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Discuss all topics pertaining to Autism, Aspergers or ADHD/ADD experiences as a woman here.
Talk about the difficulty of diagnosis as a woman, the struggles that accompany autism, or share strategies that you developed to help cope with your diagnosis. For anons with ADHD/ADD, discuss your struggles, or share your advice to cope with your issues related to your attention disorder.
Or even discuss your thoughts on how recent attention to autism/ADHD on social media affects those afflicted.
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>>2346467I think it's really different for everyone. I mask most of the time, but I have to choose different masks (so to speak) depending on the situation I'm in. You have to be like a mirror; reflect the atmosphere around you. If I'm at a book club, I'll be more verbose, more sarcastic; if I'm at a party, I'll be more bubbly, more energetic; if I'm at church, I'll be more solemn, more pensive. All those traits are part of my core personality, it's just about choosing which parts of me to show the people around me in a given situation.
I don't think of 'masking' as anything major. I think it's just about projecting a good, friendly personality. A lot of people, autistic or not, act differently out in public than they do at home. I don't think masking is about
becoming non-autistic, it's more just about blunting some of the traits that normies find the most grating. Like, when I'm around people I know & trust, I'm quite the chatterbox, but of course around strangers I need to reel that in and be more careful with my words.
>Practise by asking for help.I'd really caution against this. You never want to look too naïve, or too helpless, in public. Asking for help might seem to get you more attention, but it puts a target on your back too. It's better instead to talk about open ended things, like: weather, recent events, or appropriate situational topics. Almost everyone will complain about the weather with you if you bring it up. Small talk is actually really easy once you get the hang of it, I'll never understand people that "hate small talk."
>Mirror the other persons body gestures Don't do this.
No. 2346486
>>2346471>>2346474That's true, nonas. I'm just trying to get a conversation going regarding socialization. I'm on my way to peruse previous threads.
I find it that "being myself" doesn't work often. I am energetic and I like attention and talking to people, so my default state just makes me spill out my differences so much more easily and NTs start to take me for an idiot
No. 2346717
>>2346476You must live in Heaven and I'm jealous.
>>2346515The trick is to keep the conversation light and the questions general, like "did you see any good movies lately?" and not "what's your favourite movie?" The questions should be vague and open-ended, not specific.
No. 2347217
Here are a list of things that ive internalized and have been working on over the years. I would appreciate if you would leave your own tips in the comments. It would be nice to make a master list of social tips and tricks. Ive probably missed some things, and im hoping you guys will fill in the blanks and teach me some new things. Apologies if these are written strangely, I'm not the best at articulating my thoughts.
Maintain meaningful eye contact to establish presence. Shifty eyes can indicate discomfort and a lack of confidence.
Stop speaking from the back of your throat and start speaking from your chest.
Avoid looking at the floor, always look straight forward or up.
You can practice the way you talk by recording a conversation with yourself every day. This helps you articulate yourself better, which is a big aspect of confidence.
Smiles and laughter are contagious. Same with enthusiasm.
People love hearing their names, say them frequently. Nicknames may also help to endear you to them, but i haven't thoroughly tested this.
Chest out, shoulders back. Good posture = confidence. Take up space. Hold yourself like a king.
A conversation takes place entirely in the moment, stop thinking about what youre going to say, or what you have said, and work on being present. Devote all of your attention to the conversation at hand to establish presence. When you find your mind wandering, take a deep breath and bring yourself back to the moment. On this same note, avoid fidgeting (sign of discomfort) or playing with something (like your phone) when in a conversation.
Whether people conciously realize it or not, anxiety is always noticeable, and infectious. Take a deep breath and calm yourself.
People like beautiful people, but theres only so much you can do to your face. Be healthy and dress nice to maximize your looks. (Theres a whole lot i could go into on picking the right outfit for the occasion, but itd be too much for this post)
This one is a half baked observation that i haven't properly tested yet. Beauty comes from symmetry, but if you're anything like me, youre not beautiful or symmetrical. Slightly exaggerated facial expressions (dont go overboard) can help to hide this and probably make you seem more personable.
Ask people for favors. People like feeling useful.
To establish friendliness (agreeableness?), sit next to someone rather than across from them.
Body follows mind, mind follows body. Its almost impossible to conciously maintain confident body language. But if you can get yourself in a confident mindset (fake it till you make it works wonders here) your body will follow. Equally, if youre having a hard time getting yourself in a good mood, go somewhere private and throw your hands in the air, start dancing, jump around, etc. This one is lame, but its hard to be in a bad mood when youre like that. If you have good enough charisma you may actually be able to do this in front of others and you might find that your projected exitement becomes contagious (caution, know your crowd).
Adding on to the last point, to be charismatic, you need to be in a charismatic mood. A bad mood will ruin your social skills, so learn to control your emotions.
Make people feel unique and special. Modern people like hearing about how theyre different from others (in good ways).
A persons favorite topic is themselves. (This is a big one)
Compliments are great, but make them meaningful. Compliments on appearance tend to have less of an effect on women, but both men and women appreciate compliments on personality traits like kindness, attitude, intelligence, etc. Strike a balance though. Dont excessively compliment lest they take them for granted and they lose their value.
Make people associate your appearance/presence with pleasent things. You want to reward people for talking to you and being around you. Gifts and good smells work well, but good feelings work the best. This one is difficult to establish (im still trying to figure it out myself, I would very much appreciate if someone could add on to this), but try not to make people associate negative feelings with you (awkwardness and anxiety are big killers on this one).
Make people seek you out. If you initiate conversation too often, it can turn people off from you. Conversation with you is a treat, people should come to you to earn it.
Mimic body language. In the event that your partner is exhibiting negative body language, continue to mimic them but slowly transform your own body language into that of confident body language, and oftentimes your partner will follow and inadvertently cheer themselves up. Mind follows body.
Adopt certain phrases/sayings/metaphors/etc based on the interests of the person youre talking to.
First impressions are incredibly important
Establish yourself as reliable. Be the first to rise to a challenge. Be the first to speak when the waiter asks for your order.
A healthy amount of mystery is important to keep people interested in you.
Offer comfort, not advice (unless asked).
Recognize harmful thought processes and quell them quickly. I tend to sabotage my own conversations when theyre going too well, and i start doubting that i can keep it going. Recognize these doubts, take a deep breath, and regain your presence.
Good social skills are boosted by a genuine love and interest in people. If you want a reliable way to practice social skills, eat at a restauraunt alone and make conversation with your server. They have an incentive to talk to you (tips) so you'll always find a decent conversation partner.
A lot of your social skill has to do with your internal state. Its difficult to do anything socially when youre also trying to overcome anxiety, apathy, and low self esteem. Most confident people never have to think about things this hard. Think of the queen bee in high school, or the stars of the football team. Everybody loves them, but i don't remember seeing any of them pick up "how to win friends and influence people". The strength of us less charismatic people is that we've been forced to assess our own inadequacy, and through diligent research and study, we've learned the ins and outs of conversation. We have comprehensive and thorough knowledge of what makes people charismatic. If you can conquer your internal roadblocks, talking to people will be a walk in the park.
No. 2347238
>>2347217Not trying to be mean, but a lot of these aren't "tips," they're traps.
>>2347237You missed the conversation by 9 days.
No. 2347389
>>2347237>Getting diagnosed with autism as an adult is near impossible.Maybe for you, I got diagnosed really easily as an adult because I simply fit the criteria. I'd personally say there were some "red flags" to me getting diagnosed, and I still got it.
>>2347254I don't mask so I didn't really understand what it was until recently. I thought like you that it's just like when normies have different personalities depending on the situation, like being serious at work and goofy at home. But it's not, it's supposed to mean when autists (iirc coined specifically for female autists because men didn't tend to do it at all) mimic actions of normies to fit in.
To give an example. A football team has red shirts, so the normies who are fans buy their red shirts. A normie sees that and goes "oh I'm not super into sports, but I don't mind representing the team when we hang out together" so they buy one. An autist sees it and goes "wait they're all wearing the same clothes? I must also buy and wear this shirt since that seems important to do" and then they get confused when someone asks who their favorite player is because they didn't understand it was a football thing. They were just mimicking without understanding in an attempt to fit in. That's masking.
No. 2347437
>>2347217My first tip is to learn how to space things out so you don't post a massive hard-to-read wall of text.
>>2347238>Not trying to be mean, but a lot of these aren't "tips," they're traps.No idea what this means, I think most of what anon wrote are good general pointers to social interactions?
No. 2347463
>>2347289>you don't mask at allTrue, because masking is not real.
>you have no friendsAlso true, but it's more due to voluntary isolation than anything.
>>2347389Literally bullshit. Every normie tries to fit in.
No. 2347714
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>>2347500>It’s so hard to work on something so ingrained thoughThat's why it's "work on" and not "get a magical 5 second fix". See a physiotherapist and explain your issues, just be honest and tell them you're autistic and that you feel this is an issue for you. There's no reason to wallow in self-pity when people have it as their job to help you sort it out! Worst thing that can happen is they go "nope, you're unfixable" but at least then you can actually say you tried and it's not your fault.
Cheaper options include looking up videos on youtube on how to improve your posture and try their exercises. And if you like other anons mention are seriously worried about how you walk and want to change it then it's super easy to study it. Look at any video or movie that has women walking normally and you read it as normal. Then set up your phone to film yourself walking around. See if you can pin point more exactly what it is you do that they don't. Using my own experiences in what I think looks "off" when others walk you could look for:
>not keeping your back straight (I think this is the biggest offender)>shoulders up too high like you're covering in fear>turtle necking (again related to keeping your back straight) by sticking your neck out forwards instead of up>shuffling your feet, not lifting them off the ground properly>hand placement 1, keeping your hands/arm against your chest/front area so it looks like you're sneaking around>hand placement 2, wildly waving your arms around too much (kids do this a lot)If you look at picrel you can see that literally just changing the posture makes this woman look totally different, the left looks like she'd awkwardly shuffle along by default. Even if the left walks normally with her legs her poor posture is gonna give her an air of "lurking" which looks off. Just by making sure her back is straight she instantly just reads as normal. And the good thing is that practicing keeping your back straight and in a good posture can be done anywhere at any time! Even if you're out around people nobody thinks adjusting your back to stand or sit up more straight is weird in any way.
No. 2347776
>>2346467Look a bit above the nose, like the lower forehead next to the eyebrows in order to fake eye contact. Be sure to not stare too intensely and to look away briefly at certain times, but not too far away from the speaker or they'll call you out as rude or distracted. Make sure not to look away and instead try to have a more relaxed posture/eyelids when you're having a serious or emotional conversation or you'll be accused of being insincere.
Give some type of confirmation or reaction that you're listening, like nodding "hmm-hmms" or gestures and changes in posture.
Since we're talking about posture, does anyone know how to walk less "weird"? I've been clocked before just because of the way I walk, is there any guide on how to walk or something? Even when I have a nice posture my movement looks off.
No. 2347837
>>2347728>Scoliosis is a bitchWith all due respect, if you're any of the previous nonas who said "I don't know how they spot me just from walking or what I'm doing wrong" while fully aware you have scoliosis… I think you do know why. In that case you could literally just inform people you have scoliosis and they won't think you're a retard just because you walk funny. I still think keeping your neck and head high would give you the appearance of looking more normal.
>>2347776>does anyone know how to walk less "weird"? I've been clocked before just because of the way I walk, is there any guide on how to walk or something? I wrote all
>>2347714 and you won't even read it smh. If you're able to tell you walk weird, you should be able to compare yourself to an average person walking and spot what is different by playing both videos over and over. If the way you walk looks normal to you, why bother trying to change it?
No. 2347980
>>2347880That was not being aggressive, I mean this genuinely and nicely but you should try to not take everything as a personal attack on you. It's a normal post, I just don't walk on egg shells with my fellow retards and instead treat them like I would any normal person including some light sass.
>>2347886You're welcome nona! Good luck with whatever things you were brooding over. Sometimes you need to get the brooding out of you before you can snap out of it and go get things done I love you too go get 'em girl
No. 2348704
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>>2348564bitch I'm autistic, what else did you expect kek
No. 2348858
Don't get mad at me don't get mad at me I'm just severely autistic and confused, I don't understand the world around me.
