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Genshin Impact is a free-to-play action role-playing game developed and published by miHoYo/Hoyoverse. The game features a fantasy open world environment and action based battle system using elemental magic, character switching and uses gacha game monetization for players to obtain new characters, weapons, and other resources.

Resources:
>Redeem codes without having to login
https://genshin.mihoyo.com/en/gift

>Wiki

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Genshin_Impact_Wiki

>Build Simulation/Optimization

https://www.gscale.cc
https://genshin.aspirine.su/
https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/

>Database filled with pretty much everything found in game

https://genshin.honeyhunterworld.com
https://ambr.top/en
https://gi.hakush.in/
https://homdgcat.wiki/gi/

>Build help

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gNxZ2xab1J6o1TuNVWMeLOZ7TPOqrsf3SshP5DLvKzI/edit#gid=2001372201

>Character guides

https://keqingmains.com/

>Interactive map for overworld item locations

https://act.hoyolab.com/ys/app/interactive-map/index.html?lang=en-us#/map/

>Another interactive map

https://genshin-impact-map.appsample.com/#/

>Genshin Center, a resource center for the game

https://genshin-center.com/

>Event timeline

https://paimon.moe/timeline/

>Wish Simulators


https://gi-wish-simulator.uzairashraf.dev/
https://hutaobot.moe/tools/gachacalc
https://konopelko.github.io/genshin/
https://qiqisfather.github.io/weaponbanner/
https://qiqisfather.github.io/universal_roll_simulator/

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No. 465288

Ew, why did they make Capitano a megane?

No. 465306

nice thread pic I am sooooo ready for Pantalone to be playable… at least i really hope he will be. I love his character

No. 465317

>>465288
That's Pantalone, anon.

No. 465346

>>465306
Sincerely praying for that rumor about his adoptive daughter being playable instead being false. But with how Hoyo hates female players and the Fatui, it's likely.

No. 465351

>>465346
Didn't the leaks about Pantalone's adopted daughter being playable and Pantalone simply existing to ship her with the traveler come from a rather trusted source? I might be remembering wrong but it would fall in line. The same leak said that Tonya (Childe's sister) would also be playable and have a crush on the traveler.

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>>465306
>>465346
I agree anons! Nice to see other pantalone lovers in this thread… Even though there's not a lot of content for him obviously, and considering the current direction I won't dare to imagine there will be much once the time comes. He has so much potential to be a phenomenal and memorable character though. And I love everything about his design from the dark purple hair and glasses to the elegant robe. I really hope the death rumors aren't true as well, how would even the most braindead player not pick up on how jarring and strange that would be? And let me guess, to add insult to injury the replacement- I mean, daughter, would be an ugly coomwaifu with as much depth and intruige as a muddy puddle. If he is playable I'll instantly save and main him, if not hoyo can say bye bye to me logging in, I already started losing hope after capi. I'm such a pantasperg and that's my last thread of hope to care about this game.
I don't know if it's controversial or not but I like seeing him with arle. They would have interesting interactions.

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>>465358
leak in picrel (uncle 111) says that pantalone has a chance of either being an npc or being playable depending on "market popularity" (read: hoyo's whims). don't get your hopes up too much though, because being playable doesn't mean he won't get completely screwed over character-wise and relevance-wise. if anything, i feel like being playable would make character assassination all the more likely because they have to aggressively screw him over somehow for the crime of being a harbinger. arlecchino's shitty retcon taught us as much, and tbh the sudden appearance of this "adopted daughter" isnt very encouraging, that definitely wasnt the original plan for pantalone. the same leak also mentions that he's irrelevant to the plot either way, and that the female harbingers will also be irrelevant despite being playable (to the surprise of nobody).
i'm personally not a shipper and not very keen on how m/f ships with arle default to making her submissive even more than her fluffy-ass f/f ships, but i definitely would've loved for (pre-retcon) arlecchino to have more interactions with other harbingers. unfortunately it seems that the nu-team is very dedicated to not having harbingers interact at all, or to make their interactions a big nothingburger with a side of defanging (see childe and arle). compare and contrast bickering and passive-aggression even at a funeral during lazzo…i wouldve loved to see more pettiness of that kind kek. shame that's a pipe dream now.

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>>465358
Pantalone fans have it the worst. Even the best case cope situation is just fanfiction. Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Sneznaya, and the B team is working on Natlan, and everything goes back to normal, that means EVERY 5 star will be a harbinger, assuming they all live and are all playable. Columbina, Pierro, Capitano, Dottore, Sandrone, Pantalone. 4/6 are male, which could mean the gender split could be equal, which is already unlikely. Then “evil” male characters must be redeemed but to do that they must be given screen time. Capitano must also be revived as Genshin cannot release dead characters for whatever reason. Even in the best case scenario, the suave, smooth talking, cunning chess master we’re looking for may be butchered. Just look at Ayato.

If Dottore isn’t playable I don’t know what I’d do. I save so much wish and I play ever event in hopes of getting more resources to c6 r5. But if they kill him in favor of Slutya, I really would cry. I’d probably apply as a programmer to WuWa same day with my full resume. Shit, I’d do it for free if it would ruin Genshin. Too bad I’m not a Chinese yume. Then they’d be afraid of people like me.

No. 465389

>>465376
>Assuming they really are saving the best writers for Snezhnaya
nta, but the people who cared about the harbingers in any capacity left at the end of 2.x with the writing team change, and the new team has been trying to undermine the harbingers ever since. dont be fooled into thinking harbinger hatred is just a natlan problem, it's a fat xiao problem (3.x onward screenwriter). i should also add that the former head screenwriter wasn't just transferred to hsr, he flat-out left due to constant mistreatment from higher-ups, probably strategic negging so they could put nepo baby xiao in charge instead. the realistic hope would be that they go back to making male harbingers playable, but given the new team's hatred for both male and female harbingers, that would still mean either neverending humiliation or complete character assassination well beyond what anyone could imagine. you mention ayato not living up to expectations, but as an og arlecchino fan, i actually envy ayato's characterization since he still ended up more morally grey than her bleached retcon (even if his execution was lackluster). i really went through it because of how they basically 180'd her characterization and turned her into some generic angsty kuudere. i cant really offer you comforting words given the state of the writing team, all i can say is that i sympathize with you and that im sorry the harbingers are stuck here of all places.

No. 465400

>>465389
Thank you for your sympathy nonna, I am also sorry that true Arlechinno fans had their character butchered and sold back to them as a mommy Mary sue. Even worse seeing people praise it. I am very depressed and anxious about Dottore. I plan on quitting during the next summer event where the motherload of primos will put me comfortably in c1 r1 range if he ever releases. Even if I get everything I want, the wait and anxiety would have soured my yume joy.

Above all, I think we can all agree we have been robbed of our time by their abusive sunk cost and refusal to be transparent. We wouldn’t need to scream about leaks for years in advance if they would ever just speak to the players. None of us hate genshin and wish for its demise, we just want the good game we played all those years ago… I feel so cheated and strung along. But in the end, losing to hoyo is like loosing at chess to a dog, it really is my fault for expecting anything good. I wish I could pull a Kuro and make my own genshin, but even those guys are just gonna pump out waifus for their shit xerox of a xerox story. I want them to feel the same pain they inflict on the people that made their fandom. But the masses are stupid and complacent, Genshin wouldn’t die even if they released Slutya tomorrow. Total Honkai DEATH.

No. 465420

You know what's sad? I even liked some of the HSR husbandos more than some Genshin ones. I love the concept and design behind characters like Aventurine and Sunday and Blade, but it's true they suck at balancing the cast and I have no trust in them after what they did to Genshin. It seems to be a stupid move on their part to try and get the fujos and husbandofags over to their other games while shafting them in Genshin. This just means they have no trust they won't get fucked over again, and they're not going to try the new shiny game if their husbando is going to be on the chopping block while incels get pandered to. I can't believe the company fucked themselves this bad by listening to incels who only care about destroying games just to spite women. Hyv honestly for a while had a good brand when they branched out of waifu games. People who hate gacha still loved Genshin because the music is still great, the exploration is great, it's fun to play unlike most other gachas. People would give them a lot of grace for having husbandos in an rph type of game and even for the waifus not all looking and acting obvious goonerbait. Why the fuck would you change that?

No. 465437

>>465306
He's rumored not to be playable and instead his adopted daughter is. I wouldn't place any hope in him becoming playable. That rumor sounds too stupid to be real, which means it's something they would do to spite female players. Capitano had more hype than Pantalone and look what happened.

No. 465465

>>465437

Where is it said that he has a daughter? I can't find anything about that. I'll choose not to believe it so my yoom dreams aren't crushed kek

No. 465493

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The adopted daughter shtick makes me hopping mad. Men just assume that everyone has the same moe-rotted brain as them, so that the instant they see a cute girl they start cooing out over her and feel more amicable towards Pantalone. Well, fuck you; I don’t see women as little cute pets. If you don’t give me a genuine reason to like your newest waifu, like they did fantastically with Hu Tao, I’m not going to feel all soft for the pair of them just because “muh Anya-Loid ripoff!” I hope the little bitch burns in hell, but of course, they’ll probably make Pantalone sacrifice himself for her (despite having known her for 2 seconds or whatever).

No. 465534

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I look forward to the Sandrone engoodening, where they'll somehow turn the clearly unhinged individual we saw in the letter into a moeblob traveler loving waifu kek

No. 465562

>>465400
ayrt, i appreciate what you said too ♥︎ i definitely agree with the sentiment of wanting to put hyv through the same pain they've put us through, and i also feel terrible for the old head screenwriter who's watching all his hard work be mangled to thunderous applause. i don't think we were wrong to expect better, and i do believe we could have had better under an old writing team unburdened by negging/honkaishitters. even if it wouldn't have been perfect, it wouldve been miles better than what us harbingerfags are stuck with now.
>>465465
its from a cn leaker called uncle water who apparently called 6.x not being snezhnaya proper amongst other allegedly accurate leaks. it's kind of hard to get more info not being in the cn leak scene, but the person who cited this leak was also the only person ive seen who called skirk being playable in natlan, and in the same post they mentioned pantalone's daughter. don't let that crush your yume dreams though, the new team's vision for the harbingers is ooc by design and you shouldn't give it any more weight than you do fanfiction.
>>465534
akshually, that letter was written by the previous sandrone, weren't you paying attention to the lore nonnie? all the unhinged stuff was just baseless rumors spread by dottore to make his scientific competitor look bad. shes actually just a shy girl who wouldnt hurt a fly and cant talk to others because of anxiety, so she makes robots to feel less lonely, but really she much prefers people to machines…what, you don't think that's good writing? you think thats the polar opposite of what she was supposed to be? wow, i guess you must hate bleached—um i mean morally grey female characters.

No. 465598

>>465562
Oh that’s so terrible! I almost forgot about him. I know he was a moid but he was a moid with good ideas and he didn’t put his penis above making a good story for Genshin Impcr. He cared about his characters and his lore; and it must have been soul crushing for DaWei to force him out just for better coom. It so sick, how could Da Wei do this and have the nerve to cry infront of us as if he is a human being worth sympathy? I don’t mean to alog and try and start a witch hunt, but this man is evil. Were the billions not enough for you? Was our years of support and care not enough to line your pockets enough? You forsake your staff, your legacy composers and artists and writers, your fans, your own friends. For what end? Ego? Money? Honkai Impact 3rd? That game is complete slop! And I guess genshin is too. It might be over nonnas

>rumors made by Dottore

Who wants to take bets Sandrone and Dottore hate each other instead of logically working together with their combined expertise. And she moral high horses against him, despite being a murderer. If he lives long enough to be spoken of.

No. 465622

>>465376
I say this without malice nonna: if you expect playable evil Dottore, you're better off going to a different game. Otome games will have the evil guy you're looking for, but he's without a doubt not going to be playable in Genshin. Harbinger stans need to realize what you like is fanfiction. Especially if you're a yume, I would suggest playing an actual otome which would have the type of guys you want rather than hoping Genshin will give you a yandere evil guy.
>>465534
The evil part of Sandrone will be revealed to be Alain, the man. The good part will be the spirit of Mary Ann, and she will be the playable one.

No. 465691

>>465284
>Genshin lost 75% of their revenue in a month
And yet people are calling it a great game because it still sold like hot cakes and did much more than its rivals. This fanbase is retarded. Enjoy your powercreep and predatory tactics.

No. 465707

>>465622
But…but.. muh angsty psychotic yandere…. He was perfect yumebait. How am I meant to stop gooning now? They locked in in the basement for 4 years and now I know they’ll kill him? I’ve been waiting since the webtoon. Deep down I know you’re right, it just hurts to admit.

No. 465823

Im calling it
>katherine becomes relevant again and shes turned into a robot + blacksmith + wrestler + gardener anemo character who can fly and also has a motorcycle
>pantalone dies by katherines hands, his daughter becomes playable
>dottore dies under slutyas ass, his medium tall female segment becomes playable
>childe dies and his sister becomes playable
>Jester dies under tsaritsas hands because was being manipulated by him so she kills him
>sandrone and columbina have lesbian sex and invite the traveler for a threesome
>the tsaritsa uses all the gnosises as buttplugs
>tsaritsa also has a motorcycle
Ladies, I present… impact

No. 465829

>>465707
>muh angsty psychotic yandere
Actually I'm glad Genshin is spared from this type of yume.

No. 465901

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Which of the female characters do you think would be considered most popular among LC users? And why? I'd be willing to bet no one here dislikes Chiori. We all remember how she made incels seethe. If MHY ever wrongs her, I know I wouldn't be alone in being absolutely livid about it.

No. 466117

>>465901
Furina is up there.
Arlecchino would be too if they didn't rewrite her.

No. 466118

>>465829
Really I'm joking but I'm sure theres not enough Dottore spregs in this thread to want to hear about it. Dottore is neither a yandere nor a psychopath. He has the unique lore of being the few characters who are both arrogant and extremley self hating. He literally kills himself for a gnosis. His own voices constantly admonish him and even in Scara's story he loathes himself. He pities others for not knowing who he truly is and compares himself to a demon, something unreasonable and undefeatable. Just think of the lore we could have gotten if Scaramouche was still allowed to be a character. Dottore confronts his envy, and how he wishes to be accepted by society the same way Scaarmouche is, despite Scara being the real robot and him being a person. It's due to his evil and selfish nature, and he puts his goals above the suffering of others. Not because he's a sadist or takes pleasure in human suffering, he just cares more about benefitting himself, or even society as a whole independant of the gods that seemingly casted him away. This isn't all fanfiction, this is in the lore! It's all true, direct quotes. That's why I'm so scared. If this new writing team ruins everything, even if Dottore is released, we may unironically get molesttore, who is subsequently ass-murdered by Slutya!

No. 466121

>>466118
Based and truthpilled post, nonita. I have unreal amounts of hate for the portrayal of Dottore being a 2-dimensional yandere psycho because it does absolutely no justice to how he's actually written as - a cunning individual who can't help being the way he is, his sincere but selfish quest to seek out for the truth of the world and the limits of human capabilities driving him to doing things that are evil. It's like people keep intentionally sleeping on all the lore dropped on him right in your face because they simply want to goon to the thought of being choked by muh yandere daddy dottore.

No. 466125

>>466121
While I can't say that the gimmick of the whole evil yandere thing isn't nice, but I don't want the writers to fall for his flanderization! I couldn't bear to see it, especially if they fully retcon the fact that Dottore doesn't even know Collei. From Arlechinno's story, we know they aren't above using child abuse to steal sympathy, so I have little to no hope. Let my goon material just be fanfiction, but God forbid ever putting that in the story, or even having that be the wider interpitation. He has good and promising lore, a great story in the works, he's one of the best characters they ever written. I'd say he trumps Furina for the sheer fact he's actually done bad things. The hospital notes, Soreh's death, the hoyofair animations, the webtoon. He's my husbando God damnit! I won't stand for hoyo's slander!

No. 466166

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Not gonna lie, I hate that they're pushing Childe and Arlecchino as friends. All the moids crying about Tartali being a thing and not these two as a ship are annoying as hell too, obviously his ship with Zhongli has more content since its older, but most of the shippers aren't interested anymore. Feels weird to have him invite her into his home and to celebrate with his family, but I guess they're besties now and the Harbingers are really a big found family.

No. 466167

>>466166
I don't think this has anything to do with ships and more that they need more characters to put in a group picture and this family is just the safest option. Arlecchino is one of the women who feels genuinely gay.

No. 466168

>>466167
Also Arlecchino is the only woman they could put in a picture with Childe like this without the yumes crying for her blood like they were doing with Yoimiya. I don't think the moids care about Arlecchino much. Her hardcore fans seem to be mostly lesbians.

No. 466171

>>466167
>Arlecchino is one of the women who feels genuinely gay.
I don't agree, but okay. I mainly find it annoying they shill them together instead of just doing Childe with Teucer or by himself like usual, I think them becoming buddy-buddy after one meeting is retarded.

No. 466173

>>466171
Well, I'm bored of only seeing Childe with his NPC brother and since they keep postponing Snezhnaya people would like to see other characters. They can only market characters from the same region or organization, it's not that deep and overthinking holiday art. Do you think Nilou and Dehya actually visited Carneval in Brazil too?

I understand the disappointment over Arlecchino but not for nothing, but you guys should get used to your harbinger fanfictions not coming true and at least move on. The writing was on the wall with how Scaramouche became playable. I think Genshin has done a lot wrong but there's only so much "where's muh evil psychos" complaints we can have before it becomes too repetitive.

No. 466180

>>466173
I'd rather take Childe and his NPC brother over shilling another waifu where she doesn't belong, yeah. Anything to keep greasy scrotes from stroking their dick over dethroning slash ships or whatever, I just find the trends annoying.

No. 466182

>>466180
I don't think a single person sees this as ship art unless you're a crazy incel who sees cucking everywhere. It's as brainless as thinking Nahida is actually dating Scaramouche.

No. 466185

>>465707
My copium is that they'll make Dottore playable but as one of his segments instead of the man himself, unfortunately. Though no doubt they'll be messing it up like how they did with Scara

No. 466188

>>466185
Pretty sure Dottore is stated not to be playable but those leakers who predicted everything else accurately. I don't know why you'd even want him to be playable if you want him to stay evil. Anyone still hoping for that by now should have woken up and either deal with it or play a game that has what they want.

No. 466195

>>466188
Original Dottosperg here, the one with all the wishes. I will be officially quitting genshin impact. I realized I’m in an abusive relationship with either a shitty video game or a group of Chinese Incels. This slop isn’t worth my time or my writing, my Etsy shop, my modding skills, none of it. I hope Da Wei is stabbed to death by a crazed yume after he brought back Capitano just to kill him for good. I watched this video and was filled with indescribable rage. Fuck the lore, fuck the descenders, fuck the fatui, and most of all, FUCK that shitty useless game hi3. Genuine terrible waste of time, the game has been going down the shitter since Fontaine trailer, I’ve just been blind. We are NEVER getting another male, an edgy harbinger or even an edgy character and they have been purposefully screwing with us the whole time! Im gonna make my own genshin impact (with blackjack and hookers of course). Sage for alogging

No. 466197

>>466195
Based, nonnie.

No. 466201

>>466195
Genshin has been going down the shitter but "there's no rape ape for my yume goonette slop fantasy" is funny. Go play otome games with yandere routes, or Granblue Fantasy, there's a rape ape moid in there.(infighting/baiting)

No. 466203

>>466201
You're just stirring the pot for fun.

No. 466205

>>466201
She didnt say any of that

No. 466208

>>466201
I write an entire essay about how he’s not just an object for my obsession and is an actual character with promise who I was once excited about. But of course, all examples of female sexuality that isn’t “heh…. My wholesome 100 Yuri couple kissed…” is just gooner booktok c.ai slop and I’m just a dumb stupid woman who should go flick the bean to LADS. Go back to the ugly man thread or wherever your kind lurks.

No. 466211

>>459623
>>465823
Great minds think alike.

No. 466217

>>466195
>>466208
i'll have to watch this but holy shit, you're into modding? it's so difficult to find people who aren't big booba coomers even in "sfw" spaces. that said, don't mind the shitstirrer, nonna. some people out there can't help but paint darker characters with the same flanderizing brush, and take the opportunity to caricature their fans too. it's a shame that us harbingerfags who enjoy nuance gets flack from all sides because of it. something something rise of black and white thinking among fandoms, but for what it's worth, i enjoyed your dottore essay. some people also don't seem to understand that we're not upset over "fanfiction", we're upset over shit that was provably going to be in the game being scrapped/retconned in the most insulting way possible. tl;dr you're not wrong for feeling the way you do, and i hope you enjoy dottore unburdened by genshit.

No. 466220

>>466217
Thank you nonna! Make 3d models and try to get into programming, I started off with Minecraft mods and moved on to Sims. I was working on a webttore mod for sucrose, since I kind of saw her as his daughter lol. But Genshin doesn't deserve even the worst fanfic from a Dottore fan. Fatui fans give so much just to be spat on by everyone in the fandom. The devs, the yuritroons, other harbinger fans, artists. I'm sick of giving hoyo free advertising with my hard work and love, when its clear they hate me. It's practically a meme when people on message boards say they'll totally make their own, better product, but if there's any others who feel cheated, I think this thread or another is perfect to share our fanworks or other projects where they'll be appreciated. Theres even a Dottore otome game on itch.io, but its sadly not romance focused. My first project shall be slutya, she really did win in the end…

No. 466328

>>466166
Seeing this as a ship is getting schizo like the incels. If anything shafted Childe it was his entire plot in Fontaine. Childe fans have to be the biggest sufferers of Hyv Stockholm Syndrome with how they think he's going to be allowed to be so important. They already made Skirk disrespect him while she acknowledged traveler. They can't have a waifu respect him without shitting on him for the traveler. They shit on him in every region but Childe fans are so delusional thinking this is a sign for future growth and that he's an underdog and not that they don't want anyone to outshine the self-insert protagonist. They're so easily settled by merch and pictures that they'll never see the writing on the wall. When Skirk shits on him they'll be gaslit by people telling them that it's misogyny if they don't like her.

No. 466436

How many of you guys watch tectone? I started watching him last year because I was interested in the hater side of the genshin community and I kept hearing about how he was basically Satan. While he is a coomer moid, he actually manages to use his brain half of the time. He even points out how Hoyo is shilling worse and worse waifus for money.

No. 466438

>>466436
>Watching moids
Other than that he always makes clickbaity sensationalist content, a good channel doesn't need clickbait if its videos are good, which tectone isn't

No. 466439

>>466438
All gacha creators are either pick me’s with huge titty vtuber models or a stupid high voice they insist is real, or an ugly coomer moid with degeneracy from 1-10. Tectone is a solid 8.

No. 466442

>>466436
My favourite tectone videos are his tax fails, gambling addiction and his wife cheating on him.

No. 466445

>>466442
I think he has a new gf cause I saw a woman in his house on another stream.

No. 466448

>>466436
Tectone is a typical moid who hates women. Hating Genshin doesn't make him not a typical degenerate gooner.

No. 466498

>>466445
I’ve had to look on drama channels and apparently his ex wife didn’t cheat on him. He allegedly made his ex wife sign an NDA and abused his rebound gf. They’ve called him a liar.

No. 466572

>Wrio paired with Furina to make his numbers look bad
I hate this

No. 466616

>>465901
>>466117
agreed with second nonna, and adding that all the original plans for harbinger women would've probably been appreciated (or at least respected). as things stand though, beidou and ningguang seem fairly well-liked from what i've seen.
>>466220
i'm a bit too paranoid to post any of my works on here, but i'll be rooting for you if you ever post yours ♥ your vision of dottore definitely sounds much more interesting than whatever woobification or flanderization the nu-team could ever come up with. i'll be sure to keep an eye out for slutya projects in the wild too kek, i have to admit a shitty satirical genshin vn/game would be pretty funny.
>>466436
his voice and general demeanor both have something uniquely grating about them, probably the fact that he seems skeevy even by subpar moid standards. i understand enjoying genshin bashing, but just about any other critic feels more bearable than him.

No. 466620

>>466208
Dottore was never that deep and you said you're a yume who mostly likes him because of your fixation. It's the most basic female sexuality to be into rapey men, but in that case why were you ever expecting that from Genshin? Play otome because that's the game that caters exactly to that instead of being upset fanfiction didn't come true. Not everyone plays Genshin to date characters.

No. 466625

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>>466620
He is not rapey! If anything, he doesn’t like romance or sex, he killed a girl who had a crush on him because she made him uncomfortable and presumably felt cornered by his upperclassman. And even before then she describes him to be standoffish, completely uninterested in her. I have my own personal fanfiction, fine, I admit it, but I never wanted it to come true! I want him to be the character his extensive lore pointed towards! He has the most lore for a non playable character, is given dedicated animations, areas in the actual game, multiple in game quests all for him! I’m not mad that Dottore isn’t fucking lumine on screen, I’m mad hes not on the screen at all, and when he will be, theres a large chance he’ll be ruined. But I do agree, It was naive to expect a complex character from fucking Hoyo of all places, I’ll take the hit on that. But I was optimistic and assured by the quality of Scaramouche’s story, and the archon quest. Now I’m just regretful.

No. 466626

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And then I lost my 50/50 to Qiqi. Oh well, at least I got him C0! For now.

No. 466629

>>466625
The Scaramouche quest made it clear he was the fall guy to get Scaramouche playable, and Arlecchino sealed the deal. This is why I was so annoyed when people were begging for Arlecchino to be playable when they rumored she'd be killed off, I knew she would get watered down if she had to be playable. Unfortunately himejoshi don't like evil women so they're happy she's this defanged because it means Arlefuri can be fluffy yuri. As if every yuri ship isn't already like this.

But yes. You can hype up a character for being evil or you can have a playable but you won't ever get both. I will blame Honkeks for making people think they make evil playables, because the only "evil" playables in that game aren't even that evil and the true villains are the men who of course are not playable.

No. 466631

Should I log back in just to get Mika? I really needed/wanted him back when I was playing daily

No. 466634

>>466629
I should’ve been tipped off when Signora died… Since she was rude to moids, hated the traveler, was arrogant AND already had a husband, theres no way she’d live. Scaramouche is little more than a bratty child and he was considered the worst by incels. Imagine if they released an attractive arrogant tall male character? Who’s evil? They’d hack into servers just to leak the IP and credit card info of everyone who owns him.

No. 466635

>>466631
Hes alright if you have many cryo characters, but I have him and don’t use him. Kinda cute, he reminds me of a baby chick.

No. 466636

>>466436
He's a ragebaiting retard. Stop wasting your time watching this fat scrote.

No. 466637

>>466634
Scaramouche's writing is pretty bad only because it's a sign of the usual stale Hyv tricks. Erase him from people's memories so there's no conflict anymore. Have him say he wants to atone but then skip to him being in a festival with everyone else and treated like he did nothing wrong. Go full on pitybait and make Dottore responsible for his crimes. Compare this to Signora dying and I see why people would be bitter about it, even though incels hate him for the wrong reasons. I can even believe they wanted controversy with him to incite a gender war because of how he became playable.

No. 466652

>>466637
I watched many videos on the Asian gender war. Are there no people who want a neutral game? Normal people dont goon 24/7! Why do men in Asia need every single character to be a prostitute with a “””””deep””””” story. I hate NIKKE for this exact reason.

No. 466709

>>466652
Normal people don't play this game, anon.

No. 466723

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I want to roll for Wriothesely out of principle (when are we ever going to get another 5* male cryo? Never) but he’s so damn ugly (botched model, ugly neck scar, weird skin texture) and his playstyle is too boring for me. Sorry nonas, I must betray you all and roll for Furina instead.

No. 466744

I rolled for Wriothesely and lost to Diluc, then got him early. Then I said fuck it and rolled for Furina and got the new wish animation and got her, then I said fuck it and rolled for a weapon now I had both characters and I got Wriothesely's weapon in my 20 pull. I spend 140 f2p pulls. I also c6 my charlotte which im happy about. This is the luckiest I've ever been in genshin.

No. 466769

>>466723
Samefagging to let you all know that I lost to Diluc… serves my ass right.

No. 466772

>>466769
Revenge of the moids!

No. 466830

>>466631
>mika in 20
>c1 tighnari also
Actually great. I'll save that guarantee for a Wanderer rerun.

No. 466868

>>466652
Normal people DID play the game. It's why the incels had to launch their own gamgergate campaign to try and "take back" gacha. It's why the idiotic "gacha feminists" on twitter are such useful idiots for incels, because they can think that more female characters means more feminist.

Genshin DID have a normie audience and now they want to piss it away to appeal to ML incels. It's now confirmed that they don't care for their old players at all.

But sunk cost runs deep and the company knows this. I heard more female players in China have caught on and are boycotting Hyv, but people in the West don't understand the gender war or they're not savvy about how gacha works which is why they think that if you think Varesa's butt animations are goonerbait then YOU'RE the misogynist. How can you even reason with people like that?

No. 466870

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C6ed him, now I can go back to ignoring banners until a 5* male shows up.

No. 466873

>>466870
Based. I’m on 50/50 so I’m just not pulling until they release a naked male character. A pity male isnt enough, he should be Nu:Carnival level slutty.

No. 466874

>>466868
Yeah during the height of Genshin's popularity I knew many people who didn't normally play gacha or JRPGs pick it up and enjoy it because it was the most "normal" of all gacha games, an action RPG with sensible designs that didn't have the coomery dialed up to 1000 nor uncomfortably sexy loli waifus. They even toned down the boob jiggle mechanics in the beginning because people complained. That's why you have so many westerners unaware of the gender wars in China raising an eyebrow at the game suddenly introducing shit like Varesa and making Mavuika a sexy biker chick when the game was known for the extensive amounts of cultural references they put into their designs of each region and treating their archons as dignified gods.

No. 466876

>>466868
The worst thing they can do for sunk costs is to devalue wasted money. If you buy a ticket for let’s say a racist singer and you can’t back out, some may still go just to get their moneys worth. But if they hear the concert is worse and they intend to extract more money from you, they won’t show up at all regardless of what they spent on the ticket.

When they reveal that night soul is completely fucking worthless in Sneznaya, and they are introducing some new mechanic that only Sneznayan characters have, people will call the game p2w and even more normies leave in droves. Western audiences dislike two things, egregious fanservice, micro transactions. The more they feel the game is just like “paying for porn”, they will flee to not be seen as creepy degenerate males. Other countries dont have the same shame. Once 50% have fled, mainly Americans, they will only double down on their scum. I can’t wait for the 7th nation to crash and burn!

No. 466986

>>466874
It's why it's very hard to get Western fandom to realize the lack of males isn't a feminist win. They don't realize the fanservice has gotten worse. We always had fanservice but it was never this blatant and so consistent with every female character. You would even think the lack of any yuri ships in Natlan would be a hint, that they fully want to pander to incels so the traveler must be the most important. But no, instead if someone points out that Citlali is waifubait and they only show Aether in the promos for a reason, they get called a misogynist and they're the ones "reducing" her to waifubait, not Mhy.

>>466876
I'd say they'd have to really fuck up some male character's story for fans to possibly get it, but then they'd be bullied by the Genshin feminists and called misogynists for wanting guys to be important even though they told us some of them would be. It's the scummiest part of the sunk cost for me. It's not just about leveling characters, it's that they gatekept the lore and true understanding of some characters for so long that many people can't quit. Venti has been teased since forever. Childe has been teased since forever, with only bits being dripfed, though given how his fans believe his treatment in Fontaine is part of the long game and not Mhy showing their true colors, I doubt they would ever wake up. We have Kaeya's connections with Khaenriah, watch that get dropped too. Albedo already got shafted for Wanderer, who himself could also get shafted. Dainsleif was already announced playable so they can't back out with him but watch them find some way to shaft him too.

No. 467093

>>466876
Yeah there's no walking back from that Nightsoul bullshit and it's absolutely going to be repeated in Snezhnaya too. Once they got the ultimate p2w mechanic, the region-locked traits, into the game, it's over. Characters have turned from reoccurring friends to one-use gimmicks you forget about the moment the next version releases because who the fuck gives a shit about the Natlan characters besides their traveling capacities. Once Natlan has been 100%'d, you will never take them out again and you'll end up repeating the same shit in Snezhnaya.

No. 467107

>>467093
Oh god.. this means if they do continue this trend then Snez is gonna have stupid ugly animals to sell merch of like the saurians. Or even worse, the f2p players must use machinery, and the fatui get giant mech robots and tanks.

No. 467165

>>467107
Snez is 100% going to have a mascot race just like the Aranaras, Melusines and saurians. I bet they're going to tone down the greendarkness out of it too because chinese incel's waifus can't be too evil or else they're absolute bitches that not even their cocks can fix.

No. 467174

>>467165
Anyone still coping that Snezhnaya will be dark or the Tsaritsa will actually be morally gray is deluded. That should have been obvious way back in Inazuma with how they handled Ei. Ei should have been the wake-up call, but instead people defended her dogshit writing and said "you can't handle morally gray women!!" until they gaslit people into thinking her character is good.

The Tsaritsa's not going to be evil or they'll find some twin bullshit to make the playable one the less bad on. She's going to be healed by the traveler. The male harbingers will die or be made into jokes like Childe, with his fans still coping that he'll get his big badass moment in Khaenriah so keep playing the games guys, let HYV cook!! No one will learn a damn thing even though Raiden Ei, the killing off of Signora, and not letting Arlecchino be an antagonist in Fontaine and pulling a previous Knave out of their assholes should have been a sign that there will never be an evil woman playable in this game. And then there's still people hoping for evil and creep Columbina and Sandrone.

No. 467176

>>467107
>>467165
I'm fucking sick of these ugly mascots so they can sell shitty merch. Do retards actually buy them?

No. 467177

>>467176
I don’t know a single person who likes saurians or even Aranaras but I know some non pedophiles that like melusines. So unless they make little Russian bear children run around, nobody is buying the merch.

No. 467182

>>467177
Melusines were full on furry lolibait and the saurians are just ugly pokemon knockoffs, but aranaras were genuinely cute and had interesting lore. They were pretty popular during Sumeru.

No. 467186

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>>465284
I think Natlan (and by and large Genshin) is suffering a "death from thousand papercuts." Weird racebending, lack of male characters, the whole VA situation, sloppy rewrites, bad character design, Ryan Johnson style subversion of expectations (people expected war and dragons and got "friendship is magic"), unnecessary gimmicks set up to show how "special" Natlan is that serve no purpose and eat up screen-time that could instead be spent getting to know characters and setting up conflicts, Mavuika being way too perfect with no flaws or a character arc, modern technology that doesn't match the world of Genshin (Natlan in particular), blatant and fanservice, shameless power-creep… Just one or two of those things may have been tolerable but all this crap together is unbearable. Oh and I haven't yet mentioned worst of all: bunch of filler content we'll have to suffer though. Up until these point we had linear progression. But Natlan felt like a whole nothing-burger. We aren't going to Snezhnaya after this, the pyro gnosis is still in Natlan, so everyone brace yourselves for Natlan 2.0… Honestly if it weren't for the gameplay and past characters and stories that I have an emotional connection with I would have dropped this game after all this BS. If it wasn't for this year's lantern rite I would've thought Genshin team lost their ability to write stories.

No. 467189

>>467177
The Aranara were some of the best parts of Sumeru, what are you on about no one likes them

No. 467195

>>467189
The aranara quest was universally hated. Everyone was moaning endlessly about how much they wanted the vegetables to just die already.

No. 467213

Based on theories they might make Childe into a girl? If they do this I hope some yume stabs Dawei.

No. 467214

>>467213
Wait, what theories? They possibly couldn't do this, they'd kill their only yume cash cow they keep milking from year to year.

No. 467215

>>467214
After Firefly you can't put anything past Mhy. There's even rumors that if they do bring Capitano back and make him playable, it would be as a female character.

From what I can gather, the Childe theories relate to some leaked artifact lore about him being the third descender who's a woman trapped in a male form. It sounds like something Mhy would do to incite gender wars and just enough for troons to claim him.

