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Last Time on the "The One Where Karma Is a Bitch" Edition…
> Dan Avidan continues to prove that the 80's really happened by never maturing past that time period
> People continued questioning if his relationship with Ash was real or if we all needed to get her mental health checked out by a professional
> There has yet to be a single person to figure out what the fuck Kati is talking about with her plays
> Fans continue attacking the great mythological Heidi for ruining everything good in the world
> WoTC finally OFFICIALLY cancelled 'Dice, Camera, Action', and the fanbase collectively lost their goddamned minds. Holly handled it surprisingly well publicly, but Jared tried to get the fanbase to turn on WoTC by saying "I tried to save it - but they didn't want to!!"
> Jared began having Holly on his streams, just in case anyone left in the gaming world was unaware (or even cared) that they were still together
> Holly posted a "What advice do you have for me?" message, and less than a full week later, went on a twitter rant about how happy she is and how awful sites like lolcow are for apparently not wanting her to be happy Image Credit:
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>>914128Previous Threads (The ProJared Saga Begins):
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>>897566Character Descriptions and Stats:
Jared "the Wormdick" Knabenbauer
>Known for having a gaming youtube channel where he reviewed games>Formed "Waffle crew", the D&D group that would soon turn out to be a dumpster fire>All hell broke lose when his ex-wife revealed he has been manipulating, abusing and cheating on her>Soon after, other victims of his started leaking chat logs and nudes>Turns out he was soliciting underage porn >Went into hiding>Throughout DCA, his D&D character, Diath, was having an on-going romance with Strix, his co-player Holly Conrad's character>Turns out they were also involved IRL, cheating on their spouses>Holly is currently whiteknighting him on twitter, while he is trying to manipulate his side-pieces from the shadows>One of his side-pieces fell for it and now is changing her initial statement, trying to get on his good side (even though he ghosted her before)>Heidi accuses Jared of threatening legal action if she speaks up. Unfortunately Heidi casts “Absorb Elements” just like she did for his initial divorce statement. Jared takes an extra 1d6 damage on her next melee attack. Strength: 5
Dexterity: 5
Intellect: 15
Stamina: 10
Luck: none
Charisma: send noOds
Holly "Manic Pixie Butterface" Conrad (current power-level):
>Got into D&D, started thinking she's literally Strix - her character>Cheated on Ross with Jared the Wormdick while trying to manipulate both Jared and his wife>Once Heidi (Jared's wife) revealed her as a side hoe, she locked down everything and checked into the tumblr hospital>After getting back on the net, she started autistically defending herself and Jared, claiming she never cheated and Heidi is literally Hitler>Professional victim, her NPD can be seen from space>Emotionally abused Ross, claimed she never felt love until she met Jared>Claims to have not cheated on her ex-husband despite his refusal to make one comment about the situation in her defense>Can't stand even tiny criticism about herself, reads her lolcow thread though>Compared Etika’s suicide, a popular black YouTuber, to her own suicidal ideation by showcasing they both received clown emojis as “bullying.” >Suffers backlash from the black community, Etika’s fans and Twitter>After being called out for taking advantage of a person’s suicide, Holly infamously deflects criticism by tweeting, “I’m sorry. I’m mentally ill.”Strength: uwu
Dexterity: uwu
Intellect: 4
Stamina: 100
Luck: ran out
Charisma: clown emoji
Holly Conrad’s Previous Stats:
>Holly is a “talented cosplayer/craftsman/special effects artist and well respected in the community”, even appearing on Syfy's "Heroes of Cosplay">Was one of the main focuses of the 2011 Documentary "Comic-Con Episode IV: A Fan's Hope" (directed by Morgan Spurlock)>Originally gained notoriety for her Commander Shepard/FemShep cosplay>Married to Ross O'Donovan, beloved animator and member of the GG Family, from 2012 to 2018>When it came to Arin/Suzy vs Ross/Holly most people preferred Ross and Holly, because they felt less fake and Holly was famous separate of Ross, not riding her husband's coattails like Suzy.>Was best buds with Jared's wife Heidi, another talented and respected cosplayer/craftsman>Apparent tragic backstory = quirky anxiety uwu. I don't really know the whole backstory on this one, not sure if it really matters. >But was apparently close to her grandfather and inherited his house(?) in Washington(?) when he passed away which was in theory part of the reason she and Ross amicably split. Jared and Heidi just also happened to live in Washington.>Other speculated factors included Holly being asexual (lmao), the toxic GG fan-community, "having codependency issues", and wanting to leave LA while Ross wanted to stay>Publicly their divorce was mutual, amicable, and came as somewhat of a shock….OR WAS IT?>Basically all this drama is so juicy because Holly "quirky manic pixie dream bird gurl, asexual anxiety, luvs animals so obviously wouldn't hurt anyone uwu" Conrad was the surprise plot twist villain we never saw comingFor More On Holly Conrad:
>A History of Holly: >>838840 (Source: PULL)Strength: uwu
Dexterity: 20
Intellect: 17
Stamina: 22
Luck: 100
Charisma: Not Suzy
Heidi of the House O'Ferrall, Hell Hath No Fury, Giver of Zero Fucks, Destroyer of Careers
>Non-lewd cosplayer, talented craftsman and elf >Produces tutorials and shows her work in progress pretty in depth>Has a degree in Theatre/Costume Design>"She had sex with my husband", top 10 anime deaths of all time>Married to Jared Pedodick Knobslob>Was in a poly relationship with Jared>Claims Holly was the reason it didn’t work out >Outed Jared’s infidelity and set twitter ablaze>Working on her current divorce and perhaps a defamation against Holly Conrad for trying to claim she had BPD and that psychologists have deemed her “unfixable” >Has started to become more vocal on that drama since Holly’s Etika sperg>Claims emotional abuse by Jared and gas lighting, and also seems to insinuate her enjoyment of sex has decreased>Blocks overtly sexual cosplays because of the ProJared controversy >Currently living alone in a new home and trying to start up her business and craft in a way to support herself>Accuses Holly of being vindictive enough to have done everything in her power to end her marriage and happiness Strength: 90
Dexterity: 71
Intellect: 82
Stamina: 64
Luck: 20
Charisma: Zinfandel
NPCs:
Dan Pirro from the Honorable House Pigeon
>Dedicated white knight of Jared and Holly’s that created a campaign to prove #heidingthetruth>In direct contact with Holly Conrad Flying Monkeyhttps://twitter.com/SweetestRadsJessica Slater from the Honorable House Pigeon
>Holly stan and dedicated “sister” https://twitter.com/CupcakeValkyrie >Runs a clearly objective truth blog on tumblr while putting down Heidi on twitterhttps://jaredhollyheiditruth.tumblr.comParticipation Trophies go to the following for their dedication:
>Denica >BorkScorpion, RainbowTressym, TigerNightmare, UnicornHoodlum and others>May or may not be sockpuppet accounts>Tier 3 WKs, to be mostly ignored>Autism awareness is sometimes being aware of who to avoid
>Jared Knabenbauer/ProJared:https://twitter.com/projaredhttps://www.youtube.com/user/DMJaredhttps://www.instagram.com/projaredgram/
>Heidi O'Ferrall/AtelierHeidi:https://twitter.com/AtelierHeidihttps://www.youtube.com/user/AtelierHeidihttps://www.instagram.com/atelierheidi/http://www.atelierheidi.com/
>Holly Conrad/Commander Holly:https://www.instagram.com/commanderholly/https://twitter.com/HollyConradhttps://www.youtube.com/user/CommanderHolly
>Normal Boots:https://twitter.com/NormalBootshttps://www.youtube.com/normalbootshttps://www.instagram.com/normalbootsofficial/The Expanded Universe:
**Game Grumps
Previous GG Threads:**
>Jon vs Dan speculations, are the Suzy nudes real or fake, blah blah blah, old news. Seriously, don't ask to be spoonfed this old dried up milk. Go read about it on your own. >There is a whole subreddit dedicated to GG Rule 34 where they sexualize the girlfriends/wives as well as the grumps called r/polygrumps. Suzy once long ago tweeted in support of polygrumps, but it seems like an especially toxic corner of their already toxic fanbase. I doubt she would confirm that support today.>GG sells a merch line called Game Gyaru "based on Arin and Danny, reimagined as female characters inspired by the anime series Dirty Pair, named Arina and Daniella respectively". It's a blatant tracing of the characters from "Dirty Pair" that they did not initially acknowledge.>GG release body pillows of Dan and Arin. They sell out very quickly. It's gross: >>792883>Guess what Jon's an even worse blatantly sexist/racist person than we ever could have imagined>Katie/Suzy/deviantARTSuzy "the Goose" Berhow:
>Has a history of scamming fans by buying cheap jewelry from China and the likes and reselling it to fans with an absurd markup as her jewelry line or as one anon put it: "creating a really expensive jewelry line that involved very little effort on her part". Arin has to come to her defense when people find out.>Previous threads over the years were mostly about Suzy's "thyroid-related" weight gain and absurd styling choices, scamming, and how she's a ~rEaL gAmEr GuRl~ >No one seems to really have complaints about her current styling choices since she lost weight and the skunk stripe and adopted a more natural look (it's much closer to her twin sister Jean's)>Suzy was a "model" when younger, and will still constantly repost the same pictures from her past over and over again, in case anyone forgot>There sometimes seemed to be some unspoken tension between Suzy and Holly. Suzy seemed to give off the vibe of being uncomfortable not being the only cool gamer gurl in the GG group, especially when up against a girl that seemed to prefer and respect.>Seems plausible that she prefers being the female center of attention given the theory that JonTron's swift and dramatic departure from GG was due in part to some beef between Suzy and Jon's girlfriend at the time. IIRC this is still all just speculation. (Jon's too big of a topic, read that one on your own for the full backstory)>A/N: I would be kind of surprised if she showed any support for Holly at all, but maybe that's just meKatie (Most recent GG drama unrelated to PigeonGate 2019 ):
>Suzy claims she and Arin have been together since 2002. Arin's mysterious deviantART ex Katie shows up from an apparent cryogenic sleep after 10+ years and throws an insane hissy-fit about how Arin was pursuing HER during that time and she turned HIM down. >Thinks Suzy poisoned Arin against being her BEST FRIEND despite the fact that she was married, disappeared from the internet, lived across the country, and was definitely leading Arin on for some time. Arin seems to have bought her some gifts in this time.Game Grumps:
https://twitter.com/GameGrumpshttps://www.youtube.com/user/GameGrumpshttps://www.instagram.com/gamegrumps/
>Suzy Berhow/Mortemer:https://www.youtube.com/user/Mortem3rhttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzHWMl59l72-lZQDA0uW8yghttps://www.youtube.com/user/meeperfishhttps://instagram.com/mortemer/https://twitter.com/mort3merhttps://www.etsy.com/shop/PsychicCirclehttp://flapflaps.tumblr.com/
>Arin Hanson/Egoraptor:https://www.youtube.com/user/egoraptorhttps://twitter.com/egoraptorhttps://www.instagram.com/egofaptor/
>Dan Avidan:http://ninjasexparty.com/https://twitter.com/ninjasexpartyhttps://www.youtube.com/user/NinjaSexPartyhttps://www.instagram.com/ninjasexparty/
>Minor cow Katie, rejected Arin way back when and regrets it now that he's famous:https://twitter.com/dropsofvioletAbout Dice, Camera, Action:
>DCA is/was a popular D&D livestream DM'd by Chris Perkins (WoTC story designer)>It's cast consisted of Holly Conrad, Jared Knabenbauer, Nathan Sharp and Anna Prosser >All of them turned out to be cheaters, hooking up with each other and breaking marriages/engagements
>Wafflecrew/Dice, Camera, Action:http://yt.vu/a1ZbgywIF6Yhttps://twitter.com/livewafflecrewhttps://twitter.com/NateWantsToBtlhttps://twitter.com/AnnaProsserFiled Under “Other”:
Ross O’Donovan
Do Not Bother Ross O’Donovan
>Game Grump and animator You May Support and Subscribe at:
>Ross O'Donovan/RubberNinja:https://twitter.com/RubberNinjahttps://www.youtube.com/user/RubberNinjahttps://www.instagram.com/rubberninja/Reminder from Mods:
>Subjects have to be 16+ to be discussed on lolcow. Do not include Holly's 15 year old friend’s face or social media posts here. >This is also a reminder that cowtipping is also against the rules, do not contact the girl or her parents because of her relation to Holly.>Keep whiteknight posting to when they actually spill milk. No. 914147
>>914135That's just it, Anon. Holly is desperate for attention - The good attention from her fanbase makes her all warm and fuzzy, but the bad attention fuels her need for sympathy since she knows her fans will rush to comfort her.
It's the classic narcissistic "Adore me!" trait.
No. 914149
>>914147It's the dumbest shit. "I want them to stop talking about me that's why I'm going to mention them and the fact that I lurk there."
Everyone with common sense should be questioning that cunt on why she's constantly coming here.
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Do any of y’all ever notice that after sperging about getting hate, Holly tries to tweet the most mind-numbingly normal, ordinary things?
You don’t just get to whine and then pretend “nah I’m happy, I don’t let the haters get to me!”. Nobody’s buying it, Hoelly
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Oh god, the fucking irony in Holly “YOURE AN ABUSER - PSYCH I JUST SAID THAT CAUSE YOU YELLED AT ME!” Conrad saying that being mean is rude is just intense.
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No, you dumb bitch, it was also you defending your gross and Predatory boy toy that cheated on his wife with you and god knows how many fans, in addition to soliciting nudes,
No. 914197
>>914192Gotta love how Holly & her WKs keep complaining about how 'outdated'
marriage &
cheating is.
…Almost like they're trying to justify something, eh?
No. 914199
>>914102Are you fucking kidding me???
I guess Holly just hasn't gotten any asspats and/or money lately, so she needs to milk it some more!
No. 914201
>>914190Why doesn't she shut the fuck up and go do what she keeps preaching about.
>>914192It's a site filled with mostly women and it isn't an accusation if it's true. She's legit retarded, I mean "mentally ill".
>>914193They do. KF is laughing at her for these tweets.
>>914198I forgot all about Sam. You're right, she got kicked out for trying to be the third wheel in a "poly" marriage in Washington where the guy was also a pedo that got half-naked photos from young girls and fans. Damn, she and Hoelly have a lot in common.
No. 914209
>>914207Clout Chasing Garbage Pail*
Fixed it for you, Anon. She’s a 30+ year old woman, acting like a petty ass 12 year old who stomps their foot when they don’t get their way
No. 914215
>>914186This is such cringy bullshit. She wants a pat on the ass for walking to the store? Kids walk through treacherous terrains and deserts to go to school. Her rich, pathetic ass needs to get over herself. She's too old for this childish shit.
>>914214Telling her to stop making a person's suicide about herself is silencing the witch.
No. 914320
>>914192I just can’t get over this. She weaponised the “crazy evil woman who tries to ruin her innocent husband’s life” trope (when actually Jared ruined his own career by sexually exploiting his fans), encouraged MRAs to harass Heidi, accused
victims of her sexpest boyfriend of lying for attention and happily associated herself with fucking Keemstar and she’s claiming to be the
victim of sexism? Shut the fuck up, Holly.
No. 914332
>>914176Makes me wonder what Dan and Holly's friendship is like now and if she legit hates Ash. She mentioned during a stream that during the divorce process he kept checking in on her.
Reminds me that all of Ash's interactions with Suzy have been awkward as fuck. Only woman in the Grumpsphere who seems to like her is Allie.
>>914212And that's the thing - we have proof positive there was emotional infidelity going on at the very least before Jared and Heidi divorced. They both cheated, there are even texts where Hoelly tells Heidi she needs to confess the emotional affair to Ross. It's also all but substantiated that Jared was cheating on the both of them with random fans.
She can pretend that they're all free and happy in their new boho pigeon-filled life, but happy people don't hatesearch themselves. She wants to cause herself emotional pain for a reason, or couldn't stand that most of the thread had turned into pointing and laughing at Dan and Ash.
>>914320Holly's only a feminist when preaching about herself or strangers. Women she hates are unfixable and horrible.
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Appreciate the sentiment, though there's another Australian you never apologized for screwing over.
This doesn't make up for it.
No. 914364
>>914334It’s all fake anyway we know she’s an empty husk of a person pretending to have feelings.
It’s why her sexual awakening was based around roleplaying and not having an actual human connection to someone.
No. 914417
>>914392
>"the texts about Holly telling Ross something was not about emotional cheating, it was about the polyamory offer"Fun fact: If you're considering polyamory and have literally NO IDEA how your husband would react to the offer, you've already crossed an emotional line with this other person.
>"She said she has to talk with Ross before anything else"Which she should have done before even CONSIDERING the idea of fucking a mutual friend and coworker. You don't go to your spouse like "Hey babe, I've been seriously thinking of fucking my married coworker and they've offered to open their relationship so that I can do so. Thoughts?"
You talk to your spouse first, full stop.
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It's funny to me because it was not long ago that Holly whined how WotC won't have her back.
Because Wizards of the Coast, a company geared towards children, wouldn't mind being affiliated with a woman who complains publically about gossip sites calling her a cheater "because it's apparently 1645."
Looking at Jared's liked tweets, looks like he is ready to send out his wormdick again. Holly is modern though so I'm sure she is fine with being cucked ( ° ʖ °)
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Surprised people like this are still allowed on Twitter…
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>>914603
>"She was spending the night with her boyfriend"…Got any proof of that, hon?
No. 914623
>>914610Don't think it even matters at this point, that ship sailed along time ago.
Though I feel people will still be arguing about it up until or even beyond the day that Jared, Heidi and Holly have all died of old age.
No. 914626
>>914610“Do you have any proof that he was crossing your boundaries?”
Motherfucker, if a person says “hey, you’re crossing my boundaries”, that is literally all that’s required. She doesn’t have to write a ten page dissertation to the general public, proving that her husband made her uncomfortable.
Also, how exactly was Heidi spending the night with a boyfriend when said boyfriend lived in an entirely separate state? Her partner didn’t leave their spouse and move to Washington to be with PedoDick.
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>"Everyone who claims otherwise have only heard it second hand or third hand from bad sources."
Yes, 'bad sources' such as… Jared himself.(old milk)
No. 914676
>>914649Someone post the screenshot where he literally said “mandatory, send nudes”.
But yeah pj stans, he never demanded nudes except for all of those times that he actually did.
No. 914680
>>914649"There was never any kind of incentive"
I would consider getting attention and compliments from someone you admire an incentive, but what do I know.
No. 914710
>>914688He is fairly distant from his fellow veteran NewGrounds buddies, yet he does follow Holly.
Probably A)to see her sperg out or
B) Isn't friends with her but probably just forgot.
Like PewDiePie said recently when asked about Markiplier, social media interactions (or lack therof) mean nothing.
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I wonder if Hoelly is ever going to realize that her sperging out almost always results in her losing another 100-150+ followers.
Her tantrums are having the opposite effect and driving people away. Imagine that /s
No. 914780
>>914774Yep, especially with the "They're (lolcow) gonna ss this anyway…"
Just like when she was supposedly seeing how long it took to get hate on one of her tweets
No. 914789
>>914782She’s such a fucking idiot even if we believed her saying she didn’t cheat on Ross with Jared she helped Jared cheat on his wife and mentally abused Heidi by calling her
abusive all because Heidi demonstrated having boundaries and normal human emotions.
The fact that most people who sympathize with Heidi are women who went through similar emotional abuse and Jared/Holly sympathizers are leftover women from DCA fandom and men who hate women who are conventionally decent looking says a lot.
No. 914801
>>914793Chris Boutté is a fraudster, a wannabe Keem and a "
victim of cancel culture" (ie the people he obsessed over on his drama channel masquerading as a mental health channel clapped back at his fat ass).
I don't see why anyone would go to him for objective commentary.
No. 914808
>>914793The Rewired Soul, besides being a well-known fraud and liar, is obsessed with cancel culture. He is completely biased when it comes to the Jared/Holly/Heidi situation. The Rewired Soul believes he was unjustly cancelled when the internet found out how much of a snake oil salesman he is. He sides with Jared and Holly because they were also "cancelled" like he was. When he argues against cancel culture, it's just a narc attempt at clearing his own name.
It's funny that Jared/Holly have such little support that people have to resort to dragging out the absolute scumbag that is the Rewired Soul.
No. 914876
>>914793I included people like him
>Jared/Holly sympathizers are men who hate women who are conventionally decent lookingCome on everyone know TRS is a grifting narcissist whose word holds no weight. Of course he’d align himself with fellow narcs.
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>>914876Yes but is more neutral and even offered Heidi support, not sure why she didn't take it
No. 914881
>>914793Oh that's right, I forgot - one person analyzes biased evidence and leaned towards Holly and Jared. Clearly everyone else is fucking wrong and just supporting cancelling an innocent dude!! /s
>>914808
>"People have to resort to dragging out the absolute scumbag"Back when PedoDick released his "comeback" video, people were begging PewDiePie to speak out on Jared's behalf - clearly, none of them have the best decision making skills.
>>914877
>"Even offered Heidi support"The fact that he immediately turned around and started giving her shit indicates that Heidi was able to see right through his "I'm here for support!" bullshit and knew it was just a way to get close to get intel.
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This is just hypothetical.
But if Holly and Ross were still together, do you think Holly and Ashley would have gotten along?
Also what was Holly and Dan's relationship like? It seems there is few photos of them in the same place, even though they must have obviously been closely acquainted, I don't even think they did Grumpcade together. Please reply with pics of Holly/Dan together thanks!
No. 914975
>>914970Holly is essentially an ultra pick me. Jealous of prettier women even though Holly herself is dating a guy and the girl is already taken herself.
Actually, is she considered a pick me? Does she want male approval or just attention regardless?
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>>915046I deleted to add more.
But I said.
Misery loves company, they might despise each other but will stay together because without the same social status they had before their options are narrow to nonexistent.
And unrelated photo of Jared and Heidi together just to
trigger Holly in case she comes lurking.
>they'll stick by miserably to not own up what a fuck-up it was to engage in this.That too.
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just to remind everyone how fuckin wild katie is, all the time
No. 915096
>>915085They don't like each other?? Lol, proof?
They don't seem to take many photos together, though Suzy and Holly seemed to be good friends.
They hanged out even without Ross and Arin around. Then again they have had more time to get closely aquainted since I think they met before GG was formed.
Also weren't Suzy and Heidi friends as well? I am pretty sure they were but no existing photos together I believe.
Anyway maybe Suzy and Ashleys friendship will change in time.
Though I can imagine Suzy seeing Ashley as just someone who just jumped in when Dan was huge, where Suzy prides herself in being with Arin before his Newgrounds days.
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>>915078Ew, God, she's gotta stop obsessing over Arin.
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>>915111My bad, it wasn't even "they fucking learn a lesson" it was "I can charge them for"
No. 915118
>>915111That has absolutely dick to do with what I said. It wasn't a Heidi defense, it was a "Holly hates anyone considered pretty because she's ugly". No need to reach to defend her, it's a pattern that
Holly does and has nothing to do with something that Heidi said.
>>915112Again, this has nothing to do with what I said. Scroll up to see the context.
No. 915120
>>915118I gotta say there is a bit of a difference between the following statements:
> Pretty girls always win.> I hate that pretty girls always win.> I hate pretty girls because they always win.that you don't seem to get. Of course you are trying to milk almost decade old milk like a true enthusiast, but the farm focus is on the fresh milk.
No. 915148
>>915138same, ah KT I missed you.
is anyone saying anything back or is she just shitting into the void as usual? I am SO curious about this woman.
No. 915198
>>915110KT, I can guarantee you Ross gets @'ed on Twitter
several times a day by
many people.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if he already has you muted, because I wouldn't put it past you to try & exhaust
any &
every attempt to reach Arin & anyone who knows him by now.
No. 915200
>>915078You know, it's weird seeing people
still trying to shit on Heidi when
this woman is still at large.
No. 915266
>>915111
>"When someone points out the outrageously cruel shit that Heidi was tweeting"Holly fucked her husband. She's allowed to be salty. Also, she never blatantly called someone an abuser just because they said "Hey don't fuck my husband", so there's that.
>>915119Go back to PJ2, pal. This ain't the place to claim Holly has changed when she clearly fucking hasn't.
No. 915312
>>915119>>915112>>915111Oh hey Holly - you should probably learn to be a little less blatant with your perusing of lolcow since you publicly stated you were aware of it.
Also, for the record, as a 30+ year old woman, you/Holly don't get a free pass for being shitty just because some time has passed. You fucked a married man while being married yourself - Fucking deal with the fallout or keep your legs together.
No. 915369
>>915355You killed me, anon
>>915112As a person who worked with shitty people with babies. I would have agreed with this. This was an angry tweet about work shit
Holly has shown time and time again that she is jealous/hates other women, especially those prettier than her even into her 30's
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Not sure why she had self-esteem issues though. It seems even Jackscepticeye was attracted to her , unless she for some reason thinks he is ugly as well.
She dumped Ross for Jared, if someone like Pewdiepie or Markiplier asked her out she'd probably reject them too.
No. 915404
>>915275Exactly. Holly displayed this same behavior in recent years, not just a long time ago. She's an attention whore that thinks she's always in competition with other girls. This is especially true if the girls are into "nerdy" things.
>>915374The more photos of her are posted, the more I see that she has looks not even a mother could love. What the fuck is with those choppy ass bangs and comma eyebrows.
No. 915408
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apologies if these have already been posted, but i was just perusing around projared’s tumblr via the wayback machine
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No. 915434
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>>915424So he was still sexting fans while he was cheating on Heidi with Holly?
Not suprised, the guy can never be satisfied with just one woman.
/pic loosely related
>>915429Jared did have his social status to elevate him. With women [sometimes] social status can subscounciously elevate their perception of a man's physical attractiveness.
Like Jonah Hill the burger flipper likely would not have as much luck with women as Jonah Hill the Hollywood celebrity.
Men on the other hand tend to judge more face value regardless of any superficial qualities the woman may or may not have.
Of course every individual human has their own preference, this is just an observation.
No. 915451
File: 1578546344745.jpg (2.5 MB, 2862x1692, Gamercouples2020s.jpg)
Unfortunately only a select few managed to cross over into the next decade. Which ones will survive? Who is next to fall?
Keep the popcorn in hand folks, since nobody knows what comes next!
No. 915455
>>915434yes men judge face value definitely thats why all guys wanna bang madam curie vs a stripper
>>915450guessing dan's not gonna make it and idk who that bottom left is but he definitely has skeletons in the closet. Arin enjoys when suzy gets bitchy and they are working out together so unless he stops and she gets a trainer while he digresses to hut they staying. pewds could kill a dude he has the money to hide it well,jack is a low possiblity of bad stuff,jon is like pewds but it's most likely nazi stuff
No. 915456
>>915455Top row left to right:
Arin&Suzy,Ross&Holly,Jared&Heidi,JonTron
Botton left to right:
PeanutButterGamer, PewDiePie, Jackscepticeye, DannySexbang
No. 915491
>>915374
>"Seems even Jackscepticeye was attracted to her"Bro, liking an instagram picture does not mean he was attracted to her. He just hit the heart button.
>>915404In all fairness, a mother might love it - but any mother with a modicum of self respect would bitch slap their kid into the next millenium for acting like Hoelly has in the last 1-2 years.
>>915408
>"It's quite prominent"If you have to talk about how big your dick is, you just need to take the L and your micro penis and leave all of humankind alone.
>>915419Where do either of you live that Jared qualifies as masculine in any way, shape, or form?
>>915450tbh your post reads like a shitty video description. These are peoples lives, anon - If they're shitty and milky, go for it, but don't run around hoping for failure.
No. 915518
>>915491come on anon, that dick has got to be four inches of pure MAGIC if it's got holly
still acting like a fool kek
>>915451i'm howling here. if this aint the next thread pic
No. 915777
File: 1578617087252.jpg (1.32 MB, 2860x1644, GamerCouples_2.jpg)
>>915459>>915518>>915451Noo! There was a small mispelling, fixed it though.
No. 915788
File: 1578618481331.jpg (3.5 MB, 2862x2358, Gamer Couples_3.jpg)
Also fuck here is a 3rd version with some other extras since the main contestants are running dry of milk.
From top left to right (with more popular spouse):
-Egoraptor,RubberNinja,ProJared,JonTron
-PeanutButterGamer,Pewdiepie,Jackscepticeye,DannySexbang
-MatPat,Pamela Horton/Ian from Smosh (both are pretty popular), Boogie2988, Markiplier.
No. 915790
File: 1578618594951.png (263.23 KB, 1000x879, best look.png)
>>915198Also, her profile links to a DeviantArt account where pic related is still featured. Not really the best look.
No. 915818
File: 1578621224861.gif (915.82 KB, 477x347, J77C.gif)
>>915788I honestly don't think Arin and Suzy will ever split. Not because they have a perfect healthy relationship or anything, but high school sweethearts mate for life usually. Well, until one cheats because they've never been with another partner, or murders the other because they've never been with another partner. That's what Forensic Files has taught me anyways. Doesn't necessarily mean they have the happiest most fulfilling marriage though. Arin is 33 and Suzy is 31(?). If they got together in 2002 that's 18 years approx. I think after a certain point unless one person commits a major offense, it's just not worth the effort of breaking up and moving out, even if you're not happy. (inb4 Katie calls the police on me saying 2002)
Also I can't tell if you did this on purpose or not, but this looks like a stage select screen with them all greyed out like that. Which begs the question: when all the remaining couples are defeated and after you boss rush them all over again (which I guess is when they all hate fuck each other after breaking up) who's the final boss? Is the final boss Youtube itself? Youtube is the big hand from SSB that's been controlling them all along?
No. 915826
>>915818Yeah, I agree. I think Arin and Suzy are together for good. She has such a terrible personality and a, frankly, fucking bizarre face that she lucked out finding a devoted guy who got rich doing nerd shit. No reason for her to leave him, and he's the kind of guy who would never leave her no matter what happened.
I say "terrible personality" but she's seemed to have chilled out lately. Could it be maturity? We shall see.
No. 915864
File: 1578630756891.jpg (70.24 KB, 593x663, internet terrorists.jpg)
Stop being internet terrorists before KT drops an internet drone strike on you.
No. 915871
>>915777Dan and Ash will last until they either get engaged and the vast difference between their expectations pull them apart or until they marry and have a kid and her fundie family demands they baptize it or . I predict a hilarious divorce where Ash claims he psychologically tortured her, and an eventual friendship with Kati.
My runners up would be Gab and Jack. He pulled some Shit in that relationship he had with Wiishu so I can see that being a recurrent issue.
If their relationship goes, so does Jack's with Grumps, since
Third runner-up is Holly and Jared, which isn't listed but is going to be fucking hilarious when it implodes when he cheats on her. Which everyone and their mother knows he will.
No. 915882
>>915864Y'know, I wasn't hating on KT too much before all of this since I didn't know much about the situation, but JFC - Is she for fucking real? Internet terrorists?
THe fuck??
No. 915886
File: 1578637739361.jpg (38.56 KB, 500x352, 147.jpg)
>>915408How did he not immediately realize this anon ask is a fucking copypasta?
He actually answered it sincerely, jesus christ.
No. 915894
>>915886Because PedoWorm suffers from Napoleon Syndrome a.k.a. Little Man Syndrome, as well as a severe case of brain rot.
He honestly thinks women are tripping over themselves to hop on his weird curved dick. They'd be better off spending $50 and getting a decent vibrator - less chance of Hoelly going full Fatal Attraction when she realizes her One True Love™ is into someone else.
No. 915909
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>>915905This. Holly felt she was more deserving of Jared than Heidi (which is true, Heidi definitely deserved better than Jared Knabineloabeober). While Holly is a shit person who deserves a shit partner.
Which she had been trying to do for a looong time, possibly since they met in 2013.
