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No. 2554367

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No. 2554378

>>2554367
Love the art!

No. 2554382

>>>/ot/2554292 theyre all mocking her in qrts kek tbh half of the "proof" seems outlandish (pun intended) imo if you couldve handled this privately why blast it out of proportion? seems like juby2.0 all over again

No. 2554389

>>2554382
to me its very obvious she did it to promote her webcomic because she keeps mentioning how it's ongoing and how it'll have an animated film and makes a super long threads with pictures of said webcomic and some characters and all. it's very attention beggy to me

No. 2554414

>>2554389
I used to follow them as I admired their artwork but I never had any interest in their webcomic and when they started posting about it started to become a little pathetic, yeah. I think it's fine to promo your projects but you have to be careful about it and keep things in a positive, "look at this cool character and cool scene! here's some backstory on them that didn't make it in and some concept artwork!" mood. Being beggy about it can actively turn your audience against you.

No. 2554433

>>2554382
i feel like people are getting tired of “copying” accusations from online artists in general because most of the time it ends up being one egotistical retard who’s basically just angry that other people like the same shit they do. if the similarities aren’t undeniable artists would be better off facing the fact that they’re just not that original

No. 2554568

>>>/ot/2553924
>don't even think these kids know there is more internet outside twitter and rentry
Even outside of apps, if you're an older teen turning into a young adult it's often more important to have a phone number for adult purposes. I wish I could just stop paying a phone bill all together but sometimes by phone is the only way some places are gonna reach you. The times where I didn't have a phone briefly have always been more inconvenient to me that when I was between computers

No. 2554581

>>2554298
>>2554292
The movie art does seem very inspired by their art, but it's different enough to not be plagiarism. Plus, it seems pretty normal to make an homage to other art you like. It seems that elioli duo is just pissed that dude was able to execute the ideas better.

No. 2554625

>>2554568
Yeah that was my point, the ideal would be having both a phone AND a computer, but there isn't much a computer offers you that a phone doesn't so kids/people nowadays prefer to just own a phone since it's more convenient for daily life and more or less have apps similar to a computer's utilities.

No. 2554736

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furfag artist who draws bara yiff has been arguing with some tranny apparently but idk who they meant

No. 2554743

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>>2554736
samefag he argued but already deleted everything

No. 2554745

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>>2554736
>>2554743
apparently he called that tiktok tranny a "he/him" and faggots are still crying about it
>Nick is known for his infamous cringe videos, where he purposely tries to get misgendered just to rant about it for clicks. More recently, he’s been filming himself in women’s bathrooms at Disney, “rating” them on camera.
sad the drama didnt even last

No. 2554761

>>>/ot/2554366
Holy ESL batman

No. 2554769

>>2554743
This is an insanely good point. Trannies are always okay with using "nigga" but the second you don't call them xer it's physical violence.
>>2554745
Absolute shame that this shit didn't last. The fire fizzled out despite having ample fodder.

No. 2554792

>>2554769
he probably relized theres too many trannies in the furry community and didnt want to lose customers out of controversy

No. 2554974

>>2554736
Weird to see a furfag of all things say it how it is about a TIM that isn't like an extremely bigoted and perverse edgelord. I'd almost say based if he wasn't such a coward and well…

No. 2555111

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>see a video about what female rape survivors were wearing when they were assaulted
>this moid’s reaction is to talk about how moids harassed him for his male feminist comic
Holy retardation

No. 2555125

>>2554743
most trannies are just racist former poltards tbh. they can be as racist as they want to everyone but as soon as you can them sir they start flipping tables.

