>1960526>>1960531It's possible, but it's more likely an anon just saved a screencap Xiran herself posted a day before it was posted here (the first mention in the /m/ thread is on the 23rd).
No. 1960545
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>>1959696Eliza Clark, the author of Boy Parts apparently publicly seethed over a negative review of her book. The original review was silly (unlikable narrator was
problematic?? no way) but it's so embarrassing to complain publicly about a one star review from a random person on goodreads, basically just telling on yourself that your writing is shit
No. 1960609
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>>1960506funnily enough the woman in this video claims that if you like colleen hoover, you'll like the book she's working on. guess we know where she gets this attitude now KEK
No. 1960692
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xiran got served legal papers by her publisher because they're intending to sue her for damages after her twitter escapades the other day
>>1959242KEK say bye bye to your publishing career xiran
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>>1960692She must be such a pleasant person to work with. I saw her book in an "anticipated upcoming books 2024" list on Goodreads and it had a really stupid "omg look at her quirky profile pic!!" line (which is the same as her Twitter pfp), as if anyone cares.
No. 1960713
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I’m confident this isn’t true.
No. 1960716
>>1960692Oh my GOD how is she not seeing that her tweeting is the problem here?? Surely this should be a wakeup call to step away from the keyboard for a little,
why is she still livetweeting this whole thing?
No. 1960724
File: 1706562766431.png (1.36 MB, 1170x761, sapkowski.png)
I have recently finished the witcher series and while i enjoyed (most of) it, am I alone in thinking the police should take look at sapkowski's hardrive
>older man and young woman/underage girl relationships/sex constantly appears
>lots of rape (mostly just mentioned not explicitly written however some are), including underage girls
>when written from female characters' perspectives (who are often young women/underage) these characters are almost always super horny and want to bang older men
>nearly everyone wants to bang/rape ciri (even women)
i mean its clear he has a fetish for young woman/girl and older man otherwise why would it appear in nearly every single book
i honestly think he might be a pedo, like a 14 year old getting pregnant by a 30 something is just really creepy and rings some alarm bells, i mean who writes that
No. 1960729
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>>1959627Not really cow-ish but Alice Sheldon was quite a something, she was a sci-fi short story writer who came from an old money intellectual family, she served in WW2 as an intelligence officer and met her husband Huntington Sheldon (who would later become the director of the CIA) after being discharged she started writing and used a male psedyunomyn and most of her stories often featured how horrible men and male society were like, all the while she was being praised for it by male authors and fans for talking about the "dark side of humanity" and also praised for her realism cause of her military experience.
Both she and her husband had numerous affairs. She liked the idea of women but didn't have sexual relationships with them, instead she had "intellectual crushes" on them. Despite everything, they genuinely liked each other and decided not to have children. When her husband went blind, they made the decision to enter into a suicide pact so that neither would have to mourn the other. years later, she confided in her attorney, wrote a will and testament, shot her husband, and then herself. They were found hand in hand in their bed, with their brains blown out. It was a very strange relationship
No. 1960731
>>1960725this was my biggest problem with the witcher (and modern fantasy in general) as it really doesnt contribute anything to the plot, it just makes me really anxious and disgusted
inb4 'books are meant to make your feel emotions' i want to read for enjoyment and get away from the horrors of the world not end up fearfully turning everypage wondering when the next rape is going to heappeni think scrote authors use rape far too much to say 'look how dark and edgy this setting is' and as a cheap way to get you to hate characters
No. 1960738
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>>1960724>>1960731oh whilst on the subject of male authors and rape
Youtuber shad form shadiversity (who probably deserves a whole lolcow thread to himself) wrote a book and it was criticised for generally poor writing and how it handled rape
i havent read the book myself but this is what has been said about it
>the book is about bascially fantasy hitler/stalin who is a dictator, rapist, pedophile, and mass murderer who then rather than dying suddenly gains a second chance to right his wrongs… by killing people, but hey aleast he is remorseful now right, oh no he still has anger issues and is a massive arrogant dick to people>a female character who was raped as a virigin deals, with this by becoming a slut who sleeps around as much as she can>a line in the book says that rape is evil but hey at least some women get a child out of it so there is always a silver lining No. 1960741
>>1960739yes it is
he considers himself a great artist and author, despite the fact he only uses ai for his art and has written one book
his brother is a professional artist youtuber called jazza, and he claims his ai art is equal (if not better) to his brother's
No. 1960748
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>>1960692>>1960713The American editorials that rejected the idea to publish Iron Widow until the Canadian one did it:
No. 1960751
>>1960724Sapkowski is a mega-cow. It's a shame the universe that he created is sadly required reading to play The Witcher 3. Some of the stuff in the book series especially in the short stories was one of the most misogynistic, incel-tier writing I've ever read. Even the Ciri business with the rapist lesbian towards the end pissed me off so bad, it's a blessing CDPR fixed the storyline and you get the choice in tw3 to say it was all a dumb mistake.
But it's not the only thing CDPR fixed about his writing either. Spoiler for the books
Ciri's father (and another guy) wants to impregnate her and even marries a lookalike he passes off as Ciri, who I think is even younger than Ciri at around 12 or 14, so he can swap her with the real one when he captures her and make her his wife/impregnate her. CDPR completely retcons this and the only mention of this other girl is in a very short note at the end of the game and for that they're based. They also retconned the fact that the promised one or whatever wasn't Ciri but Ciri's child (hence everyone wanting to impregnate her) to it being Ciri herself, which was an enormous QoL improvement.On the other hand the witcher books are so misogynistic when it comes to the sorceresses that it wraps around and manages to make them very compelling characters, surprisingly. Like they are such comically "evil" women in this mind of this incel
Yennefer's "a beautiful woman with the cold eyes of an ugly woman" towards the middle of the story they actually become strong female characters with real agency, ambition and personal agenda. Sometimes. Triss
and her diarrhea scene exempted.
No. 1960753
>>1960738There are a few take downs of shad's book, Shadow of the Conqueror, on youtube. The best one is this one,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgRrrmX8aUk, because it details all the horrible, sadistic, misogynistic, marysue bullshit in the book, but it's 3 hours, and I figure most you don't have time for that. So, here's one that's 20 minutes that gives the 'highlights'.
No. 1960757
>>1960724>>1960751he owes a lot to the games, the total game sales are over 75 million, the total book sales are over 15 million, how many book sales were because of the game?
he sold the game rights cheap as he thought video games were stupid (he still does), when the devs asked him for help on the first game he wrote them a nasty email about how he doesnt care and wont help (they actually put parts of it in the game in an ingame letter as a joke lol)
he then tried to sue when the games became super successful and it was settled out of court
he claims the games irreparably harmed his sales as 'serious fantasty readers now ignore it' and he says it gets put in the video game section of bookshops
didnt really care about date continuity, with some stories taking place 10 years before datewise but characters refered to them as happenning 15 years before, stuff like that
didnt have map for the setting or any geogrphic consitency, cd project red had to make one for the first game based on some loose sketches by one of the international translators of the books
he also wrote a midquel/sidequel 6 years after the first game came out that deliberatly contradicts the games canon as a fuck you, cd project red then incorporated it into the third one as a fuck you too
>not the only thing CDPR fixed i also like how they did actually make some female characters older than they should be due to 'the above time inconsistencies'
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>>1960756By one hand they have this Canadian writer supporting Palestine, by other hand they have this Zionist writer.
Tundra books, not even once.
No. 1960759
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>>1960713Seems like she's realizing she's fucking up
No. 1960760
>>1960692I can't imagine being this internet poisoned that you post that your publisher are serving you papers for the shit you write about them on public Twitter under your author name (I assume this falls under reputation destruction/slander) and you
still think you're in the right and keep shitposting about them publicly, a spectacular ego on display here
No. 1960763
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>>1960760this absolute retard is still badmouthing her publisher publicly. you can rell she's a spoiled rich kid because she really thinks she can just act like that with 0 consequence
>>1960761yup. it's alsmost sad she got disqualified from the hugos because the chinese public would have torn her to shreds. mainlanders aren't too fond of overseas wokies dumbing donwn traditional chinese culture. and chinese netizens are on a wholly different level when it comes to cyberbullying
No. 1960778
>>1960771just a similar name,
shad seems to be his actual birth name and it fits the pattern his brothers have as it is biblical and his brothers have biblical names as well, josiah (better known as jazza) and asher, as they were raised mormons
No. 1960790
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>>1960765imo the main reason her book will never be published in the PRC is because it won't make it past the censors, no way they would allow a book with a woman dating two moids at once lol. but it's kind of a shame because netizens' reaction to kweer disabled mecha pilot wu zetian in a polycule? would have been priceless
>>1960764she's just incedibly online and thinks she can behave wwith publishers and industry pros the way she does with her twitter/tiktok/yt audience. her site is incredibly unprofessional, it basically reads liek a personal tumblr. she seriously posts shit like picrel on her official website
No. 1960798
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>>1960790Forgot to mention, someone should tell her to get a lawyer so the lawyer can tell her to stfu and keep things in private until a new resolution get place, otherwise she's going deeper and deeper with her reputation to other editorials.
No. 1960800
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>>1960799If she does, she's ignoring what the laywer is telling her.
No. 1960805
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>>1960800>do not post an image of a guy famous for chopping people's heads off and say you wish he was your laywerkek i had to check for myself. i forgot she was a frenchboo on top of her desecration of chinese history
No. 1960812
her publisher has probably hated her for a year already for openly disclosing how much she was paid. I'm not personally against sharing one's wages but she's an idiot for doing it with a publisher she's still trying to have a working relationship with.
No. 1960823
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>>1960805>>1960809before the revolution, robespierre was indeed an attorney at law. he had a local reputation as a poor man's lawyer, but of course this vain bitch assumes he would have been sympathetic to her ruch kid problems
>>1960818if you look aat her french twiter she is obsessed with robespierre, but jsut like Wu she treaats him like one of her blorbos rather than an actual historical figure. she acually cosplays as him. it's pretty obvious she doesn't know or care about the actual guy's life or politics beyond what she saw on tumblr
No. 1960825
>>1960824kek anon
considering she sees herself as some kind of brave fierce activist and martyr i believe she might actually be kinning him
No. 1960830
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>>1960823>>1960824>>1960825I wouldn't be surprised if she thinks Robespierre-kun is like this atm.
IIRC she even bought from a museum a document with his signature.
No. 1960831
>>1960830$8000 for her husbando's signature.
No. 1960836
>>1960831good god it's only a matter of time before she commissions art of robespierre and saint-just holding up her boobs
also it's ridic that she acts like she 'rescued this document" when it has little historical significance. she just wanted to fangirl.
never mind that the man himself was notoriously frugal and would have adamantly dispproved of this kind of wanton display of wealth No. 1960860
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>>1960824On her tumblr account which she claims is for "studying the French revolution," 90% of the posts are fanart portraying Robespierre and Saint-Just as anime boys. She 100% thinks of these dead Frenchmen as her husbandos kek
No. 1960862
>>1960859they are australian, but yes british mormons exist, there is a mormon church in my neigbourhood
there is even a british sect that has split off from mainstream mormons, that believe jesus not only visited america, but visited britian too and their text follows jesus' adventures in britain
we even have our own amish equivelant too but the men dress in modern clothes and only the women wear special clothes
jazza left the mormon church and considers himself athiest but shad considers himself a devout mormon and holier than thou
No. 1960863
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>>1960860she is not gonna like the fact he was not an anime boy in reality
No. 1960908
>>1960863That particular recinstruction has no historical basis (it was made from a fake death mask)
but it's hilarious how her idea of robespierre has just 0 to do wth the guy's actual politics. he's just another anime husubando she buys merch for. woth tryhard lefty twitter politics tacked on.
>>1960894weirdass tunfoil. why this manga of all things? there's plenty of manga/anime that takes place in france. or maube she just took french in high school. there's also a bunch of ppl online who treat the french revolution like a fandom, she probably came acrosss one of these. they've been around since the lj era
No. 1960912
>>1960908IKR She could have taken Lady Oscar/Berusaiyu no Bara from some inspo from all the French Revolution, but instead she picked a moid that invented a way to end people's life and she defend that in the "Terror days", he wasn't a dictator.
She even dared to cosplay as Robespierre to "celebrate" the French pension reform strikes. It feels like those people using anime characters to protest for the Palestine-Israel situation.
No. 1960915
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>>1960831>>1960912Some real Ignatius obsessing over Boethius energy at play here.
No. 1960916
>>1960913Something something "French are white/have no culture". Ironically the same people that cry cultural appropriation were laughing at French people crying for the Notre-Dame fire, and now they're crying that no one cares about the mosques in Palestine.