No. 915922
>>915909I wonder if Holly's stopped and thought about how all of her supportive comments over the years about Heidi and Jared's relationship has come back and pretty much made her "SHE WAS
ABUSIVE!!" story impossible?
Like, how are you going to say something like "I'm sorry you're going through this" one day and then claim "She was abusing him and I wanted to help him leave!" the next?
No. 915926
File: 1578648306932.jpg (1.18 MB, 1828x1359, PDP_Holly.jpg)
IIRC Pewdiepie mentioned meeting Holly in his first video about ProJared. They must have became acquainted through Polaris.
They played a game of FriendZone together, but there is no archived footage of it anywhere as far as I'm aware.
Because an interaction between them would be cringy to watch.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 916029
>>915904sageing for slight irrelevancy but TL;DR highkey suspect that jack cheated on wiishu with gab, and gab cheated on her husband with jack. Suzy and Arin talked about gab non stop to Jack (while she was still married, this is something he claimed himself) which is how he got to know her. Both gave out very abrupt, out of the blue separation announcements that were very similar in format, and Jack broke up with her while he was in LA and she was still in England, and their story constantly changes. Gab's husband seemed totally oblivious to any foreshadowing about divorce and both were planning to move back to the Netherlands to start a family until Gab got thirsty for Jack's dick and now she has tied him down to a dull life of repetitive lets plays and mooching on his fame.
Point being so I don't get banned: they are all sucky people. Dodger and Strippin / MatPat and Steph / Dunkey and his new wife are probably the few good couples left. I haven't heard or seen any drama with Mat (concerning Steph at least) and Dunkey is pretty chill. Arin and Suzy will probably grow old together out of habit and comfort at this point. Better to keep themselves contained to each other I guess.
TBH I actually theorize that Hoelly will stick to Jared until HE gets bored, not her. Since she dumped Ross for him, and became an uwu
victim to stand up for him on the internet (what a waste of martyrdom, honestly), he's never had any apparent issues either finding more females or sticking to one. She risks losing a lot more than he does if they split. Although she already lost her dignity so….
No. 916031
>>915905Idk if it was discussed earlier, but Ross also wore Dr. Who cosplay at their wedding, while was in some kind of Shepard-inspired look.
I do think that connecting over fiction is something she requires to begin a relationship. With Ross it faded over time as reality set in. Jared and Holly are creating their own fiction, but who knows how long they'll be able to maintain it without an audience to care and tell them they're special and meant to be.
No. 916050
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>>916031>Jared and Holly are creating their own fiction, but who knows how long they'll be able to maintain it without an audience to care and tell them they're special and meant to be.We know from how Heidi described their phone conversations, and how they seem to be now. It seems Holly is the one who invests more emotionally out of the two. Jared ideally should do the same, but he probably knows from what Ross told him to not have his hopes too high.
Pic loosely related
No. 916092
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>>916054This is it. Holly's entire life is a roleplay. If you followed her at all before she destroyed her career for Jared, you'll know the story of how she went to Scotland to study magic/medieval shit because of Harry Potter. Why I am sure you'd know this? Because she brought it up all. the. time. during her streams.
Her favorite thing to do at school was to walk around the city and pretend like she was in Harry Potter. The only time I can remember her bringing up any actual classwork was to say how terrible she was at it (she failed her Latin class).
I've always wondered why Holly never did a stream about medieval history, but now with what we know about her it seems like her "medievalist" persona is just another one of her roleplays.
No. 916097
>>914192Wow.
This proves Holly has not learned anything nor grown emotionally at all. She is still just as awful as before.
No. 916106
>>916092"I used to live in Edinburgh!" "I used to live in Scotland!"
… girl, you were there for one academic year. Which you didn't make much out of. For fuck's sake lol
Watch this hollow twat claim she's "soooooo European in her morals" next. You know. Because she lived in Scotland for multiple months, once. And apparently took nothing away from the experience.
No. 916147
File: 1578702247072.png (2.39 MB, 1958x1220, holly.PNG)
>>916129The auto-generated captions are shit, but she says "Do you think I could suggest a medieval magical?" completely unironically in a modern pub.
These vlogs are a window into her true personality. A constant downer.
No. 916204
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>>916092It suddenly makes sense why she cosplays as an academic in her daily life. She really is that insecure and empty. Maybe she could have gotten an actual job in academia, but no, she pretended to be a witch instead
No. 916221
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"I was rejected from college because I wrote a fantasy story!" Once again, it's never Holly's fault.
>>916212She's claiming she finished a degree in "Medieval Studies".
No. 916222
>>916221Jesus, Holly, those places have guidelines for submissions, it's your own fucking fault for not following them.
She really is the spoiled brat who can't handle not getting her way.
No. 916259
>>916110Because who would know what their culture should be better than some boring white hipster broad who spent a grand total of, what, a year in the country? /s
>>916204Her idea of "academic" is reading some buzzfeed articles - not actually doing in depth research at all.
>>916221
>"I was rejected because I wrote fantasy"No, you were probably rejected because you wrote a BAD fantasy story. You can't tell me you were the first or only one who wrote fantasy for a Creative Writing program.
No. 916264
Dunno if this was ever discussed but…
https://youtu.be/G73blsaUDuE?t=320053:20 onwards…
Jared brings up an ex of his self-insert's. Perkins hints a future guest star could play her, and it really sounds like he might be referring to Heidi (Holly and Anna's then-husbands had previously guest-starred)… and watch as the pokerface-less Jared and Holly both lose their shit and start being incredibly uncomfortable.
No. 916270
>>916264I always wondered why Heidi never appeared on DCA, Grumpcade/Tableflip with Jared. I feel like it wouldn't have much of a problem for her to have appear as a guest on the Game Grumps especially when lived in California.
But I think with Heidi's personality she doesn't like being in the public eye as much as Jared or Holly. Considering she only recently started streaming again since the divorce (and before that still hadn't streamed for months). Whereas Jared started again almost right after he uploaded YBLT, and Holly not too long after the divorce.
Yes in interpersonal socializing she is probably extroverted but to the general public or on camera not as much. Which is even more evident by how she wasn't able to make her first YouTube video without Jared's support.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAh75a-x_kK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link No. 916327
>>916318This is fucking incredible. Holly Conrad, a supposed "witch", went and disturbed someone else's sacred space and STOLE THEIR PERSONAL POSSESSIONS.
Like what the fuck lmao. How entitled do you have to be, how disconnected from reality, to think that is in any way okay. I'm no believer in "magick" or whatever but Holly's definitely reaping her karmic rewards with her social life and career in ruins. I hope she has to get a fucking job at Walmart or something lol
No. 916342
File: 1578747713127.jpg (673.28 KB, 1069x1996, 20200111_075732.jpg)
"It's the full moon's fault I'm feeling guilty for cheating uwu feel sorry for me"
How can someone be this unlikable
No. 916344
>>916342Ugh she really is giving TND a run for her money in the "no self awareness melodrama" category. Holly, why do you think you
might be feeling guilt and shame? Is it because reality is seeping in finally? Might you actually grasp that you've done shitty things and hurt people?
… what am I saying, her dainty delicate narcissist's ego can't grasp being at fault for anything.
No. 916363
>>916342
>"I watch Independence Day and have a tiny ice cream."The whole post is cringy as fuck and begging for attention, but that line in particular is fucking hilarious for some reason.
have your ~tiny ice cream uwu~ holly. you deserve it.
No. 916371
>>916029"they are all sucky people. Dodger and Strippin"
I can't find anything bad on them. What'd they do?
No. 916383
>>916318>While walking around in rural Ireland, Ross's Aunt Jenny and I stumbled upon this house. Inside was a ritual space with a circle and tree sculpture. It was amazing!! I want to keep the location secret, as this was or is someone's place of worship that we left with respect. Enjoy the adventure!!>Also the book was not near the ritual site and was buried under debris in a corner, so I left a gift as a trade"We treated this site with respect! But still stole a book from it! But that's okay, we left a gift (probably a hand-written thank you note) so it's not REALLY stealing!"
Jesus, if this isn't the pinnacle of proof that Holly has no issues breaking others' boundaries and taking whatever the fuck she wants and thinking a "gift" will totally make up for any wrongdoing…
No. 916389
>>916327Well her DCA fun is over and people now know that she's a sloppy, thieving homewrecker who
>>916342 still has to fish for attention instead of being fully given it now so I think you're right about karma.
No. 916402
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Apparently this happened. What a fun game of "Friend Zone" that must have been. Holly has been trying to get him for years.
No. 916434
>>916342What does she think she's recovering from? Getting called a cheater, which she is???
Compared to getting cheated on and having your entire life upended. Ffs.
No. 916508
>>916327She is the reason why national parks have rules about not taking cuttings from the flowers and plants - because she would dead ass destroy the ecosystem of the area for her shitty witch aesthetic
>>916342
>"In retaliation I watching Independence Day and have a tiny ice cream"Bitch, you are a whole ass adult. Watch what you want, eat what you want - nobody gives a singular fuck, but quit trying to make your lack of self control into a "uwu not like other girls" mindset.
>"Doubt, guilt, shame, all things I'm fighting. Still recovering"Bruh, as long as you're fucking a dude who was married when you started banging (then again, so were you…), you'll have to live with the knowledge that you sank your career for some weird potentially pedophilic wormdick. You shouldn't GET to escape that shame.
>>916434She's recovering from all of Heidi the Whore's
abusive, obviously! I mean, how fucking dare Heidi ask Holly not to fuck her husband??? /s
>>916452It's because she's a fucking Narc, anon. Anything that doesn't go her way 100% of the time is just someone attempting to attack her and ruin her life (nevermind the fact that it's her own actions that led her to this point)
No. 916528
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Oh god I hope Idle Champions rubs it in more. So many people in the comments winning about Diath,
No. 916541
>>916508Maybe guilt wouldn't consume her so much if she ever actually owned up to her wrongdoings.
But she's incapable of that. It's always "sorry for offending you" or "sorry you misunderstood me", she never thinks she does something wrong, everyone else just doesn't get it. Or they're
abusive people who don't value her needs.
>>916528Aaaah, the pissbabies are at it again.
No. 916631
>>916342
>"all things I'm fighting right now…"How about you
stop fighting it & actually
reflect on the things that you did. You'll never 'recover' if you keep fighting it.
No. 916639
>>916548
>"Jared and Heidi would have been great parents!"Oh hell no, they would not - maybe away from Jared, Heidi could be a great mom, but her and PedoDick together would have been awful.
Adding a kid to an already
toxic and emotionally
abusive marriage is a recipe for disaster.
>>916634Which, I mean, even if he HAD married her for the green card, he had an established career in this country long before divorce became an option, so it didn't really matter.
No. 916642
File: 1578783740361.png (8.38 KB, 543x108, Screenshot_29.png)
so does anyone else remember the Jared/Hoelly stans screaming that Chai/Charlie couldn't be trusted because they have their pronouns in their twitter bio?
Also "She/they"? Fam, you're a whole ass adult cis female unless you're now trying to pull the "I SUPPORT TRANS/NB PEOPLE BECAUSE I AM ONE OF YOUUUUUUUUU" card, hoelly
No. 916662
File: 1578787036012.jpg (654.37 KB, 1386x852, OnisionHolly.jpg)
Loosely related to
>>>/pt/746783Onision lives close to Holly and Jared, I wonder if all 3 of them secretly meet up for drinks every weekend.
I might be going overboard but it wouldn't surprise me. Bet Holly is cheating on Jared with Onision as well, seems like her taste.
No. 916663
>>916662Wait….so you've gone from "Maybe they meet up for drinks" to "I bet Hoelly Cumrag is fucking Onion Boy too"?
That's tinfoil to the most autistic degree, Anon
No. 916712
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That awkward moment that someone who was left a solid million in a will has to beg people to help fund a podcast.
No. 916716
>>916713and the kicker is that she's talking about getting EVEN MORE chickens once the weather improves (this time hens because apparently she only has one female right now and then males are being too rough with her)
So she can afford 10+ chickens (which, I could be wrong, but she's toeing the line of too many chickens legally for her area), 50+ pigeons, a cat, and god knows what else - but can't afford a shitty 1-2 time a week podcast??
No. 916729
>>916712>>916716>>916718What's the matter Holly? Spent your
grandfather's hard-earned fortune on silencing anyone who
dared question your current boy-toy's actions?
No. 916812
>>916809
>"Because everyone is doing that"Because the fucking continent is on fire, you ignorant sow (holly, not you anon). This isn't some new, trendy, hipster thing that EVERYONE is doing - This is a fucking crisis that needs all of the help they can get.
I'll believe her big talk about "I'd like to do it for charity" when she actually follows through for once. After both ripping off a cancer patient and the whole t-shirt donation debacle, I don't have high hopes.
No. 916849
>>916812I'm going ot a bit, look it's bad but we (Australia) are a rich country relatively speaking, it's not the entire continent and any fire map purporting to show you that is faked for maximum twitter drama. It's horrible for sure, but I'm sitting here not on fire for example. There's a fuck ton of hyperbole on sm about it and a lot of image recycling form past fires too, for shock value. The evacuations look very dramatic because its traditionally holiday time here, but many have second (main) houses to go to, only those that don't are the ones suffering. Holly may well know some of these things since she was married to an Australian. If the fire services get to buy planes and shit because pop stars gave them money as a virtue signal, good news.
Animals and wildlife are the big casualties here and they don't exactly get govt assistance or red cross, the army is helping a bit and the rest is nonprofits - I'm sure there's a way she could specifically help birds in wildlife rescues if she wanted to go digging for info on it.
No. 916901
File: 1578843665844.png (629.15 KB, 589x584, coupleshang.png)
New couples hang-out pic (with Dan's friend Joe fifth-wheeling it kek)!
Wow, Ash isn't dressed like a twelve year old pageant reject, a miracle in of itself. Glad someone dragged Dan out, sounds like he spent most of Friday crying over the Rush guy - which is probably why he invited Joe up from Jersey.
No. 916911
>>916839that's what really got me too. we all see holly for the self-absorbed vain bitch she is, but some place you've been to and seen with your two eyes and existed in and know to be real should
not be this hard to feel for. this isn't an abstract concept that her white ass would be too entitled to grasp, it's some place she's had some kind of connection to, no matter how vague.
imagine the levels f cuntiness needed to completely wash your hands of a global tragedy like "well yknow everyone else will take care of it. meanwhile how about you pay for my CuRsEd aCaDeMiC fashion choices instead"
No. 916964
>>916642oh my god of course she's NB as well.
So to keep a tally
Asexual Panromantic NonBinary Neurodivergent
can i count Poly in the mix as well i suppose?
No. 917243
>>917156simply put to keep it on topic, Kiwi Farms would never side with anyone but ProJared in this situation
you'd know this from 20 minutes of browsing
No. 917260
File: 1578887964441.jpg (595.37 KB, 1134x774, PJ2Stan.jpg)
Made this don't have much to add to the discussion but I think the picture sufffices
No. 917336
>>916901Suzy looks good.
I'm happy for her.
No. 917507
File: 1578942108650.png (2.01 MB, 1025x1402, cowjuice14.png)
The body language in this one is amazing. Look at Ash trying to get as far away as she can from Suzy so she can lean into Dan and do the 'look! We're a couple!' thing.
Meanwhile Arin and Suzy at the other end, looking like a normal ass couple.(nitpick)
No. 917582
>>917581Hi again, Hoelly. We get it - You = good, Heidi = evil whore.
You can move on now.
No. 917613
>>917599I mean..being real, hating on her or not she's done more than you most likely have.
She's an internet personality for a reason, she wasn't known/only heard of because of this situation. Google is your friend, anon.
No. 917615
>>917613
>"She's done more than you most likely have"You're right. I've never ruined two separate marriages, my public image, a YT show, and any remnants of a career in one fell swoop from defending my potentially-a-pedophile fuckboy.
You've got me there, Anon.
>"She's an internet personality for a reason"Because she fucking majored in medieval studies or some shit like a moron who KNEW she'd live off of her Granddaddy's money until she suckered some poor bastard into marrying her (and then leeching off of them until one of them died).
>"She wasn't known/only heard of because of this situation"True, but now that's ALL she'll ever be - the adulterous whore who fucked her friend's husband and defended him wildly abusing his fame to jack it to nudes of fans, some of whom were minors.
No. 917632
>>917613LOL
Hoelly only got any sort of notoriety by being a spoiled rich kid. Of course she could fuck around and gain a following on the internet by talking about birds and playing dress up. She had the money to blow on a useless degree and grandpa left her enough money to buy a house in one of the most expensive areas to live. She can whine about “muh tragic backstory” and “muh slutshaming” all she wants, but she needs to face it and realize she’s gotten an easy ride compared to most and everything bad that’s happened to her she brought upon herself. Literally all she had to do was wait to fuck Jared until he and Heidi divorced, but I’m sure he had no intentions of doing so until he got caught.
No. 917640
>>917613Hey Holly! Is googling your name what you do all day now that you don't have a job? You haven't had a job for months now, right? Does streaming yourself playing children's video games once a week count as the amazing accomplishment that us normies couldn't possibly understand? You're really doing a lot with your life! Please remind us again how you went to Scotland for a semester and how you wrote a fantasy book when you were 12. Seriously, the million times you've told those stories just aren't enough.
And the general public really loves you! I'm sure you've gained a ton of new followers on social media because people are so impressed by your accomplishments. Your career is going great! Keep up the amazing work!
(Not every place on the internet needs to be for you, Holly.)
(hi cow) No. 917651
>>917588fairly certain that is definitely going on here. all of the nonsense seems to come from one specific person who never sages their posts.
if you're going to criticize, at least do it over something
valid, like how weird it is that ash always suffers through whatever bullshit dan likes and supports it on IG, whereas dan has never done the same for her in return. but ash is the real problem here because she uhhhhh
checks notes leaned against her boyfriend in a photo
No. 917659
>>917615Excellent response anon. Also, who's to say none of the people in this thread
aren't more popular than Holly?
No. 917699
>>917687
>"No one deserves hate"Holly, probably: "No one deserves hate…unless your name starts with an H, ends in 'eidi', and you were or are currently married to the guy I want to fuck. Then get bent, you
abusive piece of trash!"
No. 917703
>>917651Yeah I would say the more "milky" thing is that Dan doesn't do anything with her until his friend is visiting or it's with other people. Or until the drama started.
But even that's a friggen stretch. I'm waiting for more confirmation on the allegations against Dan/Brent
No. 917749
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I decided to take time out of my day to watch her stream. I love how none of her mental advice seems to involve apologizing or recognizing when you have done something wrong, everyone else is the problem not you!
No. 917767
>>917613>>917632She does seem to shift around fandoms as if sticking around ends up revealing her horrible traits.
Used to be a thing on the cosplay scenes but then controversies happen and whoops she's more doing video game streams now…
And then shifted out of that to focus on TTRPG/DCA stuff…
It's almost like she never sticks around long enough in the spotlight for the cracks in her facade become prominent enough.
>>917749What do her mental advices consist of? Just blaming something external?
No. 917822
>>917784How would she even know it was the same person??? Was there only one person working in all of Starbucks? Did she just call out some random person on a whim?
Wall of text time, but checking hate comments obsessively on a daily basis is massively unhealthy and is indicative of an outrageous level of self-loathing and self-destructiveness. Like go the fuck outside and do something productive with your time, jfc. Like, idk, maybe talk to a legitimate therapist who will expect you to reflect on your actions and decisions and make healthy choices in life, instead of shuttering yourself up at home wallowing in self-pity.
You know deep down she wouldn't be keeping tabs on other people's opinions if she truly believed her previous behavior was okay and truly justified, otherwise she wouldn't give a shit and continue on with her life. Deep down, she knows at least some of it is true, and instead of doing the easiest thing, which is making a genuine attempt to be a better person, she catastrophizes it and acts like she needs to KILL HERSELF instead of just knocking that shit off.
That's the same reason she stays with Jared. Her boyfriend is a massive creep and all-around narcissistic piece of shit, but she has to stay with him because she hates herself so much that she can't leave.
Get some fucking help, Holly. I have depression, I don't always like myself, I've done things I'm not proud of, but guess what, you get your ass out of bed and you own your mistakes and you try to be a better person today than you were yesterday. Or idk just continue to whine and be miserable and never take responsibility, I guess if the universe flips inside out and all logic reverses itself, that might actually work out for you one day.
No. 917850
>>917824>>917822She thinks that she did not cheat on Ross.
Well, they ceased to be a romantic couple and at the very least were legally seperated when she starting having sex with Jared.
She did however have sex with a married man, used emotional manipulation to get it, and was perfectly fine with Jared gaslighting and abusing Heidi if it meant she could get it.
Being partially responsible for the emotional torment Heidi experienced but never apologizing to her at all.
No. 917863
>>917850She acts like because she waited until they separated that she's absolved of responsibility. But she did cheat. It was textbook emotional cheating, and it led to something physical, like emotional cheating tends to do. That's why she loves to satirize the concept of "boundaries," because she knows she crossed the boundaries of their relationship, but by mocking the concept, she gets to pretend like she wasn't the bad guy and what she did wasn't wrong.
The situation with Heidi and Jared is even more fucked up if you believe her story that Jared was a
victim of abuse and she was threatening to hurt herself so that he would leave Heidi and be with her. As if that's the proper way to help a friend who is a
victim of abuse. Honestly, she doesn't realize that kind of behavior is so sociopathic that it would reflect BETTER on her if she admitted that she knew Heidi wasn't an abuser and she just wanted an excuse to fuck Jared. But no, her story is that she tried to bully an abuse
victim into leaving their abuser. wat
>>917824tbqh she did some fucked up shit, but I would have been willing to forgive her if she reflected on what happened and then came out later and dumped Jared and admitted that she fucked up. But instead she just doubled down.
I used to be a fan of hers as well and I liked her a lot, but now I don't even recognize her.
It takes a brave person to look deep inside themselves and admit their mistakes, and I was misguided in expecting her to come back with a different frame of mind after her time in the psych ward. Instead, she's just so… angry and bitter, when she should be happy. She got what she wanted, and she has still has what seems like hundreds of fans who adore her and hang on her every word. Why should she care if she has "haters"? And yet, she somehow seems more miserable than ever.
No. 917871
>>917749which is the polar opposite of what an ACTUAL mental health provider would tell you.
A+ on once again continuing the
victim mentality, Holly
No. 917873
>>917784Let her. Hi Holly! If no one's told you yet, it's incredibly unhealthy to check something that you KNOW brings you misery and/or upset feelings. I can't fucking stand you and think you're a skeezy piece of shit, but even I would tell you to get some real fucking help.
>>917822
>"if she truly believed her previous behavior was okay and truly justified"Yes, she would. She's a narc who thrives off of the ass-pats that her fanbase gives her on a regular basis. She can't stand that here on lolcow, we're not just going to blindly congratulate her on ruining her career and two marriages just to chase after some mediocre dick.
No. 917879
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>>917873There's one mental health professional who could help her.
They follow each other on Twitter
No. 917910
>>917897I think that was the other anon's point, anon.
He and Holly are about as good for mental health as emotional abuse and gaslighting.>>917897
No. 917929
>>917863
>Instead, she's just so… angry and bitter, when she should be happy. But she
is happy anon! Just look at all the twee Instagram posts & tweets she writes about "having a tiny ice cream" when she feels that
totally unprompted guilt, shame, & doubt coming on! /s
No. 917932
>>917930Since she was streaming with Jared relatively recently, I'd hazard a guess that Hoelly is one of those fucking nutjobs that refers to getting a new, different therapist as "breaking up" with the old one.
That, or she means her breakup with Ross OR Jared's breakup with Heidi.
No. 917946
>>917936That’s the most frustrating thing to me about this uwu tiny ice cream uwu brain weasel uwuwu nonsense: she acts like these feelings of guilt are a symptom of mental illness and something to be ignored or defeated. I bet she tells her therapists that she hasn’t done anything wrong and that those feelings are her beating herself up over nothing because she’s just
that mentally ill and depressed. No therapist (or ice cream, or movie) is going to be able to make feelings of guilt go away when the patient refuses to acknowledge the source of them. This probably goes at least as far back as her time in the cosplay community. Didn’t she once say she quit cosplay because the community or HoC traumatised her? That isn’t trauma, Holly. It’s your conscience.
No. 918005
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>>917999Exactly. Therapy doesn’t work unless you’re willing to work on yourself and admit your faults. Any therapist who isn’t a yes man likely gets dismissed.
Featuring actual picture of hoelly in therapy.
No. 918026
>>917863I used to be a Holly fan too and I know what you mean about hardly recognizing her. Her twitter posts have become nauseatingly try hard ("look how kind I am uwu I'm so innocent"). It's an obvious attempt at covering up what a terrible bitch she's been. Watching her on stream last night it was clear how deeply unhappy she is. There's no way she can hide her misery when she's live and I think she knows it. That's why it took her months to come back to streaming.
I'm wondering what she's going to do for money now. There's no way her current views on Twitch can support her lifestyle. She's also going to have a tough time making new fans with her reputation. Sure she has money in the bank, but is it enough to live off of for the rest of her life? I would be depressed too if I didn't have a meaningful job. She probably sits at home by herself while everyone else is working. Her life is pretty pathetic, but it's all of her own doing.
No. 918098
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Holly, since I know you read here and no one else has called you out, why does one of the only images you've drawn for your "brand" look EXACTLY like Sovrin's Pan's Labyrinth leggings? I know you've seen the leggings before. You probably own them. Every other piece of clothing in your closet is from Sovrin and they've posted pictures of you wearing their pieces on their IG, so don't try with the "uwwwu I've never seen these before" or "uwwwu we were inspired by the same 16th century manuscript".
No. 918193
>>918182Didn't she get the parody cancelled shirt taken down because of copying? This hypocritical artwork stealing bitch…
Looks like Hoelly steals designs as well as husbands.
No. 918204
>>918193It's always justified when SHE does it.
Everyone is wrong to cash in or joke about the drama, except her and Jared, they're in the right when they do it.
No. 918211
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>>918098Holly wearing Sovrin leggings and being featured on their Instagram. It looks like it's a small business run by one woman. Holly probably thought they were such a tiny buisness no one would notice if she copied them. Kind of messed up to steal from a one woman small company she's friendly with. But then again, it's Holly
No. 918231
>>918098
>"why does one of the only images you've drawn for your "brand" look EXACTLY like Sovrin's Pan's Labyrinth leggings?"She probably stole them just like everything else she has in her life.
>>918129I agree, Anon. There's no way that someone as dickmatized as Hoelly waits for the divorce to be legal before she starts trying to tap that PedoDick.
>>918182I don't think stealing the entire design and adding a couple little details falls under "parody"
>>918204When this first went down, Hoelly's big argument against Heidi was that she went public to gain followers and notoriety. Less than 3 months later, Holly started pumping out the first of the shitty drama-related t-shirts on her store.
>>918228There's no way that you find some sort of empowerment in calling yourself 'trash'. In fact, I can't imagine her therapist would endorse her being so negative on herself and trying to make it her brand.
No. 918389
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Not surprised Arin has a sailor moon kink.
No. 918641
>>918389Jared dressing up in a full on sailor moon costume and showing his dick = kink
A dude merely liking sailor moon and perhaps putting a sticker on his forhead = not a kink
No. 918840
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>>918404This. When he was still an animator he even made a Sailor Moon parody in appreciation of it. Look for milk elsewhere, Chief. This ain't it.
No. 918873
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>>918840Fuck I was just getting bored of only talking about the crazy bird lady and her nymphomaniac boyfriend.
Anyway here is a nice picture to
trigger the female Rewired Soul when she visits.
Why did you have to ruin this?
No. 918913
>>918889I mean, yes - it takes two to ruin the marriage and it
was Jared's responsibility to remain faithful to Heidi
HOWEVER
Holly is the one who actively spent MONTHS convincing Jared that Heidi was
abusive and that she was some evil whore who was ruining his life, etc.
No. 918922
>>918913Jared would've probably kept things to just pump n dumping girls at cons and doing the sinjared thing, at least for a little while.
It was the thrill of doing the Strix n Diath thing (let's face it, they were basically carrying out an affair in front of an audience that loved it and fanarted it), plus Holly's own manipulations, that led to the downfall that quickly.
No. 918953
>>918913if a friend spends months trying to convince you your house is haunted you still won't burn it down if you weren't convinced yourself. We know Jared lashed back at Holly the first time she told him she thinks Heidi is
abusive but started therapy after that for half a year. Maybe between the therapist and the way Heidi was acting he actually saw something extra to tell him the relationship is not working.
No. 918957
>>918953
>"you still won't burn it down if you weren't convinced yourself."Emotional manipulation with the threats of offing yourself if you don't leave your wife are a lot different than your friends trying to convince you that ghosts are haunting your house.
We already know that Hoelly has a history of threatening suicide when she doesn't get what she wants - It's a lot easier to listen to a lie when it's backed with the threat of loss of life.
>"he actually saw something extra to tell him the relationship is not working."Anyone with two eyes could see that the relationship wasn't working, that's not the point here. The point is that instead of waiting until the ink on the divorce was final, he crawled between Hoelly Cumrag's thighs while she whispered lies in his ear of his wife being
abusive.
If Holly legit thought Heidi was
abusive, you give resources; You don't let the man seek comfort in your vagina which you know is going to provoke the alleged abuser since she'd already told him NOT to fuck you.
No. 918963
>>918953using that same analogy it
would go a long long way towards convincing me in the first place. what a good friend does is "maybe you're imagining it, it's highly unlikely. what you really need is some downtime"
what a good friend does not do is "i'm seeing five ghosts in here every time i walk in, what the fuck is wrong with you?
why is this house not burned down yet"
like there's a limit after which even the sanest person would begin to doubt themselves, especially if they're told "you're seeing this wrongly" a hundred times a day and they want to believe it in the first place
No. 919012
>>918957>>918963you are both citing a tweet from 3 months after Jared told Heidi AND her therapist and obviously another couple's therapist that he wants out of the marriage and he won't work on it, as an example of how she was pestering him constantly for the half year before this happened. It might have happened but there is no proof.
Also, I am sick of people saying she threatened suicide when his wife clearly showed she did it too and before he actually told her he wants a divorce. Both these women have mental health problems and that's a whole shitsandwich there.
No. 919017
>>919012
>"Jared told Heidi AND her therapist and obviously another couple's therapist that he wants out of the marriage and he won't work on i"Then he should have filed for divorce MONTHS before he did - not drag Heidi through this whole charade of false hope for saving their shitshow of a marriage. He could have walked his happy ass into a divorce lawyer's office MONTHS before he did - but no, he waited, blocked her on twitter, and then released some bullshit faux statement as if it was a happy agreement and not the result of his mistress pushing him into it for literally months.
>"I am sick of people saying she threatened suicide when his wife clearly showed she did it too"There's a big difference between Heidi's therapist saying "Hey, your wife is feeling suicidal" and the shit Holly pulled. One is the result of legitimate mental illness, the other is the result of someone who is terrified to face the repercussions of failing to keep her fucking legs closed to a married man.
>"before he actually told her he wants a divorce."You mean….a wife dared to tell her husband that she was in a rough place mentally? HOW FUCKING DARE SHE!!! /s
>"that's a whole shitsandwich there."Yeah, difference is that Heidi doesn't wield her shit as a weapon to get the general public off of her back (i.e. the infamous "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" tweet after the Etika incident)
No. 919019
>>919012i was in fact referring to heidi revealing holly had been
texting jared aggressively demanding "why isn't this marriage over yet". but ok
>holly threatened suicide but heidi did tooabout heidi "
threatening suicide, i'll use your own words – "it might have happened but there is no proof"
what there
is proof of is holly plastering her desire to sudoku "because a friend is letting himself be abused uwu" all over twitter
>>919017>a wife dared to tell her husband that she was in a rough place mentallyanon don't you know that's how abuse starts? first the wife is loving, then she expects intimacy, then she feels isolated and neglected, and next thing you know the bitch whore is demanding alimony. it doesn't add up, the bitches are just insane i tells ya
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Why does this feel like another of Hoellys desperate attempts to pretend like she’s above the drama and haters again?
