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No. 432044
All drama-related discussion go here:
>>>/w/319720Escaped dramafags will get graduated from life
What is a vtuber?
>An online entertainer or live streamer who is typically represented by a digital avatar generated by computer graphics such as Live2D.This thread is made to discuss your favorite Vtubers, news surrounding the topic, and other stuff!
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For the nonnies who kept asking for a Calli threadpic.
>>431411Compared to Advent where I had a lot of initial interest but couldn't get into any of them, I was totally lukewarm to Justice when they debuted but they all grew on me over time. I think Cece is the only one I don't watch a lot of but even then I think she's still a good addition to Holo.
Raora unexpectedly really funny, and Liz has evidently been a huge hit with the female fanbase, aside from the sheer vocal talent she brings.
But Gigi was the big surprise for me. I was super turned off by both her model and her debut but she's my favorite in the gen now and likely my second favorite in EN after my oshi. I love how fun she is and the way she seems to get along with just about anybody. Several members of EN have admitted to being obsessed with her and I can totally see why.
No. 432049
love the threadpic, thanks nonna.
>>432038i am one of those fans. it really doesn't feel like her anymore
>>432045i have to actually seriously watch one of them. i liked liz' debut but i think that's about all i saw
No. 432053
>>432049Shilling Gigi specifically, her birthday stream was really creative and fun.
She's honestly great in any collab, though. I got into her through her strong performances in both the AmeSame Spelling Bee and ENReco.
No. 432283
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nonnas i want to be a vtuber but will i even have a chance to grow an audience without pandering to insufferable unicorns?
No. 433958
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Alleged leaks of DMs with Twisty from NijiEN are circulating
No. 434603
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Hello nonas.
Apologies for the incoming autism as this has become somewhat of a fixation but I also wanted to ask if any other US anons engaged with the Round1 x Hololive collab? I was quite honestly really put off by the first and second “waves” of the promotion, first a $50 holo towel only available for purchase if you buy $50 of game credits, and second a free keychain with a $120 game credit purchase, so I only went for the plush promotion.
They only had Fuwamoco, Gura, Fubuki, Ina, Okayu, and IryS. I went on opening day of the plush promo to my semi rural local Round1 and was DISGUSTED buy the coomers who attended en mass and swarmed the fuwamoco machines.
Each plush machine was locked to hit payout, so you had to play a lot in order to guarantee a plush. When I tell you these neckbeards would load 15+ games on a machine, not get the plush, walk away, buy another $100 in credits and go to a different machine. Appalled. I got my Gura, Okayu, Fubuki, (and fuwamoco after i saw people are selling them for $200) and left grossed out. I am excited for the January wave of all JP plush though.
No. 435211
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gumpai is my favorite lolcow self poster. I think she does a lot of good for the community actually.
No. 436619
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The Holostars discussion board's management temporarily shut it down because it was apparently too toxic(???), if we get newfags in the coming days like the one who tried to make a shit duplicate thread, it's because of that.
No. 436658
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Another Holo graduation. Any JP nonnas able to say if there were warning signs?
Ultimately unaffected by ongoing developments as long as Korone and Fauna stay, personally. They both seem pretty happy where they are, though.
No. 436660
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>>436658*she's not graduating, she's going the affiliate route like Ame. Seems fair, I believe she's also one of the members who had serious issues with stalker fans so I'm not surprised she wants to leave behind the idol arrangement.
No. 436855
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>>436619>The Holostars discussion boardthe what now?
No. 437029
>>436855After NYFCO went down, somebody created a StarsEN centric forum in the style of NYFCO for fans to continue congregating. It started out alright but discussions naturally grew more contentious as the site grew. Nothing insane but most of the people hanging around are the types who want to have their cake and eat it too with anonymous discussion sites so you can surmise how things went down.
Site was elysium.baby, we'll see if it comes back.
No. 437145
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I dont closely follow fauna but a bit surprised people are acting like she's anti-unicorn when her past content was like this?
It's never okay for male fans to be nasty, but making this kind of content is definitely not going to help you grow a respectful audience imo.
No. 437191
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Patiently waiting for Gura to dip and the whole Holo EN powder keg explodes
No. 437230
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>>437191>>437211Highly curious. I don't closely follow Aqua, Fauna, or Chloe, but as far as I knew, they were hardworking and had consistent stream output, unlike Gura or Ame who'd be more obvious choices for graduation.
Ofc no job is perfect but they literally got to play video games and make 6 figures a year. Something pretty wrong must be happening.
I feel bad but simultaneously I am ready for the shitstorm.
No. 437235
>>437230>literally got to play video games Like it's not just that. They have meetings, emails to follow up on inane shit, restrictions about what they can play because of Japanese copyright laws, work trips to Japan and idol stuff like concerts to work on.
If they can leave and take their fanbase with them and not have to deal with all the corpo shit on top of Cover taking (last I heard) a third of their donos, I'm surprised that more don't jump ship once they pump their numbers up. Kson is doing pretty well since leaving.
No. 437238
>>437235I'm sure that stuff is hard and annoying, especially if any of the talents are getting older and hoping to settle down and travel less. But I would still counter that there's not that many careers you can do full-time from home (outside from work trips) for 6 figures AND no formal education.
