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No. 2191693
This thread is to discuss your grievances with gender ideology.
>What is gender ideology? Foundational to transgenderism, gender ideology is the belief that one’s “internal gender” can contradict one’s biological sex.
Gender ideology operates much like a religious cult. There is no scientific evidence that supports the notion that we have an “internal gender,” and yet doctors now medicalize and sterilize children with “transgender identities” who have been groomed by the cult. Anyone who does not reaffirm these delusions is labelled as a “transphobe” in order to discredit any dissenting voices of the cult.
Previous threads:
>>>/ot/2121106>>>/ot/2037097>>>/ot/1894283>>>/ot/1941872>>>/ot/1991983>>>/ot/2097274Relevant /snow/ threads:
>>>/snow/2022374 (MTF general)
>>>/snow/2016968 (FTM general)
No. 2191694
fuck im a dumbass who forgot to update the /snow/ threads,
>>>/snow/2035831 (mtf) and
>>>/snow/2041204 (ftm) for the most recent ones
No. 2191709
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>>2191703thank you for creating a legend, nonna ♥
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what the fuck is wrong with will ferrell? he and his TIM buddy went to a restaurant, awkwardly started talking about trannies for no reason during what was supposed to be a steak-eating challenge, and then got upset when everyone didn't fall in line by cheering for them.
>Will & Harper shows Ferrell and his close friend Steele, who came out as transgender in 2022, embarking on a 17-day road trip across the country. In one notable scene shot in March 2023, the duo stops at The Big Texan Steak Ranch in Amarillo to take on the restaurant's famous 72-ounce steak challenge. But Steele gets a less-than-warm welcome when she toasts to the crowd.
>"I'm from Iowa, but I will raise a glass to your great state of Texas," Steele said, holding a glass of wine. "I wish you guys would do more for trans rights in this state." But as the crowd stopped cheering and a few people groaned, Steele said, "It went dead, completely dead. That's not how we would treat you up in Iowa."
>Ferrell, dressed as Sherlock Holmes from his 2018 film Holmes & Watson, holds up his own glass and adds, "Cheers to Texas and trans rights, right?"
>The toasts don't make it into the film, but the aftermath of the visit does. Steele and Ferrell face a wave of negative comments on social media, and both note how uncomfortable the experience quickly became.
>"The room started to feel very wrong to me," Steele says in Will & Harper. "I was feeling a little like my transness was on display, I guess, and suddenly that sort of made me feel not great."
No. 2191909
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i feel terrible. my friend is in an awful situation unimaginable to people living in the first world, and i wanted to use the dumb transanta shit to help her out a bit, as i know she would 100% need it more than any of these american/western euro upper middle-class gendies. however, they opened earlier than id anticipated and with a far shorter window than usual. i missed the deadline by a hair (ironic too, because i was obsessively checking throughout the whole month of august for any news on application dates). im so mad at myself, but im also disgusted by the idea that some fucking financially illiterate troon from the suburbs is gonna be getting life-saving thongs on handmaidens' dime instead. i know there are grifter nonnas here too, but i can at least respect people who know they're grifting and don't claim to be genocide victims. this is such a shot in the dark but if any grifter nonnas have an extra spot…
No. 2191929
>>2191829TOP KEK at the people groaning when he started sperging about trans rights. How fucking stupid can scrotes be? I'm not a burger so correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most states in the south known for being conservative to the point even black people have to tread carefully? But of course white trannies have always been so privileged they lack absolute self awareness and think everyone's gonna fellate their limp micropenises no matter where they are.
>>The toasts don't make it into the film, but the aftermath of the visit does.Kek of course they'd omit what they said to make patrons uncomfortable and kill the vibe but include the aftermath so the tranny can look like a poor widdle
victim being harassed for no reason.
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No. 2191964
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Saw this on Tumblr, discussing TIMs (ethel cain, ayesha erotica, etc.) and how perverted they are. I agree with this person so much
No. 2192098
>>2191829LMAO i'm so happy that happened, go texas
>>2191964as a former tumblr user who was groomed there to believe in trans during my childhood/teens, it's very cathartic to see terfy posts on tumblr
No. 2192133
>>2192098tumblr actually has a lot of
TERF posts, it's one of the only reasons why I use it. granted it's still a website filled with trannies and TRAs if you venture out anywhere else
No. 2192197
>>2192133Yeah the radfem and
terf community is really strong on tumblr surprisingly. I think after the porn ban all the degens moved to twitter and most of them were trannies and tranny supporters.
No. 2192249
>>2191912Sorry for the blog post but I had something similar happen at my work after that TIF shot up a Christian elementary school. I live in Tennessee (where the shooting happened) and like the day after the shooting my tranny coworker for whatever reason kept bitching to random customers about trans healthcare and trans genocide. It pissed so many people off that customers would just walk out and not even buy anything. This one old black lady was so uncomfortable with this oblivious retard ranting to her about how much trans and black people are under attack by conservatives that she stopped him while he was ringing her up, told him she needed to grab something from her car, and fucking walked out and drove off.
These assholes suck at reading the room and are so self absorbed I hate working with trannies
No. 2192266
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I read Light from Uncommon Stars today after being pestered by a TRA friend who gushed over the writing and the gorgeous, stunning, cathartic imagery and how trans women were wonderful. I literally couldn't finish it because of how autistic the writing was. It's a book where you can tell the author is a TIM literally in the first sentence. His self insert is a tragic troon who runs away from 'her' ebil family because they don't see him as a woman. 'She' is a brilliant violinist who at the end of the book is asked to play worldwide to show everyone that trannies are girls too and gets gifted a Tesla. This was written in 2021, when Musk was already a laughing stock, btw. The whole book is the author's fetish fantasy of a tranny being feminized by a sexy Asian lady who's older but doesn't look it and getting back at the haters by being so special and cool and awesome and talented and fuckable and beloved. It feels like reading a more coherent text-only version of Chris Chan's comic masterpieces. It's impressively autistic, cut up into weird paragraphs with no flow, with a ton of details that make the book feel more like a manual. It's unsalvageable slop, like everything else that's touched by entitled narcissistic men who view women as a set of stereotypes.
The whole book reeks of 'spoilt boy with no problems who invents problems to justify his victim complex'.
Idk if this really suited for this thread, I just needed to rant about that pile of drivel to someone who isn't my friend. I told her how disappointed I was and she's messaging me non stop about how it's a good book because it has big words, and how it doesn't matter if it's good or not because a trans woman wrote it and we need to listen to trans voices, and how it's mean to say I'm disappointed in the cathartic release of a trans woman's pain.
The one good thing is that the author recognizes that he's ugly as fuck. The troon self insert gets on a bus with old ladies wondering if he's a boy or a girl and they decide he's too ugly to be a girl (correct). It's all very woe is me, but at least that bit is realistic.
Picrel is the author btw, his looks have not improved.
No. 2192356
>>2192197Tumblr banning porn was based even if it seems like it still ends up seeping through regardless. I'll never understand the outrage it got and why people hated the decision and proudly announced that they were quitting the website over some porn. Really goes to show how pornsick the average internet user is that if ONE website doesn't allow it you have to jump ship. Genuinely can't imagine being that far gone but a huge amount of people are. They talk about the site like it's dead too nowadays even though it isn't
>>2192301I noticed that too. I think it was over some retarded shit reddit did a while back (can't remember what by now), and there was also some drama about those trannies being banned off of tumblr for their degeneracy and them saying they were being hate crimed or some shit. Anywhere they go in general turns it unusable, they're so gross.
No. 2192528
>>2192266I can't believe someone else has read this shitty book. I picked it up from the bookstore on a whim because the cover was cute, but the book itself was dumb. The only interesting character is the older Asian woman who makes a deal with the devil. All the other characters, including the mtf violinist, the alien, and whoever made the violin, are so irrelevant that I can't tell you any personality traits of them. You can tell it's the author's self-insert because the cool older Asian lady doesn't care that the violinist is trans and always encourages him to be a better violinist. The alien has this projection technology that the troon uses to see himself as a girl and he's so euphoric about it. He posts a video of himself playing violin and everyone posts mean and transphobic comments, but then he finally performs live and everybody clapped because he's so good at violin that it got back at the haters. Most blatant wish fulfillment I've read in a long time.
Shockingly the reviews all complain that the book isn't supportive ENOUGH because they actually type out the transphobic comments and the troon's inner voice. I can't fathom it because every "good" character in this book makes sure to let the troon know that they are so cool with trans people and they really don't care that he's trans because they're very enlightened. There's nothing subtle about it. But apparently reading descriptions of gender dysphoria and transphobia is enough to
trigger reviewers and undo everything else about the book.
It really feels like an OCD thing where if they read something negative, it gets stuck in their heads and they can't stop ruminating on it. I bet you gender dysphoria is a type of OCD thought pattern that you can develop or worsen. I have a tendency to obsessive thoughts and reading tons of accounts of gender dysphoria in my early twenties made me start to develop dysphoria too. I stopped reading them and thankfully it went away, but it still comes back if I spend too much time around TIFs describing how they're totally not women because they don't want to be sexualized and TIMs talking about how they're women because they WANT to be sexualized. OCD is unfortunately really hard to treat. Sometimes if it's about a specific problem, like being afraid of leaving the hairdryer on, you can just take the hairdryer with you and it solves the issue. Maybe transition works for you if it's for something very specific like that. But other types of OCD just move from anxiety to anxiety, and I guess these are the people whose dysphoria never seems to get better as they transition and only gets worse as they find something new to fixate on.
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>>2192528I have OCD as well and know exactly what you mean. One example of this in action is the British detransitioner Ritchie Herron. He had undiagnosed and untreated autism, OCD, PTSD, and other mental health problems that should have flagged him to not receive gender affirming “care”. Instead he had SRS and realized once it was too late he didn’t think he was a woman at all. Here’s an article that talks about him and his story;
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/i-immediately-experienced-regret-british-man-recounts-horror-of-gender-transition-surgery/amp/ No. 2192871
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Pro trans "sex work collective" is selling these pins. "Sex work is work" and "abolish work" in the same picture, which is it then? Also don't forget to slap women who are critical of prostitution but no word against the johns who actually murder TIM prostitutes.
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>>2192266im getting soooo sick of these stupid tranny wish-fulfilment novels that've been coming out as of late. one of my TRA friends was sperging out about how good picrel was when it's basically just a giant tranny bdsm/sugar daddy/csa fest with ~feelings~. i don't deny that the author has skill with words, i just think it sucks seeing it wasted on slop like this when he could be writing about something other than his raging autogynephilia. actual brain-eating amoeba type shit
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I got a poor trans person trying to get my attention to RT his stuff due insert trans problems. The weird thing is that I have never speak with him and called me "friend".
No. 2192892
>>2192603according to j.michael bailey, agp tendencies usually comes from a combination of being upper-middle class, misogyny, porn addiction, having nothing really to do and are usually over represented in academia
it would be rare to see a poor white person or minority with a conservative family becoming an agp, however upper class minorities can likely to devolep agp tendencies, if these circumstances exist
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These are the same people that don’t want to be oppressed. Moidcide when? This tim claims he has been sexually assaulted(doubt) but I guess his looks matter more than his walls being invaded. He must have liked it.
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“Gender affirming care” to prepubescent children is akin to castration imo.
No. 2193010
>>2193003nayrt Stats on what specifically? If a child is put on puberty blockers and then goes on to take wrong sex hormones, they will be sterilized. That's facts.
Nobody knows entirely what happens when kids go off puberty blockers because nobody's done the studies.
No. 2193057
>>2192871I was thinking about this too recently, they claim to hate capitalism and want to abolish work but somehow fixate on sex work being "real work" like why do you care? Just exposes how they have no real values and support sex work specifically because it gives them access to women lol
>>2192956I wouldn't be surprised if it's that high. I've known mostly white guys and so many of them have turned out to be AGPs. It's like in any group I've joined that was predominantly white males there's always at least one or two that troon out with those exact tendencies
No. 2193146
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>>2192892>>2192956somewhat related, there is a book about contemporary Japanese male sexuality called "confessions of a frigid man". In the chapter on "lolita complexes," the authors argue, based on interviews with self-confessed lolicons, child molesters and other studies, that lolicons are not just sexually attracted to little girls, but the attraction to girls is a side effect of imagining themselves transforming into girls transform. as for why Japanese men don't transition, it's because they know they can never really be little girls so instead they want to own them either as posters, magazines and through rape, the authors also make no correlation between lolicons and shotacons, but only when the "boys" are cross-dressing or feminized
No. 2193203
>>2193146Yes nona! That book is underrated, it's really interesting. He's spot on when it comes to the lolicon/AGP connection, this type of man (from pedos to mere moe enjoyers and AGP anime fans) wants to fully submerge himself in this bubbly idealization of the other sex. The book's theory rings true, this idea that many men struggle with a fundamental sex delimitation (made worse by porn), a 'grass is greener' delusion that women have access to something superior in sex, which is the basis for male frigidity. It really looks like most AGPs cannot face this delimitation and spend their lives denying the obvious (Mommy is a woman, i'm not a woman, i'm not a blissfully unwaware child anymore). It's like they (frigid men, lolicons, troons) try to reconcile the Madonna and the Whore by insisting the women they jack off to or have sex with do have a virginal, 'pure' quality to them (think about how AGPs describe female orgasms like they're a religious experience). This strategy inevitably fails because it's rooted in unsustainable self-loathing. They're huffing copium to make sense of being a male, this copium
triggers further coping that eventually leads them to trooning out. Wild
>as for why Japanese men don't transitionYeah i wondered about this difference when i first read the book. I suppose there is enough of a legal industry that caters to this brand of pedo/AGP escapism so these men don't feel the need to troonout. I read somewhere that japanese otakus tend to strictly delineate their fantasies and couple intimacy (
if they enjoy intimacy kek). For whatever reason they're still capable of separating their daily life from degeneracy, though i wouldn't be surprised if we saw a massive uptick in trooning out (looks like there are already many crossdressers on the loose)
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>>2192871>sex work is work>work should be abolished>sex work (work) should be abolishedby this logic they should slap themselves.
amazing that they think every other kind of work is exploitive but sex work is the only one that is empowering. hmmm.
No. 2193513
This is not a new problem or a novel complaint, but I fucking hate having really autistic interests and wanting to talk about them to people. I'm able to find good groups and places to discuss them but the second a tim gets involved all he ever wants to talk about is extreme fetishes, porn, rape, "terfs", or crossdressing. They don't even care about the actual topic at hand, at most they just pop in to take a picture of some basic easy thing they did like a fresh Arch install with thigh high socks in the frame. They never even do anything impressive or come up with interesting ideas. I'm starting to think the high IQ thing with AGP is a desperate cope, and it's really just skewed that way because they tend to be more affluent and have better access to education. Once they actually troon out, they just stagnate and devote all their time and energy to the fetish. It feels so uncomfortable when you're just having a normal pleasant conversation with someone and a guy inserts himself into the conversation to talk about porn or say really inappropriate sexual things to you. It's probably even worse if they know you're a woman. It's fucking creepy as shit the way they talk about lesbians, or more specifically, "cis lesbians" as they love to say. They're obsessed with lesbians and they genuinely sound like serial killers whenever they bring them up.
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I was really enjoying this one YouTube channel called morpho that reviews extreme horror novels, I really enjoyed the fact that the woman making the videos was really open and critical of how a lot of extreme horror authors and works are just trash written by misogynists. But then she goes on RAVING about this one book called Fluids, and even just hearing the first 5 minutes of the synopsis I knew the author was a troon. It's so obvious that the author has a vomit and rape fetish (his self-insert has no personality besides "weak fragile twans giwl that gets molested by the evil cis woman while puking) and I was even more floored that she was praising the book to high heavens when the only difference between this book and all the other books she had rightfully called out as woman-hating was that this ugly beast wrote it with one hand. And the only other "woman" writer she reviewed was also a troon (she even complained in that review that she didn't know how the author was this misogynistic as a troon). I'm just so irritated… I feel like we need actual women writing for extreme horror.
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No. 2194441
>>2194426>I think youtubers have to use the "correct" pronouns not to get the video deleted and their account suspended though, right?I have a small hobby specific youtube channel, i've gotten away with misgendering so many celeb troons "by accident" kek
Almost no one seems to care but every once in a while I get angry people commenting and telling me that "the dangerhair slutty dressed woman is actually an enby theythem, do better bigot" so i just mute them from appearing on my channel now. I doubt I could get away with it if I was a bigger channel but I'm hoping them being immediately offended just makes them stop watching and that they'll never come back. It's also way easier to get away with it when you misgender enbies who look and act fully female, most people think that's silly anyway and they're meeker and less aggressive than transwomen for obvious reasons.
Another lifehack is to pretend to be a confused normie, pretend you met/knew an enby and she said it means she accepts any and all pronouns so that you calling this enby celeb she should therefor be fully ok and you trust your irl enby friend more than a rando on the internet.
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Yeah, we cannot forget when trans people fought for
No. 2195149
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>>2193146>>2193203The author of Inside Mari has literally stated this, he wants to be a 'girl' (not a woman) because he views himself as a failure as a man. But he knows he can't actually become one, so it remains just a fantasy, what he describes is literally just standard AGPism but he won't ever transition because he'll never have the pandering or encouragement that happens in the West. All he'll (and other Japanese APGs) have is their hentais
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Thanks. I hate it.
No. 2195331
>>2193472If it's any reassurance I doubt the women making
>>2192871 do anything involving shit. More likely they're Onlyfans users who think having 5 subscribers entitles them to speak on behalf of trafficked women.
No. 2195336
>>2195149I was about to post this! I'm 100% sure his AGP tendencies stem from his mommy issues as well. His other manga
Blood on the Tracks is about a boy and his mentally ill, overprotective mother, there's some light incestuous vibe to their relationship and there's a scene in the manga that's a direct reference from Oshimi's life (his mother kicking him out of the house and locking the door).
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>>2195336nta but that theory was also presented in the book I mentioned
>>2193146, lolicons desire young girls due to wanting to separate themselves from their own mothers. though the authors did not fully agree with this theory, there still might be some correlation
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>>2195349I don't know why you're trusting anything this guy says about sexuality. He does that freudian thing where he invents a "plausible" explanation of a subconscious process and then decides that makes sense. I could invent any number of equally plausible theories to picrel
No. 2195636
>>2195349I read that book and this was the only part I actively disagreed with and didn't like. Let's rephrase
>men try to protect themselves from the emotional connection of a mother who pursues her own self-actualization by making her son study by raping trafficked children.The poor, poor men. Mommy wanted me to make me study too much and I must protect myself from her smothering. By raping girls, I can effectively protect myself from evil mommy and her high expectations of my education.
I agree that mommy issues are at play but they're not like this. More likely, emotional incest from the mother towards the son (treating your son like your husband), which is just as harmful as physical acts of incest, does nothing but perpetuate the cycle of abuse that leads (certain)
victims to become perpetrators.
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>>2194448It’s funny because they really expect you to shut up, smile, and never disrespect a troon while a woman will never ever get this amount of public grace even from people who you think are defending women kek. This type of shit makes my blood absolutely boil holy shit I fucking hate trannies and their whiteknighters
No. 2195657
>>2195508>I could invent any number of equally plausible theories to picrelNTA but please share them if you do beauce it'd be interesting, psychology in general was never and never will be a hard science, everyone is interpreting subjective accounts and external behavior. Assuming women troon out to escape what they perceive to be a jail is also a "plausible" explanation of a subconscious process that we can't really measure, but i think everyone here agrees it's very very likely to be the case for many TiFs
>>2195636>I agree that mommy issues are at play but they're not like thisAgree.
Devouring parents come up so often in biographies of disturbed/perverted people, saying it's just about being told to study hard is bad faith. It's about having no sense of individuality whatsoever and the resulting dysfunction (also a thing for TiFs). Anyhow, emotionally stunted moids are overrepresented among AGPs and lolicons but it's
not the only or primary cause of these paraphilias
No. 2195663
>>2194441>It's also way easier to get away with it when you misgender enbies who look and act fully female, most people think that's silly anyway and they're meeker and less aggressive than transwomen for obvious reasons.If you wanna be openly gc or you want to scare off troons from hanging out around you without getting backlash start by criticizing tifs, especially enby tifs.
Woke males do not give a shit if you talk shit about any kind of female, including female troons, and men are the ones who send death and rape threats. So you can ward of gendies and TRA simply by being slightly rude about tifs.
And if some Karen (is there a name for a gendie-supporter Karen? Kairen?) decides to call you out you can specify you're talking about those tifs that dress fully feminine, take no hrt or surgery and twirl around in dresses calling themselves manly men you can usually get them to agree with you that those girls aren't "real" trans. And even that those girls are harming the "real" trans people kek
No. 2195863
>>2195733incredibly based, you're doing god's work
nonny ♥
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If it wasn’t real I would laugh at the absurdity of it all
No. 2195947
>>2195896Yes, please tell us, Sir,
how you will get to decide what we women are!
>"transwomen say they would lose rights to equal pay with men and suffer restricted services"this is one of the arguments in the article as to why TIMs should legally be defined as women… why would they lose right to equal pay if they already are men? either they're a man and don't have to worry, or they're """legally""" a "woman" and are entitled to equal pay through law. there is no third category for trans people where they earn less… retards. making shit up to sound oppressed as usual.
>>2195733>subtly exaggerate their male featuresbased but tbh I think just absence of touching up would have sufficed. at least if they realised you 'touched down' the photos they have plausible deniability that they look like ogres kek
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I haven't gone on Tumblr in a while and I occasionally go on there to look at art or shitposts and it's fine for the most part, then I remembered one of my mutals who's a friend in irl is a gendie unfortunately. she reblogged this post and it's getting harder for me to tolerate her knowing she unironically supports this
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How gender ideology harms lesbians , especially butch lesbian.
1/2
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>>2196275Good on her for standing up for herself against these retards kek. I hope she became terfy after this.
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Nonnas I need help please. I put way too much thoughts on troons, to the point that I overly fixate on it , perks of being autistic I guess kek.
I just want women’s spaces and women to be left alone and for stupid men to stay out and I feel like everyone is so stupid because how the heck can you support this shit?
No. 2196334
>>2196307>perks of being autistic same and it baffles me that so many autists buy into gender ideology when it makes no logical sense on any level. i wouldn't obsess so much if we weren't being constantly gaslit about how biological sex works, material
reality, women's safety, medical experimentation on children etc. i don't want to fixate on it either but i can't force myself to believe lies and accept wrongdoings.
my only advice is to find more fixations you enjoy and make you feel good. i still check in here regularly though to keep my sanity (knowing i'm not the only one who questions all of this).
No. 2196520
>>2196334All my hobbies are infested with troons though , at least online. Whichever social media app I open I’m always met with at least five types of content , despite me not liking any of them.
I’m kind of repulsed with sex too and TIMs are always so disgusting, the only thing they ever talk about is how they are so feminine , how HRT made them girl horny, girl orgasm, how they’re puppies and obviously the mythical girldick. You know that sensation you get when you’re with a scrote who is so sexual to the point that it makes you uncomfortable and gross? That’s what every TIM makes me feel.
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>>2196307boy have i got the cap for you
No. 2196658
>>2196595>>2196334This sums up my whole mindset about this, why should I lie in the first place? It takes useless effort to remind myself that the man in front of me wants to be called a woman or viceversa, I don’t gain anything from it, zero, while I lose quite a lot.
> same and it baffles me that so many autistsbuy into gender ideology when it makes no logical sense on any level
I honestly think that it’s the desire to find common place with like minded people, that and also a whole lot plethora of other mental illnesses and the tendency to overly fixate on particular topics (in this case your own self). It’s much easier to just put a bandaid on and attribute all your problems onto being born in the wrong body and taking special pills , injections and surgeries to be your own true self, rather than accepting yourself and learning how to properly cope with your own self , gender ideology removes accountability and creates perpetual
victims that always think “it’s not my fault! It’s the universe’s fault! If I wasn’t born like this I would be a better person and I would have more potential!”.
No. 2196677
>Be weird autistic girl in school who likes anime in the early 00s>Be bullied>Find yaoi/yuri in last year in middle school, still be weird but in private>Go to a school out of town in a bigger city, find like minded people, trade gay manga, fangirl on it, realize I'm bi>Grow up, the teen cringe goes away but still enjoying my husbandos and waifus>Had some stuff to deal with here and there with life, decide after a very rough time to indulge in my hobbies to feel good again>Try to get my name known around as an artist alley artist>the artist alley scene is filled to the brim with troon artists, with tifs being annoying as shit and transing characters, to the point of bullying you out of the spaces (not happened to me because I have some self respect to not give credit to them but saw this on other people) for not agreeing if said character is trans>More trans characters in media>tifs try to be my friends just because I have a culture in gay manga>tims try to be my friends bcs of course if I indulge in media then I'm totally a supporter and a safe space for them>Suddenly (I may be dramatic but I shit you not it's the same feeling) feeling less and less joy in my hobby>Realize it's because it's the same feeling of being gaslit and lied to that led me into a spiral of deep depression in my late teen and early adulthood years because I was in an abusive relationship with a bippie>troons have the same tendency to lie, mood swings, identity crisis and rage outbursts as bippies do>Connect some dots>Now every space feels unsafe to meBloody hell I know that anime is a easy target for troons but what someone like me do to enjoy their series without any of this bullshit? In some space they warp so much the characters they basically become ocs and you can get cancelled for drawing a penis on a transwashed bishie that obviously gets transwashed because he's cute or girls get dicks because they're dominant/butchy. Fuck this. Writing their own stereotypes and invading every community, the thing that pains me it's seeing that normal people can't stand them but we're in a emperor's new clothes situation and the silence drops awkwardly around them. Once one of them asked me why I don't like a guy character from popular show with a pussy, because "you're bi, why you don't like it?"
Because I like media literacy, you dunce.
I can't enjoy shit anymore because I know that I have to walk on eggshells and go out of canon/character while my autism makes me fixate on canon media, it's hell.
Check this
>>2196170 No. 2196699
>>2196677Main reason why I don’t engage in any fandom bs. Never went into any anime con and I’m proud of that. I just watch my series and go away. Every space has become
toxic and filled to the brim with trannies who are so fixated on transing every single thing and who are quick to shun you if you don’t worship them. They’re supposed to be 1% of the population, why the hell are they so represented in anime/manga communities?
I miss the time when watching anime was embarrassing and loser behavior, at least people acted decently kek.
No. 2196811
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Wrong:"Trans masc ppl (and seahorses) CAN get pregnant, and that's a fact."
Correct: "TIFs can get pregnant because men cannot get pregnant, since their bodies are not meant to hold a pregnancy".
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I’m kekking at this brewing company’s name.
No. 2197013
>>2193003Hannah Barnes' book "Time to Think" goes into how all children at GIDS prescribed puberty blockers went on to take cross-sex hormones. Therefore the negative outcomes of cross-sex hormones, including sterility, will happen to all "trans kids".
>>2193010>Nobody knows what happens when kids go off puberty blockersIn patients with precocious puberty, Lupron causes a range of health problems even when followed with true HRT.
https://www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/ No. 2197098
>>2196275Handmaidens when they see an obvious, hulking tranny:
>Yass kween slaayyy girl, transgirls are the prettiest!Handmaidens when they see a butch lesbian:
>What is this MAN doing here?! No. 2197169
>>2196307I felt just like you. I started an anonymous radfem blog to write about it and got it out of my system for the most part. I still hate the ideology but knowing that other people also hate it gives me peace. And knowing that left anti-gender ideology people are everywhere. In the US most people against gender id are conservatives who are also anti gay and anti abortion, which is no real ally to us, but there are signs of left discontent with gender stuff everywhere. It will be a long time unfortunately before the tables turn, but as the outcomes of this ideology get put out in the open (especially detransitioners and women’s sports), it will be harder to maintain the support.
I’ve met so many people, including pro trans people, who make all sorts of snide little references when they think they’re safe about how non binary is nonsensical, how TIMs always end up dressing inappropriately. A lot of the supporters have doublethink - they know a lot of this is bullshit, but they still think the core is good because medical authorities approve it and we’ve been flooded in pity stories for years. The more mainstream news covers this stuff, the more the Overton window shifts.
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>>2197043so many amazing places to explore
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if I somehow fuck up this post it's because I'm on mobile anyways what do we think of this
No. 2197468
>>2197416Because making fun of them even about something completely unrelated to them being male that any woman would get made fun of for too will get you labeled a transmisogynist and ostracized. You can't even criticize troons for being literal violent criminals without getting called a
TERF.
No. 2197477
>>2197416Because there's like 10 thousand trannies for every real lesbian. They're completely outnumbered. Most "lesbians" nowadays are bihets who harass actual lesbians for their nasty genital preferences and talk about how
valid it is for lesbians to suck dick, so they feel less safe than ever to voice what real lesbians opinions on trannies are. And since it's a social contagion and porn addicted moids are on the rise, there's more and more trannies every day.
No. 2197482
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>>2197445That’s a lot of big and scary words trying to intimidate people from challenging him. Very male behavior.
