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Marilyn Manson #1 : Fuck You Edition:>>951424
Marilyn Manson #2 : Chin of Sin Edition:>>958209
Marilyn Manson #3: In Search of Lost Tooth Edition:>>969968
Marilyn Manson #4: Fake PR Moves Edition:>>982539
Marilyn Manson #5:>>1012472
Marilyn Manson #6: Baby Manson Time Edition:>>1081947
Marilyn Manson #7: Honeymoon Edition:>>1138599
Marilyn Manson #8: SinChin on Suicide Watch Edition:>>1152190
Old thread bio updated.
By popular request, one unified thread to collect all milk on Marilyn Manson, 52-year-old drug addict, washed-up rocker, serial abuser, and rapist still trying to live vicariously through his glory days of the 90s when he was still young and the drugs hadn't completely fried his brain.
>Accused by multiple ex-girlfriends, including Evan Rachel Wood, of rape, physical, sexual/emotional abuse, torture, forced confinement, and forced drug use.>Uses his barely legal fanbase to find young girls to groom, abuse, and take advantage of while dangling the same one liners of helping with their careers, putting them in a music video, or wanting a serious relationship.>Long term on-and-off relationship with Lindsay Usich, 35 year old NEET and Dita skinwalker who met him when she was 25 and has been implicated in verbal abuse and stalking herself, using his phone to send nasty message to other women he is dating or friends with, and being violent to fans.>Publicly talked about wanting to beat Evan Rachel Wood's skull in with a sledgehammer.>May or may not be using multiple sockpuppet emails to harass and stalk girls. Also alleged to have fake Model Mayhem account to find 18 year old girls to groom under the guise of photographing them.>May have had a sexual relationship with Lilith Levisis (also a cow; see thread) when she was underage, and tried to pit her against his other girlfriend at the time, Gabriella (@sourgirrrl).>Has an assistant (sockpuppet?) named Judd who has been implicated in verbal and emotional abuse and stalking towards young girls.>Got liposuction and tried to claim the bruises were from being beat up by Lindsay.>Torpedoed his marriage to Dita Von Teese over 10+ years ago and is still trying to remake every girl he dates into her image.
No significant social media links, except for the official @marilynmanson.
Lindsay Usich's instagram is @lindsayusichofficial, comments disabled.
Discussed in First Thread:>Receipts from multiple accounts discussing accusations of abuse/assault by Evan Rachel Wood, Esme Bianco, Clare Buley, Louise Keay Bell, and Ashley Morgan.>Harassment and death threats from Manson and his orbiters including ex-assistant Judd and anonymous “online troops.”>Horrorshow performances from Lindsay and her mother, Hope Harvey, harassing and talking shit about and to Manson fans.>A discussion about who is the controlling one in Manson and Lindsay's relationship.>@mansonisabusive kindly shared many receipts and info.>Paranoia and suspicion a-go-go about the general circus that surrounds El Chinno Manson and his Hollywood Hareem.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>951424
Discussed in Second Thread:>More receipts, maybe from trolls, maybe from genuine victims of abuse.>Lindsay concentrates all of her efforts into sharing updates from blissful quarantine cohabitation: plants, cats, and the usual boring posts, but most importantly – usually flashing what looks like an engagement ring.>Also shares a post from her cousin, who speaks of an encounter with Manson, when he referred to Lindsay as his “fiancé.”>Farmers work out this anecdote actually reveals that the engagement happened around six years ago.>It's decided that Madelyn is a deluded pick me, although entertaining. Farmers made a half-hearted attempt not to give her any more airtime as she self-posts and encourages orbiters to post.>A slew of other batshit fans come to light.>@mansonisabusive IG account visits and shares very interesting caps. We thank her.>Still waiting for the @666fearless full story.>Die Antwoord/Zheani/Manson connection is mentioned. Zheani has dirt on Manson, but no one knows what.>Discussion of Linday's catfish accounts including Ticklish Witch, Mina Lowry, and multiple others.>Talk of a super-fan turned super-hater, Tiziana Collins, aka Titti, and whether she faked her own death to return as her own mother.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the second thread for:>>958209
Discussed in Third Thread:>Receipts Lindsay fought with ex-side-chick, Viktoria (Twitter: @LaPetitMort_), and made her personal information public via her Twitter.>Receipts from Viktoria's twitter of Manson talking shit about John 5 (with whom he was about to tour).>Extensive evidence of Lindsay's full-of-cheap-bots followership, poor PR, and desperate attempts to build a fake last-minute career for her.>Manson and Lindsay's engagement announcement (with zero media coverage no matter how hard they tried).>Louise Keay Bell, one of the victims, came to the thread to milk her trauma and change the narrative of her experience with Manson when no one had been talking about her.>Receipts Manson sent legal threats to Louise Keay Bell and more of her and Jessicka Adams claiming Lindsay grooms underage girls for Manson.>A social statement of Louise Keay Bell saying Lindsay was part of Manson's sexual assaults.>Even though Louise Keay Bell was very vocal on her recent abuse case when nobody actually asked her, she was not brave enough to address anything from the above.>Proof of staff molesting female fans and abusing their position.>Michelle's (@666fearless) abuse case was fully revealed. Some anons questioned her credibility.>More evidence of his abusive, toxic, racist, misogynistic behavior from various interviews.>Proof that Manson forces his orbiters to sign NDAs.>Poor fake and full of shit PR moves.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>969968
Discussed in Fourth Thread:>A video of Manson admitting to fucking underage girls on stage.>Madelyn was accused by anons of sitting outside of Manson's house in her car on Lindsay's birthday. A photo Madelyn had taken of herself in her car and a few of Hope Harvey's tweets (quoted) from before she went private were posted as proof.>Questioning why Hope went private in the first place. Deduced that Manson's lawyer probably reached out to her because she was sharing too much personal information.>Talk of an account (@_noname666_) that commented on one of Madelyn's posts, mocking her and her “relationship” with Manson.>Suspicion of whether he and Lindsay are already married or not after he posted a photo on his IG page, wearing what looked like a wedding band with the caption, “The Price of Darkness.”>Receipts of now deleted hate accounts and subscriptions that Louise Keay Bell posted. @666fearless was also being harassed. Both blamed Judd/Manson for it.>Screens from a website claiming Lindsay had a “baby bump.” Debunked as a hoax.>Dawn (@miss_dangerx, @guitargunn, @dawn.slays and possible other accounts) splurging and accusing Manson of being a pedophile. Also claims that he had a fake FB account (Mark Peak II) and harassed her, using her personal phone number. Was passed off as a troll.>@_noname666_ joined the thread for a bit, revealing that Manson's was (allegedly) formally diagnosed with both bipolar and narcissistic disorders. He was prescribed lithium that he sometimes forgets to take, which is supposed to be an excuse for his behavior. They also alluded to Manson being Lindsay's financial supporter and main source of income, even during periods where they weren't living together.>A whole ton of other stuff that you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>982539
Discussed in Fifth Thread:>Manson finally released his single, “We Are Chaos.”>Speculations that Manson/Lindsay post in the threads after someone dropped a private picture of Lindsay. Anons couldn't find a source.>Screens from Reddit of people saying that Twiggy/Manson had sex with them while they were underage.>An anonymous ex-side-chick leaked some messages and shared some information on Manson. She claimed Lindsay harassed her during the entire period of their relationship via fake IG accounts. Anons finally got an answer to what “Baby Manson Time” is.>The full album was finally released. Lyrics are derivative of his older works and most of the songs read as digs against his accusers/Lindsay.>@mansonisabusive finally made their account public again.>Lindsay posted in her story that her mother, Hope Harvey, passed away. Cows made sure to milk her death as much as possible.>Their marriage was confirmed in an interview he did with Nicolas Cage.>Manson incriminates himself after hanging up on a journalist and refusing to answer any more questions after being asked about the Evan Rachel Wood situation. Rose McGowan posted screens of a message she sent Manson in her story on IG and tagged Evan, claiming she, “wouldn't be used as a shield,” not long after.>A whole ton of other stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1012472
Discussed in Sixth Thread:>Evidence of Lindsay supporting hate accounts.>Laney Chantal shares her opinion on the situation. Caps of her liking some of @mansonisabusive's posts were posted.>Lindsay getting fan accounts to harass anyone that speaks out against them.>Edwin Costa makes a video covering Manson's history.>Proof that Manson cheated on Rose with Dita.>More comments from one of Lindsay's abandoned IG accounts, @lindsay.usich, saying that she was never a photographer before she met him.>Edwin Costa's Twitter and Louise Keay Bell's Facebook accounts were hacked. Anons speculated that Manson was involved.>Cow tries to repair all of his damaged past relationships in an attempt to find allies.>A whole ton of other stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1081947
Discussed in Seventh Thread:>Evan Rachel Wood finally names Manson as her abuser, along with a ton of other women.>Victims saying that Lindsay participated in the abuse.>Loma Vista, his long-time record label, drops him following the accusations. Starz also cuts him from American Gods and Creepshow.>Lindsay's still buying bots. Up to 3k new followers a day.>Caps from Leslee Lane's Discord server of her saying Lindsay was asking for incriminating pictures of Evan.>Underage girls accuse Manson of grooming them on Kik.>Judd was supposedly never fired.>An ex-fan explains how he picks up young girls at meet and greets.>Welfare check called to Manson's house.>A whole ton of stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1138599
Discussed in Eighth Thread:> More victims come forward saying they were abused by Manson when they were underage.> Otep Shamaya claims that Lindsay is a victim too.> @anniejanaabrams posts caps and recordings of her conversations with them on her IG.> Evan says she had to take legal action against Leslee Lane and Lindsay after they threatened to release incriminating pictures of her.> Corey Feldman releases his own statement about Manson.> Louise Alexander drops Lindsay.> A whole ton of stuff you need to lurk the previous thread for:>>1152190
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I posted this comment on reddit yesterday, but I think i thought I would share it on here too, since it's topical.
I was a very dedicated Marilyn Manson fan during my teenage years - from the ages of ~14-17 years old (this was from say 2006-2009ish, around the EMDM period, and while MM & ERW were dating) .
I was as obsessed with Marilyn and his art as a teenager could be with anyone they idolize. I spent countless hours watching interviews, analysing lyrics, reading the nachtkabarett forums.
I went to maybe 5 Manson shows during that time period, including following him around California for 3 shows in a row during his tour with Slayer.
I never met Manson during that time, but I sure tried my hardest to. I remember finding myself with a group of hardcore Manson fans after one show, and we all got invited onto Bullet For My Valetine's tour bus. The lead singer of Killswitch Engage was there too and all the band members were talking about how secretive & isolated Manson was from the other groups on tour.
Anyways, one of the hardcore Manson fans who I was tagging along with ended up going "to the back of the bus" with one of the members of Bullet (the drummer I think) and came back out 30 minutes later with about half a dozen all-access passes for the following show, which she handed out to me and the other Manson fans.
So I went to the next show with my pass, wandering backstage as a clueless 16 year old - saw the members of Slayer, the other bands, but never Manson. Ended up getting front and center for the performance, but going home from that tour without ever coming across Manson off-stage. At the time, I was hugely disappointed, but now I'm realizing what a blessing in disguise that may have been. Perhaps a real bullet dodged.
Towards the end of my Manson phase, as I prepared to graduate high school, there's something my high school teacher said to me when we were taking about Marilyn Manson that made a real impact on me.
He said "Marilyn Manson is somebody who could do anything. Whatever he decided he wanted to achieve in life, he could have done it. He chose to become Marilyn Manson, a shock rocker, and he excells at it. But if he had chosen to become a doctor or an actor he would have excelled at those things too. It's just a matter of what you want to achieve."
My teacher was talking about Manson, but he was also talking about me. There wasn't an instant switch, but I think that conversation was a turning point where I realized that if the world is limitless and I can become anything, that I wanted to be more than just the world's biggest fan of somebody else.
Slowly, my interest in Manson faded into the background as I began focusing on myself, finding my place in the world, and becoming the best version of myself that I can be (which is definitely not perfect, but I digress)
I still have some old ticket stubs in a box, and a few old Manson dvds on my dusty shelf, but largely I've moved on from that part of my life. My musical tastes have completely transformed (I'm more into hip hop these days) so I stopped keeping up with his new album releases, and I really just hadn't thought about him much for many years now.
That is, until Evan Rachel Wood named her abuser this week, and it's kind of caused me to think back and reflect on some MM for the first time really as an adult, and in light of these allegations.
The first thing I'll note is that I wasn't surprised when I found out. As soon as I heard that ERW named MM as her abuser, it immediately clicked as "oh no, that makes sense" and the floodgates of old memories of lyrics and videos and images alluding to her abuse came pouring back to me. Suddenly is all feels much more sinister.
As somebody who used to call themselves a fan, I feel a sense of betrayal - partially because at the time it felt like a safe environment to explore that dark side of reality in a non-harmful context, through art.
So there's something really disappointing about finding out the truth: that it wasn't all just theatrics and real harm was being done along the way.
It puts some of my memories of his shows and songs in a different context
I'm still grateful for that time in my life, and still think it was an important phase of my development in its own ways… but I'm also grateful that part of my development was moving past my Marilyn Manson phase.