But tbh vtubing has been on the downswing for a while now. The writing might be on the wall. Aside from going indie, I don't think any talents would be insane if they wanted to go get a college degree or some type of formal job training.
>>437234Regardless of how you feel about randon (personally haven't followed him since he left holo) I think the clip seems fair. Sounds like what basically everyone in hololive alludes to, they just can't come out and say it as clearly as he can.
No. 437299
>>437235vidrel is laplus giving a breakdown of these things
>fauna graduatingi'm sorry for the nonas itt that enjoyed her, but i've been having fun watching the /vt/ melties
No. 437380
>>437379I wonder if some of the growing discontent with Holo EN/Holostars EN came from covid vs. post-covid expectations.
For HoloMyth, I imagine it was a pretty cush job - I don't think any of them were traveling back then. No expectation to fly to Japan multiple times a year to film concerts. Probably a few online meetings a week but otherwise, sit there and game.
I wonder if some other talents signed up, thinking they'd have that experience and it could even be a side job (like Sana doing it secondary to gacha artwork) but then expectations began to quickly change.
Being a full-time college student and streaming and having meetings a few times a week would be busy, but doable. But throw dance lessons and regular international travel plans into the mix, and it becomes way more complicated.
Rrats?
No. 437383
>>437379I don't think it's an issue, at least with Cover. We've had multiple talents pursue higher education and all have been allowed to take long breaks if they feel it's needed.
It was in menshi, but Kiara also stated today that the issue isn't necessarily the workload as, again, they're allowed to opt out of almost any event, the only thing she wasn't sure about was Fes. Not that she claimed there wasn't a
valid mangement based issue for talent complaints– she said there are multiple factors, in fact.
She wasn't able to get very specific but TLDR she said that the job, while having a heavy workload, is a relatively easy one for the high income they receive. But she also said that there are factors beyond those when it comes to leaving a job.
No. 438039
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Did we ever get confirmation that Gura aka Samantha Dillon Howard was one of the victims of David Matterson, convicted serial rapist in Nantucket?(obsessed schizo)
No. 438209
Time to doompost? I got shamed for it last time…>>437224
>>437299>>437380Comments on the linked YT video suggest Korean capitalism. I didn't know dance lessons were involved. If the talents have to pay for then it is that gets deducted, that's already a no.
Plus, they've realized that there's groundwork already done by people who recently went indie like Dokibird & Mint. Even Sayu. They'll never be broke.
Regardless of whether or not Hololive is neglecting them support offer whether it not the flights, lessons etc are a concern, they now know they don't need the company.
Plus, they are more than a few indies who are doing great thanks to having their own staff. Earlier it was Shylily and Shoto. Maybe a few ex- VShojo members like Nyanners. Now, even ex-Niji and ex-Holo members are finding their own footing. In terms of collabs, they get more options in the form of former co-workers. It'll probably be the same vibe but without a company taking money.
I guess the question is whether fans liked their personalities or just models.
No. 438372
>>438209If you're who you sound like you are, you didn't get shamed for doomposting. You got shamed for throwing random spaghetti at a wall to see what stuck while getting basic facts about the talents involved incorrect.
But that's beside the point. I'd agree that the past year has made indie vtubing a provably sustainable route for those who have an established fanbase but are unhappy with management. "Build a strong fanbase with corpo platform" -> "go indie and take full profit" has been the obvious emerging meta for a while now, though, even prior to the Dokibird situation this year.
No. 438710
Seems like all of the Aster stuff that drip leaked over the past year was legitimate.
>>438562Big utaite going vtuber isn't anything that crazy but mafumafu and soraru have both done a fair amount of it. If we're talking big seiyuu I know Ono Daisuke also used a rigged vtuber model when he interviewed with Roberu a while.
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how did this guy ever get accepted into a corpo he's a complete pr nightmare lmao
imagine vagueposting about the rumors of another member being a sexpest/sexual harasser is legit then backtracking and going "yeah im just stupid my bad"
No. 439058
>>438562Vtuber models are simply a means for people to stream without their human faces. KSon had one for just the face (not shoulders) for when she didn't wanna do makeup. Ironmouse said she used a model so people wouldn't see a sick person.
Utaite like nqrse, eve, etc have used it at one point or another.
If you look for old clips of VAs, they frequently have only audio and the image of the character they're playing. That's partially why Mikeneko didn't really have an issue there. VAs don't need to do face cam and some actively hide their faces so as to "not ruin immersion".
Even mangaka like Aka Akasaka and producers like Kanaria have Vtuber models. Shigure Ui is also a mangaka and I'm sure you've heard her famous song.
Point is, it's just a medium. Anyone who can afford a model can become a Vtuber.
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No. 439297
>>439292They're going to fire Twisty and claim that Aster's just a
victim of slander, calling it now.
No. 439439
>>439292Coming from the agency who let one known rapist walk scot free but got arrested an anti just for posting shit on 2chan or whatever I can only see this going awfully for the actual
victims. (Scarle, Twisty gets no respect from me)
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No. 439745
>>439715The noteworthy thing here is the uneven application of punishment for leaking. Back during the Raziel statement, it was abundantly clear that Luca had been the source of several past leaks, but Niji never so much as acknowledged the fact. It's odd that they're now making a point to say they're investigating unauthorized leaking. It seems leaking is not an issue when one of their big males does it repeatedly on the issue of internal drama and major upcoming events such as 3D, but DOES constitute and issue when a woman feels compelled to speak on sexual harrassment.