>white girl cosplaying IRL Wu Zetian."She's my waifu, and she wouldn't be ok with CCP ruling her China territory!"
(derailing) No. 1960925
>>1960919Nayrt but she's obsessed with the French Revolution and its figures specifically, is that manga set in the French Revolution and is there any evidence she ever read it? History fujos are plentiful without it being caused by a specific manga, and she is Canadian after all so she studied this in school. Hell you could say that she's like that because she read Innocent, which is actually set in the period and is also a hit amongst fujos. Or les misérables. Kind of a stretch there
nonnie.
No. 1960944
>>1960935Like those cows like
>>1959722 who are obsessed with Communism because "they beat the Nazis" while ignoring what the USRR was back then. Spoiler: Not all rainbows and happiness, specially if your were LGB or against the communism. To the gulag you go.
No. 1960948
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>>1960729One of my personal favorite authors cows, by far, has to be Gertrude Stein.
She was one of the first open feminist lesbian authors and poets, she came from a wealthy Jewish family. Stein's homes were basically the "hangout area" for some of the most influential Western authors and poets of the 20th century. She was close to Ernest Hemingway, and she was made the godmother of his son. So far, it sounds normal, but before and after WW2, she had open Fascist admiration/sympathies. She endorsed Franco during the Spanish Civil War and most damningly, she collaborated with the Vichy Regime during the German occupation. Now, it would be one thing if she was doing this for the sake of her safety, but she continued to admire the head of the collaborationist regime Philippe Pétain after the war. also despite being Jewish she did hate Jewish men above all else, and thought Catholicism was an aesthetically perfect faith. Stein spent the last years of life translating Petain's speeches into English.
No. 1960960
>>1960916sage for OT but the french themselves were laughing at people crying for Notre-Dame, despair really wasn't an unanimous reaction (parisians are cynical and generally very secular). She's embarrassing but her admiration for Robespierre isn't that fringe or disturbing for a French speaker, nor is gratitude to the USSR like
>>1960944 mentioned (it's actually a pretty common sentiment, after all the alternative was Nazi occupation). I get why this thread takes an offended tone when discussing retarded twitter leftists but it's funny, the people you're upset on behalf of mostly don't care.
>>1960948Wow. I guess this is a way to cope but it's still bizarre how far she took it
No. 1960969
>>1960812jesus christ, the amount of bragging in this video.
>iron widow inspired by darlifra>zachary ying inspired by ygocan this cow write anything that isn't inspired by some anime? i know, i know, it's almost impossible to be unique and creative at the same time but jesus christ, her selling point is literally just "buy my book because it's chinese and inspired by japanese cartoons."
also maybe this is a nitpick but i hate how she's constantly trying to make herself look even more asian, like with the makeup and hairstyles.>>1960830>>1960748>>1959953can you quit it with the simpsons avatarfagging already.
No. 1961001
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Xiran is STILL going on twitter and subtweeting her publisher after people told her she should shut up and stop for her own good. Somehow I don't think adding a cheeky little reply will hold up in court kek
No. 1961011
>>1961001I want to post a simpsons meme, but is like the Publisher is telling her "I'm telling you to keep things in private and communication via lawyer" and Xiran is "I don't care".
Can we just post her defending her husbando or being a Frenchboo?
No. 1961038
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>>1960894Imagine reading that shit instead of pic related
No. 1961067
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>>1961063>>1961001she just keeps posting about it too. i bet her publisher's lawyer is salivating right now
No. 1961138
>>1961075In addition to admitting she did that to her editor, she also said this
>>1959242>poor handling of my concerns about a Zionist authorDid she try to sabotage this other author? Did she try to tell her editor to drop the other author? I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to throw her weight around because she's one of their "top money makers".
No. 1961153
>>1961138>Did she try to sabotage this other author? Did she try to tell her editor to drop the other author?She's so egotistical it's insane. This is what happens to twitterfags stuck in their own echo chamber going
trigger happy over Someone Else Doing a Bad. She's already tried to insert herself in drama that had nothing to do with her with that Goodreads thing. She's a fucking narcissistic drama addict and she deserves to be blacklisted.
(pointless comment, no sage) No. 1961163
>>1960948>also despite being Jewish she did hate Jewish men above all elsewomen hating men of their own group because they had to experience them first hand is common and always
valid tho
(derailing) No. 1961334
>>1961324God same, there's so much milk potential and the thread is only a week old. Xiran's spiral into self-inflicted legal trouble is hilarious, I still don't understand how she can't grasp the simple fact that she's the only person to blame for the situation she's landed herself in. And really, 'their highest earner'? It's Penguin, not some random indie publisher. I'm willing to bet that any smaller publishers she's approached turned her down because they don't have the resources to deal with whatever shit she insists on stirring and already knew that authors like her always bring trouble.
I hope we get more diverse types of milk. I know there's at least one nonna who's mentioned being in the Illumicrate server, I'd love to see caps of that shitshow.
No. 1961338
>>1961334>Illumicrate serveri posted
>>1959169 and this is honestly the only "milky" thing about the server. aside from that it's just a slow server where people talk about books and do read alongs. some of the members are definitely very obsessed with having limited/special editions, hoarding books and flexing that they read 14534644 books a year. they are all very pc though and of course they felt very bad for poor widdle xiran, but it has now reached the point of them saying that xiran should just shut up already for her own benefit. i'll keep you guys updated though in case anything interesting happens.
No. 1961424
I am law illiterate. What did Xiran do that warranted a lawsuit? Did she break a contract and talk about something she wasn't allowed to on Twitter or something? And if her publisher is suing her, how can she expect to have her book still published later by that same publisher? I assume a lawsuit would imply all bridges are burned.
>>1961343I didn't see it mentioned in this thread but Colleen Hoover is worth looking at. IIRC her son was accused of sexually assaulting a girl and she responded aggressively to the
victim who contacted her. I'm phone posting so I couldn't find it now, but there's a lot with her. There was also Della Owens, author of Where the Crawdads Sing, whose husband was being investigated for torturing and killing an alleged poacher in Zambia (according to him).
No. 1961498
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This is the manuscript wishlist of a modern literary agent.
No. 1961499
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No. 1961500
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No. 1961501
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>>1961424it's possible her publisher just sent her a c&d letter to stop her badmouthing them on twitter.
could also be breach of contract because she herself admitted she was tweeting too hard to actually work on the book
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>>1961498I didn’t even know literary agents could have wishlists of their favorite personal tropes? I thought they’d be looking for things that fit market trends or something. Apparently this one works for Azantian Literary Agency. I had no idea how the publishing world worked before this, but apparently they aren’t employed by the publishing house, but serve as a middle man for the writer and send their work around to editors that might pick it up. Honestly, any poor sod sending their manuscript to her is getting fucked over and wasting their money, because she’s misguiding them.
https://agent.keiralekseii.com/ No. 1961519
>>1961509 samefag
For real though, I would totally read a lesbian take on Queenmaker, but not if it was written by any author this agent would accept.
>>1961511> thought they’d be looking for things that fit market trends or something.Based on my limited knowledge of literary agents, this is correct. Professional literary agents look for novels that editors at publishing houses are looking for and stuff that's popular. And if a novel comes in that they love in believe in, they will try to sell it, even if the novel is not on trend or what is popular at publishing houses right now. I think they do specialize in genres, but specializing in tropes is crazy. Keir is using her job as literary agent to get fanfic written to her tastes, and hoping it will sell to a publisher. It's a shame.
No. 1961660
>>1961501>I was too busy Tweeting to work on the book for months but I hoped my publisher would still rush it out regardless of my delays, now they are taking their time too and this is not how I understood this power dynamic to be!! I assume this is what's actually going on in her head, she thinks she can walk all over everyone, they wait on her but she absolutely won't wait on them.
In any industry that isn't absolutely
toxic, it's about collaboration, as soon as you make it about shitty power games nobody is gonna be having a good time.
No. 1961665
>>1961499Wait how does the first list say
don't send novelizations of your tabletop campaign and then this says she loves things that contain D&D or TTRPG easter eggs…do you want tabletop gaming shit or not.
This whole thing seems heavily Twitter/shipper/fandom informed and I wonder if these are the people actually buying and reading books. Seems more like the kind of people who watch anime/cartoons/play games rather than readers. She even lists animes and specifies she wants overlap with those communities…they read manga, not books. Girl has an easy job because I doubt many manuscripts fit this list. Plenty of ship fanart, but no manuscripts.
No. 1961669
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I think I've got something. picrel is from an article published by the verge on authors using AI to do their work for them. People are predictably seething on twitter, and the 'author' featured in the article is insisting she's no less of an author for using ai.
https://www.theverge.com/c/23194235/ai-fiction-writing-amazon-kindle-sudowrite-jasper No. 1961694
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>>1961669an author recently won an award then afterwards said she used chat gpt to help, and she claims 5% was exactly what chat gpt wrote without any amendments
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>>1961669Here’s another quote from a different article, same person being interviewed. I know YA is fun to harvest milk on because the authors can’t help themselves from fighting with each other and self sabotaging but I think the real scourge on the book world is self published “writers” who churn out multiple books a year for consoomers who will indiscriminately read seemingly any slop out in front of them
No. 1961755
>>1961745Yeah, this
>>1961748 is more what I meant, sorry could have been clearer. I don't really care about the use of fae itself other than it's been interesting to watch it and its associated trappings become more watered down/marketable/easier to write for over time
No. 1961817
>>1961745same for the UK, I have never heard the word fae used genuinely, outside of weird larpers
also I think it's ridiculous her for to even ask for fairies let alone the 'non-western' part.
as they originally were evil in folk tales, not in the normal sense but as in they follow a completely different morality (like turning a baby to stone as its crying was annoying them, then being confused why the mother is upset), they kill people, kidnap children, kill livestock, burn down houses, blind people, and where I live has a story about mass fairy suicide
(derailing) No. 1961826
>>1961755Tbh, it annoys me as it is something fantasy authors do a lot and to me it feels lazy, but then again fantasy authors are quite often the most creatively dead and just tend to recycle the same old shit again and again,
dnd is responsible for a lot of it as many authors have used it’s monsters as a template, what dnd and these authors do is take a name from an already established fictional or folkloric monster than give it to a completely different monster that only shares one or two things in commom (like being aquatic or being big)
why is it so hard for authors to just come up with a new names for new creatures rather than just recycle the same names
in some cases it has been very controversial when used for non-western creatures like the big debate around the wendigo where the pop culture version is very different to the version found in the native american cultures where it originates, I remember jk rowling faced some controversy for this
No. 1961838
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>>1961826God, I remember a Tumblr thread about this. The evolution of the perception of orcs in fantasy works. In Tolkien's works, orcs were originally depicted as malformed humans. In D&D, which drew superficial inspiration from Tolkien's setting, orcs were made a little more menacing by giving them slightly more human-like qualities. However, it was actually British games-workshop that took orcs to an even more extreme level by portraying their personalities, speech, and language as akin to football hooligans and skinheads. This depiction would become the basis for all orcs in fiction. Throughout all of this, there wasn't any sort of African or Asian influence upon them.
No. 1961839
>>1961826Yeah- fantasy can be such a cool and creative genre that can explore all kinds of ideas and high concepts, but most stuff (that's easy to find, at least) will be too caught up in following its subgenre tropes and cliches (whether they're epic high fantasy or romantasy's) to actually try anything all that interesting or unique. I don't mind that much of the fantastical aspects of the genre comes from folklore etc, what does bother me is when newer authors just regurgitate the authors they read without putting a new spin on things or doing research themselves- you're spot on with dnd being a lot of people's primary source for some of these elements, and it sucks. GoT/asoiaf's popularity has also stifled the genre in a way that reminds me of that period in videogames where everything had to be gritty and realistic and brown kek
>wendigosI can't remember anything about JKR to do with them, but I'm sure if anything of hers even alludes to one she's been attacked over it. Like, sure, I get that the wendigo might hold significance to some people, but fuck is it a massive tardrage magnet. Are there any other monsters that will attract as much negative attention to you for drawing/writing one as a wendigo?
>>1961838The continental drift from Tolkien's conceptualisation of various fantasy critters into the modern 'standard versions' is pretty interesting tbh. I mostly noticed it with elves, as I read a lot of Tolkien clones that dated from the 70s to 2000s when I was a kid and got to basically read their 'evolution' into what they're seen as now. I'm so tired of the "orcs are racist caricatures of black people!!!" crowd though, they kick up so much drama while sounding racist themselves.
