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>>>/ot/2529856Discuss art and related topics such as:
-Talk about Art Youtubers
-Ask about art supplies
-Discuss trashy art trends
-Instagram bullshit
-Art theft!
-General Art Bullshit
-Fandom and Shipping Discourse
-AI generated art (do not shill about your ai trained models key words on a prompt do not make you a artist)
-Do not post your art to be reviewed here use the designated /m/ thread
-Screencaps are necessary while talking about milk
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Articles about useful resources for improving one's art:
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learnhttps://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Tried and true books on perspective, anatomy for artists, etc:
1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
6. Drawing the Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis
7. Figure Drawing by Michael Hampton
8. Force by Michael Mattesi
9. How to Render by Scott Robertson
10. Color and Light by James Gurney
11. The Skillful Huntsman by Scott Robertson/Mike Yamada/Khang Le/Felix
Yoon
op artist: Evgenia Antipova
Useful youtube channels:
https://www.youtube.com/@mangamaterialsyoutube9454https://www.youtube.com/@hidechannel2>where to find arthttps://www.wikiart.org/eshttps://artvee.com/>other useful siteshttps://film-grab.com/https://www.canva.com/colors/color-palettes/https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/figure-drawinghttps://color.adobe.com/es/create/color-wheelhttps://freephotomuscle.com/MANY OF THESE BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE AS FREE PDF FILES ONLINE, GOOGLE AROUND. also check e-hentai and bilibili
Frequently Asked Questions
>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?Resources such as /dbag/ are easy to find online.
>How do I schedule my art?Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?It can be, but the market is incredibly saturated and coomers and furries already have artists they want to commission. You will be competing against thousands of people, consider what makes you stand out and if you really want to sink time and effort into something you may not enjoy even a little.
>Questions regarding AIBoth the AI thread in /m/ or the AI Debate thread might be more suitable.
>What is this style called/who is this artist?Use reverse image search (yandex, tineye, etc.) or the Help Me Find thread.
>What are your thoughts on…?Look through older artist salts or give context.
No. 2554736
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furfag artist who draws bara yiff has been arguing with some tranny apparently but idk who they meant
No. 2554743
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>>2554736samefag he argued but already deleted everything
No. 2554745
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>>2554736>>2554743apparently he called that tiktok tranny a "he/him" and faggots are still crying about it
>Nick is known for his infamous cringe videos, where he purposely tries to get misgendered just to rant about it for clicks. More recently, he’s been filming himself in women’s bathrooms at Disney, “rating” them on camera.sad the drama didnt even last
No. 2554769
>>2554743This is an insanely good point. Trannies are always okay with using "nigga" but the second you don't call them xer it's physical violence.
>>2554745Absolute shame that this shit didn't last. The fire fizzled out despite having ample fodder.
No. 2555111
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>see a video about what female rape survivors were wearing when they were assaulted
>this moid’s reaction is to talk about how moids harassed him for his male feminist comic
Holy retardation
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>>2555157>might be a tifI think it’s clear just from the comic that he’s a moid
>>2555160I initially read it the way he intended it, then upon watching the video I realized he’s retarded for bringing up his own drama, centering his own experience being harassed for making a corny comic about him becoming a misandrist ally, on a video about women who were raped as babies and children. He could’ve commented about the video itself, but he didn’t. He shared his stupid comic and how he was boolied for being a feminist ally on top of that. That’s attention whoring 101. And nothing you say for this moid will stop me from seeing him as yet another self-centered moid who finds ways to talk about himself when “advocating” for women
No. 2555378
>>2555160He quite literally made it about himself. Why would you talk about getting mean comments for any other reason besides getting attention? He could have retweeted the video, talked about the video and in a
seperate tweet talked about his fellow tards being tards.
No. 2555390
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Nonnas, what resolution/size/color profile do you work in when making art for print? And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok online? I’ve always made art digitally but have never printed my work before so I’m new to this. There are so many options, it’s overwhelming.
No. 2555494
>>2555390sRGB and 300dp, usually art programs auto-size your canvas after you select the resolution and their preset printing sizes.
>And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok onlineSimply have two copies, the sRBG for online and the CMYK for printing. I usually just draw normally and post online, then when it's time to print some of the drawings I change the color space to CMYK and ajust the colors so they're as close to the sRGB as posible. I tent to make various versions and print them out on a single sheet to pick which one looks the best.
No. 2555636
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27k likes calling elioli art delusional ooof
No. 2555755
>>2555636i have to say im surprised by how fast and how many even some of their own fans called out their bullshit instead of the usual yesman shit you see with these uber popular artists. it really is a shame they really shouldve dealt with this privately but seeing how attentionwhorey both of the twins are being after the callout id say the early intuition about this being a prstunt was right(and only getting 100 likes on a 100k account…
bots might be real)
No. 2555879
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I wonder if this artist is referring to the comments anons made last thread on
>>2549779It lines up perfectly kek, the tweet was posted last night, a few days after the artist was posted last thread. Unless people are complaining about this guy on twitter too?
No. 2556077
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>>2555636The Elioli meltdown is hilarious, they deleted the callout post and then made an entire thread saying that they "are not bothered and will not change their stance" and "don't believe this will change their audience" but all tweets have locked comments and they've resorted to blocking and calling people "bots" kek. The best part is that there are now many posts showcasing how a lot of their Webcomic takes heavy inspiration from many Ghibli movie frames, scenes and themes and asking why is it okay for their Webcomic to knock off those scenes but when an indie creator does it it's plagiarism.
This is amazing, but also disappointing. I thought Elioli were better than that.
No. 2556304
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I hate to ask, but what are some useful videos to help understand color and how to use them? I'm quite overwhelmed and I'm lost on where to start improving. Right now, I struggle picking colors and my work ends up looking washed out and flat. I'd appreciate any recommendations!
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>>2556077I'm still somewhat on the fence on the Elioli thing. The response from the creator of Cosmo Princess was somewhat weird. "Oh I never saw your art before, except this one time in which I did use something as inspo for one thing but I had no clue it was yours, because I found it on pinterest."
>>2554366 also suggests they ran in similar circles, and he followed her for years.
I think the main proof it's not plagiarized is the fact that Cosmo Princess seems to have a clear plot based on the trailer (spaceboy sees big space princess) and I'm 5 issues into the webcomic and haven't seen any hint of plot yet.
Picrel just utterly confuses me though. I don't see obvious copying here at all, and yet this is claimed to be proof of him "implementing a background." This is also the image the Cosmo Princess artist admitted to seeing and using for inspiration, so why even cop to that? How many "purple pinky tinted scenery mountain" type pics can possibly exist? Millions? More? I don't know about you, but the mountains I live near always turn kind of purpley pinky every sunset. I think that's just how sunsets work.
No. 2556696
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anons what sketchbooks do you use/have used and recommend? or have used and wouldnt use again? and why? im trying to choose but reviews arent helping and the brands seem a bit new so im not sure
No. 2556765
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>>2556702i was thinking about just using printer paper since i mostly use pencils or ballpoint pens, just for sketching and some figure drawings
Also have some alcohol markers but i was thinking of buying the canson brand ones cause i've seen other artists use it
i know nothing about paper tbh No. 2556842
>>2556831Like 90s and 00s anime art, the look of 00s websites or design elements, 00s cartoons, dress up games or "girl" games, scene kid or mall goth look, flash cartoons and website, just any stuff that tends to be kind of trendy right now.
>>2556822It is ridiculous. I saw someone making a joke that in order to not "copy someones artstyle" you would need to somehow forget that you ever saw their artwork in the first place. I think some artists are genuinely just psychos and if it wasn't the style thing they have in issue with they'd find something else to seethe about.
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>>2556765i started using canson sketchbooks (the green "drawing" type specifically) after drawing on printer paper for forever and i love em. ive casually used watercolor, acrylic paint, alcohol markers, reg markers in them and dont have any bleeding problems! The Sketch type is also good but the paper is considerably thinner. only issue ive had with them is the covers tearing at the spiral squares, but thats in my decade old ones and is easy to reinforce/keep from happening if youre aware of it.
No. 2556889
>>2556879I second this.
>>2556765Also I think it's neat that you use classic Godzilla for picrels kek
No. 2556924
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>>2556842This specifically bothers me because 98% of the criticizers weren't even alive for these things. They don't have a right to them. They don't engage with them and copy the same few things. Having been around for all of the 90s and 2000s anime, the bad localizations, DiC sailor moon and Brock eating jelly doughnuts instead of rice balls, it's really exhausting to see your nostalgia be wrung out into a husk for the sake of trends and aesthetics. I could rant about this forever but I'm pissing myself off. Everything is a trend. The thing about the anime specifically is that people were so genuine before and now it's difficult to tell if someone even gives a shit or if they're just plastering their art with sticker scans and old anime because it's trendy or it they even know. I understand but I don't understand.
No. 2556941
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i'm confused, nonas… so confused. it's been a while since i visit these threads because i've been forgetting to backread, i enjoy going through them all. anyways, i've been struggling with growing an audience! yes i'm still a beginner but i've seen people in my skill level get at least 20 likes per piece… my twitter posts don't get to the double digits. i've been the most successful at getting attention in tumblr and i think it's because of the better algorithm, but twitter is still the bigger platform so i obviously want that x clout. i could just grind and git gud in private but i want the interaction! i want people acknowledging things like little details and things my art reminds them of and making discussions off that, i make fanart mostly so i value discussion. idk i like sharing stuff and the idea of seeing the stuff i do get lost in the void is very, very depressing, i don't want to be alone in my art journey. i want to write a webcomic but i've stopped myself from even starting with the script because i want to make sure at least a classroom worth of people are out there checking out my work.
maybe i'm extremely fucking unlucky because i see that even the people posted in cow threads get more engagement by posting shitty poorly written smut and navel-gazing "philosophy". i tag the shit out of my posts and try to add cheeky descriptions, but perhaps i'm missing something?
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>>2556804I agree that it's retarded but I also don't really care, this weird fixation on style and inspiration has been going on for decades now. I am inspired by a huge number of sources and media and I'm not being greatly inspired by any particular singular artist more than others. I consciously avoid trends and treat my media consumption like one would at a video store, browse > find something a bit interesting > watch/read/play > even if it's a bit shit get something out of it. I don't mean to sound snobbish but generally worries about copying (whether you're copying or someone is copying you) come from having a small or shallow media library and I find socmed and things like Pinterest (everyone in a niche are seeing the exact same things) really compounds that issue. I'm not saying I'm the most creative person in world because of this, or even particularly creative in any way, but I cannot stress how good finding your own sources is for you, artistically and generally.
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>>2556773>>2556879>>2556889thanks nonnies!
yeah i love godzilla No. 2556963
>>2556941It sucks but if you want the discussion you often have to start it yourself. You need to get into the groove of just blogging into the void to try and get people to interact with you and eventually just send DMs to people you'd like to talk to to start the conversations and see if they're interested in talking about fandom stuff or artwork. It also helps to just imagine what it would be like to be asked about your artistic process for a piece and then put your response under as the description, even if it's short it can invite discussion. The person who's online persona is a confident Stacy is the one who gets to chat with friends.
I've also had a little bit more luck with Newgrounds. While the site is much smaller people are much more focused on interacting with each other and doing collabs and that can be an avenue for meeting people, but again, you usually have to be outgoing and shoot the first DM.
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does anyone have any guides/suggestions about spotting blacks (figuring out where to put the large areas of black ink) for a western-style comic? i feel like i'm pretty good when it comes to drawing strong contours, but i'm totally lost when i try to go beyond that and fill stuff in.
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I never had an online art presence before, one day I want to start to share my art publicly on social media and gain traction but seeing how big digital artists get retarded callouts and cancellations over nothing, is it really worth it? I also get easily addicted to any positive online attention and I'm scared that popularity will ruin my mental health and self-awareness
No. 2557722
>>2557616would you be more specific? in any case, no, there's no wrong way to do art
unless you draw lolishit. why do you need people on lolcow to tell you that?
No. 2557736
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>>2557616Remember your roots of what got you started…. Everyone talks about fundamentals of art… but nobody talks about the foundations of why you began.
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>>2557722>why do you need people on lolcow to tell you that?Nona there was not a single question mark there. Please stop projecting your insanity. I was referring to things such as worrying about style or something shallow like attracting only a certain audience, where I just wanna know how some artists are able to have a consistent gallery that lacks significant anatomic or compositional issues. I only seem to notice problems later on and want to DFE, yet nobody ever mentions having that issue. I just made a statement.
You don't have to tell me how to feel nona. It's
okay.
>>2557736>but nobody talks about the foundations of why you began.A good point.
No. 2558672
>>2558634>there was not a single question mark thereNo one knows how to read it's amazing
>how some artists are able to have a consistent gallery that lacks significant anatomic or compositional issuesI know you're not asking for advice but I just want to throw out, I think it's best to take a long break after drafting the image, or even wait a long while at the half way point of a drawing so you can look at it with fresh eyes. If you even feel like it and your work is digital and thus easier to manipulate, why not just take all these images in your gallery and rework them slightly (in the case of bad anatomy, I feel like compositional issues are generally harder to fix especially in busier drawings) well after the fact.
