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What media would you say deserves the fanbase it gets? Good or bad?
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tifs are so whiny kek
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>>2499059While it's true male fandoms have much lower amounts of poz, drama, and witch hunts, TIM spaces are a whole different story. They take the worst of female behavior and selectively multiply it tenfold for the powertrip. Signs to watch out for:
>huge autist moid rates (ex: retro gaming, the FGC, anything involving editing like YTPs)>popular stuff involving or implying yuri (ex: Madoka Magica, Love Live, Bang Dream)>outright troonslop lmao (ex: Undertale/Deltarune, When They Cry (thanks umineko))>>2502989Good question, I personally nominate Danganronpa for fostering a secondary culture across gaming where it's okay to call yourself a fan of something by watching someone else go through it and taking their commentary as gospel. It showed in the memes too where some streamer's cringy running joke would become a fandom staple while having zero relation to anything in the game itself (something something nagito bagels). Even today new DR fans "experience" the games through let's plays (or the shitty anime for THH, i don't know which one is worse) so i can't trust their opinions on anything.
>>2503049beautiful
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>>2503148Good: Discworld, it's one of those rare book series written by a man that has actually interesting female characters that aren't conventionally attractive but still important. I hope it never gets a modern adaptation so I don't have to see people claiming Rincewind as a tif.
Bad: Star Wars, fuck Lucas and fuck Disney.
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>>2503161I hate how many fandoms are riddled with TIMs for being autism magnets which are otherwise cute or innocent like MLP or Kirby. They always make everything weird or preverted too. The best fandoms or hobbies lean older, are boring to an autistic male but appealing to female autism like fabric arts.
I see no women in that picture, imagine the smell.
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>>2503172It's been 10 years and they're
still screeching that Rey is a Mary Sue who doesn't smile enough. It's legitimate mental illness.
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>>2503161Love how all of the moids who aren't trannies are obese KEKKKKK. Sad that autist interests are filled with trannies though, it's impossible to find other women if you have one. It looks like it fucking smells in there
>UndertaleDespite having troonslop; undertale had a decent female fanbase before deltarune came out. I think it's because the female characters were well written and didn't come off as pandery. Deltarune is… definitely worse, so it's mainly troons. When it comes to the gay stuf: Alphys and Undyne were really cute and most women thought the same while Noelle and Susie just come off as yuribait for troons + all the troons are projecting themselves onto Noelle. I only notice women talking about Deltarune months into the release of a new chapter, like how alot of women liked Spamton after chapter 2.
Deltarune seemed pretty promising during the chapter one era but nowadays all people (troons) talk about is Kris being non binary or whatever sigh.
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>>2503189I
think some side characters have they/them pronouns, and a few retards in the fandom interpreted Metatton's quest to get a robot body as a ~trans allegory~ (in reality he and Alphys are just weebs and he wants to be become a bishie husbandobot to be famous).
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>>2503190Oh, and Asgore. Fanart always loves to make this dude fat as hell, which personally didn't make sense to me because he's the king who actually knows combat. What reason would it make sense to draw Asgore as fat? Just remembered it's kind of the same with Sans. He's a skeleton, drawing him as a manlet makes sense because that's what he is, but when artists "humanize" him, he becomes fat.
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>>2503208This was gay men, yumes didn’t care about him.
Fujos uh…I guess fontcest and sometimes Mettaton with Papyrus since there wasn’t much fujo in undertale.
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>>2503205Maybe, but it doesn't really come across that way in game. It's written more like a simple guy abandoning his roots to chase after fame.
>>2503208To be fair Sans is pretty big boned compared to Papyrus
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>>2503189I think Mettaton is interpreted as being a TIF because of his diaries + the whole "frisk/chara is nonbinary" thing. As undertale got older toby undeniably started pandering towards trannies more
>>2503190No there were definitely a lot of female fans outside of husbando stuff, I just think sans got the most traction. I remember the whole sans fangirl thing kek, but I'm saying that the well written female characters is what made undertale bareable for women to play. If every female character was just a busty anime loli and sans stayed the same I doubt women would like it. There were always trannies in the fandom but it wasn't as crazy as it is with deltarune. I actually like Susie too but I'm not a big fan of Noelle.
