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>>490833Honestly I think that the lack of variation in the designs they've been turning out is one of the biggest things that makes current Niji feel different than the old Niji I'm nostalgic for (both are good in their own right, though). Some might say it's just a liver's appearance and it doesn't matter much, but it does inform the basis of how a liver presents themselves beyond aesthetic, I think. These are extreme examples, but kuroshiba and Chaika as normal anime character designs would be completely different.
>I also can't help but worry that eventually there'll be TOO many livers and they won't be all able to get enough supportI'm actually always astounded that Niji gets up to all the 3D activities that it does. Hololive has issues with the studio almost always being booked out as is with the smaller talent pool and had to put restrictions on how many lives they're entitled to each year. I think Niji does a lot more regular 3D programming like the student council, gacha lever daipan, chronoir, and rofmao's shows (I'm aware not all of these are still active) on top of the various individual liver 3d debuts and performances… It's a logistical feat they pull off decently given what they're working with.
Also this reply is so late but I just want to say thanks for the actual discussion! It's kind of rare in this thread!
No. 493839
>>493660AYRT It's ironic you say this because I've also heard complaints and criticisms that Cover has way more 3D staff than it actually needs. But here we have actual talents saying something, so shows what fans know kek.
I will say though that on average a Cover 3D showing has higher quality than a Nijisanji one– a lot of the Nijisanji 3D showings I referenced are just them in what looks like a stock produced setting with minimal prop interaction, the really labor intensive stuff comes during big performances. Meanwhile Hololives scale down was saying that fully produced birthday and anniversary lives for every single talent is just logistically not that feasible.
Also keep note that it's mostly Astel talking here. Holostars has it's own issues that I don't really think are related to logistics– about a year back or so Holo started scaling down the resources they previously unconditionally funneled to the Stars. Not interested in saying who is at fault here because it's a confusing vortex of them not really bringing in results relative to the girls but the company also being frustrating at times.
No. 493976
>>493912Nah shes exploiting her child shes a single mother and instead of going to uni or getting a stable job shes fucking streaming 24/7 while having a toddler so much the nip Incel moids called her out on it,theres another mom vtuber I used to watch but shes western and she makes it strictly clear that she will not expose her child or make a model of her when she streams.
and her larping as the main character from oshi no ko doesnt help either she has experience with irl stalkers apparently but still chooses to be a idol with her CHILD exposed to these fucking creeps shes a fucking horrible mother and if CPS exists in Japan they need to look at her immediately
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>>493912>I've already seen requests for the daughter to sing Loli Kami Requiem. Nona, more bad news. This shit is disgusting. She posted this on YT shorts and some of the top comments that were calling her out had been liked by her. She surely knows what she's doing and
>>494025 makes it worse. I worry for that kid.
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>>493912I went down a rabbit hole of searching up things about this vtuber and a tranny tried to get with her (picrel). Apparently when she first started the troon was her only whale. He paid for a lot of her necessities and even bought diapers for her daughter. She made him a mod and he was planning on a trip to meet her. They went as far as flirting in dms. I've seen some /vt/ anons say that the tranny only wanted to get with her to groom her daughter, which whilst unsurprising I can't find any proof of. I don't know if there's any more info or updates out there. Ray has gotten a lot more popularity since then and Flayon from holostars has raided her in the past.
Apparently this is the tranny
https://x.com/Lexycon94Trying to convince her audience that everything about this is fucked up would be less productive than talking to a brick wall. Unsurprisingly there's a lot of pedos talking about her daughter on /vt/. I understand that as a single mother she has to earn money someway, that single mothers are still quite taboo in Japan and that earning money working at home as a vtuber allows her to spend more time with her daughter. It's not as though she can hide the fact that she has a daughter as a single mom, the daughter naturally makes noise in the background. I understand all of that. Still, even if it's not her daughter's real face this is approaching levels of child actor to me. Child actors are a bad thing for a reason. You never know if the people watching are pedos or not and I worry about stalkers. You'd have to be insanely naive to not believe there's actual pedos watching. She's essentially making her kid into a public person before the kid is old enough to consent to that.
No. 494167
>>493601>the lack of variation in the designs they've been turning out is one of the biggest things that makes current Niji feel different than the old NijiWell, it's something that's bound to happen when you want to prioritize appealing to a less niche, more general public and you do what's known to work. The designs play a big part in what they've been trying to do lately, and that is going further down the idol route for their popular existing units and newer debuts. All in all, this isn't a negative thing overall as this also means getting to do some really cool stuff, but there's definitely both pros and cons to this new approach. I've seen some fans express a bit of disappointment over a lot of content feeling a bit more pre-planned and 'influenced' by management nowadays, when in the past there was more of a casual vibe and livers just doing what they really want to do. Not to mention, increased idol reps usually mean decreased stream time too. All this is an issue with Holo as well, I remember seeing a clip of I think Pekora? saying that management would prefer her to 'focus' on the idol and off stream work instead of streaming. I try not to worry about these things too much when it comes to my oshis though, I can really only hope that management isn't pushing and overworking them.
>Hololive has issues with the studio almost always being booked out as is with the smaller talent pool and had to put restrictions on how many lives they're entitled to each year. This has always surprised me as well, with Holo's talent count I feel like it should be way easier to manage. But that's also why I feel like Niji will eventually hit a ceiling as well and have more talents than what they can manage. So I'm glad that they've slightly slowed down on the acceleration, and hopefully they can give their existing talents proper support instead. I already see people complain about ''favoritism'' because some livers get to appear in a weekly 3D show, while their oshi doesn't have the luxury.
>Also this reply is so late but I just want to say thanks for the actual discussion! It's kind of rare in this thread!Same here! Trying to talk about vtubers in english-speaking spaces can be exhausting at times as so much of the focus goes to the drama and the stupid corpo wars, people rarely want to discuss things from a more objective standpoint or just talk about their oshis with no drama of any kind involved.
>>493839>I will say though that on average a Cover 3D showing has higher quality than a Nijisanji oneThat's definitely true, although Niji does manage to pull through and do some genuinely cool 3D stuff as well, it's just that it's often locked behind the paid concerts. I thought Kuroi shiba's 3D debut was pretty impressive though.
The general 3D quality is still pretty decent, but also not too spectacular. It would be nice if Holo also gave their talents the option to do 'simpler' 3D performances instead of giving them no options at all aside from the high-production ones (which are limited).
No. 494811
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>>494785I am so sick of these ugly dramatubers someone please bring Him back.
No. 494813
>>494812Link to a proper writeup with evidence that doesnt come from a retarded dramatuber.
>>494811Kek
No. 494867
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>>494766>>494821Stupid ass nothingburger. She was unprofessional but the artist is a scammer.
Is this the only proof of 200+ hours of work? A png pasted on, mirroring tool and a couple doodles as a "concept"?
No. 494935
>>494867id say the artist was in the right here (cheap or not) shes working and providing art for a custom pc (you have to count free pr and advert money and copyright leases) the artist has a right to charge appropriately because dokibird will earn more than what the artist will (this is a one time payment doki can still sell her custom pc again if she wants to and i hope the artist has considered royalties in her contract) dokibird not paying her and leading her on is scummy and unprofessional, you didnt hire a friend but a artist for your merchandise (and you should pay them for your commission over others)
ive worked with vtubers this is the basic professionalism needed if i took 200+ hours of your life which you couldve spend doing other commissions that could pay you early and i kept stalling you how the hell else would you react if not with anger?
No. 495043
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>only tweets gm/gn without a stream for days with no notice of a hiatus
>in Japan without telling us, got ambushed by Meloco and Shu to join the off collab so he wasn't ever planning on telling us
He's definitely visiting his gf
No. 495057
>>495043Samefag, forgot to mention that he puts that suffering emoji when he get sucked too good
>>495054Well you're gonna wanna take that back when you read what I just said. Sorry I'm not the model briskadet
No. 495065
>>495057I'll tell you this as an idolfag and a gachikoi but him taking breaks without notice isn't something new; I assume from the way you write you are romantically attracted to him and that is completely
valid but at the end of the day you are attracted to the character, not the real person behind the character.
Even if he gets himself a partner there is nothing wrong with that because at the end of the day you are just a spectator and nothing else, as long as he doesn't bring her on stream you can just ignore it.
No. 495228
>>495136kek seriously wonder how they even discover this site
>>495071>I want him to myselfI hope you never meet him in person cuz you might try raping him KEK
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>sudden guerilla right after I outed him>look guys I still thirst over girls I'm so not in a relationship!!Good to know he's been keeping an eye on here instead of 4chan
>>495086You're acting like me having fits on lolcow is similar to how moids treat female vtubers on public social media accounts. Nyfcofags need to stop protecting their 30 year old oshis on lolcow of all places. Males that make money off of women deserve to have self shippers pushing their boundaries and I'm not even stalking him. If I was a moid and he was a woman I would be going through his grandma's facebook page to find the woman he brings home for thanksgiving
>>495261Whew. I'll be waiting for him to ask me to join him
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Ok……
So any interesting events going on these days? From either the JP or EN side?
No. 495425
>>495358ENreco just ended for HoloEN, not sure how many people watched this time, though. The last one was something I really had fun watching with my oshi and the fact that she's gone now made me too sad to check in for this one lol.
If anybody watched, did they address at all that 4 people are gone now…?
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>>495378Speaking of Ina's new outfit, Flare was streaming at the same time and interrupted the game to watch Ina's stream on a separate monitor, and I think it was at this point where I got real tired of her over-the-top fangirling. The "ore no Ina" thing was endearing at first but I can't really buy into it since they've never had a one-to-one collab or even meaningfully interacted with each other in any of the big events. Noel fangirls over Subaru too, but at least they've interacted with each other for years and some of the unhinged stuff Noel does like the creepy Minecraft shrine or the recent "Which Holomem Wuvs Subaru the Most" stream is kind of funny.