No. 2558917
>>2558908Honestly, this is why I don't mind kids of today loving y2k stuff.
I'd only ask if they'd do their research or at least not shove gendie shit everywhere? I remembered playing a game where one third of the cast were some kind of gendie special despite that only ever existing in super niche circles or just didn't exist?
No. 2559118
>>2559030nta I think sometimes it gets a bit tired when people try to
claim that a piece of work (like a ARG) was based on the era, but after doing little to no browsing of things made during that time, it has inconsistencies (gendie shit, references to real world events that didn't occur yet, characters have opinions that counter the political climate at the time) and it
does break the immersion. But this is only for projects that are narrative in nature. Think Welcome Home or whatever. If they just think the artstyle is cool and want to copy it, I doubt anyone cares.
No. 2559458
>>2559420well i think two were actual popular artists, at least one of them had a lot of followers on twitter. the rest were just artfight popular, meaning they got a lot of attacks but weren’t really popular on social media. this one artist i attacked isn’t even all that, their style and art is meh and the only reason why i attacked them was because i just bookmarked any interesting character in my subscription tab (we follow each other). the audacity of this mediocre artist not even revenging me back, oh the horror kek.
anyway i was so naive, i don’t even use the bookmark feature anymore because there’s no point. im sick of pouring my heart and soul into an attack only to not get revenged and watch this same person continue to attack other people. yeah i know that no one is obliged to attack you back in artfight but wow, not getting a single revenge from like the 5-10 attacks i did from the bookmarks that i bothered collecting and planning really opened my eyes
No. 2559651
>>2559578I'd recommend it for any
nonny that just wants to practice or do warmups because I did get some nice thank you messages
No. 2559806
>>2559293This is the way… and I feel that if you state on your profile that you're prioritizing revenge, people may feel more inclined to attack you.
Though I will say that I've been on the other end where I receive more art than I can keep up with and I feel so bad about it (I attack as much as I can… I usually manage something around 20 attacks per year), but I always always always try to write big long comments to everyone so they know they're appreciated. It sucks when you spend time on an attack and the receiver doesn't even respond.
I will admit I do turn my nose up a little at popular artists who hype up their art fight profiles and only ever draw like 2 pictures while they receive a billion kek
>>2559468The best! I utilized the bookmark folder feature this year to slowly collect "baby artists" to attack.
No. 2559807
>>2559801imo, no, maybe you'll even make a habit of consistently practicing beyond your interest for him
> I hate myself for being this way…why? you're not doing anything bad
No. 2560004
Absolutely tired from dealing with tranny artists. Figured I'd give it one more shot (retard that I am), thinking maybe, just maybe, there's a diamond in the rough, someone on the edge of peaking. Instead, found myself in an absolute cesspit where I was the only cishet bitch in there. None of them can fucking draw (big surprise) despite being a mix of TIMs and TIFs. I'm not even that good and I was the best one in the server. Bleak. Fucking bleak. Fujoshit server too, so I was HOPING someone sane was in it, but that fujo to gendie pipeline is so dangerously real that I am considering those that didn't fall down that path to be in the minority. A dying breed. Day 1 just drenched in gendie bullshit, cis insults, het allergies.
Like, damn, I get it, they hate cis. But living rent free in a fucking artist's brain like that is unhealthy, sad, and pathetic. I can't wait until these brainless shitwads move on to the next hyperfixation and I finally find my people.
No. 2560398
>>2560270> edgy edits people do with Grok on twitter where they add like shit to your drawing.Block grok now if you haven’t already so the bot won’t be able to reply and generate. Everyone should block grok honestly, even non artists.
>>2557262Also nonas, don’t worry about callouts or ai training. Chances are, you’ll never be as big and famous enough for that to happen, sorry if this is a backhanded statement but even famous artists don’t really have ai trained on their work, it’s just the people with unique and recognizable styles I guess. And if you’ve been following the threads recently, there’s been discussion on how even “big” callouts ultimately do nothing since people are quick to forget and move on. For example, that pedo moid guy discussed in last thread where nonas were trying to figure out his gender and it turns out he already had a google doc on him, but he’s been posting on two new accounts just fine now.
And look at the juby and genice drama, after that disastrous callout doc juby released, the two have already quieted down and have been posting art normally now. Some people might think of them differently, but ultimately no one is spawn camping their replies calling them a weirdo or anything like that. And the two have been extremely famous in the digital art community for years.
Even famous artists in the industry like Rebecca sugar and omocat have had so much dirt on them from the past years but they’re still posting normally, sure there are some discussions about their negative past deeds that come up but it doesn’t really cancel them, I’ve seen tweets about that new steven universe show spinoff and nothing about Rebecca’s “omg but do u remember when she drew ed edd n eddy porn????” on my timeline, most people already know and there’s nothing left to discuss
No. 2560407
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>>2560403Twitter became such a terrible social media for artists over the years and it's getting worse. Can't have shit in art community
No. 2560461
>>2560421on twitter, i simply just mute (or block if you prefer) any accounts that only tweet about politics and those famous meme pages with blue checkmarks. basically, just keep using the mute/block feature liberally to curate your timeline. mine has been better after muting accounts that post content i don’t want to see. when i first started doing this, i was muting accounts left and right but these days i don’t have to mute as much since i got most of the annoying spammy accounts.
be sure to make use of your muted words and phrases feature too. also i did this to mainly clean up my “for you” tab, if you go to your following tab which is chronological then your feed shouldn’t be messy at all, it really depends on what the people you follow tweet and share.
i only browse the for you tab because it shows viral art posts that i would’ve missed if i only browsed my following tab, because these damn people only like tweets and never rt them. the for you tab will often show posts that other people you follow like, it’s helpful since likes were made private so you can’t browse someone’s likes to discover more art
No. 2560512
>>2560421Twitter and Tumblr are liveable if you have a shitton of browser add-ons and filters actually. I cannot understand a WORD on my Followijg tab on Twitter kek. It's all moon runes and pretty pictures. And since I follow mostly women
fujos they like it when I throw a comment or two on their art, since everyone following them is too shy. But still eggshells from autistic moids are afoot; if you draw ship art, you get threats.
Tumblr is okay if you are in the right fandoms. But that usually is only doable if you're experienced with the places they frequent.
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Is Plastiboo a man or woman?
No. 2560605
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This fake lesbian coomer’s denial and terrible art is so annoying. Funny she has 538k followers but not a single artist I know of/follow acknowledges her anymore. Some used to follow her in her early twitter years before she blew up(very mediocre art, just less coom), but gradually unfollowed/broke mutuals as she dove further into drama and coomslop. Ironically she used to be obsessed with her ugly scalie yaoi ocs kek, but pivoting to coombait “yuri” gave her more attention.
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New scam alert. Be careful, nonnies.
No. 2561132
>>2561022this sounds like any other instagram art scam that used to comment on any small artists page but it sounds even more retarded
>We'd love to gift you a few of our exclusive pieces for freewhat?
No. 2561393
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all platforms seem so ass tbh i dont even know where to post, twitter seems impossible without fotm meme shit or genshin kek , tumblr seems hard to get by unless you reblog and interact with a lot of stuff, bluesky has all the paraphiliacs that got ran off of twitter and deviantart is just bad, i know im just being whiny but idk everything seems so ass right now
ignoring my complaints, what would you nonnas say is best? does it depend mostly on what type of art you post?
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>>2561397wtf didnt they say they'd stop posting there because they didnt understand the ai stuff or something?? are artists just rotating platorms now?
No. 2561452
>>2561397Instagram has a normie userbase which means if I draw OC aesthetic sort of contents I get a lot of reach but crickets otherwise. I do like the (not completely ofc) lack of insanity compared to art Twitter at least.
My only complaint is that it can crunch quality really bad if you're using the lite version for whatever fucking reason so all my pics look like potatoes kek
>>2561405Are people still rabid fandom tards on Tumblr? I thought about trying to join again but I'm worried about drawing fanart of things and then getting some weirdo harassing me for not drawing their OTP the right way.
Used to get weirdos spamming gore in my ask and reblogs for it not fun No. 2561495
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>>2561482Doublepost sorry but what the fuck am i looking at here? how do you draw a body this broken looking? and this guy literally draws everyday and still has such atrociously bad anatomy skills and eyerape rendering… its almost impressively shitty.
No. 2561543
>>2561393Twitter is still the best, you can get a decent following there you just need to find your niche or a consistent topic or whatever thing to draw about.
>Make your account about girls and bugs>Then draw and post a girl holding a centipede, then draw and post a girl holding a moth, then draw and post a bug-girl-hybrid, then draw and post a butterfly>Big artists retweet you>Grow followingIt's that easy.
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>>2561495This nigga follows nick fuentes in his twitter kek
No. 2561945
>>2560810Self-depricating compliments help no one. If you do this, stop.
>>2560860uBlock, some XKit fix, definitely uBlock's element hider. The new Xkit has some neat features in it. (sorry I'm not more specific; on mobile atm)
>>2561562Lacks the natural bunching of skin. I think the nonas are blowing it way out of proportion. It's off but it isn't as bad as some other things posted in the bad art thread. Coom art plus probably vendetta posting or something.
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>>2562105Like I said. Lacks the natural bunching of skin. It's possible, raise the leg a bit. There's no fucking way my cripple ass is more flexible than every other nona itt. If you can redline it better, PLEASE do. I am dead serious when I said, and I quote,
>It's off but it isn't as bad as some other things posted in the bad art thread. No. 2562161
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>>2562140samefag TIL I learned that my flexibility is not normal.
No. 2562240
>>2561507I would kill for skills like that so I finally draw
bishes in lingerie for the rest of my life…
No. 2562352
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Is there a place to talk 3D art? I want to talk 3D portfolios and education, etc, but places like /3/ are full of slop and I get nervous on non-anon sites, the industry & hobby is also littered with moids. Closest I remember is /m/'s gamedev thread but it wasn't quite about sharing/discussing 3D work from what I remember, and this thread is very much focused on 2D
No. 2562678
>>2562140I was the one who posted it and yeah its not an impossible pose just drawn in a really weird-looking way that makes her torso and hips look disconnected/snapped. The version you did looks a lot better, i think the folding on the midtorso area helps sell it better. Although if i drew this i'd probably have the lower leg more bent under the body? I posted this guy because ive seen him streaming on picarto almost daily for years and yet his anatomy skills still looks like..
that. he's even a coomer who has thousands of naked women pictures saved but still cant draw a pose like that naturally? its just crazy to me. Why do coom artists always have below-average anatomy skills despite constantly drawing naked people?
No. 2562701
>>2562378I just drew the eyes to look similar to the original. I usually draw beefy roided up moids (like in the personal creations thread). No amputees here, sorry kek
>>2562678>Why do coom artists always have below-average anatomy skills despite constantly drawing naked people?The thing I don't understand is their intentional omissions of things that women naturally have. Maybe they're looking at photoshopped images as a reference? I think I've come across this guy on picarto myself and brushed him off. It's a shame, but that site is primarily for coomer streams.
No. 2562714
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does anybody remember bronzecatworld? i used to think his art was amazing and really charming back in the old tumblr days. but now when i look back on it he honestly had insanely creepy groomer pedo energy
No. 2563166
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I get kind of jealous of artists who have good aesthetic sense for graphic design. I have no idea how and why people know to choose all the cool effects and borders, placement, color palettes, etc. Like yeah I know how to draw pretty well but I'd probably write my character bios in comic sans if it wasn't the most widely memed bad font I'm legit fucking clueless no exaggeration. I really want to do some cool looking arts and crafts stationary drawings (collages?) but I swear to god the artist sensibilities I have do not translate over at all
No. 2563235
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>>2562714Tosh is actually the reason i found out about Lolcow lol, he was always obsessed with innocence and the art little kids posted online and constantly orbited and interacted with them, theres no way he wasn't raped as a kid or something.
Why is it that it is always the artists obsessed with accuracy and with painterly styles that are always the most degenerate crazy motherfuckers ever? He was great at what he did despite everything, but he is a faggot and should never come back online.
No. 2563328
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What are some artists with very realistic rendering that still maintain a fairly simple anime style? i know its a hated style here but moeface paired with very detailed clothes and rendering is my end goal.
No. 2563339
>>2563235I remember on deviantart he would always be interacting with really young kids, like younger than 10 years old, sometimes doing trade or collabs with them. Pretty damn creepy in hindsight
>Why is it that it is always the artists obsessed with accuracy and with painterly styles that are always the most degenerate crazy motherfuckers ever? strangely true
No. 2563357
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has anyone else seen these obvious pedobait shorts on youtube made by a korean moid? the animations will have the most obnoxious bouncy coomer style with the female characters in short revealing dresses, and in suggestive poses. most of the comments will act like it’s the most wholesome thing despite the fact that it’s so painfully obvious it was drawn in a sexual light. there are some “cute and funny [crying emoji]” comments so it’s not like everyone is completely oblivious. it’s grim that these get millions of views though, there’s no doubt a bunch of children that see these and i wouldn’t be surprised if some grew up to be the next generation of pedo lolicons. kill all moids tbh
No. 2563380
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>>2563328Lately, I've been enjoying how danmei/Chinese BL-adjacent artists + fandom have handle it since it tends to have a more feminine and less blown-out touch compared to the Japanese styles (as I noticed it's more prevalent with ecchi artists like the illustrator you posted), though your mileage may vary. Picrel is one of many examples I could give.