Soo does any other autistic here also doesn't understand human sexual intimacy? To me it looks like all the ways as a woman you can get stimulation in heterosexual intimacy or all the things you can do in it is serve dick, as if everything exists for male pleasure for expl. I don't understand why women suck dick if it only serves men. So my problem is that I can't comprehend sexual intimacy due to this and I get overwhelmed while trying to even understand it, bc sometimes this shit makes no logical sense like the sucking dick shit they say they do it for their own pleasure, but it only pleasures men physically. Another thing is that the most realistic sex video I've seen was some twitter couple, natural lighting, normal camera, average bodies and even tho the movements were slow, the woman looked like she's being stabbed in the mouth, her mouth looked stretched from male genitals. It looked like sadomasochism. Sexual intimacy looks like sadomasochism to me and I cannot fucking understand it. I don't even understand female sexuality and the meaning of it, anytime women share their sex lives, I just hear male pleasure male pleasure male pleasure male pleasure. I wish someone could explain it all to am autist like me, because I can't get a natural thing, and I'm constantly agitated over the way sex looks like for women, I don't understand why as a woman I have a position in sex that makes absolutely zero logical sense to me, because sex is supposedly supposed to be something cool, fun where you get served and have power. I don't understand the intimacy between a man and a woman body… Why is intimacy for a woman about male pleasure? I don't understand sex… Please help me anyone else feels like this, I know a lot of autists can't comprehend sex either. I'm soooooo fucking confused over other women sexual behaviors, but I'm not allowed to ask questions, I'm not allowed any explanations. I'm a struggling autistic kek
No. 2349252
>>2348858Anon you clearly have an unhealthy sexual fixation. Like
>>2348947 said there's literally no reason for you to "understand" any of it unless you want to partake in it. The fact that you literally watch blow job videos on twitter tells us a lot about how fixated you are and what kind of hyper sexual spaces you hang around. Most normies think at least one if not all aspects of anal sex, BDSM, pegging, choking etc is gross and wouldn't ever partake in it, but they don't hyperfixate on it trying to "understand" it. They just think "ew, sounds gross and not for me" and move on.
I would even say not understanding and sharing sexual turn ons of others IS the norm. Grab any average middle aged bloke of the street and 99% of women would think sleeping with him sounds repulsing, but he has a loving wife at home who has eyes for no other man. Nobody else on the entire planet sees him in a sexual way but her. Going around all day fixated and wondering how the hell she can see him as sexually attractive would be insane, would it not?
No. 2349308
>>2349237Do you open up about yourself?
>>2349239This happens to me too. I’m good at making charismatic first impressions.
>>2349270I feel this. Are you a good listener? I often become a good sounding board for talkative people
No. 2349334
>>2349252>>2348947Literally everywhere else, everyone overshares the details of their sex lives or fantasies which are the actual facts. If someone has a libido of fucking course they want to have a sex life and be involved. Is it not true that women experience pleasure differently from men when they have sex with each other. Why can't you just be straightforward about this when someone asks anonymously. Why is it such a violation of privacy when you're probably going to sperg in another thread about how much you love dick.
>>2348865This is retarded. The main way women have sex is PiV. They experience pleasure from a man going inside of them. So a man getting pleasure from feeling the inside of their body. Instead of experiencing pleasure from going inside of something. Why are they satisfied with this difference. What is so empowering/desirable about being the female getting fucked by a man?
No. 2349378
>>2349334All I see is too much yapping and not enough time documenting insects. This is the autism thread, obsessing about dick
can't be your special interest. What do you actually do for fun?
No. 2349646
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I love my autism. I think that having autism is one of my favourite things about myself. Sometimes I feel so much joy inside me that it seems like my heart is gonna burst. I love all my autistic family and autistic friends too. Sometimes I sit in the sunshine by flowers and trees and I pray that everyone can feel this lightness that I feel.
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>>2349646I'm catching your good vibes and sending them right back atchu
nonny. Thanks for being a bright spot, and hope your next time in the trees is full of crisp fresh air!
No. 2349742
>>2349698She is aimless often. She's at university but keeps skipping days and is behind on all her coursework but then takes a holiday for 2 weeks because she doesn't seem to grasp the seriousness of passing school (she's not rich but she still visits some of her ex boyfriends), however she goes into child-mode whenever her boyfriends get aggressive because she never learnt how to deal with angry people. Instead of avoiding drug addicts she'll date them instead because she thinks she can save them for some reason. She dated a coke addict and he actually went to prison for using his business loan for drugs and was 20k in debt, before he went to prison though he stalked her and stole her car (but she got it back luckily and even paid the parking ticket he purposely made her get by illegally parking it). She also
sent this guy nudes and videos of herself because he asked for it, without questioning what a drug addict (who is always looking for money) would do with them. She also dated an alcoholic who blamed her for everything afterwards. It just doesn't seem like autism it seems like PTSD and she's just cycling through shit and repeating her trauma compulsively. She's too childlike despite being in ner late 20s.
>>2349704ayrt. Okay, that makes sense. I thought it would've helped her get better help but maybe her tutors will actually listen to her now she's got a diagnosis of autism at least.
No. 2350081
First of all, I don't understand why I'm being gaslighted this much, second why all of my points got dismissed, third this a thread for autistic women too and we struggle with human intimacy.
>>2349252And everyone says that this act is a normal sexual act in human intimacy so I'm trying to understand human sexual intimacy because I don't understand why as a woman I am so cucked in it and it agitates me, sex is a natural thing I'm trying to comprehend
And also sex is not nuanced, the way humans get stimulation is the same for every woman, and for every man, based on sex. And I just don't understand it all and why I have a problem with sexual intimacy, why I have a problem with all of these acts, because during them you have to experience submission like while sucking dick which anons most of the times say is a normal part of a human sex life. I'm genuinely struggling and all of you just gaslight me and say wrong shit like saying that I have no idea what real sex looks like. You don't need to have sex to know this, also power dynamics are natural in sex therefore in human intimacy which hating makes you a disordered person and I'm disordered but I got accused of being a pornsick fixated freak instead but the woman who suck dicks a e supposedly not the ones fixated on dick, it's completely meaningless and neutral! Evil me for talking about the taboo topics aka sex meanwhile the whole internet is allowed to shit out posts about it all the time, everywhere.
(off topic) No. 2350087
>>2350081This:
>>2350068Is not me also, the previous post is my first response her after the intimacy post + I literally stumbled across the twitter video randomly. The whole world has sex but I'm the obsessed one! Okay!
No. 2350091
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>>2350081You're making problems for yourself. Just stop. To keep it on topic for autismo thread, what you're doing is called rumination and is a symptom some of us struggle with. The solution really is to just stop thinking about it and find literally anything better to do.
No. 2350179
This is a post for other autistic women, so normalfaggots stop responding to me atp. I'm also not trying to infight, I'm just really high on the spectrum and I don't realize I'm being inappropriate or sound mean, then people jump at my throat.
Anons who call me a virgin don't understand that someone doesn't need to have sex to know how sex looks like and what it is, you're not the only expert on this just because you have it, we can even google realistic videos of sex, and that twitter video was the most realistic I've ever seen, the more realistic a sex video is, the more traumatic it is to me, because I have a problem with the sex and the way intimacy looks like between a man and a woman naturally, it's shocking to my sensitive autistic mind. Even a normal sex act like the woman riding the man on that video looked like she's just serving him with her body. I can't accept my female biology neither intimacy. I know a lot of autistic women also have a problem with this, so I was asking them.
And I don't care if someone doesn't have some of these sex acts(however saying that most women don't suck dick was a manipulative dismissal of my points I made and desperate attempt to ignore the reality we actually are living, I'm just trying to comprehend the world around me as an autistic), because all of these acts I mentioned are a natural part of a human intimacy, I can't comprehend it neither I am okay with experiencing extreme submission and vulnerability like for expl. in oral sex on men, or being penetrated/fucked from behind(while men don't have to be on all fours for women, so that's not equal, so yo me it makes zero logical sense that this is how intimacy looks like), I know how it looks like and what sex is,but I have a fear of intimacy and I wanted to ask other autistic women if they feel similar. I felt agitation over how sex looks like for women since I was around 13(and I experience libido and sexual attraction, so this psychological problem is really hard for me) and became aware of all these submissive, horrifying(to me) sexual positions for women, I couldn't accept that I will never experience human sexual intimacy aka love, if I don't become okay with being fucked like this in those positions, I know it's stimulating but it doesn't make it equal neither I can erase my mental blockage against it. I'm not okay with experiencing this submissiveness neither being seen in those positions spread like this and fucked, dominated basically by someone bigger than me. So I can't comprehend male female intimacy, it looks sadomasochistic to my brain. I can't comprehend why women do these sexual acts like from that twitter video and why is this human experience of love. I can't fucking understand it… I know it's stimulating for all women, but why this has to be our position in human intimacy and why is THIS human intimacy
Having a problem with intimacy/fear of intimacy is a serious disorder and a lot of autistics suffer from it.
Once I get called a handicapped autist on this website for saying that I wouldn't perform oral sex on men, and now I get called I don't even know what, I don't wanna read these responses again. So yeah I'm a handicapped autist with a fear of intimacy, this is not a post for normies stacies, or gaslighters, this is a post for humans with a brain who want to discuss the reality with me like we're both humans with a brain communicating honestly and straightforwardly.
Autistic people are not even allowed to talk about their problems with sex, while the rest of the world is allowed to roam free. I read about hetero women sex lives all the time, I know well how they look like, and it's horrific to me and worse than some porn or the same. I have a problem with sex. Because of AUTISM and it's a thread for neurodivergent women, I need to finally talk about to, cause I'm an ADULT atp. I'm not a teen or like only 20yo barely out of teenage hood, I have experience and maturity, I'm not an unaware virgin, but I never engaged in a sex activity with other person irl, which doesn't make me unable to know what sex is. I have been suffering in silence from this and holding it all in for YEARS, I can't find non normie autistic women to talk about it with, I won't talk about it with the antisex people, because these fuckers are delusional, I won't explain way, it's too much, but they are retarded and don't understand that sex is natural and not an evil brainwashing. I want someone to understand that is natural and how that makes me disordered, and why.(blackpill outside of containment)
No. 2350180
>>2350091Just stop thinking about it! You're not allowed to think about it!
Jee thanks, great advice! See you later when you talk about you and your Nigel sex life and everyone is okay with it.
>>2350153Sorry normie meanies are mad at my Innocent post
(infight bait) No. 2350185
>>2350180>>2350179>>2350091I know where you're coming from. Penetration by a bigger entity is just part of womanhood though, and a lot of the acts you describe are variations of that.
The other Anon is right though; no need to think too much about it. One out of two people are women; five out of ten people are women; fifty out of hundred people are women; leave the aspects of womanhood you dislike for other women to deal with.
No. 2350346
Okay nonnies, what parts about autism (yours or others) do you like? I'm with
>>2349646 about the unrestrained joy aspect. Been told that my happiness is infectious irl and I can't think of a higher compliment. I also like that my special interests can be a springboard into learning or practicing skills. Like I'm really into history, so making recipes associated with whichever time period I'm micro-sperging over lets me cook more and get better at it.
No. 2350772
>>2350346I like that my special interests are permanent! They just never stop bringing me joy, and it seems like that's not a thing normies just "get for free". This also motivates me to be creative, because if I can take any boring thing and just twist it to somehow involve my special interest I suddenly see value in it and find it more fun.
I have "monotone" body language (for a lack of a better term) and an unintentionally soft voice so people think I'm calm and soothing all the time, they tell me I'm really reassuring to have around because I never panic or lose my cool. I totally do panic though, they just can't tell kek
Unlike redtexted sperg anon above I like my natural disinterest in sexual things, because it allows me to focus on more fun and interesting things. It just seems so incredibly boring to focus on getting laid all the time and to be ruled by your own sexuality, I just can't relate. It's also nice to kind of be "immune" to sexual things, though I wouldn't identify as asexual or anything, I just have a very low end libido!
I'm about 50 times more resistant to loneliness because of my flavor of autism. I know "a lot of autists are very lonely" and all that, but I'm just not one of them. I could happily not see a single friend for several months. I'm happy when I see them! It's just not ever really a "need". I feel like I could live in a hut on the mountainside with a pack of goats, only coming down to the village once a month where they all know me as the kooky but beloved goat-lady.
Directed at other autists: I love that other autists are so interesting to talk to! I don't know a single autist who is boring, they all basically only talk to you when they have something interesting to say and I love that. I also love that despite the black-and-white-thinking stereotype at least the autists I know are some of the most flexible thinkers who are willing to explore any topic. There's no "that's not how you're supposed to do that" and instead they just fire "ok but why? and but what if this, or what if that?" and bring new perspectives to everything without judgment.
No. 2351757
>>2351750>What does "seeming awkward" mean?What do you mean, it's quite straight forward to seem awkward? Nervous, fiddly, unsociable, shy, no confidence, bad posture, weird, maybe making strange movements or facial expressions out of nowhere.