I always thought Flare had issues standing out when in her Gen she's flanked by Pekora and Marine, but I feel like it's gotten worse now that her character is boiled down to "IRyS's friend" or "Ina's fangirl".
Oh, yeah, Ina's outfit, I like it. I can't get enough of the classic school uniform look.
No. 495474
>>495086What's nenmen?
Google isn't helping.
No. 495479
>>495475I'm familiar with nyfco and get district vibes from some of these posts.
Nyfco died with Selen but it seems some of that bled to other sites, including here. We can at least hope that the ones who are in consensual relationships Satwant creeping on co-workers or stabbing minor GFs.
No. 495489
>>495465Lol I don't think I dislike it quite as much as you but I get where you're coming from. I understand if somebody doesn't want to actually collab with their oshi and wants to remain a fan admiring them from afar, but Flare is really open on stream about her fangirling/brags about interacting with Ina at events while not actually interacting with her on stream. It's a weird gray area!
I've thought about this before, but for the other nonnies with female oshis, would you collab with them? Even if I was a Holo member too I don't think I would, or even say who my oshi is on stream lol. Being a silent fan makes me happiest, becoming part of the content I enjoy would almost feel like I'm tainting it.
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>>494167>All this is an issue with Holo as well, I remember seeing a clip of I think Pekora? saying that management would prefer her to 'focus' on the idol and off stream work instead of streaming.For sure, it's unfortunate though because while most of the newer hires come in with the obvious expectation that they'll be doing a lot of idol activities, it's not necessarily something that a lot of the old guard put first and foremost. I'd expect Pekora in particular to take umbrage with that insinuation because she's always been a very passionate streamer who views it as an actual craft. Marine's even said (not very seriously) that collabing with Pekora can be difficult because of how perfectionist she is about every detail.
I'm glad Niji actually doesn't seem to push the idol element as hard on talents that aren't into it. They don't seem to do a ton with SakuYui as a unit for example, relative to their popularity, and I suspect it's because those two joined to play games first and foremost. I have a hard time seeing Sasaki scaling down her streaming in favor of more idol activities haha.
Personally, I definitely compartmentalize what I go to the different orgs for, though, so while I like Holo upping the idol anti I'm always a little wistfully sad about Niji barreling down that route as well (I know it's profitable). I've always gone to Niji for the variety show atmosphere and while that commodity persists it feels more and more like a side dish to idol stuff sometimes.
>So I'm glad that they've slightly slowed down on the accelerationI was surprised when I first heard about how drastically they'd altered and downscaled their recruitment process! But I do agree, it's for the better. People make such a big hubbub about every little Niji graduation as a sign of a black company, and while I think it sort of makes sense for EN given the stories livers tell post-grad, I think it's unfair when it comes to JP companywise? I feel this way about Holo too, it's a job and people will leave, which makes space for new blood to breathe and shine. Nijisanji's exit-entry ratio was really skewed for a while, so while they're still jam-packed to the brim it makes sense to slow down new debuts.
Complaints about "favoritism" are funny… A branch NijiJP's size would have to grow multiplefold in profits and support staff to give every liver exactly equal promotion, I think. They do pretty well, everything considered.
>Trying to talk about vtubers in english-speaking spaces can be exhausting at times as so much of the focus goes to the drama and the stupid corpo wars, people rarely want to discuss things from a more objective standpoint or just talk about their oshis with no drama of any kind involved.I know, right? Disagreements are bound to occur but it's genuinely interesting neutrally discussing how the big companies compare and contrast. And it's not like the vtubers we love have enmity between them themselves, so why the squabbling…
>It would be nice if Holo also gave their talents the option to do 'simpler' 3D performances instead of giving them no options at all aside from the high-production onesI wonder if it's a brand standard issue for Holo that prevents them from doing that? As in, Holo doesn't want the appearance of lowering quality. Because it otherwise seems like an obvious solution to the impacted resources and scheduling.
I'll have to check out Kuroi Shiba's 3D debut! I haven't watched her maybe years…? I've been meaning to revisit her now that I have decent Japanese comprehension, I've heard she's pretty good for learners.
Not to make a long response even longer, but how're things with your oshis (I'm not sure if ChroNoir as a duo unit are both your kamioshis) lately? Any stuff you're looking forward to?
No. 495625
>>495512>Niji doesn't push idol stupid on those that don't wannaI'll be that person: it's kinda hard to push music when a former producer is outed for drugging livers and taking pictures. Hard to do much when a talent uses that as a reason to not go to a studio.
(Not saying it's all like that)
No. 495690
>>495469These people are called "pigeons" in Japanese and it's been etiquette for years now that you just don't bring up another streamer in someone else's chat unless she brings it up first. I was in Vivi's pre-chat last night and some dumb chumbud was asking the JP-niki there whether they liked Gura or if they even cared that she was gone???? Like geez, Gura's dead and never coming back, get over it.
>>495489If I was in hololive I think I'd never reveal who my oshi was, even if I was collabing with her. I actually do some creative work, one person in my friend group clearly idolized me and that awkward feeling of someone who you think is your peer buttering you up is something I wouldn't want my oshi to feel kek.
>>495592Just as with other duos like Niji's Crossick, they had issues with fans not seeing them as individuals so they agreed to keep their relationship off-stream. Which is why I thought it's funny now that Flare is all "ORE NO INA, KAWAIIIIII".
No. 495717
>>495690>that awkward feeling of someone who you think is your peer buttering you up is something I wouldn't want my oshi to feel kekAYRT, yeah I wouldn't have an issue interacting with her but if we're coworkers I'd want to keep that relationship separate from my appreciation of her as a fan. I'm too old to think idolization in that kind of situation is a good idea. (Not a statement on any of the Holo duos of a similar nature, before anybody makes a nitpicky generalization.)
>they had issues with fans not seeing them as individuals so they agreed to keep their relationship off-streamI didn't want to say anything since I'm not an avid watcher of either, but yes AFAIK Noel and Flare are still going strong with whatever their relationship is behind the scenes. I remember in a Subaru stream last year? Subaru was commenting that Flare is still wearing the couple ring she and Noel have had for years now.
It was really funny, Subaru was jokingly implying it felt like Flare was silently putting her in her place despite Noel oshi-ing Subaru kek.
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>>493912>>494025>>494071Flayon's boosting her, Calli's boosting her, and soon Ironmouse will boost her on stream. :(
Disheartening, I wish they'd do more research into who they boost before they openly support them. All of en vtubers have this problem I wish they'd learn from jp.
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Rewatching my favorite clips from Korone. Very few things fill my heart so quickly with such unfiltered joy, I really appreciate her streams. I was trying to check out some other streamers but nobody really compares to how happy she makes me. Sorry nonnies I have nowhere else to sperg about her
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>>495765A fellow Koronesuki! I'd love to hear you sperg more often!
Have you watched her most recent Chulip streams? Nothing makes me happier than watching her get all excited about a retro game she loves… Hearing her give a shout out to Love de Lic and associated games like Endonesia and Moon was one of those moments that remind me why she's my favorite. I haven't had a chance to watch the VODs yet but her playing SF2 recently made my heart swell with affection recently as well.
She's genuinely one of my biggest motivations for continuing to study Japanese.
No. 495956
>>495861Honestly if it was a grift with 2 adult women, it'd be worth it to just go along with the diaper donations and claim the money is being spent on baby formula or whatever.
It's very hard to stand out as a vtuber these days, so getting moids to believe they're keeping a cute lady and "loli" out of the streets is a great way to rake in donations (although obviously morally disturbing whether it's a real or pretend baby.)
No. 496025
>>495491>Trying too hard to drive away all Niji discussion was what killed the thread before anywayEverybody who says this is suspect to me as one of the actual reasons this thread went silent in 2024. We died off because during the Selen shock there were a handful of bad actors being intentionally obtuse and inflammatory in this thread about the situation and mods looked at the messof reports and threw the whole thread out instead of investigating and handing out bans (which, to be fair, you'd have to waste time learning niche drama to identify the bait and trolls). That's completely different than "driving away all Niji discussion". Strange that you view it that way.
>>496001Niji EN male fans really need to stay in their own safe bubble. Although it's telling that the Sonny schizo knew she'd be poorly received even in /vt/'s dedicated thread.
No. 496038
>>496001I've actually met a few NijiEN fans at a concert and I felt such pity for them. They had Ike and some blonde guy (Luca? The one who kept being around Pomu) as their oshis, their outfits being nothing but huge shorts and plain white t-shirts while having a huge lanyard filled with their oshis keychains and plushies. They seemed very hostile around people and were talking about how much they hated female nijisanji talents, complained about getting hated on twitter all while browsing some drama-related tweets. I felt sorry for the girls because i really think its better to spend money on better clothing and yourself in general than some tacky merch of a random streamer that will get outed as a weirdo one way or another. I hope they learned to do better and look after themselves than getting addicted to some disgusting moids.
I think the only other weird vtuber fans that ive met were KFPs, but unlike being
toxic they were acting too much like these "overly wholesome" people who kept putting Kiara everywhere, making it seem extremely culty. I know on social media kfps are just as bad as the niji fans ive mentioned earlier, but they weren't talking shit about girls irl. Not in public at least.
No. 496095
>>496038I haven't really encountered it as an issue with other NijiEN talents' fans but Luxiem tends to have very misogynistic female fans. Outside of Luxiem, Uki, Hex, and Sonny all have shit fans too but at least Uki's fans are just faghags that stay in their own lane.
