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No. 432044
All drama-related discussion go here:
>>>/w/319720Escaped dramafags will get graduated from life
What is a vtuber?
>An online entertainer or live streamer who is typically represented by a digital avatar generated by computer graphics such as Live2D.This thread is made to discuss your favorite Vtubers, news surrounding the topic, and other stuff!
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For the nonnies who kept asking for a Calli threadpic.
>>431411Compared to Advent where I had a lot of initial interest but couldn't get into any of them, I was totally lukewarm to Justice when they debuted but they all grew on me over time. I think Cece is the only one I don't watch a lot of but even then I think she's still a good addition to Holo.
Raora unexpectedly really funny, and Liz has evidently been a huge hit with the female fanbase, aside from the sheer vocal talent she brings.
But Gigi was the big surprise for me. I was super turned off by both her model and her debut but she's my favorite in the gen now and likely my second favorite in EN after my oshi. I love how fun she is and the way she seems to get along with just about anybody. Several members of EN have admitted to being obsessed with her and I can totally see why.
No. 432049
love the threadpic, thanks nonna.
>>432038i am one of those fans. it really doesn't feel like her anymore
>>432045i have to actually seriously watch one of them. i liked liz' debut but i think that's about all i saw
No. 432053
>>432049Shilling Gigi specifically, her birthday stream was really creative and fun.
She's honestly great in any collab, though. I got into her through her strong performances in both the AmeSame Spelling Bee and ENReco.
No. 432283
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nonnas i want to be a vtuber but will i even have a chance to grow an audience without pandering to insufferable unicorns?
No. 433958
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Alleged leaks of DMs with Twisty from NijiEN are circulating
No. 434603
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Hello nonas.
Apologies for the incoming autism as this has become somewhat of a fixation but I also wanted to ask if any other US anons engaged with the Round1 x Hololive collab? I was quite honestly really put off by the first and second “waves” of the promotion, first a $50 holo towel only available for purchase if you buy $50 of game credits, and second a free keychain with a $120 game credit purchase, so I only went for the plush promotion.
They only had Fuwamoco, Gura, Fubuki, Ina, Okayu, and IryS. I went on opening day of the plush promo to my semi rural local Round1 and was DISGUSTED buy the coomers who attended en mass and swarmed the fuwamoco machines.
Each plush machine was locked to hit payout, so you had to play a lot in order to guarantee a plush. When I tell you these neckbeards would load 15+ games on a machine, not get the plush, walk away, buy another $100 in credits and go to a different machine. Appalled. I got my Gura, Okayu, Fubuki, (and fuwamoco after i saw people are selling them for $200) and left grossed out. I am excited for the January wave of all JP plush though.
No. 435211
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gumpai is my favorite lolcow self poster. I think she does a lot of good for the community actually.
No. 436619
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The Holostars discussion board's management temporarily shut it down because it was apparently too toxic(???), if we get newfags in the coming days like the one who tried to make a shit duplicate thread, it's because of that.
No. 436658
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Another Holo graduation. Any JP nonnas able to say if there were warning signs?
Ultimately unaffected by ongoing developments as long as Korone and Fauna stay, personally. They both seem pretty happy where they are, though.
No. 436660
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>>436658*she's not graduating, she's going the affiliate route like Ame. Seems fair, I believe she's also one of the members who had serious issues with stalker fans so I'm not surprised she wants to leave behind the idol arrangement.
No. 436855
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>>436619>The Holostars discussion boardthe what now?
No. 437029
>>436855After NYFCO went down, somebody created a StarsEN centric forum in the style of NYFCO for fans to continue congregating. It started out alright but discussions naturally grew more contentious as the site grew. Nothing insane but most of the people hanging around are the types who want to have their cake and eat it too with anonymous discussion sites so you can surmise how things went down.
Site was elysium.baby, we'll see if it comes back.
No. 437145
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I dont closely follow fauna but a bit surprised people are acting like she's anti-unicorn when her past content was like this?
It's never okay for male fans to be nasty, but making this kind of content is definitely not going to help you grow a respectful audience imo.
No. 437191
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Patiently waiting for Gura to dip and the whole Holo EN powder keg explodes
No. 437230
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>>437191>>437211Highly curious. I don't closely follow Aqua, Fauna, or Chloe, but as far as I knew, they were hardworking and had consistent stream output, unlike Gura or Ame who'd be more obvious choices for graduation.
Ofc no job is perfect but they literally got to play video games and make 6 figures a year. Something pretty wrong must be happening.
I feel bad but simultaneously I am ready for the shitstorm.
No. 437235
>>437230>literally got to play video games Like it's not just that. They have meetings, emails to follow up on inane shit, restrictions about what they can play because of Japanese copyright laws, work trips to Japan and idol stuff like concerts to work on.
If they can leave and take their fanbase with them and not have to deal with all the corpo shit on top of Cover taking (last I heard) a third of their donos, I'm surprised that more don't jump ship once they pump their numbers up. Kson is doing pretty well since leaving.
No. 437238
>>437235I'm sure that stuff is hard and annoying, especially if any of the talents are getting older and hoping to settle down and travel less. But I would still counter that there's not that many careers you can do full-time from home (outside from work trips) for 6 figures AND no formal education.
But tbh vtubing has been on the downswing for a while now. The writing might be on the wall. Aside from going indie, I don't think any talents would be insane if they wanted to go get a college degree or some type of formal job training.
>>437234Regardless of how you feel about randon (personally haven't followed him since he left holo) I think the clip seems fair. Sounds like what basically everyone in hololive alludes to, they just can't come out and say it as clearly as he can.
No. 437299
>>437235vidrel is laplus giving a breakdown of these things
>fauna graduatingi'm sorry for the nonas itt that enjoyed her, but i've been having fun watching the /vt/ melties
No. 437380
>>437379I wonder if some of the growing discontent with Holo EN/Holostars EN came from covid vs. post-covid expectations.
For HoloMyth, I imagine it was a pretty cush job - I don't think any of them were traveling back then. No expectation to fly to Japan multiple times a year to film concerts. Probably a few online meetings a week but otherwise, sit there and game.
I wonder if some other talents signed up, thinking they'd have that experience and it could even be a side job (like Sana doing it secondary to gacha artwork) but then expectations began to quickly change.
Being a full-time college student and streaming and having meetings a few times a week would be busy, but doable. But throw dance lessons and regular international travel plans into the mix, and it becomes way more complicated.
Rrats?
No. 437383
>>437379I don't think it's an issue, at least with Cover. We've had multiple talents pursue higher education and all have been allowed to take long breaks if they feel it's needed.
It was in menshi, but Kiara also stated today that the issue isn't necessarily the workload as, again, they're allowed to opt out of almost any event, the only thing she wasn't sure about was Fes. Not that she claimed there wasn't a
valid mangement based issue for talent complaints– she said there are multiple factors, in fact.
She wasn't able to get very specific but TLDR she said that the job, while having a heavy workload, is a relatively easy one for the high income they receive. But she also said that there are factors beyond those when it comes to leaving a job.
No. 438039
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Did we ever get confirmation that Gura aka Samantha Dillon Howard was one of the victims of David Matterson, convicted serial rapist in Nantucket?(obsessed schizo)
No. 438209
Time to doompost? I got shamed for it last time…>>437224
>>437299>>437380Comments on the linked YT video suggest Korean capitalism. I didn't know dance lessons were involved. If the talents have to pay for then it is that gets deducted, that's already a no.
Plus, they've realized that there's groundwork already done by people who recently went indie like Dokibird & Mint. Even Sayu. They'll never be broke.
Regardless of whether or not Hololive is neglecting them support offer whether it not the flights, lessons etc are a concern, they now know they don't need the company.
Plus, they are more than a few indies who are doing great thanks to having their own staff. Earlier it was Shylily and Shoto. Maybe a few ex- VShojo members like Nyanners. Now, even ex-Niji and ex-Holo members are finding their own footing. In terms of collabs, they get more options in the form of former co-workers. It'll probably be the same vibe but without a company taking money.
I guess the question is whether fans liked their personalities or just models.
No. 438372
>>438209If you're who you sound like you are, you didn't get shamed for doomposting. You got shamed for throwing random spaghetti at a wall to see what stuck while getting basic facts about the talents involved incorrect.
But that's beside the point. I'd agree that the past year has made indie vtubing a provably sustainable route for those who have an established fanbase but are unhappy with management. "Build a strong fanbase with corpo platform" -> "go indie and take full profit" has been the obvious emerging meta for a while now, though, even prior to the Dokibird situation this year.
No. 438710
Seems like all of the Aster stuff that drip leaked over the past year was legitimate.
>>438562Big utaite going vtuber isn't anything that crazy but mafumafu and soraru have both done a fair amount of it. If we're talking big seiyuu I know Ono Daisuke also used a rigged vtuber model when he interviewed with Roberu a while.
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how did this guy ever get accepted into a corpo he's a complete pr nightmare lmao
imagine vagueposting about the rumors of another member being a sexpest/sexual harasser is legit then backtracking and going "yeah im just stupid my bad"
No. 439058
>>438562Vtuber models are simply a means for people to stream without their human faces. KSon had one for just the face (not shoulders) for when she didn't wanna do makeup. Ironmouse said she used a model so people wouldn't see a sick person.
Utaite like nqrse, eve, etc have used it at one point or another.
If you look for old clips of VAs, they frequently have only audio and the image of the character they're playing. That's partially why Mikeneko didn't really have an issue there. VAs don't need to do face cam and some actively hide their faces so as to "not ruin immersion".
Even mangaka like Aka Akasaka and producers like Kanaria have Vtuber models. Shigure Ui is also a mangaka and I'm sure you've heard her famous song.
Point is, it's just a medium. Anyone who can afford a model can become a Vtuber.
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No. 439297
>>439292They're going to fire Twisty and claim that Aster's just a
victim of slander, calling it now.
No. 439439
>>439292Coming from the agency who let one known rapist walk scot free but got arrested an anti just for posting shit on 2chan or whatever I can only see this going awfully for the actual
victims. (Scarle, Twisty gets no respect from me)
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No. 439745
>>439715The noteworthy thing here is the uneven application of punishment for leaking. Back during the Raziel statement, it was abundantly clear that Luca had been the source of several past leaks, but Niji never so much as acknowledged the fact. It's odd that they're now making a point to say they're investigating unauthorized leaking. It seems leaking is not an issue when one of their big males does it repeatedly on the issue of internal drama and major upcoming events such as 3D, but DOES constitute and issue when a woman feels compelled to speak on sexual harrassment.
TLDR: given NijiEN's past treatment of confirmed leaks, it's reasonable to be suspect they're only mentioning a leaker in order to have somebody take the fall for the situation. Even if this doesn't happen, it's further evidence of favoritism from management.
No. 439772
I just wanna know why the fuck they didn’t drop Aster after the flopfag went after one of their top earning talents, Scarle. I can’t believe he’s got enough company clout to remain and just how much Scarle seems to be sidelined by this company.
>>439766Twisty would’ve done great in phase based off this
>>439743 exchange.
No. 439779
>>439293Shinri and Oga from Holostars have really low singing voices
but I wouldn't say they're especially amazing singers or anything. There's Chogakusei (a utaite who streams with a vtuber model and does lots of covers with Nijisanji JP livers), but he shows himself (masked) in most of his covers so that might be a deal breaker if you're not interested in real men kek
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>>440366two because flood ugh
No. 441664
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What’s your vtuber pet peeve, nonas? For me, it’s when vtubers use 3D models. Pic very much rel.
No. 442755
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Wish gura would come back, at least to use the cute 3D santa model like the other holo en girls. Doesn't look like it's happening though
No. 443035
>>443000>Produced by Mori Calliopei feel like i can't keep up with her sometimes. i listen to her albums and they're all over the place. buried under the soundcloud tier "electro swing rap" slop she puts out the occasional banger, or something like this, which i feel would be right at home as part of a video game soundtrack.
Wish she'd grow out of the other stuff and dedicated herself towards a proper sound, she's clearly capable of it
No. 443294
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>>443149Yeah, I'm not even a diehard fan or anything, just enjoyed watching her sometimes because she's cute and I like her singing, but the lack of transparency and communication for her breaks is definitely odd. She did do a member stream a few days ago but I'm not a member. At least she'll be in Ina's new 3D Live later today as one of the guest performers.
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sorry i don't really have anything to contribute but i just need to express how physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually agonizing it feels knowing i will never be loved by anyone like her. i have yoomed too close to the sun and now i must plummet to the earth
No. 443317
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>>443311like i'm only half joking, i had to take a long break from watching her streams and shorts because i would get legitimately depressed knowing that i will never know anyone like her irl. even when she's acting like a big dork and playing up being a womanizer she's still so effortlessly charming. i honestly thought i was asexual for a long time and never really understood the concept of fictional (or in this case pseudo-fictional) crushes before i saw these threads and got curious enough to watch one of her streams. now i wish i could return to such sweet, innocent naivete
No. 443416
>>443302>>443317Totally fair. Can't say I'm as deep in as you are but I definitely see her charms.
>>443294IIRC she went as far as moving to Japan last year, right? It's strange to me that she's stayed just as inactive as ever after that. Every other HoloEN that's moved to Japan has been the grindset type.
No. 443622
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>>441664When they can't finish the damn game.
No. 443779
>>441664Static hand shit like Gura's hands on her chest on her greek model or Calli's hand on her chin. I think it can be cute when they are like holding go a controller or something, specially hand drawn like Nene and Korone do, but those dead cutesy/demure poses are so annoying.
Absolutely 3D models for regular streams also.
>>441664 No. 444242
>>444115Gigi is truly a gem, I feel the same way about her. I loved the CC Christmas special recently too where Gigi drew all of the chibis that CC rigged for the guests to use, super cute.
I'm really going to be sad when Fauna leaves and we don't get more of her with Gigi. They really seem to enjoy each other a lot and I was starting to understand why people would get into duos like MiComet and OkaKoro.
No. 444462
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I've never like vtubers until I've seen this little guy. Seto Kazuya is just so unique, like tickles my inner gothgirl. I really love the music and covers produced.
No. 444472
>>444462Same. It blows my mind that the vtuber created the model. Very cute, smooth, expressive and love the spooky theme. Amazing talent right there.
>>444465Just because it's shota? I don't think they do anything that's coomshit unless you think shotas in shorts are automatically sexualized. Plus the creator is a woman so it's a hundred times better than all the loli vtubers out there especially ones with moids behind them.
No. 444508
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>>444502>hey, i'm happy for shota if only to piss off moids in vtuber fandom? shota doesnt piss off moids at all kek tf are you on about,they use to goon off their child rape fantasies picrel is the biggest example.
No. 444673
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I love it and I love her. Silly and adorable, hat reminds me of Korone's NY outfit vibes while being entirely distinct.
No. 444742
>>444678Cece is so cool! I like her DIY spirit while streaming overall even if she's not really my speed.
All of Justice had really strong new outfits, there are usually one or two in these genwide outfits that I find underwhelming (I don't like most of Myth or Promise's tbh) but none of theirs disappointed me.
No. 444887
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>>444742>All of Justice had really strong new outfitsAgree, I don't watch too much of them besides clips of gigi occasionally but love these way more than the messes that were advent's last year. Cece looks so clean and classy and i'm seriously impressed by her ambition with rigging, and I think the twintails on Raora is a cute look.
No. 444960
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Neuro sama is peak vtuber experience
No. 444977
>>444887I really hope they keep teaming up on cute projects given how all-around strong this generation is. They've got an instrumentalist, a singer, an artist, and a talented entertainer. It reminds me of the old days of Myth.
Except I actually enjoy them more. I feel like some of the members of myth were seriously oversold thanks to the COVID buff, as much as I hate comparing gens For example, I think she was great at organizing events and taking the initiative on introducing new tech, but I still think Ame wasn't a good on-screen entertainer despite how funny people seemed to find her (all she had going her there was funny noises…) Her decision to retire and move more BTS in the industry was a great choice IMO, no hate intended.
No. 447265
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I'm a female vtuber and I want to make more female vtuber friends. But every time a female-looking vtuber follows me on twitter, I go on their twitch and hear a male voice. Grim.
No. 447730
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Thought some anons would get a kick out of this.
No. 448328
>>447265Try reaching out to female vtubers yourself instead of waiting for them to come to you.
>>447730I literally forgot that Vox still existed since the Selen drama died down kek
No. 449808
>>449760He's chronically unable to stick with projects until they actually start bearing fruit (ditched Magni, ditched Lando, thinking about jumping ship on Caspurr now and planning to move to Japan) and struggles with an actual personality disorder of some sort (either bipilar or NPD)– he's talked about it rarely as Lando and recently had a meltie in menshi about it as Caspurr. Whatever it is it causes him to constantly flipflop between aggressive self-preening and bemoaning his victimhood as an unappreciated auteur. It's extra apparrent in the podcast he has with Bettel's PL though, best in jest, where they kinda just feed each other's mental illness on screen. It's all just him talking over and putting bettel down while they develop an eating disorder together kek.
Like Vesper is mentally ill too but outside of his menhera arc while in the Stars he seems to mostly keep it to himself in private and take actual steps to manage it. Lando on the other hand basically relies on manic episodes to produce content/feel self worth.
No. 450034
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>>448497The closest version of that I can think of is Kronii (kinda)
No. 451052
>>451038Mm, I'm curious about behind the scenes stuff so I do wonder what it'd be like to actually know them and ask, but I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything. I get a lot of joy out of my oshi and I think sometimes it's best not to look at what's behind the curtain if you want to keep enjoying something.
This does remind me that there are some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLs, though. One fan in particular had a massive meltdown after Bettel 2 got uncomfortable with her treating him like a husbando and blocked her kek
No. 451211
>>451052>I wouldn't say it goes as far as actually wanting to befriend them or anything.truth be told, i don't know that i'd be able to befriend them either but i put it there as to express that they'd be comfortable enough around you to share those kinds of things.
>some Bettellion that are absolutely insane about his and his brother's PLsas far as i'm concerned, i treat PLs as yet another persona. I was more going for the full "mask off" person.
I used to know some local streamers (small time but their following was in the mid to high three digits) a few years ago and they were actually so much nicer off camera.
No. 452953
>>450034The difference is she actually looks cool and this is a good design while the other one is horrible
>>450076This is how I feel about Ina but it makes sense in her case since she's an artist
No. 453364
Octavio's new outfit might be the prettiest male vtuber model I've ever seen. His mama really goes all out.
Gibby and especially Ruze were both misses for me, though.