No. 919227
>>919220I can picture the inevitable conversations
"Diath, my love, where do…"
"You know that shit was just for DCA, right?"
cue Hoelly's gobsmacked face
No. 919238
>>919220Jared's escape is ProJared. As Jared Knabenbauer he may have basically lost everything, but as ProJared he can put on a blue shirt, go in front of a camera and be a different person for 10 minutes.
Holly doesn't have an escape, unless its drugs or something we know she smokes weed but it's legal there and in any case I don't judge. She doesn't even call herself "Commander Holly" anymore.
No. 919369
>>919361
>"Good try on rewriting that history"Heidi's fuckup of a therapist (who apologized and admitted to Heidi that she had crossed boundaries that weren't hers to cross) saying that Heidi would threaten suicide is not an actual indication of Heidi having done so.
Just like Hoelly screaming that Heidi was an abuser isn't an indicator that she actually was one.
>"Heidi herself confirmed she was hospitalized"Again, Heidi had legitimate feelings of wanting to commit suicide so she checked herself into a mental health facility - as you are supposed to do in that situation. Hoelly checked herself into a mental health hospital to avoid the blowback when the cheating scandal broke - and it wasn't a real legit hospital, considering when a person checks themself in for suicidal ideation, they're rarely allowed phone calls to friends who tell them of all of the awful things being said about them outside.
No. 919370
>>919361This is stuff no one would have known had Jared not put it out there. Expressing suicide ideation to a therapist because your husband is abusing and gaslighting you and then actually taking them up on their recommendation of hospitalization is what you should do.
Little miss hoelly however only hospitalized herself after she and wormdick had been exposed and she couldn’t handle the rightful flack she was getting and then immediately posted about it on twitter for sympathy as soon as she got out. Not to mention the times she talked about wanting to be “gone” on her public figure twitter in regards to Jared not ending his relationship with Heidi fast enough while he was fucking her on the side. She claims to have only been helping a friend in an
abusive relationship, but you don’t help a friend you suspect is being abused by offering them vaginal support lol.
You can go back to pj2 now.
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“At least he’s a literate egomaniac warmonger”
Jesus fucking Christ, Hoelly - shut the fuck up
No. 919378
>>919374Is that her fucking standards for a decent president? "At least he's not Trump lol"?
Fucking hell Holly. Anything to justify, am I right?
Bet if she DID find some Trump quote that she could apply to herself she'd use it.
No. 919390
>>919378The kicker is that some of her biggest supporters (borkscorpion) literally said "Everyone is or was their own kind of shitty; Doesn't mean they never had good points"
These people literally have no standard for goodness.
No. 919444
>>919370Didn't Heidi admit she spent most of DragonCon 2019 crying in her hotel when Jared posted his response to the underage accusers and not Heidi.
Heidi and Holly both seem to suffer from
victim complex tbh.
No. 919445
>>919444The difference is Heidi is a
victim.
No. 919457
>>919444Are you seriously so daft a twat that you think the reason she was in all sorts of emotions is because the shitweasel didn't focus on her but instead on Chai/Charlie?
Seriously?
No. 919461
>>919444Yeah, how dare someone who was actively being gaslit into believing that her husband wasn't cheating on her with a mutual friend and that she was the sole cause of their marriage failing express emotion? What a soulless cunt Heidi was!! /s
>>919444The reason Heidi lost her shit at DragonCon was because once again, Jared posted a video defaming her and everything she had said while she had no way to dispute it adequately. He did it when he KNEW she'd be at a con around people that were going to ask her all sorts of questions about it.
Jare'ds a shitheel, full stop.
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Not milk in the slightest, just made me chuckle.
No. 919550
>>919531Anon, no one is rewriting shit - Just because you want to keep up with this insistence that Heidi is a villainous whore while Hoelly is an innocent caught up in the crossfire doesn't mean anyone is making this shit up.
>"that Heidi had given the therapist explicit permission to contact Jared to resolve issues that were connected with her wellbeing"Right - because if she was having suicidal thoughts, her husband - the person who was living with her and responsible for her general well-being outside of Heidi herself - should know. I don't know what you think you're proving here.
>"Heidi said "I was instutionalized on your recommendation" not because Heidi wanted"Heidi probably told her therapist she was feeling suicidal and said therapist probably said "Hey, go to the ER". Again, not concrete evidence of Heidi wielding threats of suicide as a weapon a la Hoelly Cumrag.
>"Yeah, you here think the therapist was shitty because didn't back Heidi up?"No, I think the therapist was shitty because she betrayed Heidi's trust as proven in the texts that Heidi provided. The therapist themselves said they crossed a line, so….yeah, not a great mental health provider.
>"It's obvious for you mental health is just another bumper sticker"You mean like Hoelly "I'm asexual FUCKING KIDDING I WANT TO BANG MY MARRIED FRIEND AND ONLY MY MARRIED FRIEND, YOU CANT YELL AT ME IM MENTALLY ILL" Conrad?
No. 919606
>>919602Does it really matter? It's Heidi's right to say "Yes, you can tell my husband about our therapy" - In fact, most medical/mental health facilities have that on their intake paperwork about who they can talk with and what info they can share.
There's nothing wrong with Heidi wanting Jared to be kept in the loop about her mental health - That is NOT indicative that she was using it as a means to manipulate Jared to do what she wanted.
No. 919731
>>919683what? i really want you to point out where this happens because like that other anon i'm absolutely ready to start accusing people of rewriting history here
seriously, point me to the text messages because even going through the past threads i don't see any of whatever the hell you're claiming
what's with the sudden influx of people saying heidi completely threatened suicide directly in front of jared? is this holly preparing to do some sudoku bait very soon and thus trying to get some kind of deflection tactic ready?
i can't believe it's this difficult for you guy/s to grasp the difference between actually being/feeling suicidal and blaring on twitter to your 200k-something followers about how suicidal you feel because of what's happening between two wholeass other people
No. 919821
>>919678And if the therapist had said the sky was neon pink, would you take it as 100% truthful fact?
>>919681
>"Didn't Heidi herself say…she was manipulating him into doing what she wanted?"First of all, I'd love to see where she said that. Second of all, her marriage is over and she's back on her own; Tell me how any of this is what Heidi wanted.
>" she describes how she is not going to talk with him when she goes back so he would get anxious about her behavior"There's a difference between "I'm going to do this to mentally torture him" and "I want him to feel how he has made me feel". I'm not saying it's okay, but it's more understandable to what him to experience what he had made HER experience.
>>919731
>"What's with the sudden influx…"It's just Hoelly and her stans trying to make her ridiculous threats of suicide seem okay - They figure if they can make Heidi's seem fake then Hoelly's will be okay, when in reality, Heidi legit was struggling and Holly used her threats as a way to get people off her back.
No. 920132
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>>919979There's this great story on Rantgrumps about how Dan once came out the back door of a theater where they were performing Game Grumps Live, paused with a deer-in-the-headlights look on his face, and ran for his life toward the tour bus, apologizing all the way. His fan interactions stories have been very mixed bag and weird.
In semi-milky news, Dan and Ash have adopted a dog named Camilla from a shelter. She was about to be put down.
Since Dan's constantly out of LA (he was just in Jersey for three weeks straight weeks without Ash while she hung out at their place alone and NSP is supposed to go on a tour this summer) and she's always into spending her weekends out of the house and works a day job, I wonder how much of this is an impulse adoption and how much time Camilla's going to end up spending at doggy daycare or with a paid sitter or walker.
The whole reason Dan left Princess Tinkles in Jersey with his parents and didn't take her to LA with him was because he was "too busy to have a dog." He's busier now than he was then. Kind of screams "well, Ash, you're always home, have fun!"
Bonus: "She's been just the best thing to happen to our lives in a little while." Pause. "Except for each other!"
No. 920161
>>920139>>920152Also;
1. They got paid for it & upsetting a current
or former customer probably
isn't a good idea, especially when they have a pretty sizable following that hangs onto their
every word.
2. Since coming forward worked out
so well for Jared's former fans & his own ex-wife, I'm gonna assume anyone that they commission(ed) is either
still a starry-eyed fan or doesn't want to deal with some
very public backlash, so lying-low would seem like the better option.
No. 920234
>>920186They fucking failed. Only 1-2 of her stans has bothered to pop in and try to come to her defense (You can tell most of the replies are from the same person since they spew the same exact defense every time) and they are quickly proven wrong every time.
She can bitch about lolcow all she wants - but there's still the PULL thread (though the site has been down for a couple days), there's still a couple different blogs on tumblr who call her shit out.
Face it Hoelly, you did something very stupid, very publicly. The fallout is on YOU.
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>>920234
>there's still a couple different blogs on tumblr who call her shit out.Speaking of tumblr. I just saw this recently.
No. 920259
>>920254Details please? I'm not clicking one of this videos.
But if he's actually blaming Chris Perkins of all people, that really goes to show how desperate he is to deflect blame and convince himself it's everybody else's fault. Holly and Jared both worshipped Perkins all the way up until they got outed for fucking in character.
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This hurt to read…
No. 920277
>>920267With Ross, she had the upper hand
either because she knew he'd never leave her unless she pushed him away or because she reacted to his kindness by rejecting it. With Jared - who's more manipulative and whom she knows will cheat on her because he cheated with her - it's keep him happy or else. Maybe he's cold and undemonstrative to her off-cam, so she goes in the opposing direction.
No. 920281
>>920267Ross worshipped and loved Holly so of course she negged him into oblivion. Her relationship with Jared is shaky and he isn't anywhere as into her as Ross was so she can't constantly put him down. Instead she has to drown him in praise and love bomb him, while occasionally threatening self harm if he strays too far.
Ross seems happier than ever right now. Heidi has also been streaming lately and she is so friendly and seems in a good place too. Neither has to go to sleep at night wondering if they are beating cheated on. Holly on the other hand…
No. 920283
>>920277She took her career behind the barn & shot it for him, so I'm thinking the tables have turned from her last relationship. He's all she has now.
>>920281I remember Heidi saying somewhere that she has a better relationship with her parents now that she left Jared.
>Neither has to go to sleep at night wondering if they are being cheated on. Holly on the other hand…THIS is the best takeaway for Ross & Heidi. Jared & Holly are each other's problem now.
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Imagine how hysterical Holly must get, barraged by comments from the general public about how her boyfriend will eventually cheat on her. Imagine knowing that it's just a matter of time before he trades her in for another girl who causes him less grief.
She's just a consolation prize, and it's obvious.
No. 920286
>>920283Exactly. Ross and Heidi get to move on and eventually recover from all of this. Jared and Hoelly will get to drag this stigma around for literally forever. The wife of any man Hoelly works with will want fuck all to do with her on the off chance she starts demanding to fuck their husbands too.
>>920285She's the worst case of "Buyer's Remorse" that Jared will ever experience - He thought he was upgrading, but my guy, that bucket of crazy is the worst kind of DOWNGRADE.
No. 920291
>>920254It's reaching.
Jared reviewed DragonStrike, and after discussing the VHS tape (you're better off watching Spoony's old riff TBH) he said the tape alone was worth owning for a good laugh, and once you were done you could send it to someone who could really appreciate it, and revealed his parcel was addressed to Chris Perkins.
Considering Perkins explicitly referred to Jared by name in his farewell to DCA tweet (calling the whole gang "family"), and they still follow each other on Twitter, it's pretty obvious the decision came from higher-up and were it up to Perkins, DCA would've chugged along as if nothing happened.
No. 920300
>>920296I'm also sure Holly has a couple of fans who are
more than willing to 'share' him with her…
…And Holly will just have to sit there and accept it out of fear of becoming the "Jealous Heidi-type" as one of her WKs put it.
No. 920305
>>920300Lmao she has really boxed herself into putting up with his behavior forever. She now has to deal with being neglected, lied to, cheated on, and gaslit for the foreseeable future OR deal with the fact that she was in the wrong from the beginning.
What a charming life.
No. 920321
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>>920071It was pretty small, just him liking a single comment on twitter. This was the comment in question. Just the "kids don't need online protection" thing made me laugh. Of course you'd think that, Jared.
No. 920324
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Someone on tumblr posted Holly and Jared's Child's Play photo (thread pic) with "caption this"
The notes are absolutely roasting them.
No. 920342
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>>920324I know this response is from 'professor jared' but it's pretty funny
No. 920344
Okay, one more
https://projared.tumblr.com/post/189646905916/hey-greg-im-so-happy-you-accept-im-sure-thisThis post had me fucking
rollingWe should just start shipping Onision+ProJared together already!
(And maybe Kai+Holly too if possible)
No. 920346
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>>920342I wonder how bad Heidi really was in private to make Jared want to cheat on, break up with and divorce Heidi. I mean nothing last forever I guess, if not for divorce to seperate them eventually it would have been old age.
But we can always remnisce on the good ol' days I guess.
If Jared&Heidi's divorce is finalized before February 14th then this it would be the first Valetines day when they are not a couple in any capacity. RIP
No. 920351
>>920321Oh gross. context is important here btw.
There's a difference between Chadtronic, someone who's channel has been fucked on and off for a long time because of various precautions Youtube has been trying to enforce on his channel despite his channel not even being intended for kids, saying this.
And then Jared, who used his fame to get nudes from fans, including minors which he admits happened (not that the minors were on purpose, etc etc)
I'm just gonna pretend he's just standing by a fellow creator on this, and not because he has any other reason
No. 920355
>>920346
>"I wonder how bad Heidi really was in private to make Jared want to cheat on, break up with and divorce Heidi."Right because it's clearly Heidi's fault that PedoDick couldn't keep it in his pants and had to fuck anything with a pulse that walked by. /s
If you meant Hoelly, it still doesn't matter. Holly's definitely part of the problem, but it was Jared's responsibility to remain faithful to his wife and he didn't do that. Heidi may not be a walk in the park to live with, but no body asks to be gaslight and cheated on with someone she considered a friend.
No. 920375
>>920346I don't get this reminisce type of post? You think they would be separated only by old age? are you kidding me? The man spent half of his marriage begging teenagers for nudes on the internet, and RP-ing an affair with a friend, and he looks like gollum with cosmetic surgery. How the heck are you romanticizing this?
We can only hope Heidi finds someone who is a closer match mentally and physically since he was always an ugly dickhead. If it wasn't Holly it would've been someone else.
No. 920393
>>920346It's a pretty common misconception, but most cheaters actually cheat because of something that's wrong with
them, not because of their relationship.
Can't count the number of people I know who've been through something similar who bent over backwards to make their partner happy and tried to fix the relationship.
This is entirely Jared's issue and it would've happened regardless of who he was married to.
No. 920470
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This got posted on PULL, but somehow didn't make its way here. Holy shit.
No. 920473
>>920470Doubt Ross would need to use Tinder or any dating app.
He has a huge social media following and like Arin and Dan has plenty of fangirls more than willing to be to his next wife.
Plus he is affluent within the online gaming circle as a hole, which seems like a simpler way to find someone with similar interests.
Plus why wouldnt that twitter user post the DMs? If what they said is true its exposing privacy, proof or not.
No. 920477
>>920475it might also be Ross who doesn't want another Holly scenario; where people idolized the relationship and acted as though their actual parents divorced when they announced their split. I can also imagine how embarrassing it would be if you found out your spouse you openly adored was cheating/
abusive and all the fans had no idea. Everyone thought they were perfect.
Or maybe it's just still a fresh relationship so it may take some time for them to feel comfortable.
No. 920479
>>920473Maybe he didn't want someone that just wanted him for his e-fame. Plus, I doubt he wanted it advertised that his marriage fell apart. When Heidi dropped the bombshell that blew it all wide open he didn't want to be sucked into a drama vortex then either. Even when people were spreading all sorts of rumors about him being a willing cuck. Even now all he wants is to pursue his dream, and play his new DBZ game, and hang out with his new GF in peace. But yeah, it's only hearsay now. Gonna hope she shows us proof.
>>920475Yes. Holly's remaining fans are crazy. They'd tear her to shreds.
No. 920560
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>>920470The only thing I could find relating to Ross on tinder are these tweets.
I seriously doubt he'd tell
anyone that sort of thing, especially someone he
just met online.
No. 920571
>>920560His girlfriend Giwi is also an animator I believe. As for what company, no clue.
But they likely met through networking and their social circles.
I just feel when you're that popular and affluent there's no need to use dating apps.
No. 920576
>>920470A random person saying they matched with Ross on tinder isn't exactly hardcore proof. I mean, I also think Hoelly cheated long before the divorce, but even I admit that there isn't proof that has been released by any of the parties involved to back that up.
>>920475
>"Why hasn't Ross' new GF been in any of his social media posts?"Because not everyone is a fame whore. Maybe she saw the epic failure of his very public relationship with Hoelly and wanted to avoid that.
No. 920609
this isn't new or milk but I found it on PULL. It's a youtube channel with two guys, Pat and Ian, who mainly discuss retro topics in a sort of podcast-y format. They begin talking about the Jared/Heidi drama at 7:37 but I've written down some key quotes to make sense of it (since it's almost 20 minutes long)
TL;DR Pat, Brent and Jared had a show they worked on. Jared felt too important and pulled out last second, effectively ending a project Pat needed because he needed the money, and acted too big and popular for the two.
> "Projared, former friend and colleague, haven't really been close to Jared in 4 or 5 years, posted online that he's getting divorced from his wife Heidi, who I do know, we used to follow each other, hang out a little at conventions.. "
> "when you see something happen to people you know it's surreal and salacious and it took on a life of its own. (mentions jared and the tumblr, posting and receiving pics from fans and the snapchat and makes a note of the underage fans) so this spun out on my birthday, and my birthday was spent sending and receiving calls and texts from mutual people like "what the fuck is going on?", one person is going "I'm shocked but not surprised", pewdiepie talked about it… "
> (mentions about jared's influence on youtube and the internet) "Looking back on my relationship with Jared, I want to talk about this because I've known Jared for ten years. I met him in late 2009 we started talking early 2010. I spoke about he was one of the guys who showed up at my panel at SGC 2010 when there were like 12 people in the room like him, spoony, james, rolfe etc. I talked to Jared early on in his career. He had 100 subs on Youtube, he had nothing, he was working for Screw Attack when they had their game store in Texas. I used to talk to Jared on Skype and even encouraged him to strike it out he was saying "hey pat do you think I should do this?" I said heck yeah go do it. He did a slenderman video that went viral in like 2011 or 12, and then he was off and running…"
> "and good for him he worked hard to do that. Not saying he wasn't talented in doing game reviews. But then you see the turn that happened. So what happened is was in the fall of 2013 I came up with an idea called "Superift Brothers" and I haven't talked about what went down. So it was supposed to be the MST3K version for videogames, cutscenes etc. And I approached Brent (BrentalFloss) and Jared and said would you guys wanna do this? would you be into this? they said yeah this sounds cool, and the idea was that this is something we could tour or do in conventions/live shows…"
> "so that fall we did the pilot, we did six episodes. And we did it all together, it was sort of written together, we'd do a google hangout, we'd time it, and we worked pretty well together. At the time, this is when Jared's star was on the rise. Brental Floss wasn't a nobody. Brent was big, the biggest one out of the 3 of us. I was the lowest one. So we did it all but then it got weird. It got weird because whenever you have a project going on with 3 powerful personalities I think along the way egos got bruised during the project. It was democratic and we had to admit writing jokes that x is better than yours/his/etc and that's how we did it. But we all for the most part pulled our own weight. We all came out with the same amount of jokes. So there was one point, this was before Magfest (he talks about needing money and needing this project to work) I would show up to these google hangouts tired with an hour or two of sleep cause I was working hard to make it work, we got into one of our sessions and there was a point where Jared and I had almost precisely the same joke. And Jared made an offhand comment I thought was funny, he said "well look at this, pat had the same joke as I did and he didn't get any sleep" and I thought he was being funny and self-deprecating so I laughed. Looking back I don't think he liked the fact I laughed. I think his ego was hurt in some weird way"
> "so from that point on, Jared had checked out because I think he decided he was better than me and Brent, that he didn't need us. So we had a commitment to do this show for at least 6 months. We put in money for an intro, me and Brent put in 350-375 between the two of us, by the way Jared you owe us your part you never paid us. It was sold out in Magfest, people liked it. And then literally two days after Magfest, Jared texted me and says 'I'm out' I don't want to do this' and pulled the rug out of me and Brent. We had worked so hard on this project. So me and Brent scrambled to find a replacement and thought fuck it, this isn't worth it"
> "and at this point onwards our relationship with Jared dissipated and I didn't talk to him much anymore cause I think he saw himself going up and Brent and Pat weren't gonna help his career. And no more checking in, you're gone. So that's how I knew Jared's development to as a person cause I saw it. I saw the change or maybe that's how it always was, where he forgets about the friends he knew cause he's bigger than us guys"
> "so when I see someone get outed for doing bad behavior, (discusses his relationship with Holly), that's some narcissistic sociopathy and that's the nicest way I can put it. Jared was always an example of what happens to people when they get Youtube fame. I feel bad for the people he's affected."
(the other guy Ian also dislikes Jared for his own personal reasons and says "Jared's always been a dick to me", Pat mentions how him and Brent discussed about the event before it actually happened that Heidi was gonna drop the bomb, so clearly this was 'insider' knowledge before it went public, they discuss about people being two faced when they get inflated egos, it's their job to make you like them, because when you like them that's how they make money, Pat says he's seen other Youtubers do this too, he never believed Jared's persona)
No. 920637
>>920609Jared being a self important prick is a pretty widely held opinion in the scene it seems. I haven't heard any of his peers actually say Jared is a nice or good dude.
He can't even break 100k on the vast majority of his videos now. Shits hilarious. Another washed up self important YouTuber.
No. 920642
>>920609As much as I can appreciate this being presented here, please be aware that Holly lurks here, so I wouldn't be surprised if these guys
suddenly have a 'change of heart' & delete the video…
No. 920648
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>>920643For what it's worth, apparently Pat's opinion of Jared hasn't changed.
(Also, for the sake of your own sanity, DO NOT set the comments on 'Newest')
No. 920650
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>>920609>>920648They were also harassed on Twitter over it in the hopes that they'd roll over like good little sheep just because Jared made a video saying "I don't
remember doing that?" a couple of times
No. 920726
>>920717Exactly. He clearly has used Tinder in the last year, according to his own tweets.
If he really matched with this girl and liked her, then it's not that far-fetched for him to share what happened at the end of his marriage. It would be relevant to him emotionally, in starting a new relationship, potentially with her.
At the time, Holly was so good at hiding her shitty, selfish behavior that no one was really on to her. It hadn't become public drama – quite the opposite with fans insisting that they must have split amicably and were such good friends. Ross was probably suffering in silence just like Heidi.
In that context, it's not that hard to imagine Ross venting to someone he was
interested in. Even if she was a random person he didn't know that well, he was trying to get to know her romantically. And if he did choose to vent to this girl, it clearly didn't become public drama UNTIL next May when Jared announced his divorce. She kept quiet until the whole thing exploded, shared this juicy tidbit, but regretted it enough to delete after Ross tweeted that he didn't want to be involved.
With all the context, it seems a lot more plausible.
No. 920749
>>920646I LOVE the fans who still insist that Jared didn't do it, even though he fucking admitted to soliciting the nudes and getting said nudes, some of which were from minors.
>>920650
>"Jared said no one contacted him!"And? The fact that he thought these youtubers should reach out to
him to clarify things rather than being proactive and doing it himself speaks volumes about him. All the people calling him an egotistical, self-important asshole are absolutely right.
No. 920756
>>920749You'd think that after
years on the internet, Jared would know how cutthroat 'online culture' is.
No. 920766
>>920759Yeah, there's this old clip of him talking about JonTron :
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/AgitatedBlitheStrawberryFailFishNot that I give two shots about JonTron, but saying he was holding them back when he easily had a larger fanbase than the rest of them combined is a joke. So NormalBoots draw a line in the sand at racism but are ok with allegedly sending nudes to underage fans.
No. 920769
>>920766I think the current line of thought is "OH, well, it was proven that the minors lied about their ages!" as if that excuses this dudebro running SEVEN porn blogs and using his fame under the 'sinjared' name to coerce them into sending him jerkoff material.
Which is pretty 'yikes', NormalBoots.
No. 920780
>>920766>>920769Full context.
He could have meant anything by "holding us back".
Racism? He didn't say that was why.
It could have been planning, like Jon not wanting to go to Indy PopCon or them having to cancel plans to not having Jon.
And Jon already distanced himself from Normal Boots in late 2016 since he stopped making gaming videos.
Sure he is a veteran gamer and popular YouTuber and will bring in ticket sales for any public appearance.
But that doesn't seem to be part of his brand anymore.
He is just Jon the one-man show (minus his team of editors and filming crew).
No. 920845
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Jared hasn't even liked any of Holly's recent tweets but is liking almost anything this blonde Stacy tweets.
But I'm sure Holly doesn't mind at all, she's not jealous heidi type
No. 920866
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>>920726You don't have to take my word for it but.
I ran into Ross at Disney World, and he was accompanied by his girlfriend.
I have to say, he chose well.
Absolute prize compared to Holly or Heidi.
I don't think he hides her because of reasons related to Holly/Pigeongate, but just because of the "lovelies" who wish they were Ross's GF.
Some people like to flaunt their romance to the world, others keep it between themselves. Whatever makes you happier go for it.
Jared&Heidi, Ross&Holly, were always happy to show off and brag about their relationships on social media and ofcourse their marriages ended very "swell" as you might be aware.
No. 920879
>>920866
>"I don't think he hides her because of reasons related to Holly/Pigeongate, but just because of the "lovelies" who wish they were Ross's GF. "You mean the people who say shit like "absolute prize compared to holly or heidi" like it's a competition?
>"were always happy to show off and brag about their relationships on social media and ofcourse their marriages ended very "swell" as you might be aware."It's not the 'bragging' about their marriages on social media that ruined things. It's Jared's inability to keep his wormdick in his pants and Hoelly's inability to stay faithful to anyone that isn't her latest cosplay crush. It has nothing to do with out open they were on social media.
No. 920894
>>920878It's funny, because Firagafox's boyfriend was a close collaborator of Heidi's. She's a badass person who I really don't think would stand for cheating. So I have to wonder if he's just trying to "win" their mutual friends this way.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the triangulation. Reminds me so much of my ex.
No. 920905
>>920879The GG fans are crazy and they'll go farther than just saying Giwi is attractive. They'll draw porn of her, attack her etc. I don't blame her and Ross for not being on socials together
And while Ross didn't, Jared definitely bragged about being married. Basically if anyone called him ugly or a anything negative about his job, he'd say "well at least I'm married unlike you". Not that that was the reason for the divorce, but Jared saw his marriage as a "gotcha" more than a union of love
No. 920954
>>920938He already did get plenty of backlash, which makes it all the more impressive that he actually stood his ground, unlike others who folded
immediately out of fear of retaliation.
No. 920999
>>920954Pat did a crossover review with Spoony way back.
Jared's incels are a minor nuisance compared to what Spoony's fanbase would do to crossover contributors back in the day.
Pat's probably unaffected.
No. 921030
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Heidi has stopped crediting Jared as the photographer for pics he shot. Which, I doubt Jared cares
Before she would begrudginly caption them as "photo by my ex", not anymore it seems.
No. 921034
>>921030Good for her.
She's been making great strides lately!
No. 921336
>>921184Aside from Jared stepping down from NB, they're still sticking by him.
Considering another NB guy quit in disgust when the Jared thing broke, makes me wonder if there isn't even more skeeziness behind the scenes at NB.
No. 921351
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>>921336Yes, Satchell. Since he left Normal Boots because of Jared and Pigeongate, Heidi seems to be cool with him.
Though its possible he had been considering leaving for sometime to do his own thing but Jared made him speed up the proccess.
No. 921452
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The sperg continues
No. 921456
>>921452Oh, boohoo, my life is so hard and people are so mean.
This woman is so insufferable. She has caused so much harm, never apologized, and still acts like she's being somehow treated unfairly by the universe.
Holly, ffs, you have an army of people constantly patting your head and coddling you, but you persistently whine about the ones who won't. Your persecution complex is hilarious and sad all at once.
Also:
"I've made mistakes."
But you haven't apologized for them, big difference
No. 921461
>>920845A girl this hot would never downgrade from DYKG For hideous Wormdick anyway. She’s already got someone better looking with better clout. At best you know she
tolerates him because he’s in that circle. That may be some cold comfort for Holly.
>>920866So without too much detail, what does she look like? Just curious not interested in doxxing anyone.
No. 921471
>>921458Alex is so fun on scary game squad, jirard is generally considered a super nice guy by everyone, except I think the guy who USED to be on scary game squad, Greg, he was best friends with Jirard for like 9 years. However there was an argument/disagreement between Greg and Jirard and Greg got kicked out of their project. Apparently NDAs are involved because Greg made a salty tweet that read like this
> I was willing to let the whole situation end with the "we decided to stop working together" line. However, Jirard then went an extra step and tried to make it seem like we were still friends. This is not the truth, and if I let that be what the public thinks it will tear at my soul. I wanted to keep it private. I dropped it there. But he tried to save face with a lie. I'm tired of dealing with this, and in the future, lies will be dealt with again. Now, hopefully no lies continue to be created. With that I will leave you with what truth I am willing to offer. This will hopefully be the last thing I say, but of course I will defend myself in the future. I leave you with this. We are no longer friends. I did not leave willingly. Don't mistake "diplomacy" for pure fabrication. The loss of friendship has hurt most. For me it was not about the money, and in no way did I benefit from this departure. Jirard did. This isn't malicious. This is the truth.Strippin (Dodger's husband) replied to him basically saying that his version of the truth is skewed and it's bad taste to break NDA to talk about it. Projared actually retweeted Strippin's response. Now, besides what/who is to blame for the fallout, it's interesting to me that Jirard publicly tried to make it look like they were still on friendly terms, while that was absolutely NOT the case.
From what I'd read it seems both Jirard and Greg were hurting due to this disagreement (that had financial stakes). They had been like brothers for nine years and working together for quite a few. The gist of rumours is that Jirard wanted to progress the project further, but Greg didn't/Greg wanted more money than could be given to him, so he got the sack. But to this day we still don't know details.
This isn't derailing but it seems to be a "stain" on Jirard's generally spotless record as far as his image goes. I don't think I have ever seen anyone speak badly about Jirard unless they simply don't enjoy completionist content, which is another thing. He is unanimously regarded as a stellar nice guy and so I really do wonder how or why he would publicly align again with Jared when you consider he is actually close to him. Pewdiepie met Holly like once, and he is not related. Keemstar is a piece of shit. Treesicle and any other person (like creepshow) who removed their hot takes on the situation are either external and irrelevant or probably hit up legally. Satchell left, Jesse is silent, and Jirard is.. apparently siding with the asshole?
Something doesn't add up. I would hope Jirard would have better wits and sniff out the shit under Jared's shoes, but it's entirely possible he hasn't.
No. 921473
>>921471Jared probably does not have the money to engage legally with any big figures in the online gaming sphere.
Twitch is almost his full-time job, he had a RAID Shadow Legends sponsor but anyone with a decent following can get one.
No. 921477
>>921453yep there you have it.
I dont really hate Holly as much, mainly I just dislike Jared. She needs to reeally stop looking for people that say things she doesn’t like.