I have no one particular artist to recommend, since I tend to study moreso within the genre I want to emulate than an individual for too long. I honestly think it's a great style with good potential; it's just that most of the examples we see have been pandering to scrotes who are prone to symbol drawing, and it takes that form accordingly.
(fujosperging outside containment) No. 2563418
>>2563392The pic I posted was an example of what I've been studying that has kind of the "moeish face and realistic bodies" look to it, at least to me. I like the style, too, but wanted some better sources/examples to study.
OP's pic is by oh!Great, who I wanted to contrast my example against.
No. 2563479
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>>2563428What exactly do you mean? The other picture is just ink and copic, which is also standard animanga style. A lot of "realism" comes from structure and placement of your chosen medium.
Anyway, Akihiko Yoshida might be more along your lines. He has a wide range that often dips into the moe-face, deeply rendered details everywhere else that could lend itself to realism. YMMV though.
No. 2563537
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>>2563380Thats a cute pic but i meant something more like picrel
No. 2563580
>>2563534But that's just the gallery art niche, no?
>>2563559Same, i would love a 3D thread.
No. 2563614
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>>2563534I wonder why they choose to pay for ugly shit instead of something that actually looks good and has skill put into it? Norman Rockwell originals are often cheaper than modern art diahrea. Why the fuck would you pay 140 million dollars for this hideous shit absolutely no one gives a shit about? i legit dont get it.
No. 2563696
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When you draw a character on the background, do you start to draw the character or background first?
No. 2563824
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread but does anyone know who drew this image? It’s done its rounds on the internet as an “aesthetic” image but I really like the painting style (I assume it’s digital) and would love to see the brush strokes up close. If anyone has a higher res image of it (I can only find low res reposts) that would also be greatly appreciated. I’m struggling to create texture in digital paintings and trying to create a better reference library of artists who do it well imo, I dislike the really shiny smooth rendering everyone praises now.
No. 2563881
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>>2563696It depends. If it's a standalone drawing, I'll start with the character like 60% of the time. If I'm doing something like a comic panel where I'm more concerned with some element of the environment being visible or the focus, then I'll start with that. I'm often doing both though. I'm not very good at visualizing complicated pictures in my head, so I'm often figuring out the composition as a whole at the beginning sketch stages. After the more foundational work is done, I usually go background -> characters since rendering characters is always the easier and more fun part for me and I'm liable to not finish the picture if I don't tackle the background first.
>>2563824It's definitely not the same artist, but the texture in this image reminds me a lot of Tadahiro Uesugi's works if that's helpful to you. fwiw, I feel like the small resolution size + a mild amount of jpeg compression is an important ingredient in this aesthetic that I think is overlooked (at least if we're strictly talking about the textures). Picrel is about the size of most of Uesugi's works on his own website and I do believe it's on purpose.
No. 2563937
>>2563479>A lot of "realism" comes from structure and placement of your chosen mediumYes exactly which is why I don't understand why you say the other pic is "just ink and copic" when the medium isn't want makes the picture you posted "basic". I was referring to the level of rendering like was the topic of discussion. I didn't say that because the image was digital?
The copic drawing has more realistic clothing folds and texture. Both drawings have different outfits but I've seen hanfu and something about the way it's flowing and folding in this doesn't look right. Their clothes also don't seem wildly more rendered then their faces, it matches in the aspect. The contrast between clothing and face are minimal.
I would consider this image of the girl you posted a better example.It has proper contrast in level of rendering, a face that simple is what the hanfu image would need to fit properly imo haha
Sorry, not being confrontational, this is just what I sperg over hahaha
No. 2564283
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Was going to surprise an art discord user I know with fanart of their OC but they started whinging about how "my sketchy art gets less attention I want attention on this" with a bunch of broken heart emoji.
People were complimenting the old art they'd just posted (a few weeks old and easier to see than the other muddy, hard to read image they'd just put up). I decided not to fan art them it was so annoying.
No. 2564385
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>>2561495Is this fucking coco bandicoot???
No. 2564632
>>2564613i think that anon is referring to things that are meant to be based on y2k as time period not just the aesthetics, but unless im seeing something made by someone of a certain age who lived during the 2000's i wouldnt expect accuracy unless it was promoted that way
Also "history lesson" is a bit much for mentioning that not everyone was a flavor of genderspecial a couple decades ago kek
No. 2564653
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>>2564613>>2564598What's with the pushback against doing bare minimum research? Are you insecure about your laziness? Is it not common sense to actually look into a period you're trying to emulate in your work? I can't wrap my head around the idea that consuming media and magazines and looking at archived blogs or asking millennials about the good old days is a bad thing. You can do none of those things but don't have such a weird Tumblrinaish whinge when anons point out that doing that research is helpful kek.
>Just try searching up any term Learn2search, there are relevant videos from 2007 on YT and there's older ones archived out there somewhere. The consequences of never internet surfing seem horrific!
Also don't give me
>Eugh, but that's too much work to make art I just want to draw for fun! Doing non-art work for your art is stupid!Consuming media quite literally helps your creativity (or kills it if you consume slop), and if you're not impassioned to do research then why are you even trying to make something in an era beyond a vapid "it looks pretty!!"? Just make it completely anachronistic at that point.
No. 2564745
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the way ameriya7 draws faces is so goddamn ugly kek. it’s instantly recognizable and she’s still drawing faces this way after years…why are the noses so short and the philtrum so elongated? it’s such a retarded and ugly look. like downie/fas tier. it even shows up in her anime drawings too kek. her rendering in her art can be great but she has to ruin it all with that signature fugly face of hers
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>>2564749the nose would still not be that short in that angle, it’s just a recurring problem for her. she refuses to draw longer and natural looking noses and also makes the eyes too wideset and sometimes chin too long too, making this hideous frog face thing
No. 2564755
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>>2564752like look at this monstrosity kekk, her signature uggo look still showing up in anime uwuu faces is killing me
No. 2564772
>>2564755Nona I am stupid, please spoonfeed and redline the issue here. I am dumb dumb idiot dumbo retard and cannot see anything exceptionally
problematic at first glance.
No. 2564786
>>2564752>>2564755>>2564745I don't think her art is
terrible by any means but all her characters do look like they've had botched rhinoplasties kek
No. 2564796
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>>2564755>look at this monstrosityyeah I guess you could say homogenized 2020s anime style looks monstrous but that's not any means terrible
No. 2564797
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>>2564772Here’s my take on some simple fixes, old vs new
First one I just lowered the nose and mouth a bit
Second one I moved the left eye closer and lowered the mouth and nose too
No. 2564801
>>2564779>>2564796Nonnies if you can’t see anything wrong with that weird anime face, you aren’t yet skilled enough to recognize its errors. Study more facial anatomy tbh
>>2564797Already a massive improvement, especially the second drawing. Really makes the original one look so grotesque in comparison kek
No. 2564813
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>>2564598I mean, it's a given that media isn't real life, but they weren't there so its the best they can do. Media is a microcosm of society and there's thousands of freely available shows and movies from the time that one could watch to get ideas on the way people dressed, talked, acted, what was and wasn't a thing, etc. Looking something up is hardly research and its not a 5hr deep dive on some inconsequential
-core that nobody has heard of, so what is the issue?
Scripted shows, reality shows, video games, there's an entire archive of GeoCities HPs and gifs for that "old web" feel, hell there's even Wikipedia and yes there's more than 8 videos on YouTube. Its almost offensive how (and I'm struggling to give you the benefit of the doubt and not say "you") resistant younger people are to doing more than flipping through quick shot videos and looking at the Pinterest boards of other zoomers who also don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
Its barely research, just enjoy some media and if you don't know where to find it, ask someone, and if you can't do that, pull up Wikipedia and search for media in the desired date range and go crazy. I realize I'm being a bit harsh here but this is the laziest oft repeated take I see about inaccuracy on a span of time that's barely even gone. I'm in my late 30s and lived through this time, I still watch the shows, listen to the media, my PlayStation still works and so do the games. Its not ancient fucking history (and BTW one can find that too)
No. 2564877
>>2564801>you aren’t yet skilled enough to recognize its errors. Study more facial anatomy tbhOr like, idk, we are numb to moe nonsense by this point. A drop in the sea of "Seen This Before". The other nona
>>2564797 provided fixes which says more than you did by just insulting other artists ITT without actually contributing to explaing why it looked bad. Yes, her fixes are improvements. But as it has been said before, the original picture(s) isn't as much of a trainwreck as the OP was trying to insist that it is. It's not uncommon for people to shit in the thread and sperg about how something is a pixel off from their ideal version while simultaneously being nodraws.
Not gonna disagree with studying more though. It's very good to always study more. One retard in another thread was talking about how someone's nipple was "crooked" when the person lifted their arm a few days ago kek. Nonas on LC are already fried in the brain.
No. 2564911
>>2564893nta One thing I find weird is how many people are
into the aesthetic to begin with. They also go as far as to called it y2k (not even -inspired), as if its place in time is
part of the aesthetic. It's one of the few times where I've actively witnessed people retconning the thing they're basing their fixation on. At this point, why didn't they call it something else? Research for them is just looking at more things they like anyway. (HypnoSpace Outlaw was a beautiful callback to that era, and the non-modded version of the game felt like a slice clean out of my childhood)
Taking a second to play devil's advocate, maybe they do think that gendy stuff has always been around. Maybe their sources are tainted but they are under the impression that it isn't.
>Why would someone lie on the internet? No. 2564918
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>>2564911>It's one of the few times where I've actively witnessed people retconning the thing they're basing their fixation on. At this point, why didn't they call it something else?There's a futuristic aesthetic, inspired by y2k, which has existed for years. It's called Cyber y2k and/or Kaybug. I don't know why these morons can't just consoom that. They can have their gaudy not-quite-right fashion
and space age gender woowoo shit without trying to rewrite history.
No. 2564951
>>2564877>Or like, idk, we are numb to moe nonsense by this point. A drop in the sea of "Seen This Before". This. I'd also like to add the bar is really low for illustrations used for gacha or trading card games tied into popular franchises in Japan. So this doesn't look
that bad compared to other slop I've seen.
No. 2564961
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>>2564950Why skirts and dresses? just draw ouji fashion
No. 2565053
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>>2565049Fair. The reason I mention the thread is because it's a very clean and cut sample of what some women hardcore thirst for! We had a bunny suit manga board this past easter. If you ever want ideas of what to draw to draw a woman audience in, I think that's your ticket.
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Kinda proud of Ripusko. I know that she's basically the female equivalent of your average coomer slop artist, but she's improved in her art quality significantly since I first started following her god knows when, and despite drawing purely femboys, she hasn't once drawn anything I'd consider pandering to gendies. I hope I'm not wrong (and just overlooked any instances she did), but it gives me hope that there are some people absolutely deep in the trenches but still do not yield.
No. 2565468
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Mossa confessed to drawing loli guro on his main account. No one cared. He's still seething over that other artist making fun of him. Friendly reminder that to this day Omocat is harassed over cringe tweets and a single tshirt.
No. 2565497
>>2565479>She made him look kinda uggo and instead of looking down he just looks like he has a michael jackson nose now.He didnt look much better on the left kek he looked like some kpop idol
Although i do think the small noses thing is fully intentional and just a preference
No. 2565543
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>>2564797All anime characters are starting to look like deformed babies to me
No. 2565547
>>2565522nta I like discussions about why someone feels they need to react to something a specific way. I've been called out for my own salt countless times and the critique of my spergouts kinda makes me see things from a different angle kek
Despite how retarded we get ITT, I kinda love it.
No. 2565550
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>>2565544Wide eyed girls are cute.
No. 2565563
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>>2565499I just dont like the style, objectively its not bad/awful but the proportions arent to my liking, that also doesnt mean i like ugly moids kek, it doesnt really look like anime and its going more towards manhwa imo, also if you compare it to other drawings on this,
>>2564752 it looks like she has a problem with that angle kek.
You seem a bit sensitive over this, i didn't mean any offense by expressing that one drawing looks ugly to me
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>>2565544Look at the difference. The head suffers a simple problem, the space between the eyes is too big. It's acceptable in exaggerated styles where anatomy is simplified and deformed to a point where everything looks in place, but a character that has a normal body and a regular anime face? If you don't know what is wrong you simply don't know anatomy.
>>2565562Holy shit, you guys only know how to say that. What does my work have to do with that? I'm saying, with proof, that most of you don't know facial anatomy.
No. 2565573
>>2565569What do you mean? I didnt even post her, im just giving my opinion
not all posts are made by the same person
No. 2565590
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>>2565544>Go learn anatomy and proportion please>AnimeNona…
No. 2565619
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>>2565570>don't know facial anatomy.nta I'm going to be as nonbiased and cordial as possible. samefag as
>>2564772 But let me go ahead and break down the problem with your approach. You have a good point when it comes to measurements being either off or simply more appealing in some other areas. But this has little to do with human anatomy. This is moreso stylization. Stylization is difficult to critique because it is subjective. Throwing meaningless empty insults at random and lashing out is a signature thing to do on LC. However, if you want to tell nonas to improve upon anything in a constructive manner, it'd be better to mention things like picrel. That way it won't look like you are insane and throwing hands at people who don't see what you're able to see in a subjective artstyle. Anime is isn't heavily reliant on anatomy when it comes to the face.