>>452953Totally agree with you, I like that she and Ina also both have very cohesive style across most of their projects.
No. 453411
>>453375Same on GB's facial hair, the only saving grace is that it's minimal instead of looking like it was scrawled on by a child like Vox and Fulgur's. I really can't put a finger on why Ruze's outfit was such a miss for me… His mama is my favorite artist out of the four but the outfit just looks bad as a Live2D and the hair really does not suit his face? I get he wanted long hair but this particular style is not it. Jurard is whatever, I don't care in either direction.
All four outfits looked like they were high effort/budget though which I'm glad to see. I fully blame any inadequacies on the talents' desires and not on the artists as Armis had the best base models out of the three StarsEN gens.
And whew, you're so right. Octavio went full maestro on the outfit debut stream, the guy really puts all his effort into this job.
No. 453502
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I was impressed with the detail on Tavi's model, he looks so pretty. I don't watch Jurard much but I liked his outfit too, the long hair and glasses look really handsome on him.
>>449784I can't stand it especially because most of the guys I watch obviously egosearch in their respective threads and have even brought up shit on stream that they obviously saw there. It's so uncomfortable, I don't want to have to filter my discussions about them
No. 453889
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>>453591If you're talking about picrel I've seen those! I think they're cute but I personally prefer the more thin-rimmed ones on megane boys.
No. 454297
>>453889I guess everybody has their own tastes! To be honest I think I like the thicker rims because it makes him look like Grell Sutcliffe lol nonnies can say about him what they will but Grell is a nostalgic favorite.
The thin rims do have their own appeal, though. Especially with the quieter voice his new outfit has the vibe of a master tactician.
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https://x.com/Vspo77/status/1884182277682520145Honestly? Good on VSPO for actually enforcing their no-NSFW policy.
No. 455097
>>451051I feel like Fauna/Nimi also numberfagged her graduation way harder. Ame had been checked out for years, she went with that ambiguous affiliate option that no one fully understood and without stating any particular reason for leaving, and split her audience between youtube and twitch. I think most people just went "yea that's not that surprising I guess" and let her do her thing unless they were diehard teamates before.
Fauna dropped the graduation bomb pretty much at her peak with a surprisingly blunt and curt announcement that led a bunch of drama and debuted shortly after with a fan name that's one letter off from her holo fan name and while constantly talking about how she's "still" green and basically promising to continue her ongoing holo playthroughs with the same saves. It was super weird how she handled her graduation, I guess I might have a bit more corpo drone in me than I thought but I found the whole thing kinda distasteful.
No. 455705
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I don’t know why but I find it amusing that Nene’s back to having a Chinese-themed outfit years after dumping her original design
No. 456032
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>>455705It's well known that her OG outfit was a huge nerf for her but I'm glad they revisited the Chinese motif as I think execution, not concept, was the issue. The alt is adorable, too. I always love a jiangshi costume.
No. 457497
>>457304yeah..i'm glad she found success as Kronii, and she deserves all of the success she's gotten, but its annoying sometimes seeing people really force this "omg she's so feminine" thing onto her when that isn't the thing she really goes for during her streams.
It's giving feminization fetish, and i've had annoying moids try to do that to me back in my tumblr nonbinry days. (imo if people feel the need to identify as any kind of genderspecial, it's usually because they have a complex about their appearance and the way they're perceived by others due to their sex)
No. 457533
>>457497I think you're missing my point. When people say she's androgynous it seems like a cope because like another nonna said she's gone out of her way to undergo extreme cosmetic surgeries (which she claims totally aren't cosmetic, but seriously– who gets both a rib removal and jaw reshaping for noncosmetic reasons and then suddenly has an uptick in IRL people saying how hot she is afterwards?) She also started suddenly talking about how big her boobs are at some point last year.
I'm tired of seeing her shilled a certain way when she's clearly very into her looks.
>>457524Niji has tons of genderspecials both on and off stream.
Hana, Uki, and Melissa all actually identify as nonbinary IRL and Ryushen is a they/them character as well although I think IRL they're a woman. Mayuzumi was a trans woman IRL at the time he was in Niji. Genzuki has been slowly trooning out across his models and talked about his complicated feelings towards gender.
Anyways it's not hard to imagine why one might go to Holo though when it automatically means massive cash kek.
No. 457534
>>457510think about it. her job IS to sexualize herself on a daily basis to make money from simps, and she's been doing this for years.
eventually the character of Kronii might've actually sunk into her psyche somehow. When you play a role for so long you eventually become it. Imo its just a form of body dysphoria/dysmorphia thats presenting in another way, and it's probably the only way for her to feel comfortable playing the Kronii character without wanting to hide her models body is to change her actual physical appearance irl to be on the same level. (Idk i'm just throwing out psychobabble here)
No. 457550
>>457534Kek I'm glad you're self-aware but this was entertaining
As long as we're going off the wall with rrats I think her desire to id as something other than female also stems from the fact that she's clearly a lesbian or at least a female-leaning bisexual and sounds like she is, or used to be, one-sidedly in love with her best friend.
No. 458024
>>457870Kek I totally memoryholed Yugo, I mostly just feel bad for her in particular because she had a severely abused childhood iirc. I'm glad to see her doing better after Niji.
I didn't know that Aia was a genderspecial?
No. 458551
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Maybe it's nostalgia but I still like Ame/Dooby, even though she's fallen off a bit. She's goofy and not too try-hard. It's nice.
No. 459588
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posting this here since the /w/ thread is fullshondos (the pedo pander vtuber who calls women "holes") mother's supposedly tried to kill herself but she cant not grift this to her pedo moids for money, always remember that everytime you think a pedo pickme cant get any lower she can!
No. 462007
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>>459588>>461771She's fucking nuts and completely deserves the hate she gets
No. 462094
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Have you ever had a change of opinion about a talent, either negatively or positively? I used to avoid shiori because I found her cringe but when she started showing more of her genuine interests I actually found her sort of endearing, that + the snufkin yume sperging during her moominvalley vod kek
No. 462097
>>462007Pick me final boss kek. "My womb is eternal" do the men who watch her not realize they can't actually have kids with 2D characters and that her womb doesn't even exist. How is that even an epic own if real women are out there having children and your anime girl never will outside of your delusions and fanart or something. Even if you follow their own retarded logic that women are worthless if they aren't fertile it doesn't make any sense as that would mean by definition a 2D girl is actually more worthless than a 3D one because she can't ever give birth. Also the amount of copium these men must be on is really something, they can't actually get a gf irl or are just pedophiles but will pretend it's actually because real women are just walled hags. I don't know her age but I don't really understand saying this when you're just a real woman yourself behind the model as well, she's basically insulting herself because she's also a real woman outside of her vtuber persona.
>>462094Honestly I can't think of any right now, but your post motivated me to check out more of Shiori's stuff.
No. 462586
>>462027Amiya Aranha
>>462094Ceres Fauna
No. 462590
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>>459588Sad thing is shondo isn't even the worst pick me vtuber out there, picrel
made a piece of audio where she pretended to schlick to baby cp, with edited sounds of a baby crying in the background No. 463178
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>>463090>people are saying she dubbed over actual csem?There's technically "no evidence" of this as of now, but somebody did claim she had realistic ai cp on her computer which she used for her audios. She said this is true but she just took the image from pixiv. Idk what the image is but I imagine that could get her arrested in the US
No. 463869
>>462590>>463178>>462650recently saw this bittycat related video on YouTube.
Mizutamari and his friend isn't "technically" defending her but when they said "predators can be redeemed, they deserve hugs and kisses" i was speechless
No. 467391
>>467150Shion graduating… I feel like this is one everybody saw coming. I think it's healthier for her this way, both she and Haachama started way too young.
If I'm honest I more or less left the hobby after my oshi graduated even though she reincarnated right after. I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome. But with the way corpo careers usually go, it's not worth finding a new oshi, either.
No. 467515
>>467150speaking as a corpo enjoyer: they still have high production value events like 3d lives and shows, and more opportunities for interesting interactions between differing personality types like PekoVivi recently on the Minecraft server. i might like an individual well enough on their own, but the sort of thing only a corpo environment can provide is an entertainment multiplier.
as for Shion, she started back as a teenager when hololive was just a side gig where you goof off with dodos in Ark, but then here we are in 2025 with holomems having concerts at Nippon Budokan and singing for One Piece and Gundam. she’s also open about having ongoing mental health issues that don’t seem to be getting any better; she was on extended hiatus before and only really came back because she wanted to see off Aqua. I mean yeah, if you have her as your oshi, you’d have to be wilfully blind to not see the writing on the wall, but if you have, say, the bau bau twins who jumped in feet first into the current hololive and join every big collab event and 3d live, I don’t think you need to be too worried.
but in the end, corpo or indie, they’re going to stop eventually, and as a viewer it really doesn’t matter to me whether its from corpo machinations, personal reasons or they just got plain tired of it. i think the mature thing to do is to realize this is all just entertainment and to step back, enjoy their streams as they are and not worry about it.
No. 467633
>>466268Aofag here, I like this song
>>467150I'm just surprised it wasn't Gura first, she's always the one I think is gonna graduate next. Shion's default outfit was always one of the worst designs in Hololive imo, it was just too blatantly pandering to lolicons with the exposed mid riff and miniskirt. Some of her more normal alt outfits were cute though.
No. 467685
>>467391>I didn't just like her, I liked having an oshi within the Holo setup. So it didn't feel the same watching her all on her lonesome. Maybe not in Holo setup, but I feel like oshis collabing again will happen after they graduate. Eventually.
But mine are Mint, Matara and Michi, so maybe I'm too optimistic.
You're right about things being a bit different, but for me it's just that lockdown is over.
No. 467821
>>467685I think that's a big part of it too.
The thing I miss most about Holo are the big events to look forward to with a set ensemble cast you're familiar with. The indie scene feels like a big mash of weird crossovers with no coordination and I'm not into it, although I can see why others might be. The events don't feel the same, either.
No. 468030
>>467906idk about fsp but the holostars have quite a few fans here.
ive only ever been able to get into the stars among male chuubas, tried watching fsp occassionally after they debuted but they came off as really forced fujobaity. maybe that's changed.
No. 468204
>>468180I'm a fujofag too but I think it feels too much like calculated RPF for my tastes or something… I think it's funny to ship the male chuubas who hate being put in ships though. Different strokes for different folks, I'm glad you enjoy your boys.
Who's your oshi? I've heard like nothing about the 2nd gen.
No. 468205
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Nonnies who was your first oshi and who is your current oshi?
For me:
First was Sasaki Saku, current is Inugami Korone.
No. 468277
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>>468204Thank you anon! I'm really picky so I've oshihen'd a lot outside of FSP but Gale is my favorite guy. I like his high energy and his bits are actually funny, he makes me giggle like an idiot.
The 2nd gen is still very new but I like Malim, he's nice to fall asleep to (not in a bad way)
No. 468645
>>468205>First oshiSana and
Vesper. I have terrible luck lol
>Second oshiidk..i'm still on the lookout for someone that will actually stay, but also fits my sense of humor. I don't like squeaky clean seiso vtubers. If anyone has any suggestions i'd like it.
No. 468818
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>>468205My first oshi was Magni. I liked him enough that I tried to follow him after he left Holo but he turned out to be a disgusting coomer, surprise surprise moids are only tolerable when they are contained somehow.
Now the vtuber I watch most is Octavio, he is very ambitious and I like his music journey. His 3D is in three weeks and I'm excited to see how that goes
No. 468915
>>468818from what i've seen not!Magni is still having problems with starting too many projects and not sticking to them. I can see how going from that to Octavio, someone who also starts a lot of projects but actually sees them through to the end, must be amazing.
Who was that one girl that told him out in his comments one time then switched over to Altare and Shinri as her oshis? She was based.
No. 469303
>>469194what kind of doctor is Octavio? has he ever talked about it?
Med school takes a pretty long time to complete if you're looking towards becoming a physician (like 11 to 15 years)
No. 469408
>>469117I mean that goes for most anime and other media as well, not just vtubers or hololive. Sure there's a limit but it depends on each person how much they're willing to ignore when they get into media that is catered to a male audience, some people will just enjoy whatever aspects they like about it and ignore the moidshit. I don't watch Kronii myself but I've seen other women be into her just because of her personality or some funny clips they saw of her or something. And if you ask me it's weirder to be shocked that a thread about vtubers would have fans of the hololive girls when they're the most popular vtubers by far kek and what got most people into vtubing in the first place. I would only be weirded out if people here were into vtubers like
>>462590 or
>>462007 , not hololive girls with literal millions of subscribers.
No. 469462
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>>468205>First Korone, I think she's how I first got into vtubers
>CurrentNot sure. I tend to move around a lot nowadays.
No. 469502
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>>469462That korone outfit is so cute. It's my favorite of hers
No. 469508
>>469303I remember radiologist being said a lot around the time of his debut but I didn't every see concrete evidence posted for it.
>>469303Octavio is a doctor. I don't have it on hand because his fans pretty assiduously scrubbed their digging clean after people went too far with the investigation, but he has a post history dating back over a decade indicating that he's both in his 30s and has completed medical school. He had some of the worst opsec in Stars on debut.
No. 469612
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Harsh, I knew her family has a history of severe mental illnesses. Sad to have a mother die regardless
No. 470372
>>469992Don't really watch her much but from what I've seen it seemed like she kind of had an accent? Not sure though.
>>470363Kek I have the same problem. I feel like a tired boomer when I see them talk. Plus I'm socially anxious so I struggle to reach out to other people. One aspect I envy about vtubers in companies like hololive is how it seems like they instantly get access to a bunch of female friends into the same things (vtubing, games, weeb stuff) by just joining the company and doing activities together.
No. 470384
>>470372Ah, 100% agreed. Sometimes I wish I was in Hololive just to make friends with similar interests and goals. Especially when events like the expo roll around, it's very sweet to hear about them excitedly meeting each other for the first time and sightseeing, performing together.
Speaking of which, I'd also really like to attend the expo one year and watch my oshi perform. But going to such an event as a solo female traveller sort of intimidates me.
No. 470549
>>470384Yeah it's cute seeing their interactions and how they get past the language barriers sometimes when it's the JP girls interacting with ENs. It seems too stressful for me as a job though, all those eyes on you, having to learn how to sing and dance, streaming consistently (well, some of them don't, but still). I don't think I could do it besides as a hobby even if it seems like a nice way to meet female friends.
>solo female travellerI'd be scared too, would probably drag a family member with me just to not be on my own kek.
No. 471193
>>471184I agree with this NijiJP has a pretty laid back fanbase (or maybe it's just becaise there's such a broad selection to find what suits you from).
Nonnie complains about StarsEN's fanbase but I feel like StarsJP has it even worse due to the confluence of idol fan mindset with people who constantly feel their idols are being slighted by management.
No. 471578
>>471565Not too bad, but the NijiEN males at their peak were comparable to the HoloEN girls in terms of CCV and income, and they generally fall at about a quarter of that success currently. They haven't recovered, although they were falling off steadily for a long time before the Selen drama.
I think a big part of the issue is that they came into a thirsty market with something that wasn't being provided, but the NijiEN males were like… Let's be honest, the majority are kinda talentless and unmotivated compared to, say, their corpos heavy hitters on the JP side or the Stars. So they weren't able to sustain the platform. If Zael had come in during that era and been properly supported I think he would have done really, really well for himself and maintained that success in comparison.
No. 471747
>>471699I feel like the significant East Asian fanbase that left wasn't Japanese, it was Chinese and I'm still not entirely sure why. But from what I saw it was definitely Chinese gachis that generated so much profit for Luxiem during their peak.
Maybe they moved on to Virtuareal and other native creators but I don't actually closely observe the Chinese fanbase when it's not intersecting with English spaces so I can't say.
No. 471999
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Chibidoki used to be the only Vtuber I watched because I don't know many Vtubers and she's silly instead of blatant coomerbait/lolibait. But then I discovered the model she used before her chibi big headed one… I'm so disappointed.
No. 473495
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Lol I wish I could make fun of the unicorns crashing out over Shiori collabing with Jurard but I kinda get it when it's Jurard. He's one of only 2 Holostars I just won't watch even in collabs. The only good thing about him is his model.
No. 473498
>>473496OkaKoro are fine, nonna is referring to how current Okayu is unrecognizable compared to the Okayu we started with.
I similarly used to like her the same way I liked Korone, they had good game taste and were relatively unsexual streamers anybody could get into. Korone is still the same but Okayu's become very male pandering in recent years.
It's different enough that I've even heard complaints from the male side of the fanbase who were formerly into her for being a tomboy or whatever.
No. 473516
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I always laugh at the body proportions of Kronii's 3D model, it's so goofy
No. 473567
>>473516Kronii's fullbody design was so bad it made me fully sober up and start disliking Wada Arco's art. Although to be fair I had also recently quit playing FGO.
>>473549Gibby, I don't think he's as bad as Jurard I just think his content and style is in total incongruency with what I like. He also burped and such in his early streams which was just a gross turnoff for me.
I also just find both he and Jurard chronically unfunny along with having annoying voices.
No. 473606
>>473601Yeah to be honest it turned me off during the first round of collabs back with the Tempus debut. I watch Holo to enjoy female friendship (if that makes sense…?) and the vibe is just different with the male collabs.
It's unfortunate that that aligns me with men who feel cucked or maligned in some way by male collabs but what can I say. Men in chat are easy to ignore when I never open chat to begin with, a retarded moid on screen is actually obnoxious.
No. 474397
>>474075LOL Okay I forgive her for the crime of collabing with Jurard in that case. Will definitely be watching. I still want her and Octavio to do a weird/gross facts educational stream or something together one day.
Also it's hilarious that she's apparently just going full steam ahead with male collabs. Good for her doing what she wants, although I have to wonder what
triggered the sudden change in protocol.
No. 474473
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sorry for pl shit but this was from jurard's old channel
No. 474834
>>474679I gotta wonder if she was actually making that much money, though? She's not one of the popular members of Hololive by any metric so I'd assume she's just making a decent but not extravagant salary. Taking the kind of action she has in those circumstances doesn't seem financially motivated.
I do feel like Liz's entrance to Holo tested the waters again re:Stars collabs after the MagVes graduations rendered them more or less taboo outside of Bae collabing with Bettel and Shinri that one time. It went alright for Liz so maybe Shiori just feels comfortable doing something she's always been interested in.
If she keeps collabing with the Stars I'd be interested in seeing if it seems like she's already friends with amy of them. I want to see the unicorn meltie that would ensue kek it'd induce significant paranoia that all their oshis talk to the Stars behind the scenes.