No. 2555157

>>2555111
>me being boolied for a comic is the same as women and children being raped!
Clearly you don't hate yourself enough this might be a TIF but the deaf tone response leads me to believe this maybe be a moid

No. 2555160

>>2555157
>>2555111
Do both of you have no basic reading comprehension skills

No. 2555241

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>>2555157
>might be a tif
I think it’s clear just from the comic that he’s a moid

>>2555160
I initially read it the way he intended it, then upon watching the video I realized he’s retarded for bringing up his own drama, centering his own experience being harassed for making a corny comic about him becoming a misandrist ally, on a video about women who were raped as babies and children. He could’ve commented about the video itself, but he didn’t. He shared his stupid comic and how he was boolied for being a feminist ally on top of that. That’s attention whoring 101. And nothing you say for this moid will stop me from seeing him as yet another self-centered moid who finds ways to talk about himself when “advocating” for women

No. 2555378

>>2555160
He quite literally made it about himself. Why would you talk about getting mean comments for any other reason besides getting attention? He could have retweeted the video, talked about the video and in a seperate tweet talked about his fellow tards being tards.

No. 2555390

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Nonnas, what resolution/size/color profile do you work in when making art for print? And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok online? I’ve always made art digitally but have never printed my work before so I’m new to this. There are so many options, it’s overwhelming.

No. 2555494

>>2555390
sRGB and 300dp, usually art programs auto-size your canvas after you select the resolution and their preset printing sizes.

>And what do you do to it to make the colors ALSO look ok online

Simply have two copies, the sRBG for online and the CMYK for printing. I usually just draw normally and post online, then when it's time to print some of the drawings I change the color space to CMYK and ajust the colors so they're as close to the sRGB as posible. I tent to make various versions and print them out on a single sheet to pick which one looks the best.

No. 2555636

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27k likes calling elioli art delusional ooof

No. 2555700

>>2555636
This is crazy, ELIOLI has always been very well liked, sad and embarrassing to see them tank their reputation like this.

No. 2555755

>>2555636
i have to say im surprised by how fast and how many even some of their own fans called out their bullshit instead of the usual yesman shit you see with these uber popular artists. it really is a shame they really shouldve dealt with this privately but seeing how attentionwhorey both of the twins are being after the callout id say the early intuition about this being a prstunt was right(and only getting 100 likes on a 100k account…bots might be real)

No. 2555879

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I wonder if this artist is referring to the comments anons made last thread on >>2549779
It lines up perfectly kek, the tweet was posted last night, a few days after the artist was posted last thread. Unless people are complaining about this guy on twitter too?

No. 2555880

>>2555879
Is Meisharan actually a moid? Why does he give a fuck about what people say about him?

No. 2555966

>>2555879
Oh this person totally is in this thread lurking kek

No. 2556077

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>>2555636
The Elioli meltdown is hilarious, they deleted the callout post and then made an entire thread saying that they "are not bothered and will not change their stance" and "don't believe this will change their audience" but all tweets have locked comments and they've resorted to blocking and calling people "bots" kek. The best part is that there are now many posts showcasing how a lot of their Webcomic takes heavy inspiration from many Ghibli movie frames, scenes and themes and asking why is it okay for their Webcomic to knock off those scenes but when an indie creator does it it's plagiarism.

This is amazing, but also disappointing. I thought Elioli were better than that.

No. 2556173

>>2556077

absolutely loving how nobody is buying elioli's shit. i thought it would be a horde of whiteknights coming to their aid but instead a lot of their own followers seem to be turning on them and condemning their behavior. maybe the world is healing after all.

No. 2556226

>>2555755
>>2556173
From what I've seen before, Elioli seemed to have a more "professional"ish posting style that doesn't bring in as many parasocial 14 year olds. A lot of the popular younger artists act more like influencers and post every single tought that goes on in their heads so their fans are more invested in them as people and are more yes-man.

No. 2556233

>>2556077
their webcomic is nothing special, its pretentious and incoherent, it reads more like a storyboard than an actual webtoon, cosmo princess on the other hand looks better in comparison tbh, sounds like they got butthurt cause a small creator did it better than them

No. 2556304

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I hate to ask, but what are some useful videos to help understand color and how to use them? I'm quite overwhelmed and I'm lost on where to start improving. Right now, I struggle picking colors and my work ends up looking washed out and flat. I'd appreciate any recommendations!