No. 467221

>>467215
Holy shit killing Childe off and making him into a female character would be absolutely brutal. Mihoyo would lose all of the Chinese female player money.

No. 467225

>>467215
>troons claiming harbingers
>again
god i sure hope not. scara, arle, and sandrone all have to deal with enough retardation as it is. cant they go bother shitty coombait chars like varesa instead?

No. 467226

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>Killing off playables
I don't think that's happening any time sooner lul
adding one of his sisters as playable is more plausible though

No. 467230

>>467221
They already lost most of them and hate female players. Don't think them pimping out some guys on official merch means they didn't already screw female players.

>>467225
Don't worry, they'll claim Sandrone because Mhy will do some fuckshit like claiming the evil side is Alain but you'll get good Mary-Ann as playable and she'll be grateful to Aether for freeing her from her brother. Varesa has troon colors so they'll claim her too and say you're a bigot if you think she looks ugly. All they need is to latch onto one line.

No. 467250

>>467195
No it wasn't. The only thing I saw people complain about was that it was too long, and that's because they were trying to do the whole damn thing in one go.

No. 467258

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My hatred for this ugly twink only increases day by day and is rapidly spurred on every time I see the most sub 50 iq harem/waifu content of him. I am baffled at how any male willingly self-inserts into this thing for sexual fulfillment, especially considering the plethora of more appealing/masculine men in the cast, let alone even manages to look at it. I feel like I'm going insane every time I see somebody, male or female, calling him cute or handsome or whatnot. I know I'm generally nitpicky and could hate on plenty of well loved genshin male designs but surely I'm not alone here? I just need to let off some steam kek
>>467226
Beautiful image anon

No. 467259

>>467215
I heard rumors that he was originally designed to be a female character back when he was supposedly going to be a permanent traveling companion with the player, but I can't see how they would do this. Would they update his model and animations or add a new character completely? I think his little sister getting added and somehow overtaking his role in the story is more likely, or they'll just have Skirk replace him.

No. 467264

>>467215
There's no way they would do that, they rely on stockholm syndrom childefags to buy their worthless physical merch

No. 467266

>>467258
Aether is so fucking ugly

No. 467309

>>467259
The theories are that he's the third descender who was originally a woman. Either they split the characters somehow or they change him into a woman. They would take advantage of female players buying merch >>467264 and then fuck them over later after years of getting their money. There's no way they would let a man be important to the story so I can see them doing some shit like this to spite female players. It would be stupid but you know the troon himejoshi would defend it.

No. 467336

>>467258
I feel a primal rage whenever one of my husbandos are shipped with this ugly faggot. I would genuinely rather ship Haikaveh than ever even suggest Aether would look good with any character. I hate him. I despise his female fans the most. He’s UGLY.

No. 467383

>>467258
He looked like such a scrote in the bath art hoyo posted and he always gives off subhuman energy in the harem/gary-stu fanart. He was cute once but became every moid who self-inserted into him.

No. 467389

Does anyone just wish the game would end now so you could lose your attachment to your favorites? Every theory only makes me angry now because I know all writing choices will be influenced by the incel audience. If the game has to flop, I want it to fully flop. No more theorists coping or people arguing that it's deep and meaningful. No more people trying to argue that their incel pandering is actually respect for women. To think I actually tried Genshin because it felt like one of the few omnipandering gachas where women wouldn't get screwed and your favorite guys wouldn't be shafted as they often are in most other games I played. For a moment they didn't seem to hate that there were guys who were popular with women, but now that's over.

No. 467472

>>467174
The only reason I’m still keeping up with this fandom is because of Snezhnaya but if it’s going to just be more waifubait-land then it might be owari da…
I wasted $400 on this game for what

No. 467475

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>>467258
Might be an unpopular opinion but I have always had a thing for jrpg protags that show their tummy, like Haseo and Luke so I like Aether's design. He is probably the only gacha male protag who has a slightly refreshing design. But yes, at the end of the day, he is just a self-insert for moids, so Aether hate is absolutely justified and based.

No. 467498

>>467389
I desperately await the games death but Hoyo is slower and lazier than mojang. Just drop the slutya update so I can rage and delete the game. Kill all my favorite characters so I can ignore you forever. Start with Kaeya and Dainslef.

No. 467504

>>467336
A nonna of good taste. I commend you and agree with you. Aether should stick with his demented waifus and stay far, far away from the male characters.

No. 467531

>>467258
His tummy and little braid are cute
It's the moids self inserting that "ruined" him because that shit carried over in the game with the Mizuki and Natlan AQ

No. 467535

>>467258
I love Aether because he's cute and I shipped him with almost every male character in the game but the way they made him into a moid self insert in Natlan and the recent Inazuma event ruined him for me and was the final reason that made me quit Genshin kek

No. 467583

>>467258
Based. I hate this ugly faggot, not only because scrotes use him for their harem fantasy but also the way retards ship Aether with the boys instead of shipping the boys with each other. This worthless turd isnt a character no matter how much TIFs want him to be.

No. 467623

>>467258
I just hate the traveler in general. I don't even care for Lumine or the male harem yumes build with her, I hate self-insert bland characters and seeing interesting characters warped into the same two stale archetypes just to fit self-insert fantasies. I wish gacha games could get rid of them. It's not a surprise the most interesting Genshin characters aren't master love ones and who have other things going on besides the traveler.

No. 467624

>>467583
Thank you! He isn’t a character and I hate it when people try and make him some big martyr. We can just go to the abyss, nobody is stopping him. According to Childe and Scaramouche, there are just holes in the abyss all over Snezhnaya! If he really wanted to do his one goal of finding his sister, he would just do that instead of having bath dates with dictators and playing stupid mini games with people he's an asshole to (Unless you’re a waifu. Remember when he yelled at Lyney for being a child soldier grooming victim, and then we glaze his groomer, but we are meant to sob for Furina who’s been a jobless aristocrat for 500 years, and Arlechinno the slave driver. We cry for Mauvika and have a dance party on Capitano’s corpse, cultural appropriation headband and all.) The only people who desperately claim the traveler not only has a personality but is also getting sick of being the hero are those who want to constantly play the victim for things that nobody forced them to do. Like self proclaimed “therapist friends” and moms. And the funniest part is that they are projecting when they do it! Almost as if Aether is a self insert who you project onto… The truth is that the traveler is a wooden doll for Incels to mash against a waifu when they get bored of large black men, ugly bastards and grey blobs. Because shipping them with a male character who is attractive and they have chemistry with is cucking but somehow everything else isn’t. I hate Aether. I would replace him with Lumine but then we have to defeat Yuritroons, an arguably worse beast than Incels and deranged fujos combined.

No. 467625

Her awful design aside, I know I won't like Skirk because she'll be another female character only liked because she can abuse a male character. Just like how much Eimiko fans love drawing Ei and Yae abusing Scaramouche, and now Citlali with Ororon. They made it so no one can hate seeing their favorite guy bashed because then it's misogyny and you hate morally grey complex women, even though they present it as something good. Childe will be bashed by Skirk while she glazes the traveler and they'll say he deserves it for being bad, while this game had no problem making everyone love Ei and Arlecchino.

No. 467628

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>>467625
That’s why I never shut up about my husbandos power level, I don’t care if they call me a misogynist, I got into powerscaling just to defend my husbando. Humble your local EiMiko fan today.

No. 467630

>>467624
People want the traveler to be this complete hero but then also the twin stans lie and say they're not a self-insert whenever anyone criticizes the protagonist centric morality. The traveler can wipe out a whole village in Sumeru and the same men who cry about Scaramouche being "Hitler" will say it was based and justified of the traveler to do that.
The traveler is poorly written and reflects the double standards of the writers. They don't really want Arlecchino to be a groomer and the traveler doesn't hate her for what she did to Furina, in fact no one does.
Judging by your comment I'm guessing you think yumes are a lesser evil but I dislike the Lumine yumes and the way all males become rape apes. The traveler just sucks no matter who they are because it's the writing and the protagonist centric morality that's the problem. When not one playable can even dislike the traveler without being a villain, there's no saving them as a mc. Too many gamers only want to be coddled and they'll threaten the devs if their needs aren't met.

No. 467631

>>467628
The problem is power levels don't matter when they love to make the men look weak and stupid and then call people misogynists if they don't like it. Just like they call people misogynists for expecting Capitano, the first harbinger, to actually put up more of a fight. They'll see incels who need male antagonists humbled (because they feel threatened) by a waifu and think it's girlboss feminism.

No. 467640

>>467213
>>467214
I'm not even a yume but changing a male character into a female one after they've been playable for years has to be some type of false advertising. At least with Sam they never made "him" playable and made Firefly playable when we knew she was Sam. It would be beyond scummy to suddenly change a character like this.

I don't know why its always women who can't have a male character and who have to accept troon shit. Nobody tells the moids to accept their waifus being turned into men, but joseimuke games have to introduce a troon character who's actually a woman, not a pretty male, and we have to shut up about it.

No. 467641

>>467631
I knew Capitano was going to get dog walked by Mauvika, I just didn’t want to accept it. The best way to defeat these people is to never relent. Even if it sounds like cope, you must defend your favs with your life. Childe fans should be as militant as they used to be. Now they just accept the disrespect.

No. 467643

Even TikTok users are catching on! Just look at the comments.

No. 468150

I went to actually check out the models for the newer games and it’s so much better looking than Genshin. What gives? Why are all Genshin characters ugly munchkins compared to models made by the same company? I know the body types are to save costs on animations, but they can’t make the models any better? Diluc, Albedo, Itto, Jean. All busted and ugly. Why not scale up any old models and animations?

No. 468182

>>468150
Two words
>Mobile adaptation
>The engine's getting old and outdated
Compared to HI3 it's still better, but unlike ZZZ, they refuse to revamp the engine to make the models better. We'll be forever stuck with noodle-arm Itto, I'm afraid.

Also kek, the jiggle physics in there.

No. 468247

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i didnt think i had it in me to be surprised by mhy anymore, but what the actual fuck is this? i was always told that genshit couldnt add limited five-stars to the standard banner because of legal reasons relating to gambling, and yet here comes honkaishit doing just that. meanwhile we're struck with the chronicled wish scam. i cant believe this shit. they really hate this game.

No. 468257

>>468247
In a previous post where I dramatically spoke about how I quit genshin, it’s all on purpose. The want to put HSR, GSI and ZZZ against each other, each getting new events and QOL while Genshin jerks off in a corner. It’s like coke being ass so you move on to sprite, because they keep improving sprite, even though coke still gets money. You’re tricked into thinking you’re winning by switching to the new and shiny game. I often ask myself, why must they make every new QOL annoying? They could make things like sanctifying elixir and encounter points much more straight forward. But they know they don’t have to, and will simply give the proper QOL to the next game. They only want to raise the bar within the company’s already narrow standards. See how ZZZ was forced to fix their weapon banner because WW got rid of 50:50 entirely? The only way Hoyo will fix their nonsense is in the latest games, AFTER being threatened by another company. Even if WW outsells Genshin 10:1, they wouldn’t even add a resin reservoir. Genshin is a relic they can’t get rid of, only ruin so that it dies faster. They are purposely trying to make you pissed/quit so you go try out HSR/ZZZ/ “Hoyo-live”. Listen to them, and quit the game!

No. 468411

>>468247
Did HSR fans even complain? Because it's basically Hoyoverse telling them to go fuck themselves for wasting so much on characters from 2 years ago. I also heard reruns didn't do well in that game. Meanwhile, Wrio and Furi both outsold onsen whore in Genshin.

>>468257
At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.

No. 468413

>>468411
Nobody cares about HSR reruns because everyone is power crept after 2 hours.

No. 468500

>>468411
I saw a claim that Mizuki outsold Mavuika which is insane if true because Mizuki's banner revenue was embarrassingly low. Genshin hit big profits during January when Mavuika's banner was running, but it was at the same time Citlali's was so it was two new limited units combined.

>>468413
This. It's useless to pull based on meta on HSR because every single unit gets a powercreep two patches later. The combat is easy as fuck anyway and you can run through bosses with autoplay unless you're a NEET completionist so there's no point in trying to chase those damage per screenshot numbers.

No. 468613

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If there was one rewrite to the plot you could make, what would it be? I would minimize the traveler completely. There should be character interaction independent of camera-with-sword-kun.

No. 468629

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>>468613
this might be too vast, but doing the harbingers justice. fully return to their og personalities as detailed in the excel leaks, and follow all the old writing team's plans for them (while guaranteeing playability for everyone). if we really have to narrow it down further, then i think my number one choice of harbinger to save from the nu-team's bullshit rewrites is obvious kek. but id really like for all of them to be treated well.

No. 468666

>>467641
Childe fans are massively beaten down due to years of Hoyo bullshit and for daring to be into his lore because fandoms have the attention spans of fish and Genshin is slow as molasses. They'll be forced to accept Skirk treating him like garbage and calling this feminism because being attracted to men is misogyny, even if it's a fictiona man.

No. 468668

>>468257
The problem here is they learn the wrong lessons from Wuwa and think it means they should pander only to incels who want ML. They want people to get into their new games but also can't finish the story in Genshin and need to prolong Snezhnaya even more for reasons I can't understand.

>>468411
>
At that point we just need a proper mixed gacha game or another non-LADS husbando game to put the final nail in Genshin's coffin.
This will never happen thanks to Snowbreak and the gender war that it started. I hate when people use LADS as an example because it's an otome game, it's a different genre, it's not relevant when people talk about adding more men into gachas that aren't dating Sims and are anime based story games. Japan can make mixed gacha games without this drama, but they're so bad at handling and marketing these games that they all go EOS rather quickly unless it's like FGO. Look how they fumbled Tribe Nine.

No. 468670

>>468668
The gender war has completely doomed the writing and operation for all future gacha games, as all high budget gacha will just follow genshin’s footsteps incessantly because the industry cannot improve as it is 80% moid and 10% pickme. If Genshin takes a position, so will they. That’s why Brant is gonna be the only male for the next 6 years in WuWa, no matter how good his banner is. Genshin makes 100m by shirking men and killing off the most anticipated male character aside from Varka or Dottore, and people still praise the terrible Natlan story and whore characters.

No. 468788

>>468668
>Japan can make mixed gacha games without this drama, but they're so bad at handling and marketing these games that they all go EOS rather quickly unless it's like FGO. Look how they fumbled Tribe Nine.
Yep, exactly. Japan is much less restricted by the gender wars but they constantly fumble their games by using outdated game design, try to chase trends 4 years too late, generate no hype around their properties (compared to the huge amount of collabs Genshin launched during its first year), ignore international marketing entirely and drag their feet localizing anything because boo hoo foreign stuff hard and scary so they fail and fade into obscurity. I'm guessing it's because of the massive Chinese diaspora that people in their country have better overseas connections but I don't know. They're busy fumbling their own games though too because mainstream westerners simply don't like hentai waifu games, that's why HI3 never became popular here.

No. 468792

>>468668
>japan is better at handling mixed gacha games
>muh gender wars
Fucking kek. The only thing they are "better" at is not milking female audience and giving them false hope. Japanese mixed games are even more unfair (which is why joseimukes are so popular), you are just fooled by the fact that they don't mind giving men horny designs sometimes (while sexualising 99% of female characters).

No. 468808

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Genshin just released loreshit and lorefags took the bait. They never really learn from disappointment. Worse even, they're bringing back the Capitano copium.

No. 468826

>>468808
how can someone take the lore seriously after the mess that Natlan was? the devs showed that they clearly don't give a fuck about worldbuilding, why should people do when it's just going to be promo for new waifu with extra honkai fuckery

No. 468835

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>>468808
I can't take this seriously anymore. What is this the hype-train for? Let me wager a guess, we will get not one, not two, but three slutted up porn OCs - each having the hobby repertoire of five others but the personality of none - for each of the moons who will be hapless waifus to jiggle around a completely shallow, retconned plot. Hoyo will fire off all the tropes in the world in the most uninspired way possible, none of it will make sense, not even if Ashikai tries to overclock her brains over it on youtube, but the background music will be bearable and the animators will work 72-hour shifts without a moment of sleep to make it look passable. All the gooners will applaud it with a standing ovation. Some chinafags will boycott hoyo because not enough "loli"s getting porned up, but it will be swept under the rug. I don't expect a lick less embarrassing than this scenario.

No. 468836

>>468808
I literally don't get it, what is meant to be connected here?? Are they just making up new lore to connect?

No. 468837

>>468836
whatever takes out all the "interesting" from this story is being connected in there

No. 468838

>>468835
Oh, oh! One last thing to check off, if you want any of the moons to be male, you get called a raging misogynist because the moons also symbolize divine womb menstrual femininity earth ocean Celestia 'n sheeeiiit! Even though the sun is also female, and so is the sky.

No. 468839

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>>468826
Imagine being this delusional and thinking Dottore will do something else than be evil and die.
>>468835
The only thing I'm looking forward is how it coànnects to Paimon. But since it's way too fucking early, we will only have crumbs that will end up being not important or retconned because some incel complained about male character having more than 2s of screentime.

No. 468840

>>468839
huffs copium When they're low on revenue they'll release Dottore and Capitano together as a meta healer support that power creeps Xilonen, and Capitano makes cryo physical DPS cool again.

No. 468841

>>468840
maybe in one quintillion years kek, these scrotes would rather go bankrupt than make female players happy, see the whole natlan fiasco

No. 468842

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>>468838
Yes, yes, PRECISELY, everything symbolizes the divine feminine, the holy mother, the fierce crone, the fifth dimension folding into the eternal and harmonious low vibrations of the in-between realm of the spiritworld, but only, and I said ONLY as long as they're also self-humiliating strippers who make my microdee hard.

No. 468843

>>468841
Dottore will be the first hydro claymore 5star, and he uses hp manipulation by stealing and redistributing hp, and is basically a buff funnel. Capitano makes superconduct usefully for when Foul legacy Childe comes out. Capitano and Dottore will dethrone Neuv and Furina! I swear! (I'll stop my fanfiction.)

No. 468859

>People talking about Childe being a girl again
I'd rather him not be important at all than have them do this. It would be beyond scum for them to advertise him as a male character for years and put out art of him to keep female players around to suddenly say he's a girl and a completely different character all along. But of course people will be called misogynists if they don't want this. You don't see men being told their waifus should turn into secret male characters.

No. 468861

>>468843
They will also change the models and make Itto buff, Diluc will get cured from his Down's Syndrome and Albedo will be important for the Lore again. Let's not forget that Dainself will be a playable as a hydro sword that will be support for Kaeya that will get a buff and a nice new abyss outfit.
Varka will be a buff guy that will have an interesting rivalry with Capitano and there's going to be a cool trailer in which he personally fights against him outside Mondstadt while venti is hurt on the floor and with the help of Noelle who will look cool as fuck while fighting because she's more than a meido now.

No. 468865

>>468861
Nonnie…… this is making my heart ache because this would've been a plausible outcome in 1.x but it's just a joke.

No. 468866

>>468861
They will fix Diluc, Itto and Albedo when Genshin 2 comes out in 2036, because model updates are really hard! But the waifus get entirely new models to compensate for the extra boob and butt ofc.

No. 468867

>>468859
caps? I genuinely haven't seen any of this theorizing or found any when I've searched for it, but I'm curious.

No. 468868

I stopped playing this game because my phone could no longer handle the amount of storage is required for the updates kek. I liked the fighting aspect, that’s it. Story was meh and Childe will always be my favorite

No. 468869

>>468835
>none of it will make sense, not even if Ashikai tries to overclock her brains over it on youtube
KEKKKK. i sometimes wonder exactly how much lore will have to be retconned and shat on for these big lorefags to get the memo already, though i also wouldnt put it past those retards to know exactly what theyre doing either. theyre just taking advantage of people's hopes for money/clout and actively deluding fans into thinking there will be a worthwhile payoff and that there are no retcons in ba sing se, exactly like mhy does.

No. 468875

>>468808
People will keep falling for this shit because Genshin is good at making you think something will happen and as long as they make a surface level reference to Utena that's enough for people to call it peak. Remember these people think that Honkai Impact is feminist because it has yuri.

No. 468880

>>468835
It's all just to make Honkai again and people who like eating the same shit from Mhy over and over will praise it and call this feminism.

No. 468881

why are they so obsessed with honkai anyways? you'd think by now that they learned pretty much nobody but basement dwelling moids likes scifi waifuslop when genshin went popular with a fantasy aesthetic

No. 468882

>>468881
Because it's Dawei's baby and he needs everyone to love his waifus.

No. 468883

>>468881
Dawei is a mentally stunted manchild who never grew past the ocdonutsteels and shitty fanfics he wrote as a social reject

No. 468885

>>468875
I actually don't think Hoyoverse is good at anything except making wonderful promises. They promise updates, a good game, change, finished characters, racial representation (well they never promised that), and high expectations, longterm support. They can make a hundred promises and fill none of them easily, the company is so big at this point, people will just lie to themselves. They promise you a villian, give you an edgy hero, and people will just make up stories of her villiany.

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>>468880
truth be told, scrotes will call everything from photosynthesis to the kitchen sink "feminism" except for actual feminism, so this checks out.

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>>468859
Childe schizo theories are fun to read and laugh at, but I very seriously doubt they can do something like that with a playable character. I have not played Genshin in almost two years, but I remember there was a time when a semi-popular theory claimed that Childe and the Tsaritsa were lovers in previous samsara cycles, based on the description of Ballad of the Fjords and the Pale Princess fairytale. Childefags are some of the most delusional people because they keep trying to connect him with Phanes and the Third Descender and Jesus, and other things. Just today, I saw them trying to find connections between Childe and the Moon Sisters kek.

>>468808
I don't understand how anyone can feel excited for the "lore" in Genshin. The game does not have any stakes whatsoever, and every other key player is the most generic, half-naked Mary Sue waifu. Since Paimon is being speculated to be the new moon, I suppose she will get a new form where she is dressed like a hooker.

No. 468888

>>468881
Imagine if Hazbin hotel was made by an incel moid. So instead of obsessing over yaoi ships and Tumblr sexymen for 15 years, they obsess over ugly anime girls and Yuri ships for 15 years. Even if the whole world says its ass, they won't relent.

No. 468889

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>>468867
Search Childe and third descender and you'll see it.

No. 468891

>>468887
Does that /71 indicate that there are 71 pages of this? Are Childe fans this delusional?! And I thought Capitano coping was drug fueled…

No. 468893

>>468887
I understand why Childe theories are so schizo because imagine being edged for five years about a character's basic lore. We know nothing about his time in the Abyss or his Vision story and Mhy withholds it on purpose. He's the best example of how annoying Genshin storytelling is. They don't provide any answers, just more questions, but they don't do this because it's good storytelling like Mhy glazers think. They do it because it creates sunk cost and keeps players from leaving. Although if they hate female players so much I don't know why they do this beyond sadism and contempt.

Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers. Don't let him actually interact with Skirk. Childe's character can't actually go anywhere until Snezhnaya, but instead of criticizing Mhy for it his fans think there's some feast waiting at the end. Making a character who was advertised as male into a woman feels like it must be breaking some consumer law here, but Childe fans are some of the most cucked and will be beaten down by "feminists" into accepting something so stupid.

No. 468894

>>468885
And they have people calling it peak and Arlecchino such a complex character that people can't "handle". But they don't want her to actually do anything. Just say that she's complex but not have to deal with their favorite doing anything actually morally objectionable. She's the safest "morally gray" character there is, only killing rich pedos.

No. 468896

>>468875
> Remember these people think that Honkai Impact is feminist because it has yuri.
Ironically enough, neither Hoyo, nor Kuro celebrated Women's International Day. Weird, according to yuritrannies, these companies were supposed to be feminist for devliering stronk wahmen, yuri and cuntserving.

No. 468897

>>468894
The whole pedo thing enraged me. Child trafficking is only bad when other people do it, but Arle loves all the orphaned vulnerable children she kidnaps, brainwashes, abuses, and then turns into child soldiers that are slaughtered by the dozen. Lore wise, Dottore is arguably kinder, at least he's trying to cure a deadly disease, Arlechinno has zero reason to do this to kids! They wrote a morally reprehensible character but since she must appeal to men first and foremost, she must be bleached of all her evil. So at the last possible second they throw in an evil pedophile sob story. How dare you? It made me despise her and her fans. But you Nonnas changed my mind, and I feel bad for you, she was sabotaged.

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>>468889
Get ready to be called a misogynist if you don't call Childe a she/her.

No. 468899

>>468889
>imagine liking a character and then they completely change. worse than death.
as a harbingerfag, this sounds familiar…

No. 468901

>>468898
This is a total win, you get to eat popcorn watching ftm and mtf Childe fans fight.

No. 468902

>>468896
It's funny none of the Hoyo "feminist" yuri accounts mention that fact at all. If someone brought it up they'd get harassed because Hoyo is just a simple indie company trying to tell us good stories.

>>468897
Then people get angry if you say Arle is abusing children because they like the idea of her caring for them more and Hoyo only leans into that. Her fans don't want her to be doing anything wrong. They want a slightly strict orphanage matron. That's not a morally grey characters but they'll gaslight and act smug like they can handle such a complex woman but when you look at the content of her it's just her caring for kids or being an uwu soft girlfriend to Furina. Nothing that makes her any different than any other woman in this game.

No. 468903

>>468859
>>468898
The thought of HYV gender bending Childe just made me so irate I can feel myself getting a literal headache. Time to close this thread and pretend the game is still in 1.1 era to cope

No. 468905

>>468899
Seriously, CAN they even do this? I know Hoyo hates female players but considering they put Childe on art twice now to keep husbando fans from leaving, that would be beyond scummy to do. It's one thing to change a character from their initial perception before they're playable. We knew Scaramouche would become Wanderer and Arlecchino was already watered down. We knew SAM was Firefly before she was playable. We didn't get SAM playable for years and then they went sike! Actually it's a girl in there! I can't think of any gacha game doing something like this.

>>468901
The last thing we need is for Childe to be hit by troons and become another Arashi from Enstars. This makes absolutely no sense, who wants this? I want to say there's no way they could do this but knowing how Hoyo is I can't dismiss that they would do this for spite. I want to say that it's a delusional troon but Hoyo just might validate it.

No. 468908

>>468903
Notice how you'll never see anyone ask for a female character to turn male but husbando fans have to want their male faves become women. Both yumes and fujos get called "man obsessed" so they should want their husbandos to be women. Just like there's anti fujo Zhongli stans who say he's not really a man so they can spend their time on twitter calling other women whores for liking male characters.

No. 468959

>>468891
Kek yes, that entire thread was trying to establish a connection between Childe and seelies. It is funny because all these theorists still sincerely believe that male characters like Childe, Capitano, and Dottore hold so much plot relevance, while in the actual game they keep getting humiliated and mocked by waifus. Dottore got outsmarted by a retarded toddler. It doesn't get more embarrassing than that.

>>468893
>Childe's part in Fontaine is the Mhy formula. Don't give any answers.
Exactly - everyone was so hyped up for that whale calling to him, but then it turns out it was just a pet. At this point, I just wonder what will happen to Childe in the future. Why would they want to waste time on a male character, especially one that cannot help them generate revenue. Maybe they could give him an alternate form like Dan Heng, but that will never happen in genshit. They will probably replace him with Tonia.

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>>468959
You don’t understand nonna, Dottore merely tricked Nahida into thinking she won. He can make new segments at the drop of a hat and despite him lack of knowledge of Scaramouche the ley lines would have just gifted him new, more profound understanding of how to make segments regardless of Ei’s prototype. So him erasing all of those versions of himself was extremely temporary and with the leaks of extra masks proves that we will see the creation of new segments in Nod Krai. Hes the man that outsmarted the goddess of wisdom herself! The second of the eleven fatui harbingers, a man made god!

No. 468993

>>468897
Now that you mention it, yeah, when you put it that way Dottore was simply trying to cure a deadly disease ravaging the country by putting children through his experiments, not out of sadistic pleasure. Arlecchino had no reason to groom child soldiers by torturing them. I would've accepted and cherished an actually evil Arlecchino but you're not even supposed to see her as a villain like Dottore is framed as, she's just a wooby mommy friend who exists only to strap Furina self inserters.

>>468898
Good fucking lord.

No. 469021

>>468993
And just to embarrass him further, they then had Nahida cure Elezar in the end, because of course! He’s never allowed to win, humiliated, mischaracterized, and ignored. If they hated him so much why not just leave him as a one off villain in the manga? Why must they torture us?

No. 469134

Knowing that incels won and their constant crying of "homo" means the game will be rewritten to make the male characters less important when stupid Hoyo is the one who made some of them important in the first place. I hate this fandom that keeps acting like these choices made for incels are feminist and calls people cock obsessed if they complain.

No. 469140

>>468889
Oh it's this guy who also believes the endgame is Childe being with Ann, the oceanid NPC who's his destined partner.

>>468903
They're already calling people transphobic for not liking this idea because wanting a character to stay the gender the company made them playable as is bad. So many are treating it as true that I want to stab Da Wei and I'm not even a yume.

No. 469150

>>468792
>milking female audience and giving them false hope.
So just like Mhy.

You are right about their games though, the closest non omnipandering game they have is Granblue Fantasy but even that game became a slog. Joseimuke gets no real budget or involves collecting cards and rarely branches out. I wish we could get an anime game that caters to everyone without throwing female players under the bus. Genshin was that and now isn't anymore. I do feel like Japan could be the only place to make a game that could shake things up, but they're so bad at gachas and managing their games that I don't expect much.

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>>468969
So this is all a part of Dottore's 5D chess, galaxy brain strategy. It all makes sense now, I KNEEL.

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>>469150
>BRUH NIGGA SO PEAK
Shonentards never get the memo kek

No. 469272

>>469229
It never occurred to be there would be a sizable amount of male schitzos in the fandom as I've seen only female fans actually like the characters and lore. Well, except for the honkincels. I guess he's just one of them.

No. 469385

>>468898
If this became canon, some chinese yume would try to get the HYV headquarters Kyoani'd

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Lorefags, I have a genuine question. How many questions in the genshin lore have actually been answered? All I see is that they keep adding things on to a mile long lore document with a billion open ends but nothing even has an ending. Has there been a thing they foreshadowed early on and then actually delivered on? There was Scaramouche being related to Raiden, but it was never a super secret theory.

No. 469499

>>468959
This is why I'm paranoid they really will make him a girl. I can't think of anything else they'll do since they won't waste any development on a character they can't sell anymore. They'll keep his fans around with some merch, but nothing good in story. Childe lorefags couldn't accept that he was treated badly in Fontaine. If it wasn't his time to shine then he shouldn't have been there. It was just to generate some hype but they refuse to admit that he wasn't done well there, or that Mhy is under no obligation to actually give him a good story in lore because they only care about sales. They keep thinking that Mhy values this story so much.

>>469385
I wish someone would just to get them to stop pandering to incels so much.

>>469400
Nothing. This keeps being compared to lazzo and look how the hype from that turned out. We got boring harbingers. But people will lap up any slop Mhy gives them, so they think Arlecchino wasn't retconned. How do you reason with people like that?

No. 469501

>>469499
I don’t understand lore obsession especially when they never confirm anything! At least in Gravity falls it was purposeful and they answered some stuff. But here they just paste AI stories into books and artifacts and the lore people go crazy like any of it will matter in the end. Genuine delusion.

No. 469519

This game sucks
>Mizuki: prostitute
>Mavuika: prostitute
>Varesa: prostitute
>Chasca: prostitute
>Xilolen: prostitute
>Citlali: prostitute
>Mualani: prostitute
>Skirk: prostitute
Prostitute impact. I fucking hate this game so much.

No. 469566

>>469519
It’s always been prostitute impact, they just have been allowed to get away with it now. Rosaria had to be censored twice. But at least she was a nobody throwaway 4 star. Now we have to stare at the prostitutes ass all day because those are the only characters.

No. 469569

>>469566
Kek, I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this way. Like, I think Fischl and Mona are cool characters to an extent, but they’re both running around in see-through lingerie, even though they’re from 1.x/2.x.

No. 469571

>>469569
I feel like they have a guy specifically for making these characters. Like he made black swan, fischl, Mona, etc. They used to bring him out once in a while, but now he just runs the design team.

No. 469592

>>469501
They make you think they will answer something and people go crazy because they're buying into the bullshit that their favorite will be important. It's a cycle, so people then see the fruition of some lore as peak even if it's a minor scene. All they need to see is a cutscenes of pitybait or fighting to call it peak. We know this is all about them trying to get their Honkai waifus into the game and people still listen to Honkai fans and think those girls are just so good that they need to be reused over and over.

No. 469593

>>469571
Exactly, honestly, I want to remember the good designs of girls, like Noelle, she's cute and cool, there's also Ayaka, Barbara, Chiori, Diona, Qiqi, Klee, Kujou Sara, Sucrose, Xinyan and Yun Jin. I think they're the characters that I just can't hate because they're actually well done and have toned down coom aspects.

No. 469596

>>469593
There is no such thing. The female artists reining in the males are gone. Both Yun Jin and Barbra have visible underwear. But back then, they were so normal, nobody noticed or cared. As the teams shifted, so did the prominence of coom. The last hurrah of women at Hoyoverse was in Fontaine. There were female artists confirmed to have made Furina and Chiori, and where are they now? Hoyoverse didnt cave to Korean Incels, but Chinese ones. We will never revive another Chiori or even so much as a Arlechinno.

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>>469596
>>469593
Speaking of design, they're now getting away with a blatant copypaste of the pose and the JP VA.

No. 469616

>>469614
hope hoyoscum gets sued

No. 469617

>>469614
Thank you Lord! A lawsuit! They have finally run out of ideas and now the moids have began to cannibalize each other's slop to shit out more slop. May the verdict be swift.

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saw this getting throw around and kek, imagine being so up your own ass you're confused as to why your gigastacy biker mary sue flopped

No. 469633

>>469632
It's unsurprising they only interviewed males. They sent me a form for one of those survey things but I never heard back the second I filled in that I was a woman.

No. 469634

>>469632
Capitano is dead or they scrapped him, it’s over everyone, go home. Can’t wait for mtf Childe, loli Tsaritsa and Pantalone’s daughter.

No. 469641

>>469634
That doesn't make sense. They wouldn't be excited in that case, they'd just leave at "we can't discuss that". They're going to bring him back somehow, but I'm concerned it's going to be as some slutty waifu.

No. 469642

>>469632
I think it's kinda hilarious how Genshin writers fell into the "strong female character TM" trap. Seriously, if Mavuika came out a few years ago in a western game so many people would call her woke. The problem here isn't that she's cool and powerful and beautiful. There are plenty of well written female characters like that in Genshin. I also expected the Pyro archon to be cool and powerful. The problem is that that's all Mavuika is. There's no depth to her. Hoyo were so scared of making Mavuika fail or falter or be vulnerable or display any flaws at all that they made her inhuman. She always has to be in the right and be better than everyone. How are we meant to feel anything for her? Be concerned for her?

No. 469666

>>469632
>Hoyo is focused on Fatui Harbringers
But they just killed Capitano off after offscreening him for the major part of act V. Unless ESL-kun meant chapter 6?

No. 469670

>>469641
Yes that is exactly why they are excited. If everyone loves male Capitano, then “Capitano’s secret protege that wasn’t Childe who happens to be a short female” should theoretically sell x2, making Genshin’s version of Firefly. That is why they are happy, not because he’s coming back.

No. 469672

>>469632
I love how this shows how unsure they were about her, even they couldnt have faith in their own garbage product made for scrotes.

No. 469679

>>469614
According to leaks current Mihoyo staff is obsessed with Wuthering Waves now so we can expect more plagiarism, leaks are saying that Castorice in HSR is basically going to be a Shorekeeper ripoff and forced waifu like Firefly was in Penacony. There are also rumors about how they gave Mavuika her stupid bike to ape Scar from WuWa because they thought it was cool. It's like Chinese gacha game incest.