I think "Do Neurotypical People Like or Dislike Autistic People?" is kind of an unfair and odd question to ask people to begin with. There are too many questions, like what level of autist re they talking about? Is it a non-verbal with a full-time carer autist, a high-function nerdy sperg or in the middle of the two? Are they male or female? I'm willing to bet people rank female autists higher and less awkward than males simply because we're less of a threat.
Also I'm as ableist as those neurotypicals are. If I see an obviously mentally disabled person I might also find them awkward, I don't want to talk to them and I don't find them likable because you can't even hold an intelligent conversation with them. I personally have a really big ick for other people's saliva like drooling which is a common thing for mentally disabled people. If they're male they even scare me, because I don't know how socially aware they are so if they just see a "hot female" and act on instinct and sexually assault me I feel like people will just be like "he didn't know what he was doing!" and if I complain I'm the asshole.
No. 2351759
>>2351750You might get some better answers to your question by linking the study you're referencing:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36605364/(Also annoyed, because a few years ago the full study was available online for free, but I can't seem to find a publication that isn't truncated now.)
No. 2351963
>>2351785It's really not. Autistic moids get coddled by parents and authority figures way more than autistic girls and women, so it's actually easier for them. The only "autistic" moids who you should feel bad for are the increasingly rare undiagnosed BAPs who stay offline and keep to themselves. They're literally the only good autistic males.
>female NEETs and losers arent as badly stigmatized as male NEETs and losersKEK nonna, since when? All NEETs are stigmatized, at least the male ones have boymoms who are more willing to care for them until the day they die. Female NEETs don't get that.
No. 2351978
>>2351785Autistic women face sexual abuse at far higher rates than the general female population. female losers aren't widely stigmatized in popular culture because they're rarer or slightly better at integration due to female socialization, but plenty of these girls get bullied.
>female NEETs and losers arent as badly stigmatized as male NEETs and losersThe general public doesn't know the goings on of losers, but male losers again attack and bully female losers.
I do believe there are more male autists and more often severe autism in males because of the fragility of the Y-chromosome.
No. 2352844
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Does anyone else go insane anytime you get one of those coarse chin hairs? I worked a slow night shift job and when I didnt have my tweezers all I could do was pick and scratch at it obsessively like a scab.
I also struggle with more common things like nail biting, pen chewing, etc. Im going into a "no-nail-polish-allowed" field, so Ill have to find other ways to deal with my nail biting soon.
No. 2353851
>>2353809>You clearly don't understand how it feels to be autistic and psychologically burdened by your position in human sex as a woman. Men also don't have to read million times a day online about other men sucking women dicks neither they have to be good at sucking dick or have a nightmarish role in human sex and relations.nta and I'm quoting your whole post in case you delete again. I'll be trying my best to help here. You have mental issues, but it's not the autism (we all have that here). You're dealing with lots of internalized misogyny and you're partaking in self-harming behavior, specifically
>have to read million times a day online about other men sucking women dicks I'm gonna assume you meant men and women in reverse (otherwise you gotta be a gay guy distressed about tim troons). This is NOT a normal thing to come across, not even once a day. The conclusion is that you are actively seeking out places you know cause you great distress - also known as "doomscrolling". You're staying in distress about it because you keep visiting these site on the daily! Get a browser extension or app and block yourself from EVERY single site and app you come across these things, try it just for a month. Every time you get the urge to doomscroll, you have to actively stop yourself and choose to go and do something you enjoy like a hobby. I promise your mental health will improve by a ton.
You're likely traumatized to have gotten to this point. You really should talk to a sexual trauma resource for women. You don't seem to understand that women have sex because they're in love with their partner, they get great orgasms and enjoy the whole process. You deciding it's degrading is like saying eating food is degrading because "it goes inside you". Or like saying having a job is degrading because your boss "has power over you". Ot that massage is degrading because "they're touching you all over". It's just your perspective being messed up. If the roles were reversed and women had to go inside men, you would instead be saying "it's so degrading that they just use your penis as if it was a tool to please themselves. Men's vaginas get to 'consume' women's penises, that's so much more powerful and it's degrading to have your penis at the mercy of a man's teeth when he could bite it off any second he wants… so gross to have female genitals that just hang out in the open all the time because they're nothing but a sex toy for men, unlike a streamlined male vagina that's only active when they need it".
No. 2355538
>>2355427>eventually youll have to get yourself a manOr get a job on your own.
Or date a woman.
Or inherit a lot of money.
Or your living relatives actually don't mind you living off of them because you're free house labour.
Or live with female roommates where you all pay a tiny bit each.
Or live on disability support.
Nobody actually has to have sex, and blowjob-chan is in a manic period or some shit so don't respond to her delusions.
No. 2359909
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I really am stuck like this and nobody will accept me
No. 2360477
>>2360104>you’re a fucking liar or have only said “Hi” to them or they’re not really autistic.Nice attempt at coping, but I was in a retard class with autistic males for years and I've been in autistic groups as an adult as well. They were autistic as fuck.
>you’re likely me of those freaks who are only saying it because you think you identify more with males than other women. Kek you're REALLY telling on yourself with that projection and the blatant baiting at infighting. That "me" sure was a freudian slip to make.
No. 2360565
>>2360104>or they’re not really autisticThis was you earlier in
>>2359901>I’m going to get a psych evaluation again and hopefully get psychological help>it seems strange calling myself “autistic”, it just doesn’t feel right I don’t know. I don’t feel or appear autisticSeems like YOU're the one who is not autistic so why are you suddenly gatekeeping and malding. I hope you get the psychological help you clearly need.
No. 2361709
>>2361578Not an attack on you anon, but this is such pointless research. Literally just remove the word "autistic" and it's still all true
>females tend to experience depression more frequently than malesThat's literally it, autistic females act like females and internalize, and autistic males act like males and act out. Wow what a big shocker! I feel like so much "research" like that (not just for autism) is essentially just clickbait to tell us what we already know. And then this one goes on like
>potentially due to differences in social masking behaviorsIt's literally a consistent pattern across normie women and men too (and other disorders), autists are literally just people acting like people and there is no reason to assume it has to do with masking at all. It's like they pretend we're not even human so they don't even bother looking at how normal humans act to see that it is in fact literally the same.
No. 2361994
>>2361709>It's like they pretend we're not even humanI notice this a lot with autism fakers. It's like they think autism makes you a NLOH (not like other humans). I noticed that a lot of fakers use autism as a crutch to excuse their poor life choices and anti-social behaviours and to avoid criticism for their bad actions.
I never understood why some people act like autists are aliens or a different species all together. Sure, we have autism so we're different, but it's not that big of a difference.
No. 2362085
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Autists are known to have unusual food habits, anyone here think they qualify? What's everyone's favorite food?
I keep hearing the stereotype that autists only eat unhealthy foods like chicken nuggets or burgers but my go to food is actually a mixed veggie salad. I even dislike the taste of a lot of processed food like chicken nuggets, they have a certain quality I can't name but they've make me gag.
No. 2362254
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>>2362085Yeah, I never got the whole "safe foods are nuggies, fried crispies, dessert drinks and sugar bombs" stereotype. I know a lot of the more noticeably annoying autists were coddled by parents, but it still seems wildly impractical, especially if from fast food joints. I guess we're as fallible to processed food addiction as anyone else.
My favorite foods are the ones that I cook when it's just for me: perfect texture, nice taste, simple to cook. Current favorite is crostini with soft cheese and sliced vegetables. I also like French bread pizza, roasted stuffed mushrooms, or wild rice soup. For lunch every day, I scramble eggs with whatever vegetables and hot sauce I have. I would eat that salad because it looks so deliciously crunchy.
I guess my autism is more relegated to social misunderstandings like bringing the last slice of turkey in its original deli bag instead of putting it in a ziploc to take it to work (which apparently normies can't conceive of).
No. 2362366
>>2362085I think I have unusual food habits, not not in a typical way. I'm a pretty adventurous eater, I'll try anything once. I like a wide assortment of foods too, and trying new recipes out is a lot of fun. I usually cook everyday, I only go out to eat once a week.
One of my unusual habits is that I never get "tired" of food. I eat the same thing over and over again. I've been eating the same breakfast now for almost 4 years, with tiny variations here and there. I do one type on even days, and another type on odd days. Besides breakfasts, I usually have a routine for my meals, so every Monday I'll have the same lunch as last Monday, then every Tuesday I'll have the same lunch as last Tuesday, and so on. I'll usually switch my daily meals every month or two. I always reserve Saturdays for trying new recipes, so my meals on Saturdays are always different. I do it because I like to keep track of my daily nutrients and caloric intake because I'm kind of a fitness geek. I also like to do it because I can keep track of my grocery bill more easily.
Even though I'm an adventurous eater, I know what I dislike and I avoid what I dislike. I really hate certain foods. I just don't like them, and I don't eat them at all. Like no matter how many times I've tried onion, I've always hated onion. So, I don't eat onions now. Sometimes people can be weirded out and call me a picky eater, but I don't let it get to me because I know that I've probably tried more types of food than they have anyway. Other foods I don't care for, so I never make it myself, but I won't totally avoid them. Like when I go out and I order a salad, I know that it'll be made with lettuce, even though when I'm at home I always use spinach to make my salads because I don't really care for lettuce.
Another unusual habit for food is that I rarely ever eat other peoples' cooking. It's something to do with the control aspect. I don't like knowing that other people could be tampering with food, or preparing it in a dirty environment. But, that might have to do with personal history rather than autism.
>What are your favourite foods?I really like stir fries. I usually make mine with broccoli, bean sprouts, baby spinach, chicken breast, and shrimp. Anything spicy piques my interest.
>>2362254>I never got the whole "safe foods are nuggies, fried crispies, dessert drinks and sugar bombs" stereotype.I think it's more applicable to children, and by extension: the adult autists that refuse to grow up. When I was a kid, I used to really prefer bland inoffensive foods because my family was very very bad at cooking. Even to this day I hate my family's cooking. Once I was a teenager and I started cooking for myself, my palette really expanded because I realized that certain foods only taste bad when they're prepared by bad cooks. I used to hate eggs when I was a kid because my parents would never cook them to completion, so until I started cooking myself I didn't realize that eggs weren't supposed to be
that way and that they actually taste good when prepared the proper way. I think a lot of problems that autistic kids have are because they're still kids so they don't have the level of control that they want over their lives. At least for me, it felt like once I was an adult I suddenly became a lot less anxious and stressed because I could finally be who I was and do what I wanted to do, and that gave me this sense of security that let me branch out and develop my tastes.
No. 2362653
>>2362366Oh wow we are so similar! Apart from the fact that I'm not a great cook. I love trying new foods, but still get called a picky eater because I don't want to eat things I KNOW I dislike. People insist I "try it" but I did and I didn't like it! "But it's so good, try it again" is all they come back with every time.
One weird thing I do is that I often avoid ordering what are my favorite foods on paper when eating out, because I know they won't be prepared in the exact way I like it. I love those dishes too much, so eating a "bad" version of it is really disappointing.
>When I was a kid, I used to really prefer bland inoffensive foods because my family was very very bad at cooking. Even to this day I hate my family's cooking.This is a good point! And a lot of parents are just selfish in the sense that they insist their taste is the correct taste. So when the kid doesn't like something they get the treatment I sill get today "just try it again, something is wrong with YOU because this food is delicious". So they end up with food shame and anxiety and stick to safe foods.
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I'm going to have to take an interview at the place I'm requesting my work placement and I'm fucking terrified. It's my first job so I don't have any other references to put on my resume AND I'm someone's who's clocked as mentally deficient at first glance…. nonnas. I don't even have my license.
No. 2362799
>>2362085Fellow vegetable lover here. Im Indian (so I guess I fit the vegan stereotype) but I dislike all the meat-based food here. However I do like American fast food.
On an unrelated note why do Americans call their food "fast food"?
No. 2363304
>>2362799Not all American food is fast food (though you wouldn't know by looking at us kek). The "fast" refers to the time spent waiting for it to be made. If you walk into McDonald's and order pretty much anything, it'll be hot, ready, and in your hands in less than 10 minutes, as opposed to a restaurant with appetizers and table service that takes 45 minutes to overcook a burger.
>>2362085My favorite/everyday food is Velveeta Shells & Cheese, but
fuck, nona, I
wish it was a mixed veggie salad… How do you get past the disgusting crunchy sensation of plant fibers between your teeth?
No. 2363527
>>2363278>Genuine question, how do autists not get sick or tired of eating the same thing over and over again?I feel like normies ask this while many also eat the same thing every day without even thinking about it. For example, do you get tired of drinking coffee every day? Do you get tired of eating bread every day? Drinking the same coke or energy drink? Do asians tire of eating rice with every meal?