TLDR: given NijiEN's past treatment of confirmed leaks, it's reasonable to be suspect they're only mentioning a leaker in order to have somebody take the fall for the situation. Even if this doesn't happen, it's further evidence of favoritism from management.
No. 439772
I just wanna know why the fuck they didn’t drop Aster after the flopfag went after one of their top earning talents, Scarle. I can’t believe he’s got enough company clout to remain and just how much Scarle seems to be sidelined by this company.
>>439766Twisty would’ve done great in phase based off this
>>439743 exchange.
No. 439779
>>439293Shinri and Oga from Holostars have really low singing voices
but I wouldn't say they're especially amazing singers or anything. There's Chogakusei (a utaite who streams with a vtuber model and does lots of covers with Nijisanji JP livers), but he shows himself (masked) in most of his covers so that might be a deal breaker if you're not interested in real men kek
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>>440366two because flood ugh
No. 441664
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What’s your vtuber pet peeve, nonas? For me, it’s when vtubers use 3D models. Pic very much rel.
No. 442755
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Wish gura would come back, at least to use the cute 3D santa model like the other holo en girls. Doesn't look like it's happening though
No. 443035
>>443000>Produced by Mori Calliopei feel like i can't keep up with her sometimes. i listen to her albums and they're all over the place. buried under the soundcloud tier "electro swing rap" slop she puts out the occasional banger, or something like this, which i feel would be right at home as part of a video game soundtrack.
Wish she'd grow out of the other stuff and dedicated herself towards a proper sound, she's clearly capable of it
No. 443294
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>>443149Yeah, I'm not even a diehard fan or anything, just enjoyed watching her sometimes because she's cute and I like her singing, but the lack of transparency and communication for her breaks is definitely odd. She did do a member stream a few days ago but I'm not a member. At least she'll be in Ina's new 3D Live later today as one of the guest performers.
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sorry i don't really have anything to contribute but i just need to express how physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually agonizing it feels knowing i will never be loved by anyone like her. i have yoomed too close to the sun and now i must plummet to the earth
No. 443317
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>>443311like i'm only half joking, i had to take a long break from watching her streams and shorts because i would get legitimately depressed knowing that i will never know anyone like her irl. even when she's acting like a big dork and playing up being a womanizer she's still so effortlessly charming. i honestly thought i was asexual for a long time and never really understood the concept of fictional (or in this case pseudo-fictional) crushes before i saw these threads and got curious enough to watch one of her streams. now i wish i could return to such sweet, innocent naivete
No. 443416
>>443302>>443317Totally fair. Can't say I'm as deep in as you are but I definitely see her charms.
>>443294IIRC she went as far as moving to Japan last year, right? It's strange to me that she's stayed just as inactive as ever after that. Every other HoloEN that's moved to Japan has been the grindset type.
No. 443622
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>>441664When they can't finish the damn game.
No. 443779
>>441664Static hand shit like Gura's hands on her chest on her greek model or Calli's hand on her chin. I think it can be cute when they are like holding go a controller or something, specially hand drawn like Nene and Korone do, but those dead cutesy/demure poses are so annoying.
Absolutely 3D models for regular streams also.
>>441664 No. 444242
>>444115Gigi is truly a gem, I feel the same way about her. I loved the CC Christmas special recently too where Gigi drew all of the chibis that CC rigged for the guests to use, super cute.
I'm really going to be sad when Fauna leaves and we don't get more of her with Gigi. They really seem to enjoy each other a lot and I was starting to understand why people would get into duos like MiComet and OkaKoro.
No. 444462
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I've never like vtubers until I've seen this little guy. Seto Kazuya is just so unique, like tickles my inner gothgirl. I really love the music and covers produced.
No. 444472
>>444462Same. It blows my mind that the vtuber created the model. Very cute, smooth, expressive and love the spooky theme. Amazing talent right there.
>>444465Just because it's shota? I don't think they do anything that's coomshit unless you think shotas in shorts are automatically sexualized. Plus the creator is a woman so it's a hundred times better than all the loli vtubers out there especially ones with moids behind them.
No. 444508
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>>444502>hey, i'm happy for shota if only to piss off moids in vtuber fandom? shota doesnt piss off moids at all kek tf are you on about,they use to goon off their child rape fantasies picrel is the biggest example.
No. 444673
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I love it and I love her. Silly and adorable, hat reminds me of Korone's NY outfit vibes while being entirely distinct.
No. 444742
>>444678Cece is so cool! I like her DIY spirit while streaming overall even if she's not really my speed.
All of Justice had really strong new outfits, there are usually one or two in these genwide outfits that I find underwhelming (I don't like most of Myth or Promise's tbh) but none of theirs disappointed me.
No. 444887
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>>444742>All of Justice had really strong new outfitsAgree, I don't watch too much of them besides clips of gigi occasionally but love these way more than the messes that were advent's last year. Cece looks so clean and classy and i'm seriously impressed by her ambition with rigging, and I think the twintails on Raora is a cute look.