No. 2565708
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I'm so sick of everyone drawing big pouty shiny filler lips. Especially when they have a gap and show a stupid little tooth. So much art looks like they have fillers now and it feels so gross and fetishy even though I know people are just copying the plastic faces they see on Instagram.
No. 2565711
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>>2565708Nona whatever do you mean?
No. 2565718
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>>2565711Looks like amanda lepore's lips
No. 2565752
>>2565570based nona, you conveyed it perfectly
there’s something about her artstyle that really irritates me, it’s uniquely ugly and the fact that she chooses to draw that way is truly something. even the old tumblr style thomas jefferson binder art is less offensive to me than this, probably because her rendering and most anatomy skills are good except the face. if you’re that good already, why do you fuck up the face like that, smh
No. 2565766
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>>2565752>why do you fuck up the face like that, smhnta, but I feel like it has to be on purpose and she just has shit taste. Reminds me of Chris Sander's style. He does the eye thing to most of his characters and I do think it looks cute for Lilo and the aliens, but I hate it on the adult women. I get that wider spaced eyes are supposed to evoke prey eyes or whatever, but it just makes the character look retarded to me when pushed this far
No. 2565801
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"everything on this profile is yuri" and scrolling her account and it's 99% piv and futashit why are yuri artists like this
No. 2565804
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>>2565801more of her art her oc it's a bearded "lesbian amab" with cone tits (the red hair one) it's shame cus her art in her ig account isn't bad at all
No. 2565809
>>2565766oh for sure, that artist just has shit taste kek. her self portrait in that collage looked really ugly too, im thinking maybe she draws that way because she also looks like that irl since some artists have a habit of drawing their characters similar to their own face, like tamakid.
i generally agree with the lilo and stitch artist, the adults (especially men) look a bit uggo but its not too offensive to me and is tolerable
No. 2565810
>>2565801>>2565804so, just another straight woman who pretends to be gay or trans huh
really can’t stand those fucking tifs that are like “ughh im so gay” and you check their profile and it’s a he/him with the most obvious female interests kek
No. 2565828
>>2565801Y'know how there are adages like Murphy's law? "If there are two or more ways to do something and one of those results in a catastrophe, then someone will do it that way." AKA "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."
There needs to be a "fakebian's law" where "If someone insists on their profile that what they post is related to lesbians in any form, none of it will be related to lesbians whatsoever."
>>2565711Every time I see these types of lips I am reminded of a baboon.
No. 2565957
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>>2564755And this is why we flip.
No. 2566108
>my art was finally receiving attention, gaining thousands of likes
>take a break for like a week or so
>newest post only got 80 likes
Well it’s definitely an improvement from the 20~30 likes average I used to get, but it’s still a bit soul crushing to not perform well. Yes I know that even 70 people is a lot, especially if you imagine them all in a room together, but since I know how much attention my art is capable of getting and the fact that you can definitely get more likes on social media, that cope doesn’t really work for me anymore.
It would work if my art never goes viral and I stayed a humble small artist forever, but honestly nonas attention, love, and comments have always been my favorite thing when making art, ever since I was young and just starting out on the internet, back to my deviantart days.
Really wish my art would reach a lot of people, I’m so jealous of those artists who have an active fanbase and get tons of likes and attention on all of their art. It’s all I ever wanted and no amount of “you shouldn’t care about likes, they don’t prove your self worth!!” will change my mind..and its annoying when that crap comes from big artists that get thousands of likes on their art.
Basically I would try to gain this mindset but I’ve had my art perform very well before, so im always chasing that high. I guess overall, at least my average likes are slowly increasing so all I can do is just keep working
No. 2566177
>>2565801Some straight women are insufferable. Wish it wasn't trendy to feign lesbianism or an interest in such.
You don't have to be a lesbian just stop drawing dick and calling it that.
No. 2566280
>>2566111nta I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if the number of people ITT that
enjoy doing research is in the minority. Obviously this exchange started with pointing out how others don't do it versus "let people have fun" mentality. But it felt for a second there that a nona took it as a personal attack.
No. 2566304
>>2566280NTA, The main issue with the research debate is that "research" here doesn't mean deep diving through archaic texts, it means looking up a few shows, even magazine scans from an "era" that was what, 25 years ago? Its retarded to refuse to do that, especially when someone is insisting on claiming to reference that time in their work.
There's no way around it. I'm not sure why this is confusing, it's nothing to do with personal offense.
No. 2566369
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I’m not sure any other anons have had this artist all over their recommended page but I find this so funny. She’s clearly skilled enough at painting but can only draw faces from 3 very similar basic angles and has apparently never drawn a side profile, and then posts her “superior construction process” and it’s this lol. If she has a good understanding of the underlying construction and shapes of the head and face, it’s not translated into her art. Side note but I find it funny that everyone online, particularly younger artists, will do anything to avoid learning basic anatomy construction and constantly try to find shortcuts to skill. There’s a reason why loomis, morpho etc is so popular— it’s a genuinely good way to develop an understanding of how the 3D head translates to 2D space in various angles.
No. 2566384
>>2566369Loomis is good as a starting point. When it becomes an obsession to adhere to the way he drew things as if it is The Only Acceptable Method, it becomes full-on retarded. Wish we could strike a balance between Loomis retardation and apprehension to learning effective yet slow methods.
That sweet spot of practicing thinking while drawing is a dying art.
No. 2566759
>>2566376Yes I’d love more actual artist friends, my current online friends are either normies or artists who I’m not that close with. I was asked to join an art discord but it’s dried up after years. I’m jealous of those people who have art besties where they can gush about art all the time. DND seems like a good indicator for that, I can’t think of anyone who I could form a group with.
How do these people meet anyway? I guess there’s a lot of ways. I have art mutuals but can’t really say that im close to any of them or interact much with each other, even the ones where i have interacted a bit with have people who they’re infinitely closer with.
>>2566393Yeah sorry nona, I’m a perma loser and have no real life friends, all my friends are online. Art is pretty much the only thing I have in life aside from consooming media such as video games, books, manga, comics and movies/shows. At least I found passion in art and I genuinely love receiving compliments on it and want it to reach many people, I’ve seen “normie” folks who just work, go out, do everything right in life but they talk about how they have no real passion for anything which makes their life feel empty. But don’t get me wrong, my life is pathetic because I’m a shut-in loser so that’s why getting attention on social media is one of the best joys I could get
No. 2566867
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>>2564646same
nonny, realizing i couldn't really do much with my art due to my skill level was disappointing but i try to have fun
>>2566759i wish i had art friends like i used to, talking about our ocs, their lore, the shows we liked, and roleplaying but without being on fandoms its hard and i tried for a while but gave up and left social media kek
sometimes i wonder if fandom people got more retarded now or if i used to be cringy too and just outgrew it
No. 2566982
>>2566867Fandoms are getting more retarded because kids these days are genuinely dumber than the kids from years ago. Take how many kids are computer illiterate these days for example. They say that boomers and young gen z/gen alpha have the same tech literacy level now, phone culture killed a good amount of computer usage. They also have trouble reading and writing. It’s looking grim for the future tbh.
A lot of newfags became fandom people during the pandemic too, so it’s their first time being exposed to fandom culture which is why you see these newfags throwing hissy fits at things that were always considered normal in fandom spaces, calling it “weird”
No. 2566996
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>>2566982>A lot of newfags became fandom people during the pandemic too, so it’s their first time being exposed to fandom culture which is why you see these newfags throwing hissy fits at things that were always considered normal in fandom spaces, calling it “weird”ayrt and its probably that, considering i actively ignored anyone -18, maybe im wrong but i also feel like those people really base their whole opinions on people younger than them which is really weird because you dont need some moral hivemind to enjoy anything, its like they dont have much interest in anything or like every single thing very superficially but dont really want to talk about it ime
either that or most of the things i like are liked by really insane gendies, like get in a friend group and call them all out in a couple of months insane kekkk
No. 2567110
>>2566982>>2566996The younger users flood the spaces with their own thoughts. Since they're terminally online, a novice who doesn't know how to navigate web discussions + new to any fandom would only read the first thing they get, or won't bother deducting certain lines of thought (i.e. "this person sounds 12 and might be 12")
A lot of them don't even consume the source material and treat fan creators as if they're the canon-shapers.
No. 2567275
>>2567257She didn't even mention him by name in that drawing. He just knows himself, and he doesn't like it.
I hope someone facedoxes him. He deserves to be drawn getting gang-raped and murdered.
No. 2567300
>>2567298Maybe but he'll disguise it with manic "HAHA YOU'RE SO
TRIGGERED" copium
No. 2567304
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>>2567298Samefag. Nvm, I found it
No. 2567310
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>>2567306Forgot to mention, didn't he put his real location or address on his fanbox or PO box on his birthday?
No. 2567379
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>>2567362>Only A person with UGLY LOOKS and UGLY MIND can crete A TURELY BEAUTIFULE MASTERPEICELmao
No. 2567450
>>2567441Well, let's ask ourselves this question.
Why would it be wrong? Who's deciding this? What rules are in place? As adults, we have our own agency. If it's not fun, then what's the point?
No. 2567472
>>2567450I don't think OP was seriously asking if making FOTM for clout was
morally wrong. I think it's kinda cheap, especially when it's apparent the artist doesn't really give a shit about the character and/or ship in question. I've had enough manga I like get their fandoms and tags shat up by getting popularized via anime adaptations to accept that's just an easy and reliable way to get popular. It sucks, but I've made my peace with it. Still kinda hate coomer clout chasers, since they're way more likely to to completely ignore characterization and still get a bunch of engagement despite it. It's amazing how moids reliably like what's essentially the same big booby coom pic with the hair color/accessories swapped out to match the latest gotm.
No. 2567503
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>>2567491It's on his fambox, it was there for a long time before this thread
>>2567482Not just as a twink but as a sexy woman too
No. 2567510
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>>2567379>Turely beautifuleDoes it take an ugly mind to spell simple words correctly?
No. 2567511
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>>2567503Samefag, this one is the closest to his real-life appearance and they all look like racial caricatures, does Mossa hates himself?
No. 2567531
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>>2567518>they'll think I'm gaywell I mean he does draw femboy stuff so I doubt he cares about that. picrel stolen from the nsfw cows thread
No. 2567556
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>>2567472>I don't think OP was seriously asking if making FOTM for clout was morally wrong.Sorry, we've had some insanely dumb anons ITT ask shit like this and seem seruous, so I wanted to cover my basis. You do have ampoint, if she's referring to it rhetorically. How artists feel no shame in shitting up tags as tourists. I remember the Animal Crossing thing with Isabelle and that one Egyptian cat get fucked over, and then the tourists double dipped with Sasha since effiminent male (?) character. Or currently moids are drawing Carmine from Pokémon like some sort of stinky bimbo after it being Nemona. I'm tired of seeing it, but there's nothing we can do.
Saw the same shit happen for Leviathan from Megaman Zero, too.
>>2567516 could be onto something with it being instant-gratification, which is the current flavor of this era.
No. 2567572
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>>2567556>>2567516Its disappointing. The "its muh hyperfixation/special interest" thing especially. They're too busy sperging about how much it means to them to finish the media or even watch it.
As another nona said in here, fan artists of that type may as well make OCs for all the shit they give about characterization. You have to know the rules to bend them, and you have to know something about a series/character to turn them into something else. Apparently not. Because its an era of remakes and remasters that don't follow the originals hardly at all, there's new fags shitting up so many long standing series that had formerly defent fandoms. Now you have people calling the OG material ugly, shitting up tags, and arguing with older fans about story incongruencies that they wouldn't know because they didn't touch the original, and haven't even finished the 2x speed playthrough of the remake yet. Yes, I'm hyper bitter about it
No. 2567611
>>2567572When everything is shoveled into your face a mile a minute via shorts, there's no real opportunity to explore what you actually like, what your tastes are, before the next thing is already in front of you. They want a "special interest" but god forbid if someone else is too interested. Which is it? I would say I feel bad for the younger generation but they don't bother seeking out and cultivating their own interests beyond arguing in fandoms they dont belong and making fun of others while they waste away time scrolling endlessly.
Constantly trying to "own" some sense of individuality by grafting a -core aesthetic onto themselves every month.
I'm so glad I'm not in fandom anymore.
No. 2567807
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My boomer boss is helping me set up a website for my art, because he didn't have access to much of my art files he took what he had and put it in AI to create fake mockups… it's not even my haters who happily feed my art to AI to make new AI slop from it, it's my own idiotic allies sigh
No. 2567819
I just got this video in my recommended and I thought that it would be apt to be posted here. It takes her like 12 minutes to explain some context, basic idea of AF, how she classified some things in the research she did before showing her stats. Some of her research findings include:
>About 30.6% of uploaded characters are women while 58.1% were men>Women are 3 times more likely to have 'goonerish' designs than men (her words not mine)>Female characters are far more likely to be uploaded simply to be an accessory piece to another character (12.3% versus 1.0% for men) additionally men were more likely to have more in-depth writing in their biosAt some point the video veers off somewhat into talking about how other groups aren't represented properly (ex: racial minorities, elderly, and disabled people), but then she gets back on track to rant about how so many people seem to care more about male characters than female ones because female characters get shitty writing. She believes that this is inherently due to how misogyny is simply ingrained into the world no matter how seemingly progressive a space might be (especially because AF seems like it would be an inclusive space with all the super qwueer characters it has).