Most normie people I know have a set breakfast routine, they eat the same bagel, eggs or cereals every morning, and they have their morning coffee. Taste buds don't get "tired" or get muted from meal to meal, I mean do you suddenly not taste anything at dinner because you had lunch and overworked your taste buds? No, because that's not a thing! Your body only grows tired of eating something while you're actively eating it, because you've filled up your body with those nutrients and carbs and no longer feel hunger for it.
I feel like people who ask this think of the stereotypical "chicken nuggets only" people who have some ARFID eating disorders, and not people like
>>2362085 >>2362254 who eat a healthy varied meal as their go-to. The autist meal in itself can be varied and provide a mix of texture, tastes and nutrition that you don't get bored of.
No. 2365281
>>2364065Anons have brought it up in the past several times, it seems to be a pretty common need/want at this point. I think the people who are against splitting the diagnosis are fakers who would no longer qualify for "autism" (which they've made their whole personality and brand). Sometimes I consider being the sperg who actually makes up new diagnosis names and splits off different kinds of autism into sections and then just unapologetically uses it on social media until it catches on kek
But the only reason it would catch on is because initially the fakers would cause an uproar about me being an evil ableist gatekeeper, until real autists find it and go "actually this is just what we need I'll use these labels too" and I don't have the energy to endure that initial hate period.
Because the thing is
>it’s hard for me to reconcile that I have the same condition as people who are completely nonverbal and can’t be left alone speaking for both of us, but we DON'T have this condition. We literally just… do not have this, these are not our struggles or experiences. It's fucked up that both we - and the non-verbal can't be left aloners - don't get to have a word that describes our unique struggles. THAT is ableism.
No. 2366766
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I have always been extremely grateful for getting hyperfixations on weird but harmless stuff like birds and marginal historical figures or useful stuff like my career, and not for childish things like sonic and anime, or fucking trains. My god, I don't want train autism, I'm so glad I don't have train autism, as a child I always even hated that stupid Thomas the tank engine, and I was so glad I didn't have the stereotypical autistic train fixation that would make my autism obvious to everyone. Until just recently when I was walking next to the train tracks, there was this old museum train, like a steam locomotive, going there along where they usually just have modern passenger trains, and I just had to stop and stare that beautiful thing in awe. WHY? FUCK I don't want this to happen, this fucking sucks.
No. 2366935
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>>2366492Aspergers hasn't been used as a diagnosis in many countries since the DSM was updated in 2013.
No. 2366980
>>2366492We HAD the asperger diagnosis… and every day I miss it. I still tell people I have aspergers and not autism, it's literally what is written on my diagnosis papers anyway.
My guilty pleasure is showing no mercy to normies who go "um actually aspergers bad because it's named after a nazi". First I make it clear I give zero shits about who it's named after, because thinking that reflects badly on me as a person is unfair and retarded. Then I ask if they tell people with other disabilities the same thing, if they tell someone with Down's they can't call it that anymore because Down was a racist piece of shit. Then I ask them if they know who coined the term "autism" and how they're sure that guy wasn't also a nazi, racist, sexist or generally also a piece of shit. I bet they never even thought about it before - because it doesn't fucking matter and is just a word. Then I ask them to think about the fact that pretty much every single man (and woman) from history ever, including in the last 100 years, was most likely very racist and sexist as that was the norm at the time. If you want to go even further every word we speak was made up by racists, sexist, homophobes - because again, that was the norm back when words were created. So if we're gonna rename things based on "person who made it up was bad by modern standards" we have to rename ALL the things ever named. Lastly I call them ableist for trying to police a disabled person how they speak about their own disability. Boom. Leave them feeling like shit. It's great fun.
No. 2367224
>>2366980Wait. So the reason aspergers is lumped with non-verbal, low-functioning autism is because it shares a name with some guy nobody knows about but who had wack beliefs?
Dang
No. 2367695
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>>2367224Basically yeah. Most psychs now seem to go by the model in picrel that grades based on support needs, with what they used to call Asperger’s as level 1
No. 2368161
>>2367583So funny because actual autists mostly don't mind and professionals recognize Asperger's contribution to research…
>social media "autists" (I still think most were fakers even back then) were high on social justice I believe it started out as a genuine but misguided take in the then new "neurodivergent" movement before turning into a neat excuse to focus on visible manifestations of autism. This proved useful for fakers because they don't have to bother with subtle signs and boring aspergers' problems. They can instead "stim" and complain of sensory overload, both pretty manifest and visual things, like in the old Victorian swooning days
No. 2368306
>>2368161This switch happened around 2010, even the popular series Glee had a "self-diagnosed with aspergers girl who really just wanted to be rude and quirky" character debut in 2011. Iirc her name was Sugar and she was basically a parody of those people, so fakers must have been around for a while already then to even become a stereotype big enough to put in a popular series.
I think there was a small minority of people with autism who essentially got bullied/groomed into it, the same way they now all think they're trans, but this faker-led movement has had a great impact and control for 1-2 decades now. Compare it to the famous asperger-'tist Greta Thunberg, she was only 8 when she was shown a movie about climate change in school, which led her to get depressed for years while she obsessed over climate issues. If she had never been shown a documentary above her 8 year old brain's level, scaring her for life with things she didn't fully grasp, she never would have become a climate activist at age 15. I think it's the same way with the genuine autists, they were naive kids in their early teens (usually girls) and they went online seeking connections and just got told "if you call it aspergers you're literally an evil NAZI" they get horrified at the aspect of being seen as a nazi and quickly adapt and reject the label. They didn't have the social capacity to think "that's clearly bullshit you've made up to control people" which neurotypical normie kids may have had, both due to autism and their young age.
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>>2366766Join us
>>2366800It's not about trains as a place, but trains as a "thing", they're just very aesthetically pleasing. And if the train isn't crowded the sound of the wheels on the rail is very nice white noise.
I think the real weirdos are the moid airplane autists. No. 2369630
>>2366798kek if I so must. I already found a historical person who was killed in a train-related incident and I might read everything available on that.
>>2366800>>2369556I agree that for train autists it's not about the travel experience usually (although can you separate it completely? maybe. but it would be strange to imagine an elevator autist who didn't want to ride elevators.) For me personally though, train travel is preferrable to cars or buses, because I get horrible motion sickness in them.
>>2369611No, the thing is I am legitimately autistic with a childhood diagnosis predating the trend, and I feel completely alienated from the current portrayal of autism on social media. I want to keep this to myself and don't want to appear like the most stereotypical autist to other people.
No. 2369783
>>2369711I don't think turning self-diagnosers into actual ableist people is helpful though. I personally don't see anything wrong with Elon's body language, it's not even that bad and very mild compared to my irl autist friends. Though I don't care if they make fun of Elon specifically, it's just the absolute hypocrisy of it. The whole "rules for thee but not for me" shit.
>>2369712>Does anyone else have issues with never missing people or places? Like nothing bad happened and you even look back on them fondly if prompted but otherwise it’s like out of sight out of mind in the most literal sense.Omg yes, literally exactly how you put it is how I feel. I'm happy meeting loved friends and family like 1-2 times a year at most. I don't "miss" them even though I enjoy hanging out with them and wouldn't mind hanging out again. To me not seeing someone for months feels like a normal period to be apart, it's my equivalent of a week. I think the fact that all my hobbies are solo activities contribute to it, I'm never bored when I'm alone and I don't depend on other people to have a fun time.
No. 2370495
>>2369969Ikr, sometimes I wonder if those are symptoms of autism… or symptoms of people who fake/think they have autism but don't. Would be fun to make a list like that kek
"If you
>think "aspergers" is a bad label>are very creative and have a lot of empathy>love to try new fun stims >have a lot of social anxiety but you're fine with people you're comfortable around>have minor sensory issues like not liking scratchy fabrics on your skin>are very invested in the rights of minority groups and social justice and avoid controversial opinions>sometimes pretend not to get sarcasm because you've been told that's what autists are like and you feel a little bit guilty that it's not actually an issue for you and you actually love using sarcasm>wear your socks inside outthen you likely do not have autism at all but wrongly think you do!"
No. 2370796
>>2370495I'm all of that except I don't think Aspergers is a bad label.
Honestly I'm becoming more open to accepting that I'm just a spicy normie after volunteering to work with Level 2 and Level 3 autistic people
No. 2370872
>>2370796>I'm all of that except I don't think Aspergers is a bad label.ayrt I took inspiration from actual autism fakers I've followed online for the points, but it's things THEY share as if it's genuine autism traits or quirks. The person I had in mind is a person who has bought into all those things and genuinely thinks they're autistic when they're not, because they're empathetic, creative and appreciate "being different". They have moments of clarity, such as realizing they're consciously pretending to not get sarcasm, but they try to justify it to themselves internally by going "oh it's a spectrum so I don't need to have every trait…" but they're still afraid to admit that in the open. In reality they have none of the key traits, and only have the minor quirks (wear your socks inside out, try new stims, minor sensory issue that 99% of normies also have).
>Honestly I'm becoming more open to accepting that I'm just a spicy normie after volunteering to work with Level 2 and Level 3 autistic peopleAs other anons have discussed though, they miss the "aspergers" label because they feel so detached to the more severe autism levels, we can't relate to them either. But I'm all for examining and criticizing your own diagnosis! A personal peeve of mine is just how often people are willing to buy "people get misdiagnosed with BPD/DSD/other disorders all the time!" and in the next breath they go "it was really just autism this whole time!". They're so willing to accept misdiagnosis is easy and common, but for some reason they refuse to accept that could also mean autism is also easy to misdiagnose. I think one of the best things that could happen for everyone involved is if more people were willing to entertain the thought and accept they're probably not autistic and that's ok, because it is just a label and changes nothing about them as a person.
No. 2372901
>>2372823I had this issue for YEARS as a teen. Here's what helped me:
>I learned to take naps during the day, in broad day lightIt made me a lot less sensitive about "optimal" sleeping conditions. Before I was one of those who had to have a dark and quiet room to give me the best possible chance to fall asleep. No I can sleep in any light condition. And if I didn't get enough sleep at night I get some back during the day from the nap itself.
>I learned to do the opposite of what I was told and use screens before bedMy theory is that there are 2 types of people. Some relax by turning off the brain and doing nothing, it calms their brains. And then people (like me) find relaxation in
activating the brain. For me doing nothing is stressful and boring, so it doesn't relax me at all. Doing something repetitive and mildly engaging is what relaxes me! Think of it how like a child only falls asleep while the parent is reading them a bedtime story.
So my solution has been to play games on my phone or nintendo handheld platforms. If the game is TOO fun or complicated it doesn't work, it has to be familiar and have some level of easy repetition. Basically a chill RPG or farming game, turned based, or puzzle games without a timer that you can mindlessly play at a slow pace.
Putting on a repeat of your favorite movie or audio book could possibly also have the same effect. I just for some reason ended up responding the best to games.
Something like watching tiktok does NOT work as it forces me to swipe every few seconds and every new video is just too new and "interesting" for my brain so I can't relax. I kind of theorize seeing real human faces is also less relaxing as it activates social parts of your brain.
>Accepting that if I'm not tired I won't be able to sleepWasting hours in bed trying and failing to sleep when I've got a lot of energy is just torture. I might as well just turn on my laptop and do something fun then! Sometimes grabbing a snack and watching some videos makes me ready to try to sleep again.
No. 2373174
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Is it possible to pass picrel but still have trouble with more complex real life situations (where theory of mind is needed)? I can understand how it's possible a lot of the time but it doesn't occur to me. I don't see the contradiction but believe it makes sense. Am I making sense?
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>>2373174Like
>>2373197 said this is for kids (or I guess severely impaired people too maybe). So yeah if you're an average high functioning autist you should be able to pass picrel easily while failing at real life adult scenarios.
Having said that, I "failed" the test of this picture as an adult kek. If you're not familiar with it, the test is just to describe the picture - I naturally described it the autist way.
No. 2373422
So I failed this
>>2373174 but from
>>2373298 says I described the picture here
>>2373235 in a pretty normal way hm. Feel like a retard kek
No. 2373423
>>2373244>>2373269Me as an autist described it something like:
>"A woman is washing dishes. There's an overflowing sink. A kid is standing on a stool that is falling over, he is reaching for a cookie jar, and a girl is there too."I described what I saw quite literally. The normie way is to say something like
>"The two kids, a brother and sister, are stealing cookies behind their mothers back while she's distracted by an overflowing sink. Maybe they're the ones who started it to distract her so they could steal them."They describe what happens "socially". That they're siblings and a mother, that they're not just taking, but
stealing the cookies behind her distracted back etc.