No. 475442
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Don't watch her but Kronii's new outfit is cute
No. 475518
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i still dislike the breast focus but it's overall pretty tame and cute
No. 475679
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inb4 another graduation
No. 475962
i wonder if it's the literal song and dance routine that gets to the council girls, like sana, fauna, and now mumei, that makes them want to leave. i don't know about kronii but as far as i can tell, bae seems to be the only one that's all-in to the non-streaming side of holo that she actually moved to Japan for it and does her own dance choreography.
>>475679same, after sana i couldn't really find myself to be upset about it and just want to watch the fireworks. maybe she and dokibird can hang out now or whatever.
No. 476052
>>476001Mumei's design is one of the best in the EN vtubing sphere imo. Not too horny, yet not too bland.
Rivals Korone in that regard, so it's sad she'll be retiring it.
Even if she were to redebut, I don't think anything can beat it.
No. 476056
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>>476052Exactly, it was a nice design. Her hoodie on picrel looked comfy and cute. I also liked her default outfit, casual and new years. I wanted to draw her at some point and was meaning to get into her content but now she graduated so I guess I'll just have to do that even after she's gone.
No. 476094
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>>476052mumei's design is one i would recognize immediately for holo EN while cute but not overdesigned. it may be the old in me, but her emo costume is one of my favourites. as for other EN vtuber designs, Inanna Bell's fairy design is also really pretty to me. the best designs outside of EN i've noticed are probably from the korean, mandarin-speaking and spanish-speaking sides. too bad about the language barrier and timezones
No. 476121
>>475962IDK Fauna I didn't believe but when Mumei says she liked the idol element, I believe her. Over her tenure in Holo she actually did evolve into one of the best singers in Holo so it's evident she's been putting in the effort behind the scenes.
I'd sooner speculate it being a combination of her health issues and issues with management than the job content.
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>>476094I thought it was cute how she and Fauna had matching emo outfits.
>>476117Lmao yes if even the coomers took notice you know the change was extreme, though loads of them in the comments are saying they like it and she probably makes bank off of them by pandering like this. Her latest outfit was coomery again too.
No. 476194
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>>475679I never really watched Mumei that much but I liked some of her songs and liked her clips. It's sad to see her go. She didn't have a big coomer design either. Council it's cursed.
No. 476493
>>476467I think because there's so much to lose the experience associated with your oshi when a corpo vtuber graduates (their brand as well as all of the relationships they've built up, the events they can participate in, etc.) people really don't want to believe there's an issue with the corpo.
If your oshi is the one leaving though and herself states issues with management, though, and you choose the corpo over her, you're retarded.
No. 476684
>>476524No, it's just a newfag.
I have a feeling some of the responses regarding Shiori are tourists.
No. 476788
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>>476467It's probably because they feel guilty that they're supporting the company and want an easy way out so they don't have to feel bad about it. People especially these days have a hard time accepting they like something flawed, so they always have to cope hard and tell themselves nothing they like could ever have any problems.
No. 476842
>>476788It's definitely a coping mechanism. When the Selen bullshit happened, there were a ton of comments and memes putting COVER on a pedestal: the responsible supportive YAGOO vs the evil black company Nijisanji yachtman. Having multiple graduating holomems directly citing management as one of their issues pokes holes in that narrative.
>>476794You know, hololive uses this one guy for 3D videos, and I never liked them because I find the animations have this uncannily awkward movement to them, but I figured he got work because he was a fan and was willing to get paid under market rates kek
No. 477033
>>476881I think the reasons depend on the talent. Some of them have genuinely just been doing this a long time and might be looking for a change of pace striking out as an indie with an established huge fanbase. In Fauna's case, it was known for a long time that a)her manager sucks ass and b)she dislikes the long trips overseas that have become basically mandatory with the job exiting the pandemic. So exit seemes natural for her. And so on.
I'm not saying this to defend Cover because I'm neutral on them at best and most times critical. But I think an inherent issue of corporate vtubing is that once a chuuba gets big enough and establishes her paypigs, it's almost always going to be a better deal being indie. A lot of people don't seem to consider that factor because they weigh things like friends within the company and such too heavily, but when you think of it like any other job, employees aren't going to stay with the lesser deal just because of their work friends or whatever.
No. 477170
>>476954corpo: Gigi, Korone, Suisei, Fubuki
indie: Clauvio, Rin Penrose, Grimmi,
No. 477206
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>>476112haachama had a phase where i thought she was going full coomer when she started doing r18 art reviews and had increasingly boobier outfits, but in retrospect i think it was just more of her shock value gimmicks than a real attempt to male pander. still fucking awful though.
>>476889honestly this is probably the boring but most likely scenario, that its the culmination of years of bullshit than one decisive event.
also lol about the holowitches thing. put it on the pile along with blue journey, error and alternative. man who in cover is greenlighting these weird projects, they all smell like something a focus group would come up with.
No. 477383
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>>476954mota, she's a fujo, chill, and best of all she doesn't do the retarded vtuber girl voice.
No. 477660
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I just saw the stars' roomates and I not the same.
No. 477663
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>>477662ugh, it's kind of annoying how fucking ugly the enstars are. Even the ugliest JPStar at least has a decent hairline.
No. 477679
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>>477663I will say this, David Bowie here is okay, but I still can't stand his Vtuber Voice he uses.
No. 477697
>>477687I kinda agree because once I associate a guy with a real moid it kills it for me. It's not even like I've ever given any of them money I just prefer to think of them as some new format of character and not actual people.
I care a little more about the wellbeing of the people behind the girls I guess but when it comes to the guys they should be as fictional as possible.
No. 477698
>>477660I immediately knew this had to be about Octavio lol.
Flayon, Ruze, and Jurard are the only ones who even approach being conventionally attractive and even then it really depends on your taste.
No. 477973
>>477698Flayon? I thought nyfco was down. Tell me where you're getting your info
nonnie.
No. 477984
>>476954Most ex niji girls. That was what made them great. Michi and Matara went to VShojo so they have some of the boobiest designs out there, but they're still the same personality wise. I can personally relate to Michi talking about being uncomfortable around men.
Mint went for a maid outfit and is still going karaoke, which I personally liked. Doki is, well, Doki. Mint and Doki don't do the big boob model, so if design matters, they'll be great.
No. 478585
>>478524filtering for who though, creepy fans? i don't think the chicken voice will stop that, so long as you're a woman on the internet.
tangentially, risu from ID complained a few weeks back on youtube and twitter that she doesn't get that many opportunities compared to other members, but i can't help but think it's because she commits to the goofy squirrel voice on top of her dopey squirrel design. she has a great singing voice, and everyone's impressed with it during holofes, but then she goes back to talking about nuts or whatever afterwards on her streams and i dunno. i feel like part of why moona and kobo in comparison get more attention are due to their universally more appealing designs and personas, risu in comparison has a huge debuff in both those aspects.
No. 478593
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>>477973>>478584I came across it on the /co/ board when the April fools thing was going around, since /vt/ rules weren't enforced, some schizos went wild, I saved as much as I could, here is the full image from the cropped one I posted before.
Viewer Discretion Advised.
No. 478619
>>478616His looks cancels out his jobs
nonnie. He needs to do 75 days hard plus a trip to turkey.
No. 478638
>>478593Flayon
>hot face>hot body>nice voice>cute model>dresses well>well groomedHe just had to be a sex pest to cancel out everything. I'm gonna keep seethewatching
Wish nyfco or elysium baby were still up so I could find how FSP look cause I got interested after that one german stream No. 478974
>>478926I loved her path to defeating Sans years ago, it's what originally got me into her.
I get the impression she's another that's sort of changed these days, though. Her lack of familiarity with otaku culture elements was her charm point for me but it was inevitable that that would shift after so many years in a top vtubing company.
No. 480148
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>>480146It makes me wonder how does Gura or older fans feel about new Holofans trying to call Biboo the DMC queen, when Gura was known for loving DMC and streaming every game (down to getting cameos from the vas) from the very start. I am convinced that Biboo fans are the new generation of Gura fans.
>biboo tax is better than maitake danceAh yes, some recycled redditor joke is better than Radens cutesy music video…
No. 480413
>>480371Idk, what are you looking for out of the experience?
My favorites are Korone and Sasaki Saku, since I like to see variety gaming that doesn't just follow the latest fad and competent gaming. Korone is goofy and streams a lot of retro games, she performs well on the idol side of things too if you're into that. Sasaki Saku is a Nintendo fangirl who plays their games from way back to current day, I don't know how to describe her personality succinctly. She's like a weird ungrateful animal that still expects you to feed it.
Vidrel is my favorite Korone longclip. Sasaki isn't clipped that much by EN clippers.
No. 480604
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>>480371watching vtubers is the same as watching any other video content creator. As a veteran vtuber fan, I would say its worth it! But sadly, because of vtubing becoming mainstream (and avg vtuber fan being a man) its a lot harder to find a good vtuber to watch. If you were to watch an indie vtuber, i would recommend searching for people who have lower viewership and don't overshare their life on twitter (the first red flag ((you might know yourself since you are on lc)) are vtubers who spam on twitter all the time, there is even a name for them called vtweeters). Just find someone who is playing your favorite game or does hobby/art/crafts and start from there
I would love to recommend my favorite indies who do not pander to men at all and are being themselves, but i worry that vt moids might be lurking this thread.
I can recommend some corporation ones, though
HoloEN:
>Ninomae Inanis for (especially!) Art streams. I love her first year art streams where she practices and improves with you. She is actually an established artist now, drawing illustrations for light novels (one of them got an anime adaptation recently). You might have seen her works for arknights and azur lane, too. I like her chatting streams and game streams, like Bayonetta for example. She is very lovely but she does not stream a lot because she has 2 jobs.>(graduated, now is Nimi Nightmare) Fauna. She is a smart woman who has a lot to talk about, i enjoy watching her play Sims 2.>Ouro Kronii. Professional voice actress, you might have heard one of the many of her voices in indie Yuri/Shoujo Ai VNs. She is an amazing girl and honestly I think she could be a farmer. Amazing jokes, witty as hell, the most lovely doomer there is. She does not like her own models design for clear reasons, but in hololive they choose talents for already finished designs. I highly recommend giving her a try, her dynamic with the girls is amazing (eg Gura collabs are always great, and i dont even watch Gura).>FWMC dual-streamer twins. If you are into idols and otaku culture of early 2000s-mid2010s, you will love them. I cherish them a lot and they are an extremely heartwarming duo. They are not for everyone, but I was rooting for them to get into holoEN after the other corpo booted them out. Their original song called BAU DOL explains them perfectly well imo.>Kiara. Now she is not for everyone, in my opinion… she holds her fanbase tightly and is one of the most tryhard-hardworking talents there is, but i am not a fan of vtubers who put parasocial aspect to the max. If any nonna can correct me, lmk. I havent watched her in 2 years >Baelz. A sweet fujofan who is, in my opinion, the most talented holoEN when it comes to live performances. You should check out her concert performances, her voice and the way she dances is awesome! One of the people who 100% deserved to get in.Now, I will tell you to avoid Phase Connect (everyone other than Tenma, at least) because this corporations CEO pays dramatubers and 4chan jannies for the PR (and treats their talents like mud bts…), and thr only thing the corporation is known for is that most of the girls are pandering to 4chan and kf while bringing women down.
No. 480733
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>>480148>I am convinced that Biboo fans are the new generation of Gura fans.Oh yeah a lot of them are for sure. I think a lot of Gura's old fans went to Biboo the second Gura became more inactive to fill that void, since they seem to basically mostly only care if the character is a cutesy loli and don't really have much of an attachment to Gura herself.
Speaking of Gura though, she just posted on her old account (picrel) so that's causing a stir right now. Might just be her trolling like she's done before but I also wouldn't be surprised at all if she's actually graduating soon.
No. 480747
>>480739Ah, yeah, you're going to have a hard time getting information on Niji males in particular in this thread. Best of luck, though, I do feel for the people who lost a space to ask questions when NYFCO went down.
Niji's men have always had a more rabid fanbase than Holo's so it's surprising to me that the Stars got more than one dedicated space post-NYFCO while NijiEN's males got like…Nothing.
>>480733I want her to leave already kek, I get why it exists but the backlog of talents who are obviously primed to go but are in stasis is so annoying. It'll be better for the bandaid to be ripped off.
Speaking of which, aren't we mostly through the talents that seemed like likely graduates? Aside from the ones that have already been announced, I feel like only Gura and maybe Ayame remain.
No. 480765
>>480733I recall people theorizing last time that she was graduating and assumed she just did it to remind her company of the influence she still has in her pl. Like taking a new offer to your employer and asking if they can match it.
If she does graduate, she'll likely have a bigger crowd than Doki, asking for collabs and interviews. Not just in the Vtuber sphere either.
Doesn't she post on her old twitter randomly these days?
No. 480771
>>480604Excuse you?
Pippa's collabs with girls are fun. There's one where she's talking to Filian AI (linked).
No. 480773
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>>480747Yeah, it'll kinda suck to lose her model since it's one of the more recognizable designs in hololive but being left in this limbo of wondering when she's leaving and hiatuses also sucks so I'd prefer if she graduates soon too if she's leaving. I can't think of any other girl that would graduate either outside of the ones we already know.
>>480765She wasn't really using it (her last tweet is from 2022) but she did change the description on her profile a while ago and apparently followed some people, which also got people suspicious that she might be graduating soon.
No. 480781
>>480765>If she does graduate, she'll likely have a bigger crowd than Doki, asking for collabs and interviewsI wonder about that. It happened for Doki because doing it made you look like a good person who was on the right side of things.
Maybe if Gura suddenly bowed out of Holo, but the way she's trickled out, I don't think the hubbub will be so big.
No. 480788
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I fell down to my knees…
No. 480790
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Also here's the Niji(some at least), if you want to have a laugh or whatnot.
No. 480808
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These are some of the Phase girls, I'm not sure or believe that moids will drool over ex camgirls/rejected models/ex adult stars/right wing pander.
Not for the faint of heart to be Vtubing
No. 480810
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>>480798You're correct but it should also be noted this particular graphic goes out of its way to use the worst possible photos for every liver kek. Aia is actually very conventionally pretty after getting her jaw surgery ages ago and Nina is also a stacy.
No. 480968
>>480718>Hajime whose affinity for dance immediately captivates even the most uninitiatedyou know, i'm glad someone else thought this too. i like Bae as a person, but i felt like her dance skills were overhyped by EN fans after she didn't wow me as much as Bancho did. it also low-key pissed me off how EN fans would also backhand Bancho by commenting things like, "ooh, Bancho dances? maybe Bae can teach her a thing or two!" as if she was some amateur and wasn't an accomplished dancer herself.
i really thought Bae was going to be the breakout talent in council, and was subbed to her for the longest time, but her weird Baewatch project was a wet fizzle, none of her original songs really stand out and i even stopped watching her regularly when she and Fauna spent too much time getting scared in a menu screen of that mortuary game instead of, you know, actually playing the game. you're right, she lacks that certain something, but i still actually admire her hustle and at least it seems like she's doing ok in hololive.
No. 481264
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>>481093It's funny seeing the moid crashout on 4chan, but tbh, she and most of phase connect cultivate these manchild audiences for themselves. Her twitter picture is egregious.
No. 481368
>>480413>Sasaki isn't clipped that much by EN clippers.Didn't some NijiJP livers ask not to be clipped? Not sure if this was Sasaki specifically, but I recall Ars Almal asked not to be clipped because she got sick of overseas fans spamming her chat with "big face". Consequently I think NijiJP never really courted the overseas fans in the way holoJP did, so even the big NijiJP talents like Tsukino Mito are pretty much unknown. I can find recent translated NijiJP clips if I look for them but they only have a few thousand views compared to the hundreds of thousands translated holoJP clips get.
>>480689I notice the soft-spoken talents like Watame and AZKi easily get over 10,000 ccv even for superchat streams. I guess they're just nice to listen to in the background than having a HAACHAMACHAMA screaming in your ears.
No. 481458
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>>481357alright i'll take the chance. im vibing with Kaelix so much rn.
No. 481655
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https://x.com/nijisanji_app/status/1910621342535475689New male duo for JP announced.
A while back they were having auditions for males with backgrounds in skilled professions outside of content creation (like doctors, hairdressers, etc.), this is likely the result.
No. 482008
>>481655All vtubers should be over the age of 30 I hate zoomer vtubers who only play the fad of the month even in JP all churning out the same exact content with marginal spins of the personality commenting on them. I don't watch EN slop or males anymore so I don't know about the rest of what you're seething about.
Also pretty sure they hired "professionals" just for the initial marketing zing and in hopes of doing something fresh. It's not the selling point to me, but I kinda get it, like I do respect Sukoya Kana a lot more for being an actual nurse whose intelligence reflects over in her content.
No. 482055
>>482036Wow, had no idea. I guess I really don't stray outside the bubble of my favorite talents… Thanks for the heads up,
nonnie!
By the way, which NijiJP talents are easy on the ears for JSLs? Poking around outside of my unintelligible oshi, I've only found Hoshirube easy to understand, but his content isn't really my preference.
No. 482084
>>482008lol I don't think age is the right criteria here. Bijou is over 30 and the biggest skibidi zoomer dipshit as they come. Raden is in her early 20s but is a certified curator so she actually has interesting things to say outside of otaku and gamer shit.
But I get you about the same exact content with marginal spins of a personality thing. I see my feed and its all holo and Niji and indies playing Monster Hunter or that car game or scary indie game and they just all blend together now. My oshi plays the same games too and honestly if she had debuted today instead of years ago I probably wouldn't be watching her.
No. 482114
>>482084Lol, you're very right, I actually feel bad for inadverdently dismissing our queen Raden. It really does feel like finding a needle in a haystack searching for vtubers with both effortful, unique content though in addition to entertaining personalities and tolerable voices.
I think we mostly do recommendations based on the talent personality here but I'd also love to see more based on what they create.
No. 482192
>>482084I was starting to somewhat tolerate bijou, but finding out she's over 30 has been so fucking weird. Totally ruins any "oh she's just a retarded young person" she had going for her (in my mind).
>>482114What they create would be interesting. I saw Shiori do some interesting streams, like her thrift donation one or the sin confessions, but her thumbnails and stream titles can be so weird/coomery it turns me off from checking her out. I don't want to be assaulted by pandering.