No. 1961849
>>1961838>In Tolkien's works, orcs were originally depicted as malformed humans. Tolkien had problems with orcs because he depicted them as purely evil, but he hated the implications of that, so his origin for them varied. These three appeared in his novels:
1) Created from stone
2) Made in mockery of Elves
3) Made from corrupted Elves
These three were just in his writings about Middle Earth and unfinisthed stories he started after he finished the books:
4) Soulless animals - beasts with the capacity for speech, like parrots, but without souls. Morgoth would have deformed them to resemble the Children of Ilúvatar in a blasphemous mockery and taught them to speak.
5) Orcs come from corrupted men and elves.
6) Orcs are corrupted men. This was the last one he came up with in his later years and allowed him to avoid the orcs being purely evil instead they are evil because corrupted by Morgoth and they were taught that humans and elves are evil and terrible. Now they were a tragedy.
Anyway, the point is Tolkien knew from jump that evil because evil orcs was a problem and he struggled with it for years. But DnD and, lazy fantasy authors after him, took the evil cause evil orc trope and ran with it. Nobody was inspired to do research, and make up their world and monsters, like Tolkien did, instead they just stole his monsters. And then later authors had the gall to be all "wait…evil by nature orcs is just wrong." acting like that's some idea they came up.
No. 1961850
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>>1961839>>1961842IIRC for the American school she made the Thunderbird, an important symbol for Natives. The design team used also a tribal cat tattoo and a Celtic snake and a Nordic porcupine for the designs of these "houses". Granted that it wasn't JK Rowling fault in some sense, but she should have asked if the designs weren't stolen.
No. 1961882
>>1961849>Anyway, the point is Tolkien knew from jump that evil because evil orcs was a problem and he struggled with it for years. But DnD and, lazy fantasy authors after him, took the evil cause evil orc trope and ran with it. Nobody was inspired to do research, and make up their world and monsters, like Tolkien did, instead they just stole his monsters. And then later authors had the gall to be all "wait…evil by nature orcs is just wrong." acting like that's some idea they came up.kek so fucking true. i feel a lot of the things people have begun complaining about in recent years, in regards to LOTR (like orcs and easterlings being dehumanized racist caricatures), are things that have only become problems due to the americanized movie adaptations which removed nuance and depth from the story and replaced it with contrived hollywood tropes, platitudes and a big sprinkle of 911 era american imperialist ideals. if you disregard the way things are portrayed in the movies and look at tolkien's actual writing, it becomes clear a lot of the woke grievances are non issues or at least a lot more nuanced than people make them out to be. at the same time the woke grievances are very much enabled by the moids who want to embrace all the allegations of racism, sexism etc in tolkien's works because they're racist, misogynistic retards themselves and want to project their own agenda onto tolkien and LOTR.
No. 1962002
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lol
No. 1962006
>>1961849This is a retarded take.
D&D nerds took his shit as a very vague basis and went wild with it. The orcs as just pure evil made perfect sense because evil gods had evil races serving them. Simple shit. The satanic panic in the 80s caused a few changes, like getting rid of 'demons' and assassins as characters. The evil races remained both evil and races until the mid 200s when virtue signalling and pseudo-analysis like yours became the new style.
So now we've had entire fucking spergs by the community over shit that wasn't a problem for so long because
it's fucking fantasy, not the real world.
It was meant to be an escape from all this moralising and shit. Not let's create an analogue of it. And Tolkien is just a shit example. Someone asked about giant eagles and he told them because shut up, that's why. His theming and ideas were vague enough to serve just about any cause. It's only his autism and his creations (that drew on existing shit anyway) that we remember him for.
/autism
(derailing) No. 1962035
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>>1962010And she keep going and going and going…
No. 1962064
>>1962006somebody got
triggered. There is no analysis in what I said, it's recounting fact. Because Tolkien attracted such autistic nerds, somebody somewhere has documented everything he said about everything and you can look it up. D&D lifted orcs and other stuff from Tolkien, but they only took the surface level.
>The orcs as just pure evil made perfect sense because evil gods had evil races serving them.It doesn't, actually, unless D&D good gods make races that are pure good, but they don't.
Anyway, you are clearly continuing an argument you've had other places with other people, and I am not those people. You have no idea what I think of evil races, of Tolkien, or of D&D in general, so go back and argue with those other people.
No. 1962307
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Muhammad Abd-al-Rahman Barker (born Phillip Barker he converted to islam as a student) a fantasy author and professor of urdu and south asian studies
>he was often compared to tolkein and was sometimes called the forgotten tolkien
>it was claimed that he was ahead of his time and had he been born later he would have been a global hit
>widely celebrated for creating one of the first non-western fantasy worlds
>his works on urdu and south asian studies was required reading at many universites
>many fantasy authors lemented his death, and wrote articles and posts about how great he was
….except
>turns out he was on the board of holocaust denying history journal
>and after his death it was revealed that he had written a very imfamous neo-nazi fiction novel, where he states the nazis were the good guys and has the ss form terror cells and go underground to liberate the world years after the war ended
>this was revealed, it was then revealed that many people knew about this but kept it hidden
>this obviously (and rightfuly) destroys all of his reputation
>despite this there are still fans of his around who claim it is lies, or that doesnt really matter what someone gets up to in their spare time
oh and of course because he was a scrote his books are full of nudity and hypersexuality
No. 1962312
>>1962310100% when i was doing some background reading for the post and saw some authors even said he was better than tolkien because his work was non western and went against western values
i wonder what those authors think now he was outed as a 100% unironic holocaust denying genocide advicating nazi
No. 1962322
>>1962318grrm is honestly kinda milky. false promises for over a decade, his last blog called notablog blames the world not being good for why he hasnt delivered. just keeps bsing and lying about writing. "almost there!"
also i thought he was an only child which made the incest less weird somehow but no he has two sisters. writes brother/sister incest. muh aragorns tax policy tho
No. 1962323
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>>1962318>>1962322he made a froum post he made where he gets upset that none of the female fans seem to like his self insert
No. 1962367
>>1962336fat pink mast
myrish swamp
the more she drank the more she shat
tolkien shaking in his boots!!
No. 1962369
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A user on the defunct web forum, IsWinterComing.com, once wrote:
In 1977 GRRM's penis was dubbed "The Truffle" by a council of his peers because it is very hard to find and it attracts pigs.
No. 1962425
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>>1962350>his Freudian fixation on boobs, etcSpecifically, his fixation on big brown nipples
No. 1962427
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>>1962425Unironically over 10+ such cases in ASOIAF kek
Modern Tolkien more like modern James Joyce and his infamous fart and shit fetish
No. 1962429
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>>1962425He is such an obvious perv but at least he is not fatphobic like evol Rowling kek.
No. 1962476
>>1960724Happy to see a fellow Sapkowski hater, I feel the same way about him. Being Polish, I wish we had some better fantasy authors of international fame. I tried reading his books at 13 or 14, being excited after hearing all of that how good The Witcher series is, all the praise, cult status here and so on. But I was disappointed.
I only read the first book about Witcher (collection of short stories). Finished but felt like I don't want the rest of the series.
There was a story where
Witcher comes across some man who was cursed to look like some beast (?). It is revealed that he was cursed by some priestess he was forced to rape by other men - I don't remember the full story. But it made me angry how he didn't seem to show any protest after being told to rape her. She cursed him for that, maybe during the act. I was always mad how this story is somehow written in a way that made me think the author intends to make reader sympathise with the rapist scumbag. Especially that the topic of sexual abuse always horried me, even more when I was younger.
About the other things, I heard apologists saying that this creepy sex stuff is "realistic", as the world is modeled after patriarchal medieval era but I don't care, some things are red flags anyway. Especially the stuff with minors which I didn't get to yet after one book.
No. 1962547
>>1962506It's a common excuse by the historically illiterate so that they can justify adding edge to their stories because they're cowards who think fantasy without those things cannot be mature or deep or interesting. It would actually be much more interesting for things like rape to occur in a story and have any of those punishments you listed, rather than how it usually goes unheeded (and is used as angst fuel for the male lead/used to make him the better option for the female lead because he doesn't rape or sexually assault people). Another example of this is with the female lead of The Painted Man, as though it's a mild example as far as this trope/cliche goes, it still annoys me that the character was essentially built to be raped (the book also has a strong fixation with virginity and pregnancy), which you can catch wind of when she's first introduced in the story at age 13. Gross.
These kinds of authors will never be the next Tolkien because he wasn't an angry, cynical little pissant towards humanity, and didn't sit at his typewriter writing up a nasty little power fantasy. Tolkien has his faults, but at least his work isn't bitter or cruel (there's nothing wrong with dark fantasy either btw, but this stuff is usually pushed as being 'realistic' rather than dark/grimdark).
No. 1962603
>>1962485Kind of makes me sad that social justice types cry about LotR not having enough diversity when its issues are
so tame compared to the work of damn near every male fantasy author to come after him. If I had to choose between women being underrepresented and women constantly being raped for the titillation of moid readers, I'll pick the former every time. Honestly, males have no business writing about women being raped in the first place. It's like a fish writing about how it feels like to be a bird.
Terry Pratchett is also okay though as far as moid writers go, probably because he keeps everything relatively light-hearted and episodic.
No. 1962777
>>1962603>If I had to choose between women being underrepresented and women constantly being raped for the titillation of moid readers, I'll pick the former every time.100% agree. It's honestly never bothered me to have a story centered around war and violence with only males in it. Males do not know how to write about rape in any meaningful way, it's either porn for themselves or there for shock value with no regards to how it affects women (both the characters and the readers).
I recently read the debut fantasy novel of a local writer and it was so shit I didn't finish it. What got me to quit was him writing a line like "the bad guys invaded and destroyed the whole town, and also they raped all the women." There was literally no reason to add that last part, it didn't affect the story in any way other than immediately set the world up as one in which women in particular get to suffer more sexual violence from men. You know damn well men ignore the fact that men also rape other men in war, they'd never add anything so gay into their books.
No. 1962810
>>1962603Pratchett is one of the few moid writers who doesn't have 20 page sex scenes in all of his books, writes women as people, and doesn't make rape the central focus of his books. And yet retards have still ruined them. Of course the gendies have fixated on Cheery as a 'trans icon' because her story is literally about how dwarf women are expected to look and behave indistinguishably from dwarf men, and being visibly seen as a woman is shocking, therefore she must be a brave and stunning tranny. She's not a man who make skirt go spinny, she's a woman who wants to be taken seriously regardless of her gender, her stories are literally about women's liberation. Not about transitioning because of a fetish or because you don't fit the status quo.
Sorry about the rant, this has pissed me off for so long.
>>1962781KEK this would be hilarious. And make covers with someone else's AI art, since they're obviously OK with other people's work being used without permission.
No. 1962845
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You think she really got in trouble with her publisher for complaining on Tiktok about how little she got paid?
No. 1962892
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>>1962485>>1962603There was a twitter thread that discussed this topic, but unfortunately, I can't seem to find it. In the past, most fantasy and sci-fi stories were written by people who lived in the era and had a good understanding of the world. For example, H.G. Wells wrote War of the Worlds as a critique of Darwinism, and the author of Conan was a sharecropper. These writers had rich life experiences and were influenced by history and scientific advancements that they would read and research about. However, during the 'New-wave of science fiction' starting from the 60's, stories began to be written by people who were disconnected from the context and approached their works as a form of escapism. Some men, who read Tolkien for instance, completely missed the Christian symbolism and solely viewed it from a fantasy escapist perspective(picrel). Even then, these writers were still influenced by the real world, cause they had to live in the world. But now, the situation is worse than ever. We have fiction that lacks any form of complexity. As another nonna on a different thread put it, it's like a 'bootleg of a bootleg, based on a video game, which itself iwas based on common fantasy tropes'
No. 1962894
>>1962845If that's not the reason, probably is one of the many reasons.
No. 1962944
>>1962931>>1962922I mean, being emotionally
abusive wouldn't stop anyone from writing on a keyboard, plus she has said they haven't read any of her books.
No. 1963050
>>1960763Are there any receipts to prove that Xiran grew up rich and what exactly it means for her family to be ‘connected’ to the CCP? Or is this just speculation? Do we know anything about her life in China (apparently she’s very secretive about it)?
Not that I doubt she’s a privileged asshole, she acts entitled as fuck.
No. 1963077
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>>1963050It's not speculation, she's mentioned it on twitter and a few instances on her youtube like picrel,
No. 1963146
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I just saw this in the wild recently.
No. 1963236
>>1963146giving "graphic design is my passion"
also "an outsider creature" girl what. her sentences are wack
>flags, writelgbtqbig "i support the current thing" going on here
No. 1963252
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manacled aka dramione meets the handmaid's tale will be traditionally published.
author statement:
https://senlinyu.tumblr.com/post/741499573811445761/im-excited-to-announce-that-i-have-signed-a-bookmanacled:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12917045/1/Manacledngl when i first saw the news about some very popular hp fic being published i feared they were gonna release that annoying marauders fic everyone is so obsessed with.