Even before this news broke, I'd grown to see Manson as somebody who really failed to continue growing as an artist or as a person, and a cautionary tale of how far somebody talented can throw away their creative potential if they put all their energy towards trying to hold onto the past instead of moving forward with life.
Now these allegations are just forcing me to confront the reality of how ugly it got behind the scenes.
I feel kind of lied to by Manson in some ways, even though he was always transparent about what a terrible person he was, I guess my distinction between the facts and fiction just wasn't always accurate and that feels icky.
I think back about what my teacher said about Marilyn Manson, and he was completely right: Marilyn Manson was the kind of person who could have become anything. And that's why it's so much more abhorrent that he chose to become an abuser.
To every fan who ever said something along the lines of "just because he looks scary, doesn't mean he's dangerous" - he betrayed you. He could have stood for something, but instead he just devolved into all his worst & most destructive habits.
I do not doubt ERW or any of the other people who are speaking out against him. As somebody who was once a Mansom fan, these accusations sadly perfectly align with his public image.
On some level I feel guilty for ever glorifying this guy, for telling my friends to support him, and telling my friends to go to his shows (not realizing at the time that could be putting them into a dangerous situation).
I had one female friend, a couple years younger than me, who managed to meet Manson a couple years after I'd fallen out of interest. She gave me a playing card autographed by him, because she knew I was once his biggest fan. Now I see that playing card and just feel concerned for my friend, and guilty about the unsafe situation she was in when she got that signature for me.
But the truth is, I was young, just a kid, and I didn't know the real darkness going on behind the scenes. I can't blame myself.
But what's Brian Warner's excuse? I think it's fair for former & current fans to be upset & disappointed at him. He deserves blame here.
I would be happy to see Manson suffer some real consequences for his actions and used to set an example for why it's not okay to harm other people even if you're a famous performer.
I hope the people in this thread who are fans of his will do themselves a favor, move on from him, and become better than he ever was.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Thanks for the new thread OP.
In addition, just caught up and I’m dying at these comments >>1156882
Pic related is the one that finally did it. I’m dead and buried. Kek.
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Thanks for the new thread.
I don’t think this one was shared yet from Lola Kelly.
I don’t believe anyone here is psychic. We don’t know.
Newfags, please type sage into the email field if you’re not posting a screenshot.
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This person has screenshots apparently of her private account
The picture is somewhere in this thread: >>1012472
. I did a reverse image search and nothing came up. It was a private file, so it had to be posted by Manson/Lindsay or someone that knows them. Annie already said that they read the threads anyway.
If it was them it was definitely Manson be she would never post such an unedited unflattering pic of herself- not to mention all the times he’s said to someone “want to see her boobs?” in regards to his gf at the time.
Another theory though is maybe someone from her past? I’ve often wondered about that. If she’s such an awful person now she’s probably always been like that. I’m sure there are quite a few people from her pre-Manson days that aren’t too fond of her.
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The media picked up Dita’s inconsistent statement.
Her picture is here >>1021762
Pretty sure it's MM posting it. Knowing him it's to piss her off in some way.
There’s been hella weird shit in these threads from the beginning. From anons claiming to be the man himself >>973226
to insane ramblings. >>1081019
None of that is proof but I’ve never encountered so many trolls on a lolcow thread.
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I wonder if the uncut version is available on torrents? or if his fans have it?
There is only a small clip onlinehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T61xc12uzsI(embed)
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That bracelet tho
Spoken like a true neckbeard.
You don’t get it and you’re only trying to derail and discredit. Take that shit to mansonisinnocent’s page and go commiserate with the other tiny brains.
Reminds me of the men who think that toxic
masculinity means masculinity itself is toxic
. They rarely bother to look up the actual meaning. I was trying to explain to my brother why race fetishizing is racist (he has a thing for only Asian girls) and it's sometimes just impossible to relay the message because they immediately jump to conclusions without listening and looking up why it's racist or toxic
femininity is just internalized misoginy, a byproduct of toxic
masculinity. Get lost.
Fucking Hell. What sort of shithole site is this?
Neither of these people said anything remotely offensive or controversial?
be fighting against sexism everywhere it rears it head.
Great job belittling victims
by using their pain to further your sexist agenda while also belittling men and making it harder for them to step up to report abuse they've suffered.(derailing)
femininity see: Dita Von Teese
Surprised that she unfollowed Manson but not Lindsay
>>1157399>Toxic femininity is just internalized misoginy, a byproduct of toxic masculinity. Get lost.
Please tell me your joking.
This is probably one of the most blatantly sexist things I've ever seen.
This isn't derailment. It's the whole fucking point of the culture which lead to people being abused.
There is no excuse for misogyny or misandry. Never.
It's very telling the only people being banned are those AGAINST sexism.
The pig above being an apologist for sexual strangely has got a flair fore derailment.
What a fucking joke.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
No see- the point is this is a thread talking about MANSON and his VICTIMS
. Not a thread where we post dissertations on what is and isn’t misandry, it’s root causes and impacts on society. Especially when the only reason that’s even getting brought up is to try and disparage someone speaking out about MANSON THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD.
Don’t forget your fedora on the way out.
Can anyone confirm any of this information?
Did a quick search and couldn’t find any info on the painting. Is this Brian and Lindsey leaking dirt to hurt E or some loon hoping to please his master.
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Of course Lindsay follows this braindead human being. Of course.
lmfao, watch out to not make her feel important if she'd stumble on this thread. She could feel like she's a relevant insider. >>1157464
Got to get with whatever big brain brians narrative is. lol
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that phrasing of her story just makes me think of picrel
one could say Manson is… especially heinous
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Perhaps this is finally a step in the right direction? Courtney's latest post on IG.
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This is the narrative Madelyn and friends are spinning on why there’s only a meet & greet of them together.
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This post. Read the caption. >>1157536
Maybe not, but if she finally says something against Manson she might stop encouraging fangirls to hop on the "lies, witch hunt" wagon.
This has my gen z ears tingling. Produce the footage and we'll finish em.
Two things people hate…A RACIST AND A RAPIST.
Do it in two different hits though. Once the pedophilia thing makes the mainstream media drop that racist stuff and then they'll reference the nazi stuff and my guy will be done.
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She's too emotional…
A simple "eat my ass you lipstick wearing kid fucker" and moved on. It's like she's in love with him or something
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Some people give her shit here for writing. I think every victim
and survivor has different coping tools. I like her writing and what she said in the post description is why I am fine with her approaching it her way, non?
What a pathetic response. Bb baby is that you? Guess you couldn’t in any way know or understand why victims
need time to process things and everyone’s process is different. Jfc go wallow, B.
I love that for her and now she's in a popular show Westworld and had a baby with a man that is WAAAAAAAY better.
Its 2021. It's her body. Fuck what he thought of it.
because a pedophile junkie who cheats on his wife would make a great dad but it's totally ERWs fault
fuck off faggot
It doesn’t matter if she only met him once, if he abused her it’s trauma. You’re fucked up for assuming. Nowhere did she say she dated him. But he did seem to destroy some big aspects in her life so it’s possible she’s mourning that as well. Point is you don’t know, this is a victim
you’re trying to scrutinize for the way they’re dealing. She’s probably his last victim
Man you Manson turds are really grasping at all your hateful straws. Your hero Manson is the one who decided to “be a home wrecker” not Evan.
More importantly being the other woman ≠ rape, physical and mental abuse. Sorry try again.
Pretty sure Manson still cheated on his wife to fuck ERW. Dictionary definitions won't change that.
Wah wah wah I’m so angry that this woman told the truth about the man I love (no homo bro) and am obsessed with because he ~~helped me through a really dark time in my life bro with his shit music and nonsense lyrics~~ and since I’m in a MUCH better place I hang out on female-oriented message boards and try to convince them he’s not a piece of shit wah. Also I can’t get women to fuck me but that’s totally unrelated.
ANYway Isn’t there a Manson circle jerk you’re late to? You’re…not going to convince us he’s actually the victim
of multiple women/men/exes/former bandmates/assistants/etc etc all speaking out against him. I get you worship him but to those of us that exist in the real world he’s barely relevant, and not the behemoth you think he is doing that anyone would want to “take him down” just for fun.
She has legal counsel. She doesn’t want to say it in a public post. Source: pm. Shes followed by a few of the victims
. I’m positive they’re all working together.
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This guys story about M and Lindsay lining up girls to judge their breasts is disgusting. Rather expected behavior of backstage antics by rock stars unfortunately, but makes me gag Lindsay participated in it. Plus obviously with everything that has been confirmed by victims matching his book, lyrics and random ramblings…. this wasn't any harmless rock star thing.
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Some anons here are suspiciously pressed. It's her private page ffs. IF she was his last victim
and she named him the abuser yesterday as someone mentioned then jeeeeeeeezus you old hags & Brian give her a minute to bounce back. She's writing, has the support from other victims
instead of going on a rampage lmao settle down
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I wondered if she had sought legal counsel esrlier because I could have sworn I saw her post about looking for it. Went back and did not find it though. I did find her comments on her ig posts about having it however in these shots. Good!
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Courtney might have known a lot more than she really want to say.
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Crop. Your. Fucking. Posts.
Annie mentioned Manson would try to discredit her anyway so I expect this more or less for all victims
. Easier to do on those who aren't well or at all known though.
I think the major players at Phoenix Act following her says a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if the dirt she has on him is actually massive. That one audio clip is 7 hours long. She has several apparently.
I'm surprised there isn't a whole website dedicated to how fake she is, courtesy of Brian of course.
I hope the mods keep record of IP addresses if any one of his victims
needs proof of slander from Brian.
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I'm glad Annie called him out in his 'BDSM' bullshit, as the sun released this yesterday
Comment was removed because I could comment on it. Lol that was either the saddest min effort attempt to discredit his victims
we’ve gotten from Brian so far or some deranged jelly bean.
This is why it sucks being a woman sometimes. I was raped twice. Both times I was dismissed in court because of the most minor inconsistencies as if I’m supposed to hold a notepad, write every detail down while getting raped.
Ppl are so gross.
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Meanwhile Leslee asks for money (in a not obvious way) for a lawyer kek
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OTEP has just tried to give weight to the abuse allegations against Marilyn Manson because he [drumroll] went to a non-goth dance club.
This is apparently proof he is putting on an act.
She's attempting to throw out the literal decades of evidence supporting Manson suffering from mental illness and drug induced afflictions.
The guy is fucked. But to dismiss evidence to try and push your flimsy conspiracy theory that he's actually a composed, calculated criminal is laughable while also destroying any credibly she may have had.
You don't need to lie to show Manson is a sick fuck. You lie when you have nothing to actually to prove your allegations with.
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There were some callous anons trying to make fun of Corey Feldman naming Manson.
Well look who's laughing now.
Manson rats are wrrrrrrong again
Fuck off with your kink shaming.
When the fuck did all these church moms learn how to use the internet?
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Any second now…
Ok Brian. >>1157861
Did they discover that the victims
spoke to each other before going public?! gasp
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LMAO. anon wasnt joking.
Maybe there is some truth to the crackpot theory that Annie is actual a secret agent of mansons. pretending to out him but releases material which doesn't show abuse, has him on record denying the allegations and provides dumps literally no one cares about and serves to only water down evans attention.
No we have this.
Who knows what's going on but this the best shitshow on
That doesn’t add up. There was some incriminating shit leaked in those recordings. And why would other victims
making allegations be following her?
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Not sure why anon deleted it
Statement from Charlyne Yi on Marilyn Mansons abuse.
This is why we must believe all women
article states the picture is from JJs book:
Jenna Jameson addressed Marilyn Manson’s obsession with Corey Feldman in her autobiography, “How To Make Love Like A Porn Star.” She stated the following.
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Bringing this thread back to ERW(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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>retards in feb 2021: Marilyn Manson is a literal nazi!
>Marilyn Manson in June 2020:
Here’s the previous paragraph with the first sentence from the posted image included:
"Oh my God, hi", I squeaked. He just stood there, staring right through me. It was a little creepy. Then he grabbed my hand and started walking around the party with me: Billy Corgan, Flea, Angus Young, Sting, Jon Bon Jovi, LL. Cool J, Rob Zombie, Joey Ramone - everyone I idolized was there. I was a little porn girl thrust into this world of rock superstardom. I was in heaven.
The first thing Manson asked me was how I draw my eyebrows on. He kept pumping me for makeup tips. “
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Because no one has heard of deflecting from their own public racism
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There's a time when privileged white people need to sit down and shut up. Hours after the death of one of the greatest black sport heros is one of them
Lol ok. So uses the n-word all the time, makes racist remarks to his Jewish gfs, sympathizes with Nazis and has literally swastika inspired tattoo on his body, but it means nothing because he once posted a BLM photo because literally every celeb was expected to do so in that time.
Will mods block this racebaiting dumbass already?
Wow kind of shocked Mansons attracting in proud boys now but then again, not shocked. Go be edgy somewhere else.