No. 482261
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>>482192I don't even care that much about IRL ages, I mean, Korone has several years over Bijou but she has her own brand of silliness and it's endearing. On the other hand, Bijou's sense of humor seems like it was scraped from the front page of reddit or TikTok and that's just a cringe too far for me.
No. 482306
>>482217vidrel had good chemistry. and towa's acting in this other one cracked me up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vy2kIKmDJU you can comb through sukoya kana as well as Suo Sango's trpg playlists for campaigns and non-niji youtubers you might enjoy; in the corpo scene, there were holostars-hololive and niji-holopro cross-collabs.
No. 482312
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>>482261I love Korone, this was too good and perfectly matched her character.
>>482280It's just that the guy is a giant, she's actually pretty tall for a woman if you look at her next to the other members IRL.
No. 482321
>>482192Ah, I had the same issue trying to get into Shiori early on. Especially since back then it kept feeling like she was heavily courting a unicorn audience.
But contentwise, what made me not stick with her was that there felt like there was zero depth to the quirky interests she tried to spin into stream ideas. She didn't actually know much about literature outside of an narrow interest in the mystery novel that was, even within just that, still not well read. And the streams where she tried to show off scientific or strange interests only conveyed shallow information and often ended up with her herself not being sure of the things she was presenting. It all felt overly intentional in cultivating a weird nerdy girl aesthetic without actually inhabiting the persona.
Compared to, for example, Nene and her uncontainable passion for raising beetles or Raden and her breadth of arts and culture knowledge, something is really lacking. The only thing Shiori really had going for her was that she'd sometimes choose games off the beaten path that leaned more into horror/psychological elements, but even then, Fauna often dipped into the same while being more engaging.
No. 482529
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I've been casually watching Korone for a couple months, but her recent 6th anni live made me fall completely in love to the point that I want to have an oshi again for the first time in a year. I know she has a lot of fans here, what are her best streams that you'd recommend to newcomers? I'd especially love to see her creativity at full power!
No. 482534
>>482529she has so many great streams its hard to choose. i love the cuphead streams she did with Okayu years ago.
I also really loved her warioware GBA, and Donkey Konga streams
No. 482782
>>482217I'm not super into TRPG stuff, but these Katashiro streams done in 3D were fun:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0SNK9gKZgKs_mFt3g0TPMET_racwmuacSukoya does a lot of acting-related content in general from what I know.
No. 482848
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I went from oshi'ing Vesper until his graduation and just wandering looking for a new oshi the past 2 years till I found Kaelix.
This guy just seems like a walking green flag and the viewer experience is like night/day.
Weird to have an oshi that actually communicates with his fans, makes an effort to connect with everyone, and actively works to improve himself and his content. It helps that he's such a sweetheart too.
It's only been a month though, so maybe things will change (hopefully not unless its for the better), but so far i'm glad he's here and that I found him.
No. 482850
>>482848I'm really happy for you
nonnie! I know what it's like to not be able to click with a new oshi after losing your original one… And having a true oshi currently active really brings so much light to one's life.
No. 482851
>>482806Back when NYFCO was up, and last time I checked it (I think in 2021) she was 35 or 36 years old, so she'd be close to or actually 40 now. I've always found Okayu's age surprising because of this, but it's fairly well confirmed iirc.
I hope I'm as energetic and fit as Korone when I'm 40. You can really tell she takes care of her health in her performances, she's so bouncy and active. Iirc it's because she does kickboxing as a hobby?
Another PL fun fact is that she's apparently divorced.
No. 482856
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>>482854rambling ahead
For me, he gives off a calm somewhat mature vibe that doesn't come off as too soft, but he's also very playful/silly and imo has a lot of charisma that's hard to ignore especially in collabs. Everyone in NijiEn seems to have a great impression of him so far.
He's also very creative too (he animated and mixed his first debut cover) so doesn't seem like he'll run out of interesting stream ideas anytime soon.
I'd give his zatsus a try if you're interested in him given you were into Vesper. Dude knows how to yap. or watch the April fools stream he did this year that another anon posted itt if you have 40 mins to spare
>>477757 think this shows the range of his creativity when it comes to streaming
atm he seems to also have boundaries with his chat, and what he wants his community to be like (he already explained chat rules in depth which is a great green flag).
If you have a twitter you should check out his clip tag and see for yourself, but I think if you don't mind that he's a bit on the younger range. (Zeal is the actual ojisan in this gen) you'd be pleasantly surprised by him i think.
>>482850aww thanks! it feels great really. kept trying my hardest to get into other vtubers but nothing clicked with me at all, thought I was never gonna find a new oshi again haha
No. 482858
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looks like /vt/'s closed
No. 482859
>>482856Thanks for the spoonfeed nona, maybe I will check him out. He sounds cute. I think everyone should gush about their oshis here. It might help other people check them out.
>>482858I think 4chan was hacked. I imagine it'll go back to normal within a few days. Let's hope they don't migrate over here.
No. 482884
>>482858Unlikely to happen but if it shut down permanently it would actually be the healthiest thing for vtubing kek
Pointless outside of being a cesspit for the worst fans since they're so strict about PLs that it's not even a useful resource.
No. 482952
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RIP in piss /vt/
No. 482971
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I guess i'll start the hornyposting
I need to leash him and call him a good boy so bad, you dont understand. make him my loyal pet that'll do anything I tell him without question
No. 482972
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God, I hope this sticks. 4chan has been a shambling corpse for the better part of the decade, so mercy killing it could give the internet the shake-up it needs.
No. 482973
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>>482971gods i love him
>>4829724chan died after the 2016 elections anyways, so I dont mind it being killed permanently
No. 482974
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>>482970just do it girl. stop caring too much.
No. 483002
>>482979I don't know which threads you're referring to. The one on /g/ does not allow vtubers.
Also, I didn't see you complaining about Ao posts.
No. 483095
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kill me i hate being vod gang PLEASE FFS STREAM EARLIER IN THE AFTERNOON YOU CUTE FUCK
No. 483149
>>483144Damn, I thought you might be kidding but it's for real. I know she's been soft-graduated for years and I don't personally like her, but I still feel like this is really a nail in the coffin for vtubing, or at least Hololive as we knew it the past few years.
Curious what will come next for her. She's giving up a job where she probably just basically has to be a figurehead and collect her 6 figure checks.
No. 483152
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>>483144Getting it done while the monkey park is down it out will be such a majestic "fuck you".
No. 483165
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>>483149You get used to the loss after a while. Those who were there to witness the vtuber golden age 5 or so years ago know that the recent ones ain't it.
Surprised she would full on graduate, though. I imagine Cover would gladly keep pumping her wallet just to lay claim to her and save themselves the bad press that will come from it.
No. 483207
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>>483157Isn't she still the only one whose properly just left vtubing
No. 483209
>>483196Nah, Hololive would have been finished ages ago if that was the case. None of the talents that've left have been unexpected.
I think it's good that they're finally leaving, not because I dislike them but because it's better for everybody to be able to peacefully move forward without the will they won't they stress.
No. 483220
>>483217Ina is the most likely but I don't think even then that she's likely to graduate soon. Calli and Kiara are with this company to the bitter end at this point, they're probably the least likely to leave in the branch.
After Gura though, I can hardly think of who would be next the graduate. She was the last of the predictable departures, everybody else has been doing well lately.
Anyways after Gura, there's nobody with a fanbase large and insane enough to look forward to melting down with a grad. Maybe FWMC but I doubt they'll ever leave kek
No. 483226
>>483222Imagine the delicious Ruffian tears when they do go, though…
This is just Holostars catching strays with no basis on facts but I think a Bettel graduation would be similarly entertaining.
No. 483237
>>483217Mori has a UMG contract exclusively through Cover/Hololive, I can't see her dropping that.
My bet is on Kronii or Ina
No. 483245
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At least Nimi is streaming tonight.
But I'm gonna miss talking in /uuu/
No. 483249
Curious what the reason for so many people thinking Kronii might graduate is. Ina I get because of last year's big incident, but I feel like Kronii's very stable these days.
>>483245Aw, it makes me happy knowing there was at least one other female
nonnie in /uuu/
No. 483277
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>>483149Gura would always feel forced to mention that she has health problems without ever elaborating about them, which imo have always sounded like an excuse.
When Ina and Mumei had their health issues, they both made sure to speak about it to their fans and (in Mumeis case) other holos would confirm about it.
I remember Inas Chatting stream before her break awhile back and she would mention the reasons being her health and burnout, going into details about her health rather than just saying "health" without adding anything (like Gura did everytime she was forced to). In Mumei case, everyone who actuallh watched it knew that she got covid that turned into long-covid, which have strained her voice greatly (other holos would talk about her health too and say how they miss her even long before her graduation) and you can actually hear the change in her voice everywhere (esp her last cover). Meanwhile, Gura… Girl, just be honest and say that you wanted to leave 3 years ago. So much for always talking about how she "works on big projects", for it to turn out to be your comeback to old weed-driven persona.
>>483263Marine have had her own vocal issues ever since ~last year? Two years ago? You can easily find her clips speaking about it.
No. 483279
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>>483274She's been working with the shartards to plan this for months. Wake up
nonnie No. 483283
>>483277IDK, I was told that Marine herself said she's recovered healthwise a while ago? Can any nonnies confirm this?
Really sad to hear it was long covid with Mumei, I had no idea. Kudos to Ina, I remember that long stretch where it really felt like she might graduate and everybody in Myth seemed super burned out… But unlike Ame and Gura she actually came back.
No. 483292
>>483283Marine has been struggling with some weird health issues lately
https://x.com/houshoumarine/status/1906618350102589896Apparently the problem in her eye got so bad she was wearing an eyepatch IRL too now lol.
But even before that she had already been less active in terms of streaming for a long time, mostly focusing on bigger projects.
No. 483310
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>>483276ntayrt, but when Advent debuted I legitimately thought, "ok EN's a lost cause to me now" because here we have three talents talking like they're voicing in a shitty 4kids dub. Nerissa and Shiori were just sort of there.
Today, Nerissa and Shiori are still just sort of there, but FWMC I admit were at least amusing in things like holoGTA when they actually had good back-and-forths with the JP members. Bijou though, ugh, she's the first talent I actively dislike because she was never clever or amusing, just defaulted to her "I'm cute so I did nothing wrong nihongo wakaranai" shtick, and that's before you add on the pedo pandering. I swear, the reason she moved to Japan wasn't for work but to fulfill some latent weeaboo fantasy, because she'd just be some Twitch weirdo back home but now she can roam around Akihabara or wherever and say "I'm a real loli now".
Myth and CouncilRyS were my jam but now I can't even stand to watch EN because of the association with this retard. Like I trust nonnies that Gigi is fun and creative but when I read an EN fan type "BOAT GOES BINTED" in a JP member's chat I just want to bite my tongue off.
No. 483321
>>483314Actually this has always been my defense of FWMC even though I'm one of the anons who called their speech retarded upthread– Korone is my oshi so it would be retarded of me to actually hate them when a lot of their strong points are Korone's strong points (minus the coombaiting). They're hard workers who are genuinely extremely passionate about their niche interests, and whether I gel with their speech or not, I don't hate it. They truly love and have an encyclopedic knowledge of idols and old otaku culture to the point, and Mococo in particular get autistically sensitive about specifics because of it. That's relatable.
Biboo though? Absolutely substanceless babble. I think she'd be alright as a friend but I genuinely don't know what she offer as a streamer or content creator other than the fact that she's constantly streaming. I have to assume her appeal is the 100% uptime of CGDCT for people who are into that, but it's incomprehensible to me. Don't pebbles have, like, things they want to do with their lives?
No. 483325
>>483314The fact that Miko streams in Japanese is what makes her work better than FWMC and Biboo, though. The culture is different and consequently so is the humour. She's actually funny and in collabs she's a strong tsukkomi (which unfortunately I feel like Subaru stopped being?) I also think FWMC work best when you think about them in the culture mode of JP streaming.
Bijou isn't funny, though, unless you're a zoomer. I guess a zoomer can defend her kek
No. 483328
>>483321>specifics because of it. That's relatable.Biboo though? Absolutely substanceless babble. I think she'd be alright as a friend but I genuinely don't know what she offer as a streamer or content creator other than the fact that she's constantly streaming.
I don't watch her either but as far as I can tell her thing is being a "hardcore gamer" and acting like a child. Regardless, I feel like that goes for a lot of HoloJP as well. Remove the classic idol aspirations from Aqua and what did she do? She was never a particularly unique or smart or highly performative streamer, she gamed a lot and generally acted cute and that made her one of the biggest pillars of hololive during their early growth. Biboo doesn't seem that different to me although admittedly I never watched a ton of either of those two.
No. 483329
>>483328 (me)
Oopsie, screwed up the quote. Don't know where that came from.
(tourist newfag) No. 483343
>>483149Never liked a lot of her fanbase and the pandering to lolicons, but still sad. She's undeniably an icon in the vtuber scene, had a simple yet instantly recognizable design, a good singing voice, goofy sense of humor and a natural charisma a lot of the other girls just don't have. Vidrel is still one of my favorite hololive performances, her and Korone's voices go together really well.
Pretty funny that 4chan is down today of all days like other people said though, would've been funny to see the meltdowns.
No. 483349
>>483343I've always loved vidrel myself…
I don't really dislike Gura, I think she was a good hire and huge reason for the EN branch's success early on because, as you said it, she has a lot of natural charisma. A unique, skillfully used vocal talent with wide appeal was a huge boon as well. Not everybody, no matter how hard they work, has that "it" factor.
No. 483397
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>thank you for pouring your hearts out to me>>483395Lol it honestly felt ai generated off of the previous grad statements
No. 483400
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can't wait for people to post the black company allegations, screenshots of cover stocks and then for things to go back to normal
No. 483407
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>>483403https://desuarchive.org/a/chunk/278106615/500/27/ i don't know enough about ghost posting to even tell you what a 'chunk' is but the replies to this are a bit funny
No. 483575
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>>483555I miss shitposting with the girls.
All those memes… all those memories will be lost in time like tears in rain.
No. 483603
>>483217>>483220Kiara is a weird case where I wouldn't be surprised if she was here for the next 10 years or if she was the next member to graduate. The only guarantee she gave in the same membership stream was that she won't be graduating in this year for sure.
SEE
>>476889Also adding to the speculation that graduations could be individual based management frustrations, in her last stream Kiara disclosed that her upcoming 3D live concert was delayed by 1 year (it was suposed to be in 2023), then she recorded the live to be released in December 2024 - the idea was it to include all HoloEN as guests, and she had a performance with Fauna recorded as well plus some of the setlists where performed in the 3D Santa outfits because December.
Management then delayed her live again to Spring, April 2025 and because Fauna had graduated by then, she had to remove that performance and the Santa outfit performances from the final setlist. Mumei also was excluded because she wasn't sure if the new 3D live date was going to be before or after her graduation.
No. 483610
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>>480739Is this about Sonny? II am a retired Vtuber watcher but he used to be someone that I loved above everyone in the vtubing space and still do. I think his absolute most best VP in my opinion is his Halloween one. He wrote the script and I think it’s the type you’re looking for in terms of yume content. If you want some voice packs, I have a couple and can upload them with a password attached somewhere. He was 18 or so around the whole sketchek fiasco (his getting kicked out also motivating his reason to do what he did) so he’s in his late 20s or very early 30s now IIRC. He does work out and he lives in Australia. He is on very good terms with his family and his big sister in particular (who’s I think more than 5 yrs older than him) babies him lol. Don’t have any recent photos cause I’m not the type to stalk Facebook pages for that stuff.
Overall a really cool guy. His story of complete social retardedness and neetdom to where he is now is one of the things that inspired me to address my own stuff and get back to school. I hope you enjoy him. If you have anymore questions just ask me.
No. 483693
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>>483610Nonna you're my savior… Thank you for all the answers. I'll buy the halloween vp. Admittedly I never yume'd like this for most of my oshis so I don't know if all vps return at some point but if they do, I want to buy the ones with romantic tones myself. If some don't return I might need help… I have a lot of questions, please ignore me if I start to sound insane. Do we know his actual height? I noticed he didn't seem to be looking down at Uki in 3D who's listed to be around 170cm in his profile. I thought there's no way Uki made himself to be that short if he's not actually short but who knows. Sonny also doesn't look small or short in that one handed cooking video so I'm confused. This one will sound stupid but is he white, asian, or wasian? I saw his pics and he looks like he's all of them kek I also feel the same about his redemption as a recovering neet myself, so I'm interested in knowing more about his thoughts about his family, is there any stream or a general time for streams where he talked about his family or his struggles around that time? I'm so late to the party, I don't know where to start with catching up to know more about him… Who are his oshis? Did he talk about any other jobs he had? Is there any specific reason/story for his want to be a big brother figure others rely on?
Does he have a type for women… Not that I'll find and date him but you know… I just wanna know I'm slowly watching vods and clips and I really enjoy his streams but I feel like he doesn't talk a lot about himself. I can't tell if he doesn't have much going on or if he's just good at separating his personal life and work.
No. 483796
>>483783The only flare up she's had in recent years was when management fucked up her visa last year and she wasn't able to do any work during her Japan trip, which likely cost her and everybody involved in planned projects a ton of time and money. I think she's been alright other than that.
People just keep tossing around Kronii and Ina's names because they don't actually watch the agency and stretches and spikes of vocal discontent no matter how relevant they are to current status stand out to them.
No. 483811
>>483783Kiara confirmed in her stream today that all three of the remaining Myth members are sticking around and are not currently in talks to graduate, so you don't need to worry atm. She also heavily hinted the same way that Calli did that Gura's graduation is the last one they know of, which should mean it's the last for the foreseeable future as they knew about all three of the latest EN grads around the same time.
>>483803I really wonder, I think this might just genuinely be what Okayu is like now. It seems more like she gained confidence in herself sexually (which like… I'm not a fan of the outcome or the source of that but whatever) based on things she's said about how she is now and what she would like to be like as she ages. I've seen her PL pics and she was heavy prior to debut and stuff so I don't know if she's like Matsuri and had a glow up and decided to be super sexual or what.
No. 483816
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Raden is closing her superchats
No. 483830
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LMFAO
No. 483936
>>483919Cover is the only big corpo that gives an actual salary to its talents, not just superchat cuts. They also get the cuts from all of the sponsorships/appearances and merch. Probably means that Raden thinks she is getting enough right now.
I personally think that Gura and Ame got kicked out this year simply because COVER couldn't stand paying money to a person who have done jackshit over the past 3 years, especially if you check that COVER have hired a lot more people last year.