I don't love the video itself because I think it's kinda needlessly long, and I don't agree with everything she says but I think it provides some interesting information that nonnies here would find intriguing to know about. Here's a link to her data if anyone is interested in looking further into it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a7MiJZOl_g-InziDOvQ76qc7gt3obDK649muFWkJgM0/edit?gid=970791899#gid=970791899 No. 2567893
>>2567819>30.6% of characters are womenthis is honestly better than i expected. i feel like this number is even worse on other websites like toyhouse, even if there's a lot of overlap in the userbase.
>>2567861OT but eh i don't buy that it's just a matter of women being largely straight (though that is a big part of it.) aside from the odd transbian, guys who ""create"" ""OCs"" typically create one man and one woman to pair up, meanwhile more women in fandom spaces create two men. i think female socialization and internalized misogyny does play a factor into this behavior, because even fujos will admit that it's easier on their psyche to ship characters without an innate power imbalance and who are written better in media (so, men), and i think that carries into their personal ventures too. even for women who do write characters without a shipping slant (with less of an emphasis on the romantic/sexual attraction), they tend to write male characters. and EVEN WHEN you consider the female characters that DO exist on these websites, as the woman in the video points out, a lot of them are mere accessories. if you wanna write men because you wanna fuck them, sure, understandable, but i think it's hard to ignore that the female characters these artists DO have, possess no interiority and are just there for brownie points. if it had nothing to do with misogyny, they'd probably have female OCs with at least a few cool traits but they're always feminine, motherly, bubbly, caring, or "the one that has the braincell". like, have you ever seen a butch/masc woman OC by someone who wasn't a lesbian?
it gets worse when you read how some women write men with this highly fictionalized, dramaticized, honestly very female flair, and all the characters don't feel like an earnest attempt to write a male but rather butch women. which is why
>Why write about female friendship when i experience them everyday? […] it seems like alot of people are over complicating it.feels very, very convenient. no hate to you or any woman who revolves their creative pursuits around male characters but i do think there is something deeper to it.
No. 2567928
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>>2567819> this is inherently due to how misogyny is simply ingrained into the world no matter how seemingly progressive a space might beI always see the “woke” people on social media (often times lesbians) who are bitter and go on rants that gay pairings and men in general were always much more popular than lesbian pairings/female characters in general in fandom spaces. Take the annual ao3 top ships ranking for example. 90% of the pairings are male x male while the rest is lesbo pairings or straight ones.
They’ll always claim that it’s because of misogyny, but honestly it’s really because most fandoms are made up of women, and most women are straight and are simply attracted to men more. That’s literally it. Yes that includes the bisexual women who claim they’re so gay for women but they still mostly care about male characters anyway. And of course the aidens who pretend they’re men so they claim they’re gay.
Could it have something to do with internalized misogyny? Maybe. But the main reason will always be because women are more attracted to men because they’re heterosexual even if they try to deny this.
This applies in reverse too obviously, there are some fandoms with a male majority like those countless pedo anime series. There, you will actually find most of the content being female centered and barely any male content, because most men are straight. Most artfighters are women.
It really isn’t rocket science, most people are straight.
No. 2567981
>>2567819Replying again because im listening to the video
>anime/japanese characters were not generally considered to be non-white unless were very clearly thought out to be such Now what the hell could this mean. I get that the blonde haired blue eyed donut steel oc with a name “~~Sakura Hirashi~~” is hard to imagine as being Japanese but for the most part, im rolling my eyes if this autistic bitch categorized anyone who didn’t have black hair, black eyes, and monolids as non-asian. These are ocs, it’s gonna be common for characters to have unconventional hair and eye colors because it’s just for fun and it’s fiction. Personally I’m open to believing any oc as nonwhite/asian unless they have blonde hair and blue eyes kek. I wouldn’t be surprised if this retard was one of those types that think Asians have to be drawn in a strict, almost stereotypical way in order to be “really” asian.
Also, I imagine that most artfighters are white so it’s not really surprising that most of their ocs are white. I do wonder what race non white people make their ocs the most though. Maybe for most people both white and nonwhite, they don’t really think of race when making an oc, when I see the ocs that TikTok zoomers post, it’s pretty much just a simple drawing of a character and no obvious race is present.
Plus, this study is filled with verysubjective categories so it’s kinda hard to take seriously. But the general statement that art fight users care more about men is true.
No. 2567989
>>2567977Oh fuck no.
Female character nonnies can we just unionise instead.
No. 2567992
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>>2567819based stacy terrorizing fujos with genderbends
No. 2568015
>>2568001Nta but
>She tells her friends she's not into men>Her friends berate her for not being into men and tell her to be into menYou:
>I can't believe she drew genderbends? How is that legal? I would cut her off.Nonna what. I'm not even lesbian but do you not have reading comprehension to see how her old friends were acting superior towards her because they were into men? Imo what she did was funny. If she was my little sister I'd be proud of her for not taking their shit lying down.
No. 2568026
>>2568016>I might get murdered If I made some moid's waifu into a man Nah, do it anyway. Genderbending used to be common before trannies/TRAs started popping up and calling it "
problematic", low chance any men will see/care, and if they do, it's funny if they melt down
No. 2568042
>>2568026Idk, there seems to be this stigma where making a female character male takes away rep the same way whitewashing does. I know it's not equivalent hence why it's not as bad. I wouldn't mind genderbending sexualized female characters but won't do the same for amazing ones. Doing it just feels wrong? Like, making them a man makes them worse in way like trying to fix a mistake that winds up catching on fire.
>>2568036>women are just less porny with their art and explore their "attractions" on more levels.IDK, I generally wish women were more brazen with how they draw men instead of cladding their bodies in ten million layers of suits but that's on me. I still perfer it over pornfifed depctions of women.
No. 2568043
>>2567928>>2567894Confused about the denial of internalized misogyny and misogyny overall in this thread……
Sorry, male characters don't vastly outnumber female characters while the few female characters fit neatly into poorly written or oft trod routes of characterization simply because straight women like men……PLEASE use the brain given you. I can't believe Im reading this.
I'm not caping for the video maker, I haven't watched the video, but reading through the responses feels like I'm in bizarro world. To try to pass that as just girls like boys so duh and nothing else is such a naive at best, almost maliciously disingenuous at worst kind of take.
No. 2568050
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>>2567819This is so retarded. My ocs are men because drawing cute boys is fun. Anime is already ridden with cgdct slop i dont want to draw women when there are female characters for every niche possible, from post apocalyptic cgdct to spokon to shonenshit to whatever you can imagine. Where does she live that female characters are actually a minority? my twitter feed is 90% animu grills and i dont even follow waifufags.
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>>2567992You sure about that?
No. 2568081
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>>2567819she sounds a bit annoying, she cant even make a fucking color ref c'mon like its artfight
also theres so many shit in artfight thats just sparkledogs or shit made by young gen z that i dont see how one would expect proper writing for women idg why people take fandom and ocs so seriously nowadays
>>2567994its meant to be two women lmao
i was going to do art fight but if this dumbass video gains traction and starts the "durrr why no female character got attention and fansss?" discourse all over again im not sure, some oc fags are annoying enough already
No. 2568095
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>>2567819Artfight is a platform predominantly female and zoomer (teenagers and early 20s), of fucking course there are going to be lots of male OCs that are just the artists' boytoys, just like how there are moid artists who draw nothing but big booba waifus, but we don't think that makes them feminist or "inclusive". IJesus Christ, feel like we have this same retarded conversation every month.
No. 2568117
>>2567819This lady is retarded. I think her degrees were handed to her in exchange for cash and she has all this free time to do these studies because she doesn't get hours at her lab because she's probably insufferable. Her attitude is cancerous and her way of categorizing characters is laughable. To take her seriously is to admit to sharing her brainlessness. I wrote a full analysis of her vid but deleted it because honestly what the fuck is the point. She wants to be a fucking
victim over fictional characters that a bunch of women write. Artfight is the one place women can gather together to make silly pictures for each other. If she wants to find more women representation, she can deadass go everywhere else.
She is clearly a fucking injured lesbian who hates straight women.
No. 2568118
>>2568050I feel like I hate everyone in this situation. The art fight community has issues and is dumb, but the video maker is also dumb. In her aside about race being represented she says she does not count “anime” as being representative of East Asian culture, unless it was explicitly coded as such. What does that even mean? If you draw anime then it has to either be a racist caricature and or over the top stereotypical in its depiction of other cultures? Isn’t viewing these classifications purely through the eyes of American race definitions equally as
problematic?
Also it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when people try to tote their background in STEM or another field as justification for why they must be the authority on these topics. She had an undergrad degree in biology so she is a better authority than a psychology major in conducting this research? So much of what she described is just reflective of her own interpretations of these metrics, if I am suppose to take this somewhat seriously then her data should be cross referenced and checked by others before making any conclusions from it. If she was just presenting this information as is then I wouldn’t really care, but she obviously wants me to be as equally outraged as she is and take a stand against this. I might comb through the data later for better insight, but the whole thing is silly and reminds me of why fandom and online artist spaces can be so exhausting.
No. 2568146
>>2568141How she went about really revealed the lack of professionalism in her part. The parts that did seem
valid were always outnumbered by parts that weren't which really lessen her argument for me. She must know what it's like to make OCs that appeal to her right? So why is she using someone's sexuality as proof of misogyny when no one goes on artfight to act out their feminist ideals?
No. 2568148
>>2568064Great deductive reasoning there, detective. In fact, its exactly why I responded to the thread replies and specified that, rather than commenting on the specifics of the the video that I didn't watch.
Responding to the caping replied that suggest that there's no "hey, women are boring and men are more interesting" internalization involved in the skewed numbers.
The idea that women draw men because they're attracted and only that doesn't hold water given that men have been drawing other men forever. Look at capeshit as a genre. Shounen as a genre. Shoujo as a genre for that matter. Yes they include men, but they're for and about women. There's nothing wrong with having male OCs and not drawing 1000% women all the time, but trying to suggest that its only because he he women like men (as if an OC has to be something you're attracted to) and that someone suggesting that there might be more to it is a retarded, bitter lesbian is insane. Is this chime in from people who are particularly young, or just don't have the life experience to see beyond internet insularity? I'm just confused here.
No. 2568153
>>2568148>The idea that women draw men because they're attracted and only that doesn't hold water given that men have been drawing other men forevernta Yes it does. People draw what they like. I don't draw women because it doesn't interest me. That's not misogyny, that's preference. I fanart other female characters if they interest me. The video, however, suggests that ArtFight
hates women. That's why everyone is rolling their eyes and countering this person's "evidence". We are speaking from personal angles and preferences.
Preference. Isn't. Hate.
Because in that case, if you don't draw (insert minority), you
must hate them.
No. 2568158
>>2567819Honestly funny because while I generally have an even split of boys and girls on AF, the girl in my most popular duo gets drawn far more than the guy, who is rarely drawn solo and I've joked that people only draw him as an accessory to her.
In fact, my girls get drawn more in general. Does anyone on art fight feel like their male OCs get picked more? This is hardly relevant to the video as drawing girls isn't the same as writing them as compelling characters, but, anyways.
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I can see the reasoning for differing stances on this but this is so silly, if we are going to talk about misogyny we could talk about how most AF users are a flavour or gendie so even if the percentages were more even users would still be participating in casual misogyny in their lives.
Coming from someone whose OCs are split between being 3/5 female self insert, 2/5 husbandos or "accessory" male charactersI haven't seen the video yet and the Google sheet isn't working on my end so I'm just going off replies, I might come back with a full analysis but it seems so obnoxious kek.
>>2567977Bronies but not pegasisters? Fuck off, as if an autistic moid can write anything decent about women.
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>>2568095It’s the same thing over and over again. Anyone who bitches and whines about women not drawing what they want are just as bad as scrotes to me atp. Wish nonas would just shut the fuck up and post their own OCs online if it’s such a big issue. Oh wait; they’re too busy complaining about everyone else is doing.
No. 2568225
>>2568216It's because plenty of anons like drawing men they find hot or cute so being told they do it because they actually just hate women is annoying to them. Also we all know nobody is making videos criticizing men for drawing too many women, but gotta police what women draw!
I'm only been skimming the conversation, but did the video maker take other things into consideration? I know a lot of people who don't draw humans and instead just draw cute animals or mechas, where do they fall? And how strict were they on the rampant gendie shit? So many troons draw one sex and then pretend it's the other, so a if a tif draws a girly girl but insists it's a he/him/ they is that then a male character?
No. 2568236
>>2567894Womp womp womp
Womp womp womp
Heyeyeyeah
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(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE) No. 2568237
>>2568225A lot of this kind of example is comparing apples to oranges IMO. If this then that but we aren't talking about those things.