>>2503200>>2503216>in reality he and Alphys are just weebs and he wants to be become a bishie husbandobot to be famousYeah that's also exactly what I thought, like with all of that human convention stuff. I think whether Toby wrote Mettaton to be a female or male originally, his story never came off as being a major trans allegory despite Toby being a troon panderer. It always read as him being fame crazed enough to abandon his family (Anyone remember the phone call segment at the end of his fight?)
>>2503208Isn't this kind of art drawn by fags
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>>2503215Yumes dominated the Undertale fandom kek. I remember how it actually got so big that it splintered off into
hundreds of AUs, and there were people who were bigger fans of certain AUs than the canon game. Underfell (edgy AU where everyone evil), Underswap (role reversal AU) and Handplates (whump fanfic comic) were probably the most popular.
That side of the Undertale fandom was actually fun and creative.
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>>2503229What do the Sans selfcest women fall under
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>>2503223I liked the fact she was a genuinely frumpy, awkward weirdo whose good intentions/people pleasing tendencies backfired. The resolution to
the Amalgamates arc was just kind of lackluster and…unrealistically positive, I think. I don't think most people would be willing to forgive something like that. Also the phone call spam got really old really fast.
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>>2503200Since we're finally talking about this, I have two things to say about Deltarune, even though I haven't played it since 2022: I don't give a fuck that Kris has the pronounshit smeared on him because of autist Toby Fox, this kid is a
boy to me. It just makes the most sense off my own intuition from playing it blind. Second of all, Kris being shipped with Susie makes more sense in writing than whatever the fuck that "Suselle" shit is. I'm not saying that because it's straight, I'm saying that because the way Susie and Noelle's relationship is written is so shallow and clearly pandering to faggots who just want another "Undyne and Alphys" couple. Meanwhile with Kris and Susie, they developed chemistry relatively naturally (didn't get along at first but Susie warmed up to Kris). Their chemistry as two good friends feels so much more realistically written with how they joke and hang out. Plus, I personally believe there's implications that Kris does like Susie. Like how if you force Kris to complain about having Susie as ap project partner, his voice will be monotone to imply he doesn't agree with what you're making him say about her. If you tell Susie you would pick her to be the friend he takes to a fair, his immidiate tone in the answer implies that Susie really would be his first choice. Then there's the Susie-themed tea, which IIRC heals Kris the most. They have the best friendship we see in the game, and there's enough sprinkled details to imply that they do have the potential to be good
together, which is how "tomance potential" SHOULD be written instead of Noelle being so obviously up Susie's ass in a way that's so dumb and anime. Yurifags BTFO'd again.
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>>2503235I would put them under the AUfags/lorefags because I guarantee each of those fics has at least
some rule-abiding explanation about how and why this happened.
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>>2503237I haven’t played Deltarune in a while but I thought you were supposed to ship him with the deer girl in a
toxic way
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>>2503240Fair point, I’d say they also kind of fall under a particularly strange genre of yume though
Take the Onceler for example, it’s pretty obvious the girls obsessed with him wanted to date him but since self insert OCs were pretty dead at that point they instead chose to ship him with himself, same goes for Sans girls.
I guess the idea of wanting your husbando to find extreme ‘self love’ is kinda cute.
