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No. 2554367

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1. Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
2. How to Draw by Scott Robertson
3. Framed Ink by Marcos Mateu-Mestre
4. Figure Drawing by Andrew Loomis
5. The Atlas of Human Anatomy and Surgery JM Bougery
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>Where can I download brushes and CSP assets?
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>How do I schedule my art?
Professional artist's schedules are easy to find online, however these may be unsustainable long term and it might be better to use them for references for you to build your own rather than attempting to follow them to a T.
>Is drawing furry or porn profitable? Will it give me clout?
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>Questions regarding AI
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>What are your thoughts on…?
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No. 2554378

>>2554367
Love the art!

No. 2554382

>>>/ot/2554292 theyre all mocking her in qrts kek tbh half of the "proof" seems outlandish (pun intended) imo if you couldve handled this privately why blast it out of proportion? seems like juby2.0 all over again

No. 2554389

>>2554382
to me its very obvious she did it to promote her webcomic because she keeps mentioning how it's ongoing and how it'll have an animated film and makes a super long threads with pictures of said webcomic and some characters and all. it's very attention beggy to me

No. 2554414

>>2554389
I used to follow them as I admired their artwork but I never had any interest in their webcomic and when they started posting about it started to become a little pathetic, yeah. I think it's fine to promo your projects but you have to be careful about it and keep things in a positive, "look at this cool character and cool scene! here's some backstory on them that didn't make it in and some concept artwork!" mood. Being beggy about it can actively turn your audience against you.

No. 2554433

>>2554382
i feel like people are getting tired of “copying” accusations from online artists in general because most of the time it ends up being one egotistical retard who’s basically just angry that other people like the same shit they do. if the similarities aren’t undeniable artists would be better off facing the fact that they’re just not that original

No. 2554568

>>>/ot/2553924
>don't even think these kids know there is more internet outside twitter and rentry
Even outside of apps, if you're an older teen turning into a young adult it's often more important to have a phone number for adult purposes. I wish I could just stop paying a phone bill all together but sometimes by phone is the only way some places are gonna reach you. The times where I didn't have a phone briefly have always been more inconvenient to me that when I was between computers

No. 2554581

>>2554298
>>2554292
The movie art does seem very inspired by their art, but it's different enough to not be plagiarism. Plus, it seems pretty normal to make an homage to other art you like. It seems that elioli duo is just pissed that dude was able to execute the ideas better.

No. 2554625

>>2554568
Yeah that was my point, the ideal would be having both a phone AND a computer, but there isn't much a computer offers you that a phone doesn't so kids/people nowadays prefer to just own a phone since it's more convenient for daily life and more or less have apps similar to a computer's utilities.

No. 2554736

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furfag artist who draws bara yiff has been arguing with some tranny apparently but idk who they meant

No. 2554743

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>>2554736
samefag he argued but already deleted everything

No. 2554745

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>>2554736
>>2554743
apparently he called that tiktok tranny a "he/him" and faggots are still crying about it
>Nick is known for his infamous cringe videos, where he purposely tries to get misgendered just to rant about it for clicks. More recently, he’s been filming himself in women’s bathrooms at Disney, “rating” them on camera.
sad the drama didnt even last

No. 2554761

>>>/ot/2554366
Holy ESL batman

No. 2554769

>>2554743
This is an insanely good point. Trannies are always okay with using "nigga" but the second you don't call them xer it's physical violence.
>>2554745
Absolute shame that this shit didn't last. The fire fizzled out despite having ample fodder.

No. 2554792

>>2554769
he probably relized theres too many trannies in the furry community and didnt want to lose customers out of controversy

No. 2554974

>>2554736
Weird to see a furfag of all things say it how it is about a TIM that isn't like an extremely bigoted and perverse edgelord. I'd almost say based if he wasn't such a coward and well…

No. 2555111

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>see a video about what female rape survivors were wearing when they were assaulted
>this moid’s reaction is to talk about how moids harassed him for his male feminist comic
Holy retardation

No. 2555125

>>2554743
most trannies are just racist former poltards tbh. they can be as racist as they want to everyone but as soon as you can them sir they start flipping tables.

No. 2555157

>>2555111
>me being boolied for a comic is the same as women and children being raped!
Clearly you don't hate yourself enough this might be a TIF but the deaf tone response leads me to believe this maybe be a moid

No. 2555160

>>2555157
>>2555111
Do both of you have no basic reading comprehension skills

No. 2555241

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>>2555157
>might be a tif
I think it’s clear just from the comic that he’s a moid

>>2555160
I initially read it the way he intended it, then upon watching the video I realized he’s retarded for bringing up his own drama, centering his own experience being harassed for making a corny comic about him becoming a misandrist ally, on a video about women who were raped as babies and children. He could’ve commented about the video itself, but he didn’t. He shared his stupid comic and how he was boolied for being a feminist ally on top of that. That’s attention whoring 101. And nothing you say for this moid will stop me from seeing him as yet another self-centered moid who finds ways to talk about himself when “advocating” for women

No. 2555378

>>2555160
He quite literally made it about himself. Why would you talk about getting mean comments for any other reason besides getting attention? He could have retweeted the video, talked about the video and in a seperate tweet talked about his fellow tards being tards.

No. 2555390

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Nonnas, what resolution/size/color profile do you work in when making art for print? And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok online? I’ve always made art digitally but have never printed my work before so I’m new to this. There are so many options, it’s overwhelming.

No. 2555494

>>2555390
sRGB and 300dp, usually art programs auto-size your canvas after you select the resolution and their preset printing sizes.

>And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok online

Simply have two copies, the sRBG for online and the CMYK for printing. I usually just draw normally and post online, then when it's time to print some of the drawings I change the color space to CMYK and ajust the colors so they're as close to the sRGB as posible. I tent to make various versions and print them out on a single sheet to pick which one looks the best.

No. 2555636

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27k likes calling elioli art delusional ooof

No. 2555700

>>2555636
This is crazy, ELIOLI has always been very well liked, sad and embarrassing to see them tank their reputation like this.

No. 2555755

>>2555636
i have to say im surprised by how fast and how many even some of their own fans called out their bullshit instead of the usual yesman shit you see with these uber popular artists. it really is a shame they really shouldve dealt with this privately but seeing how attentionwhorey both of the twins are being after the callout id say the early intuition about this being a prstunt was right(and only getting 100 likes on a 100k account…bots might be real)

No. 2555879

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I wonder if this artist is referring to the comments anons made last thread on >>2549779
It lines up perfectly kek, the tweet was posted last night, a few days after the artist was posted last thread. Unless people are complaining about this guy on twitter too?

No. 2555880

>>2555879
Is Meisharan actually a moid? Why does he give a fuck about what people say about him?

No. 2555966

>>2555879
Oh this person totally is in this thread lurking kek

No. 2556077

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>>2555636
The Elioli meltdown is hilarious, they deleted the callout post and then made an entire thread saying that they "are not bothered and will not change their stance" and "don't believe this will change their audience" but all tweets have locked comments and they've resorted to blocking and calling people "bots" kek. The best part is that there are now many posts showcasing how a lot of their Webcomic takes heavy inspiration from many Ghibli movie frames, scenes and themes and asking why is it okay for their Webcomic to knock off those scenes but when an indie creator does it it's plagiarism.

This is amazing, but also disappointing. I thought Elioli were better than that.

No. 2556173

>>2556077

absolutely loving how nobody is buying elioli's shit. i thought it would be a horde of whiteknights coming to their aid but instead a lot of their own followers seem to be turning on them and condemning their behavior. maybe the world is healing after all.

No. 2556226

>>2555755
>>2556173
From what I've seen before, Elioli seemed to have a more "professional"ish posting style that doesn't bring in as many parasocial 14 year olds. A lot of the popular younger artists act more like influencers and post every single tought that goes on in their heads so their fans are more invested in them as people and are more yes-man.

No. 2556233

>>2556077
their webcomic is nothing special, its pretentious and incoherent, it reads more like a storyboard than an actual webtoon, cosmo princess on the other hand looks better in comparison tbh, sounds like they got butthurt cause a small creator did it better than them

No. 2556304

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I hate to ask, but what are some useful videos to help understand color and how to use them? I'm quite overwhelmed and I'm lost on where to start improving. Right now, I struggle picking colors and my work ends up looking washed out and flat. I'd appreciate any recommendations!

No. 2556329

>>2556304
Marco Bucci is good for color theory

No. 2556335

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>>2556077
I'm still somewhat on the fence on the Elioli thing. The response from the creator of Cosmo Princess was somewhat weird. "Oh I never saw your art before, except this one time in which I did use something as inspo for one thing but I had no clue it was yours, because I found it on pinterest." >>2554366 also suggests they ran in similar circles, and he followed her for years.

I think the main proof it's not plagiarized is the fact that Cosmo Princess seems to have a clear plot based on the trailer (spaceboy sees big space princess) and I'm 5 issues into the webcomic and haven't seen any hint of plot yet.

Picrel just utterly confuses me though. I don't see obvious copying here at all, and yet this is claimed to be proof of him "implementing a background." This is also the image the Cosmo Princess artist admitted to seeing and using for inspiration, so why even cop to that? How many "purple pinky tinted scenery mountain" type pics can possibly exist? Millions? More? I don't know about you, but the mountains I live near always turn kind of purpley pinky every sunset. I think that's just how sunsets work.

No. 2556354

>>2556335
i think ELI's post was a bit paranoid and unhinged but tbh the reply from the artist of Cosmos Princess was obviously using chatgpt for a majority of his reply posts so I am still a bit suspicious of him as well. (I edit writing for money so I am very familiar with people using chatgpt and lying about it so the speech quirks are incredibly obvious to me)

No. 2556372

>>2555879
>>2555880
this fuels my belief that this artist is a woman

No. 2556376

>>2556372
some moids simply dont have a spine especially if theyre trying to bait woe is me pity asspats because theyre getting boolied by the haters. im not convinced just yet

No. 2556398

>>2556354
It could be me reaching but I'm pretty sure the guy speaks crappy english and is trying to use chatgpt to translate what he says into a proper response. Judging by how small his account was, his name is obviously french and there are some japanese texts in his account, I think he must be some frenchie with subpar english skills who must've moved to Japan. I only say this because I'm french myself and a lot of french people, even higher ups in companies, have pretty bad english and use AI/google translate to communicate sometimes.

No. 2556504

>>2556398
>It could be me reaching but I'm pretty sure the guy speaks crappy english and is trying to use chatgpt to translate what he says into a proper response.
nta that was 100% my guess. Both sides nave hilariously bad English. Starts to read as spaghetti word puke after a while when I think too much while reading it.

No. 2556696

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anons what sketchbooks do you use/have used and recommend? or have used and wouldnt use again? and why? im trying to choose but reviews arent helping and the brands seem a bit new so im not sure

No. 2556702

>>2556696
What medium are you using? What purpose? Gotta be more specific. Hell, I am a fan of printer paper, ballpoint pins, and mechanical pencils, and that satisfies me. Helps to buy a few IN PERSON so you can get a feel of the hot or cold press paper.

No. 2556733

>>2555494
Thank you nonna!

No. 2556744

>>2556226
Exactly, it’s what I’ve always liked about them, they let their work speak for itself. I’m still surprised to see so few defending them but the way they’ve handled this has been extremely disappointing. The doubling down is embarrassing

No. 2556765

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>>2556702
i was thinking about just using printer paper since i mostly use pencils or ballpoint pens, just for sketching and some figure drawings
Also have some alcohol markers but i was thinking of buying the canson brand ones cause i've seen other artists use it i know nothing about paper tbh

No. 2556773

>>2556696
Always a fan of Strathmore, although what's best is going to an art store IRL and feeling the paper with your hands. If you draw with pencil or other things that smear, get a bookbound sketchbook as the pages won't rub together when it's closed. I use rings for everything because I don't care but all my sketches get blurry after awhile because of it.

No. 2556804

Anyone else feeling a bit disillusioned with the whole artistic influences thing? Basically I mean that so many cool styles or looks are now heavily associated with like tiktok trends and irritating teenagers it feels trite, performative and "poser"ish to try and incorporate those elements into your art.

No. 2556822

>>2556804
yes when all it takes is some vindictive asshole to basically be mad at you for taking inspiration from anything at all. i make the shit i want to make anyway but it annoys me to constantly be surrounded by egotistical assholes who also copy things sometimes being mad that other people ever do similar themes as each other. and we’re all forced to never ever admit we find anyone’s art inspiring. i don’t get it. if artists like elioli are so fucking upset that some things are remotely similar to their thing then they should just stop posting their shit online. if you don’t want to share your art then don’t fucking share it. sorry nona i went slightly off from your point but that’s my art salt kek

No. 2556831

>>2556804
What elements specifically?

No. 2556842

>>2556831
Like 90s and 00s anime art, the look of 00s websites or design elements, 00s cartoons, dress up games or "girl" games, scene kid or mall goth look, flash cartoons and website, just any stuff that tends to be kind of trendy right now.
>>2556822
It is ridiculous. I saw someone making a joke that in order to not "copy someones artstyle" you would need to somehow forget that you ever saw their artwork in the first place. I think some artists are genuinely just psychos and if it wasn't the style thing they have in issue with they'd find something else to seethe about.

No. 2556879

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>>2556765
i started using canson sketchbooks (the green "drawing" type specifically) after drawing on printer paper for forever and i love em. ive casually used watercolor, acrylic paint, alcohol markers, reg markers in them and dont have any bleeding problems! The Sketch type is also good but the paper is considerably thinner. only issue ive had with them is the covers tearing at the spiral squares, but thats in my decade old ones and is easy to reinforce/keep from happening if youre aware of it.

No. 2556889

>>2556879
I second this.
>>2556765
Also I think it's neat that you use classic Godzilla for picrels kek

No. 2556924

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>>2556842
This specifically bothers me because 98% of the criticizers weren't even alive for these things. They don't have a right to them. They don't engage with them and copy the same few things. Having been around for all of the 90s and 2000s anime, the bad localizations, DiC sailor moon and Brock eating jelly doughnuts instead of rice balls, it's really exhausting to see your nostalgia be wrung out into a husk for the sake of trends and aesthetics. I could rant about this forever but I'm pissing myself off. Everything is a trend. The thing about the anime specifically is that people were so genuine before and now it's difficult to tell if someone even gives a shit or if they're just plastering their art with sticker scans and old anime because it's trendy or it they even know. I understand but I don't understand.

No. 2556941

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i'm confused, nonas… so confused. it's been a while since i visit these threads because i've been forgetting to backread, i enjoy going through them all. anyways, i've been struggling with growing an audience! yes i'm still a beginner but i've seen people in my skill level get at least 20 likes per piece… my twitter posts don't get to the double digits. i've been the most successful at getting attention in tumblr and i think it's because of the better algorithm, but twitter is still the bigger platform so i obviously want that x clout. i could just grind and git gud in private but i want the interaction! i want people acknowledging things like little details and things my art reminds them of and making discussions off that, i make fanart mostly so i value discussion. idk i like sharing stuff and the idea of seeing the stuff i do get lost in the void is very, very depressing, i don't want to be alone in my art journey. i want to write a webcomic but i've stopped myself from even starting with the script because i want to make sure at least a classroom worth of people are out there checking out my work.

maybe i'm extremely fucking unlucky because i see that even the people posted in cow threads get more engagement by posting shitty poorly written smut and navel-gazing "philosophy". i tag the shit out of my posts and try to add cheeky descriptions, but perhaps i'm missing something?

No. 2556948

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>>2556804
I agree that it's retarded but I also don't really care, this weird fixation on style and inspiration has been going on for decades now. I am inspired by a huge number of sources and media and I'm not being greatly inspired by any particular singular artist more than others. I consciously avoid trends and treat my media consumption like one would at a video store, browse > find something a bit interesting > watch/read/play > even if it's a bit shit get something out of it. I don't mean to sound snobbish but generally worries about copying (whether you're copying or someone is copying you) come from having a small or shallow media library and I find socmed and things like Pinterest (everyone in a niche are seeing the exact same things) really compounds that issue. I'm not saying I'm the most creative person in world because of this, or even particularly creative in any way, but I cannot stress how good finding your own sources is for you, artistically and generally.

No. 2556949

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>>2556773
>>2556879
>>2556889
thanks nonnies! yeah i love godzilla

No. 2556963

>>2556941
It sucks but if you want the discussion you often have to start it yourself. You need to get into the groove of just blogging into the void to try and get people to interact with you and eventually just send DMs to people you'd like to talk to to start the conversations and see if they're interested in talking about fandom stuff or artwork. It also helps to just imagine what it would be like to be asked about your artistic process for a piece and then put your response under as the description, even if it's short it can invite discussion. The person who's online persona is a confident Stacy is the one who gets to chat with friends.
I've also had a little bit more luck with Newgrounds. While the site is much smaller people are much more focused on interacting with each other and doing collabs and that can be an avenue for meeting people, but again, you usually have to be outgoing and shoot the first DM.

No. 2557205

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does anyone have any guides/suggestions about spotting blacks (figuring out where to put the large areas of black ink) for a western-style comic? i feel like i'm pretty good when it comes to drawing strong contours, but i'm totally lost when i try to go beyond that and fill stuff in.

No. 2557208

>>2557205
the writing content isn't good but Sin City does a good job with that (in a very stylized manner). Maybe you can use that for inspo.

No. 2557210

>>2557205
I recently found this exercise and I think it might help you

No. 2557229

>>2556376
Most of his fanbase is female he's just trying to bait them into saying they're sorry for him like the retard handmaidens they are

No. 2557262

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I never had an online art presence before, one day I want to start to share my art publicly on social media and gain traction but seeing how big digital artists get retarded callouts and cancellations over nothing, is it really worth it? I also get easily addicted to any positive online attention and I'm scared that popularity will ruin my mental health and self-awareness

No. 2557295

>>2557262
The callous of social media's negative sides grows eventually. How effective it is probably depends on the person. Could do like Eastern artists and DFE every time you get too big kek

No. 2557342

>>2557262
There's genuinely no point in being scared of popularity before you've made even one post. You will most likely not get uber popular and if you don't hang out in discord servers with bippies and/or degenerates you won't have to worry about anything happening to you.

No. 2557409

>>2556842
If those are the things that you really like and want to express and represent in your art please don't like others stop you. Maybe you should block some of the bigger artist or get off of tiktok and let the media from the era and your memory of it inspire you. Don't get caught up in what's popular. I get over saturation dilutes the uniqueness of things, but if it's important to you stick to it, and if you think it's truly good work then it should be able to endure as good work even well after nostalgia trends change

No. 2557616

Sometimes I feel like I'm doing art wrong. What I worry about, others seem to not care. What those here worry about, however, seem… pointless.

No. 2557701

>>2557616
Ok Yoda

No. 2557722

>>2557616
would you be more specific? in any case, no, there's no wrong way to do art unless you draw lolishit. why do you need people on lolcow to tell you that?

No. 2557736

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>>2557616
Remember your roots of what got you started…. Everyone talks about fundamentals of art… but nobody talks about the foundations of why you began.

No. 2557806

>>2556335
To me it looks like he said he’d never seen elioli’s art before because he wasn’t familiar with that project, then elioli pushed about that specific image comparison and he went back to his Pinterest reference boards and discovered that he had unknowingly saved & referenced elioli’s work, and not remembered because he was unaware that was even their art. Obviously he could be lying about how much he was aware of/remembered it, but it’s not automatically suspicious to me. Also following someone on Twitter =\= constantly keeping up with their work as it develops, or even being aware of them outside of ”industry professional in a similar area to yourself”. I think artists online get too paranoid about plagiarism and see it when it’s not necessarily there. This is compounded by drama driving engagement and artists trying to stir up drama in the hopes of going viral and having their work noticed as a result. Not saying plagiarism isn’t an issue, it very much is (especially with the incestuous environment of art communities online & TikTok/twitter zoomers), but it’s also a convenient accusation to stir up this sort of engagement-bait.

No. 2558634

>>2557722
>why do you need people on lolcow to tell you that?
Nona there was not a single question mark there. Please stop projecting your insanity. I was referring to things such as worrying about style or something shallow like attracting only a certain audience, where I just wanna know how some artists are able to have a consistent gallery that lacks significant anatomic or compositional issues. I only seem to notice problems later on and want to DFE, yet nobody ever mentions having that issue. I just made a statement.
You don't have to tell me how to feel nona. It's okay.
>>2557736
>but nobody talks about the foundations of why you began.
A good point.

No. 2558672

>>2558634
>there was not a single question mark there
No one knows how to read it's amazing

>how some artists are able to have a consistent gallery that lacks significant anatomic or compositional issues

I know you're not asking for advice but I just want to throw out, I think it's best to take a long break after drafting the image, or even wait a long while at the half way point of a drawing so you can look at it with fresh eyes. If you even feel like it and your work is digital and thus easier to manipulate, why not just take all these images in your gallery and rework them slightly (in the case of bad anatomy, I feel like compositional issues are generally harder to fix especially in busier drawings) well after the fact.

No. 2558803

>>2556335
lol I’ve always felt like I unfairly found them off-putting, mainly from when i watched them on tumblr forever ago, because of how open they were about their religion and the vibe that ~god blessed them with this talent to further his word~ and the fact they worked on veggie tales. I haven’t kept up with them over the years but seeing them crop up with this sort of drama reinforces my petty judgement.

No. 2558804

Is chrishongart just filthy rich? She posts art once in a blue moon, but every other week she's going on an expensive trip somewhere. Yeah I know she's one of those big artists and genuinely very skilled, but how is her actual content sustainable enough? She doesn't have a bf to say that she's leeching off his money. Is her passive income from gumroad, youtube, artbooks and her shop enough to live so well??

No. 2558899

Is it strange for someone raised in the 2000s to create content inspired by that era? I enjoy animation from the 90s and 2000s, but I find it odd when kids from the 2010s imitate it.

No. 2558908

>>2558899
It's not strange for someone raised in that time to do it. I prefer it that way because it's more real, I think. I also find 2010 (jesus christ that makes me feel old) kids imitating the styles from the 90's and 2000's odd, but that just means the styles were cute and worthy of bringing back. There's no charm in today's mainstream animation anyway.

No. 2558917

>>2558908
Honestly, this is why I don't mind kids of today loving y2k stuff.
I'd only ask if they'd do their research or at least not shove gendie shit everywhere? I remembered playing a game where one third of the cast were some kind of gendie special despite that only ever existing in super niche circles or just didn't exist?

No. 2558943

>>2558803
Kek no that’s fair, I enjoy their work but the Christian shit creeped me out as well. Didn’t they have a whole human Veggietales au?

No. 2559030

>>2558917
What does doing research on the 2000s even mean to you people? Kids literally just have scans of old magazines and some archived myspace pages to go by and they obviously won't want to break current societal norms just for muh realism

No. 2559116

>>2559030
nta but I mean there are books, documentaries, news reports, even old websites and forums if you know where to look from that era that can give you a lot of insight into how life used to be. this is not some lost age of history lol.

No. 2559118

>>2559030
nta I think sometimes it gets a bit tired when people try to claim that a piece of work (like a ARG) was based on the era, but after doing little to no browsing of things made during that time, it has inconsistencies (gendie shit, references to real world events that didn't occur yet, characters have opinions that counter the political climate at the time) and it does break the immersion. But this is only for projects that are narrative in nature. Think Welcome Home or whatever. If they just think the artstyle is cool and want to copy it, I doubt anyone cares.

No. 2559293

nonas i feel so betrayed that none of the people i attacked last year in artfight revenged me..this is your lesson to never attack popular artists who join the event and they get 372726488483 free art of their ocs but will only do like 2 defenses at most kek. i’m just gonna revenge the people who attack me, that way i have nothing to lose

No. 2559389

>>2558899
>but I find it odd when kids from the 2010s imitate it
Alot of these kids have older siblings and cousins that were raised in that era, and still play its music, talk talk about the shows, have old merch or toy or whatever with stuff from the time on it. Just like how 2000s kids grew up listening to 90s music. Old trends linger and still influence people

No. 2559420

>>2559293
And you attacked more than one popular artist before you noticed this? But I get it, I made that same mistake in my first year and I'm still kind of upset kek. That person didn't even bother to leave a comment

No. 2559458

>>2559420
well i think two were actual popular artists, at least one of them had a lot of followers on twitter. the rest were just artfight popular, meaning they got a lot of attacks but weren’t really popular on social media. this one artist i attacked isn’t even all that, their style and art is meh and the only reason why i attacked them was because i just bookmarked any interesting character in my subscription tab (we follow each other). the audacity of this mediocre artist not even revenging me back, oh the horror kek.
anyway i was so naive, i don’t even use the bookmark feature anymore because there’s no point. im sick of pouring my heart and soul into an attack only to not get revenged and watch this same person continue to attack other people. yeah i know that no one is obliged to attack you back in artfight but wow, not getting a single revenge from like the 5-10 attacks i did from the bookmarks that i bothered collecting and planning really opened my eyes

No. 2559468

>>2559293
When I first tried artfight I just drew for really mediocre artists/obvious teens posting their donut steals, I didn't have OCs or anything and just wanted to use it for practice

No. 2559578

>>2559468
based. you got practice in while making some kids happy

No. 2559651

>>2559578
I'd recommend it for any nonny that just wants to practice or do warmups because I did get some nice thank you messages

No. 2559801

Nonnas, is it retarded that your main motivation for getting good is because you're horny for this one guy? I want to draw more of him but that requires a deeper understanding of male anatomy, fashion, and maybe composition to get it just right. I hate myself for being this way…

No. 2559806

>>2559293
This is the way… and I feel that if you state on your profile that you're prioritizing revenge, people may feel more inclined to attack you.

Though I will say that I've been on the other end where I receive more art than I can keep up with and I feel so bad about it (I attack as much as I can… I usually manage something around 20 attacks per year), but I always always always try to write big long comments to everyone so they know they're appreciated. It sucks when you spend time on an attack and the receiver doesn't even respond.

I will admit I do turn my nose up a little at popular artists who hype up their art fight profiles and only ever draw like 2 pictures while they receive a billion kek

>>2559468
The best! I utilized the bookmark folder feature this year to slowly collect "baby artists" to attack.

No. 2559807

>>2559801
imo, no, maybe you'll even make a habit of consistently practicing beyond your interest for him
> I hate myself for being this way…
why? you're not doing anything bad

No. 2559887

>>2559807
I'm on my time of month. It's really making me hornier than before kek. it's the people that make me feel bad for feeling this way especially for someone that's actually physically attractive.

No. 2560004

Absolutely tired from dealing with tranny artists. Figured I'd give it one more shot (retard that I am), thinking maybe, just maybe, there's a diamond in the rough, someone on the edge of peaking. Instead, found myself in an absolute cesspit where I was the only cishet bitch in there. None of them can fucking draw (big surprise) despite being a mix of TIMs and TIFs. I'm not even that good and I was the best one in the server. Bleak. Fucking bleak. Fujoshit server too, so I was HOPING someone sane was in it, but that fujo to gendie pipeline is so dangerously real that I am considering those that didn't fall down that path to be in the minority. A dying breed. Day 1 just drenched in gendie bullshit, cis insults, het allergies.
Like, damn, I get it, they hate cis. But living rent free in a fucking artist's brain like that is unhealthy, sad, and pathetic. I can't wait until these brainless shitwads move on to the next hyperfixation and I finally find my people.

No. 2560032

>>2559468
nta Yeah, I have done so many art trades with randos to realize I actually hate receiving art, since the number of incompetent artists is higher than the number of competent artists. If I want art I'll draw it myself. It's nicer to just do for others and see the little beginners or children smile because you rendered something for them.

No. 2560033

>>2560004
I'll be your artist friend nona. GC fujos need to stick together and stand against the gender cancer in our hobby

No. 2560036

>>2560033
I'd like that, honestly. I'm still so fucking bitter that we all have to remain anonymous because these fucking beasts won't just stay in their lane and let us stay in ours. I want to talk to normal artists, even if fellow NEETs, because I'm so tired of it coming up in every fucking conversation I have in the wild.

No. 2560056

>>2560036
I can post in the friend finder thread if you want

No. 2560077

>>2560056
Please forgive my paranoia nona. Maybe after this month we could try that thread.

No. 2560270

>>2557262
I’m having kind of the same problem, sharing your art online looks fun, but I’m scared of people using my art to train AI or like… doing those edgy edits people do with Grok on twitter where they add like shit to your drawing. I think I’d cry like a little bitch, kek.

No. 2560381

What sex is baladasathar, I am bad at I'd an artist sex

No. 2560398

>>2560270
> edgy edits people do with Grok on twitter where they add like shit to your drawing.
Block grok now if you haven’t already so the bot won’t be able to reply and generate. Everyone should block grok honestly, even non artists.
>>2557262
Also nonas, don’t worry about callouts or ai training. Chances are, you’ll never be as big and famous enough for that to happen, sorry if this is a backhanded statement but even famous artists don’t really have ai trained on their work, it’s just the people with unique and recognizable styles I guess. And if you’ve been following the threads recently, there’s been discussion on how even “big” callouts ultimately do nothing since people are quick to forget and move on. For example, that pedo moid guy discussed in last thread where nonas were trying to figure out his gender and it turns out he already had a google doc on him, but he’s been posting on two new accounts just fine now.
And look at the juby and genice drama, after that disastrous callout doc juby released, the two have already quieted down and have been posting art normally now. Some people might think of them differently, but ultimately no one is spawn camping their replies calling them a weirdo or anything like that. And the two have been extremely famous in the digital art community for years.
Even famous artists in the industry like Rebecca sugar and omocat have had so much dirt on them from the past years but they’re still posting normally, sure there are some discussions about their negative past deeds that come up but it doesn’t really cancel them, I’ve seen tweets about that new steven universe show spinoff and nothing about Rebecca’s “omg but do u remember when she drew ed edd n eddy porn????” on my timeline, most people already know and there’s nothing left to discuss

No. 2560403

>>2560398
Blocking grok doesn't do shit because those trolls tend to just download your art, post it in your replies and then get grok to add whatever onto it, thereby ignoring the block since grok's technically not responding to you directly. Locking your replies might be better although they could do this in qrts too. Maybe just use any other platform other than Xitter

No. 2560407

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>>2560403
Twitter became such a terrible social media for artists over the years and it's getting worse. Can't have shit in art community

No. 2560421

Are there any platforms worth joining? I'm fine with leaving western platforms too. No matter what I do on Twitter, tumblr,Instagram I still see the same retardation.

No. 2560431

>>2560421
Is bluesky not worth it? It's been fine for me as that site where I post shit and fuck off but in terms of a community, I really don't wanna get into hot water for the shit I like. I'm in the middle of the egg shell trenches over there.

No. 2560432

>>2560431
Art on bluesky barely gets any attention if you're not an already popular artist and it infested with troons

No. 2560437


No. 2560461

>>2560421
on twitter, i simply just mute (or block if you prefer) any accounts that only tweet about politics and those famous meme pages with blue checkmarks. basically, just keep using the mute/block feature liberally to curate your timeline. mine has been better after muting accounts that post content i don’t want to see. when i first started doing this, i was muting accounts left and right but these days i don’t have to mute as much since i got most of the annoying spammy accounts.
be sure to make use of your muted words and phrases feature too. also i did this to mainly clean up my “for you” tab, if you go to your following tab which is chronological then your feed shouldn’t be messy at all, it really depends on what the people you follow tweet and share.
i only browse the for you tab because it shows viral art posts that i would’ve missed if i only browsed my following tab, because these damn people only like tweets and never rt them. the for you tab will often show posts that other people you follow like, it’s helpful since likes were made private so you can’t browse someone’s likes to discover more art

No. 2560475

>>2560461
Unfortunately there's a lot of retards who like to brag and celebrate about how some person blocked them on twitter like it's some achievement. It's better to just ignore them

No. 2560512

>>2560421
Twitter and Tumblr are liveable if you have a shitton of browser add-ons and filters actually. I cannot understand a WORD on my Followijg tab on Twitter kek. It's all moon runes and pretty pictures. And since I follow mostly women fujos they like it when I throw a comment or two on their art, since everyone following them is too shy. But still eggshells from autistic moids are afoot; if you draw ship art, you get threats.
Tumblr is okay if you are in the right fandoms. But that usually is only doable if you're experienced with the places they frequent.

No. 2560528

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Is Plastiboo a man or woman?

No. 2560605

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This fake lesbian coomer’s denial and terrible art is so annoying. Funny she has 538k followers but not a single artist I know of/follow acknowledges her anymore. Some used to follow her in her early twitter years before she blew up(very mediocre art, just less coom), but gradually unfollowed/broke mutuals as she dove further into drama and coomslop. Ironically she used to be obsessed with her ugly scalie yaoi ocs kek, but pivoting to coombait “yuri” gave her more attention.

No. 2560677

>>2560528
I always registered them as a woman. Why are there so many of these fucking questions? It's not even salt. Is it the same fucking anon every time? Like, shit, get together your own investigation crew ffs. Starting to get paranoid thinking these are all selfposts to do a litmus test of how accurate LC's gender radar is.

No. 2560720

Anyone else feel like you either get told you're "naturally talented" and that dismisses all your hard work and practice, or you kind of get told your talent is your ability to work hard so you're still being dismissed. People going like "well I could never do all that work, you're just so disciplined" as if being hard working is something inherent you have and not actually literally hard work. Both are just ways to say "that's easy for YOU to do" when it wasn't

No. 2560730

>>2560605
I'm so glad the words "gooner" and "goonerbait" exist. It riles up porn addicts in a way "coomer" doesn't. Why are these types of artists so insistent on calling their obvious goonerslop "a study on intimacy" or a feminist way of taking back pleasure yada yada or any BS excuse. They're like lolicons screaming from the mountains that they aren't pedophiles for masturbating to rape doujins featuring 2D children.

No. 2560785

>>2560605
>lesbians
>character with male structure, no breasts and big ass penis
Can't these types just accept that they like hetero sex?

No. 2560810

>>2560720
When people say you're better than them, it's because they're complimenting you. miss autismo…

No. 2560824

>>2560720
from non-artists i dont really care, all theyre trying to do is compliment you, not be a dick. if an another artist said that to me id just be confused i think.

No. 2560855

Weirdly sinister vibe

No. 2560860

>>2560512
can you share what browser add-ons and filters you are using?

No. 2560879

>>2560605
Is she even gay? Like, some of this feels oddly preformative and not at all like how real lesbians drawn intimate content.

No. 2560936

>>2560855
Wish she’d draw something other than herself. Tired of looking at her dumpy ass

No. 2561022

File: 1749761954178.png (131.75 KB, 720x1201, 1000037224.png)

New scam alert. Be careful, nonnies.

No. 2561029

>>2560528
I assumed it's a man

No. 2561050

>>2560810
>When people say you're better than them, it's because they're complimenting you. miss autismo…
Strongly disagreed, people who say "omg you're so good, I totally suck" are not actually complimenting someone they're just using it as a cover while actually looking for asspats. And it's always dripping of jealousy and low self-esteem. At least imo it's easy to tell the difference when your mom in awe goes "omg honey you're so good at art, I could never!" compared to a noob clearly moping around with their "my art sucks"-baiting wanting you to instead praise them.

No. 2561132

>>2561022
this sounds like any other instagram art scam that used to comment on any small artists page but it sounds even more retarded
>We'd love to gift you a few of our exclusive pieces for free
what?

No. 2561231

How do you guys make friends with other artists? I've always been happy keeping to myself online, but some recent shit with my husband has made me realize for the sake of my safety, I both need more friends and business connections to get freedom from him, should it come to that.

No. 2561247

>>2560810
Agreed, it annoys me a lot when people are petty like this about compliments. Sometimes I see artists complain that people online don't engage with art anymore like they used to, and genuinely my personal tinfoil is that this was caused by years and years of e-artists tone policing compliments.

No. 2561270

>>2561231
I've had some luck with just DMing people going "hey do you want to chat about (ship/art related subject/hobby related subject/etc.)" and then just try to go from there.

No. 2561384

>>2561231
I’m a huge reply guy. Reply gal. People love getting comments on their art and blog posts. If you are funny and friendly in their comments then you will make friends quickly. I befriend a lot of popular artists and personalities who are “out of my league” too, just by commenting and treating them like I would anyone else.

No. 2561391

>>2561231
Does it have to be artist friends specifically? Art friends are great but you’re in a situation where you may need to leave, I don’t think you should limit yourself to such a specific niche for finding support.

No. 2561393

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all platforms seem so ass tbh i dont even know where to post, twitter seems impossible without fotm meme shit or genshin kek , tumblr seems hard to get by unless you reblog and interact with a lot of stuff, bluesky has all the paraphiliacs that got ran off of twitter and deviantart is just bad, i know im just being whiny but idk everything seems so ass right now
ignoring my complaints, what would you nonnas say is best? does it depend mostly on what type of art you post?

No. 2561397

>>2561393
instagram is where everyone is, apparently

No. 2561399

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>>2561397
wtf didnt they say they'd stop posting there because they didnt understand the ai stuff or something?? are artists just rotating platorms now?

No. 2561402

>>2561397
I hate Instagram so much

No. 2561405

>>2561393
Tumblr hasn't been awful for me tbh. I prefer their tagging system opposed to every other platform because it feels like your posts are more likely to be seen. I've posted fan art on a new blog there recently that has done decently well.

No. 2561426

>>2561397
i fucking hated insta. the quality is destroyed over there, i tend to do transparent/no background and ofc that gets wrecked over there too, your pieces get cropped if they dont fit their limited resolution options and the only likes i got were from my friend, in other platforms at least i get up to 5. that app is for photography not illustrations.

No. 2561447

>>2561405
Samefag, if you're only concerned about reach I'd say give TikTok a chance. It's where my stuff has done the best. My biggest gripe are annoying teenagers but I'm block happy and TikTok tends to filter out particularly awful comments so it hasn't been too terrible. Tumblr is definitely quieter though.

No. 2561452

>>2561397
Instagram has a normie userbase which means if I draw OC aesthetic sort of contents I get a lot of reach but crickets otherwise. I do like the (not completely ofc) lack of insanity compared to art Twitter at least.
My only complaint is that it can crunch quality really bad if you're using the lite version for whatever fucking reason so all my pics look like potatoes kek
>>2561405
Are people still rabid fandom tards on Tumblr? I thought about trying to join again but I'm worried about drawing fanart of things and then getting some weirdo harassing me for not drawing their OTP the right way. Used to get weirdos spamming gore in my ask and reblogs for it not fun

No. 2561462

>>2561452
>Are people still rabid fandom tards on Tumblr?
Hm. Kinda? Fandomtards are inescapable on any platform but I feel like it's a bit more tolerable there since the userbase has gotten smaller and significantly older. Ridiculous fandom drama doesn't happen like it did in the 2010s anymore and you can turn off replies and reblogs now if you don't want anyone bothering you.

No. 2561474

>>2560605
A good old dick in vagina lesbian.

No. 2561482

Does anybody else here ever go on picarto and see the danish guy who is drawing crash bandicoot loli art almost every single day? id respect the grind if he wasnt drawing sexy children with the weirdest anatomy ever. he sounds like a total soyboy also

No. 2561483

>>2561474
I would literally bet my entire house and my families' houses that IdolMantises has never been in physical contact with a vagina.

No. 2561495

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>>2561482
Doublepost sorry but what the fuck am i looking at here? how do you draw a body this broken looking? and this guy literally draws everyday and still has such atrociously bad anatomy skills and eyerape rendering… its almost impressively shitty.

No. 2561498

>>2561483
Of course not. She's never touched her own.

No. 2561507

>>2561495
This is peak male art. Great rendering, but completely soulless and sex obsessed. He even represented himself as a chicken (cock)

No. 2561516

>>2561507
its very peak autism male really. bright eyerape colors, sexualized characters, childrens media, it has it all

No. 2561543

>>2561393
Twitter is still the best, you can get a decent following there you just need to find your niche or a consistent topic or whatever thing to draw about.
>Make your account about girls and bugs
>Then draw and post a girl holding a centipede, then draw and post a girl holding a moth, then draw and post a bug-girl-hybrid, then draw and post a butterfly
>Big artists retweet you
>Grow following
It's that easy.

No. 2561562

>>2561495
nonnas I can't figure out what's wrong with the anatomy. Have I been brainwashed?

No. 2561571

>>2561562
I think that the torso and the hips are disjointed. One is going one way and the other another, so the character is broken. I think that's it? Not so easy to detect at first glance though

No. 2561572

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>>2561495
This nigga follows nick fuentes in his twitter kek

No. 2561573

>>2554023
>hamletmachine
Omg that is a name I haven't heard about in years. I admire her progress and work ethic.

No. 2561585

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>>2561483
Definitely not

No. 2561737

>>2561585
Does anyone remember back when kinblr was a thing and everyone was making fun of her for liking angry birds porn? Ever since then whenever I see her online that's all I think about.

No. 2561779

>>2561572
Faggots following faggots nothing new there

No. 2561892

>>2561737
Same lol. Didn’t she also have some drama with Ang Vondra/Handsomehugs?

No. 2561912

>>2561585
KEK like clockwork

No. 2561945

>>2560810
Self-depricating compliments help no one. If you do this, stop. >>2560860
uBlock, some XKit fix, definitely uBlock's element hider. The new Xkit has some neat features in it. (sorry I'm not more specific; on mobile atm)
>>2561562
Lacks the natural bunching of skin. I think the nonas are blowing it way out of proportion. It's off but it isn't as bad as some other things posted in the bad art thread. Coom art plus probably vendetta posting or something.

No. 2562105

>>2561945
Kek did you even look at the picture, her spine is completely broken. Get on the floor and try to do that pose

No. 2562140

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>>2562105
Like I said. Lacks the natural bunching of skin. It's possible, raise the leg a bit. There's no fucking way my cripple ass is more flexible than every other nona itt. If you can redline it better, PLEASE do. I am dead serious when I said, and I quote,
>It's off but it isn't as bad as some other things posted in the bad art thread.

No. 2562161

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>>2562140
samefag TIL I learned that my flexibility is not normal.