>The issue with TERFs is that they appropriate science and yet are not scientists, they misinterpret the scientific implications of various facts they learned in highschool level biology, and think they’re intellectuals. TERFs are the fedora tippers of gender theoryHe’s really telling on himself here kek
No. 2197501
>>2197416>I don’t understand why more lesbians don’t make fun of these guys or try to ostracize them? 1. Lesbians are women who are vulnerable to their male troon violence
2. All former LGBT spaces are now basically T-only spaces so they are outnumbered by a lot of troons (most troons are straight men, and straight men outnumber lesbian women naturally)
2. Because the ones who do get shunned from the community, and for lesbians it's not easy to find a new welcoming community
3. The only way for them to escape the troons and/or be accepted is to stop identifying as a lesbian and to be some kind of "demiboy", "transmasc", enby-non-woman
4. Lesbians who are already in a stable lesbian relationship don't have to worry about actually being confronted by girldick so they pretend it's not a big deal
5. Because most lesbians now troon out themselves, they in turn have to accept male troons so they can be accepted as female troons
6. Because most lesbians troon friends are actually just fellow female lesbian tifs, they all accept them by default as they are women. It can take years before they meet an actual male troon and realize they're all gross predatory males
No. 2197507
>>2197501Agree with everything but
>most troons are straight menis just not true, most troons are bisexual. When they identify as transbians, they're very much including fellow trannies.
No. 2197526
>>2197445Really says it all when he thinks the female sex is just something that can be hacked into or engineered. Very very male. Hilarious that he thinks we have a flawed understanding of biology when he sounds like a schizo who does't understand fundamental concepts of reality. But not even a fascinating kind of schizo, just retarded.
>change DNA, change your sex! No sir. Your Y chromosome will always determine you to be male. Your body will always be set to 'male' no matter how hard you try to interrupt these set patterns.
>DNA is worthless and proteins are just for making hormones and tissuekek troon tunnel vision. All his (lack of) understanding of biology is just a means to an end. As if proteins don't have have any other functions.
>estrogen moobs and spinny skirts can override genetics!>external of the body is only an illusion created by the egoAll that effort waffling about biological "facts" when it's all just an illusion? Bit of the classic autistic 'theory of mind' going on here too, as if we don't (or shouldn't?) have a shared concept of biological reality.
>my body craves estrogenFirst of all, he's actively harming his body by fucking up his hormones. Secondly, he's assuming that all cravings mean your body NEEDS it. Which anyone who's ever had a craving for something bad for them understands.
No. 2197615
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>>2197585Your post reminded me of picrel. Somewhat related but I have an uncommon but recognizable nickname that I go by. It has started to gain traction with troons and I fucking hate it.
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>>2197430Stellar reviews too.
No. 2197693
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>>2197615Wow. AGPs read like parody accounts. Still obsessed with some little girl as an adult. Major psychopathic vibes, in addition to pedophilia. There was actually a subplot like this in Sankarea (man troons out and being still obsessed with a little girl - Rosalie - he knew as a child he creates zombies from little girls and calls them all 'Rosalie') - reality is creepier than fiction?
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Ladies, did you know that we are racist, homophobic Nazis? Also, is misgendering someone is violence, why is that man committing violence against jk rowling?
No. 2197764
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>>2197748kek it brings me joy to see nonnas discovering Erin Reed. He's engaged to another TiM and has a reddit tattoo.
No. 2197783
>>2197748No amount of rationality, facts, empathy or patience will prevent these manbabies from accusing every woman who disagrees with them of being nazi bigots and contorting everything into somehow being racist and homophobic, even when they are the ones who are guilty of those things. It's their modus operandi to keep screaming variations of "bigot!" in our faces to make us shut up. Calling women TERFs is fine apparently, so might as well just call a troon a troon.
I hope middle aged lefty terfs start openly using the slur more now, and watch "Erin" try to claim they're all 4chan nazis.
No. 2197898
>>2197748Wasn't troon coined by trans people on Something Awful and spread because it was a funny self-own?
Kek I love how JK no longer gives a shit. They were already calling her Satan when her only crime was a very centrist and empathetic essay that said she thought of trans women as women and only worried about cis men lying to abuse self-ID laws. No dissent is ever mild or polite enough for them, so may as well not even bother being nice.
No. 2197953
>>2197926Troon have a pattern for their names: either the choose the name of a female deity/religious figures like I can't count enough troons named after Selene/Luna/Diana/Artemis/Jezebel/Lilith/Freya or they choose the name of a girl that didn't put up with their bullshit to kinda take their place and then claim that that name was always special to them when it's really not. It's creepy as shit and they do that out of spite like a bratty child throwing a tantrum and stealing your toy. It always look so miserable because they cannot realize its their deviantart oc tier name that clocks them out, they never choose a normie woman name, they have to be speshul somehow yet this is part of troon culture. I don't have a name to describe this phenomenon but they don't want to pass as a woman but pass as a troon, if that makes sense, they don't want to blend in, they expect you to blend them mentally ill. Let's throw away for the moment the surgery/hormones talk and let's talk about their typical things:
>Exotic/goddess name, that sound marysueish>Shein clothing. It's not like they can't afford high end or actual brand clothes, they buy shein because it's their cosplay until the hype dies down. It's mostly edgy/e girl fashio>Skirts. Always skirts. Spinny!>They don't straighten their hair ever or even try to do hairstyles just for fun. It's the same oilt curls for everyone. >Makeup consists in thick eyeliner and deep purple to black lipstick. No other makeup. Eyeshadow is never applied properly with a brush>Weird, childlish moves and expression. It's like they want to recreate anime expressions irl. >Socks, thighs but never leggings or comfy clothes>Can't cook at all, take pride in being bad at it>Messed up rooms>No skincare. They use foundation to cover any blemishes without actually taking actionLook I'm not saying that women always do these things, in fact, quite the opposite. I've saw women of every habit and fashion, of every hairstyle, even bald women, women without makeup and women with makeup, women that can cook and women that cannot.
Women come in many flavours, shapes and sizes.
Troon only come in one, distinct set of habits which doesn't represent a woman and for a group of people that want to "pass" they sure do a shitty job at it, it's like they don't see and carefully take a look to who they're trying to skinwalk, it's like they go "Yeah but my vision of your kind is better" and become a weird subcategory of men that does them zero favours. I don't believe at all that they don't have a grain of self reflection in their brain so they must be aware somehow and still putting that act up. The troon that pretends to not to do makeup in makeup subreddits knows how to do it, he watched a shitton of videos, he just gets off at the idea of the attention because he knows he will stand out like a sore tumb. He knows he will attract attetion walking around dressed like a little girl. They know. They're disgusting creatures.
No. 2198153
>>2198106Real. Trannies seem to believe all girls and women live a middle class privileged life and get assmad about it wishing that was them, so I think if they got turned into female for real they'd get a nasty wake up call. In a way I'd like to see it.
The ones who were molested as kids would be like "oh nothing's changed?" as soon as they get targeted at work and kill themselves. And the ones who think it's hot to be degraded and treated as lesser would be like "oh this is for real and I can't actually get out of this?" And then transition to male. I think if mtfs spent one day as an actual girl or woman they'd become the biggest blackpillers because they'd have a frame of reference for how much better they were treated before they were female and comprehend they can't go back to someone who can go outside after the sun sets at 4pm in winter.
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my tinfoil is that the guys like this are different from the fetishists who are exhibitionists who want to expose themselves to you against your will and different from the fetishists who are into sissification and want to be publicly humiliated. they want to feel desired like everyone does, but they're so autistic and sexist that the only way they can imagine desire is the desire they feel for 20 year old hot girls in porn and anime. they don't think women are real people and can't imagine women having feelings like lust or love, so they can't bring themselves to work out or get a nice haircut to become desirable as men. they don't have the depth to imagine the love you feel when you're in a normal relationship, so they can't be happy with dating as a man. the only thing real to them is the boner they get for porn and cartoons, which leads to the goth girl, e girl, gamer girl larping, and the way they're always ugly nerd men who 'transition' into kinky alt girls instead of just being the female version of themselves, the way they would if it was actually just about their true gender and not a fetish.
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>Yes Timmy deserves to outplace a girl for free education.
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Never understood their argument that (cis) people are also partaking in gender-affirming care because they do plastic surgeries and the likes, as if normal people with beauty or grooming routine are trying their best to make sure nobody forget that they're in the gender they want to be as.
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>>2198244Reminded me of picrel
No. 2198355
>>2198294No, it still doesn't make sense. It's not "gender affirming care" the same way if I kneel down for yoga class I'm not suddenly praying to allah as a muslim. Things aren't religious or spiritual unless you actually believe in that religion or spiritual belief.
Elon Musk didn't have a hair transplant to make his magical male gender spirit align better with his non-male physical body by making it less bald = somehow more physically male (oh but also sex isn't real!!!1!). It's literally all just nonsense.
No. 2198381
>>2198291I love how men say that women are attention seeking when most men do shit like this and would die to be fucked or suck a cock. They want that.
Of course they want to be women, they don't want to be people, just to be desired, to have other MEN cry for them or lesbians so they can feel empowered. This was the thing that made me peak in 2017 and I can't believe people don't realized that because either I'm too intelligent or people are fucking stupid. As said here
>>2197953 , they know they are larping a weird ultra specific type of woman, notice they don't skinwalk unpopular girls or only hop on the last trend/aesthetic only for attention. I have yet to see a troon that isn't a total narc or shut in.
No. 2198435
>>2197445If a slice the top off a pear, paint it orange, and draw a bunch of dimples on it, does that make it an orange? After all, I modified its external structure so its DNA does not matter.
>oh but that's different species that's not the sameOk. If I cut a bull's dick off, does that make it a cow?
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>Long hair means you're a woman.
No. 2199191
>>2198282someone needs to tell trannies aging and insecurity over it isn't the same as gender dysphoria
reminds me of that one time when trannies jumped some "transphobic" old lady on twitter after she said she gets HRT for her menopause. "Oh so when YOU put synthetic hormones that aren't meant to be in your body (anymore) it's healthcare but when TRANS WIMMIN do it they're poisoning themselves?!" like it's some kind of le epic gotcha moment
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Good news for quack doctors and butcher surgeons.
https://archive.is/aYKss No. 2199516
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC11063965/April 2024 statistics showing that post-op trans people are associated with a higher risk of suicide. "Life saving surgery" my ass, it makes people wanna kill themselves after seeing their plastic surgery bill and mutilated body. I'd be suicidal too after realizing that therapy would be cheaper.
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My strong advice to all trans people is to consider to stfu.
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It's ironic how gender critical people are more sympathetic to detransitioners than libtards. But we're supposed to believe that libtards are so welcoming and accepting of identity compared to le ebil TERFS that must be burned at the state, aren't we? It's disheartening being peaked and seeing these people as the hateful souls they truly are. I wish I was still a handmaiden sometimes…
No. 2200001
>>2199546kek, this is the first time I see a troop acknowledging the fact that their demands change every three months or so. highly obnoxious how they act like it's the transphobes that are responsible for trannies constantly changing the narrative so they can remain eternal
victims and always have a reason to chimp out at normal people. remember when they insisted that trans* was the correct term until they realized how fucking stupid it is and they decided it was actually offensive and transphobic and made up by terfs all along?
No. 2200091
>>2199924>It's disheartening being peaked and seeing these people as the hateful souls they truly are.This is so true. People don't talk enough about how truly painful and depressing it is to realize all your trans and handmaiden friends are just so full of blind rage and hate for innocent people. Before I peaked trans used to just be another topic, then afterwards I suddenly realize EVERYTHING they do is laced with hate towards mostly girls and women,
victims of trans ideology and grieving parents trying to keep their child from being mutilated and sterile.
Their interesting art? It's showcasing mutilated girls and demonizing women who fight it.
Their funny jokes? They were really just deeply misogynistic and homophobic.
Their brilliant minds? All wrong and from the pseudoscience lies they pretended is "settled", but they never even read in the first place
Their hobbies? Centered around showing who is the most trans or the best trans-ally, knitting isn't just knitting it's knitting everything in transflag colors now
Their compassion and empathy? They never had it, you now see how they treat people they disagree even a tiny bit with.
It's so all-encompassing. I think there should be a word/phrase like "trans widow" but for people who lost their friend/friend group to trans ideology because it's frankly a bit traumatizing.
No. 2200226
>>2200091>>2200121One of the hardest parts is the realization that when your friends talk about how much "transphobes should get shot", "i'd punch a
terf if i ever saw one", "they should all just die"… they're now talking about YOU.
And it's so confusing and hurtful because what first made you peak or question trans ideology is typically something very reasonable. All you changed your mind about was that the science maybe isn't settled and that maybe only adults should transition for now until we know more. Or maybe you're a lesbian and you know you don't ever want to date someone with a dick even if it's a "girldick". Maybe you figured only transwomen who had the sex change surgery should get access to female spaces. And then your dear friends openly talk about how they want people dead for stating exactly those bigoted evil things. That they want YOU dead.
No. 2200761
>>2200226And that’s very sad, really, because a lot of so-called terfs are not really in power to change anything. It’s not like there was a policy vote on something like bathroom bills or whatever tims and tifs were crying about - usually it comes in a package with other bills, and, again, it’s not like we vote on it. Also, it’s not like we’re actively make their lives worse - in most cases, we’re just discussing them and their ideology on a small number of our websites. But nooooo, terfs should be punched, terfs are not women etc etc etc. it sounds very scary and, if anything, make tims sound more like men they truly are. What’s more manly than threatening to punch your opponents?
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>>2200937The police were in on it and actively prevented the fathers rescuing their children.
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>>2200935this makes me so angry. such an insult to the
victims holy shit. and all those "far right" left wing feminists in the UK that investigated this abuse must be fuming too.
of course picrel was put in the 'see also'
No. 2201016
>>2200761it always reminds me of when people were prosecuted by the church and burned at the stake for saying things that were deemed heretical. i understand how that happened now seeing troonism become such a huge cult thing
>>2200935wtf. i'm so tired of people always having to pretend every single race that isn't white must be just angels and that you aren't allowed to criticize them otherwise you're racist
No. 2201123
>>2201022They think that women looking uncomfortable when a 50-year-old man in stilettos totters past them into the women’s bathroom is like living under Jim Crow and mom saying “no Kayleigh I’m not going to call you ‘bucket’” is horrific child abuse that warrants CPS investigation. I’m at the point where I simply do not believe any trans-identified person when they claim they’ve been abused, which I know is wrong and irrational because I’ve seen the data from places from Tavistock, but I’m sorry they’ve just cried wolf too many times. If you think that someone recognising you for the sex you are is a hate crime then you have no idea what hate looks like.
>>2201116I’m starting to think the same thing. I was raised atheist/agnostic and fortunately never saw this kind of behaviour until I was in high school, so I wrote it off as teenagers being teenagers, but it seems that many people never grow out of it. When I first saw it it revolved around politics and I didn’t make the religious connection until much later.
No. 2201816
>>2201123>I’m at the point where I simply do not believe any trans-identified person when they claim they’ve been abused, which I know is wrong and irrational because I’ve seen the data from places from Tavistock, but I’m sorry they’ve just cried wolf too many times.People who are vulnerable are more likely to troon out, abuse being one of them. But the vast majority of trans people have never been abused. Both can be true at the same time!
In my experience the ones who loudly talk about being abused have more often than not been abused at all, they think their parents saying "no Michael getting a boner from wearing your sisters panties doesn't make you a girl, you're still a boy", "no Josephine, bug/bugself is not a real gender and we won't call you that" is them violently and verbally abusing them. The ones who have actually been abused often hide it from shame, and also because they know it means the evil terfs were kinda right that they trooned out because of abuse. So they'd rather pretend that wasn't the cause, but deep down they know.
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Stolen from the other farms, but one of the most accurate trans memes I've ever seen. The Boyfriends comic girl, Noelle Stevenson, every edgy TIF vent artist…
No. 2202902
>>2202746wow they're so painfully accurate lmao
it never stops to amuse he how hard troons pretend to be breaking out of boxes and stereotypes, only to all fit into very exact boxes with even more narrow stereotypes
No. 2202947
>>2202930I personally think it has to do with the soy boy theory stuff. Basically people believe that eating meat increases testosterone and not eating meat decreases it. The term soy boy came around when people started including soy like tofu as a meat replacement. It basically means you arent manly enough. Kek too bad they are retarded troons and dont know, real women eat meat. For some people it helps with their periods for the iron and stuff. Kek
Imagine being so retarded that you think not eating meat will make you a woman.
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>>2202940>ugly anime coomer yuri comics that are always sexual>ugly ironic reddit-humor comics that are always sexual>ugly comics obsessing over being a lesbian that are always sexualsomeone needs to help me out
No. 2203015
>>2202999ikr? this is absolutely
nothing by butch lesbian standards kek. I'm also not seeing this "strong german jaw" that she uses as explanation, she looks great. i pray she gets off reddit and ignores the gender-obsessed lesbophobes.
No. 2203863
>>2193146I don't see how it relate to trooning out.
The Japanese long knew it is just a fantasy for them.
"義体", the "prosthetic" body or body these otaku men want to inhabit as opposed to "実体", real body (I didn't read the book but it's something like 義姉 though read as nee-san it usually means older girl cousin, stepsister or adoptive/adopted sister as opposed to 実姉 which means real sister. Sorry for sounding like the average 4chan sisfag)
Trannies are attempting to change or modify their real bodies.
No. 2204032
>>2203867Wokebros get mad and start aggressively arguing with you when you insult male troons, because as men they want to protect other men. But if you start by insulting the most ridiculous tifs they stay silent and don't engage, and often they agree because they actually love getting to look down on a group of women. You just gotta play their narrow little minds and point out that the enby tifs wearing floral dresses and calling themselves "real heckin bug/bugself men uwu" actually make the "real" trans women who suffer from dysphoria look bad. You get away with saying gc things, you can often get them to agree with you and at the same time they think you're kinda on the bigot side so they still prefer to avoid you.
To this day I've never seen a wokebro defend a female troon, they always just defend their own male troon friend. They'll defend female troons collectively only because the group contains men, and they don't give a shit about the women arguing against it because they're women.
No. 2204071
>>2204032this has 100% been my experience every time. a male friend of mine doesn't see eye to eye with me on gender ideology, which isn't a huge deal most of the time, but he will try to "correct" me when I use he/him pronouns on a TIM like Hunter, Contra or Keffels and talk about how they have gender dysphoria (but is completely ignorant when you press any further, of course) but will straight up laugh at TIFs and refer to them as women/girls because he thinks they're unserious. for example, he still calls Ellen Page "Ellen" and finds it tragic that she transitioned. even when I bring up that I thought he cared about
gender dysphoria he will dismiss it as "yeah, he/she whatever".
I see it all the time whenever a TIF is in the news or spotlight (which is rare). men will call them "she" and there will be very little push back, at least in comparison to when it's the other way around.
It's almost as if sexism is based on a person's sex, not gender…
No. 2204248
>>2203151This is the exact experience that peaked me like a decade ago.
>Ugh that new brolita is so weird, I hate how he insists on getting changed in full view of everyone at every meet, I think he’s getting off on flashing us just like “Kimiko-chan”>Yeah “Kimiko-chan” was the worst, remember how he kept trying to get underage comm members to have sleepovers at his house or the time he flashed his ballsack at a picnic? I was so glad when the mods finally banned him>Umm? Actually?? It turns out that Kimiko-chan is trans and goes by she/her now UwU>Omg really wow good for HER, living HER best life! So brave!! I guess all of HER quirky behaviour makes perfect sense in that context!!! I hope SHE’s okay now!!!! I quit the comm when they started proactively transing, and thereby excusing, every creep who showed up even when the creeps in question never pretended to be anything but men and had never even heard of gender identity before. There were middle aged and older men in our Facebook group who went by names like Robert and were openly part of sissy fetish groups who we weren’t allowed to call “he”, much less make fun of, because a bunch of handmaidens had decided they were closeted trans women and therefore above reproach. The guy who stripped down to his nasty stained underwear in the middle of public parks to change into and out of his coords got away with it because he managed to convince a bunch of handmaidens that he would get stabbed if he got changed anywhere else. I don’t understand how anyone can be involved with the Western lolita community for more than five minutes without peaking. I really don’t.
No. 2204307
>>2204276Some of them do see it but it’s very difficult for them to talk about it without being shut down and ostracised from their community. From time to time you get posts from TIFs wondering what is up with the TIM-centric nature of trans subs or complaining about TIM misogyny but they are immediately shouted down and removed if possible. Even TIF-centric groups are not safe to discuss it in because they’re full of handmaidens and often modded by
male overseers TIMs. The only spaces willing to hear TIFs out when they want to complain about TIMs are gender critical spaces, which TIFs have been conditioned not to interact with. I’ve seen TIFs delete their own insightful posts on subjects like TME/TMA because they realised they were getting interaction from gc accounts. It really is a cult, and giving outsiders an angle to criticise the cult on is seen as worse than actual abuse from group insiders, especially priest class insiders like TIMs.
No. 2204323
>>2204032>>2204071If you wanna peak people: make fun of troons of the other sex to them.
Woke men will happily dismiss and make fun of tifs because they know they're women.
And woke women will happily dismiss gross sexist AGP troons. You just have to make them think these people are transtrenders or faketrans AGP fetishists. Making them believe in trutrans is the first step towards peaking because it means faketrans is also real and can be identified.
No. 2204329
>>2204248I urge nonas who are in this position to start your own groups in which males aren't allowed.
Or you could allow males in theory, but just have strict rules that result in an immediate ban. For example for a lolita group if a person is following or interacting with any type of sissy or age-play content on any of their accounts on any platform they're banned with no questions asked. If a person flashes people, or sends sexual messages, or invites underage members to meet them outside of an "offical" meetup they're banned. These rules are for everyone, but we all know 99.9% of it is targeting males actions without you having to actually write that it's for males kek
No. 2204393
>>2204248This happened in my comm too. It just killed me to hear supposedly feminist friends of mine making excuse after excuse for men who were openly proclaiming and acting out their sissy fetish at meetups, creeping on comm members, and threatening people they didn't like. It was like the trans label just gave them a free pass and almost everyone bent over backward to enable them.
The thing that really fucked me up and got me to stop going to meetups though was all the tifs/enbies proudly talking about getting their breasts and ovaries removed. I just can't deal with that shit, as I've suffered with body dysmorphia for a long time and even attempted to correct it with surgery, I know how awful it is to go down that path. But they treat it like it's nothing, talking about their bodies as if they're customizable video game characters where they can swap out parts they don't like. I feel nauseated every time that sort of conversation happens, and it's way too frequent, so now I avoid the whole group. Even though it's mostly newer members that are like that, everyone else is so disturbingly supportive of it. I feel like everyone got brainworms at some point.
No. 2204611
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saw this on ovarit and lolled.
No. 2205177
>>2204416>I never know how to respond when a TIF proudly shows me her mastectomy picturesDepending on the tif I would react in two different ways:
For the ones that are clearly attention seeking (like the green haired goblin-pronoun enby type) I would simply take a quick glance, act fully uninterested and just go "Oh cool. Btw did you hear Becky said this other thing…" and change topic so they don't really get any reaction and instead get dismissed. If they press you on it saying "hang on, do you like my scars?" you stay as neutral and uninterested as possible, always changing the focus away from them onto someone else: "huh, scars are whatever to me. My uncle has one from an elbow surgery, and he's got this cool boat, his actually a fisherman-"
They want your reaction (good or bad) as they thrive on any attention. So you don't give it to them.
But for the slightly more normie type I would just react negatively, like physically cringe in horror and say a little "ugh" and then quickly go "oh sorry, I'm super squeamish I can't handle scars or body horror at all, sorry!". These people need to see the physical reaction of fear and horror these surgeries actually bring out in normal people. They're living in a bubble where they think to fix a female body you need to literally mutilate it and cut female parts off, that is extremely horrifying. After the initial reaction you should act and look concerned, like you pity them for having had such a tragic thing happen to them. You do not say it, you just convey it with body language. This all should come naturally, I'm really just describing exactly how people normally react when seeing trans surgery scars.
From having heard detrans people (who were fully onboard the trans-train but later peaked) we know these reactions get to them. They remember them, the concerned look on their pro-trans sisters face when seeing the scars for the first time. The way their supportive mother turned away in shock. They knew something was wrong.
No. 2205255
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I see so much nonsense like picrel in TIF-heavy spaces. Spells to make everyone call them 'he', spells to make them feel comfortable with their own trans identity like picrel, affirmations that they ARE the gender they identify as, subliminals to make them look like men, endless rants about TERFs needing to fuck off and get run over by a million trains, it's all so incredibly telling. Nobody needs a spell to feel like something they already are.
It's almost like they're waking up to the bullshit, but they burnt so many bridges that the troon cult is the only space they have any friends left.
>>2204416Let her see the brief moment of horror and disgust, say something awkward like 'haha, yeah!' and scuttle off whenever she tries to talk to you. It's a horrific thing to do to yourself. There's no need to pretend otherwise. TIFs lack any sense of personality outside of their echo chamber, seeing a friend react in a way that doesn't follow the script might be enough to kick their minuscule little brains into action.
>>2204611Kek this is hilarious, we should do that.
>>2204686Absolutely! We should also have a site outside of lolcow where we can work together to dox them and support the women and girls being targeted if they need help going to the police or taking legal action. Nobody else is going to help, every government loathes women with the rage of a thousand honboners, we might as well use our collective autism productively.
No. 2205360
>>2205352Stop using reddit spacing.
>Does anyone else hide their beliefs or are you completely open with it? Did you find women IRL that agree with you?I'm open with it irl, because people around me are normies who I end up peaking just by stating some facts about trans people. Online I have to pretend to not be a
terf though or they'd never talk to me again
No. 2205371
>>2205352I don't want to come across as a bitch but you don't need to put your whole life and opinions out there for others to judge. Stay quiet about peaking, don't push troon crap onto others, be the voice of reason when you can, keep yourself safe. Trannies goon at the idea of destroying a woman's life, so yeah, it's totally likely that if one of them catches wind of you thinking girlcock isn't a lesbian's wet dream, they'll dox you on 4chan for brownie points.
The most uwu accepting cities still have terfs. It's widely accepted that interacting with trannies, especially TIMs, is the best way to peak. There's a lot of lip service, but not a lot of actual diehard pro-troon delusion.
No. 2205384
>>2205371I agree, I think it's best to keep it to myself. I swear 50% of the people in my suburb are troons, which wasn't the case when I moved here years ago. "PUNCH A
TERF/SWERF" stickers appearing at all my local bars. It was actually being practically the only """cis""" person in a friendship group that got me peaking. Surprisingly some people have opened up to about about some slightly gender critical ideas to me since I became really outspoken about other topics like prostitution and porn… that's about as far as protecting women is acceptable to the rest because if you dare to say TIM's shouldn't be in a women's bathroom you're the town megabitch and you've got 0 friends and a call out post I've seen it happen more than a few times in my area
No. 2205394
>>2205352I'm crypto in the sense that I don't advertise my stance but I also don't ever pretend to believe in transgenderism. When I'm forced to be around TRAs I just pretend to be clueless about everything until they get frustrated with me and give up. I usually get away with it because I give off palpable dumb autist energy and either the handmaidens themselves feel bad for me or they realise that bullying the wide-eyed weird girl is a bad look. Fortunately I have never had to consistently interact with a TRA over a longer period of time. I don't know what I'd do if I had to work with one, for example.
With normies I'm more openly gender critical but without ever mentioning transgenderism explicitly. The vast majority of people will agree with me when I say that lesbians shouldn't be pressured into dating males or that kids shouldn't be limited in what toys they like based on their sex, and they never even realise they're committing thought crimes because they're not aware of current trans ideology dogma. As long as I don't use the T word I'm good. And if a stealth TRA tries to argue against me like "um actually lesbians SHOULD be pressured into sucking dick if it's girldick" they end up looking like a giant jackass. I just hope I'm planting some seeds to help people peak when they eventually encounter their first hulking AGP or nonbinary-who's-not-a-woman-because-she's-a-person.
No. 2205395
>>2205360>I end up peaking just by stating some facts about trans peoplewhat do you say?
>>2205382except she wasn't separating paragraphs she was separating every single sentence or two aka reddit spacing. notice how other nonas itt don't get told to stop when they type with actual paragraphs.
No. 2205491
I wish there was a guide to be being crypto and subtly shutting down troons / whiny gendies in fandom. One good way is to not use their euphemisms. It makes TIFs super uncomfortable to call a ""top surgery"" a double mastectomy
>>2204416I've had TIFs show off gross mastectomy scars for no reason in front of me before, why are they all like this? I know one in college who would randomly talk about shooting up Testosterone too. It's best to look disgusted but not give them any sort of positive or negative attention and move on.
No. 2206029
>>2205976Unlike other anon I'm hoping that gender ideology will open the doors to the general internet population, which will trickle out to normies, for actual gender critical views. I think that the reason troondom is so trendy is
because we are already living in that extremely sexist phase in history right now. Like how insane the early 2000's were. I genuinely do think after like a decade or so there will be a lot of "JKR was right" posts that circulate and I think people will have this newfound understand of "gender". I think the anti-gender ideology crowd is but the next step of gender ideology, and I think it is a more objective and understanding form of gender ideology. I feel like culturally we are at a stand-still with psychology and etc., though. Things get held back by the fact that people make good money off of trannies. They're pretty integral to capitalism in a way, currently. It's a strange and perverse empire with a lot of stakes in a lot of markets so it won't be coming down crashing all together, but slowly.
Sorry for schizorambling. But yes I am very excited to see the gender ideology cult videos to come out. This shit is basically a religion. I wonder if California will be the tranny state like Utah is the Mormon state in the future.
No. 2206036
>>2205976Absolutely! I'm Swedish so my country has been making GC documentaries for years already, warning about puberty blockers (which they then made illegal) and highlighted different detrans people and their struggles. None of it has been conservative, misogynistic or homophobic at all so at least for my own country I have a lot of hope.