Oh and, Marilyn Manson doesn’t actually give a shit about any of you, especially not you Scrotemeal.
haha you are such a retard. I was a former fan and I am 100% behind Evan and everyone who got abused by him. I just hate people and how they manage to be retarded and hypocritical, no matter if right left black or white. Also, NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER, I bet you are a white girl who haven't met 1 black person in her whole life but acts like a moral institution. fuck off white slut
t. arabic girl.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
Yeah I have a feeling it might be that case. Or one 9f them because it sounded like there were several victims
there. Pretty gruesome
“ As Nicole entered the bus I and the rest of the group moved near the tour bus to wait for her. Okay. I watched as Nicole was invited to sit on his lap, Brian Warners. He kind of did the little pat patting his hand gesture and she’s and she’s a 14 year old girl with braces I may add. No, no cheat whatsoever and obviously a little girl, she is 14.
But, she liked him, thought he was cute so you know, she went along with this…..
So Nicole sat on his lap and I heard Brian Warner tell her that he liked the metal braces on her teeth and then instead of exiting the bus to rejoin us I heard Brian invite Nicole into the back of the bus with him. The rest of us were not invited.
The tours bus was closed, the doors immediately…. so the rest of us walked (?) just 10 to 15 feet away from the tour bus to wait for her to come back. We were in clear view of the bus the whole time but couldn’t see what was going on in there. The windows were either blacked out or the curtains were pulled or something.
And we were waiting and waiting and it was about 45 minutes to an hour and then Nicole finally came out and when she joined the group and we walked away from the tour bus.
As we walked away Nicole told us what was happening on the bus.
According to her, he was in the back of the bus, Brian Warner, and I think they were kissing and he actually took her hand and put it down the front of his pants to touch his genitalia and she told Brian Warner, “You’re Bad”, that’s what she told us at the time.
During a later conversation I had with her, she had actually told me that they had had sex.”
I can google translate Turkish too. This is not the thread for you we’re discussing MARILYN MANSON not the ways in which we’re racist idiots that are obviously dudes pretending to be girls to derail.
You might try 4chan for that.(infighting)
Hold the press! Rockstar has sex with fan
You retards are fucking pathetic
*With a 14 year old fan
Sorry bro but that’s ~illegal~
Hold the press! Rock star has sex with underaged fan.
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This thread is so polluted with newfags it’s insane. If you’re going to squeal like a pig about other anons in multiple posts at least contribute something to the actual topic. Half of you need to reread the rules >>1157903
“Eating mud” is probably a great way to describe making out with that dough-face
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MARILYN MANSON IS A HOMOPHOBE
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MARILYN MANSON IS A RACIST
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MARILYN MANSON IS ANTISEMETIC
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If the whole thing is supposed to be a conspiracy against MM, he's the only one benefiting from it so far, see cap
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MARILYN MANSON IS A SICK DEGENERATE
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MARILYN MANSON WANTS TO CORRUPT OUR YOUNG
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Lets talk about the fact that Mr. Perou is still selling his book with Manson, is following him on Instagram and has photos of him still up. Come on dude, seriously?
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MARILYN MANSON REMOVED A RIB TO SUCK HIS OWN PENIS
I only say this because hes been hinting at his downfall for like 2 years through instagram posts.
It's all too structured.
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MARILYN MANSON LIVES IN AN UNDERGROUND CAVE WITH SEX DUNGEONS
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MARILYN MANSON TOUCHES HIS FANS INAPPROPRIATELY
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MARILYN MANSON IS THE ANTICHRIST
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MARILYN MANSON DOESNT LET THE MENTALLY CHALLENGED TOUCH HIM(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
More likely he has been "hinting" it because his victims
have started to talk although not naming it yet.
Yeah it's more likely he knew it was coming because he knew what he has done and who was talking with who.
very very mad tinfoil, anon, kek.
Stop sperging about Annie. This has been discussed at length already…stop bringing her up and no one will talk about it. You're just giving her visibility all the while complaining she has visibility. It's honestly autistic at this stage. Move on.>>1158021
I think if you go back thread 3 or 4 there was a before after picture with her there if memory serves
lmfao you thought this was about actually trying to get justice?
Someone crying rape is like blood to sharks. Every cunt swarms in to make it about themself
does not detract other victims
statements when making statements of her own abuse.
All abuses should come to light and there is Plentiful room for all his victims
to now feel safe to speak. Safety in numbers. Comfort in the knowledge they are now being listened to.
she hasn't publicly come out yet. I imagine those photos are well hidden away.
I don't know why Manson doesn't use it to deflect and make the haters look like transphobes
you know what?
i have suspicions of some weird terrible thing they did together that forced them to get married and all after seeing the terrible music video "don't chase the dead" - if manson's music is indeed as much of a confession of his real life actions and secrets as it is turning out to be (Especially after golden age of grotesque), that video is giving me super shitty vibes, like they pushed each other's limit to see how far they could go, maybe even for each other. but i also don't wanna throw unnecessary conspiracies around. just have a hunch.
there are a lot more realistic and serious allegations to deal with before any random hunches though ofc.
They have known to have abused the victims
together. Isn't that bad enough?
What's strangest is they've been together almost 10 years, yet he keeps her hidden away as if she was just some hanger on.
Brian has always openly flaunted his girlfriends but with Lindsay it all becomes very hush. A lot of fans don't know her let alone know he's even married now.
I'm just wondering if she's actually talked to the other victims
before stirring the pot. Those recordings of him talking about ERW and their relationship could've been triggering
to hear? It couldve been something Evan didn't want out there? Same with Esme who hasn't even fully came out with her story publicly. Not to mention THE NATURE of her reaction in the video. She is agreeing with him in most of these recordings. Even if she did denounce her stance, wouldn't that be triggering
to hear if you were a victim
The Lana Del Rey stuff…I live LDR by the way. Like a lot. I know those texts just show who he is as a person but did she once consider the fact that maybe LDR didn't want to be dragged into this or hear about her body being talked about like that? After all, it has nothing to do with the allegations against him.
The recordings were fun to hear but no one NEEDS to prove anything when there's an entire investigation going on, WHEN he's found guilty that'll be all the proof the public needs.
That's bollocks. He only brought Lindsay back into the public eye when Evan got ready to push the Phoenix Act. And she began to speak out about it about a year before it got pushed through. I'm sure he got alerted that she and Esme got together and tried to go to the cops.
And he also did that photoshoot with Lindsay and Dita at some fashion show right after either Evan or Esme made a lot of noise with her testimony again. He also reached out to Rose McGowan at the time.
Its a common strategy for someone who had broken away from an abusive
You know they're coming for you with their lies and will distort every little thing so you try and clean house.
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We going after kiddie raper John 5?
she probably badgered him into it because the plan was to marry then for pr purpose but covid messed up the public wedding. They were def going to do a big public wedding after lockdown.>>1158069
yep every time something happened with evan he brought lindsay into the spotlight. Only reason he married lindsay was to show he's capable of a "stable" long term relationship, kej
I was thirteen when I was invited backstage at a Marilyn Manson concert. His handlers noticed me in the pit and asked me to leave my sister Sarah behind while the band was still playing, these men in suit asked me to just follow them. We walked through long corridors and they led me to his dressing room where I had to wait for quite a while I was told. The room was really cold and as I was dressed in my light metalhead gear, I felt so so cold. While waiting and being bored, I went through the furniture in the room. The room itself was beautiful and what you would expect from a guy like Marilyn Manson, it had this mysterious Twin Peak-esque mood with red clothes covering the wall and dim electric lights at different places in the room. I will not lie when I say it was quite exciting, I found a lot of his sketches in the drawer. It was probably something he drew in the bus during the day. But as I kept looking, I was shocked, I found a little box filled with Nazi memorabilia. My hands were trembling while holding these dreadful items, I couldn't believe what I saw. I know my grand-grandfather fled to America in order to escape the tyranic nazi regime before WWII and he often told me about what happened to his brothers. I was in shock, Marilyn Manson was an rotten anti-semite, something that goes against anything his public persona led me to believe. I took the small swastikas in my hands and with a closer look, I noticed white fingerprints on it, but couldn't figure out why. Then, all of a sudden, I started hearing the plastic sound of platform shoes hitting the concrete floor of the corridor outside. He already finished performing, I was so captivated in my thought that I did not realize the pounding of heavy metal music through the wall had stopped. In a hurry, I closed the box and bluntly shut the drawer. Too bluntly, unfortunately. As he opened the door, he saw me in a cloud of white dust. He had prepared his lines for the night under the mirror before going on stage! I felt at the same terrified and shameful because of my indiscretion. I betrayed my idol by going through his things and by the look in his eyes, I could see he was very mad. He grabbed the bottle of absynthe in the dresser near the door, took a few sips and broke the bottle on the floor. He yelled "What do you think you're doing girl? I could call the cops right now!" I replied "No, please, I didn't mean to intrude, I didn't mean to be nosy!" He was visibly very upset, even through his makeup, I could see that his face was turning deep red. He waited for a moment, and then finally said "Alright, alright, how old are you? … Hmm, no, it's better if you don't tell me anything." He walked into the room and sat on the chair. "Do you realize how much this blow cost me? Do you have the money on you to repay me?" I was shaking I didn't realize what I had just done, I destroyed his fix for the night and probably cost him a lot of money, a lot more than anything a teenager like me could earn in a several month working at the restaurant. "How do you think you can repay me? … Wait a minute… Did you GO THROUGH MY STUFF!!!?" He raised his hands and covered his face, I could see the embarassment, I could see the shame he felt. "This isn't me, OK? I'm not a fascist, this is just me collecting things, people collect stamps, I collect these things, there is nothing more to it." I shook my head, I tried to make him understand that it didn't matter to me, I wouldn't tell anyone. "Listen, I know you are probably attracted to me, a lot of my fans are, there's one way we can sort this problem." I felt some relief, but then I looked at this man dressed in old school suspenders, his make up smeared by sweat and an evening of rock'n'roll catharsis, and all of a sudden, I felt petrified "This isn't good" I thought "What is he going to ask me?" "I will need compensation and I need leverage, do you understand?" He said with his soft and deep voice. "Are you a virgin, darling?" I blushed. "I promise I will be kind to you, here, have a sip, it will make you feel more comfortable" He extended a bottle of Mansynthe to me, he had a whole stash under his chair. "Normally, you need to some preparation, but I'll forgive you this time if you consume it like a philistine" As I sip the bottle, I saw him open another drawer and take out small movie cameras. As he slowly set up the camera, he explained to me "Listen, I'm not a monster, I will not take your virginity from you." I acquiesced shyly. "Have you heard of sodomy? This is not what people think it means, sodomy is just any sexual act that is not procreative." I was stunned, no one ever spoke to me so crudely. "Sodomy is often practiced by faggots and straight couples when the woman is at her angriest, if you see what I mean." My entire body was shaking, I couldn't stand these homophobic and misogynistic remarks, even at this time, in the late 00s, young people of my generation were sensitive to these issues. As I raise my head, I felt another shock go through my entire body when I saw his face grinning, you know what grin I referring to. He was getting off of upsetting me. Suddenly, he started chuckling and while containing his laughter, he said "Hee hee, Imma do you in your BUNGHOLE! Hee hee, I'm gonna score tonight!" I couldn't believe it, this was so childish of him, how could have I been so wrong about him, all this time, I bought into his public persona, I read his lyrics, I studied his interview, I check every book and movie he mentionned, I tried to imagine what his intellectual and cultural life would look like, I imagined him being hungry for knowledge, I wanted to keep up with him, I dreamt of having deep conversation with him. But in the end, this is what I faced, a depraved clown. At that point, all attractions I could have had for him left me and I started to dread the few hours I was about to experience.
OK, here it is for tonight as you can see, this is going into a very dark place. Sorry if the writing is a little shaky, american isn't my native language.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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zombinatrix claiming she isn't throwing 5 under the bus. In the interview she says he didn't know the girl was 16 until after. After he found out, he said "you don't fuck like a 16 year old"
John 5 first story partial transcript:
“I went with my roommates girlfriend who was 16 to the show and afterward , because you know, because I had already met him before and talked to him before, uh, Brian that is, I just you know again, went right to the, around the tour bus and Brian was nowhere in sight but John 5 approached and was, you know flirting with us.
Now John 5, does not, or at least at the time, did not drink, did not smoke, did not do drugs. He was definitely older than us… Invited us back to his, I guess it was his hotel room. I don’t think it was his home. Invited me and a girl named Bree (sp?) who was 16 at the time. Never asked our ages, never asked our ages. To have a three-some with him and we did.“
Later after being told the girls age he responded with
“Ah, I didn’t know, 16 year old girls don’t fuck like that”
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So she’s saying she isn’t throwing John under the bus but he’s admitting to sleeping with a 16 year old girl.
You don’t get to pick and choose who you are disgusted by if you are making a point about men sleeping with underage girls.
Another partial transcript.
On Brian’s abuse:
“He doesn’t just do it to girls, as I said he was hurting Johnathan as well. So he was doing this to a lot of people. He is as abusive
and sadistic as he can be and he likes degrading people and he likes humiliating them and making them feel like they’re worthless.
That’s what he does. That’s what he gets off on. Because you know why? He’s a coward and he’s weak and he knows it. He’s an ugly person inside and out.”
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Was just gonna post that. Lol @ this
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Interesting bit right there. Confirms that a lot of people who cane forward won't release what they have because it might be part of a potential investigation
Can someone clarify the timeline? In 2011, he would have been dating Lindsay for 2 years, and he also was engaged to Evan in either 2009 or 2010? So what he just kept Esme in a cupboard the entire time and also fucked a bunch of women in his studio? WTF.