>So many troons draw one sex and then pretend it's the other, so a if a tif draws a girly girl but insists it's a he/him/ they is that then a male character?Insisting its a he/him is more indicative of ingrained misogyny than anything because why can't it just be a woman. Why the he/him. He/him is like shorthand for it being more interesting /cooler to be male than female. That female characters can't have all the traits a male character can. Same goes for tiffery IRL many times.
The thing that's a bother about this whole conversation is that no one is saying the users in this thread are horrible misogynistic bitches. The video was about AF users and her findings on them. Even if you use art fight that may not be you. I hate this term to death, but "hit dogs holler" is ringing apt. There's no need to go falling over yourself to defend how you're not misogynistic at all you just like men. As another nona quite succinctly put it, internalized misogyny is down to a cellular level. As I make this argument, I have internalized misogyny about something else. We all do, unfortunately. Things don't cut off cleanly as we wish them to sometimes and as "stupid" as it may feel to granulate on this about OCs and fandom, our ways express themselves in everything we do. So where this applies, it applies.
No. 2568239
>>2568216Are the moids who draw dozens of animu grills weekly and hate male characters or simply don’t care for them considered misandrists..?
Yes internalized misogyny in women is a big thing, like the girls and women who hate being seen and perceived as female so they decide to troon out, because being a female is the biggest insult to them. And a lot of women/girls also picked up from the shitty writing that plagues many, many female characters in media who were written by moids which contributes to these ladies writing shitty female characters themselves on art fight which the video mentioned
However on art fight’s platform, yes it mostly is about attraction and sexuality, not internalized misogyny. It’s centered around OCs and most people are gonna want to create characters they’re attracted to, even if subconsciously. Because hey, you’re going to get art of these characters, and you have to upload a ref sheet of their design and make a bio about them too, why would anyone waste time doing this to a character they’re not attracted to?
Do you think that the overwhelmingly female fanbase of series like enstars or love and deep space are all misogynists? They’re playing these games because they’re into boys/men, if you forced them to play a female centered game then they simply wouldn’t be interested in it because they’re not attracted to females. These gacha games/yume games know what they’re doing, they create their characters specifically for the female taste. It’s all about appeal. Don’t act like just because a woman is straight it automatically means she has internalized misogyny. The result of this kind of reasoning would mean that only lesbians are the ones who aren’t misogynistic…
No. 2568253
>>2568239Moids are an awful comparison point because they just don't work the same fucking way.
Fandom you consume, especially shit like LaDS which is made as a boyfriend Sim, at its core, is also an almost irrelevant comparison. What you create and are inclined to create based on your own thoughts, feelings, un/sub/conscious is what we're talking about here. Its not saying everyone involved is an awful bitch who hates other women its saying there might be a facet worth looking into here. Its not a 1:1 but its like asking a black girl why she only wants to play with the blonde doll and not one that looks like her. OK that doll has soft hair, OK she likes the dolls blue eyes. These things are true. She may not think her mom, or herself or her black doll that she plays with, just less, are ugly. But she prefers the white doll for whatever reason. You could argue its preference. She's not being racist but she is expressing the results of internalized racism. This is just a metaphor. Why, as women, are we more deeply interested in males then? OK, attraction. Well, theres also plenty of lesbian fujos or lesbians who only have male OCs. Does everyone make OCs just because they're hetero? All thoughts to ponder. I hope this makes some sense.
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>>2568163Samefag, I tried to make notes throughout watching the video but it's just not worth it to fully break it down in any comprehensive way. For starters she's making sweeping remarks about Artfight, a site with nearly half a million active users as of last year, based on a sample size of
200 users. That is ridiculously small, and I can't take many of her points nor this discussion seriously because of it
I am a legalfag, not a STEMfag so that might have something to do with it. I don't like that there's no data collected on the users either, because then we'd know what demographic is making which characters.
I will note that I find it interesting that all of her AF characters are female, including the ones she was drawing in the video. So she's not hypocritical, just has an ugly style, but she is being obnoxious.
>"[..] pseudoscienctific study where you sound really really smart"I kind of want to recreate this study in the
middle of AF (as in, when everyone would have their profiles and characters finished) with tweaked variables and larger sample size to see what I get.
This discussion is also interesting but I feel like the fact that this may be due to multiple different factors that may not all be positive or negative is getting a bit lost. People aren't a hivemind even when they have similar values (like AF users).
>>2568164>Stacy picnic in the desert would solve a lot.Yes, absolutely.
No. 2568273
>>2568264Men are ruled by their dicks and hate women as a default. Its not "erm" anything.
You find it retarded because its about race, if you find it irrelevant you can elaborate if you choose to.
>>2568268I can't even understand your response. But for what I could pick out, I'm both black and a woman, that is why I used that example. I don't expect you to be psychic, hence why I've explained myself. If anything lacks detail, please let me know. You using the "w-well what if she wants to work with something that's easier to manage unlike a substance–!" is almost comical and proves my point. Its incomparable. Synthetic fibers don't feel like straight hair either, if you're going there, and that argument of "well its just easier to have straight hair than manage the hair coming out of your head!" is used similarly to how you're using "well male characters just…!".
This is NOT about race and I do NOT want to take it there but I don't think you realize that you're proving my point. Its an internalized bias. Its a bias. Its internalized. You can't see, touch, taste, or feel it but its
there. You can only become aware of it and work on that.
No. 2568298
>>2568253>theres also plenty of lesbian fujos or lesbians who only have male OCs. Does everyone make OCs just because they're hetero? All thoughts to ponderNta but as someone who has spent years coming across "lesbian fujos" on tumblr/twitter/discord and even the friendfinder thread on this very site, and getting to know them just to figure out their whole deal, turns out all of them were just bi and preferred women as irl partners but still enjoyed consuming porn of males kek. Many genuinely seemed convinced they were lesbian though despite their obvious actions, it was strange witnessing it every time.
Anyway I think actual lesbian and bi nonnas who want to share their female OCs should join the personal creations thread on /m/ (pretty please)
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>>2568301KEK our hotpot thread of delicious OCs and Elsie edits.
DAERHT SNOITAERC LANOSREP EHT NIOJ!
No. 2568350
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Mentioned Ripushko earlier, she decided to make a very odd maneuver here.
>I know that you are here only for horny pictures, but
>Proceeds to make a vaguely passive aggressive comment towards people who are not comfortable seeing war footage
Maybe it's poorly translated. Maybe she didn't mean it to be passive aggressive.
I know she's going through a hard time, and I don't think anyone really deserves that sort of treatment. However, it was an odd move in my opinion to… post this. I understand wanting to support those in need! I do! But I decided to take a peek to see if she maybe had the funds to do so herself, to set an example.
>Set to private in 2021
I'm not sure if 119,555.85 UAH is a lot or not. Maybe she's hiding Patreon numbers from Russian stuff..??????? I know nobody is required to be upfront with this but, kek this shit made me feel a Certain Kind Of Way.
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>>2568379>femboy Miku HatsuneGod. I know degen shit has existed of Miku since inception but what the fuck.
>>2568376Not Cow Fight nona but good idea! I feel like there should also be restrictions on how many OCs anons could post so we don't get a handful hogging the thread accidentally or not.
No. 2568461
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Blogpost incoming! I think something that's really fascinating is that I'm at war with myself lately. Part of me thinks
>You are absolutely garbage for an artist your age honestly.
But then when I see someone better than me, their skillset has a massive hole in it. An artist can be absolutely amazing at drawing and rendering humans, but god forbid that human has a pet dog kek. They have no idea how to draw a small pommerannian. Chinchilla? Crocodile. Monster character? They're absolutely incapable of drawing the body of a shark, limbs of a gorilla, giraffe legs, etc. So it looks so silly and bad. But when it comes to drawing things, I'm a jack of all trades. Master of absolutely none. Everything looks of equal quality, be it bad or whatever. It's like when you allocate your skill points in a game to all of the stats instead of minmaxing.
I find it more harmful to minmax than to expand your skillset everywhere. I mean, really, drawing animals is pretty easy when you realize they all have the same parts, just arranged differently. Be it an elephant's elbows or a bat's fingers, it's all the same. I think each topic of thing to draw is linked in a way; anatomy leads to animals, insects lead to mecha, stuff like that. I don't think this will help anyone or anything, but maybe someone else felt this way too. If you spread yourself thin, your improvement will be slower, but you have less to grind, where others are still at the toddler phase but draw specific things really well.
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>>2568487I know his "kangaroo" is a massive meme but I feel like he could have saved it a little by saying he was drawing a
joey No. 2568582
I’m very late to this discussion but
>>2567819>>Women are 3 times more likely to have 'goonerish' designs than men (her words not mine)>>Female characters are far more likely to be uploaded simply to be an accessory piece to another character (12.3% versus 1.0% for men) additionally men were more likely to have more in-depth writing in their biosHow is it with all these reactions, no one addressed the first part, and only like 1-2 nonas mentioned the second? It just immediately got oversimplified down into “she’s hating on women for drawing men they’re attracted to” but clearly the female characters they make aren’t treated that well either.
No. 2568624
>>2568596nta I wonder if that is self-inflicted or something of a developmental issue beyond his control. I know photographic memory artists seem to struggle with drawing from
imagination - they can only sraw what they've seen. Is it a location in the brain responsible for that? It's all so bizarre!
>>2568593nta Straight woman bad. Lesbian good. Something something anything positively associated with men (fictional or real) is misogyny. Straight women are too dumb to be in charge of their own agency therefore straight women are perpetually fucked.
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Do you guys think it's too old to pick up drawing again at 25? I've had multiple attempts at drawing, but it didn't work out. Part of me wanted to draw again, but the older I got, the more shy I became about picking up my pen again. Mostly because I don't think I can compete with other people…
No. 2568652
>>2568239i'm not calling anyone a straight up misogynist, and like the other anon said, i'm also not interested in being "right", it's just weird that everyone is opposed to even considering the topic? having male characters is fine, wanting to draw male characters is perfectly normal, and i'm not saying anyone can't? i also never said women should only draw lesbians because "hetero bad", i'm actually arguing that hetero art/characters would be cool to see a bit more of but these spaces, despite being comprised of OSA women, feature near exclusively same sex male couple art or entire worlds devoid of even one woman. despite nearly all of these artists being women themselves. this is why i understand the internalized misogyny argument the video maker is claiming.
i'm also not making up what i'm saying about fujos and female artists self admitting they struggle to "write women" or even "relate to women", you can go in some threads even on here and read posts like those yourself. i don't care what anyone draws, and i can't believe i'm being told i'm policing what anyone should draw when i also never said anyone NEEDS to stop drawing men and NEEDS to draw women. i was only saying there are deeper than surface level reasons to never write or draw interesting female characters or any female characters at all, in some cases.
>>2568582probably because it proves our point.
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>>2568657NTA but that's so weird, I wonder if it's a generational thing? All the artscrotes below the age of 30 that I interact with almost never draw men, there was even one who I thought was a teenaged girl until I heard 'her' speak on the voice channel.
Older men mostly have edgelord dark knight / sorcerer OCs or chunklord barbarians, you know things are grim when Dark Blademaster Xoxxlzyxxtryxx, Archduke of the Gorespires begins to feel refreshingly original.
No. 2568676
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>>2568122>A jealous bitch, maybe? Everytime I see a video like this on my feed I wonder if they're just horny for good lesbian content>>2568117>She is clearly a fucking injured lesbian who hates straight women.>>2567928>I always see the “woke” people on social media (often times lesbians) who are bitter and go on rants that gay pairings and men in general were always much more popular than lesbian pairings/female characters in general in fandom spacesWow, the way lesbians got brought up in this conversation certainly feels natural and not like people randomly projecting their grievances.
Regardless, I don't care for the idea that female heterosexuality is under attack when someone criticizes the hyperfocus on male characters which typically includes m/m. A lot of these people obsess over and give money to media made by men, for men, even when the moid creators blatantly despise women. In fact they're often among the many people who look down on and make fun of heterosexual romances made by women. Considering artfight is gendie/tif central, I'm not sure why you're so compelled to defend people who probably hate straight women and hate being straight women kek. It doesn't sound like you're defending straight women's sexuality, it sounds like you're upset because you think your group that warrants multiple containment threads is being attacked.
No. 2568681
>>2568674Sorry, I probably wasn't particularly clear in my post, I was trying to describe a broad category that older moid artists' OCs fell under. I would consider their characters OCs, they'd have names and complex mythologies and worlds built around them. More than one of them started life as TTRPG characters.
OCs are generally variations on the media we are consuming, so I can see why younger men who grew up on waifu gacha games and animu starring prepubescent girls would end up with mostly female OCs.
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>>2568122Shoujo isn't the only media made by women, there's still a variety of genres within shoujo, there's josei which tackles more mature topics, and 99% of shounen is utter slop too with extra misogyny
>no wonder women gravitate towards shonen where the characters are allowed to have some sort of personality that isnt ''squeee senpai noticed me blush uguu''Have fun reading slop made by moids who despise you and are friends with a convicted pedo
No. 2568700
>>2568692Again not all shoujo/josei is romance, they're demographics and there's multiple genres and stories that don't have romance.