>>469632
It genuinely baffles me how blind they are to the peoples' aversion to Mary Sues. Of course nobody would give a shit about Mavuika when you make her perfect in every way. I absolutely hated Ei but at least she pissed me off enough to hate her for being a horrible character in the story, for Mavuika I felt basically nothing because that's the imprint she left on me.

>>469641
He's absolutely going to be resurrected as a waifu. Mark my words.

No. 469683

>>469679
According to the same leaks and to the ending of Natlan's quest, he's likely coming back as the human incarnation of Yohualtecuhtin the lord of the night (female), since he fused with her to spite Ronova as a last minute asspull.
Watch yuritrannies and goonminists cheering up because "icky male got female'd we won sisters".

No. 469684

>>469679
It’s an inside job. Kurobots are purposefully working for Hoyo to make it shit so we play WuWa.

No. 469689

>>469634
>mtf Childe
Please tell me this isn't actually happening.

>>469679
This makes me despise Wuwa now. I know Snowbreak is the holy grail for incels, but the fact that people want all gacha to be like Wuwa with nothing but girls all being ML for a bland male MC makes me wish Wuwa would EOS.

No. 469693

>>469689
Of course if is nonnie, they’re going to make Wanderer a pooner too so they can re-release him as a girl to appease the cat-killers in China.

No. 469694

>>469670
Moids are so stupid. It's pathetic of them because most incels won't be coming back. They still hate the way Mhy tries to pander to everyone, so it only creates a fanbase where the moids need to see everything destroyed. No one wanted Capitano to be a waifu, but I guess after everyone expected retcon Arle and gets angry if people say she was retconned, Mhy fans will slurp anything up and defend that choice too.

No. 469709

>>469632
Where was this posted? I hope the devs are getting roasted.

No. 469727

Why are they trying to troon Childe now? I'm getting pissed the more I keep seeing lorefags talk about it.

No. 469732

>>469614
>>469616
Will they even get sued? What happened to the HSR plagiarism lawsuit?

No. 469759

>>469689
I just don't get who wants to play a gacha game with the gender ratio of 4:1. Incels will still bitch about those few men left, husbandofags aren't gonna bother with the game and normies/metafags/lorefags will notice gender difference that big.

No. 469772

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>>469617
>Thank you Lord! A lawsuit! They have finally run out of ideas and now the moids have began to cannibalize each other's slop to shit out more slop. May the verdict be swift

No. 469776

>>469759
I'm presuming it's the Asian gachacel moids who get off to complaining about the male characters because they can channel their hatred for women at them (so they're essentially ragebait like the Chinese doomer account claims or only exist to make male players feel like chads like Ororon was) and the hypercucked Asian fangirls who think the sexy loli waifu and hentai titcow are cute because they've been been desensitized to the extreme sexualization of female characters and are willing to look the other way just because they hyperfixate on the one bishounen male character that gets released per year.

No. 469800

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I know we talk alot about Arelechinno being ruined, but look at skirk! Even if her old designs were coom at least they resembled the abyss instead of a honkai girl with a 2016 Roblox galaxy outfit. She looks like a royale high reject! Genuinely awful. The feared warrior is another short lolibaba. Citlali, they made you a friend!

No. 469816

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>>469800
Nah. THIS was the real Skirk design robbery.

No. 469817

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Having a sister and being an Hoyo character is literally a death sentence. You don't get to have your own character arc, you're doomed to eternally glaze your sister while you yourself sit happily in the cuck corner. God forbid you get to show an ounce of personality or have any kind of interest that isn't related to your sibiling. This applies to Ayato, Lyney, Sunday and will probably apply to Childe as soon as we step foot in Nod Krai / Snezh.

No. 469822

>>469800
Fuck. This is incredible.

No. 469825

>>469800
I really wish that Skirk was a tall model, it doesn't make any sense to me that she's going to look like a little girl. Her design is so hideous I haven't even seen any mommy dommy porn of her and Childe, not even scrotes like her.

No. 469845

>>469817
Don't forget about Albedo and Barbara, even though the writers clearly did. Another tinfoil, notice how theres little to no blood brothers compared to sisters? Freminet and Kaeya are all adopted. It's all to appeal to one specific type of creep, but the inverse never gets to happen. Just like theres 9 children, and all of them happen to be female, despite the child model being inherently unisex.

No. 469847

>>469845
Childe has his NPC brother Teucer, but thats about it for little brothers. I never noticed that odd discrepancy before, weird. You'd think they'd at least want to get one or two moids with a self-inserty little brother with a big sister.

No. 469850

>>469817
Lyney being reduced into glazing and loredumping about Lynette was one of the worst slaps in the face I've endured in Genshin because he was such an interesting character (a magician's apprentice who's being groomed into becoming the next father of raising child soldiers) but all of his dialogue is just Lynette this and Lynette that while Lynette's entire personality is just being a silly kuudere. I can't believe how they have all these exciting premises for characters and just don't use them. Ayato had the same fate. He was framed as a manipulative man going through real shit to restore his family's grace yet he ended up being a wingman to Ayaka.

No. 469853

>>469850
Nona gets me. Words can't express how big my disappointment was when he was reduced to Lynette circlejerking in this year's birthday art. God I hate these scrote devs.

No. 469855

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>>469817
This. And aside from Lyney and Lynette, it is always the sister who is the sweet, approachable one with zero real flaws, while the brother ends up as the duty-bound, evil keikaku master working from the shadows to protect his sister’s smile. They never give the female sibling actual believable flaws, she is always the flawless waifu who only thinks about love and peace. I have noticed this with Ayaka, Robin, and Serval. And I am pretty sure Tonia and Childe will also have a similar dynamic. Hoyo writers seem completely incapable of writing female characters with realistic flaws. At most, they will make her a terrible cook (Therta, Ei) or a self-obsessed narc who cannot shut up about how kawaii she is (Elysia, M7).

No. 469856

>>469855
I've never played HI3 but literally everything I've learned about Elysia after Amphoreus came out in HSR makes me hate her and wish that her expy is never introduced in either game.

No. 469857

>>469856
unfortunately that's exactly what's happening in hsr.

No. 469866

>>469856
She is unironically the biggest Mary Sue created by Hoyoverse. She makes characters like Mavuika and Firefly look flawed and interesting in comparison. Amphoreus has been okay so far, but I'm pretty sure it will turn into an endless Cyrene glaze fest once the story starts focusing on her. And people will lap it up as peak transcendental writing because incels and trannies just love the trope of the flawless, overpowered waifu sacrificing herself to save humanity.

No. 469869

>>469847
They can’t even fit in oneeshota like with MeiMei and UiUi despite it being a male fantasy of having a big sister, because of the mere chance a female shotacon somewhere might benefit. Even though male children pose the LEAST threat, they hate male characters so much they can’t even scrape together a pity 4 star. Xbalanque was a free 5 star must pull right there and they couldn’t resist making him an NPC. I’m not even a shotafag but it makes me irrationally angry they’ll make a ton of girls, an entire race of exclusively female furry lolis but ONE male child/sibling is too many. Shameless pedophiles.

No. 469996

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Genshin posts a few white day arts and one out of the three is the fucking robot dog. They truly do not give a shit about their female player base anymore.

No. 469997

What the actual fuck was that White Day art? The Ororon one was fine, made me think we were off to a good start, then Sethos calls you a whore and the fucking robot dog shows up and tells you to imagine that you have macarons? Like I'm apparently expected to imagine that I'm looking at a White Day art of my husbando?

No. 469999

>>469997
>>469996
>Ororon
>Sethos
They truly chose the least non-threatening males for scrotes. God forbid we get a Kinich or a Wrio or literally any other male character actual females are interested in.

No. 470004

>>469996
They could have done an NPC like Cassiodor, Xavier, one of the male Natlan tribe chiefs, Iaune, hell even Hook if they really wanted it to be a robot, and they chose the dog?

No. 470005

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>Valentine's get Citlali (THE waifufag character), Shenhe (Token porny character) and Melusines (Token furry character)
>White day is literally who cares #1, literally who cares #2, literally who cares #3 (which is a robot DOG by the way)
This truly felt like their biggest "fuck you" to women so far. Guess I'm off replaying my favorite otomes for white day since I know the stream will probably be more waifu wanking.

No. 470007

>>470004
>dog
I'm not one to cry out misogyny at every single little thing but this is such a painfully obvious jab at women. Mind you, they're capable of featuring human characters in Valentine's, since they featured Jeht, they simply choose not to because they see women as less than human.

No. 470010

>>469996
At this point anyone still willingly playing hoyoshit is a masochist who enjoys being humilated

No. 470013

File: 1741931034178.jpg (1.35 MB, 1284x840, ghglhl.jpg)

>>470010
Normalfags are way too gullible. Many women are seeing this as a genshin problem, not a hoyo problem in general. I have already seen so many posts claiming HSR is superior just because it had the better White Day lineup, when the reality is that both games are garbage when it comes to how they treat their female player base.

No. 470020

>>470013
>Please play HSR, we need free publicity
The neverending HSR shilling never fails to get me keek. Waifuslop like ZZZ and HSR will never get the mass appeal like Genshin no matter how much Da Wei astroturfs them

No. 470021

>>470020
I don’t care if the male characters in HSR get naked, I’m not touching turn based slop no matter what. I already quit Genshin, their uggos don't motivate me to do anything and I sure as fuck won’t move to ZZZ.

No. 470024

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>>469996
>Here’s your gift from a emo cabbage farmer who gets bitched by Aether’s whore
>Here’s your gift from the uggo yaoi shill, with his creepy radioactive eyes
>Here’s your gift from a fucking fake dog, because you’re a stupid bitch for staying here!
Happy white day sisters!

No. 470036

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>>470010
HSR still has more bishounen and hot men than Genshin which only has Childe, Zhong, Ayato, Wriothesley and…yeah that's about it

No. 470037

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>>470013
As lolcow’s resident Sethosfag allow me to say that even I wasn’t happy with this. Just another disingenuous example of Hoyoverse using my poor boy as a disarming tool for moids after the whole Scaramouche birthday debacle. At this point I just wish they would forget he exists so I can live in peace.

No. 470043

>>470036
And those bishounen and hot men in HSR are still treated like second class citizens compared to the waifushit. Genshin treating its female players like the dried shit in Dawei’s ass doesnt make HSR good.

No. 470057

>>470013
What a shitshow.

No. 470065

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ifa

No. 470067

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>>470005
The one-two punch of the retarded white day picks and revealing Ifa's ugly as sin design today on the stream. Wow. Are there any female devs left on the team at all? Whoever designed Varesa and Ifa should be shot.

No. 470069

>>470065
Wtf he looks fugly as shit it's probably on purpose

No. 470072

>>470067
>>470065
I like his droopy eyes, i feel like his outfit could be tweaked a little and he'd fit in minus the flying little shit. too bad he's a natlan character so he probably won't be allowed to be interesting and/or will just be treated as ororon fujobait.

No. 470073

>>470065
Omg he has the downs just like Diluc! And… Laya or whatever her name is

No. 470074

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>>470065
It's true, they do love ripping off things from the better devs

No. 470076

>>470074
dear lord spoiler this creature

No. 470077

>>469869
Preach.
>>470007
They really said "here, go fuck a dog."
>>470067
What in the smooth criminal… His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.

No. 470079

>>470067
>anemo
>teased for future patches
He's going to be the token male 5 isn't he. RIP my savings for Dahlia 5. Not that I had any hope to begin with.

No. 470081

>>470074
My first thought too, but if I try to give a little grace maybe Ifa's hat looks like the kind safari guides wear. It's no secret they've been watching Wuwa like a hawk, though.

No. 470083

>>470077
>His face is actually really cute and his skin suits it, but they just had to make his outfit busy af and not even in the Tighnari way.
this is exactly how I feel, his fit looks terrible. how the fuck did we go from alhaitham and wriothesley to this?
just wishing he's a 4 star so I can get him with standard wishes now.

No. 470085

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>>470067
He looks normal in the art, it’s just another Diluc, Albedo, Itto situation where the model is ugly but the art makes them look handsome. I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer this. What a mystery!

No. 470086

>>469850
It sucks because Lyney was actually supposed to be yumebait, he always cared about lynette but he's also one of the male characters who was really into tabibito however of course the moids at hoyo got mad and turned him into a siscon.
>>470065
I personally like the droopy eyes and the neck tattoo. His outfit is ugly

No. 470088

>>470065
Holy shit he looks low effort enough to pass as an altered NPC model. He's horrendously ugly.

No. 470089

I'm pretty sure Ifa is gonna be a 5 star. As for his ugly model, all the natlan characters are ugly as fuck so it only makes sense he's also ugly

No. 470090

>>470065
I think its his hat thats making him look weird, without it he'd look fine. I don't really like how the strap from it makes it seem like he's wearing earbuds too.

No. 470091

>>470067
Inb4 the deluge of shitty, uncreative Ifa/Ororon fics because it's "canon". Barf.

No. 470092

>>470074
Ifa is ugly but he's not THAT hideous.

No. 470094

>>470067
I actually stopped playing like 2 months ago because of the horrendous Natlan designs. Wrio rerun almost made me come back, but after seeing this. Holy shit fire everyone who worked on the natlan designs because they are so ass

No. 470096

>>470094
>Alright men, if we don’t release another male they’ll catch on, what can we shit out design wise?
>Well what are the most popular male characters?
>Wriothesley, Neuvilette, Alhaitham, Capitano
>Eh, let’s just take the weakest one there and ape him. Women like scars and droopy eyes right?
>What are the WuWa guys doing?
>Fedora men with terrible blue coloring
>Perfect, let’s make him a 4 star

No. 470097

>>470096
Kek, to make it even worse Ifa is anemo. We already have so many male anemo characters.
>inb4 but he is our first tall male anemo character!
I literally dont care. Collecting only male characters sucks because i already have to many on field and offield anemo characters. Make it stop

No. 470098

>>470096
>let’s make him a 4 star
Nah he'll be a 5 star

No. 470100

Codes for whoever missed them

GI55Teteocan

GoGoVaresa0326

Coachlansan0326

No. 470101

Are there really not going to be any other Pyro characters in Natlan? Do they really need to make Mavuika even more special?

No. 470102

>>470100
today sucked so bad I don't even want to log in to get the primos

No. 470103

>anemo
Fuck this gay shit

No. 470104

Ifa being not only ugly but also anemo is such a spit in the face. It's like HSR making all the male characters one element so you can't use husbando only teams. They could have made him any other element (such as, for example, just a thought, PYRO considering he's from the nation of FIRE), but of course he has to join 5WIRL or 6LOW or whatever the fuck anemo boy band name we are on at this point. Considering his profession, he's most likely going to be some type of support, but what can he even bring to the table at this point? Jean and Xianyun are good healers, that downie bitch that was just released is a good shielder, and Kazuha is Kazuha.

No. 470105

>>470101
Of course not! The same way Mydei is another imaginary male DPS who can’t even attack instead of being Fire-Destruction because Firefly can be the only one.

No. 470106

>>469800
People are actually hype for her. She's going to sell because Genshin fans love eating garbage.
>>469855
It's a trend I'm very tired of. But then idiots on twitter also hate characters having flaws, especially female characters, because if you talk about her flaws that's misogyny. Now hsr will do the same "pure little sister, evil brother" with the Elysia and Kevin expys. Even the "feminists" don't want flawed women, look at how they ate up Arlecchino being defanged into a good parent.
>>469996
To be fair, the Valentine's art also had random melusines. But yes, people are defending this which is why trying to complain about this treatment is pointless because it will be called misogyny.
>>470013
The problem with hsr is they have good husbandos but they also treat them like shit. It's the same tactic as Genshin but no one ever learns. They'll become irrelevant in the story and in the meta, with some merch churned out to keep women happy, like how they're pimping out Aventurine. They will fuck over men who don't sell, like Sunday.

No. 470108

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Childe is now being called a "she" because of these theorists. I can't even say it would be delusional to turn a male into a female after years of advertising them to players as male because Hyv is this disgusting. Even if it's a theory it's already enough for troons to take it as fact and bully people into calling Childe a girl.

No. 470109

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>>470085
>I wonder why only male characters seem to suffer this
you have to be joking when characters like yelan, shenhe, and yae exist. they all look cute or beautiful in their 2d art but have horrible models, especially the faces. yelan's model was so low quality the devs felt they had to fix her nails after her release (3.4).

No. 470111

>>470109
I’ve never owned a female 5 star that wasn’t Jean so I’d have no clue if you’re right or not, but I’ve never heard people complain about their models, compared to Diluc being ugly. Maybe it’s not an issue of gender but the fact that Genshin devs are incapable of making good 3d models, and the artsyle is hideous.

No. 470112

>>470074
God I hate Wuwa and the fact that Hyv is copying this garbage. I wish this shit would EOS.

No. 470113

>>470106
Genshin males up until natlan were relevant in the story. Kazuha, alhaitham, neuvilette, diluc, zhongli, childe, lyney have stronger plot relevance than most waifus. This is why moids were seething, because the waifus were clearly bait, while the husbandos had more lore and impact on the story.

No. 470114

>>470112
WuWa dies about a year or two before Genshin does. Hopefully soon.

No. 470115

>>470113
Also scaramouche, albedo.
Mondstadt - very focused on venti, diluc, kaeya, albedo
Liyue - very focused on zhongli, childe, xiao
Inazuma - the first region that's waifu dominated, but still we had kazuha being featured in every single event and the first inazuman playable character
Sumeru - very focused on most of the playable male characters, alhaitham, tighnari, cyno, scaramouche
Fountaine - very focused on neuvilette, lyney and alhaitham are also plot relevant
Natlan - crickets

No. 470116

>>470113
>>470115
Not to bat on the side of the waifus, but has anybody questioned why they refuse to make good female characters? Even the ones that are alright are dampered by whichever set of lingerie they're wearing. Are there any normies that realize people want men because that's the only chance they have at a real character? I'm sure less people would demand male characters if the female ones were given personalities and better designs. Although I doubt any waifufags truly want to get complex female characters, they just want a sad backstory to point as a gotcha "See? She's super deep and you're the real sexist for calling her design sexist!"

No. 470117

>>470113
This is why you have lorefags trying to say that Childe will revert back into a woman. They can't imagine a man being important so he has to be a girl.

>>470116
>
Not to bat on the side of the waifus, but has anybody questioned why they refuse to make good female characters?
This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing. They don't actually want flawed female characters. Immature people want to see themselves as perfect, so they want to be a sad waifu, not see themselves in a woman who's fucked up. Even thought most of these yuricel gacha feminists aren't nice good people themselves.

No. 470120

>>470117
It's very odd to see it happen. It's as if they need some grand sad story to justify the teenager in a bikini they pulled for. You're already a male anime fan, just admit to being a gooner, we all already assume so. And the worst part is real living breathing women come to their defense!

No. 470123

>>470114
Why hate wuwa more than genshin? Genuine question.

No. 470125

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War and Famine have the nerve to sit upon the same horse.

No. 470126


No. 470127

>>470074
Top 5 ugliest gacha character I’ve ever seen

No. 470130

>>470100
It's actually CoachIansan0326

No. 470132

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>>470074
Whenever I see this guy I wonder if the designers saw pic related and got a very wrong idea.

No. 470134

>>470132
It's like men are entirely blind to what women find attractive in male characters. It's why I assumed Gege Akutami was female, I could not believe a man created Gojo, Geto, Choso, etc.

No. 470135

>>470123
It's one thing to be a shitty game. It's another thing to copy a shitty game and continue to be just as awful.

No. 470137

>>470106
>People are actually hype for her.
Are thye? Half of my social media are calling her uggo. Maybe I'm following the right people?

No. 470141

>>470134
>It's why I assumed Gege Akutami was female, I could not believe a man created Gojo, Geto, Choso, etc.
What? Gojo is just a moid's version of a bishie, and he depises him for that. Not to mention he looks ugly as fuck in gege's original artstyle. Geto and the rest are just typical manly shounen characters and toji is literally the most blatant example of male hands at work. I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard toxic masculinity. They're all characters that appeal to the male aesthetic, but mappa made them look prettier for the fujobucks.

No. 470142

>>470141
>I refuse to believe a japanese woman would create a character like toji, he just oozes of tryhard toxic masculinity
To be fair he either has a backstory of being a sugar baby, or would have become one if he wasn't a sorcerer, and the idea of a scrote assigning that trait to a character who is otherwise muh manly strong man is very funny.

No. 470145

>>470065
>>470067
Enter, the mandatory bland fujobait. Thank you for waiting 5 patches, enjoy the pathetic crumbs with Ororon and remember to buy merch of his adorable mascot!

No. 470149

>>470145
>fujobait
please, no. anything but that.

No. 470151

>>470149
That’s hoyoslop’s modus operandi. Pair two soulless faggots, give them a generic dynamic and let delusional fans do 99% of the leg work outside of the actual game.

No. 470155

>>470065
>>470067
I actually think he's cute. An Anemo character can at the very least hold VV to provide something to a team. My concern is we really don't need more Anemo healers when Jean is standard and Cloud Retainer also does the plunge thing. He'll need to provide something else to the team to really give value. In an ideal world he'd do Bennett things but I doubt they'll want to undercut Iansan so soon.
>>470074
Oh come on, his design is nowhere near as offensive as this creatura. The design is clearly Steve Irwin + doctor.

No. 470156

>>470151
Let's be honest though. Ever since Ifa's first mention in Ororon's voicelines, the braindead fujos have already been creaming their panties over their newest region canon ship. They see Hoyo throwing them two tall male characters and eat that slop up, because uwu obviously Hoyo is saying they're fucking. The majority of Genshin fujos are absolutely pathetic.

No. 470159

>>470151
>>470156
Only the lowliest of fujo bottom feeders would enjoy Hoyoslop shipping. Even compared to other genshin fans and other fujos, they're losers. Even Sonic slash shipping is less humiliating.

No. 470160

>>470142
Yeah but I think that's part of gege's comedic tidbits and it smells male to me. Gojo looks like a shiny bishie but is supposed to be very unlikable at the same time, he's a deconstruction of the trope and in my opinion only a man who seethes at bishies would write him like that. Toji is this ultra masc sigma male ideal who is also a loser who mooches off the women he fucks. Idk all his characters behave too much like ultra scrotes and they appeal to scrote sensibilities. People think gege might be a woman only because of the female characters, as if there aren't plenty of men, especially the zoomers who read jjk, who are into dominant stacies, mean muscle mommies and loud mouthed delinquents, I mean that's almost the premise of chainsaw man kek. And gojo and geto's relationship doesn't read as fujobait either, it's literally just how men act with their bros. Mha's writing is unironically more fujobaity, and that's a series with a confirmed male mangaka.

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>>470145
>>470151
>>470156
>>470159
What do you get out of this game as a female player if not for the fujobait?

No. 470162

>>470161
Husbandos duh

No. 470164

>>470161
Exactly, I'm a fujo and I don't care about the "cheap" bait, I'm here for the fanart. All gacha games have the same fujoslop, it doesn't matter to me, cause I don't get invested.

No. 470165

>>470162
There's barely no yumebait

No. 470175

>>470165
>Barely
Xiao, Albedo, Childe, Wanderer, Venti, Kazuha, Lyney, Kinich all have had at the very least some semblance of yumebait. Granted, they're not going to pull a LADS, but Genshin up to late Fontaine was decent enough for yumes.
Unless you liked tall men. No husbando for you then

No. 470176

>>470116
People have actually zero expectations for female characters, they just need to look cute and/or sexy and have a fun personality trope. Women into male characters usually have much higher standards so they actually have to put effort and thought into writing them.

>>470117
>This conversation can never happen when people think it's misogyny to even question a female character's writing.
Every time I try to have this conversation with other women defending hoyowaifus they just start bitching about how I can't call the bad writing out because these characters are their precious kinnies and totally just like them so subsequently that makes me a misogynist. I hate it so much.

No. 470177

>>470164
You are the exact type of slurper hoyo wants playing their games nona. Other gacha games arent afraid to give their designated fujo characters proper screentime/arcs, but you can keep deluding yourself other games have the same sterile and lifeless fujobait that hoyoslop does

No. 470182

>>470161
I don't play this crap(baiting)

No. 470183

>>470165
Learn to speak English

No. 470184

>>470182
Why are you in this thread bitching about fujos then, go back to your containment(infighting)

No. 470185

>>470177
Alhaitham didn't get enough screentime? Kaveh? Diluc and kaeya are literally here from the first patch? Xingqiu blushing at chongyun? Most popular fujo genshin ships interacted in game multiple times and have strong ties to each other, don't rewrite history now just because you're mad kaveh and sethos exist kek. And none of us asked for canon confirmation, it's a gacha game for a reason and at the end of the day, there's still real women behind these husbandos and their dynamics, they're trying to work the best they can with the material they have. It's not their fault dawei is a frustrated cuck who switched the pandering audience, hoyo staff isn't made up entirely of incels, a lot of them are huge xiao fans and at first it was supposed to be a genuine mixed gender gacha. And I don't even spend any money on this game anyway.

No. 470187

>>470185
>best examples are from 1.x to 3.x characters
KEK I knew you’d say that. The little blush from the lantern event is really all the crumbs you need huh, exactly what that anon was describing upthread. Dont mind me and the other nonnies though, you’re clearly happy with the slop hoyocel devs serve you, and the devs are happy to have desperate fujos like you. Thats a win-win.

No. 470189

>game shits on women
>women shit on each other
Pottery. Though, the yume/fujo sperg outs probably contribute to why they would rather make coomer girls instead, before they get reported to the government.

No. 470190

>>470187
Nona, this is a chinese game.

No. 470194

>>470185
You didn't ask about canon? It's even worse. You slop fujos automatically declare any two tall males Hoyo throws you to string along as canon and attack others who dare to ship them with others. You have this delusion that Hoyo owes you a canon tall m/m ship every region and it's getting more and more desperate. Ororon talking about Ifa is 100% innocuous and yet it's been declared canon by the likes of you that those two must be fucking despite the fact that Ororon is supremely socially awkward and a kind of loner who prefers the company of animals and plants. But you’re all going to turn those two into the same daddy dom/crying uke who gobbles up cock ship like you've been doing with every other ship like Haikaveh. It's basically just a repaint. Same ooc slop, different names.(fujo sperging)

No. 470195

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>>470189
Yeah the retarded infighting isn't helping. Can we all agree that Hoyo baiting both fujo and yumes only to end up as a nothingburger sucks? We all deserve better than this

No. 470197

>>470194
Genuinely who cares, they're gacha characters. They don't have much personality to begin with, and the fanart/fics are hot. Boo hoo fucking hoo.

No. 470199

>>470194
Ok at this point it sounds like you have a personal problem unrelated to genshin

No. 470201

So this is all it takes to have the hoyo defence force come out the woodworks

No. 470202

>>470199
Probably a refugee from /vg/. That place has some of the most mentally ill yumes.(infight/bait)

No. 470204

>>470190
So is Arknights and they dont shy away like Genshin, find another excuse

No. 470206

>>470204
Arknights has fujobait?

No. 470207

>>470204
Arknights has husbandos?

No. 470208

>>470189
>game shits on women
I’m fine though, the game gives me enough fujo sustenance. Makes sense that all the seething about le heckin evil game is from yumeshits like you and the other anons though

No. 470209

>>470197
You can be a fujo and not just slurp up the cheapest of bait, you know. And I for one like my fujo ships in character when they're fucking and not read bad porn re-enactments, but you do you, I guess.

No. 470210

>>470206
>>470207
Hoyotards really do play nothing outside of hyv games kek

No. 470211

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>>470207
>>470206
Look at this incredibly well written male character with proper screentime/arc.

No. 470213

>>470209
Same, idk why anons are trying to twist it into a fujo/yume war. I’m a fujo and while I still enjoy my genshin ships I’m not gonna sit here and pretend it isnt half-assed on the dev’s part, I thought we all knew its purely carried by fans and thats exactly what devs are trying to cash in on with their laziness. Some anons take it as a personal affront to them when you point out how sterile the bait is in canon.

No. 470214

Fujo and antifujo slapfight out of containment, please go back. I thought we all agreed Hoyoverse is stringing along women to be the backbone of their fandom. The enemy is not women gooning to gay ships, or even women who think Haikaveh is gods gift to homosexual activism. The enemy is the company who made such flat characters that are easily twisted into being useless uke/seme. Hoyoverse is cucking you twice, once with terrible ships where you must create all the fanfic and fanart off a single drop of cannon interraction. And the second time is when they turn around and use the same yaoi characters to pander to yumes, who will then tear apart the fujos in a evil ouroboros of free Genshin promotion via Twitter war.

No. 470215

Girl there's people shipping ifa with varesa, I think ifa and ororon should be the least of your worries lol if you think the fujo ships are bad, at least we aren't shipping the few husbandos we have with literal goonerbait

No. 470217

>>470213
Its probably that sensitive haikaveh tard who had a melty last thread. Imagine defending a company that doesnt even see you as human.

No. 470218

>>470210
Do you think people have time to juggle all the gacha that's out there like you? While also liking nongacha stuff? 3-4 games is my limit tbh.

No. 470219

>>470215
>people
I will bet my Dottore savings there isn't a single genuine shipper for those two. But even then, I say shipping husbandos with goonerbait is a good thing, as it ruins the purpose. If we ship Citlali with Knich instead of Aether, moids would have to seethe about getting cucked, no? It's why I abandoned all my gay ships for straight ones. Makes all the bad actors go apeshit.

No. 470222

>>470215
>Girl
Go back

No. 470225

>>470219
I doubt any moids are seething

No. 470226

I feel totally hopeless for Dahlia.

No. 470227

>>470202
Kek I was thinking the exact same thing, it sounds identical to the schizo yumes from the hoyoslop threads in there. She should spend a fraction of that energy shadow boxing fujos into shaming waifufag scrotes actually ruining the game.(infight/bait)

No. 470228

>>470151
I fail to see why your post triggered fujos to have a melty when we’ve already accepted this as hoyo’s strategy in the thread before(fujo bait)

No. 470232

>>470228
Being faced with the reality that you happily let a game take you for a fool is tough to accept I guess. Either that or just newfags. Its the same reason why twitterfags cry about no males but then scream and clap when a new art is commissioned for twitter like the recent onsen one.

No. 470233

>>470228
I don't think it was that, it was calling women "braindead" that did it.
Then again, husbandofags are also braindead losers aren't they? This thread is about braindead losers who played this game together.

No. 470234

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>>470227
>into shaming waifufag scrotes actually ruining the game
Lel yumes there are constantly defending waifufags while shitting on fujos unprovoked.(infight/bait)

No. 470237

>>470233
Yeah this is why. I said that I know it's flat writing, but I enjoy it for the cute fanart and she got mad and insulted me and said it's my fault hoyo is giving us all this slop. There's no reason to be so offended by fujobait, unless you're a seething yume/straight shipper who hates that even my kind gets some crumbs and she won't be able to scroll fanart of her husbando in peace.(fujo sperging outside containment)

No. 470239

>>470234
I shit you not, go visit Sethos' White day art on social media and see the comments. 99% of them is talking about sethoscara in a post where sethoscara isn't even mentioned.
As a yume this obviously pisses me off but I don't go around blaming fujos themselves. If anything this sort of behavior is enabled by hoyo flip flopping between pandering to both yumes and fujos. Nobody is to blame here except them

No. 470240

>>470234
>Incels ruin an omnigacha game, remove or humiliate all the male characters and make the female ones even more coomery than before
>Yuritroons bully everyone into silence from criticizing the female characters because two sexy waifus making out is a sapphic feminist win and a racist if you think the onsen prostitute's butchered kimono is inappropriate
>Pickmes call you a slutshaming misogynist if you don't think Varesa is peak body positivity design
>Only claw and screech at fujos and blame them for everything
Pottery(fujo sperging outside containment)

No. 470242

>>470233
At least you can admit they’re all braindead, good job nonny

No. 470245

>>470240
>look at varesa's new promotional art
>the smallest waist and ribcage with skinny arms
>massive hips and tits
This character is supposed to be the poster child for body diversity and positivity and fat representation?

No. 470246

>>470242
>They're
Seems like you still need work there braindead nonny

No. 470247

>>470246
What does this mean, nonna I’m concerned

No. 470248

>>470246
>esl trying to educate someone on english
Kekkkkk

No. 470249

>>470247
>>470248
>They're
We're all braindead here for playing this game nonnies it's not that hard to figure out

No. 470251

>>470246
This is kinda embarrassing nona you still have 25 minutes to delete it

No. 470255

>>470251
No don't, it's funnier this way.

No. 470338

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No. 470352

So is Ifa four star or five star? His outfit gives me major four star energy but at the same time I don't think Genshin would make another tall male a four star.

No. 470417

>>470352
We don't know yet. Leakers were wrong about Ifa's element so we have no idea. I want him to be a five star but I'm not optimistic.

No. 470424

uhh by the state of the thread im guessing this is not a good time to getting back into the game? i stopped playing around natlan's release bc i had to focus on school and i finally have enough free time now

No. 470461

>>470424
Not really, the game is going full on waifufag galore while actively pissing on its female fanbase, see >>469996
You could ignore anything past Fontaine and wait for Nod Krai but there's no guarantee it won't be scrote haven 2

No. 470462

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Slight blogpost but I got gifted one of these and while I really appreciate the gesture I can't help but shame the money that Hoyo pocketed. That and that the game still pretends to be for the general audiences while churning out waifushit in game, it enrages me to no end.

No. 470464

>>470462
These are sooo cute! Too bad genshin is evil and non playable characters get no merch. Imagine if Capitano had a little tiny smile.

No. 470507

>>470123
Because Wuwa is part of the reason genshin is becoming like this. It's a trend that's making most of these mixed gachas suck. Release few men, make all waifus only for ML, only show the male MC with the waifus.

No. 470508

>>470234
I hate the insane shippers but self inserters are so crazy I also want them to fuck off. I don't agree that their fujobait is queer representation or the best yaoi, but the way yumes react over their husbando being shipped makes me less sympathetic. Not as bad as incels, but that's a low bar. But the real enemy is Mhy. They make people fight for scraps and make people feel like resources are slim, which creates more engagement for their game. They have psychologists on their team, they know how to use it well. They know that people will stick with a game they hate if they can spite other fans and see other fans suffering. It's why they won't go full ML too, because they like seeing incels get angry and harass other fans. It's why they like seeing women fight over yumebait or fujobait and what male character should be a five star. They like the gender war and they profit off it. In the current age of social media and rage driving algorithms, the same goes for games like this.(derailing)

No. 470512

>>470508
I'm a yume and I couldn't care less about my husbando being shipped. I just want male characters to actually appear in the story, not get tits and pussy shoved in my face 24/7, and not get shafted on the one day of the year mhy is supposed to put out actual yumebait.

No. 470540

https://www.hoyolab.com/article/37638606
Official Hoyo post. Seems like Natlan isn't doing so well…

No. 470564

>>468861
I haven't played since Sumeru and stayed in my husbandofujo corner, occasionally checking out the new lore, and this still sent me into a suicidal-no copium left chimpout bc this is all I ever wanted. Early Mond was my favorite. But you have to be a schizo to believe Hoyo will deliver on this front (or deliver at all atp). Being a lorefag Kaeyafag is suffering.

No. 470577

>>470540
Comment section nuked in 3, 2, 1…

No. 470588

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I would unironically pull if they started making bishies with facial hair. I went insane for Gallagher.

No. 470608

>>470588
>facial hair
You're gonna get jumped for this, nonna.

No. 470614

>>470608
I don’t want to hear a thing about facial hair being nasty when nonnas here are attracted to Xbalanque.

No. 470616

>>470588
moids are so insecure they are capable of slapping facial hair onto all male characters just to spite female players and so their waifus look more underage by comparison

No. 470617

>>470614
Facial hair suck and are gross. Anime boys shouldn't have them at all especially because they don't give body hair to women.

No. 470618

>>470617
I also believe female characters should have body hair, but I probably don’t count since I don’t draw anime. I just think hair that isn’t a neon impossible haircut makes the character look much more human.