There are still a lot of woke ameriboo people within media specifically who advocate for "trans rights", which is a shame but I really think the more people learn the worse it gets for trans ideology here. Even the men at my normie job have started talking shit about trans ideology on their own which is impressive to me, usually men are the last to give a shit.
No. 2206049
>>2205976Not only the documentaries, but the ways in which fictional media will use trans as a boogeyman in the future is going to be so much fun. They're going to be the evil pedophile villains doing inhumane experiments on innocent children and mentally ill people. A thriller movie about an
abusive husband skinwalking his wife as he tries to replace her and people around her is enabling him and calling her a bigot much to the frustration of the audience watching, until he finally tries to kill her to wear her skin. There will be amazing horror movies written about cults where they cut up children's bodies, or stunt their puberty to keep them childlike forever to "save" them. Even when they they don't explicitly say "the villain is trans" everyone is going to instantly know what it's based on, just like how we all know when the villain is based on nazis. The second the "can't be touched" status goes away from trans, media will thrive on this horror show.
No. 2206159
>>2206029I think that once the economy becomes a bit more stable, and we can afford to live normal lives again, trooning will fall drastically in popularity. At its core it's escapism. When you can afford to buy a property, or escape to exotic locations without borrowing money, there's less reason to spend so much time online obsessing over gender. I think you're spot on about a lot of stakes being tied to troons, especially in the medical industry, they won't want their cash cows to leave. I don't think we'll have a tranny state or tranny country but the troons who still try to pass will be seen as weird schizos.
>>2206049In terms of factual media I think a lot of it will focus on the causes of trooning, trying to find answers to why so many girls who suffered SA decided to become boys and why so many men who suffered from AGP boners decided to become anime avatars. I think they'll become less sympathetic to troons as time goes on, to the point where they sound like the stuff you wrote and everyone gets correctly gendered because it's not illegal to call a man a he any more.
I kek'd at your post, I could totally see all of these happening. We're going to enter a new era of body horror movies, I can feel it.
No. 2206219
>>2205737Absolutely. What goes up must always come down. I don't know if you're an American, but it was very trendy during 2020 for white people to publicly prostrate their white guilt by reading books and attending lectures about white privilege by authors like Robin DiAngelo and Ibraham X Kendi, and now people in woke circles are allowed to criticize them as overly-educated grifters who maybe hurt the cause of antiracism more than helping it. It will gradually become more acceptable to be openly critical of trans propaganda in liberal circles, especially as the number of detransitioners grows.
20 years ago, hardly anybody knew a trans person (in part because doctors didn't just hand out HRT and surgeries like Halloween candy), but now if you hang out at anime conventions, electronic music concerts, or art school chances are you know at least 10 trannies. And we all know that the best way to peak someone is to let trannies speak. Eventually it will reach a point where everyone who has a bunch of troon friends knows 1 or 2 who detransitioned, especially since it's impossible to ignore the harm that hormones and puberty blockers do to bodies.
>>2205976I love documentaries about cults (fundamentalist Mormonism, Scientology, etc.) and I am extremely looking forward to this.
No. 2206269
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>>2205352Congrats on peaking however see picrel.
I agree with
>>2205371 anon, especially as I come from a VERY liberal city myself. It can often feel pretty isolating when your views aren't shared with your peers, but it's best to just leave things be for the most part.
The way I kinda deal with it is:
If I'm talking to handmaidens, and they bring up trans issues, I'll mostly just nod along and wave it away, or change the subject. Though, I've had some very nice discussions with friends willing to listen about the reality of gender ideology. I'll often find they didn't realise they'd agree with me to some extent, and they've either harboured these feelings themselves or they realise (speaking to me) that they're in a bit of denial. The key when I speak to people about this stuff is that I'm patient, compassionate, and understanding of any feelings that come up for them. I think with things so deeply ingrained in our culture, the best way to challenge viewpoints is giving others the space to deconstruct them in front of you. When I chat to gendies about this stuff (though this is rare) I will simply ask questions, and I mean a lot of questions. I'll act as if it's out of curiosity, when really I'm just deconstructing their viewpoints. I don't intend to completely change someone's mind after a single conversation, rather I think having these conversations implants seeds in a person's mind that might grow into something else.
All that being said, having the sorts of conversations I mentioned above takes considerable care, time and energy, and if you're not willing to put that in it's just best to keep your mouth shut because it's just not worth it. You could lose friends, peers, and as you know, it's social suicide. Best to cope by posting on here, or I dabble in radblr every so often for a bit of catharsis.
No. 2206558
>>2206269>the best way to challenge viewpoints is giving others the space to deconstruct them in front of you.Yes, give them clues and let them explore the thoughts! Instead of saying "it's retarded that you think a boy playing with dolls means he's actually a girl" you can instead ask "I really disliked dolls but liked trucks as a girl, and that doesn't mean I'm trans since I'm happily cis now right? But then why do people say if their little boy plays with doll he must simply be a girl? Isn't that a bit stereotypical to say all girls like dolls…? What do you think?"
>When I chat to gendies about this stuff (though this is rare) I will simply ask questions, and I mean a lot of questions. I'll act as if it's out of curiosity, when really I'm just deconstructing their viewpoints.Stacy move. If you don't live in a super woke area, peak all the normies who don't know about troons yet. They're the absolute easiest to peak, and it's better to arm them with facts and science before the troons show up so they'll be able to spot their lies. Tell women about AGP. Tell men about dick inversion surgery and that they could lose their job for saying no to fucking another man just because he calls himself "she".
No. 2206770
>>2205976I'm prepared for that, I can imagine all the videos they will pull from tiktok or from pride parades but I'm afraid I'll see an endless wave of suicides and people flocking to therapists to the point it will be needed to add a separate category of therapists. This isn't something like being emo where you stop and make fun when you're older, this isn't being like an anachan where you can recover with little to no permanent side effect, this is actively castrating, altering your appearance forever, giving yourself health problems, blood clots etc for nothing and the laws are deleting women's spaces. It will be a giant, enormous shitshow and while I wish for everyone to peak, the stress that will come after that for everyone will be immense. Fuck moids as if I don't care about their rot pockets but if I can imagine a woman being in her 40s/50s, detransing and getting ready in the morning and looking at her mutilation scars/plucking her beard while crying, it's still too much. She cannot go to the beach because people will know what she did, kids will ask "Auntie what are those??" at parties, she will have to fake their voice higher sounding like a faggot…I weep for them in advance
No. 2206788
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>>2206650most of the comments are based and calling him a pervert kek
No. 2206983
late response but
>>2201116>>2201123Not religious but I attended a Catholic school for the majority of my upbringing. I'm often reminded of a quote by bishop Fulton Sheen,
>If you do not worship God, you worship something, and nine times out of ten it will be yourself. You have a duty to worship God, not because He will be imperfect and unhappy if you do not, but because you will be imperfect and unhappy.In the west our society is becoming progressively more and more irreligious, but the desires and emotions that lead many to religion in the first place remain. Pursuing things like consoomerism and gendershit at the scale they currently are I believe is just the natural fallout for many who decenter religion from their lives. They still desire some higher purpose, community, and sense of self but seek it out in these movements instead. Not everyone needs these guideposts, but for those who do it's easy to end up in the gendercult and have it be just as damaging if not more so than what they run from.
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>>2206788I think it's because the company is based in Japan, is small and nobody tried to bring it under the boot yet.
No. 2207120
>>2206049I mean, ultra-woke Netflix just made the movie adaptation of Uglies really transphobic by accident - the book is about a dystopian society where teenagers are forced to get plastic surgery to become “pretty” when they turn 16. By casting Laverne Cox as the character in charge of forcing kids to get surgery, the movie serves as a great metaphor for the current horrors of transgenderism. I’m not sure if there’s a secret
TERF at Netflix who made that casting decision, or if Netflix producers are so deep in the koolaid that they just genuinely didn’t consider the broader optics of casting Cox in that role. You can try as hard as you like to pretend that he’s “an actress like any other woman” but at the end of the day it’s impossible not to notice that Netflix cast a surgically modified man to play a villain in a story where the key takeaway is “love your body as it is naturally without surgery.” I predict that in another 5-10 years it’ll be socially acceptable in academia to write papers about trangenderism in film portrayals with the perspective that transgenderism is bad and harmful to people’s mental and physical health, rather than the current notion that queering everything is good and liberatory. Maybe it’ll happen more as the current generation of girls who transitioned as teenagers detransition in their 20s, and they pursue higher education in the humanities and social sciences and they want to incorporate their own experiences into their thesis papers.
No. 2207160
>>2207147The 41% statistic came from a study that just asked if the person has ever
thought of killing themselves. Not whether they go through with it or not. All it indicates is that this population is mentally ill at a higher rate than average.
One great point I have seen is that if access to trans healthcare and general acceptance correlated with a reduction of suicides, then that should be reflected in suicide statistics. The increase of people identifying as trans is because they feel safe to do so now, right? So there should be a comparable decrease in suicide rates to reflect that now, except there isn’t. Almost like these people won’t kill themselves and are just hopping on the newest trend.
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I just saw The Substance by Coralie Fargeat which is an awesome horror piece about female sexualization and fear of aging. Many of my tranny friends (tims and tifs) have been giving it horrible reviews talking about how it is “male gazy” or stupid or meaningless. I fear that the way this movie portrays female body dysmorphia and anger towards sexualization and the constant reinvention of things to make us look younger and prettier activates their cognitive dissonance because it shits on their stupid tumblr and reddit fantasies of dysphoria and sex and body horror. (see picrel) this one is going to be a TERF classic and should be a lolcow movie night screening fs.
No. 2207235
>>2206983I've been thinking about this a lot, while I agree with
>>2207011 I also think the loss of purpose that came with the isolation of not only covid but internet in general. We are more distant and disconnected from each other than ever, and this inability to connect with others or organically creating a community has caused people to desperately search for a purpose. Everyone wants to be "good", but only being a regular "good" person doesn't really bring you much, but forcing your "goodness" on others will give you the immediate feedback these empty husks of people crave. Trooning out is just the next step of craving that sort of validation, but instead of martyring themselves through whipping they cut off their breasts and pop hormone pills.
No. 2207358
>>2207333Again. The 41% was about reported suicide attempts (
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Trans-GNC-Suicide-Attempts-Jan-2014.pdf) there was also a survey that asked "trans youth" if they "seriously considered suicide in the last 12 months" which is more recent and also had a reported 41% (
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/41-of-surveyed-lgbtq-youth-considered-suicide-in-the-past-year), but the initial 41% number was about suicide attempts and can safely be considered bullshit.
No. 2207362
>>2207270nta you cannot save people from the trans cult, they can only leave if they choose to question it themselves. You can try to plant a seed and wait but that's it.
Step 1 is to peak people who don't "need" to be peaked, like normies, elderly family members or people who aren't terminally online. You need to protect them before the cult gets to them, or one day out of the blue they'll come home talking about how their friends son is now a beautiful daughter named Luna and they just learned how oppressed trans people are. Don't just tell them you think trans people suck, tell them about their actual cult tactics and how they'll lie to make people believe in them. They need to be able to spot it when they see it for real.
Step 2 is to support people who CAN make a change. Following individuals is fine, but if you wanna put in money do it in an organization like genspect, or LGB alliance. They actively WORK on changing things and don't just screech online. Maybe you as an individual can't change much, they they can - and you can support them.
Step 3 support detrans people. They were in the cult and got out, often permanently damaged mentally and physically. You need to have actual compassion for them and understand they were conned and abused by trans ideologists. By showing them support people who are still in the cult will be able to see there is a better alternative to the trans cult, and that people will accept them leaving it and there is real help to be had.
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>>2207365>chillno. (On a more serious note: I think we should talk more about how nonsensical this is. Everyone memes about the 41% but it's rarely ever mentioned that this claim can be debunked by just looking up how many suicides there are and how many suicide attempts are successful. It shows how dishonest the trans community as a whole is and that studies around trans people can't be trusted without even getting in to gender politics.)
No. 2207439
>>2207270Don't put trannies in anything you create, whether it's art or shitposts. Offer solutions to struggling women and girls that are actually helpful instead of telling them to get a double mastectomy to solve all of their woes. Sign petitions against gendie laws. Peak normies by reacting normally to news stories of crossdressing men murdering and raping women and getting put in women's prisons. Point out how sexist and racist the most common tranny talking points are. Call and email your local representative to let them know your views on gender bullshit, it really helps to explain why it would financially benefit your area if everyone went back to being sane. It might damage the reputation of the city/town/whatever if the governor was known to support putting men in women's prisons, because it sent the message that the area was unsafe to visit and the police were incompetent or powerless. It sounds trite but they will listen. They're also much more likely to listen if you explain that you feel forced to vote for another candidate if the current one remains blind to the needs of the city/town/state. Be straightforward and very calm, that always scares them. Join your local groups, whether it's a PTA if you have kids or a local community watch, and promote literally fucking anything that has nothing to do with gender. Push for funding for things like fixing potholes, which everyone will agree is as much of a pressing issue as sterilizing children. If most of the group members are gendered retards themselves, point out that the newly mangled will have gender-affirming complications if they bounce their way home over swiss cheese roads, so fixing potholes is beneficial to the brave and stunnings.
Speaking from personal experience troons tend to shut up when they're in a position where they have to speak to anyone with a real job and who seems vaguely competent. If you can use your functioning brain for the good of the group, you can shut out the troon nonsense and draw attention to issues that actually matter. Don't just focus on women's safety, as depressing as that sounds. Cleaning up litter from local parks. Finding free local places for kids to visit on day trips. Putting together a list of allergy friendly restaurants in the area. Suggesting fundraising events for a local animal shelter or hospice. All of that helps your local area as well as doing a whole fucking lot to peak everyone who isn't neck deep in the cult. It's amazing how quickly a TRA can peak from listening to a tranny whinge about collecting money for a charity that doesn't personally benefit them, speaking from experience. I literally saw a diehard TRA peak during a TIF's rant about raising money for a local hospice where the TRA's elderly relative had been cared for during their final years, because trans people were being genocided. Remember, these are the people who constantly post tranny propaganda all over the internet, who sign every troon petition they find, who mindlessly donate their entire life savings to a man who really needs to go on a Carribean cruise for his gender dysphoria. If they peak, they stop doing all that. There are less voices screeching into the echo chamber, less signatures on the 'legalize pedophilia' petitions. All of that matters.
No. 2207486
>>2206558ayrt and I totally agree.
Peaking normies on how troons really are is easy enough, but it's harder to come at it from a radfem perspective. I mostly talk to/hang out with women, so this usually just means talking to them about womanhood and how varied it is, and that gender ideology ultimately harms gender non-conformity and expression. Coming at it from a progressive angle it's more likely that women will listen to you, and I've found individualising it also helps (even though that pisses me off, given it's a collective issue.)
The one thing I'll add as well, is that the tactics I mentioned above are pretty much what I learnt from watching videos and reading account of people who deconstruct their faith and leave the church. The common thread I hear is that the more they actually looked into what they believed, the more questions they had, and the more holes it poked in them. I've peaked many people this way, which also gives me a bit of satisfaction to know I'm on the "right side" here. People often say that those who end up leaving the church are the ones who've read the bible the most.
No. 2207681
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>I learned what it was like to live under a gov. that wants me dead
I have never heard any TRAs being killed there and there in Florida, but I hope she's not meaning the shootings of Pulse and Colorado Springs nightclubs, where people were killed for being gay.
No. 2207770
>>2207681They’re not taking about actual murders. The logic goes
>if I don’t get what I want (free hormones, surgery, validation) I’ll kill myself>so if the government isn’t giving me what I want, it wants me to kill myselfThey may claim that “increased transphobia” leads to innocent trans people being murdered on the street and some of the exceptionally gullible ones might even believe this, but 1) that isn’t happening and 2) transgenderism is more accepted now than ever before in history, so if trans people ever did get randomly lynched by transphobic mobs it would have been worse before, not at an “all time high” now. You can tell they’re absolutely desperate for real deaths because they’ll claim deaths of trans-identified people that had nothing to with genderism. A while ago a TIM murdered his TIF girlfriend and then killed himself and both of those deaths are being counted as
victims of the trans genocide. If an unhinged drug addicted TIM threatens to kill people and waves a weapon around until he gets taken out by police, they’ll count this as trans genocide. That’s how desperate they are for actual deaths.
They were absolutely ecstatic about that TIF who got into a fight in a bathroom and died afterwards because it fit the “trans people being murdered in bathrooms” narrative, but when the facts came out about her being a CSA
victim of her pedo father who’d just gotten out of jail they suddenly went very quiet. If they a really cared about girls like her they’d be raising awareness about the high rates of CSA suffered by girls who grow up to identify as trans, but they don’t. They want deaths that suit their narrative and allow them to manipulate people, not deaths that raise uncomfortable questions.
No. 2207883
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What troons and TRAs don’t understand.
No. 2207892
>>2207770Trans people kill others , including trans people, more than they get killed kek.
The ones who are getting killed are the black prostitutes, but they never give any word to them despite that. White TIMs live life on easy mode.
An incel scrote can troon out and he’ll improve his life because he’ll become the token
victim and he’ll access women spaces too, he’ll ebeg and get tons of money, he can write porn and rape kinks on social media without anyone batting an eye.
No. 2207901
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Why do they still keep pretending this isn't happening. This tweet has 89k likes btw.
No. 2207937
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My own cousin has fallen to gender ideology and I feel honestly pretty shitty about it. She identifies as "nonbinary" and is trying to get on testosterone.
She clearly has autism and was bullied in school for it, so that probably pushed her into trying to identify out of femaleness. (as well as some internal misogyny) She still dresses very feminine. Dresses, makeup, corsets, etc. I guess its cooler to look female but call yourself a boy?
She also dates the ugliest moid I have ever seen and they of course call their relationship "queer", even though they are a regular straight couple. She even managed to get on the local newspaper a few times talking about how hard it is for her and her "queer" relationship to exist in this society.
I really hope she can overcome her trauma and come to embrace her femaleness and grow out of the gender cult, especially before she ruins her body with hormones.
I don't think there's much I can do unless I want to out myself as an EVIL TERF.
No. 2208213
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>>2208182this is an old article (2022) and specific to UK statistics but gives an idea. the data they looked at showed:
>9 TIMs murdered, half involving prostitution>12 TIMs convicted for murder>1800 women killed by men, during the same time period https://unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/ No. 2208246
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>>2207785And then you have an only-woman shelter saying only women are allowed because most of them are scared/traumatized by moids. A "sane" tim would say "ok, better seek for help in a LGBTQRASDF+ shelter". But no, they whine and claim that only-woman shelter is a hidden shelter for terfs, so they destroy it.
They know they have privilege even if they dress as women. I know TRAs will claim "he/she/they don't belong in our collective", but no one do nothing to stop/ostracism that asshole.
No. 2208814
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>>2207439>Call and email your local representative to let them know your views on gender bullshitNonas please email (email leaves readable proof, so I prefer it to calling) any and all facilities in your town that has single sex changing rooms! I emailed the local pool asking if troons were allowed in the female changing rooms. I explained that it was super important to know if male bodies could be in there because we would potentially be bringing kids who were
victims of SA and seeing a naked male might
trigger them to have panic attacks (which was true). I was as polite, neutral and normie sounding as possible in my email.
I was pleasantly surprised to quickly get an email back from staff saying they don't allow any males in the female changing rooms, and they even specified even if they male had surgery he wouldn't be allowed in there. I hadn't even asked about surgery so I was thrilled to hear them add that by themselves!
If the pool/facility is run by normies this forces them to realize males trying to go into their female changing rooms is a possibility they should be cautious about. If it's a troon-friendly place you know for sure that there are currently active troons going there (as otherwise they'd still be normies), so you'll know to avoid it. And you get to politely inform them that it means you can't go to their facility directly because of this reason, so they lose out on paying visitors. In my case it would leave readable proof that they choose to cater to males over female child
victims.
No. 2208816
>>2208213and no single killing done by a
terf…
No. 2209408
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>see /r/femcelgrippysockjail
>"oh they have some based memes on the front page, maybe I should check it ou—"
>picrel
I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies I hate trannies
No. 2209414
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Okay, this is gonna make some of you confused, but I don't think trannies have the sound mind to truly consent to sex. If a person's brain is so dysfunctional that they cannot differentiate the difference between men and women, and are so detached from reality (AKA psychotic) that they are convinced that they are something they're not in terms of what's between their legs…I think that's grounds to say that they have as much "consent" as a person that's mentally retarded enough to think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. I don't think they should be having sex, MUCH LESS being allowed to have children.
No. 2209418
>>2209408that sub is not only overrun by the most disgusting trannies with TIM mods, but also just men in general (can't find it now but there was a survey which showed the people on that sub mostly identified as 'cis men' kek) literally just incels with porn addiction, who get off on larping as mentally ill "girls".
remember, anything that is aimed at women on reddit can and will become a fetish sub for men.
No. 2209443
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Nonas, I’ve never had a pedicure before! Does this mean I am a MAN???????
No. 2209446
>>2207901Only for children? Goddamn, that's bleak. I thought the only based thing about conservatives was being against trannies and they can't even do that right, he should be proposing to ban ALL "gender affirming" bs and make hrt for menopausal women available to no scrotes at all, not just underage ones.
Also, did anyone see this?
>Teenage trans activists release 6,000 crickets on transphobic LGB Alliance conference>LONDON, 11 October 2024, 3:50 PM—6 young trans activists infiltrated the LGB Alliance’s annual conference at the Queen Elizabeth II Conference Hall in Westminster, some of whom fled quickly after while others were held by security for a period before being let go. They did so with intentions of ending the conference early, which they describe as a horrendous breeding ground for fervent and violent transphobia.>The group released approximately 6,000 crickets from bags hidden on their persons which they snuck through security just before a talk on the “dangers” of medical transition. They made sure to spread the crickets (which do not infest and pose no danger to humans) across the entire hall, in order to ensure the conference could be safely brought to an end. The speech was postponed and later speeches were cancelled. They filmed some of the earlier speeches using hidden cameras in order to “expose the fact that this group really has no interest whatsoever in promoting the rights of cis LGB people, and exists entirely to hurt the trans community as much as they possibly can”. Speakers at the anti-trans event told the audience to “Squash them, kill them, kill the buggers!”But "they just want to pee!", right? Except now a gay rights conference that includes a topic on the dangers of puberty blockers is "breeding ground for fervent and violent transphobia"?
No. 2209511
>>2209492>aging frees womennot to get too ot but this has really been my experience already in my 30s. realising life is too short to perform femininity, especially not for the benefit of men. plus, the less attention you receive from them the better overall. i look forward to ageing so much more now.
all the TIMs in my town are 50+ for some reason, and they all dress in fishnets and heels. It's predominantly horrifying but can also be pretty funny. they peak every one they trot past and you can see how dead they are inside, nothing to live for except their fetish.
No. 2209923
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>click on some youtube video essay and immediately tab away
>two minutes in the obviously male narrator refers to himself in third person as "she" and a "fangirl"
>go back for a visual
>laugh and close the video
No. 2210810
>>2210666It's literally all bullshit, women forming cliques to turn on other women for absolutely no reason whatsoever. See the TIF thread where that extremely unfortunate looking girl made a post about not comparing herself to the pretty, skinny transmen (kek) and the TIFs in the replies were roasting her for being an ugly dood while they were dainty and delicate ukes. Or thembies shitting on she/theys for not being trans enough.
They can't see that it's a cult because they're too entrenched in the retarded, imaginary nitpick wars between women whose pronouns are moon/star and women who think that identifying as moon/star is a
problematic trigger for folx who identify as space/ship.
No. 2210869
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>show irreparable evidence about structural differences between men and women
troons reply with
>tims posting about how hormones literally will change their skeletons
>fujotifs posting about mpreg
No. 2210896
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Do some troons pass? i was watching this video on my feed and for some reason i got the impression it was a troon, not even 2 minutes in and already a mention of having a "fat cock" or whatever in a public restaurant + the crackhead behaviour, maybe there is a thing such as a female brain and male brain after all.
No. 2210899
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>>2210896this is him when he was a kid. there are other pictures but i don't want to post/look at them.
No. 2210903
>>2210896you could get into the weeds about how he totally has a male jaw or whatever but all tall lanky runway models looks kind of the same in photos, it's all styling and grooming on top of a thin figure regardless of gender.
being a model seems miserable the tims can have it.
No. 2210907
>>2210896I think MtF troons can pass if they get puberty blocked but that's obviously a disaster in so many other ways and no one should do it to kids
FtM troons can pass as neckbeards if the testosterone makes them fat and hairy and bald
No. 2210918
>>2210869This reminds me of a time when I posted about the anatomical differences between the sexes when I was talking about drawing men and women and a troon got so
triggered that I got dogpiled by basically everyone in the group and had to tell him I didn't mean it to be offensive. Looking back I'm embarrassed at myself for even giving a shit, imagine being that fragile
>>2210906Idk the only troons I've met have been narcissistic, ugly and devoid of any charisma, especially the TIMs since they're usually AGPs. The gc movement doesn't have the best representation since we're usually associated with rightoids and shitty people in general but even then I think trannies are worse, it's just that people forgive them for their bad behaviors out of fear of being painted as a bigot
No. 2210925
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>>2210896It's hard for them to, there will always be a way to tell they're not a woman. Even ones that get close like your pic still have something off about them. Years ago I used to think Amiyah Scott (picrel) passes completely, but now I can see he just looks like any other pretty gay boy. Especially in pictures where he's not posing and using camera angles. I honestly can't exactly tell you what makes trannies clockable, you can just tell even when they only show their face.
No. 2211086
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OG terf shiba anon here, how do people feel about more terf shiba posts itt? Most of them were posted in 2X and I don't know how widespread the meme is on lc
No. 2211187
>>2211086this is the
terf shiba revival thread, by all means revive our queen ♥
No. 2211274
>>2211086I want shibas to be the next
terf dogwhistle (get it? cause it's a dog kek)
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TRAs don’t have enough neurons to understand this, it’s like talking to someone in a cult, they won’t want to hear it kek.
No. 2211580
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>>2211565picrel always kills me
No. 2212446
accidentally switched my xitter timeline to "for you" and it was filled with troons. i'm so tired of this shit. never again
>>2211597need an elsie edit of this
No. 2212717
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>>2212692when he was 6. picrel is him appearing on a tv show as a child. i agree he comes across as a gay man that transitioned later. you'd think a guy that transitioned that young would be more socialised to blend in with other women, and not act like a gay man's idea of a woman but if you're being coached to perform femininity from a young age, and lean into those stereotypes - which are already a man's idea of what a woman should be - then I guess it makes sense.
No. 2212882
ALMOST 2 MILLION LIKES WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT
No. 2212891
>>2212882I can't open this in tiktok what are the comments like?
I can't wait for based normie women to finally become outspoken.
No. 2212907
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>>2212891Most of the people in the comments are supportive of the post and then there are a smattering of retarded trannies and gendies in the comments defending gender neutral pads and tampons ofc because they don’t give a shit if their mental illness “identity” ruins stuff for actual women and causes widespread confusion and even more medical harm and ignorance towards us. Here is a small example of the top comments. Also
>anti-bullying prevention kekWill normie women finally wake up? They always peak for like 5 minutes and then go back to their groveling nice girl personas, so lame. I hope she stands on business with this and doesn’t say “I don’t really mind trannies i-it’s just that” blah blah blah I want these women to stop being cowardly and say the truth about these deranged lunatics for once in their lives
No. 2212916
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>>2212907Samefag more examples of these retards trying to defend this crap, god why did we get rid of asylums for people who blabber shit like this? These are the types of people I could alog about all day long, it actually makes my blood boil
No. 2212944
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Terf shiba says hi!
No. 2212946
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Terf shiba makes a friend!
No. 2213143
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Today marked the second instance I had to ask a tranny their "assigned sex at birth" and got a disappointed sigh as he admitted that he was a male. Once again, they're clinically insane but deep down inside…they know what reality is for themselves. The cognitive dissonance between trying to gaslight everyone and yourself that you are something you're not while the logic portion of your brain has the tab on reality that you'll always be what you really are has got to be such a mental war that I almost feel bad for them.
No. 2213147
>>2212944>>2212946Kek cute. I wish I had a
TERF bestie too
No. 2213474
>>2212975All of these are true but the lack of follow up seems to be the most well documented, even within troon spaces. Their surgeons ghost them after the surgery even if they have serious complications and even places doing gender transitions on children like Tavistock are constantly losing track of patients. So if patients claim to be satisfied while they’re still in the honeymoon phase that will be on their record forever, even if they commit suicide a few years later.
High-profile transitioners like Jazz Jennings are interesting because their misery is so well documented. They may claim to be Thriving(TM) and Living Their Best Life(TM) but everyone can tell they’re deeply unwell and I wouldn’t be surprised if Jazz is on suicide watch. I’ve noticed that a lot of TRAs are very uncomfortable with Jazz. His story flies in the face of the ‘happy affirmed trans kid’ narrative and can’t be ignored or denied the way they deny the existence of other kids whose lives were wrecked by genderism.
No. 2213513
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Let’s play bingo, nonnas!
No. 2213514
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>>2213513Here’s mine. I’m so disappointed I didn’t get my bingo, but alas when I ‘misgender’ them I’m 100% doing it on purpose.