No. 444960
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Neuro sama is peak vtuber experience
No. 444977
>>444887I really hope they keep teaming up on cute projects given how all-around strong this generation is. They've got an instrumentalist, a singer, an artist, and a talented entertainer. It reminds me of the old days of Myth.
Except I actually enjoy them more. I feel like some of the members of myth were seriously oversold thanks to the COVID buff, as much as I hate comparing gens For example, I think she was great at organizing events and taking the initiative on introducing new tech, but I still think Ame wasn't a good on-screen entertainer despite how funny people seemed to find her (all she had going her there was funny noises…) Her decision to retire and move more BTS in the industry was a great choice IMO, no hate intended.
No. 447265
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I'm a female vtuber and I want to make more female vtuber friends. But every time a female-looking vtuber follows me on twitter, I go on their twitch and hear a male voice. Grim.
No. 447730
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Thought some anons would get a kick out of this.
No. 448328
>>447265Try reaching out to female vtubers yourself instead of waiting for them to come to you.
>>447730I literally forgot that Vox still existed since the Selen drama died down kek
No. 449808
>>449760He's chronically unable to stick with projects until they actually start bearing fruit (ditched Magni, ditched Lando, thinking about jumping ship on Caspurr now and planning to move to Japan) and struggles with an actual personality disorder of some sort (either bipilar or NPD)– he's talked about it rarely as Lando and recently had a meltie in menshi about it as Caspurr. Whatever it is it causes him to constantly flipflop between aggressive self-preening and bemoaning his victimhood as an unappreciated auteur. It's extra apparrent in the podcast he has with Bettel's PL though, best in jest, where they kinda just feed each other's mental illness on screen. It's all just him talking over and putting bettel down while they develop an eating disorder together kek.
Like Vesper is mentally ill too but outside of his menhera arc while in the Stars he seems to mostly keep it to himself in private and take actual steps to manage it. Lando on the other hand basically relies on manic episodes to produce content/feel self worth.
No. 450034
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>>448497The closest version of that I can think of is Kronii (kinda)
No. 451052
>>451038Mm, I'm curious about behind the scenes stuff so I do wonder what it'd be like to actually know them and ask, but I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything. I get a lot of joy out of my oshi and I think sometimes it's best not to look at what's behind the curtain if you want to keep enjoying something.
This does remind me that there are some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLs, though. One fan in particular had a massive meltdown after Bettel 2 got uncomfortable with her treating him like a husbando and blocked her kek
No. 451211
>>451052>I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything.truth be told, i don't know that i'd be able to befriend them either but i put it there as to express that they'd be comfortable enough around you to share those kinds of things.
>some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLsas far as i'm concerned, i treat PLs as yet another persona. I was more going for the full "mask off" person.
I used to know some local streamers (small time but their following was in the mid to high three digits) a few years ago and they were actually so much nicer off camera.
No. 452953
>>450034The difference is she actually looks cool and this is a good design while the other one is horrible
>>450076This is how I feel about Ina but it makes sense in her case since she's an artist
No. 453364
Octavio's new outfit might be the prettiest male vtuber model I've ever seen. His mama really goes all out.
Gibby and especially Ruze were both misses for me, though.
>>452953Totally agree with you, I like that she and Ina also both have very cohesive style across most of their projects.
No. 453411
>>453375Same on GB's facial hair, the only saving grace is that it's minimal instead of looking like it was scrawled on by a child like Vox and Fulgur's. I really can't put a finger on why Ruze's outfit was such a miss for me… His mama is my favorite artist out of the four but the outfit just looks bad as a Live2D and the hair really does not suit his face? I get he wanted long hair but this particular style is not it. Jurard is whatever, I don't care in either direction.
All four outfits looked like they were high effort/budget though which I'm glad to see. I fully blame any inadequacies on the talents' desires and not on the artists as Armis had the best base models out of the three StarsEN gens.
And whew, you're so right. Octavio went full maestro on the outfit debut stream, the guy really puts all his effort into this job.
No. 453502
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I was impressed with the detail on Tavi's model, he looks so pretty. I don't watch Jurard much but I liked his outfit too, the long hair and glasses look really handsome on him.
>>449784I can't stand it especially because most of the guys I watch obviously egosearch in their respective threads and have even brought up shit on stream that they obviously saw there. It's so uncomfortable, I don't want to have to filter my discussions about them
No. 453889
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>>453591If you're talking about picrel I've seen those! I think they're cute but I personally prefer the more thin-rimmed ones on megane boys.
No. 454297
>>453889I guess everybody has their own tastes! To be honest I think I like the thicker rims because it makes him look like Grell Sutcliffe lol nonnies can say about him what they will but Grell is a nostalgic favorite.
The thin rims do have their own appeal, though. Especially with the quieter voice his new outfit has the vibe of a master tactician.
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https://x.com/Vspo77/status/1884182277682520145Honestly? Good on VSPO for actually enforcing their no-NSFW policy.
No. 455097
>>451051I feel like Fauna/Nimi also numberfagged her graduation way harder. Ame had been checked out for years, she went with that ambiguous affiliate option that no one fully understood and without stating any particular reason for leaving, and split her audience between youtube and twitch. I think most people just went "yea that's not that surprising I guess" and let her do her thing unless they were diehard teamates before.