I do feel bad for the general bad rap Niji EN's male liver fans get because some of them seem normal and chill. Doppio's a good example of a male vtuber who manages to be strange and very fanservicey without being disgusting or cultivating a mentally ill fanbase.
No. 496187
>>496038I've hung around vtuber meetups at cons, and I haven't seen this supposed animosity from female fans. The moids there were fans of phase connect or shondo/neuro.
Interesting though, women cosplaying/oshing holo or niji got along fine. But the second males enter the scene it turns into tribalist infighting, moids just have to turn everything into chimpout fights
No. 496206
>>496041>>495963Sorry for poorly wording my post. I mean the grift "makes sense" from a financial standpoint if you're an adult woman or 2 adult women who have no morals and want to rise to vtuber fame ASAP with a morally reprehensible but unique gimmick. Clearly a lot of existing vtubers and moids are falling for the "poor broke single mom" thing without second thought.
If it's 2 adult women, it makes sense that the "mom" has to pretend to be excited over diapers and such gifts as part of the scam.
But either way, it's disgusting, inappropriate, and the "mom" is certainly aware.
No. 496252
>>496187>shondo fansThese weirdos need to get their drivers checked. Shadows fanbase is the most terrifying fanbase that I've seen by far.
>phase connectYou will never make me watch this corporation, its filled with the most retarded fans. The fanbase is filled with the most idiotic people who believe anything what /pol/ says.
No. 496357
>>496194Tenma does have a day job, though. CCV not always translate to money, although I don't know how much she earns from vtubing so maybe she's just a workaholic who tries to keep a regular job. Which is very smart, but I wouldn't expect anything less from her.
I actively dislike Lumi, though. She's too much of a two faced cunt. Glad she had a dip in viewership, kek.
No. 496378
>>496187moids turn every little thing into some retarded culture war. remember the console war bs back in the 2000's? No women that were gamers back then gave a shit about what console you played on. Or even with anime, moids have to turn that into some weird tribalist bs about how shounen is the best genre and everything else sucks.
Most of them are genuinely exhausting to be around if you just want to enjoy anything.
No. 496388
>>496382they use vtubers as tools for infighting and proving how much better and loyal they are ("my oshi has more numbers and superchats than yours so shes better!!11 heres my autistic number tracking spreadsheet to prove it!"), than actually just enjoying the content thats right in front of them for what it is. I saw people literally do this during the justice SC opening relay where they made sure to give money to the other girls so they could beat ERB to prove some weird point about male collabs or w/e.
This is why genuine fandoms survive off of women (and the rare autistic moid) creating fanart/fanfiction, and why fandoms infested by moids become soulless and nothing more than AGP/pol circlejerks
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>>496386They’re just all around miserable beings who have no other light in life but vtubers. They can’t handle other people actively enjoying things they refuse to enjoy because it makes them feel ashamed for hating, which causes them confusion and further hatred of women that have lives (pointedly romantic partners and satisfying social lives) but still love to see their vtuber crush sing and dance on stage.
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I'm thinking… I might have a new oshi…
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>>495512>it's not necessarily something that a lot of the old guard put first and foremostExactly, everyone that joined early on kinda got fucked over because all this idol stuff isn't really what they signed up for, and that's why I really can't blame any of them for choosing to eventually leave. I also know that some of their fans also aren't that happy with streams not being prioritized as much, when it used to be their main thing in the past. Even as someone that does enjoy the 3D lives and all that, it's a bit of a shame that streaming gets sidelined for it (especially when streams are something the talent themselves wants to focus on).
I definitely can't see SakuYui putting their 100% into idol activities, they might appear on stage here and there but they're more of
a comedy duo. I look forward to their April Fools joke every year, I can appreciate the effort they put into it every time. Imo Niji does a good job in letting the livers pick what they want to focus on, whether it's variety/entertainment, streaming or idol activities. Although this only really applies to older talents nowadays, as they seem to prioritize hiring people who want to properly put time into singing and dancing. But at least the option does exist, while I'm sure that it'd be difficult for the Holo girls to turn down idol opportunities, which is why sadly graduation ends up becoming a realistic choice for some of them.
>it's a job and people will leave, which makes space for new blood to breathe and shine.Sadly that's how it works and I'm sure we'll keep seeing graduations as people near their 7-8th anniversaries this year. I do think that people accepted a lot of the recent NijiJP graduations pretty peacefully (as long as they didn't come with drama) because, as sad as it is, it's bound to happen at this point in time. Even if you account for the inevitable graduations, Niji could stop debuting livers for like 1-2 years and still do well, though.
>it's not like the vtubers we love have enmity between them themselves, so why the squabbling…Yeah, I always found it kinda funny how I'd see people posting about the latest Holo vs Niji drama, but then I'd take a look at the streams for the day, and there would be a NijiJP/HoloJP collab. I know that the corpo rivarly does exist among japanese fans as well, but at least the talents can collab together freely and it won't cause trouble.
>I wonder if it's a brand standard issue for Holo that prevents them from doing that?That could be it, but is not letting your talents do more than X amount of lives really much better? To my knowledge, sometimes they even end up using non-Cover studios for certain 3D stuff anyway, so it seems like a dumb and limiting decision.
>Not to make a long response even longer, but how're things with your oshis (I'm not sure if ChroNoir as a duo unit are both your kamioshis) lately?I would say I tend to prioritize their content together, but I do try to keep up with their individual activities to the best of my abilities as well(although watching 100% of their streams is pretty much impossible). They actually have a performance at Budoukan soon, except it's for Kuronan so it'll be more focused on variety and there won't be any singing. It's kinda funny that they're not performing as idols at Budoukan of all places, but it's pretty fresh and I'm looking forward to see what they come up with (plus I'm kinda expecting a concert announcement at the end anyway).
Also, Kanae got a maid outfit and I still can't believe it's real.
No. 497052
>>495718Being commented on by other talents unprompted is my metric about what a talent is really like behind the scenes kek. My favorite is how Laplus acts like a delinquent and provokes people on-stream, but Miko, Fubuki and Noel say she's really sweet irl. During holoGTA, Kanade even thanked Laplus because she brought treats for staff, which they then shared with ReGLOSS, but Laplus told her to shut up because it's embarrassing kek.
>>495719Honestly if you can get past the porn noises, she's still the chill gamer cat who has a beautiful singing voice. I do watch her when she's in collabs since she tones it down a lot, but it's just a shame she had to go full coomer.
No. 497260
>>497052What concerns me the most about Okayu is that this is somebody she became during her time in Holo and the way she talks about who she'd like to be in the future.
I don't innately have an issue with talents that like to play up a sexual angle, Marine for example still maintains a very sexualized character while overtly having a strong sense of self, as does Ririka. But predebut Okayu was fairly overweight by JP standards and likely never experienced the kind of male attention she started getting as Okayu, and then slowly became an increasingly defanged, overly saccharine version of her prior self. When she talks so frequently about how after x many years she hopes she's become an even more sexually alluring woman, it doesn't evoke a sense of real confidence. And out of the members of Hololive, I'd rank her in the top 5 of talents who are extremely attached to their fans.
It's just not a healthy base to grow off of. I say this as a nonna whose most watched streamer is Okayu, I think she has a lot of great traits. But the glimpses of her mentality she lets out are worrying.
No. 497445
>>497438might be keeping the shark theming and coloring too:
>same + ko = shark + child, “ko” also being a common ending for girls’ names>saba = japanese for blue mackerel>also kept the alliterative namingfeels a bit too on-the-nose honestly. if this is what she was going for, “shameless” is an understatement.
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No. 497871
>>496357nta but kek no tenma left her day job and she streams 24/7 a week and only takes weekends off
she was supposedly a office worker in japan (which is a lie because again she lives in Romania) most of phasecucks fans are mid 30s or early 40s so they can bankroll most of the superchats
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He's been sucked dry again… Joke aside I hate when my oshi goes on a hiatus and never tells us when we can expect them back I don't want to miss a potential coming back stream with stories. Does he think I have a job or something
No. 498482
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Kotoka is graduating. I don't have any strong opinions about her but I dislike it when vtubers graduate after making the company make them a new outfit that they use for literally just one stream. That could have gone to someone who will actually use it instead. The outfits take a while but she could stop it in the middle to avoid even more financial loss. In Niji the outfits are not dependent on your earnings so I kinda see this as Koto wasting the money I gave to the company through my oshi so my oshi could get new outfits and 3D.
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No. 498565
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>>498549KEK the world might end but Sonny Brisko will send you good morning and good night messages more consistently than your bf. Kotoka mentioned a couple times that when she was new and awkward Sonny was the one that included her in their irl meetings so I don't think there's any actual bad blood. Most of the livers don't seem to have anything to say though so they probably knew it was happening, just not when. Picrel is Alban's tweets since the announcement, not even retweeting the official announcement lol they're desensitized to graduations happening in bulk
No. 498584
>>498565kek sorry for that reaction, but I am used to watching holoen so his post took me out of the loop kek.
>Most of the livers don't seem to have anything to say though so they probably knew it was happening,I did think so, but since she was helping others with their covers and besides her new outfit, I was hoping it was just a break.
>>498482>That could have gone to someone who will actually use it instead.>I kinda see this as Koto wasting the money I gave to the company through my oshi so my oshi could get new outfits and 3D.Don't be so selfish, anon she probably paid it from her own bills and even so, she still deserves it.