>Also funny you are moralfagging about anime but you yourself refuse to stop watching animuI don't even watch anime kek, I stopped years ago aside from reading shoujo/josei stuff. I'm mainly a live action watcher because I prefer seeing real women instead of the ones in anime. I was bringing up examples of one of the types of fandoms who hate on media made by women.
>but you never support real womenDo you not think the women creating the media count as real women kek?
>just because something it's made by a woman doesnt meant its the most morally correct piece of artNever implied otherwise, you're just getting really defensive when you were the one shitting on shoujo in favor of shounen
No. 2568704
>>2568700>Do you not think the women creating the media count as real women kek?funny you say this because according to you supporting a yume/fujo drawing whatever she wants is misogynistic.
>Again not all shoujo/josei is romanceplease, most of it is. If its not romance then its mahou shojo, or boring sol slop. Not every woman is into that and that's fine. Instead of moralfagging drawing into drawing what you want, you should make your own shoujo that appeals to women into shounen or more action focused shows.
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>anons are unironically crying about "representation" and "internalised misogyny" in random innocuous Instagram/Twitter art
Yep, summer is here kek. I draw women a lot better/more often than I draw men, but no shit people aren't gonna be responsive to your point when you come in framing it like "this MUST be self-hatred" right off the bat kek. How about you lead by example?
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Nonas if any of you have books on children's illustrations I would really really need them. History, phsichology, theory, anyhting.
No. 2568732
>>2568711Can you guys stop basing everything off of shitty tranime shows and manga? Yes we all know that weeb subhumans have shit taste and waifufag moids tend to gravitate towards all female series. I’m not really sure what this has to do with moids having male ocs or not though. The original statement that moids never have male ocs is simply absurd and nona was basing this belief off of some random art discord so it must be true.
Decenter yourself from weebshit and acknowledge the plenty of somewhat more “normal” moids who are autistic and like creating stories that have plenty of male ocs with the whole background, personality, story arcs, and relationships, all the traits needed to have a “genuine” and proper oc. Yes they exist and it doesn’t mean that they want to fuck these male ocs, not every single oc someone makes automatically means the creator wants to fuck them believe it or not.
It honestly seems like some nonas here genuinely believe that creators are supposed to be sexually attracted to every character they make up
No. 2568741
>>2568570OK. If that's all you took from the entirety of that conversation that's fine. Don't care if lesbians like yaoi but for being women who like women, engaging even still in male centered content and majority creating the same (in this scenario) is unusual. This does not boil down to fujos. This is not "wokescolding" its trying to point out that there's an unacknowledged facet to all of this that some nonas are swearing till they're blue isn't there. That's why it's unconscious. Women grow up their entire lives seeing female characters who are accessories, love interests,~bad ass ~ but only in a few specific ways, I could go on. Male characters can vary in a world of ways by default and the world is catered to and centered around men as a default. To claim that doesn't reflect in ones subconscious is absurd. But since every nona claiming that male OCs are drawn because he he men cute and thats it. Since those particular nonas ITT can all access the Red Book and delve their subconscious so lucidly, the point is rendered null. And I just can't agree with that. And to upend your point, I'm a lesbian. I do know the history and point of yaoi and its target and value towards women and its tempering of men/access to non-threatening sexuality. This is not about that.
But again, if that's all you took from this, so be it.
No. 2568747
>>2568739They maybe nona should’ve been more specific that her statement how moids don’t have male ocs was about art fight. Which still isn’t true at all lmfao. Male art fight users still exist even if they aren’t the majority and them having male ocs isn’t a rarity. Also no it doesn’t mean they want to fuck these male ocs. Some of you might genuinely be living under a rock/echo chamber if you can’t believe these type of people exist. Then there’s gay or bi moids who DO have male ocs they wanna fuck, how many make gay furries on there with countless male furry ocs are on artfight for example?
Also where the fuck did I ever criticize women on artfight for having fun? Are you mistaking me for some other anons or something? I think it’s perfectly fine for women to have plenty of male ocs and her not caring much about female characters isn’t always internalized misogyny, she might just be straight
No. 2568753
>>2568699DA but i can't stand people like you.
>Go volunteer at a rape shelter or soup kitchen.i'm not here for brownie points but i've done actual activism for women in the real world, including volunteering and donating hundreds of dollars to women's organizations. is it not possible to care about a multitude of things at once, to ponder about intricacies in a hobby i partake in, and to simply have a discussion online? like does it actually make you THIS angry that some women believe in the feminist concept of female socialization and want to discuss it? if it makes you this mad to talk about, you should probably dip out of the conversation and do something that makes you happy. come back when you get your one month chip in anger management, yeah?
>>2568743the reading comprehension here is absurd. nobody's saying that we're trying to improve the world's view of women we're simply discussing a common phenomenon in hobby groups. god forbid anyone asks questions and speculates about anything. plus, asking men to make better female characters is a moot point here because the conversation -
internalized misogyny - does not apply to them.
No. 2568757
>>2568753Thank you for putting this very eloquently
>>2568751Thank you for the same, and for making the points less aggressive. But this, is the point. That no one will even consider this. That in and of itself speaks volumes IMO.
No. 2568761
>>2568750It’s because everything is always centered around men for both genders. We live in a society etc
>the belief that bisexual women are ackshally straight>the belief that bisexual men are ackshally gay>it being normal for men’s idols being famous sport players, if his idols are all women he’s gay >it being normal for women to always center themselves and their lives around their man or men in general>most media having men being the protagonist I’m trying to find that image of text that talks about how men are so misogynistic that they accidentally make themselves be in homoerotic situations on how much they dickride their male idols, does anyone have it
No. 2568764
>>2568704>funny you say this because according to you supporting a yume/fujo drawing whatever she wants is misogynistic.Well no, I had an issue with the kneejerk reactions saying the video maker must be a "jealous bitch" "bitter" "injured lesbian" and then the conversation somehow being about how she must be hating on straight women and that lesbians are expecting straight women to make lesbian ocs and shit. Do you not see the misogyny in that? I have no respect for those who act like pickmes, berate or degrade women over innocuous shit, support misogynist/sexpest moids, or fall for gendie/tif bullshit. Otherwise I don't care if a woman draws only male characters, I just ignore them.
I also think it's okay for women to have grievances with the fact that most media, no matter mainstream or indie or in the freedom of online spaces, will be centered around men and treat male characters better. I think it's okay to acknowledge and discuss this and the assumption that they must be bitter lesbians or trying to force straight women to draw women is insanely meanspirited but that's what I expect from LC.
No. 2568765
>>2568750>Or, I don't give a shit what moids draw.NTA but I don't see how you admitting to this double standard is supposed to
disprove the other anon's point kek
No. 2568768
>>2568728Children's illustrations in general…? I ddidn't know anyone had anything of the sort. I only know
of old children's books with art in them.
No. 2568769
>>2568676If
>>2568751is true and the video creator is a lesbian then it means our suspicions were right kek. It’s always some bitter dyke angry that heterosexual women are straight and therefore will want to upload her male boytoys on art fight instead of uploading a hypothetical female character that she will not care about.
No. 2568772
>>2568728Carl Bark's work for the old Disney comic strips is really foundational for children's animation and comic books, I've found reading and just plain old copying some of his technique has been handy for making work that is appealing to children.
https://batcave.biz/27755-the-complete-carl-barks-disney-library-2011.htmlI don't know if this will be helpful to you but I've always had an easier time learning through emulation than theory.
Sorry I'm not able to help more.
No. 2568778
>>2568732>It honestly seems like some nonas here genuinely believe that creators are supposed to be sexually attracted to every character they make upthe 'why do if no coom?' logic appears in the fandom thread fairly often too, I think some anons just have the assumption that 'like' or 'enjoy' in regards to a character (oc or not) refers to sexual or romantic interest, not any other kind. If people can't comprehend why anyone might be motivated to write genfic aka the story type that most often reflects that of the
media they're fans of in the first place, I'm not surprised it isn't clicking for them here either. Also of course moids make regular male ocs, where else would many of the slash shipper favourite male characters come from if not eg shounen series written by men about their ocs they doodled in notebooks before getting their shit together and making a story to publish?
That's not to say, by the way, that any anon reading this right now is in any way 'wrong' or whatever if that is how she views her ocs and that
is their purpose for existing, power to you, but it is silly to generalise all other artist's motivations to be the same by default and therefore purely a reflection of innate sexuality and little else.
No. 2568789
>>2568769Samefagging but I just want to say that as someone who’s lurked and been part of several gacha communities that are infested with moids, I can confirm that women creating their pretty boy ocs on art fight is based.
The men in gacha communities will always seethe at male characters and will always just want their underage female waifus. I know how they behave in the genshin, Arknights, basically any mixed gender gacha generals.
And let me tell you, lesbians who have no clue about the behavior of these moids and what they say are truly retarded.
>tweet showcases the discrepancy of the gender ratio of playable characters in genshin; a dozen female characters compared to one or two male characters for example >dykes in the quotes will be like “genshin is healing” “sooo based i love women” “good, stop releasing male characters” Meanwhile these female characters were quite literally designed by and for moid incels. The moids in male community sites will cheer that male characters aren’t released as often. There are these special brand of braindead dykes who unknowingly align themselves with moidcels. I’ve literally seen them claim that genshin releasing female characters is feminist keklmao.
And on the other hand, the fans of male characters will always be like 80-90% women. They were made for WOMEN and not moidcels.
I might even go so far as to saying that dykes who cheer at male characters being treated unfairly have more internalized misogyny than straight girls who care more about their male ocs on art fight. Because they’re basically cheering for the female fanbase being treated unfairly, while also cheering with the moids who hate male characters and female fans.
No. 2568802
>>2568765The other anon is complaining that women are too "chicken shit" to go to men to better represent women. And I'm saying that deflecting the point onto men and away from women who represent OURSELVES the same way men do or not at all is an issue.
It feels like a kid doing something wrong and when caught pointing at another kid and saying "but what about him!!!!". Of course men should better represent women, they're the most misogynistic things out there, but I don't need to go to men for anything. This isn't about men.
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You guys can understand that artists trying to be as ~inclusive~ as possible by drawing 200+ lbs, black, brown, vitiligo, hijabi, amputee wheelchair characters is retarded so why cant you also understand that forcing straight women to include characters she’s not attracted to on her art profile is not a realistic option?
If someone drew only white/light skinned characters and no black/brown characters are they automatically racist? If a straight women only has male characters or mostly male ocs on artfight does she automatically have internalized misogyny?
No. 2568868
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>>2568769Nta but the video just sounds like
>Despite everyone claiming to be queer/LGBTQ++++++ and progressive, no one is actually into women nor are they exploring other cultures outside of their own, just drawing an anime character with ambiguously dark skin (who ends up being a background character anyway)Instead of basically saying "some of you are lying about being queer and should just say how you really feel" she's approaching it from the angle of "try genderbending your male characters to female to meet your progressive quota!" Like way to suck the fun out of art lol.
But also it's not entirely a bad idea to genderbend because society is so misogynistic that girls and women across the globe generally feel like they "just relate more to guys" because the entire world promotes the idea of "females are lesser", so genderbending a male character they have
already humanised into a female character would show these kids that female characters don't need to be written like retards to BE a female character.
Picrel is some art I found on twitter of a male character with his female genderbend having fun. Basically I think if these "I'm a human so I must be nonbinary!" type children can reach this level of female character creation they might actually discover they don't have to do shit like calling themselves nonbinary and queer when they're just straight and can be straight without dehumanising themselves (and their female characters) in the process. If that makes sense.
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Ok, at first I thought I was a schizo but I see this art "style" around too much: rendermaxxed to the asshole but with horrible anatomy/zero construction or harmony. It usually was the other way around, what causes this? How does this even happen? Do zoomers practice cool effects first? Why?? I mean sure it looks cool on the technique but it clashes horribly to the overal picture to see wonky shadows because they aren't coherent to the face shape because it's all fucked up for no construction. It's a curious phenomenon, I really wonder from where it stems, it also comes with no linework and blurry eyes, there is someone famous out there that does this shit and people are trying to copy?
No. 2568897
>>2568868>Despite everyone claiming to be queer/LGBTQ++++++ and progressive, no one is actually into women nor are they exploring other cultures outside of their own, just drawing an anime character with ambiguously dark skin (who ends up being a background character anyway)Yeah that was her first mistake. I’m tired of seeing this repeated in the thread but it’s ultimately true, that most women are straight even if they try to deny this and that’s why they’ll tend to create pretty twinks they’re attracted to.
The ocs you upload on artfight are not representative of your politics whatsoever and you guys need to understand this. It’s just a fucking art event for funsies where people share their dolls they like playing with.
I’ll give artfighters the benefit of the doubt and believe that most of them are left leaning people who condemn the whole racism, homophobia, troonphobia, misogyny, etc.
Sure it might be true for some situations that women ignoring other female characters is internalized misogyny, prevalent in straight women/fujos who love putting down female characters for the sake of males but that would be offtopic
No. 2568911
>>2568879>It usually was the other way around, what causes this? How does this even happen? Do zoomers practice cool effects first? If I had to venture a partial answer, I would say that it is at least partially explained by the shift from traditional to digital mediums. Some traditional artists with strong foundations never really learned how to recapture the effect of their old hand painted colors with digital brushes when they switched over.