No. 483937
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>>483897It's gonna be Nerissa
No. 483944
>>483937high risk of graduating
>constant breaks>complains about bts work a lot>can never stay to their word>doesnt put out actual schedules consistently>cant adapt to travelling to Japan every yearat least, thats what i've noticed
No. 484202
>>484201>repsI meant recommendations.
Anyways, gender doesn't matter to me, though personally I like a good mix of calm and goofy personality.
(learn2delete) No. 484205
>>484201Thanks! Good to know about Miko, I think my JP isn't good enough to understand her, uh, unique manner of speech yet but she definitely seemed funny back when I was still watching clips. I'll have to check her out once I level up some more.
>>484201I really like Kagami Hayato, he's a pretty wholesome and goofy guy who's a veteran if the utaite scene and makes a variety of off the beaten path game choices. You also get a lot of fan content since he's a member of ROFMAO, although for me I just like that we get the weekly variety content through that.
This clip showcases his personality as well as some of the fun JP antics well IMO. Basically the two guys are not able to be heard by guests, who don't know thy're there, but Ririmu can only say what she's instructed to.
No. 484222
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I used to watch and enjoy Tenma since a lot of anons here recommended her. I haven't seen her in a while, but I follow her on twitter. Sometimes she reposts very loli-esque artwork. Has she become more coomer in streams, or was she always posting artwork like this?
No. 484382
>>484222Have you not seen her design? Every retweet of her fanart is going to have loli-like qualities. The choice is clear-cut: either you vibe with it or reject it wholesale.
That said, she's the only Phase girl I have any sort of appreciation for and if she wasn't attached to the cancer that killed vtuber discourse, I'd be supporting her in a heartbeat.
No. 484391
>>484222She was pretty anti lolishit the start but she has started pandering to the moid coomers more
who are all 30+ mind you after continuous "pomf" jokes and her playing the rpg with literal beastialty in it I've stopped watching her
No. 484403
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>>484382Ehh idk, I always got the feeling she was leaning more into the "petite adult woman" thing since she was stuck with an unfortunate loli model. Some art she's reposted like picrel conveys that more.
But if that's too much splitting hairs over minor details or too much artistic liberty changing her body type, she could also just not repost coomer artwork. Every corpo vtuber has plenty of cute fanart to repost that isn't lewd at all.
>>484391That's gross, that's what I was worried about. I feel like there are some talents in Phase with decent potential but a lot of them end up appealing to the grossest demographic of moids because that's the image Pippa has set up for the company.
No. 484441
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>>462007She looks more normal than I was expecting
No. 484457
>>484441i didnt know grimes became a vtuber
and its always the uggos isnt it also i hope child services keep an eye on ellies little sister because after her mum and grandfather who looked after her being dead i dont trust this pedopanderer being around a actual child now (considering she has posted irl photos of herself and overshares every little thing like the cow she is)
No. 484463
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>>484457Yeah I hope she doesn't end up doing something to her sister, she's been a creep for awhile
No. 484476
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>>484464i still don't believe that, it's most likely she said that for sympathy and to take heat off of the the michael cat situation.
>>484463does she have 2 sisters? because it's weird for her sister to still be 9 after 6 years.
https://x.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/1899862996249162066 No. 484698
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>>483319>I tried getting into her streams, but I think Cece and Raora are the standout streamers of their gen.What do you like about them, especially Raora? Advent was a miss for me so I haven't been keeping up with EN, but I just checked Justice's sub numbers and I'm impressed that Raora has practically caught up with ERB (508k vs 511k), because it seems all people talk about when it comes to Justice is either ERB or Gigi. Maybe I'm missing out by not watching Raora kek
No. 484749
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This is nasty moid pandering behavior. Sorry to anons who like that they're aidoru weebs hardcore otaku. Idc if they're talking about legit ice cream, the subtext is clear.
No. 484770
>>484756Iirc their family is pretty wealthy. That's how they were able to take private Japanese lessons and screw around in Japan doing irl aidoru stuff for a few years.
>>484767Ntayrt but the whataboutism is unnecessary. Grown women playing lolis and doing baby voices on the internet is gross. Grown women playing teenage-ish looking doggos on the internet and doing baby voices while acting like theyll totes enter a polyamorous relationship and play eroge with incel male viewers is also gross. If you enjoy FWMC then that's fine but don't expect this thread to worship them. It's regressive and gross in just a slightly different way than blatant lolicon.
No. 484784
>>484746I remember reading the story in part. It's finished? Please spoonfeed me just once.
On another note, I'm surprised he lasted that long. While Vox was talking about graduating in solidarity, I thought that it wouldn't be shocking if Fulgur actually did it.
No. 484794
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>>484784He said the blog will stay up so you can read it whenever you want.
>legatus505.blogspot.com I forgot about Vox saying that, who was it about? Surely not Selen?
>>484741Not a recent fan (I used to watch him but not for a year or so) but I listened to him talk about it and read the letter he wrote. He talked about how it was obvious that he was struggling a lot with his own creativity and actual grief in his life. As far as I can understand the fans knew he was going through a lot and he has been playing games about or talking about death and grief a lot. He mentioned a project he worked hard on fell through but I don't know if the fans knew it before this. He also talked about how he felt like he was pulling Noctyx down because of his disabilities that limit what he can do with them, which has been a struggle for him mentally since long ago. All in all I'm glad noctyx ended up visiting him and he had the confidence to put himself out there for them.
Kind of worried my oshi in noctyx might graduate but he talked about them like the three have plans for the future, so I comfort myself by believing he wouldn't be so hopeful about their futures if one of them mentioned considering graduating as well.
No. 484823
>>484767This lmfao I feel like they're not any worse than Kiara or Pomu. They're both also just weeb women who made it in the only industry they could actually do something with them.
Speaking of which, I actually dislike Kiara's moid pandering a lot as she simultaneously goes out of her way to make sure everybody know she's a lesbian. I appreciate a lot about her but it's a particular dissonance that feels disgustingly commodified.
No. 484850
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The unique and disgusting thing about Fuwamoco is the twincest shtick. This is certainly not artwork I'd personally post of my sister and me. This is on top of the babbling baby voices. They act as stupid and annoying as loli vtubers, their models are just slightly taller and boobier.
I think anons who are going to be triggered by their favorites being critiqued should go to r/Hololive and have a circlejerk echo chamber with no mean comments.
No. 484869
>>484861I thought that was weird too, men call them based because of it since they wanna preserve the idea they could have a chance with them and they're "pure" idols for not interacting with males, but it was just kinda awkward really. I guess they knew their fans would possibly have a meltdown over it considering how these types tend to react when they interact with males and their background with idol stuff, but still. It's way too extreme to just totally give them the silent treatment and it came across as odd. If you say this men will tell you you're just a seething stars fan or whatever (I don't even watch them) and want FWMC to be whores and cuck them with them though, as if just acknowledging their existence= fucking them kek. Men are so insecure and sensitive.
Also I agree with
>>484851 No. 484875
>>484869Exactly. Stars are just part of the same company. At bare minimum I would not want fans that can't handle the knowledge that I have male coworkers.
We know from other Holofest anyways that it's not like the genders are hardline segregated backstage even without co-ed performances going on. Moids need to face reality.
No. 484882
>>484879It really seems to be up the the talents and Cover itself IMO takes a neutral stance to allow that self determination. Koyori is one of Holo's top earners even though she's not that popular with non-Japanese fans, and a big part of that is that she has a ton of gachis, so I'm not surprised she'd say something like that.
I still think Shiori doing a slowburn bait and switch on male collabs is so funny. Forget Gura graduating, I'm glad 4ch was up with that happened kek.
No. 484938
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>>484749Tbf this is a popular ice cream literally called oppai ice cream that's been around for decades and notorious for doing exactly what they've described
No. 485072
>>484794I don't know if that's sarcasm, so I'll act like it isn't. Yes, it was Selen. Imagine going from that to the black stream.
It's nice to see Doki with Mint, Matara etc. I wouldn't be surprised if that extend to Fulgur's next life.
No. 485083
>>480793Most of these pictures are from Nyfco pages. Enna was Shannon.
There's probably pictures of LemonTeaBops out there somewhere. She was cute iirc. She looked normal on Nyfco.
No. 485154
>>485111Incorrect.
He worked with Riku Tazumi and Vox Akuma. Plus Millie, Elira, Ike. It'll be hilarious if they Collab and he starts mentioning all the ways he couldn't participate in company culture due to his disability. Or was denied sponsorships/opportunities.
No. 485241
>>484956I have been watching this video on loop. I am not a Gura fan, per say. However, if she’d pull out this kind of stuff when she was in I’d be a big fan. I have Reflect and Q on my playlist aswell.
She did a great work and I am glad she collabed with Casey Williams. Afaik she’s huge into Devil May Cry.
No. 485499
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Cute
No. 485529
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Can't wait for 4c to revive itself so we could stop having this pointless infighting in the thread. I want to do nothing but support my girls and hear other nonnies talk about them. Vtcucks, please kill yourselves.
No. 485649
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>>484442Here she is with less makeup
No. 485759
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>>485529Same,
nonnie, same.
No. 485900
>>485736"Omg you guys I'm always mistaken as a child irl. I shop in the kids section. My model has the exact same proportions as my irl self it's not pedophilia" is the worst genre of vtuber babbling.
Shiina (in
>>480808) pulls this kind of thing constantly. I think at best she looks like a normal early- to mid-20s Asian woman. I don't think she's being mistaken as a 12 year old nearly as often as she claims.
More likely that people are mistaking all of these vtubers as special ed adults because half of them don't wear age-appropriate clothes and/or don't shower regularly.
No. 485904
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It hasn't been discussed much here but Kaminari Clara of Phase Connect is a loose cannon on her personal instagram account (@kerupani) She makes multiple pro-trans insta story posts and posts complaining about republicans and trump every single day, even though she is a Canadian woman living in Japan. She also made this disturbing post about hoping women die during childbirth.
I don't personally like trump either but it's probably best to avoid specific politics in this thread. The point is that Clara has lolcow potential and makes multiple inflammatory instagram story posts a day.
Apparently Clara has beef with Jelly and some other Phase Connect members because they're not pro-trans.
No. 485927
>>485920Ngl but it's getting kind of old for the past few days that anyone posts some vtuber drama, there's an immediate reply of "this is nothing, there's lolicon vtubers out there."
There's plenty of roasting of lolicon vtubers in the thread, scroll up like 2 or 3 replies. If it's not enough for you then bring some fresh milk or contribute to the discussion.
I don't think a vtuber not having a loli model makes them exempt from all criticism.
No. 486025
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Nimi showing off her full model for the first time soon
No. 486044
>>485515I never said that, I wasn't the anon you were originally replying to like I said in my post. I think she pandered to lolicons to some degree sure, but it's still retarded to assume her entire fanbase and anyone who just casually likes her songs (like the anon you were replying to) must automatically be a lolicon and calling them a lolishit or whatever.
She's the biggest vtuber on the platform afaik which means a broader audience and a lot of random casual viewers rather than solely lolicons despite the lolicons also being a part of her fanbase. If you could think beyond black and white extremes and actually paid attention you would understand this and not immediately accuse anyone who likes some aspects of her content of being a lolicon. Even random baseball normies know her because of the Hololive Dodgers collab, are they all lolicons too solely because they casually enjoyed her singing at that game and watched some of her streams afterwards. It's just a stupid insult to throw at that anon and makes you look retarded.
>>485992Agreed, idk why people keep confusing this for a milk thread when it isn't supposed to be one.
No. 486062
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>>486025so same artist as Fauna, no wonder it took a while to get done given how busy a lot of the pro artists get. honestly she looks kind of plain, but i like it better than the overanimated bobblehead, that one was just way too distracting.
No. 486063
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kek
No. 486065
>>486062It looks ok, I prefer it to her model as Fauna.
>>486064Didn't know that. Looks goofy
No. 486070
>>486062>>486061Probably my favorite corpo reincarnation so far, although Doki's redesign with Selen's mama is also up there.
>>486063Kek she should have committed to 4 ears and kept the tapir ears in the bald ver as well as thr human.
No. 486071
>>485904Having beef with Jelly is based, that woman might be the biggest pickme in a company of pickmes.
Hilarious seeing somebody committed to actual liberal leaning takes enter the company, though. I always thought you'd have to be either an edgy reactionary or the most politically defanged woman ever (as in, the kind to have no real takes until she gets a boyfriend whose politics she absorbs by default) to join the company.
No. 486076
>>486069kek the chibi model was too deviantart for me so i never took that close a look. i hope she puts that thing out to pasture and never uses it again
>>486070i wonder if Dooby would've gone with Nabi if she didn't go scorched Earth on all her socials. as it is Dooby's model is just so painfully generic i don't even recall who the designer was.
oth Rica/Mel didn't go with Ayamy for her new model even though she's still pretty active so i wonder if there was a story there.
No. 486081
>>486076I'm really surprised to hear about Mel, I remember her mama crying on stream after her termination because she was so broken up about all the things she wasn't going to be able to do with Mel now.
And same, I love the concept of dooby's design but I think the style and a lot of the execution is painfully generic. There's the argument to be made that simplicity is better than ending up with another Michi Mochievee (every time I see her I'm impressed by how fucking bad she looks) but I think jerboa train conductor was a super cute idea that wasn't capitalized on.
No. 486085
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>>486081>Michi MochieveeNta but I didn't know who this was so I googled her out of curiosity and…Kek you weren't kidding this is an awful design
No. 486119
>>486085when people in the awful character design thread say that something looks like a Vtuber, this is the kind of thing they're referring to lol
>>486117i have zero interest in Vshojo so i have to ask, what's with this kevin thing and why is he so bad?
No. 486135
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>>486085Isn't this pretty much standard? I got that vibe after Hololive "idol" designs. There's just a jacket on top and it's not white.
From the cosplay scene, it's pretty clear that outfits tend to be a bit over the top. Is this an Iris situation?
No. 486137
>>486119video not related to kevin, just thought it was kind of cool. anyway, kevin's very overrated and is a bit of a prick who blocks anyone who criticizes him.
>sells weird assets like the alarm whistle in loli god requiem>sells public models that included all of his previous clients' psd so anyone can steal the client's vtuber model if they wanted>reusing templates and not telling clients >changing the artist's design without consulting to fit his template>lets mistakes go into the final model in riggingon another note, if there are any aspiring vtubers here, there's a free customizable vtuber model with a inky style you can try out
No. 486250
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If we're talking about Vtuber designs, Kaela had her default model changed recently and I dunno, maybe I liked the dress, silhouette and color combination of the old one but the new one seems like such a downgrade. Though, I like to think she changed it because she got sick of the forced penguin/Holotori jokes (idk I don't actually watch her).
No. 486301
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Nijisanji should put a sample for all voice packs cuz I like claude's voice but I know he's one of them fags that think straight fan service is gay so he probably winged even the rise and shine theme as platonic roommates but I also don't want to miss it if it actually is romantic.
No. 486330
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>>486250Sidegrade to me. I didn't dislike the original design aside from Yasuda Suzuhito's usual bizarre way of drawing boobs, but I get why it might not have been her cup of tea– and her proportions were in definite need of a retuning either way, they looked especially bad in 3D. The newer design is still cute and if she's happier with it, I'm happy for her.
Picrel is by far her best outfit, though. I wish it was her default lol.
No. 486337
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>>486330I personally love this one. And i agree, her artists way of drawing chest is downright horrible. No wonder every other outfit makes sure to hide it; but i can also imagine that she is the type to not want to show that part of the model at all; her persona is more on a tomboy side
No. 486350
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>>486085her model was one of the ugliest looking things i've seen in a while when I was watching her debut, though i think it was the rigging. It was twitch vtuber physics x10000. Her new model is much better at least (until it goes to her lower half)
>>486081Dooby's model straight up looks like she brought it off of Fivver. the concept is creative but it's so bland to look at
No. 486482
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Who is your oshi, how exactly did they become your oshi and what's the thing you like the most from them?
For a while, I used to avoided her because I thought she was just coomer bait and didn't have much beyond that, but then a clip of her talking about physics popped up and I found it endearing and from there it kind of just snowballed until I started watching streams.
I love how passionate she gets about random things her and enough trust to tell us things about her past, like the time she donated her entire manga collection collection as a kid kek.
No. 486600
>>486302I don't hate it but I guess what I don't like about it is how it feels a little too practical. When I look at her other outfits, there's some elegance or flair to them like in
>>486330 and
>>486337 that's missing in the new default model. I think I wouldn't have minded so much if it was an optional casual outfit but as a marketable design I feel like it's a bit too basic. But eh, could be worse, she could be using that dumb loli model.
Speaking of Kronii the impression I get is that she doesn't like her default model either. Wonder if she'll want the same 2.0 treatment down the line too.
No. 486622
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>>486600This one is her fave for a reason, its geniunely perfect. But i can imagine that its hard to tell whether her artist would do a great job at redesigning her or not, since her artist is known for being a fan of drawing fanservice designs (if it wasnt any more obvious). Holos dont have a word in their default designs when they debut, but they all discuss the new ourfits together with the management and the artist.
No. 486826
>>486704For costumes sure, but as far as I can tell, the only time holos got new artists for their main appearance were the OGs before the Gen system was in place, like Miko and AZKi. Everyone else so far has stuck with their original artists. The only outlier in recent times is Vesper but lol about him.
Plus I really don't want Kronii to lose Wada Arco's distinct style. It'd be like Pikamee who dumped her iconic GYARI look for a generic skeb model that I smdh whenever I think about it.
No. 486861
>>485904Didn't her stories, and yuming about loki fan fics, paints that she'd be a tumblr style liberal. it would be very weird if she was some republican.
>>486071I wonder how they deal with the necessity of being a pick-me for the job, and how do they relate to each other IRL.
On the trans thing, I don't push to my libfem friends who haven't peaked, and I guess they do something similar to maintain group cohesion.
No. 486899
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>>486836I simply adore all of the IRyS outfits after her upgrade. Sadly i have stopped watching her after she got her 2.0 because she started lewdbaiting like there is no tomorrow… Hopefully she calmed down back then. But i still miss the old days where she was just a girlie…without any stupid fanservice
>>486896>>486897You can easily spoonfeed yourself. It's literally hololive's MMORPG for hololive fans where they can collect things, interact with the talents and watch their concert.
No. 487185
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decided to check out Caspurr's model debut out of curiosity. Magni had bad rigging, but this is just meh to look at… watching him just reminded me that I made the right choice in dropping him
No. 487210
>>487186I haven't watched a lot of her but I really liked her during Bettel's GTA streams. Really different than what I had imagined her to be like in a good way.