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>>2503235Yume with a Fujo soul, I always just saw it as another extension of yumefagging
>>2503237Wouldn't say Susie and Kris as a ship makes sense, at all, since Susie is obviously written to be a butch lesbian. Honestly shipping doesn't belong in deltarune, not even because they're teens, they just all seem like good friends. I think thats the charm of Kris and Susie, not in a romantic way, but they come off as really good friends. I wish Kris was just a male too because it'd be nice to see a female/male friendship dynamic that doesn't end in a relationship/marriage/having kids. Suselle sucks ass though, there's no chemistry at all and you can tell Toby felt compelled to add some random lesbian relationship. Noelle just feels out of place, I can't put my finger on it. I just don't like her
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>>2503251>Anyways Kris is so obviously a maleReverse draw a girl call it nonbinary
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>>2503252Susie is very clearly a lesbian even if suselle is forced. I don't know, I don't think Bi should be the default. I'm tired of characters having to "come out" instead of it being read between the lines that they're gay. Noelle is obviously a lesbian too (i mean toby literally sprinkles the word 'gay' in her dialogue by changing the font). Surprised Toby didn't make Noelle Bi though kek
>>2503249It's usually fags
>>2503247The susie and noelle ships with Kris do always come off as harem slop lol. Deltarune ships usually suck unless it's with side characters. I don't know, the main cast just seem like a big friend group. Even suselle, where they're both canonically attracted to eachother. It'd make more sense for susie and noelle to date when they're older but whatever gotta have the yuri
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>>2503186What gets me is that the similarities are superficial. Some DR fans get into VNs that provide similar experiences, like Higurashi and Raging Loop, or Ace Attorney from a gameplay standpoint, but the former are outnumbered by personafag ironic weebs who want to play a dating sim without the stigma of playing one (same reason the like nu-Fire Emblem), and that is if they play the games at all…
>>2503198see i'm willing to excuse that let's play because it doubled as a translation for a linear jp-only game by a neutral party instead of some guy on youtube trying constantly to be funny
>People have had this same mentality with things like RPGmaker games and other VNs long before Danganronpahuh, i didn't know that, but still, i think DR is what made it huge
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>>2503270Samefag but on susie being a lesbian; The only people I see set on susie
not being a lesbian are people who really wanna ship her with the male characters or just believe sexuality is fluid. I mean I don't see the issue with people who read her as Bi though, because her sexuality isn't explicit. I just think it's pretty clear she's a lesbian who doesn't really care about relationships, she's objectively closer to Kris but she crushes on Noelle anyways. She's likely an undyne case where she's written to be a butch lesbian.
>>2503278That route is probably for lorefags who liked the genocide route in the first game, plus there's all that gastershit in the code.
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>>2503285Agreed. I love DR but I never liked the writing for persona (there’s some ships and characters I liked here and there though)
It’s a little disappointing that most of them never bother touching another VN though but I guess most of them aren’t on console or have dub lines.
>Raging LoopGod that VN sucked, Chiemi was best girl though.
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>>2503264>>2503271Not just that but considering noelle's obvious crush on susie I also think it's also moids wanting to "fix" a lesbian. Hate on suselle all you want but I think bland yuri is better than moid self insert shit.
>>2503278I used to cope and say "nooo it's totally meant to be a horror thing it's just the degen fans!!" but when I see toby say shit like picrel… shouldn't have expected any better from a moid
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>>2503278Toby needs to get the fuck off the keyboard some more and let somebody else to the writing then because IF the Snowgrave route was MEANT to be "toxically romantic", I'm speechless. I didn't think that was romantic chemistry in anyway at all, not even abusively. I thought that was just fucked up manipulation with homicidal urges, anon.
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>>2503297Toby has always liked weebshit but ever since he learned Japanese he has been so fucking annoying. He tries so hard to come off as some mysterious Japanese game dev. his tweets used to be funny as fuck too. Just freeze him in 2015 forever. Undertale would've been great untouched, kind of like petscop ifykwim kek. I think it's why Alphyne is better than Suselle, one is based off of lesbians he knew as he wrote gay male characters too in undertale, while one is based off of Japanese yuri (not the best depiction of lesbians). Interesting how he kept Susie as a masc though, but Noelle is just… So trannyesque.. It's just the fact she has so many "hehe guys look shes gay" "omg gay smol bean" jokes surrounding her because she's shy and stuff. Everyone can tell Susie is a lesbian but she doesn't get that treatment
>>2503313Oh yeah lmfao. That spergout was so gay, I remember kind of siding with Matpat because of how gay toby sounded
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>>2503325>I remember kind of siding with Matpat because of how gay toby soundedHe just comes across as kind of a dick every time he pulls that type of thing. Yiik’s creator is an obnoxious moid but it definitely makes him come across as someone who’s not gonna have your back when he deleted the tweet he made talking about it and how he did a song for it and then deleted it immediately when no one liked the game.