No. 2562184

>>2562161
hEDS gurl

No. 2562190

>>2561562
Honestly, nothing. Its stylized because its a cartoon. No one looks at porn for realistic anatomy kek.

No. 2562206

>>2562184
ayrt Ain't no fucking way.

No. 2562217

>>2561029
>>2560528
A man, or at the very least a convincing tif. They have posted themselves wearing a mask etc in the past

No. 2562240

>>2561507
I would kill for skills like that so I finally draw bishes in lingerie for the rest of my life…

No. 2562241

>>2562240
dont let your dreams just be dreams nonnies. Seeing cumbrained obviously low iq autistic moids develop amazing art skills is proof anyone can become a great artist with enough hard work. Whenever i feel i am too retarded for art i think about that esl vorefag moid that had amazing art and used his talent to draw depraved vore art.

No. 2562352

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Is there a place to talk 3D art? I want to talk 3D portfolios and education, etc, but places like /3/ are full of slop and I get nervous on non-anon sites, the industry & hobby is also littered with moids. Closest I remember is /m/'s gamedev thread but it wasn't quite about sharing/discussing 3D work from what I remember, and this thread is very much focused on 2D

No. 2562378

>>2562140
Homie, is that you?

No. 2562671

>>2562378
? Like Homie can draw basic anatomy outside of four poses

No. 2562678

>>2562140
I was the one who posted it and yeah its not an impossible pose just drawn in a really weird-looking way that makes her torso and hips look disconnected/snapped. The version you did looks a lot better, i think the folding on the midtorso area helps sell it better. Although if i drew this i'd probably have the lower leg more bent under the body? I posted this guy because ive seen him streaming on picarto almost daily for years and yet his anatomy skills still looks like.. that. he's even a coomer who has thousands of naked women pictures saved but still cant draw a pose like that naturally? its just crazy to me. Why do coom artists always have below-average anatomy skills despite constantly drawing naked people?

No. 2562701

>>2562378
I just drew the eyes to look similar to the original. I usually draw beefy roided up moids (like in the personal creations thread). No amputees here, sorry kek
>>2562678
>Why do coom artists always have below-average anatomy skills despite constantly drawing naked people?
The thing I don't understand is their intentional omissions of things that women naturally have. Maybe they're looking at photoshopped images as a reference? I think I've come across this guy on picarto myself and brushed him off. It's a shame, but that site is primarily for coomer streams.

No. 2562714

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does anybody remember bronzecatworld? i used to think his art was amazing and really charming back in the old tumblr days. but now when i look back on it he honestly had insanely creepy groomer pedo energy

No. 2563166

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I get kind of jealous of artists who have good aesthetic sense for graphic design. I have no idea how and why people know to choose all the cool effects and borders, placement, color palettes, etc. Like yeah I know how to draw pretty well but I'd probably write my character bios in comic sans if it wasn't the most widely memed bad font I'm legit fucking clueless no exaggeration. I really want to do some cool looking arts and crafts stationary drawings (collages?) but I swear to god the artist sensibilities I have do not translate over at all

No. 2563177

>>2563166
I have the same problem. You can look at all that cool artwork, website designs and scrapbooks and then when it comes down to drawing all those interesting ideas just fly out of your head. The best I can think of doing is just taking something I like and then just ripping off elements directly, like the border, but I've tried to drop that kind of habit from my artwork.

No. 2563235

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>>2562714
Tosh is actually the reason i found out about Lolcow lol, he was always obsessed with innocence and the art little kids posted online and constantly orbited and interacted with them, theres no way he wasn't raped as a kid or something.
Why is it that it is always the artists obsessed with accuracy and with painterly styles that are always the most degenerate crazy motherfuckers ever? He was great at what he did despite everything, but he is a faggot and should never come back online.

No. 2563259

>>2562701
I've hanged out in the guys stream for a while, he uses insta-thots for reference

No. 2563272

>>2562352
I actually really like 3d artwork and would enjoy a thread on it, the worst I suppose could happen is that it ends up not being super active

No. 2563325

>>2562140
You gave him way too much leeway. Her shoulders are completely disjointed from her lumpy sausage body in his artwork. It reminds me of those barbies with the jointed upper torso when you twist them as far as they can go

No. 2563328

File: 1749878983193.webp (194.96 KB, 1024x768, Air_Gear.webp)

What are some artists with very realistic rendering that still maintain a fairly simple anime style? i know its a hated style here but moeface paired with very detailed clothes and rendering is my end goal.

No. 2563331

>>2563166
>>2563177
Here, try this.
>Download some sort of collage collecting program (like PureRef).
>Find everyone you think "does it right".
>Gather up all your favorite refs that make you feel good.
>Go back over and try to find out what specific thing you like about that piece (coloring, textures, color scheme, etc) and write it down on the side.
>When you go to make things, reference your notes and your inspirations.
>Copy what they do (if they chose two specific colors, choose similar colors that are not the same). Do this for like a year or a year and a half.
>Look back on your old art to compare your journey.
>Success

No. 2563339

>>2563235
I remember on deviantart he would always be interacting with really young kids, like younger than 10 years old, sometimes doing trade or collabs with them. Pretty damn creepy in hindsight
>Why is it that it is always the artists obsessed with accuracy and with painterly styles that are always the most degenerate crazy motherfuckers ever?
strangely true

No. 2563357

File: 1749882829034.jpeg (1.01 MB, 750x1180, IMG_5682.jpeg)

has anyone else seen these obvious pedobait shorts on youtube made by a korean moid? the animations will have the most obnoxious bouncy coomer style with the female characters in short revealing dresses, and in suggestive poses. most of the comments will act like it’s the most wholesome thing despite the fact that it’s so painfully obvious it was drawn in a sexual light. there are some “cute and funny [crying emoji]” comments so it’s not like everyone is completely oblivious. it’s grim that these get millions of views though, there’s no doubt a bunch of children that see these and i wouldn’t be surprised if some grew up to be the next generation of pedo lolicons. kill all moids tbh

No. 2563380

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>>2563328
Lately, I've been enjoying how danmei/Chinese BL-adjacent artists + fandom have handle it since it tends to have a more feminine and less blown-out touch compared to the Japanese styles (as I noticed it's more prevalent with ecchi artists like the illustrator you posted), though your mileage may vary. Picrel is one of many examples I could give.

I have no one particular artist to recommend, since I tend to study moreso within the genre I want to emulate than an individual for too long. I honestly think it's a great style with good potential; it's just that most of the examples we see have been pandering to scrotes who are prone to symbol drawing, and it takes that form accordingly.(fujosperging outside containment)

No. 2563392

>>2563380
I think you posted the wrong pic

No. 2563418

>>2563392
The pic I posted was an example of what I've been studying that has kind of the "moeish face and realistic bodies" look to it, at least to me. I like the style, too, but wanted some better sources/examples to study.

OP's pic is by oh!Great, who I wanted to contrast my example against.

No. 2563428

>>2563380
I wouldn't consider those clothes realistically rendered. Just pretty standard for animanga illustration styles

No. 2563479

File: 1749896748109.jpg (496.53 KB, 1280x1280, Akihiko-Yoshida-3-Bravely-Defa…)

>>2563428
What exactly do you mean? The other picture is just ink and copic, which is also standard animanga style. A lot of "realism" comes from structure and placement of your chosen medium.
Anyway, Akihiko Yoshida might be more along your lines. He has a wide range that often dips into the moe-face, deeply rendered details everywhere else that could lend itself to realism. YMMV though.

No. 2563534

Do you ever think about how rich people really control the art world? If they decide to pay for it, it's worth money and becomes notable art. Kinda pisses me off even if it's always been this way.

No. 2563537

File: 1749904191074.jpg (1.21 MB, 1055x1946, Gm3tLkxacAADdVa.jpg)

>>2563380
Thats a cute pic but i meant something more like picrel

No. 2563551

>>2563537
I get it now! Every named person I can think of has a similar style, but opts for a flatter or stylized coloring. As in, they're capable of it, but it's not what they chose for their portfolio. Sorry about that.

No. 2563559

>>2562352
I am currently learning 3D and 3D animation, I would love a thread.

No. 2563580

>>2563534
But that's just the gallery art niche, no?
>>2563559
Same, i would love a 3D thread.

No. 2563614

File: 1749909977311.webp (14.45 KB, 600x800, giacometti-pointing-man-christ…)

>>2563534
I wonder why they choose to pay for ugly shit instead of something that actually looks good and has skill put into it? Norman Rockwell originals are often cheaper than modern art diahrea. Why the fuck would you pay 140 million dollars for this hideous shit absolutely no one gives a shit about? i legit dont get it.

No. 2563623

>>2563614
Sometimes I tinfoil that the modern art world is just a money laundering scheme.

No. 2563629


No. 2563647

>>2563614
Money laundering meme aside, some people just want something different or are buying into an idea. Clients will choose pieces for reasons as simple as "it matches my decor" or "wow, I've never seen that before," even if that means buying something "less skilled."Just look at artists like Van Gogh who are interesting to look at but aren't necessarily the most skilled when compared to their peers, throw in the le sad story to go and you've got yourself a multi-million dollar painting.

No. 2563696

File: 1749914089240.jpeg (81.78 KB, 736x1030, b2f04351-f3cf-4952-8ccd-1ad375…)

When you draw a character on the background, do you start to draw the character or background first?

No. 2563699

>>2563696
Who's the artist?

No. 2563708

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>>2563699
kanikumitoi

No. 2563715

>>2563699
ntayrt but i just found them here https://www.instagram.com/kanikumitoi/

No. 2563725

>>2563708
The other drawing looked amazing but this one looks plastic and soulless. I wonder why.

No. 2563731

>>2563725
some of the stuff on their insta looks good but both of theses look like a bunch of drawn over CSP assets

No. 2563824

File: 1749919411554.jpeg (57.26 KB, 427x500, IMG_1243.jpeg)

Sorry if this is the wrong thread but does anyone know who drew this image? It’s done its rounds on the internet as an “aesthetic” image but I really like the painting style (I assume it’s digital) and would love to see the brush strokes up close. If anyone has a higher res image of it (I can only find low res reposts) that would also be greatly appreciated. I’m struggling to create texture in digital paintings and trying to create a better reference library of artists who do it well imo, I dislike the really shiny smooth rendering everyone praises now.

No. 2563853

>>2563824
Looks like Yoshitaka Amano's art

No. 2563881

File: 1749923006361.jpg (205.81 KB, 515x575, jj2.jpg)

>>2563696
It depends. If it's a standalone drawing, I'll start with the character like 60% of the time. If I'm doing something like a comic panel where I'm more concerned with some element of the environment being visible or the focus, then I'll start with that. I'm often doing both though. I'm not very good at visualizing complicated pictures in my head, so I'm often figuring out the composition as a whole at the beginning sketch stages. After the more foundational work is done, I usually go background -> characters since rendering characters is always the easier and more fun part for me and I'm liable to not finish the picture if I don't tackle the background first.

>>2563824
It's definitely not the same artist, but the texture in this image reminds me a lot of Tadahiro Uesugi's works if that's helpful to you. fwiw, I feel like the small resolution size + a mild amount of jpeg compression is an important ingredient in this aesthetic that I think is overlooked (at least if we're strictly talking about the textures). Picrel is about the size of most of Uesugi's works on his own website and I do believe it's on purpose.

No. 2563893

>>2563696
you should work on both at roughly the same time. If your character is in a place, you need to properly place it in.

No. 2563937

>>2563479
>A lot of "realism" comes from structure and placement of your chosen medium
Yes exactly which is why I don't understand why you say the other pic is "just ink and copic" when the medium isn't want makes the picture you posted "basic". I was referring to the level of rendering like was the topic of discussion. I didn't say that because the image was digital?

The copic drawing has more realistic clothing folds and texture. Both drawings have different outfits but I've seen hanfu and something about the way it's flowing and folding in this doesn't look right. Their clothes also don't seem wildly more rendered then their faces, it matches in the aspect. The contrast between clothing and face are minimal.

I would consider this image of the girl you posted a better example.It has proper contrast in level of rendering, a face that simple is what the hanfu image would need to fit properly imo haha

Sorry, not being confrontational, this is just what I sperg over hahaha

No. 2563943

>>2563614
Replacing shit with more shit. I hate Norman Rockwell's paints. Fill the museums with literally anything else

No. 2564079

>>2563696
I sketch both at the same time and also tend to work on one layer, imo helps stop things from looking disjointed and maintain relationships (scale, perspective, lighting, etc) between subjects

No. 2564141

File: 1749932628318.png (340.53 KB, 600x420, anon.png)

>>2563824
its by jena jun but aparently the place she posted her art on shut down according to a redit post from 4 years ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/HelpMeFind/comments/q7dhfs/is_there_a_place_where_i_can_view_artwork_by_%E8%B5%A4%E9%BC%BB%E7%B4%B3%E5%A3%AB/

No. 2564152

>>2563696
I dont know why but i can draw decent environments but actually fitting a character into the picture is really difficult for me

No. 2564217

>>2563696
Background first if the background is the focus or character first if the character is the focus. I rarely do both because my mind struggles with doing things at the same time.

No. 2564228

>>2564141
https://web.archive.org/web/20120213064754/http://drawr.net/jena_jun The drawr page is on the wayback machine but who knows if they went anywhere else.

No. 2564234

>>2559030
Are you kidding? You could watch any number of shows, cartoons, read pages, Wikipedia, YouTube, there's a million things to look at.

No. 2564241

>>2560528
Tif. I've Bern following them almost the entire time they've been posting and they mentioned it maybe once, very obliquely. This+ a few other things over the years. They're a nice person and keep to themselves, probably why they're convincing because they just draw, don't gush about things or talk excessively.

No. 2564278

>>2563696
I do both.

No. 2564283

File: 1749937025579.jpg (33.12 KB, 279x269, Screenshot_20240922_103021.jpg)

Was going to surprise an art discord user I know with fanart of their OC but they started whinging about how "my sketchy art gets less attention I want attention on this" with a bunch of broken heart emoji.

People were complimenting the old art they'd just posted (a few weeks old and easier to see than the other muddy, hard to read image they'd just put up). I decided not to fan art them it was so annoying.

No. 2564302

>>2564283
Immediate turn off for me too. I have a mutual who made some pretty pieces that got some traction in a fandom I share with her, and then once she started posting sketchier and more niche pieces they weren't getting attention and she would not stop complaining about these things flopping (100 likes is a flop on your OC in some different outfits…? Okay). It made me not even want to interact with the art at all because her attitude was so foul and desperate. No I don't want to see you QRTing the art over and over with "LOOK AT THIS LOOK AT THIS FORCING YOU TO LOOK AT THIS NOW" so I just muted her.

No. 2564335

>>2564302
lmao a lot of people would kill for 100 likes on oc artwork. attention addict.

No. 2564340

>>2564302
>>2564335
This is such unappealing behavior

No. 2564356

>>2563696
I love working on singular layers, so usually I'll have both the character/subject base colour(s) and the base of the background done at the same time and flip between the two depending on my mood. This is also helpful for keeping colours consistent with the light source because you can immediately tell when something is a bit fucked.

No. 2564366

>>2561495
it took me a while to relize that wasnt her belly but her ass and thigh

No. 2564385

File: 1749943139922.jpg (48.85 KB, 300x589, description.jpg)

>>2561495
Is this fucking coco bandicoot???

No. 2564401

>>2564385
yeah lol

No. 2564571

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>>2564335
like me…

No. 2564577

>>2564571
Me too nonna

No. 2564598

>>2564234
But media isn't necessarily going to give you an accurate reference of the way people acted irl. And what youtube videos kek? Just try searching up any term on there and you'll get maybe 8 recent videos that match and the rest will be completely random shit they are trying to promote.

No. 2564613

>>2558917
>at least not shove gendie shit everywhere
Some people create art for pleasure rather than history lessons

No. 2564632

>>2564613
i think that anon is referring to things that are meant to be based on y2k as time period not just the aesthetics, but unless im seeing something made by someone of a certain age who lived during the 2000's i wouldnt expect accuracy unless it was promoted that way
Also "history lesson" is a bit much for mentioning that not everyone was a flavor of genderspecial a couple decades ago kek

No. 2564646

i'm so fucking bad at this and i've been drawing since middle school, not consistently which i'm afraid is part of my problem. everybody my age is just ahead, so sometimes i wonder if i didn't really come to this world to focus on art? maybe my true talent is something else that i haven't figured out, but i DO enjoy drawing and creating little people even if they're a tad stiff because my anatomy is ass and standing in the middle of a white void because i'm not used to drawing backgrounds yet. i find little joy when people my age or slightly older are a bit amateur too, among the 16 year old prodigies you see all the time on socmed, like there's people like me in this world! i'm not the only one who's crippled at this art thing. i'm sorry if this kind of post has already been written before, but i felt like this place was the right place to vent, if i told my friends they'd be like "nooo you're so great haha don't stop drawing" because they don't really "draw" iykwim.

No. 2564653

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>>2564613
>>2564598
What's with the pushback against doing bare minimum research? Are you insecure about your laziness? Is it not common sense to actually look into a period you're trying to emulate in your work? I can't wrap my head around the idea that consuming media and magazines and looking at archived blogs or asking millennials about the good old days is a bad thing. You can do none of those things but don't have such a weird Tumblrinaish whinge when anons point out that doing that research is helpful kek.
>Just try searching up any term
Learn2search, there are relevant videos from 2007 on YT and there's older ones archived out there somewhere. The consequences of never internet surfing seem horrific!
Also don't give me
>Eugh, but that's too much work to make art I just want to draw for fun! Doing non-art work for your art is stupid!
Consuming media quite literally helps your creativity (or kills it if you consume slop), and if you're not impassioned to do research then why are you even trying to make something in an era beyond a vapid "it looks pretty!!"? Just make it completely anachronistic at that point.

No. 2564699

>>2564653
>can't wrap my head around the idea that consuming media and magazines and looking at archived blogs or asking millennials about the good old days is a bad thing.
It's even fun! I assume that if you want to mimic a certain artstyle, period or fashion, it's because you're into it, so researching should feel like a passtime.

No. 2564745

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the way ameriya7 draws faces is so goddamn ugly kek. it’s instantly recognizable and she’s still drawing faces this way after years…why are the noses so short and the philtrum so elongated? it’s such a retarded and ugly look. like downie/fas tier. it even shows up in her anime drawings too kek. her rendering in her art can be great but she has to ruin it all with that signature fugly face of hers

No. 2564749

>>2564745
>why are the noses so short
Nona, it's called perspective

No. 2564752

File: 1749986028940.jpeg (265.87 KB, 1080x1080, IMG_5695.jpeg)

>>2564749
the nose would still not be that short in that angle, it’s just a recurring problem for her. she refuses to draw longer and natural looking noses and also makes the eyes too wideset and sometimes chin too long too, making this hideous frog face thing

No. 2564755

File: 1749986094972.jpeg (395.34 KB, 1920x1080, IMG_5696.jpeg)

>>2564752
like look at this monstrosity kekk, her signature uggo look still showing up in anime uwuu faces is killing me

No. 2564772

>>2564755
Nona I am stupid, please spoonfeed and redline the issue here. I am dumb dumb idiot dumbo retard and cannot see anything exceptionally problematic at first glance.

No. 2564778

>>2564772
Nta but I think in this picrel her eyes is way too far apart (even for an anime art style) it makes her look like a fish

No. 2564779

>>2564752
nona maybe you dislike this person a lot but this is really inoffensive art to me. yes the midface is short but thats also just… how anime-style art looks most the time.

No. 2564782

>>2564755
im surprised this got through the client the face here is so obvious

No. 2564786

>>2564752
>>2564755
>>2564745
I don't think her art is terrible by any means but all her characters do look like they've had botched rhinoplasties kek

No. 2564796

File: 1749989411027.jpeg (90.43 KB, 984x553, IMG_9251.jpeg)

>>2564755
>look at this monstrosity
yeah I guess you could say homogenized 2020s anime style looks monstrous but that's not any means terrible

No. 2564797

File: 1749989486358.jpg (941.24 KB, 1508x2546, 1.jpg)

>>2564772
Here’s my take on some simple fixes, old vs new
First one I just lowered the nose and mouth a bit
Second one I moved the left eye closer and lowered the mouth and nose too

No. 2564801

>>2564779
>>2564796
Nonnies if you can’t see anything wrong with that weird anime face, you aren’t yet skilled enough to recognize its errors. Study more facial anatomy tbh
>>2564797
Already a massive improvement, especially the second drawing. Really makes the original one look so grotesque in comparison kek

No. 2564805

Ughh I hate the latest commissions and I don't want to display them on my socials… I hate when I can't keep up the quality because of shit character design.

No. 2564806

>>2564805
I heavily relate to that nona. And im already very self conscious and picky about how my media tab on social media looks. I end up just not posting commissions at all tbh, or if I do I just delete it several weeks or months later because my commissions never look that good. I swear I got the ugliest fucking character design too which pissed me off

No. 2564812

>>2564806
I hate it because sometimes I make some excellent pieces and I want to post them but then I feel like I'll have to post all the others as well or the client will get pissed… though I'd love to get rid of them anyway since they always come to me with the shittiest characters anyway.

No. 2564813

File: 1749990588072.jpeg (135.3 KB, 500x400, 1749144455033.jpeg)

>>2564598
I mean, it's a given that media isn't real life, but they weren't there so its the best they can do. Media is a microcosm of society and there's thousands of freely available shows and movies from the time that one could watch to get ideas on the way people dressed, talked, acted, what was and wasn't a thing, etc. Looking something up is hardly research and its not a 5hr deep dive on some inconsequential
-core that nobody has heard of, so what is the issue?

Scripted shows, reality shows, video games, there's an entire archive of GeoCities HPs and gifs for that "old web" feel, hell there's even Wikipedia and yes there's more than 8 videos on YouTube. Its almost offensive how (and I'm struggling to give you the benefit of the doubt and not say "you") resistant younger people are to doing more than flipping through quick shot videos and looking at the Pinterest boards of other zoomers who also don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

Its barely research, just enjoy some media and if you don't know where to find it, ask someone, and if you can't do that, pull up Wikipedia and search for media in the desired date range and go crazy. I realize I'm being a bit harsh here but this is the laziest oft repeated take I see about inaccuracy on a span of time that's barely even gone. I'm in my late 30s and lived through this time, I still watch the shows, listen to the media, my PlayStation still works and so do the games. Its not ancient fucking history (and BTW one can find that too)

No. 2564830

>>2563272
>>2563559
>>2563580
Yay! I'd probably make it in /m/ similar to the artist cubicle one, is there anything specific that anyone would want in it? I will probably make it in the next few days

No. 2564877

>>2564801
>you aren’t yet skilled enough to recognize its errors. Study more facial anatomy tbh
Or like, idk, we are numb to moe nonsense by this point. A drop in the sea of "Seen This Before". The other nona >>2564797 provided fixes which says more than you did by just insulting other artists ITT without actually contributing to explaing why it looked bad. Yes, her fixes are improvements. But as it has been said before, the original picture(s) isn't as much of a trainwreck as the OP was trying to insist that it is. It's not uncommon for people to shit in the thread and sperg about how something is a pixel off from their ideal version while simultaneously being nodraws.
Not gonna disagree with studying more though. It's very good to always study more. One retard in another thread was talking about how someone's nipple was "crooked" when the person lifted their arm a few days ago kek. Nonas on LC are already fried in the brain.

No. 2564893

>>2564813
>Its almost offensive how (and I'm struggling to give you the benefit of the doubt and not say "you") resistant younger people are to doing more than flipping through quick shot videos and looking at the Pinterest boards of other zoomers who also don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
nta, but I've noticed this as well and I find it so weird. I can understand feeling resistant to doing autismo levels of research. Paleo-art in particular attracts a lot of autists who'll constantly say shit like "erm the nostril placement on this velociraptor is a couple millimeters off" unprompted and really suck the fun out of drawing. It doesn't take that much y2k "research" (which feels like such a strong word here because, like you and other anons said, watching shows/looking at magazines and old blogs isn't that intensive imo) to get basic things like neopronouns being nonexistent and low rise jeans being fashionable.

No. 2564911

>>2564893
nta One thing I find weird is how many people are into the aesthetic to begin with. They also go as far as to called it y2k (not even -inspired), as if its place in time is part of the aesthetic. It's one of the few times where I've actively witnessed people retconning the thing they're basing their fixation on. At this point, why didn't they call it something else? Research for them is just looking at more things they like anyway. (HypnoSpace Outlaw was a beautiful callback to that era, and the non-modded version of the game felt like a slice clean out of my childhood)
Taking a second to play devil's advocate, maybe they do think that gendy stuff has always been around. Maybe their sources are tainted but they are under the impression that it isn't.
>Why would someone lie on the internet?

No. 2564918

File: 1749998594123.jpg (100.43 KB, 960x614, 1000037365.jpg)

>>2564911
>It's one of the few times where I've actively witnessed people retconning the thing they're basing their fixation on. At this point, why didn't they call it something else?
There's a futuristic aesthetic, inspired by y2k, which has existed for years. It's called Cyber y2k and/or Kaybug. I don't know why these morons can't just consoom that. They can have their gaudy not-quite-right fashion and space age gender woowoo shit without trying to rewrite history.

No. 2564925

>>2564918
Unfortunately for them, knowing even this would require some research

No. 2564941

>>2564918
is because they have this disinterested attitude when it comes to anything, if you care to much about a thing that isnt queer or progressive in any way shape ot form you are cringe and you ''suck the fun out of something''

No. 2564950

Is it straight to draw gnc bishies? Would women even like art where the guys are in ruffled dresses and lacey skirts.

No. 2564951

>>2564877
>Or like, idk, we are numb to moe nonsense by this point. A drop in the sea of "Seen This Before".
This. I'd also like to add the bar is really low for illustrations used for gacha or trading card games tied into popular franchises in Japan. So this doesn't look that bad compared to other slop I've seen.

No. 2564952

>>2564950
just fucking draw what you want to draw, nobody cares. so tired of these dumb questions

No. 2564954

>>2564950
Women love androgyny

No. 2564955

>>2564951
>>2564877
NTA but consoom better media then? Kek what is this artistic learned helplessness

No. 2564958

>>2564950
I don't want to scrotefoil, but why would you word it like that?

No. 2564960

>>2564877
> we are numb to moe nonsense by this point.
that art (specifically face) is so ugly even by moe standards…or uglier especially by moe standards even, since moe anime style puts a lot of emphasis on cute soft round faces and that amiya chick draws ugly anime faces, or at least doesn’t fit the moe criteria

No. 2564961

File: 1750001456638.webp (37.83 KB, 420x560, 1743732567536.webp)

>>2564950
Why skirts and dresses? just draw ouji fashion

No. 2565001

>>2564960
it's really not, but I'm tired of your nitpicking for the sake of dragging out the one-sided beef you have with this artist

No. 2565004

>>2564961
AYRT, I'm really into men in female leaning attire and making it more masc feels hit or miss imo. Nothing against the vibe, I enjoy it, I just like what I listed better. Maybe I am freak, idk.

No. 2565008

>>2565004
Nah its fine i support you. I think as long as the guy looks masculine enough women will flock to it. Making them too androgynous aka draw a girl call it boy might attract trapfaggots though.

No. 2565043

>>2564950
Nona, did you know we have a husbando thread?

No. 2565049

>>2565043
Yea but I don't have husbandos that aren't OCs lol.

No. 2565053

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>>2565049
Fair. The reason I mention the thread is because it's a very clean and cut sample of what some women hardcore thirst for! We had a bunny suit manga board this past easter. If you ever want ideas of what to draw to draw a woman audience in, I think that's your ticket.

No. 2565171

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Kinda proud of Ripusko. I know that she's basically the female equivalent of your average coomer slop artist, but she's improved in her art quality significantly since I first started following her god knows when, and despite drawing purely femboys, she hasn't once drawn anything I'd consider pandering to gendies. I hope I'm not wrong (and just overlooked any instances she did), but it gives me hope that there are some people absolutely deep in the trenches but still do not yield.

No. 2565232

>>2565171
I'd take her slop over braindead boobie girl goonbait anyday.

No. 2565468

File: 1750019577931.png (34.92 KB, 592x298, mossa scrote.png)

Mossa confessed to drawing loli guro on his main account. No one cared. He's still seething over that other artist making fun of him. Friendly reminder that to this day Omocat is harassed over cringe tweets and a single tshirt.

No. 2565478

>>2564801
>you aren’t yet skilled enough to recognize its errors. Study more facial anatomy tbh
lol was the insult of my skill necessary? i can draw noses fine, thank you. its not "unskilled" to say its okay and inoffensive to draw tiny noses on anime characters

No. 2565479

>>2565478
Honestly i dislike anon's ''fix'' she made him look kinda uggo and instead of looking down he just looks like he has a michael jackson nose now.

No. 2565497

>>2565479
>She made him look kinda uggo and instead of looking down he just looks like he has a michael jackson nose now.
He didnt look much better on the left kek he looked like some kpop idol
Although i do think the small noses thing is fully intentional and just a preference

No. 2565499

>>2565497
>he looked like some kpop idol
and thats bad because?

No. 2565501

>>2565499
Anon, not everyone finds plastic and filler attractive.

No. 2565502

>>2565501
So you are calling someone's art bad because it doesnt fit your aesthetic preference?

No. 2565509

>>2565501
Then what do you like then?

No. 2565520

>>2565509
>>2565502
>>2565501
What are any of you getting out of this?

No. 2565522

>>2565502
nta but look at the thread's name

No. 2565528

>>2565522
And? that doesnt mean the art is objectively bad. Its dumb to complain about an anime character looking hot or '''plastic''' if you want to see realistic ugly moids look anywhere else?

No. 2565530

>>2565528
Did nonna even imply she was into that or am I missing something? She might just like men with more natural features and not all the botched botox filler? I can't really know since she hasn't said much.

No. 2565532

>>2565530
I mean if you dislike the most common anime face just dont follow anime artists. Its not like ugly male characters are hard to find, just go look at tif art.

No. 2565543

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>>2564797
All anime characters are starting to look like deformed babies to me

No. 2565544

>>2564755
How can all of you be so dumb? The art does look bad, the girl looks like a fucking ant. I'm starting to believe that all of you really are bad at art and think that any over rendered shit with lots of details is a sort of masterpiece. Go learn anatomy and proportion please. Anime DOES NOT look like that and i can show several anime heads that don't have that problem. It's like her eyes are melting on her face.

No. 2565547

>>2565522
nta I like discussions about why someone feels they need to react to something a specific way. I've been called out for my own salt countless times and the critique of my spergouts kinda makes me see things from a different angle kek
Despite how retarded we get ITT, I kinda love it.

No. 2565549

>>2565544
Well now I'm curious, show the faces.

No. 2565550

File: 1750024472371.jpg (65.74 KB, 414x569, 1575651563083.jpg)

>>2565544
Wide eyed girls are cute.

No. 2565562

>>2565544
I think you should share your own artwork.

No. 2565563

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>>2565499
I just dont like the style, objectively its not bad/awful but the proportions arent to my liking, that also doesnt mean i like ugly moids kek, it doesnt really look like anime and its going more towards manhwa imo, also if you compare it to other drawings on this, >>2564752 it looks like she has a problem with that angle kek.
You seem a bit sensitive over this, i didn't mean any offense by expressing that one drawing looks ugly to me

No. 2565567

>>2565563
Its just weird to nitpick such a harmless artist.

No. 2565569

>>2565563
>You seem a bit sensitive over this
kek says the one replying to every post for the last 12 hours because other anons aren't as offended by generic anime art and kpop men as you are

No. 2565570

File: 1750025343266.png (2.55 MB, 1761x1463, image.png)

>>2565544
Look at the difference. The head suffers a simple problem, the space between the eyes is too big. It's acceptable in exaggerated styles where anatomy is simplified and deformed to a point where everything looks in place, but a character that has a normal body and a regular anime face? If you don't know what is wrong you simply don't know anatomy.
>>2565562
Holy shit, you guys only know how to say that. What does my work have to do with that? I'm saying, with proof, that most of you don't know facial anatomy.

No. 2565573

>>2565569
What do you mean? I didnt even post her, im just giving my opinion
not all posts are made by the same person

No. 2565575

>>2565570
We just dont give a shit about generic animu artist 1542th there are artists like mossa who are drawing loli guro inspired by real life cases of child abuse idgaf about some generic anime that isnt even interestingly bad.

No. 2565577

>>2565570
>erm if you don't understand why the eyes are too wide on this generic anime girl compared to all these generic noseless anime girls with dinner plate eyes, melting cheeks and dorito chins you don't know real anatomy like the body that's totally too realistic in >>2564755
…ok

No. 2565580

>>2565577
Okay, understood. You really don't have the capacity of understanding simple facts about art and artstyle. Go on making your deformed faces, better for us that know how to do something decent.

No. 2565584

>>2565580
…ok(not a chatroom)

No. 2565589

>>2565580
Makes me laugh when anons post cringe bombs like this because it means absolutely nothing with no art attached to show your superior skills.

No. 2565590

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>>2565544
>Go learn anatomy and proportion please
>Anime
Nona…

No. 2565591

>>2565584
Retard

No. 2565595

>>2565570
>Holy shit, you guys only know how to say that.
Well you sound like a complete schizo so of course I'm going to ask kek(infight bait)

No. 2565619

File: 1750027132358.png (98.59 KB, 465x535, image-1.png)

>>2565570
>don't know facial anatomy.
nta I'm going to be as nonbiased and cordial as possible. samefag as >>2564772 But let me go ahead and break down the problem with your approach. You have a good point when it comes to measurements being either off or simply more appealing in some other areas. But this has little to do with human anatomy. This is moreso stylization. Stylization is difficult to critique because it is subjective. Throwing meaningless empty insults at random and lashing out is a signature thing to do on LC. However, if you want to tell nonas to improve upon anything in a constructive manner, it'd be better to mention things like picrel. That way it won't look like you are insane and throwing hands at people who don't see what you're able to see in a subjective artstyle. Anime is isn't heavily reliant on anatomy when it comes to the face.

No. 2565643

>>2565575
Nta but I'd rather talk about bad portions then cryposting about your pet pedophile (which belongs in the nsfw artcow thread anyway) so stop speaking on behalf of other nonnas like everyone wants to go through your little groundhog day #47352528 of bitching about mossa. don't know why anons are so offended about this kek if you fuck up your facial spacing your anime bishies look like they have downs

No. 2565652

>>2565544
Was anybody even talking about that picture? I was under the impression that the discussion was over these two posts.. Im just confused as fuck right now
>>2564745
>>2564752

No. 2565677

>>2565652
nts Yeah. All three images are by the same person (I assumed)

No. 2565693

Is this what the thread complains about when it cant compare about the way that brujo artist draws tits? 10px differences between eyes??? lol …

No. 2565705

Does anybody here have any experience with Spinster? I want more spaces for female artists, but if the site isn't okay with that kind of thing then I'd rather not overstep.

No. 2565708

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I'm so sick of everyone drawing big pouty shiny filler lips. Especially when they have a gap and show a stupid little tooth. So much art looks like they have fillers now and it feels so gross and fetishy even though I know people are just copying the plastic faces they see on Instagram.

No. 2565711

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>>2565708
Nona whatever do you mean?

No. 2565718

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>>2565711
Looks like amanda lepore's lips

No. 2565750

>>2565550
they can be, but that artist draws in a semi realistic way with noses (short ones at that) so when you combine all of this together, the end result looks very uncanny and uggo kek

No. 2565752

>>2565570
based nona, you conveyed it perfectly
there’s something about her artstyle that really irritates me, it’s uniquely ugly and the fact that she chooses to draw that way is truly something. even the old tumblr style thomas jefferson binder art is less offensive to me than this, probably because her rendering and most anatomy skills are good except the face. if you’re that good already, why do you fuck up the face like that, smh

No. 2565766

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>>2565752
>why do you fuck up the face like that, smh
nta, but I feel like it has to be on purpose and she just has shit taste. Reminds me of Chris Sander's style. He does the eye thing to most of his characters and I do think it looks cute for Lilo and the aliens, but I hate it on the adult women. I get that wider spaced eyes are supposed to evoke prey eyes or whatever, but it just makes the character look retarded to me when pushed this far

No. 2565772

>>2564812
If someone mentions that you didn’t post theirs you could always tell them “oh sorry I only post commissions if the commissioner tells me to! I don’t wanna show it off without permission since it’s art you paid for. If you want me to post it now though I will!”

No. 2565801

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"everything on this profile is yuri" and scrolling her account and it's 99% piv and futashit why are yuri artists like this

No. 2565804

File: 1750039610140.jpg (1.33 MB, 3264x2448, 20250615_194849033.jpg)

>>2565801
more of her art her oc it's a bearded "lesbian amab" with cone tits (the red hair one) it's shame cus her art in her ig account isn't bad at all

No. 2565809

>>2565766
oh for sure, that artist just has shit taste kek. her self portrait in that collage looked really ugly too, im thinking maybe she draws that way because she also looks like that irl since some artists have a habit of drawing their characters similar to their own face, like tamakid.
i generally agree with the lilo and stitch artist, the adults (especially men) look a bit uggo but its not too offensive to me and is tolerable

No. 2565810

>>2565801
>>2565804
so, just another straight woman who pretends to be gay or trans huh
really can’t stand those fucking tifs that are like “ughh im so gay” and you check their profile and it’s a he/him with the most obvious female interests kek

No. 2565828

>>2565801
Y'know how there are adages like Murphy's law? "If there are two or more ways to do something and one of those results in a catastrophe, then someone will do it that way." AKA "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong."

There needs to be a "fakebian's law" where "If someone insists on their profile that what they post is related to lesbians in any form, none of it will be related to lesbians whatsoever."

>>2565711
Every time I see these types of lips I am reminded of a baboon.

No. 2565833

>>2565828
>Every time I see these types of lips I am reminded of a baboon.
Because of the tripled cheeked up butt on them?

No. 2565838

>>2565833
KEK YES exactly that

No. 2565843

>>2565643
Imagine being more offended about an artists proportions than a pedophile that draws dead children. The absolute state of this thread.

No. 2565846

>>2565843
nta I think she said what she'd rather talk about. Not what she'd be more offended by. Us bitching about a specific artist literally changes absolutely nothing about this world. So…

No. 2565864

>>2565575
What more is there to say about mossa though

No. 2565893

>>2565171
she's so based, sometimes her femboys are too much for me, but damn if she knows what she likes. she's up there alongside Astrocat for me kekkk

No. 2565956

>>2564653
People want instant gratification w/o putting in the work. I know there's such thing as too much research, but it's a far cry from not doing any at all.

No. 2565957

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>>2564755
And this is why we flip.

No. 2566108

>my art was finally receiving attention, gaining thousands of likes
>take a break for like a week or so
>newest post only got 80 likes
Well it’s definitely an improvement from the 20~30 likes average I used to get, but it’s still a bit soul crushing to not perform well. Yes I know that even 70 people is a lot, especially if you imagine them all in a room together, but since I know how much attention my art is capable of getting and the fact that you can definitely get more likes on social media, that cope doesn’t really work for me anymore.
It would work if my art never goes viral and I stayed a humble small artist forever, but honestly nonas attention, love, and comments have always been my favorite thing when making art, ever since I was young and just starting out on the internet, back to my deviantart days.
Really wish my art would reach a lot of people, I’m so jealous of those artists who have an active fanbase and get tons of likes and attention on all of their art. It’s all I ever wanted and no amount of “you shouldn’t care about likes, they don’t prove your self worth!!” will change my mind..and its annoying when that crap comes from big artists that get thousands of likes on their art.
Basically I would try to gain this mindset but I’ve had my art perform very well before, so im always chasing that high. I guess overall, at least my average likes are slowly increasing so all I can do is just keep working

No. 2566111

>>2564653
>don't have such a weird Tumblrinaish whinge when anons point out that doing that research is helpful kek.
This thread is full of seething Twittards who just want to anonymously bitch about their mutuals kek, that's why they're so resistant to doing any work

No. 2566126

>>2566108
Yeah the hype dies down when you don't capitalize off of the attention. This is business 101. You can't maintain thousands of likes if you're going to fuck off for a week or so, the internet is ever changing and nobody will give enough of a fuck to stick around.

No. 2566134

>>2565705
I haven't used Spinster in about 4 years, so I don't know what it's like now, but I have posted art there, and I think it was well-received. The community there was small, but there were a lot of kind women. And a handful of absolutely insane, conspiracy theorist women.

No. 2566137

>>2564653
There are also tons of videos on the internet archive of things like commercials, news interviews and college seminars from that time period. Like c'mon

No. 2566177

>>2565801
Some straight women are insufferable. Wish it wasn't trendy to feign lesbianism or an interest in such.

You don't have to be a lesbian just stop drawing dick and calling it that.

No. 2566280

>>2566111
nta I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if the number of people ITT that enjoy doing research is in the minority. Obviously this exchange started with pointing out how others don't do it versus "let people have fun" mentality. But it felt for a second there that a nona took it as a personal attack.

No. 2566304

>>2566280
NTA, The main issue with the research debate is that "research" here doesn't mean deep diving through archaic texts, it means looking up a few shows, even magazine scans from an "era" that was what, 25 years ago? Its retarded to refuse to do that, especially when someone is insisting on claiming to reference that time in their work.

There's no way around it. I'm not sure why this is confusing, it's nothing to do with personal offense.

No. 2566369

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I’m not sure any other anons have had this artist all over their recommended page but I find this so funny. She’s clearly skilled enough at painting but can only draw faces from 3 very similar basic angles and has apparently never drawn a side profile, and then posts her “superior construction process” and it’s this lol. If she has a good understanding of the underlying construction and shapes of the head and face, it’s not translated into her art. Side note but I find it funny that everyone online, particularly younger artists, will do anything to avoid learning basic anatomy construction and constantly try to find shortcuts to skill. There’s a reason why loomis, morpho etc is so popular— it’s a genuinely good way to develop an understanding of how the 3D head translates to 2D space in various angles.