No. 2213522
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Brazil is such a lolcow country.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13976029/Shocking-moment-transgender-historian-flashes-rear-twerks-educate-gender-sexuality-lecture.html>Tertuliana Lustosa, a researcher at the University of Bahia, graced students with an erotic dance which was performed as part of her gender and sexuality lecture at the Federal University of Maranhão, where she was a guest speaker. No. 2214025
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>>2213973reduxx used to but looks like their store is still down. LWS for the classic 'adult human female' stickers. birdy rose stickers. some merch related to the suffragettes / the green white and purple. anything with the ♀ symbol, feminist art with uterus or ovaries. JKR fan merch. or make your own! you can get tshirt and sticker paper, if you have a printer at home.
No. 2214076
>>2214025thank you! i actually have a sticker-making machine i just found in storage, guess it's time to bring it out. looked on redbubble for some uterus/pro-women stickers but they apparently block anything even potentially
terf-y. so fucking annoying.
birdy rose looks great but for work reasons, i have to keep it a little more cryptic, unfortunately. plus, honestly, i think it pisses tims off more if you act stupid like 'oh sorry i didn't realise my pro-women stuff was anti-you! gee, what a conundrum.'
No. 2214099
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>>2214076>but they apparently block anything even potentially terf-y. so fucking annoying.but stickers that say "kill terfs" or tshirts that say "free punches for terfs" is perfectly fine. as long as it's just threatening violence against
women - that's absolutely fine. but women asserting their rights or referring to themselves as adult human females?? that's akin to fascism and has no place on redbubble or etsy thank you very much.
No. 2214245
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Not sure where else to post this but the Project Sekai drama on twitter right now over the possibly tranny character is so fucking annoying. As usual trannies claiming characters are trans without being sure and latching on the second they think they see le tranny representation. Even if he's actually a tranny it's annoying as hell how these people only seem to give a shit about a game if it follows their agenda. I knew the fandom for this game was terrible but it's been especially unbearable the past few days.
No. 2214389
>>2214329>It makes me sick japan is jumping on the tranny train nowThey're not kek, he's a personified anime trope for a cash cow vocaloid rhythm game made by SEGA with multiple characters which are basically OCs. The writers had to make him stand out somehow so they spun the wheel for brand new and original character personality-and-designs that consisted of "tsundere, yandere, kuudere, dandere, dojikko, foreigner, trap, otokonoko, sporty, flamboyant homosexual, blond hair, pink hair, blue hair, genki, aniki, oujisama" no prizes for guessing what he got!!!
Unfortunately trannies and their fangirls are autists who notice the same tropes in every series but don't clock that it's a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and not a case of "these japanese noble savages haven't realised they've written a brave and stunning trangirl."
No. 2214824
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>>2214245he isn't trans. he hates being a "guy" because guys can't wear pretty clothing in the land of rising conformism and hid that he was a guy so his current friends wouldn't call him out on it but that shouldn't translate out into being a troon. not everyone who struggles with gender is a tranny…crazy how in the west you can't inspect gender or talk about it without some tard boiling it down to troonism. really wish western spaces online weren't so crazy pozzed
No. 2215126
>>2214943word if i see a man into anything i don't even bother with it. the man inside my head tells me what's for him and what's for me and that's based.
>in real life no male will ever 'pass' for a schoolgirl,i agree with this too…really the whole game is fucked because it has characters with naturally purple hair wtf. that doesn't happen irl
No. 2215489
>>2213544>no one is going to do anythingIt peaks people. Normies who were previously supportive are now a lot less supportive. TRAs and troons are being asked questions that they'd rather not be asked. It's small, but it does have an impact. If you go on Reddit and other tranny echo chambers you'll see how much this affects troons. It's the kind of shit that even peaks troons into detransing.
>>2214910Kek, there's not a single braincell to be found.
No. 2215542
>>2214943It's not really about reclaiming though? It's just annoying seeing these people acting like something is something it isn't in a really condescending way and sending death threats to anyone who disagrees as an extension of the usual tranny retardation. They want to limit what you're allowed to say and make their (wrong) interpretations the only things allowed and that's a problem in general. It also extends to basically any gnc character outside of crossdresser male characters and this is just one example, that's why it's bad. Also the game doesn't use the trope for a fetish even if irl men get off on crossdressing.
>>2215126>the whole game is fucked because it has characters with naturally purple hair wtf. that doesn't happen irlThat's just every anime thing ever lol
No. 2215613
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This made me kek so hard.
>boywomb
>boytits
How does anyone take these pathetic creatures seriously?
No. 2215683
>>2215613TIFs like this are some of the most female stereotype-adhering women. It’s okay to be boy crazy and want to have a baby, but I guess the strain of feminism she’d been indoctrinated with convinced her that being straight and normal is bad and boring and submitting to the patriarchy, and therefore if she wants to be a tradwife she can only do so after cutting her tits off and growing a beard. Sad.
>>2215600This. I took queer theory classes in college in 2010 and I was deep in the trenches of Tumblr discourse from 2008-2014 and I fully peaked on trannies in 2021. Nowadays I pretend to be a clueless normie around woke folx when they ask what my pronouns are or call themselves queer because they’re a gray-ace demisexual. I was using the word “cisheteronormative” in college essays while you were in middle school, educating me further won’t do shit. But obviously if I told my queer and TRA friends that I fully understand their jargon, I just don’t agree with it and think it’s cult nonsense, they’d immediately unfriend me.
No. 2215863
The thing that drives me insane about this ideology is how quick it infects reality and no one bats an eye. Either they're crypto or they actually believe that shit and I cannot wrap my head around how this can make sense. A bit of blogpost but my friends of fucking 15 years trooned out. In the covid years, she was being unstable, heavy depression and shit, she also believed to actually have DID (she's some kind of delusional psychotic girl, but sure as hell doesn't have ocs in her head) and once this fad was over and everyone was telling her to seek help or to not give too much credit to the "voices" she said that she coped for 10 years more or less that she wasn't trans and tried to avoid it but now she's ready to live her true self. Bitch, what? We've been friends for 15 years. I know her to the very last detail and family details, family abuse included, every little thing that happened to her in these 15 years, I knew and also other people knew her and even if they weren't her best friends, they knew her, you know? When she made this sobgrabbing post, everyone in the comment said "Yess, I knew!! It was clear!! Yes!!"
When? Who? People that only saw her for like an hour or two or only knew her online said that the always knew, people that never met her said that they knew of her "eggyness" and I was like am I going insane? Am I crazy? I was almost living with this person, she lives across the road, we went to high school together, not even once she displayed strange gendie mannerism, weird gendie talk (in fact she hated them and tried to pass it of of being in denial, sure thing), she was completely fine in her body and often sexualized herself, slept with multiple people and took pride in how she did that, I was her best friends of fifteen fucking years, half of our lives and it came like a earthquake. I knew everything about her so either she did in fact lie for fifteen years and never saw me as a safe person (but strangely, safe enough to describe to the last detail what her family was doing to her) or she fabricated her new identity and people are believing it for purely biased views. When I said around, in the first months, that I didn't believe her of course I was called every flavour of terf scum but the point is that I know her so if this is true, she lied all along. We're not friends anymore, the gendie shit was rotting my brain because all she talked about was genderism and claimed it was her special interest, which is funny because I'm the one diagnosed with autism and she often call me weird during my special interest episodes, and it was very hurtful to hear that I didn't want her around anymore because I was a terf, which isn't entirely false kek but is also strange, it's like watching a zombie walking around with the face of your sister while she remembers who are you but not what you went through together, it's uncanny, sad and creepy. And everyone believes her. Anyone pushes her to do hormones doesn't really like her I believe, she booked a butching appointment for her breasts because she said that she has to do it asap or she will off herself, meanwhile she used those breasts for years to seduce people and can't people see the sudden change? Of course people in a cult only see the truth in the cult but I'm feeling insane about being the only one that has a crumb of common sense here. It preys on mentally ill people and she needed help, trooning is like a reset for these people, a new identity believeing that this will make all past trauma disappear which is in fact the opposite because the problem is not on this surface level. It's like when little kids buy fake designer accessories to look cool: they might look cool but deep down they know that they are fake but have to be cool while crumbling under the pressure that anyone could see behind their fake tags. It's annoying, sure, but deep down this shit is creepy as hell, my friend butchered herself for the fad of the year and she will wake up, like every phase she went through and even if I don't want her around anymore, I can't help but feeling a little bit sad for when the moment will come.
No. 2216006
>>2215863I feel you. I've been abused via gaslighting in the past, so having someone tell me to lie and not use the words that come naturally to me, is extremely creepy to me.
As a tomboy, I have lost so many friends to this. This is a cult that preys on vulnerable people, and I'm so tired of it.
No. 2216021
>>2215863You put what I feel in words so well. One of the main things that get to me about watching people you know well trooning out isn't only the sorrow of watching someone you were close to and loved change into a completely different person, but it's also all the lies. They lie and lie and lie when they "come out", they fabricate a past and memories that never happened. Especially when it's the most heteronormative people that clearly were thriving in one way or another living as their gender.
Someone I knew even dated a tranny for a couple of years (she had been a tif for quite a while before they met), and one of the reasons he broke up with her was because of the friction that came with him not seeing her as a man and being uncomfortable with calling her his boyfriend. But many years later, after moving to a different country and getting isolated during covid with what looked like to be only gendies he's now suddenly a woman?? And he claims he always felt like one??? Bullshit, you were like a brother to me back in the days and I know very well that if I had asked him if he wanted to be a woman back in 2012 he would have looked at me like I was insane. His timelines doesn't add up the slightest, and dating a troon would have been prime time to think about your own gender if you truly felt like a woman on the inside.
There are so many thing that don't add up with him trooning out, among other things, but I can't talk to any friends/acquaintances we had in common about it because all of them are handmaidens that gives me a judging look when I point out he's clearly acting out an agp fetish because "it's a
terf dogwhistle"
No. 2216262
>>2215548The most straightforward ones I’ve seen are also the most obviously misogynistic, like Andrea Long Chu and Hunter Schafer both saying that to be (i.e. the purpose of) a woman is to be fucked. The circular answer that a woman is anyone who feels like a woman is the more palatable, diplomatic version even if it makes no sense.
>>2215613Why is the cervix not a boycervix? Are cervices gender neutral but wombs aren’t?
No. 2216283
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Does anyone know where I can read this? I remember a lovely nonna shared a book about women's firsthand experience with TIMs abusing them and it was very enlightening. This book is supposed to be about people's peak trans stories so I'm hoping good things from it too
No. 2216294
>>2216014Nope I’m just an unmarried bisexual atheist with 2 inch long hair. Aka I’m the type of person who seems like she should be part of the gendie cult.
Telling girls they are bad and boring for being straight is part of the reason the heterosexual ones transition. I agree that men on the whole are objectively horrible, but what would you prefer straight women to do - live in an all-female compound and be celibate for their entire lives? The fact of the matter is that lots of women are attracted to the opposite sex - the human race would go out of existence if this were not the case.
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Anyone else get unreasonably angry when normies play stupid like in picrel? I have seen countless examples of actual women going "I have wide shoulders and hairy legs, GuESs TeRfS DonT cOnSiDeR Me A wOmAN" and it makes me wanna ALOG every time.
No. 2216382
>>2215683>the strain of feminism she’d been indoctrinated with convinced her that being straight and normal is bad and boring and submitting to the patriarchyAnon I totally get the type of people you're talking about and how it happens (so online they loop back to the status quo in an appeal to be edgy again), but IMO I just don't have it in me to be sympathetic to them anymore.
It just fucks me up that they're straight with no dysphoria, mostly white middle/upper class girls, and utterly convinced that being oppressed/a
victim is some state of enlightenment. They could tackle the issue of misogyny but they choose to be the
victims their own stupidity first and foremost. At least this way those attention-seeking women punish themselves for being so insufferable. I wish more straight men would do the same, but no, those ones are doing it for the coom and to threaten lesbians and bis.
No. 2216705
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This remains one of my favorite tweets of all time kek
No. 2216729
>>2215548The closest thing to answering the "What is a woman?" question is when troons reply that they align with society's idea of a woman. Something Contrapoints said. Essentially a roundabout way of saying that womanhood means gendered stereotypes.
I've always wanted to ask things like what "aligning yourself with society's role of woman" actually means. Are "butch trans women" not women then? What roles do you have to align with? If you align with a roles in one culture, do you stop being a woman in different ones? For example, women in China are often expected to manage household funds. If a troon feels gender euphoria because he can't do math like a dumb girl, then doesn't that mean he's not aligning with culturally dependent ideas of womanhood in different regions (or time periods)? If they say they "align with the overall idea of a woman" then what idea are they "aligning" with? And what actual action is taking place? If a man wants to be a woman, how does that actually make him one?
Or they say that they need a faux vagina because "society"/"troonphobia" equates womanhood with vaginas. It's so dumb I don't even know how to answer.
>>2215863I had a friend very similar to yours in college except I didn't know her for that long. She had unchecked BPD and took 6+ years to complete her psychology degree. She also worked as a stripper and wanted to cut of her breasts as soon as possible. Sometimes you can't help people. I'm not going to risk my job or hobbies, but I'm not going to enable these people at least
No. 2216751
>>2216294I'm also attracted to men but I still didn't troon out about it. I think these types of women would do some crazy shit regardless of what any lesbians or feminists online have to say about men and being straight. If you're so retarded you can be molded into thinking your own sexuality is bad and cut your boobs off and say shit like boywomb just because feminism points out the shit men do there's honestly something wrong with your head. I understand a lot of them get groomed into trooning out and are actually mentally ill but I've been surrounded by troon shit all my life while being mentally ill, isolated and aware of feminism and man hating and it still didn't happen to me so all I can think of is there's something wrong with women who fall for this shit if I didn't under very similar circumstances
>>2216729>Or they say that they need a faux vagina because "society"/"troonphobia" equates womanhood with vaginas. It's so dumb I don't even know how to answer.This is usually the type of answer I got too whenever I pointed out how retarded it is that trannies equate all these surgeries and gender stereotypes to their "true self". They'll just say ohh yes stereotypes are bad but ackshually it's society's fault because we have to pass! or some shit like that
No. 2216754
>>2216432That's painful. Unfortunately there's really nothing you can do. She chose moids over you in the past, she's choosing them over you now, if she hadn't gone down the gendie route how likely is it that she'd marry the sort of scrote who beat her once she got pregnant then trooned out once the baby was born?
Women mostly peak from the realization that this is all misogyny, and that might be what she needs to examine her own self hatred.
She clearly still cares for you, since she has the last gift you gave her in a place where she'll see it every day. She probably distanced herself from you because your words hit too close to home.
Pickmeism is really only cured by peaking. One of the stages of peaking is aggressive denial. Cutting off her nose to spite her face, or in this case cutting off her tits to spite her XX chromosomes, is unfortunately part of the denial. She doesn't sound like she has a strong enough sense of self to continue the delusion once trooning falls out of style, so she'll either slide right into another cult, or she'll use her remaining brain cells to put 2 and 2 together and admit that you were right all along.
No. 2217666
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Go home, algorithm. You're drunk.
No. 2217769
>>2217666is this like a protein powder for trannies lmao? i hope it has
substances that are bad for humans in it.
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So corny how they are saying that the "Be yourself" message hits harder when it's being told by a TiM, kek.
No. 2217932
>>2216729>Or they say that they need a faux vagina because "society"/"troonphobia" equates womanhood with vaginas. It's so dumb I don't even know how to answer.This is what frustrates me the most with the current troon dogma. For most of them the goal is blatantly to modify their bodies enough that they're mistaken for being of the other sex, and they make all these posts about how HRT is magic and changes your sex at the molecular level, but also sex isn't real and you don't need medical transition to be
valid.
It's amazing how they resolved the transmed vs truscum intracommunity debate by just pretending there was never a contradiction to resolve in the first place.
No. 2218693
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even if you say you support tims that means youre a terf now
No. 2218731
>>2218693I hope they continue this trend , because even allies are going to get tired.
>you’re not doing enough!>to prove that you actually support us you need to suck my dick and my friend Lilith’s too>prove to me that you’re not a TERF!!They’re close to actually saying this kek, give it some few months.
No. 2218802
>>2218733No, see, it's
fauxcest and
consensual non-consent, this dainty innocent transgirl is clearly attracted to the participants' acting abilities and not to the fact that it's the closest he can legally get to jacking it to real incest and rape.
No. 2219579
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It must be blissful to be this stupid
No. 2219595
>>2219579Fantastic, we can now screen peoples brains to determine their gender! If you don’t pass the MRI test for brain sex, you don’t get any hormones because you’re not actually that gender. Sound like a good deal? No? You don’t want a test that can falsify your claims of being the wrong sex? Interesting.
Realizing that even if brain sex existed and you could reliably test for it that TRAs wouldn’t want to use it as diagnostic criteria was one of the things that led to me peaking. Imagine if we had a super accurate test for autism based on brain scans or gene sequencing instead of those subjective questionnaires. Wouldn’t that be more accurate, precise, and give people more information? Why wouldn’t you want a test like that to exist if you cared about the health of autistic people? But TRAs don’t want a test like that to exist. It makes no sense if you think of gender dysphoria as a medical condition you want relief from to not want an accurate diagnosis. But if you think of transgender identity as a personal identity you want validation for, then it makes perfect sense. However the whole crux of public support for them is based on the idea they have a medical condition they need medicine for, not some libertarian body mod. Normies really need to be aware of the way that gender dysphoria is not treated like other “medical” conditions because it’s an eye opener.
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>>2219579if you feel that your identity is incongruent with your body to the point you seriously start thinking of suicide and extreme ways of modifying it to be satisfied with yourself, thats not healthy.
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>>2219595>No? You don’t want a test that can falsify your claims of being the wrong sex? Interesting. these will be the same people who say that trans isn't a medical condition and all that matters is choice and feelings but then still feel the desperate need to prove it with pseudoscience.
and even if they did have MRI tests, it would show fuck all to do with gender because it's not a measurable thing. and the difference between male and female brains are so subtle to begin with, that even if you were closer to one or the other, it would be essentially meaningless. there is so much bullshit around neuroscience. i remember years ago when the discussion was about the similarities between straight women and gay men's brains, and lesbians and straight men. the studies were, as they are now, shoddy. small samples sizes (like 30 people overall) and jumping to conclusions in order to weave a narrative.
and lastly, even with these very small brain structure differences, the results actually show that TIMs are still much more like "cis" men than women kek (picrel). for all we know those differences could be explain by other things, such as autism, or the fact that 6/24 were gay men - might have pushed the needle slightly. but the results literally show they don't have "female brains" and don't align with the average of the 24 women's brains in this study.
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More TIMs are now claiming to be female too now, I wonder where that will bring us kek.
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Never date a moid with tranny friends, he IS homosexually obsessed with them. Sickening
No. 2220518
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>>2219918If trans women were biologically female, they wouldn't be trans at all.
No. 2220631
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Gender-affirming care, uwu~
No. 2220844
>>2220631This is blatant doctor-assisted self harm.
>>2220710Maybe a handful of the really high profile ones will be criticised in the media and a few of them will be slapped with malpractice suits, but I think most of them will get away with it. How many doctors were actually punished for performing lobotomies?
No. 2221041
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>too fat to be queer
>not the right hourglass shape to be feminine
>too round and soft to be masculine
>not thin enough to be in between
How sad that TRAs destroyed body dysphoria now to makes you think you also need to be a man.
No. 2221049
>>2221041>too fat to be queer wtf does this mean? it's all about looks and how she is perceived that will inform her 'identity'
it's deranged
No. 2221733
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>>2221041is there a word for this genre of navel-gazing comic? Blue/purple/pink people for the gender binary, abstract galaxy-esc backgrounds, "I've always felt wrong in my body"
No. 2221941
>>2180847I just randomly remembered this guy and his bizarre points. He used to argue that
real lesbians are mostly feminine and butches/butch lovers are either AAP or not homosexual. It's similar to the standard AGP fantasy that lesbianism is two feminine 'women' being cute together. It's weird how even supposedly self-aware male fetishists still find a way to insert their obsession in discussions that have nothing to do with it (female sexuality). I genuinely don't know what they get out of it. If it's not to mask their paraphilia, what is it? Are they getting something out of a claim to truth (while knowing very well it's colored by their paraphilia)? Sidebar but this reminds me of the male pervert tendency to write long worldbuilding descriptions around their sexual fixation. Literature, the internet is full of these rants, from De Sade to random coomer blogs. So very strange
No. 2222275
>>2222141God yes, I used to feel like that constantly. My online friend groups are woke as fuck. Even people who are usually reasonable lose their mind when it comes to troons. I've learned that it's ok to be crypto with them, because they're so far into the trans cult that they wouldn't listen or understand no matter what I show or tell them. I could literally show them a gay autist detrans kid saying "trans is a homophobic movement, I was harmed by this as a child" and they still go "never happens, must be a liar grifter". They just will not listen or have any compassion, so starting fights with these narrow minded people will achieve nothing and you will only drain your own energy. You have to find already peaked spaces where you can actually discuss things in a truthful and meanful manner.
Basically think of them like little kids. You can't say upsetting things their tiny brains can't handle until they've grown.
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>>2222888i used the picture of his face to peak my aunts who live in that city. total disbelief at first that a man so horrifying and clearly a danger to women is being confined with women.
No. 2222900
>>2222896In the lesbian community butch/femme couples are really popular. they are not the exception at all.
But it's true that most gay males prefer hyper masculine men.
It's because female sexuality is based on sex but male sexuality is based on gender roles.
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Changed the scenery but not the fucking situation kek.
Women are still being oppressed in trooner land.
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>friend i've had a small crush on for years tells me she realized she's bi
>get excited
>she then tells me she found this out by dating a tim
>tim got her to send nudes and then cheated on her (very feminine behavior)
>tim convinced her she's a nonbiny they/them because she never wears skirts or makeup and doesn't shave her legs
I wish I could tell her to wake the fuck up but if I said anything against any of this I'm pretty sure she's too stuck in the cult now to listen without cutting me off. I've known her for almost a decade and in the 1 year I'm unable to have as much contact with her she gets sucked into this shit.
No. 2223023
Sometimes I ask myself if maybe I'm the one who's actually crazy, who is unfair and more conservative than I like to admit. That maybe I'm in the wrong for being so against trannies and everything they stand for. Then I see shit like
>>2220631 and realize that no, this is actual insanity and once you see how backwards and sexist it all is you can never unsee it.
No. 2223233
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>>2221733There's so many of these and they're always the same, you could make a bingo card of these pseudo-deep gender comics.
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Does anybody else feel like they are able to clock Aidens very quickly with very little context? The first clue is that they will be in a female dominated space and feel the need to announce that they are a "guy". Never a man, but a "guy". In some situations, they will be overly defensive over their supposed male identity whenever they encounter any man hate posts in ways that a moid would not. Moids would typically try to twist the situation around about how women are actually the evil ones or that everyone is evil and pretend that sexism doesn't exist at all to avoid having the conversation completely. An aiden would feel like everyone is attacking them and would be desperately trying to claim that they are "not like other guys" and cry about how they are ashamed of members of their "gender" and how they love women very much and empathise with them. The second clue is a weeb profile pic or a male kpop idol. When you read their comments you can hear yourself reading them in the voice of a woman attempting to lower their voice and larp as a man in a comedic fashion, not the voice of an actual man. I feel like pinterest has trained me incredibly well at spotting aidens because you click on their profile and it's literally everything you expect and a more. I feel pretty confident in my assumption that this is a female in that regard because men having hair care routines is not that novel to me personally, especially if they have long hair. Most men do not have robust hair care routines specifically because they mainly have short hair so any damage that could ever possibly occur is constantly being cut off when they get haircuts and they tend not to have an interest in maintaining length. It's little things like this that show their inability to properly execute their larp in a convincing manner.
No. 2223517
>>2222275>Basically think of them like little kids. You can't say upsetting things their tiny brains can't handle until they've grown.This is exactly how I see it too. I find it hard not to look down on people as a whole because of this when I have to treat most of them like they're retarded children and too stupid to understand things I consider basic. Ironically enough, they see
us as the retarded children who aren't enlightened by troon ideology instead. I also don't have much hope they will change.
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>>2222141I feel lucky that trans stuff is barely a topic of conversation. It sucks so much that almost every woman you will talk to is pro-troon just because there are hsts look like conventionally attractive women. Women have way too much internalised misogyny that they will value a troon who looks like an insta model's feelings over the concerns of an actual woman who states nothing but facts. All attacks on terfs are completely based on appearance and sexual value because they cannot argue with facts and only have nonsense like picrel to fall on when they feel backed into a corner. That being said, i couldn't be friends with a woman who was a hardcore troon lover and completely stubborn about it. I don't think i could hide my negative feelings towards them because i feel like such people are completely unintelligent and stupid, i don't want to be around such a person. I'd prefer it if they were moderate or not particularly interested, but it's hard if you are into nerdy shit or like art, almost everyone in those spaces are a hardcore handmaiden or a troon themselves.
No. 2223657
>>2223583>Most people don't perform, they align with masculine or feminine values/behaviors/attitudes or both (or neitherSo women are innately feminine. Because it's align with their sex. But somehow people saying lesbians are feminine women who are attracted to other feminine women doesn't makes sense to you. Interesting.
>don't see how it's an issue I didn't said it's an issue. I was talking about women who acts traditionally masculine in a way that even most men don't. I was also talking about more psychical appearance wise, like a feminine beautiful women can get away with acting masculine.
No. 2223736
>>2223726This is basically where I am at. In my case I know I won’t be cutoff since all of my friends are sweet, just a bit naive. They also generally respect my opinion on stuff enough to actually listen to what I have to say. It would be different if I was a public figure. I get the hesitation to be an open
TERF, especially online in super pozzed places like art communities.
No. 2223742
>>2223726>but I think cutting mostly normal but slightly pozzed women off just for being in support sounds like you are protecting yourself first, pushing them away first before they can push you awayNTA but you sound a bit naive. For us who aren't usamerican, the gender craze isn't that bad but for burgers, Canadians and even britbongs you will legit get treated as a neonazi for saying women don't have dicks and lesbians don't suck dick. There's multiple anecdotes itt about how vile and hateful these gendie women are towards feminists and lesbians and how most women stay quiet to not lose their entire support group. Which I understand, but I'm partial to agreeing with
>>2223641 . You can't bite your tongue your whole life, and women's rights is something you should NEVER bite your tongue for. It makes me so furious to think of the amount of women who agree with us yet stay quiet to not offend their retarded bepronouned green haired transmascs friends. Drop those stinky pronoun pin fujos and befriend normie women who are normal about feminism already.
No. 2223851
>>2223700It really doesn't matter though. If they'd cut you off over something as small as not thinking a man in a dress is a woman, then the relationship is already
toxic as fuck. Being friends with a gendie whilst being disgusted or upset about their life decisions is also retarded and it's a sign of having zero backbone. Having to bite your tongue around people who are supposed to be your confidants only leads to misery. I think this is more of a case that you are horribly afraid of being alone and not being able to have the illusional that people like you. They already hate you, as it is and there's nothing you can do about it. I don't have any sympathy for people who are that much of a pussy and lack the backbone to push back against people. Sure you should avoid the troon conversation at work, but not with your family or friends, just bite the bullet and stop being a pussy.
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>>2223742> For us who aren't usamerican, the gender craze isn't that bad but for burgers, Canadians and even britbongs you will legit get treated as a neonazi for saying women don't have dicks and lesbians don't suck dickAustralia forgotten once again…..
Down here it really depends on what town you live in but in Sydney and Melbourne you WILL be crucified for being against gendie nonsense. Although, I did see in the bathroom of a dive bar once someone wrote "TERFs are beautiful" and I try and write YWNBAW whenever I see people writing shit about girlcock in bathroom stalls
No. 2223890
>>2223657>So women are innately feminine. Because it's align with their sex.No, that's not what i said. I said right after this that 'it's not inborn' and 'subject to change'. Most women lean towards femininity but there are going to be women who don't. Something that comes naturally doesn't mean 'innate', it's just something you effortlessly are.
>But somehow people saying lesbians are feminine women […] doesn't makes sense to you.Yeah no it doesn't. I get that you have an aesthetic preference for feminine women and that you think it's the lesbian norm (could be), but there are going to be masculine lesbians, like there are masculine straight women.
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>turning your oc into an mtf
why would anyone do this?
No. 2224379
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>tif coworker says her bf might start working with us in a few months
>there's not a lot of guys in our job so I was wondering if it would shake anything up
>fast forward to now, the bf got the job
>it's just a girl who goes by he/them
What level of gender brainrot must you have to think your lesbian relationship is a gay men relationship?
No. 2224404
>>2223890>Most women lean towards femininityAnd why does most women lean towards femininity? Yeah sure there are also intersex women with penises, we're not talking about exceptions.
>comes naturally>doesn't mean innate>it's just who you areYou make no sense.
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What the fuck is this?
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>>2224539wtf. this idiot is trying to make out that bella has a "cisgender identity"
you'll be unsurprised most of their edits are to do with gender shite
No. 2224781
>>2224697I'm not sure. I think broader societal change could prevent the vast majority of cases, but even so there would still likely be those with persisting incongruence (I prefer to use that term over "dysphoria", because the definition has become so muddied) who can relieve their incongruence with hormones/surgeries. As long as they keep it entirely anatomical and don't do the gender bullshit.
How does your sex dysphoria manifest? A feeling of what you are, or a feeling of what you want to be? I'm talking about the former (and I think that type does usually have at least some social element on top of the organic).