I don’t really hate Toby obviously but I eye roll pretty hard at everyone acting like he’s the most perfect person ever.
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>>2503325It was funny how the entire internet dicksucked him for throwing this melty. People were treating MatPat like a supervillain that Toby Fox bravely defeated in war.
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>>2503344When it comes to being male, neither Toby or Matpat have done anything heinous they're just both male (naturally degenerate), gay, and annoying. One is just more stuck up than the other
>>2503350Susie literally likes Noelle though kek, that's not calling her a lesbian because she's a "tomboy" it's calling her a lesbian because she likes women
>big ol' man-larping lesbianI mean she's a big lesbian, wouldn't call her "man larping" though. Kek wtf nona
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>>2503346I don’t think I’m cocksucking him by saying his hatedom was weird kek, I agree that the AVGN hatedom is also weird though
>HE DOESN’T RELEASE ENOUGH VIDEOS ANYMOREHe has two kids dude fuck off.
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>>2503350>Every woman who's gruff and big has to be a big ol' man-larping lesbianyes !!!!
No. 2503369
>>2503366She drew a shirt with a boy on it that said shota
I think everyone who raged at her for that was retarded though
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>>2503366Eh, I figured that she's appealing to that demographic the same way toilwt bound or black butler does, but I'm not that in the know so if you think she isn't, then I can't really argue back.
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>>2503360Speaking of fetish shit do you guys think he'd ever pander to the "Noelle is a troon" shit? I see it so much among troons who like deltarune because she has antlers
>>2503364(Off topic but
I literally saw moids calling a historical fashie butch lesbian a "tomboy" once. I see more lesbians simply being called tomboys than I see straight tomboys being called butches)
>>2503369Why do these retarded gendies care so much if a woman is kind of edgy? Toby used to be super edgy though he didn't joke about loli/shota shit. He was very "politically incorrect" and his fans would freak out of it but never tried ruining his career over, like it wasn't just him saying faggot he was a huge edgelord. Which I don't really care about but they never hold him accountable in the same way they hold omocat. Funny because Toby and Omocat are friends too lul. It's not like omocat is out here touching kids
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>>2503380>Why do these retarded gendies care so much if a woman is kind of edgy?Misogyny kinda be like that, people take even her super obvious joke tweets 100% seriously.
No. 2503389
>>2503380"Female fujo and shota is gross and wrong", simple as that. It's not like it's uncommon to think that way.
Furry and yurilesbians don't really matter as much, "there are women, that is good" ig.
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>>2503379Yes they do nona but it's subtext. She only likes Noelle despite being closer to Kris. I don't see why people are so insistent on susie not being a lesbian, we're not trying to "tomboy genocide" but her being GNC in the way that she is and liking women makes it more likely that she's a lesbian than a bisexual. Toby wrote most of his gay characters off of what he knew about gay culture (see: Undyne also being "butch", and Mettaton basically being a drag queen/JJBA character ha). Also being written after his gay friends. Noelle being an exception. It's not sexist to say that a GNC character who likes women is probably a lesbian, yes straight and bi women can be tomboys but susie seems to be written otherwise. I'm sure there's great tomboy characters who aren't gay too.