No. 2566376

>>2566108
I also looooove getting attention for my art but recently I've been considering trying make some artist friends or joining a collaborative project to get that kind of feed back, maybe that would be something you would like, too?

No. 2566384

>>2566369
Loomis is good as a starting point. When it becomes an obsession to adhere to the way he drew things as if it is The Only Acceptable Method, it becomes full-on retarded. Wish we could strike a balance between Loomis retardation and apprehension to learning effective yet slow methods.
That sweet spot of practicing thinking while drawing is a dying art.

No. 2566393

>>2566108
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I think you need more going on in your offline life. It’s normal to want recognition for your work, but it shouldn’t be “all you’ve ever wanted.” What is your social life/career/family life like? You’re a lot less likely to crave validation from random strangers on the internet if you’re more fulfilled by your offline life.

No. 2566400

I dont know how Columbo thought she was gonna be inconspicuous about her being "qweer", a tif, or whatever she is, when she makes no effort to hide it, and allowed her family to follow her. But now she's posting her tranny porn on a random porn account while basically holding a sign that says she's Columbo. The fact that she tried to whine about being canceled before was so absurd because she literally faced zero repercussions for it outside of maybe 3 gendies who stopped following her. People still post her art all the time and she still gets thousands of likes.

No. 2566405

>>2566384
Yeah loomis has been most useful for me as a guide for proportions. I actually don’t like the way he draws (and slightly stylises) women’s bodies, it reminds me too much of the 1950s American housewife adverts. But I found that once I carefully studied how he laid out proportions, my studies of real humans from photos/life became much better because I had an understanding of ideal proportions to guide me. I think for studying anatomy and form what matters most is having a lot of sources you’re learning from, and studying in a variety of ways (copying anatomy books, short gesture drawings, longer studies, drawing poses from imagination, studying the skeleton and muscle structure, etc) and letting that all come together into an understanding of how the human body looks, moves and varies.

No. 2566419

>>2564755
Her head is just a face. She has no back of her head, no space for her brain. Her neck is attached too far forward because again she has no back of the head. Her right eye and ear are trying to escape. Her right hand also looks fucking weird.

No. 2566538

>>2566384
What are the other good methods for drawing head?

No. 2566759

>>2566376
Yes I’d love more actual artist friends, my current online friends are either normies or artists who I’m not that close with. I was asked to join an art discord but it’s dried up after years. I’m jealous of those people who have art besties where they can gush about art all the time. DND seems like a good indicator for that, I can’t think of anyone who I could form a group with.
How do these people meet anyway? I guess there’s a lot of ways. I have art mutuals but can’t really say that im close to any of them or interact much with each other, even the ones where i have interacted a bit with have people who they’re infinitely closer with.
>>2566393
Yeah sorry nona, I’m a perma loser and have no real life friends, all my friends are online. Art is pretty much the only thing I have in life aside from consooming media such as video games, books, manga, comics and movies/shows. At least I found passion in art and I genuinely love receiving compliments on it and want it to reach many people, I’ve seen “normie” folks who just work, go out, do everything right in life but they talk about how they have no real passion for anything which makes their life feel empty. But don’t get me wrong, my life is pathetic because I’m a shut-in loser so that’s why getting attention on social media is one of the best joys I could get

No. 2566785

>>2566538
Dig up Loomis's grave and use his head as a reference model

No. 2566867

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>>2564646
same nonny, realizing i couldn't really do much with my art due to my skill level was disappointing but i try to have fun
>>2566759
i wish i had art friends like i used to, talking about our ocs, their lore, the shows we liked, and roleplaying but without being on fandoms its hard and i tried for a while but gave up and left social media kek
sometimes i wonder if fandom people got more retarded now or if i used to be cringy too and just outgrew it

No. 2566982

>>2566867
Fandoms are getting more retarded because kids these days are genuinely dumber than the kids from years ago. Take how many kids are computer illiterate these days for example. They say that boomers and young gen z/gen alpha have the same tech literacy level now, phone culture killed a good amount of computer usage. They also have trouble reading and writing. It’s looking grim for the future tbh.
A lot of newfags became fandom people during the pandemic too, so it’s their first time being exposed to fandom culture which is why you see these newfags throwing hissy fits at things that were always considered normal in fandom spaces, calling it “weird”

No. 2566996

File: 1750124170974.jpg (74.47 KB, 736x920, ewyou.jpg)

>>2566982
>A lot of newfags became fandom people during the pandemic too, so it’s their first time being exposed to fandom culture which is why you see these newfags throwing hissy fits at things that were always considered normal in fandom spaces, calling it “weird”
ayrt and its probably that, considering i actively ignored anyone -18, maybe im wrong but i also feel like those people really base their whole opinions on people younger than them which is really weird because you dont need some moral hivemind to enjoy anything, its like they dont have much interest in anything or like every single thing very superficially but dont really want to talk about it ime
either that or most of the things i like are liked by really insane gendies, like get in a friend group and call them all out in a couple of months insane kekkk

No. 2567099

>>2566996
Love your picrel but the wording made me take a second dosage of my meds

No. 2567110

>>2566982
>>2566996
The younger users flood the spaces with their own thoughts. Since they're terminally online, a novice who doesn't know how to navigate web discussions + new to any fandom would only read the first thing they get, or won't bother deducting certain lines of thought (i.e. "this person sounds 12 and might be 12")

A lot of them don't even consume the source material and treat fan creators as if they're the canon-shapers.

No. 2567188

i wish it was illegal for moids to draw nsfw art. only women can draw stuff thats actually sensual, romantic and erotic. with men its just "chickenscratch drawing of mesugaki loli with broken spine standing in a void number #1000". who the fuck even cares? they have the lowest standards for sex appeal ever

No. 2567216

>>2564755
kek wtf I thought this piece everyone was shitting themselves over was some western fan artist who pissed someone ITT off until I saw the sega logo, is this actually official art? What the hell? 13 year olds on tiktok wouldn’t even make a mistake like that.

No. 2567257

>>2565468
It will never not be funny how mad he is that his entire legion of 500k followers couldn't harrass the artist into deleting, hence why he keeps bringing it up

No. 2567260

>>2567257
>It will never not be funny how mad he is that his entire legion of 500k followers couldn't harrass the artist into deleting
Yet another example of moids being absolutely fucking useless kek, a majority-female fanbase would have gotten that taken down in minutes. GOOD, I'm glad it's still up and makes him endlessly seethe.

No. 2567275

>>2567257
She didn't even mention him by name in that drawing. He just knows himself, and he doesn't like it.
I hope someone facedoxes him. He deserves to be drawn getting gang-raped and murdered.

No. 2567285

>>2567275
His face has been posted on LC before

No. 2567291

>>2567285
Where? Is he a fat neckbeard?

No. 2567298

>>2567291
Not a neckbeard but average Korean moid, you can't really say for sure because he wears a mask in that photo. It was posted on artist salt many threads ago. Do you think he will seethe hard when people find out that one drawing based on a real-life crime of 16 years old girl?

No. 2567300

>>2567298
Maybe but he'll disguise it with manic "HAHA YOU'RE SO TRIGGERED" copium

No. 2567304

File: 1750156279515.jpg (343.12 KB, 1175x2048, media_Fiji5JlaAAc5fGI.jpg)

>>2567298
Samefag. Nvm, I found it

No. 2567305

>>2567304
no amount of facemasks can hide his moonface and sausage fingers

No. 2567306

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No. 2567310

File: 1750156745872.jpg (421.88 KB, 1616x2048, media_Fiji3gHaMAA9BCs.jpg)

>>2567306
Forgot to mention, didn't he put his real location or address on his fanbox or PO box on his birthday?

No. 2567342

>>2567310
Hideous piece of shit

No. 2567348

>>2567310
kek the second chin he's so fat

No. 2567362

>>2567306
Its fucking hilarious that no matter how much a moid tries to cover himself his ugliness will always show through it's like putting a gold scarf over shit sure the gold is nice but you still can see the shit hidden under it. Imagine being this discount shadman ragebaiter that reeks and has facial features of a suicider who fell face first into asphalt and down syndrome simultaneously no wonder he baits with little kiddie porn kek what else can he do to for someone to pay attention to such fecal matter I feel sorry for his mother that birthed that such filth (hope she got a cleansing after it) even Euthaniaisa clinics should throw away their tools or burn them when they eventually put him down

No. 2567367

>>2567304
>>2567306
>>2567310
He has the porn artist look down to tee kek.

No. 2567375

>>2565828
>>2565801
>>2565810
I know this artist. She has been with a girl for ages. She's nb and chopped her tits off.

No. 2567379

File: 1750163077305.jpg (86.61 KB, 1148x708, fanbox.jpg)

>>2567362
>Only A person with UGLY LOOKS and UGLY MIND can crete A TURELY BEAUTIFULE MASTERPEICE
Lmao

No. 2567407

>>2567379
>I AM NOT OWNED!! HAHA TRIGGERING MUCH? WHO CARES IF IM UGLY? NOT ME! YEAH I DONT CARE IF I DRAW LITTLE GIRLS GETTING RAPED! oh God please don't tell the Korean police though please don't HAHA IM NOT AFRAID AT ALL

No. 2567441

Is it wrong to not draw fanart if you feel like the content you make doesn't feel like fanart? Like you just drew it for clicks and not because you loved the character? I'm starting to notice more artist drawing FOTM for clout and not intimate passion for the subject in question.

No. 2567450

>>2567441
Well, let's ask ourselves this question. Why would it be wrong? Who's deciding this? What rules are in place? As adults, we have our own agency. If it's not fun, then what's the point?

No. 2567472

>>2567450
I don't think OP was seriously asking if making FOTM for clout was morally wrong. I think it's kinda cheap, especially when it's apparent the artist doesn't really give a shit about the character and/or ship in question. I've had enough manga I like get their fandoms and tags shat up by getting popularized via anime adaptations to accept that's just an easy and reliable way to get popular. It sucks, but I've made my peace with it. Still kinda hate coomer clout chasers, since they're way more likely to to completely ignore characterization and still get a bunch of engagement despite it. It's amazing how moids reliably like what's essentially the same big booby coom pic with the hair color/accessories swapped out to match the latest gotm.

No. 2567482

>>2567304
> portrays itself as a skinny twink
> has a double chin

No. 2567491

>>2567379
When is this picture from? Something tells me he didn't post this in response to us. Also if we manage to find out enough info can a korean nona notify the authorities?(encouraging cowtipping)

No. 2567503

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>>2567491
It's on his fambox, it was there for a long time before this thread
>>2567482
Not just as a twink but as a sexy woman too

No. 2567507

>>2567503
What is it with moids and using women's images as a proxy for their retardation?

No. 2567510

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>>2567379
>Turely beautifule
Does it take an ugly mind to spell simple words correctly?

No. 2567511

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>>2567503
Samefag, this one is the closest to his real-life appearance and they all look like racial caricatures, does Mossa hates himself?

No. 2567515

>>2567511
Pretty much every person he draws looks like a racial caricature, it's just his style

No. 2567516

>>2567441
That's just the way Fandom operates now. We're starting to get a bunch of gen-z-alphas moving in trying to fast track their popularity by drawing fotm characters a bunch of times and pretending it's a "hyperfixation" or "special interest" when it's not, and before you know it they're on the next bandwagon as soon as it's released. Rinse and repeat, all for likes. It's the only way they know how to be social is to consume and only participate when they think it will benefit them, and not necessarily because it's fulfilling.

No. 2567518

>>2567511
I'm guessing it's a mixture of various moid neuroses.
>Self-hatred
>Ugly bastard fetish
>Coping ("look at how I OWN my ugly appearance, I'm not insecure at all")
>"If I draw myself too attractive it will threaten my male audience and they'll think I'm gay"

No. 2567531

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>>2567518
>they'll think I'm gay
well I mean he does draw femboy stuff so I doubt he cares about that. picrel stolen from the nsfw cows thread

No. 2567544

>>2567531
Men have bizarre double standards when it comes to femboys because they're all pedos.

No. 2567556

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>>2567472
>I don't think OP was seriously asking if making FOTM for clout was morally wrong.
Sorry, we've had some insanely dumb anons ITT ask shit like this and seem seruous, so I wanted to cover my basis. You do have ampoint, if she's referring to it rhetorically. How artists feel no shame in shitting up tags as tourists. I remember the Animal Crossing thing with Isabelle and that one Egyptian cat get fucked over, and then the tourists double dipped with Sasha since effiminent male (?) character. Or currently moids are drawing Carmine from Pokémon like some sort of stinky bimbo after it being Nemona. I'm tired of seeing it, but there's nothing we can do.
Saw the same shit happen for Leviathan from Megaman Zero, too. >>2567516 could be onto something with it being instant-gratification, which is the current flavor of this era.

No. 2567572

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>>2567556
>>2567516
Its disappointing. The "its muh hyperfixation/special interest" thing especially. They're too busy sperging about how much it means to them to finish the media or even watch it.

As another nona said in here, fan artists of that type may as well make OCs for all the shit they give about characterization. You have to know the rules to bend them, and you have to know something about a series/character to turn them into something else. Apparently not. Because its an era of remakes and remasters that don't follow the originals hardly at all, there's new fags shitting up so many long standing series that had formerly defent fandoms. Now you have people calling the OG material ugly, shitting up tags, and arguing with older fans about story incongruencies that they wouldn't know because they didn't touch the original, and haven't even finished the 2x speed playthrough of the remake yet. Yes, I'm hyper bitter about it

No. 2567611

>>2567572

When everything is shoveled into your face a mile a minute via shorts, there's no real opportunity to explore what you actually like, what your tastes are, before the next thing is already in front of you. They want a "special interest" but god forbid if someone else is too interested. Which is it? I would say I feel bad for the younger generation but they don't bother seeking out and cultivating their own interests beyond arguing in fandoms they dont belong and making fun of others while they waste away time scrolling endlessly.

Constantly trying to "own" some sense of individuality by grafting a -core aesthetic onto themselves every month.

I'm so glad I'm not in fandom anymore.

No. 2567645

>>2567503
He displays such troon tendencies he seems like the troon who made the pedobait "um akutually troons gooning off to lolishotashit is very deep4u!" "Animation" short who doesn't fully commit to his troondom because he looks like a inbred gollum

No. 2567650

>>2567645
He's just an attention whore. Its also isane how he's been drawing for ages and hasnt improved at all.

No. 2567684

I really like Mossa's art to be honest, especially his historical pieces.

No. 2567686

>>2567684
His non-edgy pieces are just solidly "okay" to me.

No. 2567760

>>2567684
How can you look past his pedophilia in his art when he's so proud about it and flaunts it in almost every piece?

No. 2567807

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My boomer boss is helping me set up a website for my art, because he didn't have access to much of my art files he took what he had and put it in AI to create fake mockups… it's not even my haters who happily feed my art to AI to make new AI slop from it, it's my own idiotic allies sigh

No. 2567813

>>2567807
Wheeeeze. I'm sorry nonna that's so sadly funny.

No. 2567819

I just got this video in my recommended and I thought that it would be apt to be posted here. It takes her like 12 minutes to explain some context, basic idea of AF, how she classified some things in the research she did before showing her stats. Some of her research findings include:
>About 30.6% of uploaded characters are women while 58.1% were men
>Women are 3 times more likely to have 'goonerish' designs than men (her words not mine)
>Female characters are far more likely to be uploaded simply to be an accessory piece to another character (12.3% versus 1.0% for men) additionally men were more likely to have more in-depth writing in their bios
At some point the video veers off somewhat into talking about how other groups aren't represented properly (ex: racial minorities, elderly, and disabled people), but then she gets back on track to rant about how so many people seem to care more about male characters than female ones because female characters get shitty writing. She believes that this is inherently due to how misogyny is simply ingrained into the world no matter how seemingly progressive a space might be (especially because AF seems like it would be an inclusive space with all the super qwueer characters it has).
I don't love the video itself because I think it's kinda needlessly long, and I don't agree with everything she says but I think it provides some interesting information that nonnies here would find intriguing to know about. Here's a link to her data if anyone is interested in looking further into it
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1a7MiJZOl_g-InziDOvQ76qc7gt3obDK649muFWkJgM0/edit?gid=970791899#gid=970791899

No. 2567822

>>2567760
the same reason why anons in this thread caped for mgong when her toddlerporn got exposed. cognitive dissonance inshort its the "sure this artist drew babies/little girls being raped but they drew fanart of my favorite slop!! i cant abandon/(add a excuse how their bones will literally break if they put effort to look for another artist who isnt a pedo with the same style) them now! ever heard of death of the author?" excuse

No. 2567861

>>2567819
This is really interesting nonna, thank you for posting this here! The google doc is really cool to look at. Honestly, i think the real reason is because like 99% of these spaces are female, a majority of those being straight. Obviously it depends, but i think alot of the focus on men in these cases are women just writing things theyre curious about/havent experienced and/or theyre attracted to hot yaoi boys. Why write about female friendship when i experience them everyday? I see alot of analysis about misogyny in fandoms, and not that it doesnt exist, but it seems like alot of people are over complicating it.

No. 2567893

>>2567819
>30.6% of characters are women
this is honestly better than i expected. i feel like this number is even worse on other websites like toyhouse, even if there's a lot of overlap in the userbase.
>>2567861
OT but eh i don't buy that it's just a matter of women being largely straight (though that is a big part of it.) aside from the odd transbian, guys who ""create"" ""OCs"" typically create one man and one woman to pair up, meanwhile more women in fandom spaces create two men. i think female socialization and internalized misogyny does play a factor into this behavior, because even fujos will admit that it's easier on their psyche to ship characters without an innate power imbalance and who are written better in media (so, men), and i think that carries into their personal ventures too. even for women who do write characters without a shipping slant (with less of an emphasis on the romantic/sexual attraction), they tend to write male characters. and EVEN WHEN you consider the female characters that DO exist on these websites, as the woman in the video points out, a lot of them are mere accessories. if you wanna write men because you wanna fuck them, sure, understandable, but i think it's hard to ignore that the female characters these artists DO have, possess no interiority and are just there for brownie points. if it had nothing to do with misogyny, they'd probably have female OCs with at least a few cool traits but they're always feminine, motherly, bubbly, caring, or "the one that has the braincell". like, have you ever seen a butch/masc woman OC by someone who wasn't a lesbian?
it gets worse when you read how some women write men with this highly fictionalized, dramaticized, honestly very female flair, and all the characters don't feel like an earnest attempt to write a male but rather butch women. which is why
>Why write about female friendship when i experience them everyday? […] it seems like alot of people are over complicating it.
feels very, very convenient. no hate to you or any woman who revolves their creative pursuits around male characters but i do think there is something deeper to it.

No. 2567894

>>2567819
Womp womp I'm not watching that slop. Women like drawing men because they're hot to look at, cry about it all you want.

No. 2567898

>>2567894
did someone who draws female characters hurt you, anon?(bait)

No. 2567928

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>>2567819
> this is inherently due to how misogyny is simply ingrained into the world no matter how seemingly progressive a space might be
I always see the “woke” people on social media (often times lesbians) who are bitter and go on rants that gay pairings and men in general were always much more popular than lesbian pairings/female characters in general in fandom spaces. Take the annual ao3 top ships ranking for example. 90% of the pairings are male x male while the rest is lesbo pairings or straight ones.
They’ll always claim that it’s because of misogyny, but honestly it’s really because most fandoms are made up of women, and most women are straight and are simply attracted to men more. That’s literally it. Yes that includes the bisexual women who claim they’re so gay for women but they still mostly care about male characters anyway. And of course the aidens who pretend they’re men so they claim they’re gay.
Could it have something to do with internalized misogyny? Maybe. But the main reason will always be because women are more attracted to men because they’re heterosexual even if they try to deny this.
This applies in reverse too obviously, there are some fandoms with a male majority like those countless pedo anime series. There, you will actually find most of the content being female centered and barely any male content, because most men are straight. Most artfighters are women.
It really isn’t rocket science, most people are straight.

No. 2567937

>>2567894
>womp womp
go back.

No. 2567955

>>2567819
I don't want to talk too much about myself, but I noticed the female OCs I treat like humans are usually tomboys or at least GNC. Is that something I should be worried about? It's not like I'm above the internal bias issue. Personal experiences tend to color one's work like how a straight woman is more inclined to draw men more than a lesbian or a black tomboy makes most of their Female OCs black tomboys. I respect what this user said about artfight's bias towards men, but people aren't obligated to turn each one of their OCs into tumblr rejects. Like, what's stopping her from making her own thing or rejecting attacks with men in it? People have the right to draw whatever they want whenever they want without consequence unless it's illegal or morally wrong.

No. 2567975

>>2567531
>>2567503
ew why do people simp over this guys art? his rendering style smells like black mold

No. 2567977

>>2567819
For those who want to see writing about female characters I'm afraid to tell you you're going to have to hang out with bronys

No. 2567981

>>2567819
Replying again because im listening to the video
>anime/japanese characters were not generally considered to be non-white unless were very clearly thought out to be such
Now what the hell could this mean. I get that the blonde haired blue eyed donut steel oc with a name “~~Sakura Hirashi~~” is hard to imagine as being Japanese but for the most part, im rolling my eyes if this autistic bitch categorized anyone who didn’t have black hair, black eyes, and monolids as non-asian. These are ocs, it’s gonna be common for characters to have unconventional hair and eye colors because it’s just for fun and it’s fiction. Personally I’m open to believing any oc as nonwhite/asian unless they have blonde hair and blue eyes kek. I wouldn’t be surprised if this retard was one of those types that think Asians have to be drawn in a strict, almost stereotypical way in order to be “really” asian.
Also, I imagine that most artfighters are white so it’s not really surprising that most of their ocs are white. I do wonder what race non white people make their ocs the most though. Maybe for most people both white and nonwhite, they don’t really think of race when making an oc, when I see the ocs that TikTok zoomers post, it’s pretty much just a simple drawing of a character and no obvious race is present.
Plus, this study is filled with verysubjective categories so it’s kinda hard to take seriously. But the general statement that art fight users care more about men is true.

No. 2567989

>>2567977
Oh fuck no.

Female character nonnies can we just unionise instead.

No. 2567991

>>2567819
Now I feel even more smug about having 589272798469 female OCs.

No. 2567992

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>>2567819
based stacy terrorizing fujos with genderbends

No. 2567994

Also the irony of her going on about a rant how female characters aren’t appreciated enough while her video is a speedpaint of her drawing two men kekkk

No. 2568001

>>2567992
How is this legal? It's her art, she can do whatever. But If I was friends with her I'd just cut her off since that isn't nice? IDK, maybe don't say that publically. Was that post suppose to be sarcastic btw? I'm hoping it is.

No. 2568002

>>2567992
Kekkk based

No. 2568015

>>2568001
Nta but
>She tells her friends she's not into men
>Her friends berate her for not being into men and tell her to be into men
You:
>I can't believe she drew genderbends? How is that legal? I would cut her off.

Nonna what. I'm not even lesbian but do you not have reading comprehension to see how her old friends were acting superior towards her because they were into men? Imo what she did was funny. If she was my little sister I'd be proud of her for not taking their shit lying down.

No. 2568016

>>2568015
What they did was shitty af, but idk, I don't like seeing OCs I made turn into someone else's plaything in this age where once it's online it's not yours anymore. Like, I might get murdered If I made some moid's waifu into a man for instance or called lesbophobic for not wanting to draw girls all day. So after re-reading this, she's in her right to do whatever.

No. 2568019

>>2568016
>called lesbophobic for not wanting to draw girls all day.
bait used to be believable

No. 2568021

>>2568016
I swear to god i can't understand this dialogue

No. 2568025

>>2567992
This is troon-coded but yeah sure how “based” or whatever

No. 2568026

>>2568016
>I might get murdered If I made some moid's waifu into a man
Nah, do it anyway. Genderbending used to be common before trannies/TRAs started popping up and calling it "problematic", low chance any men will see/care, and if they do, it's funny if they melt down

No. 2568027

>>2568025
How, kek? This is such a stretch

No. 2568033

>>2568025
Be kind enough to explain why. Is it troon coded to do a genderbend? Maybe the TRA is you who thinks that literal magical genderbends have anything to do with troons…

No. 2568036

>>2567861
>i think the real reason is because like 99% of these spaces are female, a majority of those being straight. Obviously it depends, but i think alot of the focus on men in these cases are women just writing things theyre curious about/havent experienced and/or theyre attracted to hot yaoi boys.
I agree with this. Just like how the few guys I know who are into drawing draw women they are attracted to (I would never date an artist moid for this reason lol). In spaces where men post art it turns into posting coomer art real quick too, women are just less porny with their art and explore their "attractions" on more levels.

No. 2568042

>>2568026
Idk, there seems to be this stigma where making a female character male takes away rep the same way whitewashing does. I know it's not equivalent hence why it's not as bad. I wouldn't mind genderbending sexualized female characters but won't do the same for amazing ones. Doing it just feels wrong? Like, making them a man makes them worse in way like trying to fix a mistake that winds up catching on fire.
>>2568036
>women are just less porny with their art and explore their "attractions" on more levels.
IDK, I generally wish women were more brazen with how they draw men instead of cladding their bodies in ten million layers of suits but that's on me. I still perfer it over pornfifed depctions of women.

No. 2568043

>>2567928
>>2567894

Confused about the denial of internalized misogyny and misogyny overall in this thread……

Sorry, male characters don't vastly outnumber female characters while the few female characters fit neatly into poorly written or oft trod routes of characterization simply because straight women like men……PLEASE use the brain given you. I can't believe Im reading this.

I'm not caping for the video maker, I haven't watched the video, but reading through the responses feels like I'm in bizarro world. To try to pass that as just girls like boys so duh and nothing else is such a naive at best, almost maliciously disingenuous at worst kind of take.

No. 2568050

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>>2567819
This is so retarded. My ocs are men because drawing cute boys is fun. Anime is already ridden with cgdct slop i dont want to draw women when there are female characters for every niche possible, from post apocalyptic cgdct to spokon to shonenshit to whatever you can imagine. Where does she live that female characters are actually a minority? my twitter feed is 90% animu grills and i dont even follow waifufags.

No. 2568051

>>2567992
>yuritroon
ofcourse, sounds like fanfic honestly.

No. 2568057

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>>2567992
You sure about that?

No. 2568064

>>2568043
>haven't watched the video
>dont get the responses here
The peak of intelligence we are seeing here truly

No. 2568065

>>2568043
I literally dont know a single moid who has male ocs(unless its a self insert), ofcourse no one calls a moid with 3 billion big tiddy waifus a misandrist but when a woman just wants to draw cute guys she gets called misogynistic.

No. 2568081

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>>2567819
she sounds a bit annoying, she cant even make a fucking color ref c'mon like its artfight
also theres so many shit in artfight thats just sparkledogs or shit made by young gen z that i dont see how one would expect proper writing for women idg why people take fandom and ocs so seriously nowadays
>>2567994
its meant to be two women lmao
i was going to do art fight but if this dumbass video gains traction and starts the "durrr why no female character got attention and fansss?" discourse all over again im not sure, some oc fags are annoying enough already

No. 2568082

>>2568057
Crazy how all nonbinary people collectively need canes for some reason

No. 2568095

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>>2567819
Artfight is a platform predominantly female and zoomer (teenagers and early 20s), of fucking course there are going to be lots of male OCs that are just the artists' boytoys, just like how there are moid artists who draw nothing but big booba waifus, but we don't think that makes them feminist or "inclusive". IJesus Christ, feel like we have this same retarded conversation every month.

No. 2568097

>>2568043
the majority of artfight users are young straight women, i cant imagine their reasoning for having male ocs extends much beyond men are cute. In professional movies and books and tv shows as a whole? Sure absolutely theres misogyny, but in fandom spaces filled with women drawing for anime boys for funsies? Im a lesbian and my ocs are women because i like women, straight girls have male ocs because theyre into men

No. 2568109

>>2567898
What a thing to say when the person who made the video is very clearly hurt over women drawing male characters.

No. 2568117

>>2567819
This lady is retarded. I think her degrees were handed to her in exchange for cash and she has all this free time to do these studies because she doesn't get hours at her lab because she's probably insufferable. Her attitude is cancerous and her way of categorizing characters is laughable. To take her seriously is to admit to sharing her brainlessness. I wrote a full analysis of her vid but deleted it because honestly what the fuck is the point. She wants to be a fucking victim over fictional characters that a bunch of women write. Artfight is the one place women can gather together to make silly pictures for each other. If she wants to find more women representation, she can deadass go everywhere else.
She is clearly a fucking injured lesbian who hates straight women.

No. 2568118

>>2568050
I feel like I hate everyone in this situation. The art fight community has issues and is dumb, but the video maker is also dumb. In her aside about race being represented she says she does not count “anime” as being representative of East Asian culture, unless it was explicitly coded as such. What does that even mean? If you draw anime then it has to either be a racist caricature and or over the top stereotypical in its depiction of other cultures? Isn’t viewing these classifications purely through the eyes of American race definitions equally as problematic?

Also it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth when people try to tote their background in STEM or another field as justification for why they must be the authority on these topics. She had an undergrad degree in biology so she is a better authority than a psychology major in conducting this research? So much of what she described is just reflective of her own interpretations of these metrics, if I am suppose to take this somewhat seriously then her data should be cross referenced and checked by others before making any conclusions from it. If she was just presenting this information as is then I wouldn’t really care, but she obviously wants me to be as equally outraged as she is and take a stand against this. I might comb through the data later for better insight, but the whole thing is silly and reminds me of why fandom and online artist spaces can be so exhausting.

No. 2568122

>>2568109
A jealous bitch, maybe? Everytime I see a video like this on my feed I wonder if they're just horny for good lesbian content. Moids can't draw erotica art to save a life so they turn to women for yuri content out of pity or "rep". I wished she admit to that then make a whole video whinging about "hit wahmen" not making the slop she wants.

No. 2568139

In my very special opinion, I think that looking to fiction to tackle things as serious as real life sexism can be silly and result in things like art fight being used to represent the opinions and motives of people who are doing something for simple recreation, but not being able or willing to examine your issues with women and how that can show up in what you draw is how we get fujo tifs.

No. 2568141

>>2568122
>>2568117
>>2568095
With responses like these I suppose vidrel wasn't wrong

No. 2568142

>>2568141
Hating a single person who is forcing labels onto people is not a sign a misogyny. Otherwise, what is the point of this site?

No. 2568146

>>2568141
How she went about really revealed the lack of professionalism in her part. The parts that did seem valid were always outnumbered by parts that weren't which really lessen her argument for me. She must know what it's like to make OCs that appeal to her right? So why is she using someone's sexuality as proof of misogyny when no one goes on artfight to act out their feminist ideals?

No. 2568148

>>2568064
Great deductive reasoning there, detective. In fact, its exactly why I responded to the thread replies and specified that, rather than commenting on the specifics of the the video that I didn't watch.

Responding to the caping replied that suggest that there's no "hey, women are boring and men are more interesting" internalization involved in the skewed numbers.
The idea that women draw men because they're attracted and only that doesn't hold water given that men have been drawing other men forever. Look at capeshit as a genre. Shounen as a genre. Shoujo as a genre for that matter. Yes they include men, but they're for and about women. There's nothing wrong with having male OCs and not drawing 1000% women all the time, but trying to suggest that its only because he he women like men (as if an OC has to be something you're attracted to) and that someone suggesting that there might be more to it is a retarded, bitter lesbian is insane. Is this chime in from people who are particularly young, or just don't have the life experience to see beyond internet insularity? I'm just confused here.

No. 2568150

>>2568146
I agree with you that going about it from a sexuality angle rather than just "huh, women sure make a lot of well fleshed out male OCs and not as many well fleshed out female OCs don't they. Wonder why that is". It might've been less easily argued against if she hadn't delegitimized her points right after making them.

No. 2568153

>>2568148
>The idea that women draw men because they're attracted and only that doesn't hold water given that men have been drawing other men forever
nta Yes it does. People draw what they like. I don't draw women because it doesn't interest me. That's not misogyny, that's preference. I fanart other female characters if they interest me. The video, however, suggests that ArtFight hates women. That's why everyone is rolling their eyes and countering this person's "evidence". We are speaking from personal angles and preferences.
Preference. Isn't. Hate.
Because in that case, if you don't draw (insert minority), you must hate them.

No. 2568158

>>2567819
Honestly funny because while I generally have an even split of boys and girls on AF, the girl in my most popular duo gets drawn far more than the guy, who is rarely drawn solo and I've joked that people only draw him as an accessory to her.
In fact, my girls get drawn more in general. Does anyone on art fight feel like their male OCs get picked more? This is hardly relevant to the video as drawing girls isn't the same as writing them as compelling characters, but, anyways.

No. 2568160

>>2568141
So are men who draw waifus or pickmes who draw waifushit for men suddenly feminist icons

No. 2568163

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I can see the reasoning for differing stances on this but this is so silly, if we are going to talk about misogyny we could talk about how most AF users are a flavour or gendie so even if the percentages were more even users would still be participating in casual misogyny in their lives.
Coming from someone whose OCs are split between being 3/5 female self insert, 2/5 husbandos or "accessory" male characters
I haven't seen the video yet and the Google sheet isn't working on my end so I'm just going off replies, I might come back with a full analysis but it seems so obnoxious kek.
>>2567977
Bronies but not pegasisters? Fuck off, as if an autistic moid can write anything decent about women.

No. 2568164

>>2568163
NTA (argumentative anon) and I agree with you strongly. That would've been a better approach, the male to female OC and writing quality differences could have been scant supportive evidence if anything. Women trying to get a way from being women via fandom spaces is nothing new. Even if the reasons are clear, there are just as many women who don't take that route. Nice toriningen picture also. Stacy picnic in the desert would solve a lot.

No. 2568171

>>2568065
> I literally dont know a single moid who has male ocs
Are you talking personally, or..? If yes then you really need to know more people nona

No. 2568200

>>2567994
people always do this kek, theyll complain people dont draw whatever enough and then never think about how they arent drawing it either?

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>>2568095
It’s the same thing over and over again. Anyone who bitches and whines about women not drawing what they want are just as bad as scrotes to me atp. Wish nonas would just shut the fuck up and post their own OCs online if it’s such a big issue. Oh wait; they’re too busy complaining about everyone else is doing.

No. 2568216

>>2568148
it's very easy to say "i do this thing because of my sexuality heehee" and to pretend it's a surface level issue when that couldn't be further from reality. misogyny is truly, truly ingrained on a near molecular level due to how much social conditioning there is to make us view women a certain way, but that's understandably an uncomfortable subject for most. nobody wants to think that they have issues viewing womanhood, especially when it pertains to something supposed to be fun and mindless like art, which is why they're so angry when replying here and why they're trying to shut down the conversation. i'm surprised that so many presumably female anons on LC of all places are fighting against the idea that internalized misogyny could dare be present in their day to day lives and hobbies, and i think you're onto something with the chime in being from young people or summer anons. i similarly think it's weird that anons take issue with the phrasing "AF users hate women", they take it so personally.

No. 2568225

>>2568216
It's because plenty of anons like drawing men they find hot or cute so being told they do it because they actually just hate women is annoying to them. Also we all know nobody is making videos criticizing men for drawing too many women, but gotta police what women draw!

I'm only been skimming the conversation, but did the video maker take other things into consideration? I know a lot of people who don't draw humans and instead just draw cute animals or mechas, where do they fall? And how strict were they on the rampant gendie shit? So many troons draw one sex and then pretend it's the other, so a if a tif draws a girly girl but insists it's a he/him/ they is that then a male character?

No. 2568227

>>2568216
TA. Thank you for understanding, Nona. I'm argumentative and bitter in my responses but its because I feel like this is damn near gaslighting to be in a female dominated space where no one will even entertain the possibilities being presented above. I'm not looking to be right I'm just confused as fuck.

No. 2568229

>>2568216
Peak bait.

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No. 2568236

>>2567894
Womp womp womp
Womp womp womp
Heyeyeyeah
Heyeyeyeah(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)

No. 2568237

>>2568225
A lot of this kind of example is comparing apples to oranges IMO. If this then that but we aren't talking about those things.

>So many troons draw one sex and then pretend it's the other, so a if a tif draws a girly girl but insists it's a he/him/ they is that then a male character?


Insisting its a he/him is more indicative of ingrained misogyny than anything because why can't it just be a woman. Why the he/him. He/him is like shorthand for it being more interesting /cooler to be male than female. That female characters can't have all the traits a male character can. Same goes for tiffery IRL many times.

The thing that's a bother about this whole conversation is that no one is saying the users in this thread are horrible misogynistic bitches. The video was about AF users and her findings on them. Even if you use art fight that may not be you. I hate this term to death, but "hit dogs holler" is ringing apt. There's no need to go falling over yourself to defend how you're not misogynistic at all you just like men. As another nona quite succinctly put it, internalized misogyny is down to a cellular level. As I make this argument, I have internalized misogyny about something else. We all do, unfortunately. Things don't cut off cleanly as we wish them to sometimes and as "stupid" as it may feel to granulate on this about OCs and fandom, our ways express themselves in everything we do. So where this applies, it applies.

No. 2568239

>>2568216
Are the moids who draw dozens of animu grills weekly and hate male characters or simply don’t care for them considered misandrists..?
Yes internalized misogyny in women is a big thing, like the girls and women who hate being seen and perceived as female so they decide to troon out, because being a female is the biggest insult to them. And a lot of women/girls also picked up from the shitty writing that plagues many, many female characters in media who were written by moids which contributes to these ladies writing shitty female characters themselves on art fight which the video mentioned
However on art fight’s platform, yes it mostly is about attraction and sexuality, not internalized misogyny. It’s centered around OCs and most people are gonna want to create characters they’re attracted to, even if subconsciously. Because hey, you’re going to get art of these characters, and you have to upload a ref sheet of their design and make a bio about them too, why would anyone waste time doing this to a character they’re not attracted to?
Do you think that the overwhelmingly female fanbase of series like enstars or love and deep space are all misogynists? They’re playing these games because they’re into boys/men, if you forced them to play a female centered game then they simply wouldn’t be interested in it because they’re not attracted to females. These gacha games/yume games know what they’re doing, they create their characters specifically for the female taste. It’s all about appeal. Don’t act like just because a woman is straight it automatically means she has internalized misogyny. The result of this kind of reasoning would mean that only lesbians are the ones who aren’t misogynistic…

No. 2568246

>>2568239
>The result of this kind of reasoning would mean that only lesbians are the ones who aren’t misogynistic…
nta Nona that's the point. I am telling you this is one of those high quality, expert tested, pro bass fishing type of bait. You cannot win here without regurgitating exactly that which she feeds you. It's a "we are all born sinners" approach.

No. 2568252

at the end of the day if you're only drawing characters you're sexually attracted for coom reasons you're genuinely not going to make it. and that's fine. no one has an obligation to make it and not everyone has an artist's soul. just don't make it anyone else's problem
>but moids
men can't be artists.

No. 2568253

>>2568239
Moids are an awful comparison point because they just don't work the same fucking way.

Fandom you consume, especially shit like LaDS which is made as a boyfriend Sim, at its core, is also an almost irrelevant comparison. What you create and are inclined to create based on your own thoughts, feelings, un/sub/conscious is what we're talking about here. Its not saying everyone involved is an awful bitch who hates other women its saying there might be a facet worth looking into here. Its not a 1:1 but its like asking a black girl why she only wants to play with the blonde doll and not one that looks like her. OK that doll has soft hair, OK she likes the dolls blue eyes. These things are true. She may not think her mom, or herself or her black doll that she plays with, just less, are ugly. But she prefers the white doll for whatever reason. You could argue its preference. She's not being racist but she is expressing the results of internalized racism. This is just a metaphor. Why, as women, are we more deeply interested in males then? OK, attraction. Well, theres also plenty of lesbian fujos or lesbians who only have male OCs. Does everyone make OCs just because they're hetero? All thoughts to ponder. I hope this makes some sense.

No. 2568258

>>2568216
>>2568237
STOP NOTICING THINGS!!!

No. 2568264

>>2568253
You deflect by saying "erm well men just don't work like that", then proceed to make a retarded race analogy. Bravo, nona.

No. 2568265

>>2568252
i absolutely agree but also artfight is for 14 year old girls posting essentially their favorite ken dolls, idk how many are concerned about actually making it art wise

No. 2568269

>>2568268
>comparing a complex issue like patriarchy that has affected women for hundreds of years and directly influences our lives even today to literal toys
People really do lie when they say we're the TERF site kek.

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>>2568163
Samefag, I tried to make notes throughout watching the video but it's just not worth it to fully break it down in any comprehensive way. For starters she's making sweeping remarks about Artfight, a site with nearly half a million active users as of last year, based on a sample size of 200 users. That is ridiculously small, and I can't take many of her points nor this discussion seriously because of it I am a legalfag, not a STEMfag so that might have something to do with it. I don't like that there's no data collected on the users either, because then we'd know what demographic is making which characters.
I will note that I find it interesting that all of her AF characters are female, including the ones she was drawing in the video. So she's not hypocritical, just has an ugly style, but she is being obnoxious.
>"[..] pseudoscienctific study where you sound really really smart"
I kind of want to recreate this study in the middle of AF (as in, when everyone would have their profiles and characters finished) with tweaked variables and larger sample size to see what I get.
This discussion is also interesting but I feel like the fact that this may be due to multiple different factors that may not all be positive or negative is getting a bit lost. People aren't a hivemind even when they have similar values (like AF users).
>>2568164
>Stacy picnic in the desert would solve a lot.
Yes, absolutely.

No. 2568273

>>2568264
Men are ruled by their dicks and hate women as a default. Its not "erm" anything.

You find it retarded because its about race, if you find it irrelevant you can elaborate if you choose to.

>>2568268

I can't even understand your response. But for what I could pick out, I'm both black and a woman, that is why I used that example. I don't expect you to be psychic, hence why I've explained myself. If anything lacks detail, please let me know. You using the "w-well what if she wants to work with something that's easier to manage unlike a substance–!" is almost comical and proves my point. Its incomparable. Synthetic fibers don't feel like straight hair either, if you're going there, and that argument of "well its just easier to have straight hair than manage the hair coming out of your head!" is used similarly to how you're using "well male characters just…!".