>>487189This was such a nothingburger kek. People were really nitpicky about her tone and timing but it seemed like a reasonable sentiment about the overall slew of high profile grads to me.
No. 487221
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The tweet nonnas keep referencing
No. 487228
>>487221she has a point, but i think fulgur's case is different because he did seem emotional about it to the extent he and millie had to speak up about it and why it was so. but i do agree with geega that it's weird to act like they'll never come back. some unknowing fans might not realize it and think they are gone forever though. sure, copros may nerf the personality a bit to fit standards, but 90% this isn't the case and they'll still be more or less the same in their next incarnation and they can just watch them again. if you'll never watch them again because they left, then you only liked the avatar and company so i can't say i understand the grief on that part, as insensitive as it is.
if fans are sad about not seeing in-company collabs anymore, i think niji talents are allowed to actually collab with ex-talents on stream as they've done it before at least on the JP half. not sure if hololive allows it so i can understand if holo fans might feel worse about it. but it's not like friendships just disappear either because it's not streamed and you can always move on.
No. 487229
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>>487228I think she's cognizant of that too given the follow-up she made. I agree with her overall, at the end of the day it's leaving one job and likely ends in the chuuba showing up in a new form doing the same kind of work. Acting like it's the end of their life the way some fans do is excessive.
No. 487236
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Mumei's last hologra was so sweet…
No. 487241
>>487228No one thinks they're "gone forever", some people just separate the "character" from the "performer". Yes, if we want to see them again we can seek them out to see more, but I don't like conflating vtubers with the person inside. I do think there's a difference between the contents "within" and the "self" they present in their current vtuber incarnation, no matter how small it may seem. It's the death of the character they're mourning— the loss of the design, the intersecting lore and interactions with coworkers, the overall presence of them in the company itself, etc.
I understand my sentiment is an unpopular one though, at least in the EN sphere, where both fans and vtubers alike seem to see vtubing as nothing more but a silly little gimmick of an avatar.
No. 487251
>>487185i have not seen anyone say anything nice about this model so far, it is super bland especially compared to the magni design that prompted a ton of lore. i clicked through the cover he made and i'm not sure if it's sweet that he included stars pls or if it's blatant baiting and going "see?? remember i was a star too!". i wonder how long he will be sticking to this now that there is no next big thing to wait for
>>487223i don't doubt that bettel seriously considered it too, he seemed to not start any projects between the grads and his 1 year anniversary and he seems to actually hate his fanbase
No. 487261
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God, Scarle's model is so pretty, but I feel guilty to like it because it's just a "spicy latina" stereotype, but done to such perfection. I wish there were more vtubers that pandered to this non-weeby kinda of niches.
No. 487283
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So Chloe might be coming back as a… dolphin? Amagai Ruka(雨海ルカ) is debuting tomorrow and already at 135k subscribers. Apparently she's going to be debuting with another, Appare Hinata (天晴ひなた), to form the unit WeatherPlanet. What the hell that is, no one knows for now.
Also she's not actually confirmed yet to be Chloe's new form, but being another marine mammal illustrated by Parsley with a funny catchphrase (ざっぶ〜ん/splash), it's more likely than not.
No. 487308
>>487283man this model is so boring looking.
I also think the Chloe model was cuter when the mask was on, helped her stand out. But she basically turned it into emo phase Noel by keeping it off the majority of the time.
No. 487310
>>487251the model just looks like a rushed job (which is a shame because the artist he got for it can genuinely draw better. idk what happened here), and the design in general is overly complicated without it making sense. For ex., the holes in Magni's arm looked strange at first, but it was able to be weaved into character lore that fans could speculate on. every part of his design had intention.
With Caspurr nothing about him inspires any theorizing. It just looked like he desperately wanted a pretty boy model.
No. 487311
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Good god.
No. 487321
>>487311kek seeing scrotes seething in the replies and quote retweets of that tweet was the funniest shit ever especially considering they're the first ones to call people slurs or rape
victims or some shit
No. 487332
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>>487308If I'm being cynical, I'd say it seems like it was designed to be safely marketable by a focus group, like they pointed at Suisei and said, "yeah something like that".
No. 487474
>>487332What is with that emphasis on the thighs? Kek
Seriously though: I'm glad posture are just going ahead and re-commissioning their mamas. It leaves room to use old stuff that may be lying around, like colourbent Dokibird & Mikeneko.
No. 487496
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>>487311""""Jokes"""" about raping children to a fanbase who actually wants to go out and do that irl? Keklulz, she's just epic and edgy and le based lolituber. You normies can't handle dark humor. Gtfo out of anime.
Jokes about her dead mom? WHOA WHOA WHOA slow down there buster. That's really dark and insensitive, isn't it? I mean, raping kids is one thing, but speaking ill of a dead person? Hold the heck up!
No. 487752
This 45 minute clip of Astel is getting a lot of attention so here's a TLDR, just keep in mind that I watched it once and I moved the order of what he said in some places:
>StarsJP lacking a theme is their downfall
>in Hololive the recent gens had themes unlike the previous gens because times have changed
>predebut Astel suggested a unit but management dismissed it, later debuted 3rd gen as a unit and because of the unit concept's success they wanted to change 2nd gen to a unit but it was too late, everyone was used to working separately
>Roberu and Temma got individually popular and Astel is in a limbo (these three make up the 2nd gen)
>some ask for collabs for the 2nd gen but there are obstacles like different stream styles and times, different fanbases. If they debuted as a unit they would have kept some stuff similar within themselves and have easier collabs
>it's easier to collab for a project given by management (even though apparently the Hololive girls do it themselves most of the time)
>he envies vspo, niji etc for having members that are friends and spend time together off stream because in Holostars a collab takes weeks to happen, even longer than collabs with other companies
>He thinks they should regroup Stars to gamers, singers etc because having everyone in one lump when they barely have anything in common is not working
>Management actually invested a lot into Stars but the expectation was higher than what fans actually got. The attitude was "we did the 1st concert, let's focus on 2nd now" instead of "we finally did it!" (not sure if he means fans or Stars)
>Stars grows slowly but they got a lot of events at once so the plot was lost
>A good example of a good plot is their 1st Act concert where after 2 years of streaming they got 3Ds throughout a whole year then reached the 3D concert, making both the talents and the fans feel a sense of achievement
>Astel saw 2nd concert as a similar opportunity and challenged himself to new styles but it didn't work out for the whole group (doesn't elaborate)
>Now's the time to write the story again because people think Stars is done
>Back to the topic of units and themes: Stars should make group channels to gain female fans, management ignored him even though he asked a lot of times
>Management knows how to get male fans excited but not female fans
>Then says female fans would fight because they only want to see their oshi (?) anynonna can watch the girl fans section and correct me because he kept saying that a group channel is their best bet for female fans so I'm confused
>A male vtuber with female fans gains more money than a male vtuber with male fans so they should focus on attracting a female fanbase
>Management needs to take the talents' opinions about what theme they want their visuals to have before making the order to market their strengths better. They had some hits with things like Valentines visuals that got the attention of female fans
>Stars haven't had major events for 1.5 years so he keeps mentioning that number, saying some things should have started 1.5 years ago
>The company used to want equal things for everyone but it's different now and Astel thinks it's good
>Talents should focus on collabs and work towards goals together, he quotes a character (? not sure) "when was the last time you tried your best"
>If the management doesn't give them chances how are they supposed to promote their units? (talking about Bratt, him and Izuru, not being able to release merch) Only thing they have to prove themselves is MV views. They're not even an official unit, they need achievements to become one but that means they have to reach those achievements with no support from management
>Management shouldn't be letting the talents feel like their dreams are vanishing
>Going viral isn't good, it brings in new fans that don't care about you but just wants viral moments. Stable and slow is better
>He always wanted to be loved by a small number of people instead of being liked by a big number but the management always reminds them that they need numbers to get opportunities
>Normally the company supports the talent in achieving the liver's goal but in Cover they expect the talent to help in achieving the company's goal so he stopped caring about what the company aims for
>Mentions crowdfunding as an option when the company can't pay for their concerts, acknowledges that people will question where their money for merch went, doesn't elaborate
I get his points about management support, but it's not like they didn't get many opportunities already. He says he wants a steady slow growth but also that he wants more concerts which cost a lot of money and even before that, need numbers to prove to management that it's not a waste. Also can't help but feel like the others (might include Astel since we only know his pov) don't try nearly enough to become a unit that collabs regularly because how hard can getting together once every two months to play the latest viral coop game be? Some Japanese comments are mentioning that at some point we have to admit that it's the talent's ability to gain fans through streams that's important, regardless of how much support they for concerts and events. If Nijisanji can succeed this much with female fans there's definitely a market for Stars to get into, and everyone knows they exist so it's on the talents to join out of company projects and collabs to promote themselves. StarsEN seems to be doing well in that aspect. Do you nonnies agree? I know there are some Stars viewers here so I would like to hear more.
No. 487778
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>>487283yeah it's definitely her lol. ended up with +240k subscribers by the end of the stream.
hinata is debuting now and so far had no idea how to work the microphone/bgm volume controls. if she's streamed as someone else before, i don't recognize her.
No. 487829
>>487814>>487752I think Izuru and Astel both had the talent and personality to go far as a unit like Chronoir but they've been at it so long that they're both out of gas and ambition. Astel in particular could have done a lot in a unut like ROFMAO or Chronoir where they get regular variety segments and such but like… Even though it sounds like management invested a lot in them, I agree that it never seemed like they knew how to grow male idols. When I was into Stars I never got the sense of excitement I got from watching the girls from Holo or the guys from Niji where I got hyped up for events and their journey as performers. Maybe a few years ago (like quarantine era) there was this big sense of waiting to see thier potential pay off but starting a couple years ago it started feeling like they were just doggypaddling in the water trying to keep afloat and my excitement died off.
I like a lot of the guys, but Izuru and Astel I feel the worst for because their time struggling in Stars has always sounded like it made them mentally ill or exacerbated whatever preexisting mental illness they might have had. I've listened to both of them, separately, talk a lot about how lonely they are and felt especially bad in Izuru's case because he spent so much time on the Stars in college that he never managed to make school friends or normal memories for that time period, with little payoff on the entertainer side. And Astel always seemed like he was the one trying the hardest to elevate the Stars into an actual group of performers beyond basic streaming, but he crashed hard about a year or two ago after hitting a financial wall.
StarsEN is whatever, like they struggle but I think there'a a greater sense of camraderie there and some of those boys have genuinely fostered fanbases that are able to financially support their activities. I've always felt worse for the JP Stars, especially the earlier gens, because they struggled their way up to a mediocre point from absolutely nothing.
No. 487848
>>487841Even NijiEN seems like they have a stronger Japanese female fanbase than StarsJP. Really curious how they fucked up the branding and marketing. I would say the boys (at least Izuru afaik) acting like they're above fanservice would be the reason but look at Shu Yamino, he never came close to fan service but he has a huge Japanese (female) fanbase.
>>487845Astel also showed himself off in some tournament/s and was collaborating with fps players from both EN and JP spheres then suddenly I never saw him again. That's why I'm shocked that he complains about not being able to collab with fps players within Stars because other fps vtubers collab with different companies all the time. I think they need a realistic trajectory for their personal branding and accept the bad that comes with it, like Astel accepting that people will watch him to see his gaming skills and not be a die hard fan when he starts to show up in fps spaces.
No. 487851
>>487752A few opinions as someone that mostly watches Niji JP:
>female fans would fight because they only want to see their oshi This is a weird concept to me too, but I do see drama happen with male-only unit fanbases where fans either get upset over their oshi getting ''less'' or ''worse'' content compared to his unitmates, or over the focus being more on the teetee (fujobait) between the members rather than inidividual fan interaction. I don't know if these are what he meant, but there's definitely some kind of unique autism that fans of these groups often have.
>he envies vspo, niji etc for having members that are friends and spend time together off stream because in Holostars a collab takes weeks to happenSomething I have always wondered is, why don't the stars guys try to interact with other bigger male vtubers more themselves? Plenty of the niji jp guys are friendly and open to doing collabs outside of the corpo. It might not directly gain them new fans, but it would at least put them on more people's radars. I've seen some of the stars guys try to establish connections in events with VCR, but they proceeded to do nothing with them afterwards.
>Going viral isn't good, it brings in new fans that don't care about you but just wants viral moments. I kind of agree on this personally, new fans gained through going viral usually don't stick and they often don't follow the community etiquette, although I can see why management would value pure numbers.
Astel talks a lot about how to gain a female fanbase, but from what I've seen of him, he does a lot of things that would completely put off said female fans. Sorry to be blunt here, but most people who want to watch 'male idols' would probably avoid guys who are known to flirt with female vtubers on stream often. I don't know if Astel's whole ''being creepy towards female vtubers'' bit was an attempt at going viral because of management's pressure, but that type of content is essentially the opposite of what people who want to watch cute boys being cute want to see. Not saying they can't interact with girls at all (I mean, look at Niji), but it has to be done with respect and preferably with no flirting/shipbaiting.
Overall, he makes some good points but I think there's a lot of issues they could try to fix themselves before trying to rely on management. I never properly followed any of them, so I can't provide opinions on specific members.
No. 487883
>>487877I doubt there's any real limitations when it comes to Holo/Niji JP collabs, I mean on the girls' side they're even doing a shared baseball event. Nijis can collab pretty freely, so I would be surprised if that wasn't the case with stars somehow.
I remember when Uyu played with Kanae one time, and Kanae's fans even took a liking to him, but Uyu for some reason didn't have his own pov up for that collab, I found that weird.
No. 487885
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>>487814>his streams are repetitive and there's nothing other than covers to look forward toUnfortunately this is the reason why I stopped watching him (and Stars in general) around late 2023. I was initially excited when he picked up Valorant a few years ago since eSports was starting to make it popular in Japan, and I thought it'd be a good chance for him to network with other Vtubers he had previously interacted with such as Kanae. In reality it was the beginning of the end, with nothing but long, uninteresting Twitch streams without meaningful commentary. His situation makes me sad because he definitely had ambition and mentioned several music projects on stream that never materialized
(most likely due to his manic depression which he's mentioned both as Izuru and as his roommate) and he simply went back to… doing whatever. A friend of mine seldomly keeps an eye on the group (she used to oshi Izuru too) and from what she says, nothing has really changed. I came out jaded from all the numberfagging I did back in my /vt/ days and waiting for things to improve, so at this point I believe it was a matter of timing and place (and COVER's initial piss poor marketing.) I can't see them blowing up just like how NijiJP males constantly do. It's frustrating.
No. 487957
>>487929Idk how high the flat salary actually is considering that like half of the StarsJP members work day jobs. Re:management, there was a big shift in management a couple years back and IMO it hasn't been the same since. Shinove left, and Yagoo presumably got busier with how the girls' side blew up, and Stars seems to have been left in the dust.
Speaking as a former Sapling, you can stick around just because you gel really well with their streaming style, even if they're not innovating or working on any cool big projects.
No. 488002
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Didn't hakka just get a new outfit? Nice to see EN finally getting a group outfit like the JP side's summer and NY outfits, though.
No. 488026
>>487241Nah I share the same sentiment, I separate the Vtuber with the woman behind the avatar so yeah it's the end of the character I feel when these graduations happen. Like Ame's time detective setting and interactions with everyone else in Myth or Council got a lot of fans' creative juices flowing and there was so much interesting stuff to make or see. Some jerboa train conductor derping around by herself is just so milquetoast in comparison.
On the other hand I also agree that some people can be extremely dramatic about graduations. I'm reading pre-chat in Mumei's graduation stream right now and a lot of the comments are giving me second-hand cringe.
No. 488048
>>488026>>487241I feel like most fans understand this sentiment to some degree. What doesn't make sense to me is how hard some Nijisanji fans have been railing against Geega's tweet as some kind of company preferential crass remark intended to burn their oshi. Although I suspect those reactions are coming from the same fans that have held a
victim complex ever since Selen's termination.
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>>487774>there's only so much variation tho be seen in Vtuber outfitsI don't think that's true at all. There are still a lot of different designs out there, like you can't mistake any holoEN character with one other because they're all so different, but then they also get called Genshin rejects that you'd feel embarrassed watching with your family, especially the booby ones like Kronii or Fuwawa. The orca design is more interesting for sure but this dolphin design is something I can see showing up on NHK or something and I think that's what Ruka is going for.
No. 488260
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>>488210She apparently signed up with a proper agency called WME a while ago. They represent big Hollywood types like Ryan Reynolds and Henry Cavil. Also Mr MGS Hideo Kojima for some reason. This was probably just her choosing not to renew her contract with VShojo. I don't follow VShojo so idk how big she is.
No. 488290
>>488288I'm of the opposite opinion, I think it's fairly novel and elegantly executed for a coomer design. I never understood the love the Nina design got on the other hand. It looked unpolished.
>>488260>This was probably just her choosing not to renew her contract with VShojo.Both VShojo and Matara's statement make it clear it was VShojo's decision to part ways, though. Not hers.
No. 488291
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>>488260Did she get her model redone? I don't follow her closely.
The original design is a bit coomer but I thought the face was really cute.
No. 488311
>>487332if this is suppoosed to be a suisei knockoff then
>>487778 is clearly gigi
i don't mind it one bit though and would like to see more "safe" looks like this
No. 488456
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>>487778I saw some schizoid speculation on Twitter before her debut that it might be Iroha, maybe because she's on break and the blonde/teal/white color palette? It's clearly not her though. If anything, her voice and speech patterns are similar enough to Ruka's that people are assuming it's her actual irl sister that Chloe mentioned in her stories.
Not sure what the theme is with the space and dog elements but I like it, it's cute and bright.
No. 488491
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>>488456>Not sure what the theme is with the space and dog elementsCould be a reference to Laika, Belka, Strelka and other dogs who were sent into space.
No. 488605
>>488599Holy newfag
>>487335Go back to /vt/.
No. 488635
Man Kiara's always been the Hologirl I regret not being able to get into. I feel like she tries really hard and you can really cheer for her given her struggles getting to where she is now. But I just don't find her an engaging streamer or like her music very much.
>>488599There's another vtuber drama thread. Try harder and find it if you want to gossip about Sinder.
No. 488757
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So apparently Ike has decided to graduate and he has wiped out his channel already
https://x.com/ike_eveland/status/1917398503065604133 No. 488771
>>488757It reads like he's not coming back to being an online personality ever, which is probably good for him tbh. The vtubing sphere is so tainted that I think the best possible aftermath to my oshi graduating is also just disappearing forever and integrating back to society.