>>2503385They do this shit with JKR too, too bad Omocat isn't a based terve
>>2503387I have a theory that if Noelle was a troon they wouldn't like her despite them always calling her one, they love to project onto real female characters. If Noelle was a canon troon they'd call her antlers "twansphobic"
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>>2503350>Every woman who's gruff and big has to be a big ol' man-larping lesbian, is it 1955?Can you even name 5 characters who fit this description? Most “big” “gruff” female characters like Abby(tlou), Ambessa, Zarya, Marisa (Street Fighter), Dorio (cyberpunk), and Noi (dorohedoro) are either attracted to men/in a relationship with one or don’t have a confirmed romance/attraction.
Some ssa women seeing characters as lesbians is no threat to you. Most lesbians in media, as well as popular lesbian ships, have been very feminine women so no shit some people want to see a butch lesbian(which already has basis in her being heavily teased with another girl). And Susie x Kris has a high amount of fans and fan content so you’re hardly alone in that aspect either.
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Does anyone else hate this amber / tanijrou bitch? She is the very definition of a trend chaser and always hops on whatever the hottest new series is, usually jap thing because she’s a weeb. Right now it’s chiikawa because the series has gained massive popularity from the past few months in the west. If you go through her profile and scroll long enough, you’ll see how sudden the fandom hopping will be kek. She would post about spy family of all things, which is telling because no one really cares about spy family aside from facebook tier normie weebs, she only does it because she wants engagement. she had a blue checkmark before which made me lose all respect for her (even if it wasn’t much) but i think she’s hiding the check now. That would be the only reason why she keeps doing this, but even before twitter blue was a thing, she’d constantly post about current trends anyway.
I remember she posted a video about the spy family ripoff “buddy daddy” where the little girl character had a weird pedo scene of her butt and some people were calling her out on it but she tried to defend it kek.
Witch Hat Atelier is getting an anime soon, and she tweeted about the manga for like three posts because she probably noticed how popular the fandom is on twitter, but has been completely silent on it ever since lmao. I guarantee you this clout chaser will start tweeting about it again when the anime airs
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>>2503828She’s also one of the biggest reasons why the dungeon meshi fandom because so shit. I pity og fans of manga that get anime adaptions because it’s so common for the fandom to get an influx of obnoxious newfags, especially ones who only care about shipping. She’s one of those obnoxious farcille shippers and why I hate most yurifags these days, everything seems so forced. I’m not kidding when I say probably 85% of all viral dungeon meshi tweets when the anime was airing came from her.
Farcille isn’t even canon, its just the usual baiting that these tards love eating up, marcille canonical type is a male elfboy mind you, but these people don’t care and will go through mental gymnastics anyway.
It was so funny when that annoying western interviewer asked Ryoko Kui if marcille and falin were canon and she gave a “you can believe what you want answer” KEK, these gendies and libfem yuritards were coping hard that she didn’t give in to that forced question. I’m glad she didn’t pander to those freaks
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>>2503888Same, but I'm also sort of glad most people don't see it that way. Imagining Kris getting the OOC pornified yandere Chara treatment scares me.
>>2503812>iirc the demo version of the game did actually label Kris as male at first lol.There's 'murderboy' in Undertale's code which may be referring to Chara and Toby called Frisk a he on twitter back when Undertale came out, but there's nothing for Kris. You may be thinking of the anniversary stream in which one of the dads called Kris a he, Toby corrected him though.
>it's almost like most of the characters are written to potentially be shipped with Susie whether seriously or in jest.Yeah. You could argue it's because she's the "real" protagonist or that it will help her realize that other people want her around if she isn't pushing them away, might also just be Toby making the other characters get the hots for his Terezi-inspired waifu.
>>2503297The Halloween hack was made because he wanted more non-stereotypical depictions of homosexuality (though the design document still had misogyny in it kek) and he's been working on this game for years, he isn't going to make an entire 'correction' route just for pandering, even if he's changed from the old Robert who'd post funny tweets and actually answer questions. It is really just the degen fans who think that way.
With that said, to bring this back to fandom discourse, I do think his shift towards Japan is indicative of different fandom culture in the east and west, mirroring the wider culture in those areas. Like it's definitely also him wanting to be the cool and mysterious Japanese game dev of his dreams and meet his heroes, but you have to admit that nowadays he would never do as little as bringing up ero games in English. (The screencap comes from a fan translated article.)