No. 498588
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>>498584>she probably paid it from her own billsI don't think they ever pay for the outfits themselves
>she still deserves itI thought so and I loved that the outfit was unique with the sitting pose but it just put a bad taste in my mouth that she got the outfit only to never use it
No. 498597
>>498588>I don't think they ever pay for the outfits themselvesThey don't? I always assumed that just like in hololive nijis had to pay for their own outfits but maybe that's not the case
>I thought so and I loved that the outfit was unique with the sitting pose but it just put a bad taste in my mouth that she got the outfit only to never use itI assume she was planning to stay there for a while longer but from what I can tell she felt she couldn't do enough for her fans. A pity because I started watching her during her hiatuses and I wanted her to return.
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No. 498636
>>498626That's wild because Kunai had talked about how Niji paid for everything including flights and hotels and even gave every liver some pocket money to spend around Japan when she was a very new addition to Niji. It was for an event that she had no part in, she was adding nothing by being there but they invited every liver anyway. I'm just confused about how Holopro somehow can't afford the same when Niji can? They're not spending the money on the girls or the staff as seen here
>>493660 so what are they doing with it… Very rare 3D concerts can't be taking it all when Niji's also doing concerts.
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No. 498657
>>498607Nijisanji and Holo both pay for the early on genwide new outfits, outfits where it's just one talent getting a new one later on are often paid for by the talents themselves when they want one, but this isn't always the case.
Gura wouldn't have debuted so many talents as an inactive member if she was paying for all of them herself lol.
No. 498723
>>498636Where are you getting the idea that 3D concerts are very rare from? Putting aside the online only live events, Holo also regularly puts out solo lives for talent. If you keep up with the news there's some big performance happening every week or so.
The logistic issue comes from how impacted they are as Holo does seem to try to give big service to the EN and JP girls' fans through performances and events even if the talent has a smaller following.
The real criticism here would be how ID and HoloStars get shafted across the board even though some of them make more money than JP or EN girls, not whatever fiction you've just spun.
No. 498724
>>498721Be more specific. Name which incidents you're talking about and why the given explanations aren't sufficient.
As for your latter complaint, you'll have to take that up with everybody that's graduated from EN because aside from the initial termination incident she's one of the quieter grads re: her time at Niji.
No. 498728
>>498724>Elira being drawn gangraped and directly tagged on that picture which mas drawn by one of her fans and uploaded to danbooru>The people under Elira's vod comment section >Vivi's harassment resulting in her graduation Not sure why you're taking this as some sort of personal harassment when those people use her as a way to harass nijien livers.
>she's one of the quieter grads re: her time at Niji.Kind of weird before posting her apology she just had to inform everyone her dog has a new life long condition that requires medication, that's basically avoiding accountability.
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>>498736Speaking of that, which one is your favourite holo/niji design? Pic rel has always been my fave since Kanata looks so cute and her angel motifs aren't too overdesigned compared to later designs
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>>498746Me too, nonna! I love Kanata and how much care her artist puts into her character design. All of her outfits are well-designed without looking cluttered.
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>>498746Kanata is so cute! I agree with the other
nonny saying that all of her designs have been winners, too. She stands out by nature of having a good, clean design.
I actually really loved Fauna's design, it had a very cute and soothing forest princess appeal to it. Ironically I didn't care much for it when she first debuted, but after she became my oshi I came to adore it. Pretty neutral on her successive outfits though as I think the person beyond Fauna definitely has fashion preferences that don't align with my own.
If we're talking about sexiest design like the Kotoka
nonnie was though… Definitely Nerissa lol. I don't even think her OL outfit was well designed but I still went crazy because it was Nerissa. It's a combination of finding her base design gorgeous and thinking the girl behind it has an adorably goofy personality that really does it for me, I think. Gap, I guess?
No. 498828
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Nonnies, what's your favorite group theme outfit? Basically any outfit that a chuuba's whole gen got according to a theme, like the obvious New Years outfits, the Summer outfits Stars JP gets, Myth's formal wear, etc.
I feel like Kiara's NY outfit is really up there for me while being super underrated. The hair is just so cute! Also a big fan of Ina's third costume (the one with all the bows on it) and Miyabi's summer outfit.
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>>498828im a fan of the new year's outfits too. rio and zeta's black kimonos are nice. i like zeta's other outfits.
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>>498828I know it's pretty coomerish (and somewhat overdesigned), but I love Chloe's NY kimono. It's a white kimono with an orca motif and long, wide, frilled sleeves that being worn off her shoulders alongside a fur scarf. Her hair is held together with multiple hairpins on one side, and a black bow with a hair flowers on the other side; but her artist somehow managed to make it look cohesive.
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>>498746I love Botan's design. I love it so much. I wish I could be it.
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>>498746niji has a lot of nice designs. i really like rika's art and i believe her mama designed some hololive talents as well. when kotoka first debuted, i actually thought that she was designed by the same artist because of their similar colors. i know that VirtualReal isn't talked about here, but some of their designs are really my style and makes me wish i knew chinese, but meh. but from virtual real, i do like mikoto's design. reminds me of izuru
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>>498828I really love Bijou's NY outfit. It looks like a nightmare to draw all those details though.
No. 498977
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>>498828My recent favorite is Cecila's New Year outfit. It's simply gorgeous.
I also loved Mococo's, Nerrisa's and Bijou's New Year Kimonos. I generally love Ina/Bijou/Mococo/Mori/Towa/Polka/Kanata outfits, because their artists put a lot of effort and love into them.
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No. 499198
>>498977I honestly just love Mococo. It's the Fuwawa half of the pair that makes FWMC difficult to watch.
I know at the end if the day they're both in on it together but yeah they have distinct personalities and I actually find Mococo cute and likable.
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>>499198I agree with you,
nonny. Its clear to me that COVER wanted only Mococo in their EN gen, but both of them insisted on their decade-long twin gimmick. I really like watching Mococo's POV and solo streams, and when they stream together I only check the FWMC mornings. Fuwawa's voice is lovely, don't get me wrong, but I would personally be a fan of hers if she were more…different, if that makes sense? Mococo acts like a charming and funny gal, playing into her ditzy and wholesome shtick a lot, when Fuwawa is just…there? It also doesnt help that Mococo's design is more unique and colorful, and that with her easy-going persona makes her far more approachable.
No. 499784
>>499572(AYRT) Wow word for word felt like I wrote this re: the difference between the two. I don't really hate Fuwawa either, but she lacks substance that allows you to like the streamer beyond the gimmick. Mococo's more clear about her likes and dislikes and generally seems to be more sensitive– when they have to tell the Ruffians, "Hey, don't do this." it's always framed as seomthing that bothered Mococo or hurt her feelings. Fuwawa's a bit too frictionless.
Not sure about Mococo being the only one Cover wanted, though– the twins gimmick really sells and I think they're one of the few duos that could have made sharing a channel work without significant risk of issues down the line, on account of their codependence.
I do think a lot about which design was / was closer to the original single design before Cover hired twins, though. Unless they were scouted, which I know Cover does do on rare occassions.
No. 499831
>>498721You're not obligated to respect times from former employers after you quit. It's not the first time someone went to their mama and Doki was just lucky that niji management isn't very good about trademarking stuff.
And niji management really isn't good at the legal side if things, as evidenced by the fact that Mika/ Michi never signed an NDA before graduation. And they stole her (Michi's) money to pay their own taxes.
If she was trying to leave on good terms, then she probably wouldn't keep the name. You don't owe courtesy to shitty employers who try to ruin your job prospects.
>>498728Vivi? Isn't that Sunny V2? I thought they were streaming together after she left.
Idk about elira art but did Doki/Selen like or repost that art?
If it's not in her likes or RTs, it's fair to assume she either didn't see it or didn't like it.
No. 499852
>>499831>You're not obligated to respect times from former employers after you quit. But no one said that though? I was just pointing that it's rather convenient how there's always some dramatic reason why she can't do something.
>It's not the first time someone went to their mama and Doki was just lucky that niji management isn't very good about trademarking stuff. But they legally cannot trademark artists, anon, just like how holo can't forbid their artists from working for niji unless you view her as commissioning a model from her mama as some sort of "win" against EN management.
>Idk about elira art but did Doki/Selen like or repost that art? That was me naming incidents of the livers getting harassed and how she avoids taking accountability of her fans (which btw the artist uploaded that pic to danbooru)
No. 500109
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Phase Connect debuted 3 people a few weeks ago.
MariMari (Pippa's friend)
Sleepy (also Pippa's friend)
Clio Aite (Lumi's friend)
They all seem surprisingly normal by Phase standards despite Pippa/Lumi being their main connection.
No. 500123
>>500120Which was disgusting as fuck and it's enough for me.
I will never trust a Phase talent on not being a rancid pickme bitch. (Tenma aside)
No. 500127
>>500121She's in her mid 30s and seems to have lived the type of life that's rough on your throat.
>likes professional wrestling and nearly became one but had to stop because her wrestling partner dropped her on her head>had done drugs before>used to be a high level swimmer, allegedly has even said she used PEDs beforeI think the tranny-ness is just because her voice is low and rough but she pitches it up by a lot to try to sound more feminine, giving her the same nasally-ness of trannies.
No. 500251
>>499852"Some dramatic reason"? "Every time"?
There's been a lot of successful events,
nonnie. Both as Selen and Doki. Imo, she gets a pass because this is the first time I've heard about her having an issue after graduation, but I'll admit I'm not keeping track. Feel free to send info if you have any about other things she didn't do for dramatic reasons.
I'm not talking about mama alone. It's part of it, but mainly it's about connections to past life. Thus includes keeping the fan name, which you mentioned. That's also not trademarked. Just like there's no need to give up their connection to their mama or siblings, there's no reason to give up a fan name (unless it's Trademarked).