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>>2373235The mother has had it up to here
No. 2374346
>>2370495Does anyone relate to using sarcasm a lot but failing because people
never get it? I assumed it was a 'women can't joke' thing because it happens a lot to women in male-only groups, but it happens even with people who know me well. The only exceptions are my siblings and one sperg friend who somehow always gets it when he doesn't understand sarcasm otherwise (a friend we have in common told him this, he hadn't noticed). Weird
>>2373468Yeah. I don't know if it's a filter or more like, an ability to readily use categories to make sense of the world. It's like how typical children call most animals 'dog' because to them, every small animal is a dog, but autistic children are more likely to only use 'dog' for dogs and can't spontaneously generalize. I think spergs grasp this eventually but it takes conscious efforts to bridge the gap
No. 2374603
>>2374346I genuinely don't think I sound monotone, even when I've recorded myself speaking just to hear it out loud I think I get the timing and pitch right. Yet people very commonly still don't get when I'm joking or being sarcastic and think I'm being serious. It feels like it's the opposite and normies are the ones who don't understand sarcasm!
I've always wondered why this happened but the best theory I can come up with is that they've simply casted me in the role of a serious person. I'm generally honest and I'm shy around new people so in their eyes they've decided that's how I am permanently. So when I then suddenly crack a joke they don't spot it because it's not on their radar that I'm someone who makes jokes.
No. 2374649
>>2374608that's really interesting to me. i feel like almost the opposite. i was a bookworm too but i absoutely hated summarizing books and book reports because i felt like i'm just dully repeating the plot and i don't really understand what's expected of me. i feel like i could easily have a passionate and engaging conversation with someone right now about the plots of my favorite books but when it comes to writing down and summarizing something, even stuff i've loved enough to read more than once, feels like such a drag. i just don't really know what to do/what would be expected and my head goes blank. i would get really bored. i like talking about it but writing it feels difficult. but i'm the opposite when it comes to writing out my own experiences, i could write in extreme detail over every little thing. i used to carry a journal with me and just write whatever mundane shit that was happening at any given time. almost like a little autistic log of "I talked to this person today." or what i was feeling at the time.
>>2374434>I remember feeling a retard at school because for example I wasn't able to write a summary of a story, my brain just wasn't able to choose which are the most important parts of the story. I also struggled with describing characters and their emotions and motivations, like it was all blank to meit felt the same for me. i felt retarded because it really did feel all blank. like i didn't know what was expected, it felt completely pointless. so as long as someone read the book, isn't all of their reports going to sound so dull and boring that the teacher isn't even reading these, she's just checking if we read it? what exactly is expected? what's the damn point. book reports were so annoying
No. 2375030
>>2374649>so as long as someone read the book, isn't all of their reports going to sound so dull and boring that the teacher isn't even reading these, she's just checking if we read it?The point isn't just to make sure you read the book, but to see if you are able to summarize the important points and think critically about the contents. It's a skill you have to learn and be forced to think about. Of course shitty teaches may not communicate that clearly, and imo some teachers are so unfit for their job that they don't know that's the point either.
I've heard modern day teachers are struggling because students will just copy texts and feed it to AI and ask it to summarize for them. They students think "this way I only get the important parts anyway" completely missing that knowing HOW to actually figure out what is important is the skill they need to learn and practice (and that's ignoring that AI might actually be very wrong about what is and isn't actually important). It's really like bringing a pre-made meal to chef school and not getting why your pre-made microwave lasagna failed the lasagna making test, when the end result was still a lasagna. "You don't even know how to make a lasagna!" is just met with "What do you mean, I put it in the microwave, so I have clearly made this lasagna!"
No. 2375676
>>2375524>naturally expectedLike you said, depending on language and culture, in some never. Sarcasm is not "natural".
But kids learn to lie at age 2-4, before that they're not capable of understanding others don't know what they're thinking. So it's absolutely normal for a 4 year old to not have the mental capacity to even be able to lie yet, how the hell would they get sarcasm?
No. 2376287
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>>2375979>>2375987Generally autist males have lower levels of testosterone and tend to be more gender non-conforming which for males means "they seem kinda feminine and gay". I've never seen the tard rage in a high functioning autist, though I've noticed if the person has ADHD too (or just ADHD) they may have rage issues, so in my mind it's not liked to autism but to ADHD.
But then again some people just have rage issues as their normie default settings, so in theory anyone should be able to inherit those genes regardless.
What does the rage feel like and what do you do when it happens? I'm the opposite and can't get angry so I really have no idea what it's like.
>>2376144I've got the expressionless face, but I've definitely seen it in other autists. It's the stare usually, they'll make an "angry" face staring even when neutral that reads as a mix of "mentally challenged" and "aggressive" I think. I think the actress who played Temple in the movie nailed the autistic expressions.
No. 2376353
>>2376287Right now I often just get madder than the average person when it comes to issues I'm passionate in. I've kind of embraced it though I do try and tone it down and remind myself I'm going to look incredibly crazy to people since I also hate attention.
Interesting point about the testosterone though. My father is very gender conforming though, physically
abusive head of the house type and was the "work hard be strong" type before he met my mom as well so I'm not sure.
No. 2377149
>>2377132I’m not autistic but have ADHD. I do most of the things you describe including
>toe walking even as an adult >loud or repetitive noises but noise in general is a big no for me. Strong aversion to specific textures>I won’t eat anything unless it‘s whatever I am currently cravingI’ve been evaluated for autism. I don’t have autism, just autistic traits. You may not be autistic but from what you described you’re definitely not neurotypical.
No. 2377184
>>2377149Good thing I'm getting checked soon, doctors and close relatives aren't even questioning the possibility I might be ND at this point, but they don't know exactly
what could've caused all of this neither. Being so easily overstimulated and food repulsed as an adult is very stressful, I mostly just want my body and mind to stop being so
trigger happy
No. 2378928
>>2376353>My father is very gender conforming though, physically abusive head of the house type It's possible he's just an
abusive typical rage moid who found an easy to control woman then, and autistic women tend to be
victims of that because they can't tell when a man is bad as easily. Not saying your mom has full blown autism either, but sometimes I see people blame the autism on the dad when in reality their mom has the obvious people-pleaser insecure/oblivious autist genes of the two and the dad is literally just an average raging man.
No. 2379421
>>2379419That's a bit of an overreaction. Plus that person was a healthy baby, like I said she only became disabled later in life.
I believe there are people who love being eternal care takers, a child that "never grows up" is ideal for them. Often the same kind of people who love working at a farm and caring for animals all day long. It's just not the average person and I do not personally want a disabled child but I'd much rather have one and be free than go to prison for life.
No. 2379439
>>2379426>but the other side of the spectrum comes the socially retarded "muh society" incel roidpig types too and he's under that umbrellaThat only ever seem to happen to THE most high functioning end, so I can't help but speculate that it's something else that just looks similar to autism at a glance because it's "anti-social" in nature. Maybe that's me trying to cope or something, but it just seems odd and like there is a piece we're missing… But I guess it could just also be untreated trauma or something. Sorry, I don't mean to make judgement on your dad specifically!
>Plenty of autistic moids become hyperfeminine femboy troons That's not true though. The femboys are just gay normie guys in 99% of cases. While the autist men who troon out often have a naturally "flamboyant" or "not macho", quality to them that makes them feel alienated from other men they never actually go the feminine route. They're the ones who grow stringy greasy hair and put on a purple hoodie and genuinely think that means they now pass as a woman. They don't actually have any interest in feminine things like the gay guys.
No. 2379459
>>2379419You sound like a psychopath, right up there with incels and nazis
I agree we should be able to abort the child if we want to and it's important to be realistic about what quality of life a child will have but you sound downright gleeful about it
No. 2379461
>>2378928>their mom has the obvious people-pleaser insecure/oblivious autist genes>genes>autism>goes on to describe female socializationI actually get what you mean because autists can and do often come across as nervous and fearful, but wording it like this is why we have a malingerer problem
>>2376287>Generally autist males have lower levels of testosterone and tend to be more gender non-conformingAnd autistic women are high T? Looks like sperg men fail at key areas of masculinity so they come across as soft, but a lot of it is still absorbed. If autistic girls mask more then autistic boys are also sensitive to male socialization, albeit in less visible ways.
>>2379426>Plenty of autistic moids become hyperfeminine femboy troons but the other side of the spectrum comes the socially retarded "muh society" incel roidpig types Two sides of the same coin. The femboy autistic troon is almost always an incel roidpig. "Diagnosed sperg ex-4tran nazi in a skirt who goes around raping women" is an alt guy archetype
No. 2379477
>>2376287ayrt, to me the tard rage feels like a type of strong burning anger that gets worse and worse until the issue is solved or I am able to exit the situation (which I've learned to do). I don't think the feeling is anything special, it's the outward reaction that counts. I mainly screech and break things or hurt myself. I've been able to get it under control somewhat, but I still come across as a comically seething Donald Duck type, even if I don't do anything destructive. As a kid I used to have bruises all over my body from hitting myself.
As an adult, I've never actually broken anything valuable, but once I smashed my laptop so hard it tilted, and afterwards I was so ashamed of myself.My dad is indeed kind of a meek person, not necessarily feminine, but not very masculine either. He seems to be immune to a lot of socialization and thinks of a lot of socially enforced norms such as religion to be "stupid." He's definitely a sperg though. When I was diagnosed the doctor said he fits the criteria, but she said it's no use diagnosing an adult man who will not benefit from therapy anymore, kek.
No. 2379506
>>2379417I understand why disabled people make this argument. Very few people go into making children with a clear view, almost all of them go into it thinking that their child is going to be perfect, or at least not face any significant challenges due to disability. They don't plan for it and are blindsided when they do have disabled children. Most of them fail to adequately support their children and many admit quietly that they never would have had their child if they had known ahead of time.
But I also think advocates go about it the wrong way when they try to restrict or shame induced abortion. If anything, I want mothers to abort a disabled baby if she doesn't think she and/or her partner will be able to adequately care for them. But I also think that should signal to those parents that maybe they shouldn't have any children because, like that woman said, most disabilities are acquired after birth. If you know that you can't handle a disabled child, you really shouldn't take the risk at all. It's okay not to have kids.
No. 2379633
>>2379439>That's not true though. The femboys are just gay normie guys in 99% of cases>No interest in feminine thingsYou make
valid points on everything else but
nonny you have NOT seen enough of the femboy population. Plenty of them are straight up retards with special interests in female things. As stereotypical as this is, go on discord and you'll see lol. So, oh yes they do kek
No. 2379953
>>2379633>you have NOT seen enough of the femboy population.True, and I indeed to keep it that way kek
But to clarify I took the post as meaning the actual trooned out feminine larpers, the HSTS if you will, as femboys are technically not even troons so I assumed that's closer to what anon meant.
No. 2379973
>>2379461>but wording it like this is why we have a malingerer problemI fully believe EVERY autism trait can be held by normies, and if you have high enough combo of them at the same time you qualify for autism. Sure it's anecdotal but every autist I know have at least one normie parent who has VERY clear signs of autism while still being fully functional. They wouldn't ever get a diagnosis and they don't need it, but the same trait is there.
But yes I meant to say that autistic women ALSO have female socialization PLUS their autism and that makes them extra vulnerable to be taken advantage of by roid males.
No. 2379993
>>2379506>But I also think that should signal to those parents that maybe they shouldn't have any children because, like that woman said, most disabilities are acquired after birth. If you know that you can't handle a disabled child, you really shouldn't take the risk at all. It's okay not to have kids.To play devils advocate here, it just kind of isn't the same. When you sign up to have a child you sign up to raise it into an adult person, not for it to have the mentality of a 2 year old for the rest of its and your life.
And the "becomes disabled later" argument imo is misleading because someone losing a leg, going blind as an elderly adult, or being born with something like dwarfism is just not at all the same as a baby who will never be able to be independent, be able to speak or wipe their own ass and needs 24/7 caretaking. They're completely different conversations imo. I believe most people who don't want a kid with downs or autism would still be 100% fine with an otherwise healthy kid who was born with just one foot.
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I really want to make friends (or just socialize in general) in discord but it is near impossible without finding "neurospicy" people. everytime I join some discord for some fandom, the most active users are the most insufferable "autists" (read: they/them women who hate themselves and pretend to be autistic by performing the most stereotypical autistic behavior they can) who take absolutely people say in the most literal way and create incessant drama because someone didn't use tone indicator, someone said something bad or did wrongthinking. also everytime someone says something remotely quirky or actually disordered they act like pic related and actually forget they're supposed to be mentally ill. I am friends with actual diagnosed ADHD/autistic people and they don't act so hurt at everything at all times. people who fake this shit have to be the most insufferable human beings I've encountered.