No. 1963255
>>1963252I have a lot of mixed feelings on this, good that a fanfic author is getting recognised in the mainstream, but manacled is built on so much in world lore to move the plot along. I can’t see it living up to its status as an original story, but then again booktok doesn’t seem to care about quality
I don’t think fan fiction should be revised to become original fiction, fan fiction authors should be signed to create original fiction instead.
No. 1963270
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Xiran whether she intended or not, has created an entire genre of "historical reimaginations". While there were already books about mythological reimaging's (primarily Greek), we are now witnessing the emergence of books like Iron Widow, that nominally take real historical figures and transform them into fan-fiction OCs, often authored by people who are sheltered, passive, and express ideas of sex and romance come from fan-fiction. For instance, 'She Who Became the Sun' which envisions the founder of the Ming Dynasty as non-binary queer woman
and I posted this already book thread but it fits here just as much, there is absolutely no reason for any of the characters to be "historical figures" because they aren't. like most historians, whether they like her or not, agree that Wu Zetian was smart and patient. She waited and kept a low profile for years, making important allies who would support her. Her paternal clan and the emerging Buddhists in China. She used religion and appealed to the sensibilities of the nobility. Her alleged ruthlessness is a matter of debate; however, even in the most critical accounts, she was never foolish about it. She never killed anyone whose death would cause a backlash against her or create a potential threat. On the other hand, Xirna's Zetian murders her entire family in the end and also kills Gao's dad and his criminal syndicate, who wanted to ally with her. Li Shimin also has a weird characterization. He was enlightened in some ways (very humble by emperor standards), but also brutal as hell. He murdered his brothers to take power. she tried to add that, but instead of killing his brothers for power, she just made her Li Shimin murder his brothers, who were irredeemable rapists that he had to kill for being awful rapists. Additionally, there's a big deal about him being half-Rongdi, but in ancient China, race was more understood through cultural backgrounds. Despite the real Li Shimin having Turkic ancestry, he would never been judged for it, plenty of emperors came from that background, as long as they were culturally Chinese and Confucian, it wouldn't be an issue.
No. 1963280
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>>1963270sage for slight blog post but i think sometimes historical "reimaginings" can be done well if the person is passionate about history.(June Hur writes these types of books and they were actually very well received in korea.)
I don't think being inspired by a historical figure is detrimental to a book, specially fantasy since it can provide a grounded background, though it is a little funny that The Poppy War's main character is a genderswapped Mao.
No. 1963284
>>1963280Just curious anon do you like the Poppy War? (Wasn't sure if that's what you meant by your post)
Because I find Kuang's work to be incredibly immature and heavy handed at best.
Poppy War read like YA trying to mature by hamfisting in gratuitous graphic violence and deflecting any criticism of the book with "its the reality of war!!11!"
The fact that the author is Chinese American apparently makes it A-Okay for her to essentially copy and paste actual atrocities from the Nanjing Massacre wikipedia page into her badly written fantasy story.
Sorry for possible derail but I really hated that book.
I was similarly disappointed with Babel even though I think it was a step above Poppy War in quality and maturity.
No. 1963296
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>>1963283It's literally Mao fanfiction, It wouldn't surprise me this was the reason she was disqualified from the Hugos.
>>1963284I thought it was okay-ish, very heavy handed and edgy as you said, imo Kuang's prose is very good and it's where the book shone the most to me but the "meat" of it was childish and not very inspired, I didn't express myself correctly but I meant I like June Hur's version of retellings more than Kuang's and Xiran's.
No. 1963302
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>>1959106I never understand the appeal of garbage like this. I assume any women into stuff like that have low self esteem. This reminded me, I hate those terrible book marks I always see on etsy with "READING SMUT LIKE A LADY" or something plastered on them. Like if you want to read that, that's fine, but you don't have to tell everyone about it.
(derailing) No. 1963428
>>1963369dont be silly
nonny clearly this can be fixed easily with 'Lord Voldedeath' winning and it will feature characters such as 'Henry', 'Don', 'Dragyn' and 'Hermine'
No. 1963507
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>>1963501samefag, It's one thing to take inspiration from history, but it's another to essentially rip off history and simply write your own made-up characters on top of it. It's like what happened with the Poppy War. If you've read any sort of history about the development of Britain, you'll find that it's essentially the 'lore' of his series, the first men are the Celts, the Andals are the Anglo-Saxons and the Targaryens are the Normans
No. 1963533
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right now Xiran is on twitter getting big mad at a redditor pointing out her entitlement and privileged situation
No. 1963534
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>>1963533… because she totally has a day job! on youtube!
No. 1963536
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>>1963533the comment in question
No. 1963544
>>1963139Does it matter? Her family owns a mansion in Canada, it’s so fucking weird for her to insist on playing the
victim card while roleplaying French revolutionaries from time to time and cracking “kill the rich” jokes like she isn’t one. She downplays her privilege and misleads her audience.
I love how it started as a small speculation but she just outright states it the CCP relations.
No. 1963546
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she's so mad she's tweeting every other minute.
her narcissism is astounding. "i'm your top earner!!! you're turning your backs on a guaranteed bestseller!!! you people should be working overtime for a chance to publish my magnificent oeuvre!"
No. 1963549
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>>1963547honestly not sure she's that smart. getting that mad at randos on reddit doesn't sound like a predetermined strategy
No. 1963552
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the reddit comment in question
No. 1963560
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she's still going on lmao
>yeah sure they gave me extensions b-but i would have been late anyway!!!
sure helping prove the "lazy entitled rich brat" point here
No. 1963563
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I knew coho wrote like shit but i didn't realize it was this bad wtf
No. 1963572
>>1963549>to prevent me from emptying my bank account kek, she can't even larp as being poor.
Oh the big bad parents who wanted to euthanize my cat!!! I had to open a gofundme to get more money for the vet because they didn't want me to use my considerable savings and wealth gotten from mommy and daddy, boo hoo.
Fascinating seeing Xiran pretending to be a poor oppressed
victim in every single way while simultaneously being so narcissistic and self-aggrandizing.
No. 1963575
>>1963560"extremely complicated"
Honestly, it cannot be that complicated that you need that many extensions, it just makes her sound either lazy or retarded.
No. 1963587
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unu capitalism bad
if she didn't want anyone to profit off her book she could just have put up her shitty historical AU fanfic on ao3 lol
No. 1963602
>>1963599She just wants to sound like a
victim being totes stalked and doxxed by the haters guise!!! Insufferable. She didn't even address any of the rightful criticism the Reddit post made either.
No. 1963633
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Someone made a fake page of a book she hated because the boring premise.
No. 1963635
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>>1963633Turned out, it was fake.
No. 1963645
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>>1963572she says the cat cost her 10k too.
>>1963602and she's gloating about the redditor deleting her account. nah shit you sent your rabid fanbase after her
No. 1963647
Has anyone seen Xiran’s TikTok’s? They’re very cringy.
>>1963534Those aren’t a lot of videos in the first place and I’m sorry but I doubt the topics require such in-depth research considering her opinions are just Instagram Infographs.
I remember towards the end over first video she wraps it up by promoting her book and I kind of went “ohhh this is just a marketing thing”.
No. 1963682
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the ego on this bitch i swear. she genuinely thinks she's doing her publisher (and the world at large) a favour by writing this book at all
No. 1963702
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>>1963635Oh hey that’s the sequel to picrel
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No. 1963712
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>>1963707it's totes a zionist conspiracy!!! good luck getting your publisher not to drop you after posting this shit publicly. woke kween
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>>1963712Can't someone go to her mansion and uninstall Tiktok and IG and Twitter from her electronics?? She really needs to step back and chill for a whole day or week.
No. 1963718
>>1963712Wow this dumbass is determined to avoid accountability for her stupid behavior, huh? The total lack of shame is almost impressive.
Using this as an excuse ironically dips a toe into “da jooz run the media” style antisemitism though kek
No. 1963822
>>1963717And do not forget the movie from the same company that directed… Twilight.
She even joked she was going to put Robespierre for the "token white person" in a Western movie like it was the least thing she wanted for her movie.
No. 1963836
>>1963720#justantizionistthings
she does that and then shits over reddit transphobia? how is retweeting nazis not career suicide or cancellation worthy at this point
No. 1963875
>>1963836>how is retweeting nazis not career suicide or cancellation worthy at this pointYou know why. Also you just add 'zionist' (or anti depending on the context) and you can basically make /pol/ tier claims without any consequence.
>>1963867I think it's specifically new york times best seller because the bar is low and you can buy your way into it.
No. 1963910
>>1963867>>1963875Most books sell incredibly poorly I'm talking like a couple copies a year. The actual bestsellers are trashy romance/light reading books women read on their holidays, and children's books primarily. The rest of sales are travel guides, school text books, and self help/spirituality books (a very small number of famous titles for the latter) plus movie tie ins get a temporary boost. nyt bestsellers are bought (you can either rig it by preordering your own book in droves, because most books sell so badly it's easy to be the bestseller this way) or simply paying for the spot on the shelf which happens in some major bookshops.
Even the most famous, highest selling books like Harry Potter only really sold copies on release day, and a trickle after that.
I feel like fiction authors somehow know zero of this actual sales data and hence why they are so up their own asses? Do their publishers lie to them or what? Like surely "bestselling" authors know these are paid for spots but they certainly talk like they believe it's real. They are not actually generating significant sums for the publisher, Xiran seems delusional over how irreplacable she is kek
No. 1963945
>>1963587If Xiran knows she's such a slow writer, why did she sign on to a publisher with a set date for finishing the book? Juts self publish it at that point
>you guys are SHILLING for CAPITALISMlmao fuck off with this guilt tripping bs
No. 1963964
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>>1963700
>i'm 14 and this is deep speaking of nov 9 the story is so shit but everyone just pretends that it's just so deep and nobody understands it.
to those who are curious- nov 9 is a story about a perv who tricks a house fire
victim into falling in love with him. said perv is a wannabe poet/screenwriter or something, who at some point loses a brother in an accident and brother's pregnant wife begs him to marry her (so that the child would have a father growing up i guess- incest, fatherless children in distress, abuse of women and pregnancy are coho's kinks. if you ever read any story of hers one of (if not all of them) will be mentioned)
the main premise of the story is that the two (benton and fallon (the girl)) only meet on nov 9 every year. they don't keep in touch in any other way. some shit happens and it turns out that benton was the one that set fallon's house on fire and nearly killed her. she understandably hates him until her own mother begs her to talk to him to understand why he did it. and it ends with them in love and happy. men are never wrong in coho's world and women are nothing but baby making machines.
(also i don't call him a perv for no reason- he's constantly written as coom brain who does nothing but undress fallon in his mind everytime he sees her).
sorry for the long post but it boils my blood that something this shit gets published and sells millions of copies. booktok tricked me into coho and i will never forgive it…
No. 1963966
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>>1963910I mean even bigger authors have day jobs, Brandon Sanderson teaches at BYU. And if they don't it's pretty common that authors are sahms (Sarah J Maas, Stephenie Meyer) or trust fund kids (RF Kuang, Chloe Gong)
No. 1963978
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>>1963910To be fair, there needs to be at least a smidgen of real hype about an NYT bestseller (or at least some money put into marketing it) or else people absolutely will call bullshit. Lani Sarem wrote a terrible book that no-one cared or knew about that shot right up the NYT bestseller list, people were rightfully suspicious, and it came out pretty quickly that she'd been inflating her numbers. But then again, maybe if she hadn't been so obvious about it…
No. 1964474
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she's so desperate at this point.
No. 1964675
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>>1964640booktube is shit. and either way this is not the thread for recommendations
>>1964474i love how she pressures people to order a book that isn't even close to finished by her own admission. i don't know why she thinks getting many preorders will stop her publisher from dropping her. they're not going to wait 10000 years for her ~guaranteed bestseller~, she needs to stick to schedule or they'll sue her for breach of contract.
also she describes her other book as percy jackson x yu gi oh… the fandomification of literature is real
No. 1964676
>>1964640I feel like Alizee and Rachel Oates are some of the better ones, mostly because both give well thouught out critique and are entertaining to watch. Alizee as nona said
>>1964653 tends to take the mick out of books but she's very charming and her non-book related videos are very enjoyable to watch imo. Rachel has a English degree iirc and seems very intellgent and breaks down her points in a digestable fashion.
No. 1964777
>>1964659>Unresolved Textual TensionI listen to them too!
>>1964640I like Unresolved Textual Tension, KrimsonRogue, and Man Carrying Things. I hatewatch Cindy sometimes and hoping for the day when she finally becomes a full-blown cow.