“ Bianco spent roughly two months living with Manson, drinking heavily to cope. She was often in a dissociative state, “hovering above life like I was looking at it through a net curtain,” she says, raising her hands in front of her face. Once, she remembers, he repeatedly cut her torso with a knife. “I just remember laying there, and I didn’t fight it,” she says. “It was kind of this final-straw moment where I had lost all sense of hope and safety.” He sent a photo of her cuts to Walters and one of his bandmates at the time, with the subject line “See what happens?”
Bianco says she was terrified and like a lot of domestic-violence survivors, she might have developed a kind of Stockholm syndrome that warped her reality. She recently found a text message she had sent to Manson about her cuts and bruises. “Everytime I move they hurt so good thinking of you,” it reads. “Now, when I think about that, I’m so ashamed,” she says. “I was desperately trying to please him and to keep myself out of trouble.”
Let’s hope those emails and photos still exist.
She has. Illma Gore followed her first. She only cut Manson out last month. She already named him her abuser which…implies abuse. She has every right to speak as the other victims
. Abuse is abuse. If it’s only been a month, it’s probably still insanely tough to process whatever happened.
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>creepy satanist does creepy shit
wow, who could have seen that one coming?(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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So not all fake violence then…bloody fucking hell
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Well the journalist have seen them so apparently yes. See >>1158229
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Ellen Von Unwerth stands up for her boy Bri
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Hopefully they do not allow the predator Brian Warner the same fate as Jimmy Savile. To escape justice in death or worse in obscurity unscathed legally in drunken stupor with a I Got Away With It grin.
Are you claiming Manson’s an abuser because he’s a Satanist? Fuck off.
Manson is not associated with the CoS. He’s an abuser because he’s sociopath.
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Marilyn Manson raped me at a concert in 2002!!!!
“ Once, she remembers, he repeatedly cut her torso with a knife. “I just remember laying there, and I didn’t fight it,” she says. “It was kind of this final-straw moment where I had lost all sense of hope and safety.” He sent a photo of her cuts to Walters and one of his bandmates at the time, with the subject line “See what happens?”
Sounds like real nice and consensual play between loving adults. /s
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>"Cancelled? That's funny I don't… FEEL cancelled."
Clearly the mob has failed. More people are listening to him now than they had in years. Also trying to cancel a guy for things he's been loud and out about for decades now is just retarded.
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Kek at the MM fuckboys still trying so hard to derail the thread everytime more details of the cow come up.
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Manson's bedroom (house he had with Dita) - he'd broken up with Dita and was dating Evan - Prayer kneeler is against the wall that Esme talks about in her interview
wow this is human trafficking
And also "the actress has been interviewed by the FBI and gave agents evidence that could potentially be related to human trafficking and sex crimes. (An FBI spokesperson told me that, “We never confirm or deny investigations.”) Ellwanger is also looking at the case through a trafficking lens, since he says Manson had paid for her ticket to L.A. under the guise of shooting a music video." Get him!
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Manson was living here during 2010/2011
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There were witnesses of these attacks which somehow is reassuring
A fucking axe though
Your boy Manson is already done. No record label, no manager, no talent agency.
Whiteness and evidence. Keep crying though.
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Well…MM is toast.
Anons here know A LOT about him and we are pretty much educated about how abuse starts and continues but a regular person who's gonna click on the headline will most likely think it was kinda consensual. I'll tell you how random people will read it:
>He explained that it would be shot on a flip camera for a home-video feel and would involve Manson “kidnapping” Bianco in his home. “I need to have a victim/lover,” he wrote in an email. Bianco believed that the job would be strictly professional. “You are gonna have to pretend to like being manhandled by me. Sorry,” Manson emailed her a few days before the shoot. Once she arrived, she says, the line between art and reality immediately blurred.
He told her what he wanted to do to her and she came to his house voluntary.
>Bianco was terrified but tried to calm down by telling herself, It’s just Manson being theatrical. We are going to make great art.
They'll say She didn't object him at all. She didn't let him know that she didn't want that.
>She felt sad to leave Manson and considered her wounds to be proof of their bond.
Nuff said here. Many people will just ignore the line "On some level, she knew what had happened wasn’t BDSM; she says they hadn’t discussed consent or safe words, which she knew from both personal experience and the fetish performers in her circle were crucial for safe power dynamics."
>Bianco told her matter-of-factly about the cuts and bruises as if they were “just part of the biz.”
>Manson would visit her on his trips to London and arrange for her to travel and stay at hotels in L.A. (“Get your lingerie and heels ready,” he wrote in one email.)
They will say smth like that shit was regular and she never declined to meet him again. I assume many people will also blame her for cheating on her husband.
>To help with the immigration paperwork, his team gave her a written agreement saying she would star as a nurse in his “forthcoming feature film,” Phantasmagoria, with rehearsals starting in mid-July.
His retarded fans already say the victims
use and used him to benefit their career. There it's written he promised to help her with visa and star her in his movie.
His assistant says in the beginning of the article : " “I was basically giving him a schedule of who’s at what hotel,” says Walters, who recently alleged that she too was a victim
of Manson’s. “I didn’t know how far the violence was going at the time."
In the middle of the article: "The former assistant adds that the singer’s room contained a closet-size glass-walled space he called the “bad girl’s room that Manson could lock from the outside."
Ppl will assume she knew. How is that possible she knew about the room, probably saw their scars (bc she arranged the meetings and probably drove them back to hotels from his house).
>She recently found a text message she had sent to Manson about her cuts and bruises. “Everytime I move they hurt so good thinking of you,” it reads. “Now, when I think about that, I’m so ashamed,” she says. “I was desperately trying to please him and to keep myself out of trouble.”
Many people will read it like "she liked it back then, probably enabled him and NOW, ten years later, she thinks it was not okay"
>she might have developed a kind of Stockholm syndrome that warped her reality.
Might have developed?
A kind of?
She's been diagnosed with PTSD. If she's been to psychiatrist, they would have diagnosed her with SS too. The wording is terrible.
The article is a lot of milk for anons but it's a huge failure if they wanted make sure regular people understand it was not consensual and it was abuse.
The journalist is a moron who doesn't know how to deliver information properly.
It's good to know they are at work.>>1158291
sorry for typos if any. dialing long texts is not my fav thing.
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"I need to have a victim
Should be his new pick up line.
In the biography he brags about a woman who "wanted" to get beat backstage and in fact I should say women because there are so many stories throughout about him and/or band, roadies, management assaulting these willing victims
I honestly am beginning to feel like his biography is one big tell all from his perspective so he can have the upper hand against his victims
and claim they wanted it.
The video is likely theatrical but a telling tale of past experiences punching out women for fun.
>>1158312>control every aspect of her life
That’s a common theme many victims
have stated. Groomed her into thinking he’s a nice guy before turning psycho and cutting them off from friends and family. When she moved into his apartment she didn’t know the extent of his behavior before it was too late.
Kek at MM fuckboys losing their shit. If you're the best defense he's got, your rapist idol is toast.
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.
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Mansinthe still on sale on the distillery site.
Any Germans able to write to the distillery to make sure they are aware of all the allegations and links to these threads.
Brian Warner can no longer be supported and enabled.
Everytime MM's victims
release more info, MM fans lose their shit and lash out. It's a cycle.
Nah, every time MM's "victims
" say something that doesn't compare in the slightest to actual rape and abuse and it still gets held to the same standard is just fucking insulting.
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Poor Linds thought her and Hamson were Dali and Gala. More like Fred and Rosemary kek
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Manson's ex bassist supports Esme
And they think derailing a lolcow thread is going to save him. FB shut down the main fan group MMC and the Manson Reddit is more supportive of victims
now. They bring their tinfoil here because they’re running out of options.
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Holy shit Christiane Amanpour interviewing Phoebe Bridgers about Manson and the industry as a whole. This is going to start a huge, long overdue change in the music industry.
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There was a witness.
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The irony is if you side with these woman and their inability to take responsibility for themselves, you literally do more damage to female empowerment than marilyn manson ever did(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
When has Manson taken responsibility for himself? His wife attempted to blackmail Evan.
12+ women spoke out, witnesses spoke out, ex band member spoke out. There’s an active FBI investigation due to evidence
and you’re still in denial. There’s video proof he’s racist and texts of fat shaming women.
Yet you still support him.
His record label also has Iggy Pop on its roster. The man who fucked Sable Starr when she was a child.
Manson wasn't dropped because they object to his sexual abuse. He was dropped because that's the chic thing to do now.
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Context is Annie’s new post sharing current contact with Manson - plus honorary mention of Lolcow. Kek.
Lmaooooooooooooo he’s so paranoid about this place and it’s giving me life.
You’re wrong Brian. No ones hating on this girl apart from your pretend anons here. Get a life.
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Worth pointing out that she can’t with certainty confirm it’s him in the last two. But it sounded enough like him that she went ahead and posted it which I doubt she would do considering the legal tiptoeing happening rn.
No doubt his record label already knew about the abuse and it’s disgusting it took these many allegations to drop him.
No record label will touch him again though. Not with this tainting him. His record sales have dropped since Born Villain.
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Another report from a different state.
This is going to be an interesting fallout.
Manson or his people come here to shit on victims
. They did it to Evan, Louise and others, now they're focusing on Annie. Seems they're trying and failing to discredit and start hate campaigns.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO SNOW I am LIVING for this lmfao
I like that Annie is slowly dragging him and exposing more and more. I see her game. I doubt she'll drop anything massive on there because her bio now mentions Phoenix Act so that's pretty much confirmation right there that they're all banding together. She'll probably use whatever big thing she has as evidence.
Something I’ve noticed with these trolls - Judd and this one >>1158451
is they easily evade ban. Meaning they’re able to quickly change their IP address. That’s next level.
I'm sure in Brian's mind, we're "secretely" fan girls who hate any woman that got close to him and only pretend we hate him because he sleeps around. His logic is never sound. He speaks like a butthurt teenager who was ghosted at the prom.
I wonder what would even make him think we'd hate on these victims
or Annie in this case specifically. I hope she knows that what he's saying isn't true. He's such a sleeze.
You're assume someone like manson has functional critical thinking, which he has been proven to totally lack. I think it's him, that way it is written is not how someone would write to really "trigger
Same although the first email sounds like Lindsay to me.
Also I think it’s interesting he hasn’t said anything to defend Lindsay and obviously hasn’t allowed her to make a statement. Her name is now in the news and not even a ‘don’t drag my wife into this’ from him? Just a ‘hey I kinda didn’t do it’ and then mums the word on everything else? He never supported her, I guess it’s not surprising he’s still not.
If someone on 4chan is using a VPN to impersonate Manson just to fuck with victims
they’re should he held responsible. They’re certainly not helping his case.
I haven't seen any 4chan comments claim to be harnessing any victims
directly. Just to come and spam this board to piss us off. But who knows what other chans are doing
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And this is why you want to remember to crop your pp out, anons…
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Another representative calling for investigation
I don’t see anyone claiming to spam lolcow, more like ripping this thread. The support for Manson/victims
Why don't anons actually ignore and report instead of directly engaging with bait?
This isn't a safe space or a hugbox.
Yeah this is now building into a cross-state investigation.
MM trolls or 4chan/incel trolls or whatever can lose their shit all they want. This rapist is going to have to face an investigation.
And not just him.
Witness, evidence, fbi involved, testimony given etc.
Some of these trolls are gonna have a hard time dealing with reality in the coming months, kek.
I don’t buy it’s 4chan. Annie posts proof that Manson lurks here and suddenly there’s a an excuse it’s not him trolling? The 4chan thread only shows people mocking lolcow.
I don’t trust that shitbag at all.
The idea manson may be posting here to defend himself is so hilarious.
But go look at the mm subreddit. There's a ton of lunatics defending him while also accusing victims
of lying. They can't all be manson. People really are this stupid
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I don't even know why I'm surprised that she would ask fans to repost that article (the one where Cage confirms their marriage). I thought she was pretending to be classy now?
You have no proof it’s not him and his victims
have reason to think he is.
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Annie has had to endure hours of listening to rambling, psychotic ego tripping, I trust she's got a good idea of where the ham is at…
No one knows where Lindsay is though and further down the comments Annie mentions once again she is NEVER around.
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Lol maybe we can all be more kind brb I have to try and get incriminating photos of my man’s ex
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Yes my favorite part of Annie’s posts are the comments where a lot of the real tea is
>>1158647>M is bad PR for Johnny…let that sink in
Johnny boy ghosting MM kek.
Top kek Annie.
Lindsay and MM marriage sounds totally bogus and sketchy.
Annie gets an email she suspects is Manson with “even snow is laughing at you” and LKB accused Judd of posting here.
There’s no proof either way unless the FBI investigation comes to a conclusion about the online harassment.
Judd is?/was an assistant of Manson. LKB : louise kay belle, another victim
of Manson's abuse.
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This felt like a gut punch. Ow.
Comments can be hurtful; not "abusive
If this space is too much for you then don't use it. This is literally the most toxic
board in existence. Nobody is forcing you to use it but yourself.
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It’s interesting the nods Evan is giving to Annie. Right after Annie made her original statement (ok 8 hours after) Evan posted about being called a Jew in a derogatory manner. In Annie’s statement hours before she said how Manson called her a fake Jew.