People are gonna say whatever they want and she needs to find a way to just ignore it if it instead of letting it consume her. (also Jared is a pos boyfriend for not defending her. Even if she is seeking out her own misery)
No. 921479
>>921473Jared + Holly's inheritance money could potentially be used to force people to change or take down their videos. That's what I mean. Treesicle revoked, creepshow changed her mind, Pamela Horton basically said "yeah maybe it was just me", Uno girl did a 180. The Right Opinion was close to being fair but was absolutely too focused on the "false pedo accusations can ruin a life" angle to consider the whole picture. Geek Remix's Mari is too small to even afford fighting back and kept it to her tumblr and vagueposting, and I believe Pushing Up Roses stayed quiet. Felix is Felix (so an idiot), Keemstar is shit, and H3H3 Ethan is the only person besides Pat who stood their ground and called him out.
It's way too shady how anyone smaller than them basically scuttled away into the shadows and played their game. It is really simple; the guy had an enormously large underage fan crowd. So it's a bad idea to open multiple nude blogs and snapchats. Like really, this is 1 + 1 = 2. Heidi even took a picture of a monitor with one of Chai's tumblr messages and was talking in a message that she's looking for signs of authenticity and that she has the original screenshots saved, and she'd noticed Jared spending lots of time on photoshop rather than raw screenshots from his phone.
Absolutely no dude online would like the idea of being in Jared's place with the underage nudes fiasco. So it's much easier to blame it on false allegations than question the lack of common sense from the fellow online man. Everyone who supported him used that angle: that the underage kids are lying and that's bad for us, don't do that, don't lie, poor us who thought we had legal nudes!
No. 921493
>>921479PushingUpRoses mentioned that Jared was an asshole who would creep on her. That was about it.
MarzGurl talked about how she and Jared used to be friends, but he dropped her when he started to get bigger. That jives with what Pat said about him.
No. 921515
>>921344Holly is also the same person that in her initial twitter burst, accused Heidi of coming forward to gain more twitter followers - when less than six months later, Holly had released SEVERAL clothing items featuring phrases from the shitshow so that she could profit financially.
Now, to each their own, but even if Heidi was doing it for followers, I would think that trying to profit financially was a lot skeezier.
No. 921518
>>921452
>"I'm so tired of being painted as an irrational villain."Fam, you literally called someone an unfixable human and emotionally
abusive just because she asked you not to fuck her husband. You ARE an irrational villain, you one woman freakshow.
>"At this point I say I'm sorry, and no one believes me"Because you keep doing the same shit and changing absolutely nothing about your behavior. "I'm sorry" doesn't mean shit if you just keep doing it.
>>921473
>"Jared probably does not have the money to engage legally"No, but his Hoelly Cumrag mistress does.
No. 921519
>>921452Maybe if her apologies were ever sincere.
They never are.
>>921493IIRC both PushingUpRoses and MarzGurl stood by their stories.
No. 921571
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>>921519>IIRC both PushingUpRoses PUR said that Jared just tried to flirt with her once, but said it only happened one time. This was also the time period Jared and Heidi were practicing polygamy, so makes sense he would be flirting with other girls.
>>921317Yeah but he should. That way Holly can see Ross and everyone else affected by her is much happier without her around. Though I don't think it's a case of Ross isolating her, more that Giwi is avoiding the limelight but is welcome to enter the public eye whenever she's ready.
No. 921572
>>921571
>"Yeah but he should"No, he shouldn't. Using your relationship just to rub in your ex's face is a sure fire way to shoot yourself in the foot. I'm glad Ross has moved on and is happy - there's no point in him throwing himself back into the mud where Hoelly has made her home.
>"Holly can see…much happier without her around"It doesn't matter. Narcs will NEVER accept that the problems in their life are their fault - it will ALWAYS be the fault of someone else.
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>>921610Oh wait, nevermind. The OP is now (or once again) a Holly Conrad convert. How unsurprising.
No. 921614
>>921612Yeah, well, sometimes it's a lot easier to say "Fuck it, you're fine" rather than endure HOURS of endless harassment by a bunch of idolizing rabid fans.
Most celebs would call out their fanbase for acting like idiots - but Hoelly seems to endorse, if not openly encourage, it.
No. 921625
>>921622It's incredible that Holly receives FAR less hate than Jared, but she's so self-centered that she can't even empathize with her own boyfriend. She's constantly freaking out about her own reputation, while Jared's is immeasurably more damaged by this whole fiasco. If they were truly innocent (yeah right) then he would have suffered far more than she has, but she doesn't care about that. Only herself.
Jared gets pissy enough to show his ass on Twitter every now and then, but he's not extremely milky just because he usually keeps his mouth shut. Holly, meanwhile, has faced far less criticism but can't stop screeching "WHAT ABOUT ME", resulting in huge lolcow threads.
Jared must be pretty tired by now.
No. 921638
>>921625That's just it - Outside of his embarassing "You've been lied to!" video and the occasional tantrum, Jared isn't milk worthy. He keeps his mouth shut (at least publicly) so people generally don't give a fuck about him anymore.
Hoelly, however, can't NOT be doted on by her fanbase.
>>921636CupcakeValkyrie is one of the most militant of Hoelly's fanbase who will straight up throw hands if you dare to say anything even remotely negative towards her. She has even topped Denica in terms of fucking ridiculous, like Hoelly wouldn't gladly throw them all under the bus at first chance.
No. 921642
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>"I’m sorry if I brought any negative attention your way."
You quote-retweeted her in front of your stan-army, you asshole.
No. 921644
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If you think about it the early years of Jared and Heidi's marriage were the glory era of YouTube and online gaming.
Jared&Heidi,Ross&Holly,Arin&Suzy all happily married (I hope so anyway). Game Grumps had TableFlip which was way more entertaining than the boring 10 Minute Power Hour.
I notice the downfall era seems to begin after Jared joins Dice,Camera Action.
Maybe there is a different timeline where Jared declines the job offer from WoTC and everything else is all good as well. Too bad we're not in it.
No. 921646
>>921642
>"Sorry if I brought any negative attention your way"Bitch, you openly talked about how "awful" people are to you (insinuating that op of that tweet was doing the same) when you KNOW your stans were going to rush to your aid like a fleet of attack helicopters.
Shut the fuck up, you two-faced ho. You knew EXACTLY what you were doing, Hoelly.
>>921644
>"Begins after Jared joins DCA…Maybe there is a different timeline where…everything else is all good"Nope. DCA didn't make Jared shitty - It just gave him a public venue and a wider swath of fans to abuse.
No. 921653
>>921646Also gotta love how her stans were ragging on this person for "talking about Holly behind her back!"
How does it feel, Holly?
I've heard of someone
else was just as 'trapped' as you were not long ago.
Her name was
Heidi.
No. 921657
>>921652I can't believe I'm saying this, but
at least TND's radicalized army of fans are catty & nasty upfront. None of this fake "Please be kind! ~uwu" shit.
No. 921766
>>921751The girl damn near gave up her career to defend this worm that couldn’t even be bothered to defend her publicly…
I can’t bring myself to hate her when she thought she was doing the right thing.
It’s a damn shame what girls would do for men that barely care about them, i’ve been in the same boat too.
No. 921767
>>921758As far as I can tell, nope. He deadass let this dumb broad fall on the sword and take the hit for him, and doesn't so much as post one "Chill the fuck out on the Hoelly hate" tweet.
>>921766
>"I can't bring myself to hate her when she thought she was doing the right thing"Uh….she still fucked a married man, called his wife an unfixable abuser (when all she did was say "Hey, maybe DON'T fuck my husband please"), and justified this dudebro abusing his fame to get fap material of his fanbase.
She's still a piece of shit - she's just a dumb one for hitching herself to an even more useless piece of shit.
No. 921847
>>921844lmao ok: except holly DID manipulate Jared to steal him from the marriage. Regardless if there were problems, regardless if Jared couldn't keep it in, Holly still went way out of her way to "save" HIM. Not once did Holly ever show Heidi any empathy for her marriage troubles. Not once did she think "hey Jared you know what, that's fucked up to Heidi".
Heidi gave consent to certain situations and didn't give consent to others. She didn't give consent to Holly. That's all you really needed to know. But the "no" wasn't enough for either Jared or Holly.
While Jared could ruin the marriage totally by himself, Holly STILL inserted herself in again and again into a situation that was none of her business. While married to someone else too, I may add. And then to top it off, has refused to see her wrongdoings, has called Heidi unfixable, has used someone's suicide to make herself feel like a
victim, disrespected her own marriage, has advertised herself as a mental health advocate/guru and can't practice what she preaches, has used her platform to randomly target other people who don't even @ her, has earned herself a bad rep even during her cosplay days, and is currently selling merch mocking the real pain of someone who used to consider her a friend.
So yeah, she should be fucking burned on the stake. This wasn't one mistake. This has been a SAGA of conscious mistakes. One by fucking one.
No. 921853
>>921847Don't you find it weird that Heidi didn't release any texts from her conversations with Jared? (the ones where he is ordering food or traveling are not really the ones I mean). In both her therapist texts and her friend's texts she references that she was away from him in Atlanta for two extended periods of time when he asked to separate. She claims nothing of the sort actually happened (he didn't "technically" break it off in October, only in February) but her therapist text to Jared seem pretty direct. And if they were in different cities they were certainly communicating even partly by texts. So where are those? I get why Jared didn't release them - he didn't actually want to speak about his marriage and even the screen with the text from the therapist was in background, redacted name and it might have been any of his friends he was messaging it - I think in the video he only used it as a timestamp that other people knew he was trying to separate already in autumn. But Heidi was not shy to share stuff about her marriage at all. So why not show those messages where he is still pretending to try to work on the marriage?
I know, you will say she has shown enough already. But that's the sort of hole in her story that pj&holly stans use to say - she is not showing them because they will not support her narrative.
No. 921862
>>921853that is some goalpost moving, though. What could those "missing" texts prove that would change the narrative from everything already shown? Like based on streams of them interacting, based on released texts, based on holly's behaviour and flip flopping sexualities, based on the snaps and the blogs and all that, what puzzle piece could possibly be missing that would benefit jared/holly and incriminate heidi?
further yet, if there WERE texts that would benefit jared's position then why didn't HE talk about them? If your argument's weight is that Heidi didn't show them because they make her look bad, then the opposite argument is equally
valid that why didn't Jared show them, because they make him look good?
The entire fiasco blew up because of the divorce and cheating; the blogs and nudes was a followup and had he not acted this way/blocked Heidi prior to his twitter announcement it is highly unlikely anyone would have come out. Discussing his marriage would definitely benefit him and any attempt at saying "oh he didn't want to discuss it" is purely hogwash because he was perfectly fine letting everyone bully and mock her.
No. 921880
>>921853In Heidi's response stream, she explained that she couldn't show the texts on screen, because it's illegal. Holly did exactly that, but no doubt she uses her wealth to squash any attempts at a lawsuit. Thus Heidi could only mention the sort of content that was in the texts.
Unfortunately, this is a case where you either believe her or you don't. The legal ramifications she could face from a screeching trash bitch aren't worth it.
No. 921883
>>921880The same stream where she felt it was not relevant to mention she was taking dicks from other dudes, how many or who they were.
Since her dating different guys would obviously have zero effect on Jared's actions and emotions during their marriage and not motivate him to draw his eyes to another woman.
She gambled her marriage away by proposing polyamory while forgetting her husband played dice for a living.
No. 921886
>>921883okay how can you be THIS dense to not understand that even if Heidi theoretically took a million dicks it's irrelevant if Jared consented to it, but did not respect HER boundaries and lack of consent with Holly?
imagine having zero emotional intelligence to get this concept, is2g. you should all be banned from having relationships until you can figure this consent shit out
No. 921895
>>921883So basically, you're assuming that this happened in the first place and mad that she didn't confirm your suspicions?
What about all the other times she's been vocal about her discomfort with sex and relationships after going through this trauma? You won't believe that, but you'll believe a fantasy about her fucking a bunch of unknown dudes with no proof but a vague statement from Jared about how she wanted to be poly?
No. 921896
>>921625part of is is that the pedo allegations were the main newsworthy thing, so anyone and their mom who read on of the major news sites that feature the story can hate on jared, but to get a taste of holly's crazy you'd have to keep up with her twitter. the news articles only mentioned her relative to jared, they didn't mention her setting herself on fire on twitter or attacking every rando who tweeted an untagged opinion about her. bless this site for archiving it all though.
>>921644Are you the same weird AU fanfic anon from before and can you please stop? no one cares about the weird AU where everyone has a happy marrige, people are here for the milk.
No. 921922
>>921862Jared didn't release any info about his marriage outside of the bare minimum and that was after the entire scandal started. He also spent only like 2/48ths of his return video on the marriage and that was mostly to tell people that his marriage is none of their business.
There are a lot of things that could be in those texts that could change the narrative - showing Heidi knowing that he wants a divorce already in October and asking to separate; and quite possibly showing how exactly that wasn't "technically" breaking up in her eyes? It can show she was fully aware of everything that was going on from that moment on and wasn't gaslighted but in denial. It could show that woman that Holly claimed "screamed on the meeting with their lawyers that she doesn't believe in divorce and will not do it". It can show that she was threatening to ruin DCA and his career and their lives (the texts Holly released between Heidi and Jared that don't have timestamp on them) way before Holly even moved to Washington when Jared was going on mental health retreats. It might show Jared's responses to all of her accusations to abuse or cheating or neglect and how he handled that situation and it might actually show him in better light than "abusing pedophile" .. it can have anything.
btw releasing the texts wouldn't be illegal but her lawyers might have finally tried to explain to her that the trial where she should be presenting this evidence is not Twitter but court of law.
No. 921941
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Has Heidi, let herself go?
After being a victim of adultery, one's confidence and self-esteem can be damaged.
This results in one of two things.
A) Give up, let yourself go and gaze into the abyss.
B) Be hurt, but motivated, hit the gym nearly 24/7 and come back stronger than ever before.
She hasn't posed in a skin-tight cosplay since A-Kon 2019, roughly 6 months ago.
Either because she doesn't have a reason to or, maybe her old costumes don't fit anymore?
Though maybe she is becoming more of a homebody and lost interest in going to cons as much (due to personal and financial reasons).(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No. 921958
>>921844
>"Heidi was yelling that Holly has manipulated and stolen Jared from her as if their marriage was perfect before"Their marriage wasn't perfect - but Jared might have been more inclined to actually put some work in, if Hoelly hadn't been whispering in his ear that Heidi was ACTUALLY abusing him (and not the reality, which was that HE was abusing HER).
>"Heidi was okay with it for quite a while and sending her own friends to send him nudes"Let's see: Heidi having her grown ass friends send her grown ass husband nudes VS Jared doing so and having "Hey, you're 18+, right?" be his only way of verifying that he isn't getting kiddie porn…
Yeah, I can see how Heidi is in the wrong here /s
>>921853
>"Don't you find it weird that Heidi didn't release any texts from her conversations with Jared?"Considering they're in the middle of legal proceedings, no - that's pretty par for the course.
>"he didn't actually want to speak about his marriage"Except for his initial post where he pretended to be doing this for Heidi's mental health - and not because he had been fucking his co-worker mistress behind his wife's back for MONTHS.
>"she felt it was not relevant to mention she was taking dicks from other dudes"Because it isn't. Jared was perfectly fine with her "taking dicks from other dudes". Heidi had asked him specifically not to fuck Hoelly and he did it anyway. That's what crossed the line from Open/Poly to straight up cheating.
No. 921959
>>921922
>"btw releasing the texts wouldn't be illegal"Except it would but okay pj2 stan.
>>921941
>"Has Heidi, let herself go?"What the fuck, Anon? Just because she's not wearing slutty, skin-tight cosplays right now doesn't mean she's….idk, eating nothing but ice cream and put on 100 lbs.
Hoelly, we know this is you - Picking apart a prettier woman is sort of your M.O.
No. 921963
>>921941Is it crack that you're smoking, anon? Heidi looks fine, healthy and cute here lol
"Let herself go" lmao that's pathetic levels of concern trolling. Off you fuck back to KF now.
No. 922247
>>922060>>921997I think anon's point is - it isn't illegal to just release
some texts, either all of them are illegal and she already broke that by posting some, or none of them are illegal but she is not posting them because of other reason.
No. 923045
>>921766>I can’t bring myself to hate her when she thought she was doing the right thing.I doubt she was. She just wanted Jared for herself.
Plus we're still talking about a woman who scammed a cancer patient out of thousands.
And tried to make Etika's tragedy all about her and her clown emojis.
And despite being a "mental health advocate" was perfectly fine with referring to the wife of the dude she's boning "bipolar and unfixable".
And never really shows genuine remorse for actions, it's always either using the mental illness as an excuse or a "sorry you misunderstood me" or just "I DID NOTHING WRONG".
So I can easily bring myself to hating her.
No. 923312
>>923045Also - sleeping with someone who is trying to leave an
abusive relationship is just
wrong & will only result in
more abuse. It doesn't matter how horny they were when they came to you, you make sure they're out of there & safe
before all of that 'sexual healing' or whatever they called it can begin.
No. 923357
>>923338Tinfoil but…
What if he
wanted Heidi to eventually find out?
No. 923369
>>923361>>923357>>923353Were three posts for the same thing really necessary, Anon?
Jared can WANT Heidi to find out all he wants - he succeeded. He's still a cowardly piece of shit for letting her find out rather than saying "Babe, I'm fucking Holly and leaving you to be with her, end of fucking story"
No. 923833
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Does anyone know much about Suzy and Heidi's friendship?
Seems like they were cool with each other, though not that close.
Which is strange, considering how Heidi was once good friends with Holly who was good friends with Suzy. You'd think Heidi and Suzy would be more connected because of Holly and their respective spouses also being friends and living in the same area at one point.
And even now they wouldn't have a reason to be on bad terms.
No. 923842
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The tumblr that has been firmly anti-holly just received this message - anyone that watches the stream know if this is the truth or not?
No. 923853
>>923833Holly spent a year telling everyone she knew that Heidi was
abusive, long before the situation went public. People like the Game Grumps probably believed her.
No. 923859
>>923853Hell, Holly's
sister was tweeting that Heidi was super
abusive towards Jared after Heidi first announced the cheating.
No. 923862
>>923859Holly has a sister?
>>923853Not just Holly, Jared was isolating Heidi and pulling the same scam too.
No. 923864
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>>923862An
alleged sister
No. 923867
>>923864Most likely a friend that refers to her as a 'sister'.
Makes you wonder how many people who
barely know Heidi that she showed these texts to?
No. 923908
>>923842Can't confirm but IIRC she tweeted something similar a while back too.
Jared seems to just have no spine unless he's hiding behind the internet, he'll be a smarmy douche on Twitter but when it comes to divorce filings and meetings, he chickens out.
No. 923918
>>923908Wouldn't be surprised if he's holding out hope that Heidi might take him back if things don't work out with Holly.
I remember Heidi tweeting that when Jared whined to her that he 'didn't know' if she or Holly was 'manipulating' him she fired back that she's not gonna take him back regardless of how he feels.
…Unless if Jared thinks he can break her will if he acts sad enough…
No. 923960
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Not milk but I will try to go through the existing stream archives and future ones to clip any references to Jared.
Here is one I found:
https://clips.twitch.tv/EsteemedCreativeTaroBuddhaBarShe talks about wanting to visit the local Ren Faire, but is scared to go there because that's the type of place Jared would hang out at.
And ends with "Hopefully they'll just move away". Them meaning Jared and Holly.
Though I am pretty sure Jared and Holly broke up. And if that were the case then.
If Jared were to see Heidi again, he would probably just make eye contact and just leave. When Heidi discovered the cheating he left until Heidi moved out. And his distant behavior is more evident now since he won't even show up to court.
If Holly were to see Heidi, she would –probably– try to befriend Heidi. Saying "Jared screwed me over too, we have something in common now! I am sorry, let's be friends again", not sure how Heidi would react, not very pleasantly I imagine.
I just can't imagine either acting aggressively towards Heidi.
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>>923960Here is a few more mentions. It seems she is not above mentioning the "good memories", even though like mentioned in the above clip that she does not want to see him again.
https://clips.twitch.tv/AntediluvianUglyClipsdadAsianGlowhttps://clips.twitch.tv/FitOpenEndiveYouDontSayBoth of those clips are essentially the same topic just from different streams. It seems the best memories Jared and Heidi had, or at least the ones she is willing to bring up currently are the ones involving Aries.
Maybe that is the only thing they could ever agree or work together on, was Aries, because they both loved him, I mean how could you not? He's adorable and fluffy.
I know she did mention the divorce once and I didn't want to clip it because if she catches on to the clips being made immediately after it being mentioned she will probably stop, so will have to be done retroactively.
No. 924007
>>923960"Though I am pretty sure Jared and Holly broke up."
Wait, did I miss something?
No. 924156
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>>923908There's some confirmation in the recent court records for the divorce. It doesn't say who, but there have been delays for "absence unavailability" twice in December. Their court date is now delayed until April! Guess Holly's got Jared chained to her bed until spring?
Also worth noting that there was a motion in November to prevent either of them from making public anything their lawyer learns from discovery.
No. 924169
>>924156so realistically what happens if jared doesn't attend the meetings? is there any practical reason beyond pettiness that he could benefit from dragging it out, like idk he delays paying heidi something? I don't know anything about divorce legalities and processes. I would say he's just lazy and/or unmotivated but I would have thought getting the divorce done and over with would make life easier for him. And for Holly getting him divorced quicker would mean she is easier to snag him.
I can't imagine Heidi would benefit from it either, since it's "the last string" attaching her to Jared. The sooner she's loose from him the better
No. 924239
>>924169>is there any practical reason beyond pettiness that he could benefit from dragging it outNothing practical, but remember this is the guy who skedaddled out of a restaurant as soon as he thought he got recognized.
Dude's utterly afraid of confrontation of any sort.
No. 924260
>>924239I think it's the fear of a confrontation.
"But she
yelled at me last time!"
Suck it up & cut the string already, jackass. …Unless of course there's something you
still want from her?
(Hey Holly, I know you lurk here, so if you're reading this, please tell Jared to just go to court & finish this already!)
No. 924313
>>923932To me, this is just Jared being Jared. Financial and emotional abuse. He wants to have her on the ropes, and bleed her dry financially, and exhaust her as a revenge for daring to stand up for herself and in public too.
It would be logical for him to hand her the divorce ASAP but he's just a fuckboi who wants to cling to the last vestiges of control of his ex-wife. He wasn't interested in her when they were married, but now that she's left him, he wants her under his thumb.
No. 924321
>>924313>>924169>>>/pt/752485Even Onision can show up to his court hearing but Jared can't.
Wow!
No. 924458
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>>923833>You'd think Heidi and Suzy would be more connectedI mean….why? Just because they're not ride or die BFFs doesn't mean they're on bad terms. I don't think Holly and Suzy were even that close? Cordial sure. All the boys are bffs maybe, but Suzy and Holly were really nothing more than work colleagues. Holly and Heidi were closer because their husbands were close and Heidi and Holly had more in common that Suzy and Holly ever did with their cosplay and as it would turn out, their taste in men.
If my husband's friend's wife's friend turned out to be having a career destroying affair with my husband's friend's wife, that destroyed my husband's friend's marriage and then my husband's friend's wife's friend's wife accused him of being a pedo…..why bother trying to sort any of it out? Too messy, at most it was probably like pic related. Besides, Suzy's always been threatened by other women in the GG-sphere, she's always wanted to be the only hAwT gAmEr GuRl. Why would she invite a hot heartbroken single girl into their group to take attention from her?
>>923960Not a reference really, but there's a stream where she's working on her winter Zelda cosplay using her vinyl cutter and Jared pops in at the beginning to try and help her fix it. (skipped around through it recently cause I was considering buying that same machine).
No. 924653
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lmao i thought someone was posting holly conrad's tweets in the onision thread
No. 924734
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>>924653Onision will never take the uwubekinduwu Washington State title from Holly.
No. 924747
>>924736But if Heidi posted a message like this, you guys would be all up her cunt calling her a strong goddess lmao.
Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the way this sentence is formed message wise. It's a normal sentence that could do without the unnecessary breaks.
Analyze for me how: "Be nice to people" "you don't know what they've been through or stories (lives) are" is something relating to middle school? "The least we can do is try to be kind to others" is a statement even heidi has said and she didn't get flack for it.
I don't care for hoelly but damn you autists are nitpicky.
No. 924750
>>924747Oh please, anon. It should be clear by now that "be kind to others" is only something Holly says when she wants people to be kind to HER.
She certainly wasn't being kind when she called Heidi unfixable or when she decided to hijack Etika's death to cry about how people were sending her clown emojis.
No. 924761
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>>924747she wasn't nice to ross, heidi, etika, Rana McAnear, mass effect fans, Sovrin, random people on twitter, the person whose book she stole from the witch altar, the participants of HoC and basically anyone around her that she doesn't benefit from
she'd rather put her fingers in her ears and scream "be nice!" over and over than take responsibility for herself
No. 924789
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>>924785what's this? a pattern of tying your self-worth on a fictional character? a sour attitude towards "popular" things? notlikeothergirls-ism?
it's almost like it's a personality trait she's had forever and not a recent development
(not shading you anon, just reminding the hypocrisy of her actions)
imagine hating blonde hair because your choice didn't win lol
No. 924819
>>924761Imagine saying that female representation is worthless if she's blonde. That's… insanely petty. Blonde girls don't count because they're generic! Fem Shep has to be notlikeothergirls too!!!
The hair color was the only difference between the designs. Insane.
No. 924870
>>924761Did anyone ever find out if she did scan and release that one Area 51 guy's book/pamphlet/whatever it was on her Patreon?
Because I'd add that to the list.
No. 924896
>>924747>Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the way this sentence is formed message wise. It's a normal sentence that could do without the unnecessary breaks.….so she deserves asspats for having an elementary school level understanding of the English language? She has about an elementary school level of maturity too.
>Analyze for me how: "Be nice to people" is a statement even heidi has said and she didn't get flack for it.Because Heidi isn't a homewrecker who broke up 2 marriages. It's not that hard to understand, truly. Do you not understand this basic concept of "context"? Hilter and Buddhism both used the swastika, do you need someone to analyze the difference for you there too?
>>924764Because we were all too busy nitpicking Snooz, Holly seemed benign and quirky at the most in comparison. She just wasn't that interesting because she and Ross
seemed healthier than Arin and Snooz.
No. 924965
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>>924950except the problem was never just about "divorce". He never "just" divorced Heidi. He manipulated her, cheated on her emotionally with his roleplaying and then physically with a pile of garbage, said pile of garbage also proceeded to not only lie to Heidi but manipulate her as well as manipulating Jared. And then to top it off block her before making the announcement to prevent her from saying anything.
Your boi Jared could have just filed for divorce without all that bullshit Heidi was put through. He could have been a fucking decent person and NOT CHEAT ON HIS WIFE. Then be free to chase Holly into her birdcage and touch her cloaca all day long if he wanted to.
No. 924987
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Supermega guys just casually announcing their listening to ProJared's old theme music
If you don't know they made this
https://twitter.com/matthwatson/status/1142632533688905728?s=19That Jared thought was a parody of him, which even if it was hardly seemed like it was meant to be offensive since it would only be a spoof of his channel and not his actions.
No. 924990
>>924989Lol Arin and Ross used to kind of joke about him too, like how they made fun of Jared's last name in Dragons in Places. Though it seemed kind of innocent.
Also care to show sources?
No. 925027
>>924950
>with all the crying over the ruined marriages one would imagine this forum filled with puritanical 17th century housewives. If you don't want to get caught cheating, then
don't get into a commited realationship. Nothing archaic or outdated about that.
No. 925057
>>924950LOL what an obvious pick me troll. It is not archaic or """puritanical""" to respect your partner, keep boundaries, or stop yourself from fucking your friend's spouse behind their back. I'd hope you are smarter in your personal relationships than you sound, anon, but it's likely the only conflict you face on that front happens when mommy won't wash your cum-encrusted socks, so you're probably golden
Puritanical, fucking lol…
No. 925075
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But there's evidence of Heidi messing around on the side too.
Example this from DragonCon 2017 (which was when they were poly) and her saying she's going to "find Link". Implying she is intending to fraternize with another man specifically one cosplaying as Link.
Which is probably why Jared uploaded his rebuttal video when he did, as payback to when Heidi cheated on him during Dragon Con in the past.
She had her RP fantasy kink too just like Jared&Holly.
Pretty sure Ross wasn't into that sort of thing, he's the only normal person out of the 4. He only cosplayed to win Holly's heart (biggest mistake of his life).
No. 925078
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>>925075Bro she's just casually cosplaying as Zelda in that picture. It's really not that deep
No. 925082
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>>925075imagine saying unironically that a random instagram caption means heidi was running off to find guys to fuck and that's what bothered jared two years later
No. 925090
>>925075bUtTeRy MaLeS: the p2j edition
denser than cement soup, this one
No. 925093
>>925075This is it fam. This is the proof that Heidi was fucking every male Link cosplayer back in 2017. Our poor gamerbro Jared was sitting sad at home, making a nude blog on a kiddie site all alone, while Heidi was fucking everything in her sight. We got her farmerinas, time to start buying Holly's new merch as an apology.
/s
No. 925212
>>925123pfffffft bahahaaa
Well fucking played, anon! The Hocarina of Time, indeed
No. 925355
>>924950Is this Holly?
The "Hi Holly" joke is played out but the "17th century puritanical witchhunt" coupled with shifting the goalposts from cheating and abuse to just harmless divorce… All out of Holly's recent playbook.
Punctuated with passive "she can live with her bad choices" and a hatred of pretty girls…
No. 925360
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>>925355Holly and Jared didn't cheat!
And if they did, it wasn't "really" cheating
And if it was, the concept of marriage is outdated
And if it's not,
Heidi deserved it.
>>924950Yeah, Heidi is lucky she got abused so that she can build her confidence "for real" now. /s
No. 925420
>>925360Honestly, both sides can play this game
It wasn't polyamory.
And if it was, it wasn't with my consent.
And if it was, I revoked it at unspecified time for ONLY them two.
And if I didn't, nobody on the internet will believe you anyway.
No. 925442
>>925420polyamory requires consent for every case, ya daft cunt. That's the whole point, that couples are aware and agree and are free to say "no" when it crosses a line.
If there is no consent and no awareness from your partner that you are with someone else, it's called CHEATING
No. 925445
>>925420i dont know how many times it has to be said but their polyamory was with the basis of consent.
Also allowing your spouse to fuck someone else shouldnt include that person telling that spouse that they're the first person they've ever actually loved (while beind married mind you) and trying to convince them from that point to divorce you.
If Holly and Jared were just fuck buddies I HIGHLY doubt that Heidi would have cared.
It was the fact that Holly was actively being a homewrecker trying to separate them.
I really dont see what's so hard to understand about that.
No. 925452
>>925445Heidi had another man's dick inside her during her relationship with Jared, her "emotions" are invalid. Clearly she didn't love Jared that much to open the marriage and date other guys first.
Same with Jared's emotions mind you, he can't be upset about Heidi messing around when he was too.
Damn nutcases these people
No. 925454
>>925452People can love and still have open marriages/swing. It's been a thing forever.
Also love this demonizing of Heidi exercising her right to poly, with the consent of her husband and even inviting him to join. While Jared gets a pass even tho there wasn't consent and with a married woman who also didn't have her husband's consent
No. 925495
>>925489if he did hire them then he shouldn't, they are terrible at it. He needs a refund.
I think it's just a troll scrote who has nothing better to do than make stupid as fuck arguments in a clearly pro-heidi thread just to rattle some conversation. Probably a person with dorito dust on their fingers and energy drinks who can't keep a relationship, if they even get one. Otherwise they wouldn't sit and debate about the ethics of polyamory journalism kek.
And when they act all "but heidi could have photoshoped/faked it!" then you have to acknowledge that jared could also fake the tumblr texts. Why would you take Jared's point at face value? The guy who has pushed out fellow male youtubers from his friend circle (pat and co.), the guy who send his dick pics everywhere, who had seven porn blogs, who cheated on his wife, who flirted with other female youtubers (instead of just finding a rando woman, don't fuck where you work), who acts like a moron, yes clearly with his long track record of being a decent person he is the one in the right.