Fauna dropped the graduation bomb pretty much at her peak with a surprisingly blunt and curt announcement that led a bunch of drama and debuted shortly after with a fan name that's one letter off from her holo fan name and while constantly talking about how she's "still" green and basically promising to continue her ongoing holo playthroughs with the same saves. It was super weird how she handled her graduation, I guess I might have a bit more corpo drone in me than I thought but I found the whole thing kinda distasteful.
No. 455705
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I don’t know why but I find it amusing that Nene’s back to having a Chinese-themed outfit years after dumping her original design
No. 456032
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>>455705It's well known that her OG outfit was a huge nerf for her but I'm glad they revisited the Chinese motif as I think execution, not concept, was the issue. The alt is adorable, too. I always love a jiangshi costume.
No. 457497
>>457304yeah..i'm glad she found success as Kronii, and she deserves all of the success she's gotten, but its annoying sometimes seeing people really force this "omg she's so feminine" thing onto her when that isn't the thing she really goes for during her streams.
It's giving feminization fetish, and i've had annoying moids try to do that to me back in my tumblr nonbinry days. (imo if people feel the need to identify as any kind of genderspecial, it's usually because they have a complex about their appearance and the way they're perceived by others due to their sex)
No. 457533
>>457497I think you're missing my point. When people say she's androgynous it seems like a cope because like another nonna said she's gone out of her way to undergo extreme cosmetic surgeries (which she claims totally aren't cosmetic, but seriously– who gets both a rib removal and jaw reshaping for noncosmetic reasons and then suddenly has an uptick in IRL people saying how hot she is afterwards?) She also started suddenly talking about how big her boobs are at some point last year.
I'm tired of seeing her shilled a certain way when she's clearly very into her looks.
>>457524Niji has tons of genderspecials both on and off stream.
Hana, Uki, and Melissa all actually identify as nonbinary IRL and Ryushen is a they/them character as well although I think IRL they're a woman. Mayuzumi was a trans woman IRL at the time he was in Niji. Genzuki has been slowly trooning out across his models and talked about his complicated feelings towards gender.
Anyways it's not hard to imagine why one might go to Holo though when it automatically means massive cash kek.
No. 457534
>>457510think about it. her job IS to sexualize herself on a daily basis to make money from simps, and she's been doing this for years.
eventually the character of Kronii might've actually sunk into her psyche somehow. When you play a role for so long you eventually become it. Imo its just a form of body dysphoria/dysmorphia thats presenting in another way, and it's probably the only way for her to feel comfortable playing the Kronii character without wanting to hide her models body is to change her actual physical appearance irl to be on the same level. (Idk i'm just throwing out psychobabble here)
No. 457550
>>457534Kek I'm glad you're self-aware but this was entertaining
As long as we're going off the wall with rrats I think her desire to id as something other than female also stems from the fact that she's clearly a lesbian or at least a female-leaning bisexual and sounds like she is, or used to be, one-sidedly in love with her best friend.
No. 458024
>>457870Kek I totally memoryholed Yugo, I mostly just feel bad for her in particular because she had a severely abused childhood iirc. I'm glad to see her doing better after Niji.
I didn't know that Aia was a genderspecial?
No. 458551
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Maybe it's nostalgia but I still like Ame/Dooby, even though she's fallen off a bit. She's goofy and not too try-hard. It's nice.
No. 459588
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posting this here since the /w/ thread is fullshondos (the pedo pander vtuber who calls women "holes") mother's supposedly tried to kill herself but she cant not grift this to her pedo moids for money, always remember that everytime you think a pedo pickme cant get any lower she can!
No. 462007
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>>459588>>461771She's fucking nuts and completely deserves the hate she gets
No. 462094
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Have you ever had a change of opinion about a talent, either negatively or positively? I used to avoid shiori because I found her cringe but when she started showing more of her genuine interests I actually found her sort of endearing, that + the snufkin yume sperging during her moominvalley vod kek
No. 462097
>>462007Pick me final boss kek. "My womb is eternal" do the men who watch her not realize they can't actually have kids with 2D characters and that her womb doesn't even exist. How is that even an epic own if real women are out there having children and your anime girl never will outside of your delusions and fanart or something. Even if you follow their own retarded logic that women are worthless if they aren't fertile it doesn't make any sense as that would mean by definition a 2D girl is actually more worthless than a 3D one because she can't ever give birth. Also the amount of copium these men must be on is really something, they can't actually get a gf irl or are just pedophiles but will pretend it's actually because real women are just walled hags. I don't know her age but I don't really understand saying this when you're just a real woman yourself behind the model as well, she's basically insulting herself because she's also a real woman outside of her vtuber persona.
>>462094Honestly I can't think of any right now, but your post motivated me to check out more of Shiori's stuff.
No. 462586
>>462027Amiya Aranha
>>462094Ceres Fauna
No. 462590
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>>459588Sad thing is shondo isn't even the worst pick me vtuber out there, picrel
made a piece of audio where she pretended to schlick to baby cp, with edited sounds of a baby crying in the background No. 463178
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>>463090>people are saying she dubbed over actual csem?There's technically "no evidence" of this as of now, but somebody did claim she had realistic ai cp on her computer which she used for her audios. She said this is true but she just took the image from pixiv. Idk what the image is but I imagine that could get her arrested in the US
No. 463869
>>462590>>463178>>462650recently saw this bittycat related video on YouTube.