No. 470619

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>>470618
Maybe animu games arent for you, you should try AAA normie moidslop. It has plenty of boring men with facial hair.

No. 470623

>>470619
But these men are ugly, I want more of Gallagher and Wriothesley, but all that exists are the regular bishie or roidpig ugly bara.

No. 470624

>>470623
>But these men are ugly
so is gallagher. There is that ugly scrote from Limbus company too, i think his name is Gregor and this redditor from >>470074 There is no shortage of ugly unwashed facepubed male characters in anime, we do not need more.

No. 470625

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>>470624
Ouch, is it really such a universal hate? Also you called me out with Gregor, I was keeping that husbando under wraps because he is an ugly roach. But I guess I can see why some people want their beautiful men to stay beautiful. Like when handmaidens give Neuvillette an ugly triangle beard. (Shudder)

No. 470627

>>470625
I am just pointing out that there are enough characters to fit your autistic fetish already. Be glad, women who actually have incredible niche taste that never get met arent so lucky lol.

No. 470632

>>470627
I’m sorry Da Wei…. my ignorance and selfishness has caused a hundred yumejoshi to have been executed by beheading In retaliation. I bow.

No. 470641

>>470619
>pic
Jesus christ what a fucking abomination

No. 470669

>>470151
>>470185
Reading these fights only makes me hate Mhy more. They know about this and they encourage it. I do think Mhy yaoi is weak but I also don't care much for yumebait and I think all their ships are weak because all their characters are weak. You can't build good ships when it's waiting for a company to spoonfeed you tropes without understanding why people like them. Some of the most fun yaoi to ship are ships that were never intended to be canon, but the characters were strong and fun enough to imagine their chemistry, or they were good one scene wonders. Mhy fujos think they need to wait for the company approval before shipping anything, which ruins the fun. The ones who argue that x husbando is coded as gay are full of shit, but that's not the problem with Mhy yaoi. People can try and say some ships is danmei coded but they'll never be as good because Mhy is like YA novelists trying to imitate fanfic tropes. They can only give you a facsimile of the real thing because their hearts aren't in it. I wish Genshin fujos and all Mhy fujos would just admit that no ship is canon and its not "queer representation" and that your ship isn't better than anyone else's. We're falling for Mhy's traps. They admit they like seeing fujos fight. They like seeing yumes fight over scraps of their husbands. The fandom spends more time fighting each other and Mhy knows this and banks on it. They like us fighting because it means we won't turn on them, and we'll keep playing their shitty games not out of fun, but so we can "win" a fanwar against someone else.

No. 470672

>>470669
Well-said. Instead of giving us hoyo-assigned faggotry they could just give us natural interactions between the cast and the chemistry will come through. To be honest though it all boils down to how utterly dogshit Genshin's writing is. Not even character's SQs are allowed to be about the actual character most of the time.

No. 470676

>>470352
He's a male and he's brown. Of course he's a four star.

No. 470679

>>470676
I think they'll go Cyno route as in 5* with absolutely dogshit kit

No. 470681

>>470679
We just had the bathouse prostitute, would they release another anemo 5 star this soon after?

No. 470682

>>470681
The onsen whore was a standard, I can see them pushing him as a 5 star because otherwise Natlan would have 0 tall five star males. Even scrote central Inazuma had two

No. 470697

>>470682
Lame. Not that interested in rolling for another anemo 5 star.

No. 470699

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>>470697
I'd be mad about a five star Ifa too simply because I was saving for my boy Dahlia, and obviously nu-Hoyo isn't going to release two five star males in a row. Praying they just keep him as a four star.

No. 470702

>>470669
>>470672
One my biggest problem with Mihoyo's writing has always been that the writers room is too aware of self inserters (be it yumes or just the random incel) and fujos/yurifags to the point that they simply refuse to let characters interact meaningfully with someone of the opposite gender. Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen.
We see little hints of it here and there, like Kinichi being a part of a friendship trio with Mualani and Ororon and Ctlali in Natlan or Neuvilette and Furina etc. Please, dont get me wrong, I dont want shipbait, I mean just actual normal interactions that happen onscreen. Like, I kind of wish we had seen Nahida and Scaramouche's dynamics for more than 5 seconds, I think the idea of her acting as his stern older sister is pretty funny and adorable.

No. 470705

>>470699
Dahlia is so cute. Wont get me to redownload especially if he's just a throwaway 4 star but I'll enjoy the fanart from afar.
>>470702
Yeah, I guess its because most people working at hoyo are otaku themselves which is why that awareness seeps through so blatantly to the actual detriment of the game.

No. 470722

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>>470702
Nahida and Wanderer make up one of my favourite dynamics in the game and I say that as someone with 0 attraction to Scara; no prior investment, I just think they’re great. But oh, here come the fucking Chinese pedophiles to hiss and kick and throw poor Sethos in the ring as meat fodder because they can’t stand their Theresa expy interacting with a man onscreen (literally a dick-less puppet, mind you) for longer than 0.3 seconds. Scrotes, everyone.

No. 470769

>>470722
right??? and no shade to the sethos fans i think he's cute and i'm sure his dynamic with scara can be cute too but it's just frustrating that he's used as a scapegoat when nahida and scaramouche have so many paralels to each other you could write a bible on it, and that it has been explicitly told to us that they are working closely together now but we're just… denied those interactions (which would have been entirely fucking plantonic to anyone who's not an absolute freak that should be in jail) because men have this irrational fear of being cucked

No. 470790

>>470588
Normally I'm not a fan of facial hair on these characters (Every wriothesley facial hair edit ive ever seen has been painfully ugly imo) but I think your picrel is actually cute, cuter than the actual ifa anyways.
>>470614
KEK agreed

No. 470791

>>470702
They're aware that shipfags will call those couples canon if they have any meaningful interaction and I think most of the staff, being weebs themselves, know that it's very difficult to write purely platonic male-female dynamic. That's why they go for tropes where they're siblings, family, part of a bigger friend group, gang, one is a subordinate or an apprentice, business partners etc. And I'm sorry to point this out nonas but realistically speaking, genuine male-female friendships are not only rare, but kind of a meme irl.

No. 470792

>>470769
Nahida and scara having the same age and level of a maturity is the elephant in the room. Yes, physically nahida is a shitloli, but the people who ship them together aren't like completely delusional because if you take away nahida's appearance, the ship kinda makes sense. The only aspect that stops most people from shipping them together, is nahida being a potato loli. Visually, this ship looks extremely gross and disturbing and the writers were capitalizing on this. But if nahida looked like a regular genshin girl, this shit would be considered as having romantic potential very fast.

No. 470800

>>470792
I see ship art of them and they just hit Scara with the shota beam so it looks like two kids dating. I thought it was kind of cute, I guess.

No. 470822

>>470682
They don't want more male five stars in Natlan.

>>470702
I think this is why some of the more fun, in my opinion, yaoi is ones not corpo mandated and where people ship characters because of potential or strength of personality. The fandom needs to spend less time arguing about what's "implied" and just let people do whatever they want. In this way I feel like older game not spoonfeeding was more interesting since what they do spoonfeed is very bland and safe. Even Arlefuri became nothing but the same stale yuri fluff after Arle was defanged. We had a nice brief moment of the dark fanartists going to town but of course Hoyo can't write yuri that good.
> Initially we barely got actual cast interactions and that got better overtime but still it feels almost forbidden to have a male character to have an actual important relationship with a female character and that be displayed onscreen.
This is the same fanbase that couldn't have Childe and Yoimiya interact without people crying on both sides about being cucked. I don't care that much for m/f ships so no ships being canon is fine by me, but then when you see people throw tantrums about the simplest of interactions you can predict the story so far. People hoping that Skirk will interact nicely with Childe are deluded, they'll undercut him to sell her. But these decisions that are obvious to people who know how gacha works gets rewritten in fandom as happening only because it's "best for the story". Likewise you'll see less of Scaramouche interacting meaningfully with Nahida since this broke incels brains. They couldn't even let him be in the picture for her birthday event. I don't know why Hoyo even bothered putting them together if they're going to cave to incels and remove him from the story.
>>470769
This is what made me think that Hoyo ship pushing fanservice feels so sterile and corporate. No hate to people who think they're cute, but when I was seeing people say "Finally Sethos can't be shipped with Cyno", it felt pair the spares. People were trying to brother zone Sethos and Cyno to not break up the approved Sumeru ships and the more fanservice they do, the more it also feels like the yaoi equivalent of being afraid to let even the Sumeru guys interact with other guys outside their "assigned ship". So now my problem is that all interactions in this game feel generic and trying to sell you on a ship or trying not to piss off incels, and it breaks my immersion in these characters and this world. Why care about any character anymore when you know how they'll end up? You know no one will be truly that flawed. You know if a male and female character are related, they're going to make the sister the pure girl and the brother the mastermind trying to protect her. You know male and female friendships will be sterile and offscreened, and that the company mandated yaoi and yuri will be safe and tame. What's there to be attached to when the company itself limits your own imagination?

No. 470824

>>470822
>You know male and female friendships will be sterile and offscreened
male and female "friendships" don't exist, incels have a point

No. 470844

>>470824
Yeah, in real life. It's a fantasy game; you can write whatever you want and the point is that the writers are choosing to project their dating insecurities instead of making up interesting fictional dynamics for their own sake.

No. 470849

>>470824
But this is fiction, you can make as many f/m friendships as you want. There’s no way they’d make Cyno a rapeape or whatever so why not let him be besties with Dehya, Candice, Nilou, etc. Hoyo just likes to keep characters in a thin box just close enough to others but never enough to form any real bonds aside from the Hoyo assigned ship and of course their loving relationship with the traveler. I wish Alhaitham got to have friends outside of Kaveh. Every single thing out of his fucking mouth is Kaveh. He doesn’t even get his own birthday, it’s just married couple baiting with Kaveh. Can he speak to Tighnari or Candice or Faruzan?

No. 470856

>>470844
It's not the writers. A "meaningful" well written male-female friendship means the audience will treat it as semi-canon because you can't remove real life aspects from a gacha game. There are plenty of straight ships that are not canon, but treated it as such by the fandom, an example being mustang and riza from fma. It's just fantasy is not a good excuse, we as humans interpret fictional dynamics based on our own experiences and what we were exposed to. This is why some people will say shit like "she's a lesbian, he's gay" because they know deep down claiming they're both straight and just friends would be ridiculous. At the end of the day it would be just shipfag territory, and they will get in shipwars with fujoshi.

No. 470857

>>470849
>I wish Alhaitham got to have friends outside of Kaveh. Every single thing out of his fucking mouth is Kaveh. He doesn’t even get his own birthday, it’s just married couple baiting with Kaveh. Can he speak to Tighnari or Candice or Faruzan?
This but with Kaveh. The man is supposed to be an architect, surely he's able to comment on the buildings and architectural styles around Teyvat? Like how the devs have Charlotte go around to interview other Genshins for scoops and whatnot. But no, let's keep him as Alhaitham's onahole instead, because Hoyo men are only good at creating fujo/yume bait and aren't allowed to exist outside of that.

No. 470859

I doubt anyone will say in good faith that they enjoy male-female friendships, don't kid yourself. This is just shipfag cope

No. 470879

>>470857
My schizho theory is that Mihoyo sacrificed Alhaitham and Kaveh on the alter of fujos (to the point were they are each other's only defining character trait) so that they wouldn't have to make another fujobait in Genshin again.

No. 470882

>>470879
Idiot who can't read the character stories. Both kaveh and alhaitham have backstories, and kaveh doesn't even appear in the main story quest in sumeru, leaving alhaitham a lot of time to develop on his own. And kaveh got his own thing too, and has multiple friends, he interacts multiple times with faruzan. He has official merchandise with nilou. Kaveh is actually the heart of this ship, despite being only a 4 star. You're just mad because he and alhaitham have more scenes together and more chemistry than the average genshin fujo ship lol. Let me guess, you shipped alhaitham with cyno or dehya and got mad when kaveh made his appearance? You're mad because kaveh is the only character who makes alhaitham more interesting and entertaining, because on his own he's a boring and plain stoic gary stu, despite all the amount of screentime and character interactions he gets?(Fujosperg outside containment)

No. 470887

Like if you want a boring forced fujo ship with plain toast dynamic, that's obviously cyno and tighnari, but alhaitham and kaveh have comedic appeal, they're the only fujo ship in genshin with funny dialogue and a stronger backstory (other than kaeya and diluc). I think it's weird how you guys only have a bone to pick with them, when there's other ships that are 10x worse and less developed. Ayato and thoma are boring, itto doesn't have any good fujo ships, zhongli and childe is a deluded fantasy, neuvilette and wriothesley don't have enough interactions, baizhu doesn't have a fujo ship, kinich is literally on his own etc. Alhaitham and kaveh are the only ship where the writers put a bit more effort. Now you have a problem with ifa and ororon, just because fans ship them.(Fujosperg outside containment)

No. 470890

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Are we really going to spent the rest of the thread in a fujo vs yume samsara

No. 470896

>>470890
2 years have passed and people here still seethe over alhaitham and kaveh and muh fujo pandering, when there's other worse things in game. fuck kinich can't even be shipped with anyone other than mualani because natlan doesn't have any other short male characters!(Fujosperg outside containment)

No. 470898

>>470822
>They don't want more male five stars in Natlan.
X doubt. Ifa is shown prominently on 5.5's banner but isn't playable, just like how Chasca and Citlali were before they were released.

No. 470906

>>470882
>Alhaitham is a boring Gary stu and Kaveh is the only important one of the ship who gives Alhaitham meaning
>Alhaitham had plenty of time on his own to develop and he is an individual character, with his own backstory
All I said was that I wish I got to see Alhaitham speak with more of his friends, who the fuck was mad about Ifa and Ororon?? I don’t have any issue with the ship, I used to ship it, but I just want more of Alhaitham and his lore ALONE. It’s like all genshin fujoshi have ptsd and must write a paragraph worth of schitzobable to justify a shitty company manipulating them for more free advertisement.

No. 470907

>>470882
Calm down anon, it's not that deep, I don't ship Alhaitham or Kaveh with anyone, I don't dislike them either, I just said it was a schizo theory I had.

No. 470909

I just want to see Kaveh, Neuvillette, and Ororon with their tits out. Kaveh would build a house for Lumine, Ororon would grow food for her, and Neuvillette would be the breadwinner. Hoyoverse is too cowardly to make this a reality.

No. 470923

>>470906
The haikaveh fujo always has a meltdown as soon as you dont worship that bland ship

No. 470970

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>>470909
And then Diluc helps with the garden, while Ifa tends to the animals.

No. 471095

Childefags: here is how we can still win

No. 471126

>>470890
I don't even know how my post ended up inciting this debate all over again. I genuinely just want to see better and more meaningful character interactions and the very clear wall between the character's gender get in the way of it. I don't think showcasing a brother/sister dynamic between Scaramouche and Nahida or a master/apprentice one between Skirk and Childe should be considered ship bait. I hate that because some 5 weirdos will ship anything that just exists in the same vicinity as each other we are denied good characterization. I'll stop with this topic now, I'm sorry y'all.

No. 471202

>>470970
Thoma will be the cook and housekeeper, Alhaitham will be the accountant, Baizhu will of course be the doctor, Itto will be manual labor, Wriothesley will be on guard duty, and Childe will hunt and fish. I'm unsure how Ayato, Kaeya, and Zhongli will fit into Lumine's tall man harem compound. The default is for them to be tied up in the basement for sex, but I'm open to suggestions.

No. 471222

>>471202
Zhongli provides helpful support with building by creating masterfully detailed gates of solid gold. When not forced to fuck for Lumine’s entertainment, Kaeya helps with her personal horse stable as cavalry captain, and Ayato acts as the scheming advisor to Neuvillette.

No. 471256

>>470887
Tell me, why can short male characters only be shipped with other short male characters? And don't give me the "because they're meant to be minors" when you have characters like Venti and Xiao who're several thousand years old. I'm not shipping Kinich with anyone, but why shouldn't someone ship him with, say, Ororon if they want? As long as you have a creative bone in your body, you could pull it off, and for pwp slop they reason two characters are fucking doesn't count anyway.

Imo that's the biggest problem in fandom these days. Zoomers need "permission" from the devs to ship something. If there's no cheap bait, they can't come up with ships of their own. It's rather sad. Why limit your5self like that?

No. 471262

>Open the thread
>Multiple anons shipping ScaraNahida romantically and saying "well Nahida might LOOK like a loli but….!"
Just EOS this game I don't want it around if it breeds people like this

>>470887
They banned her because she spoke the truth, godspeed to our fallen soldier(bait)

No. 471278

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Forever kekking at lesbians thinking they're the target audience somehow. Imagine siding with moids who only see you as a dog meant to be corrected by dick.

No. 471285

>>471278
To be honest I think a lot of these are either underage or "lesbians"

No. 471287

>>471278
The bathspring event truly opened my eyes at how delusional these people are. Imagine seeing crystal clear harembait and think it's a sapphic win

No. 471297

>>471278
Some anons in the fandom discourse thread talk exactly like this kek.

No. 471321

>>471278
I'm 99% sure that the "lesbians" playing the game are moids in dresses.

No. 471322

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>>471278
holy shit she's going in hard

No. 471325

>>471321
This. Not one of these dumbasses is an actual lesbian woman, or at least one that's over 18.

No. 471327

>>471322
>Not realizing that Hoyo didn't do that this year
>Even when they did, they casually forgot their otome protag
>Not realizing their 40% female cast are lower roles or interns and thus not decision makers

No. 471337

>>471256
>Zoomers need "permission" from the devs to ship something.
nah it's mostly a fandom thing, a lot of them are afraid they're gonna be called misogynistic if they ship kinich with a man he has zero interactions with rather than mualani

No. 471391

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>>471322
Oh they're being so fucking delusional right here…

No. 471396

>>471391
TL;DR Hoyoshills are reappropriating the staff member being used as inspiration for Fu Hua as some sort of woke LGBTQ icon when investigation on her profile (from that chinese dev doomer account) states she's first and foremost a manhating fujo, a husbandofag and a xiaovenfag. Aka one of these nasty "male-obsessed" women Hoyoshitters hate so much kek.

No. 471460

>>470856
I do think it's annoying when het ships get claimed canon when male and female characters are friends, yeah. There's no way for them to do this without pissing off the most hardcore yumes and guys obsessed with ML. I do think friendship could happen, but it's the nature of fandom that makes it unlikely because people want to fight for what ships are canon even if nothing is canon. I do think it's annoying when it happens with the assigned yaoi and yuri ships too.
>>470879
I agree with this, that's why they feel too "sterile" and boring to me. This anon who has to put down other Genshin yaoi
>>470887 because they think the roommates are the best yaoi ever are also why I tire of Haikaveh and their superiority complex. I would rather people go back to shipping characters just because, which this anon tries to put down because we must all need company approval and a certain amount of interactions. it's Haikaveh that started the shipping drama and the need for people to think that the only valid ships are ones pushed by Mhy, as if they can ever write anything interesting anymore.

No. 471462

>>471095
Until they make Childe into a woman out of spite for husbando fans. That's what the theorists are saying.

>>471278
This is the same person who says Zhongli isn't really a man so they can ship him with Guizhong and call it yuri. They call other people man obsessed but pretend their favorite isn't a man and nobody can call out this hypocrisy.

No. 471488

>>471256
>>471337
There's anons putting down any shipping that's not shilled by the company so of course people want dev validation. There's no fun allowed in this fandom anymore because if not being called misogynistic, other fujos come for your ass because your ship isn't as "canon" as theirs is. Even though no ships, yaoi, yuri, het, whatever, will ever be canon and none of them will be lore relevant to the story. Fighting about ships being "gay erasure" or "what's more canon" while the incel devs laugh all the way to the bank because this is all just a product to them. Any random ship people make up is more soulful if they actually love the characters compared to tropified slop made by a corporation.

No. 471498

>>470906
Them saying Kaveh is the heart of the ship only because Kaveh's pitybait makes more fandom losers project onto him. He has way less personality or lore ties, and then this anon assuming we must love Ifa and Ororon because they're going to be implied? The shots they need to take at shipping them with other characters because we must adhere to Hoyo's bland slop is why I hate Hoyo fujos. Maybe stop putting down other ships and saying people have to worship yours for being the most canon.

No. 471520

>>471278
These are the people that cry about the Aether harem stans, while saying stuff like this. Like congrats, you both in the same target audience of "liking hot anime girls", you can't admonish incels for drooling over waifu-bait, while your own jaw is dragging on the floor over that same bait as well.

No. 471536

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>>471095
>>471462
Who needs incels when lore theorists will call you a misogynist for not wanting Childe to become a woman? Does anyone who pays attention to the lore know where this shit is coming from and how credible this is? No one will be allowed to be against it without being called a misogynist.
>>471520
They don't even admonish incels. These people have more heat for fujos and any "man liker" than they ever will incels.

No. 471538

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>>471536
Wtf even is this? They think that Firefly from Hsr is a trans character and not waifubait for incels?

No. 471647

>>471498
Do fujos even care that much about being baited by Hoyo? From what I have noticed, they latch onto ships with minimal bait and keep creating content for them even after Hoyo abandons them. Like, Zhongli and Childe have had no interactions since the Liyue patch, yet they are still the most popular Genshin ship on Lofter and AO3.

>>471538
Kek don't think too much about it anon. Twitterfags are retarded, I had also seen them claiming that she is "disability representation"(whatever that means), all because she has a made-up disease that will probably never be mentioned again in the story.

No. 471671

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I feel like these are people who grew up exclusively on anime and have never actually experienced a good female characters and instead exclusively listen to video essayists who claim “Middle schooler harem in another world” is peak feminist literature and NGE is the best anime ever created. They then parrot those terrible talking points to everyone else to justify their completely un-woke favs. “Firefly isn’t my waifu, she’s actually a trans disabled allegory for oppressive masculinity and if you don’t like it when I jerk off to her infront of you, you’re a transmisogynistic pig, and maybe you should re-evaluate your latent biases as a woman who actually experience real problems, unlike me, who exists only on twitter.” I would hate yurifags less if they stuck to breakcore.

No. 471689

>>471538
Would they really make Childe a woman just to spite female players? Is this something a gacha is allowed to do after he's been playable and they used his art for White Day and even put out a picture of him in the bath to keep husbando fans from leaving? If I see people get called transphobic for not calling Childe "she" I'm going hope someone stabs Dawei.

No. 471720

I think the leakers are right about female players being too loyal. Women are more easily shamed. They believe the waifus are for them and it's misogyny to criticize the designs. They're told they're transphobic if they don't want Childe to become a woman. You'd never see men bully each other into accepting bs like this.

No. 471916

>>471671
>Writes 100k word fanfics daily

Damn bro teach me how to become this overpowered

No. 471984

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Thank you, my glorious queen Castorice for being the one to singe handedly ruin HSR and hopefully the rest of the waifu gacha industry. Hear me out everyone: Once global passives become the accepted standard and every new waifu unit comes packaged with a permanent global +10% Crit damage and speed passive, Hoyo shills will have to do increasing amounts of mental gymnastics just to continue playing the game for as long as possible. I give it a year after her release before they start filtering out due to egregious power creep being too bad for their delusion to cover. I’m even excited for when this inevitably spreads to the upcoming new open world gachas, Genshin and zzz. Because you’re high if you don’t think the Tsaritsa’s c2 isnt gonna be some stupid 20% buff to all cryo characters or fatui harbingers. ZZZ hasn’t even been out for a year and they are already BEGGING fujos to care with their yaoi Twilight event, desperately re-releasing Anby as a limited 5 star. Especially with the increasing greed with the night soul system, terrible QOL and double synergistic 5 star banners, the writing is on the wall. The short term revenue gain from this will fool them into a false sense of security, making them carelessly disregard dwindling player numbers until it’s too late.

Once other studios catch wind of how much money she will inevitably generate (It has to be Mauvika levels of revenue, minimum 80m), they will follow suit with their own global passives, causing what I call inter-studio power creep, or negative competition. This will eventually boom gacha gaming back to the stone age where every game is a P2W cashgrab cutthroat waifu collector, with huge tits constantly flopping on screen. Except this time replace shitty live2d anachronistic fantasy slop with shitty cell shaded cyberpunk splatoon ripoff 3d models. In a bid to outgoon each other each company will simply go lower. (Snowbreak) More loli, more fanservice, more leader boards, pvp, more 5 stars, more hentai, useless unless c2 r1, kill off all the men, more fear grind, beg incels, bikini skins, shirk entire western audience, TOF dorms, nipple bumps, kill lumine, bow to NTR/feminism rumors, heavier marketing. This will scare off what little remaining normies from the game, and Hoyo will be bleeding revenue, as less and less people are willing to throw their money at Hoyo, since brand loyalty is in question. It will no longer be the “safe, casual” option.

If my tinfoiling is correct, we can thank her for the future sensory tower recession, and only nonsexual gachas will survive the fall. (Pokémon, DBZ). Nonnas, if she really has revival passives, I will be whaling 1000$ on her just as a sincere thank you to whichever Megalia insider was behind this change. It is too genius to be made by a male just trying to buff his waifu and undercut the sexy bishie. Mydei was a necessary sacrifice, he will be mourned, effectively the last male character granted a penis. The shills are already talking about not caring about Castorice, and she won’t have an impact on the game. If only they knew kek…

No. 471987

>>471984
Honkai always had the worst powercreep system, genshin was never that bad

No. 471989

>>471984
I have literally no idea what the fuck you are talking about. This is the Genshin thread, you need to give some context about whatever waifu of the week is currently releasing in HSR

No. 471990

>>471987
Genshin has much more subtle power creep but it is still there. Mauvika + Citlali + Xilonen clears the entire game. When you factor in constellations, weapons, artifacts, exploration benefits, Natlan exclusivity, Genshin is one prostitute away from HSR level power creep.

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>>471989
Sorry, I assumed everyone here also played HSR. She is the newest 5 star waifu in the next patch of HSR, with a quirk in her kit that sets a dangerous precedent. Once you obtain her, you get one free team revive per battle. It does not matter whether she is in your team or not, you get revived. It’s innocent enough, but the implication is dangerous nonna. So by obtaining a character, your entire account gets better regardless of if you use her or not. So they can add whatever the hell they want to a character’s passive, and you would be compelled to pull them to increase your accounts power. Like if pulling Mauvika added 50% energy recharge to EVERY character on your account, simply because you owned her.

No. 471995

>>471984
I got cucked by many powercreeps but Castorice singlehandedly made me quit HSR because it officially entered the P2W model. You're completely right though, the night soul mechanic dug the grave and the global passive killed Mihoyo.

No. 472008

>>471987
>>471990
Nightsoul and Mavuika shilling have been obnoxious as of late. Even more obnoxious than whatever we had in Fontaine.
>BUT NEUVILLETTE
Optional. Some bosses can straight up one-shot you if you don't have a Natlan character (nightsoul shilling) and Theater of Imaginarium is a massive pain in the ass.

>>471984
Is ZZZ powercreep that bad? I know HSR has been in a dark place ever since 3.0 because of
>the powercreep and the khjillion HP bosses
>old units becoming unusuable in less than 3 patches
>Sunday potentially getting shafted because he didn't hit the jackpot according to Hoyo's standards
>HSR husbando collectors being cucked further down the line if HSR follows Genshin's treatment (no more males in the story, 1 5* male per year, etc…)

No. 472107

>>471984
>(It has to be Mauvika levels of revenue, minimum 80m)
You mean Mavuika + Citlali + Hutao CNY skin levels. Dont mind me, just doing my part in reminding everyone Hoyo had zero faith in her selling alone and they were correct to doubt that flop archon

No. 472117

>>472107
They needed four animations and a music video and 2 in game shillings from Capi and Xbala and power creep just to make people buy their waifu. And she STILL couldn’t break 100m on her own.

No. 472131

>>472117
I wonder if citlali actually sold more than her, considering she's the biggest incel bait in the game

No. 472300

>>472117
It's extremely funny to hear that the devs are just asking people what's wrong with Mavuika and even made a hoyolab post basically asking why people didn't like the Natlan characters. It's so obvious that the entire region flopped bad and Genshin is bleeding money, so they're trying to keep the lights on by mass producing sexy waifus to milk the coomerest of the coomers, but even Mizuki failed disastrously because she's a crap unit and uncomfortably out of place with her succubus motif. Watch them make that Fontaine chef girl even more blatantly sexualized than Varesa. Ifa being revealed as an uggo ruined all hope for the husbando players, even the most coping hoyoshill husbandofags that I know gave up because we all know he'll be the only tall male we'll be getting in the next 2 years and the rest will be Slutya tier traveler waifus.

No. 472328

>>472300
I can see how hoyo will have an excuse to make snowy snezhnaya characters dress skimpy.
There'd be a hypersexualized ballerina, figure skater, KGB spy prostitute, another incel-bait citlali babushka with matryoshka aesthetic and twitter will eat it up.

No. 472330

>>471671
The 100K word fanfics is false, we all know yurifags are allergic to pens.

No. 472383

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>>471984
I know I’m coping hard, but Mydei is doing surprisingly okay for a character that was basically sent out to die—dogshit kit and animation, no PV, and his banner dropping right between the anniversary patch and a Harmony unit. It’s almost as if they went out of their way to make sure he flopped. But despite everything, he managed to reach #1 on Sensor Tower (Aglaea and Tribbie couldn’t). In China, he peaked just one rank below Aglaea’s quad banner, which seems fair enough considering how badly he was sabotaged by Hoyo.

No. 472385

>>472383
It’s fine nonna, I am coping too. This is all the master plan of a genius feminist on the inside of Hoyoverse, and they Mydei is their message to us that Hoyo will fall and billions must be lost.
Also the anatomy in picrel is so deeply fucked.

No. 472426

>>472383
>surprisingly okay
I'd say he's going better than just okay, HSR became the top downloaded app in Japan over Youtube the day his banner launched.

No. 472429

>>472383
I think what sucks the most for me is that no matter how good males do, nothing will change. If anything, Mydei being sent out to die and end up doing better than waifuslop will only show that husbando pullers will roll regardless of how much they get shafted.

No. 472430

>>472383
>>472426
Imagine being such a retarded hoyoverse incel that you'd release a 1:1 Bakugou expy in one of the top earning gacha games of the current day while honestly believing there's any universe in which the CN and JP fujos who've been jerking off to that 16 year old since 2016 would ever let that man's banner flop. Kek.

No. 472432

>>472430
I thought he was a shameless Gilgamesh rip off. Bakugo isn't nearly this cool.

No. 472433

>>472430
In what fucking world is he an expy of Bakugou? They share no similarities other than being blonde. If Mydei is an expy of anyone, then it's Gilgamesh

No. 472444

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I am so unbelievably excited for Castorice’s release, I’m giddy every day. This must be how it feels to unironically be into waifus. I’m her number one shill. This is modern day “Flynn’s Booty”, and people are Reddit tier smug about being scammed. It’s like Americans celebrating tariffs, do they not realize “you too” means YOU TOO?

No. 472448

>>472444
Like lambs to the slaughter. How the fuck do they not realize that nightsoul and global passives will be the next gold standard of gacha and soon you will have to pay to win to advance in the game and the reason Genshin hit it so big was that literally any casual first timer can pick it up and play it. Oh well, at least the Chinese gacha industry will be dead.

No. 472450

>>472444
This put a smile on my face ngl

No. 472747

>>472117
>>472300
>>472107
For all that it sucks that we haven't gotten more men in Genshin, there IS something deliciously ironic in the fact that 2024 was by far the worst selling in Genshin's history yet when we only got one male 5 when 2022 was the best selling, and it's the year we got 5 male 5s (Itto, Ayato, Tighnari, Cyno and Wanderer) being the most balanced year in the history of the game so far (its the year Shenhe, Yelan, Nilou, Nahida and Yae released).
Contrary to Castoriceanon tho, I do think Mihoyo is becoming aware that fanservice is not going to save the Genshin's playerbase and sales numbers. They shot themselves in the foot by purposefully sabotaging Genshin when HSR released and never really picked it up again but at least Fontaine still met quota of earning a billion in the entire year. I think Da Wei's strategy was to appeal to a "core Hoyoverse audience" with the fanservice but that's simply not Genshin's audience, it never was. There's a reason Genshin went viral and not HI3rd and a lot has do to with the gender ratio of the game being 40/60. Women keep fandoms alive, buy merch, promote events, make fan art and fan fiction, tiktok edits, cosplays and everything. There's no random moid making a tiktok sound with Paimon's voice that goes viral and indirectly promote the game and it keep it alive on a cultural level and while women will accept a level of fanservice, there is such a thing as pushing them out, specially when other games that specifically cater to us are coming out more frequently.

No. 472751

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They don’t need to shill Furina this hard, they already discovered infinite money glitch with the omnipandering sad waifu Furina. It’s just a victory lap
>>472747
That requires them to be self aware. Maybe I’m underestimating them but I don’t believe companies like Hoyo ever plan for longevity. They will see short term benefits and chase that high because their investors will execute them if they don’t. There is no way in hell they heel-turn back to serving women during Nod Krai and Snez when they 1. Hate women, 2. Have guaranteed profit high profit from (if desperate, Signora), Columbina, Sandrone, and Tsaritsa as booby waifus. 3. Have already driven people players out in droves. And if the other doomposters are right, Da Wei is all in on HSR, and wants to ruin Genshin’s original vision out of spite and pride, not because he thinks fanservice is a last resort. The devs cant even deliver artifact loadouts, and you think they’ll change their mind on fanservice?
I want you to be right so bad, but these are moids we are talking about. Emotion driven, egotistical, and impossible to reason with.

No. 472819

>>472751
Yeah, people love to say that companies are "apolitical" and only motivated by money it's still extremely clear that it's a chosen stand to specifically not pander to women out of their own male hubris. They know women are a profitable audience, they know omnigacha will bring in the best profits which is why HI3 never came near to Genshin's success. They just don't want women to give them money. They don't want to be branded as the company giving women what they want because they want that moid gamer clout. They would rather let the company sink than go back to giving us a 40/60 gender ratio. Neuvillette alone proved that people will roll for male characters if they just have a good kit because most whales go for meta. Yet they don't care because they're moids first and foremost. Pretty sure they rolled out the nightsoul mechanic specifically to force players to roll for the characters because losing the female audience means they'll have to come up with other ways to milk players for money, i.e. pay to win mechanics.

No. 472829

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Everything about her is so exhausting… They couldn't even say she eats as much as three grown men or something, they say she eats for fifty, even eighty in a quote by Mavuika.

No. 472830

>>472829
Vore update coming to genshin

No. 472833

>>472829
She's a dedicated fatty who's of course obsessed with food because all fatties naturally are, and her "fat" model is just bigger tits and thicker thighs, AND she's a "prodigy" AND a luchadora. I fucking hate nuGenshin so much, it's simply unreal.

No. 472848

>>472829
>>472830
>>472833
Watch her whole personality being "BORP FOOD ECKS DEE" all while begging Aether to compliment her body too.

No. 472856

>>472833
She runs an orchard too and loves camping, she's such a clusterfuck.

No. 472857

>>472848
>”Is that a monster? Stand back, Aether! Even though you’re supposed to be OP, you still get clocked by hilichurls, rocks and Spotify playlists!”
>”Kyaa! Take this!”
>She squishes hilichurl with her ass
>”Oof!”
>Reuse animation of her getting up and spin around her model to showcase her ass
>”Hey Traveler, did I get anything on me?”
>Paimon: “Errn, I think you got em! Hehe!”
>”Phew. That really tired me out! Let’s go back for another repetitive conversation over food!”

Remember, they’d rather add a feeder cow prostitute to the game than pander to women.