No. 2224840
>>2224742>As fixed as it is, it can significantly change in a lifetime because of political or personal events. I disagree. Even you claim it to be socialization it can't be easily change
>How do you explain that older women or women in more advanced countries are less ostentatious about their feminine behaviorI hope you don't mean not wearing makeup by this. Women in west seems to like to push beauty standards even further actually
>If these things were innate there would be no debate or discussion, like there is no discussion around your eye's innate function making you see thingsConsidering world is discussing what a woman is, this is a wrong analogy
No. 2224917
>>2224781>As long as they keep it entirely anatomical and don't do the gender bullshitBut this makes no sense. I feel like this is the same thing as letting a schizophrenic person who believe they can fly to jump off a building. What makes someone opposite sex? Where do we draw the line? If it's about physically passing it doesn't seems non social to me.
>How does your sex dysphoria manifest? A feeling of what you are, or a feeling of what you want to beMine is a politcal (?) one I guess? I know I'm a woman and will never be a man. But I want to be a man, I don't feel like a man, I don't feel like a woman either. Dysphoria isn't about feeling/wanting to be opposite gender, it's about feeling extreme discomfort in your gender. That's why there are so many gendies. I think that's also why there's a difference between gender and sex (according to this logic). I also consider it to be some kind of subcategory of body dysphoria. All type of dysphoria is social. I personally don't want to have a vagina and that's what I'm mostly fixated on. But I also don't want to look like a woman (even a masculine looking one). I would like to be agender but since that's against nature I'm interesting in male form
No. 2225080
>>2224840>I hope you don't mean not wearing makeup by thisNah i meant behavior, not visual signalling. From what i've observed women in or from non-western countries are just as obsessed with matching their beauty standards
>Considering world is discussing what a woman is, this is a wrong analogyThe same people who know what a woman is (so, sane people) still discuss the meaning of masculinity/femininity and want to perpetuate these things. It's nothing like sex, which is immediately obvious for 99% of people and definite for everyone. If it was like that, parents wouldn't worry about their sons being feminine from doing too much of too little of [x], they wouldn't harshly push feminine norms onto their daughters or onto other women etc. They wouldn't spend all these efforts to make sure people behave in a way they deem appropriate. A relevant example would be handmaidens trying to make us act in typically feminine ways wrt the the trans debate: be kind, sacrifice your sex-specific spaces for men because it's
nice, shut up about detrans and grooming because it's
rude, using feminine (indirect) tactics like ostracization, moralfagging, relying on men for direct intimidation… I'm getting sidetracked kek, i'm sure you didn't mean that when saying lesbians are feminine but it's worthwhile to discuss what actually constitutes femininity beyond makeup and being petite.
>Even you claim it to be socialization it can't be easily changeYeah, it doesn't easily change. Socialization doesn't equal 'easily changed'. We def agree on this
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>>2223508i never get why they always call themselves guys, boys, transmascs, dudes but never men or the word males. they can't even take themselves seriously as "males" so why should anybody else? i can also clock them within seconds. their interests always give it away. it's always very female interests (yaoi) or a hyper-stereotyped version of what they think men like. sometimes even what little boys like (bugs, dinosaurs). the way they type is very tumblr-like and female too. i can't describe it well but it's there. they always type in a wishy-washy manner too that actual moids wouldn't because they don't deal with female socialization and walking on eggshells all the time
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>be woman with androgynous style and tattoos and piercings
>Coworker, theyfab, chubby, and wears pants comes up to me telling me the new hire just called her a lady
>"How can he call me a lady, I mean, look at me!"
>mfw
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despite everything. theyre still men who want you to suck their dick. lol
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>>2225657I briefly went through his account out of curiosity and god what the fuck is wrong with trannies? Why do they think that every crossdresser should be like them, especially the nice looking ones? It's genuinely disturbing.
No. 2225916
>>2225678Old school TIMs have a joke that goes
>Whats the difference between a crossdresser and a transwoman?>Three yearsIt’s usually true but Mana appears to be an exception. Maybe because he’s a performer. Does he even wear EGL in his daily life?
No. 2226046
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>>2226011True. Slight blog but I follow a lot of Japanese artists and just now a pic of 2 males belonging to some male model group cosplaying sailor moon came up on my feed(big muscled man arms and legs). Because their bio showed they aren't troons, just men comfortable crossdressing for cosplay, I just honestly found the pic funny and wanted to share with my friend group. Then I remembered that they are woke virtue signalers who will most likely bring up trans crap if they see this, so I refrained. I hate existing in the current state of the internet
No. 2226052
>>2226026my exact thoughts when i read it. it's only okay when
they do it, it seems. the logic is incosistent but they will insist everyone who doesn't strictly conform to gender norms is just like them and secretly an egg and they will decide other peoples gender but how DARE you say they're a man in women's clothing, you're not respecting their identities!! it's so fucking retarded, absolute peaking fuel
No. 2226099
>>2226052They love saying that they’re abolishing gender, but they just end up reinforcing it kek.
Troons can never handle a man who dresses in feminine clothing (do they even exist nowadays kek) while still calling himself a man or a butch lesbian woman, without throwing retarded egg allegations. I hate them.
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I'm afraid that the DSM 6 won't be any better
No. 2226879
I had a very refreshing and based conversation today with 2 of my relatives about our other relative, who is a TIM. They both agreed that he’s likely identifying as woman due to a combination of autism, early exposure to porn, internalized homophobia, and the standard teenage struggle to figure out your identity, and it’s silly that we’re expected to play along and cater to his delusions. Both my relatives still believe that trutrans is a real thing, but whatever, baby steps. I explained my views that the current wave of transgenderism is like a combination of anorexia, a cult, and the teenage subculture that’s replaced goth and emo, and they pretty much agreed with me.
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This got shared as a joke but it's creepy how true this is. A troon I knew for years made fun of my gothic style and always called me a tryhard "jokingly" (we know that men don't know irony) and since he trooned out, he started wearing new rocks, black lipstick, did his makeup like a sad clown, fishnets and got the name of a girl that rejected him…
No. 2226949
>>2226676and then with DSM-7 unless the madness ends it will keep changing because the very reality
triggers them. unless they can get pills on demand they won't be happy.
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>>2226945They don’t just want to be a woman they want to be an
attractive woman. What is attractive to them is probably their wife, girlfriend, childhood crush, or the girl that shot them down. They view the lust they have for the woman not as a what it is, but rather an expression of gender dysphoria. They then reason that the reason they loved her so much wasn’t because they liked her, they wanted to be her.
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>>2226971reminded of this collage.
>>2226948i really think it all comes down to narcissism. an extremely fragile sense of self and desperate need for external validation. he might idolise a woman he is attracted to but feels he "deserves" to have her qualities for himself. it's a projected image of perfection onto the woman, which he then strives to become. just feeding off the identities of others in order to temporarily fill the void inside. in addition to the porn-brained AGP shit, ofc.
No. 2227008
>>2226971>that height differenceIt just looks like he's doing a shitty cosplay of his wife.
but to add to this, troons skinwalk because they don't see us as fully formed human beings. We're a set of characteristics for them, meaning they have a clear set of things to emulate. It's such a clear sign they don't recognise us for the rounded, complex human beings that we are. Like with identifying as a goth girl they coomed over in highschool, they don't think about her when her makeup is off, hair tied up and looking like shit walking around her house, they think about her all dressed up and exuding a certain kind of personality. They only ever see these women when they're 'on', and performing, so that's all they have to go on. Women are never completely, totally at ease around men, we're always performing or putting a wall up to protect ourselves, but that wall is all they see, and they take it for what it is. They assume the wall is us, and think if they mimic the wall just close enough then they are us.
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>>2227007The last couple in particular pisses me off because they were at some point circulated on tumblr as "based protestors gaming the system" as if they aren't literally just a quirky straight couple getting married in a deeply homophobic country. iirc the moid doesn't even consider himself mtf trans per se but an "androgyne" and is also a homophobic misogynist as well.
No. 2227051
>>2226948You know the saying "imitation is the best form of flattery"? It's like that, but taken to the extreme. It's creepy because it's combined with overbearing male sexual attraction ("do I want to fuck her, or be her?") and because it's never one small thing like wearing similar shoes or earrings, they steal their ideal woman's
entire style. Even creepier when it's a woman who rejected them, or when they're imitating teen fashion trends. They still have the outfit coordination skills of an AGP man too, so their aesthetic ape-ing is usually poorly put together and very surface-level.
>>2227007 Is right too, a lot of these men are desperately seeking a pre-made identity so they don't have to figure out their own.
No. 2227057
>>2227051>overbearing male sexual attraction ("do I want to fuck her, or be her?") even worse when you see troon posts that are like "do I want to fuck her or
kill her? oh wait I just want to be her teehee"
No. 2227069
>>2224407I don't really. A woman that sits with her legs spread is a woman and a man that crosses his is still a man. I don't see her as a "masculine" woman or as an "feminine" man. A twink man with limp wrists that twerks and "bottoms" for another man, has more in common with a man than with a woman. I guess i don't completely disagree with you, as i think most things are biological, like men lacking empathy and being predatory even in small amounts that not even the "manliest" butch performing masculinity woman can replicate. However, like
>>2225080 said, a lot of these things are enforced by society, the biggest one imo being women sacrificing their needs for others and men trying to take everything they can from everyone, almost as if women=prey, man=predator.
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>>2227007>an extremely fragile sense of self and desperate need for external validation. he might idolise a woman he is attracted to but feels he "deserves" to have her qualities for himself. it's a projected image of perfection onto the woman, which he then strives to become. just feeding off the identities of others in order to temporarily fill the void inside.I’ve talked about this elsewhere but my older brother trooned out a few years ago. He is prevented from skinwalking me too much due to him being unable to find my clothes in his size, but it doesn’t stop him from trying. Most notably he replaced all of his bath products with the same ones I use in the exact same scents, as well as getting a haircut like mine.
In my case it’s probably because he is autistic and has had difficulties socializing due to that. I’m not autistic and have always had a more active social life with rewarding friendships compared to him. He’s point blank told me how my life must be nice and easy because of how much people like me. Somewhere along the way things got crossed and he determined that if he was a woman then he could have the life I do.
There’s also some AGP aspects I won’t get into. He isn’t willing to change himself or do anything that will actually improve his life. But he has decided skinwalking is the solution to his problems.
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>>2227097It’s okay anon I like laughing at them too
No. 2227127
>>2227080Horrible image. We need to go back to publicly bullying troon men to suicide.
>>2227117God stuff like this is so scary to me. Actual "wear her skin" level obsesion
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how it feels to talk to a he/they mutual without using her retarded preffered pronouns (fucking everything in my language is gendered) (thankfully i can just randomly switch between speaking my own and english language mid-sentence like all of us chronically online esl twittards do)
>>2227117that's fucking scary. next thing you know his mugshot is on the news because he wore her skin. i wonder if this behaviour can be grounds for getting a restraining order? not like these really do anything but still
No. 2227196
>>2227051>>2227007>aesthetic ape-ing is usually poorly put together and very surface-levelYep. People are into aesthetics and fashion because of what it means: what kind of person they are if they wear (thing), 'lifestyle', how they come across to other people etc. AGPs do not exactly think in these terms. There's something odd, because they confuse symbols and what's symbolized. AGP men in their forties do not feel awkward dressing like a cliche anime schoolgirl or their goth crush from 1997 because in their mind, wearing a pleated skirt with pigtails
is girlhood, they really feel as if they've gained 'girly' and 'youthful' attributes by possessing these objects. Normal people (especially feminine women) and TiFs try and find a self in consumption but they're still aware the piece of clothing is just textile, even if they really want it to mean something. As soon as they feel it doesn't reflect them, they move on to the next trend, or they perfect their style in hopes of mirroring their self. TiMs are happy to latch onto a fetish object and never let go, it's about creating an illusion of self-sufficiency. Notice how the most affected AGPs give up on sex and relationships entirely (it usually goes like wife > sex with other TiMs > sexual autism, total reliance on porn or crossdressing). They're saying 'i don't really need my estranged ex-wife/crush/porn fantasy, i've turned her into a wig and outfit and she's mine now'.
>an extremely fragile sense of selfTroons flaunt their silicon breast plates or skinwalk costumes like other men flaunt weapons and symbols of power. Sometimes they pose in AGP attire with guns, it really is the same ego-soothing mechanism
No. 2227423
>>2227021You probably don't burp or fart freely in public but don't mind doing it in private. That's what
nonnie means by performance. Men, being retarded, only see you when you have manners and conclude that girls don't fart. Troons then base their own performance on that false image.
No. 2227558
>>2227080sorry about your sibling woes
nonnie.
>he determined that if he was a woman then he could have the life I do.this is a huge part of it too, especially as a lot of them are autistic and have the whole theory of mind problem. you can tell they just want to play life on "easy mode" which they think all women have, effortlessly.
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This is the retard who is surprised about bi people not wanting to fuck troons. I'll die before seeing a
valid explanation for trooning out.
https://x.com/firstwaking/status/1850192288623816870Also, sometimes I wonder if they are upset that no one is fucking them but other troons (which they hate because they want validation because a normal person being attracted to them means cracking the code) or if they are really so deluded, they see themselves as hot strippers and charming yaoi bois irl….
No. 2227617
>>2227609>Also, sometimes I wonder if they are upset that no one is fucking them but other troons (which they hate because they want validation because a normal person being attracted to them means cracking the code) Ding!Ding! Correct answer kek.
They delude themselves that transitioning makes them become their true self and therefore they’ll achieve ultimate sexual appeal (this is especially true for TIMs), it shatters their delusions when they’re met with the reality that the average person does in fact care about your genitals when they want to have sex with you despite TWAW and TMAM. You have to remember that they’re very fragile mentally and that their perception of themselves depends on others.
I got no idea if they truly believe that a penis
truly becomes feminine or that if there’s any way to treat a penis like a vagina and viceversa though, maybe the femininity they’re talking about is it being flaccid and atrophying kek. I personally think it’s just a cope.
No. 2227624
>>2226948i couldn't say for sure but i dated an
abusive scrote for two years who i suspect has bpd. he was obsessed with me, admitted wanting to be me/like me, would obsessively paint and draw pictures of me and send them to me, constantly try to start fights with me and get amused and smug when i'd get upset, and the list of disturbing things goes on, this guy should be in jail for some of the shit he's done. of course he would do the classic wearing his little sisters clothes.
i remember him suggesting a new nickname for me and when i didn't use it he started calling himself that. anyways when i finally broke up with him, he stalked and harassed me for 2 years and was mailing things to my house (one of those things being a drawing he did of me with my head dismembered) and buying phone numbers to call me. he was constantly trying to get back together with me. a year or two after the harassment ceased is when i think he trooned out because he would regularly attempt to get in contact with me and try to "catch up", told me he was trans and to no surprise his whole persona/style is based off of me and my personality that he used to say he wish he had. fast forward over a decade later and he's still trying to do this and must have been stalking me online to this day because not even a few days after i deleted my online presence he showed up in a fucking discord to look for someone i know personally and started DMing them asking questions about me. over 10 years later. i genuinely don't understand the fixation but whenever i see the skinwalking thing i just know it must run deep, it's fucking disturbing and i hate to think of what's going on inside these people's minds but i can say for sure that there's something very fucking wrong with these losers.
No. 2227631
>>2227617Troon cocks are sad as fuck. They shrink and don't even get hard anymore, I cannot imagine being in bed with one of them and not having at least one, involutary feedback about my partner being attracted to me, only males do.
>>2227624Most troons are bpd. I'm playing doctor here but everytime I hear about troon horror stories and after being with two troon males in my life (they trooned out after breaking up with me), they act the exact same as bpdemons. Maybe it's both the lack of identity and the constant need to jump from one to another and favourite person bullshit but I can assure it's quite a creepy coincidence.
No. 2227637
>>2227624that is fucking terrifying i'm so sorry. i hope you are safe now and far away from this weirdo.
not as bad as your story but my
abusive ex used to always say he wanted to be like me, and idolised my life as perfect and whenever i had success it would be because i was a "cute girl". for example, if i got a promotion at work, he would say "maybe i would get a promotion too if i had boobs" and shit like that. he also used to cross dress sometimes (skirts, make up, nail varnish etc.) nothing extreme. it didn't really bother me because i hadn't considered it was anything insidious - i even admired that a man wasn't limiting himself to stereotypical gender roles at the time. i was very easy going, which was a big mistake. if i acted or made choices outside his projected idea of a perfect woman (like having an opinion that differed to his), he would lose his shit at me. he was physically violent, typical bpd autistic male but was convinced he was a woman inside and related more to women. he kept saying that he was convinced i was a lesbian, and one of his reasons for this was because i "seemed more attracted to him when he wore girly things". as if a 6ft tall gorilla wearing eyeshadow - which i don't even like, it looked awful - is the same as being attracted to the female sex… so retarded. i finally gained the courage to grey rock him which took years to work, but last i heard he is starving himself and wearing more women's clothing in the style i would wear, but hasn't changed his pronouns or name yet.
No. 2227664
>>2227645i'm starting to see a bit more pushback and critical thinking but mainstream feminism will always be co-opted unfortunately. female sexuality will always be deliberately associated with being prostitutes for men, and it will likely continue to be sold as "empowering" under the guise of feminism. the shaming around it just further justifies their cause. women shouldn't be shamed for being sexual beings, but for some retarded reason this extends to sexual slavery.
>it's her right to choose!what about when a woman stays in an violent
abusive relationship? she "chooses" to stay in that relationship… right? we should support her empowered decision… right?
also notice how it's never
>is it a man's right to purchase a woman's body to use as he wishes? because it would immediately fall apart.
No. 2227667
>>2227509>How do you explain mothers who sexually abuse their daughters? Or any other female to female abuse?This is the exception and not the rule. This is a small percentage compared to men that abuse their daughters and other girls/women.
>Or the deliberate efforts of women to raise their status by competing with other women? Which is almost all women, where are their empathy? Men can express their misogyny more explicitly, women are cattier. Women's cruel behavior to each other isn't solely something patriarchy imposes on them.Women's misogyny whether its "intrasexual competition" or fueled by the patriarchy is nowhere near the same level of depravity that men exude. Im not saying women are saints, but women's misogynistic attacks on other women consist of shaming women for diverting/not conforming to the gender roles and the already stablished female socialization. Men do it because they are predators, they do not see women as equals and want to be above them in every way they can. The more rights and autonomy women get the more they need to differentiate between them and claim whatever they posses(the men) is superior. Ex. In the past it used be normal for men to wear heels, makeup and care for their appereance but as women gained more rights they slowly stopped to the point of today men putting no effort into their looks and basically maleness being associated with existing in your natural/default state and femaleness being aasociated with beautifying rituals and any woman that doesnt wear makeup or doesnt shave is seen as "masculine". It's private property vs public property. Women or being a woman used to mean being a mother
a breeding cattle really and now it means being a aesthetically pleasing sexual object. Its the maddona-whore complex, nothing new. Men are unable to see and treat women as complete human beings capable of thinking and having their own wants and desires independent from others, that's why the impose a specific set of characteristic and reduce them to no more than that, thats how they punish women, that's why TIMs will never be women.
>As for the femininity and masculinity, due to biological differences women lean towards femininity, it doesn't mean they're that stacy stereotype.Can you expand on this? Due to how bodies are structured i don't doubt that women choose clothing that is designed for their own bodies, although women tend to look fine in men's clothing/masculine clothing and men just… cannot.
>But even their interests are feminine, women also don't like masculine women around them. You can easily see how a woman with low EQ or empathy will make other women uncomfortableTrue. I wonder how much of this is socialization and if it can change
No. 2227698
>>2227637ayrt, thank you, i appreciate your kind words. also, god that guy sounds like a nightmare holy shit. the fact that he thought you were a lesbian because he thought you were more attracted to him while crossdressing, kek, what a joke. it really is fucking retarded. he sounds like a horrendous creep, good on you for grey rocking him and i'm proud of you nona! he sounds like the ticking time bomb type
>i was very easy going, which was a big mistake. if i acted or made choices outside his projected idea of a perfect woman (like having an opinion that differed to his), he would lose his shit at me. he was physically violent, typical bpd autistic male but was convinced he was a woman inside and related more to women. i'm so sorry. what a projecting piece of shit, he sounds unbelievably insufferable. i hate when people take advantage of easy going people and i hate that he projected all of his dipshit male rage at you yet thinks he relates to women. what a loser. i'm very glad you don't have to deal with him anymore. i'm so sorry you had to go through that shit.
No. 2227708
>>2227667>women's misogynistic attacks on other women consist of shaming women for divertingNTAYRT, there's a third type which is reliance on male violence to hurt other people. Women who want to be really cruel to other women rely on men to enact their wish. Women's misogyny is of course less violent and dramatic in its consequences but a lot of it flies under the radar because it's indirect.
>>2227624I'm happy you're out of this relationship, i hope he dies in a car accident or something. I've also had to deal with a deranged long-term stalker who skinwalked me (which was by far his most disturbing bevavior). He didn't crossdress nor did he express anything in relation to AGP but the similarity is striking, they remind me of
abusive troon divorcees who skinwalk their wife. It's about possessing something against all odds in both cases
>>2227645Yes, this doesn't fly anymore for most zoomers. I've noticed that women who go really hard on the choice rhetoric and act like having sex with 100 is a healthy thing for a woman are… old. Not fifties old (then they wouldn't care anymore), but late thirties. And they clearly have low self esteem, this is why they showcase how desperate they are to please male sexuality. These women live in terror of not being fuckable and choice feminism is the vehicle of their neurosis. Come to think of it, it was also like this in the 2010s.
No. 2227716
>>2227708>I'm happy you're out of this relationship, i hope he dies in a car accident or something. I've also had to deal with a deranged long-term stalker who skinwalked me (which was by far his most disturbing bevavior). He didn't crossdress nor did he express anything in relation to AGP but the similarity is striking, they remind me of abusive troon divorcees who skinwalk their wife.thank you so much nona. i really appreciate your words, and i also am very sorry you had to deal with a shitty deranged long-term stalker as well. it's so taxing to deal with and i hope you're safe now. it really fucking sucks to deal with
>It's about possessing something against all odds in both casesi agree, i feel similarly and i think that's a good way to put it. he was incredibly posessive far before he trooned out so i feel like that really tracks. i hope you are doing well and far away from that skinwalking creep. best wishes
No. 2227728
>>2227670>"One of the most insightful parts of Blanchard’s discovery is that autogynephila resembles a sexual orientation">“The AGPs I have seen typically want to undergo sex reassignment surgery as quickly as possible and want their new genitals to resemble as closely as possible the female genitals they love and idealize. After surgery, these transsexuals are not only relieved to be rid of their male genitals but are delighted with their female-appearing genitals and are often eager to display them to other people. In contrast to that of the homosexual MtF transsexuals, who often seem indifferent or ambivalent about undergoing sex reassignment surgery. One of my homosexual MtF transsexual patients who had undergone surgery was, for example, unwilling to perform vaginal dilation because she regarded her new female genitals as 'too ugly' to look at or touch.”i don't get how people can read this and think that AGP is a sexual orientation. it says it right there that the AGPs are attracted to female genitalia… and the homosexual men are not. that is what sexual orientation is - either male, female or both. some people have sexual or mental disorders that prevent this from being straight forward but that's separate from orientation, surely?
i also found this quote interesting because it seems to me that AGPs are the ones most likely to keep their dicks and the HSTS more likely to get the chop. maybe things have changed since the quoted observations have made, or maybe i've gotten the wrong impression.
ngl i'm further away from understanding AGP after reading this. I agree with your summary but didn't get the same message from the article you linked to.
my feeling is it's being made into something far more complicated than it is, deliberately. the more psychologically complex, the more justified it might seem. when like you say, these are men seeing women's bodies as possessions that they can buy and wear. it's not a sexual orientation. the article acknowledges the narcissism but then takes what they say at face value.
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>>2227708Speaking as an almost old woman (early 30’s) I’ve also noticed that women my age and a bit older tend to have the most
toxic internalised misogyny, and are most accepting of male depravity because “well, what can you do?”. I guess it’s because the ‘feminism’ we grew up with was liberal/choice/coolgirl feminism and many of us had never even heard of other forms of feminism and/or take the rights that older generations of women won for us completely for granted. Feminism was Charlie’s Angels and Hooters and Paris Hilton. These women are empowered because they’re not housewives, see? They earn their own money and spend it all on brand name stilettos, cosmetic surgery and makeup because that’s Their Choice. That’s Feminism(TM)! Also some stuff about voting I guess but who cares about that. These women see an anorexic HSTS with a thick layer of makeup, giant fake breasts, a sparkly minidress and stripper heels and unironically think he’s womaning harder than they are because we spent our formative years being told that that’s what the ideal woman looks like.
I only found out about radical feminism when I reached peak trans and suddenly everything clicked into place. I never identified with ‘feminism’ before that because the only kind I was familiar with just felt like a whole lot of effort to appeal to men, on top of having to do everything men also do. Unfortunately most other millennial women I know who are becoming disillusioned with Sexy Girlboss Feminism(TM) are sliding down the trad pipeline instead.
>>2227728>it seems to me that AGPs are the ones most likely to keep their dicks and the HSTS more likely to get the chopMy theory is that it isn’t so much a matter of AGP vs. HSTS but rather of how delusional they are. Any remotely self-aware HSTS will keep his penis because he knows that his main sexual appeal to other men lies in being a ‘chick with a dick’. Only HSTS who are delusional enough to 1) think they can truly pass as a woman and 2) believe surgery can give them a realistic vagina will risk getting the chop, because they think it will make them indistinguishable from real women and allow them to attract straight men. If they do get the surgery, it will purely be as a means to an end and they don’t get any enjoyment out of it themselves.
Likewise, most AGPs know very well that they’re acting out a fetish and that the whole point of their trans identification is sexual gratification. Only the ones who are so coombrained that have become desensitised to everything else and can’t stop chasing that dragon will get the chop because they’ve memed themselves into thinking they’ll still be able to get off afterwards, and that actually their orgasms will be even better because [insert porn reasons]. Most of them seem to redirect their sexual fixation elsewhere before they reach that point. Personally I think their ‘girldick’ rhetoric serves as much as a tool of self-preservation as a justification towards the outside world. Deep down they know that once they cut their dick off, the whole exercise will have been for nothing. Only the truly unhinged ones who’ve completely rewired their brain through porn consumption can ever be satisfied with a fauxgina and from what I’ve seen, most of them end up with substance abuse problems anyway.
No. 2227856
>>2227759Exactly, millenials have been fed a lie that female sexuality is just like male sexuality (you need to believe this for choice feminism to work) and some of them
still hold onto this belief like their lives depends on it. Radical feminism has less reach so it's not surprising millenial women fall back on trad ideals when they're absolutely done with 3rd wave bullshit
>>2227728>it's not a sexual orientationIt really isn't. I've read a lot of points in favor of it and it never makes sense. Most of the time they just repeat 'Blanchard said…' like he's scripture, and flail when people confront them. It's mostly AGP men peddling this (surprise). They behave exactly like edgy straight 'queers' or NAMBLA men who want to shove their sexual penchants under the gay rights movement umbrella.
>the female genitals they love and idealizeOh, they love that 'AGP is about falling in love with an idealized female self' point even if it makes absolutely no sense to be 'in love' with yourself or a rotpocket/breast plate/clothing. It's a fetish, it's not 'inborn' like some of them argue, it's not an orientation. I find that exploring psychological mechanisms behind fetish is interesting and useful, but it shouldn't be in service of legitimizing dysfunctional male heterosexuality. I feel for the woman behind the article, i wonder if she knows that the guy she's citing (Lawrence) has a vested interest in misrepresenting his fetish. This is the guy who said teenage AGPs should be castrated for their own good kek, Blanchard orbiters are creepy
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the discussion around this tif is so silly. it doesn’t matter how well she passes, she’s still female. they keep using “so you’re saying a woman can look like that….RETARD!!” Like it’s some kind of gotcha but it just shows how backwards and regressive they are
No. 2227970
>>2227954kek their logic is baffling. the reason why it's so focused on "men-in-dresses" is because those men in dresses are the loudest and most obnoxious of the bunch. it's not just "anti-trans" focusing on them. it's every TRA crying "w-w-what about twans women!" completely unwarranted in every conversation because they're all undercover MRAs. they are the ones making a mockery of their own talking points, quite literally
>>2227609 this picture is a perfect example of that.
tifs are practically ignored in most of their own discussions in their cult because male tard rage is loud and obnoxious and unavoidable. what a fucking retard, THEY are the one who act like tifs don't exist.
No. 2227994
>>2227952NTAYRT, ignore the baiter but 'half' isn't a shocking estimate, people look the other way in child abuse cases and say they had 'no idea'. But it's not really caused by women's misogyny. It has to do with potential consequences for speaking up, women's dependence and submission to men
and their committment to maintaining relationships (especially family) at all costs, even if it's detrimental to their children.
>>2227716Thanks a lot nona, i'm safe now and far away from this guy.
>it fucking sucks to deal withAbsolutely, i wish it was taken seriously by authorities. Best wishes to you, it looks like he'll just keep trying to find your socials but you can take measures against this
No. 2228013
>>2227970>the reason why it's so focused on "men-in-dresses" is because those men in dresses are the loudest and most obnoxious of the bunchwhilst that's true i think the reason why it's so focused on men is because they are a threat. a woman who passes as a man, or one who doesn't for that matter, is not a "threat" to men in the male toilets or changing rooms - she is at risk herself.
yes i would not like to see a TIF who passes like this in the woman's bathroom, assuming she really did come across like a man, but not because she is trans. because in this hypothetical situation she passes so well that people mistake her for a man in a woman's space. but my understanding is she wouldn't want to use that space, so it's a stupid argument.