No. 2380343
>>2374434>my brain just wasn't able to choose which are the most important partsThis was such a big problem for me in school, not because I had trouble with book reports specifically but because our teachers would throw massive amounts of homework at us and we were just expected to figure out which exercises were the most important and focus on those while skipping/half-assing the rest. I wasn’t able to figure out which exercises were the important ones (or even that these stupid mental gymnastics were expected of us in the first place) so I would stay up past midnight whole-assing all of my homework every day. When my homeroom teacher realised this was the reason I was so exhausted all the time he was baffled that I was actually doing all the homework that was assigned to me. Why assign us homework you don’t expect us to do?
If there’s anything I hate about non-autistic people it’s how often they’ll give you instructions that they don’t expect you to follow and then act like you’re the weird one for doing what they told you to do. “You’re supposed to read between the lines” or “you should’ve realised the instructions were incorrect and I meant something else”. How about you actually say what you mean you stupid fuck
>>2374603It’s exactly the same with me. I can make the most obvious joke in the world and people will think I’m 100% serious because they don’t expect me to make jokes at all. A lot of the time they never catch on, either. Only people with the same dry sense of humour as me (who usually tend to have autistic traits too) seem to realise I’m joking. The rest probably just thinks I’m crazy.
No. 2380711
>>2380212I usually never tell people online I'm an autist unless we get really close and I then tell them to keep it a secret, so I'm in a few groups where people think I'm a normie. It's so weird watching "disordered" people larp and I'm just over here chilling being normal kek
That is, until I get
triggered and something autistic actually goes down. We had a user acting weird and they rubbed me the wrong way so I turned into the biggest snooper, I dug up over 20 old social media accounts of theirs, none of them even had that person's name in them and I was still able to verify it was the same person using the tiniest crumbs they had left. I spent hours and hours of intense research to prove everything bad they had ever said or done online. I got so unhinged in my searching kek. Then I anonymously exposed it to the owner of the group, who got that person banned. Those fools could never measure up to my level of autism. Somewhere I still have a massive document with everything I found on that person.
No. 2381359
>>2380960But you survived it nona! And bursting into tears is a way better reaction than a full blown panic attack, so you gotta cut yourself some slack. We all have off days! I'm really impressed you have such a good attitude and want to get over your sensory issues, I really think that's admirable and a lot of people would do better in the world if they were willing to work on their issues like that. Don't let this one thing stop you!
>>2381286>What are your thoughts on the credibility of ARFID and autism correlation?Eating habits was discussed a bit earlier see
>>2362085 for example. Overall I think autists are often particular about what we eat, but it's generally nowhere near as bad as "only eating chicken nuggets" and isn't actually disordered behavior. It would be like saying a vegan has arfid for refusing to eat most foods and being super strict about what they eat, in reality they're really lax about what they eat as long as it's not got any animal product in it.
I once saw parents say their autistic son was a picky eater because he refused to eat a meal without the typical gravy and they didn't get why when he usually liked the meal, it just didn't have the gravy this time. They didn't get it until they were asked if they'd like a cheese sandwich - but without the cheese. "So it's just bread? It's not really a cheese sandwich then" Exactly! Imo if you have a kid who doesn't shove food down their throat you should be grateful because the world is dealing with an obesity epidemic.
No. 2381605
>>2381286The adults I know with genuine ASD who are picky eaters usually have only one or two food types they can’t deal with and tend to be a bit embarrassed about it, so they try not to bother anyone with it or bring it up unnecessarily. I became a pescatarian in large part because I hate the texture of 90% of meat products and it’s easier to ask for a meat-free option than to interrogate people about the different textures of everything on the menu. Unfortunately meat replacement products are getting better and better at replicating actual meat and people think they’re doing me a favour by feeding me those kek
Everyone I’ve known who’s very loud about having “ARFID”, on the other hand, uses it as an excuse to only eat junk food and many of them seem to actually enjoy being difficult and getting attention for it. It’s so embarrassing to be at a restaurant with one of these people and watching them summon a waiter to complain about there being an almond on one of the bonbons even though she told them she doesn’t like almonds!!1 You’re not allergic you whiner, just pick it off. There’s no need to announce that sort of thing, but if they solve their own problems quietly they won’t get any attention for it and then what’s the point?
No. 2382118
>>2381286>after all we're picky eaters who prefer routine in theoryNot trying to be mean, but it's not "we." It's you and people like you. A lot of autistic people aren't picky eaters, and a lot of normies are picky eaters.
>>2381605>People use ARFID as an excuse to only eat junk food.Yup. I've noticed this becoming a problem in the mid-2010s, but does anyone else feel like most people now have issues taking responsibility for themselves? It's like, okay, if you wanna eat junk food all day that's fine, it's your life, but you have to actually
admit that you like junk food and that you don't care about your health. A lot of people can't be arsed to admit that they're doing something bad, so instead they use all these random disorders as an excuse for them. It's like how people that fry their brains by using their phone for 16 hours a day all think that they have ADHD now, even though they didn't display any symptoms as children. It's like nobody can ever take responsibility anymore.
No. 2386475
>>2386453>One of the main reasons I wanted to be a scientist is because I thought it would be an autism-friendly fieldReally? I would have thought most of it would be moidy as fuck. Don't give up though nona!
Anecdote about hearing people at work talk about autism though: I once at my previous job overheard another worker complain to her friend that she didn't want to date a (specific) guy because he is an autist. This person didn't know I was autistic so naturally wouldn't have cared that I overheard her. I genuinely found that super funny, I went to the bathroom just to silently laugh and to be able to text my (also autistic) friend about how hilarious I found this woman accidentally saying that in front of an autist was. She wasn't exactly a catch to date either so it was pretty funny she was judging others on how dateable they are too.
My boss overheard it too and I guess saw me going into the bathroom because when I came out she looked so worried and like she was about to talk to me, I'm pretty sure she thought I went into the bathroom to cry kek
But I just happily smiled like nothing was wrong so she never said anything.
No. 2386876
>>2386840Autism is mostly genetic, so if your father has autism, it makes sense that your brother and you also have autism. Your children will probably have autism too. Even if they don't have autism, since your children will be raised in part by an autistic mother, they will grow up mirroring certain autistic behaviours. So, for example, if Mum and Dad both have autism, but they have Daughter and she doesn't have autism, Daughter will still grow up surrounded by autism and autistic behaviours so she will naturally take after her parents and become a quasi-autist.
Autism isn't that common, it's a well-known problem in psychology circles today that autism is being over-diagnosed. Usually, the reason children are being diagnosed with autism even without having it are because:
>Their parents believe that their child is autistic for whatever reason, so they will shop around for a doctor to confirm their belief.>An autism diagnosis begets certain privileges for children in school, e.g., a child with behavioural problems will get more accommodations at school with an autism diagnosis rather than just on the basis of behavioural problems.>The quality of psychological education has been degrading since the mid-2000s, and the requirements for diagnosis have been watered down in recent years by persons that wouldn't have had the right to diagnose in prior to the mid-2000s.>Autism as a diagnosis has been shifting away from its original diagnostic criteria for a long time, this was made worse by the decision to combine Autism with Aspergers in the DSM in the early-2010s. ASP is a catch-all diagnosis that under-experienced and under-educated psychotherapists use to remedy their own ignorance.ASD is also seen as more common now because it's become the new vogue mental illness à la MDD in the late-2000s and early-2010s. Remember how in 2012 every person on Tumblr had "depression?" It's the same idea now: impressionable teenagers want to belong to a community, they see a identity-based community online with lax requirements of entry, so they latch on to that identity to feel like they're a part of something.
No. 2386914
>>2386887So true nona. I think psychologists have very strong confirmation bias issues. If someone comes in saying "hey I watched tiktok a lot and now I think I may have ADHD" they're going to purposely look for any sign that you have ADHD, often ignoring everything else possibly being the cause. Or they draw the wrong conclusion like "the depression is a symptom of ADHD" rather than the other way around. I think part of the problem is also that people don't think depression is "enough" anymore. It's not a "permanent" enough condition so you can't tell your boss "I need accommodations due to depression" the way you can with ADHD.
I think I speak for nearly everyone when I say I've known people who suddenly got a ADHD diagnosis despite the fact that they clearly did not have a past of ADHD symptoms, nor do they seem to struggle THAT much in the present time either. They're clearly just really stressed out at the moment and have never had to face that before.
No. 2386916
>>2386887Because MDD and GAD can be cured with psychotherapy. ADHD is a lifelong disorder, so patients can't be cured of it. Most physicians get more $$ by prescribing ADHD medications compared to prescribing SSRIs.
In the same vein, a lot of people don't do their due diligence when it comes to choosing their psych team. I would never dream of choosing a therapist or a psychologist with under 20 years of experience. Yet, a lot of people choose freshly-graduated psychotherapists with very minimal training and experience and then they trust them to properly diagnose them. As I said before, ADHD is a lifelong disorder, but it's also a very useful tool for the eternal-
victim. It's basically a "Get Out of Jail Free!" card for lazy people that don't take their lives seriously, so a lot of latent-munchies prefer an ADHD diagnosis over a GAD diagnosis.
No. 2387429
>>2347389It took me years and years on end to find even 1 neuropsych in my state who screens adults. The medical community as a whole (like much of society) still views autism as a "children's disorder." Sure, the diagnosis is "easy" if you actually fit the criteria, after the long search to find a doctor who will even screen adults. But anon's assertion that anyone can just stroll into any doc's office and get an autism diagnosis like it's nothing, and that a medical diagnosis would somehow not be legit either, is incredibly laughable and stupid.
What do you mean by "red flags"?
No. 2387569
>>2387429>What do you mean by "red flags"?Damn you're are so lucky I happened to be lurking right now lmao
I mean there were things about me that could have been explained by other things than autism. For one I had long standing anxiety that started around puberty… what teenager isn't anxious? I don't think they fully considered or looked into the fact that I might JUST be anxious. I also didn't have any sensory issues, I've actually later discovered some but at the time it showed up as if I was almost completely lacking any issues there. I had close autist-diagnosed friends, so it could easily have been social contagion, or me copying them for whatever reason. None of my parents are autists or anything close to disordered either, they're full on normal normies. I never walked on my toes or did anything stereotypical for autistic kids. I was obviously also high-functioning enough that I somehow made it through school without being diagnosed, so what's the point in diagnosing me as an adult? I still am somehow clearly spergy enough that I got a diagnosis. Perhaps me being a nitpick and thinking they didn't even test it all properly is part of what made it obvious I do indeed meet the critera of being an autist kek
>and that a medical diagnosis would somehow not be legit either, is incredibly laughable and stupid.That's a pretty bold claim to make in a time when 12 year old girls regularly have their breasts amputated and get injected with anabolic steroids because they have the diagnosis "gender dysphoria". I'm glad you have faith and trust the medical industry in your state though, I really truly hope they deserve that trust.
No. 2387674
>>2387653I used to go to a clinic that had high turnover rates so I was cycled through like 5 different psychs in the time I was there (yeah, it's shit but I was too overall burnt out to do something about it and go somewhere else at the time). I'd seen 3 different psychs prior to that while living in other places.
It really depends on the psych, I'd say 2/3rds were really keen on just trusting self-testimony of ADHD and letting me do my own thing while 1/3rd were very stingy about it and required extensive preliminary testing/continual retesting before they'd agree with an ADHD diagnosis over other things and prescribe stimulant medications accordingly.
I wish more psychs were like the latter tbh, like yeah it's annoying when you really need it but stimulant medications do need to be dispensed carefully and I experienced more malpractice with the psychs who handed them out very freely.
No. 2387928
>>2387653The ancient battle of
>they diagnosed too many peopleAnd
>but they refuse to diagnose MEBoth can be true at the same time. I think larpers buying certain diagnosis so often makes some psychologists more hesitant to diagnose people with those labels. You're not the problem, the 9/10 other people they saw who cried wolf are, and you're the one suffering for it. It's always the most vulnerable people who end up paying the price.
No. 2391776
>>2391566>I maintain friendships because it's beneficial in society>is making me miserableI feel like my little pony friendship is magic was made for you because you clearly don't understand what real friendship is and need to be taught about it. It's a good show tho.
>>2391670>thinking I was loved for my mind when in reality my family/community was just anticipating how these might translate into financial success and social prestigeI think you're vastly overthinking it and changing your past to be able to wallow in self-pity that people don't like your chosen path. People really did love you and valued you, why are you so set and denying their feelings just because they NOW are unsure about your current choice? I'm assuming you're an autist so you should know that coping with change and getting off the anticipated path can be mentally hard to accept, that sometimes includes others judging your path because they don't understand why you changed it out of the blue. Did they truly know your last job made you miserable and that you wanted to kill yourself over it? Maybe to them it looked like you just got a bit bored and quit on a whim. Or if they did know, maybe they think that you switched paths because you got so mentally drained and confused that you're not thinking clearly and don't know what's best for you.