Mizutamari and his friend isn't "technically" defending her but when they said "predators can be redeemed, they deserve hugs and kisses" i was speechless
No. 467391
>>467150Shion graduating… I feel like this is one everybody saw coming. I think it's healthier for her this way, both she and Haachama started way too young.
If I'm honest I more or less left the hobby after my oshi graduated even though she reincarnated right after. I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome. But with the way corpo careers usually go, it's not worth finding a new oshi, either.
No. 467515
>>467150speaking as a corpo enjoyer: they still have high production value events like 3d lives and shows, and more opportunities for interesting interactions between differing personality types like PekoVivi recently on the Minecraft server. i might like an individual well enough on their own, but the sort of thing only a corpo environment can provide is an entertainment multiplier.
as for Shion, she started back as a teenager when hololive was just a side gig where you goof off with dodos in Ark, but then here we are in 2025 with holomems having concerts at Nippon Budokan and singing for One Piece and Gundam. she’s also open about having ongoing mental health issues that don’t seem to be getting any better; she was on extended hiatus before and only really came back because she wanted to see off Aqua. I mean yeah, if you have her as your oshi, you’d have to be wilfully blind to not see the writing on the wall, but if you have, say, the bau bau twins who jumped in feet first into the current hololive and join every big collab event and 3d live, I don’t think you need to be too worried.
but in the end, corpo or indie, they’re going to stop eventually, and as a viewer it really doesn’t matter to me whether its from corpo machinations, personal reasons or they just got plain tired of it. i think the mature thing to do is to realize this is all just entertainment and to step back, enjoy their streams as they are and not worry about it.
No. 467633
>>466268Aofag here, I like this song
>>467150I'm just surprised it wasn't Gura first, she's always the one I think is gonna graduate next. Shion's default outfit was always one of the worst designs in Hololive imo, it was just too blatantly pandering to lolicons with the exposed mid riff and miniskirt. Some of her more normal alt outfits were cute though.
No. 467685
>>467391>I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome. Maybe not in Holo setup, but I feel like oshis collabing again will happen after they graduate. Eventually.
But mine are Mint, Matara and Michi, so maybe I'm too optimistic.
You're right about things being a bit different, but for me it's just that lockdown is over.
No. 467821
>>467685I think that's a big part of it too.
The thing I miss most about Holo are the big events to look forward to with a set ensemble cast you're familiar with. The indie scene feels like a big mash of weird crossovers with no coordination and I'm not into it, although I can see why others might be. The events don't feel the same, either.
No. 468030
>>467906idk about fsp but the holostars have quite a few fans here.
ive only ever been able to get into the stars among male chuubas, tried watching fsp occassionally after they debuted but they came off as really forced fujobaity. maybe that's changed.
No. 468204
>>468180I'm a fujofag too but I think it feels too much like calculated RPF for my tastes or something… I think it's funny to ship the male chuubas who hate being put in ships though. Different strokes for different folks, I'm glad you enjoy your boys.
Who's your oshi? I've heard like nothing about the 2nd gen.
No. 468205
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Nonnies who was your first oshi and who is your current oshi?
For me:
First was Sasaki Saku, current is Inugami Korone.
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>>468204Thank you anon! I'm really picky so I've oshihen'd a lot outside of FSP but Gale is my favorite guy. I like his high energy and his bits are actually funny, he makes me giggle like an idiot.
The 2nd gen is still very new but I like Malim, he's nice to fall asleep to (not in a bad way)
No. 468645
>>468205>First oshiSana and
Vesper. I have terrible luck lol
>Second oshiidk..i'm still on the lookout for someone that will actually stay, but also fits my sense of humor. I don't like squeaky clean seiso vtubers. If anyone has any suggestions i'd like it.
No. 468818
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>>468205My first oshi was Magni. I liked him enough that I tried to follow him after he left Holo but he turned out to be a disgusting coomer, surprise surprise moids are only tolerable when they are contained somehow.
Now the vtuber I watch most is Octavio, he is very ambitious and I like his music journey. His 3D is in three weeks and I'm excited to see how that goes
No. 468915
>>468818from what i've seen not!Magni is still having problems with starting too many projects and not sticking to them. I can see how going from that to Octavio, someone who also starts a lot of projects but actually sees them through to the end, must be amazing.
Who was that one girl that told him out in his comments one time then switched over to Altare and Shinri as her oshis? She was based.
No. 469303
>>469194what kind of doctor is Octavio? has he ever talked about it?
Med school takes a pretty long time to complete if you're looking towards becoming a physician (like 11 to 15 years)
No. 469408
>>469117I mean that goes for most anime and other media as well, not just vtubers or hololive. Sure there's a limit but it depends on each person how much they're willing to ignore when they get into media that is catered to a male audience, some people will just enjoy whatever aspects they like about it and ignore the moidshit. I don't watch Kronii myself but I've seen other women be into her just because of her personality or some funny clips they saw of her or something. And if you ask me it's weirder to be shocked that a thread about vtubers would have fans of the hololive girls when they're the most popular vtubers by far kek and what got most people into vtubing in the first place. I would only be weirded out if people here were into vtubers like
>>462590 or
>>462007 , not hololive girls with literal millions of subscribers.