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>>2227954This is just proof that TRA do not ever see the real arguments of terfs. No
terf is struggling with saying a decently passing woman is still a woman. The argument has always been "dress however you like" your sex is just still the same. It's literally the first thing said in the tweet that they decided JKR was trans enemy no.1 over. Yet they are acting as if terfs are struggling with the impossible task of saying a woman is a woman because she has a beard now.
But the good thing about it is that it's also why TRA always lose in debates against terfs and GC people, they have no idea what to say when the arguments they meet are compassionate, reasonable, logial and based in science. They assume terfs are some sort of bogeyman out of touch boomer bigoted karens.
No. 2228694
>>2228433my boyfriend. i hadn't fully peaked until we were well into the relationship so i was worried, but a few months after peaking i started bringing up this stuff. he had previously given off TRA vibes and has several (at least 3) TIMs he regards as friends, but never seemed like the type to actually troon out. after hearing me talk about it enough he's totally switched sides, refers to himself as a feminist and completely understands my disdain for troons. he never argued about it with me, just heard my side of the story and now recognizes how much of a problem trannies are despite him used to being the type to defend them. just yesterday i said "i'm glad i peaked you" and he didn't deny it or anything. i can't talk about this stuff with anybody else and i'm glad he didn't disown me when i admitted to him that i hated trans people.to answer your question how i did it, first off i had to be comfortable and secure enough in the idea of gently breaking the ice ever so slowly. i started off soft, talked about my experiences with actual trans people, people i know personally who have done horrible things and then trooned out later, TRAs i've known long enough where i saw their previous incel phases.
i explained the double standards and hypocrisy in the troon movement. i compared the situation with two separate musicians (a troon and a woman): the skinwalker macon horner and his pedophilic, horrendously misogynistic troon rants on tumblr… him getting absolutely no hate for it and keeping his fanbase while on the other hand roisin murphy making a slight remark about how kids shouldn't immediately be granted medical access to transitioning at a young age, and how much shit she got for it. and she got a LOT of shit for it. i talked about how much hatred women get as a whole for any slight criticism towards troonery while a male can be a creep, a deviant, a sex-pest and can get away with it as long as he's a troon.
i also talked about how the conversation has always seemed to revolve around TIMs in particular, it's always "trans woman this, trans woman that". i used a lot of evidence-based approaches and examples. i basically slowly unveiled the obvious fact that the trans movement is just a MRA movement in disguise and that people are being further enforced into gender roles.
i eventually pointed out and connected the dots for him that the troon movement operates like a modern day religious cult. anyone who says a slight criticism is labeled as a
terf, a transphobe, a "nonbeliever" if you will. i regularly drew parallels to the cult like behavior, showing how obvious the cult parallels are.
over time it became easier to discuss talking points such as how their "gender-affirming" surgeries are doing nothing for them but damaging their health and is just a re-branded plastic surgery addiction. i talked about how women can barely get help from doctors yet troons are able to get surgeries upon surgeries because of "muh dysphoria" and how unjust it all is and how it's just another scam for doctors to take money from the mentally ill and botch them and fool people into thinking these surgeries will do anything for them.
some tips involve being gentle with the language at first, i started with more sensitive language at the beginning but now i use the proper terms for everything and i taught him what a TIM and a TIF is. it's also helpful if you're familiar enough with the person. if they aren't the type to think and black and white enough to immediately disown you over an opinion, if they know you well enough to understand your point of view. if they are the type of person who are willing to listen to things and not shut out what they don’t want to hear, ACTUALLY open-minded people. also in my experience it helps if they have the context of you as a person, who you are, who you knew, ect. we both used to know someone who was a total POS, and it was no surprised that scrote was the loudest TRA i knew. so i would talk about my experiences with the bullshit double standards and how it just seemed like he only cared about being "woke" and "PC" but was happy to constantly be misogynistic when it suited his agenda and would shit on everything JKR would say… stuff like that. i hope this helps at all. it was a slow process but i'm happy overall with the results.
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>>2228433>>2228694Thank you for the detailed explanation nona! I'm happy for you that you peaked your bf and I'm working on doing the same. Luckily my bf is a normie so he's barely even heard of troons, so far it's been easy to here and there point out their cult like and gross behaviors when I see it. So far he's reaction has just been to casually agree.
I'm actually having a harder time peaking my dad, not because he buys into troon stuff but because he believes I'm making it all up and it's not even happening in the first place. I think it would take him meeting an actual troon for things to click into place that it's real.
The absolute best peaking attempt reaction I've had was my own brother. He's an autist so I was fearing the worst, that he'd eventually end up trooning out… Turns out he had already peaked on his own without me knowing! So we both just ended up bonding over how insane troonism is.
No. 2230171
>>2227759>I only found out about radical feminism when I reached peak trans and suddenly everything clicked into place. I never identified with ‘feminism’ before that because the only kind I was familiar with just felt like a whole lot of effort to appeal to men, on top of having to do everything men also do.NTA but I definitely understand this feeling. I actually considered myself an anti-feminist and went through a cringe anti-sjw phase before finding radical feminism in my late twenties. When I did find it, and read theory, I realised that my gripe with feminism was limited to the SJW feminism of the 2010s. It's wreaked such havoc on women at this point I'm convinced buzzfeed feminism was specifically planted by the government to divide us as women, kek.
>>2228433I've made some comments up thread about this. I wouldn't say I've necessarily peaked anyone, but rather I just gave friends the space to talk about these things openly with me. I'm not out here to change minds, but helping women realise their feelings are real, that yeah troons are kinda weird and creepy, can be a weight off their shoulders. In my other comment I mentioned that the best way to go is to deconstruct their ideas the way you deconstruct people in religious cults. Be curious and understanding, keep your tone even and open, ask them questions. Lots of questions. Ask so many questions before you feel you've hooked them, then you offer the subtle suggestions. These don't happen over a single conversation, they happen over many of them. The main thing you need is patience and empathy. People don't want to confront uncomfortable truths about themselves, or believe what they had believed was wrong, and when you come at them with judgement it's only going to further reinforce that. You need to allow them a safe place to come to these ideas on their own. This is also how I guess, I know I'm on the right side of things. I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, I'm just allowing them to unlearn it.
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>>2229457>I'm actually having a harder time peaking my dad, not because he buys into troon stuff but because he believes I'm making it all up and it's not even happening in the first place. I think it would take him meeting an actual troon for things to click into place that it's real.that makes sense, honestly in the very early days of me attempting at peaking him he didn't
not believe me, but he would occasionally stay stuff like "i've never seen that happen" which would bother me, so it made me come back a few days later with the argument "of course you don't see it, you're not being threatened by it every day" or "it's not as clear to you but just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening." or "i've been exposed to this online because i've spent a lot of time online in female spaces, where we are the ones at threat", citing examples, and i'd even start showing him screenshots from here of tweets by actual troons and them being mask off about how much they want to rape women. honestly if your dad doesn't go online and is the type to ignore this stuff, it would make sense that's his stance since he's a man who doesn't get exposed to this stuff and wouldn't ever be preyed on by a troon. i keep wanting to suggest inviting him out to meet a troon as one of your "friends" and his opinion would change overnight KEK but that would be too much work, i agree his mind would probably change if he met one. maybe you can just expose him to the realities of this stuff as much as you can to show him that it is absolutely real. but parents are stubborn of course. i wish you luck!
>The absolute best peaking attempt reaction I've had was my own brother. He's an autist so I was fearing the worst, that he'd eventually end up trooning out… Turns out he had already peaked on his own without me knowing! So we both just ended up bonding over how insane troonism is.KEK that's amazing, i love that for you nona
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"Gain self respect by becoming a predator" kek alright
From a post telling trans women to adopt feminist theory instead of having low self esteem
No. 2230468
>>2229457>>2230396I managed to peak my dad by using exclusively legal and medical cases, he didn't give a shit about anecdotal social things like how TiMs are usually just creepy misogynists. We went from "modern day trans people don't have to have hormones or surgeries to legally be the opposite sex" to "there's multiple lawsuits in the USA where intact trans women have impregnated real women in female prisons" to "the head of WPATH is a TiM
(he caught this as an obvious conflict of interest) who makes literal millions off of SRS surgeries, and demands that anybody working on the care guidelines MUST be an advocate for medical transition," etc etc etc. The recent Olympics kerfuffle helped too, sometimes troons in sports comes up on the radio. It's obvious to anybody with a brain that people who have ever had an excess of testosterone should stay out of women's competitive sports.
I expected my mom to be harder to peak because she became something of a cheerleader when I came out to her as bi, as well as had an old-school HSTS TiM coworker who she described as "just a normal lady, bit ugly though", but she's also into running so the sports debate did it for me. She's in the "live and let live, but be reasonable" camp.
No. 2230737
>>2230463>wonder why they hate chasers tbh i think it's all part of their faux womanhood performance. here they have a man treating them in a
what they think is a similar way to how creeps harass and objectify women (except for them it's not physically threatening), and that's validating to them. plus they get to be all "noOOooOo don't objectify us!!"
No. 2230750
>>2230468my dad peaked over the sports stuff. he watches pretty much all the sports and heard about some of the high profile TIMs-winning-women's-medals cases. so he already
knew it was happening, but was still totally confused by it all. when I explained to him that HE himself or any man he knows could literally just put on some lipstick, say he is a woman now and magically become eligible to compete against women in his sport. and then I told him this included the changing rooms too, and he was really disturbed. because men know what other men are like.
my mum was already peaked because we laugh together at the ridiculous middle aged AGP men in fishnets that we see around at the supermarket etc. and has a friend that was fired for raising concerns about women and children's safety in her institution, following new "trans-friendly" changes. she is really horrified by the lack of safeguarding for children, especially.
No. 2230823
>>2230580Trans ideology is racist. They literally compare their fake struggles to slavery, the holocaust and racism while ignoring the violence in their own community that is being inflicted to minorities kek. No one gives a fuck about black gay trannies, despite them being the demographic being killed on a higher scale. The perfect poster
victim is apparently a white TIM from the suburbs who is genocide because he can’t walk with his cock out and can’t get lesbians to suck him off kek.
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Picrel is hilarious, you'd think that OP would be able to put 2 and 2 together but hey, it's a start.
>>2228433A couple of scrotes I know peaked from having daughters and being in the presence of troons. One peaked from seeing a TIF showing her mastectomy scars and being proud at how infected they were at the start, he couldn't fathom his own daughters seeking attention through that level of self harm, but he really fully peaked after chatting to a TIM for 20 seconds in line for food when he mentioned he had daughters and the TIM asked how far they were from 18 and made a hilarious comment about how women can't be pedos.
Other moid peaked when his daughter, who was about 3 weeks old, made a face at a TIM while they were waiting to cross the road and he asked if she wanted to be his wife. Technically this was the start of his peaking journey. I thought it was weird that he peaked from that one interaction since he'd laughed it off when other moids and women cooed over his newborn daughter being a flirt for staring in the direction of a man, but apparently the TIM was so immensely creepy that it made him genuinely fear for her safety.
IRL troon exposure really is the best and fastest way to peak.
No. 2231018
>>2230944one of my colleagues once brought up how psychopaths are overrepresented among surgeons and that rings true from her experience of the surgeons at the hospital. then the conversation got onto how they often push experimental and unnecessary surgeries, and she wouldn't trust a surgeon who recommended something not well-established or with high risk + failure rates (she used examples of gynaecological procedures). i was dying to bring up the surgery that is now being offered to
healthy children that is beyond unnecessary but was surrounded by too many "be kind" types. most people know these things are wrong but some just stop short before applying the same thinking to anything trans-related.
no offence to any surgeons or training-to-be surgeons btw, most aren't bad.
>>2230760god that sucks so much. that poor woman, she should have her whole life ahead of her. i agree with the other reply that "the science isn't there yet" might be a good seed to plant. because it's true - it's still experimental. you could say it under the pretence of waiting until it's got a higher success rate. and hope she matures and comes to her sense before then.
No. 2231119
>>2228433Sorry if this isn't super positive and I don't know if I would call it peaking, but I made people who were already on the fence and against it for more of a "idk I just hate different people from me" and lumping in troons with gays start disliking it for the right reasons (eroding women's rights, gender stereotypes, clarifying that gay people are not the same as troons and are also being attacked by this shit, etc), and made some people who only believed in trutrans start gendering trannies correctly when we talked privately (previously they would still gender them by their delusions). I had someone tell me they felt scared to do it but that I made them feel safe, the brainwashing is so bad they were genuinely scared to even tell me that privately out of fear it would be used against them.
I also prevented my ex from trooning out by telling him it would be a terrible idea and explaining that he could be a feminine male and after many years he has never done it or brought up the idea again. I genuinely think if it wasn't for me his life would've been ruined by now and it sucks how he isn't even necessarily thankful and still has the whole bleeding heart liberal attitude about trannies despite listening to me about how it would be bad to troon out himself. It's like he understood it would be bad for him but still thinks it could be ok for other people so it's just frustrating.
I've also had some conversations with actual TRAs a lot in the past but the best I got was basically them tolerating my opinions and not immediately telling me to kill myself, and nowadays I honestly just don't bother because they would just try to cancel me and act like I'm the devil since that's been mostly my experience. It just feels like a lot of them (especially if they're really diehard about it) are just chasers or closet troons that haven't come out yet, so it's hard to reason with them.
No. 2231164
>>2231119I think that's pretty good progress nona! I think a lot of people are put off by troons but can't exactly say why because they've been told questioning it is transphobic and evil so they don't go there. So when you gently point out that their feeling of discomfort is
valid and you have the arguments to back it up they can finally allow their brain to explore the topic and peak.
And of course the ones who are active TRA aren't going to listen so not bothering is the best option.
No. 2231198
>>2231119nice one nona, you sound like you have a gift for putting points across gently.
>lumping in troons with gays start disliking it for the right reasons (eroding women's rights, gender stereotypes, clarifying that gay people are not the same as troons)makes me sad how many normies see all this annoying and regressive shit as an extension of gay rights and feminism gone too far. i've heard a lot of people refer to things that are specifically a gender ideology issue as "LGBT shit". i've had to point out the difference of the LGB and T to a conservative family member, who was previously fine with gay marriage etc.
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>Every person i know, bar none, has been immensely hotter after having transitioned than before.
Press (x) for doubt. Most of TRAs look like they have never seen a pic of their relatives or a skin-walking dressed as woman.
No. 2232975
>>2232654>pissing not passingkek. but can confirm, my job involves processing hospital info and any time it's a TIF (and sometimes i just know it's gonna be from the fact it's urology dept and the names are either Noah, Aiden, Felix, Blake etc.) she unfortunately has some seriously fucked up urinary issues and horrible back pain with nerve issues. at best it's some incontinence / pelvic floor dysfunction, but a lot of the time it's needing to use catheters long term and having balloon dilations for their postoperative strictures. many of them are self harming and depressed. many of them are wheelchair-bound but i don't know if that is just because of complications or because for some reason more disabled women become TIFs. either way, it makes me feel very sad, these are all young women. some are just already so far gone. I even came across one TIF doctor (a GP) who was experiencing all these problems, you would think she might be better informed but she drank the kool aid anyway.
>>2232830>if you are judging your self based on your feminised desirability then congrats that makes you a woman!absolutely vile misogynistic retards.
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https://x.com/caitIyns/status/1851349694804304094?t=0lDLZT0ojvKyUe_vuNkCQw&s=35Faggots ruined everything, also once again mistaking a sexist caricature for "gender expression"
No. 2233053
>>2232975Testosterone is rough on the body, to the point that men die earlier than women. Women who aren't evolved to carry the same amount testosterone as a man obviously get extra fucked up by it. Pissing themselves is just the beginning.
Peaking tip: when talking about tifs poor outcomes to woke people instead of saying it's them you're talking about, say it like "women who abuse anabolic steroids, to look more muscular". Because that's literally what it is, testosterone is an anabolic steroid. Frame it as if you're talking about female body builders and gym rats. These people are too stupid to realize you're talking about tifs too so you can freely talk about ALL the bad things and how horrible it is and they just accept it and agree it's bad. Then only at the end do you add "and scary how tifs take even MORE anabolic steroids than they do and more consistently, I do not envy their medicalized future…".
They'll either try to do some light protesting or they'll just accept it and start to peak a little bit. At best they'll come back with "b-but that's d-different…" but as long as you reply with a neutral tone "Im afraid not, their bodies are still female" then that usually shuts them up.
No. 2233407
>>2231164>>2231198Thanks nonnas, I appreciate it.
>makes me sad how many normies see all this annoying and regressive shit as an extension of gay rights and feminism gone too far.Yeah, this is what I tried to do too, it really sucks that gay people (and gnc people) automatically get lumped in with this crap. I always try to reinforce as much as I can that I like gnc people and that you shouldn't have to be trans to dress the way you want to.
>>2233331I've had to deal with a similar situation and it really sucks. It's like you can enjoy talking to him but in the back of your mind you're thinking oh he sees me as a set of stereotypes and would hate me if he knew my beliefs so you end up having a weird cognitive dissonance and never feeling truly connected because of it like you would with a normal friend that doesn't believe in this crazy shit. I just end up distancing myself from them inevitably if I feel they're like this and have gone too far to the point where I don't really feel like the friendship is worth preserving at all if I'm constantly feeling uncomfortable.
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Mutilating a childrens doll.. totally sane. It looks gnarly and out of place.
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>>2234118So basically, they made sure the feminine "non-binary" doll had her chest mutilated, her hair cut short into a more boyish style and changed her fashion to be less feminine and more boyish. So she could look more "non-binary". Because they couldn't just have a doll look like a normal girl, she has to look visibly "non-binary" according to the cult. They're now the ones pushing gender roles having to look a certain way. How do they not see how silly that is?
Also it's so dystopian that in the middle of the trans medical scandal era a toy company made the frankenstein doll that is stitched up with mutilated body parts and THAT's the one they chose to make trans. It's so insane I half-suspect a GC person did it out of spite. Wouldn't surprise me if the next generation cancel the company over this doll, it's celebrating mutilation of children and then selling it directly to those actually mutilated children.
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What are some bands or musicians that TIFs are into vs bands or musicians that TIMs are into?
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reposting this from the mtf thread, this is a comic series I found wghich gives a great insight into the agp mentality before the popular terms existed. It's called 'my inner bimbo' by sam keith, it's about a 60 year old man with a job he hates, failed marriage, porn addiction and huge neurotic insecurities, one day his "bimbo self" comes out of him, he regularly has sex with that self and sometimes turns into her (this was all metaphorical) that bimbo form take on different archetypes with which he debates, there are also many sections on the comic debating porn and feminism, the end conclusion however is that protagonist cannot live in a fantasy, and that while he's a pathetic degenerate, fantasy isn't an option and he has to live in the world, this is from 2009 but I think if this were written just a few years later the character would be trans
here's the comic
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/My-Inner-Bimbo/Issue-1?id=146991&s=&readType=1 No. 2235087
>>2235027I'm into heavy metal and the metal scene has a gross number of troon fans in it. It's edgy so some tifs like it so they can larp as males, and tims like it because they're regular males liking a male dominated genre.
What annoys me the most is that the songs can literally be about violence in detail, rape and gore and it's all totally fine and accepted. The darkness and the provocation is part of it. But call a troon their real sex or a tim he/him, and THAT is somehow going too far for these people? That's seriously where the line goes? Get fucking real.
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>>2235083i have just skimmed and it looks very like a very dense and layered read, not sure i'll be able to get through it or comprehend fully but it's definitely interesting. but from what i saw, he seems to do a better job at representing (at least) some feminist arguments than the attempts of any troon / AGP I've seen before. probably because there is less denial involved.
No. 2235246
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>sister has decided to cut her breasts off because she is non-binary
>can't question her decision because it will massively upset her and I will probably just be cut out of her life
>tried talking to our mother about it and got told I need to call the surgery "top surgery" and not a bilateral mastectomy because that might be rude
>our mother says it's my sister's body, and she can do what she likes with it
>don't necessarily disagree with that point, but am very worried about it going poorly because she is very high strung and already struggles with body issues
>don't push the issue because there's already enough tension
>each month getting closer to her consultation and then the surgery
>feel like I'm watching her get onto a train and crash it and there's nothing I can do about it
I feel really conflicted, she's my sister and I love her and want her to be happy but I'm afraid that what she's doing isn't going to provide the happiness she thinks it will. I hate that she's emotionally infantilized herself to the point that she seems to be unable to have difficult conversations or entertain difficult topics. She's otherwise much more stable than I am, she has a full time job and her own house and social supports, but talking to her feels like I'm talking to a child. I understand being sensitive, and setting boundaries to be able to maintain mental health, but it feels like she's using those boundaries like blinders sometimes and I feel confounded as to what to do. I want to respect her autonomy and the choices she makes for herself, and I do what I can to make her comfortable (i.e. calling her "they") because I care about her feeling good about herself and that does genuinely seem to please her. However, I feel like now I'm in a spot where I can't even question her decision without being immediately branded as a hateful person who doesn't care about her, even if my intentions are just to sort of help her feel out what's going on.
And sure, she may have done that and I understand she is a mature adult, but something just feels off to me in all this, given her history. I just want the best for her, and I sort of feel powerless to help either way. At a certain point I just have to accept that she's an adult and as much as it sucks, I have to learn to let her make her own mistakes.
No. 2235248
>>2235246that is devastating, i'm sorry
nonnie. sending hope your way
No. 2235567
>>2235083Interesting, I'll have to give this a look. I know Sam Kieth from The Maxx mostly, and I've always liked his art.
>>2235087I'm into metal too, and I definitely feel like some subgenres get more TIMs than others. TIMs seem to gravitate to a lot of goregrind/pornogrind, unsurprisingly, though I've seen them into black metal too. Fun fact, "Marissa" Martinez, who was briefly with the band Repulsion for a while, used to post on the Relapse Records messageboard under the screenname Mister Fister (a surprising name fore a troon, I know). His real name is Dan, he's worked at Lucasfilm for at least 15 years, and he was obsessed with that weird latex pornographic photography where women wear skintight latex body suits and gas masks, and pose like furniture. In hindsight, him trooning was no shock. That shitty pornogrind band XXX Maniak had a troon in it too.
No. 2235688
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when will it end
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No. 2235716
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>>2235688The Charles Moser autogynephilia study constantly being touted around as proof of women being autogynephiles themselves pisses me off constantly because of how bad the study was, and how obvious it makes it that these people don't read this shit before they jump on twitter and post about it.
It was run on only 29 women, all but one or two of them straight, and the author never even says "look! all these women get off to the idea of being female too!!!" in his conclusion he says "some women think dressing femininely is sexually attractive too, this makes them AGP according to Blanchard" because he was trying to make a point against Blanchard's autogynephilia classification for males. That's why he says that 93% of women are AGP. But that falls flat when you consider the size of the group, and how bad the questions were (most of them are about wearing actual lingerie and/or getting aroused at the thought of sex with a partner) and that around half of the answers were "never".
Picrel is the question and responses table, for reference. Notice how out of 227 given answers, only 25 of them answered "frequently", and the AGP catch question about dressing up before masturbation has NO "frequent" responses, and the highest amount of "never" responses.
No. 2235751
>>2235246I don't understand how people like this manage to hold down full time jobs and have houses. Like she's insane enough to want to cut her functional body parts off because of a delusion but she somehow functions well in society otherwise, it's so bizarre to me. I know a guy who in a similar way had a pretty normie life in terms of experiences, had gfs, friends, full time jobs, went outside, more mentally stable and a better upbringing than me but somehow still trooned out the second he was unemployed for like what, 2 or 3 months? And it's only been downhill ever since. In his case I genuinely don't give a shit if he has the surgery though since he's an agp.
But yeah that sounds like a terrible situation to be in if it's your sister. I feel like this whole "respecting autonomy" thing can only go so far, people always say that for when women make bad choices for example ("it's her choice you have to respect her autonomy!") and it's just like…Sure it's her choice, but it's a RETARDED choice kek. Just like it's my choice if I choose to go do drugs and cut myself but that doesn't mean it's a good idea and that it shouldn't be stopped. Even mature adults make terrible choices, it's like people forget there's interventions for adults and things like alcoholism and drug abuse. And hrt and all this shit is basically just self harm and drug abuse masked as progressive
No. 2235761
>>2235758Samefag even the most pick me moid pandering women I've seen who have OF and love being degenerates or whatever else still don't come close to the average agp's (or even average male's) sexual perversions and the way they each talk about their bodies is completely different. You can literally clock and agp just by what they say and what they wear, they're usually skinwalking whatever woman gave them a boner in highschool and act like the female body (that they'll never have) is this magical thing while an actual woman doesn't. It's just bullshit overall because women in general will never be on the same level as men when it comes to sexual deviancy and troons just keep coping and pretending like we are as if every single sex crime statistic doesn't say otherwise. It's just a pathetic cope at this point and reminds me of when people say
femcels are just as bad as incels somehow, and that women and men are just as perverted as each other. It's simply never going to be true as much as men desperately want us to be brought down to their level.
No. 2235762
>>2235246>sister has decided to cut her breasts off because she is non-binary>can't question her decision because it will massively upset her and I will probably just be cut out of her lifeSorry it's happening to you nona. If it was me I would be open with not approving of it while letting her (and others) know I still love her, and that I would be thinking the same if she started taking drugs or became a full time nudist.
As the sibling you have a unique position to oppose her that parents feel they don't. Parents can get cut out more easily, but just a sibling getting cut out when the parents insist on keeping you both around means you'll always stay connected through them. In the long run it's going to help you sister more to have healthy boundaries, and calling a surgery for what it is is very reasonable.
I think you should challenge her. Ask her why non-binary has a set look, and why having female breasts can't be part of that. Ask her why getting rid of body parts somehow makes her more non-binary - and if it doesn't and she stays equally non-binary before and after the surgery then why is she doing it? If the conversation is making her uncomfortable and she can't talk about it, then that in of itself proves she hasn't thought enough about having the surgery vs not having it.
And tell your mom/parents that if she/they lets your sister get mutilated, YOU won't ever forgive her/them. You need to say those words "I'll always love you mom but if you let my sister get her breasts mutilated I won't ever forgive you for it." Create tension nona! Your sister is about to get mutilated, the tension is needed! And again, if she's made uncomfortable by the topic then that means she hasn't thought enough about it. These thoughts should have been throughly explored with everyone BEFORE having surgery.
No. 2235775
>>2235752Nta but we all know it's not the same thing. Feeling sexy, especially as the large gamete haver, means that you know you can attract a potential mate. Even female birds and frogs will sing songs specifically to attract males, it's how the species survives. Some species use dance, items, a well-built nest, giving food, or sound to attract their mates. Humans are very social creatures and have created different social signals for this too. Lingerie in of itself isn't "natural", but female humans using it as an item to attract males within the current social system is natural. Penguins don't have to give each other stones, but they do. So it's just being aware of your social assets and how to use them. Being turned on because you feel ready to find a mate is natural. Being turned off and starting to look for a mate is bizarre, you want to be ready and in the mood for it all for it to work.
The VERY few women I've seen who claim they are/were turned on by themselves (seeing themselves as males) and that played a role in their transition (they've since detransitioned) have all been autists. Every single one. I suspect they misinterpret the above, feeling sexy and ready to find a mate, with being turned on by themselves - due to the autism not understanding the difference in what the two means. One thing that makes me think that even more is that even though they saw themselves as gay men going after men, as soon as they detransitioned they also realized they're lesbians and into women. So my theory is then they were feeling sexy "as men" so they could attract the women they wanted a la butch style. But since they're also pornsick yaoi-loving autists they memed themselves into thinking they're gay men. Spend enough time in woke fujo spaces and it all checks out.
No. 2235833
>>2235246Shit, that's awful. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Can you point out how top surgeries get infected and botched so easily, maybe it'll be better for your sister to wait a little until she can find a doctor whose work makes her a true themby without dog ears?
Maybe YOU can troon out and scream twansphobia because you're nonbinary agender and you like your boobs and she's being transphobic for telling you that enbies should be flat. It might even make your sister rethink her decision if there's a possibility that the cult could get upset with her. If she crowdfunds an opinion from her fellow sheep and shows you the tweets, you can pop off on a tirade about how so and so are well known transphobic nazis who support Israel and that means all points are invalid because she's listening to the wrong people. Idk, out-retarding a retard isn't fun but it's the only thing that works when they're too lost in the sauce to listen to reason.
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Just found out that my much older libfem cousin's TIF daughter got the titchop a while ago. We're from a conservative country where trans is not a thing at all, but cousin lives in one of most trans bootlicking countries + her daughter was the classic quirky kpop loving type in an art college so I suppose it wasn't surprising. Now that she's demanding even more surgeries (don't know if she only wants hysterectomy or also frankendick), even her enabler parents are freaking out. The stupidest part of this story is that despite identifying as a big stronk man, the daughter still wants to live in female dorms, love how "gender" suddenly doesn't matter!! Her mom used to be a super handmaiden bragging about "her son" on social media so I have a lot of bitterness about this, idk what to feel now that she's waking up and regretting everything. I just hate that hearing this story scarred my clueless mom who didn't know about the extent of trans craziness until now.
No. 2236532
>>2235248thanks nonna
>>2235598>>2235762I've considered being more forward with our mother, but ultimately she wouldn't be any more able to change my sister's mind than I am. She used to work as a nurse, so she's plenty aware that surgeries are risky and that potential negative outcomes are possible. She's even going to spend time with my sister during her recovery to ensure everything goes as well as it can. I think she's in a similar place as I am, where she feels like she's walking on eggshells. There are topics where they just don't even talk about things over a decade old because it would just get too emotionally volatile for any productive discussion to happen.