Then Evan linked to the body shaming article in her stories. Most of the article is linked to Annie’s insta.
Then Annie posted iirc about that song from that album and Evan is now posting about it.
There were a few more This week that I can’t remember but Annie, Evan and Esme have some damning evidence.
Illma, Linda, Mansonisabusive and Kelly Blaus follow and like her stuff. Kelly has been tweeting her statements too.
Whatever she has is good I think. The new pic she posted though is Heart breaking. I hope Brian just doesn’t even try cos he can’t. This is one army he won’t beat. He got away with it for long time.
Rock One magazine that quote is from with Manson on the coverhttps://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/offer/buy/403853349/magazine-rock-one-55-juin-2009.html
i can't screenshot it, sorry guys(Imageboard)
A few days ago, Annie was tagging ERW and others into her posts.
Today Annie gas updated the Phoenix Act link to her profile.
Looks like there's some collaboration going on behind the scenes
Agree, Killstar dropped him.
The distillery is absinthe.de
Speaking up against any of the victims
right now would be an incredibly dumb move. And what he said in a text to Annie about the subpoena, he can’t be that dumb. It’s an empty threat. And if it isn’t, then I feel even more shame to have been a fan of someone that stupid than I did before. I’m the lawyer anon from somewhere above. His best bet is laying low, listening, not being a brat about this and allowing room for things to settle down on every side.
When (I’m skipping the “if”) he does go to court, he can provide his own evidence but his best bet is pleading guilty at this point. Especially because he’s now known as the guy who blackmails people as well as frames and fabricates what he would call evidence.
In other words, he’s royally screwed. FBI, human/sex trafficking, over a dozen rape and abuse accusations, sexual assault of minors and who knows what else. If he goes to jail for any of these, it’ll be a long sentence.
The crazy thing is that the “regular” rape accusations have become the least of his worries. If the trafficking and minor accusations are proven to be true, he can kiss his entire existence goodbye. All these things have surpassed the rumors stage and now carry a good amount of legitimacy.
I don’t give up on many cases, but I’d have walked away from this one by now. Then again, it’s Manson. If his lawyers are as bad as his former reps who wrote that metal hammer statement, I’ll laugh my ass off, call in sick and stay for the tea. This will be a train wreck.
What do you mean?
Multiple ex partners have come out and said they've never seen him do the things ERW claims.
Why would he give support for ERW if she's lying?
No she did mention rape.
From memory "waking up to the man that claim to love me raping what he believed to be my unconscious body".
It's in her testimony for the Phienix act.
Because at this stage she did not name him as his abuser. He was asked in several interview if he supported her, and he could not even be supportive. Same with McGowan. He wasn't even the perpetrator here and he still could not show support for his ex wife. Wtf dude.
And no, Evan not lying.
I hadn't listened to her phoenix statement
The max frost thing cracks me up. When Annie mentioned that I think in her original post, someone else commented at the time saying she had him in her phone under the same name or there was an email with that name. Something like that. He’s such a cliche. Reminds me of my ex. Same old stories rinse and repeat. Bet he makes them sound fresh to his next victim
all over just like how I observed my ex doing with this girl at my brothers wedding.
Brian is the type who would for sure be an incel if he wasn’t a rockstar. He loves to come off as super SMRT but you don’t have to dig deep to see how hollow his actual intelligence is. Eugh ok he’s a lot like my ex. Charming, smart on the surface, funny at first but once your sucked in………………(blogging)
My ex was also a (diagnosed) narcissist, quite a hell ride. I remember some things that we all need to look out for and that had consistently found on MM stories:
(i) They talk trash about their exes -in order to make you believe you are so different, though.
(ii) Lovebomning; texts all day, small gifts, even money if they can afford to -this is not normal if you just met, just finish the fairytale.
(iii) Small-steps toward progressive control; dominating the whole conversation, choosing what to do, what to watch, eventually what you read and how you should talk -to the people claiming victims
should have left sooner, they really have an art for pushing boundaries.
(iv) Triangulation; either with other women or past relationships.
(v) Anger issues; to the point it's just best to let them get what they want -from money to sex.
This is the first time I post by the way, but have been reading this whole thread since ERW named MM as her abuser. Couldn't say it was a surprise, but did make me think a lot about the way culture is changing.
Anyway I am rambling! Sorry.(armchair / blog)
Anon was talking about before anyone named Manson or accused him. Learn to read.
Also learn to sage.
Exactly, thank you.>>1158835
AYRT. Reading is not your strong suit, anon. Sage your shit.
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Oh look. Retard meme-anon is back.
Welp you all, case closed, MM can walk free. They have memes. Game over.
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@mansonisabusive have just dropped perhaps the most incriminating evidence yet.
Marilyn Manson is attracted to pale women with black hair and red lips.
So, he's basically saying he doesn't like woc
, confirms he's a racist. Not cool, not cool.(racebait)
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that's the majority of posts here >>1158685
no, it's just the board trying hardest to be toxic >>1158932
Again, it's a fan. Nobody knows what he's doing right now, probably talking to lawyers rather than spending time on reddit.
This is either Brian or a copycat. Read through the post history. DPDR, Crack, Nazism and a post that’s willfully ignorant defending Brian.
Obviously this could be some edgy wannabe but the idea of Brian sitting in a drugged mess in the morning writing posts about himself on Reddit is top kek
Reposted with cleaner link.
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What a big loss for WOC
, lmao. >This dick is for white women only xoxo
Like…stop already, this is cringe. We already know he's racist. Him not taking advantage of any women or girls that aren't white (that we know of, at least) isn't exactly a smoking gun.
He has definitely fucked girls who aren't white lol. Stop being so delusional.>>1158937
You should continue looking for more of his simps to claim as his sockpuppets, maybe it'll get you somewhere.
I would rather not rent this appartment to a black man, this is not racism, just my preference for tenants, do you see were I'm going with that?
Some black men are really beautiful, you shouldn't be so quick in avoiding them. But maybe it's better for them after all… Your loss…(no1curr)
The way you say “definitely” suggests you have intimate knowledge.
Simps suggests you are aware this is not someone close to or by Brian himself. Only Brian or someone close to him would be aware of this.
So we have two possibilities:
1)You are a close friend of Brian and attempting to deflect and spread misinformation/ memes through this series of threads to muddy the waters as much as possible
2)You are the exact same Simp you were referring to.
People like you are doing a very good job at making people discredit him being abusive
. Go away from the computer for a minute then reread the mental retardation you typed.
I see we got another racist over here. Jesus, I didn't expect that.
"I think You're face is ugly because you're black", yeah, I don't see where's the problem… Do you think it takes more than that for "actual" racist to discriminate?
And it had nothing to do with appartment, don't play dumb, I'm talking about your relationship with the tenant obviously…
“People like you are doing a very good job at making people discredit him being abusive
The evidence is proving him guilty, not anyone else.
You, along with all his other minions will say anything to deflect. Read these threads, again and again Brian’s fans attempt to turn the conversation back on the victims
or anons themselves who speak against Brian.
Mental illness, Weight, Nobodies: All typical Brian camp retaliations.
Apologies for the multiple posting. There were a couple of errors. Last time.
I already explained in a previous post taht this is not what I meant. Sorry to tell you taht, but you exhibit latent racism.
Listen, my bf is black, and I'm really feeling uncomfortable knowing I spent some time around guys. I don't think I like this discussion.
Tell me frankly, how would you feel if you're biological child was mixed? I know a lot of women who would refuse it and to me, it's the ultimate racist test. If you can't accept chocolate kids, you're a racist, period. No matter what you say.(ban evasion to continue to sperg about black dick)
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No one cares about your bbc fetish. Please stop posting.
I'm gonna get banned for this but I agree with you 100%. I just want the tea about Hamson and follow the conversation, but this site is so full off bigotry it makes me cringe. If you base your site on using "autistic" etc as a slur you are just another neck beard site like 4chan. Like you roasting Ham for being a racist, abusive
misogynist, but still don't moderate the same shit here?(no1curr, mods still think your posts are autistic.)
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go back to tumblr you autistic imbecile
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Can someone write an employee handbook for rockstars already?
I doubt when they were given all the money, power, sex and drugs and offered to fly women in they ever thought it would be a human trafficking charge.
Ms downfall might actually wake these dick fucks up.
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Sounds like it fits the bill with Esme
>flown under a pretext for exploitation (labour and commercial sex acts)>sexually abused on set >video never saw the light of day
See caps for more details. Fits the bill it seems.
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It certainly is a reach but these dicks need a wake up call.
What idiot subjects a young woman to "BDSM" play without negotiating the scene? Oh wait….every dumbass with small dick syndrome who learned what sex was via Pornhub.
Taken from The Cut article.
Yeah I agree on all point anon. Kind of a stretch but might be part of a bigger case with younger fans allegedly flown "for entertainment purpose" as seen in previous thread. Probably the part that has triggered
lawmakers to request an investigation with the FBI
Those are my same thoughts. From what I understand about human trafficking… it’s being “forced” against your will.
But what’s very unsettling about all of this is that that some of these allegations are being made -also include “minors”. How were they “flying” in “minors”?
Isn’t it ironic that that’s what they accused Charles Manson of as well…
Not saying he’s not sus as fuck but he rides the line of culpability oddly well
You forgot they had romantic relationship and they moved in. The line is blurred.
>but the “we were under a spell” explanation for why all of this was allowed to happen since the late 90s - including staff who previously enabled his behaviour - doesn’t always hold water.
I second that. Like many anons believe Ashley Walters is his victim
and it somehow absolves her from being his enabler him and from.. hm.. should I say trafficking women(?). Okay, she is a victim
but she should be held accountable too, just like all his team, his PAs, his management.
They're finding them because now that it is all coming out everyone who had an "experience" with M is coming forward. No doubt some of these people were minors that got a relationship of some sort started with him. Probably online? Annie has mentioned he spend A LOT of time on the internet.
I don't think it is any kind of organized sex trafficking. Probably just him being manipulative and playing into the fantasies of young teen fans, then acting on it with all his rockstar powers.
Evan and Esmé weren't trafficked. He didn't buy them or force them to fly to LA. They agreed
to meet him and move in with him.
Read the definition of human trafficking posted here : >>1158992
She wasn't "invited to a friend's home". She was flown under false promises, put into a situation that was violent/BDSM and akin to sexual exploitation without consent, for a video that was never going to be really used for any purpose.
The fact she was heard by the FBI is telling. Her case might be heard as part of a larger one pertaining to (potentially underage) fans that were flown for "entertainment purpose" by MM management as seen in lawmakers letters to FBI.
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>>1159061>for a video that was never going to be really used for any purpose.
How do we know that? A lot of videos never see the light bc their creators decide not to release. It will be hard to prove.
I want hear Kelly Polk. The actress whom he cast in IWtKYLTDiTM.
Couldn’t he just release the video now?
It sounds like they made some BDSM “art film” and then I dunno what happened to the IWTKYLTDITM video, another girl was cast?
It's strange that the video with Kelly Polk is like a copy of that with ERW, camera angles for example.
If Illma sent emails to many women he's ‘dated’, what are the chances she tried contacting Kelly?
Born Villain deluxe edition my ass.
Jeordie has been Manson's friend for years, they were very close in the nineties, anons posted he was abusive
to fangirls and Laney. It's extremely hypocritical of Fred to stay friends with Jeordie while calling out Manson.
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Well more details emerge from Esme testimony here that clarifies some of the questions.
By the sound of it she alleges she was supposed to be at a hotel but instead was locked up with Manson for 3 days at his home, and that she realised there would be no professional crew filming but instead some cameras that he had setup. Apparently she received messages from him while there about his fantasy of raping her, and engaged in violence that was not agreed upon prior to this.
She again states she gave evidence if all that to the FBI (hard evidence from what she says, not just a statement).
More here : https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/marilyn-manson-accuser-esme-bianco-speaks-alleged-abuse/story?id=75778686
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Hot Topic stores dropped Manson.
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A bit more on the human trafficking part from the same article
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She has footage from his house(?). See her highlight named MM. She posted it a week ago but it wasn't posted here.
>Sent from I bone
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This random girl has proof she actually met him and his orbiters follow her but not Madelyn. KEK.
I wonder how many more women he's had.
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Evidence given to the FBI, from the same article. Correction, I said "hard evidence" in the first cap put nothing specific is mentioned in this article.
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2019? Was Lindsay already around?
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Some pics are disturbing though. Look at the hashtags.
Same anon. Not sure I agree that Ashley should be held accountable however, there needs to be a bit less revisionism going on, particularly from Ashley, Lainey, Torii. In simple terms, throwing stones etc in the name of one progressing their own career/social status at the time.
One of the most resounding impressions about all of this, is that Manson, who, until I grew up, was a symbol of creative expression and intelligent thought for me, comes across more Kid Rock than Kierkegaard in style and substance. He’s a frat boy.
He may have done it himself but I wouldn’t be surprised if Alan was asked/told to take the forum down, as a number of posts contained incriminating evidence (re-posted from here), with several of them critical of MM (minus his sycophants). Around 2009 when the Heirophant became too critical for gossipy reasons about him being shitty, started turning against him for being a clown, and made ‘libellous’ tags about his drug use (and shitty jokes about shooting him, which gave an easy excuse), the word going around was he came down on Alex hard and had the site ripped down (among other details), which ended up spawning PM and Babalon. I remember MM using Kushner to threaten legal action against fans and ‘not provoke him further’ or some garbage.