No. 472858

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>>472830
Everything about this character pisses me off to no end. The blantant feeder fetish that's everywhere in her voicelines. The x-ray shot in her trailer. Her attack animations being a coomer's mockery of wrestling moves. Her "fat" model only having bigger thighs while still keeping her waist relatively tiny. The luchador motif that's only present in her burst but is not actually related to her sonic-sprinting and that looks jarringly out of place. Her being a pink cow for no good reason other than to probably plug her in the hoyo vtuber agency they're going to launch. I thought Mizuki flaunting her ass in her burst and her whole ASMR nukige-worthy scenes were this game's rock bottom but she's mild compared to Varesa

No. 472861

>>472829
Amberlynn Reid five star update when

No. 472862

>>472829
>prodigy
Then why does she look like a retarded toddler during her NA strings?

No. 472866

>>472862
Because all moids are pedophiles nonna

No. 472872

>>471671
The only thing wrong is the fanfics part. These yurishitters don't write fic or else they wouldn't be crying about how m/m has more fics on ao3 and why this justifies them harassing fujos and calling them "male centered". But yes, a lot of these people only know about certain classic anime like Eva, Madoka, and Utena, which is why when a Hoyo game does a reference to them they call it peak. This is also why that one troon keeps saying Childe is going to be a woman and have an Utena arc.
>>472300
Did anyone see that one interview some guy had with the devs? They just couldn't understand why people weren't crazy about Mavuika. These devs really thought she was a hit.
>>472383
>>472429
Yup, don't fall for their trap. They will shill him now and then drop him in the next planet or only milk merch. Look how they're going to shaft Sunday. I believe the reason husbandofags accept this is because this is just how we're always treated. Any anime related project catered "to everyone" always picks the straight male audience. But people are used to eating sloppy seconds from shounen anime, or from big jrpg companies, we're used to the husbandos dying or being off screened and female players being paid dirt. Every omni gacha is like this, and people get used to feeding themselves with merch and fan content. Which is why moids can never create for themselves outside of AI ugly porn, they've always been catered to. They never had to learn skills to feed themselves.

No. 472946

So they're really trooning Childe? He's going to be the male character that Hoyoshills call a woman so they can get away with calling people male centered just like that one loser does with Zhongli.

No. 472979

>>472829
Genshits fans coping when they know this entire game is to cater to scrotes

No. 473021

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>>472946
Again the Childe lorists are arguing he needs to be a girl and it's not a stupid thing for Hoyo to do because of Firefly. She really is the character who made people accept the worst waifu pandering and writing choices. But even in her case, people didn't get playable Sam for five years and then got Firefly. It would be worse for Genshin to ask husbando fans to open their wallets for Childe for five years and then suddenly make him a girl. But now they're insulated from all criticism because online troons think this is trans representation.

No. 473025

>>472866
Wait until some pickmes come in and say "But I look and act like her, are you calling ME goonerbait?!"

No. 473028

>>473025
It’s a small gripe but nothing pisses me off more than landwhale pickmes who pretend they resemble anything near an anime girl. Having triple D’s and huge thighs doesn’t count if you’re 300 pounds.

No. 473041

>>473021
I notice this person is in the same circles as all those other Hoyo fauxminists who defend the waifubait like their life depends on it and who thinks that Hoyo just wants to show strong women. All the lorefags who call people "male centered" for talking about how bad Natlan was.

Can they not get sued for this in China? For false advertising a character when they've already been playable? Hoyo would deserve hell if they do this.

No. 473047

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I know anons here are complaining abotu Fatui getting defanged, but honestly I think the worst case is Scaramouche so far. It looks like they put a 180° on him, blamed everything on Dottore and turned him into a joke where he can't even be fully used in his events.

No. 473048

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>>473047
More information on the old descriptions though. I can hear the Arlecopers saying she only brutally kills her enemies and children aren't her enemies!

No. 473049

>>473047
God we were robbed so bad, this is exactly how he appeared in the first Unreconciled Stars event and I was so hyped up for him before they completely woobified him in Sumeru. He turned from a manipulative, bratty villain into your basic edgy tsundere just looking for friends.

No. 473053

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>>473048
>>473047
As an OG Scarafag this shit is depressing. His Fatui design isn't playable and the one that is a complete goody two shoes skinwalking as him. His entire lore got erased from the game and the devs got everyone to eat that up with "M-Muh suicide". And now it predictably turns out that what was shown in the Unreconciled Stars event is but a fraction of what was originally planned for him.
There's nobody in the Fatui that got more fucked in the ass than Scara.

No. 473054

>>472830
People trying to act like this isn't purely for fetish purposes are either, dumb, blind, or both. Like why did we need to see it reach her stomach in the first place, was it meant to go somewhere else?

No. 473055

>>473047
Scaramouche was obvious to anyone who understands how storytelling should work, which isn't most of the Genshin fanbase. Back then if you called it the retcon tree and hated how it was done you'd get a bunch of "Hoyo can do no wrong and they always plan their stories well in advance" people arguing that it's not stupid to erase him and make the previous conflict set up with him become null and void. I'm not against redemption and making a guy as villainous as him playable and write the process of redeeming him, but they didn't even do that. What was so so bad about the retcon tree is everyone forgetting about him so he doesn't have to face any conflict or people who might dislike him for what he did, because there's nothing Hoyo hates more than a story conflict that doesn't get resolved offscreen or in two patches or that they can just wave off and hope you forget about it. But people will defend it saying he's not redeemed, or it's not a cop-out because he wants traveler to let people know what he did, you guys!! Even though there's no guarantee it will happen and if it does it means nothing since the victims have no memory of him, so any emotional moments are lost. I can get behind turning a villain into a tsundere guy who needs friends, but take time with it. Actually develop the character on the screen. But Hoyo can't do that because they need to sell banners right away, which makes any long term development and arc feel wasted. Instead people are happy with shit like birthday letters just telling you that Scaramouche talked to Sethos and that's all the development they need.
>>473048
These Arle stans piss me off because they keep saying she was nuanced and not retconned when we never see her act villainous towards traveler or any character. We don't see her kill anyone, just some rich asshole who sucked anyway, painting her as a hero and no different than the other vigilante characters like Diluc or Yelan. This is how you know Dottore isn't going to be playable, btw. They had him used as the fall guy for Scaramouche and now also to make Arle look good by having her say she's protecting the kids from him. Anyone expecting a playable villain in Genshin is fooling themselves.

No. 473064

>>473055
I lost Hope for Scaramouche's arc during Inazuma so his appearance in Sumeru and the retcon tree didnt bother me AS much as it normally would. I also thought it was an interesting contrast that they built with him, Dottore and Nahida there. It was also not the first time that Genshin retconned information, I remember that what Zhongli tells us before going to Inazuma ends up just being a straight up lie, and the result is much worse than what actually was implied so bc the AQ in Sumeru was actually pretty good I went easier on it in regards to his character assassination.
What actually baffles me, tho, is that there's an entire event AND a story quest setting up an eventual confrontation between Kazuha and Scaramouche that was completely null. That was what? A few patches before Scaramouche's arc? Surely by then his defanging was already planned, right? So why even fucking bother?? Did I really just waste up around 4 Hours doing a quest that set up absolutely nothing because Kazuha literally does not know who tf Scaramouche is anymore??? Are Scaramouche and Ei simply never going to meet again???? When his mommy issues is his number one defining characteristic????
I kind of hate that Genshin doesnt make alts like HSR because I feel like they do all this set up and then never fucking resolve it because there's a limit to how much copies of a character they can sell. We can literally count in one hand the number of character that have their character arcs completes: Xiao, Diona and recently Hu Tao.

No. 473069

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How it felt being a Dottore fan, a Scaramouche fan, and a Dottoscara shipper. I abandoned ship after retcon tree sunk it. Dottore made all his clones using Scaramouche’s body. What now? What about the remaining clones? What about Dottore’s resentment for Scaramouche’s continued and unconditional acceptance by society? Even on a meta level, everyone loves wanderer and insults and shuns Dottore and his fans. Being a dottoscara shipper in 2025 is on par with Wrio and the melusine. They threw it all away and they’ll never interact again because they wanted Wanderer safely out of the way and Dottore must be killed. He doesn’t even get to appear in Nahida’s birthday since Sethos already dragged him off to the sex dungeon, never to be seen again. It wasn’t even a popular ship, and they still managed to uniquely screw over fans. It’s never been this over.
if they’re both gonna die or be left irrelevant, they’re definitely star crossed lovers!

No. 473131

>>473021
I wonder why people think it'll be an existing character, and not someone like Pulcinella who's face is pretty much covered in darkness in the Teyvat trailer. I know the Teyvat trailer hasn't been the most accurate thing, but seems to me they left it open for the design change in the future.

No. 473248

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>>472830
>>472833
>>472858
Um, nonna, you're totally the weirdo for seuxlaizing her! Everything she does is totally cute and adorbs! Even though dataminers found extra bones on her ass to show that just like Mavuika, she has ass physics too!

No. 473317

>>473248
>The animation is innocent!
>Even if it is fetish content, it doesn’t matter
>Stop encroaching into spaces for adults, and ignore it! Even though this game is for children.
Never change troons, never change.

No. 473393

>>473131
People want Childe to have that lore upgrade after being teased for so long, and are so ashamed of liking a male character because all these loreists are also the side of twitter that thinks that criticizing any of the Natlan designs or writing is misogyny. They think liking husbandos is male centric so if they like one, they have to be a woman. Just like this person >>473248 who is always shitting on yaoi and fujoshi and who stans Zhongli but says that Zhongli is a lesbian so therefore they are not "male centric". Also blame Firefly because now people see a troon icon in her and so they will accept any Hoyo bait and switch as representation.

Either way it doesn't work for Childe. It will either be a new girl entirely or it could be some nonsense about him having the spirit of a girl in the past. Either way it won't stop the troops from claiming him and calling you misogynist if you still call him a "he".

No. 473728

>>466195
>>466217
>>466220
Man, just seeing the state of the game right now makes me want to legit start a gamedev career just to have a husbando game that delivers, and that doesn't consist in otome/BL and PNG collectors. At least unlike Hoyo, these games won't be plagued by male pride, nor the desire to bring female players to their knees. Worst problems Papergames had so far is greed, but it's gacha business model for you.

By the way nonna, are you a regular in the video games thread?

No. 473746

>>473728
I wish we could get a good story based rpg joseimuke game so bad. The ones that exist are like you described, PNG collectors with shit gameplay, or never get any effort put into them. The reason a lot of women will stick to omnipandering games like this that treat them like shit is because they're the only ones that get good treatment. The good budget and the good gameplay. Not all women want farming sims, or dating games or dress up games. There's nothing wrong with any of those games, of course, but moids love to talk about how women don't like real characters and real story and gameplay. That we only play games like Candy Crush or Animal Crossing that aren't about characters. And so this gender war is so bad because these moids want to stick it to women because they're angry women don't like their misogynya with their loli fetishes or the way they treat every female character as a waifu for their harem. I wish we could get a story based game with pretty and cool husbandos for women, that isn't otome or porn, but so few devs will ever want to invest in this. Instead we have to deal with Hoyo's shit because the other gachas coming out look even worse with the waifu pandering and barely any dudes.

No. 473752

>>473728
No I have never posted there, just lurking. I have been using my past few months as a NEET to work on my writing/coding for my passion projects. All of my genshin fan works have been cancelled. I’ve been trying to slowly erode my love for Dottore so I don’t inevitably cry when he is shafted. I wanted to be a developer long before Genshin, but this just adds more spite to the mix.

No. 473793

>>473728
>>473746
>>473752
It's very difficult to achieve a story based joseimuke RPG for multiple reasons:
1.if you make the MC a girl and the other characters handsome guys people will assume it's just a dating sim
2.if you make all the playable characters male, people will complain about the lack of female characters and claim that your game is misogynistic
3.if you try to yumebait and fujobait at the same time, the fandom will go in flames
4.TIFs
Women have a tendency to sabotage female led original works when their expectations aren't met and also hold them to weird moral purity standards. You're kinda forced to either go the full or implied otome-only route, or sell it as a BL.

No. 473801

>>473793
For point1 1, arent there a million rpgs/jrpgs with a male mc and attractive girls? They dont get that accusation

No. 473806

>>473793
We can split gender ratio 60/40, with men barely in the majority, but make the female characters slightly more important. We can also pull a project moon by not entertaining fan service either way, and giving characters canonical love interests. Although it would be extremely hard to fund such a game, which is why gachas rely on people being overly invested in characters made to fit their fetish. Yumes spend hundreds of thousands on birthday parties alone. Without pandering and only good gameplay, we would end up with something like Limbus Company. A good and known game, little revenue, chill fandom.

Aside from that, the crab bucketing is super real and almost inevitable with projects like this. Theres always gonna be one bpd shit stir looking to make a new callout document. Or drama in some discord server that takes away from work. Any game that starts here would be branded as transphobic/homophobic/anti male, even if games from 4chan manage to get away with worse (yandere sim went years without being criticized, despite starting from a 4chan shitpost). We would get hate from “woke” and “anti-woke”. Even if you are accepting, being near a terf makes you worse than actual pedos and nazis. Normal female creators are harassed because being a woman on the internet makes you touchable and people feel entitled to your labor. So all developers would need to unironically ftmmaxx.

No. 473828

>>473793
most of the time tho what i see people wanting is just a FeMC route for a game like Persona, sort of like something Fire Emblem already does but with a deeper social link system.
Persona 3 Portable actually already did it to much critical aclaim without any of the issues you mentioned would happen in fandom (i genuinely do not think that matters to companies at all and might actually be beneficial lol as long as people are talking about the games and buying it who cares if the fandom space is awful… most fandom spaces are awful by design). the remake not including a FeMC was very much a political decision by the ATLUS higher ups who, very expressively, do not want a female audience for their games even tho Persona has grown more and more popular with women in the last decade - they don't want to piss off their incel audience most likely and, because they are men themselves, they dont believe in the market like this
my point is, like this anon >>472751 said, it's very much an active political decision. within genshin it probably is directly related to Cao Haoyu stepping down and Da Wei taking the project, something that I think it's of note is that the CEO of Papergames and InFold (the companies responsible for Infinity Nikki and LADS) has mentioned before that he talked with Cao Haoyu about his plans for the company and Mihoyo actually helped with it's foundation by mortgaging some of their stocks so that Infinity Nikki and LADS could be developed

No. 473843

>>473801
yes but harem communities don't behave like otome communities, an RPG game like that with many husbandos would have a ton of male-male interactions and inevitably attract a fujo audience, and then yumejoshi will fight with them and ruin the experience for everyone
>>473806
once you give them separate love interests, it ruins the entire appeal of joseimuke…

No. 473848

>>473843
The only way to not be classified as a harem or otome is to limit player and npc romance. There cannot both be yume pandering and zero dating, that’s just edging. A few husbandos having wives would disable both yumes and fujos, killing the cancerous argument before it starts as neither have a leg to stand on. (Imagine if Cyno and Nilou were dating canonically.) Some yumes may just ignore the cannon wife entirely or pretend to be her. (Toji Fushiguro as an example)

No. 473914

I don't know if the leak is true, but if Seele is the cryo sovereign and Bronya is the Tsaritsa I already expect it to be boring. What is their obsession with trying to redo Hi3 over and over? Every single one of their archons who are obvious expies, like Ei and Mavuika, are bland and I expect the same here.

No. 473922

>>473843
>>473806
Limbus isn't exactly chill considering they also cater to incels. But yes, such a game could never be funded by the West without getting targeted by both moids and other women, who are out to get "man likers". Otome is acceptable, but being a fujo isn't and making something with guys that isn't romance would get you shit from both straight males and yuritroons.

>>473828
>>473843
I don't think this is necessarily true, lots of joseimuke games in Japan cater to both and fighting is unavoidable. Games like Granblue Fantasy that has self insert pandering, both yaoi/yuri bait and straight ships did fine, although I don't know the drama. Touken Ranbu helped popularize joseimuke and that got popular due to the ability of fans to make their own headcanons or versions of the characters with history as a backdrop, since the actual story is pretty thin. That's also why Genshin got so big. The story isn't super fast moving but it has the right type of worldbuilding to establish a fandom.

Games like Fire Emblem would fit too, since there's dating but people also like to ship characters because of the support system. The most popular and enduring games and fandom aren't only for self insert dating, they always do involve shipping or just having character interactions. But the problem is like what >>473828 mentioned. Even big JP companies like Atlus have women gamers but they give them nothing. There's no femc for the yumes and they won't let the male protagonist date any of the boys for the fujos. Male characters women like don't get treated well, a far cry from Persona 2 where they made a character like Jun for the female audience. That would never happen with the company now.

Genshin had a lot of flaws but it was fine the way it was. A story based rpg that has a mixed cast but even the female characters were cool and refreshing despite some outliers like Ayaka, because women like cool female characters too and aren't as crazy as the moids. The fact that they fucked up Genshin so bad, all just for incels, is what makes this so tragic. Because there is no current gacha like early Genshin and likely never will be with every dev wanting to pander to incels. Someone knife Dawei already.

No. 473924

>>473922
The Tales of series is famous for being a JRPG with an exact 50/50 split on male and female characters and besides a few rare exceptions none of the female characters are waifubait or coomery. But even that series succumbed to the gacha game cancer in the late 10's and the mothership titles are dead. Going to join the castorice sperg's cope in hoping that the global passives will kill the market for good and developers will go back to making actual games.

No. 473927

>>473922
I believe that the nuances of shipping in this theoretical game should come second to its overall appeal and why such a thing has not been produced. While gender ratios and the type of ships displayed are important for the games prolonged relevancy and fandom space, the true problem is that games for women that aren’t outright otome games simply don’t get made. Like you said, mid Sumeru genshin was the closest thing we ever had to an equal pandering gacha game. It is clear that this isn’t an issue of money or amount, as LADS rakes in the cash, but instead malice against female gamers. We all agree Genshin is tanking out of spite and not ignorance, and so is the rest of the industry. And equal opportunity games will always eventually skew towards pandering to male players. Just look at the tit monster WuWa released after Brant! Even if we magically got a dev team of volunteers without being sabotaged, how would be manage to reach women without being clobbered to death by every demographic? We could be fighting a war on all sides for women who don’t even want to be saved. Tldr: How would marketing look like? Is it as easy as just saying “For all”?

No. 473930

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>>473927
This is the current state of mixed gender gacha, where women get entire skeletons for their jiggle physics, and 2D animations for every trailer, and specialized events, while the singular ugly husbando they release in a year MAYBE gets a trailer. And there are plenty of women okay with this, and Incels who are enraged women even got something like Brant. Is it possible to get normie women to be based without just making “LADS: open world, slightly less sex”? Will they defend a normal game or will they turn pick me? It’s like plotting a campaign around swing state voters!

No. 473973

>>473930
I'm not even sure WuWa is even a good comparison bc I doubt it's playerbase has even near the gender split that Genshin ever had. the entire game seems as if it's advertised in comparison to Genshin, so the extremely sexualized designs for the girls is just a reflection of incel complaints about how "safe" Genshin's designs were
at the end of the day, gooner characters are just an easy way to print money. if a game is solid and interesting enough to stand on it's own, it won't need any special advertising than what we've seen with genshin. it's why whenever a game falls back into hard times they up those antics like genshin is doing rn but when a game doesnt have that audience to begin with, it simply doesn't work
a good example, i think, is project sekai, the vocaloid gacha rhythm game. for a long time gacha rythm games genre was dominated by lolibait shit with idolm@ster, love live and bandori. when gacha games were starting up it was actually one of the most reliable ways to produce a long lasting game and, overtime, and certainly because of the success bandori got with a mixed gender audience, companies tried to expand it to appeal more to women. so enstar and utapri live were released somewhat close to one another and represent both fujos with enstar and yumes with utapri (utapri was initially a otoge IP even), both utapri and love live JP and EN servers shut down in the last 3 years because the company managing them went bankrupt but they were not really faring that well to begin with since enstars was dominating the market
but even with enstars and bandori being really massive, when project sekai released in 2020 it completely wiped out its competition, up until this year it's still the top grossing rhythm gacha in the market and one of it's main characteristic is its split cast (there's 6 male characters in a cast of 26 characters, and the 4 original ones are constantly the most popular characters in the cast) (there's also one character, mizuki, who's gender is… left to interpretation? very much implied to be a transwoman or, at least, a crossdresser - and i mean actually implied in game and not in the fandom's headcanon, in mizuki's character card their gender is "???")
being omnipandering really works in favor of project sekai and i find that it's fanbase is a lot more open to multishipping and conversations between fujos and general shippers is a lot more cordial. my point with all of this is, whenever fujos or yumes (or just normal straight shippers in general) aren't fighting for scraps, they do not tend to be as vitriolic with each other as they are in the genshin community

No. 473983

>>473973
So you’re saying a lot of cagey behavior is due to a scarcity mindset? If they feel like the devs are on their side, there’s no need to make huge schitzo rants about their ships secretly being cannon, because they never feel threatened by the content in game.

No. 473988

>>473983
basically, yeah, if the output was constant since release (even if the male characters were constantly in a 40 to 60 ratio in the game) and characters interacted with each other equally and normally all the infighting wouldnt happen in the scale it does because there's no reason to feel threatened since everyone operates under the assumption that no relationship will ever be truly canon and everyone knows they will be eventually 'fed'

No. 473991

>>473988
The only way to fix shipping drama is to make every ship cannon. Because when it’s all cannon, nothing is.

No. 473999

>>473973
>gooner characters are just an easy way to print money
Is it really? I see people say this a lot but coom gacha games are always selling significantly low. Enough to survive but not this massive easy bankroll that moids like to perpetuate. Otherwise even Genshin would be performing well for Natlan with the direction its taken.

No. 474119

>>473930
Women who crawl back to WuWa simply because of Brant fascinate me. Why do you want to hurt yourself like this? There's no husbando interesting enough to make me want to stare at female characters running around in lingerie with carefully modeled tit and ass jiggle physics.

>>473999
Yeah as you said, if coom sold as well as moids are always claiming, Genshin wouldn't have had its profits halved after going full goonermode. Snowbreak took the full on porn route and nobody is playing it. Men aren't a faithful audience who will stick through thick and thin just in promises of a crumb of CGI pussy, they will bail the moment a new shiny gacha dangles its waifu keys in front of their faces and they're the first ones to yell "dead game" when a new patch doesn't have two new continents and three new story quests. Gluttonous moid players are the reason most gacha games reach their EOS in 2 years.

No. 474120

>>473988
Why do we even need straight shipping that doesn't involve yumejoshi in a joseimuke game? Some of you are for real suggesting to give the husbandos canon wives wtf WHO asked for that?? Like good idea, now you alienated 3/4 of your fanbase. Straight shippers don't need more pandering, they can easily create their own OCs if they're so desperate. First of all, I want a husbando game, I don't care about waifus, we are here to sell a fantasy for female weebs and I'm NOT rolling for used goods. I don't give a shit about muh "complex" male and female friendships and dynamics either. The point is to develop a husbando game similar to how moids have hundreds of waifu games. We don't need more omnipandering garbage.
Just make something like LADS but RPG and with more interactions between the guys. The female MC can be fully customizable and like honkai she can be put in some sort of captain/leader role, while the husbandos are playable with different abilities.

No. 474121

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>>473991
>cannon

No. 474123

>>474120
The game can also make it clear from the start that no ships will ever be canon, and that fans are open to choose a yumejoshi or fujoshi experience or a yumefujo one (this is the one I would choose kek). It would be similar to enstars. The husbandos flirt directly with the MC but also have strong dynamics with one another, fueling fujo fantasies. But the selling point would be the gameplay and the plot, everything else will be just fanservice.

No. 474129

>>474121
Kek thank you anon, that misspelling is driving me up the wall.

No. 474130

>>474123
Isn't this practically what Enstars is and it's been in operation for a decade now staying as relevant as ever? But yeah only waifus sell and women aren't a profitable audience etc.

No. 474143

>>474120
The first posters here didn’t want an exclusively husbando gacha so I was attempting to give them a solution. We don’t need to all agree since this is basically irl fanfiction for what lolcow would want in a game. But I’m curious, just how many of you guys want your own version of Snowbreak, WuWa, Genshin, VRs a more “honorable” type of game. Because I assumed we were imagining the typical “story game”, like final fantasy.

No. 474154

>>474143
They said joseimuke but make it open world RPG like genshin and infinity nikki. Joseimuke media focuses on a male cast through female lenses, as soon as you add waifus to the mix it turns into general audience. Yes, even if said waifus aren't goonerbait, it's still general audience and not joseimuke.

No. 474163

>>474154
So joseimuke is like otome but without explicit romance so that fujos also have fun by pairing up the all male cast? Also I thought if the women were non sexualized or even not playable, the game would still strictly be female, such as mc in LADS having many female friends at her workplace. I’d say no man is gooning to the girl with the bob cut but I guess even the possibility a moid would join is too much.

No. 474165

>>474163
A game with mixed gender cast will attract a varied audience regardless of how sexualized the characters are. And I personally really don't see the point of adding random female characters, I'm not a lesbian, nor do I enjoy yuribait or straight shipping.

No. 474168

>>474167
>But if she means that there shouldn't be any female characters at all or else it stops being joseimuke, she's just dumb.
This thread (and many others) has reoccurring posters who unironically want a harem game where bishounens want to date them and no girls are allowed to exist and conflate that as being "joseimuke". I don't even need shipbait or romance at all, I just want a good fantasy RPG with a nice story and cool characters regardless of gender with no waifushit coomery.

No. 474169

>>474168
It's not a crime to want the same thing others have on a wide scale, so I can feel for those posters. I also believe women should have their open world gacha that isn't just a dress up game casino. But I also want a story game that dosen't always revolve around my attraction to a character. We are all just pitching games we want under the shared banner of wanting better for female gamers, no problem with that! I am personally ingorant to the definition of Joseimuke, since I only recently discovered there was a world of gacha games outside of playing love Nikki as a child. So thank you everyone for the clarification google wouldn't provide.

No. 474173

>>474163
>So joseimuke is like otome but without explicit romance
No, you got it backwards, otome is a joseimuke genre, as is BL.
>I thought if the women were non sexualized or even not playable, the game would still strictly be female(-oriented)
She's retarded, joseimuke can have female side characters. Joseimuke literally means "female-oriented", anything that is female-oriented is joseimuke by definition. It's just that a lot of Japanese games explicitly aimed at women these days are mobile gacha slop with a cast of pretty boys (mostly otome or non-romance), and same for danseimuke games except it's pretty girls instead. So a lot of people in the west have come to associate the term joseimuke with a cast of bishounen/ikemen, sometimes not even including otome and BL and using the term joseimuke strictly for non-romance stuff. But that's wrong, I've even seen Infinity Nikki be referred to as a joseimuke game in Japanese, and the term "danseimuke" is also being used in Japan to refer to games such as slot machine apps and FPS games. I've seen Japanese women ask if there are yuri games aimed at women and not scrotes and they use the term "joseimuke". The terms simply mean "for women" and "for men", it's just that mobage waifu/husbando collectors is so common nowadays that it's easy to assume that's all dansei/joseimuke can be.

As far as eroge goes, Fate/Stay Night is obviously a danseimuke game (game for moids), but there's still many important male characters. Same with Majikoi. Neither of these two eroge would be considered "mixed gender" or "general audiences" by anyone. If you do care about the story and gameplay first and foremost, and want to make the romance, shipping, and/or coombait secondary, adding some side female characters (non-sexualized) as well as main male characters (husbandos) shouldn't be a problem. Moids are capable of having male characters in their games.

I think what she means is that the main cast (collectible characters if gacha, romanceable characters if otome or BL) should only be male (although, in theory, a joseimuke yuri game should be possible). That means that you can have female side characters that are obviously not made as waifubait. But if she means that there shouldn't be any female characters at all or else it stops being joseimuke, she's just dumb. Like I said, even danseimuke games have male characters aside from the protagonist. Though perhaps new gacha audiences give a different impression since so many gachaincels are super sensitive about male characters existing in the same game as their waifus and the devs pander to these schizos, but gacha slop isn't the only kind of danseimuke or joseimuke there exists, so it's wrong to conflate these two terms with this concept of "gacha game with only characters of the opposite sex".

Now, wanting an exact replica of this paranoid gachaincel game model:
>all waifus, no male characters that could potentially "cuck" the player or that the player has no sexual interest in "because I'm not gay" since the game's only purpose is to provide coom material
but with the sexes inverted, is something I support.
But that's not the only type of joseimuke game, and there are other women who just want a high quality game, not necessarily gacha, with a good story and good gameplay, and a mix of male and female characters, but only the male characters are meant to be sexually appealing. I also support this, since this exact thing is seen time and time again with the sexes inverted and I'm sick of it. There's so many games made by moids that are not obviously sexist, but when you play them you realize how scrotey they are because the male characters are cool, ugly and strong and the female characters all have an element of coombait or are useless and unimportant. I want this but with the sexes inverted, too.
I want more of both and everything in between, coomer games for women, and games for women with cool "ugly" female characters and eye candy male characters.

No. 474184

>>474173
Excellently articulated point nonna, you hit the nail on the head. Having more high budget 3d "femcel" games is a universal good. But it doesn't necessarily mean all joseimuke games must be that.

No. 474195

>>473973
This comment is strange to me because I see nothing but drama from the Project Sekai fandom. A lot of hate about fujos because they don't think it should be popular when most of the cast is girls, same shit as Hoyo games.
>>473988
>since everyone operates under the assumption that no relationship will ever be truly canon
You're assuming too much because this is mainly a Westoid thing from people who don't understand shipbait. People obsess over what ship is secretly canon in Hoyo games because they want to be right and they can cling onto the excuse of censorship. Never mind the many JP gachas that also shipbait without confirming anything as canon. Even some big het shipwars are running off the fact that someone will be proven right and their ships will be canon even though nothing will ever be confirmed (FFVII).
>>474168
>>474169
I believe more people want this than you know. Look at most of the most popular male characters with women, it's not mainly otome guys. A lot of them got iconic enough when they were from general story ideas. Games that were for everyone but had male characters who appealed to women too always got big, something like Fire Emblem or the Tales games before they also became relegated to gacha hell were like that. We just keep running into the same issue of having to be reliant on moid devs who hate having a female audience. Genshin when it first started out was fine and that's exactly why it got so big. It got the fans who were waiting in between Fire Emblem installments, or who used to like games like Final Fantasy games before they tried being like generic Western action rpg slop. This is why the incels wanted to push women out of Genshin. This is why the devs suddenly catering to those incels and allowing them to bully women is so bad, since it's this long in the game's story and so many people already sunk in time and money into the game. They keep pushing back fucking Snezhnaya too so less people will quit. Which is why you have people with sunk cost saying it's not that bad. Even other women are not helping, they'll never go after incels or be angry. They accept bad treatment for their husbandos because this happens with every series. They accept horrible fanservice designs of the female characters because they're told it's sexist to criticize it. No one will ever hold Hoyo accountable for anything so they can keep getting away with it because there's nowhere else for these players to go. They couldn't wait until Snezhnaya to do this sudden Honkai writing. At least Wuwa showed its true colors early on. Genshin though? With how slow gachas take to come on and even with how anime jrpgs are flopping or also take too long to come out, you can expect another year or two of sunk cost. I don't know what development could happen that would tank Genshin's reputation for good. Not so long as you still have lorefags coping.

No. 474201

>>473973
>fujo with enstar
Holy kek. As if enstars didn't have a shitton of yume fanservise from the very beginning.
>bandori has a gender mixed audience
I genuinely have never seen a man being into bandori lmao.
>prosekai wiped out enstar
Stop pulling shit out of your ass and go back to twitter. Everything you say is simply false.

No. 474203

>>474169
Same, I do understand why people nonnas might want it but it's honestly something that it's easier to find in other genres that aren't Action RPGs. In general, I think an hyperfixation on romance is the issue maybe? Romance as a subplot has always been more compelling to me personally than whenever a game or book focuses solely on it.


>>474195
>I don't know what development could happen that would tank Genshin's reputation for good. Not so long as you still have lorefags coping.
Genshin is already suffering tremendously but I doubt it will ever not be at the top.

No. 474208

>>474203
nta, but I agree with you, nonna. I think the shift towards expecting that every new game/books/etc. has romance or at least shipping bait in it has resulted in a lot of modern media being really bad. And yes, I do blame the fans for that because way too many of them eat up any kind of bait (regardless if it's straigh, fujo or yuri), no matter how sloppy it is. Just focus on the story, shippers are gonna ship anyway. We shouldn't NEED fanservice to play with our "barbies", we did so without in the past.

No. 474219

Shipping is kinda retarded anyway, you can't tell me in this group of 10 people everyone has found the love of their life with ease and there's no drama involving cheating, break ups, rejections or one person getting all the attention. I didn't like the love triangle in korra but it was kinda realistic, especially with mako behaving like the most realistic scrote messing up with two girls, like relationships are incredibly dumb.

No. 474267

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Just got c2 Furina

No. 474291

>>474267
congrats, nonna! i lost my 50/50 to jean and now im a bit scarred of keeping up… i doubt we will get anything good soon tho so i might as well cave and use my guaranteed on her anyway actually

>>474208
yup and i genuinely think some of the best ships are unintentional ones. if a story has strong characters and meaningful characterization then people gravitating to the dynamics between x or y pair is just a natural consequence but because fans are so eager for any kind of "bait" companies and writers will try to pander to them in a really shallow way. it's why so much of writing today has become trope-y

No. 474354

>>473930
Meanwhile on twitter the gacha feminists will sound like incels when they say it's the exact same thing and you can't call the pic on the right goonerbait because the pic on the left has his chest showing.

No. 474365

>>473924
I don't think it will, sadly. People will accept anything due to company loyalty or obsession with their waifus.

>>474119
These moids are very destructive, give an inch and they take a mile. They'll move on to find something else which is why Genshin kneeling to them is beyond stupid. As we can see, the normie audience would put up with a lot about Genshin, but instead they tried to get incels back when incels do nothing but destroy. It's not a choice made out of rationality, but pure spite.

>>474208
The need for everything to be self insert now is killing fiction. Nothing but Wattpad slop and isekai trash and now gacha is being sucked dry by incels who want every big budget game to pander to their harem building ML fetish. Early Genshin was actually good because people made up ships on their own, they didn't everything to be sold to you as canon. Even the Hyv designated "assigned ships" feel stale because it feels too much like someone trying to capture what makes fan ships popular but not getting why. We don't need every character to be either yumebait or shipbait, characters should exist and interact and if ships form based on the strength of interactions or even just imagining how cool they'd be together because both characters have strong defined personalities, that's good too. It should be about the story first and not only trying to assign self insert bait. This is also why we have such bland characters now. You can't have a rival or a playable antagonist who actually challenges or isn't nice to the mc because people take it personally, especially the moids. Why do you think we have no antagonist women in these games?

No. 474384

>>474365
Mainly because incels will reeee and fill the internet with death threats against the evil feminist developers and rape threats to her voice actor and post constant schitzo rants about violently abusing her. They already view women who don’t suck their micro penis as antagonistic, so imagine the freak out if Skirk or Arlechinno was rude to Aether.

No. 474447

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>>474201
Nonna, I don't know what convinced you that Bandori's audience is mostly women but despite the western "audience" being mostly preteen girls on twitter, the JP audience is decidedly mixed and leaning towards men. Bandori itself started out as a K-On! clone in a shounen magazine, and they wanted to capitalize on the sort of moe ressurgence with the games (you can even see it on how bandori's board on /vg/ is much more active than proseka's or enstars, for example. That's why most of the collabs the game gets are other shounen anime like Re:Zero, Toaru, Tokyo Revengers, Chainsaw Man… Like, compare that to ProSeka's collabs: Sanrio and Enstars. Picrelated is an example of the cards people pull in that game, come on, it's full on fanservice, most of it's core japanese audience are men, it just happens that it became big and girls like to play it too the same what moeshit sometimes does. Also, I'm sorry, maybe I wrote it too harshly but what I mean with the Enstars comparison is that it used to be easily the top grossing game of the genre and since Project Sekai released in 2020 they never managed that again, and ProSeka has been constantly beating it revenuewise


>>473999
Of course, Genshin is proving that rule wrong but what I meant is that it's seen as a surefire way to gain a market. It's not really a loyal one, like other anons pointed out, specially now that it's highly competitive but for a long time the objective was making a character the most appealing possible and that includes being as sexual as possible and pandering to an incel audience. Of course, that was before gachas stopped being a niche genre and casuals started flocking into it.