Also note that Niji was so mismanaged that they didn't even get proper NDAs signed from all graduating streamers (Michi being an example) so I doubt they trademarked things.
>Doki didn't acknowledge (or like or share) fanart of Elira getting rapedDoes doki even have danbooru? Is she responsible for constantly looking up ex coworkers who threw her under the bus? And how do you know it's not just ex-Elira fans? Or fans of one of the guys she's spoken to on stream?
Did vox ever take responsibility for reimu? After bringing her up during gfe asmr? Iirc, he just ignored the issue for quite a while. Doki hasn't individually brought up any of her Niji coworkers. She has zero obligation to acknowledge niji chuubas
As for Elira (and ike & vox) specifically, who were going to be her version of Kotoka & Finana by ruining her career, she has every right to actually insult them. But she hasn't actually done it.
> Livers getting harassedThey set her up to get harassed. If they're getting the hate that they tried to send her way, they should get over it. I've never seen a black stream member apologize for trying to ruin her career. Why should she care? Unlike those 3, she wasn't directly involved.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out.
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No. 500336
>>494927The cheapest option was 8.6k/8.8k usd & doki's budget was 7k with 200-400 usd for wiggle room
I think the issue was the number of hours (around 100 hours)
>>494867 No. 500434
>>500426Can none of you be normal about the orgs you watch? Niji vs Holo tribalfagging is like watching glass housed neighbors throw rocks at each other.
Both of the orgs have egregious examples of why they're mid at best and a few reasons why fans stick around. Get a grip.
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>doesn't tweet anything other than gm and gn
>doesn't tease anything
>doesn't reassure us that he's working on something for us
>takes the time to retweet Alban's birthday merch of all things
Fucking faggot
No. 500495
>>500426Selen/Doki didn't bait. She actually attempted. Unlike a certain niji dude by the name of Ike Eveland that niji heavily promoted as an artist.
And who tf ever mentioned holo in that?
As for women in niji: I'll admit there were some good streamers but there are good strangers in Holo too. And it's hard to like then when they throw their female coworkers under to bus.
When Rushia got terminated, her genmates, coworkers (see: Cali & Holo Death) didn't go out of their way to slander her. It's one thing tho have beef with your ex-employee and another to use your other employees as meat shields.
But Zaion and Selen were smeared by some of their own coworkers. More specifically, female ones. Now that they've moved on, why should we watch corpo Vtubers when we have better indie options?
If you wanna dickride a corpo, that's your choice. My oshis were Doki & Elira and given the circumstances, there's no reason for me to care about niji now, even if I listen to Elira & Enna's covers sometimes. Even if I did, who tf cares about random r34 fanart?
You don't sound like you actually like Vtubers do much as you like niji. Selen & Elira were in the same category. But now you have a problem with Dokibird, haven't even heard of Calli but absolutely will try to put other women (holo & indies like doki) down for women in Niji. But it doesn't matter to you if the men in that same company have a track record of being shitty to women when they're no longer useful (see: no longer coworkers).
No. 500503
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Inanis had the best Birthday concert out of all of the vtubers, imo. It's filled with so much creativity and I love her new outfit.
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I like Hololive and Nijisanji cause they are funny
No. 500637
>>500426Maybe it's because I enjoy idols, but when anons belittle hololive members and call them incel panderers just because they're idols,it stems from the idea that they should interact with men to "own the unicorns," or whatever other imaginary scenario they've created in their heads.
>>500495>When Rushia got terminated, her genmates, coworkers (see: Cali & Holo Death) didn't go out of their way to slander her. Did you astroturf this? Sankisei deliberate avoid any acknowledging rushia at all (with noel going as far as removing the rushia plushie from her background). Mel is a different case; even after her termination, other members still occasionally mention her.
>HoloDeathThat was an a unofficial, gimmick subunit of course they didn't say anything, they barely even knew eachother.
>Bringing Zaion out of nowhererumao
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No. 500894
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Ok maybe he's in Japan for work related reasons… I'm still keeping an eye out for selener but I got softer when I realized that he was probably planning to kill himself and maybe even tried after his family kicked him out and he became homeless which is why he said he's dying as the frog…
No. 500959
>>500637>Sankisei deliberate avoid any acknowledging rushia at all (with noel going as far as removing the rushia plushie from her background). NTAYRT but just wanted to clear this one up here: Noel had Rushia's plushie there until March 2024, more than TWO YEARS since she was terminated in February 2022. That plushie had been there longer than Advent has been around! Eventually she removed it for ~reasons~ (vidrel), but it's clear she has no bad blood for her.
It's the same with Pekora, she doesn't shy away from mentioning Rushia when appropriate:
>11 Feb 2023 HoloCure stream, talking about updates after hearing the 'Tonight is Halloween Night' BGM: "Ru-chan… she was here. There's proof she was here. Is there a chance she'll appear with 3rd Gen? I don't know. It's possible. She left a mark. It might be possible!" (spoilers: 3rd Gen update was in November 2024 and Rushia wasn't included)>11 Sept 2023 Minecraft stream, looking for diamonds: "Didn't I make a PekoRushi house for her 2nd anniversary? Rushia, thank you for everything. Thank you for the diamonds, too. Give them to Pekora!">same stream, reading a sign Haachama made claiming Rushia's house: "You can't do that! This is Rushia's house!"I don't know about Marine or Flare but then again it's been years since she's been gone, and AFAIK she wasn't that close with anyone when she was in holo, at least not close enough that they would regularly hang out off-stream, like Guutara/Choco-sensei and Kson/Coco. Really, it's less "deliberately avoiding any acknowledgment of Rushia" and more "there is nothing to say about Rushia". If you want "deliberately avoiding any acknowledgment", instead look at how awkward it is when Pekora and Miko play on the same servers at the same time while doing their best to absolutely ignore each other.
No. 500961
>>500958Let us know exactly how are they pandering to incels, then. I'll wait.
Nijisanji fans are scary and delusional and singlehandedly managed to drive me away from the entire company. I get still enjoying the talents despite the blackstream (not the trio, though), but this stupid console wars over vtuber agencies is nuts. Fucking nuts.
Each talent is different and their affiliation with a company shouldn't matter when enjoying their content.
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This thread is a mental asylum
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can we go back to when we had normal discussions and not tribalfagging? /vt/'s death really affected this thread because it really feels like they decided to migrate here
No. 501030
>>501025Selen's true calling was Vshojo wdym
>>501015You're not wrong I wish there were some chuubas that at least hinted that they want only female viewers but moids might doxx and threaten them. /vt/ needs to be nuked entirely for it to ever happen. I had hope of Scarle going the filtering out males way by making her pl content way back when she debuted but she went the exact opposite way. I can't even stand seeing her thumbnails anymore.
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No. 501092
>>500426Every time somebody gets on a moral highground about being a Niji fan I remember that one nonna that tried to argue that Vox is for feminists kek. I don't think either org is morally better to watch than the other but when you argue that Niji is righteous in some way you're treading on thin ice.
The worst an ex-Holo as to say about Holo are general complaints about corpos taking cuts/limiting talent freedom that are applicable to Niji as well, or that they got burnt out (yet most of them made enough money or built a big enough of a following that they basically don't have to do real work for a long time). Whereas with Niji even if you exclude Selen the ex grads are complain about how it ruined their mental, how former coworkers were creeps, how Niji fucked over their finances, how they received no support from management, the list goes on.
The only way you could discount the plethora of statements coming out of Nijisanji's former livers would be being a tribalfag a grade A tribalfag who immediately disavows anybody who leaves the company.
Not to mention how strange it is to argue that Niji is normal and for women when a known sexpest was allowed to roam free until public dissent about it got big enough that Niji had to suspend him (and we're going on half a year of zero progress on the front).
You'll probably just discount this as more negging from another NijiEN anti (false) but get a grip. You're embarrassing yourself.
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No. 501106
>>501064I feel a bit muddy about it too because of the work involved. Sure, the artists are usually industry professionals who aren't hurting for money (hopefully), but it still sucks that all that effort breathing life into a character gets wasted, essentially.
Tangentially related, I get but don't always like the change in content. For example, I liked Mysta back in the day, but Kuro's react content doesn't do it for me. I like the youtube format of streaming only one game per stream, and some ex-corpos do retain that (like Doki, Mint and Nimi) with more freedom to choose their games and content.
No. 501147
>>501141I love her and this is unrelated to her as a streamer, but Raora has the neediest and most coomery fanbase out of Justice, so I'd least expect her to have the highest female viewerbase.
The only way this makes sense to me is that Raora is the only member of Justice who presents a really unique skillset through her art. I think a lot of women who watch women just stick to Niji since it's also where their male oshis likely are, but Nijisanji EN doesn't have any professional level art streamers like Holo does so Raora and Ina are enough to occassionally pull them away.
That's just a reach and a hypothetical, though. IMO ERB is such a uniquely skilled singer in a market inundated with decent singers that I'd also consider her enough to pull somebody away from their usual viewing habits.
Unrelated, I feel like Hololive is very underrated when it comes to appreciating streams themselves as an art form beyond showcasing other skill sets. In the past few years various talents have really pulled off beautifully polished stunts through coordination and manipulation of OBS, in addition to storytelling. In this regard, I'd actually consider HoloStars to be best in the game as Flayon, Bettel, and Octavio are honestly just incredible at pulling off a story that is uniquely them and personal to them and their audience.
This is actually the main thing that keeps me watching Holo streamers over Niji. NijiJP manages to pull out something incredible from time to time as well, but all of EN's attempts at this have been so sloppy and cheaply produced that they're painful to watch. And then on the other end of the spectrum was Vox's ego-laden attempt at a story arc that drove away most of his core fans.