No. 1964828
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>>1964675I wonder if she'll face any potential backlash for not accurately portraying Chinese Islamic culture and history. She emphasized the inclusion of "non-Han" voices in her work and she is of Hui descent on her father's side. However, most Hui Muslims do not face the same persecution as Uighurs in China. While there are religious restrictions placed upon them, it is not comparable to what she described in her book. From what I've skimmed, her portrayal of culture and people's groups is purely superficial, reducing culture and heritage to merely "X food" or a few costumes
No. 1964842
>>1964828She'll probably escape a lot of potential criticism towards her portrayal of China, its history, and the groups within it due to having cultivated an audience of people who view her as an expert on these things thanks to the way that she presents herself and her channel, at least for now. If she falls from grace then we might see something- I've seen some critique of her work, but a lot of people don't really want to bother because of the backlash from her fandom.
Also, I can't really imagine a middle-grade reader enjoying a book written like your excerpts- maybe it's better in non-expository parts, but something tells me those might be few and far between or written the same. It's all just a bunch of talking points that appeal to Xiran.
>>1964837The yugioh aspect seems to be from the MC getting possessed or some shit by a dead emperor and an AR headset gimmick.
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>>1963667Colleen Hoover is the worst offender
No. 1964936
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>>1964860>a Muslim Jewish conservative pro life born again overweight Asian Latinx Brown homophobic transbian broad who cuts xirself: I want some representation of my persona in the media.Xiran:
No. 1964963
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>>1963667epic burn moment has to be one of my favorites
(for context this book was released in 2018)
No. 1965112
>>1960724obvious sage but i just remembered another really cringy bit from the witcher series
>elves live for 400 years but are only fertile for less than the first 100,>elves find it very hard to reproduce, with only something like 1 in 100 attempts resulting in pregnancy>except…>with human men, elves are always fertile and almost every attempt resulting in pregnancyi dont see any reason for this last part except as moid fetish fuel
No. 1965209
>>1965116he doesnt give the exact reason why, but that seems to be the reason
i forget the exact wording as i finished the series about 2 months ago and i dont have the book to hand, but iirc there is some very cringy wording along with it
>>1965200as tokien said “The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.”
having read some of his letters i think tolkein wouldnt be upsed with what people have done, he'd be furious
No. 1965284
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>>1962892Another example would probably be the works of author Michael Moorcock. Most of his works are only remembered in the context of "brooding male MCs" and starting the steampunk genre. However, most of his works dealt with issues of class exploitation, colonialism, and were rife with socialist ideology, but none of that matters, only the superficial elements are ever remembered and then stripped of all meaning.
No. 1965849
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every time xiran describes her books just makles them sound worse. she really treats historical figures like her OCs. "emperor taizong pacific rim AU!!"
especially jarring when she posts this shit in between 4000 tweets showing gruesome war injuries
No. 1966050
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>>1965849>Pokemon GoWasn't the book about playing cards like Yu-gi-oh? Keep your original plot at least.
No. 1966139
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Cait Corrain, who got caught leaving negative reviews on other authors' goodreads pages awhile back, has just done an interview blaming her autism for what she did, lol
No. 1966204
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>>1966139predictably, xiran is making the drama about herself.
she truly is the pixielocks of author twitter
No. 1966226
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>>1964851>>1964963My Immortal tier dialogues, I'd say it's even below that because at least Tara wrote in the past tense.
No. 1966278
>>1966204>>1966219I think she did? Still, she did sabotage Cait's career by throwing the stone and hide the hand by posting the reviews. If she didn't want to get involved in the drama, she wouldn't have even done the callout.
Xiran is just a hypocrite, but that's nothing new.
No. 1966336
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sage for zero milk, but I swear Gillian Flynn (the writer of Gone Girl) is going to get involved in some controversy or is already a potential cow. I got obsessed with her after watching Gone Girl, and I wanted to read her other stuff. and most of it was kind of weirdly sexual and kinda sexist, I tried to read Dark Places, but my god, the main character mentions how "uwu small" she is and her boobs every page. Then I read The Grown Up, which opened with picrel. I felt I was too much of an idiot to understand her work and that there was some subtlety to her writing that I wasn't getting. So I learned she used to review films, and I read some of those and I read some of those and she has the personality of a pretentious coomer, constantly whining about the lack of sexuality in media these days, and how awful is is. All that, along with her awful series Utopia, made me lose all respect for her.
No. 1966402
>>1966401Like I can only describe that her characters are only relatable to those try hard dark feminity
femcel types that try to be damaged and sexy to appeal to moids kind of way ( even if it can sometimes turn off guys, whinch you'll sometimes see em angst bout). Her only positive contribution is the often times cited "Cool Girl" monolog. I feel her writting appeals very little to actually unhinged women or women who aren't super het in some way
No. 1966410
>>1966401>>1966336she actually addressed these criticisms as far back as 2013.
>To me, that puts a very, very small window on what feminism is," she responds. "Is it really only girl power, and you-go-girl, and empower yourself, and be the best you can be? For me, it's also the ability to have women who are bad characters … the one thing that really frustrates me is this idea that women are innately good, innately nurturing. In literature, they can be dismissably bad – trampy, vampy, bitchy types – but there's still a big pushback against the idea that women can be just pragmatically evil, bad and selfish … I don't write psycho bitches. The psycho bitch is just crazy – she has no motive, and so she's a dismissible person because of her psycho-bitchiness.">Writing on her website, she concedes that hers is "not a particularly flattering portrait of women, [but that's] fine by me. Isn't it time to acknowledge the ugly side? I've grown quite weary of the spunky heroines, brave rape victims, soul-searching fashionistas that stock so many books. I particularly mourn the lack of female villains." It should probably be added that her lurid plots make no claim to social realism: to interpret her evil female characters as somehow representative of their real-life gender, you must willfully overlook hundreds of pages of other people and events that you'd almost certainly never encounter in reality, either. No. 1966464
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fresh milk from the hugo awards clusterfuck!
emails from the selection committee were leaked. the reason r.f. kuang, xiran and others were declared ineligible isn't because of direct CPC intterference. it was the people running the awards themselves who self-censored. they combed through the authors' online presence to check for anything that could displease the chinese governement.
the fans, predictably, are seething
full report:
https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ No. 1966483
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>>1966464Imagine writing a shit about an AU China that could displease the Chinese government. Disney and Dreamworks got a green light with Mulan and Kung Fu Panda, respectively.
No. 1966484
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>>1966476kuang a least seeems able to show some professionalism and let her publicist handle he whole thing.
but she def has cow potential. her whole book "yellowface" wwas basically getting back at the haterz. obviously designed as outrage bait for the twitter/booktok crowd, and they swallowed it whole.
xiran of course has no publicist and is already tweeting about it; she's mad they mangled her family name
No. 1966579
>>1966336i read all her books back when they were hyped up and they're all the same with the same predictable "plot twist" that boils down to "it was the woman who was the bad guy all along!!". it gets really boring after a while. sharp objects was especially shit due to the cringe coquette tumblrina cutter mc.
if i recall correctly i think she mentioned growing up with a lot of brothers? i might be mixing things up. but that would explain her sexist nlog attitude.
No. 1966591
>>1966579I remember feeling genuinely angry when it was revealed that
Amma was the murderer. It made me realize every woman in the book was being portrayed as a horrible human being for no reason. Also, the repeated depiction of the 13-year-old's "beautiful body" made me really uncomfortable.
No. 1966628
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>>1966554China? Being racist against a Canadian author even if she has Chinese heritage and broke Chinese culture with her horrid books?
No. 1966681
>>1966628it makes me wonder how sheltered her parents kept her about china and lends more credence to the idea that maybe her family weren't immigrants escaping/leaving a shitty country in their eyes, they chose to go to a stable, richer country with their wealth which is why Xiran is so ignorant about how the chinese government works beyond the cultural osmosis she picked up in canada and in school. except she acts like someone who doesn't even remember just how many canadian citizens on vacation have been kidnapped in china in retaliation for shit that happened between our countries. she should be happy the awards preferred to be safe or should be mad they set the awards in a country without freedom of speech to begin with instead of only getting mad after she got disqualified.
i strongly believe the idea that her family has cpp connections. they're probably not people who matter, but i believe they support the chinese government at least somewhat just given her overall ignorance about the bad in china. probably former government workers
No. 1966685
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not sure if this is milky enough but someone in the illumicrate server went to a book event with samantha shannon (priory of the orange tree, the bone season) and posted some stuff samantha shannon said. the thing about her finding out she's kweer because she likes her female oc a lot just gives me "tamsyn muir, self proclaimed lesbian married to a moid" vibes.
No. 1966748
>>1966681That's what irks me. China is not the paradise she tried to show in her book, nor her videos. She has even been in China before, she know how iron claw (eh) they're with freedom of speech, not mention also all the shit single women have to endure because back then women couldn't have girls so now they have to marry their moids.
But instead she wants to blame it all for being pro-Palestine? Xiran, being in disqualification was for the best, believe it or not.
No. 1966793
R.F. Kuang: Keeps all private and vague to let her agent handle the stuff.
Xiran: "I got a song that got on everybody's nerves…"
No. 1966909
>>1966685>that number 2I can believe it. Priory of the orange tree was one of the worst books I've ever read. Also confirms she has no idea how to write a lesbian relationship, the one in the book felt so asexual and "safe horny" and was there obviously just for brownie points. That entire books is just brownie points - the book. It's like I could almost feel her going down a twitter SJW checklist when writing it and feeling so smug about herself, every plot point is the most uncontroversial thing ever and
the villain reveal scene made me roll my eyes. Proof that literature that's made to be as unproblematic as possible according to twitter standards is boring as fuck.
No. 1967138
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>>1966939fucking kek she is
rules for thee but not for me personified
No. 1967760
Someone commented if moids do read the books made by tifs/enby and now I remember someone paid 4K for a book… Because Xiran sat on it.
No. 1967859
>>1967760kek, but did he read it or is he cooming on it?
wouldn't be surprised if we get the follow-up video, "the crazy pictures my fan sent me of what he did with his 4,000$ book"
No. 1968043
>>1967992I think it's been interesting to watch media, including books, include asian(/s, often just one though) for
POC diveristy points. There's such a clear trend in all of them to use the current popular asian group. If you go back to 90s and early 2000s it was usually a token chinese person who of course knew martial arts, probably had something to do with a chinese dragon. Then anime became mainstream popular and the token asian in every media was suddenly instead japanese, often either kawaii or mecha futuristic. Then kpop became mainstream - and as if by magic the token asian started to be korean, often associated with fashion and dancing (and somehow through all of it we still see the blue/purple hair streak trend).
No. 1968209
"Cait Corrain is back… Did I mention it was ME who discover her shit??"
This is like a cripple fight.
No. 1968271
>>1968269It's also rather frustrating because usually if a writer has to campaign on their ethnicity (and not just what's in the book), they haven't actually written anything all that new or interesting. But then these people end up shoved everywhere by companies who want a simple "woke" answer (which usually is bland but marketable) instead of just giving writers of different backgrounds a chance to succeed or fail and just being generally mindful to whom they generally platform. This starts to give
poc (and female) writers an overall bad name and if anything, validates any bigots who will use their experience with repetitive or bland books pushed by corpos to validate their beliefs.
No. 1968276
>>1968045She's clearly a gigantic narcissist, the payment she gets is the attention even if it comes from the most bottom-of-the-barrel moid merely wanting to objectify her. The money literally doesn't matter. And let's be honest she's not conventionally attractive either and is constantly sexualizing herself on her tiktoks, you can see it just in the above video how hard she pushed her tits together to show them off in that dress. Wanting to have her panties sniffed or a book she sat on jacked off onto by a moid probably fills her with delicious glee.
God help us when she finds this thread, the milkbags will be plentiful and flowing.
No. 1968300
>>1968271Yeah, this pisses me off too. Everyone's clamoring for diversity but the thing about writers is that they need to be good at writing, not at being speshul. It must be frustrating for the authors too, since the books they write aren't judged by quality but instead by the author's skin tone, birth certificate and pronouns. Not to mention the insane amount of scrutiny that these authors get since they're expected to be terminally online and up to date on what's woke with the customers these days.
>>1968277I get why subscribers would be mad at having the same type of book 3 months in a row, but I've been looking up books from past book boxes online and literally 99% of the listings mention that the book being sold has shelf wear from being displayed but it's unread. Why the fuck would these people get mad over something half of them literally won't even read? If it's a pretty cover they're after just display the book as an ornament and revel in the asspats from the wokies. I feel bad for anyone who actually reads those books, they seem to be the minority.