No. 469462
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>>468205>First Korone, I think she's how I first got into vtubers
>CurrentNot sure. I tend to move around a lot nowadays.
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>>469462That korone outfit is so cute. It's my favorite of hers
No. 469508
>>469303I remember radiologist being said a lot around the time of his debut but I didn't every see concrete evidence posted for it.
>>469303Octavio is a doctor. I don't have it on hand because his fans pretty assiduously scrubbed their digging clean after people went too far with the investigation, but he has a post history dating back over a decade indicating that he's both in his 30s and has completed medical school. He had some of the worst opsec in Stars on debut.
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Harsh, I knew her family has a history of severe mental illnesses. Sad to have a mother die regardless
No. 470372
>>469992Don't really watch her much but from what I've seen it seemed like she kind of had an accent? Not sure though.
>>470363Kek I have the same problem. I feel like a tired boomer when I see them talk. Plus I'm socially anxious so I struggle to reach out to other people. One aspect I envy about vtubers in companies like hololive is how it seems like they instantly get access to a bunch of female friends into the same things (vtubing, games, weeb stuff) by just joining the company and doing activities together.
No. 470384
>>470372Ah, 100% agreed. Sometimes I wish I was in Hololive just to make friends with similar interests and goals. Especially when events like the expo roll around, it's very sweet to hear about them excitedly meeting each other for the first time and sightseeing, performing together.
Speaking of which, I'd also really like to attend the expo one year and watch my oshi perform. But going to such an event as a solo female traveller sort of intimidates me.
No. 470549
>>470384Yeah it's cute seeing their interactions and how they get past the language barriers sometimes when it's the JP girls interacting with ENs. It seems too stressful for me as a job though, all those eyes on you, having to learn how to sing and dance, streaming consistently (well, some of them don't, but still). I don't think I could do it besides as a hobby even if it seems like a nice way to meet female friends.
>solo female travellerI'd be scared too, would probably drag a family member with me just to not be on my own kek.
No. 471193
>>471184I agree with this NijiJP has a pretty laid back fanbase (or maybe it's just becaise there's such a broad selection to find what suits you from).
Nonnie complains about StarsEN's fanbase but I feel like StarsJP has it even worse due to the confluence of idol fan mindset with people who constantly feel their idols are being slighted by management.
No. 471578
>>471565Not too bad, but the NijiEN males at their peak were comparable to the HoloEN girls in terms of CCV and income, and they generally fall at about a quarter of that success currently. They haven't recovered, although they were falling off steadily for a long time before the Selen drama.
I think a big part of the issue is that they came into a thirsty market with something that wasn't being provided, but the NijiEN males were like… Let's be honest, the majority are kinda talentless and unmotivated compared to, say, their corpos heavy hitters on the JP side or the Stars. So they weren't able to sustain the platform. If Zael had come in during that era and been properly supported I think he would have done really, really well for himself and maintained that success in comparison.
No. 471747
>>471699I feel like the significant East Asian fanbase that left wasn't Japanese, it was Chinese and I'm still not entirely sure why. But from what I saw it was definitely Chinese gachis that generated so much profit for Luxiem during their peak.
Maybe they moved on to Virtuareal and other native creators but I don't actually closely observe the Chinese fanbase when it's not intersecting with English spaces so I can't say.
No. 471999
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Chibidoki used to be the only Vtuber I watched because I don't know many Vtubers and she's silly instead of blatant coomerbait/lolibait. But then I discovered the model she used before her chibi big headed one… I'm so disappointed.
No. 473495
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Lol I wish I could make fun of the unicorns crashing out over Shiori collabing with Jurard but I kinda get it when it's Jurard. He's one of only 2 Holostars I just won't watch even in collabs. The only good thing about him is his model.
No. 473498
>>473496OkaKoro are fine, nonna is referring to how current Okayu is unrecognizable compared to the Okayu we started with.
I similarly used to like her the same way I liked Korone, they had good game taste and were relatively unsexual streamers anybody could get into. Korone is still the same but Okayu's become very male pandering in recent years.
It's different enough that I've even heard complaints from the male side of the fanbase who were formerly into her for being a tomboy or whatever.
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I always laugh at the body proportions of Kronii's 3D model, it's so goofy
No. 473567
>>473516Kronii's fullbody design was so bad it made me fully sober up and start disliking Wada Arco's art. Although to be fair I had also recently quit playing FGO.
>>473549Gibby, I don't think he's as bad as Jurard I just think his content and style is in total incongruency with what I like. He also burped and such in his early streams which was just a gross turnoff for me.
I also just find both he and Jurard chronically unfunny along with having annoying voices.
No. 473606
>>473601Yeah to be honest it turned me off during the first round of collabs back with the Tempus debut. I watch Holo to enjoy female friendship (if that makes sense…?) and the vibe is just different with the male collabs.
It's unfortunate that that aligns me with men who feel cucked or maligned in some way by male collabs but what can I say. Men in chat are easy to ignore when I never open chat to begin with, a retarded moid on screen is actually obnoxious.
No. 474397
>>474075LOL Okay I forgive her for the crime of collabing with Jurard in that case. Will definitely be watching. I still want her and Octavio to do a weird/gross facts educational stream or something together one day.