No. 501148
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Man, I’m going to miss her so much.
No. 501181
>>501147>I feel like Hololive is very underrated when it comes to appreciating streams themselves as an art form beyond showcasing other skill setsNTA, but interesting because i think the same with niji (ryushen's lyric/song-making werewolf game, the baseball tournaments, all the quiz/variety-like shows where you can see their creativity in their theme, chemistry and questions, mito's taiken reports, some of their script/ideas in their 3D streams, etc.) i do like watching Niji more because i also feel like they just get faster perms and have perms for games of more interesting variety than cover. IIRC from shinri's stream, they recently had to limit each member to 1 game request per month? idk if they changed it back though.
>In the past few years various talents have really pulled off beautifully polished stunts through coordination and manipulation of OBS, in addition to storytelling. In this regard, I'd actually consider HoloStars to be best in the gameif we're only speaking in the scope of big corpos. i think oga is one of the creative ones of holostars as well. how he scripted his anniversary streams and made everyone embarrass themselves by flirting with sushi nee-san, his ghost story improv series (for the raden fans, raden also did one with him recently), and his general humor during VCR and TRPGs
No. 501253
>>501181I was speaking mostly for EN! My phrasing may have sounded dismissive but I do think NijiJP is the OG when it comes to interesting stream concepts. To be honest I felt that the Corpo EN scene was really creatively bankrupt up until maybe Stars Vanguard's debut. Like, fans would come up with cool things, but the talents weren't putting out anything that really impressed me. Most of the interesting streamers applying creative minds to the streaming medium seemed to be in either JP or indie streaming before that.
Ryushen is definitely my favorite source for this, my favorite stream concept from them was the old battle royale stream where they got together with several other livers for a battle royale that was actually just them shooting the shit and fabricating insane battles between members lol. In terms of higher production streams, the male livers ikebo voice acting contest where they were one of the scenario writers was great too.
I get what you mean about StarsJP, although I feel like they've gotten a lot less ambitious with their concepts lately… and I had no idea that Raden collabed with Oga recently! I'll have to check it out.
This may be harsh of me but I don't really care what games streamers manage to get their hands on when they're corpo, I watch corpos mainly to see fun events and concepts that can be pulled off with corpo budget, support, and networking. For example, Fauna was my EN oshi and I actually think her graduating was for the better becuase she was just treading water as a performer outside of gaming and zatsudans. I do however think she's one of the most engaging game and chatting focused streamers in EN, though, and it's good that she can now just focus on that. She doesn't need corpo resources.
I might also be biased though because I prefer retro gamers and the big corpo scene is just generally not the most free in that regard. When I look for a particular game I want to see streamed, it's about a 50/50 that I'll find it with Niji or Holo. And because I prefer watching female streamers, it's an 90% chance I'll end up watching Holo between the streamers I recognize that have played the game.
Not to dismiss Niji's male talents with good taste, though. Mayunyun's Garage stream will always be legendary… I don't spend a lot of time on the general JP internet so maybe this is myopic of me, but when Garage got a modern release out of the blue I honestly attributed it to him raising conversation around the game.
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Wish I had watched her sooner. It's a shame she'll be deleting her vods but I can only hope she at least returns to her PL
No. 501299
>>501253>Stars Vanguard's debuthaven't heard about them much. if you have any recommendations, then i'd love to check them out. speaking of ryushen, i had fun watching all the participants in rikka's singing contest. i love seeing niji-holo collabs. i know that niji-holo/holopro connection spans a while so it was funny seeing some seethe and try to say suisei only joined rikka because of the sponsorships and that management forced her into it.
>I watch corpos mainly to see fun events and concepts that can be pulled off with corpo budget, support, and networking. im the opposite and while i'll follow corpo graduates to their PL, if their game choice doesn't interest me, then i'll stop. but as indies they have more freedom. rather than big production events, i like corpos for finding new vtubers, though their fun events are a bonus that also help with that. it helps that niji has so many people, but an unfortunate downside to that are resources and stuff not being fairly distributed to all of them from what i've seen from the sponsorships.
>Mayunyun's Garage stream will always be legendary… I don't spend a lot of time on the general JP internet so maybe this is myopic of me, but when Garage got a modern release out of the blue I honestly attributed it to him raising conversation around the game.i love fandom power being used for something positive. sango reviving interest in spain mura just by talking about it and now she's making it a thing to take her coworkers there. there are wild fans out there in the JP and EN side, so it's nice to see when they aren't attacking others
the collab only happened on oga's channel i think. there were some english translation clips from it, and their storytelling skills showed through.
No. 501342
>>500996>it's a surprise anyone in holo could have thatIdk about Raora since I don't watch her but it doesn't really surprise me at all if some of them had more female viewers than others.
>>501030>I wish there were some chuubas that at least hinted that they want only female viewers but moids might doxx and threaten them. I've seen them seething that vtubers give their female fans preferential treatment and would rather have other women as fans even when it's just them casually mentioning they appreciate women watching and not doing anything else. They also never look inwards and think about why vtubers could even appreciate female viewers more than the male ones, they just assume it's because the vtuber must be a lesbian or "unfairly" hate men.
No. 501356
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Nonnas, simply ignore the tards who bring up 'my corpo/vtuber is better than you'. These anons are clearly moids from /vt/ or (with exception) mentally ill individuals who do not even watch vtubers but are here to argue.
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No. 501468
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Sonny got 3 more followers in his private account… It's not even Uki or Alban. His following didn't even increase maybe Pomu's priv followed him back cuz she wasn't ready to become premarital oomfs and the other two are her parents… Who could he have met in Japan to let them follow him but he's not following back? Let me in taichou…
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>>501468Not gonna lie, anon even as a sapling I hope you get thrown into a psychiatric hospital imagine even feeling sad over a 3DP kek
No. 501521
>>500637Ayrt
Is there a black stream from Rushia's genmates? Or Mel's genmates? Or ANY other company? Heck, even legit black company escapes didn't have their own ex-coworkers (talents) try to drag them down THAT way.
I'm replying to a person who is making Doki's one issue and spinning int tho make every mini problem her problem when in fact most Doki fans haven't watched niji (especially EN) in a long time. If Elira has issues with fanart, she should take it up with her company. They can take it down.
>AstroturfingRiku tazumi? Is that you? Are you projecting?
No. 501542
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>>501356It's a shame that Anons here tend to listen to /vt/ moids rather than simply appreciating their oshis.
No one is making you watch any corpo/talent or engage in tribalism, its literally you, and only you, that forces yourself to think that.
No. 501582
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No. 501585
>>501356>>501571i don't know if you're talking about my posts, but i watch holopro, niji, and indies, with indies actually being the ones i watch the most, but as others have mentioned, vtuber discussion here outside of those from big corpos have a 99% chance of getting ignored. rather than tribalfagging, i was just noting the different appeal. the indie scene is chill, but can unhinged when drama unfolds. when i want solo streams, it's indie. if i like big collabs and events, then it's corpos. not every statement or observation has to be read as /vt/ tier competition discourse. while i want to talk about my less known oshis, i don't blame anons for ignoring it because you can't talk about who you don't know.
No. 501935
>>501871Yeah dw, I'm not going to say anything to anyone outside of what I already posted yesterday. I don't think anybody can say anything about this sort of tooic other than the people who are actually close to the person.
I just wanted to vent somewhere because the smoothbrained response overall was making me insane.
No. 502091
>>500996I'd really like to see a source on this because even Okayu recently said that her viewership is 11% female (this stream, don't remember timestamp
https://www.youtube.com/live/qKO3T6mKIno?si=Byb4olNHiFIX7sxy ), and I highly doubt she of all people has an above average ratio of female fans.
No. 502629
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I miss her so much
No. 503011
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>>503002Actual tranny in phase
No. 503044
>>503002>Yes, Clio is trans. He had was outed due to a YouTube video a few years ago. You're thinking of her friend Mako, not her. Mako's a tranny who got an old video dug up, Clio has not.
Despite how much people seethe about Clio, I'm yet to see any evidence beyond people schizoing about her voice. I feel bad for her, since it's clearly been something she's had to deal with for long enough that it's caused her to become more insecure about her voice. She's been getting accused literally since she debuted ~3 years ago, so if there was anything on her you'd have already heard it by now.
Source: I dug through the /vt/ archives because I wanted to learn more about her
No. 503083
>>503002Phase would never hire s troon, I can't see Sakana doing it and there are several girls who would be actively hostile to a troon in my opinion. I don't like Phase, but I'm confident in this,
>>503021Where do you think you are kek
No. 503135
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Anyone else watches Pekora? I've started watching her 4 years ago, back when she first met Moona through Minecraft and they started talking through their language barrier… I don't think anything will ever beat Pekomoon dynamic (maybe Aqua and Marine duo would, if Aqua didnt leave)… Pekora is such a great entertainer, that I am not surprised that Kojima has her as his oshi, and he even (finally) put her into his new Death Stranding game.
No. 503142
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>>503027>>503037>>503083A charitable interpretation: I think that anon is an illiterate retard who saw the word trans and just assumed TIF without reading anything, and was attempting to be transphobic about a TIF vtuber.
No. 503335
>>501525>"Doki's viewers can't shut up about Niji either because they don't actually care about her, they're just there to stick it to Niji">On a thread where the biggest complaint about Doki is not reacting to news about her ex-coworkers>Dragging niji in Doki's issues that are completely unrelated to niji>Making things about Elira who was never brought upYep. It's definitely Niji viewers that don't care,
nonnie.