>>488764This and the fact that it's immediate graduation makes me think he might have been having an episode this month, but I hope it was just him finding a job and settling into a new life.
No. 488773
>>488757The timing is surprising. Not just the sudden nature but also the abrupt graduation while somebody is still on their way out.
Who else is likely in Nijisanji? Wish they'd just rip off the bandaid and fire the sexpest.
No. 488808
>>488806Could be.
The extent to which he's being scrubbed is unprecedented.
No. 488812
>>488808It's really not, many livers have graduated and scrubbed their content the same way (Gibara, Lulu, Axia, etc).
>>488804>>488806God, I hate you faggots.
No. 488818
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>>488815Shu stated he was deleting them to follow Ike's wishes of stepping away from the internet. I agree it's not "normal", but it's not as sinister as you're making it out to be. If it was, everyone would have deleted their videos with him as well. Shu is just being Shu.
No. 488820
>>488817I'd believe this is it was everybody working together to remove Ike's online presence, but it's only Shu as far as we know that's decided to do it. Surprised at how quickly he announced it despite not knowing Ike was even planning to graduate. Extent is not clear yet.
Also worth noting is that he unfollowed all of Ethyria and only Ethyria a month ago, around the time he abruptly stopped streaming.
I don't think this is as simple as deciding to transition dandy and happy to normal IRL work, not when he's stated the extent of his mental unwellness.
No. 488963
>>488923Based
>>488959I'm not sure you ever even tried
No. 488994
>>488963ive tried. Oshi'd Sana, even got her birthday merch, tried oshi'ing some indies, but they just never connected with me. Buffpup seems cool but her type of content isnt my thing.
>>488984I like Korone and Iroha but I don't speak Japanese
No. 489006
>>488984I'm tired of everyone recommending Amiya when she screeches instead of speaking and has a child model. Do you really believe that's to pander to women?
>>488995When they're leaving on good terms it's the talent's choice how they announce it. I mean look at Ike vs Fulgur.
No. 489012
>>489006I feel bad about Amiya. I wanted to give her a chance since anons on this thread really like her, but you are right about her voice. If you compare her debut to any of her more recent streams, it's clear she is putting on more and more of a voice.
I thought she maybe just had an unfortunate voice, but it seems she is perfectly capable of speaking normally but chooses not to.
No. 489022
>>489006She didn't choose her model, it's the model she got from her former corpo when they dissolved. Also, she's never styled herself as a child in any of her personally chosen outfits or in personality.
Fair on the voice if you're not into it, though.
No. 489067
>>487752holostars needs to pick a side they want to market to and commit to it instead of trying to play both sides. All its doing is confusing the viewerbase on what they're even trying to accomplish.
the "brotuber" schtick is obviously not working.
No. 489073
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>>489025YT @xanduisbored. It's all online for now.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240209045414/https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srcpbqhttps://web.archive.org/web/20240209045338/https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srcri4I recall that someone had to step in and ask him to remove her real name even though he was upset about his real name being used. The screenshots are still linked in his twitlonger.
>>488806>>488820>>488815>>488818My personal rrat is that he's trying to scrub Ike Eveland, especially the Japan trips, because the person who accused him of sexual abuse there finally filed a case.
Most stuff from 2014 is expired now, even if it had been actual rape. But the Reddit post about quid pro quo sex/relationship is still fairly recent, and of the person finally sued, then quitting and purging Ike Eveland could be a decision. It could also be a reason for Nijisanji to kick him out.
Idk what to make of him unfollowing Ethyria, but I haven't kept up in a long time.
I'd believe that he just wants privacy, but his alt is still up and untouched.
No. 489077
>>489049She's a skilled enough singer and she happens to have a voice with notably wide appeal, especially within the target demographic of weebs hololive has. So her technical skill gets overblown.
I think she could really have gone to the next level but I don't think she's one of the talents I'd consider to be on the idol grind, unfortunately.
No. 489080
>>489073I don't follow it closely enough to say for sure, but I've heard that he's selectively gone through and scrubbed a good portion of his alt, too.
There's more here than meets the eye, inoccuous or not.
No. 489111
>>488959Just watch Niji vtubers kek is it your first time watching vtubers or something? I know nobody here watches JP ones so I'm not gonna mention them but among EN ones, Enna actively filtered out males from her period talk on debut and people like Rosemi are far too professional to pander to men.
>>489110Since when was vtubing supposed to push BFE/GFE? I've never cared about that content. I just find it weird to be a misandrist and support male vtubers when they all do scrotey activities like rape people in their past life. No one's trying to claim you have to watch female vtubers to prove you're a feminist or something, I'm just saying it's stupid to get upset over a moid acting like a moid when you willingly watched him lol.
No. 489118
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>this is the feminist material nonnas want you to watch
No. 489134
>>489127Samefag, the only reasons I can think of japs hating on Ao is
A) she became very close with Marine, and because of that Marine started focusing on hanging out more with her than streaming. These people tend to forget the fact that Marine is getting older and she have been having major health issues lately, too. I think they also are geniunely afraid of Marine being shipped with a woman that doesn't look like a walking bimbo (since the moids always prefer her being together with Noel)
B) does not pander to moids +/- high-pitched voice. I don't know how new are you but Towa has been hated by japs for YEARS simply because she didn't sound "cute", you can still find a lot of clips about it.
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I wish mods would actually take care of the incessant infighting that happens in this thread. Jesus Christ, it’s hard to read sometimes.
No. 489151
>>489139No one's even calling out the incestuous dog shillers anymore whenever they're mentioned. We've had a peaceful thread till nonnas tried to change that one nonna's mind about watching only males.
>>489067Brotuber schtick only works if they're really good at games or are funny and the forgotten Stars lack that. I agree, they should stick to one and then actually try to improve in that side. It's a really bad look when you can tell how unmotivated they are the moment you enter their streams regardless of their intended audience. It also leaves a bad taste in my mouth seeing Astel admit so openly that he only ever considered trying to get a female audience for the money. People are praising him for being so open in the comments but who's gonna watch them if we all know we're seen as their last resort to make money.
No. 489169
>>489045Yeah it felt pretty rushed, 20 ish minutes was way too short. The Ash again live performance with the new outfit was cool though.
>>489049I don't think she's an amazing singer but she has a pleasant singing voice overall. I would say Suisei and some other girls are better singers
No. 489170
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Any vtubers that use simple Japanese for beginners to the language? Trying to get some casual listening reps in. I remember Axia being an example of this, but he’s long gone.
No. 489217
>>489170Old Okayu VODs are some if the best I can find for this. I don't recommend her current content at all.
For currently content, I find Hoshirube Sho of NijiJP to be very easy to understand.
Something I also want to note is the importance of comprehensible input when it comes to seeking JP streamers for immersion– basically if you're at an early level where you're asking for simple Japanese, you don't want a streamer who is heavy on zatsus or text-based games. The more visual the stream is, the better.
To this end, I also find the variety activities that ROFMAO does to be easy to consume. Handcam streams or games with dynamic content like Mario Party are also good.
No. 489219
>>489115This is the TLDR of this entire discussion lol. Why moralize your preference for male vtubers?
>>489134I honestly feel that's the long and short of it. With the Marine issue though I think there's a specific perception that she mainly comes back to collab with Ao which is where the resentment comes from. Which is still stupid, but hey, it seems to be the reason.
No. 489225
>>489220This isn't /vt/. this place has always been okay with talking about Niji, both EN and JP. whether it's criticism or not, it's balanced.
>>489221i wonder about this too because there are other niji vtubers who are either just as interesting or even more so, yet don't have the same popularity. could it be the fujo buff? the first time i saw him it was a viral tweet about his new model/design, but he could have been popular before that.
No. 489229
>>489225I think YashiKizu is super popular with men and Kanae is really popular with women, but Kuzuha has both so I guess that's the explanation? We're talking on a smaller scale here, but I think that's also why Kenmochi is one of the more popular members of ROFMAO.
Also I think NijiEN discussion will always be low quality discussion as long as we have participants who recommend its livers while turning a blind eye to the obvious undercurrent of rot. In recent days alone we have people getting angry over speculation on Ike's graduation, even though speculation is an obvious result given how often sour whispers about the corpo's backstage bear true fruit.
No. 489238
>>489233You sure wrote a lot of other narrative into this when I only mentioned NijiEN and didn't promote any other corpos or the rest of Nijisanji.
Also don't know why people keep bringing up FWMC unprompted? What do they have to do with NijiEN being a provably bad corpo with a consistent outpouring of drama and damaged ex-livers? This isn't a tribalistic assertion.
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>>489237Yes and then employed a slew of misogynists and menheras with an existing pattern of negative behavior to play those characters. Wow! So feminist to oshi them and give them money just for having a hot anime boy design they didn't choose and often actively make uglier.
No. 489345
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>>489221I'd say that his popularity comes from being able to balance appealing to both male and female fans, without filtering either side. As you said, he does have a majorly male viewership when streaming (so does Kanae, by the way), but he has more 'dedicated' female fans that follow him for his idol acitivities, buy his merch, show up to his lives, etc. He's kind of both a gamer and an idol, and he puts a lot of time into both things. Even if you see him practicing for a tournament 10 hours a day for a week, he could announce a CD or a live right after and his fans wouldn't be surprised by that. Another thing he balances well is solo content vs unit content (although autistic solo fan vs fujo arguments still tend to happen among his fanbase).
As for his streams specifically, he's just generally funny and easy to watch, plus even when he's tryharding in a game he keeps the chat interaction up and tries to read a lot of superchats. During things like tournaments he often creates ''storylines'' of sorts which is why a lot of people tune into those. Plus, even after all these years he's still pretty socially awkward so people enjoy seeing him interact with people he doesn't know well.
In comparison, while Kanae is also a gamer, he does lean a bit more towards being an idol and appealing to gachikois (both male and female in his case), and he just has a bit less mainstream appeal overall.
I also personally think there's some streaming-related things he doesn't handle too well such as trying to stream on two platforms consistently, but that's a bit too specific to name as a reason.At the end of the day, as someone that watches both, I don't really care about Kuzuha having more viewers, and I don't think Kanae really cares about it either when he's the one that has supported Kuzuha from day 1 (back when Kanae was the one with a bigger and more stable fanbase), and still continues to do so. Not to mention that they're basically the biggest vtuber corpo duo in terms of content and all the things they've accomplished together, comparing them or trying to force a non-friendly rivalrly is stupid.
No. 489364
>>489345>gachikois (both male and female in his case)Interesting, I didn't know that he had male gachikois.
>comparing them or trying to force a non-friendly rivalrly is stupidNot my intention at all, sorry if it came off that way. I was just genuinely curious after seeing Kuzuha in a vtuber viewership/growth chart recently– he doesn't personally appeal to me much so I wanted other opinions.
I used to watch a lot of Kanae, fell off for a couple years, and now only watch the weekly ChroNoir variety show. Prior to that most of my familiarity with Kuzuha came from the dokuzuhonsha era. I think in those places, Kuzuha mostly gets showcased just as his vtuber persona, so it's neat to hear from a consistent fan of the unit about his general strengths as a streamer.
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I think if they had debuted during COVID I would have been really into them as a unit, but nowadays I have so little time to watch streams that I just feel like there's too many of them… Anybody oshi any of these guys?
No. 489370
>>489364>I didn't know that he had male gachikois.He has a lot, back when people in Niji were allowed to play games with their fans while using VC there were a ton of guys who would come and simp for him, to the point where was jokingly calling his fans his boyfriends. Even during lives, there's more male fans than what you would expect (although it's still mostly female fans obviously). The Niji JP fanbase isn't super gendered in general, there's female livers with big female fanbases and male livers with big male fanbases, which is cool to see.
>Not my intention at all, sorry if it came off that way. Oh don't worry, I didn't mean you, mostly the people who try to force a rivalrly when it doesn't really exist (and it's either numberfags who have never seen a single stream or their own fans who want to see their oshi be #1).
>in those places, Kuzuha mostly gets showcased just as his vtuber personaThat's definitely true, during his streams he also often interacts with big and popular JP fleshstreamers so the atmosphere and how you see him can differ depending on which content of his you mostly watch, plus with both Chronoir and Dokuzunhonsha he has pretty unique dynamics/interactions.
Both of them are pretty hardworking to the point where it can be hard to keep up with everything they're involved with, I just hope it doesn't lead to them burning out in the future.
No. 489375
>>489370>Both of them are pretty hardworking to the point where it can be hard to keep up with everything they're involved with, I just hope it doesn't lead to them burning out in the future.Yeah, I feel like Nijisanji really struck gold with them. Regardless of if they appeal to an individual or not, the sheer breadth of content they cover as entertainers is impressive. It's also pretty rare to see a popular dynamic keep going for so many years– a lot of similar groups or duos I've enjoyed over the years eventually get tired of being defined by each other and such (understandable, if that's not what you want) and stop doing showing up together in streams. With Chronoir I feel like they're both individually strong and keep each other going.
Maybe I'll give Kuzuha another shot one of these days! Thanks for the info, nonna.
>The Niji JP fanbase isn't super gendered in general, there's female livers with big female fanbases and male livers with big male fanbases, which is cool to see.Yeah, I've noticed the same. I primarily watch Holo JP but in terms of overall fanbase atmosphere, I think I've always been fondest of Niji JP. My Nijisanji oshi is Sasaki Saku and I've never felt out of place as her viewer, whereas with Holo even as a koronesuki I always feel an undercurrent of incongruency with most the other fans.
No. 489379
>>489375>the sheer breadth of content they cover as entertainers is impressiveThis is why I feel like I can recommend the both of them even to someone who may get filtered by things such as fps streams or tournaments, because that's far from the only thing that they do.
>With Chronoir I feel like they're both individually strong and keep each other goingPretty much, that's also one of their strengths. I sometimes see the misconception about Chronoir being something that management started and encouraged, but until a few years ago it was 100% led by Kanae and Kuzuha themselves, and their success is a part of the reason why we get a lot of units (with an unit channel on debut) nowadays. They genuinely enjoy each other's company, and their fans have also learned to not act too annoying(asking for collabs, only caring for duo content and not individual content, just being too uncomfortably open with shipping in public etc) so it all continues to work out even years later.
>I primarily watch Holo JP but in terms of overall fanbase atmosphere, I think I've always been fondest of Niji JP. I also occasionally watch some of the Holo JP girls, but I have to do my best to ignore the community at times. The Niji JP fanbase has sort of matured over time, and as a result livers need to walk on eggshells less compared to the Holo talents. I wish it wasn't like that, but it's probably impossible for the Holo community to improve unless some really big changes happen.
Sasaki is great, I've always enjoyed her energy, plus her duo with Shiina.
No. 489385
>>489379Yep– I'm definitely somebody who gets filtered by FPS but what keeps me going with chronoir is that they do feel like they're on that "idol grind" in the ways that I like best: always trying to improve instead of being satisfied with stagnant content, providing variety to capture audience, and so on.
>Sasaki is great, I've always enjoyed her energy, plus her duo with Shiina.SakuYui is really fun, I wish the duo would do more content as entertainers, but I'm not going to push it. I especially love it when they show up to goof around with chronoir. The free-spirited atmosphere of old friends you get from ex-Gamers interactions is something so uniquely Niji.
>their fans have also learned to not act too annoying>Niji JP fanbase has sort of matured over timeI've been around since… 2019 I think? On and off. And I agree a lot. The beginning was rough, and there was a rough patch a couple years back from my POV of fans really not knowing how to respect boundaries and weaving crazy negative narratives out of thin air. But these days everything feels very relaxed.
It might just be a difference in taste but Holo's fanbase on the other hand has this sense of feverish cultishness that I prefer not to be a part of despite my kamioshi being in that org. I feel like their business model would have to fundamentally change for that to shift but I doubt there's any incentive for it to.
No. 489428
>>489110I watch both male and female ones but my issue is calling all female Vtubers gfe creators. The ick that I get when male Vtubers try bfe is definitely worse. It's also a fact that, even with the Sinder thing, it's much rarer to see women sexually exploit fans. For men, it's often like waiting for the other shoe to drop. And you never know which ones. It's fun to watch them, but recently it's been hard to not be guarded. After watching multiple male oshis do that, it's hard. Plus, if you once you realize what mon-EN subs are saying, half of it is stuff that you'd usually block a guy for.
I watch for escapism and it's harder to stop thinking when you're wondering if this guy will get a doc/callout video tomorrow.
No. 489447
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The reason why i never recommend nonnas any small vtuber is because I am afraid she will get targeted by idiots (i hope you get what i mean). If you guys want to watch a vtuber, simply search up yt and ttv, twitter for the games that you like…? Fandoms too…? (The ones that are filled with female fans) There are so many interesting women out there who create things for themselves without causing drama or pandering to anybody. Come on nonnas, find your vtuber. I believe in u.
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nimi is holding a 3d concert with dooby, hyuni, and ashton. as someone who didn't watch her content often, it looks like she's doing music related things more actively now. she seems so excited im happy for her
No. 489533
>>489458or the weird people that keep referencing hololive with every little thing.
>sheepomg Watame!!
>dogBAU BAU!11
its like they cant let Nimi be her own person outside of the bubble
No. 489537
>>489458>collab with senzawait has literally been ONE DAY, jesus fucking christ
>>489533>cant let Nimi be her own person outside of the bubbleso much this. is it the same with dooby and every other ex holo? can't be imagine what it would be like if not!Gura so much as makes a tweet soon
No. 489547
>>489385>I'm definitely somebody who gets filtered by FPS but what keeps me going with chronoir is that they do feel like they're on that "idol grind"I really appreciate how they put in proper effort when it comes to both streaming and all of their other activities, plus doing it both individually and as an unit. They've both had their solo concerts, as well as a Chronoir one last year.
>The free-spirited atmosphere of old friends you get from ex-Gamers interactions is something so uniquely Niji. I'm glad that they're all still good friends and get together a few times every year even after all this time. And it's true that this kind of group wouldn't work in Holo, at least not without a lot of trouble and infighting between the fanbases. Niji JP feels like the one place where you can have mixed gender groups/interactions without people on either side (shippers and unicorns) getting too weird about it, it's nice.
>there was a rough patch a couple years back from my POV of fans really not knowing how to respect boundaries and weaving crazy negative narratives out of thin airI haven't been following Niji as long, but I know that the beginning was quite rough and it took a while until things got to a somewhat peaceful point.