This is NOT about race and I do NOT want to take it there but I don't think you realize that you're proving my point. Its an internalized bias. Its a bias. Its internalized. You can't see, touch, taste, or feel it but its there. You can only become aware of it and work on that.

No. 2568278

>>2568253
>theres also plenty of lesbian fujos
Literally don't exist.

No. 2568280

>>2568278
I think its fucking stupid but yes, they do. Lesbian or "lesbian" they do exist and have been talked about at length both in artist salt threads and others.

No. 2568281

>>2568280
Oh, I'm aware people who label themselves like that do exist. I just don't believe they are being honest.

No. 2568284

>>2568281
Thanks for clarifying. If that's the case nona, I agree with you.

No. 2568298

>>2568253
>theres also plenty of lesbian fujos or lesbians who only have male OCs. Does everyone make OCs just because they're hetero? All thoughts to ponder
Nta but as someone who has spent years coming across "lesbian fujos" on tumblr/twitter/discord and even the friendfinder thread on this very site, and getting to know them just to figure out their whole deal, turns out all of them were just bi and preferred women as irl partners but still enjoyed consuming porn of males kek. Many genuinely seemed convinced they were lesbian though despite their obvious actions, it was strange witnessing it every time.

Anyway I think actual lesbian and bi nonnas who want to share their female OCs should join the personal creations thread on /m/ (pretty please) >>>/m/485635

No. 2568301

>>2568298
A great idea. But just be aware that nonas will post roidpig moids in there as well. (Me. I'm one of them.)

No. 2568311

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>>2568301
KEK our hotpot thread of delicious OCs and Elsie edits.

DAERHT SNOITAERC LANOSREP EHT NIOJ!

No. 2568326

>>2568298
Speaking of posting OCs, is Cow Fight anon still around? Love to hear what she has planned in a fortnight

No. 2568350

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Mentioned Ripushko earlier, she decided to make a very odd maneuver here.
>I know that you are here only for horny pictures, but
>Proceeds to make a vaguely passive aggressive comment towards people who are not comfortable seeing war footage
Maybe it's poorly translated. Maybe she didn't mean it to be passive aggressive.
I know she's going through a hard time, and I don't think anyone really deserves that sort of treatment. However, it was an odd move in my opinion to… post this. I understand wanting to support those in need! I do! But I decided to take a peek to see if she maybe had the funds to do so herself, to set an example.
>Set to private in 2021
I'm not sure if 119,555.85 UAH is a lot or not. Maybe she's hiding Patreon numbers from Russian stuff..??????? I know nobody is required to be upfront with this but, kek this shit made me feel a Certain Kind Of Way.

No. 2568366

>>2568350
sometimes it feels like artists actively refuse to not post things their audience clearly doesnt care about, i know its a serious issue but i dont think it looks good unless she has posted serious stuff before and even then it seems worse mentioning your situation and then mentioning/acknowledging the horny pictures, it should've been a one time pinned post or something with a link to donate because wtf are her twitter followers going to do about russia? kek

No. 2568369

>>2568350
People act like you are an awful person for not wanting to see war footage and graphic pictures of dead children on your timeline.

No. 2568376

A quick suggestion for Cow Fight, should we have an anchor post so everybody can (you) it with their OCs? That way, everything is easier to find.

No. 2568379

>>2568366
What's crazy is that this was followed by an ad for her newest piece; femboy Miku Hatsune. the whiplash was real.

No. 2568381

>>2567304
>>2567306
>>2567310
I'm late but I'm the person who uploaded these pictures on one of the fandom discourse threads through a catbox link alongside screenshots of his date of birth lol I think I have more but I don't want to spam the thread with pictures of this ugly ass moid

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>>2568379
>femboy Miku Hatsune
God. I know degen shit has existed of Miku since inception but what the fuck.
>>2568376
Not Cow Fight nona but good idea! I feel like there should also be restrictions on how many OCs anons could post so we don't get a handful hogging the thread accidentally or not.

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Blogpost incoming! I think something that's really fascinating is that I'm at war with myself lately. Part of me thinks
>You are absolutely garbage for an artist your age honestly.
But then when I see someone better than me, their skillset has a massive hole in it. An artist can be absolutely amazing at drawing and rendering humans, but god forbid that human has a pet dog kek. They have no idea how to draw a small pommerannian. Chinchilla? Crocodile. Monster character? They're absolutely incapable of drawing the body of a shark, limbs of a gorilla, giraffe legs, etc. So it looks so silly and bad. But when it comes to drawing things, I'm a jack of all trades. Master of absolutely none. Everything looks of equal quality, be it bad or whatever. It's like when you allocate your skill points in a game to all of the stats instead of minmaxing.
I find it more harmful to minmax than to expand your skillset everywhere. I mean, really, drawing animals is pretty easy when you realize they all have the same parts, just arranged differently. Be it an elephant's elbows or a bat's fingers, it's all the same. I think each topic of thing to draw is linked in a way; anatomy leads to animals, insects lead to mecha, stuff like that. I don't think this will help anyone or anything, but maybe someone else felt this way too. If you spread yourself thin, your improvement will be slower, but you have less to grind, where others are still at the toddler phase but draw specific things really well.

No. 2568487

>>2568461
samefag case in point

No. 2568511

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>>2568487
I know his "kangaroo" is a massive meme but I feel like he could have saved it a little by saying he was drawing a joey

No. 2568570

>Anyone who complains about male bias in OCs is a bitter lesbian who hates straight women
>Any lesbian who has male OCs or likes yaoi is actually straight
I knew this discussion would end on someone needing to make it about lesbians or their fujo derangement syndrome like it does every fucking time. This is why female art spaces are full of callouts and trying to cancel each other, because women absolutely need to nitpick at each other and wokescold and try to force each other to fall in line with their own interests. They're OCs that live in some random artist's head I can't imagine being this pressed about some TIF on Artfight having a page full of male OCs that she probably only draws once a year. You all sound like those trannies on Twitter crying about AO3 popularity charts not having enough f/f, even when you pretend you're just being critical of internalized misogyny your real feelings come through eventually.

No. 2568572

>>2568150
A dialogue could be had on why women don't bother to flesh out their female OCs. But each time it's brought up, it always devolves into a shit flinging contest to see who toss shit the farthest. You sexuality as main factor to OC gender ratios might be retarded but does makes sense when you consider preferences and all that. But then, why are their straight women and men who mostly draw the same sex?

No. 2568574

>>2568381
His birthday is a common knowledge, it's March 19. Post the photos here

No. 2568582

I’m very late to this discussion but
>>2567819
>>Women are 3 times more likely to have 'goonerish' designs than men (her words not mine)
>>Female characters are far more likely to be uploaded simply to be an accessory piece to another character (12.3% versus 1.0% for men) additionally men were more likely to have more in-depth writing in their bios
How is it with all these reactions, no one addressed the first part, and only like 1-2 nonas mentioned the second? It just immediately got oversimplified down into “she’s hating on women for drawing men they’re attracted to” but clearly the female characters they make aren’t treated that well either.

No. 2568589

>>2568487
How can you fuck up a kengaroo this badly? Did Proko never drew animals in his entire life?

No. 2568593

>>2568237
Then what do you and her want? More straight women making lesbian OCs? I'm not joking by the way, I'm dead serious? And if it's not lesbians you want, GNC maybe? The reason some might move away from drawing women is to get out of their comfort zone and try new things. I want to try new things. Many want to try. I'm not saying drawing the same ass thing is boring. Women can dress in way more things than men unless you're actually based and draw men as whatever, but most people don't.

No. 2568596

>>2568589
iirc he’s got “aphantasia” so he’s might as well have never seen an animal in his life if he’s never drawn it

No. 2568624

>>2568596
nta I wonder if that is self-inflicted or something of a developmental issue beyond his control. I know photographic memory artists seem to struggle with drawing from imagination - they can only sraw what they've seen. Is it a location in the brain responsible for that? It's all so bizarre!
>>2568593
nta Straight woman bad. Lesbian good. Something something anything positively associated with men (fictional or real) is misogyny. Straight women are too dumb to be in charge of their own agency therefore straight women are perpetually fucked.

No. 2568627

>>2568589
>kengaroo

No. 2568638

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Do you guys think it's too old to pick up drawing again at 25? I've had multiple attempts at drawing, but it didn't work out. Part of me wanted to draw again, but the older I got, the more shy I became about picking up my pen again. Mostly because I don't think I can compete with other people…

No. 2568643

>>2568638
No, i have been drawing since i was a child and i am still not good at drawing. Its about innate talent and not when you start. Maybe you can get good in 2 years or get stuck at begginer level forever you wont know if you dont pick up a pencil and draw.

No. 2568645

>>2568638
yeah it is too late you shouldve started when you were a feetus theres no age to improve at art nona, good luck!

No. 2568652

>>2568239
i'm not calling anyone a straight up misogynist, and like the other anon said, i'm also not interested in being "right", it's just weird that everyone is opposed to even considering the topic? having male characters is fine, wanting to draw male characters is perfectly normal, and i'm not saying anyone can't? i also never said women should only draw lesbians because "hetero bad", i'm actually arguing that hetero art/characters would be cool to see a bit more of but these spaces, despite being comprised of OSA women, feature near exclusively same sex male couple art or entire worlds devoid of even one woman. despite nearly all of these artists being women themselves. this is why i understand the internalized misogyny argument the video maker is claiming.
i'm also not making up what i'm saying about fujos and female artists self admitting they struggle to "write women" or even "relate to women", you can go in some threads even on here and read posts like those yourself. i don't care what anyone draws, and i can't believe i'm being told i'm policing what anyone should draw when i also never said anyone NEEDS to stop drawing men and NEEDS to draw women. i was only saying there are deeper than surface level reasons to never write or draw interesting female characters or any female characters at all, in some cases.
>>2568582
probably because it proves our point.

No. 2568657

>>2568171
I am part of a big artist discord and not a single moid has a male oc, they all have waifus. If they have male ocs then they are either futas or femboys and also want to fuck them. Where do you live that moids have male ocs?

No. 2568662

>>2568252
Anons say things like these and then you see their art and its dogshit kek.

No. 2568672

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>>2568657
NTA but that's so weird, I wonder if it's a generational thing? All the artscrotes below the age of 30 that I interact with almost never draw men, there was even one who I thought was a teenaged girl until I heard 'her' speak on the voice channel.
Older men mostly have edgelord dark knight / sorcerer OCs or chunklord barbarians, you know things are grim when Dark Blademaster Xoxxlzyxxtryxx, Archduke of the Gorespires begins to feel refreshingly original.

No. 2568674

>>2568672
Do these even count as ocs? when i think of oc i think character with a backstory, biography and name, not random nameless character. I dont think its fair to compare the 80s art landscape to something like artfight tbh.

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>>2568122
>A jealous bitch, maybe? Everytime I see a video like this on my feed I wonder if they're just horny for good lesbian content
>>2568117
>She is clearly a fucking injured lesbian who hates straight women.
>>2567928
>I always see the “woke” people on social media (often times lesbians) who are bitter and go on rants that gay pairings and men in general were always much more popular than lesbian pairings/female characters in general in fandom spaces
Wow, the way lesbians got brought up in this conversation certainly feels natural and not like people randomly projecting their grievances.

Regardless, I don't care for the idea that female heterosexuality is under attack when someone criticizes the hyperfocus on male characters which typically includes m/m. A lot of these people obsess over and give money to media made by men, for men, even when the moid creators blatantly despise women. In fact they're often among the many people who look down on and make fun of heterosexual romances made by women. Considering artfight is gendie/tif central, I'm not sure why you're so compelled to defend people who probably hate straight women and hate being straight women kek. It doesn't sound like you're defending straight women's sexuality, it sounds like you're upset because you think your group that warrants multiple containment threads is being attacked.

No. 2568677

>>2568676
no1currs art is meant to be fun not to be political, trying to shoehorn things you dont want to draw onto your art is how we ended up with the current western animation landscape where there is no passion anymore, only politics and troonshit. Shoujo is fucking shit and i say this as someone who reads shoujo, 99% of shoujo female protagonists are as interesting as a piece of wet cardboard so its no wonder women gravitate towards shonen where the characters are allowed to have some sort of personality that isnt ''squeee senpai noticed me blush uguu''

No. 2568681

>>2568674
Sorry, I probably wasn't particularly clear in my post, I was trying to describe a broad category that older moid artists' OCs fell under. I would consider their characters OCs, they'd have names and complex mythologies and worlds built around them. More than one of them started life as TTRPG characters.
OCs are generally variations on the media we are consuming, so I can see why younger men who grew up on waifu gacha games and animu starring prepubescent girls would end up with mostly female OCs.

No. 2568683

>>2568681
I guess so, most of these 80s dark fantasy art pieces are to promote something. Either a game, magazine or board game so i wouldnt exactly call them ocs still. I think an oc has to repeat a lot through an artists work to be considered an oc. I unironically consider greek gods and jesus and oc for this reason kek.

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>>2568122
Shoujo isn't the only media made by women, there's still a variety of genres within shoujo, there's josei which tackles more mature topics, and 99% of shounen is utter slop too with extra misogyny
>no wonder women gravitate towards shonen where the characters are allowed to have some sort of personality that isnt ''squeee senpai noticed me blush uguu''
Have fun reading slop made by moids who despise you and are friends with a convicted pedo

No. 2568687

>>2568676
> It doesn't sound like you're defending straight women's sexuality, it sounds like you're upset because you think your group that warrants multiple containment threads is being attacked
spot on kek

No. 2568692

>>2568684
Maybe some people dont want to read about romance? how is that hard to comprehend. Again, i read shoujo and josei, even some that are misogynistic like princess jellyfish, because yeah just because something it's made by a woman doesnt meant its the most morally correct piece of art ever made. Women are flawed, too. Also funny you are moralfagging about anime but you yourself refuse to stop watching animu. There are a lot of female centric shows in live action(like parks and rec, OITNB, orphan black, mrs america, etc) but you never support real women and actresses you just want to nag and moralfag women into drawing what you want, you dont give a shit about real women.

No. 2568698

>>2567894
This is the most retarded comment I've seen so far kek. So you only want to see men? No women whatsoever? Is it not bleak to you that your own sex is represented so poorly in fiction? Swear to god, some of you need to read feminist literature for once in your lives

No. 2568699

>>2568698
Women drawing whatever the fuck they want is more feminist that women being conditioned to draw for others. because ''t-think about the drawn pixels feelings''. Fake and shallow activism. Go volunteer at a rape shelter or soup kitchen. Ofcourse you wont because that takes more effort than annoying women on the internet about your faux feminism. Sufragettes would be laughing at you knowing their form of activism took effort and lead to change while your ''activism'' is aout revoking women's freedom to draw whatever the fuck they want. Go complain to men to draw better women, see if they give a shit.(infighting)

No. 2568700

>>2568692
Again not all shoujo/josei is romance, they're demographics and there's multiple genres and stories that don't have romance.
>Also funny you are moralfagging about anime but you yourself refuse to stop watching animu
I don't even watch anime kek, I stopped years ago aside from reading shoujo/josei stuff. I'm mainly a live action watcher because I prefer seeing real women instead of the ones in anime. I was bringing up examples of one of the types of fandoms who hate on media made by women.
>but you never support real women
Do you not think the women creating the media count as real women kek?
>just because something it's made by a woman doesnt meant its the most morally correct piece of art
Never implied otherwise, you're just getting really defensive when you were the one shitting on shoujo in favor of shounen

No. 2568703

>>2568657
If those ocs are just playdolls then it’s understandable that most are female ocs. However anyone who has an actual story, like a comic, will definitely have male ocs, which obviously includes moid artists. Again I think you’re basing your judgement too much on anecdotal experience, there’s obviously plenty of moids out there who have male ocs, self inserts and femboys count for sure but even other male characters exist too

No. 2568704

>>2568700
>Do you not think the women creating the media count as real women kek?
funny you say this because according to you supporting a yume/fujo drawing whatever she wants is misogynistic.
>Again not all shoujo/josei is romance
please, most of it is. If its not romance then its mahou shojo, or boring sol slop. Not every woman is into that and that's fine. Instead of moralfagging drawing into drawing what you want, you should make your own shoujo that appeals to women into shounen or more action focused shows.

No. 2568711

>>2568703
>However anyone who has an actual story, like a comic, will definitely have male ocs, which obviously includes moid artists.
Most of those male characters are terrible though. Self inserts that exist only for fanservice reasons. Most men are more likely to watch something with an all female cast(like madoka, cgdct slop, mahou shojo, idols) than with a all male cast(spokon). So the comparison falls flat. Female characters are more appealing to the viewer/reader in almost everything but shounenshit, and even in shounen the male protagonist is meant to be as meak as harmless as possible not to threaten the male viewer and so he doesnt steal his waifus.

No. 2568722

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>anons are unironically crying about "representation" and "internalised misogyny" in random innocuous Instagram/Twitter art
Yep, summer is here kek. I draw women a lot better/more often than I draw men, but no shit people aren't gonna be responsive to your point when you come in framing it like "this MUST be self-hatred" right off the bat kek. How about you lead by example?

No. 2568728

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Nonas if any of you have books on children's illustrations I would really really need them. History, phsichology, theory, anyhting.

No. 2568732

>>2568711
Can you guys stop basing everything off of shitty tranime shows and manga? Yes we all know that weeb subhumans have shit taste and waifufag moids tend to gravitate towards all female series. I’m not really sure what this has to do with moids having male ocs or not though. The original statement that moids never have male ocs is simply absurd and nona was basing this belief off of some random art discord so it must be true.
Decenter yourself from weebshit and acknowledge the plenty of somewhat more “normal” moids who are autistic and like creating stories that have plenty of male ocs with the whole background, personality, story arcs, and relationships, all the traits needed to have a “genuine” and proper oc. Yes they exist and it doesn’t mean that they want to fuck these male ocs, not every single oc someone makes automatically means the creator wants to fuck them believe it or not.
It honestly seems like some nonas here genuinely believe that creators are supposed to be sexually attracted to every character they make up

No. 2568739

>>2568732
The original video is about artfight ocs, not about characters for actual stories Fucking artfight ocs made for fun mostly by teen girls, you are moralfagging about women having fun and comparing them to authors making a product. Insane. Go sperg to those moids about their lack of well written female characters, nothing more useless than focusing your activism on what teen girls do for fun online.

No. 2568741

>>2568570
OK. If that's all you took from the entirety of that conversation that's fine. Don't care if lesbians like yaoi but for being women who like women, engaging even still in male centered content and majority creating the same (in this scenario) is unusual. This does not boil down to fujos. This is not "wokescolding" its trying to point out that there's an unacknowledged facet to all of this that some nonas are swearing till they're blue isn't there. That's why it's unconscious. Women grow up their entire lives seeing female characters who are accessories, love interests,~bad ass ~ but only in a few specific ways, I could go on. Male characters can vary in a world of ways by default and the world is catered to and centered around men as a default. To claim that doesn't reflect in ones subconscious is absurd. But since every nona claiming that male OCs are drawn because he he men cute and thats it. Since those particular nonas ITT can all access the Red Book and delve their subconscious so lucidly, the point is rendered null. And I just can't agree with that. And to upend your point, I'm a lesbian. I do know the history and point of yaoi and its target and value towards women and its tempering of men/access to non-threatening sexuality. This is not about that.

But again, if that's all you took from this, so be it.

No. 2568743

How the fuck is a retarded tif having more female ocs on artfight going to improve world's view of women topkek. You can tell most of you are too chickenshit to go complain to moids to make better female characters.

No. 2568747

>>2568739
They maybe nona should’ve been more specific that her statement how moids don’t have male ocs was about art fight. Which still isn’t true at all lmfao. Male art fight users still exist even if they aren’t the majority and them having male ocs isn’t a rarity. Also no it doesn’t mean they want to fuck these male ocs. Some of you might genuinely be living under a rock/echo chamber if you can’t believe these type of people exist. Then there’s gay or bi moids who DO have male ocs they wanna fuck, how many make gay furries on there with countless male furry ocs are on artfight for example?
Also where the fuck did I ever criticize women on artfight for having fun? Are you mistaking me for some other anons or something? I think it’s perfectly fine for women to have plenty of male ocs and her not caring much about female characters isn’t always internalized misogyny, she might just be straight

No. 2568750

>>2568743
Or, I don't give a shit what moids draw. They're not going to properly represent women. I'm a woman. I can draw myself. The point ITT hasn't been waaaah only draw women. Its been, odd how even among women male OCs are favored and fleshed out yet female ones aren't. Have nonas in here saying shit like, they don't find women interesting, and I do not know what to say. I don't care what some woman on twitter draws, I don't use twitter. I just don't understand how so many here don't find any of this odd at all and won't even consider the thought.

No. 2568751

Hoped this would've been squashed by the time I woke up kek. In the end it truly boils down to two approaches. (>>2567819
congrats OP who posted the vid that sparked this wildass discussion)
>Let women draw whatever they want. It isn't that fucking deep.
>Seeing this phenomenon is evidence of a deeper issue that is going unaddressed.
It appears as if this specific vid was made by a lesbian that's pissy because of her attitude towards women doing whatever they want. "It gets worse" being repeated several times, over and over with each detail mentioned. It was less a direct attack on lesbians as a whole, and morso pointing out the fact that this video maker acted a BIT like Juby in tone.
Seeing the issue as an underlying problem with internalized misogyny makes sense; sometimes it is. Sometimes our behaviors towards fiction is a reflection of how we act in reality. Sometimes. Yes. It can be true. However, the way nonas on this side of the argument are wording things, it comes off as if it's also targetting, well, everyone. It boils down to wording. Simple as that. It's not everyone, but applies to someone.

But to participate in this exchange, I hope all opinions provided took into account the quality lacking in the video posted. It was kind of essential to the disagreement kek

No. 2568753

>>2568699
DA but i can't stand people like you.
>Go volunteer at a rape shelter or soup kitchen.
i'm not here for brownie points but i've done actual activism for women in the real world, including volunteering and donating hundreds of dollars to women's organizations. is it not possible to care about a multitude of things at once, to ponder about intricacies in a hobby i partake in, and to simply have a discussion online? like does it actually make you THIS angry that some women believe in the feminist concept of female socialization and want to discuss it? if it makes you this mad to talk about, you should probably dip out of the conversation and do something that makes you happy. come back when you get your one month chip in anger management, yeah?
>>2568743
the reading comprehension here is absurd. nobody's saying that we're trying to improve the world's view of women we're simply discussing a common phenomenon in hobby groups. god forbid anyone asks questions and speculates about anything. plus, asking men to make better female characters is a moot point here because the conversation - internalized misogyny - does not apply to them.

No. 2568755

Sorry nonas but male characters are just as shallow and shit as the bland female ones you complain so much the only difference is that you want to fuck one and not the other.

No. 2568756

>>2568747
>They maybe nona should’ve been more specific that her statement how moids don’t have male ocs was about art fight
It's a response to the video, its not my fault you are too lazy to watch it. Some women dont like female characters or drawing women and thats fine, there is no ''internalized misogyny'' it's just preferences. Hell even in lolcow out of all places we have women who like characters from pedo scroteshit like strike witches and blue archive, you think any male would like fujoshit or yumeshit for the male characters? ofcourse not. Claiming that not drawing something means you must it or have internalized x or y is just plain moralfagging. Especially since women are often way more open to reading and drawing female characters than male are to reading or drawing male characters.

No. 2568757

>>2568753
Thank you for putting this very eloquently
>>2568751
Thank you for the same, and for making the points less aggressive. But this, is the point. That no one will even consider this. That in and of itself speaks volumes IMO.

No. 2568759

>>2568753
>like does it actually make you THIS angry that some women believe in the feminist concept of female socialization and want to discuss it?
Because your ''feminist'' moralfagging always ends up in shitting on women for what they do, even if its harmless as fuck shit like drawing male ocs. A hobby is about having FUN it's not about your retarded sperging about female socialization. Its such a nothing burger that affects absolutely no one but you are treating this like women's lifes depend on it.

No. 2568761

>>2568750
It’s because everything is always centered around men for both genders. We live in a society etc
>the belief that bisexual women are ackshally straight
>the belief that bisexual men are ackshally gay
>it being normal for men’s idols being famous sport players, if his idols are all women he’s gay
>it being normal for women to always center themselves and their lives around their man or men in general
>most media having men being the protagonist
I’m trying to find that image of text that talks about how men are so misogynistic that they accidentally make themselves be in homoerotic situations on how much they dickride their male idols, does anyone have it

No. 2568764

>>2568704
>funny you say this because according to you supporting a yume/fujo drawing whatever she wants is misogynistic.
Well no, I had an issue with the kneejerk reactions saying the video maker must be a "jealous bitch" "bitter" "injured lesbian" and then the conversation somehow being about how she must be hating on straight women and that lesbians are expecting straight women to make lesbian ocs and shit. Do you not see the misogyny in that? I have no respect for those who act like pickmes, berate or degrade women over innocuous shit, support misogynist/sexpest moids, or fall for gendie/tif bullshit. Otherwise I don't care if a woman draws only male characters, I just ignore them.
I also think it's okay for women to have grievances with the fact that most media, no matter mainstream or indie or in the freedom of online spaces, will be centered around men and treat male characters better. I think it's okay to acknowledge and discuss this and the assumption that they must be bitter lesbians or trying to force straight women to draw women is insanely meanspirited but that's what I expect from LC.

No. 2568765

>>2568750
>Or, I don't give a shit what moids draw.
NTA but I don't see how you admitting to this double standard is supposed to disprove the other anon's point kek

No. 2568766

>>2568756
I did watch it though…? Jesus Christ and here you bring up more irrelevant stuff that really doesn’t have anything to do with the original claim that moids don’t have male ocs

No. 2568767

>>2568732
What are you talking about? I didn't even mention moid ocs. My point is: schlick all you want to males, but female characters are mostly badly written and we should do something about it

No. 2568768

>>2568728
Children's illustrations in general…? I ddidn't know anyone had anything of the sort. I only know of old children's books with art in them.

No. 2568769

>>2568676
If
>>2568751
is true and the video creator is a lesbian then it means our suspicions were right kek. It’s always some bitter dyke angry that heterosexual women are straight and therefore will want to upload her male boytoys on art fight instead of uploading a hypothetical female character that she will not care about.

No. 2568772

>>2568728
Carl Bark's work for the old Disney comic strips is really foundational for children's animation and comic books, I've found reading and just plain old copying some of his technique has been handy for making work that is appealing to children.
https://batcave.biz/27755-the-complete-carl-barks-disney-library-2011.html
I don't know if this will be helpful to you but I've always had an easier time learning through emulation than theory.
Sorry I'm not able to help more.

No. 2568776

Oh my god all the threads on LC have been pure retardation since summerfags decided to shit everything up

No. 2568778

>>2568732
>It honestly seems like some nonas here genuinely believe that creators are supposed to be sexually attracted to every character they make up
the 'why do if no coom?' logic appears in the fandom thread fairly often too, I think some anons just have the assumption that 'like' or 'enjoy' in regards to a character (oc or not) refers to sexual or romantic interest, not any other kind. If people can't comprehend why anyone might be motivated to write genfic aka the story type that most often reflects that of the media they're fans of in the first place, I'm not surprised it isn't clicking for them here either. Also of course moids make regular male ocs, where else would many of the slash shipper favourite male characters come from if not eg shounen series written by men about their ocs they doodled in notebooks before getting their shit together and making a story to publish?

That's not to say, by the way, that any anon reading this right now is in any way 'wrong' or whatever if that is how she views her ocs and that is their purpose for existing, power to you, but it is silly to generalise all other artist's motivations to be the same by default and therefore purely a reflection of innate sexuality and little else.

No. 2568787

>>2568769
>>2568759
Jesus christ why are some of you so angry at this kek. God forbid we question things, even hobbies. Now we are eviiil dykes who just won't leave the poor straight women alone… so sad!(infighting)

No. 2568789

>>2568769
Samefagging but I just want to say that as someone who’s lurked and been part of several gacha communities that are infested with moids, I can confirm that women creating their pretty boy ocs on art fight is based.
The men in gacha communities will always seethe at male characters and will always just want their underage female waifus. I know how they behave in the genshin, Arknights, basically any mixed gender gacha generals.
And let me tell you, lesbians who have no clue about the behavior of these moids and what they say are truly retarded.
>tweet showcases the discrepancy of the gender ratio of playable characters in genshin; a dozen female characters compared to one or two male characters for example
>dykes in the quotes will be like “genshin is healing” “sooo based i love women” “good, stop releasing male characters”
Meanwhile these female characters were quite literally designed by and for moid incels. The moids in male community sites will cheer that male characters aren’t released as often. There are these special brand of braindead dykes who unknowingly align themselves with moidcels. I’ve literally seen them claim that genshin releasing female characters is feminist keklmao.
And on the other hand, the fans of male characters will always be like 80-90% women. They were made for WOMEN and not moidcels.
I might even go so far as to saying that dykes who cheer at male characters being treated unfairly have more internalized misogyny than straight girls who care more about their male ocs on art fight. Because they’re basically cheering for the female fanbase being treated unfairly, while also cheering with the moids who hate male characters and female fans.

No. 2568793

>>2568772
no no it's a good suggestion. I'm gonna fit it in somewhere in my thesis

No. 2568802

>>2568765
The other anon is complaining that women are too "chicken shit" to go to men to better represent women. And I'm saying that deflecting the point onto men and away from women who represent OURSELVES the same way men do or not at all is an issue.

It feels like a kid doing something wrong and when caught pointing at another kid and saying "but what about him!!!!". Of course men should better represent women, they're the most misogynistic things out there, but I don't need to go to men for anything. This isn't about men.

No. 2568820

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You guys can understand that artists trying to be as ~inclusive~ as possible by drawing 200+ lbs, black, brown, vitiligo, hijabi, amputee wheelchair characters is retarded so why cant you also understand that forcing straight women to include characters she’s not attracted to on her art profile is not a realistic option?
If someone drew only white/light skinned characters and no black/brown characters are they automatically racist? If a straight women only has male characters or mostly male ocs on artfight does she automatically have internalized misogyny?

No. 2568823

>>2568820
Thinking of comparing every dice roll of human permutation to one of two sexes, the one that the person actually is, should spark some internal dialogue.

No. 2568838

>>2568823
Nta Mecha artists, environmental artistd, fashion artists, animal artists get fucked then I guess?

No. 2568841

>>2568823
>be 16 year old girl on artfight who loves pretty bois
>adore the attacks she’s gotten of her twink boytoys from past years
>”ahh i barely have any female ocs..i don’t want people thinking i hate women ><“
>”b-but i hope people draw my cute twinks this year too!!”
>posts female character
>”hmm that’s not enough…let’s make more female characters!”
>posts more
>gender ratio is now closer to 1:1
>event starts
>new notification pops up
>gets excited, thinking it’s an attack on her twink oc
>it’s one of her new female characters she made for based diversity
>”oh…! uhm..thank you attacker-san i loove it ^^”
>people start attacking the female characters and attack her twinks less compared to previous years
>event ends
>art that could’ve went to her beloved twinks instead went to her new characters all because nonitas on lolcow.farm would call her a misogynist who hates women

No. 2568843

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>>2568841
Vic..tory…

No. 2568868

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>>2568769
Nta but the video just sounds like
>Despite everyone claiming to be queer/LGBTQ++++++ and progressive, no one is actually into women nor are they exploring other cultures outside of their own, just drawing an anime character with ambiguously dark skin (who ends up being a background character anyway)
Instead of basically saying "some of you are lying about being queer and should just say how you really feel" she's approaching it from the angle of "try genderbending your male characters to female to meet your progressive quota!" Like way to suck the fun out of art lol.

But also it's not entirely a bad idea to genderbend because society is so misogynistic that girls and women across the globe generally feel like they "just relate more to guys" because the entire world promotes the idea of "females are lesser", so genderbending a male character they have already humanised into a female character would show these kids that female characters don't need to be written like retards to BE a female character.

Picrel is some art I found on twitter of a male character with his female genderbend having fun. Basically I think if these "I'm a human so I must be nonbinary!" type children can reach this level of female character creation they might actually discover they don't have to do shit like calling themselves nonbinary and queer when they're just straight and can be straight without dehumanising themselves (and their female characters) in the process. If that makes sense.

No. 2568873

>>2568841
How many people are actually going to complain to directly someone on artfight to add more female ocs though? This is just overthinking because some youtuber complained about it

No. 2568879

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Ok, at first I thought I was a schizo but I see this art "style" around too much: rendermaxxed to the asshole but with horrible anatomy/zero construction or harmony. It usually was the other way around, what causes this? How does this even happen? Do zoomers practice cool effects first? Why?? I mean sure it looks cool on the technique but it clashes horribly to the overal picture to see wonky shadows because they aren't coherent to the face shape because it's all fucked up for no construction. It's a curious phenomenon, I really wonder from where it stems, it also comes with no linework and blurry eyes, there is someone famous out there that does this shit and people are trying to copy?

No. 2568897

>>2568868
>Despite everyone claiming to be queer/LGBTQ++++++ and progressive, no one is actually into women nor are they exploring other cultures outside of their own, just drawing an anime character with ambiguously dark skin (who ends up being a background character anyway)
Yeah that was her first mistake. I’m tired of seeing this repeated in the thread but it’s ultimately true, that most women are straight even if they try to deny this and that’s why they’ll tend to create pretty twinks they’re attracted to.
The ocs you upload on artfight are not representative of your politics whatsoever and you guys need to understand this. It’s just a fucking art event for funsies where people share their dolls they like playing with.
I’ll give artfighters the benefit of the doubt and believe that most of them are left leaning people who condemn the whole racism, homophobia, troonphobia, misogyny, etc.
Sure it might be true for some situations that women ignoring other female characters is internalized misogyny, prevalent in straight women/fujos who love putting down female characters for the sake of males but that would be offtopic

No. 2568911

>>2568879
>It usually was the other way around, what causes this? How does this even happen? Do zoomers practice cool effects first?
If I had to venture a partial answer, I would say that it is at least partially explained by the shift from traditional to digital mediums. Some traditional artists with strong foundations never really learned how to recapture the effect of their old hand painted colors with digital brushes when they switched over.
Now artists are starting on digital younger and younger, it's really easy to cheat a bad drawing with extensive rendering especially if your main goal is likes or reposts, hence why there is a lot of rendermaxxing of what should be practice drawings. I think this accounts for some of what you're noticing.

No. 2568915

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>>2568879
Oh man that looks classic 2008 type devianart stuff. My guess is because tutorials on coloring are easier to follow than actually working on understanding and perceiving 3D objects.

No. 2568918

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>>2568879
From what I’ve noticed, a lot of tiktok tutorials focus on rendering and not the actual drawing. Lots of artists also push the whole “rendering is magic!!” bs and ignore everything else. Yeah, rendering makes art better when the art was already decent. There’s also so much focus on getting a specific style. But since these people are just following trends and don’t understand art, they go with the most obvious traits, usually the coloring/rendering/eye style. So you end up with this, people who don’t know the basics but can show you 20 different effects they saw on tiktok.

No. 2568929

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damn, i suck at drawing and i barely know how to pick up a pencil, but all of my OC's are women as i am allergic to draw moids, now i wonder if the few people who saw them ever noticed? i'm bi in denial btw, not like this nonnas…

No. 2568976

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I low key hate these because the autists who don’t wear deodorant at AX aren’t going to listen to anyone in the first place. They can’t even be bothered to say excuse me in the fucking artist alleys. I remember seeing a moid say he doesn’t wear it ON PURPOSE just to be a fucking nuisance at cons. Death to all stinky people

No. 2568986

>>2568976
Mao is def a stinky bitch kek

No. 2568994

>>2568643
>>2568638

Talent is a myth. Even if you were one of those crazy good artists they still put the work in to understand the fundamentals. Art is something you study and put in practice.
It's like the difference between bad, mid and exceptional doctor.
>The bad doctor prob slacked off a lot and got help from parents to pass med school and it reflects in his career. Yk it's a bad doctor bc they pass responsability to other doctors disguised as "second opinion" or straight up make your life 10x worse. They also have no love or interest in the field but do it bc of status and money. They also never leave their comfot zone bc it implies effort in ssomething they're uninterested.

>Mid doctor has a geniuen interes in the field of medicine and always tries their best to improve and expand their knowledge. They do good work with what they have and they prob had a couple of courses they struggled with but that doesn't mean they're a shit medic and it's evident in their work.


>The exeptional doctor manifests itself once every 10000 people. It's like they were born on this earth to do that and only that. That's the type of person that makes their whole life their career and they thrive in that mental stimulation. The type of perosn to push foreward medicine and understands and relates soo closely with the field that it's almost part of them. They take on unusual cases and prob work in nieche fields of meidcine.


70% or artists are different levels of mid doctors with the 20% being exceptionally bad and 10% being exceptionally good.

Just bc your mid doesn't mean it's you're bad. Just bc you're past your sponge brain age doesn't mean you can't intimately know a subject. It just means it'll prob take a bit longer and it'll be more fristrating. As long as you put in the work when you're unsure about something/wanna improve, you won't be a shit doctor.

No. 2569001

>>2568976
weebs are so fucking cringe, disgusting, and embarrassing

No. 2569003

>>2568976
Idk I find it kinda cute. But you’re right, people who don’t wear deodorant aren’t gonna start just because it has miku on it

No. 2569021

>>2568789
>dykes in the quotes will be like “genshin is healing” “sooo based i love women” “good, stop releasing male characters”
Why do I get the feeling that none of the people you're talking about are actual female homosexuals?

No. 2569048

>>2569021
I they’re lesbos because of the lesbian flag icon border they often use or the ♀♀symbol in their bios or display names. it’s not that hard to figure out

No. 2569073

>>2569048
Anon was implying you were talking with Troons/ Fakebians me thinks

No. 2569079

>>2569073
I know, and I also don’t think they were troons either. They all seemed like young people, maybe often underage, which would explain their retarded and naive behavior

No. 2569083

>>2569048
Nta but a lot of girls on twitter will call themselves lesbians because they treat it like a cool girls club, like they don't even e-date each other despite claiming to be into girls and having the same hobbies, that's what makes it so fake to me. Honestly I've never met an actual lesbian on that site they're always obsessed with moids or acting better than other girls because they're into moidish coomerbait characters. It's all so fake to me.

No. 2569103

>>2569079
Ntayrt in general I don’t expect any form of intelligence or sense from zoomers who like genshin and other waifubait gacha. Any “progressive” queerio who likes that is gonna be dumb enough to call it representation.

No. 2569138

>>2569103
Yeah I forgot to mention that these are pretty much yurifags which are an underhated group. Some of the most obnoxious cunts I’ve ever seen. They gravitate to hoyoverse games because they love the “lesbian” rep they often have, ignoring the fact that none of these ships are really canon because it’s not allowed in their country and it’s mostly done for moids who fetishize lesbians, not underage dykes on twitter. That’s another big reason why they cheer on the release of more female characters

No. 2569146

>>2569138
Why are you calling underaged girls dykes and regularly calling women cunts? Did you come from /ic/? Go back.(infighting)

No. 2569149

>>2569138
>Cunts
>Dykes
Reading your post brings out the same distain that I feel for twitterfags and I'm not even lesbian.(infighting)

No. 2569154

>>2568879
The lack of line work pisses me off so bad. Especially those who proudly admit they do it purely out of laziness or because it's the part they hate so bad they refuse to practice it at all. Don't care when its done as an artistic choice but when its retards listening to other tiktok retards telling them to skip what they dislike ugh (I have NO doubts that if some idiots think it's ok to skip line work if they hate it, they probably think it's ok too to skip practicing/learning anything useful for their level because they find it too boring or something). At that point bring back coloring books if all they're interested in is coloring

No. 2569155

>>2569149
This is the same anon who got mad at some anons for being “feminists” or “moralfagging” and constantly calling other women dykes/cunts. Only trannies or women who are extremely misogynistic would spew shit like this. I’m not a lesbian either, I’m heterosexual, but I can’t imagine seeing underaged girls and immediately calling them “underaged dykes “ and referring to them as cunts. What the hell? What a fucking weirdo.(infighting)

No. 2569160

Do you guys prefer SAI or CSP? I’ve been using clip studio pint, but I just installed sai the other day, and I’m trying the demo. SAI seems way harder, but I like the stabilization. How do I have the same feeling as SAI when it comes to pens/stabilization?

No. 2569162

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really disliked that video and i disagree with it but some of these posts feel genuinely homophobic
also is the fandom discourse thread locked or something? why did all the sperging move here? its barely art salt because anons are talking about so many other aspects of fandom it feels like they're on the wrong thread
>>2569149
>>2569155
its too close to a logging just for retarded fakebian posting about chinese waifu bait kek

No. 2569239

>>2569160
only related because of CSP mention, but i just recently got it after using fire alpaca since 2015 and i actual feel like a complete retard using it. Do you guys have any specific things to do to warm up to a new program or do you just draw till your comfortable.

No. 2569262

>>2569160
Sai. I tried csp for a few months, had a lot of cool brushes, made some illustrations and short animations, but it wasn’t for me personally.
>How do I have the same feeling as SAI when it comes to pens/stabilization?
Honestly I don’t know if you can. You can get something close by changing the stabilizer setting. But csp does have a lot of useful tools so what matters is if what you like about sai is important enough to you to outweigh the benefits of csp. I did try using both, using csp for certain features and sai for drawing, but eventually I thought I don’t really need csp’s tools that much. The caveats about Sai for me are pretty basic transform tools compared to adobe/csp, no animation, and no option to center align text. And always seeing interesting brushes made for every other program kek. Otherwise, I love it.

No. 2569302

>>2569160
Used to use sai but switched to Clip years ago and prefer it over most other 2D programs I've used. I don't really care for stabilisation (or most tools in general tbh) kek– I just brute force everything with a couple custom brushes, so can't help you there.