Seriously, the trolls don't want to see the pattern because it ruins their idea that a male nerd was actually a creep and scumbag to people in general, not even just women. Jared "winning" over CP allegations is a victory to them.
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This sounds like bullshit (why would GF9 basically just give the okay to a Twitter rando instead of making their own announcements) but if it's not… first: JFC, but also, why the sudden return of the Wormdick's character after canning DCA AND pulling his Marty Stu from Idle Champions??
(also fuck these chuds using Community catchphrases in support of Wormdick and Hoelly)
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Considering this was also said in some DCA or PJ2 Discord regarding the perv's removal from Idle Champions, either they're playing up appearances to keep the pissbabies at bay, or it really is just the higher ups understanding just how much of a fucking creeper Jared is, and nobody else is bothered because he's never done anything bad to them.
No. 925781
>>924747
>"all up her cunt calling her a strong goddess lmao"Heidi is getting hate for daring to say "Hey, my husband has been fucking his whore for MONTHS before we separated". Holly's getting shit for being said whore.
>>924750Bingo. "Be kind to others" is really Hoelly speak for "Be kind to me". If she gave a fuck about others, she wouldn't have immediately blamed the
victims who fell for Jared's schtick of "body positivity" instead of calling him out for it being inappropriate from the jump.
>>924870I don't know if she did or not - but it was STILL an stupid thing to announce that you were thinking of doing on a livestream to thousands of people.
>>924950
>"Divorces happen adn life goes on after it"Right. Heidi has moved on from her cheating piece of trash ex husband. Holly and Jared both still allude to it on a regular basis.
>>925075
>"There's evidence of Heidi messing around on the side too"She was in ONE LDR relationship, and as soon as she asked Jared for monogamy, she cut that shit off.
>"Example this from DragonCon 2017"Here's the difference: Jared never said shit about her being in other relationships. If he had a problem and she didn't stop, I'd be giving her just as much shit.
>"She had her RP fantasy kink too just like Jared&Holly"Except she never fucked around with people behind their respective spouses backs and then gaslit them.
>>925341Sorry, Anon - I think you just need to burn the whole thing down and start over.
>>925461Eh, when their boards run dry, they try to tap LolCow for milk
>>925608Not to mention Dan-Dan-TheMan who admitted that Holly had given him info that he was pumping up before pulling the "She asked me not to release it, so I won't" card.
No. 925782
>>925738Yeah, WormDick effectively blew his own foot off with that one. You don't get to not just horrifically fuck up but then spit at them on your way out, and still expect them to bring you back.
>>925753I'd be more inclined to believe that this is just them trying to keep appearances and keep the ProJared stans from mobbing them with hate too. Every thing that has been associated with Jared/Hoelly is stuck in permanent damage control mode until those two idiots decide to move the fuck on.
No. 925826
>>925824what an odd time to get caught up in semantics, anon. Sounds like nitpicking only when it benefits you. I am positive you extend the same courtesy to Heidi as well in whatever troll cave you reside in with your fellow pj2
also fyi she was "asexual" for most of her marriage with Ross. Then she turned pansexual, then demisexual, then.. asexual again? Holly is a "pin the tail on the sexuality" game whenever it suits her
No. 925832
>>925826you are the one getting caught up in semantics, anon. demisexual is halfway between being sexual and asexual and it means she didn't have sexual urges towards most things/people/stimuli that sexual people would have. Pansexual means she doesn't care about the gender of the person she is attracted to which also makes sense when you put forward that text between her and Heidi where she explains Ross has allowed her to have interactions with women before. None of these are excluding each other - there is a spectrum of asexuality where you can go from not being interested in having sex or not responding to sexual stimuli, to actually being repulsed by sexual references or mentions.
>>925827Yeah, can you learn to read. Where the fuck the previous person referenced called her "Jared's whore"?
No. 925843
>>925839Do you claim she wasn't identifying as asexual before her relationship with Ross? Or that they didn't have sex because of it? Not sure what your beef is with someone in their late 20s or early 30s exploring and defining their sexuality but if you haven't had many relationships before this period that's exactly when you would do it.
Paraphrasing to call Holly a whore is the puritan BS this place is surprising me with. Which was the whole point of my previous post.
No. 925846
>>925844you do you, anon. Judging by Heidi's texts, Holly didn't know they will proposition her and didn't know her reaction will be positive. Which is what freaked out Heidi. None of this was initiated by the outsider in the marriage. They invited her in.
You can claim that RPing sexual relationship between their characters is having an actual sexual relationship but it is not - it is fantasy. And considering the amount of erotic fanfic Jared was requesting on behalf of Heidi too, it wasn't something extraordinary for that couple either.
No. 925848
>>925846anon you have forgotten the turn of events. Heidi noticed Jared and Holly's increased flirtatious behavior and asked Jared to finally deal with it because it was driving her crazy how they never acknowledged it. This led to the "walk" where they ditched their phones and went trailing off for hours alone outside. Heidi thought Ross at least was aware/knew about this and consented which is the conversation Heidi posted where Holly said he doesn't know yet and has to tell him, but when Holly started acting possessive and emotionally attached she felt uncomfortable and asked to cut that off. Which they didn't.
All this is easily obtained information you can string along from screenshots of texts and also Heidi's stream. I really can't help you further than that.
RPing a sexual relationship between a separately married couple is obviously dicey and the lines between fantasy and reality blurred, so clearly it was a bad idea in the first place. It also created sexual feelings between them, which they fanned the flames with using sexual RPing and art commissions. Again, I can't help you further if you can't see how that's a bad cycle.
No. 925874
>>925824
>"Calling a woman a whore…"Fam, she stepped out on her husband to fuck someone else's husband. Asexual or not, that makes her a whore. I'd call her the more mild "mistress" but Hoelly said that was misogynistic, so I thought whore was equally fitting.
>>925832That's not what demisexual means at all - in fact, it's just needing romantic feelings before you experience sexual attraction, but okay. Go off.
>>925843We get it - You watched Handmaid's Tale and learned the word 'puritan'. Move on, Anon.
No. 925885
>>925781"Bingo. "Be kind to others" is really Hoelly speak for "Be kind to me". If she gave a fuck about others, she wouldn't have immediately blamed the
victims who fell for Jared's schtick of "body positivity" instead of calling him out for it being inappropriate from the jump."
This is what's been bothering me lately. She says "be kind", but she doesn't actually stick up for the people who are being bullied by her fans. I think I would genuinely have a lot more respect for her if she applied this "be kind" mantra to standing up for others on a regular basis. I feel like her actions have consistently spoken louder than her words, and unfortunately they don't match.
Also, I watched both her and Heidi's streams, and in my humble opinion, Heidi's is better. She has a nice voice, she does crafts, and she interacts with the community in what feels like a really genuine way.
Holly's streams make me uncomfortable. First, not her fault, but her voice really grates on my nerves. I could ignore that if the content was good enough, but I don't feel like it is. For example the streams take on something way beyond her scope of expertise, and it feels like they don't actually deliver on what's advertised. At least with Heidi, I know I'm getting "crocheting" or "making a rug", but with Holly, I don't really get "mental health help". I mostly get her chatting about her birds… Which is fine, but then make it a stream about birds? That would be so much more interesting and she actually has that experience!
Mental Health Monday sounds great in theory, but in practice… what is she actually offering to the people who come? Like, if it was a nice quiet corner of the internet with soothing sounds, that might be something. Or if it was a "hey, here's a professional with me this week to talk about xxx" then that could be helpful.
I will give her that her intro animations and music are both nice. That's the only part of her streams I've enjoyed.
Anyway, sorry for the ramble. Not really relevant to the drama.
No. 925887
>>925874
>she stepped out on her husbandher husband is said by Jared to have been supportive of them and even visited him in person in March? 2018 to express that
her husband is said by Dan's anonymous source (that gave him screenshots of text messages, which Dan later didn't post because Holly told him not to) to have been fully aware and supportive too
her husband also separate from her without calling her whore; got a new gf and has moved on; and asked to not be involved in that drama because he is not part of it;
even Heidi said that Ross was aware and didn't like her; you claim that Holly didn't tell him because of a text she wrote HOURS after that first meeting where she said literally "I first need to talk with Ross before anything goes further" specifying that she would do so after Anna's party (Anna Prosser which has birthday around the time of these events)
You say "Heidi asked Jared to finally deal with it" but her texts to Holly say "I demanded he reveal his feelings to you because he would have never done it otherwise" and reveal how surprised Holly was of the direction her visit to their family took and the walk in the forest and her very sudden return to LA the day after
so yea, someone is forgetting the turn of events, alright. Someone that hasn't read the screens, just anons interpretations here.
No. 925896
>>925887If Ross was so supportive he wouldnt have stayed silent. Plain and simple. If he was all for everything wouldnt it simply make more sense to say 'Holly and I have been separated emotionally before all this happened so I have no part in it'
Meanwhile after their divorce Ross was notably depressed and there were clips in previous threads where he subtly talked about how he a 'past relationship' was bad and
abusive.
Also Ross is so openly opinionated and is so always there to stand by people why would he not have said ANYTHING to prevent his thousands of fans from calling Holly a whore? If he's SO supportive of their relationship he would have said something like 'Holly and I were not really 'together' when any of this happened so please dont attack her for that'
Also Jared has lied more consistently than Heidi. An 'anonymous source' that is like a third hand source?
Ross is not the type of person to drag up things like that but he IS the kind of person who would stand up for someone being falsely accused ESPECIALLY if it was in his name.
No. 925910
>>925887except ross and holly visited in March because Holly told ross that jared is abused by heidi, not to support the relationship
except ross was tolerable to the idea of holly experimenting with women but not with men, most especially with someone close like jared, and by the texts holly sent he didn't know until things already got out of control
except ross spent months on arin and suzy's couch being depressed as fuck, stopped streaming, was often drunk way past a normal point, spoke on VR about
abusive relationships and stayed silent when he was often the most opinionated outspoken member and would ALWAYS stand beside "his beautiful wife, holly"
except ross was not the one to initiate the divorce, holly did, and took the home with her, leaving him homeless
also anon you are showing how fucking new you are here cause you quote someone else at the top and reply to another's posts, yes heidi asked jared to deal with the situation and have an honest conversation with holly about how they were acting because neither of the two acknowledged it
like honestly you have holly and jared two people with a history of bad behavior and people they have alienated along their careers due to bad choices and the same pattern keeps happening all over again but this time they are bigger names with bigger audiences and you have the audacity to try to argue about it as though they are totally innocent in this
No. 925925
>>925885
>"But I don't feel like it is"I feel like Holly's streams were a lot like Jared's content - It was always kind of mediocre, but you could put up with it because it wasn't
awful and they had connections to the game grumps and such. Now, we all know they're fucking horrible people and have burned all of their bridges. They're just shit people with shitty content - and that's it.
No. 925926
>>925887
>"her husband is said by Jared to have been supportive of them and even visited him in person in March? 2018 to express that"Right, because Jared has absolutely no reason to lie about Ross being chill with it so as to feel less like an adulterous piece of shit while knowing Ross refuses to get involved or speak out publicly. /s
>" but her texts to Holly say "I demanded he reveal his feelings to you because he would have never done it otherwise"Exactly. If you know something is going on, but everyone is tap dancing around it, you're going to get fed up real quick and at least want to get everything out in the open. Heidi saying "Talk about it!" is not code for "Please go fuck Holly Conrad at any and all opportunity!"
>>925913If Ross was TRULY supportive of Jared & Holly, he wouldn't have dragged his feet in terms of his divorce (having Holly file all the paperwork, not going to court, waiting things out until the deadlines hit rather than doing it to get it out of the way, etc.)
No. 925937
>>925926>If you know something is going on, but everyone is tap dancing around it, you're going to get fed up real quick and at least want to get everything out in the open. Heidi saying "Talk about it!" is not code for "Please go fuck Holly Conrad at any and all opportunity!"That is true. There was something going on, just like Heidi was dating some black dude during the same time mind you.
With Jared and Holly it was just a crush, an unspoken thing, something they wanted to do but chose not to out of respect for their marital spouses at the time.
Would they have just eventually gave into temptation anyway? Maybe but we won't know now.
But it still only escalated faster than it would have had they just been left alone because of Heidi demanding Jared to do so.
She could have said "I notice something is brewing with you and Holly, so I would prefer for you to quit DCA and stop talking to her".
Instead "I want you to go talk to Holly about your feelings, and you [[have permission to do whatever you want to]]".
Was it a case of mixed signals? Definitely, clearly Jared and Heidi suffered with communication.
No. 925942
>>925937
>" it still only escalated faster than it would have had they just been left alone because of Heidi demanding Jared to do so."Yep. Heidi pushed Jared dick-first into Holly - and then pulled him away - and then shoved his dick back in. Lather, rinse, repeat, I guess. It's all her fault, and not the fault of the two people who were married to others at the time - Y'know, the ones who ACTIVELY participated in the fucking of each other, against Heidi's wishes.
>"She could have said "I notice something is brewing with you and Holly, so I would prefer for you to quit DCA and stop talking to her"."That would have gotten her labeled as a hysterical bitch. Not to mention that Heidi had already said "Hey, don't fuck Hoelly Cumrag" and Jared went and did it anyway. Why do you think he suddenly would have listened if she said "Hey, I want you to quit DCA and have no contact with Holly"?
No. 925944
>>925942anon it's honestly not worth debating with them. "heidi is fucking a black dude"™ has been on this board for a few weeks now and just won't fucking shut up about her fucking a black dude, about how innocent holly and jared were, and they aren't only being a baiting troll, their arguments are fucking dumb.
I merely propose we all collectively ignore this person any time they post. It's not worth our time. They aren't a confused soul that wandered in here by accident; they come here looking to nitpick; they probably even share their arguments here to some little troll cave full of other incel trolls.
No. 925969
>>925963How many times do we have to go through this same argument, anon? Heidi herself has already acknowledged this. She gave them consent exactly one time and posted her entire text conversation with Holly regarding this so people had more context. She revoked consent because Jared and Holly violated her boundaries which she was allowed to do at any time. Giving consent once isn’t a free pass to do whatever you want and the conditions of their poly relationship required consent and transparency, a bare fucking minimum that Jared couldn’t comply with. She needed monogamy to repair her relationship with Jared and that’s when hoelly started saying heidi was
abusive, all because she couldn’t fuck her uwu twu wuv diath. It was Jared’s responsibility to separate from Heidi if he wasn’t happy, but he made no move to do that until February and then in April Heidi discovered he was fucking miss cumrag for months behind her back anyway.
Jared and hoelly are manipulative scumbags who tried to pull a fast one on twitter before Heidi had a chance to say anything, but Heidi was able to shut them down. Even with their delusional stans trying to defend them, anyone with common sense can see this. Case closed.
No. 925976
>>925973Ah, yes, the classic. Jared is such an incompetent human being that he can't be held to the standard of "just do the thing that you know is the right thing to do" if he wanted to break up. How could we be so blind to his plight /s
Seriously anon, grow up. Jared is a big boy and if he really didn't want this entire mess he would've done something about it. Heidi wanted to fix the marriage and told Jared that breaking up was not ok with her, but its obvious that he saw that only as a way to maintain both her and Holly at the same time. A marriage requires both participants to be invested, but a breakup only requires the one person to end it all. Its not fucking difficult to understand.
No. 925979
>>925976Exactly.
If Jared was so worried about Heidi ruining his career by telling everyone he was a cheater and an abuser if he left, he should have left before he gave Heidi the evidence she needed to speak out against him. Before Heidi found out there was an affair she was merely suspicious, but didn’t have proof. Then Jared goes and gives it to her by sleeping with hoelly and being stupid enough to keep his old phone with nudes and explicit texts of their affair.
No. 926019
>>925963No, anon, that message absolutely didn't say what you think it does. There is NO message that ever said, "do whatever you want". There were messages to the effect of, "let me know what's going to happen before anything does" and "Diath and Strix wouldn't do it right away anyway".
That doesn't mean anything in the same realm as "do whatever you want" or "go have fun fucking!"
Why is this so hard to understand?
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>>926019actually what i said was
> rooting for you> You have my full permission to do anything> if you decide to stay in the guest bedroom it doesn't mean that you have to bang> don't worry about me and do what works> i am fine and will continue to be fine No. 926051
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>>926036She also clearly says in that screencap "I like transparency," and her reasons for revoking her approval is first, they were NOT transparent about what transpired that night in February. Then Heidi found out Holly wanted more from her relationship with Jared than Heidi was comfortable with. A lot of successful poly relationships are predicated on the married parties always remaining each other's number one, and it was clear pretty early that Holly wanted to replace Heidi in that spot, and was willing to leave Ross to make it happen.
No. 926056
>>926051Can we all just agree that Jared,Holly and Heidi are all a bunch of hipster nutcases.
These kids and their "open relationships".
No. 926197
>>925831NTAYRT but how's messy side ho sound? that make you feel better anon?
Holly's a narc side ho to a wormdick pedo, she's constantly tried to paint Heidi as a crazy bitch and took Jared's side after all the nasty shit with the porn blogs and maybe oopsie cp and sleeping with random women at cons. Went on to accuse Heidi of doing all this for attention then made a whole merch set about "bOuNdaRiEs lol", basically spitting in Heidi's face for bringing it all out to public. Tried to make Etica's suicide about herself and how cancel culture can kill or whatever. She's such a piece of shit, idk why you're so pressed about her being called a whore
No. 926198
>>926035Excuse me while I play the world's smallest violin for ProPedo - who tanked his own career by refusing to keep his dick in his pants.
>>926056Poly relationships aren't necessarily "hipster nutcases". It just so happens that when you combined poly with Jared "I'm a fucking tool" Knabeanbag and Hoelly "UWU not like other girls" Cumrag, it created a perfect storm.
No. 926235
>>926231You mean a baseless assumption based on fan speculation that makes no sense whatsoever? Heidi didn't know anything about what was going on with Ross or what was happening in his marriage; she had no communication with him, and the only texts exchanged between Heidi and Holly indicate that Ross had no idea what was going on.
It's incredible how you brainlets will come up with these wild ideas or listen to some associate of Holly's who was caught blatantly lying and run with it, rather than make any effort to register the actual evidence right in front of your face. What's that? Ross is in a dark place and getting drunk all the time right around the time his marriage falls apart? He still makes loving posts gushing about Holly even after it was revealed Holly was having an emotional affair with Jared? I'm sure it's nothing, because Jared said Ross visited him and Jared would never lie.
No. 926240
>>926235the two couples lived together for about a month after their house got flooded and before they moved to Washington. I'm certain that this isn't something they would keep secret among friends they are comfortable with (and they were at that time).
The only reason we haven't seen any evidence directly from Ross (as in texts to Jared or Holly or Heidi) is because all three of them honored his desire to be left out. If Heidi knew that Ross didn't know of the affair or Holly lied to him, why wouldn't she say it instead of "I was under the impression Ross knew about it and he didn't like me" ? Or not say anything for that matter.
No. 926244
>>926240
> the two couples lived together for about a month after their house got flooded and before they moved to Washington. I'm certain that this isn't something they would keep secret among friends they are comfortable with (and they were at that time). "You're right, I WILL ignore the evidence that Ross still loved his wife while she was cheating on him and was visibly torn up about their breakup so that I can bring up an event from years ago and assume that Holly and Ross were in an open relationship then based on nothing but my own imagination"
> The only reason we haven't seen any evidence directly from Ross (as in texts to Jared or Holly or Heidi) is because all three of them honored his desire to be left out.lol literally none of them respected Ross's desire to be left out but okay
> If Heidi knew that Ross didn't know of the affair or Holly lied to him, why wouldn't she say it instead of "I was under the impression Ross knew about it and he didn't like me" ?Because Heidi DIDN'T know Ross knew about the affair; anon in addition to your failure to process basic information, can you also not read?
The exchange of texts between Heidi and Holly show that Holly hadn't told Ross about her feelings for Jared or about their meetup, but that she needed to talk to him about it later. Heidi clearly made the assumption at that point that Holly did communicate with Ross about her inappropriate relationship with Jared, but we can all look back after the fact at Ross's old tweets to see that he likely had no idea, since he was being openly lovey dovey with Holly months later.
Can you please go back to PJ2 where you can spew this nonsense to your party of brainlets who will put up with, nay, celebrate your cognitive impairments
No. 926272
>>926244
>based on nothing but my own imaginationactually there were people writing about this on reddit prior to the scandal and the texts that Heidi released between her and Holly also confirm that they had understanding about Holly having relationships with women. Since Holly was the less sexual person in that marriage, it's fair to say there was probably something similar for Ross as well.
> literally none of them respected Ross's desire to be left out but okayHolly stopped release of texts that implicated Ross' position in the fall and also deleted tweets that were mentioning him knowing about her relationship with Jared and giving okay for it. I imagine if they were in an open relationship and such texts exist (since Dan was so excited about them) Holly can release a lot of them - especially if they defend her. Yet she didn't.
> The exchange of texts between Heidi and Holly show that Holly hadn't told Ross about her feelings for Jared or about their meetupthe texts exchanged were literally hours after the meeting in the woods happened, when Holly was traveling back to LA.
> we can all look back after the fact at Ross's old tweetsYeah, cause his tweets say anything about his private relationship in his marriage? Really? Do they say he gave his wife permission to be with other girls?
Again, anon, if he had open marriage with Holly, her having relationship on the side wouldn't stop them from having relationship with each other. Or you don't get how this stuff works?
No. 926283
>>926272
> actually there were people writing about this on reddit
> Yeah, cause his tweets say anything about his private relationship in his marriage?anon: mocks using someone's actual words and behavior as meaningful evidence
also anon: thinks redditors are good source of information
> texts that Heidi released between her and Holly also confirm that they had understanding about Holly having relationships with women. Since Holly was the less sexual person in that marriage, it's fair to say there was probably something similar for Ross as well.Yeah, because it makes sense for Ross to be able to date women, but for men not to be on the table for Holly. It's a massive leap to go from "Ross and I have talked about open relationships before and he's fine if I date women" to "Ross is okay if I sleep with women because we have an open marriage and he has a girlfriend."
> Holly stopped release of texts that implicated Ross' position in the fall and also deleted tweets that were mentioning him knowing about her relationship with Jared and giving okay for it. I imagine if they were in an open relationship and such texts exist (since Dan was so excited about them) Holly can release a lot of them - especially if they defend her. Yet she didn't.So your position is "They had an open relationship and that's why Holly didn't release texts"? There's no other possible scenario here? lol
> the texts exchanged were literally hours after the meeting in the woods happened, when Holly was traveling back to LA. They were engaging in an inappropriate relationship the whole time, smooth brain, which is how it finally came to a head and that conversation happened to begin with.
> Again, anon, if he had open marriage with Holly, her having relationship on the side wouldn't stop them from having relationship with each other. Or you don't get how this stuff works?"Relationship on the side" AKA emotional cheating, if Jared was just a side piece, then why did Ross and Holly get divorced? Because Holly was having an affair, you nitwit
No. 926352
>>926347Knowing =/= Being okay with it.
The truth is likely in the middle, Ross being aware of the situation but uncomfortable with it.
No. 926621
File: 1580541001326.jpg (87.95 KB, 732x548, hollysays.jpg)
>>926272>the texts that Heidi released between her and Holly also confirm that they had understanding about Holly having relationships with womenIf by understanding you mean Holly and Ross talked about it hypothetically years ago and he said maybe and then it was never spoken of again? Those are Holly's own words from the texts between her and Heidi after her February walk with Jared. You can read the whole thing at
https://imgur.com/gallery/61PBric.
No. 926800
>>926372Yep. They took
full advantage of Ross' silence by speaking
for him as well.
No. 926860
File: 1580605652927.png (24.67 KB, 438x370, twc-tumblr.png)
>"The kicker is that Keemstar initially referred to Holly as “side ho” (iirc) and Holly was apparently okay enough with that to make an art piece about it while in the mental hospital, but when people on twitter started calling her a ‘mistress’, she spazzed out and started insisting that everyone was being misogynistic."
I love when people point out shit like this. Call her a "Side-Ho" - she jokes about it to cope, but call her a "Mistress"? - gasp! MISOGYNY!!! -spams link to think piece about how such words literally murder women everyday or some shit-
No. 926964
>>926847>>926839Thing is these people in the gaming community, they exist to entertain.
Ross is an animator, not a lifestyle guru.
Probably shouldn't necessarily view them as role models, for career related things sure, but personal life, not neccesarily.
No. 927032
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I must admit, if Heidi is "The one true abuser" then she's doing a damn good job convincing people otherwise.
Knowing Holly & Jared's past behavior, it's clear they were guilty of what they did, so they had to drag Heidi down in order to feel better about it.
No. 927111
>>927006
>"why would she feel the need to separate from him?"Because Hoelly made clear that she wanted Jared - no one else, and she didn't want him to have anyone besides her either (at least his wife that was asking him to respect her boundaries and not fuck his mistress).
>>927033Exactly. Holly can preach her "Be kind uwu!!!" schtick all she wants, but when she threw her support behind a dude who made a career out of trashing people for shits and giggles, it's game over.
No. 927167
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Holly, what the fuck, girl. Amber Heard is obviously gaslighting Johnny Depp in those phone calls. She tells him things like "you're such a baby" and "I wasn't punching you, I was hitting you" to deflect from her lying. She has a history of physical abuse. There are countless witnesses to prove she was lying. She's purposely vague and won't answer questions with a straight answer.
Heidi is the opposite of that. She posts all of their logs and is extremely detailed in her responses. She's respectful and gives Jared the benefit of the doubt. Johnny Depp lashed out at Amber once because he was provoked, and we can still see he's obviously not the abusive one in the relationship. Same with Heidi.
Holly, you're in the fog. Hard. And someday you're going to look back on this time in your life and cringe at the things you've said and done. I just hope you won't stay long enough to someday become just like Heidi. But maybe you need to do that to realize what abuse feels like.
No. 927259
>>927255not to mention incredibly fucking rude. like wow, I was shocked when I saw her like that tweet. Imagine publicly endorsing a tweet comparing heidi to fucking amber heard, a physical and emotional abuser.
it's the "unfixable" thing all over again. But sure Holly, "be kind"
No. 927294
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Jesus Christ, now ProDick liked it too.
These people honestly can't move the fuck on, can they??
Keep diggin' that hole, you human dumpster fires.
No. 927343
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>>927313As well as Erika Ishii. Who was involved with DCA and was at the first on-stage game.
https://youtu.be/00GM1ufqniUhttps://youtu.be/DZnG4UdFTkcI mean Ross doesn't seem like the type to hold grudges, plus it's not like she did anything wrong to him even if she was friends with someone who did.
Or maybe it's his way of stealing Holly's friends, which is also great.
No. 927367
>>927167
>Johnny Depp lashed out at Amber once because he was provoked, and we can still see he's obviously not the abusive one in the relationship. Same with Heidi. THIS.
The moment Heidi spoke up about her doubts was the moment Holly decided to make her the villain.
No. 927368
>>927313She even looks like her, lmao
>>927337>Holly, you can do so much betterYeah, she already was doing better, but he never made her feel like being in love, apparently! Don't waste your feelings, anon, Holly is a manipulator and a scammer, and having traumas don't excuse her behaviour. I used to like her, and I was mildly upset too when she started to throw everyone involved except ProDick under a bus.
No. 927398
File: 1580677323771.png (144.52 KB, 476x482, hollybsing1.png)
Someone asked her about that whole charity thing with the shirt
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No. 927409
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tsk tsk tsk…
This oh-so-persecuted couple wants to claw their way back into relevance again it seems…
Also, Heidi could've been thinking about anyone when she liked that tweet, might not even be Jared and/or Holly (it probably is, but you never know).
…But of course, like clockwork, hit dogs will holler.
No. 927412
File: 1580678921937.png (32.75 KB, 578x334, projaredstans.png)
Also "Be Kind everyone!"
No. 927422
>>927399
>"I said I would do something out of fear"That's the same shit she pulled with Heidi, "I called you
abusive because I was scared from you yelling at me over the phone". The scared little girl schtick isn't going to work for you forever, Hoelly - Grow up.
>"I was trying to make strangers on the internet with misinformation unhappy"I know this was a typo, but yeah, well done on the "making us all unhappy" bit, Holly. You finally got part of it right.
>"If that makes me evil"Nah, fam. You defending your fuckboi for soliciting nudes from his fanbase makes you evil. You calling Heidi an abuser, admitting in private that you were wrong and then continuing to call her that publicly, is evil.
>"They could be stopping climate change"So could you - instead of liking tweets about the woman you convinced your boyfriend to cheat on, you could be reducing your carbon footprint and doing the world as a whole a fucking favor and log off of the internet. Also, someone with 50-60+ pets has no room to talk about 'stopping climate change'.
Talk about lip service and virtue signaling….
No. 927427
>>927313There's a character who is a robot who imho is the real dig at holly.
She's got a face perfect 'sweet' face but behind that is a monstrous maw.
I think the demon girl looking like Holly is an unfortunate side effect of Ross kinda having one main hairstyle he likes to draw
No. 927428
>>927401
>"You'd know I value kindness"You called Heidi an abuser multiple times.
>"Forgiveness"You called Heidi 'unfixable'
>"Not bullying, acting superior, and trying to shame someone into doing things"Nah, you just greatly prefer running around behind people's backs, calling them
abusive for expressing limits, mocking their 'boundaries' with your ugly t-shirts, and pulling the "uwu not like other girls" card.
>"Liking a tweet on my twitter account isn't bullying someone"No, but publicly calling them an abuser with no evidence beyond "They yelled at me for fucking their husband!" is.
>"Stop stalking people's likes"Stop trolling forums that you KNOW are against you. That 'unhealthy habits' thing goes both ways.
>>927412
>"She should go kill herself"So much for being kind.
No. 927432
>>927428If she wants this shit to end already, then she should just publicly admit where she jumped the shark when it came to Heidi.
Also, it's funny how Heidi doesn't even need to mention their names & they're
already wrestling to regain control of the narrative.
No. 927442
File: 1580683796837.png (438.8 KB, 1120x885, PrivateHolly.png)
Holy shit, Holly just privated the biggest chunk of her videos. Her videos page is now ridiculously barebone and you can just see from her playlists just how much has become unaccessible.
I wonder if it's because it dawned on her just how much of her behavior there, before she descended into uwubirbmombekind, reflect on her true colors…
I guess Commander Holly got demoted to Private Holly.
No. 927448
>>927445Those evil Game Grumps people laughed at her when she cried at a sushi restaurant!! Our little birdatarian (not vegan btw) couldn't stand giving them a platform.
More proof that their super amicable divorce was just a lie.
No. 927454
File: 1580684749524.png (18.04 KB, 576x138, comparison.png)
Good to know at least some people
aren't buying it
Unfortunately, this persons's replies will fill up with shit like "She THREATENED to RUIN HIM/COMMIT SUICIDE/etc!!!"
As if
no one has
ever done that kind of shit during a breakup before (it's
not healthy, but the WKs act as if Heidi is the
first woman to
ever act the way she did when trying to save a marriage that, unbeknownst to her, was on the verge of death.)
>>927442>>927445lmao, a sure sign of 'innocence' right there! /s
Guess she found out people were still watching the video of her stealing that journal.
No. 927490
>>927454>she threatened to commit suicideI love that they come back to this when SHE DIDN'T. Her fucking 1-800 therapist told Jared she might threaten to do it.
Secondhand and Heidi didn't even want her say it
No. 927499
>>927492She also threatened to kill herself all the time with Ross and told Jared she was
abusive to Ross. Ross even confirmed it in a VR chat video. She was such a nightmare Arin and Suzy had to step in to help her get help.