No. 2392196
>>2392059Are you sure you didn't just grow up to be an adult and they no longer coddled you as if you were a small child? Serious question because that's incredibly common for normies too. Parents regularly go "omg Steve you could be a doctor one day when you grow up! Or a lawyer! You're so smart, you are THE smartest kid in the WORLD! You'll be the president one day!" and I could see that be translated for an autist to think they literally meant all that so when they stopped at an appropriate age and get serious about what job youo'll have they think parents hate them and no longer love or believe in them, just like I've seen normies say too but more intense.
I've also yet to meet an autist who doesn't have massive problems with over-thinking and assuming everyone hates them for some ridiculous made up reason that only exists in their heads. Including ones with a healthy upbringing, it's just an inherent risk to autist brains being very self-focused. I'm so glad I entered autistic groups online with a lot of "exaggerated" autistic personalities because I was eventually able to realize I was acting as self-centered and annoying as they were, just on a smaller scale. Initially it made me seethe but once I accepted it and realized I had to change my life and relationships have improved a lot.
>reported by many autistsjust doesn't always reflect reality. A lot of the time we end up being retards led by other retards (or led by normies pretending to be retards, idk which is worse). Think about it like a paranoid person having delusions: do you think a normie or a fellow paranoid person would be better at reassuring them? It's easy to assume another paranoid person would be able to relate and talk them out of it, but instead what happens is the other paranoid person goes "yes, there are spies in your cabinet and the mice do steal from you at night, I've heard them too so I can confirm they are real" and now you have two paranoid people affirming each others delusions instead. That happens with autism too when we always go "yes, people do in fact hate you and everyone is disappointed in you so you should resent them and cut them out of your life for good".
No. 2392343
>>2392196>Are you sure you didn't just grow up to be an adult and they no longer coddled you as if you were a small child? Yes, you obnoxious dork. Believe it or not, I had experiences in my life between "being a literal 3 year old" and "adult woman". Not everybody is raised in your theoretical perfect family that loves and cherished every child "despite their differences".
>I've also yet to meet an autist who doesn't have massive problems with over-thinking and assuming everyone hates them for some ridiculous made up reason that only exists in their heads.Okay, that's your experience. It doesn't mean you should come in here to shit on other women who are trying to relate to others with similar problems. Your interactions with terminally online autists isn't the entirety of autism in women.
You're coming in here with this holier-than-thou attitude pretending like every autistic woman is exactly like you, and you're so much more enlightened now because YOU were a self centered dipshit but "figured it out". If anything you're falling into the same trap by assuming every other woman in this thread dealing with cruelty from non-autists is a spoiled brat with no awareness outside of herself. Just like you were.
You should use a modicum of that new awareness outside of yourself to realize autistic women are disproportionately targeted to be groomed, ostracized, assaulted, and generally victimized compared to women who are not autistic. And not contribute to that by coming in and shitting up this thread with unhelpful "but are you SURE people are REALLY being mean to you, womanchild?" tripe.
No. 2392356
>>2392327Hey ty for responding. To my knowledge, here are the symptoms besides rumination that I've been dealing with that have led to both an ADHD diagnosis and a "diagnostic screening" for OCD therapy (I screened in such a way they allowed me into the therapy group, they didn't diagnose me)
>transitioning to new tasks>staying motivated on current tasks>regulating emotions (I either ignore them or shut them down, or get caught in a feeling loop of i'm feeling this way and I shouldn't)>short term memory is garbage>fidget all the time, i have to be "doing something" constantly whether that's doomscrolling or fiddling with my hair or tapping my leg or playing with my neck skin, why the fcuk do i do that>impulse controlI've been taking Prozac for OCD and it really reduces the ruminations. I take vyvanse and have taken adderall in the past. Both helped with organization and emotional regulation but not in the way I think it should? Or I'm wondering what I should be feeling considering that I'm a big walking mess when I'm not taking it…
No. 2392359
>>2392348Your first step should probably be getting full, and then sitting down and meal planning. You want to look at foods that are pretty easy to make, usually combining canned foods into a pot or casserole dish and then cooking it. After you serve yourself, you can eat the leftovers for your next few meals.
You can find a few meals you like, double or triple the recipes, and then freeze what you won't eat in a few days. You can either freeze it in a big container, or freeze it in meal sized portions. The second one could be good for you, because then you can freeze it in a microwave safe container, and pop it directly into the microwave like a frozen dinner.
No. 2392626
>>2392356How much would you say those traits impact your daily life? Is it a minor inconvenience? A major impediment for you in accomplishing goals?
>Vyvanse and Adderall helped with organization and emotional regulationHow did you expect it to help you vs. what did it actually do? Am I correct in reading that the symptoms you listed are also the symptoms you presented that led to the potential OCD screening?
Sorry for playing 20 questions. I'm just trying to get a better picture of what you struggle with and how much. I'm not a medfag but just have done a lot of reading on ADHD in women and to a lesser degree ADHD and OCD comorbidity.
No. 2393036
>>2393026Jesus fucking christ.
>>2391566Anyways, while you are a unique person, there is definitely someone out there who has had enough similar experiences to you that you will be able to relate to one another. It took me until I was in my late 20s to find my best friend, and we come from entirely different backgrounds. Does she need to intimately understand my every waking thought? No, but we have a synergy and understand enough of each other to develop a strong relationship.
Don't waste your time on relationships that aren't having a positive impact on your life, but don't give up too soon, either. Not everybody has to be a close, cherished friend. You can and should have acquaintances. But I think you should keep looking for a good friend who you mesh well with, even if you need to take a break from searching every now and then.
No. 2394432
>>2394404Take some time to familiarize yourself with the non-verbal cues that normies have that indicate when they are finished speaking. You can find guides for this online or in some self-help books targeted towards autists wishing to improve their social skills.
It can be difficult for autists to realize which time is the right time to speak, especially when the conversation includes several people. The solution to this is to research how to be more present in a conversation and to practice conversing. It won't be easy for you, but it's something you have to do.
>>2394429NTAYRT, but you have a pessimistic and defeatist attitude. You would prefer to languish in your pain instead of working towards healing it, but that's a very harmful outlook. Nobody is meant to be alone because human beings are social animals. Autists are human beings, therefore they are social animals. To claim that some autists are born to be alone is a cope and it's a poor excuse that borders on delusion. There are lots of programs for autists to improve their social skills and to help them make friends.
No. 2394461
>>2392196>I've also yet to meet an autist who doesn't have massive problems with over-thinking and assuming everyone hates them for some ridiculous made up reason that only exists in their headsIt's because we
trigger disgust and annoyance in people which makes us easy targets for hostility and bullying. If you're met with consistent rejection you default to "this person dislikes me" until proven wrong. Thing is only a fraction of hostility is because of autism but it's frequent enough to make you think it's
always because you're retarded
>A lot of the time we end up being retards led by other retards (or led by normies pretending to be retards, idk which is worse)Kekkk i was thinking about this yesterday, how unfortunate it is that so many autists can't detect fakers because they can't imagine someone would lie so easily and frequently
>>2394436Same, somewhat related but many of my interests (special or just regular curiosity) are about things that initially scared/overwhelmed me. It's like an exorcism. Psychology and anything related to human behavior/societies for example
No. 2394775
>>2394404I feel this in my bones, nonna.
Has anyone ever told you that you speak too loudly or too quietly? My voice is very quiet so my issue with group conversations is that even when I do manage to speak up, someone else will invariably speak over me and people will pay attention to them instead. I can imagine that if someone’s voice is louder than usual, people are more likely to get annoyed when that person speaks up vs. when someone quieter speaks up even if they’re technically not doing anything wrong or unusual.
I wish I had any useful advice. I’ve done all the social skills trainings and I recognise the cues people give off when they’re finished speaking but if I wait for them to finish entirely, someone else will always butt in before I can. It’s like you’re supposed to interrupt a little but not too much. People seem to be less offended by interruptions if the interrupter appears to be agreeing with them and smiling, even if they then immediately change the subject.
>>2394436When I was younger I was very interested in societies with strict rules of etiquette which led to an interest in the comedy of manners genre, particularly works by Jane Austen. I also enjoy tv series and movies where rules of etiquette, social conflict, misunderstandings, manipulation, essentially Theory of Mind plays a major role. I’m actually better at picking up on such things in tv shows than the NT people I watch them with and it’s become a kind of habit for them to pause the show and ask me wtf is going on when they lose track of the plot. It’s a lot of fun. Unfortunately this doesn’t translate to real life because real people aren’t actors and there’s no convenient panning the camera over to the person making the Significant Facial Expression. And in real life, I’m expected to participate. That’s the worst part.
No. 2395408
>>2395362ayart. Based off of everything you have shared you sound like you have ADHD, not OCD. Rumination is a symptom of OCD but is not unique to the disorder. OCD at its core is an anxiety disorder and rumination is present in all anxiety disorders. This isn't to say you are not benefiting from the OCD treatment with prozac and therapy, but that they are successful due to the fact it's the same treatment you would receive if you presented with just GAD. The comorbidity rate with anxiety disorders and ADHD is absurdly high so I think that's much more likely the case here than your therapist's theory of pure OCD.
Generally if someone did not have ADHD they would not react the way you described when prescribed stimulants. It would be more likely that you would have experienced an increase in your ruminations. Binge eating is also a known comorbidity with ADHD since in effect your brain is seeking stimulation in
some way. It's why people with ADHD are also at a higher risk for developing addictions. It's difficult to explain the difference between my ADHD's hyperfixations and my OCD's ruminations, but they're distinctly different in how they present and how I respond to them. From the outside they both could look like obsessions however so it's hard for many to totally distinguish between the two.
I hope this was helpful nona, feel free to comment any time and I will try to reply back if you have further questions.
No. 2397351
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>Be diagnosed sperg, complain about extreme social difficulties to my therapist
>"People are cruel and/or avoid you because they're all tech rotted ipad kids who can barely communicate with each other and you have a very mature mindset, not because they can tell youre autistic"
Not sure how to take that because other people seem to be able to communicate just fine. I don't feel mature, I feel like a dysfunctional womanchild despite being in my 20s. I think she's biased because she primarily works with a lot of cocomelon-brained zoomers.
Do you ever get told you're mature minded or an "old soul" despite having childish interests and/or appearance?
No. 2397424
>>2397351>Do you ever get told you're mature minded or an "old soul" despite having childish interests and/or appearance?All the damn time until I hit my mid-20s. I hate it especially when people tell autistic girls this, because they widen the chasm between autistic girls and our peers. I knew so many girls who befriended inappropriately old people (like hanging out with 40s and 50s people while they're still teenagers) and this was considered acceptable by their parents and therapists because they're so "mature". In their mind, it's better to befriend a creepy 40+ year old moid who has no business wanting to hang out with a teenage girl because they're "getting along" and the girl is getting some social exposure, rather than her struggling to befriend girls or even boys her own age. It's also an easy cop out for therapists to not have to work so hard. They can just be all
>idk anon you're an old soul. There's no point in trying to relate to these tech-rotted kids because they Just Won't Understand YouInstead of providing actual solutions like "Have you asked them what they're watching?" Or literally anything that might help the situation.
No. 2397686
>>2397351>I think she's biased because she primarily works with a lot of cocomelon-brained zoomers.Honestly she might be onto something there though. Normies are becoming dysfunctional too these days. I mean just the fact that she has likely has normie clients like that when "back in the day" only people with real trauma or disorders went to therapy.
>Do you ever get told you're mature minded or an "old soul" despite having childish interests and/or appearance?All the time kek I literally have danger hair and wear a pretty alt fashion style. Maybe they're just so surprised I'm not as childish as they had thought that I seem mature compared to their own image of me, who knows.
But in SOME cases it's warranted, like I don't use social media like other people my age and never have so I do seem "older" that way.
No. 2399075
>>2397351>Do you ever get told you're mature minded or an "old soul" despite having childish interests and/or appearance?I think this happens to a lot of women even if they’re neurotypical if they’re just the slightest bit inclined to think more deeply of things, just another way to dismiss our concerns and extort emotional labor.