No. 2556329

>>2556304
Marco Bucci is good for color theory

No. 2556335

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>>2556077
I'm still somewhat on the fence on the Elioli thing. The response from the creator of Cosmo Princess was somewhat weird. "Oh I never saw your art before, except this one time in which I did use something as inspo for one thing but I had no clue it was yours, because I found it on pinterest." >>2554366 also suggests they ran in similar circles, and he followed her for years.

I think the main proof it's not plagiarized is the fact that Cosmo Princess seems to have a clear plot based on the trailer (spaceboy sees big space princess) and I'm 5 issues into the webcomic and haven't seen any hint of plot yet.

Picrel just utterly confuses me though. I don't see obvious copying here at all, and yet this is claimed to be proof of him "implementing a background." This is also the image the Cosmo Princess artist admitted to seeing and using for inspiration, so why even cop to that? How many "purple pinky tinted scenery mountain" type pics can possibly exist? Millions? More? I don't know about you, but the mountains I live near always turn kind of purpley pinky every sunset. I think that's just how sunsets work.

No. 2556354

>>2556335
i think ELI's post was a bit paranoid and unhinged but tbh the reply from the artist of Cosmos Princess was obviously using chatgpt for a majority of his reply posts so I am still a bit suspicious of him as well. (I edit writing for money so I am very familiar with people using chatgpt and lying about it so the speech quirks are incredibly obvious to me)

No. 2556372

>>2555879
>>2555880
this fuels my belief that this artist is a woman

No. 2556376

>>2556372
some moids simply dont have a spine especially if theyre trying to bait woe is me pity asspats because theyre getting boolied by the haters. im not convinced just yet

No. 2556398

>>2556354
It could be me reaching but I'm pretty sure the guy speaks crappy english and is trying to use chatgpt to translate what he says into a proper response. Judging by how small his account was, his name is obviously french and there are some japanese texts in his account, I think he must be some frenchie with subpar english skills who must've moved to Japan. I only say this because I'm french myself and a lot of french people, even higher ups in companies, have pretty bad english and use AI/google translate to communicate sometimes.

No. 2556504

>>2556398
>It could be me reaching but I'm pretty sure the guy speaks crappy english and is trying to use chatgpt to translate what he says into a proper response.
nta that was 100% my guess. Both sides nave hilariously bad English. Starts to read as spaghetti word puke after a while when I think too much while reading it.

No. 2556696

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anons what sketchbooks do you use/have used and recommend? or have used and wouldnt use again? and why? im trying to choose but reviews arent helping and the brands seem a bit new so im not sure

No. 2556702

>>2556696
What medium are you using? What purpose? Gotta be more specific. Hell, I am a fan of printer paper, ballpoint pins, and mechanical pencils, and that satisfies me. Helps to buy a few IN PERSON so you can get a feel of the hot or cold press paper.

No. 2556733

>>2555494
Thank you nonna!

No. 2556744

>>2556226
Exactly, it’s what I’ve always liked about them, they let their work speak for itself. I’m still surprised to see so few defending them but the way they’ve handled this has been extremely disappointing. The doubling down is embarrassing

No. 2556765

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>>2556702
i was thinking about just using printer paper since i mostly use pencils or ballpoint pens, just for sketching and some figure drawings
Also have some alcohol markers but i was thinking of buying the canson brand ones cause i've seen other artists use it i know nothing about paper tbh

No. 2556773

>>2556696
Always a fan of Strathmore, although what's best is going to an art store IRL and feeling the paper with your hands. If you draw with pencil or other things that smear, get a bookbound sketchbook as the pages won't rub together when it's closed. I use rings for everything because I don't care but all my sketches get blurry after awhile because of it.

No. 2556804

Anyone else feeling a bit disillusioned with the whole artistic influences thing? Basically I mean that so many cool styles or looks are now heavily associated with like tiktok trends and irritating teenagers it feels trite, performative and "poser"ish to try and incorporate those elements into your art.