No. 927509
>>927442Fuck, I know there was at least 2 or videos with Heidi.
The Ren Fairre one.
And another with her, Ross, Heidi and Jared at PAXSouth '16.
I was gonna archive but it seemed like she had no interest in deleting them
No. 927514
>>927499It's pretty telling that the entire Game Grumps crew cut ties with Holly – the same people she supposedly valued for keeping her accountable so she wouldn't "lose everything" (her words). Now she's deleted all evidence of those friendships that supposedly meant so much to her.
She must be Big Mad that they weren't agreeing with and enabling her behavior. Probably soothing her bruised ego by reassuring herself that they're boolies for not supporting her affair partner Jared.
No. 927542
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A bit OT, but please enjoy the beauty of this rando ripping into Mr. Matt Lawson.
Normally, I'm against ad-hoc attacks, but some of these WKs have been absolutely vile about this scandal. Spamming clown-emojis doesn't come anywhere even remotely close to their behavior.
No. 927547
>>927542
>"Spamming clown-emojis doesn't come anywhere even remotely close to their behavior"Exactly this, Anon. Clown emojis are relatively harmless little pictures - Holly stans are straight up telling Heidi to kill herself, calling her a whore and slut, sending all sorts of threats.
So yeah, woe is hoelly with her emojis - Heidi's a bit busy trying to not wind up getting murdered by a rabid jared stan.
No. 927557
>>927550Good.
Should've been banned though.
Maybe if he keeps running his mouth he'll get his main suspended too. The Striath keyboard-warriors have forced the narrative long enough.
No. 927578
>>927550Again, so much for that "Be Kind" brigade!
Jared+Holly stans really need to take a good hard look at themselves& what kind of message they're spreading.
No. 927650
>>927442Lol for private holly
But tbh i think most those videos were collaborations with ross or heidi (im p sure about undertale). Maybe shes just trying not to be associated with him anymore
No. 927671
>>927650She definitely collaborated with Ross for Undertale. He mentioned her killing Tauriel in his playthrough with Barry. She also privated her Stardew videos with Ross.
Riven with Kati, is still there though.
No. 927674
>>927650definitely; with the exception of having Ross' name in titles, there is no show of him anywhere now. Way back in the past she used to have a tutorial on how to apply fake tattoos for cosplay and she used Ross in the video to stick them onto. She's even put that to private.
The only people in her videos now are Kati, Jared, JonTron, Chad from her few life is strange vids, and any other random person from her old old videos.
You can't delete the past, Holly. We'll always remember you as Ross' ex wife.
No. 927679
>>927674Strange the video with JonTron still up since she probably hasn't spoken with him or even had a reason to in years.
Must be an enemy of my enemy is a friend sort of thing.
Since Jon hates the Grumps now, and Holly does too
No. 927680
>>927679I guess yes: Kati sucked up to Holly after the theater show drama so that explains that bit, but Jon's case is either that it's a harmless video/he has no connection to all that drama so she left it up, or enemy of my enemy thing.
So there goes the taco bell vlog too and the Ireland/Australia trips, I wonder if she removed pics off instagram too? or was it just youtube
No. 927683
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The irony of this is that Holly's supporters have been shouting about how Heidi lied because she left out some information in her story the first time through. But now it's okay to not owe anyone a streamlined story, I guess.
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a few ridiculous katie updates incoming because i just can't stop myself from lurking her tweets, she's so unhinged its like a train wreck
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these ones are particularly interesting to me because its obviously directed towards us
I can only assume the "H"'s she's referring to are Holly and Heidi
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No. 927697
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and 2/2. I'd hardly say Heidi was "fighting over" wormdick, but katie is legitimately crazy anyway so talking sense to her is impossible so whatever
No. 927748
>>927696The use of the phrase 'milk' implies that she ALSO stalks lolcow (hi fam, how are ya?) - The desperation some of these cows have for attention is honestly pathetic.
>>927697Kati, them not like an comment from someone who's a few cards short of a deck doesn't mean shit.
>"Cling to the cop-out"I know she has to be talking about Holly since the only time Heidi mentioned mental health was briefly and never as an "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" bit.
Yall brace yourselfs for War of the Crazies 2k20
No. 927756
>>927748Somebody hasn't been watching Heidi's live streams.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJ35vKzHCQ&feature=youtu.beShe's been talking about mental health a lot lately
No. 927760
>>927756You're right - I have a life that doesn't revolve around watching someone's live streams in the event that they MIGHT slip up and say something of interest.
Again, there's a difference between "Here's the situation with my mental health" and "LOL IM SO FUCKING UWU NOT LIKE OTHER GIRLS - YOU CAN'T YELL AT ME, I'M MENTALLY ILL!!!"
also, sage your posts, newfag
No. 927761
>>927760This was new information for you, in turn milk.
Learn your site rules, cow
No. 927765
>>927762holup, how new are you to this thread? giving yourself away much
anyway I am lol'ing at her trying to push herself into this irrelevant drama, she's SO desperate. Holly ain't gonna give you attention, hon. She didn't do it to her ex husband, she won't do it to you
No. 927767
>>927761Anon, milk is something that's new to EVERYONE (or at least the majority), not a link to where you can point out that Heidi the Whore ALSO talked about her mental health (on her on stream, btw - not as a defense for being an asshole like Hoelly).
>>927762Just think of Kati/Katie as the crackhead that hangs out at the gas station at 3 am. Whatever she says has about as much truth to it.
No. 927795
>>927781What's your point? Yes, Heidi discusses her mental health as in a "Here's where I'm at" kind of way. If that was ALL that Holly did, I don't think anyone would give a singular fuck - but it's not. She wields that shit like a weapon to manipulate people - to be more sympathetic or to act how she wants them to act.
If you can't tell the difference between the two, that sounds like a "you" problem.
Nobody around here is going to lick Heidi's taint or something, but jesus christ, anon - we're also not going to sit here and pretend like they're even on the same playing field.
No. 927801
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>>927795My point is this statement is incorrect. Full stop. You're the one in here interpreting meaning where there is none.
No. 927839
>>927809Remember that Kati is the REAL
victim thinking that she's part of #metoo because she rejected Arin and he moved on.
No. 927842
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not even surprised
No. 927857
>>927842This woman has the nerve to do mental health streams after all the harm and shameful shit she has done over the past year? I wish I could say I'm surprised but she needs a platform to shout about her illness for ass pats. Remember, it's okay to not be okay.*
(*Unless you don't support me, then you are an evil bully!!!)
No. 927889
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Oh shit, Creepshow is on the case!
>>927871It's normal for some people to delete stream announcements after the stream has ended, and not necessarily a sign of shame or self-awareness on her part. Unfortunately.
No. 927908
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Holly liked another tweet that compares Heidi and PedoDick to Amber Heard and Johnny Depp.
No. 927911
>>927908the funny thing is that I don't believe Jared ever personally claimed Heidi was "abusing" him; this entire narrative has been spun by Holly alone. I can't ever recall Jared actually accusing Heidi of such a thing, unless I am mistaken (so much has happened in so few months). Holly's entire schtick is that she is a savior for the broken and abused; I bet she gets some weird emotional masturbation from that thought process.
>>927909thank you anon, I do watch creep's videos sometimes but missed that one, I have nothing against creepshow. That is so disgusting, imagine saying that to get them to take down a video. Yikes.
No. 927913
>>927889I lost all interest in her videos after she took that Holly one down. She let Holly manipulate her by saying the video
triggered self harm? The type of videos she does probably cause a lot of distress for whoever she covers. If she doesn't have the guts to stand behind her work why bother? She even pointed out in the video what a manipulator Holly is and she allowed herself to cave to that BS? Holly was most likely lying to get her way, as usual.
No. 927957
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>>927911>>927950He did say enough without directly calling her an abuser already in May
No. 928022
>>927950>>927957anon you were replying to, thank you, I used to save/screenshot everything I could at the time but honestly it got too much. Although it's telling that all these statements come way later, when he began crafting his image. I still believe deep inside me that Holly's feeding him these words. She's like the puppetmaster with her hand up Jared's ass telling him what to say.
No I'm not removing Jared's blame in all this I just thing specifically the "abuser" angle is Holly's doing. After all had she not been a factor AT ALL in the marriage there wouldn't have been any "abuse" to speak of. Jared would just have cheated on Heidi with random women, as in his own actions wouldn't have changed, but the narrative would. It's not like Jared was abused during the marriage and Holly just came along and saw it; she actively stirred the pot between two people and blamed the woman for the damage she herself was causing.
"those close to him" and "had witnessed it many occasions" so where are those great witnesses then? why don't they step up? wait, anyone who HAS done that… is close to Holly. Hmmmmmmmmm. It's almost like being close to Holly gives you a twisted narrative. PeanutbutterGamer showed what an ass he is with half the information and retracted. Everyone else had been discussing the pedo angle, not the abuser specifically.
Like that screenshot sounds like when you're asking for homework help from your mom and they tell you what to write down and how to say it.
No. 928052
>>928022It is Holly's doing. She is literally the one who told Jared he was being abused and when he stood up to her and said he wasn't she backed down, apologized, and sent Heidi gifts. Holly projected her own history as an abuse
victim AND an abuser onto Heidi and Jared's relationship to get what she wanted, and since Jared is a weak sex addict he went along with it.
No. 928075
>>928052As we all know, people who are abused will quickly accept and admit that they are being abused, and never, ever, defend their abuser.
While that's probably not true in this case, what you're saying implies that you think this.
No. 928078
>>928022ForestFust specifically said he has observed Heidi being verbally
abusive to Jared in public and did not delete it afterwards, just said that he wrote it before he was informed by NB that he shouldn't comment on the situation at all (likely because of the sub drop that PBG endured). And PBG apologised for the way he addressed Heidi, but he didn't say anything about who was
abusive or not.
Also a remark for people thinking that Holly directed Jared's second statement - the timing doesn't quite fit. She was in a hospital that week and that statement sounded way too legalese worded to not have been read by a lawyer before.
Finally, both Heidi and Jared admitted their marriage was not good and had problems even before Holly came along in the polymix. You can say she was the catalyst for the divorce, but not necessarily the reason for all the abuse (either story you believe) going on.
No. 928092
>>928080have you been on the internet for 5 minutes, anon? there is literally the "don't google symptoms on the internet" trope
also during holly's ~retreat she was joking about keemstar calling her a side ho and was deleting tweets etc. She wasn't quarantined with a straitjacket.
Also nowhere in that statement does it sound like legalese. It sounds crafted. It sounds exactly like how he wants it to sound; that he's a scarred, embarrassed broken soul who was tied into a marriage he didn't want while trying desperately to get out, poor him
except if he took responsibility for his actions for like 5 minutes he wouldn't need to "desperately try to get out". I'm not even talking about the porn blogs or the pedo stuff. I'm talking just the love triangle.
Seriously if Jared had just not cheated, divorced Heidi when he was feeling it because he couldn't go on being dishonest, and Holly had done the same, none of this would have happened. It would hurt for Heidi yes, but at least nobody would have been in this position now. Literally months if not a year wasted because Jared couldn't put on big boy pants and get a fucking divorce before the cheating and assholery happened.
No. 928110
>>928108Holly was the one googling them. Not Jared. Holly knew what articles would jive with him.
Was Heidi probably at her wits end and lashed out sometimes? Probably. A woman who's been iced out of her own relationship will do that.
Was Heidi ~
abusive~ like Hoelly wanted everyone to believe? Unlikely. Hoelly probably subscribes to the idea that not being perfect is
abusive and all exes are
abusive No. 928112
>>928110Does this same litmus test not also apply to whether Jared was
abusive or not? It seems everyone here accepts that at face value.
No. 928113
>>928112why is it so alien that holly is the one who pushed the
abusive narrative to Jared? he denies it by himself, Holly "apologizes" to Heidi sending her gifts, and calling her so pretty and it makes her scared, and that she was in the wrong, but super secretly it's actually heidi everyone is scared of and she's the big bad boogieman under jared's bed
heidi was supportive of him from before his career even took off, heidi even tried polyamory to support her husband's desires and consented when she was alright with it. suddenly holly comes into the equation with a lack of respect to heidi's boundaries, but yeah let's blame heidi
y'all REALLY want to ignore that Holly could have said "no" to Jared even if she had feelings, because morals and it's not her business. Jared could have said "no" too. They both could have held off until a divorce is final to pursue their weird sexual roleplaying. Instead this happened. Please recognize this as soon as possible so we can all move on.
look at the web of things holly affected in this process: game grumps, ross, jared, heidi, fans, her image, etika, etc.
Sure maybe they fell in love, shit happens. They handled it tremendously poorly and look what happened. It's totally on those two. Heidi is not some mafioso mastermind who was secretly framing the perfect murder, she was a frustrated wife who was being blatantly lied to and cheated on. And Jared couldn't even give her a proper fucking answer; he couldn't be honest and say he fucked up and he wants to split. He just draaaaaaagged it on.
No. 928119
>>928113It is not uncommon for abuse
victims to be protecting their abuser at first. The first time Holly brought it up he defended Heidi. Yet months of therapy later he seemed to have changed his mind. Can't be just brainwashing, if he was so easy to brainwash by someone from another state, why wouldn't his wife of 4 years that lives in the same house as him be able to break this idea.
Heidi wasn't with him before his career took off, she met him because she saw him in the Screw Attack videos. Jared claimed Heidi proposed the polyamory and she never denied that.
Remember that at this time in 2018 he was actively collaborating with NB, GG, started going to therapy himself. Yet people saw Heidi in public berate him and yell at him and that was before Holly moved to Washington.
Jared obviously told Heidi he wants to split up because both she and her therapist knew about it. She just didn't accept it. It wasn't technically break up. He took her to a couples counceling and said that he doesn't want to work on their marriage anymore. She didn't accept that either - "He tried to break up with me at the therapist" she wrote to Sara. They had months where they weren't sleeping in the same rooms and he wasn't showing her any sort of physical or romantical tenderness or caress - because he repeatedly told her he wants to separate. But she instead took it upside down and said that he is abusing her by not showing her love? Then when she told him that, he broke again with her and she was devastated. And told him again that it won't work because he is in breach of contract and she needs reparations - and if they can't be emotional they will be financial. That's literally her words. Reparations.
No. 928121
>>928113I would be interested to know how you can be certain your narrative is accurate, as there's no proof either way. You think this is the accurate retelling of events but:
- We don't know who suggested poly, nor why it was brought up in the first place. We do know Heidi is bi and was excited to explore her feelings for women.
- Heidi is still accused of being
abusive, and there's not enough to say it's a completely false accusation. She is, however, proven to do things that would be
abusive given the right circumstances.
- You don't know that she was blatantly lied to beyond her telling you she was.
- You are also taking her at her word that Jared didn't try to cut it off properly. We don't know what he said, how exactly the follow up went.
You have a conclusion, but you don't have evidence.
No. 928123
>>928121In that case, neither do the holly/jared supporters. You also can't know what happened behind closed doors. If my interpretation is flawed, yours are all equally flawed.
I am fully ready to admit I do not "know" anything. I have seen past behavior from Holly, Jared and Heidi, combined with screenshots of texts, old videos, second hand accounts from people like Ross and Heidi's friends who also vagueposted at the time of events (conventions usually), and I can conclude based on my own observations. What I've seen is that Holly and Jared have been shitty people to others way before this even occurred. They both have a history of egotism, narcissism and lack of self awareness.
You've arrived at a stalemate. If you conclude you have "proof" that holly/jared are innocent in this, then so can I that Heidi was under a lot of emotional stress and Holly/Jared initiated and affected most of it. You simply cannot prove anything more than I can, and this can go on forever.
I'm well aware my interpretation is my own; I cannot influence this case nor do I post about it on public media. I do not tweet, harass or engage with anyone. Not even Holly. I hope you all can say the same about Heidi.
However if you come into a thread that is very obviously leaning towards being anti-Holly and anti-Jared and try to argue the opposite, you WILL get debated on. So I honestly wonder why you're wasting your time here when you could all be circlejerking each other somewhere else.
No. 928125
>>928123You're awfully prompt to condemn people for things you don't know to be true.
What I saw led me to believe Heidi can't be trusted. As a result I wrote her off, and don't make a point to talk about how she's a shitty person for x y z on an anonymous board.
I just point out on those boards when someone is making a statement of fact that isn't factually backed.
You do that a lot here.
Your board's leaning doesn't matter when it says something that isn't actually backed up.
No. 928127
>>928125SURE you don't. Yep. You are so kind and brave to be polite and dispute "unchecked" facts on behalf of Holly and Heidi. You gain nothing but the satisfaction when you go to bed that you are fighting for justice and the reputation of two shitty people, right? Better go polish up that white knight armor before it rusts from all the saliva you dribble when you lick their ass all day on anonymous boards.
go away you budget phoenix wright, nobody cares.
No. 928128
>>928127Given you're here defending Heidi's actions and condemning Holly's and I'm here correcting misinformation, I'm pretty sure it's evident which of us is the actual white knight.
I haven't attacked or defended either, I've just specified what is and is not known to be true.
No. 928144
>>928112Sorry, are we supposed to believe the two-faced liar who:
1. Preyed on fans and not only didn't show any meaningful remorse for it, actually posed in shirts that made light of his scandal in which he received child porn
2. Carried on in an emotional affair with his wife and mistress at the same time, while telling both women that nothing was going on with the other one
3. Attempted to vindicate himself to his audience by claiming that he tried to leave Heidi in October 2018, even though the emotional affair with Holly started 8 months earlier…
is likely to be the
victim of abuse? I guess in backwards world where good is bad and black is white, then sure.
No. 928151
>>928144I'll give you 1 if that's how you interpret it, I disagree, but:
2. Another unsubstantiated claim.
3. Another conclusion based off of said unsubstantiated claim. Dude stopped wearing his ring in October, how do you explain that?
You keep saying shit that you don't know is true.
No. 928158
>>928151Dude, you have been non-stop debating everything that anyone says against Hoelly and ProDick for two days now. We get it - Holly = good, Heidi = evil
Move on
No. 928159
>>928151Anon comes here, claiming to be 'just stating facts'.
Says that the positions here are unsubstantiated beliefs.
Goes on to use the fact that Jared wasn't wearing his wedding ring in one video as 'proof' that he cut things off with Heidi before he started things with Holly, and that he was probably abused by Heidi.
If that isn't a giant logical leap based on the tiniest factual evidence, I don't know what is.
At least the views here are based on both sides' logs and months and months of interactions on social media.
No. 928160
>>928158Only you see things so black and white.
>>928159Oh boy are you wrong with the "one video" thing. There's one video from the October-May period in which he WAS wearing his ring. Good try though.
No. 928162
>>928151Here's another interpretation of that fact.
Jared stopped wearing his wedding ring in October. Holly was depressed and asking him to leave his relationship with Heidi, but he stayed for several more months. Heidi was depressed, but trying to work on their relationship and stayed for several more months.
Holly thought Heidi was the cause of their relationship problems. Heidi thought Holly was the cause of their relationship problems.
Based on these facts, we can posit that Jared was telling two separate stories – taking his wedding ring off when with Holly and telling her that Heidi was
abusive and that things were 'definitely over'… and then going home and telling Heidi a different story and pretending to work on the marriage.
This is what cheaters do. They triangulate and turn people against one another.
No. 928163
>>928162This does not answer why he would take his ring off when streaming and shooting footage for videos which his "loving wife just trying to work things out" would be checking out every once in a while.
You don't take your ring off where people who know your wife can see if you're cheating.
No. 928166
>>928165Exactly: who knows what he told her? He could have told her "I'm taking off my ring, I want a divorce".
You just happen to be putting all your stock in one answer to this unanswered question.
No. 928170
>>928169Don't represent your opinion as fact then.
I don't, I always hedge when I don't know something. It's not difficult.
No. 928172
>>928168are we seriously discussing the mechanics of debate? of course it necessitates. Making a counterclaim means you have an alternative truth to proposition with your proof of truth, which contradicts the other claim, hence counterclaim.
You try to slick in "counterclaims" all over this damn thread and when we call you out you're like "but where did I say that? I'm not saying anything!" and back out with your tail between your legs.
At least we provide claims again and again to back up our own claims but when you get pressured you say uwu I don't believe it, I'm just saying "w-w-w-what if!!!"
No. 928180
>>928174And Heidi wasn't? Ya'll stretch more than Mr. Armstrong.
One picture, that you don't know when it was taken, is proof that he wore his ring to try and convince his wife he was still trying, specifically because he wanted to cheat more, rather than avoid her wrath. Compared to hours of publicly posted video.
That makes no sense. Holly knew he was married to the woman, he didn't need to take off the ring to convince her he wanted to leave.
>>928173I hope to accomplish pointing out that saying "X did Y" is not a statement of opinion. It's a statement of fact. And when counter evidence is provided saying "that's wrong" doesn't help to prove you were speaking about your opinion.
>>928172So, I guess debating a point you disagree with, a very common practice to help develop debate skills, is something that never happens.
Ok.
Perhaps if in stead of all of you ignoring what is being said, you could actually contextualize how the contrary evidence isn't
actually contrary in a reasonable way that doesn't 100% depend upon assumption of an individual's motives.
But that's impossible because you don't do anything else in this thread because the milk is dry and you're all just screeching about someone you dislike.
No. 928182
>>928180So "X did Y" are statements of fact, huh?
Holly did scam a cancer patient out of thousands of dollars by backing out of a commission and never apologized or showed remorse for her actions.
Holly did try to hijack Etika's suicide to cry about how mean people were being to her for being involved with a married friend, and how having a good support system keeps her from contemplating the same out. She also did not apologize for this stunt, merely blames it on being mentally ill.
Holly does ask people to be kind, but she also does like tweets that are openly harmful to people she did call broken and unfixable.
Jared did run seven porn blogs and he did abuse his power as a celebrity to prey on his fanbase. He did not apologize for these actions. He did create a video that spent 40 minutes painting him as the
victim of everything.
We may never know how the whole adulterous situation shook down, but this actions are things that these two individuals have done and are not apologetic about.
No. 928184
>>928180I guess I still don't get what you hope to achieve. All of the facts are already out there. If you're just looking for a different opinion to your own, google is your friend.
If you're looking to change minds, you're probably not going to do that here.
You can't prove one side or the other definitively because that proof just doesn't exist. So, for now, everyone is going to have to come to their own conclusions based on the facts provided. And everyone here has already done that.
Your completely facts-based debate finding the objective 'truth' isn't going to happen. Sorry. The only people who will ever get close to that are the people who were involved.
If you're having a hard time with the idea that things here are opinions, just know that they are. That's all that needs to be said.
No. 928186
>>928182 >Holly did scam a cancer patient out of thousands of dollars by backing out of a commission and never apologized or showed remorse for her actions. Actually she apologized multiple times to other people that keep bringing this up and explained that she apologized at the time too and the friend who had accepted the commission in first place had returned the money when they realized they couldn't finish it. But that isn't milky enough.
> Holly did try to hijack Etika's suicide to cry about how mean people were being to her for being involved with a married friend, and how having a good support system keeps her from contemplating the same out. She also did not apologize for this stunt, merely blames it on being mentally ill. She tried to raise awareness on the cancel culture and internet harassment and when people told her to stop being self-deprecating and look for self-harm she explained that she can't because this is her mental health illness.
> Holly does ask people to be kind, but she also does like tweets that are openly harmful to people she did call broken and unfixable. One doesn't have to be a saint to try and inspire people to be better than what they are.
> Jared did run seven porn blogs and he did abuse his power as a celebrity to prey on his fanbase. He did not apologize for these actions. He did create a video that spent 40 minutes painting him as the victim of everything.He specifically apologized for the power inbalance and recognized that having the blogs was unhealthy and he had found help after.
No. 928191
>>928184Given you seem to ignore/have not seen certain aspects of the "well known facts" my only goal was to provide the things you clearly did not know. Someone here said it was only one video. That was wrong. Someone here said Jared never accused Heidi of being
abusive, that was wrong.
Maybe if you weren't so insular you'd understand that simply providing information is not a refutation of anything, nor does it have a goal beyond "oh, you're missing information, here it is"
You can draw whatever conclusions you want, but don't try to excuse making falsifiable claims.
No. 928192
>>9281511. What is your point of contention? (1) That he preyed on fans? He himself even admitted that he misused his position of power. (2) That he received child porn? That Chai was underage at the time is not debated. (3) That he made light of it? He posed in a shirt that said "Cancelled." How else do you interpret that?
> 2. Another unsubstantiated claim.It's not unsubstantiated; both Holly's and Heidi's conversations show that Jared was saying one thing to Heidi and another thing to Holly.
> 3. Another conclusion based off of said unsubstantiated claim. Dude stopped wearing his ring in October, how do you explain that?October 2017? Because the argument isn't that he lied about wanting to leave in October 2018; the issue is that he said he decided to leave then, but texts show that he was having an inappropriate relationship with Holly as far back as February 2018, which is when all this shit started.
> You keep saying shit that you don't know is true.More like you don't give a shit whether it's true or not; your moral position is to defend a dude who solicits nudes from a fanbase made up of over 10,000 kids without ever bothering to confirm their ages. Clap.
No. 928194
>>928192There's proof he had an inappropriate relationship after February, but before October? Oh that's new milk. I thought either everything lacked any date identifiers.
YOU don't give a shit if it's true or not since you're so resistant to any new information that goes against your narrative.
No. 928199
>>928195There's plenty more than the two examples. I.E. the examples of Heidi being
abusive that get glossed over because she was "in pain"
No. 928201
>>928194
> There's proof he had an inappropriate relationship after February, but before October? Oh that's new milk.Anon: whines about people for not knowing """the facts"""
Also anon: Doesn't know about the text messages posted both by Heidi and Holly arguing over Holly's inappropriate relationship with Jared well before October 2018, which have been a topic of discussion for literally months now and addressed by both Heidi and Holly numerous times
No. 928204
>>928191You are not providing anything other than your biased account of their actions. Everything you've said is not fact but how you're choosing to see things.
Congratulations, you stan a predator and an emotionally manipulative side piece. Hope you're proud of yourself.
No. 928208
>>928204I haven't provided any account of their actions beyond hypotheticals, I haven't represented anything as fact unless it has substantiation.
Congratulations, you are potentially stanning an abuser and, potentially, justifying their abuse
No. 928213
>>928203
> Those texts don't have a date, anon.. You don't know when that conversation happened.https://imgur.com/a/61PBrichttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7DVCpDXYAUneDo?format=jpg&name=largewhat do you call that at the top? oh, it's a date, dipshit. the second one is from holly's own twitter.
waiting for the next attempt to spin facts as "unsubstantiated"
>>928205why are you people have such misplaced confidence despite being so stupid and wrong?
the whole reason everything came to a head is because THEY WERE ALREADY having an inappropriate relationship, which heidi called them out on and told them to address it.
you can't argue either that heidi was just imagining it, because guess what, you don't go for a walk with someone and go incommunicado when you're NOT having an emotional affair with them
No. 928215
>>928214
> this is something Heidi has claimed but has not provided any proof for. In fact the proof she has provided is that she encouraged them, not just "called them out on it" and even after the walk with them was open to the possibility of the relationship continuing on her terms.sorry anon i know it's hard to read, but "you can't argue either that heidi was just imagining it, because guess what, you don't go for a walk with someone and go incommunicado when you're NOT having an emotional affair with them"
yeah because when my partner accuses me of having an affair you know what i do? go for long walks with the person i'm accused of having an affair with for hours and don't contact my SO
literally how do you function
No. 928219
>>928213What are those dates?
November 9th and February 7th and 8th.
Weird, those dates aren't "Between February and October"
No. 928223
>>928216i know reading comprehension is hard but maybe if you rub your two brain cells together you can ignite a fire:
https://imgur.com/a/61PBric>>928219first "it didn't happen" then "there are no dates" now "the dates didn't occur at an arbitrary cut off!!!!"
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No. 928228
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>>928223This was the prompt, providing texts dated between November 2017 and February 2018 do not meet the rubric of what was requested.
You claimed that they did it without permission. Permission was taken away, approximately:
FEBRUARY 9TH 2018
If you cannot provide proof after the date of rescission you don't have proof of your claim
No. 928232
>>928226anon: "yes, it's true, i CAN'T read"
sorry, i know you tried, good effort
holly: wants to talk to ross about opening the relationship so she can be with jared
also holly: definitely not having inappropriate relationship with guy she wants to be with who isn't her husband
>>928228good job, you missed the entire point about that conversation occurring in february because their relationship was already inappropriate, try to follow along
No. 928236
>>928232Oh, so you're trying to say a person in a polyamorous relationship being flirty with someone else but not doing anything actually sexual is inappropriate?
How, exactly, do you propose someone in a polyamorous relationship find someone else to include in that relationship beyond:
Flirting
Realizing you're flirting
Realizing they're flirting back
At that point, talking to your SO about it.
Based on this assumption, you're implying that Jared and Holly committed some kind of relationship crime by not realizing they were flirting with each other.
Fucking what?
Heidi noticed it, because the other two were dumb. She asked them to explore it. She decided to ask them to stop. There's no indication they didn't stop. This theoretically meets the requirements of a healthy poly relationship.
Unless you know of some time he actually breached their agreement, you're blowing hot air.
No. 928244
>>928236And you’re being quite presumptuous here.
Heidi has already laid everything out and explained context for the texts. She was clear about what happened and why things went the way they did. Point blank regardless of Heidi once giving consent, she asked for the polyamory to be called off. No matter how Jared, hoelly, or their stans try to spin it, Jared and Hoelly were fucking after Heidi closed off the open relationship and before they officially separated. I don’t know why you’re so eager to defend them. They cheated and they know it was cheating and they are trying to absolve their guilt and have their rabid fanbases shutdown any ridicule towards them. All Jared had to do was be an adult and separate from his wife. I don’t buy his story about how Heidi was threatening to ruin him. How would she have without proof before October 2018? Instead he goes and gives it to her by fucking hoelly anyway and then being too dumb to delete the evidence or get rid of his old phone.
But honestly that’s not even what’s important here. Cheating is shitty and I’m sorry that happened to Heidi but I don’t think any of their marriage issues should have been brought to the public since it wasn’t really anyone’s business. What’s important is his predatory behavior towards his fans under the guise of body positivity when he was really just trying to sort through and find girls he thought were fuckable and the fact that he opened himself up to receive CP even if he wasn’t actively soliciting it. If there’s no definitive way to confirm someone is over 18 you shouldn’t do it at all. Either way it’s super scummy and if any other famous person opened up a nude submissions blog it would be a huge scandal because it is not okay.
No. 928246
>>928244Yes, I haven't refuted any of that. But Heidi also claims that she asked that it end and they didn't stop. Which has not be substantiated.
Which means your positive claim that they cheated does not have positive proof. As you said, nobody here doubts that Jared tried to end the marriage in October. Which means there's a very good chance he didn't feel he was cheating.
And if you're so unconcerned with the cheating, why the fuck do you go so hard against Holly?
You don't make sense.
Since she's so certain they continued the relationship, she should have something to show how she's certain.
You're trusting the word of someone who is at best an unreliable narrator.
As for the blogs (2 of them, by the way, where the fuck do people get 7 from?):
The only parts of that that are shitty is that children interacted with it, and that Jared took advantage of his notoriety. But that's Tumblr's problem and a mistake, respectively.
There's a reason Tumblr shut down NSFW stuff, and it's because they as a company didn't do their due diligence to keep children away.
By interacting with a public NSFW space as an adult online you assume that the provider is doing the labor of keeping it legal since they allow that content in their content policy.
To expect someone to do more than that is silly.
No. 928254
>>928246Okay, we get it pj2 stan since it’s so obvious when one of you posts here. You’re so quick to defend the shitty actions of shitty people.