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>"fandom spaces are so male-centered!!!1! why are people so fucking biased towards their husbandos blah blah blah"
>check profile
>is a yume who only posts about the male character she's -currently- obsessed with
Anyone else exhausted of constantly encountering this breed of commentary and the fact it always comes from the place it's supposedly criticizing?
I wish women in fandom would learn once and for all that crying about the popularity of certain characters and/or pairings is NOT activism, and how someone's taste in fictional characters is not a reflection of their true personal views; a gachafag moid whose walls are plastered in posters of his waifus is not exempt of holding misogynistic views just because he obsesses over anime girls. Women and especially young girls focusing on male characters in their fanworks because that's what they are attracted to is completely normal and something to be expected.
But what really drives me nuts is when people are blatantly performative about it like described above, and for what reason? Personally speaking majority of the fanart I make is about female characters yet I don't see the point of all this wank.
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Is this a thing in the original korean text? I can’t believe this gacha game apparently panders to gendies so much unless it’s fandom delusion or english tl meddling, the wikis for Cookie Run and its spin-offs even have 5 separate pages for cookies that go by “he/him”, “she/her”, “they/them”, “it/its”, and “no pronouns”.
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>>2504482Samefag, this is so dumb kek
No. 2504630
>>2504482Koreans don't actually use third person pronouns (they don't even use gendered titles like Mr/Mrs afaia) it's a contextual language so the subject is omitted. It's purely a gendie thing to give every cookie multiple third person pronouns, also it could be a translation error because of the lack of third person pronouns/gendered titles.
I knew of a translation error where gendies thought a Korean BL author was male and got all excited citing an officially translated "author's note" chapter where the translator had written "Mr [author's name]" but I went to the author's twitter and it was a woman lol.
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>>2504482the fandom has been obsessed with the cookies retarded pronouns since like 2018. they fixate on that collectively for some reason. and it becomes exhausting.
I remember the fandom used to think this character was non binary, but it was then "revealed" he was a man in an event.
they started claiming it was nonbinary erasure, when the character was so obviously always a man.
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>>2504673It's localization. Korea doesn't have it. And it's not even retired discourse as people will still attack you if you don't use a fucking cookie's "correct pronouns"
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>>2504673I played this shit back in ovenbreak and it felt like I was rudely awakened from a coma by the ice bucket challenge by seeing that game start cropping up again in fandom drama
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>>2504117>Imagining Kris getting the OOC pornified yandere Chara treatment scares me.This always pissed me off when I was younger because I did interpret Chara to be a girl (the name, plus it just made the character more interesting in my opinion) but everyone else who shared that idea either depicted her like you said, or as a generic mean girl (of all things) to Frisk. Spoilers for autism:
Chara obviously didn't have a huge amount of lines or screentime in the original game, but what we do see is actually quite complex. I'm just gonna refer to her as a girl for simplicity's sake. She willingly went to a mountain with a bad reputation for disappearances as a child, hated humanity so much that she was willing to poison herself in a long con to wage war on them, and seemed quite scary/manipulative while she was alive. At the same time, though, the Dreemurr family genuinely loved her and Asriel had faith that her plans would work, so she must have had good qualities. I think it's worth mentioning that the last straw for her to "take over" in the genocide route is the player deciding to kill Asgore. It gets even deeper if you believe in the "Chara is the narrator" theory which does have some pretty compelling evidence. I don't know if it was intentional on Toby Fox's behalf but it makes for an interesting interpretation of the game, and what Chara represents in general. I haven't played Deltarune so I can't comment if she appears in that. But in the canon game it really seems like Chara was a traumatised kid who lost everything by repeating the cycle of violence, and then came back from the dead as a demon. I hate how shallow fandom interpretations are anyway to be honest. Anyway this thread really resurrected my cringe Undertale phase autism kek