Anon you should really get a new therapist. Even if she is seeing mostly “cocomelon-brained zoomers” her generalization just shows how narrow minded she is and she was very dismissive of your goal. Giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming that you are an “old soul” she still basically just told you to give up when a productive therapist could have helped you get the root of what you feel to be socialization/communication issues
No. 2399086
>>2395408Thanks
nonnie… At the end of the day, nobody cares about that internal power struggle/question about who am I, what am I dealing with, and how should I treat it except for me, but BECAUSE I am essentially addict-brained (binge eating for 10+ years, then developing ED/bulimia, then exercising, then weed, smoking, drinking, ADHD medication) I feel like I am an intrinsic failure, like I will always have to be struggling with a vice and never live up to my full potential. The imposter syndrome, so on and so forth.
>>2397351I was told I have an old soul by a juror in a school competition, "like Gertrude Stein". Thanks for that comparison, I'm going to spin out and worry about all the ways in which I'm like Gertrude Stein.
No. 2399095
>>2399086>Gertrude SteinHad to go look her up, she seems based. Applied to medical school and dropped out because it bored her too much. This is from Wikipedia
>Her uncorseted physical appearance and eccentric mode of dress aroused comment and she was described as "Big and floppy and sandaled and not caring a damn."I aspire to be this badass one day.
No. 2399429
>>2399098Yeah, teachers can be a pain in the ass. My own head teacher told me in 7th grade that I was a nuissance because I didn't make friends on her class, turns out I was bullied hard.
But I don't care about it anymore, I'm living my best life and maybe she's dead.
No. 2399891
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To me, the autistic experience is the state where you hope that at certain age your problems will magically disappear. Before I was diagnosed, as a teenager I just hoped "one day" I will grow out of "this". My family and teachers also used to tell me, I will and I have to stop being "like this". But "that" day never came
It's my 30th birthday today and I think I wouldn't feel so terrible about aging if I wasn't so far behind others and low functioning. There's ageism and society telling you you're old already, but the fact that I have nothing to show makes it so much worse. Sometimes I feel like I'm going insane, I just want to lay down and rot and cry. The only thing that keeps me somewhat sane for now is that I still look younger, but I'm scared how I will cope with my body changing when I no longer look like someone in their 20s, if coping with the number "3" being in the front instead of "2" is already that hard. I hate any changes. I've been young my whole life. The state of youth is the state I've gotten used to. I hated how my body changed during puberty and I still can't fully accept it. Aging makes it worse. My body changes but inside I still feel the same, like a child. I'm the same as I was at 15. I'm not high functioning, I struggle with basic tasks, formalities are hard for me, I can't form relationships or friendships, I feel alone and I'm the happiest in my own fantasies, real world paralyzes me, thinking about fictional characters, daydreaming and spending hours on researching my current fixation makes me happy. My therapist told me many times I should not compare myself to neurotypical people. I'm not like others and I will never be like others because I have developmental disorder, and on top of that many traumas from childhood neglect, I will also be evaluated for ADHD. But then again, there are autistic/ADHD people who function way better than me and aren't failures like me. Autism is not an excuse for being a FAILURE. What did go so wrong for me? Why do I still struggle with basic tasks, why didn't I achieve anything, no higher education, no skills, and I regressed in the only skill that I was good at and I could make money from. I blew the chance for being self employed, I ruined everything. I grow older, the expectations towards me grow, but I still feel and behave like a child. I'm scared I will regress even more in the next decade. I'm sorry for blogposting, I feel so pathetic and alone with this
No. 2400760
>>2399891Sorry nona, your worth isn't connected to how well you flip a burger or make a billion friends. You're still a person who has your own value. If you like escapism, maybe you'd like to write or create your own world somehow? You can do that at your own pace and for your own sake just for fun! And if you ever decided to share it maybe it would comfort and help someone else too. There are plenty of people who just share their ideas or theories online through videos or blogs and they get an audience because people find it fun to hear about it.
And idk if this is a bit unhinged advice BUT I find if I'm stuck in a period where I just can't help but compare myself to others, make an effort to compare yourself to people who have it worse than you. There are many documentaries about freaky medical conditions, like Abby & Brittany the conjoined twins who share a body. Watching them makes me feel both like my life isn't that bad, and also a sort of companionship because there really are plenty of weirdo not standard humans like me out there!
No. 2401898
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>irl be told i am articulate
>online get asked if i am esl
anyone else?
No. 2401904
>>2401898I'm surprised I haven't been accused of being a tard/esl, because I make
so many typos when I phonepost. I only ever seem to catch them after hitting reply, and they're always the embarrassing kind of typos, like using "too" instead of "to."
No. 2401928
>>2401903no. if i was ESL there would be no reason to ask about this
>>2401904i can proofread my post a dozen times and i still end up having a word out of order or mistype something
No. 2403184
>>2401898kek ok so this is overly specific (and not an attack on you) but I knew another autistic moid in my non-English speaking country. He hated our native language so he refused to speak anything other than English to me. He was VERY proud over how grammatically correct he was. He was the type to throw in unnecessary "fancy" words to make himself feel smart, acting like "it makes communication clearer and more exact" when it very clearly did fucking not. Like he'd be chatting to people from other countries with obvious broken English and instead of going "the animal was killed" he'd be like "the mammalian creature was unreservedly eviscerated" and then the poor other people would naturally be confused af. He didn't know how to use English to communicate, he just knew the English dictionary well. He was so proud over his language skills, when in reality he wasn't even basic level fluent because he didn't know how to communicate. Meanwhile my own social media ass level of English got me friends instantly because while I don't know as many fancy words, I'd actually speak/write it fluently while throwing in stupid memespeak and slang. I'd use it closer to how native speakers used it in daily life, and would end up sounding more fluent. Because no native speaker would ever go "unreservedly eviscerated" out of the blue while "lol it fuckin dead" would be accepted.
Also the few times he did speak our native language he'd mess up by using English phrasing instead, which sounds retarded in our language. That bitchboy couldn't even speak his own language correctly, he had no right bragging about skills in another language.
No. 2405953
>>2405083I’m just ADHD but I kinda relate, I work with little kids and sometimes I feel more engaged talking to them because they haven’t had the natural curiosity socialized out of them and are genuinely interested in hearing about random bits of trivia I picked up from whatever fleeting hyperfixation. The smarter ones even ask great questions and we’ll look stuff up together and it’s so much fun.
In your case maybe it’s a combination of that childlike wonder and younger people being less socially inhibited than adults and therefore easier to “read”?
No. 2406160
>>2405083I don't see it as a problem, I'm friends with older people because I genuinely like them as people. I do also have a friend my age so it's not like it's only old people.
I usually don't like where young people are in life. They're constantly horny, want to "experiment" with stupid shit, selfish, partying and getting fucked up is the standard, they're poor and waste money on things I don't care about. I've always preferred people with stable lives and stable relationships, they're down to go to the boring things I like such as museums or to see some cool nature with a sweet dog tagging along or trying a new hobby like painting. They don't have a new boy/girlfriend every other month and instead have hobbies they share with me. They've also got nice stories to share of their lives that aren't just "so I got really drunk and fucked this guy". I feel like I would have fit in better socially like 100 years ago because I'm such a "good girl" by default. I don't mean to be and I wasn't brought up by strict parents or anything, it's literally just my default to be like this.
No. 2406947
>>2391055Depends what kind of disorders. Ones like BPD and NPD hinge on wanting constant attention/validation from other people, which is the opposite of what autists want, so it would be kind of weird if a person had both at once? Can't imagine how that would work. For something like ASPD, I can definitely see that being a thing. Have met a few autists that seem to be total sociopaths at the same time.
>>2402679NO NO NO. NEVER tell HR that you have any kind of non-physical disability. They will find a way to fire you using some other excuse (or if you're an at-will job, for no reason at all)
No. 2409873
>>2409829You've met bippies who claim they're autistic. Autism and BPD are diametrally opposed. There's no such thing as "opposite" conditions but they're really, really,
really contradictory. BPD people cannot stand aloneness and a lot of their issues stem from the fact they have a very frail self so loneliness (even sporadic, even imaginary) is catastrophic for them. Autists don't fear aloneness like that, actually we often reject contact (eg. not liking eye contact). Bippies struggle socially but it's because they fuck things up by being
too demanding, intense and controlling, as a way to cope with their very unstable mood and psychic pain. We couldn't be more different. Autistic people with shitty,
abusive childhoods might be insecure people or have disorganized attachment but that's different from full-blown BPD. If someone says they have both, it means they're lying or mistaken, honestly it's usually a lie especially with this trend of self-dx
No. 2409944
>>2409884>I'm pretty sure there are 4 different accepted types of BPDNTAYRT but this isn't real. The "4 types" is pop. psych. disinformation that bippies use to obfuscate their disorder. No psychologist worth anything would say there are 4 different types kek. There's only 1 BPD.
>>2409873Autistic people can have personality disorders. Autism doesn't mean you're an alien.
No. 2410035
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Have any nonnas done behavioral therapy? I start tomorrow and I'm nervous. I really want to learn better coping skills and social skills so that I can keep up with my friends. It makes me so embarrassed trying to hang out places with them and having to go home due to getting overstimulated and having meltdowns. I wish I could drive or have a job like they do…I'm already 24 and I'm still a stupid NEET. I cry a lot because I feel like I'm getting nowhere in life. I'm getting support from the government due to my tard status so I hope I can utilize it well and improve myself a lot so that I can actually contribute to society and feel more mature.
No. 2410073
>>2410035If you're getting neetbux it is a really good idea to pay for a driving school. My dad wanted to kill me because teaching me to drive was so hard, but the driving school actually saved my retarded ass. It also made me feel way less anxious because they have special cars where the passenger side has a wheel and brakes for the instructor. I felt so much better knowing she could take over if I fucked up, and she told me over and over that she would do it if I fucked up the day we did freeway driving kek
And after you learn to drive (and get over your first major fuck ups) you don't forget and driving myself around is one of my favorite things to do. You're alone, in your car that you keep the way you like, with music you choose, on a road you've driven before. You can even practice driving somewhere the day before appointments to reduce stress.
No. 2410077
>>2409944>Autistic people can have personality disorders. Right, i just don't believe it's possible with BPD. I've never seen it, can't picture it because it looks impossible and every person i've seen claiming it didn't show a single genuinely autistic trait, only cluster B traits, they acted just like any other bippie.
>>2409992You seem okay, honestly. Nothing evil about holding grudges, it's just not an ideal trait, but that's fine. Besides, autistic people are more prone to stuff like magical thinking and even schizophrenia. The very word "autism" is actually related to schizo, it was used to describe how delusional patients would retreat into themselves. That's not to say you're schizo or anything but it's very possible you're
just autistic, even if you've got weird things going on
No. 2410179
>>2409884>People show their BPD in different waysEvery mental disorder can't be a fucking "spectrum", it's getting ridiculous
>>2410160>are there adhd women who also suffer with porn addiction or hypersexuality due to low dopamine too?judging by the fact that my friends with adhd all identify as fujos and that's a very core part of their lives and hobbies, i'd say yes
No. 2410180
>>2410162I'm very hopeful for you, nonna! I asked my dad about it a little more just for you, and he said he paid for extra lessons for me, too. That driving school in particular was known for having driving instructors that could get the job done with autistic and other learning disabled kids, though it wasn't specialized or special ed accredited or anything like that. So you might also want to ask around in autism/disability support groups to see what schools those parents sent their kids to.
Before I actually got inside of a car, my driving school had us attend a class on the weekend. A bunch of other kids and I were taught driving laws by a lecturer, supplemented by videos, and we did practice tests for the written portion of the DMV test. It was super helpful and I only missed one question on my actual test kek.
Do whatever it takes! Driving is a really important skill and it is one of the biggest limitations when someone is attempting to achieve independence.
No. 2410206
>>2410160As someone with adhd I go from sex repulsed to needing to masturbate more than 4 hours a day. It's unpredictable but I think I notice there are
triggers for me. Usually if I see something that pisses me off it can kind of send a signal to my brain. Maybe its my brain overcompensating idk.
No. 2410526
>>2410515You're probably going to have more luck befriending adhd women who are non-autists or don't have autistic traits which impair their functioning too much. If you're good at being friendly or charasmatic, that's your target. Women who are functional enough to be part of society, but are still a little "off" enough to not quite fit in with normies at large. They may be more introverted or have strange interests. They may even have more "normal" interests, but be fixated more than the average woman, or flip back and forth between interests too often for people to "trust". Normies view that as an "inconsistent personality" rather than a busy brain.
A lot of more socially adjusted autists make the mistake of trying to befriend women who are too mentally ill to actually gel with them past surface interests.
No. 2410553
>>2410538NPD needs the genuine grandiosity and
abusive behaviour though. Learning to read people does not make you inherently manipulative, though a lot of autists especially women can
feel they are.
Not saying NPD and autism can't be comorbid because I've seen some textbook cases, but
autistic women thinking they're narcissistic just makes me sad kek