I’m going hard on both Jared and Hoelly because it’s justified. She knew exactly what she was doing and that it was cheating. She’s just so desperate to not be called a mistress when that’s exactly what she is and all she’ll ever be. The thrill of the affair is gone and now they don’t have their d&d show to publicly display their roleplay kink. If Jared cheated with her, he will cheat on her.
And judging by the fact that you’re so confident about the amount of porn blogs Jared ran shows that you’re a stan or a pick me. Jared having the blogs at all was predatory. He could have just done it anonymously but he attached his name to it because he wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much interaction had he not used his fame.
People sent nudes because they wanted attention from their fave. No one should have to feel like they need to show their naked body to an internet famous person just for acknowledgment.
I wouldn’t fault him if he just got sent nudes randomly but he openly encouraged it and set up a space for that. He absolutely was preying on his fans and he was rightfully called out for it.
No. 928262
>>928254You'll literally stop at nothing to justify being shitty, huh? I just stated how you can't possibly know that it was even cheating, so you can't possibly know they "knew it was cheating". But please, act high and mighty as if you're not just a blind white knight for an unstable woman.
I'm confident in the number of porn blogs because I have followed what was posted here. Not my fault you have trouble counting to two.
Yup, he deserved to be called out. He was called out. He apologized. Somehow you're still stuck on the calling out part.
>>928255I know for a fact that the company that owns/runs the servers that host a website are responsible for the content that is allowed on that website as well as the people who are allowed to view that content.
I can assume that since you don't harp on about the fact that it was NSFW content at all that you have at some point in your life consumed such content online.
Did you make sure everyone involved in the content you consumed was of age and participating of their own will?
No?
Well there you fucking go, you understand now why the onus isn't on the user.
No. 928266
>>928262Being 100% certain of the age of his fans is on him. Full stop. If he couldn't be 100% sure they weren't minors, then he shouldn't have done it. A half-assed "are you 18+" is the bare minimum and not defensible. He doesn't get a pass because of three words.
And that's not even getting into his blatant abuse of power, underage fans or not.
No. 928268
>>928266No, he asked "are you 18+" on a website which was age gated and labeled as 18+.
But please, if you're so concerned about this, go browse reddit's /gonewild section and do us all a favor and make absolutely certain all of those people posting there are 18+. Godspeed.
No. 928272
>>928262Wow you’re going really hard to defend wormdick and cumrag, huh?
Look at you, the all mighty all knowing pj2 stan.
Once again going off and making a lot of assumptions here.
There’s no point in having this same argument. Everyone here apart from the Jared stan trolls like you has the common sense to realize that Jared and his mistress are shitty people.
Jared abused his power as well as cheated on and gaslighted his wife. Hoelly pushes an abuse narrative to Jared all because Heidi said she couldn’t fuck her husband. She’s known for being manipulative and threatening suicide when she doesn’t get her way. She uses her mental health as a cop out to do whatever she wants.
No. 928273
>>928262Your argument falls flat though. Underage people in porn is illegal, full stop. Okay? we all agree. Someone creating porn content using under 18 persons with the lie that they are 18+, is a perpetrator. Because they are lying about the content they are giving out; the content being assumed legal. They are manufacturing, distributing and profiting off the body of a minor and therefore performing an illegal activity.
Say anon searches for porn on the nightly, but they are not specifically looking for porn of minors. If they happen to stumble on such a video where it is presented as legal while it's not, then it's not on anon's shoulders.
If a person INVITES, not just distributes, but INVITES people to share in 18+ content then PERSON has to make sure the trades are legal. When you ask for content, it is YOUR responsibility to make sure your content is legal and safe.
If a person KNOWINGLY has a fanbase that is hugely full of minors on the internet, then person SHOULD MAKE DOUBLE CERTAIN the content they are ASKING FOR is legal.
If a person CANNOT CONTROL the legitimacy of said legality, then person SHOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR 18+ CONTENT.
No. 928275
>>928273"Come to this 18+ only site if you're 18+ and want to share"
Verification #1
"I certify that I am of legal age"
Verification #2
"Real quick, you're 18+ right?"
Verification #3
Triple certain.
By your standard there is no place on the internet that has legally verified ages beyond maybe places that host only the stuff they produce in house.
No. 928282
>>928280I'm not finding ever possible way to absolve him.
YOU are finding every possible way to condemn him and I'm telling you your condemnations don't make sense.
No. 928285
>>928283agreed anon, he could have made a pornhub account and used that, or even fetlife. He could have used a strictly 18+ website, where if teenagers lied about it, would be held to much stricter standards than fucking tumblr, the kingdom of underage people.
and yet all his dick wanted was content from fans; as if regular old free content on the internet isn't enough. He needs his actual fans to send them their bodies and pictures so he can get validated; it's yuck
No. 928288
>>928283Not everyone has some unexplained vendetta to fulfill like you anons. Dude made mistakes, did stupid, shitty things. But that in and of itself doesn't make him a "sleazy predatory fuck".
If he were to do it again, then it's evident he's sleazy and predatory. But not realizing the full implications of his actions doesn't make him anything but stupid.
Ya'll could learn from his example and start thinking about the full implications of your actions.
No. 928289
>>928286There's no reasoning with ME?
That's rich from you folks.
No. 928292
>>928290Do you?
Have you?
This thread has been kept alive for 9 months now for what?
No. 928293
>>928268reddit doesn't host the images on its website and the location of its servers affects the legalities of end users sharing photos
pedojared is an individual living in the US where the laws are explicitly defined re: possession of child porn
literally comparing apples to oranges anon
No. 928294
>>928293Was he shown to be in possession? Then you have a case, anon. Otherwise "receiving child pornography" is not a crime.
And Reddit does have image hosting. But you wouldn't go and parrot outdated or unconfirmed information, right?
No. 928301
>>928296Damn, this sealions so dumb. There are multiple anons in this thread, lmao!!
I dont even know who this dude is, but I now think he is a pedo, because of your behavior.
No. 928309
>>928303Same anon.
They're so transparent at this point. Just let them walk in, throw their weekly tantrums & leave.
No. 928333
>>927399"Actually I was BULLIED into saying I would give my proceeds to an anti-bullying charity" – Holly Conrad
Just the absurdity of that statement alone is incredible. Because everyone who is rightfully disgusted with her behaviour is a bully, obviously!
No. 928345
>>928186
>"when people told her to stop being self-deprecating and look for self-harm she explained that she can't because this is her mental health illness."Having a mental illness is fine - Using it to get away with being an asshole and saying harmful things? Not fine. You can, in fact, be an asshole and have a mental illness too.
>>928236
>"so you're trying to say a person in a polyamorous relationship being flirty with someone else but not doing anything actually sexual is inappropriate?"Yes, motherfucker, exactly. Being poly isn't a license to flirt, kiss, fuck, etc. with whomever you want. It still requires the express and on-going consent of both primary partners (in this case, Jared AND Heidi, not just one or the other).
>"This theoretically meets the requirements of a healthy poly relationship."If you think ANY of this indicates a healthy poly relationship, please do the world a favor and never enter into one.
>>928254
>"He could have just done it anonymously but he attached his name to it because he wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much interaction had he not used his fame."Bingo. If it was really about body positivity like he and the stans claim, he could have done body positivity without attaching his "sinjared" persona to it.
No. 928347
>>928255
>"Tumblr shut down"They're not shut down. Jared's blogs shut down when it turned catastrophic and realized that it was biting him in the ass - The website itself is still alive and mostly well.
>>928262
>"he deserved to be called out. He was called out. He apologized. Somehow you're still stuck on the calling out part."I'm sorry, I was unaware that apologizing for abusing the trust of vulnerable fans so you could get wank fodder somehow made all of it okay.
>>928268
>"Age gated and labeled as 18+"And minors lie, especially when it means they stand the chance at one-on-one interaction with their favorite e-celeb. The onus is STILL on the adult to ensure that they are only exchanging nudes with other adults, full goddamned stop.
>>928271
>"committed a felony by posting child pornography. I'm glad we agree they are shit kids."The kids fucked up - true enough - but the way you are shifting the blame onto the minors rather than the whole-ass adult who should've known better is just….
Keep moving those goalposts so you can defend a predator, Anon.
>>928288
>"Dude made mistakes, did stupid, shitty things. But that in and of itself doesn't make him a "sleazy predatory fuck"."A grown man running NUMEROUS porn blogs, slapping his name on them as a means of coercing fans to feel more comfortable or at ease while sending in naked photos of themselves? That is predatory as fuck.
>"If he were to do it again, then it's evident he's sleazy and predatory"He ran SEVEN porn blogs. How many does it take before he qualifies as sleazy??
No. 928358
>>927401>stop stalking people's likesNot really the same, but how does she keep finding these tweets about her where she's not even tagged
Its a lot easier/less obsessive to click a single person's likes to see if they're still up to their usual shenanigans of demonizing someone, than search for multiple names and read through every tweet people make about them. all day long.
No. 928432
>>928410Tumblr doesn't ask for your age when signing up. Or at least it didn't when I made an account.
So marking it as nsfw only blocked out people who set their shit to hide nsfw blogs. Plenty of minors were engaged with nsfw blogs on there and Jared's was one of them, obviously
No. 928454
>>928453dude, someone discussing having a gangbang with people and then saying "i'm just a baby" is a totally different fucking context.
Quite a lot of people mentioned that he was blocking and banning people and clearing photos if there were reports people lied about their ages. And at some point he wasn't chatting with anyone below 24 years old on his snapchat too. That's totally what a pedophile would do, right?
No. 928462
>>928438That & his fans keep spamming ss of his YT stats (which were taken from a year when he was the
least active on YT & took a dip in popularity)
No. 928463
>>928451If you
really want to know where all these 'bad arguments' come from, just look at the previous threads on this subject.
If you're just here to make noise, then idk what else to say.
No. 928468
>>928454>24 year olds on his snapOh yeah, I'm soooo sure everyone on his snap was totes 24
And it's pretty telling that later it became 21…then 18
As he aged his age restrictions lowered
No. 928479
>>928471It's a cop out anyway, because: 1. she's a public figure; if she doesn't like that, she can give up all the benefits of being an e-celebrity and go work as a nobody at an office. 2. being able to see someone else's likes has been a feature of the website since basically its inception; it's not like someone hacked her account or is spying outside her house with a pair of binoculars. It's literally a feature of the website.
Basically it's just yet another example of Holly's modus operandi where she does something does something extremely public and then acts like she's a
victim when people remark on it. Tons of artists keep private accounts separate from their art accounts for this very reason, but Holly can't do this because she makes money off the controversy.
No. 928487
>>928479
>"Go work as a nobody at an office"She wielded the threat of "I'd have to go back to being a barista!" to get sympathy from her stans a few months back (Because the drama apparently halved her income)
>"it's not like someone hacked her account or is spying outside her house"I still remember when an anon was in the thread a few months back, happened to work at a Starbucks that Holly went to, said as much, and Holly flipped the fuck out, like the anon purposely stalked her and released her location or some shit.
>"Basically it's just yet another example of Holly's modus operandi where she does something does something extremely public and then acts like she's a victim"Like when she and Jared went on a public outing together in Vegas (I think it was Gordon Ramsey's restaurant) and freaked out when one of the other people there pointed out who they were.
No. 928496
>>928479"Basically it's just yet another example of Holly's modus operandi where she… acts like she's a
victim."
You could crop this and it would still work.
No. 928515
>>928514Nobody is arguing that it's okay. The point is that Jared is still responsible for his own actions, which includes soliciting fans for wank material and doing the bare minimum on age verification. His actions led into him beating off to underage individuals, which he hasn't expressed remorse for, by the way. Glad to know you're okay with this.
His entire video was a big "here is why I'm not responsible for my own actions" screed. Perfect as Holly's partner. Both of them love being the
victim of circumstances they create.
No. 928521
>>928516Are you implying you have to be a man to enjoy or advocate for porn, anon?
Even Heidi says it wasn't about the porn, it was about the power he had.
No. 928524
>>928522Oh, I'm sorry. Could you point me to where Jared says "I am deeply ashamed for the harm I have caused and for how I used my position to take advantage of my fanbase."
You know, without then spending the next ten to twenty minutes blaming the
victims? Claiming a
victim's memory issues are suspicious, but then proceeding to use "not remembering something" as a main defense for himself?
No. 928533
>>928514Talk about cognitive dissonance. You're pretending you're just a 'rational, neutral' third party who wants to 'state facts', but your arguments all imply otherwise.
The reason why it's different, is because porn is an industry where sex is the selling point. Porn stars sell sex, and their fans knowingly engage with them in that capacity. Everything is transparent and upfront.
Jared's blogs were presenting themselves "body positive" spaces, which then morphed into sexting and having sex with the parts of his younger audience that he found attractive. They thought they were signing up for a relationship with their favorite e-celebrity where he helps them feel better about themselves… and instead, they wound up being used as pornographic material for him. There are numerous anecdotes of people who thought they were going to get to chat with him about creating web videos, and instead got pressured to send nudes and were sent pictures of his dick.
They didn't put their photos out there with the intent of being used as porn. They sent their photos to Jared in order to win his approval and affection. They didn't originally realize that their photos were going to be used as fap material for a 35 year old man they looked up to.
Additionally, pornstars are paid for their services. They're providing a service to the public with clearly established boundaries and rules. These kids weren't being paid… they were being exploited by someone older and more experienced in life than them.
So comparing Jared's nude blogs to a porn website is just bad logic. They're not the same at all, and you know it. Stop pretending otherwise.
No. 928540
>>928537I can't believe people here fall for the same wk tactics every time. It turns into the exact. same. conversation. every. time. Nothing new, nothing really of interest. Just fucking ignore the fools when they try to stir up shit in the name of the almighty H&J.
Any updates on Danny's attempts on damage control? Did the deal with the texts ever turn into anything more or is that event just going to disappear into the void?
No. 928541
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you won't be missed
No. 928542
>>928541This is definitely the person who should be handing out mental health advice on the regular. Just….the need for adulation and comfort is staggering.
What's wrong, Holly? Your efforts to win over lolcow not working?
No. 928559
Imagine using the argument that some bartenders didn't check the IDs of minors, so it's perfectly fine for all bartenders to stop IDing teenagers.
Any porn director worth their salt documents or takes photographs of actors with their IDs before filming (yes, even 'amateur' shoots which are basically just a lower quality camera and an unknown actress.)
> To enforce the age entry restriction, all adult industry production companies are required to have a Custodian of Records that documents and holds records of the ages of all performers.
A director not doing so is just as stupid as Jared is and are asking for just as much legal trouble if their only way of verifying an actors age is saying "Hey real quick sweetie before I fist you, you're 18+ right?" "Ya totally lol"
This does not apply to websites such as Reddit, Facebook, YouTube, etc. Safe harbor statutes protect these sites from being affected by the actions of their users, otherwise those sites simply wouldn't be able to run. That's why when a video is copyright claimed on YouTube, the claim affects the creator of the video, not YouTube as a company.
So, Tumblr is not responsible for what Jared (their user) and the minors (other users) are using their website for.
However, Jared is responsible for his direct commissioning of nude images from minors without proper vetting. Just as a porn director would be responsible for filming pornography of a minor without proper vetting.
Also comparing it to the lousy age-verification one must bypass to access pornography is disingenuous. That is to prevent minors from SEEING pornographic images.
That's not the same as someone directly contacting the minor for sexual conversations and requesting nude images of said minor.
No. 928720
>>928715Seems more likely that he was just waiting for the drama to die down before pulling that
trigger.
Between this and her deleting all her old videos with him, it's very obvious they did not split on good terms.
Tinfoil but I wonder if something new happened, like a bad phone call or something. We'll probably never know.
No. 928721
>>928720can you mute someone while still following them on twitter? I would bet that's what Ross would have done, at least at first. Imagine being her ex husband and having to read all those months of batshit insane tweets and also advertising ProPedo
according to does follow, ross stopped following her on 28th December 2019 (I can't vouch for the website's accuracy). Anyone else with it feel free to try and see if you get the same result
No. 928725
>>928721Yes, you can mute someone's tweets without unfollowing them. Lots of creators do it to avoid making their disagreements into public drama.
Can you look and see when the rest of them unfollowed each other? Might give more clues
No. 928726
>>928725according to the website:
ross unfollowed holly 28th december 2019
holly unfollowed ross 20th may 2019
projared unfollowed ross "since before today" (so I guess that means he.. never followed him? it usually says vague statements when it doesn't have conclusive evidence to give you an exact date)
egoraptor (arin) unfollowed holly on 5th may 2019
mort3mer (suzy) unfollowed holly on 13th may 2019
holly unfollowed suzy & arin on 21st may 2019
this is what I have so far, can't remember anyone else to search
No. 928742
>>928726
>egoraptor (arin) unfollowed holly on 5th may 2019…wow, that was
before the drama came out. Wonder if he knew something…
>projared unfollowed ross "since before today" (so I guess that means he.. never followed him?)…B-but anon! They were soooo close because Ross
flew out to visit Jared & give him his blessing to fuck his wife!
/s
No. 928743
>>928742same anon, I decided to do it again to double-check,
it says that ross unfollowed projared "since before" 3rd april 2019 (the website's words, not mine)
and projared unfollowed rubberninja today, says "changed on: 2020-02-06" to be precise
I don't know if the website tracks until a certain point, like if it's past 6 months it just says "since before" approximate date, or what
No. 928745
>>928726
>holly unfollowed ross 20th may 2019Wow.
Right before she wrote the
first string embarrassing & incriminating tweets.
No. 928746
>>928743Why would it change today? Was he somehow following Ross and stopped after it was posted on lolcow?
What about Heidi with anyone?
No. 928749
>>928746projared stopped following heidi on 9th may 2019 (I wonder if he unfollowed her before he blocked her?)
(according to website) heidi unfollowed projared on 24th april 2019
heidi unfollowed holly on 10th may 2019
holly had unfollowed heidi "since before" 9th may 2019
heidi unfollowed ross on 28th december 2019 (hmmm that's also when ross apparently unfollowed holly)
ross unfollowed her "since before" 9th may 2019
"since before may 9th" seems to be a common answer, so I think this is a contextual date as past a certain point it can't find this information (tried to find suzy following heidi and vice versa)
btw this is all public info, if you google "does follow" it brings you to the website where you authorize your twitter account and then you can use it for whichever username. It won't post what you search for. If any anon gets a sudden idea on searching for something and such
Seeing as Heidi had posted on her private fb about the cheating I wonder if certain people had gone ahead and acted earlier than the drama unfolded? like arin etc. I just don't remember anymore when all this happened
No. 928753
>>928752you misunderstand anon; he blocked her before the announcement, but it doesn't mean he couldn't have unfollowed her prior to the announcement being made, and actually blocked her later. You can block a profile even if you've never seen it before until that second
it's not like anyone was actually watching what jared and heidi were doing before the divorce tweet anyway
No. 928758
>>928756idk either, as I said anyone's welcome to check as well.
"since before may 9th" as I said seems to be a guesstimation date, but it does check out if they got blocked around those days.
/shrug I don't know how accurate the site is, but it does give interesting dates regardless.
No. 928766
>>928726>>928749So approximately (repost to edit in important dates):
Sept 19: Holly and Ross announce divorce
> Apr 03: Ross unfollows JaredApr 04: E-mail is sent to NormalBoots regarding Jared's nudes blog / soliciting minors
Apr 05: All videos on Game Grumps featuring Jared are taken down
> Apr 24: Heidi unfollows Jared> May 05: Arin unfollows HollyMay 07: Heidi makes her Facebook post regarding Jared
May 08: Jared makes divorce tweet, Heidi posts a counter statement, Charlie releases first statement, NormalBoots drops Jared, Holly checks herself into a hospital
> May 09: Jared, Holly, and Ross unfollow Heidi> May 10: Heidi unfollows Holly> May 13: Suzy unfollows HollyMay 20: Holly releases first statement
> May 20: Holly unfollows Ross> May 21: Holly unfollows Arin and Suzy> Dec 28: Ross unfollows Holly, Heidi unfollows Ross> Feb 06: Jared unfollows Ross No. 928770
>>928559Wow, an actual response. Thanks anon!
Unfortunately you seem to have forgotten that safe harbor laws apply to individuals. If such a case were to be brought to court they would have to apply a 'reasonable person' judgment on whether or not someone should have known the minor was under aged.
"Should have known better" is ill defined and would not meet the reasonable person standard.
No. 928963
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I doubt Ross is doing this to spite Holly, but I am still loving it.
No. 929015
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Yikes she looks 80. I know it's been said a million times, but the scandal realllly aged her
No. 929044
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I just can't get over on how stupid and hypocritical she sounds every single time she tries to be the bigger person.
No. 929045
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>>929044Her last tweet on the thread.
No. 929062
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>>929044This is weird to me, because I re-read some of her tweets from last year and was thinking about how the rhetoric sounded eerily like something Trump would write.
Continuing to insist that she's done nothing wrong in the hopes that people will eventually believe her if she says it enough.
A recollection of events that is obviously exaggerated to fit a specific narrative.
Reducing a complex situation to something very back and white, while simultaneously painting Heidi as a cartoon villain (similar to Trump's Crooked Hillary stuff)
The weird capitalization of certain words for emphasis
Childlike tantrums on social media when things aren't going her way
The obvious lack of consult with a PR team before posting her thoughts on social media
Granted, she's not the president and it's her personal twitter, so maybe she's not held to the same standards. But they both seem to lack two things: empathy for people who've experienced things they haven't and connection to reality
No. 929102
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>>927671Kati and Holly actually made up publicly on Instagram because of the play drama. Here's a pic of Kati wearing one of Holly's teeshirts from December.
>>928555 Exactly. Unless someone digs up real dirt, the story has died, except in places like rantgrumps. Because the controversy didn't spread, people thought Dan's 'I love my girlfriend SO MUCH' posts were just run of the mill entries.
>>928541And for some reason Holly suddenly wants to be Lydia Deetz.
No. 929105
>>929044>>929045The fact that she never acknowledges her own failures and shortcomings in these areas while preaching about the topics is what makes them so shallow and two-faced. It's not even about "letting the bullies win" or whatever roundabout justification she might come up with for not doing it, it's just flat out preachy and disingenuous to constantly talk about other people's behavior but never your own.
Someone with a healthy mindset would use examples from their own life and their own actions to demonstrate why it's wrong, and wouldn't be worried about whether or not that gives a bunch of nolife drama addicts something to gossip about for a few days. It's just pathetic, and insulting to anyone with a decent grasp of humility and empathy.
No. 929124
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>>929015Not sure if Heidi is doing so well in that department either.
Compare to how slim and toned she was in 2016 to now in 2020.
No. 929135
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>>929124Heidi looking absolutely obese two months ago.
No. 929136
>>929124 you can’t judge her body based off of these two pictures. One is in skintight cosplay and the other is in a loose flowing top. Doesn’t mean she’s let herself go or even gained weight.
At least she doesn’t have a grandma face like hoelly. When she’s not face tuning her selfies to death you can really see how moon faced she is along with the wrinkles at the sides of her mouth.
No. 929137
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>>914132>>929124Image from a recent stream (so no one can cry 'edited') She still looks good.
No. 929145
>>929137Heidi always looks great.
I will say this about Holly–she has a pretty good body, or at least she used to. But her face situation is fucking tragic. She only looks passable with a lot of editing and facetuning. Candids of her make her look like a melting goblin.
No. 929170
>>929044The lack of self-awareness here is astounding. The article says "Our research shows that those who have experienced bullying are twice as likely to go on and bully others" and references stress, low self esteem, and family problems as
triggers. All things Holly has used as excuses for her behavior in the past, but as soon as you call her on it she gets defensive. She NEVER bullies anyone ever, she's always the
victim uwu. Apparently hurt people hurt people, unless they're Holly Conrad.
No. 929259
>>929251Pretty much. The only time he ever shows his head in relation to her is when it's about his own scandal. He posed for the "Cancelled" shirt and left a tweet in a thread of hers after someone came after Jared in the comments, but outside of his stream, she's a non-person.
Apparently part of the reason that she admitted herself into a mental ward and was so erratic around that time is because Jared was stonewalling her, just like Heidi said he would do to her.
You'd think Holly would, idk, reflect on this, but she's apparently tied her entire identity to this man.
No. 929274
>>929259It seems like during his affair with Holly that he would treat her just as bad as Heidi, like ignoring her for days and sending non-responses. Heidi even confirmed this during her tell-all stream: it's not like he was romantic and sweet to holly (just strix)
Heidi also said that holly would blame this behavior on Heidi, sending jared things like "I know you're ignoring me because of her". Literally being treated the same way she encouraged him to treat Heidi.
Well Heidi is out of the picture now, Holly, and he still treats you like this. Is it still big bad Heidi's fault? Or is it the cancellation? Surely it cant be because he is shit and doesnt care about you past his RP fantasy of your annoying witch OC, right? You two are made for each other, after all! Hell, where was he in High School?
Wake up, Clownrad.
No. 929283
>>929279TBH as someone who was a DCA fan, Striath was an awful ship lmao. I remember how it suddenly went from Strix being Ace and her and Diath being like siblings to them having a romance and being like, fucking what? Their relationship felt so forced, not to mention the whole melodrama of "they are in love but if they pursue it the world will end!!!" Nonsense. Any other former DCA fans here remember the sudden turn?
Now EvelynXPaultin? That's some good shit
No. 929284
>>929279Heidi never mentioned this when the drama first came out.
Wonder why, maybe she forgot about it until recently?
No. 929285
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>>929279Except she never mentioned her relationships with other men during that stream.
Not relevant?
Heidi's external relationships are going to have an effect on Jared's emotions and actions, specifically ones with other women and Holly.
I believe it was Jared's idea to start therapy in February'18. I think both of them were desperately trying to make it work, maybe Heidi moreso than Jared if you take her word for it.
But alas, that ship has sailed.
No. 929295
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>>929283I remember her asexual nonsense with Strix and DCA. Here's a few of her posts talking about it from her now deleted reddit account. I also remember her saying how she wanted Strix to be a representative for the ace community (this was when Holly was larping as ace for internet points). As a fan at the time, I was kind of shocked when Holly shit all over the ace community by jumping head first into a romance plotline. I tried expressing my unhappiness about that but apparently holding Holly accountable for the fact that her actions contradicted her words is mean and bullying.
No. 929304
>>929295Right!!! At the time I remember being bothered by the fact that Holly suddenly was having strix romance Diath, and I also remember getting shit for expressing that in the fandom. God forbid I didnt like that an Ace character was suddenly pursing her brother figure, fuck me, right?
Now, retrospectively its fucking hilarious. Of course she and jared couldn't be subtle with their affair and HAD to flaunt it on DCA. Bet it felt good having thousands ship you and your married side piece, helps the guilt when you're a fandoms OTP.
Also, good Ace advocacy here Holly, real 10/10. Way to perpetuate the idea that Ace people aren't really Ace and just need to find the right person.
No. 929311
>>929045Says the former reality TV star.
Honestly I'm amazed she didnt turn the thread into "For example, ME! I've been sooo boolied uwu"
I am torn between thinking she is full of shit and is only saying this to appear above it all and wholesome UwU when we all damn well know all the awful shit she did to Heidi and the shit talk she was slinging around behind her back to their mutual friends OR if she is so fucking narcissistic and delusional that she truly believes she has never been a "bully" or done wrong
I hate saying this because I agree with her sentiment but the fact that she is the one saying it takes away all good intentions behind it. And that's how she gets us. She says a very basic, very generic "kind is good, bully is bad" message that most people would agree with then demonizes us for pointing out the hypocrisy of her saying it
No. 929319
>>929304
> Also, good Ace advocacy here Holly, real 10/10. Way to perpetuate the idea that Ace people aren't really Ace and just need to find the right person.Right? Oh my god, it's so offensive and insensitive. There's little to no Ace representation in media as it is, and now Holly's character just reinforces a form of discrimination that Ace face on a regular basis.
It's a fictional character, Holly; you could have kept your private life private rather than undermining Ace representation because you can't differentiate reality from fantasy. What's next, a lesbian character who finds out they're actually straight but just never had good dick before?
No. 929332
>>929319Maybe she just thinks all ace people need to "find their own Jared"
Or find her jared, he'd be down
No. 929346
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Also, I noticed that some of Holly's old posts about DCA were almost prophetic in retrospect.
No. 929347
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>>929344Exactly. And they've always treated the ace community as a joke
No. 929367
>>929347 Goddamn I hate this. Being ace does NOT equal being dead inside, you frigid old hag.
Take your prodick away and leave the rest of humanity alone
No. 929380
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>>929346Heidi shipped it too
>>929365Still. From the start Heidi has ommitted information that makes the general public less sympathetic towards her. That isn't to say Jared&Holly aren't guilty of the same thing because they definitely are. Hell, Holly removed all the videos with Ross which is a huge red flag while Heidi has kept up hers with Jared so eh.
EDIT: Which in case she spergs out like Holly, I have saved the videos on Heidi's channel with Jared.
Though nothing too interesting with them. And there is like a 2hr stream of them together painting the leather belts, I only grabbed the part where they discuss how they got married in 2014.
No. 929384
>>929373Imagine if someone equivocated lesbianism with daddy issues, and the amount of dogpiling that person would receive. People were fooled by her uwu tumblrina shtick.
>>929380Ofc it's perceived differently now because they were actually fucking, but I can totally see the innocent humor in making this kind of joke when you DON'T suspect your husband cheating on you with your BFF because of a fictional narrative in a make-believe game.
No. 929404
>>929380This just for a fits into the narrative of Heidi trying to be the "cool" wife, plus this was before Holly and Jared started being crazy inappropriate so it's a funny joke between friends.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jared was trying to lube Holly up for months with flirting and compliments and eventually broke her down into starting something up with him. Typical male feminist behavior and Holly was too retarded to recognize it for while. We know he tried it with other girls and they no rebuffed him but considering Holly has such a complex about pretty girls this was probably more about being chosen over a conventionally attractive woman and less about Jared.
No. 929427
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>>929347So many of Holly's tweets have aged horribly lol
No. 929445
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https://twitter.com/GameGrumps/status/1225929184280633345?s=19Arin died his hair again
Must be related to them trying to promote that bombshell Soviet game.
No. 929545
>>915451>>915456>>920866>>921644>>921853>>925075>>929380If you're going to samefag this hard, please try and make it less obvious.
It's very tiring watching you post, get refuted by other anons, and disappear only to pop up with the exact same stale takes again and again.
Inb4 samefag comes back with another "If only Holly hadn't ruined the dream marriage that was Heidi and Jared, they could've had 16 kids by now! Actually wait nevermind, Heidi was horrible to Jared, and fucks every black Link she sees at DragonCon. Here's a picture I photoshopped of Heidi giving birth to me as her 10th son."
No. 929628
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Who wouldnt be terrified to have this coming at them??
No. 929671
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Why does she smear brown eyeshadow with no eyeliner/mascara all over her puffy and wrinkly eyes? ~butthole eyes aesthetic~
No. 929730
>>929715See, I don't think so. I think Jared might have agreed to a relationship, but with the caveat that it's never publicly "confirmed," in case it might cause "controversy."
Either that or they're dating, but he doesn't want to "put labels on it."
There's a 0% chance he's willing to a public, closed relationship with Holly.
No. 929762
>>929671How the fuck is this an edited shot that both she and the photographer decided to publish. HOW.
Even during a formal, professional photoshoot she can only make "intentionally ugly" faces. I imagine that when she tries to be pretty, she probably panics and starts screwing her face up on purpose to cope.
It's mostly bizarre because she is an online personality who uses images like these to promote her brand. She wants to be a mental health advocate and uwu soft baby, so shouldn't she try to look the least bit friendly? Realistically, she could look fine/normal if she was willing to try. Most people look better, more confident, and more approachable when they smile. Aggressively screaming, hunching over like a wilting flower, and goofy "I don't know how to do this" faces don't make her look like anyone worth following. They make her look like an insecure try-hard who's desperate to be told that she's great without trying, because she's clearly not willing to try.