Now artists are starting on digital younger and younger, it's really easy to cheat a bad drawing with extensive rendering especially if your main goal is likes or reposts, hence why there is a lot of rendermaxxing of what should be practice drawings. I think this accounts for some of what you're noticing.
No. 2568915
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>>2568879Oh man that looks classic 2008 type devianart stuff. My guess is because tutorials on coloring are easier to follow than actually working on understanding and perceiving 3D objects.
No. 2568918
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>>2568879From what I’ve noticed, a lot of tiktok tutorials focus on rendering and not the actual drawing. Lots of artists also push the whole “rendering is magic!!” bs and ignore everything else. Yeah, rendering makes art better
when the art was already decent. There’s also so much focus on getting a specific style. But since these people are just following trends and don’t understand art, they go with the most obvious traits, usually the coloring/rendering/eye style. So you end up with this, people who don’t know the basics but can show you 20 different effects they saw on tiktok.
No. 2568929
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damn, i suck at drawing and i barely know how to pick up a pencil, but all of my OC's are women as i am allergic to draw moids, now i wonder if the few people who saw them ever noticed? i'm bi in denial btw, not like this nonnas…
No. 2568976
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I low key hate these because the autists who don’t wear deodorant at AX aren’t going to listen to anyone in the first place. They can’t even be bothered to say excuse me in the fucking artist alleys. I remember seeing a moid say he doesn’t wear it ON PURPOSE just to be a fucking nuisance at cons. Death to all stinky people
No. 2568994
>>2568643>>2568638Talent is a myth. Even if you were one of those crazy good artists they still put the work in to understand the fundamentals. Art is something you study and put in practice.
It's like the difference between bad, mid and exceptional doctor.
>The bad doctor prob slacked off a lot and got help from parents to pass med school and it reflects in his career. Yk it's a bad doctor bc they pass responsability to other doctors disguised as "second opinion" or straight up make your life 10x worse. They also have no love or interest in the field but do it bc of status and money. They also never leave their comfot zone bc it implies effort in ssomething they're uninterested.
>Mid doctor has a geniuen interes in the field of medicine and always tries their best to improve and expand their knowledge. They do good work with what they have and they prob had a couple of courses they struggled with but that doesn't mean they're a shit medic and it's evident in their work.
>The exeptional doctor manifests itself once every 10000 people. It's like they were born on this earth to do that and only that. That's the type of person that makes their whole life their career and they thrive in that mental stimulation. The type of perosn to push foreward medicine and understands and relates soo closely with the field that it's almost part of them. They take on unusual cases and prob work in nieche fields of meidcine.70% or artists are different levels of mid doctors with the 20% being exceptionally bad and 10% being exceptionally good.
Just bc your mid doesn't mean it's you're bad. Just bc you're past your sponge brain age doesn't mean you can't intimately know a subject. It just means it'll prob take a bit longer and it'll be more fristrating. As long as you put in the work when you're unsure about something/wanna improve, you won't be a shit doctor.
No. 2569162
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really disliked that video and i disagree with it but some of these posts feel genuinely homophobic
also is the fandom discourse thread locked or something? why did all the sperging move here? its barely art salt because anons are talking about so many other aspects of fandom it feels like they're on the wrong thread
>>2569149>>2569155its too close to a logging just for retarded fakebian posting about chinese waifu bait kek
No. 2569262
>>2569160Sai. I tried csp for a few months, had a lot of cool brushes, made some illustrations and short animations, but it wasn’t for me personally.
>How do I have the same feeling as SAI when it comes to pens/stabilization?Honestly I don’t know if you can. You can get something close by changing the stabilizer setting. But csp does have a lot of useful tools so what matters is if what you like about sai is important enough to you to outweigh the benefits of csp. I did try using both, using csp for certain features and sai for drawing, but eventually I thought I don’t really need csp’s tools that much. The caveats about Sai for me are pretty basic transform tools compared to adobe/csp, no animation, and no option to center align text. And always seeing interesting brushes made for every other program kek. Otherwise, I love it.
No. 2569302
>>2569160Used to use sai but switched to Clip years ago and prefer it over most other 2D programs I've used. I don't really care for stabilisation (or most tools in general tbh) kek– I just brute force everything with a couple custom brushes, so can't help you there.
>>2569239Limit yourself, treat it like pen and paper and not a massive toolbox and canvas. Find some videos or tutorials going over the program/the parts you need it for. Best way to get used to drawing in a new program is unfortunately to just sit and draw. Simple tip though is to go through the settings and change the keyboard shortcuts to match what you're familiar (in case they don't already).
No. 2569322
>>2568042I always wonder if women artists avoid being too brazen because they're trapped in maintaining a 'good girl' image? Especially since so many yield to callouts.
Even if she decides to be brazen, unless she's crazy, male-pandering, or a kweer, her NSFW will never be as deranged as a moids. So I wonder.
No. 2569416
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>>2568638>Do you guys think it's too old to pick up drawing again at 25No, not all all! It's never too late. I'm 23 and I still suck at art I don't shade my art or understand the concept of lighting at all but hey at least it's a fun process all the way.
No. 2569441
>>2569160I like both equality. For me SAI is the best when I want to draw with lineart, its stabilizer and watercolor brush (the SAI 2 one, not the og SAI one) are unmatched. I love to use it for quick-ish stuff. I wish it were available for tablets, I hate Procreate with a burning passion haha.
Then I ise CSP for more detailed and paintery artworks, I find SAI's brush engine too limited for the paint style I want to achieve.
No. 2569451
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Still arguing based on a study with flawed data because the sample size is only two hundred people. Never change summerfags.
>>2569160I like old SAI, it just feels nice to work with.
No. 2569484
>>2569160Been using SAI for over a decade, I prefer CSP. But I do relapse.
>>2569162>some of these posts feel genuinely homophobicI doubt it matters considering how normal it is to hate straight women on this site kek. The hate goes both ways I guess.
I genuinely think everyone arguing about it didn't watch the video and made assumptions, don't draw, and don't even use Art Fight.
No. 2569561
>>2568638Don't worry
nonnie my friend just
started drawing at 28. She bought a bunch of sketchbooks and a pack of pencils and she said "it's like being back at school again" kek. Don't fret about it and just enjoy it.
No. 2569578
>>2568728This youtuber Pete beard makes these videos about illustrators showing their artwork for the runtime.
I rememeber learning about another Hans Christian Anderson fairytale about an ice lady through these videos where the illustrators got work on fairy tale books.
No. 2569589
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>>2567819Also super late to the discussion but I'm so glad SOMEONE FINALLY FUCKING SAID IT. I did Artfight last year (before getting banned) and, while I don't agree with all the shit she said, I can definitely agree that slogging through shitty designs, self-hating female artists, and troonery was a pain in the ass.
I will also say that wishing for more variety in character design isn't a bad thing. If there were cooler older character designs that piqued my interest, I'd draw them.
No. 2569626
>>2569542I think archiving pages during the midst of Art Fight (doing it before or after is a bit unfair because people remove characters to work on refs and other things) and then making sure to label the time period the data was collected could solve the problem you're talking about.
The sample size would need to be larger for sure, thinking 500 users at the absolute minimum but 1000-2000 would be preferable (so you'd definitely need a team to do this) and you'd have to do multiple different sets of data of the same sample size (different users) and then work out the average of the different results.
So the end size of data would be 3000-6000 users and 15-60k characters I don't blame her for not putting in that much work because it'd be a huge time sink but treating it like undisputable fact is very on brand for a self described autistic STEMfag.
>>2569553I think I am that friend kek, otherwise no, a lot of my friends aren't that retarded with them.
No. 2569651
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>Made fat oc slightly less fat
>Nobody in comments/qrts even cared and praised the oc for being fat as usual
>He starts explaining that he made her lose weight
>Now his followers notice and express a mix of disappointment and understanding
>He starts damage controlling for his explanation
>Now his followers are sucking him off again thinking he’s being boolied for changing her design
Should’ve left it alone kek
No. 2569657
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>>2569611I remember when she got called out for that and reblogging rape hentai (and a lot of other things)
No. 2569699
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She’s truly incapable of creating a female oc that isn’t a chubby coomslop design anymore
No. 2569724
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>>2559293As I stated last year:
1. NO TROON SHIT. IF THE CHARACTER HAS ANY TROON SHIT OR PRONOUNS IN THE BIO, SKIP THEM, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE ART IS.
2. NO TUMBLR NOSE ART STYLE. IF IT HAS TUMBLR NOSE, SKIP IT.
3. Goes without saying but no furry shit, only animals.
Abide by these rules and you will know great happiness.
No. 2569732
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what's the most effective way of studying an artstyle?
No. 2569733
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>>2569699>moid covered head to toe>and not only that, gets to have a personality and interests>while woman is big titty waifu whose personality is being ~mysteriously~ cute and her job is ~mysteriously~ flopping her humongous boobs around doing basic tasksPisses me off kek, they don’t even look like they belong in the same story but let me guess, the secret is she’s from a race of humanoid alien waifus who look like the rest of navimoon’s female ocs
No. 2569755
On the topic of making mostly male characters, other than the attraction angle I think a lot of it is just because you can have a lot more fun making up moids. Want to make a retarded scrote that wrecks everything he touches and is clueless about the chaos and destruction he causes to everyone around him? Go for it, what a fun character, he sure does make for interesting stories.
Make a woman that does the same? You're a troon, you're a man, you're a misogynist, you're a pickme, you're an nlog. How dare you present women in such a way?
Want your tough female soldier to look like a mooing sack of sweaty flesh? An actual ground pounding knuckle dragging goon? Same shit, except now the coomers are pissed off at you as well and the muscle mommy fetishists are trying to cozy up to you now. Yay.
Life is just easier if one maintains a male public facing presence, I can send my retarded barbarian gigascrotes on moronic quests and make them as terrible of human beings as I want to and nobody blinks an eye. Why would I want the headache of introducing women adventures that will just piss everyone off?
>>2569732Everyone is different but for me either watching videos of artists who draw in the style I want to copy and trying to draw along or just tracing and redrawing images in that style for practice is helpful. You actually can learn a lot from tracing.
No. 2569766
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>>2568728Probably not helpful as it's not a book but you should check out Janet and Anne Grahame Johnstone. They illustrated a ton of nursery rhyme books and fairytales. They were a sister duo, one was skilled in animals the other in people and clothing. They worked until their death. Super pretty and painterly illustrations. Very 60s and 70s.
No. 2569771
>>2569766nta but this is such a nice recommendation
their style is so nice
No. 2569927
>>2569905Why not just steal the teams from the actual AF website?
As for the points, why not just knock the zeros off and keep the numbers small?
No. 2569997
>>2568350I always give a pass to Ukranian artists acting complete schizo, not because I believe the behaviour is justified but because I think it's unfair for anyone to expect to have a rational interaction with someone in the thick of a military invasion. For example, there are a whole group of them going around dogpiling people for interacting with Russian artists. Is that completely unfair to the
victims? Yes. Would I probably also see red if I saw inhabitants of the country bombing me having pleasant interactions online (with their flags in bio) when my distant relatives have been killed? Also yes. It just is what it is.
No. 2570004
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>>2569138My tinfoil hat theory is that hoyoverse yurifags gravitate to lolcow because they see it as a lesbian haven then proceed to sperg out in these threads the same way they do on twitter.com because they can't handle the fact that the female population is objectively 90% straight and 10% lesbian/bisexual. Ladies, relax. We can all co-exist here.
No. 2570042
>>2567819This video and the thread comments beneath are interesting to me because . . . straight women who mostly draw and write women seem to be extremely common to me? I never draw men and I follow female artists who mostly draw women/girls and I never thought that was unusual either, this makes me think that Art Fight specifically, inadvertently, selects for a specific sort of person.
Come to think of it the of the female artists I follow who mostly draw female characters none of them are doing Art Fight.
No. 2570049
>>2570046There's definitely a social component to it, if the site is mostly seeded by gendies then more people of that sort will join and other sorts of people will not join and it snowballs. So Art Fight is only representative of the sort of people who would use Art Fight.
I was never interested in it personally but hearing about it doesn't make me think that I'd be a good fit for it and as such my normal female OCs never get uploaded there. Probably lots of people in that situation and it skews things.
No. 2570298
>>2570142>And he just loses interest when I try to redirect him.My condolences for trying to tard wrangle a decent critique out of him. I hate autists who don't understand stylization and think anything that isn't photo realistic is literally the same as
>>2565590 's picrel (bonus points if he perfectly understands stylization when it comes to his coomslop of choice kek). Though I'm curious since you said he looked through your gallery, did you ask for critique on your whole body of work? I find it more productive when I'm seeking critique to keep the scope super narrow (e.g. "is the shading on the wood here believable?" "does the linework feel too simple/detailed" stuff like that, for one specific image usually). The more free range the critic has, the likelier it seems to get either empty positive comments or bullshit like you've described unless you get lucky and are talking to someone with teaching experience (and already knows how to narrow the scope by themselves) or just has very similar aesthetic sensibilities to you.