>>2569239
Limit yourself, treat it like pen and paper and not a massive toolbox and canvas. Find some videos or tutorials going over the program/the parts you need it for. Best way to get used to drawing in a new program is unfortunately to just sit and draw. Simple tip though is to go through the settings and change the keyboard shortcuts to match what you're familiar (in case they don't already).

No. 2569317

>>2568976
Apparently, these sold out very fast from what I heard. I couldn't be fucked to go to a convention if I have to deal with smelly assholes the whole time. My sensitive nose would die.

No. 2569322

>>2568042
I always wonder if women artists avoid being too brazen because they're trapped in maintaining a 'good girl' image? Especially since so many yield to callouts.

Even if she decides to be brazen, unless she's crazy, male-pandering, or a kweer, her NSFW will never be as deranged as a moids. So I wonder.

No. 2569326

>>2569317
those faggots will literally buy anything if miku/fotm waifuslop is slapped on it

No. 2569368

>>2569160
CSP. Although, I haven't used SAI in a while + I don't use stabilization. Krita was better suited for me than SAI (which is why I didn't use SAI for a while), but CSP is my main choice.

No. 2569386

>>2568820
Because no one here is actually consistent in their ideologies. Fuck any other group that ask for it, but if it's women then it's okay to be worried about diversity and force everyone to twist their hobbies to their interest. Half the nonas here are just as annoying as the sjws/gendies/etc they hate but only for their singular pet issue

No. 2569416

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>>2568638
>Do you guys think it's too old to pick up drawing again at 25
No, not all all! It's never too late. I'm 23 and I still suck at art I don't shade my art or understand the concept of lighting at all but hey at least it's a fun process all the way.

No. 2569431

>>2568976
I bet this has loads of harmful chemicals for your skin lol.

No. 2569441

>>2569160
I like both equality. For me SAI is the best when I want to draw with lineart, its stabilizer and watercolor brush (the SAI 2 one, not the og SAI one) are unmatched. I love to use it for quick-ish stuff. I wish it were available for tablets, I hate Procreate with a burning passion haha.
Then I ise CSP for more detailed and paintery artworks, I find SAI's brush engine too limited for the paint style I want to achieve.

No. 2569451

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Still arguing based on a study with flawed data because the sample size is only two hundred people. Never change summerfags.
>>2569160
I like old SAI, it just feels nice to work with.

No. 2569462

>>2569451
>shockingly, the thread has moved past this
>you bring it up again
>summerfags

No. 2569480

>>2569451
Didn’t the video say it was 1000 people or am I remembering it wrongly

No. 2569484

>>2569160
Been using SAI for over a decade, I prefer CSP. But I do relapse.
>>2569162
>some of these posts feel genuinely homophobic
I doubt it matters considering how normal it is to hate straight women on this site kek. The hate goes both ways I guess.
I genuinely think everyone arguing about it didn't watch the video and made assumptions, don't draw, and don't even use Art Fight.

No. 2569496

>>2569480
No, it was 5 characters taken from 200 people = 1000 characters. Which is pretty poor because with that number it could have been skewed to show that there were equal number of male and female characters or more female than male depending on one's luck.

No. 2569502

>>2569160
I don't own a desktop drawing screen so csp has been my main bread and butter for years. That might change if I get a screen tablet though.

No. 2569542

>>2569496
I wonder if there is a legitimate way to do this study. Would it require several different people to gather info? Characters are being added and removed constantly, so I would assume that there would be some degree of expiration of information. Someone that had an all-female gallery could nuke their account by the next Art Fight. Reappear, have alts, etc..

No. 2569545

>>2568487
Did he ever redeem himself with more drawing from memory.

No. 2569553

Does anyone else have artist friends with ocs you can’t stand? It’s the only thing my friend draws. For a time, I turned the other cheek but it’s just so overly fetishistic that I wanna just rip it up

No. 2569558

>>2569553
Maybe this is a little twisted and psychopathic of me but I generally prefer to befriend people that I actually respect and appreciate.

No. 2569561

>>2568638
Don't worry nonnie my friend just started drawing at 28. She bought a bunch of sketchbooks and a pack of pencils and she said "it's like being back at school again" kek. Don't fret about it and just enjoy it.

No. 2569563

>>2569551
I find the concept extremely funny

No. 2569565

>>2569553
oh my god yes, thankfully theyre just boring mary sues and not anything gross. Same girl took very obvious design inspo from my ocs too. Shes an irl and sweet so idrc but damn her ocs are so boring and unoriginal. grown women and shes still writing "hes super nice unless you mess with his friends.. heh.. then watch out" ass characters

No. 2569571

>>2569553
No. In fact most of my friends don’t really have “OCs” unless they’re characters for an actual story they’re doing.

No. 2569573

>>2569565
>"hes super nice unless you mess with his friends.. heh.. then watch out" ass characters
KEK nta but this reminds me of my first OC I ever made

No. 2569574

>>2569160
been with SAI ever since i was a kid, and she's never done me wrong. took the leap to upgrade to SAI2 and bought a license instead of pirating and it was amazing. you can get custom themes and shit too, and the scatter/text tools are awesome.

No. 2569575

>>2569553
my friend has really good ocs but she gives them the most fuckass names ever and i dont have the heart to tell her the names are awful

No. 2569578

>>2568728
This youtuber Pete beard makes these videos about illustrators showing their artwork for the runtime.
I rememeber learning about another Hans Christian Anderson fairytale about an ice lady through these videos where the illustrators got work on fairy tale books.

No. 2569580

>>2568252
Drawing hot and cute men drives me to get good. It's rare to find well-executed beefcake art that isn't poorly made or drawn in MS Paint. So, if wanting to draw for "coom" reasons won't get me far, then fine. It's better to exist than to be perfect.

No. 2569583

>>2569573
theyre actually her ocs from middle school, like one of them was like raised in a lab and the other one is a prince and they go to a generic magic school, somehow after 13+ years she hasnt changed the lore… its kinda endearing in a way

No. 2569587

>>2569578
related but petes voice sounds like it's giving out it makes me so depressed thinking he might stop uploading his videos were the reason why I discovered so many great artists

No. 2569588

>>2569583
Kek, I change my OCs lore almost all the time until I don't even recognize them anymore. Was there any reasoning she never changed them?

No. 2569589

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>>2567819
Also super late to the discussion but I'm so glad SOMEONE FINALLY FUCKING SAID IT. I did Artfight last year (before getting banned) and, while I don't agree with all the shit she said, I can definitely agree that slogging through shitty designs, self-hating female artists, and troonery was a pain in the ass.

I will also say that wishing for more variety in character design isn't a bad thing. If there were cooler older character designs that piqued my interest, I'd draw them.

No. 2569596

>>2569484
>don't draw, and don't even use Art Fight
It's very obvious that a lot of anons here don't draw. From what I remember before they got banned (rip), most of the AF nonas had mostly female OCs or an equal split of m/f

No. 2569599

>>2569588
i change mine constantly too kek! i have no idea, she even asked me for advice, changes i would make, and how to get people more interested in her characters (i have a small following for oc content) which i of course gave her but nothing abt them changed. She doesnt even have much of the school theyve been going to since she created them fleshed out. its kinda crazy

No. 2569611

>>2560605
do any other tumblr veterans remember when she was outed for reblogging angry birds porn to a secret sideblog?

No. 2569626

>>2569542
I think archiving pages during the midst of Art Fight (doing it before or after is a bit unfair because people remove characters to work on refs and other things) and then making sure to label the time period the data was collected could solve the problem you're talking about.
The sample size would need to be larger for sure, thinking 500 users at the absolute minimum but 1000-2000 would be preferable (so you'd definitely need a team to do this) and you'd have to do multiple different sets of data of the same sample size (different users) and then work out the average of the different results. So the end size of data would be 3000-6000 users and 15-60k characters I don't blame her for not putting in that much work because it'd be a huge time sink but treating it like undisputable fact is very on brand for a self described autistic STEMfag.
>>2569553
I think I am that friend kek, otherwise no, a lot of my friends aren't that retarded with them.

No. 2569646

>>2569626
That seems like a lot. But, also seems like something the artfight site owners could do actually. They could implement gender checkboxes (male, female, other, n/a) and hidden gender checkboxes for artists (male, female, other, do not wish to disclose) and instantly have all the data. It wouldn't include the quality of characters or writing and may have some bald spots but it'd be way faster.

No. 2569651

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>Made fat oc slightly less fat
>Nobody in comments/qrts even cared and praised the oc for being fat as usual
>He starts explaining that he made her lose weight
>Now his followers notice and express a mix of disappointment and understanding
>He starts damage controlling for his explanation
>Now his followers are sucking him off again thinking he’s being boolied for changing her design
Should’ve left it alone kek

No. 2569654

>>2568638
Life doesn't stop in your twenties you can do anything you want

No. 2569657

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>>2569611
I remember when she got called out for that and reblogging rape hentai (and a lot of other things)

No. 2569659

>>2569651
That whole thing just sounds like intentional cancel-baiting and very standard artist insecurity / begging for attention and validation.
>Nobody noticed, better draw attention to it!

No. 2569667

>>2569575
Can you tell us one of her OC names? I'm curious as someone who has OCs with cringe names but I don't have the heart to change them since I'm attached kek

No. 2569670

>>2569558
It's hard to appreciate an open shotacon. Sorry

No. 2569675

>>2569575
Kek names don’t bother me at all. I just hate coomerdoll characters

No. 2569676

>>2569565
That is kind of endearing kek

No. 2569679

>>2569670
Why are you friends with her then?

No. 2569680

>>2569670
Nta but the ayrt is saying "you should drop her and befriend people you actually like and appreciate" not "you should appreciate her"

No. 2569683

>>2569670
I dont know how to without doxxing, she'll basically get a noun and add a vowel to the end or swap around some of the letters. She did atleast admit to me she's aware her naming skills arent very good kek

No. 2569685

>>2569680
Oh, I misunderstood. If I knew any other artist nonnas, I would. It’s one of those people you end up being friends with just because they happen to be in another group you talk to.

No. 2569689

>>2569683
I guess you could point her in the right direction if she’s receptive to criticism

No. 2569698

>>2569683
>she'll basically get a noun and add a vowel to the end or swap around some of the letters
She could get a job writing IKEA furniture names

No. 2569699

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She’s truly incapable of creating a female oc that isn’t a chubby coomslop design anymore

No. 2569705

>>2569542
You could probably make some alt accounts through a free VPN and just start trawling through the pages and grabbing screencaps.

No. 2569724

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>>2559293
As I stated last year:
1. NO TROON SHIT. IF THE CHARACTER HAS ANY TROON SHIT OR PRONOUNS IN THE BIO, SKIP THEM, NO MATTER HOW GOOD THE ART IS.

2. NO TUMBLR NOSE ART STYLE. IF IT HAS TUMBLR NOSE, SKIP IT.

3. Goes without saying but no furry shit, only animals.

Abide by these rules and you will know great happiness.

No. 2569732

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what's the most effective way of studying an artstyle?

No. 2569733

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>>2569699
>moid covered head to toe
>and not only that, gets to have a personality and interests
>while woman is big titty waifu whose personality is being ~mysteriously~ cute and her job is ~mysteriously~ flopping her humongous boobs around doing basic tasks
Pisses me off kek, they don’t even look like they belong in the same story but let me guess, the secret is she’s from a race of humanoid alien waifus who look like the rest of navimoon’s female ocs

No. 2569755

On the topic of making mostly male characters, other than the attraction angle I think a lot of it is just because you can have a lot more fun making up moids. Want to make a retarded scrote that wrecks everything he touches and is clueless about the chaos and destruction he causes to everyone around him? Go for it, what a fun character, he sure does make for interesting stories.
Make a woman that does the same? You're a troon, you're a man, you're a misogynist, you're a pickme, you're an nlog. How dare you present women in such a way?
Want your tough female soldier to look like a mooing sack of sweaty flesh? An actual ground pounding knuckle dragging goon? Same shit, except now the coomers are pissed off at you as well and the muscle mommy fetishists are trying to cozy up to you now. Yay.
Life is just easier if one maintains a male public facing presence, I can send my retarded barbarian gigascrotes on moronic quests and make them as terrible of human beings as I want to and nobody blinks an eye. Why would I want the headache of introducing women adventures that will just piss everyone off?

>>2569732
Everyone is different but for me either watching videos of artists who draw in the style I want to copy and trying to draw along or just tracing and redrawing images in that style for practice is helpful. You actually can learn a lot from tracing.

No. 2569766

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>>2568728
Probably not helpful as it's not a book but you should check out Janet and Anne Grahame Johnstone. They illustrated a ton of nursery rhyme books and fairytales. They were a sister duo, one was skilled in animals the other in people and clothing. They worked until their death. Super pretty and painterly illustrations. Very 60s and 70s.

No. 2569771

>>2569766
nta but this is such a nice recommendation
their style is so nice

No. 2569861

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No. 2569862

>>2569732
Tracing, redrawing, and altering the art!

No. 2569905

>>2568326
>>2568376
>>2568395
I'm still here! I'm planning on there to be two teams. Right now I'm between Mind vs Body and Cruelty vs Grace, but I'm open to suggestions. How it will work is that each participant will post up to 3 OCs in the thread. Each post must have "Team: (Team Name)" in it in order to count for points. Artfight has kind of a complicated points system for attacks so I think we should simplify and say each attack nets your team 20 points, and friendly fire nets you half that, so 10. Revenges also count for 20 points. Since obviously we don't have profiles on here, if you would like to revenge someone, you can just reply to them and ask which of their OC's that they would like drawn. I'll be tallying up both team's points in a spreadsheet with links to each post in the thread, and then I'll post it at the end of the event (end of July maybe?). That's all I have so far though, let me know what you think

No. 2569914

>>2569905
maybe
lol vs cow

No. 2569927

>>2569905
Why not just steal the teams from the actual AF website?
As for the points, why not just knock the zeros off and keep the numbers small?

No. 2569974

>>2567819
i'll watch this later maybe but, i mean. why do nerd spaces online still have the "durhurdur why does nobody appreciate women!?!?" convo. i am fairly certain art fight and whatever spheres of fannish culture she's covering are dominated by women. women are attracted to men. hence, you will see more content about men. i get that internalized misogyny is a thing, women being poorly written, escapism, whatever, but i feel the core is just that: heterosexuality. if anything i'd argue a woman creating a hot guy is a net positive and benefits more ACTUAL women than a woman just tossing up a half-baked female character, or a stand-in for her own desires. you're feeding women with cute dudes

No. 2569985

>>2569914
Or cow vs farmer

No. 2569989

>>2569732
Copy a piece of theirs, compare, apply what you've noticed in the comparison, try an original piece and compare

No. 2569997

>>2568350
I always give a pass to Ukranian artists acting complete schizo, not because I believe the behaviour is justified but because I think it's unfair for anyone to expect to have a rational interaction with someone in the thick of a military invasion. For example, there are a whole group of them going around dogpiling people for interacting with Russian artists. Is that completely unfair to the victims? Yes. Would I probably also see red if I saw inhabitants of the country bombing me having pleasant interactions online (with their flags in bio) when my distant relatives have been killed? Also yes. It just is what it is.

No. 2570001

>>2568511
I shouldn't have laughed.

No. 2570002

>>2568699
> Women drawing whatever the fuck they want is more feminist that women being conditioned to draw for others
Beautifully said, nona! I don't understand why certain nonas think there's a magical exception for this rule just because they're the ones making demands as fellow women. I love seeing my girlies drawing their hot male OCs because I know in my heart of hearts they're doing it for no-one but themselves and their own enjoyment. It's so pure and genuine that it always puts a smile on my face.

No. 2570004

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>>2569138
My tinfoil hat theory is that hoyoverse yurifags gravitate to lolcow because they see it as a lesbian haven then proceed to sperg out in these threads the same way they do on twitter.com because they can't handle the fact that the female population is objectively 90% straight and 10% lesbian/bisexual. Ladies, relax. We can all co-exist here.

No. 2570016

>>2569755
>People criticize me if I make a female character that has actual character weeeh
Grow a spine and do it anyways? What kind of excuse is this, you clearly just don't want to do it.

No. 2570020

>>2570016
This. I agree with the other anons that it's fine and great for women to have fun making male characters and it's stupid to guilt them into making characters they don't care about, but I don't get why straight women make up excuses like this. You're attracted to men and it's more fun to make OCs you find attractive, it's fine just own it.

No. 2570029

>>2569698
KEK rude, ikeas names are just Swedish words or names, they're not made up for the furniture. Bit off topic but it's often related to the item so lamps are often called things like "glow, bright, cozy"

No. 2570042

>>2567819
This video and the thread comments beneath are interesting to me because . . . straight women who mostly draw and write women seem to be extremely common to me? I never draw men and I follow female artists who mostly draw women/girls and I never thought that was unusual either, this makes me think that Art Fight specifically, inadvertently, selects for a specific sort of person.

Come to think of it the of the female artists I follow who mostly draw female characters none of them are doing Art Fight.

No. 2570046

>>2570042
Most users on artfight are probably TIFs or some other flavor of gendie and self insert as the twinks

No. 2570049

>>2570046
There's definitely a social component to it, if the site is mostly seeded by gendies then more people of that sort will join and other sorts of people will not join and it snowballs. So Art Fight is only representative of the sort of people who would use Art Fight.

I was never interested in it personally but hearing about it doesn't make me think that I'd be a good fit for it and as such my normal female OCs never get uploaded there. Probably lots of people in that situation and it skews things.

No. 2570055

>>2570049
I definitely got invited to AF by some TIFs. I just want to draw for other people. If some lesbian has a female character or a TIF that's obviously straight self-inserts as a smoking hot twink I don't caaaaaaaaaaaare pretty design go brr

No. 2570057

sorry but as somebody who comes form an older fandom whose community is only active on facebook, insta and forums it is always a big red flag to me if an artist only other social media is tumblr i always avoided that place like plague and everytime i try to give it other change i am always proven right

No. 2570064

>>2567511
he looks like a morrowind npc

No. 2570095

>>2569575
i get you nona. my friend's oc is called another word for testicles. she's ESL so i don't think she's aware. a very sensitive individual, she's balls deep into this oc's writing and lore so i leave it be.

No. 2570097

>>2570095
>balls deep
kek

No. 2570113

>>2569651
Why does he care? Why can't he just admit that he has a fat fetish?

No. 2570142

Why the fuck is it so hard to get actual concrete critique after a while? It's either
>Oh nona, I don't see anything wrong! It's great!
Or it's absolute caveman tier bullshit bullying
>lmao this looks like pure ass
Like FUCK just tell me WHAT looks like ass so I can concentrate on fixing it. Some moid I tried to look to for advice just said my style "sucks" which, ok, yeah! Tell me how. Let's get this ball rolling!
>It's anime. It's chibi. It's just all anime. Anime sucks.
?????????? And he cherry picked from my fucking gallery. Mother fucker what. I'm learning this new style for fun. LOOK AT MY OTHER PIECES. And he just loses interest when I try to redirect him.
>Just stop drawing anime.
Bro those are shitposts. I'm going to fucking kms

No. 2570174

>>2570113
I think they are self aware Nanaco is a fetish character. In the original post the comments were basically all people complaining till they locked the post from further comments. To me it read as someone trying to get ahead of a social media scuffle. So far this is the only thing that makes the think the artist might actually be female because I don’t think men care so much about possibly being cancelled and they mostly don’t feel the need to assert their boundaries with their characters/audience in this way. But then again they might just dislike the idea of Nanaco being less loved and that pisses them off which does come across like male waifufag behavior. For the most part I don’t think they handled it all that bad, artists that kowtow too easily to their followers get bullied by their followers.

No. 2570274

>>2568638
you can be 30 and sort of know how to draw or you can be 30 and still be total shite. for me i'm turning 26 and earnestly started last year. i wish i'd started five years earlier (when i foolishly thought i was "too old" to learn art at fcking 20 kek) but as that one comment said, time will pass anyways

No. 2570289

>>2567819
I'll watch the vid later but from what I've observed in my fandom space at least it's because people just don't want to admit they're just interested in the male characters (mainly because they want to fuck them/"mother" them plus they tend to be main characters pushing the story so they get more focus of course) and the ones who like to point this issue out never actually do anything but complain about it. Sometimes they'll make half hearted posts about their fav female characters out of guilt only to go right back to slobbering over their male favs, it's funny to watch.

No. 2570298

>>2570142
>And he just loses interest when I try to redirect him.
My condolences for trying to tard wrangle a decent critique out of him. I hate autists who don't understand stylization and think anything that isn't photo realistic is literally the same as >>2565590 's picrel (bonus points if he perfectly understands stylization when it comes to his coomslop of choice kek). Though I'm curious since you said he looked through your gallery, did you ask for critique on your whole body of work? I find it more productive when I'm seeking critique to keep the scope super narrow (e.g. "is the shading on the wood here believable?" "does the linework feel too simple/detailed" stuff like that, for one specific image usually). The more free range the critic has, the likelier it seems to get either empty positive comments or bullshit like you've described unless you get lucky and are talking to someone with teaching experience (and already knows how to narrow the scope by themselves) or just has very similar aesthetic sensibilities to you.

No. 2570303

>>2569146
>>2569149
>>2569155
>>2568787
>suddenly redtexted but other inflammatory comments didn’t
Kek did someone report anyone who threatened their sensibilities, this is all nonas having issues with teenage girls being called cunts and dykes or themselves being called bitter dykes(infighting)

No. 2570323

>>2570289
The video is crucial to the hours-long spergout of the thread. It has nothing truly to do with fandom spaces in general. Just Artfight.

No. 2570324

>>2569732
Pull it apart, deconstruction and annotation is your best friend, treat it like a body on the autopsy table and figure it out. Break it down into pieces and their elements, see what patterns occur and where and why. Practice enough and you can reverse-engineer any style/piece of art

No. 2570333

>>2570323
I now realize that after reading the thread lol. It's just that I've seen this discussion a lot so I just assumed.

No. 2570354

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>>2570289
> because people just don't want to admit they're just interested in the male characters
What the actual fuck are you talking about? This entire thread people have been responding to your spergout by saying “we like men, it’s not that deep” and your takeaway from that very simple statement is some retarded ‘gotcha’? Holy kek, you live in an echo chamber. Go outside and talk to normal human women instead of tweeting furiously about how no one understands your 2deep4u yuri waifus.

No. 2570418

>>2570289
kek i’ve seen people act exactly like this in the art-based oc groups i’ve been in for the past decade. mainly tifs complaining about how people’s personal ocs don’t have enough female “representation” but the ocs they inevitably end up lavishing attention onto is their one male. it never ever fails. personally i think it’s because a lot of girls prefer to make ocs for shipping purposes and that often leads to yaoi

No. 2570500

>>2570418
This is a non-issue holy shit your moralfagging is exhausting. Can we get back to real art salt thanks

No. 2570622

I was excited to watch that video (dropped 10 min before it ended because it wasnt going anywhere) when it showed up in my reccomended feed only to be sorely disappointed by the absolute LACK of points being made.
Instead of just looking at the number of female ocs in a predominantly female website why not dive into WHY people might not want to make female OCs and how the ones that are made are treated and dissect why?
Demanding women draw things they don't want to isn't an answer and it would've been more constructive to instead help them unpack why they don't want to make female OCs to begin with- making the creation of female OCs fun again once those hang-ups are resolved.

No. 2570771

>>2567819
Holy shit, I just decided to finally watch the video and her tone of voice is unbelievably fucking insufferable, entitled and full of fake rage. Not surprised but still disappointed.

No. 2570929

>>2570622
it makes sense. the obvious answer (as evidenced by this thread) is the oversaturation of fandom and online creative spaces in general with a fixation on coom at the expense of all else, but acknowledging that would not be very heckin sex positive, and it's also not something that can be solved as easily as telling artists to genderbend their male favs.

No. 2570930

>>2570929
Drawing the gender you find attractive =/= gooning but as they say, every accusation is a confession

No. 2570937

>>2570930
>gender
lol
anyway if you're only interested in drawing or talking about characters you want to fuck, then you're only exploring a very narrow slice of the human experience, which is a shame, artistically speaking. i wish fandom/art spaces were a bit more expansive than that, but you can do whatever you want.

No. 2570958

I dont draw female characters because i dont want to attract moids. Drawing only husbandos is the only fool proof way to attract female followers.

No. 2570969

>>2570354
why do you jump to
>lesbians
when the more straightforward explanation would be
>sexist (against men)
??? I think it's pretty normal for people to be biased towards characters of the same sex as them. I don't think Art Fight is representative of the average person's preferences.

>>2570418
>>2570622
I think online art communities and spaces like Art Fight select for women who are just more male oriented in their interests. If you look in other media spaces female OCs are not hard to find. I was in the library the other day and there's lot of female authors writing books with female led stories and it isn't all just romantasy either ("This is my detective OC, she's an Englishwoman in her 40s who has apprehended dozens of serial killers and she runs a tea shop on the side with her cat" is the average cozy mystery MC). There are lots of women who mostly draw female characters ("This is my fairy princess she has dozens of beautiful outfits"). These people/communities end up not intersecting with spaces like Art Fight and other online fandom spaces. I do think the shift in fandoms favoring BL has something to do with it. Regardless, if you mostly prefer female characters why would you bother with AF or with art moots who prefer male characters as subject matter?

No. 2571009

>>2570500
don’t get me wrong i don’t think it’s an issue either. i’m not the one moralfagging, i think girls should just make the ocs they want and find fun. all i’m saying is i’ve seen this happen dozens of times and the hypocrisy is why moralfagging about it is stupid, just make whatever oc you like to draw

No. 2571011

>>2570969
>I was in the library the other day and there's lot of female authors writing books with female led stories and it isn't all just romantasy either
Bold of you to assume that anyone who cares about these chronically online arguments reads books.

No. 2571070

>>2571011
lmao, true. I think any nonas that find the emphasis on male characters in fandom spaces to be annoying need to be more adventurous with their media diet. You also need to create the fan content you'd like to see to attract female followers/friends who would like that. People pass on engaging with fandoms if they don't like what the fandom produces. I find the whole debate here really strange because it really lays out how siloed people are that they think women aren't making female OC content or the implicit assumption that people only care about what they want to fuck (so only lesbians care about female characters). The latter especially rubs me the wrong way for whatever reason.

No. 2571114

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>>2570418
I didn't want to jump back into this discussion because it's so tiresome but it's interesting that anons say this as if it's a hard-hitting gotcha and doesn't make them look retarded because it's not like if someone took twenty seconds out of their life to actually look at the characters on her profile and the ones she is drawing in the video, they'd find that all of them are non-troon female. That'd be silly! Just like this autistic collage I now have on my device because you're all so unbelievably lazy. I doubt you guys even watched the video, and I don't even agree with her.

No. 2571118

File: 1750371027442.jpeg (Spoiler Image,130.34 KB, 2048x1434, IMG_5537.jpeg)

If I my eyes had to get assblasted with this racist troon artist on my feed then so do yours, my fellow nonas

No. 2571123

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>>2571118
Oh BROTHER

No. 2571135

>>2571114
These are cool, I like Majedah and Tiresa. 09 scares me.

No. 2571208

>>2571118
where's the racism? also wish there wasn't tits on this

No. 2571222

>>2570622
>>2570771
The video is crutial to the discussion, so afterwards you can tell very clearly who did and didn't watch it kek
>>2571208
It's one of those "If you know, you know" types of images. It'd be more clear if the races were swapped imo. (not that I give two shits)

No. 2571287

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>>2571208
nta I don't know but looking at her gallery she does seem to have some specific tastes kek

No. 2571289

>>2571287
For a second I thought the woman in the bottom right corner had shit herself

No. 2571333

>>2570958
This. The moment you start drawing women you inevitably attract moids who want only girls and nothing else.

No. 2571355

>>2571118
isnt that just het at that point? is just a woman with short hair and man or is it queer because it's meant to be a tranny?
>>2571123
>>2571287
there's the one where shes sucking a tit but we dont really see if there's a dick or not kek

No. 2571362

>>2571287
>getting lectured about misogyny by a tranny freak that draws women being beaten
jesus almighty

No. 2571366

>>2571362
KEK do you have screenshots of that?

No. 2571394

>>2570958
>>2571333
>drawing only moids solely to spite moids
we're reaching levels of male-centrism that shouldn't even be possible

No. 2571430

>>2571394
I get her reasoning. But just drawing objectified men is enough to deter the worst people, even if you still make art featuring women.

No. 2571437

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>>2571123
>do not ask me if my characters are men or women. do not ask me to confirm or deny queerness. you have the power to interpret however you like.
But picrel…? (also, saying “old woman yuri” for twitter bait and then making the butch’s main love interest the troon >>2571118 kek)

No. 2571438

>>2570958
>>2571333
Drawing female subjects in and of itself isn't the trigger. Poses, art style, focus, fandom etc make a difference. Artists like Loish and Meyoco focus more on female than male subjects but their fanbase isn't mostly moids. This isn't something you can fully control unfortunately but I think you are being overly pessimistic to a degree that I think any nonas who want to depict female subjects should outright ignore theses posts.

I think the most important thing is to not exclusively draw beautiful young sexualized female characters.

No. 2571439

>>2571430
Nothing deters men or we wouldn’t have males shitting up this sacred webspace every day. Men shouldn’t even be a factor in what you draw

No. 2571443

>>2571437
Another nasty woman drawing nasty dick in vagina "lesbian" art.

No. 2571466

>>2571439
Beat me to it.

No. 2571471

>>2570303
Genuine question, why are you so keen on calling underaged girls dykes/cunts? Most normal women don’t feel the need to imagine underaged girls in some hypothetical situation and immediately feel the need to call them those things. Seek help.(infighting)

No. 2571472

>>2571366
My bad i thought it was the art of this >>2567819 artist, all tranny art looks the same. Why do they all use that disgusting moss color palette

No. 2571477

>>2571394
Where did i say anything about wainting to spite moids? i just dont want them to follow me. Especially since what i draw(historical art) attracts a lot of coomer scrotes. The niche i draw is already oversaturated with female centric art anyways. It's so annoying to have people constantly moralfag women over what they draw, bet you dont have the balls to go to a waifufag and ask them to draw bishies. Your faux feminism only hurts women.

No. 2571479

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Anyone ever read the Serendipity books? I always loved the way animals were drawn by Robin James. I don't think I could sufficiently say that she's art goals to me, but damn, if only my style could incorporate the way she portrays volume in her characters.

No. 2571487

>>2571477
Drawing only men because that’s what you like to do is based, avoiding drawing women only because you want to avoid moids is cringe.

No. 2571489

File: 1750387271043.png (704.03 KB, 794x1789, artfight.png)

>>2567819
I don't really have anything to say that hasn't already been said about this, but I checked the video creator's tumblr and saw this kek.

Her blog theme is atrocious so here is the plain text
>(if you have sent me an ask and not received a reply it is because i have no brainpower left so it will take me time, i am not ignoring you.)

>i’m going to be so completely honest, if this video has taught me anything it is that i am never putting myself out there again because i cannot function as a “"public figure”“. i’m sorry if that’s disappointing to hear, but as much as i completely agree and would love to see this undertaken a lot more rigorously (and would obviously be willing to accept it if a data set 10x the size of mine found different proportions), i cannot and will not be the one to do that. or rather: if i do it, no one online will be hearing about it publicly thumbs up emoji although my passion and curiosity for this topic have not diminished, the vitriol directed at me over the past days across youtube, my inbox here (i have not been publishing asks i find hateful and unproductive but trust me the number is high !), the art fight discord server, and even anonymous internet drama forums has thrown me into a pit of stress so deep i’ve had one meal since monday and vomited twice thumbs up emoji i don’t say this to "guilt” or “appeal to emotion”, i say it to be extremely transparent about why i do not think i will be making a follow up and it has taken a lot out of me to not straight up delete my youtube account. i understand my video was not perfect but it was my first time ever attempting anything like this and i did not feel like anyone was willing to give me any grace or even consider i might be a person behind the screen. i am grateful to the people who have enjoyed my work, and i am also grateful to the users like this anon who want to actually discuss things with me or give me constructive feedback–those are awesome, and i DO concede that if i had a do-over, there are things i would have done differently. but i’ve been getting called straight up slurs and i’ve watched as a group of people who clearly didn’t think i was around to see their messages proudly called me delusional in the same breath as they admitted that they didn’t watch the video and are going off of other people’s descriptions of it. i am really just not cut out for this i am a very solitary and private person and this entire situation has wrecked me.

No. 2571491

>>2571487
Exactly. I can't believe how many other anons in this thread are so buck broken by current year. Limiting what they draw because they don't want moids in their audience (a fool's errand) or women to witch hunt them for wrongthink (who cares, especially if you're not trying to make money via commissions), constantly asking "is it okay to draw X? am I cringe for drawing Y?". Just draw what you like, jesus god

No. 2571492

>>2571471
Nona, reread.. I am against the anon who was calling girls dykes/cunts, I was pointing out the nonas who voiced similar discomfort somehow were the only ones who got redtexted (at the time I posted) even though there had been a bunch of other inflammatory comments before that. That's also a likely indicator that some person reported them

No. 2571495

>>2571489
This kind of person always plays victim at the slightest blowback kek

No. 2571498

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>>2571489
>anonymous internet drama forums
I wonder what site that is.

No. 2571499

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>>2571489
>anonymous internet forums
Interesting.

No. 2571500

>>2571499
KEK nona stop copying meeeeee

No. 2571503

>>2571500
It just goes to show what a beautiful hivemind we are ♥

No. 2571507

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>>2571503
Lettuce all unite under agreeing this video had good intent but bad execution, the end result and personal opinions be damned.

No. 2571512

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>>2571489
While I suppose she had good intentions with her video I really can't feel that sorry for her getting hated on since none of it was well thought through at all. She should have had the forethought to realize that, especially when you're making a baity sounding video about a smaller community filled with mostly dumb vitriolic teens, they're gonna flip their shit and dogpile you when you get all pissy on your high horse and start accusing them of being misogynistic and racist with flimsy at best evidence. I saw all this backlash and bullshit coming from a mile away even back when I first found the video and posted it here less than a day after it was uploaded kek.
I hope she takes this as a lesson to think things through a little more in the future if she ever plans on putting herself out there publicly with such strong claims and opinions again.

>>2571507
Very well and succinctly put nonners

No. 2571516

>>2571114
>draw men
>call them female
hate when this happens. this is almost as bad as actual troonslop. i just find this kind of art ugly

No. 2571519

>>2571123
God I’ve seen so many tranny tif artists named theo on social media I thought this was another person. Is theo the new aiden

No. 2571534

>>2569905
I don't think we should do teams this year. Keep it simple for yourself so you don't have to stress yourself trying to organize on an anonymous image board. If we keep it to simple OC trading instead, we'll have a lot easier time getting artists to join in too

No. 2571535

>>2571439
True. They'll sexualize literally anything. People need to start using block/ignore functionalities and not respond to known moids.

No. 2571536

>>2571519
TIFs go onto baby name websites to get ideas for their new name inadvertently choosing names that are common with babies and not their cohorts. Theo/Theodore has been a trendy name for babies a few years now.

No. 2571539

>>2571492
Sorry anon. I love you and hope you have a good day today. It’s hard to tell because I do feel like there’s been some antagonistic posters.

No. 2571547

>>2571536
I think it’s also that baby names get trendy because they fit the tastes of the generation that’s currently becoming parents. I’ve noticed relatively unpopular names I thought were cool as a kid are suddenly popular baby names now that people my age are having kids.

No. 2571550

Hey nonas, I don't know fuckshit about adobe photoshop. Is there a way for someone to have a reference image and disable it from showing up during a live stream? I think there was a scandal about artists tracing on some other free program.
I'm trying to do some digging and I think a "professional" artist I follow is up to shenanigans. I THINK they're tracing on Photoshop, but unsure if that's a thing available on there. He's got a Cintiq as well, so… Hm.
Can't post specifics until I'm no longer the most recent person to follow him on any given platform.

No. 2571570

At risk of reviving a retarded infight, I'm surprised by the reaction to female OCs… I make my characters female by default without thinking and not because I'm "the best feminist" (don't kill me anons, I'm not saying OCs are the battleground for activism), it's just the same thing as when males lavish their most attention on drawing gigachads that they find aspirational. Isn't that more common than drawing characters you find hot?

No. 2571572

>>2571570
That's what I thought.

I'm straight but I would save 100 female OCs from a burning building before I saved a single male OC.

No. 2571579

>>2571570
This is actually a really good talking point, video notwithstanding. I'm the opposite. I default to male because I feel more like my female characters deserve special attention. I don't have many, but the ones I have are more well-thought into than the male ones. UNFORTUNATELY despite not being coom designs at all, they end up being favorites amongst my male audience, while the male ones are favorites amongst my female audience.
But lately I just like animals and monsters and machines, so the sex of the character is purely an afterthought.

No. 2571585

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>>2571570
i think its 50/50 and might vary from platform to platform but even if i enjoy drawing men most of my drawings are of female characters from shows i liked and because of that influence, most of my ocs were always mostly female, when i was younger i had to force myself to draw male characters because it was honestly a bit hard in comparison since i was bad at art
also from my experience i'd think anons who only care about male ocs are in the minority, especially since lolcow doesnt have that many users and also since were talking about the ones in these threads
Or maybe we're all too biased because we're just used to interacting with similar people, i always had art friends with mostly female characters and some other anons probably have friends who more draw male characters like they do

No. 2571586

>>2568050
THANK YOU.

No. 2571588

>>2568057
LOOOOOOL this is the type of artist yurifags cheer on

No. 2571589

>>2571570
>Isn't that more common than drawing characters you find hot?
No, it's way more common for moids to draw women they find hot than the latter unless they are like, 15 and posting on deviantart with a naruto pfp

No. 2571594

>>2571539
Thank you nona, same to you. No hard feelings, some of the random hostility was getting to me too. This site can really rile people up including me kek. I do think I could’ve worded my initial post better.

No. 2571626

>>2571570
I actually only draw female characters because they’re the default to me. It’s much more easier for me to draw women, so I was surprised to find that a lot of posters here usually only draws men. I want to practice realism to start drawing men and draw my bias, but I only draw women for now. I’d also like to be able to get into realism to draw more details to women (different features and older ages).

No. 2571630

What’s a good way to start drawing hair and whatnot? I am good at rendering skin and eyes, but I am absolute dogshit at rendering hair. I’ve tried everything and even watched tutorials and whatnot. I feel like I always over complicate hair and my hair ends up looking muddy or winds up looking desaturated, compared to the style of the skin and eyes.

No. 2571633

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>>2571630
Genuinely is heavily reliant on what your style is. I have a handful of tutorials for three different art styles; realism, anime, whatever the fuck this one western artist draws. picrel is for realism..

No. 2571635

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>>2571633
samefag

No. 2571685

does anyone else get overwhelmed when it comes to studying?? i want to git gud but i don't know where to start. like what the fuck do i do first? this is why i'm permabeg while some kid on tiktok already know what's up and has improved leagues above me. if that matters, want to get good at drawing people first and then move to drawing those people in environments. should i start doing those gesture exercises now or start with some other exercises before i move onto that?

No. 2571687

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>>2571570
Some anons probably had a different experience and are more into BL/male characters. But I get what you mean, ever since I was little I would fixate on making female ocs and fan-characters(MLP, PPG, Adventure Time princesses, Pokemon). Nowadays I love designing a variety of women and imagining the stories behind every one. Drawing elderly women (as in regular frumpy 70-80yo grandmas, not gilfs) is pretty fun so I always make sure to develop some as characters in my projects kek.

I’d say Lauren Faust is a well-known female artist with primarily female ocs. In her case there’s both feminist intent and she genuinely loves making female characters. Both intersect as she’s spoken about wanting more female characters with variety and depth, which the old Milky Way website touched on. Of course her working in the industry also has to do with that, but I relate heavily. A lot of my female ocs are types of characters I want to see more of and with multifaceted personalities.
I kind of derailed myself kek but in a world where I didn’t become inspired by female artists making edgy messy stories about adult women, I would’ve loved to make something akin to Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls, Strawberry Shortcake, or Sailor Moon/Tokyo Mew Mew.

No. 2571701

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>>2571687
nta Now that you mention it, seeing your picrel reminded me I followed more women that drew female characters back on deviantArt, before the evil Eclipse and AI integration. Ever since returning to tumblr (due to furaffinity having scandal after scandal) most of the women I follow have male characters and BL. I legit didn't notice.
Even before the porn ban on Tumblr I followed primarily women artists drawing female characters.

No. 2571710

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>>2571570
i usually never found myself making or preferring male characters, even as a child. it's something i kinda need to break since i gotta make a lot of side/background characters for my passion project. that said though i'm totally on the same boat as >>2571687. creating strange, interesting, and complex female characters is much more fun compared to making them male.

No. 2571718

>>2570937
So by your own logic, you're a gooner for drawing mostly female characters? Get a grip

No. 2571722

>>2571437
This sucks ass because the silver fox in the bottom picture would be my type if he wasn't trooned out nooooooo whyyyyyyyy

>>2571570
And I do the same but for males. So why is it such a big issue when I do it?

No. 2571724

>>2571722
You're not oppressed for drawing scrotes

No. 2571725

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Congratulations, nonas. We are discovering that artists draw for different reasons.

No. 2571726

>>2571722
What do you mean by "the same"? I'm talking about making female characters because I understand them better.

No. 2571727

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Lot of anons itt today need to study picrel twice over.

No. 2571729

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>>2571722
>he
That one is definitely female Also the artist drew a comic where she dreams about the ashy blonde troon fucking her in the ass and cooming all over her kek

No. 2571730

>>2571489
In retrospect, I wonder if she feels a bit silly having drenched the video she released with her "credentials". Despite said credentials, she didn't take the constructive criticism very well, when assblasted by angered people.
On one hand, she didn't really use concenting individuals (so nobody could present their best foot forwards or say what they actually liked or used the website for) as information. On the other hand, she sounded pretty venomous instead of speaking purely about how fascinating something was. "It gets worse" is not very professional.
If anything, she could have also scripted the video.