No. 474458

>>474447
How did they make an anime pinup without sex appeal? There’s no way moids even like this. The colors are nice but the photo would be cuter or more seductive if she had a skirt.

No. 474531

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In the 0.0001% chance she isn’t complete coombait I’m going to pull for her, I like Noelle’s design and she looks similar. It’ll probably be ruined once we see her breasts and legs though.

No. 474538

>>474531
Meh, another 5 star?

No. 474540

>>474538
Yep, cryo and hydro res shredder.

No. 474542

>>474538
I don't even play anymore but when was the last new male 5* star released (excluding Kinich)? Surely must have been at least a year right?

No. 474547

>>474531
i already hate how much the purple from her skirt clashes with the blue in her hat. but a character who's a chef could be an interesting idea

>>474538
insane that now even the gimmicky "the only thing this character has is her profession" designs are 5*s when it's a girl

No. 474549

>>474547
We already have Xiangling. Think about it, now we're going to have to hear about Paimon sperg about food for a 10 hour story quest.

No. 474556

>>474542
Leakers say we're gonna have playable Durin and that he will have the short boy model. Watch him being the only 5* of 2025.

No. 474562

>>474556
Dear God no! Was Sethos not enough?? Leave Scara to die, I beg of you! Half of his simps already moved on…

No. 474563

To the surprise of absolutely no one, Ifa is "supposedly" a 4 star too.

No. 474568

>>474562
They so blatantly want to keep Scara relevant… Let him rest hoyo, please

No. 474570

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>>474531
I’m shocked she’s a chef despite the health code violations. Neuvillette should have thrown her ass in metropede forever ago

No. 474583

>>474570
Notice how she's bareback and barearms. The apron fetish is coming off strong already.

No. 474626

>>474563
I honestly believe he was originally a 5 star but they switched him with chasca yikes

No. 474631

>>474563
Of course, they don't wanna overshadow the only 5* present in the tribal quests. On the other hand, his movement mechanic is gonna suck too. Still better than the Qucusaurus but still shit compared to some bratz prostitute on a giant gun.

No. 474665

>>474531
What random traits are they going to slap on her in an attempt to give her a personality?

No. 474666

>>474563
>>474626
>>474631
The guy who said he's a 4* also said he's a bow character and datamines have proven that wrong. There's the tiniest shred of copium that he's a 5.

No. 474671

>>474665
She's not just a peppy chef but also a social media influencer, welder, molecular biologist and avid poet.

No. 474672

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>5.8 might have another hydro woman 5*
That leaker isn't to be trusted but lol
I play mainly for the open-world experience, characters have always been secondary to that and I never spent a dime in this game, but this shit is wearing even me down. I'll stick to getting cons for the characters I already have from now on.

>>474666
His kit is out. He clearly is not.

No. 474674

>>474671
She also harvests Saurian meat and has a Melusine under her chef’s hat.

No. 474701

>>473064
>I feel like they do all this set up and then never fucking resolve it because there's a limit to how much copies of a character they can sell.
This is the real problem with Genshin and just gacha as a whole. Alts don't work for this game, but then the game itself sets upon so many open arcs and plot points for future developments and they just do nothing with it. You can't tell if a character will have their lore revealed, or an actual arc, if they don't sell. But then not knowing the full picture of a character can also make them not sell, which dooms any future development. That's why they had to make an animation for Arle's past in order to sell her. They can complete some character arcs, but only if it involves traveler saving them. The format of the game itself works against good storytelling where characters can develop over time. You know damn well Scaramouche and Ei are never getting anything resolved, which is exactly why I hate that retcon tree and the Scaramouche fans who said it was good writing.

>>474384
Old leaks surfaced actually proving that initially Arle was going to be more antagonistic and working with Dottore. I have no hope for characters like the Tsaritsa now. The problem with making Dottore the fall guy is it means the Tsaritsa can't have any agency. They can't make her look bad for having this guy in her organization, so expect Pierro to also be to blame and the one who's in charge of the bad harbingers like Dottore. This is also why they had to have Skirk disrespect Childe and glaze the traveler, but Childefags won't admit that Hoyo shits on his character.

>>474447
That statement confused me too. Bandori does have a lot of female fans but it's as delusional as saying no men like yuri or yuribait franchises. There's a lot of men who play those games. Those games weren't too afraid to let female characters even have male relatives for a reason.

>>474562
Is it me or does Hoyo do this on purpose to get fans to fight? We know they love controversy. They not only love that incels hate Scaramouche, they also know they can piss off other female players because their husbandos don't get the same treatment and appearances Scara gets. I wouldn't put it past them to create this scarcity mindset so that women fight each other and don't go after Hoyo.

No. 474714

>>474531
I can't believe so many of the five stars are such boring characters with no lore or any personality. It's five years in the game and we're still wasting time with such bland people as five stars. Other games don't make the majority of their playables just random people with boring jobs like this.

No. 474723

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CASTORICE! Cause the 2025 Gacha stock market crash, and my tax return, is yours! I don’t care if I am hard coping, Canterella has only sealed the deal! They have added their own pastel global passive monster to Wuwa. The other devs are already following the leader, even just by a little bit. It’s only a matter of time nonnas! Let us start a prayer circle the next global passive is something dumb like +100 hp for max level characters from pink Barbra, so that they’ll actually be excited for +5% crit dmg. By the time they realize the game is unfixable, it’s too late for rollbacks. She has the potential to kill every new 3D gacha. Just like how they all adopted the 50/50, they will take global passives to try and compete with Hoyo. Anata/Project Mugen, Arknights, Azure Promillia, NTE. All dead in the water. It’s only a win for us if Castorice comes out. Maybe we’d get that joseimuke game we’ve been brainstorming if the eventual mass EOS makes room for us. Even if global passives aren’t widespread, which is unlikely, with a lack of a female audience, hoyo will have to wrestle for moid attention with minimum 5 other 3D open world waifu gacha games. Which leads back to more greed, never innovation.

Also holy shit kek, I’m so glad I never cared about brant. Must release literal hentai afterwards to compensate for the sin of a male character.

No. 474724

>>474723
>Also holy shit kek, I’m so glad I never cared about brant. Must release literal hentai afterwards to compensate for the sin of a male character.
What the fuck did happen?

No. 474729

>>474724
Brant was the first 5 star male added to Wuwa in months and people were glazing him like never before. He was kinda cute, kinda quirky, whatever, nothing to yume about. Immediately after he comes out, they push him off to the side for their latest whore, Cantarella. If I’m correct she is the only character to get a dedicated 2d animation in their COMBAT trailer, not their character trailer. And of course it’s extremely sexual, likely taking a page from ZZZ. I can only assume they did this 180 heel turn to soothe the incels crying about the crumbs of pandering female players get, so they had to compensate with her. Her boobs move independently of her.

No. 474733

>>474729
This is the game Genshin wants to be. Why do these devs even make male characters? Just go full waifu. Even the hardcore incels won't touch these games because of the men, they cry "mixed toilet", so who is this for?

No. 474738

>>473930
There’s a direct comparison over here for you with what we’re dealing with concerning genshin’s “killer”. I didn’t think kuro was this low on money. Absolutely pathetic. Not even Varessa is this low.

No. 474742

>>474733
Its because deep down moids know waifu only games are something to be embarrassed about, so they throw in a random male or two to look “better” than those gross coomers who only play hentai games!

No. 474743

>>474738
Nothing wuwa does is stopping their sales from free-falling, no wonder they’ve gotten this desperate tbh. I wont be surprised if this goblin flops too.

No. 474744

>>474742
This. They'll preserve that one small sliver of respectability before crossing over to full on Snowbreak level embarrassing trashy gachacel hentai game, and additionally that keeps the coping husbandofags around who swear the game will give them another Brant next year.

No. 474746

>>474744
I'm telling you, one thing is people won't leave because of the lack of options. I heard the game Ash Echoes has more of an equal gender ratio, but it's not open world so most people won't play it. People only want the open world games, so the games that do have a pretty decent gender ratio and no coom don't get attention. Fans who got sick of Genshin won't quit Wuwa, and many Genshin fans won't quit Genshin because this change is recent and many have sunk in years into the game. A real game changer would need to come out, and it'd need to be a real story based game. LADS sells but it's otome, so all it does it tell devs that female players belong in the otome ghetto. I don't think that should be the only option.

No. 474750

>>474746
The imaginary-game-development sperging shall rise again! Be the change you want to see and start unitymaxxing.

No. 474751

>>474729
>>474738
why are gooner alergic to any sense of fashion and style? this outfit is so atrocious it makes Kokomi look like a Miu Miu model

No. 474767

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>>474751
>>474738
>>474729
Notice how it doesn't stop retarded trannies and handmaidens with a porn addiction.

No. 474868

>>474672
Am I just reading this wrong or is this actually an awful kit?

No. 474876

>>474868
It's a pretty good kit. Stronger than Heizou, probably a sidegrade to Sucrose that's much easier to play, and much much better than Mizuki since he can trigger Xingqiu's swords. He'll probably be the new go-to for taser teams, which is really where most Anemo DPSes minus Xiao shine anyways. It's essentially Mizuki but a thousand times better unless his numbers are so gimped he can't function.

No. 474890

>>474876
Nta, but colour me intrigued. I like playing taser, but I won't get my hopes up too high because if the current coomer wife won't sell, Hoyo will probably nerf him to oblivions just to spite the few female players left. My hope is they'll rerun Kinich with Ifa, so I can get the former's C2. By the way, does Ifa work at C0 or is he like Faruzan, where you want him at C6 preferably?

I finally got Xianyun and was also able to snatch a copy of Iansan (though I don't even know if I have any use for her).

No. 474891

>>474890
I’m not an expert but his constellations look pretty dogshit to me, they’re mostly EM based.

No. 474913

>>474531
>It’ll probably be ruined once we see her breasts and legs though.
It's all so tiresome.

No. 474914

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>>474913
Whoops forgot to spoiler it.

No. 474915

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And this is Ifa. The discrepancy between his splash art and in game model…

No. 474916

>>474914
I hate her design. Without the chef’s hat you would have no idea what she’s supposed to be. Also looks like she’s into ice sculptures for food.

No. 474923

>>474914
Turns out it's not even an apron but fucking lingerie? Just like Slutarella? Eww.

No. 474929

>>474915
Thats the least of our worries, look! I would bet money he's a 4 star! And neither of the splash arts look like they're in the correct art styles.

No. 474933

>>474913
>>474914
AYRT, and… what the fuck.

No. 474936

>>474914
Imagine putting this character next to navia and furina

No. 474939

>>474914
this design gives me much stronger circus performer vibes than chef. I hate how much the accent colours don't go together.

No. 474942

Escoffier is basically naked under her shitty apron, her pussy out, no bra, coomer thighs, weird tail resembling a succubus (what's the obsession with giving waifus tails??) it's over

No. 474945

>>474914
T minus 40 seconds until the frist "OMG she's so cute, I don't understand all the hate!" hits the second tower.

No. 474946

>>474942
>Make two characters succubi back to back
What the fuck?

No. 474949

>>474923
That's the point, they want to be WuWa and ZZZ soooo bad, but they know they would never get away with it. So they'd have to go slow.

No. 474950

>>474946
>meanwhile dahlia lost his tail and bat wings

No. 474954

>>474950
Do we already have leaks of his design?!

No. 474955

>>474954
His silhouette in the teaser from a few months ago doesn't have them

No. 474956

>>474954
We got his official silhouette and I noticed he doesn't have bat wings and a tail like he did in his concept art.

No. 474958

>tfw they got rid of dahlia's bat wings so they can use them on a future vampire waifu
Of course, male characters are losing all the cool elements so they can make them plain and boring, instead the waifus get all the interesting gimmicks

No. 474959

>>474914
>Retarded Oreimo face
>Actual burlesque lingerie instead of anything even remotely resembling a chef's uniform
>Armpit fetish once again
>Is that a demon tail, please don't tell me she also has some kind of a Mizuki succubus deal going on

>>474954
He's gonna be a shitty on-field 4-star cryo bow DPS, just you watch.

No. 474960

>>474959
It's not a real tail, it's part of her outfit but it looks retarded like why you need a fork tail that looks like a demon tail when we already had mizuki and her succu- i mean baku tail, then varesa and her cow tail.

No. 474961

I foolishly fell for Brant, and Kuro immediately followed up with coombait that hoyo could only ever dream of. I'm only throwing my hard earned money at LADS from now on.
>>474915
damn, he looks good They put him in the same one leg bent pose they put all the other guys in lul
>>474767
I knew the dream was ending the entire character video but it was game over and obvious that Kuro gave in to the coomers when it got to this part. Why do these companies always side with trash?

No. 474962

>>474914
i would not trust this whore with preparing my food

No. 474963

File: 1742993680500.jpeg (6.92 KB, 239x210, DahDah.jpeg)

>>474958
I knew hoyo wasn't based enough to release a short vampire cat churchboy. I celebrated too early, they got rid of everything! I bet his hair isn't even pink anymore. Too much personality and appeal left.

No. 474964

>>474963
They realized it's too "sexy" and don't want to offend incels like what happened when lyney was released

No. 474967

>>474914
i'll be honest nonnas, this design would not bother me THAT much if it wasnt for this >>474950 info, now im just pissed give me my devil shorty you cowards why can men have everything and still want more
anyway other than the obvious desperation clear in her design choices i hate how only her hat and heels have the blue details while everything else is purple - those pieces look like they belong to different outfits. wish everything was purple instead because it's a pretty collor and also I think if she had long sleeves and her back wasnt exposed it would be an ok design, i like the heart shapes
i dont get the tail and random feathers tho

No. 474968

File: 1742993883070.png (1.38 MB, 1200x1200, IMG_6093.png)

>>474914
According to the oratrice mecanique d'analyse cardinale you are to spend the rest of your days in the fortress of meropede. Your crimes against health and safety come to an end.

No. 474969

>>474967
I guess she's supposed to be based on a swan kek?

No. 474970

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>>474914
She has a weird pussy outline and an obvious side boob, this is just ridiculous.

No. 474971

>>474970
The fetish was naked wife wearing only an apron

No. 474972

>>474967
They saw Cantarella's stupid thigh highs, screamed in jealosuy, and ran to amend all the art to try and compete with them. That is why she looks so confusing.

No. 474973

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>>474970
She looks like dahlia with the tail and faux horns.

No. 474974

Frankly I'm quite surprised female chinese fans dislike all these coomer waifus because western female fans are all giga pick mes who slurp all the goonbait. I remember like 13 years ago when feminists were making fun of all the retarded oversexualized outfits female characters are given, then somehow that turned into sexual liberation that turned into worshipping onlyfans whores, fake "sapphics" and now you're the misogynist if you dislike sexualized designs. In the end moids still win.

No. 474975

>>474969
if i squint really hard i could see that with the little curl in her hair? but nothing else in her design tells me about it, the tail is just weirdly long and more similar to a demon tail

>>474970
lowkey upset bc the heart motif would be cute if she wasn't half naked. I wish the black shoulderpad thing was on both arms too

No. 474979

>>474914
naked apron lmaooo

No. 474980

Some chinese leakers/insiders are claiming that mihoyo adds male x female shipping crumbs to make incels despise husbandos and fight with female fans, so mihoyo can justify the lack of new male characters and honestly, this make a lot of sense. It's also why they create drama between female fans, like making yumejoshi fight fujoshi. Cause infighting between fans, provoke them so they hate each other and not you, the company, then slowly stop adding new male characters and focus only on incels.

No. 474981

>>474974
It all comes down to the whole "sex work is work, women sexualising themselves for the male gaze is empowering" mantra people started spewing. Way too many women, especially Gen Z, have bought into it, and it's hard not to when it's been shoved down your throat all your life.

>>474956
>>474963
I completely missed that and though I should know better by now, I'm disappointed all over again. I was so looking forward to the cute devil boy. I wasn't even expecting him to be good (because let's face it, Hoyo makes male characters shit on purpose), but to ruin his design too so they can make their latest 5 star whore more sexualised - fuck you, Hoyo! I hope the Varesa and Escoffier banners will both bomb.

No. 474982

>>474980
I've also seen them provoke yumejoshi to fight other yumejoshi like xiao stans fighting scara stans

No. 474983

>>474970
Somehow they managed to do worse than Charlotte and Chevreuse, except these two had the "excuse" of being 4. This one is a 5 and she carries the same retarded face as LanYan too.

No. 474984

>>474970
This design genuinely looks like cleaned up AI slop. That's all I can say.

No. 474985

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>>474963
I'm mentally preparing myself for when they'll strip his personality down completely and make him boring squeaky clean filler instead of the clearly mischievous vampire/imp boy the concept art was going for because it offends incel sensibilities. Watch them murder the tiny little fang he had in his concept art, too
>>474984
I unironically believe that all concept artists got fired in Fontaine and that most Natlan designs post Kinich and Mualani are AI generated, with Emilie being their proof of concept. I refuse to believe someone human consciously designed Xilonen, Chasca, Citlali and Mavuika, especially if you compare their designs to the other leaked Big Boss materials.

No. 474986

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>>474970
I wonder what's her personality is going to be. Chef but she's also a secret agent and an investigator of the Abyss who also directly works for Neuvilette and she's besties with Wrio?
Holy shit this design is such a clusterfuck
>Weird ribbon thing that looks like a succubus tail
>Ahoge
>Whole outfit looks like someone took a full maid outfit and did retarded cuts on it
>Asymmetry
>Slutarella garters
>Detached sleeves looking out of place
>No bra, just a sideboob under the apron
>Kit apparently tailored for Skirk, their Honkai slut for 5.7
Betting my lunch money Durin's design is going to be udnerwhelming as well.

No. 474988

Every time I think this game can't get worse I get fed a harsh dose of reality again

No. 474990

I just realized, if Ifa is a 4 star, and they already neutered Dahlia, then we will have NO 5 star male characters aside from Knich. It’s over.

No. 474992

>>474729
gachaslop is so bad how could something this generic and empty fascinate you at all

No. 474993

>>474986
If this craiglist stripper was a chef at any restaurant I would bomb that place with 0 star Yelp reviews because her lack of apron would be contaminating every dish with her hair.

No. 474994

>>474990
Durin is going to be the only 5-star male of 2025 and he's already said to be a short boy model. Time to uninstall, if you haven't done it already.

No. 474995

What's fascinating to me is that incels don't even actually need that much goonslop to go crazy over a waifu, look at firefly, for a gacha character her outfit is actually decent and incels went totally crazy over her because of her storyline. Blue archive, again very popular with incels, has a ton of characters with very basic anime outfits. I kept seeing fanart of one the girls that was super popular with incels, and she dressed like a librarian kek. I think goonslop is just a cheap marketing tactic to attract horny moids, but it doesn't create long lasting impact for the character and the male players get bored easily. And then to maintain their interest they need to go skimpier and more sexualized, until it turns into yet another ambiguous hentai game, like ZZZ. Do the ZZZ players even waifu any of those girls, or is it just jack off material for them?

No. 474996

>>474986
>Chef but she's also a secret agent and an investigator of the Abyss who also directly works for Neuvilette and she's besties with Wrio?
i don't go here (i just enjoy reading people trash on mihoyo/gacha games) but why is this wrong? are these mary sue qualities? even if they are, why does it matter if they're canonized? just curious

No. 474997

>>474996
Because adding more jobs and hobbies onto a character does not replace personality. Xinolen is a master blacksmith who made a flying dragon pyro bike for a god. Shes also a professioanl roller blader. Shes also a DJ party girl. Shes also a really lazy housecat who just sleeps all day. Shes also a divine warrior of the gods. She also creates anchuent names for all Natlan characters. She's also a stripper. Shes also-

No. 474998

>>474996
Instead of giving the character a proper personality and story arc and develop their main interest, they just add a random list of nonsensical jobs to make them seem more complex. And earlier characters were more simple, like nilou who is a dancer and they developed her relationship with the arts.

No. 475000

>>474997
Just make her a blacksmith who likes to rollerblade in her free time, what's the point of writing her as lazy when she's actually working all day, even at night as a DJ?

No. 475004

File: 1743000623461.jpeg (8.75 KB, 299x168, Snowbreak.jpeg)

>>474995
You don't get it, it's not about gooning, its about the message. Little to no men really care about the outfit past a simple "Looks hot, I'll get it. Take 20$.", they aren't gooning to it. If they want fuel, they will go to Doujin artists, which they do in droves. The message is that "This game caters to you, men, so we will dehumanize the female characters and drive away female players for your enjoyment." Take Snow break for example. Men aren't even allowed to exist as pngs if they imply, even by a hair, that something in this game was made to serve a woman. I would say less than 20% of their community cared and felt threatened by them, but 100% are in support. This is what Genshin is trying to signal to everyone with the slow death of every male character. They know they don't have enough incels to pull a snow break without any uproar, so with every one of us they drive away, the closer Da Wei gets to his ideal game. I quit the game weeks ago, I can't watch as the irl NTR, fat ugly bastards have stolen my husbandos from me… Castorice-chan, save us…

No. 475010

I don't even play for a long time now, as my husbandos are dead and shelved, but I support Castorice anons, kek. May your prophecy come true.

No. 475012

>The tail of the chef girl holds her spear so she can flaunt her ass while attacking
I want out

No. 475014

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>>474995
>Blue Archive
This isn't a good example to use IMO. Firstly every character is loaded with pervert dog whistles, secondly the concept itself (you manage highschool girls) is in itself intense goonslop, thirdly a girl being cute and feminine and pure is also a selling point for men. The guys into BA don't want sluts they want pure innocent waifus to corrupt and that's what the designs implicitly signal.

No. 475034

Are nu-geshin girls allergic to normal-looking pants? I think Arle was the last to get ones

No. 475035

>>475014
Hate how these cute designs are stuck in an incel pandering game.

If I had the power and money, I'd add a female sensei, remove the fanservice and "uggghhh cunny" pandering and give these girls Chad bishie boyfriends the same age as them who spoil them and genereally treat them nicely kek.

No. 475036

>>475035
You know how Da Wei got a knife threat and a blimp? They would bomb your home.

No. 475042

>>475004
Hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what they're doing. They're not trying to make men aroused with Cantarella's goonslop trailer or Varesa's organ jiggle physics, they're trying to show women their place and send a message out telling them how they will never see them as human beings.

No. 475044

We already have gameplay leaks for the new chef prostitute. The tail holds her weapons, as in it is alive. But we don’t even get ONE catboy, or male furry in literal years. Dahlia has been on the back burner since the end of Sumeru. Coincidentally when the last of old Genshin staff was leaving. Just more proof it is all on purpose.

No. 475045

>>475044
>She's literally showing her ass to the targets
Unreal. I don't have words anymore. This game deteriorated so fucking fast it feels like I've lost a friend to drugs.

No. 475047

And Ifa is a 4 star anemo catalyst! Raise your hand if you were shocked anyone!

No. 475049

File: 1743007094327.jpeg (381.29 KB, 1198x1242, IMG_3814.jpeg)

Which one of you guys made this comment?

No. 475051

>>475047
God his gameplay looks so fucking lame. Heizou and wanderer are more entertaining to use.

No. 475056

>>475044
She's supposed to be a swan? The fuck?

No. 475059

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To no one's surprise, this fandom loves to eat shit. Probably the worst designs of Fontaine being shipped together.

No. 475061

>>475059
Good, they're made for each other

No. 475062

>>475059
Crazy that there’s more thought put into Emilie than prostitute chef

No. 475063

>>475062
Emilie was teased at the beginning of Fontaine and she had a beta design in the works, so I'll give her that. Swanwhore was made on the spot as pure filler for retarded gooners and metaslaves.

No. 475064

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stumbled upon this edit, just giving her pants and sleeves makes here look more like a chef

No. 475066

>>475064
This is too cute, Hoyoverse is incapable of this anymore.

No. 475067

>>475059
I don't think Emilie's design is particularly bad to warrant this comparison tbh. It feels on par with most of Fontaine I dont get it

>>475064
That and changing her main color to red really helps to give her a more defined personality, I really like this redesign

No. 475068

>>475064
HA! I wish! They would die before they give a female character Flared pants. The only reason Arelechinno has them is be cause they teased her legs in the trailer too early, and coudlnt back out to give her lingerie. I saw a concept art of Xianyun with a beautiful white bodysuit, and it looks just as good here. If they release a woman that shows no skin, I'm white.

No. 475069

>>475064
Her back haunts me. Imagine some clueless girlie cosplaying her and being at risk of her tits getting exposed at any time. This really puts into perspective how much her design sucks

No. 475072

>>475069
Imagine cosplaying a new Genshin character, it’s the same as cosplaying Ganyu. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

No. 475073

>>475072
Girl got a whole ass sideboob too.

No. 475074

>>475064
Inb4 the troons cry that this vastly superior design is censorship and misogyny.

No. 475076

>>475064
The red shades and pants make that uncoomified design so much better. Too bad Hoyo doesn't care.

>>475074
>Fucking puritan! You can't handle seeing some skin? I stg cock-obsessed whores are so misogynistic. Where is your double-standards over checks old male units Gorou's tummy, huh?

No. 475077

>>475067
Emilie has some sort of weird boob necklace hanging thing that looks ridiculous, other than that she's not really that bad I like her haircut but she looks like a downgrade next to her concept art. That one lavender emilie art was peak, but genshin could never release a design that good. Props to the artist though.

No. 475078

>>475076
>2000 likes later
>What's up guys, revsaysdesu here, exactly 7 people are trying to CANCEL whatserface from Genshin Impact. Even though nobody irl really cares and nothing will ever change because people who work at hoyo don't speak English, they have ATTACKED your favorite creators! This is somehow a big problem that people don't approve of the sexualization of women. Something something westeners and antis. These are the true sexists! Anyways "My little sister cant be this cute" and "Gushing over magical girls" season two just dropped! Reviews coming soon.

No. 475082

File: 1743012727195.png (3.33 MB, 1200x1497, IMG_4731.png)

I don’t play genshin but I check this thread occasionally, it reminds me how my favorite jrpg went from a comfy, honestly pretty chaste game to coomshit but still succulent fujobait which made the game way more popular than it should be to full on moidslop where the female characters now have dlcs with playboy bunny outfits with visible nipples while the men are burqa’d for dehumanizations sake, strippers, whore outfits, and collabs with a literal softcore porn gacha. On the bright side they’re flopping more than ever. I haven’t played genshin since 2020 but I empathize with the women here hard. So many games dismiss their female fanbase to placate scrotes and seeing something that was once pretty tame go down this path is disheartening.
Also I think the reason why moids seethed lyney as opposed to baizhu or itto who also show skin comes from a place of repressed homosexuality, they hate him because they know they’re secretly to him.

No. 475084

Soon we'll have a female character with an ambiguous womb tattoo, mark my words.

No. 475087

People will hate me for saying this but I'm kinda tired of endless whining in this thread.

No. 475089

>>475087
Nta but the subreddit is much more positive. Why come here? Did you expect lolcow users to join the slay queen brigade?

No. 475092

>>475089
Reddit is a retarded website I refuse to use. And no I don't won't people to mindlessly clap either.

No. 475093

>>475087
Same. Always the same shit. Waah waah the coomer game only makes coomer designs!! It used to be different! They hate fujos now! They only give crumbs to yumes!! And whenever you point it out anons tell you that this is the only place in the whole entire internet where you can say that you don't care about sexualized female characters or whatever.

>>475089
Kek

No. 475104

>>475093
> And whenever you point it out anons tell you that this is the only place in the whole entire internet where you can say that you don't care about sexualized female characters or whatever.
It literally is though. Try and voice your discontent on Reddit or Shitter and you’re guaranteed to get steamrolled by hime and scrote clitsuckers who think an open air pussy is the height of feminism. If you want to join their likes then be my guest.

No. 475108

>>475084
Have you seen swanwhore's weapon? With the heart and devil wings it's almost succubus-like. Dawei just rush into Khaenriah and make your big-tittied succubus demon alreayd so we can all leave.

>>475087
Nonna, even normies don't like the direction Genshit is taking.

No. 475112

>>475108
Yeah but normies are much less cognizant of the inner workings of Hoyo. Talking about writer changes and yumes and whores is only permitted on lolcow before an idiot nukes the conversation with “Muh sexiest puritans”.

No. 475114

>>475076
>>475078
KEKKKK

>>475087
What else is left in the game anymore? This could've been a valid complaint maybe a year ago but at this point the game is dead. Not only because of the coomery waifus, but also the writing has gone irreversibly down the toilet, the old staff is gone, the events and prizes are worth nothing. It's done.

No. 475159

>>475114
>>475093
For nonnas who haven't quit, why do you keep playing if you hate the game so much? Hoyo is not gonna listen to criticisms from female players anyway, so why do you play a game you so clearly despise?

No. 475160

>>475078
>revsaysdesu
His fanbase is going to split like the red sea when he inevitably troons out.

No. 475162

>>475160
I initially thought he was a troon and was confused why he had so manny republicans in his comment section. He had a wife so I assumed it was a Transbian who doesn’t bother to voice train, like Lilly or CD-call .

No. 475167

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>>475159
I'm waiting for Dahlia. That's it.

No. 475170

>>475159
I don't play anymore, I quit. I'm going through the breakup period where you check up on your ex's social media and seethe about them until you move on.

No. 475174

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Man, looking back we really took Sumeru for granted. Only one token down syndrome waifu (Nilou), ‘loli’ characters with actual intelligence and agency making them tolerable (Nahida, Dori), more short & tall men than anyone could ask for and tall sexy women who even female players like the design of (Candace, Dehya). Take me back, please.

No. 475176

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>>475042
It’s all about sending some stupid encoded message with gacha moids. They made up a whole fake female developer to “fire” after she defaced a waifu cake. The evil feminist was defeated and is off the team, and a new cake was delivered! Wow, and was she 300 pounds with blue hair and a septum piercing? Kek. It’s all to soothe incels in the end. “See? Everything is for you. We won’t even tolerate our own staff if they disagree with you.”

No. 475178

>>475082
Anon… as a Sky fan I could never be more seen. You can't even criticize how fucking shitty the haremslop Cold Steel games are without being attacked by the cult

>>475159
I have quit already but if I'm miserable I'l make moids lives miserable too, it is my personal mission to flame normies into talking shit about Genshin now but also I'm just like >>475170

No. 475188

>>475174
Sumeru had the best characters so far, only Nilou can be classified as waifubait and even she at least did something of value in the story. Faruzan turned out to be a pretty funny take on the lolibaba trope compared to Citlali, even the relationship between Dehya and Dunyarzad was good despite Mihoyo fumbling every region's designated tall woman yuribait.

No. 475191

>>474914
Why is my chef dressed in sexy lingerie?

No. 475194

>>475191
Because it's so cute and cunty! If you disagree you're a cuckservative and hate women doing anything!

No. 475200

>>475174
I think nilou was cute, honestly there's nothing offensive about her and I liked her story quest, it was meaningful. All the female characters were likeable, even the loli archon, whose main flaw is being a loli. Sumeru to me represents a mixed gender gacha done right. I think fontaine was also on the right track, but then the cracks appeared.

No. 475201

>>475047
Boring ass gameplay while goblinsca gets a whole ass obnoxious revolver

No. 475206

>>475064
I usually find redesigns ugly but this is cute, especially the flared pants with red cuffs on the bottom
>>475082
The fact that its so common and most of these companies never learn. Pandering to incels is the lowest you can go, it wont suddenly revive your IP.

No. 475209

>>475206
>I usually find redesigns ugly but this is cute, especially the flared pants with red cuffs on the bottom
Agreed, I'm sad this design isn't the official one. The only thing I'd change is getting rid of the details (garters?) on the thighs, I think they kinda clutter it.

No. 475244

The fault does lie with husbando players too. If the strategy is to release all five star waifus and only one five star male a year and rely on women for merch and fan content, then this is the fault of female players. I know it's because of the lack of non otome alternatives. I know it's because women are used to eating shit, which is why people latch onto shounen and other moid targeted media because they'll always be more popular. But what is the point of getting merch if the story is shit and your fave character never appears again? Why are people still spending money on merch for Scara, Childe, Diluc, etc instead of walking away? Why can't they stand up instead of letting Hyv get away with this forced scarcity?

No. 475248

>>474974
This is because Chinese female fans live among those moods and know what they're like and so they know exactly who these waifus are for. Western fans can still make shit up about Hoyo being this queer lesbian friendly company. Although you do have diasporoids who mainly post in English being the ones pushing Hoyo as this sapphic friendly company who has so many lesbian writers. But people who actually know the industry know different. Same reason why a lot of Japanese feminists hate lolis but you have a bunch of Westoids thinking everyone there likes it. It's weird though, since it's not like moids in the West are this hidden subculture. Everyone knows what moids are into Wuwa and the Genshin waifus, yet a lot of these "sapphics" don't understand that Hoyo is trying to appeal to these incels they also hate because the incels also harass them on yuri posts. But they won't blame the company that courts these incels in the first place.

No. 475261

>>475244
Moreso than that, I think a bigger problem is people rolling on waifu banners while simultaneously complaining about the lack of males

No. 475282

>>475159
I think it's good to not cede ground to incels and to talk about something that's become a worrying trend. I'm not spending a dime and I encourage others not to, but unfortunately Genshin will still be relevant until something else takes its place. People have also sunk years into this game so I understand needing to vent about it somewhere where you won't be attacked by incels or pickme yuritroons.

No. 475294

>>474914
The very second hot grease touches skin it's over.

No. 475320

You ever noticed how men in the genshin fandom are quiet and barely say anything? It's not like the FGO fandom where they're actively part of the fanbase. Genshin fandom has mostly had women as its loudest spokespersons

No. 475323

File: 1743057658744.jpg (93.28 KB, 800x800, 1000032646.jpg)

>The onsen whore that released not even a year ago got a figure with a fully colored prototype
>The Kaeya and Xiao nendoroid are still MIA
They'd rather go bankrupt than appease female players

No. 475337

>>475320
It's also because you're dogpiled the moment you dare to voice even the slightest criticism. If you're not praising every single thing Hoyo does, you're hater. Genshin fans are super fragile.

No. 475339

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>>475337
I don't think even Jingliu (HSR Skirk) was trashed this badly. Knowing HYV this is going to be Shitzuki/LR Hu Tao level of pandering, but still a big fuck you to Childefags.

No. 475345


No. 475346

>>475339
Fuck, this is vomit inducing. This game can no longer be saved. Even if they released the most "husbandy of husbandos" female players shouldn't forgive Hoyo for their incel pandering.

No. 475347

>>475339
Holy fuck it just keeps getting worse, oh my god. Reading this causes me physical pain, every word made me cringe more than the last. Childe's mentor foreshadowed since 1.x, the one who taught him how to survive in the Abyss, is a small barely clad honkai girl who falls in love with the traveler because he fixed her. They had a money making machine that could crank out literally billions of income yet their stupid, stupid male pride got in the way and decided to give it all up simply because they don't want to appeal to female players. It's unbelievable. Male pride is next level mental illness. There's no coming back from this.

No. 475358

File: 1743068952512.jpg (2.73 MB, 1001x6740, skirk leaks.jpg)

>>475339
The leaks are probably true as stepleaker is known to be reliable. I saw many people coping hard that it's AI generated but he might just have used AI for translations.
>I don't think even Jingliu (HSR Skirk) was trashed this badly
This. Shart Rail is trash, but I will give them credit for giving Jingliu her own story without making her interact with the trailblazer. Skirk’s design is just too coomery for me to care about her, but completely erasing Childe’s importance from her story and turning her into yet another waifu for the Traveler’s harem is just retarded. Also, I am not a yumeshitter, but I find it disgusting that both Skirk and Childe are meant to be (you)bait characters. Traveler is truly the town bike of Teyvat.