No. 2556822

>>2556804
yes when all it takes is some vindictive asshole to basically be mad at you for taking inspiration from anything at all. i make the shit i want to make anyway but it annoys me to constantly be surrounded by egotistical assholes who also copy things sometimes being mad that other people ever do similar themes as each other. and we’re all forced to never ever admit we find anyone’s art inspiring. i don’t get it. if artists like elioli are so fucking upset that some things are remotely similar to their thing then they should just stop posting their shit online. if you don’t want to share your art then don’t fucking share it. sorry nona i went slightly off from your point but that’s my art salt kek

No. 2556831

>>2556804
What elements specifically?

No. 2556842

>>2556831
Like 90s and 00s anime art, the look of 00s websites or design elements, 00s cartoons, dress up games or "girl" games, scene kid or mall goth look, flash cartoons and website, just any stuff that tends to be kind of trendy right now.
>>2556822
It is ridiculous. I saw someone making a joke that in order to not "copy someones artstyle" you would need to somehow forget that you ever saw their artwork in the first place. I think some artists are genuinely just psychos and if it wasn't the style thing they have in issue with they'd find something else to seethe about.

No. 2556879

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>>2556765
i started using canson sketchbooks (the green "drawing" type specifically) after drawing on printer paper for forever and i love em. ive casually used watercolor, acrylic paint, alcohol markers, reg markers in them and dont have any bleeding problems! The Sketch type is also good but the paper is considerably thinner. only issue ive had with them is the covers tearing at the spiral squares, but thats in my decade old ones and is easy to reinforce/keep from happening if youre aware of it.

No. 2556889

>>2556879
I second this.
>>2556765
Also I think it's neat that you use classic Godzilla for picrels kek

No. 2556924

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>>2556842
This specifically bothers me because 98% of the criticizers weren't even alive for these things. They don't have a right to them. They don't engage with them and copy the same few things. Having been around for all of the 90s and 2000s anime, the bad localizations, DiC sailor moon and Brock eating jelly doughnuts instead of rice balls, it's really exhausting to see your nostalgia be wrung out into a husk for the sake of trends and aesthetics. I could rant about this forever but I'm pissing myself off. Everything is a trend. The thing about the anime specifically is that people were so genuine before and now it's difficult to tell if someone even gives a shit or if they're just plastering their art with sticker scans and old anime because it's trendy or it they even know. I understand but I don't understand.

No. 2556941

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i'm confused, nonas… so confused. it's been a while since i visit these threads because i've been forgetting to backread, i enjoy going through them all. anyways, i've been struggling with growing an audience! yes i'm still a beginner but i've seen people in my skill level get at least 20 likes per piece… my twitter posts don't get to the double digits. i've been the most successful at getting attention in tumblr and i think it's because of the better algorithm, but twitter is still the bigger platform so i obviously want that x clout. i could just grind and git gud in private but i want the interaction! i want people acknowledging things like little details and things my art reminds them of and making discussions off that, i make fanart mostly so i value discussion. idk i like sharing stuff and the idea of seeing the stuff i do get lost in the void is very, very depressing, i don't want to be alone in my art journey. i want to write a webcomic but i've stopped myself from even starting with the script because i want to make sure at least a classroom worth of people are out there checking out my work.

maybe i'm extremely fucking unlucky because i see that even the people posted in cow threads get more engagement by posting shitty poorly written smut and navel-gazing "philosophy". i tag the shit out of my posts and try to add cheeky descriptions, but perhaps i'm missing something?

No. 2556948

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>>2556804
I agree that it's retarded but I also don't really care, this weird fixation on style and inspiration has been going on for decades now. I am inspired by a huge number of sources and media and I'm not being greatly inspired by any particular singular artist more than others. I consciously avoid trends and treat my media consumption like one would at a video store, browse > find something a bit interesting > watch/read/play > even if it's a bit shit get something out of it. I don't mean to sound snobbish but generally worries about copying (whether you're copying or someone is copying you) come from having a small or shallow media library and I find socmed and things like Pinterest (everyone in a niche are seeing the exact same things) really compounds that issue. I'm not saying I'm the most creative person in world because of this, or even particularly creative in any way, but I cannot stress how good finding your own sources is for you, artistically and generally.