No. 2571734

>>2571570
I do think it's more common than not. Much more than we give it credit for.
I will confess that, when I make a male character, I make him as good-looking accessory to one of my female characters (not necessarily a couple, but he needs to be nice to look at and have relevancy in carrying her story) if he isn't just some stand-alone entertaining fanservice for the yumes. Yes, he's fleshed out, but he exists for the female OCs story/pleasure or to entertain the viewer. It's fun for me, so I'll stick to that.

No. 2571738

>>2571724
You’re oppressing my eyeballs by shitting up the thread over it

>>2571726
I don’t like 99% of women-made female OCs because they’re either male-gaze lesbian Hoyoverse ripoffs, glittery Y2K fashion garbage or 2deep4u cottagecore Nikki girls for their yume self-insert. Then if I try to make female OCs I actually like and relate to, I get dogpiled by retards (like the ones in this thread) who pretended to care about “mUh interesting women” when all they really wanted was more bland anime-style waifuslop. You people don’t fool me one iota. Himes and yumes only make female characters for their lesbian or self-insert romance storylines but fling hypocritical monkey shit at fujoshis for doing the same thing with men kek(fujosperging)

No. 2571743

>>2571738
KEK you sound so schizo

No. 2571746

>>2571738
You need to get off Twitter kek

No. 2571747

>>2571489
she invalidates most of her points by acting like a whiny dumbass, and bringing up lolcow of all things. she really let us bother her, but most of the time we weren't even talking about her. the small sample size is her own fault. she could've spent longer to analyze more characters, but she didn't. it was an interesting concept as well, what a pity

>>2571738
just say you're a misogynist and go. jesus christ

No. 2571751

>>2571738
>I don’t like 99% of women-made female OCs because they’re either male-gaze lesbian Hoyoverse ripoffs, glittery Y2K fashion garbage or 2deep4u cottagecore Nikki girls for their yume self-insert
>I get dogpiled by retards (like the ones in this thread) who pretended to care about “mUh interesting women” when all they really wanted was more bland anime-style waifuslop
This is some kind of derangement syndrome kek, but thanks for confirming you’ve been sperging about lesbians itt over some previous grudge you’ve been brewing in your head and not stuff that people here actually said.

No. 2571758

File: 1750411436354.jpg (1.01 MB, 1079x2750, 1000009915.jpg)

Do we think she refreshed _tasiams's account every day waiting to see if she blocked her? Also IMO it's weird she even announced it like she definitely got some sense of satisfaction out of it lmao

No. 2571762

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>>2571747
Congratulations: we’re all women here, retard! I’m sick and fucking tired of you schizos spending morning, noon and night harassing fellow women over whatever fictional characters they may or may not draw instead of focusing on actual feminist issues in the art community like oh, I don’t know, artists such as Mossa with 500k followers posting lolicon and femicide rape porn of real news stories to their male bases on a regular basis? You braindead baboons claim to care so much about female issues but will go round in circles for days on end ranting about how you’re SO justified in hissing and spitting at real women while ignoring the myriad of men inciting sexual violence against us in the same fucking art communities YOU inhabit while turning a blind eye. You are not some feminist rebel, you are self-hating wastes of space who will never contribute anything meaningfully towards our cause without serious self-reflection. Just imagine if you’d spent the HUNDREDS of messages in this thread seething over teenage girls drawing yaoi, conspiring how to get Mossa’s account taken down instead? But you lazy schmucks would rather go for the easy target. Disgusting and despicable cowardice. I’m so over your horseshit attempts at distracting from real sexism in the art community.(infighting)

No. 2571767

>>2571762
You are replying to anons sharing colloquial evidence that disputes the video and why they personally make or prefer female characters and commenting on the noticeable shift in what content people make in a neutral tone. Refer to this >>2571727 or get yourself checked for schizophrenia because ideals of reference are a early sign, because these are obviously not the same anons you want to lash out at.(infighting)

No. 2571771

Does anynonny here have a good asaro head software? The one I used is now behind subscription (lol Art station already sucked ass in 2018, it's incredible how they are trying to get some money back from the AI fiasco) and I can only find asaro 3d models without light options or just random pics that are useless. Please if you have a good website/online tool let me know.
Anyway, I joined VGen, hoping to get some traction for the next big thing since we are all stranded since the Deviantart and Tumblr fall (no I don't consider social media good for art, it being Instagram or Twitter, we are missing a GOOD art based website) and I find the lack of quality checks embarrassing. I caught someone tracing 3D models with shit lineart and douyin renders that makes money off of it, meanwhile I struggle to get verified because I do not pander to the coomer ahegao blurry eye girl public, the worst thing is that they get paid for it. Did people lose their standard? Why is everything so shit, similar and stagnant? Lets bring back bullying.

No. 2571774

>>2571570
I make all female ocs (and fancharacters because whos gonna stop me kek) because I simply relate to them and thus I can write them better, I like having fun and have my own little world. I don't even do that rationally and it just happens, sometimes I think that if I ever happen to be come famous, of course I would have to do with moids that will cry about not identifying in my art but do I care? No. My art is for me and for people that like it, one time I sent my work for revision, a moid told me that those characters were boring (because they are females and arent getting into fights) and a woman was touched because "they feel real, they feel like my friends" and that's enough. It's not that deep nor serious, my girls are girls because I am one and I want to write to other girls and women and I want them to relate to me and them. Fuck everyone that thinks about this shit too deeply, do not politicize my art and don't see stuff that isnt there, I'm having fun and that's enough and art was always about comfort, any retard that says that art has to be political can fuck off back to the twitter shithole they came from.

No. 2571777

>>2571771
>artstation
Are these the ones you were using? (female) https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GX3Ax1 (male) https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GX3Ax1 They work fine for me, no subscription needed

No. 2571778

>>2571767
Notice how you’re nitpicking everything but my actual response. More distractions because none of you can handle the truth.(infighting)

No. 2571780

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>>2571758
>Brittnie Ortega
Terribad generic art for 102k followers, no interesting vision at all and looks like a poor amalgamation of the other 2 artists, seems like she’s starting drama for attention
>Tasiams
Good art, blocking someone over this is kind of dumb, you’re not the owner of “pretty woman with insta face in object-inspired dress standing next to image of object”
>Javi Khoso
Used to make some neat backgrounds but now only makes boring sexy waifu art which she is terrible at drawing, sending your friends to bother someone for being inspired by you is kinda stupid
Unless there’s some extra beef I’m unaware of, I dislike everyone in this situation except possibly Tasiams, because at least her art still looks good and she’s the only one who hasn’t egged people on to harass other artists. I also support artists blocking whomever even if the reasoning is dumb kek.

No. 2571781

Is it possible to gain followers on instagram if you're just starting an account in 2025 ? # used to work many years ago but I don't think it works with the current algorithm. How does anyone do it ? I don't want to make fucking instagram reels.

No. 2571785

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>>2571758
She’s also calling Tasiams and Javi mean girls kek

No. 2571798

>>2571781
instagram is infested by bots right now and the horrible cut and the lack of organizations isn't worth it.

No. 2571817

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>>2571762
1000x this. I want to support female artists and it pains me to see these conversations devolve into us vs. them bullshit when men are doing everything in their power to make sure we can never have shit. Women should be united against the moid menace, not find more excuses to berate their fellow sisters.

No. 2571822

Freaking hell, why do so many women who are good at drawing troon out. I see a beautiful drawing on Art Fight and then click on the profile and it says “he/they” or something. (The bad artists are gendies too, of course.)

No. 2571824

>>2571777
ah, thank you. For some reason, that head was broken till yesterday, artstation said that only sub members could view it kek, good thing I don't have to make a new search!

No. 2571828

>>2571817
It'd be based if she wasn't the same anon who sperged about how awful all female OCs made by women are in the reply before that one.

No. 2571832

>>2571781
>no reels
I'm right there with you, but also no. You won't have a chance in hell without reels trust me. Instagram is a shit platform anyway I'm pretty sure it's exclusively used for portfolios and it's only good if you already have a following (or got one via reels by reposting tiktoks etc) I have no fucking clue how to make short form content

No. 2571835

>>2571832
Just record a few clips of yourself drawing and then put trending music over it

No. 2571864

>>2571762
>claiming anons are spitting on and harrassing women by having a discussion on an anonymous imageboard
you are actually schizo. kek

No. 2571867

To every nona trying desperately to talk about literally anything other than the recurring topic, I just want to let you know I'm very grateful. My responses aren't worth a damn, and some I have no substance to contribute towards, but thank you.
>>2571822
This pains me. Sometimes I truck through and give them something anyway if the design is That Good.

No. 2571877

>>2571762
has the sharty ever attempted to ruin his life?

No. 2571888

>>2571781
>>2571832
Instagram is such a fucking garbage platform for art even before the whole reels thing was a thing.
>have to pinch and expand images to zoom in
>forced to post in a very limited 3:4 image ratio, longer images get fucked or you’re at least forced to edit the image using a third party app
>if you post a photo set, the first image is the size ratio that all subsequent images in the set are supposed to follow because why the fuck not
>shitty image resolution for everything posted
>can’t even save images on there unless you take a crappy phone screenshot or use a third party website
>trying to post images on a computer is unnecessarily complicated or straight up impossible, no iPad/tablet friendly app version, so everyone is literally forced to phonepost
How any artist could prefer this shitty platform is beyond me. Why do so many industry artists only post on there? I’m convinced it’s because Instagram was one of the biggest platforms back then and they just never stopped posting there or bothered to migrate to other sites. The app interface always feels crowded to me, it was made for normies sharing real life photos on their phone anyway. I vastly prefer the interface of Twitter and Bluesky and tumblr, at least those allow you to post a lot of different stuff such as text. Makes it feel less restrictive. Hell, even tiktok has a much better photodumping system than instagram since it doesn’t force you to stick with one image resolution.
Now that i think about, TikTok is basically a better version of Instagram in pretty much every way. You can post photo dumps without having to worry about image ratios, it’s super easy. And i also haven’t been getting much traction on instagram, i keep losing followers every time i post. Meanwhile on TikTok i often get new followers when i make new posts, and the tiktok community is actually the platform where I’ve gotten frequent comments on average compared to any other social media app. I guess the kids there are more talkative, it’s refreshing to have people leave more comments on your art like that, usually i get no comments on other sites.

No. 2571909

>>2571822
>Freaking hell, why do so many women who are good at drawing troon out.
It's kind of sad how much the Bad Art Thread is dominated by drawings made by technically skilled TiFs. Bursting at the seams with pastel body horror, Roald Dahl presents: The Thing
Best I can tell there is a high level of overlap with neuroticism and artistic skill, same as there is a lot of overlap with neuroticism and dysphoric self hatred. The explanation might be as simple as the fact that a lot of artists with the patience and obsessive focus to develop their talents are inclined to be terminally online shutins, which isn't a very healthy social life. Most young artists I bump into identify as some form of mentally ill and there's a lot of peer pressure to fit in I think.

No. 2571933

>>>2571909
>Most young artists I bump into identify as some form of mentally ill and there's a lot of peer pressure to fit in I think.
A friend of mine I just made is incognito and just outright doesn't put pronouns in bio or allow anyone to ask. Some artists are getting pretty clever in 2
4D chess of side stepping participating in the dumb gendie thing. Others might be hard larping to garner views and whatnot. I sure as fuck am in the "do not address me" camp.

No. 2571966

>>2571817
>>2571762
>Just imagine if you’d spent the HUNDREDS of messages in this thread seething over teenage girls drawing yaoi, conspiring how to get Mossa’s account taken down instead? But you lazy schmucks would rather go for the easy target.
Lolcow is not your personal army. Can you summerfags at least read the rules before posting? God damn, it's the artist SALT thread, not some gayop center for moid lynching.

No. 2571970

>>2571966
kek fr they like to larp as moid hating but cant stop drawing them kekkk

No. 2571994

>>2571985
You probably count as one.
Grade-school aged anons who post on imageboards as new people because school is out and they have nothing better to do. Typically comes hand in hand with misunderstand rules, culture, and general vibes of where they're posting. Considered a nuisance since they don't really consider context of ongoing conversations or board topics and shit up the place.

No. 2572006

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I never bothered to learn how to draw males because I don't care about them or drawing about them. That's it. Yes, I know I'm missing half of a good art journey, no I don't care because art to me is extremely personal and I'm my own judge, great illustrators that circlejerk themselves over men muscles in book anatomy can suck their own dick and swallow every saliva drop that escapes.
Anyway, besides AI, art sites should ban tracing because it's so goddamn obvious and overall, makes a site look cheap as fuck, plus besides this trend >>2568879 , I can see that a lot of this lazy ass "artists" all copy from the same coomer source, angular eyes, sharp chins, smug/ahegao expression and thick eyelashes or black eyeshadow with tsuri eyes. Slugbox isn't as popular anymore so who are they trying to copy? I've seen so many of this stuff from different people.

No. 2572011

>>2572006
I know we have a thread for this (kind of) but holy shit I love doing deep dives into the source of current era art fad. I'd have to do more digging but I remember seeing this shit crop up in furry spaces too. It looks so disjointed.

No. 2572017

>>2572011
https://vgen.co/LucyLuVT

At least 75 people paid for this shit. At least 75 people paid for a person to trace over someone else's work or ych without understanding basic anatomy. This art style is popular among men and men that coom after vtubers, either they paid to have their oc/fav tuber in a setting so they have visual help or I don't understand why would someone waste their money on such a low quality, soul less art and how do "artists" post this shit without shame. We live in a "dont judge!! don't be a meanie!!" kiss assing internet so much that promotes the enshittification of everything. i didn't draw like this not even in middle school and I was so self conscious about my art that I didn't post anything online until I was 21 and well into my artistic journey because I constantly compared myself to big artists and went "No this is not good enough" and kept getting better. Modern artists are just yeah ok, let's trace over a model, slap a color and done, coomy art! I know I sound like a back in my day old fart but no, art without the intent of getting better and without soul, only done to appeal other people is cheap trash and people should be more critical,

No. 2572019

>>2570354
Why are you sperging out at me kek? That is literally the only thing I posted about that video, calm down. I was talking about my similar experience in a fandom I'm currently in, they occasionally like to point out how male centered the fandom is only to do nothing about it themselves and go right back to business.
>Go outside and talk to normal human women instead of tweeting furiously about how no one understands your 2deep4u yuri waifus.
Wtf lmfao I think you need to follow your own advice since you're fighting ghosts here, I don't even care about yuri.

No. 2572033

>>2572006
I don’t think they are copying anyone in specific just throwing as many fetishes into a character as possible in a bid to get attention

No. 2572040

>>2572006
>art sites should ban tracing because it's so goddamn obvious
toupee fallacy

No. 2572044

>>2572040
There are tracers that trace to get a grasp on shapes and placements, it's not so morally wrong if you do it to get better (in fact, in some cases it's even encouraged to get your hand connected to your brain - it's not that easy) and if you don't trace from other pieces but rather from references and tracers that are just lazy fucks like picrel that don't even care about coeherent lines, make everything look wonky because they just do one line and call it a day, just because they have to mass produce cheap coomer objects. The latter should be bannable

No. 2572045

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>>2572017
No communication, 3 month delivery time, and that level of quality? Who is even paying for this?! I have deep respect for people who make money off of their art even if it's ugly but damn, seriously, who is paying for this when there's thousands of skilled artists out there lowballing themselves on commissions.

No. 2572076

>>2571888
>I vastly prefer the interface of Twitter and Bluesky and tumblr, at least those allow you to post a lot of different stuff such as text.
Ironically this is one of the reasons I actually like Instagram for art: it’s set up so that your profile looks like a gallery of your art, and people don’t have to wade through your other posts and reposts (and the reposts can go to your story). I can understand the annoyance at the bad image resolution, but I guess that at least stops people from stealing high-quality images kek

No. 2572079

>>2571888
Also, I don’t like that Twitter and Bluesky (1) have such a small text limit and (2) don’t let you edit your old posts

No. 2572080

>>2568728
Nona this may be a bit difficult to navigate but may I introduce you to fairyroom.ru? It contains an archive of children’s book illustrators from late 18th century onwards, many eastern euro artists but they have a large number of artists from other regions. It’s a great place to find inspiration. If you don’t speak Russian, just auto-translate it to English and poke around on the site, you’ll enjoy it a lot. This is one of my favorite resources and I love sharing it with people.

No. 2572088

>>2571933
I hope that the current overheated climate in some online art spaces cools down eventually, the one silver lining is that it's standard practice for the deranged artists to conveniently label themselves as such in their bios. It sucks that a lot of the gendies and head cases can be interesting or perfectly pleasant people to interact with when they aren't all frothed up so it feels bad ignoring them but you just know it's impossible to trust them.

>>2572044
I'm fascinated by adults who have been tracing and denying it, for over a decade in some cases, without ever showing any level of improvement in their line work or understanding of space. It's like a glimpse into an alien consciousness.

No. 2572089

>>2572088
I have a personal art cow that is in her 30s and has been drawing the same since she was 16 and shows no improvement. I posted her in the autism thread some years ago and people replied to me that's fine to be a hobbist and not all artists strive to become the next DaVinci but to me going 10+ years without improving is bizarre because what do you mean you learned basic drawing and never looked forward? Sure, some people are happy with their artstyle but I'm talking about having the eye, you know, the thing that you develop if you're not an autist like cwc and start to see stuff in 3d and explore other stuff, interests and actually observing the world around you and the reference. Being an artist and not developing this skill at all to me is just weird as fuck, there's something lacking from their brains.

No. 2572091

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Found in the Art Fight Discord server. Which one of you is this kek

No. 2572093

Watched a video about the heat death of the universe which made me feel extremely depressed and lose all motivation for art again. What even is the point in making art if it will just get forgotten forever in days. Algorithms suck and I don’t even have a job yet, my time to create art will be even less when I get one. My pipe dream is that some sort of afterlife exists where everyone can continue to enjoy and create art

No. 2572095

>>2572091
>underage discord weeb kaomoji users
The state of lolcow

No. 2572099

>>2572089
When I think of artists who never progressed in many years, my first thought was that ikkimaru or however you spell it chick. Back when I browsed tumblr, she drew a lot of homestuck art and fast forward many many years later I saw her drawing that alhaitham kaveh genshin ship and her style shockingly did not change at all. Her style was immediately recognizable. It’s so weird

No. 2572102

>>2572093
If you think about anything like that, you'll end up wasting your life doing nothing. I can't imagine being this pessimistic about creating art. Make art so that it makes your current, living self happy. If you're not making happy doing art then don't do it. If you're happy, do it. If you really cared about making art, it would make you happy to even see one person cares about your work. The more the merrier of course, but think that even if one person saw your work and got influenced, then its worth it

No. 2572110

>>2572102
I really wish I could adapt to this mentality more, sometimes it does work and it makes me happy but I think I have a case of severe existential depression. It just makes me so hopeless thinking about how my life’s work and other types of creative media will be forgotten. (And also pretty much everything else that existed such as the world and loved ones but I don’t wanna go offtopic) And I like receiving attention on my art as it gives me a type of dopamine feeling since I don’t really have anything else in life to look forward to

No. 2572113

How do you guys define “referencing”? What counts as plagiarism?

No. 2572117

>>2572113
You can't plagiarize if you're drawing from life or your own photos

No. 2572120

>>2571487
I will care about your opinion when you learn how to talk without using internet buzzwords. ''cringe'' means nothing because i dont want to be harassed by troons, if you are okay with troons and men slobbering over your female characters thats fine, but some people just want a cozy female fanbase.

No. 2572128

>>2572117
What if you’re trying to draw an exotic animal? Should you use other people’s photos but try to draw your own pose that does not resemble any one photo? Should you use public domain/free license photos (Unsplash/Pexels)?

Do OC artists draw their characters purely from imagination and have human anatomy memorized? Because obviously they don’t credit a pose/body reference for everything they post

I don’t know if any of these words make sense

No. 2572142

>>2572120
>cozy female fanbase
Nta, but even if you only draw bishies from shounen-slop of the year you will mostly attract tifs, female bpdemons, tims who trannify male characters(they're more common than you think) and male gooners who want to rail feminine twinks. Let's be real here.

No. 2572149

>>2571738
>I don’t like 99% of women-made female OCs because they’re either male-gaze lesbian Hoyoverse ripoffs, glittery Y2K fashion garbage or 2deep4u cottagecore Nikki girls for their yume self-insert.
Same. And if you draw ugly girls then you get harassed and called a bad artist. Hell even the female ocs from the artist that sparked this shit fest got called ugly and troonish. We constantly have spergs in these threats that go out of their way to find artists that draw uncoventional women just to shit on them and call them troons. I dont want to draw sparkly kawiwi over designed pretty girl n254145 that shit's boring as fuck. And there is no market for non conventional looking female characters. People just want to see pretty female ocs, and its boring to draw pretty girls tbh.

No. 2572156

>>2572089
Oh man, the previous thread had a whole spergout between whether or not artists "have" to get better over time. I still maintain that it takes more effort to remain consistant than to improve naturally.

No. 2572163

>>2572128
Draw from reference till you can draw from imagination. That's why you should do studies. And only do a study of a public photo, or buy photo packs. Or use a website with art references.

On the same note, has anyone seen the trend of young artists just straight up tracing other artists and saying they're just using it as reference or copying? It's such a culture shock to me that they do this now when you would get crucified for this in the past. Especially when they do it to asian artists who are notorious for blocking and sperging out when peoples art has a single line similar to theirs. I've seen people just take other peoples art and redraw it with their own characters as a trend which feels so disrespectful.

No. 2572173

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>>2572128
Take picrel for example. Are all these tigers drawn completely from imagination? Did she memorize exactly what a tiger looks like? When I was younger, I would draw animals by looking them up on Google images, and not copying any one photo completely, but trying to get the general shape of the animal from the photos as a whole. Is that what you’re supposed to do? My confusion over this is one of the reasons I stopped drawing, honestly.

No. 2572175

>>2572173
Considering how many times they've drawn the same animal, just like with human anatomy you're likely to eventually memorize it and be able to draw it from memory. It's fair to think that by now they'd be able to draw a tiger by memory since they draw tigers so often.

No. 2572178

>>2572163
The problem is that they don’t know what they’re doing is wrong since people aren’t given a set of “art etiquette rules” from birth, and it’s hard to understand what’s right and wrong when everyone has different ideas of where to draw the line. Teenage artists always talk about “getting references from Pinterest,” but no one told them what is allowed to be used as a reference

No. 2572181

>>2572175
So whenever you want to draw a new animal, should you do a ton of studies until you’ve fully memorized it before doing the final drawing?

No. 2572183

>>2572181
And what about fictional animals, like dragons, where there are no reference photos?

No. 2572186

>>2572183
>>2572181
Just so you don't ask the same question five more times, the answer will always be yes. Study first, practice drawing, make the final drawing. Follow the cycle of study, practice, implement. And repeat until you get it right. That will answer your question now and any proceeding ones. Yes.

No. 2572188

>>2572181
I mean, it depends. I like to draw knights on horseback, so for horses I'm more likely to study them so I can draw them on my own since I draw them a lot. But if I need to draw a lion for example, I'll just heavily reference because I don't draw lions often so I have no reason to spend that long studying them for it.

No. 2572189

>>2572080
A resource like this makes everything worth it. Thank you kind Nona

No. 2572190

>>2572156
According to a couple of pros who are kind enough to chatter at me from time to time, pretty well every artist's skills and style sort of crystallize not long after they start getting paid consistently and / or start working full time as an artist, especially if they have a name for themselves or a specific style that clients are paying them for.
Personally I don't really take art that seriously, if someone is having fun and / or getting paid, I'm happy for them. Improvement is an inherently good thing that should be applauded though. Best practice is to pay little or no attention to art and artists that gets one's knickers twisted, avoid sour grapes gripes about such wasted talent.

No. 2572198

>>2572188
>I'll just heavily reference
But what do you mean by this? And where do you draw the line between this and plagiarism?

No. 2572203

>>2572142
I dont care, tifs and bpdemons are still women. And the latter hasnt happened to me, it's just you fear mongering. God forbid women want to draw for other women and not moids.

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>>2572183
james gurney
but don't worry about that yet, draw real stuff first.

No. 2572225

>>2572198
???Just grab a picture of a real animal and try to copy it through observation?? Referencing off real pictures of real animals isn't plagiarism, you're overthinking

No. 2572227

>>2572128
>>2572173
Once you learn how to properly break down a subject and study its unique features, you can then apply them pretty easily from imagination. Everything is basic shapes with increasing levels of form and detailed applied until you end up with a picture of your subject. Figure out the relationships between proportions, anatomical functionality, and qualities of features like fur, skin, scales, and feathers, don't just replicate an image. You won't get far if you just replicate a reference image, you have to break it down and understand it if you want to be able to draw it regularly without being reliant on an existing picture.

>>2572181
Yes, but each new animal should make learning the next easier, comparative anatomy is your best friend (and will allow you to use pretty much any pose reference for any subject, including pics of yourself). This also goes for your other question about fictional creatures, which will just be animal anatomy combined in fanciful ways, with the 'realism' of that being how well a given artist understands what they're doing so that their dragon looks convincing within the rest of the world they're drawing.

No. 2572229

>>2572173
there are no rules in drawing but the majority of professional artists use photos for reference (or if live, would do something like visit a zoo or look at a taxidermy to study the animal)

No. 2572231

>>2572225
If you’re copying a photo that isn’t free to use, then yes, you’re plagiarizing the photographer’s work

No. 2572234

>>2572231
And that's what free use image banks are for nona. Ffs just think for yourself for a moment.

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>>2571738
>>2572149
I wouldn’t care if you guys simply just enjoyed making male ocs, but this logic is so bizarre
>99% of female-made female ocs are kawiwi waifu trash
>I would make interesting female ocs but I won’t because I’m the only one who likes unconventional women and some people online are mean
>therefore I only make males
I find it frankly embarrassing you’d act like such nlogs then admit you are more cowardly than tifs posting troonshit and teenagers drawing black racebends. News flash, every artist deals with rude comments from time to time. And there’s a niche for everything, no shit going against mainstream taste is less popular. You’d still be able to find other female artists who like unconventional and interesting women, they love following each other and have thousands of adoring female followers too.

No. 2572237

>>2572203
Chill nonni, no one is taking away your 2d boys and forcing you to draw femoids. It's okay to say that you like to draw dudes because you're attracted to them, there's no need to hide behind "I draw for other women, not moids!!!". Women are not a monolith and we have many different interests that do not include 2d men. Moids will coom to anything, including animu bishies and even inanimate objects.

No. 2572238

>>2572234
What about rare animals that have no photos in those image banks? You say “think for yourself,” but several of the replies I’ve gotten contradict each other

No. 2572241

>>2572238
Who the fuck cares? If you're going through the exception of the exception of the exception at one point the answer willalways be the same: Just study how to draw the thing. Just draw. Other nonas have said this before, literally just study and draw. That's it.

No. 2572244

>>2572241
Well I still don’t understand. It may make sense to you but it doesn’t make sense to me. And this is why I stopped drawing

No. 2572249

>>2572244
How does this not make sense to you? Drawing is born out of study and practice. If you want to learn how to draw something you study it and practice, just like how you do for pretty much any other skill. To me it feels more like you want a shortcut or a quick and easy way to improve your skills without actually studying or putting in effort.

No. 2572252

>>2572249
No, I’m just obsessive over plagiarism

No. 2572254

Eh, where do you guys go for fashion inspos? I'm trying to get good at outfit design but pretty stump otherwise.

No. 2572258

>>2572254
Look at rare tropical birds

No. 2572262

>>2572254
Pinterest or my favorite fashion designers. I found out that going down the Haute Couture and Catwalk Fashion Event rabbit holes can net you some great refs.

No. 2572264

>>2572237
When did i say women are a monolith? why do you keep putting words in my mouth.
>Moids will coom to anything, including animu bishies and even inanimate objects.
What does that have to do with anything? the amount of men that cum to bishies are like 1 in a million. You are honestly so annoying, some of you larp as manhaters but then when a woman who's had bad experience with male followers wants to avoid men you get angry. Like what the fuck do you want? jesus.

No. 2572265

>>2572236
You know damn well anons would be calling that characters a troon, calling her too roided and masculine yada yada. The artist even had to sexualize and give her weird bolt ons to show she's a woman. Some of us actually want to grow a following and make projects that are appealing to people, and sadly that means we must make sacrifices.

No. 2572267

>>2572252
Studies should be kept to yourself. It's perfectly fine for you to heavily reference or even trace as long as it's for study reasons and you keep it to yourself (or properly credit the author if you do choose to post it). You're making this harder than it is. Just be transparent.

No. 2572274

>>2572244
Everyone has explained it to you as simple as possible
>common animal
Use free photos to trace, study, whatever helps you improve
>uncommon animal
Use what free photos you can find. If they have copyright, you can heavily reference as long as it's not similar enough.
>what's similar enough?
If they can overlay that photo with you're drawing, you're in trouble. If they have reasonable claim, you're in trouble.
>how do I know if it's reasonable?
Its up to the law, we can't help you
>what about fake animals?
Study the most similar existing animal, or try to use your imagination to piece together what it would look like.

No more questions. Draw conclusions from what everyone has told you. If you keep obsessing over plagiarism then you were ngmi anyway. Now pick up a pencil.

No. 2572279

>>2572264
>the amount of men that cum to bishies are like 1 in a million
They're not that uncommon, I'm speaking from experience. Just letting you know so you won't feel utterly bamboozled when moids will start harrassing you and leaving dumb comments on your bishie art.

No. 2572281

>>2571287
>architect and curatorial director
off topic nitpick but there is no way someone would ever have enough time to be both an architect and a museum curatorial director, both of those jobs are insanely time consuming

No. 2572293

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>>2572274
Thanks nonnas. Sorry for being annoying.

No. 2572315

>>2572265
>Some of us actually want to grow a following and make projects that are appealing to people, and sadly that means we must make sacrifices
this is sad. i wish you had more confidence in your own ideas. there's never going to be an audience for unconventional female characters if no one is putting any effort into making or developing them just because they're afraid of flopping.

No. 2572316

>>2572293
It's okay, I hope you can figure out how to draw whatever animal you were thinking of. Animals are hard but you can do it.

No. 2572327

>>2572316
Thanks. It’s not that I wouldn’t be able to draw it relatively well; it’s that I’d be worried that I’d plagiarized by looking up photos while drawing to know what the animal looks like.

No. 2572328

Some female artists I like
Stephanie pui-mun law
Kinoko y craft
Janet and Anne grahame Johnstone
Robin james(thanks >>2571479)
Tinypaint(eventhough her comic sucks)
Chiara bautista
Woonha young
Miho hirano
Tina yu(eventhough I find her bedazzling her sculptures trashy)
Virginie ropars
Nell brinkley
Malene laugesen
Shibamoto thores
Yuumei(mainly her old deviantart work)
Auroreblackcat(from deviantart)
Chopstuff(from deviantart)
Komunhorangi (on insta but found her on deviantart and tumblr)
Unpopular but I also like sozomaika
Some male ones I feel are worth mentioning
James gurney
Thomas Blackshear(seriously thanks anons)
Gustave Dore
Juan gimenez(thanks anons)
Imperialboy(who I'm pretty sure is a man)

No. 2572340

>>2572265
Imagine letting an audience you don’t have dictate art you haven’t made.

No. 2572341

>>2572281
I think it means her degree, also it says at the museum of architechture, i think the artist tried to relate the two

No. 2572343

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>>2571479
Before I read your text I thought this was going to be about Kathleen Hale and her Orlando the Marmalade Cat series, picrel

No. 2572346

>>2572279
Do you understand the world doesnt revolve around you? i have been posting art for years and i havent encountered any of these supposed moids who love bishies so much, sounds like fear mongering on your part and i am sad you had to go through such lengths just to try and ''prove'' your point. Doesnt work with me because i know what i am talking about and i have experienced it first hand.

No. 2572348

>>2572315
Why dont you guys do it then? it's easy to try and dictate what others do, but it's not easy to put yourself on their shoes.

No. 2572356

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>>2572343
NTA, I've never seen those before. I would have loved that as a kid and am quite taken with the way the text is set.
I've really learned to love hyper-specialized artists like Vladimir Rumiantsev and his wobbly stretchy cats.

No. 2572360

>>2572348
ayrt, i do draw and write about unconventional women purely because i enjoy it, so that's not really an argument. my post was lamenting the fact that other women are so quick to fall in line.

No. 2572369

>>2572348
NTA don't you think a lot of us are doing that?

>>2572346
NTA but
>Do you understand the world doesnt revolve around you?
>i have been posting art for years
>i havent encountered any of these supposed moids who love bishies so much
>because i know what i am talking about and i have experienced it first hand.

Dont you think she's making the above points because she has experienced this first hand? Are you up your own ass or just can't look beyond it? Every point you made is likely why she made the post above. I have less than a handful of online male acquaintances and 3 of them are "straight" and like femboy and bishie art content of characters like Link, final fantasy characters, lies of P, etc. Whether bisexual or just coomers, males do look at that. Either way, what males do doesnt effect my art at all. I draw women, men, animals, creatures, monsters, whatever the fuck I want. Using "B-but men!" is utterly retarded reasoning.

No. 2572371

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>be moid
>draw coomer art of a girl you saw irl
>get 14k likes
Try to guess what the replies were. nope, not a single negative reply and instead his coomer fans all thirsting over a girl who may be underage too
I’m thinking about those viral tweets talking about how drawing people instead of taking photos of them was a funny and effective preferable way of documenting strangers, but of course moids have to ruin everything

No. 2572390

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>>2572356
Me too, I love the way she draws animals and the sort of fluidity the linework has. It feels like the perfect balance of animalistic and human in her work. Some other illustrators I like are Maria Pascual (picrel) who reminds me a bit of Takahashi Macoto, and Sheilah Beckett. Sheilah Beckett has some really interesting, geometric properties to her work that feels very of her era. If you like the sort of retro look Disney’s Sleeping Beauty had then I think you’ll also like Beckett.

No. 2572398

>>2572346
>I can't draw women because it'll attract men!
>But men also like bishies, there is no deterrent for them
>Fear mongering! Let me draw what I like!
Okay.
>>2572371
I'm so fucking sick of this trend of porn sick moids drawing random real women (or pretending they're real because this is 100% a fetish) it makes me ill to my stomach

No. 2572401

>>2572398
Men dont like bishies, that's the point. You are making it seem like men like bishies at the same rate as bishoujos because you want to fear monger but it's simply not true. You are just lying to try and make a point meanwhile i have been drawing my bishies for ages without any moid bothering me. Cope and seethe.

No. 2572407

>>2572401
Don't Asian guys like bishies though?

No. 2572408

>>2572407
I dont think so, otherwise 99% of bishie cosplay wouldnt be crossdressing.

No. 2572414

>>2572407
Not at all, they seethe about them just like western moids do.

No. 2572415

>>2572401
I'm not. Because I'm not that anon. In my own personal experience of drawing women and bishie husbandos I have also not been bothered by moids because the only ones that interact with me want specific vidya fanart. I really don't care what you draw but you're being a bit silly and that is the only thing I'm bothered about.

No. 2572427

>>2572415
Again, the world doesnt revolve around you. Just because you had those experiences it doesnt mean everyone else does too. I had terrible experiences with moids and i dont want them on my hobby. You are starting to sound like those ''not all men!!!'' pickmes.

No. 2572436

>>2571933
The few women on Art Fight who straight up say “female” on their pages are incredibly based.

No. 2572458

>>2572371
>"touch grass" the internet chants
>touches grass
>someone sees you touching grass
>your picrel
This is not doing me any favors as a hikkikoneet artist kek

No. 2572464

my heart swells when I see drawn patterns I haven't explored yet, it gives me something to plan for.
I feel so "useless" and "outdated" as an artist trying to post on instagram, tiktok, bsky. I feel like I ought to switch to "traditional" work again and start illegally installing it in public places.

No. 2572467

>>2571970
Local polilez retard finds out that most women are straight(infight bait)

No. 2572474

>>2572340
Ntayrt but that’s beautifully put. I’m going to print your post out and look at it whenever I catch myself thinking like that.

No. 2572489

>>2571970
Is anyone going to tell this anon that misogynists mostly draw women? i am scared it might shatter her view of the world when she finds out about asanagi

No. 2572500

>>2572467
obviously the only reason anyone would ever draw a still life is that they want to fuck bowls of fruit

No. 2572513

I think a lot of nonnas would feel better if they just drew what they wanted without worrying about pandering and boogeymen. It sounds sad and stressful, if you’re not drawing for you what’s the point? If you’re putting on a fake/fearful front, how will the audience you want find you? You’ll just keep all the stuff you want to make as just thoughts. I don’t see the female characters I like in other’s work, and it’s no one else’s job to cater to me so I do it myself. If troons or moids show up I just don’t interact, I’ve been doing this for a while and they leave once they realise I’m not paying attention and keep doing the tweaks I like. Ended up finding other women that way too.

No. 2572519

>>2572513
Tbh I wish more girls/women followed me, hell even tifs. Where are all the pronouns in bio woke artists? I mainly draw cute girls but I’ve been getting actual lolicons and moids following me instead. I’ve realized that the crowd i want to attract don’t really care for my art since they’re probably more interested in male prettybois or female ocs that are the #girlboss or masculine type. It is what it is

No. 2572520


No. 2572522

>>2571701
DA was pre algorithmic social media. Female artists who mostly draw men and are mostly interested in looking at art of men may only be recommended similar art/artists via newer, algorithmic sites/apps which now leads to the strange assertion that only lesbians would be interested in drawing mostly female characters. Those women just never get exposed to female artists that like to draw pretty princesses in the first place.

No. 2572524

>>2572500
Fruitfuckers are real and they walk among us.

No. 2572525

>>2556842
>Like 90s and 00s anime art, the look of 00s websites or design elements, 00s cartoons, dress up games or "girl" games, scene kid or mall goth look, flash cartoons and website, just any stuff that tends to be kind of trendy right now.
I'm a bit torn with this to be honest. I'm an oldfag in my early-mid 30s and I grew up with most of those aesthetics and so when I see them represented in art, it does give me a cozy feel good feeling, a nice sense of familiarity. But then I see how these gen z artists talk and conduct themselves and I cringe and it kinda distorts their work for me because like >>2556924 mentioned, it can feel hollow because they didn't experience these things and have a non-authentic view of them. That's not their fault of course, I'm sure it was a similar deal back i nthe 90s with the whole 60s revival trend that was popular at the time but still, just being honest about my own personal feelings on this.

>Having been around for all of the 90s and 2000s anime, the bad localizations, DiC sailor moon and Brock eating jelly doughnuts instead of rice balls,

-hearing the start up of Windows 98 and later on, Windows XP
-Downloading music off of SoulSeek and Limewire
-Experiencing MySpace when there really was nothing like it at the time.
-Waiting for new episodes of our favorite cartoons and anime for a week or two to even a month.
Makes you reflect and think about how easy it is nowadays with media consumption and how much the media were more appreciated back then because we couldn't just binge watch and move onto something else within the same week.

>it's difficult to tell if someone even gives a shit or if they're just plastering their art with sticker scans and old anime because it's trendy or it they even know.

Speaking of this, I had my first IRL encournter with this when a few months ago when I complimented a young looking woman (had to have been at least 20 or 1) on her YuYu Hakusho shirt and asked her which character was her favorite and she admitted that she's never actually watched the show andj ust thought the shirt looked cool. Needless to say I felt old as shit in that moment because YYH was my jam back in the 2000s and I never thought I'd see the day where YYH would be considered a vapid trend. This must be how guys feel with Dragon Ball Z and may run into fake fans who have never actually watched the show lol.

No. 2572526

Tamakuz talks about her extremely schizo stalker. Say what you will about her or her work but this would be such a terrifying to go through especially as the police are doing less than nothing about it

No. 2572534

>>2572408
>>2572414
Then why do Korean moids get jaw shaves?

No. 2572536

>>2572534
What does that have to do with anime.

No. 2572538

Twisted Disaster dropped a video about Art Fight and I swear, she really shows her womanchild tendencies with her bewilderment on the toxic side of this trend considering that it's mostly zoomers who do this thing and they are like a good 6 -10 years younger than her. I only mention this because as someone who is 3 years older than her, I have not seen other artists around our age doing Art Fight. I know there are some but definitely not a majority. I'm pretty sure it's just a zoomer thing, it's their version of us millennials art contests back in the DeviantART days lol.

Also love the little response to her criticizers about her wack ass anatomy where she says that she just prefers her anatomy looking the way it does which is fine (I guess) but don't then complain if you're not getting as many commissions or art merch sales as you'd like because only a small niche of people will be into it.

No. 2572539

>>2572538
How old is she?

No. 2572545

>>2572500
The tragedy of the fruit coomer artist is that, thanks to their enthusiasm, they show a ton of promise really early on but inevitably they either fall into one of two traps. They start getting buried under fruit porn commissions and their skills never really develop beyond being able to draw gorgeous but always the same looking fruit or they develop fucked up pathologies and draw ever more extreme fetish content, sick shit like overripe burst cantaloupe being devoured by maggots.
Makes me kind of sad when I think about it too much.

>>2572513
I generally agree with you but a big part of the appeal of making art is to make things that other people enjoy though. It can be really demoralizing to see the kinds of work you genuinely care about receive the most criticism and the least attention. Not that I agree with only pushing out what's popular and giving up on making art you love, I just mean to say that I get why some artists feel like they have to.

No. 2572549

>>2572539
She's 32 going on 33 this year in November.

No. 2572550

>>2572519
This has to be due to algorithmic recommendation systems. As in, you could have 20 followers and 19 are female while 1 is a male creep and if that male creep engages with your art and reposts it while your female followers don't that could lead to you ending up with more male creep followers.

Would be interesting to see if there were any other factors in common which inadvertently attract audiences like that. As mentioned above artists like Meyoco and Loish are popular but not followed by people looking for goonbait. I follow some skilled female artists that have conventionally attractive female OCs and they are not getting that sort of traction either.