>>2235751she works in a very transgender friendly job, and her entire social circle is pretty much entirely transgender people. A lot of it, I think, is because she has ocd and deals with it by just working a lot and smoking weed.
> feel like this whole "respecting autonomy" thing can only go so far, people always say that for when women make bad choices for example ("it's her choice you have to respect her autonomy!") and it's just like…Sure it's her choice, but it's a RETARDED choice kek.That's sort of how it feels. An intervention would be helpful if she was open to considering changing her mind, but any pushback just further solidifies her resolve. I can understand, I used to struggle with an eating disorder and I was only able to change when I felt I had to after being hospitalized a few times. If the surgery is what it takes for my sister to change her mind, then words certainly aren't going to change it.
And speaking of self harm and drugs, my sister has lots of tattoos to cover up self harm scars, lots of piercings, has a history of drug use, etc. and I find myself wondering what kind of fucking doctor OKs a patient like that for an elective surgery like this? Without digging into it at all? It feels wildly irresponsible, and it's surreal that it's something that's held up as something to be celebrated.
No. 2236536
>>2236358>>2236364They're bisexual with a preference for men and/or would rather be in a long-term relationship with a man for whatever reason.
> I think a lot of them call themselves lesbians to try to fit in with the broader detrans community, which contains a lot of actual lesbiansYes.
>>2235775>So my theory is then they were feeling sexy "as men" so they could attract the women they wanted a la butch styleYes, so many people (straight, gay, female, male) do this, i don't know why they think they're any different. Maybe it's because they assume that since they're autistic they must be autosexual too. Even the genuinely sexually 'odd' het women have a certain type of mate and dynamic in mind when they LARP as male, and primarily focus on a potential lover in their writings. The same cannot be said of severely affected AGPs who are noticeably more autistic and alone in their fantasies. I've never seen a TiF eyefuck herself with fetish gear on the way AGP troons do, even the ones who claim AAP can't shut up about what kind of bf they want and how cute they'd be together kek
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This made me chuckle
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>>2191829I have no idea who he was and still barely know why he’s famous I found this funny tidbit of troon on troon crime. Andrew looks like Harrison Ford in a wig so saying he looks like honter had me cackling.
No. 2237344
>>2236532>she works in a very transgender friendly job, and her entire social circle is pretty much entirely transgender people.I see, that makes sense. It's similar to what the guy I mentioned in my post is like, he pretty much immediately surrounded himself with other trans people after coming out to the point where most of his social circle now is basically handmaidens and other agp troons. I do agree an intervention wouldn't really stop her at this point.
>and I find myself wondering what kind of fucking doctor OKs a patient like thatYeah, it's fucked. Even the doctors that might care would probably get called transphobic or get fired if they denied "trans life saving care", but a lot of them genuinely don't care and just want to keep making money. It's just the modern day lobotomy in the end.
>>2237069Guess I need to start doing this so I can get jobs easier
No. 2237398
>>2237233Cult survivors often end up in a different cult so this checks out.
>>2237243I think this was supposed to be a joke, hence ‘quipped’. Dude is a SNL alum, isn’t he?
No. 2237696
>>2237648Illness forums are like a beacon to them, please come in and spend more time talking about your gender than the issue at hand. Don't forget to slowly list at least 5 other illnesses you totally have or suspect too and anything else going on in your life that makes you a
victim. The less on topic the better. I think it's because communities like that are more likely to run high on empathy, have good intentioned extra rules around not being an ass to other users because of the sensitivity of the subject matter (under the assumption most people will roughly stay on that topic) which they don't.
They have their hugboxes already but those are full of other trannies. They wanna stand out and be the resident tranposter somewhere where even in this trans-explosion time.. it still makes them feel like they stand out. They're usually illness collectors that get to make their way through diff forums retelling the whole backstory of their gender every time
No. 2237796
>>2236074If it's not already on their radar given their new concerns, some of the cases where women have put themselves through several stages of the franken dick surgery (with whatever revisions needed in between the actual surgeries, there's always revisions) that might fully wake em up
The ones where it's just countless added on fixer surgeries which they weren't warned are pretty commonly needed, another round of recovery, catheters, new set of complications, lasting incontinence, don't worry thats normal, just piss yourself for a few months and it'll be fixed in the next stage, aww shit you need aanother surgery to fix something this one caused. Sometimes spending the guts of two years of their still young life living in a diaper and in and out of hospital only to die of a raging neglected infection after having the same area operated on over and over again. Cherry on top, their beloved community won't pretend to grieve for those women because it's not a good look.
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It's probably unintentional, but I feel like this post encapsulates the reasons that ftms and mtfs transition, respectively.
No. 2237953
>>2236074Jesus, that's what you get for being an enabler. It's not your job to be the family therapist, if your TIF cousin gets a frankendick and pisses herself constantly for years that's her problem. Her parents can deal with their 'son' and her self inflicted bullshit. God I hope she gets kicked out of the female dorms for being a boiii and has to live in the actual moid dorms. I'm sure there's some gay moids there who'll be happy to accept her into their fold, Le Diner de Cons style.
>>2237233'It's not a cult because they said it isn't!'
>>2237870Yeah, that pretty much covers it.
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This insufferable NLOG bitch keeps showing up in my reels.
No. 2238018
>>2238010It's funny because in their coomer fantasies, that's what they expect. Big titty anime waifus and bishie prettyboys.
It goes hand-in-hand for people having ridiculously idealized versions of what the opposite sex is like.
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>>2238179He wrote a book about it too called "White Gitl Within". Geez, what an original title.
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they are so fucking dramatic. you are white men living in a first world country, you're not getting put into any fucking camps. this is an insult to all actual genocide survivors. i'm so sick of their whining.
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A guy I know (he's a "friend" from school but we barely even talk) has an extremely libfem sister that identifies as agender and she changed her name into Christ. Yes, her brother calls her Christ. Short for Christopher I guess.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>A shocking new development has emerged in the case of Algerian boxer Imane Khelif after a French journalist reportedly gained access to a damning medical report revealing Khelif has “testicles.” The news comes months after Khelif seized a gold medal in women’s boxing at the Paris Olympics.>The report was drafted in June of 2023 via a collaboration between the Kremlin-Bicêtre hospital in Paris, France, and the Mohamed Lamine Debaghine hospital in Algiers, Algeria. Drafted by expert endocrinologists Soumaya Fedala and Jacques Young, the report reveals that Khelif is impacted by 5-alpha reductase deficiency, a disorder of sexual development that is only found in biological males.Not only a male, also an incest baby:
>According to Aoudia, the clinical report reveals that an MRI determined that Khelif had no uterus, but instead had internal testicles and a “micropenis” resembling an enlarged clitoris. A chromosomal test further confirmed that Khelif has an XY karyotype, while a hormone test found that Khelif had a testosterone level typical of males. Aoudia also noted that doctors suggested Khelif’s parents may have been blood relatives.https://reduxx.info/algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-has-xy-chromosomes-and-testicles-french-algerian-medical-report-admits/ No. 2238668
>>2238631>Imane the obvious man is a manPretends to be shook kek
>Imane is an incest babyWell at least that's new! The worrying part about that is IF the sporting world continues to put disordered men in female sports while pretending they're female they might encourage incest to have more of these micropenis males appear… I'm fearmongering a bit of course but it's deranged males we're talking about who already fight tooth and nail to put men into female sports as is
No. 2238679
>>2238674intersex is still sexed by doctors.
>no uterus>balls that never dropped>micropenisthat's a man.
No. 2238703
>>2238674Intersex is an outdated term, he's a male who's got a DSD (disorders/differences of sex development). For example a man born with a fully functional dick, but just one testicle instead of two, is equally as DSD/"intersex" as this guy is.
DSD in like 99,999% doesn't actually affect the sex of the person despite TRA trying to tell you otherwise. The only time it seems to matter is when the SRY gene is FULLY blocked so that male fetus ends up not being able to develop male at all and instead defaults to develop as female. That comes with other negative medical side effects though, so they still don't develop into a normal healthy female.
And even if a man has a DSD that causes him to have genitalia that looks female (which Imane doesn't, he has a visible micropenis), that's still exactly that - a man with genitalia that looks but isn't female. It's not women's job to make sure that men with wrongly developed genitals feel "included" or to coddle them, that's still a man so it's on the men to deal with their man issues. Just like it's not on women to coddle and include men who have surgery to butcher their penis into looking like a vagina, or men who had some freak accident and lost their penis that way, either.
No. 2238718
>>2238704It's really easy nona, just think of it like ANY other physical disorder!
Is a man born without a left hand not a man? Yes he is a man, he just doesn't have a left hand.
Is a woman born deaf not a woman because she can't hear? No, she's just a deaf woman.
Is a man born with 11 fingers total not a man? He's still a man, he just has an extra finger on one hand.
So why would having a physical disorder that affects your junk be any different?
There are only 2 sexes, and no matter how much you frankenstein it up, let's say you take the head of a man, the arms of a woman and the legs of another man and the belly from another woman… and you stitch them all together to make a person - then guess what? You'd still be able to see exactly what parts of the DNA are male and what is female. The arm DNA would be female, the head DNA would still be male. There is no "thirdmale", no third sex. There is no half-sperm-half-egg.
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Interacting with tifs feels like this when you’re a 5’10 butch
No. 2238944
>>2238940*that imane knew
fuck I can't type
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>>2238668I’m not super familiar with Algeria specifically but if it’s anything like a lot of other Arab/Muslim countries they don’t need to encourage incest any more than it already is, because first cousin marriage is practically the norm. I have friends who do medical research on certain recessive genetic congenital disorders (not DSDs though) and like 90% of their dataset are kids from Muslim immigrant families. You’re not really supposed to acknowledge it but it’s really very common.
>>2238923Same lmao. I am utterly unsurprised at this outcome honestly, I’m more surprised it was made public at all. All the handmaidens I know who were caping for this Brave and Stunning lady are being really quiet right now for some reason.
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God grant me the patience to not have my Reddit account banned again
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>>2239278>cyberbullyingYou can't make this shit up. We live in a meme world.
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>>2238179Honestly being transracial makes more sense than being transgender. Especially from
POC-to-white. People are nicer and more patient if you are lighter. Makeup and beauty is easier to find and apply if you are pale. We just lack the technology to make passing easier. We could seriously reduce racism malding and discourse if it was easier to change ourselves. No more SJW stuff, just perfect assimilation.
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>>2238631Hope that JKR wrecks his shit.
I remember when back some months ago I was jumped on by (pseudo)lesbians because "you don't understand!! Butches look like that!!"
Like what, men?
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>the main advantage that normal women have over c*s women
Is called not being a pos.
No. 2239469
>>2238386I'd love to hear milkeyedsoul's reasoning for saying that a grown man wearing clothes last worn by a 14 year old in 2007 is anything but amazing transfem representation. What sort of trans women should participate in documentaries? The kind who skinwalk their wives and female relatives instead of their childhood crushes?
>>2238565She's smart, she knew everyone would go 'Christ, what happened to you?' after whatever retarded body modifications and surgery the cult ordered her to get,and picked her name accordingly.
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Tired of this
No. 2239777
>>2239763the denialists in that thread are something else
like wtf totally mental
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No. 2239807
>>2239759I mean, it's not his fault he was born this way, i'd say that's one
valid reason to feel a little bad for him, except he let woman who tried to call him out take a lot of harassment. His parents really did do him dirty.
>>2239795One thing i've noticed about trans rights activism is that recruiting people into troonery is one of the tools in their arsenal to increase their visibility. The more trans people there are, the more "
valid" the trans identity appears. It ties back to them re-writing history to prove that trans people have existed before the 1970s.
>>2239803An egg is somebody trans people speculate to be a troon in the closet. It's almost like gendie approved transvestigation.
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>>2239785Yeah I don't think the bleeding hearts who support people like Khelif wanna think about it this way but it's a grown adult male, broadcasted all around the world to hundreds of countries, beating up multiple women and getting clout, accolades, and praise for being able to beat up women the hardest and/or knock out women the fastest. Specifically, for being able to beat up women harder than women are able to beat up other women. That's what he and Lin Yu-Ting got medals, accolades, and hundreds of simping fans online for. You are a male, and you are better at beating up women than other women are, and you had the audacity to pretend to be female to do this, here's your olympic gold and a lifetime of glory for you and your country. And if a troon male had decided to do that at this year's olympics, he absolutely would have been allowed to as well.
>>2239795They all hugbox each other and lie to each other about how transition really and truly changes their bone structure, height, pelvic angle, walk, skin, face, hair, etc. so they start down the path believing they will legitimately start to look like a woman at some point. Then when they don't they keep going, thinking surely it will happen eventually, and the hugbox tells them oh they totally can see the changes! By the time they realize they will never actually look like or turn into a real woman it is too late and that's why 41% - picrel. This seems especially true with the early transitioners, but you see it all the time with the old hons too.
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>>2239838nta but if that nonna wants to have 'empathy' for intersex moid athletes she should try having empathy for this one (picrel) who actually did the right thing once he found out he was intersex due to actually having empathy for women. Your empathy for any moid should end once he knowingly abuses women and women's spaces.
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>>2239841I looked up his username and it appears so, anon. The dad was the one who pushed him into transitioning and the mom didn't agree.
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No. 2239925
>>2239778A lot of people just didn't know much about intersex conditions until this controversy, including me and other nonnas. I thought some women with intersex conditions could have more typically masculine features, but thanks to the threads here I learned that it's impossible. We also didn't want to be mean to what we thought could perhaps be a woman with unfortunate genetics.
>>2239504YWNBM (you will never be Majima)
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If a tranny stole my name posthumously I would absolutely haunt the shit out of them.
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>>2193146Related (though some bits are unrelated to troonism and related to general moidery). A lot of things match up, but I think it's interesting that one of the points that comes up in both texts is that lolicons are manchildren who desire to become an idealized and fetishized version of a little girl. And I don't just mean "fetish" in the sexual sense, but in its original sense, which is a thing that is attributed traits that it doesn't actually, inherently have. These men think little girls are pure, innocent and happy all the time, they're like angels (and not real people) according to lolicons. They think everything would be better if they had been born as girls because they attribute a bunch of subjective traits to this idealized little girl they worship.
>I am the young girl, the young girl is meReminds me of "I wanna be the little girl" kek it wasn't just a joke after all
No. 2240105
>>2239770>Algerians are not a bunch of mentally retarded people with sub-70 IQs, they know that girls grow breasts and have periods and don't grow beards in the course of normal development.Trust me as an Algerian woman I know plenty of Algerian people who aren't stupid but very uneducated because of how they were raised and Islam. I couldn't even tell my father I needed to get surgery without my mother freaking out and screaming that I was vulgar because I had to get a tumor removed in one of my breasts and she was disgusted I said the words "breast" in front of him. In the context of being at risk of breast cancer. Now imagine Imane's parents suspecting something but trying to not think too hard about it for similar reasons.
And I was talking about these two specific people here, not all Algerians. I don't consider people who think your chromosomes and hormones can change because you live in the mountains smart and Imane's parents happen to be just that.
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>>2239801Great stuff.
>>2239807>It's almost like gendie approved transvestigation>It's okay when WE do it!>>2239803>https://www.reddit.com/r/egg_irl>>2240079>on every level but physical I am a wolfThat bit was tailor-made to peak people.
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>>2240105Even the most uneducated people in the world who are completely illiterate and live in remote tribes still can tell the difference between male and female pubertal development, and this man was not living in a village his whole life, he moved to the city and was working with professional sports trainers. That was around 10 years ago now. I am not denying his family thought he was female or raised him female until age 10, 11, 12 or so, but after that they definitely knew he was not a normal female and he knew it too and his trainers and scouts knew it too.
In fact, it's been mentioned before in the thread but I can provide the actual screenshot and link if it helps, he and his family members openly admit that he was doing things that 'girls were not allowed to do' in his town and that's why he got scouted in the first place. Picrel. Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5442g3vxlo You really think these extremely uneducated and also 'backwards' and conservative muslims in a remote algerian village thought they had a regular daughter, but let her play soccer with the boys (although it was considered inappropriate for other girls in the village) as a child and then also allowed her to go on multiple hour round trips per day, alone, after collecting scrap metal, alone, to the big city by herself (or sometimes with a younger brother) on a daily basis to box? Sure she has said her father didn't approve of her boxing at first, but this provincial, conservative man let his young daughter go on round trips each day alone to box in the city despite disapproving?
And let's talk about this scout. This women's boxing scout, a person from the big city, was wandering through a remote rural village, and saw a young girl playing soccer, a totally very normal young girl who the scout believed to be a regular, biological female teenager, and thought 'oh, I just know that this young girl will be a champion boxer one day after seeing her playing soccer'?
It later came out Caster Semenya was similarly 'scouted' (also while playing soccer I believe) because in Africa it is common for scouts to go to rural villages specifically looking for DSD males with female birth certificates to groom for international athletics. There is a lot of money in it. Khelif now supports an entire family of over 10 people whereas before he had to collect scrap metal to catch the bus. This isn't about some passion, he was street scouted as a teenager and sent on daily hours-long round trips to the city alone by bus.
Anyway all of this is continuing to ignore that there were TWO male gold medalists in boxing at this year's olympics, and the other one doesn't have the excuse of being from a remote rural village in a poor conservative country. Both of these men 'present male' in normal life and both of them were aware they were male years in advance of the olympics, likely a decade at least. Why does everyone keep ignoring and skipping over Lin Yu-Ting? Because it's harder to make this argument if you can't pull the 'oh it's just a poor brown woman and everyone is racist against her and Africans are so bad at understanding how sex works and that female puberty involves menstruating and breasts, not growing to 6'2 and getting a beard, poor Africans.' What other explanation is there for people consistently ignoring Lin Yu-Ting in this argument?
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>>2240116>I am not denying his family thought he was female or raised him female until age 10, 11, 12 That's what I meant, I just realiazed it wasn't obvious. But there are girls who have their puberty later than average so I can assume they thought he was a girl for a bit longer than that. I knew a girl who had her periods for the first time at age 16. I was only talking about the parents, I'm sure Imane suspecting something regardless because it's his own body so he saw and felt the physical symptoms all the time, unlike the parents who can more easily pretend nothing's going on.
>Why does everyone keep ignoring and skipping over Lin Yu-Ting? There's no excuse, it's just that the spotlight was on Imane first when the Italian boxer gave up after Imane got too violent. So people not watching any of the matches during the olympics still heard about him at some point and Lin Yu Ting could "hide" behind that. I wonder if people will bring him up too later or forget about him entirely after only talking about Imane.
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>>2240138Males don't hit puberty past age 16 though and he is a male. He has a beard. Most young males need to start shaving around middle school age. He has a micropenis that he pees out of (how many girls pee out of a penis?) that likely started growing during puberty. He didn't have any breast development either. I see no reason for him to have been scouted at, judging by this article, around age 14 maybe, if he didn't have something 'exceptional' about his physique that a girl his age wouldn't have. And again, 'girls in the village weren't allowed to go out' but he was allowed to go out and play soccer with the boys prior to being scouted, meaning the parents likely knew at that point he wasn't a regular girl already. I mean sure you can have sympathy for people who realize their daughter is a son as a teenager, or the daughter that realizes that, to some degree, I think we can all agree that there is a lot to sympathize with in people with DSDs, but males with DSDs become unsympathetic once they know they have a DSD and use it to get a leg up over girls and women in female sports. Especially a sport like boxing that is literally about beating up girls/women. My sympathy is totally gone when a man who knows he's a man at that point is beating up women for money, attention, glory etc. even if he had a difficult and fraught childhood.
The worst part about this though is that even if you consider people like Khelif the
victims in this (I don't), they would never be put in this position if it wasn't for the sports regulations that specifically promote this type of scamming. Previously it was with DSD athletes, and now it is with male trans people too, and the sports bodies, coaches, scouts etc. all know they are enabling men to beat women at women's sports and they continue to run the sports this way anyway, taking opportunities away from actual girls and women. The IOC knew they had two male boxers entering women's boxing at the olympics in advance, and they publicly lied about it, created an international shitstorm and threw multiple female athletes under the bus, including that poor Italian woman who was dragged through the mud after kneeling down and crying in the boxing ring. They weren't just mentally and financially harming these female athletes either by lying and gaslighting them and the entire public, they were also putting them in physical danger being beaten up by men. Yu-Ting used illegal rabbit punch moves and the referee didn't even stop the match or penalize him for it - that move is illegal because it is dangerous and can cause brainstem/spinal cord damage and it's doubly dangerous when it's a man doing the move to a woman, but they let this man potentially kill a female athlete on the world stage and lied about it.
>>2240152Sure there's plenty of sources from way back, there is the reputed and well-known journalist Abrahamson (ghostwrote the Phelps autobiography and he is a professor at a journalism school) who saw one of the other sets of genetic testing and reported on it in 3wiresports, there are TWO members of Khelif's staff who both admitted he had male chromosomes and 'very high levels' of testosterone on the tests his own team commissioned in Paris, there is the head of the IBA and also the head of the WBO, a competing boxing organization who also saw the test, and several other people besides who confirmed this. Three separate genetic and medical tests were run on Khelif, two by internationally accredited labs reporting to the IBA, and one by the hospital in Paris commissioned by his own team and two of his own staffers both confirmed the results were chromosomally and hormonally abnormal. I can't really link it all here but it's all been linked in the Khelif thread, and there's a summary in the reddit thread another nonna linked above. For example, here's the interview with one of Khelif's team who was in charge of testing her:
https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/2024-olympics-imane-khelif-was-devastated-to-discover-out-of-the-blue-that-she-might-not-be-a-girl-14-08-2024-2567924_24.php No. 2240167
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>>2240152>I don't trust them as a websiteWhy?
The article was based on the revelations from Le Correspondant (what's with that annoying auto-translate feature?!):
https://lecorrespondant.net/imane-khelif-ni-ovaires-ni-uterus-mais-des-testicules/ No. 2240175
>>2240167Nonna people who don't want to believe something that society doesn't want them to believe will always claim your sources aren't good enough, they're 'conspiratard' sources or whatever and they'll use the fact that mainstream media (who are the ones promoting gender ideology in the first place) aren't reporting on it to prove it's not legit. Until people wake up and realize that the mainstream media will always legitimize gender ideology and its trappings/fallout (like the men in sports issue) they will keep insisting that radfem sources like Reduxx or independent journalists 'don't count' because there is no interest in these stories by mainstream media conglomerates.
The same thing happened when the Canadian kangaroo courts (human rights tribunals) put a media blackout on the Yaniv story and the only people reporting on it were random american bloggers who managed to slip through the cracks, it was all 'oh if this Yaniv story was true it would be all over the CBC and global news!' Of course it was true and the mainstream media isn't your friend on women's rights issues. They will always lie because they are the ones promoting these crimes against women in the first place.
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>>2240152>>2240163Just wanted to add one more source here, the head of the Olympic Committee himself confirmed back in August that Khelif is a DSD athlete implicitly when he issued this correction: (picrel).
Initially he said 'this is not a DSD case' and then he had to issue an official correction that he meant to say 'this is not a trans case,' meaning it is indeed a DSD case.
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>>2240175>Canadian kangaroo courts (human rights tribunals) put a media blackout on the Yaniv story and the only people reporting on it were random american bloggersYaniv has his own tag on Rebel News:
https://www.rebelnews.com/tags/jonathan_yanivI hope it makes him seethe.
No. 2240186
>>2240178I understand what you meant, but I would find the theory more credible if it was just a girl who didn't get her period/boobs by age 16 (like someone with CAIS). This disorder isn't CAIS though, he didn't just not get a period and boobs, he also would have been developing a beard, thick body hair, adult-like male height, and a micropenis. Combining that with the conservative provincial parents letting him out alone to play with the boys, I suspect they did know at some point in his teens that he had some kind of sex disorder, especially considering that the coaches likely told them something if they knew, which they almost certainly did. Unlike you I don't really blame the parents for the cousin marriage - as other people have pointed out cousin marriages are still relatively common in many parts of the world, and DSDs can happen without inbreeding as well.
The scouting story reminded me a lot of Semenya's who we now know was knowingly fleecing the world for decades, and after the Semenya case came to light it turned out there were numerous coaches deliberately looking for DSD males in Africa, India and some other areas in order to train them up for women's sports. Right before the ban on short and middle distance running the entire teams of several African countries were all DSD males leading up to the olympics, so this is not just some unintentional, accidental thing that just happens - all these men were from remote rural villages likely without genetic testing at birth who would skate by on the female passport/birth certificate rule. Some of the men who won gold, silver and bronze in the 800m in Rio have now fathered biological children, this wasn't a big shock to any of them and I doubt it was a shock to Khelif as an adult either.
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Which reminds me, trannies can threaten other people and nothing is done about it. Heads in the sand.
https://www.rebelnews.com/shock_video_help_protect_drea_from_that_monster_jonathan_yaniv No. 2240194
>>2240186I know cousin marriage is relatively widespread in North Africa as a whole but at some point these people need to stop hiding behind the tradition or islam excuses they always use, and again, my parents are North Africans which is why it's pissing me off. I even see people my age or younger than me arguing that not wearing the hijab in front of your male cousins in haram and insulting me and others when we say it's fucking weird and cousins are the same as siblings. And for some reason zoomers in the French diaspora are getting more extreme than Algerians or Moroccans in Algeria and Morocco, pretty much trying to be more Catholic than the pope. I'll blame Imane's parents unless we suddenly learn they went through a forced marriage. Not arranged marriage because they could have refused then.
And speaking of Caster Semenya I don't get why he still have his medals. His case was somewhat even more obvious than Imane's. I'm 30 now and I still remember my science teacher in high school saying nothing has been confirmed so we should just make up our own minds on that but he could be intersex and should go through genetic testings. It's been so long since then and everyone still argues that he's a woman, or think being intersex means being a hermaphrodite which isn't even possible with humans, and even maybe with mammals in general.
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>>2240191I've found that Bing Search is slightly more useful over other search engines. Google Search is utter trash these days.
No. 2240223
>>2239671>>2239680Same here. I’ve never ‘misgendered’ a butch or otherwise gnc woman in my entire life but when I call a male person male everyone freaks the fuck out and starts putting words in my mouth about how I “think all women must be dainty and small”. Excuse me, did you see me calling all the buff female athletes men, too? No? Just the ones who later turned out to have a dick and balls? What an odd coincidence!
What’s really pissing me off that some of my friends are still upset with me for being able to clock Imane as a man and are convinced it was somehow misogynistic of me. One of these same women once screamed at me for clocking Hari Nef as trans when she still thought he was a biological woman. Something about being “too critical” of women’s looks. Except I’ve never questioned the sex of anyone who turned out to be a real woman. So how on earth is that misogynistic?
No. 2240285
>>2239469>What sort of trans women should participate in documentaries? The kind who skinwalk their wives and female relatives instead of their childhood crushes? This lmao
Would they prefer a lurching 6'5" hon screaming "it's MA'AM!"? The heavy lifting shrek looker who compete against women in sports? The greasy autist with stringy unwashed hair who doesn't even wear female clothes? The one dressing up as literal toddlers for his baby fetish? The ones who wear their teenage daughters clothes and forces her to call him "mommy"? Or one who is so clearly a misguided gay man that even his fellow troons are openly homophobic to him?
I saw a youtube video in which a (leftist) guy seriously wanted a female perspective, so he brought in a troon as the expert on both gender and a "woman's" perspective. The troon wore cat ears the whole interview and ended up saying objectifying women is fine, because he does it too. It made this otherwise serious youtube channel look like a fucking joke. All troons look bad for their movement, they cannot help but ruin the image of troons simply be existing.
No. 2240295
>>2239671>>2239680>>2240223Nonas PLEASE show those friends the article that Imane is confirmed to be a male and ask if they're ready to apologize for the things they called you, I need to know how they react kek
God if my friends were that stupid as to call me racist or bigoted over calling a man a man I would be such a relentless bitch about it and flip it back on them. I'd call them racist misogynists for not believing me, and if they protest and say they're not I'd just refer back to all the things they called me. I'd have such a field day.
No. 2240319
>>2240228The interesting thing about this obvious troon post is that some on-the-fence people really do think like that. They're so brainwashed that they think if you called a boy a girl people wouldn't be able to tell. As a kid I rarely saw any of my friends or peers naked. There was never at any point any doubt to what sex any person was, ever. There was no way a boy could have put on a dress and told us he was a girl without us knowing he was really a boy. Iirc women can even tell the sex of babies with like 90% accuracy just from seeing their face alone, and babies themselves can tell the sex of people by like 3 months old.
I remember seeing an article about a little girl, maybe 5-6 years old, who became really mentally distressed because her teachers kept lying to her (and everyone else) by saying her classmate is a girl when he was really a boy. She just knew from interacting with the boy that he was one. And when she realized the adults meant to protect her were all lying about him, she couldn't take it and became mentally ill from it.
No. 2240375
>>2240123>>2240176Thanks nonnies. I'm ESL so your compliments make me feel better about my english skills.
>but I almost feel like at this point it's not even worth addressing the 'female AGP' lie It's not, true. The only reason I even wrote that out was because I was sorting out my thoughts on the topic, basically. I used to argue with TRAs about this years ago but it's definitely pointless, they'll never listen. It's nice seeing my thoughts appreciated here though instead of the responses I used to get about how I'm just an uneducated, stupid bigot.