No. 475361

>>475339
Am I the only one who doesn't give a fuck about this? Let incels get their (You)bait waifus, the only problem is that we aren't getting more husbandos in return and that mihoyo does shady shit to provoke fighting between fans.

No. 475362

>>475358
>Skirk's master turns out to be evil and Skirk is secretly pure-hearted underneath
Like clockwork.

No. 475363

>>475358
Once someone in these threads once said that Khaenri'ah has literally become a plot device in the nu-writing shoehorned everywhere as a "Um… it's not a retcon! It's just Khaenri'ah stuff!" style bailout I can't unsee it.

No. 475372

>>475363
That is why we’re never actually getting Khaenri'ah because they would have to explain exclusively lore. They would actually have to finish a plot thread as they just pushed it back to Khaenri'ah for the explanations. That is why we’re going to Nod-Kari and expanding Mondstadt before we taste Snezhnaya, because they know they’ll actually have to explain themselves in the Abyss and Khaenri'ah. And if people finally get answers the majority of story focused players will finally just dump the game because they are looking for any excuse to dump their sunk cost somewhere. They are aware of their own limited time.

No. 475381

>>475362
Dottore/Pierro death bell knells once again. Ifa looks like Dottore and is a doctor. I can close my eyes and pretend they released him.

No. 475383

>>475320
I find it funny how even the normiest normies are refusing to play genshin because the story went to shit. Somehow theyre sticking to zzz, but when you ask them, they tell you that the story isn't fun anymore.

No. 475387

E’whore also heals and does more types of buffs than Shene. This is after they hid Shenhe for two years and put her on a chronicled wish banner, mere months before E’whore.

No. 475393

>>475347
Unfortunately people keep letting them come back. Too many female players are pick mes. Also the biggest problem is the people who love Genshin's story and the open world have no other options. Where are they going, to Wuwa, that's even worse? To new open world games like Endfield that will pull the same shit? Yeah, the yumes who wanted Genshin to be an otome left for LaDs but that's not every female player. Female players will still keep forgiving them because they think Mhy is a progressive company who gave them yuri and yaoi, even though their ships are super boring.
>>475358
This is so fucking bad and I know if anyone hates this they're going to be called a misogynist. I don't even understand why the yuritroons defend this shit. Absolutely no yuri has come out of Natlan or with any of these characters, they keep showing them only with Aether and not Lumine in official marketing. At least Jingliu doesn't give a shit about the mc and doesn't need to be healed by the mc and had her own angst about the Mary Sue fox that I can see her being crowned yuri queen. But Skirk?

No. 475398

>>475361
It sucks because a lot of us do like female characters too and we hate having all them just be pure little girls inside to appease an incel's fantasy. Look at actual gacha games that have female characters who panders to women, you'll see female characters who are villainous or harsh or who have more personality than this. Skirk was also a hyped character and now they have to shit on an established character like Childe because they made the mistake of tying him to an unrelated female character years ago. I never even thought they'd be a couple, but moids are so insane they would think they're being cucked if Skirk had any amiable relationship with Childe or some respect for him. His character is going to be sandbagged again in order to not upset incels, and then Childe lorefags are going to cope rather than admit he gets treated badly in the game. I wonder if incel reaction to him not being as extreme as Scara made Childefags complacent, but they're the biggest group who should stand up but don't. They just keep coping about Snezhnaya and won't complain because fandom has beaten them down so much for liking him, and for what? For his epic lore to be about trooning him as the final "fuck you" to female players? No wonder Mhy knows they can get away with this shit.

No. 475399

>>475387
I know gacha is always predatory but this is next level. Outright shelving old units to doom them to obscurity is the kind of bullshit star rail is notorious for, only in genshin they put most of the stuff behind constellations so you have to roll the new units three or two times to make unlock their actual potential. Mihoyo got way too greedy way too fast, launching multiple games out of which Star Rail is their most expensive one and it's simply not making ends meet and instead is eating away their other projects. People were already mad at the shitty anniversary and lantern rite rewards last year, this is only making things worse.

>>475393
A lot of husbando collectors bragged about how Kurogames is the GOAT for giving them Brant but were shut up immediately after Cantarella released and are now waking up to the reality of the situation. I've even seen multiple big male gacha gamers gave up on both Mihoyo and Kuro after global passives were introduced because metafags aren't going to stick around to support pay to win dogshit, I think the Castorice prophet was right. >>471984

No. 475400

>>475398
I'm a fujo through and through and even I yearn for female characters that have agency besides being waifuslop, the way Skirk was handled genuinely has me fuming because I wanted her to be a relevant part of Childe's lore as his mentor. What did I get - a pretty teenage girl straight out of HI3 and her whole thing about being a stern warrior is simply her own "evil knight" mentor beating her into submission so the traveler saves her inner child and makes her into a pure fair maiden who can "express her emotions once again". Disgusting. My rage for Mihoyo grows larger by every update and leak, every time I thought they couldn't sink lower they find a way. On the other hand I hope Childe gets turned into a girl just so that Chinese yumes will go berserk and do our bidding.

No. 475406

>>475399
I wish it would but people won't leave. Gacha is made to be addictive and it fits perfectly with the addictive nature of social media. People can't handle not having any content anymore, people won't leave Genshin or these games unless there's a new gacha to go to. I know the hope is for it to get so bad that people leave, but it only results in people making excuses because the sunk cost is that bad. Wuwa is already becoming a trash community with ragebaiting ccs and fucking Tectone in it. And yet you'll still see people, even some who rightfully criticize Hyv, defend Kurogames and saying the game isn't goonerbait.
>>475400
People will then call you crazy for expecting her to be a warrior and not look like a teenage waify girl. That's a basic criticism of misogyny in games but Genshin fans are so far gone into defending Hyv that they don't want to admit it's a sexist trope.
>On the other hand I hope Childe gets turned into a girl just so that Chinese yumes will go berserk and do our bidding.
Hell no, this troon shit shouldn't be validated in any way. I hope it can't happen, it has to be some false advertising to market a character as male for so many years and bring out fanservice art when female players are mad only to do this. You wouldn't have female players doing anything to Hyv. They're already upset and nothing is changing. It's going to result in Westoids calling fans bigots and they have a lot more sway in the community. The biggest hurdle right now is that there's too many people who think that Hyv is a progressive feminist company.

No. 475407

>>475406
>It's going to result in Westoids calling fans bigots and they have a lot more sway in the community. The biggest hurdle right now is that there's too many people who think that Hyv is a progressive feminist company.
I feel like this would be true with a character that was already somewhat androgynous, but Childe is way, way too popular with both yumes and male self inserters to have them swallow it without severe backlash. Only the most terminally online yuritards would celebrate it and they're a niche audience completely overpowered by the more normie oriented people in Genshin who are the ones who made Mihoyo a billion dollar company.

No. 475445

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Mark my words nonnas I’m making a binding vow. If none of this happens, ban me from the thread. I would put a parlay on this! A foot fetish waifu is coming any day now. Dahlia will probably glaze some future waifu, like Alice. Kaeya will be replaced by a waifu from Kharnri’ah who is the true lost princess, and Kaeya’s family are the fake usurpers.

No. 475449

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Did you see Paimon’s VA crash out on twitter? She was leading the charge of going after kinich’s new VA for accepting the role despite OG striking against AI. People called her out for still voicing paimon despite her views.

No. 475453

>>475449
God I wish she was on strike, her voice hurts my ears.

No. 475454

>>475445
You tried to sneak durin yaoibait in there as if that's a horrible thing lol yes I want to ship him with venti, what you gonna do?(infight bait)

No. 475458

>>475454
You fool. Do you seriously think that Hoyo would ACTUALLY bring out Venti? He’s in the basement with the rest of the beloved characters. Durin will be shipped with a nobody like Mika so that the fujos leave them alone for 6 months, since they’ll ship any slop randomness they’re given.

No. 475463

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>>475449
Kek holy shit

No. 475473

Seems like HSR powercreep is on the menu, the new Fontaine bitch's weapon raises team ATK%
Global passives soon

No. 475474

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>>475393
The pick mes in the fandom are literally crazy for justifying lingerie under the apron outfit. I'm glad I've stopped playing because I'm not gonna be associated with these dumbasses.

No. 475480

>>475474
I don't understand, why did they change ayaka's original panties in blomers if they were going to add such weird lingerie eventually????

No. 475481

>>475383
I don't know who do you refer to as "normies", because I frequently see women (yes, only women, surprisingly) playing genshit on public transport.

No. 475485

>>475449
>>475463
She's one of the biggest voice actor cows ever, of course she would have a hypocritical meltdown like this. Bitch spits upon her colleagues who aren't striking but hasn't gone on strike once herself because "muh medical expenses", as if other people don't have bills to pay? I genuinely don't understand how she wasn't recast years ago, she keeps having these unhinged spergouts on Twitter every month.

No. 475487

>>475480
Because back then Chinese female players still gave a shit and called Mihoyo out for it, now they've stopped playing and Hoyo has gotten rid of most of female staff so there's no shitty design choices coomery enough for them to pass up.

No. 475492

>>475487
>from chiori the manhater to full lingerie on display
it's over

No. 475513

>>475474
Women on shitter are genuinely weird. I remember them acting like Ei’s detailed lacy panties and Ningguang’s secretary mentioning that Ning wears lace lingerie were hoyo’s way of catering to lesbians. Some things really never change.

No. 475517

>>475513
My friend irl called Cantarella hot, and I basically had to indoctrinate her to the thread to convince her otherwise. 70% of lesbians have been brainwashed by years of pornsick moids on twitter.

No. 475528

>>475517
Are we even sure they are lesbians and not tryhard pickmes with a pron addiction. This type usually shakes hands with trannies and go on and claim goonerbait n°4654621 is a lesbian icon for being objectified, and the "cuntyyyyy" outfit has to be a lesbian own against da menz (even though they allow trannies in so lol).

No. 475545

>>475492
Chiori also had visible lingerie

No. 475550

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The advent of our queen, Castorice, is tomorrow at 5:00pm! Who else will be watching? Anaxa also exists I guess, but we all know he will be thrown pathetically to her feet. Non believers will be shunned. When they hard shill skirk and she has global passives too, don't come crying.

No. 475554

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>>475474
How is this shit even getting greenlit in a game meant for ages 12 and up? Even R18 BL games do not have male characters that dress this slutty.

No. 475563

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>>475554
How long until Genshin reaches this level of ridiculous? Honestly? If they released this skin for Gorou, all would be forgiven. But Xinolen already has butthole cutouts in her shorts.
Remember that a real human being (likely a male so not really) drew her, refined her, modeled and painted each little bit of skin she shows btw. It’s all on purpose. 1cm before her nipples are exposed.

No. 475567

>>475563
>tfw you don't even need to spoiler picrel because it's not that different from the female designs itt
Grim

No. 475571

>>475554
>>475563
Moids keep seething over LADS boys and NuCani yet treat this shit in a 12+ game like a cultural norm and try to justify a chef walking around in lingerie and waving her ass because it "evens out" Gorou's bare stomach from 2021.

No. 475572

>>475571
Zhongli would need to sell his ass on the street for cash for anyone to even consider this close.

No. 475577

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>>475550
Chinese gacha games seem to be in a downward slump. I saw the first-day JP sales for the current banners, and they are all under performing.
HSR (Mydei) > ZZZ (Anby) > Wuwa (Cantarella) > Genshin (Varesa)
I really hope global passives finally kill Chinese gachashit for good.

>>475563
Males lost their shit out over a design as tame as Lyney’s, something like your picrel would probably get Dawei stabbed and murdered kek.

No. 475580

>>475577
And the funniest part is that nobody had to come and compete to kill chinese gacha, they killed themselves out of their inability to separate their debilitating coomerism and contempt for female players from their business practices. Pottery.

No. 475583

>>475580
Similarly to WOW, there never needed to be a genshin killer. Men will kill themselves. The rates say so!

No. 475584

>>475577
I'll wait till next week for Varesa's because I doubt Hoyo can be as bad as Shitzuki (shit standard characer) and this banner in particular has snacks for metafags and plungefags. Also Slutarella is doing better than expected despite looking like a literal prostitute in lingerie.

>>475554
This character is just 60% lingerie, 30% apron fetish and the last 10% are typical Fontaine elements.

No. 475588

>>475577
Wait is WuWa selling more than Genshin? Isnt this a bit unprecedented?

No. 475597

>>475577
What website is this from? Do you have comparisons from previous banners also?

No. 475610

>>475597
https://game-i.daa.jp/
This only tracks the mobile revenue, and since all gacha companies are private, the numbers are just estimates. That said, many salesfags use this site as a reference so I assume it has some level of accuracy kek. You can compare previous banners by opening a game's page on the site. It usually shows past rankings and revenue estimates for different periods.

No. 475618

>>475577
Varesa flopped and no one is surprised

No. 475630

>>475407
It's also insane. What character has been playable and presented as one gender and then suddenly changed overnight? I only see people force this on male characters like Arashi from Enstars, because women are never allowed to enjoy their cute boy game without people trying to insert troon shit into it.

No. 475636

>>475580
This happens with everything in the end. All the big budget stuff tries to get both audiences but they will always discard female players and women will get beaten down by men and other pickmes into accepting it. Korean gachas are worse with incels and Japanese gachas suck at managing themselves, a lot EOS and their joseimuke also get boring because they're made less on the gameplay and more to get people to buy acrylics and go to lives. Genshin was so good for what it was and they sabotaged themselves all for incels who already hate them anyway. It's pure male arrogance. Now we have an entire generation of people with sunk cost and who can't quit Genshin because the frog has been slowly boiled and they're fine clinging to scraps. Nothing will change because the fanbase is full of pickmes and martyrs for Hyv.

No. 475648

>>475636
They’re also whores for attention and clout. They won’t play a lowly game thats 2D, not open world, non hoyo. It must be the most popular game ever. That’s why they flex their own predatory tactics, because they want to feel assured that they have the most successful game. It makes all the sunk cost seem like it’s floating. It’s why they have a mental breakdown hissyfit every-time Genshin drops below the top 3. Once Genshin starts flopping, probably after Skirk releases, the first gacha to hit 50m revenue will have them running. They are secretly looking for any chance to jump ship and join the “winning team”.

No. 475656

>>475648
They should just play LADS

No. 475657

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>>475445
>Kaeya will be replaced by a waifu from Kharnri’ah who is the true lost princess, and Kaeya’s family are the fake usurpers.
B-b-buh the new artifact set finally has something about elves and their king and
Who I am kidding, they will unearth his mother from somewhere and say she is an ubermensch angel from ages ago. That will be the predicted Khaenri'ah succubus in a thong.
I hope Dawei will finally meet that one determined incel who won't be able to cope with some waifus bra being a centimeter too wide.

No. 475661

>>475358
I actually hate Childe with the traveler. I despise the traveler, period. Nothing destroys a character more than forcing them to be for a self-insert. Self-inserters are the whinest most entitled players. Between Wuwa and this I'm tired of them and I think it brings down the story of a game.

No. 475668

>>475648
This is true and why it's harder for people to leave, again it's the lack of options. There are non gooner CN gachas but they either don't get localized or they're not open world and so people won't play. Ash Echoes actually apologized and keeps the gender ratio pretty even, but you won't see anyone in the West playing it. People like to be where the attention is and where their friends are, and right now that's Genshin and other Hoyo games.
>>475656
Not everyone is a yume and LADS has its own type of drama because of that.

No. 475691

>>475657
If we go diagonally left starting from slutya, you can get a bingo in a single character!

No. 475695

>>475630
I've seen it happen a few times in fighting games, so it wouldn't be impossible. Gacha is a little different, but I could still see it happening. I'm not sure how they'd be able to do it, I can't see them releasing a new playable version of Childe. I know they do that sort of thing in Honkai, but Genshin? There's no way they'd just change his model, either.

No. 475714

>>475695
What fighting games? I know Bridget, but they already asked for it with the crossdressing. Childe has never acted like anything but a guy, same goes for all the male characters including their "genderfluid" Venti and Zhongli. I think this would be such a horrible trend and I'm annoyed just thinking about how many people are already treating it as canon. Just make Childe irrelevant instead of doing this.

No. 475715

Where is this "Childe is going to be a girl" coming from? Why are you people actually humoring this troon shit?

No. 475716

>>475715
Theres no way they trans Childe, they would just shift him up to ten and make his sister the new 11th harbinger at worst. I have no clue how this thread is convinced it will happen. But honestly, they did it in Snowbreak so if hoyo is as shameless as they appear, expect the Childea banner soon.

No. 475717

>>475715
There's a lore entry about a prince long ago that got possessed by a female Descender and someone started schizo tinfoiling that they're going to show Childe was possessed by that Descender all along.

No. 475718

>>475715
Some anons have legit gone schizo

No. 475720

>>475715
Recent artifact lore states that the very first outsider to descend on Teyvat was a traveling spirit of a woman. On her next arrival, she possessed some unnamed guy and supposedly stayed like that until her death. Childefags are schizophrenic and see correlation to his lore. Enter troon conspiracy.

No. 475721

>>475716
Snowbreak is different since it was never as big as Genshin. I get why people are paranoid because Hoyoverse is scum but they don't do alts or different forms of characters. The Firefly example is braindead because that would be like if we got SAM as playable for three years only for them to make Firefly at the end. I don't know if they can even do this based on consumer practices.
>>475717
How credible is the theory?

No. 475722

>>475714
Testament in GGST as well. Skullomania, Terry and Iori were genderbent for a Heroines game (a fetish thing), Seth in Street Fighter was given a female body, and Leo in Tekken has changed in marketing before. They almost made M. Bison into a woman in the new game, but didn't. They've marketed characters as male or female then did a switch, such as King, Bridget and Kojiroh in the Last Blade. I don't think it would be impossible for them to change Childe's gender, but I just haven't seen this sort of thing done outside of fighting games. The fact there's gambling involved might change things, too.

No. 475724

>>475722
Fighting games are very different. You're not literally paying for characters. Different versions in an alternate universe or a new game is whatever because it's not all one fixed canon, unlike Genshin. It's different rules, and only one version of a character and gambling being involved would make this shitty, yeah.

>>475720
The loreists are the ones trying to push it and already taking it as canon. Of course they can't do open troon shit but knowing Hoyo they'll add something stupid for troons to "claim him" as not really a man like they do Scara or Zhongli.

No. 475727

>>475721
Not credible imo. At least not to Childe. Maybe with a new character, and even then that isn't troonshit anyways, that's fantasy long-distance demonic possession.

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>>475691
>Mommy-succubus-nephilim-witch Slutya Alberich appears
>Some important lore reasons for Dottore reviving her from cryosleep or some shit
>Exterminates yuritroons by proclaiming eternal love for Aether
>Has a global passive that drops celestial nail and instakills everything
>Castorice prophet was right
>The gacha market experiences 4th impact
>They still rollout her 4* support Hookerasia who shows feet, but it's too laete

No. 475731

>>475730
And that’s how Genshin dies. With the thunderous clap of slutya’s asscheeks.

No. 475733

>>475730
I shed a tear reading this. So moving.

No. 475743

>>475730
After reading up on that horrible Skirk story leak I genuinely would believe Hoyo would pull this. I'm not kidding.

No. 475748

>>475730
And she’ll have a kung fu aesthetic with the same joking nature as Varessa, so she constantly has her whole pussy showing, leg up, with her bare foot always front and center. And maybe a npc says it stinks or something gross like that. And instead of a black belt she wears black lacy lingerie.

No. 475804

You know what's so stupid and actually tragic about this? Before this, people were actually starting to think that Genshin was good for a gacha and it still does have nice elements in terms of exploration and gameplay. But now because they had to give in to incels, gacha is back to mainly being seen as something for horny incels. Genshin was attractive because it not only got normies, it got those of us who were sick of gooner stuff from other gachas and it promised to be different. They hate women this much they'll tank their actual decent image in the eyes of normies only to pander to an incel audience that already hates them. Female fans would defend them against the incels, but if Hoyo decides to throw them to the wolves? What then? It's sad because there's people who would kill to have their characters as loved as some Genshin characters are, and I'm sure the old staff wanted to tell a good story and I feel bad for them. All of their work ruined due to the greed and pride of men.

No. 475829

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I got an e-mail requesting feedback on Mavuika. I obviously didn't pull for her. There was nowhere to put manual feedback, just picklists of options and they asked whether you pulled for other archons (I have). I emphasized Mavuika's design was awful and her character sucked. She must have flopped a lot harder than we even speculate. I've never gotten an e-mail like this before.
Furina for the thread because she's a thousand times more interesting and compelling than the fire Mary Sue.

No. 475833

>>475829
Nonna, it was a DOUBLE release banner with and OP Support and it still made less than Arlecchino… People can cope about it all they want but the fact that it was the only double release in the game's history and with an Archon of ALL characters shows how they were rightfully insecure about it. Like, of course anyone can talk about how innacurate the graphs that are measurinf it are but its not like they changed their own calculation methods so the drop IS something to take info account.

No. 475853

>>475833
I'm not saying I doubted she flopped, I wanted to let anons know that it's true they're in panic mode about the flop.

No. 475898

>>475829
Da Wei on suicide watch now that his Honkai waifu Himeko was the first archon to flop. She was set up for a failure in every way possible, a pyro DPS with a stupid motorbike making her model janky and hard to control and a boring mary sue personality with barely any interesting conflict or story relevance.

>>475833
This. They absolutely put Citlali in as a booster for Mavuika and even then it failed. Let them reap what they sowed.

No. 475934

>>475804
I was willing to play genshin past the release of ZZZ. I hate zenless and refuse to play. I dislike honkai too. If I’m being forced to watch as ZZZ rejects like Mauvika, Varessa, and Knich rule the game, I’m not fucking playing. Men cannot hide their contempt for women. If you have the nerve to reject their coom, then they will inject it into what you enjoy out of spite. It doesn’t matter the cost, the enjoyment of making a woman uncomfortable is why many men wake up in the morning. I will not contribute to the jerk off fantasy for incels so I play LADS.

No. 475954

Castorice kept her global passive. Hoyo gacha collapse can't come soon enough.

No. 475955

>>475954
Not only that but they're also going to give her the Firefly treatment and shafting Anaxa kek. The powercreep is getting worse for Hoyotitles. Mualani has now been dethroned for a couple of patches.

No. 475957

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And oh, how God always shines a light for his heralds. It was wonderful, I shed a tear during the livestream, my votive candles lit and doused with snapdragon oils. She shall bring about the death of the gacha community as we know it, and I've never been more satisfied. Acolytes, may her banner sales soar like dragons in the blue sky, may the tower report Da Wei's doom, may queen Castorice save us all with her heroic light. We have bore witness to the beginning of the end, and heard the 7th trumpet sound. Amen.

No. 475958

Mavuika is one of those characters who actually had potential to be popular with female fans, considering how many of them already ship her with capitano, but they gave her a retarded design and a boring personality. Incels were never going to be impressed with mavuika, she's not their style, regardless of how coomery and cool they try to make her.

No. 475960

>>475955
I don't even care about Anaxa but they have shafted him so bad.
>Castorice gets a billion pvs, he only gets 1
>His banner is with Ratio, whom everyone already owns, while the giga shilled anniversary waifu gets Jiaoqiu, Fugue, and Acheron
Genuinely makes me wonder if this blatant favoritism is only exclusive to Hoyo or if all gachashit do this thing.

No. 475961

>>475960
If it's exclusive to hoyo or not is irrelevant. Hoyo will randomly picka female character to shill, so they will make a hundred animations, promotions, whatever, and they sell her to cash in on gullible waifu prone players. She is the new Firefly, so they will shill her and make her powerful, and everyone else, males especially, must be shafted. Mauvika needed to be shilled, so Capitano must die.

No. 475968

>>475958
They fucked up by using Capitano to try to shill her, not realizing how much even the incels in the fandom thought he was such a badass Chad.

No. 475969

>>475968
No, I think their biggest fuckup was the bike and her being dressed like a slut. Even the conquistador design got both sides of the playerbase to like it as it was still tasteful and similar to Fontaine's characters. Nobody expected Natlan to be a Looney Toones region and absolutely no one expected the Pyro Archon to have a immersion breaking garbage bike while being dressed like a slut. People's impression of Genshin has always been that of the "BOTW f2p clone", as long as it stays that way it all criticism can be easily shushed. Change that though and you alienate most of your playerbase.

No. 475972

>>475969
Raiden Shogun is dressed like a slut though, that isn't the biggest turn off. If she didn't look like a modern slut in leather and was just a skimpy tribal woman, moids would've been happy. They hated the conquistador outfit as well.

No. 475973

>>475969
Everything about her screams tryhard. She's sluttified to the max as to alienate her potential female fanbase, but at the same time a lot of her character elements just don't suit incel tastes because she's written like a shounen male protagonist. She's like a husbando in the body of a biker prostitute dressed in latex. They tried to make her as cool as possible, but in the end appealed to no one.

No. 475977

>>475973
She's like if Navia was bad. A girlboss leader who has "cool" sunglasses. But she has neither a Yuri nor straight ship to back her up, fans, a good design. All she has is mary sue bucks and a evil kit.

No. 476008

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>>475969
>>475958
Recently I saw this redesign and even though she's still dressed like a slut, at least if they made her look like this, she would seem interesting and fitting in the world and her role as the god of war. I just think with the biker latex outfit they really fucked up. It's appealing to almost no one, even incels with shitty taste dislike it.

No. 476055

>>476008
it's intertesting how far hoyo strayed from the nations they're "inspired" by. I wonder if the Black Panther movies inspired them in any way?

No. 476074

>>476055
Wakanda would have been better than whatever we have now. I can't even name the aesthetic they're going for. Mesoamerican? Why is there so much neon paint then? Why does everything become modern the second it has to do with a playable character, but everyone else is a booga booga caveman? The traveler must save Natlan on a blimp, but Mauvika rides a flying motorcycle and Chasca gets a flying gun. It doesn't even resememble Africa. I lived there and I wasn't expecting much, but Jesus Christ, they didn't even try. It's like they fed an AI the prompt "vaguely Mexican" and went off that. I would sacrifice 5 waifus and 10 lolis for 1 black male with dreadlocks and muscles a la Minimalist from Sakamoto Days. But incels would die if Ifa was a 5 star, much less if he resembled an actual black person. Men so greedy and driven by lust and spite wouldn't know appeal even if it shook it's ample breasts in their faces.

No. 476101

>>476008
This is honestly along the lines of what I was expecting before we saw the Conquistador design. Slutty and moidy but at least fitting in the world. Leather biker was an idiotic decision, they know Genshin is a semi-medieval fantasy world and Fontaine's steampunk should have been the height of technology. None of Natlan's protag technology or aesthetics makes any sense in the world of Teyvat.

No. 476132

>>475934
It's a suicidal tactic that only results from a company being too big too fall. Switching this far into Genshin means no one rational will trust the company ever again. The extreme incels who couldn't handle some male banners in Sumeru aren't going to come back. The loyal fanbase they built up won't move to their new games if they keep pulling this. I see some rubes praising HSR or ZZZ for the yaoi, but those characters will be dropped too. If HSR also plans on dropping male characters, why stay and spend money now? This tactic can't possibly work for that long.
>>475955
>>475960
>Genuinely makes me wonder if this blatant favoritism is only exclusive to Hoyo or if all gachashit do this thing.
I believe it's intentional from Hyv. They like the gender war. They like having people fight. I wish this would collapse the industry or make these devs stop making these choices, but I don't think anything will unless a new game changes it up the way Genshin did.
Anyway get ready for Castorice to have a bunch of defenders calling you a misogynist for hating such a sweet girl just like they did Firefly. Especially if they pull an Elysia and give her yuribait.

No. 476156

I'm worried they might reverte Castorice to "show" that they "care" about their "fans". But on the other hand this is Hoyo we're talking about

No. 476157

What if the lore is just leading to Teyvat being a simulation and all the males are actually waifus?

No. 476160

>>476157
At this point I wouldn't be surprised. Aren't most of the genshin characters inspired by characters from honkshit? Hell, there are some characters from other hoyoshit games that resemble the male characters of genshit, so it really wouldn't be so crazy to suddenly get genderbent skins of the male characters for coomer bucks.

No. 476172

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>>475584
The concept of a ‘plungefag’ is absolutely sending me, nona, thank you

No. 476187

>>474738
>>474729
i'm surprised wuwa did this after the crop of men they initially released + punishing gray raven (apparently, according to moids on /vg/) being a fujofest. sad stuff

No. 476192

>>475958
Even the lesbians don't want her. There's badass looking women like Zoya and Angell in Path to Nowhere, they have a lot of CN lesbians thirsting after them. The only recent Genshin character to be a hit with them like that was Arlecchino. But that would require them knowing and caring what women actually like. Her personality has no edge, her design can't be slightly more masculine because the gooners need to goon, but also she's a tall female model with a personality that doesn't appeal to moids. The incels don't tend to like the tall females much outside of Raiden, they prefer the short girls because their height makes them look more vulnerable and younger. Of course these moids don't want a female character who isn't a demure or tragic waif who needs to be saved by the traveler.

>>475969
Genshin slowly built credibility by having good music, exploration, and cutscenes and designs that fit what you usually expect from rpgs. Now they're testing the limits of their fanserivce and living up to what naysayers thought they were. I fully believe the rumors that it's not only spite for female players, but for the efforts of the old staff too.

No. 476193

>>476187
I don't know what they're saying there, but their games have never been a fujofest. PGR also barely releases men, and most of the initial crop of men in Wuwa were four stars and barely featured. A massive waste having Sephiroth's actor even play a guy inspired by him only to make that character not appear. Incels are such losers.

No. 476198

>>475960
>His banner is with Ratio, whom everyone already owns, while the giga shilled anniversary waifu gets Jiaoqiu, Fugue, and Acheron
This is a tactic to make investors believe the forced narrative that males dont sell

No. 476203

>>476192
They like the tall waifus only when they fit into very specific anime tropes like dominant mommy, ara ara gentle mommy, turboslut whore or something like "looks hot and mature but she has this specific quirk that makes her more relatable" (think shenhe, eula). Mavuika on the other hand uses too many shounen archetypes and has masculine energy.

No. 476233

>>476187
/vg/thinks anything that isnt nikke levels of coomer and has male characters is a fujofest

No. 476256

>>476074
I wouldn't be surprised if AI made them, considering how supportive the CEOs are of it.

No. 476320

>>475577
I think this is also the fault of Mihoyo releasing gazillion gachas instead of focusing improving what they already had. They cannibalised their own market. And I don't understand why.

No. 476346

>>476320
Companies only ever think on a year to year basis. Theres never a “Then what?”, it’s always “This quarter”. Think about oil companies, whats gonna happen when they run out? Nobody cares about longevity compared to short term gas. That is why when Castorice rules the banner sales, they will make more characters like her and kill themselves unwittingly.

No. 476371

>>475957
I don't know why people think this will kill the industry. I wish it did, I wish I had your optimism. But I also remember how much shit people will put up with gachas like FGO and shit. There's no level of predatory tactic that will get people to leave.

>>476203
Mavuika would sold more if she appealed to women. Lesbians would actually love a woman with masculine energy and shounen archetypes but even the Hyv gooner defenders don't like her because deep down they know the design is bad.

>>476320
Greed. A company will always want to expand, but then pick a core audience and stick with it. If you want a gooner game, make it gooner from the start, and keep your normie audience in Genshin and HSR. They cater to incels but also the extreme incels don't even like Hyv games because they still have male characters in them. They'll fuck over a game to get people to play their new one, instead of building trust with customers over time. Telling fans who want male characters to go over to HSR doesn't work when the male characters over there are still fucked over and when we have a guarantee they will pull the same shit again. Genshin is only hanging on due to lorefags desperate for answers for older characters. HSR and ZZZ doesn't even have that.

No. 476383

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>>476371
It will kill the industry by driving away normies. Normies don’t want to play an unfun money hungry tasteless goonfest, which is why they play marvel rivals and Elden ring. Anime is tolerated to an extent, and going full FGO with normies won’t work. Gacha gaming isn’t a small market anymore and billions have been invested into Hoyoverse. They’re gonna milk the upcoming nightsoul and global passives and become multi billion. But when western players and casuals slowly pull out due to feeling like the game is both embarrassing and p2w, what happens to the investors that must be pleased? I’m really just banking on their arrogance making them overextend without the fans left to back them up.

Never forget, Genshin is only popular because normies during the quarantine had nothing better to do and decided to start gaming, and grinding a free gacha game was easy. Without normies there is no 100 million dollars. Dedicated yumes and Incels are in the vast minority. Outnumbered 1 to 10. Ignorant to the wants of normies, they will only become more sexual and shameless, and incels rush to swell the ranks temporarily and disguise the loss. For example, Normie men want Capitano because he’s cool, strong and masculine, like Guts. Appealing to incels, they made Mauvika a whore, made 100m from incels, so they won’t learn their lesson as there was no loss. Even if replacing Citlali with Capitano would have made them 300m. They will repeat cycle until failure, upping the anti as desperation grows. If future gacha games are built off exclusively leaching Hoyo’s playerbase, the floaters like WuWa and Enfield are dead in the water once it dwindles even more.

I may sound like I’m coping but to me, this is a mass extinction event clear as day. And if you know anything about old Asian moids, they are super hierarchal and stuck in their ways, pigheaded. Especially sexless incels. They won’t change and will refuse to pivot or apologize. Especially not for women or foreigners. Even if some economist at Hoyo noticed this 2 months ago, do you think they would listen?

Or I am completely wrong and they make a hundred million dollars every month without fail for every new waifu they drop like FGO reborn. That would honestly be equally as hilarious as total collapse. But the symbolism of a waifu of death killing Hoyo is too sweet to pass up!

No. 476387

>>476383
Other posters have said it better but having a fan base of coomers is an extremely temporary thing as they will want more and more. They have the attention span of flies and they will drop you for the next cool thing. So the can pull for Skirk and Effie now, but how many of them are gonna stop caring and move to Nikke? Or even just Marvel rivals, since they can coom to Sue Storm for free while actually having fun? Diminishing returns. Compared to women who will spend 500$ on cute bunny figurines every week without fail. (Or even just men spending fortunes on funko pops and cards) It is impossible to sell op sluts forever, but neutral appeal is eternal.

No. 476394

Wait I forgot but where are Alice and Rhinedottir and the other witches?

No. 476398

>>476383
The problem here is they already got some normies. The one thing to really kill it is for another game to come out, because you just see more people with sunk cost defending it or defending these female characters as feminist and for women. They won't learn their lesson, that's true. But I fear people won't leave Genshin because of how bad the sunk cost is. Wuwa, perhaps, though it also has shooters who hate Hyv despite Kuro not being any better. The only guarantee would be if female players stop buying the merch and also stop rolling for waifus. Stop letting Hyv think they can make merch of a male character and keep you baited with one more patch. Just one more patch until Snezhnaya and then Khaenriah, so don't quit if you want to know what happens to Childe/Kaeya/Albedo/Venti. Just one more patch and Dainsleif is playable. That's how they keep people. Remember that this works on people. Childe was off screen for most of Fontaine, was voiceless for most of Fontaine, and only used to a quick aura farming moment, and the fans are it up and said it makes sense because they can't expect to be fed until Snezhnaya. How do you reason with people who are used to eating shit? This is the Hyv core audience now. They'll say their boycott, but then still roll for the new waifu. Mavuika flopping and having no core audience won't teach the boomers in charge a lesson. They still can't even understand why she flopped.

No. 476400

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>>476398
>I fear people won't leave Genshin because of how bad the sunk cost is.
They will if the entire region is spectacularly bad, like how Natlan was.

No. 476408

>>476398
If sunk cost won’t let them leave then they will simply rot and fester like the WOW player base. But what about money?! Theres no way in this economy they will pony up cash consistently for a game they already resent. I failed to consider the psychological damage Hoyo has caused and that the majority of fans have Stockholm syndrome and won’t leave just because things are dire. I assumed they would flee once they can no longer afford the game and it’s a complete social burden (like being a Made In Abyss or Blue Archive fan). People already have to clarify “I’m not like one of THOSE Genshin fans.” But if that won’t, Genshin would have to seriously shit the bed.