No. 929825
>>929628It's like every time they pose for pics the DCA stans have to transfer it over to their Mary Sues…
https://twitter.com/Schnauzer89/status/1225263958245826560Totally normal and not obsessive in the slightest.
No. 929836
>>929811Gonna flop for sure. Who wants to spend their Sunday buying overpriced art, most of which isn't even the seller's
The real question is if Jared will even care enough to attend
No. 929847
>>929836>Gonna flop for sure. Who wants to spend their Sunday buying overpriced artAnon, it's SEATTLE.
>The real question is if Jared will even care enough to attendSupposedly he was at one of her previous ones.
No. 929848
>>929847Touche
I remember reading that they were super PDA at that last show, though deep down I'm sure that it was holly hanging all over him, trying to show him off. Some prize she got
No. 930009
>>929995Calling the grumps "supportive" is probably one of the most braindead things in this thread, and there's sea lions and pedo stans in here.
The grumps are clout chasers, they only care about people who have something to offer them.
No. 930010
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>>929762Her pictures remind me so much of 4chan's numale memes.
No. 930029
>>930009That's about half true. Outside of their small circle, yes they were only nice for clout and attention
But Ross has been Arin's friend since both were high school aged. So he and the rest were probably very supportive to him and his hag wife
I'm sure Dan wasn't since he doesn't seem to be close to anyone there beyond workfriends. He even stopped interacting with Barry once they stopped being roomies
No. 930062
>>930060Quit around episode 50 or so because strix was so fucking annoying. Wahhhhh I'm screaming wahhh snacks waaaahh!
Evelyn was truly the only redeeming factor, I didnt dislike paulitin either but like other anon said he was barely there
No. 930088
>>930062Ugh yes the constant screaming in her shrill muppet voice. Strix was annoying because she would run from confrontation and leave the party to die. When she did attack, she would blindly cast fireball and screw shit up for everyone. It got old real quick
Jared, while his character was bland as fuck, was the best DnD player of the group. He would think before acting, unlike the others who would rush in and end up derailing the game. The party should have died a dozen times. Chris was always helping to keep them alive because they were so awful. And then they wrapped up the main storyline but kept dragging out the show…DCA was on it's way out before Jared and Holly destroyed it
No. 930120
>>930088It was so fucking cringe how they were always "Oh no Chris Perkins tries to kill us uwu" when they were constantly acting like absolute boneheads.
Like I get that a D&D stream where everything would go according to plan would be incredibly boring but like… make characters with survival insticts at the very least!
Honestly I almost tuned out right at the start when they said "We got lost in Barovia looking for waffles hurr hurr".
I guess because Perkins is best known for DMing that herpamerpafwerp of a D&D game with Penny Arcade, they figured that's what they should be about too?
No. 930147
>>930138Not especially, Perkins put the kibosh on that with the bleak tone of the campaign. I think even he was fed up with the shit humor of Penny Arcade.
But holy fuck were they still pretty cringe as a whole.
No. 930175
>>930166There was nothing of this "forbidden Striath wuvs" in season 1, at least not by the time I quit watching.
(I stopped around the time Diath killed the little girl played by a guest)
No. 930188
>>930175A cringy part of season 1 was the time Jared tried to hit on Anna in game, but she ignored him. Anna had been flirting with Nate's character since like the first episode anyway.
Jared would have picked Anna over Holly (lets be real who wouldn't) but she was too into Nate (in DCA and real life). I think Jared settled on Holly once he realized he didn't stand a chance.
No. 930194
>>930188Interesting how Jared's self insert is a flirt and womanizer
But hes not, guys! He is loyal good man! All those fans forced themselves on him stay woke
No. 930216
>>930166>>930175>>930188Yeah, I keep seeing anons say that Holly probably pushed Striath, but I feel like Jared most likely grooved on over to Strix when it was pretty clear Eviath wasn't gonna happen.
Once he started flirting wiyh her character, Holly probably just laughed it off as him just being a typical womanizer. Then when shit got more dramatic & he cranked it up a couple notches she just gave in completely.
Which, in retrospect, makes Strix was an asexual rep
even worse, because it gives the message that ace people are just 'being tsundere' or whatever & you just need to push a
little harder to get into their pants.
It also makes Striath look predatory af;
Diath: "Hey, wanna go out?"
Strix: "Pls don't, I'm ace."
Diath: "
challenge accepted"
No. 930217
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Here's a photo of Holly at the artshow.
No. 930222
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Well Jared was there lots of pda
No. 930224
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Well Jared was there lots of pda
No. 930233
>>930222>>930224Isn't this kind of stalking? Seems creepy to go to the art show of a person you supposedly hate just to post creepy, candid pics of them on a drama forum.
Right? Isn't this kind of doxxing? Can't they just live their lives?
No. 930234
>>930226Christ, at this point it's like he's only there out of obligation…
I almost feel bad for the guy.
Almost.
No. 930237
>>930233No?
There's no location listed. It's open & in-public & she's there to present.
I think if she was just trying to do stuff privately, it'd be more inappropriate…
No. 930241
>>930237Ok, I can agree it's in public, but this Anon went there with the express purpose of being a voyeur and posting candid pictures here. That's weird.
This is devolving into stalking.
No. 930245
>>930243Plus anon's shots look just like the snap from AnnaProsser so it isn't like anon is behind a bush snapping creepshots
It's really no different than going to a con and seeing a cow
No. 930256
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thread pic plz.
No. 930262
>>929671>>929671Thread pic. Unless an artist anon wants to trace it as line art a la
>>930010Could be cute. And by cute I mean terrifying
No. 930275
>>930222All I see is Holly inevitably setting herself up to be Jared's next scapegoat:
"I don't remember saying or doing anything that implied we were in a relationship. That was
all her."
No. 930304
>>930288Nah. I'd bet money that he'll be done with her
long before she'll be able to take a hint.
I know how this shit plays out; He's either going to just keep stringing her along, then just up & leave her one day without warning, or he's going to tell her point-blank that this isn't what he wants, & he needs a fresh start away from it all, & she'll keep telling herself & the public that it isn't true & that they're totally still 100% together, until he shows up with someone else & will tell her to fuck off for the last time.
Regardless, this ain't gonna end well.
No. 930367
>>930166Seconding this request. A Striath cringe synopsis would be fun.
>>930217Topkek, thank you based anon!
>>930227>your [sic] rarely see guys all over their girl in the same mannerDefinitely not going to infight over this one, but it's becoming unironically hilarious to see supposed social norms being thrown around in these threads. Is it anons that can't think outside of their own experience,
or lazy Holly stans?
>>930233Doxxing, obviously not. Stalking, obviously not. This was either advertised to the general public, or else artanon was invited. Taking photos of niche celebrities at events they're publicly associated with is benign.
>>928541Thread pic nom
>>929671Runner-up
>>930275>>930288>>930305All of these tbh
No. 930402
>>929671Thread pic nom for butthole eyes
>>930222I love that you posted these Anon because it will piss Holly off and lead to future streams about evil lolcow and how this is totally-for-real the last time she's checking her thread. I'm hoping she sobers up enough for today's mental health lecture to rant about lolcow bullies. She's been basically comatose for the last two MHM, yawning every sentence while chewing on her hair before cutting the stream short
No. 930435
>>930429The one from three weeks ago was fun. Lots of ranting against lolcow and internet meanies. She told us she wanted to write a book/make youtube videos on why bulling is bad (please do this Holly).
The latest two MHM streams were legit hard to watch. Her hair tic was constant, she was half asleep and mentioned pot makes her tired. She said she was unhappy. I don't know why you would broadcast yourself to the internet in that state, but regardless of how depressing her streams are, she still has a small, hardcore group of fans that show up to every stream to donate.
No. 930448
>>930435Does she actually talk about bigger mental health concepts or does she just get high and whine about her own problems? Is it actually helping anyone?
How many people actually watch something like that?
No. 930494
>>930437Around an hour and a half, but lately she's been cutting them short because she's "busy with her art show"
>>930448Everything relates back to her own issues and internet meanies. She puts up a feelings wheel at the beginning of the stream and everyone picks an emotion to describe how they're feeling from the wheel. Sometimes she'll read passages from generic self help books about bullying or cancel culture. She talked about contrapoints video on canceling (of course).
Holly says her mental health issues are "wanting to help everyone and wanting to make everyone happy". She says this with no trace of irony. Her chat will post about their own mental health problems and Holly will comment on them. Her and her fans mostly use the streams to complain so no, her streams are not helpful.
Her views are okay, not great. Nowhere near enough to support her lifestyle. She's STILL bleeding subs and will have trouble attracting new viewers with her reputation and how much trouble she has sticking to a streaming schedule. Also she's really boring.
>>930449>>930488She was high as fuck in her last stream, to the point she had to cut the stream short. She's mentioned smoking multiple times now. She was nervous about the art show and is probably smoking as a way to deal with the anxiety and to be "creative" to make art
No. 930520
>>930494
> Everything relates back to her own issues and internet meanies. She puts up a feelings wheel at the beginning of the stream and everyone picks an emotion to describe how they're feeling from the wheel. Sometimes she'll read passages from generic self help books about bullying or cancel culture. She talked about contrapoints video on canceling (of course).
> Holly says her mental health issues are "wanting to help everyone and wanting to make everyone happy". She says this with no trace of irony. Her chat will post about their own mental health problems and Holly will comment on them. Her and her fans mostly use the streams to complain so no, her streams are not helpful.She has absolutely no business hosting a "mental health" anything. This kind of stream sounds so dangerous to people suffering from mental illness or going through a crisis. What makes it worse is that some of these people are, for certain, isolated, and in desperate need of contact with a mental health professional.
Hearing about how she conducts her stream makes me genuinely angry; it's just so irresponsible, and these pity parties that don't use CBT to reframe issues and focus on solutions just lead to even worse outcomes for people struggling.
Jesus christ, Holly, go see a fucking qualified psychologist on a weekly basis and stop using media, your fans, and drugs as a bandaid to cope with your problems. And stop hosting these irresponsible, makeshift "support groups" when you lack any and all credentials and have absolutely no idea what potential harm you could be causing to people who need expert help.
No. 930530
>>929997I always thought of it as a d-tier Critical Roll rip-off. If you think of streamed D&D games, you're going to think of them before DCA
>>930029The sad thing is that Ross used to call Dan his brother. Now they barely seem to talk. Same for him and Barry.
No. 930548
>>930494Yeah, I thought "there's no way she would be high during a stream", but then she kept putting her headphones on even when she said she didn't need them, and she spent like 3 minutes picking cat hair out of her art project and then forgot what she was talking about. She was also rambling a lot in a nonsensical way. Mostly she kept talking about journals, stickers, and gel pens. Nothing particularly interesting or substantial.
She also blames the internet shaming her for her procrastination on the art show. But then she talks about how she's had issues with procrastination going way back to her cosplay days.
No. 930554
>>930494
>Holly says her mental health issues are "wanting to help everyone and wanting to make everyone happy". She says this with no trace of irony.I guess this is her way of saying, "wanting to make sure absolutely everyone likes me and agrees with me" because her behavior is never focused on anyone but herself. She's framed it in a way that makes her seem selfless, but in reality she acts like she knows what's best for everyone (Jared, Heidi) and anybody who disagrees is an obstacle to be removed.
We've seen her intense need to control the opinions of those around her, screeching about who is
abusive (spoiler: anyone who disagrees with her) and acting like she's a major authority on abuse when her own actions show her as demanding, controlling, and threatening to get what she wants from others. I mean "making them happy" lol
No. 930561
>>930494Not surprising, she and Ross seemed to be well known within their circle for being potheads. Looks like she's leaning on it more heavily these days.
>>930507 How many people were there?
No. 930579
>>930507Don't feel bad for giving milk and candids anon, the whiteknights have been a problem since last May. Pay no attention to them.
>>930530>d-tier Critical Roll rip-offIt pretty much was and felt that way.
>>930548If the dumb cunt would take a break from social media like people have been suggesting since Summer, she wouldn't have been procrastinating. But googling her name and lurking on here and kiwi are clearly more important than her "art show".
No. 930580
>>930561Welp, now I know
one reason why Jared hasn't left her - she's got that
good herb.
No. 930589
>>930580If she's still as neurotic as she is on that
good herb, she's either lying about being high or she's like those 13 year olds who sniff sharpies and then are convinced that they're high as fuck.
>>930585Considering she was once charging $30-50 for her shittily handdrawn mushrooms and with them being no bigger than they were, I'd hate to think how much she charged for larger pieces.
No. 930802
>>930779Scarletmoth did reveal SOME stuff to the petition guy, just not all because Holly asked her not to. Not sure if she mentioned drugs in that first info dump.
And holly and ross both used to talk about pot online. Hell, Ross even talks about it in the latest supermega podcast. Its not insider info by any stretch
No. 930808
>>930520This. I'm surprised there aren't any big commentary YouTubers calling her out for posturing as a mental health guru. (Or I
would be surprised, if the PJ wk situation wasn't so out of control.)
No. 930830
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"Let's tell shame to fuck off". Lol because that worked out great for her. Why would anyone take mental health advice from someone who got fired from her job for fucking her friend's husband
No. 930832
>>930830overwhelming and unwarranted self shaming can be a load on one’s mental health, but I seriously doubt Hoelly’s referring to that. newsflash: your shame stems from the fact that you convinced a married man to cheat, vilified and demonized his wife online when she found out, and used your mental health and the mental health of others as a scapegoat when people rightfully called you out for your actions!
ffs who ever thought she had any ground to stand on as a “mental health advocate” when she’s so manipulative
No. 930842
>>930832Your shame isnt a side effect of being mentally ill uWU, it's a side effect of doing terrible shit and knowing deep down you're the bad guy.
So, in summary, Holly's mental illness according to her is "wanting to please and make everyone happy" and being ashamed for no reason.
Maybe another half a dozen self help books will help!
No. 930843
>>930494Her and Jared love bringing up the Contrapoints video, such clownery.
Contra got cancelled for bullshit reasons, yall got cancelled for being sexual deviants, fucking fans, and cheating on/abusing your spouses. Theres a reason she didnt bring up jared in that video, even though she talked about the James Charles drama from the same time period.
No. 930862
>>930830Further confirmation that Holly has no self-awareness. Of course she doesn't feel shame; she won't even accept blame.
What the author said: Don't wallow in self-loathing. It's not productive or healthy.
What Holly read: Repenting is self-harm uwu where's my feelings wheel
No. 930887
>>930873Her highest tier pattern donation was sending someone a mental health tip in the mail for $30. She did it up until she was called out for it during the aftermath of the scandal. It should have been called out much sooner, but I’m assuming no one outside of her fanbase really paid much attention to her until then. I don’t understand how anyone can justify having people pay you $30 for some generic self-help advice you can google for free though this is hoelly we are talking about.
And before the WK’s spill in here, yes I know she wasn’t forcing anyone to pay her the money, but she should have put more effort into a high tier donation like that. Fuck even those low effort mushroom doodles are better than that and those are still shit
No. 930892
>>930873She's done away with it but a while back her 30$ tier would get you a postcard with a mental health tip on it.
There were screenshots of it some threads back.
No. 930895
>>930892Ah, so past tense should have been used then. Gotcha.
>>930887Self-help advice you could google is a whole industry. In the ned, isn't it up to the person paying to determine if their money was worth it in those cases? It's certainly a silly thing to sell, but it's not really unique here. Only thing I can see being wrong when doing this is saying you're a professional when you aren't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins No. 930902
>>930895Alright so since you clearly don’t have the reading comprehension to understand what I was saying to begin with, let me put it this way:
If she didn’t think anything was wrong with it she wouldn’t have stopped after getting called out.
Sure she never claimed to be a professional but she somehow thinks she’s an authority on mental health even though she uses her mental illness as a replacement for an actual personality and does nothing to better herself while constantly playing the uwu smol bean
victim as a 33 year old woman.
No. 930906
>>930902Anon's really like to assume motives and then run with that motive a lot.
She stopped doing it, why she decided is an unknown. Maybe she just didn't feel like it was worth fighting for, just change the reward tier and move on.
But I understand this is meaningless, as you have decided she's some kind of manipulative mastermind and not just some clumsy and stupid person who constantly fucks up because she acts first and thinks later.
No. 930912
>>930367>Definitely not going to infight over this one, but it's becoming unironically hilarious to see supposed social norms being thrown around in these threads.Different anon but I mean it's not even a bad thing to say that unless you're one of "those people" that wants to be contrary for the "omg I'm so quirky."
We get it, you hate hoelly as much as any of us do, but don't be stupid anon, there's nothing wrong with a girl clinging onto her man, something you see any time of the week with couples not afraid of PDA; Especially in an age where if a guy is clinging/hanging onto a girl women are the first to scream "
TOXIC MASCULINITY!"
>>930906The theme around here is: Unless you hate hoelly, jared and anyone related/linked to them or you don't hang onto the narrative EVERYTHING they do is with ill intentions, you're obviously a stan or have ulterior motives.
Like this for example, people say she stopped cuz she "was called out"..she more than likely stopped because of the patreon rule changes since then.
Nah that couldn't be it.
No. 930914
>>930895
>"Only thing I can see being wrong when doing this is…."If you're charging for mental health tips when you were in a mental health hospital for suicidal ideations less than six months before hand, you're in the wrong - FULL FUCKING STOP. It doesn't matter if she was claiming to be a professional or not - Her own mental health was in the shitter (she admitted to this herself), so she had NO BUSINESS selling mental health tips to those who are already in a delicate position.
>>930912
>"There's nothing wrong with a girl clining onto her man"There's plenty wrong with sinkholing your career to defend a guy who abused his fame to solicit nudes from his fanbase.
>"Unless you hate hoelly, jared and anyone related/linked to them….you're obviously a stan"Listen, Anon - You'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks that ANYONE in this situation is a saint. The reason it seems like we're all defending Heidi is because (A) she's been unfairly labeled an abuser for asking her husband not to continue fucking his mistress when it became clear they couldn't respect her and (B) she's kept her mouth shut for the most part and moved on. She isn't complaining about people giving her shit while simultaneously trying to profit off of it at any given chance.
No. 930918
>>930914>>>unfairly labeled an abuserJury's still out on that one, anon. She very well could be an abuser. There's enough precedent to say it's possible, almost enough for probable.
>>>She's kept her mouth shutNo, she talks about it on every other stream and tweets about it in some way nearly weekly. I won't blame you for not knowing because nobody here is paying attention.
>>>She isn't complaining about people giving her shit.That's mostly because people stopped giving her shit for the most part. She still responds angrily to some rando on occasion, though.
>>>If you're charging for mental health tips when you were in a mental health hospital for suicidal ideations less than six months before handThe best advocates are often people who have similar experiences. Are you going to go off on Alcoholics Anonymous because their sponsors were alcoholics themselves? Not the same, because they aren't paid. But if they accept a gift from their sponsee are they suddenly no longer qualified?
The greater implications of your "She has no business" are many and you clearly haven't thought them through because Holly's a bad person.
No. 930920
>>930918
>"She very well could be an abuser"In what way? In asking Jared to respect her enough to communicate 100% if she were to open the relationship? In asking Holly to respect her marriage and NOT sleep around with her husband behind her back? In being vocal in calling out Jared and Holly's blatant lies rather than just sitting back and letting them slander her left and right?
>"No, she talks about it on every other stream and tweets about it in some way nearly weekly"Yeah, how dare she talk about the fact that her husband's very public affair affected her mental health! What a bitch! /s
She's still not trying to profit financially while playing the
victim card (cough - hoelly - cough)
>"She still responds angrily to some rando on occasion"How dare she get upset at people who would rather being she's a lying whore than look at the facts that Jared was - at the very least - abusing his fame to solicit nudes and indulging in a romantic affair (if not sexual) with their mutual, also-married friend /s
>"Are you going to go off on AA because their sponsors were alcoholics?"No - but if they were actively allowing someone who was actively drinking to counselor other alcoholics, I'd be pissed about that too. If you don't have your own shit under control, you have no business counseling others.
>"You clearly haven't thought them through because Holly's a bad person"I don't think Holly IS a bad person. I think she's made stupid fucking decisions repeatedly though, and refuses to accept ANY responsibility when those stupid decisions cause legitimate harm to others.
No. 930925
>>930920In the same way that Jared "could be an abuser". She's accused of it. There's a little bit of texting that backs up the story given. The rest is without any support.
>Yeah, how dare she talk about the fact that her husband's very public affair affected her mental health! What a bitch! /sYeah, how dare Hoelly talk about being upset by people giving her shit for something she feels that she was right in doing!
/s
>She's still not trying to profit financiallyShe isn't? She didn't start talking about her streams and store when she was in the spotlight?
>If you don't have your own shit under control, you have no business counseling others.So, in your post you talked about it happening 6 months before. What is the length of time that you consider to be necessary?
She took a break form offering advice.
>>930922She talked about wishing they would move away, cried about how she feels isolated. It's a bit of hyperobole to say every other stream though.
She's a lot more subtle, but she understandably hasn't let it go.
Of course these people are going to talk about this shit. It's just silly to say one party is in the wrong for talking about it when the other still is too.
No. 930928
>>930925Being a
victim and playing the
victim are not the same thing. Motivation and intent also matter, or are murder and manslaughter the same thing in your world? Incidentally gaining new followers and notoriety from sharing your story is not equivalent to making t-shirts that say "cancelled" on them because you want to profit from drama. Stop with the false equivalency shit.
No. 930931
>>930922Agreed anon, I watch both of them. The difference between Holly's and Heidi's streams is night and day. Heidi is fun and actually makes art on stream. Holly just sits there during MHM and rambles about the drama, bullies, and lolcow. She is often high, depressed, and displaying constant anxiety tics while Heidi presents herself as a functioning person. It seems like Holly uses her mental health streams as a justification to complain to her audience and play the
victim. Heidi uses her streams to make art. These are some of the reasons Holly gets talked about and Heidi doesn't. If Heidi was as much of a mess as Holly, people would be laughing at her as well. If Holly cleaned up her act, she would not be talked about as much.
No. 930933
>>930925
>"In the same way that Jared 'could be an abuser'"Friend, he slapped his URL on his alleged 'body positivity' blog because that fool knew goddamned well that he was abusing his fame to get his fans to do things that they might not do if it was just some random behind the blog.
In regards to him and Heidi, there's literally fucking evidence in the conversations between Heidi and Holly that Jared was jerking them both around and not being 100% transparent. Doing things and then doing your damndest to convince your wife that you're not really doing them? That's gaslighting, and that's abuse.
>"How dare Hoelly talk about being upset by people giving her shit for something she feels that she was right in doing?"Here's the difference: Holly brought this on herself by fucking a married man. You don't want to be called a mistress or an adulterer? Don't fuck a married man.
>"She isn't? She didn't start talking about her streams or her store…"I'm talking more to the effect of Hoelly's "Cancelled!" shirts, from which she WAS going to donate the proceeds until she decided it was easier for her to claim that she was harassed into even offering before deleting any and all evidence of her offer.
>"What is the length of time that you consider to be necessary?"At least a year - or, at the VERY least, some indication that you know your fucked up behavior is fucked up. Hoelly has yet to admit that her own behavior played any sort of role in ANY of the drama that has gone down, instead pulling the "I'm sorry, I'm mentally ill" card rather than accepting responsibility.
No. 930934
>>930928How does this story change if you assume Heidi was intentionally misleading and lying?
Suddenly that advertisement is pretty fucked up, no?
Suddenly Hoelly selling shirts that joke about how fucked up things were isn't so bad.
You predicate your opinions upon Heidi being a
victim. I disagree. Everyone in this fucked up. The marriage was shitty far before this shit storm kicked up. Poly doesn't suddenly just come up in a healthy relationship.
No. 930936
>>930934Whether Holly was the
victim or the perpetrator, selling t-shirts to profit off of it is incredibly scummy and gross. If Jared was actually a
victim of intense psychological abuse then making a mockery of it and profiting from it is just tacky and wrong.
No. 930937
>>930934"Poly doesn't just come up in a healthy relationship."
Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. Poly should ONLY EVER come up in healthy relationships.
But also, from experience, I felt pressured to suggest poly when my ex kept clearly violating my boundaries. My rationale was that if he gets to sleep with other women, I should get to sleep with other men. Funny enough, he didn't like it as much going the other way. My gut feeling is something similar happened with Jared and Heidi - Jared wanted his 'freedom' and Heidi felt like a 'bad guy' if she denied him that, so they opened up their relationship.
No. 930941
>>930933>Friend, he slapped his URL on his alleged 'body positivity' blogThis is not the abuse I was talking about and you know it. It has no bearing on his relationship with Heidi and her accusation of cheating and abuse.
>there's literally fucking evidence in the conversations between Heidi and Holly that Jared was jerking them both aroundThose conversations also support the narrative that Jared lied to Heidi because she was
abusive. You just ignore that possibility.
>I'm talking more to the effect of Hoelly's "Cancelled!" shirtsShe just ran a donation drive concurrent with her art show. But hey, she didn't donate the shirt money, what a Machiavellian villain. In the end, I don't give a fuck about the shirt. She's allowed to sell what she wants why she wants. You can say it's in poor taste but you weren't about to buy one anyway, and I wasn't either. And her saying she'll donate it if it bothers you that much? Who cares. People back out of donations all the time.
>>930937It doesn't just COME UP in a healthy relationship. It's carefully discussed, tested, and explored. It's clear they didn't discuss this shit very much, otherwise there would be examples of their healthy dialogue from previous inclusions in the poly relationship.
No. 930943
>>930934>How does this story change if you assume Heidi was intentionally misleading and lying?How does this story change if you assume Holly is actually the reincarnation of Jesus Christ and everything she does is for some greater holy purpose?
The question you're asking is fucking retarded anon. Everyone was just in for the drama when it all broke out, but Heidi was the one who came through with proof and receipts, not to mention actually having the capacity to identify her own mistakes and be humble about them. No one is perfect, but there's pretty much zero reason to believe that Heidi was acting in a way that was intentionally misleading or disingenuous, unless you're just a simple-minded dickhead that likes to make apologies for
toxic emotional manipulators like Holly.
No. 930946
>>930943There's plenty of reason to believe she was being intentionally misleading. Because she said inconsistent shit with high frequency.
And no, I don't make excuses for Holly. I just also don't make excuses for Heidi. Which you seem keen to do.
>>930944He had sex with a fan while traveling, where are the texts between him and Heidi discussing the boundaries?
Maybe we haven't seen them because they don't support her narrative.
No. 930947
>>930918Another difference between Heidi and Holly responding to criticism is that Heidi is responding to the extreme trolls on her page - the ones who say things like "I'm going to hurt you". I really don't blame anyone for responding to the shit that they get, and they are both still getting shit.
But Holly also goes WAY out of her way to find posts that mention her where she isn't even tagged. For a while, she was following anyone who disagreed with her. She's not just responding to trolls to defend herself – she's going out of her way to "self-harm", as she puts it.
And the tshirts were just in poor taste no matter how you view the situation. Even if Heidi really was the abuser, that doesn't erase what Jared did to all of those kids.
I don't even blame her for trying to profit off of what was a shitty situation for everyone involved, but she was the one who kept yelling about how Heidi was only sharing her side of the story to profit off of the drama. That's why her hypocrisy is so mind boggling. Heidi might have gotten a few more followers out of it, but Holly is the one literally financially profiting off the situation.
No. 930949
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>>930945She also didn't disclose her platonic boyfriend. Her story about finding proof of their infidelity happened simultaneously at her home and at a convention. Jared didn't ask for a divorce until February and also asked for a divorce in October. She didn't tell them they could have sex but she told them to do whatever they want and to use the bed if needed.
Sure, she hasn't been misleading at all.
No. 930950
>>930934
>"How does this story change if you assume Heidi was intentionally misleading and lying?"I don't have to assume - The evidence released is pretty damning against Jared and Hoelly
>"Suddenly Hoelly selling shirts that joke about how fucked up things were isn't so bad"No, it's still pretty awful.
>"Poly doesn't suddenly just come up in a healthy relationship"Nobody said their relationship was healthy before hand - It wasn't. However, Jared seemed to be willing to work on said marriage before Hoelly started screeching in his ear how Heidi was apparently abusing him (the only fix being her trash pussy, I guess).
>>930945I must have missed that. Sorry, Anon - I'm mentally ill.
>>930946
>"She said inconsistent shit with high frequency"You mean like Jared who insisted that all of this was mutual and he cared about Heidi's mental health…..until it became obvious he was on a sinking ship and then he took the first chance to throw her under the bus, screaming about her apparently being
abusive (but showing not one shred of evidence as to HOW).
>"He had sex with a fan….where are the texts between him and Heidi?"I don't know, friend. But I'm sure once again that's Heidi's fault without you considering that maybe Heidi wasn't privy to the details of who he was sticking his dick in.
No. 930952
>>930949
>"She didn't disclose her platonic boyfriend"Because it's no one's business but hers and Jared's. Jared clearly consented since he never said one word about "Well, I asked her not to fuck him and she kept it up anyway!!"
We get it, Anon. In your head, Heidi is an evil whore and Hoelly is the misunderstood 'not like other girls' queen. You can fuck off back to whatever troll bridge you crawled out from under.
No. 930953
>>930936>If Jared was actually a victim of intense psychological abuse then making a mockery of it and profiting from it is just tacky and wrongThis. Same with fucking him. You don’t sleep with a person who you’re in the process of saving from what you believe to be an
abusive relationship where the other spouse is supposedly jealous and crazy. Even if we were to believe that Jared is the
victim here (doubt.jpg) then Holly’s actions are still extremely selfish and wrong.
No. 930962
>>930949"She also didn't disclose her platonic boyfriend."
Sorry, but I HATE this argument, because it's so willfully ignorant. Her platonic boyfriend had nothing to do with Jared cheating on her. Putting this in caps for emphasis: PEOPLE CAN STILL CHEAT IN POLYAMOROUS RELATIONSHIPS. Therefore, the information about Jared cheating on her didn't require that information upfront.
Not saying something in a first telling of a story and then bringing it up later when people ask about it =/= "misleading" others.
It's human nature to have inconsistencies in the stories we tell just because of the way memory works.
You could say the same about Holly. She says she and Ross talked about it and she 'wasn't cheating', but then there are texts showing her telling Heidi that she and Ross had only ever discussed Holly being with other women in the past and she didn't know how he'd react to other men. Do you think she was being "misleading" by omitting this information when she first told her side of the story?
Anyway, I just think the 'misleading' argument is dumb. People never tell perfect testimonies, but that doesn't mean everything they say is false. It also doesn't mean they're purposely misleading anyone. People just sometimes have memory lapses or they simplify a complex situation to make it easier for them to tell a story and that's part of being human.
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>>930960Yes because always falling back on that is indicative that you're willing to listen. Any time something that goes against your narrative comes up it's "BUT HE SOLICITED NUDES" and "SHE SUPPORTS A PREDATOR" in stead of actually talking about what information supports Heidi's side.
>>930962Inconsistencies in stories are normal. But they're far more common in lies than truthful stories.
>She says she and Ross talked about it and she 'wasn't cheating', but then there are texts showing her telling Heidi that she and Ross had only ever discussed Holly being with other women in the pastYou and I clearly read different texts, because the one I've seen only has Hoelly saying "I need to talk to Ross about this"
Nothing about women, or what exactly the "this" is.
Testimonial evidence IS really terrible, you're right. Which is why it's baffling to me that you take so much of it to heart when it comes to Heidi's story.
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>>930964After reviewing, I think you mean her mentioning that he was okay with women and "maybe" on men means she hasn't talked to Ross about being invited to explore have sex with Jared. When clearly the discussion was "you have feelings for Jared and don't just want to have sex, you need to tell Ross"
Those aren't the same thing.