No. 2241161
>>2239791Yes, the Reddit migration changed the culture of Tumblr quite a lot. Tumblr used to be a bunch of hardcore moralfagging TIFs who worshipped the abstract idea of a TIM despite never interacting with them. It was always obvious because their moral policing was so rigid that no incest loli guro loving TIM would've escaped without a callout post, which proved there were very few TIMs active on the platform. But when they showed up en masse, the few TIFs who actually attempted to treat TIMs with the same standards they treated other TIFs with were very quickly accused of transmisogyny and shouted down. I do believe that the TIFs who actually meant it when they said they have no tolerance for pervy pedo shit are peaking because TIMs now essentially just admit that fetishism is inherent to their identities. That is incredibly disillusioning to these TIFs who have never actually interacted with them, so they generally either stay insulated in their TIF friend groups or they quitely vanish, likely having peaked. However, much of the TIF userbase did a 180 (as they are so prone to doing, due to the lack of any ideological coherence or backbone) and have absorbed TIM perversion into their DIY MA in gender studies rhetoric. It is no longer
problematic to fetishize incest and child abuse, it is liberatory and actually the fault of cisheteropatriarchy for stigmatizing queer desire, and those TIMs who listen to sissy hypno porn are just, uh, drawn to fantasies that absolve them of responsibility for being who they truly are!
No. 2241541
>>2241522Hysterectomy isn't even the appropriate treatment for endo, and can sometimes make it worse (my postmenopausal aunt had this and it made her endo worse). That really sucks because it can worsen the hormonal regulation problems and cause additional health issues.
I also don't understand how women think that getting a hysterectomy of all things will make them feel 'less gendered.' It's not like your uterus is something that you constantly see or feel on a daily basis, and the lack of it will just cause very female-body-specific health problems that require female-body-specific treatments. I definitely would not 'celebrate' with her if I were you, I think it's bad to support and enable these people's delusions and bad decisions even if it's too late to convince her not to make the bad decision.
No. 2241579
>>2241050>Not all intersex conditions are so obvious>I know a girl who literally has no other telltale signs than that she's taller than an average woman and has a shrunken womb with no ovaries, literally can't tell at face value. Nta, but so what? She's still not "intersex" or "less female" than any other female, she has a birth defect that affects her reproductive organs. That's no different than having been born blind or with only one working lung. It's really not a complex issue at all.
>there are plenty of people even in modern western countries raised as women who found out they had a Y chromosome during puberty when they never got their period. Yeah there are plenty of females who found out they had a disability, or even gained a disability later in life. Having a defective Y chromosome and unactivated SRY gene is like jumping into an empty bathtub without turning the tap on - you're still dry. It's pretty much the same as carrying the genes for ANY disease/disorder like parkinsons, colorblindness, downs syndrome… but having a healthy gene to override it so you never actually develop the disorder. You can carry genes without them activating, that's not news nor is it actually that hard to understand.
Or if you're talking about disordered males, that's really not common at all and it's usually homophobia at play. I'm sure most of those parents ARE told it's a son with a rare condition, but they simply can't accept they have a son with a micropenis that looks too much like a vulva, because ew that's too gay!!! Having a failed son hurts them more than having a (worthless anyway) daughter. Even if they genuinely think it is a daughter at birth they'd know really quickly when he grows just a bit older, because you can tell literally everything else about him is male. Just like Imane (for example) is very obviously treated culturally as a male he is by all of his society, because everyone can tell he's male. And in fact, like with your friemd it's even impossible to tell he has a DSD by just looking at him clothed so he's just treated like any other man.
No. 2241603
>>2241541>Hysterectomy isn't even the appropriate treatment for endo, and can sometimes make it worse (my postmenopausal aunt had this and it made her endo worse).Yeah I'm pretty sure the endo part was a coverup reason anyway. She just wanted to be a more
valid non-woman trans person. She's also one of those "I never want kids!!!" women but like… girl you're in your 20s still. Maybe you never will have kids, but there's no harm in leaving the option open (while also keeping your health) just in case. I think at least 50% of women who end up wanting and having kids didn't ever want them at some point in their lives tbh.
>the lack of it will just cause very female-body-specific health problems that require female-body-specific treatments.This too is insane to me! No man has ever needed to recover from having his uterus removed. And I'm not going to celebrate. If she ever realizes her mistake and "detranses" I don't her to look back and remember me as someone who celebrated the biggest mistake of her life.
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I hate Trump, but I can see the "Trans genocide!" posts if he wins.
No. 2241652
>>2240017I've seen this very interesting "type" of faghag TIF that is constantly worried about how TIMs would feel or be affected by something. Caring about normal straight dudes or gay men is whatever to them, but any sort of news activates the part of their brain that exclusively goes "but what about trans wimmin?? they're so beautiful and stunning and perfect." I don't know if they're actually that obsessed with dudes in dresses or if they desperately just want to pass on the burden of being feminine to literally anybody else like the modern version of a woman that is just soo impressed that a man can do makeup better than her.
It's funny when it's the masc TIFs but it's twice as funny when it's the uguu femboy wannabe TIFs. Males literally don't fucking like them and cuss them out for being females regularly kek
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>>2241579Exactly anon. I think a lot of people are just confused/uninformed/misinformed about DSDs or 'intersex' conditions so they believe it is a lot more complex than it really is, not realizing that every DSD is still either a male or female condition, and there isn't some large range of female conditions where you have a Y chromosome, only one where you end up phenotypically female. There are a range of female DSDs with no Y chromosome, which are still females, and a range of male DSDs that have a Y chromosome, which are still males, and at the end of the day most intersex people themselves want to be treated like any other person with a health condition and not some schrodinger's hermaphrodite zoo creature that we pretend isn't a woman or a man, at least from every intersex activism group I've personally seen. But people who are not very educated about the biology of these conditions continue to act like it's some super mysterious and complicated thing and anyone could wake up one day realizing that they're a totally different sex than they thought they were, no not really. Even 5-ARD males who are sometimes believed to be females throughout early childhood and their families usually figure it out at puberty and adjust pretty quickly. It's really not like the trans issue at all, it's just co-opted by transactivists who want to confuse and obfuscate about sexual dimorphism. People who are educated about the biology of intersex disorders are not co-opting anything by talking about them dispassionately and acknowledging that males are males, even with a DSD.
Like you said when you look at these DSD males who cheat and win in women's sports (which has been going on for decades, a century at least and we used to have sex testing in athletics for this reason) they live their normal lives as socially normal males. Everyone always wants to pull this 'oh in these conservative African countries it would be impossible for this person to live as a male after having an F on their birth certificate!' but always seem to ignore that these are supposedly "lesbian" moids married or at least cohabitating publicly with 'girlfriends'/wives in countries where you could be imprisoned for being gay. Why is that? Because no one in those countries actually thinks they're female, they don't present as female, they don't tell people they're women in their daily lives. People just play along on the international stage so they can win medals for their country. When you see these moids doing interviews in their home countries or photos from their social media they're wearing stereotypically male clothes and posing with their wives which would get them harassed and possibly arrested if they were actual females. Notably Imane Khelif has done a bunch of Vogue covers and photoshoots since the controversy happened, some of which have him dressing feminine, but (picrel) some don't even bother like this shoot from Vogue Arabia.
In the rare cases you do see DSD males' families trying to raise them socially female like you said it's some weird 'oh my micropenis son is a broken male and any broken male is basically socially female' the same way they trans homosexual males in Iran and let them marry other men. They just think playing pretend is more convenient than the shame of a weird effeminate son but most of these moids aren't even remotely effeminate.
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>>2241694Okay arguably there are two but they both have similar presentation externally and scientists/doctors often have a hard time distinguishing between them.
>People with Swyer syndrome have female external genitalia and some female internal reproductive structures. These individuals usually have a uterus and fallopian tubes, but their gonads (ovaries or testes) are not functional. Instead, the gonads are small and underdeveloped and contain little gonadal tissue. These structures are called streak gonads. The streak gonadal tissue is at risk of developing cancer that is often hard-to-detect, so it is usually removed surgically. Swyer syndrome is also called 46,XY complete gonadal dysgenesis; the medical term “dysgenesis” means "abnormal development.">Because they appear female on the outside, babies with Swyer syndrome are usually raised as girls and develop a female gender identity, which is a person's sense of their gender (girl, boy, a combination, or neither). Swyer syndrome may be identified before birth, at birth, or later when a child does not go through puberty as usual. Because they do not have functional ovaries that produce hormones, affected individuals often begin hormone replacement therapy during early adolescence to start puberty, causing the breasts and uterus to grow, and eventually leading to menstruation. Swyer is X,Y gonadal dysgenesis that can sometimes result in phenotypically female even internal reproductive structures although XY individuals with Swyer are usually very tall and kind of weird looking since they do respond to testosterone to some degree. CAIS is the one where people look most phenotypically female externally. They are infertile, usually don't have internal female reproductive structures/can't menstruate but they will develop an externally female phenotype. Pretty much everyone with CAIS ends up identifying as a woman and many get estrogen therapy to physically feminize further since it is impossible for them to develop any male secondary sex characteristics.
Other than these two very phenotypically similar XY phenotypes all other female DSDs are in people with no Y chromosome who are inarguably women.
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>>2241694Very simplified, Y activates = turns male. However if you have a Y and it doesn't activate, it then keeps defaulting to trying it make the fetus female.
So then if you have a failed Y that half-activates you get a male with a disorder, he doesn't develop properly but is otherwise still male. Females cannot get this, as they would just develop into a normal female default.
What most people fail to mention that in 99.9% of cases when something weird happens with chromosomes like this… it just fails. The fetus doesn't develop, it just results in death - or rather, it never results in life starting to begin with. It's why the very few DSDs that do exist are SO super specific that people were easily able to figure out exactly what Imane had without any test even being done.
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>>2241981Can I bet she defends that sad excuse of moid she has as partner? "Oh she called me a fat bitch, but she probably is moody" or "She hits on other women because she told me she wanted to be on polygamy!".
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>>2242008I understand your friend is in an
abusive relationship, but I swear the delulu in her mind is something no one is going to take seriously because "trans women are innocent women, they cannot do harm" to her, so if she try to get off the relationship, she'll be called "transphobic".
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>>2241522I’m sorry, anon. I have a relative who had a hysterectomy because she “wasn’t going to use it anyway” and disliked having periods, even though she was completely healthy and her periods weren’t so bad that she couldn’t spend whole days walking around a theme park without issue. She’s a lesbian who identifies as “cis” but I’m pretty sure she pulled some gender bullshit to get approved for the surgery. I’ve heard doctors are very reluctant to give hysterectomies to younger women but she got hers within months of bringing it up with her GP, and she’s very cagey about the reason. It just “didn't fit into her life”, apparently.
It’s so irresponsible because 1) there was nothing wrong with her uterus to warrant major surgery, 2) dementia already runs in her side of the family and 3) she’s morbidly obese which makes anaesthesia and surgery far more dangerous and also made the recovery process more difficult. Her wife had to play nursemaid throughout the whole thing and will probably become her full time carer if she does develop severe complications. For no fucking reason! It’s so selfish, especially because her family was already going through it with a sick and dying relative and then she came in expecting to be thrown a “uterus deletus” party. I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t come out as some flavour of genderspecial yet but it’s probably only a matter of time.
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>>2243939sageblog but I had tons of doctor telling me, an old hag, that I would change my mind with the hysterectomy or tubal ligature. I do understand the worry in younger women, but I'll be dealing with pre-menopause shit (runs in family), how doctors will expect to me to have a kid? Claiming is for "trans issues" sounds like a good option, but then I should change my name, cut my tits off and all to be taken seriously.
And since the elections are over, I have seen tons of "Trans rights are human rights" kind of posts. Please make it stop, Trump is a disgusting moid but he's not going to open a new Auschwitz-Birkenau in four years only. He couldn't before, he cannot do it again.
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>>2244709Maybe not about the
>changing your mind to have childrenbit to be more
>you may regret willingly getting cut open to remove a part of you that keeps your body functioningbecause when you age and deteriorate the damaged parts of your body such as surgery scars are the first to break down and rot
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>>2245053>>2245061It's because they never watched the anime to begin with, they just know it from other troon-centric posts trying to paint her as tif representation. If they had actually watched it they would realize it wasn't the point of her character nor the message of the show…but that would perhaps be giving them too much credit. Thinking about it though, they are also VERY quiet about the troon dad in Carole & Tuesday.
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>>2245152Probably, I've rarely seen them actually discuss the show outside of the troon thing. I feel like another reason might be because most people who care about Ouran are women so if they want "representation" they'll latch onto the female lead character and pretend she's a TIF or non binary or whatever just like they are. Few males watch the show and her dad isn't portrayed as attractive and cool or a main character, so they won't latch onto him as much despite him being a crossdresser. Never watched Carole & Tuesday but that doesn't surprise me too.
>>2245159I didn't forget, but it's still completely retarded. They took a female character saying she doesn't care about gender roles and being perceived as a woman or a male in the context of a story where she's forced to crossdress for a debt and often
has to pretend to be a male, as some epic representation. Really goes to show how their media literacy is, if they actually watched it that is. She's pretty obviously just supposed to be a normal girl who simply doesn't care about gender roles, but to gendies not caring automatically makes you non binary or some other retarded shit.
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He should have his own thread. He's a certified lolcow now.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c4gp8evl009ohttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/06/olympic-boxer-imane-khelif-takes-legal-action-over-male-chromosomes-claims>A report last week in French magazine Le Correspondant claimed to have seen a leaked medical report about the Algerian. No. 2246114
>>2240295I’m the third anon quoted and most people I argued with refuse to apologise or admit I was right. They acknowledge that I
technically turned out to be correct but treat it like it was just a lucky guess and I could just as easily have been wrong, like being able to distinguish someone’s sex is a coin toss or something.
It kind of feels like being the only person who’s able to distinguish colours in a group of colourblind people. Now I finally understand where the TRA argument of “you can’t even tell!” comes from. I might be able to tell, but apparently a lot of people genuinely can’t. Bizarre.
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Disturbed Transgender Pedophile Convicted of Making Pornography Involving INFANTS Released On Parole
https://reduxx.info/exclusive-disturbed-transgender-pedophile-convicted-of-making-pornography-involving-infants-released-on-parole/>A Canadian trans-identified male sex offender who was twice convicted on charges related to child sex abuse material, one of which involved accessing pornography of infants in diapers, has quietly been granted a statutory release into the community. The Parole Board of Canada made the decision regarding Laverne Travis Waskahat, 48, on October 23, and in an unusual move, a police warning has not yet been issued to alert the public of the predator’s presence.>Waskahat, who claims to be transgender and also uses the name ‘Lauren,’ has an extensive history of possessing, making and publishing child pornography involving male and female infants under three years old. Waskahat had also previously committed sexual offenses against children in his care and was known to take voyeuristic photos of infants in public, primarily in bathrooms at malls and grocery stores around Edmonton, Alberta.>According to the most recent Psychological Report on file, dated September 27, 2023, Waskahat has demonstrated “deviant sexual interests including diaperism, infantilism, sexual sadism, and pedophilia,” and his likelihood of re-offending was placed in the “well-above” risk category. The assessment concluded that the risk Waskahat poses to the community “would not be manageable in the foreseeable future.”>Despite concern over his recidivism, the Parole Board released Waskahat to a community-based residential facility at the end of October. He is currently subject to curfew from 8PM to 7AM, after which time he is permitted to leave the residential facility and mingle with the public. No. 2248256
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>>2248190Nah, the transgender agenda is bankrolled by the world's richest people. They will start making noises the moment Trump introduces anti-tranny policies.
https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/544475/how-a-handful-of-billionaires-created-the-transgender-movement No. 2248266
>>2247921>Crippled by your own obsession unironically.kek i'm just esl like
>>2247921 and I've only ever heard "it" about dogs so it sounded freaky to me the way he put emphasis on "their". Honestly half of it was from the guy giving weird furry vibes too (turns out he really is a furry)
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>stand tall
you sure are kek. i'm not happy about trump winning either but the silver lining is all the tranny copium it generated. republicans must be shaking in their boots at the mere sight of this anime troon doodle
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>>2249274my country has had literal dictatorships. its just one fucking president
albeit a retarded one troons are such whiny fags
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>>2249274Women dying of sepsis? Mass deportations? Retarded tariffs wrecking the economy? Whatever.
Taxpayers no longer covering cosmetic surgery for children and prisoners? Now that's a real issue.
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Trannies are shoehorning themselves into the 4B movement ONE DAY after the first spike in searches for it in the United States because of the election results. I’m starting to understand why some scrotes say total tranny death is the only solution, there is no sacred anything away from these degenerates and their cum coated, greasy hands.
They’re treating this shit as if it’s some sort of girls club for fun and not a strategy women in the US have to take due to reproductive right restrictions. I swear trannies are even worse than your average scrote, a sample representative of the most bottom of the barrel perverted useless men you will ever find among the male pool, the very embodiment of why 4B exists. I want to alog so bad it’s unreal.
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>>2249591If I hadn’t peaked ages ago, this insistence on centring themselves in movements that address women’s suffering would have done it. First they claimed to be equally affected by the abortion ban (literally how?) and now this.
Last year there was a march in my city against domestic violence/VAWG to protest the rising number of femicides, organised by the families of three of the most recent
victims. Guess who put themselves front and centre, covering women’s signs with their ugly flag and dominating every single press photo and article covering the event? One journalist went digging and found that zero trans identified people had been murdered in our whole province’s recorded history. ZERO. But still, trans most affected. It would be comical if it weren’t so disgusting.
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https://x.com/sapparax/status/1854566263617450016?t=_tKKHqiou6bkTcN-tCEyMg&s=35I love how the new presidency made them spiral down about their existence and now they agree with terfs lmao
They're getting so close!
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A thin silver lining of the catastrophic election we (in the United States) just had. Since Democrats lost nearly everywhere, it seems there's been some inner-party murmurings about dropping the trans politics since they're so uniformly unpopular. Democrats want votes above all of course, and this stuff is turning off some pretty significant voter demographics. Picrel is from the NYT just to prove I'm not bullshitting. I noticed some similar sentiments from the WaPo opinion pieces that were trying to pinpoint what exactly went wrong.
It's finally happening.
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>>2250345https://x.com/trutranshsts/status/1854575552927044058This account tried to and well of course tifs cannot compute kek
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>>2250342>Picrel is from the NYT just to prove I'm not bullshittingCan you link the article?
>>2250351Dodged the bullet there.
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>>2250361Sure thing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/nyregion/democrats-house-ny.htmlThough I will warn you that the article is not primarily about trans rights; that was just a small part of it that stood out to me. Some Anons have predicted here before that Democrats will drop the trans issue the moment it stops being politically profitable, and if they're correct, it looks like this could be that moment.
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Very sane reaction to the election results
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>>2250421As an euro: are things really that bad for trannies in the usa? I mean it cannot be worse than here where you have to do at least 2 years of therapy plus getting a lawyer to formalize the sex change and paying hormones by yourself (unless you're a piece of shit who bribes endocrynologists into getting a prescription - they usually take 300 to 500 euro per prescprition on first appointment) and euro tims and tifs are doing just fine, they don't even kill themselves lol, what are you usa about? Unless they go around and deport and gas troons, for an outside view, it looks like it's a troon paradise in there.
Clinics are closing here in eu (first tavistock, now a clinic in italy in florence is under trial) for sterilizing and mutilating children and I didn't see a whisper of a riot.
Are you on the other side of the world that dramatic? It's a cultural thing? It's a troon thing living in this crippling paranoia? I'm genuinely confused.
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>>2250473Thank for the clarification, as I said, maybe I'm too much into my countries mentality which yeah no shit son, I literally live here and I don't plan to leave, but here troon laws are much stricter and regulated so everything seems like an exageration for me. I know Trump is a piece of shit but again, Europe isn't a paradise and corruption is basically everywhere and it really does suck for women now over there but this is not the right thread but I can see that here, in the other half of the world, people are looking at the USA like "are they for real?"
To me any democrat campaign looks like "well, at least we're not trump !!" were republicans actually talk about what they're gonna do in the office.
I get that for some chronically online people not getting things their way it's a life or death situation but I can't wrap my mind about how stuff is being depicted so tragically. We have a right leaning lead party here in my country too and troon laws weren't touched, gays can still get married and yeah sure some americanized tips online were mad but in actual reality, their rights weren't touched at all. They didn't get their rights taken away at all so I guess america would be the same, what are they crying about? Is it anything worth killing yourself over? I saw a suicide counter on twitter the other day, what the actual fuck, are people really killing themselves over muh troon rights that are not being touched anyway? Women are getting their rights to health and spaces taken away and they're doing riots or make communities to fight against it, are troons that fragile?
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>>2250481NAYRT but never believe anything that comes from a troon. A suicide counter is exactly the sort of deranged narc ArE You hAPpy NoW???? bullshit a troon would pull for attention. I'm sure that a few troons did kill themselves because Trump came into office, but the number of election-specific suicides is a drop in the ocean. For every hundred trannies screaming and threatening roping, maybe one actually does it, if that. They're narcs whose only problems in life are self inflicted- suicide is their way of demanding asspats and attention.
>>2249478Is this a rape fetish thing? Like they get off on nuns being raped? They'll drop it when they see that nobody except closeted chasers and fellow troons wants to fuck them in the first place.
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I apologize for the newfaggotry as I’m a longtime lurker. Yesterday, I went to my surgical abortion appointment. I have had an abortion before so I know what to expect. Now my first time was at a different clinic, everything went quite smoothly and the team there was very supportive. I decided to go to a different clinic this time, one of the top rated and reputable clinics in my city. I have no idea why, but I felt inclined to check out their social media page on Instagram before my procedure just to get a sense of the clinic. To my surprise there were posts of some sort of fundraising event with drag queens there. From the post it appears that they hosted the event, I would post it here but I don’t really want to expose my location. Anyway, that kind of caught me off guard as I didn’t register that they were drag queens at first and thought they were AGPs. I was honestly weirded out by this and yes, it was just a fundraising event, doesn’t really have anything to do with the actual clinic itself. So I’m like whatever. The day finally comes, I go to the clinic. Where I’m from, you must see an in-clinic counsellor before they proceed with anything, and that goes for any clinic. Last time I had a nice young lady as my counsellor at the other clinic. This time, my counsellor was a TiM. Now I really wasn’t expected any trans identified people to work there as it should be a matter of, I don’t know, comfortability I guess? Like zoomers say, “why would a man be there?” Anyways, this person was clockable due to their voice. Honestly looks-wise they could easily pass but the voice gave it away. I was wondering why there was what sounded like a male voice in the clinic when I was in the waiting room. Well it was because there was a troon working there as a counsellor. Now keep in mind that the medical side of the clinic was separated from the counselling side of the clinic. I doubt they would actually let a troon work in the medical side of the clinic but it kept me on my toes to see if I would get an actual lady doctor. Anyways the actual counselling appointment kind of went well actually. Obviously the counsellor was autistic and so am I so we kind of actually got along well. He didn’t come off as creepy or AGP but I feel like you have to be cautious when it’s a TiM because you never know. Anyways, point is, really threw me off that there was a TiM working in an abortion clinic. I feel like an asshole for feeling like this but I just don’t feel like it’s right to have a TiM working in what supposedly is a safe space for women. Like exclusively women. If you’re curious, the actual procedure went well and I’m like 99% sure that it was just women who worked on me. Couldn’t be 100% sure because some of them were wearing masks. But this one nice lady held my hand the whole time and we talked about politics. Picrel is a post that I screenshotted from their Instagram page.
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>>2250639Thanks so much nona. <333
Right?? Like there’s no way they could understand or personally relate to any of the women there. Makes no friggin sense and just seems like they wanted a DEI hire at the expense of women’s comfortability
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>>2250605Because when you have been in there you know that everyone knows who the men and the women are, even the trannies. It’s why the tiffanies bitch about transandrophobia and the timmies ask “b-but Can you include transwimmin?” If they really saw themselves as women, they would understand 4B as including them by default— those “can we join” posts are an assertion that they KNOW they are excluded, and they’re gonna include themselves by force anyways. In the same manner, the tiffies know that it being a radical feminist thing it includes them by default and they will solve the cognitive dissonance some other way, as it does in fact benefit them in the same way it benefits any other woman to avoid sex and relationships with men when there’s no reproductive care and moids your age are substantially pornrotten.
Of course, they also want to be in there because they need to be able to control and monitor the language used around these things, because their entire sense of self and stability is reliant on every place ever keeping up with their delusion.
I hope, perhaps in futility, that tiffies being 4B adjacent will peak and desist, but I know a chunk of them are genuinely too retarded and idolise males and “boys” (that soft version of them in their head constructed by yaoi and cartoons) too much to ever do it. But some is more than zero I guess.
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>>2250618AGPs like
abusive men in general will know when they can be mask off and when to be polite. larping as a counsellor for women needing medical care related to female-specific conditions alone will have fetishistic appeal of being seen as a woman. if you read about AGPs over time it can seem to "mellow out" but really it means they're fueling their fetishes all the time so they can't be acutely horny though it is still disgusting.
>Obviously the counsellor was autistic and so am I so we kind of actually got along well. He didn’t come off as creepy or AGP but I feel like you have to be cautious when it’s a TiM because you never know.the man could also be a HSTS/gay man so still weird and shouldn't be there but not as perverted (though most TIMs in the west are AGP). the autism does make it sound like he's an AGP though.
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I thought trannies just 'wanted to be themselves' yet they need to watch and mimic women as if they were fucking aliens learning human behaviour. How is that being yourself?
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>>2251086god give me strength not to a-log
so is "being a woman" innate or not?? Their logic is so flippant.
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the infighting is so funny to me i hope they all explode
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>>2249478this is me tinfoiling but i think the trannies are trying to hop on board because they think they can then have totes "lesbian" sex with the women in it. doesn't help that some women are joking about how moids will never be able to touch bisexual coochie ever again and that now only lesbians can sleep with said bi women; i'm guessing the trannies caught wind of it and are once again trying to force their way into a space where women can be comfortable with one another in private.
here's me hoping that the trump laws will turn the 41% statistic into 100% with a quickness
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>>2252078Men used to have to do almost nothing to land a wife and a semblance of success (okay job, one car, okay place to live). You could be the most antisocial inept criminal moid and end up with a woman attached to you just because the standards were so low and women relied on men for sustenance. The odd pornography addict/fetishist/creep only had one woman to wrestle with, his wife. See how older AGPs would form these 'transvestite societies' to groom their wives into tolerating it, it wasn't a nationwide coordinated effort like it is now. This reality is disappearing before their eyes and they're not coping well. On the other hand, they have access to unprecedented levels of coom in the form of online porn and semi-anonymous sexual contact in the form of hookup culture. This mirage, coupled with women's growing reluctance to play the game (because
now they can see it for what it is) makes for an explosive mix. Men simply aren't in a position where they can offset their carelessness/behavioral issues/sexual degeneracy with material support for a family. Something about this situaation makes them throw childish fits, from Tate followers to petulant AGPs. It will get worse before it gets better.
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>>2251566It's very telling that they think a man opening doors for women is the same as keeping men out of women's spaces.
>>2251866What scrotes, especially terminally online ones, can't understand, is that real life doesn't function like Reddit. Moidlets can harass women all they like, that's not going to win them a girlfriend. They can seethe about eggs, that's not going to win them a girlfriend. They can lie on the floor and scream, they'll still be single. 'Owning' feminists won't make us sob quietly as we marry ourselves off to them in defeat. Calling us cat ladies won't make us want them instead. It's a shock to the system of the average scrote, who's been coddled by Mummy and the internet his whole life.
They're desperate for female attention. They use artificial wombs, robot and AI girlfriends, and hookers to 'own' women, but they just don't get that we don't want them at all. Nobody's fighting over them, women aren't jealous of them, there's only so many BPD chans with rock bottom self esteem and/or brain damage to go round. Because the moids aren't getting what they want, they're chimping out harder and harder, and women avoid them more and more.
That's also why they're trooning out so much. Men think they make better women than real women, so if they waggle their bolt ons in our faces, we'll get jealous and fuck them. Their porn addictions have wiped out any brain cells they used to have.
But let's look on the bright side. The male suicide rate is climbing higher and higher, and the 4b movement is taking off. AI girlfriends are already becoming a thing. We, as a society, have already lost most of our men before during WW1 and WW2, and it only led to progress. Times are tough right now, but things will get better.
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>>2250345surprisingly she did and tims are not happy
No. 2252238
>>2252208"I did not experience male socialization because x y z reasons"
This is so retarded. Every male experienced male socialization, including the ones that didn't fit into male stereotypes. They experienced not fitting into what was expected of them as males during the process of being socialized. A woman wouldn't be bullied for being "fruity" in the same way a guy would, since female socialization encourages you to do things like indulge in femininity, if anything you would be bullied for "acting like a guy" instead. If they didn't go through male socialization they wouldn't even have had any reason to be ostracized in the first place, yet they fail to see this simple contradiction and assume simply not fitting into the stereotypical male gender role= not their responsibility since they weren't "socialized as male". It's just a way to avoid responsibility in the end and delude themselves into believing they had anything but a male experience despite it being glaringly obvious that they did and that it's partially why they want to escape being a male.
Funny how none of them would be throwing this tantrum if she hadn't said it also applies to them, too. They can't keep their own logic consistent and insist on rules for thee but not for me type of mentalities, then wonder why women will peak just from observing and interacting with them regularly.
The body/muscles thing is just delusional as well, imagine getting this
triggered by as the poster says, literal facts. Apparently biological realities are disgusting if they conflict with your deluded idea that you are somehow weaker than a woman when you went through full male puberty and are a whole ass man.
No. 2252274
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No. 2252280
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>>2252274Samefag but we can’t 100% blame this all on men because this user is a woman and saying that kind of stuff