No. 2572556


No. 2572562

>>2572328
could be cool to have a thread just for recommendations

No. 2572567

>>2572562
Would that not just be the Art You Like thread?

No. 2572573

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>in car parking lot suffering from terrible headache
>see a van with the text LOOMIS on the side out of the corner of my eye
>turn around to look, van is gone
What could this mean

No. 2572574

>>2572567
It could be, I'd totally forgotten about that thread. Seems like the last time someone bumped it was a year ago.

No. 2572575

>>2572573
He's after you

No. 2572578

>>2571687
it's an honest to god tragedy that lauren faust vanished after mlp. i don't get why this (and her other projects) didn't get greenlit…actually i do, it's the pedos and misogynists

No. 2572580

>>2572567
>>2572574
Maybe adding it to the op for the next thread could promote people using it more?

No. 2572582

>>2572562
An ''artist finder'' thread would be cool. That way people dont spam the thread with posts asking for recommendations and we can have a slower thread people can use when they want to find new artists to follow, put in the op that posts must be accompanied with the name and socials(if the artist has them). I would def use it to post some of my favourite artists.

No. 2572586

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>>2571687
You might like DC superhero girls for this reason. I loved that show, it was so cute.

No. 2572591

>>2572573
sorry for scaring you nona. that's just the van i use to lure in /ic moids so i can steal their organs

No. 2572594

>>2572578
I wonder if there's any truth to the rumors about her being hard to work with, because otherwise is just really depressing. I think she just got tired of never being able to get anything of hers off the ground. With that said I think Lauren's taste might be out of step with current market demands. Like I think if she's gotten Galaxy Girls greenlit in the 90s it would have been very popular. Whereas now I wonder if the audience is there for the kind of things she'd like to make, kids 'move on' to animated content like anime etc at younger ages than they used to because it's more accessible now than it was in the past.

No. 2572597

>>2572591
You’re doing the Lord’s work, nonna.

No. 2572603

Im not sure if this is the correct thread or not but this seems like the closest. I've seen artists like Brujoari reasonably getting mocked for inserting out of place fashion trends and gendie shit into their comics that take place in the 2000's. With this in mind, I'm a zoomer who who's been wanting to make a webcomic on 2000's otaku culture in America for a few years. I always felt like it was an underexplored idea at least from a modern perspective and am kinda oblivious on if such a comic even exists. My only issue is that I was a baby during those times, what are some steps I can take to ensure historical accuracy? My 4 main characters with as minimal detail as possible are a fujo who uses Livejournal like it's crack, a misogynistic scrotaku who breathes /a/, a gothic lolita chuuni obsessed with vkei, and a gay poorfag who doesn't really have much character yet beyond teh yaoiz jokes. I mention this because I'm not even sure if such characters would be authentic to their time period and instead come across as a poor zoomie rendition of it.

No. 2572610

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>>2572578
It always pains me that picrel never got released. Apparently Lauren got the rights back but Netflix may still own the art and everything else they made during production.

No. 2572623

>>2572603
look at old fashion catalogs, magazines, sewing patterns, and movies/tv from the time period you're attempting to emulate. there are tons of scans of jcpenney and sears catalogs online from pretty much every decade going back at least a century. alloy and delia's might be useful if you're wanting to go for the y2k/2000s look. i mostly draw characters from the 60s-70s so i'd recommend searching around for more period-accurate magazines/catalogs available online. there are tons of scans on flickr and fashion books on archive.org. you could also browse etsy for vintage pieces. don't look at pinterest or tiktok unless you're finding authentic pics and scans from the time period itself. and remember: doing research is fun and good for you

No. 2572625

>>2572603
If you haven't yet check out the comic Eltingville, which is about nerd culture in the last 90s through early 2000s written by a person living through it at the time. Nerd/fandom/otaku culture back then was very different back then. Not to be discouraging but I think a project like this is gonna take a lot of research.

No. 2572629

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>>2572603
you need to check out usenet archives

No. 2572632

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>>2572603
its recent enough that you can find a lot of self-posted pictures from people during this time period on flickr and deviantart. and tumblr reposts from those sites too. i wouldnt really rely on pinterest for this since its full of kids born in 2010 larping

No. 2572634

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>>2572603
Blessings, young one, from a nona pushing 40. There have been webcomics like this, but you should do your idea. Its going to be hard to be authentic but I'm glad you're trying. Even though 4chan is old, I would do some research on anime web turnpike as well because it was basically the gateway for anything from regular anime to hentai. For anime fans (especially scrotoids of the era) going to blockbuster or Hollywood video and renting the unrated anime so they could brag about it.

There were also character shrines (and for your fujo, character hate shrines. Early fujos would make these sites about the female love interests of their favorite bishies.). Using geocities, angelfire, lycos and etc. Oh and "call lists". The name of this varies, but its like a list friends would keep of their bishie husbandos.

There's old con walks from the 2000s on youtube, too. "Otacon 2005" or con+whatever year. You'll want to make sure your EGL and VK loving character likes bands that were big at the time and wore styles more akin to those from the era. All of the EGL bibles are on archive.org. A lot of old Toonami (block of anime shows that would play after school on cartoon network) was entry level but definitely relevant. Toonami midnight run is what eventually became adult swim. There's so much to list that this is scattered as hell but I hope it helps for research points. Your VK lover might have had a deadjournal (needs a code and is more goth/underground. The site is still there and used). During this period livejournal needed a code to make an account. Anime took a long time to get. There was lots of bootleg tapes and they'd have whole sections that were not subtitled kek. Pretending you knew Japanese and badly translating shit on babelfish was common.

I wish I could give you some pointers nona. I'm already endeared to you because you're trying to learn. Good luck!

No. 2572636

>>2572603
Remember that fashion mags, comics, etc. are often depicting wish fulfilment and are not true-to-life. The average lolita lover spent a lot of time looking longingly at fashion photos because there was no way she could afford those dresses, it was difficult to source them from japan, she was too chubby to look good in them anyway, and she would probably get made fun of by her peers. Like >>2572632 said, flickr and the like are a great resource for real photos from average people.
Also, stuff from older decades doesn't just vanish as the year ticks up. Someone in the 2000s would still have lots of 90s stuff hanging around.

No. 2572642

>>2572634
2005 might be too early kek. Find the year YouTube started and work forward till you find something.

No. 2572644

>>2572603
Two things: You're gonna get mocked no matter what because there's always going to be somebody who thinks "I didn't experience it this way, therefore you are wrong and your comic is bad" and anachronisms aren't that bad unless they're too skewed towards obvious wish fulfillment. Zoomies catch a lot of flack because they keep removing the rough edges of the era or thinking everyone was an obnoxious racist femboy wiggernat. It wasn't all cutting, lj snark, and racial slurs, but it wasn't all "queer platonic bipoc safe space" either. Getting down that kind of edgy Bush era proto-wokeness will put you leagues ahead most other y2k larpers.

No. 2572645

>>2572636
Awesome points nona. Most people could hardly get anime merch let alone dresses. Bootleg stuff from the mall was common, or getting manga from the book store or comic store. At least where I was, they were around $10each and that was a lot then, so only lucky or kids with money had a lot of manga. How to draw anime books.. Etc. Now I'm just reminiscing..

No. 2572652

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>>2572603
Probably the most important thing to note is how much less accessible weeb shit was back then so people's tastes where shaped by what was available and there was more of a monoculture. If you were just getting into anime other people would recommend from a canon of well regarded work which meant weebs were more likely to have seen several shows in common even if their tastes later diverged. Everyone watched anime back then but most people wouldn't admit to it because the only people who were open about it were kind of weird (one of the stranger realizations I made as an adult reconnecting with old classmates).

The term weeb comes from 'weeaboo' which comes from a Perry Bible Fellowship comic. Weebs back in the 2000s were more likely to call themselves otaku, it took a while for weeaboo to take over and get shortened to weeb.

No. 2572660

>>2572603
>>2572645
Location, wealth level of the characters and early/late 2000s makes a huge difference because the 2000s represents a very transitional period for online access. A poor family someplace in rural America might plausibly not have internet access at all back then. There were A LOT of people who really didn't use the internet very much until smartphones became accessible in the late 2000s/early 2010s.

No. 2572662

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>>2572603
Deadass look up deviantArt accounts that people forgot to remove. That's your cashcow. It'll be dated and everything. Any user with over 15 years on their deviantart profile will likely show up on the Wayback Machine. That is core cringe internet culture at its purest form. Some uploaded drawings, photos, journal entries, comments on each others' profiles, etc.

No. 2572665

>>2572603
>I'm a zoomer who who's been wanting to make a webcomic on 2000's otaku culture in America for a few years. I always felt like it was an underexplored idea at least from a modern perspective and am kinda oblivious on if such a comic even exists.
It was called Megatokyo

No. 2572668

>>2572662
Big sites like that are definitely one of the better recourses, so much stuff from back then from smaller sites like small blogs and forums didn't survive by comparison.

>>2572665
not wrong

No. 2572673

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>>2572668
Even the website that it's hosted on hasn't changed in like 20 years. TBH I don't think it'd be possible for a zoomer to replicate early 2000s game/anime culture

No. 2572677

>>2572603
i want to add in that zoomers tend not to understand just how homophobic life was back then. i vividly remember when people would stop being friends with me back then when they found out i drew my little yaoi ocs, or when they found out my best friend was a lesbian. hopefully this doesn't revive the previous discussion but back then, being a girl with male ocs was extremely rare and for a number of years i would have the only male oc among my social group of 20-30 girls. online roleplay was a cesspit of 50 girls roleplaying their female ocs fighting over who got to ship their character with one of the 3 males available kek

No. 2572680

>>2572673
probably not but they can try

No. 2572682

>>2572665
Thank you nona, I could see the banner in my head but couldn't recall the name

No. 2572688

>>2572677
>online roleplay was a cesspit of 50 girls roleplaying their female ocs fighting over who got to ship their character with one of the 3 males available kek
My female friend did Kingdom Hearts and TWEWY gay roleplaying with other online fujos

No. 2572690

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>>2572662
>look up this account out of curiosity
>she died

No. 2572696

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>>2572690
Don't be scared anon. I know a certain sexy individual who happened to be very curious, if you know what I mean

No. 2572699

Wow, thank you nonnies so much! I was worried I'd be greeted with mockery and discouragement but you guys are so sweet and this is really helpful information. In regards to fashion mags, should I delve into the specifics with certain stuff like lolita or stick to general ones, or both?
>>2572662
>>2572623
>>2572625
>>2572629
>>2572632
>>2572634
A special thank you for being so helpful and giving me previously unknown pointers!
>>2572636
>>2572644
Yeah, I see that a lot kek. I don't care at all about being politically correct, but I don't want to go full moid tier edginess to the point where it's its own form of historical inaccuracy.
>>2572660
>Location, wealth level of the characters and early/late 2000s makes a huge difference because the 2000s represents a very transitional period for online access. A poor family someplace in rural America might plausibly not have internet access at all back then.
I was thinking about having it take place in a middle class neighborhood in Florida but for realism since these characters are TRUE and HONEST otaku I've been thinking about changing the setting to somewhere like NYC or Cali where it has a higher likelihood of it being more popular. All the characters are middle class to varying extents besides poorfag.
>>2572673
Wow! The comic is still ongoing and has hardly changed a bit, I will definitely be using it as inspiration and in all honesty, I'm jealous!
>>2572677
Thank you for your insight. I thought about this inside my head before prior to your comment and the scrotaku /a/ user openly calls poorfag a faggot. The characters themselves become friends through being the only people with their hobbies (or at least to such an extent) and all are socially isolated for various reasons, including being gay.

No. 2572703

>>2572660
Yeah, and it's definitely an uncommon angle to be explored now. It's a big part of the era but no one idolizes the wannabes and the havenots.

>>2572603
On the other hand if you do want ultra-online, fashionable characters, showing how their backgrounds enable their lifestyles can add depth. E.g. maybe the lolita works two jobs and scrimps on food to fuel her hobby (and her pro ana dreams), and gets into drama as a reseller. Maybe the scrotaku has rich parents who pay for his merch and spends half his time justifying those purchases to them and the other half putting up a front of trying to get a job so they don't cut off his allowance.

No. 2572707

>>2572642
YouTube started in 2005, nona…

No. 2572711

>>2572699
important things to keep in mind about the internet culture of the era, it was:
>text based over image based, image based over video based
What this meant was that people who spent time online spent a lot of time reading, if you didn't like reading you just didn't spend much time online bc it wasn't fun for you hence nerds being overrepresented online at the time.
>internet wasn't accessible 24/7
You used the internet when you got home for the most part, even if your phone could go online (many could) it was not an ideal experience so the internet was designed for desktop not mobile. Iphone came out late 2007 and it took years for good competitors to be available. Many families only had 1 internet enabled device, and it might be a big ol' desktop in the living room or family office. NSF56k warnings were for the many people who still didn't have broadband.
>heavily weighted towards wealthier countries and wealthier people in wealthier areas.
There was a big selection effect on who could go online and would want to spend time there. A poor family in rural America might not have internet and this was exacerbated in poorer countries. Smartphones changed everything.
>More anonymous culture
Lots of people didn't use their real names until facebook made it fashionable
>Internet was more small sites and overall less corpo
just a different vibe from the mega sites/apps
>Internet was it's own culture separate from real life
It pains me to see how many normal, healthy people are chronically online when that used to not be a thing. Your characters are not normies and would want to protect their self image offline.

those are the big generalities

No. 2572717

>>2572603
Making a comic about a culture you didn't experience sounds like it's going to lend itself to being boring, dishonest and derivative. But maybe it's because i grew up during that time and i hate animecore kiddies. The culture back then wasnt wholesome like how zoomies think, pedo and fbi jokes were common, children were called irl lolis by pedo moids, moids would grab your tits in a convention if you did cosplay and thought this was fine because anime thaught them women secretly wanted it. Women were all anachans and if you were 1kg over your weight they mocked you. It was awful.

No. 2572722

>>2572699
>I've been thinking about changing the setting to somewhere like NYC or Cali
I wouldn't do that because most people in NYC and California have lots of money, and people in cities don't face as much criticism for being gay compared to other areas of the US

>>2572711
Nah people did overshare a lot on personal sites like Livejournal and forums. Like talking about their jobs or answering out lengthy questionnaire-style posts. I had shared Skye Budnick's lj on here a few months ago and if you look at hers or Pixyteri's there's a lot of blogging about life
https://mysteprison.livejournal.com/

And a tapatalk forum where everyone discusses personal things
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/ignazios_arena/viewtopic.php?p=51145#p51145

No. 2572725

But i imagine there was also happy moments? Not everything is completely negative, you are just saying that because you want to discourage her. There's a motive people kept being part of the community and going to conventions and doing cosplays. If you are not going to help her do the thing she desires to and is putting effort to make, then simply don't give an opinion.

No. 2572728

>>2572717
>Making a comic about a culture you didn't experience sounds like it's going to lend itself to being boring, dishonest and derivative
so we should only ever write about ourselves? that sounds way more boring to me than aspiring to represent other cultures/eras

No. 2572729

>>2572717
you act like zoomers didnt exist at all kek everybody i know remembers how homophobic and raunchy all the adults and teenagers around us were even if we were only like 6

No. 2572734

>>2572717
What bothers me is that the anon just hasn't mentioned anything culturally weeaboo/anime that would serve the purpose of making this about 2000s weeaboos. Lolita is such a broad topic to use because you can just look at an old copy of gothic lolita bible and copy the clothes from it. That doesn't encapsulate anything about the lolita or anime community at this time.

>>2572728
>so we should only ever write about ourselves?
Yes. I'm not even being sarcastic because it's said repeatedly in most books about making comics and writing that personal experiences are crucial for good storytelling. It's why Yowamushi Pedal is about bicycling and not softball.

No. 2572743

>>2572717
I don’t get the fascination either but the least we could do is give some advice so it won’t be as bad as it could be otherwise. If it flops it flops, she might have fun and learn something from it still.

No. 2572745

>>2572734
Also…most weeb teens in the 2000s were not buying lolita clothes unless they were at a convention with vendors. It was very rare for anyone, let alone a kid to buy clothes online. This is one of those massive differences the rise in high speed internet and smart phones has caused

No. 2572750

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>>2572728
Not really, but i think anon will end up hitting a lot of roadblocks due to the limiting nature of the subject as someone who didn't live through it. When i think about all the comics/anime i've watched about niche nerd culture(16bit sensation, eltingville club, otaku no video, lucky star, witch komugi) the thing they all have in common is that they heavily rely on the experience of the authors. 16bit sensation is based on the author's experience as erogame artists in the 80s/90s, eltingville club is based on the author's experience growing up around nerd cultures in the 90s, otaku no video is based on the experience of the gainax guys, who all began their career as animators for the intro video to a scifi convention, then lucky star and witch komugi are also based on the author's experiences as 00s internet otakus. I am not discouraging her, i am just telling her that she will end up with a really romanticized, second-hand version of the 00s that might not hold truth to real life.

No. 2572751

nonnas how do you deal with skill regression? Both school and health issues kept me from seriously drawing for about two years now, but im back to art and feel like my current stuff is such a downgrade from my 2023 stuff and its so unmotivating and kinda embarrassing.

No. 2572756

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How does range murate give this grain look to his illustrations?

No. 2572767

>>2572734
who ever said you can't integrate personal experiences into something that takes place in the past? they may require refashioning to fit the setting, but i'd rather see people try and fail than 5000 online zoomer shut-in autobiographies and nothing else.

No. 2572768

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>>2572603
Why do that when the Anime Club and Dramacon both already exist nonny? In all seriousness though, why? What is it about this time period that appeals to you? What is the draw? You mentioned not really being aware and cognizant of the culture as it was happening so what is the appeal of creating a comic that relies so heavily on period accuracy, for lack of a better term, as the main appeal? I’m not trying to dissuade you or criticize you, but just skimming what you have written so far about this premise and it already feels like what it sounds like you’re afraid it will come across as, a poor facsimile of a culture you did not experience but wish you could. As an oldfag who was there I am legitimately mystified by it. I would be much more interested in reading a comic that focuses on online culture and its impact on the current generation than one that attempts to write about something they don’t really know, no matter how well researched.

No. 2572770

>>2572768
>dramacon
holy shit i forgot about that kino

No. 2572775

>>2572768
nta but as someone who enjoys writing about a time period i didn't live in, i think the appeal to me is the process of researching and immersing myself within it to make up for the fact that i didn't get to be there. writing is a great way of doing that and of sharing it with others. even if you can't grasp why someone would be interested in the 2000s (i really can't either), surely you can get why people might be interested in the 20s, the 60s, the 80s, the victorian era, etc. it's the draw of a world which is different and therefore more exciting than yours. just my two cents

No. 2572780

Do some people seriously not understand why someone would want to write about an era or life experience they didn't personally go through? all of human history has interesting aspects, other people's lives have interesting aspects. It is normal to want to try and depict these things in artwork or story telling for various reasons.
Also, in my opinion, when people say that you're supposed to write about personal experiences they don't mean it literally. It's phrasing to encourage beginner writers to write about things that can be emotionally evocative. It's more apt to say you should write about things you're passionate about.

No. 2572786

>>2572780
I get it, but there is a difference between writing about the 70s vs writing about a star trek nerd in the 70s. One require more personal experience than the other to write something accurate. It also depends of if anon wants to make a faithful representation of the decade and culture or if she just likes the aesthetics like Brujo and doesn't give a shit about the actual culture of the time.

No. 2572792

>>2572786
I don’t see why it would, people just care less if you got everything perfectly right if the setting is less specific. Old internet nerd culture is relatively well preserved if you care to look, anyone who is serious can take the time to research and immerse themselves in the records of it. People write highly specific historical fiction with much less to go off of.

No. 2572793

>>2572770
Kek I’m glad at least one other person remembers it. Kappa Mikey and My Life Me are its spiritual animated successors imo
>>2572786
Well put nonny

No. 2572798

>>2572792
The internet doesnt reflect real life. There is a lot of misinformation about the 00s too. Like that one rumor spread by a youtuber about how a cosplayer was paralized after being hit with a yaoi paddle lmao. There is also the problem about romanticizing the era too much, the 00s were pretty degen honestly, most women were unironics nlogs aswell.

No. 2572799

>>2572786
Right. This "it's fine because I'll just know everything through research" is no different than all the youtubers who just look up info and regurgitate it to their viewers. And that doesn't really go that well for niche topics, one example would be that manga youtuber Colleen that most old school shoujo fans loathe. As stupid as comics like Megatokyo are it's obvious the author included so much because he was neck deep in weeb and videogame culture

No. 2572802

>>2572798
>There is also the problem about romanticizing the era too much, the 00s were pretty degen honestly
There are horror stories about the furry community in the 2000s but honestly I went to anime cons in the late 00s when I was in HS and it really wasn't that bad. It definitely got worse once the boob cosplayers like Jessica Nigri started taking off

No. 2572804

>>2572802
I remember being called a loli in one convention and it fucked me up pretty bad. Also bunch of moids wearing pedobear hats and tshirts for some reason.

No. 2572813

I think when it comes to writing about niche groups or happenings doing research can in fact, be fruitful, because at the end of the day while there might be specific social or cultural contexts to these things, you are still at the core writing about human relationships.
The issues of how degen the internet used to be? actually just about the behavior of moids and how the internet gave an avenue to showcase their thoughts openly.
So long as a writer is good, or can at least write a story that is interesting, they will generally be able to handle writing about something they haven't experienced, so long as they at least do some research and see the human spirit in what has been archived.
In contrast, a zoomer who covers their y2k ocs in gendie politics is generally cringy, because when those politics are removed, their lack of writing skills are revealed.

No. 2572814

>>2572798
There’s no perfect record of anything, all I’m saying is there’s a lot to go off of if you want to do serious research. It helps most people who lived in that time are still alive and well to ask questions.

No. 2572818

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anons all of this made me wonder if any of you have made any comics or been working on them, how did it go for you?
i had some stuff i was writing to make a simple short comic and i abandoned it because of a lack of motivition lol it didnt even go past the draft stage but i would like to go back to it and actually make the damn comic someday

No. 2572831

>>2572818
i've been working on a long-form comic on and off for years and it is honestly the hardest thing i've ever done in my life. harder than learning to drive, getting my degree, getting a full-time job, moving out. the comics industry (at least in america) is centered around an assembly-line process where you have different people doing the writing, penciling, inking, coloring, lettering, and marketing. if you decide to be an independent creator, all of that is 100% on you. as a result i wear many hats. i even made my own font lol
it takes an extraordinary amount of motivation to make something good. to me it's worth it, but that is because i really have no interest in money or fame. if i did i probably would have bailed years ago. it's very much a challenge and a passion-driven thing. good luck and godspeed if you decide to go with it

No. 2572836

>>2572792
Kind of disagree with this. A lot of internet culture wasn’t well preserved, makes research harder though not impossible.

No. 2572837

>>2572836
I know a lot is lost, but the closer you get to modern day the more resources you have for any time period you’re looking into, especially one that coincides with the internet. I only meant compared to times further in the past.

No. 2572838

>>2572818
I make comics, they fucking suck but a small number of people seem to enjoy them. The biggest challenge for myself is maintaining achievable goals, any time I let the story get too big the motivation dries up quickly. Scripting only 4 to 8 pages at a time and making every page intentional helps me a lot, I tend to start by writing an 'objective' that each page is meant to accomplish which keeps me on task and makes every page feel meaningful rather than part of an endless trudge.
It's really easy to get bogged down if you are overly ambitious with splash pages and are too detailed with the art, depends on whether you're more destination or journey oriented in your goals. Even though they're a slog and the artwork is never going to be pinup pretty, they're a really elegant form of storytelling and a great way to challenge and expand your artistic limits. Best of luck, I hope you decide to pick it up again!

No. 2572846

>>2572818
I'm not making a comic per se but I've been doing all the drawing activities from Lynda Barry's Making Comics and her college class book Syllabus. It's a lot of fun to follow and I've used it as an excuse to try inking and coloring with markers more.

No. 2572855

>>2572538
I’ve seen some animal artists on there who are in their 30s. Also, a lot of zoomers have/had deviantART, and Art Fight goes all the way back to 2007 (though it has only had its own site since 2016).

No. 2572856

>>2572538
has anybody ever made mirror tool character art that actually looks good? it looks so cheap

No. 2572858

>>2572836
Yeah, only the most sterilized/boring parts of the oldweb remain. Writing a story with research of what you can find now is like an archeologist writing a book about a single dinosaur based on one fossil. Its wish fufillment at best deluded at the worst

No. 2572862

>>2572858
You know a lot of people who used the old web are still alive right nona? It's not the stone age kek

No. 2572866

>>2572690
Huh, what happened?

No. 2572876

>>2572862
nona don't you get it, the 00s where a mystical, ethereal time lost forever, that no young person could ever possibly relate to or ever capture. It's totally comparable to time periods we have no literal written record of. It was a moment in human history like no other, completely divorced from all other culture. You'd even do better writing stories taking place in the regency era, that era famous for not having hundreds of modern authors who specifically write about that period only through surviving cultural artifacts and modern research. It sadly just can't be done, that time period was just that special.

No. 2572885

I don't why we're focusing so hard on the internet specifically when anon should also be looking into more analogue cultural things at the same time.
>>2572818
Working on a lot in varying stages. In the middle of writing the first draft of a book ft. retarded husbando, doing game dev on the side and doing research for another project. Lot of fun, keeping myself very busy.

No. 2572891

>>2572876
NTA, In some ways the fact that it was so recent makes it more difficult, mistakes will be just that much more obvious to even the casual reader. It's also more loaded because potential readers will have had varied experiences that are still relatively recent in their memory, so negative reactions might be far more visceral and personal. This isn't even to touch on the selective amnesia many of us have for our teenaged years.
I don't think she shouldn't go for it and try her best but in many ways writing about the very recent past requires far more diligence if you weren't a participant. Personally I don't really get why some people have such nostalgia for the Y2K period but I hope she ends up making something that she and others love.

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>>2572866
OP of the DA screenie: Zaikudo/Sekori died of intestinal complications. Her only online friend we could contact, Wolf4Knowledge, refused to delve into details. Her art was considered an absolute gem of the time, and was stole and reposted ad nauseum. She had one of the first instances of DFE prior to her death.
I posted her because she was dead kek. That way the personal info available leads to a dead end, and not harassment. I loved her art. I still have the compliment she put on one of my oekaki entries saved to my computer…
A time capsule of one site she frequented is still up, unchanged.

No. 2572900

>>2572891
Oh I agree, the issue of the period being recent enough that many people have experienced it but also long enough ago that younger people haven't experienced it and details have started to become lost make it more difficult then just, say, researching how stuff used to be in the 1920s, which I think would be more straightforward. I'm just irritated at anons almost implying it would be impossible for someone for someone to write about historical periods they haven't experienced, when there are thousands of stories about just that, plenty of them accurate to the time period, written by people who had significantly less resources then we do now.

No. 2572909

>>2572818
Make it! I believe in you nona! I love making short comics, I usually wait until I get a story idea involving my OCs that I get super obsessed with before attempting to actualize it. I get a looot of ideas, but most of them are kinda shit and get abandoned once I start drafting and realize how shit they are. That's not to say that the ideas that do end up with staying power are necessarily great or even good, but they're about my OCs and seeing them in something polished and readable is nice. Plus, I've recently improved enough that others have taken some interest in my OCs, which I never thought would happen. This all was genuinely just supposed to be a selfish outlet for my years-long turbo autism for my OCs kek, so I've been jumping around their timelines and telling shit out of order. I try to keep the stories comprehensible individually, but I've put zero effort in making the "bigger story" understandable to outside readers since, again, this shit is mainly for myself. >>2572838 is right if you're worried about losing motivation again, I usually drop an idea if I begin to realize it won't fit in 32-ish pages or less or get really aggressive with my script editing and remove details until it does fit that page range (which tends to improve the story since I get a better idea of "the point" of my story as I remove everything that's nonessential). I used to have a longform comic, but I realized that I fall out of love with my own work kind of fast, so it's important to me that I'm able to act on and finish whatever idea I have before I realize how shit it is kek

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>>2572677
>i want to add in that zoomers tend not to understand just how homophobic life was back then.
Not to mention, insanely normalized. Yaoi was considered absolute cringe - anime, too. Anime was hated on big time and only the freaks looked at it. Art class teachers dunked on you HARD if you liked anime.
Yaoi? Consider yourself satanic. It was a huge secret to keep to yourself and not everyone had access to the yaoi fanbase. That shit was isolated. Yeah, mentions of yaoi paddleboards and the like cropped up, but events irl didn't spread like wildfire back then; going "viral" afaik, wasn't much of a concept. Fujoshi was a self own; people really spat on you for being into it. "That's GAY" was commonly said. (I kinda still say it depsite being drenched in BL)
Being a girl online? Rare. Most of the time it was dudes larping as women, called "G.I.R.L."s (Guy In Real Life). The NLOG behavior back then was unironic because it was applicable; there was a very small population of girls in gaming and the like. Unicorns. Instantly, actual girls would be swarmed by guys in MMOs like Maple Story.
There was another site I was aware of for furries; Team Artail. Didn't explore it much but it had a fuckton of furry comics that took theirselves seriously on it. I was scared of it because internet privacy classes in gradeschool warned about sites like this kek

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>>2572603
If you would like a very heartfelt and genuine experience of how the web was back then, I would recommend Hypnospace Outlaw. I know you aren't focusing entirely on the internet, but maybe it would help. I think it's one of the most accurate ways to depict an AU that takes place in that time period. Please play it vanilla with no mods, as most mods add gendie shit that was not accurate to the times.

No. 2572919

>>2572912
Anytime being a woman was mentioned you'd also get immediate push back in the form of "there are no girls on the internet!/make me a sandwich/get back to the kitchen" jokes. Well, everyone said that they were just jokes, but it was obvious that people to some extent did mean it.
In a way it was almost a good thing, because you'd quickly understand to not mention your gender to avoid creeps or "comedians".

No. 2572928

>>2572896
>She had one of the first instances of DFE prior to her death.
What is DFE? also its so sweet you have a compliment she gave you saved nonna

No. 2572931

>>2572928
DFE = Delete Fucking Everything
>>2572915
Jay Tholen is one of the few not unambiguously shit things to come out of that stupid hand grenade site. His personal webpage is also a pretty good recreation of old GeoCities era internet design. I wouldn't be surprised if some dirt turned up on him eventually though, never trust a goon.
https://jaytholen.net/

No. 2572980

>>2572855
AYRT and does it? I swear, I never heard of it until about 2023 lmao.

No. 2572989

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No. 2572995

I think nona should make her 2000s story if she wants, there was good stuff about the time period so I get why someone would find it interesting (the internet was fun back then I don't blame zoomers for feeling like they missed out because they did). I think she should stick to focusing on one of her characters instead of 4 though because it makes research easier.

She should make a somethingawful account to read old threads there, SA used to be very influential and unlike many smaller forums is still active.

No. 2572997

>>2572896
oh my god i used to post on there

No. 2573016

>>2572997
ayrt There is a high chance you and I know each other KEK

No. 2573024

>>2572751
Usually I go back to basics; shapes, drawing from reference, that kind of stuff. I try to also bring back up the stuff I was inspired by to see if I just have a different eye that appreciates other stuff. Dealing with it now, I realized a change in brushes digitally or a different angle of color theory offered an interesting alternative route.
>>2572756
Likely some sort of texture overlayed. Grain, noise, etc. Probably could just google "noise texture" and apply it as a multiply layer atop your finished pieces.

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>>2572603
I like your idea a lot, nonnie! Have you seen Genshiken? It might not be set in america but perfectly shows the early otaku culture

No. 2573109

>>2572995
if it took this long for someone to mention Something Awful, and since no one has even mentioned Anime News Network, 4Kids, Gaia, Gendou, yt videos broken into 10 minute segments for anime episodes, Borders/Suncoast/Waldenbooks, OP with the idea to write this has a lot of work they need to do to get it right. It's not just 4chan that made up the 00s.

No. 2573116

>>2572652
yea i remember weeaboo being used as a derogatory term. it was a word to mock other people, not describe yourself

>>2572603
also for your lolita character, egl-comm-sales livejournal is a great resource. it was something everyone used back in the day. they have posts from all the way back to 2006, and if you look through some of the older posts, you can see some old coords. also some old terminology (i forgot that people used to use the terms "loli" and "loliable"). it would certainly be something your character would go on (if only to look at all the pictures and never buy anything, like i did)

also i like looking at fyeahlolita for nostalgia reasons. they have posts on there from 2009 (and possibly earlier. the blog is sadly hard to navigate). i got into lolita in 2011 so it was a bit different by then, but still far more similar to the 2000s than nowadays. good luck nona, your project sounds cool!

No. 2573135

>>2573116
>yea i remember weeaboo being used as a derogatory term. it was a word to mock other people, not describe yourself
It’s still used that way, though maybe more lightheartedly

No. 2573142

I wish well meaning zoomer nona a lot of luck. As someone who grew up in the 90s-2000s its not that the info isn't there, its that trying to capture this pre-social media as we know it type world in nuance is going to be extremely difficult for someone who wasn't there. We could all list every memory, but we can't show her a world pre- what it is now. Same is the case with any time in history but a "pre" timespan and "post" timespan is very difficult to crystalize. Trying to explain how being online wasn't the norm, waiting hours and hours for one mp3 to download, waiting months for new anime EPs, the way online communities work.. No matter what the grasp will be from a position that can't quite conceptualize those things. I believe in her more than other zoomers I've seen charging ahead with "y2k" innacuracies but she definitely has her work cut out for her.

No. 2573158

>>2572703
>>2572711
>>2572912
>>2573116
>>2573142
Thank you for your ideas and insight! >>2572722 I think it'd make for a more interesting story, albeit harder to pull off, if it were set in a conservative state where hobbies like that were especially more likely to be shunned upon
>>2572717
My intent for it was never to be wholesome, I'm aware of how much of a different landscape it was and I want it to be true to the times while remaining lighthearted.
>>2572734
>>2572745
>>2572750
I appreciate your honesty.
>What bothers me is that the anon just hasn't mentioned anything culturally weeaboo/anime that would serve the purpose of making this about 2000s weeaboos
Part of it is for my autistic fascination with the time period and how different fan culture was back then, of what I've seen, it was a lot more carefree where if I made a story that took place in present day it'd be ridden with stuff like proship discourse, trannies, and other stuff that isn't fun to write about.
>>2572768
>In all seriousness though, why? What is it about this time period that appeals to you? What is the draw? You mentioned not really being aware and cognizant of the culture as it was happening so what is the appeal of creating a comic that relies so heavily on period accuracy, for lack of a better term, as the main appeal?
Admittedly, I have a "born in le wrong generation" complex and got into fandom and otaku culture during a rip in time where aspects of old and new fanculture were in equilibrium. To better understand what I mean, I remember talking unapologetically talking about Hetalia yaoi on forums with a bunch of other girls my age being politically incorrect all the while we had flower crown avatars of the characters and identified as LGBTQIILMNOP++. I think traces of that era still existing online while not remaining completely accessible makes me mystified. I hope I am making sense.
>I’m not trying to dissuade you or criticize you, but just skimming what you have written so far about this premise and it already feels like what it sounds like you’re afraid it will come across as, a poor facsimile of a culture you did not experience but wish you could
If you have any criticisms of what I've written so far, I'd like to hear them as being accurate to the time period is super important to me. Of course, these are just ideas in my head for now which can be changed at any time.
>>2572858
>>2572876
This is a bit discouraging, but I really want to give it my all and maybe it's copium, but I truly believe through preservation and internet artifacts from that time period that remain today I can at the very least, emulate it.
>>2572915
I've been meaning to play this, and this knowledge definitely makes me want to more!
>>2572995
Thank you! I was actually thinking about the fujo and scrotaku character being the two MCs, since they're the ones I've thought the most about and have the most fun making ideas for, whereas the other two are just side pieces in all honesty. Maybe reoccuring support character for those two?
>>2573084
After I finish what I'm currently watching, I was planning on starting Genshiken actually! It seems less idealized than say, Lucky Star which is good for both research and my own entertainment kek.

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>>2573158
You seem like a sweetheart. Best of luck

No. 2573172

>>2573158
Godspeed, nona! And don't forget to get some millennials to test read for authenticity kek

No. 2573204

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nonas posting art in tumblr, can anyone explain to me how to get exposure or is it just another popularity contest type of algorithm thing? i have been posting consistently there and i only get some likes, and i have seen some other accounts that barely get any interactions even if they are consistently interacting. i moved from IG cos i was fed up with my post not showing up on the feed (and i hated the resolutions and such), but i'm really tired of not getting any interactions from posting. i just wanna have a comm to sperg about my special interest, sigh.

No. 2573211

>>2573204
Tumblr functions through exclusively reblogging and tagging your posts appropriately. It also helps if you already have a group of friends to bounce your stuff around for you, but if not then just rely on tagging your posts appropriately and reblogging your own posts every now and then. Reblogging other people's stuff also helps, because many people on Tumblr may follow you for what you generally have on your account and not just your posts (for example someone who posts and reblogs a lot of cutesy stuff may get followers who seek cutesy aesthetic blogs to look at). Obviously fandom content is the easiest to get traction with, particularly shipping, but anything can work really. Tumblr's algorithm is not as vicious as Twitter so your stuff primarilygets around through sharing and tagging. Try to find out some popular tags in the public you want to reach out to.

No. 2573227

>>2573211
tysm nonita for your post! it's rough out there, all feels really clique-y. it's surprising to see some utter garbage getting reblogs and some other artists with cool art getting buried under the pile.

No. 2573241

>>2573204
In my experience, tumblr is more about knowing how to categorise/market your stuff through tags, rather than consistent posting like other sites (it's why I prefer the site over the others tbh, I'm not a consistent/frequent poster but I do get consistent responses to my work). Some things that can help is figuring out what tags to put your art into, how tags work (idk if this is still the case, but iirc tumblr prioritises the first 5 tags on a post or something), peak user times, and reblogging other artists or interests (maybe adding on a little comment in the tags or directly on the reblog, I know I've used those to hop from blog to blog using posts I like notes).

Are you actively reaching out to others (eg sending non-anon asks, commenting in posts' replies or through reblogs), or just posting to your blog?

No. 2573249

>>2573227
Tumblr can feel a bit clique-y because it's very insular in my view, which is a good thing. You pretty much only interact with what you want, AKA what you follow, so your experience is completely tailored to what you specifically seek. That, coupled with XKit that allows you to even completely blacklist and block posts you don't want to see, can make Tumblr seem likea bubble hard to pop but it's not so difficult. Basically just learn to tag properly, use the most effective and popular tags first (the first five tags get prioritized by the algorithm), if you're reblogging someone's art add a little comment on the tags because that can cause them to check outyour stuff or follow you. Tumblr doesn't care how often you post which is a blessing compared to Twitter or IG, so it's a matter of quality over quantity. Reach out to other artists too, send them asks, follow them, reblog their stuff, because that can cause them to follow you and exposes your content to their following!

Basically just cultivate nice bonds and be smart with tagging and posting times. Good luck nona.

No. 2573253

>>2573241
to answer your question, i kinda do the following:

-post and use tags related to the fandom (name of the series, character and/or descriptive tags related to the content of the artwork). i try to avoid using ship tags, although i know these bring more traction.
-reblog art/stuff i like (but i rarely add tags to these)
-try to interact with people that reblog my stuff (like saying thanks)

i know the meat and potatoes of tumblr is ship art, which i hardly do. i have noticed that (of course) relatively good artists with quality work will get a lot of interactions on a fandom until they decide to jump ship. others have a lot of followers, but shit artwork, and still get a lot of interactions. tbh, i hate ship zealousness and all that's involved with it, but that's what people want to see: the ken dolls du jour snogging.

No. 2573255

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>>2573249
tysm nona for your advice and the tips! it's good you mention the whole "curate your fandom" thing, because i didn't pictured it like that on my head.

No. 2573262

>>2573142
I’m nta but if she’s an older zoomer we weren’t exactly not there so much as very young. It’s from a child’s perspective but I do remember what the 2000s were like and the pre social media age.

No. 2573284

Completely unrelated to y2k research nona.

I've noticed a lot of zoomers are so arrogant about their mediocre art. Posting shit like "So peak", "SHES AMAZING, I LOVE HER", "come get your food chat" and shit like that with their poorly colored, shit anatomy trite design OCs. Some artists are arrogant but I see this off putting shit from the zGen so much. Even when the art is good, that kind of approach just turns me off them completely.

No. 2573314

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>>2573284
>I've noticed a lot of zoomers are so arrogant about their mediocre art.
I could have written this post holy shit.

No. 2573315

>>2573284
the only way they know how to appear confident or interesting or funny is to parrot garbage that got a laugh somewhere else, they either have a crippling fear or lack of ability to communicate anything genuine and so use stock phrases. of course their art is going to reflect this as well, you have to want to grow and express something decently to even figure out step one of getting better at art: recognising the need to learn and put some effort in.

No. 2573336

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anyone else have a grudge with a mutual kek
>drew her oc for free with one of these, picrel, because she happily replied eagerly
>fast forward a few months or so, she had a tweet that used a template with “i’ll draw my oc wearing your oc’s clothes” and i wanted to get closer with her so i offered my ocs
>she never finished this
>fast forward to art fight
>she’s attacking people left and right
>”hmm maybe i should attack her”
>draw her an amazing piece with a fully rendered background
>”OMG NONA SAN THIS IS AMAZING I LOVE IT SM THANK YOU!!!”
>days pass by
>watch her continue to attack other people
>event ends, ends up not attacking me back
yeah i’m done with this bitch. gave her free art two times but never reciprocated anything. can’t wait for her the day she suddenly pays attention to me again so i can ignore her kek

No. 2573377

Is it really impossible to make money off art? I'm tired of my regular job

No. 2573387

>>2573336
Are the people she's attacking popular artists or people she's trying to endear herself to? That's pretty shitty of her. Its frustrating when something like that is supposed to be fun and the other side doesnt uphold their part.