Also it's hilarious that she's apparently just going full steam ahead with male collabs. Good for her doing what she wants, although I have to wonder what
triggered the sudden change in protocol.
No. 474473
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sorry for pl shit but this was from jurard's old channel
No. 474834
>>474679I gotta wonder if she was actually making that much money, though? She's not one of the popular members of Hololive by any metric so I'd assume she's just making a decent but not extravagant salary. Taking the kind of action she has in those circumstances doesn't seem financially motivated.
I do feel like Liz's entrance to Holo tested the waters again re:Stars collabs after the MagVes graduations rendered them more or less taboo outside of Bae collabing with Bettel and Shinri that one time. It went alright for Liz so maybe Shiori just feels comfortable doing something she's always been interested in.
If she keeps collabing with the Stars I'd be interested in seeing if it seems like she's already friends with amy of them. I want to see the unicorn meltie that would ensue kek it'd induce significant paranoia that all their oshis talk to the Stars behind the scenes.
No. 475442
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Don't watch her but Kronii's new outfit is cute
No. 475518
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i still dislike the breast focus but it's overall pretty tame and cute
No. 475679
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inb4 another graduation
No. 475962
i wonder if it's the literal song and dance routine that gets to the council girls, like sana, fauna, and now mumei, that makes them want to leave. i don't know about kronii but as far as i can tell, bae seems to be the only one that's all-in to the non-streaming side of holo that she actually moved to Japan for it and does her own dance choreography.
>>475679same, after sana i couldn't really find myself to be upset about it and just want to watch the fireworks. maybe she and dokibird can hang out now or whatever.
No. 476052
>>476001Mumei's design is one of the best in the EN vtubing sphere imo. Not too horny, yet not too bland.
Rivals Korone in that regard, so it's sad she'll be retiring it.
Even if she were to redebut, I don't think anything can beat it.
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>>476052Exactly, it was a nice design. Her hoodie on picrel looked comfy and cute. I also liked her default outfit, casual and new years. I wanted to draw her at some point and was meaning to get into her content but now she graduated so I guess I'll just have to do that even after she's gone.
No. 476094
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>>476052mumei's design is one i would recognize immediately for holo EN while cute but not overdesigned. it may be the old in me, but her emo costume is one of my favourites. as for other EN vtuber designs, Inanna Bell's fairy design is also really pretty to me. the best designs outside of EN i've noticed are probably from the korean, mandarin-speaking and spanish-speaking sides. too bad about the language barrier and timezones
No. 476121
>>475962IDK Fauna I didn't believe but when Mumei says she liked the idol element, I believe her. Over her tenure in Holo she actually did evolve into one of the best singers in Holo so it's evident she's been putting in the effort behind the scenes.
I'd sooner speculate it being a combination of her health issues and issues with management than the job content.
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>>476094I thought it was cute how she and Fauna had matching emo outfits.
>>476117Lmao yes if even the coomers took notice you know the change was extreme, though loads of them in the comments are saying they like it and she probably makes bank off of them by pandering like this. Her latest outfit was coomery again too.
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>>475679I never really watched Mumei that much but I liked some of her songs and liked her clips. It's sad to see her go. She didn't have a big coomer design either. Council it's cursed.
No. 476493
>>476467I think because there's so much to lose the experience associated with your oshi when a corpo vtuber graduates (their brand as well as all of the relationships they've built up, the events they can participate in, etc.) people really don't want to believe there's an issue with the corpo.
If your oshi is the one leaving though and herself states issues with management, though, and you choose the corpo over her, you're retarded.
No. 476684
>>476524No, it's just a newfag.
I have a feeling some of the responses regarding Shiori are tourists.
No. 476788
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>>476467It's probably because they feel guilty that they're supporting the company and want an easy way out so they don't have to feel bad about it. People especially these days have a hard time accepting they like something flawed, so they always have to cope hard and tell themselves nothing they like could ever have any problems.
No. 476842
>>476788It's definitely a coping mechanism. When the Selen bullshit happened, there were a ton of comments and memes putting COVER on a pedestal: the responsible supportive YAGOO vs the evil black company Nijisanji yachtman. Having multiple graduating holomems directly citing management as one of their issues pokes holes in that narrative.
>>476794You know, hololive uses this one guy for 3D videos, and I never liked them because I find the animations have this uncannily awkward movement to them, but I figured he got work because he was a fan and was willing to get paid under market rates kek
No. 477033
>>476881I think the reasons depend on the talent. Some of them have genuinely just been doing this a long time and might be looking for a change of pace striking out as an indie with an established huge fanbase. In Fauna's case, it was known for a long time that a)her manager sucks ass and b)she dislikes the long trips overseas that have become basically mandatory with the job exiting the pandemic. So exit seemes natural for her. And so on.
I'm not saying this to defend Cover because I'm neutral on them at best and most times critical. But I think an inherent issue of corporate vtubing is that once a chuuba gets big enough and establishes her paypigs, it's almost always going to be a better deal being indie. A lot of people don't seem to consider that factor because they weigh things like friends within the company and such too heavily, but when you think of it like any other job, employees aren't going to stay with the lesser deal just because of their work friends or whatever.