Now that those sad idiots lost one of their direct echo chambers, this is the best place for them to white knight a drug-addled, washed up serial abuser.
Beat-downs, bruises and a broken heart
As for why she still wants to stand up for him, she would have to explain that.
Ayrt. Unless Jeordie isn’t abusive
or a shit person…how about that, eh?
He didn’t treat Lainey badly. She said so herself. One fan girl has accused him of stuff. And then there’s Jessicka…don’t even go there. It’s obvious that Jeordie was thrown under the bus in 2017 to take the heat off Manson. Jessicka felt vindicated about her rape allegations (which she suddenly remembered after having physical therapy on her elbow) because Manson booted him out of the band, not realising that was never about believing Jessicka’s bull shit, but keeping the wolves from his door. And that, anon, is a fact.
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Has Gingers latest instagram post been discussed here? Thoughts?
Jeordie was touring with Manson when Manson supposedly locked Laney in his room and made her watch that stupid TV show. Was he okay with his wife being treated like that? Laney used to post that ‘he couldn't handle mental illnesses he gave her’, they also had a daddy-baby relationship, Jeordie was making out with fangirls and made Laney watch them even though she didn't like that, you can check old threads for more.
He was THE CLOSEST Manson's friend for a very long period of time. There were caps saying he and Manson ridiculed fangirls a lot in the good old times. Idk why you defend him.
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Is her love of nazi symbols coming straight from her master?
Also kek at that line, is that a backhanded remark at a certain Lindsay or a plain awful veiled attack at some of MM victims
:>I always paid my bills, because I was never looking for a sugar daddy>I was never offered to be featured in show-business/modelling
Not sure what this person hopes to achieve. If that's the best defense MM team has, big fucking whoop, he's toast…
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Because things are often more complex than they appear. Take Olivia Jaffe, for example. Friends with Lindsay, and has many mutuals who have liked this post (picrel) yet still follow Manson.
Did we already notice how Judd has unfollowed Manson and deleted any photos with him?
These girls are so dumb. Posting about their experiences that are obviously much less serious than those who’ve come forward for one, and two making it so obvious he’s been seeing other woman the WHOLE time he’s been with Lindsay. This person was posting about him up until 2019 at the same time M was posting about Lindsay more which makes their relationship look either: fake or: abusive
. Congrats on helping your “friend”!
It’s as if they are speaking of a dog that mauled someone. Their response is usually something along the lines of
“I saw that dog in his yard and he was rolling in the dirt. There’s no way he could bite.”
Or the dreadfully ignorant
“It was a dog, what did you expect?”
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I see his stans are back in full force. In other news, Annie has shared two new recordings where Manson brags about cyber stalking. I’d link but I always get in trouble for linking. It’s the latest post. I like that Esme gave her a shoutout earlier too.
Annie dropping the goods again!
He sounds like trash.
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Could native speakers write a summary of what he says? Please!>>1159417
Do you use a vpn? I do and I have issues when I try to visit the thread via direct link, you should try accessing the page via the previous thread, it works for me.
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I noticed Annie called her a psycho a few times. She acknowledged that she could be a victim
but then mentioned that women can be psychos too and that Manson found his match lol so I feel like at least Annie and Evan would agree that Lindsay is fucked. He could abuse her but she could also be as evil in her own way.
I'm a victim
of abuse too and think that all these women deserve justice and Manson needs to go to jail imo but I don't want to label Lindsay a victim
just cause the others are. She's not a good person imo and I'd like someone to change my mind on this but I don't even see how. She's so uninspired and dull. Apart from her too photoshoped pics, she looks nothing like in her insta photos irl. She looks haggard in all the public event pics and older than her age. I dont see how they could be together for real. I feel like its a facade.
And tbh even Annie's last post is more entertaining than anything lindsay has ever posted. Not that we should talk about either but lindsay bores me to death and out of all the women manson's been with, I find it sus as hell that lindsay is the one unless there's a weird maybe illegal motive behind it. Now THAT is the tea I would like to have served here staaaaat
This shit right here is so fucking sad and insulting.
How are there no other women on this board that cringe at how fucking mindless this makes us seem? She's 26 yet she is making it sound like she was devoid of all agency and sense of self.
She was a grown ass women that chose to leave her husband. It is nobody's fault but her own. This language makes me want to puke. "Transported", "harbored", "coerced"?
Insulting. Her own actions do not give her the right to compare herself to real victims
of human trafficking and sex crimes. She was not "transported", she left her husband and flew to the US, got into some freaky shit with (shocking) Marilyn Manson, and chose not to leave. The initial claims are losing more credibility every day, because of shit like this.(bait)
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A video that's absolutely not cut in parts to fit a narrative that suits you anon. Absolutely no intellectual dishonesty here, kek.>>1159737
Research freeze response in rape.>>1159729
Are you still sperging about that?
ERW alleges he raped her unconscious body. Is that good enough, or is that not "real" rape? Does she lose credibility because it's not as bad as "real" rape victims
She means she was sleeping doesn't she.
Having sex with your partner while they sleep is of course rape unless
this has been preestablished as something you both enjoy.
Without knowing this context her statement is worthless
why would you assume that she had given consent prior lmfao, what a reach. >Without knowing this context her statement is worthless
What context do you want? A recording where she explicitly tells Manson that he can't have sex with her unconscious body?
Well no bad intent here. Esmes video just didn't seem to help the cause sorry. It's not justifying abuse or blong victims
to ask if they said No to his face at any point
>>1159753>What context do you want?
Just a statement. Was it mutually established behaivour at the time which she now retrospectively retracted her consent?
I'm an adult in a long term relationship. My SO(f) will sometimes be sexual to me while I sleep or to wake me up. Its not rape if you're attuned with one another.
This context is integral to determining if her claim has any merit.
I'm 100% with her if she's being truthful. But she has a history of retracting past comments. She hasn't earnt the right to be trusted without evidence to support her claims.
>Was it mutually established behaivour at the time which she now retrospectively retracted her consent?
That's not how rape is defined in CA law, it has to be positive cooperation in the act.
Do yourself a favor and read up on consent laws in your state, then maybe you won't be so concerned with being wrongfully accused one day.
PFFT ok. Consent is never "implied" though, its either discussed prior to the act in question or the act in question is not consensual
, period. Being in a relationship with someone doesn't give you authority over their
body and boundaries unless
they say otherwise. You ask first or it is rape, that is the only way to keep the feeble male brain from spinning itself retarded trying to think of loopholes to get weird sex from women without having to ask permission.
That's not how consent works. You need explicit permission to
do the thing. Doing the thing without
permission is rape by definition. What's this logic you're trying to push, that if a man is trying to perform a sex act on a woman she hasn't alredy agreed to, she can say "stop" and the man will simply stop? Then why is rape a thing to begin with, nonny
I'm not trying to be controversial.
You say consent can never be implied. You saying my girlfriend is raping me when I wake up to her touching my cock? Honestly.
I never said "never", but no. Apples =/= Oranges, having a penis thrust into you while sleeping isn't near the same as a woman teasing a man's penis with her hand/mouth. One is rape, one is groping.
Stop trying to push "implied consent" as a thing, it is not. "Implied consent" is just a rapist's excuse for taking advantage of the trust of their partner bc they want the pusspuss without the risk of being told "no".
Why, literally, is it so hard to just ask? Asking your partner what they'd like you to do to them can be foreplay in itself- unless all you are is a selfish, spoiled baby and the chance of being told not to do something you want to a woman short circuits you.
I was being facetious. How pathetic would I be to take my girlfriend to the police.
If we break up, in 5 years time I'll instead come to a sudden realizisation I was actually raped all those years ago.
I'll look forward support in the coming years :)
Manson's Milkmas is the gift that won't stop giving any time soon, so I'm here living for it. Young people can multitask and read/type/think faster than 50-somethings anyway so it really does not
take all the time & effort cows and flakes like to pretend posting here does. I can literally do this anywhere, anytime, without missing out or losing money. It's a gas!
I'm not marilyn manson so I'm not sure why you deflected to him, unless it was as a transparent acknowledgement you have nothing to refute my argument.
According to this board, because my girlfriend has 'surprised' me with a blowjob while I've slept (I have NEVER said I would like this) I am a helpless victim
. UNLESS you know the context that I actually don't mind it.
All I've said is I want to know ERWs context before deciding on culpability. Is this too much for your smoothbrain?
This is so problematic
. Sexual abuse is abuse. There are no caveats. Full stop.
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Is it the same table?(emoji)
I totally agree with you, if you're in loving relationship like evan described it at the time, there shouldn't be any problem with naughty wakeups.
Sometimes, myself, I surprise my black boyfriend with "good morning" blowjob (if you see what I mean) and he's fine with it, never called me a rapist lol
Like if he pumped me 2 or 3 times, I would wake up and tell him to stop if there's a problem (if he doesn't stop it's indeed rape, but did she do it?)(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
how do you know there wasn't consent between them about it? do you know how long the rubbing last? what if it was just a 5 seconds penetration and she told him to fuck off immediately and he stopped and said sorry?
lot of the stuff I see described in these allegation are pretty normal couple behavior, I bite and touch my ebony guy all the time, he's kinda annoyed by it, but it's ok, it's just me, his baby
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There is nothing to indicate ERW is lying. Only a misogynist and rape apologist would dare question it.
>"I thought I was in love," Wood shared. "I wasn’t doing it to prove a point or be rebellious.">"I wanted to break a mold for sure – I knew I was edgier, more alternative, and weird," Wood explained. "And he was just what I needed, because I felt really free with him. And that freedom was attractive.">"I appreciate everything he taught me," she said. "I just don’t think we were right for each other."https://www.etonline.com/news/170387_evan_rachel_wood_opens_up_about_ex_fiance_marilyn_manson_i_thought_i_was_love
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To all the morally bankrupt dipshits defending Brian.
Just because he is famous his privilege shouldn't allow legitimate questions to be made on the questionable and contradictory claims made against him.
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Hi when I was married my husband and i made an agreement that sex while the other was sleeping was okay… it was even orginally requested. But as the relationship deteriorated- as in he lost basic respect for me- he would not wash his penis beforehand and always wait until I was in deep sleep or drunk to push me on my side and enter me without foreplay and without caring that my not being prepared would ripped my skin. Or that his dick smelled like a rat. So I requested he stop. And he would not.
There were many times during consensual sex between us (after this grey line abuse started)that I would start to feel pain or just completely stop being into it and I would ask him to stop and he would just continue having sex with me even if my face was blank and I made no noises or indication that I was interested. But i never pulled away because part of me was like "it would be mean not to let him finish." Hes my husband and he has to go to work soon. Im a stay at home mom it's my job. Even if he doesn't even try to to make me cum…. " - Which he would, inside of me , cleaned penis or not.
What's crazy about this is that it was not? Considered rape? Divorce lawyers did not care about this. And my family that I asked about it LITERALLY SAID as his wife I should be able to have sex whenever he wanted. His own mother said "sometimes you just have to ask men to do things over and over before they get it."
I still cant believe that.
My point is… it's possible she wasnt expecting the sex and even if she was he hurt her and she didnt respond positively or in a drugged state- at all- and he continued. Its possible they'd argued before she went to sleep and it was s shitty argument and he incorrectly decided sex with her would make her better? Or just that the previous consent was nullified by some kind of bad behavior.
He could have
-Been so high and drunk that he was hurting her or in a trance doing what he wanted with her like a doll
-Drugged her specifically so he could have sex with her while she was sleeping.
And while it's just speculation , it's important to consider the possiblity.(blogpost)
Yes, you got raped by your husband and I'm sorry it happened to you and that you couldn't be heard afterward.
But, this is not what happened with ERW and her playing with that stuff is hurting women like you who would need to be taken seriously.
I'm sorry you experienced this.
In your experience, were you aware you were being abused at the time?
It very well could have been partially what she went through.
Yes I understood while it was happening but i just went blank every time. Even now as much as i want to call it rape my mind still feels like a grey area around the situation.
I can actually remember maybe once or twice telling him to stop and he did but then him getting angry or like snippy so I let him finish… so instances like that I'm like was it rape? I let him do this? More than once.
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You can try to debate what is True Rape all you want. It’s easy to see your posts for what they are, an attempt to grey the waters. To take attention away from Brian’s crimes. Attack, Deflect, Discredit. Typical.
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How is he not arrested yet? Every day more evidence is leaked showing his depravity(ban evasion)
What I'm saying pertains to the conversation. I'm not trying to derail just bring light to the fact that rape has grey areas even in the mind of the person it happened too if it wasnt violent.
Imagine coming forward about the details of something like what I have said to millions of people. Too many details are easily dissected and too little leaves too much to the imagination and is often considered a lie.
I think a lot of people are irritated because amber heard was a liar and they are friends. I don't know much about that situation but I've had friends who hear about trauma and want to play victim
because they see the potential for attention. With the amount of people that have come forward… I kinda dont think evan is lying.