No. 2556949

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>>2556773
>>2556879
>>2556889
thanks nonnies! yeah i love godzilla

No. 2556963

>>2556941
It sucks but if you want the discussion you often have to start it yourself. You need to get into the groove of just blogging into the void to try and get people to interact with you and eventually just send DMs to people you'd like to talk to to start the conversations and see if they're interested in talking about fandom stuff or artwork. It also helps to just imagine what it would be like to be asked about your artistic process for a piece and then put your response under as the description, even if it's short it can invite discussion. The person who's online persona is a confident Stacy is the one who gets to chat with friends.
I've also had a little bit more luck with Newgrounds. While the site is much smaller people are much more focused on interacting with each other and doing collabs and that can be an avenue for meeting people, but again, you usually have to be outgoing and shoot the first DM.

No. 2557205

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does anyone have any guides/suggestions about spotting blacks (figuring out where to put the large areas of black ink) for a western-style comic? i feel like i'm pretty good when it comes to drawing strong contours, but i'm totally lost when i try to go beyond that and fill stuff in.

No. 2557208

>>2557205
the writing content isn't good but Sin City does a good job with that (in a very stylized manner). Maybe you can use that for inspo.

No. 2557210

>>2557205
I recently found this exercise and I think it might help you

No. 2557229

>>2556376
Most of his fanbase is female he's just trying to bait them into saying they're sorry for him like the retard handmaidens they are

No. 2557262

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I never had an online art presence before, one day I want to start to share my art publicly on social media and gain traction but seeing how big digital artists get retarded callouts and cancellations over nothing, is it really worth it? I also get easily addicted to any positive online attention and I'm scared that popularity will ruin my mental health and self-awareness

No. 2557295

>>2557262
The callous of social media's negative sides grows eventually. How effective it is probably depends on the person. Could do like Eastern artists and DFE every time you get too big kek

No. 2557342

>>2557262
There's genuinely no point in being scared of popularity before you've made even one post. You will most likely not get uber popular and if you don't hang out in discord servers with bippies and/or degenerates you won't have to worry about anything happening to you.

No. 2557409

>>2556842
If those are the things that you really like and want to express and represent in your art please don't like others stop you. Maybe you should block some of the bigger artist or get off of tiktok and let the media from the era and your memory of it inspire you. Don't get caught up in what's popular. I get over saturation dilutes the uniqueness of things, but if it's important to you stick to it, and if you think it's truly good work then it should be able to endure as good work even well after nostalgia trends change

No. 2557616

Sometimes I feel like I'm doing art wrong. What I worry about, others seem to not care. What those here worry about, however, seem… pointless.

No. 2557701

>>2557616
Ok Yoda

No. 2557722

>>2557616
would you be more specific? in any case, no, there's no wrong way to do art unless you draw lolishit. why do you need people on lolcow to tell you that?

No. 2557736

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>>2557616
Remember your roots of what got you started…. Everyone talks about fundamentals of art… but nobody talks about the foundations of why you began.

No. 2557806

>>2556335
To me it looks like he said he’d never seen elioli’s art before because he wasn’t familiar with that project, then elioli pushed about that specific image comparison and he went back to his Pinterest reference boards and discovered that he had unknowingly saved & referenced elioli’s work, and not remembered because he was unaware that was even their art. Obviously he could be lying about how much he was aware of/remembered it, but it’s not automatically suspicious to me. Also following someone on Twitter =\= constantly keeping up with their work as it develops, or even being aware of them outside of ”industry professional in a similar area to yourself”. I think artists online get too paranoid about plagiarism and see it when it’s not necessarily there. This is compounded by drama driving engagement and artists trying to stir up drama in the hopes of going viral and having their work noticed as a result. Not saying plagiarism isn’t an issue, it very much is (especially with the incestuous environment of art communities online & TikTok/twitter zoomers), but it’s also a convenient accusation to stir up this sort of engagement-bait.



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