No. 1968301
>>1967992>with POC female main characters will 90% of the time have a white love interestI really don't know what your talking about, I'm sure there are some books with white love interests, but most that I've read or heard off features other "
POC" or queer love interests,
No. 1968311
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Anyone else think John Green is a shit author? When I was a teen on tumblr John Green was huge because of his youtube channel (which I was a big fan of at the time) so I got memed into thinking his books were great. I read The fault in our stars and thought it kinda sucked but that I must be wrong, read Looking for Alaska and hated it, read Will Grayson, Will Grayson and hated that one too, finally started reading Paper towns and quickly gave up because of course it fucking sucked too. All his books have flat boring characters and/or manic pixie dream girls for the awkward male lead to get his dick hard to. I'm especially grossed out he made me read a scene of a (teen) girl asking to suck the main characters dick while said character wasn't into her and the entire book is about him thirsting over a manic pixie girl instead. Couldn't look at the youtube channel the same after that and quickly fell off.
No. 1968363
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>>1968311>>1968326lol tumblr eventually bullied him off the website. first he got seething mad at a teenager posting about she didn't like the way he intercated with teen fans. he posted cringe ass shit like picrel. and then there was the incident when someone edited one of his posts to a copypasta about sucking dick. they reoved the the option to edit other people OPs in reblogs after that.
No. 1968364
>>1968311He's definitely a shit author but struck gold briefly with Fault in Our Stars in particular, back in the day (note that it's the book with a pretentious female MC and her pretentious [twagic] manic pixie dream boy). His other books were liked but it always felt like they had less staying power than Fault in Our Stars, besides maybe Looking For Alaska for those who fell for Alaska's hype like the MC did.
However, while John Green is absolutely a rubbish writer, his brother's sci-fi book was actually one of the worst things I read the year it came out (got it as a gift rip).
No. 1968381
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>>1968370those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it
No. 1968382
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>>1968370>>1968381tbf, he was a 30 year old man, interacting with teenage girls, that was creepy even back then.
No. 1968513
>>1968364Anyone remember that couple Dalton and Katie who both had CF who got themselves killed because they got inspired by the fault in our stars? Both acted like they were happy to die like Romeo and Juliet but in actuality they were on the organ list for a lung despite living together and constantly traveling and iirc Katie even got a transplant not long before she died. The issue a lot of CF suffers had with them was that they were literally a ticking time bomb because 2 sufferers can't be in close proximity safely for long stretches of time, let alone swapping spit so any transplant on them was a waste that could have gone to someone actually going to live but the two of them basically intended to keep using up transplants to fuel their selfish dreams.
I don't remember where these cows were discussed because it was ages ago, might have actually been tumblr cause all that's coming up in a search are stupid fluff pieces in honour of their stupidity.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/heartbreaking-true-love-story-fault-8901969Not John's fault but it just reminded me of these two cows. His writing isn't worth remembering but my brain remembers part of this kek.
>>1968381The best part about all of this is that he immediately dropped his "I'm cool and get tumblr humour" thing to keep reiterating that he's not homophobic but he certainly wouldn't suck cock (and also tried to make it a "teaching moment" about homophobia kek) before going apeshit and crying to staff that tumblr was being "mean" to him. Over a freaking copypasta about the taste of cock
No. 1968810
>Watching a video about politics and leaders that sent to kill people
>Maximilien Robespierre is in the first place for his Reign of Terror
>Xiran:
No. 1968815
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I used to enjoy ReadwithCindy years ago when she was more grounded and funny, tried a little harder with her style. She used to work in tech and have angry/rant humor that was NOT completely ripped from Twitterspeak. Now she is devolving into a fat, tattooed, le snarky spicy bi girlie, with her fatass girlfriend reading mid erotica for views. Her entire joke style is a middle schooler with her screaming OMG PENIS MONSTER FUCKER COOCHIE!! I hate her tattoos so very much, I miss the old Cindy when she didn't feel like another gear in the booktube machine parroting the same shit over and over.(sage your shit)
No. 1969133
>>1968815nta, but why did this get red texted? it brings up a new book coummnity cow?
>>1968382Imagine being an adult man writing books for teens about teens giving bad blow jobs and then going online to tell kids to flirt with each other and thinking that's a good look. I remember a video of him talking about people (his mostly female teen audience) being uncomfortable about a partner having had multiple sex partners before them, and he compared it to eating cereal saying something like "I can't un-eat the other cereal but I still enjoy this spoon of cereal" and it made me so uncomfortable at the time. There's just no reason for any social media person to talk about sex with kids and teens online.
No. 1969464
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>>1969133Do you know which video it is? I've only seen this screenshot.
No. 1969503
>>1969133Maybe the redtext was added because it was not saged.
Thankfully I never read Green, his books seemed cringe (especially with normalising teenage sex and
my own dislike of media with sex scenes) to me from what I heard but now he sounds like a certified groomer. Won't be surprised if he would be outed. What a douchebag.
No. 1969660
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Ole Johnny Boy aged like shit. About the nicest thing I can say is that he looks mildly less like a pedophile.
No. 1969891
these people have no real problems.
No. 1969895
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>>1968364>his brother's sci-fi book was actually one of the worst things I read the year it came out (got it as a gift rip).considering he's the the “I fucking love Science!!!” guy, but blindly accepts shit like troonism, It tracks
No. 1969950
>>1969895God Hank is so obnoxious. I hate it when he's hosting any of the sci-show eps, and ever since his cancer diagnosis, they got him to host more and more. I finally decided to unsubscribe when they specified "and when we say male, we mean sperm producing, and female as egg producing" in a fucking video about the challenges of determining the sexes of dinosaurs. As opposed to fucking what? An NB-saurus rex?
Not at all surprised he wrote a shitty sci-fi book. He's also friends with Linsday Ellis who wrote another shitty "sci-fi" book that's just a transformers het fanfic
No. 1970154
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>>1969891this is pure consoomer. these people don't even care about reading anymore, books are just some gacha shit with special edition rare items and loor crates and shit. social media retards are ruining literature
No. 1970405
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So, C.M. Kösemen(the author who wrote and illustrated All Tomorrows, All Yesterdays and other cryptozoological works) hasn't been involved in any controversies. but he's a weird guy, he's into AI art and he retweets porn, not regular porn though, but porn featuring his horrific, monstrous entities and "monster girls". I don't know if it's genuine attraction, irony poisoning, or if he just wants to show off his creations, but he's a weird guy.
No. 1970467
>>1961038Innocent is shit and the author panders to trannies in his new manga.
>>1963077If it's anything like it was in EastEuro commie countries, it doesn't mean anything. Plenty of people were encouraged to join the party for some minor benefits, but it didn't necessarily translate into any political career whatsoever. Both my grandfathers were in the party, neither had anything to do with politics.
>>1963252>that annoying marauders fic everyone is so obsessed withThe Shoebox Project, or is it something else?
>>1963772I feel like it's becoming popular because it's the new "forbidden love" thing. Earlier (as in, for most of history) it was class/status disparity romance, then it was gay romance, and now that these taboos stopped being taboos, we have incest. Beside's it's not that new, V.C. Andrews wrote tons of incest and so did Anne Rice.
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>>1970467>>1970535Same anon, but I opened the fic on AO3 and the summary confirms that the author is retarded.
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>>1964785you're in luck anon
No. 1970809
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>>1959324>>1959412Delaney is SFWA darling because of his twofer token status, they will cover his ass no matter what he does or says, and he's pretty upfront about his pro-pedo stance. Also Wikipedia jannies removed any mention of his support for NAMBLA or Hogg being among his notable works. Check the discussion page for their hilarious cope about it.
Speaking of SFWA, I feel I should mention Patrick S. Tomlinson, another one of their members and my current favorite lolcow, although his writing career is pretty nonexistant. He's been trolled by OnA forums for about 5 years now due to some minor slight, and in any normal circumstances I would feel bad for him if Tomlinson wasn't such a massive smug liberal retard with a terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome, who spends 20 hours a day on twitter arguing with people larping as his blanket, because he's too braindead to listen to sane people advising him to stop engaging the trolls. SFWA gave him money for his lawsuit, which he obviously lost and has now been ordered to pay OnA forums owner. He also got clowned on by literally everyone in the wake of the war in Ukraine for this absolutely retarded advice on Twitter, but is still deeply convinced he's some sort of military expert.
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>>1970522Heard of her books but didn't read any. That's fucking creepy.
>>1970809I had no clue who Delaney is (maybe that's good or just because he might not be widely known in my country), that's something disgusting. Of course the SJW neckbeards or the queer woke faggots won't even try to cancel him, like they do with Rowling. I think that whole circle is poisoned, I don't believe they would stay silent about the abusers as if they wouldn't know. They knew. Even writing a fiction like that is a sign of being deranged. Not surprised at all by the NAMBLA connection.
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Re-uploading old videos rather than write about her book.
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Molly X. Chang, author of To Gaze Upon Wicked Gods has been called out for stalking, harassing, and attempting to dox multiple reviewers who rated her book 1-star on goodreads. Funny how this author was just crying a couple weeks ago over the Cait Corrain situation and how racist it all was but is now also behaving badly and being racist towards these reviewers kek. Some of these YA authors are unhinged and too sensitive for publishing
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>>1974595>>1974595tbh it sounds like the reviwers are being bitchy about the criticism they received on their reviews, they specifically had issue with molly's male love interest being white and called it a "colonizer romance" and them being called out on it is somehow racist. It's all so dumb.
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>>1974609>>1974607No problem anon, my screenshot wasn't attached the first time i posted lol
I'm more weirded out by them not posting anything proof of the harassment or doxxing, molly hasn't posted anything on her social media about the review, was it on her private socials?
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>>1974603tbf this is an issue that many woke "
WOC" authors find themselves facing. A few years back, there was controversy with Chloe Gong (one of Xiran's friends, coincidentally) for featuring a white male love interest, even though the story was set in 1920s Shanghai. Then there was a black female author mentioned in the fandom thread who again, gave her obvious self-insert a white male love interest
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>>1974719Bingo
Also the reason Gong is a lolcow is more because she’s stupid and arrogant and wrote a completely unnecessary essay in response to someone complaining about pressure on young authors, basically saying that young writers were just salty and jealous of her getting her book published.
I’ve read her book and found it very pretentious and cringe. She’s basically a tumblr fanfic writer who got a break by being Asian and playing the race card.
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>>1974774>>1974618I actually did read the book, and she's not addressing the issues of colonialism and white supremacy. It's very obvious that her frame of reference is crime movies set in 1920s Shanghai, and those can be fun settings, but they can't work when the story tries to be serious. the book portrays Chinese cities not being run by white colonial officials and businessmen but by a bunch of white gangs, which is fucking retarded.
but that allegory falls apart when Roma's gang joins her, and the story delves into a bizarre type of orientalism, where Russians are suddenly referred to as "fellow Asians." and bad as the colonial allegory is, the issue of workers' rights is even worse. The only excuse provided is that "communists will take over," which is presented as a nebulous threat.
I feel it should be obvious, that the 1920's Shanghai wasn't a great place to be if you weren't rich. It was filled with exploitation and mass abuse, gangs did run cities and they were opening up brothels and factories with inhuman working condition, it's just a very bad book.
anyway here's xiran's goodreads review of it.
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>>1974595Molly X. Chang posted her response to these claims last night and is denying everything and blaming it on “a friend” and “third party” who was doing all the leg work in spying on reviewers for her. She’s also claiming that the reviewer named Sid (
https://www.instagram.com/sidthesffkid) and her author sister Sarah Mughal Rana (
https://twitter.com/sarahmughal769) are the ones behind all these rumors and smearing. Molly also claims Sarah was shit-talking/slandering her at a dinner with an unnamed friend. Her reasoning for being the
victim here is that she thinks Sarah is jealous over how much her unreleased fantasy book with similar themes as TGUWG was acquired for compared to her own (rumors are Molly’s duology sold for ~500K) and that Molly doesn’t deserve all the promotion she’s getting so she and her sister are trying to tank Molly’s career with false allegations. The whole thing is such a mess, very much seems like a he said she said situation where no one actually wants to own up to anything.
Link to Molly’s full response:
https://twitter.com/mollyxchang/status/1766935473518182905 No. 1974929
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>>1974595>>1974921Sorry to samefag, but I’ll have to post a couple times to get all this documentd but here is some of the proof the reviewer presented against Molly. I feel like Molly was kind of jumping to conclusions, making out a single reviewer into some big bully trying to drag her name through the mud because she’s connected to an author who wrote a similar book and maybe subtweeted her is a big leap. It’s mentioned multiple times that she has “trauma” and “anxiety” over reviews after the whole Cait Corraine incident so it could just be that she was being overly paranoid and connecting dots where they didn’t really exist. The sisters seem to be overexaggerating a bit though, Molly knowing the reviewers private account and posting a screenshot isn’t really doxing tbh. Again, just messy unneeded drama from debut authors who are ruining their own careers before they’ve even made a name for themselves. There’s a reason why you rarely see the big name authors involved in this kind of shit, they know to keep their heads down and avoid it.