Plus I think often people dont say a lot about the hurt they go through because you kindof lose dignity if you become the whiney baby who couldnt handle something your lover dishes out in your relationship. With high speed relationships you roll with the punches even if they really start to hurt. Whoever backs out first is the wimp but you better not complain about how bad it got because you liked it at first.
What makes all of this abuse worse is that he was doing it to A LOT of women. And on top of that having sex with hundreds(!?) of women a year on tour. Hes like a pagan pimp and lindsay would be his bottom witch/bitch.
Another dubious thing by the way is that he uses religion and worship to justify all of this.(blogpost)
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>>1159902>I'm sorry someone has used your abuse to forward their agenda
that's what y'all are doing. you don't give a shit about justice or violence towards women, you just want celebs to kill themselves. don't pretend to be righteous for fuck sake.
ERW is 100% full of shit, and if I can see it, lawyers will see it even more accurately. this whole is gonna explode in her face because she's an idiot and hellbent on destroying him. in the end, it's gonna hurt women in general, because it will be a widely publicized distaster.(scrote)
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Self awareness? They’re almost there.
Didn't a judge recently side in her favor? Yes.
Also – I was a huge Manson fan – but it's entirely possible that BOTH him and Johnny Depp to be abusive
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Remember ladies, we have to let prospective partners know that we do not wish to be raped, beaten, whipped, cut, verbally assaulted, blackmailed, threatened and emotionally destroyed.
If we don’t, how will men ever know not to?
I'll be honest with you and tell you that I can believe a good chunk of the accusations. The domestic abuse, being shitty with groupies/leeches, losing his shit while high on coke, even the jack torrance episode. If he needs to be punished for it, so be it.
But the stuff ERW and Esme are saying, no, it's complete horseshit. That's complete fantasy, not even remotely close to how a human being functions.
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These are the kind of limp dick arguments that I’m finding going through the rabbit hole of rape apologists.
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The fuck does the color of your bf's dick have to do with anything?
And clearly when ERW said she woke to M fucking her unconscious body she was likley inebriated and blacked out. If your SO is "waking you up" with sex they are doing just that. It isn't hard to wake someone up from their slumber.
The question is not whether or not they said no.
It is rather “Did he ask first?”
This isn’t a grey area situation. This is not a goodnight kiss with regret. A forward hand. An uncouth comment.
This is about systematic rape. This is about cutting and whipping women. This is about tearing down souls and deep harassment.
This is about the fully black crimes of Brian Warner.
I actually disagree. The women have said they tried to leave but he refused to let them out of the house, MM would keep the house cold, kept them sleep deprived, sometimes didn’t provide any food for a few days which put the women in a mental state where they were too dazed and exhausted to even object.
Plus, women that find themselves in narcissistic/abusive
relationships typically were exposed to abuse growing up or sometime in their life and they have a higher threshold for abusers because to them it feels normal. Or these women are highly empathetic and they want to do everything to save, heal, or help the abuser and they don’t give up because they feel too emotionally bonded and they don’t want to abandon the abuser. In the empath case, the victims
themselves have a great fear of abandonment so they hold on.
That’s not what normal people do. Consent isn’t required for torture. This has nothing to do with sex. It was purely psychology warfare.
I actually disagree.
The women have said they tried to leave but he refused to let them out of the house, MM would keep the house cold, kept them sleep deprived, sometimes didn’t provide any food for a few days which put the women in a mental state where they were too dazed and exhausted to even object.
And here you describe crimes.
Plus, women that find themselves in narcissistic/abusive
relationships typically were exposed to abuse growing up or sometime in their life and they have a higher threshold for abusers because to them it feels normal. Or these women are highly empathetic and they want to do everything to save, heal, or help the abuser and they don’t give up because they feel too emotionally bonded and they don’t want to abandon the abuser. In the empath case, the victims
themselves have a great fear of abandonment so they hold on.
Taking advantage of the previously abused makes it all the more vile.
That’s not what normal people do. Consent isn’t required for torture.
It is not required for murder either, both are still crimes.
This has nothing to do with sex. It was purely psychology warfare.
So, you do agree in the end?
Fixed it for you:
>I actually disagree.
>The women have said they tried to leave but he refused to let them out of the house, MM would keep the house cold, kept them sleep deprived, sometimes didn’t provide any food for a few days which put the women in a mental state where they were too dazed and exhausted to even object.
And here you describe crimes.
>Plus, women that find themselves in narcissistic/abusive relationships typically were exposed to abuse growing up or sometime in their life and they have a higher threshold for abusers because to them it feels normal. Or these women are highly empathetic and they want to do everything to save, heal, or help the abuser and they don’t give up because they feel too emotionally bonded and they don’t want to abandon the abuser. In the empath case, the victims themselves have a great fear of abandonment so they hold on.
Taking advantage of the previously abused makes it all the more vile.
>That’s not what normal people do. Consent isn’t required for torture.
It is not required for murder either, both are still crimes.
>This has nothing to do with sex. It was purely psychology warfare.
So, you do agree in the end?(integrate)
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>The question is not whether or not they said no. It is rather “Did he ask first?”
My argument was that it doesn’t matter if mm asked them first or not because he created an environment where the victims
were easily controllable through sleep deprivation, starvation etc. under these conditions the women were far more susceptible to going along with whatever he had in store because of their mental state.
If he actually locked them up that's of course completely clear then. I haven't seen that brought up (not saying it's not there!). I am mainly still reacting to Esmes interview where she is asked if she ever refused him and she said no and similar vibes in other statements. I think victims
should focus on the big ones and not "just" examples that he is and ass and abusive
fuck. Rape, trafficked, pedo.. are very strong terms and shouldn't be watered down when presenting the case. Just my sense, nothing more, they don't owe me nothing
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If it was anyone else i would be like ok. He’s just a fan of the artist. But this guy is obsessed with nazi’s and has dressed up as one. On multiple occasions on stage too.
He’s also participated in black face
This is a photo of M? Doesn't look like blackface at all. Just him being creepy.
Look the dude grew up in OH and FL and he is a white male. Of course he will have some inherent racism. Not to mention the recent allegations of racism. But, I don't know about like, klan racist. What do I know though.
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That's MM in the photo in his short film doppelherz. Don't know the context of the make up or movie.
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ntayrt but GOAG was themed off vaudeville and this definitely is meant to evoke blackface/minstrel shows (picrel). that whole album is packed with tryhard nazi references, too. he likes to hide shit behind "just being creepy."
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LOL. Helnwein literally worked together with Manson to produce imagery during the era in which people keep using to assert that he is a literal Nazi.
It's just. Fucking. Art. You all are foaming at the mouth for every little crumb to back up your claims of him being an actual racist.
If you're going to cancel him, cancel Helnwein too. Don't simp for him and then condemn work that he literally created with Manson.
He did whiteface too, idiots. Open your mind before your mouth.
Yes, it's true. Since none of you will do any of your own research.
Here's both of them standing in front of work they collaborated on.(derail)
He hates red heads because of “Satan”, but then yet worships
the sick practices of Satan, and loves evil. How does this even make sense?
You tried, pathetic stan.
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I have personally seen videos of him screaming “nigga” repeatedly for like 3 minutes in a completely wasted state, no I don’t have and never had the video so don’t ask me for me. Everyone who has lived in LA in the last 20 years that works in media/fashion/whatever has had an unpleasant experience with him or knows someone who did, the reason his label and manager dropped him SO quickly, loma vista literally dropped him within hours, was because they KNEW what a psycho he was and how much hard evidence is (probably) floating around of his repulsive behavior.
Bringing up that shitty German artist (I don’t remember and don’t care how to spell his name) isn’t about proving his is or isn’t glorifying nazis in his art (he is just making cringe night porter fanfiction that is lame and pointless and should have stayed in the the 70s) the point is showing that Manson has a weird obsession with anything nazi related.
holy shit, who the fuck cares lmao
looking more like a nutjob every day(ban evasion)
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She posted that right after this, at least give it context.
Esme did say he locked her up for 3 days for the first sketchy video they shot though. And it's not the only testimony like that, there are several. She also said she was not allowed to leave the flat they shared- other women reported the same thing.
The trafficking / rape etc charges seem to hold water if the FBI asked her to come provide her testimony and evidence Esme says she has. Let's remember it's one tiny part of a seemingly bigger case which involves minors.
I don't think it's a stretch or exaggeration. Let's see what the FBI will do with all that.
I think I am a bit mistaken. Illa posted the FBI had found out all fake accounts attacking victims
had LA IPs in fall. It makes more than 3 months.
Dear FBI, honey, if you are reading this tell us one thing: milk when?
Ntayrt but why not?
I think they'll find enough to put him behind bars.
In case the audio will be allowed as evidence. It can be problematic
Right back at you.
So, the photograph is a personal reference…
There's actually much more violent stuff in museums and art galleries.
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OK, whoever photoshopped HaMMsons chin was really feeding the delusion. Pardon the pun.
I agree collecting “morbid” memorabilia alone shouldn’t be held against someone. My assumption Rosanna Arquette said that was to collaborate Saint Sasha’s claim >>1155461
that his intent for possessing it is to glorify violence against women.
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Annie serving more tea.
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And cue the Manson stans.
So was Lindsay blackmailing Evan under his direction? Blackmail and death threats alone are a punishable offense.
I noticed Annie is subtly leaking incriminating stuff for other victims
, that can be used against Manson. And that is100% blackmail.
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I hope she posts the recording of Lindsay screaming at her
She made sure the photo isn’t visible. She’s saying the victim
in the photo can share the full screenshot if she/he wants.
a photo he sent her is under the scribble text. she blacked it out for the victim
The point of difference with Dita is that she is a legitimately strong woman. She had her boundaries and she stuck to him. She isn't a victim
because she didn't allow herself to be one(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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Do you think Manson forced Lindsay to tattoo beauty marks on her face like Dita or did she skinwalk her all on her own
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I HATE TITTYBOYS I HATE TITTYBOYS(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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I think shit will hit the fan for L soon. As soon as someone comes out with some screen caps of her harassment I bet more will too.
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The tinfoil is strong. kek
AYRT, how they behaved is not even remotely close to how a human being functions in what way? Calling him out? Not addressing his abuse even after they werent together? None of what they've said or done seems weird to me.
Also, learn to sage. Type sage in the email field unless its new milk.
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This is some psycho shit if that’s him. Who would know her work email though?
Kanata lol. You mean Katana M?
Also, how the fuck do you join "clique" that is an ANONYMOUS board. He clearly does not understand the function or culture of image boards and it's sending me
She was already skinwalking Dita at the beginning of their relationship. She decided to be a try-hard all on her own.
Ha. It's just you. And do your research before you throw in your two cents next time. Dita's no better than either of them.
The FBI is involved. This is being covered worldwide. There is no way M or anyone associated with him (other than crazed "fans") would be sending anon messages rn.
Frankly, Annie is being a bit dramatic if she believes it could be him at this point.
Her trauma is I thinking the freshest. Can’t blame her for the paranoia. This is a pretty good imitation if it is one. Whether it’s from him or a crazy fan it’s still triggering
and I get it.
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She did say she doesn’t know if it’s him. That’s pretty fucked up a fan would fake a message from him.
She is getting all sorts of shit messages from shit people. I do get her paranoia.
I am dying to know wtf the hams plan is?! Silent all the way through until he has to speak in court. If he ever does. He'd never be able to off himself, he is just too much of a narcissist for that.
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How much of a sick fuck can you be to gaslight, manipulate and abuse someone so much that it takes victims literally years to even recognise their abuse.
The fact he has been so open in his lyrics and interviews and that everyone around him knew about this abuse is so fucking disgusting
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If being arrested is imminent, why dig yourself into more of a hole? It won't be that hard for the FBI to trace it back to him.
But wtf is this Manson defender ig? Releasing photos of Esme in retaliation that are hurtful to her image… there are sick fucks all over, doesn't mean it is him. FBI would be crawling all over his tracks.
Idk if it’s just me… but I’ve seen this mentioned a few times in this thread: what if Annie is just one of Manson’s spies? You know, like the satanic spies he sent to Corey Feldman? In order to gain trust of other victims
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Is this the same Annie who claims to be JJ Abrams’ secret wife?
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Just found these linked on the marilyn manson subreddit.
A new instagram account @fashionfanng is digging up old material presumably to try and discredit ERW
It looks like he has people trying to dig shit up on victims
. I wouldn’t trust it. Or talk to anyone if I was any of these women.(samefagging)
Ah yes, good ol' dead inside Evan, can barely look at the camera when she speaks. Also, Brian: "I think she just reluctantly gave in, because having me as an ex-boyfriend is worse than being in hell."
This is supposed to be in defense of Brian?
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I dunno, just wondering. She posted these wedding pics.(USER HAS BEEN PUT OUT TO PASTURE)
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This is worse than we ever feared.
Marilyn Manson is now responsible for abusing and brainwashing band members who would then go on to abuse and brainwash their girlfriends.
If we were to trace the genealogy of every criminal act committed in human history, they would all end with Marilyn Manson.
We must demand a blood sacrifice if the Antichrist.
Only once Marilyn Manson has ended will the sins of humankind be absolved.(ban evasion)
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It's well known that he is an abusive
piece of shit; preying of both sexes by his own admission. The idol of you brainless sycophants is completely fucked, that's why you're in overdrive to try to defend him.