Something like seriously announcing there will be no more playable male 5 stars would get them to abandon ship. Or if they seriously shaft a playable character like Childe, and fulfill the mtf schitzo prophecy. Or even just what others were saying, Genshin fans are looking for any excuse to escape. So when the next big anime game rolls around that has Genshin hype and popularity, they will dump the game. So maybe if not kill, Castorice will weaken the grip of Hoyo, give them an excuse to uninstall, and leave them vulnerable for another company to clean house.

No. 476411

>Mualani: prostitute
>Chasca: prostitute
>Xilolen: prostitute
>Mavuika: prostitute
>Citlali: prostitute
>Mizuki: prostitute
>Varesa: prostitute
>Skirk: prostitute
>Escoffier: prostitute
9 prostitutes and counting- Stop the game!

No. 476419

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Iansan is relegated to being a fitness instructor that has no screen time because they are mad they have to add not only a dark skinned character, but a woman dressed relatively appropriately for the setting. You can tell how much they despise her and the original Natlan. They even moefied her face, aggressive demeanor and dragon skull. Skirk will be an even bigger slut than all combined, and through the traveler’s love, she will be granted a brand new vision to symbolize her heart/emotions. And she will wear it over her heart. Because we still aren’t done ripping off Scaramouche.

They hate Vanessa too, so they made “Varessa” a pink haired cow bimbo. They wiped out her entire tribe and we never hear about them aside from flavor text in Mauvika’s sword. Lorefags cope but it’s such an obvious retcon. We were warned this would happen in Sumeru when Collei claimed to be abused by Dottore, when in the manga, he had never even seen her! I can’t tell if it’s all because they’re disgusted by the thought of having to make an entire tribe of dark skinned characters, or if they want to throughly trample the old story and insult the old writers by getting rid of Vanessa and ruining Iansan. Not even the fabled Mondstadt expansion would probably mention her, Diluc’s father, Dottore, Kaeya, etc. Just Alice/Hexenzirkel teasing.

Alice won’t be playable. She is Klee’s mother, meaning she had sex, she’s married, an adult, etc. If they reveal Klee is made of magic/a chess pawn, we have concrete evidence incels are self aware. They’d be trying to avoid NTR tinfoils while also trying to sell a “milf”. At best we get red “kooky” The Herta.

No. 476423

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>>476132
>Anyway get ready for Castorice to have a bunch of defenders calling you a misogynist
They are already doing it. Someone pointed out the blatant difference in the way Cas and Anaxa are being treated. She didn't want to get backlash from yuritroons and handmaidens, so she mentioned in the replies that she doesn't want anyone to use her post as an excuse to hate Firefly and Castorice kek. But despite that, handmaidens are fuming in the qrts.
It's funny that, aside from their usual "male-obsessed" and "male-centered" jabs, they tend to use the same talking points as moids from /vg/. You cannot say even the mildest thing about female characters without triggering those bitches. They want all fictional women to be put on pedestals and worshipped, leaving no room to discuss their poor characterization and coom elements. Nonnas here constantly talk about all the things they hate about their fav male character's characterization. I genuinely don't understand why saying anything even remotely negative about female characters is such a big taboo in normalfag spaces.

No. 476430

>>476419
Maybe I'm mistaken but didn't klee mention a dad?

No. 476432

>>476423
>I genuinely don't understand why saying anything even remotely negative about female characters is such a big taboo in normalfag spaces.
It can essentially be boiled down to "MUH DOUBLE-STANDARDS". If you have something negative to say about a female character, you need to check your privilege TM on male characters so you can pass the misogyny test. If you ever comment on how goonerbait they are, you will be checked by shitter user yaespoonanajuice, 18, himejoshi and proud lesbian, that you are a male-centered, cock-obsessed misogynist and that you never tried to get past her "cunty" choice designs to pay attention to her touching backstory (that ended up being relegated to voicelines while she has her date with traveler). Don't you know male unit that got released two years ago was just as bad if not worse? Did you check yourself?

No. 476435

>>476423
It's some disturbing faux feminism all women are perfect rhetoric, and that fictional female characters are somehow more important than real women and if you say anything bad about them you're a filthy womanhater and worse than an incel. Complaining about escoffier's lingerie means you are slutshaming her, complaining about oversexualization makes you a prude because women should be allowed to be real divas, and that not eveything sexy is meant to be male gaze, complaining about shitty characterization means you're misogynistic, complaining about natlan means you're also racist. The only reason why escoffier got hate is because her fans dissed natlan, so people could finally find a "proper" reason to hate her, cause she's white and racist. That's why most fans are very careful with their wording because subconsciously they're aware they might get severe backlash and accusations of being the worst misogynists on earth wishing all women died for even an ounce of criticism directed at a waifu. Any discussion regarding female characters has become a very sensitive topic, so you must always preface with "she is so beautiful and I love her she's amazing she's the best girlboss but guys…. i don't like her color palette"

No. 476438

>>476430
Once, in a voice line, about 4 years ago

No. 476498

>>476400
Look how people reacted at the moon thing or the leaks about a new Mond quest or Fontaine event. They don't care if they can get a bit of shipbait or if they think they'll finally get some screentime and possible development. Hyv forcing everyone into starvation is working.
>>476408
I don't think anything would do it if people are still here. They couldn't even boycott during Natlan. If they announced no more male 5 stars, you'd have the worst people cheering and then other husbando fans sticking around for their favorites. At this point anyone still into Genshin will accept anything, include horrible plots like force trooning. They're fine with Hyv doing more predatory tactics because their entire identity is tied to being a Stan, if not of Genshin, of a ship or a character from it. Lore theorists who sunk in years and who won't leave because they want to be right. The amount of time and money people have sunk means Hyv has just the right number of loyal fans who will accept and defend anything because they tied it to their own sense of identity. Their identity as a feminist or as a queer person is tied to their fan activities.
>So when the next big anime game rolls around that has Genshin hype and popularity, they will dump the game
This is what would need to happen. A lot of Genshin normies also came in because no other games were working for them. Unfortunately no new joseimuke games look good enough, if you care about the lore and plots of Genshin then of course an idol raising game about high school boys isn't going to cut it anymore. Unfortunately a lot of JP gachas also just suck. People also don't want to leave a popular fandom for something less popular. They get a lot of money making Genshin fanart, or a lot of attention from talking about it. This is also why it's harder to get people to leave mediocre franchises they're no longer fans of once said media begins a quality decline. It's the same thing that happens with people who are tired of shounenslop, only to get into more shounenslop.

No. 476503

>>476157
I'm pretty sure the endgame of Genshin is to reveal it as a pocket universe in Honkai and tie it back to simply being a spinoff of Da Wei's baby, Honkai.

>>476320
I guess they wanted to spread their seed and monopolize gacha. They just didn't count on how not everyone wants to pay waifuslop and most of Genshin's success was due to reasons already listed in this thread (COVID quarantines during its launch, distinctive characters, the normie friendly aesthetics without coom, open world, easy to follow story, balanced gender ratio), a sum of many variables that they didn't even bother to replicate in later titles. Star Rail had downer sci-fi aesthetics, every character at launch looked the same and the story was filled with convoluted, esoteric lore spaghetti with the most uninteresting battle system created for monetizing powercreeping. And ZZZ… I don't even know what they were trying to do with that. Just testing if they can carry a game on jiggle physics alone I guess?

Anyone who has been playing HSR has probably realized that the events have gotten way more boring and battle-specific which is burning out people because they're already mad at their units being powercrept two patches in. And with global passive being introduced with Castorice, it's going to only get more ruthless from here on out. I guess they're counting on Chinese Hoyodrones to give them money because no other company affords to create gacha games like Genshin and HSR (i.e. not simple PNG collectors) and because 99% of Chinese gamers play on mobile devices so gacha is all they got.

No. 476506

>>476503
>Playing genshin and HSR on mobile
How are their phones not fried?

No. 476508

>>476506
You would have no way of knowing this but people in china often spend a lot of money on high end phones and pc, and then play free games on it at max settings. Many Chinese phone brands are banned in America for ccp spyware.

No. 476510

>>476506
I'm guessing they're more optimized for Chinese mobile phones and their hardware? Like >>476508 said a lot of their brands are banned overseas.

No. 476511

>>476423
>>476435
These people are no better than incels. A lot of these yuri accs are run by troons, which explains why they act no differet. They hate real women because they can't control real women and force real women to only make porn that gets them off. They don't care that the incels Hyv is pandering to also hate yuri, they just blame fujos for not writing fanfiction for them. They treat these female characters as "literally them" so criticizing a female character means you hate nice girls like them. Talk about male centered when they're the ones defending writing choices and marketing choices that center men. This is the end result of fandoms treating characters as more important than real people. I can believe Hyv plan for this too. You can't criticize Castorice and the global passive or her marketing without being called a misogynist. This company is as evil as Disney, they'll probably pull out some female employee to make people think they're still representing the interests of women.

No. 476514

>>476423
>It's funny that, aside from their usual "male-obsessed" and "male-centered" jabs, they tend to use the same talking points as moids from /vg/. You cannot say even the mildest thing about female characters without triggering those bitches.
It's so annoying watching people grovel like this.
>Um, um, forgive me for saying this but, but… I-I just think Escoffier's outfit isn't that good…! D-don't get me wrong! I love Genshin girls and there's nothing wrong with sexy outfits (we don't slut shame here!) but I just kind of wish that her outfit would be more… balanced? idk if I'm bringing my point across but that's just my personal opinion! Please NO HATE for female characters in the replies!!
Just say she looks like a whore and makes you feel uncomfortable because it's dehumanizing to see female characters walk around in lingerie all the fucking time with absolutely no variety to their designs because incels will commit acts of terrorism if they don't get to see every short girl's armpits. Good god. Stop being this cucked. The pornbrained yurifags have done irreversible damage to the entire discourse.

>>476511
>They treat these female characters as "literally them" so criticizing a female character means you hate nice girls like them.
I've had this discussion many times. "Noo you can't criticize her poor writing and declawing of her character because I'M a nice girl and you complaining about her being too nice is a personal attack against ME!" Fuck off, you're not an anime girl created by a moid.

No. 476516

>Traveler and Paimon go to a speed eating challenge with Varesa
>There are two challenge modes: normal and Varesa mode
>Varesa's plate is 10 times bigger than the regular one
>To even attempt Varesa challenge you have to do regular challenge first
>Only Varesa has completed Varesa challenge, but one other person has come close
>Can you guess who it is?
>No, it's not Paimon who's been characterised as a glutton from day 1 of this game That'd make too much sense
>Instead she can't even finish the normal challenge even though I'm sure Paimon's been portrayed as eating much more than this in the past
>It's actually Mavuika
What the fuck is this writing

No. 476518

>>476516
I swear this has to be some feeder fetish thing.

No. 476519

>>476514
People grovel like this because this has always been the type of feminism that's popular in fandoms. They always defend the worst female characters imaginable. They don't understand that even if a male character has bad writing, men aren't oppressed by other men. Male characters being written to appeal to women can never have the same misosgynist baggage as female characters who are written to appeal to men. But in fandom these people focus more on fujoshis than they do the incels who will actually threaten devs if a girl's breast size gets reduced. If you're criticizing designs though, it helps to not use words like whore because it makes it too easy for them to discredit your point.
>"Noo you can't criticize her poor writing and declawing of her character because I'M a nice girl and you complaining about her being too nice is a personal attack against ME!
What's funny is looking by how they act online, none of them are even nice girls. What they are is probably quiet or more filtered irl, because if they spoke to real people the way they speak to people on twitter they'd get their shit rocked, and they mistake that for them being "so nice".

No. 476520

>>476518
I'd agree but Varesa can't get fat no matter how much she eats so I don't get what fetish it's even supposed to be.

No. 476538

>>476516
She really is a Mary Sue holy shit

No. 476567

So I played the whole Varesa quest and here's my review:

The quest is light-hearted and goofy. It's actually kind of funny at points, you'll have fun with it if you turn your brain of. The green mushroom guy was a highlight.
Side-scrolling part of this quest was awesome and novel, hope they bring it back soon.
The constant food talk was repetitive and exhausting.
Iansan is a non-character.
We barely learn anything about collective of plenty.
Varesa… kind of come across as stupid? She's even called so by the green mushroom. Which makes me think that Mihoyo was trying to make her a comedic character. "Haha, look at this stupid fat clumsy girl who eats so much isn't she quirky?" Which maybe could've worked as a breath of fresh air if Natlan was actually dark and gritty instead of moeblob.

No. 476576

>>476520
Anime has had "look how much this character eats, isn't that wacky?!" jokes since pretty much the beginning of time. It's probably an attempt at humour which is like 15 years too late kek

No. 476577

Male characters are very integral to genshin's worldbuilding and lore, and now completely getting rid of them is incredibly jarring. This game wasn't meant to be a waifu simulator, it was supposed to be a normie-friendly anime open world rpg with simple, non-offensive characters that would attract a wide audience. I can't imagine how giga incels the devs must be to literally ruin everything they built and bully their female staff just to churn more goonslop. They already have honkai, zzz and hsr, and it's not like they couldn't have released genshin waifus anymore, but they wanted to completely monopolize the game. Literally just kick out the female and normie fanbase entirely and make a fool out of yourself. I swear, male greed knows absolutely no limits.

No. 476582

>>476516
They are trying really, REALLY hard to make people give a shit about her, my goodness.

No. 476587

>Extremely dumb down the story the same time you introduce gazillion big titty lingerie clad women
Are they exclusively pandering to 12 year old boys? Who else would be into this?

No. 476589

>>476587
Incels don't care about the story

No. 476593

>>476516
>>476567
Kekaroo so she really is all about
>uguu I'm fat and clumsy
>FOOD

No. 476652

>>476577
Is this why people say he's really a woman? They can't imagine a male character being actually important? If they actually do this it's the end for anyone but incels in gacha games.

No. 476653

>>476435
The real problem is it's mostly 17-19 year olds on twitter saying this but they're the accounts who run the show since older people who know better either dropped the game or know it's a waste of time trying to argue with these people. But this means an absolutely braindead version of zoomer feminism takes over.

No. 476662

>>476567
That type of comedy just pisses me off. The worst type of moids love a girl who's clumsy but who also acts stupid so they can infantilized her. They love girls who act like children.
>>476577
The only way is for these games to really start flopping and for the MLbait waifus to flop. Too bad Citlali sold, I don't know about zzz, and with hsr doing the global passive Castorice will probably make bank like Firefly did. They have no competition, only their own games that they can push the normie players into until they pull the exact same shit they did in Genshin. The other competition being Wuwa, which is worse, and upcoming games like Ananta that are pure goonerbait.

No. 476683

>>476055
If it was inspired by Black Panther is would probably have more influences in said nation. BP costume design is probably one of the better ones of the marvel universe.

No. 476687

>>476683
I meant blending hi-tech and traditional African design.

No. 476689

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>>476435
I don't want to play the blame comics/manga/games card. But I do think it's had an influence on normalizing how people view fanservice in media nowadays. Back then it was more acceptable to make fun or, or criticism without much pushback. Nowadays, as long as the suspiciously underage looking character keeps "most" of their clothes on, and she has a backstory people are more likely to look the other way or defend it.

No. 476691

>>476689
I believe it's just that omnipresent in media with media for women, made by women, being pushed out of the mainstream. Most anime that gets adapted is made by men, most comic books are written by men, the video game industry is run by men. People realized it would have to be dismantled for anything to change and the moids threw a fit, so now women in fandom have to excuse fanservice in order to enjoy female characters at all.

No. 476693

>>476691
Yeah, that's probably a part of it. I remember that, while not as popular. I think the one of the few pieces of media where women aren't pushed to the fringes, at least in the west, is books. I remember seeing a male author crying about how most stores only stock their bookselves with mostly romance, or female-lead fantasy books nowadays, and publishers don't want to publish male-lead book. It's nice to see men have to deal with a small fraction of what women have to go through in media.

No. 476702

File: 1743311613413.png (595.56 KB, 659x810, 234432243.PNG)

Does anyone find it extremely weird how hard Genshin/Mihoyo stans go to try and defend characters? Like how the fuck did you get, "People hate Natlan because they're racist." While also ignoring the fact that Mihoyo deliberately went out of their way to not just whitewash the characters, not just skin color wise, but westernizing them in a way that you can't even recognize what culture they're even based on in the first place.

I've seen people seriously call Mauvika a poc, because her design is "based on" Maori bikers, and if you don't like her design you're being racist, and Eurocentric because she's basically a poc by proxy of that fact.

No. 476719

>>476702
Your picrel doesn't even look real. Is anyone seriously saying this?? But I can vividly imagine hoyostans defending Mavuika that way on twitter and I'm so happy that it never crosses my timeline

No. 476721

>>476008
Character being sexualised and a character fitting their world are two different things. Raiden is out here showing her titties and wearing tiniest lingerie. But you can still tell that she's supposed to be from Japan. Mavuika's latex biker outfit would be the equivalent of Raiden wearing 1920's flapper dress.

No. 476724

File: 1743324083426.jpeg (91.83 KB, 1170x570, IMG_1326.jpeg)

Everyone applaud me please and thank you

No. 476726

File: 1743324565853.gif (1.63 MB, 220x320, 1721758577349547.gif)

>>476724
You go girl

No. 476727

>>476702
Citali being visibly paler than the chef girl in that image, ‘racism’ my ass holy kek

No. 476728

>>476726
It hurts a little because I spent a LOT of money on Genshin and was rotting in sunk cost fallacy hell for a while, but anyway, I’m now going to treat myself with a real reward for finally going through with it to remind myself that physical trinkets > gambling for slop pixels.

No. 476732

File: 1743327427487.png (1.65 MB, 1791x806, Mavuika.png)

Adding to Mavuika's design discussion, I wish there was at least one green element in her design to signify that she's from the Scions of the Canopy

No. 476733

>>476732
Nah, it would have made her appearance look even worse. What they really should have done is NOT retcon Vanessa's entire tribe from the manga or at least make them extinct with an explanation and then tied her into its lineage as one of their descendants.

No. 476735

>>476702
>I've seen people seriously call Mauvika a poc, because her design is "based on" Maori bikers, and if you don't like her design you're being racist, and Eurocentric because she's basically a poc by proxy of that fact.
KEK, I love how obvious it is that this argument came from delusional troons. Did they forget that Twitter redesigns don't magically change the canon character's skin/hair colour? Ironically, by their own logic, they're supporting the whitewashed depiction of a real culture, and saying that appropriating parts of said culture suddenly means you "own it" (colonizer mentality).

No. 476770

>>476702
So they changed from "Natlan is racist" to "it's racist to criticize Natlan". This is the Genshin sunk cost in action. They need to be morally superior in the media they consume, and there can be bad criticisms, so now they say it's racist to criticize Citlali's writing or it's misogynist to not like all the waifubait writing. This is proving my suspicion that as Genshin gets worse, you'll see more people defending it. Hyv can do anything and people will still stan.

No. 476773

>>476724
Congrats, your wallet will thank you.

No. 476779

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>>476719
Mihoyo must've figured out a way to beam crack directly into people's eyes, because it's starting to get crazy how big of reaches I'm seeing. Do people overhype Fontaine? Sure, but let's not act like Mihoyo isn't the issue when they took like 8 entirely different cultures that have large if not majority dark skin population, shoved them into one country, and made 95% of them white, wearing knock-off fantasy lululemon sports gear.

Escoffier design is also trash, and she looks like a rejected Xenoblade design for Mythra. But the bitch at very, VERY least, vaguely resembles a chef. They couldn't even be assed to make it clear that Xilonen was meant to be a blacksmith in hers.

No. 476782

>>476779
>Non Eurocentric themes
They'd have to actually, you know, depict those cultures and themes for people to get upset about them kek

No. 476995

Who else stopped caring about the lore when you realized its an excuse for them to shove their Honkai characters in there?

No. 477065

>>476995
I gave up on it when I realised they loved setting things up without ever following through on it. So many potentially interesting plotlines have been abandoned. For the longest time I was dying for Venti's second SQ, but I'm now convinced we'll never get it. Once I came to terms with that I stopped caring.

No. 477077

>>476995
I'm so tired seeing everyone gobble up these Nod-Krai loredrops. Didn't they learn anything from the Natlan shitshow? They'll 100% use the new "region" to prop up 10x more irrelevant FOTM waifus straight from Honkai, all while they scramble to rewrite whatever was left of Snezhnaya after the disaster that was Natlan.

No. 477080

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>>477077
I pity the retards thinking this will amount to something when the lore will be thrown out to NPCs and the AI-generated main quest will be a hassle to go through.

No. 477089

Saw someone point out the original 7 archons were more balanced before going 2:5 m:f

1. venti
2. zhongli
3. makoto
4. rukkhadevata
5. egeria
6. xbalanque
7. the belyi tsar (the tsar of all fae)

No. 477133

>>476779
It's the gambling and the sunk cost. At this point, expect anyone still a fan of Genshin to defend anything the game does because of said sunk cost and the need to make their consumption sound ethical.

>>477065
>So many potentially interesting plotlines have been abandoned
People will never admit this. Then if you ask or criticize the story they say you're the idiot for having any expectations.

>>477077
The whole thing is an excuse to turn the game into Honkai. Honkai has a big reputation for being the sacred cow of the worst twitter yuritroons, so expect them to glaze it and to defend it with "lesbians".

No. 477155

I know this entire thread is doom and gloom but I do think it's a good sign that Mihoyo is noticing that Natlan performed way worse than expected and they are asking players for feedback. Now are they actually going to take that advice and improve? God only knows but at the very least they took the first step.

No. 477156

>>477155
I redownloaded the game yesterday because upcoming leaks with the new boss battle looked cool. I told myself I’d see this game til the end so hopefully things change for the better. Unfortunately we’ll still get slutya but I’m not rolling for new characters anymore.

No. 477159

Summaries of recent hoyo leaks:
Genshin:
- Capitano won't be playable nor will Dottore
- 6.x will have Columbina as the main cash cow they're pushing
- There will be a Kiana Kaslana expy who's a moon god in 6.x(?) and ANOTHER Kiana expy as well
- The Tsaritsa is a Bronya expy
- Playable Durin (the only 5* boy of 2025) will practically replace Scaramouche

HSR:
- Anaxa will die in 3.2
- After 3.x HSR will go to the same "1 male character a year" pace as Genshin

Recommending everyone to uninstall now. Sorry for reposting, greentexting fucked the spoilers.

No. 477165

>>477155
i think the best think they can do is do what blizzard did when warlord of dreanor expansion of wow was flopping- just end natlan early and move on with the story. it didn’t resonate with the audiences, no need to keep shoving it down everyone’s throats.

No. 477167

>>477159
never getting attached to a chinese game ever again holy shit

No. 477168

>>477159
I reached my breaking point with Escoffier. I should have deleted the game when they turned Citlali in a tsundere for the Traveller, but for some dumb reason stayed. But reading about how this random nobody whore in lingery is so OP that she's even BIS for Kinich despite being fucking Cryo is just too much. They want to release nothing but power-creeping sluts from now on, that's their prerogative. But I'm out. Rot in hell, Da Wei.

No. 477191

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>>477159
Dottore sisters, it’s over… Had I had the sense to look into the gacha community before I joined, I never would have bothered latching onto Dottore. I quit weeks ago but it’s painful to be reminded both of my husbandos are dead and buried. JJK trained me for this moment, so I didn’t bother coping with Capitano’s death. If I found the thread any earlier, then I would have known about just how influential honkai is and Chinese men are within the company. They rope in innocent normies and then mentally abuse millions of people with sunk costs and gambling addictions. They don’t view you as a player, only a paypig voyeur to their vaguely ecchi waifu fantasy. I am lucky I got out after only 1 year of playing and 70$ spent. Please let some incel snap and get violent because they powercrept his waifu.

No. 477217

>>477159
>source: my ass
Not seeing these "leaks" anywhere reliable.

No. 477220

>>477217
The first four are reliable, the other ones are shaky.
>>477159
About the HSR ones, it wouldn't surprise me but then I can never tell if leakers are doomposting or letting out their incelic screeching.

No. 477221

>>477155
They only hear what they want to hear though. There's been plenty of valid player complaints over the years, but who did they listen to? A bunch of incels who are insane enough to believe that Scaramouche was cucking them. They don't care what female players think. They know that they have nowhere else to go and that they'll be satisfied with merch and false hope. Just look at Childe fans. He got shafted in Fontaine but they cope about Snezhnaya, exactly as Mhy wants them to.

>>477159
At this point people should but no one will really leave until a new game comes out to replace Mhy. This won't happen so long as other gachas follow the same route, other joseimuke have bad gameplay and center around idols, and a new game is out to take over what audience Genshin and HSR took. Aside from normie and shounen weebs, other gacha fans went to Mhy because they were tired of bad gameplay and uneven fanservice in other games. Genshin promised to be different and it was up until recently.

>>477191
Dottore would never be playable in a game like this. The gacha community only recently became this extreme due to Snowbreak, and now I expect with Wuwa Genshin will try to copy them. There are Chinese gachas that aren't like this, but the problem now is they'll never go global because that takes a lot of money. Only big companies like Mhy have the money to do what they do, and unfortunately the choice to pander to incels is a recent one. The old staff wasn't like this. It's done out of pure spite. I hope more of these upcoming waifu gachas flop, that's our only hope. I have no hope for Genshin fans to wake up since many are in complete denial that they are now run by incels.

No. 477224

Incels won't snap about any waifu. These moids have no loyalty. Every waifu is a tool to them. They only see waifus as coom objects and a way to trigger feminists. They don't care about them being powercrept by another waifu. What they want is no males, no more fujos making homo content, no women in their spaces. They aren't loyal to characters the way women are.

No. 477227

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Kek Skirk will have Xilonen's boobs-n-butt pose

No. 477236

>>477227
>Memory shards
Yep I think the leak about her being stuck up about her emotions or someshit is real. It's time to jump ship before the game goes full on BA mode

No. 477248

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>>477224
They would probably only snap if their personal fantasy was ruined. Such as a pure and innocent waifu having a boyfriend.
>>477227
This is a honkai star rail character. Look at Welt’s splash art and look at hers. I hate hoekai shitpact. That game took everything from us, all because Da Wei can’t let go of his eternally recycled donut steels. Jingliu wasn’t an expy, so they copy and pasted her to Genshin as an excuse to add more honkai bullshit.

Considering what is going on in Honkai, I have my own little tinfoil, extremely unlikely but you can never assume the best with Hoyo: While we all can predict skirk is going to be terrible, imagine if she brings a new element before Dainslef?! Although it’s all but confirmed she is cryo, and will probably get a cryo vision during her quest, I wouldn’t put it past them to introduce a new element because they’re afraid future waifus won’t sell. They would make “abyss” the new dendro hyper bloom, with cryo replacing electro. They release Escoffier and a cryo set. And with the zero energy thing, they could mix in physical damage into the meta, rip Mika. Just imagine how devilish the kit of the Tsaritsa will be with these cryo buffs? It would shake up the meta, and inject hype into the game they desperately need. They have the red carpet of revenue laid out. Waifu that we spend the entire patch saving, long awaited hyped character, sad sob story, crush on Aether, 12 hour quest, global passives, a hundred 5 star supports, and ushers in a new element/mechanic. It’s like cashing in on Furina but on steroids. Abort mission. When skirk drops, it’s over.

No. 477258

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Everyone is talking about Skirk and Bronya/Tsaritsa and the Moon Sisters but I'm still hung over Dahlia. Four years, four agonizing years from his name teased in Rosaria's marketing to the Big Boss leaked reference sheet, just to be met up with an unbearable disappointment. They stripped him of his wings and gave them to another, irrelevant filler four star; they stripped him of his tail and gave it to a literal whore to flant her ass around. I'm betting they even removed his heterochromia too because God almighty forbid we have any actual interesting male character left. I am at a loss of words. I was there from the beginning, I painstakingly waited for him to be revealed one faithful day alongside the rest of Mondstadt we never got to see like the Dandelion sea and Dornman Port. But now? He's going to be made completely irrelevant, overshadowed by an Honkai reject getting all the attention, while he will probably be gifted a laughably bad kit and left to rot, sanitized to hell and back. I am genuinely at a loss of words because I waited for so long for him to be brought up, and it happened in the worst period of this game, getting the Gaming treatment in the process and robbing Mondstadt of another five star that isn't some copy and pasted prostitute like Eula. It's so unfair.

No. 477305

>>477168
For me it was a combination of Ororon being a 4* and a braindead manchild being slapped around by a lolibaba and Capitano getting severely shafted. What made other recovering Genshin nonnies ITT lose hope and quit?

No. 477322

>>477155
I'm not playing for years now, but I do like the emergency lore drops. Stopped paying attention mid-Fontaine, but will track Nod-Krais' Slutyas on pimped out snowmobiles situation.

No. 477328

>>477305
I gave up on the game when the Natlan teaser dropped and there was only one ugly male character and a bunch of slutty waifus.

No. 477330

>>477305
I stopped playing during the 4.2 update because the story was dragging so much, there were no answers, just endless questions and theories. I was also disappointed by the anniversary "rewards" once again and I was tired of the unfun meta gameplay and the tedious grinding. I'm glad I dropped the game before Natlan's release, kek.

No. 477331

>>477305
Capitano dying definitely, i haven't been able to bring up myself to do the archon quest because it's gonna suck
Also it makes me mad that I would have to endure stupid citlali and stupid cow character quests, i think they aren't needed to get the reputation thing completed but it does give more exp and i didnt want to spend too much time in it, not like it matters since i haven't really been playing the game. Even if i like exploring and farming for characters, all the excitement I had has been drained, it doesn't feel fun to play anymore
i'm stupid and really wanted to like natlan, despite everything, but every thing they release makes me more upset

offtopic but why the Natlan music behind the scenes video has not been released? I think it didnt take so long for the other regions and i would like to know what were they thinking when they did the music. I like the soundtrack but also feel it's all over the place

No. 477346

>>477305
Feeling bored while playing the game and burnout from trying to level up characters. Genshin desperately needs a skip button because I cannot have the game auto play while I do chores and actual fun things. I’m the same nonnie who reinstalled and as I’m hiking the volcano I’m felt dread completing it.

No. 477348

>>477133
>It's the gambling and the sunk cost. At this point, expect anyone still a fan of Genshin to defend anything the game does because of said sunk cost and the need to make their consumption sound ethical.

This is also why the VA drama that's been going on is so amusing. VAs were banking on players being so annoyed with the lack of voices in the region that they'd start complaining to Mihoyo, failing to realize that Genshin stans absolutely. Do. Not. Stand. For. Anything. other than their unwavering need to defend Mihoyo from any and every little piece of criticism imaginable. Even if said criticism is done in benefit of them, the player, themselves.

I don't know what the hell they thought was going to happen, because people see it more as them being bullies by inconveniencing Mihoyo, when Mihoyo themselves quite frankly don't give a damn either which way about their Non-China/Japanese fanbase.

No. 477353

>>477348
The only thing a Genshin impact fan cares about is protecting themselves from the sunk cost fallacy. Even if criticism benefits the player, they don’t want to hear it, because that
means that the game isn’t 10/10. If everyone knows the game is shit, they feel humiliated and wasted their time and money. They are so far in the hole, they don’t want it to get better. They are against competition like wuwa, even if it would improve Genshin. Because if wuwa “embarrasses” genshin, then they feel humiliated all over again. The same applies to revenue reports. It’s really sad, and I feel sorry for them. EOS will free them, and it cant come soon enough.

No. 477357

>>477227
You will be called a misogynist for not liking this.
>>477236
Her being closed off but only opening up to traveler of course. This is why Childe had to be unconscious and thrown by her. She's not allowed to have any relationship with him. Childefags still defend how Mhy writes him.
>>477305
The Arlecchino retcon. The Scaramouche one with the tree really pissed me off, but then when Arlecchino did nothing and it's confirmed she wasn't meant to be this defanged, I stopped caring. They don't care about anything but selling characters.

No. 477482

>>477348
>This is also why the VA drama that's been going on is so amusing. VAs were banking on players being so annoyed with the lack of voices in the region that they'd start complaining to Mihoyo, failing to realize that Genshin stans absolutely. Do. Not. Stand. For. Anything. other than their unwavering need to defend Mihoyo from any and every little piece of criticism imaginable. Even if said criticism is done in benefit of them, the player, themselves.

Let's not act like VAs aren't bunch of entitled annoying fags who have absurd demands. If they got their way Mihoyo wouldn't be able to hire any non-union voice actors. I unironically hope Hoyoverse fires and replaces all of them.

No. 477510

File: 1743524214100.jpeg (305.03 KB, 1896x1079, IMG_6320.jpeg)

Is this real? How did Varesa actually do? I saw a korean fan I follow post this

No. 477528

>>477159
So the incels told us that the archons having a ratio of 5 women to 1 man and 1 whatever was justifiable because there were more "male harbingers than female harbingers" but we ONLY HAVE TWO MALE HARBINGERS WHO ARE FUCKING PLAYABLE AND TWO DEAD? Why am I PLAYING in this swamp of sluts, what the fuck am I doing with my life, what happened to this completely normal, sane, benign game that caused it to devolve into Pornhub what the fuck who the fuck is this game EVEN FOR anymore, no way incels cared for genshit to begin with shouldn't they be in Azur Lane or something?

No. 477538

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>>477510
Here's the monthly revenue. Varesa did not so great. You'll also have to take account Wrio + Furina's revenue with her.

No. 477542

>>477538
>38 million dollars
How is that bad?

No. 477544

>>477538
At least half of that was probably for furina and wrio kek

No. 477546

>>477542
In comparison, January nearly did 100K. At the end of February, there was a decrease of roughly 75% of what the CNY gifts and banners were supposed to bring. By the end of March, we barely recovered from a big ass nothingburger of a patch, and yet the sales aren't particularily stellar.

I'm talking of course in terms of Genshin standards. Other competitors are more or less maintaining their positions (looking at Infinity Nikki despite their filler patches).

No. 477554

>>477482
I've hated Paimon's VA since she tried to claim Paimon was nonbinie

No. 477581

File: 1743541572327.jpeg (200.95 KB, 922x922, IMG_6204.jpeg)

The only way we can save Genshin

No. 477684

>>477353
Nah fuck competition like Wuwa too, they're even worse than Genshin in terms of incel pandering. The only thing the devs will learn from that is to make more waifus for the Aether harem and make more scenes where Aether is the hero because that fanbase only cares about having a Gary Stu mc that all the waifus throw themselves at. Genshin is abandoning female players to compete with Wuwa. Complete garbage writing like the leaks for Skirk are straight out of the Wuwa handbook.

No. 477715

File: 1743568002818.jpg (633.68 KB, 2048x1347, lol.JPG)

Thank you for all the hard effort you put into male character splash art mihoyo, it really shows

No. 477724

>>477715
Its the same lazy pose they do with HSR Imaginary men kek why are they obsessed with making them lean right

No. 477730

i know you all are suffering but this thread is super refreshing to read, i get tired of handmaidens squeeing over 1 generic husbando and brainwashing themselves into enjoying hamster voiced titty monsters…is there any milk on zzz by the way?

No. 477734

>>477715
Just compare Ifa's design to Escoffier here >>477581, the prostitute is half naked while he's in a burqa. God forbid Hoyo men show skin

No. 477747

File: 1743576075076.jpg (78.67 KB, 915x979, begging.jpg)

It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down…

No. 477748

>>477684
>Genshin is abandoning female players to compete with Wuwa.
This. The change aligns with the rising popularity of Wuwa last year and Mihoyo staff were apparently in love with that game (to the point they aped Scar's bike and gave it to Mavuika) and Wuwa is absolutely notorious for pandering to incels since the beginning. They remove mentions of other male characters from female characters' voicelines post release because schizo incels legitimately think they're being cucked if a female character even acknowledges the existence of another man.



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