Link to the reviewers proof:
https://twitter.com/hanneninas/status/1766964597112684649 No. 1974938
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>>1974595>>1974921>>1974929Not super milky but if you’re surprised our favourite cow Xiran hasn’t jumped on this story already, don’t be! She’s already involved in this as “the mediator” in all these caps. She was present at the dinner that keeps getting mentioned, was at Sarah’s debut event, and you can see her Instagram icon showing in some of the screenshots the reviewer posted of their conversations. At least this time Xiran can't continue fanning the flames to get maximum exposure on this story so she can reap the benefits kek
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Sarah seems like another clueless rich burger, like I swear 99% of Muslims wouldn't even care.
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>>1974929Somebody else posted screenshots that Sid would harass commenters that gave books she deems "
problematic" positive reviews and would imply they're pro-genocide and whatnot, the fact that she badly censored xiran's pfps and readswithrachel's username on her screenshot to the point its so fucking easy to tell them makes me lean more towards Molly not being totally schizo.
No. 1974989
>>1974938kek good catch nona
>>1974960she's overblowing the whole situation by including things like "guests had to wait outside in the rain" (as if book store staff can control the weather) and "there werent enough chairs" etc as if that has anything to do with the """anti-muslim imagery"""
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>>1974963>Please tell me her book flopped. How can anyone read and enjoy this in earnest?I hate to tell you this but it sold pretty well and was even popular on Tumblr and TikTok at the time. It was also released during the HK protests, when there was a strong anti-CCP sentiment. and in the second half of the book, the communists are portrayed as the real bad guys. but I didn't see it being discussed, more-so people drooled over the hot Russian guy and the female MC, whom they could self-insert as.
It's actually an interesting time capsule, because despite being released just 4 years ago, it still reflects the late 2010s, a more innocent time. It's not the worst thing in the world; it just tried to handle themes the author didn't have the maturity or knowledge to handle.
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>>1974618Is it just me, or does she suspiciously similar to her ideal fan-casting of her female MC?
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Looks like what seems to be the Chinese equivalent of poltards have caught wind of the drama surrounding Molly Chang. The harassment she's getting mostly seems to be coming from accounts with stuff like "Chinese supremacist", "MRAsian" and incel rhetoric in their bios. They claim they're pissed about her taking inspiration from Unit 731 but it seems like what they're actually seething over is that the romance in the book is between a white guy and an asian woman
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>>1975359so there seem to be western asian incels who hate her for having a wmaf romance but now, there are Chinese nationalists who hate her, alleging that she wrote a romance with a Japanese 731 soldier and a Chinese girl (which she didn't), and also for making the communists look bad.
https://twitter.com/mollyxchang/status/1767341238045290698 No. 1975399
>>1974786>>1974618Honestly, fuck her, So 2 years back, there was this minor author rebcca mix, who wrote a fairly mediocre YA book called "The One's we Burn" The book is set in a world where witches are real and oppressed group. It's standard racism bad allegory with supernatural creatures. Chloe Gong shared a particular Goodreads review that went viral. The review didn't critique the quality of the book but rather ranted about how the allegory itself was racist, this was near the tail end of the BLM riots. so the author faced death threats, her book was removed and ultimately she to quit social media.
Only much later did it become apparent that it was blown way out of proportion. the whole controversy stated cause there were two rich black characters portrayed as evil in a setting that was vaguely medieval Europe, but also incredibly diverse. As a result these morons were convinced that it was setting up a narrative of "reverse racism" where white people are oppressed and it was not inclusive of the experiences of POCs.
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Florence Ashley, a Canadian TiM, recently published a degenerate book full of AGP stereotypes and navel-gazing drivel he’s been relentlessly promoting on Twitter.
Twitter:
https://twitter.com/ButNotTheCityFlorence’s bio from Wikipedia:
>Florence Ashley is an academic, activist and law professor at the University of Alberta. They specialize in trans law and bioethics. They have numerous academic publications, including a book on the law and policy of banning transgender conversion practices. Florence served as the first openly transfeminine clerk at the Supreme Court of Canada. They are a winner of the Canadian Bar Association SOGIC Hero Award.Quotes from his new book that he has chosen to highlight:
>“Besides, we all know I pursued vaginoplasty because women’s clothing has no pockets. It was either that or learning sewing.”>“So I’m sitting there, crayola jizz on my titties…”>“I have not succeeded in my craft despite horniness but because of it.” No. 1975466
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>>1975377I think they only started up recently, they definitely weren't involved in the prior drama with the two sisters. Pretty sure they got involved because of some thread by another reviewer who was posting in defense of the book that blew up. You can see them in the QRT's and comments
https://twitter.com/ghoulcowboyy/status/1766506892098965630 No. 1975469
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>>1975359Glad she's signing out of twitter until the release because now knetizens and cnetizens have gotten a hold of this story. Girl is going to get torn to shreds if any of you nonas know how brutal they are over Kpop idols and Korean actors. Picrel are some of the reactions
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>>1975510They aren't Russian, different author. You're thinking of Chloe Gong. The colonizers in Molly Chang's book To Gaze Upon Wicked Gods are essentially Romans. She did say in a tweet she took inspiration from her grandfather's stories about Unit 731. The colonizer love interest commits similar atrocities apparently. She didn't directly say "yes this character is a Japanese Unit 731 officer" like some people are claiming
No. 1975525
>>1975499Even if they're incels doesn't mean they're always wrong. Unit 731 was some absolutely horrific stuff and the fact anyone let alone someone from Chinese descend thought about molding it into a YA trope filled romance is something that tells me she needs a lot more history lessons.
>>1975516idk if her grandparents are still alive but I cannot imagine someone that actually had a contemporary experience with unit 731 would be thrilled knowing she wrote this.
>>1975519It kind of reminds me of how everyone loved the Poppy War by Kuang who first of all rewrote Mao's story into that of a teenage girl. And also for some reason beyond me was praised for essentially including a part that was a essentially a barely reworded graphic description of the Nanking massacre.
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>>1975525>Unit 731 was some absolutely horrific stuff and the fact anyone let alone someone from Chinese descend thought about molding it into a YA trope filled romance is something that tells me she needs a lot more history lessons. I feel like that's why she's kind of backtracking on it now that she's realized it's not really her place to write about which is further angering people.
>>1975533To be fair The Poppy War is an adult book series but yea I've heard it's a pretty brutal retelling of the second Sino-Japanese war
>>1975539Kek I know, they always seem to come from rich immigrant families too which is ironic considering they always cry about privilege and all that. Meanwhile authors like RF Kuang have been in expensive private schools their whole lives and are basically a career academic who has never had a real job before kek
>>1975545Go look at the links posted, loads of random Chinese supremacist accounts and ones seething because there's a WMAF relationship in the book
No. 1975559
The funniest thing about the Molly X drama is that she actively compares her book to Zutara KEK
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this clown lacks so much self awareness
i know she’s referring to everyone dragging molly but lol
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>>1975814The controversy started even before the unit 731 reveal, because she stated it was inspired by her grandfather's stories of the Japanese occupation of Manchuria, which even excluding the stuff that happened with unit 731 was still horrific and killed millions of people and caused mass suffering.
No. 1975918
>>1975814The fact that she went out of her way to say it's just like zutara but is now coping and saying it's a character study about women stuck in
abusive relationships is hilarious. Just admit you basically wrote a race play book based on your family's horror stories kek
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maybe people confuse fantasy with ya because most of the current output is written in a 3rd grade reading level?
nope, saying the books are badly written is misogyny according to xiran
No. 1976589
>>1975499>she essentially wrote a story that was analogous to the Japanese occupation of China, but portrayed the Japanese parallel as whiteHoly shit, she still made yt ppl the enemy even in a situation where they weren’t involved.
>>1975551Imagine getting bodied by a fucking eurasian tiger comic
No. 1976783
>>1976588>Why would you advertise your book by… spoiling the story?That's how fanfics work and how you spot a fanfic writer larping as an author, you write rigid tropes and people wanting to read those tropes seek those fanfics out. You can tell she has no respect for her own craft or the story she created.
>"Disapora Feels"damn i'm sold, what good advertizing, how will i be able to resist burni- i mean reading this book
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I posted this before but it fits best here. Regardless of how you feel about either Riordan and JK Rowling, there's this trend in YA literature to recreate their successes with more diverse characters/setting. 'Harry Potter/Percy Jackson but' books - PJ but based on Indian mythology, HP but set in a Korean boarding school, PJ but based on African American mythology e.t.c. They all get hyped on BookTok. The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one. They never understand what made Harry Potter and Percy Jackson good in the first place. They only take surface-level tropes and try to apply them to their POC and/or queer characters, and they think they deserve an equal amount of fame, both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson didn't come from this mindset. The genres JK Rowling was most familiar with were mysteries and thrillers, same with Rick Riordan. When his dyslexic son showed interest in Greek mythology, he wrote a book for him by doing her own research on greek mythology and also trying to make it fun for his other children.
No. 1976877
>>1975550Yup. These woke YA writers are always the most whitewashed
poc possible too, who grew up in predominantly white upper middle class neighborhoods, had predominantly white friends, make an effort to dress eat and live as much like a bougie white girl as possible, only date white people etc. Then they pretend they were slumming it in a tin shack with Grandpa in rural China while he was recounting the horrors of Unit 731. Imagine thinking ‘yeah I should make a spicy romance story about this’ holy fuck it is peak navel gazing, disconnected diaspora privilege with complete lack of empathy for the
victims and an appropriation of that suffering with needless romance and sexiness added in. And the complete lack of self awareness too. Just pathetic.
No. 1976883
>>1975466Molly actually wrote a review where she gives herself 5 stars and justified her shit book with the following
>Villain love interest >All morally grey cast >Childhood lover turned traitor who has turned his back on everyone he loves >Star crossed lovers>Subverting expectations Kek she’s really so proud of pissing everyone off for attention.
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>>1976877Speaking of which, here's a minor personal cow of mine commenting on the recent Molly Chang situation. She's also a wealthy diaspora whose "novels" are mostly thinly veiled self-insert Final Fantasy and GoT fan-fiction. but featuring a "queer" and diverse cast and consistently including a tall, brooding white male character for her protagonists to ultimately end up with.
No. 1976920
>>1976881there's something really, really disturbing about how these people seem to be completely unable to separate actual real life politics and atrocities from their regressive adult baby YA discourse. going through xiran's twitter it really seems like as far as she is concerned, gaza and the latest YA author twitter cancellation drama are basically the same political struggle.
and idk, while these people are obviously extreme morons it also feels like this kind of twitter induced psychosis is a result of how information is presented on social media, where the only thing that matters is views and engagement and the content is basically irrelevant, so a video of an actual child getting blown up by a bomb and a post about how a fictional character in a romance slop series is "
problematic" just exist side by side like there's no real difference between them.
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>>1976920repost, a really interesting thing I'm seeing is that these people are applying the type of online activism that was mostly used for Black/Asian Americans and gay people on an issue that is far-removed from that world, like the rhetoric on the Arab/Muslim side of Twitter , "innocent Muslim women and children are being murdered" (and some anti-Semitism). And that's all that's needed to get 1 billion Muslims to condemn it. On the Western side, it's about how "queer/black Palestinians are also suffering" or "X invention was actually made by a Palestinians somehow." Again This type of activism is mostly used for American minorities and gay people. Seeing it applied to anyone outside those groups in an actual ethnic cleansing situation, is uncanny.
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>>1974938Finally, some drama that do not involve Xir-
>acts like a 'mediator'God dammit! She's like herpes!
No. 1977112
>>1977089adding to this, a lot of what is marketed as YA is not YA as it used to be. 10 years ago YA always had teenage protagonists only. nowadays many YA protagonists are in their mid-20s, maybe even older, and have actual adult struggles.
and it's not that weird that so many women choose to stay in the YA genre when moving on to more grown up genres means that you either have to read incredibly misogynistic schlock (because the adult fantasy/scifi genre is dominated by moids) or pseudo deep ruminations about adult women wanting to have babies, having had babies, or wondering if they should have babies. if these two are the main choices i'd stay within the confines of "18-25 year old female protagonist saves the world" too.
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>>1975519>>1976589The Zuko stand-in being white isn't that out of place, if you've ever been involved in the Zutura fandom. A lot of them often had Zuko being a white guy (a few times middle eastern), and the Katara being black or Indian. There was actually a whole discourse about how the Asianness of Zuko was being taken away. This was around 2017, so I don't know how much that's changed.