MM: "Everybody's reaction is that it's a self-portrait, but it's actually of a friend of mine who used to be my assistant. His name is Jonathan (Pavesi). He was a really weak-willed kid who was probably eighteen when I met him, and I put him through him hell. He had to wash paint out of the crack of my ass and clean up my vomit. At one point, when he was working with me, he would get really mad because I would have physical altercations with him when I was coming on and off stage sometimes. I told him I would pay him 100 dollars if I ever hit him unintentionally, and then I got drunk one time and laid 500 dollars on the table and beat the shit out of him.
Now he's more of a masculine, intelligent, great friend of mine. I took a photograph of him, and the way I lit it, with just one bulb overhead, made his face shadowed like that. He looked like a really mean person. An ex-girlfriend of mine gave him the label The Enabler, because any time you go through any kind of rehabilitative program, you're supposed to get rid of the person who enables you with unhealthy elements, so that's the joke behind the title. That piece is one of my favorites."
You're going to pull a muscle with that stretch.
If band members abused their girlfriends, those band members are responsible. That blame doesn't extend to manson.
If marilyn manson abused anyone, he is responsible. His blame doesn't flow to anyone else.
This Brittany Leigh Tarot is a stupid cunt taking advantage of current media attention to make an asinine argument.
And Brian's behaivour just spontaneous arose out of the vacuum?
Under your logic at which point is anyone responsible for their behaivour?
It's simple math
Band member abuses someone = band member responsible
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Only a matter of weeks before some serious, unearthed tea starts to get spilled perhaps. Patience patience
Ooh, Annie is a mistress of Star Wars´ director,
M is innocent then.
I hope justice doesn’t take too long. >>1160597>>1160673
She posted audio of Manson saying, “I have his social security number, so good luck fucker.” What do you make of that?
k BHW. Can’t believe we’re analyzing the writing style of a recent rape or abuse victim
who seems to be in shock still??
They’re Manson fans who hope by discrediting victims
it might reinstate his shitty career.
Ok anon, whatever. >>1160704
Yep that's the same crowd over and over again. They're not all MM fans bu those who are need to come to terms about the fact their dear leader is done career-wise.
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Titti was written off as a “crazy” fan but I think there’s more to her story, imo. Manson tagged her in his post and mentioned in an interview she was there with him. Something happened and she turned on him. She’s still alive afaik.
Oh and he also offered me a job on tour as a merch assistant or something and left me his number. Never ever bought merch at Manson gigs, so can you all tell me what they look like?
Perhaps he was just talking out of his ass and wasn't working for Manson at all. But he did give me lots of plectrums and seemed to have a lot of shirts with him.
And when I met Manson in 2017 I had a shock moment cause I thought I recognised the dude again. I could be wrong though.
Because 2000’s was a toxic
environment anon and even my own dad would tell me “crazy women deserved all abuse they got from toxic
men”. We were brainwashed into thinking abusive
behavior is acceptable if the woman is a sex worker, has mental health problems, “she should have left in the first place” etc. and many men in privileged positions got away with abuse easily. If I tried to oppose any men who turned a blind eye on abuse, they would bully me until I gave up.
I just feel pity for her. Anyway,I think she didnt look that bad for a 44 yr old.
I will look up on the other girls too,thank u.
Anyway I wouldnt be suprised if he was into some darkweb shit,too.
Like watching,paying on snuff videos,etc. He might be buying girls from there as well.
Probably thats how he gets his drugs or that chinese girls skeleton and the other crazy stuffs.
I might be going too far with my theories,sorry.
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Jeanette and Alyx sadly committed suicide, I guess the former met Manson a fair few times and the latter I’m not sure about her connection, she was a friend of Jessicka’s and I think I first saw her name on another thread here.
Titti is apparently alive, I heard different before. But above there’s a cap of her saying she fought with Manson. Guess he fights with everyone.
I think that could be so. At this point, nothing would surprise me
Exactly, if “regular” guys can gaslight, emotionally abuse and manipulate women into toxic
relationships without them noticing at first, of course a famous one can. You don’t see it coming. I find it interesting how he says things in interviews like he’s damaged, so he attracts damaged girls. And he said in a song something like “when I hurt you, I’m hurting myself” it’s like he doesn’t see what he’s doing for what it is, but sees himself as the victim
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Oh well here’s what you’re missing. This is rich coming from a girl who…constantly lies.
Still waiting for you to do that live where you totally exonerate Manson with all your truths Mads honey
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So is ERW autistic now too?
I know, I know! Send me out to pasture!
All these soapboxes geezus. Couldn't stop myself.
Your desperation is showing.
She has a young son. Autism advocacy totally makes her a fraud. kek
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He also claims this. 1 in 44 people have autism, it’s a huge stretch to assume a connection of her post to Manson.
I know medfagging is against the rules but I really think this is more manson bullshit. His extremely emotionally driven
manipulative behavior and sociability is antithetical to the basic characteristics of autism. The person who came on back in day saying he has been diagnosed with NPD is the closest to what is the truth I think.
What are the chances that he has autism, schizophrenia, and
MPD? The closest we've gotten to a professional diagnosis was when @_noname666_ posted here and said he has BPD and NPD.
Looking at early interviews he definitely displays autistic behaivour. I also think he has a personality disorder.
Once he started getting attention, recognition, the money to do what he wants and being surrounded by enablers his inability to relate to people and not understanding normal boundaries has blown out into this drug enhanced monster
He's very sick. He needs to face consequences but he also needs the help anyone deserves.
Self-diagnosed autistic with an IQ of 170? Kek, ok Brian.
There would a lot of things to be said on both these claims, especially the IQ part. It's very revealing about a man as insecure as Warner, I'll leave it at that.
Autistic people have significant issues understanding and especially verbalizing emotions of both other and themselves but in the limited sense that they can, they do under normal parameters. NPD is the one where people can understand emotions, but lack the empathy to act on that understanding like a normal person would.
"Research shows people with autism may struggle with cognitive empathy because they are unable to recognize and name emotions based on facial expressions…However, while cognitive empathy can be lower in people with autism, affective empathy—which is based on instincts and involuntary responses to the emotions of others—can be strong and overwhelming. "
He also doesn't seem to show ANY other autistic traits, getting up on stage with insane noise levels and flashing lights every night for 30 years, smearing all sorts of liquids and other sensory stuff on his body, significant and fluid range of influences and hobbies ect. I'm 1000% sure his lawyers will try to use some kind of mental health defense for him that may or may not try autism, but his bullshit ain't it.
His mom WAS schizophrenic tho so I guess there is some potentially for a hereditary insanity defense but I don't believe his ego will ever allow himself to portrayed as incompetent at that level. /sage for all sorts of OT mods plz don't come @ me
>>1161151>He also doesn't seem to show ANY other autistic traits, getting up on stage with insane noise levels and flashing lights every night for 30 years, smearing all sorts of liquids and other sensory stuff on his body, significant and fluid range of influences and hobbies ect"
Go and read information about their early days. He would hide backstage before a show having been panic attacks due to social anxiety. Along with other traits its pretty obvious he's on the spectrum.
It was through drugs he pushed himself through and having rapidly gained success and authority its just gone to shit for him.
Even in interviews now, if he's not drunk or high he's really withdrawn and timid.
Interesting. I was curious about the timing of the “Halloween Show in Vegas” cause she was either referring to the show on 10/27/2004 or 10/31/2007. Most sites show their relationship as beginning in 2006, so she’d have been 17 in 2004 (under age sexually, also called a “minor.”) or 20 in 2007 (under drinking age but no longer a minor, some states have carve outs for drinking at ~20 also https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/18/where-teenagers-can-legally-drink-in-the-u-s-yes-really/?outputType=amp
I’m not sure you can claim “under age” honestly if you were 20.
The context of how she stated underage:
>when I was underage, after being given large amounts of drugs and alcohol
Underage was followed by drugs and alcohol which would imply underage to drink. She further explained:
> She explained that she spent most of the night in the rock star’s hotel room since she wasn’t old enough to go to the casino, and people were drawing on her face.
Las Vegas is very strict about underage drinking. People under 21 aren’t even allowed to loiter in casinos.
In her original post, Evan only used the word underage in reference to not being allowed in the casino and spending most of the night in her hotel room. The media then ran with the 'underage' tag in their headlines to be salacious.
Evan may have known what she was doing using that word, but she never claimed to be under the age of consent.
Social anxiety is not autism tho and stage fright is extreme common among all types of performers.
>if he's not drunk or high he's really withdrawn and timid
This is a common vulnerable/covert narc trait. Unlike their grandiose counterparts they are scared to death of judgment and rejection. Manson has show repeatedly that he has an entire former soviet bloc country's worth of people living rent-free in his head 24/7, so…
>Along with other traits
what other traits do you mean?
Leslee is a delusional bottom feeder.
She claims to have seen MM whip a full Gatorade bottle at ERW's head, and that ERW was so enthralled with him she would "put up with just about anything" in that first year. Leslee has said multiple times MM was violent, would get dopesick and get scary AF, and yet she calls ERW a liar for accusing MM of abuse?
Leslee has shown she is too dysfunctional and blinded to recognize even blatant physical abuse, she is not going to recognize something more subtle like coercive control.
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I have perished. I can see why she’d think that he planted that to ridicule her but she seems a step ahead and did it anyway while mocking it. I love this sfm
I'm absolutely wheezing. Annie has some serious sense of humour.
This might explain the weirdo anon who came to post what appeared to be photoshopped pictures of Annie and J.J Abrams here >>1160474
If I doubted it before, I'm now positive either MM or more likely, one of his minions are reading this thread and posting in it.
He seemed to be so innocent back then,didnt he?https://youtu.be/57754dq6R_I
I am just confused bcos his lost tapes was recorded around 1996.
Still he sounded so gentle and normal back in 2008.
That just doesnt match up to me and scary af.
I believe to some of girls who said he was normal and kind to them. If he was a di*k to everyone the truth would come out. He likes to make people confused so he has to behave normal sometimes to make confusion,I guess lol
I dont hate him anyways. He rather fascinates me. In a bad way. Similarly to serial killers.
When do you guys think he/they ll finally say something??(lolcow.farm/info)
He's always been problematic
, but it went next level around 2008/2009 with the break up of ERW.
This is where the histrionics went into overdrive. It was common knowledge among his fans his live shows were a gamble with him being a complete drunk. His personal life was a shambles and he couldn't even hold together enough to get they an interview or gig without going off the rails.
>>1161298>When do you guys think he/they ll finally say something??
I don't think he'll say anything for weeks, if not a few months.
Hes been through scandals before. He's acknowledged he intentionally went radio silent after the Columbine fall out, and he came out of that quite well. His appearance in Moores documentary certainly helped that rehabilitation.
As time goes on, the majority of the public scrutiny and memory will fade. ERW also seems to be currentmy undermining her own original declaration by now resorting to constantly sharing petty moralistic nonsense.
If a conviction or hard evidence don't turn up, the public is going to remember ERWs instagram stories more than they will the initial rape claims.
Manson would yet again come out looking like the victim
of contemporary moral panics, rightly or wrongly.
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Can anyone decipher what he is saying in this new dump? I was able to make out 50-70% before but this one is just impossible.
also photoshopped images are ridiculously easy to spot using basic imaging tools, idk if Mason's boomer ass thinks once an image gets saved to JPEG the original pixels and their lossey compression are like, gone forever and can't be detected. For someone who thinks he's the crackhead julian assange he seems to know almost nothing about how technology actually works.
Annie, if you're reading this:http://fotoforensics.com/
This. I really doubt that would be swept under the carpet and forgotten. Even if somehow the investigation wasn't conclusive (which, given the amount of incriminating material both MM management and MM himself are reported to have accumulated, seems unlikely), MM career is still done and in the shitter. By all accounts, his career was everything to him. So he already paid quite a hefty price for the whole thing. He's never going to recover from any of it on that front. Even if the storm passes, the boat will remain capsized.>>1161314
ERW or any victims
can cope in whichever way they chose imo, if that means sharing shitty caps of platitudes, so be it, I don't see how this has any impact on anything really, or how this would be a dent on her credibility.
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>the pain of brian warner still lives in my bones, in my veins, in my whole body. it's like phantom pain and i can't clean it off, no matter how hard i try.
I know victims cope in different ways and that's completely fine, but… try not to cut yourself on that edge, Ashley.
It may just be what I've passed by on reddit, but people are openly expressing their skepticism to ERW because
of her new posts.
If Brian is convicted, these things won't matter. What worries me is if a conviction isn't obtained due to some technicality, this could work against future victims
I'm just thinking out loud.
>If a conviction or hard evidence don't turn up, the public is going to remember ERWs instagram stories more than they will the initial rape claims.
I get the feeling that if they can't prosecute MM after this investigation, then the accusers may just release whatever evidence they were going to use in a trial anyway, which will be open for judgement by the public.
People who choose to remember ERWs later IG stories over her actual testimonies are already the type of people who are looking for any excuse to discredit accusers.
>>1161345>People who choose to remember ERWs later IG stories over her actual testimonies are already the type of people who are looking for any excuse to discredit accusers
Exactly. I doubt that's most people reading up on it anyway, more like the MM niche of diehard, brainwashed fans.
But I see where you >>1161332
are coming from, anon. I totally get it.
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I just fell off my fucking couch omfg