No. 503353
>>501544It's not personal. There are some that hate your oshi, sure. But usually, there's very little exposure. People will either try out your oshi's content of you post it, or they won't. There's a reason you can post links.
For example, this video of Ollie x Michi is one of my favorites. It's so high energy chaotic. But I get that not everyone will like Michi's voice, especially if they're used to high pitched voices like most popular vtubers.
Your oshi is not for everyone. And that's okay. Even if people dislike them, it's okay. I know not all chuubas i like will be liked by everyone. And other people shitting on your oshi shouldn't matter. Are they right? And does that change your feelings? Shill, shill & shill some more.
Just don't be like the creep that seems to be stalking Sonny.
No. 503412
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>>503353I feel partially responsible for getting the stalker person more into Sonny by giving them obscure info about him. I guess it is what it is though. I stopped being involved in the Sonny fanbase a lot because his fans are just too intense and inflight all the time, so I’m not too surprised about their behavior.
I agree with your statement 100% in how as long as you’re not a stalker just share your fave, no matter who they are. There’s always gonna be people trying to bait arguments but just keep doing what you want. They’re the miserable ones making everything a problem while you’re peacefully enjoying your oshi.
No. 503424
>>503374♥
>>503413I love Chloe's Nisemono Ningen 40-gou cover! It's a pity that she had to force her voice to be higher, because she could no longer reach the deep tones she could in her last orisong.
No. 503444
>>503414Do you think every model by that artist is a Selen clone or something because Doki doesn't look any more like Selen, like, Daiya Fortuna or Dr. Nova. That artist just chronically draws the same face with various outfits and hairs.
If you have an issue with her choosing the same artist, take it up with literally every other graduate rich enough to comission their corpo mama for their indie model.
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Good lord
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No. 503521
>>503424i love chloe's high and deep voices, especially in 耀かし.
>>503423samefag, her voice meshes well here and glad she got to keep her IP.
No. 503695
>>503414There's nothing wrong with being attached to something YOU build, not the company. She is entitled to keep as many stuff from her previous ideas and work to use as she pleases.
Doki not wanting to be involved with Niji anymore doesn't mean she's not proud of the work she has done while under contract with Anikara.
No. 503745
>>503695>something YOU build, not the companythey were the ones who gave her the model, the budget and cover perms, she wasn't the one who made her character from scratch
>She is entitled to keep as many stuff from her previous ideas and work to use as she pleasesfair enough.
>Doki not wanting to be involved with Niji anymore doesn't mean she's not proud of the work she has done while under contract with Anikara.she based her entire new personality on everything Selen was. just because she doesn't talk about it, that doesn't mean she's not thinking about niji every single day. You're delusional if you honestly believe Doki basing her entire persona on Selen isn't a huge tell that she can't move on from Nijisanji and Selen.
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No. 503780
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>>503353Unfair that I get called a stalker when nyfco had apparently found his full legal name and his entire family and their job histories but I'm not even tempted to look for all that despite it being archived. I just look at his known private account that's not even actively tweeting. Why am I being blamed for being paranoid about my oshi graduating when he's in Nijisanji? I'd rather he come out about his marriage and bring his baby as a little vtuber than graduate.
(personalityfagging) No. 503815
>>503792Who the fuck is yumeing him kek. Also this is random but I can never take that Neurosama avatar seriously considering it used to be on the Nijisanji website lol. I know it's supposed to just be a default model for live2d but it just seems lazy to not even get someone to make a model.
>>503806I'm watching Elira play it. Also apparently Tenma is live and playing it right now. I've never watched her streams but I know some people here recommend her.
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Does anyone else know about Nijipast? I'm surprised their youtube channel is still up (less active but still) after twitter users freaked out over it and got their account suspended there
No. 503825
>>503815Elira's too obnoxiously twitterbrained for me to be interested in watching her tbh, maybe I'll check out Tenma if nobody better comes up. Never really got what other nonnies saw in her, even if she's allegedly less of a pickme than the rest of her corpo, her aggressive shock humor schtick is similar and gets old fast.
Scrounging around for some smaller indie or corpo member playing it since I doubt any Holo will get perms in a timely manner. I found Erika Byakko in a similar way when Pikmin released and had a good time (sad she's having trouble again with her new corpo, she's pretty cozy)
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>>503792Unfortunately, yep. There’s a good chance it could be spam from the same few people because it’s all happening in the same time frame but yeah. Not really much we can do and mods aren’t doing much either.
No. 503837
>>503832Petra and Elira both have the same issue for me where despite aligning with their interests they don't really have distinctive personalities so it bores me. Elira comes off as being more vibrant but really she's just the same rehashing of vaguely liberal keysmashing twitter user you can find anywhere in fandom spaces. I wouldn't mind Petra's astonishing normalcy if she at least had interesting opinions sometimes but she's painfully frictionless.
I'm just going to watch a JP vtuber for now since parsing the language still keeps things engaging for me and then pray that Nimi eventually plays the game.
I said I'd also be willing to watch a Holo play the game but realistically when I think about it, out of EN I'd probably only pick up a Cecilia playthrough. She's the only one in EN right now that has the right blend of interesting personality and decent gaming ability for me.
No. 503847
>>503836Farmhands generally seem quite inept at vtuber culture considering the times lolishit vtubers who are known to pander to pedophiles have "fans" who post here
ive seen enough screenshots of LC on Vt and insist they're totes women and the obvious self posting and samefagging and the clear dramafagging. Farmhands need a chubba lesson asap
No. 503853
>>503837>Elira comes off as being more vibrant but really she's just the same rehashing of vaguely liberal keysmashing twitter user you can find anywhere in fandom spacesI share a lot of interests with her, but for some reason I'm not interested in watching her streams but you perfectly hit the nail, anon. She's the friend I wish I had; we'd talk about we'd talk about BL or JRPGs at the weekend but her twitterism filters me. I can't stand Finana's coomerism or her voice, but since they're friends, I tolerate her.
>PetraNot much to say about Petra, she's cute and occasionally talks about her interests, but it's as if she's just company for Rosemi.
>CeciliaI think she's suffering from burnout or something because he has too many playlists but most of them haven't been played in months. Quite a shame, she modded factorio to include fanbase sprites, and then abandoned the game just like that.
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Lots of Love for Axel and Holostars as a whole.
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>>503815>Who the fuck is yumeing him kek.You don't see them because Neuro is pretty disconnected from the vtubers people talk about here, but there's more than you'd expect.
>I can never take that Neurosama avatar seriously considering it used to be on the Nijisanji website lol. I know it's supposed to just be a default model for live2d but it just seems lazy to not even get someone to make a model.They've had a custom model for a while now but it's basically just a redraw of the generic model
No. 503862
>>503853>she modded factorio to include fanbase sprites, and then abandoned the game just like that.noticed other holopro drop some of their games or a few not stream as much. i dont pay attention to twitter so wonder if something is coming up in terms of official events? usually happens when things drop off. and i think the factorio CEO talked about "consensual" pedophilia so it's not a loss for me when there's a billion other sim games.
>>503858this. i can also see why there are yumes. he was surprisingly respectful of all the female vtubers he collabed with including the degen ones and never engaged with flirting IIRC, aside from the mom/dad bit. i've found some new vtubers to watch through him and i expected him to be degen because of neuro's model, but he's been relatively normal.
>>503847i find the complaining about it just as bad and it wouldn't be as annoying in the first place if anons just didnt contribute the situation by responding. even before /vt/ went down, oshi talk or general vtuber news/content are too often overlooked for infighting or complaining, even now.
No. 503875
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Why are western men such whores
No. 503885
>>503853Yeah, I think Cecilia also just has a lot on her plate right now given that the whole of Justice is busy preparing for 3D debut. I hope she can take her time and come back again because I really respect her skillset as a streamer.
Same on Elira by the way. There are a lot of vtubers where I'd gladly be friends with them as people but have no interest in sitting and watching them stream for hours of my time.
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>>503887If you have his membership or get gifted it, it's a little hard to not admire him. He genuinely cares about the boys and starmin. I hope all his dreams come true
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No. 504279
Any opinions on Grimmi? I only remember her from her being friends with Shinri's roommate, but recently I've been watching her and she seems chill with a nice voice.
>>504119Not surprised tbh, they were and still are the most normie Holo EN gen.
I do wonder how long Bae will stay. On one hand she's extremely committed to the work she does with Holo and probably has accomplished the most in her gen but on the other she has such a career woman mindset that I can't see her being happy with just this far into her 30s. She's one of the only HoloEN members I could actually see still having a very successful and well-paying career outside of content creation.
The other being, like… maybe Fauna but research would never have paid as well as streaming does for her.
No. 504355
>>504339I've only really ever seen that happen with chuubas who were proven selfposters on /vt/ already. Even if it did happen unreasonably it would be retarded.
If you have recs, especially if they're retro gamers or JP, I'd love to hear them.
>>504321I totally get this vibe now that you mention it. But I also feel like this atmosphere disappeared from Promise as time went on.
People schizo a lot about why Kronii and Fauna suddenly stopped interacting, and I'm not interested in doing that, but that was around the time the gen's vibe changed drastically, moreso than when Sana graduated.
No. 504418
>>501092>Vox feministI remember that Ike has a lot of issues. Luca too, but his issues didn't come up till later while Ike stuff was on the known since day 1 of Luxiem debut.
That was known among fans (and all blame was placed on his ex for calling "i woke up to him fingering me" sexual abuse) before Aster or Luca ever came up.
Watch what you wanna watch, go ahead and shill your oshi, but don't expect expect people to ignore skeletons like that.