No. 2573405

>>2573336
>treating a relationship like it's a transactional business deal
That was your first mistake, never do things for others with the expectation of getting something back. Either do them because you want to, or don't do it at all.

No. 2573451

>>2572550
Maybe interest? What guy likes pretty princesses and their bishie princes for an example? Mostly women. Making art subjects centered on female topics genuinely resonate with women but not so much moids for a lot for reasons.

No. 2573470

>>2573387
it was a mix of both, maybe she was pretty busy with art fight in general so she forgot me or just deemed me as not important enough to get back to. to be honest this wouldn’t bother me much if it weren’t for the fact that i drew for her before too, and she also didn’t draw for me back when i tried participating in a template drawing meme of hers. even if she didn’t realize she’s done these all to me, it still feels shitty to be used like that, i feel like a fool. makes me very petty and hateful kek

No. 2573495

>>2573314
>400 likes
i want to alog so bad

No. 2573502

>>2573495
its going to ruin your whole life knowing there are more than 400 deathfats on the world

No. 2573531

>>2573377
Not impossible but usually soul sucking

No. 2573556

You think it's going to amount to anything?

No. 2573570

>>2573495
400 likes on twitter is nothing

No. 2573574

>>2572919
Was that really a thing anywhere other than 4chan? All the other sites I used in the 2000s (dA, Gaia, oekakis, Quizilla, etc.) were full of girls.

No. 2573587

>>2573574
Yeah I remember what anon is talking about. Not specifically where tho

No. 2573590

>>2573574
I think there was definitely some separation of gender across the various websites. Pretty much any site focused on gaming was like that, and I think Newgrounds still struggles to get away from it's "machismo" reputation even with the shift in it's community.

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>>2573158
good luck with the comic! But be careful, your webcomic might blow up in popularity one day and some people will make the connections of you using LC. It would be cool to also include a female shut-in loner character who likes scroteshit ecchi anime and visual novels because she's heavily influenced by male-dominated imageboards and said imageboards is the only way she can freely talk about her nerdy interests. I haven't seen this kind of character in any media before but there was definitely some girls who had this experience during that time period
>>2572818
Not comic related but there was an anon who wanted to make a high school visual novel about a fujoshi and one of the characters are inspired by that lacryboy roachification art and Randal Ivory, does anyone remember her? I wonder if she's still working on the project

No. 2573626

>>2573574
It probably varied a lot, the communities I participated in skewed heavily male and I recall the dominant attitude being very Don't Ask - Don't Tell (if you're a woman) and women who openly said they were women were viewed as toxic attention whores. I honestly felt that way at the time too but in my defense when you're just trying to play Chunky Soldier Adventure XY users with IDs like \\//Ch1ck_ofD3tH//\\ who were obviously fishing for attention in chat the whole time were a little grating.
Where I'd hang out it was generally accepted that women were around but if you wanted to be well liked you had to keep your sex to yourself or very low key.

No. 2573835

>>2573495
All of their pompous posts have that description and accompanied by that much interaction. I genuinely hate this person with all my soul, but for the world's pettiest reasons kek

No. 2573961

>>2573204
lol i could've ghostwritten this in my sleep, i've got the same issues too. i've been getting the most interactions at tumblr, one piece got 22 notes which for me is a LOT compared to the 4~ likes i get over twitter. i'm in the process of grinding those fundies so i can give followers and passerbys something actually good to like, i admit my skill is still pretty low so that's part of the reason i haven't gotten as popular! love your picture too.

No. 2573963

i can't imagine being this male centered or retarded. its a shame because I actually like her art a lot.

No. 2573967

>>2573963
As a artist of male characters, this genuinely made me choke on my drink. The retardation is strong in this one.

No. 2573997

>>2573963
sexual dimorphism will always exist and be recognizable in people's minds no matter how many melties trannies have over it kek also god her rendering is ugly.

No. 2574049

>>2572603
Seconding >>2572662 as well as adding that you should look at old encyclopedia dramatica articles from the time. A lot of them are still up with images and everything, teenage weeaboos were one of their favorite targets.

Also, don't forget to use Suiseiseki memes if you REALLY wanna be accurate. Pisses me off how the actual true anime queen of 4chan has been historically written out in favor of characters trannies can project onto like Osaka and Konata.

No. 2574061

>>2573116
This was more common with newbie lolitas and itas, but eBay seems to have been super common as well, with both shifty replicas like from the infamous momocrafts (this was the period before replicas were convincing and subsequently contentious, however) and accessories like wigs and shoes, PrincessPeachie’s video on her first Lolita dress is a really good source for learning about just what was available to westerners at the time, https://youtu.be/MPmnGEkdnEY?si=IUANUXk4n7XM6Iqn there was online stuff ofc but in metropolitan cities as well, there was the possibility for there to purchase imported Lolita fashion, I’m 99% sure the irl btssb and ap locations in the west like in San Francisco and Paris were already established by the 2000s.

No. 2574068

>>2573963
His nose is completly broken and in a whole different perspective.

No. 2574102

>>2572603
She was a queen weeaboo troll. Her videos did massive numbers for the time, this is just a reupload account and it's been forgotten since the content isn't as timeless as NNSG but this is prime content you wanna be watching if you wanna replicate the era. Again though, she was a troll.

No. 2574104

>>2574102
I remember when people used to say retarded all the time. You can find old nostalgia critic videos where he uses the word too. Good times.

No. 2574107

>>2574104
I'm bringing that shit back, idgaf. Stupid and dumb were slurs at one point too, retarded just hits different. I'm autistic so I can say it just as much as TIFs whose only thing they've done to transition is change their pfp to south park yaoi can say faggot.

No. 2574112

>>2573963
Tbh I actually agree with what she’s saying, but only because i think the transphobia is based. The retard tifs are making fun of her by saying they can’t draw men on her newest video that still has comments turned on, but those same tifs would be deeply hurt if you told them that they look like a girl even though they’re trying to pass as a man kek

No. 2574118

>>2573963
all the while she's drawing a bog standard twinkish young man with a thick male neck, deep set masculine eyes etc etc. insufferable, sexist school marm

No. 2574121

>>2573963
the nose does seem like its looking forward unlike the whole face wonder if its a common thing for her to fuck up or if its meant to be crooked?
>>2574112
i disagree with her because transphobia isnt even real, some people just arent as delusional as trannies and have eyes kek

No. 2574125

>>2574112
Samefagging but she’s honestly right, I fucking hate it when trannies draw what is clearly a woman but they’re like “this is my oc, he goes by he/him ^_^” girl shut the fuck up that is a woman. You cant draw characters who actually look like men because you’re a shit artist so the most you can do is just draw female characters and call them men. Or a femboy

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>>2574049
Rozen Maiden was huge. I would have never predicted that in ~20 years it would be considered relatively obscure to the average anime fan.

No. 2574189

>>2574186
It genuinely pisses me off considering 2000s-early 2010s internet culture is huge right now but literally NOBODY remembers her. She's in no pinterest boards, no aesthetic compilations, all because she's not appealing to people who wanna larp as weird girls. Meanwhile the actual weird girls were trying to be HER.

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>>2574186
i loved Rozen Maiden so much and didnt know it was considered "obscure" is it really? but the way retarded e-girls and even some artist who act like they were on "the old internet" act makes me a bit glad its not as popular as other stuff

No. 2574222

>>2574189
The gentrification of my 2000s-2010’s internet trauma makes me fucking seethe. I have such contempt for these people that I am unable to properly put it into words. Is there a better thread to discuss this? I don’t really want to talk about how I hate zoomers but more so the cultural shift towards nerd culture.
>>2574202
>is it really considered obscure?
I feel like if I grabbed a random person at an anime convention now and asked if they knew what Rozen Maiden is, a solid 75% would have no idea what the fuck I am talking about.
The number of people who have only recently gotten into anime within the past five years is huge and make up the vast majority of the western community now I feel. I rarely to never see series from that era really discussed unless it’s a meme like Lucky Star or shounenshit like Bleach. Maybe other anons have a different experience but that’s been mine.

No. 2574226

>>2574222
>Maybe other anons have a different experience but that’s been mine.
I've been seeing shit like Anohana and Clannad getting discussed more on tiktok, but it's in compilations where they call these animes underrated. Like no sweetie, Durarara isn't a show nobody knows, you were just born the year it came out.

No. 2574280

Can you giys at least pretend some of this stuff is vaguely about art? Like, thread tax a little…?

No. 2574287

>>2574280
What, you gonna tell me on to the mods? Go on, go tell your mommy, and maybe she'll squirt some milk directly into your mouth with those dirty farm hands of hers as a reward.(infighting)

No. 2574293

>>2573963
You know it's bad when even the tiktok zoomies are shitting on her. I wish she kept the comments on this video up

No. 2574300

>>2574287
Nona, I don't think hitting us up with your kinks so openly is a good idea…

No. 2574308

>>2574300
What, are you jealous and want in? It's okay, there's more than enough to go around. Not like any of us are actually drawing, we have all the time in the world.

No. 2574318

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>>2574308
>Not like any of us are actually drawing
I'm in BED, damnit

No. 2574328

>>2574308
>Not like any of us are actually drawing, we have all the time in the world.
Speak for yourself. And why use this thread if you aren't interested in the thread topic, there's like three different threads these ongoing discussions could have been better done in instead.

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I'm noticing that a lot of artists consume a ton of caffeine, both hobbyists and commercial artists. I haven't had a consistent supply of caffeine lately, and thus feel extremely unmotivated and I wonder if the link is as obvious as I think it is, or merely a coincidence.
Also, do you guys watch any women artists on twitch? I found a few and they are absolutely precious. One's my mom's age kek

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Anyone else have friends with "ridiculous" taste in art?

I have a friend who will get physically angry in disgust over certain characters, call them ugly, badly designed, say they're disgusting, nitpick eveything, block people who post art of them and then go "unlike THIS design which is amazing" which she will praise to the heavens despite both of them being same-faced anime girls from the same universe and they look 99% the same. Just one is blonde and the other has pink hair and different outfits. I never know what to say or how to react, I just want to scream at her that they look the same.

No. 2574502

>>2574049
Also leetstreet boy's music videos are a perfect and accurate reflection of the early American otaku culture
>>2574189
>She's in no pinterest boards
Some of the desu memes on pinterest suddenly started to get more traction and i even saw them on my front page once kek

No. 2574515

i was honestly starting to suspect one of my friends of repainting / tracing AI images because her art started to look way too good for her typical level of skill. she claimed she had been doing a lot of studies. then on a livestream last night she accidentally opened a tab in her browser that had a bunch of midjourney images in it that she obviously traced off for the piece she was working on. it was pretty much one-to-one, the colors and lighting and everything were exactly the same. the tab was on screen for at least 10 seconds, i don't think she knew we could see it and nobody said anything or pointed it out, but i don't have anyone to tell so i'm telling you nonas kek. sad but i feel like as time goes on more artists are going to start copying AI and i don't know how it would really be possible to catch it unless they make slip ups like that

No. 2574520

>>2574515
Yeah. I agree; I swear to god someone I watch on Twitch is tracing but I can't prove it. It just… it's so tiresome. I guess the benefit is that the ones who don't use AI will start to stand out as being more unique with execution.

No. 2574531

>>2574515
I think we’re careening towards an era where people who use AI are going to create an accelerated cycle of slop and soon a whole swath of “art” is going to look exactly the same, even worse than it is now on Instagram. I think having a unique art style will be more important than anatomy or rendering eventually.

No. 2574536

>>2574531
It'll just be a repeat of the whole over-rendered instagram/pinterest girl/illya kuvshinov headshot phenomenon

No. 2574543

>>2574531
I wonder what level of slop will be reached when AI has been being fed all these people's bad/traced over AI art for a year or two because it's what's glutting up a lot of art spaces

No. 2574546

>>2574531
Literally the same thing that happened when the camera was invented and demand for realistic paintings dropped.

No. 2574637

Used to take pride in how fast I draw. But now, I don't know if that's a good thing. Seeing so many artists redrawing the same line over and over during streams is fucking funny though.

No. 2574656

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>try to draw beautiful and unique looking art like so many other artists
>i just draw the same shit in the same boring art style with the same line art and rendering and colors a bajilion times

No. 2574674

>>2574656
Time to study Old Masters nona

No. 2574807

>>2574359
I find if I have too much caffeine it makes me too shaky to draw. It’s kinda a meme for artists to take really bad care of themselves, hence the coffee/monster/cigarettes/sugar diet. It’s not good for your art though. I personally have the most motivation and inspiration for art when I’m getting a lot of exercise. I come up with ideas (/they come to me) while I exercise and then i go home and draw them when I have time. Too little caffeine (ie none at all if you’re used to a cup a day) won’t help either though, there’s a happy medium.

No. 2574971

>>2574359
Once I hit 30 coffee just wasn't doing it for me much anymore, but it's definitely used a lot for any job that needs concentration. I have started eating fish oil pills after lunch and have a better diet of fiber/protein and they help

No. 2574980

>>2574328
Gonna hold your hand when I say this nonny, but it was a joke. Sometimes conversations just naturally get off track because we were discussing something adjacent.
>>2574531
What's going to be important is the ability to tell a good story. If there's anything AI has proved, it's that people are lonely and want to connect to others, as so many people are using AI as a substitute for connections they lack. If you can take your own emotions and pack it into a story that's palatable to people, others will flock. Look at ranfren for example, the art is incomprehensible a lot of the time, but perfectly encapsulates what it feels like to be an outcast loner who refuses to have your vibe killed despite it all.

No. 2574982

>>2574637
I'm the same, nona. I used to pride myself in the fact I know I'm able to pump out a completely rendered fullbody painting with a complex background in roughly 6 hours, but after feeling the toll it has on my body I no longer think it's a good thing.

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They can’t be serious? This was one of the most boring themes listed in the poll. Either this was rigged or art fight users have shit taste kek

No. 2575058

>>2575055
I thought the same thing nonna

No. 2575063

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>>2575058
Just looked up reactions on Twitter and this user makes a good point, at first I was salty because the themes were simply boring/uggo but yeah now it’s really obvious which team is going to win.
I thought that stardust was the more obvious pick last year, but seafoam had a lot of vocal support so I thought we had a chance. When looking at actual statistics though, stardust had like 30k more members kek. And they did end up winning too.
Fossils vs crystals is such a retarded match up my goodness, only the contrarians will join fossils but that’s simply not enough. I expect this to be one of the most lopsided distributions in af history

No. 2575071

>>2575055
>>2575063
Art fight gets like tens of thousands of new TikTok zoomers joining each year and they’re all obviously going to choose team crystal kek it’s over

No. 2575077

>>2575063
I was seafoam last year too and I don't think it was in the lead a single time I checked kekk

No. 2575080

>>2575077
Kek I remember doing that as well. Well if anyone cares about joining the winning team to keep a record or something go ahead and pick crystal, this is gonna be the easiest victory ever
At least vampires and werewolves was kinda unexpected based off recent memory, vampires had more members but I guess all the furries on team werewolves made them win

No. 2575086

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LMFAOOO LOOK AT THE THEME TEMPLATES ITS ACTUALLY SO OVER
>team crystal: cute pink theme, sparkly and with hearts
>team fossils: ugly diarrhea brown and bones
You cannot make this shit up holy hell. What were they thinking

No. 2575088

>>2575063
IDK fossils seem like they'd popular with the many Cavetown bug boy TIFs. Surely Artfight has enough of them to balance it out.

No. 2575089

>>2575086
I like fossils but this is so ugly

No. 2575091

>>2575088
If you check the number of members on each side, the one that I would guess to be more popular always had the majority…for example vampires, stardust, and now crystals. Most people are basic which includes artist tifs tbh

No. 2575092

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>>2575086
Ah yes, diamonds versus rocks.
Real talk though, I think fossils are cool because skeletons and Pokémon and ancient civilizations, etc. The concept is super cool. But you can tell they let A Friend design this shit and not someone with actual talent.

No. 2575099

>>2575092
If anything they should’ve chosen gray/silver for fossils, this diarrhea brown color scheme they chose for team fossils is nasty

No. 2575101

>>2575086
Why does worm need its own category?

No. 2575103

File: 1750625225118.png (57.27 KB, 200x200, 2025_Fossils.png)

>>2575099
ayrt The idea is there, but…

No. 2575108

>>2575101
Worms have been trending for a while, hate em

No. 2575109

File: 1750625716283.jpg (988.89 KB, 2048x2539, tumblr_cf9f94de964738fba11ffb8…)

Why does old illustration look so realistic despite the lack of ''rendermaxxing''? it's hard to explain and i am ESL but i noticed in a lot of old illustration the artists mostly focus on the face and then leave the rest of the painting in flat colors, like for example here Norman Rockwell left the pants and most of the checkered shirt in flat colors, but it doesn't break the realism of the painting.

No. 2575112

>>2575055
>>2575086
I feel like it's a because crystals are easier to draw than skeletons kek

No. 2575113

>>2575108
The game? is there really such a strong worms fandom. Wow.

No. 2575120

>>2575109
I think it's because details like the folds in the fabric and reflections on the metal bells aren't completely phoned in. There's still deliberateness in all the things painted in the illustration. The combination of flatness and depth in a more painterly style isn't overly painful to look at unless it's flat + wrong or that weird, overly saturated cell shading look.

No. 2575129

File: 1750626783140.jpg (25.25 KB, 736x805, yay.jpg)

>>2575092
yeah im probably joining fossils based on the dino but the colors and overall theme suck ass, it just looks like its rusty or something, it should've been ligther colors something like picrel maybe
it would've been like a complement and something a bit calmer to the aesthetic of the crystal theme instead of an ugly contrast

No. 2575135

Do you need OCs for artfight? I just can't be asked to do ref sheets after doing so much of them way back when

No. 2575137

>>2575088
Yeah, there are a lot of dinosaur kids in the Discord saying they’re going to choose fossils

No. 2575139

>>2575135
You could also put a picture of your pet on there if you have one.

No. 2575140

File: 1750627197852.jpeg (73.29 KB, 1200x671, IMG_9981.jpeg)

>>2575086
Reminds me of this

No. 2575142

>>2575137
Vocal minority tbh. Members of the obvious less popular team are always more vocal because they wanna be contrarian kek

No. 2575143

>>2575055
How the hell did city lights and forest nights not get picked? am I out of touch?

No. 2575145

>>2575143
That was also my first pick nona kek

No. 2575146

>>2575139
I was wondering about that…is an actual photo okay or would they have to be drawn like a character first

No. 2575147

>>2575143
I think the one-word teams flow better tbh. Also why would you want to be on team light pollution

No. 2575148

>>2575146
An actual photo is completely fine! People even upload screenshots of their characters from video games

No. 2575149

File: 1750627647013.webp (45.4 KB, 640x640, IMG_9381.webp)

>>2575147
I like the flow of the two words. And I would be on team forest nights.

No. 2575150

>>2575140
>Male sims vs female sims

No. 2575153

File: 1750627769074.jpeg (271.41 KB, 1080x1920, IMG_9380.jpeg)

>>2575112
I kind of wonder if they picked this because crystals and fossils are easy to draw compared to having to think of something creative to represent the other team concepts

No. 2575156

>>2575153
I'm kinda sad that unicorns vs dragons didn't win

No. 2575159

>>2575156
Wouldn’t most people pick dragons though (except the pegasisters)

No. 2575160

>>2575153
Also the artist is some literally who TIF that locked their account + probably DFE'd everything on their main twitter account, it has less than 10 media posts but has been around since 2018. Definitely looks like some friend/nepo pick
https://x.com/KRAKENPHO/media
https://x.com/phocalor

No. 2575161

>>2575153
I’m going to think they rigged it for this reason unless they reveal the poll results. Show us the poll results damn it
>>2575159
Nona..the bronies

No. 2575162

>>2575161
>Nona..the bronies
Isn’t Art Fight majority female?

No. 2575166

>>2575162
nta but a lot of girls are into mlp or pony style designs/adoptables, i've definitely seen some pony ocs
i haven't seen those horse artist on artfight but they would probably pick unicorn too

No. 2575173

File: 1750628544655.png (1.12 MB, 2048x2048, IMG_9383.png)

>>2575148
I would love to do that because I think humanizations of animals and the more animalistic anthro art is super cute.

No. 2575175

>>2575166
Based on what I’ve seen it definitely seems like there are more dragon OCs though

Anyway I wish it had been Time vs. Space or Arctic vs. Tropic, but Crystals vs. Fossils isn’t that bad IMO

No. 2575188

>>2575086
there's a female fossils/archaeology autist out there devastated and tearing her hair out over how poopy they made her special interest look

No. 2575193

File: 1750629498256.png (9.51 KB, 200x200, IMG_9982.png)

>>2575175
I don’t think the themes are bad, just that their color choices and design for fossils is… poorly thought out. I think if they went with something more similar to Animal Crossing’s approach it would have been much better.
I also think choosing pink for crystals just highlights how bad the fossils’ side looks kek

No. 2575196

>>2575193
this wouldve been so cute! pink crystal + hearts then dark blue fossil + stars…

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No. 2575204

People are also pointing out that the colors look like peanut butter and jelly

No. 2575210

>>2575196
I think the pink in crystals also gives it an unfair advantage to be honest! I would probably change it to a light purple/blue and make fossils dark blue and green, leaning into the plants and lichen growing on rocks. Anything is better than the baby vomit diarrhea color palette they went with… Also what do butterflies have to do with crystals? Make them sparkle sure but it just looks like the girl’s toy aisle at Walmart right now.

I would think the role of the designer would be balancing the two themes to not only complement one another, but design them in such a way that one side would not have an obvious unfair advantage. Making crystals bright pink with butterflies and fossils poop does the exact opposite of that kek

No. 2575211

File: 1750630639391.jpeg (Spoiler Image,46.33 KB, 660x440, images - 2025-06-23T081147.195…)

The colours look too close to themes we've had in the past, this is just Steampunk v Either kek. Im so tired of orange vs purplish/pinkish themes.
>>2575188
Not only that but a Triceratops' neck would not fucking bend like that.

No. 2575226

i’m going to pick team fossil because i’m old kek. we might have a chance if all the older and more experienced artists went fossil

No. 2575250

>>2575086
The colors don’t bother me as much as the fonts do. Looks like they filled it in on google docs or the shitty clip studio test tool

No. 2575253

>>2575250
*text tool(learn2delete and repost)

No. 2575270

>>2575211
>a Triceratops' neck would not fucking bend like that.
maybe that's why it died and became a fossil

No. 2575275


No. 2575285

>>2575270
God, I didn't think about that. Bless the Artfight team for giving representation to birth defected or strangled dinosaurs.

No. 2575333

File: 1750638958538.png (978.43 KB, 1080x1067, 1000022961.png)

Wow this is really a downgrade in artstyle, even when not taking the coom aspect in consideration. You would think artists would improve over time, what causes this and how can it be prevented?

No. 2575345

>>2575333
>what causes this and how can it be prevented?
i don't want to act like a mini-mod or anything like that and i agree its a downgrade but dont you think this has been discussed enough?

No. 2575366

>>2575333
What drawing for clout instead of passion does to a mfs art skills.

No. 2575368

>>2575109
>Why does old illustration look so realistic despite the lack of ''rendermaxxing''?
Because they… referenced… real people, nona… Not anime bullshit. Rendermaxxing art doesn't look realistic at all…

No. 2575369

>>2575368
A lot of rendermaxxed garbage is referenced from pinterest though.

No. 2575371

>>2575368
Why are you… Typing… Like this… Do you have… Asthma…

No. 2575375

>>2575371
I do, actually. Please stop shaming my disability. Didn't the other nonas just praise Artfight for inclusivity? Why can't we be more progressive on LolCow Dot Farm?

No. 2575376

nonas, do any of you have recommendations on making good ref sheets for your ocs? for artfight to be specific. i kinda wanna make one that looks like those know about me sheets they give to elementary schoolers.

No. 2575378

File: 1750641469502.gif (674.83 KB, 165x296, cat-standing.gif)

>>2575375
my bad

No. 2575382

File: 1750641560909.png (1.53 MB, 1213x921, 1719175661.grau_kiska_ref_sfw_…)

>>2575376
I deadass just copy this furry. BUT. I love your idea. Please do that.

No. 2575386

>>2575375
haha u cant breathe
>>2575109
any examples of what you consider rendermaxxing?

No. 2575387

>>2575369
>pinterest
Pinterest is just an image aggregation site. This adds nothing to the conversation.

No. 2575394

File: 1750642233110.jpeg (914.77 KB, 1125x1476, IMG_9983.jpeg)

>>2575382
I like it when people have something like your picrel and then another image that just show their character doing a variety of expressions/poses. It doesn’t have to be as polished, something kinda like this random image I found on Pinterest, but it’s a good way to let people know your OC’s personality without reading a bunch of text first

No. 2575395

>>2575387
She most likely means the shitty dA tier "tutorials" in lieu of actually learning how to render like a normal non-socmed poisoned artist.

No. 2575396

File: 1750642745897.jpg (395.9 KB, 1920x1203, katerina-ladon-img-2335.jpg)

>>2575387
I obviously meant they are heavily referenced from pinterest pics
>>2575386
Something like picrel, basically any modern DND or RPG box art has this ugly plastic look to it despite it's attempts at realism.

No. 2575416

>>2575387
If I wasn’t lazy I’d make one of those astronaut with a gun memes that says
>it’s all copied from photo references?
>always has been
Like there’s the advanced artist’s course where all these golden age American advertisement/magazine illustrators share their methods and they literally all copied their own photograph references and models. The only difference between now and then is that current artists are lazy and swipe whatever resources they find online instead of doing their own photography

No. 2575426

>>2575416
Yeah i know that i own several Norman Rockwell books that show his illustrations next to the references. My question was about what makes his rendering more realistic looking and less plastic than something like >>2575396 i know both artists use references everyone knows that.

No. 2575434

>>2575426
It probably helped that Norman Rockwell did not paint digitally or follow youtube tutorials during his career

No. 2575442

File: 1750644582590.jpg (62.79 KB, 735x717, lash bug.jpg)

>>2575396
in my opinion this type of art just tries to put too many details and has to "rendermaxx" certain areas to draw attention to it, it also seems way more stylized in some areas and the brush strokes really dont help, look at the guys left arm compared to the right, look at the robot's body it has almost the same detail level as the girl on the back but its so close it feels weird to me and it doesnt feel properly textured
like wtf are those lamps?
i think its just different styles, most concept artist seem to follow a certain standard and i dont think its realism tbh
also the rockwell drawing you posted has subtle details, folds and the way the skin, stick, and even the bells are colored really add to it
also referencing pinterest stuff might not help much if you dont understand the photos or use really edited ones and try adding some sort of style on top of that

No. 2575447

>>2575426
id probably say its because of the texturing and yellow undertone giving a unified look to the piece. he also does a bit of hue variation like on the face and back which gives a lifelike look

No. 2575455

>>2575447
Yeah i was thinking the same. I think traditional lends itself to more subtle and natural hue shifts, now i need to find out how to do that in digital since i am a poorfag.
>>2575442
Its the first thing i could find there are definetly more realistic looking modern dnd drawings but i cant be arsed to spend 30 minutes finding more examples its all the same boring trash to me.

No. 2575456

>>2575442
Seeing this picture rendered me unable to speak for a several turns

No. 2575480

>>2575396
>pinterest pics
But Pinterest has all kinds of pictures. Photos, drawings, anime, AI…

No. 2575482

File: 1750647346781.jpg (947.02 KB, 2500x1211, 1602812251114.jpg)

>>2575455
i found this in my reference folder, maybe it will help you?

No. 2575609

>>2575210
>girl’s toy aisle at Walmart right now.
exactly kek, i kept thinking this is like the "sexual dimorphism" in children's toys, like an ad where the girls toys and room set looks like a cupcake threw up on it and the boys toys and room set looks all wild and rough with a diarrhoea colour palette or a foresty one.

No. 2575619

File: 1750655609558.png (2.35 MB, 1404x1764, athiec geng.PNG)

So dark skin is very reflective and decent lighting will show this quality and show the person’s facial features properly. How would you portray this quality in more cartoony/anime styles without rendermaxxing?

No. 2575623

File: 1750655990360.jpg (158.22 KB, 768x793, 1f29e7e6477fe9d5434be991cd0fe2…)

>>2575619
What do you mean?

No. 2575624

>>2575442
Probably boils down to lighting dark room with focused spot lights yield more shadows versus painting someone sitting in a room or outside yields less.

No. 2575705

>>2575086
I mean, I'd probably pick Fossil because as a concept it's more fun (you know, lost worlds, dinos, ancient animals, bugs in amber) and I just don't like crystals that much but they have to pick someone who can fucking draw for these. I never use these templates because they're just ugly. They could have gone for a vibrant amber color, a silver or a blue/green one evoking past and dinos in forests or something. The pink is also bad to me, you got crystals you could literally do sparkly coloful shit and instead it's just… dark and dull magenta? The fuck are the hearts even there for?

No. 2575707

>>2575086
both of these are fucking hideous to me. the fact these fugly things are graphics for an event all about art is actually embarrassing

No. 2575784

>>2575707
It is. But! Luckily, because every nona that uses this thread is an artist, nothing stops us from decorating it a bit! I want to try and give it a honest hearted attempt to redesign.

No. 2575786

>>2575784
I figured I would adjust the colors if I fill one of them in, I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else do it yet

No. 2575788

File: 1750677879484.png (Spoiler Image,458.3 KB, 804x459, casual lighting versus studio …)

>>2575109
Consider; the image presented is done with somewhat of a natural, less-intense lighting. he face is full of varying planes, especially on aging men, thus giving it more "character". Things lit with softer lights will yield less complex shadows.
>>2575396
Your picrel here has far more dynamic lighting and fictional elements to it that have been pulled from ones' imagination. Hopefully this helps.
picrel is a screen shot of someone walking down a street and also a model with a specific lighting source.

No. 2575832

>>2575619
Cellshading seems like it would work. Your example image has very distinct blocks of lit and unlit skin. One light tone, mid tone, and dark tone should be enough.

No. 2575906

>>2575101
because the admins never left behind the unfunny worm on a string meme from 2018

No. 2576008

Drew fanart for a kinda unpopular ship and a week later somebody posted a complete rip of my picture lmao i dont know if i should be flattered or offended

No. 2576190

>>2575705
>bugs in amber
now that you mention it, the prettiness of amber would've rivaled crystals, it would've been more fair, and it would be cuter if crystals were in a complimentary colour like blue

No. 2576312

how many of you are drawing artfight attacks b4 the event starts? i atleast will draw out some poses in preparation

No. 2576636

File: 1750723187470.png (161.72 KB, 293x375, shayna propeller hat.png)

Does anyone else feel like they arent intelligent enough to make good art? it's something i battle with every day.

No. 2576652

>>2576636
Yes i am a low iq retard but okayish at visual learning and copying from other artists you like helps

No. 2576664

>>2576636
Who are the super duper smart artists? Artists aren't even known for being intelligent

No. 2576679

File: 1750725406320.gif (3.81 MB, 500x337, waaa.gif)

>>2576636
kek that pic is so funny, wish shayna was still fun to me
not sure if you mean like smart enough to think about good/interesting themes or smart enough to apply fundamentals properly but i literally can't stand anything perspective related, read like a couple pages of perspective made easy and made a couple drawings and it wasnt too hard but i dont want to do drawings related to it, i just cant sit and read on it or watch a video i don't know why but i wish i just got over it already

No. 2576687

>>2576679
What's with anons posting so many completely random and sometimes upsetting images lately? It made sense in the dumbass shit thread when an anon claimed she had psychic powers and could tell what people were thinking by they posted, then never responded to any anons (and yet anons still kept posting random images). Are you guys in a cult? I've seen anons get banned for posting images that have nothing to do with the post and it's starting to get annoying and weird(derailing)

No. 2576688

>>2576679
>>2576687
Nona why does this gif upset you lol
I imagine people are posting images because this is an image board but I could be retarded

No. 2576689

File: 1750725959298.jpg (1.31 MB, 2731x4096, FTka8hfUYAIuoLO.jpg)

>>2576664
I would say at least some asian artists whose parents initially pressured them into degrees with higher paying careers kek. Explodikid mentioned that she used to be an engineer but quit it to make webtoons for a living, though I find her art generic and uninteresting so iq definitely doesn't guarantee creativity.
Some people do just have high iq professions that make money then draw on the side. There was this other artist who made really beautiful painterly animu art but I can't remember her name, I think she mentioned doing computer engineering

No. 2576690

>>2576679
Perspective is absolute torture, i don't wanna have to draw boxes for every little thing

>>2576687
I think you need to take a break from using lolcow

No. 2576692

>>2576688
It's a rule on lc and people get banned for posting images that have literally nothing to do with the post they're making. Like what made you want to post this gross gif?
>>2576690
K. Anyways, here's the post I'm talking about, weird as fuck >>2574208

No. 2576693

File: 1750726249011.jpg (52.91 KB, 372x500, cowendecker.jpg)

>>2576687
oh im sorry i just think its weird not posting images for an imageboard and without them my posts sometimes feel empty
just had it saved on pinterest and thinked it looked cool, we're on /ot/ anyways so i didnt think it mattered or that someone would find it upsetting

No. 2576696

>>2576692
>It's a rule on lc and people get banned for posting images that have literally nothing to do with the post they're making
What the fuck no that isn't a rule at all lol where did you read that from?

No. 2576698

>>2576693
Nonna ignore whoever that schizo is i thought your gif was cool i like the old sci fi vibes

No. 2576700

>>2576696
A newfag got a warning for constantly posting images that had nothing to do with her posts a few months ago. It definitely makes sense as a rule, since images are usually relevant to posts in at least some way

No. 2576701

>>2576664
I think you need certain amount of intelligence to draw harder stuff, think of someone like kjg. I dont think a brainlet could reach his level and it pains me. I will still try though, i want to master perspective no matter if it kills me.

No. 2576706

>>2576700
The only actual rule like that that i know is the avatarfag one, anyone is allowed to use any pictures they like as long as they aren't avatarfagging

No. 2576707

>>2576701
I feel like Kim Jung Gi isn't a fair comparison though, he's like autistic savant tier.

No. 2576708

File: 1750726848475.jpg (128.65 KB, 806x1080, IMG_20241130_150358_809.jpg)

>>2576693
I always appreciate non sequitur images, they activate my curiosity and get me digging for sources. They're like food for growing fail-artists.

No. 2576710

>>2576706
I saw a ban and janny warning about this specific thing (posting completely irrelevant picrels that had nothing to do with the post) and "soapfagging" isn't listed in the "official" rules either, afaik. Anyways I'm snapping on catmouth birth-anon bc it was so annoying over the weekend, in dumb ass shit thread and beyond

No. 2576711

>>2576700
Well, that's borderline avatarfagging no? But it's not a rule, unspoken or otherwise enforced or not, that you can't post unrelated images in ot boards. Maybe in certain autistic /m/ threads but elsewhere that is completely absurd.

No. 2576719

File: 1750727227844.jpg (73.93 KB, 736x713, kim jung gi.jpg)

>>2576698
>>2576708
its from the movie "uninvited" btw
>>2576690
right? but its like i cant even start drawing when it comes to it

No. 2576727

File: 1750727602034.jpg (165.38 KB, 1000x1333, MV5BYmExNTM2YWUtNjBjYS00NWQ4LW…)

>>2576719
Here is some interesting art from your movie, as a peace offering nauseating gifrel-anon typo/improved art

No. 2576729

>>2576707
kek true but i feel a lot of older artists also had higher intelligence. They felt like they had better grasp of perspective and 3D space to me.

No. 2576770

>>2576636
i feel like i'm not cut out for this because i can't come up with any interesting compositions, poses, color choices, etc… i mean in my head it's all great but my skills are waaay below the things i imagine. so yeah i feel fucking dumb.

No. 2576786

File: 1750730840762.jpg (966.42 KB, 1080x1087, Screenshot_20250623_210646_Fir…)

>>2576312
I'm thinking about it. That was the intent but life sucks ass atm
>>2576770
Have you tried planning your art?

No. 2576789

File: 1750730884968.png (504.67 KB, 1280x967, tumblr_96a928a40f9c91faec7dc41…)

It's basically stick figures, the initial phase.

No. 2576805

>>2576786
I hope things improve for you nona

No. 2576811

>>2576636
me lol but I don't give a shit, I know I'll never be a master artist but I still love art and drawing so I do it purely for my own fun. And just by playing around I've improved a lot without even really trying. Perhaps I'd be even better if I studied seriously, but perhaps not. I'm having fun with my short time on earth and one day the sun will implode and take all of earth with it and nothing of humanity will even be left so really who cares if I can't paint like Michelangelo

No. 2576824

File: 1750732963440.gif (2.94 MB, 773x1000, nm1fgak9zphd1.gif)

ngl, Sometimes I wonder if the advice I throw at people on this site either makes sense or is heeded. I kinda use this place as an unbiased way of gauging the effectiveness of the bullshit that comes out of my mouth.

No. 2576840

File: 1750734286885.jpeg (937.69 KB, 1125x1209, IMG_8669.jpeg)

>>2576824
I will follow whatever advice you give me, no matter how bad or good, and give you advice feedback nona. We can build something together.

No. 2576843

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>>2576805
Thank you for your unexpected kindness.
>>2576840
Will this be enlightening? Terrifying? Dangerous? Let us embark onto this adventure together nona. First, let us draw an owl.

No. 2576854

>>2576824
Why is the difference between the rendering of the background and the rendering of the character so massive? the background is beautiful but the character looks amateurish kinda

No. 2576855

>>2576854
It looks like they put their whole pussy into water rendering, but the rocks themselves look super amateruish and on the same level as the character imo

No. 2576856

>>2576855
I was going to say that too but felt it was TOO salty kek that water rendering is insane thought. How the fuck are you so good at rendering water but terrible at rendering fur and armour?

No. 2576869

>>2576786
>Have you tried planning your art?
not really! i will keep this in mind, thank you nona.

No. 2576893

File: 1750739055154.png (66.18 KB, 355x691, trello.png)

I was looking at ArtFight's Trello out of curiosity, which details user-submitted suggestions for site features and improvement, and noticed that "Pronoun spaces for profiles" was rejected.
It surprised me as a similar suggestion was rejected for the Discord server as well. The site needs a lot of work so I am not opposed to this obviously, but it's a simple feature to implement that I thought they surely would if asked.

No. 2576898

>>2576893
To be fair, it's a bit of a retarded thing to do when people can just write them in their profile. On AF and Discord. Gendies are brain dead.

No. 2576969

>>2576893
Did you read the comment?

No. 2576978

File: 1750746961059.jpg (169.29 KB, 1080x1275, aftrello.jpg)

>>2576969
I'm not >>2576893 but do you mean this?

No. 2576987

>>2576978
>would require a decent amount of work on the development and design side of things
Am I misinterpreting the suggestion? Aren’t they asking for a specific spot on their profile to show their pronouns? What the hell does that website’s code look like where this is a challenging suggestion to implement?

No. 2577001

>>2576978
Yeah, it shows that it isn’t really rejected but is a “maybe” for the future
>>2576987
Images have not been working for like 48 hours now even though they said they’d fix it soon. Several maintenances later it’s still not fixed kek, at the end of the day this event is run by a small indie company please understand.

No. 2577016

>>2576854
>>2576855
>>2576856
Looking into this guy. A friend of mine thought he improved a BIT too fucking fast when exploring his old art. Pretty sure he is doing shit like photo bashing and tracing but I can't prove any of it. He's also pretty pompous despite having zero work experience with art kek

No. 2577045

i'm going through a hair pulling moment. nothing i do seems to be right, my anatomy is more than rusty. it's like i reverted to being 12 when i just started drawing. and i'm soooo overwhelmed because there's so much i have to work on but i don't know what to pick up first.

No. 2577049

i am surprised how nonas mention how they used to be on ic, back when i was a teen and used it, it was full of gross moids so i wonder when did that change happen

No. 2577069

File: 1750755947420.jpg (84.34 KB, 884x903, CoeRDR2VMAA-YcR-1.jpg)

>>2577045
Never forgor, nona. Never forgor.

No. 2577078

>>2577049
just cause nonas were on it doesn't mean they posted anything, I personally just lurk for free brushes and reference photos and I bet lots of others do too

No. 2577096

>>2577049
It's still full of gross moids besides it was proven how many of the /ic/shills were troons trying to promote their groomcord servers

No. 2577099

>>2577049
Anyone who uses /ic/ for anything but the resource threads is a mouthbreather.
>>2577096
kek never forget about that ''nonna'' who called us femoids, ugh.

No. 2577104

>>2576708
That image is so sad poor baby. Let her in right now!

No. 2577128

>>2577078
If you're lurking or just using the archive for free stuff it's not really posting on /ic/. There are posters here who try to claim the board isn't that bad and 90% of the time they turn out to be some discord beg or shotaslop artist

No. 2577146

>>2577128
Would you make a pass on DADfags? I don't and wouldn't use it but it's more like participating a retarded Deviant Art group than posting directly amongst the worst of /ic/. Not telling you that you have to, I'm just curious on what your thoughts are.

No. 2577279

>>2577128
nta I used to try and help permabegs with the redline thread but it disappeared or some shit prior to the site melt down.

No. 2577572

Im sorry but this thread shitting on /ic/ will never not make me laugh considering lc somehow manages to draw even less than the adverage gaggle of /ic/ retards.

No. 2577573

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No. 2577582

>>2577572
>adverage
and you shouldve taken some spelling classes kek this isnt a post your art thread anyways retard

No. 2577695


No. 2577696

>>2577582
LC doesn't draw in any thread though you're just mad about the truth kek

No. 2577698

>>2577696
nta but there are multiple threads on lc for drawing, go be stupid somewhere else

No. 2577705

>>2553829
The tablet arrived. I need to wait for my apartment lease to end in a couple days before I can use it though

No. 2577807

NEW THREAD
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