No. 1977195
>>1976817I feel bad for these
poc authors because I do agree that they should have the chance to write the same tropes that white authors got to write and find success in but these X but (their culture) books never do well :/
I don’t understand how you can be an author and not truly understand the book that you’re drawing inspo from…
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>>1977195That's because the same people that ask for "diverse" or "same tropes that got to write and find success" do not read the books after all. That's why I find amusing how Xiran claims her Iron Boring book is SOOOOO popular that a movie is made, but there are no updates about said movie, nor news about a new movie about certain book.
That's why if someone wants to write/draw something from their culture, their first fan must be their own. Imagine releasing a book you hate but people love it.
No. 1977414
>>1976817>The first book does okay, and two more sequels are ordered, but literally no one cares because everyone only pretended to like the fist one.These people who are writers of cheap copies of an original without respect for said original and only wanting to capitalize don't get compassion from me, they were doomed to fail from the start. People only "cared" because they got to virtue signal how woke they are and how bad JKR is
>>1976883>Molly actually wrote a review where she gives herself 5 stars and justified her shit book god that's embarrassing to get caught doing lmao
No. 1977773
>>1974603The concerns each poster is addressing is so wild. OP is talking the author getting harassed while the QT is like "nuh-uh
WoC just reviewed it". This is the world that tumblr created.
Were there book/author dramas like this pre-tumblr?
No. 1977953
>>1977781I feel her audience are tifs, TRAs, fujos and anybody who think supporting a
woc creator is "woke enough", even if she wrote the book for herself.
No. 1977993
>>1977773Tbh, the first seeds were already present in the LJ-era starting with events like the 2009 Race Fail, but people back then saw it more like an one-off fandom drama always instigated by the same weirdos from their small online corner rather than the emergence of a new all-encompassing cultural standard. The general dynamics were different too because people were attempting to push back against SWJ arguments in a way that would be unimaginable now and causing an internet fight, so it was less of a pile-up on a single person deemed to have committed the sin of impure thought that now must be mercilessly purged, while everyone else look on, clap and pray that they wouldn't be chosen next. People also spent magnitudes less time being online and cared less, the bastardization of theories from American identity studies hadn't been refined into the weapon for witch hunts it is today, and the idea that the prime goal of YA literature should be to fight SWJ culture wars was simply not a thing.
Even YA read by adults was not really a thing! Seems like a different world now.
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>>1977998I skimmed through it and there are certain elements I feel could probably be labeled as '
problematic' If someone wanted to argue about it, the description of the Mongol stand-in could be deemed insensitive, even though they barely appear and are portrayed as noble savagaes, also the giant mechas they pilot are from various ancient Chinese mythological figures but each one comes from a different region, So if you really wanted to reach, you could say she's appropriating inter-Chinese culture and I guess you could argue that it's disrespectful to various ancient Chinese figures.
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>>1978279>ur right but also how would you distinguish writing for clowns who reblog tumblr callout posts versus writing a fantasy story that has a gay couple or black peopleA normal person would just write a normal gay or black couple.
Someone who panders would write a gay trans masc man who falls in love with a bi mixed race non-binary
poc man, the couple also has a third love interest because being poly is heckin'
valid uwu making it a throuple. The trans masc spends a lot of time talking to people about the hardships of being trans, and they all validate her. She'll run her hand across the thunder-like pattern on her chest, she'll gently touch the stubble on her own face, gazing deep, deep into her own navel.
The half-white
poc spends a chunk of the story examining his own privilege for being half-white in this fantasy world where race doesn't matter at all (except all the bad people are white somehow). He ultimately proves himself worthy despite his sin of being half-white when he heroically defends his trans masc partners honor by refering to her as a REAL man.
I'm just saying… you can usually tell what the intentions were.
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>>1978279Normally, by not advertising the story in the same way clown shit is advertised. No fanfic tags, no describing characters or plots like a Twitter bio, no therapy speak, no author drama that you really care about.
>>1978285You forgot to mention the extremely tone-deaf and insanely racist representation of all the other pee oh cees, who are written so badly that even minstrel show producers from 1950s Alabama would be offended.
No. 1978322
>>1978279It comes in various levels of virtue signaling and pandering. You'll know right away what category it falls into based on how they describe the character(s). I think some of it is cashing in on a demographic that'll say how good of a person they are for reading "diverse" books. Some of it comes off like "I added this disabled, queer,
poc, activist side character that everyone loves, so please don't yell at me." It's not as bad in the lesbian fiction I've read, but it can get pretty invasive in the gay stuff to the point that the "lovable" 5-minute side character comes off as just as insufferable as in real life.
>>1978285>I'm just saying… you can usually tell what the intentions were.Exactly this. If the story's hitting all of the tumblr hot points of the moment, then it's definitely pandering and aiming for quick fame and cash. But I have to wonder how much cash is to be made off the virtue signaling tumblr crowd? My experience is seeing reblogs in the tune of "I wish I had money to buy this, but you guys need to buy and read this book!" And when you look at reviews of said book, it's badly paced, poorly written, and if someone paid an editor, no on can tell.
Anymore, it seems like you don't have to write a good book, just have good marketing.
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I don't get why xiran finds someone saying she looks chinese weird when she is, and being chinese is her entire online personality and her poorly written books are all about chinese culture and being chinese?
>>1978632it's almost like it was poorly written on purpose to make fun of troon pandering kek
No. 1978961
>>1978817it's like
>>1960969 said, she's always making herself look as the most chinese chinese person to have ever chinesed. i think she's mixed (iirc) so i guess she has a complex about it but acts all unbothered when someone points out how obvious her hardcore chinese-ing is.
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Seems like Tundra editorial is not going to publish Iron Boring and other editorial will do. How many days do you think this will last?
No. 1981207
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>>1981095That’s a bookstore, not a publisher.
No. 1981309
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Is posting author cringe allowed ITT?
No. 1981318
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>>1981312nayrt idk but i suppose it's because she's showing it off but the cover is tacky as shit? i love how they just drew the eiffel tower standing in the middle of nowhere like there isn't a whole ass city around it. the catacombs are overrated too, most of them are just disused old mine quarries, not some mythical spooky underworld.
also sounds like yet another of these books that is marketed as some other genre but is just thinly disguised romance
No. 1981329
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Books come with trigger warning lists now?
No. 1981368
>>1981329>>1981339Tells me what books to avoid at least, if the authour or publisher is that much of a retard I doubt the book would be any good. I went into Cows completely blind and while that was a very unenjoyable read that I dropped quickly even something like that doesn't need
trigger warnings. God these people are so internet rotten, if you are upset by the topics in a book and you're half way through and don't want to continue reading just read something else, it's not that hard.
No. 1981382
>>1981329>car crash>grief and loss>mental illness>orgasm denial????~
trigger warnings~ should not exist in books at all but this is just silly and goofy, maybe the "writer" is trolling kek
No. 1981389
>>1981329It's pretty common for indie romances to have
trigger warning lists nowadays, especially dark romances. It's retarded but increasingly expected amongst the indie romance readership. If an author doesn't do this, there's a chance that crybullies will attack them over '
problematic' content or whatever. These lists aren't the norm for trad pub books, so there's that at least
No. 1981404
>>1981329if the book has a two page
trigger warning list it's either including mundane shit that wouldn't actually
trigger anyone and disrespects people with ptsd turning it into nothing, or the book should literally just start with "this is a book with dark themes, turn back now if you're sensitive to anything". And I doubt it's the latter.
It'd be nice to know if a non-dark book involves rape/serious sexual harassment or domestic assault going in for example, but when you start adding every little thing it's obvious you don't care about real
triggers for people with ptsd and only virtue signaling. I have an old book which warns about a graphic rape as the book didn't look that dark at all going in which I think is reasonable. I think it's nice actually if it's done reasonably and respectfully which nowadays it feels like they're usually not.
No. 1982196
>>1982182Considering how misogynist her
self-insert oc is, I'm not surprised.
No. 1982249
>>1982024>a queer fan>horrid moid with a fetishnona those are the same thing kek
but yeah no despite her readership most likely being dominantly female no woman would ever buy a book for 4k because a medicore female authour rubbed her butt on it, that's just moid behaviour
No. 1983543
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>>1982249After this tweet, I'm not surprised if she knows the moid that bought her butt rubbed book is a white moid.
No. 1983655
>>1983543She says as if left wing "feminist" males aren't also known for being "exotic" fetishists. Especially cause most grew up with asian porn as teens and are even more bold about being open about their porn usage in leftist spaces. As opposed to the right who get their "yellow fever" out in other ways (or at least keep it hidden unless in spaces that openly fetishize "submissive" Asian women).
Sad day when no feminists remember to mock the concepts of "not all men"
No. 1986273
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Apparently Xiran's literary agency and her agent dropped her KEK. Gee, who could've seen that coming? She and her agent (@RachMBrooks) don't follow each other anymore and her agent has been removed from her site. I'm not an expert on the publishing industry but trying to find a new agent can be difficult, especially if the author was basically "fired". I wonder if she'll be able to get someone to represent her again
No. 1986317
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>>1986314and then started vagueposting
No. 1986581
>>1986273>>1986423KEK
seriously tho, this was obviously going to happen?! you can't just act like a diva dick online and think people will put up with it
No. 1986592
>>1986548>>1986581This is probably the first time she's been unable to bully or pay her way out of consequences. Xiran's life skills consist of wearing the cheapest Aliexpress costumes she can find and sperging out online until her loyal mob solves whatever she's mad about. Wonder why that didn't work this time?
RF Kuang is on a completely different level despite being another keyboard activist. She didn't get dropped by her agent, her work is praised by both critics and the general public, and she actually writes the books she's been paid to write. No matter how much of a nepo cow she is, or how annoying she is, she does her job and brings in money. God forbid Xiran does her job and writes her fucking book instead of shitting herself online over some retarded non-issue.
No. 1986811
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speaking of cosplay I'm shocked no ones ever called her out for blackface or some shit over this mess of a costume. Isn't darkening your skin for cosplay a federal offense in whatever fantasy land she lives in?
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>>1986811KEK imagine if booktok caught wind of this, she'd get obliterated. there's no way in hell she didn't edit herself darker
No. 1986955
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>>1986811>>1986896I think her fans would claim "she has olive skin, that's called tanning" or some bullshit to not call it blackface. But China has a bad image being racist to anybody, it would make a huge deal in booktok.
No. 1987092
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>>1959094Would be a real tragedy if someone sent this to some of her most sanctimonious minions– I mean fans with a big following.
>>1986955But imagine if they put that side by side with THIS one. Now we've got skin darkening AND skin lightening. It would be pretty hard for her to talk her way out of that one KEK
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There's also THIS fucking gem. Didn't we all know Gal Godot was Israeli from the getgo? Where was her Palestinian activism then?
No. 1987439
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Finally some book drama that do not involve Xiran (yet).
It seems like Freddy Moon turned out to be a white person with five "pen names" and not a woc. And Twitter is taking it exactly like you're expecting.
No. 1987518
>>1987439Never heard of this person before but Freydis Moon sounds like some wannabe edgy norse god inspired name kek
Pen names aren't unusual and makes sense if you want to separate genres, what did she actually do to fake being black?
No. 1987592
>>1987518That's the thing: The problem to booktok is not the multiple pen names but the fact that she is a white woman doing blackface and being a bully claiming everybody is racist against her.
No. 1987778
>>1987592>The problem to booktok is not the multiple pen names but the fact that she is a white woman doing blackfaceThen why did y'all not say so or provide screenshots lmao some nonas shouldn't ever work as milkmaids.
Sorry not an attack on any nona, just think it's hilarious a person was doing blackface and anons just reported on the least offensive part instead
No. 1988788
>>1987439ugh I wish more nonnas were talking about this drama - it's so milky and encompasses everything wrong with woketok kek.
apparently she already had 2 pen names, got into minor cancellation, vanished, came back with pen name #3, got exposed by some twitter user with farmer levels of sleuthing skills, vanished again, came back with pen name #4 but got exposed by having almost the same writings in their drafts. and get this, they also got signed by a literary agent who couldn't identify that this person is white, due to the fact that she didn't want to video call because of "muh dysphoria". literally catfished her way into fame.
Oh and she wasn't really blackfishing, more like brownfishing (""latinx""). she seemed deeply into it too. maybe she's like a mexican Rachel Dolezal (btw i got all this from Cindy's video but I didn't want to link that sperg)
No. 1989734
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Seems like Xiran got an appendicitis. I'm glad she survived, but I hope she can take a rest from social me-
>checks her Twitter
Damn.