No. 504438
>>504421Despite Holo pulling in more talented applicants as it grows, Myth remains the most objectively heavy hitting gen across its members. Calli, Ina, and Gura all had concrete skills and preexisting fanbases to a degree that made them obviously strong picks, while Kiara and Ame's PLs both turned out to have past entertainment industry experience,
Every subsequent EN gen has gambled more on personality and eventual growth carrying the talents. Which I sort of like, there are obvious limitations but many members have been able to accomplish things as streamers that they wouldn't have been able to without Holo's resources and platform. So the investment paid off.
No. 504451
>>504355i think it has to do with how it's mostly only holo or niji who are posted here, so any vtuber they dont know must be self posting, right? the only one i know who did was gumpai which was a while ago. as for recs, 未明幽戯 does horror streams and readings with a nice voice, つつうらちゆ doesnt do retro, but i like her zatsus and she's similar to what i said about 野中ソルト here
>>504292 緋月ゆい if you want a decent sized corpo vtuber. for EN, CalaMariVT also has a nice voice and does rigging and art streams, occasionally plays non-mainstream games. Rina Astera for the fujos and unhinged.
No. 504556
>>504438My exposure to Vtuber was Ironmouse or Calli. I know myth and that's about it. One reason others didn't reach their height is people getting back to their lives after the lockdown. Or branching out from corpo to indie chuubas. Asking someone to pick a wave is like asking am Android fan to pick an iPhone. The level of commitment required to remember all waves when I just watch a few of them casually is beyond my capacity.
If you're talking about peak as in subscriber numbers, then it happened after myth. But you should consider that vtubing and streaming in general peaked years ago and it'll be hard to find the same level of engagement unless there's another lockdown
No. 504616
>>504565I thought it was about peaking and assumed it was numbers. Sub count was easiest to check but I'm sure there's a ccv list out there somewhere
I haven't watched everyone enough to know about all of their skills and don't plan to since I'm not their HR or a commentary channel.
Idk if it's that holo declined, other options popped up or if the novelty simply wore off.
It could also be management, since many of the talents that supposedly started out with hard and soft skill sets are leaving now.
Just watch what you like, and if you don't like it eventually, watch something else. I see this board as a good source for recs. Otherwise just Google your own hobby and vtuber
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>>504623Hololive pays for the events, 3ds, concerts, and their artists are famous people who are clearly expensive (eg Kroniis artist), they also have employees and they pay a salary for their talents too, so i am really not surprised…? The way holo talents get their own events is by asking cover to give them money, then they end up paying them back overtime (iirc according to Ina). I think its stupid to compare a large corporation over one indie.
No. 504764
>>504641>The way holo talents get their own events is by asking cover to give them money, then they end up paying them back overtime as the other anon said, they don't. you're misremembering it because that's what they do for song covers, but not events. funny you used a moona pic when she's the one who said she had to pay for her own 3D concert. this is backed up by other holos. and for non-mandated events, she and someone else have spoken of how she had to pay for her own ticket and hotel, on top of the already expensive 3D fees the talents are paying for out of pocket.
>salarytheir salary is equal to that of a part-time waitress's salary in japan, as per moona's words. nothing to be elitist over. you can be a holofan, but you don't have to be a bootlicker.
>I think its stupid to compare a large corporation over one indie.i think it's stupid you don't understand my point. im talking about how holo elitists will get amazed and say they've never seen so and so in a model before (over a starry eyes toggle lmfao) and how "it's the best model they've seen" (they've only seen holo models) when not only has it already been done, there's been more yet in the same breath they'll put down other corpos and indies with a blindfold over their eyes. is that clear now? popularity doesn't equate to skill so i dont see why you thought that was worth a mention. kroni's janky arm and body proportions, that rendering in that sweater outfit, rigging, and the rhombus faces that were prevalent for a bit have been made fun of before. smaller corpos and indies have gotten popular artists too so that's not exclusive to cover. popularity really doesnt equate to skill. doki's new fans who moved over from corpo were amazed at seeing plushie rigging for the first time… that's how sad the state of corpo rigging is. that's my point.
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>>504849Speaking of Sana, I am so happy to see her travel around Asia thanks to her success with Arknights. I also watched the Kronii/Sana Sonic 3 watchalong, and it was a lovely watch. Friendships like these are the reason why I watch vtubers instead of wasting my time on xshitter. I still adore Ina/Sana's song, too.
No. 505222
>>504648Mostly an explanation. But I guess if someone was trying to go on the offensive, they'd see it that way.
A company "peaking" is personal opinion, and mine is that I don't recall the name of a single wave after Myth. Talents? Yes. The group name? Nope. Except advent, because it's recent.
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Do anons enjoy shipping between members or not? Personally, I love micomet, but I cringe whenever other members engage in yuribaiting kek
No. 505892
>>505887It really depends, I like when they're obviously shipping their characters and not themselves, like with Nerissa and Liz. Most cases I just enjoy them as good friends (OkaKoro, AutoFister, MiComet), trying to frame the actual streamers as being in a relationship feels weird.
Even if they are more or less confirmed to actually be dating, I think it's just better to keep it behind the scenes. I was a Crossick fan back in the day so I know how it can go.
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>>505887I personally adore MiComet dynamic, but i am not the type to ship vtubers. I watch girls for their dynamics and see them as good friends…
My favorite duos/groups are:
>EN: Kronii/Kaela, Ina/Baelz, Kronii/Raora>ID: Moona/Pekora, Kaela/Anya, anyone with Anya because she has a special bond with everyone. She is a precious and extremely underrated girl.>JP: Botan/Watame, Botan/Lamy, Subaru/Choco/Luna/Botan unit, Okayu/Korone
>With graduated membs: Aqua/Marine, Aqua/Shion, Gura/Kronii, Fauna/Kronii, the entire SNOT crew, Fauna/Reine No. 506501
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Anons try to not reply to bait (100% impossible)(avatarfagging)
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No. 506675
>>506619Dokibird
MichiMochiVee
Matara Kan
Geega
No. 506686
>>506619Mintmai (chill games, zatsu, and art)
NanaAsteria (music and zatsu)
Auteru Tori (mix of indie horror and popular games)
bossymoon (RPGs and same as above)
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No. 507406
>>507120She's clearly mentally unwell and has some weird stances resultant of growing up in the wrong spaces online, but I find it telling that this video comes out as if to discredit her while she and Aster are both on hiatus for his sexual harrassment investigation. Even before things went highly public, it was known that she was not the only
victim, of Aster or his PL. It's unfortunate that she's taken so much of the fall.
Nijisanji is also still making money off of Aster through merch and voice packs that he gets a cut of, while she's been cut off of monetary income from them for who knows how long. Just a bad look on all ends.
No. 507497
>>507406She's still in voice packs, not sure what you mean.
>>507493I hate that retarded faggot and wish someone called him a fag for all the times he calls women bitches. But people are hypocritical and act like bitch isn't a sexist slur.
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No. 508322
>>508264I find her voice really regrettable as she seems like the perfect fit for me contentwise. But regardless of the reason for her voice it's just actively grating to listen to.
Did you not mind it from the beginning or did you just get used to it?
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>>508722No idea why did you get this pissed, anon. I only asked for kotoka recs since I watched a clip a while ago of her trying to flip an omurice onto another plate, which I thought was actually pretty funny kek
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I guess she's really attached to the fish theme. The blonde hair is new at least
https://x.com/samekosaba/status/1934414502977736793 No. 509284
>>509273Good riddance to the pedophile enabler. May she burn to the ground and spend less time on 4chan defending herself. Sadly her model is kind of cute, though.
I do think firing Aster would mean acknowledging they have been covering up for sex harassment and create another scandal. Same reason why I think they won't publish any termination notice for Twisty. It's been 24+ hrs from her channel wipe.
No. 509292
>>509284It honestly makes me feel bad for her that the only people sticking with her are the people who enable her bad behavior. If she made some proper friends in Nijisanji they should be having a talk with her about getting her self worth from incels. I get why every normal person is angry at her for her loli pandering but she's very young, in her very early 20s at the oldest, so I feel like she has potential to be talked into looking at her behavior with a more sane mind. Before nonnies attack me I hate pedo panderers as much as every other
nonnie itt but it's sad to see an awful feedback loop that will obviously make her more menhera and depend on pedos instead of taking the chance to review her life and make better choices. She's just too young to not get stretched too thin under the pressure of being the public enemy no1 for everyone in the vtubing community except for pedos.
No. 509300
>>509292No I totally agree with you. She's an unwell girl whoKs grown up in the wrong spaces and fallen into a career where getting worse is encouraged by men looking to take advantage of her. It's a story you see a thousand times but you still hope the next one can make it out.
I have my criticisms of Niji's management but I honestly think being in Niji could have been good for her if Aster hadn't been around.
No. 509732
>>509702Back when I was an active fan of NijiEN, Aster was the worst performing male vtuber in all of EN I’m pretty sure. He was an awful streamer and constantly raged during video games and always made the vibes of streams so incredibly awkward. He never ever improved in anything he did at all and responded badly to any criticism he would receive.
At some point when Kyo was still there, Kyo attempted to make an ongoing podcast featuring him, Aster, and Ren but of course that idea died because Aster was such a personality-less hunk of nothing that made watching those streams unbearable. There’s also the fact that Kyo caught onto Aster’s behavior and made it a point to distance himself from him.
TLDR he was a snooze fest, talentless, awkward fucking streamer who didn’t really have anything going for him at all. Why the company didn’t just take the opportunity to immediately boot that fucker out I don’t know. Why parts of the fanbase are now defending him like crazy when there’s never been any love for him before this is also something that’s baffling. I hate this talentless hack.