I sadly agree about Holo's community being kind of cultish, the most baffling thing to me is how they support everything that has the Holo mark on it, and refuse to direct any cricitism towards the management or Yagoo. I see this far less with Niji, in fact I think that a lot of their ''drama'' on the JP side these days is fans giving management shit for fucking up. I don't think Niji's business model is without issues at all, but the fact that they have over 100 livers means that it's impossible to oshi all of them, which leads to people just sticking to their favorites and rarely ''oshi''-ing the company (like you may see Holo fans do).
No. 489585
>>489547>And it's true that this kind of group wouldn't work in HoloHit the nail on the head, although I think it didn't come without effort. I think during the most difficult era I talked about previously, a lot of newer members (at the time) had issues where they'd get flamed by fans who thought they were interacting with other Niji members out of their league or being too familiar with members of the other sex… But at the same time there was a sense of concerted effort by livers to just keep collabing with who they want which allowed them to retain their free atmosphere from the old day to present time.
It's not like everything can be placed on the shoulders of talents, but when you look at the struggles both Stars EN and JP has historically had gaining traction in the vtubing sphere, you don't see the same atmosphere. There were efforts here and there but both the talents and the company didn't seem to maintain concerted effort to foster that atmosphere. It's really different.
> the most baffling thing to me is how they support everything that has the Holo mark on itYes, I think that's my biggest criticism of the Holo fanbase. I have to cringe sometimes at the things they say, even when they're levying complaints against NijiEN, who I take issue with. There's this weird unconditional desire to vaunt up Holo at the expense of Niji and it just reduces the validity of arguments for either side.
That being said, I'm really pleased with the fanbase that Re:Gloss seems to have cultivated for itself. I think through a combination of being branded as a new branch and the members' lack of familiarity with streaming, they managed to generate a more novel and perhaps more tolerant fanbase than that of the greater corpo. It sort of reminds me of the HoloID fanbase.
No. 489586
>>489585Samefagging with a little more navelgazing, but I will say in response to your last point that I do think there are some benefits to Holo being smaller as a fan. I tend to avoid Nijisanji's larger events because I find them overwhelming, but I get excited and typically tune into Holo's. Holo's smaller size makes it easier to "know" what each talent's deal… Whereas with Niji's big events I sometimes feel like I'm having to suddenly tolerate screentime of a character I don't know or care about lol.
Those chance discoveries might be a plus for some people but for me I like things a little more cozy and insular…
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>>489537>is it the same with dooby and every other ex holo?100%. Look at how artists would draw stuff like this
>>483737 and yeah, holofans probably find it endearing but to me this just shows that Dooby is nothing without her time as Ame and relationship with Gura and it feels kind of slimy to exploit it for Twitter likes.
I haven't seen this myself but I hear Namie bans or blocks you instantly if you bring up Sana. I don't blame her, imagine for years being a successful artist illustrating for popular games like Arknights and having actual irl art exhibitions in Japan, but holofans will still refer to you as that one time you were a Vtuber for _less than a year_ over three years ago!
Picrel, Shachimu lent her voice to a Dokibird video a while back and she had to tell fans to knock it off because they kept attributing her contribution to her corpo identity.
I get keeping up the kayfabe while they're still in the company, but holy shit once they're out, give it a fucking rest. I like to think part of why these girls quit is because they realized the vast majority of holofans were socially awkward nerds with boundary issues and it just wasn't worth it in the long run.
No. 489607
>>489585>although I think it didn't come without effortDefinitely, I know that there was a lot of trial and error (and drama) before it became what we have these days, as obviously a lot of things were new and the livers didn't really know how to handle some situations well. When it comes to opposite sex interactions, nowadays they're neither super awkward nor do the livers act way too close, so I get the impression that most people other than very extreme gachikois are probably okay with the distance. I might be wrong, but to me it seems that the management also sort of changed how they want to market their talents compared to the really early years, considering that male/female duos are a thing of the past now (which is honestly for the better, with how weird people can get). And I know that sometimes people used to get upset that their oshi collabed with someone ''unworthy'' (less popular), but now people have the freedom to collab with whoever they want, even outside of the corpo.
It's really come a long way, I some Holos did manage to get a similar sort of atmopshere for themselves individually (La+, Towa, Botan etc), but it's probably never happening within the corpo.
>There's this weird unconditional desire to vaunt up Holo at the expense of NijiI never understood it. I'm grateful to Niji for providing my oshis with a lot of opportunities, but I'm not going to pretend like everything they do is 100% right and correct (it isn't). Some people are just obsessed with proving that their corpo is superior, and I get the feeling that they prioritize that over.. actually enjoying the talents themselves.
It's good to hear that Re:Gloss has a bit better fanbase, I only really kept up with Ao but I could tell that Cover was trying to do things a bit differently with them.
>>489586I get it, the big events can be quite overwhelming, but I tend to just focus on what my oshis are doing and try to enjoy the new and fresh interactions that end up happening, rather than attempting to keep up with what everyone is up to. HoloGTA was definitely a lot easier to follow compared to NijIGTA.
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>>489589Namie's case makes me sad. i've been following her online since 2008 and watched her go from an amateur artist (that drew the image attached) to a big name in the industry.
Having her entire growth online, and artistic journey be simmered down to "OMG SANA IS ETERNAL!!11 BEEG" and people with a bunch of vtuber oshi marks in their usernames in her comments is insulting and i'm just a fan of her. I can't imagine how Namie feels. It's like once you join hololive, they never let you forget it no matter how hard you try. Feels like a cult.
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Tariffs are hitting American merch buyers hard. I wonder if this will impact developing en? I know they get money from Youtube and superchats but merch seems to be the most profitable and the US is by far the biggest market.
No. 489664
>>489658I will always remember Sweeto as Wolfychu's bf. I think some people are gonna cal him Ren eventually… Sure, they're different entities, but I think a newer fan wouldn't see it. I wonder how he'll deal with it.
>>489589Nonna, it's pretty clear that they always knew. Maybe they're finding out what being the "product" in the profit oriented corporate world is like. Maybe it's the Japanese work culture. Maybe it's because Yagoo stepped back. Maybe it's A-chan's replacements. Whatever the reason, lots of talents suddenly have creative differences or disagreements with management. I think something similar (but much worse) happened with Niji. Just be glad this mangement is letting them leave gracefully without overt issues. Maybe the management also know the fans don't have boundaries kek. Neither talents not management wants another Rushia or Mel situation. Or a MagVes "graduation". No one's happy that way.
Whatever the case, you have to acknowledge the girls didn't have issues with the fanbase till now. Many people are slowly trickling out and we won't know how many to they're all done leaving. I personally have lots of negative experiences with the fanbase (see: corpo shills who need to put another company or talent down), but the talents don't need to deal with them.
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For other JP stream watchers, what's your general JP language level? Overally I'd say I'm N4 but it's enough to understand the gist of most streams I like to watch.
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>>489080>>489083He had an entirely different twitter account called @NotXandu that he completely purged after getting into Nijisanji, so he pretty much scrubbed his entire history prior to joining the company. His current @XanduBored twitter was only created in 2022.
The fan reply tweets in the image were suddenly deleted in late 2024 or early 2025 despite previously being up for almost 8-9 years. There are a handful still remaining, but these and similars ones were selectively deleted. (Archived link)
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>>489876I love that they covered this song! Only nitpick I could make is that Liz has a very strong accent in japanese but can't be helped that easily. I'll still enjoy this.
Liz is my oshi and I'm warming up to Rissa, I hope they get to interact a lot on the new EnReco.
No. 489919
>>489907Yeah, Liz's accent is strong, but I find it charming - so many utaites and vtubers have learned out of their accents when singing in Japanese that it's kinda refreshing to hear a different take. And honestly, she's also getting better with each cover!
Neither are my oshis necessarily but I'm also warming up to Rissa. She does goonbait sometimes, but then she does stuff like this or is just very relatable to fellow girls with her stories.
No. 489975
>>489898I mean, Ike, Vox, and Luca all have documentation against them and Aster's been in hiatus along with one of his alleged
victims for god knows how long because Niji won't just pull the rug and fire him despite having terminated several women for less. If anybody's straggling around to support that branch it's because they don't care as long as they get their "female pandering" vtubers.
I get why it's not logistically realistic, but I wish Niji would do what they did to the KR branch (which had recurring issues with bullying between members and mismanagement) and absorb it into JP for more direct supervision. EN has not proven itself to be a branch that can handle independent operations without festering.
>>489607>I might be wrong, but to me it seems that the management also sort of changed how they want to market their talents compared to the really early years, considering that male/female duos are a thing of the past nowI totally agree. IMO Niji went through a period of trying to follow some of Holo's business practices (i.e. bigger gens that operate closer to idol units distinct from long ago big batch integrations like SEEDS or gamers, with the Niji specific twist that some are still co gender) and this is one of the areas where it worked out well. I wouldn't say it was specific to male/female duos, but they definitely tried to push specific relationships with the debut groups for a long time and it was, like you said, really awkward. Gundou and Roa, Akina and Manami are both examples where it was really forced and didn't pan out well.
>Some people are just obsessed with proving that their corpo is superior, and I get the feeling that they prioritize that over.. actually enjoying the talents themselves.For sure… and it blows because this is how corpos lose accountability and devolve into something worse.
>I tend to just focus on what my oshis are doing and try to enjoy the new and fresh interactions that end up happeningThat makes sense! Probably just a preference thing because I think big events in general tend to run into long streams and I'm not a fan of those to begin with lol.
Do you recommend any of the newer JP debuts by the way? I've only sporadically checked them out through clips, but it's been a long time since I really ventured much out from my oshis. I tend to like talents older in age with specific interests (like I really enjoy yashikizu and shachou too) so if there's anybody in the newer gens like that, I'd love to know. Not sure if it's just my shallow perception, but it seems like recent hires aside from the latest male duo all tend to skew younger in age and less otaku in interests?
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>>489073>>489117>>489898I found myself re-reading the allegations against him again and one part of the woman's post stood out to me. She said that one of the ways he would "prove" he was Ike Eveland was by hiding messages within his streams at certain times only she would be able to recognize. The existence of incriminating streams that corroborates her claims could be why he chose to wipe his entire channel. He already has a history of deleting anything unsavory from his past.
These archive links captured comments in the replies that gives a little more context about why she decided to come forward:
https://archive.is/20240207230859/https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1alfr4n/i_was_involved_with_a_male_nijisanji_english/https://archive.is/20240209002220/https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1am757x/update_regarding_my_previous_post_i_was_involved/Her post was back made in February 2024, so 10 months prior to the Aster situation. It's been stuck at the back of my mind since then, despite how quickly people called her a liar and brushed it off. I just felt so incredibly sad for her.
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No. 490240
>>489898The moment I found out Sonny was that YouTuber that faked his death, I knew fans of the Niji males were hopeless kek
After all the horror stories I've heard from this company, I'm glad I never got into male vtubers, especially the ones that bait yumes, they're usually the worst.
I wonder who the fuck picks the members in Nijisanji tho, it's crazy how many of them are shitty people
No. 490305
>>490062The craziest takes I’ve seen were the people dismissing this woman of being Lollia herself. Apparently people are more likely to believe that an ex-girlfriend from ten years ago (who has completely moved on with her life) is slandering him instead of looking critically at the man with a history of being predatory to his own fans that spans over a decade. Whether as Xandu or Ike, he’s cultivated a soft public image that allowed him to do the most heinous shit behind-the-scenes and still have people jumping to defend him.
If you compare her allegations to Lollia’s own account from years ago, there are eerily similar instances of him buying plane tickets for women to meet him, suicidal guilt-tripping, medically induced mood swings, pushiness with sex, etc. It doesn’t read as a vindicative ex-girlfriend, but rather a man with an established pattern of
abusive behavior who went on to do the same thing to other women.
Another observation I made in the February 2024 allegations was that OP went out of her way to emphasize she was a legal adult and their encounters were consensual. If this was truly a deranged fan out to smear his name, wouldn’t it be more effective to claim she was underaged or rape was involved? It was the addition of small details like this that doesn’t support the “slanderous ex-fan” motive that made me inclined to believe her allegations.
No. 490318
>>490305This has also weighed on my mind and I immediately guessed these posts were also about Ike/Xandu due to the similarity between these instances. I've refused to watch him but I have lurked heavily too and the amount of
victim blaming against his ex and this source is mind numbing. When will these idiots accept that their uwu softboi bishie daddy isn't anything but a facade, this man has been a sex pest for over a decade. I hope he gets outed worse than Sinder honestly.
No. 490331
>>489975>but they definitely tried to push specific relationships with the debut groups for a long timeYou're right, I guess duos specifically stood out to me because of how bad things could get in practice when you didn't only have the fans obsessed with a relationship of an unit/group, but also shippers that'd get upset when one half of their ship was paired with someone else, and all other known shipper behaviour. But even without shippers, you had a lot of people who only cared for a liver when they were together with someone else, they didn't acknowledge them as individuals at all, which is probably a part of why a lot of them just stopped interacting in public. Early Niji really played a lot into 'teetee' between many livers, but nowadays I do see less of it and even when it happens, it's kinda just natural and not too forced. They found a good balance.
>Do you recommend any of the newer JP debuts by the way?Personally, I really like the Idios girls (do they count as new?) and Lunlun is pretty unique, but maybe I'm a bit biased towards mascot-type livers. I saw somewhere that their recent auditions have been looking for 'gamers' and 'idols', so I do feel like they're aiming for a younger audience with most of their recent hires. I won't say if this is good or bad, but I do kinda dislike the way the acceleration model gets applied to these new idol-focused units, as I get the impression that they get a lot of promotion and support from management early on, but once they get to a certain point (like getting their 3Ds), that support gets completely moved to the newer units, and so on. I guess it makes sense to give spotlight to newer livers and all, but it kinda goes too fast? In Holo everyone gets more ''equal'' opporunities.
I think the new male duo is pretty much in line with what you're describing, from older livers maybe Shellin would fall into that category as well.
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>>490318Ironically when it first came out, it was Niji fans who correctly clocked the allegations were about Ike even without him being named. His use of coded messages, new medication, and him frequently traveling to meet people were all known to observant fans.
The final tweet Xandu/Ike made on his account said he was “stepping away” from the Internet for good, and I genuinely hope this is the case. Hopefully the death of his Vtuber persona and loss of online platform will prevent opportunities for him to prey on anyone else.
>>490033With the deletion of his entire channel, it grosses me out to think about how many of his streams could have contained “hidden messages” to the fans he was soliciting. The woman who came forward said there were multiple fans involved with him, so there are likely other stories that might never be made public.
No. 490362
>>490331>(do they count as new?)Yes! I haven't properly checked out a new liver since Leos Vincent back when Eden-gumi debuted, to be honest. How's Koshimizu Toru? Her Rimworld streams have gotten recommended to me a couple times.
I've watched quite a few Lunlun clips to be honest, it made me happy to see Niji debut something very nontraditional after a long stretch of the usual bishoujo and ikemen lol.
Shellin! I totally forgot about him, he seems fun whenever I see him in other livers' streams.
>Early Niji really played a lot into 'teetee' between many livers, but nowadays I do see less of it and even when it happens, it's kinda just natural and not too forced. They found a good balance.Lol, I was just recently thinking about how teetee seems to have died off a lot as a term? I guess indicative of the shift you're describing. Maybe it's just me but regardless of if it's for better or worse, observing the culture shifts in the big orgs over the years has been really fascinating.
>which is probably a part of why a lot of them just stopped interacting in publicI really miss crossick… To this day I still wonder how they're getting on but I understand why they took their relationship out of the spotlight, especially if it was "real".
>it kinda goes too fast? In Holo everyone gets more ''equal'' opporunitiesAbsolutely! It seems like they've slowed down a bit, but the reason I stopped really checking out new livers after Eden-gumi was that the onslaught of debuts was just overwhelming. People doompost about graduations, but Holo's rate and ratio of graduations to debuts is a lot more digestible for me. I wouldn't complain if both companies just stopped debuting new talents for a couple years, though.
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I miss them…
No. 490833
>>490362Toru is the NEET gamer of Idios, she plays a lot of farming/grinding/survival games and is generally pretty chill. She often tends to stream for pretty long hours.
>it made me happy to see Niji debut something very nontraditional after a long stretch of the usual bishoujo and ikemenYeah, I'd have a little bit less of an issue with the acceleration if so many of their recent designs weren't just so safe, and basically more of the same. I understand cute girls and boys are what sells, but in the past having more diverse and out of the norm designs used to be one of Niji's strengths, so it's a bit of a shame we get them rarely nowadays.
>I was just recently thinking about how teetee seems to have died off a lot as a term? As a Chronoir watcher I still see it semi-often, but it's definitely less common overall. Frankly, I found it quite obnoxious how fans would call any and every interaction between two livers they like teetee, so I'm happy with the change. There's definitely less material from the livers' side too, they don't try to force certain dynamics just for the sake of content as much anymore, and if teetee happens, it happens naturally.
Crossick is essentially a nightmare scenario for anyone who enjoys a specific duo, in a way I'm glad that I didn't get into Niji early enough to get too attached to them and their relationship, because how it ended was really heartbreaking. But hopefully the fans/shippers learned a thing or two from it, if nothing else.
>the onslaught of debuts was just overwhelmingI tend to check out debuts (and eventually 3D debuts) since it's fun to join in on the hype, but I rarely end up keeping up with the newcomers (unless someone really catches my eye), it really is too overwhelming. I also can't help but worry that eventually there'll be TOO many livers and they won't be all able to get enough support, but they did expand their 3D studio recently and made Nijifes longer, so it's probably not something to get too worried over (yet). Holo has a better model regarding this imo, everyone gets more or less equal opportunities and at least a chance to perform at Holofes, although that does make it hard for the girls that don't want to do idol stuff/travel to Japan often, so it's really just difficult to get the balance right.
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>>489756I'd say I'm N4 too, but I really wish I was better at it cause girls like Polka and Raden seem like they have really interesting things to say in their streams. Raden alone talks at the speed of light, I do watch some Japanese clip channels where the clipper captions what she's saying but I still get lost 90% of the time. I should really sit down and learn properly.
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>>491084>Radenan utter gem, I wish people translated her clips more! She's charming and really well spoken when talking about art, I enjoy rakugo so it's fun to see someone in holo have such a unique niche in content. I'm glad to hear some other farmers enjoy her.
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For some reason Kronii has been ramping up her alt's activity lately and just announced a cover
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Kanae from Niji JP got a maid outfit for Maid Day in Japan (5/10). I'm happy that he made it a regular crossdressing outfit instead of a genderbend.